POSTGAME NOTES: Another crippling blow, another walk-off win, another test of will ahead

So is this the price the Giants have to pay for winning their first World Series in more than 50 years? A raging river of horrifying injuries that ultimately prevents them from having a realistic chance of defending their title? It may be too early to go there yet, particularly after another moment of final at-bat euphoria, but all that needs to be said is this: That’s easily the saddest clubhouse I’ve ever been in following a walk-off win, and particularly by a team that was already in first place.

First Buster Posey, now this. Freddy Sanchez diving to the turf and snaring a ground ball, but also popping his right throwing shoulder out of its socket in the process. Bruce Bochy’s bloodhound face said it all afterward. This isn’t (fill in angry adjective) fair.

This Giants team, for all its offensive deficiciences, is playing its heart out but keeps taking Foreman-like roundhouses to the temple. At this point, it’s not known how severely Sanchez is hurt, but if it’s truly a shoulder dislocation as opposed to a separation, hold your breath. In most cases, a dislocation is accompanied by a ligament tear that requires surgery. And if that’s the case, Sanchez will join Posey on the out-for-the-season list. An MRI will be performed Saturday, but even in a best-case scenario — no serious structural damage — it’s probably a month or two or three, because a dislocated shoulder not only takes time to heal but stabilize to prevent recurrence. Since it’s Freddy’s throwing shoulder, it’s only natural to fear the worst.

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Of course, with his injury history, you cringe every time you see Sanchez dive for a ball. He already has a tempermental, surgically repaired left shoulder. He has knee issues. But at the same time, he can’t play any other way or he’s not Freddy Sanchez. To my mind, and probably Bochy’s, he was likely headed to the All-Star Game next month. Now that’s gone, too. He’s been the Giants’ most consistent player on the field and at the plate, and while they may be able to cover his loss a little easier than Posey’s, it’s still a devastating blow.

But beyond what it will mean for the team, the mood afterward was one of sadness for the man. This guy has overcome so much to become one of the best second basemen in baseball. Born with a severely pigeon-toed left foot and a club foot on his right, he beat the odds just to play baseball at any level. I actually interviewed him on Thursday, talking about how he wound up at Dallas Baptist — which plays Cal tonight in an NCAA super regional at Santa Clara — back in 1999. Simple, he said. After two years at Glendale Community College, nobody wanted him. He had one offer to move on — Chico State. His coach at Glendale knew the coach at Dallas Baptist, at the time a little NAIA school in the foothills outside of Dallas. When he got an invite to come, Sanchez didn’t even visit the school first. He went there sight unseen, then promptly helped the team get to the NAIA World Series.

From there, he actually started to get some notice and finally got drafted. But he still wasn’t highly regarded. But through his determination and hard work, he not only made himself a major-leaguer but a batting champion, and ultimately, a key figure on a World Series champion.

Most of the Giants know his history, know his incredible heart, and thus, took this really hard for Sanchez. Like I said earlier, it’s not fair. That’s all you can say, unless you add the adjectives.

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The Giants did get the win. Nate Schierholtz again. Two outs, off the bench with a pinch-hit single that scored Andres Torres with the 3-2 game-winner. It cast a little light on the pall, and allowed the Giants to put on a brave front afterward in the wake of another major physical loss. They still think they can overcome, and maybe they can. They play in a weak division. Their pitchers, save Barry Zito who has been more than compensated for with Ryan Vogelsong, are still all healthy. They’ll be getting Pablo Sandoval back early next week, along with Mike Fontenot. And for all the griping about the hitting, they still have a lot of guys who’ve shown themselves capable of being heroes in tight situations. MiSFits, if you will, to steal a little Baggs brilliance.

Suddenly, the Giants’ hottest bat is the guy 98 percent of Giants fans wanted to put on a slow boat to China a week ago, Miguel Tejada. He has four doubles in two games, and he ripped another ball to the warning track Friday night that was hauled in for an out. He drew a walk, then was intentionally walked in front of Schierholtz’s winning hit. He made another sharp play at third. It may be too early to say whether this is the start of a resurgent summer for Tejada, but he has certainly elevated his standing multi-fold with his career on the line.

With Sanchez gone, it’s uncertain how Bochy will play it, but it wouldn’t be surprising to see Tejada at second base once Sandoval is back at third. Sure, Manny Burriss looks like the logical successor, but he simply hasn’t been through it. Miggy has, even though second base may be a bit foreign to him. He’s a fighter, a guy who bleeds to succeed, and without question, he may have looked in the mirror at some point this past week and realized the obvious: He was on the end of the plank, ready to be pushed off if he didn’t get it in gear. Remain dubious if you will, but he has responded, at least in the short term. Now with Sanchez out, nobody in their right baseball mind should want to see Tejada cut loose.

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The Giants have overcome the loss of Posey better than most observers could have expected. They’re 9-7 since he went down. They’ve been in every game save a 6-0 loss at Milwaukee right after the injury. What’s more, they have a winning record even though Sandoval has been out for than a month. Early on, they won when Torres and Cody Ross were both out, not to mention Brian Wilson at least for the first week. Oh yeah, Mark DeRosa, too, not to mention Brandon Belt and Darren Ford. I keep thinking of Robert De Niro as Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull, after taking a savage beating from Sugar Ray Robinson, walking up with a smile on his face and saying, “You didn’t put me down, Ray. You couldn’t put me down.”

The pragmatist says it can’t last. This is the one that sends them to the canvas. They’ve simply taken too many mortal blows to key players, and Sanchez just might be the crushing blow to the chin. But the same collective will that got the Giants to the playoffs last year and then to a World Series they won going away is still in place. Hence, you can’t count them out just yet, particularly with the pitching, pitching, pitching — not only the starting staff, but the consistently lockdown bullpen that faced the mininum over the final three innings Friday night. The Giants also have another huge weapon — all those sellout crowds exhorting them on and keeping them from spinning out of control. If there’s a framework for the seemingly impossible, they at least may have some semblance of it.

Giants fans may not see another World Series run, but they are going to see drama. They’ve already seemingly seen a season’s worth in two months and change. Nine walk-off wins? That’s ludicrious. Eighteen one-run wins out of the 36 total? Almost as crazy.

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It could get more ludicrous, even crazier. If they collapse as a result of all of these injuries, so be it. But I would advise strapping in for a wild summer. And while you’re at it, wish the best for Freddy Sanchez.

