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Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

ON the Federal Level, based on what I'm seeing on the news, the assault weapons ban has been pushed to the back burner. There simply isn't enough votes to pass it. The measure was pulled from the Senate bill on gun control legislation for fear it would prevent any bill from being passed. The focus seems to be on tightening up background check requirements to cover more independent sales and mental health issues. The former is running into issues of private exchanges which quite frankly may be unenforceable on an individual basis. There does seem to be the beginning of a backlash in the mental health community on the latter out of concerns about patient privacy and rights.

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

back burner is a mistake. better to bring forward something reasonable and show clearly which people are against it. make them accountable.

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

New York mayor Michael Bloomberg is bankrolling a $12m advertising blitz in a bid to pressure Congress into adopted stricter gun controls.

The television ads are set to run in 13 key states during the congressional recess and are aimed at influencing an upcoming Senate vote on gun reforms.

Announcing the move, Bloomberg – the co-chair of Mayors Against Illegal Guns and one of the US's most high-profile advocates of tighter controls – said: "These ads bring the voices of Americans – who overwhelmingly support comprehensive and enforceable background checks – into the discussion to move senators to immediately take action to prevent gun violence."

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Nothing will be done. The NRA has the republican controlled congress in their hip pocket and regularly threatens their careers if they even so much as whisper anything about gun control. The NRA is a front for the gun manufacturers and any sort of gun legislation would hurt their profits.

So the accessory to mass murder, Wayne LaPierre, will happily go along being a shill for the gun manufacturers so the public to have weapons of war as their playthings. He'll continue to wave the second amendment around forgetting the rights of those who's lives have been snuffed out.

Meanwhile American children will continue to be slaughtered because these republicans patsies refuse to grow a set and take a stand against their NRA masters.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by Stardreamer

Even at the cost of the whole thing going down in flames? The Senate wants to get something done, not lock everything up in more partisan gridlock.

"Getting something done" i.e., the appearance of legislative activity, is fairly pointless when the real problem is the viewpoint of most Americans, i.e., that owning a weapon is actually a useful, reasonable, practical, and best means of self defence.

Since the US is a democracy, no law will actually change anything enough to make a difference until people understand that while there is a place for guns in private hands, this "self defence" argument is complete nonsense and most people have no business owning and operating a weapon. The current gun nut nonsense is on the scale of creationist nonsense (and not surprisingly overlapping).

Anyway, to begin the process, you can't really cooperate with these people, which is why "bipartisanship" is a dead end.

You have to assign responsibility for the failure in the most public and persistent way possible so that partisanship can do its work and begin the long road to change. And you have to wait for a bunch of old second-amendment-gun-nuts to die off just like the dying homophobes are paving the way for equal marriage. And you can't let up on the pressure in the interim. You have to call out the gun nuts in the same way that we call out homophobes and racists and communists and facists etc...

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Bloomberg really thinks of himself like Kim Jong Un. He is such a megalomaniacal moron. He is one of the primary reasons I hate going to NYC. I have to because of my job but I hate it so much. It is about as much fun as going to any random third world shithole.

The thing that interests me about the gun debate is conspicuous lack of mandatory sentencing guidelines for criminals using firearms. I know there is the three strikes law but if you really want to do something have a one strike law with a mandatory sentence of 25 years for everyone without restriction and without parole. That would mean anyone from a juvenile to an elderly adult, including law enforcement personnel, would have to serve 25 years in prison for the misuse of a gun.

The current legislation is only directed at law abiding citizens. It does not address the criminal. Criminals, for the most part, are not going to obtain a gun in the normal way. Therefore registering guns won't work for this particular section of the public. Background checks may be of some use but the potential for abuse is ever present. I personally don't have a problem limiting magazine sizes. It is ridiculous how low some of the proposals are, though. I can see limiting access to a 100 round drum, but saying 7 or 10 rounds is just stupid.

The bottom line is if you think guns are dangerous things then don't buy one. Chances are that you will never have to encounter a gun in your lifetime. The are plenty of dangerous things that can and do kill people more frequently than do guns that remain unregulated or restricted.

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by bankside

"Getting something done" i.e., the appearance of legislative activity, is fairly pointless when the real problem is the viewpoint of most Americans, i.e., that owning a weapon is actually a useful, reasonable, practical, and best means of self defence.

