Comment by Kaidence

I just obtained this trinket from Fathom-lord Karathress, and so far I have analysed the following:

The 50% proc rate on crit is about correct. It has about a 30 second internal cooldown. This means it can't be on 100% of the time.

Seeing as I'm a Mage, I am using it as follows: I Scorch a raid boss untill it procs, then switch to the bigger nukes (Fireball), and after roughly counting the internal cooldown, I get the proc again with Scorch.

Comment by littlidabbi

Edit: Didnt notice the timer. 15 sec against 10 secs. Makes this better but in the end its still Normal Mode Arcatraz drop vs. Serpentshrine Cavern drop.

Edit2: According to comments on the Nexus-Horn it also lasts 15 secs. But as the tooltip says 10 secs it is likely that Blizzard will change it to "intended" duration, either that or fix the tooltip.

Comment by obscenitor

This trinket's effect has a hidden 45 second cooldown. Crits from Molten Armor can activate the trinket, and I tanked about 30 mobs in Ragefire Chasm to ensure I got multiple crits per second (30%+ crit rate at the time), and after repeated tests, it never, ever proc'd until 45 seconds after the previous proc.

Comment by Shivacode

Pretty sad they had to nerf a perfectly good trinket (Shiffar's) in order to make this look good.

Comment by Piaggio

Is it just me or is this thing as good/ a sidegrade from Shiffar's Nexus-Horn http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28418 ? I mean it really doesn't make much sense considering the difference in difficulty between Arcatraz and SSC... Well, I guess I'm not the only one that loves BC itemization....

Comment by Splinter

For those of you who can't click the On Equip: link, here is what it does:

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Comment by Liquids

So what is the proc rate on this thing? Some say 20%, some say 50%. I seem to remember that the spelldmg was buffed from 175 to 190 at one point, but it seems the old comments have been deleted. Maybe the proc rate got changed there as well?

Can anyone elaborate on this? There's quite a big difference between 20% and 50%.

Comment by Ilovemage

SEX-tant

lol.

Comment by Chickenspine

Has anyone ever got this and Shiffar's Nexus Horn to proc at the same time, or are they on the same cooldown?415 damage!!!

Comment by Agentsmith1818

I'd like the opinion of those viewing this thread. Last night, one of these dropped and a debate arose over whether this was a viable paladin trinket.

40 Spell Crit Rating is no joke for a paladin, that's nearly 2%. This equip makes it better than any other trinket designed for a healer up to that point. (excluding VR's piston) Furthermore, most raiding paladins at this point seem to have ~23%-30% to crit on heals, so this proc would be used as often as possible within the confines of the hidden cooldown.

In my opinion, had this trinket been 190 HEALING ONLY, no one would argue that it was a poor trinket for a healer, it would probably be viewed as appropriate. I do understand that the damage bonus will scale better than the healing bonus.

Regardless, it still seems as if a paladin could utilize this trinket and its proc just as well as any caster. Any thoughts supporting either side of the argument are appreciated. :)

Comment by Ravedruid

Any casting class that has a central talent that, to gain the benefit of the talent, requires a spell critical to occur has a legitimate claim to this and should be allowed to do so.

My ideal trinket for a holy paladin would be a +80ish healing passive with a chance on spell cast to increase spell critical rating by x amount for x amount of time.

This, however, is the trinket closest to that and is excellent for a Paladin. The main draw is the equip not the proc. This is not just extra healing it is pretty much mp/5 as well with illumination. A debate about class priority with this kind of drop is far from new though and I still remember quite clearly all of the differing opnions from in the day when it was the Azuresong Mageblade everyone had an opinion on.

A holy paladin has several options as far as trinkets and the only two that are as universally useful as this one are the Memento and the Essence of the Martyr.

The Ribbon of Sacrifice is nice but situational. With a boss that does a lot of light damage over a short period of time it can shine.

The Piston is fantastic since it gives Paladn's the ability to apply a HoT but since it is an equip and not triggered, the proc can be wasted if your heal brought someone back to full health and they are not likely to take any more damage before the HoT wears off

Considering the proc only, it is not the same thing as the Piston or Ribbon. Both of these two trinkets are pretty much fire and forget; you leave the benefit behind when you switch to a different target. Yes, the ribbon can be stacked on multiple targets but more often than not when I proc mine there is a good chance there is going to be at least 1 stack on someone who is not necessairly going to need to be healed again before the buff wears off. It is the same with the Piston.

So while granted it is not a triggered effect, the benifit of the proc stays at and with the healer and not the healer's target.

My paladin is geared and socketed to be a crit flash of light build and stacks crit over mp/5. With 30% crit, Illumination becomes the source of mana efficency with him. The addtional crit from this trinket (of which it has the highest of any trinket in the game) only adds to this.

In fact, I actually prefer that the equip is a proc and not a triggered boost.