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i saw vsong’s face and demeanor right after the injury,he looked shell shocked…i was amazed that he kept it together

its amazing that the team kept fighting

bochy looked a total mess at the presser…im sure sabean is pulling his hair out

the giants and giant fans have to be honest with themselves

they may stay in the hunt all year…but barring a miracle, the chase for a repeat…is pretty much done

and the stretch of not getting a single position player on the as team…will continue

what is really sad, is to see what freddie could do when healthy…and how happy he and his family seemed to be a part of the giants family

well…on a happy note….crawford’s little sis graduated from ucla today

i hear she plays a mean if…can the giants pick her up as an undrafted fa?

uncle joe mccarthy

radicalpro

they have now lost their 3 best hitters

what do you want from this team?????

do people pay any attention to what goes on the field?

Aaron

I think Bip was saying it might be 3-4 weeks after the game and that just seemed crazy to me. Even in the best case scenario it’s going to take 2-3 weeks to let the inflammation dissipate and then I would think another 2-3 weeks of rehab work before Freddy can start throwing a baseball let alone playing in a game. And that’s assuming he has no setbacks along the way. Like you said Baggs, worst case scenario there’s major structural damage and he’s done for the year, and possibly for good given that this is his throwing shoulder.

It’s clear now that the Giants won’t be as good as we thought they’d be back in February and March but I wouldn’t rule out another run at a ring if they can survive the season and punch their ticket to the dance. Given the division they play in that is certainly possible because every team is flawed and it’s hard to imagine anyone running away with this thing. Once they get to expand the rosters I think this is a team that becomes a lot more dangerous and is capable of another run, similar to last year. They will have a lot of young guys who can fall back on legitimate MLB experience gained from all the time some of the veterans have spent on the DL and could become real assets, giving Bochy a plethora of lineup options and late game matchups he can go to. If this stretch doesn’t kill them, it could very well make them a whole lot stronger.

Chris Boyd

Get well soon Freddy…..

Now I wonder how fast the Reyes rumors will heat up again despite Crawford. Freddy professional approach was really holding up the three hole….. You hafta trade Sanchez for a bat now…..

Baggs4prez

Aaron,

Carl Steward wrote this article.

uncle joe mccarthy

Chris Boyd

the last time sabean made a panic trade…everything went to hell

and the mets have been pretty clear….they would trade reyes as a salary dump

which means they would only want wheeler, madbum, belt, brown…in some sort of combo

aint gonna happen

Aaron

I should have known that. Sorry Carl. It’s 5am so, you know, not totally aware of my surroundings and all that.

Not to worry. If I’m mistaken for Baggs, that’s a good thing in my book. –Carl

wineguy

Pablo’s back soon, as is Fontenot, Ford, and Belt. Freddy will be back, trades will be made, the season will evolve into it’s own majestic, historic tale. Every winter I survive on the crumbs of hot-stove and winter league, now is sweet glorious torture abundance. Our upside is huge! Dbacks? Playing above their heads, Rockies & Dodgers are dangerous hitters yet flawed with pitching, Padres as expected. Giants with all the blows we’ve taken still coming back for more. I still believe, and you should too.

Mavo

As horrible as the Freddy injury is.. and I cringed when I saw how they were holding his arm coming off the field… this team is NOT done!! I keep harping on this on this blog but I’ll say it once again: PITCHING WILL GET US TO THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN!! From their it’s just a crap shoot as to which team gets on a roll at the right time! The injury to Zito proved to be a positive the way Vogelsong has pitched.. it actually IMPROVED our pitching! So as long as the pitching staff is healthy and intact I am not conceding ANYTHING as far as making the playoffs is concerned!! PITCHING IS AT LEAST 80% OF BASEBALL!! And all anyone has to do is look at this year’s team to see that.. they have the worst scoring offense in baseball and still are in first place… PITCHING PEOPLE! And our pitching staff is still in good shape!

Get well FAST Freddy!!

slash78

Frddy was playing well, but his offense and defense are hardly irreplaceable. 4 double in two games? So what! Huff had 4 homers in 2 games and has since reverted to what has been form for this season. Freddy is gone for the season so the giants basically have nothing to lose. Cut tejada and rowand, then find huff a spot on the bench next to burrell. Have a look at pill at 1b and 2b. Bring belt off the dl at first opportunity and play him every day. Maybe take some looks at hector sanchez, gary brown, thomas neal and the like.

If we can’t make a ws run then the giants might as well start working on next season and the seasons after that. Winn didn’t get the giants to the ws. Nor did bengie. Or dave roberts. Nor did mark derosa. Nor ray durham. Renteria played in only 72 games in 2010, and while he came up big in the ws, he can’t claim credit for carrying that far. Play the kids because the vets won’t get us there and no one will help the giants repeat. And for those who think sabean “pushed all the right buttons” you forget jose guillen.

So let us not waste another PA much less the rest of the season on players who not only won’t get us there this season, but won’t even be around next season or the one after that.

Mavo

I told people on here to not jump to conclusions about Miggy based on six weeks or two months of baseball!! He is playing the ***T out of 3rd base lately and is starting to drive the ball!! I get the feeling he is NOT done yet and may have a good summer ahead of him.

Same with Huff.. people need to realize it is a six month season .. NOT six weeks!!

Mavo

@slash78 .. It’s fans like you who need to take a deep breath and look at the STANDINGS!! In all your huffing and puffing on your posting you said not one word about the Giants outstanding pitching staff!! Good God.. we are 2 games in first and you want to blow up the whole lineup in JUNE!!! What are you smoking????

slash78

Mavo, wake me up when huff and tejada’s ops are over league average. Though I have a feeling neither will happen this season.

uncle joe mccarthy

slash78

you just read the box scores…right?

Mavo

slash78.. you are distracted by the offense ONLY!! You obviously do not understand the important role pitching plays in baseball!! I don’t give a fig what OPS Huff or Tejada have … if Timmy, Matt, J Sanchez, MadBum and Vogelsong keep pitching like they have so far!! With all your complaining … you’d think they were 10 games under .500 or something!!

PITCHING MAN!! PITCHING!!!

GiantsAmongMen

Buster’s injury was bad enough and now this. I’ve felt for a long time that Freddy was the unsung hero of the team. I’ve always admired his scrappy determination. It seems as if this punch tonight is the knock out blow but I won’t give up on this season just yet.

What a disappointment these losses have been. I want Freddy and Buster back now! But I know as with everything in life, there are no guarantees.

