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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

He talked to Vogel and he told him that he wants Paul George guarding the best player on the other team and in the east a lot of the best players are small forwards(Lebron, Melo, Deng, etc) so Danny is going to guard some small guards.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Vogel has already said Danny is going to start when he comes back. I seriously have a hard time believing Danny is going to play the 2. The options of who plays where are pretty limited.

Small-ball with David moving to the #5?

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

I'm just ready to see what happens when Danny comes back soon. Whether it is Danny or Lance coming off the bench, that is still a huge upgrade to the second unit. This seems to be a good problem to have in the near future.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Sure. Would Deng score more points on Danny? Maybe, although Danny generally guards him well. But they got 34 points out of their SG spot. Paul George cuts that in half, Deng scores an extra 3 buckets on Danny, and we're still coming out ahead by 12 points.

I thought it worked out beautifully the way it was. Deng has given us fits at times over the last few years and for me it was nice to see someone shut him down for a change.

Plus, I don't want Paul George chasing someone like Bellinelli off of screens all night. He is way too important to our offense to waste energy chasing a shooter around. I want him on the guy who can break the defense down, not the guy who wants to shoot over the top of it.

Obviously this might have something to do with me wanting Granger out of Lance's way, but whatever.

it would be awesome. Danny is both offensive and defensively better than Lance. The size of Pacer wings would make it a nightmare matchup for the other side. For example, how could Belinelli have guarded Paul George. Nor would be have been able to get shots as easily vs Paul as he did vs Lance. Even better when Paul learns to post guys up.

I disagree, Granger isn't better than Lance at anything on offense anymore except maybe shooting 3's. He doesn't handle the ball as well, he doesn't move without the ball as good, he can't pass as well, he doesn't rebound any better, and he shoots a much lower %. He just takes more shots and scores more points.

And on defense the only thing Granger does better than Lance is challenge & block shots. He definitely doesn't guard perimeter players any better.

I'm not saying Granger won't be a plus for us when he comes back. But Lance going out of the line up hurts us in several areas.

Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)

Yes, we get a 7 day break. I still think I'd just wait til after the all star break though if you're gonna wait til Charlotte.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Hey folks, 8 points 9 seconds has some info on Paul playing the 3.

Paul is DEFINITELY playing the 3 when Danny gets back. According to Paul, he likes playing the 3 more on offense because he starts the offense on the left side of the court which he prefers instead of the right. For Danny it doesn't matter since he's a spot up shooter.

So when it comes to offensive roles, Paul will be playing the "3" while Danny will be playing the "2'

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)

I'm actually thinking the other way. I'd rather bring him back against NJ or even TOR, let him get some minutes (10-12) to get his rhythm back, and then let him get extended minutes (15-20 depending on conditioning) against the Bobcats right before the ASB.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Paul is DEFINITELY playing the 3 when Danny gets back. According to Paul, he likes playing the 3 more on offense because he starts the offense on the left side of the court which he prefers instead of the right. For Danny it doesn't matter since he's a spot up shooter.

So when it comes to offensive roles, Paul will be playing the "3" while Danny will be playing the "2'

So like I said it pretty much doesn't matter what you call them. Ok this makes more sense. I still think we will pretty much always see Paul on the quicker guy. Just need to start thinking of it as two wings, instead of a 2 and a 3.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

I'm actually thinking the other way. I'd rather bring him back against NJ or even TOR, let him get some minutes (10-12) to get his rhythm back, and then let him get extended minutes (15-20 depending on conditioning) against the Bobcats right before the ASB.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

I know you said you didn't mean to single me out, but I do wanna say that I do not receive enjoyment out of another human beings suffering. This wasn't said at the time of injury, this wasn't said during a rehab session, this was said to a player who is up running, jumping, shooting around and will be back to playing in the NBA within a few weeks. So you should try looking a little deeper into a circumstance before saying one's behavior is "despicable"

