What Is The Best Type Of Person To Marry?

1. What is the best type of man for a woman to marry? For both the man and the woman.

It ain’t the badboy, cuz he will cheat or fuck off shortly after they marry, if at all.

It ain’t the beta, cuz she’ll be miserable the whole time, and then so will he.

Is it the Good Alpha? Does that exist?

The best type of man for a woman to marry is a man she loves. Sounds trite, but without that prerequisite in place, the marriage is doomed to either divorce or dissimulation. Maybe arranged marriages work better than love marriages on paper, but a loveless, arid business arrangement designed to smoothly usher in the next generation of cogs for the belching corporaglobomilitaryeducationalswplstatuswhoring machine is no way to go through life, son. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s get down to brass tacks.

He should be higher status than her, i.e. superior to her in some observable trait or accomplishment. That status can come in many forms. He could be better educated, smarter, richer, funnier, more socially savvy, better connected, more charming, more confident, more dominant, better traveled, more artistic, or really really good at inspiring interest from other women.

But there are two big caveats. One, he should not be much higher status than her. A large discrepancy in status between a husband and wife — where the wife’s status is measured by her looks, not her accomplishments — virtually guarantees his straying. For instance, a man with 9 status (let’s say he’s a war zone photographer who travels the world for work) will cheat if the woman he marries is only an 8 or lower in looks, and the frequency and haste with which he cheats will be in proportion to the gap between his status rank and her looks rank. So if his wife is a 9, there is a 50/50 chance of monogamous bliss. If she’s a 10, he will be less likely to stray than he would be to remain faithful to her. But if she’s a 6, he’ll be cheating with a bridesmaid in the upstairs bathroom during the reception dinner.

Two, under no circumstance should he be better looking than her, regardless of his non-looks status. This is the one area where a woman’s status must reign supreme for there to be harmony in the land. Of course, it’s difficult to directly compare men’s looks to women’s looks. Cross gender beauty comparisons must rely on contrasting two distinct templates without much overlap. But generalizations can be made. Does he look like a male model and she look like a plain jane? Release the cheats! It doesn’t matter if he’s unemployed or dumb; if he’s better looking than his wife he will feel a strong primal pull to leverage his looks for short term flings with better looking women. A groom’s wedding vows are only as strong as his bride’s looks. If the wife looks comparatively less good-looking than the husband, she has completely relinquished any power over him. This is a recipe for marital unrest.

Maxim #59: The most successful marriages are those with a balance of power that slightly favors the husband’s status over the wife’s looks.

So what does this mean for women attracted to bad boys? Well, bad boys have status in the areas of social savviness, dominance, confidence, and usually charm. A woman who wants a bad boy — that is, she specifically wants a man who is good at getting other women — needs to parse the lesser bad boys from the greater badder boys, based on an honest assessment of her looks. If she’s a hard 10, she can shoot for the baddest boys. Bad boys are more likely to stray than other men in almost any scenario, but even they have weak underbellies. A bad boy engaged to a bodacious woman will work harder to curb his instincts than he would with a more average woman, especially if that bodacious woman has credible options in the dating market.

My advice for women seeking to maximize their domestic bliss windows at the expense of their drama windows is to avoid the bad boys or date one with a steady job and at least ten years older. The age gap will make him more grateful to be with you, and his primal pull to spread his seed will have mellowed.

Betas need not feel left out from all this fun. There is an army of fatter, uglier women out there who will be relieved happy to settle in their 30s for a beta.

I don’t want to shit all over the betas. There is hope. Plenty of betas get married. If you are a beta with no game, the key is to marry a woman not too much hotter than what you can normally get, and to be excellent in at least one pursuit. It could even be computer programming. As long as you can lord one accomplishment or status marker over your wife, her attraction for you will percolate. But betas would be much better off learning game. That well-paid computer programmer with an understanding of relationship game can safely marry a woman one or two points higher than what he could otherwise get, without worrying too much that he’ll be cuckolded.

2. Is a woman’s attractiveness absolute or relative or both? Does Brad Pitt think that a 9/10 woman is still hot? Or is she ugly, cuz he can bang 10s on the regular?

I believe that positive pheromones are correlated with good looks. Does that mean a 9/10 stinks to a 10/10, or do they still smell good?

Thanks

el chief

A woman’s attractiveness is an absolute. There is no Uglitopia where Rachel McAdams could go that would make her look ugly and Cigstache look good. Brad Pitt, no matter how bored he gets fucking the same 10 over and over, will always recognize that a 10 is a 10 and a 2 is a 2. When Brad Pitt cheats, 99% of the time he’ll cheat with other 9s and 10s. If female beauty weren’t an absolute, Pitt would randomly cheat with whichever woman was available, and that would include fatties and uglies. In fact, with obesity in the US at record levels, a “beauty is subjective” world would feature lots of high status men cheating with fat, ugly women. But that is not what we see.

Pheromones are an interesting clause to the above truths. Evidence is mounting that smell — the scent of our lovers — plays a role in how attracted we feel to them. Women who smell the yellow pits of t-shirts worn by men with histo-compatible profiles feel more strongly attracted to them. Personally, I know that from my own experience two women of equal looks can trigger divergent boner responses from me if I prefer the smell of one over the other. None of this is conscious, by the way. A lot of this pheromone stuff happens at the subconscious level. So maybe women should cut men a break when they catch them sniffing their panties. We’re just checking to see if you’d make a good wife.

Only once the basic biomechanical criteria are met should a man or woman prospecting for a marriage partner begin the task of gathering clues from his or her lover’s personality that would indicate a predilection for faithfulness or for unreliability. Does he actually remember small details of what you say? Check one for the keeper column. Does she get a little too irate when she catches you innocently flirting with women at a mixed social event? Check one for the chucker column. Do this for six months, then tally your keeper and chucker columns. If 3/4s or more of your check marks are in the keeper column, you may risk marriage and its attendant drudgery.

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the best kind of man for a women to marry is a sucker. lzozlzlzlzlzl!!

the vast majority of women, before they even think of marrying these days, have have had 10-20 cocks in various orifices, gulping down semen and acquiring stds in tehir anal cavities and vaginal areas. this is no lozlzlzlzlzing matter!!

10-20-30 other dudes had her FOR FREE when she was younger/hotter/tighters, and now you, the SUCKER, have to pay for sloppy thirds, fourths, and 31sts lsoslslsl!!!

you hvae to buy a diamond and ut it on her finger which was wrapped around other rock-hard cock, as she gave it a hand job back anbd forth until it ejaculated in her mouth and now you have to put a ring on it. lzozlzlzlzllz and chances are on her bacherlotte poarty night that same hand will be wrapped around another cock, with your ring touching another man’s meat pete. lzozlzlzlzllzlzlz

then you have to pay for all the knick knacks and trinkets she fills your home with, then you have to pay for the kids and then child support and alimony in over 50% of teh cases, and 80% of women initiate divorce lzozlzllzlz.

you see her at her worst–all teh pms crap, farting, and married women turn of sex to tehir partners while spreading for otehr men these days.

through desouled women, the fed now has access to your home and all your computers and bank accounts. they make sure that numerous cocks are shoved into women in their formative stages, desouling and cyunicizing them and making them loyal to the fed lozlzlz..

fifty short years ago a man got a loyal woman who was likely a virgin who didn’t have fifty email acocunts on aduylt dating services like facebook/mysapce stec where she pursues her passion of experimenting with buttsex with bikers. she was expected to raise teh kids and obey her husband, but today that is considered opression and men can be thrown in jail for asking a woman to behaves like aw woman lzozlzl..

today women are the property of the banking cartel–they will be more loyal to tehir corproate bosses tahn their husbands, and tehy will destroy a family on corproate command, throwing the children in corprate-state day care and giving them the corproate state drugs to dumb them down. lzozlzlzlzlzlzl

omg i was busying facebooking and i forgot to add that after you buy an engagement ring for someone who 10-20-30 other men got FOR FREE when she was younger/hotter/tighter you will someday also have to pay alimony for past use of a pussy while some other dude is banging her for free and living off your alimony/child support. lzozllzlzlzlzllzlllzzllzlzl!!

Ive watched my parents each get married a few times. Whenever my mom got divorced she came up with lots of cash. When mu dad got divorced it seemed to devestate him.

I remember very well my dad giving me solemn advice after his third divorce. He said “Women will eat you alive if you let them.” Do you think my Mom was saying shit like that after the divorce? Fuck no! She was still talking about the power and majesty of love. Shit. I would be too if I was guaranteed half a guys pension for a 7 year marriage that produced no children Fucking crazy

in the bible jesus says, “there are those who say they are going who do not go, and there are those who say they are not going who do go.”

now roissy never claims to be going–to be serving jesus–but yet, by his speaking THE TRUTH, he sets us free, doing far more good to humanity than the feminized, std-riddden, whore-clubbing materialistic churches who vagina squirt all over god, truth, reason and all the great things men have accomplished; for men, not women created religion. zeus is a ocmin on home alongside moses.

so it is that roissy is far more christian than all those aging neocon republicans like bill bennett who has lost millions gambling it away in vegas and all the sean hannity’s and mark levines who try to claim reagan’s mantle when all they do is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and warmonger. zlozlzzl.

Thursday, “The median number of partners for American women is 4, so this isn’t literally true. However, beware the urban slut machine: the average number of partners for NYC women is 20 and Chicago is soft polygamy central.”

yeah i saw that statistic and it is “4 per year.”

so a 30 year old has had like 60 partners lzozlllzlzl.

besides what is she doing taking cock inside her mouth and gina outside of marriage? i mean marriage takes palce in a chucrch. so why is she forefeiting all of its principles by gulping down large amounts of semen as teh fed hardens her soul to love and teh family so she can break it up and put the kids in stae daycare and put them on stae drugs and rape the man’s bank accounts and give it to the govgernment? lzozlzl

Arranged marriages through the ages were fairly successful – (a) because of the tightknit social network of teh cultures that practice them, and the social support/shaming system (carrot & stick) to help make them successful; and (b) because the parents often did a better job of matching long term success/compatibility indicators than horny teenagers ever would (appropriately matched looks and likely compatible family backgrounds and social stations, etc.).

This is a primal instinct gone badly wrong in the modern world, like a moth flying into a flame. A truly perverse and self-destructive behavior: falling for the men who will always, always, always, treat them badly. Note that badboy =/= alpha in this sense. distinguishable by character, upbringing, courtesy, kindness, etc. in fact, “socially savvy” might not be the best phrase to use to describe the badboy who lies, cheats, steals, and flaunts the rules that bind society together. more like sociopathic.

the scent of our lovers plays a role in how attracted we feel to them.

This is absolutely true. Don’t remember the details but read something about this once. Phermones have a powerful subconscious effect. Same with kissing – there’s actually receptors for exchange of DNA in saliva by which your brain and body test for chemical markers and compatilbiltry. Talk about the god of biomechanics…

If man’s status increases with age, i.e. more money, status and power, and a woman’s looks decrease with age, there will be a steady and constant increase in the delta status between them meaning that all marriages are eventually doomed.

James screwed women who were barely attractive, and one fairly ugly fatty. She was convenient. Woods screwed waitresses who were about 7, or so, and milf like porn stars that were fairly old. But they were convenient. Bill Clinton “rolled a fat one” because she was just there. John Edwards? Can anyone say why an aging, kind of icky party girl like Rielle Hunter would be arousing to a guy who can pull better quality? He was just lazy.

