POSTGAME NOTES: Giants fail to pick up game on Dodgers

Twice in the last month the Giants have sent Madison Bumgarner to the hill with a chance to clinch a sweep. With the way it’s gone around here, you can’t really ask for much more than that. They’re 0 for 2, though. With the Red Sox and Pirates coming to town, the Giants are still searching for their first sweep since May 3-5.

They’re also still looking for their first winning multiple-city trip of the season. They took two of three from the Dodgers in April and three of four from the Padres just before the All-Star break, but any time you give this team a second hotel key, you’re looking at .500 or worse.

“It was okay,” manager Bruce Bochy said of this 3-3 trip. “It’s just an okay trip. It could have been a good trip.”

This game was right there for the taking, but the Giants turned around and walked in the other direction. They had a catcher’s interference call, a wild pitch that let three runners take an extra 90 feet, a botched pick-off play, a diving attempt that ended up volleying a liner back into left field. Half the Jersey Shore-looking guys in the Clevelander club beyond left field probably had more success than the Giants did with runners in scoring position.

“The ball was bouncing everywhere today,” Bochy said. “We gave up too many runs and missed too many opportunities and it caught up to us. We let this one get away. That’s the way I look at it.”

It added up to a 68th loss. The 68th loss last season came in Game 162.

— Hector Sanchez drew five walks in 227 plate appearances last year. He drew his fifth walk of this season in his first plate appearance today, his 60th of the season. He got No. 6 in the sixth and also had two hits. This morning, Bochy was asked what he would like to see Sanchez work on this offseason.

“What’s critical for Hector is to keep himself in playing shape,” Bochy said. “The shoulder became an issue this year and he missed some time. He’s got to get stronger and keep the weight off. All these things are important for this kid. Sometimes we forget how young he is, so it’s time for him to get in a routine and make sure he keeps himself in great shape.”

What does Sanchez think he needs to work on?

“Absolutely, I need to work on my body,” he said. “That’s my plan for the offseason.”

Sanchez said he already has lined up a personal trainer in Venezuela and expects to come back in better shape next spring. And really, that’s where this all starts. He’s rough behind the plate, but you don’t get any better defensively when you’re sitting on a trainer’s table, and Sanchez has been unable to stay healthy for most of his second season.

Sanchez has said that he doesn’t plan on playing winter ball and instead will focus on getting healthy and stronger, but at some point he really does need some more extended time behind the plate, either in Venezuela or the minors or spring training. You could see the inexperience on the catcher’s interference; Sanchez said he called for a curveball and saw that it was headed for the dirt.

“I never thought he would swing,” he said of Justin Ruggiano. “I was reaching and just got too close.”

That’s where the inexperience comes in: Ruggiano is a .208 hitter with 79 strikeouts in 303 at-bats. There’s a good shot that he is swinging regardless of where that pitch ends up.

— Angel Pagan is a few days away from joining Triple-A Fresno. Bochy said September 1 remains the likely activation date.

— Bumgarner was visibly frustrated after several pitches sailed on him. Not counting the rain delay game in Washington, this was Bumgarner’s shortest start since June 8.

“It just seemed like every pitch I threw was a hair off in the wrong direction,” he said. “I just struggled making pitches today.”

— Hunter Pence talked about his home run drought on Friday. Did Bochy see the right fielder trying too hard to hit homers?

Pence said he never changed his approach, and today the homer finally came. It was a bomb, too. ESPN Stats and Info put it at 459 feet, the second-longest homer in this park’s history. (Surprise! Giancarlo Stanton has the longest one.)

The 459-foot blast is the third-longest of the season for the Giants, trailing Pablo Sandoval’s walk-off and Pence’s homer at Chase Field.

— The buzz in the clubhouse last night: Miguel Cabrera’s walk-off homer. Players and coaches were still talking about Cabrera this morning as the highlights showed over and over again on MLB Network. We don’t hear as much talk about other players as you might think, but a lot of guys are rightfully in awe of Cabrera’s run the past two seasons. “I don’t know how people pitch to that guy,” one hitter said this morning.

Bochy said that Andres Torres and Jeff Francoeur will likely be in center and left against the two left-handers. I’ll be there for two games, too, but Monday night’s isn’t one of them. See you all on Tuesday.

Alex Pavlovic

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How could the Gnats fail to sign this guy? A missed opportunity per MLBTR: “The Astros will sign first baseman Japhet Amador … from Diablos Rojos in the Mexican League, according to a team press release. The 26-year-old Amador, who is listed at 6’4″ and 315 pounds…”

Admittedly, he would only be the second-heaviest guy on the infield.

M&P

Once again another double standard from Bochy. Hector needs to get in shape but it’s perfectly OK that Pablo has been fat for years!

Young players must literally hate playing for this guy.

ClutchUp

Thanks Alex. Safe Flight. See you at the yard (maybe) on Tuesday.

Food for thought:
“Ruin-Tomorrow” is taking a beating letting Chollie go before the end of season … Manuel’s a weird ol Virginia good old boy but one of the most respected in the game. I think the HOFamer Sandberg was a tad awkward at the presser; Charlie’s current and former players (Werth etc) were critical of Amaro.

Arte Moreno’s press conference will be after the season (Scioscia). Doubtful that Maddon would leave the Rays. He’s the best at what he does for Tampa.

Arte would probably offer Larussa 100M dollars to manage the Halo’s but it looks like Tony is now an administrator/next Commish of MLB.

Eric Wedge with his health issues is probably gone…
Ned Yost may have saved his job at KC…
Gardy in Minni is probably done…
Recycled Gibbons was the wrong guy in TOR…
Terry Collins … see ya unless Sandy says no…
Davey retires so that Matt Williams can start his career…NATS…
Ryan Braun goes down … maybe Roenicke altho RR is very respected…
How LONG does Buddy Black get…
I think Reinsdorf/Williams might reconsider Robin Ventura…

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

Good news, my fellow Gnatfans! The Padres just walked off v. the Mets, so the Gnats are a game closer to that protected draft pick. The next Christina Arroyo is still waiting!

channelclemente

It just amazes me that any even concerns themselves with where the Giants finish. This is all about sort the wheat from the chaff now.

dj

it is garbage time , numbers don’t mean much

giantsfaninak

today the reds scored 9 runs on 10 singles (no extra base hits)
the giants have been known to….well, never mind.
I just want them to play decent
torres & franceour in 2 of the 3 games- what’s the point.
no pill to make us larger

People can’t seriously think the Giants have a chance to make the playoffs.

