[QUOTE=KageKaze]Your an idiot. If you know anything, you know ther are plenty of legit Ninpo Schools around. [QUOTE]

NOT THERE IS NOT!!!

FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME NINJUTSU IS NOT A FIGHTING ART! AND THE XKANS DO NOT TEACH NINJUTSU. THEY TEACH PRIMARILY KOTO RYU, GYOKKO RYU, KUKISHINDEN RYU, OR HONTAI YOSHIN RYU THESE ARE NOT NINJUTSU SCHOOLS!!!! VERY LITTLE NINJUTSU, IF ANY, IS TAUGHT.

well USUALLY kempo usues pressure point and kenpo doesnt. Kempo is okinawan and Kempo is american, and MOST obvious, one has an N and one has a M. And from past experiences Kempo is more hardcore then Kenpo. but hey, i only know what I know and only seen when I seen

PSST KEMPO AND KENPO ARE THE SAME THING!!!

The only difference is if they change the kanji for fist to the one for blade/sword then you have a totally different art.

Togakure ryu is ninjutsu. You could even call it kukishin ryu ninjutsu. But it is taught in all 3 kan's, it's ninjutsu, there's fighting techniques in it, end of story. Cool.

Also pretty much any time you're learning a kamayari, kyoketsushoge, senban (not teppan) technique you're learning ninjutsu. Kamayari are generally thought to be from kumogakure ryu ninjutsu.

As for the stupid N / M debate. There is no M in the Japanese language. Only N. If there's a hard consonant (sp?) like P or B after the letter N in a Japanese word, it's usually pronounced like M but the spelling remains the same. I.E. Nanpa = Nampa, Semban, etc.. There are many exceptions such as chinko, manko, etc... Don't repeat those words outside of this forum please.

Asia's right about the kanji thing. One kanji means sword, the other means fist.

P.s. bujinkan pretty much is **** for the most part. There's some good teachers that could whoop almost anyone's ass but they are the exception not the rule. Genbukan and Jinenkan are way more reliable if you want to learn ninpo. You'll actually learn to defend yourself there.

Togakure ryu is ninjutsu. You could even call it kukishin ryu ninjutsu. But it is taught in all 3 kan's, it's ninjutsu, there's fighting techniques in it, end of story. Cool.

Togakure ryu Ninjutsu the school with the least support on its authenticity.

kukishin ryu IS NOT NINJUTSU. If you called it that then you would be a WRONG!

The three schools that claim to be ninjutsu in the Bujinkan are:

Togakure Ryu which I spoke on.

Kumogakure Ryu which even Hatsumi admits he hasn't taught anyone.

Gyokushin Ryu which is only listed as Ninjutsu in the Bujinkan. This school name shows up at least 5 times in the Bugie Ryuha Daijiten and it is not listed as ninjutsu in any sense.

As for the stupid N / M debate. There is no M in the Japanese language. Only N. If there's a hard consonant (sp?) like P or B after the letter N in a Japanese word, it's usually pronounced like M but the spelling remains the same. I.E. Nanpa = Nampa, Semban, etc.. There are many exceptions such as chinko, manko, etc... Don't repeat those words outside of this forum please

Correction there is no N in the Japanese language either. What you idiots are arguing over deals with what system of romanization you are using. Dakara Kenpo ka Kempo dochira demo ii desu.