Indeed. If people just kept to the philosophy that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun and treat their guns accordingly, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

Every time a story like this comes up, I hate how they are called accidents. Since the answer to these three questions is almost certainly "yes", it should be classified as some form of homicide (at least manslaughter, if not some degree of murder) and prosecuted accordingly: was the gun loaded? was the gun pointed at the victim? was the shooter's finger on the trigger?

Given the basic rules of firearms safety, answering yes to those questions should show intent, IMNSHO, even though what it usually shows is stupidity and ignorance.

From TFA: Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system.

It's a shame they didn't have any pictures of the girl in TFA, but I loved the one where the wannabe cholo posed next to one of the other guys with the gun to HIS OWN HEAD and his finger on the trigger.

HotWingAgenda:It's a shame they didn't have any pictures of the girl in TFA, but I loved the one where the wannabe cholo posed next to one of the other guys with the gun to HIS OWN HEAD and his finger on the trigger.

Plus the lack of muzzle discipline. Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot and don't put your finger on the trigger till you are ready to shoot. And always treat a gun as if its loaded. Simple common sense.

Indeed. If people just kept to the philosophy that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun and treat their guns accordingly, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

Every time a story like this comes up, I hate how they are called accidents. Since the answer to these three questions is almost certainly "yes", it should be classified as some form of homicide (at least manslaughter, if not some degree of murder) and prosecuted accordingly: was the gun loaded? was the gun pointed at the victim? was the shooter's finger on the trigger?

Given the basic rules of firearms safety, answering yes to those questions should show intent, IMNSHO, even though what it usually shows is stupidity and ignorance.

From TFA: Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system.

Screw that. She should be charged with manslaughter anyway.

Probably the inference is that if there wasn't alcohol in her system she can't be charged, since there wouldn't have been enough fluid circulating to keep her brain functioning.