EAST ORANGE, N.J. — Two female ministers with the United Church of Christ recently “wed” each other despite being warned by the father of one of the women that doing so was unbiblical. He did not attend the ceremony.

“My father would not come here because he does not believe in same-sex marriage,” Twanna Gause told the New York Times in an article published on Friday. “He told me the devil tricked me into this, and that if we had been married in biblical times, we would have been stoned to death.”

Gause and her partner Vanessa Brown both lead Rivers of Living Water United Church of Christ, which has locations in both New Jersey and New York. Both had been in relationships with men, one being previously married and the other breaking off an engagement.

The two entered into a lesbian relationship in 2005, but didn’t want to tell their parents at first that they considered each other more than just female friends. According to Gause, when she revealed the truth to her father, he confronted her with the Scriptures.

“He slammed the Bible down on a table and said to us, ‘Did you all read this book?’” she stated. “He was furious.”

Mr. Gause, a Pentecostal pastor that also has affiliation with Center of Hope Church of God in Christ, continues to hold his ground.

“We all have a conscience,” he told the New York Times. “It is through that conscience that we hear from our Creator as to what is right and what is wrong, and if God did not want us to procreate, then why didn’t He just create billions of people with no gender at all? He must have had a reason for doing what He did.”

While Gause did not attend the ceremony, his ex-wife, Cathy Dodson, did.

“It was a mistake that her mother even went to the wedding,” he said. “Had she rejected outright that kind of behavior, and become the lovable person that my daughter was in search of, perhaps Twanna would have had a different idea about that kind of thing, and not gone elsewhere to seek love.”

Dodson remarked that she didn’t think it was Gause’s place to “judge” their daughter’s choice of a partner, and that she was going to support her no matter her life choices.

“I tried to get him to come here tonight, but it was a losing battle,” she stated. “He asked me why I would even bother showing up, and I said to him, ‘All you need to remember is that Twanna is my daughter, and I love her, and I have her back no matter what she does, and that’s why I’ll be there.’”

Mr. Gause said that he doesn’t have to judge his daughter because “judgment has already been established by God.”

According to reports, the ceremony and reception, which was held at New Vision Full Gospel Baptist Church in East Orange, included representatives from the Yoruba, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist religions, as well some secular music selections.

Twanna Gause’s bio outlines that she has shared the stage as a singer with “Mariah Carey, Anthony Hamilton, Ann Nesby, Kim Burrell, and Karen Clark-Sheard, Earnest Pugh, B. Chase Williams and Shabach, Meitta Stancil-Farrar and Tehillah, Saturday Night Live and MTV Unplugged with Florence and the Machine and Stevie Wonder.” She also identifies herself as having a prophetic call on her life.

As previously reported, the United Church of Christ has been vocal for years about its homosexual advocacy, sponsoring Ohio’s “Gay Games” in 2014, and filing a legal challenge against North Carolina’s same-sex “marriage” ban that same year, asserting that it violates the free exercise of religion among clergy.

However, those within biblical orthodoxy note that homosexuality is a violation of God’s law, as cited in both the Old and New Testaments. Romans 1, which addresses homosexual behavior, notes that lesbianism is “against nature” and refers to homosexuality as a deviation from God’s design for the “natural use of the woman.”

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature,” verse 26 reads. “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

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Amos Moses – He>i

falling SOOOOOOO fast …. Church of Christ ….. that is the Duck Dynasty denomination …… wonder what Uncle Cy has to say ………..

Trilemma

Church of Christ and United Church of Christ are different denominations. The United Church of Christ is the denomination of Obama.

That is what I just wrote on another person’s comment. I was thinking that very same thing, they are NOT affiliated with each other in their doctrine/beliefs.

wandakate

I’m not too worried about Uncle Cy, I’m a lot more concerned about what JESUS has to say. Follow me is what He told us to do. Same sex ceremonies is NOT following JESUS, but following satan instead…
They want to have their cake and eat it too so to speak.

1 John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,

Maybe the Church of Christ should take “Christ” out of their name?

wandakate

I am not positive if it’s “the” Church of Christ or if it’s “United” Church of Christ. I think there is a difference in the two of them.

Dan Smith

Tribulation of the Saints is just around the corner… Soon if you stand against sin you will be persecuted up to and including being killed… Prepare your hearts for that day…

wandakate

JESUS told whoever believe that they would indeed be persecuted. In Matthew 5 we find the beatitudes and as one of them we find…
Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and PERSECUTE you and say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake…REJOICE and be exceedingly glad for GREAT is your reward in heaven for so PERSECUTED they the prophets which were before you!!!
JESUS told us that we would have persecution. We would have trials and tribulations in this life, but that we MUST endure to the end in order to be saved from the fire.
Yes, the tribulation of the saints is ongoing and will get worse as we move along in time before the Glorious Appearing of JESUS CHRIST. And again YES we MUST prepare our minds and our hearts for that day.
Because our world has it all backwards. Right is wrong and wrong is now right. But JESUS Himself told us that these things would happen, and warned us to follow Him, believe Him and receive Him that where He was going to be, there we would be also, if by faith we trusted in His word.

Trilemma

“It was a mistake that her mother even went to the wedding,” he said. “Had she rejected outright that kind of behavior, and become the lovable person that my daughter was in search of, perhaps Twanna would have had a different idea about that kind of thing, and not gone elsewhere to seek love.

That’s it. Blame the ex-wife that Twanna is lesbian.

ZappaSaid88

“All you need to remember is that Twanna is my daughter, and I love her, and I have her back no matter what she does, and that’s why I’ll be there.” – The mom says this. I think we can see who the lovable person was in that parenting situation.

Amos Moses – He>i

right … the one with the discipline to say NO …………

ZappaSaid88

To paraphrase someone else on these forums…..Nope…..

Amos Moses – He>i

YUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPP! ……………………… the one with the discipline to say NO IS the parent ………..

brucewang

Those of us who understand what love means can only meet your statement with utter contempt.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….. again ………..

brucewang

You are free to block me if you don’t like me standing up to your hate statements.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored .. and i am free to do what i am doing …….

brucewang

So am I. You didn’t ignore me, and I’ll continue to stand up to your hate speech. Guess what you can do about it? Nothing.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……………

brucewang

No you didn’t.

wandakate

It’s just very unfortunate that the mother didn’t tell her that GOD sees this as a big “SIN”, and that people who live this lifestyle (regardless of why) will NOT be going to the Kingdom of GOD (Heaven) for their eternity. The bible tells us in Revelation that the sexually immortal will NOT enter into the Kingdom of GOD.

wandakate

It’s possible and does appear that he is shifting all the blame to the mother. It is as Amos and I both have said, she isn’t a CHILD anymore, she is now an ADULT and she is capable of making her own decisions now, right or wrong…
In child rearing it takes TWO people to do it properly and the blame should NEVER ever be placed on just one of them, it’s equal parenting.

