As an iPhone "enthusiast", even I can see that the iPhone has peaked or will peak very soon. There's less and less headroom for market differentiation in the handset space every day. What kind of neat shiat are you going to make a phone do that it hasn't done before, or what is there left to improve? Apple will always have the edge in design, but that edge is getting thinner and thinner all the time. Eventually it will be too thin for most people to notice, as Android and the handsets that run it improve incrementally over years, with lots of free help from the Open Source community (an asset Apple can't leverage on iPhone for the most part).

That having been said, I probably won't switch to Android for my personal phone, as it doesn't offer anything I want, except for availability of apps that change the system features of the phone. If I wanted access to that functionality, I could always jailbreak my device, but I won't because a jailbroken iPhone is as unreliable as an Android device, for the same reasons as Android. I bought my phone specifically because of the curated walled garden, but I could see switching over to Android at some point, once the carrier bloatware, device fragmentation and junkware/malware problems have been sorted out.

wjllope:I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

Also not a camera expert, or even an amateur photographer, although I do take an occasional picture with my Droid BUT...I saw an article awhile back (not going to track it down right now, m'kay) that said more pixels aren't necessarily always better. In fact, when you start seeing ridiculously high megapixel numbers on a low-end camera, buyer beware because if it sounds too good to be true...

That article was heinously detailed, and most of it went over my head.

Fuggin Bizzy:wjllope: I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

Also not a camera expert, or even an amateur photographer, although I do take an occasional picture with my Droid BUT...I saw an article awhile back (not going to track it down right now, m'kay) that said more pixels aren't necessarily always better. In fact, when you start seeing ridiculously high megapixel numbers on a low-end camera, buyer beware because if it sounds too good to be true...

That article was heinously detailed, and most of it went over my head.

From what I have read, Nokia is actually doing some interesting things with the camera. The sensor itself is 1/1.5", so it is a lot larger than most smartphones (and even bigger than the 1/2.3" sensors found on a lot of point and shoot cameras), so the size of the pixels is still roughly the same size as most smartphones despite the really high resolution. The final image is also not 41 MP for most uses , because the camera app saves the original full res version of the file and then either does oversampling of the pixels to remove random pixel noise or lets you zoom in on part of the full res image. Because there are so many pixels to play with, you can apparently zoom in 3x during capture and still wind up with a final 5 MP image. The idea is to give you a digital zoom that doesn't totally suck. Video works the same way and they are saying you can get 4x zoom on 1080p video and 6x zoom if you shoot 720p.

Because of the demise of Blackberry's relevance and the lack of Microsoft to deliver anything for corporate customers(they still push WM6.5 for businesses), Apple is being heavily adopted in the corporate world, which is boosting numbers tremendously.

bhcompy:Because of the demise of Blackberry's relevance and the lack of Microsoft to deliver anything for corporate customers(they still push WM6.5 for businesses), Apple is being heavily adopted in the corporate world, which is boosting numbers tremendously.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned more. My company is phasing out Blackberry altogether; they're testing Android right now, but most of what they're offering is iPhone (hell, iPhone is the only choice you have if you want AT&T).

HeartBurnKid:bhcompy: Because of the demise of Blackberry's relevance and the lack of Microsoft to deliver anything for corporate customers(they still push WM6.5 for businesses), Apple is being heavily adopted in the corporate world, which is boosting numbers tremendously.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned more. My company is phasing out Blackberry altogether; they're testing Android right now, but most of what they're offering is iPhone (hell, iPhone is the only choice you have if you want AT&T).

What about the android phones that ATT sells?

/disclaimer, i am tech manager at ATT and iphone users are the bane of my existence.

theflatline:HeartBurnKid: bhcompy: Because of the demise of Blackberry's relevance and the lack of Microsoft to deliver anything for corporate customers(they still push WM6.5 for businesses), Apple is being heavily adopted in the corporate world, which is boosting numbers tremendously.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned more. My company is phasing out Blackberry altogether; they're testing Android right now, but most of what they're offering is iPhone (hell, iPhone is the only choice you have if you want AT&T).

