Acceleration Radio: Ask L.A. Night!

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Prayer Need!

L.A., Kent Brashear here. Tuesday morning I am having major surgery on my right eye and I am asking people to pray for me, that all goes well and to shortening my healing time. I had it done to my left eye a few years ago and it didn’t go too well and I was blind in that eye for at least four months. All I could see was light and colors. It had to be done over 12 days later and now I don’t see too much better. A wrinkle formed on the new cornea.

But, as frightened as I am, I need to have it done. If you have a prayer please ask others to join with you. I know this may seem a bit out of the ordinary but I believe in prayer.

Over the weekend we had some people donate to the Chitzen Itza trip! Thanks to you all! We are about $1200. short of our goal! Thanks to all who contributed! I won’t go alone on this trip! L.A.

L. A. Marzulli will be speaking: “Exploring the meaning and relevance of two myths and their relevance in this time of transition in 2012; the stories of the “watcher gods” in the first century text, “The Gospel of Enoch”, and the prophecy of the return of Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent-god of the Aztecs. We will be examining correlations between these two in light of our contemporary times.”

127 Responses to “Acceleration Radio: Ask L.A. Night!”

Elainesaid

the article says: “And then I realized Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott, Alice Paul, Sojourner Truth, you name it, they were all in that chair, they were,” said Pelosi. “More than I named and I could hear them say: ‘At last we have a seat at the table.’ And then they were gone.”
It does not matter who crazy Nancy thinks the entities that were in her chair (body?) with her…..I think they may as well have said, “we are legion” and it explains a lot that she welcomed them into her!

Elainesaid

latenightlisasaid

And if that isn’t proof demons/seducing spirits aren’t working people behind the scenes in our Govt?! This experience appeals to her pride so she loves to tell about it. No doubt it occured but no testing of the spirits either.

binnysaid

Maybe that gives us an insight (as if we didn’t already know) exactly how the “mingled” seed transformation is happening that Daniel’s vision spoke of. In the later days the iron would be mingled with clay. Maybe the clay-like satanic spirits are invading people whose minds are aligned towards his desires (power, anger, to be like God). In the blink of an eye, they become “walk-ins.” Touched. Hybrids. Nephilm-like.

Personally I think this mass transformation has occurred on our watch in a massive way. I think we’ve seen many if not most politicians become “touched.” I think many corporate minds have. I think most people in power (be that church, political, business) have been “touched.” I think Satan has an amazing number of “troops” on the ground right now, ready to move out in a moment’s notice.

It could be many levels Binny. I tend to see “Iron mixed with clay” as this modern marvel called “drones.” We see that is a machine and a man that make them move. In the past a man wore his armor and held his weapon. Now the weapon is free and the armor is free of the man, but in control by the man from far away. It is iron mixed with clay. A distinction between the two yet functioning as one. Just a thought.

I see the Iron and clay as ‘human cultures and races and creeds’ combining together “multiculturalism” yet never having unification..

I think that i am keeping the prophecy in proper context.. seeing that the interpretation of the statue in the dream represents Human civilisation beginning with the historical Head empire of Nebuchadnezzar culminating in the present multicultural ecumenical new world order of the feet..

john b

Lindasaid

Just reading 9:54 EDT but praying for God to direct the surgeon, complete recovery as needed! :) Jesus is our surgeon/intercessor to our Father!! Good Hands to be in! Praying for help for your other eye also :)

windsofchangesaid

Hey Kirk~ you need your own blog brother…or do you already?Sounds like we may have similar backgrounds.Thanks for the cleansing,refreshing, and restoring watering of the Word today!I still struggle over many of the issues/current events/end time happenings we are facing and so in our faces these days.At times I grieve that not only so many of our brethren do not know, but they do not want to .I get it.I understand they are just struggling to get by and have been shut down by the church and life in general.It’s going to take a super natural infusion,an impartation and Holy Spirit move of true Repentance to get us shining like the Glorious Church that Jesus is coming for!

Like the Moravians that m.mentor comments on…I have dreamed of that here where I live.No one is interested…we so need one another …true Biblical Unity~the Body jointly fit together selah…
I take every day one at a time and for now that’s all I can do.
Thanks for all the comments and encouragement everyone!

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

Today, I have been up since 4:30 am and just “ripping” in The Word !!!
I have been “ravenous” …Hungry & Thirsty….CAN’T GET ENOUGH !!!

Hey, like you and everyone else on this little rock … floating through space…
and HANGING ON NOTHING…WE ALL NEED JESUS !!!

WE ALL NEED TO KNOW OUR HEAVENLY FATHER BETTER.

WE ALL NEED TO GROW MORE DEPENDENT on THE HOLY SPIRIT.

WE ARE AS CLOSE TO GOD AS WE CHOOSE TO BE … JAMES 4:8

I agree with your post. NOT EASY seeing “POWERLESS” believers
….very little if any REPENTANCE in the CHURCH….small numbers saved.

I do hear good things are happening in the muslim world…many are
having dreams of JESUS and getting Born-Again !!!

That is a HUGE prayer of mine …for Syrians and the whole Mid – East
to get saved before “Sudden Destruction” comes as it says in the Word.
DAMASCUS will be a ruinous heap VERY SOON….Isaiah 17:1

Many people in America have NOT a clue what is coming!!!

Like LA constantly tells us all in pure sarcasm….”How about American Idol?”
And that is many people’s mindset….
…………………….NOT on “things above” Colossians 3:1-4.

As to blogging, I am just in some kind of “zone” today. I can’t type very fast
like many here, but I see it as a GREAT way to get the WORD out…
encourage a few people….and deal with ALOT of ignorance in The CHURCH.

I have that TEACHING part of me that just comes out.

Keep your EYES ON JESUS…stuff is going to happen, & yes…it’s a bummer!

But John 14:29 says,
Now I have told you before it happens,
so that when it happens, you may believe.

About ten days ago Holly Deyo had John Moore’s show on Stan Deyo. com about coastal evacuations. On the show John did not state the reason for the evacuations other than military personnel were being told they were going to evacuate shortly and that they had to sign non-disclosures.

Dr Deagle had John Moore on his August 3rd show regarding the evacuations.

John Moore said his military source recently told him that an Incoming object “DA 14″ an asteroid is expected to hit between 8/17 and 9/26 which will cause the oceans to temporarily come out of their basins. John said his military source told him that safe distances were 7 miles inland, and 800 ft. above sea level.

He also said that Norfolk and Fort Bragg were already in evacuation mode. He went as far as saying that ships have already left Norfolk.

I’ve searched everywhere and I have found no news of any evacuations.

I know its just another unproven, cant be vetted military conspiracy theory but there sure seems to be a lot of them lately and there is a lot of military movement with in the states as I pointed out yesterday with the tank movements in California.

I’m curious if anyone else has heard anything about military evacuations?

Elainesaid

No Richard but I just copied this from my facebook page. The local marina always posts ships coming in and out of Manistee where I live but never have I seen a notice of a warship, let alone an unidentified U.S. warship. Here is the post:

Manistee Municipal Marina
The Frigate USS DeWert is currently west of Manistee headed either to Chicago or Milwaukee in the company of a yet to be identified United States Warship.

USS De Wert (FFG-45), an Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate, is a ship of the United States Navy named for Hospitalman Richard De Wert (1931–1951). De Wert was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for his heroism while serving with the 7th Marines during the Korean War.

De Wert was laid down on 14 June 1982 by the Bath Iron Works, in Bath, Maine; launched on 18 December 1982; and commissioned on 19 November 1983.

Juliesaid

I realize that my “source” is deceptive BUT…the fallen ones are channeling the same information on flooding, saying they are going to put up a crystal seawall in the next few months on Florida’s east coast to protect us (ha). Coincidentally they are enclosing the Bermuda Triangle at the same time. Now granted, this means that disclosure would have to happen very soon. Also I have read that there is a portal in the Bermuda Triangle so who knows what the fallen ones are trying to unleash. Just passing that interesting tidbit along.

DHS and US Military Make Final Preparations Before Announcing Martial Law?

Informants and military personnel are coming forth anonymously to confirm that martial law “is right around the corner.” However, right now we are under a silent martial law and citizens are reporting strange and unexplainable activity from the US armed forces and multiple federal agencies that point to a covert preparatory operation to completely lock down America in the very near future.

Sources from multiple locations across the nation have independently confirmed that the US military are repositioning soldiers in conjunction with allied foreign troops in the initial stages of martial law.

The US military are secretly moving massive amounts of “equipment” across the country consistently for more than a year. In Phoenix, Arizona, tractor-trailers transporting tanks on public highways have been spotted. One witness stated that he saw these flatbeds multiple times in the month of June. Eye witness reports are coming primarily from the northern and southern Border States.

Forested areas in states like Montana, Missouri and Arkansas are being closed to the public while military activity is being witnessed by locals. Those commercially contracted civilians working in these areas are allocated parallel shifts and compartmentalized projects to provide for an intelligence controlled operation.

One informant relayed an incident where he was detained on a forest road by unidentified “paramilitary” officials that seized his rifle from the rack on the back of his vehicle.

Another source said that while traveling in a national forest park, he and his party were met by what appeared to be a military police officer who demanded that they turn back.

Residents in Pine Mountain, Georgia and Spruce Mountain, Nevada have had confrontations with US armed forces. When travelling in public national forested areas, military police with “automatic weapons” say that locals cannot gather wood in surrounding forested spaces (as they have traditionally done for decades). One man in particular had his rifle forcibly confiscated by unidentified armed men.

In Plainville and Worchester, Massachusetts, surprised citizens witnessed last “Wednesday evening. . . military helicopters descended on the vacant Wood School [in] the late hours of the night in a scene that might have appeared to simulate the United States’ special forces attack on Osama bin Laden’s compound last year.” Many locals had their homes swooped down upon by black helicopters in an obvious display of military dominance over the general public.

Residents saw helicopters landing near Worcester Memorial Auditorium in Lincoln Square. Local newspapers were flooded with “telephone calls and e-mails . . . curious about what was happening.”

