This review simply lacks content, especially considering there's already 6+ reviews that actually had some effort put into them. There are two other questionable reviews for this album, all from 2004, and similarly sparse in description.

Could this review, besides being crappy, be deleted for factual inaccuracy for stating that the album is a split and that one half is one artist and the other half the other (he even complains about both halves sounding the same, derp), when really it is a collaboration all the way through?

This review contains very little description that would accurately depict the album being reviewed and seems to be written with the sole intent of trolling Edge of Sanity fans. Proof of this is evident by the 0% review and the comparisons to Korn and metalcore.

His most positive review is a 20% review of Disincarnate, the rest of the reviews being between 99% and 100%. This one also seems to be written to skew the average score, but I'm not familiar with the album.

The reviews for Carcass, Watain, The Faceless, Gorguts, Broken Hope and Satyricon are also possible troll reviews.

I admit that they aren't badly written reviews per se, except for the glaringly inaccurate Edge of Sanity review. There is also possible self-plagiarism, in that he seems to have similar complaints for a whole bunch of different albums.

_________________And they'll tell you black is really white - The moon is just the sun at night - And when you walk in golden halls - You get to keep the gold that falls - It's Heaven and Hell

This review contains very little description that would accurately depict the album being reviewed and seems to be written with the sole intent of trolling Edge of Sanity fans. Proof of this is evident by the 0% review and the comparisons to Korn and metalcore.

His most positive review is a 20% review of Disincarnate, the rest of the reviews being between 99% and 100%. This one also seems to be written to skew the average score, but I'm not familiar with the album.

The reviews for Carcass, Watain, The Faceless, Gorguts, Broken Hope and Satyricon are also possible troll reviews.

I admit that they aren't badly written reviews per se, except for the glaringly inaccurate Edge of Sanity review. There is also possible self-plagiarism, in that he seems to have similar complaints for a whole bunch of different albums.

Bitterman is not a troll, he's an established member of the community over at http://www.deathmetal.org and has expressed such views on that website (around which parts they are generally considered to be valid opinions, so I doubt he's attempting to "troll" the denizens of that board) months before he started posting reviews to the Metal Archives. He's just a guy with a weird taste in music.

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Wilytank wrote:

Aeosphorus wrote:

there are post-black metal bands such as ...Sunn O.

When did we start calling Sunn O))) black metal and how soon can we stop?

Troll might not be an accurate term, but he's clearly just writing those reviews to stir up the pot and get these kinds of cry-baby reactions from the public here. It doesn't feel genuine at all, even when I do believe he actually has those opinions. Still though, pretty silly for people to get so worked up over it.

Bitterman is not a troll, he's an established member of the community over at http://www.deathmetal.org and has expressed such views on that website (around which parts they are generally considered to be valid opinions, so I doubt he's attempting to "troll" the denizens of that board) months before he started posting reviews to the Metal Archives. He's just a guy with a weird taste in music.

I'm only going by a couple of posts from July and April made on front-page news stories, but it seems bitterman isn't nearly as bitter there compared to his reviews here. Still largely negative and critical, but I'm not getting the sense that he's trying to be antagonistic with his posts over there, while with the Edge of Sanity review that seems to be the main objective.

Another telling thing I discovered wasn't posted by bitterman, but by fellow members of deathmetal.org in this thread. It seems some members there don't like Metal Archives.

_________________And they'll tell you black is really white - The moon is just the sun at night - And when you walk in golden halls - You get to keep the gold that falls - It's Heaven and Hell

Being the EOS buff that I am I had to see what it was this time. I stopped reading at the first sentence and dismissed any further effort in actually reading it. Best thing to do about that guy is to ignore him since one, Mods will continue to accept his reviews, and two, his method isn't going to change.

I honestly don't understand why people are getting so butthurt over some 0% reviews. Is it just because teh guy is shitting on something you like, if so grow up, or is there more to it? I mean honestly this guy is just being a twat for the sake of it so why is he getting so much attention from people. The biggest problem I see with him is that some one in passing may take his drivel as a serious review but that's about the only negative affect he may have here. In all honesty he's actually doing this site a service (in my opinion) more than not because he's just proving that scoring an album (or at least the numerical system we use) is a flawed system. Honestly if the decision to do away with a numerical score was made I feel it would strengthen the reviews process. But again this is just my humble opinion so.

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niix wrote:

'the reason your grandmother has all those plastic sheets on her furniture is because she is probably a squirter'

Crick wrote:

Raw eggs tastier than semen? What horrid ooze-troll have you been blowing?