Peter Leh

if we believe homosexuality is based in abuse… does the father not have something to do with it, directly or indirectly?

If genetic does he still not have a contribution?

Amos Moses – He>i

at some point the child is responsible for their actions and not the parents ………. even if the parents were making decisions that were not in the “best interest” of the child …. that is not an excuse for the child to do the same …………..

Peter Leh

True….. however that does not excuse the parents. EVen the bible says ” Train up a child in the way he should go and HE WILL NOT DEPART FROM IT”

And ” The sins of the Father passes down from generation to generation”

So IF we christians use the argument that homosexuality is a choice and comes primary from abuse (which I reject in general BTW) The we can point fingers at the parent who did not show up for this marriage but cause it in the first place.

Otherwise jettison the original unsubstantiated argument we christians project on others to justify something we obviously dont understand

Amos Moses – He>i

parents are not responsible for their childrens salvation …………

Peter Leh

Neither are you.. or me.

But we do and have, even I in my younger years, have made the argument one is homosexual because of abuse.

SO.. do we keep the argument and also blame the parents?

RWH

The father may feel proud that he has cut his daughter off for now. As the years go by, he’s going to realize that he has alienated both his daughter and most likely the rest of the family who is rather alarmed at his strident attitude. Some day when he is old and all alone, he will regret burning his bridges. His daughter is happy, and he has done nothing more than hurt himself, for his strident attitude will repel those around him. What he sees as keeping the faith, others will view as pure hate, and in the end, he will lose. I certainly don’t want to be around someone who so callous that he would cut off his own children.

Amos Moses – He>i

“he’s going to realize that he has alienated both his daughter and most likely the rest of the family”

and yet will be in the company of God …. fair trade ……….

Luke
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

RWH

Fine. You keep on rejecting people, and you are going to die a lonely old man who will mourn because you have burned all of your bridges and your children have rejected you. You will have no idea what they are doing and how their lives are evolving. You will never know your grandchildren. And when you die, there will be nobody to collect the body, or hold a funeral, and you will end up in an unmarked grave or have your ashes scattered on some field someplace. And your kids will feel nothing except relief that that repulsive person is no longer around. And don’t think for a minute that people in your church are going to shell out hard-earned money to provide a decent funeral.

Amos Moses – He>i

nope … THEY reject GOD ….. and i will still have God and all of His people ….. and this daughter is going to the outer darkness ….. alone and eternally separated ……..

RWH

The God that you have created in your image may reject these people, but the God I serve is full of mercy. Your sins are rags as filthy as those of the young woman. You just don’t want to own up to them. Your confessed sins doom you to hell as well, and what is so bad is that you seek to cut others off from God’s mercy, yet you think that God will ignore your sins against others. The relationship that this woman has for her partner is centered in love. Your relationship with others on this list is centered in sheer contempt and hate. And the proof of my assertion will come from your answer, which I anticipate will be one-word answers like FAIL, IGNORED, and others of the same contemptuous tone.

wandakate

GOD isn’t going to intervene…GOD expects total obedience. She knew right from wrong Amos b/c she had her daddy show her the word of GOD in that Bible of his. She knew that if she did what she planned to do she was rejecting what GOD wanted her to do and was following satan and his evil ways but she went right ahead and did it anyway. She disobeyed GOD, and she will be accountable to GOD for that disobedience and so will the other women that she is now in a union with…We can’t disobey GOD and get away with it can we?

Amos Moses – He>i

what they have done is forgivable ….. but not without Gods intervention …… and they will have much to account for ….. but true repentance as a gift from God is available if God decides they deserve His mercy …. only time will tell …..

wandakate

I said that they must confess, repent and forsake the sin…I know it is forgivable but ONLY under GOD’s timing and ONLY under His will, and of course by His mercy.

Amos Moses – He>i

FYI … it is the daughter that has rejected her family … not the other way around ……..

RWH

Sorry. The article states that the wife sided with the daughter, and it hints that the rest of the family also sided with the daughter. The father has a lousy disposition, and he credits his crappy behavior on God’s will. As I said before, he will die a lonely old man who has nobody who loves him. Nobody will attend his funeral, and everyone will sigh in relief that such a miserable old codger has gone to his reward. This type is buried in anonymous graves because nobody cares enough to provide for a decent funeral or even a gravestone. In my neck of the woods, about eight people die each year whose bodies remain unclaimed. They are cremated, and their ashes are scattered in a field, and nobody remembers that they even exist. This is your future if you feel that God gives you permission to disrespect others.

wandakate

The daughter was being SELFISH…she was being STUBBORN, and thus following her own feelings. It was “all” about pleasing herself. It wasn’t about pleasing or following GOD in the beginning, it was always about “ME”, “ME” and at the end of the day it was all about “ME”.

This relationship with this other woman of the same sex was about them, “not” about GOD. It was what made “them” feel good. We strive to please ourselves regardless of what that will cost us in the end.

Before we commit to JESUS, we “must” count the cost of our salvation…
It will cost us many things, time, money and personality and in the end it may even cost us “death” and cause us to miss out on the Kingdom of GOD (heaven), but JESUS told us that would happen and said that we would be BLESSED if we were persecuted for His namesake (Matthew 5:1-12).

Amos Moses – He>i

the daughter was acting according to her nature …. selfish self interest ….. and yes “ME, ME, ME” ………

wandakate

I think we can call it the LUST OF THE FLESH!!!

Amos Moses – He>i

yup ……..

brucewang

What a surprise, your thoroughly reasonable and respectable post to Amos just got “noped”.

