Lawful Gun Owner Plans Aurora-Type Attack - Arrested

A 20-year-old man is in jail in southwest Missouri on Friday on charges he planned a mass shooting at a theatre during the showing Sunday of the new movie Twilight.

Blaec Lammers told police in Bolivar, Mo., that he bought two assault rifles and 400 rounds of ammunition with the intent of carrying out a shooting that would be similar to one that killed 12 people and wounded 58 during a Batman movie premier in Aurora, Colorado, last July.

Police announced Lammersí arrest on Friday. He was arrested Thursday and charged in state court with making a terrorist threat, armed criminal action and first degree assault, records show. He is being held on $500,000 bond.

Lammersí mother alerted police on Thursday that her son and bought weapons similar to those suspect James Holmes allegedly used in the Aurora shooting, Bolivar police detective Dustin Ross said in a sworn statement to the court.

The biased spin doctors over at TTAG are all excited about the fantasy that young Mr. Lammars was heading to the theater BECAUSE it was a gun free zone and he'd be able to kill people like sitting ducks.

Nothing could be further from the truth. He himself admitted the reason, it was to imitate the Aurora Colorado shooter, ]
The real story here is that someone as sick as this guy was able to legally buy guns. He was a lawful gun owner, as was Holmes, who was so unfit to own them safely that the most basic examination into his mental health might have been able to raise red flags.

Licensing of gun owners, which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime.

1. Throw out all current gun regulations & BAN ALL LEGAL GUNS. Then banning illegal ones will be easy.

It is quite simple. Start the whole gun regulations concept over

ANY GUN OUTSIDE A PRIVATE HOME SHOULD BE BANNED AND A JAIL SENTENCE IF ANYONE IS FOUND CARRYING OUTSIDE THE HOME.

The 2nd does NOT apply outside the home, even if one believes the wrongly interpreted regular person allowed to have a gun to protect ONES HOME.

It is the legal gun that stops illegal guns from being found and removed.

And in almost all incidents of gun violence, THE GUN WAS LEGAL.

(and of course, I would ban bullets and gun dealers and gun shows.
Let the collectors collect.
Let the gallery shooters shoot in galleries (like mini golf, renting a gun and when leaving, leaving the gun)
Let the hunters hunt with bow and arrow like the Native Americans did for centuries.

etc.

MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS HARMED BY SOME SUPPOSED WRONG READING OF #2.
(AND #2 IS WHAT IT IS.)

10. And of course you would allow GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to legally carry guns outside

11. We're going to need a demonstration

You can show us how it's done.

We could all chip in. You get a bow and arrows, sleeping bag, canteen, machete, fishing line and hooks...

You start at Chilchukabena Lake in the Denali National Park, bag a bear and bring it to Anchorage. When you manage to show us the bear, we sign a petition to bring your idea before the House and Senate.

I'd wait til Spring though, it's getting a bit brisk. How many arrows would you like?

17. the gun won't get in the perimeter with already there proper security

only a criminal fears an eye in the sky or an unmanned satellite able to spot instantly a
gun and bullets

your soundbytes from the $million dollar suits in the NRA are laughable, in that you regurgitate the soundbytes time and again

and the paranoia is amazing."they are after me" "they are animals"
such bullshit

the only fear is in the fear itself

free oneself of having to hold your piece, and forever enjoy the peace

FOr all we know, Mr. Martin would have found the cure for Ebola, but Zimmerman shot him in cold blood coward style dead, by the mass paranoia a gun brings upon oneself.
Mr. Martin is up in heaven now. Hopefully Zimmy will be forever in hell.

19. Really? That's your plan?

24/7 aerial surveillance of the entire country in detail?

We're miles away from any technology like that, and even if we weren't, it'd be a nightmare to live under continuous state scrutiny. I like the 4th Amendment, too. I guess you and Meek Mayor Mike share a disregard for that'n.

20. I get frisked for 30 years at Madison Square garden. Don't like it? Don't go. I feel safe on airline

and don't mind someone scanning me.
I am not paranoid.
Long as the searches are for everyone and not just minorities like cops normally do as so many are taught racist techniques by the police chiefs (and we know the police has more power than the mayor in NY at least.)

