Re: ん・ン

Aaargh! Your voice is repeating in my head!

That made me literally lol.

Do you happen to know an example that contrasts か゜ （鼻濁音） with a voiced velar fricative? The か゜ version is pretty easy as an English speaker; almost as easy as the English "ga", that is the hard "g" sound. Does the voiced velar fricative exist in casual English speech?

Thank you.

[edit] Also, what sort of impression does a speaker who uses か゜ （鼻濁音） give compared to the other versions?

Re: ん・ン

Faumdano wrote:

What about something closer to the sound of the English hard "g"? That is, is it acceptable? If so, how does the impression it gives differ from the softer, more nasal が?

I'm not certain, (because I haven't taken a comparative hearing test) but I think that English G (enough explode) is acceptable.a Voiced velar plosive and a Voiced velar fricative would be the allophon for native speakers of Japanese.

Re: ん・ン

Yours already sounds like you're doing the whole gradual rise across the word anyway. It sounds just fine to me if you're going for the "0" accent on all words but the last. Your tone on all but the last sounds more or less exactly the same as the way I said them. That is, a slight rise across the word.

Re: ん・ン

Yeah, I thought we sounded pretty similar. (Should be a good thing since you got １００点 This recording (done with my laptop's internal mic) strikes me as being a lot clearer than the ones I did earlier with the desktop's external stand-up mic. Weird.

Re: ん・ン

I think the problem is that you are pronouncing all of the が’ｓ at the very same pitch. The pitch of particles changes depending upon what precedes (and what follows?):

I believe it's just based on what's before it. Particles maintain the pitch of the previous mora unless the pitch drop on the preceeding word occurs after the last mora (e.g. 橋2.)

I've also posted some notes from a lecture I saw regarding pitch accent. Note that while I have a comment in there reads "just before る," I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "just before the last mora," however I decided to transcribe my notes verbatim.

Re: ん・ン

scout wrote:

I've also posted some notes from a lecture I saw regarding pitch accent. Note that while I have a comment in there reads "just before る," I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "just before the last mora," however I decided to transcribe my notes verbatim.