Since the US is a democracy, no law will actually change anything enough to make a difference until people understand that while there is a place for guns in private hands, this "self defence" argument is complete nonsense and most people have no business owning and operating a weapon. The current gun nut nonsense is on the scale of creationist nonsense (and not surprisingly overlapping).

Anyway, to begin the process, you can't really cooperate with these people, which is why "bipartisanship" is a dead end.

You have to assign responsibility for the failure in the most public and persistent way possible so that partisanship can do its work and begin the long road to change. And you have to wait for a bunch of old second-amendment-gun-nuts to die off just like the dying homophobes are paving the way for equal marriage. And you can't let up on the pressure in the interim. You have to call out the gun nuts in the same way that we call out homophobes and racists and communists and facists etc...

Not the appearance of legislation but actual legislation based on compromise and art of what is achievable, that is how a representative democracy works. Its when you take an all or nothing stand on an issue (like no tax increases or assault weapon ban or nothing) that things grind into gridlock.

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Ah, the usual "if we tighten gun control, it will become a criminal dystopia because criminals will just conjure guns through alchemy!" argument.

I am baffled. There are liberals who are against abortion - we even have a few on here. Why then are there NO conservatives that are against gun control? O.o

Really? None at all?

The GOP leadership establishment in the U.S. House of Representatives has hinted it may snub the rank and file Republican members of the House by stating they may seek to pass gun control measures without a majority of support from House Republicans.

The stunning announcement came from House Majority Whip, U.S. Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who told CNN on Sunday, according to The Hill, that House Speaker John Boehner wants a major gun control bill to receive bipartisan approval even if it means the majority of House Republicans oppose it.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by Stardreamer

Except that wouldn't be personal accountability, that would be technically called a strawman.

Technically yes. But ultimately it does lead to accountability, because those people are elected by us. And if those who elect them wish for gun regulation to be passed, then it SHOULD be passed, and when it isn't people need to know who is responsible, and those responsible need to know that people know who they are...

As for your other post, I was referring to conservative voters, not politicians. There's not a single anti-gun conservative on this forum.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Ah, the usual "if we tighten gun control, it will become a criminal dystopia because criminals will just conjure guns through alchemy!" argument.

I am baffled. There are liberals who are against abortion - we even have a few on here. Why then are there NO conservatives that are against gun control? O.o

Possibly because on average liberals place more stock than conservatives in reasoned debate and a diversity of opinion. But now I'm off topic. And as a counterexample, Canadian Bush Jr toadie and speechwriter David Frum has let down his side by accepting equal marriage. Oh, and that senator too. See how I presented a counterexample?

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by Durango95

Bloomberg really thinks of himself like Kim Jong Un. He is such a megalomaniacal moron. He is one of the primary reasons I hate going to NYC. I have to because of my job but I hate it so much. It is about as much fun as going to any random third world shithole.

The thing that interests me about the gun debate is conspicuous lack of mandatory sentencing guidelines for criminals using firearms. I know there is the three strikes law but if you really want to do something have a one strike law with a mandatory sentence of 25 years for everyone without restriction and without parole. That would mean anyone from a juvenile to an elderly adult, including law enforcement personnel, would have to serve 25 years in prison for the misuse of a gun.

The current legislation is only directed at law abiding citizens. It does not address the criminal. Criminals, for the most part, are not going to obtain a gun in the normal way. Therefore registering guns won't work for this particular section of the public. Background checks may be of some use but the potential for abuse is ever present. I personally don't have a problem limiting magazine sizes. It is ridiculous how low some of the proposals are, though. I can see limiting access to a 100 round drum, but saying 7 or 10 rounds is just stupid.

The bottom line is if you think guns are dangerous things then don't buy one. Chances are that you will never have to encounter a gun in your lifetime. The are plenty of dangerous things that can and do kill people more frequently than do guns that remain unregulated or restricted.

I'm certain the mother of the baby shot in the face is right now sitting somewhere thinking "Most of all, we need mandatory sentencing guidelines right now. And not fewer guns through a massive disarmament buyback."

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by bankside

I'm certain the mother of the baby shot in the face is right now sitting somewhere thinking "Most of all, we need mandatory sentencing guidelines right now. And not fewer guns through a massive disarmament buyback."

You're psychic! How fabulous for you. I am too.

I think you're mistaken. Look at where she is. She might be saying something like that had she lived in your lalaland, wherever that is. She probably is thinking...gee if I had a gun too I would have killed that stupid fuck and his little companion as well and my baby would be alive instead of some worthless waste of space that not only has lived off the "gubment" his heretofore life but will continue to do so forever.