The local police claim they were unaware of the drills.

Moving around in white, unmarked vans, strange troops have been seen purchasing food and water at another Wal-Mart in Franklin, Indiana. Parading in military personnel fatigues where drone activity has been reported in Oklahoma City and black helicopters were spotted hovering over a construction site.

The increased activity across the nation in conjunction with the mounting citizen reports of seeing military on their streets, conducting urban warfare drills, and spotting foreign troops have prompted public interest in the US government’s plans to enact a full-scale martial law in America – expected by the end of this year.

The more attention that is brought to these sightings and the more people come forward with information, the safer the American public will be. The US military have orders to shoot and kill all dissenters. They are being trained to confiscate guns and detain people in “internment” or FEMA camps. For the sake of continuity of government, they are being told to turn on their own fellow Americans.

Do any of you remember the 1995 movie; “12 Monkeys?” The reason that the Bruce Willis character was in prison was because he had violated the; ” PERMANENT EMERGENCY LAW ” a term we may all come to loathe…

DA 14’s object’s orbital path is still being refined. “We don’t know exactly where it is, and that uncertainty maps through to an uncertainty in the orbit and predictions,” Steven Chesley La Sangra Observatory

If the asteroid were to hit land, the impact of the 140,000-ton rock would release energy equivalent to a 2.4-megaton explosion, Chodas and other NASA scientists have calculated.

If the asteroid were to strike the ocean, Chodas added, it would produce a tsunami.

Franksaid

I used to be worried about it, then I prayed for the Lord to show me the truth, and I believe He did. I have seen enough to convince me planet x is nothing. Any other asteroids? Possible, sure, but fear not, the Lord is with you bro. As long as you’re saved, you’re going to Him anyways. You know Jesus, don’t worry!

Martial law, well, that’s another story. For that read “Tortured for Christ” wurmbrand was arrested and beaten for the Gospel, but he leaned on Jesus. This book helped me to fear men less. Count it joy.

I have to agree that fear is our absolute worst enemy here. Let’s play the what if game. What if we held in our hands undeniable truth of imminent destruction by planet X? So undeniable that even NASA would agree, and we were the sole keeper?

What would we do? What would we say to people? We couldn’t say run for the hills. Where would we run?

No the only message we can give is the saving grace of Jesus. No matter what the unseen truth is, we know that the truth through faith is Jesus. It changes nothing.

So we shall take a collective breath and go out and spread that gospel.

Amen Hopeful… unless all our knowledege/research produces an URGENCY in our Spirits to see souls saved… then I’m afraid we’re just puffing up our pride…
“To win for the Lamb that was slain the reward of his suffering!” Good Bereans? yes… Good “Moravians” ???? (24 hour intercession goin’ on anywhere???) Peace-out all…

ahhh…I didn’t put it in quotes the first time…so awaiting moderation….here it is again…

Elinin may not be the “joke” you think it is. Just wrongly understood for what it’s purpose was. Remember, the wise men followed a star to Yeshua’s birth. Watch the part 4 video at this site “www.inthatday.net” It has much to offer concerning the Mazzaroth.

To God Be The Glorysaid

Fear of suffering is one of the hardest things we’ll ever have to face in this life time. God has promised not to put more on us then we can handle. But if we look at Job, we can see that he was able to handle a lot! Much more than any of us would ever want to experience.

Jesus is always our example, and something that surprises many Christians is that Jesus Himself struggled with fear, yet overcame it, through the faith that works itself out through obedience to the Father.

Hebrews 5:7
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Jesus taught us what to do and how to act and how look at life, through the eyes of our spirit and His Spirit and through the eyes of eternity saying:

Luke 12:4,5
“I say unto to you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body and after that have no more they can do.
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him

For any of us facing imprisonment, or even torture, Jesus gave us this advice. a good scripture to hide away in our hearts in preparation for times to come. He said:

Rev 2:10
“Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.”

He said be faithful unto death. When we signed up, we didn’t just sign up for a free gift, we’ve been bought with a price.Our lives are not ours anymore. All we can do now is trust and obey. We can avoid at least some things by obeience to His word. Obedience to the Gospel, will prevent our having to suffer things, that we would never had had to suffer, if we would have been faithful to His word.

I’m not saying that all we suffer is because of not obeying, but we could avoid so much, if we would just take our salvation seriously, and obey His word. So many things are beyond our control. Obeying the gospel is completely up to us. Its a choice we all make day by day, minute by minute.

Franksaid

1) planet x/nibiru collision originated on zetatalk from a woman channelling grey aliens. (My theory, the demons were trying to find a way to distract from the birth bangs of Jesus’ return by claiming its from planet x.)

If that isn’t enough.

2) zecharia sitchin rejected this theory as being his nibiru and distanced himself from the zetatalktheory

3) Dr. Heiser has debunked the planet X

4). The kolbrin bible, first, I emailed dr. Heiser about it, he said no scholars take it seriously. Also, they sell kolbrin in “collectible” editions. Sorry, but unless the CE is made out of adamantium, what’s the point?

5) there’s no solid date/orbit for it. Scientists can calculate orbits of things that take thousands of years, once we know when it appears. Planet x has supposedly come more than once, so from that alone we should have a good guess. Instead we have a 1200 -3600 year orbit. It can’t be both.

6) doug elwell said the outer planets’s rotations were affected by it, BUT uranus’ eccentric alignment was recently modeled WITHOUT. A catstrophe of some sort. He also uses venus in his argument.

His argument is that the inner planets have not had their orbits affected, that’s why we all have minimal axial tilt. BUT, that’s false. Venus rotates in the opposite direction as earth, so it is “upside down” and not rotating the same as the other inner planets.

Planet X was written about, and described in detail way-way before ANYONE even knew what a “Grey” was/is… The Sumerians have a detailed history of both the 3600 year eliptical orbit, as well as precise details on when it would return… Please go to tribulation-now.org and check out the Planet X link.

Robertsaid

Agreeing with Frank. The watcher forum had gotten to overflow with unfounded ‘warnings’ to the point it was hard to sift useful info from it. What will we say next month if this latest warning becomes a big nothing?

I think we miss a bigger picture when talking about elenin, planet x and any other difficult to prove astronomical events unless you have the hubble or you see a huge blazing orb in the sky.

We know for a fact because its biblical truth that earthquakes and many other other events will come on the earth. New agers will want to point to anything they can think of for these anomolies other than the wrath of God.

Franksaid

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

Everyone should read Revelation 6:12-17…and watch video at end of post!!

12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;

and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; ( same as Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Rev. 6:12 )

13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. ( asteroids more than likely. )

14The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
( Atmosphere shredded when it moves during a POLE SHIFT. )

15Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains;
( Underground Bases and caves…..GO READ Isaiah 2:10-21….identical. )

16and they said to the mountains and to the rocks,
“Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb;

17for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

( Out of their own mouths THEY DECLARE …GOD’S WRATH !!! )

i totally believe THIS SEAL begins the TRIBULATION…DAY of THE LORD!!!
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These EVENTS do NOT happen due to “methane fumes” or co2 emmissions.

SOMETHING IS COMING FROM SPACE!!!

NATIONS and Gov’ts DO NOT SPEND BILLIONS ON TELESCOPES
FOR NOTHING….

SOMETHING IS COMING FROM SPACE!!!

Trumpet Judgments 1, 3, and 4 have something to do with our immediate
surrounding atmosphere and things coming from outside our planet.

LUKE 21:25-28 also indicates the HEAVENS are to be WATCHED !!!

2 pETER 3:10-13 IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO READ & KNOW!!!

pLUS, TONS OF PASSAGES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT !!!

LIKE I SAID….SOMETHING IS COMING FROM SPACE.

go to YOUTUBE and type this in:

“WORMWOOD: PROPHECY IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING(REVISED)”

OR CLICK HERE:

That will give you MUCH to ponder!!!!

Kirk

JLLsaid

Planet X was written about, and described in detail way-way before ANYONE even knew what a “Grey” was/is… The Sumerians have a detailed history of both the 3600 year eliptical orbit, as well as precise details on when it would return… Please go to tribulation-now.org and check out the Planet X link.

Mysticmentor, Nibiru (Zechariah Sitchin’s name for Planet X — and as I understand it, he created the theory?) was thoroughly debunked (as Frank mentioned) by Dr. Michael Heiser, who has certain advantages Sitchin didn’t have: first of all, unlike Sitchin, he actually is a scholar of ancient Middle Eastern languages, and secondly, he’s a Christian. He says there was no idea of a 12th planet, that Sitchin didn’t understand the symbols in the diagrams he was “interpreting,” and that Sitchin just plain made things up.

See Dr. Heiser’s site here:
“www.sitchiniswrong.com”

there isn’t a single text in the entire cuneiform record that:

= Has nibiru as a planet beyond Pluto
= Connects nibiru with the Anunnaki
= Has nibiru cycling through our solar system every 3600 years

— from his “Nibiru” page.

And he gives you a link so you can search the cuneiform record for all the mentions of “Nibiru” and check to see if any of them match Sitchin’s claims.

JLLsaid

DA 14′s object’s orbital path is still being refined. “We don’t know exactly where it is, and that uncertainty maps through to an uncertainty in the orbit and predictions,” Steven Chesley La Sangra Observatory

If the asteroid were to hit land, the impact of the 140,000-ton rock would release energy equivalent to a 2.4-megaton explosion, Chodas and other NASA scientists have calculated.

If the asteroid were to strike the ocean, Chodas added, it would produce a tsunami

but not a big one, the actual article finishes.

Richard’s excerpt above is bits and pieces pasted together — not a continuous whole — and is … well … extremely misleading.

For instance, it’s certain DA 14 won’t hit the Earth in 2013. It might hit a communications satellite or disrupt a satellite’s orbit. It willl next approach the Earth in 2020. The chance it would hit Earth in the next several decades is currently rated 3 in 10,000.