408svl

as per BOCHY comment about SANCHEZ, he really cares about his players well being. good that SANCHEZ admitted he is overweight and plan on losing some and to have a personal trainer and not playing winter league. so is SANDOVAL. it is good to hear these two guys being overweight and planning on keeping their weight down. as i see it, it would be a breath of fresh if what they are saying is what they are going to do. it is early to talk about next year but i guess for the GIANTS brass they are encouraged for what they hear about these two players they have.

2holehitting

The gossip board is becoming less and less as the Giants continue to lose and fail to give any excitement for things to look forward to.

No rookies brought up, no vets DFA’d, nada nothin zilcho.

Just more fo the same. Poor fielding. Who made 3 errors in the last few weeks? Was it the gold glove first baseman or the gold glove shortstop?

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

H-Boston says:
August 18th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

“People can’t seriously think the Gnats have a chance to make the playoffs.”

The only ones who do are roaming around the streets since Reagan closed Agnews in the 1970s.

carmot

After a game like this one, one might expect Bochy to speak of the defensive improvements young Hector Sanchez needs to make in order to be a quality MLB catcher. But he speaks only of his weight and conditioning. Much like last winter saying “Sandoval needs to lose his winter coat” after an earlier admission of “if he hits thee home runs in a World Series game, we don’t care how much he eats.”
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“It was okay,” manager Bruce Bochy said of this 3-3 trip. “It’s just an okay trip. It could have been a good trip.”

So Bochy is “okay” with how this “okay” trip went? Huh. Well…

Okay then.

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

“So Bochy is ‘okay’ with how this ‘okay’ trip went? Huh. Well…

Okay then.”

By Gnatstandards, it was a spectacularly successful road trip.

MLBSF

Polioptila get off the couch. Get outside. I finally got those losers like giantc, Big Dawg, Mike Souza, Carmot, Trainwreck to drop rooting for futility.

Lefty knows me best. She knows how handsome I am and intimadates the rest of the men here. Even choyboys upset.

Polioptila, I should come down to LA and visit you and your TruBlu fans.

What a twosome we’d be. BigDawg is right. I just made all that stuff up about Marty talking me off the ledge.

My mom helped me with those broadcaster scores.

My bad Lefty.

Mike Souza

Trolls comments are almost as worthless as their lives.

TrainWreck

Gee golly, I can’t wait for Angel Pagan, who can’t hit the 18 year old pitchers in the Arizona Rookie League, to add his special magic to our downtrodden lineup. Playoffs, here we come!

MLBSF

smh Mr. Souza, I’m out on the Bay on my Yacht. You must need some sleep you are so cranky. smh

And there goes trainwreck and 2holes again fracking while the Cubs Fans are in their 108th year of taking Welbutrin.

Sad smh

carmot

I’m totally fed up with this team. I’m tired of the concept that we find ‘serviceable’ players as reclamation projects. No need for the Torres v2013, Francoeur, and Moscoso playing time through the rest of the season. Finding new ‘serviceable’ players or platoons will not make us better.

Bochy feels “okay” about this 3-3 road trip? How about getting the team better prepared and executing better? How about setting standards for the compete level? Instead, it seems to be a ride-it-out mentality he has instilled. I ain’t buying it.

Do others see what I see?
We are playing EXACTLY like our record reflects.

– Crawford making no kind of signal in the 5th for Blanco to advance on the wild pitch. In fact, he didn’t even look/follow the path of the ball once it passed him.

– Kieschnick as the batter made no effort to signal for where/how Pablo should slide into home plate while the relay throw was coming in (7th inning?).

– Moscoso in the bottom of the 7th with a wild pitch that bounces off Hector’s knee protector. Guillermo stutter-stepped, then went to track the ball. No thought or understanding of the situation that he HAS TO back up the unoccupied home plate.

These plays are happening at an alarming rate. Seemingly each and every game. We might win some and lose some. But there is no excuse for not playing properly, with effort and mental attention.

Glad you’re enjoying the season, MLBSF. I’m pumped up to pay the obscenely juiced ticket prices so I can watch Franny and Torres stomp all over the Red Sox. Those poor devils from Beantown don’t know what we have in store for ’em with our Murderers Row of fierce right-handed sluggers. Humm Baby!

Jesse

@ Carmot

Maybe Bochy wants a top 7 pick? So he keeps playing the vets

stickman

TRolls were out in force after the team won three in a row for the first time in ages. Tonight, after another galling loss, they have taken over the fort. Can’t really blame the trolls, though. They simply are reflecting some of the bad decisions made from tightfisted ownership on down. Real Giants fans are expecting some serious reassessments and shakeups come the post-season.

Meanwhile, as Channel commented and 2-hole echoed, it’s time to sort the wheat from the chaff and to let those failed reclamation project players find someplace else to hang out. Bring up the more promising kids from both Fresno and Richmond. Let’s find out soonest if there is anything near the mouth of the pipeline with some promise for next season.

MLBSF

Carmot should really see a specialist. Carmot must be BiPolar. One day, afternoon, evening he’s wishing his G’s good luck and dreaming big and then he’s on the ledge. Where is Marty? Take your meds babe!

For a team built on pitching and fielding, with all the accolades spewed upon the young gold glove studs, they and everyone else in the infield are all are at near the bottom for fielding. That is ALL EVERYONE, in the infield are all near the bottom in rankings for fielding their position. Not a single top 10 guy in fielding percentage.

So sad to bad, things are not as people say they are.