I’d say there is enough evidence that a man inclined to stray, who has the least bit of status, will do so even though his wife is hot. While no one called Hillary or Elizabeth Edwards remotely attractive, both Elin Nordgren and Sandra Bullock are far more attractive than the sort of skanks and lower level Wendy Schwartz like strippers and tattooed models and porn stars Woods and James had. Then there’s Tom Brady. Bridget Moynahan was clearly a 9.9, but Tom Brady dumped her, after having a kid with her, for an even hotter supermodel. Let’s not forget, even Christie Brinkley, in the upper 1/2 of 1% of attractiveness for women her age, got cheated on by her husband with a 17 year old babysitter, of at best average looks, when the man was in his late 50’s.

I would advise women to be serious about what they want. IF they want all the things associated with the bad boys, including excitement, thrills, the envy of other women, then pursue it but understand the likelihood of being betrayed is close to 100%, even if they are Christie Brinkley, or Gisele Bundchen, or Elin Nordgren, as they age, or their husbands get bored, or they find some skank like Wendy Schwartz convenient. They won’t tame them, just “rent them” for a while.

IF women don’t want to be cheated on, humiliated, and betrayed, they must therefore pursue a beta. This means giving up on the excitement, thrills, and envy of other women. They must also be careful in assessing a beta’s character as well, and carefully select on character, honor, that sort of thing. Understanding that a far lower (it will never be zero) probability of being cheated on means other women don’t envy and try to bed their husband, less excitement and thrills of domination, etc, a more companionate marriage. Boring sex but little chance of STDs from hubby’s latest fling or a bastard child popping up to supplant her own.

Women cannot have it all — they must choose hot sex and near certainty of being betrayed or boring, safe sex, but much lower chance of being cheated on. It is their choice.

So Mr. Roissy… are you basically saying an ideal marriage is one where *both* parties don’t cheat? Meaning, the man doesn’t cheat despite his desire and potential ability to? Super surprising!

[editor: not exactly. i’m saying the ideal marriage is one where there is a balance of eros power that slightly tilts in favor of the husband’s non-looks status over the wife’s looks. the opportunity to cheat by either partner would be circumscribed by this natural power balancing.]

Wouldn’t have expected that with someone with beliefs like yours (I would think they are more like Doug1’s, which believe some cheating is to be expected with certain kinds of men).

Usually one is challenged to prove a guy is truly an Alpha around these parts! I (and he even) were actually pressured to prove that no no… he’s not really that Alpha. If anything, he has some Alpha and some Beta qualities.

Crazy. What is the world coming to? Realistic sense of balance, mmmaybe?🙂

lozlzlz you write, “Women cannot have it all — they must choose hot sex and near certainty of being betrayed or boring, safe sex, but much lower chance of being cheated on. It is their choice.”

don’t you see that the federal reserve is vastly enriched in the short term by desouling women with massive cockage in their orifices and programming them to tempt and take from men and give the fed a cut? lzozllzlzzl

@firstcomment – true observation, but doomed to what? separation/divorce? or merely stagnation/boredom? which will often lead to some kind of cheating, actually.

most marriages, once the stage of initial passion cools, lapse into a kind of comfort/love which is sustained by long years of shared experiences, deeper intimacy, children, routine, family, familiarity, etc. this kind of love and companionship can sustain a relationship once the feral cycles on both sides assert themselves. sounds dull to young guys but it’s not all bad. different stages of life demand different behaviors and address different long-term needs.

Tons of greater betas and lesser alphas are good marriage material, both in terms of giving tingles and being dependable.

Yeah, agreed, I made this point on yesterday’s thread.

@greatbooksformen, whiskey

don’t you see that the federal reserve is vastly enriched in the short term by desouling women with massive cockage in their orifices and programming them to tempt and take from men and give the fed a cut? lzozllzlzzl

seriously, whiskey, how *could* you have missed that? isn’t it obvious?

As to the chemical compatibility, it looks like R. has
it backwards. Fertile women (NOT on the pill, NOT
pregnant) are attracted to men who are as
DIFFERENT as possible (there might be a cutoff
point, but assuming say same general population,
race etc this holds up). Remember the time warp
movie with Michel J. Fox, when he kisses his
mother-to-be, met in time travel. “It’s like kissing
your brother”. Granted, this was fiction, but
illustrates the point.

Now, with pregnant women on women on the
pill, this reverses itself. This sets the stage for
some strange goings on when a couple marry,
she goes off the pill to breed, and finds hubby
unappealing.

I think any woman marrying an alpha is going to have to expect some infidelity. I think most women do understand this dynamic and will often turn a blind eye to any indiscretion on his part. It’s just part of the deal.

By age 35, almost all men’s life trajectory is predicable, and they drop unrealistic dreams of status and power. They start losing potential, appearance, and sexual appeal. A truck driver, banker, or doctor at age 35 will forever remain a truck driver, banker, or doctor.

A man’s predictable money, status, and power flatline by age 35.

[editor: question answered. you live on planet delusional tard. most men’s income increases continually with age, well past 35, as does most men’s career status, and hence, power. looks do begin to fade anywhere from early 30s to mid 40s, depending on the man, but that concern is of lesser importance to men than to women, for the observable reason that a woman’s looks are far more important to her power in the mating market than a man’s looks are to his.]

Anony is once again spitting in her husband’s face by baiting a notorious PUA to call her dirty names. What a shitty wife.

[editor: the problem with anony is that she says nothing new. boring and repetitive. she listens not, she learns not. and she displays her self-serving hackery in the most grating manner. as for her latest anti-reality iteration — the “predictable life trajectory” canard — it’s utterly irrelevant to the functioning of the sexual market. as a man’s power grows, no matter how predictably, he will become more attractive to more women. and that includes his wife.]

Napoleon Hill writes that a man’s most productive years are from 40 to 55.

most men just begin to succeed @ 40!!

“Colonel” Harland Sanders Started the KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken) chain of restaurants when he was 65 years old.

Ray Kroc
Was a milk-shake machine salesman when he was 52. Hardly anyone’s ideal job and not much of a career. Until the day he started McDonald’s restaurants. The rest is history.

Sam Walton
Started Wal-Mart at or about his 40th birthday. His first successful store was basically taken away from him by his landlord’s son. His landlord refused to renew his lease once he saw how much money Sam was making on that spot, and he leased it to his son instead who opened a business doing just what Sam was doing. Sam got depressed at first, but then got busy. Very busy. He proceeded to build the world’s largest shopping location and a huge fortune.

all you beta lozlzlzlzlzers think a man’s success pertains to how many furry hats and shiney shirts he wears. lzozlzlzl

omg you are such a loser Thursday, basing your world view on one schleppy bio professor your sister boned. lzozllzlz

chcicks love success/looks/money hahah and men love looks/hotness/tightness so keep your eye on the hot & tight and don’t give up nor give in as feminist thursday wants you to. hahah

just make some bank & you won’t have to spank lzozlzl.
own your fate and you won’t have to masturbate.
attack it (success) and you won’t have to whack it.
call the feminist bluff and you’ll get the hot/tight/young muff.

Roissy, good post, very nice to get completely straight talk once in a while.

maurice,

“This is a primal instinct gone badly wrong in the modern world, like a moth flying into a flame. A truly perverse and self-destructive behavior: falling for the men who will always, always, always, treat them badly. Note that badboy =/= alpha in this sense.”

is an excellent comment. The tragic intelligence failure is being unable to distinguish between the “badboy” and the alpha who has actual LTR potential. Our culture encourages this sort of stupidity. The reason this instinct did not fail so often in the past is that badboys who really were bad were beaten to a pulp by the male friends and relatives of women they hurt, so fewer men actually behaved so badly and the tradeoff between information cost and opportunity cost worked the other way. Nowadays information is cheap and opportunities are plentiful, increasing the value for women of consulting their brains as well as their tingles when choosing mates.

PA:

“Tons of greater betas and lesser alphas are good marriage material, both in terms of giving tingles and being dependable. ”

is correct — but there exist “greater alphas” who had as many women as they wanted when single, who nonetheless are faithful husbands because they possess the critical quality of personal integrity (meaning, in this context, keeping their promises). They are rare, but not so rare that a woman of quality should despair of finding one. However, in this pursuit women are typically at least as clueless as beta men who never get why being dependable and nice isn’t enough.

the problem with anony is that she says nothing new. boring and repetitive. she listens not, she learns not. and she displays her self-serving hackery in the most grating manner. as for her latest anti-reality iteration — the “predictable life trajectory” canard —

It pleases me that you feel compelled always to comment on my comments; indicating that I’m touching nerves with the truth.

[editor: and you always comment on my comments to your comments. do you think you have a get out of hell vortex for free card?]

They may be “nothing new, boring, and repetitive” but
they are true to life.

[true to the life of an aging woman married to a beta with no options? maybe. but boring and repetitive lies they still are.]

Generally, my comments bother you because they push back against your belief that men become more attractive into middle age.

[do you always put words in the mouths of people who gleefully shit all over your lies? i’ve never written that men universally become more attractive into middle age. what i have written is that men’s attractiveness has much less to do with their looks than with other male attractiveness traits such as dominance, charm, money, social power, and confidence. and that these traits often increase with a man’s age. so aging men have considerably more options in the dating market than do aging women.]

My comments on male biology are eliminated by you entirely.

[not all of them. but some, yes. that is because you repeat your lies ad nauseum, like a wrinkly wind-up hausfrau, and i prefer the comment section not be polluted with the same wrongheaded riff raff it’s been suffering for the past three years of its existence. ps do go on telling the studio audience how an older man’s erection won’t experience a resurgence of turgidity if given the opportunity to sleep with a younger woman.]

Renegade in my nightmares, were some truths die, others are born, half-truths linger, and some truths get deleated

Let me remind everyone that a fundamental drive of feminists is to stop older men from having sexual relations with younger women…involving all manner of cockblocking laws and mores, financial rape at divorce that massively lowers the man’s status with other women and (more recently) denegrating older men the way Anony just did (lately older women, including feminists, will claim men’s semen goes bad about the same time their same-age female counterparts have menopause – this agenda-driven science is meant to cause younger women to be repulsed by the older men).

Roissy did fail to mention that a female 9 at marriage will likely be an 8 two years down the road and a 7 five years down the road (a generous prediction – some men experience sleeping with a 10 and, two years later, she is a 7 and five years later she is a 5 doing everything she can to make him finally marry her). This is a main reason why marriage is a bad deal for men.

I only try to date 10s – making sure I have the status to pull that off – because they will be 9s on closer inspection and 8s a few months into the relationship. If a woman is an 8 when I meet her, I don’t “date” her but, rather, become friends with benefits (I let her know I won’t play the romance game – you’d be surprised at the number of women who open up more quickly sexually when you let them know early on that they aren’t on your radar for romance and don’t need to play the marriage-material role).

Feminism, unfortunately, makes too many American 10s rude and unbearable until they are 9s or lower when they “mellow out” or “grow up”. Too late for men who know how life is when 18 year olds recognize their beauty is fleeting and act accordingly. If Eastern Europe didn’t exist, alphas would have been forced to take more action in the US.