It seems like we’ve been cursed from the get go this season. Of course, the worse and most ominous sign of things to come was the horrifying attack on Bryan Stow after game one. And since then it’s been awful injury after awful injury. I’m trying to stay positive but I can’t help feeling a bit distraught over the bad luck that’s plagued Giantsdom. Freddy’s such a great person and player. I just pray this isn’t a career ending thing for him. This team has so much heart and whatever happens, I’ll never forget these 2010/2011 Giants players. To me, they’re already legends.

slash78

Mavo, the giants pitching staff was great in 2009 and they missed the playoffs because sabean/bochy stuck with unproductive vets. Last season sabean grew some ball and dumped molina. He also got lucky with burrell and huff. And the giants got lucky both derosa and rowand ended up on the dl.

Its june 11th and the standings dont matter. Padres didn’t make the playoffs last season. AZ didn’t in 2008.

uncle joe mccarthy

nice story that the merc didnt report

freddy lewis got his ring too…done in a small ceremony with the fo

he didnt want to accept it at first, as he was on the dl to start the season, and didnt play an inning in a giants uni during the reg season…but edgar told him that he had every right to get the ring

and carl…how is it that dunston has been interviewed on a number of occasions now, about jr being drafted by the cubs…but no one has brought up two really touching moments from the past?

first, the post game interview from game 5 of the nlcs…done in the hall..dunston is asked how he felt, as he didnt play an inning…and really hadnt been used much during 02…and he said, and i will paraphrase….my son asked me, daddy, why dont you play anymore? and dunston told him…someone has to be a good teammate….said with tears almost coming to his eyes…it was touching, and great advice

and then…dunston being put on the ws roster to act as the dh…and coming up huge in game 2….hitting that dinger, and being met by his son at home plate

and then…9 years later…here is his son…being drafted by an mlb club….huge

Mavo

slash78 – your way too negative with the team in first place! Their pitching was good in 2009 but NOT like it was in 2010 or this year! All you have to do is look at what they’ve accomplished so far this year while scoring the fewest runs in MLB to realize it is the PITCHING that is and WILL carry this team! Check back with me in September and then you may have an argument .. but for now.. “Enjoy the game more!!”

http://cctimes Judge Wapner

Relax everyone.. Burriss can fill in just fine for Sanchez. And lets not write Freddy out just yet. He could be back in a month or two. Until then, the Giants have plenty of options to tide them over. Its a weak division, and we have a lot of home games these next few weeks. The Giants will be fine.

As long as the Giants are within 5 games or so on Aug 1, they have a great chance to make the post season where, as its been said, anything can happen. Every champion must overcome adversity. These Giants must overcome injuries. I have a feeling they’ll do just that. No need for panic just yet.

PS. can’t wait to see Pablo behind the plate.

ECJ

Mavo

uncle joe mccarthy – nice stuff about Dunston and his son! But a small correction .. Dunston hit his World Series HR in that disastrous Game Six in Anaheim! I believe it put us up 4-0 at the time. I remember it as I was there and by chance was sitting next to Ralph Barbieri from KNBR when Shawn hit it.. we both high-fived and Ralph said “It’s about time he did SOMETHING this year!” Of course we all remember how that game ended! Thank God for 2010 so I can at least overlay that nightmare!!

http://cctimes Judge Wapner

Mavo,

I left you a comment on the last thread..

uncle joe mccarthy

Mavo

my mistake…you are right..its game 6…4th inning

game 6 is still a blur to me

LightsOut

Thanks to Freddy Sanchez for all the great things he has done for the Giants. I hope he can come back before the season is over, and that in the short run he is spared too much physical and mental pain. We have a very good team of young and older players who work together splendidly. They are going to provide us with a respectable and enjoyable summer of baseball whether or not they win any titles. The fans are out there to see the boys play and that is what they are going to see.

slash78

Totally forgot about ryan garko. Yeah sabean can fix this if he just goes out and loads up on more vets. Not!

How is hoping to develop a really contend year in and year out being negative? To do that you have to play thr younger players now. And to do that you have to cut the dead wood.

Mavo

uncle joe – Game Six was a total nightmare for me! I remember watching in horror as Dusty pulled Ortiz with a shutout intact and knowing Nenn’s arm was hanging by a thread!! Then after the game in the hotel elevator .. who is in back of my car … Felix Rodriquez with a frown on his face and his head down … it took ALL my will-power to not say to him “Don’t you throw ANYTHING but fastballs???” That was a crushing loss and one I thought I’d never see redeemed… but 2010 cleansed a lot of the pain and now I can at least talk about it!!

http://3renfrews@comcast.net robin

No one mentioned Schierholtz coming though in the clutch again.He may not be a everyday player but he deserves his kudos for being a part of the mix.Burrell, on the otherhand, looks done.He is a nice guy to have as a pitcher hitter off the bench late in a game but his at bats last night reminded me of his forgetable World Series at bats. Thank goodness they get Sandoval back next week.Miguel has had two good games out of 50. It is great that he has shown signs of life but I think it like Rowand. He can look good in spurts but cannot be consistent when playing everyday.

GiantsFanFromNY

Tip of the hat to Affeldt and Romo

If they keep handling the 7th and 8th inning like that we will be in this to the very end.

I thought that was Affeldt’s best inning in 2years. He went thru the heart of the order…and abused them.

Mike Souza

Packed up the coolers & the BBQ pit…now all I have to do is pack up the wife! 😉 Can’t wait to see my beloved team play today with 50 of my friends/fam as we celebrate my brother in-laws Birthday. GO GIANTS!!!!

Rick Raff

A professional journalist should never speculate on injuries. Time will tell the extent of the injury. Giants fans need to quit whining as injuries are part of the game. I admit the Buster Posey injury was brutal, and may prompt rule changes. But, as long as the pitching staff is healthy, the team can plug in position player who can hit .220 like their regulars, and score 2-3 runs per game.

Those of you who are bashing Miguel Tejada do not know much about baseball. He has a long history of being a durable player, and playing well in warmer weather. I suspect “Miggy” is going to do the same this year, and would be surprised if the team gave up on him.

Brandon Crawford is a nice find, and will be an asset to the team if he could just hit .240-.260… Heck, he will be a middle of the order guy if he can do that.

The Giants have the best pitching in baseball and just need a little support from their offense. I suspect Brian Sabean has a lost of players he will try to acquire in July. The catcher position must be addressed.

SFFANNOKC

Get well soon Freddy, best case senario, we see him back in 4-6 weeks, if trhere is ligament damage it will be next year. Dude was hitting and playing his rear off for us, very sad indeed.

