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New Resource Centre for Tara Campaign

new site http://www.tuathadedannan.org/ has been set up as a
nuetral resource centre to provide a space for groups to exchange
information, news, ask for volunteers or help and publicise events,
and for individuals looking for ways to get involved.

We have started a resource web site to be used in the Save Tara
campaign to get the M3 moved from its current route so near to the
Hill of Tara.

We are former co-ordinating members of the Tarawatch site but we
felt that there were many groups all with the same aim but different
methods and ideas of how to go about it.
We felt that all opinions were valid but that a lot of energy was
going into what people felt should be done rather than getting
things done.

From this we came up with the idea of what we personally could do,
which is a communal site where people do not become members of any
organisation but where people can get together advertise their sites
and their protests. And where ordinary people could get together to
see what is going on and what they would like to participate in.

We will also do posters for people who want to run their own event.
We are not a money making site so we any money raised at events is
the repsonsibilty of both the person who runs the event and the
people who attend to ensure any money collected goes to where they
think it does.

The main projects we've started on are
1. Fly the TARA Banner high... asking people to show the Save Tara
or any Save Tara banner
in the most unusual place or to as many people as possible...
We'll supply a banner but people can make their own.

2. TARA 5000 Years, 1 Vote.
Focused on letting the politicians know how seriously people take
the threat to Tara.

3. Tuatha De Dannan - A resource for Parents and Educators.

We have a forum where people can come up with ideas and if we have
time space and energy we'll implement them.

We have a calendar where the public and groups can put in events. We
will moderate them so we don't have any silly bugger stuff initially
but groups can have their own login.

We also want to have input from other groups on the forum to allow
people to get re-directed from our site to a group which they think
will suit them.

We are not affiliated to any group, just wish to provide a space where all the various events can be cross-publicised etc.

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finally.....This is an excellent idea! If all the various groups fighting with each other instead of for tara would just coperate, and share info, more individuals like me would feel able to get involved. As it is if i join one group, it seems automatically we are "anti" another or are signing up to political crap. Any group serious about tara campaign should join and start reaching ordinary people who want a chacne to help.

For goodness sake, how many more websites, yahoo lists etc are going to appear connected to Tara? Enough is enough. This new one seems to be a breakaway group from VS's Tarawatch group and the only link is has is Tarawatch. Is this Salafia again? Under another name? If not, why mention Tarawatch at all?
To give credit, the Tarawatch website etc. is an excellent resource and there is also Savetara etc. This one with the Tuatha De Danann title will not come up immediately in a Tara search. There is nothing of note there except to split the Tara campaigns even further.
Anyway, as far as i can see there are quite enough sites already. The savetara one is already giving history, resources etc. It seems to me to be an absolute waste of people's time and energy in duplicating each other. Then there is savetaravalley and a forum that noone seems to visit, again duplication of resources. Again another further splitting of effort, work and in particular web design.
I've said it here before and I'll say it again - why cannot these groups just get together? They do not appear to even communicate as far as I can see!
Please, could everyone just cooperate before its too late?
If a snap election happens and it could, is anyone ready to move?
Pool your, obviously, excellent resources otherwise as i've said before, Tara will be gone and who is to blame ...........

I have gone through the new Tuatha de Danann website and it only confirms what I suspected. Its all been done before. There is nothing new and this is simply a rehash of material that exists already.
Events are being advertised here and elsewhere, there is absolutely no need for a new site.
If there are people who want to get involved the last thing needed is a new entity.
There is nothing new here, just the usual clap trap on 'sacred' Tara, inaccurate rubbish from Keating and anything of value has been lifted from other sites. Why not just help out with others instead of starting up on you own.
As i said, what a waste of resources, either stay with Tarawatch or help the existing sites/groups.
What's the point in advertising events in a site that noone will be bothered with?

Which groups do not talk to one another? To my best knowledge, they all do and are providing what is intended here already and are well known. There are too many places for people to connect on the web already.
For goodness sake will people get real and just get together and stop wasting people's time.

if you read the notice above, Equally Frustrated you'll see there are some new things on the site. But in the end it's just an offer, a space, that people can use or not as they want. If individuals like the commenter above feel that there is a difficulty in knowing how to get involved then obviously some people would use the group. If there is no demand for it, fine, but the space is there and the facility if people need it. All we're trying to do , in response to comments made to us by sincere individuals looking to get involved in a campaign to save tara, is provide a space where all groups can advertise their events to reach out to the "floating" individuals who for one reason or another do not wish to be members of a group.
Tuatha De Dannan isn't a group, nor is it trying to steal anyone's thunder. It's just an idea to provide a kind of giant bulletin board/clearing house/network facility.
Isn't it a bit sad that the first reaction to that is criticism :)? maybe that's why a lot of ordinary people *won't* get involved.........