This has been explained before, in many places.
The supersuccess of badboys today
(the attraction was always there) is massively
amplified by the much reduced adverse consequences
for a woman, when she goes for bad boys, among
which (compared with even 50 years ago):

o Much reduced social stigma
o Essentially failsafe birth control, backed up by abortion
o Guaranteed support by the government, if she gives birth
o Probable support by provider husband, even if he suspects

However, in this pursuit women are typically at least as clueless as beta men who never get why being dependable and nice isn’t enough.

I’ve found that being dependable and nice counts for far, far less than I had ever imagined.

Basically it counts for nothing. Can even work against you.

What is required are the basics. The fundamentals. The foundations. Then if you miss a date or break a promise, it gets laughed off or shrugged off, after a very minor pout. But if you take the attitude that you are supposed to be nice otherwise you can expect a tongue lashing, then if you fail in her eyes, you get a tongue lashing. If you handle it right she’ll think it’s cute when you are unreliable. She’ll call you an asshole, while smiling, while pissed off.

This talk about honor – I call bullshit on it. To thine own self be true, and don’t bulshit any more than is required. That’s honorable. Otherwise you are just a slave to your superego.

Being dependable and honorable for the details is not important. The big picture is, do you feel what you feel honestly, and do you convey what you feel. And does how you convey what you feel excite and interest her. Details such as promises matter far less than we as men would like to think.

I think anony may be projecting. It is a woman’s power, in the form of her looks, that levels out at 35 years old. If a woman has not landed an alpha by 35, she probably wont land one.

Ya, I couldn’t figure out her anti-reality crusade, until you put it in those terms. She doesn’t WANT men to grow in attraction when they age. The fact that often times they clearly do will never fit into her reality as anything but irrelevent exceptions, because she WANTS men to be equal in their sexual decline.

Many attractive looking men start learning game about the time their looks start to fade. This is usually when their hair turns grey at 35. They get it cut short and colored, start going to the gym more and seriously learn game. They also might get more serious about their careers, learn more languages, read more classic novels and travel more.

This can add up to a 45 year old alpha being much more attractive to women than he was at 35 (especially if he was basically a beta back at age 35 with only looks getting him laid now and then).

In walking into a cocktail party at age 45+, I would never imagine that a man under 30 could beat me out for the best looking woman in the room – even if she was 18 – if he didn’t know her already. I could easily end-run a male stranger (to the woman) under 30 in terms of having read the books she read, speaking her home language either fluently or partly, been to the places she loves…and all this before status and game come into play…and the fact that tons of men under 30 are still skinny and covered with acne (many men really do look better and better with age – John Travolta looks better at 60 than when he was on Welcome Back Kotter).

Cancer is what stops alpha males who take care of themselves. It is a bigger enemy than feminism.

I’d say that’s close, but not quite it. They are also only as strong as his wife’s sex drive. Weakest link loses the lot. Hot looking, cold acting wives explain a lot of what whiskey brought up. Most famous known example I can think of is Nicollette Sheridan. I’m thinking there are many, many examples of other famous …cuckoldresses? is that a word? anyway, hot-looking but sexually disinterested women whose high-status husbands got tired of it and then got blamed for it. I know for a fact that there are a lot of non-famous examples of this.

“I think anony may be projecting. It is a woman’s power, in the form of her looks, that levels out at 35 years old. If a woman has not landed an alpha by 35, she probably wont land one.”

try 25, duh!!!!!

what kinda alpha would want a chick who had 4 cock/year * 20 years = 80 cocks poked in all her orfifice, covering her with reams and reams of semen lzozlzlzl still dripping off her face as you unveil her when the priest says “you can now kiss the bride,” and you see gism dribbling down her chin and for the first time you realize that maybe, just maybe she shouldn’t be weairng white llzozllzlzlzlzllzlzlzlz.

her divorced dad already gave her away to legions of thungs and biker dude who shot her up with sperm warriors that are still lingering in her cervix and will make damn sure your beta sperm never touches that egg lzozlzlzlz SPERM WARS!!!!!

sometimes i get the feeling that other than roissy here everyone is a balding beta thinking women act like the chicks femisnist want you to think they are lzozlzlzl

Remember that scene in that Jody Foster movie where Richard Gere comes home from the Civil war and maintains he is her husband-the same one who left years earlier,but she comes to doubt it?? (I think it was called Summersby) Or the great movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the original,’course,with Kevin McCarthy)where family members draw back in horror when they apprehend that the wife/husband they see before them is not the REAL PERSON?? Well thats kind of how I feel about CR. I dont think this is ROISSY! The writing style seems off. It doesnt flow with the venomous humor and Dennis Millerist stream of metaphors. Its more flat and straightforward. Where is Roissy? Has he run off with LR??

Let’s not forget what I like to call the ‘inconsequence card’ of chasing Bad Boys. Women generally don’t like to feel accountable for their decisions. When things go wrong with said ‘Bad Boy’ type, it is easy to dish the blame in his direction. Had she chosen for stability (attraction/lust aside) with a well intentioned beta, her dissatisfaction with him would and inevitable breakdown of relations would be squarely on her shoulders. As such, she would need to take a good hard look at herself, something most young women abhor, and accept the consequences of her actions. Not nearly as much fun as riding the cock parade and wagging the finger of blame.

Had she chosen for stability (attraction/lust aside) with a well intentioned beta, her dissatisfaction with him would and inevitable breakdown of relations would be squarely on her shoulders. As such, she would need to take a good hard look at herself,

You’ve got to be kidding. Have you ever met one woman who has ever done that?

A few years ago I had a fling with a 20 year old college student. I was 34 at the time. The one thing that turned me off about her was her scent. I can’t even describe it. It simply was not pleasant to me. She didn’t “stink”. She practiced good hygiene (her pussy smelled fine) but her overall scent profile kept me from being able to fully enjoy my time with her. This is one of a very few girls that this has ever happened with.

I remember an ex of mine telling me one time that she would never hook up with a beta orbiter of hers just because she didn’t like the way he smelled. Dude was in love with her, but he had no shot because she consciously recognized that they were incompatible. I knew the guy too, and I couldn’t pick it out, so it must be a very individual thing.

Eastpole, according the xx principle, women are biologically hard wired to be incapable of introspection, and to actively and stridently avoid it. Self knowledge poisons them. A woman with self knowledge would self-scan her brain, and just like in the movie scanners, it would violently explode. They avoid that.

A new documentary coming out—Generation Zero—makes a point that’s going to burn feminazis up: the 1950’s housewife knew well what the alternatives to her life were and rejected them. See in that halycon era, those women didn’t spring fully formed in Dom Draper-friendly dresses; no, they were girls who had just lived through the Great Depression and a World War, and had seen loved ones die in battle for a great cause and die from starvation and disease.

They’d been grateful to men for coming home after saving them from want and tyranny and worshiped the ground he walked on. It was the offspring—-the worthless whores born after the war who never accomplished anything—who saw them as “weak.”

Your explanation of the reduced consequences for women of getting involved with badboys refers to the

objective
external

consequences of a

short term

relationship. PA and I were discussing the devastating but predictable

subjective
emotional

consequences of a

long term

relationship. It’s certainly true that the reduced external consequences of screwing a badboy have encouraged a lot more women to slut it up, but we are talking about the complementary problem that this instinct is terribly dysfunctional long-term, and that women need to use their brains more in order to avoid this. (The reduction in bad short-term consequences is so obvious that even stupid women recognize it, but the greater probability of bad long-term consequences from thoughtless mate choice these days i non-obvious even to smart women.)

I couldn’t agree with this post more. Marriage is a waste of life and should require a waiting period for anyone considering it in the hope that they will come to their senses. I say this as a girl happily married to an alpha who bounced from girl to girl while he was still putting the moves on me. I was a sucker for his charisma. He walked into a room and became the center of attention instantly. After three years wasted with the most boring beta on the planet, I downed a third of a bottle of scotch and kicked him to the curb. It was all the incentive I needed to give in and submit to the alpha who was always tempting me.

He never put up with my bullshit – and being raised by a family of feminist brats, I had a lot of shit to drudge through. He calls me on all of it. I never really cared about marriage, my parents are a lesson unto themselves. Three more years passed and the “proposal” was spectacularly unromantic. I was reading a book in the bedroom and he tossed the ring (not a diamond) on the bed in front of me. There was no “wedding” either, we flew to Vegas. He’s still Mr. Charm and I’m still the pretty girl he saw across the room. I wouldn’t change one thing about our dynamic or how we arrived where we are – well, maybe I would go back and give him my real name the first time we met.

So, it is possible for marriage to work but I realize I am a lucky exception to the rule. It’s sage advice to wait and weigh the pros and cons before you make a monumental mistake. In my opinion, you shouldn’t look for a spouse, if it’s right it will just happen and you shouldn’t need a piece of government paper anyway.

That essentially describes my marriage which is a good one. My hot wife has a classic desirable female personality of quiet and girly.. I had bits and pieces from my own experiences and observations so I was not a beta with my wife when we met. I am 8 years older, dominant etc. I knew the basics. It took years just to put some bits and pieces together. I could have learned the whole thing over the weekend here. Though now I have a very tightly run LTR. My two boys will know. That will be satisfying.

I’m assuming you weren’t actually married to your boring beta — if there is no actual marriage and no kids, then you should feel no guilt about dumping an LTR for someone better (as long as it was not preceded by an interval of cheating on the side).

But you sort of contradict yourself when you write

“It’s sage advice to wait and weigh the pros and cons before you make a monumental mistake.”

(true, which is why you didn’t actually marry your boring beta)

but then write

“In my opinion, you shouldn’t look for a spouse, if it’s right it will just happen and you shouldn’t need a piece of government paper anyway.”

which negates everything that came before. The only sense in which you shouldn’t look for a spouse is that you should not qualify every man as a suitable potential spouse before getting to know him well, because your criteria may be modified by the relationship, but as you get to know any man you should make sure you have long-term objectives and evaluate how he fits in with them. “It will just happen” is wrong, correct is “it MAY just happen”, saying “will” relieves you of the responsibility to take steps to improve your odds. Finally, that piece of government paper improves your position tremendously and it’s bad advice to other women to suggest they might fare as well as you without one.

Whoa. Women love being in love. They’ll say and think they love him, whether he’s bad boy or beta. They’ll fall in love with people who’re unsuitable, unsuitable because of wildly different life goals and expectations.

So perhaps we need to define what you mean by ‘loves’ as opposed to ‘thinks she loves’.

Maybe arranged marriages work better than love marriages on paper, but a loveless, arid business arrangement designed to smoothly usher in the next generation of cogs for the belching corporaglobomilitaryeducationalswplstatuswhoring machine is no way to go through life, son. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s get down to brass tacks.

Seen an arranged marriage wedding? I’ve seen several. She’s shy, hesitant, looks up at him worshipfully. He switches between protectiveness and teases her. It may not be full blown love knowing each other down to the bottom of their souls at first bat. However, it’s beautifully set up to allow a lot of growth based on initial attraction. It doesn’t work all the time but I wouldn’t say aridity is the norm.

They certainly look more than in love at the wedding than what appears to be the norm, which is settle together inertia years of cohabitation: Smile Only For The Camera, honey!

He should be higher status than her, i.e. superior to her in some observable trait or accomplishment. That status can come in many forms. He could be better educated, smarter, richer, funnier, more socially savvy, better connected, more charming, more confident, more dominant, better traveled, more artistic, or really really good at inspiring interest from other women.