24. I don't go to Madison Square Garden, so that's not an issue

That's voluntary, and they can do whatever they like for security. I object to being subjected to continuous and intrusive aerial surveillance by the government from birth to death, which seems to be your solution to crime.

27. but they are not looking at you either, unless you give them cause to. Do you think they care?

28. The kind of surveillance you want

will be abused by the PTB, always has, always will. I find your advocacy of more govt. control very disturbing and unsettling. Why would you want more invasive surveillance when the govt. has been caught time and again abusing that power?

31. Cops are not there to make you safe

My job is not to protect the individual citizen unless in my custody, my job is to protect the general public, you are responsible for your own personal safety.
A bad Bush does what??????
Your defense of more surveillance, support of the Patriot Act tells me all I need to know about you. Your constantly saying that armed citizens denies your right to peacefully assemble is complete bullshit, and calling me a fraidy cat, that's funny considering that you're the one who has an inordinate fear of an inanimate object.

36. People with a gun won't kill in mass numbers?

At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.

The Akihabara massacre (秋葉原通り魔事件 Akihabara Tōrima Jiken?, lit. "Akihabara random attacker incident") was an incident of mass murder that took place on Sunday, June 8, 2008, in the Akihabara shopping quarter for electronics, video games and comics in Sotokanda, Chiyoda, Tokyo, Japan.

At 12:33 p.m. JST, a man hit a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife), killing four people and injuring eight.

Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department arrested Tomohiro Katō (加藤 智大 Katō Tomohiro?), 25, on suspicion of attempted murder. The suspect, dressed then in a black T-shirt with a jacket and off-white trousers, was a resident of Susono, Shizuoka. He was held at the Manseibashi Police Station. Two days later on June 10, he was sent to the Tokyo District Public Prosecutor's Office. He was later re-arrested by the police on June 20 on suspicion of murder. During the trial, prosecutors sought the death penalty, and the Tokyo District Court agreed, sentencing Kato to death.

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.

On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping, Fujian province; The attack was widely reported in Chinese media , sparking fears of copycat crimes. Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.

April 2010

Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province, in Leizhou, Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher. Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou; he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June. On April 29 in Taixing, Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard; most of the Taixing students were 4 years old. On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang, Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.

May 2010

An attacker named Wu Huanming , 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010; early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks. The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school, Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.

On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology, a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am; after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously. The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.

August 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.

August 2011

Eight children, all aged four or five, were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.

September 2011

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi, Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe. Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived. The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. ó Itís an audiotape the New York Police Department hoped you would never hear.

A building superintendent at an apartment complex just off the Rutgers University campus called the New Brunswick Police 911 line in June 2009. He said his staff had been conducting a routine inspection and came across something suspicious...

... The caller, Salil Sheth, had stumbled upon one of the NYPDís biggest secrets: a safe house, a place where undercover officers working well outside the departmentís jurisdiction could lie low and coordinate surveillance. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond. Detectives infiltrated mosques, eavesdropped in cafes and kept tabs on Muslim student groups, including at Rutgers.

The NYPD kept files on innocent sermons, recorded the names of political organizers in police documents and built databases of where Muslims lived and shopped, even where they were likely to gather to watch sports. Out-of-state operations, like the one in New Brunswick, were one aspect of this larger intelligence-gathering effort. The Associated Press previously described the discovery of the NYPD inside the New Jersey apartment, but police now have released the tape of the 911 call and other materials after a legal fight...

People like you remind me of William Roper in Robert Bolt's A Man For All Seasons:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

37. What you're advocating is that they SHOULD

be looking at me. Continuous aerial surveillance, every time I go outside. Or inside, if they have the technology to spy on me there, too. My movements should be known to the government, and they should be able to see at a glance if I'm at a strip club, anti-war demonstration, or a gun shop. I'm not so ready to accept the notion that government is always, and will perpetually be, trustworthy.

40. You do realize they already are. They don't care

Do you want the public to be safe? Or 3000 people to die in one minute like on 9-11?
Or dozens like in some of these incidents that occur more and more

I would rather be safe than dead.

(and if the FBI wanted to watch you in a gun shop, they would already be doing so.)