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by Durango95

You're psychic! How fabulous for you. I am too.

I think you're mistaken. Look at where she is. She might be saying something like that had she lived in your lalaland, wherever that is. She probably is thinking...gee if I had a gun too I would have killed that stupid fuck and his little companion as well and my baby would be alive instead of some worthless waste of space that not only has lived off the "gubment" his heretofore life but will continue to do so forever.

And there is the delusion on display.

You are kidding yourself if you think a shoot-out is the best way to keep a baby safe. It is astonishing that we'd even have to spell it out like that, but such is the delusion of your country.

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Ah, the usual "if we tighten gun control, it will become a criminal dystopia because criminals will just conjure guns through alchemy!" argument.

I am baffled. There are liberals who are against abortion - we even have a few on here. Why then are there NO conservatives that are against gun control? O.o

AGAINST abortion? I don't think anyone is FOR abortion.

What I'm against is the government sticking their nose into a woman's womb and up her vagina deciding for her what she has to do. That's what I'm against. The right wing republicans want to legislate what goes on in private citizen's bedrooms and doctor's offices and private lives.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Back in January, I was eviscerated because I commented that it seemed that America's discussion about guns had petered out post SandyHook.

Well here we are two months later.

How are the House and the Senate making out with the proposed legislation to put some controls on who can buy guns and what kind of guns and ammo clips they can buy?

The problem is deeper than gun control can address. I am all for realistic restrictions such as background checks for all purchasers. However, the issue is more access to mental health care. Both sides miss the boat on addressing the real issue of mental health care and subsequent restriction of weapons ownership by mental health officials.

Republicans refuse to admit national health care that WORKS would address most fo the mental health issues. They also balk using falsehoods like saying gun grabbers.

Democrats refuse to believe that a person of questionable mental health should have a right removed or be reported by their medical professional. SO they focus on more and more restrictive gun measures that serve no purpose in a country with ten times more guns than people.

So, until both parties actually approach the issue with a realistic fix, then nothing will occur. Pretty simple really.

Last edited by JayHawk; March 24th, 2013 at 02:50 PM.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

You are kidding yourself if you think a shoot-out is the best way to keep a baby safe. It is astonishing that we'd even have to spell it out like that, but such is the delusion of your country.

You are well acquainted with delusion I am quite sure.

We can keep doing this all day long. It isn't going to make any difference to either of us. You have your world view. I have my world view. You seem to think it is within your purview to take something away from me simply because you don't want me to have it. In that way you are very similar to the suspect in the referenced shooting. He thought it was within his purview to take something away from the child's mother simply because he did not want her to have it.

It now makes perfect sense that you and your ilk would like to see law abiding citizens disarmed and the criminals strengthened. You are not in favor of gun control. You are in favor of selective gun control.

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by Durango95

You are well acquainted with delusion I am quite sure.

We can keep doing this all day long. It isn't going to make any difference to either of us. You have your world view. I have my world view. You seem to think it is within your purview to take something away from me simply because you don't want me to have it. In that way you are very similar to the suspect in the referenced shooting. He thought it was within his purview to take something away from the child's mother simply because he did not want her to have it.

It now makes perfect sense that you and your ilk would like to see law abiding citizens disarmed and the criminals strengthened. You are not in favor of gun control. You are in favor of selective gun control.

No; it is within all of our purview to take a joint decision (like disarmament) when it will ensure our security far better than "every man for himself." Your 'Ilk" is causing the problem, and the shared falsehood that personal weaponry is reasonable and effective is responsible for too many deaths.

Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Originally Posted by bankside

No; it is within all of our purview to take a joint decision (like disarmament) when it will ensure our security far better than "every man for himself." Your 'Ilk" is causing the problem, and the shared falsehood that personal weaponry is reasonable and effective is responsible for too many deaths.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

I don't think gun ownership is a problem but the mental health care in this country as jayhawk said is downright appalling. Unless you have money, which most mentally "unhealthy" people don't, you are screwed in terms of care. That is something that desperately needs to be addressed but neither side wants to. The GOP don't [lol "compassionate conservative"] due to the money need to support them and Democrats have gone all "progressive" on health care and don't want acknowledge that people have mental health problems.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

False. They're just the ones getting more publicity because they're white. As has been stated before, if they were black, instant assumptions of "thuggery" arise. As if being black and shooting people instantly means you're a criminal.