So what you mean by ‘love’ is ‘very sexually attracted’. That kind of love.

[editor: sexual attraction is a precondition of romantic love.]

My advice for women seeking to maximize their domestic bliss windows at the expense of their drama windows is to avoid the bad boys or date one with a steady job and at least ten years older. The age gap will make him more grateful to be with you, and his primal pull to spread his seed will have mellowed.

This seems sensible.

I wouldn’t have thought under any circumstances is the bad boy suitable marriage material. Possibly by some stretch the reformed bad boy. Even if she’s a 10, he’s a bad boy. He’s not suited to domestication. He’s not stable, possibly a risk-taker and the chance of his fidelity remains low.

What do we want from marriage is the question? The best type of person will be the one who fits in with what we want. I agree that sexual attraction and affection (romantic love) is the minimum requirement for the best marriage.

However, if you want a family, you need a man who wants a family and who wants to build a family the same way. If you want fidelity, you need a man who believes in fidelity as part of his moral system. If you want to live a certain lifestyle (money, status, location, religion, culture), you need a man who wants to live that lifestyle.

When Brad Pitt cheats, 99% of the time he’ll cheat with other 9s and 10s.

wrong

[editor: when alpha males cheat with dogs it’s in the news because it’s so rare. but the bulk of cheating by high status men occurs with women in the same looks range as the spurned wife or girlfriend.]

What do we want from marriage is the question? The best type of person will be the one who fits in with what we want. I agree that sexual attraction and affection (romantic love) is the minimum requirement for the best marriage.

However, if you want a family, you need a man who wants a family and who wants to build a family the same way. If you want fidelity, you need a man who believes in fidelity as part of his moral system. If you want to live a certain lifestyle (money, status, location, religion, culture), you need a man who wants to live that lifestyle.

Darling, in case you haven’t been paying attention, it has been stated that women don’t know what they want.

[editor: when alpha males cheat with dogs it’s in the news because it’s so rare. but the bulk of cheating by high status men occurs with women in the same looks range as the spurned wife or girlfriend.]

not in my personal experience. If you are talking about older couples, then yes, alphas won´t cheat with any girl below his wife in status.

among young couples, the opposite happens. The standard alpha cheater, as far as I am concerned, is that canadian actor arrested in Los Angeles banging a tranny-looking black hoe while his girlfriend was a top model

[editor: as men are less discriminating than women, you will notice a pattern where cheating wives tend to cheat hypergamously while cheating husbands tend to cheat expediently, resulting in some odd choices by alpha males. but the overall trend is still toward maintaining standards for either sex, so that even indiscriminate men will cheat with women who generally fall within a point below or above their wives. see for example tiger woods. he has had enough mistresses come out in public for us to tease out a pattern. while a couple are skanky, most of them fall within a point of elin. some are even a little better looking. (elin nordegren is overrated. her manjaw is quite unforgiving.)]

peacocking is a good way for a man to stand out from the crowd of indistinguishable men. women do respond positively to shiny affects on men

Heh, I guess I’ll have to take your word on it. Though in fairness to you, before I’d tried it, I’d never have believed that even the small amount of Game I’ve mastered would have had such a transformative effect on my relations with women.

[editor: the trick with peacocking is to walk up to the line of attraction, without crossing over into silliness. it is also, to a degree, context dependent. so 6’7″ mystery in a high energy LA club can pull off the feather boa thing, but herbalicious herbling in a DC dive bar should tone it down a notch. think more hank moody and less mystery.]

Polymath, perhaps she’s making the mistake of advising sheep to take the path of wolves. I’ve done that before, and stopped once I realized what I was doing.

If one is a conventional person, either by nature or by choice, one should not kid themselves about that. If you want the best chance of benefitting from the guarantees of legal documents and social standards, then you must conform. Be advised that this decision may not work in your favor. Still, since when did most people care that they were getting screwed by the system? If they really cared, they’d change it.

For normal people, Roissy’s advice is very good. If your dick rises and falls by the whims of the one-eyed dragon, and you really seek a compatible drone with whom to live a gender neutral (read neutered) life, then don’t rock the boat. Seek the closest to the unicorn within your socioeconomic class that you can afford.

Otherwise, you’re banking on exceptions that even those of us who are proud outliers, are subject to on some levels. By choosing to behave according to my conscience, I have no regrets, but I also have no guarantees. I also have no fallback or plan B.

My Alpha, who I love more than my own life, lost his mojo. I will never find another one like him because there is no other. There just isn’t. The numbers are not in my favor, nor are they in the favor of anyone truly exceptional.

Were I willing to take the mainstream legitimized cougar route, I would be swimming in a sea of mediocre cock, but that would mean letting people touch me who don’t care if I live or die. Gross out bonus, they’re desperate enough to bang a broad who they find hideous and inferior to what they perceive to be able to, but are apparently not able to get.

I don’t have the patience to explain to these youngsters that if they deserved a younger, more beautiful woman, they would in fact, be with one. Nor do I relish the idea of being the free whore of a legion of bitches.

So being exceptional has won me the usual prize that we get, which is an exceptional life. This is not a life I would wish on someone who needs a lot of social validation or sex. It is not a life for monogamists. It is not a life for people who can’t handle the fact that people in general are not going to reward you or envy you in most things.

If you need guarantees, or at least the illusion of them, to be okay with yourself and your place, then find a partner who needs the same, and have a good life together.

People who have, at least for the time, profitted from being exceptional, should refrain from encouraging normal people to write checks with their principles that their practice can’t cash.

[editor: the trick with peacocking is to walk up to the line of attraction, without crossing over into silliness. it is also, to a degree, context dependent. so 6’7″ mystery in a high energy LA club can pull off the feather boa thing, but herbalicious herbling in a DC dive bar should tone it down a notch. think more hank moody and less mystery.]

The median number of partners for American women is 4, so this isn’t literally true.

I have come to believe that most are lying through their teeth, including in social surveys that promise anonymity. The two subjects women most reliably lie down on are number of lifetime partners and whether and how often they’ve cheated on committed boyfriends or husbands. Women know viscerally that the best way to tell a lie and be believed is to mostly and sometimes entirely believe it themselves.

An additional factor biasing these numbers down is that the surveys are often done on women in various age ranges, or even among random and not even senior college girls, which obviously will bias the “lifetime” number of sex partners downward, particularly in this age of late female marriage, frequent divorce, and greatly rising true rates of female cheating in marriage.

Social psych experiments have been done where women are asked about their number of life time sex partners with anonymity promised in the usual manner, and then a another randomly chosen selection of the same population, or in another design the same women asked earlier were asked that question when they believed they were hooked up to a working lie detector machine. The (phony) lie detector results came in more than 2x higher. Men tested the same way showed only very slightly lower numbers of lifetime sex partners when the thought they were being lie detected.

So since event he lie detector results probably didn’t capture all the lying down, since some of these women really have “forgotten” about some of their one night stands “that really didn’t matter” and so on, I’d use a x 3 multiplier for women. At least.

12 lifetime sex partners median, and that’s including the true religious only my husband, or one mistake before my husband folk, and rural people. So the big city count among long delaying marriage college graduate girls who are 5s and up? 50s and 70s all over the place and a lot of triple digits. A whole lot. I know for a fact, in fact. They’ve told me, after suitable confidence building. And about some of their friends, etc. And this was a little while ago when I went looking for this info sometimes. It seems to have gotten sluttier since.

[editor: but not so expediently that they’ll boff an ugly, old, or fat chick on the side.]

agreed

[have you seen elin in the sunlight with her hair back? woofa that jawline could cut glass. btw, slutty looking != bad looking.]

[the less attractive of tiger’s mistresses are not more than one point below elin. by and large he wasn’t slumming it with plain janes or fuglies.]

amazingly, we started a barely philosophical discussion about a man´s choices and ended discussing individual girls´ hotness. A point has been reached such that any further continuation of the discussion requires the presence of beer.

I think big name alphas will boff a lower status woman for the sexual thrill it gives them. Gourmets still eat at McDonalds sometimes. Sometimes that 3 foot peacock tattoo across her thighs can look sexy as hell, especially when you have your pick of women anyway. And you look so good with your plastic raincoat, and your plastic shoes, yeah they look good too…

xsplat: It would simply be much more convenient if the man I wildly fell in love with wanted kids. Suppressing issues like these may very well emerge later, when the unwise wild love settles or is tested. I’m not saying it’s not surviveable or occasionally a happy desire to give up. But we’re talking best options.

Kids is an example. I’m making the point generally. You have to be more or less clearly in agreement about what kind of life you want together, an agreement that isn’t largely dependent on the emotions you have for each other for its continuance.

Tyrone: Hahaha.

Astrologers could’ve very well made better matches than some marriages people make.

Extent in which it is an arranged marriage in the strictest sense varies wildly across different Arab countries.

The point I tried to make at length over on your latest girlgame post where you talked more about hour partly alpha, partly beta fiance is that it’s nuts for women to be so absolutist about some sorts of alpha male infidelity in marriage.

Because it really needn’t hurt them or their marriage at all, and in fact can literally help it, if approached and limited in the right way.

That’s because men don’t necessarily or usually quickly emotionally deeply bond with a girl just because she looks hot and gives him good sex. Oh a virgin guy or a near virgin guy will usually. It’s much portrayed and it’s often true, though he’ll often end up quickly falling on his face/getting dumped, unless she’s similarly virginal and also not got all the hot guys in school after her. But for alpha or even sorta alpha guys with some experience, no.

Note I said absolutist and I said infidelity, not cheating. It’s much better if there’s some sort of understanding. She may want to know or not know in the specific case but she should absolutely want to know if anything is getting out of hand. And he better not lie to her about it in general or someone in particular if she asks. There are kinds of male infidelity that can definitely be a problem and those aren’t ok. It’s just that unlike with female infidelity, where just about any good sex with a new and exciting man, will cause her deep bonding to her husband to greatly and often entirely disappear (esp. after the marriage has gone on more than the natural at longest length 4 yr or maybe at the outside 6yr period of strong female lust for one man only) that’s not the case for men. When that bonding does disappear as it usually will for most women who have good sex with another exciting man after the marriage has gone on for awhile, it’s disastrous to the marriage and there’s after this point almost nothing the man can do often enough, esp. in the current feminist female empowerment climate. The wife may feel literally disgusted at the idea of resuming sex with her husband, whereas right before the affair it was pleasuable, comforting, and though usually no longer utterly thrilling, often satisfying. That’s how dramatically different the necessary, as opposed to wife optional, effects of female versus male infidelity very very ususually are.

Now the wife wants to make sure he DOESN’t let it go on to the falling in love with the younger girl stage. That is threatening to her and that’s a no. Unless she’s ok with polygamy but like our society isn’t. Because yes that will be a lot of young girl’s aim. Not all but a lot. So she gets veto power and he promises in the first place to always honor his love for his wife and family first and never let another girl get more than trivially in the way there.

Anyway, again, I think this absolutism of American women, far more than any other women, about the marriage breakup and divorce necessity of any kind of male infidelity deep into a marriage is absolutely crazy nuts thinking, with little grounding wisdom or anything else except feminist tit for tat (and divorce encouraging) ideology.

True. I blame work distractions for making my comment a little disjointed – apologies.

