*****Post# 22002-9/12/2002-17:20 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Re: ABC-like wash action
MESSAGE: Thanks for the quick replies, guys! The washer was definitely a Kelvinator. I don't recall if it had a window or not. I just remember peeking in and seeing the entire agitator moving around the tub, rather than simply oscillating. This is a great site. My new home!

*****Post# 22003-9/12/2002-17:23 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Philco Wash Action
MESSAGE: OK, I'm the new guy here, so I'm going to be asking questions which may be very obvious to the rest of you, but... I saw someone's pix of an early '60's Philco washer. I didn't see agitator blades. How does it create its obviously vigorous wash action?

*****Post# 22006-9/13/2002-17:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Were Up (I Think)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the server's full hard drive has also erased our Classified Ads section completely. I don't have a backup of the recent ads, but I will get that system working again later.

One great advantage of the sandbox is we can still communicate even when Applianceville "proper" is down.

*****Post# 22007-9/13/2002-17:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Were Up (I Think) (IF YOU CANNOT LOG IN)
MESSAGE: I see quite a few password files that got corrupted. If you cannot login email me (unimatic1140@yahoo.com) with your password and I will fix them.

*****Post# 22008-9/13/2002-19:36 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Robert! Thanks for all your hard work!
MESSAGE: Robert,
That sounded like a task for you to get this up and running again.
Just wanted to say a BIG THANKS for all the hard work that you put into this after you got home!
I feel lost when I can't see everyone's chats!
Have a great weekend!
Brent

*****Post# 22010-9/13/2002-22:44 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: YAY
MESSAGE: A big Yay for your work Robert. Take a look at this billboard sign in Vancouver, it says it all. Hope the link works.
Another post to follow about a special finished project.
Eddy
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/ms_gyrator4/vwp?.dir=/51+GE+automatic+washer&.src=ph&.dnm=a+billboard+sign+in+Van.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/ms_gyrator4/lst%3f%26.dir=/51%2bGE%2bautomatic%2bwasher%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22011-9/13/2002-22:54 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: 1951 GE
MESSAGE: Well, I can't believe it, but I've finally finished restoring the 51 GE washer. I uploaded the pictures to a new yahoo photo album. It's not the premium service, so I apologize for the small files. I am working on a narrative of what this machine needed, which is too much to list right now. The book is due out later. I actually did two loads in it today. It's way fun.
Eddy
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/ms_gyrator4/lst?.dir=/51+GE+automatic+washer&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 22013-9/13/2002-00:20 ||| Mrcoffee (Flint, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Maytag portable fixed
MESSAGE: Well, I got a 4L-520 lawn mower belt from the local hardware store. It was a bit wide, but did not come off after a couple loads.

So, I suppose I'll put the back panel on and see if it lasts....

*****Post# 22014-9/13/2002-00:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE
MESSAGE: This is just wonderful Ms Gyrator, I mean uh, Eddy! ;-) You did a beautiful job with the restoration, and what a lovely reward you now have to enjoy! Congratulations!

*****Post# 22016-9/14/2002-08:54 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: JACKPOT!!!
MESSAGE: Well Friday the 13th has always been a lucky day for me fortunately. On the side of the road I found a Norge time line dryer free (not sure of the year), but in very good condition, could definately use repainting but the controls look good. I have no idea if it works or not. Secondly I stopped in at an appliance dealer whom I know a little more personally and he sent me to a friend of his who gave me a 1959 Whirlpool Washer, a Kemore? wringer washer (year?), and a 1945 GE frig. All in excellent condition. So once again I will rent a cargo van and pick them up next SAT. I will get pics and more details ASAP. I am so excited! YAY! Have a nice weekend everyone!!

*****Post# 22020-9/14/2002-10:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: JACKPOT!!!
MESSAGE: Greg, you collection is just growing by leaps and bounds. You're well on your way bud. And I look forward to pics after next weekend's pickup!!!!!

*****Post# 22021-9/14/2002-11:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Classic Dreaming
MESSAGE: I had the most wonderful dream last night. I don't know why, but I dreamed about an old house I used to rent in Berkeley. Somehow I wound up living there again, but this time the former owner had populated the basement with a wide variety of vintage appliances. But not your usual fare. For example, there was a combination vintage refrigerator/clothes washer! This had a wash action that incorporated plastic briquettes (kind of like those fake plastic ice cubes, but sized and shaped like charcoal)! LOL! There was even an old Frigidaire washer, but since this was a dream it didn't have a pulsator, it was more like a *gasp* Calypso wash action. Go figure ;-) There were many other white enameled vintage appliances in this basement, but their exact description now eludes me.

Naturally, I awoke feeling a loss at having to leave this fantasy world, but perhaps it was some sort of compensation for having missed two classic appliance conventions in a row.

*****Post# 22022-9/14/2002-11:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: JACKPOT!!!
MESSAGE: This is wonderful Greg! And here I had completely forgotten it was Friday the 13th, til you mentioned it!

Will look forward to seeing pictures of your finds. My great aunt had an (RCA) Whirlpool from right about then, and I'm interested to see if it's anything like hers. If so, it will be the only other one I have seen!

Hope the Norge dryer works too! Enjoy!

*****Post# 22023-9/14/2002-12:49 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (tranny)
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone, nice that I can share this with you all. Even though the pictures are small Bob, I know you saw Robert's machine close up and mine is exactly the same model. The most difficult part of the restore was the tranny rebuild. It had frozen up because of sitting with alot of water inside. Fortunately, some parts were still available through Larry at Modern and Robert actually had the hub and bottom seals it needed. A big thanks to him, or this tranny would have never come back to life.

*****Post# 22027-9/14/2002-15:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (What a Wonderful Washer!)
MESSAGE: Wow Eddy, that was a great restore job! I'm so glad I had some parts for your new GE tucked away in my parts closet. Was it difficult to figure out which wires to tie the electric pump wires into, so it would only run during spin?

*****Post# 22028-9/14/2002-16:45 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (wiring the pump)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert, you were a huge help and inspiration for me !!
What I did with the pump was hook up the white neutral wire to the incoming neutral. Then, I carefully exposed a bit of each wire leading to the motor by peeling back some of the rubber insulating covers that protect the connectors. I took the black wire from the pump, set the machine to spin, then touched each wire to see if it energized the pump. Both the red and blue wires ran the pump (the other 2 wires are simply neutral and ground). Now, after bypassing the pressure switch, I tested it on agitate which reverses the motor. Sure enough, touching the blue wire ran the pump but touching the red wire did not. Yay, we found the wire we needed ! I tapped into this line, made sure everything was insulated correctly, and voila the pump only comes on during the spin.

*****Post# 22029-9/14/2002-20:43 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer
MESSAGE: Just recently made my 1st purchase of a 1943-44 Bendix washer. The booklet it came with gives suggestions for care of YOUR BENDIX AUTOMATIC during WARTIME. It is in perfect looking condition and operating condition except for 2 items. The timer works when advanced maually and the water switch made by Dole mfg does not shut off when the machine is full and the float reaches it's full capacity. Can anyone help tell me where I can locate either a repair manual for this machine or where I might be able to buy parts. Thanks,
Bruce

*****Post# 22030-9/14/2002-21:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (Another Bendix!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce, congratulations on your new vintage washer. That is a wonderful machine. I do have a repair manual for it, if there is a certain section you need scanned just let me know.

As for the timer, the timer motor has died. This is the most common problem in vintage washing machines. You can get a rebuilt timer for the machine at Midwest Timer Service in Benton Harbor Michigan. As for the water valve you might have to replace it with a generic one, but check with Midwest Timer Service because they used to sell rebuilt water valves too. I don't have their phone number at home, but I do have it at work which I can get on monday for you.

*****Post# 22031-9/14/2002-22:20 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the offer of the repair manual. I don't know what could go wrong with the machine but at least I will be able to repair it. Just let me know the cost of reproducing the manual it's no problem. Also thanks for the name of the parts place. I would appreciate it if you could find the number or atleast an address so that I can find it through the internet. Just one more thing I think the pictures of all of your machines are GREAT. I got such joy about seeing the past and also knowing others are out there who have the same interests. Would love to come to one of your conventions.
Bruce

*****Post# 22032-9/14/2002-22:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (Bendix!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce
Welcome to the club. Best of Luck getting the Bendix working.
Bendix was always one of my favorate washers.
I also live in New York - nice to have another New York member.
Peter

*****Post# 22033-9/14/2002-22:25 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce, thanks for your kind word about my collection, its so much fun to have. You just missed that last convention but the next will be in a year or so.

I will email you the # of Midwest Timer Service although I'm sure another member will have the number posted before I get back to the office on Monday. MTS isn't on the internet as far as I can tell.

*****Post# 22034-9/14/2002-22:31 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (zzzuni)
MESSAGE: By the way everyone ZZZUNI is the login name I'm going to use when I programming the server for coding and testing. I forgot to log back in as Unimatic1140 on that last post, so if you see ZZZUNI its just little old me.

Also over the course of the next few weeks you might see some test posts popping in. I will try to delete them when I'm through so you also might find post #'s that are missing. I'm writing some new code to add new features that I've been thinking about for a while. More to come on that later.

Remember, after the server crash on Friday if you are getting a message saying that your password is incorrect I need to restore your password file. Email me with your user name and whatever new password you would like to use.

*****Post# 22036-9/14/2002-23:13 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Following Is A Test
MESSAGE: This is a test of comments to be posted. Please disregard this message.

Also over the course of the next few weeks you might see some test posts popping in. I will try to delete them when I'm through so you also might find post #'s that are missing. I'm writing some new code to add new features that I've been thinking about for a while. More to come on that later.

Remember, after the server crash on Friday if you are getting a message saying that your password is incorrect I need to restore your password file. Email me with your user name and whatever new password you would like to use.
LINK: http://www.frigidaire.com

*****Post# 22037-9/14/2002-23:14 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Following Is A Test
MESSAGE: This is a test of comments to be posted. Please disregard this message.

Also over the course of the next few weeks you might see some test posts popping in. I will try to delete them when I'm through so you also might find post #'s that are missing. I'm writing some new code to add new features that I've been thinking about for a while. More to come on that later.

Remember, after the server crash on Friday if you are getting a message saying that your password is incorrect I need to restore your password file. Email me with your user name and whatever new password you would like to use.

*****Post# 22038-9/14/2002-00:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer
MESSAGE: Welcome Bendixman! Enjoy your new Bendix, and I hope all will be well once you are able to take care of those things. This must be an especially rare one, as I am betting they did not make a great deal of machines during the war. Have a great weekend!

Thanks for sharing what must have been a lot of patient work. I envy you guys who can do this work. Just out of interst what is the agitator stroke and rate and how fast does it spin?

Well done.

Greg

*****Post# 22040-9/15/2002-07:08 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I too have always liked old washers anykind. But the picture today have never seen a round Frigidaire WOW. Back in the late 40's through the 50's we had a cousin that had an appliance shop sold washers, dryers, radios, tv's. Made a deal with my mother and all my aunts and grandmothers to pick out an automatic he would install and if they demostrated and sold at least 3 was free to them. I can remember all sorts of washers at different aunts. Ours was a Westinghouse front load lots of memories of watching it tumble and spin.

*****Post# 22041-9/15/2002-08:05 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Peter,
Thanks for the warm welcome. Where in NY do you live. I am on L.I. Also check out ebay. There is a Bendix standard somewhere between 1938-45 the seller wants $1,000 for it and it is located up in Monticello the Catskills.What machines do you have??
Bruce

*****Post# 22042-9/15/2002-08:27 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: Thanks everyone.....
MESSAGE: A big part of the personal excitement when you find some of these wonderful old appliances is being able to share that excitement with others who share and appreciate the same interest. Thanks for your comments. I look forward to sharing pics soon........-GregM

*****Post# 22043-9/15/2002-08:36 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (round Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: The reason you never saw this very cool round Frigidaire washer is it was made by GM-Holden-Frigidaire in Australia. The semi-automatic was never produced in North America. One of our Down-Under members has this beauty in his collection. Check this out...

*****Post# 22044-9/15/2002-08:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, another interesting auction to watch. I just email'd the seller to let him know that the model he has is the postwar version, 1947-1952. The machine looks like its in pretty good shape.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2054247581

*****Post# 22045-9/15/2002-09:18 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Liked the Bendix??? But what about the price??? Emailed the seller the other day because he had a manual up for auction and I thought he also might know where I could get replacement parts, but he didn't. For us NY'ers usually upstate NY in the older communities can you find vintage appliances.
Bruce

*****Post# 22046-9/15/2002-10:16 ||| westie (Siloam Springs, Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1947 to 1952 Bendix)
MESSAGE: This is like the first one of aunts had had lots of problems and in 1956 she got a Norge.

*****Post# 22047-9/15/2002-10:39 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: Thor Automagic
MESSAGE: Wondering if there are still Thor Automagics still out there and working. My mom had one of there too and I don't know what happened to it. She mainly used it to do dishes.
Bruce

*****Post# 22048-9/15/2002-11:44 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy
Fantastic! That baby is a beauty and you did a great job on her. Congratulations!
Rich

*****Post# 22049-9/15/2002-12:01 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic (Thor Automagic)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce. I am originally from Bayside, Queens, where I too grew up with a Thor Automagic. My Mom only used it for washing clothes. I currently live in Palm Springs, California and own a boring 5 year old Maytag. I am thinking about making room in my garage for a few vintage machines that I could connect and use for washing clothes. Of course, a Thor is on my wish list of vintage machines I would like to acquire.

*****Post# 22051-9/15/2002-17:01 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE
MESSAGE: Thanks Rich, it was worth the work. Have you ever come across a magazine ad for this model?

*****Post# 22052-9/15/2002-17:08 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (terrific restoration)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I don't have exact numbers here, but agitation appears to be around 52 strokes per min at 160 degrees. The spin speed is a bit faster than most belt drive GE's, approaching 700 rpm. This is due to the 2 pulley system they used and the fact that the spin pulley has a smaller diameter than ones that were produced later.
Glenn has a great clip of Robert's 51 GE in action, mine operates identically.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Friday/Video/063_Topless%20GE%20Action.MPG

*****Post# 22053-9/15/2002-17:11 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (And a Yay for you too!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn, I wish I could do some video magic like you. I enjoyed all those clips again from last year's convention.

*****Post# 22054-9/15/2002-18:09 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: What a cool washer! I've never seen one like it. Can anyone give details. How it filled, drained etc. Very neat. Really love this site

*****Post# 22055-9/15/2002-20:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (New York!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce - I live in Westchester Co - I am not a collector but I have a Equator combo - I live in a coop. Lets chat some time. We had a Great convention last month in Maryland - I am sorry you didnt join before the convention - oh well next time
my email is Peteski50@aol.com
Send me yours if it's ok
Thanks,
Peter

*****Post# 22056-9/15/2002-20:22 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic (Thor Automagic )
MESSAGE: That is such a interesting looking machine
I would love to see one work
Peter

*****Post# 22057-9/15/2002-20:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher (Preway )
MESSAGE: Glenn
Thanks again for the cd - this looks like the same DW on the beverly hillbillies and John L had one of these babies in his shed - at least he did 2 years ago.
Peter

*****Post# 22058-9/15/2002-20:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks everyone.....
MESSAGE: Well, Greg - congrats are the order of the day. Particularly thrilling is the Norge Time Line dryer. I certainly hope it works for you.

*****Post# 22059-9/15/2002-21:14 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Pete,
Would be great to hear from you. My email address is:
Popshot51bwc@netscape.net. It would be real nice to talk to others who enjoy vintage appliances. You mentioned that you have an equator on your coop. I have a Bendix (thats what the tag says) Purchased it about 4 years ago for my parents who moved into a coop in Brooklyn and really couldn't have a washer. I removed their dishwasher (that they really didn't use) and put in this washer/dryer combo that requires no venting it has a condenser. My mom passed away almost 3 years ago and my dad sold the coop and moved in with my sister and I became the owner of another washer. I really haven't used it much because it holds only about 8-9 lbs. but it does work great. Just have to get used to the dry cycle and the clothes comming out a little steamy.
Get back to me when you can and lets chat.

Bruce

*****Post# 22060-9/16/2002-08:37 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: 1950 Blackstone Washer Ad
MESSAGE: Hello all,
Here is a link to a 1950 Blackstone Washer Ad on Ebay.
Look at the Dryer. It is like the one that was at John's Warehouse. The washer looks older than that one we saw though.
Man...I wish I could get that booklet in the ad about "THE TRUTH ABOUT WASHERS AND DRYERS!" I bet that it was an eye-opener.
Brent
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=713594553

*****Post# 22061-9/16/2002-09:28 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic (Thor Automagic)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter. I am originally from Bayside, Queens where I grew up but now live in Palm Springs, California. My Mom had a Thor Automagic and that is where I got my start on washing machines. When I was little, my Mom knew that one way to keep me quiet and occupied was to do a load of laundry in the Thor. We never used it as a dishwasher nor did we have the dishwasher tub. If a dishwasher tub came with the machine when my parents purchased it, I never saw it. First, my mom would connect water hose to the kitchen sink. The drain hose was always at the edge of the kitchen sink. By turning on the kitchen faucet, you regulated the temperature of the water going into the machine. After the tub began to fill, my mom would throw in some Tide powder and turn on the agitator to mix it up for a moment. Then the agitator was turned off and the clothes were then placed inside the tub as the water was filling up the tub. Then the water was turned off and the crank was turned to "agitate". After 10 or 15 minutes, my mom would turn the crank to off, then to spin. After a few minutes, the crank was turned to off and the faucet turned on so that the rinse water could enter the tub. When the tub was full of water, the crank was turned to agitate but the water was kept on and running into the tub for an overflow rinse. Then the water was turned off and the crank turned again to spin for 5 minutes or so, and the load was done.

*****Post# 22062-9/16/2002-09:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Frigidaire Semi-Automatic)
MESSAGE: That was an Australian semi-automatic washer. Since it's a semi-automatic its filled manually by turning on the faucet. It drains like most other solid tub washers by spinning the water over the top of the tub, into the outer tub where it's pumped out.

*****Post# 22064-9/16/2002-09:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950 Blackstone Washer Ad (Blackstone Models)
MESSAGE: Very fun Ad! Brent that Blackstone Automatic is Model 150. It was brand new in 1950 and the dryer is the match to the dryer you saw at the museum. Actually I found that drier in an alley in St. Paul and it eventually made its way to Washington. Its fun to play musical appliances!

The First Blackstone automatic was the Model #50, it was test marketed in '41 before the war, after the war the model #50A came out which was very similar to the Model #50. In 1950 they introduced the Model #150. Then in 53 came the Model #250 and in 1955 came the Model #350, the model that you saw at the museum.

In my ongoing effort to have the perfect flair, I am now trying to find out information about the rotisserie attchment. The owner's manual is frustratingly vague about this - it says it's available "at extra charge for installation" (duh) Does anyone out there know about the rotisserie, and how it worked? did it have to be hard wired?, or was it an add-on?

Thanks!
dan
LINK: http://www.danlangdon.com/flair.htm

*****Post# 22068-9/16/2002-14:14 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Superba Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Almost forgot - found a lovely beige-ish KitchenAid "Superba" dishwasher over the weekend. It features all push-button control, (divided into "Daily" and "Party" categories) Works like a charm, but there's no way to not use the heater on the dryer cycle, which I'm sure will soon be reflected on the electric bills ;-)

*****Post# 22069-9/16/2002-15:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Rotisserie
MESSAGE: Dan, I have always thought of you as having the perfect Flair. (Oh sorry, you were talking about your range). ;-)

I think the model you're talking about was made in the late 60s and early 70s. Does a great job, but I think it uses about 15 gallons per cycle, whereas today's machines typically use 6-8.

Great for your vintage pad though! :)

*****Post# 22071-9/16/2002-16:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I always use heated dry. Water heating takes more electric than heated dry. Of course, you may have gas water heating.

*****Post# 22072-9/16/2002-18:32 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Dishwasher (water use)
MESSAGE: This thing, if I were to use the "daily" setting, would use billions of gallons of water. But I prefer to use the "party" setting, as it uses 1/3 of the water and still gets everything clean. Plus, it allows me to say that everyday at my house is a party ;-)

While it technically does not fit into my Eve of the Kennedy Assassination decor, it LOOKS like something out of 1962, so I think I'll let it slide.

If the dryer heater drives me to the poor house, I'll just figure a way to unhook it and go with the fan.

*****Post# 22073-9/16/2002-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Jimmy Visits Omaha
MESSAGE: Jimmy (filterflo) came to Omaha Thursday evening to pick up his machines from our South Dakota farm trip back in May and brought some fun stuff he found for Don (Jetaction) and I in Ohio. We had a busy and fun filled weekend which started with unloading a 1964 Kenmore Visi-Matic wringer washer. We had to free the motor switch and then started washing. What fun that wringer is, I have never used one before so it was quite and experience. I don't think I will be doing all my washing with this machine, but it is great for washing really dirty and hard to handle items as the tub is absolutely huge and holds a ton of washing. In trade for a Kelvinator washer I found in Iowa, Jimmy brought me a wonderful Frigidaire WV-65 he found in a trash pile while driving down the street back home. He litterally took it out of the pick-up guy's hands and rescued it from the krusher. Since he already has a 55 set of his own, he brought it to trade for something he's wanted for a long time - the Kelvinator washer. Jimmy spent most of Friday working on his 56 Philco washer and dryer set and was able to get them both running - I came home from work Friday to find the 56 Philco washer agitating with water even! There's still a long way to go, but at least it does run! Saturday, we hit the estate sales and actually were lucky to find a few things we were excited about. I found two Oster "beehive" blenders that I combined into one good one and a few other miscellaneous things. Jimmy runs estate sales back home and was shell-shocked at the prices here. Saturday night we had dinner and a wash-in with a few of my friends. Sunday we headed for the Early, Iowa store where I'd found my 55 Imperial Filtrator and the Kelvinator washers. The store owner had done a little cleaning of the warehouse and we were able to get the Kelvinators we wanted and Jimmy also got a Maytag A3MP washer to match his Maytag condenser dryer back home. We had such a wonderful time and lots of laughs while working on machines and moving what seemed an endless stream of washers and dryers. Jimmy has been working on vintage cars and trucks for years so I also picked up a few good restoration tips to use on washers and learned a lot. We spent lots of time in the garage working and had beautiful weather every day - what a great appliance weekend!! Thank you again Jimmy for everything and the great time - it was a pleasure having you here and I hope we can get together soon in Ohio!

Hope everyone's weekend was great - it sounds like there were some good finds! Here are some pictures, enjoy!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/Jimmy%27s+Omaha+Visit+Sept+2002&.src=ph&.view=t

*****Post# 22074-9/16/2002-19:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950 Blackstone Washer Ad (Blackstone Models)
MESSAGE: Jimmy found a beautiful ad from 1940 in an antique store along the way for the very first model Blackstone, which may not have even been released yet. I wish I'd scanned it before he took it home!

*****Post# 22075-9/16/2002-20:09 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha
MESSAGE: Wow what fun you guys had! Sounds like a great weekend, and I am excited to get my washer from Omaha. Thanks to Jimmy for hauling it a bit closer to me. The wringer looks fun, I have a Maytag wringer, and maybe it is time to fire it up. It is really quick, but you sure do work hard at laundry!

*****Post# 22076-9/16/2002-20:30 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: Imperial 70 Washer
MESSAGE: I bought a Whirlpool Imperial 70 Washer in 1986. That was the best washer I ever owned. The Super Surgilator(tm) agitator was great with big loads (especially with the Superwash cycle) and it was great with "dry clean only" because of the design of the bottom of the agitator gently rocked clothes on the Knit Gentle cycle. No wrinkling, my clothes lasted forever.
The machine would have too. But someone put a large sleeping bag in the washer, stripped the agitator shaft and we couldn't get the stripped plastic out of the splines on the shaft.
(Sorry for the run on sentences but I get emotional over that)
In any event I have a 97 kenmore that does an alright wash but it eats everything. Can't do delicates in it (even though it is two speeds). The high speed wash causes the lights in the house to pulsate too!
What I would do if I could find that Imperial 70 washer again.
I would have put a new shaft had I known...
pc

*****Post# 22078-9/16/2002-21:21 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (What fun!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for sharing all the fun you and Jimmy had this past weekend. The pictures were great. Jimmy it looks like you are sure going to be busy. Greg I love that Kenmore Wringer, just like the one that my grandma had, but alas I was never aloud to use it. Terry

*****Post# 22080-9/16/2002-21:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950 Blackstone Washer Ad (I need the truth!)
MESSAGE: Oh Brent!! I need the Truth about automagic washers!! I bet that book could explain alot!!
We must keep our eyes out for it on ebay.
Come on up and try out my Blackstone it purrrrs along great!
jon

*****Post# 22081-9/16/2002-21:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (Nice Wash In!!)
MESSAGE: Wow what a nice wash in you guys had!! I can't believe Jimmy got any appliance working right off the farm! That is some kind of record! I wonder if a '56 Philco is more or less flappy than a 1960 model? Would it turn the clothes over more or less?? Anybody in applianceville have any experience with them??
Jetcone

*****Post# 22082-9/16/2002-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: 1970's Hotpoint on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey you 70's nuts there is a stored Hotpoint in Harvest Gold on ebay. It looks to be in good cond.\
Heres the link:

*****Post# 22088-9/16/2002-22:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (No Flapping!)
MESSAGE: There is no flapping in a '56, it's more of tug, pull and drag action by the agitator. The flapper didn't come about until 1959.

The '66 Philco/Ford washer was the last design of the "Blades of Water" so when he gets that up and washing it will be interesting to see how it compares with the earlier versions. (I think there were three flapper designs...still one more to go) The '60 Philco-Bendix Miss America I brought from the farm is the same design as Robert's '59.

*****Post# 22089-9/16/2002-22:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE
MESSAGE: This took my breath away - thank you for the pictures Eddy! You did a wonderful job on this washer, it looks absolutely beautiful!

*****Post# 22090-9/16/2002-22:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Dan, my parents former neighbor still uses this dishwasher to this day in her kitchen. She's ALWAYS pushed cancel/drain after the end of the rinse cycle to stop the dry cycle. Another suggestion is to use the light soil cycle (under the party section) that shortens the dry cycle by 5 minutes. And one final suggesetion. push the plate warm button, which is only about 13 minutes of dry time.

*****Post# 22091-9/16/2002-22:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Beginning with the 18 series the heater wattage was lowered from 1100 to 800, a savings of .03 per cycle at .10 per kwh during the 22 minute dry cycle. If you can obtain the part, you could also save $$ that way.

*****Post# 22092-9/16/2002-22:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise Maytag dryer in CA (turquoise lost....)
MESSAGE: This is the exact dryer that I had, but my light bulb worked ;-) If I weren't so tired, I would lift my leg and kick myself (again) for getting rid of this Maytag set!

*****Post# 22093-9/16/2002-22:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I have on a few occasions run the dry cycle (full or partial) a second time, if there is a lot of plastic in the load.

*****Post# 22094-9/16/2002-22:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn - it was interesting to see this - I wonder how the washing performance was with those arms on the side of the tank like that, seems like it would limit loading somewhat.

*****Post# 22096-9/16/2002-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag portable fixed
MESSAGE: The orginal part (belt) is still available through Maytag, did you have trouble locating it? I had to order mine through Sunberg Parts, but it was still available a year ago.

*****Post# 22097-9/16/2002-23:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher
MESSAGE: It's hard to see in the scan, but glasses appear to be loaded like in a Frigidaire spray-tube, but turned the other direction, so they face toward the outside. The rack description makes reference to "3 hook-on side racks."

*****Post# 22099-9/16/2002-23:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (Wow!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting the pictures, Greg, and glad you guys had such a fun weekend. Cool wringer washer. I love those Roto-Swirls they put in wringer machines with the high vanes. I didn't realize Jimmy had a 55 Frigidaire Imperial set (gasp)!!! They are gorgeous!! My favorite laundry pair of all time!! Jimmy....did you just get them recently? How do they run? You are amazing... getting those machines working so quickly! I like a guy who can handle tools!
Rich

*****Post# 22101-9/16/2002-23:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Free to good home - Sunny Yellow 1960 WP Dryer
MESSAGE: Something has to go with the recent arrivals so I must give up the Whirlpool dryer. It is a 1960 Imperial model and is in exceptional condition as found (cleaned and oiled) at an estate sale two years ago. The fan/bearing assembly needs some work as it is rather loud.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=RCA+WP+Dryer+1960.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Collection%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22102-9/16/2002-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: There are still more treasures to be had in the Iowa store/warehouse if anyone is interested. I posted some pictures from my first trip there in May so you can see what is there (sans Kelvinators) - some neat things are still there. There is a Frigidaire rollermatic Custom Deluxe washer, several Frigidaire dryers including a 1955 Filtrator, lots of Maytags with lighted panels circa early 60's and some earlier washers including a 1955 Maytag (amp style) and others. There are many Hoover and Maytag portables, plus some still new in the boxes.

You can contact the owner if you are interested in anything - Dick Sanders, Sanders Hardware in Early Iowa 712-273-5281.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/June+2002+Iowa+Hunting&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 22103-9/17/2002-06:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (What? No Maytag Combos?)
MESSAGE: It looks like you guys had so much fun! Man, you also worked your tails off!
I think that it is wild that out off all of the stuff that this guy has in Iowa, that he did not have any Combo W/D's! (of any kind) That is something to be said about how rare they are becoming. I figured that with all of the Maytag stuff that he had, he would have had at least 1 Maytag Combo! He looked like he really liked Maytag stuff.
I love looking at those pictures. Also the new pictures of Jimmy determined to get that stuff up and running! He looked very happy in the pictures!
Thanks Greg and Jimmy!
Looks like your collection is starting to grow! hehe
Brent

*****Post# 22104-9/17/2002-06:33 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher (Did NORGE ever sell this version with NORGE on front instead of Preway?)
MESSAGE: Hello all,
The reason that I am asking this is because one of my childhood friends had a dishwasher that sounds just like this Preway. The difference is that it had NORGE on the front in big letters. I remember it loaded the glasses kinda sideways, and you had to get them in just right of they would fall on the sides. It had spray arms on the left and right. I also remember that it was gas water heating for the wash and like 2 of the rinses. I waited to post this because I wanted to get in touch with him and ask. And he confirmed that yes it was a gas dishwasher as I remembered. He said that his dad replaced it in the early 80's because the burner rusted out, and the tub was leaking.
Am I dreaming? I remember that this thing was loud! They would run it about 3 times a day because there was 6 kids. I would go over after each meal and "help" them load the dishwasher, and ask them if I could go ahead and run it. That seems to be so funny now thinking back. I am sure that they thought this is great that this kid comes over and helps with the chores. I would say that I would do it so that my friend could get "his" chores done, and come out and play. I would help several people in my neighborhood do "chores" so that I could use either washers or dryers or etc... I can remember my mom getting really mad because one of the mothers told her that I always help her around the house. I did not understand why she was so upset, since I would also do my chores around our house.
Brent

*****Post# 22105-9/17/2002-07:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher (Did NORGE ever sell this version with NORGE on front instead of Preway?)
MESSAGE: Brent, I'm so glad to know someone else was so "helpful" with the neighborhood chores of laundry and dishes just so one could play with all the neat stuff people had LOL. But I also helped around our house too. But yes, my Mom complained too, but it was because I was spending too much time at neighbors' houses.

*****Post# 22106-9/17/2002-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (What? No Maytag Combos?)
MESSAGE: The store owner has been in business since 1959 and has heard of the Maytag combo, but never seen one. They were probably more popular in the cities rather than rural areas, thus all the wringers!

My collection is overflowing! I'm still stunned by the 1955 set in the garage and hope to get it moved downstairs in the next couple of days - they are so beautiful! I need to rebuild the water valve and make some room for it in the "Frigidaire Gallery." Wanna buy a Calypso? Hee hee!

*****Post# 22107-9/17/2002-07:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher (Did NORGE ever sell this version with NORGE on front instead of Preway?)
MESSAGE: Me too! I would help a neighbor with her washing in her Hoover washer and dryer as I loved playing with that cute washer. I would imagine they thought it was still percieved as "women's work" thus not appropriate for a young boy to be doing when he should be out obtaining football injuries!

*****Post# 22108-9/17/2002-07:58 ||| Brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (1955 Set. Did I understand your story correctly?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
That is an amazing set! Did Jimmy actually find this in the trash?! Or did I understand your post wrong?
That is amazing!
Can't wait to see it in your Gallery! They are beautiful!
Some guys have all the luck!
Brent

*****Post# 22109-9/17/2002-08:01 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Omaha Trip,
MESSAGE: Hi All Back from Omaha, waking up after a goods night sleep (I drove all the way back from Omaha to Akron Ohio in one day!) And now, waiting for my in my driveway is a van load of appliances! Thanks so much to Greg Nunn for being such a good host. We sure had a blast. The 1956 Philco set that I got is an agitator washer, I think of Dexter design. I got it working at Gregs, but it needs rubber parts and lots of cosmetics (maybe I should contact Richard Hudnut or Max Factor!) Im SO eager to work on my Kelvinator set. We got Gregs to work while in his garage (bad timer, Greg had another one and replaced it and the washer worked! Good pump and all)
I will take some pics today as I work on them, and hopefully show some progress.

*****Post# 22110-9/17/2002-08:40 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (1955 Set. Did I understand your story correctly?)
MESSAGE: Brett, Yes I got the washer out of the trash in Barberton Ohio. ITs a VERY interesting story: I moved to a new house in April, new location, that Im not very familiar with yet. I had to make a run to the bank, so I jumped in my 1957 Rambler. I got lost on the way, and took a couple of wrong turns, and low and behold in the trash, at 9am, was a 1955 UNIMATIC! I flipped. But there is no way it would fit in my Rambler. I stopped and went up to the house and knocked, but no one answered. So, with the wheels turning in my head, I jumped back in the Rambler and sped home, about 10 min away, grabbed my appliance dolly and thru it in my van and raced back. Just as I was rounding the corner to the house, the trash truck was there and the guys had their hands on the washer, getting ready to pick it up and throw it in the truck!!!!! I started honking the horn and waving my hands (they really thought I was nuts) and got their attention.......and ran out of the van and told them I wanted the washer. They, or course were more than happy not to have to pick it up. So.......just as all this was happening the owner of the house came out....and I thought, OH OH, shes going to give me a hard time......BUT intstead, she was glad I was taking it. It saved her $15.00 pick up fee from the city. She went in and got her son, and he helped me load it.
I was on cloud nine to have gotten it and now you have.......The Rest Of the Story!!! Ha
PS Greg will give it a good home, and its now part of a matched set (you know how I love those sets), in Omaha.

*****Post# 22111-9/17/2002-08:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE (Where on earth??)
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy NICE JOB!! She looks great. Aren't those tubs heavy!!
Where on earth did you find a new boot for that one?? and the drive block where did that turn up? On GE's that is always the stumbling "block" for me. Those drive blocks stick on the shaft and break. Can't wait to see it in person someday soon!
cheers from the east coast
jetcone

*****Post# 22112-9/17/2002-08:46 ||| Brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (What Timing!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Just to think that if you did not get lost on your way to the bank.
Or if it would have been just 10 mins later.
That is the best example of "meant to be" that I have heard in a long time.
Brent

*****Post# 22113-9/17/2002-08:49 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (Cool story!)
MESSAGE: I love it when the poor machine is snapped right from the claws of the Krusher at the final moment. It seems to me alot of our machines appear that way to us, at the very last moment!
jet

*****Post# 22114-9/17/2002-08:50 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Bob,
Thanks for the warm welcome. Always loved the Bendix. It was on par with growing up with TV. Loved when it oversuds it looked like a volcano erupting. Got many smacks from my mom because I added additional soap (Duz) when no one was looking to bring the suds out of the soap chute and the little door would fly open.
Again thanks for the welcome.

*****Post# 22116-9/17/2002-10:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha
MESSAGE: Great pics from a great weekend! Where did the 55 Filtrator come from? I know Jimmiy was bringing the 55 Unimatic, but can't remember who had/brought the dryer? Can't wait to see the Philco Glamour washer up and running!

-ph

*****Post# 22117-9/17/2002-10:20 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Thanks to all of you
MESSAGE: I must say thanks to all that post here every day I log in sincerly enjoy the messages and how much fun it is to see other get so excited also Thank all of you for sharing pictures and video ... The Video's production oftens brings a tear to ny eye. Thanks for making my life fun again

I would be glad to host a southern wash in near charleston SC

Philippe

*****Post# 22118-9/17/2002-13:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: I'm new
MESSAGE: hey guys. i can'tell u how thrilled and somewhat surprised i am to find this wonderful site. i thought i was about the only guy who was into vintage appliances. my favs are top & front loading automatic washers from latw 40's to early 60's. i also enjoy some window unit air conditoners from the same period.
i formerly had a 1955 GE filter-flo and a 1962 Lady Kenmore. I releuctantly parted with both a few years ago during a move because if no storage space. The GE had a transmission problem (no longer would spin). The Kenmore I passed on to a friend who is still enjoying it. It's fully operational. My dream is to acquire the space to begin a serious collection. but in the meantime it's nice to have discovered this site to read about the member's collections. And i LOVE the photos of everyone's machines. Please keep them coming. My earliest washer memory is of my mom's ABC-O-Matic. I also vividly recall an Aunt's Frigidaie (I think it was a 56 with the all-grey pulsator), and my next-door-neighbor's 1949 Maytag automatic with the red agitator and float. My favorites have always been the kenmore's from the 50's because of their multi-colored control dials and the famous wash-in-wear cycle with the cool-down function.

There are so many wonderful things to see and learn here, I'm sure you'll have a fabulous time.

*****Post# 22120-9/17/2002-14:08 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new (The washer museum videos)
MESSAGE: I'm having so much fun watching the videos at the museum section. They've brought back so many memories. I've especially enjoed the Norge time-line videos and the ABC-O-Matic videos. It's like being right there at the machines themselves. can'r wait till more videos are added.

*****Post# 22121-9/17/2002-14:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (The Washies)
MESSAGE: How fun, great pictures you guys. Those Kelvinators look like there in great shape. Congratulations Jimmy on your first orbial agitation washer! If we held Applianceville award ceremonies, like "The Washies" the ABC-O-Matic's and Kelvinators would win "the most dramatic wash cycle" award hands-down.

Thanks for the pictures Greg!

*****Post# 22122-9/17/2002-14:31 ||| Lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: GE filter flo
MESSAGE: I used to have a 1955 GE filter-flo that once belonged to my great aunt. It had a 10 pound capacity black tub (with white specs) and black three-finned straight vane agitator (activator as it was officially called) with an aqua colored top where the filter pan fit over. The control dial illuminated. Two cycles (normal and "short"). The dial had the matching aqua background with black letters for the normal cycle and red for the short cycle. The rubber trim surrounding the filter-flo spout was also aqua as was the trim on the back panel. There were three white controls on the left hand side of the panel. One for wash temp, one for rinse and one for water lever. This had no official setting. Once the washer reached the desired water lever you pushed down on the control and it started the agitator (unless of course you were doing a full load).

My question is, just before I finally donated the machine away, it no longer would go into a spin yet it still washed perfectly. The GE repairman said the transmission was bad and that GE no longer made parts since by this time the machine was at least 30 years old and GE had compeltely redesigned their drive trains by then. Could is have been fixed and what specifically within the transmission (clutch perhaps?) caused it to be too weak to spin?

One curious thing about the machine's operation. During the first spin on both the normal & short cycles the machine would cut off for a moment then resume spiinig again. What year did GE discontinue this and replace this "spin pause" with the cold water spray?

How I regret giving that machine away.

*****Post# 22123-9/17/2002-14:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (Saved In the Nick of Time)
MESSAGE: Yay, those kind of "Saved in the Nick of Time" appliance stories are very heartwarming.

*****Post# 22124-9/17/2002-14:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Hi Les, welcome to our club, I'm so glad you found us. I bet, like the rest of us, you used to think you were "the only one"!

*****Post# 22125-9/17/2002-14:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filter flo (Suds-Kill Cycle)
MESSAGE: Well Les, it depends on what was wrong exactly with the GE tranny or clutch itself. Most likely the Clutch spring in the bottom of the tranny had broken. That can certainly be fixed, but you would have to find the right part, which now that you know us would have been a heck of a lot easier.

As for the pause during spin, this was called the "Suds-Kill Cycle". It was used on GE's until 1961 when they came out with the new perforated spin-basket design. My early 1951 GE as well as Eddy's GE does a suds kill and a spray rinse, by the mid 50's they stopped the spray rinse.

*****Post# 22126-9/17/2002-15:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood
MESSAGE: Sony pictures is picking up my WO-65/TR-60 Frigidaire washer and dryer pair, we've made all the arrangements for a two month rental. They are going to pick and return the machines directly to me.

The set is going to appear in the movie "Mona Lisa Smile", I can't wait to see my babies on the big screen! YAY.

*****Post# 22128-9/17/2002-15:25 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (Frig in movie)
MESSAGE: That's excited your babies are going to be Hollywood stars. But I hope you told them to handle them with the utmost care or else you'd hunt them down and kill them!

*****Post# 22129-9/17/2002-15:38 ||| EasyWhirldry (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (Really!)
MESSAGE: Are there any extra kelvinator orbital agitator washers? I gotta get one!

*****Post# 22130-9/17/2002-16:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: Greg do you think he may have old parts there or just machines? I wonder if he has any Hoover twinny parts there.

*****Post# 22131-9/17/2002-16:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new
MESSAGE: Welcome and enjoy! Sounds like you got to see all sorts of interesting machines in your childhood! Nice to be able to see so many of our old friends again today!

*****Post# 22132-9/17/2002-16:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (where credit is due)
MESSAGE: I hope you have it in the agreement that you get named in the film credits -- "Classic GM Frigidaire Washer and Dryer courtesy of Mr. Robert U. Seger". I'll even stay to the very end of the movie to watch your name roll by!

-ph

*****Post# 22133-9/17/2002-16:45 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (50's Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Speaking of, I hope the museum will soon have some videos to download of 50's Frigies - especially the three-ringed multi-colored agitator models. I remember vividly my aunt's 56 (I think) with the all-grey agitator. Especially the infamous suds cakes and how all the clothes came out tied together. LOL. That's one of my favorite photos from unimatics pics.

*****Post# 22135-9/17/2002-17:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Hotpoint on ebay (Peter...)
MESSAGE: You will be slapped! Quickly too!
TO each their own, we may have a hotpointy in the crowd!

*****Post# 22136-9/17/2002-17:40 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new
MESSAGE: Welcome Lesto, Hope you have as much fun as I do reading all the messages each day. Never knew there were so many people that liked old washer's Shawn.

*****Post# 22137-9/17/2002-17:47 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (55 Unimatic)
MESSAGE: Jimmy....you get an extra jewel in your crown for saving that 55 Unimatic! Yay! And congrats, Greg, you lucky son of a gun!
Rich

*****Post# 22139-9/17/2002-18:23 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Magtag, et al
MESSAGE: I was remembering my favorite washer of old and my Grandmother's Maytag TL popped up. I would really like to know what the large red button and "flapper" were used for on the lid. The color matched the agitator. I was to young to figure out how to trick the lid switch and could never figure out what those dohickies were for. Can someone help out with this?

*****Post# 22142-9/17/2002-18:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha
MESSAGE: I got the 55 Filtrator from the same Iowa store we picked up the Kelvinators and the A3MP from this weekend. The filtrator was found and rescued from the "rubble" the first trip I made there. Other than a new cord and a coat of Jubiliee, it's in nearly perfect condition!

*****Post# 22143-9/17/2002-18:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new
MESSAGE: A big ABC-o-matic welcome to you! Glad you are enjoying the club and the pics and videos too - we are constantly adding more so stay tuned!

You should get in touch with the other Atlanta/Georgia memebers and plan a wash-in, Peter and Steve 1-18 have some wonderful machines.

*****Post# 22145-9/17/2002-18:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (Really!)
MESSAGE: Nope, sorry Jamie, all the Kelvinators are gone now. They will fortunately be preserved forever though!

*****Post# 22146-9/17/2002-18:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Preway 180 Gas Dishwasher (Did NORGE ever sell this version with NORGE on front instead of Preway?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, probably right, but at least I had a reason for not playing sports. Besides, all my parents friends & neighbors let me "play" with anything I fancied. That's how I got my exposure to Frigidaire dishwashers & laundry plus everything else. And, they all loved it because I could analyze what was wrong with their stuff & aid them in buying new stuff when needbe.

*****Post# 22147-9/17/2002-18:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: All of the Hoover washers in those pictures, I was told, had bad pumps in them. They can't get the parts anymore, so I guess they will be there forever...like everything else there!

*****Post# 22148-9/17/2002-18:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: 1950's Kenmores
MESSAGE: Does anyone know if there are any links to photos of control dials and agitators for Kenmore top loaders from the 50's? This was the period I loved for Kenmores when the various cycles on the timer controls were usually painted different colors (ie yellow for normal, blue or orange-depending on the model- for wash n wear, aqua for delicate). Just curious. I remember four models in particular. One had letters to represent the different cycles ("A" was normal cycle with hot was, "B" warm wash... "C" was pre-wash cycle... "D" was warm wash perm press cycle, "E" cold... "F" was for the delicate cycle-all different colors of course). Thanks. Les

*****Post# 22149-9/17/2002-18:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: Interesting...I wonder what it is with those machines and pumps. The UK guys have had the same issues. One of them did write and gave me a good lead. He recognized the machine you gave me and what it is comparable to in a UK model, so my next step is to get in touch with "Spares R Us". (I love that name, LOL). Scott

*****Post# 22150-9/17/2002-18:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy Visits Omaha (M + C ??)
MESSAGE: Jimmy and I were going crazy trying to figure that out this weekend. My 1960 panel also has that designation. M + C is the wash-n-wear cycle and has a long, cold overflow period at the end of the wash cycle. It really does cool the water down quite a bit, starting with warm. There is no thermostatic valve in these machines that would give a "medium" temperature so it is still a mystery. Does anyone have a manual for Kelvinator washers from the 60's - SteveD??

*****Post# 22151-9/17/2002-19:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thank you Jetcone! (You're more than welcome!)
MESSAGE: Enjoy them,it was a pleasure meeting you at the convention!
I hope you and your Mom can come to Boston sometime for another wash-In!
Cheers
Jetcone

*****Post# 22152-9/17/2002-19:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (1955 Set. Did I understand your story correctly?)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, what an incredible story!!!. Greg, I think the washer should be nicknamed Ramblin' Rose.

*****Post# 22153-9/17/2002-19:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag, et al
MESSAGE: The large button (black in later machines) was the water level switch - when the cap of the agitator rose with the water level in the tub, it would push that switch and the agitation would begin. That is why it would stop and begin filling again when the lid was lifted during agitation. The flapper is the trip level for the off-balance switch. When the tub was off balance in spin, the agitator would hit that level and stop the machine.

*****Post# 22154-9/17/2002-19:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had! (1955 Set. Did I understand your story correctly?)
MESSAGE: No w I REALLY have Frigidaire envey.

*****Post# 22155-9/17/2002-19:02 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (Playing vidoes)
MESSAGE: At home I'm on a MAC, not windows. Is it possible to play the videos of your Frigidaire on my Mac? And if so can you tell me how? I'm not exactly what you'd call a computer whiz. Thanks.
Les

*****Post# 22157-9/17/2002-19:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: Good luck Scott. I hope you can get that part - it would be a shame to lose that machine for lack of a pump! I wonder if we could retro-fit a newer style Hoover pump on that machine...

*****Post# 22158-9/17/2002-19:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Bruce, yes, there's at least one other club member that got accussed of oversudsing their bendix more tha once I'm sure. (and it isn't me). Even cost him a trip to the beach once. As for me, I was 18 months old and would open the door while it was washing and let all the water out/down the driveway--much to my mom's chagrin and embarrassment.

*****Post# 22159-9/17/2002-19:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: There's more in Iowa to be had!
MESSAGE: From the sounds of things in UK, I'm thinking we should be in good shape, I'll keep you posted! The pump seemed familiar to Andrew, the person who is helping me.

*****Post# 22160-9/17/2002-19:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks to all of you
MESSAGE: Phiulippe, what, and we didn't know-??? When steve 1-18, Rhinnie, & I were driving to Maryland, we may have been "in the neighborhood'~!~

*****Post# 22163-9/17/2002-19:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (Playing vidoes)
MESSAGE: Les can view them on a Mac but you cannot view them in Quicktime. You need to download the latest version of the Microsoft Media Player. You can get it at microsoft.com.

*****Post# 22164-9/17/2002-19:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: I'm Going To Bring Down Applianceville Temporarily
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone around 9:00pm Central Time, 4:00am Amsterdam Time and 12:00 Noon Sydney/Melbourne Time I'm going to bring down Applianceville for a couple of hours to start testing some new posting features I am coding for the club. I will bring it back up as soon as possible.

*****Post# 22165-9/17/2002-19:50 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: I'm glad to hear that there were other children out there who had the same curiosity as I had. Keep in touch it's good to talk.

Bruce

*****Post# 22166-9/17/2002-20:36 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Going To Bring Down Applianceville Temporarily (Chat Room -- open for a few hours tonight)
MESSAGE: I've opened the chat room for a while while Robert has App'ville down.

*****Post# 22167-9/17/2002-20:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm Going To Bring Down Applianceville Temporarily (Chat Room!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn - I went in the chat room and no one was their
Anyway can we bookmark it & keep it going?
Peter

*****Post# 22168-9/17/2002-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Building A Better Applianceville
MESSAGE: Back on May 21, 2001 when Applianceville was a mere one day old, Glenn (Dadoes) asked the following question in Post #92: "What is the possibility for having a "preview post" function, for purposes of proofreading and editing before final submission?"

Well it only took a year and a half before I got around to writing it, but now, in my first major revision to Applianceville, I have added a Preview System to our Post A New Message and Reply To This Post functions. Check it out, go ahead a press Post A New Message or Reply To This Post (from inside a message) and play with the new system. After you type your initial message press when done PUSH to Preview and check out how your message might look. Make some changes, press preview again, and when you are satisfied press Post this to Applianceville.

The nice thing about this is you can test your links before you post them as well as see the results of any HTML code you might have added to your post!

Now I did quite a bit of testing, but I can't catch everything and just like when we first went live with Applianceville there are going to be some bugs. If you do find a bug please post a message about it so I can research it and fix it.

I also fixed an annoying thing about adding a link to your post. Now you do not have to type in http:// in your link anymore, the system will automatically insert this if its not already there. Some users like to just type in www.theirlink.com and in the old system it wouldn't work without typing http://www.theirlink.com, but now it should.

Hopefully this wasn't too confusing. Let me know what you think of the instructions I've placed into the Preview System, if they are confusing or you think the wording should be changed to make it easier to use, please lets discuss.

*****Post# 22170-9/17/2002-22:37 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new (WELCOME LES!)
MESSAGE: Hi, great group here and very helpful and knowledgable. Hope you enjoy........ I also like the old window A/C's too, My mom gave my brother a 1965 Carrier 8,700 BTU's window unit; white steel cabinet with white and gray interior, thing worked fantastic, weighed a ton and my brother left it in the window of the building he USE TO rent............uuggggghhhh, its gone......

*****Post# 22171-9/17/2002-22:39 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: More to be had in IOWA
MESSAGE: what i would not do for a Frigidaire and Kelvinator washer.... run with that.............(ahhahahah)

*****Post# 22172-9/17/2002-22:40 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Hard, Old Rubber Parts.....Possible Remedy
MESSAGE: Hi All, Been working on my new Golden Touch Kelvinators. The boot under the agitator was hard and crunchy from age. Tried a trick I use on car restoration: Soak the rubber parts in BRAKE FLUID. It adds a certain amount of resiliency back to old rubber, and since a car brake system is made up of many rubber parts, actually conditions rubber and preserves it. It seemed to do the trick on the Kelvinator parts. I put the boot back on, its much softer now and seemed to work fine. Pics to follow soon of its Splash Dance........

*****Post# 22174-9/17/2002-22:42 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (Playing vidoes)
MESSAGE: Thanks! I'll check on the download. In the meantime, I'll play your Frigidaire videos tomorrow morning on the office computer which is a PC. You should have seen the look on my co-workers faces today when they walked in and saw me glued to the screen watching the ABC-O-Matic splashing away and the 1956 Norge Timeline doing it's famous overflo rinse!

*****Post# 22175-9/17/2002-22:44 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Hard, Old Rubber Parts.....Possible Remedy (cool, anxious to see pics.......)
MESSAGE: that does sound like a great idea, maybe that will work on the bushings on my compressor on my Norge refrigerator.......(P.S. - what a nightmare that app has been - uuggghhh)
-GregM

*****Post# 22176-9/17/2002-22:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hard, Old Rubber Parts.....Possible Remedy (Golden Touch Washer/Golden Touch Agitation)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, does this machine you just got say "Golden Touch Washer" or some such thing on the panel? A lot of folks don't know they were ever called that, but I think that was because Kelvinator kept changing the name of their wash action (i.e. Golden Touch, Energetic, Eccentric, etc.)

*****Post# 22177-9/17/2002-22:48 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm new (WELCOME LES!)
MESSAGE: My dumb cousin gave away a 1956 Westinghouse window unit (pistachio green front cover with a dark green outer frame) that was in perfect working order without even asking me if I wanted it. I was furious! It weighed about two tons! And my parents sold our 1952 Deering casment window unit for 50 dollars at a garage sale while I was away at school. I was heartbroken when I got home and it was gone. The compressor on that baby purred like a kitten.

*****Post# 22181-9/17/2002-22:57 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire safety switch
MESSAGE: One distinct feature I remember about my Aunt's Frigidaire (I think it was a 56) was the safety switch which was placed on the back panel to the left of the main control timer. As long as the switch was NOT depressed the washer would run but if you opened the lid and let it rest against the back panel it would press the button and stop the machine. I've always thought this was the oddest safet switch ever. Of course I loved it because it made it easy to observe the washer in operation without having to press in a safety switch. All I had to do was hold the lid open to keep it from resting against the panel. Does anyone know what year Frigidaire first introduced this feature and how long it was used?

*****Post# 22182-9/17/2002-23:03 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: 1943-44 Bendix Deluxe Washer (1943-44 Bendix)
MESSAGE: It is nice to see another Bendix man on the posts. They were wonderful machines along with just about every other vintage machine with lots of sounds and chrome and lights. Too bad todays machines aren't that beautiful. I remember adding extra detergent to my moms bendix to get a over suds situation. Got in big trouble a couple of times, because my mom always poured a glass of water down the chute after the detergent to keep it clean. She knew if someone added extra. She was smart though. Just put in some sta-puff and the suds went away. Nice meeting you!

Is this the round door gasket or the gasket around the rectangular door flange on the cabinet (black rubber channel type around the porcelain frame

*****Post# 22184-9/17/2002-23:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More to be had in IOWA
MESSAGE: There is still a Frigidaire washer - the custom deluxe in white up there

*****Post# 22185-9/17/2002-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Kelvinators Work !!
MESSAGE: Jimmy sent me some pictures of his Kelvinator washer tonight and I took some of mine after it was up and running so I posted them for everyone to see the new babies up and running.

This machine's cycle is a bit different than the 1960 one I restored from the farm. The rinse cycle starts agitation at about 1/2 to 3/4 full and continues to fill. The stationary overflow comes after this (makes more sense really, after the clothes have been circulated for a couple of minutes to float away the soap scum more thoroughly) and then comes the splash away rinse. The 1960 model did the overflow and splash away first, then agitation for 2 minutes, then agitated overflow. Just like Kelvinator, always changing something. Too bad they didn't make it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Kelvinator+Kelvinator&.src=ph&.dnm=Jimmy%27s+Kelvinator+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Kelvinator%2bKelvinator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22189-9/18/2002-05:12 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: More to be had in IOWA (Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Is it a solid tub Jetcone? If not,what kind of Pulsator? I might want it.

*****Post# 22190-9/18/2002-06:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hard, Old Rubber Parts.....Possible Remedy (WOW)
MESSAGE: Yes, Jimmy - that sounds like a very practical solution to a tough problem. Curious though - is that brake fluid tough to clean off the rubber parts? Just asking since the brake fluid may be a good solution for those brittle rubber parts on the Philco washers - parts that are right in the tub and in direct contact with the clothes.

BTW, can't wait for pics of the 60's Philco pair - up and running!

*****Post# 22191-9/18/2002-07:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !!
MESSAGE: You know Greg, I have always wondered if so many of the older brands didn't make it as a result of their being acquired by White Consolidated. That seemed to be the kiss of death for Hamilton, Gibson, Kelvinator and Westinghouse. I guess when you start giving these appliances away on game shows that is another danger sign. I never saw Frigidaires or old GE's on Let's Make A Deal!!

Another thing I noticed recently. While at a local appliance parts store, there were some WCI parts packaged in plastic with the various brand names on them (Gibson, Tappan, Kelvinator). But it also included Philco. I haven't seen a Philco anything since 1972. I didn't know WCI even acquired the Philco name, let alone produce anything with the Philco name!

Of course this is the same parts store that is selling a replacement "jet flow" bed of nails filter for $40.00...........

*****Post# 22193-9/18/2002-07:23 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Hard, Old Rubber Parts.....Possible Remedy (WOW)
MESSAGE: The brake fluid is not hard at all to wash off the rubber parts.......and it is a MUST to get it all off if silicone sealer is going to be used. I did a soak of about 3 hrs for the Kelvinator boot. If it was really bad, I think an overnight soak would be more helpful.

*****Post# 22194-9/18/2002-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !!
MESSAGE: For a variety of reasons like rising production, labor, freight costs, etc. many of the smaller appliance companies couldn't compete with the larger, more diversified manufacturers in a changing economy. American Motors sold off the Kelvinator division to keep their auto plants running for a while longer, GM shed Frigidaire when the energy crunch took it's toll on the economy. I can't imagine how hard it must be today for a company like Staber to begin manufacturing a new product in an industry literally controlled by three giant manufacturers.

I too have noticed the Philco name on several parts from Electrolux, but have yet to see an appliance branded Philco.

Don't pay $40 for a filter - that's insane!

*****Post# 22195-9/18/2002-07:45 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: (but ..............)
MESSAGE: its the shipping that kills me, plus is it worth it?? I mean, I heard the guy was rather, well, how can I be polite about this,??? ................ $100.00 for the machine not even knowing if it works or not plus shipping or I rent a vehicle and drive out there?? I should probably hang in there for something closer........ I have yet to go to an estate sale around here, but don't seem to be able to find any yet.......

*****Post# 22196-9/18/2002-07:50 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (why didnt they make it?)
MESSAGE: do you know why? was there some inherent flaw? was it the competition?

*****Post# 22197-9/18/2002-07:54 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Philco - FORD)
MESSAGE: I think Philco was taken over by FORD motor co. in the late sixties where as I remember my folks purchased all three new kitchen appliances with the Philco name and the traditional FORD logo right next to it. I don't think FORD had them for long, but not sure.

*****Post# 22199-9/18/2002-07:59 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag, et al (Lever - not level)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! That washer had the controls mounted flat on the front corners of the top. You refered to an (a) AMP maytag, what does that mean?

*****Post# 22200-9/18/2002-08:30 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Philco - FORD)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Ford Motor Co. bought out nearly bankrupt Philco (Philadelphia Battery Co.) in the early 60's, mainly to acquire Philco's defense contracts, therefore enabling Ford to enter the space program, as Ford Aerospace. Ford revitalized the company, with new washer and refrigerator designs, and also continued and expanded Philco-Ford electronics (color TV, radios) They made washers up to the very late 60's, and continued with TV's and refrigs till sometime into the 70's. Its a grey area as to why Ford and GM both dumped their appliance business. They certainly were profitable for them. Most likely, one of the reasons for their demise was anti-trust worries from the US govt, as the Co's were getting so big, they were worried that the govt would step in the break them into small divisions..........The oil problems of the 70's and GM's diminishing profits seemed to put a stop to all that talk.

*****Post# 22201-9/18/2002-08:34 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Philco-Ford Trivia
MESSAGE: Triva for you Philco fans: Spanky McFarland, from the Little Rascals (OurGang comedies) was the Philco-Ford sales rep for the state of Texas in the 60's! He probably sold lots of Flex-A-Wash's.

I'm all about Hotpoint -- a solid tub, Silhouette burp-up agitator Hotpoint with a 2 foot tall console! I didn't want anyone to get too excited over that eBay offering. Even when they switched to the GE-under-the-hood, there were/are still prettier HP's out there.

*****Post# 22207-9/18/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (That's amazing!)
MESSAGE: Actually, I'm not that surprised. I was shocked to find that once I cleaned all the dirt out of the Kelvinator that I brought home from the farm, it worked without any repairs to the belts, drive unit or timer! I couldn't fix the slow drip out of the pump shaft seal, so I replaced it with a modern electric GE washer pump, but otherwise it worked like a charm!

*****Post# 22208-9/18/2002-09:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: I guess when you start giving these appliances away on game shows that is another danger sign. I never saw Frigidaires or old GE's on Let's Make A Deal!!

You know Anthony that is a very interesting observation, I had never thought of that before, but it really makes sense.

*****Post# 22209-9/18/2002-09:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Hotpoint on ebay (possible bug?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, I'm glad you like it. I love programming, its sort of like my grandmother doing the New York Times crossword puzzle (and as she used to boast "in Ink"!). For me, programming is one of my favorite mind bender games.

Anyway, I think there might be a bug. It has only showed up once so far, on post 22195 from GregM. I believe he is replying to Greg's post 22184, but it didn't repeat the subject or text of Greg's intial post. GregM, do you remember anything strange happening when you made this post?

Lets keep a watch out for any RE:'s that don't have a subject next to them.

*****Post# 22210-9/18/2002-09:20 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire safety switch (1956 Imperial Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: That's the same washer my aunt had except her agitator was grey instead of brown. But the color of the porcelin tub and the control dials are identical. Thanks!

*****Post# 22211-9/18/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Hotpoint on ebay (possible bug?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I just read his post and couldn't figure out what he was talking about since there was no subject line and the replied-to post wasn't below his post. I was thinking, "That crazy GregM, always talkin' up out of his head!", but then you pointed out the error, and I recanted my thoughts. This is a good kind of crazy to be! YAY!

*****Post# 22213-9/19/2002-12:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: YAY, Applianceville is Up and Running in it's New Home
MESSAGE: Hi everyone. We made a migration over to a brand new "state of the art" web-server. I've been told that this server will run much cleaner and give us less problems that on the older server we were hosted on.

There are some users that need to have their passwords fixed from last weeks crash. I'm a bit backed up so if you emailed me already about your password not working, I should have that done by tonight.

Thanks everyone for your patience.

*****Post# 22214-9/19/2002-12:57 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances
MESSAGE: With regard to previous discussion on this matter.....here are some more ideas to consider. It's said that General Motors management in the late 1960's; began growing concerned that the Frigidaire appliance division was not contributing it's fair share. The United Auto Workers employment contract that covered the appliance factory workers, insured similar pay and benefits as the auto plants. The auto business generated much greater income. The story continues, that from that point GM began contemplating exiting the appliance business. Well, there is a Whirlpool twist to this. By the mid 1970's, a proposition was made to merge Frigidaire appliances with Whirlpool. For one reason or another (FTC issues etc.) the co-mingling never got off the ground. Eventually WCI came around and the rest is history.

*****Post# 22215-9/19/2002-12:59 ||| FridgeSpace (UK)
SUBJECT: late 50s Kelvinator fridge free to good home (UK)
MESSAGE: Hello
I'm a PhD student doing research on fridges for a kind of cultural history of the domestic refrigerator - but more about that in a separate post.

For now, this is a quick call to see if anyone in/near London, UK, might be interested in a late 50s Kelvinator which will otherwise go for scrap. Though it's not currently working, it was in full working order up until about a month ago (with just a gasket replaced in 1973). It's around 6 cu ft, white, with a pale pink interior. The owner looked into donating it to the Science Museum collection and though they were quite interested in the end they weren't able to take it. She needs to get rid of it as soon as possible and has arranged for the local Council to dispose of it in the next few days unless anyone is able to take it off her hands. It was bought in 1959, as part of a discontinued line from, she thinks, a c1956 model.

Any interest, let me know ... quickly!
Thanks
Helen

*****Post# 22216-9/19/2002-13:20 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie
Very interesting! One has to wonder whether or not Whirlpool would have continued the Frigidaire up and down agitator. Just think of the possibilities that may have been...
Rich

*****Post# 22217-9/19/2002-13:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire )
MESSAGE: It's to bad that Whirlpool didn't get it.
Everyone can see how much Whirlpool did for KitchenAid
It would have probably been a dream come true to have a Jetaction Whirlpool!
Peter

*****Post# 22218-9/19/2002-13:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY, Applianceville is Up and Running in it's New Home (Applianceville is Up and Running)
MESSAGE: Thank You Robert for all your efforts
Peter

*****Post# 22219-9/19/2002-13:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY, Applianceville is Up and Running in it's New Home (Applianceville is Up and Running)
MESSAGE: Thank You Robert for all your efforts
Peter

*****Post# 22222-9/19/2002-15:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Fun with Sounds)
MESSAGE: You know Jason, it would be fun to record both a Kenmore "Grind-Click" and a Frigidaire "thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump" and combine the sounds in a sound editor to get a idea of what a morphed Frigidare/Whirlpool washer might sound like. :)

*****Post# 22223-9/19/2002-16:08 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic and Filtrator Goes to Hollywood (50's Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the great videos. Nothing beats a Frigidaire soap cloud and spin-off! Do you happen to have a close-up pic of the main control knob I could view?

*****Post# 22224-9/19/2002-16:56 ||| COMBOBOY (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: I was recalling the days of the auto/appliance giants and I can remember most of what happened with Frid/GM, Ford/Philco,Nash/Kel, but what ever happened to the Chrysler/Airtemp situation? Did AT ever make any home stuff other than a/c units?

*****Post# 22225-9/19/2002-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Frigpool)
MESSAGE: When I took sophomore economics in high school, WCI was one of my companies that chose to track through the school year. (I wonder why - Maytag and Sears were my other two choices!) This would have been probably 1980-81, shortly after the merger with Frigidaire. As I recall, WCI's earnings performance was quite good for the period I tracked them. I wish I'd saved the written report and documentation I'd gathered.

Since WCI did not aquire the Frigidaire design and production lines and only had to order new labels for their current line (which Whirlpool probably would have done also) they didn't have to absorb the cost of running additional factories. Mergers are extremely expensive and are an enormous drain on personnel to staff and manage the aquired company. With only a brand name aquisition, the costs would have been much lower and more readily profitable for a company like WCI.

I wonder what the actual terms of the sale were, it would be interesting to know what WCI paid for what they got.

Thanks for the history lesson Leslie!

*****Post# 22226-9/19/2002-17:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Picture time
MESSAGE: Because I was very busy lately I didn't have time to put the pictures of the convention and of the rest of the holiday on the net, but finally here they are. It started all with a few days with friends in Holland and it all ends in Bristol VA. Three weeks I enjoyed thoroughly. Three weeks of meeting wonderful people and lots of beautiful washers. What do you need more to have a perfect holiday!

*****Post# 22227-9/19/2002-17:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Lady Jetcone)
MESSAGE: ...just a thought on what one may have found at Sears, had this, rather than the other, merger, taken place! Hopefully Whirlpool would not have maken the same mistakes as WCI did. :-)

*****Post# 22228-9/19/2002-18:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Frigpool)
MESSAGE: I just wish I knew where the rights and patents are floating around, or if it would just be a public domain thing by now.

*****Post# 22229-9/19/2002-18:21 ||| Meliatx (houston, tx)
SUBJECT: button hole part kenmore model 54 sewing machine
MESSAGE: I have a dear old sewing machine. It is a wonderful Kenmore model 54. But I lost the button hole guide in a move from MS to TX. Any suggestions on old parts for sewing machines. I just had a baby and all her clothes so far have elastic or ties :)

*****Post# 22230-9/19/2002-18:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: button hole part kenmore model 54 sewing machine
MESSAGE: You might try Ebay...I often see Kenmore sewing machine parts on there, and things having to do with buttonholes. I'm not familiar with your model, but it might be worth a look to see if they have something you can use! Scott

*****Post# 22231-9/19/2002-18:59 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (WCI )
MESSAGE: The biggest mistake WCI made when purchasing Frigidaire was that they didn't get the factories. All they realy purchaced was the name Frigidaire. For 2 years 1979 & 1980 they paid GM to make the products for them. The cost was just to high. If they had at least kept the washers and the refrigation end they would have done well with Frigidaire. Their mistake was trying to fool everyone and say the products were just as good. The actual change over was actually January 1981. After that Frigidaire stock fell drastically and their business went to Maytag and Whirlpool. After WCI realized they made a mistake they wanted GM to start making the products again and general motors had shutdown everything and wouldn't start it backup. WCI had all the patents and everything was all on paper. The cost would have been to outragous to start from scratch, plus WCI didn't have skill. (So that ended the real Frigidaire) - For a long time I thought they would bring the stuff back - but never happened.
Whirlpool probably would have done it differently to start with
Peter

*****Post# 22233-9/19/2002-19:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we thoroughly enjoyed the photos of all the facets of your state visit. Did you purchase that lovely chandelier for one of the state dining rooms?

Many times as we have seen the television program, we had no idea "Cheers" was a real-life place.

QEOM

*****Post# 22234-9/19/2002-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: button hole part kenmore model 54 sewing machine
MESSAGE: Hi - I'm not sure who made your machine for Sears/Kenmore, but you might try the link below to the parts store online. If you don't find what you are looking for in their database, you can email them with what you need and they should be able to help you. Good luck!

*****Post# 22235-9/19/2002-21:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Great pictures! I'm glad you had such a wonderful time, it looks like you were able to see some beautiful places this trip too! When you come to the midwest for a convention, you'll see corn and cattle as far as the eye can see...how exciting!!!