Here’s a link to the entire article: National Geographic News in mid-May, based on info reported at an astronomical meeting earlier that month.
“http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/05/120517-asteroid-close-earth-satellites-danger-space-science/”

The heart of Dr. Chodas’s message in the Nat’l Geo article is his hope the February 2013 fly-by will collection more information on how Earth’s mass deforms the asteroid’s path so they can track how close it will come in future fly-bys. Chodas’s ominous remarks quoted by Richard above referred to a hypothetical post-2013 collision.

In fact, Nat’l Geo’s article was titled “Approaching Asteroid May Get Close Enough to Smash Satellites” — NOT “Smash the Earth.”

That article was from almost three months ago. I could not find anything more recent from the scientific community. NASA’s info seems to be no more up-to-date (unless Frank can find more than I did). Look here under February 15, 2013 (I hope this goes through properly):
“http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/neo_ca?type=NEO&hmax=all&sort=date&sdir=ASC&tlim=far_future&dmax=0.1AU&max_rows=500&fmt=full&action=Display+Table&show=1″

Franksaid

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

25Do not be afraid of sudden fear
Nor of the onslaught of the wicked when it comes;

26For the LORD will be by your side,
And will keep your foot from being caught.

FEAR is the OPPOSITE of FAITH. Put your FAITH in GOD ALMIGHTY.

Psalm 118:8

8It is better to take refuge in the LORD
Than to trust in man.

This verse IS THE EXACT MIDDLE VERSE IN THE BIBLE…….

DO YOU THINK GOD IS MAKING A POINT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Listen …

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PROPERLY TAUGHT IN THE WORD of GOD
ACT JUST LIKE THE THESSALONIANS …AND THE APOSTLE PAUL HAD
TO BRING CORRECTION TO WHAT FEAR THEY WERE INJESTING
FROM “THE ENEMY” THROUGH “WRONG TEACHING”…

( a letter they received… “thinking it was FROM Paul, but was NOT !!! )

WE CERTAINLY MAY GO THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES AND HAVE
TO DEAL WITH PERSECUTION FROM OUR FELLOW MAN…..THAT IS TRUE.

WHY should other CHRISTIANS in other parts of the world deal with it,
and THE CHURCH in America NOT have to !!??!!??

WHY should CHRISTIANS in other parts of the world BE KILLED
for their FAITH….and we have “cushy”… non effected lives in America ??!!

However….( 2 PART POINT HERE )

POINT ONE:

THERE IS A “M – A – S – S – I – V – E” DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEALING
WITH “THE PERSECUTION of MAN” AS SEEN IN 2 TIMOTHY 3:12…..

12Indeed, ALL who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus WILL be persecuted.

THAT SIMPLY MEANS, at some point as a TRUE CHRISTIAN…
YOU WILL BE AT ODDS WITH THE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD …
….JUST AS THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS !!!!!!

POINT TWO:

THE “WRATH of GOD” IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING !!!!!!!!

READ 1 THESSALONIANS 1:1-9 AND TAKE NOTICE OF VERSE 9.

JESUS has “NOT” DESTINED HIS CHURCH…THE BRIDE…FOR WRATH.
PLUS…LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CONTRASTS IN THIS PASSAGE!!!

ZEPHANIAH 1:2-6…….NOTICE END OF VERSE 2 !!!
………..”HE RESERVES WRATH for HIS ENEMIES”……NOT HIS BRIDE!!!

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YES…GOD DISCIPLINES HIS KIDS…SEE HEBREWS 12 !!!

BUT HE POURS OUT HIS WRATH ON HIS ENEMIES….HIS ENEMIES !!!

Again…
THERE IS A……..M-A-S-S-I-V-E………DIFFERENCE between being
“persecuted” by man and “suffering” at the hands of man……..

OR INSTEAD…

HAVING THE WRATH of GOD POURED OUT ON YOU…….
BECAUSE YOU ARE A WICKED…UNREPENTANT….SINNER !!!!!!!!!

That is why HIS CHURCH…JESUS’ BRIDE…will be RAPTURED off this rock
BEFORE ….BEFORE….BEFORE The TRIBULATION begins !!!!

I leave you with this passage out of…
Romans 5:8-11….
8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood,

we shall be SAVED FROM the wrath of God through Him !!!!!!!!!!!!!

10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

So, with all the “uninformed”, “lack of knowledge”, and “wrong” teaching that has
brought about “Doctrines of Demons” like Mid-Trib,…. Post-Trib,….Pre-Wrath….

Lisasaid

That was a good study on the persecution of man and the wrath of God. I concur also. I remember hearing somewhere that if the Lord allowed us (the bride) to be subjected to the wrath of God, he would be like an abusive husband, which He is not. Also, it would be contrary to the purpose of His sacrifice on Calvary. We have been bought with a price, the precious blood of the Lamb and are not destined for wrath. I remember also hearing somewhere that just as a government calls home its ambassadors from a foreign country before a war breaks out, so the Lord will call us home (via the rapture-harpazo) before the tribulation comes. Amen!

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

Take 30 minutes and READ through the Book of 1 Peter….and take notice
of how many times The Spirit of God brings up “the subject of SUFFERING”.
I think you will see it is mentioned quite often in 1 Peter…and IS RARELY…
…. if EVER…mentioned at MOST “churches” today!!!

You see…
“L A O D I C E A N” Churches just want to be nice and cozy. “Tell us how
sweet we are and do not pressure us to change (ie – REPENT!! )….
cause that would “ruffle our feathers” and Therefore, we will NOT tithe….
or maybe we will just leave…and find another place that’s just warm”….

NOT ON FIRE WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD BLAZING & HIS PRESENCE REAL.

Like someone inferred yesterday on this blog,

Becoming a “prophecy nut” around your family and friends in our day
sure gets you strange looks and certainly makes them keep their distance…

UNLESS THEY ARE HUNGRY FOR GOD ALMIGHTY !!!

THOSE WHO HUNGER AND THIRST………….. WILL BE FILLED !!!

REMEMBER,
In this world, we will have tribulations…afflictions…persecutions.
It is “all part of the package”…Jesus endured it… so will we.
WE are NOT greater than OUR MASTER !!!

Also, when we are RAPTURED out of here BEFORE the TRIBULATION…
THEN the reign of the anti-CHRIST begins.

See Daniel 9:27…
The Signing of The 7 Year Covenant begins The TRIBULATION !!!

THAT is what begins the SPECIFIC timeline of the TRIBULATION.

And THE RAPTURE will happen BEFORE the TRIBULATION.

That is why in 1 Thess 5:11 “we are to COMFORT or encourage each other”

I agree we will NEVER experience “The Wrath of God” as TRUE Born Again Christians. HavIng said that, that in no way frees us from a like of trials and literal “Tribulation”. As most of us know the words of Christ in John 16:33, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

Since He has overcome the world, we are given that great Hope that when our time comes, we KNOW how to be “Overcomers”.

All we have to do is look at the hundreds of MILLIONS of Chistians that were martyred in the 20th century all over the world. The sad thing is most of us look at the persecution of Christians through “Western” eyes living so far away from REAL tribulation, torture and death at the hands of Christ haters. When it comes our turn…if that be the Father’s will…the Body of Christ is in for such a Oh-so-rude-awakening.

This is why it is PARAMOUNT we share our faith with our loved ones first and then begin reaching out through our conentric circle of influence.

It is AMAZING what God Almighty WILL DO through just ONE person who is WILLING to do as commanded in Luke 9:23 and take up our cross DAILY to follow Christ. Will we suffer for being obedient? Aboslutely and in MANY WAYS. Is it worth it?:D

NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS AS SATISFYING AS BEING COUNTED WORTHY AS SUFFERING FOR CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD!!!

And last century was just a study in SMALL portions of the suffering that we WILL endure at the hands of those who knowingly or unwittingly serve the enemy of our souls. We will be seen as the scourge that is holding the world back from reach the next level in human evolution because we are “Narrow minded biggots” who refuse to “Open our minds” to the new paradigm of the “Christ conciousness”, which in turns holds the world back from moving forward.

Ahhh…those pesky Christians.

Yes we are FREE from God’s Wrath…but not from all the sick imaginations of what the human mind can come up with. Even so, our Rock is with us to be our shelter and Strong Tower, our REFUGE…just as He has been and is for so many of us already going through our own personal tribulations.

This is why I am so grateful we have a place like this to meet and encourage one another as many of you have done for me just this year by praying for me and my own family when I called on you to pray.

A place like this is PRICELESS! I pray we NEVER take Brother Lynn for granted and this BLOG he daily takes time to update.

We are blessed. May we bless one another and be examples to all the lost who come here every day as they are searching…just like we once did.

Respecfully in Christ,

Jeff D

Elainesaid

While I love your zeal and our passion for the Lord Kirk, I do not hold Darby’s view. I believe it has wrongly applies to the anti-christ’s covenant when that scripture is talking of Christ’s covenant. I only say this here not to bring us into a division because I love our unity of the Spirit of God to encourage all believers to seek the Lord which we do together. But, if any of us (including myself!) put forth something that we hold as true when in God’s sight we are wrong then there is the chance to cause many to stumble. We can see that the birth pangs are clearly here. But, what will it do for those who are believing for another 7yrs when it may be far shorter than that? Your brother in Christ.

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

I really do NOT understand what you are referring to in your post.
Somehow YOU have confused scripture terribly !!

AS THE CHURCH, we are here “to occupy until JESUS comes” and
as 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Corinth. 15:50-58, Phil. 3:20-21 and John 14:1-3…

ALL these verses reveal THE RAPTURE…”being caught up”…
PRIOR to God’s WRATH being poured out for 7 Years…The TRIBULATION.

THAT period of time …noted in DANIEL 9:27…is the 70th WEEK ….
which is the FINAL 7 years that GOD has reserved as JUDGMENT….
in order to “Break the power of the holy people”…See Daniel 12:5-7.

