“Little boy responds with unexpected pain while being scared straight on the Jenny Jones show”

When Jenny Jones brought former Marine Raymond Moses onto her show back in 1998 to help talk (and maybe scare) some sense into a few juvenile hellions, no one expected one of the little troublemakers to become this poignantly honest about his feelings…

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I seriously have been devastated by this video! Although I have had a Father he hasn’t been much of a Father figure to me and I know this boys pain, as a youth I grew up a bit naughty and although am a successful businessman now with 2 kids of my own I also care for and am a father to 2 girls my Girlfriend had, I’ve been there “Dad” for 5 years now and when I see this although a part of me break inside and longs for a Father, I feel it is too late for that and I find myself still even now reaching out to older Father figures.

This makes me wonder if there is a charity or organisation that’s been set up for this, after a quick search on Google I didn’t find anything, but after finding God in my life I feel there could be room for some sort of Charity that can be setup to care for kids or men that want to have a Father figure and just don’t have the outlet for one.

I think that deep inside we never grow up, never get over being or feeling let down as a child and that resentment and loss builds a hole in us that we can’t fill. Sometimes even the Lord isn’t enough, sometimes we just need to be held and told it’s OK by a “Father” if your Mother is the only one that wonderful but there’s nothing like a “Father Pride”.

My Son and I are on the profile image of this new Facebook Page I just set up to see if I can help any children locally connect with some “Father Figures” as part of our Church outreach program.

I think it’s a fabulous idea and much good could come from it, but unfortunately in today’s world you could also open yourself up for tremendous liability. Just be careful, all you need is for one pervert to slip past the radar and a child to be harmed and all your good work could be destroyed. Good Luck!

As someone who grew up without a daddy too, I would have loved if someone had cared enough to offer to be there. This made me cry immediately. I really hope that marine followed through. I really really hope.

A feminist is, by definition, someone who advocates social, political, and economic rights for women. Seeing as how you’ve exercised your social right to free speech, I think you might be a feminist and by your own admission you are not needed.

Feminists have spend the last 4 decades trying to convince women that they do not need men – you’ve heard that little trope about fish and bicycles, right? Little boys like in the video are the result of that campaign. Their other pet campaign does not even allow little boys like that to be born.

And sorry, feminists did not give me the right of free speech or any other right. I have no use for them at all.

Feminists are NOT the reason so many children in this nation lack daddies in their lives. Lack of respect for marriage is. Divorce is. Sex between two people barely committed to each other is. Men who run off at the first sign of commitment… those are the reasons we have so many broken families and children being raised with no father or very little fatherly involvement in their lives. If the idea of commitment between two people through thick and thin, regardless of how hot you are for each other at the moment, hadn’t been thrown to the ground and stomped upon in America, then we wouldn’t have as much of a problem with single mothers raising children.

(Note: in cases of abuse, I definitely advocate for getting out. But in most other cases – get counseling, do whatever you need to do to at least TRY to stick it out.)

Michelle, I totally agree with you about those problems, but you know who campaigned and advocated for easy divorce, casual sex, and the idea that marriage and men were not necessary? Yeah … that’s it. Feminists. And not only do we have these sad little kids as a result, we have epidemic STDs, broken families, abusive partners/spouses and parents, little regard or respect for life … and nothing good to show for it.

Feminists like to have people believe they are only about “equal rights” … but they aren’t even about that. Not anymore.

They earned their bad name all on their own. Perhaps you should read up on all that they advocate and promote … and yes, that’s mainstream feminism. I was once upon a time under the delusion that they are about equal rights and opportunities … then I started to dig deeper and found the dark, ugliness that they really are.

Lissa, this is what I’m talking about. What feminism used to be, that is how I live, the idea that women should be equal, not that we are above, not that we take over. Just like every other ideal out there feminism is skewed, I agree, but I am talking about the dictionary definition. It is not feminism that is the problem, it is the crazy people who do things in the name of feminism.

It’s not about “not needing men,” it’s about combating the idea that women can only define themselves through a man. The idea that a woman’s whole purpose in life is to FIND a man, then pop out babies and be a housewife. That anything she may want instead is irrelevant. The entire point is to allow everyone the same choices and freedom to choose in their lives.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the men who can’t be bothered to man up and be fathers/husbands, rather than re-hashing the delusional Pat Roberts version of what Feminism supposedly is.

Well said! I mean Lissa is trying to pin an awful lot of problems on militant, angry, man-hating feminists. Stereotype much?

