You know what, I looked that verse and the surrounding verses up in my Bible and slavery is NOT what he is talking about.

The verses of Ephesians state how children should treat their parents, how wives should treat their husbands (and vice versa), and how slaves should treat their masters. Pretending it's something else, or that it no longer applies, won't make it go away - the Bible has been filled with hatred and immorality.

Luckily, most people can access a Bible, so no one needs to take my word for it.

The verses of [FONT=&] the Bible has been filled with hatred and immorality.

I was going to let it go, but I'm not letting this lie go.

Pretending? I'm not pretending. Heck, do you even know how to read a Bible? Have you ever even read the whole New Testament?

If the Bible is "filled" with hatred and immorality, then what does that make this world? People killing, robbing, raping, pillaging, etc. You can't turn on the news without seeing something about how selfish this world is.

Jesus told people not only to love their friends, but love their ENEMIES, but yet it's the Bible that's evil and immoral.

If this is how a discussion should go, bashing someone's else belief and religion, then discussions are not for me. I thought discussions were talking about what's at hand, not bashing religions and someone's beliefs.

Black Wolf, get over yourself. What he's stating is a completely legitimate point: the Bible is filled with hatred and immorality. You as Christian have to admit this, or you're sinning by lying. The Bible does talk of and condone rape, slavery, sexism, racism, and murder. It's pretty damn evil overall.

Pretending? I'm not pretending. Heck, do you even know how to read a Bible? Have you ever even read the whole New Testament?

I purchased the King James Version, which I've read in its entirety. Many actual Christians haven't read their Bible though, strangely enough.

Originally Posted by The Black Wolf

If the Bible is "filled" with hatred and immorality, then what does that make this world? People killing, robbing, raping, pillaging, etc. You can't turn on the news without seeing something about how selfish this world is.

Most people in this world are religious, with Christianity having the largest number of followers. Given that 'killing, raping, pillaging' all feature in the Bible, perhaps you're directing your question to the wrong person. And no, I am not suggesting all religious people cause such things, I am merely highlighting the absurdity of your statement, because the Bible is not a panacea for the world's problems.

Originally Posted by The Black Wolf

Jesus told people not only to love their friends, but love their ENEMIES, but yet it's the Bible that's evil and immoral.

There are nice parts in the Bible, particularly with Jesus - that is indisputable. However, there are many immoral parts that preach hatred, too.

Originally Posted by The Black Wolf

If this is how a discussion should go, bashing someone's else belief and religion, then discussions are not for me. I thought discussions were talking about what's at hand, not bashing religions and someone's beliefs.

It's not the Bible that is immoral and hateful.

Have you written essays in academic subjects such as history, for example? Because criticism is a major part of any meaningful discussion. All ideas must be criticised to test their worth, and when someone enters defensive mode by claiming that valid concerns and questions are 'bashing', it's similar to an admittance that the idea lacks validity. Just like every other idea, religion is not exempt from criticism, and you came to this topic stating religion as the source of your opinion on $#@!sexuality/incest. If you weren't prepared for a discussion on that, you shouldn't have brought it up.

Black Wolf, get over yourself. What he's stating is a completely legitimate point: the Bible is filled with hatred and immorality. You as Christian have to admit this, or you're sinning by lying. The Bible does talk of and condone rape, slavery, sexism, racism, and murder. It's pretty damn evil overall.

I'm not lying and I'm not sinning just because I won't give into your lies.

Oh my gosh, you guys really do think the Bible is evil. Well I'm going to let you think that, I'm NOT going to force my beliefs on you like you're forcing yours on me. You just won't let it go and let the thread get back on track.

I purchased the King James Version, which I've read in its entirety. Many actual Christians haven't read their Bible though, strangely enough.

Most people in this world are religious, with Christianity having the largest number of followers. Given that 'killing, raping, pillaging' all feature in the Bible, perhaps you're directing your question to the wrong person. And no, I am not suggesting all religious people cause such things, I am merely highlighting the absurdity of your statement, because the Bible is not a panacea for the world's problems.