Durango, how do other first world countries survive this dystopian horror of criminals armed to the teeth?

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

I think the real change has come in the public awareness and increasing support for stricter regulations.

I was pretty much at odds with other liberals on the subject for years...mostly neutral but slightly pro unrestricted gun ownership...until the last few months as listening to LaPierre and the NRA rank and file has convinced me that stricter regulation and background checks are important. LaPierre probably singlehandedly changed my mind.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz (our next president and vice-president) are planning a philibuster against background checks. After all, we need to kiss the ass of his royal highness, King Lapierre. I'm sure the parents of Newtown certainly will be thrilled and elated.

Question: Are 50 gallon drums of ammonium nitrate covered by the Second Amendment?

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Here's the Connecticut State Attorney's list of the 165 items that police recovered from the Lanza's home after the Sandy Hook shooting. Just your run of the mill family stuff, I guess. Remember that this stuff is in ADDITION to the weapons and ammo taken to the Sandy Hook Elementary school.

I note with interest that, despite Wayne LaPierre's claim that the Lanza's had no affiliation with the NRA, both Adam Lanza and his mother held NRA certificates, and the NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting.

KNIVES AND OTHER WEAPONS
Knives ranging in size from a pocket knife to a 28-inch samurai sword were also found.
Small blue folding knife
One metal bayonet
Knife with a 12 inch blade and a sheath
Wooden-handle knife with a 7.5 inch blade and a sheath
Wooden-handle knife with a 10 inch blade
Knife with a 5.5 inch blade and a sheath
Black-handled knife with a 7 inch blade and a sheath
Black rubber handled knife with a 9.5 inch blade and a sheath
White and brown handled knife with a 5 inch blade and sheath
Brown wood handled knife with a 10.25 inch blade
Panther brand brown handled folding knife with a 3.75 inch blade
Six-foot-ten inch wooden handled two-sided pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the opposite side
Samurai sword with a canvas wrapped handle and a 28 inch blade with a sheath
Samurai sword with a canvas wrapped handle and a 21-inch blade with a sheath
Samurai sword with a canvas wrapped handle and a 13-inch blade with a sheath

ELECTRONICS
Police recovered four cell phones, multiple computers and hard drives, data discs and three gaming systems from the house, among other items.

DOCUMENTS
Documents included gun-ownership manuals, the book "Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Extraordinary Mind of an Autistic Savant," the book "NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting" and separate NRA certificates naming Nancy and Adam Lanza. The NRA denies any connection between the Lanzas and the organisation.
Safariland holster paperwork
Handwritten note card regarding ammunition and magazines
Glock handgun manual
MD-20, 20 round shotgun magazine manual
MD Arms VPiug guide
Bushmaster XM15 and C15 instruction manual
Savage Arms bolt action rifle manual
Glock paperwork
Five paper targets
Cardboard target
Numerous paper targets
Receipts and emails documenting firearm/ammunition and shooting supplies
Sixteen day planner pads from nightstand
Verizon Wireless bills
Five books from master bedroom closet
Medical papers
Blue folder labelled "Guns," containing receipts, paperwork and other firearm-related paperwork
Verizon wireless bill dated 11/02/12 for Nancy Lanza
Printed e-mail conversations located in living room
Legal documents located in basket in living room
Paperwork titled, "Connecticut Gun Exchange, Glock 20SF 10mm FS 15 round FC," dated 12/21/11
School-related paperwork pertaining to Adam Lanza
Email re: Gunbroker.com dated 10/12/11
Printed photographs, misc. handwritten papers, and Sandy Hook report card for Adam Lanza
Book: "Look Me in the Eye: My Life With Asperger's"
Book: "Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Extraordinary Mind of an Autistic Savant"
Book: "NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting"
Handwritten papers, artwork and literature pertaining to Adam Lanza
School paperwork in the name of Adam Lanza
Insurance, medical, and other paperwork in name of Nancy Lanza, and college paperwork in name of Adam Lanza
Four papers with miscellaneous writings
Receipt for Timstar Shooting Range in Weatherford, Okla.
NRA certificate for Nancy Lanza
NRA certificate for Adam Lanza
Book: "Train Your Brain to Get Happy," with pages tabbed off
Seven journals and miscellaneous drawings by Adam Lanza
Journal authored by Ryan Lanza
Box of miscellaneous photographs of Adam Lanza and family
Holiday card from Nancy Lanza containing a Bank of America check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (firearm)
New York Times article from 2/18/08 of a school shooting in Northern Illinois University
Handwritten note pad with what appears to be to do lists for Nancy Lanza from December 14 through December 20
Miscellaneous documents pertaining to Nancy Lanza including a State of Connecticut Sale or Transfer of Firearm dated 10/09/10
Documents related to Adam Lanza's PSAT scores, bank account and high school paperwork
Box of personal writings from Adam Lanza's bedroom and personal memorabilia from an adjacent room
Box of books and papers from Adam Lanza's bedroom
Box of papers taken from common areas in Adam Lanza's house, including a storage room and Nancy Lanza's bedroom
Bag of papers from common areas in Adam Lanza's house
Miscellaneous vehicle paperwork
Handwritten notes regarding the addresses of local gun shops