I made this a few months ago.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/vwp?.dir=/pictures/weird+stuff&.dnm=Frigidaire+RS.jpg&.src=bc&.view=l&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f%26.dir=/pictures/weird%2bstuff%26.src=bc%26.view=l

Those Kenmores were the ones that was in the laundromat that my mom worked for way back in the 70s. I grew up with those machines and the Milnor front-loaders. Those machines are the reason I'm here today.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/2002+Convention+and+Holidays&.dnm=Kenmore+control+panel.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp%3f.dir=/2002%2bConvention%2band%2bHolidays%26.dnm=Super%2bRotoswirl.jpg%26.src=ph

*****Post# 22239-9/19/2002-22:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More to be had in IOWA
MESSAGE: Greg, Many of us want a Frigidaire. We're all waiting in line, so join us in the line. LOL

*****Post# 22240-9/19/2002-22:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Philco - FORD)
MESSAGE: Greg - If I am not mistaken, Ford owned Philco for a good few years - at least from the early 60's and probably before. However, the Ford part of name was not incorporated into the Philco logo until the last few years Philco appliances were sold. I know that Philco laundry completely disappeared around 1972, but am not sure about the other appliances. Probably around the mid 1970's since I recall a 1974 Consumer Reports that rated Philco refrigerators.......

*****Post# 22242-9/19/2002-22:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Hotpoint on ebay (let's go!)
MESSAGE: Just for yuks, I will recall Hotpoint's actual name for that "burp-up" filter. It was called the "fountain filter" - I guess because it could resembel a fountain and a it has a bit more sales appeal than "burp up" (LOL)

*****Post# 22243-9/19/2002-22:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: Robert - that was just one of those thoughts that flew through my head one day when we were talking about some old game shows and someone mentioned that they always seemed to be giving away Gibson appliances, and then quoted the announcer saying "Gibson ....... one of the White Consolidated Industries". That was when the little gears in my head began to turn..

*****Post# 22244-9/19/2002-23:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY, Applianceville is Up and Running in it's New Home (Applianceville is Up and Running)
MESSAGE: I second that - once again Robert your time and efforts make all the difference.....

*****Post# 22246-9/19/2002-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY, Applianceville is Up and Running in it's New Home (Applianceville is Up and Running)
MESSAGE: Yes Robert, a heart-felt thank you.

*****Post# 22247-9/19/2002-23:32 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco-Ford Trivia
MESSAGE: How did I know Spanky McFarland worked for Philco-Ford?
He came to Akron in the late 80's, and made a guest appearance/lecture at a film festival of the Little Rascals films. During his talk, he mentioned that the only stable job he ever had after leaving film work was for Philco-Ford when he lived in Texas. He was their sales rep for the whole state, and did that until they went out of business. From that point on, he made his living from doing lectures and guest appearances at film fests, and marketing his name with the Little Rascals. It was a wonderful evening, he died not long after that, and I was fortunate to have seen him in person, and also got his autograph. What a great guy he was.....and into Philcos too!

*****Post# 22248-9/19/2002-23:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Fun with Sounds)
MESSAGE: Well, I have to say, that at times, when I do a small load on regular agitation (doesn't happen anymore these days) and hear the rapid splashing and the ka-thunk as it kicks into agitation, it reminds me of a GM Frigidaire and combine that with the Whirlpool sound. Even on full water level now, the fast strokes hitting the end of each stroke mechanically is reminiscent of the thumpa ...... That's what attracted me to this washer, the rollover was so reminiscent of a Frigidaire--who knew what lurked down at the base of the skirt though!!!

*****Post# 22249-9/19/2002-23:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Washers from all different countries!
MESSAGE: I found this and it is kinda cool in case anyone is interested. On th left side look under products to see the different kinds of washers.
LINK: http://www.worldwashingmachines.com/

*****Post# 22250-9/19/2002-00:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Luigi, thanks for taking such great pics. I particularly liked seeing pics of the MA wash in and Jon's house. Yes, Al does look like a happy dog for sure. Bubba

*****Post# 22251-9/19/2002-01:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Fun with Pictures (that is fun!))
MESSAGE: I always thought the Roto-Swirl was "full figured" but look at how large it is in a 12lb tub - it probably wouldn't fit in a 9 lb tub at all!

*****Post# 22252-9/19/2002-01:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More to be had in IOWA (What line?)
MESSAGE: Or, simply avoid the line and call the man in Iowa - there are lots of Frigidaires there! Several early 60's air-flow dryers, a 55 Filtrator (there were two, I have one) a mid 60's Custom Deluxe washer in white, a 68 Crown washer in white and don't forget about the Blackstone/Hoover dryer just for fun!

*****Post# 22253-9/19/2002-01:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: I remember lots of Speed Queen pairs on the Price is Right in the 70's. Lots of WCI Gibson and some Amana, microwave ovens were popping up quite often too.

*****Post# 22255-9/20/2002-02:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: I seem to recall a lot of Speed Queen sets being given away on game shows.

*****Post# 22257-9/20/2002-07:58 ||| MrCoffee (Flint, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Is this discrimination?
MESSAGE: I noticed that there are some problems with the videos on the web page. I especially noticed the requirement for Windows Media Player.

Sorry, but I do not use Windows. Nor will I ever. I am a Linux and OS-X user. It is my hope that the videos can be converted into a more open format, such as mov or mpg.

Not only would Windows users still be able to view the files, those files could also be viewed by the rest of us who use other (and we believe more superior) operating systems.

Thank you for your consideration.

*****Post# 22258-9/20/2002-08:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention that Rich, I do remember seeing occasional Speed Queens as prizes, and there might even have been one or two Maytag sets over the years. I think that WCI stuff was the norm on most shows though. Remember those announcers: "Speed Queen..... a McGraw Edison division"..... and "Maytag - the dependability people"...

*****Post# 22259-9/20/2002-09:04 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (Great Pictures!!!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
You took some great pictures on your vacation. I hoped you enjoyed yourself. And it was great to meet you at the convention too!!!!

*****Post# 22260-9/20/2002-09:16 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Philco Ford Demise
MESSAGE: I pretty much remember that too. I know I had a Philco Ford room A/C that lasted 29 years before it finally bit the dust. I should have repaired it since I think it was the capacitor that went on it. I bought it in 1971 and worked great. But I have a newspaper article when Ford sold Philco to WCI, and I will try to find it. But I do remember the small article stating that WCI will keep Philco a separate unit and will expand its lineup. But that never happened as we all can see. I will look for it and post it.

*****Post# 22261-9/20/2002-10:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Fun with Pictures (that is fun!))
MESSAGE: It's not an accurate rendering. It wasn't a very good editing job, just something I threw together. But you're right, the RS is way too big for the Unimatic tub.

*****Post# 22262-9/20/2002-10:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Kenmore multi-cycles
MESSAGE: Can any of you Kenmore experts tell we what year Sears rolled out the first top loader with both a normal & delicate cycle and also when the wash n wear (later permanent press) cycle was introduced? I remember my friend's Mom had a Kenmore from mid 50's I think that had the normal cycle in yellow and the delicate in aqua. The lettering was stationary on the control panel and the pointer was on the rotating timer knob which was gold and quite small in diameter. The first model with wash n wear was very similar except it also had this third cycle in orange letters. In the center of the rotating timer knob were the words "2 speed". Also, instead of the word "spin" it said "Damp Dry" on normal and "D. Dry" on the delicate & wash n wear.
Les

*****Post# 22265-9/20/2002-12:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Queen For A Day)
MESSAGE: The game show "Queen for a Day" always used to give away Speed Queens.

*****Post# 22266-9/20/2002-12:41 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (Fun with Pictures)
MESSAGE: How about a Frigidaire three-ring agitator inside a Kenmore tub? Can you imagine that thing bopping up and down around Kenmore's old horseshoe shaped ring? What a sight THAT would make!

*****Post# 22267-9/20/2002-12:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this discrimination?
MESSAGE: To be honest Tom the reason I use the WMV format is because the Windows Media Format takes up a whole lot less disk space than the MPEG, about a third to be exact. Server space is expensive and in order to have as many vidoes as possible I need to watch the file sizes.

If you are a MAC OS-X user, then simply go to the microsoft web site and download Windows Media Player for MAC and you can view these video files. They might even have a Linux version of the Windows Media Player, that I cannot say for sure.

I could code the files into Quick Time MOV files, but that format creates slightly larger files than WMV and all the windows users would need to download Quick Time, just like the MAC Users need to download Windows Media Player, and sorry but there are a lot more windows users than Mac Users using this site. In the reports I get, they should Windows Usage at 95% and Mac usage at about 5%, so WMV it is! Of course things can change quickly in the technology world, so who knows that next year will bring.

I had indeed a wonderful time in the US again, not only at the convention, but also with Jon (he was a wonderful host) and down south too. So it's corn and cattle where you live? I guess with some nice sunsets that could make beautiful pictures.

I found it quite strange to find those Kenmores in the laundryroom since the hotel was only 3 years old I believe. Do you know how old these washers and dryers could be? I loved the roll over from the Super Surgilator and although I only used warm water and a small amount of Tide things became really clean.

Are these dryers automatic or do they have cycles with preset times?

Louis

*****Post# 22271-9/20/2002-13:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Game Show Give-a-ways)
MESSAGE: That makes me think that I have never seen a Miele on a game show overhere!

*****Post# 22273-9/20/2002-13:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Crazy
MESSAGE: After I got back home I caught up with all the messages posted here. Believe me, that was quite a job after being three weeks from home. I saw all the pictures of the new appliances people found, responding to all those messages was too much, but there were some real beauties there! In the meantime I thought I was really crazy catching up like that. It was just that I had always read all the messages. Not only here but also on the Yahoo club. And the members from the beginnning will remember that it all started with a group that Jeff Lefever started. So I started counting....

The first group shows only 4 messages (I posted there on Thursday July 29th 1999), but the Yahoo club was a great succes, we posted there (and it's still going on as a Yahoo group, Classicappliances2) 19555 messages. After that we moved to this new website (Thanks again Robert) and message 22272 was the last one I read. So that makes a total of 41831 messages I have read in just over three years! I didn't even count the messages in the Applianceville-Sandbox, nor the many mails I exchanged with other people about appliances. Am I crazy? YES! Crazy about appliances!!

Louis

*****Post# 22274-9/20/2002-13:48 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this discrimination? (WMV format)
MESSAGE: I talked to our IS manager that uses linux and he says to try Real Time player for the WMV.

*****Post# 22275-9/20/2002-13:48 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this discrimination?
MESSAGE: I just installed the mac-friendly version of windows media player and now all the videos at this site play great on my G4. I'm defintiely a MAC OS boy. Don't like PC's. Never have... probably never will.

*****Post# 22276-9/20/2002-13:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (OMG)
MESSAGE: Those Kenmores are 1974 models. This was their UGLY year before they went to the black-face models. Still they were belt-driven models and had RotoSwirls. And you better believe it, a RotoSwirl will move lots of clothes. Hence, my favorite agitator.

*****Post# 22277-9/20/2002-14:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (OMG)
MESSAGE: My least favorite Kenmore agitator is that crazy "double action" one they're using now and have been since they went to direct drive. It's terrible on clothes. Tears buttons off shirts, rips garnments to shreds, tangles things up even worse than the old Frigidaires. At least the Frigidaires are fun to watch and make great bubble cakes. I'm with you, Jason. Give me an old RotoSwirl belt-driven over that direct-drive corkscrew thing Kenmore uses now anyday!

My favorite Kenmores are still the 50's and 60's models. Although the 72 Lady Kenmore with the white adjustable agitator is quite nice.

I remember once, and only once, that my mom tried Blue Cheer in her Westy Laundromat. The suds rose all the way up and covered the whole window like that. It was Dash after that!

*****Post# 22280-9/20/2002-16:50 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore multi-cycles (Kenmore cycle colors)
MESSAGE: You are so right about how they changed over the years. Besides the two I mentioned earlier, I remember a neighbor's model that had pale yellow for normal, pink for wash n wear, mint green for delicates and blue for pre-wash. This machine had the letters & numbers written in raised silver characters on the rotating dial and the pointer was stationary. The background behind the characters was painted the various colors depending on the cycle. Other models replaced the wash n wear pink for an orangie color. Another model I recall had a control dial almost identical to the 58 Frigidaire on this site's homepage with the pointer rotating and the lettering painted on the backpanel. In those days the Kenmore control panels were always exciting.

*****Post# 22281-9/20/2002-16:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock
MESSAGE: My Mom was a Tide user and their formula in the 60's and 70's made tons of suds. Sometimes it was all her late 50's Hotpoint (with the long-necked agitator) could do to spin through those suds. Thank heavens for Hotpoint's deep, overflow rinse! That was of course when a Hotpoint had it's own individuality and wasn't just a GE under the hood.

*****Post# 22282-9/20/2002-17:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock (no Hotpoint suds here...)
MESSAGE: I have trouble getting even a thin layer of suds with my long-neck Hotpoint washer, even in softened water. Only when I start the agitation with a little water and detergent before adding the clothes do I get suds in that machine. Did your mother do this too? My grandmother always added the clothes after the washer was full and the detergent dissolved thoroughly into the water - wringer style!

*****Post# 22283-9/20/2002-17:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock (no Hotpoint suds here...)
MESSAGE: My Mom always started the water first and added the clothes as the tub was filling. Then she'd dump a bunch of Tide right under the water spout. I think that's what did it. The force of the water hitting directly on the soap powder. Results: Lots of suds.
And we're not even going to talk about what my Aunt's 56 Frigidaire could do with a scoop of Tide! :O

*****Post# 22284-9/20/2002-18:00 ||| Bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (OMG)
MESSAGE: I got rid of the avocado Kenmore gas dryer that came with my house. Similar control panel shape lower trim strip and plastic endcaps, but with woodgrain & gold appearance. Had moisture sensor, didn't work though. Wonder how old it was?

Noisy, took forver to heat, drum paint worn away, so attached a Phiilips bit and 3/8" socket adapter to my drills and disassembled it for easy carry up the basement steps. Tore it down to an empty cabinet, and found $5.00 in change, chips for free bar drinks, a gold necklace, and lots of combustible lint packed in nooks and crannies.

*****Post# 22286-9/20/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore multi-cycles (Kenmore )
MESSAGE: Some of the upper line models had that feature, and others you simply turned the dial to the correct letter and pushed it in, it didn't stop by itself.

*****Post# 22287-9/20/2002-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Is that the Pulitzer committee calling??
MESSAGE: In this months issue of The Old Road Home (for all types of appliance collectors) our very own Rober Seger has written an article about Frigidaire washers complete with pictures and illustrations. The article gives a brief history of Frigidaire washer designs from 1947-1979 and even touts our little club here too!

Congrats on being published again Robert - way to go!!

For those of you who don't subscribe, this link will take you to the quarterly magazine's home page - it really is a very interesting magazine.
LINK: http://www.antiquestoves.com/toac/about.htm

*****Post# 22290-9/20/2002-22:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock
MESSAGE: Does that mean your mom had the wash day Blues and Cheerfully Dashed off to the store to buy the new-fangled detergent again?

*****Post# 22291-9/20/2002-22:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore multi-cycles (Kenmore cycle colors)
MESSAGE: Les, that last washer you mentioned that was similar to the WCI58, my cousins had that dryer (a Model 70) from about 64-66 model years I believe. Had forgotten about that dryer until you mentioned it.

*****Post# 22292-9/20/2002-22:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock (no Hotpoint suds here...)
MESSAGE: My mom always started water, added soap, and then clothes. Me, I added clothes, started washer, but NEVER put detergent under water source. Simply for the reason of lowering the suds profussion. I still do this to this day to aid in rinsing in the Shredmore (you know, the one that doesn't have a spray rinse between the wash & rinse cycles and room only for one spray rinse after the deep rinse) LOL.

*****Post# 22293-9/20/2002-22:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic O Day: sudsblock (no Hotpoint suds here...)
MESSAGE: Ooops, I meant to say I add soap, then clothes, and then start washer today. This is so detergent is on bottom of tub and is dissolving better while the load is washed on gentle. Gentle and detergent on top of load do not "mix" LOL.

*****Post# 22294-9/20/2002-21:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is that the Pulitzer committee calling??
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, it was fun to write and I thought Jack at The Old Road Home Designed the layout very well. He wants to do an article on the Farm next, so maybe all of us boyz who have been to the farm can contribute their experiences and write up a story!

*****Post# 22295-9/20/2002-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Is that the Pulitzer committee calling??
MESSAGE: That would be a lot of fun - keep us posted!
Congrats again - great article...

*****Post# 22297-9/21/2002-01:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (OMG)
MESSAGE: I too love that agitator, I had fun watching the clothes move around. Do you know anything about these commercial dryers? I had the impression there was not an automatic dryer but the cycles had preset times.

The two lines continued parallel for a few years. Then Whirlpool developed the Direct Drive line, and the Frigidaire technology was combined with the Whirlpool DD technology to create a washer which twisted your clothes into ropes before shredding them...

Chris.

*****Post# 22300-9/21/2002-08:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers from all different countries!
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie.
Thanks for posting that, it was great.
I have saved it as a favourite.

Chris.

*****Post# 22301-9/21/2002-11:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (OMG)
MESSAGE: I think those are timed cycles. Those were the 5.7 (I think) capacity dryers of the day.

The Rotoswirl is to Kenmore like the 3-ring is to Frigidaire. It's the best of its kind.

Nothing BORING about them at all.

*****Post# 22302-9/21/2002-12:01 ||| Zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: The trojan horse 1-18
MESSAGE: I've been lurking around this site since day 1, but an experience today goaded me to register so I could vent...

Like a number of you on this site, I am in the hunt for a GM-built Frigidaire washer, primarily as a shop-rag washer but also as a collector's item. It's not an exhaustive search...no bidding a grand and change on eBay for a classic 1965 unit or driving to a neighboring state to scour a boneyard, just occasionally hitting garage and estate sales to see what turns up.

Well, I pulled up to one garage sale this morning and espied a coppertone 1-18 pair in the garage. $90.00/pair. Top-of-the-line, with a window lid. YES! But, on closer inspection of the washer, major letdown...something did not look right through the window. Upon opening the lid, my fears were confirmed...that's a conventional oscillating agitator where the pulsator should be. Funny, the console advertises a "1-18" and it looks the part, but the missing GM logo in the brand emblem pretty much tells the story. (For the record, the dryer was a GM built unit.) Needless to say, I passed on it.

Sorry, but I didn't bring a digital camera along, or I would have taken pictures of this early WCI-era travesty.

*****Post# 22303-9/21/2002-15:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The trojan horse 1-18
MESSAGE: Hi, welcome to the club. That piece of crap (in plain English) that you saw was one of the earlier Westinghouse models. What infuriated many of us at that time was how they made it look just like the regular Frigidaire washers in every way til you opened the lid. They even had the little water level diagram on front, just like the GM ones did. I'm a little surprised they were still producing machines in Coppertone that late.

Sorry for your disappointment, and hopefully in time you'll come across just what you want! Scott

*****Post# 22304-9/21/2002-15:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The trojan horse 1-18 (Fake 1/18)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the Club,
I don't ever remember WCI having a window on any of these tragic washers? The looks were so much alike.
Peter

*****Post# 22306-9/21/2002-17:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The trojan horse 1-18
MESSAGE: OUCH!!! What a letdown that must have been!! Impostors!! Poseurs!! How dare they!! And every time I hear a story like that - it's like the first time all over again!

*****Post# 22307-9/21/2002-18:19 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinators Work !! (Philco short For Philidelphia Storage Battery Co.)
MESSAGE: Philco actually started out in the early 1900's as the maker of storage batteries, hence the name. In the 1920's they started making battereis for farm radio's which then lead to Philco eventually making their own radio's and then appliances. Here is a link to a page that sells a modern version of the Philco Predicta Tv and it also happens to explain how the Predicta Tv put Philco into Ford's waiting hands in 1962.
LINK: http://www.uptownaudio.com/predicta.htm

*****Post# 22308-9/21/2002-18:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Fun day at the sales today, and how fabulous that it was the first day in nearly four months that I could wear a sweatshirt, YAY for autumn!

A

*****Post# 22309-9/21/2002-18:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Fun day at the estate sales today, and how fabulous that it was cool enought that I could wear a sweatshrit, the first time in nearly four months, YAY I love autumn!

Anyway, we so some fun things, nothing really that vintage in the washer department, but there was a early 1970's Gibson washer which is a rare treat, as well as one of the last Westinghouse-style top loaders...

This picture is one long picture of pictures (1.09mb), so those who don't have broadband give it a minute or two to completely load...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Sales-9-21-02.jpg

*****Post# 22310-9/21/2002-19:27 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (1970s Gibson)
MESSAGE: Was it for sale? The control panel is very much like a Philco!

*****Post# 22311-9/21/2002-20:32 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Mystery Solved! When I was in Omaha last week, Greg had two lintfilter/fabric softener dispenser pans that neither of us could identify. From your estate sales pics, low and behold, there it is, sitting on the lid of the Gibson washer..........He gave me one of them, now all we need is the washer that fits underneath it...........

*****Post# 22312-9/21/2002-20:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Estate Sales In Connecticut
MESSAGE: Well, this weekend saw nothing promising here in Lower Fairfield County estate sales. What was particularly disappointing was that at at least 4 of them, I was faced with the usual junk infested tag sale. I guess people are figuring that calling it an estate sale draws more people. And at those same 4, you couldn't even get into the house.

At the others, nothing special. Some 80's Maytags and Whirlpools but nothing even remotely close to vintage. Not even a decent box of detergent.

However in one house I could see the kitchen - - very promising with a copper brown Hotpoint 40 inch electric range and an avocado GE side by side, as well as some old orange Bold Detergent measuring cups (given away with the free samples from 1965). However, the basement and kitchen were sealed off like Fort Knox and nothing there was for sale -so I wonder what the laundry equipment looked like. Since the house is still for sale, I will have to check it out when there is a public open house.........there is more than one way to skin the cat.

Cool sights today, but nothing to bring home. I noticed the NFS (not for sale) tag on the washer, probably will get left in the house and then krushed by the new owners. It would be fun to play with, but only for a couple of loads as I'm sure this Gibson lives up to the reputation of it's Franklin cousins!

*****Post# 22314-9/21/2002-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks for the pics from the sales. And I particularly appreciate the close-up of the Gibson's control panel and the Whirlpool too. Could someone please explain to me was that a vintage Westy fridge or Freezer. Ya oknow, the one with the door open and the 3 big bins. Also, personally, I think Glady is a dead wringer for the best pic of the day. She's doing her job, growing like a weed. And so cute!!! Give her hugs and treats for me & Beau.

*****Post# 22315-9/21/2002-21:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Franklin filter/dispenser)
MESSAGE: How fun to see that - we figured it was probably a Franklin machine and there it is!

Our sales weren't that great, but we have a couple more to hit tomorrow. It was beautiful weather here too so we spent the day outside and a good portion in the garage getting the 55 Frigidaires ready to move down. They are going to be stunning under the glow of the romantic mood lighting I've installed! Pics to follow soon!

*****Post# 22318-9/21/2002-21:23 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD very cool!!
MESSAGE: That 59 Frigidaire control panel looked a bit Kenmore-influenced to me. I like it a lot, it just reminds me of a Kenmore.

He also sent one of a very fun dishwasher we've all seen and stared at in the stores, but never owned...

I posted these photos to his photo album:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gefilterflo/vwp?.dir=/New+Arrivals&.src=ph&.dnm=Kelvinator+Set+Ready+to+Wash.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gefilterflo/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bArrivals%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22321-9/21/2002-21:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures (Kelvinator Set!!)
MESSAGE: That is extremly rare to get a set like that
AWSOME
Best Of Luck!
Peter

*****Post# 22322-9/21/2002-21:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting the pictures, Robert. They were fun. That Gibson is rare...I have never seen one. I've seen many "Frigidaires" with that tub and agitator however. Who'd have thought? It's cool how many folks in the midwest would keep their wringer washer after they got an automatic.

*****Post# 22323-9/21/2002-21:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 55 Filtrator Choked by Lint
MESSAGE: I took the top of the 1955 Frigidaire Filtra-Matic dryer today to give it a 'quick' cleaning. It turned into nearly a whole day project, but I got it done and all back together and it works beautifully.

When I found this dryer in the Early, Iowa store, I was thrilled to find the factory cleaning brush inside the drum. I thought at the time, "the brush looks nearly new." Turns out that brush was so nice because it got very little use, have a look!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Filtrator+Lint+Trap.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22326-9/21/2002-22:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: Well, the pics look wonderful. I wish I could have that demo dishwasher. But, Max & Kirk are gonna let me have their Maytag belt-drive dishwasher when they get rid of it and get something more modern. My first "collectable" appliance.

*****Post# 22327-9/21/2002-23:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD very cool!!
MESSAGE: Rich, I thought the same thing when I first saw that '59 Frigidaire timer dial -- looked like a Kenmore!

*****Post# 22328-9/22/2002-01:26 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: JACKPOT!!!
MESSAGE: Wow, I like the looks of this new updated site!

Friday the 13 was a gem for you and for me GregM!
Would you believe that I found my mothers 1972 portable Kenmore, 3 cycles, 1 water level, 2 speed washer in the trash that same day right before I went on vacation?

What a pre-vacation present!
The only difference of my mom's old washer was the color!
She had avocado and my new find is in white......
Oh what great joy to hear that timer go click, click, click, pop when turning and starting the timer as well as the water being extracted onto the metal inner basket making that shhhh sound!

I will have photos of it to post later on today!

Congrats on your find!

Larry

*****Post# 22329-9/22/2002-07:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers from all different countries!
MESSAGE: There were lots of washers I have never heard of.

A front loader from Turkey was called an Arcelik.
Say that the Australian way and you'll know why I almost fell off my chair laughing.
As it's not vintage related we'd better go no further or move to the sandbox.

Chris.

*****Post# 22330-9/22/2002-10:48 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: What is the make?
MESSAGE: I was checking out Ebay this morning and came across this.....
Is this an Westy or an Frigidaire?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2056098756

*****Post# 22331-9/22/2002-10:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (I live in the WRONG state!)
MESSAGE: Of course, the Kenmore dryer. What can I say? It's the 70 series but beautiful. My mom's dryer had the small door but hers was a 600.

My great-grandmother had a Marquette washer with the very same Franklin mechanism. Boy did that Gibson bring back memories!

We never have estate sales here in New Orleans. There actually was one. My mom went to it AND SHE NEVER TOLD ME!!! GRRRRR!!!!! Welcome to the land of rust!

*****Post# 22333-9/22/2002-11:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD very cool!!
MESSAGE: Well, I guess I'm a bit dunce & vision challenged. I actually got to play with a WI59 for several years, so similar to the WCI59, and I never saw the resemblence of any Kenmore at all. So, I'm very intimate with this particular control panel design. Please 'splain what y'all are seein'.

*****Post# 22334-9/22/2002-12:50 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: That pair is a Frigidaire pair and is only a 20 minute drive from where I live. To bad it is not a true 1-18 set

*****Post# 22335-9/22/2002-14:11 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: I noticed that the timer knob on the Maytag you found is identical to the 1949 model except on this one the numbers for the wash time are in red rather than the 49's grey and the top of the control knobs appear to be silver instead of all-white. What year is this one and is the agitator red like the 49 or black? Also, I'd love to see a close-up photo of the timer on the Kenmore you found.
Les

*****Post# 22337-9/22/2002-18:41 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: The last patent date on the back of my Maytag is 1953, so I think that dates the machine to that year. The top of the dial is acutally copper colored, but appeared silver in the photo. The agitator in it is red. I will take pics of the matching condenser dryer I have, as soon as I dig it out of my back garage.

*****Post# 22339-9/22/2002-18:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD very cool!!
MESSAGE: I'll defer to the others on the 59, but I actually see more Sears resemblance in the 58. The square timer dial with the pointer and colored trim reminds me very much of a certain Sears model from about that time or perhaps a bit later. Only difference was on the Sears, the water temp and level controls were one on each side of the timer, rather than both to the left.

*****Post# 22340-9/22/2002-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: Definitely WCI...you can tell by the dryer door. From the lid on the washer it looks like the Franklin-style, rather than the Westinghouse. It probably has the same agitator as we saw in the Gibson washer from Robert's estate sale pictures.

*****Post# 22341-9/22/2002-18:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: What is an A3MP? How is it different from an AMP? I thought it was a typo at first but I have seen it too many times now in recent posts.

*****Post# 22342-9/22/2002-18:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: Maybe, but I think the agitators on the WCI built Frigidaires had straight vanes at the bottom, with a sort of modified Roto-Swirl look from the middle to the top. I remember a Consumer Reports that showed the different agitators in the WCI built machines and Gibson/Kelvinator had straight vanes top to bottom while Westinghouse had protruding straight vanes in the middle of the agitator while Frigidaire had the agitator as I described.

In fact my best friend's parents moved from New Port Richey Florida to neighboring Bayonet Point in 1985 and the new house had a similar Frigidaire pair. Very unimpressive to watch and if I am not mistaken, they lasted less than 4 years.

*****Post# 22343-9/22/2002-19:32 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: The model number stamped on the plate of my Maytag is A3MP. Any Maytag experts out there know the differences in the line up? I thought maybe the 3 denoted 1953.......which is the last date on the patent decal on the back of the washer......

*****Post# 22344-9/22/2002-21:25 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make? (I know.......)
MESSAGE: Hey, this is a WCI Frigidaire set, as I have the same set, purchased new in Nov 1990. Its a newer version than the Gibson, when WCI switched from the old Franklin (Gibson) style, with the access panel on front to the newer removable front panel style......now, dont all start throwing tomatoes........ :-) SteveD

*****Post# 22345-9/22/2002-22:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony
WCI has had more agitators than any other manufacturer, I think. Especially on their Frigidaire line. It seemed they had a different agitator in them every year. I remember the agitator you are talking about...but they did have Gibson "innards" in the Frigidaires for quite a few years after the Westinghouse "innards," but before that roto-toped straight vane appeared. The cabinet and lid on that picture look Gibson to me. I think the roto-topped straight vane was in a machine where the lid opened back. I could very well be wrong, however. Those machines were hard to keep up with and I never really paid them that much attention. It was like WCI just couldn't quite get it right and was trying a multitude of agitators. If they could have kept that tub still, they may have gotten some decent washing action out of one of them.
Rich

*****Post# 22346-9/22/2002-22:06 ||| Joesplace (col,oh)
SUBJECT: G.M. FRIGIDAIRE ICECREAM REACH IN FREEZER
MESSAGE: WANTED ANY INFO ON A REACH IN FROM TOP MANUFACTURED BY GENERAL MOTORS FOR FRIGIDAIRE MODLE #ICL-4S

*****Post# 22347-9/22/2002-22:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: Hi back at you Rich - and you are right. I somehow managed to forget the famous WCI moving tub and that agitator I described may well have been on a rear opening Frigidaire. They were awfully tough to keep up with.
I always thought of WCI as the "May Company" of washer manufacturers - different names but inside all the same and none of it great (sorry if I offend anyone with that comment). MAy Company has stores all over the US doing business under a variety of names - Filene's (Northeast), Kaufmann's (Pittsburgh area and upstate N.Y.) Strawbridge's (Philadelphia), Hecht's (Washington DC area and parts of the Southeast), Famous Barr (St. Louis area), LS Ayres (Cincinnati and Indianapolis area), Foley's (Southwest) and well, you get the idea. Inside the layouts, merchandise, shopping bags and even the smell is the same. Pretty frightening if you ask me. No room for individuality there!!

*****Post# 22348-9/22/2002-22:27 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make?
MESSAGE: The impostor, so-called "1-18" I mentioned in post #22302 also had the same lid style as the Gibson, but with a window in the style of the real Jet-Coned 1-18s.

*****Post# 22349-9/22/2002-22:50 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make? (Franklin)
MESSAGE: Since I don't know much about Westinghouse Top loaders when you talk about Franklin are you talking about a certain type of transmission or was it a manufacturer outside WW that made the machines. Dan

*****Post# 22351-9/23/2002-00:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 1956 Kenmore Freezer in Classifieds
MESSAGE: Check out the ad for the 1956 Kenmore freezer "Super Wall" in the classified section - it's very cool. The top design is similar in style to the same era Kenmore washers and dryers. Just like the washer in the Post A New Message screen - how fun is that?!

Here is the link to the pictures of the freezer.
LINK: http://www.agora-group.com/freezer/

*****Post# 22352-9/23/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (1970s Gibson)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, no that Gibson wasn't for sale, it was being sold with the house, but I have had situtations like that before and I've usually been able to talk the new owner into letting me buy the machine. Thankfully, 99% of the time the new owner doesn't want a washer so old.

*****Post# 22353-9/23/2002-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Oh I bet you're right Greg, it was the word "ANOTHER". Thanks for solving that mystery, too bad the appliance that came in that box wasn't still around.

*****Post# 22355-9/23/2002-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 55 Filtrator Choked by Lint
MESSAGE: Yup, the first thing to do when you bring home a new filtrator is clean out all the lint in the unreachable areas of the outer drum. It really speeds up drying time and gets that old "grandma house" smell out of the dryer.

*****Post# 22356-9/23/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: I don't know about the year, but that could be correct Jimmy. The AMP didn't have the water level switch in the lid, the A2MP and A3MP did have the water level in the switch and the A3MP also had some other changes. The A4MP was made throughout the mid 50's as Maytag's lower price machine and it had a timed fill!

*****Post# 22357-9/23/2002-09:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make? (Franklin)
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, Franklin Manufacturing made washer parts for different companies starting in the late 50's, such as Admiral, Marquette, Gibson, Kelvinator (in the 70's) etc, etc. Today's WCI-Frigidaire top loaders use almost the same transmission, the design has changed very little over the years. Franklin's were always budget brands and had no brake and the tub indexed. Instead of redesigning the tranny with a brake when new safety laws were introduced, they simply used a cheap lid lock.

*****Post# 22358-9/23/2002-09:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures
MESSAGE: That answers the question I had. I guess I thought a Maytag was either an AMP or it wasn't. I thought "AMP" referred only to the mechanism, which I believe it does, but it was also used as part of the model no, of which there were apparently several over the years.

*****Post# 22359-9/23/2002-10:15 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Jimmy's Maytag A3MP & Kelvinator Pictures (Maytag agitators and timers)
MESSAGE: What year did Maytag stop installing the float in the center of the agitator? The first models I remember were also the earliest machines I've seen that had the control knobs on a back panel rather than on the top front corners on either side of the lid. One model had a small dark green timer with white letters and the other had a larger knob which illuminated - dark background with white letters except for the '4' & '2' wash times which were in red letters. Both machines had black agitators with a silver cap and the word Maytag engraved into it. There was one model with the smaller dark green timer that had the very thin black agitator like the one used in Maytag's wringer washers.

*****Post# 22360-9/23/2002-17:01 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make? (Kaufman's)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony
I never realized that "Robinson's-May" (as they call it here in CA) was the same store as Kaufman's. I lived in Pittsburgh as a kid and remember than store. Learn something new everyday!
Rich

*****Post# 22361-9/23/2002-18:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What is the make? (Franklin)
MESSAGE: The only time I ever saw a Franklin run was at my great-grandma's. It was the 70s. A Marquette washer. I never watched it because the machine wouldn't even fill with water if I lifted the lid. It was still cool to look inside and the innards are the same as that Gibson washer. I would've tried to buy the machine just finally watch it run.

*****Post# 22362-9/23/2002-18:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Was that the same house as the Hotpoint range?

Wow, what people don't save!

*****Post# 22363-9/23/2002-18:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: My aunt had one that was all freezer (upright) with the separate bins like that - I believe it was a Crosley.

*****Post# 22364-9/23/2002-18:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 55 Filtrator Choked by Lint
MESSAGE: I washed everything out and then let it run with no clothes to test it - grandma's aroma should be baked away by now!

*****Post# 22365-9/23/2002-19:02 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 55 Filtrator Choked by Lint
MESSAGE: Hopefully, the ozone lamp will sanitize the machine and make everything sunshine fresh...so Grandma's aroma will not be on the Gansky family laundry! ;-)

*****Post# 22366-9/23/2002-19:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Was that the same house as the Hotpoint range?

Hi Greg, good guess, but no it was not.

*****Post# 22367-9/23/2002-20:44 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Philco Top loader
MESSAGE: I saw a very rare 56 or 57 Philco top loader in gansky's photo album (unrestored). This is one of the few brands from that time period I've never had the opportunity to see in operation. The tub and agitator remind me alot of a Speed Queen. Have you had any luck restoring this baby yet? Just curious.

I used to spend a lot of time in L.A. and remember when Robinson's was truly a "carriage trade" "A- list" store. But then I also remember the beautiful I. Magnin store on Wilshire Boulevard that was destroyed in the riots 10 years ago......

*****Post# 22369-9/23/2002-20:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Am I the only one who has had trouble seeing the P.O.D. for the past few days? Seems as if I can only view it 50% of the time...

*****Post# 22371-9/23/2002-21:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: House brands
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember these two "house brands"? "Wizard" which was sold by Western Auto and "AMC" which was sold by Federated Department Stores such as Atlanta based Rich's. These two brands seem to have dissapeared in the early 70's. I don't recall any specifics about the AMC line but the Wizard washers were sort of a cross between a late 50's/early 60's Hotpoint, a Speed Queen and an Easy. Do any of you guys know who manufactured these machines? One Wizard model I remember had a Hotpoint tub and a four-vane agitator very similar to the one on the 56 Norge Timeline machine. It also agitated and spinned like a Hotpoint.

*****Post# 22372-9/23/2002-22:10 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Helical drive Maytag
MESSAGE: What exactly is a helical drive? Is it a different transmission than the one used on the 49-53? Also, this machine in gansky's photos is the only Maytag I've ever seen with a timed fill cycle indicated on the control knob.

*****Post# 22373-9/23/2002-22:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (You're a Wizard, Harry....)
MESSAGE: We had a window AC made by Wizard and also a chest freezer. I remember they had washers and dryers too. Probably Franklin transmission. My aunt had a Wizard washing machine at her house in the country. Again, if I lifted the lid, machine stops. It made a loud clanking sound as it washed.

One of my father's aunts had a brother worked for Western Auto, she had a Wizard washer and dryer.

Several families in my hometown had Catalina sets.

*****Post# 22375-9/23/2002-22:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 55 Filtrator Choked by Lint
MESSAGE: Actually, the ozone bulb was smashed to bits! There is a replacement installed and ready to sanitize when it's put into service.

*****Post# 22376-9/23/2002-22:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Then it must have been a washer or condenser dryer!!

*****Post# 22377-9/23/2002-22:20 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Wizard and Catalina)
MESSAGE: I always thought that the Wizard washer was made by Norge. Is that correct?

*****Post# 22378-9/23/2002-22:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Top loader
MESSAGE: Jimmy (filterflo) took this machine home with him last weekend. He was able to get it running, but it still needs a lot of work - all new rubber parts and probably some suspension work. At the speed Jimmy has been getting his new treasures running, it shouldn't be too long and we'll be seeing pictures of that 56 Philco doing it's first washload!

Earlier models of Barton, Zenith and Marquette were produced by Apex. (bouncing basket)

According to my 1960 Marcone parts books, Franklin Mfg. Company was formerly Beam Mfg. Company so the relationship to early models of Easy, Hotpoint and others was right on.

*****Post# 22380-9/23/2002-22:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (You're a Wizard, Harry....)
MESSAGE: The Wizard my neighbor had did not have a safety switch. It operated on all cycles with the lid open. Also, it spinned in a counter-clockwise direction just like the Hotpoints and GE's whereas the Norge machines always spinned clockwise. It did have a timed fill on it like both Norge & Hotpoint.

*****Post# 22381-9/23/2002-22:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List)
MESSAGE: Wow. That's amazing. Thanks for the info. The main thing I remember about that particular Wizard is how similar it was to my Mom's Hotpoint. Now I know why since they were cousins in the Franklin family.

*****Post# 22383-9/23/2002-22:42 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Top loader
MESSAGE: Good luck with the 56 Philco, Jimmy. I can't wait to hear more about it and see some pics. This will be something new for me.

*****Post# 22384-9/23/2002-22:46 ||| GregM (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher lovers
MESSAGE: Picked up a 1970? top-loading Whirlpool Dishwasher today about a two miles from my folks house and she even delivered it there for me in her truck. It has had very little use and is in near showroom condition. It is nothing fancy but I am glad to have it. Pictures to come soon.............

*****Post# 22385-9/23/2002-22:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: PeterH770's 55 Kenmore
MESSAGE: Peter, I see in your profile you have a 55 Kenmore. Is it similar to the 53 I saw in some other photos? Any pics of it? Especially the agitator and main control knob. BTW, thanks again for showing me the pics of your 56 Frigidaire. I spent many a Saturday morning watching my Aunt's 56 make bubble cakes. Glad to see there's a fellow Atlantan here too. :)

*****Post# 22386-9/24/2002-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Helical drive Maytag
MESSAGE: The Maytag "Helical Drive" washer was introduced in about 1957 and was simply a reversing motor drive system for their perforated tub washers, a completly different design than the earlier AMP styles. The Helical drive is still in production now, although not for much longer it looks like.

When running one direction, the drive pulley would turn the agitate shaft to the transmission creating agitation, when the motor reversed, the drive pulley/hub would ride up a screw (helix) engaging the spin shaft causing the entire mechanism and tub to spin. The AMP/solid tub earlier style used a spring and key on the spin shaft controlled by a solenoid to activate spin. The helical drive machines would pause between agitate and spin to allow the motor to reverse direction, the AMP activated a solenoid and spinning started immediately with the motor still running.

*****Post# 22387-9/24/2002-07:52 ||| jaxcubb (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher lovers
MESSAGE: That is too cool ! I would love to find a Lady Kenmore top load D/W with the top roto-rack (like the one we had when I was a child). Congrats!

*****Post# 22388-9/24/2002-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: The very first Hotpoint was mostly a Beam produced machine that had two motors, one for spin and one for agitate. It's interesting to see the evolution of the Hotpoint machines from the early Beam machine to the Coaxial (direct drive) tranny machines used in later years.

*****Post# 22389-9/24/2002-07:56 ||| jaxcubb (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Marquette Washer
MESSAGE: Did any of the Marquette washers ever use the same system as ABC/Kelvinator? I remember when I was a child that some friends of ours had a 60's era Marquette, and it had a fat agitator with only 3 or 4 straight fins. The agitator also had holes in it. I never saw this machine work, but it kinda looks like the Kelvinator's. Was I imagining this?
Mike

Were all Westinghouse Top Loaders based on the Franklin transmission?
There was a Westinghouse Top Loader assembled in Australia in the seventies (and possibly late sixties?) which had a spiral agitator in grey, perforated tub which turned one way whilst agitating (indexed?) , and on later versions had a lid lock.
From memory only top line model was sold, with two speed motor, infinite water level, four wash temps and lid lock.

I repaired one once, the spin bearing was gone, a mongrel of a job to replace, I had to remove the transmission and empty out the oil XXXtra messy) to replace a bearing (bush) and seal in the top of the transmission casing. The outer transmission casing was stationary, the transmission rotated inside it when spinning.
Does this sound like the Franklin design?
Thanks
Chris.

*****Post# 22393-9/24/2002-08:29 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: POD 600 times a minute?
MESSAGE: What year is this? How did that agitator work? back and forth? I would love to see one in action and a better look at the agitator itself to see its shape and design..........very, very cool looking machines..............

*****Post# 22394-9/24/2002-09:00 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Helical drive Maytag
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I remember my next door neighbor's 49 AMP going directly into spin without pausing. I'm still surprised at seeing the timed fill cycle on the control knob of that early Helical.

You say Maytag probably won't use the Helical drive much longer. Have you heard what they are replacing it with? Perhaps reintroducing the AMP?

*****Post# 22395-9/24/2002-09:10 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: We had two Hotpoints during my childhood. One was a mid 50's model with the black long neck agitator (red cap on top). The control knob sat almost flat on the right side of the back panel and there was a flurorecent lamp that illuminated the back panel. The second one was about a 64 model with the black 3-finned swirl agitator that also acted as a lint filter much like the Norge agitator. I much prefered these Hotpoints to the later models when they simply became stripped down GE's. Even thougn Hotpoint was a subsidiary of GE they still had their own identity. Why did GE suddenly turn Hotpoints into little clones in the 70's?

*****Post# 22397-9/24/2002-09:22 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: I grew up with 2 Hotpoint washers
My mothers 1st one was a 54 or 55 that had the removeable lid
Their is a pic in the most wanted appliances
Peter

*****Post# 22398-9/24/2002-09:57 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: The model we had is in these pics. It's the white model to the left of the dark grey machine. It's also the first of the ones in these photos where the lid is hinged on the left instead of the back. There is some red trim on the back panel as well. Does anyone know what year this model is? I'm guessing around a 57.

No I believe Westinghouse Top Loader tranny was similar in operation, but not the same design as the Franklin transmission. Blackstone also used a similar tranny, in the 1970's, to the Frainklin, but again it was a different design.

*****Post# 22401-9/24/2002-10:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 600 times a minute? (No Trapping or Slapping)
MESSAGE: This is the Top-of-the-Line 1959 Philco Automagic. And remember with a Philco there's no "Trapping or Slapping". Sorry Jetcone, no slapping here :).

Here is a video of just the agitator running without the tub...
LINK: http://216.88.255.195/PhilcoAutoMagicWithoutTub.mpg

*****Post# 22402-9/24/2002-11:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos.........
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg for sharing the pictures, you have some very nice pieces and how clairvoyant to put you in front of the dishwasher in 1967! I'm sure it will help you find even more treasures.

*****Post# 22408-9/24/2002-16:03 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: It's funny that my Mom had a 55 Hotpoint because my great aunt also had a 55 GE filterflo which we used for many years after my parents sold our house and we moved into my great aunt's after her death. That 55 GE was still going strong during my high school years and it was already five years old when I was born. It finally got to where it wouldn't hardly spin anymore so my parents replaced it with a Westinghouse which I hated. That mid 70's top-loading Westy gave us nothing but problems and died an early death after an eight year life filled with numerous visits from the repairman. Finally, in 1983, they bought a Maytag which is now owned by a friend of mine and still going strong.

*****Post# 22410-9/24/2002-16:29 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Downy Commercial question.
MESSAGE: In the downy commercial with the Maytag washer, On the inside what does that agiator look like? I don't think that looks like a Maytag agitator at all. To me it looks like a Norge but I am not sure. Does anyone on know the answer to any of these questions? I am certainly confused. Thanks in advance!
Best Washes
-Jamie-

*****Post# 22411-9/24/2002-16:49 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: At that time the Hotpoint designs and the GE designs were completly different. Even though the Hotpoints were nice washers - they were not made to last. I think we had ours until 61.
I like many types of washers - but my favorate will always be GM Frigidaire.
Peter

*****Post# 22413-9/24/2002-17:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: Our 55 Hotpoint lasted till about 63 then we got another Hotpoint which we used till we moved to the house with the 55 GE. Like the 55 GE, the 55 Hotpoint eventually stopped working on the spin cycle.

I like both the GM Frigidaires and the 50's and 60's Kenmores the best. They have always been the most fun.

*****Post# 22414-9/24/2002-17:18 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: Right you are, Scott. When my Kenmore 70 series direct drive dual-action (circa 1987 or 88) had a motor lock-up two years ago I was delighted to rid myself of it's unsightly pressence. I replaced it with a Kenmore frontloader which so far I'm very pleased with. And my cat likes it too. He watches the clothes tumble thru the glass window - that is when I'm not blocking his view watching it myself.

*****Post# 22415-9/24/2002-17:27 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: I am heartened to know that someone else's cat is facinated with FL washer! Just to annoy the old one, Zeus, I will wash a light load with one red or bright item. Makes him crazy! I really like the low speed spins, who knew a cat could rotate his head that fast?

*****Post# 22416-9/24/2002-17:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 600 times a minute? (No Trapping or Slapping( questions ))
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for your comments on my pics and I love the concept of the Philco agitator, reminds me a bit of the ABC or Kelvinator. Did it wash well? Was it a noisy machine? Did it circulate the clothes from top to bottom? Thanks for sharing the video :) ............

*****Post# 22419-9/24/2002-18:33 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: Ok, I've just uploaded a few pics from my basement!
I still have to learn how to use this digital camera for clearer pictures and I hope all of you like these 1970's classics!

More to follow when I get a chance!
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst?.dir=/Vintage+appliances+found+in+NY/My+new+collection&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 22421-9/24/2002-18:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: House brands (Brand List - Hotpoint Washers)
MESSAGE: GE started using their dryers in the Hotpoint line sometime in the early 70's, the washers followed in about 1974. I'm sure the reason was the same for the demise of the Hotpoint desings as it was for all the others, cost. Why have two factories, labor, suppliers and vendors, engineering and design staff, service training and publications, on and on, when you can make the Hotpoint a GE clone far cheaper. It's sad sometimes, but the reality in a free market economy.

*****Post# 22422-9/24/2002-19:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: Very neat find - I always liked the KM and WP portables from this era.

Thanks for the pictures!

*****Post# 22423-9/24/2002-20:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 600 times a minute? (No Trapping or Slapping( questions ))
MESSAGE: Hi - Greg. Those Philco washers were pretty remarkable for the time. Aside from being very nicely styled and glamorous, they were remarkably quiet machines. Robert has the Automagic as you know and I never heard that exact model operating. But later versions of the Philco washer - the Miss America line from the early 60's were pretty much the same machine. One of my neighbors had one and it just hummed along with an occasional splashing noise . Even spin was quiet - just a slightly higher hum. No big clanks and bangs.

As far as the agitation goes, I guess the best way to explain it is that the agitator purpose was to move the water through the clothes by creating fast moving currents, rather than move the clothes through the water. The clothes did actually move a bit but were not swished back and forth or rolled over . This was supposedly much gentler treatment for the clothes and was actually very effective. If you have seen the "Calypso" wash motion featured on the Whirlpools and Sears machines, the rotating wash plate resembles that type of cleaning action.

Another of my neighbors had that exact Automagic dryer pictuerd in the ad and it was very impressive. Great control panel (had to be 8 inches high), window door and great sound. What more could you ask??

*****Post# 22424-9/24/2002-21:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher lovers
MESSAGE: Congrats gret. I loved those old WP top loaders. Had a buddy in college, which meant it was new at the time, who lived at home while he went to college. His parents lived in a neat old house and it had all WP appliances. I always had to peak in that dishwasher everytime I went over there. Was so cool. Can't wait to see pics.

*****Post# 22425-9/24/2002-22:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos.........
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the pics. I love the 61 GE. The 48 hotpoint range is awesome. Interesting variation on the common fridge arrangement for the norge (particularly the freezer). You wwere such a cutie in 1967!!! Is that a KA toploading DW is spy right there???

*****Post# 22426-9/24/2002-22:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy Commercial question. (See-Thru Wringer Washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie, you are a very observant young man to catch the fact that the agitator shown in the Downy commercial is definitely not a Maytag agitator. No one really knows what that is, but here is what I think it might be. In the 1940's Maytag had made a see-thru wringer washer like the one I have in my collection to be used as demo machines in appliance stores. Then in the mid and late 1950's Kenmore had taken one of their round wringer washers and turned that into a see-thru washer for demonstrations in the Sears stores. I believe the washer that was used to film the underwater action could very well have been one of these see-thru Kenmore wringer washers.

Was it a nosiy machine? No, but the snubber on my machine is very noisy at the moment, and I need to go back in there and fix that issue on the '59, otherwise it works perfectly, if you can stand the noise during spin.

Did it circulate the clothes from top to bottom? Sort of, but very slowly.

*****Post# 22428-9/24/2002-22:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: Thanks Larry, wonderful Photos, when you get a chance can we see the Norge you found last year?

*****Post# 22429-9/24/2002-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!!
MESSAGE: A big thanks goes out to Applianceville member Bendixman Bruce who was kind enough to send me three video tapes full of vintage detergent commercials. THANKS BRUCE!!!! Over the course of the next couple of weeks I will digitize some of the best of these commercials and add them to our video library.

Tonight I added two commercials for AD Detergent. You'll find them in the video library under the "Vintage Soap, Detergent and Additive Television Commercials" Section. The first commercial features three 1955 or 1956 Bendix Front Loaders with the flip down Tip-Top Laundry Guide and Front-Row Controls! The second commercial is a wonderful example of mid 1950's advertising animation. Both are simply fabulous, and with a hint of organ music at the end you know that these commercials most likely came from a daytime soap opera or game show on one of the three major television networks then.

Thanks you so much again Bruce! Stay tuned everyone, more to come.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/vintage_video.htm

*****Post# 22431-9/24/2002-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle
MESSAGE: If anyone is interested in a very RARE, very post war, dishwasher...

It was suggested to me that I contact you about a dishwasher that is located in a home my son just purchased. It is a 1946/47 Kaiser Dishwasher - still mounted in the counter.

We are wondering if there would be anybody interested in this appliance (or entire counter). From what we can tell this dishwasher was probably water powered and seems to be intact - but really don't have any idea how to use it - or if it would run or not.

We felt it was so unique that we would not want to simply throw it in the trash.

The house also has a Coldspot Refrigerator that is in working condition - actually my son is using it. Don't think it is quite as old or that unique.

If you think there is somebody who would want to pay something for this dishwasher please let me know approx. value, if any and I will run an ad for it. If not, let us know if there would be some museum or historian who would be interested in it. I hate to see this item trashed as it is so very unique (at least to me).

Thanks for your help.

Karen Anderson

CONTACT KAREN AT: bicycles@mindspring.com

*****Post# 22432-9/24/2002-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: Larry, I love the pics. Thanks for taking pics of the portable's cycle dial. Also, the big Kenmore was that control panel's design successor to the Kenmore 800 we had from 1970 or 1971. That mahcine you have there was pretty terrific too. It had the 4 minute drain period though. My best friend from high-school's mom replaced her early 1960s alphabet kenmore with that machine.

*****Post# 22433-9/24/2002-22:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (wonderful videos and pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks to Uni and Bruce for sharing and posting the videos, and to Greg and Larry for the pictures! I have enjoyed them all immensely.

Larry, the first townhome we looked at before moving and didn't get had a matched pair like the harvest gold washer in your picture, only in white, in showroom condition. I lament not getting that townhome mainly because of their presence!

Greg, LOVE the GE pink bottom freezer fridge, and all your other goodies too! Can't wait to see your latest dishwasher! Is it the one with the control panel on the back, like a washing machine? Enjoy!

*****Post# 22434-9/25/2002-01:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle
MESSAGE: Do we have any pictures of this dishwasher? Sounds interesting, but I see pre-rinsing in the new owner's future ;-)

*****Post# 22435-9/25/2002-01:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new commercials - they are great! I love the '56 Bendix washers - what fun it would be to have three in a row all sloshing away!

*****Post# 22436-9/25/2002-06:51 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (Video Tapes)
MESSAGE: Robert, Glad you got the tapes I hope everyone enjoys them as much as I do. There is a Bendix Duomatic commercial for Clorox that the machine has a dispenser that holds 2 weeks worth of Clorox. Pretty neat. Also does anyone remember Blue Dot Duz detergent??? I do and have a box but you don't find many around. Again everyone enjoy the video commercials.
Bruce aka Bendixman

*****Post# 22437-9/25/2002-07:21 ||| Gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... (thanks for sharing pics :) ...)
MESSAGE: my grandmother had a washer just like that...........

*****Post# 22438-9/25/2002-07:21 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... (Great Kenmore Machines)
MESSAGE: What great pictures of the Kenmores, they look great and they are favorites of mine. My mom has and still uses the matching dryer to your Kenmore with the roto swirl, and it is in great shape. She bought it in 1972 with only one repair so far, but a great machine. Good luck with the machines they look great!!!!

*****Post# 22440-9/25/2002-07:27 ||| Gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos......... (yes its a KA)
MESSAGE: that is one of my dream machines to find a top-loading Kitchen Aid dishwasher like my mom had in the photo. I am not sure what year it is?? late fifties or early sixties......It was shortly after that photo thought she bought avocado green Philco FORD appliances for the kitchen in 1969. :( ......

*****Post# 22441-9/25/2002-07:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (do you take requests?)
MESSAGE: If you have any Tide or Downy commercials from the mid-to-late 70s I'd like to see it.

Of course, if you have the Calgon commercial (with the GE) please upload!

Thanks.

*****Post# 22442-9/25/2002-07:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... (YAY!)
MESSAGE: I'm sure all they need is a good cleaning and a few repairs and they'll be good as new.

You have the portable I really want. With the standard tub and the str8 vane agitator. Of course, Rotoswirl must go in the machine.

That 24" Kenmore at the convention was fun. I think I have video of both the RotoSwirl and the straight vane going.

The RS of course churns the clothes good and fast. Nothing boring about it. The str8 vane just moves them around a little.

*****Post# 22443-9/25/2002-07:37 ||| Gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (thank you Bruce and Robert)
MESSAGE: thanks for the videos..........

*****Post# 22444-9/25/2002-08:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: It was just after the final rinse. The machine was about to start draining when the motor locked up and the smell of burning bearings filled the air. Naturally I had a load of heavy bath towels in it and you can guess how much fun it was wringing those out. But it was worth it to get rid of a machine I hated so much. The front loader is super!

*****Post# 22445-9/25/2002-09:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (do you take requests?)
MESSAGE: Sorry Jason, but I do not have any commercials from that late, most of the stuff I have ranges from the late fourties through the sixties. I would love to find the mid to late 1970's 1-18 Frigidaire commercial, if anyone knows where to find this commercial on 16mm film or on VHS/DVD/CD-R please let me know.

No, I only have the '55 Kenmore. Any reference in the albums about a 53 was a typo! The machine is in pieces; I'm awaiting for my prayers to be answered for 36 hour days and 9 day weeks!

There's a few of us in the ATL area. Next time we attempt to get together, we'll drop you a line. The next time we get together will be at my laundromat to use the new, HUGE Wascomats I got!

-ph

*****Post# 22447-9/25/2002-10:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy Commercial question. (Mystery agitator guess)
MESSAGE: My guess was that it was an early high-vane Speed Queen agitator, becuase of the angle of the high vanes and the cap...

-ph

*****Post# 22448-9/25/2002-10:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: Check your model number on the Harvest Gold washer. I think it will be a 1972.

-ph

*****Post# 22449-9/25/2002-13:04 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: PeterH770's 55 Kenmore
MESSAGE: The 53 and 55 were very similar weren't they? I think they just changed the background color of the timer a little bit. I hope you get the 55 up and running in the near future. I'd love to see it.

I'd love to join you Atlanta guys for your next wash-in. Maybe I can locate the owner's manual to our old 55 GE filterflo by then. If so, I'll bring it along. I think I still have it in a box up in my attic.

Les

*****Post# 22450-9/25/2002-15:17 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore.......
MESSAGE: I will do it A.S.A.P.

Thanks everyone!

*****Post# 22451-9/25/2002-15:19 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos......... (yes its a KA)
MESSAGE: Was this photo of the KA a POD or it is in someone photo album?
I didn't get to see it.... :-((

*****Post# 22452-9/25/2002-15:31 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... (YAY!)
MESSAGE: After all these years, I didn't know the Roto Swirl had more power than the straight vane.

Did you get that Easy Spin dryer from Ebay two or three weeks ago?
And how well does it roll the clothes over?

*****Post# 22454-9/25/2002-17:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!! (do you take requests?)
MESSAGE: I have done some searching here, I have a friend who produces the news for one of our local stations. He said they have nothing that old left anymore so I called the other two stations and they don't have them either. One day we'll find it!

*****Post# 22455-9/25/2002-18:24 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Mid 70's gold Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: There is a gold Lady Kenmore washer,albeit in less than great shape, for sale at the thrift store on Green St. in Conyers, GA. It seems to be all there. Someone has pulled the dispenser bezels off but they are in tub right next to RotoSwirl. Looks like matching dryer in behind building but I don't think it's worth trying to save. Hope this helps someone in Atlanta

*****Post# 22456-9/25/2002-18:44 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos......... (yes its a KA(here is the photo))
MESSAGE: its just little old me at the age of three, with my sister and one of my dream machines that my mom use to have.....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/More+apps&.src=ph&.dnm=me+in+1967.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bapps%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22457-9/25/2002-18:47 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos......... (not on ebay)
MESSAGE: No, I bought it from Mike Arnold in Troy, NY. It works great and does turn the clothes over somewhat, it has a nice rugged yet gentle agitator action.......I didn't even know there was an EASY washer on ebay..........

*****Post# 22458-9/25/2002-18:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: Did BENDIX on ebay ever sell??
MESSAGE: I havent really payed attention but did that bendix front loader from the late thirties or early forties ever sell , if I remember correctly the entry bid was around $1,000 smackaroos..........

*****Post# 22459-9/25/2002-18:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: I Have A Real Treat For Everyone!!
MESSAGE: It reminded me of the Bendix self-serve laundry in Buffalo NY we would do our wash in when visiting my uncle. This would have been early 60's.

*****Post# 22460-9/25/2002-18:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: the Norge agitating noise sounds familiar...
MESSAGE: That agitating noise is what my babysitters 1981 Maytag sounds like! Is it because Maytag bought Norge eventually? What did a Maytag sound like before they bought Norge?

*****Post# 22461-9/25/2002-19:06 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: More photos......... (not on ebay)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was on out west and it was sold for $5.00 to the lone soul winner....

I wish I could afford the shipping charges or else I would have taken it home!

*****Post# 22463-9/25/2002-20:03 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: EASY washers for sale in MAss
MESSAGE: the following three items are at the attached link and under the "hobbies/collectibles/antiques" section; but to make it easier i just listed them here below:

*****Post# 22464-9/25/2002-20:11 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: I have a Pump Assembly for NORGE
MESSAGE: Would this help anyone? maybe I should put it on ebay? Its in the original box and says "Pump assembly for Norge 34-5088 replaces 34-2283.....
-gregm, i can be reached at gregm978@aol.com also........

*****Post# 22465-9/25/2002-21:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... ((Norge photos))
MESSAGE: Larry, great pics. And as usual, I'm partial to the control panel shots. You DO have your work cut out for ya.

*****Post# 22466-9/25/2002-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... ((Norge photos))
MESSAGE: That's a very cool washer - do you know what year that is?

*****Post# 22467-9/26/2002-11:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: The pride and joy of a Kenmore....... ((Norge photos))
MESSAGE: I was going to ask the same question. I know of one model that had the cycle letters and numbers written on the dial and the pointer was stationary. Three cycles. Normal and soak in black letters, short cycle in red. It had the Norge lint filter agitator and solid tub. Two speed motor. I think it came a little later after the 56 timeline model. Probably around 59 or 60. I believe the agitator was almost like the lint filter one in the video at the museum except this model had a three vane agitator instead of four.
Les

It's the mechanism in the 24" Frigidaire washer that used the one piece Agi-tub to clean the clothes. The mechanism worked like a string wrapped around a pencil. The pulleys would pull the string back and forth, turning the Agi-tub back and forth for washing. Spinning was done with a classic Frigidaire roller assembly. Have a look at the link below for pics of the one I'm working on.

*****Post# 22470-9/26/2002-13:24 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Pic of day
MESSAGE: I love the picture of the day. That Westinghouse pair is a real beauty.

Speaking of pics, isn't the Kenmore shown here on the "post message" page the same 57 Lady Kenmore that was recently restored by one of you guys?

*****Post# 22471-9/26/2002-13:28 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Norge photos
MESSAGE: I forgot to mention in my earlier desription of the Norge one of my neighbors had that this 3-cycle model did not have a timed fill on the control knob like most Norges did. The normal cycle washed up to 8 minutes and to start the machine you turned the knob to the "8". On the short cycle you started it on the 'h' of the word 'wash'. The speed was controled on a separate knob next to the water temperature control. You could choose 4 selections:
Nornal wash and spin, normal wash w/ slow spin, slow wash with normal spin and slow wash & spin. Does this model ring a bell with any of you Norge experts?

*****Post# 22474-9/26/2002-18:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: the Norge agitating noise sounds familiar... (Really!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie - If your babysitter has an '81 Maytag, that is what the orginal Maytag sounded like. In the later 80's, Maytag changed the design of their transmission to the faster, shorter stroke that they are still using now in the "real" Maytag machines. The Atlantis and Performa (plastic tub) machines are Norge designs.

*****Post# 22475-9/26/2002-19:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: the Norge agitating noise sounds familiar... (Really!)
MESSAGE: While I'm not a big Maytag fan, I like the sound. It's alot quieter than the Norge machine. My mom has the "short-stroke" transmission with the original turquiose agitator. It moves clothes ok but not really great. It spins at a leisurely 550rpm and takes FOR EVER to dry in a FrigiWCI dryer (I did NOT choose it when she bought it).

*****Post# 22476-9/26/2002-20:05 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: the Norge agitating noise sounds familiar... (Really! (hope you stayed dry!))
MESSAGE: A little off topic, but I hope you weather hurrican Isadora ok, Jason. I bet there will be plenty of muddy laundry to do, preferably in a machine that can handle sand!

*****Post# 22478-9/26/2002-21:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: My cat Monty occasionally watches the Asko if I leave the door down. My other cat Millie loves warm places and warms her bottom over the flue of our lpg fridge. (it has a tube at the back over the burner, which she holds her tail over to warm up on cold days). This morning she made an important discovery - when the Frigidaire is washing, the aluminium lid is comfortably warm to curl up on. The machine running didn't seem to bother her, she looked like a very happy girl.
Chris.

*****Post# 22479-9/26/2002-21:19 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: A Challenge...
MESSAGE: to create a screensaver similar to the ebay video of the '65 rollermatic wash cycle (or any other brand). It would definitely be a coversation piece.

*****Post# 22480-9/26/2002-21:57 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unfortunate demise of GM Frigidaire appliances (History Lesson)
MESSAGE: My cats sometimes like to rest in front of the fridge, because of the warm air that blows out of the bottom from the condenser. They did this with the '78 GE side by side. One had a terminal illness so I put a little carpeting there for him so he'd be more comfortable in his last days. I replaced the GE with a modern Whirlpool but it still puts out some warmpth that the other cat appreciates. It's a little bigger but uses 1/3 of the electricity the vintage fridge used.

*****Post# 22481-9/26/2002-22:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: the Norge agitating noise sounds familiar... (Really! (hope you stayed dry!))
MESSAGE: Well, the Land Of Rust got some flooding but not at my house. My main worry was the wind. I didn't stay in the trailer during the storm because I thought it would've been alot worse. Fortunately it weakened as it hit land. It was cool having the day off though. Sir Frigemore and Little Lady are high'n'dry.

*****Post# 22483-9/26/2002-22:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of day (The Westinghouse Computer Laundry Pair.......)
MESSAGE: Like a front load version of the 59 Lady K all pushbutton. Now that is one sweet machine. Push button convenience mixed with Kenmore magic.

*****Post# 22484-9/26/2002-22:39 ||| Cleanupwoman (Norway,Maine USA)
SUBJECT: Norge Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: I was wondering if anyone out there could help me with some pricing info. I am interested in purchasing a Norge Wringer Washer, white & aqua color from (best guess?)the late 50's or early 60's.It appears to be in fairly good shape. The asking price is $250...I want to make an offer on this machine but $250 seems a bit pricey to me. Am I off base here?
Thanks for any insight you folks can give me.

*****Post# 22485-9/26/2002-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of day (The Westinghouse Computer Laundry Pair.......)
MESSAGE: I'm glad I finally got to see a great pic and ad for this washer. Loved the panel detail. Would love to see a comparable dryer ad. The closest I'd gotten to this machine before was the cake Cliff made for the convention.

*****Post# 22488-9/26/2002-22:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Challenge...
MESSAGE: I agree! I've tried to find a screen saver program that will run video files, it would be great to hear(and watch) some vintage washing videos and commercials playing while the computer is idle.

I love all push buttons models. Its a shame that so many manufactures are not using buttons anymore, in favour of all knobs. I even hear that the atlantish is now going to have knobs. That Atlantis is a beautiful mahine and now they are going to spoil it.

My Favourote Simpson machines are the all button programmed models from the late 60's and the rocker switches from the seventies.

BTW what is with this woman on the reply screen? She reminds me of my old school headmistress and she scares me!

I saw a clip of the Mother Takes a Holiday film from Whirlpool - there will be laundry!!

*****Post# 22492-9/27/2002-06:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of day (The Westinghouse Computer Laundry Pair.......(Push Buttons))
MESSAGE: I sure agree with you guys. The POD Westinghouse set is just plain beautiful. Anyone have any idea of what year they might have been. Unusual color too. Terry

*****Post# 22496-9/27/2002-08:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Household Wonders On The History Channel
MESSAGE: Hmmm, that sound like Fun, I'll have to record it. I will be very interesting to see how accurate it really is, most historical write-ups I see about washing machines are way off. The problem is no one really knows who invented the earliest of the wringer machines.

*****Post# 22498-9/27/2002-09:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Computer Controlled Maytag Stack up for grabs!
MESSAGE: I have become so enamoured with my new Equator that I have decided to let someone else enjoy the wonders of my "Computer Command" Maytags. Stack unit, almond, natural gas. No knobs!! Just touch pads and LED's, complete with count down timer and status indicator. Lighted wash tub! This really should go to a good home. It's in Monticello, GA and I will let it go for a very reasonable price. Anybody interested?