There are nice parts in the Bible, particularly with Jesus - that is indisputable. However, there are many immoral parts that preach hatred, too.

Have you written essays in academic subjects such as history, for example? Because criticism is a major part of any meaningful discussion. All ideas must be criticised to test their worth, and when someone enters defensive mode by claiming that valid concerns and questions are 'bashing', it's similar to an admittance that the idea lacks validity. Just like every other idea, religion is not exempt from criticism, and you came to this topic stating religion as the source of your opinion on $#@!sexuality/incest. If you weren't prepared for a discussion on that, you shouldn't have brought it up.

That's your belief and what you choose to believe. You already stated it. Let the thread get back on topic.

You are right, I should not have brought religion into the thread, even though all I did was state my belief. Next time I won't do that. I thought I could state what I believed without having my beliefs bashed, even though that's all I did was state my belief.

I didn't bash anyone about their belief or try to force my beliefs on someone.

To me, your comment seemed as if you thought there was a note-worthy difference between $#@! Sapiens and $#@! Sapiens Sapiens (I thought you were maybe being playfully sarcastic). Which is why I brought it up.

They're basically the same thing. It's like saying there's a difference between sharks and gray whites. What does that even mean? Gray whites are sharks. In fact the difference for humans is even smaller as we're the only existing subspecies for $#@! Sapiens. The difference is only a very technical one for the intent of classification.

Originally Posted by The Black Wolf

I'm not lying and I'm not sinning just because I won't give into your lies.

How am I (or Valefor) lying?

Originally Posted by The Black Wolf

Oh my gosh, you guys really do think the Bible is evil. Well I'm going to let you think that, I'm NOT going to force my beliefs on you like you're forcing yours on me. You just won't let it go and let the thread get back on track.

Certain aspects of the Bible are rather cruel and evil, but that's not the point here. Telling you the reality of things isn't forcing our belief on you. The choice of the religious to play victim whenever their specific beliefs is challenged in any way is very pathetic. Grow up.

They're basically the same thing. It's like saying there's a difference between sharks and gray whites. What does that even mean? Gray whites are sharks. In fact the difference for humans is even smaller as we're the only existing subspecies for $#@! Sapiens. The difference is only a very technical one for the intent of classification.

Neanderthals aren't necessarily a subspecies of $#@! Sapiens. It is believed that Neanderthals might've been right beside H. Sapiens, not part of it. At least there's a split decision between scientists. Both are $#@!.

H. Sapiens existed more than 100,000 years ago.

It's a minor difference in writing but enough of a difference that it shouldn't be thrown around because it's inaccurate. I've heard people say this before, which makes me think there's some sort of a misunderstanding.

Neanderthals aren't necessarily a subspecies of $#@! Sapiens. It is believed that Neanderthals might've been right beside H. Sapiens, not part of it. At least there's a split decision between scientists. Both are $#@!.

Well, the debate is over if $#@! Sapiens were capable of breeding with Neanderthals in the past. It's not clear yet, but there are scientific reports concerning this stating that there is evidence for it. The evidence is based on the fact that genetics traced outside of Africa show higher consistency with Neanderthal genetics. The apposing argument is that the relationship is simply from our common ancestor, but the fact that this rise is in areas where Neanderthals were common is worth considering. If the two were capable of breeding then anthropologist would probably need to rework their current model of human evolution. Though even scientists have issue defining species exactly as the whole process is such a continuum.

Originally Posted by Sufi

It's a minor difference in writing but enough of a difference that it shouldn't be thrown around because it's inaccurate. I've heard people say this before, which makes me think there's some sort of a misunderstanding.

The distinction really is just on paper, though. That's all I'm saying. It's perfectly fine to just say we're $#@! Sapiens because it is our species.