RWH

After a while, I don’t bother responding to Amos. All he can do is to insult others by cavalierly dismissing their ideas in the most crude manner possible. It’s a symptom of a person will little education and ill breeding. Somewhere across the line, his parents failed him in raising a son who is able to play well with others. Scripture says something about throwing pearls at the feet of swine. They will not only reject what one has to say but they will go one step further by demeaning others at a very hurtful, personal level. And what makes things so bad is that he attributes his poor manners to God’s will in his life.

wandakate

GOD and OBEDIENCE and the coming KINGDOM OF GOD is what is supposed to matter the most.
The very first of our 10 commandments tells us to WORSHIP the LORD thy GOD. Have NO other gods before me…
GOD first, family and friends after that, and in that order.

Amos Moses – He>i

amen ………

InTheChurch

Good luck to the couple. They clearly understand their position with God.

wandakate

The main thing that this couple don’t understand is that GOD “hates” what they have done.
They don’t understand that unless they confess, repent and forsake this whole thing neither of them will be going to HEAVEN, the coming Kingdom of GOD on earth for their eternity.
They don’t understand that what they have done is from satan, and not approved of by GOD whatsoever…they is MUCH that they do NOT understand and as for their position with GOD, GOD already settled that in his word when he told us about homosexuality…

InTheChurch

Everything your just wrote is truth. This couple knows the truth, the word of God and how things work with God. They choice to live contrary to the truth. Great post.

wandakate

Appreciate the comment (Great post). The Bible does tell us that when we know the truth, the truth will set us free. It means “spiritually free”, so we can discern truth from error and know the things of GOD and understand it better.

The problem with man today is that they DO NOT want any truth. They have itching ears that want to hear fake gospel messages that will sooth them and make them “feel good” about everything. Live in sin all week and show up on Sunday morning.
The preachers don’t tell them the truth, b/c they don’t want to offend anybody, they don’t want them to leave and not return and most of all they don’t want to see offering plates that don’t have much money in them.
Many of today’s pastors are the blind leading the blind and both will fall into the ditch in the end…We must let people know the real word of GOD, the real TRUTH. People in most churches are going to smile and be kind to you until you let them know something that they do not agree with and then all the sudden they’re not smiling any longer, you have offended them and now they do NOT want to get to know you, why? b/c they didn’t want the truth in the first place…Sorry but that’s the truth.

ZappaSaid88

“All you need to remember is that Twanna is my daughter, and I love her, and I have her back no matter what she does, and that’s why I’ll be there.” – Thank you Mom!! Nothing worse than a parent willing to throw away their own children for a book of myths.

Amos Moses – He>i

nothing worse than a “parent” that will not discipline their child for the sake of FASHION …

ZappaSaid88

The child is too old to be disciplined by her mommy.

Amos Moses – He>i

nope … no she is not ….. she cant spank her … but that is not the end of discipline nor is it the end of the parents responsibility ………

brucewang

What loving act do you recommend? Shunning? Humiliating? Defacing her property? Shaming? Disfellowshipping?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………

brucewang

That’s known as “answering without answering”. We know from your posts how much you understand about real love.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …… yet again ………

brucewang

Except you didn’t, because you clearly don’t know how.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ….. again ……

brucewang

You took the time to type “ignored…..again …..” so tell me how in any reasonable definition this is ignoring me.

Beamer

So please tell us how to discipline a grown child. I’m sure a lot of us would like to know that.

But I was serious Amos, How do you discipline a grown child? I seriously do not know how to, and I’ve got 3 grown children. What you tell me, could be a real help to me with my kids. Please? I promise I won’t fight with you!

Amos Moses – He>i

what this father did ……..

Beamer

So by becoming estranged from your child is supposed to discipline them?
That’s not as simple as it sounds like it is. Not if there is love in the mixture, which is why the mother could not deny her daughter.

Amos Moses – He>i

the child is in rebellion to the parents and to God … and is showing no understanding they are under authority ….. and they are the ones responsible for their “estrangement” as they CHOSE to do so ….. as they have rejected that authority and to be under it …. if a child commits a crime …. it is not the parents duty to do anything but to bring them back under authority for correction of their error ….. that is the “love” these two require ….. the act of these two is a disrespect of God and their parents beliefs ….. and unfortunately they are not, at this time, listening to them …….

wandakate

Usually we agree, and you do make a valid point (your own opinion), however these two women make their own decisions now. They are grown women, they are not still children.
Having respect for ones parents is one thing, but remember they do have a free will and they are now capable of making their own decisions regardless of whether they are right or wrong in their parents eyes. Regardless of whether they are right or wrong in GOD’s eyes. They will reap what they sow from now on. They will be accountable to only GOD. They will suffer GOD’s consequences. And that’s how it is.

Beamer

Most kids once they are out of the house will not care if the parent doesn’t agree with their lives. Especially if the parents were controlling and restrictive.
It would be great if it worked, but being estranged from a child you love, is much harder than just refusing to go to their lesbian wedding.
I pray you never have to deal with that in your life, Amos. It’s not a happy way to live, regardless of the reason.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………..

Beamer

why? I was not trying to disagree with you. I was just telling you that most children that leave the house will not be concerned with what their parents think of their lives.
How was that anything to warrant “ignored”?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………

Amos Moses – He>i

any conversation with you is a bottomless pit of false theology ………….

Beamer

Thanks appreciate the insult. You just don’t like the fact that I can prove my belief with the scriptures that you ignore. If you would listen and read them you would know the Truth. But that is up to you to look to see if I am right. It’s YOUR salvation, not mine! And if you don’t follow Jesus you won’t have salvation. Good luck and remember don’t reply to anything I say.
It was fun while it lasted, and to be honest I quite enjoyed it. You and I had some great discussions for a while.
Take care of yourself and your soul Amos.
God bless you!

Amos Moses – He>i

again … bottomless pit theology …….. not an insult …. an apt description of your theology …… L8TR ……… but not really …….

Beamer

Since you replied…. Those things are in your point of view. The majority of True Christians believe the way I do. So I think that makes it more likely that your theology is in need to review, not mine.
Actually it IS an insult and trying to make it like it is not, is even worse. You have to acknowledge your sins and you are sinning when you make it sound like someone is not following the Lords Word in all ways when I keep proving to you that it says everything I have said in scriptures. I proved it by posting those scriptures. You could never quite prove your point, because it does not include the things Jesus told us to do, and since the Bible states it very clearly that we must do what Jesus told us to do. Your belief that you are required to do nothing for salvation is too limited according to what Jesus said here:
Luke 6:47-49
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and DOETH them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on
a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house,
and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and DOETH NOT, is like a man that without a foundation built
an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and
immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
I did tell you not to reply!!