BB9 18th in fielding percentage out of 22 that are qualified with chances. And 4th in number of errors.
Scutero 17th of 19 in fielding percentage, 4th in errors committed.
Crawford 18th of 23 in fielding percentage, 5th in number of errors commited
Sandoval 23rd of 24 in fielding percentage, 3rd in errors commited.

ClutchUp

Holy Moly Joe Girardi went blitzo-nutzo when Dempster did his thing with ARod. Beantown is also forgetting about Papi, ManRam and others.
No warning to Dempster…

John Ferrel is funny describing Dempsters control.

“Its an Abomb for ARod”

carmot

Jesse:
“Maybe Bochy wants a top 7 pick? So he keeps playing the vets”

Maybe. But why not run out the kids instead? Heck, they *might* be even more worthless than Torres, Francoeur, Moscoso, et al. I get that. But there is at least some organizational “value” to seeing them face MLB pitching and game situations. Evaluate for 2014 and beyond. They just might help. Or help get that draft pick.

If Gary Brown lights up like a kerosene tank in a fireworks factory I couldn’t care less about a top-10 pick. If Kensuke Tanaka turns into the next iteration of Ichiro, again, protected pick be d4mned. If Juan Perez can be our super-utility guy I’d be pretty danged happy with that. If Chris Dominguez could show that he can displace Sandoval at 3B, I’d call that a win.

I really worry that we’ll see a lot more of the same this winter. Have we had even ONE indicator that the Train Bust mentality has changed? No trade deadline deal. Seeing guys like Moscoso, and trying to claim Lilly. Brett Pill sitting. Our cartoon of an outfield. Scutaro PH’ing in a scoring situation when he’s had a bad neck & back within the past 5 days. Brett Pill sitting.

There seems to be no value to playing these guys we’ve seen. Even if we are trying to tank for a protected pick, is it okay to forget how to play baseball properly? The small things are lacking, and Bochy either doesn’t seem to see it or doesn’t seem to care. I don’t care if it’s Timmy/Romo not covering 1B or Timmy running into Pill. Or Belt running into double plays two games in a row. Or a lineup/double-switch blunder. Or Casilla/Affeldt/Moscoso not covering home. Leaving Machi in after walking three straight? C’mon man.

This stuff is terrible. YMMV (if you are a Dodger fan).

ClutchUp

…and Starlin Castro gets benched for only thinking there was one out.

Dale Sveum to Starlin: ” your day is done”.

Thatta Babe Dale

carmot

2hole:

We also have 3 of the WORST outfielders in all of baseball. Ranked by those with at least 225 AB’s this season. Blanco, Torres, and Francoeur are each amongst the 15 worst in all of baseball, with over 120 players who qualify.

We are defending World Series champs. We have a top-10 payroll and a top-10 operational profit margin. And we run out 2 of these 3 nearly every game (until recently, where Kieschnick has had starts).

MLBSF

smh

Carmot chug a big handful of valium. Your BiPolar meds need tweaking.

Three sentences of less please.

smh

carmot

MLBSF:

So, we’re all supposed to be “okay” with this stuff because our skip o’ the ship, Bochy, is? No thanks. And all this ‘positive spin’ stuff of Sandoval losing 22 lbs and Belt changing his grip is getting old fast. But that is about all the positive material with which to work with right now.

Sorry, that was four sentences. Oh dang, now five. I mean six. Ooops. Eight…

“For a team built on pitching and fielding, with all the accolades spewed upon the young gold glove studs, they and everyone else in the infield are all are at near the bottom for fielding. That is ALL EVERYONE, in the infield are all near the bottom in rankings for fielding their position. Not a single top 10 guy in fielding percentage.

BB9 18th in fielding percentage out of 22 that are qualified with chances. And 4th in number of errors.
Micro Scrotumo 17th of 19 in fielding percentage, 4th in errors committed.
Clubfoot 18th of 23 in fielding percentage, 5th in number of errors committed
Flablo 23rd of 24 in fielding percentage, 3rd in errors committed.”

Wow, I hadn’t realized that Gnats’ defense was that good!

Quotation edited for spelling.

MLBSF

smh
Carmot had the Giants won today similiar to the first two games or had they pulled out an ugly win to sweep, you still would have your ire screwed up. Settle down bro. Go out for a 5 miler or pick up a J and chill out.

You’re beyond amped.

SactoShark

I note that this Boards still interacts with the resident Troll..on the Sharks board we just ignored it last season and all went well. you may want to consider the same approach

Of course, it knows even less ( that’s an understatement) about Hockey than Baseball, but if you are going to feed it, feed it soccer questions….

Eleuthero

How can a good seriously make “Giants Fail to Pick Up a Game on Dodgers” the headline? Is he writing for 8-year-olds who just watched a Jiminy Cricket special from 1965? Oh, yeah, if we’re down to 14 games out we got a real shot!!” Sigh.

carmot

Ummm. I think it is dark humor.
Some might know it as sarcasm.
Maybe it is a bit of self-deprecating humor.

That’s how I interpreted it. I didn’t mind it a bit. It actually says a lot to me. I know Alex knows how bad this team is/has been. It depicts just how futile this season has become. It speaks of the bleakness of our playoff contention. Maybe in a twisted way, it actually sums things up quite well.

But I dunno. Maybe he is writing for “8-year-olds.” And maybe that is the median age of this board; judging by a majority of comments here, by a majority of posters.

Eleuthero

Poor Alex Pavlovic. Is he drinking that funny Kool Aid? Oh, yeah, getting Sanchez “in shape” is the wave of serious change here [sic]. Why, he might throw out 15% of the stealers and hit 8 whole home runs if we turn him into a buff studmuffin.

His MIND is what Bochy and the coaches need to work on because he’s in the Pablo/Francouer “I can’t waste my ups getting a base-on-balls” mentality. Sanchez gets a walk every THIRTY at-bats in his career.

Alex, dood … why are you writing an article that focuses on one of the Giants many journeyman/utility players as if he’s being groomed for a stardom that’s an absolute impossibility? Everyone’s gotten drunk because he hit a couple of dingers recently.

