Perhaps someone on this thread can supply me with at least a less opprobrious if not wholly genteel expression to describe the process by which a normal, middle-class white youth is transformed into what is commonly referred to as a "whigger?"

What we're missing,here, Grand-Inquisitor,are the consequences of the demeaning of White Heritage. The operative word here, is "Heritage." It is through a living relationship with one's past (Heritage), that one has the means by which to realize one's place within the "present" of that Heritage, and, to enable a constructive imagining of the future of that "Heritage."

It is the duty of the school systems and, more importantly, the parents (thanks, Adolar!) to supply the means whereby White Youth will be empowered to absorb and respond to the "fullness" of White "European" Heritage.

White Youth are being deliberately "dumbed down" (White Heritage and Race History demonized) while being fed a continuous diet of World Village communality --- "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" --- and " world culture equality": everculture is as valid and imporant as any other culture...ok, folks, let's all pick up our stones, knock them togther, and boogey round the old tribal fire in our zebra skins and monkey fur, bones securely fixed through our nostrils, after which the village witch doctor will sing us the number one hit on the village charts: "Yougoola, Boogala, Woogala"). Now we know that Beethoven (some out-of-it, deaf White kraut) stole all his ideas from the tribes of Lower Monkey Butt, Africa. So what's to worry? One rock "song" is as good as the Beethoven 9th Symphony. So, while "listening to Classical music is 'nice,'" this rock song is simply a far more pragmatic alternative for our dumbed down, and getting dumber by the day, White Youth.

But, what the hey, I'll be pragmatic and buy that argument. At the same time I won't mind the stink or the scratching of White America at the dinner table. After all, "White Bread" Johnny learned about his skin color while rolling around on the floor with Satchmo Brown's sistah and her pet monkey.

So let's buy all of it: the denigration of the White Race and it's Heritage. Let's not even consider making an effort to "raise" the sights of White Youth from the near gutter level at which the entertainment industry (especially the "music" industry)has programmed for it. And, most of all, let's not be concerned when, at the White American dinner table, 100 years from now...one cannot distinguish between the farmers and the pigs.

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Our folk music is as European as Classical music. Mr. Strom mentioned that Dresden's new album blends European folk sounds with the harder edge of rock. Dresden's new album is beautiful. Go to www.kevin-strom.com to listen.

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Wir Kommen: The operative word here, is "Heritage." It is through a living relationship with one's past (Heritage), that one has the means by which to realize one's place within the "present" of that Heritage, and, to enable a constructive imagining of the future of that "Heritage."

No one in his/her right mind will question the marvels of folk music, Balder.

Hell, Classical composers have, from the beginning, employed, outright, folk melodies and rhythmic ideas. Some "Classical" compositions are "Variations on the theme:........." etc.

Cataloging the "folk elements" in Classical music would intimidate Hercules! It would prove absolutely impossible!

I, a man who has spent my entire German White life in Classical music performance, own a huge collection of music. There are four shelves devoted entirely to folk music (including Japanese and other Asian cultures).

No, Balder, I agree with you heartily.

Once again, "No one in g his/her right mind will question the marvels of folk music."

Just so you do not think me too hopeless an old fuddy duddy, permit me to share that I also have a shelf of "rock" music which includes such diverse groups as The Doors, Iron Butterfly, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Styx, Clash, Talking Heads.....

Now it well may be that none of these groups appeal to you. They are, perhaps, a bit out of date. But the out-of-dateness of these groups is a small part of the proof of my point: the "pop" genre is transitory: nothing lasts. But Bach and Beethoven "keep on truckin'."

Now perhaps I can be forthcoming with suggestions for you.
I would appreciate your informing me of how much information and listening experience you have had with "Classical" composers of the 20th century: Shostakovitch? Prokofieff? Strawinskii? The Second Vienna School? Ligeti? Villa Lobos? Chavez? Pendereckii? Copeland? Vaughn Williams (4th Symphony)? Resphigi? Walton? Bartok? Kodaly?

The list (as well as the beat) goes on.....

If interested, please let me know what you like in "heavy metal" and "goth." I will try to link you into "modern" Classical by way of similarities.

May I also suggest the Progressive Jazz genre: Stan Kenton.....the inovator. I would begin with the "City of Glass" album and then move on to, perhaps, "Cuban Fire."

You might also send me some references to bands you like. (Start me offf easy though...you're dealing with what my youngest son refers to rather often as "that recalcitrant old prick.")

It's funny that the idea of a beat or rythym was mentioned in regard to staying away from the "jewish" or "negro" rock music. All music regardless of form contains these elements for it is the foundation. Without it you just have chaotic noise. That's why I listen to metal and rock that is written by white's because the rythym is of a higher level than that of the negro, and it just gets better and better from there. I mean Classical music uses drums and slow beats on such instruments like kettle drums which could very well be likened to that of a jungle drum procession in some instances, so I find this arguement a little hypocritical.

My favorite classical music would have to be from Beethoven and Wagner. Beethoven is very upbeat and joyful. He can also be quite intense. His ninth symphony (Ode to Joy) is my favorite. Of course the fifth symphony is great too.

Wagner was a German nationalist and a great composer. My favorite music from his compositions include: O Fortuna (Excalibur theme), Ride of the Valkyries, and Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla.

While I do enjoy WP music and other forms of rock music, classical music is still my favorite genre of music. I am a white youth, and trust me, not all of white children have lost touch with their heritage. Although I would agree that we need a classical music and white heritage revival.