OTHER EVIDENCE
Other evidence included gun accessories and a "digital image print of a child and various firearms."
Black leather handgun holster
Small plastic bag of screws and allen
Box for Battle Tested vest accessories
Leather Dual magazine holder
Plastic bag of misc. parts
Peltor ear plugs
One Uncle Mikes Sidekick nylon holster
"High Sierra" fanny pack
One cotton swab of BLS (blood like substance)
Blood-stained sheets and towel
Leightning L3 ear protection
Two sets of eye protection
Simmons binoculars
Bushnell sport view rifle scope, 4x32mm
Items related to school located in master bedroom
One Visa platinum debit card for Nancy Lanza
One digital image print of a child and various firearms.
Photographs with images of what appears to be a deceased human covered with plastic and blood
Box of military-style uniform from Adam Lanza's bedroom

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Dannel Malloy, the Governor of Connecticut, used Thursday’s release of the police documents (in post above) to renew his demand for tighter firearms regulations.

"We knew that these weapons were legally purchased under our current laws," said Mr Malloy. "I don’t know what more we can need to know before we take decisive action to prevent gun violence. The time to act is now."

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Back in January, I was eviscerated because I commented that it seemed that America's discussion about guns had petered out post SandyHook.

Well here we are two months later.

How are the House and the Senate making out with the proposed legislation to put some controls on who can buy guns and what kind of guns and ammo clips they can buy?

Which proves how different Canadians and Americans are.

Canadians deal with the shit, line item by line item as it's presented to them.

Americans (along with their elected "congresscritters") and the Corporate Media that isn't askered to remind us that it's "Britney Bitch," and that Honey Boo Boo will be squeezing her belly fat into a smiley face and farting out Easter Cookies on "non basic cable" Channel near you, or trying to explain why anyone of us should give a shit about a bunch of talentless Kardashians, have simultaneously convinced us that ANY Legislation is tantamount to Obama taking away our guns.

There are two things that Canadians and the rest of the World need to know about the American Electorate:

1. We all have a very short attention span.
2. We have an even shorter memory.

When was Sandy Hook?

Was that before Sandy Hook Elementary, or after Hurricane Sandy?

The latest "rumor" is over Gay Marriage.

While we were pissing off our Evangelical family members arguing over the Constitutional Benefits of Equality, apparently Obama was giving free Snickers Bars via Food Stamps to "illegal immigrants" who don't even speak English.

While Exxon/Mobile was pocketing $9,000 a day in tax payer funded "subsidies" (per taxpayer), and our Corporate Masters were shilling up the airwaves with....

So, our plates are a little full at the moment.

I've heard that it's "really pretty" where you live.

Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Standing among a group of mothers who have lost children to gun violence, President Obama on Thursday attempted to increase pressure on Congress to pass a package of gun-control bills.

"We need everybody to remember how we felt 100 days ago and make sure that what we said at that time wasn't just a bunch of platitudes — that we meant it," Obama said in remarks at the White House. The audience for his speech included family and friends of victims of the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

The president's comments came as the Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a gun control advocacy group led by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, and Organizing for Action, a pro-Obama group spun off from his presidential campaign, held dozens of events across the country to demand action on reducing gun violence.

Re: So How's that Conversation about Guns going?

Fox News contributors are nearing cerebral haemorrhage at Jim Carrey's recent contribution on FunnyOrDie.com : a satire of Charlton Heston and a country western song called "Cold Dead Hand". Surrounded by his backing band of John Lennon, Gandhi and Abraham Lincoln!