MLBSF

smh

TskTsk speak for youself. You are a dominating poster and the Ethiopia guy is terminaly ill. He needs some Ginseng.

smh

MLBSF

smh

Wow, Ethiopia is hammered. Must be related to NOSHAME.

TiskTisk Ethio

smh

wine baroness

Going to the game tomorrow night vs Boston.

Thrilled to hear Francouer and Torres are starting..(weep)

WHY ???

Maybe I’ll get lucky and Moscoso will pitch too…

carmot

wine:

I’ll bet if you peek into the dugout, you can even see Brett Pill too!

ClutchUp

The Sandman closed the door on the BoSox. They will be arriving in SF in the wee hours of the morning.

Hanley booted two balls tonight.
Heh
Heh
Heh
MLB just informed Puig he needs to pee in a cup tomorrow.
Puig was last seen at an all night vitamin store looking for a masking agent.

pacman68

Although the Giants are awful. I will still miss watching games and reading all your crazy posts you guys when the season is done.

Minor League report brought to you by a dispassionate “8 year old” Giants fan.

Go Giants.

ClutchUp

Vegas Giant Fan 🙂
Made my night!

Thank you!

Cazajejenes

After three days of surprises, some of us had forgotten that these were the Gnats.

The Politics Guy

Just like Fox News, Fox Sports One is a breath of fresh air from the rest of the media. =)

And why are Torres and Frenchy still here? Disgusting.

Eleuthero

Politics guy, I feel your pain. 🙂 Whose brainchild is the continued non-use of Pill or some other minor league prospects while starting these has-beens and never-was’s?? It’s absolutely duck-shot-in-the-head senseless!!

Yeah, let’s continue to waste a wasted season by cosseting our rookies and prospects so we can see how guys with 8 or 10 years apiece of MLB time do. I have a cousin on Thorazine who thinks clearer than that.

The Politics Guy

Bochy plays favorites with veteran scrubs and Sabean has sentimental favorites who were on the WS teams. Just the way it is.

Mike Souza

People who rip Sanchez for his low percentage when it comes to throwing out runners are really uneducated misdirected in their anger or frustration. Dude was hurt. Plus, do you consider who is usually pitching when he is behind the plate? Lincecum and Zito. Not quick to home or helpful for a catcher when it comes to base stealers. Do your research folks. Bash a talented, not perfect, yet good young player seems to be the way to go for many. Be it Sanchez, Belt or Crawford. Gotta luv those type of “fans”…or not.
I have faith in Sabean and I have faith next year will be a good one for the GIANTS.
But no Torres, pleeeeease no Torres Sabes.
GIANTS4LIFE!!!!!!!

Mike Souza

Clutch Up, you sound like a troll with your last comment towards the lame DODGERS. Cummon, don’t stoop to that level bud.

Mike Souza

And to clarify, H. Sanchez definitely needs to work on his defense and receiving skills. Hard to be fine tuned when you’ve been hurt all year and you are backup catcher who is 23. He is a young, talented, switch-hitting catcher who every other team in the MLB would snatch up in a heartbeat if he was released…which will never happen.

I haven’t posted once in this thread until now, even if I do agree with everything my impersonator wrote in #30.

I’m not sure what is more of a disgrace:

The 2013 San Francisco Giants (the worst defending championship team in modern sports history)…

or

… The fact impersonators are allowed to roam free on this blog, and make up multiple names and type under registered user names.

It’s and outrage and a disgrace, even if I do agree with many things my impersonator is writing.

smh

Herman

Francoer and Torres. Unbelievable.

What’s worse is that any sports writer would actually put that in writing, and not question why Bochy is not giving younger players a shot. Like Pill.

Good thing it’s the Sox because otherwise people are not going to pay to see a team that’s 15 games under .500 that starts mediocre aging vets with little future in baseball.

And no writer even questions it. Or brings up all the empty seats at these “sellouts”.

Vegas Giants Fan

Milb notes:

Daniel Slania, currently finishing up a stint on the 7 day DL, has been promoted to Richmond. Slania was closing for Salem-Keizer.

Matt Duffy, SS for the San Jose Giants is on the 7 day DL.

Go Giants.

Vegas Giants Fan

A look at the 2013 Draft Picks:

Christian Arroyo – SS – AZL Giants – 1st round

.314/1/33 – .376/.481/.857

Ryder Jones – 3B – AZL Giants – 2nd round

.339/1/17 – .410/.441/.851

Chase Johnson – RHP – Salem – 3rd round

3-1, 2.04 – 35.1 IP 28 H 13 R 8 ER 0 HR 8 BB 31 K’s .220

Brian Ragira – OF – Salem – 4th round

.271/1/24 – .377/.361/.738

Daniel Slania – RHP – Richmond – 5th round * stats from Salem

0-1, 2.08 – 8.2 IP 6 H 2 R 2 ER 1 HR 1 BB 8 K’s .188 3 SV

Nick Vander Tuig – LHP – Salem – 6th round

0-0, 13.50 – 6.2 IP 15 H 10 R 10 ER 1 HR 9 BB 5 K’s .441

Brandon Bednar – SS – Salem – 7th round

.262/4/28 – .323/.381/.704

Tyler Horan – LF – Salem – 8th round

.303/3/20 – .363/.470/.833

Donald Snelten – LHP – AZL Giants – 9th round

2-1, 1.59 – 28.1 IP 20 H 10 R 5 ER 13 BB 32 K’s .190

Pat Young – RHP – Salem – 13th round

1-1, 0.00 – 24.1 IP 17 H 3 R 0 ER 1 HR 5 BB 13 K’s .198

Eugene Escalante – C – Salem – 15th round

.291/1/13 – .359/.398/.757

Christian Jones – LHP – Salem – 18th round

1-0, 1.59 – 11.1 IP 8 H 4 R 2 ER 0 HR 2 BB 10 K’s .190

Blake Miller – SS – Salem – 25th round

.347/2/8 – .421/.571/.992

Dustin Knight – RHP – AZL Giants – 28th round

4-1, 1.35 – 26.2 IP 20 H 7 R 4 ER 1 HR 9 BB 36 K’s .205

Craig Massoni – 1B – AZL Giants – 33rd round

.272/2/20 – .414/.379/.793

Go Giants.