What about the android phones that ATT sells?

/disclaimer, i am tech manager at ATT and iphone users are the bane of my existence.

I've had an iPhone for a while now. I'll probably stick with Apple for my next phone (because I'm stubborn) but that being said, I would definitely agree that Apple has peaked. There are a lot of really nice phones on the market these days and Apple really doesn't bring any "wow" to the table anymore.

All smart phone manufacturers are in the same place. There is only so much you can do with a phone, and making slight changes to the case or UI won't alter that fact. Smartphones are just appliances, and not really worth getting that worked up about.

Mad_Radhu:The phone has an optical image stabilization system that should take care of most normal camera shaking from hand holding the phone.

IANA Mech E, but it would seem that positioning the lens in the center of the camera is probably a good choice. Except for one-handed selfies, of course.

Also, Apple loves U. The nanny-state app store and the sandboxing that some people hate are there to prevent rogue apps from sending all of your personal data and one handed selfies to some hacker hiding behind seven proxies. Except for rogue, free wireless hotspots using the ingenious and secret name "attwifi" to draw in unsuspecting rubes.

Galvatron Zero:I've had an iPhone for a while now. I'll probably stick with Apple for my next phone (because I'm stubborn) but that being said, I would definitely agree that Apple has peaked. There are a lot of really nice phones on the market these days and Apple really doesn't bring any "wow" to the table anymore.

It's time for them to step up, definitely. Rumors are of different sized iPhones, and cheaper ones, but what's new with rumors. iWatches iEtc.

Fuggin Bizzy:wjllope: I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

Also not a camera expert, or even an amateur photographer, although I do take an occasional picture with my Droid BUT...I saw an article awhile back (not going to track it down right now, m'kay) that said more pixels aren't necessarily always better. In fact, when you start seeing ridiculously high megapixel numbers on a low-end camera, buyer beware because if it sounds too good to be true...

That article was heinously detailed, and most of it went over my head.

A lens is EXTREMELY important. More important than more pixels, really. A real lens, not the piece of shiat pinhole on the back of your phone. Also, the size of the image sensor is important. A crappy sensor and a crappy lens will give you 'X' Megapixels of noisy image. The one benefit of more pixels is that you can fix some issues by downsampling, but what it boils down to is that if you want to take good pics, you need a good lens and a good CCD sensor.

It's why I'm interested in the S4 Zoom, actually. It's more like a camera that can make calls.

Fuggin Bizzy:wjllope: I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

Also not a camera expert, or even an amateur photographer, although I do take an occasional picture with my Droid BUT...I saw an article awhile back (not going to track it down right now, m'kay) that said more pixels aren't necessarily always better. In fact, when you start seeing ridiculously high megapixel numbers on a low-end camera, buyer beware because if it sounds too good to be true...

That article was heinously detailed, and most of it went over my head.

Those high pixels are being packed into a very small sensor, causing the picture quality to suffer as well as having more video noise. Cell phone cameras, regardless of brand don't take pictures anywhere as good as a digital mid level SLR.

Latinwolf:Fuggin Bizzy: wjllope: I'm not a camera expert, but with a "camera" that light, won't the fact that one cannot possibly keep it steady after pushing the shutter button pretty much negate the impact of so many pixels?

Also not a camera expert, or even an amateur photographer, although I do take an occasional picture with my Droid BUT...I saw an article awhile back (not going to track it down right now, m'kay) that said more pixels aren't necessarily always better. In fact, when you start seeing ridiculously high megapixel numbers on a low-end camera, buyer beware because if it sounds too good to be true...

That article was heinously detailed, and most of it went over my head.

Those high pixels are being packed into a very small sensor, causing the picture quality to suffer as well as having more video noise. Cell phone cameras, regardless of brand don't take pictures anywhere as good as a digital mid level SLR.

And lens, how could I forget that. Most lens on camera are cheap plastic things.

They'll never reach "peak iPhone" as long as people are embarrassed to be seen with last week's model. "No, man. You need the new September 5th one. I can't believe you're still walking around with that late-August one."