Posted by: spartacus Apr 27 2016, 08:08 PM

Boris could be handed the keys to No 10? Then it WOULD start to get funny....

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 27 2016, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Apr 27 2016, 09:08 PM)

Boris could be handed the keys to No 10? Then it WOULD start to get funny....

I agree. Putin,Trump,Boris. Love to be a fly in the wall at a summit between those three....

Posted by: blackdog Apr 28 2016, 09:02 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 27 2016, 07:22 PM)

What's the worst that could happen?

WW3?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 28 2016, 11:38 AM

Why is every Republican contender totally insane?

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Apr 28 2016, 12:23 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 28 2016, 12:38 PM)

Why is every Republican contender totally insane?

As an American, it's a shame that "The Donald" is the focal point for many disenfranchised people. The Republican Part could not find one decent candidate to be their poster child for the Republican party.

Why do I say that? Simple, both Hilary and Bernie will beat him in the election..

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 28 2016, 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Apr 28 2016, 01:23 PM)

As an American, it's a shame that "The Donald" is the focal point for many disenfranchised people. The Republican Part could not find one decent candidate to be their poster child for the Republican party.

Why do I say that? Simple, both Hilary and Bernie will beat him in the election..

But why is that? Why not find some sensible clean cut, non yeehah gun toting extremist, bile spewing candidate? There must be a gazillion of them in the party! Why push the self destruct button? Again! I agree, Hilary, weak though she is politically will probably seal this one for the Democrats.

Posted by: Berkshirelad Apr 28 2016, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 27 2016, 09:41 PM)

I agree. Putin,Trump,Boris. Love to be a fly in the wall at a summit between those three....

I think that things would get done and decisions made though

Posted by: motormad Apr 28 2016, 01:26 PM

I really like Boris

Where as I think Trump is a bigot.His whole campaign is laughable.

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 28 2016, 02:47 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 27 2016, 09:41 PM)

I agree. Putin,Trump,Boris. Love to be a fly in the wall at a summit between those three....

"But Boris, Donald, at home Russia does hair!". Come my friends, help annexe France, for the greater good.

Posted by: blackdog Apr 28 2016, 07:52 PM

Trump isn't a Republican he's a Trumpist. Which is why the party leadership hates him and wants almost anyone to beat him. The main problem being that his closest challenger, Cruz, is another nutter they don't really want. They totally failed to push a single moderate Republican until it was far too late.

Trump will, of course, totally ignore the leadership (or what goes for party leadership in the States) and do his own thing - which is all about massaging his immense ego and growing his bank balance.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of senior Republicans advising folk to vote Clinton!

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 28 2016, 10:47 PM

Moderate Republican is an oxymoron.

Posted by: GMR Apr 29 2016, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 28 2016, 10:02 AM)

WW3?

I doubt it. When Tricky Dickie was President he wanted to bomb (that is nuclear bomb) Vietnam and he was stopped. There are many safeguards that will stop him doing anything extreme. Even Obama said that just because he is leader doesn't mean he can do what he wants. There are restrictions in place. Putin is the only leader who is a law to himself (that is within the equation that was mentioned).

Posted by: Blake May 1 2016, 09:13 AM

"Sought"?

Posted by: Turin Machine May 4 2016, 12:16 AM

And the boy Trump gains the nomination! And the crowd goes wild!! So, that's a win for the Democrats then

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 4 2016, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 4 2016, 01:16 AM)

And the boy Trump gains the nomination! And the crowd goes wild!! So, that's a win for the Democrats then

White House bound! Set your bricklayer business up on the Mexico border. We got a 300 Billion dollar wall to build. Yee ha!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 4 2016, 09:07 PM

Edit

Posted by: Turin Machine May 4 2016, 09:27 PM

Shame it wasn't the Alaskan honey! I'd go to her tea party any day.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 4 2016, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 4 2016, 10:27 PM)

Shame it wasn't the Alaskan honey! I'd go to her tea party any day.

So the 2 least popular Democratic and Republican nominees for President in history are set to duke it out...Sounds like a British election. I think Trump will win. He'll find a lot of "history" on Hilary...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 22 2016, 08:10 PM

Not long now till the Donald becomes leader of the free world.Must be 20 million yanks who are going to vote for him but won't say they are. Reminds me a bit of the Brexit vote.

Posted by: spartacus Sep 23 2016, 07:30 AM

Well it's either him or Hillary's replacement because if she gets elected she won't be in Office for long. The REAL people in power twitching her strings all this time will soon realise they've got to bring in a new puppet as they want to control her strings, but it's going to be increasingly the Parkinson's Disease that will be dictating her twitching..

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 23 2016, 09:04 AM

Such is America politics, I don't really care who wins; American democracy works differently to ours.

Posted by: JeffG Sep 23 2016, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 23 2016, 10:04 AM)

Such is America politics, I don't really care who wins; American democracy works differently to ours.

So you believe that whoever gets to be president has zero effect on the rest of the world? Personally, I am mightily worried about what could happen if Trump wins.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 23 2016, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 23 2016, 10:34 AM)

So you believe that whoever gets to be president has zero effect on the rest of the world? Personally, I am mightily worried about what could happen if Trump wins.

You have grossly exaggerated what I posted. Their democracy means the president has a more challenging time with legislation.

Posted by: JeffG Sep 23 2016, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 23 2016, 12:36 PM)

You have grossly exaggerated what I posted. Their democracy means the president has a more challenging time with legislation.

Well, I suppose if you go down that route, then there is not much point in having a president in the first place. How about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_President_of_the_United_States? The president can veto any legislation.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 9 2016, 03:59 PM

Tonight's presidential debate should be a corker. 2am on the News Channel, for those who want to record it.

(And an update on my previous post - I have since found out that congress can overturn the presidential veto. That hardly makes it a veto, then, does it?)

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 9 2016, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 9 2016, 04:59 PM)

Tonight's presidential debate should be a corker. 2am on the News Channel, for those who want to record it.

(And an update on my previous post - I have since found out that congress can overturn the presidential veto. That hardly makes it a veto, then, does it?)

Indeed any president can be a lame duck. See Obamacare. Whats so wrong about the us elections is that you have to be a billionaire to run... Which gives you a pool of less than 500 people... And then you end up with Clinton v Trump. If "none of the above" was bottom on the ballot I expect it would win!

Posted by: spartacus Oct 9 2016, 08:06 PM

Indeed... a pity Richard Pryor has snuffed it otherwise he would be great on the chat show circuit re-enacting his Brewster's Millions role. If ever there was a time when the 'None of the Above Party' would be guaranteed a shoe-in it's now...

Posted by: newres Oct 9 2016, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 9 2016, 09:06 PM)

Indeed... a pity Richard Pryor has snuffed it otherwise he would be great on the chat show circuit re-enacting his Brewster's Millions role. If ever there was a time when the 'None of the Above Party' would be guaranteed a shoe-in it's now...

There is a third candidate if people don't want Clinton or Trump.

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

Posted by: On the edge Oct 9 2016, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Oct 9 2016, 09:06 PM)

Indeed... a pity Richard Pryor has snuffed it otherwise he would be great on the chat show circuit re-enacting his Brewster's Millions role. If ever there was a time when the 'None of the Above Party' would be guaranteed a shoe-in it's now...

Yep! Isn't it a shame we don't hear so much about the brain drain these days, after all we have some top notch political leaders who could be looking for gainful employment, Tony Blair for starters.

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 20 2016, 09:47 PM

I have to say that the train wreck that is currently masquerading as the USA presidential election is at once hilarious yet at the same time very deeply disturbing. Two more odious people simply don't exist and to think one of them will be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is, quite frankly rather worrying.

If I was an American I would go hide in shame!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 20 2016, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 20 2016, 10:47 PM)

I have to say that the train wreck that is currently masquerading as the USA presidential election is at once hilarious yet at the same time very deeply disturbing. Two more odious people simply don't exist and to think one of them will be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is, quite frankly rather worrying.

If I was an American I would go hide in shame!

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN12I20S

About somes it up!!!

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 21 2016, 04:46 AM

Maybe it's time to take away the democratic vote from the bumbling Americans and install a dictatorship in it's place!Seems to work elsewhere!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2016, 10:38 PM

Posted by: newres Nov 3 2016, 06:59 AM

Maybe it's time to take away the democratic vote from the bumbling Americans and install a dictatorship in it's place!Seems to work elsewhere!

Following Brexit I think it should happen here too. Is it a coincidence that the most vociferous Brexiteers support Trump?

Posted by: JeffG Nov 3 2016, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 3 2016, 06:59 AM)

Following Brexit I think it should happen here too. Is it a coincidence that the most vociferous Brexiteers support Trump?

Do they? Who in particular? I didn't think there was anyone outside the US and Russia that supported Trump.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 3 2016, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 3 2016, 09:55 AM)

Do they? Who in particular? I didn't think there was anyone outside the US and Russia that supported Trump.

Nigel Farage is the obvious one - appearing with Trump at one of his rallies - but I haven't noticed any Trump promostion from Gove, Johnson, Davies, etc.

Posted by: newres Nov 3 2016, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 3 2016, 12:49 PM)

Nigel Farage is the obvious one - appearing with Trump at one of his rallies - but I haven't noticed any Trump promostion from Gove, Johnson, Davies, etc.

You wouldn't expect members of the government to declare an allegiance. I was thinking more those on here, Facebok, the streets.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 3 2016, 02:19 PM

Yes I forgot Farage, but he is a bit of a maverick anyway. I've not heard of, or come across, anyone else, who doesn't treat Trump with derision.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 7 2016, 10:09 AM

I think we can all agree that dear Donald has as much chance of changing his address to Pennsylvania avenue as does a chocolate egg! Question is, will the world be safer? Or will the email Queen drop us all in it?

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 7 2016, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 7 2016, 10:09 AM)

I think we can all agree that dear Donald has as much chance of changing his address to Pennsylvania avenue as does a chocolate egg! Question is, will the world be safer? Or will the email Queen drop us all in it?