2holehitting

ClutchUp says:
August 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Holy Moly Joe Girardi went blitzo-nutzo when Dempster did his thing with ARod. Beantown is also forgetting about Papi, ManRam and others.
No warning to Dempster…

John Ferrel is funny describing Dempsters control.

“Its an Abomb for ARod”
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I donlt know why anyone would pitch to Rodriguez. If I was clean I would bean him everytime. He would eventually get the point and so would Girardi

2holehitting

From Carmot

2hole:

We also have 3 of the WORST outfielders in all of baseball. Ranked by those with at least 225 AB’s this season. Blanco, Torres, and Francoeur are each amongst the 15 worst in all of baseball, with over 120 players who qualify.

We are defending World Series champs. We have a top-10 payroll and a top-10 operational profit margin. And we run out 2 of these 3 nearly every game (until recently, where Kieschnick has had starts).

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yes atleast Blanco is a top ten centerfielder with ZERO errors.

2holehitting

I note that this Boards still interacts with the resident Troll..on the Sharks board we just ignored it last season and all went well. you may want to consider the same approach

Of course, it knows even less ( that’s an understatement) about Hockey than Baseball, but if you are going to feed it, feed it soccer questions….

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As a San Hoeser shark season ticket owner (lower bowl) you must have been quite disapointed in them yet again. They have serious scoring issues from their premium players (sounds similar to the Giants(. THey had several 4th line players on the third and second lines. Playing most of the time. Again a nice parallel. And they have an over paid Goalie that is basically about average and not the God from LA. Again nice parallel to the Giants Cainer not being Kershaw.

hari

Bochy is an idiot if he thinks fans are going to put up with dysfunctional Torres and egomaniac Francouer.

If he’s not clever, he just might follow Charlie Manuel.

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

The Politics Guy says:
August 18th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

“Just like Faux News, Faux Sports One is a blast of toxic air that needs a look from the EPA.”

At best, equivalent to lighting a faaaaart at high tea.

Quotation edited for spelling and accuracy of content.

MLBSF

smh
Amazing how many out of towners post here. I’ve worked hard to stop regulars from posting here 500 times a day but Souza still comes here right after work..
Doug Wilson has ruined the Sharks. What is with Todd McClellan’s hair cut. Its a Mark Davis hair-do. “2BeHole” is my next favorite troll as he comes here as a Wrigley fan giving Sabean advice. Smh. I find Foothills entertaining but Lefty was missed here for several days.

Redsox WILL sweep

smh

2holehitting

If Boston sweeps or 2 of 3 that will be 4 winning series in the past 17 series. Those are your two thousand and thirteen San Frrancisco Giannnntttsssss

2holehitting

Good to see Rhyno got rewarded for sending the guy who was thrown out at the plate.

Fortunately for the Bosox, they get a few days of comic relief before having to face the Puiggers.

ClutchUp

ARod is arrogant, a jerk and the scourge of baseball but its also clear that Selig went out of his way with the 211 game suspension.

No arbitrator, independent of, will uphold that. It will be reduced imo. Ryan Braun is actually worse. He went so far as to accuse the vial collector of being antisemetic. (Sp) ?

Seligs legacy starting with his silence and then his revelry in Sosa and McGwire was hilarious.

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

ClutchUp says:
August 19th, 2013 at 7:42 am

“ARod is arrogant, a jerk and the scourge of baseball but its also clear that Selig went out of his way with the 211 game suspension.”

But, to be fair, both of them are more honorable than B*nds.

MLBSF

smh

Dammit, I spoke too soon. Clutch Up is jealous of my knowledge and there he goes again posting 1 of 500 and once again he knows nothing about steroids or Mr Rodriguez. smh

Why,why,why does he do this to us. He’s so this and he’s so that. Blah, blah, blah. Its starting to effect my needed handsome sleep as I hardly ever get up before 11.

I’m really not looking forward to the Redsox sweeping

smh

ClutchUp

@Mlbsf, you’re the resident troll dude. Say no more. Out on your yacht. That’s a stretch.

Go Giants
Go Sharks.

Slide Dog

Winning makes a manager look good and losing makes them look bad. Simple as that. As good as Bochy’s looked during the run to two WS titles, he seems to have lost contact with the rudder right now. But to continue the maritime analogy, when there’s no wind in the sails, you can look pretty silly sitting at the helm, flipping the tiller around. I think he’s just grinding it out to the end. I w ould like to see a little more teaching and a little less ‘rewarding the vets’ at this time of year however. Why not give Peguero, Hembree and Brown a cup of coffee, along with Kieschnick?

The Phillies and Giants are two peas in a pod this year. Lucky for Giants fans that the owners and GM are a leeetle more stable than Amaro in Philly.

Lefty

C’mon, MLBSF, Clutch knows a lot about baseball, and he certainly brings knowledge to the blog that I don’t have.

And it’s pretty ironic that you slam other posters for posting too much, gotta say.

Now, whether you’re up at 4 going to the gym or up at 11 to spend the afternoon on your yacht, I hope you have a lovely day.

MLBSF

Oh shoot sorry Lefty my bad
You bring up some good points
I thought you wouldn’t see. smh

Got to go, the Harbor Master is cranky today.

smh

Mike Souza

MLBSF,
While I don’t always agree with his style, Clutch Up is one of the most consistent and passionate people on this blog. He has great knowledge and insight. You on the other hand are a miserable troll who is right now sitting on a raggedy canoe paddling on raw sewage, while telling everybody you on the yacht in the harbor.

MLBSF

OK Lefty,

For one thing I haven’t posted since #54

I just got to work and see that my imposter has posted multiple times already. My impersonator is getting to be almost as unbearable as ClutchUp to be honest.

Also, I don’t feel the Giants will get swept. I only think they will lost 2 of 3. I feel they may get swept by the Pirates though. We’ll see.