To clarify, I wasn’t married to the beta. In fact, I had the impression he was moving in the marriage direction which was not what I wanted at all, so I bailed. No cheating, just decided one day I’d had enough.

I guess I’m a strange girl – I never qualified a man for marriage. Marriage was never a preoccupation of mine for reasons I won’t get into. I’ve always been attracted to bad boys. My foray into the beta world was more of a product of convenience. I could control him. While I focused on school and partying with my friends, I still had a guy around when I wanted him and sent him away when I didn’t. I’m not proud of this but it worked for me at that time in my life.

I agree, marriage and the piece of paper is advantageous to women and I’d have to include myself in that group now as well. My advice to wait (or not marry at all) is for men who usually get raked across laws oriented to the feminist agenda – like my father after 37 yrs of marriage.

It is natural however that betas will want to promote the attractiveness of absolute male fidelity in marriage. It’s something they feel they can offer, together with a steadier sort of provider commitment at a given level of education and intelligence etc., more credibly than alphas can, in the competition at the marriage alter at least for hot girls. At least the hot girls in the good girl division.

I do agree that any woman who wants a long lasting of for life marriage should at least go for a combo alpha, the type that has steady as well as thrilling to him, loving as well as hot sexing.

whenever I think that reading the FOMC´s minutes is boring, I remember that I could be reading Nicole´s essays instead.

that was hilarious. Clearly audible chortling from me here at work.

thought the trouble with Nicole is every once in a blue moon she says something with very considerable insight and from an somewhat off kilter take. Living as an outsider so much I’d guess and having a bean if a rather jumbled one.

I generally rely on the wisdom of the crowd around her to notice when this has happened before venturing in myself however.

“editor: the trick with peacocking is to walk up to the line of attraction, without crossing over into silliness. it is also, to a degree, context dependent. so 6’7″ mystery in a high energy LA club can pull off the feather boa thing, but herbalicious herbling in a DC dive bar should tone it down a notch. think more hank moody and less mystery.”

A little goes a long way here in Orlando. It doesn’t take much to stand out from the sea of chodes. The mohawk looks good on me so that’s really all I need. Compliment that with decent threads and a little tasteful jewelry and it stays congruent with my personality, which is also important in being able to pull it off.

Another thing about peacocking that even Mystery talks about is the fact that it makes you a target for douchebags who wish they had the balls to pull it off themselves. I had one guy try to fight me the other night. His friend jumped in and said “He has been saying he wants to fight a guy like you” (trying to prevent his friend from doing something stupid in the middle of the bar). I made some kind of a joke to the dude to lighten the situation, laughed and walked away. Comes with the territory I guess.

IIRC, the lying in that survey was concentrated among about 1/3 of the respondents, the outrageously slutty ones. I’m shocked, shocked to find that women of low character lie about the number of partners they have. Won’t much affect the median though.

50s and 70s all over the place and a lot of triple digits.

Jason Malloy did an analysis taking the number of partners men reported had as a completely accurate account. He found even then it was impossible for any more than a small minority (6.7% overall/8.5% in urban areas) of women to have partner counts of 50 or more. With men, especially low IQ men, lying too those numbers are probably high.

One thing that I notice people constantly fail to mention when it comes to discussing Alphas who cheat with women who are uglier than their wives is the state of relations with that wife.

I’d bet money that after the kids were born, there’s a good chance that Elin pulled the “I’m not in the mood” all the time. A man with some serious blue balls because his wife refused to put out anymore would definitely lower his standards…especially if he mistakenly thinks that a substandard women would be more discreet.

The longer she cuts him off, the more lower his standards will be…to a certain point.

What good is it being married to a 10, if she doesn’t want to put out? In fact, that would be rather torturous to share a bed with a 10 who doesn’t want to have sex with you. Seeing, smelling and being in close proximity to a woman who won’t put out has got to be the worse than being a 50 year old virgin…

I’m saying it’s better to prevent that ‘wild love’ from forming, if there’re reasons why it shouldn’t. A long-term marriage is a team effort and you need the same goals. Formation of love isn’t out of our control, however we like to rationalise it.

It’s pretty much too late once there, although the Western woman has the option of not marrying him. And he of not marrying her.

Doug is playing a bit fast and loose with that survey. The 2x number comes from comparing women in non-anonymous surveys to those hooked up to a lie detector. And even then the number only went up by 69% not 100%.

Comparing the numbers of women in an anonymous survey to those hooked up to a lie detector only resulted in an increase of just under 30%.

You also have to remember that the inaccuracy of these survey responses isn’t evenly distributed among the female population. Low IQ women and those with already high partner counts are where the most of the discrepancy is. Dumb women forget and (shockingly) women of low character enough to sleep around will lie. Still probably doesn’t much affect the median though.

When brain scan lie detection becomes really reliable (right now it’s better than a polygraph, but still not reliable enough), I honestly don’t expect any major surprises in the data.

asking women to tell the truth about these things is ludicrous. just like when a woman diets she says “but i only eat 1100 calories a day!! why arent i losing??” while conveniently omitting whole categories of food from her daily count–food eaten while driving, lattes, a “salad” with a cup of ranch dressing, croutons and cheese etc, women “don’t count” swathes of sexual encounters in their number. embarrassing ones, ones in foreign countries, ones where she was cheating

shocking you folks here talk nonstop about women being abject liars and then buy their answers in surveys about the most lie inducing subject of all

I was reporting it from memory having seen referenced and read it more than a year ago.

I will reiterate that I don’t think the (fake) lie detector results are close to the true ones either. I explained why above. So does Dana.

I’m much influenced by what I tend to get (ok in Manhattan and also a Cali girl in LA) anecdotally from party / slutty girls, but not of the low down really trying to get numbers out of some compulsion variety, when but only when I convince them that “sexually free” girls turn me on. And after I get them to not just back of the envelope estimate it, but write it down or go systematically back each year since their first, and include all intercourse, good and bad, relationship and one off’s, etc. Then I get way higher numbers than to begin with, and even then I’ve said but not totally convinced them that nothing will shock me, whatever they say I’ve heard much higher from girls I know and have had fun with, etc.

This isn’t one or two girls but ten at least and as I said not compulsively slutty types, but yeah party girl types. Or sometimes party girls, or phases of that.

The cali girl was 26 and didn’t think her number of 89, after she really went through it all systematically for me, was very high at all. She was sure a lot of her friends or girls she knew anyway were way higher.

Gig, the problem with that is that succinct, for me, is death metal lyrics.

Something changes about you when you have experiences that show you the fragility of things. I don’t have the requisite naivete to believe that half the shit people think matters, should matter to me, or that the stuff that matters to me should matter to others.

I just don’t want western society to get shoved into a new dark age because a masturbatory fantasy has become preferable to real life. Some days, I’m more optimistic than others.

And after I get them to not just back of the envelope estimate it, but write it down or go systematically back each year since their first, and include all intercourse, good and bad, relationship and one off’s, etc. Then I get way higher numbers than to begin with, and even then I’ve said but not totally convinced them that nothing will shock me, whatever they say I’ve heard much higher from girls I know and have had fun with, etc.

This isn’t one or two girls but ten at least and as I said not compulsively slutty types, but yeah party girl types. Or sometimes party girls, or phases of that

Doug’s experience with female confessions matches mine.

I simply can’t buy the numbers on the surveys that are being thrown around here. Maybe if they excluded big cities from the sample.

“By age 35, almost all men’s life trajectory is predicable, and they drop unrealistic dreams of status and power. They start losing potential, appearance, and sexual appeal.”

It’s an observable fact in Los Angeles that the men getting the hottest girls at clubs, parties, and other high status events are all over 35.

There’s also a smallish percentage of young uber good looking guys plucking from the same pool, but if you see a really hot girl here, and wanted to bet the smart money on what kind of guy she is dating you would bet on north of 35.

As far as ‘trajectory’ stuff, well you’re not wise to lump in the top 20% of men w/ the rest of the riff raff who flatline and give up.

You’re talking about generally exceptional people in some kind of professional or social capacity, many of them *changed* their trajectory at some point and didn’t start seeing the rich dividends until later in life.

I really question where you live, who you hang out with, and your capacity for observation by your posts.

That catholic girls do it, I believe, but they will be the ones who are guiltridden in the morning. (I had one who wouldn’t speak to me the next morning, even though I wasn’t the first, after her divorce, and they hadn’t waited, and he wasn’t her first, etc.)

Customized pre-nup is the way to go.
Make your own rules people. Never look to mass society for what to do with your own love life. In fact, customize everything.

I was with a guy who had $40 in his bank account when we first met and when I left six years later, he was worth over a million. Learn to create what you are looking for. Stop looking for it already packaged. Learn to build, not buy.

Before you marry, ask yourself how long you could be on a deserted island with your potential partner. That’s how long your marriage will last.

Marriage?
Er, no…
But if you are in fact giving it some thought allow me to suggest a proper real world test of long term compatibility.
Sneakily arrange to get you and your beloved into a mid-winter camping trip that you have pre-arranged to be a cluster fuck. The tent will leak. The food will suck. Your companions will bore you both.
How does she or he cope with this high-speed curve ball? I mean, what is your beloved really like after 3 days of being cold, hungry, and irritated by assholes? Does she still want to swallow your sperm-offerings? Does he still give 45 minute back-rubs just because he can see how much you need one?
Getting that sort of information is likely to be expensive but such a bargain it would be.

In divorce, pre-nups mean nothing. I don’t speak from experience, but from all the guys who write about this on the Spearhead et al, judges overwhelmingly throw pre-nups out the window when settling divorces. They carry no legal weight.

Sorry, Citizen Renegade.. =) Not buying it. I hope you’re slipping and not actually contemplating you know what. Men cheat wtih 6’s prostitutes on 8 wives all the time. *When you see a hot chick, remember there’s a guy somewhere who’s tired of fucking her*.
I’d still cheat no matter what🙂 And part of the blue pill is realizing that women are the same way too. Monogamy works only as a path of least resistance plus risk/reward, but it won’t stop thinking / lack of passion. Bonding is different and it sure is a bitch. Which brings us back to the actual issue – idiotic divorce and child support laws in this country. Normal way things been going forever – people fall in passion, fall out of passion, have kids, still are bonded and stay together or at least help out their ex-partner because of the kids, kids being excuse for scorned self-esteem – this normal way is cut-off. Maybe population control conspiracy has some merit.

Jacko
Right.
For real leverage you need pictures of them naked in brutally un-flattering poses. Cottaged-cheese ass cheeks and exurberant ass-crack hairs are a good place to start.
And, it is never so hard to get them talking about the famous guys they suckedon, or the abortions they paid for.
A good digital voice recorder is almost free these days.

Bull. Depends on the state. Write a contract that abolishes the state contract and sign it in blood if you have to. Or better yet, cradle an end to the ground if it ends. Land the fucking plane without crashing it. Then the marriage contract becomes what it has always been again, just a piece of paper. If you crash and burn a long term you were of lousy character to begin with. Either in picking your partner or in maintaining respect or skill to communicate. If a couple has lost respect for each other to the point that they are getting nasty at the ending, clearly each has failed at partnership. Short terms are for the screw ups and the communication break-downs.