A similar thing was thought the night before the Brexit vote

Posted by: JeffG Nov 7 2016, 01:58 PM

If Trump wins, you can kiss goodbye to the planet. But maybe pulling out of the Paris agreement won't be quite as easy as he makes out.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 7 2016, 07:37 PM

He's toast.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 7 2016, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 7 2016, 07:37 PM)

He's toast.

I was taught never to tempt fate. But we're not superstitious, are we. Are we?

Posted by: newres Nov 7 2016, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Nov 7 2016, 11:04 AM)

A similar thing was thought the night before the Brexit vote

My gut feeling was that remain would lose. There was so much anger and hatred.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 7 2016, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 7 2016, 10:20 PM)

My gut feeling was that remain would lose. There was so much anger and hatred.

Looks like the world wants a Trump presidency..

https://worldwide.vote/hillary-vs-trump/#/results/total

Posted by: newres Nov 8 2016, 05:00 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 7 2016, 10:25 PM)

Looks like the world wants a Trump presidency..

https://worldwide.vote/hillary-vs-trump/#/results/total

Very scientific.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 8 2016, 05:57 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 8 2016, 05:00 AM)

Very scientific.

And other polls are? LOL....

Posted by: newres Nov 8 2016, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 8 2016, 05:57 AM)

And other polls are? LOL....

Yes. They aren't always accurate but they are designed to be a good representation.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 8 2016, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 8 2016, 03:57 PM)

Yes. They aren't always accurate but they are designed to be a good representation.

Just like the GE and Brexit. I still think he will win . I may be wrong. The bookies think I am. And they are not poor.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 9 2016, 12:47 AM

And Clinton sweeps into power! I just thank God I'm not American!

Posted by: newres Nov 9 2016, 07:52 AM

I am hoping that because he is surrounded by advisors and level headed people things won't be as bad as they might be. What's of more concern is that we now have leading the free world a misogynistic nutcase and people voted for him *knowing* what he's like. Britain and America. The two stupidest nations on earth.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 9 2016, 08:15 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 9 2016, 07:52 AM)

I am hoping that because he is surrounded by advisors and level headed people things won't be as bad as they might be. What's of more concern is that we now have leading the free world a misogynistic nutcase and people voted for him *knowing* what he's like. Britain and America. The two stupidest nations on earth.

I think there's a few in front of us.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 9 2016, 08:59 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 9 2016, 01:47 AM)

And Clinton sweeps into power! I just thank God I'm not American!

Ow! Boy did I get that wrong!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 9 2016, 09:08 AM

Dispite Trumpy being a total **** the people still preferred that over another four years of the Democrats. Democracy, don't ya just love it?

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 9 2016, 09:32 AM

E mails Hillary, E mails.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 9 2016, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 9 2016, 09:32 AM)

E mails Hillary, E mails.

I blame the gerrymandering by the FBI. Something is rotten in the state of Washington DC.

Posted by: newres Nov 9 2016, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 9 2016, 10:31 AM)

I blame the gerrymandering by the FBI. Something is rotten in the state of Washington DC.

It certainly makes you wonder doesn't it? With the FBI prepared to interfere in an election, is it so far fetched that the CIA would assassinate a president?

Posted by: newres Nov 9 2016, 11:52 AM

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 9 2016, 04:29 PM

Still, who would have thought, Barbie now comes with her own White House.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 9 2016, 07:17 PM

This looks like part of a seismic shock wave in politics, not just in America but sweeping through Europe as well. It will be interesting to see what share of the vote Marine Le Pen gets at the next elections and whether Mrs Merkel will survive for much longer. A general sign that people are tired of the status quo and want a change away from the leftish policies so prevalent today and towards a more right of centre ground. Although it feels like living through history at the moment and only time will tell.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 9 2016, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 9 2016, 07:17 PM)

This looks like part of a seismic shock wave in politics, not just in America but sweeping through Europe as well. It will be interesting to see what share of the vote Marine Le Pen gets at the next elections and whether Mrs Merkel will survive for much longer. A general sign that people are tired of the status quo and want a change away from the leftish policies so prevalent today and towards a more right of centre ground. Although it feels like living through history at the moment and only time will tell.

Clinton has an awful voice. Like fingernails on a blackboard.Clinton mistakenly thought wheeling out Hollywoods great and good would inspire. It did. To vote for Trump.People dont like being told my millionaire luvvies how to vote.Clinton has deep flaws in her past about connnections to sexual misdemeanour and financial irregularities.

Trump is just a **** head. They chose the **** head. And I always thought they would.

Posted by: user23 Nov 9 2016, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 9 2016, 07:34 PM)

People dont like being told my millionaire luvvies how to vote.

Seems they do like being told how to vote by a billionaire TV star though.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 9 2016, 08:22 PM

I believe elections are lost, more than they are gained. Many were just fed up with the Democrats.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 9 2016, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 9 2016, 08:19 PM)

Seems they do like being told how to vote by a billionaire TV star though.

Alan Sugar..... He'd probably win if he ran for Labour.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 9 2016, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 9 2016, 08:22 PM)

I believe elections are lost, more than they are gained. Many were just fed up with the Democrats.

Wouldn't disagree with that, certainly not helped by Hilary Clinton who isn't particularly liked even in her own party. After Trumps acceptance speech; who knows, the future might be brighter than we anticipate.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 9 2016, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 9 2016, 10:17 PM)

Wouldn't disagree with that, certainly not helped by Hilary Clinton who isn't particularly liked even in her own party. After Trumps acceptance speech; who knows, the future might be brighter than we anticipate.

It usually is.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 9 2016, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 9 2016, 09:17 PM)

Wouldn't disagree with that, certainly not helped by Hilary Clinton who isn't particularly liked even in her own party. After Trumps acceptance speech; who knows, the future might be brighter than we anticipate.

And Farage has given him the heads up about Juncker and co. We may be at the front of the queue for trade deals now. That will upset remoaners..

https://mobile.twitter.com/JunckerEU/status/796277748935299072

Sorry chap. You are toast and so is your EU project. Another nail...

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 10 2016, 01:19 AM

Hillary, you had one job, just one! 🙅

Posted by: dannyboy Nov 10 2016, 10:05 AM

Clinton won the popular vote, so in fact more Americans wanted her than wanted Trump in the White House. It is a tiny majority, but it is a majority.

The problem lies in the antebellum American Electoral College voting system.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 10 2016, 10:34 AM

And look how many votes UKIP got at the last election, and how many seats did they get?

Posted by: JeffG Nov 10 2016, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 10 2016, 10:05 AM)

Clinton won the popular vote, so in fact more Americans wanted her than wanted Trump in the White House. It is a tiny majority, but it is a majority.

The problem lies in the antebellum American Electoral College voting system.

No more of a problem than our own first past the post system. Neither country has proportional voting.

I wonder if the Brexit result would have been different if it had been on a constituency basis rather than a plebiscite.

Posted by: spartacus Nov 10 2016, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 10 2016, 10:05 AM)

Clinton won the popular vote, so in fact more Americans wanted her than wanted Trump in the White House. It is a tiny majority, but it is a majority.

The problem lies in the antebellum American Electoral College voting system.

It means nothing as their girl didn't get in, but they'll use that sort of grasping at straws comment for the next four years. The Republicans would have been quite happy to use it if the result had gone the other way of course, but they all know the system and that's why they concentrate so heavily on bringing in the big numbers in California, Texas, Florida and New York.

The next Presidential Elections in France and Germany in 2017 may prove interesting if their recently expanding populations from the Religion of Peace continue to upset indigenous garlic eaters and knockwurst gobblers. Frexit? Gerexit?

In 2019 California will be voting to break away from the Union with their recently announced Calexit so who knows?http://www.yescalifornia.org

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 10 2016, 12:52 PM

I don't think Don will be half as entertaining as we thought, the anti Muslim rhetoric has already been taken down from his website.

Posted by: Cognosco Nov 10 2016, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 10 2016, 12:52 PM)

I don't think Don will be half as entertaining as we thought, the anti Muslim rhetoric has already been taken down from his website.

What you mean American politicians are the same as ours.........promise anything to get into power and then totally forget what they have promised as soon as the votes are counted!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 10 2016, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Cognosco @ Nov 10 2016, 03:01 PM)

What you mean American politicians are the same as ours.........promise anything to get into power and then totally forget what they have promised as soon as the votes are counted!

A bit like my missus!

Posted by: user23 Nov 10 2016, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 10 2016, 11:27 AM)

No more of a problem than our own first past the post system. Neither country has proportional voting.

I wonder if the Brexit result would have been different if it had been on a constituency basis rather than a plebiscite.

There's http://www.chuka.org.uk/all_party_parliamentary_group_for_proportional_representation looking at at the at the moment.

Doesn't seem to be getting much media coverage though.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 10 2016, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 10 2016, 05:54 PM)

There's http://www.chuka.org.uk/all_party_parliamentary_group_for_proportional_representation looking at at the at the moment.

Doesn't seem to be getting much media coverage though.

That's interesting, even more so to hear what they come up with. Its a shame about the lack of media coverage, perhaps highlighting something else that would help bring people and politicians together. We seem to be lacking an easy to absorb brief on everything that's going on; not just someone's edited highlights!

Posted by: user23 Nov 10 2016, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 10 2016, 06:46 PM)

That's interesting, even more so to hear what they come up with. Its a shame about the lack of media coverage, perhaps highlighting something else that would help bring people and politicians together. We seem to be lacking an easy to absorb brief on everything that's going on; not just someone's edited highlights!

Perhaps it'd bring people together, full stop.

Knowing the party your vote for only needs 1/600th of the national vote to gain one MP might make people realise their vote matters.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 10 2016, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 10 2016, 08:18 PM)

Perhaps it'd bring people together, full stop.

Knowing the party your vote for only needs 1/600th of the national vote to gain one MP might make people realise their vote matters.

Be careful what you wish for....

Farage could end up as Prime Minister!!!!