In conclusion, you would think Alex could do something to get people to stop stalking me.

smh

channelclemente

So Lefty,

do you have a weakness for trolls? I thought more of you, actually.

Lefty

CC: “a weakness”? LOL. 🙂

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

Mike Souza says:
August 19th, 2013 at 8:39 am

“While I don’t always agree with his style, Clutch Up is one of the most consistent and passionate people on this blog. He has great knowledge and insight.”

Then what is he doing on a Gnatfan blog?

ClutchUp

Hope nobody missed the Kirk Gibson piece about Ryan Braun.

If LA never existed Gibby woulda been a cool Giant.

MLBSF

Lefty doesn’t need me to tell her this, since she is smart.

But if you notice, channelclemente and clutchup work as a team, trying to intimidate people into who they can and cannot associate with.

They use passive-aggressive techniques, such as trying to shame Lefty and make her feel guilty about who she can associate with on a free board.

We have the same problem on the Sharks blog. A group of thugs who think they own the place, and feel they will decide who can post, and also dictate who everyone is allowed to talk to.

I think everyone should be allowed to post without being subjected to these sort of childish tactics. Yes I sure do.

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

MLBSF says:
August 19th, 2013 at 9:15 am

“But if you notice, channelclemente and clutchup work as a team, trying to intimidate people into who they can and cannot associate with.

They use passive-aggressive techniques, such as trying to shame Lefty and make her feel guilty about who she can associate with on a free board.

We have the same problem on the Sharks blog. A group of thugs who think they own the place, and feel they will decide who can post, and also dictate who everyone is allowed to talk to.

I think everyone should be allowed to post without being subjected to these sort of childish tactics. Yes I sure do.”

We are all Gnatfans here, united by our adoration of Aaron Rowand.

channelclemente

Lefty,

it needs therapy, and is looking for volunteers.

Skweezplay

You are right on, Slide Dog. Great post.

Bochy has demonstrated many valuable strengths as a MLB manager, most notably how to use his bullpen to maximum effectiveness.

He is also proficient at getting contributions from every player, which I found to be particularly cool during the two pennant runs.

As you say, though, there is not much to work with at the moment, and Bruce has not shifted gears from “WIN NOW” to “TEACH FOR THE FUTURE”.

Someone else pointed out several instances of sloppy play from yesterday’s game, and that’s the kind of thing that we would hope Bochy would take steps to eliminate, up to and including benching the offenders.

We take the good with the bad, though, and there has been lots of good.

channelclemente

Various pitcher chime in on what they think is the best stat to evaluate pitching. All over the map.

“The name ‘Gnats’ is an accurate description for the team that plays its home games at The Phone Booth To Be Named Later.”

Quotation edited for punctuation and for accuracy.

MLBSF

Um, I didn’t post #87.

Please, hockey is not hard to learn and I hate the Red Sox.
Their fans are unbearable.

ClutchUp

CC
Before I click on the link, I’ll take a stab.

-Keep club in game even with “C” stuff.
-Neutralize running game
-Don’t speed up a lower half hitters bat by throwing wrong pitch.
-Minimize location pitch errors
-Perform damage control
-get bunts down when hitting
– study as much info as possible

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

MLBSF says:
August 19th, 2013 at 9:44 am

“Please, hockey is boring and I deplore the Gnats.
Their fans are unbearable.”

Quotation edited for spelling and for accuracy of content.

Troll Hunter

CC,

WHIP & OPS against should tell you enough about a pitchers effectiveness without needed pitch f/x data. K rate may be superfluous when those are considered.

===

Should be an obvious call for management. They’ve given Kieschnick a nice cup of coffee and he’s doing fine. It’s high time for Peguero and Hembree.

If they keep running out Francouer and Torres,

I say we call for Sabean/Bochy’s heads. Pitch forks and torches until they are gone.

Now back from the road, it should be easy for SaBochy to spare their heads and their jobs. Do what’s right, or the lunatic fringe will run you out of town.

signed,

GE

ClutchUp

Whew!

NO MORE AJ Jenkins

Traded to KC

South City Jim

So what, Sanchez had a rough game behind the plate. This is exactly what we should be finding out at this point in the season to determine what we have and what people need to work on for 2014 and beyond. It would be nice to see Pill have an opportunity for a bad day in LF. Any thoughts of going to the postseason should be eliminated. There’s now primarily three reasons to play out these last 39, in this order: (1) 2014 and beyond, (2) spoilers, and (3) padding individual stats and playing for next year’s contracts (i.e., Lincecum, Pence, Lopez, etc.). Play the kids. Hopefully they’ll learn from their mistakes.

Matthew

CU, Baldwin should be an upgrade…sounds like KC fans are unhappy….

Foothills Ryan

ooops that was me.

And I wish I had laser beams that disintegrated trolls.

Like a Han Solo model, which I believe was a modified Luger.

you tell me.

channelclemente

It’s enough to say, MLB pitchers and players don’t know much if anything about the metrics and statistics that describe and evaluate their performance. I’m sure their may be others, but Greinke is the only one who seemed to have a clue. Seeing the writing on the wall about longevity and money, I guess, he started adjusting his game 4 years ago with FIP and xFIP as the principle metrics he followed. He realized strike out pitcher die young. He’s gone from a guy who often had 10+ SO/game to a guy who threw a 3 hit shutout the other night with only 3 SO.

Mr. Sarcastic

Matthew @ 0936 –

LOL!!!

channelclemente

Foothills,

with so many nom de guerre’s, aren’t you afraid you might shoot yourself?

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

Troll Hunter says:
August 19th, 2013 at 9:49 am

“They’ve given Quiche-nik a nice cup of coffee and he’s doing fine.”

Sure, and in addition to that .245 BA and .625 OPS, he boasts a sparkling .408 K average!

Quotation edited for spelling.

stickman

VGF: Thanx for the update on the draft picks. Looking over those stats i’d say the scouts and evaluation people did very well ~ again ~ particularly with pitchers. Again, once again, there might not be much on board in terms of power bats. For Willie Mays Field, though, the mantra is pitching, more pitching along with speed and defense.