Roissy, what’s wrong with an arranged match? The criteria you have written makes it seem like it is an arranged match. And this is my personal opinion — I feel marriage is above all a commitment. The love that many in the west speak of disappears, your partners grow old, they become pot-bellied. Its how you treat him or her then that shows whether you love her or him. Now if I would change partners based on the whims and fancies of my state of mind, which marriage is going to last? Love is good, sure, the high, the hormones, the endorphins but ultimately you have to come down to earth. There is nothing wrong in being in love but understand that you have to make it last a lifetime– it is difficult but only comes through an understanding of human nature. Let there be love, but let there also be commitment. Marriage is above all a commitment. Those who fail to recognise this, whether men or women, are letting themselves up for a lot of misery. Your set of rules make it clear that what you are suggesting is a self-arranged match. Regards, from India.

Lurker, he didn’t leave her for that woman. They split because he had a one night stand with her 10 years ago, and Dawn never got over it.

Merri Cheyne is only hot to Americans who don’t know what hot is because they watch too much television with over hyped butterfaces, and Black guys who can’t gauge the beauty of White women because being White is enough for them (because they watch too much television with butterface…).

Now, she’s about 37.

I might have to get divorced under the same circumstances though, because he’d never live it down due to the humor factor. I’d get him a donkey with a blonde wig for his birthday.

It is laughable to read about various players
figuring out how many partners their (usually
temporary) girlfriends have had, and then try
to generlize these numbers. These tempgirls
who sleep with the players are a textbook
example of a biased sample.

Yes, it is fair to assume that many women lie.
But it is not fair to generlize from players’
tempgirls to the female population in general.

An interesting observation: Going for average
(as opposed to median, big differnece in a
seriously non-symmetric population) number of
partners, it appears that men (according to interviews)
have something like twice as many partners
as women. If you count only heterosexual relationships,
the averages must necessarily be roughly the same.
(One way out would be to argue that these are not
death-bednumbers, but numbers from people still
sexually active.
But to explain the discrepancy, it would require that
aging women suddenly have a lot more partners than
aging men, which is contrary to most experiance).

[editor: peacocking is a good way for a man to stand out from the crowd of indistinguishable men. women do respond positively to shiny affects on men.]

Most men wear a uniform. It’s baggy jeans and a nondescript t-shirt, sometimes with some letters on it. It makes them look identical. If you are ever out in a bar take your eyes of the girls for a second and have a look at the competition. They will almost certainly all be scruffily dressed identical clones.

Therefore it doesn’t take much for a man to get noticed. It’s always context dependent though.

Interesting. I’ve heard Pitt takes cocks up his ass and that Angelina is bisexual too. Not sure if this is true or not. As for the kind of women Pitt’s dated and may cheat with, the ones I’ve seen have all been good looking, but have ranged in terms of height, build and even race. Pitt is a rainbow fucker.

And is Pitt really an alpha male or is he, like many celebrity men, a manufactured alpha? I suspect given his good looks and charm, Pitt was always in the popular crowd. Whereas Angelina, given her badass, alternative roots, probably started off as an outcast.

Brad has always gone for the starlet who is flavour of the month, career success seems to have mattered more than looks to him (although I guess all starlets are beautiful)

A natural alpha? Not if you’ve seen the photos of him in the chicken suit in his early Hollywood days (now for some reason no longer available on the net). A bit too self-conscious as to his image even now.

Angelina, although now verging into Mommie Dearest territory, is to be commended for her independence of thought.

Dave from Hawaii
“One thing that I notice people constantly fail to mention when it comes to discussing Alphas who cheat with women who are uglier than their wives is the state of relations with that wife.

I’d bet money that after the kids were born, there’s a good chance that Elin pulled the “I’m not in the mood” all the time. A man with some serious blue balls because his wife refused to put out anymore would definitely lower his standards…especially if he mistakenly thinks that a substandard women would be more discreet.

The longer she cuts him off, the more lower his standards will be…to a certain point.

What good is it being married to a 10, if she doesn’t want to put out? In fact, that would be rather torturous to share a bed with a 10 who doesn’t want to have sex with you. Seeing, smelling and being in close proximity to a woman who won’t put out has got to be the worse than being a 50 year old virgin…”

Dave, here’s the thing. Tiger Woods was going to cheat no matter how much his wife put out. He is a billionaire athlete. I’m not quite sure why he actually got married. He’s still pretty young and could have settled down when he was closer to 40, and still chosen a relatively young woman. I think he married either because of family pressure or because he really wanted kids. Maybe his agents told him having a wife and family would help his endorsements. It’s impossible to say. But I think that some of us men will cheat, no matter how hot the wife and how sexually satisfying she is because she’s always and only going to be one woman.

@barbara ann-
Geez, lozzl, you’re like a broken record. Do you really think the banker-elite is “all that”? You seem to worship at their altar. Keep in mind those jerk-offs are just one of many groups struggling for long-term survival, and they can barely put their pants on compared to other groups. For example, another distinct group is the Catholic Church. They are under attack at the moment, but that doesn’t mean they will fail long-term. They will just keep pumping out babies. Their ideology seems to match what you seem to think is the ideal, namely a traditional family with virgin women entering marriage and not ever divorcing. Note that this is diametrically opposed to the conspiracy theories that seep from your fingers regularly, so you can’t say they are “all in it together”. There are other such entities too.

That the family is being broken up by the bankers and banker elite because it is a central plank of tehir communism? lzozlzlzl! I am no catholic nor even a catholic priest. zlozzllzlzl And the corporate structure of the church is very similar to the banking cartel’s corporate structure.

remember, if you will you beta gamma llzozlzlzzoor, that jesus had no church, just like roissy.

Look out your window and see

1) chix fucking and sucking like never before
2) the government growing like never before
3) teh rich getting bailed out for gambling like never before

Yes, he’s like an emotional vampire, he just chews up starlets, poses for the requisite photo-op & spits them out. Have we ever known Brad except as part of a couple? Julianne Lewis, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jen and Ange (and the women all turn kooky afterwards)

I did hope he might have met his match in Angie though, but probably not, her inner vampire has been muted by all those kids.

Next, it will be Megan Fox or the equivalent (mid to late 20s, rising star)

Mark my words.

You know my view on the scraggy beard. However it’s possible that it’s a metaphorical statement of his role in the relationship (to fully carry this through, he should dye it lavender)

PS If Brad leaves his girlfriends kooky, Mick Jagger leaves them with a desire to shine on the humanitarian stage, look at Angie and Carla both, the Florence Nightingales of the U.N.

So what is your point, anyway? Fuck lots of young women? Woo hoo, save the fucking world. Who cares anyway? If the “global elite” is so powerful (hint: they’re not) and you have some kind of inside knowledge about their inner workings, why don’t you go join them? Or take them down from the inside? You know, all people, even the “global elite” are just people. They fuck things up, they struggle for power and control, but in the end they have no power or control. You think they have influence in Afghanistan? Waziristan? The more you squeeze the twinkie, the more the creamy filling oozes out between your fingers. The only power is no-power.

I’m always taken by the way you recommend reading material to me, it is like being back at college and told one’s essay is good, but one should read (a) (b) and (c) for it to be really good. Invariably one finds that (a) (b) and possibly even (c) have either been written by the referrer, or he/she has been cited in or indirectly contributed to them. Such is academia.

I read the Brad post, very good, no surprise (I had actually read it before, I have read all the posts, but not necessarily all the comments). I’m in agreement with all of it, subject to the qualification that if Angie would put on a stone and a half and stop wearing black she would be almost back to her old self, the problem is not just ageing, but excessive weight loss, she is the perfect example of how it is possible for one’s BMI to be too low.

I don’t have much to add other than that the photo of George Clooney at the end was a particularly attractive one and brightened up my afternoon.

@Rum
I am sorry. “Cluster Fuck” is a technical term used mainly in the Medical Profession. Bhetti might instantly get it but it is wrong for me to toss it out without any explanation…

While the term Clusterfuck may indeed be commonly used in the medical profession, it is a military term that stems from the name clusterbomb, which is a bomb that releases little bomblets roughly the size of baseballs that then explode further in rapid sequence and devastate an entire area. They work great against embedded artillery positions or denying airfields to the enemy.

Astrologers could’ve very well made better matches than some marriages people make.

Extent in which it is an arranged marriage in the strictest sense varies wildly across different Arab countries.

Sorry you find the question amusing. Indians take it very seriously for arranging marriages. Western astrology was invented in Mesoptamia and is commonly used in Persia and India. I am an astrologer myself and it is an excellent tool if you know what you’re doing with it. Most people are never exposed to true astrology. 99.8% of the books for sale are for pop consumption and not for serious astrologers. I have had fantastic relationship success with it myself.

@lozl
Then by all means, have traditional families, and honor, and trust. Who is stopping you? Whining on and on about the global elite is not a tradition, or an honor. It betrays a lack of trust in the authorities. How bad was your father, anyway?

“Claim” when I left? Zero. I signed off on everything. He chose to be very generous with me when I left due to my earning it. Which is the way is should be. Hence my ease with signing a pre-nup in my own future if ever needed.

You are correct in the Indian culture taking astrology very seriously.

Also, some quotes regarding the topic itself:

“Astrology is one of the most ancient sciences, held in high esteem of old, by the wise and great. Formerly no prince would make war or peace, nor any general fight a battle – in short, no important affair was undertaken – without first consulting an astrologer.”

– Benjamin Franklin (1751)

“A most unfailing experience… of the excitement of sublunary (that is, human) natures by the conjunctions and aspects of the planets has instructed and compelled my unwilling belief.”

– Johannes Kepler, 17th century German mathematician and astronomer

“That we can now think of no mechanism for astrology is relevant, but unconvincing. No mechanism was known, for example, for continental drift when it was proposed by Wegener. Nevertheless, we see that Wegener was right, and those who objected on the grounds of unavailable mechanism were wrong.”

– Carl Sagan, 20th century astronomer and writer

“Millionaires don’t have astrologers, billionaires do.”

– J.P. Morgan, turn-of-the-20th-Century financier and banker

“There will be signs in the Sun, the Moon, and the stars.”

– Jesus Christ, The Bible, Luke – 21:25

*It is key to run the birth time, city, date and year against a potential lover/partner, not just sun signs. Astrology is a very mathematical and technical system and modern day sites and horoscopes have bastardized it.

One of the things I like about roissy’s blog is that it has scared off all teh effimate, feminizied, dumbed-dwon b8a h8a beta hatea males except for you it seems. you are here so we can lzozlzlzlzlz every time you post i guess. lzozlzlz

you have no shame and thus are no ashamed by your extreme betatude dude lzozlzlz

It’s an observable fact in Los Angeles that the men getting the hottest girls at clubs, parties, and other high status events are all over 35.

I have seen this for the first time in São Paulo. 8 years ago, when I first came here, the age gap between the sexes in nightclubs was a little above zero.

not only it seems to have increased to something around 5 by now, but I have started to see guys over 30 effectively gaming girls around 20. Life is tougher for guys 30+, they need G Manifesto clothing style, and lots of game, and they need to be earning more than guys in the first or second year after college.

Prenups aren’t enforced at all in Britain, so don’t let news items from there affect your understanding of the US situation. (There is a strong move afoot and a case pending in Britain to make them enforceable, at least for certain things, probably following the American current prevailing example).

I’m a lawyer but haven’t practiced as one for some time, and never in the family law area. However I have done a fair amount of looking into prenups over time in a google, rather than law library way. It was always possible that I’d need one, though since my no kids divorce quite along time ago I’ve chosen to remain single, though cohabiting several times including now.

in America prenups aren’t enforceable at all with respect to child support or child custody, the first of which is set by statute with some usually small degree of judge discretion except for very, very high earners where there’s more judge discretion. The later, custody, is set within some state guidelines by except for a handful of states which greatly encourage and in fact mandate as the starting assumption that joint physcial custody should be what occurs, women are enormously favored in getting custody if they want it, regardless of what a prenup says. However, prenups MIGHT somewhat influence a judge w/respect to child support amounts in the case of VERY high earners, and in awarding joint physical custody. They are an indication of the initial intent of the parties.

In the awarding of property or wealth earned by one or both of the spouses during the marriage, so long is the woman esp. if she has custody of children won’t be left utterly impoverished after child support (which she won’t be if he’s a strong earner, the after tax percentage levels of child support are so high), prenups are enforced. They particularly are where considerable sums are involved. And yes a woman can agree that she doesn’t get the house but rather they both have to move and its sold.

The states are quite mixed in enforcing prenups w/respect to alimony. Until not long ago most states (but not e.g. Mass. ever) did enforce renunciations of alimony. However there’s been something of a trend more recently in not enforcing renunciations of alimony when the disparities of living are too great in the court’s eyes (Conn) or where the woman has a particularly hardluck story and might be destitute w/out it (California recently, in one case).

However you’re vastly better off w/a prenup than without one. What really happens is that there’s a negotiation and the prenup makes a lot of difference. But generally if a lot is at stake and the woman has no shame in going back on what she’s clearly agreed to, the man will have to settle by paying somewhat more than the prenup provided, or else he’ll be spending that and more on both of their lawyers, with him having to pay for hers if he makes a lot more money than she, generally.

A 7 or 8 that has high self esteem (HSE) and is a much better woman than a 10 with low self esteem (LSE). Sex drive is also a big factor but not quite as important, although her drive should approximately match the man’s.

An LSE woman (regardless of beauty) will make a man’s life a living hell as she tries to control him and belittle him. This is really only effective with betas because an alpha will walk away. Still some of us have been betas and have learned this the hard way! How much better life is for such a man when he discovers that being nice and pleasing a woman is counter productive. I’m not advocating being mean, just saying a man must be REAL and put his integrity and objectives first. She comes second and she will remain attracted to him because of this.

When a beta discovers and embraces his alpha nature, the quality (and beauty) of the women he can get increases exponentially. He will discover abundance and with this he he will be able to be much more discerning and patient before he makes a committment. He is still better off finding that pheromone compatible woman of adaquate beauty with the right personality, rather than the HOT (or average) bitch.

Also keep in mind the whole scent thing can change for her if she was on the pill and is now off. Her sex drive will decrease dramatically if she goes off the pill after you meet. Unconsiously your scent will likley disgust her and she will no longer be receptive to you. Her emotions and the way she FEELS about you are paramount. Why is this? Because her feelings govern whether she treats her man with respect or disrespect. A man life will become a living hell if he allows a woman to disrepect him in order to appease her. His strength should be shown by intolerance for her behavior and certainly not by being domineering. If a man finds himself in this position, he must plan for his independence because she certainly will eventually act to his detriment and his financial demise.

A dominant man is in control of himself, but a domineering man tries to control her and therefore is really beta at his core.

“Claim” when I left? Zero. I signed off on everything. He chose to be very generous with me when I left due to my earning it. Which is the way is should be. Hence my ease with signing a pre-nup in my own future if ever needed.

Dave and Joseph, being the anti-10 some guys married to “hot” women want to cheat with, I’d say reasons vary.

If someone is married to a hot woman who is simply frigid or uninterested in sex with him reasonably often enough is one thing. A guy will go out and have discreet affairs, and his wife will be glad that he’s not leaving the relationship to start a new one. That’s my grandfather, rest his soul.

If there’s anger there though, lots of things could be happening that alter a man’s perception. I believe in objective beauty. I just also understand that beauty doesn’t always mean the same thing to everyone. What inspires love in one man can inspire hatred in another.

Once a guy’s dream of the unicorn has been dashed, and he finds out his 7-10 does not have a heart of gold, this can turn him against physically attractive women, or women who are physically attractive in the same ways as his wife or whoever else really pisses him off. He’ll look for comfort in women who are at least visibly different from her in some way.

If he gets sufficient social validation for staying with the wife, or fears the penalties enough, he won’t leave her. There is little if any danger of a guy actually choosing a less socially convenient woman unless he is near madly independent and butched for whatever consequences.

The problem is that a hoe thinks everyone is a hoe. Once she’s gotten a hold of her retirement plan, other women are a threat to her because she thinks they’re all after his resources like she was. So the harpy/retired hoe/whatever brand of bitch, will freak out when she suspects her man is “cheating” unless the husband has been doing the right thing and taking the pimp role.

Sometimes a guy who, in that situation, takes on the pimp role might need a break. Sometimes he might want to shag someone he doesn’t have to treat like the dirt on his shoe.

Then, as Joseph says, some guys are going to cheat no matter what.

The way I see it, the only sure thing that all men like is variety. New pussy is for some, a reward no matter what else is attached to it.

Tyrone:
I apologise. Understand the question was ridiculous to me due to the answer being a — to my knowledge — a most definite ‘No.’ As well as this, those mixing Arab and Indian cultures (quite different in some important avenues) often have a contemptuous tone behind it: that’s what I read behind your innocent query.

I think big name alphas will boff a lower status woman for the sexual thrill it gives them.

As well there’s this. many men only want to go for the extremes of male dominance with a girl they think and probably really is slutty and abandoned. I.e. the madonna/whore thing.

That’s both inside lots of guys minds, and also lots of good or fairly good girls heads. Other fairly good girls, though they’ve acted like abandoned, “I’ll do absolutely any depraved and submiissive sexual thing you want me to, I’ll just totally abandon myself for you” for some thrilling dominant bad boys in the past even if there number count isn’t too high, believe that if they ever acted that way with a husband it would totally mess up the outside of the bedroom influence she has over their shared life, and his respect for her etc. So they act like at least fairly restrained and never whole hog abandoned submissive except maybe secretly in their own heads if the guy is alpha enough, with their husbands.

Many sluts on the other hand, particularly of the heavily tattooed or body pierced and maybe also a bit other side of the tracks sort, but not necessarily, have been developing a niche of attracting men by getting more and more extreme in their sexual abandon to thrilling enough dominant guys acting that way with them, and will in fact be good at eliciting that form guys they want to,who may normally be more restrained by upbringing although alpha for other reasons (e.g. Tiger Woods). This can be super thrilling to such guys, and is indeed something they can’t, or are afraid to try, to get at home, with the mother of their children.

It is fully possible to sometimes treat a girls as your utterly abandoned and will degrade herself slut for you in the bedroom, but also respect and tenderly love her outside it and sometimes love her in that style in it too.

It’s fully possible but probably most guys don’t know how with the same girl, even the ones who can go all dom in the first place with some girls.

That’s a tough one for me. 99% of what comes out of a woman’s mouth is inconsequential bullshit, so it goes in my one ear and automatically gets filtered out of the other without it take up space in my neurons. Women’s speech is like birdsong, it’s omnipresent, never stops, and a man would go crazy if he was expected to listen closely, process it, or God forbid, actually remember any of it.

yes, angie was well known for wild rides on the sapphic side in her misspent youth. among other non-saintly behaviors such as kissing her brother. but today, she’s the sainted earth mother. the mother teresa of hollywood and the UN. surely you don’t doubt that she’s transcended her transgressive youth….?

btw, i shared a cab with jon voight in DC once. had a nice long 20-minute conversation with him. i have a pic somewhere of the two of us standing on a street corner on constitution ave. extremely nice, low-key, approachable guy. talked about a lot of things, from midnight cowboy to U.S. politics. but i stayed away from the topic above, out of courtesy.

The only way to enslave someone is to make them think they are doing your will willingly.

I think you are quite right about this. It won’t work otherwise. Any further details as to how you make someone think this? (not trying to get you to give away trade secrets here, but I am genuinely interested)

@looozer
Whatever floats your boat, dude. Do you think the FI4T MA$TER$ are happy? I am. Fuck them, and fuck you. I don’t have to agree with your chickenshit paranoid nonsense to be “alpha”, and I don’t agree with your (or Roissy’s) characterization of what is “alpha” or what it means to be a real man. I pack my own chute, bitches. The only person on this site with any sense at all is xsplat, the rest of you can fuck straight off, internet tough guys.

@greatshitforbrains,
Since you’re an expert, you’ll have to remind me how to jerk off because it’s been so long since I was unassisted by pussy, I forget how. Do you have sex 5 times in one 24-hour span? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Tid bits:
Jon Voight went to school at Catholic University here in DC, as did many of my friends given the architecture program there, and I’m told when he has attended their events he’s a real asshole.

Susan Sarandon attended Catholic as well. I’ve been told she has a great sense of humor.

@anouk- i didn’t know that he went to Catholic. And who knows about these guys- i was low-key and deferential with him, but I think a lot of stars get their backs up and become nasty when they sense stalkerish starfucking behavior.

i have heard susan sarandon has a dirty sense of humor, actually, so that’s a point up for her despite her monumentally idiotic left-wing politics. plus she’s a beautiful women, aged very well, and was very hot in her youth. love the “touch me” song in rocky horror, sung in her underwear. the outrageous gayness of the rest of the movie is (almost) worth putting up with for that scene. also, the “time warp” is awesome.

@sdaed- wow! that’s on my list of underrated thrillers as well. maximilian schell is in it too, as the bad guy. i seem to remember the lead female character’s name is “sigi”, which is unusual enough to stick in my mind, even though nothing much became of the actress that i am aware of. “runaway train” another awesome voight performance, in more of a guy role. he’s a great actor even though in recent years he seems to be going through the motions more and more.

Sigi (pronounced Zigi) has always been very popular with any men I have watched that film with, I remember her famous line to Jon
“I make in a week what you do in a month, taking off my clothes for dirty old men”
journalists were clearly not as well paid as strippers then either it seems.

I haven’t seen Runaway Train, or Midnight Cowboy but I must get them out. Also, the scene in the Munich beer hall with the former Nazis singing “Schwarzbraun ist die Hazelnuss” was class – having been to Munich, I can say hand on heart that fifty years on, there are still so many haunts like this.

[quote] That’s an interesting idea, but I think it misses how you actually dominate people. You do it by seduction. The only way to enslave someone is to make them think they are doing your will willingly.

It’s not merely a matter of controlling yourself, when you control someone else. It’s a matter of seducing them to ask you what you want them to do.
[/quote]

My view is that SEDUCTION is not about controling a woman, it is about influence and being confident, bold, mysterious and knowing what you want. These things all involve controling yourself. A man can be all this while pushing a woman’s arousal buttons. It is fun to watch her heat up and to see the signs of her desire. In this way, the man ACTS and the woman REACTS, yet I do not view this as controling a woman. But conversly if a woman acts and I react, I am allowing myself to be controlled, because I am not in control of myself by virtue of reacting to her.

Most of all, “game” and relationships involves paradoxes. Concepts are important but may appear contradictory. Absolutes are hard to describe. Getting things right 85% of the time is ideal ( 15% means you are a beta and 100% is conterproductive).

Let me put it this way, I will influence a woman to react to me, but I do not need to control her. As a man, my nature is primarily to “initiate”. A woman’s nature is primarily to “actively receive”, and therefore a passive woman is boring to me.

Actually, today’s shack up culture pretty guarantees that a live-in boyfriend is de facto paying for his girlfriend’s previous offspring whether there’s child support payments from the fathers or not. I’ll never understand why younger men agree to this chump lifestyle.

There is a mythology of ‘the wrong person,’ but all marriages are incompatible. All couples disagree about all the same things. All marriages are between people from different families, people who have a different view of things.

We have a highly romanticized notion that if we were with the right person, we wouldn’t fight or disagree about things, but research has shown that long-term happily married couples disagree about these things just as much as couples who divorce.

Marriage is not supposed to make you happy. It is supposed to make you married. How partners handle that collision is what determines the quality of their relationship, and this is quite difficult to predict in advance even if you know the people pretty well.

those were all cool quotes. Some I was familiar with, others not. Many don’t know Kepler the great mathematician was an astrologer. So were Leibniz and Sir Isaac Newton.

I also like to view history in terms of long time frame developments of the human condition. There is in fact a plan for all of this that unfolds over millenia. We are in the age of Aquarius now for instance, which has advanced science greatly and will continue to do so as that is a core Aquarian trait. We are also experiencing the death throes of the energies remaining from the age of Pisces, the age of religion and intuition. These ages are known as great ages and last some 2000 years, based on which sign the spring equinox appears in. this shifts about every two thousand years.

The age of Pisces began with the birth of Christ, its most important figure during that great age, and was heralded by a conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter, a rare and highly significant astrological event. When you consider life then versus now, we have fulfilled many of Christ’s profecies, albeit by advancing ourselves through religion and then science. However, religion was the catalyst to allow the advancement we know today. It got us to stop fighting long enough to create civilization and to maintain it once established. Anyway, the Magi, the Persian priestly class we know as the Three Wise Men, knew of this conjunction and this is why they went to find Jesus and knew where to go. Christ was also born during early March, which is when the sun is in Pisces.

The friction between the age of Aquarius, which symbolizes iconoclasm and devotion to science and humanity through positivism, is in conflict with the dying energies of the age of Pisces, which was dominated by religious inquiry and an emotional and mystical view of the world. That is why we are having this conflict between Islam and the West. Islam is perhaps the most Piscean of the major world religions in its culture and is in fact a very mystical religion. It is why Mohammed said he would be the last prophet too. So far he has been. All of these figures foretold what we are experiencing today, essentially how the world will look once civilized and the conflict that would usher it in. We are at the threshold of the conflict part. The world political and economic power structures are being re-ordered through this conflict and we will see the results in the next ten to twenty years. We will see more war and maybe nuclear war until these religious energies and secular energies are in balance again. Most of this will take place in the Middle East of course, as Persia seeks to recreate its historic empire- Iran, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor via Islam and we try to stop them. Themistocles, where are you when we need you!

Bhetti:

I use a method involving several charts- two birth charts, a synastry chart which shows how your personalities interact, a composite chart, which shows the outcome of your relationship over time, and predictive charts for both parties. John Townley and Robert Hand have devised it. I have seen very compatible people fail because of when they met. Their life paths diverged and both predictive charts showed a break up. I used astrology to pick my wife for example. I am very happy with the results. We live in our own child like little world and have virtually no friction between us. Outsiders might find it silly to observe us, but its the type of marriage most of us dream of. I was aware of what might cause friction well in advance although exactly how can be subtle and sometimes only apparent over time. I was also aware that whatever friction occurred would not derail the marriage and that the union would be fruitful and prosperous with no conflict of wills. I could go into considerable detail. A full report would take about 20 pages. If there is someone you are curious about, it can save a lot of trouble ahead of time.

Why do people always confuse Indian with Hindu? Would y’all like it if someone said “Americans take the Holy Trinity very seriously.”

Astrology is important to Hindus as in people who follow one particular religion in India (and even then, not all sects of Hinduism – I’m pretty sure the reformist Hindus are anti voodoo beliefs like that).

Sorry guys, for every high achieving old guy, there are hundreds of fat, tired, low status guys and this is only getting worse because of the Marxification of this country by Obama and his cronies. I truly wish it weren’t so but it is.

I hope some of you high achieving Alphas and better Betas will spend some of your energy pulling the U.S. back from the brink…game won’t be as fun if future U.S. women have to go au naturel (no makeup, no boob jobs, maybe less teeth) due to lack of resources in this country. Ah well, I guess at that point you’ll just be able to club them over the head and drag them back to your caves by their hair.

Well, just over 80% of Indians are Hindu, so I generalized a bit by leaving out the remaining 20% or so. The term “voodoo” sounds very ignorant on your part considering that many of the greatest thinkers in human history were influenced by, practiced in, and taught astrology. There is not a world leader in active duty today that does not reference an astrologer before taking any major action. The term voodoo means something entirely different from anything that relates to astrology. Once again, you have commented on a topic you show yourself to be unlearned in and used terms that are not applied correctly. You have a habit of doing this.

I would love to chat more on the topic, please email me @ anouk.ange@gmail.com if and when you get some time.

Maurice-

Post on the friend zone is coming by the way, didn’t mean to leave your comment hanging in the air. I’m just touching base with girlfriends spread over the world to have as full of a study group as possible to give it a fair assessment.

SD- you’re such a smarty pants lady. 🙂 A well of knowledge on literature, thank you.

on April 7, 2010 at 1:53 pm Schmoe
@greatshitforbrains,
Since you’re an expert, you’ll have to remind me how to jerk off because it’s been so long since I was unassisted by pussy, I forget how. Do you have sex 5 times in one 24-hour span? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Then you’re an Ace! Good man! How about two different women in 24 hours and having the second one give you head while the pussy juice of the previous one is still on your cock? How about 5 women in 24 hours?

Telling is powerful with women. Telling a woman to write down her phone number is very effective. Asking for her phone number, not so much. Is this control? …Not really, but it is leadership.

So in commanding a dog or a woman, there is some similarity but I will use a stronger voice and greater intensity with a dog. But the amount of internal confidence I have (or should have) would ideally be the same. After all the dog will become happy when pleasing me and so will a woman. But both react badly to harsh words and being kicked!

Yes, I agree that we may be using different language to express the same basic ideas. It seems that you and I are mostly in agreement.

Omarion, to understand that, you have to know their individual histories. Most famous people didn’t start out that way. Who one is at the core is reflected in their sexual choices when they have nearly unlimited choices.

Self confidence and self esteem are illusions. Qualifications, and actions are real. Behavior is real. One can be as confident as they like, and have high self esteem, but the real measure of who one is comes from what one does in a given situation.

Deep inside Bill Clinton is a band nerd who, in his early adulthood, probably didn’t have a whole lot of success with women. Coining a little from Hannibal Lecter, what drives a man to certain actions is what they covet…what they see every day and want, but cannot have.

Guys like Bill probably didn’t see supermodels every day growing up. He didn’t have L.A. beauty all around him. He had homely country and college girls, and some hippies around him. If he was smart, he took positive advantage of those times and got some good, free love-ish, sex from some benevolent ones before he was married to a cute but not terribly stunning grad student.

Then there were the cute but not terribly stunning coworkers, secretaries, fellow politicians, interns…

Through politics, he was able to meet and likely had the opportunity to shag some of the beautiful people who weren’t intellectuals. This might seem like heaven on earth to a normal guy who isn’t a politician, but those normal guys who aren’t politicians don’t have the psychological profile of Bill Clinton.

I would bet money that Monica Lewinsky reminds him of someone he coveted in his past. There may even be rejection issues there, “See? I’m higher status than girls like you now…”

Most high status guys do shag models and the like though. So the exception doesn’t really change the rule. I’d also venture that a more beautiful woman (who herself has much to lose from scandal) is more likely to be discreet.

A less than stunning woman isn’t going to lose the opportunity to shag more politicians or stars if the news comes out because she never had that opportunity except in that one rare case anyway. Lower status guys who are actually in her league would still marry her.

A woman who is herself very beautiful and in those circles has a lot to lose from being the homewrecker or used up mistress out in the open. She’s actually sacrificing something she may not be able to recover from.

In the case of Bill Clinton, there is another factor.
Remember, Prez lives in a fishbowl. Getting
some is a logistical problem thesedays. Back
when JFK was prez, it was different, and the
Secret Service was cooperative or at least discreet.

Not so anymore.

So doing an intern that is working right next to the
Oval Office is manna from heaven. Few if anybody
need to know. Convenient, clearn, and low
probability of being found out – except if the
intern rats him out herself, oops.

””””””PA
Anony is once again spitting in her husband’s face by baiting a notorious PUA to call her dirty names. What a shitty wife.

[editor: the problem with anony is that she says nothing new. boring and repetitive. she listens not, she learns not. and she displays her self-serving hackery in the most grating manner. as for her latest anti-reality iteration — the “predictable life trajectory” canard — it’s utterly irrelevant to the functioning of the sexual market. as a man’s power grows, no matter how predictably, he will become more attractive to more women. and that includes his wife.]
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Yea shit is funny

Why woman must insist that a man cannot change. Look at guys after divorce they get kneed in the balls and bounce back a lot of times even with a giant gorrilla on their backs.
I consistantly watched 40, 50, 60, 70, and even 80 year old guys completely retool their lives in a few years. Including starting families. It doesn’t take years and years to make a change. I can completely have a new life in a year and a half after the knowledge that I have obtained at the tender age of 34 he he he

As to the perfect marriage. I think the antiquated version of worrying about cheating is of course bullshit fuck that noise. Just be able to commit for life and mean it. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to explore the possibilities of life that are out there as well. Only have one life to make some changes but still only so much time.

””””””’For a man to continue getting very attractive women in their early to mid 20s past his late 30s he needs something extra besides game: good looks, vast wealth or power. To pull 8+ early 20s women in your 40s you need to max out on your attractiveness on every level.””””””’

Or have a connection into their world. Just hire your very own matchmaker agency for just you.

@greatshitforbrains,
Since you’re an expert, you’ll have to remind me how to jerk off because it’s been so long since I was unassisted by pussy, I forget how. Do you have sex 5 times in one 24-hour span? No? Then shut the fuck up.

Then you’re an Ace! Good man! How about two different women in 24 hours and having the second one give you head while the pussy juice of the previous one is still on your cock? How about 5 women in 24 hours?

It’s the Sleazeball Olympics!

“How about tag teaming with her Great Dane?”
“Oh yeah, well how about a 20-girl A2M daisy-chain?”
“That’s nothing, I had a girl process my wiener through a sausage grinder.”
Etc etc etc

”””””xsplat
I suppose we could be using different language to say the same thing, Joe, but how about this; when you tell her to make you carrot juice, do you do it the same way you would command a dog?
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The key is for her to read your mind and improvise.
You shouldn’t have to say make the carrot juice it should already be in your hand. he he he

“Women cannot have it all — they must choose hot sex and near certainty of being betrayed or boring, safe sex, but much lower chance of being cheated on. It is their choice.”

This is typical socially-clueless idiocy again, and justification for your own gamma (not beta) lack of sexual prowess. If anything, the betas are better in bed simply because they’re nicer and more invested in you than alphas, who only want theirs. Fuck alphas, they’re douchebags who are predictably terrible in bed. The nice guy cares about pleasing women.