Posted by: user23 Nov 10 2016, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 10 2016, 08:25 PM)

Be careful what you wish for....

Farage could end up as Prime Minister!!!!

Ha! Isn't he Trump's special ambassador to the EU now?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 10 2016, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 10 2016, 08:44 PM)

Ha! Isn't he Trump's special ambassador to the EU now?

Juncker would choke on his champagne. 4 glasses everyday for breakfast.... 😄

Posted by: user23 Nov 10 2016, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 10 2016, 09:12 PM)

Juncker would choke on his champagne. 4 glasses everyday for breakfast.... 😄

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/796834442593574912.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 10 2016, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 10 2016, 10:15 PM)

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/796834442593574912.

Nexit soon then Frexit. The English Brexiteers are feeling a little left out... Where's the WALL? I suppose we could rebuild Hadrians. Build the wall....Build the wall....personally I think its all down to Game Of Thrones. Bl00dy big wall that..

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 10 2016, 11:50 PM

A big project that, LOADS of jobs for the construction industry right there.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 11 2016, 06:57 PM

Good. He may have saved us all. Clinton wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Could have sparked WW3. If the Russkies are stupid enough to get involved in wars in that area of the world let them. History teaches us it does not end well.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 11 2016, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 10 2016, 05:54 PM)

There's http://www.chuka.org.uk/all_party_parliamentary_group_for_proportional_representation looking at at the at the moment.

Doesn't seem to be getting much media coverage though.

Not surprised - it's a bit effing late. Or has everyone forgotten that referendum?

Posted by: user23 Nov 11 2016, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 11 2016, 07:00 PM)

Not surprised - it's a bit effing late. Or has everyone forgotten that referendum?

That wasn't for Proportional Representation, it was for something completely different.

Posted by: dannyboy Nov 11 2016, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 11 2016, 06:57 PM)

Good. He may have saved us all. Clinton wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Could have sparked WW3. If the Russkies are stupid enough to get involved in wars in that area of the world let them. History teaches us it does not end well.

Wars - we have done very well out of them.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 11 2016, 09:25 PM

An interesting point of view: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.htmlb

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 11 2016, 11:57 PM

I had to laff, BBC are soo desperate to do their liberal agenda thing they sent Emily maitlis to do an in depth probe into our Don, she ended up comparing the Knights of Columbus with the KKK! Actually suggested they were an extreme right wing organisation! Oh dear, BBC, stop milking the licence payers and try using correspondents who know what they are talking about. And by the way I'm a fan of Emily.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 12 2016, 07:56 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 11 2016, 07:45 PM)

That wasn't for Proportional Representation, it was for something completely different.

Because the LibDems, despite being part of the governing coalition couldn't get PR on the ballot.

And then the great British public decided they didn't want a fairer electorial system.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 12 2016, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 12 2016, 07:56 AM)

Because the LibDems, despite being part of the governing coalition couldn't get PR on the ballot.

And then the great British public decided they didn't want a fairer electorial system.

And the Monster Raving Tories didn't want to let go of gerrymandering.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 12 2016, 12:40 PM

On the bright side, I understand the Kardashians have been invited to do a make over of the oval office!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 12 2016, 03:05 PM

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 12 2016, 07:39 PM

Fashisom! You gotta love it!

Posted by: newres Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 11 2016, 06:57 PM)

Good. He may have saved us all. Clinton wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Could have sparked WW3. If the Russkies are stupid enough to get involved in wars in that area of the world let them. History teaches us it does not end well.

It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 12 2016, 10:38 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM)

It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU.

We all have an opinion. Its the fear of speaking your opinion that has got us to President Trump. We need a reset button. The fear of your environment changing is not racist. Its normal to many. Millenials moan thay we will all die and what have we left them with? In part I agree but as they get older (and work for 20 years or so have a mortgage kids responsibilities to those they love) then some of them will change opinion. At present people dare not speak how they feel apart from in a polling booth. That is wrong. And believe it or not newres I respect you.

Trump Brexit and Leicester. A fiver treble this time last year would have paid 12.5 million. Strange times indeed...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 12 2016, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 12 2016, 10:03 PM)

It's not often I agree with you, but I do here 100%. I'd go so far as to say that if it weren't for these wars we'd still be in the EU.

The EU I am afraid is done. Next year is its last.. What comes after is more importantr now. We need to make plans for the future and build a better model. We can make things better and make Europe a great place to live for all. The work should start now.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 09:32 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 12 2016, 10:38 PM)

We all have an opinion. Its the fear of speaking your opinion that has got us to President Trump. We need a reset button. The fear of your environment changing is not racist. Its normal to many. Millenials moan thay we will all die and what have we left them with? In part I agree but as they get older (and work for 20 years or so have a mortgage kids responsibilities to those they love) then some of them will change opinion. At present people dare not speak how they feel apart from in a polling booth. That is wrong. And believe it or not newres I respect you.

I don't think that is true. Not speaking one's mind is the reason for poor poll predictions rather than who votes for what. Also, people vote (or don't) for a number of reasons and some of those are not because of support for the candidate.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 09:32 AM)

I don't think that is true. Not speaking one's mind is the reason for poor poll predictions rather than who votes for what. Also, people vote (or don't) for a number of reasons and some of those are not because of support for the candidate.

Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities..I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance.

Posted by: x2lls Nov 13 2016, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 01:28 PM)

Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities..I think it is and it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. So people stay quiet and vote when they get the chance.

Very well said indeed.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Nov 13 2016, 01:03 PM)

Very well said indeed.

Cant be @ssed with spellchecker on a pubic (get it) forum. And the grammar police are just sad trolls.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM)

Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities..I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance.

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 02:01 PM)

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.

The average age of an immigrant is 28. If all had worked here all of there life they would have paid a combined total of £480 billion in National Insurance contributions by the time they reached that age.. .

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 12:28 PM)

Tosh. Say you think that immigration is too high and you are branded by the liberal press and luvvy celebrities..I think it is about numbers not race or ethnicity. People stay quiet and vote when they get the chance.

I doubt that you read my post as your reply bears no relevance to my point.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 03:54 PM)

The average age of an immigrant is 28. If all had worked here all of there life they would have paid a combined total of £480 billion in National Insurance contributions by the time they reached that age.. .

Not really sure what your point is.

Immigrants don't pay any tax before they come here? They also don't use support services or infrastructure either so there's zero net loss or gain.

When they do come here there's a net gain to society greater than those who have lived here all their lives.

So the point is, more immigrants = more tax than the indigenous population = more schools and roads.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 05:14 PM

I bet people with anti immigration feelings are higher up the racist scale than those who are not. You don't have to be a grand wizard to have racist opinion. We all have some degree of racism or bigotry, it's a human trait.

I think the stupidest move was by Labour who embraced EU free movement too quickly and didn't plan for it. That alone has caused huge damage in social integration and further damaged trust in government.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 05:14 PM)

I bet people with anti immigration feelings are higher up the racist scale than those who are not. You don't have to be a grand wizard to have racist opinion. We all have some degree of racism or bigotry, it's a human trait.

I think the stupidest move was by Labour who embraced EU free movement too quickly and didn't plan for it. That alone has caused huge damage in social integration and further damaged trust in government.

Anti numbers is not racist. And yes Blair took us into wars and also was responsible for the damage in trust. It's a contagion now. Hollande is out and Nexit and Frexit will happen. And we will probably get REAL exteme right wingers in both Austria and Hungary. On the bright side Farage is pals with Trump. 😅

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 05:03 PM)

Not really sure what your point is.

Immigrants don't pay any tax before they come here? They also don't use support services or infrastructure either so there's zero net loss or gain.

When they do come here there's a net gain to society greater than those who have lived here all their lives.

So the point is, more immigrants = more tax than the indigenous population = more schools and roads.

Errr. 16 to 28 year old tend to be fit and don't need the NHS much... if at all.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:30 PM)

Errr. 16 to 28 year old tend to be fit and don't need the NHS much... if at all.

Many 16 - 21 year olds are still in the education system.

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 05:35 PM)

Many 16 - 21 year olds are still in the education system.

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Im not sure what your point is.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 13 2016, 05:48 PM

If you're a liberal you don't need a point. Just make do with rhetoric.

Posted by: newres Nov 13 2016, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 13 2016, 05:48 PM)

If you're a liberal you don't need a point. Just make do with rhetoric.

Donald Trump anyone???

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:27 PM)

Anti numbers is not racist. And yes Blair took us into wars and also was responsible for the damage in trust. It's a contagion now. Hollande is out and Nexit and Frexit will happen. And we will probably get REAL exteme right wingers in both Austria and Hungary. On the bright side Farage is pals with Trump. 😅

I feel the anti-numbers argument is a cover for what is truly thought. I mean, what is the number? And what is too many?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 13 2016, 05:48 PM)

If you're a liberal you don't need a point. Just make do with rhetoric.

Quite. That's exactly why Trump and Brexit happen. And will continue to do so.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 05:50 PM)

I feel the anti-numbers argument is a cover for what is truly thought. I mean, what is the number? And what is too many?

The number is what our infrastructure can take. Not too difficult. Number of hospitals divided by people. Number of schools and places divided by number of children. Build more hospitals, doctors surgeries, schools, roads, train tracks. But DONT bl00dy moan about it when your house is compulsory purchased to complete an infrastructure project and dont play the green "we are destroying the world card". Cannot have it all ways. Liberals want it all. The world aint like that.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:02 PM)

The number is what our infrastructure can take. Not too difficult. Number of hospitals divided by people. Number of schools and places divided by number of children. Build more hospitals, doctors surgeries, schools, roads, train tracks. But DONT bl00dy moan about it when your house is compulsory purchased to complete an infrastructure project and dont play the green "we are destroying the world card". Cannot have it all ways. Liberals want it all. The world aint like that.

You said it was a numbers game, so what is the number that is too many?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:06 PM)

You said it was a numbers game, so what is the number that is too many?

I'm not sure you read my post. Ever heard of analytics? LOL....

Posted by: newres Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:54 PM)

Quite. That's exactly why Trump and Brexit happen. And will continue to do so.