Freddy played his SR year at Oklahoma City University where he was an NAIA all-star. Can’t let you diss my daughters school by leaving it out like that Carl, Go Stars Cross Country.

bing a ling

I hope stewart gets more starts. at least he can play some defense behind the dish.

Mike Souza

GIANTS to sign Bill Hall. I like it.

Rxmeister

If the Giants had signed Bill Hall in the offseason I would have hated it. Now? It’s a much needed signing.

Joemets86

Let’s take a step back and look at things:

Freddy’s absence will leave a large void to be filled, but let’s not make him out to be what he is not. He can be replaced in large part IF other parts step up. I am not as concerned about filling Freddy’s offense as it is his defense. Giants live and die on pitching and keeping runs down. That being said, here is why there is hope:

Sandoval coming back is an upgrade at 3B
If Tejada starts hitting, then the lack of Freddy on offense also dissipates somewhat. Freddy did not have speed so you are losing nothing there.
Hall is surely a ???, but ifg he hits anywhere near like last year, then he upgrades the offense.
Giants will very likely get a catcher that can hit MLB pitching.
Mid-season trade deadline will also bring a bat.

Assuming the pitching stays healthy, there is no reason why this team can not contend if the foregoing occurs. Let’s not annoint Freddy for Sainthood. He hit under .300, with no speed and litle powr, and played solid, if not superb, defense. He will be missed, but not anywhere near the level some believe. God bless him for a speedy recovery.

Joemets86

Bill Hall is worth a shot on this team.

Say What

Another column like this and we will rename you Sob Sister #1. You sound like an eighth grader -“It’s not fair”. Fair has nothing to do with it. The Giants will deal with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune like the pros they are. You need to search around in your boxers and try to find a pair then stop whining. What a downer.

GiantHusker

Carl, Freddie Sanchez is not “one of the best second basemen in baseball.” He had one borderline all-star caliber year in 2006, sandwiched by good years in 2005 and 2007. Other than that, he has been below average, usually a little better on defense than offense.
Having said that, his absence will hurt the Giants, and I hope his injury is not serious.

Joemets86

I don’t get it. Freddy going down is serious, but it is far from over because of his absence. He is great defensively and hits for an above average, but he lacks speed, power and is streaky at the plate. The offense actually improves when Sandoval comes back and if tejada and Hall hit, the offense also improves without Freddy.

The Giants are far better off with Freddy than without, but let’s not make this ouit to be a Buster loss. No comparison unless the new 2B’s do not field the position well.

Joemets86

I still look at the NL and wonder who will beat the Giants in a 7 game series if their pitching is healthy.

If the Giants can find a catcher who can hit MLB pitching and play defense; a bat at the deadline; and Belt and Sandoval can hit, then the Giants are going to be very tough.

Lot of IFS, but certainly doable.

Joemets86

You have to admit Tejada is looking better and some of those smacks that were finding gloves earlier in the year are finding holes now.

I worry more about Huff than anyone. He just looks out of sync

Foothills Ryan

Really like Freddy Sanchez really do. Pigeon toe ? Club foot ? No idea. Doesn’t matter, he’s got a huge heart, a batting title, a world series ring (3 doubles in 1st 3 AB’s) and a 6mil 2012 extension. Hope he mends, but you never know how well that process will go.

Devastating loss in the context of it’s another injury piled on. But not a Buster Posey injury in severity or impact. From Posey to Whiteside, the dropoff is a chasm. The drop off from Sanchez to Fontenot may only be a crack. That’s right. Fontenot is coming back and if he hits and fields the loss of offense may be negligible and defense may not that big a step back.

When Sabean can find a catcher that can hit just a bit and eliminate the 2nd pitcher in the lineup, there will be fewer INT walks and fewer LOB’s. Who knows who’s out there right now? Snyder of the Pirates is out for a while. Reds probably like having two solid catchers, one offensive, the other rounded.

A middle of the order bat plus the catcher is probably all this team needs to win the west. Carlos Beltran will only cost money. But another Carlos will cost some big prospect names. Quentin. Should the Sox bottom out in the AL Central, maybe they’ll entertain a trade for the right price. He can hit…

… Burrell, not so much. I don’t know if he’s going to show a pulse in the batter’s box again this year. They could really use him, right about NOW! Schierholtz is great for pinch hit magic. He’s an absolute weapon off the bench! Put him in that 4th slot with 2-3 starts a week and an upgraded outfield can impact games. Especially if Andres Torres returns to 2010 Andres Torres. He’s another guy the Giants need to step up.

So, this here’s a little chatter about the outfield rotation given an upgrade by trade. However, what if Brandon Belt comes back ready? Like projected NL ROY ready and delivers line drives to the gaps and 3 or 5 hitter (on this roster) potential. Then there’s no unloading farm talent! He’s the trade and the only shipped off the farm are the B’s or C’s that net a catcher.

In spite of the injurious doom and even the slowly encroaching doom of civilized society, the Giants can get back in the playoffs and maintain their pride and be an inspirational story.

ps- if Tejada continues to hit, and Crawford slides towards AA player in big league batter’s box, don’t be surprised to see him back at SS.

Amazingly, the 2 most valuable position players on the team are out.
Both of them game changers. Both ticketed to the All-Star game.
Timmy can boost the morale of this club big time today, by bringing his A game. Pat and Aubrey have to lead now with hits. Brandon and the other youngsters have to grow up quick. Show the Reds and Dusty now why they are World Champs. Pablo and Mikey come back next week. Big series looms in the desert. GO, GIANTS!

Joemets86

Hall hits lefties very well. A platoon with Fontenot and Hall is very feasible. Hall is also supposed to be above average defensively. Nice pick up for the minimum.

I expect Tejada to be the SS if he continues to hit. Crawford is the sexy piece, but it is not as if he is hitting the cover off the ball. Miggs may have seen the water from the plank and kicked it back in gear for the rest of 2011.

Samuel

Don’t worry, guys. We don’t know yet if its a dislocation or a separation. We also don’t know if there’s lig damage. He could be back in a few days.

Joemets86

Beltran would be a big leap gioven the $$$, but one that would be a huge lift.

