The combined win totals for the New York Knicks and Phoenix Suns is 27, a number that would leave them three games out of the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference and three games behind LeBron James and the 10th place Los Angeles Lakers out West.

The Knicks and Suns can’t lose enough. Which, quite honestly, seems to be their mission.

The race to the very bottom of the NBA standings could be decided on Wednesday in Phoenix, a city which last hosted a postseason game in 2010. The Knicks’ streak of futility is rather modest by comparison. Their last playoff game was in 2013, when Carmelo Anthony was an MVP candidate, Kristaps Porzingis was playing in Spain and Phil Jackson had yet to meet James Dolan at a Christmas Party.

Half a decade later and the Knicks (13-51) are still trying to climb out of the abyss with the Suns (14-51) providing an example of how rebuilding through the NBA Draft isn’t always a recipe for success.