I would obviously disagree for the reason(s) mentioned in my previous post. Without some evidence to the contrary I can find little reason to shed the founders wisdom and design. It seems to me that in almost every instance that tangents taken from that design have resulted in most of the problems we suffer from. Some of those tangents are the Federal Reserve, a supreme judiciary, the right of sucession, and so on.

Y'all have a nice day.

Then we agree to disagree.

Personally I believe that every US citizens vote should count towards the US election on a national scale, not simply a state scale.

Personally I believe that every US citizens vote should count towards the US election on a national scale, not simply a state scale.

Your vote does count on a national scale just not in a direct sense which was the intent. It is unlikely that your opinion can be swayed but you can see that some states are trying to find ways to accomdate your postion. I just see more trouble from such a system rather than a benefit.

Your vote does count on a national scale just not in a direct sense which was the intent. It is unlikely that your opinion can be swayed but you can see that some states are trying to find ways to accomdate your postion. I just see more trouble from such a system rather than a benefit.

Be well....

Y'all have a nice day.

Yeah, in the way that all GOP votes count in Mass on a national scale - all GOP votes go in the trash after the Mass votes are tallied.

But, I guess, that is way more dangerous than having them go in to a massive national pool of votes.... :/

And I say that the popular vote is the way to go - and I'm guessing that the millions of people who do not live in "swing states" and are in the minority agree.

I'm not sure if the popular vote is the way to go. We generally have population divided into 2 groups - urban and rural. Generally speaking, urban politics dominate the political process, and rural areas have little say. That's why I suggested vote count decided by the number of counties.

Why should urban liberals determine the future for the rest of us?

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It's time to scrap democracy. For thousands of years we had kings, and the white race reigned supreme. 300 years of Democracy, and we're headed toward extinction, and have embraced mass insanity. People aren't smart enough to govern themselves, and this election proves it once and for all.

I'm not sure if the popular vote is the way to go. We generally have population divided into 2 groups - urban and rural. Generally speaking, urban politics dominate the political process, and rural areas have little say. That's why I suggested vote count decided by the number of counties.

Why should urban liberals determine the future for the rest of us?

I'm just interested in having everyones vote count.

Why should Bush lose the popular vote and be elected, then after 4 years win the popular vote?

To say that there is some danger in not allowing a popular vote does not make sense to me. I mean what is all the hand wringing about letting minority voters a voice when places like California have 55 electoral votes and places like Montana have 3?

How is that different than saying that states with swing populations will control elections?

State governments will protect their turf, their area of authority. Their area of authority is the land withing their State boundaries. They will jealously guard against any encroachments. Therefore, if the State governments appoint their Electors, as well as their U.S. Senators, we are more assured of obtaining a States'-rights President. All this helps to assure a preservation of States' rights, local government, and self-government.

Too much importance is being placed on the Presidential election. Remove his power and he is not so important.

State governments will protect their turf, their area of authority. Their area of authority is the land withing their State boundaries. They will jealously guard against any encroachments. Therefore, if the State governments appoint their Electors, as well as their U.S. Senators, we are more assured of obtaining a States'-rights President. All this helps to assure a preservation of States' rights, local government, and self-government.

Too much importance is being placed on the Presidential election. Remove his power and he is not so important.

Indeed. USA should be seen as a country with 50 different republics.

If you read the presidential duties in the US Constitution, you'll realize that the President is just an administrator of the laws passed by Congress.

State governments will protect their turf, their area of authority. Their area of authority is the land withing their State boundaries. They will jealously guard against any encroachments. Therefore, if the State governments appoint their Electors, as well as their U.S. Senators, we are more assured of obtaining a States'-rights President. All this helps to assure a preservation of States' rights, local government, and self-government.

Too much importance is being placed on the Presidential election. Remove his power and he is not so important.

It's nice to dream. All I see the federal government doing is superseding state laws.

If the electoral vote is going to stand then the federal government needs to stay out of state affairs - but the obvious truth is that the federal government is not going to stay out of state affairs so the time for states to restrict their own populations from having a voice in the national election has come to an end.

To go around promoting the electoral vote in the naive belief that the federal government respects state laws is just ridiculous.