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Quote from a Seahawks fan at the sports bar just before kickoff . . .
"I tell you a team to look out for, Baltimore. Their defense is stellar and they're gonna run and run and run with multiple RBs. It's gonna be boring to watch, but they have a stingy defense to keep them in a lot of games."

Face it, they blew it on Fisher and Ogbuehi. Look at Dennard giving up an easy 48 yard touchdown like he was a rookie.

I'm not surprised though, Harbaugh is a way better coach than Lewis. Whenever we play a solid team at the beginning of the season, Lewis has been always out-coached and we always come out flat. Suggs had his way with the offense and made life miserable for Dalton. And yeah, I was wondering why they kept putting no running back on the other side to chip or double-team Suggs. These coaches think up these clever schemes. Choose an identity and stick with it. The offense is trying to do WAY too much. I think there is actually too many weapons if that makes any sense and we're bogged down trying to get everybody a touch or involved in the offense. What is the defense giving you and what is your absolute best strength at offense. Throw your strength at their defense and see if they can stop. Don't throw a bunch of things out there and see what works.

Let's just say that I used a lot of unladylike language at the bar today, and some of it was quite loud. OL sucked, Dalton sucked and I'm not sure he has any confidence in his receivers other than Green because he kept trying to force the ball his way. News flash to the coaches, teams are going to try to take away Green. Do you think that maybe, you might try throwing to someone other than Green?

"She's a Browns fan. She doesn't know anything about the playoffs." Chuck Todd referring to Kelly O'Donnell on "Meet the Press"

"The Browns are so low in national esteem that they troll the football equivalent of the thermal vents at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in the Pacific. This is the deepest point on the surface of the earth. Strange creatures live there and also in Berea." Bill Livingston-The Plain Dealer

ok great, that plugs one leak (maybe), now what about the rest of them??

OGB was just one of 5 problems up front.

I don't know what any OC could do with the mess up front Zamp had dumped in his lap.

There were plenty of posters here who said we would 'design' our offense to use the skill players and minimize the inexperience of the OL. Our offense was going to be amazing! ZERO evidence of that, complete Kool-Aid.

There were plenty of posters here who said we would 'design' our offense to use the skill players and minimize the inexperience of the OL. Our offense was going to be amazing! ZERO evidence of that, complete Kool-Aid.

and I care about none of that......just tell me what QB or OC you're gonna bring in here that will fare any better behind the o-line group that we saw today.

and I care about none of that......just tell me what QB or OC you're gonna bring in here that will fare any better behind the o-line group that we saw today.

None and THAT was my point months ago. I said the OL would be the worst or near worst in the league and the offense would suffer for it. At best, the OL may become average by year end. It was unrealistic to expect anything from them. Another Bengal team with explosive offensive players but no commitment to the OL. Once again, Mikey and Marvin play checkers while the elite of the league play chess.

We're still buffoons in the red-zone and worse than last year. At least last year we would come away with field attempts instead of turnovers.

When it was 17-0 and Vigil intercepted the ball, I said "Let's just put Bullock out there to kick a field goal and get a quick 3 to make it 17-3". Tobin selected Ogbuehi and Fisher, have had two years to figure out they aren't even average starters and stuck with these idiots. Bodine got thrashed too as usual.

There were plenty of posters here who said we would 'design' our offense to use the skill players and minimize the inexperience of the OL. Our offense was going to be amazing! ZERO evidence of that, complete Kool-Aid.

Yep. and those of us who said "the king has no clothes" were chastised as "bellyachers."

None and THAT was my point months ago. I said the OL would be the worst or near worst in the league and the offense would suffer for it. At best, the OL may become average by year end. It was unrealistic to expect anything from them. Another Bengal team with explosive offensive players but no commitment to the OL. Once again, Mikey and Marvin play checkers while the elite of the league play chess.

Burn the tape and prepare for the Texans. Typical Marvin. Team not prepared, poor clock management, playing conservative when the team should be in desperation mode, etc. Bad Andy showed up in full force. I think he'll bounce back on Thursday. The poor offensive line play does not bode well for the rest of the season. All that MMA training Ogbuehi did apparently didn't do jack to improve his ability to defend against the bull rush.

I'm not ready to completely abandon ship yet, but obviously the Bengals need to play much better on Thursday night. The only bright spot is the defense only gave up 20 points despite the 5 turnovers, one of which was inside the 5 yard line. Other than the touchdown to Maclin, the Ravens didn't do anything in the air.

The defense did play well. The scheme sucks though. The Ravens ran it on us. I swear this is linebacker play. They always play so far off the line that offensive lineman easily get off of their blocks and move to the second level. So many third and shorts and the Ravens just ran it with linebackers getting engulfed by offensive lineman. Or that's how has seemed for over 8 years now. Our linebackers are asked to do too much because we're in the bend but don't break deal.

The defense did play well. The scheme sucks though. The Ravens ran it on us. I swear this is linebacker play. They always play so far off the line that offensive lineman easily get off of their blocks and move to the second level. So many third and shorts and the Ravens just ran it with linebackers getting engulfed by offensive lineman. Or that's how has seemed for over 8 years now. Our linebackers are asked to do too much because we're in the bend but don't break deal.

The largest problem is whenever a Bengal tackles someone the ball carrier always falls forward for an extra couple of yards.

The largest problem is whenever a Bengal tackles someone the ball carrier always falls forward for an extra couple of yards.

Tackle? Tackle? The problem is that they don't, can't, and haven't tackled for years!

"She's a Browns fan. She doesn't know anything about the playoffs." Chuck Todd referring to Kelly O'Donnell on "Meet the Press"

"The Browns are so low in national esteem that they troll the football equivalent of the thermal vents at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in the Pacific. This is the deepest point on the surface of the earth. Strange creatures live there and also in Berea." Bill Livingston-The Plain Dealer

How does Minter get such a high grade when the Ravens were consistently getting positive run yardage.....

Minter is solid, that defense as a whole will be among the league leaders by the time it's all said and done, IMO........provided of course that the league lets Vontaze actually play football once he comes back.

Yep. and those of us who said "the king has no clothes" were chastised as "bellyachers."

What up, LT? lol

"This game isn't worth it. The National Football League isn't worth it. There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worryin' about a friggin' football game."----The prophet Sam Wyche