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Well, I am beginning with Macross 7 ( anything to bridge the long wait between Frontier episodes <sob, whine> ), and I must say, being at episode 5, I am enjoying the campiness of it all more than I expected. As long as I ignore the atrocious animation, bad music and that idiot Basara, that is... Oh, well, who knows if it will get better.

HEY!! thats classic anime music you are dissing!
the rest...I agree on >>

Well, I am beginning with Macross 7 ( anything to bridge the long wait between Frontier episodes <sob, whine> ), and I must say, being at episode 5, I am enjoying the campiness of it all more than I expected. As long as I ignore the atrocious animation, bad music and that idiot Basara, that is... Oh, well, who knows if it will get better.

Around episode ~12 it starts picking up, and then around... ~24? or so it really starts picking up. It's not a serious mecha show at all, but it's a really, really fun show, and has alot of heart.

Well, I am beginning with Macross 7 ( anything to bridge the long wait between Frontier episodes <sob, whine> ), and I must say, being at episode 5, I am enjoying the campiness of it all more than I expected. As long as I ignore the atrocious animation, bad music and that idiot Basara, that is... Oh, well, who knows if it will get better.

Oh the music is great actually!

It's music that you can either strum along with or pick up on the guitar riffs rather quickly...especially Basara and Mylene's "Holy Lonely Night"...awesome song!

And you can't diss Emilia's "Heart and Soul" that is just the epitome of "Emilia Greatness" along with her "Flash in the Dark." (Only found in the Macross 7 movie)

Heh didn't Millia try to set Miho Miho up with Gamlin during that one ep where she thought she was dieing?

Gamlin was one of her start students, no way she'd try to set him up with some one that couldn't end up "sexy like mommy".

I like the way you say it like Miho is another daughter of Millia.

Yeah well Millia said that to Basara trying to set him up with Mylene, being a mom that intefered too much with her daughters affairs no wonder they left the house. Two becoming rockstars.

Lol at Flower girl at the time of their conversation figeting about the proposed marriage.

Gamlin was like... Aww hell weren't you setting me up with your underage daughter before? What a bridge officer? She looks like a loli. I'm not Hikaru Ichigyo who juggles between a bridge officer and a pop idol. Besides I saw this girl once with my squad captain!

Too bad the VFX pilot doesn't have a name. From there we can make a fictional love triangle with Miho Miho and Aoi Tsuwabuki.

I started watching the first 2 episodes, and found that the premise is much more interesting then Macross F. "The main character is a 21 year old rock band member who sings while piloting his mecha successfully. Who is actually doing it because he wants everyone to see how awesome he is, while fighting other giant robots." While in Macross F "We have your typical angst teenager, who hates his dad, and rushes off the become a pilot, because he wants to protect a girl he just met from the aliens in star shiptroopers"

"I am only comparing premises, not the overall plots of series both shows."

To me the former sounds a lot more interesting then the latter. However, I haven't watched Macross 7 aside from the first 2 episodes, so the rest of the series could be extremely boring for all I know. So why is it hated? Was it boring, was it silly? Is it actually loved by all, and the sites I visited where just a vocal Minority? I would assume Macross 7 was actually liked since it apparently made a several spin offs relating specifically to it.

I started watching the first 2 episodes, and found that the premise is much more interesting then Macross F. "The main character is a 21 year old rock band member who sings while piloting his mecha successfully. Who is actually doing it because he wants everyone to see how awesome he is, while fighting other giant robots." While in Macross F "We have your typical angst teenager, who hates his dad, and rushes off the become a pilot, because he wants to protect a girl he just met from the aliens in star shiptroopers"

"I am only comparing premises, not the overall plots of series both shows."

To me the former sounds a lot more interesting then the latter. However, I haven't watched Macross 7 aside from the first 2 episodes, so the rest of the series could be extremely boring for all I know. So why is it hated? Was it boring, was it silly? Is it actually loved by all, and the sites I visited where just a vocal Minority? I would assume Macross 7 was actually liked since it apparently made a several spin offs relating specifically to it.

Your synopsis for both series is so negative and shallow it pretty much makes both shows sound equally horrible.

Your synopsis for both series is so negative and shallow it pretty much makes both shows sound equally horrible.

I was trying to make a description it in one sentence, of course it sounds "shallow". Anything sounds shallow when you try to describe it in one sentence. I didn't want to make a several paragraph long post about Macross F. I also couldn't make a long description about Macross 7, with only seeing two episodes unless I made an entire summary of both episodes. Also, you didn't answer my question.

Also note when I said "I am only comparing premises, not the overall plots of series both shows."

"The premise of a film or screenplay is the fundamental concept that drives the plot." Not a summary of the series.

To tell you the truth, I lost interest in Macross 7 halfway through the show so it would be unfair for me to give you an overall opinion on it.

Regardless, what you wrote up there is not the premise of Macross Frontier.

Fair enough,

I think it described the main characters drive for most of the series. His self-conflicts, and his issues with his father are constantly being enforced throughout the series, and his main reason for joining

It's not that it's hated. The series lack many things. It's a good overall series but it's not something Macross world can be proud of. There is little to no character development. The pacing of the series is horrid, you can fall asleep and wake up a few episodes later and you still know what's going on. Presentation of the plot is nowhere near as good as in other series.