After Iraq gains, Qaeda offshoot claims Islamic "caliphate"

Agreed on the need to see him stopped early and while it's still possible to do it.

There is one BIG thing I came away from the Nasiri book with (the guy who went through the Al Qaeda training camps before 9/11). These guys send out
fighters in a world wide franchise. I mean, to the fighters on that side, it's not a bunch of different wars in Chechnya to Iraq to Syria to Kenya to
the Philippines. It's ONE war. Many campaigns.

He won't be so easy to interdict if those various elements all coverage back into one force, in one place. It still wouldn't match numerical forces
of Western armies ..but then, these guys don't fight stand up fights so numbers aren't nearly as important as they once were I believe.

I hate to say this...but this is where some of that "evil" logic from the movie The Siege comes into play. Lose small or lose Big? It's lose either
way beyond a certain point, IMO. Just mitigation beyond that.

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Their use of commercial drones as look outs and spies, their net presence and marketing....no this guy is the real deal. He has been doing this since
2003 and now he has a real powerbase, serious resources and multitudes flocking from all over europe and russia to join him.....

I know Is was heading to the saudi Arabian border and that Egypt was sending forces to bolster them and I know iraq just got their jets......

Who wants to bet the planes belong to IS within a month?

More importantly where is the largest and closest group of people he would want dead?

That is what I figure is next really, this caliphate will create a call for many of them to converge in one place.... maybe. But keeping some spread
out will also be important, the whole, mess with us we will mess with you.

So its the extras that will converge. He would still need threats in place to prevent other countries from fighting. That would be useful to him in
the long run.

Oil fields are next, he is taking over the banks and monetary abilities of every town he has taken... he will need larger monetary abilities than only
that. This gives him money to pay his followers, but he needs the oil fields and Baghdad for any further country invading force.

Saddam wasn't this guy...he doesn't need to conquer their cities, just decimate them chemically. Do we really believe that we got all of Syrias
chemical weapons? Wouldn't all of this make more sense if the Caliph had a few secret trump cards buried in the sand?

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Interesting Israel comes out today in support of a Kurdish state,now Turkey is 72 per cent Sunni and 25 per cent Shia,whilst the Kurds are mostly
Sunni,could this be a move to put a wedge or spanner in the works of a Sunni state?

Abu Bakr had a caliphate where the vote was not attended by everyone, nor agreed to by everyone. Sunni's teach it was still a valid caliphate.

Only the shia disagree with that... that is what caused the sunni shia split. This right here, is what caused the first split in Islam, and sunni for
1400 years have been teaching it was valid.

This is why I said, he named himself aptly... he knows what he is doing...

Here you go with more sunnie hate mongering ! With disinformation

Lets give the members a more accurate discription of events and let them decide

after the death of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) Muslims began to argue about who should be the next leader of Muslims, some of those who favoured hazrat
ali were called shias and those who favoured hazrat abu bakar and hazrat umer were called sunnis. but all three of them became khalifa one by one in
the end.
The unfortunate incident of the merciless martyrdom of the grandson of the holy Prophet (MPBUH) along with the members of his family at Karbala caused
the split in the Muslims - Shiites and Sunnies, though the incident was equally condemnable for all the Muslim Ummah. It is equally regarded shameful
and hateful by the Sunnies. No Muslim justifies it. They have the same regard and love for the Ahli-Bait as anybody else may claim.

The kurds have been a thorn in everyone's side, but i don't see this as any big spanner. Just a light headache. He has been granting some level of
autonomy through sharia and jizya... I see him as better able to deal with the kurds than anyone else most likely.

Well if the kingdom of Saud falls, then this Caliph will have Mecca Medina.......could ally with Israel to break Iran. Common goals and all....

Historically there was no Israel nation when the Caliphate was founded so there is no historical precedent to stop the scenario. The act of alliance
could be twisted to say it was a subservient act of a nation with common ancestry to aid the Caliphate, like all infidels are supposed to be
subservient or whatever.

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