Posted by: newres Nov 13 2016, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:19 PM)

Im not sure what your point is.

You're saying that those that didn't vote for Trump are the reason he was elected. That normal, decent, caring people are responsible for the fact that Trump won. If liberals didn't exist, there would be no far right (which frankly is what Trump and Farage are). The fact is that the people that voted for hum surely shared his extreme views.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 06:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 06:30 PM)

You're saying that those that didn't vote for Trump are the reason he was elected. That normal, decent, caring people are responsible for the fact that Trump won. If liberals didn't exist, there would be no far right (which frankly is what Trump and Farage are). The fact is that the people that voted for hum surely shared his extreme views.

Why? Perhaps they were just fed up with people like you. Do you really think half of Britain and half of the USA are right wing racists? Yep that must be it cos the vote did not go the right way. Does not compute. Does not compute. Error. Error. 😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:16 PM)

I'm not sure you read my post. Ever heard of analytics? LOL....

I have, but so far you said it's about numbers but it seems you don't have any numbers, so I have to wonder if your view about it only being about numbers as genuine.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:43 PM)

I have, but so far you said it's about numbers but it seems you don't have any numbers, so I have to wonder if your view about it only being about numbers as genuine.

It is. I don't care if you believe me as it suits your agenda not to. Says it all really. You cannot see. You are blind.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:39 PM)

Why? Perhaps they were just fed up with people like you. Do you really think half of Britain and half of the USA are right wing racists?

To varying degrees, yes, although over half Eledgible to vote didn't vote for the winning team.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 06:55 PM)

To varying degrees, yes, although over half Eledgible to vote didn't vote of the winning team.

Basket of delporables the lot of them. 😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 06:50 PM)

It is. I don't care if you believe me as it suits your agenda not to. Says it all really. You cannot see. You are blind.

I can see that you cannot support your opinion which just goes to support my view that the 'numbers' argument is bogus, or you haven't done your homework to see if your view is valid.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 07:05 PM)

I can see that you cannot support your opinion which just goes to support my view that the 'numbers' argument is bogus, or you haven't done you homework to see if your view is valid.

Im not sure what your point is. I'm right. You are wrong. I dont accept any comment of yours as having any merit. You need educating. Poor soul.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 07:09 PM)

Im not sure what your point is. I'm right. You are wrong. I dont accept any comment of yours as having any merit. You need educating. Poor soul.

You said it isn't about race; it is about numbers. I asked what were the numbers, but you haven't answered. I suspect you don't know the numbers, thus rendering your view Invalid. If it were genuinely just about numbers, I'd have expected you to have reeled of a few numerical examples.

Mind you, just because I doubt your sinereity about your objection to immigration as being purely numerical, that doesn't mean I think everything you say is without merit. That is your exaggeration.

As it happens I think unfettered immigration is flawed, but I don't have enough facts to be sure I am right.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 07:53 PM)

You said it isn't about race; it is about numbers. I asked what were the numbers, but haven't answered. I suspect you don't know the numbers, thus rendering your view Invalid. If it were genuinely just about numbers, I'd have expected you to have reeled of a few numerical examples.

Yep u got me. Im actually a member of the KKK and have at this very moment got a burning cross outside in the garden. Its a booger typing through these white sheets and pointy hat though....

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 05:42 PM)

Im not sure what your point is.

My point is this.

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 08:02 PM)

Yep u got me. Im actually a member of the KKK and have at this very moment got a burning cross outside in the garden. Its a booger typing through these white sheets and pointy hat though....

I knew it. I knew you would break in the end...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 08:03 PM)

My point is this.

It's not racist to complain about immigration but it is almost certainly xenophobic just to say there are too many foreigners coming into our country.

If it's backed up with a valid reason then it's not xenophobic, but I rarely see anyone come up with a good reason why we shouldn't allow more immigrants into the UK.

The classic one is, "they're a drain on our infrastructure" but as on average immigrants pay more tax than the indigenous population they're actually a net contributor to the nation's finances.

Who is moaning about foreigners? If 100000 white English layabouts left the Country and were replaced by 100000 hard working people from any ethnicity I'd be well chuffed. Numbers....

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 08:22 PM)

Who is moaning about foreigners? If 100000 white English layabouts left the Country and were replaced by 100000 hard working people from any ethnicity I'd be well chuffed. Numbers....

Why do you want to set an absolute limit on the number of people living here?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 08:41 PM)

Why do you want to set an absolute limit on the number of people living here?

The same reason lots of other people do. This part of the Country is full. But hey settle newcomers in Scotland or Wales or the North? Cant do that....Cant tell people where to live.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 08:41 PM)

Why do you want to set an absolute limit on the number of people living here?

Why dont you? 2 billion not enough? How about 3 billion? What about getting the whole world to live on this island of ours. Still wouldnt be enough for people like you.

Posted by: newres Nov 13 2016, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 09:00 PM)

The same reason lots of other people do. This part of the Country is full. But hey settle newcomers in Scotland or Wales or the North? Cant do that....Cant tell people where to live.

If you don't like it in this part of the country, why don't you move? I moved here from London because I thought London was too busy.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 09:07 PM)

Why dont you? 2 billion not enough? How about 3 billion? What about getting the whole world to live on this island of ours. Still wouldnt be enough for people like you.

People like me?

Are you generalising again?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 09:12 PM)

If you don't like it in this part of the country, why don't you move? I moved here from London because I thought London was too busy.

It has crossed my mind. Thought about moving abroad with my foreign girlfriend. Might try for an Aussie visa. I have an elderly mother though so want to look after her until its her time. Ive lived in Newbury all my life. Guess when Newbury is too busy you'll have to move again. And then again. Give it a few years and you'll end up in the Atlantic...😄

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 13 2016, 09:20 PM

I think having a population policy is sensible. I think it could go towards a government KPI.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:21 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 09:18 PM)

People like me?

Are you generalising again?

Pot and Kettle spring to mind.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 13 2016, 09:20 PM)

I think having a population policy is sensible. I think it could go towards a government KPI.

Could not agree more.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2016, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 13 2016, 09:21 PM)

Pot and Kettle spring to mind.

That's the second time you've done that in this discussion.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 13 2016, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2016, 09:24 PM)

That's the second time you've done that in this discussion.

Its not a discussion.its a disagreement.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 13 2016, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 06:49 PM)

Donald Trump anyone???

Apparently yes! Particularly if you happen to be an American voter.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 13 2016, 11:52 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 13 2016, 10:12 PM)

If you don't like it in this part of the country, why don't you move? I moved here from London because I thought London was too busy.

I think he does like this part of the country, that's just the point.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 04:35 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 13 2016, 11:52 PM)

I think he does like this part of the country, that's just the point.

An example of the white flight from London. Methinks he doth play the "Im not racist" card a bit much. It being "busy" as he puts it....😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 04:35 AM

Duplicate

Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 06:19 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2016, 04:35 AM)

An example of the white flight from London. Methinks he doth play the "Im not racist" card a bit much. It being "busy" as he puts it....😂

I was only there because I stayed after university, but my job was in Bracknell. I had no ties so we rented out our flat and moved to Scratcham. If there was a flight, it was from there!

Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 06:19 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2016, 04:35 AM)

An example of the white flight from London. Methinks he doth play the "Im not racist" card a bit much. It being "busy" as he puts it....😂

I was only there because I stayed after university, but my job was in Bracknell. I had no ties so we rented out our flat and moved to Scratcham. If there was a flight, it was from there!

Posted by: On the edge Nov 14 2016, 08:06 AM

Like it or not, immigration is a serious issue right now; but it's a symptom hiding a much more serious problem. Identified here by User 23 in an earlier response. That is, over the last decades, we have seriously mis managed our infrastructure.

Most people don't give a **** about who comes here, provided they are peaceable and more particularly, provided we can have decent homes, reasonable jobs, health and welfare services together with a credible future for the kids.

BUT more and more, our politicians have been far more focused on other, frankly less critical issues which ironically would get much more traction if the first objective was met and maintained.

So, in a society where our leaders believe we need splash pads more than properly maintained roads; what can we expect?

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 14 2016, 09:19 AM

Few are prepared to pay for it. Immigration was way to cheapen labour and help fund the services we do get.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 14 2016, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 14 2016, 09:19 AM)

Few are prepared to pay for it. Immigration was way to cheapen labour and help fund the services we do get.

....and therein lies the rub; can't have your cake and eat it. Mind, with the likes of Sir Philip Green and Fred Goodwin etc.etc. around, we don't even get to see the cake.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 14 2016, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 14 2016, 01:35 PM)

....and therein lies the rub; can't have your cake and eat it. Mind, with the likes of Sir Philip Green and Fred Goodwin etc.etc. around, we don't even get to see the cake.

That is the paradox and therefore there no such thing as a free lunch. If we want stuff to be cheap we need a cheaper labour force. Of course, the problem here is the tax yield from a cheaper labour force is lower, so you need a bigger labour force to raise the tax receipt.

The public gets what the public wants.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 14 2016, 04:02 PM

And post Osbourn where we've flogged off the last remaining UK businesses, the high end jobs are now elsewhere, so the home labour force becomes low wage too.

It's rather ironic that post Brexit, immigrants of all types still want to come here. Arguably their continuing attempts at entry and continued presence here is indicator that Brexit is seen as giving a far better economic future than Europe.

Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 14 2016, 04:02 PM)

And post Osbourn where we've flogged off the last remaining UK businesses, the high end jobs are now elsewhere, so the home labour force becomes low wage too.

It's rather ironic that post Brexit, immigrants of all types still want to come here. Arguably their continuing attempts at entry and continued presence here is indicator that Brexit is seen as giving a far better economic future than Europe.

It could just be that the average none English war refugee has never heard of Brexit.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 14 2016, 05:44 PM

Most of these are not war torn refugees, that's just a liberal mantra for the lazy minded. Most are economic migrants.

Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 14 2016, 05:44 PM)

Most of these are not war torn refugees, that's just a liberal mantra for the lazy minded. Most are economic migrants.

