Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Its not Black Bolt, its Black Atom in OP (lol, i think he means Black Adam).

Also make a case why you think Darkseid stomps, as far as i am concerned Black Adam can take Darkseid all on his own. Raven could use soul self, although i am not convinced she can do anything noteworthy to Darkseid.

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

Black Adam has a chance to solo this. With Raven's not-insubstantial assistance I do believe this team has this in the bag. Team 8/10.

If Superman can do it, why shouldn't Black Adam. I agree ^_^

Darkseid stomps, that was in an era when he was a Superman villain and Black Bolt's stats don't touch Superman's Raven's mostly useless here.

Black Bolt?

My mistake mind was on another thread, Black Adam would put up a much better fight than Black Bolt but given Darkseid's knowledge on the arcane and his high showings against magic characters as well as manipulation of them he should take this. By the rules we should be using new 52 but then that's even more of a stomp.

What can Raven do to Darkseid? Black Atoms pretty tough but I will go with Darkseid

During the epilogue of Our Worlds at War, Wonder Woman explained to Darkseid that Raven had 'infected' him with a piece of Wonder Woman's soul and he hadn't noticed before she told him.

It's had absolutely no effect apart from making him go noooooooo then and there and it's pretty much been completely forgotten straight after it happened with no mention from either character, she may as well have lended him her hair dryer for all the good it's done.

@Dextersinister: The feat lies in that she could get it in there without him noticing.

Get in where his head? The feat never accomplished anything and she has done nothing to him. The feat was also done when he was allowing there faith to empower him so it was slipped in when he was allowing access.

@Alyssabird:It's really inconsistent what powers Darkseid has and how good they are. In the Great Darkness Saga he did mindcontrol something like 6 billion Daxamites, but in Superman/Batman he had to use Black Kryptonite to control Supergirl and in Final Crisis it was because of the Anti-Life equation he could control half of Earth's population. Same with his durability and reaction times, sometimes he super tough and sometimes he throws in the towel after Superman boxes him and gets blood in his eyes.

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said it, not me. And yes, if we aren't using ABC logic, Adam IS special.

And how many times has DS gotten his @ss handed to him by Superman & Orion?

Ok, so basically I proved that Darkseid can BFR and you cannot prove that Black Adam cannot be affected by the Omega beams BFR, you're saying he can't simply because .... no reason, just cus....you lost the right to continue that argument. Darkseid wins.

When the writer decided to let it happen, like how the writer let Black Adam get blitzed by Jay Garrick....

@Ancient_0f_Days: You said it, not me. And yes, if we aren't using ABC logic, Adam IS special.

And how many times has DS gotten his @ss handed to him by Superman & Orion?

He is actually listed under the trope for both villain decay and forgotten power syndrome. It even makes mention that he could simply teleport Superman into a red sun instead of trying the blast option but villains will sometime's forgo making a simple but effective use of there powers for the sake of plot.

Your whole argument is Superman when Adam isn't Superman at all .... maybe in the next Superman vs Darkseid thread you can bring up all the Superman you want...but Darkseid isn't being written to lose here due to the writer failing to understand what his powers and limitations are for the sake of the plot. Darkseid will act as he does normally and naturally, just bfr black adam and raven .... but it seems to me that you are only bringing up superman like hes in this thread because you don't know how to properly debate for black adam.

Try not to bring up characters that aren't in this thread and use them to say another character wins....that is the definition of ABC logic

@Ancient_0f_Days: And as far as I am aware, he needs his motherbox to actually do that.

As far as im aware, its standard equipment for him, and his omega beams have made boomtubes of their own in the past

Like when his beams once teleported Highfather Izaya out of a dimension that Izaya trapped himself in because he didn't want to witness the horrible things that were happening to the universe at the time.