^^ I absolutely agree there. I feel like tbe only reason these conversations happen is because there is an immediate numerical effect whether it be positive or negative. I get the feeling that a lot of people don't even bother to actually read the reviews, they just see the score and make a decision based solely on that. If we took away the numbers people would actually have to read a review and most likely wouldn't throw a bitch fit because some one didn't like their favorite album.

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niix wrote:

'the reason your grandmother has all those plastic sheets on her furniture is because she is probably a squirter'

Crick wrote:

Raw eggs tastier than semen? What horrid ooze-troll have you been blowing?

I find it mostly just sad. As someone who's not really a fan of anything he's given the ol' UltraBoris to, I get the impression that he's an older guy who was involved in the death metal scene around the early 90's then fell out of the loop for twenty years. Then recently, for whatever reason, his interest in metal was reignited but his exposure to new music is limited to stuff he comes across in some awful mainstream metal rag or somesuch, now that he's not so connected to the scene. Of course most of that stuff is crap, hence the attitude and the reviews.

Only familiar with a few albums Bitterman has reviewed and I don't really care either way... I agree most are easy targets. I listened to Pantera in like 3rd grade, they were good then, but who cares about them now? Edge of Sanity - Crimson was a good album for long drives when you had 40 uninterrupted minutes, I still own the album, but haven't listened to it in like 10 years. Kult ov Azazel, a lot of people seem to hate them anyway, I personally like their earlier stuff, but their last album was really boring even to me so a low score is warranted. Everyone seems to love that Disincarnate album, I gave it some listens many years ago, but don't remember it having much impact.

The only unforgivable and vile thing about Bitterman is his "deaf" puns. He's clearly not a troll since 70% of what he reviews are nobody bands, and I say this as a massive Disincarnate fan. Harden the fuck up.

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Naamath wrote:

No comments, no words need it, no BM, no compromise, only grains in her face.

I personally don't give a shit what Bitterman has to say. He can rate as much stuff zero as he wants. I actually find his reviews interesting and he has a vast knowledge of crappy unknown bands. The bigger bands he attacks are definitely easy targets. The thing I find most amusing about his reviews are all of the overt slams of other bands he's not actually reviewing to put down the album reviewed at hand.

The one thing I would love to see a positive review from him, but doubt he's going to open himself up to stating what he actually likes as it may or may not undermine his credibility.

This review is rather vague and reads more like a stream of consciousness instead of an actual review of the album. Also the reviewer admts that he gave the album "an ultra-low score just in case someone thought this would be of any relevance". Rather unfair to give a low score just to draw attention.

Apparently a mod oversight, does not describe the album the least bit.

My initial thought was that you'd be wrong in the "doesn't describe the album" part, because the mods would have seen it, but man there's zero real description in it. There's describing the feeling of the album, but what it actually sounds like is absent.

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gomorro wrote:

Yesterday was the birthday of school pal and I met the chick of my sigh (I've talked about here before, the she-wolf I use to be inlove with)... Maaan she was using a mini-skirt too damn insane... Dude you could saw her entire soul every time she sit...

I'm the author of said review. I agree that the end result kind of only portrays the general feeling of the album and not so much the actual music. It just turned out that way.Similarities with the other mentioned review are definitely present, I just checked that out. However, these are purely accidental, similar view points, I guess.

Sorry if the review I posted is against the rules or something, and if so, by all means, delete it.

The mod who accepted it says it is okay, but I think anyone else would agree that there really is next to no content whatsoever regarding any musical description. We could forego discussing it further and dragging other mods into it (as you all know I would) if you beefed it up a little, though.

This new album from METAL CHURCH is a vast improvement over 1999s lackluster "Masterpeace" ! I really didn´t like that one and was quickly bored with it after one listening. As of now there are only two original members of METAL CHURCH still in the band (Kurt Vanderhoof and Kirk Arrington) and they´ve recruited the great singing voice of Ronny Monroe, formerly of ROTTWEILLER and guitarist Jay Reynolds from MALICE. Ronny really shines on this album, often reminding me slightly of Dio. Basically the album, unlike the thrashier earlier work, is straightforward Heavy Metal with lots of good riffing and melodies. A decent release that I recommend to anyone who was disappointed with the last album but liked the previous work and don´t expect to hear something like the first few albums.

What I got from that was Ronny reminds her slightly of Dio, and that this is a heavy metal album with good riffing and melodies. Pretty much describes just about any heavy metal album in existence, bar a few, of course.

The other three reviews on there do a much better job at telling how the music sounds like.

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gomorro wrote:

Yesterday was the birthday of school pal and I met the chick of my sigh (I've talked about here before, the she-wolf I use to be inlove with)... Maaan she was using a mini-skirt too damn insane... Dude you could saw her entire soul every time she sit...

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