*****Post# 22499-9/27/2002-11:08 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: 9/26/02, Chicago Tribune: "Electrolux hopes its name can go into homes again". It may end up being one of the smartest extensions of a brand, or go down as one of the biggest stumbles in marketing history. Either way, appliance marketing executives will be paying close attention to the North American division of Electrolux over the next several months. The swedish appliance company, whose name conjures up images of door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesmen, is in the early stages of rebranding itself in the U.S. And the company that owns such nameplates as Frigidaire and Eureka is so confident in consumers' fondness for the brand that it plans to launch a new line of higher-end refrigerators this time next year under the Electrolux name. Ironically, becasue of its deal to buy back its own trademark in North America two years ago, it can't launch a floor-care line for at least two years. Nevertheless, Electrolux is bullish about the return of its brand name in the U.S. and it has big plans to get that word out to consumers, both on its current Frigidaire line as well as on lines of products using its own name. Electrolux by the end of the year will add its name to Frigidaire's Professional Series of appliances. By next April all Frigidaire products will also carry the Electrolux name. And then by next year it plans to roll out a new line of high-end appliances that will only carry the Electrolux name.
The company will pit itself against some of the biggest names in the industry, including Maytag corp. In essense, the company will be competing against itself, though it claims the Electrolux line will be targeted at a high-end segment that isn't currently covered by Frigidaire. The company is betting that the name which hasn't been used on products in the U.S. in years, still stands for quality in the consumers mind. "We feel we can enhance our brands through the Electrolux name" said Tony Evans, corporate communication for Electrolux in the Americas. "The research we have done shows a good level of awareness". But this remains a risky bet. Consumers, who have more choices and greater access to information on products than in the past, are more picky these days. No doubt the company is relying heavily on consumer nostalgia as it sets off to launch new products in a highly competitive segment. Electrolux said it plans to spend aggresively to market to consumers behind both the Electrolux dual branding with Frigidaire and the solo Electrolux brand, though it wouldn't say how much. The company is also talking to ad agencies about the new brand. In the meantime, it hasn't ruled out getting back into the floor-care business when it can two years from now, though right now it has its hands full trying to get into America's kitchens.

*****Post# 22500-9/27/2002-11:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: The owner of the Kaiser dishwasher has sent pictures for everyone to see.

Now that's what you call a built in dishwasher...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Kaiser-DW.jpg

*****Post# 22501-9/27/2002-11:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: YAY, I certain hope this means that the Frigidaire name will eventually be retired once and for all.

*****Post# 22502-9/27/2002-11:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: I once saw this dishwasher in a magazing years ago.
Does it work by just turning on the water?
Peter

*****Post# 22503-9/27/2002-12:23 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Kaiser DW
MESSAGE: Very cool. Does anyone know what the knobs are for? (fill and drain?) I wonder what kind of soap it used. Did the jets move in any way?

Nice pics. You might like to know that often when you post such links to pics in your temp directory, my Internet Explorer will show these in thumbnail sizes. To view the full size pics, I either have to download them to disk and open in a graphics viewer, or view them with Netscape Navigator. I don't know if this is peculiar to my iteration of IE. I'm running version 6.0.26.

Cheers.

*****Post# 22505-9/27/2002-13:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: It looks like a real water waster, if it's "water powered".

*****Post# 22506-9/27/2002-13:52 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: 59 WHIRLPOOL Imperial washer [no power :( ] , but NORGE dryer works, yay !
MESSAGE: Last night I went to the folks house to move some of my latest finds into place on the other side of the basement. In the process of cleaning the washer, touching up pucked marks and further polishing I plugged her in. "NOTHING", nadda, zip, no juice. AND to top it off the timer dial is stuck frozen I cannot push or pull or turn it at all and I am afraid to force it. The fluorescent light did not come on either. It does need a new cord so I may start there. But darn, she looks pretty :). The NORGE time line dryer I found on the side of the road supposedly fell over and dropped on its back so I was forewarned. Well I plugged it in last night and it worked great. Love the way the timer dial lights up. BUT I am not sure the purpose of the regular incandescent bulb on in the back behind the drum?? In fact, I dried some lightweight perm. press items in there and it took about 30 minutes and ran smooth and very quiet. It is a model # AE 620. Does anyone know WHAT YEAR it is?? Does that mean its a 1962?? Timer works great and is 100% accurate. Porcelain top cleaned up sweet, but sides need repainting bad which is what I am on my way to do now, then take pics. Thanks for reading and have a nice weekend everyone ........... - GREGM

*****Post# 22507-9/27/2002-14:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: Rich that is IE6 naughty auto resize feature. There should be a set of buttons that pop up in the upper left hand corner of the picture. One of those buttons turns off auto resize so you can see the picture at its correct size. I went into Tools...Internet Options...Advanced TAB and turned off Autoresize as I do not like to see the pictures smaller than they were meant to be.

*****Post# 22508-9/27/2002-14:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: EEEEE!!! I'd be afraid a monster would pop out of it and get me!

I'm not sure what OS you are running, but you may want to download "image resizer" to view it with IE. This will inlarge the thumbnail photo to standard size, even though it's for Windows XP, it probably could be used with Windows 98SE. Give it a try and see what happens.

LINK: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

*****Post# 22513-9/27/2002-16:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 WHIRLPOOL Imperial washer [no power :( ] , but NORGE dryer works, yay ! (thanks les...)
MESSAGE: thanks, I am sure at some point , I will get it up and running, but in the meantime, I will take pics , close-ups too, and get them out here.......I am grateful that the NORGE dryer is problem free, I will keep my fingers crossed that, that will last....

*****Post# 22514-9/27/2002-17:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kaiser Water Powered Dishwasher found in Seattle (Pictures of the Kaiser)
MESSAGE: Interesting machine - do we know what year this is from? Great use of wasted or little used space in the kitchen but I wonder how (or if) it cleans dishes - might turn out to be a dish rinser, but still a very cool find!

*****Post# 22515-9/27/2002-18:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day ("
Don't they make vacuums?"
)
MESSAGE: Does make one think, brand recognition by both names will be very high - incredible, really. I hope they have some plans to actually produce a quality product, not just a WCI-Frigidaire in stainless steel skin and a shiny new nametag. ;-)

This certainly will be interesting to watch, the globe gets smaller every day! I have read that Haier has plans to grab their piece of the American appliance market too, will there only be two American appliance manufacturers left soon?

*****Post# 22517-9/27/2002-19:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: The way I read the press release, the low to mid end appliances will carry both the Frigidaire and Electrolux names, and only the high end appliances will carry the Electrolux name. Electrolux may be reluctant to phase out the Frigidaire name, prefering to keep it on the low end stuff.

Or maybe they could change their name to some combination of the two...

Let's see...

Electroflux? Flectodaire? Frigidelux? Fluxodaire?

The possibilities seem endless!

*****Post# 22518-9/27/2002-21:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day (frigidaire electrolux news of the day)
MESSAGE: "Would you like to buy a vowel?????

*****Post# 22521-9/27/2002-22:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day (Frigidaire/Electrolux )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I am hoping they phase out the TL's and improve on thr FL by adding a heater and maybe even making a Combo.
Peter

*****Post# 22522-9/27/2002-22:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: Well, 5 estate sales today here in my area and there were the usual late 80's/early 90's Maytags. However, in one house there was a Bendix dryer, which looks like it was very gently used. No rust at all and the drum is smooth and shiny. Even the light inside the door still goes on when you open it up. Couldn't find a model number though. It had a square cabinet with the name "Bendix" in the middle (and Bendix Home Appliances in smaller letters right underneath) with a single dial control on the left front - the control was simply a 60 minute timer - no air fluff or anything like that.
Interesting I couldn't find a lint filter either. But on the back of the dryer attached to the exhaust was a small, perforated black metal box. Apparently the exhaust flows through this box which traps the lint and you lift the lid of the box to clean it out. Now would this have been an original part of the dryer? It does sort of look like it is from the 50's - especially since it says on it "Clean after each washday".
As usual I was sternly informed that the appliances were not for sale and were part of the real estate transaction. So before I try to convince the new owners to sell it, I pose the question to you folks - should I try for it? What would be a fair offer? Thanks in advance for the advice............

*****Post# 22523-9/27/2002-22:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: What is it with Americans and Washing machines being part of the real estate transaction? I have never heard of that happening anywhere else. When we move or buy a house in Australia we take the washing machine with us. A stove would obviously be something you dont take with you but appliances are the householders own responsibilty.

Besides I would want my own choice of appliances when moving house.

Could someone please enlighten me?

BTW that Frigidaire queen is so freeky.

Couldnt we have one of those lovely Hotpoint Ladies instead?

*****Post# 22524-9/27/2002-22:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: Leslie, thanks for the information. I wonder if they'll offer a high-end front loader with supplemental heater to compete with the HE3t/Duet HT and Maytag Neppies.

*****Post# 22525-9/27/2002-23:14 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: That would be nice, especially if they threw in a pulsator just for show.

*****Post# 22526-9/27/2002-23:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: I Guess People Like Us Are Getting Cool
MESSAGE: If a Fridge Has Run For Years, Collectors May Be Chasing It ---

To Vintage-Appliance Buffs, Depression-Era GE Model Is So Cool That It's Hot
By Rachel Emma Silverman

When John Morgan is thirsty for a soda, he reaches into a gadget that looks like a bowlegged cupboard with a salad spinner perched on top. Mr. Morgan, a 40-year-old bakery-goods sales representative from Fargo, N.D., owns two of the squat white steel appliances. To him and a growing
number of collectors nationwide, these GE Monitor Top fridges, from the 1920s and 1930s, are the epitome of cool.
"I think they are artwork. They're beautiful," says Mr. Morgan, who prowls
junk shops, estate sales and auctions for vintage refrigerators, and
repairs
and sells them on the side.
Looks are just part of the appeal. With their thickly insulated steel
doors,
instead of plastic ones, vintage fridges typically are quieter and more
durable than their modern successors. And, because they're often
smaller and
lack energy-guzzling features, they can be cheaper to run.
Ray Folsom, 73, says the old appliances transport him back to his
childhood,
when electric refrigeration was a glamorous new technology. Mr. Folsom,
a
retired movie stuntman who grew up in the Los Angeles area, remembers
when
his family had an icebox. Later, when they got a refrigerator, he says,
"I
thought it was the neatest thing." Today, Mr. Folsom, a part-time
dealer,
owns about 20 vintage fridges, which he restores.
Others are looking to add a touch of authenticity to the kitchens of
their
period houses. In February, Valerie Lowich, 47, started posting ads on
the
Web and distributing fliers locally in her search for a two- or
three-door
Monitor Top for her 1935 home in Milaca, Minn. "No one would sell," she
says. "I was getting a little depressed."
Ms. Lowich finally found a two-door model for about $1,400, including
shipping, in Tulsa, Okla. It should arrive this week. "It is the
refrigerator of my dreams," she says.
Many of those who can't resist old Monitor Tops, colorful 1950s
Frigidaires
or even the boxy harvest gold or avocado refrigerators popular in the
'60s
and '70s have found each other through the Old Appliance Club. The
club,
founded in 1994 in Ventura, Calif., brings together vintage-appliance
users,
restoration experts and parts suppliers. The club says its ranks have
increased 25% in the past year to about 5,500 members, many of them
also
interested in such gadgets as old Magic Chef or Chambers stoves.
Dealer showrooms and repair shops have sprung up to cater to those who
long
to return to a simpler, predefroster era. John Jowers, owner of
AntiqueAppliances.com, in Clayton, Ga., says he is booked 20 months in
advance for vintage-appliance refurbishment jobs. This time last year,
he
says, he was booked only five months in advance.
Many dealers say the Monitor Tops, manufactured by General Electric Co.
from
1927 to 1937, are the most sought-after old refrigerators. They
estimate
that demand for the machines, one of the appliance industry's earliest
and
biggest mass-produced hits, has more than doubled over the past few
years,
and prices have increased accordingly.
Five years ago, a fully refurbished single-door Monitor Top, with its
distinctive top-mounted cylindrical motor, could go for about $1,250,
says
Mike Arnold, owner of Twentieth Century Appliance Restorations, in Troy
N.Y.
Now, it can fetch about $2,500. Rare three-door models, fully restored,
can
command $10,000 or more.
During the decade they were made, GE sold well over a million Monitor
Tops,
aided by an advertising campaign that extolled their reliability in
preserving food. The Monitor Top, GE's ads said, "Makes It Safe to Be
Hungry."
Old-appliance buffs estimate that thousands of the machines are still
in
use. That's because they were built to last. Each part, from the
tiniest
screw to its thick steel casing, was designed to work for at least 25
years,
according to an internal GE engineering document. The average modern
refrigerator has a lifespan of between five and 19 years, depending on
the
model, according to a recent survey provided by the Association of Home
Appliance Manufacturers, a Washington-based trade group.
"We get calls and notes from consumers all the time, from customers who
still have the refrigerators their parents had, and they just want us
to
know it is still around and kicking," says Kim Freeman, a spokeswoman
for
GE's Consumer Products unit. GE no longer services or makes parts for
the
Monitor Top.
Anne and Gary Graves, both 40 and commercial photographers, have eight
Monitor Tops, which they keep in their 18th-century stone house in
Raubsville, Pa. But their parents are "aghast that we have these old
refrigerators," says Mr. Graves.
"I can't imagine defrosting a refrigerator again. I can't imagine not
having
a marvelous freezer section with an icemaker. I like all the modern
conveniences," says Ms. Graves' mother, Betsy Callahan.
Many vintage-appliance aficionados also snap up fridge-related ads,
signs or
promotional merchandise. Peter Mintun, a 52-year-old cabaret singer who
lives in New York, treasures an old GE songbook, which he thinks was
published around 1928. The book's refrigerator-themed tunes were set to
popular songs of the day, like this one, to the tune of "Baby Face."

*****Post# 22527-9/27/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire/Electrolux news of the day
MESSAGE: Rich, my heart is pulsating at the thought. But as peteski says, don't count on it.

*****Post# 22530-9/27/2002-23:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Household Wonders On The History Channel
MESSAGE: Well darn. Missed it again., That's what I get for being very depressed and in bed at 9:00 p.m. my local time.

*****Post# 22531-9/28/2002-02:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: It depends on the situation arrroohhh and how the contract is written. I think in the case of these homes where the person has passed on, it's simply done that way for convenience sake. Some folks just don't want the hassle of moving large appliances, or want something new and different at their new destination.

Of course, if you have things like builtin cooktops, ovens, dishwashers, etc, those always stay with the house, but the other items there is more flexibility.

*****Post# 22532-9/28/2002-02:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I Guess People Like Us Are Getting Cool
MESSAGE: What an interesting story. It seems that kitchen appliances are a bit ahead of the curve from laundry appliances where vintage interest is concerned, but judging just by how our club has grown, I'm quite sure us laundry-philes will continue gaining ground!

Like the woman's mother, I would not likely contend with a manual defrost freezer to have a vintage refrigerator (I would just get a vintage frost free model!) and I might do without a self cleaning oven to have a Flair, but that would be about the only instance in which I would. One nice thing about the automatic laundry side of things, is one doesn't have to give up their modern conveniences to use and enjoy the vintage machines; they are as we know usually at least as good and often better than anything available today.

*****Post# 22533-9/28/2002-04:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: No interest in washers at all
MESSAGE: I guess these people don't bother about what kind of washer they have.

*****Post# 22534-9/28/2002-05:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Is this a UK classic?
MESSAGE: I rec'd an email from someone at "blueyonder.co.uk":

I have a Philco Ecotronic Softline washing machine (inoperative - needs new grey internal door seal). Would this be of interest to you?

Email if interested and I'll forward you this email to respond to!

-ph

*****Post# 22535-9/28/2002-06:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, that was the one at today's sale. Electric, not gas, of course. So, what do you think??

*****Post# 22536-9/28/2002-06:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: Robert - would you tell me approximately what year this machine is from and whether you think that little exhaust mounted lint trap is an original feature? On the one in your picture, I see regular exhaust tubing - so is there no lint trap on these machines? Thanks.

*****Post# 22537-9/28/2002-07:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust
MESSAGE: That's right, all 4 of them. At least better than none. In the ad, one of the sales has a "50s oven". Not sure what it is but I will take pics if there's any vintage.

OK, everybody chant so the spell will work:

Kenmore 800, Kenmore 800, Kenmore 800, Kenmore 800...

*****Post# 22538-9/28/2002-08:56 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Another Appliance Graveyard
MESSAGE: I live in Southern California and went to "Appliance Recycling Factory" in Riverside, California. Appliances left outdoors full of dust and dirt. Some brand new models and some old. Many were partially dismantled. There were areas just full of parts such as agitators. The only machines maintained and kept indoors for resale were current models. Many appliances outdoors had "trash" written on them. I did manage to find a Frigedaire Jet Cone washer in bronze outdoors but I am sure it was not in working order. I also found some vintage wringer washers and also easy washers with spin dryer but they were dirty, full of cobwebs, and not in working order. Another appliance graveyard.

*****Post# 22539-9/28/2002-21:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: No appliances except for a picture of a vintage Roper stove, but the 70s buffs like me should rejoice! I snatched up a top o' the line Zenith stereo from about 1979. This thing has more buttons than a 9 year old can drool over. The amp and radio works but the mechanical stuff doesn't... yet. Also, some really cool and rare 70s records. Originals in mint condition! Now time to find that Seeburg 222! I also picked up a new in the box Bentley Super 8 camera & projector set. NOW I can convert more vintage footage of ME to Digital 8. Cool huh? Super 8 to Digital 8. The prize of the day is a 1960s Akai Reel-to-reel/8 track deck. I plugged it in, turned the switch and Nat King Cole started singing "Unforgettable". As far as vintage audio goes. THIS IS one of my dream machines. YAY! I can't believe it! Unforgettable!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst?.dir=/pictures/estate+sales+09282002&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 22540-9/28/2002-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: Well Anthony, that dryer seems to show up all over the place. I've seen two of them, Greg has one, Peter has one. It must have been a big seller and it seems to have lasted. Its a nice dryer, I like mine, but its not a that rare.

*****Post# 22541-9/28/2002-22:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Friday
MESSAGE: Its a 1951 model, and yes mine did have the lint filter box, but I removed it as I prefer a self-cleaning lint filter :)

*****Post# 22542-9/28/2002-22:07 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, I am really happy for you!! You found some neat treasures today. You have a bunch of new toys to play with. Have fun. Terry

*****Post# 22543-9/28/2002-22:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: Well a big congrats Jason! How fun is that when you find some really cool things, and thanks for posting the pictures, I hope you keep doing that. I have some pictures from today sales too, which I will post later on or tomorrow, but there was nothing grand at any of the sales we went to today.

Good luck with restoration of the Zenith!!

*****Post# 22544-9/29/2002-01:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Estate sale saturday reveals true treasure!
MESSAGE: After weeks of bringing home little or nothing from the sales, I finally found something truly rare and vintage - a real find. I stood and looked at it for a few minutes, pinching myself that I wasn't dreaming... Once I blow the dust off, it will have a prominent place in my collection!

Have a look!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.src=ph&.dnm=My+Vintage+Find+for+the+day!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22545-9/29/2002-02:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: No interest in washers at all
MESSAGE: I dont get it?

Is it because they are selling it so quickly? Or are the selling it because the machne has a small ding or is it because its a common Kenmore?

*****Post# 22546-9/29/2002-03:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jason, I love the Akai deck, it's a beauty.

I guess the fabric softener prevents the lint filter from spitting out the lint as we saw happen last year at Robert's?

Louis

*****Post# 22548-9/29/2002-03:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: No interest in washers at all
MESSAGE: Aha!! They discovered their own mistake! The title of the ad was: GE washer and dryer 80 series.

Louis

*****Post# 22549-9/29/2002-06:39 ||| mrcoffee (Flint, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this discrimination? (Under consideration, portable Maytag.)
MESSAGE: I'll download the Mac version of the Windows Media Player when I get the chance. Hopefully, it'll work. Info appreciated.

On the Maytag portable. Believe it or not, it's still going with that lawn mower belt! So, I may just go ahead and re-attach the back after a good cleaning.

I never realized how much them things splash though! Glad I'm running it on my tiled floor in the bathroom.

*****Post# 22550-9/29/2002-09:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: JImmy's Maytag AMP washer and dryer together at last!
MESSAGE: Jimmy sent me some photos of his Maytag AMP washer and condensor dryer that he's reunited in his driveway. They look beautiful together, Jimmy and the cars are stunning!

Let's throw in some washing and drive downtown for shopping and a bite of lunch! Oh, the freedom of automatic washing and drying, what would we do without them!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gefilterflo/vwp?.dir=/New+Arrivals&.src=ph&.dnm=Maytags+And+Cars.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gefilterflo/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bArrivals%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22551-9/29/2002-09:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: You made some very cool finds yesterday - thanks for the doing the pictures for us! My sister lived in Algiers Point while at Tulane, it's a wonderful area. That was a cool range, Roper also made a 6 burner version of that, 4 burners along the back and two on each side in front leaving a large open work space front and center. I always thought that was good planning of the worktop for a range. Congrats on finding one of your dream machines - where do the 8 tracks go?

*****Post# 22552-9/29/2002-09:45 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Parts Finds..........and Thx to Greg N
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, thanks for posting the pix of my Maytags. They are now safe and sound in their new spot in my garage showroom. Spent the day yesterday with John LeFever and Bob S. We went parts hunting and made some fantastic finds........I got lots of GE, Philco, Kenmore stuff, and even a Westinghouse transmission for my 1941 washer. Will have to give you a call and tell you about it. Im going back to the parts house sometime this week. Will take pics this time when we are there...........

*****Post# 22553-9/29/2002-10:10 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: JImmy's Maytag AMP washer and dryer together at last!
MESSAGE: Congradulations, Jimmy! They are real beauties. When you have time, how about a close-up of the tubs and control knobs? What year are they? Between a 49 and 53?

I wish you lived here in Atlanta. I'd so love to see them in person.
Les

*****Post# 22554-9/29/2002-12:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: JImmy's Maytag AMP washer and dryer together at last! (Beautiful Jimmy)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, My that Maytag set is beautiful. It is really neat when you can have a matching set. Some great looking cars in your pictures too. Thanks for sharing and thanks for posting Greg. I like you idea of shopping and lunch!!LOL Terry

*****Post# 22556-9/29/2002-13:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: JImmy's Maytag AMP washer and dryer together at last! (Wonderful Jimmy!)
MESSAGE: Well this is wonderful! I never knew Maytag made condensor dryers. When did the switch over to the other kind?

How fantastic to have the complete set. Keep this up, and maybe one day we'll be having a convention in Ohio!

*****Post# 22557-9/29/2002-13:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: That's really fun Jason! Thanks for the pictures. I remember all those things very well.

*****Post# 22561-9/29/2002-19:29 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Condenser Maytag and A3MP
MESSAGE: Glad you liked the Maytag set. I have Gregg to thank for talking me into getting the Maytag washer. I had the condenser dryer for about a year (it was a horror picking it up, story to follow in the next post). Im so glad I got them now, as they are an unusual set. I think this was about the last year for the condenser dryer (1953?/1954). It works great, but does use a lot of water. Glad you liked the cars Appnut. When I get bored with the washers, I just get out one of the cars to play with. I dont think I will ever be done, not working on something to fix!

*****Post# 22562-9/29/2002-19:40 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer
MESSAGE: I got a call out of the blue from some lady, saying she had an old stove and old dryer for sale, did I want them? I went out to look and low and behold it was the Maytag condenser dryer, and also a Maytag Dutch oven. Both were almost mint. I paid her $50.00 apiece but told her I would need to bring a STRONG friend over the next night to help me get them out of the basement. We went over the next night and worked and worked, tugged and pushed, and pulled and finally got the dryer out of the basement. The walls had been built around the laundry room with no foresite for new things coming in OR old things going out. After taking about 1.5 hrs to get the dryer out, we realized there was NO WAY the huge Maytag Dutch Oven would ever make it out in one piece. I sadly told the lady we would have pass on getting it and would need a refund on the $50.00 I had paid her. In one of the worst cases of human nature I had experienced in a long time, she absolutely refused to give me my money back. I was absolutely livid! After all we had worked for, and how it was not our fault, she would not budge. Not dont get me wrong, I was glad to have the condenser dryer, even for the $100.00 I paid her, but can you imagine anyone being that nasty? It took a while for the memory of that to go away whenever I looked at the dryer!

*****Post# 22563-9/29/2002-19:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate saleing in the Land of Rust (A GREAT day for vintage Hi-Fi (Bob Wirth LOOK))
MESSAGE: There's a slot on the side of the machine for the 8 tracks. I haven't tried the 8 track yet because I don't want to ruin any of my tapes. I need to take it apart and make sure all heads/belts are clean. While playing some of the reels, I heard the sound wobbling so I'm sure it's due a cleaning/belts/head realignment. I might just take it to a pro audio shop and let them do their wizardry. This is a finely tuned audio device and should be serviced by a professional.

It might get some actual use as I'm also playing drums in a band and a tape recorder can come in handy. Yeah I know I can go digital, but you can get some cool sounding stuff with analog equipment.

*****Post# 22564-9/29/2002-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: On the gardenweb.com's appliance forum, there's a link entitled "What were THEY smoking? Dept.". In that thread, is a ghuy who posts about his memories of his family's James dishwasher and gave quite detailed information on how it worked and some inner workings. He and his dad kept it running until the 70s. What started the threatd? The James dishwasher model that fit winin the gas range.

*****Post# 22565-9/29/2002-21:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....)
MESSAGE: I can't believe it Jimmy, she probably figured she will never get rid of it now, but thats just "wrong", that is disturbing to hear.............. she obviously has ZERO scruples........hope the dryer was worth it.........

As a result of that discussion on THS, I drew sketches from memory. Seeing photos was really fun.

CleanTeam's James looks exactly like the one my parents had from the early 50s till the late 70s. It had no heater and no "sterilize" cycle like Robert's.

I'd completely forgotten about the removable glassware rack.

My dad made many repairs to the unit over the years; as I became a teenager I began working alongside him. I think a bearing died, and that was the end of the James. By then, I'd been married a couple of years and out of the house.

Robert, the pump on my parents' James was a simple mechanical one. Its pulley, like that on CleanTeam's, sat idle in the middle of the v-belt loop; when a solenoid yanked the pump to one side, its pulley mated with the belt.

Regarding loading, I think we just put plates of varying sizes in the bottom rack.

The link below is to my page of sketches; I just made them today, and tonight I've found this forum. Talk about coincidences this month!

If you've got questions, email me at rick@cfcl.com. I could even ask my parents for further info about the James. Now 81 and 82, they probably remember it well.
LINK: http://www.cfcl.com/rick/james/james.html

*****Post# 22567-9/29/2002-21:28 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Condenser Maytag and A3MP (Maytag dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, You really earned that dryer I would say. I think Maytag might have made a condenser dryer after yours. My aunt had one but I am not sure when she got it. I am thinking around 1956-58. It was almost like yours except it had a back console. It was a great dryer and she used it till she moved in 1975 to Florida and sold it with the house. You are so right it does use a lot of water but she often would place the hose in the washer when she was drying a load and it would just about fill the tub. As I remember the water was always very clean and clear. Hope you will take some pictures when you have it moved into its new home. Sure a beautiful set! Terry

*****Post# 22568-9/29/2002-21:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: roughly sixteen hours to paint the Norge (what year?)
MESSAGE: spent most of Friday late afternoon/evening sanding and first coat and Saturday sanding again and second coat, top is porcelain and that cleaned up sweet. Pics coming soon, like a real goofball I forgot to take pics of it before painting - DER!! - oh well... Painted the "kick panel", if you will, on both my Whirlpool washers black as well.

The Norge Time Line Dryer is an AE 620, does anyone know WHAT YEAR that model was made?

*****Post# 22570-9/29/2002-21:35 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....)
MESSAGE: Believe me Greg, I dont often tell someone off, but I sure did let fly to that lady. I hope she has to pay someone a fortune to get it out of the house. She deserves it. I went out the door of her house muttering expletives--deleted! XXXX##&@($(#((!:Q?!?Q?>W*****Post# 22571-9/29/2002-21:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....is that legal?)
MESSAGE: good, I am glad you told her off....do i even ask what her reaction was?, her reasoning?, if any, behind keeping the $$?? I mean if you had not payed until getting there then you would have declined and not paid.....right? The more I think about this I don't think she can do this Jimmy, she can't keep your money like that......did you have any witnesses?? I don't now how it is legal for her to sell something that cannot be removed from her house. God, it bugs me and it didn't even happen to me. I can only imagine how livid you were/are.....

*****Post# 22572-9/29/2002-21:58 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....is that legal?)
MESSAGE: Greg, is most certainly was not legal. Im sure I could have done a small claim against her. But there is such a thing as bad Karma, and that Maytag Dutch Oven will haunt her Im sure. It was just not worth my time and trouble to pursue it. She will get what she has coming, one way or another. XX##@@&^!&&$$t@!!!! dame!

*****Post# 22574-9/29/2002-22:11 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Condenser dryers
MESSAGE: How does a condenser dryer work? Sorry to ask such an elementary question but I'm fairly new to the group and haven't any background on the inner workings of older dryers. I always paid more attention to the washers.
Les

*****Post# 22575-9/29/2002-22:15 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse FL Question
MESSAGE: I have been having a ball with my Spacemates. A friend of mine has a newer set and asked me to do a little maintenance on it.

When I moved his (bought in 1991) out from the wall and took the cover off the back, I just about had heart failure! It was not at all like mine on the inside. No potatoe (sp??) pully, no solenoids, and a separate drain pump. It was more like my fridgemore FL. What a shock! I like my spacemates lots better.

I have a few questions about maintenance. Are there any bearings that need to be greased in this washer?

It needs a new boot, too. I would like to remove the front panel of the washer (like I did on my spacemate) but I can't figure out how to remove the timer knob. On my spacemate, turning the knob backwards unscrewed it. On this one, turning the knob it just turns and clicks. Any ideas out there?

My friend actually taught me how to retrieve coins from the pump protector.

Any maintenance recommended on the dryer other than vacuuming out all the lint?

After checking out his machine, I must say his was built cheaper and had a lot more rust for only being about 11 years old.

*****Post# 22576-9/29/2002-22:50 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse FL Question (For Steve 1-18)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, I am not having any luck reaching you, even with the other email address you sent me. I would love to chat, but will have to try a different approach, any ideas? Don

*****Post# 22578-9/29/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: JImmy's Maytag AMP washer and dryer together at last!
MESSAGE: Very cool pictures Jimmy, eventually I really want to get a vintage car to go with my AMP too!

*****Post# 22579-9/29/2002-22:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Wow great sketches Rich, your memory is very good. I'll have to post some more pictures of my James soon. Very fun dishwasher with the window lid and all.

*****Post# 22580-9/29/2002-23:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: As you can see by these few lame pictures, there wasn't much to see in the vintage laundry department at the sales this weekend. But there was a very woodgrainy Kenmore set and one of the last belt-drive GE's, using Hotpoint's double decker agitator.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Sales-9-29-02.jpg

*****Post# 22581-9/29/2002-23:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE dw model GSD940D-03 (year 1982) question on fill time?
MESSAGE: Excuse me Steve, but you forgot to mention that I was the one who discovered the inadequiate fills on both of those dishwashers as well as your friends' GE dishwasher (about the same age as Greg's parents') that wasn't washing well. Greg it's a common problem after so many years. I had to have my solenoid replaced so that it would add plenty of water to wash like it had previously. (I was manually adding more water when I could hear the pump not fully charged after each fill). That was when the machine was 11 years old--now 4 years later. I live an area that has very hard water. Also, Greg, not every fill is the same time length. On many models, I've noticed the second fill isn't as full as the first or 3rd fill. And if there are 3 rinses after the main wash, that first rinse isn't a full fill either.

*****Post# 22582-9/29/2002-23:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The WD-57 Frigidaire Pulsamatic is Installed
MESSAGE: I took some pictures of his first offical wash in his new location...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/WD-57.jpg

*****Post# 22583-9/29/2002-23:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The WD-57 Frigidaire Pulsamatic is Installed
MESSAGE: very nice! And you demonstrated proper unloading of the machine in the last picture!

*****Post# 22584-9/29/2002-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The WD-57 Frigidaire Pulsamatic is Installed
MESSAGE: Robert, he is most definitely a handsome machine!!! And right next to the coin-op superduty. But, BTW, where's the 1955 Pulsamatic residing now?

*****Post# 22585-9/30/2002-06:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....is that legal?)
MESSAGE: Good point Greg. While I am not sure it is worth it for the amount of money involved, there must be some legal remedy - like small claims court or something like that. If she were a business, you could always call your local TV station Jimmy and talk to one of the "consumer reporters" and get them to embarrass her publicly on TV like they do here in N.Y.

I am always amazed at the lack of integrity I seein people. Very disappointing! At least the dryer was a find.

BTW Greg, how did you sand the dryer? Any special methods? Did you take it down to the metal or did you just rough up the surface a bit? What did you use for paint? Appliance epoxy or regular Rust-o-leum? Can't wait for pic of the Time Line!!

*****Post# 22586-9/30/2002-07:42 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: she obviously has ZERO scruples
MESSAGE: How do you think I feel now that someone came into my studio, taken one of my Babies, claims to have repainted it, and now won't speak to me any longer, or even show photos of the paint, or even photos of the machine, back together in one piece? I'm really sore about that. This is suppose to be a club where we SHARE our experiences. Someone here absolutely wore out the AOL IM trying to get me to sell him a dishwasher, never mentioned a washer sale at all until the day of the convention (which put me under a lot of pressure), and now, I'm not allowed to know the time of day about the machine any longer. If I had a moment to think about it, I should have NEVER sold Old Lady Whirlpool, because she meant WAY more to me than perhaps you fellows can know, and represented 10 years of my lifes work, and pride & joy. Now it's gone and all I have to show for it is sore feelings. I can assure you fellows, I will not sell my appliances to strangers EVER AGAIN, and DO NO THINK THIS IS FUNNY. If I can't concern myself with how the paint job's going on what was once my washer for over 10 years, then I do not think it's at all fun to associate with these types of folk. NOW, I'm THE BAD GUY after all these years of collecting and restoring.
WHO CARES about HOW A DISCARDED, FALLEN DOWN OLD NORGE DRYER LOOKS? I WANNA SEE MY BABY WITH HER NEW FACE PAINT ON!
WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE OLD LADY WHIRLPOOL WASHER WITH HER NEW PAINT ON, GREGM? Is she standing, top off, pieces about the room in boxes, half naked in your Mother's basment?
I, personally, have no respect for an appliance collector who's only 'skill' is to pick them up and repaint them, then not even show the finished paint. The guy doesn't even own or know how to use a multimeter. He's not qualified to own anything more complicated than a light bulb.
I'm really, really mad about this, guys, and I suggest you all protect yourselves from allowing this to happen to you by not selling any machine you really care about, especially to someone you do not know. I will NEVER do it again. I care much more about my machines than I do for strangers coming into my life, practically stealing my machines then making me out to be the asshole. END OF CONVERSATION (that's just what he said to me about it, like I'm a 5 year old and he's my Dad)
You know what, I don't think so.

*****Post# 22587-9/30/2002-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate sale saturday reveals true treasure!
MESSAGE: Do you want it? I had never seen one of these combo filter/dispenser units either, I haven't looked in the parts books to see if it's listed under a certain model but I'm curious to know - it might have been an option too. The washer was long gone and replaced with a 24" KM DD.

*****Post# 22588-9/30/2002-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Condenser dryers
MESSAGE: There were several methods of drying clothes this way. Most condenser dryers used cold water to condense the moisture removed from the clothes by the heating units. In the maytag, there was an outer drum that had a "sheet" of cold water running along the middle of one side to the bottom of the unit where it was collected and pumped away. In others, hot, moist air was circulated through a tube that had a cold water spray to condense the moisture. Frigidaire dryers used cool, moving air over rows of small tubes to condense the moisture. The warm moist air is naturally drawn to a cooler surface and condenses. Usually, these dryers were slower (sometimes considerably) than traditional air-flow dryers and were also usually much hotter to "boil" off the water in the clothes. The Frigidaire had a normal operating temp of 209 degrees. The picture of the day yesterday - Hotpoint dryer was a condenser dryer that used cool water sprayed into a collection pan below the drum.

*****Post# 22589-9/30/2002-07:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Picking up the Maytag Condenser Dryer (thats ridiculous.....is that legal?)
MESSAGE: I'm sure Jimmy could go on and on about the peculiar behavior of the general public at his estate sales, the sad part is that these people think they are "entitled" to something for nothing and there is no changing them.

*****Post# 22590-9/30/2002-07:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE dw model GSD940D-03 (year 1982) question on fill time?
MESSAGE: One of my friends has a early 90's Kenmore dishwasher that short-fills so badly that it takes almost 3 seconds before the pump gets enough water to pump a surge - it sounds like it's dying. I've mentioned this problem but it has fallen on deaf ears. She washes everthing in the sink before it goes into the machine and "everything is clean" when it comes out of the dishwasher. It's been running this way for 5 years now...

*****Post# 22591-9/30/2002-08:12 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Finds..........and Thx to Greg N (Great Maytags Jimmy!!!!)
MESSAGE: What great finds you have there Jimmy!!! They look great and its nice that you have a matched set. I guess with the condenser dryer you can use the leftover water to fill the washer as a cold water suds savers version. Enjoy them, and I love the cars too they look great too

*****Post# 22595-9/30/2002-09:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Condenser dryers
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. So does that mean condenser dryers had to be hooked up to a cold water line just like the washer or did it use the water drawn from the wet clothes? I see they had a drain hose. Looks like alot more plumbing was needed for one of these dryes. I can see why they no longer use this method. Inefficiency (longer drying time) and requiring more instalation.

*****Post# 22596-9/30/2002-09:54 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: she obviously has ZERO scruples (gimme a break)
MESSAGE: BOB, I am not about nor do I need to defend myself here, whereas you decided to bring your agenda into the club. I am sure people realize there are two sides to a story........

FYI, I followed your advice on painting the bottom black like you BOLDLY suggested. I will be glad to show photos when I GET A CHANCE. I never disagreed with you, I just didn't like your temper or the way you came across. I am moving on now, I hope you can too.....take care......

As far as the dryer goes I sanded it down with coarser paper and working my way down to finer paper. Where there was rust I had to sand down to bare metal. Whereas I could not spray it in my folks basement. I rolled on Rustoleum gloss white with a foam roller (two coats), sanding in between. It actually came out great and surprisingly smooth. I wanted to avoid the "orange peel" effect as much as possible. Thanks for asking

*****Post# 22599-9/30/2002-10:20 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: GIMME A BREAK - FEELINGS
MESSAGE: I think the real issue here is that a mans feelings have been hurt (mine), and that even though I've expressed that as well as I can, I'm suppose to just 'move on' without any resolution to the problem?
Doesn't anyone know how to say 'sorry' anymore?
I, for one, refuse to be bullied around by some giant alpha male type .
I'll move on but it will be with a big scar on my heart.
I'm sorry I ever mentioned it. Reality is a bitch. Sorry about that too.

*****Post# 22600-9/30/2002-10:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: POD great colors !!
MESSAGE: is that an ad from the fifties in LIFE magazine??

*****Post# 22601-9/30/2002-10:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: GIMME A BREAK - FEELINGS (sorry, OK?)
MESSAGE: BOB, lets just move on, no hard feelings, I am taking very good care of your machine and showing it the respect that you would appreciate and will try to get pics out here as soon as I can, OK? Have a good day............

*****Post# 22603-9/30/2002-11:27 ||| Rick_auricchio (Cambria, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I was surprised, Robert, at how well my sketch matched reality! I was unsure about where the timer-drive eccentric went, and put it to the left of the main shaft. Sure 'nuff, that's where it is.

Your James appears to be a fancier one than the one I grew up with: yours has more rounded corners, the heater and sani option, and the badge is gold and centered on one panel. I recall a simpler, silver-colored badge in an upper corner of one of the larger sides.

In any event, it's a pretty remarkable piece of machinery. No electronics at all; of course, they only had germanium diodes back then: virtually none of the then-new transistors in consumer gear, no silicon diodes, and perhaps selenium rectifiers. None of these components would be of much use in a dishwasher without some way to implement the controller anyway.

If you've had the impeller housing apart, you'll see another eccentric, reducing the impeller speed to drive the deflector ribbon. I was always amazed that they were able to run this at such a high speed! These parts are inside the flat pan that attaches the impeller assembly to the interior of the drum. When you reassemble the impeller to the tub, you have to ensure there's no water leak: that area is almost certainly well-lubricated, and I doubt there's much of a seal to the pulley end of things.

*****Post# 22604-9/30/2002-11:54 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: POD great colors !!
MESSAGE: The daily pics get better and better. I love the GE layouts. What odd locations for the air conditioner. Not to mention putting the washer-dryer combo under the built-in oven!

I like the layout of the blue kitchen better and love that 58 filter-flo pair.

*****Post# 22605-9/30/2002-12:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD great colors !!
MESSAGE: And check out the music system on the bottom right corner! I'm sure that's a GE turntable.

*****Post# 22606-9/30/2002-13:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD great colors !!
MESSAGE: With the combo washer-dryer under the oven, the dryer heat can help pre-heat the oven for dinner ;-) Those dryers get very, very hot - another condenser for ya!

*****Post# 22607-9/30/2002-14:04 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: POD great colors !!
MESSAGE: Not only that, but if you spill something on your clothes while baking something in the oven you can just take off the soiled garment and toss it right in the washer without having to leave your dinner unattended. LOL.

*****Post# 22609-9/30/2002-15:29 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Two Questions
MESSAGE: Question 1: Did Modern Maid (or whatever that brand was called) once sell a combination dishwasher/range? I seem to recall seeing one at the local gas company showroom. It looked like one of those tall, old-school 2-oven ranges, except the bottom was a dishwasher instead of an oven. Which parent company produced it? G.E. perhaps? They had some funky ideas back in the day.

Question 2: Did Frigidaire (or maybe it was another brand) make countertop burner whichs folded down from the wall onto the counter? I seem to recall seeing something like that when I was a kid.

*****Post# 22610-9/30/2002-15:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions (Two Questions )
MESSAGE: Hi Eugene
The modern maid did produce a DW / Range like that
The DW was a D&M style
I am not sure about the 2nd ? however I seem to remember Hotpoint made something like a fold down range from the wall
maybe Frigidaire did also?
Peter

*****Post# 22611-9/30/2002-15:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions
MESSAGE: Modern Maid did carry the animal you are talking about - dishwasher below the range, I think it was also available in other brand names too. The dishwasher was made by D&M, the stove/oven section might have been a Hardwick? I've seen gas and electric models of these. My father had one in gas at a winter home in Scottsdale, dishwasher never worked and peed water on the floor.

Frigidaire did make these flip-up burner units, very smart looking.

I think you have me confused with GregM - his number is....just kidding! ;-)

*****Post# 22612-9/30/2002-15:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Hands of the agitators!
MESSAGE: When I was in first grade we went on the computers a lot. When they wanted our attention they would say "Hands off the keyboards!" I think they should make a vintage washer class. Then they would say "Hands off the agitators!" That would be fun!!!

*****Post# 22614-9/30/2002-16:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions (Diswasher/range combo)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn
I hope you are doing well
Speed Queen as I remember had a dishwasher in the 70's and it was definatly a D&M.
Peter

*****Post# 22615-9/30/2002-17:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions (Diswasher/range combo)
MESSAGE: I forgot about Speed Queen dishwashers - they did have the range-d/w combo too! Does anyone have any pictures of the SQ dishwashers? I have never even seen service info from SQ on these....

*****Post# 22616-9/30/2002-17:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Discarding Clothes - By Accident
MESSAGE: We have laughed a few times here about people getting rid of appliances with clothes in them - 'how could they do that??'

Well, it's easier than you might think! Take a look -
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.src=ph&.dnm=Ready+to+roll.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22617-9/30/2002-18:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Discarding Clothes - By Accident
MESSAGE: where are those items off to? I had thought you were keeping both of those items.

*****Post# 22618-9/30/2002-18:23 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: What washer is that?
MESSAGE: To the right of the abc-o-matic what washer is that? I do believe that is has a glass on top of it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/vwp?.dir=/Convention+2001+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=They+are+all+so+beautiful..jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Convention%2b2001%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22619-9/30/2002-18:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What washer is that?
MESSAGE: Jamie, that is a 1951 GE toploader. The controls are on front, and it has a removable lid, porcelain tub and aluminum agitator. It is a very neat machine!

If you go to the GE wing of the museum, you can find out more about it and see more pictures.

*****Post# 22621-9/30/2002-18:46 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Two Questions/Hands Off The Agitators
MESSAGE: Thanks to everyone who confirmed my recall of the range/dw combination. Would anyone have pics/sales lit for the Frigidaire fold-down burners?

On an old topic: I wish the Frigidaire brand would have been retired when GM bailed. The Westy years were bleak, indeed, except for the fact Frigidaire got a front-loading washer. I have a brand-spankin' new Frigidaire front-loader, and outside the fact it's styled like a bar of soap, it's a good machine. Increasing the spin RPM's was a good move. I just replaced a first generation Frigi/Electrolux and the changes are noticeable. Of course, I realize my poor Frigi will always have to play Nova to the Hettie's Corvette...sniff!

*****Post# 22622-9/30/2002-19:16 ||| rick_auricchio (Cambria, CA)
SUBJECT: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster?
MESSAGE: I have one of these; it mounts in a wall or the side of a cabinet and pulls out. It's a four-slice KBH-101 unit (though the label says KBT-100) and it works.

Unfortunately, I can't find a source for spare parts, so it won't get moved to my new kitchen.

If there's any interest in this amusing little jewel, I will be removing it from service about the first of the year.

*****Post# 22623-9/30/2002-19:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster?
MESSAGE: That is so cool! I"ve not seen anything like that before. If it is a McGraw Edison product, you may want to see if any parts are available under the Toastmaster name. They too were part of McGraw Edison. Their toasters were excellent.

*****Post# 22625-9/30/2002-21:04 ||| ()
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster?
MESSAGE: Some friends of my mothers got one of these as part of his bonus from work one Christmas, I thought it was the neatest thing I'd ever seen - how fun that yours is still around. Does it work now? The one I saw was not a Modern Maid, but I can't remember what it was - something like Broan or Nutone, but I don't remember for sure. Thanks for the pictures!

*****Post# 22626-9/30/2002-21:10 ||| ()
SUBJECT: RE: Discarding Clothes - By Accident (No room, no room, no room...)
MESSAGE: Those items are off to the krusher. I opened up that Hoover washer and evidently the pump had been leaking a long, long time and it was possibly stored outside for a while. The inside of the cabinet was completely rusted. There were very few parts I was able to scavenge from it. I've seen nicer ones at sales and the like, so another nicer one is right around the corner. The GE dryer is gone too, I decided to have a look at that 1960 Whirlpool dryer (also sunny yellow) and discovered that the only reason it made so much noise is that the drum pulley was loose and wobbling on the drum shaft. I tightened it up and it works beautifully. I had no takers when I offered the WP dryer so I didn't figure I would for the BOL GE either. I saved the controls and control panel just in case though....

Amazingly, there was a broken one in our previous house. It was tiled into the backsplash, which was rotten. Luckily, I just slid the microwave over and hid it.

That house also had the built-in Nutone Food Center, but nary an attachment. This house, surprisingly, has an operating Nutone and all of its attachments. Matter of fact, I even have the special molded slide-out shelves. The shelves are molded with form-fit "holes" for all the attachments.

The Nutone Food Center will also be discarded about the first of the year when the old kitchen gets demolished. Again, if someone wants it...

*****Post# 22628-9/30/2002-21:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Frigidaire 'Gallery' is Open!
MESSAGE: I took some pictures tonight of the laundry rooms after I moved the 55 Filtrator in next to her mate. I've been working on some new lighting in both rooms and will post some fun shots of that later - it's very romantic! These are the new pictures of the laundry rooms.
LINK: http://edit.photos.yahoo.com/edit/gansky1/fupload_parent?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.src=ph&.action=upload&.view=t&.vty=p&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Collection%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22629-9/30/2002-21:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: I installed lighting under the shelves in the Frigidaire room and some in the south room above the Maytags too, what a difference good lighing or "staging" makes!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=WO65.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22630-9/30/2002-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, yes a vintage dishwasher with a selenium rectifier would be quite an interesting contraption, I just wouldn't want to be around if the poor thing let go with age and filled the room with poisonous gas, phew. Of course part of the dw restoration then would be replacing the selenium rectifier(s) with a modern diode and dropping resistor, thankfully we only have to do that in vintage TV restoration. :)

*****Post# 22636-9/30/2002-22:17 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: Greg, You have a great laundry set up and the Frigidaire machines in your collection are wonderful pieces. The lighting is great. What did you use. I would like that in our Kitchen. Thank you all for the wonderful jobs you do with your restoration work. It is a pleasure every day to get up and see what is new at Applianceville. Dano

*****Post# 22637-9/30/2002-22:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: WOW, Greg, the Frigidaire Gallery looks beautiful, brought a tear to my eye. I can't wait to come down and see it in person!

*****Post# 22639-9/30/2002-22:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire 'Gallery' is Open! (error message?)
MESSAGE: with regard to responding to this post I got an error message when trying to go to your link??

*****Post# 22640-9/30/2002-23:58 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions (Flip Down Frigidaire Burners)
MESSAGE: When I lived in Missouri, the house I was renting had the kitchen redone sometime in the late 50's or early 60's. It had a rather nasty GE American range. BUT...it did have a wonderful Frigidaire stainless steel built in wall oven with, I believe, they're called "dutch doors." The oven had a small lip that flipped up over the two doors. It reminded me of the same design as hardtop design cars of the time, with the small lip that would flip up over the window glass in the doors to seal out wind and rain. Who knows what the weather might be inside your kitchen!

Now, this same house also had two Frigidaire flip down warming burners. Both stainless steel and I could actually use them for cooking. They heated very well and worked much better than the stove did! The burners were built into the wall and when lowered would rest on the countertop.

And too, I just bought a new Frigidaire Gallery set this past January. Other than a couple of small delivery glitches, I've had very good luck with my set, hope you enjoy yours as well!

*****Post# 22641-10/1/2002-00:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster? (--and Nutone Food Center too)
MESSAGE: hmmmm...are you sure you want a new kitchen? I think I like the sounds of your old one better! LOL

How large/bulky is the power unit for the Nutone Center?

*****Post# 22642-10/1/2002-00:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Discarding Clothes - By Accident (No room, no room, no room...)
MESSAGE: are you going to forego having a garage dryer for now, or hook up a different one?

What is *up* with these Hoover washers and pumps? LOL The UK folks have the same issues.

*****Post# 22643-10/1/2002-00:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire 'Gallery' is Open!
MESSAGE: That took me to some silly access denied message. This, I'm betting, is what you really wanted us to see. It looks great, although you moved everything about again. Certainly you will never grow tired of the arrangement of the laundry rooms! :)
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1950+WO65+%26+TR60+Filtrator&.src=ph&.dnm=WO65+In+his+new+home.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1950%2bWO65%2b%2526%2bTR60%2bFiltrator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22644-10/1/2002-00:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: Those lights look wonderful! Except now, everything is in a different place again! (!) I must have been looking at some older pictures before, when I got that weird error message.

*****Post# 22647-10/1/2002-07:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the nice comments everyone - makes the work worthwhile when you can share it with people who appreciate it! Digital pictures are usually very flattering and believe me, there are still some final touches that need to be done, but it's very exciting to get at least the one room looking nice. Thanks again - Greg

Here's a better link to the Frigidaire lighting, I'm not sure why I ended up with a link to add photos to this album, but this is the correct one now.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=WO65.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22648-10/1/2002-07:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire 'Gallery' is Open!
MESSAGE: This is the link to the photo of the WO65 when he was moved into service - an exciting day for sure, but it gets better!

*****Post# 22650-10/1/2002-07:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Discarding Clothes - By Accident (Ooopsie)
MESSAGE: While I was working out in the garage, I kept thinking of other things that needed to be done. One of those things on my list was change the bedding - that was what reminded me of the white sheets, my favorite. I got to thinking about where they were and looked up at the van and just started to laugh!

*****Post# 22651-10/1/2002-07:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Two Questions (Flip Down Frigidaire Burners)
MESSAGE: I saw one of these burner sets at a sale once. They had remodeled their kitchen in the late 70's and had kept one of these to compliment their 2 burner/grill Jenn-Air unit. A rather strange set up to say the least, but they were very cool looking. My mother was with us that day and was more amazed at my excitement over the burners!

*****Post# 22652-10/1/2002-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Discarding Clothes - By Accident (No room, no room, no room...)
MESSAGE: It's confusing around here - sometimes I forget what I'm using until I get out to the garage and see it myself! I'm using the 1960 yellow Whirlpool dryer now. It is a TOL model, has an auto-dry cycle (which works quite well) and of course, a panel light and the all important ozone bulb which the GE didn't have. Got to have that extra sanitizing for the family wash - hee hee.

I'm under the impression that Hoover never made a reliable pump as all the machines in that Iowa store I saw all needed new pumps as I was told. I think the later ones with the pinch-type valve in the 70's were better, but they were very small pumps that were being asked to do a lot of work.

*****Post# 22654-10/1/2002-08:34 ||| Montanaoverland (montana)
SUBJECT: kitchen queen 1962 vintage sink mounted appliance
MESSAGE: i have a 1962 sink mounted appliance that was featured in a new product line show in cal. back in 1962 and was used on the dick vandyke tv series on their sink. i found the complete unit with all the attachments that would allow me to make most anything from ice cream to bread dough and then some.since then i have not been able to find an other, nor am i able to deterime if it is of any value? would like someone to help? thank you.

*****Post# 22655-10/1/2002-09:03 ||| rick_auricchio (Cambria, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster? (--and Nutone Food Center too)
MESSAGE: The power unit for the Nutone is about 5x12x7. It extends about 5" below the counter. The 12" dimension is front-to-back, i.e. from the edge of the counter toward the backsplash. It has a hardwire connector.

*****Post# 22656-10/1/2002-11:19 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: New Frigidaire Gallery Set
MESSAGE: Gansky---did you say you purchased new Frigi Gallery appliances? I bought a house in July and went with an all-Frigidaire lineup. I went for the top-of-the-line stainless convection electric and gas ranges, the stainless dishwasher (love the half-load option for top or bottom rack), a big honkin' stainless fridge and the top-console front-load washer and a mid-line dryer. It's a shame they don't make a stainless interior available for the dishwasher line, but it looks great on the outside! I think the electric range is the most stylish of the lot and will be collector-worthy someday. I like the little digital readout windows for each burner. I lucked out in the kitchen; there was a connection for both electric and gas ranges. I removed a cabinet and went for two ranges, which was worth the loss of some storage space. Best of all, I got all the appliances for a shade under $4G, which just can't be beaten. Nor can the $275 in rebate checks from Frigi.

*****Post# 22658-10/1/2002-13:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything!
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, really wonderful pictures, very professional and very stylish, shivers down the spine kind of pictures. I think I told you before I used many of your pictures for my desktop. Well, these pictures are desktop material again!!

*****Post# 22662-10/2/2002-17:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire Gallery Set
MESSAGE: Oh no - I was just using a play on words for one my laundry rooms that is full of vintage GM Frigidaire washers and dryers! I have a Frigidaire range, a 1958 40" beauty in charcoal gray. The newest Frigidaire (by name only) that I have is a dehumidifier that I purchased new in 1998, the loudest appliance I have ever heard!

I'm glad you enjoyed the pictures, I had fun taking them, such beautiful subject matter makes it even more fun. I was snapping away and when I went to edit them and post them, I'd taken over 50 pictures! I still have a photo of my WO65 throwing the water on my desktop, I think it's time for a change too!

*****Post# 22665-10/2/2002-17:13 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lighting is everything! (vintage photography)
MESSAGE: You are getting to be quite the expert with that camera. :-)

*****Post# 22666-10/2/2002-17:24 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Dear Uni...
MESSAGE: Uni in your Norge Timeline, did you change the agitator when you took video with the burp-up agitator? What does this agitator look like I could not get a clear image of it. My mom wants to know what it looks like because she says that it moves the clothes better than she has ever seen. Could I please have a picture to keep and treasure?

Best Washes
-Jamie-

*****Post# 22667-10/2/2002-19:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dear Uni... (of course)
MESSAGE: Dear Pulsator, yes I did change the agitator in the Norge and of course you can have a picture to keep and treasure :)...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/lst?.dir=/Norge+Burp-a-lator&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 22668-10/2/2002-21:18 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili
MESSAGE: Glenn, I hope these guys have gotten out of town. The forecast is very ominous right now. This seems a lot like Andrew; small but very ferocious nonetheless. You are right, the residents of Louisiana need our thoughts & prayers. Hopefully, we'll hear from Jason & TCox soon.

*****Post# 22669-10/2/2002-21:22 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili
MESSAGE: Thanks, guys. I have put my prized 65 Frigidaire Rapidry up on blocks just in case we flood. I live 6 blocks away from Lake Pontchartrain, and we are prepared for a fierce one. My home has withstood many hurricanes, but I am worried about Jason's trailer ... please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. I am glad to be a part of such a wonderful group of folks.

*****Post# 22670-10/2/2002-21:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The WD-57 Frigidaire Pulsamatic is Installed
MESSAGE: Robert, I'm greatly relieved that all Pulsamatics are accounted for. You know how I feel about that '55 Pulsamatic (so did everyone else within a 2-story ear-shot). I look forward to seeing the'57 one in action some day. Hopefully then, I'll be able to do a side-x-side comparison. I wish you well in tracking down the source of the strange noise. I'll start sending positive thoughts that it's something very minor. And thanks for pulling it out of service until then!!!! And please remember to give both Pulsamatics hugs for me. (Boy am I addicted to Frigidaires & front loaders or WHAT!!!)

*****Post# 22671-10/2/2002-21:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili
MESSAGE: I'd emailed Jason within the last two weeks the last time a tropical depression had hit near NO. Jason told me he'd gone insland, had no thoughts whatsoever of staying in the trailer, which I was greatly relieved of. I'm sure he's taking the same precautions now. And I hope Todd & his partner are doing the same.

*****Post# 22672-10/2/2002-21:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili (Todd)
MESSAGE: See my previous post. Y'all are in my thoughts & prayers. I lived through Hurricane Carla so I remember. I'm glad for this reason alone I no longer live in Houston. (And for anyone's curiousity, Hurricane Carla was responsible for the extensive coverage that yielded Dan Rather to a national level and a national career). Other than the constant wind & rain, my other memories are having no electricity, washing dishes wishout the Waste King in a clorox solution & having dry ice in the 1948 Norge deep freezer.

*****Post# 22673-10/2/2002-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The WD-57 Frigidaire Pulsamatic is Installed (Preliminary Diagnosis?)
MESSAGE: Have you made a guess as to what the noise might be? It's during agitation you hear the noise?

*****Post# 22675-10/3/2002-07:57 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: Which Washed Better?
MESSAGE: I've watched the Betty Furness "cup o' sand" video; is it REALLY true? Did Westinghouse make front loaders all through the 60's? When or why did they stop? In your opinions, did the front loaders or the top loaders of the 50's work better? Some of you guys would have the chance to compare; some of you(lucky guys!!) even have both types on hand. What about the newer front loaders? Do they perform well?

A house I rented a few years ago had a front loading, late 70's -early 80's White- Westinghouse washer and matching dryer. It seems like it did a pretty good job of cleaning my clothes. The fact that it used less water helped keep the septic system clear. I saw that washer about a month ago; it is getting rather rusty around the rubber door seal. The house is now being used for weekly summer rentals; I'm sure that the tenants don't take time to wipe up any remaining moisture.

That brings up another question: When one of you does discover a "dream machine" that has some rust, how do you repair it? Do you use some sort of auto body filler for rusted through spots?

Thanks guys(and gals?!?), I'd appreciate your input. I really enjoy the posts and photos. The 50's appliances certainly had more flair than many of the later ones.

Duane

*****Post# 22676-10/3/2002-08:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili (Hi and Dry)
MESSAGE: Lili is right now striking land about 180 mi west of New Orleans. We got some 50mph winds last night and we'll get more of the same today, but not hurricane strength. My trailer is bolted down so it would have to be a strong wind to blow it over.

We're doing ok over here.

BTW, I washed in my mom's Maytag last night. One thing I got to say. Next time I'm inside that machine changing a belt or whatever, that @#$@%@! lid switch is getting hacked. I'm tired of having to stick my finger behind the lid to watch it run. And another thing. I miss the old Kenmore dryer. That new Frigidaire dryer ain't worth the plastic it's made from.

Boy that would be fun. Pulsating and 1000rpm. A little 12lb hurricane!

*****Post# 22678-10/3/2002-08:31 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Those #@$%! New Frigi Dryers/Hurricanes
MESSAGE: jasonl-- glad to hear you're bolted down, and I'm in full agreement about the safety lid switches on Maytag machines. I've always felt lid switches are the laundry industry's version of the helmet law, ha-ha. I've had two Frigi/Electrolux dryers and have not liked either one. Why the GE/Whirlpool axis can have a 7 cu. ft. drum while the Frigi's can only muster a shirt-wrinkling 5.5 cu. ft. or whatever, is beyond me. The gas dryer that came with my 1st generation FrigiLux front loader used to scorch clothes if the load was large. My new electric hasn't had that problem, but both drums pick up dye readily. I haven't been able to dry black jeans in either of the dryers without spending time with a sponge and a bottle of 409 to remove a layer of black from the drum.

Good luck through the storm! Hang on tight.

*****Post# 22679-10/3/2002-09:01 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Those #@$%! New Frigi Dryers/Hurricanes (Since it's new...)
MESSAGE: I also have that same set of Frigidaire W/D. I have a couple of questions on your dryer as well. I'll ask them in the Sandbox.

*****Post# 22680-10/3/2002-09:25 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Frigi-Lux Dryers
MESSAGE: Ironrite-- I keep reading about the Sandbox, but don't know where it is. Can someone help me out on this point?

*****Post# 22681-10/3/2002-10:16 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi-Lux Dryers (Link to Sandbox)
MESSAGE: This is where new(er) appliances or off-topic discussions are going on. It's through Yahoo and they have pretty good instructions on how to log in and join the group.

Just click on the link below and it should take you there. In that group, I'm Cougarmike...Ironrite was already taken!!

LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

*****Post# 22682-10/3/2002-11:01 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse laundromats
MESSAGE: In the early to mid 60's there was a laundry in town that had coin-op Westinghouse front loader's. They were rather small and colored a light blue with a metal door and glass window.The tub was tilted on an angle for easy loading. This was the only laundry I ever saw these machines in. Does anyone remember these washers? ( I loved when someone would come in and pour a huge amount of soap in it, and suds would come flowing out all over the laundry.

Yes I remember those models too, and you are correct in the description. Jeff or John, I am not sure which one, but they are club members and one of them has one of those very machines in his collection. I remember seeing that machine at the convention this past summer. It’s a machine that had to be bolted down I think, with a small tub, yet I remember it only cost a quarter to do a load of laundry in it.

*****Post# 22684-10/3/2002-12:37 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Hello All!
MESSAGE: Hello everyone!
I am back and dry in Atlanta from a 2.5 week stay with family in New Orleans. Decided to come back because it was time, and I did not want to go through another tropical storm! The first one was enough, and this one was going to be much worse!
Just wanted to say that I caught up on all of the post, and wanted to thank everyone that posted pictures of the wonderful finds that you all have aquired! I am so amazed, and happy that these machines were saved!
Hope that everyone is doing well!
Just wanted to say hello!
Brent

*****Post# 22685-10/3/2002-13:17 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Laundromats
MESSAGE: Shawn-- We had the same machines at my small hometown laundromat. The water inlet was located right above the door on the outside of the machine. Water sprayed into a hole above the door that led to the tub. (This was the same hole you'd pour the Downy into when the final rinse fill started.) You could put your finger up against the inlet tube and spray water all over the place! Not that I ever did anything like that, of course. ;) I recall these machines cost a quarter to operate and had the slowest spin speed I've ever seen. In the 1970's, I saw similar machines but without external access to the water inlet, which spoiled fun for kids at laundromats all over the country, no doubt.

*****Post# 22686-10/3/2002-17:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Which Washed Better?
MESSAGE: Is it really true? I'm sure it was somewhat true, but remember, it was advertising so the results were probably somewhat (or a whole bunch) exaggerated. For sand and grit, a front loader will usually perform better - but in my '49 Westinghouse, I don't normally add sand, let alone a whole bucket full! A solid basket top loader could never handle the amount of sand poured into them on the commercial, even if the producers had made sure each machine had adequate water pressure to operate properly. In the sand test, the Westinghouse seemingly does quite well, but it wasn't an exceptional washer overall. For the vinatage machines, the top-loaders win the prize for overall washability hands down.

*****Post# 22687-10/3/2002-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello All!
MESSAGE: Welcome back - I wondered if you were still in NO for the weather, glad to hear everyone is OK.

*****Post# 22691-10/3/2002-22:46 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Which Washed Better? (Possibly, it was their retort to Consumer Reports)
MESSAGE: Product tests of the Westinghouse Laundromat front-loaders by Consumer Reports usually rated them as much worse than average in removing fine sand, which was added in a measured amount to all of the machines they tested.

Perhaps the TV spot was their way of trying to prove Consumer Reports wrong.

*****Post# 22693-10/4/2002-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Which Washed Better? (Possibly, it was their retort to Consumer Reports)
MESSAGE: In 1954, CU reported the Laundromat handled large amounts of sand relatively well, but overall washing ability was below average and tangled clothes excessively. Not only were they trying to play up the sand disposal ability, but probably dispell issues of tangling and washing ability with the sparkling white clothes coming out of the machine.

You can read all of the Consumer's Reports articles and Consumer's Research Bulletin aritcles on this site - they are very interesting!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RATE%20PAGES/LIST-INDEX.htm

I think Jeff nearly has this machine running again, but needs the clamping band that joins the front and back halves of the outer tub together to finish it.

*****Post# 22695-10/4/2002-08:04 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse laundromats (Was Jeff's a coin-op or a home version?)
MESSAGE: That was such a nice looking machine!
Was that a home version? Or a Coin-Op machine? I don't remember. I wonder if the wash would be any different from the set that Robert has. It kinda looks like the insides are the same from cut away photo's that I have seen somewhere.
I do remember somone posting a picture of that Jeff's machine. I just don't remember who it was.

*****Post# 22699-10/4/2002-11:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurricane Lili (Hi and Dry)
MESSAGE: Good to hear you weathered the storm so well. I figured when I heard that it had lost strength that you'd be ok, but it's good to have confirmation.

*****Post# 22700-10/4/2002-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse laundromats (Was Jeff's a coin-op or a home version?)
MESSAGE: Jeff's was a coin-op machine. There was also a version of this washer sold for home use as well - dubbed the "Streamliner" isn't that cute? These were both bolt-down machines and therefore spun at 350-370 rpm. The familiar slant front Westys that I, Robert and several others have are the suspension models as were seen in the Sand Test commercial.

Here's a picture of the bolt-down machine:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.src=ph&.dnm=Laundromat+Streamliner+RL1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Ads%2bArticles%2bBrochures%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22701-10/4/2002-14:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: tilt out washer?!
MESSAGE: And all but forbidden servicing too! What a nightmare these must be.

*****Post# 22702-10/4/2002-14:53 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: tilt out washer?! (tilt out floor washer?)
MESSAGE: I would like to think that the washer locked in upright in use, or oi,what a mess it would make, like you never saw before!

*****Post# 22703-10/4/2002-17:56 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Westy Streamliner
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pic of the Streamliner----and for confirming my memory that it had a very s-l-o-w spin speed. And it's even the one you can cause to spray water all over the room!

*****Post# 22704-10/4/2002-19:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse laundromats (Interesting information for me!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for that information. I did not know until you said so that the version that all of you have had a suspension. I thought that they were all bolt down.
Did they actually have shocks? Or was the suspended by springs at the top?
I would love to see one of these in action. I did not know that you had one Greg. So you have a washer / dryer set?
Brent

*****Post# 22705-10/4/2002-20:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse laundromats (Interesting information for me!)
MESSAGE: There are springs and snubbers at the top and snubbers on the sides and bottom of the 'suspended assembly' which is the tub, motor, speed changer, and pump. There are two shockingly heavy cast iron counter weights bolted to the top of the tub to keep it all in balance.

I do have a 1949 washer & dryer set, although I think the speed changer is going out in it, making some terrible noises. I might try changing the oil if I can find out what kind of oil to use. I might even have another speed changer around here somewhere that I could try.

Here are some pictures of the washer restoration and the set together. They really are beautiful, even if they weren't the top performing machines in their day - the washer still scores very high on the "drama-meter!"
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%2bLaundromat%2bL5%2bRestoration%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

I have a Universal stove from late 40s/early 50s, double-oven, double-broiler, 6 burners. I need another burner grate and stove & oven knobs. Anyone have them or know where I can get them (I know I can get repro stove knobs at antique gas stoves)?

*****Post# 22708-10/4/2002-23:51 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: tilt out washer?!
MESSAGE: hey I am a real novice compared to you washer pros.. but I had the unique experience of owning one of SpeedQueen nightmares. I was in a condo I owned. Yes.. when the washer died with a full tub of water... the fun began

*****Post# 22709-10/5/2002-00:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse laundromats (Blue Westinghouse Laundromat)
MESSAGE: I remember there's a pic with the machine in the background, but I don't recall one specifically devoted to this machine. However Glenn still hasn't posted his pics yet.

*****Post# 22710-10/5/2002-06:13 ||| Bill-mo (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
My name is Bill and I am near Springfield, MO. Have enjoyed vintage washers/dryers/dishwashers for all of my life. Don't have a collection like the other members, but enjoy viewing the pics/movies that have been offered here. Got tired of lurking around on the website and thought I would introduce myself.

Saw this on eBay this morning, thought I would share it with everyone. Thought that some of you would be interested in a 1950 ABC-O-Matic Washing Machine GuideBook.

LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=720979661

*****Post# 22711-10/5/2002-07:41 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome to the club Bill!)
MESSAGE: Hello Bill,
I went to college for awhile in Springfield. That was quite awhile back, and I am sure that things have changed there.
I have heard several people say that Mo. was a state where Frigidaire was very popular. I also remember many Frigidaire washers and dryers in the dorms where I lived the first semester. Do venture out to used appliance places and find this to be true? Or at estate sales?
You could be a point of contact for us if you can find vintage Frigidaire washers and dryers, and such. I am sure that we would make it worth your while.
Again Welcome!
Brent

*****Post# 22712-10/5/2002-09:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome to the club Bill!)
MESSAGE: Hi and welcome to the club!

If you have any interest in collecting vintage appliances, you are in a prime locale to have some great success. I talked to an appliance repair shop there in Springfield once that told me in that area used be a very big GM Frigidaire distributor. With your proximity to St. Louis, Lake of the Ozarks and so many resort towns, you should have good luck! My parents lived in Mountain Home, AR and there was an appliance store there that has a turquoise Maytag washer and dryer and as you probably know, there are junkyards scattered all over!

Best of luck and welcome again!

*****Post# 22713-10/5/2002-09:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Well hi Bill, welcome to the club, glad you found us and joined in!

*****Post# 22714-10/5/2002-10:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member ((Welcome to the club Bill))
MESSAGE: Welcome Bill. Glad to know there's another guy out there who has been a lifelong crazy about washers, dryers, and dishwashers. And someone from Missouri, prime Frigidaire country!!!

*****Post# 22715-10/5/2002-14:47 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome, Bill. I've only joined a few weeks ago myself. This is a dream site come true for me. Like you, I've been a washer fan ever since I was a little boy. Didn't realize there were so many others like me out there. The photos and links here are terrific and the other members are always helpful in answering my endless questions. Of course I'm extremely jealous of some of these guys collections. I wish I had a basement so I could collect a few machines myself. My second favorite vintage appliances are window unit air conditioners especially from the 50's and 60's. Those are the decades I think washers were the most fun and interesting too.
Les

*****Post# 22716-10/5/2002-14:59 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome to Applianceville)
MESSAGE: I like to welcome you with an open lid and great agitational hand shake that you will find this club enjoyable and fastinating!

Welcome to the group!

*****Post# 22717-10/5/2002-15:13 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: Thank You to Everyone
MESSAGE: My thanks to everyone that has welcomed me to the club. Thought I would also give some childhood background as to my favourite machines. My grandmother (on my father's side) had a Maytag with the water switch in the lid and the clutch that made the awful sound. My grandma (on my mother's side) had the Bendix Economat until lightning hit it and had to have it replaced back in the 70's. Neighbors growing up had a Frigidaire that I would make every excuse in the world to go over and play with their machine. My mom started out with GE (still liked the Mini-Basket system, wish they had never done away with it), then got a Kelvinator with the pop-up unbalancer with the window in the lid, then got Maytag which she still uses. Keep telling Mom that she needs an FL, but she argues that you can't open the machine once it's running (not wise to argue with Mom). I wish I knew the model numbers for reference points.

So far, as to the pics and videos on the various sites, I have compiled at least 3 maybe 4 cd's which I have burned the pics/videos onto. I figure that way I can watch them anytime I want and can share them with Mom too.

Also growing up, I grew up in Neosho MO, there was a GE distributor that had a large assortment of appliances in the back of the building. My father would take me there once in a while to get a washer to bring home and take apart. I should have known back then that I should have gotten into washer/dryer repair, but I didn't. Now, I regret it! :-(

*****Post# 22720-10/5/2002-17:09 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Bill, I too am a relative new comer. The other members not only have been welcoming, but don't seem to snicker at my pedantic questions! I love the POD have joined the sandbox and feel very comfortable now that I have decided to come out (of the laundry room!).
Good luck hope you'll enjoy it.
Tom

*****Post# 22721-10/5/2002-19:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thank You to Everyone
MESSAGE: Bill-Mo, thanks for giving us some background on ya. I'd look at your profile and there wasn't anything there. Too bad ya didn't get into the repair business, a couple of our members have tha as their livlihood. Thanks again for the background, I was gonna post and ask you what got you fascinated in the first place. BTW, what about dishwashers, you mentioned those too.

*****Post# 22722-10/5/2002-21:28 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Watching my Kenmore front loader with the glass window onthe door is far better than most T.V. shows. Someone needs to tell Maytag that they need to add a glass window to their frontloading neptune machines.

*****Post# 22724-10/5/2002-23:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Onwers Manual of the Month
MESSAGE: Hello out there in Applianceville, if you look on the home page, there is a new feature called "Owners Manual of the Month". As long as I can keep up and the scanner doesn't break, there will be a new owners manual every month to read and enjoy. Check it out from the home page.

*****Post# 22725-10/6/2002-08:16 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month
MESSAGE: Robert, What a great idea. The guys and I love to read the manuals, as they are so informative on how an appliance is really supposed to work. Thanks for the wonderful idea!

*****Post# 22726-10/6/2002-09:24 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month (omom)
MESSAGE: What a great idea. I have been known to order owners manuals before appliance purchase just to see how the unit is really going to work. Don't have much to offer but I will keep my eyes open for old manuals for you.
Tom

*****Post# 22730-10/6/2002-12:09 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: Tide's Vintage Packaging
MESSAGE: I was at Wal-Mart yesterday and noticed that on the large powdered Tide (80 uses) that it was a vintage box. The more faded out color packaging with Tide the wash day miracle logo. It was really sharp looking, and of course ended up in my cart!

*****Post# 22731-10/6/2002-14:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (i agree)
MESSAGE: I just sent an e-mail to Maytag about the neptune washer door. I said that it should be "optional to have a window door." Maybe they will fall for it.

*****Post# 22732-10/6/2002-17:12 ||| junior (fairmont)
SUBJECT: favorite antique range
MESSAGE: I have an old favorite range that was my great grandmothers.
can any one tell me anything about it and if it is worth anything
Thank You

*****Post# 22735-10/6/2002-17:28 ||| joesplace (col,oh)
SUBJECT: WORKING @ APPLIANCE RECYCLE CENTER
MESSAGE: HELLO
IM WORKING AT A APPLIANCE RECYCLE CENTER @HAVE ACESS /AQUIRED /ALOT OF ANTIQUE APPLIANCES =HOW EVER I DONT KNOW WHO TO CONTACT OR WHAT 2 DO W/ THEMIM SURE THERES ALOT OF COLLECTORS BUT HOW DO I CONTACT THEM OR WHO= ANY & ALL HELP GREATLY APPRECIATED
E-MAIL=Y.GROVE@WORLDNET.ATT.NET

*****Post# 22736-10/6/2002-18:18 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: GM Frigidaire Questions
MESSAGE: When did the good old days of GM Frigidaire stop? Why did it stop?

*****Post# 22738-10/6/2002-18:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (i agree)
MESSAGE: Yes Gregm and Lesto, I couldn't agree more. But I've argued with Maytag until I'm blue in the face. The answer is a repeated no, will never be under consideration.

*****Post# 22739-10/6/2002-18:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: New pics added
MESSAGE: I have added pics of my WP portable DW to my photo albums, and there is also a new album for the new washers I got last week at my laundromat. Enjoy!

*****Post# 22742-10/6/2002-19:44 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added (New pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete
Real cool DW - does the upper spray get in the way of loading and unloading? Is this a 60's model?
Peter

*****Post# 22743-10/6/2002-19:46 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 “Query”
MESSAGE: Hi everybody. It’s been a while.
Found and purchased a 1978 1-18 (WCIG) at a suburban Detroit Salvation Army store a couple of weeks ago. It look like it can be restored to almost new looking status after the body is refinished. The porcelain top looks like new after almost twenty-five years. The spin cycle seemed fine at the store, but I haven’t yet run it with water to check out the agitation. I’ve taken it apart since getting it home, and I’m trying to decide whether to take it to a professional for painting. I don’t think a spray can paint job would do it justice. Any advice on refinishing? Bump/collision shop perhaps?
Also, on a related subject just a week or so later I found a 1977 WC6 at another appliance store and bought it thinking it would at least be good for parts. The belt was missing and when turning the tub there was a bit of a squeal when turning it in either direction. I bought it anyway. Does this mean there is a main part or bearing worn out? Or is it irrelevant and a reflection of the missing belt? Any thoughts? I’ll get a new belt, put it all back together and see what happens.
Does anyone have a copy from the repair manual for belt replacement or the agitate arm adjustment procedure? I'm assuming they will both at least need that done. I had a copy from my gold 1-18 pair, but can’t seem to find it.
Help or advice would be appreciated.
Ken

*****Post# 22744-10/6/2002-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Madam, did you ever think of drinking the rinse water from your washing machine?
MESSAGE: Two new commercials added from Bendixman-Bruce's collection tonight in our video library. One for Dash and one for Wisk, see how long it takes you to figure out the brand of that wonderful vintage agitating top loader in the Wisk commercial.

*****Post# 22745-10/6/2002-23:04 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: WORKING @ APPLIANCE RECYCLE CENTER
MESSAGE: Joe
Check out the classified ad sections on this club's home page. They will give you an idea of some of the things folks are searching for, as well as some of the things being offered for sale.

*****Post# 22748-10/7/2002-00:05 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: GM Frigidaire Questions ("
black friday"
)
MESSAGE: On April 1st,1979,General Motors slammed the car door on Frigidaire.They kept the factories on Taylor street in Dayton,Ohio and Sold the name and copyrights to White Consolidated Industries for a Fraction of an amount they were worth.WCI consisted of White Westinghouse,Gibson,Kelvinator,Hamilton,Franklin,Eureka,Philco and Vista.Of all the brands out back then,they(WCI) were the least dependable and had so many problems that for the next 17 years,Frigidaire went from a well known and liked household name to a verry much hated word on the appliance sales floor where the name "FRIGI-SCARE"was used for years as well as "WESTINGLOUSE","Jipson"and "KELVINLATER".Even now,their products aren't that keen on dependability but they have improved since being bought out by Electrolux of Sweeden(not affiliated with Electrolux vaccuum cleaner company of America)who own abought 85% of the appliance brands in Europe and Asia.

I need some advice about dismantling a Kleenmaid washing machine, which is made by Speed Queen. It is a modern unit so I will take this to the sandbox. Anyone with knowledge about Speed Queen washers of about ten years age, could you please take a look.
Thanks
Chris
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/555

I'll make a couple of copies for you today and put them in with your parts info I still (!) need to mail out to you. There are some parts that are subject to wear and might need replacement in the agitate arm, just like mine...

*****Post# 22753-10/7/2002-08:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Madam, did you ever think of drinking the rinse water from your washing machine?
MESSAGE: Absolutely wonderful - thanks for posting those great additions to our library and thanks again Bendixman for submitting those great commercials!

Oh, that washer in the Wisk commercial has been a POD a few times - how fun to see it running, Jimmy (filterflow) will like that a whole bunch too!

*****Post# 22754-10/7/2002-08:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kleenmaid (Speed Queen) question
MESSAGE: I'll check my book later today when I get home from work - I should have what you need.

*****Post# 22755-10/7/2002-08:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - the DW looks like a lot of fun - what year is that?

The 'mat looks great with all the new machines - and the banners too. There were no pics of the GE top loaders?

*****Post# 22756-10/7/2002-08:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added
MESSAGE: That is Benita the Terror. She's always in the middle of whatever I am doing. She's only 1.5 years old, so she terrorizes the other 4 cats in the house who are 10+ years old now (Sylvia, Luke, Boscoe and Babs).

*****Post# 22757-10/7/2002-08:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added (New pics)
MESSAGE: I don't have any idea of the age. The upper arm really doesn't get in the way, providing that I put it in the right position. Loading with the rolling upper racks is much more a pain!

-ph

*****Post# 22758-10/7/2002-09:54 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Mislabeled Controls on Frigi Dryer
MESSAGE: A question, gentlemen: My Frigidaire dryer's main control is mislabeled. The cycles are labeled Whites and Colors (something I've never quite understood; what was wrong with Regular and Permanent Press?!). Anyway, the cycle with the Press Saver feature is labeled WHITES, and the regular auto-control cycle is labeled COLORS. Obviously wrong. I went to the local Frigidaire dealer and looked at other dryers. All those were labeled correctly.

My question: Will this increase its value as a collector's item----in about 25 years, of course? Is this the sort of thing you guys look for?

*****Post# 22764-10/7/2002-12:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Madam, did you ever think of drinking the rinse water from your washing machine? (What is it?)
MESSAGE: Greg, are you implying that the washer is a GE filter flo? If so, they must have removed the filter. It sure has an odd control panel, with buttons and levers and dials. I can't quite make out the logo, but it's something long. My first guess was Kelvinator, but it could also be General Electric, cause it looks like there's a crossed T near the end of the logo.

Of course, I don't know of any washer that came with a microscope inside it.

*****Post# 22765-10/7/2002-12:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added
MESSAGE: Very nice pictures Peter! Those are good dishwashers. On second look I see it is an "RCA Whirlpool" (as opposed to just plain Whirlpool) so it was made in 1967 or earlier, my guess would probably be mid 60s, and maybe Leslie will know.

I enjoyed the pictures of the laundromat. I especially like those blue triple load machines, they remind of vintage laundromats! That is a shame about your television set.

*****Post# 22766-10/7/2002-12:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Madam, did you ever think of drinking the rinse water from your washing machine? (Wisk washer)
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken, it is a Philco.

*****Post# 22767-10/7/2002-12:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added (cycles(mine has no buttons))
MESSAGE: Peter, I think yours maybe a year or two older than the one I just acquired. Mine however has no buttons and just a knob in the back center (like yours) that has two cycles for super and short wash.........I think mine is a 1970. -gregm

*****Post# 22769-10/7/2002-15:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added (mid-to-late 60's)
MESSAGE: I kinda thought it was a 1960's model. It runs great with the new timer, altho' the first rinse after the main wash seems to be an increment short. It goes straight into draining after filling. The machine is pretty loud, but most of it is the whiny motor -- like it needs a new bearing in there. There's a touch of rust around the dispenser triggers on the outside of the tub, but other than that, it is a clean machine!

-ph

*****Post# 22770-10/7/2002-15:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New pics added (super TEAL)
MESSAGE: The colors don't translate well on different monitors, but the triples are teal, a very strong teal! The thing about getting the machines in different colors is that I can tell people what color machine to use, rather than a "use the 55 pounder". Telling customers to aim for certain colors is much simpler to understand.

*****Post# 22772-10/7/2002-18:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers!
MESSAGE: I know this is kind of off topic but you don't see this everyday. 250 80's Maytag dryers. (I would have posted in the sandbox but it won't let me get a membership.)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2059119144

*****Post# 22773-10/7/2002-19:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Madam, did you ever think of drinking the rinse water from your washing machine? (What is it?)
MESSAGE: The microscope was an option...

*****Post# 22775-10/7/2002-19:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers!
MESSAGE: How odd. They all look like nearly the same model - bottom of the regular line for it's day and some of the "match-all" models too (with the black, gray & red on panel) just for fun. It will be interesting to see if they get a bid for these - they must have come out of an apartment complex.

Yahoo must not have let you join a group unless you are of legal age?

*****Post# 22776-10/7/2002-20:31 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers! (Gansky1 you should get them!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jamie for the post. That is wild!
Greg I know that you don't have room for them in your garage, but what about your back yard?
Brent

*****Post# 22777-10/7/2002-21:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers! (Gansky1 you should get them!)
MESSAGE: He has a very nice, LARGE multi-level backyard, Brent! They would probably fit quite handily! What conversation pieces these would make! ;-)

*****Post# 22780-10/7/2002-22:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers! (Gansky1 you should get them!)
MESSAGE: Nebraska already has one 'henge' - an exact replica of Stonehenge in England, but created in a field in western Nebraska from vintage American cars.

I could do this with dryers, and 250 of them would be a good start!
LINK: http://www.carhenge.com/

*****Post# 22781-10/7/2002-22:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers! (Gansky1 you should get them!)
MESSAGE: ...or you could build a walkway across the freeway and charge admission for the display! ;-)

*****Post# 22782-10/8/2002-00:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot of 250 Maytag dryers!
MESSAGE: And the video is interesting - even back in the 80's Maytag dryers were noisy!

*****Post# 22784-10/8/2002-00:42 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: No, it's not back on the market. . .
MESSAGE: . . .but I DID send an Email to Redox, the company that brought back Oxydol and BIZ, to consider the possibility. :)
LINK: http://writersbbs.com/members/joeekaitis/tabs.jpg

*****Post# 22786-10/8/2002-06:39 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month (Very Cool! Thanks Robert! Questions about washer.)
MESSAGE: I just got around to reading the Blackstone Manual on the Manual of the Month section. I thought that it was so interesting!
I have two questions. While reading, I noticed that the machine only became "automatic" after the first fill. Was the version that Jon and John have the same? Or was the first fill automatic on the latter version?
That is such a cool looking machine.
Why did Blackstone pull out of the washer market? I know that Consumer Reports liked the washers that they offered.
Brent

*****Post# 22787-10/8/2002-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month (Very Cool! Thanks Robert! Questions about washer.)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I'm not sure about your first question, but I seem to remember that you had to fill the wash tub manually for the first fill on all their models until the big redesign of the late 50's. Blackstone was in the washer market until the mid 70's.

*****Post# 22788-10/8/2002-07:48 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month (Was first fill Manual to dissolve wash soaps?)
MESSAGE: That answers my questions. Thanks!
Was there a reason for the manual first fill? I was thinking it was because of the soaps back then needing to disolve, and get "heaping suds" before adding clothing.
My mom still waited for her "automatic" to fill and add detergent before she would put in her clothes because of the first soaps that she used in the 50's needed this, and even suggested it in the directions. She laughed and said that she finally quit doing that about 2 years ago, having a hard time letting go of that habit. We used to argue about her method of washing when I was a teenager.
It was fun when I was home last month and my mom and I would talk about washers. She could remember so much about automatics when they first came out, and who had what type of machine, what type of wash action each brand had, etc. It was very funny when I would go in her laundry room to wash my clothes this past trip, and she would follow me to "See what I was doing." Brought back memories, and feelings. No arguments this time. I guess I am growing up!
Brent

*****Post# 22789-10/8/2002-09:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: GE POD
MESSAGE: I have the dryer to today's POD! I have seen other dryers from that model line here in the States, but have never seen one like mine with the GE logo on the front. Beautiful machine!

*****Post# 22791-10/8/2002-10:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD (Canadian GE)
MESSAGE: Great POD. I'd love to see a close-up of the controls and the inside. I think this Canadian model is more beautiful then the U.S. GE's from that era.

*****Post# 22792-10/8/2002-15:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD
MESSAGE: It looks a lot like the washer our neighbours had. When I saw your dryer it looked familiar to me. Now I see this picture, I'm sure they must have had the matching washer to your dryer. It still puzzles me though how that washer came to the Netherlands.

I just checked out the the photo album with pictures of your laundromat in it.

Question #1:

Do you use front loaders exclusively??? Or do you have some top loaders hooked up in your laundromat as well????

Question #2:

The front loaders I did see in those pictures........ who makes them???? I don't believe I have seen them before. Those don't happen to be Wascomats, are they???? And are those the "new" washers you or Louis is referring to???

Question #3:

Those aren't ADC dryers that you are using too, are they??? The reason I am asking about those dryers in particular is because those look like the same dryers that have been recently installed in my neighborhood laundromat about a year ago.

--Charles--

*****Post# 22794-10/8/2002-19:05 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Westy Washer Buy it for $49.00!
MESSAGE: I found this on ebay and if anyone wants to buy it, it is yours!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2060742238

*****Post# 22795-10/8/2002-19:08 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Coin-op Laundry's
MESSAGE: Does anyone know about what year the frist self service laundry went into service? and who made the first coin-op automatic washer? Thank's

*****Post# 22796-10/8/2002-20:57 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Beginning My Collection
MESSAGE: Hi there. I live in a condo and was only able to make space in my garage on one wall for 4 maybe 5 washers. I have plastered and painted the area. Before the week is over, the electrician will install outlets and additional lighting and plumber will intstall plumbing lines. I was able to locate a 1947 Bendix front loader and a 1950's Maytag wringer washer. They should arrive here in two weeks. I cant wait to start doing laundry in my "new" machines.

*****Post# 22797-10/8/2002-21:00 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Jet Cone
MESSAGE: I was able to locate a Frigidaire Jet Cone at appliance graveyard here in southern California but it was outside, full of dirt and sand and missing parts. The cabinet is a reddish brown. I will call and find out if they can make it work as I do not know how to fix these machines.

*****Post# 22798-10/8/2002-21:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Jet Cone
MESSAGE: That is great that you were able to arrange some space to have a collection! Enjoy your new machines! It is amazing how many of those Bendix machines there seem to be floating about...they must have sold quite well.

Scott

*****Post# 22799-10/8/2002-22:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Onwers Manual of the Month (Was first fill Manual to dissolve wash soaps?)
MESSAGE: Brent, I used to argue with my mom about her method of washing when I was a teenager too.

*****Post# 22801-10/9/2002-08:38 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: Picture of the day.
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what year the Kenmore in the picture of the day came out?? My mother had this machine and I do remember that it had an ultra violet light inside that was on during the whole cycle to kill those nasty germs and I also remember that it had a signal ending bell which rang 12 or 13 times (strange things to remember). I also remember that this machine didn't last too long, the gears got stripped because when it didn't want to spin and Sears was called to repair it they told my mom that she did too much laundry (5 kids & 3 adults). The only thing that lasted was the Bendix.

*****Post# 22802-10/9/2002-08:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the day.
MESSAGE: It looks the the 57 Lady Kenmore that one of you guys recently restored. Was the cyclafabric model similar to the early "Lady's"? The timer control knob looks exactly like the one on the 57 lady.

*****Post# 22803-10/9/2002-08:43 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the day. (Picture of the day)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,
I think this is a 56 or 57
they first started making the lid open to the left in 56
Peter

*****Post# 22804-10/9/2002-09:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD (Coin Laundry Answers...)
MESSAGE: 1) There are 6 GE toploaders in the last row of the store. I didn't get a pic of them; I was too excited about the new washers! I myself use the frontloaders exclusively for my own wash and for drop-off service. The only time I use the toploaders is to do an "enzyme soak" for customers who, shall we say, have poor hygiene habits.

2) All my frontloaders are Wascomat. The Generation 5 models have square doors. These are all my doubleloaders. The brand new Generation 6 machines have round doors.

3) For many years, Wascomat sold ADC dryers with the "WascoDry" label on them. The stacked dryers are model 530's, an ADC dryer made to Wascomat specs -- radial air flow thru the perforated drum, 105,000 BTU and 550 cfm per pocket. The single WDG-50 dryers burn twice as much gas and suck twice as much air! Wascomat started making their own dryers early last year, so ADC stopped making the 530's, but they can be special ordered if wanted.

-ph

*****Post# 22805-10/9/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the day. (Picture of the day)
MESSAGE: It's a 1957 model, Pete Kenmore started the left opening lid with the '57 models as well as other major changes too from that year. Lesto, it sounds like you mom had the unfortunate experience of a lazy or inexperienced repairman.

*****Post# 22806-10/9/2002-09:09 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin-op Laundry's
MESSAGE: The first coin-op was probably opened in the very late 1940's, and was probably outfitted with Bendix machines. I believe that in the first self-serves, you paid an attendant to start the machines for you.

-ph

*****Post# 22807-10/9/2002-10:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin-op Laundry's (from another message board)
MESSAGE: I take no credit for this info... I copied it from the message board at Coinwash.com

J.F. Cantrell opened the first "washateria" on April 18, 1934 in Fort Worth, Texas. It had only 4 machines.

However, Bendix Appliances invented the automatic washing machine in 1937. (So what were those 4 machines -- wringer washers?) [ PLEASE NOTE: I POSTED A CORRECTION THAT BENDIX INVENTED THE AUTOMATIC WASHER IN 1932. -ph]

Early laundries were open specific hours, and since they did not necessarily feature coin-operated machines, there was always an attendant on duty. Some even required that you make and appointment!

The word "Laundromat" was registered as a trademark by Westinghouse Electric, a subsidiary of White Consolidated Industries on Oct. 1, 1947. Westinghouse listed the word as first being used in commerce on Oct. 26, 1940, and renewed the trademark in 1988. (So if you have the word "Laundromat" in your signage, BEWARE!!!!!!!!)

The first unattended, 24-hour self-service laundry in the U.S. was opened by Nelson Pruett in 1949 on North Loop in Austin, Texas approximately where the present day "Room Service" is located (as of April 18, 1997).

According to the March 1950 issue of "Nation's Business", there were an estimated 4,000 self-serve laundries nation wide at that time.

*****Post# 22808-10/9/2002-12:27 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the day. (To Bendixman........)
MESSAGE: Coming from a Kenmore fan such as myself, I will have to back "Uni" when it comes to describing today's POD.

The Kenmore that you see in today's POD is a 1957 model. From 1957 right up until today, the Kenmores have always positioned their lids to open toward the left. The 1969 Lady Kenmore and the 1969 Kenmore Model 900 (which was the model that was under the Lady Kenmore that year, and like the 1969 Lady Kenmore, the Model 900 was too a push button model) also had lids that can be reversed and be made to open toward the right like the Philcos used to do. But all in all, from 1957 on to today, Kenmores have always opened toward the left. Only today's Kenmore Elites open toward the back the same way the pre 1957 Kenmores used to do.

And about that Sears repairman who told your mother that she did too much laundry??? It seem to me that he was kind of lazy too, or he didn't know what the hell he was doing???? A lot of Kenmores that were made during that era tended to last 25 years or more. And I know most of the ones that were in my family lasted at least that long (as I should know..... since I came from a Kenmore family). So, it may be possible that your mother's machine may have been a lemon as well. It happens sometimes.

--Charles--

*****Post# 22809-10/9/2002-12:53 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Picture of The Day/Kenmores
MESSAGE: What year did Kenmore start using the large, colored, toggle-like pushbuttons for automatic cycle selection? I had the privilege of finding an UNUSED (yes, unused) 1959 Lady Kenmore with said buttons. It also had a reservoir for softener in the console and a self-cleaning lint filter which made a 'marbles-in-a-jar' sound as soon as draining began. Did the '58's have a cycle dial or the pushbuttons?

My parents had a 1960 Model 80 with the same pushbuttons, without the softener reservoir or self-cleaning filter.

*****Post# 22810-10/9/2002-13:12 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: Hotpoints & Kenmores
MESSAGE: When did Kenmore start using the Vari-Flex agitator and then stop using them? I thought they were a great idea, don't remember if they were the lift-off kind like the Hotpoint/JC Penney's were.

Also, didn't Hotpoint make a Mini-Basket system similar to the GE one? I remember seeing advertisement pics for one, but had never seen one in real life. If anyone has a pic of the Hotpoint version, I would sure appreciate it.

Bill

*****Post# 22811-10/9/2002-13:16 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the day. (Picture of the day)
MESSAGE: That wasn't my Mom who had the 57 Kenmore with the bad transmission. That was Bendixman. My Mom had 55 TOL Hotpoint.

*****Post# 22812-10/9/2002-15:07 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Kenmores/Yet Another Westy Question
MESSAGE: We had a 1960 Kenmore set when I was a kid which were handed down to me in 1983. I used them for another 4 or 5 years before the transmission finally went ka-blooey. They were absolute workhorses. Granted, they saw the repairman a few times, but overall I'd have to give them high marks for endurance.

We seem to be full of questions today! I have another one to add to the list: When did Westinghouse start selling top loaders? I notice the vintage Consumer Reports articles only ever speak of the Westy front-loaders. I recall seeing a Westy top loader in 1965 or '66 at a friend's house. It seemed to have a fast agitation speed, ala GE.

By the way, thanks to all of you fonts of information who take the time to answer these questions!

*****Post# 22813-10/9/2002-15:44 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Beginning My Collection
MESSAGE: Hi Ross
Congratulations on the start of your new collection! I live in Orange County and know what a challenge it is to collect large things like major appliances in these parts since we don't have basements. I hope you can take some pictures to share. I would consider doing the same thing with our garage, except we have too many cars right now to give up the space.
Rich

*****Post# 22814-10/9/2002-16:09 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: SPEAKING OF KENMORES!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! I'm back! Had a funny thing happen in West Virginia. Called Sears to come check my He3t's because the washer was dispensing bleach in the first rinse after it had drained and spun out the wash water! The dryer wasn't drying like I thought it should either. When the repairman arrived, it was the first set of this kind he had ever seen (even though he said he had seen them in pictures) and had absolutely NO idea of what to do with, or to them! After 4 and a half hours of sitting and watching it wash, and a pot of coffee, he called the God of Kenmores, in who knows where and we found out it was supposed to dispense the bleach in the 1st rinse. (This seems just so strange to me) He also had absolutely no explanation why the dryer wasn't drying properly except the old "not installed propperly" excuse. I then relayed to him that the Sears delivery/installers (for $55) had installed both machines. Finally he left, and I unhooked both machines and found crumpled cardboard in the dryer vent opening comming out of the machine. I should have watched these guys much more carefully but had lots going on the day when the machines arrived. I put my 59 Frigidaire back in it's place with a 1974 GE Americana Electronic Dryer. Finally, clean, dry clothes again.
I have been grabbing lots of the Lady Kenmore washers and dryers with the hoods that close over the control panels. When raised, the flourescent light comes on, and lights up the controls. The washer's have the pentaswirl agitators and and laundry aid dispensors and the Dryers are the full electronic models. They are all restored mechanically. I don't collect Kenmores but hated for them to go to the crusher when they really are wonderful machines for those that collect these. If anyone is interested, I would love to get rid of a few of these so I can make room for a few more Maytags that I DO collect. I can send pictures, just ask. It's great to be back! And again, "HELLO" to everyone!

*****Post# 22815-10/9/2002-16:20 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: appl. recycle CNTR
MESSAGE: Hi! Would love to get any of the of the washers & dryers with lighted controls, or any solid tub washers and dryers. I can get them shipped to me without a problem. Thanks! Mark

*****Post# 22816-10/9/2002-16:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES!
MESSAGE: I bought a new KENMORE front loader in October of 2000 and like you, freaked out when I discovered the machine dispenses liquid bleach in the first rinse rather then during the wash cycle. I think this is a very poor design and when I want to bleach my "tighty whities" out I've started adding the Clorax to the detergent dispenser about halfway through the wash cycle. That way the liquid bleach pours right into the tub full of soapy wash water. Who wants bleach in their rinse water? I certainly don't.

I take it that with all the questions about vintage Kenmores and so forth, I take it that you are a Kenmore fan just like I am. So, I will attempt to answer all of your questions as accurately as I possibly can. I have the Sears catalogs to the years (with exception of maybe a 1959, like the one you are talking about..... but I do have a 1960 Sears catalog, and it does have the same Lady Kenmore washer like the one you are talking about) you are talking about. So now, with that said then, here goes.

(01). The first Lady Kenmore to have a push button control panel was introduced in 1959 (the last one being 1975, and that one would be the model that has a concealed control panel (with them making the first one of that style in 1969)).

(02). The 1958 Lady Kenmore used dials instead of push buttons, as did the 1957 model (which was the VERY first ever Lady Kenmore) that has preceeded it (I do have a 1958 Sears catalog to confirm this).

(03). Along with the 1960 Lady Kenmore that I told you about (in which both the 1959 and 1960 were identically the same machine, except the 1960 model had detergent, bleach and fabric softener dispensers. There is a 1959 model pictured here on this website somewhere, and if I could recall correctly, I don't remember seeing a detergent dispenser sitting on the the top of the 1959 Lady Kenmore beside the lid, in which there was one on the 1960 model. But then again, maybe the 1959 model did have the bleach and fabric softener dispensers...... who knows), the Model 80 that you have mentioned is also in that same catalog, as it was the #2 model under the Lady Kenmore that year (the Sears S/S 1960 Catalog). So, I am familiar with that model as well.

--Charles--

*****Post# 22818-10/9/2002-16:41 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD (Coin Laundry Answers...)
MESSAGE: What year are your top loading GE's? Are they recent models or vintage ones with the filter flo pans? There used to be a laundromat near our house that had aqua coin-op GE's with the filter flo function. Also, what part of Atlanta is your laundry?

*****Post# 22819-10/9/2002-16:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES! (HE3(t) bleach)
MESSAGE: Yes, the HE3(t), and probably the Duet(HT) as well, dispense bleach into the first rinse. Chlorine bleach is supposed to be delayed until the last few minutes into the wash so as to not counteract detergent enzymes. I suppose since front-loaders dispense by flushing water through the dispenser compartments, the engineers decided to have bleach go into the first rinse instead of adding more water to the wash. With multiple rinses in a front-loader, is there any more bleach odor remaining than there is with a top-loader that only rinses once? -- just wondering.

The first time Kenmore started using the "Vari-Flex" agitator in their washers was 1966. It was used first in the 1966 Kenmore Model 900 (which was the #2 model under the 1966 Lady Kenmore, and was push button model just like the 1966 Lady Kenmore. In fact, they had exactly the same control panel, except that the Model 900 was a two speed model, and the Lady was a three speed model). Strangely enough, the 1966 Lady Kenmore was still using the skirtless "Roto-Flex" that year, and to me, it looked like that the "Vari-Flex" was the better agitator. The "Vari-Flex" has finally started appearing in the "Femininely Engineered" 1968 Lady Kenmore, and then they stopped using it in 1974 and switched over to the "Penta-Swirl" agitator. It did not lift off like the Hotpoint/JC Penny versions did.

*****Post# 22822-10/9/2002-17:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoints & Kenmores
MESSAGE: Hotpoint did have a "mini basket" type of attachment to use for "dual tub" washing - a small load in the basket and another in the regular washtub below it. I don't think I have a picture, but perhaps someone has a print ad for them somewhere.

*****Post# 22823-10/9/2002-17:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES! (Nope)
MESSAGE: I can't smell any bleach when I run it through my Frigemore. It bleaches on the first rinse and then drains and spins. The next 3 rinses take care of the smell and the suds.

I have a 1966 CR report on washers, the Westinghouse top-loader used a whopping 57 gallons of water for a normal cycle. It was rated 'better than most' for washability, had color coded markings on the tub wall for water level settings (a good idea!) and a pesky lid lock that CR seemed to like for safety reasons.

*****Post# 22826-10/9/2002-17:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoints & Kenmores
MESSAGE: That was interesting to learn. I had no idea the variflex went back that far. I had thought it was more a 70s thing. So then, none of the big button Lady Ks had the Roto Swirl, I'm guessing. Jon L's Lady K has a Whirlpool Surgilator in it, so I am not sure what that originally had.

Then more than likely, John's early 1970's Lady Kenmore originally had a "Vari-Flex" agitator inside of it before he finally took it out and replaced it with a "Whirlpool Surgilator". I'm more than willing to bet that was what was inside of his (meaning John's) Lady K before he changed agitators.

Ask him the next time you see him (or when he writes...... one of the two).

As far as I can remember, only the 1957 through 1964 Lady Kenmores had "Roto-Swril" agitators. The 1965 through 1967 Lady Kenmores (and the 1966 and 1967 Lady Kenmores would be one of the "big button" machines you are talking about) had "Roto-Flex" (skirtless) agitators. And the 1968 through 1973 Lady Kenmores had the "Vari-Flex" agitator. They finally done away with the "Vari-Flex" at the end of 1973 and switched over to a "Penta-Swril" agitator in 1974 and introduced it in the 1974 and 1975 Lady Kenmores (the last of the "big button" models) in what I saw was a cost cutting move.

And all of this is before they finally introduced the "Dual-Action" agitator in 1976, and then equipped the 1976 Lady Kenmore with it.

I finally have a few free hours to put my WO-65 back together. The old nut and seal assembly was completely deteriorated. I have a brand new #5876864 kit. The problem I am having is with step #5 in the instructions. It says to place the new brass ring #5436233 on top of the seal with the STEPPED FACE DOWN. Then I am to put the bushing in the ring. By doing it this way though, the bushing sits slightly ABOVE the ring. If I turn the ring over, the bushing fits snugly into the ring. I know I should follow the directions, but engineers are notorious for throwing instructions out the window! I know you guys are the rebuild experts. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rich

*****Post# 22831-10/9/2002-19:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES!
MESSAGE: what in the world could they have been thinking??? Mark

*****Post# 22833-10/9/2002-19:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmores/Yet Another Westy Question (Westy Top Load Washer)
MESSAGE: My grandmother had one of these, and it was a GREAT washer! Lasted until the mid 80's when the clutch went out. I would love to have one now....it even had a toggle switch that when turned on, had a red indicator light, and offered an extra spray rinse in the final spin! Also had a swirl agitator that was a lot of fun to watch on a small or medium load. Threw clothes AND water up almost to the top of the lid!!! Mark

*****Post# 22834-10/9/2002-19:54 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES! (HE3(t) bleach)
MESSAGE: They need to redesign the heating elements then, because dishwashers have heating elememts on when washing and Cascade has LOTS of chlorine in it....or certain ones do anyway. Mark

*****Post# 22835-10/9/2002-19:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmores/Yet Another Westy Question (Westy Top Load Washer)
MESSAGE: It only locked durring the spin portion, of course at a very young age I had jimmied it to work with the lid open. This washer was rated at about 12 pounds but held as much as the 18 pound Norges. Lots of capacity. Mark

*****Post# 22836-10/9/2002-20:25 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES! (HE3(t) bleach)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark,
I hope you are doing well. Yes I cannot understand why bleach is added in the 1st rinse. My sister has the GE FL for almost 3 years. It's the same as Fridgmore where bleach is added in 1st rinse. She complained her whites werent staying white. So now she starts wash and after it is washing a few minuntes open drawer and adds bleach with water to flush it. She is now happy with the way the whites come out. I do not understand why these machines aren't designed to add bleach later in wash cycle. The last 5 minutes would be sufficent.
Peter

*****Post# 22840-10/10/2002-07:34 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Kenmores/Westys
MESSAGE: Gansky-- One of my favorite features of the site is the section with Consumer Reports tests of washers. What are the chances you can get your '66 (...it was a very good year....) CR washer report onto the site?

*****Post# 22842-10/10/2002-07:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Kenmore 800 (Kenmore)
MESSAGE: If I ate pizza while watching an old Kenmore would you call it a "Whine and cheese" party?

*****Post# 22843-10/10/2002-08:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more photos
MESSAGE: I have uploaded some more photos of the Frigidaire WM11 in action.
I recently saw a round shouldered Frigidaire (Australian) fridge at the recycler, unfortunately I didn't have my camera that day. It had a gold coloured badge in the centre of the door, saying "Frigidaire, exclusively by General Motors".
The rear of the fridge said "Made in Australia by General Motors - Holdens". Ther was no sign of a Frigidaire crest so I assume it was even older than my washer. It was in fairly rough condition.
Chris
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.src=ph&.dnm=hot+wash.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWM11%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22844-10/10/2002-08:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Semi Auto
MESSAGE: On another visit to the recycler about a month ago I found this Whirlpool semi auto. It was in quite good clean condition, small amount of rust.
It has a fifteen minute clockwork timer, plus a set of buttons to select the action. There is no fill control - when you turn on the taps, it fills. If you forget to turn them off, it floods. These are still common appearances at the recycler - it appears they never wear out, but people get sick of using them and throw them out. I didn't adopt this one, I just photographed it there, it is probably scrapped by now.
Note if you can under the Whirlpool logo, the words "by Malleys". Malleys were the Australian company that made Whirlpool washers and other appliances, and sold them under the Malleys brand too. They eventually got swallowed by Email who in turn got swallowed by Electrolux.
Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/WP+semi+Auto&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWM11%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22845-10/10/2002-08:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD (Coin-op GE's)
MESSAGE: My GE's are 1994, some of the last 'old style' machines with Filter-Flo pans. There are alot of GE laundries in the ATL area. My 'mat is in Woodstock.

-ph

*****Post# 22846-10/10/2002-08:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: more pics
MESSAGE: I have added a few more pics to the current album, they are mixed in there in alphabetical order, the four new items added are a Kenmore Wringer Washer, Norge Time Line Dryer (not sure what year, maybe 1962?), Whirlpool Imperial Washer '59 and a Whirpool top-load DW '70............hope you like.........
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst?.dir=/More+apps/

*****Post# 22849-10/10/2002-08:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Her is my cat Monty, who is obsessed with water, checking out the F&P Gentle Annie washer being filled. (Water pressure is low, so I was using a hose to fill it).

If you want to, feel free to go back a step to "photo albums", then check out "cats and people" for more cat pix and a cat and husband pic. Lucky the black kitten (Millie's brother)is no longer with us, Millie is now 4 and step brother Monty now 3.
Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/cats+and+people&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWM11%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22851-10/10/2002-09:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Wow, thanks for the great pictures Chris. I'm glad to see your Pulsamatic is purrrrring away. And that Whirlpool, very cool, its so neat to see something that looks familair but is very different at the same time. I noticed that down there they still used the 4 row of holes at the bottom of tub much later than here in the US, Canadian Inglis machines were also made with the four rows, much later into the 60's.

*****Post# 22852-10/10/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin-op Laundry's (from another message board)
MESSAGE: The Gyromatic came out in the late 40's Peter, that was Bendix' first non-bolt down washer. I've seen those 1932 claims from Bendix too, but if you look at the patents they were not awared until around 1935 or 1936. The machine was not marketed until 1937, but they were probably placed in test homes in 1932. The Unimatic was in test homes in 1941, but it was not sold until '47. I suspect Bendix was stretching the truth a bit here.

*****Post# 22854-10/10/2002-09:47 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: '59 Kenmores/Westys
MESSAGE: Chasjr2--Thanks for the info on the Kenmores! No, the '59 Lady K. didn't have a detergent dispenser. I used to have a '59 Sears catalog----I found it under the cushion of an old couch in our Cub Scouts center when I was in 4th or 5th grade! Unfortunately, I lost track of it once I went to college.

*****Post# 22855-10/10/2002-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Much Older Than You Think!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures Greg. Your Norge Timeline dryer is much older than you realize. You've got yourself one of the very first Norge timeline dryers, congrats, probably around 1954.

Beautiful '56 Whirlpool too!

*****Post# 22856-10/10/2002-09:55 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
What is the alternative to 4 rows of holes in a Whirlpool?
Do the Inglises have a left-hinged lid? (as do all Aussie belt drive Whirlpools) Sorry, I forgot to take a photo of the lid open.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Aussie Whirlpools were taken from Inglis, rather than direct from Whirlpool in US. Just supposition, but it was a common arrangement with cars for example, with Pontiac Parisienne and Laurentian being assembled in Aus (RHD)and Ford sourcing some models for local assembly from Canada in the 1950's. Possibly a British Commonwealth thing???
Chris.

*****Post# 22857-10/10/2002-10:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, four rows went down to two rows in about '60 or '61, in the US, in both Whirlpool and Kenmore washer spin-baskets. Inglis lids were always hinged towards the back, just like US Whirlpools.

*****Post# 22858-10/10/2002-10:18 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Kenmore question for Unimatic
MESSAGE: In the 57 Lady which you so beautifully restored I was wondering exactly what the "suds" switch on the control panel was for? I also noticed on the main control there is a "suds" position prior to "fill" on the normal cycle? What were these for and was the one on the timer intended to interact with the separate suds switch?

Does this machine have a timed fill or does the timer remain stationary until the agitation starts like the later Kenmores did? Just curious because later models didn't have the word "fill" on the cycle panel. Also, how ling is the wash time on the 57 Lady? Most Kenmores after this model washed up to 14 minutes on the normal cycle but on the 53 model that Peter has the dial washes up to 20 minutes.

*****Post# 22859-10/10/2002-10:23 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Peter's 53 Kenmore
MESSAGE: I love the pics of this machine at your link. Seems like the only change Kenmore made to the 53 thru 55's is the background color of the timer. Yours has a bluish color and I've seen a similar model with a copper color although I think the copper one had a separate "custom fabric" cycle rather than just one long cycle like your 53.

My question is, on these machines does the timer move to the next position every 2 minutes like the later Kenmores or does it advance at 60 second intervals since there are painted notches for each minute?

Can you tell I'm a 50's and 60's Kenmore fan?
Les

*****Post# 22860-10/10/2002-10:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore question for Unimatic
MESSAGE: The suds switch was redirect the draining of the wash water into the suds water storage sink if you had a double sink. Then when you stated the next wash you turned the wash dial to "SUDS" to pump the dirty wash water left over from the last load back into the wash tub.

The Max time of wash on the '57 Lady Kenmore is 15 minutes. The LK is a pressure fill machine, not timed, but if you set the wash time to 9 minutes or less, it does not fill at all and goes right into dry agitation. The Fill marking was meant to show where on the dial the washer would fill first. This was a left over feature from earlier models without a water level selector to allow you to advance the dial and start agitation at a lower water level for small loads.

If you don't mind another 2 or 3 pesky questions, what are the times for the drain, spin & rinse cycles on your 57 Lady? The Kenmores I'm familiar with drained for 2, sprayed & spinned for 2 minutes, rinse-agitated for 2 and the final spin was for 6 minutes with another spin-spray for the first 2 of the 6. Is the max wash time on the custom fabric cycle 6 minutes? I assume the final spin is for 4. Is this cycle working on your restored Lady?

Lastly, what year did Kenmore first introduce the wash n wear/permanent press cycle with the cool down function?

*****Post# 22864-10/10/2002-12:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Much Older Than You Think! really?)
MESSAGE: wow, cool, so you think the dryer is a '54 huh? awesome!, its a model # AE620 and you think the Washer is a '56?? I was told its a '59.........glad you liked them :) ....

*****Post# 22865-10/10/2002-12:17 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Suds Savers
MESSAGE: Lesto-- We had a 1960 Kenmore Model 80 w/ the suds saver feature when I was growing up. My mom would always re-use the wash water for at least one additional load. The dirt/sediment/yukky stuff would settle to the bottom of the sink and not get pulled back into the washer in subsequent loads. You wouldn't re-use water from a load of diapers or anything like that, so it wasn't as gross as it might seem.

The biggest problem was during the suds return; the machine agitated at high speed while water came back into the tub, causing a lot of splashing. The splashing water would hit the tub light causing it to pop, sending glass shards into the machine. A serviceman eventually installed a foil shield around the bulb.

The machine also had another quirk: When the unbalanced switch activated the buzzer and stopped the machine, it sometimes would not go back into normal operating mode. You'd move the Cycle Hold switch back to ON and the buzzer would sound again. You'd have to flip the switch on and off a bunch of times before the motor would kick in and start the spin cycle again.

*****Post# 22866-10/10/2002-12:38 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: GM-era Frigidaire Suds Savers
MESSAGE: In the Consumer Reports articles there are several mentions of the 'inconvenient' suds savers on some Frigidaire models. What made them more incovenient than the type on Maytags or the Whirlpool family? And why didn't they need an outside sink/tub to be used?

gizmo-- thanks for the Aussie appliance pics! Is that a Filter-Flo style lint filter on the Whirlpool semi-auto?

*****Post# 22867-10/10/2002-12:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: I LOVE THAT TIME-LINE dryer! That was the first dryer that I ever bought. When I was in Junior High School (about 1966), I decided it was time to buy a dryer, since I was the one doing the family laundry and was tired of hanging clothes out in the hot Florida sun. I babysat and saved up $50 and called an appliance company out of the yellow pages to see what kind of used dryer they could give me for fifty bucks! I bought it sight unseen! When it arrived, I was very disappointed. Here was this old dryer that looked like it had really been put through the wringer so to speak...and it smelled funny. I also discovered that it wasn't ventable! There was this square hole in the back and a drop down lower panel in the front for the lint screen access. How in the world would I get it vented to the outside??? I couldn't dream of putting all this hot humid air in the garage since after all, we lived in Florida, and it was already hot and humid in the garage! Dad was afraid to hook it up, so I took it appart and rewired it, and cleaned it up real good. It had a screw type thing in the lower left corner that you could screw all the way up, and it would lift the drum off the belt so the drum didn't rotate and you could dry tennis shoes, sweaters, etc....of course, no rack was included. I also remember there was a huge fan in the back of the drum that forced the air into the drum instead of pulling the heated air through the drum as dryers do nowadays. It dried clothes very unevenly and most of the lint ended up not on the screen but all over the garage! I discovered if I dried two loads at once, it dried much more thoroughly and evenly. I did finally rig up a vent system also that worked pretty well. Around late 68 or 69, I bought a new Frigidaire set that had cabinet like shelves for detergent storage and the Jet Cone agitation system in a lovely avocado green! I really was in heaven then! Mark

*****Post# 22870-10/10/2002-13:25 ||| Fotar (NM)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire
MESSAGE: I just came across this web site and thought I would share some information with the group. I sold Frigidaire appliances in Sacramento CA in 1960. We were getting a lot of the 40's and 50's washers in trade. When they were originally sold, there was a stick-on label about 6" square or so on the top surface. On it was written something like "This is a genuine all-porcelain surface. It will not scratch, mar, stain or otherwise show any wear." I think that not only the top surface was porcelain but the entire outer shell. Every now and then we would get one in trade which still had the original sticker in place. When you peeled off the sticker, the porcelain under it was like brand new, but the rest of the top was usually scratched all to hell. Nevertheless we refurbished them and sold them for $129.95 - in 1960 dollars, probably the equivalent of close to $1000 today. That was still only about 1/2 the price of a new one and people were happy to get them. I think we sold about 150 of them before we ran out.

PeterH-- just found your pic of the '59 Lady K. Makes me nostalgic for the one I used to have. A '59 w/d pair were sitting behind a local appliance store to be recylced. The washer had never been used, although the dryer had been. I asked the appliance dealer about them; he said they were found in a storage shed on a farm a young couple had purchased. I don't know why the washer had never been used. Perhaps it was the old scenario of someone who didn't 'trust' automatic washers and continued to use their old wringer washer instead of the new-fangled one. It was like finding something in a time capsule. The unused hoses and plastic-bagged instruction manual were still inside the tub. I used it for about 2 years and it was a joy to watch. Lit up like a spaceship, she was.....

I liked how the console light could be operated even when the washer was off. I used the lights on the washer and dryer to light the laundry nook.

While I'm here, what brand is the turquoise washer/dryer pair in the background of this page? The dryer door is partially open and both the w & d have a grill on the front at the bottom.

*****Post# 22872-10/10/2002-13:31 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: ad hoc welcome wagon
MESSAGE: Welcome Fotar! Thanks for sharing your Frigidaire sales story. This is a great site; I just discovered it a month ago, myself. Be sure to check out all the vintage videos and member links. There are many great pics. Unimatic1140, in particular, has quite a vintage Frigidaire collection.

There was a spring-loaded ball attached to the drain hose, and the ball was positioned over the end of the hose to block the water from coming out. During the first spin, the water would not be pumped out, but held in the outer tub. The first load was removed from the machine, the ball removed from the hose, and the drain hose removed from the standpipe and aimed into the washer. Start the washer running, probably at a marked position on the timer so that it wouldn't fill, and the water would be pumped back into the tub via the drain hose. Add the next load of laundry to be washed, put the drain hose back in the standpipe, and don't have the ball on the drain hose this time (unless you wanted to save the water again for another load).

The 2nd load can run through the complete cycle for rinse and final spin. Then the 1st load is put back in for rinsing and final spin.

You can see the ball on the drain hose in several pictures that Gizmo posted of his WM-11.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.dnm=washing.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp%3f.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWM11%26.dnm=hot%2bwash.jpg%26.src=ph

*****Post# 22874-10/10/2002-14:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: '59 Lady Kenmore revisited ('59 Frigidaire pair background)
MESSAGE: The background wallpaper that you and I have selected is a 1959 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Multimatic washer and Filtrator condensing dryer. The Multimatic transmission allowed Frigidaire to have more than one wash and spin speed. The Filtrator dryer used room air to condense moisture from the clothes.

-ph

*****Post# 22875-10/10/2002-14:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: SPEAKING OF KENMORES! (HE3(t) bleach)
MESSAGE: I think your Kenmore was an adjusted version of an Italian washer. The real Euro way is not using bleach. Actually Euro washers don't have bleach dispensers at all.

*****Post# 22877-10/10/2002-15:03 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi Suds Savers/Ongoing Memory Loss
MESSAGE: DADoES-- Wow, that IS incovenient, isn't it? But if you really needed to conserve water and didn't have room for an extra sink/tub, it was a viable alternative. Amazing all that water could be held in the outer tub. Thanks for answering!

PeterH-- (sheepishly) I totally forgot we could choose our wallpaper and that I chose a Frigi. I can't believe I didn't recognize the control panel. I'M SLIPPING!! MIDDLE AGE IS RUINING ME!! (And I'm sure the excesses involved with growing up in the '70's have done me no good, either, ha-ha.)

*****Post# 22878-10/10/2002-15:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: more photos
MESSAGE: Great pictures - that is such a fun machine to play with, and you gotta love that overflow rinsing!

*****Post# 22879-10/10/2002-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto
MESSAGE: This is a very neat machine - that filter pan inside is very rare here in the states. I would imagine people would tire of using these semi-auto machines, too much attention needed for the job unless you have only a few loads to do.

Thanks again for the pics- it's fun to see the different things - and that filter!! What a cool sight that is!

I wonder if the "test homes" were updated every time there was a model change - what a treat that would be, especially in the 40's & 50's! Maytag used a whole town in Kansas for Neptune testing. I think the subject homes got to keep their machines - I wonder how many gave them back. There was no data on that...

*****Post# 22882-10/10/2002-15:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds Savers
MESSAGE: Eugene that, I believe, is why the later Sears suds model washers agitate at slow speed during the suds return phase. I believe the later models also advanced directly into the wash cycle after pumping the suds back in.

Lesto, back in the 50s and 60s and into the 70s, the suds savers were actually a fairly popular feature, I think because folks were used to using wringer washers, where often you use the wash water more than once. I'm thinking water usage was probably a sticking point as far as getting those thrifty mid century homemakers into automatics.

*****Post# 22883-10/10/2002-15:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (Whirlpool filter pans)
MESSAGE: The owner's manual for our 1962 Whirlpool LJA-3200 also covered a couple more "budget-minded" models and referenced an agitator-mounted filter pan. I was a bit upset when I found the manual and we had no filter pan, but then I figured out that our model wasn't supposed to have the filter pan (it had the MagicMix filter).

*****Post# 22884-10/10/2002-15:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi Suds Savers/Ongoing Memory Loss
MESSAGE: Suds savers were very popular in rural areas as well. Older septic systems and well pumps could not handle the volume of water an automatic washer used. A friend of mine grew up on a farm in the 60's and they ran the washer drain out into the corn field for this reason.

*****Post# 22885-10/10/2002-16:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Mark, I enjoyed reading your posting. I too love the dryer and love the way the paint came out on it, Its the first appliance I have ever painted and I was a little nervous. But I got some advice from the experts and did what they said and it came out great. I found it on the side of the road with a free sign on it and it works perfectly. It dried a sizeable perm. press load in about 30 minutes. I love the way the timer lights up too.

*****Post# 22886-10/10/2002-16:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (its a '56)
MESSAGE: Robert informed me it was a '56 and that the dryer is probably a '54. I am even more psyched now..........

Great to see pics of your finds and the shots of the FriGi in action, looks a real neat machine....the semi auto Whirlpool looks rather neat and with filter flow as well, looking for an early red & gold filter pan for my top loader...

See what you mean about the Simpson Delta looking like the Gentle Annie..

Question: did the Wilkins Servis machines come in colours or just white

Cheers, Mike

p.s. love the cats but the schnitzels would think its play time..sorry...

Glad to see you`re enjoying your collection and getting stuck into the renovations etc...Love the 59 Whirlpool Custom Imperial, beauty of a machine...

Does the Easy twinny have an outlet pipe at the back for the spinner, I remember seing an old one in a mag that looked like it had a flap at the side which drained into a sink...

Lucky hunting..

Mike

*****Post# 22889-10/10/2002-18:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: ad hoc welcome wagon (Hi Too...)
MESSAGE: Hi also to Fotar and Eugene and all other new members from this side of the water...great to see your enthusiasm on finding the club....

My favorite machine from being here and having used it in Roberts basement has to be ...."The 57 Lady Kenmore"...thats The Lady that did it for me!!!!

*****Post# 22891-10/10/2002-19:30 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: Spin-X
MESSAGE: Just thought i;d let everyone know about a great appliance that every laundryroom should have, it's called a Spin-X. I've owned one for about 3 years. It's an old time extractor that you would have found in laundromats of long ago. It spins at 3300rpm's. It removes so much water from the laundry that some of it is ready for ironing and the best part is it cuts down on the time the clothes spend in the dryer. If most of you have an electric dryer you know how expensive it can be running it a number of hours each week. It holds about 9 lbs of wet laundry and takes about 3 minutes, (it's timed). Towels which usually take 1 hour to dry are done on about 35-40 minutes depending on the size load you are drying. It's a great little machine. The website is www.Spin-X.com. Take a look at it and lets hear some feedback.
Bruce

We haven't spoken for a while. I remember seeing the Whirlpool semi when it was around. There were other models as well that were semi - auto. Simpson had a range too.

I loved the pics of Monty helping with the washing. I have a cat called Monty and he is also interested in washing. When I get time this weekend I will post a pic of him curiously watching the Miele in its throws.

regards,

Greg

*****Post# 22893-10/10/2002-20:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Hey Greg - great new pics. I especially love the Whirlpool washer - you were so lucky to get that. Of course I liked the Norge a lot also - I still have a fantasy of having a Norge Timeline Washer. By the way - I would date your dryer as earlier than 1962 - - probably around 1954. I have a magazine ad from 1954 featuring the matching Norge washer and dryer ("the Norge Laundry Maids") and I am sure that was the dryer from the ad. By 1957 Norge had gone to a full width drop down multi position door and a different control panel shape. Considering its age the dryer seems to be in remarkably good condition.......

*****Post# 22894-10/10/2002-21:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X
MESSAGE: I've always wanted to see one of those in action. At the convention, at Jeff's house, there was a huge (Bock?) spin dryer that would blow your mind. It goes 1777 rpm but it's very wide and it will wring a whole lot of water from a load that was spun in a Whirlpool Duet. I wish they would make a little bigger Spin-X that would hold like 14lbs. And they should also make one with a clear top where you can watch it spin. Being able to watch is most of the fun.

*****Post# 22897-10/10/2002-23:35 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Mike, I will have to check on the easy, i do not think it has a separate drain on the spin basket, glad you liked the pics..........

*****Post# 22898-10/10/2002-23:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: LOOKING FOR COLLECTORS (thanks for your postings Joe)
MESSAGE: keep the postings coming Joe, I am sure I speak for many that we are grateful for your giving us an opportunity to obtain an old appliance before it may get destroyed.............thanks again !! -gregm

*****Post# 22899-10/10/2002-23:44 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx Angus)
MESSAGE: the washer is a '56 and yes in amazingly good original condition. the dryer had alot of rust on the cabinet and it took a good two coats of paint along with two coarse and two fine sandings in between, but it all paid off and it came out great. The porcelain top cleaned up remarkably well with very little scratches. The porcelain back then was of remarkable quality I think. I cleaned every last detail on the control panel. I found the dryer on the side of the road and I was told it had been dropped on its back, I had my fingers crossed when I plugged her in and started her up. It ran beautifully. The washer needs some work and is not working at all right now. Needs a new cord and I think a new timer. I hope to work on it over the next month. Thanks for your response.........

*****Post# 22900-10/10/2002-23:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for hte pics again. That's the first Norge Timeline dryer in electric I've ever seen. The drum stayed the same form 1954 through 1965, although capacity enlarged. I love the WP dishwasher. Fascinating, dual wash levels even for a custom. And it's nice to see that 59 Imperial washer NOT in pink.

*****Post# 22901-10/11/2002-00:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx appnut)
MESSAGE: Hey Bob, glad you liked the pics, what do you mean nice to see the washer not in pink?? Have you seen alot of those washers in pink??

*****Post# 22902-10/11/2002-08:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more photos (very cool pics)
MESSAGE: Hi GregM
The date is a bit of a mystery, there is a date code "08D", at a guess a 1958?
There is a Frigidaire crest on it, so Robert tells me that makes it 57 or later. (?)
Best Wishes
Chris

*****Post# 22903-10/11/2002-08:33 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X (Spin-X)
MESSAGE: yes, jason, i agree that there should be a window to watch the action...that was why i immediately was turned off to maytag neptune washer...a front loader without a window....i wish they would make a full size dishwasher with a glass door...

*****Post# 22904-10/11/2002-08:36 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: My "Laundromat"
MESSAGE: As I am awaiting arrival of 1947 Bendix front loader and 1950 Maytag wringer washer, plumber completed installation of hot and cold water lines and drain lines for up to 5 machines....electrician comes today to install electric outlets and lighting. On completion of his work, the plumber looked in my garage and called it......Ross' Laundromat.....

*****Post# 22905-10/11/2002-08:45 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GM-era Frigidaire Suds Savers
MESSAGE: Hi Eugene.
My round Frigidaire can suds save, and I regularly use it that way. I am on tank water, if I didn't save the suds I couldn't use the top loader at all. I do a load of whites first (hot water, ususally very lightly soiled) then re-use for darker, more heavily soiled work clothes.
The Frigidaire suds save is simple and works well, with one exception - the pulsator works when returning the soapy water, which splashes madly. The hose hanging into the washing machine prevents putting the lid on properly, so I have to put the lid on and use a towel to prevent splashes getting out from under the lid.
The pump out hose has a spring loaded rubber ball to block the water from being pumped out. If you set the ball to block, then when the machine spins out, the water is trapped in the outer drum. When you wish to return the soapy water, hand the hose outlet into the washer, release the hose blocker, replace the lid, set the control to pulsate, and drape a towel around the lid opening.

I don't really know what a filter flo style lint filer is... this one (on the semi auto WP) has a series of spiral ramps around the edge which protrude down into the water. As the agitator does its thing, little bits of water are shot up into the filter area. Barely worth the inconvenience if you ask me, they somewhat block the opening which makes for tricky loading/unloading.
Chris

*****Post# 22906-10/11/2002-08:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more photos
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
The earlier Wilkins Servis washers were white only as far as I know, but by the psychedelic seventies they had a range of colours. I have had a Mk3 WS twin tub myself in green, (died of rust) and have seen other colours too. (brown, can't remember what else)
Monty loves dogs, if the schnitzels gave him any bother it would be four razor blades down the nose as many times as it took to teach them who is boss. (having said that, two very nasty dogs have moved in next door, so Monty and Millie are now confined inside or in their outdoor run. They used to get a free run every now and then.)
Best Wishes
Chris

Those semi auto's had one thing in their favour, they are good for washing the floor when you get distracted. The Whirlpool ones (like the one in the photo) with heater had a pressure switch (water level sensor)anyway (so you couldn't turn on the heater with no water) so the cost of not at least having a controlled fill would have only been the cost of an inlet valve. I thought once of modifying one so that the pressure switch controlled the water inlet (forget the heater), so that you coudn't flood it. Never got around to it...

Is your Monty a lunatic too?
Chris.

*****Post# 22908-10/11/2002-09:16 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Semi-auto Whirlpool/Cats & Washers
MESSAGE: Gizmo-- A Filter-Flo filter was used on General Electric washers in the US for years. It looks like the one on the Whirlpool, but water is pumped into it, rather than water spurting into it from around the agitator.

I had a called The Swede who used to love watching my front-loader in action. She'd sit and watch the clothes go around until the spin cycle, at which point she'd lose interest and go take a nap.

*****Post# 22909-10/11/2002-09:21 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Windowless Neptunes/See-thru dishwashers
MESSAGE: Jasonl & Rossroberts-- I'm in full agreement about the lack of a window on the Neptune. I've owned several brands of washers over the years but never a Maytag. If the Neptune had a window, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

When I was a kid, there was a demonstration dishwasher at the local Sears store which had a clear plexiglass door so you could watch the action. I wanted SO BADLY for my folks to buy it, not understanding it was only a demo. I remember crying and stomping my feet because they wouldn't bring it home. (Hey, I was only about 5, OK?!)

*****Post# 22912-10/11/2002-10:04 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: GE POD
MESSAGE: Love today's pic of the 57 Filter Flo. It reminds me of the 55 we use to have. This 57 washer is the first GE I remember seeing with the timer control on the left side. Our old 55 had the same agitator except the top of it as well as the trim on the control panel and the background of the illuminated timer were aqua instead of pink. And thr back panel sat flushed flat instead of being raised like on this 57 and the 58 one of you guy's have in your collection.

I wish these ad photos came with close-up views of the main control knob. I've always enjoyed getting detailed views of how the cycles are displayed on a washer's timer.

*****Post# 22914-10/11/2002-11:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Windowless Neptunes/See-thru dishwashers
MESSAGE: Hi Boys! There's a VERY good reason that Maytag didn't put a window in their frontloaders.....there's very little going on in there. They are probably the worst washing front loader on the market today. Put in a large comforter and start the machine. Wait 8 minutes or so. Pull the power cord, and take a look at the comforter......still not even wet in the center! Maytag does a lot of PR on how these machines get stains out, etc....but really just a lot of hooey. And, lets not even discuss their sorry excuses for water pumps in those machines!....and I AM a Maytag fan! Mark

No window on their frontloader. You gotta stick your finger in the back of the lid to watch the toploader and their new ones will blow a fuse if you try that. What's so wrong about watching a washing machine. What's so "unsafe" about it. I grew up with a Kenmore and I watched it the whole cycle (lid halfway up for spin). I knew better than to stick my hand in a spinning washer. Well, I used to duct tape the lid switch on my grandma's for full lid-up viewing. My little Lady has had her Lidswitchectomy and she runs great lid up. But Maytag? No way dude. You can NOT watch :-( unless you perform surgery.

*****Post# 22916-10/11/2002-12:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: A new friend is coming over
MESSAGE: A new little friend is coming to stay with me. His name is Wizard and he says "meow"... I'm getting him tonight and there will be pictures. Just in time for a Friday wash-in! :-)

I never understood why Maytag felt it necessary even back in the 50's and 60's, to design their washers so you couldn't watch the in action. That's the one thing I always hated about them and I always thought, apart from that, that they were neat machines. When I was a little boy, The main thing I liked about my Mom's 55 Hotpoint and the 55 GE I inherited from my Great Aunt was the fact that they had no safety switch and I could watch all the cycles easily. And the Kenmores were no trouble because you could easily depress the lid switch during the spin cycle or tape it down with good strong duct tape.

*****Post# 22919-10/11/2002-12:51 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: A new friend is coming over
MESSAGE: AWWWWW, Jason, I love cats!!! What a cute name, Please do post pictures as well as some more of your usual Friday Night Wash-Ins :) Congrats!!!!

Thats right non of the British machines had bleach dispensers in fact most only had one compartment for the powder until the late seventies when Hoover added the pre-wash and Fabric conditioner in their "Matchbox E" series of machines....

Good points about the "Suds Savers"....when I think about all the wringer washers and twinnys the Brits had until recently, late 70`s/80`s, and the way we used the machines, nobody I ever knew would ditch the washwater every time you changed the clothes....most people would start with v.hot water for whites and then work through colourfast towels, then lights then darks etc, occasionally adding more powder when needed and perhaps a topup of warm water towards the end ....

I used to see many a line of perfectly washed clean clothes more often out of a wringer or twinny than out of the first autos....

I bet if you gave a TOL Miele/AEG/MaytAsko to a school leaver and asked them to wash a load in it and pitched any one of us with a new clean cement mixer/hot water/soap powder we could match em if not beat em hands down for results...LOL

Its like Rich says, no machines perfect but you get to know the way a machine works and you work with it...What do you say!!!

Over the water we`re busy watching the second series of "Six Feet Under"...massive hit over here...in the Fischers house what is the washer set, looks to me like the Maytag AMP 57 that Greg (Gansky)has in his collection....

Happy viewing

Mike

p.s.Robert love "The Lady" pic on the posting page!!!!

*****Post# 22924-10/11/2002-14:23 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Those @#!!%&! Safety Lid Switches
MESSAGE: Face it guys; we live in an era where "DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY" has to be written on shampoo bottles, so I can see where an appliance manufacturer would be expected to provide a safety switch during a high speed spin. But deactivating the fill and agitation portions of a cycle seems completely unnecessary.

*****Post# 22925-10/11/2002-14:23 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Those @#!!%&! Safety Lid Switches
MESSAGE: Face it guys; we live in an era where "DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY" has to be written on shampoo bottles, so I can see where an appliance manufacturer would be expected to provide a safety switch during a high speed spin. But deactivating the fill and agitation portions of a cycle seems completely unnecessary.

The original design had water continuing to flow through when the machine switched to neutral drain, until the level dropped and it slowed to a trickle then finally stopped. As I recall, a design change on the pump in later years stopped the flow immediately when drain started.

The cap of the filter has a plastic-fiber brush attached to the underside, which snags the lint as the water flows through. The term MagicMix comes from using the filter as a powdered detergent dispenser -- which didn't always work so well -- there's not much room for a cup or more of powdered detergent in the reservoir along with putting the brush filter cap back on.

Our machine had a chrome filter cap with a window!

Still later, Whirlpool did away with the brush filter and reservoir on the top right corner and switched to a pull-out cartridge positioned between the top and tub ring, also at the right corner. Kenmore always used cartridges for their waterfall filters.

*****Post# 22928-10/11/2002-14:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: Six Feet Under is a runaway hit over here too - never miss it! They have two sets of "806" Maytags (this x06 style was made from about 1967 through the late 70's) in the house, one upstairs in the residence and one set downstairs in the workroom of the funeral home. In one of the first episodes, the mother was using the dryer in the workroom as the upstairs dryer was in need of servicing. The sets in the show are later versions of what I have, no distinct changes in the washers, but Maytag had a larger dryer with a 'bulkhead' stationary back drum and up-front lint filter. You can spot these style dryers by the larger, rectangular door. The earlier dryers had a smaller, square door and were known as "Halo of Heat" designs.

The AMP I have here now is a little similar in appearance to the later models with the timer dial in the center and the lighted glass panels.

Here is a picture of my 906 Maytags, same basic styling as the show's machines, but mine are the all pushbutton models. The 57 AMP is in the same album, but it's soon going to a new home - Steve 1-18 is picking up this washer for his collection here on Monday!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.src=ph&.dnm=Maytag+Washer+A906.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Maytag%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22929-10/11/2002-14:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Those @#!!%&! Safety Lid Switches (Clothespin trick ---)
MESSAGE: You can bypass the lid switch on the older '06 style Maytag washers, and the newer Maytag made washers with 1/2 of a wooden spring-type closepin. Open the lid, wedge the stick in between the lid and the switch button with the indented side of the pin to the lid and voila! you have lid-up viewing with no surgery!

