“So the question, specifically, my black son—O.K. I know you’re scared to say ‘black.’ I know you’re scared to say ‘reparations,'” Perry said. “But it seems like every time we try to talk about black people and us getting something for the systematic oppression and the exploitation of our people, we have to include every other person of color, so today can we please talk about, specifically, black people and reparations?”

Sanders replied: “What I just indicated in my view is that when you have—and you and I may have disagreements about this, because it’s not just black. It is Latino. There are areas of America, in poor rural areas, where it’s white.”

“So I believe that in a country which has more income and wealth inequality than any other country, then yeah, the time is long overdue to start investing in poor [communities],” he added.

Someone in the audience shouted, “say black!”

“I’ve said ‘black’ 50 times. All right, that’s the 51st time, but this is a national issue,” Sanders said. “What we want, and what I believe we should do is invest most heavily in those communities most in need.”

Sanders, had previously been asked how he would prevent “man-made health hazards” such as food deserts and lead-poisoning. The candidate addressed those problems, saying they exist in poor communities that are predominantly African-American or Latino, “but not always—sometimes they’re white as well.”