kxs401:It was a stupid thing to do, but goddamn has the military worship in this country gotten out of control.

I don't think so....She didn't even have a point other than to shiat on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

I visited there once. There are certain places and situations where you should shut up and show some respect and that is one of them. Some poor bastard went to war and died in the service of his country. It's something that every soldier in our military might be asked to do at some point.

You can complain all you want about our foreign policy and how we've fought unjust wars but the grunt on the ground is the one who didn't make those decisions and he (or she) is there doing his (or her) best and often sacrificing their life.

Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.

This lady deserves the criticism. Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

Meh, it's not like she is doing anything really offensive like shiatting on the sign or something, taking a 2 second picture where you're fake screaming with your middle finger up where you shouldn't be is just like so crazy you guys. I'm more disturbed by the fact she seems to think she is being truly edgy and really defying authority. She strikes me as someone who is incredibly vapid and wouldn't want to stand up to actual authority lest they pepper spray her and beat her with billy clubs.

What exactly did I say in that post that was either "dumb" or being an "asshole"?

Aren't you the proud drunk driver?

Yeah - I'm proud to say I can drive with a 0.05 BAC and not kill anyone or cause any accidents, unlike many sober people.

Are you one of those people who thinks the legal limit should be 0.0 BAC? Are you one of those people who thinks drivers should be allowed to run red lights and change lanes without looking so long as they haven't had a drop to drink?

No, I'm one of those people who thinks you're a stupid asshole who constantly spouts off about sh*t he knows nothing about.

There's a time and a place to do stupid shiat and joke around, and Arlington doesn't qualify for either. It's a big, huge, wide open world and there's plenty of places for her to be her douchetastic self instead of here, where people come to pay respects to their family members.

It is awfully hard to imagine being in the vicinity of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and somehow also feeling in a joking mood. It's a pretty moving place. That said, she obviously wants to be Sarah Silverman while also holding a day job, and she'll be judged for her actions. That may end up being more than she bargained for.

Slaxl:It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.

I'm not sure how to explain it. Why did I get a very weird creepy feeling when I drove past Dachau in Germany? I'm not even Jewish. Dachau and Arlington are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination but like I said earlier there are some places where you should just shut up and show some respect.

The reason I didn't stop and visit Dachau was because I didn't want to think about it. I just wanted to get away from it, but imagine if you will the outrage that would have happened if this coont had visited Dachau and done the same thing. At the same time, let's put the outrage in perspective. This isn't making national headlines. It's not news, it's Fark.

What if she had done the same to a national symbol of another country? Wiped her ass with the Union Jack while standing in front of Buckingham Palace? Some people might have a problem with that.

Maybe it's not quite as bad as holding a punk rock prayer in the most important church in the nation which is probably why she's not being sent to a gulag, but she deserves every ounce of ridicule and loathing that she is getting.

It might have been different if she had a point, but she wasn't protesting US foreign policy - she just wanted to take a shiat on a grave that is very a revered and solemn place in the US. .

kxs401:The reactions to the picture were another example of the out-of-control military worship in this country, just like your moronic response was another example of how f*cking clueless you are.

Can you explain to the class how anything I said was "moronic" or "dumb" or "f*cking clueless"?

So you have a problem with the military. I get that. But I would point out again that the average GI or even most officers have nothing to do with foreign policy or which wars they are ordered to fight in.

Most Americans never go to Arlington. That's cool with me. This girl did go to Arlington and she let the world know that she was giving a big "f*ck you" to everyone who ever served in the military.

Happy Hours:Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.

My father was in Vietnam when I was born, and he spent 25 years in the military raising a family of five boys and a wife on a serviceman's salary.

tenpoundsofcheese:Ant: Nofun: Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

I didn't see where the article said anything about vandalism. All I see is a picture of her with her mouth open and her middle finger extended. She could be yawning and pointing at something for all we know.

ds615:Her ability to do that, and talk about it, is exactly what all those guys died for.So it's a really powerful confirmation that they gave their lives for something.

Silencing her, or telling her she shouldn't have done that, is the same thing as telling all those soldiers that they died for nothing. That their lives were a waste.

I don't think that would be very nice.

Yet another dumbass who doesn't understand what free speech actually means. No one is using the force of the federal government to silence or imprison her. That is what the First Amendment protects against. She has every right to express herself the way she did. That same freedom gives everyone else the right to express that she is a pathetic, self-indulgent, immature coont who should STFU.

The_Sponge:Mid_mo_mad_man: Last time I check this was a free country and while maybe not in good taste she harmed no one doing this. Btw it's interesting that fark calls this disrespectful when the cemetery was founded as a f$&k you

Exactly.....she exercised her free speech rights, and I get to exercise mine by calling her a miserable coont.