At the end of the day, Derrick Rose is a big boy (a handsomely paid big boy at that) and I'm sure he's heard much worse at various sporting events. No it may not make what I said "okay" but at the same time, I'm QUITE SURE he didn't go home too worried about what I said nor too worried about Steagles t-shirt. When you're a public figure, professional athlete, etc--negativity from those that see you perform comes with the territory imo. Is there a sensitivity line that shouldn't be crossed? Sure. But neither me nor Steagles crossed it. But thanks for your opinion anyway

I just don't see the distinction or logic in your post though. I understand that he's nearly healed, but he still suffered a pretty bad injury and you're mocking that fact.

And your logic is that because he plays a game in public (money has nothing to do with this) he should expect people to be rude and offensive to him, and what you said is okay because it wasn't the worst thing someone could say to him? Is that where we're at as a society? It should just be expected that we're going to be classless towards people in public? Is that how you want your character to be defined? I know you think it's just a game and he's a "big boy," and I'm sure he didn't cry himself to sleep, but are you proud of that type of behavior?

It's not a big deal I guess, as people have been displaying this type of behavior since the coliseum, but I try my best not to find pleasure in another's misfortune. /rant

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

So like I said it pretty much doesn't matter what you call them. Ok this makes more sense. I still think we will pretty much always see Paul on the quicker guy. Just need to start thinking of it as two wings, instead of a 2 and a 3.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

If Lance keeps on playing the way he has, that's fine with me. Let Granger be the scorer off the bench. Plus Granger will still get PT playing with the starters, he just won't be starting. I see NO REASON to change horses in the middle of the stream unless Lance's game starts going down. You dance with the one you brought and right now Lance is looking pretty good at the dance.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

So like I said it pretty much doesn't matter what you call them. Ok this makes more sense. I still think we will pretty much always see Paul on the quicker guy. Just need to start thinking of it as two wings, instead of a 2 and a 3.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

I don't care what you call them, but its important for them to both be out there together. Maybe it was just me, but George and Granger thrived off of each other last year, seemed like when one had a special game the other one was the reason why. If George was hitting shots, it was because Granger was making the extra pass, ETC.

While Lance may be currently not quite as good as Danny/PG/Hill, it isn't by too much, and the gap is growing thinner all the time. Arguably, Danny/PG/Hill are similar offensive players. Lance is something very different.

I am excited about Lance moving to the second unit, because I want to "Free Lance." But I think some people may be disappointed in the offensive flow upon Danny's return. Right now, we have two hammers and a wrench starting. We are about to replace the only wrench with another hammer.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

I don't care what you call them, but its important for them to both be out there together. Maybe it was just me, but George and Granger thrived off of each other last year, seemed like when one had a special game the other one was the reason why. If George was hitting shots, it was because Granger was making the extra pass, ETC.

I dont think we'll find anything better than Granger. Putting Lance on the bench creates a ton of depth to be honest. Assuming he can handle it. And I think Granger is a Pro. He hasnt shown anything but. He knows what he's coming into. I think he'll adapt. We have a serious shot at a title boys and girls. I believe.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

While Lance may be currently not quite as good as Danny/PG/Hill, it isn't by too much, and the gap is growing thinner all the time. Arguably, Danny/PG/Hill are similar offensive players. Lance is something very different.

I am excited about Lance moving to the second unit, because I want to "Free Lance." But I think some people may be disappointed in the offensive flow upon Danny's return. Right now, we have two hammers and a wrench starting. We are about to replace the only wrench with another hammer.

Yep I feel the same way, Lance is needed in the starting unit, Danny is not good at passing the ball or creating for others so the offense would look worse in my opinion.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Paul George needs the ball in his hands as much as possible. If anything Lance gets the ball too much at the end of games for my tastes. This is not a criticism of Lance, but Paul should be our creator and in that case Danny does blend better than Lance IMO, assuming Danny is ready to go.