I use this all the time with my 906 Maytag - the lid switch is connected to the off-balance switch and the tub light, so I left it all orginal in mine.

If one is to believe the rhetoric of "safe operation" for a washer, the hot water fill can cause scalding. Even after it filled, the hot water with strong chemicals (particularly chlorine bleach) can cause harm, even when little kids don't put their limbs into the washer -- just a splash of the wash solution can cause harm to young eyes, for example.

That said, we did not have lid switches in Brazil until the early 80's or so. All top loaders would just run the entire cycle with the lids up. The only machines with lid switches (but no lid locks) were front loaders, and those had disappeared from the market by the late 60's.

Parents would teach the kids to either stay away from the washers or how to use them properly. I remember kids (including me) being fascinated by the spray rinse, for example, since an early age -- and no, the majority of those kids don't even like laundry, much less watching their machines now that they've grown up. (I believe, altho I can be wrong, that mothers would take advantage of their kids fascination with the process to get free help, at least that's what happened with the families I knew...)

Reports of serious accidents with washers *only* started appearing *after* lid switches and lid locks became common. Apparently parents would just think "Oh, what the heck, we don't have to pay attention to the kids or the washer, it has a safety switch!" and bam!, that's when the kids would find out how to bypass the "safety" switch and get hurt.

Safety is important, and I am by no means saying we shouldn't have it, but the other extreme (when parents are completely careless) is bad too. Also, they could *easily* make it even safer just by having a window on the lid, most kids would happily watch thru the window without opening the lid. Maybe we can start lobbying the congress for such a law and then Maytag Neptune will have to have a window by law... ;-P

*****Post# 22931-10/11/2002-16:10 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Windowless Neptunes/See-thru dishwashers
MESSAGE: Yes, we had reports of people who owned the Maytag Atlantis here in the forum saying that there are two switches and if the lid is up but the other switch is on, a fuse blows. Sad. The only way to watch the cycle, we were told, without major surgery was to open the top of the machine, so the switches were all thinking the lid, and thus the machine, was closed.

Another irritating "feature" we saw recently during the convention was that the WP Calypso washer has the computer check that the lid was opened then closed before turning on the washer -- great so people won't run two cycles with the same load inadvertently, but hard to circumvent. The host of that event had attached an external switch so we could watch the cycle with the lid open.

*****Post# 22933-10/11/2002-18:40 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard! (I already adore him!)
MESSAGE: Wizard is so cute! I actualy fell out of my chair and smacked the back of my head on the side of my bed! Only because he is so cute!

*****Post# 22934-10/11/2002-18:42 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (Maytag all button! WOW!)
MESSAGE: What does the inside of this beauty look like? I would love to know!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.src=ph&.dnm=Maytag+Washer+A906.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Maytag%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 22935-10/11/2002-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard!
MESSAGE: Hey Jason
What a cute kitten. Love those big blue eyes. Our cat loves to watch the front loader too. As soon as he hears me in the laundry room loading the machine, he runs in and jumps up on the clothes hamper, which gives him a direct level view into the washer.
Rich

*****Post# 22937-10/11/2002-19:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx appnut)
MESSAGE: Greg, I seem to see lots of ads on Ebay for a bit later Whirlpool washer in Pink. Personally, I don't really like pink appliances. I know, I'm the renegade of the club LOL.

*****Post# 22942-10/11/2002-20:08 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard! (Congrats on the new Kitty!)
MESSAGE: Jason,
Thanks for sharing your new kitten through your pictures. I love kittens! My two are now very grown up. One is 17.5 years, and the other is 3 years. They have brought so much happiness to my life. They are really best friends, that are always there for you! Truly gifts!
Did you already have a cat, or is this a first?
Brent

*****Post# 22945-10/11/2002-22:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Windowless Neptunes/See-thru dishwashers
MESSAGE: My guess is that Maytag, as one of the first manufacturers of top loading washers, probably got sued by someone who was injured by opening the lid of a washer in action. So their lawyers and their insurance company have insisted upon extra measures to prevent such occurances. So I wouldn't blame Maytag as much as I would fault our careless and overly litigious society.

I can see no safety advantage, however, to a windowless front loader, except perhaps that the glass window on front loaders that have heaters can get hot enough to burn those who touch them. This has not however prevented euro mfgs from producing windowed front loaders. The HE3t gets hotter than the Neptune and solves the problem with a double window.

*****Post# 22946-10/11/2002-23:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard! (thanks)
MESSAGE: It's amazing. I put him on top of a box and he is so small he can stand in the window of the Frigemore and watch it run. He loves when it fills with water. I thought he would be afraid of the noise and the vibration when it spins but it didn't bother him. In fact, he was laying on my lap almost asleep when the Frigemore was going up to full speed (loudest).

*****Post# 22947-10/11/2002-23:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard! (Congrats on the new Kitty!)
MESSAGE: My first cat is about 18 years old and living at my parents house. She's getting really really sick now and I think will die soon :-( . So maybe getting a new kitty will the replacement. I hate to see the old one die but I don't like to see her really sick like that.

*****Post# 22949-10/12/2002-00:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Did you have any good news today?
MESSAGE: My neighbor across the street walked over today and asked me this question, for which I had no answer, and told me that he pulled a very old washer and dryer out of a lady's house today that he thought I might like. We walked over to his truck and there what he found was a 50's square tub Maytag wringer washer and a DDGK Frigidaire dryer - in sunny yellow. We pulled the dryer off and waved goodbye to the wringer. The dryer is gas, 1966 Deluxe model. He told me that it was running fine when he pulled it out. I plugged it in and ran it for a few minutes (no gas in the garage) and it did run smoothly. If anyone is interested, let me know or I'll pull a few parts from it and send it away as I don't have need or room for it.

It is very pretty - I seemed to have moved from harvest gold to sunny yellow now, this is the third dryer I've found in this color - maybe the tide is turning and pink is on the way!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.src=ph&.dnm=DDGK+Dryer+in+sunny+yellow.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t

I can remember my grandmother's first Zanussi that didn't have a soap dispenser at all. The instruction was to put the detergent on the laundry halfway loading. My mother's Bosch from 1966 had a small cup that you put in the prewash dispenser after it had filled for the prewash. The cup was used for fabric softener.

My Miele (BTW it's a W715) is doing fine. It's the washer I use most although my small AEG toploader is used quite often too. I'm addicted to the dance it performs while spinning.

How is your collection? You must have quite a laundryroom by now!

Louis

*****Post# 22952-10/12/2002-06:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you have any good news today?
MESSAGE: I have to agree with you Greg - - that sunny yellow is a great color. Anything in that color would be a find! While I do love the turquoise and pink - as well as poppy and avocado - that yellow is nice and subtle.

I recently found a 1-18 dryer in harvest gold at a Real Estate open house. Of course it was in an incredibly dark basement so I couldn't tell if it was just filthy or worse - so for the next open house, I will go with my trusty flashlight. Actually, it was so dark I couldn't tell if it was gold or avocado...........

*****Post# 22953-10/12/2002-06:37 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoints & Kenmores (Changing Agitators?)
MESSAGE: I'm a little new to this whole appliance enthusiast hobby.
I acutally have a 1997 Kenmore 70 series with the Dual Action Agitator. The blades at the bottom are a horrow story on anthing delicate. I had thought of changing out the agitator with a Super Surgilator from a 1980's Whirlpool. I had one of those and it worked much gentler on clothes. Is it possible to put the older Super Surgilator in place of the dual action in my kenmore?

*****Post# 22954-10/12/2002-06:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Disappointing Estate Sales
MESSAGE: Well, folks, the past few weeekends have offered nothing in the local estate sales. First of all there are far fewer as the weather gets toward fall, but the selection of appliances is so disappointing. With the exception of a 1951 Bendix dryer (which was not for sale) every single house has had either a recent model Maytag, Whirlpool or WCI Frigidaire (top loading of course) set

The only even remotely promising things I found were a very early 1960's Frigidaire dryer - probably one of the first solid drum models - paired with an early 1980's GE filter flo washer. I did offer to buy those, but the homeowner insisted that these were being sold with the house. I thought the GE would be a great extra washer - since I miss my mini basket in the worst way and my Amana was down for several weeks while a part was on order. Both were in mint condition too. Well, at least they said they would consider my offer and let me know.... we will see.

*****Post# 22955-10/12/2002-06:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoints & Kenmores (Changing Agitators?)
MESSAGE: The agitator wouldn't fit in the newer washer. Also, the agitation on the belt drive washers were slower and had a longer stroke. The new washer has a fast short stroke. So even if you could put the surgilator on the new washer, it would still be murder on your clothes. Want gentle action and a fast spin? Get a Frigemore :-) . Those are the best.

*****Post# 22956-10/12/2002-07:35 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Go Pink!!)
MESSAGE: I agree. Three cheers for pink! That 57 GE filter-flo pair in pink on yesterday's POD was beautiful! Even the control and agitator top were pink.

Speaking of washing, it's time for me to get the first load going in my front-loader. My cat Sylvester is already sitting impatiently in front of the glass window. He likes to watch as much as I do. ;-)

*****Post# 22957-10/12/2002-07:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you have any good news today?
MESSAGE: I've never been very fond of the late 60's and early 70's colors: Harvest gold, coppertone, avacado. I've always prefered the earlier colors: pink, sunny yellow, turquoise.

*****Post# 22958-10/12/2002-07:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Hi DADoES,
Annie lives with my mother now, Mum got the upgrade when I got my hands on a Smart Drive. I have a dead ECS Autowasher in the garage which is essentially the same machine as the Gentle Annie, just an option or two less and no cutsie name, I can post a photo of that sooner or later. Next visit to the parents I will get a photo of Annie herself. I wish I had the technology to post the sounds of a Gentle Annie, it is a bit weird. The agitator moves in an arc similar to a "normal" top load washer, about 180 degrees or less, and at about the same strokes per minute, and without the tiny pause between strokes that the Smart Drive does, so the motor has to reverse direction really fast, it almost bounces from one direction to the other. The motor makes a strange droning sound when agitating, and a whine when spinning. If anything I think the GA is better quality construction than the Smart Drive, to me it reflects Fisher and Paykel's origins and involvement in medical equipment. The electronic motor control unit lives in its own metal box in the base of the cabinet and the circuit contains some oddball FET's or transistors, (which have blown in my dead unit) and there appears to be no equivalent available anywhere (I have done global searches on the net) so it may be permanently deceased.
Chris.

*****Post# 22959-10/12/2002-07:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Norge Timeline question
MESSAGE: How do you set the timer on the Timeline washer? Does the knob rotate or does it slide from left to right along with the indicator pointer? I was curious as how you brought the pointer back to the start of the cycle once it reached the "off" position. It seems like sliding it from right to left would be like turning a rotary timer the wrong way and would strip the notches on the timer.

*****Post# 22960-10/12/2002-08:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Meet Wizard!
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
Wizard is gorgeous. I have a particular weakness for black cats.
I have read before (and believe it myself) that coat colour and personality are genetically linked in cats. (to a degree)
Black cats are often big softies, rather timid and inclined to avoid strangers and potential threats. They need their owner to provide a secure environment free from perceived threats so that they feel safe and secure before they can relax. They like constancy and routine, don't like change. Do that and you will have a happy cat.
Best of luck with him.
Chris.

*****Post# 22961-10/12/2002-10:12 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you have any good news today?
MESSAGE: ooooooooooooooooohhh, I wish this was an electric one! Would love to have it if it were :~( PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't take it apart for parts and junk the rest. While not a top of the line, it's still pretty rare and 5 or 10 years down the line, you'll kick yourself if you do junk it. Someone in the club would surely want such a great find as this. Mark

*****Post# 22962-10/12/2002-10:39 ||| eugene (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Coronado/Speed Queen Question
MESSAGE: Was there ever a manufacturing connection between the Coronado and Speed Queen brands? A friend's early 1960's-era Coronado's motor (pump too?) ran during fill, as with the SQ. I recall it being quite a racket, actually.

jasonl---congrats on the handsome new addition to the family! Who plays guitar? Do you have a band?

You could take the cabinet and combine it with an electric model guts and have an electric dryer. The only real drawback to this dryer is that I don't think the top is porcelain. It's in good condition, and I haven't looked at it too closely, but I think it's just painted. The valve and burner assemblies in these dryers are at the top of the drum on each side of the cabinet and if the top isn't porcelain, the heat and combustion gasses from the burner would not be kind to the underside of that painted top. I'll pop the top today and have a look - it may be a goner already!

*****Post# 22964-10/12/2002-10:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coronado/Speed Queen Question
MESSAGE: In the early 50's, many of the components of the Coronado and Speed Queen machines were made by Beam (later Franklin) but moving into the 60's, the machines would have been much different from one another internally, although still both solid basket washers. Coronado was an entirely a Franklin machine while the Speed Queen kept their same basic design up until the early 70's. I would imagine the pump running during fill on both machines would have been coincidental, plus the Speed Queen machines usually ran very quietly when properly adjusted.

*****Post# 22965-10/12/2002-13:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you have any good news today?
MESSAGE: Greg, I have a very sneaky suspicion that that sunny yellow dryer may be leaving with Steve 1/18. It's a match, although not in color, to a washer he has that needs some work on it.

*****Post# 22966-10/12/2002-13:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Go Pink!!)
MESSAGE: I love it. Sylvester knows when its wash day already. What a CAT!!!! Wish I was there with you to sit & watch the washer.

*****Post# 22967-10/12/2002-14:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Go Pink!!)
MESSAGE: I wish you were, too. That's the only thing I don't like about this great group. We're all spread out across the country which makes it quite difficult to have wash-ins together.

Don't despair, there are some wonderful members living quite near you, so I'm sure you will be able to attend a wash-in sometime. I already came twice from Europe to join a convention and I can say that it was worth traveling that far. And I'm sure I will come over to the US more often and hope to meet you then.

*****Post# 22970-10/12/2002-18:40 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoints & Kenmores (Changing Agitators?)
MESSAGE: I figured that the stroke was different because the spiral screw moves in short fast bursts. And the impeller at the bottom might as well be part of a blender. You could mix some mean marguerita's in that thing.

I have considered the GE/Frigidare/Kenmore front loader. It reminds me of the Westy front loader that my mom had under the counter when I was a kid.

I have also been looking at the Staber Industries washer. Very simple design. I'm just afraid of them going out of business. They have a custom motor controller board that could need replacing and if they aren't around to support it ....

*****Post# 22972-10/13/2002-04:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: 1955 AEG Lavalux
MESSAGE: There are still a few twintubs with pulsators on the mainland of Europe. Although they were sold quite a lot in the UK, they disappeared from the market on the mainland as soon as the tumblewasher was brought out. Here's a wonderful AEG twintub from 1955 that looks like new.

I got a nasty shock when hubby number 1 announced it was over just past our first anniversary. I didn't see it coming at all, it knocked me for six. I swore off relationships, decided they were all too much bother, single was the life for me! Shortly afterwards I met someone, fell in deep again, sixteen years later we're still entwined (though we have had our moments...)
I hope you get your happily ever after, too.
Best Wishes
Chris

*****Post# 22978-10/13/2002-09:22 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (cat pics)
MESSAGE: Same thing happened to me. Hubby number one decided just a few days before our first anniversary that he needed to go "find himself". About two years later I met hubby number two. We've been together now for eleven and a half years and last I heard, hubby number one hasn't found himself yet. LOL.

Now if I could only get the current hubby interested in vintage washers but I'm afraid he didn't get the "agitator gene". :sigh:
Whenever there is a particularly exciting POD like the pink 57 GE's from the other day, I always drag him over to the computer for a look see. But he just says "that's very nice, dear", rolls his eyes and goes back to whatever he was doing. Oh well. He just doesn't know the fun he's missing. He teases me when I tell him how I used to watch all my relatives and neighbors washers when I was a kid and he also doesn't understand why I like to sit and watch our frontloader washing. At least our cat "get's it".
Les

I don't have two of this Maytag design, I just have so little room in the laundry rooms and have to make some difficult choices about what I can keep around here. That AMP Maytag was found by Jon Charles at a trash dump and has made the rounds through the club so it's fitting that it should be passed on to another member now. Steve will enjoy it, I'm sure.

The Halo-of-Heat was a circular element in the front of the drum around the opening with the exhaust fan at the back of the drum drawing air over the elements and through the clothes load.

Glad you like the color of the Frigidaire Room - I plan on doing some more painting in the other room this winter to spruce that up as well. It would all get done a lot faster if I win the lotto, I should check my ticket from last night!

We will be starting the third season of Six this winter sometime - did you notice the dishwasher changed in the kitchen from the first to the second season? It was a Kitchen Aid 17 series in the first season and it changed to a D&M machine in the second.

Take care- Greg

*****Post# 22980-10/13/2002-10:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (cat pics)
MESSAGE: Greg - loved the pic of Monty - - very adorable! Sorry for your relationship woes also. No matter what the reason, it hurts - went through it myself not long ago. After 13 years, mine left me for someone else he had been seeing for 8 months. A horror story to be sure, and sometimes it still hurts, but you manage to move forward. Just don't expect too much from yourself and don't let others tell you how you should feel and how long it should take you to feel better

A peice of advice that I wish I had followed myself - if he decides to come back, ask yourself "What, if anything has changed"? If the answer is "Nothing", then be very cautious. I wasn't and within 7 months of our reconciliation, I was dumped again. I wish you the best.....

*****Post# 22982-10/13/2002-13:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (cat pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Must be something in the detergent, because my husband of a year and a half just announced that he also would "like some time to himself" and just closed on a condo. Stupid me thought everything was going great. I have been helping him move so that he is out of here as quickly as possible. Yes it hurts. I've done a lot of washing this week to keep my mind preoccupied and it helps. You might want to try the same "washing clothes" and "washer/dryer restoration" therapy that I am using as it really DOES help take your mind off things. Good luck. Mark

*****Post# 22983-10/13/2002-14:13 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Relationship Woe's
MESSAGE: No offence, but can we talk about relationship problems and unrelated topics to the club in the sandbox?
Brent

*****Post# 22985-10/13/2002-14:34 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (Whirlpool MagicMix )
MESSAGE: Do you mean the filter-bag for dryers? Honestly, I don't know. Our 1964 Whirlpool dryer had a top-mounted filter screen. Greg's 1960 Sunny Yellow dryer does as well, so it was either 1960 or earlier.

*****Post# 22986-10/13/2002-14:53 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Big thanks to Tom Turbo and John
MESSAGE: Just wanted to say thanks for the enjoyable visit to the museum and the late night drive by which yielded that late 60's key board kenmore washer =) Thanks guys, finially got to see and get pictures of vintage appliances =)

John how did you find that site with the trucks dump off old appliances, you could practically resell half of those, i would love to find a place like that out here. Do you know how i could go about finding a place like that out here?

Thanks again you guys are great!

~Steven in California

*****Post# 22987-10/13/2002-16:32 ||| SHAWN (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Drain Pump's
MESSAGE: How did the drain pump's work on the old front loader's of the 60's ( Westinghouse-Bendix- Easy, was the drain powered by the motor that turned the tub?

*****Post# 22988-10/13/2002-18:24 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Meeting with New Friends..........
MESSAGE: Hi all, just a short note from Hershey PA. Am away for the car swap meet, Doug and Bill (Cycla-Fabric) from Jersey drove down on Sat to spend a few hours hunting car parts. We still managed to talk a bit about appliances. Going junkyarding tomorrow in upper PA. Wish me LUCK! There are often vintage washers and dryers among the cars. Maybe an APEX?

*****Post# 22989-10/13/2002-21:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (thnx appnut(love any colors!))
MESSAGE: Bob, if you see any colored apps, let me know !! (hehe), I probably will not go for it because of shipping costs, but man oh man, i LOVE any colored appliance except for avocado green. I grew up with that, it wasn't pretty,............

*****Post# 22990-10/13/2002-21:07 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: RECYCLE CENTER (what year?)
MESSAGE: thanks as always for keeping us abreast on available old apps. I think I speak for many in here. What year is the RCA dryer?? thanks....................-gregm

*****Post# 22991-10/13/2002-21:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (cat pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark. I agree with you on that one - - after my ex went to find himself (along with his new boyfriend), I probably broke a new washing record. I did more laundry than I ever thought possible. If I could have fit the dining room table in the washer, I probably would have washed that too. And it DID help (but you never really do forget)!! There was something very soothing about the whole laundry process and perhaps I felt like I was washing the ex out of my life as part of the bargain.........

*****Post# 22993-10/13/2002-21:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA WHIRLPOOL DRYER (u still have this?)
MESSAGE: Did you get rid of this dryer?

*****Post# 22994-10/13/2002-21:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: Disappointing Estate Sales (hi !!)
MESSAGE: you got to love it when they say " oh no, sorry, those will be sold with the house, (the new owners will probably buy new and trashem).........

*****Post# 22996-10/13/2002-21:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Did you have any good news today? (nice color!!)
MESSAGE: That is a color that I have never really seen in person and I wonder if some of that is regional. While I am fond of the pink and turquoise, the yellow is really a favorite. I tend to think that here in the Northeast or at least in the New York area, colors were really rare.

*****Post# 22997-10/13/2002-21:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Disappointing Estate Sales (hi !!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, that is where phase 2 of my plan comes into play. I will then follow the real estate transactions and contact the new owners directly. Sad that we have to go through all that extra work, but I guess it is worth it. And I can't imagine that young families with kids will want those appliances.

I suppose that some people simply cannot understand the interest.......

On a different note, how are you enjoying the Filtrator? I went to look at it the same night you came to CT in that dreadful rain and I thought of hanging around to meet you, but I thought the homeowner probably wouldn't appreciate that. Just out of curiosity, what did you think of him? Perhaps that is a question that is best answered in the sandbox........

*****Post# 22998-10/13/2002-22:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA WHIRLPOOL DRYER (u still have this?)
MESSAGE: I still have the WP dryer, it's a 1960 Imperial, electric. I spent some time on it last week and have been using it in the garage now. It needs new belts, but it runs very well. I love the lighted panel...

If I find a gas dryer for the garage, I will probably look for a home for this Whirlpool.

*****Post# 22999-10/13/2002-22:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Disappointing Estate Sales (Sales...)
MESSAGE: Only once in a while do I see washers and dryers at sales that aren't for sale, and when they are marked NFS, it's something I wouldn't be interested in anyway - too new. It's very rare that people leave a washer and dryer (or refrigerator) in a house they are selling here, usually only built-in appliances and the stove/range. Some clients of mine moved recently and I was shocked when they sold their house with their 6 month old fridge, but it was a Frigidaire ;-)

Sales here this weekend were OK, but I did find a turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster, and won the bid (they were asking $75 but I got it for 1/2) and will pick it up tomorrow. Not much in the appliance sights, an early 70's Speed Queen dryer with a pretty stainless steel drum, but that's about it.

*****Post# 23000-10/13/2002-22:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Drain Pump's
MESSAGE: Bendix pumps were attached directly to the motor and operated with a solenoid valve that opened to drain the water. Westinghouse used a pump that was driven by a friction wheel, a solenoid was used to pull the pump drive wheel into contact with the motor. Easy combos used a belt driven pump.

*****Post# 23001-10/13/2002-22:53 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Agitators
MESSAGE: I'm a little perplexed with Whirlpools agitators?
On the belt drive machines, did Whirlpool use the same agitators in the 24" models as well as the 29"?

Whirlpool used a straight vane agitator for a short while wayyy back at the beginning. It came in black bakelite, and a mottled red/black.

Then they switched to the familiar Surgilator, which was in black bakelite and white poly, and possibly a very light bluish tinge? I don't recall ever seeing a red Surgilator.

The first 18-pounder used a super-sized Surgilator in black bakelite. The very large lower fins caused trouble with the tranny and possibly with the agitator itself breaking, so they quickly reduced the size.

A minor design change was made on the Surgilator over time, to increase the size of the lower fins slightly so they extended just a bit over the skirt. This was white poly.

Compact 24" and 29" models used the same Surgilator design, possibly different sizes to fit the basket appropriately.

In the late 1970s or early 1980s, the 18-pound machines were fitted with the Double-Duty Surgilator, which had wings around the edge of the skirt, for better clothes movement and water action at the very bottom of the basket, and the fins running up the barrel were a bit more curved.

The direct-drive Design2000 in the early 1980s used a modified Double-Duty Surgilator, with four vanes instead of three.

This morphed over time into the cork-screw Dual-Action.

*****Post# 23003-10/14/2002-01:59 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Agitators
MESSAGE: Was the mottled red/black agitator the one they used in the 2-part movie "Mother Takes A Holiday"?

Off-Topic here...reading the relationship woes of members is better reading than the current daytime soap opera episodes that the networks are running. My last bf couldn't understand my fascination with washing machines, makes a much better ex if I say so myself. Could start a separate string of messages relating to relationships, any suggestions on what the name would be?

Good to hear from you, Monty looks well in control of the washing, I got confused and thought Chris`s pic was the gentle Annie....still looking for the Keymatic and no sign of the Servis MK41 but we live in hope.....

Was the Halo-Of Heat considered a good design, and is it still used in use today???

The Servis dryers used this method, Sucking instead of blowing and their heating elements where always a lot lower wattage than say Hotpoint & Hoover...because the wind power was higher...they marketed this the same as a "Good Line Drying Day" lots of wind and not necessarily a lot of sun needed.

Thinking about it it must have been a good because in the early 90`s Servis made dryers and washers for Hitachi using the same principles when they where breaking into the White Goods arena...

*****Post# 23009-10/14/2002-06:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 AEG Lavalux (cool ! )
MESSAGE: Since the value of the Dollar and the Euro are almost the same at the moment the highest bid is $25.- right now.

Louis

*****Post# 23010-10/14/2002-06:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 AEG Lavalux (Must Have!!!!)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the apartment downstairs is occupied and I don't have that much space left. Besides that it's quite far away from where I live. I have just a tiny spot left for a Philips toploader, the Lavalux is too big for that.

Louis

*****Post# 23011-10/14/2002-06:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: IMHO, the Halo of Heat design was more of a pain than it was worth. I knew a few people that had them and they seemed to be slow dryers - so I don't know if the fan was less powerful than others. I hated that lint screen at the back of the drum. You had bend down and into the dryer and remove a plastic cover to get at it. I suspect that people got tired of that very quickly. That was about as easy to work with as the idea of hiding the lint screen behind a small door that was behind the bottom access panel on the Philco Bendix dryers. The Halo of Heat design is no longer used and mercifully, Maytag has moved the lint filters to the front of the drum and widened the door opening considerably, although I do not remember when.

*****Post# 23012-10/14/2002-07:07 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Agitators (Fascinating)
MESSAGE: The reason why I've asked this question, I've ran across an Whirlpool washer without the control panel and inside there was a light tint blue agitator and white colored fabric softener dispenser that was still in the machine which I have never seen before!

This agitator was for a super capacity machine because of the tub size and I've removed them (tug-tug-pull because of rust) to bring them home!
______________________________________________________________

As for their updated Double Duty Surgilator,the wings on the skirt was placed in the wrong area IMO because, the power of the water current was off the edge of the blade and Whirlpool should have center the added wings on the blade area for faster upsweep of the water current!

Also, I believe that the Surgilator turns the clothes over just as fast as the Dual Action, even if the water lever is 1" above the Surgilator's blade!

This is one very powerful agitator in the belt drive machine and the new design Surgilator for the D/D was the worst of them all.

*****Post# 23013-10/14/2002-07:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (Halo-Of-Heat)
MESSAGE: You pretty much pegged the design pretty well, I use mine constantly and it does work fine but is better with larger loads than with small loads. The moisture sensing system on the fins is quite good and other than heavy seams on jeans, everything comes out perfectly dry. The other problem with the halo design was the possibility of coin or other small objects working their way into the element ring around the door opening and shorting out the electric element. To replace the element or felt seal, the enitre cabinet had to be removed to access them - quite a pain. Maytag changed the design sometime in the mid-70's and although there were more user friendly improvements made, gone were the porcelain drums, the heavy steel drum support, etc. Plusses and minuses...

*****Post# 23019-10/14/2002-08:43 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: MTM
MESSAGE: Speaking of the Beverly Hillbillies, does anyone know if the kitchen in Rob and Laura Petries (sp) had a dishwasher? Laura seemed to have upscale appliances, but I don't recall dishwasher or w/d(?)

*****Post# 23021-10/14/2002-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Timeline question
MESSAGE: On my Norge Timeline washer you turn the knob clockwise 1/4 of a turn to release the lock and then you slide the knob to the point in the cycle you want, then you turn the knob back counterclockwise to start the washer.

*****Post# 23022-10/14/2002-09:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (is it American?)
MESSAGE: ....and is it an American machine? That is the first time I've ever seen that. I did not know Thor ever offered a fully automatic machine. Do we know why it is called a "healing Thor"?

*****Post# 23023-10/14/2002-10:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: MTM
MESSAGE: I don't think Laura Petrie ever had a dishwasher since there would have been no room in the kitchen for one - and she always seemed to be doing dishes by hand anyway. But then so did June Cleaver, Donna Stone, Alice Mitchell, Lucy Ricardo, Edith Bunker and Natalie Lane.

The only van Dyke episode where I even remember a hint of a washer is the one where they are remembering the birth of Richie while they were living in a different house. There was an appliance opposite the back door which you could only see in profile. Since it had a pile of clothes on it I assumed it to be a washer - but couldn't tell what kind. Maybe a Hotpoint which would have been proper since Mary started her career as the singing and dancing appliance elf "Happy Hotpoint"...........

*****Post# 23024-10/14/2002-10:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (is it American?)
MESSAGE: I am guessing not American since they refer to the company as Healing Thor LTD. That usually is a British designation - - of course I could be wrong........

*****Post# 23026-10/14/2002-11:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Electric Door Fridge in New Jersey
MESSAGE: If anyone is interested, there is a bottom freezer Frigidaire with the electric door (like the one in Jon's basement) for sale on Ebay.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2061784795

*****Post# 23027-10/14/2002-11:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: Hi Mike!
I use a halo of heat dryer quite a bit. I did change the limit thermostats for the machine to dry a little cooler than Maytag intended. Seems towels come out fluffier when dried with less heat for a little longer. I have lots of the model 806's and of course, they are all Halo of Heat. I changed the limit thermos from 160 to 140. And now that FSP offers the varriable temp thermostats, I even have a few of the dryers at 130. The thinking of the time was the dryer should be very hot so as to "iron" the clothes while in the dryer. This thinking, while great for polyesters and knits, was terrible for cottons and blends that wrinkled excessively. I don't really notice that much difference in the drying time when drying a little cooler either. (A load of towels in about 45 minutes) One problem with the HOH dryer is when drying large articles like a rug or a single sheet, it seemed to stick to the lint screen in the back of the drum because of the fan suction, and even scortch sometimes. With the heat reduced, I've never had this happen. They really are my favorite dryer design and I think that's why there's still lots of them around....and the electronic drying part of the system is very dependable and the dryer dries quite consistantly within the load. No damp spots! Mark

*****Post# 23028-10/14/2002-11:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 AEG Lavalux (Must Have!!!!)
MESSAGE: LOL, no the spare room is not full yet, but the main reason is that there isn't a bed in it yet!

Since there is already a bid on it it's fortunately not going to the krusher.

Louis

*****Post# 23029-10/14/2002-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: I really like Greg's all button Maytag Halo of Heat dryer. You just push the button and everything comes out done perfectly!

*****Post# 23031-10/14/2002-12:46 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: MTM (I think.....)
MESSAGE: The Petries only had a dishwasher in the very first epsiodes, it was a Westinghouse top-load built in (like Greg Nunn's). I dont think that they showed it more than once or twice, before the apparently all gas kitchen came into use. SteveD

*****Post# 23032-10/14/2002-14:55 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Info On Westinghouse, Firgidaire, Electrolux etc...
MESSAGE: I have read here where some of you guys were interested in these companies and have dug up the info for you....AND....here it is! Hope you enjoy the reading. Mark
Westinghouse Household Appliances was sold to White Consolidated Industries in 1974.

In 1986, AB Electrolux, the world's top appliance maker, acquired White Consolidated Inc., with brands such as Frigidaire, Gibson, Tappan, Kelvinator, and White Westinghouse. Products included air conditioners, freezers, ovens, microwaves, refrigerators, washers, and dryers.Its Americold division made compressors for its own appliances as well as for other manufacturers. Frigidaire Home Products also included Poulan (chainsaws, blowers) and Weed Eater (lawn and garden equipment).The White Consolidated name was dropped in 2000.

White Consolidated Industries

18013-T Cleveland Pkwy., Suite 100

P.O. Box 35920
Cleveland, OH 44111-1601
Tel: 216-898-1800
Electrolux

www.electrolux.com

www.electrolux-usa.com

1-800-243-9078

email: customerservice@elux.com

The new Frigidaire Home Products was formed January 1, 1997 by uniting three sister companies in the White Consolidated Industries/AB Electrolux family -- American Yard Products, Frigidaire Company and Poulan/Weed Eater. Combined, we are the leading North American manufacturer of gas, electric and battery powered handheld outdoor power equipment, lawn mowers and lawn and garden tractors. We are also a significant producer of major appliances for the home including refrigerators, freezers, ranges, dishwashers, washers, dryers, room air conditioners and dehumidifiers. Our brand names are some of the best known and respected. Frigidaire, Tappan, White-Westinghouse, Gibson and Kelvinator in major appliances. Poulan, Weed Eater and Poulan Pro in lawn and garden products. Many of our products proudly bear the Sears Craftsman and Kenmore labels. We manufacture products for other leading retailers like Lowes, Home Depot, Wal Mart and Kmart.

This list has been compiled after receiving many inquires for products that are not relevant to our location. This list is intended as a "reference only."

Westinghouse EPD assumes no responsibility, nor endorses any of these sites.

Westinghouse Divisions

[ Home ] [ George Westinghouse ]

Hope you enjoyed! Mark

*****Post# 23033-10/14/2002-15:00 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: vintage air conditioners
MESSAGE: Do any of you guys know of a site I can find info on vintage window unit air conditioners? Especially the early models from the 1950's. Next to washers & dryers, they are my favorite vintage appliance. I enjoyed my grandmother's 1956 Westinghouse with a piston compressor that purred and puttered like a kitten. Damn thing weighed a ton, too!

*****Post# 23034-10/14/2002-15:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: So is this a Canadian machine then Eddy? Cool!

*****Post# 23035-10/14/2002-15:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Machines By Email
MESSAGE: I have rec'd 2 emails from people looking to get rid of old machines:

*****Post# 23037-10/14/2002-15:55 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines By Email
MESSAGE: Why would anyone want to get rid of a 1952 Kenmore? If I weren't clear across the country from L.A. in Atlanta and had a decent basement. I'd happily give that baby a good home.

*****Post# 23038-10/14/2002-17:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Its been a while
MESSAGE: I have been busy but I wanted to say to Uni and to Greg how much I enjoyed their pictures. The Frigidaire gallery looks great, esp the matching 1955 set!

*****Post# 23039-10/14/2002-17:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (I'm guessing Australia or New Zealand)
MESSAGE: I am pretty sure that I have seen adds for these brand of machine in old newspapers and magazines.

Also the price is in puonds and guenies (i cant even spell the word) which is what Australia used before converting to decimal currency in 1966.

*****Post# 23040-10/14/2002-18:18 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (I'm guessing Australia or New Zealand)
MESSAGE: You're right arrrooohhh, it's an ad from a 1960 magazine "program" of 'My Fair Lady' when it was playing in Melbourne. There were quite a few pages of advertising in it, and this was one of the ads. Thanks to a friend and co-worker of mine who lived in Australia many years ago for showing it to me.
Eddy

Hope you had some luck finding washers & dryers while at the junkyard.

Rich

*****Post# 23043-10/14/2002-20:03 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Parts Help
MESSAGE: Well, I finally got my WO-65 completely back together. She now runs like a top. The only part I really need is the DIAL KNOB, part #5433657 that holds the timer dial in place. If anyone has one to spare, I like to buy it from you. Thanks!

Rich

*****Post# 23044-10/14/2002-20:12 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Meeting with New Friends.......... (Waiting For an Update.)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, Thanks for responding to my post. Like you, it seems kind of lonely when messages go by un-noticed! I did find a couple of vintage appliances in the car junkyards in PA. The first was a Hamilton gas dryer, with a rectangular window in the door. It was at the top of the scrap pile, so not much interest in that. The other item I found was a beautiful aqua early 60's Frigidaire bottom freezer refrig. It was complete, but didnt have the gumption to haul it out of the yard. The only other thing that I found was an Thor semi-auto washer, but it was in bad shape. You had to look close just to see that it was a Thor. But I did get some great parts for my 1955 Packard! I just love junkyards!

*****Post# 23045-10/14/2002-20:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage air conditioners (i love the 'ole AC's too)
MESSAGE: do you happen to have a pic of your grandmother's?? Y'know you may want to keep an eye out in the "WANTAD" advertiser, its available on the internet > http://www.thewantad.com/

They have a ton of appliances in there and I know it may be painstaking to find something as you will have to probably call and get info about it but that is where I recently found my 1970 Whirlpool DW and I know they have alot of AC's listed in there too................hope this might help :) -gregm

*****Post# 23047-10/14/2002-20:31 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help ((me too))
MESSAGE: Wish I could help Rich. On a similar note I need a part as well. I finally picked up the WO-65 I purchased from John L. We brought it home from Cleveland Saturday evening. Other than the motor switch that may be need to be removed and cleaned, and the frayed power cord that has to be replaced, it seems to work fine. The only other part I need is a replacement agitator snap-on rubber detergent cup. Does anyone out there in Applianceville by chance have a spare I can purchase? If so, please let me know!
Thanks,
Ken

*****Post# 23049-10/14/2002-20:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Meeting with New Friends.......... (Waiting For an Update.)
MESSAGE: Un-noticed?? I thought you weren't going to be home until Wednesday! Sounds like you saw some neat things out there, too bad all the good stuff is so degraded from time in the weather, that Thor would be such a fun machine to have.

*****Post# 23050-10/14/2002-21:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help
MESSAGE: You have the dial plate itself right - just need the "pull to stop - push to start" knob? I an extra one of those, but not the dial itself.

*****Post# 23051-10/14/2002-21:23 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: More Pics!
MESSAGE: I got some more picturs uploaded tha I found. They are pretty interesting, Has anyone ever seen this washer and dryer for sale at a store? I have never seen these before. A common question when I tell people about the bubble washer is, "How does it clean clothes?" Well It just blows bubbles out of the screened bottom. (As you can see.) I also just got the same mini-basket and I am dieing to see it in action, If anyone has a movie of one I would love it!

Yes, just the knob was missing. The dial was still on the washer. It even had the original factory hoses. They got rid of the machine because the push/pull knob cracked and came apart such that they could not stop/start the machine.

On another note, sorry that I haven't got caught up on my mail before now. I did get that white 1-18 we talked about some time ago. It was just missing the bed of nails lint filter. I had an extra one and that machine runs like a top.

I also picked up an avocado 1-18. This lady's son bought her a new washer because she said this one leaked. I got it home, tried it out, and found no leak inside the machine. What WAS leaking was a pin hole in the cold water hose about one inch from where it connect to the machine. I called her son and told him what I found, but since he had already bought his mother a new washer, he said for me to just keep this one.

*****Post# 23055-10/14/2002-23:26 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pics!
MESSAGE: Wow, kewl! I didn't recognize the KA until the 2nd pic. I knew it was of the Whirlpool family from the dryer door and cabinet design, but thought perhaps it was a Kenmore. Now I vaguely recall seeing that set at the Sears in Westwood Mall in Houston.

*****Post# 23056-10/15/2002-00:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: MTM (I think.....)
MESSAGE: Steve,you're absolutely correct. She did have a Westy kitchen (electric) for a couple of episodes and the dishwasher as the 1961 or 1962 model (like what was across the street from me) with the power wash temp boost switch. The appliances were replaced with gas ones (Caloric is what they appeared to be).

*****Post# 23057-10/15/2002-01:23 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: a talking washing machine
MESSAGE: I know this doesn't fall under the category of vintage appliances, but I was wondering if anyone else has seen this website. Electrolux/Kelvinator has come out with a talking washing machine, would be more fun if it would cuss and swear instead!

LINK: http://www.electroluxkelvinator.com/washy_talky/index.htm

*****Post# 23058-10/15/2002-01:31 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pics!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics, Jamie. I would also like to see a movie of the mini-basket in action if anyone has one to share. I've included a link to the bubble washer page. The user manuals are in Russian, does anyone know if Acrobat Reader have a plug-in for translating Russian to English?

Thanks for the update, its interesting to hear how people react to different models, its the stuff that makes or breaks brands...

I think you where lucky in having a lot more choice than us, our first British made dryer was only produced in the 50`s and was never a regular feature in homes until 70`s / 80`s.

Mike

*****Post# 23060-10/15/2002-04:11 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (Halo-Of-Heat)
MESSAGE: In the Halo-of Heat dryers where the elements of the solid kind or coils of thin wire etc...

Mike

*****Post# 23061-10/15/2002-04:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Timeline question
MESSAGE: The UK Hotpoint Filter-Flow had a Timeline selector in the 70`s, this had a clockwise rotating control knob, which you advanced until the desired time and then pulled out to start.The Timeline moved from right to left.

When it advanced to the end of cycle it stopped one knotch short of the LHS, to reselect you moved it one knotch and it shot back to the RHS.

Were the Halo-of-Heat dryers hotter than gas dryers of the day??? interesting you saying about the thinking hotter was better,

I think that was the reason Servis dryers where popular because the wattage was 1.8kw (dont laugh, our dryers where only 24inch square)with higher airflow whereas other manufacturers where 2.5 to 3kw and where a lot hotter.

Although our dryers did have thermostat control usually on the low delicate heat, its only recently that sensor drying has taken off.

Mike

*****Post# 23063-10/15/2002-06:46 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pics!
MESSAGE: These are abvioulsy the same as the Daewoo machines who manufacture the air bubble washer in Korea and have been sold in Australia as Daewoo and NEC.

It is really quite pointless. Its sounds really good but they use a hideous amount of water, 248 litres for a claimed load of 8kg. A Neptune also claims an 8kg capacity and uses 100 litres to complete a cycle. That is really obscene in a drought stricken country like Australia.

My pic starred a cat and a Gentle Annie, but the lid was up so the pic didn't show any detail of the washer.

Chris.

*****Post# 23065-10/15/2002-07:11 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help (Which One?)
MESSAGE: I need the original black rubber pulsator cap. It's an aluminum "suds distributor," but I believe the black rubber cap fits on it. Do you have one?? I'm getting excited. Respond quickly please!
Also, on the subject of you 1960's machine. I've got some brand new (in the box) Jet-Action agitators I bought from an appliance dealer locally. Let me know if you need one! I'll be happy to help.
Ken

*****Post# 23066-10/15/2002-07:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (I'm guessing Australia or New Zealand)
MESSAGE: The "Healing" name lives on (sort of).
The Victorian (the state I live in, Melbourne is the capital city) agent for Bendix and Thor to this day is ... Healco Appliances.
Chris.

*****Post# 23067-10/15/2002-07:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pics! (GE Mini Basket)
MESSAGE: You pictures of the GE are fun - would you believe I've never seen a mini-basket in action? I had a mid-60's GE washer years ago, with the black spiral agitator, but I didn't have the mini-basket for it. Someday....

*****Post# 23068-10/15/2002-07:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: a talking washing machine
MESSAGE: I have a feeling with people like us, we'll be hearing "close the lid!" a bunch of times.

*****Post# 23069-10/15/2002-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday
MESSAGE: Steve, Rhinne and Steve's parents came in last night for a quick visit on their way home from a vacation in Branson, MO last week. Steve brought a trailer and took home five machines and brought one for me. For himself, he took the 57 Maytag AMP washer and the yellow Frigidaire I aquired last week (you were right Bob, it wasn't an exact match, but close enough!) and for Peter, he took the 1960 Kelvinator (similar to today's POD) the 59 Frigidaire Filtrator dryer and the 53 Bendix dryer. Steve brought one of the Quietline combos for me to play with (thanks again Steve!) We had a nice but short visit, time only to load the trailer and dinner but sadly, we didn't have time to do any washing. They are back on the road early this morning and should be home sometime Wednesday evening. I did a load of was in the 57 and dried it in the 55 Filtrator last night even though he wasn't here to enjoy it - we needed some clean clothes!

*****Post# 23071-10/15/2002-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Let's Keep On Topic - Please
MESSAGE: Just a reminder to keep to the topic of classic/vintage appliances on this board - anything newer than 15-20 years or non-appliance related needs to be in the sandbox. Here's a link for those who don't have it, we set this up for off-topic conversations to save the bandwidth of this website for it's intended purpose and the sandbox/hamper for all the other fun stuff - new appliances, relationships, pets, etc.

Sorry but I don't have any of the black pulsator caps. There were caps at two different times on eBay. I believe that both auctions were won by Applianceville members. Hope you are able to find one soon.

*****Post# 23074-10/15/2002-12:10 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: 1955 GE
MESSAGE: I recently saw a photo of a 1955 GE dryer that matches the 55 Filter Flo washer I used to have. In case anybody is interested, it's in member "pumper"'s link section under "Phoenix Graveyard" image 027.

Do any of you GE experts happen to know what year the pink set is that's pictured in this same photo album? I'm guessing a 56.

*****Post# 23075-10/15/2002-12:30 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: PeterH770 Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Peter, where did you get the 57 Imperial washer you have that is like the one my aunt had? You directed me to your photo album of it a few weeks ago. In one of the photos, it's wrapped in plastic and looks brand new. I assume you still have it up and it's up and running. It's a real beautie.

I have a Westinghouse L-5 Set that I rescued from a house recently. Both units work, but I'm confused about the dryer - it doesn't seem to have a vent. How's this thing supposed to work? Also, on the washer cabinet, there is a cutout in the metal in the area behind the door that looks like there was some sort of control there once. Both units are in storage, so I don't have any pics at the moment, but I will try to get some if that will help solve the mysteries.

Dan

*****Post# 23077-10/15/2002-14:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: PeterH770 Frigidaire (WI-56)
MESSAGE: The '57 title was a typo; the machine is really a '56. I won it in a heated auction on eBay. It was wrapped in plastic from the shipping from Ann Arbor, MI. It is nearly brand new, but needs a new torque spring and tub seal before I can use it. I'll probably cart it to the 'mat to work on while I'm hanging out there on the weekends -- heaven knows I'm not getting anything done at home!

The washer is a Maytag, model A207, purchased on 10/8/73 (this guy NEVER threw out a piece of paper!). The dryer is a Montgomery Ward Signature Automatic Dryer, model LNC7734, which was purchased on 9/28/73. I'm actually using both still, until the new ones arrive, so they're in good shape. We're located in Silver Spring, Maryland (yes, sniper alley). Any people you know of around here who might be interested?

If interested, drop me a line and I'll put you in touch with this person...

-ph

*****Post# 23081-10/15/2002-14:49 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: Hi Mike!
The dryer elements in the halo of heat dryers were the standard coil type and are sill available today. They are installed around a shroud that is connected to the front of the cabinet of the dryer and I personally have never had the experience of one burning out. The design keeps the entire element fairly cool. As was said earlier though, when you pull the shroud, there's quite a collection of change in the bottom even though the shroud is open all the way around the drum. Two screws come out of the bottom front, a few wires are disconnected, and you just tilt and pull the front out and away from the cabinet. Really pretty easy to fix the element if needed without uninstalling the dryer or even pulling it out from the wall. The gas dryers I have absolutely no experience with. I've been burnt too many times with gas appliances and for that reason, won't have them in the house.

*****Post# 23082-10/15/2002-14:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help (Which One?)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken!
I would love one of those Jet Action agitators if you have a spare one. Let me know how much and the shipping costs. Thanks! Mark

*****Post# 23083-10/15/2002-15:04 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 GE
MESSAGE: ApplianceMax? Is this primarily a vintage machine store? I will head out there this Saturday and check ot out. Thanks, Peter.

*****Post# 23084-10/15/2002-15:07 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: Was their a reason the 49 inimatic had a white tub with perforations rather than the solid tub Frigidaire used from 50 and on? I was rather surprised to see the white tub in the photos.

*****Post# 23085-10/15/2002-15:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 GE
MESSAGE: No, it is just a used appliance store. They also have an Easy Spindryer and I think a GE monitor top.

-ph

*****Post# 23086-10/15/2002-15:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: It is a perforated basket/liner attached to the solid tub. Maytag and Philco had the same design. Both the basket and the solid tub spin together. I think you can see the bolts that hold them together in some of the pics.

-ph

*****Post# 23087-10/15/2002-15:30 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Little California Kenmore
MESSAGE: That 52 Kenmore is a real beauty. I remember seeing the matching dryer in one of the graveyard pics. One of you guys should grab this boy up. Peter, thanks for posting the link. The pics are great. Good close-up of agitator and timer control.

*****Post# 23088-10/15/2002-15:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Little California Kenmore
MESSAGE: The matching dryer is up on the SD farm - this is just like set that ImperialBob has in his basement.

My grandmother had this washer and dryer but got rid of the washer in 1957 and bought a Maytag. She kept the dryer and it was still running in 1987 when we sold the house after they both passed away.

*****Post# 23089-10/15/2002-15:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-5 Set
MESSAGE: I have this same set - is there a screen on the back of the dryer? Orginally, the dryer would have had a lint screen on the back right side. When you opened the door at the end of the cycle, the screen popped up to remind you to clean it before the next load. I don't have this dryer installed right now, but I removed the screen and installed a standard vent to the outside when I did use it.

I'm not sure what you are seeing with the cutout behind the door though...

*****Post# 23090-10/15/2002-15:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: My DE906 Halo of Heat dryer has two screws in the front, two at the back and three on each side at the bottom of the cabinet that all must be removed to gain access to the element shroud. The dryer must be pulled from the wall and enough space allowed to remove the cabinet from the base. It was quite a nasty job to get that cabinet back onto the base and screws back in - I was doing it with my Launderall dealer as I had a 90 day warranty when I bought that set and the felt drum seal lost it's glue and jumped into the element! It would have been so much easier if they had just designed the top to swing up! I wonder if the earlier models would have been a little different to get the cabinet off. They did change the cabinet design in the later years.

*****Post# 23091-10/15/2002-15:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Little California Kenmore
MESSAGE: I would love to have this washer, but I already have a 57 Lady Kenmore that needs 40 hours of work and I have no room! If it were closer....

*****Post# 23092-10/15/2002-15:43 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: Maytag AMP
MESSAGE: I have been reading all the postings and looking at all the pictures really great. I have a question on the old maytag AMP's. In college in 1968 my wife and I purchased an old maytag just like in unimati1140's collection but it had the small agaitor with no float. We purchased this for $20.00 at an appliance place and they had several maytags with the float and mercury switches but sales ladys said this was one of the first and that the float and mercury swtichs had givens lots of problems. With this machine you could leave the lid up to see the wash. My wife says she remembers the agaitator looking like a maytag wringer washer. Regretabally we left it in apartment when we graduated in 1972. It had washed for us and about 5 friends.

*****Post# 23093-10/15/2002-16:28 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Little California Kenmore
MESSAGE: I thought the restoration on the 57 Lady was complete. She sure looks like she was washing great in your photos.

The agitator and tub in the 52 Kenmore seems to be the same as in the 53 that one of you boys has. The main change I can see is that in 53 they moved the controls to a back panel instead of being on the front of the washer like the 52. This agitator also looks identical to the ones in the Whirlpools of the same period except the 52 or 53 Whirlpool (not sure which) had a red cap on the black agitator.

*****Post# 23094-10/15/2002-17:00 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: In unimatic's album he has a 49 Frigidaire with the black solid tub like the 1950 model whereas in another photo I saw the 49 with the white perforated tub. Why did Frigidaire offer two tubs the same year? I can't see any other differences in the two. Same agitator, same control mounted on the front rather than the back panel (like the 1950 does). Was there any other difference in these two 49'ers other than the tubs?

The 1957 Lady Kenmore Washer that you are probably referring to belongs to "Unimatic 1140". Uni has this same exact washer. Uni has restored his last year. That's the one that's working. Gansky has the same exact washer, but right now, his is in terrible shape, and that's the one that needs a lot of work.

*****Post# 23098-10/15/2002-18:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (I used a Gas Version for about 3 years.)
MESSAGE: Hello Mark,
I had the gas version of this dryer in a house that I rented when I first moved to Atlanta 13 years ago. It was an amazing dryer. Great even drying, and very fast. I did have the problem when I dryed one pair of sheets with them getting stuck on the back lint filter. The dryer however would shut off, and you had to actually pull the sheet that got stuck out of the filter and then restart it. I wonder now if the high limit switch would just stop the dryer totally.
When I would dry more than just one set of sheets, I would not have this problem.
When I moved, I asked the landlord to sell me the set because I liked them so much. She did not want to, because it was the first washer/dryer that they bought when they were married. It was a yellow set.
Brent

*****Post# 23099-10/15/2002-18:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing?
MESSAGE: Robert,
I was thinking about your set that you sent with Sony Pictures. Do they still have them, or do you have them back?
If they have them, are you still on pins and needles about them having your babies?
I hope it was well worth it for you!
Brent

*****Post# 23100-10/15/2002-19:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: Robert can fill in the details, but the tub design was changed sometime in '49 to the newer, familiar dark porcelain solid tub. I believe the reason was the spin harmonizer (a circular balancing mechanism under the old style tub with steel bands that adjusted for off balance conditons) was causing problems and the newer tub eliminated that. The newer style tubs had a ballast ring at the top of the tub.

I would imagine that the newer, solid tub was cheaper to produce as well...

Yes, mine came from the South Dakota farm this last May and is slated for work either this winter or next spring. But the lights work!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/1957+Lady+Kenmore&.src=ph&.dnm=We+have+lights.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/1957%2bLady%2bKenmore%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23102-10/15/2002-20:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...???? (I used a Gas Version for about 3 years.)
MESSAGE: That is so strange - I've never had anything get stuck on the filter, in my '67 I have now or the earlier '63 turquoise one either, ever. I've never read anything about this in the Maytag service literature either. Interesting....

*****Post# 23103-10/15/2002-21:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Little California Kenmore (Lesto (in reference to 1957 Lady Kenmore Washer)......)
MESSAGE: It's quite a coincidence two of you found the exact same model Lady. I hope the agitator shaft and all the other mechanisms aren't completely frozen up like the other 57 Lady was. Good luck with her. I'll look forward to pics as you go along. And thanks for the info about the tubs in the 49 Frigi.

*****Post# 23104-10/15/2002-21:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire rinses
MESSAGE: The 49 and 50 models have two separate rinse cycles so I assume this was in lieu of the later single overflo rinse and I guess this means these earlier machines don't pump fresh water into the tub as it pulsates. Is this a correct assumption on my part and what year did Frigidaire introduce the spray at the end of the wash cycle and the overflo rinse? The timer on the 55 only has one rinse. Was this the first year for those two functions?

*****Post# 23106-10/15/2002-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag AMP (The A4MP)
MESSAGE: That was the Maytag A4MP model, the bottom of the line machine from 1955 with a timed fill and floatless agitator, without any lid switch.

*****Post# 23107-10/15/2002-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing?
MESSAGE: I just got the check today for the rental, but I will not cash it nor will I send Hollywood that very rare washer and dryer set until I get a signed rental agreement from Sony Pictures.

Apparently some actress name Julia Robert's will be using them, but I'm not sure exactly who that is, but people have been telling me she's quite popular these days. I generally don't pay much attention to movie stars.

*****Post# 23108-10/15/2002-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire rinses
MESSAGE: In 1952 with the introduction of model WO-65-2 Frigidaire introduced their version of the overflow rinse.

*****Post# 23109-10/15/2002-22:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing?
MESSAGE: Be VERY careful with Sony Pictures -- they are a nasty bunch of people, out for NOBODY but themselves.

*****Post# 23112-10/16/2002-00:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: Wasn't there also an issue with more sheer garments getting torn as they spun at that high speed and the holes in the tub?

Yes I saw these (and put them in my collection) when they were posted a while ago. I love them. Whilst I didn't know anyone who owned these machines I loved looking at them in the shops. Back in the 60's a lot of electrical stores in Australia demonstrated washing machines with water suds and clothes. So your terrific pics flooded back deep seated memories. Thanks a lot.

*****Post# 23116-10/16/2002-06:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Semi Auto (cat pics)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the encouraging words Chris. I'm not in any hurry for another relationship but it would be great to find someone with the "agitator gene" as Lesto puts it.

Greg

*****Post# 23117-10/16/2002-06:22 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (FRIGIDAIRE KITCHEN)
MESSAGE: I love the color's of this kitchen. The copper hood to give it more style!
Is this the same model dishwasher that Robert has in his kitchen? Also, I think that there was a green one at the convention at John's warehouse with Robert's name on it.
Brent

Thanks for the wise thoughts. There was no third party involved (I think) but there was a lot of emotional energy committed in these last six or so years. We'll still stay supportive friends but no retry for me! Happy washing

Greg

*****Post# 23119-10/16/2002-06:31 ||| Brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (I thought they had them now! )
MESSAGE: Oh,
I thought that they had your set now.
Julia Robert's - didn't she play Alice on the Brady Bunch? :)
Hope everything works out for you, and you feel comfortable about it.
Brent

*****Post# 23120-10/16/2002-07:17 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: Julia Roberts was in that movie steel magnolias, did you ever see that movie.

*****Post# 23121-10/16/2002-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-5 Set
MESSAGE: Yup - that would be it! I never use that feature...

*****Post# 23123-10/16/2002-07:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Shipping)
MESSAGE: Will you brace the tub/mechanism of the washer for shipping and moving around on the set?

*****Post# 23126-10/16/2002-10:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Unimatic's 1947 Frigidaire link
MESSAGE: Robert, when I click on to your link titled "pictures of the very first Frigidaire washing machine (1947)" a different link comes up. It's the same link as one of your other ones that contains various folders but none of the 47. Do you have pics of the 47 somewhere else besides the one of the tub after a spindry cycle that's in a convention album? Perhaps a close-up of the controls?
Or is the print on the cycle timer identical to the one on the 1950?

*****Post# 23127-10/16/2002-10:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: Was that the movie about the men who performed dressed as women who drove around Australia in a bus? I didn't know that "Julia Roberts" was one of their stage names...

*****Post# 23129-10/16/2002-11:04 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Check this link out and you will see pictures of her. I think you are confusing this with another movie
LINK: http://www.geocities.com/steelmagnolias4life/pictures.html

*****Post# 23130-10/16/2002-11:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: I'm really surprised, as I've never run in to this cabinet design. All of the ones that I have, the two screws at the front bottom of the cabinet are removed, and the front lifts up and away after disconnecting the wires. Nothing has to be moved and access is gained just as in the washer. hhmmmmm very interesting. Mark

*****Post# 23131-10/16/2002-11:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing?
MESSAGE: Uhhh, that doesn't tell me much Glenn, is there something I need to know?

*****Post# 23135-10/16/2002-11:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Thanks Doug, I don't recognize Julia Roberts, but you can't go by me, I know absolutely nothing about movies or movie stars. I'm sure I will remember her after seeing her with my Frigidaire set though. Although if Sony doesn't send me a signed contract stating what will happen if the machines are returned damaged or not returned at all, then I will rip the check up and the set will stay safe and sound here in Minnie in my basement. I told them I wanted the $$$$ as well a signed rental agreement before I will ship them the machines, but sure enough they only sent the $$$$. I wasn't born yesterday (that's for sure :)

*****Post# 23136-10/16/2002-11:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Shipping)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I don't have any way to do that without having the original shipping braces. And I really don't feel like having to start a new project designing and building some elaborate system to hold the mechanism. It should be fine, that machine and others like it have traveled quite a ways laying on its side and it was just fine. This will be traveling upright and and packed very well.

*****Post# 23137-10/16/2002-11:41 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Julia Roberts is a wonderful actress and quite talented. She was once married to the country singer.....can't think of his name right now. She's been in lots of movies, and after reading an interview of her and Cher a couple of years ago(they are close friends) they were relating how Julia does her own washing and ironing while Cher gave that up YEARS ago! So....seems Julia might just be a regular gal like us! LOL!!! Robert, I would get a $10,000 cashier's check as insurance to be cashed if the set was not returned by a certain date. Get everything in writing, and have an attorney look at everything. It would be terrible to lose track of such a wonderful set as this. You know they're not easilly (if at all) replaceable. Mark

*****Post# 23138-10/16/2002-11:44 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (A Hint)
MESSAGE: ...now this one threw me....I thought it was a KitchenAid too since it had the timer dial at the bottom and that kind of door lever. Did any other manufacturer put the timer there? Mark

*****Post# 23139-10/16/2002-11:55 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing?
MESSAGE: Sony is currently on a rampage against theaters, demanding control over the littlest details on how tickets are sold -- I mean PHYSICALLY designed, numbered, and dispensed to the customers. The procedure they want is virtually impossible for modern multi-screen theaters to comply with, particularly those that sell tickets days in advance. Sony apparently has some some suits sitting at a desk who have no clue how things work in the real world.

Make sure EVERYTHING is spelled out in a contact -- including making them responsible for any and all damage to your property and specifying how much compensation. I suggest that you do not turn your property over to them until all the terms are final -- but I recall that they've already picked up the machines? YOU have something they want, so don't let THEM be in control.

*****Post# 23140-10/16/2002-11:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: She was married to Lyle Lovett.

Actor Eric Roberts is her brother. Last I heard, they don't get along.

*****Post# 23141-10/16/2002-12:13 ||| COMBOBOY (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: EARLY FRIG D/W
MESSAGE: Robert, do you have pix of the inside of the built in 50's frig d/w? Did it use a tower system? Do you have any pix of the early pre-dm tappans that used that screwy "revolving drum" wash system?

*****Post# 23142-10/16/2002-12:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Yep! Lyle Lovett. They divorced before they were married even a year as I recall. Haven't heard much about him after that as he wasn't that good and he looked really goofy. Mark

*****Post# 23143-10/16/2002-12:22 ||| COMBOBOY (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Early GAS a/c
MESSAGE: Looked at a mid 50's house for sale and the heat/cool system was an Arkla Serval, gas fired, water cooled absorption unit. It had it's own mini cooling tower in the back yard. The unit still worked but the home owner was honest about the huge cost of the water in the summer (due to evaporation). She said the unit was put in 1957 and had only had two repairs, both times the heat exchanger for the cool side had failed. I have tried to find info on the unit but to no avail. Can anybody suggest source. The interesting thing was that even the heat side was accomplished with warm water thru heat exchanger not the usual air to air system.

*****Post# 23144-10/16/2002-12:34 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Robert, make sure you get the signed agreement and think about getting it notarized. Movie crews here in Canada have been notorious with not returning things or damaging them. One local recycler told me of the movie people coming in and paying $1000 CDN for a vintage Westinghouse Laundromat, only to throw it out afterward. They don't care about the money, just as long as they get their shoot in.
Eddy

*****Post# 23145-10/16/2002-12:48 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic's 1947 Frigidaire link
MESSAGE: Thanks again, Robert. It's a honey of a machine. I love how it fills between the two tubs. That's how a stackable Whirlpool I once had at an apartment filled. Did Frigidaire make a matching dryer in 47?

According to the Hollywood trade papers, this film "Mona Lisa Smile" takes place in 1953 at and around Wellesley College. I was wondering, did the production company say anything to you about their interest in other vintage appliances for use in the movie?

Darryl

*****Post# 23147-10/16/2002-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Shipping)
MESSAGE: Or if you want, they sell a sort of styrofoam holder at the Uhaul. The center fits over the agitator (pulsator) and there are four arms that extend out to hold the tub in place. I put one in the 1960 Frigidaire when it was moved. It was $5 or $6, I think.

*****Post# 23148-10/16/2002-15:23 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: What Washer Is This...????
MESSAGE: I dry my clothes with a Maytag Halo-of-Heat DE806 S/N 385500 QD. No timer to mess with, dial-selected automatic drying works good. Any way to tell from the S/N when that was manufactured?

Also have a Maytag 120V apartment-size dryer that uses the exact same door and lint filter. Last I used it 4 years ago I installed a new power cord and blower belt, and it worked good. Took longer to dry than it's 240V big brother, so didnt use it much. Missing original timer knob. If anyone's interested in it, consider selling it. Near Allentown, PA .

*****Post# 23149-10/16/2002-15:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Mark, she was married to Lyle Lovett. She actually does sound like a rather interesting person, as movie stars go, and I have always enjoyed the movies of hers I have seen.

*****Post# 23150-10/16/2002-16:24 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: This is very interesting that someone would save this and not use it period. It still works! As they say. Any ideas on what kind of Maytag this rally is?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062572606

*****Post# 23151-10/16/2002-16:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Shipping)
MESSAGE: I'm starting to get a little skeptical of this whole rental thing, remember when I had the set designer come look at my 58 Frigidaire range, everyone then was telling me not to do it and a few horror stories went along with the warnings...

I didn't know they sold these holders - I was thinking of some styrofoam packing underneath around the mechanism and maybe some wire disconnections so they couldn't be used just to be safe. You know Julia won't know how to load it properly even if she does do her own washing! ;-)

I'm going to have a look at one of those packing holders, it would be nice to have for even working on the machine. When a unimatic needs to be laying on it's side for repairs that take longer than a couple of hours, I always block the tub with a 2x4 so it won't hang on the mechanism support - no need for any stress on them as I have no spares. Thanks for the tip Scott!

*****Post# 23152-10/16/2002-16:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: What is a "Circa"? I'm not familiar with this term for Maytags and you've mentioned this before...

You could email the seller and find out what the model number is - I might have a pictue of it in the service books or sales literature somewhere.

*****Post# 23153-10/16/2002-16:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: An "E2L" is a Maytag wringer washer, in particular the square one with the aluminum-lined tub and hinged lid.

*****Post# 23154-10/16/2002-17:29 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag AMP (The A4MP)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info on the AMP we thought we were wrong about ours as it has been so long. Was a good washer but have never had a Maytag since bought a used raprid dry Frigidaire and matching dryer (gas) used for several years then a Wards from Westinghouse (awful) a hotpoint with the two agitators and now a Kenmore.

*****Post# 23155-10/16/2002-17:30 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: 1959 Whirlpool Imperial Washer
MESSAGE: What was the width of the 1959 Whirlpool Imperial washer? From what I've seen in the photo I found in one of the directories, looks like it has to be about 30" inches or more. That thing is a beast! I also noticed the Norge Timeline Dryer also had this larger form factor.
Would love to see a set of these together. I guess I am a size queen after all.
Wider is better!
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0YQAAAGIi52evel2ghS94Mb7*8ok4jOyeeXsnaBdFvfev5*I3fkP9CJMvmPQuq*t0ZWqOWxDYQGVCRqBSZENwTlMjL4Oq0CrPDcuvlPaoQ7QGS8rgkd05hxvCWLO*oa7iZCyyhfrlUq0OBvmAkbMbgw/Whirlpool-Imperial-Washer-1959.jpg

*****Post# 23156-10/16/2002-17:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: OH - I guess it does say that in the item title doesn't it? Hee hee.....

I'll bet it would be a nice find if it's in good shape, not necessarily collectible per se, but the price is right if you need a wringer.

*****Post# 23157-10/16/2002-17:50 ||| Traceylynn (fairfax, va)
SUBJECT: ODIN STOVE and GM FRIGIDAIRE
MESSAGE: looking for ANY info on how to get info on an ODIN Stove and a GM frigidaire. Can't locate a model or serial no. on the frige, but stove has ODIN Stove Mfg Inc stove no. 131954W 1.
Gas on left, 3 baking compartments in front
fridge has no freezer just a small freezer in center on top for 2 ice trays and a small ice bucket.
thanks to any with any info

*****Post# 23158-10/16/2002-19:15 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Actually I heard her say she does her own laundry!)
MESSAGE: Hello Greg,
I saw Julia on a interview once, and she was being asked now with her fame did she have servants and such. Her exact words were: "I would let someone clean my house, but NOT do my laundry. I love to do laundry. It is like therapy for me."
I doubt as you said though that she has ever used a Frigidare set before from that era. (Circa)
Hey, who knows though, that beautiful set of Robert's might plant that seed as it has in all of us!
Brent

Can anyone please tell me how a cat is on topic?
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

*****Post# 23161-10/16/2002-19:41 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: Circa is a date term. It means around a certain date that cant be pinpointed exactly.

So a circa 1960 Maytag could be a 1959 or a 1961 model.

Then again we could be way off.

*****Post# 23162-10/16/2002-19:56 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: WO-65 advice
MESSAGE: A new electrical cord, with ground, was attached to the 1952 Frigidaire washer to give it more of a test run.
It didn't get very far on its own. The improved wire connection helped, however the timer didn't budge. It looks like the timer will need to be rebuilt. I was just wondering if perhaps there is anything that I can do to try to repair it on my own. Dissasembly and cleaning perhaps.
Any thoughts anyone?
Ken

*****Post# 23163-10/16/2002-20:51 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Whirlpool Imperial Washer (size...)
MESSAGE: Hi "tech", I have a '56 Whirlpool Imperial Washer and a '54 Norge Time line dryer, they both indeed weigh a ton and not sure on the width of the washer but the dryer is I think 32" but not sure...........http://photos.yahoo.com/gregm978

*****Post# 23164-10/16/2002-20:55 ||| gregm (Worcester, Massachusetts)
SUBJECT: RE: ODIN STOVE and GM FRIGIDAIRE (info at...)
MESSAGE: Have you tried www.antiqueappliances.com?? they seem to specialize in old stoves and frig's, I bet they can answer or point you in the right direction... good luck......-gregm

*****Post# 23165-10/16/2002-22:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Actually I heard her say she does her own laundry!)
MESSAGE: Well, Julia is a girl after my own heart! That is one thing that I refuse to let our maid do...the laundry. I won't even let her do the linens. First of all, she wouldn't do it correctly, and second, it is the one household chore I rather enjoy. And it is good therapy after a long hard day to do a load of wash...better than TV. One of us needs to write to Julia and instruct her on the proper way to load a Unimatic Frigidaire. For the sake of the movie's authenticity, she should be seen loading her sheets into the washer like ribbon candy, and the other items into four quadrants. ha-ha
Rich

*****Post# 23168-10/16/2002-22:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: vintage "dishwasher"
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember these? A neighbor had one and I thought it was so cool. A definite must for any vintage kitchen redo. I haven't seen one since probably the 70s and had no idea they were still made!
LINK: http://www.dishmaster-faucet.com/dishmast76.htm

*****Post# 23169-10/16/2002-22:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Special delivery
MESSAGE: And then, I get two special deliveries! One was a Kelvinator washer, a Bendix dryer and a 59 Filtrator, brought by Special Delivery Person Steve 1-18. The second delivery, well, click below...