And your view is the official Britain First one.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 14 2016, 06:34 PM

Regardless of their status, we have welcomed a large amount of migrants into this country. Most are to help underpin out economy and some we haven't accounted for; however, given the choice of poverty or taking my chances with trying to make it in the west, I know what I would do.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 14 2016, 06:34 PM

DP

Posted by: On the edge Nov 14 2016, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 04:59 PM)

It could just be that the average none English war refugee has never heard of Brexit.

Yes, that's a big possibility. Nonetheless, those that have been interviewed tend to be quite literate. I'd argue that if they had no inkling of which state to aim for, they'd be more than happy to stay anywhere in mainland Europe; or why bother with yet another difficult sea crossing?

Additionally, there doesn't seem to be any mass exit from the UK by recent immigrants. Indeed, they seem to be more worried that we will want them to leave. Fortunately for the sake of our health service and our home agriculture to instance just two areas, they seem to be staying.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 14 2016, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 07:20 PM)

And your view is the official Britain First one.

No, its a fact? What is wrong with you?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 14 2016, 10:15 PM)

No, its a fact? What is wrong with you?

Facts dont matter to the liberals. Its like some sort of weird mooney cult....

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 14 2016, 10:20 PM

If they are refugee they would have have stopped where they were first safe, in other words the first country they got to. Not slogged cross half Europe!. How difficult is that for some people to understand.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 14 2016, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2016, 11:19 PM)

Facts dont matter to the liberals. Its like some sort of weird mooney cult....

Is that the one where you have to drop yer Keck's?

Posted by: On the edge Nov 14 2016, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 14 2016, 05:44 PM)

Most of these are not war torn refugees, that's just a liberal mantra for the lazy minded. Most are economic migrants.

Presumably dear old Norman Tebbitt's dad would have been an economic migrant; getting on his bike and looking for work.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 14 2016, 10:56 PM

I don't object t economic migrants, why would I? My grandfather was one (after a fashion) What really annoys me is the liberals tagging everyone who wants in as a refugee!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 14 2016, 10:56 PM)

I don't object t economic migrants, why would I? My grandfather was one (after a fashion) What really annoys me is the liberals tagging everyone who wants in as a refugee!

But its true. And they all need to get to blighty cos all the other countries on the way are sooooo nasty.. We also may have 3 million mexicans looking for a new home...😮

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 15 2016, 05:05 AM

The flip side of all that is we offer fewer places for refugees compared to other European countries despite being partly responsible for their plight.

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 06:10 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 14 2016, 10:15 PM)

No, its a fact? What is wrong with you?

If you have some independent data that demonstrates the nationalities of the people arriving in Europe please point to it. If more than 50% of them are from non war zones then I am happy to accept I'm wrong.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 06:19 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 06:10 AM)

If you have some independent data that demonstrates the nationalities of the people arriving in Europe please point to it. If more than 50% of them are from non war zones then I am happy to accept I'm wrong.

Jusy for clarity...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Do you mean all of these countries? If not, which ones?

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 07:26 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 15 2016, 06:19 AM)

Jusy for clarity...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Do you mean all of these countries? If not, which ones?

You need clarity to define a war zone? Ok, it's not Market Place on a Friday night.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 15 2016, 07:57 AM

"They are refugees when they leave a war zone for Europe - but if they move from one EU country to another because there is a better chance of finding work or a prosperous future more generally, surely they have become economic migrants, too?And if they become economic migrants when they move from Greece to Germany, are they not also economic migrants when they move from countries like Turkey or Jordan, where they are safe even if living in difficult conditions, to Europe?"

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 07:26 AM)

You need clarity to define a war zone? Ok, it's not Market Place on a Friday night.

Mexico is 5th on the list in 2015. Does that mean you think we should welcome Mexican "refugees" as they are no longer welcome in the USA?

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 15 2016, 08:33 AM

Ahh, we seem to have come a long way from dear Don in this thread. Possible luvvie creep?

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 15 2016, 07:57 AM)

"They are refugees when they leave a war zone for Europe - but if they move from one EU country to another because there is a better chance of finding work or a prosperous future more generally, surely they have become economic migrants, too?And if they become economic migrants when they move from Greece to Germany, are they not also economic migrants when they move from countries like Turkey or Jordan, where they are safe even if living in difficult conditions, to Europe?"

So they flee a war zone, but because they move from one country to another they are no longer refugees? That's frankly idiotic and the politest description would be uncharitable.

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 08:59 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 15 2016, 08:08 AM)

Mexico is 5th on the list in 2015. Does that mean you think we should welcome Mexican "refugees" as they are no longer welcome in the USA?

Why stop Mexicans unless they are "useful" to the UK? They have just as much right to come from war ravaged countries as any other. Or do only certain Countries qualify? And not just those on the list.

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 15 2016, 07:26 PM)

Why stop Mexicans unless they are "useful" to the UK? They have just as much right to come from war ravaged countries as any other. Or do only certain Countries qualify? And not just those on the list.

What are you talking about?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 08:48 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 08:34 PM)

What are you talking about?

My point is WHO decides. Is it you? You seem to represent the people that have got us to the point where Donald Trump wins because anyone who disagrees has an "agenda" and is akin to Adolf Hitler. Lost the plot the lot of you. Thats why Hungary and Austria are going to have facist leaders and le pen will most likely come very close. The Left and Liberals nees to dial down the mantra that anyone worried about POPULATION growth has a white pointy hat and three slaves picking cotton in the garden. Believe it or not people STILL want to come to this Country because we are more often than not simply nice.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 15 2016, 09:16 PM

I think the main reasons are not due to leftist slagging off fascists, I think it is many things: austerity, terrorists, anarchy in the Middle East, Facebook et al., careless and arrogant politicians (which we encourage), the housing FUBAR, lower end wage stagnation, I think these are higher up the list.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 15 2016, 09:16 PM)

I think the main reasons are not due to leftist slagging off fascists, I think it is many things: austerity, terrorists, anarchy in the Middle East, facebook et al., careless and arrogant politicians (which we encourage). I think these are higher up the list.

You miss my point. They are not slagging off JUST fascists and racists. Ita a bit like saying anyone left of centre is akin to Joseph Stalin. One of the biggest murderers of all time. People have flavours of left and right. Anything slightly righter than a Lib Dem is morally corrupt, plain racist, facist and scum.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 15 2016, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 15 2016, 09:24 PM)

You miss my point. They are not slagging off JUST fascists and racists. Ita a bit like saying anyone left of centre is akin to Joseph Stalin. One of the biggest murderers of all time. People have flavours of left and right. Anything slightly righter than a Lib Dem is morally corrupt, plain racist, facist and scum.

I don't think I missed your point, I just don't agree. I don't think Trump and Brexit are the result of people being called names, I think it was more to do with the things I listed. I'll add fear of Islam as another reason.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 15 2016, 10:08 PM)

I don't think I missed your point, I just don't agree. I don't think Trump and Brexit are the result of people being called names, I think it was more to do with the things I listed. I'll add fear of Islam as another reason.

We'll agree to disagree then. Shame not all can do the same.👍

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 10:20 PM

I know I posted this before but it really strikes a chord. I also realise he is a comedian before anyone says and that this may be ironic..

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 15 2016, 10:22 PM

I think you are right though in that you won't change minds by browbeating. People will just shut-up, perhaps with even more determination.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 15 2016, 10:22 PM)

I think you are right though in that you won't change minds by browbeating. People will just shut-up, perhaps with even more determination.

Exactly my point. You also have some good points. Its probably a blend of all...Politics and views are polarised. Normally ends in tears, unless people can respect each others views, whether they like them or not. The other choice is the end..... of literally everything.😣

Posted by: dannyboy Nov 15 2016, 11:07 PM

Politics and views are polarised.

Misinformed is more accurate.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 15 2016, 11:07 PM)

Politics and views are polarised.

Misinformed is more accurate.

Corect as well. Who is doing the misinforming though? What is the truth? No one knows. Thats half the problem.j

Posted by: newres Nov 16 2016, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 15 2016, 11:07 PM)

Politics and views are polarised.

Misinformed is more accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37983571

Donald Trump mentioned Facebook as a big plus for his campaign.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 16 2016, 08:20 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 16 2016, 08:08 AM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37983571

Donald Trump mentioned Facebook as a big plus for his campaign.

And you believe that? People read and listen to what they want to hear. You probably read the Guardian. Not many come on to forums like this and chew the fat. "Fake News" is something the BBC pedal every day anyway!😅

Posted by: On the edge Nov 16 2016, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 16 2016, 08:08 AM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37983571

Donald Trump mentioned Facebook as a big plus for his campaign.

It's not the mechanisim, more the content. It's not the lies either, more the distortion.

Put it this way, describing 17 year old people may be legally accurate but is a distortion when applied to drum up emotion.

This propaganda technique has always been with us, but as the referendum and the presidential campaigns have shown us, it's now endemic even with those claiming to be disinterested.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 22 2016, 05:06 PM

"Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street ofputting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be"great" ambassador."

Oh Rly? Err, too far Nige', too far.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 22 2016, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 22 2016, 05:06 PM)

"Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street ofputting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be"great" ambassador."

Oh Rly? Err, too far Nige', too far.

I suspect it's a great response to the pretty patronising comments made by our very own, as reported in the Sunday Times a week or so back on the lines that our clever British diplomats would be able to control and steer the new President.....oh yeah!

Posted by: JeffG Nov 22 2016, 07:12 PM

I thought Downing Street was being really diplomatic in its response, rather than saying what everyone was thinking: "You're joking, right?".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 22 2016, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 22 2016, 07:12 PM)

I thought Downing Street was being really diplomatic in its response, rather than saying what everyone was thinking: "You're joking, right?".

Juncker must be choking on his moet...

Posted by: user23 Nov 22 2016, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 22 2016, 05:06 PM)

"Nigel Farage has accused Downing Street ofputting its dislike of him ahead of the national interest after No 10 dismissed Donald Trump's comment that he could be"great" ambassador."