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………

Beamer

Now Amos, we’ve been all through this. If you reply you are not ignoring me!
And because you replied, I am replying to you like I told you I would.
I do wish you would at least read the scripture I gave you, but it’s your salvation, not mine. Mine is secured.
Now remember! DO NOT REPLY…. DO NOT POST AN IGNORE!!
or I will reply to it again.

wandakate

IF you stop replying to his comments he WILL go away. You’re just aggravating one another. When people do this to me I ignore them (not easy) but I do it, b/c there is no point in continuing to take up your time to write somebody that is ignoring what you write…Make sense?

Beamer

Yup and I would but it is because of the way he just says “ignore” then replies to my reply. lol! He just won’t understand that replying that is not ignoring the post. You can see by how I stress the not reply and I won’t reply in the post.
I have no problem not replying to him if he would not reply to mine. But he keeps replying instead of ignoring it.
I would / have ignored people who are rude to me, or attack me when they don’t know me at all.
Amos, well he’s just Amos! You just gotta love him, you know?
Thanks for your reply Wandakate!
God bless!

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………

wandakate

James plainly warns us that our FAITH without our WORKS is dead faith. James said, “Can faith alone save you?” His answer was “NO” it will not.
Our words without our actions, works, deeds, commitment etc. are NOT worth anything. Actions are equal to or louder than words. We DO NOT work to be saved, b/c we are saved by GOD’s grace, however we should be willing workers afterwards to show our loyalty and commitment to GOD.
Many will say to JESUS on that day, LORD, LORD, but ONLY the ones who do the will of the FATHER GOD will be in the Kingdom of GOD (heaven).
JESUS said in Revelation, “Behold I come quickly and my REWARD is with Me to give to each according to his WORKS shall be. So, our words do matter, even thought most Christians don’t think so.

Beamer

Jesus plainly told us that we need to do what he showed us and become more like the way He is and love everyone the way He loves us. He told us many things to do in the NT that he wants us to follow. As the scripture said in the post I did with Amos, he states that if you don’t do it, He will not recognize you. He wants us to be the light that bring people to God and he tells us to love and care about other people. I’m not talking about doing works, I’m talking about what Jesus told us to behave like. It’s not works it’s obeying and doing our duty as Christians the way Jesus laid out in the NT.
I do believe that everything we do matters to God. Amos does not and although I’ve tried he won’t even consider the scriptures I have given him to prove it to him. Jesus told us to tell a brother/sister to tell each other if they are making a mistake and I have tried to tell him, I really want to try to help him help his own salvation. But as I said, he will not listen.
Thanks for your reply!

wandakate

I totally agree…Haven’t seen mine in about 7 years now. Neither of them are Christians and they don’t like it b/c I am for one thing. They are both stubborn and into the world and the things of the world. JESUS told us to be IN the world, but NOT of the world. They are both. I LOVE them both but we do not see eye to eye. I pray for them to find the love of JESUS before it’s too late. I have 5 grandchildren, and don’t see them either b/c I don’t see their mom’s.

Beamer

That’s sad that you are estranged from your kids and grandkids.
I am so sorry that they are treating you so harshly.
Do you talk about your faith a lot when you are/were around them?
I just don’t talk about it a lot when they are around because it makes them leave early.
I still pray that he will take care of my children as he gave them to me as gifts. I wasn’t supposed to have any because of a medical condition and the Lord blessed me 3 times.
Praying is all we can do for our children now.
I will pray for something to stir up your kids so they will plead with you to let them see you. (make sure you hesitate if they call!!)
Well, take heart, we are sisters and I love you and care about you. Being a part of a church makes me feel so much better about my own family by being my family and supporting me through it all.
God bless!

wandakate

Actually NO I didn’t talk about it a lot but they knew that I was saved and wanted them to be too, but the oldest daughter told me years ago that they just didn’t get enough church or any teaching growing up so now that they’re both grown they can make their own decisions. They both decided to take the easy way out. My husband was NOT saved and they just followed after their dad. They were BOTH from the beginning “daddy’s girls”. They always got along better with him than they did with me, and why that is I will never know. He was much harder on them than I ever was.
He passed away in May of 2011 so it’s been over 6 yrs. now. I have not seen any of them since before he passed away. When he died it hurt them both, but the youngest more so than the older one and especially her little girl who was only about 5 or so at that time, and she cried her eyes out missing Papa…She didn’t understand at that age where Papa had gone and why he wasn’t coming back…
As of right now there is NO relationship at all and no I do not talk to them. I have a hearing impairment and don’t do phones, so I don’t hear on them. I text and e-mail and that’s it. Neither of them choose to contact me and the oldest one does have my ph. number for texting and my e-mail as well.
They are selfish and care about themselves apparently.

Do you still have your husband? And what state do you live in? Do you have a decent relationship with your grown children?
Just curious…
I live in West Virginia right now with my doggie. I feel very alone and miss my family terribly but GOD is still good.
He watches over me and gives me an angel to make sure I’m okay. I’ve been through ALOT, but I’ve always made it. I think the more we go through the stronger we become and the more our faith increases.

Beamer

Yes my husband is alive. We grew up together more or less. I met him when I was 15 and he was 17. I have a great relationship with my youngest, a cautious relationship with my eldest, but I am estranged from my middle son.

I live in Canada and my sister and 2 of my brothers are also alive with families and grandchildren but we were not connected for a couple of decades actually, and by the time we got back together, I was attending church and they were well, they were not the type of people God wants us to hang around with. I felt so strange when my parents died in 2012 during the various things my sister put together for us. It did not feel like it was my family anymore. We get along, but we don’t talk very often at all. My oldest brother was the closest to me, and he died in 2010 3 months after I joined the church. God of course, planned well. He led me step by step to my church and the first time I went as a visitor, I felt like God told me that “this” was home. And that it was where I belonged. It was.