Congratulations on getting your machine home, you must be so thrilled!

Sounds like you might have a bad timer motor. You might be able to take the timer motor off and take it to your parts shop you found to look for another - the owner should know if he has one around, even from another model machine, the timer motor was the same for all models 1947-1955. I took a motor from a 55 pulsamatic timer I had lying around and used it, worked just fine. If that doesn't pan out, you can call Midwest Timer Service and hopefully get a whole timer from them. 5430777 is the timer part number you'll need for MTS when you call - that is the complete timer assembly, the timer motor itself is 5876637 for all 1947 thru 1955 washer models.

Were you able to get the machine to spin? If the start switch is bad, you will hear a kind of stuttering in the mechanism/motor and it may trip the overload protector as the motor is drawing too much current and not bringing the tub up to full speed within 25 seconds.

Good luck and keep us posted on your new 'baby'!!

*****Post# 23171-10/16/2002-23:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning
MESSAGE: Cannot find server error coming up now - I did see the first pic of the machines lined up in the driveway.

Was that your neighbor I saw with the grenade launcher in the bushes?? Hee hee...

*****Post# 23172-10/16/2002-23:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning
MESSAGE: Ahh, so it's not just me. I'm getting the same "cannot find server." I can back up to the start of the photo album, but the folders in it won't open.

I also saw the first pic . . then my 'puter blue-screened, which RARELY happens.

*****Post# 23175-10/17/2002-00:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: Yes, and she used a Kenmore or Whirlpool dryer in one scene!!!

*****Post# 23177-10/17/2002-00:18 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: When and where is the next convention going to be held?
MESSAGE: Yes, I have the "agitator" gene. Would love to meet all of you guys on Applianceville at the next convention.
When and where is it going to be?
-Alex

*****Post# 23178-10/17/2002-00:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-5 Set (weight to what?)
MESSAGE: Westinghouse had a scale built in to the door on frontloaders, and later, toploaders, with a gauge that matched up the weight of the load with the correct water level.

*****Post# 23179-10/17/2002-00:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts here is the movie I am talking about)
MESSAGE: Lyle fell & broke his leg withihn the last two years. He is a Texas A&M alumni and performed for a fundraiser for the bondfire collapse tragedy with the broken limb. I work with Aggies, it's a curse LOL.

*****Post# 23180-10/17/2002-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GAS a/c
MESSAGE: We had this same system installed in our new house in 1961. Replaced with same system in 1965 due to heat exchanger probs. Yes it's a water hogg. Used to kill water presssure on the cold water rinse fills on the 1970 Kenmore 800 during the summer.
LINK: http://, replaced in 1965 due to heat exchanger problems. I was too young to remember much about it. All I can say is yes, it's a water hogg ihn the summer--lowered water pressure on the 1970 Kenmore cold water rinse fills.

*****Post# 23182-10/17/2002-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Actually I heard her say she does her own laundry!)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't let a maid do my laundry or run my dishwasher either. But I do need a maid, my house is a disaster. Anyone know of a Bear that fits the bill?

*****Post# 23184-10/17/2002-06:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: She did? I have seen that movie and I don't ever remember Julia using any laundry appliance....

*****Post# 23185-10/17/2002-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: I don't think so either - the only laundry appliances I've ever noticed were the GE set in (Sally Field's) laundry room/pantry and another GE dryer on porch as Annelle (Darryl Hannah) is walking to Truvy's in the beginning. Annelle was taking towels out of Truvy's dryer, but there was no clear view of the laundry in that scene.

Also, when Annelle is asking "what is this in my Frigidaire?" and opens the fridge door to take the can of beer and pour it out the back door, it wasn't a Frigidaire, it was a Westy or Philco...

I had a roommate and my sister that were nuts about that movie and used to watch over and over.

*****Post# 23186-10/17/2002-07:34 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: POD & PETERH'S PINKYS, and whirlpool widths.
MESSAGE: Does anyone know anything about the washer that is todays POD? It looks curiously like my Bendix Dialamatic rubber tub washer, which features a METEXALOY rubber tub, whereas the POD machine uses a resilloy flex a tub....I'm betting this is a similar machine only made by the Crosley company instead of Bendix....Can anyone confirm my suspicion?

Also, Great looking little Pink Westhinghouse space mates, Peter. My washer looked just that bad coming in too, but with a new door boot, new sump hose, and new belts, I'll bet the old thing will still run. Do be careful, though, and observe that the rotation of this machine is opposite that of the standard 3 belt westinghouse washer, and so, the speed change pulley is actually 'keyed' in the opposite direction so that it will pull tight during spin with the motor turning in the opposite direction from what you may be used to seeing in standard 3 belt westinghouses. In other words, if you need a new speed change pulley, the one that's currently available will not work properly, although it will appear to fit, and will work somewhat.

Also, YES, that '52 Kenmore from yesterday is just like mine, of which I am currently running the pair as part of my laundry team. At this time, I can run 4 automatic washers simultaneously, as well as 3 dryers, not to mention the Equator combo upstairs as well....

Another question....Is the '53 Whirlpool washer not just as wide as the '59 Lady Kenmore? I do believe it is. GREGM - take a ruler or tape measure and find out! Anyone can say, I guess or I think it is, but that's just a waste of time and air. Take a physical measurement and get back to us.
GregM....I haven't heard you mention my old Lady lately, and we have YET to see the new paint job. If you don't like the washer, bring it back. I'll gladly buy it back from you, because I LOVED that washer, and still miss it. It would help me to see a photo of it, back together, whole, and with paint on.

ALSO, by the way, today's my 40th birthday, which I feared I would not see some years ago. Happy Birthday to me. Did you all know I'm an HIV+ guy, with way less than 200 t-cells for years........yes. I'm still under 200 t-cells today, but I'm feeling better and expect to live, since I have been maintaining and undetectible viral load now for nearly 2 years.

*****Post# 23187-10/17/2002-07:40 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery (oooh Peter!!)
MESSAGE: They're gorgeous! How nice of Steve to send a house warming gift! And in PINK TOO! Were they the set from ebay?? I think Larry has one boot left for that machine give him a call. I've got to get GregM to drive down with me and we can play in your car port!!!!!!!!!!!!
jet

*****Post# 23188-10/17/2002-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: WOW - those are so beautiful! I have never seen the center panel with the access door for the connections, that's interesting.

These are great Peter, congratulations!

*****Post# 23189-10/17/2002-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD & PETERH'S PINKYS, and whirlpool widths. (Happy Birthday Bob!)
MESSAGE: You are right,that POD washer is a Bendix/Avco manuf. product for Crosley - one of their family names. What year is your Bendix?

The '56 Whirlpool washer is 29" wide according to the Whirlpool 1956 service book.

Your laundry room sounds great - have a great birthday, and many, many more!

*****Post# 23190-10/17/2002-08:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Crosley POD
MESSAGE: I can't get over how much the Crosley washer resembles the 1952 Kenmore. The control dials are almsot identical and are angled the same way. Too bad there is no pic of the inside.

MY great aunt, who left me the 55 GE Filter Flo, had a 1950 Crosley refrigerator that was still going strong when my Mom sold it in a garage sale in 1989 and my next door neighbor has an early 50's Crosley window unit air conditioner. The fan motor had to be replaced once but the puttery sounding compressor lasted for over 30 years.

*****Post# 23191-10/17/2002-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: EARLY FRIG D/W
MESSAGE: If you look in that same album, at that same link, there are pictures of the interior of my '56 Frigidaire DW. It uses a rotating horizontal spray tube (650rpm) in between the upper and lower racks. It washes very well actually, it's only drawback is it's smaller capacity, but for two people, its perfect, not to mention how beautiful it looks in the kitchen.

*****Post# 23192-10/17/2002-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Period piece drama)
MESSAGE: Hi Darryl, no they found all the other vintage appliances they needed locally. Once again it comes down to the simple fact that vintage automatic washers, vintage dishwashers and to a smaller extent vintage dryers are much more rare the vintage ranges or refrigerators.

*****Post# 23193-10/17/2002-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, the word "Circa" is used for the word "approximately" as used in dates.

I'm sending them the 1952 WO-65-2/TR-60 Set. See link for picture. They didn't specify a brand, they just wanted a matched vintage washer and dryer set. When they saw my pictures they wanted my Philco Bendix Automagic and the Matching Duomatic as the Dryer. But they needed a paint job and some other cosmetic fixes first. They said they would pay me to restore them or they would have them professionally painted, I said NO on both accounts, but offered them an all porcelain set that looks nearly showroom new.

Are you really that uninterested in movies that you don’t know who Julia Roberts is?
I like go to the movies occasionally, so I can't say I'm uninterested in movies, but I can definitely say that Movie Stars do hold any interest for me so I don't generally pay attention to who is who, they are just people on the screen to me, that's why I don't know who Julia Roberts is. Of course I do know who Samantha Stephens is but who doesn't, she wash in a Frigidaire!

LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Frigidaire-set.jpg

*****Post# 23196-10/17/2002-09:04 ||| Rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Spin-X Extractor
MESSAGE: I ordered a Spin-X and it arrived yesterday. Did a load of terry towels in my Maytag so I could try out Spin-X. It works ok but it is small and one load of laundry from Maytag was 3 loads in Spin-X. It is nothing like the old Bock Extractors that I remember from the 1950's that had to be bolted down. Sure wish that there was a bigger version of Spin-x

*****Post# 23197-10/17/2002-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 advice
MESSAGE: Just call Midwest Timer Service and get a brand new rebuilt timer for that machine Ken, I know they have lots of those in stock.

*****Post# 23199-10/17/2002-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery (WOW)
MESSAGE: WOW Peter, congratulations, I had no idea you were getting that beautiful pink Westinghouse set. I also didn't know you were getting a Kelvinator too! Can wait to see more pictures.

*****Post# 23200-10/17/2002-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Frigidaire unimatic
MESSAGE: CU said this that a one of its subscribers had written in and said it tore weak fabrics at the basket perforations, but I have never seen this happen in my '47 Frigidaire.

The 55 Kenmore I got apart enough to see that the outer tub is completely shot. Whether I work to remove the tub, or just replace it with a newer tub and support remains to be seen.

From Decatur, find your way over to I-75 north, going outside the perimeter. The get on I-575 north, exit 8, turn right, go thru Woodstock, over the railroad tracks, and it's less than 2/10 a mile on the right. I'm there Saturdays and Sundays, except from about 1pm-6pm each day.

-ph

*****Post# 23207-10/17/2002-10:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: Honestly, I was up way too late last night to get the pics uploaded (AOL dialup can be sooo slow), and I just could bring myself to do the Kevli, Filtrator, and Bendix dryer pics (my most sincere apologies to Greg, who so graciously gave me these three wonderful beauties). If you fish around Greg's pics, I'm sure you will see them.

*****Post# 23210-10/17/2002-10:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery (oooh Jon!!)
MESSAGE: Yes, this was the set from eBay. I contacted the seller a few weeks ago. He had someone interested in them, but that fell thru. Buying them and then shipping them from CA to GA was a big setback, but I think very much worth it.

You guys would be most welcome to play in my carport. I need all the help and inspiration I can get!

-ph

*****Post# 23211-10/17/2002-10:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD & PETERH'S PINKYS, and whirlpool widths. (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice, Bob. I also need to get the tub lifted and reattach a suspension spring that unhitched itself. But as you can see from the pics, the machine was much more a mouse condo the last several years than it was a washing machine. The washer really reeks, and the droppings and nesting materials in the bottom of the washer are quite substantial. I may have no choice but to wait for a warm day and actually hose the washer out. Yukky!

-ph

*****Post# 23212-10/17/2002-10:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning (Yahoo bomb)
MESSAGE: I was having a hard time last night uploading. I guess Yahoo was being tempermental, but the pic links should all work now.

I learned yesterday that the neighborhood nazis have submitted complaints to the county against the very elderly couple that lives next door to me. There is no possible way for them to take care of their property, and they cannot afford a yard clean out like I did, let alone upkeep. The thing is that their lot isn't that bad, no worse that several others on the street! I haven't heard boo about my carport since that one nosey neighbor told me that "they" had concerns about all my machines in the carport. Luckily, our neighborhood does not have an association or covanents, so there is little they can do. It's not like I have machines all over the front yard and my car is up on blocks!

-ph

*****Post# 23213-10/17/2002-10:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning (roll call)
MESSAGE: Oh that's the 56 Frigidaire like the one my aunt had that we spoke about a few weeks ago. I didn't recognize it from a distance.

*****Post# 23214-10/17/2002-10:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning (too quick on the reply)
MESSAGE: I'll come out and visit with you one Saturday morning soon. If I can find my old owner's manual in the attic from the 55 Filter flo I'll bring it along.

*****Post# 23215-10/17/2002-14:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag washer only used for 5 years! Maybe a Circa?
MESSAGE: Hi Robert - Yes, I knew the definition of circa, just didn't understand the context it was used. Thought there might be some Maytag designation I'd not heard before... :-)

*****Post# 23216-10/17/2002-14:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures of the Kelvinator in my garage when I was restoring it. Peter will need to find or make an agitator boot for the new arrival though, I only had one and it's on it's last leg...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Kelvinator+Kelvinator&.src=ph&.dnm=Kelvinator+Washer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Kelvinator%2bKelvinator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23217-10/17/2002-14:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Farm Pics
MESSAGE: And here are the pics of the farm trip that I took the first time I was there.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/2002+Aberdeen+Appliance+Burial+Ground&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

*****Post# 23219-10/17/2002-15:08 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Good One Rich!)
MESSAGE: One of us needs to write to Julia and instruct her on the proper way to load a Unimatic Frigidaire. For the sake of the movie's authenticity, she should be seen loading her sheets into the washer like ribbon candy, and the other items into four quadrants. ha-ha
Rich

Very funny Rich! I think someone should do like a mock laundry guide with pictures of someone doing what you described. That would be funny! Any Julia "Look-a-likes" out there?
Brent

*****Post# 23221-10/17/2002-15:10 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Good One Rich!)
MESSAGE: Perhaps they should write a scene where Julia comes face to face with a Frigidaire bubble cake.

I'm getting "aborted" errors when trying to see the pics at photos.yahoo.com/gansky1...

-ph

*****Post# 23223-10/17/2002-15:18 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X Extractor
MESSAGE: Hi Ross
Did you see that 52 Kenmore washer available in LA? Cute machine. I remember you saying that you were thinking of adding a few vintage machines in your garage. I only room for one vintage machine....and it's got to be a Unimatic.
Rich

*****Post# 23228-10/17/2002-15:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: '72 Kenmore washer Question.
MESSAGE: What does the variflex agitator look like? I have never seen one before. Is it like the roto-flex?

*****Post# 23229-10/17/2002-16:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD & PETERH'S PINKYS, and whirlpool widths. (Happy Birthday!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob
Happy Birthday
Have a happy washing time
Mine was actually last Saturday and I enjoyed it
I missed the posts for a few days and trying to catch up
Jetaction to all
Peter

*****Post# 23230-10/17/2002-16:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: '72 Kenmore washer Question. (Variflex)
MESSAGE: It came in both white and a sort of mustard gold color. Three straight vanes with an adjustable knob on top of the agitator that set the stroke. You could set it on "high" for normal laods and "low" for a more gentler stroke. The 72 Lady my ex-roomate had was equiped with a white agitator. I'm not sure how Kenmore determined which of the two colors to use. I believe the earlier Lady Kenmore rotoflex agitators with the built-in scrub brush on top came in this same mustard gold as well as black on some models.

*****Post# 23233-10/17/2002-16:34 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: And if you get tired of that 56 Frigidaire I'm sure I can squeeze him into my laundry room. Dekalb county needs a classic unimatic!

If you find an agitator boot for the Kelvinator before I do, we'll install it at your house after we get the plumbing installed in your basement!

-ph

*****Post# 23235-10/17/2002-16:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: I don't think I'll ever get tired of my first Unimatic. I would think the Decatur would be some prime hunting grounds, with those big, old houses and estate sales... Have you been by M&T Used Appliances way out on Ponce? They used to have a beautiful coppertone GE timeline set. I guess they had too many people ask about it, because he moved it to his personal storage shed. I've found a Jet Action Frigidaire there once, but it was too far gone.

*****Post# 23237-10/17/2002-19:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: So Greg, do you have a picture then of the Kelvinator you are keeping?

Signed, Confused with no memory of a 2nd working Kelvinator on the premises.

*****Post# 23238-10/17/2002-19:58 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '72 Kenmore washer Question.
MESSAGE: Hey Pulsator, you could've asked me online earlier :-). If I remember correctly it was goldenrod in color and at the top of the agitator it had a selector dial which would extend the vanes at the base of the agitator to increase or decrease the water action.

*****Post# 23239-10/17/2002-20:27 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: WO-65 timer, etc.
MESSAGE: Thanks for the responses Greg and Robert.
I called Midwest Timer this afternoon and ordered a "new," NOT rebuilt timer. They told me they still had new timers for these machines that they've stored for years. I gave them the part number you gave me Greg (5430777), but I didn't see that number on the back of mine. I hope it's the right one! They also had rebuilt units, but why not get the new one? I couldn't believe it. The cost was only $25 before shipping costs.
Greg, you are right about the stuttering in the start of the spin cycle. A bit of a knock-click sound goes with it, then it smooths out and spins just fine. There's a bit of a burning oil smell when it does this. I'm hoping it's only from the bit of oil that spilled during transport. Within the next week or so, I'll get "under" the machine and get a better look before further Unimatic explorations, so to speak.
Two final questions; will I be able to tell if I need a new motor switch by just looking at it? Assuming that I will even recognize it!
Also, the porcelain tub is in relatively good shape with only two pitted spots. Some other areas within the tub has surface rust stains. I've tried car wax, but that didn't remove much of it. Any recommended cleaner?
Thanks again and again.
Ken

*****Post# 23240-10/17/2002-20:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 timer, etc.
MESSAGE: Hi Ken - it sounds like you are having good luck so far with your new washer. I don't know if Robert has any Delco (GM's motor company) service information, but I have none and had to learn about the start switch 'on the job' but it's not hard to understand. When you are ready, after studying the parts diagrams I sent you compared with what you see under the washer, we'll post some disassembly instructions to get to the motor switch. In the meantime, keep studying how it's all put together and here are some pictures of the motor that will help you identify the motor parts when you do take it apart. These pics are from when I was working on my WO-65 start switch problems. The first picture is the motor removed from the machine and sitting on the floor upside down. The 'top' of the motor pictured is actually the bottom when installed on the mechanism, the pump is mounted to that steel plate.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1950+WO65+%26+TR60+Filtrator&.src=ph&.dnm=Motor+Assembly.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1950%2bWO65%2b%2526%2bTR60%2bFiltrator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23241-10/17/2002-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: Here is the Kelvinator I'm keeping. It came from the Iowa store Jimmy and I drove to while he was here. He took home an almost identical washer and matching dryer and I got this one.

I've been doing some fine tuning of the mechanism the last week or so, the belt tension is important to the operation of the entire mechanism and I wanted to get it just right. The machine is in great condition, except for the rubber clothes guard around the rim of the tub - a common problem with these washers. They dry out and crack or split on the seam as mine has done now.

*****Post# 23243-10/17/2002-20:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery (Nice Kelvinator!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
This is a real cool Kelvinator. It looks a lot alike the brown one in the Museum. Did you add the window or did it come with it. Actually I think they should have made them all with windows. (and they should have made 1/18's also)
Best Of Luck with it
Peter

*****Post# 23244-10/17/2002-20:55 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X Extractor (1952 Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I saw the machine for sale but it needs work. I may have found someone here in Palm Springs who knows how to fix machines. I just had five sets of hot and cold water lines and drain lines installed in my garage as well as additional electric outlets and more lighting. I also have 1947 Bendix front loader and 1950's Maytag wringer washer on their way here. Maybe by Christmas or New Year I will be ready for another machine. My number one on my wish list is Thor Automagic like the one I grew up with.

*****Post# 23245-10/17/2002-21:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: Very cool! Was that one out in the garage somewhere when I was there? I like that it says "Golden Touch Washer" on the control panel! :)

*****Post# 23246-10/17/2002-21:40 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: I LOVE YOU GUYS!
MESSAGE: Thanks to each and every one of you guys for birthday wishes. Let's all see who can live to be the oldest, shall we. Who can live to be 125? Maybe we all can........think how old our machines will be then!

I REALLY LOVE YOU GUYS. YOU'RE LIKE MY FAMILY.
THanks for putting up with all my hot headedness.

BOB
now 40

*****Post# 23247-10/17/2002-21:56 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage "dishwasher"
MESSAGE: Have a Carocelle water-powered dishwasher. These were around in the 70s, current model looks the same. Not sure how well it washes dirty dishes, but it's a great drying rack!
Link to http://www.carocelle.com/
LINK: http://www.carocelle.com/

*****Post# 23248-10/17/2002-22:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage "dishwasher"
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember those too! Thanks for the link! I had stumbled across these recently too and was surprised they were still made. For many years they sold at our major department store here for $39.99. Scott

*****Post# 23249-10/17/2002-23:09 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: I LOVE YOU GUYS!
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, A great BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! I hope that your special day was a happy one!!

*****Post# 23251-10/17/2002-23:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I LOVE YOU GUYS!
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday to you Bob. Take good care.

*****Post# 23252-10/17/2002-23:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I remember dolly Parton using the dryer and also Dolly sending Julia out to collect some of the beauty shop towels once.

*****Post# 23253-10/17/2002-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I LOVE YOU GUYS!
MESSAGE: I always wanted one of these when I was a kid - I always thought they would be so fun to watch!

*****Post# 23255-10/18/2002-06:00 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: You can see, I'm catching up on the posts. Made it home Wed night and unloaded all the machines. Thursday night, after I got home from work, I brought in the Maytag and hooked it up. It worked great.

Rhinnie was very good and didn't do any laundry, Thursday, so there's lots to do.

Thanks so much, Greg, for the washers and dryers. Sorry we couldn't do any wash. Will have to plan another trip up to Omaha, perhaps with some of the Georga Wash Boys.

Steve1-18

*****Post# 23256-10/18/2002-06:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Julia Roberts)
MESSAGE: Bob - I think you have confused Julia with Darryl Hannah who played Annelle, the new young beautician. I remember that it was an avocado GE dryer with big round control dial and it was in the garage...... Of course GE figured prominently in that moveie. There was another, white GE dryer spotted very briefly elswhere in the movie and in the scene where Julia tells Sally Field that she is pregnant, there is a brief look at the pantry area with a GE washer and dryer.....

Yes, there were lots of GE appliances in the movie - refrigerators galore, and then the whole town was covered in light bulbs at Christmas!

*****Post# 23258-10/18/2002-07:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: Welcome back Steve- you will have fun washing in that Maytag AMP, and it will look good in your collection. It was fun seeing you again and meeting your parents, they are wonderful and were good sports with the laundry chatter!

Talk to you soon - Greg

*****Post# 23259-10/18/2002-07:27 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Special delivery
MESSAGE: I live right off of Ponce so I may bop over there tomorrow and see what they have. I want to go check out that GE set at the place on Lawrenceville Hwy you told me about too.

*****Post# 23260-10/18/2002-07:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: How many of us Georgia wash boys are there here? I think I'm the newest although if I had known about this group sooner I'd have joined along time ago.

My older sister, after I mentioned finding this group, sent me an
old photo she had of me, around age three, standing on a foot stool watching my Mom's 1955 TOL Hotpoint wash. Even at that age I was a washer fanatic.

*****Post# 23261-10/18/2002-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: What a fun picture to have - is there any way you can scan it and post it for us?

I dug a few photos of a few washer related photos from my life a while back, starting with 4 years old!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/My+Appliance+Life...&.src=ph&.dnm=First+washer+dryer+-+age+4.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bAppliance%2bLife...%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23263-10/18/2002-07:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: Steve glad y'all are home safe. Poor Rhinnie, what a trooper, he's had to refrain big time from doing laundry twice in a year. Thanks Rhinnnie!!! Talk to you this weekend.

*****Post# 23264-10/18/2002-08:05 ||| Jonjonbear (Austin, Texas)
SUBJECT: Greetings everyone!
MESSAGE: Hello All!
I am new here as of this morning..Found this site a couple of weeks ago and my partner and I rolled around on the floor watching the Lucy and Ricky Westinghouse ads! We are new parents of a Kenmore HE3t set due next friday, in graphite, yay! I have had a love affair with the front load washer since I was old enought to know what one was but never had the pleasure to own one till I was about 23, we had a big department store back home (Las Vegas) called "Zody's" and they had an italian set, and I had to have it. My gramma helped pay for it and the first thing I did was try out that high heat wash option (which had a warning in the owners manual) so I decided to make my tidy whities really white! I cranked it all the way up to hot and guess what? I had no elastic when done! I can't remember the name, it was relabeled.. Now we have the Gibson ..What a washing demon it has been! We also have an antique Magic Chef gas stove we bought in Glendive Montana when home for my family reunion, it looks like 1930's I would guess..Needs some work on the oven door. Springs are broken..It adorns our entry hall, and is dark green marble and pale yellow..Well I could go on and on..Just wanted to say hi from Austin Texas!! JonJon

*****Post# 23265-10/18/2002-08:22 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings everyone! (welcome)
MESSAGE: hi jonjon...i too am fairly new...been into washing machines since i was a kid in the 1950's...my space is limited as i live in a condo...so i made space on one side of my two car garage, installed 5 sets of hot and cold water outlets, 5 drain pipes, additional electrical outlets and lighting...and i am awaiting arrive of 1947 bendix front loader and 1950's maytag wringer washer...they will complement my 5 year old maytag....and still have space for a few more...welcome....ross roberts in sunny palm springs, california

*****Post# 23266-10/18/2002-08:45 ||| jonjonbear (Austin, Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings everyone! (welcome)
MESSAGE: Thanks Ross..
Well even though we have a good size house you STILL have more room than us..Our garage was converted to a living space..But I am green with envy over that Bendix! Is it a combo? I would give my left uh...Ear for one! :-)
JonJon

*****Post# 23267-10/18/2002-08:48 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GAS a/c (Link)
MESSAGE: Appnut, thanks for the reply on the old a/c. I can't get the link to work. Can you suggest help?
Thank,
Tom

*****Post# 23269-10/18/2002-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 timer, etc. (Bad Contacts)
MESSAGE: Ken, 99% of the time the problem with motor start switches is that the metal contacts get dirt, oil and grime build-up on them so they do not let the electricity flow to the start winding of the motor properly. In my seven years of restoring washer I have never seen a start switch that couldn't be fixed just by sanding and spraying. All you will have to do to fix the switch is simply sand the contacts down until they are shiny again, then spray them with Television Tuner Contact cleaner (available at Radio Shack).

Now the challenge you are going to have is gaining access to this switch. A 50 year old Unimatic pump is not the easiest thing to get off, although I have had some that are very easy, others like the ones from the farm, I literally had to haxsaw off. But your machine shouldn't be that difficult. When you are ready to start work Greg and I can help you through it, one step at a time.

For the surface rust stains on the tub, use Bon-Ami and a soft sponge.

*****Post# 23270-10/18/2002-11:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, How are your Hollywood Set of Frigidaire's doing? (Tell me more!)
MESSAGE: Recently, while on a drive up 1-95 in Connecticut, the Westport exit was just ahead, I remarked to the other passengers that "oh, we should stop by and visit Samantha Stevens" well, the response was, "yes we've heard of her, but can't quite remember from where". The previous conversation about New York politics immediately resumed where it had left off. Me on the other hand, daydreamed pulling off the highway, and driving over to Morning Glory circle!

*****Post# 23271-10/18/2002-14:02 ||| Bendixman (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X Extractor (Spin-X & 47 Bendix)
MESSAGE: Hi Ross, i'm Bruce aka Bendixman. I posted something about a week ago about a Spin-x. I have owned one for 3 years now and just love it. It has cut down the drying time of towels by half and it takes out any residule detergent from the fabrics, I especially love it for jeans because they spend less time in the dryer so they don't shrink as much as they would spending an hour in the dryer. I also have a Bendix it's a 44. It works but needs some work. I just sent the timer to Midwest timer to see if they could repair it and i'm still looking for a water solinoid switch because once it fills the cold water remains on. I'm going up to the Catskils mountains this weekend and hope to find another Bendix the Standard one that just has the round tub, no big cabinet around it. There was someone selling one on Ebay but he wanted $1,000. For that money I would buy a new Whirlpool front loader. Let me know what you think about the Spin-x and good luck with the Bendix when it comes.
Bruce

*****Post# 23272-10/18/2002-14:20 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER...
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Does anyone remember the wonderful (I think it was pink) front loading washer (it may have been a combo) that Lisa Douglas had on Green Acres? Was it a Philco or Bendix...or just a stage prop? Thanks! Mark

*****Post# 23273-10/18/2002-14:38 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO)
MESSAGE: It was a MAYTAG! - learned that one from John & Jeff LeFever whilst working for them at Alco in Beltsville MD.
I do believe it was never installed, but was in the area that they slept in...

*****Post# 23274-10/18/2002-15:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob! I NEVER would have guessed it was a Maytag since I've only seen those combos in pictures. I can only wonder where it is now. Man, I sure would like to get hold of that one! Anybody out there have any access to the prop departments at tv studios? Thanks! Mark

*****Post# 23275-10/18/2002-16:23 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin-X Extractor (water solinoid)
MESSAGE: I had the same problem with the 55 GE I used to have. The cold water got to where it wouldn't shut off. I almost flooded the basement once. Since by the time it happened the machine was so old I couldn't find a replacement solinoid from GE so my Dad and I removed the old one, cleaned about 20 years worth of dirt and rust out of it, put it back and and it seemed to work fine. It would still occasionally hang up for 3 or 4 seconds after the agitator (or in 55 GE language "activator") started but at least it didn't flood.

Thanks for showing us this dishwasher. Looks like I may have FINALLY found "MY" dishwasher. I'm not sure as to how well it will wash REALLY dirty dishes either. But for someone who has had to wash dishes by hand all of his life, I think one would be worth a shot. Provided it's not too expensive.

*****Post# 23278-10/18/2002-19:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings everyone!
MESSAGE: Well, JonJon, I don't think there's anything I need to say since we've been emailing back & forth for the last day or so. But, ... I'm glad ya joined FINALLY and it's so appropriate that your greetings post immeidately followed one of my RARE morning posts--usually wait until I get hom from work like now. BUT YAY, the Texas contingent IS GROWING!!!! And with you being just an hour away, I know we'll actually get to meet each other. And BTW, (attention Filter-Flo), they have a couple of vintage cars too!!!

*****Post# 23279-10/18/2002-20:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO)
MESSAGE: Bob, it was in kitchen scenes someitmes next to the pink fridge and sometimes next to the portable dishwasher.

*****Post# 23281-10/18/2002-20:24 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION)
MESSAGE: You know, now that you mention it, the thing did move around some from episode to episode. I always loved Mr. Haney..........for only Two Dollars and 45 cents,,,I will sell you a genuine, shiney Frigidaire filtrator brush.....gauranteed to remove the lint from the most remote crevices of your......

*****Post# 23282-10/18/2002-20:44 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION)
MESSAGE: Bob, you crack me up! Did you ever work on one of these? what was it like? Maytag design or a takeoff on the Bendix, Whirlpools of the day? Mark

*****Post# 23283-10/18/2002-22:55 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings everyone!
MESSAGE: JonJon. Welcome to this club. It is always nice to hear from new people. I have a good time just reading about machines and the mechanics of them and the wonderful people out there in Applianceville. They are a great bunch. My favorite are the old Bendix machines and then any other front load style after that. Have a great time.
Dan

*****Post# 23284-10/18/2002-23:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Steve 1-18 Takes A Holiday (Home at last)
MESSAGE: I found a picture of a washing machine I drew when I was four years old recently when cleaning the garage. I am going to get it laminated!

Uni I found the link to your unimatic1140 album but I was looking for the ones you took recenlty this year. I am trying to printthe pictures of the machines I really like!

Thanx all have fun on the weekend!

*****Post# 23286-10/19/2002-00:24 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION)
MESSAGE: I remember it too. Also remember the episode Lisa Douglas had it working, she was doing the curtains (while they were still on the rod)...thought back then that must have been one long washer drum or a really good props deparment. Then Mr. Haney sold the Ziffel's his version of a washing machine, an outboard motor attached to a 55-gallon drum. Kinda wondered how the dishes in the dishwasher got clean, when Lisa would take the tablecloth (with the dishes still on it) and throw them both in.

My partner turns 40 in January, me in April.
It looks like all the best people are turning 40 soon!
Best Wishes
Chris.

*****Post# 23293-10/19/2002-09:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning (neighbourhood nazis)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter
Why not mention to the nosey neighbours that if they are so bothered by your neighbour's yard, why not all get together on a weekend, have a working bee to clean up the place to help out their elderly neighbours, followed by a friendly barbeque and a beer or two? What are neighbours for - surely to look out for and help each other, not spy on and harass each other?
Chris

*****Post# 23295-10/19/2002-15:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Russian Classic
MESSAGE: Never thought about the Russians having dryers, but here's a 70's model dryer for sale on eBay. And it still works!

*****Post# 23296-10/19/2002-16:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Autumn spring cleaning (neighbourhood nazis)
MESSAGE: Chris, I whole-heartedly agree. Neighbours on either side of me are both elderly. I keep an eye on particularly the couple, since the lady on the other side has her daughter on the next street). I'm dying to know what dryer she has because just 3 years ago her washer died and had to be replaced. It wwas a 1965 Kenmore model 500. The couple next door have kinda adopted me as their 6th son, all the rest live out of state. I even was gonna mow his yard for him while he recently went through radiation treatment for prostate cancer, but he continued to wanna do that. He helped take very good care of my dog & my house while I was in hospital a year ago for 3 weeks. Yes, neighbours should look out for one another, but in today's society, what do ya expect.

*****Post# 23297-10/19/2002-16:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Russian Classic
MESSAGE: Luigi, what a COOL looking dryer. Almost looks like a Bendix from the 1950s here. Yeah, that dryer would have most definitely been for the Party Elite, not anyone else from that time period for sure!!!! Oh, to have a dryer with a window on it!!!!

*****Post# 23299-10/19/2002-21:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION(Arnold thinks it's TV))
MESSAGE: ...and my favorite...the episode with Arnold Ziffel sitting in front of the Maytag watching it like television. I used to do that in front of our Westy Laundromat when Iwas a kid. :-)

*****Post# 23300-10/19/2002-22:09 ||| mobilemaidbear (Tampa)
SUBJECT: Question on Top Loading Dishwashers
MESSAGE: This has been nagging me, what was the last year that top loaders were manufactured? Who was the maker

I have heard 3 answers:
GE 1975
Maytag 1973
Kitchenaide 1970

you guys have any idea?

"can you here me now" "join in "

Phil

*****Post# 23301-10/19/2002-22:12 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION(Arnold thinks it's TV))
MESSAGE: Did the same thing Rich! Our neighbor had a special stool just for me to watch her Bendix Duomatic. Hope that all is going well there for you! Hi to Gary.

*****Post# 23302-10/19/2002-23:01 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage "dishwasher"
MESSAGE: Needs good water pressure to function, but if water pressure too high the center tube tends to pop off. OK for glasses, not for really dirty dishes. One use: hand wash dishes, put in Carocelle for a good rinsing.

*****Post# 23303-10/20/2002-00:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DOES ANYONE REMEMBER... (PINK COMBO LOCATION(Arnold thinks it's TV))
MESSAGE: And that's why The Appliance forum calls watching windowed front loaders (not a neppy) watching the laundry channel he he he. Of course, to me, a GM Frigidaire is just as worthy of being referred to as watching the laundry channel. And a Kelivantor/ABC-O-Matic for that matter. Come to think of it, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WEB CAM broadcasts from Robert's basement. What do y'all think???? And Greg's basement!!!!

*****Post# 23304-10/20/2002-00:46 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on Top Loading Dishwashers (Top Loading Dishwashers )
MESSAGE: I Think it was GE 1975 but I could be wrong
Peter

*****Post# 23305-10/20/2002-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on Top Loading Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Well Phil, I can tell you from an observation at the museum in August. John LeFever had a GE MobileMaid that was all pushbutton, probably had a rapid advance type of timer, the wash arm & pump style looked just like the early potscrubbers I & II and I believe it was avocado green. I'll have to search my CD that Imperial Bob used to take photos of each machine in the museum and send it to you. I vaguely remember someone saying that that particular machine was one of the last mobilemaids made and it was an early to mid 70s product.

*****Post# 23307-10/20/2002-15:06 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: HELLLLLLPPP!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Guys, I need help with something. I need an answer by 8pm my time. I have to do an overhaul on my 74 Whirlpool Transmission. All of the part stores are closed. Would it be safe to use Mobil 1 Synthetic in my gearcase?? Or must i use genuine FSP transmission oil??? I know this is kind of a dumb question but I just want to get it over with LOL. Would any motor oil work?? If so, It's going to be Mobil 1!!! LOL

Thanks in advance
Geoff :)

*****Post# 23308-10/20/2002-18:38 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: HELLLLLLPPP!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Geoff, The WEIGHT of the oil is more important than the type. GE always specified 30W non-detergent motor oil for their transmissions, and I think that would also be fine for your FSP tranny. GE always cautioned that any thinner oil would leak past the seal. While the same is not as important on a Whirlpool tranny, my opinion that a middle weight 30W oil would be fine to use. The synthetic oils are very durable and long lasting, as they dont break down and contaminate parts with a varnish film that regular oil tends to do over time. Its just that they are more expensive. In the small quanity you use in a washer transmission, it becomes a moot point. Hope that helps you out.......

*****Post# 23309-10/20/2002-18:50 ||| parunner58 (Easton, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage "dishwasher" (RE: vintage "
dishwasher"
We had one)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Back in 1973 we bought my mom a Carocelle dishwasher for Mothers day. We could not yet afford an electric one. At the time it was about $75 and a discount store. There were fives kids in our house and it was used hard. You had to rinse all the food off the plates but other than that it would clean the dishes pretty good. What I did was use Cascade by disolving it in water and pouring it in the soap cup on the dishwasher. Today the liquid Cascade would be great. In 76 we bought a GE Potscubber and could stop rinsing the dishes. She loved the potscrubber Dishwasher. We could take the broiler pan right out of the oven put it in and it would come out spottless. But the Carocelle would be good a couple or single person. IT is fun to watch.

*****Post# 23310-10/20/2002-20:18 ||| mobilemaidbear (Tampa)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage "dishwasher" (RE: vintage ( early countertop eletric models))
MESSAGE: I remember seeing early electic countertop DWs at Mont Wards and Service Merchandise in the 70s. They where the forerunners of the equator and danby models now out on the market.

*****Post# 23311-10/20/2002-20:52 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: POD, (what year?)
MESSAGE: I never heard of the brand "American Kitchens", Did they only make dishwashers? does anyone know for how long? or when they started? thanks.........

*****Post# 23313-10/20/2002-23:10 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: HELLLLLLPPP!!!!!!
MESSAGE: It's a little past 8PM but you need to use gear oil which you can get from the auto parts store. 85W90 will work fine. Lighter weight oil will work,(not as well) but the tranny will have a very distinct whine.

*****Post# 23314-10/20/2002-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, (what year?) (Pod)
MESSAGE: Early 1960s would be the latest this machine would be since it's an impeller wash mechanism machine. It oculd be late 50s for that matter, notice the timer on the bottom left side of the dishwasher kickplate. Kinda like the late 50s Hotpoints.

*****Post# 23315-10/20/2002-23:51 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, (what year?) (American Kitchen)
MESSAGE: The house I grew up in was built in 1951. We had an "American Kitchen" sink/faucet. Not quite the same thing as the dishwasher. However, nothing else would fit this particular sink! Over the years I can remember my dad trying to find washers and other parts for the thing. It was a rather large, chrome faucet that sort of fell in a waterfall form from the backsplash. When we did some remodeling in 1968, they were able to find a new one to replace the old, corroding one. I think it was rather false economics as with the money they spent on the remodel it would have been cheaper to replace the whole sink!

*****Post# 23316-10/21/2002-09:43 ||| Kgr40 (Lexington, KY)
SUBJECT: pink appliances
MESSAGE: am remodeling kitchen soon and replacing old and working pink appliances. are there people intersted in buying pink appliances and is this an appropriate place to explore this.

*****Post# 23317-10/21/2002-09:43 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, (what year?)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, American Kitchens was a brand promoted in the early 50's to builders, I think part of the Crosley/Bendix/Avco group. I believe it was an early D&M generic machine, also used by Whirlpool. American Kitchens had that unusual angled front which matched the drawers on their steel cabinets. I saw one of these on the curb for the trash man a few years ago..... SteveD

*****Post# 23318-10/21/2002-10:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: pink appliances
MESSAGE: OH MOST DEFINITELY!! Please tell us the brand(s) and what appliances are still running.
LINK: http://this is the place. There are htose who'd love those pink applinaces. Plese, tell us what brtands they are and what the appliances themselves are that are still working.

*****Post# 23319-10/21/2002-15:37 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Omaha pick-up
MESSAGE: This past weekend we picked up the poppy 1-18 washer I got from Jimmy at Greg's home in Omaha. Got to use several of Greg's wonderful machines, went to 4 estate sales, and even had time to go out! We had to wash our smokey clothes when we got home so the washday continued to about 2 in the morning. Greg was the greatest host, and his son Skyler was delightful. Thanks again Greg for all of your hospitality. I am washing in the new addition as I type. Don

*****Post# 23320-10/21/2002-16:44 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Unimatic's basement
MESSAGE: I was admiring in awe the pics of your beautiful basement. It's like a playground come to life for me. Maybe one day I'll have something like that too although I don't see how anyone could top that. The color scheme of brown, turquoise and yellow is perfect. Love that tile floor. It really sets off the machines to perfect advantage.

I tried to count the number of machines. I got 32 including the little Bendix sitting by the "library" door near the staircase. But I may have missed a couple. The plumbing and wiring must have been a major project in itself.

What machines are next on your list for additions to the collection? Are you working on anything specific now?

You must be very proud. And the photo of you in the snow with the bottle of Final Touch is really cute, too.

Les

*****Post# 23321-10/21/2002-18:03 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up?
MESSAGE: Have a Maytag DE806 "Halo-Of-Heat" dryer. From time to time I see matching washers put out for trash pickup. There is one down the street right now. What parts normally fail on these washers?

*****Post# 23322-10/21/2002-18:04 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Omaha pick-up (Sounds Fun Don!)
MESSAGE: Don,
Sounds like you had a great time!
Is this your first Frigidaire, or another to your collection?!
Thanks for sharing your experence!
Brent

*****Post# 23325-10/21/2002-18:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Can anyone identify this Whirlpool?
MESSAGE: On my way home from work this afternoon I saw a mid 1950's Whirlpool washer on the curb. At first it looked alot like a 1956 Philco top loader. Naturally I had to pull over, get out of my car and inspect it up close.

I'm guessing it's a 53 or 54. The agitator was the same as the 52 and set deep and low inside the tub like the 52. The outer cabinet and lid were also the same as the 52. The back panel was slanted like the 52 but the controls were different. The temperature control was on the left and it slid from left to right. The main timer control was in the very center of the back panel - very small round clear plastic rotary knob with a slight raised pointer. The cycles were painted on the back panel within a rectangular shaped area-white letters against a turqoisey colored background. One cycle but the last 4 or 5 minutes of the wash cycle were indicated by a "custom fabric" as in the 53 -57 Kenmores.

The machine looked too far gone. It looked as though someine had started to take the insides apart then just dumped then loosely back into the cabinet.

Anyone know what year this machine might be?

Les

*****Post# 23326-10/21/2002-18:27 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up? (WHAT KILLS A 1970 MAYTAG)
MESSAGE: Most commonly, the upper transmission bearing goes bad due to water leaking down the agitator shaft. This will cause the machine to run very sluggishly and not have proper agitation. Water leaks are also common to older Maytags, as tub bolts become loose, injectors fizzle water out everywhere, or even the main water boot seal can go bad, spilling water out the bottom real fast..of course, any number of other problems can occur, but bad transmission is really high up there on the list (upper bearing failure).
Also common, is the transmission leaking gear grease all out the bottom of the machine, making the belts a fine gooey rubbery mess, not to mention what it does to the floor.

*****Post# 23327-10/21/2002-18:28 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up?
MESSAGE: I don't know what parts exactly fail, I have heard that the transmission slows or gets sluggish and the spin speed slows but that is all I have ever heard about problems with Maytags. They have been making them the same for years. Still can get parts for them too.........

*****Post# 23328-10/21/2002-18:40 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up?
MESSAGE: Usually when a Maytag fails it's in the 25 to 30 year old category. Most of my collection is comprised of the 806's. Loved the lighted tubs in the washers and of course the lighted control panels....just be careful as the glass in the control panels do break! I have never passed up an 806. Once a new tub bearring and a few other little things are tweaked, you'll have a machine that will run perfectly for another 25 or 30 years! Don't let that one get away from you!!! Granted they're not as exciting as a Kelvinator or Frigidaire or maybe even a timeline Norge...BUT.. they are a very dependable machine that will run for years, and will show very well in your collection! I know of no other top loader that had a tub light! (please note that some did have an ozone bulb, but NOT a tub light!) Now go get that baby and get to work!!! All the best, Mark

*****Post# 23331-10/21/2002-19:54 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help (Mark/Jet-Action Agitator)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark. Sorry I didn't write back sooner.
I can ship you one of the agitators, but they don't have the agitator caps that usually go on them. They're not as interesting without the tops. If you're still interested, let me know.
Actually, Jim and I were considering a mid to late winter trip to Florida. If you can wait, maybe I can drop one off personally. Let's keep in touch. Please write back when you get a chance.
Ken

*****Post# 23334-10/21/2002-20:11 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: WO-65 washer fixes itself! (?)
MESSAGE: Maybe it really was (is) the "perfect washer." It seems to be repairing itself!
The new timer hasen't arrived yet, but the more I engage the motor manually, the better the motor switch seems to connect. Maybe it was just sitting a few decades too long somewhere. Using it is cleaning off the electrical connections I suppose.
In agitation it only stalls (slightly) when I rotate the tub counterclockwise, but then it "springs" right back to agitation. It also snaps right into spin now without hesitation. Still not yet completely connected and filled with water I might add, but it's definately working much better.
If it works this well with a full tub of clothes and water I might let the disassembly process go for a while.
Ken

*****Post# 23335-10/21/2002-20:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Parts Help (Mark/Jet-Action Agitator)
MESSAGE: Why don't you stop by here!?! if it's not too far out of the way and stay a few days! If you have one to spare, I'd appreciate it. I have a cap so that's no problem. Thanks! Mark

*****Post# 23336-10/21/2002-20:22 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up? (tub lights)
MESSAGE: Well Bob! You did it again! Never knew that any others had tub lights. Would love to see one. My LK's seem to be from the early 70's and while I worked on lots of the 60's models, (our entire neighborhood, excepting my mother, was a Kenmore neighborhood) I have never run across one with a tub light! Thanks!!! Mark

*****Post# 23337-10/21/2002-20:22 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: WO-65 bellows replacement
MESSAGE: Just one other area that needs attention on this machine;
When the agitator is its up position I can feel the bellows, and it seems to be OK. I can't feel any cracks or rips. I realize it's not that difficult to replace, but would you guys (Greg, Robert or anyone else) recommend it be changed anyway?
What about the the oil bellows? Greg, I know you said they're usually in decent shape, but I was wondering if there are any other opinions about replacing them anyway, as sort of a preventative maintenance. I've got the parts. Just wondering whether I should leave well enough alone (I've always had trouble doing just that) or go ahead and change them.
Thanks,
Ken

*****Post# 23338-10/21/2002-20:48 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up? (tub lights)
MESSAGE: Yes. I owned a '62 Lady Kenmore washer that had a tub light in it too. Once upon a time, I had a laundry room with All 3 1962 Lady Kenmore laundry machines...the washer, the dryer, and the combo, which also featured a tub light...

*****Post# 23340-10/21/2002-21:04 ||| kgr40 (Lexington, KY)
SUBJECT: RE: pink appliances (pink appliances)
MESSAGE: all are working. i use them every day. i have ge electric 4 burner cook top, ge electric double oven (built in wall unit). the dishwasher is hotpoint and i suspect a bit newer than the cook stuff as it has a reversible panel that is pink on one side, black on the other. dishwasher needs seal/gasket on door replaced and the racks could stand replacing, but it works fine.

*****Post# 23341-10/21/2002-21:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Omaha pick-up
MESSAGE: I'm so glad to hear you are having fun with your new washer - it was in beautiful condition and so nice and clean too, a "plug and play" washer! After having this color of 1-18 in my garage for a while, I'm missing it! Poppy has to be my favorite of the 70's colors, contrary to what others may say, harvest gold is my least favorite! ;-)

Thanks again for making the trip down, it was so much fun. It's always nice to share the washers with people who love to wash!

It might not be a bad idea to replace them if you have the parts on hand. Robert and I replaced the bellows in my WO-65 when we unpacked it, before even testing it. Those rubber parts and can degrade over time and the last thing you want is water in the mechanism if it's running OK now.

*****Post# 23345-10/21/2002-21:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: philco
MESSAGE: Hi and welcome - there was a video that Robert posted while restoring his 1959 Philco washer of the mechanism running, but I can't find the link to it now.

There is a rubber disc in the bottom of the tub that revolves (or flaps) round and round that moves the clothes through the water - or water through the clothes. Robert (uni) posted pictures of the entire process which will give you a better idea of how it all works. I have one of these in my garage waiting in line to be restored, I wish it were done now!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/philcobendix/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/&.view=t

*****Post# 23346-10/21/2002-21:51 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, (what year?) (D&M?)
MESSAGE: D&M = Design and Manufacturing, a company that made dishwashers that were rebranded by companies that did not have manufacturing facilities for dishwashers (usually when their main focus was ranges, or fridges). They're who made the 50's dishwashers for Kenmore, Philco, Kelvinator, Crosley, American Kitchens, Whirlpool, as well as most top load dishwashers in the early 60's. I believe the top load Frigdaire d/w at Unimatics is a D&M design... I guess it was easier to "farm it out" than to put a lot of money into the factories. WCI/Frigidaire/Electrolux bought the D&M company in the mid 90's (the UltraWash series, when Frigidaire introduced everything with rounded corners 94, 95? were D&M).....also, all the 18" front load dishwashers were D&M products..... SteveD

*****Post# 23347-10/21/2002-22:01 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Omaha pick-up (Sounds Fun Don!)
MESSAGE: It is the second Fridigaire in the current collection. I have a 66 WCDRK Custom Imperial. Had two other Fridigaires in the past, but that was in the 80's, so when they went belly up, I got rid of them. If I knew then what I know now!!!!
Thanks Brent!

*****Post# 23348-10/21/2002-22:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Omaha pick-up
MESSAGE: Yes, Don - Congratulations. Poppy is also my favorite of the 70's colors and I have been looking for one for a while now. How lucky for you to find one.

*****Post# 23353-10/22/2002-07:37 ||| Dano1611 (CT)
SUBJECT: 1950 International Harvester Model 70 Chest Freezer
MESSAGE: When I purchased my home 8 years ago it came with the freezer in the basement. The freezer has worked like a champ until yesterday. It just plain won't run. I think I have traced the problem to the temperature control ( I can make it run by bypassing it). Is this part available anywhere? Thanks for any help you can give me.

*****Post# 23354-10/22/2002-08:44 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: philco (PHILCO AUTOMAGIC REBUILD PICTURES)
MESSAGE: Wow! How exotic! What a cool mechanism! It's these odd machines , truely, that put all the interest and wonder into collecting old washers. So true, kenmores are boring and commonplace by comparison - I see the point now!
Thank you, Greg, for taking such wonderful photos of your work. Truely unique.

Here's a link for the Philco video, not to be missed. It's over 3 megs in size, so some of you with dialups will have to be patient, but I assure you, it's worth the download.

LINK: http://bobwirth.hypermart.net/KENMORE/PHILCO.mpg

*****Post# 23355-10/22/2002-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, I would leave the Bellows alone for now until you are sure they need replacement, its not exactly an easy job to get the new one seated on the flange.

I'm glad to hear the start switch is working better, but what really counts is how it works with a full tub of water which is much heavier. VERY IMPORTANT: Have you primed the pump with hot water before you started running the washer? Running the pump dry can ruin the pump shaft seal in any washer old or new.

*****Post# 23358-10/22/2002-13:42 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Maytag washers worth fixing up? (tub lights)
MESSAGE: I had seen that photo but thought that you had installed the tub light for showing the tub better in the photo. You guys never cease to amaze me! Thanks, Mark

*****Post# 23359-10/22/2002-13:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: philco (PHILCO AUTOMAGIC REBUILD PICTURES)
MESSAGE: Does anyone have one of these bouncing basket machines? (working or not) I have a few ads but have never seen the inside agitator/tub of one of these washers. How about any service literature? Mark

*****Post# 23360-10/22/2002-13:57 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: NEED SOME ADVICE FROM GE FANS!
MESSAGE: Hi Boys! Just found an old GE dryer. It says on the control panel V-12. Is anyone familiar with this dryer? I think the model was 688 (didn't have my glasses with me so couldn't read the numbers very well) I don't know if the timer lights up or not. The control panel is not connected flush with the machine, it's on the metal lifts about an inch or two above the top of the cabinet. Is this one worth collecting? It looks like almost a match to the washer that Tom has in his collection from what I remember but the timer dial is white with that blackish gray lettering and there are 4 white pushbuttons on the left side. It is lower end as there is no drum light. They are going to deliver it tomorrow. Mark

*****Post# 23361-10/22/2002-14:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: NEED SOME ADVICE FROM GE FANS!
MESSAGE: Inside the drum, does it have the perforated back that is one with the drum, or does it have the stationary bulkhead with the screened heat input? If it is the perforated back, it is really no different than so many other GE dryers. If it is the stationary bulkhead, then it is much more collectable -- older and rarer -- in my book. I sent a V12 to the Krusher about 6 mos ago because it had the perforated one piece drum, but saved the control console.

-ph

*****Post# 23362-10/22/2002-15:36 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: White Westinghouse Front Loader LT800E
MESSAGE: HI everyone, I am new to your website. I think your website is great. I also have an AEG Lavamat Bella that was purchased in 1990, which I still use. I have a Westinghouse Front Loader LT800E purchased in 1984. It was only used for 7 years. Somehow a lot of coins got between the two tubs. You would only hear the clanking if there was too may suds in the machine. I had a repairman come out, and he removed one of the vanes inside and used a magnet to remove the coins. It was only used for 7 years because more pocket change worked its way between the tubs again. I got annoyed and bought a Maytag top loader in 1991. I hate this machine. It does not wash and rinse as good as the Westinghouse. Also on the Westinghouse the automatic fabric softner dispenser does not work. Since I am not mechanically inclined, would it be worth the have this machine repaired. Other than what I mentioned above, it does work. I was also wondering if any of the trapped coins would damage the water pump. I guess I could also remove one of the vanes and use a magnet to remove the coins. This is the extent of my mechanical ability. The machine still pumps the water out.

*****Post# 23364-10/22/2002-15:37 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on Top Loading Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Frigidaire also made a top loader. My parents had one which was purchased in the mid to late 60's.

*****Post# 23366-10/22/2002-15:56 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Mixing brands
MESSAGE: Tonight I am goting to put my new (YESSS!) Mini-basket inside my Easy Whirldry, I have made calculations and hope that they are right, and do a load or 10 in it. Would it work to put a Norge Burpilator in a early ninety's Maytag? Also what kind of agitator did the Norge 15 have?

*****Post# 23368-10/22/2002-17:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: philco (Not Mine - Robert's)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the video link, that is such a cool machine - too bad it's not mine! This is Robert's 59 Philco washer, I have a 1960 Philco, but it's from the farm and not restored yet.

The coin is probably in the 'sump' area at the bottom of the outer tub of your White Westinghouse tumbler washer. You can remove one of the vanes from the wash/spin basket to carefully retrieve them, but a magnet will not help - US coin is not magnetic.

*****Post# 23371-10/22/2002-20:21 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (No harm intended)
MESSAGE: Robert, In my excitement, I am guilty of running the washer without getting water in the outer tub. Though it hasn't run that long at one time. I just didn't remember to do it. These memory lapses seem to happen more as we reach middle age. I now seem to recall doing this procedure when I got (Greg's) Duomatic. I hope the machine will be OK.
I saw your post at work. When I got home, I immediately got some hot water into the outer tub, filled the machine with hot water. I ran it with a full tub, and it agitated just fine (no clothes yet). It spun out perfectly with a full tub of water as well.
I would assume the indication of the need for a new bellows would be the water draining out of the tub. If that's the case, I guess the bellows is allright. The machine agitated for about five minutes, and the tub seemed to stay full. Though I guess a true test would take longer than that.
Ken

*****Post# 23372-10/22/2002-21:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES.....
MESSAGE: Sears has announced that it will no longer use Whirlpool to source the new HE3TTies! They have switched to LG of Korea too their new 20 pound F/L with direct disk motor drive.

LG has announced that their new machine the "Tromm" is the largest capacity machine on the US market and that they intend to introduce a 20 pound Combo version this year.

Just in off the wire..................

jet

*****Post# 23373-10/22/2002-21:41 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Very Interesting. Have a link?)
MESSAGE: That is so interesting.
I am very interested in the LG Washer!
Brent

*****Post# 23374-10/22/2002-21:43 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (Middle age happens!)
MESSAGE: Sounds interesting about your Frigidaire.
What Duomatic do you have? What Greg did you get it from.
Would love to hear more about it.
Brent

*****Post# 23375-10/22/2002-21:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES.....
MESSAGE: WOW!!!! I've seen pics of this machine on the Appliance forum. Kinda sexy. Hmm, wonder what Sears will have them configure differently feature-set wise like they did with their own version of the Whirlpool Duets. This should be interesting. But, we'll now see another combo from Kenmore!!! YAY. In the fine heritage of the Lady kenmore Combos of yesteryear!!!!!!!! (I hope).

*****Post# 23376-10/22/2002-21:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Omaha pick-up (Poppy 1/18)
MESSAGE: Congratualtions Don. I just flipped when Steve opened the trailer after we got back from Maryuland and the conventiono when he opened the trailer to the poppy 1/18 set. I'd never seen one in person, just the ads. I always thought it was the sexiest appliance color around. So sad it didn't catch on.

*****Post# 23377-10/22/2002-21:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: philco (PHILCO AUTOMAGIC REBUILD PICTURES)
MESSAGE: Alex, very true. There was a small group of us that caught the tv debut of the Calypso on a CNN weekly news special. We all had recently come from the Minneapolis convention and had observed simiolar reactions to seeing the Philco in Unimatic's basement. However, before the Philco action, there was the ABC-O-Matic & Kelvinators. That's a very similar wash action in a way and we truely linked the Calypso technology to the Kelvinators.

*****Post# 23378-10/22/2002-21:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: philco (PHILCO AUTOMAGIC REBUILD PICTURES--holy grail??)
MESSAGE: So, which is the holy grail of washerdom. The Apex or the Frigidaire 1/18 that was all push-button with the rapid-advance type of timer produced shortly right b4 the end of GM production?

*****Post# 23379-10/22/2002-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES.....
MESSAGE: It will be interesting to see if Sears sources any other products from them. Jonjonbear says LG has a spiffy refrigerator he's seen at Best Buy. LG Electronics in the US markets Microwaves under the GoldStar name. I looked at their web site. They had a 13 cu. ft. fridge that looked remarkebly similar to a same size GE fridge I saw at Sams on Sunday. Hmm, the appliance web weaves more. I guess now on to the sandbox!!!

*****Post# 23382-10/23/2002-03:01 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Very Interesting. Have a link?)
MESSAGE: Brent, I just was told this from my local LG dealer. HE is waitning to get the new Tromm machine into the shop. When he does I will get pix for the club to see.
Will keep you posted on developments.
jet

*****Post# 23384-10/23/2002-03:09 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG ( VERY IMPORTANT LINK INFO I FORGOT)
MESSAGE: I forgot to tell you when you click on the link you will be asked to install Korean do not!!! Just click on the cancel button and the english side will pop up.
jet

*****Post# 23385-10/23/2002-03:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES.....
MESSAGE: Bob:
Those Lady Kenmores are fine looking machines but try and get one working sometime!!! "The more they try to overtake the plumbing the more they just stop up the drain!"
jet

*****Post# 23386-10/23/2002-03:12 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Lost on SRVAA)
MESSAGE: App how do you get to the sandbox I can't find it.
jet

*****Post# 23387-10/23/2002-03:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: Can we get an inside shot of that Beatty machine?? How does it work......................Eddy its your cue!
jet

*****Post# 23389-10/23/2002-06:44 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: Well Jon, I don't have a shot of this particular Beatty's interior but here's one of my later 50's Beatty interior. This machine is actually in a museum in Ontario, and I'm told it's a 1949 if I remember correctly. It would definitely be a solid tub machine looking similar to the picture in my link.
Reversing motor technology. I love how the controls are down low like that, very suitable for the shorter Canadian housewives! LOL

*****Post# 23390-10/23/2002-07:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Very Interesting. Have a link?)
MESSAGE: Jon, thanks, will be anxious to see pics & continued updates. Kenmore combo heritage to be resurrected for sure!!!

*****Post# 23391-10/23/2002-07:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG ( VERY IMPORTANT LINK INFO I FORGOT)
MESSAGE: Jon, tried this approach last nite when tooling around looking for the press release. Hitting cancel didn't load english for me.

*****Post# 23392-10/23/2002-07:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES.....
MESSAGE: Jon, I know they were fine looking machines. And they're a mechanical nightmare to try and resurrect these days. But, such an important part of my childhood. Such fond memories. It was so nice to experience one at John's house one more time. Now, the GE combo encounter someday, I'm truely looking forward to. Never ever saw one in action.

*****Post# 23393-10/23/2002-07:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: Eddy, when I saw the level of the controls like that, I thought of us as children, the future dial-pushers of washerdom!!!! LOL

*****Post# 23395-10/23/2002-08:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: This is too cool Eddy - was this an agitator machine? Bolt down? It looks similar to the Launderall which was a tumbler - top loader of the same vintage.

Very cool POD!

*****Post# 23396-10/23/2002-08:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (Time to Wash)
MESSAGE: Well it sounds like you're in luck then Ken. The start switch was probably just dirty and the grime has burned off just by being used again. I would level the machine and try to do a load of wash and see what happens. Keep up posted.

*****Post# 23397-10/23/2002-08:44 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: White Westinghouse Front Loader LT800E
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice Greg. It was quite a while ago when the service made retrieved the coins, and I was not sure what he used to retrive them. I would have been anoyed if I tried using a magnet and it did not work. Do you think the machine still has some years of use of should I junk it? As I said previously, it was only in operation for 7 years doing the wash for 2 people. Now I have a 10 year old son.

Thanks again, Ray

*****Post# 23398-10/23/2002-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: The early Beatty looks almost like a horizontal axis Launderall, that Beatty washer sure would be a fun machine to find.

*****Post# 23400-10/23/2002-08:56 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Sandbox link)
MESSAGE: Bob thanks for the link see ya there too.

*****Post# 23401-10/23/2002-09:04 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend
MESSAGE: John LeFever,Cliff,Carry are coming up Friday for a mini wash in. GregM will showup with donoughts on sat am and we will rebuild my 1-18 three speed machine and put it into a nice Root Beer cabinet I have been saving just for this!! I want to see Cliff tear down the pump actually!!!! Will take lots of pics for the group.
Happy hunting out there!
Jetcone

*****Post# 23402-10/23/2002-11:21 ||| jonjonbear (Austin, Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Oh great...My new HE3t's due in Friday!)
MESSAGE: When and where is this information? I would like to find out..I wonder if I should cancel my order and wait? When is this change supposed to happen? More info please!!!
Thanks! JonJonbear

*****Post# 23403-10/23/2002-12:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Oh great...My new HE3t's due in Friday!)
MESSAGE: I don't have anymore details yet JonJon. As soon as I get more info from my inside source I'll pass it along. I would still take the HE#tties. Whirlpool is still going to be producing the Duets for some time to come. I bet they come down in price once the LG's hit the market.
The LG combo will wash 20 # but only dry 13# so you could do 13# load without ever returing to the machine. I don't know if they are producing a seperate matching dryer yet.
jetcone

*****Post# 23404-10/23/2002-12:27 ||| Bigantlers (Toledo OH)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Ringer Washer
MESSAGE: To anyone who has any information for me, I am not a collector. I have in my basement, from the previous owner, an old Whirlpool Ringer Washer, Model # 04727, Serial # c740, Stock # LSW750 0. Can anyone tell me if this thing is worth anything other than a one way, expenses paid trip to the junk yard?

*****Post# 23407-10/23/2002-14:10 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (No harm intended)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken! Now this is just my opinion, but I always replace the bellows in a Frigidaire as soon as I get it. Then, every four years after. Just put a little dish soap on the rims of the bellows and they will slip right on to the tub flanges. Replace them both. Since the bellows are still available, why not do a little preventive maintainance and save yourself a potential headache? Best of luck with your new toy! Mark

*****Post# 23408-10/23/2002-14:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG
MESSAGE: OK! So someone in the club needs to get one so we can hear all the REAL details of how this machine works!!!Does it recirculate the water like a LK combo does? how fast does it spin? Ohhhhh, sooooo many questions! Mark

*****Post# 23409-10/23/2002-14:29 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: NEW OLD GE PORTABLE DISHWASHER!
MESSAGE: Hi All! Just found a model 1SP40N Ser# 55426616 GE portable dishwasher. Has the impeller in the bottom AND a heating element. Big round timer knob in the center and right after drying, it POPS the lid open to finish the drying process. The top is white enamel and the sides are rounded off white(ish). Pretty clean machine with all the racks, silverware basket, etc.... the inside of the dishwasher is white enamel and the racks are a muted lemon yellow color. Can't wait to get it hooked up to see if it runs! I'll let you know how it turns out. Mark

*****Post# 23410-10/23/2002-14:37 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: WOW that Beatty is CUTE!! ...Eddy???
MESSAGE: It is a very cool machine, one that's certainly on my wish list. I'm pretty sure it's an agitator washer, I've never heard of GSW (who made Beatty) making other styles of machines. All their wringer washers of the same vintage were agitator models. I love the windowed lid, which may be another key to the interior... a splashy wash... or dramatic action???

*****Post# 23411-10/23/2002-14:54 ||| Magister (Arizona)
SUBJECT: A B Battlecreek gas stove
MESSAGE: I'm looking for ANY info on these stoves. I think mine is from the 1020's-1930's. I have not had any luck so far and I need one part.

*****Post# 23412-10/23/2002-15:26 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Oh great...My new HE3t's due in Friday!)
MESSAGE: JonJon,
I am also waiting on my Graphite HE3T to be delivered on Nov 2 and I am not the least bit worried about the TROMM becoming the new kid on the block.
I for one am not happy with the styling of the TROMM, the HE3 is far sleeker looking. The TROMM looks like a 80's Kenmore 90-series with that old-school looking backsplash and membrane covered buttons. I even think the Lady Kenmore Combo is prettier than the TROMM ever could dream about being. Now if the new Dyson flow-check were replacing my HE3T, I might be concerned. The Dyson breaks new ground with it iMAC inspired clear trimm, very cutting edge.
I think the HE3 and HE3T will be the ones people will be collecting in 10 years time.
-Alex
Fort Lauderdale, Florida
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwAAfKka7QC2JCVGIVUzz3Xnc4XUm!*9y0Ot1SGpGy02QHLtt5ZW*AzHf4!eI4OAsgDOe*ySAHUgyYfgAx1jAdO*PH*0EC7KgxRD1wGGMVEXiYgSS7GEZw/DysonFlowCheckCr01.jpg

*****Post# 23413-10/23/2002-17:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: UK - Minneapolis & Back!!!!! World Traveller.......
MESSAGE: Robert received an email from a guy in UK some weeks ago asking if anyone was interested in "an old dryer" he forwarded the mail to the UK guys....

I phoned for details and found out it was just 40 mins away near Wigan..(Up North, famous for its Rugby).Turned out it was a Parnall Dryer just like the one I had found some months ago....anyway got it...Keith (Keymatic-Mad Washer Collector) is having it.

This was the first UK made dryer produced in 1958....The company was previously famous for making fighter planes and turned to appliances after the war....

I`ve also had a run on other items including a 1966 Hoovermatic Twinny with SlashaDrama Active Water Action...(Scott, I think it has the same parts that you need so now I know what to order!!!)