BDA

i’m starting to like the sandoval to catcher talk, especially now that it appears fsanchez is hurt badly. you cant afford to lose tejada especially now that he is getting his hits to fall and tejada cant play ss. this team is far from over IF they dont trade any pitching. sandoval is needed, fontenot is needed, burrell needs to become the assistant bench coach now, crawford is still holding his own – the black hole at the catchers spot needs to be plugged. nate has been a very pleasant surprise, he and vogelsong are the feel good stories of the night…… just be glad that this isn’t the end of august

Joemets86

The Hall signing probably tells more about how long Freddy is going to be out than anything. But who knows. Hall is an upgrade over Crawford, Burriss and Fontenot.

Rxmeister

I’m with you guys that the Giants can get by without Freddy Sanchez for a little while, but he’s a much better player than you’re making him out to be. Clutch two out game tying hit last Sunday against the Rockies, and then a two out game winning hit the next day against the Nats. The guy is one of the toughest outs on the team, and the guy you want up there with the game on the line. He will be missed.

Joemets86

Burrell is done. Put him on the DL and make him this year’s DeRosa on the bench.

Cindy

I don’t think we should rule out the Giants for the WS yet. We have to take baby steps. Think about winning the NL West first.
We still have 3 more months of baseball to play and a LOT can happen in three
months.
But all of these injuries are just horrible. Freddy’s was probably one of the worst ones. He was actually one of our consistent hitters until Schmiggy started to show up in this series. But i’m more worried about missing his defensive skills. He wasn’t an offense threat per say, but his defensive plays at 2B are top notch. I was also looking forward to seeing him at the All Star Game. i just hope that there’s no ligament damage.

But all good teams overcome adversity.

totalfan62

What a bittersweet morning. Wake up to see another Giants walk-off, one-run win…and the terrible news about Freddy.

I’m with all those who say we can weather this storm. This has been a very difficult year given all the injuries, but we continue to plug the gaps and players continue to step up. Fontenot’s best position is 2B, and if he becomes the regular 2B he will give us decent production, hopefully close to what Freddy was giving us.

I’m not excited about the possible addition of Bill Hall. He has come up short in nearly every situation over the past 3-4 years, regardless of where’s he’s playing. I would rather see Crawford, Burris, or Fontenot get Freddy’s ABs vs. bringing in another maybe/maybe not veteran.

Can’t say enough about the pitching. Vogey gives us another quality start, even though he was walking the proverbial tightrope most of the way through. Timmy and Cainer are rock solid, and Vogey/MadBum continue to put up quality starts every time out. If JSanchez finds his groove, that’s the best five-man rotation in baseball (sorry Phillies).

Our bullpen is also pitching lights out, so if we can continue to patch together a lineup that produces 3-4 runs…more often than not it’s a win. Welcome back Jeremy Affeldt!

Gotta give a shout-out to Nate as well. Sabean, please do not trade this guy–he’s an integral part of this team and will continue to produce for us.

It’s Timmy Day today, and a good chance for another win with Leake pitching for the Reds. Tomorrow night will be the first Sunday night game from AT&T (it’s about time to feature our park and the WS champions), and we will show the MLB world just how tough and resilient our team is.

GO GIANTS!!

Nameless Bob

The Giants are made up of outstanding pitchers and an average level position team. Like all average teams, some players like Sanchez are above average, some below. It is easier to replace position players when your game plan is to win with pitching. Losing Sanchez will not make that big a difference. I still say put Burriss at 2nd, not Tejada. We are witnessing Tejada’s one little streak he has had all year. I think he will regress to his miserable season mean soon because that is the level player he now has become. Get the young guys going and don’t look back. The team runs on pitching, the players to an extent are expendable.

Joemets86

Freddy is one of the clutch guys on THIS team because this teams hots so poorly. If you add a few pieces that can actually hit, then the loss of Freddy is not so great. Freddy batting 3rd is only a tad more serious than Fontenot batting 3rd last month.

Samuel

Anyway, Manny’s doing pretty well lately. He’s hitting .292. Surprisingly, all of his 14 hits are singles, and he hasn’t been walked or HBP all year. He also has 4 SB in 19 games, which isn’t too shabby. He could play 2nd, Crawford at SS, Pablo at 3rd. We can also have Tejada filling in at 3rd and SS when needed, and have Fontenot fill in 2nd and SS. I like Crawford’s D, but I don’t think he’s an everyday yet.

GiantHusker

If the Giants do, in fact, sign Bill Hall, they will be getting a player who has a mediocre career and has been as horrible as Huff and Tejada this season for the Astros. He would basically just be a warm body to fill in for injured players.

Joemets86

Hall hits lefties very well. Check it out. A platoon of Hall against righties and Fontenot/Burriss against lefties works fine.

Joemets86

rather Hall versus lefties and Burris/Fontenot against righties works well!!!

Joemets86

Hall WAS signed by Giants this morning per MLB

BDA

and to all you experts (and i dont mean the trolls) who continue to drop your clever jabs and bashes – i say go take a big hot brown steamer on yourself. this team is fun to watch because they excel despite their deficencies. i have already decided to get showtime next month for the sole purpose to see how professionals act.

BDA

it’s gonna be great theater

giantsfan

Carl you unbelievable sap….AWESOME read bro!!!

Hey, I’d like to see them win as much as anyone but with me, they have a free pass this year. My wife, NOT SO MUCH!!

Sabean is a genius. A little overzealous at times…ahem…but a genius none the less…

Bill Hall?? Who the hell is that?

Peace

Geomancy

One of the best columns I’ve read this year.

BDA

and i agree with Geomancy and giantsfan that post by carl was awesome

Giant PITA

On the surface it would seem nearly impossible for the Giants to overcome yet another injury, this time to their most consistent (and clutch) hitter and a plus defender. However, as Mavo relentlessly points out, this team is winning with pitching. The offense is a joke and yet we’re still in 1st place (weak division is a bonus here). It will be harder to replace Freddy’s D than his O.

Hey Mavo, if it is the pitching that’s winning for the Giants, which I whole heartedly agree with BTW, why are you so opposed to slash78’s recommendation to go with a youth movement? Just curious.

I don’t know squat about Bill Hall, but it would seem that with Burriss (frying pan for a glove and all) and if Fontenot is healed up, the Giants should be able to adequately hold down the 2B position.

Get a decent catcher that can hit MLB pitching and this season is still far from over for this team, because after all, it’s all about the PITCHING!

Azafactor

Carl – very nicely done. I, for one, have yet to lose any faith. We just keep it going no matter what hand we are dealt. Everyone from Sabean down to the 40th man on the roster deserve a ton of credit. Just imagine if we stay afloat, or even hold a couple of game lead, and everyone but Posey is back and healthy for the last month, plus the playoffs. I like our chances at that point, big-time!