My husband has a broken neck that went back together with a nerve pinched between the pieces. It means he can’t work, so he’s been put on our disability benefits. I am not able to work for a whole bunch of medical things so we are together a lot and it helps me to keep sane about knowing my kids are out there and all these things in the world.
My middle son has told everyone that he talks to that if we talk to me about him, he will cut contact with that person, so I can’t even know anything about him anymore. That’s hard knowing that the time is coming. But I still text and get visited once in a while – holidays and my birthday mostly. I continue to ask God to bless them all the time and I always remind him to bring my son home to me. I know God is real. He’s shown me proof so I could believe without question. He is so incredible with the things he blesses me with it’s amazing. I love nature and he’s always given me things to see around me – and now I photograph them too.
Any way, I don’t think we are supposed to get to know each other here, so we’d be better to do this in dribs and drabs so it isn’t too much at a time.
You take care and we will talk more if you are going to be around. God bless you Wandakate.

wandakate

Brrrrrr, too cold in Canada for me. I am cold natured so I don’t deal with that well. It’s cold enough in W.V. for me.
What we were writing seems more like an e-mail and isn’t actually suitable here, therefore I guess it must stop, b/c Its not wise for either of us to give e-mail addresses here or physical addresses either, so sorry. I’ll look for your comments though and forget about Amos Moses, you two are now going head to head and at that point nothing works!!!

Beamer

Yes that is why I said we should keep our stuff short and with other comments.
I was born in Canada so I am able to cope with the cold when it is actually cold, these last few years it has hardly snowed let alone been very cold.
I think we’d get along pretty well if we met. You sound like you are a down to earth Christian rather than one that has a God who is hateful, and angry, I believe Jesus was trying hard to make us love each other so we won’t sin against each other.
Both the Love each other as I have loved you, and the Treat people the way you want to be treated are along those lines.
It would be nice to find a way to connect away from here with a couple of people, but they don’t have private messages here. Maybe someday…
God bless Wandakate, and thanks for replying!!

Beamer

By the way, Thank you for the reply. I do appreciate it.

wandakate

Only in actions and deeds can we do that in my opinion. However I have 2 grown daughters and I came to realize that once they are 18 they are considered grown. They make their own decisions, they decide for themselves. We have a free will and children grow up and can decide right and wrong within themselves. They will follow GOD or they won’t. They will listen to authority out in the world and their parents or they won’t. At this point in time you can only “advise” your children. They’re too old to spank, put in time out, or take the phone away from them for a week…so now once they are of age, we must step back, let them grow and make their own decisions, b/c our childhood discipline days have ended.
Be a friend and advise, make suggestions, bring out points that are valid, but you can’t any longer control. I do sincerely hope this helps. GOD bless you. It’s tough being a parent or a grandparent for that matter.

Beamer

Thank you Wandakate. I agree with you.
I always gave my children independence as soon as they were able to handle whatever it is they wanted to do. My son at 2 was able to make his own scrambled eggs in the microwave and felt wonderful because of it. I let my kids do anything that they wanted to try, as long as they had some direction, there were no big problems.
I even let them learn how to pour liquid from one thing to another in the bathtub so they could pour their own milk for cereal.
I see parents doing up coats and tying shoes for kids who are 6 or 7 and I cringe from the thought of how rough it will be on them when they do grow up if they don’t have some independence soon.
You are quite right about our beliefs too. I think that Jesus wants every individual to choose to follow him when they are old enough to understand that commitment. It takes belief, but it also takes commitment to grow in the Lord. A lot of Christians teenagers are not ready to commit to something and so they often turn to Jesus later in their lives, if they do at all.

Thanks for your reply. I pray your children and grandchildren will always know the Love that the Lord has for all of us! God bless!

wandakate

You are SO welcome. My 2 girls had the independence however I was lacking in my knowledge of discipline on the spot and would wait until daddy could handle it and that was a SUPER BIG mistake on my part. In the long run I gained NO respect.
Also as far as being Christian, my husband did NOT like organized religion at all and didn’t want any part of church. So my girls were NOT exposed to anything enough, not nearly enough and are not today as a result of not having a biblical foundation saved. That is my number one regret in life and I have asked the LORD over and over to forgive me of that b/c it was not what I was supposed to be doing in obedience as to what GOD told me to do…SO as I said before we ALL make mistakes.

Beamer

Yes we do make mistakes. We are after all only flesh.
We didn’t start going to church until after our kids were out of the house. I taught them the Lord’s Prayer and that God existed, but at that point I knew not much else.
My husband was Catholic and hated it. Swore he’d never go to another church ever. He joined me to support me while I visited, and now we are both full members of our church.

I went the other way, when my husband was with the kids, if they asked for something, he’d ask what I would have said. Oddly, they were always honest and didn’t get to do some of the stuff because of it.

Otherwise, they would have to wait until mom got home to ask her. My husband used to shrug and tell them that they had to ask “The Boss” lol!
As they grew older, they listened to both of us.
The biggest thing that I think we did that most people don’t do, is to show the kids the respect we wanted in return. We always got down to their level (height) and talked to them instead of getting mad about their mistakes. We were lucky because our kids were smart and didn’t usually forget a lesson, but we had no problems with them acting out, or getting into trouble at home or outside of it. Now they respect others and treat them properly too.
I do regret not being a church goer when my kids were small. They have no interest in it and actually tell me the bible is a fairy tale, sadly.
I keep praying that God will bring them to him like he did me later in their lives.
I guess it’s something we all pray for when our kids reject our faiths.
God has already forgiven you. You don’t need to ask for forgiveness from him, you have to allow yourself to forgive yourself. It’s not your fault if you didn’t have control. God knows that you wanted to, that you tried, and that they rejected Him. He won’t blame you for it. Please forgive yourself. God will have trouble forgiving you if you can’t forgive yourself. It’s done and over anyway, there sounds like there is nothing you can do to change the matter. Keep being a good person and keep praying he will bring them to him. But don’t forget that we all fail without God leading us. He knew we would fail because of our fleshy desires, and he has already forgiven us for those failures. You didn’t fail if your kids are good people, (or even if they are not) Wandakate. Let Go and Let God take care of it for you. You should not have to carry that burden of guilt when God said to lay our burdens on him. We all have things we wish we had done differently in our lives, and we all have to let them go so we can live with the joy and peace that God has promised us.
I pray that you will find peace and that God will turn your children to him. Amen

Lee Cumbie

The biggest problem is wanting to be a child’s best buddy. You should never relinquish the parenting role, your sense of responsibility to the child, or your demand for respect from your child. It is not the most fun sometimes but it is vital.
To discipline a grown child, you have to make known your displeasure about their choice, back it up with solid argument on why your disapprove, and then hold the line without ultimatums or hysterics. Just because your child makes a mistake doesn’t mean you abandon the child, you have the responsibility to bring the lost sheep back into the fold, even if it takes years. But it also doesn’t mean blindly supporting their mistakes either (as the mother espoused in this situation).
The biggest favor parents can do their children is to provide a united front on big issues so the child never begins trying to play parents against each other. The child loses their sense of moral definition and the parent loses the respect of the child.