*****Post# 23414-10/23/2002-18:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Thrift store of shattered dreams :-(
MESSAGE: I was looking around at pawn shops for a drum set when I found a Goodwill store right across the street. I walked in and I was welcomed by a mid 1970s working Zenith TV (YES!!!). Well, I proceeded to walk towards the electronics section where the cool stuff lives, and what did I see? A beautiful chrome 1970s Amana Radarange just like Aunt Lillian used to own. DREAM MACHINE FOUND! I opened the door and THAT SMELL! You vintage Radarange owners know exactly what I'm talking about. I asked the lady there if the microwave worked. She said plug it in and try it. So I managed to lift that heavy thing (microwaves today don't feel like that) and bring it to the nearest power strip to test it out. First I tried the light. Ok no light, maybe it's burnt. I gave the timer a twist. My heart started pounding madly in anticipation of hearing that vintage Amana come to life and the smell of the exhaust whisking me away to my aunt's little house in the country. I push the green button and.....

NOTHING!

:'-(

Well, it's still there on the shelf just begging me to take it home. The problem is obvious. No power. Are these machines fixable? Are there parts available (diode, magnetron, etc...)? If there's hope, I'll go get the old girl and she'll sit proudly where that funky little Tragic Chef is sitting right now.

Thanks for any help!

*****Post# 23415-10/23/2002-18:55 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Overloaded wire)
MESSAGE: Not so, from the rumor mill this computer is linked to!

*****Post# 23416-10/23/2002-19:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just in off the WIRE SERVICES..... (Overloaded wire)
MESSAGE: We'll have to wait and see won't we!!
Jet

*****Post# 23419-10/23/2002-19:37 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (setting the record "
straight"
)
MESSAGE: Brent,
Sorry for any misunderstanding. No, Greg Nunn (Gansky) purchased it from me. I originally found the Bendix Duomatic that Greg now owns at a church yard sale here in Detroit. He visited Detroit a couple of years ago to pick it up.
Ken

*****Post# 23420-10/23/2002-19:40 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrift store of shattered dreams :-( (old mw parts)
MESSAGE: Jason,
there is a place in Dallas TX that specializes in old MW. They helped me get my 1982 Norelco going after I got it from the thrift store. ( I paid $7.00 for it, used it 9 years and just this weekend it did the big firework/lightshow and will now go to the great appliance store in the sky!) I can't remember the name of the place but I'm sure I got it off the internet. Hope this helps.
Tom

*****Post# 23421-10/23/2002-19:56 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (Have to wait awhile)
MESSAGE: I don't yet have a permanent spot in the basement for the 1952 Frigidaire "twins." There should be a new single washtub installed within a few weeks exclusively for this pair and the 1-18 I'm putting back together next (the cabinet still has to be refinished). When I put the new feet on the WO-65 and get a new drain hose with original equipment-looking aluminum gooseneck type drain pipe for the tub, I'll give it the official "first" wash.
I did get the new timer installed today. It works just fine. Hearing that incremental-ratcheting timer clicking sound again is like a dream come true.

*****Post# 23422-10/23/2002-20:09 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (I was excited for you! )
MESSAGE: Hello,
I was excited for you. I was trying to figure out why you were not talking about your "new" Duomatic. Now I understand.
That is a wonderful looking machine that Greg has. He say's that it works like a charm!
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 23424-10/23/2002-20:12 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Jon,
That sounds like so much fun!
I would love to see all of you guys soon and have a wash-in!
Your machines are so cool. My first pick would be your Blackstone!
Have fun!
Please do pictures again!
Wish we all lived closer!
Brent

*****Post# 23425-10/23/2002-20:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Brent you must come up to Boston sometime!! I will try to get some action shots of the Blackstone this weekend for you, however no guarantees as the 1-18 is a priority and I already have one dissassembled GE Combo on the bench right now. I hate having two machines apart at the same time, what if we accidentally put the combo tub back into the 1-18???? Yikes Matilda!
Jet

*****Post# 23426-10/23/2002-20:44 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Part Seach Help Request
MESSAGE: Hello again everybody.
I’ll drop the subject of machine repair for now, but I have a favor to ask of anyone in the club living outside of the Detroit area. That’s just about everybody.
I realize we’re busy people, but when anybody out there has a few minutes to spare, could any of you guys; north, east, south or west, please contact the local Frigidaire appliance/parts dealer (or whatever local major appliance/parts dealer that’s been in business since the 1950’s or 60’s). Sometimes old parts are more likely to be found in a "small town" appliance parts store. Just ask if they have any old GM Frigidaire parts. I’ve checked just about everywhere locally for the pulsator cap for my “new” old machine and can’t seem to come up with one. There must be more old GMFrigidaire parts out there somewhere, including the cap I need. I’ll be happy to offer a monetary “reward” for helping me find it. The old GM part number is 5435204 and is described in the 1962 Master Publication parts book as “Pulsator Cap rubber-gray” It originally was black. The color doesn’t matter. I just would like to find the part.
I don’t know if this post is a good idea, or an irritating, nervy request. But I thought I would give it a try. I do know I would be willing to do the same for any of you, and help check locally for any part that you might need.
If anyone comes up with anything, please e-mail me or write a post in response.
Thanks!
Ken (kennywhy@att.net)

*****Post# 23427-10/23/2002-21:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend
MESSAGE: Jon sounds like a pure blast. And a root beer cabinet, very rare. I can't wait to see pics. Frigidaire had such rich distinctive colors, with maytag behind in the color quality as far as I'm concerned. And thanks for taking pics. Again, will be sitting on the edge of my computer seat awaiting. Give my best to John & Cliff since John doesn't look at his computer (according to HQOTS)

*****Post# 23428-10/23/2002-21:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG
MESSAGE: Mark, if LG comes out with a stand-alone washer of this magnitude, then I'm gonna be hopin' the Shredmore lasts a while longer, this may be the machine I'll get instead of a HE3T. One spec I've seen is 1400 rpm spin.

*****Post# 23430-10/23/2002-21:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (setting the record )
MESSAGE: Ken, thanks for the reminder of the sequence of events. I did remember that the Duomatic came from a church, but I thought it was in Omaha, not Detroit. I was still pretty new in the club then and couldn't keep all the players straight.

*****Post# 23431-10/23/2002-21:34 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Pictures -- Yay!
MESSAGE: Here are a few pictures of the 57 Maytag before painting. Rhinnie and I had a wash-a-thon last Friday morning.

*****Post# 23432-10/23/2002-21:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: I have to admit, I'm a bit envious. I hate being so isolated and removed from most everyone else and all the fun. I bet a wash-in and being with all you guys would help cure my deep blues (and no, it's not blue jeans I'm referring to).

*****Post# 23433-10/23/2002-21:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Jon, I hope some day I'll be able to experience my first Blackstone & GE combo.

*****Post# 23434-10/23/2002-21:43 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Mini East Coast Washi In )
MESSAGE: Jon
I hope you guys will have a real great time, I wish I could be their
Happy washing
Peter

*****Post# 23437-10/23/2002-21:56 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, I sure agree with Brent, I wish that you guys lived closer. Your weekend plans sound like so much fun. Please keep us posted and take lots of pictures. Thanks

*****Post# 23438-10/23/2002-22:01 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures Steve. Mitzi sure looks cute. Looks like the Maytag and the Westinghouse are both going strong.

*****Post# 23439-10/23/2002-22:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Part Seach Help Request (Tragedy)
MESSAGE: The local long-time Frigidaire/Maytag and Radio Shack dealer just sold their business. The Radio Shack part moved to another location in town, and the appliance part is just gone. I kinda know the people, and did ask if they had any Frigidaire parts left from the 50s and 60s -- no, that stuff had been disposed long ago. Possibly a few items from the 70s and later, but probably very little. They also trashed a bunch of TV parts (vacuum tubes). No Frigidaire machines stashed away either. They do have a couple vintage Maytag wringers that they've kept for years.

*****Post# 23440-10/23/2002-22:56 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (Thanks Steve!)
MESSAGE: Those were cool pictures!
I love the way that you have all of your machines in a row!
I hope to have the same situation one day!
Brent

*****Post# 23441-10/23/2002-23:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay!
MESSAGE: Glad to see the Maytag up and running nicely in it's new home, thanks for the pics! How did the painting come out? I think the light you were talking about is actually a switch in the lid that has been disabled to allow for viewing with the lid raised.

I've been playing with the Quietline combo you brought, it's a decent washer, but the dryer is unbearably slow, just like you said! It's a fun little machine and don't tell anyone ;-) but I adjusted the water level even a little higher to get better rinsing!

Give Rhinne a hug for me - Greg

*****Post# 23442-10/23/2002-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (setting the record )
MESSAGE: And I love that washer!!!! It was my first "dream" machine and will always have a prime spot in my collection - thank you again Ken!!

*****Post# 23443-10/23/2002-23:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (Have to wait awhile)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Ken - you have a wonderful piece of Frigidaire and washer history. I use my WO-65 all the time and love every click of every minute of the cycle!

*****Post# 23444-10/23/2002-23:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Good luck with your re-building party, I can't wait to see it! I think the GE tub might be a bit too large for the 1-18 and remember the golden rule - "if it's too big, don't force it."

Have fun! Greg

*****Post# 23445-10/24/2002-01:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: I would love to see Jetcones ABCs in action!!!

BTW are you going to submit them to the museum? Would love to see them there. And video! (incing on the cake)

*****Post# 23447-10/24/2002-05:35 ||| JEtcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Part Seach Help Request (Tragedy)
MESSAGE: Dadoes, don't you hate that> IT seems to me that people have a sense that wringers are old washing machines and automatics no matter what age are new machines and not worth hanging on to.
ATTENTION AMERICA SAVE YOUR AUTOMATICS!!!!
jet

*****Post# 23448-10/24/2002-05:38 ||| JEtcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: HAHAHAHAHAH~ oh gawd! wouldn't it be better to force it than put a teenie tiny tub in a big machine??? I mean how loose do you want it???
wish you were here Greg so you could see your manuals in action!
jet

*****Post# 23449-10/24/2002-05:43 ||| JEtcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (Nice machine!)
MESSAGE: Steve that maytag is in beaut shape! Mitzi must be very happy aboard that toasty hot water heater. It looks just like the one I sent Robert. How do you like the washability of the westy? I have a 1990 machine in storage I am going to bring out soon and play with. We'll have to compare notes.
I love this Frigidaire Queen what is she holding up though?
jet

*****Post# 23450-10/24/2002-05:49 ||| JEtcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 bellows replacement (Have to wait awhile-Combo "
skitch..skitch"
)
MESSAGE: DO you know guys I was very surprised to find on my 1970 GE Combo that it uses an incremental timer that sounds just like my W0-65 as it advances. Very comforting wash sound! By 1970 my Mom's 70 Whirlpool had the new sneaky timers that were silent and all of a sudden moved as if the hand of a ghost had just come and turned it! Very spoky moment the first time I saw it. Her old '56 GE could be heard even in pause mode clicking away to the next dramatic momnent of wash!
jet

*****Post# 23452-10/24/2002-08:26 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun! )
MESSAGE: You can live close in, like I do, but it doesn't help anything if whenever folks are having these things, they don't invite you.......

I think I'm actually an ogre, according to the Boston group. Never mind that I'm retired and don't get out much, and might have liked to join in too. That's fine.
I'll be sure to host again real soon, because I feel so welcome and included here.
Fortunately, it's about the MACHINES for me, and not about the guys who collect them.
I was never asked to host in the first place....I just crashed that party uninvited too.......oh dear. Woe is me. I'm gonna go eat worms now.

*****Post# 23454-10/24/2002-08:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (Nice machine!)
MESSAGE: It is the one you sent Robert!! He brought it to me after he got the '49 AMP and I sent it on to Steve - that washer has a really colorful past!

*****Post# 23456-10/24/2002-08:35 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: I can't begin to tell you all the naughty thoughts going through my head right now! GRIN

Les

*****Post# 23457-10/24/2002-08:51 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Norge 15 (Norge by Borg Warner??)
MESSAGE: When I was a kid there was a laundromat in my neighborhood with Norge machines. They had a couple of rows of older top loaders from late 50's in white with the overflo rinse cycle and two rows of newer Norge's from mid-60's in turquoise that did not do overflo rinse. The transmissions on the newer machines were much noisier than the earlier ones (and the older ones were pretty noisey). They also had a small row of Norge coin-op front loaders. I loved the glass window on the doors of those machines. They had a "trap door"-like shoot built into the glass for the soap dispenser. It reminded me of a mailbox flap. If the machine oversuds the bubbles would ooze out of this slot.

*****Post# 23458-10/24/2002-09:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun!)
MESSAGE: Oh Bob, stop complaining! Here am I, still the only member on the European continent. There is are lots of water between me and all the other members.

BTW, if there is anyone from the European continent reading this and still not a member, then join the club. Perhaps we could organize a European wash-in or perhaps even organize a convention!!!!

Louis

*****Post# 23459-10/24/2002-09:32 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend (Fun! )
MESSAGE: Hi Bob! I don't know if you'll sell your record player on ebay, but you may get a few dates out of it. Looking pretty good. Crunch, crunch!!

*****Post# 23460-10/24/2002-09:42 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini East Coast Washi In at Jetcone's this weekend ('57 MOTOROLA SALE)
MESSAGE: Actually, the phono sold within 12 hours of being listed, and the buyer, who's name is also Bob, has already sent electronic payment!

Thanks for the compliment on my belly. It's 30 pounds ligher this year than it was last year, and that's not by accident!

*****Post# 23466-10/24/2002-14:41 ||| rotoswirl (Walnut Creek,Ca.)
SUBJECT: What year were the classics discontinued?
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what year the following washers were discontinued?
Apex,Easy,ABC Omatic,Kelvinator,Hamilton,Norge,Philco,Bendix,Blackstone,Westinghouse,Thor,Magic Chef,Gibson,Speed Queen,and Hoover.

*****Post# 23467-10/24/2002-14:45 ||| rotoswirl (Walnut Creek,Ca.)
SUBJECT: Oh yea I forgot one more.
MESSAGE: I forgot the Wizard line. I know it came out in the late fifties but then what happened to it?

*****Post# 23468-10/24/2002-15:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge)
MESSAGE: I know that Borg-Warner was still making washers and dryers in the early 1970's because my oldest sister bought one of the last models around that time. It had an extremely large tub and an all-white "burpalator". The transmission was extremly noisy especially during agitation. The tub was perforated unlike the earlier solid tub Norges. And it had a very quick drain before it began spinning - much faster than a Kenmore drain. I missed the old Norge throwspin.

Wizards went out in late 60's I think because, best I remember, that's when Western Auto stores began closing.

*****Post# 23469-10/24/2002-16:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge)
MESSAGE: There are still some Western Auto stores about, but like a lot of stores, they sell name-brand appliances rather than private label brands, so "Wizard" and "Citation" have disappeared.

Does anyone know what year Norge stopped being a Borg Warner product? Certain aspects of their washer design live on today in the Maytag line.

*****Post# 23470-10/24/2002-16:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG
MESSAGE: I had the HE3T set and couldn't WAIT to get rid of it! Dispensing bleach in the first rinse! INDEED!!! Mark

*****Post# 23471-10/24/2002-16:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay!
MESSAGE: That is the same washer that my grandmother had when I was born! I foolishly gave it away three years ago! Kick me. Mark

Just make sure you start the 1-18 Beer Butt after the re-build and then finish with the BLACKSTONE in full spin-off as the finale!!!!!

Cheers,

Mike

p.s. does the Blackstone do a spin-off or is it a neutral drain????

*****Post# 23473-10/24/2002-16:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay!
MESSAGE: That model washer DID have a light in the lid that when opened, would shine into the tub. (models from 54 to 59) There was a slit cut in the bottom front frame of the lid and that's where the light holder was placed. Steam from a hot water wash usually got into the socket and shorted it out. (and also let the machine shock you!) No grounding plugs then. The light was opperated by one of the mercury switches in the lid.

Me and Keith (Keymatic) have been putting our heads together for a wash-in & meet-up in the next few weeks, thinking about a group meet early next year....only 40mins for Manchester so start checking your EasyJet schedule!!!

Cheers, Mike

p.s. the AEG twinny on e-bay....aparently it was sold over here as well...

The Parnall dryer is quite small compared to your models...its 20inch wide and deep and 30inches high...

The door measures 14 by 15 inches and the drum opening diameter is 13 inches ...takes about a 7lb load...its a very solid & heavy machine...on castors and moves quite easily, uses the same drying method as your Halo-of-Heat dryers and throws the moist air out of the top...

I hear you car port is moving out to the road you`ve gotten so many appliances now, well done..

*****Post# 23478-10/24/2002-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: UK - Minneapolis & Back!!!!! World Traveller.......
MESSAGE: I can't see the pictures! Yahoo is acting up again - for the last couple of days now...

You mean all this time there was a light in the lid and I didn't know it?? Cool!

*****Post# 23480-10/24/2002-18:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Wizard/Citation)
MESSAGE: My parents have a Wizard upright freezer still working and my grandparents have a Citation deep freezer. We also had a Wizard window air conditioner that "lost its magic" so we gave him a proper burial (Krusher). My aunt had a Wizard washer at her house in the country. The agitation made this distinct "cling clang". Must've been something loose in the tranny. I think in the late 70s was the end of Wizard/Citation because I remember seeing Wizard washers on the showroom floor in the late 70s.

*****Post# 23482-10/24/2002-20:07 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Who bought who?
MESSAGE: Who bought GM Frigidaire? Who would get mad if I restarted the Pulsator? Help me I need to know!

*****Post# 23483-10/24/2002-20:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge)
MESSAGE: Actually, Borg Warner was no longer making Norge washers by the 70's. By that time, Norge had already been sold to Fedders (air conditioning) Corp. And after that, Maytag bought Norge, but I understand the Norge named appliances are opnly distributed in the Midwest.

*****Post# 23484-10/24/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who bought who?
MESSAGE: I doubt anyone here would get mad if you did that, Jamie. Not to mention countless people who went to replace their 50s and 60s washers in the 80s and could not get what they wanted!!

Matter of fact, if you decide to start a company and manufacture these washers someday (personally I think this would be a very admirable career goal!), I bet you could find all kinds of employees right here!

*****Post# 23485-10/24/2002-20:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge)
MESSAGE: That's interesting to know. I did once see one of those Repairmaster manuals once that said "for all Norge and Fedders automatic washers". I have never seen a Fedders automatic washer, but that explains it!

*****Post# 23487-10/24/2002-21:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (Nice machine!)
MESSAGE: Maybel Maytag sure does get around. A lot more than Happy Hotpoint LOL. It's a shame, I guess she's been run through the wringer. And with such a colorful past, she's not even yellow, acqua, or pink.

*****Post# 23488-10/24/2002-21:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Norge 15
MESSAGE: Scott, thanks for the lovely compliment about my Mom. Unfortunately, she wasn't a blonde. But, she did look like Myrna Loy in her younger days that is for sure!!!

And, the answer is ... NO, I wouldn't have a Norge 15 in my collection today--at least not the push-button model, because I didn't agree with some of the "programming"--ever. The one Norge that was at the museum that I did get to run a bit (the one with the way lop-sided timer knob) was enough of a waltz down memory lane. Everyone was so impressed that I could find the "suds return" portion on the timer dial and have it agitate for them LOL.

*****Post# 23490-10/24/2002-22:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge)
MESSAGE: Yes, Les, the last of the true Norges surely did have a very fast running drain. Case in point, our neighbor across the street replaced her L110 Laundromat with a Monkey Wards version of today's POD. Then, that was replaced with another Monkey Wards version of a Norge washer like what your sister had. They had to have the drain hose clamped in a way to slow down the extremely fast flow of water because otherwise, water shot back out of the drain, which was kind of at an angle in the wall, kinda wierd though too. Yes, this last machine was very noisy. My mom called it a thrashing machine compared to our Kenmore 800. Between the sucking sound of the pump while washing and the burping of the filter under the fabric softener dispenser, it was quite a sound drama machine.

*****Post# 23491-10/24/2002-22:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Norge 15
MESSAGE: Yes I remember that, when you were able to get that machine to agitate! And I remembered, that you didn't like some of the programming of the machine. Maybe that's why today most manufacturers pretty much just put the selections on separate dials and let you make up your own cycles.

I mainly wondered if you would want it from a pure nostalgia point of view, so many years removed. How about some the other machines, such as the GE or the Kenmore? I'm *sure* you would love to have a Bendix be part of your collection! ;-)

*****Post# 23493-10/24/2002-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Try this link to LG
MESSAGE: Mark, I know you didn't have a good experience with your HE3t, and I'm sorry. But, I've had a love affair with this machine since it waas announced (and the 2001 Minneapolis conventioneers can attest to my excitement in the search for a Sears with the brand new display models at the time). And as scandelous as it may sound, I've not used chlorine bleach since my surgery a year ago. I've been very pleased with Biz soaks as well as Oxy-clean type of products soaks (the latter thanks to Mobilemaidbear). Front loaders are my passion, other than GM Frigidaires!!!

*****Post# 23494-10/24/2002-22:28 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (Name that Machine)
MESSAGE: The 57 Maytag was named Julia after my great Aunt Julia. She had a similar washer in her kitchen in upstate NY.

steve 1-18

*****Post# 23495-10/24/2002-22:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay!
MESSAGE: Apparently!!! Mark raised the lid of knowledge to the bright idea that was in store for all of us to see. But I have to ask, what good was the light in the lid when you couldn't officially watch the wash action when the lid was raised??

*****Post# 23496-10/24/2002-22:37 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: There's another Maytag, too. An 806A coppertone I found at applianceland last night. I would guess it's a mid 60's model. It weighs a ton and is built like a tank.

I brought it home, unloaded it onto the carport and fired it up tonight. It has 5 buttons for wash & rinse temps; three for the speeds: Regular, Gentle and Wash n Wear; three for the water levels. Two of the three white buttons are missing for the water levels. Only have 'large.'

It has a bleach dispenser (reservoir type), tub light and a full length flourescent light for the control panel.

The timer advances with a snap (click). Definitely 'old school.'

It looks like it could use new belts. The belt for the water pump was real loose.

The motor mounting seems real loose too. Is it supposed to slide back and forth and tilt?

I let it spin and the panel light goes dim for about 5 seconds and once the starting capacitor clicks the light goes back to full brightness. It spins very quiet once it gets up to full speed. It may not be a problem with the motor -- I was using an extension cord. With all the belts off, the motor works fine.

Any suggestions on maintenance for this 'new' baby?

I'll clean her up this weekend and take some pictures.

Steve 1-18

*****Post# 23497-10/24/2002-22:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Norge 15
MESSAGE: Yes, I would LOVE to have a Bendix with the Magic Heater and the 500+ rpm spin (two stepped like Robert's DuoMatic). My other desirew would be a WCI58 washer. The best of both worlds!!!

*****Post# 23499-10/24/2002-22:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD--Norge 15
MESSAGE: And believe me, I don't see how that machine could "do" it. My parent's King-size bed sheets & 3 pillow cases just about filled it up. Prior to that, the GE had to do each sheet with the pillow cases and maybe a towel or two thrown in. Or another linen load were my sisters' two twin beds and that was it.

*****Post# 23500-10/24/2002-22:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: And you told me the only Maytag thing allowed in your house wa your water heater. The new addition sounds great. But I have to comment, if there are only 3 water level buttons, it sounds like a standard 14 pound capacity machihne. The larger capacity machine would have tghe ex-large button--4 buttons for water levels, I think.

*****Post# 23501-10/24/2002-22:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (wash-a-thon?)
MESSAGE: R U trying to put me to shame the day I did 10 loads in the Georgia wash-in? Remember too, we were distracted by other stuff during the day too.

*****Post# 23502-10/24/2002-22:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (What Agi???)
MESSAGE: I used spray can paint. First I sanded the surface. The primed with Rustoleum primer. Then finished with appliance epoxy spray paint. The weather was perfect last weekend, mid 70's, sunny with a slight breeze. Did the painting under the carport. I was very pleased with the results.

I am considering buying a Black & Decker Mouse sander for some of the more rusty projects.

Most of the agitators in my collection are relatively new. I'll take some updated pictures of them and the studio this weekend.

Steve 1-18

*****Post# 23503-10/24/2002-22:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: It will be fun to see those pictures, I've not seen a coppertone Maytag in a long time. I never knew there were Maytag water heaters til I saw Steve's picture!

I've grown over time to appreciate the vintage Maytags. For all their frailties and things we love to hate and would have changed had we been at the helm, there's just a certain quality, a lot like the Frigidaires, that you just don't see today. And those top line ones with the lights are just devine!

I'm also very fond of Greg's halo of heat dryer. It dries quickly, quietly, evenly and beautifully, and all you have to do is push a button!

*****Post# 23504-10/24/2002-23:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: Congrats on your find Steve. The "06" style Maytags came out in 1966-67 so it would be sometime around the later 60's. I can't find any designation of the 'A' in the books, but I suspect it might either have something to do with the addition of the cool-down on the Perm-Press cycle or the unbalance switch design, and possibly the addition of the fourth water level all of which changed in 1969. The water level buttons should be Small, Medium, Normal and Large.

The motor is on a "carriage" mounting and should pull forward under full load and move back toward the front corner as the water is pumped out of the tub and clothes. The pump belt is normally a bit loose, but new belts are not a bad idea on a machine of this age for sure.

As ImperialBob mentioned in an earlier post, if the mechanism is sluggish when first starting, you could have a water leak or if there's evidence of grease leaking, a bad tranny seal.

If you'd like to soup this baby up for faster agitation and spinning, I can give you the part numbers for the motor pulley and belts you'll need. It makes a world of difference in the performance - raises the spin speed up close to 800 and with the faster agitation, you won't have sheets and other items floating on the top from the air bubbles in the rinse cycle.

*****Post# 23505-10/24/2002-23:55 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: NEW OLD GE PORTABLE DISHWASHER! (congrads Mark!)
MESSAGE: Mark, congrads, I love the old dishwashers, would love to see pics if and when you get a chance..........

*****Post# 23506-10/25/2002-00:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: My poor 906 dryer was sick this week, but seems to be fully recovered now. As much as I'd hoped all my "babies" would behave when company was here, the 906 dryer gave Don a small shock when he touched the control panel once and we noticed it sparking where the metal vent tubing touched the water pipes in the laundry room. I took the back and panel cover off and could find nothing visibly wrong, so I set about removing the entire cabinet to check the element, which low and behold, was the problem. There was one little bend in the element coil that was touching the shroud which made the entire cabinet electrified! I fixed that problem and did some experimenting with the resistors (which control how long the dryer continues to run after the sensor circuit tells the electronic control the load is dry to prevent wet seams, etc.) and found the combination that works best. I also installed a proper grounding wire as the electronic control dryers must be externally grounded to work properly. When Peter and Jimmy were here this summer, it would dry one load fine and then not start again for the second - the grounding seems to have cured the problem now, I've run about 6 loads through and it's worked just fine.

*****Post# 23508-10/25/2002-00:34 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Wizard/Citation(never heard of this brand))
MESSAGE: Hmmmm?? I never, ever heard of this brand?? They were independent? They just stopped being made or were bought out?

*****Post# 23510-10/25/2002-00:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: Greg, glad you found the problem. If I recall correctly, during one of our telephone wash-ins, the 906 didn't wanna start up right after you'd taken a load out and put another one in.

*****Post# 23511-10/25/2002-01:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge(Fedders??))
MESSAGE: Nope, for a brief time, Fedders was part of the holding company that had the rights to the Norge product (washers). Norge, Magic Chef, Fedders, and maybe a few others.

*****Post# 23512-10/25/2002-01:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge(Fedders??))
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Well it sounds like they bought Norge at some point in time. I have seen a Fedders refrigerator, and according to this Repairmaster book I saw, they must have rebadged a Norge washer and sold it under the Fedders name. Never did see any of those around here though.

*****Post# 23513-10/25/2002-07:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Fedders sitting in my Basement!
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone!
So interesting that vintage airconditioners came up.
I have so much stuff in my basement, that when I was "cleaning" this weekend and throwing stuff out, in the corner I saw something that looked like an airconditioner! Oh my, I have been here 8 years and never noticed it. It is in good shape. I did not notice it because it was wrapped in insulation, I guess to "preserve" it? I thought that it was a ball of insulation all these years. (duh!) It is a Fedders. I could not tell until I pulled the front cover that was sitting on the top of the airconditioner unit and turned it over. The front cover is turquoise, and it is the one with the big circle vent on the left hand side that can spin around for air direction. The controls are on the top, and you can slide the little turquoise covers to get to the controls. Very interesting design. The outer shell that would sit in the window to hold the airconditioner in place is there also, and in good shape.
I would say that it would work. I don't want it, but I am not going to throw it away. It uses a 220 line. I did not investigate what the BTU's were.
I will trade it for a Duomatic or a Kenmore Combo! Hee Hee!!!
Brent

*****Post# 23515-10/25/2002-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Wizard/Citation(never heard of this brand))
MESSAGE: Early Wizard laundry products were Franklin machines, later built by Norge. Wizard was a brand at Western Auto stores like Coronado was the brand name that Gambles stores used for their appliances -also Franklin/Norge & later WCI products.

*****Post# 23516-10/25/2002-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: Exactly, it didn't do that all the time but last week I put a load in right after another load and it wouldn't start when I pushed the button. The heat would come on, but the motor wouldn't start.

*****Post# 23517-10/25/2002-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge(Fedders??))
MESSAGE: I've never seen a Fedders branded washer, but have seen "Norge by Fedders" on a washer and dryer.

*****Post# 23518-10/25/2002-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fedders sitting in my Basement! (WIndow A/C's)
MESSAGE: Cool find - a ball of insulation HAHAHAHA! That thing probably weighs a million pounds, good luck (and be careful) moving it - that's probably why it's still there. We used to have a Fedders window a/c that had the round air louver on the front but ours was a small unit for a bedroom. My grandparents had a giant Fedders mounted in the wall of their living room that replaced a rounded corner, gray Philco that we inherited.

*****Post# 23519-10/25/2002-08:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: 1960's GE washer/dryer combo in PINK!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: EBAY has a GE combination washer dryer in mint/working condition(so the seller says) including the use and care guide!!!starting bid is $250 and it is in Sacramento,Ca.6 days left on bid and no bidders as of yet.Good luck!!

*****Post# 23521-10/25/2002-08:34 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Norge(Fedders??)popularity?)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, I never have seen those eithe. As a matter of fact, was the Norge a less popular washer than the other brands during those times?

*****Post# 23522-10/25/2002-09:08 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: You're lucky you found a Maytag with a "click" timer still functioning. That seemed to always be the first thing that went bad on the older Maytags. And when a Maytag repairman replaced them he would always install the newer timer motor that didn't have that wonderful quick-advancing click. The later ones would advance to the next position rather slowly.

If you ever have a Georgia wash-in at your place I'd love to see it. What color is the agitator, black or blue?
Les

*****Post# 23523-10/25/2002-09:11 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Maytag?!
MESSAGE: I agree. The early AMP's like Robert Unimatic's 49 and models like the 57 (or 58) sunny yellow he has with the lighted back panel do hold alot of charm with me. Love that click timer they (and the Frigidaires) have.

*****Post# 23524-10/25/2002-09:14 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Wizard/Citation(never heard of this brand))
MESSAGE: The Wizard washers in the 50's & 60's had many similarities to the Hotpoints. I believe they used the same basic tranny design.

*****Post# 23525-10/25/2002-09:23 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Fedders sitting in my Basement!
MESSAGE: Brent, you've found a little AC treasure. That Fedders model you have was a very popular and very well built air conditioner. Are the push button controls white or black? I think you have one of the early versions of that model if it's turquoise. The later one s had a white cover and white buttons.Is the thermostat a rotary know or a slide bar? What color is the outer frame?

If you have a basement or large laundry room where you are setting up any of your washers and dryers that vintage Fedders would be a nice addition. What better way to keep nice and cool during summer wash-ins than with a vintage Fedders? A 220 power line shouldn't be hard to install. The BTU's of that model is probably around 10 or 12,000.

Some versions of that design had a "constant run" position on the thermostat so no matter how cool the room got, the compressor would never shut off. Problem is that the unit tended to ice over after awhile.

*****Post# 23526-10/25/2002-09:27 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: GE POD
MESSAGE: The pink GE's are beautiful. Does anyone know what year the set is? I think it's a 56. I believe 56 and 57 are the two years GE placed the timer control of the dryer on the left hand side. It was still on the right in 55.

I didn't forget you. I specifically said European continent. If you include the UK there are even more members than the two of us. But while you British are dwelling there together I am still on my own here on the other side of the Channel. And still lots of water between us.

I would consider flying to Manchester (I've been there before, I even broke my arm there last year) but I'm quite far away from the airport I'm afraid. But I'm sure I will come to Manchester again and hope to meet you then.

Louis

*****Post# 23528-10/25/2002-12:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures -- Yay! (wash-a-thon?)
MESSAGE: My goodness, that was a short but intense enjoyment. The day that the world spun a little faster!

*****Post# 23530-10/27/2002-23:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Telephone Wash-Ins
MESSAGE: I don't know about telephone washins, but I can't believe a whole day has gone by without any posts. Maybe two days!

Todays classified section had an ad for "Retro pink kitchen appliances" including a countertop range unit, two single ovens, a double sink and a dishwasher all GE and all pink. I'm heading over to look at them tomorrow evening. There was no price advertised and the owner said "I could get a fortune for them on ebay, but I just need them out of my garage." Well, I don't know what ebay she's looking at, but I will check them out, the house is only a few blocks from here. I certainly don't need them but you never know, the dishwasher could be fun!

*****Post# 23532-10/27/2002-23:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were the classics discontinued? (Hotpoint/Beam/Franklin)
MESSAGE: Very early Hotpoint automatic washers used some Beam designed parts that may have been similar to other Beam/Franklin machines, but by the later 50's and 60's, Hotpoint's design was completely different from the Franklin machines like Wizard and Coronado.

*****Post# 23533-10/27/2002-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Telephone Wash-Ins
MESSAGE: Since Bob can't fly in whenever he gets the urge to use an vintage automatic, he'll call and choose the machine, the detergent and get to hear the machine running - not quite as good as being in front of it, but it's better than nothing! I would love to do a "laundry cam" someday for live streaming video of the laundry rooms so everyone can enjoy them.

*****Post# 23534-10/28/2002-00:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Telephone Wash-Ins
MESSAGE: I don't think that was by design, Rich. Something has been haywire with the background workings of the site. I tried to post a couple times Friday and see the picture of the day, and it wouldn't let me, til just now. Glad we are back in business!

*****Post# 23535-10/28/2002-03:22 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: (OMG) it's working!!!!!!
MESSAGE: As the motor humms and the basket turns, will the saga of cleaning clothes comes to an end because of Classic Applianceville was down for a few days?

*****Post# 23537-10/28/2002-06:25 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: OH OH!
MESSAGE: Last Friday morning, before going to work, I was out in the carport checking out the coppertone Maytag. Rhinnie put his hand on top of the latest acquisition and said: "O or." I asked, "what?" He said, "O or!" NOw for thjose of you who have never met Rhinnie, he had a stroke 5 years ago and it has affected his speech. Loosely translated "O or" means "NO MORE!"

I guess I'll just have to pretent I didn't understand what he was saying!

Steve 1-18

*****Post# 23538-10/28/2002-06:28 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: OH OH! (Yay! we are back up!)
MESSAGE: I love it Steve! Sure glad that we are back up! I missed all of you.

*****Post# 23539-10/28/2002-06:37 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Scavenger
MESSAGE: I was going to Lowes for the n’th time and saw a car pulling up to the back (the appliance department as far as I’m concerned). A guy go out and started to look at the machines. The nerve of some people, In broad daylight, too.

I gained my composure, rolled down my window and in my most polite Suzanne Sugarbaker voice, said, “Excuse me, EXCUSE ME! Are you scavenging, too?” I introduced myself, and found he picks up old machines to repair and gets his spare parts from the ‘appliance department’ at Lowes, too.

I now have another contact. He is not interested in the real old stuff, so it will work out that we can peacefully co-exist. Lucky for him!

Now select a cycle. Press 1 for Normal, press 2 for wash'n'wear, press 3 for delicate

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Now sit back, relax, and enjoy our newly restored 1970 Kenmore 800

*****Post# 23541-10/28/2002-07:22 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Georgia Washer Boys
MESSAGE: I have e-mailed an invitation to members of the Classic Appliance Club whose member profile says you reside in Georgia, South Carolina or Alabama.

I would like to network the Georgia, South Carolina and Alabama members into a smaller sub-club for meetings, social events, workshops, wash-ins, etc.

Some of you have met each other and some have not.

If you are interested in being included in the “Georgia Wash Boys” please e-mail me and I will keep you posted. The first meeting will be next Saturday, November 2nd in Atlanta.

If you did not get an e-mail (it was not done intentionally) and would like to be included on the mailing list, email me at svb14@hotmail.com. Be sure to put 'Classic Appliances' or 'Georgia Wash Boys' in the Subject box or your e-mail may be filtered out.

If you want to phone me, email me and I will send you my phone number.

Steve 1-18

*****Post# 23542-10/28/2002-10:56 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found
MESSAGE: what i would not do for a pink GE DW, would love to see pics

*****Post# 23543-10/28/2002-11:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: How did this slip by
MESSAGE: Look at this...

*****Post# 23546-10/28/2002-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: (OMG) it's working!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi everyone one, Neal and I left for Lake Tahoe on Thursday monring and we come home late on Sunday evening to find that the ISP has screwed up and let the site fall down once again. Looks like I can't turn my back for one little moment can I?

Anyway, a quick call to the ISP seems to have gotten everything back up and running.

*****Post# 23547-10/28/2002-13:38 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: How did this slip by
MESSAGE: Hi Peter! Did you contact the seller since no one bid on it? Lot's of guys in the club would LOVE to have that machine. Great find! Mark

*****Post# 23550-10/28/2002-14:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How did this slip by
MESSAGE: No, I didn't. I have overdone my appliance budget this year! As much as I'd love a slant front Westy, it is another dryer. Someone else can contact the seller and see if they can get it.

*****Post# 23555-10/28/2002-17:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Westinghouse Dryer Parts
MESSAGE: Cool find - these will work for my D-3 dryer from 1950, I'll bid. This is the same seller that my 1954 Speed Queen washer and dryer came from in Rockford, IL.

*****Post# 23556-10/28/2002-18:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator/ABC history lesson
MESSAGE: Wow! That was really interesting. Where did you find the link and how old is the information because nothing is mentionaed about being swallowed by WCI.

*****Post# 23558-10/28/2002-22:04 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: Magtag agitator origins
MESSAGE: I was wondering when Maytag started using a corkscrew agitator in their line of Atlantis toploaders?

*****Post# 23559-10/29/2002-00:48 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator/ABC history lesson (Kelvinator)
MESSAGE: What an interesting article. Growing up in Phoenix we had a Kelvinator refrigerator. I believe my parents brought it with them when they moved there in 1950 from Detroit. It lasted until 1968 when my Mother "remodeled" the kitchen. She bought a NEW Kelvinator side by side in avocado green (bought at Woolco.) It matched the new Tappen 5 burner avocado stove. The stove replaced a Detroit Jewel range that they moved from Detroit. The washer...a new square tub Maytag wringer...no automatics for my mother!

We kids look back and wonder how on earth did she ever keep enough food in the old Kelvinator for a family of 7. It was not frost free, had a tiny freezer compartment and though big in size, didn't seem to have a lot of capacity. And grocery shopping was just done on Wednesday, with an occasional addition on Saturdays.

Oh, and both stove and fridge were still going strong when she traded them in!!

*****Post# 23560-10/29/2002-05:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator)
MESSAGE: Kenmore started the dual-action agitator back in 1977 and had a patent, copyright or whatever on it for 20 years(?) and now that those 20 years are over, EVERYONE AND THEIR MAMA is using the DAA. Even the new Frigidaire washers have them.

*****Post# 23561-10/29/2002-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: You are right - the dual action came to the market in 1977. Work began on developement in 1972-73 and according to testimony in a Canadian patent infringement lawsuit brought by Whirlpool against GE in 1997 the orginal patent for the auger topped, flexible vaned agitator was applied for in 1975. When this auger design was in initial testing, they used rigid vanes at the bottom instead of the familiar flexible vanes we know now. The first prototype was dubbed "The Golden Gobbler" by the design team because "it was the worst tangling machine we'd ever seen." Once the flexible vanes were implemented, the agitator went to market and was exclusive to WP/KM until 1995 when other manufacturers began using a similar agitator in their machines.

*****Post# 23562-10/29/2002-08:11 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: But isn't that the same agitator that earned the name "shredmore"?
I do remember a Sears commercial way back where they were showwing a red sock make it's way through a load of whites, demonstrating the new agitator design could move the clothes through the tightest of wash loads. I just can't believe that even 20 years after it was introduced, nothing else was designed to superceed it and that Maytag started to feature it in their lineup. I guess the Launch of the Neptune line kept the Maytag men and women busy in the engineering dept.

In this same lawsuit I read, it mentioned Maytag's use of the flexible vaned agitator in the 1960's allowed them to get 50 percent more load capacity in their washers versus the older, solid vaned agitator in prior machines. I don't know how true that is, but it illustrated one of the benefits of the flexible vanes.

*****Post# 23564-10/29/2002-09:20 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Jet-Cone agitator.
MESSAGE: Who hold's the patent on the jet-cone agitator that Frigidaire used in there machines when it was under G.M. Does anyone think it will be made again?

I noticed Amana is using an agitator that looks alot like the "sugilator" agitator from Whirlpool with a fabric softener dispenser on top. Amana is also calling it a "Flex Vane Agitator with 210° Agitation Stroke", It looks diffrent than the Maytag agitator, but they are both calling it a "flex vane". I am confused.
-Alex

*****Post# 23567-10/29/2002-10:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Maytag probably redesigned their tranmission knowing that the DAA patents would be coming up soon and they needed a DAA with their new orbital designed transmission, because the new short, fast stroke that the obital tranny provided could not clean as well and needed the auger to get clothes moving. GE was the last of the top 3 to redesign their tranny for a short, fast stroke also, and by then the DAA was a free-for-all.

Jenn-Air and Magic Chef washers, as acquired by Maytag, were the decendants from Norge. Maytag kept this design, and when they realized that the classic long-stroke agitation did in fact do a better job in large tub machines (Maytag was always being nailed for not having the capacity of their competitors), they introduced it into their own line, first as the Performas, and then as Atlanis. It did not take them long to develope a DAA for the Norge decendants where it appeard first in the TOL Perfoma and worked its way down to all machines. Maytag keeps the smaller capacity, orbital transmission machines WITHOUT the DAA for their coin-op line, where the Norge-size capacity machines would not be cost effective in that situation (water hogs and probably a shorter life span in a commercially punishing business).

The DAA allows more clothes because the DAA MOVES more clothes and thus cleans MORE clothes.

Maytag was the first to have the flexible skirt vanes on their agitators (the KM Roto-Flex and the Hotpoint rubber pointed Thriftivator notwithstanding). I think the KM DAA was next, then all the DAA's, then the Amana/SQ adopted it last. Instead of moving more clothes as they claimed, I think the real reason for flexible skirt fins was to lessen the stress on the transmission while washing a big loads. Why else would the old Maytags be so dependable?

-ph

*****Post# 23568-10/29/2002-11:03 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet-Cone agitator.
MESSAGE: Do not know who holds the patent, however it would be great is they were made again. My parents had 2 Frigidaire washing machines and they were the best at washing and spinning. I would say they were as good as the front loaders. I cannot remember the model numbers only that the first one they bought was in mid sixties and it was called a Rapid Dry 1000. The second machine was bought several years later and had a wider jet cone agitator.

Ray

*****Post# 23569-10/29/2002-11:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Some of you may remember one of the last television commercials Frigidaire did before White Westinghouse gobbled them up. It was a Jetcone machine showing how much faster it got the clothes down into the soapy water than the Kenmore with the first corkscrew agitator. This was when the Kenmores still had belt-drive assemblies. They dropped a sock into each tub. The Jetcome of course immediately had in down in the water while the sock just sat on top in the Kenmore not doing much of anything.

*****Post# 23570-10/29/2002-11:23 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: What's next? A DDA with an "extra action" tub? I guess by the time the patents expire on that one, the front loaders would have taken over the world!
Thanks for the history lesson guys, quite good reading.
-Alex

*****Post# 23571-10/29/2002-11:32 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet-Cone agitator.
MESSAGE: Ray,
I agree, it would be awesome to have these beasts around today! These were obviously advanced machines.
I love this model one of the other members own!
-Alex
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VQC9FLgciaBHjsQHFRWVXcbtoFDnRuUJ3D2eeYUwt7oJxenO6*cagbqgJ6GTtyZIMlORIQruMNGkAeAL6kHel7LeOYInwatMq4veTrKVjOJd09UAois0F*pGoID7XUBi/Frigidaire-Cust-Imp-1962-2.jpg

*****Post# 23572-10/29/2002-11:42 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet-Cone agitator.
MESSAGE: Alex, Now I remember the first machine was a Gold Crown Rapid Dry 1000. The tub was not very big, but it did a dynamite job on washing. The second machine was an 18lb. I just think these and other machines washed better from years ago. That is why I have 2 front loaders. I also have a Maytag top loader which I do not like.

Ray

*****Post# 23573-10/29/2002-11:58 ||| Kgr40 (Lexington, KY)
SUBJECT: more pink appliances
MESSAGE: I have some pink appliances that I would like to sell too as we am remodeling in the next few weeks. Don't know how much they are worth, but they are - a ge pink 4 burner electric cook top (in the counter), ge double oven (electric), and a hotpoint dishwasher. All work, I use them everyday. Email kread40@aol.com if interested.

*****Post# 23574-10/29/2002-12:58 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Just saw a demo on the new Maytag JetClean II dishwasher. It has three racks and 4 wash arms. In the demo, the top wash arm was barely moving and not much water spraying either. The rep assured me that this only occured in the demo model.....And that Maytag uses a larger, more rpm'd motor for the actual dishwasher that is sold to the public. If this is true then this will most likely prove to be a great machine. Still miss my belt drive WU901. Mark

*****Post# 23575-10/29/2002-13:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II
MESSAGE: Oh, I miss the belt drive Maytag dishwasher I had years ago too. We bought it in 1981 and it moved through the family until I sold it to a friend of mine who installed it under a counter and used it for several years. She replaced it in 1997 with another Maytag which doesn't hold nearly as much. I saw one of the first Maytag front-load dishwashers at a sale a while back, portable, but it was already sold. The very first ones had a sump similar to the GE's of the era (mid 60's) but had a fine mesh, self cleaning filter and lots of power coming through the metal (yes, metal!) wash arms... Another day perhaps!

*****Post# 23576-10/29/2002-13:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found (saw 'em)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg - I too would love to find a vintage pink dishwasher, but unfortunately haven't on this score. I went to look at the appliances I saw advertised and they were indeed in beautiful condition for their age, the ovens were spotless and the cooktop was dusty, but not a chip on it. The dishwasher was a Kitchen Aid KDS-17 with the front panels painted pink and was in remarkable condition as well. Although not orginal to the kitchen the KDS17 is still a wonderful machine. I have no idea what I'll do with all these appliances, but I pick them up Friday ;-)

*****Post# 23577-10/29/2002-14:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Poor Maytag seemed to have had their heads in the sand for 30+ years with that helical drive washer. Had Maytag gone to a larger cabinet design like the other manufacturers, it would have been possible to have a true large capacity machine 20 years earlier than they did. They did have a relatively simple and dependable design, just never got the performance up level where it could have been. While the helical drive machines peformed well for "a major consumer testing organization" the real-life use of the machine was a bit of a compromise between performance and dependability.

The Kenmore dual action agitator was a terrific idea and the flexible vanes probably helped lessen the wear and tear on clothes versus the other "gobblers" they offered.

*****Post# 23578-10/29/2002-14:49 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: I must agree with you Peter, when you said, "the real reason for flexible skirt fins was to lessen the stress on the transmission while washing a big load!"

If the base of the agitator was one piece, there will be an significant drag on the agitator, which will put a strain on the transmission, but more so on the motor because of excessive drag from the weight of the clothes and turbulence of the water.

Maytag knew about the drag and designed the flex vane on their agitator and that what made their machines last for a long time, but just as soon as Kenmore incorporated this into their washers with the DAA, Consumer Reports made comments that several owners claimed to have clothes damage to stockings and other fine garments because of the gap at the base (skirt) of the agitator.
If Kenmore (Whirlpool) designed their agitator without the gap on the skirt, the clothes would bottleneck at the base of the agitator, which in turn reduce the rollover rate by 15 to 20%.

*****Post# 23581-10/29/2002-15:36 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Nothing moves the clothes better than the tumbling action of a front loader. Howver, I think the old agitators moved the clothes better. They may have moved slower, but some of them moved in a complete 360 degree.

*****Post# 23584-10/29/2002-16:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Interesting, Peter. I was never in one of those "Norge Village" laundromats when they used to have them. Were Norge coin-ops pretty much a coinop version of what they sold for the home? Were their tubs that large?

*****Post# 23586-10/29/2002-21:21 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (I miss my Maytag Belt Drive Dishwasher also!)
MESSAGE: I had one, and I regret that I sold it! It was a portable model that I bought new, and I sold it for hardly anything. Was young and I needed the money. That was the best dishwasher that I ever used / owned!
The Maytag that I really loved was about the same design, but it was the one with the push button selectors on the front. We had that in a house when I was a kid, and I loved it! I would sit in front of it for a whole cycle after I loaded it, just to hear it wash!
I would love to have that one! I bet they would still run like a charm! Really not all that much to them! Anyone out there have one now? I think Robert said that he had one in his childhood home.
Brent

*****Post# 23587-10/29/2002-21:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (Sales People!)
MESSAGE: Sales people really give me the shi*'s! They never have a clue about anything! I, and I am sure that most of us here usually know more than they do when we go to buy a product.
I personally think that they should have sensors on them that dock their pay for every lie they tell. (Or shock them. Then it would make their lies worth it to us, the consumer!)
Maytag demo motor is weaker than the "real" one? Give me a break! I always thought that the very top spray arm was just there to get off any sediment that was sitting on the top of the articles in the top rack. Why would you need much pressure, or care if the bottom of these items were spotless clean?
Brent

*****Post# 23588-10/29/2002-21:47 ||| caterqueen (ithaca ny)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found (saw 'em)
MESSAGE: Are you going to use both of the ovens?

*****Post# 23590-10/29/2002-22:39 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator)
MESSAGE: no offense to those to those who like, but i never liked the dual action agitators..........

*****Post# 23591-10/29/2002-22:41 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: greg where do you get all this info, how long have you been collecting? fixing? :)

*****Post# 23592-10/29/2002-22:49 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: For what its worth in my opinion, the three-ring agitator on the Frigidaire seemed to turn over clothes the best and quickest. Even if the tub is somewhat crammed with a full load. Possibly the best at tangling too. The rapidry 1000 turns over slower and the 1/18 even slower and if the tub is packed on a 1/18 you may have hardly any turnover. Anyone agree? disagree? I still love the Frigidaire wash action the best and hope but doubt it will come back.

*****Post# 23594-10/29/2002-22:54 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (hmmm??)
MESSAGE: why would a demo have a weaker motor?? isnt a demo for just that reason?? do you think the salesman was BSing you?

*****Post# 23595-10/29/2002-22:57 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (love em too)
MESSAGE: Greg, when my brother lived in Maine they had a built in Maytag DW in harvest gold. I think from 1978 or 79?? It worked great. Plates in the top rack. Glasses in the bottom. The thing was a little loud and sounded very powerful !! I would love to find one of those.........

*****Post# 23596-10/29/2002-23:05 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found (saw 'em)
MESSAGE: the KD-2P is my dream machine yet to be found........ If you decide to part with the dishwasher Greg, I just want you to know that you have an interested suitor.....congrads and hope you enjoy, the colored apps are hard to come by.......I will be going to look at a GE turquoise stove next week.......

*****Post# 23598-10/29/2002-23:10 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: wow, a full 360? do you know which machines and what years they did that? any problems with that? I remember the Maytag I grew up with I thought rotated a full 180 as I thought alot of older machines had longer, slower strokes

*****Post# 23601-10/29/2002-23:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Norgetown)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Norge coin-ops were nothing more than home machines with coin slides -- except for their frontloaders. That one that Jeff has in DC is a beauty!

*****Post# 23603-10/29/2002-23:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (360° agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: I could be wrong, but I think the only machine that has ever done a 360° oscillating stroke is the F&P. 210° is probably the next closest to that.

*****Post# 23605-10/29/2002-23:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Norgetown)
MESSAGE: That Norge f/l is a very cool machine indeed! I am so happy Jeff has it in his collection!

*****Post# 23606-10/29/2002-23:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (more Norgetown)
MESSAGE: I was used to seeing the Norge coin-op tops in the same 'mats with SQ. The smaller SQ's, then the almost double-load Norge, and then Milnors for the Big Bertha loads...

*****Post# 23611-10/29/2002-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Scott, the TimeLines were the same. But when they went to the perforateed tubs, the capacity was diminished by lowering the water level and placing a "cone" on the agitator that showed whre to stop filliing the amchine with clothes, however, most people simply filed the tub to capacity and then got poor washing results with the lowered water level.

*****Post# 23612-10/29/2002-23:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (I miss my Maytag Belt Drive Dishwasher also!)
MESSAGE: Brent, I will be getting Max & Kirk's belt-drive Maytag when they replace it with something more modern that Kirk would prefer (A GE of alll things, he wouldn't listen to me). He says the Maytag doesn't clean worth a hill of beans. But, they use tabs and only put one in a load. Won't run the watrer until it's hot or put in two tabs like I told them to do. Oh well, I gues they just humor me on my appliance obsession.

*****Post# 23613-10/30/2002-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found (saw 'em)
MESSAGE: I have no idea what I'm going to do with any of them!

*****Post# 23614-10/30/2002-00:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: A long time ago I did a search on Google and stumbled upon a summary of the lawsuit on a Canadian site, try a search for "washing machine agitator flexible vanes" and you should get it that way.

*****Post# 23615-10/30/2002-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: I have very little trouble with tangling, but it was an issue for Frigidaire for many years. When the Jetcone/Deep Action - space capsule agitator was in production, the tangling was reduced greatly, these agitators worked best with a full load. The 1-18 washed well, turnover was slower and tangling was all but eliminated but when overloaded, the washing ability suffered severely. CR found inconsistent washability results with the 1-18 because of this.

*****Post# 23618-10/30/2002-00:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (210 my butt)
MESSAGE: When I brought the Speed Queen to Robert's last year for the convention, we did some (unscientific) testing and found the agitation stroke to be just slightly more than 180. 190 is probably about right.

*****Post# 23619-10/30/2002-05:26 ||| caterqueen (ithaca ny)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink GE Kitchen Appliances Found (saw 'em)
MESSAGE: Well, since reading about them, I just HAVE to have a pink oven! And I thought I wanted srainless...I shudder! So, I'm sure you don't want to split them up, but if you do, you have one very interested party here!

*****Post# 23620-10/30/2002-06:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: I have occasional tangling with my pulsamatic, particularly if I start the agitation before the tub is really full of water. My mother's Frigidaire with "jet action agitator" never tangled, and she overloaded it every day for many years. As much washing as we had that day, she crammed into the machine - never more than one load in a day!
Chris

*****Post# 23622-10/30/2002-07:00 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: recent finds
MESSAGE: I have had a few recent additions after friends have given me a few castoffs and a couple of visits to the recycler in Geelong.
1. Late sixties (?) GEC (Hotpoint UK) front loader. This is the model with the purple window and buttons in shades of purple. It is in VERY poor condition, it doesn't go at all (may just be a door switch, they are very complicated on this model) and the cabinet has peeling paint and lots of rust, though not rusted through yet. Also the back panel is missing.
2. AEG spin dryer. No idea of its age, but it has a purple lid so it may be similar age to the GEC. It is Typ no. 615 312 923, and inside it has a metal plate labelled "DRAAIENDE TROMMEL NIET AANRAKEN". Any chance of a translation please Louis?? It needed a new plug which I have fitted, it runs like a dream. 2800 rpm induction motor.
3. Hoover Electra 540 front loader. Just about the last Australian made front loader. (I think it was later sold as a 1000F, too, is that right arrrooohhh?) Grey control panel, 800rpm, no heater, push button to select hot/warm/cold and "crease guard" (no spin). Excellent condition but needs new drum bearings, which I am half way through fitting. The old bearing had seized completely. Induction motor, despite being a derivative of the UK Hoovers which used a brush motor.

I also found but didn't bring home another pulsamatic Frigidaire, this time a sixties automatic with conventional square body. It was a basic model, called a "master", with a blue/aqua control panel, same pulsator/agitator as my older round body one, with the black bakelite agitator. No temp control, just Warm and Cold (no Hot) markings on the timer itself. It had fill, wash, lint away, spin, rinse,lint away and spin sections. It looked very like the one my mother had, must have been only a few years older. (hers had jet action)
The transmission was pulsamatic (one belt), the motor a Crompton-Parkinson. The ID plate said date code 02 and a letter (can't remember) but it had an installation date in 1965 written on the back. The control panel said "Frigidaire - product of General Motors - Holdens." It also had a frigidaire "F" and crest badge on the front. The bowl was light grey enamel, printed inside the lid (left hinged) was a diagram on how to load, and other instructions. I am unlikely to get this machine, I would like to find a later one (the last Australian assembled Frigidaire) and don't have room for three Frigidaires. It was in pretty good shape, the side panels had some rust but not much, and some slightly rusty chips in the bowl enamel. I took some photos, will post them after they are developed.
Chris.

*****Post# 23623-10/30/2002-07:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Philips TLFL (attention Louis)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis...
I have finally got down and found a model number on my Philips H-axis TL - it is an AWG 089 PH. Does that mean anything to you? I will take photos of it and post them soon. (soon-ish)
Best Wishes
Chris

*****Post# 23624-10/30/2002-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: recent finds
MESSAGE: Wow - you have made some good finds. Were the spin-dryers popular in Oz? This is the first I've heard mention of one. Keep your eyes on the pulsamatics you find, you might grab one for parts and a better tub if you find one in good condition.

*****Post# 23626-10/30/2002-08:00 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: Hi Greg. As I said previously I grew up with 2 Frigidaire machines. They both washed very well. However, they later model did not spin as fast as the Rapid Dry 1000. You really cannot no overload any machine and expect to get good results. The front loaders seem to do better at this. I would like to see them come back also. But I guess for now, the only machine that comes close is the Calypso. This seems like the same principle as the early Bendix top loader. Maybe we are moving forward, and the jet action agitator will be back.

*****Post# 23628-10/30/2002-09:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (DAA with extra action tub)
MESSAGE: But this is the current Frigidaire line -- a DAA with the indexing tub. Apparently their straight vane agitator could not move the big loads when they went to the bigger tub, and so they adopted the DAA.

Since by US law washers in 2007 must use 20-30% less water than today, look for more FL's to hit the market soon.

-ph

*****Post# 23629-10/30/2002-09:49 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (pulsater comeback doubtful)
MESSAGE: if the pulsator did come back i bet it would SELL !! maybe not like hot-cakes , but i bet it would still sell.......

*****Post# 23631-10/30/2002-09:54 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: If they were to bring it back, one of the things i noticed on the older Frigidaires was the wide ring/flap if you will at the very bottom, the newer ones seemed to eliminate this, maybe they could compromise and have one wider ring at the bottom but not as wide as the original??

*****Post# 23633-10/30/2002-09:59 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Just saw a dome! Maytag Jetclean II (I miss my Maytag Belt Drive Dishwasher also!)
MESSAGE: My neighbor has my old built-in pushbutton, belt drive WU901 that I rebuilt for her to use. I'll get it back someday, but until then, I'm glad she's using it. Since she's in her 80's, it only gets used about once a week. Mark

*****Post# 23638-10/30/2002-10:05 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (DAA with extra action tub(t/l vs. f/l))
MESSAGE: I asked a couple app dealers that I am getting to know well if they think top-loaders will be eliminated and front-loaders dominate the market like overseas. They both said no way. Front loaders will continue to grow in popularity but top-loaders will not become obsolete........

I have heard of that model number before, but I'm not sure which model it is. It's most probably newer than the Philips toploader I had (AWB119PH). What spinspeed? (850?)

Louis

*****Post# 23641-10/30/2002-10:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: My Grandmother's 3 ring agitator....she cursed it everytime she used it.... (and my 3-ring agitator) does tangle terribly...especially towels and sheets and long pants....when the Jet Action agitator came along, I don't remember anything ever tangling again. And, with the Jet cone that I use today, I never get any tangling and the rollover is still better than anything else that I've seen on today's market. Then too, the solid tub kept ALL the action IN the tub. Mark

The spindryer is probably from the Netherlands. A lot of Dutch people migrated to Australia, I guess there must be some more stuff from Holland.

Louis

*****Post# 23643-10/30/2002-12:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History))
MESSAGE: Interesting Bob, thanks...I have seen Speed Queen machines that have had such a device as well. I wonder why they don't just add a quarter more or something and let you utilize the capacity of the machine. That way, if Mrs. X only needs two machines instead of 3, there's that many more machines available when Mrs. Y comes in to start her laundry. Oh well!

*****Post# 23644-10/30/2002-12:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (pulsater comeback doubtful)
MESSAGE: I think it would do quite well because there are enough people around that still remember them and are upset because they no longer can get them. These washers were in production for 33 years and were loved by generations of housewives.

*****Post# 23646-10/30/2002-13:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: Yes I believe it was called a Bendix "Power Surge". It used some sort of plate to create the wash action. I don't think it was made long, and I'm not sure how similar/different it was to today's "Calypso".

*****Post# 23647-10/30/2002-14:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: Right you are! This Bendix model was only made for one year - and I want one!!

There is a picture of it in the Wanted/Reward section:
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED%20BENDIX/WantedBendix.jpg

*****Post# 23648-10/30/2002-15:06 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: Thor made a tilt a whirl like this and the cylapso in 1936 had a ladies hands on the agitator. Went in both directions. It can bee seen at oldewash.com. Don't know how well it washed but very unique.

*****Post# 23650-10/30/2002-15:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders
MESSAGE: I don't know, but reverse tumble action has always been a standard on European frontloaders as long as I can remember. I guess the early 1960's model had it and perhaps the earlier ones too.

Louis

*****Post# 23651-10/30/2002-16:26 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders
MESSAGE: I have an AEG Lavamat Bella bought in 1991, and it has reverse tumble action. The only thing is that there is a few second pause before it reverses.

Sounds like your collection is building pretty rapidly.....I remember the Hotpoint F/L with purple door & controls that are shaded dark puple through to white.....the cabinet should be a one piece sheet U shape of metal that fits over the drum & chassis....the backplate on our models was an all in one plastic affair....discharge hose was the big black rubber thing..

I`m looking round for the matching top loader, I figured as I have a good Hotpoint TL Filter Flow I`ll collect the different control panels etc, was about 5 different ones in all....the only chance of a Frigidaire is one of the coin-op models...OR anyone who emigrated with one like my Simpson.

Mike

*****Post# 23653-10/30/2002-17:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Philips TLFL (attention Louis)
MESSAGE: Sounds like it was the model that was sold in UK the same time as the 080,082 & 096 F/L models..look forward to seeing the pics

*****Post# 23655-10/30/2002-17:26 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: October Wash-Day!!!No Vintage Auto`s Yet, .....
MESSAGE: I was explaining to TomTurbomatic about the range of models that Servis made and when the first Auto`s where introduced over here...As you all know we where rather late with the autos, first All- British auto was a Servis T/L washer and this was made in 1963.

The Holy Grail is yet to be found this side of the water, so after all the discussion I felt the urge to wheel out the vintage twinny that I hadnt yet used and had a "Reet Good Sesh" as we say over here...or "Wash-In" as you say...

*****Post# 23656-10/30/2002-17:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-Day!!!No Vintage Auto`s Yet, .....
MESSAGE: Super great pics - those agitator twinnies look so fun. Is there a lint filter in the top of that later Servis agitator piece? How well do those spin rinse units work? Do they stop spinning and fill with water, or just a spin-spray rinse?

Thanks for the fun - Greg

*****Post# 23657-10/30/2002-17:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders
MESSAGE: All one way tumblers - Bendix and Westinghouse. I have seen a much later version of the front loader by WCI that had reversing tumble, probably from the late 80's - early 90's though. Before that, I don't think there were any American made that reversed.

*****Post# 23660-10/30/2002-18:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (in the 70s)
MESSAGE: When my mom worked at the laundromat in the 70s, the Milnor front loaders would tumble for a minute or 2 one way, then stop and tumble another way.

*****Post# 23661-10/30/2002-20:14 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Pulsator cap search for WO-65 continues
MESSAGE: Still making calls trying to find an agitator cap for the 1952 washer. I hope there might be some new ones left out there in some old appliance parts store somewhere.
Peter, I assume you're still looking for the one you thought you might have. Don't give up. Please let me know the status of your search for the cap.
Thanks.

*****Post# 23663-10/30/2002-21:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders
MESSAGE: Yup - that would have been the late 80's model I mentioned. I have the service manual for that machine somewhere.

The commercial machines would have been reversing tumble, but I'm not familiar with that much of the commercial market - Peter could probably shed more light there. I can't remember if the large front loaders were reversing tumble that were in our local "Highlander Center."

*****Post# 23664-10/30/2002-21:34 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (It sure was!)
MESSAGE: I would have loved to play with that one.
I think that is the model that Seve1-18 helped a friend to get back on track here in Ga. He said that it was totally different from the Westy set he has when he pulled the back off.
Brent

*****Post# 23665-10/30/2002-22:55 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator (History) (three ring))
MESSAGE: well based on the feedback sounds like the jetaction agitator is the best, even better then the agitators in the 1/18's

*****Post# 23666-10/30/2002-22:58 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: For heavens sake, those are so COOL !! , I have never seen or heard of them, well indeed now i understand that the bendix and calypso definately look alike.........

*****Post# 23669-10/31/2002-02:18 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: Well If BMW can bring back the Mini and VW the Beetle, and soon Ford the "GT", why can't someone figure out how to bring back the Frigidaire jetcone?

*****Post# 23670-10/31/2002-06:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (group memory failure)
MESSAGE: How quickly we all forget -- the Launderall was a reverse tumbling, top loading horizontal axis washer!!! Once that left the market, we were left with unidirectional tumbling.

-ph

*****Post# 23671-10/31/2002-07:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (unidirectional commercial washers)
MESSAGE: The only unidirectional commercial front loader to survive was the small Dexter washer, which was inherited from Philco-Bendix. Even then, it is really just a glorified home-use washer with a coin slide. Dexter stopped making these machines in the mid-90's. There are many of these machines, a few with the Philco-Bendix name even, still working in the Atlanta area.

-ph

*****Post# 23672-10/31/2002-07:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pulsator cap search for WO-65 continues
MESSAGE: Funny you posted this, Ken. I was doing some organizing late last night and did not find it in the boxes I sorted thru. I thought I had one, but maybe I was mistaken. I still have about 5 boxes to go thru, so hope springs eternal!

*****Post# 23675-10/31/2002-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (Launderall)
MESSAGE: Launderall introduced the first reverse tumble washer back in '48 on its top loading Horizontal axis washer. It's reversing system was all mechanical without any pause between the reverse.

*****Post# 23676-10/31/2002-11:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Magtag agitator origins (Dual action Agitator Bendix or ABC??)
MESSAGE: I think the problem is that cars are considered real man things. Besides that people are always talking about the styling of a car. Have you ever tried to talk about styling of a washer instead of that of a car on a party?

Louis

*****Post# 23677-10/31/2002-11:44 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Applianceville Convention
MESSAGE: Any thoughts of having a convention in the Philadelphia/Eastern Pennsylvania area?

*****Post# 23678-10/31/2002-13:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (Question about the Launderall Machine...)
MESSAGE: I actually thought about the Launderall machine during the middle of the night when I woke up having the reverse tumble. (you would think that I could think of other things)
Here is my question. How did you Load it? Was it like the Staber washer with the doors that open, then you load, then close?
I have never seen an ad showing how you put the clothes in.
Thanks
Brent

*****Post# 23680-10/31/2002-13:30 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Manual Of The Month
MESSAGE: Robert--- what's on tap for the owner's manual of the month? It's a great feature of this site!

*****Post# 23681-10/31/2002-13:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Manual Of The Month
MESSAGE: Oh thanks for reminding me, I would have forgotten to do that otherwise. Let see, maybe it will be a ?????????....

*****Post# 23682-10/31/2002-13:50 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (Robert thanks for the link!!!)
MESSAGE: WOW!
That was so cool! I had no idea that someone had one of the Launderall machines! I would love to know the history on it. It looked to be in great shape! Does it work?
Thanks Robert!
Brent

*****Post# 23684-10/31/2002-15:31 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire WC6 washer
MESSAGE: Need advice and suggestions as to where I can start looking for a transmission and bearings for above machine. I live in southern California. I really would like to get this machine up and running-it will be my first and probably only Frigidaire. Thanks, Dick_S.

*****Post# 23685-10/31/2002-16:10 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville Convention
MESSAGE: I think anywhere would be fine! As long as we can all go!

*****Post# 23686-10/31/2002-16:14 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Dear Uni...
MESSAGE: About sending your WO65 set to sony pictures, Are they going to be run in the movie? If so, who is going to run it? You need to give them special instructions on how to run them! Give them a do's and dont's list! Make sure they are perfectly safe!

*****Post# 23687-10/31/2002-16:28 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Reverse tumble action front-loaders (Question about the Launderall Machine...)
MESSAGE: Great machine. Where was this machine made? So, this was a machine that loaded from the top, but ran as a front loader?