SoCalSportsFan

Hall: He was batting .224 in 46 games with only a .976 fielding percentage at second base.
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Will this be Garko or Burrell (’10 version)?
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Giants are hanging tough but if Huff doesn’t start putting up some numbers, over the long haul, team will slip.
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Seems clear that the Giants gotta keep Zito around to fill in if the unspeakable happens…who else could step up as a starter if needed? Just not clear who gets moved to make room for Zito–no weak link in the BP.

spliff(TONE)

Anyone claiming that Tejada is making some return to form as a productive player are in need of a serious reality check.

He definitely hits lefties well and his batting average leading off innings is great. Bat him leadoff against lefties and it’s all good!

SoCalSportsFan

If the Giants are selling out their home games, does that mean the Giants are collecting $$ in excess of whatever budget projections management had? If so, maybe they decide to spend big on a trade…Reyes? I like Crawford but Reyes would do a lot for this team. Or, is there a HR guy out there? If they make an OF move, they gotta treat Burrell right even though he’s been struggling…the team will not be happy if Burrell isn’t treated right.

GiantHusker

I strongly agree with #70. Two good-hitting games hardly constitute a hot streak, let alone a serious indication of improvement. However, it’s just enough to leave Huff all alone as the least valuable Giant this season until Hall joins the team.

SF Lifer

Just saw the Giants signed 2B Bill Hall to fill in for Freddy while he’s out. A decent defender with plus power at the position, hopefully this softens the blow a bit.

18 HR in 344 ABs last season in Boston, he’s probably our best power threat.

Full steam ahead!

BDA

spliff(TONE) let’s hope you are right

Cody Ross

No, not that Cody Ross…
I love this blog and the comments from most. I guess I missed the part where Uncle Joe & Mavo proclaimed themselves the judge-n-jury on everyones posts. It’s entertaining to see them attack each other then jointly attack someone (slash) else. Remember gang, a little self control on the use of exclamation points!!!!!!!
No matter what happens or who plays, win or lose, I’ll tune in again today, tomorrow, next week and next year. Like Kruk said… You owe it to pass along the good book San Francisco Giants. Thanks dad for passing it my way and I have passed it along to my wife and daughter.

The Wisdom Cow

It is funny to see the posts claiming Tejada has put the “haters” to shame because of the last week. He still has a .229 average and an horrid URZ/150 of -19.6. I am not about to believe the has “found” his swing. I think it is a streak, like Rowand goes on some times. He’s turning on everything, taking it to LF. I hope it lasts and the Giants squeeze as much out of him as they can, but he’ll be pitched away soon enough and we’ll see if he adjusts. More power to him if he keeps it up, but I would not hold my breath, and a move to 2B would exacerbate the defensive problems we saw at SS that have been minimized at 3B.

Giant PITA

Bill Hall hits lefties, strikes out way too often. Had some pop with Boston, doubt that translates to ATT.

Sansui-Sans Haiku Corner

This teams will to win
Fried in the furnace from Hell
Will NOT break a sweat

The Wisdom Cow

Brain Sabean, the man can dumpster dive with the best of them.

Dave Rader

Speaking of dislocations, I dislocated my jaw last night watching Affeldt and Romo:)

Giant PITA

The cow is wise, indeed.

The Wisdom Cow

Unintentional “Brain” for Brian but I guess it works, lol.

Joemets86

THe biggest clog in the offense this year is Huff. For $11MM per year, you exp[ect to get some sort of consistency. I know the contract sort of makes up for the $3MM last year, but if Huf was hitting better the offense would be performing much better.

You need stars on offense and defense to win championships. The Giants have stars on defense (pitchers) but have NO ONE this year on offense. Huff and Posey played like stars last year, with contributions from others. This is why I believe Reyes is still in the mix. You can do something with Sandoval at 3B, Reyes at SS, Huff (assuming he is hitting) at 1B and a combination of Tejada/Fontenot/Hall/Burriss (take your pick) at 2B. Add a catcher that can hit MLB pitching and there you go.

Joemets86

BTW, did you know the Reds have 2 of the most highly touted catching prospects in the minors. I would love to see Hannigan coming over to the Giants. The guy has a nice feel for the game. Probably cost Runzler and ??? from the minors.

The Wisdom Cow

Can we give the Mets an IOU for Reyes and a travellers check to the Reds for Hannigan?

Giant PITA

@Joemets

I like Hanigan too and you’re right about the Reds catcher prospects, plus they have Hernandez to start, so one would think Hanigan is available.

I proposed this (I know I was likely not the first one to do so), but got some rebuttals claiming the Reds would not want to trade him to the Giants for fear of a future playoff matchup. That the Reds would rather deal with any number of teams also in need of catching. Who knows.

I hope Sabean is on the phone with Walt Jocketty dangling Runzler and ? to get it done.

BDA

if WC proposed trade can be pulled off, i am behind it 100%

TrainWreck

Dang, Nick Noonan’s failure to develop as a hitter really shows up now. If he could hit a lick he’d get his big league shot right now. As it is, the only reason he hasn’t been released from the minor league system is that the Giants wasted such a high draft pick on him. The (further) bad news is that even Charlie Culberson, who has zoomed past Noonan on the organizational depth chart, isn’t hitting much at AA Richmond.

Random Giants Fan

Through all our losses, the only thing that went through my head was “Please, just keep Freddy healthy”, because he’s out there every night, because he has great hustle, because he pulls off great plays, and because I can’t see any of our bench guys adequately covering for him.

Now that he’s out, I think any serious WS chances are gone. It doesn’t make me want to give up on the team, but rather re-adjust our sightlines. Maybe win our division, but probably not the NL? And seriously, I wonder how we’ve managed to anger the gods of baseball so much that they rain down so many injuries on our G men!

On a bright note….Nate the great is just turning into Nate the saviour. Time and time again, he’s coming in to save the day. So glad Bochy never listened to the naysayers here who claimed this guy was nothing special.

GO GIANTS!

BDA

and the tejada streak is what it is, a vet getting hot – nothing more nothing less. but it better cover the pie holes of the “lets dfa him so some other team can get him on our dime” or the “lets play buriss full time at third” bunch

SoCalSportsFan

What would the Giants likely have to give up to acquire Reyes? Sanchez and Belt? That would be a major cost, probably too much when Reyes’ salary is taken into account, but maybe the Giants have to roll the dice big time to get some consistent offense instead of relying on inconsistent vets.