Beamer

I do agree that you should not be buddies with your children, but there is a place that you can be a friend and a parent without problems. As long as they know you are the authority while they are in your house, there is no reason why you can’t be like friends once in a while. The closer you get to your child, the more likely that they will follow you into your commitment to Christ.
Otherwise, I don’t exactly agree, as a mother of 3 grown children. I wasn’t Christian when they were young, so perhaps that made a difference to how I look at it now that I am.
I believe that respect goes both ways, and we as parents earn more respect by treating them with respect as well. It doesn’t mean you don’t teach them your values, because at a young age teaching them about life skills is important, but if your children respect you it doesn’t mean they will agree with you. You can disagree with anyone and that doesn’t mean there is no respect. And that is just as much of a good thing as a bad. I taught my children to be independent and to know what is right and wrong and they remember that they need to make good choices. Just because we don’t agree doesn’t mean we should be overbearing either. Any parent that insists they are right and the grown child had better agree is living in a dream world, especially in this world.
Children need to find their way to Jesus just like anyone and if the parent is giving them a good basis for them to live, then they will follow it. If not then why should they listen to us? Jesus knows that there will be people who won’t come until later in life, I was one of them (I was 52) and all fighting with them about the way they live their life will do is make the situation worse. Kids will resist God the more you try to push it on them. Most people are like that about anything that is pushed on them.
If you follow Jesus then you know that we should love everyone and that we can only try to help people turn to Jesus. we cannot force them. I’d rather still have my child in my life than end up never seeing or hearing from them because I am Christian and they don’t want anything to do with it. Without me being in their lives, they might never find out what an amazing God we have because there is never a guarantee they have another person in their lives that will teach them.
We are to be the light of the world, and our children should be the first to see our light, but if they don’t, we should not hide our light, we should let it shine all the more brighter so they can’t miss it and want it.
Blessings.

ZappaSaid88

Yet just a few posts below this one you say this “at some point the child is responsible for their actions and not the parents ………. ” – flip flop flip flop….flip….flop…..

Amos Moses – He>i

right … and the positions are not inconsistent with each other …. the child bears responsibility for their life and life decisions ……. the parent will always be the parent …. the parent has a life long responsibility to the child …. not to anyone but the child …. to correct the child when the child is in error …. because that is the loving thing to do ….. and the Father exercised his responsibility to the child …. the child is resisting correction …..

wandakate

These two women, please remember are NOT children any longer, yet you all keep referring to them as children.
Children are to behave and be corrected by the parents/guardian, however once they are of the age of accountability (around 12) they know right from wrong. And once they are 18, (some places 21) they are considered ADULTS, and they will behave and do what they want to do from that time on.
Guidance perhaps, advise perhaps, suggestions, but that’s about it b/c they are “now” ADULTS.

Amos Moses – He>i

they will always be the children of the parent …. nothing erases that relationship …. that reality is set in stone …….. now they, at a certain point, become legally and morally responsible for their actions …. and the parent is no longer responsible for them in that sense ….. but as fellow IMAGO DIE, image bearers of God, and as children of the parents, they still have a duty to bring them back to the right path …. “Am I my brothers keeper” ….. YUP …. we surely are ….. it is not a duty that if failed at is a sin or anything like that ….. but we have a duty to speak the truth to them even if they do not want to hear it as we do with any other non-believer …. and sometimes that duty is best expressed as the action of non-participation in what they are doing ……… and refusal to participate in their lives as long as they persist ….. and to make it understood that the reason for their non-participation is due to THEIR actions, not the parents …… it is upon the daughter that this is occurring … not the parent ….. the parent is performing their duty …. the daughter is not ….

wandakate

She should have been disciplined as she was growing up. Now that she’s a adult she makes her own decision and thus will be responsible for them to GOD. She will reap what she has sown.

wandakate

Be ye in the world but NOT of the world said JESUS. Mom should have been teaching her daughter the things of GOD instead of the things of this evil world. She (Twanna) should have been learning what the LORD wanted and expected of her instead of what the laws of this land said were accepted.
If Twanna had read the scriptures she would know full well that GOD hates sin, GOD hates homosexual unions. Mom messed up and unless all 3 of them make some drastic changes they will NOT be in the coming Kingdom of GOD, b/c GOD told them that they wouldn’t be…end of story. It’s about GOD’s word and our obedience, not about man’s laws and our disobedience! Her daddy (bless his soul) was RIGHT all along but apparently the daughter was too deceived and stubborn to listen to her daddy and thus she has sealed her own fate.

MasterSiptah

These women are not ministers or women of God. This is blatant disobedience to God’s word and the work of Satan in these last days. The father is correct in shunning this abomination. Why bother with pretending to be Christian and toting a Bible around if you are just going to defecate over all of it. I will tell you why, it is Satan’s work in the world today, leading people astray using their false feelings and love.

Wesley Willis

how dare you tell them what they are or what they are not. what gives you the authority to decide that?

(dont say “god” because then i will say “god told them they are right and you are wrong”)

MasterSiptah

I do dare and I do have the authority to do so in the name of God. Followers of Christ are to speak out against the evil and wickedness of this world. Open your Bible and read it, ask for understanding of the Word. It is plain as the nose on your face and quite clear on these matters.

No God did not tell them that they are right, for the Word of God is right there for all to see if they but take the time. It is Satan who is running this show for now and it is this that is telling all these people that it is right to disobey God.

Crosseyedone

Well said. “Gods Word” gives us authority.

Wesley Willis

But if the woman claims she heard it directly from god, how can you say that? Did you read my text that’s in parentheses?