A boy without a father usually just has his father to blame for that one. A father is a grown (at least enough to make babies) adult who makes his own choices, good or bad. He has the freedom to go see his child (barring any abuse/restraining order type of extenuating circumstances). Imagine how ridiculous it would sound if a deadbeat dad was asked why he never visits/calls/sees his kid and his answer was “Not my fault. I haven’t seen my kid because of feminists!”

So, what about the women who WANT to support their husbands, have babies and raise them themselves as stay at home mothers? Are you implying that is a “lesser” station in life? Are you saying that implies the woman is uneducated, unresourceful, unable to contribute to society, and a waste of a life? Proverbs Ch. 31. Take a good look at it. Seems she was an honored woman, wife, and ran her own business and investments.

(Replying to myself, since there is no option to reply to Stating The Obvious, for some reason.)

It would seem you ignored or missed the point of my post entirely, in favor of putting words in my mouth. The point is CHOICE. If a woman CHOOSES to be a housewife and raise children, that’s great, and nobody should put her down for it. The idea is that she shouldn’t feel -compelled- to do so by societal pressure. No one should. If a woman wants to be a stay at home mom OR dedicate herself to a career, there should be no stigma either way. Similarly, if a man wants to stay home and raise kids or have a career, the choice should be 100% free.

It’s about defeating the idea that women MUST stay home and raise kids, not about taking a shot at housewives, even if some feminists do this themselves.

I am saying this for my daughter and grandson, it is not about a woman feeling they dont need a man, i have taught my daughter to stand strong on her own two feet just in case, i come from a very strong loving family and yes long marriage and this is what my children believe in but the father of my grandson felt harming his wife and doing drugs was more important. he is now in jail my grandson dont have him as a father figure, it was my daughters brother who at the time that baby was born was only 16, but he stepped in to be that strong male figure, and has been just as committed to the well being, physically, emotionally and socially as is his mother. we are a tight family and my grandson has a daddy that loves him now but he also knows how important all role models are in the kids future and my grandson is lucky to have a great mommy, daddy, uncle and grandma and grampa. So I say this it is all about family and the love of that family, even if there are two mommies or two daddies as long as that child has love and family (which can be friends) well than that is what will shape the child.

I am saying this for my daughter and grandson, it is not about a woman feeling they dont need a man, i have taught my daughter to stand strong on her own two feet just in case, i come from a very strong loving family and yes long marriage and this is what my children believe in but the father of my grandson felt harming his wife and doing drugs was more important. he is now in jail my grandson dont have him as a father figure, it was my daughters brother who at the time that baby was born was only 16, but he stepped in to be that strong male figure, and has been just as committed to the babies, well being, physically, emotionally and socially as is his mother. we are a tight family and my grandson has a new daddy that loves him now but he also knows how important all role models are in the kids future and my grandson is lucky to have a great mommy, daddy, uncle and grandma and grampa. So I say this it is all about family and the love of that family, even if there are two mommies or two daddies as long as that child has love and family (which can be friends) well than that is what will shape the child.

I AGREE!!!! It is definitely a huge reason why we are raising boys to remain boys. They have watched their mother do everything and constantly speak about how they don’t need their fathers and I CAN DO IT ON MY OWN!!! Now we have a country with more single parent homes than married because our boys don’t know how to be a real man. Not totally the reason but a huge contribution is definitely because of the I can do it alone attitude.

Don’t even bother, guys. She’s a lost cause, she has Stockholm syndrome, and is in love with the bigoted views that hold her hostage. I have often wished there were a different word, like ‘humanism’, to stop people like her trying to skew the ideal of everyone being equal (bloody hell, how hard is that to grasp?), by saying women want to be better, to have more, to denigrate men. It isn’t about not needing men, it is about not needing to be defined by men. I need my husband, but that doesn’t mean that without him I am nothing.

when asked if I’m a feminist, I answer “no, I’m a peoplist; I think men have been just as repressed and told how they should be/act as women have”. I started answering this way in the 70s and, though things have changed some, I still do.

I love this video because it’s sad to see why he really was misbehaving.. but I never had a dad my whole life and did nothing wrong.. but I guess because I’m a female and had my mom she raised all 4 kids by herself and yes I have a brother but he never did anything wrong too. Could be because the kids he hung out with as well never know but I do adore this video because of what he admitted :)

So sad, I wonder what happened to him? I hope this had a happy ending. But Lissa, what do feminists have to do with it? Feminists are fighting for equality for women which may someday mean equal pay for women, equal treatment in the workplace and in society and a real voice for women. This single mother has benefited from feminists who fight for people like her (and you) every day. They also get called names, are disparaged and ridiculed for fighting for justice. Without feminists you wouldn’t be able to vote. Sure there are radicals out there but ignore them and be grateful for the rest.