TWO halfs of TRIBULATION divided by “Abomiation of Desolation”.
1,260 DAYS …… 42 MONTHS ….. 3 1/2 Years ( For EACH HALF )
Begins at Signing or Firming of covenant….see Isaiah 28:14-22.
ENDS at REVELATION 19…JESUS 2nd COMING…with us with Him!!!

THE PASSAGE in Daniel 12:5-7 ties right into Matthew 24:15-22
and you can see that THE MID POINT of the TRIBULATION is made
clear as being “The Abomination of Desolation”…noted in Daniel 9:27
and mentioned again in reference by Matthew 24:15…and then verses
16-20 are further notes on that event and HOW THE JEWS RESPOND !!!!

AT THIS POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE,
this “specific sign” is given to the JEWISH NATION …THAT when they
see “this sign” set up IN THE THIRD TEMPLE…”they are to FLEE”…

REASON is found in verse 21-22 of Matthew 24 !!!

21“For THEN there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22“Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Zechariah 13:8-9 says That GOD will bring 1/3 of the JEWS
through the FIRE…of The TRIBULATION.” 2/3 of ALL JEWS = KILLED !!!

THAT IS HOW BAD THE 2nd HALF of The TRIBULATION WILL BE !!!!

The TRIBULATION is JUDGMENT on ISRAEL and THE NATIONS. BOTH !

THE CHURCH IS IN HEAVEN to appear before THE BEMA SEAT …
2 Corinthians 5:10…Romans 14:10-12…1 Corinthians 3:10-15….
where we get our rewards,…. “we get our FINE LINEN on after that”…
and THEN we go to “The Marriage of The Lamb”. Then Rev 19:11-19.

ON THE LAST DAY of THE TRIBULATION….2,520 DAYS from the
“signing” or “firming” of the Covenant of the anti-CHRIST…Daniel 9:27…

Lisasaid

Thank you yet again for pointing out specifically through scripture how the timeline of the removal of the bride and the tribulation plays out. I believe there are other views because of not understanding truly who Israel is and who the church is. Yes we are grafted in but the church is a new entity made up of both jew and gentile. It is a special people. We are destined for immortality, as heavenly workers for both the New Jerusalem and earth during the millenium. The nation of Israel will have 1/3 or a remnant as you say of survivors from the tribulation period and they, along with any gentiles who make it through the tribulation will repopulate the earth and Israel will be a special mortal people as His earthly ambassadors to the rest of the nations, as Israel as a national people will always have a special purpose on the earth, as He chose them to be the original people to have and preserve His Holy Word and ways. The time of the tribulation is not called Jacob’s Trouble for nothing. It is the time when the Lord finishes his refining of the jewish people to bring out a remnant for himself to be these earthly mortal ambassadors during the millenium. The church-bride and Israel are two specific entities in the Lord’s purpose, both having a part to play in different ways. And scripture is clear that the bride does not go through the tribulation. That’s my take on it pretty much. Amen!

Kirtsaid

Judgment comes when Elohim pours out his vials AFTER the 7 trumpets. All Elohim’s judgments are described in Rev 16.

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the VIALS of the wrath of Elohim upon the earth.

Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Yahweh El Shaddai, true and righteous are thy JUDGMENTS.

And here are more verses saying Elohim’s judgments are vials NOT the angels trumpets.

Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Yahweh, and magnify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy JUDGMENTS are made manifest.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden VIALS full of the wrath of Elohim, who liveth for ever and ever.

The seventh angel’s trumpet tells us that the Messiah comes. Here are more verses clearly telling us..

Rev 10:7 But in THE DAYS OF THE VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of Elohim should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What is the mystery of Elohim?

“the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed”

1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

“while they are saying peace and safety then destruction shall come upon them ‘suddenly’ like birthpangs upon a woman and they shall not escape.
But you brethren are not in darkness, That ((THE DAY)) should overtake you like a thief” 1Thes5:3,4

If that Day is not to overtake us, that is to (take us by surprise).. it can only mean that we are here to see it surprise the wicked.. That is what is meant by not being overtaken by that Day.. The day is the Lord His physical return.. How can ((That day)) not overtaking the brethren unless we be here!
It would have been pointless For Paul to say this if we were not here to see it……

I believe that the 2Thes passage is further clarification By Apostle Paul of the 1Thes passage

2Thes2 is refering to the Day of the Lord Vs2

This is preceded by the Apostasy and the revealing of the son of perdition Vs3
it is at His coming that the Lord will destroy The lawless one Vs8

Kirtsaid

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING of our Master Yahshua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (COMING of our Master Yahshua the Messiah) shall not come, EXCEPT there come a (definite article defining it precisely) falling away first (rebellious stand, in opposition, sedition, against lawful authority, an act, a divorce), AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION ;

We can find that same word “apostasia” in Act 21:22 to help us see that it does NOT mean caught up..

Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they praised Elohim, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to FORSAKE Moses (law), saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against HIM (JESUS) who sat on the horse and against His army. (HIS army is US…THE CHURCH…THE BRIDE !!! )

Doom of the Beast and False Prophet

20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

These verses tie into the last half of 2 Thess 2:8…

“whom (indicating the anti-CHRIST) THE LORD will slay with the breath of HIS mouth and bring to an end by THE APPEARANCE of HIS COMING;…”

Regarding the above…….. see also Isaiah 11:4…

4But with righteousness He will judge the poor,
And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He will slay THE wicked.

MEANING: JESUS WILL SLAY “THE” WICKED…”THE” anti-CHRIST !!!

THIS HAPPENS ON THE LAST DAY OF THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION.

Also see Isaiah 30:27-33….ties right in with 2 Thess. 2:8 as above!
This passage describes JESUS “TORCHING” the anti-CHRIST !!!
Note verse 33…”Topheth” is a symbol of the anti-CHRIST SET ABLAZE !!

27Behold, the name of the LORD comes from a remote place;
Burning is His anger and dense is His smoke;
His lips are filled with indignation
And His tongue is like a consuming fire;

28His breath is like an overflowing torrent,
Which reaches to the neck,
To shake the nations back and forth in a sieve,
And to put in the jaws of the peoples the bridle which leads to ruin.

29You will have songs as in the night when you keep the festival,
And gladness of heart as when one marches to the sound of the flute,
To go to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.

30And the LORD will cause His voice of authority to be heard,
And the descending of His arm to be seen in fierce anger,
And in the flame of a consuming fire
In cloudburst, downpour and hailstones.

31For at the voice of the LORD Assyria will be terrified,
When He strikes with the rod.

32And every blow of the rod of punishment,
Which the LORD will lay on him,
Will be with the music of tambourines and lyres;
And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them.

33For Topheth has long been ready,
Indeed, it has been prepared for the king.
He has made it deep and large,
A pyre of fire with plenty of wood;
The breath of the LORD, like a torrent of brimstone, sets it afire.

So again…

Revelation 19:19-21…….
19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against HIM (JESUS) who sat on the horse and against His army (THE CHURCH).

Doom of the Beast and False Prophet

20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Yes…that is MUCH to take it, but it is ALL there to help us understand
what JESUS will do at HIS 2nd Coming to the Beast and False Prophet.

Kirtsaid

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve LEGIONS (ROMAN REGIMENT-MILITARY) OF ANGELS?

Joh 18:36 Yahshua answered, My KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD: if my kingdom were of this world, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Where is Yahshua’s kingdom?

In heaven

What servants IN HEAVEN would fight for him?

His ANGELS Just like he said in Mat 26:53

Here is an example of Yahshua’s army in heaven. Take note they are angels

Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels FOUGHT against the dragon; and the dragon FOUGHT and his angels,

Also the word HOSTS means army of angels

Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the ANGEL A MULTITUDE OF THE HEAVENLY HOST (ARMY) praising Elohim, and saying,

Luk 2:14 Honor to Yahweh in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luk 2:15 And it came to pass, as THE ANGELS WERE GONE AWAY FROM THEM INTO HEAVEN, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which The Sovereign hath made known unto us.

Please post any verse that says the bride is Yahshua’s “army of angels”

You also have not been able to respond at all about the time line of 7 trumpets with the son of perdition coming at the 3rd trumpet, Satan coming at the 5th trumpet and Yahshua coming at the 7th trumpet.

Kirtsaid

Mat 16:27 For the SON OF MAN shall come in the majesty of his Father WITH HIS ANGELS; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT MAJESTY.

Mat 24:31 And HE SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS WITH A GREAT sound of a trumpet, and THEY (ANGLES) SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS with great power and splendour.

Mar 13:27 And THEN SHALL HE SEND HIS ANGELS, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Master Yahshua shall be revealed from heaven WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS,

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not Yahweh, and that obey not the good news of our Master Yahshua the Messiah:

Lisasaid

I’m just weighing in on your comment to Kirk about the bride coming back at the second coming with the Lord. Jude 1:14 states: ” And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,” KJV. Also scripture in various places speaks of us as being soldiers in an army. As we are called the Bride, we are also called His Body. We will also judge the nations and the angels. Therefore, it isn’t a stretch based on these scripture references to understand that we have a “military” or “governmental” type of position in His body and would therefore be called to be at His side upon His second coming and bringing in of the Kingdom. So yes, angels come with Him but we do as well. Again different creations doing different types of jobs for Him but all in His company so to speak. Amen!

Kirtsaid

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, Yahweh cometh with ten thousands of his SAINTS,

Angels are also saints.

Here a verse parallel to Jude 1:14 notice the saints are angels

Deu 33:2 And he said, YAHWEH came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and HE CAME WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF SAINTS (ANGELS): from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

More verses that tell us angels are saints.

Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?
Job 15:15 Behold, he putteth no trust in his SAINTS (angels); yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight.

Job 5:1 Call now, if there be any that will answer thee; and to which of the SAINTS wilt thou turn?

Psa 89:7 El is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the SAINTS, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and Yahweh my Elohim shall come, and all the SAINTS with thee.

Psa 16:3 But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.