This. Free speech does not mean freedom from hearing what others think about your free speech.

kxs401:It was a stupid thing to do, but goddamn has the military worship in this country gotten out of control.

It's not "military worship" to show a little goddamn respect once in a while. Don't respect the military? That's fine. At least have a little consideration for the grieving widow/orphaned child who is there to visit the last resting place of someone they love. That doesn't require worship of any sort, just a little common human decency.

jesus christ. I just clicked through the links in TFA that link to her employer's facebook page and the people there are just screaming, demanding an apology from this chick's employer and it got me thinking:

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Seriously. This was a stupid kid making a stupid mistake like stupid kids tend to do and yet the internet is bound and determined to ruin the lives and livelihoods of everyone even remotely connected to this girl.

It's not like she killed anyone. It's not like she stole anything or committed a hate crime or any crime for that matter. She just took a stupid goofy picture and put it on her facebook page. I have profound respect for the military, especially those that gave their lives, but it's not like she was defacing tombstones or urinating on graves.

To those of you who are posting on her boss's page and commenting publicly about this: who do you think you are that you're entitled to harass her employers who had nothing to do with it and generally fark up this girl forever? It must be nice to have never done anything immature before. You're just being judgmental dicks.

It was a stupid thing to do, but all the people saying she should be fired are wrong. Free speech protects even the speech we find particularly objectionable. Ironically, that's one of the things the unknown soldier died for.

Happy Hours:kxs401: It was a stupid thing to do, but goddamn has the military worship in this country gotten out of control.

I don't think so....She didn't even have a point other than to shiat on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

I visited there once. There are certain places and situations where you should shut up and show some respect and that is one of them. Some poor bastard went to war and died in the service of his country. It's something that every soldier in our military might be asked to do at some point.

You can complain all you want about our foreign policy and how we've fought unjust wars but the grunt on the ground is the one who didn't make those decisions and he (or she) is there doing his (or her) best and often sacrificing their life.

Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.

I've noticed before that you were a dumb asshole. Aren't you the proud drunk driver?

I'm a clergyman, and I'm not offended by the YMCA picture. They are not standing in the Sistine chapel doing it.

I'm a veteran, and I'm deeply offended by what Ms. Stone did. Actions have consequences, and symbols and gestures have meaning - even if the actor is too ignorant or immature to recognize them. No matter how she feels about our foreign policy or the military, it is the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform that made it possible for her to lead the kind of privileged, entitled life that turned her into a spoiled, arrogant, self-professed "douchebag." Ms. Stone's behavior shows that she is a callow, ill-bred, selfish child without any of the character or integrity of the servicemembers whom she so thoughtlessly insulted. She represents the very worst of her generation. The Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines represent the very best.

I'll cop to being way b*tchier than I should have, but I do stand by my point. What she did was disrespectful and not nearly as funny or edgy as she thought it was, but the level of outrage because she happened to do it in Arlington is emblematic of a larger problem in America today. When every person at all associated with the military is an OMGHERO! it cheapens actual heroic actions.

For the record, my dad retired when I was 16 after 20 years as a Naval officer. During my life as a public school student, we moved every year or two and I attended 12 different public school. I have a healthy level of respect for the military.

protectyourlimbs:I did not know all this but really, because she offended people she should be fired?

Why is that even a question? Because of her actions, the non-profit organization at which she works is now forever (as far as the Internet goes) linked to "that bird-flipping moron at Arlington." Every time someone searches for Living Independently Forever, Inc., her stupid stunt is going to come up.

It's probably a moot point. The two of them have been placed on unpaid leave, and I think the non-profit is hoping it'll blow over. If & when it doesn't, I'm betting at least one of them (the moron featured in the picture) will be fired.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.

This, really, is what it boils down to - if I managed to do something this stupid while at work, in public, while representing my company, I'd be getting a visit from a friendly HR representative, complete with empty cardboard box and security escort.

You're quite welcome to be an asshole on your own time. Don't do it on someone else's dime, unless that's why they're paying you.

Happy Hours:I visited there once. There are certain places and situations where you should shut up and show some respect and that is one of them. Some poor bastard went to war and died in the service of his country. It's something that every soldier in our military might be asked to do at some point.

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You can complain all you want about our foreign policy and how we've fought unjust wars but the grunt on the ground is the one who didn't make those decisions and he (or she) is there doing his (or her) best and often sacrificing their life.

Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.

All those women on the beaches of Normandy. Never forget their sacrifice.

And this chick is scum. You can respect the soldiers and disagree with the suits that send them to war. It's pretty much the default position, or should be.

greenboy:protectyourlimbs: get over it, it was meant to be funny even if it wasnt, if you could have her arrested and beaten for doing something disrespectful you would have dont more damage to that tomb than she could ever have...

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funniest picture i have seen in a while.

Love that pic, has nothing to do with any anti or pro religion statements to me, just funny...