Anti-Lasorda

So anybody want in on the popcorn that the jet-lagged, playoff bound Red Sawks come in he-ah and punk us for two outta tree?

Including tonight?

MLBSF

@106

I think you’re going to be right.

The Red Sox had an embarrassing and disgraceful series against the Yankees over the weekend.

Hitting A-Roid in the ribs backfired big time. Dempster nails him and then gives up a homer to him the next at bat? That is shameful.
The incident completely ignited New York.

I can’t remember the incident involving the Giants, but I think maybe it was in L.A. last year or the year before. We plunked someone in retaliation for the Rowand broken face beaning, and it completely backfired igniting the Dodgers.

I think the same thing happened in Colorado as well.

These intentional beanings often backfire, and have the opposite affect, getting the other team mad and firing them up.

Anyway, the Red Sox are in a desperate pennant race right now with Tampa Bay and Baltimore, and they need wins.

I just hope the Giants can play well and shut up the huge crowd of annoying Boston fans you know will be filling the stadium over the next three days and nights.

ClutchUp

Lasorda: Everything points to tonight being a Giant Victory but as you know – “that’s just baseball” — rules everything regarding common sense. Adrenaline will be the key as well as 100 tickets probably gathered up by Dustin Pedroia for his Woodland Calif Peeps … as well at least another 7K Sawx Fans in attendence…

Rumor had it that the Bawstin Red Sawx left the Yahd last night and slept in their own wicked-pi$$a beds and got 2-5 hrs sleep and left Bawstin @ 8am their time — and maybe going from SFO to AT&T

If that’s true they might grab a petezer or three and play with much vigah tonight versus the Gigantes.

When the Giants plane landed at SFO last night, the Bosox-Yankees game was still going on.

Selig and his peeps are (of course) clueless. 😉

Polioptila Achtundzwanzig

ClutchUp says:
August 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

“Lasorda: Everything points to tonight being a Gnats victory…”

Except, of course, for the fact that the Sawx have a far superior roster and, on top of that, the advantage of facing Lincescum.

Quotation edited for spelling.

ClutchUp

Good read on Dustin Pedroia
(did not strike out once his senior yr in HS)

@Bapah? Pedroia 🙂 I think he grew up self effacing but when you’re 5’6 you can’t stay that way and succeed … in my view….

ClutchUp

2holehitting says: August 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am Looking back, who would you rather have now. Hanley R. or Hunter P? The P did little to spur them on to a WS, and Hanley is hands down mashing the ball this year.

Wow, seriously? Hanley wasn’t going to SS and he wasn’t hitting three bombs off of Verlander playing 3rd base. Pence filled a paper-need since Ross-Guillen and Nate were gone. Say what we wish about ALL of Pences’ obvious flaws but his work ethic and professionalism is what helped the G’s win 6 elimination games and sweep the Tigers.

I’ve never been a HUGE Hanley hater but Ozzie and Hanley’s teammates threw a party when he left. Davey Lopes came back to the Dodgers at Lasorda’s request to baby sit Kemp. Lopes succeeded by Hanley is high maitenance and depending where he goes he could be considered either a malcontent, a diva or a High-Low emotional time bomb.

No thank you!

avwh

Foothills:
No, the Baldwin with KC who was also a 1st-round pick and has disappointed. But he’s a bigger receiver than Jenkins, and has a better track record than Jenkins.

Funny that they make the trade 48 hours after playing each other in an exhibition.

The Giants never technically retaliated for the Rowand beaning, but if there ever was a time they should have, that was it. That Padilla guy was a thug. Rowand had gotten off to a nice start, and he never was any good after that. The only good part was Torres grabbed the job and that helped them win it all in 2010.

At a Dodger Stadium series in July that year, Lincecum was incredibly wild and hit Matt Kemp. Kershaw apparently thought that was intentional because he hit Rowand in retaliation (NOT in the face, but I still thought it was tacky given the beaning earlier in the season–send a message through someone else if you must).

Kershaw and Torre were ejected, and that led to Don Mattingly being in charge and making his famous “two trips” to the mound in the ninth inning–which led to an unplanned pitching change and a come-from-behind win for the Giants.

carmot

I’m getting the feeling we might see a really good pitching match-up today.

Nobody on either team really has ownage, but Ortiz is 1-for-2 with a HR off Timmy. Actually both teams are pretty poor against the opposing pitcher. Nava, Middlebrooks, Ellsbury, and Pedroia are coming in pretty hot. Belt, Sandoval, Blanco, Arias, and Sanchez are coming in pretty hot. Drew, Ortiz, Kieschnick, and Torres are pretty cold.

I realize Lester has only given up three walks in a start once in his past 8 starts, but I think getting 3+ BB would be a great start for us. Lester has walked at least three in 7 of his last 16 starts. Maybe jetlag could help this happen (they didn’t fly him here early, did they?).

And I’d still rather have Pence than Hanley. Hanley’s had a good couple of months for the Dodgers, but it’s the first good stretch he’s had in several years. Who knows how long it will last before he slumps, gets hurt, or throws a tantrum?

He’s injury-prone, a lousy defensive SS, and he’s not getting any younger. Not to mention he’s a bad guy, too–the Marlins players practically threw a parade, they were so happy when he was traded.

Pence is healthy and fit, a hard worker and a great teammate, and he’s been a consistent performer for seven years now (20+ HRs six years in a row and counting–on a pace for 20 HRs & 80+ RBIs & 20+ SBs this season). Unlike Hanley, he didn’t have a couple great years early and then go MIA for several years.

Also, as to World Series rings, Pence = 1; Hanley = 0.

Anti-Lasorda

Can Hanley play LF?

I don’t see why they have to be mutually exclusive…..

Lefty

Sure, Anti. Hanley can play LF, just like Pablo can. Or you, or me.