If the verse has to make the distinction about the SAINTS that are in the earth then as we know from the verses above that SAINTS are in heaven as well they are angels.

Since angels are saints. The scriptures Domitrovic was refering to deal with Yahshua’s return when he returns we are not with Yahshua because we aren’t with him until he returns. He comes to get us. If he is coming to get us we can’t already be with him.

so the saints have to be angels

1Th 4:16 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (Micheal), and with the trump (7th trump) of Yahweh: and the dead in the Messiah shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so shall we ever be with Yahweh.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great majesty.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great magnificence.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (7th trump when the Master descends from heaven): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Kirtsaid

I have read REVELATION 19: 7-19 enough to understand the “armies of heaven” are the angels. I have showed you verse after verse that the armies of heaven have to be angels. You have yet to show me one verse that the armies of heaven are the bride.

Here is 19:7-19

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of Elohim.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Yahshua: worship Elohim: for the testimony of Yahshua is the spirit of prophecy.

This ends that event
Now starts a different event
They are not in chronological order as not everything in Revelation is

Rev 19:11 AND I SAW HEAVEN OPENED, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of Elohim.
Rev 19:14 And the ARMIES WHICH WERE IN HEAVEN (angels, saints) followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of El Shaddai.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great Elohim;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and AGAINST HIS ARMY (angels, saints).

I am using scripture after scripture to show you.

I have asked you to respond to the time line of 7 trumpets with the son of perdition coming at the 3rd trumpet, Satan coming at the 5th trumpet and Yahshua coming at the 7th trumpet.

You have no response.

All of the writers of the bible including the writers of the New Testament were Hebrew.

On many occasions we can’t understand the correct meaning of a word phrase or verse unless we know what the Hebrew meaning is.

I suggest you get a program to help you do this. There are many out there free and online. I use e-sword

Kirk D I agree with you that Christ will destroy the son of P at his second coming… But it is as kirk says At the last trump!.. and that is when we are raptured and Not before.. All the Apostles taught of One second coming.. He comes in Glory with his angels To judge the living and the dead and cast into hell-fire all who have not believed the Gospel 2Thes1:6-12 Mat25:31-46 The seventh trump is the time of our reward Rev11:18

Kirk D; Consideration must also be given to the fact that the son of perdition (the lawless one) is revealed in association to the Apostasy ( the falling away from the faith) So; that is indicative that there must remain a ‘Faithful remnant’ standing firm in the Lord during the reign of the lawless one..Paul’s letter has nothing to do with Jews But with the Church to which he is writing.. we are that church today!

Kirtsaid

Joh 17:15 I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou SHOULDEST KEEP (GUARD) THEM FROM THE EVIL (ONE).

Yahshua had no intention of taking us out of the world, but that we would be GUARDED from the evil one of the world, while still living in the world

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will KEEP (guard) thee from the hour of TEMPTATION (the experience of evil), which shall come upon ALL the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER (guard) us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the majesty, for ever. Amen.

Kirtsaid

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

The RAPTURE is when JESUS comes “FOR HIS BRIDE”…THE CHURCH…
HIS BODY…. and we MEET JESUS IN THE AIR AND JESUS TAKES
US TO HEAVEN WHERE HE PREPARED A PLACE FOR US
….see 1 Thess 4: 13-18 AND ALSO JOHN 14:1-3
THE RAPTURE HAPPENS BEFORE THE TRIBULATION STARTS.

THE RAPTURE IS WHEN “THE TRUMPET of GOD” IS HEARD…
WHICH IS “GOD’S VOICE”….”THE LAST TRUMPET” AS NOTED IN
1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-52 …WHICH IS THE SAME EVENT FOUND
IN 1 THESS 4:13-18….IT’S “GOD’S VOICE”…SOUNDING LIKE A TRUMPET,
WHICH IS THE LAST TRUMPET FOR THE CHURCH AGE…CALLING
HIS BRIDE…HIS CHURCH HOME TO HEAVEN BEFORE THE TRIBULATION BEGINS ON THE EARTH.

IF YOU READ EXODUS 19… THIS WHOLE THING TIES TOGETHER
WITH HEBREWS 12:18-21 AND 25-27. THESE TWO PASSAGES
SHOW US THE POWER IN GOD’S VOICE AND HOW GOD’S VOICE
“TRUMPETED” SO LOUD THAT THE EARTH SHOOK AND
IT SCARED THE PEOPLE.

THIS “TRUMPET” OF “GOD’S VOICE” ….CALLING HIS PEOPLE HOME
TO HEAVEN… IS THE EVENT CALLED THE RAPTURE or
being “CAUGHT UP”…NOTED IN 1 THESS. 4:17.

THIS EVENT…….THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH TO HEAVEN…
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOK OF REVELATION…WHERE IN
CHAPTER 8 IT SPEAKS OF 7 TRUMPETS THAT ARE BLOWN
BY 7 DIFFERENT ANGELS. THESE 7 TRUMPETS ARE FOR THE
ANNOUNCING OF ANOTHER JUDGMENT UPON THE EARTH DURING
THE FIRST HALF of THE TRIBULATION. EACH TRUMPET SIGNALS
A DIFFERENT CATACLYSMIC EVENT ON EARTH DURING TRIBULATION.
EACH TRUMPET IS BLOWN BY AN ANGEL…NOT the “trumpet of GOD”.
…..WHICH IS EXPLAINED ABOVE…TO BE “GOD’S AWESOME VOICE”.
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THE 2nd COMING IS WHEN JESUS COMES “with” HIS BRIDE…
THE CHURCH…HIS BODY….FROM HEAVEN AND TO THE EARTH….
AND JESUS SETS HIS FOOT ON THE MOUNT of OLIVES….
AS SEEN IN ZECHARIAH 14: 3-7…ALSO SEEN IN REVELATION 19:11-19.

IN REVELATION 19…

VERSE 7 MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB…BRIDE HAS MADE HERSELF READY.

VERSE 8 THE BRIDE CLOTHES HERSELF WITH FINE LINEN…
……………WHICH ARE THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS(PEOPLE).

VERSE 9 MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB

VERSES 11-13 ARE ALL ABOUT JESUS GETTING READY FOR WAR!!!

VERSE 14 THE ARMIES IN HEAVEN…CLOTHED IN FINE LINEN…
……………..REFER BACK TO VERSE 8….THE BRIDE HAS FINE LINEN…
………….THEREFORE, THE BRIDE…SHE IS THE CHURCH…THE ARMY
……………THAT IS IN HEAVEN….JESUS BRIDE COMING WITH HIM
…………….TO WAGE WAR ON THE EARTH RIDING WHITE HORSES!!!

VERSES 15-16 MORE DETAILS ABOUT JESUS !!!

VERSES 17-18 AN ANGEL CALLS FOR BIRDS TO EAT FLESH.

VERSE 19 BEAST AND HIS ARMY READY TO WAR AGAINST JESUS
……………..AND AGAINST JESUS’ ARMY…WHICH IS HIS BRIDE…
……………..SEE VERSE 14…..BRIDE WITH FINE LINENS.
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THE RAPTURE…JESUS TAKES US UP TO HEAVEN FROM THE EARTH.

2ND COMING…JESUS TAKES US WITH HIM FROM HEAVEN TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE anti-CHRIST AND his armies awaiting JESUS RETURN
TO THE EARTH ON THE LAST DAY OF THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION.
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I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THIS IS WHAT CONFUSES YOU…
BECAUSE YOU DON’T PUT PIECES OF SCRIPTURE TOGETHER…..
RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.

HOPE THIS HELPS…I AM READY FOR BED…12:44 AM !!!

KIRK :)

Phoebesaid

I’m probably going to get slammed here, but I do not find any Biblical basis for the pre-trib rapture theory. Jesus is very specific in letting us know that Christians will be hated, persecuted and even killed because of him. Most of these teachings are found in the New Testament, Books of the Bible that Jews do not even study, so why would people think that the Jews are the only ones who will go through the tribulation? I believe these teachings were meant for us, the Christians, in order to prepare us for what is to come. In Matthew 10:22 we are told, “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” I believe this means that those who hold their faith through the tribulation is who He is talking about. The Bible gives us many examples of the trials and tribulations bestowed on the faithful, I believe as an example, to show us that faith in God can get us through anything. Why would Jesus spend so much time teaching us of the horrible things to come and that only those who “come through it” will be saved if we are to be removed from this earth before any of these things begin? One of the best articles I have read which disproves a pre-tribulation rapture is found here: http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/tribulation.html. Look at what the Christians during the Reformation of the Church went through; burned at the stake, drowned, tortured and even buried alive because they would not give up their beliefs. Could we not call what they went through THEIR “Great Tribulation”? Those who endured to the death proved beyond a shadow of a doubt their faith in God. Why should we be exempt from such tests of faith when those who came before us were not? And these were Christians…not Jews. Like I said, I’ll probably get slammed for believing this way, but I prefer to spend my time strengthening my faith and preparing for the things to come so that I am ready to face, endure and overcome whatever Satan or this world may throw in my path.

Love and Blessings to all! :)

Elainesaid

Kirtsaid

“THE RAPTURE IS WHEN “THE TRUMPET of GOD” IS HEARD…
WHICH IS “GOD’S VOICE”….”THE LAST TRUMPET” AS NOTED IN
1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-52 …WHICH IS THE SAME EVENT FOUND
IN 1 THESS 4:13-18….IT’S “GOD’S VOICE”…SOUNDING LIKE A TRUMPET,
WHICH IS THE LAST TRUMPET FOR THE CHURCH AGE…CALLING
HIS BRIDE…HIS CHURCH HOME TO HEAVEN BEFORE THE TRIBULATION BEGINS ON THE EARTH.
IF YOU READ EXODUS 19… “

Exo 19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDETH LONG, they shall come up to the mount.

Nothing in that verse about a trumpet being the voice of God

Exo 19:19 And when the VOICE (thundering, loud, bleating, crackling, noise, sound + spark) OF THE TRUMPET sounded long, and grew louder and louder, Moses spake, and Elohim answered him by a voice.