Well, the debate is over if $#@! Sapiens were capable of breeding with Neanderthals in the past. It's not clear yet, but there are scientific reports concerning this stating that there is evidence for it. The evidence is based on the fact that genetics traced outside of Africa show higher consistency with Neanderthal genetics. The apposing argument is that the relationship is simply from our common ancestor, but the fact that this rise is in areas where Neanderthals were common is worth considering. If the two were capable of breeding then anthropologist would probably need to rework their current model of human evolution. Though even scientists have issue defining species exactly as the whole process is such a continuum.

Yeah... the whole thing is very confusing. I remember in 7th grade it was absolute fact that we came from Neanderthals... and then not too soon after... it was discovered that we lived among them. Then they thought we were closer to chimps than Neanderthals... and then they said there were many different subspecies living among each other... with a theory that current man killed off all other subspecies... and now this. >_>

Well, the debate is over if $#@! Sapiens were capable of breeding with Neanderthals in the past. It's not clear yet, but there are scientific reports concerning this stating that there is evidence for it. The evidence is based on the fact that genetics traced outside of Africa show higher consistency with Neanderthal genetics. The apposing argument is that the relationship is simply from our common ancestor, but the fact that this rise is in areas where Neanderthals were common is worth considering. If the two were capable of breeding then anthropologist would probably need to rework their current model of human evolution. Though even scientists have issue defining species exactly as the whole process is such a continuum.

Actually from what I read, they did exist together but far apart and there were no signs of them mating together, there was no evidence of interbreeding.

The distinction really is just on paper, though. That's all I'm saying. It's perfectly fine to just say we're $#@! Sapiens because it is our species.

I hope I can share my insight with everyone here, on the aspect of (Christian) religion. Here is a background on my beliefs; I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, and now for the twist. I believe MAN (human) wrote the Bible reflecting about THEIR laws and frame of reference. For or you Christians out there, please here this; The old Testament is essential a book of Rules, people, and general thoughts of the people (of that time). If you didn't know, the old Testament is the Torah, AKA the Jewish faith (the people that believe Jesus was not their Messiah). So As a Christian, if you are arguing your point, please note that you are referencing the Jewish faith.

Now I also believe in EVOLUTION, shocked? Well Science makes sense, but also a Creator makes sense, therefor couldn't our creator of used EVOLUTION to create everything? Why not? Genesis tells us God made everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th. However, God also created time, and therefore it is undetermined if a day (to God) is 24 hours to us, or 89760576057 billion years. All I am saying is that how can you believe God is limitless, but you put limits and regulations on how everything was made.

And finally, on topic; Jesus taught us a valuable lesson, to try and live as he did. Did Jesus ever persecute any one, did he tell any one they were damned to hell? No, and if you plan on challenging me please link the scripture and I will happily kill myself if you are right. Jesus did quite the opposite actually. He had dinner with Zacheious (the tax collector, which was considered a job for evil people) and he spent his time with a prostitute to understand how and why she lived like that. Jesus was a great man who spoke only of love for others and did not condone violence or hatred. (Which is why when he was captured and one of his disciples cut off the Roman soldiers ear, Jesus re-attached it.) ....Well I made my point, if you have further questions about my beliefs and wish to speak with some one who believes in Jesus and God, and still thinks Gays are loved by Jesus, I am here to listen.

If i went out and brought a knife, i could use it for food preperation and make a nice bologonase.

Then somehow using this blokes logic, i could just as easily run outside and start stabbing people.

So no...

Also lol at all the Derailing. started off with someone being confused about some radio biggotry and now its all science, religion and creationism. Atleast nobody has mentioned the events of the 1940's... that i know of...

Sorry but the content of the OP is absolutely retarded..seriously $#@!sexuality and incest are the same thing? What will they think of next. Though I wouldn't expect much better from a right wing radio host.

Sorry but the content of the OP is absolutely retarded..seriously $#@!sexuality and incest are the same thing? What will they think of next. Though I wouldn't expect much better from a right wing radio host.

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