OOOps forgot to say Equally Frustrated, the only reason tarawatch was mentioned is because we came into contact with members of various groups while involved in tarawatch, and it would A) remind them and B) is honest, lest anyone think there is some "covert" connection with any group :D :D All a bit cloak and dagger but then you immediately thought we were "vincent " in disguise....anyway again, its just a facility, use it or not.

JAYSUS why the paranoia. that's why i won't get invovled with groups and the same with many other people. Would love to get involved in various events but really hate this personal shit above. Stop worrying about who is in what group and what group does what. I like the idea of one place where people can post stuff, and then folk like me can go along. I don't want to join one of these egroups because every time anyone from one posts something even on here they get attacked by the others. Tara is important not your egos :(

Why the pananoia. Where have you been? Actually, why all of a sudden when this is over - you people are appearing out the woodwork?
Where have you been all these years?
Bit late for your new websites and concerns now ... the road will begin in 2007. Its not an issue in my home country, its a given fact.

Just goes to show how little you know about what has been happening and going on. Paranoia is absolutely necessary on this issue. You cannot escape 'personal shit' either. People are after all people and they get personal. They are not machines. One must worry about who is in what group - believe me one must. I take great offence that you imply that this is about my ego - Tara is more important and all this scattering of resources is a complete waste of time, energy and makes the campaign look ridiculous. That's if its possible that it could look more ridiculous than it is. For Gods sake wake up and smell the coffee. All this airy-fairy nonsence about the 5000 year history of Tara etc. has been done to death. Between druids, newagers, fairies and God knows who else you are wrecking any decent image Tara might have had. Read some real history for goodness sake.
Yeah, I'm angry, all this nonsense makes me angry. And I'm sick of people not local and unaware of the past history giving me lectures. History, learn from history otherwise the same mistake is repeated over and over again. You are re-inventing the wheel, all this is being done elsewhere - just get together and get real.

some aspects of the campaign have separated it from others and isolated
the Meath community.

suggestion to tuatha site:- Meet up with the locals, savetara and the communities.
Often times what is done on a computer is not enough and face to face works a lot
better.

Get to know the people who have given years of their lives to it.
Remember that the legal environmental issue has over-shadowed everything
and that the community has had no voice because of the Media-drive of that
campaign.

Why not go to the meeting in Navan, make a short address, let people know
what you do and take it from there?

Hi all,
Without getting involved in the debate I agree with android - to this end two local issues that I and others have posted here.
First the March on November 4th. This is the first march in Meath itself. Instead of arguing and providing more and more sites - attend the March and let the new people introduce themselves to us who are at this stage old-handers, experienced and at this stage getting a little more than tired. (and I do not mean to blow my own trumpet but as some else said here - there is no point in reinventing the wheel)

Second, I have posted information maps etc on the planning appeal. This is crucially important and objections need to be sent in.
Focus please on the issues that can be addressed. These planning permissions show that that we warned of is coming true and Dick Roche says that it has nothing to do with him.
After he said that he would keep on eye on the area.
So - as I say check that thread out please, it went up last night.

Also, instead of sounding out here, write a letter. At least they attract attention and keep the issue in the public eye.
Addresses for about 50 newspapers in the Files at the SaveTara Yahoo group and emails for TDs as well.
Scattergun the letters, send them everywhere.

I would like to draw people's attention to the fact that the planning application is from Cathal McCarthy. I have posted the articles on his connections with Fianna Fail and others here already.
Secondly, I would like to apologise for the fact that I have been pasting an inaccurate link into my posts.
The proper link below.

I would to thank the Indymedia editors for permitting my 'diatribes' and for allowing me to retain my anonymity. This is a very important space where those of us who cannot possibly reveal our identity due to unavoidable circumstances may express our views openly and honestly.
I have stated again and again that I and my family are from Meath and therefore a lot closer to this issue than many of the people here, especially those from Australia who have suddenly taken it upon themselves to take control of the campaign by sending endless messages to all the Yahoo groups involved.
I'm not attacking everyone who wants to save Tara but I do question the underlying motivation of some of those involved and the damage that has been done to this and other campaigns. The campaign is perceived as a dead issue in Meath. It was hijacked by outsiders and taken away from local control.
Perhaps to you Robyn I appear to be a 'loose cannon' but many Irish people here agree with me that this campaign could be won but that it is now close to being lost and that not all groups can work together. Well perhaps the groups could, without one individual, but that is unlikely to happen. People have had enough of it over the past 3-6 years. Yes, years Robyn, historians, archaeologists etc. spent years of their lives as did the local campaigners.
If you cannot divine my strategy you are not reading my posts here and I'll not repeat myself.
In response to your invitation to meet, issued here and elsewhere, no, I will not be meeting with you alone, with V. Salafia or with or without any group.
I have the right to remain anonymous and I will retain that right. Believe me, I know a lot more about what has been going on than you ever will and I'd advise you to calm down if you plan on coming to Ireland because this type of ranting and raving is exactly what has been the death of this campaign. Calmness, logic and figures were what were necessary not the mad pronouncements of those who simply have no idea what they are talking about.
The disagreement between the people (not groups - as groups are just a collection of people) on this issue arose due to one megalomaniac trying to take over, sowing dissention between others and deliberately scuppering the issue.
I do not need history lessons from someone who will create the same dissention if they continue this type of posting here and elsewhere. You are beginning to sound incredibly the aforementioned Mr. Salafia/ alter ego? If you two meet you'll cancel each other out.
On the matter of the English invasion, it was the Pope of Rome who sanctioned Henry 11 to invade Ireland. Poor Dermot just came along at the right time and speeded things up a little bit.
The question is - who is the 'common enemy'? The NRA have had a great advocate in the Tara campaign. The whole Carrickmines situation led to the change in the National Monuments Act, it had some importance but it did not merit the media circus that it became and it ruined the way for Tara. Tara was painted with the Carrickmines/Salafia brush as soon as he got involved and that was the death knell of the cause.
So Robyn, before you open your mouth again, take one foot out to make room for the second one or you will choke on your own incredible ignorance.
I have absolutely no intention of emailing you either or waste my time in any personal conversation. Fire away, publicly humiliate me, but there is one thing sure, one thing no one who knows me can accuse me of is cowardice. But then you'll never know me to find that out.
The main point is - who has the guts to bring the people who have been alienated by Mr Salafia together and rebuild a campaign?
Now they are the real cowards - those who will not face him down and tell him to leave Tara alone.