Happy Hours:Slaxl: It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.

I'm not sure how to explain it. Why did I get a very weird creepy feeling when I drove past Dachau in Germany? I'm not even Jewish. Dachau and Arlington are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination but like I said earlier there are some places where you should just shut up and show some respect.

The reason I didn't stop and visit Dachau was because I didn't want to think about it. I just wanted to get away from it, but imagine if you will the outrage that would have happened if this coont had visited Dachau and done the same thing. At the same time, let's put the outrage in perspective. This isn't making national headlines. It's not news, it's Fark.

What if she had done the same to a national symbol of another country? Wiped her ass with the Union Jack while standing in front of Buckingham Palace? Some people might have a problem with that.

Maybe it's not quite as bad as holding a punk rock prayer in the most important church in the nation which is probably why she's not being sent to a gulag, but she deserves every ounce of ridicule and loathing that she is getting.

It might have been different if she had a point, but she wasn't protesting US foreign policy - she just wanted to take a shiat on a grave that is very a revered and solemn place in the US. .

When I visited Dachau (in 2001), I walked in and just had a sense that it was a place to be quiet. No one said anything about it, there were no signs requesting silence, it was just a feeling that the entire group of us had. Then we saw a man filming his son pretending to choke to death in the gas chambers. I never truly wept for humanity untiil that moment.

I would not do this out of respect for not the military, but for those that gave their lives. I support her right to do what she wants as long as it's not illegal, but then, posting this shiat on facebook, the girl deserves what she gets.

I'm a far-left liberal and a lifelong Democrat and I have zero use for hyper-patriotic flag-waving name-callers. But as a combat veteran myself, and the son and grandson of career army officers, I have to say, this photo kind of puts me off. My Dad, who was a New Deal liberal Democrat (and who even voted for McGovern) wouldn't have approved, either.

OTOH, the people who are complaining to her employer, fer chrissakes, are just being assholes. Those True Patriots demanding she be punished by losing her job because she was photographed acting like a tasteless idiot had better be damn sure their own glass houses are safe.

/if this had been Nixon's tomb, I would have no problem with it//or LBJ///or Reagan

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus:Seriously, you humorless assholes need to relax. She is making fun of the sign, because the sign is obviously not needed in such a place. Casting the sign in bronze seems to imply humanity will never understand the need for civility and respect near the tomb, and such an insult needs to be mocked. That's okay, I understand y'all are just sexually frustrated and any hot girl reminds you of your constant rejection, so hate away.

And you'd also think that companies that make clothes irons don't need to put the warning "Do not iron while wearing shirt" but:

The simple fact is, someone at some point was loud and showing disrespect, thus requiring the sign. Did they want to have to put up such an obvious sign? No, but obviously some people are, and always will be, douchebags.

MFK:jesus christ. I just clicked through the links in TFA that link to her employer's facebook page and the people there are just screaming, demanding an apology from this chick's employer and it got me thinking:

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Seriously. This was a stupid kid making a stupid mistake like stupid kids tend to do and yet the internet is bound and determined to ruin the lives and livelihoods of everyone even remotely connected to this girl.

The vengeance vulture culture: Not just for murderers, rapists, and pedophiles anymore.

Slaxl:It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.

She's going to lose her job over this. That's what's wrong with America in a nutshell right there.

She is an idiot, but it isn't like the majority of our country really has all this mad respect for soldiers anyways. It's all lip service and manipulation by those controlling them.

The same people who still view the Iraq war as justified are the first people who will throw a hissy fit over fast and furious. Meanwhile I was told I hated the troops because I didn't want our country to start wars and nation-building operations and now I get told things like I don't value lives because I don't see F&F as the greatest issue of them all.

Question for all the people vilifying this woman: Do you GENUINELY think that her intent with this picture is to give a big "FARK YOU!" to all the military and the people who died for this country? Like, she went to Arlington, suddenly realized how much she hates dead soldiers, then said to her husband "Get a pic of me one finger saluting these dead arseholes. Hey, then I'll post it to Facebook so the world can see how much I hate them!"

velvet_fog:It was a stupid thing to do, but all the people saying she should be fired are wrong. Free speech protects even the speech we find particularly objectionable. Ironically, that's one of the things the unknown soldier died for.

Private business. If your employee acts like an ass on the internet (and that ass-like behavior is in public view for everyone to see), the company has every right to fire you because you're misrepresenting them.

Nofun:This lady deserves the criticism. Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/the right to say whatever you want doesn't include the right not to bear the consequences of saying whatever you want

Confabulat:Happy Hours: Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.

My father was in Vietnam when I was born, and he spent 25 years in the military raising a family of five boys and a wife on a serviceman's salary.

He's dead now, but he would have had a good chuckle over that photo.

My grandfather was in Korea. A lot of his friends died. He would not have chuckled.

It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.