Oh Rly? Err, too far Nige', too far.

Funny how he's changed his tune about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/22/nigel-farage-told-us-president-butt-affairs-times-change/.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 22 2016, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 22 2016, 10:05 PM)

Funny how he's changed his tune about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/22/nigel-farage-told-us-president-butt-affairs-times-change/.

Build the wall!!!! Farage. The politician that has changed the face of Europe and has lit the blue touch paper that ends globalism. He will be historically a very important person. In a good way? Who knows? Only time will tell. If you compare to the 1930s... Post depression the same thing happened and that did not end well...

Posted by: On the edge Nov 23 2016, 08:19 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 22 2016, 10:15 PM)

Build the wall!!!! Farage. The politician that has changed the face of Europe and has lit the blue touch paper that ends globalism. He will be historically a very important person. In a good way? Who knows? Only time will tell. If you compare to the 1930s... Post depression the same thing happened and that did not end well...

Historically, he'll be lucky even to be a footnote. Who remembers past big bears like George Lansbury, Rab Butler, A.J Cook etc? Our Nigel is being used and doubtless he knows it. Our diplomatic people fell into the same trap as Maynard Keynes team did trying to negotiate a loan saying 'they may well have the money, but we have the brains'. Our Amercian friends are seeing us being patronising yet again.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 28 2016, 01:45 AM

I see that the battle in France next year will be between the centre right and the far right, if marine wins she may well press for Frexit. Could be interesting to follow that one.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 28 2016, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 28 2016, 01:45 AM)

I see that the battle in France next year will be between the centre right and the far right, ...

More like far right v extreme right. But it's not necessarily so - if the socialists ditch Hollande and find a good relacement they might just get their man through to the final round, helped by the extreme views of two similar right wing candidates. In normal circumstances they would be delighted in the split in the right vote.

That said the main difference between Le Pen and Fillon seems to be the EU - so a run-off between them could be seen as a Frexit referendum.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 26 2017, 08:07 PM

I'm a bit worried.Trump is doing all he said he would do in the campaign.When did politicians start doing that?Oh wait... He is not a politician.Perhaps thats the future.

Posted by: user23 Jan 26 2017, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 26 2017, 08:07 PM)

I'm a bit worried.Trump is doing all he said he would do in the campaign.When did politicians start doing that?Oh wait... He is not a politician.Perhaps thats the future.

Kind of, guess how he's planning to pay for the wall, with http://uk.businessinsider.com/sean-spicer-trump-considering-20-tax-on-mexican-imports-2017-1?r=US&IR=T and a "broader tax reform package".

Guess who paying for the wall? Americans.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 26 2017, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 26 2017, 08:54 PM)

Kind of, guess how he's planning to pay for the wall, with http://uk.businessinsider.com/sean-spicer-trump-considering-20-tax-on-mexican-imports-2017-1?r=US&IR=T and a "broader tax reform package".

Guess who paying for the wall? Americans.

We'll see how that shakes down.. I'm interested to see if he sends in the feds to sort out Chicago..

Posted by: user23 Jan 26 2017, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 26 2017, 09:04 PM)

We'll see how that shakes down.. I'm interested to see if he sends in the feds to sort out Chicago..

Next on his list is sorting out "voter fraud" in the election, because he didn't like that he lost the popular vote.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 26 2017, 09:25 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 26 2017, 09:14 PM)

Next on his list is sorting out "voter fraud" in the election, because he didn't like that he lost the popular vote.

It's better than that, if he can push through voter reform voters will need to produce specific id before voting ie, driving licence or passport.and who is least likely to do that? Statistically black and Hispanic voters. Therefore giving a better chance at reelection time. He's not that stupid and he's planning ahead.

Posted by: user23 Jan 26 2017, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 26 2017, 09:25 PM)

It's better than that, if he can push through voter reform voters will need to produce specific id before voting ie, driving licence or passport.and who is least likely to do that? Statistically black and Hispanic voters. Therefore giving a better chance at reelection time. He's not that stupid and he's planning ahead.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 26 2017, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 26 2017, 09:25 PM)

It's better than that, if he can push through voter reform voters will need to produce specific id before voting ie, driving licence or passport.and who is least likely to do that? Statistically black and Hispanic voters. Therefore giving a better chance at reelection time. He's not that stupid and he's planning ahead.

Bit like changing boundaries for seats in the uk.😄Still at least Theresa has her nipple tassels for tomorrow.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jan 26 2017, 10:57 PM

If we had thought, we could have got AC to send one of his spare sets.

Tassels? I only use clamps!

Posted by: Andy Capp Jan 27 2017, 08:38 PM

Ha ha!

http://www.the-postillon.com/2017/01/mexico-tunnels.html

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 29 2017, 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 27 2017, 08:38 PM)

Ha ha!

http://www.the-postillon.com/2017/01/mexico-tunnels.html

Now, that's funny

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 29 2017, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 04:49 PM)

Now, that's funny

Build the wall!!! Winter is coming.....

Posted by: JeffG Jan 29 2017, 10:04 PM

At the time of writing, the petition is approaching 750,000 signatures. At the rate it's increasing it will be over a million in a couple of days...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Edit: in the time it took to write this post it got well past that number

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 29 2017, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 29 2017, 10:04 PM)

At the time of writing, the petition is approaching 750,000 signatures. At the rate it's increasing it will be over a million in a couple of days...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Edit: in the time it took to write this post it got well past that number

And?

Posted by: JeffG Jan 29 2017, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 10:13 PM)

And?

What do you mean "And?" Quite a respectable figure, don't you think? Have you signed yet?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 29 2017, 10:55 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 29 2017, 10:16 PM)

What do you mean "And?" Quite a respectable figure, don't you think? Have you signed yet?

Nope, and I won't be, I leave that nonsence to the liberal luvvies.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 29 2017, 11:16 PM

Oooo a petition. That'll scare Donald. To be frank if I was him Id tell the UK I wasn't coming and dont give a sh1t. And he probably will.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jan 29 2017, 11:47 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 29 2017, 10:16 PM)

What do you mean "And?" Quite a respectable figure, don't you think? Have you signed yet?

No, me niether, where was the petition stopping China, or Russia or the Saudis, or Kuwait. None of which have have what you would call even a passable human rights record, but, an heres the rub, DT who is only making good on the election promises that got him elected cant come? really? Cos hes a nasty man? really? A furore constituted by the lib luvs. Pointless people with nothing better to do than run around squeaking like excited schoolgirls!!

Posted by: JeffG Jan 30 2017, 09:48 AM

Nobody did anything when a similar person came to power in the 1930s. And look what happened.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 30 2017, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 30 2017, 09:48 AM)

Nobody did anything when a similar person came to power in the 1930s. And look what happened.

From The Times,

"Millions are in the grip of Traumatic Trump Syndrome and boy, is it starting to wear. Of course, we are entitled to feel concerned by some of his policies, not least the three-month suspension of arrivals from seven Muslim-majority countries. A policy which would see Sir Mo Farah detained on arrival is clearly nuts and unworthy of the United States. But to compare Mrs May to Neville Chamberlain for her delay in condemning this is nonsense. Trump is not a fascist dictator. He is a democratically elected president who represents the wishes of over 60 million Americans, whether we like it or not. Strangely, there was not the same outcry when Obama banned refugees from Iraq for six months in 2011."

"So much of the criticism is branded as a “fight back”, with promises not to take the presidency lying down. But what do the anguished luvvies, the angry tweeters, the animated talking heads achieve through their obsessive vilification — beyond the trumpeting of their own moral credentials? There is a kind of laziness in all this. Because it is so easy to rail against Trump, to harrumph about his latest outrageous comment — yet it is so, so pointless. Marching in London, tweeting in Manchester, stamping your feet in Stevenage; it won’t make the slightest difference to the executive orders Trump signs or the policies he pursues. You might as well fight the tides as fight an elected president of another country let alone this one, who sees criticism as a reason to double-down not back down."

Got it pretty much right as well!

Posted by: JeffG Jan 30 2017, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 30 2017, 09:54 AM)

Got it pretty much right as well!

In your opinion.

You don't say who wrote that article. It might help to give some perspective. It sounds like something Piers Morgan would write.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 30 2017, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 30 2017, 10:20 AM)

In your opinion.

You don't say who wrote that article. It might help to give some perspective. It sounds like something Piers Morgan would write.

Clare Foges.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jan 30 2017, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 30 2017, 09:48 AM)

Nobody did anything when a similar person came to power in the 1930s. And look what happened.

House!! Luvvies bingo. When one of you lot come across someone who doesn't subscribe to your wood burning stove, hemp trousered ideal first thing you does is start calling peoples racist or in this case a Nazi! Well done, keep reinforce the image.

Posted by: On the edge Jan 30 2017, 11:02 AM

Actually, I think the May / Chamberlain comparison is spot on.......thank goodness.

Chamberlain was actually a very good Prime Minister, who was held in public esteem for much of his premiership. That's why Neville became a popular boys name at the time. There is also a case to be made for saying Chamberlain laid the foundations on which the NHS could be built, but for his reforms, its doubtful it would have happened.

Then we have his 'downfall' . He was the only World Leader to declare war and mean it. Sure, there was a long period of negotiation before hand. He did realise the 'Peace with honour' speech was a mistake, almost as soon as he made it; read the academic histories. Nonetheless, he did use the time to ready the nation for war. So why did he have to go? Well, the war wasn't going as well as it should have been; again, the academic histories are illuminating. However, he earned the unwavering respect of his replacement who he wholly supported loyally until his death.

Mrs May can hold her head up high being compared to him. Apparently she holds his dad Joe Chamberlain in respect too.

Posted by: JeffG Jan 30 2017, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 30 2017, 10:43 AM)

House!! Luvvies bingo. When one of you lot come across someone who doesn't subscribe to your wood burning stove, hemp trousered ideal first thing you does is start calling peoples racist or in this case a Nazi! Well done, keep reinforce the image.

Well, I have better things to do than argue with the bigots on here. Bye.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jan 30 2017, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 30 2017, 02:42 PM)

Well, I have better things to do than argue with the bigots on here. Bye.

Racist, Nazi and now bigot! Will wonders never cease. Good ole luvvie argument, if you don't agree with em your probably one of the above! Bless em.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 30 2017, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 30 2017, 02:42 PM)

Well, I have better things to do than argue with the bigots on here. Bye.

Bigot,a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life:If I was being uncharitable one could say that applied to you as well, but I won't.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 4 2017, 11:34 PM

Guess this is ok as its Trump.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38867961

The stupid thing is the more you back him into a corner......

Talk to him. Reason with him. He is an elected leader.

The #resistance are I am afraid..... thick.😮

Posted by: Simon Kirby Feb 5 2017, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 30 2017, 09:54 AM)

From The Times, ...

Do you not worry when a national newspaper tells you so explicitly not to think about the argument but just to mock anyone who doesn't share the establishment view. *insert reference to dystopian novel*.

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 5 2017, 08:19 AM

No, not when they're right. I don't.

Posted by: user23 Feb 5 2017, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 4 2017, 11:34 PM)

Guess this is ok as its Trump.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38867961

The stupid thing is the more you back him into a corner......

Talk to him. Reason with him. He is an elected leader.

The #resistance are I am afraid..... thick.

Looks like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/donald-trump-slams-so-called-judge-blocked-ban-vows-overturn/.

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 6 2017, 02:33 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 5 2017, 09:21 AM)

Looks like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/donald-trump-slams-so-called-judge-blocked-ban-vows-overturn/.

Right, I'm back with some popcorn!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 6 2017, 11:21 PM

Interesting views from Germany.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1133177.html

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 7 2017, 12:02 AM

I wonder what the view from the stateside liberals window will be when the next extremist Muslim Massacres a bunch of citizens and Chicken little is let out of the coop so he can run around clucking "dearey me, the sky is a falling in, someone should have done something".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 7 2017, 05:14 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 7 2017, 12:02 AM)

I wonder what the view from the stateside liberals window will be when the next extremist Muslim Massacres a bunch of citizens and Chicken little is let out of the coop so he can run around clucking "dearey me, the sky is a falling in, someone should have done something".

The view will be that it is Trumps fault. He encouraged them by being nasty. And if he had done nothing and kept Obama's policy it would also have been his fault for not implementing the policy he campaigned on and was elected with... I'm sensing a pattern....

#prayfor(inserttownorcityname)

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 7 2017, 07:07 AM

Oooerrr!Now The Speaker has spoken.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38889941Not only should Trump not see The Queen but also he is not worthy of addressing our political elite!Well, he must know best and surely speaks for us all??

Posted by: blackdog Feb 7 2017, 07:08 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 7 2017, 12:02 AM)

I wonder what the view from the stateside liberals window will be when the next extremist Muslim Massacres a bunch of citizens and Chicken little is let out of the coop so he can run around clucking "dearey me, the sky is a falling in, someone should have done something".

If it's anything like last time they'll be wondering why he wanted to ban follk from 7 countries but not the one's who flew the planes into the two towers.

In the meantime many thousands of Americans will be slaughtered by home-grown Christians and Trump will do nothing about gun control.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 7 2017, 07:33 AM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 7 2017, 07:08 AM)

If it's anything like last time they'll be wondering why he wanted to ban follk from 7 countries but not the one's who flew the planes into the two towers.

In the meantime many thousands of Americans will be slaughtered by home-grown Christians and Trump will do nothing about gun control.

Crazy I know but banning guns in the USA is akin to banning cars in the UK. Its part of the DNA of Americans. Cars in the UK kill lots of people. It could be argued they should be banned.

Posted by: dannyboy Feb 7 2017, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2017, 07:33 AM)

Crazy I know but banning guns in the USA is akin to banning cars in the UK. Its part of the DNA of Americans. Cars in the UK kill lots of people. It could be argued they should be banned.

Too much food is a killer. Ban food.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Feb 7 2017, 01:57 PM

Start with tobacco.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 7 2017, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 7 2017, 01:57 PM)

Start with tobacco.

Tax drugs. The US are making a mint. Sales of 7 billion in 2016 and soaring for Cannabis. Might help plug the hole on the NHS budget.Also I was thinking about the NHS and health tourism. Why not deduct the bill from any foreign aid we give to the tourists country of origin. They can then chase them for the money and the invoice is paid????

Posted by: Simon Kirby Feb 7 2017, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 7 2017, 07:08 AM)

If it's anything like last time they'll be wondering why he wanted to ban follk from 7 countries but not the one's who flew the planes into the two towers.

In the meantime many thousands of Americans will be slaughtered by home-grown Christians and Trump will do nothing about gun control.

Precisely.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Feb 7 2017, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 7 2017, 12:21 PM)

Too much food is a killer. Ban food.

Mmmm, Soylent Green.

Posted by: blackdog Feb 8 2017, 11:40 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2017, 07:33 AM)

Crazy I know but banning guns in the USA is akin to banning cars in the UK. Its part of the DNA of Americans. Cars in the UK kill lots of people. It could be argued they should be banned.

Banned - or better controlled?

There are millions in the US who think there should be better gun control, I suspect there are plenty here who thinks that better driving standards should be enforced.

That aside, there was a time when driving home after 4 or 5 pints was commonplace, now it is seen as heinous behaviour by most; there is a similar change happening with phones and driving - national 'DNA' can change

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 8 2017, 12:08 PM

Not whilst the NRA exists, that organisation exerts a fantastic amount of political clout and resists absolutely any curtailing of gun 'rights', look at the row over magazine size, look at the fuss over microstamping. Why does anybody 'need' an AR15? Why does anybody 'need' frangible ammunition? Because the red neck, bubblegum chewing psychopaths in the NRA say so. But then, that's America, and they just elected our Don. Tells you all you need to know right there!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 26 2017, 07:15 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 8 2017, 12:08 PM)

Not whilst the NRA exists, that organisation exerts a fantastic amount of political clout and resists absolutely any curtailing of gun 'rights', look at the row over magazine size, look at the fuss over microstamping. Why does anybody 'need' an AR15? Why does anybody 'need' frangible ammunition? Because the red neck, bubblegum chewing psychopaths in the NRA say so. But then, that's America, and they just elected our Don. Tells you all you need to know right there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39082465

Posted by: On the edge Feb 26 2017, 08:19 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 26 2017, 07:15 AM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39082465

Fascinating insight, these post truth pseudo analysis reports. Like the one I've seen for West Berkshire going against the trend in the referendum. Apparently it was because there were too many options on ballot paper and West Berkshire people can't cope with choice.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 1 2017, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 7 2016, 02:58 PM)

If Trump wins, you can kiss goodbye to the planet. But maybe pulling out of the Paris agreement won't be quite as easy as he makes out.

Oh.....A politician that keeps his word. Worlds media reacts in horror.... I personally don't agree with him but he was elected to do so.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 1 2017, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 1 2017, 10:11 PM)

Oh.....A politician that keeps his word. Worlds media reacts in horror.... I personally don't agree with him but he was elected to do so.

And the people who elected him ie; those in the heartland will be overjoyed. Go Donald! Nice to see him keeping promises.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 24 2017, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 1 2017, 10:36 PM)

And the people who elected him ie; those in the heartland will be overjoyed. Go Donald! Nice to see him keeping promises.

#rocketman #dotard. This is fun. Boom!!! When will the Dotard strike at the Rocketman? Will he tweet it? Conventional weapons. Cruise missile strike on all the Rocketmans launch and Nuclear sites and a MOAB on pyong palace? What will be the response? An attack on Seoul or a Nuclear strike against the US??? Better get your iodine sorted.🚀😱

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 24 2017, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2017, 04:49 PM)

#rocketman #dotard. This is fun. Boom!!! When will the Dotard strike at the Rocketman? Will he tweet it? Conventional weapons. Cruise missile strike on all the Rocketmans launch and Nuclear sites and a MOAB on pyong palace? What will be the response? An attack on Seoul or a Nuclear strike against the US??? Better get your iodine sorted.🚀😱

Odds on favorite is that neither of them is sufficiently barking to actually start a war , ( em , was Blair and Bush ever considered mad ? ) . Maybe it is the sane ones we should fear most . Anyway both have a multitude of advisers to explain the principle of 2+2 equalling 4 , indeed if they are not up to the task they are either fired or shot depending on their respective boss .The one that concerns me is Putin . Here is self made thug who dreams of being a global megalomaniac and would not hesitate in furthering his cause if a weakness appears in the "West's" guard . On a positive note at least it may liven this forum up a bit .

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 24 2017, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 24 2017, 06:25 PM)

Odds on favorite is that neither of them is sufficiently barking to actually start a war , ( em , was Blair and Bush ever considered mad ? ) . Maybe it is the sane ones we should fear most . Anyway both have a multitude of advisers to explain the principle of 2+2 equalling 4 , indeed if they are not up to the task they are either fired or shot depending on their respective boss .The one that concerns me is Putin . Here is self made thug who dreams of being a global megalomaniac and would not hesitate in furthering his cause if a weakness appears in the "West's" guard . On a positive note at least it may liven this forum up a bit .

I think a war is inebitible. They both cant back down now. They would lose tooo much face. I just hope it is a limited exchange. As for this forum .It was killed by the shouts of the libtards such as newres. No point in exchanging views with people who are such dotards.😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 24 2017, 08:12 PM

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 25 2017, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2017, 07:17 PM)

I think a war is inebitible. They both cant back down now. They would lose tooo much face. I just hope it is a limited exchange. As for this forum .It was killed by the shouts of the libtards such as newres. No point in exchanging views with people who are such dotards.😂

Amazed by what one can squander their hard earned money gambling on the outcome of . Nuclear annihilation ? " Yes sir , that will be £100 @ 50:1 that nobody survives " ................ " Good luck ".

