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I wasn't even aware Anders played that terrible game. But this is guilt by association. SA is a large community and people in the Games forum play lots of games together. I personally play ArmA 3, BF4, and Planetary Annihilation right now. I've also helped kickstart Star Citizen, and I'll play that too when it is released. I'm bound to play games with people who also play EVE at some point.

The point is that the vast majority of WoL hasn't played EVE, and has no plans to play EVE. Yet you are trying to blame us for something that an EVE player did.

Hopefully I won't be lynched for defending the other side, but the claims that they gave away the dude's personal information were exaggerated. they made his eve account public... that's a pretty big difference. Not saying the whole thing was't a dick move or anything, but the video tries to blow it out of proportion.

I thought I'd add a bit to what Brendan wrote in this article, as I believe a second angle -- one actually representing Massively itself -- needs to be expressed.

When I break down this whole fiasco down to the facts and figures, the issue is that The Mittani said something at Fanfest that offended some people (and was seen as breaking CCP's terms of service); later, he apologized, resigned from his CSM 6 chairman position, forfeited his CSM 7 chairman position, and received a 30-day ban from EVE Online.

In Brendan's original story on this, two things offended The Mittani: the use of his real name and the word "cyber-bullying." So let's break these down and figure out what went wrong here.

First off, The Mittani's real name was already on the internet as part of his CSM application and was mentioned on Massively over two years ago. Brendan surely didn't "reveal" The Mittani's real name, and when he did mention it in his article, it wasn't meant to uncover anything on the guy's real life in any malicious way.

Secondly, the use of the word cyber-bullying offended The Mittani, which I can agree with. No one wants a Google search of his name to turn up a word like that, and avoiding that cross-over into real life is completely understandable. That word has since been removed from the previously mentioned articles. We have a code of conduct at Massively, and one of the most important things is for us (writers and commenters) to avoid personal attacks on other writers, commenters, readers, players, etc. I hadn't read the original article until all of this was brought to my attention several days later, but as the site's Editor-in-Chief, I'm responsible for all content that graces our pages. So for not being aware of the code of conduct violation earlier and allowing it to be on the site in the first place,
I apologize to the readers of this site.

But that's where the apologies stop.

This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.

But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:

(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition.

Other news sites opted to take down or change the tone of their articles after pressure from the Goons, but that's not how we operate. The changes Brendan made to his post simply aligned his original news post with our code of conduct. When Brendan appeared on EVE Radio (something else I was not aware of at that time), he did not speak for Massively as a site. He mistakenly believed that he could debate a topic with a real-life lawyer in a live format. With the main two points (mentioned above) already addressed, the case is closed.

I've asked Brendan to take next week off from EVE Evolved (not as any sort of punishment), so you can look forward to a new installment that has nothing at all to do with The Mittani in two weeks.

[Update: Apparently this article is too long for some to read, so let me summarize by saying we're only apologizing to our readers for the code of conduct violation. No apology at all is given to the Goons. Please read the article.]

Wrong goons there, but I know they are nasty in EVE. The MWO ones are only out it seems to ruin the community outlook on the game by splashing comment sections with conspiracy theory bullshit. I have yet to see any of these guys act in this way yet, and let's just hope they don't go that far.

I'm not that knowledge in what they really are, but this is based on what I have already seen. That being said, your video only describes one extreme type of goon.

"Goons" are Something Awful users, or were initially. Goonsquad was the SA Corp in EVE. The goons in MWO are either part of a SA MWO community or are SA alumni who've wound up in this community. So MWO goons aren't necessarily EVE goons, they're just part of the same general culture.

This guy is The Mittani, a guy who runs a news service directed towards a goon audience. Not some random member of that group by a long shot, he's one of the most high profile goons. I'm pretty sure that at the time he did this, he was the leader of the goons.

The reason you probably weren't banned from r/mwo and probably won't be banned from here is because you act like you have brain damage and I imagine some people think it's funny to watch you caper and dance around in various threads. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also because you have this chip on your shoulder with goons, either.

They've destroyed nothing. All they've done is made people shift one foot to the left into a new subreddit. There are almost 1000 people already subscribed to this oddly named subreddit and discussion is probably better than it's ever been at /r/mwo. Only now we don't have absentee mods in the top 3 spots who can upset things down the road.

I actually think this was a positive development overall at their expense.