According to those fancy stat guys, Engelland and Bortuzzo face the easiest competition on the team and Engelland starts his shift in the offensive zone more than any other defender except for Despres (by a marginal percentage). So, according to whatever it is they calculate, Engelland has just about the easiest go of it on the team...

Eaton sucks these days. This seems like a desperation move when none was needed. RS royally screwed up with his mismanagement of the D recently and maybe he can redeem himself with a trade or two at the deadline, but Eaton isn't a NHL-caliber these days by any measure.

I'd like to see Bortuzzo in the lineup more but that's just me. Maybe they plan on demoting Despres as others have said, or potentially this is veteran depth for a future trade. We'll see. You can't have too much d these days....

As much as you could see this happening, Eaton was bad on the Island last season. However, HCDB is a veterans coach. Just get the feeling they are not real confident in the play of Despres. It would not surprise me if he is being shopped to get a top 6. I for one would not be confident with a back line of Eaton and Engelland.

saints11 wrote:As much as you could see this happening, Eaton was bad on the Island last season. However, HCDB is a veterans coach. Just get the feeling they are not real confident in the play of Despres. It would not surprise me if he is being shopped to get a top 6. I for one would not be confident with a back line of Eaton and Engelland.

saints11 wrote:As much as you could see this happening, Eaton was bad on the Island last season. However, HCDB is a veterans coach. Just get the feeling they are not real confident in the play of Despres. It would not surprise me if he is being shopped to get a top 6. I for one would not be confident with a back line of Eaton and Engelland.

I meant he was caught out of position and has slowed down. Should say something when they let him go and claimed Strait on waivers. Totally feel we get more out of Despres, Borts, and Reese. But not our call, just feel that he will be taking ice from youngsters who need that time. We have all these young d-men who will step aside so Eaton can play? Just don't feel that we are maximizing our assets.

saints11 wrote:I meant he was caught out of position and has slowed down. Should say something when they let him go and claimed Strait on waivers. Totally feel we get more out of Despres, Borts, and Reese. But not our call, just feel that he will be taking ice from youngsters who need that time. We have all these young d-men who will step aside so Eaton can play? Just don't feel that we are maximizing our assets.

All I can say is WTF RS and HCB!? We have Letang,Despres,Orpik,Martin,Niskanen,Bortuzzo,Engelland,Reese all capable of NHL time. Okey,if he stays in AHL,but if Despres and Bortuzzo loses roster spot,because of him,this is a joke.Engelland could be gone at deadline,but at least he can play physical hockey,Eaton is slow and soft,but positionaly better.

saints11 wrote:As much as you could see this happening, Eaton was bad on the Island last season. However, HCDB is a veterans coach. Just get the feeling they are not real confident in the play of Despres. It would not surprise me if he is being shopped to get a top 6. I for one would not be confident with a back line of Eaton and Engelland.

I kinda just feel you want a older vet in the bench position. You wouldn't promote a young guy to ride the bench in the NHL. I am sure Reese can play as well as Eaton but you are doing Reese no good by not allowing him to pick up minutes in the minors over just riding the bench up here. Eaton or any other vet would know their roll, good pick up RS.

Yeah, people are insane...the signing just happened and no games have been played yet...settle down those people claiming failure!

1 - RS could have a possible trade where we need the depth signing for afterwards. What if he gets the always desired on LGP Iginla or Perry for Engelland and now we need a guy to sit in the box? Haha!

2 - just because he is signed does not mean he is BETTER then one of our yound D men...maybe it just means they want to get a young D man more ice time in WBS to work on a few things before they bring him back for the end of the year/playoffs. Wouldn't hurt much, would it?

3 - what if he never sees ice time unless a D is injured (minus the occassional game to stay in shape)? That hurts nothing really. Maybe good to have a young D sit and watch the occassional game too if the coach has a few things he should work on.

4 - What if someone is fighitng an injury now and could use a rest?