Casting a 1.5 second spell, select your next target, watching and anticpating damage about to come into the raid, throwing a BoP on one target so you have enough time to switch to another player in more desperate need of a heal before going back, watching your own damage being taken and knowing when to shield, hitting the tank with holy light to get Light's Grace up before the next transition of x phase in x fight, activating Divine Illumination because you are going to be chain casting Holy Light for a time, during which you Holy Shock one target to keep them up, using Divine Favor with Flash of Light on another person after your next cast is through and all the while running to a different position, pausing only long enough to get off one heal before you got ot keep booking it towards where you need to be.

Is it any surprise that I won't even think to use my Ribbon sometimes? When the chicken's head comes off 5 cooldowns is plenty to remember as it is. If the tank is rocking steady the other healers will watch the incoming damage and heal reactively and I will I go to the player with the most lost health or the player with the higher importance in that given encounter and heal them instead and immediately reassesing the raid and selecting my next target before or right as the Flash of Light cast on my previous target is landing. Even if the sextant happened to proc it would not be wasted.

Comment by aquilla

If it wasn't for that pesky cooldown, this would be pimpin for resto druid. With Improved Regrowth (+50% crit) it would be easy to trigger but with internal cooldown at 45 secs and 100% uptime it would only average out to 190*15/45 = +63.3~ healing :\\

With that said it wouldn't be of much use to any healing class as even the LC revered trinket gives you more than that. Would be nice to see some more versatile gear...

Comment by Giannispsy

I recentlly had a shadow priest need this over my warlock...The truth is that i dont know sp class that much but i know that they can only crit with mind blast/sw:Pain and i just cant stop thinking this item is a waste to a sp...your opinion?

Comment by Lohmarn

I just picked this up last night. Im an Elemental Shaman and I have been farming for the Shiffar's Nexus Horn forever and finally got this instead.

Kinda disappointed with it compared to the Nexus Horn.

Nexus Horn has 35 more spelldmg, but only lasts 10 sec. and also has 30 crit

So what makes this epic is 10 more crit and 5 more sec of lesser spell dmg. I dont get it, especially if they have the same cooldown duration.

But ultimately, this Trinket and Quagmirran's Eye is one of the best combo's in this game, no matter which caster you are.

Comment by fireflame

Is the 45 sec cooldown shared with shiffar's horn or are they separate cooldowns?

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Comment by Cheops

Looking at http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28418 , is there really any huge benefit other then 10 spell crit rating? It seems like the decreased damage you get from the proc would not make up for the slight increase in crit that one would think you could get elsewhere. I've got the nexus horn when I'm spec'd demon/destruction and it has the same type proc rate I've read here for this trinket but was obviously much easier to come by.

Comment by Valon

Elemental Shamans, do your best rolling on this item. It really rocks I can tell you.

Comment by PimpyMicPimp

It's an awesome trinket for any caster class (except for Shadow Priests, since they don't really use crit). Warlocks, Mages, Ele Shammies, and Doomkins can all make use of this. Trying to say it's for one class over another is just stupid.

Comment by Nemph

Let us assume that we are casting many times one kind of critable spell with constant casting speed and with ~100% chance to hit.

Tested on simulator created by me which simulates live casting rotations.Results depend on parameters I ve described above, but even if we will pick up crit chance value and cast time of the spell from very wide range Resulting Average SPD Bonus will change with much lower difference from ~40 SPD to ~60 SPD.

Making conclusion, for all casters like Destrolocks, Mages, o.Onkins or Ele-Shamans this trinket will give approximately 50 SPD bonus only from it's "Chance On Crit" including its 45 sec cooldown and 20% proc on crit.

Comment by Aeoliana

This trinket is absolutely amazing for a frost mage. My hasted FB are 2.36 sec casts and with Winters Chill fully stacked I have a 38% crit chance. Last night on FLK it procd 7 times in 7 min 36 sec accounting for an average increase in +dmg (only from the buff) of 43.75 passive. The 1.81% crit adds an extra 102 dmg per FB average so all in all this trinket is awesome :)

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Comment by Tunasaladin

This is an increasingly powerful item for Holy Paladins in particular, ever since Healing and Spellpower were scaled accordingly. A return of 190 spell power is near equivalent to a 380 bonus healing proc, doubling from its potency pre-3.0.

Comment by protossadv

does this proc off blizzard crits?

Comment by Khaim

I found this thing while searching for "sex". Oh my.

Comment by Marudrin

Sounds kinky.. ;3

Comment by TundraFrost

lolz I also put "sex" in search

Comment by darom

not exactly wat i was looking for....but i stillz gotz a bonerz

Comment by Maegord

people only find this item when they search for "sex"

and i found this searching sex too...

Comment by geode4723

Hmmm the only item with sex in it.as if you neded more proof WoW and sex didn't go together.

Comment by Siked

HUNTER WEAPON!

Comment by LilGazzi

This is the only item that shows up in WoWhead if you search for sex. By the way, if you did that like me, you are also very sad. :D But I had many lulz.