On the debating question with regards to this and other forums it is a shame that individuals are held up to ridicule instead of thrashing the subject out in the time honoured manner . Still when the president of the most powerful Country , ( allegedly ) , on the planet uses monosyllabic gibberish , one can sympathise with those who choose to emulate .

Posted by: newres Sep 25 2017, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2017, 07:17 PM)

I think a war is inebitible. They both cant back down now. They would lose tooo much face. I just hope it is a limited exchange. As for this forum .It was killed by the shouts of the libtards such as newres. No point in exchanging views with people who are such dotards.😂

I think you're a bit slow. It's dead at the moment because you've no one to argue with as I'm not posting (much) and neither is Simon Kirby. If what you say is true, in our absence it should be thriving.

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 25 2017, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Sep 25 2017, 03:21 PM)

I think you're a bit slow. It's dead at the moment because you've no one to argue with as I'm not posting (much) and neither is Simon Kirby. If what you say is true, in our absence it should be thriving.

And I can seldom be bothered.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 25 2017, 11:49 PM

It might pick up a little now we got the Monster Rabid Tories back from their safaris!

Posted by: dannyboy Sep 26 2017, 06:01 PM

Forum died a few years back.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 26 2017, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 26 2017, 07:01 PM)

Forum died a few years back.

The good old days. When I said Brexit would happen and Trump would be elected... And I got laughed at.

Posted by: newres Sep 27 2017, 07:06 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 26 2017, 10:56 PM)

The good old days. When I said Brexit would happen and Trump would be elected... And I got laughed at.��

We still laugh at you.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 27 2017, 08:14 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 26 2017, 07:01 PM)

Forum died a few years back.

When the council staff got told to get back to work as there were cuts in the offing.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 27 2017, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 26 2017, 07:01 PM)

Forum died a few years back.

The forum is dead . : Long live the forum.

Posted by: dannyboy Sep 27 2017, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 27 2017, 09:14 AM)

When the council staff got told to get back to work as there were cuts in the offing.

Cuts, What cuts?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 27 2017, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Sep 27 2017, 08:06 AM)

We still laugh at you.

He who laughs last, laughs loudest.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 27 2017, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2017, 07:42 PM)

He who laughs last, laughs loudest.

You been watching JC in action ? Made me laugh anyway

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 27 2017, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 27 2017, 08:49 PM)

You been watching JC in action ? Made me laugh anyway

You'll go to Hades for that, "the lord shall not be mocked".

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 27 2017, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 27 2017, 12:19 PM)

Cuts, What cuts?

Cuts to poor people’s services.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 27 2017, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 27 2017, 09:29 PM)

Cuts to poor people’s services.

So long as it's just poor people. I mean so?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 27 2017, 10:28 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 27 2017, 08:58 PM)

You'll go to Hades for that, "the lord shall not be mocked".

Speaking as someone who can just f**k off and live elsewhere im almost hoping for a Corbyn government. 2 years should be enough to put the next generation off for life. Its almost like a right of passage. The light bulb moment....😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 28 2017, 08:33 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2017, 11:28 PM)

Speaking as someone who can just f**k off and live elsewhere im almost hoping for a Corbyn government. 2 years should be enough to put the next generation off for life. Its almost like a right of passage. The light bulb moment....😂

Apparently some nice properties to be had the other side of the river ( Styx ) . Ferry runs twice a week and no problem with the central heating . It has long been my theory that , with the odd exception , political parties lose elections as opposed to winning them . The present incumbents are less use than the proverbial headless chuck which ,if nothing else ,can at least be eaten. Little doubt Labour will be in power within the next 5 years and the whole cycle of despair starts again . Must go , the estate agent is at the door .

Posted by: The Hatter Sep 28 2017, 12:49 PM

If lots of older people do sell up and go it will mean more homes for us who stay; we just want one.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 28 2017, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Sep 28 2017, 01:49 PM)

If lots of older people do sell up and go it will mean more homes for us who stay; we just want one.

My understanding is that JC , ( he who should never be questioned ) , is going to build a house for everyone when he "sweeps" to power in the next couple of months . OK so Mr and Mrs mortgaged up the hilt will suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the equity fence but at least one problem will be solved .735 to go

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 28 2017, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 28 2017, 04:18 PM)

My understanding is that JC , ( he who should never be questioned ) , is going to build a house for everyone when he "sweeps" to power in the next couple of months . OK so Mr and Mrs mortgaged up the hilt will suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the equity fence but at least one problem will be solved .735 to go

He won't. He can't. He won't be able to borrow the 💰. No sane institution or government would lend it. And if he did manage to borrow the hundreds of billions he needs for his delusions then it would be at a crippling percentage. So in a nutshell he is safe saying anything. Free unicorns? Why not? He can blame the IMF when he can't deliver.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 28 2017, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 28 2017, 04:38 PM)

He won't. He can't. He won't be able to borrow the 💰. No sane institution or government would lend it. And if he did manage to borrow the hundreds of billions he needs for his delusions then it would be at a crippling percentage. So in a nutshell he is safe saying anything. Free unicorns? Why not? He can blame the IMF when he can't deliver.

Bugger it ! Just ordered a one horned horse from Amazon .

I agree totally with your sentiment but convincing the great unwashed is another matter .

Posted by: The Hatter Sep 28 2017, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 28 2017, 06:23 PM)

Bugger it ! Just ordered a one horned horse from Amazon .

I agree totally with your sentiment but convincing the great unwashed is another matter .

If responses here are trying to do that I can see you have a problem.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 28 2017, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Sep 28 2017, 06:31 PM)

If responses here are trying to do that I can see you have a problem.

Can you write that again please, this time in English would be nice.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 28 2017, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 28 2017, 07:44 PM)

Can you write that again please, this time in English would be nice.

I think the Hatter is saying that newres and co are barking mad. But we know that. Ooooooohh Jeremy Corrrrbyn.... Worst thing is I actually find myself humming the **** thing.

But hey what do the middle aged and old know? Taxing robots??? I do know thats not the answer...😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 28 2017, 09:26 PM

The right-wing humpbacks have the advantage over the left-wing snowies because the left has too many parties. For Corbyn to win, the humpbacks would have to stay at home, so the humpies will have to get the timing right to dump Mrs Pinocchio.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 28 2017, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 28 2017, 10:26 PM)

The right-wing humpbacks have the advantage over the left-wing snowies because the left has too many parties. For Corbyn to win, the humpbacks would have to stay at home, so the humpies will have to get the timing right to dump Mrs Pinocchio.

Not quite sure what you're taking at the moment but be a luv and share!

Posted by: dannyboy Sep 28 2017, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 27 2017, 09:29 PM)

Cuts to poor people’s services.

What has that got to do with council staff having to get back to work?

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 29 2017, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 28 2017, 11:15 PM)

What has that got to do with council staff having to get back to work?

Need to look busy while the government and council remove entitlements from the vulnerable; doesn’t look good.

However, I wasn’t being completely serious.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 29 2017, 08:25 AM

"Quot homines, tot sententiae" as they say in the local comp . Must be a depressing place to live where opinions are controlled by the state but I wonder how many realise that, as far as freedom of speech goes ,it is an earned privilege not a given right . One only has to witness the vociferous outpourings of the baying faithful to see that we are very near to the return of censorship in the spoken and written word .Even the good old Newbury Forum has a beady eye perusing our opinions . The fact that it is a robot makes it even more alarming .

Posted by: dannyboy Sep 29 2017, 11:59 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 29 2017, 08:53 AM)

Need to look busy while the government and council remove entitlements from the vulnerable; doesn’t look good.

However, I wasn’t being completely serious.

Oh I see - not having much to do with the local authority you had me at a disadvantage there. I thought you were privy so some information denied the rest of us.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 30 2017, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 29 2017, 12:59 PM)

Oh I see - not having much to do with the local authority you had me at a disadvantage there. I thought you were privy so some information denied the rest of us.

He was just acting like an oxygen thief.

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 30 2017, 12:29 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Sep 29 2017, 12:59 PM)

Oh I see - not having much to do with the local authority you had me at a disadvantage there. I thought you were privy so some information denied the rest of us.

You don’t need Kojak to find reports of the Monster Raping Tory’s throttling local settlement budgets and its affects on the wretched.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 30 2017, 12:57 PM

Hmm, still stealing oxygen then?

Posted by: The Hatter Sep 30 2017, 01:43 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 30 2017, 01:29 PM)

You don’t need Kojak to find reports of the Monster Raping Tory’s throttling local settlement budgets and its affects on the wretched.

Its almost as if there is a penalty for electing a Conservative MP with a big majority; I suppose they think they can get away with it.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 30 2017, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Sep 30 2017, 02:43 PM)

Its almost as if there is a penalty for electing a Conservative MP with a big majority; I suppose they think they can get away with it.

Shouldn't be allowed 👏

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Sep 30 2017, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 30 2017, 03:08 PM)

Shouldn't be allowed

Yep. If your not voting Corbyn you should be barred from voting. The supreme leader will lead the people to a land of milk and honey where all the trains run on time, the NHS is fully staffed, all prescriptions are free, university degrees are free and everyone gets a living wage. Power to the people.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 30 2017, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 30 2017, 06:46 PM)

Yep. If your not voting Corbyn you should be barred from voting. The supreme leader will lead the people to a land of milk and honey where all the trains run on time, the NHS is fully staffed, all prescriptions are free, university degrees are free and everyone gets a living wage. Power to the people.

Communism for all, not just the few! Still might get a job on one of the new collectives, if I'm deemed politically reliable.

Posted by: The Hatter Sep 30 2017, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 30 2017, 06:46 PM)

Yep. If your not voting Corbyn you should be barred from voting. The supreme leader will lead the people to a land of milk and honey where all the trains run on time, the NHS is fully staffed, all prescriptions are free, university degrees are free and everyone gets a living wage. Power to the people.

That is a bit of an over reaction. In Wales and Scotland prescriptions are free and in Scotland there are no University fees so it's not much of a leap for Labour. Why shouldn't we have the same as Scotland even now.