The Wisdom Cow

To get Hannigan for a reliever, it would take at Romo and Javier (and maybe more), not Runzler, and suddenly the bullpen would not be so dominant.

fumble

If Sandoval is healthy enough to play at Fresno he’s healthy enough to play in the bigs. His rehabbing bat is still better than anything the Giants have right now.

GiantHusker

#90, you need to change your screen name to “Drama Queen.”

The Wisdom Cow

The bright side: how many teams could suffer so many injuries to position players and not be in a “Sellers” position?

The pitching means the Giants are still in it.

BDA

giants are in first by 2 games
more than half the season is left to regroup the offense
this group has a special knack for figuring out how to win
the pitching in its ENTIRETY (sp?) is glue that supports everything

cutoffman

Nice extra, Carl. Only one thing I would say re: your Jake LaMotta reference. LaMotta went into his title fight with Robinson an arrogant, out of shape bully who thought he could beat Ray through his will alone. He lost his title, disappointed his wife, family, trainers and fans and got the absolute crap beat out of him which started the long spiral down to the end of his career. The only thing he felt he could hang on to was the fact that he was still standing after the fight. His pride and hubris brought about his downfall and in the movie when the fight was over, the way Robinson looked at him conveyed pretty clearly, “You must be kidding. You’re done.”
If any boxing analogy works, the Giants are Rocky right now – bloody, staggering and behind on points but we are all of us (well, most of us) still in their corner, hoping, cheering, believing.

uncle joe mccarthy

looks like the injury to freddie hit sabean hard…he didnt sleep all night…and went a little nuts

just signed bill hall

first reported by ken rosenthal…4 hours ago…while sane people sleep

3rdKing

i personally don’t mind the injuries
the hardest thing to do in sports is repeat
when we repeat with all these injuries
we will prove we are the best
go giants

BDA

and one last thing to WC – who the hell cares if it is a streak that rowand or tejada go on? the bottom line is those streaks equate to wins. want to know my pet peeve? when the experts downplay any positive sign from a struggling player to prove a point….. and i am not ragging on you because from your posts you know ahelluvalot more about baseball then me, just saying.

Channelclemente

This the most incredible ball club I’ve ever watched. They just refuse to die. Even Tejada, doing his best impression of Roy Batty (Bladerunner), has decided despite one foot in the grave, it’s not time to die, metaphorically speaking. I spent years as a Cub fan, so most have you have no idea what a treasure your watching. Win or loose, you have to put away the stat book (I have), and just enjoy the drama your witnessing. If they are fortunate enough to win this, they will write baseball history.

Mavo has it right, pitching is baseball. Big bats are for sideshows. The way this crazy story is developing, even Zito may get his day in the spotlight. Hell, maybe even a few of you guys will finally admit what a baseball genius Bochy is, nah, that’s would be a miracle.

Channelclemente

By the way Cow, they’re stretching Runzler out as a starter. Scuttlebutt is that he’s at about 90 pitches now. Yankee bait??

HowieS

All this fretting over a 36-28 team just seems absurd. I’m not so sure losing Freddy is the end of the world. He has a nice batting average but is not much of a run producer or scorer (24 rbis/21 runs). If Huff and Tejada can get it going just a bit, and Pablo and Fontenot come back, we can make up for that.

My bigger point though is don’t forget the pitching. We are facing a Reds team with a scary lineup. They’ve scored almost 100 MORE RUNS than we have this season, yet are barely above .500. We are 8 games above .500 with arguably the worst offense in baseball. I attribute it to pitching and team chemistry.

This team has something that sabermetrics can’t describe: chemistry. Don’t mess with the chemistry just yet–not unless we start a downward slide. Burrell, Rowand, and Huff are the cultural nucleus in that clubhouse, and I think their presence alone is a tipping point factor in why we keep eeking out these wins. These guys are a band of brothers, and they want to win for each other. You break them up and I think the magic goes away.

The Wisdom Cow

A good clarification, BDA. I am an admitted pessimist, and I often take that angle. I do honestly hope Tejada keeps up the offense.

If anyone out there is a long time Tejada follower, has his stance always been as closed as last night?

I noticed it, thinking, “Wow, his stance is crazy closed. They’re gonna bust him inside.” They did, and he ambushed it. So I started wondering if he closed it a little more than usual to try to induce pitchers to go inside where he’s waiting for it. I can’t think of a single hit this week that was not pulled off an inside pitch (at least the inner half of the plate). I probably just never noticed how closed his stance was, but if anyone noticed a difference from old tejada, speak up.

Channelclemente

Hannigan, since he just signed a new contract, is likely who the Reds would keep. Hernandez is the negotiable one, or Corky Wilson (?) in there AAA affiliate.

Channelclemente

Cow , Tejada also lowered his hands and is quicker to the ball. Stance and hands together have him quicker to the ball and he quit rolling over it. Notice how those line shots had no hook, no backspin. Muelins at work there.

Andre

Stewy is right, this is going to be one hell of a drama-filled year. I, mean, it is already but it’s only gonna get more interesting. The division is weak and look at our September schedule.

We play the Rockies 7 times, the D-Backs 6, the Dodgers 6 and the Padres 6. ALL Division games in the month of September. We WILL have a chance, as long as the pitching staff stays healthy.

BDA

thanks for response Cow, you and i are probably 180 degree “baseline” opposites so i will keep that in mind! i do appreciate the insights here – some i just disagree on.

uncle joe mccarthy

its pitching and defense…pitching and defense wins games

mays was once asked, what he was more proud of…his offensive or defensive skills…he said….my defense of course…cuz i can stop the other team from scoring…and if i can stop the other team from scoring…we dont have to

bill hall??????

hey mavo….this is what i remember from game 6

first…great story about ferod….didnt know that you were so close to the team

there used to be a giants chat connected with the game day…i was watching the game on tv, and chatting

in the 6th…some guy, who wasnt a part of the chat comes on and says…CONGRATS…THE GIANTS WIN THE WS

everyone on the chat started screaming at him

the rest is history

and i really wish that someone would bring up the emotional stuff with dunston…after years of inteviews, the guy has learned exactly how to control them, and never gives an inch

his interview with urban is exactly the same

i wanna see that dunston that i saw after game 5 at the lcs…that is the dunston that raised jr and his sisters

Andre

@Howie S. agree totally. another interesting stat to look at is that we have a better record than the Yankees who are plus 69 with Runs Scored against Runs Allowed. We are plus 3!