Kirtsaid

The army in heaven of angels that are also saints that come with Yahshua at his coming are dressed in fine white linen.

Angels wear fine white linen

Here are examples of angels dressed in white linen.

Dan 10:5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in LINEN, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, TWO MEN (ANGELS) stood by them in WHITE APPAREL;

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Yahshua, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the ANGEL of Yahweh descended FROM HEAVEN, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his RAIMENT (CLOTHING) WHITE AS SNOW:

Joh 20:12 And seeth TWO ANGELS IN WHITE sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Yahshua had lain.

Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw A YOUNG MAN (ANGEL)sitting on the right side, clothed in a LONG WHITE GARMENT; and they were affrighted.

Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Yahshua of Nazareth, which has been impaled: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Again Yahshua comes for his elect. So we can NOT be coming with him in Heaven

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great majesty.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT (the beautiful beloved women) FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other.

Look the ELECT (the beautiful beloved women) go thru the tribulation the days are shortened for the ELECTS sake.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT’S sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:22 For false Messiahs and false prophets shall rise, and shall SHOW SIGNS AND WONDERS, TO SEDUCE, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, EVEN THE ELECT.

Th 2:8 And then shall that lawless one be revealed, whom the Master shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS,

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

1.REPHAIM is used to comprehend all the gigantic races of the Canaanites, of whom there were several families. There were Rephaim beyond Jordan, at Ashtaroth Karnaim, in the time of Abraham, Genesis 14:5; also some in the time of Moses. Og king of Bashan was of the Rephaim. In the time of Joshua, some of their descendants dwelt in the land of Canaan, Joshua 12:4 17:15, and we hear of them in David’s time, in the city of Gath, 1 Chronicles 20:4-6. The giant Goliath and others were the remains of the Rephaim, or of the kindred family of Anakim. Their magnitude and strength are often spoken of in Scripture. They appear to have excelled in violence and crime, and hence are monuments of divine justice.

THE VALLEY OF THE REPHAIM, OR GIANTS, was famous in Joshua’s time, Joshua 15:8 17:15 18:16, and in the time of David, who here defeated the Philistines, 2 Samuel 5:18,22 1 Chronicles 11:6 14:9. It was a broad and fertile valley, Isaiah 17:5, beginning near the valley of Hinnom, and extending several miles south-west from Jerusalem, when it contracted to a narrow passage leading off towards the Mediterranean.
It was in Judah, but near the border of Benjamin.

ref’-a-im, re-fa’-im (repha’-im, from rapha’, “a terrible one “hence “giant,” in 1 Chronicles 20:4, yelidhe ha-rapha’, “sons of the giant”; the King James Version, Rephaims): A race of aboriginal or early inhabitants East of the Jordan in Ashterothkarnaim (Genesis 14:5) and in the valley of Rephaim Southwest of Jerusalem (Joshua 15:8). They associated with other giant races, as the Emim and Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:10, 11) and the Zamzummim (Deuteronomy 2:20). It is probable that they were all of the same stock, being given different names by the different tribes who came in contact with them. The same Hebrew word is rendered “the dead,” or “the shades” in various passages (Job 26:5 margin; Psalm 88:10 margin; Proverbs 2:18 margin; Proverbs 9:18 margin; Proverbs 21:16 margin; Isaiah 14:9 margin; Isaiah 26:14, 19 margin). In these instances the word is derived from rapheh, “weak,” “powerless,” “a shadow” or “shade.”
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OTHER SCRIPTURES IN ORDER

Genesis 14:5 In the fourteenth year Chedorlaomer came, and the kings who were with him, and struck the Rephaim in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzim in Ham, and the Emim in Shaveh Kiriathaim, (WEB KJV JPS ASV BBE DBY WBS YLT NAS)

Deuteronomy 2:11 these also are accounted Rephaim, as the Anakim; but the Moabites call them Emim. (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Deuteronomy 2:20 (That also is accounted a land of Rephaim: Rephaim lived therein before; but the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Deuteronomy 3:11 (For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the Rephaim; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; isn’t it in Rabbah of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was its length, and four cubits its breadth, after the cubit of a man.) (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Deuteronomy 3:13 and the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, the kingdom of Og, gave I to the half-tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, even all Bashan. (The same is called the land of Rephaim. (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Joshua 12:4 and the border of Og king of Bashan, of the remnant of the Rephaim, who lived at Ashtaroth and at Edrei, (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Joshua 13:12 all the kingdom of Og in Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei (the same was left of the remnant of the Rephaim); for Moses attacked these, and drove them out. (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Joshua 15:8 The border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom to the side of the Jebusite southward (the same is Jerusalem); and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lies before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the farthest part of the valley of Rephaim northward. (WEB JPS ASV BBE DBY YLT NAS NIV)

Joshua 17:15 Joshua said to them, “If you are a great people, go up to the forest, and clear land for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim; since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you.” (WEB JPS ASV BBE YLT NAS)

Joshua 18:16 The border went down to the farthest part of the mountain that lies before the valley of the son of Hinnom, which is in the valley of Rephaim northward. It went down to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of the Jebusite southward, and went down to En Rogel. (WEB JPS ASV BBE DBY YLT NAS NIV)

2 Samuel 21:16 And there came against David one of the offspring of the Rephaim, whose spear was three hundred shekels of brass in weight, and having a new sword, he made an attempt to put David to death. (BBE)

2 Samuel 21:18 Now after this there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Sibbecai the Hushathite put to death Saph, one of the offspring of the Rephaim. (BBE)

2 Samuel 21:20 And again there was war at Gath, where there was a very tall man, who had twenty-four fingers and toes, six fingers on his hands and six toes on his feet; he was one of the offspring of the Rephaim. (BBE)

2 Samuel 21:22 These four were of the offspring of the Rephaim in Gath; and they came to their end by the hands of David and his servants. (BBE)

2 Samuel 23:13 Three of the thirty chief men went down, and came to David in the harvest time to the cave of Adullam; and the troop of the Philistines was encamped in the valley of Rephaim. (WEB KJV JPS ASV BBE DBY WBS YLT NAS NIV)

1 Chronicles 11:15 Three of the thirty chief men went down to the rock to David, into the cave of Adullam; and the army of the Philistines were encamped in the valley of Rephaim. (WEB KJV JPS ASV BBE DBY WBS YLT NAS NIV)

1 Chronicles 14:9 Now the Philistines had come and made a raid in the valley of Rephaim. (WEB KJV JPS ASV BBE DBY WBS YLT NAS NIV)

1 Chronicles 20:4 Now after this there was war with the Philistines at Gezer; then Sibbecai the Hushathite put to death Sippai, one of the offspring of the Rephaim; and they were overcome. (BBE)

1 Chronicles 20:6 And again there was war at Gath, where there was a very tall man, who had twenty-four fingers and toes, six fingers on his hands and six toes on his feet; he was one of the offspring of the Rephaim. (BBE)

1 Chronicles 20:8 These were of the offspring of the Rephaim in Gath; they came to their death by the hands of David and his servants. (BBE)

Job 26:5 The Rephaim are formed, Beneath the waters, also their inhabitants. (YLT)

Psalms 88:10 To the dead dost Thou do wonders? Do Rephaim rise? do they thank Thee? Selah. (YLT)

Proverbs 2:18 For her house hath inclined unto death, And unto Rephaim her paths. (YLT)

Proverbs 9:18 And he hath not known that Rephaim ‘are’ there, In deep places of Sheol her invited ones! (YLT)

Proverbs 21:16 A man who is wandering from the way of understanding, In an assembly of Rephaim resteth. (YLT)

Isaiah 14:9 Sheol beneath hath been troubled at thee, To meet thy coming in, It is waking up for thee Rephaim, All chiefs ones of earth, It hath raised up from their thrones All kings of nations. (YLT)

Isaiah 17:5 It will be like when the harvester gathers the wheat, and his arm reaps the grain. Yes, it will be like when one gleans grain in the valley of Rephaim. (WEB KJV JPS ASV BBE DBY WBS YLT NAS NIV)

Franksaid

Thanks kirk, that’s a good start anyways. Is there anything that really differntiates them from plain ol’ nephilim/giants? I see a connection with something like ghosts could it be these are like “undead”?

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

Frank….
You are correct! Many of those Scriptures I sent along will give you
a better understanding. While the spirits of the Nephilim never really
“die”…they are non the less “dead” from the bodies they inhabited.
ALL the hybrids/Nephilim alive during the time of the flood were wiped out!
BUT…because they are SPIRITUAL BEINGS….they just don’t disappear.
LIKE US…they will live on for ETERNITY !!! WE as humans …made in
God’s Image…are SPIRITUAL BEINGS who also live in a body. Gotta
have a BODY to live and move on this earth, hence that is WHY demons
want a BODY to live in so they can live out their evil desires on earth.
Fallen Angels…also SPIRITUAL BEINGS…have the ability to “morph”
or assume different forms. Even JESUS in Mark 16:12 “appeared”
in a different FORM to two of his disciples…see Luke 24:13-43 also.

So, how all that works…I guess we will find out soon when we get our
glorified bodies, noted in Phil 3:20-21, 1 Corinthians 15:50-58.

Also worth noting, is Matthew 25:41…Hell was MADE for the devil
and his angels….NOT FOR MANKIND.

BUT…if people don’t ACCEPT JESUS and take on GOD’S Nature as it says
in 2 Peter 1:2-4….then they are “of their father…the devil.”

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

1The oracle of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.

2A jealous and avenging God is the LORD;
The LORD is avenging and wrathful.
The LORD takes vengeance on His adversaries,
And He reserves wrath for His enemies. <<<<<<<<<<

3The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And the LORD will by no means leave the guilty unpunished.
In whirlwind and storm is His way,
And clouds are the dust beneath His feet.

4He rebukes the sea and makes it dry;
He dries up all the rivers.
Bashan and Carmel wither;
The blossoms of Lebanon wither.