Crosseyedone

So did muhammad, or at least his wife did. He firmly believed it was the devil talking to him, his wife convinced him otherwise. Time and ‘fruits” have proved he was right. Just because someone thinks they are a duck doesn’t mean they are one. Likewise just because someone believes God spoke to them does not necessarily mean it is so.

wandakate

ABSOLUTELY MasterSiptah. GOD made the rules in the beginning, “not” mortal man. Our problem is that we don’t want to go by what GOD wanted, we want to do things our own evil way and follow satan b/c his ways are easier, and not so hard for us to follow, they require no effort on our part.
YES, satan is the god of this evil world and he is the one running the show. See Rev. 11:15-19. JESUS will return to earth and take possession of it away from satan.
JESUS plainly told us that satan would come and take over until He (JESUS) returned to earth. He will do that very thing, but until then we are under the rule of the evil one, so no wonder things are “ALL” messed up down here on planet earth. No wonder we have “ALL” of our sins right out in the open for all to see. No wonder we’ve made such a mess of things.
Satan is the father of all LIES, and we are a very deceived people, very confused and very lost unfortunately.
Only “after” JESUS returns will things change for the better. In the meantime it will be just as we were warned that it would be, “hell on earth”. Things will just continue to get worse and worse.
We “must” confess now. We “must” repent now. We “must” forsake our sins now and turn to JESUS while we still have time, before it’s too late, otherwise we’re doomed to hell.
We create our own destiny. We have a free will don’t we? We make our own way. We decide our own fate. GOD send nobody to hell, they send themselves b/c of their sins and wickedness. Loving GOD and “obedience” goes hand in hand.
JESUS said, “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.”

Wesley Willis

I have read the Bible. Well, the English version that was translated and copied and translated many times. I’ve also read many other books.

“No God did not tell them that they are right”

I don’t understand how you can know this.

“It is Satan who is running this show for now”

Why doesn’t god stop him or change it? Isn’t he supposed to be all powerful? An all powerful being should be able to do something this simple.

wandakate

Since you don’t pray Wesley then I wouldn’t think that you know about GOD, b/c if you did know about GOD then you would pray to Him. You would confess your sins, you would repent of your sins, and you would then forsake ALL of them. You would love, honor, obey, trust and serve Him as to the best of your ability.
We are to judge righteously, and YES they are wrong (very wrong) in doing what they have done, b/c not according to me, but according to the word of GOD Almighty it’s an abomination against the LORD, and he “HATES” it. It’s one of the biggest sins that a human can commit. GOD didn’t create man to be with man or woman to be with woman, he created the two of them to be with each other and pro-create and fill the earth. If he would have wanted Adam to have a male help mate then He certainly would have created one. As we know that is NOT what GOD did…
Before you can comment about what we should and shouldn’t be doing perhaps you need to sit down and see what the instruction book tells us is RIGHT and what is WRONG is GOD’s eyes, “not” in the eyes of mortal man.

They are NOT (according to GOD) married at all. They have wasted their time. They are joined into a “man-made” union on the earth and it’s WRONG. Just b/c man has decided to go against “all” that GOD wanted and change the rules does not by any means mean that it’s right or acceptable. GOD does NOT accept this union or any other union that has been made under man’s terms (laws) and not in accordance with the laws of Almighty GOD.

I TOTALLY 110% agree with her dad and I would NOT have attended that ceremony either. Either we follow GOD or we don’t. There is no in between there, no grey area to be colored in. GOD saw things in black or white, right or wrong, male and female.
We’re either trying to please GOD or we are pleasing satan, one or the other. We’re either going to the coming Kingdom of GOD(heaven) on earth when it’s over, or we are going to spend our eternity in hell with satan, his demons, the antichrist and the false prophet and that’s the way it turns out.

Wesley Willis

“Since you don’t pray Wesley then I wouldn’t think that you know about GOD, b/c if you did know about GOD then you would pray to Him.”

Close. I would pray to the god AFTER he proved to me that he was there. So far, I haven’t seen any evidence of it and have no reason to pray to that god. Same reason I don’t pray to the other thousands of gods that are supposedly out there.

wandakate

Wesley, let me tell you that there is ONLY one GOD (one real GOD that is). There are many other FALSE gods out there, but only one creator of heaven and earth.
Also, allow me to inform you that GOD can’t be “seen” Your evidence is in what you see in this beautiful world. It’s also in your breath, the breath that you breathe. GOD is the one who gives you life and breath. He gave you His spirit when you were born (thus you breathed) and when you die GOD will take away that spirit, your last breath and you will not be here living anymore.
GOD is like the wind Wesley, do we see the wind? NO, we hear it blowing, and we can feel the wind (the breeze) but we don’t actually SEE the wind. GOD is there b/c we know He is there, but we do NOT actually visually “see” Him. GOD is a “spirit”, but JESUS CHRIST (was a human) in the flesh just like you and I are.
We ALL (you and I) need a Savior. We can’t save ourselves. JESUS CHRIST died so that we might have eternal life when that time comes. He made it possible for you and I to be able to live on (spiritually) even after our earthly mortal bodies have died and gone to the grave.
It’s more detailed than this, but I just wanted you to know that GOD can’t be see, but He is everywhere and He’s in the beauty of the earth that we call home.
When we trust and believe that’s called faith. And by faith we know that we have eternal life…
I hope some of this is making some sense to you and that you will eventually give GOD (the only real one) a chance.
Believe it or not He loves you and wants a relationship with you so that He can be your heavenly FATHER…Blessings.

Chet

God never tells anybody anything that is not in complete agreement with His Word, the Holy Bible…

Wesley Willis

What about the other Christians that disagree with you? Let me guess – they aren’t real Christians, right?

Chet

Sure thing, other Christians can disagree with me just as any unsaved man can, I’m no authority. God Almighty reigns supreme in time, earth and space and no one can disagree with His edicts no matter how they identify themselves. It is He who separates the sheep from the goats and the wheat from the tares. He knows those that are His and as well, those of the Devil’s crowd…

ter ber

We need to go no further than God’s Word to realize when we are in Rebellion to Him. He makes it clear in
Proverbs 16:25
“There is a way that seems right onto Man, but in the end leads to death.”

uchsamin

Authority?……God gave me common sense and wisdom. I hear God’s instructions and I see what they do. What they do is directly against God’s Torah. Dude, you can not stand on both sides of the fence. You either follow God’s rules OR you reject them and be condemned.

Wesley Willis

So you say. They say something different. How do you know you are right and they are wrong? They would say the exact same thing about you. How do we resolve this contradiction?

God’s rules don’t appear to be very clear. There are thousands of religions and denominations that all disagree with each other. How did you determine those other ones are wrong? I presume you WANT your version to be true so you claim it as such.

uchsamin

We aren’t discussing the pagan ideas,..we are referring to God’s law.
Its not my version. It comes from God almighty.
Read this:
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

and,….Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Argue with God.

and:….You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.
They are the farthest from being Christian that can be. Condemnation awaits.

Paladin Roy

??? “master” ????

