Posted by thinair on 5/3/2013 11:08:00 AM (view original):Yeah it's not even close really. He without a doubt had the best game imo for the winning team.

I guess you didn't see Ursey's stats

What's so outstanding about Ursey's stats? The 1 rebound, the 1 assist, the 1 steal? Sure he had 13 points, but what else stands out so much? The only other guy I would even consider besides Jacobs is Johnny Carpenter and his 4 turnovers pretty much disqualifies him. Hell, for my money Billy Viveros had just as good of a game as Ursey, if not better. Really interested in hearing why you think Ursey's numbers are so special?

For what it's worth, looking closely, I think the right guy was chosen.

Jacobs assists led to 17 points! Three times the player got fouled on the made field goal and then made the free throw attempt. On top of that he scored 5 points. He is responsible for 22 points in only 17 minutes. His turnover did lead to field goal too, so maybe you want to credit him with only 20 points responsible. That is good enough for me to take home the POTG. Then again, I know nothing about basketball and its stats in real life.

Posted by thinair on 5/3/2013 11:08:00 AM (view original):Yeah it's not even close really. He without a doubt had the best game imo for the winning team.

I guess you didn't see Ursey's stats

What's so outstanding about Ursey's stats? The 1 rebound, the 1 assist, the 1 steal? Sure he had 13 points, but what else stands out so much? The only other guy I would even consider besides Jacobs is Johnny Carpenter and his 4 turnovers pretty much disqualifies him. Hell, for my money Billy Viveros had just as good of a game as Ursey, if not better. Really interested in hearing why you think Ursey's numbers are so special?

For what it's worth, looking closely, I think the right guy was chosen.

with his 1 field goal made?

1 assist counts for the same number of points as 1 fg, doesn't it?

I'm not going to go in and read the pbp, but assuming each assist was only for a 2 pointer, Jacobs accounts for 19 points. Ursey account for 15. But Jacobs also had 3 steals, while Ursey did nothing else of value.

Posted by thinair on 5/3/2013 11:08:00 AM (view original):Yeah it's not even close really. He without a doubt had the best game imo for the winning team.

I guess you didn't see Ursey's stats

Did you read any of this thread?

and you still haven't seen his stats?

We'll just chalk it up to matter of opinion, but simply put I believe that you are using criteria that has never nor ever will be considered to determine who is the player of the game. Not in whatif or real life.

Posted by yanks250125 on 5/4/2013 1:40:00 PM (view original):you probably also think Carmelo was the POG instead of Shumpert last night.

And me thinking a distributor should be the player of the game leads you to that assumption how? I just waved a white flag more or less and you come back with a diss. Whatifsports is getting cold. People can't even have a discussion anymore without someone claiming an opinion as fact.

i think people in general over value offense, and in particular, scoring (really in all sports, but basketball probably more so than others. way more that football, and i think baseball too, but maybe not hockey... IMO of course). theres a lot more "glamor" to scoring 20 points than preventing 20 points on the other side of the floor. i personally think the assist/steals guy should have gotten the award, but in real life, i dont think he would. i think either view point is reasonable though...

Sure, if we agree to not count anything else that happened in the game. It's not all about scoring. If it was a big with 15 boards, 3 blocks, and 5 points, would that be in the running for the worst POG award?

This is ridiculous that this topic is getting people (okay, one person) angry enough to insult people.

I think there should be a new thread about rules of the forums.

Rule 1: having a differing opinion is not allowed
Rule 2: the first opinion offered in a thread will be deemed as the *correct* opinion and all subsequent opinions must be proven absolute before being accepted as a valid opinion, and therefore accepted as the new opinion.

Posted by milwood on 5/4/2013 8:39:00 PM (view original):Sure, if we agree to not count anything else that happened in the game. It's not all about scoring. If it was a big with 15 boards, 3 blocks, and 5 points, would that be in the running for the worst POG award?

This is ridiculous that this topic is getting people (okay, one person) angry enough to insult people.

I think there should be a new thread about rules of the forums.

Rule 1: having a differing opinion is not allowed
Rule 2: the first opinion offered in a thread will be deemed as the *correct* opinion and all subsequent opinions must be proven absolute before being accepted as a valid opinion, and therefore accepted as the new opinion.

Sheesh

Ha ha. Hey, you better note that this was sarcastic before half the crowd goes ballistic thinking you were serious.

Posted by mully1 on 5/4/2013 8:04:00 PM (view original):If we cannot agree if it was the correct choice can we at least agree that 1FG made and 5 total points is the worst POG anyone has seen in HD?

Sure, we COULD agree with that if he did not have 7 assists, 1 turnover, and 3 steals.

Anthony Davis was the NCAA 2011 Championship MVP ... the box score:

NAME

MIN

FGM-A

3PM-A

FTM-A

OREB

REB

AST

STL

BLK

TO

PF

PTS

Terrence Jones, F

29

4-7

0-1

1-2

1

7

0

1

2

2

4

9

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, F

35

4-7

0-1

3-4

2

6

1

0

1

1

2

11

Doron Lamb, G

35

7-12

3-6

5-6

1

2

3

0

0

1

2

22

Anthony Davis, F

36

1-10

0-0

4-6

4

16

5

3

6

3

2

6

Marquis Teague, G

34

5-14

2-3

2-3

1

2

3

0

0

2

2

14

Eloy Vargas, F

3

0-0

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

0

0

1

0

Darius Miller, G

25

2-5

1-2

0-0

1

6

0

0

2

2

2

5

Kyle Wiltjer, F

3

0-1

0-1

0-0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

This would be the same sort of POG ... obviously, you would pick Lamb as the player of the game. Guess what, defense also matters.

From the recap:
"Davis, meanwhile, might have had the most dominating six-point night in the history of college basketball, earning the nod as the most outstanding player. He finished with 16 rebounds, six blocks, five assists and three steals -- and made his only field goal with 5:13 left in the game. It was a surefire illustration of how the 6-foot-10 freshman can exert his will on a game even on a rare night when his shot isn't falling."