5Mountains quake because of Him
And the hills dissolve;
Indeed the earth is upheaved by His presence,…….see Isaiah 24:1-6 !!!
The world and all the inhabitants in it.

6Who can stand before His indignation?
Who can endure the burning of His anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire
And the rocks are broken up by Him.

7The LORD is good,
A stronghold in the day of trouble,
And He knows those who take refuge in Him. ……….SALVATION !!!!

ALSO …..

Zephaniah 1:2-3

2“I will completely remove all things
From the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

3“I will remove man and beast;
I will remove the birds of the sky
And the fish of the sea,
And the ruins along with the wicked;
And I will cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

Zephaniah 1: 14-18

14Near is the great day of the LORD,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the LORD!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.

15A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities
And the high corner towers.

17I will bring distress on men
So that they will walk like the blind,
Because they have sinned against the LORD;
And their blood will be poured out like dust
And their flesh like dung.

18Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the LORD’S wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

These verses describe GOD'S WRATH poured out on UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

If YOU have "repented" and received God's forgiveness through JESUS death
burial, and resurrection on YOUR behalf…THEN…SALVATION FROM WRATH….
IS GOD THE FATHER'S FREE GIFT TO YOU !!!!!!!!

Amen!

Kirk :)

NICKsaid

it shocks me that Nancy Pelosi would talk about these occurances in this heated election climate. i looked around at some other sources that what L.A. posted and i guess she is being serious. if she is attempting to say the first time i was with GWBush a paranormal thing occured because of GW and his enviroment that would be very low political shame. if still it really happened i would say this “voice”/entity came in with /attached to Nancy. i believe Eccl.12.6,7 and 2Cor.5.6-8 so the only other thing that would have vibrated her chair would be demonic if it is true. does anybody have a take on this story they can share?

latenightlisasaid

Of course ~ due to her pride she’s bought into the demonic paranormal experience. Obviously she enjoys sharing it & hopes others will see it as supportive to her elected position of power & purpose. No testing of the spirits ~ they quoted what she wanted to hear. (Now it wouldn’t surprise me if the Lord had a Christian come forward to personally warn her about this experience @ some point.)

Pelosi should know better than to talk to the dead or dark spirits masquerading as the dead.

And there’s little doubt SBA is one of the damned burning in hell even now. Classic example of an apostate.

wiki says, quote:
In 1849, at age 29, Anthony quit teaching and moved to the family farm in Rochester, New York. She began to take part in conventions and gatherings related to the temperance movement. In Rochester, she attended the local Unitarian Church and began to distance herself from the Quakers, in part because she had frequently witnessed instances of hypocritical behavior such as the use of alcohol amongst Quaker preachers. As she got older, Anthony continued to move further away from organized religion in general, and she was later chastised by various Christian religious groups for displaying irreligious tendencies. By the 1880s, Anthony had become agnostic.[6]

Mt. 10:22, 24:13
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Lisasaid

Thanks for that tidbit on SBA. I live in Rochester, NY and have all my life. This area and surrounding towns have been a hotbed for the enemy in regard to false religious movements, occult, etc. for the longest of time. Many true believers here had been hoping for an outpouring of the Lord years ago for a revival, seeing the warfare that is over this area, however, it seems many churches went the way of error and broke up or divided, etc. Even the city is now in shambles. For several of the last few years we were the number one in highest murder rate in NYS, even above NYC. Downtown is now a ghost town and most everyone has moved to the suburbs. It is really very sad, as this was a bustling city many years ago with industrial giants such as Kodak, Bausch & Lomb, Xerox, etc. Now, it’s just becoming empyt – void. Perhaps if the Lord tarrys, there would still be time for His mercy to reach some and even bring revival. What is impossible with man is possible with God. Amen?! God bless.

moonpieeyessaid

I have no doubt Nancy knows full well ‘who’ she was communicating with. Just some old ‘buddies’ conjured up at the foot of the ‘almighty owl’ residing at the Bohemian grove. Maybe she will joining them soon at the table, on the ‘other side’. ;)

To God Be The Glorysaid

Praying for you, Kent, that all goes well for you and that soon you can put this all behind you. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit and that His grace and mercy be upon you, and that this experience, this trial of your faith, will turn into a living testimony and praise of God’s goodness and mercy towards you. Our God is such a kind and merciful God and His mercy is upon all those who obey Him and sincerely love Him in truth.

2 Tim 4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you.

“Man of the People” Barack Obama’s re-election campaign lies and is caught not by FOX but by CNN. Oh how I love the Irony! First Nancy Pelosi admits she talks to ghosts in the white house and now the president is lying to get re-elected.

No offence, but if you’ve ever read/listened to Dr. Stanley Monteith, (radioliberty.com) then you know that it makes absolutely no difference who wins what where when or how… All politics are decided WAY before hand, according to even F.D.R. way back when…

Franksaid

Franksaid

Kimberlysaid

I have a question and would like anyone’s thoughts on this one. Has anyone thought that President Obama could possibly be a soldier of satan or perhaps even an antichrist? I have pondered this question for a couple of years now, beginning with his bowing at his official meeting with a Saudia Arabian diplomat.

Each and every day we watch in horror as our government seems to be imploding Does anyone really think we can ever pay back the 17 trillion that we have in debt? Is that even feasible to believe that?

Obama does not even hide his disdain for Israel any more. He doesn’t even hide radical philosophical views or wealth redistribution anymore. I honestly believe he’s expanding the welfare lines with the intent of detroying anything related to capitalism.

I do listen to Alex Jones’ “PrisonPlanet” daily show and if half of what he believes comes true, we are indeed imploding. With the FEMA Camps (over 200) throughout the country, coupled with the 2 million body bags and caskets ordered by Homeland Security recently what other logical conclusion could there be? And don’t forget the millions of rounds of hollow-point bullets that were ordered by DHS.

I do know that Jesus Christ will protect us, but I can’t help but worry for my children’s lives……….

Kent, Godspeed and all of your Brothers and Sisters in Christ will keep you in our prayers.

Elainesaid

hey Kimberly! I think everyone of us here has wondered about him but IMHO, he just isn’t smart enough….he seems like a puppet or programmed robot who is too self centered to organize what the AC will be capable of. I really don’t think the AC will waste time playing golf! Evil does not want to relax! I think he is an underling to the real one.

Allysaid

Look guys, I am a miserable realist, kinda like Eeyore in Winnie the Pooh. Or as George Carlin once said “a cynic is a disappointed idealist”
Funny, the gospel message and the Bible is simple enough for a child to understand yet you can study it your while life and still not understand it all.
Its nice and important to go deep into the Word. But its just as important to stay firm in the basics!
Keep your eyes on Jesus! And you won’t sink!
And that works during earthquakes, troomovements, incoming space objects, aliens, incarcerations, posioned foods, chemtrails, forest fires, volcanic explosions and bigfoot. Also good for bills you cant pay, out of control teenagers, gang members, corrupt politicians, evil dictators etc. add prayer and voila!
By the way, when you guys figure out when Jesus is coming, please let him know!!!!!! Since he said even he doesn’t know lol
yeah, its getting close but we should be witnessing and living for him not arguing with each other.

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Regarding the debt, it is all PURPOSELY DONE to “implode” the economy
of the entire world. REASON: to bring in their New World Order.

And if they can get people financially destitute before then…all the better…
because STARVING people WITH NO GUNS are easier to control…
and they will settle in for anything that gives them “a little food” or hope.

The DEVIL has ZERO compassion !!!

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some other GREAT people to learn from are:

PerryStone.org…….You will love him!

ProphecyintheNews.com ……Gary Stearman…you will love him!

CalvaryChapelKaneohe.com………..J.D. Farag….you will love him!
…….*** Go to his Prophecy Update each week…very awesome!!!!
…….*** He is an ARAB of Lebanon…born over there…great insights!!!

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Last encouragement,
SPEND MUCH TIME IN THE WORD & RELY ON HOLY SPIRIT.

Kirk, it is my firm belief that the hitler’s and Stalin’s of the world are not AC material, but act as a shill for the devil. In other words, these evil men perform evil actions and the world rightfully opposes them. They are a catalyst for change towards unity of principal. So the REAL AC system is the league of nations, the united nations and finally to come, one nation under lucifer.

He will come as an.angel of light.

Kirk Domitrovicsaid

I was simply making them as an illustration that they could be
a “type” or shadow of the REAL ONE. Certainly, I do not feel they
will ever have the GLOBAL appeal as the REAL anti-CHRIST will.
The AC will be the “ultimate” deceiver…and quite possibly a Nephilim
Hybrid being. As things are, THE NATIONS are being prepared
to “receive” him as their “savior”…and same for ISRAEL. I just got
an email response from a RABBI today…and he is less saved
than my kitchen sink!! He does NOT accept JESUS as Messiah and
He would NOT even spell JESUS NAME nor answer several questions
regarding JESUS!!! So, the world is being “set up” to usher in
this “devil in skin” figure. AND THEY WILL WORSHIP HIM…

amaezedsaid

In this world we will (and do) have many tribulations, but the Bride of Christ will be spared the great Wrath (the Great Trib), as I understand it. When we think of how so many true martyrs ended their time on this earth, it seems like we’re usually focusing on how this kind of experience would be in the natural, what our mortal bodies might undergo.

But if we are called to the “ultimate” sacrifice, then I believe that we would be given an incredible SUPERNATURAL GRACE FOR THE MOMENT. For example, when the first stone hit Stephen (Acts chapter 7), what if he was so far into the “Glory Zone,” the Manifest Presence, that he might as well have been under divine anesthesia, so to speak. Look at how well he reacted and just kept his gaze on the Lord. His mortal body perished, but I don’t think that he suffered in the ways we imagine.