It is like going to a wellness visit to the doctor but saying why go, you don't want the flu shot, then you get the flu.
I would rather get the vaccine than the flu.

and again, every single thing I buy is on a credit card. And because my store offers discounts, I use my stores card, so they know everything I purchase.
My e-z pass gets me through the tunnel quicker and cheaper.

and its my guess that any car that does not have an e-z pass is also tracked and noted

30. What security will stop people carrying in public?

32. Hell

I've asked him several times how any law will stop the vicious animals who will carry guns no matter what laws are passed and I either get no answer or a post so convulted, that I can't make heads nor tails of what he's saying.

47. Actually, it would make more sense if the detectors were placed at the door

to your cell home, so that the door wouldn't open if you were carrying forbidden items. Not just a metal detector of course - I'm sure an automated blood-test, breathalyzer, and robotic frisker/cavity-searcher could be devised. No windows or alternative exits would be permitted, and those members of society who don't have homes in which to be imprisoned would naturally be rounded up and placed in prison. All blunt and sharp objects would be removed from public spaces, and, as a final safety measure, all citizens would be required to wear one-piece fleece jumpsuits with attached footy-socks and mittens. GPS monitors sewn in, natch! I really don't see what's so difficult about this...

2. No no no you're both not doing enough

Neither of you go far enough. We need to bring in the UN and preform a door to door search anyone found with a weapon gets shot on sight. If you decide to turn in your death machines you will be enrolled at a treatment facility where you will be taught how things work in the real world. Only then can we be sure that the gun problem has been eliminated.

18. Fascism used to be popular in Italy.

22. The natural evolution...

...of all sorts of fascist, tyrannical, control based philosophies is freedom. The natural state of man is freedom. The essential link between one's own choices and efforts and their reward is the basis for productivity.

In freedom the number of those willing to help the victim, donate to the less fortunate and rescue the imperiled will always be greater than the number wanting to burden, tax and control the free people.

69. Well then you accidentally the whole thing

23. Hey Mikey, May I make a suggestion?

Please watch this film and help us install A National Health Care System that is not contingent on Employment. Support Mental Health Awareness and Help To Remove The Stigma of Depression and PTSD. Thank you.

We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011)
Kevin's mother struggles to love her strange child, despite the increasingly vicious things he says and does as he grows up. But Kevin is just getting started, and his final act will be beyond anything anyone imagined.
Eva Khatchadourian is trying to piece together her life following the "incident". Once a successful travel writer, she is forced to take whatever job comes her way, which of late is as a clerk in a travel agency. She lives a solitary life as people who know about her situation openly shun her, even to the point of violent actions toward her. She, in turn, fosters that solitary life because of the incident, the aftermath of which has turned her into a meek and scared woman. That incident involved her son Kevin Khatchadourian, who is now approaching his eighteenth birthday. Eva and Kevin have always had a troubled relationship, even when he was an infant. Whatever troubles he saw, Franklin, Eva's complacent husband, just attributed it to Kevin being a typical boy. The incident may be seen by both Kevin and Eva as his ultimate act in defiance against his mother.

45. Only if your idea of fun is a guy screaming insults in your face...

... then alerting on anyone that confronts him with actual facts and counting on a jury of "His" Peers to hide Gungeon threads and eventually ban as many RKBA supporters as they can. In all his time here I can't recall a single time when he ever provided a single link to support the "facts" he spewed as "his opinion".

If I want a chuckle I can always go up to Meta and see him stretching any thread, and a lot that aren't, gun related for several hundred posts with his drivel and lies.

His only objective is to lie as much as he needs to to piss people off and into saying something that will get them banned.

He's happy, after all, he has his complete collection of photos of Tea Bagger asses with guns in coffee shops and fields.

56. I'm not willing to make that tradeoff.

, which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime.

Events like this are tragic, but thankfully rare.

I'm not willing to have to submit to mental health background checks and may issue policies to try and prevent them. That's too much inconvenience on too many people because of the actions of too few.

63. You are, again, violating DU's (stated) copyright policy

and the rights of the author and publisher of the article you are stealing from. I will continue finding and informing the editors of those services or publications you steal from until DU decides to get serious about copyright infringement.