5 - What if Eaton only sucked because he loved the Pens so much and he will be a Norris candidate now? (haha ok maybe you can ignore this one)

6 - What if he just signed to retire a pen and RS is just trolling LGP with the move? (that would hilarious if Eaton retires and RS is all "haha, got you LGP.com!)

The point is...nothing has happened yet so let's wait and see why the signing took place...then we can argue about it.

1. Pens go into the season knowing they have a major hole on the wing in their top 6. 2. Pens try everything to get that top 6 glued together to start season; nothing works. 3. Boychuk claimed. Put on 2nd line wing spot. 4. Lovejoy traded; Bortuzzo recalled. Despres/Bortuzzo exchange time. 5. Boychuk doesn't work; scratched. Bennett recalled. 6. Mark Eaton signed to an ATO; eventually joins team.

It seems to me like Bennett is the final option before a move to fill the need in the top 6 occurs. They're exhausting internal options. Eaton is a big part of this because if he can play, one of the young defensemen becomes expendable for a trade. And let's be frank here, losing one of them isn't an issue because the system is literally flooded with guys who are cutting their teeth at various levels.

Eaton sucks these days. This seems like a desperation move when none was needed. RS royally screwed up with his mismanagement of the D recently and maybe he can redeem himself with a trade or two at the deadline, but Eaton isn't a NHL-caliber these days by any measure.

I'm not sure how he "royally screwed up with his mismanagement of the D recently." In fact, I'd say he's done well -- not great, but well. Niskanen was a mess before Pittsburgh. He's worked out. Martin appeared to be a screw up, but has demonstrated to all why he was the second most sought-after defender on the market and why Shero signed him three summers ago. Letang is Letang. Orpik is Orpik. His only mistake would be Michalek, whose game just didn't mesh well with the Pittsburgh Penguins ice hockey mentality. Other than that, he's had strong depth at the minor league level to call up when needed and he's drafted extremely well at the position. Sure, he lost Strait for nothing, but that's far from concerning, as is the loss of Lovejoy for a draft pick.

Shero may not have run things the way you would like to have seen them run, but that doesn't constitute a royal screw up.

I don't believe Eaton was signed to facilitate a trade of any of our other defensman. I don't think he'll be taking much time from our young D either during the regular season.

I believe he was signed for the playoffs, in case of injuries. Obviously, we have some very inexperienced players on our blueline - if there are injuries to any of the vets, the blueline is going to get even younger. I think Shero would rather have a vet D there as an option, instead of calling up another player from WBS. (and I'm refering to the playoffs).

The Pens used 8 defenseman in 24 games on the way to the Cup in 2009, and 11 over the course of the season.

Depth wins championships.

The Islanders were 4th worst team in the league in goals against, and with the level of goaltending and team defense (is Capuano a good coach?) anyone looks bad. Eaton isn't a top pairing guy, but is nice depth in a system and surroundings that he's comfortable with already.

columbia wrote:At its worst, this is a completely neutral move.I don't understand the hand wringing.

i guess if you're someone who has become a "fan" of depres and/or bortuzzo, you would be disappointed to see their position on the team potentially compromised. it would also create a lack of faith in the decision making of the pens management, which is never fun.

i don't think it's worth freaking out about, but i get it if people don't like the move.

Digitalgypsy66 wrote:The Pens used 8 defenseman in 24 games on the way to the Cup in 2009, and 11 over the course of the season.

Depth wins championships.

The Islanders were 4th worst team in the league in goals against, and with the level of goaltending and team defense (is Capuano a good coach?) anyone looks bad. Eaton isn't a top pairing guy, but is nice depth in a system and surroundings that he's comfortable with already.

@ bolded: Meh, not really. There was some pretty inspired hockey when he first got there, but since then, it's basically just match Hamonic-MacDonald against good opponents then get the puck to Tavares and that's pretty much all they do...