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

siptah was an old Egyptian ruler… The Lords people are not called so carnally minded.

Amos Moses – He>i

“Lesbian Ministers”

Contradiction in terms ………..

brucewang

Nope. There isn’t a book on this planet, from the holy books right down to the law books, that say they can’t be ministers.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …. once more …..

brucewang

Your Bible says nothing about lesbians not being allowed to be ministers. That’s your OWN BOOK, and if you can’t find the justification in your own book then I think you know that what you’re doing is called HYPOCRISY.

Wesley Willis

agree. one is a choice and one isnt

Amos Moses – He>i

both are choices …. they are wrong on both ………

wandakate

Amos Moses…in GOD’s eyes there are NO lesbian ministers. They are big time sinners, and unless they forsake this whole thing, they have a very dark, ugly eternity without GOD forever.

Amos Moses – He>i

yup ……..

Yvette

Pastor Gause, when you preach directly from the Word of GOD, you will not go wrong. I am of a different denomination but We can agree that when the Word of GOD is spoken the truth will hurt those who willfully go against it.

Amos Moses – He>i

OUCH …..

Revelation
3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

wandakate

It’s NOT what denomination we belong to (doesn’t matter one iota to GOD), it’s what is in our hearts. Do we know JESUS and have a relationship with him. Are we loving and caring and show compassion and patience like He taught us to do? Do we obey Him and try our best to live for Him. No we can’t be perfect, but we can strive to “obey” b/c JESUS said…

“Not everyone to said to me LORD, LORD will enter the kingdom of GOD, but “only” the ones who DO the will of the FATHER.”

Cheryl Favored Coutris

SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amos Moses – He>i

EXCELLENT G3 speech by Voddie ….. AGAIN ….. Thnx Heather ……………. FYI …. the whole speech is on utube for any that want to hear it ….. in fact all of the G3 conference is …. i think this one was from 2016 ………..

Tonya Elise

Str people do not have to worry about being murdered for
being Str. If you go to a night club having fun with friends str.
people have not worries and get drunk. But, the bigger picture
the LGBT is not out to pervert anyone or try to get more to join.
most Pedophiles are Straight. More Rapist and sexual deviants are
Str. And most talk about the LGBT for doing this. Most of the LGBT
are Gentle people just trying to get by. If you are worried if you
children will become LGBT the you need to teach then and Love them
no matter what the end is. It is not always a choice. Some time LGB
is created. A woman get raped a few times. and /or is a Abused many
times by Men would be a likely become Lesbian or bisexual. A man is
abused by a woman or mother and is emasculated and treated like crap
by women Might be a likely become Gay or Bisexual. OR Maybe a
Pedophile parent help Create a LGB. Religion. Hate is Satan’s tool.
Love is God’s Blessing to all sinners. “Judge not lest Ye be Judged” .
< . Let those without sin Cast the first stone. <<< . If you serve
HATE Satan is you Master. If you give love you are on God's Team.
Whose you Master now??? This is NOT a or should not be a Government
Party issue. This only thing they need to do is protect ALL Americans.
OK. Marriage : you do not need to call it " Marriage" call it a
"Civil Union" in Europe they have had this for yrs and they have no or
not many problems with the people. LGBT is Not a Mental issue,
no more than a Wife/spouse abuser has. 90% or more, people have
some sort of Despression issues and this a a Mental problem.
Gender-noncomforming or (Trans-people) is Not a Mental issue.
That is a Hormonal thing that happened before birth of the baby.
It is not a DNA thing either. Most people that really HATE the LGBT
hate a Mental Issue and/or are jealous that they are alone. HATE is Satan .. LOVE is God's vision . Who do you serve now ?

Amos Moses – He>i

hmmmmmm …. that is some awfully messed up theology you just spewed …………..

wandakate

I do agree that HATE is from satan and that LOVE comes from GOD, and after that I’m lost…
If we serve GOD then we will abide by what GOD wants. We will be OBEDIENT to GOD and we will in turn WORK and do good. We will not disregard what GOD has told us is wrong…
If we know what is RIGHT and we continue to do what is WRONG, then it is “SIN”…

Amos Moses – He>i

God does hate …. and if we are obedient …. then we hate what God hates and we love what God loves …. we are IMAGO DEI ….. we are in the image of God …. and if we hate then God also hates ….

wandakate

Scripture says…GOD IS LOVE. GOD does hate our SIN, but He doesn’t hate humans and wants all to be saved by the love and grace of GOD. If GOD wouldn’t approve of something then we’re not supposed to either.

Amos Moses – He>i

well we will have to disagree on that point …. God does desire that all be saved …. but God knows that only the Elect will be saved ….. and it is Gods decision … and none of that decision is ours ……… God hates the sin and the sinner as they are not separable ….. unless and/or until God intervenes ………. and we are predestined to be saved … or not …..

Amos Moses – He>i

Bizarro World Code
1. Us do opposite of all Godly things
2. Us hate beauty
3. Us love ugliness
4. Is BIG crime to make anything Godly in Bizarro world
5. Us defile all that is good

mr goody two shoes

Both church’s mentioned here are different than wels synod who have no women pastors these groups mentioned in article both have women pastors. Wels is different from them theologically in many other ways also.

uchsamin

There are many false churches with evil practices. Yashua told us; “beware of false teachers who come in sheep’s clothing but are ferocious wolves”. How can a lesbian of gay person claim to follow the true God? They can not and therefore are not from God. They are from the evil one – satan-.

uchsamin

Along with happily & proudly proclaiming they are lesbians?,…….a tattoo ?……
That is also another violation of the Torah. Descendants of the Canaanites?
How many more laws and rules do they forsake?
God knows.

Marina

Mark 10:8
and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
My guess that will be their children, so a marriage that can’t possible procreate is no a marriage is a partnership or an association.

jbg99jbg

My dear fellow Christians who are using the Holy Bible to attempt to condemn these children of GOD. Please continue to read Romans 2 “Therefore you have no excuse. O man, whoever you are, when you judge another; for in passing judgment upon him you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things.” Revised Standard Version. Christianity is about love, unconditional love. Love your neighbor as yourself and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. GOD is all inclusive, we are all GOD’s children.

ThroatwobblerMangrove

That was very nice.

Robin Egg

Why do you people just allow these trolls to take over the thread? They are only antagonizing you and playing games for their entertainment. And you fuel it by engaging them. Please stop engaging them and block them. They will go away without anyone to combat with.

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