Ahhh my favorite thing about 22 words. Someone has to ruin a beautiful/learning moment with their politics. Lissa, I don’t even know where to begin with telling you everything that’s incorrect about your statements but it doesn’t matter. You’re not here for an open discussion, your mind is already made up and I feel sorry for you.

Hey, stop ruining beautiful learning moments with your opinions on politics. I can’t begin to tell you what is wrong with your statement – other than that retortion works beautifully on it, therefore demonstrating that it’s inherently flawed; but you’re not here for an open discussion – your mind is made up. I don’t feel sorry for you, though. This is the internet. This is what happens on the internet. Self-refutation abounds.

Only when given such wonderful examples of illogic! You must be fun at parties too. Comments like yours were made for comments like mine. Take this example: Opinion 1 is offered. Opinion 2 “refutes” Opinion 1. Unfortunately, Opinion 2 is *actually* a mere assertion, and in fact, refutes itself! (Technically, the term is “self-referential”. In this case, it is a performative inconsistency; ie: that the statement itself is an example of what is being supposedly denied.) Opinion 3 (or even Opinion 1, to make it even more enjoyable) points out this fact, and Opinion 2 attempts a witty reply, which really doesn’t answer the counter in any meaningful fashion, but, I’m sure, plays well at parties (and comment sections everywhere) – for entertainment. I think that about sums it up. I know, I know, the big meanie. Unfortunately, I went and learned logic and stuff. Silly me. I know, I know, this is the internet, where logic is inapplicable. Ignore me.

The boy’s admission that he doesn’t have a father seemed to have broken the marine’s heart, judging by the way he immediately stooped and hugged him. If the boy had a loving father in his life, he probably wouldn’t have ever needed to be on this show to get help. So I imagine he was taking him backstage away from the cameras and the audience to comfort him. Which seems like exactly the right thing for him to do, instead of leaving the boy out there to be further traumatized.

If I had to make a guess (and that’s all it is) The marine took the boy back stage to allow him (the boy) to express his feelings without having to expose all of his fears to the whole world. In other words the marine respected the boys right to privacy.

Can we just focus on thetopic—-the boy??? I really would like to know what happened to him. And for the record, I think he was taken off stage so that they could talk…there was so much emotion in both of their faces.

I want to know the rest of the story. What did the marine do when they went back stage? Did they spend time together in the following years?

The problem with these families is the lack of God in their lives. If people put God in their lives, the moms would not have one night stands, the fathers would stick around and be committed to their families, and the parents would use proper discipline to raise their children to be obedient and respectful and teach their children to follow in God in their daily lives.

I hope that little boy found a man to be his father figure. Young men need fathers and father figures in their lives today. As a former Scoutmaster in the BSA and youth leader in the Mormon church, i know how vital it is for young men to have male role models.

Regarding the “SADDEST BOY EVER” video, I’m sorry to say I have not been able to locate him. I’ve looked at whatever show records I have and cannot find that exact show or any names. I have also reached out to former producers but no one has been able to help. We routinely paid to send boys to boot camp but this boy would have been too young to go. I have put out word at every opportunity that if anyone recognizes this family from the video to please contact me through this website, on my facebook page, or my youtube channel. So far no one has claimed to know them or to be them. I, too, would love to know how this little boy is doing today (he would be an adult by now). I do hear from quite a few former guests with updates on their lives but never this family. I’m aware that the video has been seen by millions of people but there is nothing else I can do to find him. I’m still hoping someone will recognize him or his mother and contact me. I would be thrilled if that happens and will certainly share the information if it ever comes.

and…

Jenny Jones

November 21, 2013 at 10:38 am

We taped more than 2,000 shows over 12 years and there was information (name, address, etc.) taken on every guest. Since the show was owned by Telepictures, all of those records were retained by them and when I asked, I was told they were put into storage. There really is nothing else I can do to locate this family. I wish I could.

Another post identifies the boot camp instructor as Raymond Moses. Perhaps he can be located, since the family seems to have disappeared.

The most recent thing.that I could find was http://www.jennyjones.com/myblog/?p=580 from 2010 on Jenny Jones’ blog nd she wasn’t sure how to find him, but if anyone knew him or his family, to let her know!

I am sure in my mind what happened backstage. I believe a man without tears is a man without a heart, and since Marines have BIG hearts, some BIG tears flowed. And not wanting the audience to drown he walked back stage.

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