It really is amazing how half our home wins are walk-offs (9). and half our wins are 1-run wins (18).

Channelclemente

Corky MILLER.

iamwatching

Freddie’s injury is a big blow. Obviously the G-men’s medical staff have unofficially DNF’d Franchez for most of the season (2 months or so) and that is why we see the Hall signing so quickly.

When has Sabean ever done anything so quickly, even when there was great need for it?

Also, Freddy has had surgery on the right shoulder as well when he was with Pittsburgh . . so this likely won’t respond like a 23 year old would.

This team is built on the strategy of the other teams BullPen being weak and faltering in the later innings. It will work for the West, but maybe not in the playoffs.

Nate’sFanMom

So ANOTHER (Ring) ceremony, another injury.

The Greeks did have it right: Hubris kills.

The JINX.

Stop it already, Giants management, with the WS gloating.

Nate’sFanMom

Nate Schierholtz is like a character in a fairy tale. He’s the youngest, unnoticed son of the king who unexpectantly beats the odds, finds the treasure, and marries the princess.

slash78

Bill Hall is an upgrade over Tejada. Too bad he won’t be used as such. People complain about Whitesides, but it’s Tejada and Huff pulling the team down a lot more.

What does it say about Tejada that it took a 7-game hitting streak to get his OPS up and over the Horrid numbers Whiteside is putting up? What does it say when other teams are cutting players (like Hall) who’s numbers are equally horrid or even better (like Hall’s OPS which is over 60 points higher) then Tejada’s?

Two Walks last night and Tejada has as many walks as…Brandon Belt. Who was sent back to the minors because of his under-performing, but yet still has A) as many HR as Miggy and B) an OPS 50 points higher. But no double-standard. Not at all.

BDA

slash78 yeah we probably won’t see bill hall replacing tejada – unfortunately for you. i blame it on the sucktitudity of guys like sabean and bochy. why they hell can’t they see what you see? that is the burning question.

uncle joe mccarthy

slash78

belt is on the dl

Monterey

I haven’t counted out the team going to the post season just yet. I think they can survive the Freddy injury like they survived the other injuries… with great pitching, decent fielding & timely hitting.

The Hall signing makes me think Freddy will be out a long time & the Gs aren’t thrilled with Burriss’ play so far.

I watched Hall play when he was with the Red Sox. OK defensively, can come up with a big hit once in a while.

Hall should be very happy to land on a contender.. being happy for a 2nd chance should help his play… like Burrell last yr.

Giants won the WS last yr with “rookies and rejects”. Looks like they’re going to have to do it with “rookies and rejects” again this yr.

Kezar1958

Carl –

Now a days…”diving to the turf” means synthetic field composition….I think Freddy dove to the ground – dirt or grass….

’58

jobO

Thanks for the late night write Carl. I know this has been brought up before, but how about taking off those ws patches…they might be jinx’ing the crap out of us! Carl, have you ever talked to Sabes about this???

Joemets86

Yankees NEED pitching. How much are the Giants willing to give up? Joba is out with Tommy John for 12-16 months.

http://www.garlicfriesandbaseball.com Garlicfriesandbaseball

Attaboy Wineguy. “Giants with all the blows we’ve taken still coming back for more. I still believe, and you should too.”

Gotta love it……SF Giants fans are the best! Believe!

mitchvman

Guys don’t quite jump on the Tejada Train yet! He is still not playing very well! His defense has been suspect this week (as always) and of the 4 doubles only 2 were actual legitimate hard hit balls OVER the 3rd baseman’s head not on the ground by him. Let’s see what he does next week! Either way the Giants may be stuck with him.

Agreed that Sabean must not panic and the Bill Hall of the scrap heap sign might just pan out ala, Pat the Bat. Ultimately though this Pitching staff is the best in Baseball! The way they have kept composure and competed each and every day. No matter what the idiots at the East coast SPorts Network say!

In the next few weeks, though Sabean must go find an offense to support this pitching if they are thinking about winning another championship. Remember the Blockbuster trade with the Chi-Sox that propelled the Giants some 15 years ago! That is what they need! There are teams that are ripe for something like that.

Mets
Twins
Indians
Astros

To name a few!

Today Big Time Timmy Jim needs to concentrate & dominate!

Gigantes

Bill Hall is as big downgrade defensively. He’s mostly played other positions in his career. He also didn’t have a very good rate of DP’s for the games he played in Houston. People take Freddy’s defense for granted but that might be a bigger loss than his bat.

OMT

This tale is surely not over. Maybe the baseball gods that gave us tortuous magic, and misfit destiny have now said that they need to one up it on us. We surely don’t want to merely repeat? We want to do it again, “against all odds”. If this TEAM can go on and do it again, it would most definitely be one of the greatest stories of all time.

I hear Baggs murmuring to himself now…

Hmmm….. “Band of MASH-Fits”

fumble

Tejada is hitting the inside pitch right now. Major league pitchers always adjust — he’ll be lucky if he ever sees an inside pitch again.

Bring up Panda!

The Mad Hatter

I had a very similar injury at his same age making a similar play (diving to my right for a ground ball). The shoulder just popped out of its socket, and it took a teammate (and a lot of yelling and screaming) to pop it back into place. There are two roads on this one. I was fortunate not to have any ligament damage, which meant rest and rehab. It took me about 2 months before I was able to start playing and another 2 months before the shoulder fully healed. If there are torn ligament around the shoulder, then they will need to perform surgery, and he will be out for the season. My best wishes go out to him on a quick recovery.

Mavo

@GiantsPita

I am opposed to blowing up the lineup for a wholesale youth movement because with young players you don’t know what you’ll get or how they’ll handle the pressure of a pennant race in the fall! The Giants have a mix of veteran and young players, and as lousy as they are hitting so far, there is NO reason to blow up the lineup when they are in first place!! You do that when your out of contention and looking to next year!

And geez people have already forgotten how well the team hit in warmer weather in St Louis!! I said months ago that the hitting will improve when the weather warms up and pitchers start getting tired arms. When that happens I want veterans in there who have been there before!!

Vedo

As big of a loss as Freddie is going to be, I am more concerned with the catching situation. The Giants have options at 2B (granted a significant drop off in hitting/defense/ and clutch), but the current catchers on the Giants can’t hit or play defense. Bumgarner, Jonathan Sanchez, and Volgesong all have better batting averages then the Giant’s catchers. Tough to sustain any kind of rally when you have 2 automatic outs along with a couple of other batters in the .220’s.

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