tjsands1118:HotWingConspiracy: So can we at least agree that some level of mandatory training should be required for people that wish to own guns?

I think hunter's safety should be mandatory for all junior high students. I'm from Montana, so pretty much everyone takes it then anyhow. But yeah rule #1 always treat a gun like it's loaded, #2 never point the barrel at anything you don't want to shoot.

Hector Remarkable:Absolutely classic.There must be an entire section of Hell populated exclusively by guys who did this.

That is kind of a funny concept to imagine:I picture a segregated hell with general groups and sub groups. So anyone with a fatal gun shot to the head is the main group, broken down into accidental, suicide, murdered, and Mexicans at 12:01am New Year's Day. They could all gather around the lava pit and listen to Kurt Cobain play guitar and gurgle.

Confusean:Hector Remarkable: Absolutely classic.There must be an entire section of Hell populated exclusively by guys who did this.

That is kind of a funny concept to imagine:I picture a segregated hell with general groups and sub groups. So anyone with a fatal gun shot to the head is the main group, broken down into accidental, suicide, murdered, and Mexicans at 12:01am New Year's Day. They could all gather around the lava pit and listen to Kurt Cobain play guitar and gurgle.

Does Jon-Erik Hexum get his own special place? What about Brandon Lee?

damndirtyape:Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

TheMysteriousStranger:damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally7 criminal uses.11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?

Whose DGU number are you using, because the Federal Government says it happens about 1.5 million times a year... Meaning that for your numbers to be true roughly 6 million people are accidentally shot every year.

chrylis:TheMysteriousStranger: damndirtyape: Pincy: I think we should encourage all gun nuts to prove just how safe their guns are.

I do, every day for the last 20+ years. Never shot anyone including myself nor ever had a negligent discharge.

Yeah, and for every person who handles it safely, there is an idiot. Do you really want some of the drivers you've seen on the road with guns. Or maybe you never had people drive towards you going the wrong way on a one-way road.

But then again, you might have just been lucky. The dead man thought he was safe. And most idiots with guns don't die by them or kill someone with them. So saying that you are not dead is not very meaningful.

But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally7 criminal uses.11 suicide attempts.

Chuck Darwin is winning big time.

There are 8-10 million accidental gun injuries annually in the United States?

Debatable statistics.For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them./Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target./You can't child proof the world for people like that.

Flakeloaf:Cythraul: It's ridiculous just how often this scenario happens. I read in an article only a couple of years ago how a guy shot himself in the head while showing his girlfriend how safe the weapon was.

To be that stupid. If someone I loved died this way, I'd go to their funeral in mourning and in anger. I'd be saddened by the loss, but very angry at them for being so farking stupid.

way south:TheMysteriousStranger: But the simple reality remains that...

...for every time someone uses a gun for self-defense:

4 get shot accidentally7 criminal uses.11 suicide attempts.

Debatable statistics.For every self defense shooting there are many more incidents were the suspect got spooked by the threat of force. Leaving very little paperwork.Most people aren't stupid enough to check if a gun is loaded by looking down the barrel.

...Most people.

/There are only four big rules to safe gun use and this guy broke all of them./Treat gun as loaded, keep finger off trigger, never point at things you don't want to destroy, be aware of what's behind the target./You can't child proof the world for people like that.

Are there any stats for accidental discharges that luckily don't hurt anyone? Or gun crimes prevented because a gun wasn't available as easily as it could've been? Or shootings that happened because someone else had a gun, and the only reason someone shot was to avoid being shot first?

Because if we're going to look at unquantifiable, hypothetical, made up, "debatable" statistics using empirical data like "many more", and consider them proof of something...

lordjupiter:Carn: Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.

We should issue cars to our military members then.

Have Obama take away all the military's guns and replace them with knives and hammers. Watch millions of right wing heads explode simultaneously.

It worked in the Middle Ages! The idea that some people have that we require guns in order to kill one another is absurd. Mass murders using knives, swords, vehicles, fire, hammers, and...anything BUT firearms happen with alarming frequency. But I do agree with the person who said that if you own a gun, training should be mandatory. That's not infringing on anyone's rights, that's common farking sense.

But really, I would totally love to see the military using swords, staves, and daggers. In full medieval armor. We thought we biatched about our gear when I was in! hahahaha

YakiManiac:ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL./ done

Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man

I hear all about the folks "B-b-b-b-bb-ut I checked it and it's unloaded"crowd. It's called "barrel discipline" (similar to trigger discipline) and it's a good habit to install as to *AVOID* accidents. Because accidental discharges *DO* happen and I'm not just talking about YOUR MOM.

ChipNASA:YakiManiac: ChipNASA: OMG....let's just go over this one.more.time.... Learned it in Basic Training......

DO NOT EVER POINT A WEAPON, LOADED OR UNLOADED (cause you never know) AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL./ done

Learned it at gun safety course when I was 13 years old - before I could receive my first gun from my gramps for my B-day - he took me himself every week - I sure do miss that old man

I hear all about the folks "B-b-b-b-bb-ut I checked it and it's unloaded"crowd. It's called "barrel discipline" (similar to trigger discipline) and it's a good habit to install as to *AVOID* accidents. Because accidental discharges *DO* happen and I'm not just talking about YOUR MOM.

Aigoo:lordjupiter: Carn: Pick: More people die by the blade, than by the bullet. And cars.

We should issue cars to our military members then.

Have Obama take away all the military's guns and replace them with knives and hammers. Watch millions of right wing heads explode simultaneously.

It worked in the Middle Ages! The idea that some people have that we require guns in order to kill one another is absurd. Mass murders using knives, swords, vehicles, fire, hammers, and...anything BUT firearms happen with alarming frequency. But I do agree with the person who said that if you own a gun, training should be mandatory. That's not infringing on anyone's rights, that's common farking sense.

But really, I would totally love to see the military using swords, staves, and daggers. In full medieval armor. We thought we biatched about our gear when I was in! hahahaha

Yes, the idea that we require guns in order to kill is absurd. It's also a made up strawman and no one actually believes it.