tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post116319340153810104..comments2015-03-31T13:08:09.316-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Dialogue on the Nature of Development of Doctrine (Particularly With Regard to the Papacy) (vs. Jason Engwer)Dave Armstronghttps://plus.google.com/115516270318198347148noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-37512763094616118942011-09-22T12:53:30.653-04:002011-09-22T12:53:30.653-04:00Hi Roberto,
This dialogue is too far back in time...Hi Roberto,<br /><br />This dialogue is too far back in time to remember what was in my head. But I doubt that I left anything out that I wanted to include.<br /><br />I haven&#39;t debated with Orthodox too much for the last ten years or so, by deliberate design. I think they are close to us in many ways, so it isn&#39;t a high priority. When I used to do so, I would always run across anti=-Catholic Orthodox, and I don&#39;t bother with any anti-Catholics in debate.<br /><br />But I do have a web page on them:<br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/orthodoxy-eastern-index-page.html<br /><br />And a book:<br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/07/books-by-dave-armstrong-orthodoxy-and.htmlDave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-91085144070603265542011-09-22T00:03:43.371-04:002011-09-22T00:03:43.371-04:00I read the above with great interest, as the papac...I read the above with great interest, as the papacy is something I&#39;m seeking to get a handle on, especially historically speaking.<br /><br />But the last, eighth section of your paper is lacking in some important ways (I intend this to be constructive, not antagonistic).<br /><br />&quot;In order to ascertain the precise meaning and ecclesiological application of these phrases we must take into account the culture of the time, cross-referencing of Holy Scripture (exegesis), principles of interpretation (hermeneutics), and the original languages. These methods are completely acceptable to Protestants. Therefore, if the results of such a study point clearly to Petrine primacy and a papacy, the honest student of the Bible must decide what he is to do with that information. Frankly, there aren&#39;t many choices!<br /><br />I was expecting a very lengthy set of arguments which would take all four of the above-mentioned elements into account so that you might make the strongest possible case for the biblical papacy in acorn form.<br /><br />Did material get lost when this paper was transferred onto the Web? Or do you plan on expanding the vital eighth section of this essay in the future?<br /><br />The paper also ended very abruptly with this passage:<br /><br />&quot;Martin Luther, in his Commentary on the Psalms, wrote: &quot;The Bible is its own interpreter.&quot; R.C. Sproul, the well-known Presbyterian theologian, reiterates this principle of hermeneutics: &quot;The chief rule of biblical interpretation is &#39;sacred Scripture is its own interpreter.&#39; This principle means that the Bible is to be interpreted by the Bible&quot; (Essential Truths of the Christian Faith, Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Pub., 1992, 25). Very well, then, let the Protestant answer the following biblical evidences, as expounded primarily by Protestant scholars.&quot;<br /><br />I say this because &quot;the following biblical evidences&quot; are not forthcoming after this paragraph. Was it supposed to be placed somewhere else in the essay?<br /><br />Finally, have you considered taking on the best of the Eastern Orthodox extended arguments at some point, as you&#39;re doing (marvellously) with William Whitaker&#39;s book? This would be very helpful because most of the Catholic apologetics material online is directed against Protestantism. But I want to know where the true visible church and authoritative hierarchy can be found, rather than just that an invisible church and sola scriptura are unbiblical and ahistorical (as important and true as this is).<br /><br />Thanks for your input on all this.Roberto Junghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14759919144261564404noreply@blogger.com