*****Post# 23691-10/31/2002-18:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville Convention (It was a Blast Shawn!)
MESSAGE: Shawn,
Hope that you and all of the new members will be able to attend the next one. It was so much fun!
I met so many wonderful people from this club!
It is really hard to meet good people these days!
Brent

*****Post# 23692-10/31/2002-18:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: FILTER-FLO, WHERE DID YOU GO?
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Was wondering where you have been?
I get so excited over your post, and your fun, exciting life, then you pull away like this?
I hope that all is well with you, and you have lot's to talk about and show.
I am sure that you are very busy!
Hope everything is well.
Tell us about all of your finds.
Brent

*****Post# 23694-10/31/2002-18:59 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville Convention (Convention video part 2?)
MESSAGE: Jason,
I did not know that there was going to be a part 2!!!
Can't wait to see it!
Brent

*****Post# 23695-10/31/2002-19:22 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this) (You could work for Bob Barker!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the video!
I was scared by that dancing witch, but the spinning Kenmore made me feel safe.
Brent

*****Post# 23696-10/31/2002-19:54 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this)
MESSAGE: You are the best! How you do it, I'll never know. Thanks for the special Halloween treat! Mark

*****Post# 23700-10/31/2002-21:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this) (You could work for Bob Barker!)
MESSAGE: Now, if Jason had had a GM Frigidaire in this scenario, it truely would be be-witching!!!!

*****Post# 23701-10/31/2002-22:07 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this) (Thanks Jason)
MESSAGE: I can't wait Jason for part 2 either. You will never know how much I have enjoyed part 1. I go back and watch it so often. Brent, you are right, this club has been great and I too am thankful for all the great friends I have made. Happy Halloween to all of you!

*****Post# 23702-10/31/2002-23:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason for injecting some fun into our Halloween, and for sharing with us your gifts of working with video. You are truly an asset to our club! :) Hope you had a Happy Halloween!

*****Post# 23705-11/1/2002-05:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: FILTER-FLO, WHERE DID YOU GO?
MESSAGE: Hi< Im alive and well, just been extremely busy with my estate sales. My computer was down for about 4 days, so I was away from the club postings for a while. Just catching up on all of them now. Have been emptying out my storage unit and bringing some of my appliances to my new house. Just had a storage shed built in the back yard to house some of my parts. Will be posting pics soon of some of the things I brought to their new home: Dexter AutoMagic Washer;James Dishwasher;GE FilterFlo 1955 set, GE Wall Refrigerator......boy what a lot of work moving all this stuff.
THANKS BRENT for thinking of me!!!

*****Post# 23706-11/1/2002-06:20 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: POD Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Did Hotpoint washers have a production link to GE? Is that a mini-basket on the agitator? If so, wouldn't that qualify as a special attachment?

*****Post# 23707-11/1/2002-06:25 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: The Jasonl indie film
MESSAGE: Curses! I tried to watch your well-received video, Jason, but all I get is a screenful of text which looks like the demon spawn of Chinese algebra and Arabic. I'm using an iMac. Is there hope? Will I never see the Halloween video? (sniff, sob!)

*****Post# 23708-11/1/2002-06:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: recent finds (spin dryers)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
I'm not certain but I doubt that stand alone spin dryers were ever very popular here. I have never seen one of the Hoover ones that you can see on the twintub emporium website, and the AEG one I have is a private import, I suspect through Holland. (We'll see if Louis can give us a translation, if it is Dutch as I suspect.) I have seen a Frigidaire one some years ago, but I never got a close look at it, and my neighbour had a Lightburn one (Australian made) till only a couple of years ago when it finally rusted out. She had an expensive Kleenmaid top loader (in fact the Kleenmaid/Speed Queen I fixed recently with your advice) but was always disappointed with its spinning. She was rapt to get the old Lightburn spinner, it could get two or three litres of water out of a load spun in the Kleenmaid. I may give her the AEG after I have cleaned it up, as I am happy with the spinning of the Asko and F&P, don't really need a spinner. We'll see.
Chris.

*****Post# 23709-11/1/2002-06:52 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: recent finds
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
The switch on the AEG spinner is a clever arrangement. The switch is a vertical toggle behind the lid hinge. When you close the lid you flick the toggle (lever) forward to start the spin. When you open the lid it touches the toggle and pushes it back to the off position. You can get the lid open about one third before it switches off. The brake is not very strong, so it is possible to touch the drum before it has stopped completely.
You seem surprised (exclamation mark) that it is in Dutch. There is a large Dutch community in Melbourne, not in one suburb but throughout the city. I had several recently arrived Dutch friends and neighbours when I was a kid growing up in Frankston, in the 1970's. There is even a specialty Dutch shop in Vermont, an Eastern suburb, it is called (spelling may be wrong) De Hollandse Winkel, De Winkel Sans Inkel." I remember I gave a lift to a couple of Dutch tourists and they were tickled pink to have found it.
I will definitely post a photo of the AEG spinner, it may be a week or two or three... my classic Minolta camera is misbehaving, the meter has stopped working.
Chris

*****Post# 23710-11/1/2002-07:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Jasonl indie film (Spinning Witch project)
MESSAGE: You need Windows Media Player to watch the video. I think you can get it for Mac I'm not sure.

A Wizard washer
A Whirlpool Magic-clean
A Philco automagic
A Water Witch (pre-Kenmore Sears washer)

*****Post# 23712-11/1/2002-08:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: POD Dryer foot pedals
MESSAGE: The foot pedal door opener on dryers of the day were such a great idea. Wonder why they don't have them now? Mark

*****Post# 23713-11/1/2002-08:59 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: FILTER-FLO, WHERE DID YOU GO? (That's what I thought.)
MESSAGE: Glad that you are doing well.
Sounds like you are having lot's of fun!
Thanks for saying hello!
Brent

*****Post# 23714-11/1/2002-09:34 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The Jasonl indie film (iMac Method)
MESSAGE: I'm running an iMac here too. What I do is download the link to my harddrive. I'm on a cable modem so the download is pretty quick. Just place your arrow on the link, hold the mouse button down and select download. On my set up the file icon first looks like a plain text icon.

I've also downloaded the Windows Media Player. Now supposedly from Explorer it should start up...however mine doesn't. I just open the Media Player program, then open and enjoy the movie. After I've watched the movie, the icon then changes to the Media Player icon. I hope this helps and enjoy the movie!

*****Post# 23715-11/1/2002-11:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Now that's a dream machine! Love those HUGE consoles. I wonder if that machine can gently wash that polyester wig up there on her head!

*****Post# 23717-11/1/2002-11:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Dryer foot pedals
MESSAGE: Because stupid children would climb in for a dryer ride and not be able to escape. And maybe because of ADA requirements. While manufacturers could have probably come up with a design that could be forced open from the inside or easily opened by the handicapped, they didn't and went to a simple catch-latch.

*****Post# 23720-11/1/2002-13:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Dryer foot pedals
MESSAGE: The 57 GE dryer had a magnetic door catch and a foot pedal that simply pushed the door open. With the magnetic catch instead of a positive latching system, the door could be pushed open from the inside - hopefully before the child started tumbling!

*****Post# 23721-11/1/2002-13:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: FILTER-FLO, WHERE DID YOU GO?
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy - out of curiosity, would you take some close up pics of the Dexter, inside and out?

I can't wait to see some of your other treasures!

*****Post# 23722-11/1/2002-13:49 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Dryer foot pedals
MESSAGE: I remember when I was in second grade giving my cousin Virgil a ride in my Grandmother's Maytag dryer that had the lever latch on the door! As you all know, when it was locked, it WAS LOCKED! He tumbled and thumped until my Grandmother heard all the racket in the basement, came downstairs, and got him out. He would not rat and tell who had given him the "ride" of his life.....saved my behind....and as soon as she went back upstairs, begged me to do it again but I wouldn't! How we survived some of the things we did I'll never know! Mark

I knew there are living quite some Dutch people overthere, but I didn't realize they could have brought their spinners with them.

Louis

*****Post# 23724-11/1/2002-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Pink Appliances Come Home
MESSAGE: I picked up the GE cooking appliances and Kitchen Aid dishwasher today (and the sink) and took a few shots of them before they were tucked safely away in the shed.

They are in beautiful condition for their age, the dishwasher even has a brand new bottom rack - worth more than I paid for all the goodies combined!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=KDS+17+painted+pink.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23726-11/1/2002-15:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink Appliances Come Home
MESSAGE: WOW! They ARE really beautiful!!! Congratulations on your find. BTW your shed looks like my house at the moment. Too much stuff but can't seem to part with it...just keep adding to it. Any plans for a retro kitchen? Mark

*****Post# 23728-11/1/2002-17:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Dick your WC6 is it a 1-18 model?? Or is it the later agitater model by Westinghouse?
Jetcone

Got this ge shown in the picture below, problem is the tub is waaaay off center causing lots of off balance, lots of noise and lots of water that runneth over the sides. Easy fix or trash? Works perfect otherwise. Should't have washed those kitchen rugs and left it unattended... = )

Noticed theres a big brick under the cabiniet, its supposed to be there right =)

Any help would be very much appreciated!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb/vwp?.dir=/&.src=ph&.dnm=ForSale.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23730-11/1/2002-19:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Belt driven GE washer, Peter H. you out there =)
MESSAGE: Looks like you have a broken cable in the suspension system. You will want to look at the website attached, it's an explanation of how and washer is built and runs but lucky for you, they use pictures of a GE washer that is of the same design as you have. I linked you to the page with the suspension system and counterweight block (brick) pictures - just scroll down to see the cables.

Is the water leaking out of the machine and onto the floor? If so, you will want to raise the top of the machine and check the top seal on the outer tub and/or the outer tub itself may be damaged. Those must have been some nasty rugs!

*****Post# 23732-11/1/2002-20:45 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Jetcone! Thanks for your response. I'm a bit embarrassed to say I don't rightly know at this point. I found the machine two weeks ago and was sooo excited at the time, all I got was the model #. It is red in color, two speeds and has a 3 tier blue "pumper" with a solid black plunger underneath. The tub is perferated and it has a lint filter. The water enters the tub evenly thru inlets positioned all around the tub, and the basket is a good size. AND, there is a wonderful window in the lid so I can watch all the action, but I will probably have the lid open most of the time. ((--::
This is my first endeavor to grab on the one of my "dream machines" and I am excited as hell. I realize that I am a "novice" when it comes to you members out there and the amount of technical knowledge you have (from reading thru some of the posts) but I'll get there. Right now all I can do is talk a blue streak about doing laundry "my way" and my longtime memories about machines I want to do it in. And this Frigidaire is one of them! The only brand I am fairly familiar with is Kenmore-was raised with them. In fact I still have the '60 Kenmore 9 cycle with that fabulous big old black Roto Swirl/with scrubber and detergent cap I did washing in when I was a kid. It's stored away in a corner of the utility room and will be a project AFTER I get the Frigidaire going strong. I can't wait.
I hope my info will help. I will visit it on Monday and can get further numbers off the plate if needed.
You don't know how good it was to just get your note. I've been running into nothing but dead ends the last couple of days. Dick

*****Post# 23733-11/1/2002-21:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: 1960 Tech Talk on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey all some of you have this machine...here is the factory goods on them

LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1783574937

*****Post# 23734-11/1/2002-21:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick glad to hear about your find! It is a 1-18 and there are still alot of parts out there. I can tell you what bearings it takes and I have water seals for the tub as well.
But you need to try it out first and see if it works. See if it leaks and what problems there are. It may be just fine as these were the most durable (outside of the Unimatics--yes Robert I know I know) machines F produced! Where did you come across it??
I am just in the process of rebuilding my 3 speed 1-18 ! I had a clinic here in Boston last weekend. Too bad your in Palm Springs. My 1-18 sat in storage for almost 10 years!! I am hopping up and down to do my first load!
Post some pix if you can.
Jet

*****Post# 23735-11/1/2002-21:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Louis was missed at the Wash In
MESSAGE: Louis you were missed at the wash in last weekend! Everyone was asking after you! We ate black licorice and used Dixan in your honor!! John hasn't tried his Dixan yet so I gave him [-10] points!!!Paolo came over Wed nite and surprised me with a H U G E box of Persil. I have already "whoomped a load up" in the GE COmbo with it! What a nice smell! Thank you Paolo!!! Ofcourse Persil does not suds as well as Dixan does. Sorry Paolo!
Cheers
jetcone

*****Post# 23736-11/1/2002-21:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis was missed at the Wash In
MESSAGE: Jon, when you say GE combo, are you referring to one of the ones you brought back from Jeff's? Those were so interesting to see, as I did not realize they made combos at that vintage.

*****Post# 23737-11/1/2002-22:03 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink Appliances Come Home (Just Beautiful!!)
MESSAGE: Greg what a great find!! Those are just beautiful. The ovens do not look like they have even been used. How old do you think they are? Just love the Kitchen Aid dishwasher you can see the quality just looking at it. Any plans??

*****Post# 23738-11/1/2002-23:12 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this) (What is that?)
MESSAGE: What is that thing on the top right corner of your Little Lady? What does that box do?

*****Post# 23739-11/1/2002-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: FILTER-FLO, WHERE DID YOU GO?
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I had been missing you too, butr knew you were busy with estate sales and moving stuff to the new house. I'm grateful your doing well. Glad you are back. Big huggs. Bob

*****Post# 23742-11/2/2002-07:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Jet-Thanks for your note of encouragement. My spirits are lifted this morning as I realize now there is a chance I can one day bring it home and stare in awe as it pumps the heavy dirt out of my 501's!
I found it about 65 miles away from my home as I was driving in to Long Beach a couple of weeks ago. I bought the washer on the spot They pulled it out of the heap, hooked it up and set it to spin. I was surprised they'd even plug it in with the shape it was in, although the red cabinet looks to be in decent shape with no big dents or creases. It shook and rattled and didn't spin all that fast. Then they set it to fill at low setting and it started pumping fast and then slowed down and then resumed fast pump. Water was leaking onto the floor but it did pump out and then it was shut off. They said it needed bearings at that time. I phoned the next week and they said now it needed a trans. as it was leaking. They weren't that encouraging about finding one. I told them that I would also scout around for the parts and as I mentioned to you, have been running into dead ends.
Jet, when you mention 1-18, I assume that means 1-18 pounds (I'm a quick study), though I'd never put that much in any machine. I also wonder how the pumping action of the 3 tiered blue pumper compares with that of the three ringed pumpers in the older vintage Frigidaires.
Gansky posted a pic and asks me if one of the consoles looks like mine. It does and I was taken by the fact that the title of the pic states '79 Frig model. I was totally unaware and very surprised that they made the pumpers till that time.
I'm going to visit it this coming Monday on my way back from taking my truck to the dealer. I will see about taking some pix of it at that time to post.
Jet, your post is such a comfort at this time and I thank you.
I want my pumper running so bad I can taste it! Have a good weekend. Dick

*****Post# 23743-11/2/2002-07:49 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Yes Gansky it does--one of the two top ones. I will try and get pix of it on Monday and post shortly after. I'm so excited I can't see straight!! Didn't realize Frigidaire made pumpers up until that time. Dick

*****Post# 23744-11/2/2002-10:22 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Dryer foot pedals
MESSAGE: I wouldn't think tht cost really matters, at least not on the top of the line goods. People are paying over $1,000.00 just for washing machines and around $900 for the top of the line dryers nowadays. Mark

*****Post# 23745-11/2/2002-12:21 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: BRIVA Sink Dishwasher
MESSAGE: If anyone is interested, Kitchenaid has just come out with a stainless steel sink dishwasher. Not much in the way of details yet but very neat. Go to Kitchenaid.com to see.

*****Post# 23746-11/2/2002-12:26 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: I'm still here
MESSAGE: Just a note to say HI! to everyone. Have not been posting lately as I am closing down my business and going to school on Nov. 25. Having fun at Jon's house and playing with my 1-18.
Going to put new rollers on it tomorrow maybe. Then Jon Charles and I will tear down the mechanism on the 66' CIK to see if the brake/clutch essembly is loose or worn out. The machine sometimes does not come to full spin and then the overload switch pops. We will see.

How nice to think of me while you were washing away. I'm glad you're enjoying the liquorice and the Dixan. I guess John doens't know what he is missing ;-) The Persil is very nice too. Both Dixan and (the German) Persil come from the same manufacturer (Henkel). Did Paolo give you the powder?

Far away in Holland

*****Post# 23748-11/2/2002-17:44 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: BRIVA Sink Dishwasher (BRIVA Sink Dishwasher )
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce
I hope you are doing well. I did briefly see this model online. I do wish that they would make the front load sink combo again. I think this is a very small model. I would like to see more specs on this model.
Peter

*****Post# 23749-11/2/2002-21:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Halloween Treat (watch this) (What is that?)
MESSAGE: That's the water temp control. Those machines don't have a water temp control because they were portable and could be hooked up to a sink. That box is there to let you hook up regular hot and cold hoses.

*****Post# 23751-11/3/2002-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Dick S, congratulations on the find!!!! And welconme to the club. The slow spin & the fast and slow pulsating of the agitator also indicates possibly the rollers are slipping. I saw that with Steve 1-18's poppy red set he brought home in August after the convention. This too can be dealt with. Bob

*****Post# 23752-11/3/2002-00:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: BRIVA Sink Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Bruce, the product concept was announced last spring and said it would be available someitme in the fall.

*****Post# 23753-11/3/2002-00:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm still here
MESSAGE: Bruce, glad to know you're doing fine. I've missed you and have wondered what you've been up to and if you were ill or not. Bob

*****Post# 23754-11/3/2002-06:53 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Bob-Thanks for your input about the rollers. The help and advice I'm receiving from you guys sure helps bolster my enouragement and excitement.
I should have some news and hopefully some pictures (if I can borrow a friend's digital) after I visit it tomorrow. Now, I've just got to track down the parts. Dick

*****Post# 23755-11/3/2002-07:02 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: 2003 Convention
MESSAGE: I know what I've forgotten to ask everyone as I have been lost in all the excitement over my 1-18. Where and when will next years convention be? If at all possible, I would love to attend, not only to be in ecstasy in touching and watching these wonderful vintage washers but also to meet you all and introduce myself. Dick

*****Post# 23756-11/3/2002-07:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WC6 washer (Dick is it a 1-18??)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick,
If the machine is leaking badly, I would guess that the rollers may be wet and that might cause the slipping. I would fix the leak and other obvious faults,check it is all dry underneath, then test again for slipping before replacing rollers.
Bear in mind I have never seen inside one of these "rollermatic" Frigidaires, so I may be barking up the wrong tree.
Does this sound reasonable to you Rollermatic experts?
Chris.

*****Post# 23758-11/3/2002-08:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 2003 Convention
MESSAGE: Dick, This subject was lightly broached at this year's convention. Nothing has been set up yet. Various scenarios were kicked around, but ... Rest assure we'll all know what evolves. Another member of the West Coast contingent taht we'll get to mee. I am looking forward to meeting you, as all of us are. However, we can continue to get to know each other via postings here and via email as many of us do. I'm very excited about your 1/18 find. As for parts, you will probably have to acquire other 1/18s and part them out for the best salvageable components and piece-meal together to have one great working washer. Bob

*****Post# 23760-11/3/2002-09:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: What a wonderful washer/dryer set. Almost like the set I got in Iowa in Sept. They work great, Oh if they only still made them like this..............A wonderful product of American Motors!

*****Post# 23761-11/3/2002-13:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: It is a beautiful washer - this Top of the Line model had pushbutton fabric care washing, automatic dispensers, a window lid and two speeds. A sure-cure for the washday blues!

*****Post# 23762-11/3/2002-13:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: And the most soothing sounds ever. The sound of water splashing on the glass is incredible!

*****Post# 23763-11/3/2002-14:06 ||| Nancy (Pittsburgh)
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster? (--and Nutone Food Center too)
MESSAGE: Do you still have the Nutone Food Center? My mother is looking for a new base unit - she has most attachments.

*****Post# 23764-11/3/2002-14:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: POD!
MESSAGE: I love the POD - I wish I had that Kelvinator washer. Although
I would perfer another color. Like Poppy Brown Yellow or even plain White.
Peter

*****Post# 23765-11/3/2002-19:00 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: VINTAGE 1940'S SPEED QUEEN MANGLE IRON
MESSAGE: Hey everyone! Just saw this listed on ebay and thought you guys might want to take a look at this. It's really beautiful!
Mark
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=730947756 Would be great if one of the club members could get it!!!

*****Post# 23766-11/3/2002-21:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: DADoES 40th BIRTHDAY!!!
MESSAGE: Someone thought they'd be VERY sneaky and delete their birthday date on their profile. HOWEVER, I remembered it was last Friday and it was GLENN'S 40TH Birthday. So, everyone, we must wish Glenn a happy 40th Birthday!!!! (I think he wanted to keep it low key LOL)

*****Post# 23768-11/3/2002-23:02 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: 1940's House
MESSAGE: The producers of "Frontier House" are coming up with a new series, this time set in wartime England. Titled "1940's House", this should provide viewers with a good view of what it was like not only to live in wartime England but also what it was like to live in a house with few of the modern conveniences, gadgets, and products we enjoy today. In the trailer I just saw on my local PBS station, they show the women washing clothes by hand, with a big washing stick of some sort. For lovers of vintage appliances, this should be an interesting series.

*****Post# 23770-11/4/2002-02:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House
MESSAGE: I don't think households in the UK around that time had many electrical appliances, but who knows, there might be something interesting in the series.

Louis

*****Post# 23771-11/4/2002-05:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House
MESSAGE: This was showing here about a year ago if I remember correctly. I guess you could call it an experiment of sorts; the people appearing in the show were a real family, and the house was completely free of modern-day conveniences. Everything was done very authentically, so there was no cheating or taking the easy way out. The only exception was a telephone, kept in a separate part of the house, purely for use in emergencies (i.e. calling the fire brigade if necessary!).

The only electrical appliances I think they had in the show were light bulbs and the radio. Everything else was done the old fashioned way, with genuine old fashioned equipment from the time. Fascinating to watch, and the historians who provide the commentary mention little facts and reasons about everything the family does.

*****Post# 23774-11/4/2002-06:50 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: my most recent find
MESSAGE: I picked this up last night...I am not sure what year it is??
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/More+apps&.src=ph&.dnm=GE+turquoise+stove.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bapps%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23776-11/4/2002-06:57 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: Anybody seen that new show, I think its called "American Dreams" on Sunday nights. The father/husband is a salesman in an appliance/TV store from the 50's, although they haven't really shown anything so to speak in the background...

*****Post# 23778-11/4/2002-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House
MESSAGE: I have only caught a little of the pioneer show, very interesting though - glad it's them and not me! The 40's show sounds interesting too...

*****Post# 23779-11/4/2002-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find
MESSAGE: Very nice Greg! You seem to have a knack for finding apps in colors and it looks like this is in nice shape. Not sure of the year though, early 60's would be a safe guess.

*****Post# 23780-11/4/2002-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: This is a great show - the music is fun and the TV/Appliance store is awesome. In the first episode of the show I was disappointed to see a late 60's - 70's Maytag washer/dryer set facing the back of the store (the show started in 1963 right before Kennedy was shot) but then I think in the 2nd and 3rd episodes I caught glimpses of a more period-authentic pink Maytag pushbutton washer and dryer facing the front of the store! In their house, the family has a later 60's or early 70's Maytag washer and dryer set - oh well.... I think there is a turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster on the counter in the kitchen, so that makes up for the laundry blunder a little bit.

*****Post# 23782-11/4/2002-08:12 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis was missed at the Wash In (YOu are correct sir!!)
MESSAGE: Yes Scott! I traded Jeff two MINT Staber machines for his GE COmbos. The white one I just hauled off the truck hooked up and it has been washing and drying ever since the convention!
The Avocado on is being completely rebuilt. It is a real job for manly men! Talk about frozen bearings wait till I post the condition of the parts I replaced! There are no more bearing kits available in the US so I have to make a new one from scratch!
Will post pix by the end of the month if all goes well!
jet

*****Post# 23783-11/4/2002-08:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis was missed at the Wash In
MESSAGE: Yes Paolo showed up at my door Wednesday nite with a 3KG box of Persil and Color catching cloths and a laundry bag for the cloths. He is supposed to be getting his Miele fixed today! Everybody say a pray to the laundry god!
I gave some Persil to a friend who grew up in Germany. She loved the smell it took her back. She pronounced it (Pear-Zil)! I guess thats what they say over there.
Come back Al misses you.

*****Post# 23784-11/4/2002-08:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy!)
MESSAGE: Georgeous! Where did you pick that up and should I be counting my collection at my "Secret Supply Storage Warehouse"???
jon and al

*****Post# 23788-11/4/2002-10:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find
MESSAGE: I love those GE ranges with the raised control panel. I believe they are from the late 50s/early 60s. Just saw one on Ebay, but this one is even better since it's turquoise! :-) Great find! Is that another turquoise item I see next to it??

*****Post# 23789-11/4/2002-10:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis was missed at the Wash In (YOu are correct sir!!)
MESSAGE: Cool! Thanks for the update Jet! Glad one of the machines was working so you could enjoy it right away! :)

*****Post# 23790-11/4/2002-11:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE 1940'S SPEED QUEEN MANGLE IRON
MESSAGE: It's in Omaha too - and probably will be staying here for that kind of price! I see these all the time at thrift stores and estate sales, many times for less than $20. The price is outrageous! I paid $17.50 for my '47 Ironrite at a sale several years ago.

*****Post# 23793-11/4/2002-13:40 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Manual Of The Month
MESSAGE: Uni--- thanks for the great vintage Kenmore manual! I was surprised to see Kenmore had already gone back to a combination of dial/buttons for the LK by '63. I suppose it's too early to start begging for the December issue, eh? :)

*****Post# 23794-11/4/2002-13:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE 1940'S SPEED QUEEN MANGLE IRON
MESSAGE: I wonder if we create the impression that these old machines are worth these outrageous prices buy running up the bids on eBay...

*****Post# 23796-11/4/2002-15:03 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE 1940'S SPEED QUEEN MANGLE IRON
MESSAGE: Hi Ph! To most people what we collect is junk. You've seen the funny faces, stares, and grimmaces when we reveal what we prize. To the we collectors though, these things are valuable! We work on them, polish them, run them, but most of all enjoy them. For you Northerners and Easterners it's quite possible for you to happen upon a 1-18 or an old bendix, or whatever. Living in the Southern states with all this salt and humidity in the air however, is quite different. All we can find is rusted up old junk....mostly Kenmores and I'm not even talking anywhere near the top of the line. I don't know about the other collector's, but when I find a real jewel like the pink GE or whatever, I bid on it. I would NEVER find that kind of machine in Florida. So, ebay is our only resource unless someone in the club offers a machine that we are in lust of. Do the bids get run up? Of course. We want those machines badly, and we sometimes overpay. But, since appliance collecting is my only vice, I'm going to keep bidding. Mark

*****Post# 23799-11/4/2002-18:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Laundry humor
MESSAGE: This was written by one of my favorite humor writers from the local paper, about some trials partially involving his vintage avacado green washer. ;-)
LINK: http://www.startribune.com/stories/404/3403408.html

*****Post# 23802-11/4/2002-20:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE 1940'S SPEED QUEEN MANGLE IRON
MESSAGE: Well, I guess I must again be the voice of dissent. Mark, I don't think it's really any easier to find a great vintage machine here in the Northeast as opposed to the South. In the Northeast, most of the vintage machines were kept in damp basements that usually got very wet when it rained and people tended to discard things too readily. So, the supply (if you can call it that) here is also quite limited. I have to be honest in that I have thought that some of the ebay bidding has gotten a bit out of hand - especially on one or two specific occasions. This is something we were all concerned about last year when we put together the list of "Wanted" washers. At the time the concern was that once used appliance dealers and others realized that there was a real interest in these appliances, prices would get out of control. So why is it OK now to do this on ebay? In some ways we are responsible for doing this to ourselves - if recent ebay activity is any indicator. So then we have no right to complain about other peoples'pricing strategies. Interestingly, those with the deepest pockets who are driving this initiative are not necessarily affected and can continue to overbid as necessary while those of more modest means who would also like to have one of those machines will have no chance on ebay. Perhaps I am just a bad capitalist but it would seem that things need to be more reasonable...

*****Post# 23810-11/4/2002-22:48 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Greg, I wish I knew the exact year, it looks better in the pic, it is FILTHY right now, needs a MAJOR cleaning !! I agree probably around early sixties, certainly no older, it comes with a temp probe, griddle, rotissirrie (no parts though)

*****Post# 23811-11/4/2002-22:50 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps... (kitchen)
MESSAGE: don't they have a turquoise frig in their kitchen too?? I will have to let them know I now have the matching stove, (hehe)

*****Post# 23813-11/4/2002-22:52 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Scott, actually I believe what you can barely see on the right are actual turquoise, metal cabinets........ supposedly they have been taken out and dumped :( , not that I could use them, but you NEVER see metal cabinets anymore.

*****Post# 23815-11/4/2002-22:57 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy!)
MESSAGE: OK, OK, i give, Jon is giving me a 1/18. My first Frigidaire, I am so excited. YAY !! But if you saw the way I cleaned his kitchen at the last dinner/wash-in......................hahaha

*****Post# 23816-11/4/2002-22:59 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GregM, Aqua Range
MESSAGE: Its a keeper, and thanks . It is missing the last knob to the left to turn on the smaller left oven. I hope to find one. The controls for the oven are pretty cool too..............

*****Post# 23817-11/4/2002-23:01 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (cool)
MESSAGE: really? Did you have a turquoise DW too? What were the brands?

*****Post# 23818-11/4/2002-23:02 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (thnx, yea? '57?)
MESSAGE: wow, cool, I didn't think it was that old, I thought '63 at the oldest. How do you know '57?

*****Post# 23822-11/4/2002-23:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POD Rain Barrell
MESSAGE: It has been a while since this ad showed up in the rotation. However, I'll say it again. What absurdity in marketing & merchandising. There you have it, a TOL Maytag washer with the fabric softener dispenser staring at you right in the face. Why couldn't they have used a washer WITHOUT a dispenser in the picture!!!!

*****Post# 23823-11/4/2002-23:38 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (turquoise(Hojo's))
MESSAGE: LOVE HOJOS! Not only were they the epitome of class in my hometown of Council Bluffs, Iowa (which tells you what kind of town that was - and it's gotten worse since then), they were the prefered spot for vacations. Love those Fried Clams! And the HoJo Birthday Club!!! And the bedside remote controls for the TV and Lights!!!

Not only that - when I was first starting out in my rather pointless "hospitality" career, I was a desk clerk at both the Iowa City and Minneapolis HoJo's (but not concurrently, I hasten to add ;-)

Just a little HoJo adoration for a Monday night. Back to the appliances.....

*****Post# 23825-11/5/2002-00:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell
MESSAGE: I have a bottle of Rain Barrell wash cycle softener on the shelf downstairs - I remember it not working when my mother tried it years ago, so on the shelf it will stay!

*****Post# 23826-11/5/2002-00:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (thnx)
MESSAGE: Yes, sadly, what are left of the mid-century kitchens seem to be disappearing at an alarming rate. The one house I lived in awhile back had white metal cabinets with the salmon-pink linen look formica with full stainless steel trim all around. It was quite cool! Turquoise metal would be awesome!

Though not metal or pastel colored, there are fortunately there are enough styles of cabinets and formica, wallpaper and such about, that one could create a reasonable facsimile of a mid-century kitchen, and the requisite vintage appliances still seem to be about, if anything more plentiful than the vintage laundry machines.

*****Post# 23828-11/5/2002-00:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (turquoise(Hojo's))
MESSAGE: are they now out of business or are they still in some areas of the country? I'm pretty sure ours are all gone now.

*****Post# 23829-11/5/2002-05:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell
MESSAGE: Yes, but I bet those marketing and advertising geniuses figured that most people would never notice that there was a fabric softener dispenser since most peoples' attitudes toward laundry is "let's just get it over with".... Little do they know what they are missing.....

*****Post# 23830-11/5/2002-05:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (turquoise(Hojo's))
MESSAGE: Yes, but didn't we all love an ice cream soda with the ice cream on top in a perfect pointy scoop? Where did they get those scoops anyway????

*****Post# 23831-11/5/2002-05:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (turquoise(Hojo's))
MESSAGE: They are pretty much all gone - but I remember a recent news story or magazine aritcle about someone who was trying to revive the name and keep one open somewhere.....

*****Post# 23832-11/5/2002-06:08 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (I thought Rain Barrell was for the Wash Cycle?)
MESSAGE: Hello,
I thought that you were supposed to use Rain Barrell in the wash cycle? I could be wrong, but I could swear you used it at the beginning of the wash.
Funny though about the dispenser. We saw during the convention a Maytag that was discarded by a dumpster that had years and years of powder detergent stuffed in the fabric dispenser. It was obvious that they thought that was where detergent went. I bet their clothes were clean!
Brent

*****Post# 23833-11/5/2002-06:14 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Bendix POD
MESSAGE: What a dream machine!
I love the how it said in the ad that "It washes and rinses and dries your clothes without watching."
My version would have read, "It washes and rinses and dries while you sit and watch with a relaxing libation to end your stressfull day."
Brent

Here's how you find out the year of your stuff....look inside at a switch or a timer or an oven clock, and there will be a date printed, at least 95% of the time.

You should learn how to find those things out FIRST, then come to us and REPORT what year it is, rather than always coming in and going 'gee - I don't know anything but here's what I think'....and you do that nearly every time.

Why not come on and tell us something you DO know, rather than always demonstrating how little you know. I'm tryin'
to help you here , but I bet you miss that point. I'd like posts to be more about machines and less about your opinion of them.
This is why, I am Mr. Popularity.

*****Post# 23835-11/5/2002-07:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Birthday (consideration)
MESSAGE: That was a helpful little hint you gave there, IMPERIALBOB. I have used that trick of looking for a dated component myself but hadn't thought to share it with others newer to appliance collecting.
It's a pity you had to spoil your helpful hint with that burst of venom at the end.
Sometimes I read the posts on this site, I marvel at how helpful and generous members of this group are to each other. Then I read a post like that one and it brings me back down a notch.

Chris.

*****Post# 23836-11/5/2002-07:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (I thought Rain Barrell was for the Wash Cycle?)
MESSAGE: You could use it in the wash or the rinse cycle according to the label. My mother was forever dashing back to the washer at the beginning of the rinse cycle, or running a second rinse to get the Downy in. The wash cycle softener didn't work well and she went back to doing the softener dash!

I remember that washer with the detergent in the cup - I have some clients who bought a Downy ball because the softener attached to the agitator of their 88 Kenmore 'quit working' - the true story is that the dispenser needed to be cleaned years ago and it's clogged with Downy/Snuggle goo. There was still softener riding around in there for a long time, but it's turned to jello now.

*****Post# 23837-11/5/2002-08:17 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (turquoise(Hojo's))
MESSAGE: I believe there maybe be a handful somewhere in New England that are still open..........

Sorry that this thank you is late, but I wanted you
to know how wonderful the hospitality extended to us
when we visited. Boston was great. I only hope that
on our next visit there will be Sun :))

I hope "Al" is doing better. John told me he had to
go to the vet. Give him a BIG kiss from me.

You & Al are welcomed here anytime!

Always,

Cliff & John

*****Post# 23839-11/5/2002-09:26 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy!)
MESSAGE: I could answer that question also. I was there. What is it worth to someone? HEHEHEHE.

*****Post# 23841-11/5/2002-09:57 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Birthday (40)
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken, isn't this site supposed to be where we can ask questions? I myself am still learning about these machines as well as alot of us here. If we don't ask questions we don't get answers.

As far as year made on appliances it is hard to decifer the model and serial numbers on some manufacturers products if you don't have the books. Frigidaire is fairly easy while others are more difficult if you don't know what you are looking at or do not have the books.

I think the comments in this post from Bob were uncalled for and rather insulting.

*****Post# 23843-11/5/2002-10:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (hotels and F&B)
MESSAGE: The hotel chain is still a viable franchise with one of the big hotel group corporations. In order "to maintain focus on their primary business," they sold off the food and beverage piece of the business, and it didn't survive. For the fried clams and that super rich, pointy ice cream alone, the chain should have lived! Those miles of booths, the waitress call number lights, the plastic plants, huge "colonial" light fixtures, Nutone bathroom fans -- nostalgia!!!

Remember also that Perkins restaurants were part of the Holiday Inn corporation. They too were sold off in the "refocus" frenzy, but they faired much better. Not sure about the Marriott/Big Boy's tho'...

-ph

*****Post# 23844-11/5/2002-10:31 ||| Jodorczyk (Rochester, NY)
SUBJECT: 1955 Fridgidaire Refridgerator Owners Manual
MESSAGE: I have a 50 year old brother who is autistic. Though he has a hard time functioning in the real world, he has an unbelievable memory (like the movie Rainman). His passion is old busses and appliances. He has been obsessed for several years in finding an owners manual for a 1955 Fridgidaire Fridge. Evidently our family had one of these when we were kids and he remembers reading it and the fact that there was a section with recipes in it. Can anyone tell me how I could find a copy of this owners manual? It would certainly make his Christmas if I could come up with one.

Thanks

Jim

*****Post# 23845-11/5/2002-11:26 ||| scottdamit (Indiana)
SUBJECT: pre-historic hotpoint range
MESSAGE: I cant believe I could log in. lol Do we have any hotpoint/ge fans? If so does anybody have a wb44x5031 bake element new or used that they might want to sell? This element has been NLA for about 10 yrs. I'll pay for S+H and what ever cost you want for it.

*****Post# 23848-11/5/2002-14:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell
MESSAGE: I remember when that stuff came out and I tried it. I didn't think it worked well at all. Guess that's why it didn't last. Mark

your a belt driven ge guy right? I've got a ge washer mid 80's model, works great except the tubs leaning to the left front of the machine. Greg mentioned i should examine the suspension to see if something was broken but upon examiniation i noticed everything intact but that there was no support for the left rear of the machine.

Are there some adjustments that can be made (to the tension on one end) to make the basket lay in the center instead of to the left, the machine is really suffering and i know you don't want to see a older ge suffer =)

No support for the left rear? That means that the snubber plate back there slipped out of the snubber clamps that are attached to the base of the machine, or the snubber clamp is broken and missing altogether. You should have no problem getting a new snubber clamp, but getting the carriage back into the clamps will take some muscle.

The inner tub, transmission, clutch and motor are all what I call the "carriage." They all move in one piece. The outer tub and pump are part of the cabinet and do not move. The huge rubber boot between the outer tub and the transmission allow for the carriage to move quite a bit. The cable susspension and the snubbers keep the movement at a minimum.

there is something on the base of the machine, a part that kind of slides around, what i meant was there is nothing on the top part, is there something thats supposed to be on the top part? Would a picture help =)

*****Post# 23854-11/5/2002-21:08 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: GregM Aqua GE Range Info:::::::::::::::::
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, After that uncalled for attack on you I felt compelled to look up the info on your GE. The 1959 GE Product Man reference book that I have lists your range as Model # J408T1 with the following description:
"The J308T1 and the J408T1 are 1960 model deluxe ranges. The backslpasher on these models is of a new design and features Front Servicing. Except for the thermostat ,every component within the backsplasher can be serviced from the front without pulling the range away from the wall."
The book goes on to describe range features and service proceedures. I would be glad to make you a copy of it anytime if you need it for reference. We all have to remember here that no one person knows everything about everything. The only way we learn is to ask. Some know more than others, and the purpose of this group is to aid and assist our fellow appliance friends with any help we can. A negative thought or comment only results in a negative attitude back. I live by the philosophy not to compare myself with others, that I am an individual and there will always be someone with greater or lesser knowledge than me. ANYTIME you need any help Greg, ASK> Most of us will be more than happy to help, and I appreciate all the help I have gotten from the guys here.

*****Post# 23861-11/5/2002-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Anyone???
MESSAGE: Hi All:
Does anyone have information on suppliers for toaster and waffle iron parts? My friend is repairing his mom's 50 year old waffle iron and needs the connector leads from the thermostat to the actual elements. It seems they are asbestos coated but there must be new material that they use today to connect the thermostat to the elements that would be heat resistant??
Any help would be appreciated!
jetcone

*****Post# 23864-11/5/2002-22:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy! -ouch)
MESSAGE: Yes Steved, gregM can be very funny at times! Especially when he is leaning over a Rapid-Dry 1000 ready to jump into spin!
jet

*****Post# 23865-11/5/2002-22:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find
MESSAGE: GREGM!!!! Cool lookin' stove, you are cookin' in your finds!!! I surmise by the number of knobs on the control panel that it's double oven rather than the left bay simply being a storage portion.

*****Post# 23866-11/5/2002-22:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: GregM, it actually takes place starting right before the Kennedy assasination. I've faithfully watched it. Turqoise fridge (of what brand I can't tell yet) and a white stove and turqaoise kitchen cabinets. The closest we've seen to a washer was the Dad saying to a customer, "May I show you a washer & drymer Mrs ....?" I keep hoping, like in the movie, "That Thing You DO" that we'll se some vintage appliances in that store eventually.

*****Post# 23867-11/5/2002-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: Well, Greg, I'm practically on top of the tv screen and have videotapped the show, but have missed the aforementioned washers. Rats.

*****Post# 23868-11/5/2002-22:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis was missed at the Wash In (YOu are correct sir!!)
MESSAGE: Jon, bearing in mind that I have not a mechanical bone in my body, I am supremely duely impressed and I cannot wait for pics to be posted. Please include little captions like Robert does if you are able. Bob

*****Post# 23869-11/5/2002-22:58 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: Have you noticed on American Dream the opening credits have the Frigidaire Dancers up at the top of the tv screen.

*****Post# 23870-11/5/2002-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy!)
MESSAGE: Hmm, I might be willing to do slave-labor for a vintage GM Frigidaire!!!!! Wonder what it will take???

*****Post# 23871-11/5/2002-23:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps... (Follies)
MESSAGE: I smile every time I see that in the opening credits. We are some of the very few people in the world that even recognize that!

*****Post# 23872-11/5/2002-23:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (I thought Rain Barrell was for the Wash Cycle?)
MESSAGE: Yes Brent, it went in the wash cycle. As for the dumped Maytag, probably user abuse and cleaning neglect. Just simply pour the soap in where-ever it landed, even in the dispenser.

*****Post# 23873-11/5/2002-23:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new show with 50's apps...
MESSAGE: Now you'll have a reason to watch again! The first time I saw the pink Maytags was I think in the second episode, and the family's home set was the episode before last.

*****Post# 23874-11/5/2002-23:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Birthday (Imperial Bob)
MESSAGE: Bob, I love you dearly. But I have to say, you're a bit harsh on GregM. He's still learning. And has a lot to learn. He's inquisitive in his own fashion. I'm not even collecting anything. HE IS. HE's finding stuff. If I did, I'd be completely CLUELESS as to where to begin. I'd probably stand in the middle of the garage and start crying hysterically due to ignorance and ineptitude. C'mon buddy, you once were a novice many decades ago. Greg is now that. Show some compassion, which I KNOW you have. You're one of the leaders here Bob, cherish that role please. That role encompasses fostering and mentoring the newbies here. I should be so blessed, but all my role is here is an inept bystander who wishes I had the talents y'all possess. But I do know I still contribute something here--of what I'm not sure many times. Bob, please think about this for me and the rest of us, who you once claimed to love nearly as much as family. I myself still do.

*****Post# 23877-11/5/2002-23:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (I thought Rain Barrell was for the Wash Cycle?)
MESSAGE: I have been using the All softener for a couple of months now - it has a pleasant stink to it. Don (jetaction) really liked it too when he was using it here last month.

I still want orginal scented Downy back again, but a box of Dash would be a dream, let alone a softener to compliment it!

I bought a box of Cheer a month ago and was crushed when I tore open the box and it was white powder! When did that happen??? It's supposed to be blue!

*****Post# 23878-11/5/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (Naughty Boy! -)
MESSAGE: Wouold that be a spicy film given it's made from Worcester??? I steak my claim on it.

*****Post# 23880-11/6/2002-00:15 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Classic Machines On Their Way
MESSAGE: Greetings from sunny, southern California. One wall in my garage is set up with 5 sets of plumbing and electrical connections. My first three machines are on their way here:

*****Post# 23884-11/6/2002-06:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (softeners and detergents)
MESSAGE: Glenn - the All softener comes in both liquid and dryer sheets and in two fragrances: fresh to match regular and rain to match match Fresh Rain All. They have even made it here to supermarkets in CT, so I am sure they are in Texas. So where did the Ariel come from? Is it the usual Mexican Ariel?

*****Post# 23885-11/6/2002-06:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (I thought Rain Barrell was for the Wash Cycle?)
MESSAGE: I still cannot get used to that. If I remember, it was a gradual transition. It went from blue to blue and white, then to white. Same with Dreft powder - used to be pink powder then pink and white, now just white.... sigh....

And can you forget Bold's blue and green power granules or Oxydol's green crystals or All's 3 B's (bleach, borax and brighteners)in yellow, blue and green mixed with the white detergent powder??

*****Post# 23888-11/6/2002-07:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Machines On Their Way
MESSAGE: Thats how to do it Ross! Get them spinning again all in a line!
Post up some pix!!!
jetcone

*****Post# 23889-11/6/2002-07:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (Bleach Borax & Brighteners!!!)
MESSAGE: Ohmy gawd the 3 B's!!! Bleach Borax & Brighteners! I fogot all about them! We should make that the secret club greeting when we are stranded in foreign places so we can recognize each other!!!!
jet

*****Post# 23890-11/6/2002-07:58 ||| COMBOBOY (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (Bleach Borax & Brighteners!!!)
MESSAGE: What a Hoot! I had also forgotten those heady days of colored sprinkles in the detergents. Does anyone still have a "free" towel from Swan detergent? I'm down to my last one!

*****Post# 23891-11/6/2002-08:00 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone???
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! There is a man here in St. Petersburg that fixes old toasters, waffle irons, mixers, and could repair it for you by making the part or he may have a replacement part. He's fixed all of my old Sunbeam mixers, toasters, waffle irons, irons, etc. when no one else could seem to. If you could email me a picture of what you need or a part number, I could check with him to see if he could help. He even fixed my 1950's built-in toaster! Mark

*****Post# 23893-11/6/2002-08:45 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my most recent find (correct)
MESSAGE: thanks Bob, it is a double oven, control knob is missing on the left, I am sure I will find one at some point.........

*****Post# 23896-11/6/2002-08:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Acme centrifuge
MESSAGE: I just found an Acme centrifuge, I think it's from the fifties. It is square and has I think a painted drum. It's very heavy so I have it delivered on Friday. I thought Acme was only an American brand, but this centrifuge is made in Scotland. Unfortunately I just put a new film in my camera, but I will sure make some pictures.

*****Post# 23902-11/6/2002-09:52 ||| Mvaree (cleveland, oh)
SUBJECT: Anyone want a Visi-matic wringer/washer??
MESSAGE: I have a Visi-matic wringer/washer. Anyone interested?? I need to get rid of it by November 20, 2002. Make an offer...
Thanks,
Mary
I can be contacted at 216-292-2950 or mary@shakerinvest.com

*****Post# 23903-11/6/2002-10:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme centrifuge
MESSAGE: One of our members is a salesperson for Acme vacuums......

*****Post# 23905-11/6/2002-13:27 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: an old combo....
MESSAGE: Hi all! A friend of mine has found an old combo....he doesn't know what brand, but I told him I wanted it...so I'll be in West Virginia trying to find it until the 14th. (I know you'll all miss me!LOL) I will let you know what it is as soon as I return. He seemed to think it was from the early 40's! Mark

*****Post# 23906-11/6/2002-13:52 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: an old combo....
MESSAGE: Just got a call from the friend of mine that found the combo. He said that it was a SAVAGE Model # 110A. Pardon my ignorance, but I've never heard of this one. Anybody out there know this one? (for some reason, this thing sounds newer than older) Mark

*****Post# 23907-11/6/2002-14:44 ||| WRINGINGWET (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: an old combo.... (SAVAGE COMBO )
MESSAGE: My first inclination is that the savage washer from pre war was considered a washer/ dryer ... the circular tub was tilted and rolled like a front loading washer and then stepping on a pedal and lifting the basket in the upright posititon it spun the clothes out. here is a video and pics of what I think it might be ... I would love to have one of these
LINK: http://216.160.174.6/oldewash_docs/oldewash/detail_report.cfm?machine_num=12

*****Post# 23908-11/6/2002-14:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: an old combo.... (SAVAGE COMBO )
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I don't yet know what the owners want for it, but if it's as in the pictures, then that's something that I don't collect. I'm going to get it anyway. I was thinking it might be an early Bendix-like machine. I'll let you know how it turns out. Mark

*****Post# 23909-11/6/2002-16:56 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme centrifuge
MESSAGE: The Acme Juicerator is a centrifuge with blades in the bottom, used for juicing fruits and vegetables. High quality appliances, new Juicerators don't look changed from the 1960s' model. See link for one on eBay. Acme is now owned by Waring. Can still taste the carrot & celery juice my father used to make me drink....YECHHH!

*****Post# 23915-11/6/2002-21:21 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme centrifuge (Acme centrifuge )
MESSAGE: I have a very simular juicer
mine is all stainless
it is a good machine and makes great juice
Peter

*****Post# 23916-11/6/2002-22:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House
MESSAGE: I am watching it now as I type. It is very good.

I'm particularly interested in the gardening and how they manage to get the house work done without modern conveniences. They do have an old gas stove ("cooker" in old Blighty), which has an interesting layout. The oven is set apart down from the cooktop, so you can use the top of the oven to keep things warm and still have a full set of pots bubbling away. I guess this saves space as well.

Presumably they have an electric refrigerator; certainly they were common by 1939?

I'm impressed with the family they chose - these people are not that fit or well prepared for the ordeal ahead, but they are quite game and willing. Although I 'm sure they get a bit crankier as time goes on.

I'm seeing the grandmother do the laundry with a hand-crank mangle. What a chore!

*****Post# 23917-11/6/2002-23:31 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg
MESSAGE: You were right peter, the suspension had completely shifted out of the "brake pads" which hold the tub straight, the machine is MUCH quieter and the tubs finially straight!

I've posted a pic of it at work and under that same yahoo name you can see other machines I've gotten and worked on that I'm selling to the folks around san diego, so thanks peter and greg for helping me provide people with good quality used appliances!

I got to replace a drain hose on a maytag a608 washer, and i've never cared much for the style of these machines but after watching it hum away with the front off im amazed, a 30 year old machine that runs perfect is quiet and simple and the entire transmission spins! What a little gem =) Almost don't want to sell it!

*****Post# 23920-11/7/2002-00:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (softeners and detergents Ariel)
MESSAGE: glenn, I saw that 7 load box of Ariel at WMT this past Sunday. How's the sudsing??, oh Wait a Minute, the F&P doesn't generate suds like my Shredmore, I better not buy any. It's that time of the year in my household--that of critical water usage measuring. Don't need to be donig any acccidentally unnecessary 2nd rinses.

*****Post# 23921-11/7/2002-00:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg
MESSAGE: Thanks for the update - glad you have it running smoothly again. Enjoyed your pictures - I see a Kenmore with a Penta-Vane agitator, my favorite KM agitator. Too bad they didn't put them in prettier machines!

*****Post# 23922-11/7/2002-03:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme centrifuge (picture)
MESSAGE: One of the members of the Twintubemporium has a picture of this spinner in his album. You have to be a member to view the picture.

*****Post# 23923-11/7/2002-03:42 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (wrong agitator)
MESSAGE: gansky1, inside that kenmore is a penta-swirl agitator.
I'm still trying to find one, but in due time I will get one!
Just wish me luck!

*****Post# 23924-11/7/2002-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (softeners and detergents)
MESSAGE: I didn't know there was such a thing - of course haven't seen that up here yet.... does it smell like the Mexican Ariel?

I grew up with a 1970 Kenmore 800 washer and a 700 Dryer. The 800 had a gold rotoswirl agitator. The cycles were Enzyme Soak/Prewash, Normal/2nd Rinse, Perm Press, Delicate.

The best memories were the hours and hours of watching it do load after load.

Here's a scan from a 1970 catalog. It's as beautiful as we remember it to be.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/vwp?.dir=/pictures/Dream+Machines&.dnm=Kenmore+800.jpg&.src=bc&.view=l&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f%26.dir=/pictures/Dream%2bMachines%26.src=bc%26.view=l

*****Post# 23926-11/7/2002-07:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (wrong agitator)
MESSAGE: Penta swirl!!! That's it - with the little fins on the bottom skirt - I'll have to keep my eyes open for one. I used to have a KM black panel washer with that agitator in it, I used it for only a short time as it was left in a condo that I switched out with my turquoise Maytag set.

*****Post# 23928-11/7/2002-08:40 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: POD: Maytag
MESSAGE: Would this beauty be a '59 model? There are four pushbuttons on the left side of the console; are two of them for speed selection and two for suds-saving?

*****Post# 23930-11/7/2002-08:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (Our pleasure!)
MESSAGE: Glad to provide assistance! Does the washer work on "gentle" speed? Many GE's won't because the previous owner changed speeds while the machine was running and ruined the friction clutch...

-ph

*****Post# 23931-11/7/2002-09:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (domestic?)
MESSAGE: Domestic Ariel? I know that Walmark is known to sometimes offer stuff from over the border, so I'd be really surprised to see something other than Mexican Ariel. For a short time, they were carrying Roma in the GA area stores, another strong Mexican detergent. Did it come in a box or bag?

*****Post# 23934-11/7/2002-09:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme centrifuge (picture CUTE)
MESSAGE: Oh Its cute Louis! I love the spigot in front is that where the scotch pours out at 5:00PM????

*****Post# 23936-11/7/2002-09:46 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: I love today's pic. Maytag had the besy shade of sunny yellow I think. Does anyone know what year this model is? A former neighbor had this machine in white. I'm guessing around a 1958.

*****Post# 23939-11/7/2002-12:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (domestic?)
MESSAGE: Small box. As I recall, it says "made in USA." I've not had an encounter with Mexican Ariel, so I don't have anything else for reference.

*****Post# 23941-11/7/2002-12:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (the hunt is on)
MESSAGE: Wow! I'll have to go looking to see if they have it around here.

It has a very STRONG, very sweet, apple smell to it that lingers long after a second rinse and the dryer... It smells even better with about 20 ounces of Tropical Bloom Downy in the last rinse...

-ph

*****Post# 23942-11/7/2002-13:34 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a Visi-matic wringer/washer?? (photo thereof)
MESSAGE: I have been looking for one of these. It looks like it is in nice shape. When do you need to be rid of it?

*****Post# 23943-11/7/2002-14:04 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: viewing owners manual of the month
MESSAGE: I did download Acrobat Reader yesterday. I tried to view the Kenmore file again today but I still cannot get it. The computer comes up with a message that says "Timed Out". Am I doing something wrong?

*****Post# 23944-11/7/2002-14:10 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a Visi-matic wringer/washer?? (photo thereof)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I think I am confused. I thought you were ridding of one but the picture is Gansky's.

*****Post# 23946-11/7/2002-15:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Rain Barrell (the hunt is on)
MESSAGE: They have it at Wal Mart here - I bought two boxes, one for each laundry room. I should have only bought one.

I opened the box, took a whiff and put it back up on the shelf - unused. I couldn't talk Don (jetaction) into using it when he was here either - it's very strong! It does add to the 'pick a detergent' fun for visitors though.

I also have a bottle of Tropical Bloom Downy, only one capful used and up on the shelf it stays. Phew! We were at Petsmart the other day and cashier was wearing a jacket that very obviously had a BIG dose of Tropical Downy - I recognized instantly.

*****Post# 23947-11/7/2002-15:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: viewing owners manual of the month
MESSAGE: Hmmmm... I just tried it now and it's downloading fine for me. Try right-clicking your mouse on the link and select 'save target as' and then save it in a file on your computer - then you can open it with Acrobat Reader.

*****Post# 23948-11/7/2002-15:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a Visi-matic wringer/washer?? (photo thereof)
MESSAGE: You could have the cleanest, whitest drop off laundry service in town if you would just try it! What else do you have to do there anyway - the TV was stolen!

Much thanks goes to Brent, who saved the day and gave me an old RCA 19" TV. It fit perfectly on the changer, and it is just old enought that I don't think it will get stolen. The funny part is now that there is a TV, I've been getting lots of compliments on the new washers!

-ph

*****Post# 23950-11/7/2002-16:14 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (Our pleasure!)
MESSAGE: no the gentle button doesn't do anything when you press it. When the machines starts it starts slow then makes a click sound and starts going faster.

*****Post# 23951-11/7/2002-16:16 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (wrong agitator)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore machine was a trade-in and I'd more than glad to swap out that agitator and send it to you if you'd send me one of those ratchet ones.

*****Post# 23952-11/7/2002-16:35 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: The Kenmore Agitator
MESSAGE: Here is a pic of the inside for you cleanteam:

*****Post# 23953-11/7/2002-16:36 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (wrong agitator)
MESSAGE: I do have a dual action agitator for the belt drive machines in the basement, but it lacks the cover, the auger and power fins is still intact and I will send the agitator mounting screw with it!

Anyway, I can find one of those caps on the job, but it take sometime until someone throws one away, but we can switch if you like!

As long as the Dual Action one is in good shape and you find the cap I'll swap it, no biggie. Email me at: steven_okpysh@adelphia.net and I'll give you my address.

Right now sellin machines is my livelyhood =) Our software company went outta business in march, sheesh graduate college get a good job writin code, then a year later the company goes kaput! Good thing washers are easy to find and so very much fun to rescue =)

~Steven

*****Post# 23957-11/7/2002-17:17 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (ge stupidity)
MESSAGE: When my mothers pink 1957 GE washer died we got a white (boring!)mini basket model. Even at the tender age of 10ish I remember reading in the user guide not to switch speeds while it was running. Fortunetly the GE repair rep had a sense of humor the first two times he came to repair the tranny. My mother on the other hand failed to see the humor and convinced me not to screw with it again! The point being, why didn't ge just fix the problem (like any 50's/60's housewife read the user guide!)

*****Post# 23959-11/7/2002-17:50 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: "test driving appliances"
MESSAGE: Today's Atl. paper has an article in "living section" about two "interactive centers" that will soon be opening in Butthead. The first is sponsored by WP and called "Insperience". The centers will allow customers to "test drive" washers and dryers. They will also include dishwashers and ranges. Interesting idea, but I can't help but imagine "urban outdoorsmen" coming in to wash their delicates!

*****Post# 23961-11/7/2002-19:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Agitator
MESSAGE: The one in my KM didn't have the top portion for the fabric softener dispenser as this one does - mine had a sparkling gold cap with Penta-Swirl in black script. I remember looking at these illustrated in the catalogs, they were so graceful looking!

*****Post# 23963-11/7/2002-19:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Agitator
MESSAGE: Kenmore does away with the mighty Roto Swirl, an agitator that's been with them since they started with automatics, and then they come out with that Penta Swirl.

*****Post# 23964-11/7/2002-20:31 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: "test driving appliances" (test driving appliances)
MESSAGE: That is a Great idea
I wish I could test drive appliances for a living
Peter

*****Post# 23965-11/7/2002-21:47 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: pre-historic hotpoint range (maybe..........)
MESSAGE: Scott, the model number you sent, 107RHM950E, I believe, is for the small oven of a 40" Hotpoint Hi-Oven range (a la Flair), a Hallcraft (Custom Deluxe) model. Alas, but they only mention the WB44X5031 in my bake unit guide... but.... possibly, the Frigidaire unit might fit. Try Gemline RP705, 10 1/4" wide, by 11 1/2" deep, 1600 Watt. This is a replacement for the Frig # 7532554 (small oven). It's a tilt up unit, with connections in the center. Gemline also lists a few others of similar dimensions, but most are 2900 watts plus. I have a Gemline cross-reference chart with dimensions.... Check it out? Good luck, SteveD

*****Post# 23967-11/8/2002-05:01 ||| chicapplis (chicago area)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore appliances (I found an 800 last week)
MESSAGE: This seems to be a popular machine. Was 1970 the only year it was made? I found one at a thrift store and it works. Its Harvest Gold with a sudsaver. It has some rust but not too bad.

*****Post# 23969-11/8/2002-05:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: "test driving appliances"
MESSAGE: Well, I am glad that someone is finally doing this. I have said that for years - after all how can you spend money on an appliance if you can't see it operate? Cars are test friven - - why not appliances?

Especially with something like a Miele - when my friend bought hers, I thought - wouldn't it be great if we could try it out first......

While staying in Boston with Jon we went to the Miele showroom. There was a Miele set hooked up for testing. I believe all showrooms have a set connected for this purpose.

Louis

*****Post# 23971-11/8/2002-06:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore appliances (I found an 800 last week)
MESSAGE: SHEESH! I wish I could find one at a thrift store. I know someone who still has a Kenmore 70 washer from the early 70s so they're still out there.

Actually the 800 was made from I think 1960 to 1972. 1970 is the year I'm looking for.

*****Post# 23972-11/8/2002-06:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "test driving appliances"
MESSAGE: I remember seeing a Fisher & Paykel demo last year and I wanted the machine with the window lid but they wouldn't sell it :-(

*****Post# 23973-11/8/2002-06:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: "test driving appliances" (BTW)
MESSAGE: Forgot to tell that Paulo was so nice to drive us there and there were two pictures taken as evidence. In the second picture you see Jon with one of the sets. This wasn't the set that was totally connected, that was a built in set.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/2002+Convention+and+Holidays&.dnm=Disney+land.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

*****Post# 23974-11/8/2002-08:10 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Agitator (Is that a Thin Twin?!)
MESSAGE: I have always wanted one! Can I have a pic of the washer running? I have always wanted to see one run!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/washerstuff/vwp?.dir=/my+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Picture+006.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/washerstuff/lst%3f%26.dir=/my%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****Post# 23975-11/8/2002-09:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The belted ge is right on balance, thanks pete and greg (ge stupidity)
MESSAGE: It wasn't a problem; it was user error. If it was a problem, they wouldn't have kept that design for so long (yeah, right!)...

-ph

*****Post# 23976-11/8/2002-09:40 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Hey Guys, My partner just got himself a Lady Kenmore washer that looks pretty darn modern to me. When did Sears stop using the Lady Kenmore brand? All of the appliance salespeople at the local Sears just gave me a blank look, but I think the oldest one there was probably all of 22 :-)

*****Post# 23980-11/8/2002-14:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House
MESSAGE: I'm not entirely sure how common refrigerators were at the time. Certainly my mother, who was born in '48, didn't have one while she was growing up - and the family was quite well off at the time, running a large guest house.

My guess is that larders were a far more common method of storing perishables. All the houses I lived in as a kid (each built between 1950-1960) had a big larder in the kitchen, which stayed surprisingly cold even in the heat of summer. The 1972 Good Housekeeping cookery book my mother has even features a whole chapter on "the importance of the larder", instructing the housewife how to make the best use of it; people still used them long after refrigerators became popular.

*****Post# 23981-11/8/2002-14:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House (Larders)
MESSAGE: I see. That makes sense, since in the 1940's house show they talk about how on a warm day the milk spoiled to the point where they couldn't use it on cereal but were able to make some sort of sauce out of it.

Larders are great things. I have lived in older homes that have cabinets on external north facing walls (in the northern hemisphere, of course) that are open to the outdoors, but screened. These did a pretty good job of keeping supplies cool most of the year. Unfortunately in my present house, the north facing wall faces the street and there's no convenient way to place a larder on that wall. Another possibility is to cut a hole in the floor and install a larder box in the ventilated crawl space, which is always fairly cool in the summer. Or use the hole in the flooring for vent pipe into an above-floor larder cabinet, with a duct that exhausts out the roof. Hmmm... There's an old metal clad 16" tile furnace flue taking up a space the size of a cabinet inside a corner of my kitchen. When it comes time to re-roof, I may build a crawl-space vented larder in that spot, and exhaust it through the roof. It would be a great place to keep things like potatoes, onions, garlic, apples, pears, and other semi-perishibles, etc. Those items don't seem to keep that well inside a fridge, which can be too cold and too drying or too damp. I'm already having fun figuring out how to insulate and seal the larder, design the door (an old style icebox handle would be great), so that it doesn't cause heating energy losses in the winter, and stays as cool as possible in the summer. I'd also put in a damper and/or vent diaphragm so that the amount of air movement could be controlled.

*****Post# 23982-11/8/2002-15:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House (Show conclusion)
MESSAGE: PS-They showed all three hours of the 1940's house show, back to back, in one evening. I wondered however if the show was edited. Was it longer than three hours when it aired initially in Britain?

It was cool to see how the experience enriched the lives of the participant family. The grandmother and grandfather seemed to find a new purpose in life. She found she could reduce her food bill 50% by preparing more foods in the home and shopping at smaller local grocers, butchers, bakeries, etc, and using less prepared foods and frozen dinners. She also found a new career as a volunteer working in senior citizen's centers. The daughter found a new independence, knowing that she could do a lot of things - including repairing vintage airplanes - that she never dreamed of doing before. The two little sons found they got along better and fought less over toys. And I thought the grandparents' purchase and use of a vintage 1949 Ford Prefect automobile was fantastic.

One of the lines in the show stuck with me. It was to the effect, midway through the experience, when one of the women said that all the conveniences of modern life didn't necessarily make one's life happier. They seem to have found joy in life by doing more with less.

*****Post# 23986-11/8/2002-18:22 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: "Blue" commercial
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen the blue cross commercial where the son comes into the kitchen to tell mom and dad he's had a wreck?
It starts with "mom, dad I wrecked the Studebaker" and the appliances are 1940ish(?), then "I wrecked the Desoto" and the appliances are 50/60ish, then "I wrecked the Pacer", I'll leave that to you imagination.
I haven't had a chance to record it so that I can see all the different stuff. Creative and interesting, but who cares about the insurance!

*****Post# 23987-11/10/2002-01:48 ||| chicapplis (chicago area)
SUBJECT: New to group
MESSAGE: just want to say what an awesome group this is. Is there anyone in the Illinois area whom also collects.

*****Post# 23988-11/10/2002-02:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Blue" commercial
MESSAGE: Yes, I have enjoyed that commercial as well. Nice shots of the kitchens of the various eras. I don't know if I'd equate a Studebaker or a DeSoto with an AMC Pacer, though ;-).

*****Post# 23989-11/10/2002-02:29 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: POD Bendix 36 Million?
MESSAGE: How close is that to the truth?
There were 36 million Bendix washers out there during that time?
You would think with a small group like us compared to that estimate, each one of us would find one somewhere.
Or am I just looking in all the wrong places?
Congrats to all of you who have found yours!
Brent

Very cool! 1968 This model has the convertible door - drop down
for loading and side swinging for unloading into a basket. There was
out on the South Dakota farm, but the door mechanism was broken so we
couldn't get it to work.

Thanks for the link - wish it was closer, would be fun to play with.

Greg

Same here......
Check it out, maybe one of us will bid on it!

LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2070293116

*****Post# 23991-11/10/2002-02:52 ||| Pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: 70's Frig. Up & Down Agitator Machine
MESSAGE: I inherited a perfect but strange mid to late 70's Frigidaire top of the line up and down agitaion JET CLEAN machine that is large capacity (18) and works great. It is BRICK red color. What do you think it is worth?

*****Post# 23992-11/10/2002-03:00 ||| cleanteamofny (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 70's Frig. Up & Down Agitator Machine
MESSAGE: What you got is a gem, to sell it would be a sin unless you do not have room to store it!
It is worth a lot of money if sold on Ebay......

If I had the spare cash, I would buy it in a heartbeat!

Larry

*****Post# 23993-11/10/2002-03:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's House (Larders)
MESSAGE: Regarding the milk, I asked my mother about this, and she told me that they used to keep a bucket of cold water in the larder, in which they stood the milk bottle to keep it cool. She said this worked quite well, and that the milk would usually last 24 hours until the next visit to the shops. Nowadays, we have it much easier... I order groceries online every Friday, take delivery on Saturday, and store the whole week's supply of milk in the freezer until needed.

I remember the larders we had in my childhood homes quite well. On the North side of the house, of course, with an air brick in the wall, and a solid concrete shelf which always stayed really cold. Although not quite the 0-5*C of today's refrigerators, they were always pretty chilly, even in the middle of a heatwave.

It would be great if today's homes were built with larders, but lack of space usually dictates otherwise. They're fantastic as an "extension fridge" for semi-perishables, which is exactly how we used ours. A lot of food items say on the packaging to store in a cool, dry place, yet don't really need to go into the refrigerator, and a larder is perfect for this.

I guess the experience was a bit of an eye opener for the participants, as it's a whole new world they'd never experienced before. No doubt they'd heard tales from their grandparents and in history lessons at school, but that's no substitute for throwing yourself into that lifestyle and seeing it through your own eyes. It would be nice if everyone had that opportunity, as it would be impossible not to learn something from it.

The comment about finding joy by doing more with less, despite the lack of mod-cons, is no doubt 100% spot on. Perhaps today's "time saving" culture makes us feel that we have to cram as much into each day as possible, just because we can. If something doesn't get done, we go to bed feeling like we have unfinished business, and that there aren't enough hours in the day.

*****Post# 23995-11/10/2002-04:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: 1962 Classic Miele
MESSAGE: Classic Miele on eBay, 1962. It looks very modern with the controls on the front. However the soapdispenser is on the top, I guess they didn't know how to make a soapdrawer right then. The heating element is 4000 Watts and runs on 380V, the rest of the machine is 220V. A real museum piece.

*****Post# 23996-11/10/2002-07:39 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: soap
MESSAGE: Here is something slightly off the subject but it will save $$$.Ultra Vista powdered detergent available at Sav A Lot
grocery stores is really good-comparable in performance to the
big brands.10 lb 11 oz box can be had for under $5-about 1/3
the cost of the name brands.Works great in my new Gibson front
loader.
Tom

*****Post# 23997-11/10/2002-09:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: wringer washer
MESSAGE: i like the wringer washer in the movie driving miss daisy in the back ground when she is going into the pantry. how are all you guys in appliance land well i hope. jgp57

This is from the 1941 Introduction of this model dubbed the "Laundrimatic"

*PROVED BY 36,000,000 WORKLESS WASHINGS
The story of the Bendix Home laundry does not rest on faith in mere claims. Back of each statement stands the unshakable evidence of 36,000,000 workless washingins in the homes of 175,000 Bendix owners. This figure is the conservative total number of actual home washings (exclusive of laboratory tests) based on the average number of washings per week and the number of Bendix Home Laundrys in actual use week by week.