I don't...but what happened was at the Midwest Amatuer Championships, the group in front of us lost their drive it was on the right side and Joe (Hesting) figured the group had it already....well they didn't.... I can't remember if it was Kevin, Elliot, or who lost the disc, but I bet Joe remembers, we got up a few groups later and he was looking for it. Couldn't believe that it just had vanished like that. So I was trying to point in the proper direction, it isn't mine, but I know us old geezers like our plastic, and when we lose it, we get mad, and offer nice rewards for their safe return.