No-one has to defend themselves against the direct attack on and co-option
of the community campaign, by someone who believes the cause of Tara is
something that they and they alone can personally identify with. Well done and
keep speaking up.

I admire your guts.

I hope that people like you who can see what is happening in Tara, and the co-option of
the issue who seems to want to bury it will come out and support the two hard working women
who are organising this march and not buy the reckless propaganda provided by the salafia
co-option.

I am completedly at a loss to understand you Equally Frustrated or Sympathiser.

Again, I ask you to PLEASE spell out an alternative way to save Tara.

Saving Tara is the most important issue now, not whether you hate myself and/or Vincent.

I too have personal issues disagreeing with some of the approaches Vincent has taken, and I am in discussions with him about this, but it has not stopped me supporting his litigation and knowing he has a good heart and the best intentions for Tara. If he is doing it wrong, why not give him the feedback and guidance to do it right?

Again, I plead with you, if you hate Vincent and Tarawatch, then PLEASE tell him and me what we both should be doing instead?

Vincent is not running the Navan march, he is merely representing one of the many groups that are coming along on the day. All groups have been asked to publicise the march. It is extremely incorrect and misleading of you to publish here on Indymedia otherwise.

I am approaching this issue using the knowledge and tactics that I have from observation and involvement in many many successful campaigns in Australia. Of course I have no idea about Ireland. As I have said before, how can I know something unless the Irish tell me? TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD BE DOING INSTEAD EQUALLY FRUSTRATED AND SYMPATHISER.

Why are you afraid to meet me or email me? Why do you need anonymity? What is there to be so scared of in Ireland? Why won't you get a safe anonymous web email so we can take this discussion offlist and stop bothering people?

WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE INSTEAD???? What does what I write on other egroups have to do with Indymedia? If you are watching these other egroups - where are your posts on how to do it better?

I am waiting for your pearls of wisdom as to how to unite the warring splinter groups.

Dich Roche must be laughing all over his face when he reads your subversive and negative attacks and sees you destroy any attempts for chohesive unity against current Government policy.

I beg of you Equally Frustrated and Sympathiser to start showing some leadership and harness the energy of Vincent and myself who are obviously babes in the wood compared to your wisdom.

What should VS do? Leave, emigrate and leave Tara to those who really care about the issue.
And you should listen to those who know better, you have no idea what your talking about, until you do just stop this nonsense.
There is no court case to be taken by VS - his sole reason for being involved. His part in this is over and not only that but he bottled it.
I'm not dignifying this with any more replies.
Life's too short for dealing with morons - I could get abusive like yourself but I'll button it ...

We will nominate him for anything he wants, money, women, media etc
if he will leave Tara out of the equation.

He has done enough.

Ye can take that any way you want!!

Proposal: Nominate VS for a person of the year award, so that he can go to LA
and lecture, therby freeing the local campaign to pick up the pieces and move
on from the strangulation of the media/PR campaign.

We will nominate him for anything he wants, money, women, media etc
if he will leave Tara out of the equation.

He has done enough.

Ye can take that any way you want!!

Proposal: Nominate VS for a person of the year award, so that he can go to LA
and lecture, therby freeing the local campaign to pick up the pieces and move
on from the strangulation of the media/PR campaign.

Dear Robyn,
Thanks for the laugh and to redjade for a real belly laugh.
You really believe all that you see on Myspace? Wow, thought you knew better!
Seriously, just go away and find another campaign to annoy cos we're quite frankly sick of your crap