ClutchUp

Way much more remarkable than Dustin Pedroia is the Daniel Nava Story. Really, imagine what 4’8 and 70lbs must look like? And then at Eric Byrnes and Daniel Descalso’s HS (St Francis in Mt. View Ca) as a senior imagine what 5’5 at a 150lbs looks like. It looks like: “you can play CF but we’re not letting you hit”… Imagine being your college teams manage (mascot), gopher, laundry-doer…

Carmot Watch-Roger Bernadina just got released… I predict a few paragraphs are right around the corner.

MLBSF

Lefty says:
August 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

Kershaw and Torre were ejected, and that led to Don Mattingly being in charge and making his famous “two trips” to the mound in the ninth inning–which led to an unplanned pitching change and a come-from-behind win for the Giants.
=====

Ahhh, that’s the one I was thinking of!

I knew it was in L.A.

Who would have guessed Mattingly would eventually get Bochy back for Bochy’s embarrassing line-up gaffe.

You just know Mattingly was waiting and waiting for something. Fortunately for Mattingly, Bochy has had an absolutely god-awful year as manager.

carmot

Matthew:
“Carmot Watch-Roger Bernadina just got released… I predict a few paragraphs are right around the corner.”

You’ve got to be joking, right? I’d like to believe I have better sense than that. How exactly does Bernadina compare to those outfielders I’ve WANTED to see here? Michael Brantley, Alex Gordon, Carlos Gomez, Shin-Soo Choo? Oh right, he doesn’t.

If you want to look at it from the Train Bust’s perspective, they tried to claim Ted Lilly. Wasn’t Juan Rivera in consideration along with the likes of Scott Hairston and Reed Johnson for our outfield cartoon this past winter? If we’re going after a former Expo, no thanks. I’d rather the ‘flashback moment’ being the Dubs getting former Supersonic Kevin Durant. lol. ha ha.

I think your comment reflects more upon you than it does me. There’s your ‘few paragraphs,’ so I guess you weren’t all wrong.

H-Boston

channelclemente says:

August 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am 115..SFChron leads the Bay Area in stupid ideas, and poor writers. They do have a better IT department than the bozos here however.

Hey CC,

Boy, we’re critical today!

carmot

Matthew:

We need another sub-60 OPS+, negative WAR left-handed batting outfielder about as badly as…

We need another sub-60 OPS+, negative WAR right-handed batting outfielder.

Matthew

6 paragraphs… I rest my case ( not really… They were just in response to my needling so….not really)

MLBSF

carmot oh thy mythical missing element of philosophy – inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, deep, deep, deep breaths. What poster Matthew said is only because of recent track records of aforementioned Giants Brain Trust. You won’t get your own personal good juju back until you start spelling Brain Trust respectfully…. smh

Oh and Lefty I thought it over Mr Bochy’s batting lineup gaffe was actually not as bad as was Donny two steps gaffe. The Bochy lineup gaffe was corrected almost immediately and was due to that new fangled electronic board whereas the Torre & Mattingly gaffe was a much bigger kerfuffle and then the umpires officiating the game caused an even bigger conundrum by not enforcing the rule violation to the letter of the rule book.

But I digress; I’m going out on my roof garden now to catch some rays.

Last 51 games, Giants are 18-33, Bumbinos 42-9. I can’t fathom had these records been for the first 51 games of the season, G-men would be an Astros-like 24 games out of first…with 111 to play. A lot of cryin’ and whining would have been going on about early June if not earlier.
This season is bad. Play the kids now. Appreciate 2 World Series titles in 3 years, or go pursue a hobby.
BTW, Giants “Tragic Number” to be eliminated from division race is 23. Don’t let the Doyers clinch against us. It would be shades of 2004.
Countdown to February 2014 will commence soon (pitchers and catchers report).

MLBSF

carmot says:
August 19th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Giants lineup:

smh I just came back from a tanning session on the roof. Is this the real carmot with only a short post.

I knew I was making a difference.

smh

Lefty

MLBSF says:
August 19th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

Who would have guessed Mattingly would eventually get Bochy back for Bochy’s embarrassing line-up gaffe.

You just know Mattingly was waiting and waiting for something. Fortunately for Mattingly, Bochy has had an absolutely god-awful year as manager.
——————–

Well, I don’t know about getting Bochy back. The Giants won BOTH of those games, so even though Bochy was embarrassed about the lineup thing, it ended being harmless. The Donny Two-Trips gaffe cost the Dodgers the game. (Torres hit a bases-clearing double off George Sherrill–who had to come in hastily after Broxton had his forced exit–to win the game. The Giants were trailing in the ninth when the second mound visit happened.)

ClutchUp

Yasiel Puig was in the visitors clubhouse at Marlins Park & looked at the media gathered and yelled, “F**K the media” and left the room.

*** WoW… what have we here. Another mental midget for the respected Davey Lopes to place diapers on his bottom.

*** If McGwire gets a load of that, I’m betting on big Mac 🙂

Lefty

I read an article by Jon Paul Morosi yesterday that Puig is so error-prone that he could cost the Dodgers games in the postseason. Apparently he makes lots of base-running gaffes and defensive lapses (constantly overthrowing the cutoff man to show off his arm, for example).

Morosi said that Mattingly and the coaches are well aware of this and have talked to Puig about it, but he doesn’t seem interested in listening to them.

Sounds like Starlin Castro–another talented young player who can’t/won’t keep his head in the game.

MLBSF

Son of a biscuit Lefty, I hate it when you get like this to meeeee…but I must admit your knowledge of that incident is totally spot on.

I’ll try to do better but my forehead is peeling from too much sun on the bay yesterday on our yacht. My two guests… were… uh very tan and beautiful young ladies who live in my down town building.

Sigh, its nice to be as handsome as I am. Thanks for wishing me a lovely day earlier Lefty. You are a good friend for me to have.

Croix de Candlestick

Footie, it’s gotta be Journey, hands down. Formed in 1973 out of the Santana band, they have always had serious musical chops. Their catalog is deep and crosses virtually every genre from prog to melodic rock to motown to soul. Here’s a taste of something from their Santana-esque prog/latin roots: