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apologies I didn't think the majority of fans would think klopp has been outstanding this season if he doesn't secure top four

I'm a fan, and think he's doing a decent job, but I don't agree with the apparently common perception that he's making a silk purse out of a sows ear - I think we have a decent group of players that should be competing at the upper end of the table. I'm not at all surprised that we are where we are.

I'm a fan, and think he's doing a decent job, but I don't agree with the apparently common perception that he's making a silk purse out of a sows ear - I think we have a decent group of players that should be competing at the upper end of the table. I'm not at all surprised that we are where we are.

We have a squad which at worst is the sixth best in the prem. So based on that, being one of the top six clubs in the country, you would think we should have a decent shout at top four. Especially as we have a bit more stability with klopp in his second year.

Maureen, conte and pep are in their first seasons so we have that edge over them.

This is why many doubt the way in which our club is ran, we might finish top four here and there, but is it really sustainable when all the other clubs are going to blow us out of the transfer market every summer ?

Hopefully we can be the team to push Arsenal out - of course we will need a tighter defence and more shape and balance from the front 6....

It would be nice wouldnt it, I just want us to have two good finishes for two seasons on the trot, it would be the first time this has happened for a while and would actually show that we are getting somewhere eh.

It would be nice wouldnt it, I just want us to have two good finishes for two seasons on the trot, it would be the first time this has happened for a while and would actually show that we are getting somewhere eh.

This is why many doubt the way in which our club is ran, we might finish top four here and there, but is it really sustainable when all the other clubs are going to blow us out of the transfer market every summer ?

Time will tell.

Many clubs spent more then us this season, and they are far bellow us.
How much you spend is not the same as spending the money wisely.
And look at arsenal. As soon as they began to spend on expensive players they fell apart

Many clubs spent more then us this season, and they are far bellow us.
How much you spend is not the same as spending the money wisely.
And look at arsenal. As soon as they began to spend on expensive players they fell apart

One season is neither here nor there in the general scheme of things, what we need is consistent growth, just like Ron said.

We have been pretty hit and miss for a long long time, one step forward and two steps back, there is only one way to tell if our plan will work out sustainable in the long term.

Our first 13-16 or so depending on which subs you want to count isn't inferior. Unfortunately, beyond that there's a pretty noticeable drop-off in quality/experience and we've had to delve that deeply way too often. If our season injury list looked like Chelsea's we'd probably be right there with (or above) them.

Our first 13-16 or so depending on which subs you want to count isn't inferior. Unfortunately, beyond that there's a pretty noticeable drop-off in quality/experience and we've had to delve that deeply way too often. If our season injury list looked like Chelsea's we'd probably be right there with (or above) them.

That is a good point, we have to be ready and prepared for injuries though, our squad just does not have enough quality in it to cope with these instances.

Our first 13-16 or so depending on which subs you want to count isn't inferior. Unfortunately, beyond that there's a pretty noticeable drop-off in quality/experience and we've had to delve that deeply way too often. If our season injury list looked like Chelsea's we'd probably be right there with (or above) them.

There are elements of our first 11 that are a match, even superior to some of the other top sides but there are also elements that are definitely inferior.

Overall our squad is not at the same level as the other 'top five' sides.

That is a good point, we have to be ready and prepared for injuries though, our squad just does not have enough quality in it to cope with these instances.

I doubt Klopp will make that mistake again.

I think he knew going in there was the potential for it to get dodgy at times but didn't want to bring in too many new faces. This summer will be about building the squad back out to size to cope with a heavier workload by adding a half dozen or so more while keeping most everyone from this season. I'd be surprised to see anyone beyond Sturridge that's featured somewhat regularly this season go.

I think he knew going in there was the potential for it to get dodgy at times but didn't want to bring in too many new faces. This summer will be about building the squad back out to size to cope with a heavier workload by adding a half dozen or so more while keeping most everyone from this season. I'd be surprised to see anyone beyond Sturridge that's featured somewhat regularly this season go.

One season is neither here nor there in the general scheme of things, what we need is consistent growth, just like Ron said.

We have been pretty hit and miss for a long long time, one step forward and two steps back, there is only one way to tell if our plan will work out sustainable in the long term.

And that growth should not be a spending race with other clubs. Its not about how much you spend. But with what you end up with for the money.
And we have wasted a big amount of money on useless players for long time. That is what needs to be changed.

Not sure Lucas goes, it depends on what he wants really. If he wants to go to a retirement league and start every match then sure, he'll be gone. If he wants to carry on as a bit/cup player I can easily see it happening. He won't be forced out, I'm not entirely sure Moreno and Markovic will be cast aside either. Sakho, probably Sturridge, and a number of the fringe like Randall, Ojo, Bogdan, Manninger, Wisdom, etc. will be shown the door.

Not sure Lucas goes, it depends on what he wants really. If he wants to go to a retirement league and start every match then sure, he'll be gone. If he wants to carry on as a bit/cup player I can easily see it happening. He won't be forced out, I'm not entirely sure Moreno and Markovic will be cast aside either. Sakho, probably Sturridge, and a number of the fringe like Randall, Ojo, Bogdan, Manninger, Wisdom, etc. will be shown the door.