Once he made a decision for FAITH, NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCES, that was the tough part. Then he was more in the supernatural realm far more than he was “in the natural,” the physical realm. “ . . . they gnashed on him with their teeth.55 But he, being FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,” (Acts ch. 7 KJB)

When I’m exhausted or very sick (and feel that I need rest big-time), but then if suddenly I have an opportunity to testify or minister comfort, etc., then usually I suddenly get a very strong second wind “for the moment.” How much more Jesus could surprise and/or support me so supernaturally if I made really “tough” choices for His Glory. “Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in you.” (Psalms 56:3). And if I suffer, I trust that my Lord has purpose for it. Meanwhile, I want to stay as FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST as I can.

To God Be The Glorysaid

@ Amaezed I agree completely with you. Once we have determined in our heart to stand firm in the face of death, we’ll receive the grace we need right at that moment. Some saints have even rejected that grace, willing to endure the utmost sufferings in order to obtain a better ressurrection.

Heb 11;32
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, “not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection”

@Kimberly,
“I do know that Jesus Christ will protect us, but I can’t help but worry for my children’s lives……….”

I don’t know if this will be a comfort or not, but I remember watching a man on you tube who had been to Hell in vision, after contemplating suicide. I don’t know the name of the video or anything, but something that he said in a later video stuck with me. He said that the Lord has been showing him the last days. He said he saw his daughters very sick with others who were quaranteened in a separate area. He saw himself in vision trying to bring his daughters out of there, but he was denied. Then he saw himself in prison as a real prisoner, but many souls were being saved because he was preaching to them. As he was watching all of thistake place, when he saw his daughters taken away, the Lord spoke to him and said, “Do you love Me? Do you trust Me to take care of your daughters? I will need you at this time to minister My word in prison.”

What I learned from this and has stuck with me all this time, is that its about souls. We are all part of a much larger plan. We are soldiers on duty and if the Captain of our faith needs us, we have to be willing to go and to trust Him that He will take care of our affairs, as good as or better than we ever could have. Its very sobering to think about. But I know its the truth. We have to trust and obey, and somehow it will all work out. Not according to our perfect plans but His. Its when we resist the work of God or when we refuse to look and face reality square in the eye, that we get in trouble and may unwittingly interfere with the work of God.

Our faith in Him is extremely important, and we should be doing everything we possibly can to grow in our knowledge of God, and do what we can to increase our faith daily. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Truth is there in that book. Reality is there. Everything, every answer is found in that book, but without the Holy Spirit opening up our understanding, that book is dead, dead, dead.

Elainesaid

Wow, Amaezed!!!! You made me remember being in the emergency room when I broke my leg a few years ago……they couldn’t give anything for the pain until all the x rays etc. were done. My knee had hyper-extended (bent backwards) when I slipped and my fibula broke in mid air so there was major spraining knee and ankle and other stuff to go with the break. I was in great pain but as I lay on that gurney, I focused on Christ and went into a sort of deep prayer trance…..I am an artist and maybe that is why, but I was eyes closed in prayer and saw an amazing “light show” of flowing blues and rich lush greens in very soothing liquid motion. I am not describing it well, but I felt rocked in His arms and fairly pain free.
But every time my friend who followed the ambulance to be with me said anything to me….the least little distraction from thinking on my Lord, I suddenly saw jagged reds and yellows and the pain came back in unbelievable jolting craziness.

To God Be The Glorysaid

Something else I feel led to say is this. If the rapture were to take place next week and the Lord revealed to you and to me,that we had a choice, to go with His people and be spared anysuffering or would we be willing to stay behind for a while because He had need of us. Would we be willing to suffer things we wouldn’t have had to suffer, just because we love Him so much and He asked us to, or would we have to say,Lord I am not able to endure it, choose someone else?
I am not saying we have to go through tribulation, BUT what I am saying is this: Are we building ourselves up in the faith? Are we increasing in the knowledge of God? Are we becoming stronger daily? Are we just as “On fire” as we were when we were first saved? If we are not building ourselves up and strengthening ourselves, He can’t really use us. This is war! Jesus is our commander. We should be watching and in training, exercising our spiritual muscles. Learning from His Spirit how to be skillful in the word of God. Tearing down strongholds, and maintaining a living- working- alive relationship with the author and finisher of our faith. Some of us are strangers to Him, and Not ready. We don’t really know Him, and wouldn’t be able to hear a command from Him because the world is blasting its own song in our ears, and we don’t have the strength of will to turn it off. We arestill attached to this world and we are not ready.But if we love Him, we will do what it takes to get ready, because the time is short.Today is the day we can turn it all around. There is nothing more honorable for any created being, whether angel or man, than to be a vessel the Master can use whenever He has the need.
Lets strive to be that ready vessel, that willingly offers himself up and says,”Lord, Here I am,I’ve made myself ready, use me!”

Lisasaid

I like what you shared. I believe that as the bride of Christ, we will be taken out before the tribulation starts, however, that does not exclude us from daily tribulation or any type of distaster or calamity that may come. Many centuries of believers have endured many horrible things and sufferings for their faith and in whatever way, big or small, I believe we also will endure something before we go home. My oldest daughter had a dream several years ago that me and her and some of her friends from her Christian school and church were rounded up and taken somewhere like a warehouse and outside there was a platform and nooses that not only would hang a person but decapitate them at the same time. In her dream she saw them take one of her close friends and me out to the platform and they started to beat me and she said I didn’t make a noise but that her friend started to sing and worship next to me and then all that were in the warehouse looking out the windows seeing what was taking place began to worship as well and then they placed the noose on my neck. That was the end of the dream, so I guess I was a goner. Even though this sounds terrible I don’t feel frightened by it and if this country and world became so crazy that we say that type of thing happen here before the actual tribulation, I just pray that i would have that grace like in her dream to lay myself down. Even though I definately believe in the rapture before the tribulation, I think there are some people that hold that view too but only look to the blessings of God and not realize that we are called to suffering and to some extent, we will before we go home either in death or rapture. I have been a single mom and of course I struggle with daily things like finances, emotional support, etc., however, what about the believers in other countries whose husbands have been killed for their faith and the wives are left alone to fend for themselves and their children. I am no better than they. And no easy gospel of “JUST HAVE FAITH” and “Name it and Claim it” can help when you are in that spot. Sometimes the Lord just has us individually go through things that are hard and we have to have faith not necessarily to believe we can just get out of it but to let the Lord do to us as He will to perfect His holiness in us. We’re the clay, He’s the potter. We can’t tell Him how to mold us and no matter what process He uses, we usually complain to some extent, right? ha ha. Anyway, we all here believe in Him and love Him and that is the main thing. And I think you are so right on when you speak of the word being so important and that it is a book of reality. That is why it is so hard to get it into us sometimes. We as humans like our denial. I know I have so far to go, but I thank Him everyday that He has never let me go and will finish this work until He comes for me. Amen! God bless you and everyone here. You all bless me so much.

Kimberlysaid

This is one of the reasons I love this blog………and LA for all of the unwavering walks with our Saviour. I need to be more disclipined and not let the day to day issues bring me down and get caught up in this materialistic and pagan filled world we live in and call ‘life’.

And yes, everything we ever need will always be within our reach, in His Holy Scriptures.

I was thinking the same thing. Absolutely amazing testimonies of faith that chase away all fear. God bless you all. We have been blessed by God. May we hold steadfast for His glory, wherever that will find us. We can’t control how we go, but we can control who praise when we do.

I specifically stayed out of another of the on going saga of the rapture debate halfway up the comment section above. I firmly believe it is nothing we will ever agree on until it actually happens.

It is testimonials like the ones given above that I am most interested in today. The ones that affirm, whether glory through tribulation or grace from our hardships, we will give praise and lift up our voices to the Lord. There will be a falling away. May we all stand strong in the faith and lift each other up, until our Lord returns… Whenever that may be.

Elainesaid

Yea Hopeful!!!! I was just about to spout off myself about quitting the never ending debate! It is a distraction…..He has promised to come get us…..it matters not whether it is before during or after “the tribulation.”

issacsgmasaid

“President Obama could possibly be a soldier of satan or perhaps even an antichrist”

I heard prophecy expert John Hogue discussed the prophecies of Nostradamus on Coast to Coast a few night back and he suggested Obama could indeed be in the mix of one known as “Mabus” (antichrist)
Since Nostradamus predicted events up to 1,800 years from now, Hogue was skeptical that we are living in the proverbial end times, though conceded that a “reboot of the motor of history” is upon us.

I believe calling out Obama as the antichrist is giving him way too much credit…the man is just not that intelligent.

To God Be The Glorysaid

1 Cor 9;27
“But I “keep under”my body and bring it into subjection lest that by any means when I have preached to others I myself should be a castaway”

“keep under” means: To beat black and blue;
to smite so as to cause bruises and livid spots

(the severity of Paul’s words, reminds me of when Jesus said cut off your hand if it causes you to sin. Paul and Jesus teach us to treat sin with extreme severity but preachers today pay no attention to it.)

castaway means= rejected

Romans 8;14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live

So Eyes, No, you’re not going to watch any of that today, today the TV stays off!Yes even Fox news! Yes even Bill O’Riiely

No Ears, You’re not going to listen tothat music you already know God hates, neither are you going to listen to any gossip today.Not even “christian gossip”

Mouth, Today you’re going to stop eating ‘fun food’ you know is making you sick and causing expensive doctor bills Also today you will refrain from slandering your brother or sister in Christ.Rather today you will praise the Lord as loudly as your family allows you to!

No hands, Not today and not anymore. You’re going to stay out of mischief today. Youre going to take that excess energy and plant a garden or help a neighbor, or clean your house, yard and garage. Whatever you must do to stay out of mischief, today you will do.

Nose, today you’re going to stick yourself in the Bible. Get used to it because thats where you’ll be spending you time from now on.! You don’t control me, but I control you and tell you what to do. Praise the Lord!

Romans 8;14
” For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God”
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Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

moonpieeyessaid

IMO, the thrust of the Christian matter, is to be ready at the twinkling on an eye for the Lord’s return, period. A person’s ‘last trumpet’ IMO, is when they take their last breath, and we better be ready to face the JUDGE.