6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And the real translation is “the ruler of peace” . Christians change that last part so it sounds like they are talking about an heir or
son.

It's prophecy, Joshua. Jesus will rule over Israel during the Millennial period. It hasn't happened yet, just like those other verses we discussed
that said that Israel would finally know that Jesus was LORD and his commandments written on their hearts. This will all happen during the millennial
period, otherwise known as the Millennial Kingdom.

In the meanwhile, once again, we recognize the Messiah (Jesus) as the child that was born and the son that was given. This part of prophecy has
already come to realization. The rest won't happen until...

Luke 24:44

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written
in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 5:39-47

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

Jesus does fit the bill as the Messiah who came, was rejected (as told in the Old Testament), but will return again to set up his Millennial Kingdom
and prove to the Jews that they made a mistake.....again. Unfortunately for them, it won't happen until two thirds of them have been cut off and a
remnant is saved to live during the Millennial period in an effort to replenish themselves. In case you haven't noticed, it never turned out or turns
out the way they wanted or expected, because of their constant rejection. God has consistently used them as a sign and an example of WHAT NOT TO DO
and that won't ever change, but it will also mean the end of the world as we all know it.

Israel isn't surrounded by all Muslim nations that would love nothing more than to see the "Death of Israel" for no reason. While they are safe for
the time being, it won't remain that way forever. God/Jesus will step in and save it to prove who their Messiah was that they rejected, but it won't
be without a heavy price!

Why do you spend time posting threads about a topic that no one can physically prove and only has texts (and personal experiences) to go by in the
first place?

The main point of the entire Bible is....reject God and face the consequences! In all honesty, regardless of what God promises us in the afterlife,
there is no true joy or contentment in this life without him. If there was, you'd be spending your time researching and discussing other topics. The
fact that you and Akragon spend so much time trying to debate a subject that you don't even truly believe in is very telling. You're looking for
answers. You're looking for life fulfillment, but until you realize that you can't and won't find it on your own without the help of your Creator,
you're never going to find it or the answers.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

You and Akragon are hopeless. The reason the list says not to curse the Hebrew God or worship other idols is because....THEY HAVE A GOD!

These conversations have gotten so silly that I'm moving on, but I wish you the best in your continued research, you need it.

I know where you are going with it but josh is joshing around with word play. A jew believes they themselves are god. A non jew is soulless and if
converted a jew the converts dna becomes holy, becomes god. There is no heaven like he said. To a jew, a non jew is in heaven once becoming a jew,
until then he is a lesser animal. So josh is not joshing about them not believing in gods, because they believe they are god.

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