Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

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Tiller was a celebrity and icon of the politically correct side of a hot button issue. Given his worth was at least 10,000 times greater than the average person we should rage over his murder accordingly.

There is a saying that if you go looking for trouble youíll usually find it. Tiller was looking for trouble. The money too good for him to turn down. Of the slaughter house the world is, his is about at the bottom of murders that would bother me. At least he died quickly. Many people donít have it so good when death comes to them as it comes to everyone. I donít see why his life was worth any more or less than anyone else. But thatís now most people see it. Most people see it that there are some people who matter and everyone else is irrelevant nobodies.

Regardless of legalities or stance on abortion, I canít envision Tiller as a good hearted person. Late term abortions are done usually by either cutting the fetus apart inside the womb and sucking the pieces out or pulling the fetus out feet first and then sucking out the brain so the head collapses assuring death before delivery. Anyone who does that a few thousand times has the emotions of a Nazi death camp doctor regardless of legality or morality of abortion.

Setting aside the question of whether abortion is murder or not, ethical or unethical, it is the act of killing. He was in the killing business. Made millions off it. So heís not someone invoking my sympathy for his death even if by murder. He was stupid to not think someone is going to come after him or to think other people somehow had a duty to protect him from his enemies he created.

This is not to minimize murder. Rather he's way, way down my cry about it list.

So are we coming now full circle to what was discussed at the front of this thread?

Roeder is a criminal because he got caught. Tiller is not a criminal because he did not get caught.

These arguments always go in circles. It's why I tend to avoid certain sections of the board(abortion, WOT, ME).

You are making assumptions. Tiller might have just not broken the law. So far, the only evidence that he has in fact broke the law is a little hearsay and a lot of angry accusations without any proof or real evidence.

Tiller might have just not broken the law. So far, the only evidence that he has in fact broke the law is a little hearsay and a lot of angry accusations without any proof or real evidence.

If Tiller in fact broke the law, there is a methodology in place to address that law-breaking.

If people disapprove of abortion, this is a representative democracy. They should work to address this issue at the state and local level with their elected representatives.

There is simply no good reason for this sort of lawless, vigilante-style "justice."

Frankly, there is no difference between those who cheerlead this behavior (or at the least, withhold their condemnation and pretend as if it is somehow justified), and those who do celebrate bombings directed at U.S. service personnel in the middle east.

In both cases, you are talking about individuals who feel that their moral crusades are so important and significant that they trump the rights and voices of everyone else in society.

I'll give ya thanks on this one, however, I would also include the terrorists that kill them or blow their clinics to smithereens. May the devil stick a pitch fork up their crappers too. Neither are better than the other IMO.

Captian are you anti-abortion on the belief that abortion is nothing more than the legal killing human babies in the womb?

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

If Tiller in fact broke the law, there is a methodology in place to address that law-breaking.

If people disapprove of abortion, this is a representative democracy. They should work to address this issue at the state and local level with their elected representatives.

There is simply no good reason for this sort of lawless, vigilante-style "justice."

Frankly, there is no difference between those who cheerlead this behavior (or at the least, withhold their condemnation and pretend as if it is somehow justified), and those who do celebrate bombings directed at U.S. service personnel in the middle east.

In both cases, you are talking about individuals who feel that their moral crusades are so important and significant that they trump the rights and voices of everyone else in society.

Bull****.

There is a sadly large element within the anti-abortion movement that does use vigilantism to make their points. Harassment and threats are a major portion of working at an abortion clinic.

This is a bias, obviously from the Brussels broadcasting corporation on this subject, but it states:
He has acknowledged performing abortions on some late-term patients with healthy foetuses.

Reportedly among them were girls as young as 10, rape victims, alcoholics, drug addicts, and women who were suicidal or depressed.

It is not conclusive and does not justify his killing but he does not look like a good man to me. If he was doing late-term abortions when the mother is in great danger then he is a monster and he was certainly no help to the legal abortion cause.

"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke