Judge James Bahen said Thursday that the three year minimum term enacted in 2008 for possession of a loaded, prohibited firearm violates both section 12 and section seven of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

But Bahen said he still needs to hear from Crown about whether those Charter breaches should impact the sentence of Glenn Harley Sheck, convicted of carrying a loaded Glock inside his Louis Vuitton man purse two years ago.

Bahen put the case over to Jan. 21 and invited the Crown to argue under Section one of the Charter, which says there are reasonable limits on some constitutional rights.

“Evidence heard in the context of a Section one application by the Crown may provide the basis to justify the constitutional breaches in this case and thereby preserve the effect of the mandatory minimum,” Bahen said.

Sheck turned and smiled several times at relatives and supporters in courtroom 107 Thursday as Bahen read out his findings.

The ruling was a first in B.C. against the tough mandatory firearms sentences enacted four years ago, though the mandatory minimum terms in Section 95 of the criminal code have been ruled unconstitutional in several Ontario cases now under appeal.

Bahen accepted arguments from Sheck’s lawyers that there are problems with the legislation because it requires a three-year minimum when the Crown proceeds by way of direct indictment, while allowing a minimum one year sentence if the Crown proceeds summarily in less serious cases.

“I conclude that the gap of two years in the structure of sentencing for section 95 offences creates an arbitrary and fundamentally unjust sentencing process in violation of section seven,” Bahen said.

“If the applicant were sentenced for this offence based on the facts of the offence and his personal circumstances, without the mandatory minimum provision, I would impose a sentence that is less than three years.”

Bahen also said the legislation violates Section 12 of the Charter which protects against cruel and unusual punishment. But he also said that in the circumstances of Sheck’s conviction, a three-year sentence would be “harsh and excessive,” but “not cruel and unusual punishment.”

Bahen said several times that he was not criticizing the decision by B.C. prosecutors to proceed by way of direct indictment in Sheck’s case. The problem is with the “legislative framework,” he said.

Sheck, 31, was arrested by the Gang Task Force on Nov. 4, 2010 after they got a tip he was carrying the loaded prohibited handgun.

Police were watching him as he left his house, stopped briefly at another residence, then drove to the Earl’s on 152nd in Surrey about 7:10 pm.

“There were numerous customers and staff inside at that time of the evening,” Bahen said in Thursday’s ruling.

“The presence of a loaded gun readily accessible in a busy restaurant are sufficiently serious to conclude the sentence of three years may be excessive and harsh but not cruel and unusual.”

Bahen said Thursday that evidence from a voir dire in Sheck’s case, summarized in a ruling last year, was not admissible at Sheck’s sentencing.

It included details of an RCMP investigation in the attempted murder of Sheck’s former spouse’s new boyfriend and the fact Sheck was a suspect at the time though was never charged.

Bahen said Sheck had no prior criminal record, a support family and good work prospects.

No evidence of Sheck’s gang associations was presented during his sentencing hearing. Last fall, outside court, he chatted with gangster Sukh Dhak, who stopped by the Surrey courthouse despite not having a scheduled appearance. Dhak was later gunned down in Burnaby.

Both Dhak and Sheck attended the May 2012 funeral in Surrey of international cocaine smuggler Tom Gisby, who was shot to death in Mexico.

I am of the opnion that the war on drugs is a failure. While it is illegal I shall continue to reap the profits from this black market. I grow marijuana and do not involve myself in cross border smuggling. With that said I will debate anyone on my career choice.

me too and i agree with u , mandatory sentences for 6 plants is going to do nothing but put way too much pressure on the courts especially after march 2014 when no more medical growers allowed . we are all going to continue and fight in court . great post

That photo was taken by our photographer and already posted after Gisby’s funeral. It was a public event related to a high-profile organized criminal who was murdered and we were entitled to cover it. We can’t control who chose to go.

First of all, I don’t know the age of the person in the photo and neither do you. Secondly, you are talking about two different things – what the media reports/photographs and your desire to have police release photos of gangsters, which they generally don’t do.

My paper publishes as many gangster photos as we can take or obtain. And we cover news-worthy events like this funeral, where we published photos of ALL the attendees, whether they were gangsters or family, neighbours. etc. So we are consistent in our approach and always try to provide the public with as much information as possible.

ok , i get that but when there was a DR thing a few months ago we get a video game logo modified to the wolf pack gang sign. I’m only guessing, but you don’t have a picture of a guy like that , who has been in the middle of shit forever ? He comes on here constantly trying to be famous and was shot up in a restaurant once already. i suggest the public deserves to know what he looks like .

Yet another bull shit rambling of stupidity from ur ignorant mouth. Would love to see u run ur mouth to one of these guys. Lol. Then come back and talk ur bull shit, least then I’d half believe u’ve got this ‘big slong’ u’ve talked about. Fucking dumb ass.

judges were doing what they were supposed to be doing. The politicians passed minimums to cater to the naive brain dead voter who believes that violence and crime is out of control and nobody ever goes to jail in canada because they happen to read a few articles in the paper where some guy who had previous convictions happened to not be sent to jail on new ones no matter how petty the crime was. They feel all up in arms and Harper and conservatives cater to those people. To even think a politician can pass a one size fits all law is a slap in the face to judges everywhere who have studied law their whole lives and know the system and know what an appropriate sentence is.

Can someone please tell me if glen shrek was/is in the process if turning his life around? If so could some loser friend/ mother/brother/girlfriend please enlighten us all with a touching fairy take please? It is bed time and I am in desperate need of a funny story and a few good laughs before I fall asleep laughing my ass off. Thanks in advance to the moron that believes the crap that shall be spewed henceforth.

I haven’t seen the prime minister thump any bible and personally I don’t think attacking their appearance is appropriate either. We still live in a country where people are free to practice their religion without persecution.

If you don’t like government policy then write your member of parliament and vote for someone else but you don’t have to be such a bully about it.

I’m not buying it. Fire men don’t do this. Look at the picture and tell me those aren’t some of the biggest cons around. Some one is getting some entertainment. Those posts should be deleted because it looks like they represent the Surrey Fire Departments opinion.

I used to be just like this glen sheck goof. Glen is a wannabe gangster not a real gangster. Serious guys don’t like the attention. This guy is just like the other 95% of wannabe gangsters. Pop pills because they have no guts sober,act crazy as long as they can,then when they get charged just rat on anyone they can. Usually one of there wannabe gangster friends. Get out of the life of being a gangster because you are not a gangster. You are a wannabe gangster goof.

Kim the only reason why I have a problem with the article is you making the comments about him shaking hands with suk making it sound like hes part of his gang, maybe he is I don’t know , I do know his kids go to the same elemantary school as mine , I’ve never seen him but I heard from other parents…… I think if there is any chance he could be targeted for being suk associatte you should delete that end part of the article unless you have proof or any evidence, sorry we don’t really want to have a shooting at a school if he happens to pick up his kids!!!!!!!!! it seems like anyone that is written about attached to him gets killed in a very public place…. Do you think its possible that saying that in the article could put his life in danger? and its not fair to say he shouldn’t have shaken his hand , lots of people know people from high school etc… I’ve shaken someones hand before not because I wanted too, because people would find it disrepectful and I’m not the type of person who looks for problems..

I think you are being ridiculous. You are posting more information about his life than I posted (mentioning the kids, etc.) The kids don’t live with him. I don’t know how well Sheck knew Dhak. All i reported was that they chatted outside the courtroom back in Sept. and that both were at the funeral of Tom Gisby last May.

Hey firefighter, you’re worried about glen being associated with a street boss while everyone knows he was in tight with a real boss who had been moving big things since the late 80’s. stfu and go save a cat from a tree or go to save on foods with your dingaling bells and your dress up uniforms and go flirt with the non milf cashiers that work there. Better yet , go wear another FDNY 9-11 t’shirt you fucking hero

no, but when i fucked all their wives they sure got cranky, in between driving the fire truck to pickup groceries, or pickup starbucks or dry cleaning, on tax payers money or washing their range rovers or porcshes in the fire hall parking lot, they have no time to service the old ladies- some of who actually start to look like big heavy hogs after a while- hence the firemen hitting on non milf cashiers everywhere….best one was my nieghbour fireman, he would leave for late nite shift then his young old lady would be screaming another name while getting banged by some other fireman, so i did the duty and would bang her during his day shifts, lucky no paternity tests done, phew, aftr she dropped 2 she became one of those big heavy ugly hogs u see,

@ Surrey Fire Department this is an excerpt from the trial of Glen Sheck

R. v. Sheck, 2012 BCPC 39 (CanLII)

The investigation by police that culminated in the gun seizure began on November 3, 2010, when the police received information from a confidential informant source. The informant told a police officer that the accused was regularly or frequently carrying a firearm in a black or beige Louis Vuitton man purse. The police received this information within the context of an earlier and ongoing police investigation of a conspiracy to commit murder. In June 2010, someone had attempted to murder Chris Wasilewicz by shooting him six times. Wasilewicz was in a relationship with a woman who was the former spouse of the accused Glenn Sheck. After June 2010, Wasilewicz had survived the shooting but police were continuing to investigate the incident as a suspected conspiracy to commit murder.

[6] When the informant made the disclosure to police on November 3, 2010, regarding Glenn Sheck’s regular or frequent possession of a firearm in a man purse, the informant’s disclosed information also led the police to conclude that there was currently an active plot to murder Chris Wasilewicz. …

lol so when they grabbed the purse, and then opened it somewhere miraculously there was a glock in the man purse, just like the HA at the airport, who had the snub nose gun stuck in his bag by transport canada personel running the gun smuggle test, let me guess the serial number was rubbed off and the gun was never tested to see if it fired….afrikaneer tricks for dumb zombies

hey kim, i was reading this article in the province and came across a story on dec.22/2012 about how police received a tip and 4 men were arrested in langley with weapons 204th and 90th walnut grove. two with gang ties charged. you hear about this wondering who they are?

I have police as friends fyi, I have plenty of them , my wife is a 911 dispatcher. A lot of cops don’t agree with the laws also. I hear plenty of them talk all the time. There are police out there that are good people and do care and there are plenty that don’t care and joke around about gangsters getting killed and laugh all day about it. I could careless about any gangster getting killed that caused harm to people. If they need to change the laws to catch them than they should. I think the lower mainland has seen enough death in the last few years and if there is a chance that a news article could cause someones death without proof they are conducting business with eachother it shouldn’t be aloud. I think as soon as this guy’s life was in danger he should have had police protection like the bacons did and they should of gone after the person threatning his life… our tax dollars wouldn’t be wasted in court case after court case for a bull shit charge. Why hasen’t anyone been charged in the threats against his life? It just sounds greasy to me , Let me warn you that your life is in danger, but not offer any protection and than charge him for carry a gun to protect himself.. sounds like a set up to me… or maybe our system is that screwed.

Many people have received threats (including me) but it certainly doesn’t justify breaking the law and carrying a loaded prohibited firearm into a crowded restaurant. He is now convicted and he is going to go to jail. The only thing left to be determined is how much time he will spend behind bars.

He ain’t going to jail get your sh$t straight miss #1 reporter didn’t you hear the judgment ? and if the cops tell me my life is in danger and there’s ppl plotting to murder me I’m getting a gun and a vest and I’m gonna pop anyone trying to take my life !! And I’m legit as they come :) you are constantly putting innocent ppl in danger just to sell papers or sorry “to inform the public of the events in the lower mainland gang war” haha ur a joke

Yes, he is going to jail – the only issue is whether he will get the mandatory minimum of 3 years (which the judge ruled is unconstitutional generally, but not specifically in this case – and therefore wants more arguments) OR a lesser sentence. The judge said that if there was no mandatory minimum, he would have sentenced Sheck to between 1 and 3 years, which is what the defence lawyer argued was appropriate. And the whole thing about reporting on a case endangering someone is just crap. Sheck’s “threats” were long before I had ever written about him. His decision to carry a loaded illegal gun into an Earl’s was LONG before I ever wrote about him. I am legally entitled to cover these proceedings and will continue to do so despite continual harassment from the pro-Sheck lobby.

It appals me that you are a fireman where by it is your job to save lives and you said you could care less about any gangster getting killed that has caused harm to people. Are you saying that if my loved one is a gang member and you are on scene as the one to help save his life that you won’t do your job as well as if the victim isn’t a gang member? If your answer is yes, quit your job. You are the very type of person our society doesn’t need working beside, with and in law enforcement. The corruption starts with this God complex that you also have. You are no better than the person pulling the trigger… Since when do 2 wrongs make a right. Evil breeds evil. It doesn’t matter what someone has done it doesn’t give anyone the right to act on the same level. I’m sick that my tax dollars pay your salary.

Sorry I ment when I read about gangsters getting killed that have caused harm to people I don’t feel bad at all. I have performed CPR on a gangster okay so no need to say my beliefs would effect my work. If I’m on the job I will do anything I have to save someones life regardless of who or what they did, at the end of the day I’m entilted to feel how ever I want. But for the record if your black , white, yellow , brown , gangster , cop etc doesn’t matter who you are I will do anything in my power to save that person on or off duty and you she be ashamed of yourself to talk about someone that has risked his own life to safe others mulitple times!

Hey fireman – I commend you for your work and I agree that no one deserves to die violently, even if they live a gangster life. However, you are a bit touchy about criticism considering the many attacks you levelled at me today.

risked your life? Whenever 1st responders are called to the scene of a violent emergency the police need to secure the scene prior to your help being administered even if it takes 45 minutes while someone is dying with a bullet in their head. Fire and Ambulance waits outside, first rule of 1st aid is keep yourself safe

I’m finding it really hard to believe that you are a fire fighter. What sort of education is required to be a fire fighter in Surrey? You can’t even spelled ‘allowed’ and your grammar is terrible. Use a few paragraph returns for Christ’s sake.

If you’re a fire fighter and so chummy with police you ought to know that:

1) they did not provide personal protection to the Bacon family (the Abby cops put a video camera on their block for the peace of mind of the neighbours and to catch any criminal activity the brothers might get up to)
2) The police do not have the resources to personally protect every dirt bag gangster who gets a threat
3) most gangsters would not welcome a police guard
4) you should not be speaking on behalf of the entire Surrey Fire Department unless you are the top fire fighter in Surrey or the approved media liaison
5) what cops think privately and what they are willing to say publically are not always the same
6) #5 should be true for fire fighters too (those that are bright enough not to threaten award winning reporters online)

1 I did not threaten anyone , for the record. And you are wrong they did with the bacons 24hr video camera and police escort , not sure how long it was for but they did so get your facts straight.
2. it doesn’t matter who gets threatned they don’t offer security, unless your the bacon brothers
3. gangster shouldn’t have a choice , just like the bacons didn’t
4. I’m not speaking on behalf of the surrey fire department, I work for them and this is a public blog
5. NO SHIT
6. I did not even come close to a threat against kim. So go make up some more bs….

You’re wrong they did surveillance on the Bacon’s. That is not the same as 24 hr protection.

You really are a simple person aren’t you? First you bitch and complain that cops have violated Glen Sheck’s constitutional rights by taking his gun out of his murse and now you say that gangsters should have no right to refuse police protection?????

Seriously, I am amazed that anyone as stupid as you appear to be is a fire fighter. You’re shitting me right? You’re just a buddy of Sheck aren’t you? You probably work at 7-Eleven.

Jamie Bacon (and on occasion Jon) were BRIEFLY followed by police before he was arrested in the Surrey Six murders (and filed a harassment suit against Abby PD over being followed!!)

That was a decision made to protect the rest of the public – not Bacon (see Feb story below.)

Here are a couple of my stories from that period – note that there was no protection in Jan. 2009, despite the police warning seven months earlier. For the record, threatening to post a reporter’s address and other details of their life could be perceived as a threat, but I accept your explanation that you didn’t intend it to be:

The youngest of a trio of notorious Abbotsford brothers narrowly escaped death Tuesday after his vehicle was targeted in a wild rush-hour shooting at a busy Abbotsford intersection.

Jamie Bacon, 23, was wearing body armour when gunmen in another car opened fire on his black Mercedes at the corner of South Fraser Way and Sumas Way about 3:50 p.m., hitting the leased luxury sedan several times.

One bullet hit another car that happened to be passing, though no one was injured, Abbotsford police Const. Casey Vinet confirmed.

Vinet said it is amazing no one was hurt in the brazen shooting.

“We are concerned about the public nature of this shooting,” he said. “It is intolerable … somebody could have easily been injured.”

“There is a public safety issue absolutely,” he said. “It is one of the main thoroughfares. At 10 to four in the afternoon, there would have been a fair bit of traffic coming and going.”

Abbotsford Mayor George Peary said he was in a police board meeting when he learned of the shooting, near a strip mall that houses a popular Save-On Foods.

The public gunplay is extremely troubling, said Peary.

“It is a matter of great concern to myself and our citizens,” he said. “This family of three boys seem intent on wreaking havoc.”

He pointed to the extraordinary public warning issued by the B.C. Integrated Gang Task Force last May saying the Bacons were targets of death threats and anyone near them could get caught in the crossfire.

“It’s frustrating because among our citizens, public safety is a very high priority,” Peary said. “They want to be safe as they move about the community and of course, with bullets flying, there is trepidation.”

He said the police are doing everything they can to control the violence, including camera surveillance on the Bacon family home on Strathcona Crescent in Abbotsford.

“They are policed as much as possible,” he said, adding he will get a full briefing from police on the incident, likely today.

Jamie Bacon, who is facing a series of gun and drug charges, was briefly detained after the shooting but is not cooperating with investigators. He was later released.

The Mercedes, which was riddled with bullet holes, was found a few blocks from where the shooting occurred, crashed into the concrete stairs in front of a Keg restaurant. Bacon had apparently bailed out of the car to flee his attackers.

Vinet said he could not identify the intended shooting target, but The Sun has learned it was Jamie, who with middle brother Jarrod is facing 24 firearms and drug counts laid last May 31 — the same day as the police warning was issued.

As one of his bail conditions, Bacon must live at his parents’ Strathcona Court home, where shootings occurred in 2002 and 2006. Eldest brother Jonathan was nearly killed in the 2006 shooting.

A Surrey shooting in 2007 also targeted the brothers.

Just last Friday, Jamie and his two brothers, as well as an associate, were stopped by Abbotsford Police at the busy Sevenoaks Mall after mall security thought one of them had a gun. No weapon was found, but one of the brothers was wearing body armour.

The brothers, who are closely aligned to the Red Scorpion gang, have been the target of death threats by rivals in the United Nations gang. Just three weeks ago, an associate named Dennis Karbovanec was wounded in a New Year’s Eve shooting and showed up at Mission Memorial Hospital wearing a bullet-proof vest. He is also before the courts on gun charges laid last October.

Police here have targeted the notorious Bacon brothers by getting their car leases revoked and having them kicked out of restaurants and community gyms, Chief Bob Rich said Monday.

Rich told hundreds of people at a public forum that his force is doing everything it can to protect the community from those who want the gangster brothers dead.

“They are not welcome because they bring huge risk,” Rich said to applause.

He said other measures are being taken that he could not disclose, but took the unusual step of releasing some details to reassure neighbours of the Bacon family.

Rich said the unprecedented public danger resulting from death threats to the three gangster siblings has led police to their house more than 200 times since last September.

Jamie and Jarrod Bacon, the two youngest brothers, face a series of gun and drug charges and are out on bail.

An attempt was made on Jamie’s life at a busy intersection two weeks ago. The shooter missed.

Rich said police started following the Bacons this week in a marked car to head off another public shooting.

And he said police installed surveillance cameras at their Strathcona Court house as a deterrence to would-be killers.

“If gang members were going to try to kill one of the Bacon brothers, they wouldn’t do it there,” Rich said.

He said the fact that two of the brothers are required to live at their parents’ home puts everyone nearby at risk.

“We asked the court to reconsider their bail conditions,” Rich said, adding that the court refused to revoke the bail. “We are going to try again based on this recent shooting.”

Rich said that over the last week, police sent letters to companies that leased cars to the Bacons laying out their concerns and the companies repossessed the cars.

He said police have gone to gyms and community centres to tell them to keep the public safe by not letting the Bacons or their associates use them. He hopes a bail condition will be added to restrict their entry to public places.

Rich said three of the vehicles seized from the Bacons by police were armoured.

“They have all been taken off the road,” Rich said.

Jamie, Jarrod and Jonathan Bacon are all associated with the Red Scorpion gang, members of which are suspects in the Surrey Six slaughter.

Families of two innocent men killed in the gangland massacre attended the forum.

Eileen Mohan lost her son Chris, while Lois Schellenberg’s husband Ed was killed.

Schellenberg’s brother-in-law Steve Brown said the courts should not be releasing anyone who is a public threat.

“There are people who are out on the streets who in any other jurisdiction in the world would be locked up,” Brown said.

Mohan thanked the organizers for the event.

“Seeing you all here makes me realize I do not stand alone,” Mohan said. “I think criminals have more rights than ordinary people . . . . we lived very innocently beside gang members.”

Mayor George Peary thanked Mohan and called her “courageous” for her activism against gangs.

Peary announced a special task force to reduce crime.

The mayor said he hopes to “parlay the gunplay of the last few weeks into something more substantial.”

“We know drugs are at the core,” he said. “Let’s see if we can remove some of the causes.”

He acknowledged that many involved don’t want to cooperate with police. “I am going to enlist the support of all the citizens,” Peary said.

The overflow crowd expressed frustration at the violence in the streets. Two weeks ago, there were four shootings in six days.

The gang problem overall is out of control in the Fraser Valley, Rich said.

“It has gotten right in front of us dramatically worse,” Rich said. “We are not doing enough yet.”

They were briefly followed to protect public safety, as I stated and documented. They were not “protected” 24/7 as you claimed. And are you saying your friend Glenn wanted the police to protect him 24/7? That certainly has not been stated in court. Nor has a judge accepted any self-defence arguments. So you are very misinformed about this case.

There are limits on freedom of speech. You are an anonymous person on this site. I am a named person who takes responsibility for this site. It is not about opinions I like or dislike. If you think making rude comments about me is a worthy freedom of speech endeavor, start your own site dedicated to the cause.

hey kim why do certain chumps from the south side of vancouver always get their names or initials deleted from this blog even when they are convicts and have many convictions against thm.. I know you delete peoples names who have no criminal record but why do u delete these guys names when they have several cinvictions?

If I am reporting on someone, I obviously include their names. I only delete names if people are being accused of crimes or other improper conduct for which they have neither been charged, nor convicted (even if they have a record for something else.) And I erase names from comments when there is a complaint. I ask people not to post full names and many do it anyway. Having said that, I do leave as much up as I can.

If someone is writing about the case they were convicted in, no problem with full names. Or if a crew/gang generally is linked to a murder by a commenter on here, no problem. But to say some convicted cocaine trafficker (name here) also killed Sally, Bobby and Billy is a problem if they haven’t been charged or IDed as a suspect in the murders in any way. Hopefully I am explaining this in a clear enough way.

I read the ruling , they violated his rights!! I’m against guns, violence and gangs. I’m not against the mandatory sentence either. I don’t like the cops bending the rules and violating someones rights so they can lay charges because hes a suspect in an attempted murder, sounds like a load of shit, hes a suspect but not charged.. It clearly said his life was in danger and if someones life is in danger you should be able to carry a gun or the police should give you 24 hour security, they were obviously failing to protect him, if my life was in danger with a serious threat I would probably carry one also if the police weren’t doing anything to protect me. I think its ridiculious. If this guy is a bad dude they should do things by the book and arrest him and send him away, Hey kim could you correct me if I’m wrong, when reading the court ruling it sounded like his rights were violated ? I’m also curious why its relevant to say he was seen chatting with suk at the court house? You said there was no evidence of his gang association preseneted in court. are you suggesting he was part of his gang? Alot of people I went to school with went down the wrong roads, I rarely see any of them but once in awhile I will see someone at the mall or a safeway etc and they or I will say hi , my point being would you suggest I’m in a gang if I’m seen shaking hands with a crimminal? will the cops think I’m in a gang because I shake hands with someone? I just think making a comment like that is suggesting he was in his gang or a part of it etc my point is , don’t you think a comment like that could indanger his life? if suks associates are wanted dead? If you had any evidence that they were involved in illegal activity together I apologize…. if not maybe its not fair to the family and friends who’s lives could be indanger over something as silly as that. Please don’t confuse me with someone who supports these people because I don’t, I think the laws should be changed , bring the death penalty back and usa sentences for drugs etc and all these guys that think they are a bad ass gangster would crumble… or be locked up long term…. keeping our streets safer

I’m not sure but from the sounds of it they leave you to fend for yourself. Maybe kim knows ? if they warn you someone wants to kill you to they offer protection KIM?? How come the bacons got 24 hour security and 24 hour sercurity cameras outside their house?

I’m no gangster , so if my life was threatned would I be elgible for police protection ? I just don’t understand how are system works police come up to you warn you someone is trying to kill you, offer no protection? make it illegal for you to wear body armour and to carry a gun to defend yourself? doesn’t something sound wrong here kim???

That is how the system works. You might be able to get a body armour permit if police had warned you about threats and you have no criminal involvement. Body armour is not completed banned. You just have to have a permit to have it. Police don’t have the resources to protect someone 24/7, but they will offer security suggestions for someone under threat.

do you agree with the system kim? doesn’t really seem fair , you only live once . You should be able to protect yourself, Someone needs to step up and the laws need to be changed …., they offer security suggestions for someone under threat? like what , what if you don’t have money to relocate yourself? how come the cops had money to protect the bacons 24 hours a day? They were obviously way worse than this guy and people are trying to kill them and they offer protection to people way worse??? how did they have the resources to protect the bacons ???? So I guess they are more important than everyone else???

This has just changed my opinion about reporting crimes done by these dangerous gangsters. We are not safe. Our government does not protect us. The laws are focused more on protecting the criminals than the victims. The lunatics run the asylum.

Here we go again with the Glen Sheck defenders. What I think does not matter. It’s about the law. Sheck was convicted of carrying a loaded prohibited handgun into a busy restaurant. If he was really worried about his safety, what was he doing in the restaurant?

would you be upset if someone did a title search of your name and posted online your address ? I guess its public knowledge and anyone can spend 10 dollars and do it. I’m just curious how that would make you feel? I know you haven’t done anything wrong , You never answered my question about why you would include that he was seen shaking hands with suk? do you have any evidence that he was invovled in crimminal activity with him? if so please let us know??? if he wasn’t involved in any crimminal activity with him and wasn’t part of his gang? why would you put him and his family in danger by writing that part in ??? and please don’t try saying thats not what your suggesting, because anyone who reads thats would assume it. I’m not trying to stick up for this guy, if he is involved in illegal activity why isin’t there charges against him? It just kinda disgusts me that that guy is put out to hang by our community when his life was clearly in danger and the cops didnt’ do anything about it? I haven’t read anything about this guy that he was a crimminal besides carrying a gun to protect his own life. If you have any proof that he is a drug dealer? or involved in organized crime? please inform us? if not you should maybe edit your article

The evidence of his criminality is his criminal conviction. That’s the only reason I am covering his case. No one is hanging him out to dry. He had his trial and now he will be sentenced. That is how our system works. I have never published his address or even the area in which he lives, so I am not sure what you’re talking about on that front.

I don’t think you’re a firefighter, but if you are I wonder what the brass would think about your comments on this blog?

You keep saying you’re not defending the guy but you are.

He has gang associations. That much is clear. He was convicted of possession of a restricted loaded firearm in a public place. He attended the funeral of a well-known gangster with other well-known gangsters and he met with and shook hands with another one at the court house. He wasn’t hiding his associations, so what’s your problem?

re-give a dog a bone
not in anyway am I defending this guy, if the cops didn’t bend the rules and followed proper procedure they could of done it within the law. I’m upset because if the cops warn you your life is in danger they don’t offer protection and thats obviously why this guy had a gun. Why did the bacons get 24 hour police protection????? maybe if the cops gave this guy protection he wouldn’t of been carrying a gun obviously and if the cops new about a serious threat on his life why didn’t the cops arrest the people threanting his life. I would be okay with them locking him away for 30 years for an illegal firearm, from the sounds of things he didn’t have a choice to be able to defend himself and that bothers me, because that means “tax paying citizens like myself if we were ever in danger the police wouldn’t offer protection and we wouldn’t be able to defend ourself. I don’t think its fair to associatte him to someone else from a hand shake, i’ve shaken gangsters hand plenty of times, I’ve performed cpr on a gangster, we get called to alot of things being a fireman and would hate to be labeled with out just cause…. and I don’t think anyone would care about my department would care about any of my comments I would be happy to email kim and let her know my name and job location…… just leave a comment that you want me to kim and I will……….

How do you expect policeto be able to provide close personal protection to every gangster whose life is threatened? You call yourself a fire fighter, but you don’t seem to understand the first thing about the resources available to the police service.

Who should pay for this protection? Is it every tax payers problem that these guys choose to kill each other? Why do you think his life was in danger?

You don’t seem really up on the details of this case. This guy didn’t ask the police for protection (though as a close friend of so many cops I’m sure you know they don’t have the resources to provide that protection anyway.) Police didn’t “bend the rules” in this case. THe police conduct was upheld as constitutional when Sheck tried to get the gun tossed as evidence in the voir dire. Read the ruling, if you like: http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/canlii.php?search=Sheck+and+Glenn&id=&startDate=&endDate=

I’m with Blame it on the rain on this one.
I guess we can add you to the list of corruptibles. I commend your value for human life but you are drinking the koolaid.
Protection should be offered to people who legitimately need it, people who have been victimized by criminals and its not. Maybe if the system wasn’t so depleted by tax evading gangsters we might have more of these resources available.

The Bacons did not get police protection as the RCMP would like you to believe. They were doing 24/7 surveillance and that is the only reason they were following them. Do you really think they needed the cops protection? lol If that’s what the cops were doing then the sure did fail at their job. Jon Bacon is gunned down in a public place, in broad daylight with no arrests made, Jamie Bacon has been shot at numerous times with no arrests made…. So if the cops were there for protection then how did that happen? I think its more like what the Surrey fireguy says… the RCMP have a good laugh and probably know even before it happens and maybe even watch.

Back in the early/mid 90’s we had the MR RCMP come to our house and warn us that word on the st was someone was out to shoot us for some stupid things we were involved/done to them. They just said watch out and didn’t do anything else.

Those guy did come to our house but I don’t think they were prepared for the bum rush. No guns where drawn and they took off.

The “USA sentences” and death penalty sure have done wonders down there. They have the highest murder and violent crime rates in the western world.
Meanwhile, in Canada, the murder rate is the lowest in close to 50 years and the overall crime rate has been in steady decline since the early 80’s.

There are at least 10 states down there that have less gun crime then Canada and next to no gun laws according to stats for 2011. Canada has no reason to be smug. Also what we never hear of is how many lives have been saved due to carrying firearms. In Canada we bury the good and the bad walk. At least down there there are a few badguys that get buried.

Then implement a rule that if these people, who dont get put in jail for a madatory sentence, go out and murder someone else then the judge who overturned the case can be convicted of failure to protect the public and hammer them with some sentence. I am all for rehabilitation but when these judges hand soft sentences or overturn rulings to these idiots that are obviously heading right back out to do it again, someone needs to be held accountable…..

Your post reveals a remarkable ignorance of our legal system. Go back and get your highschool diploma with an “A” average and then complete your undergrad degree with a 3.75 GPA or higher and try to get into a lawschool. If you graduate, pass your bar and get hired at a good lawfirm. After a distinguished 15-20 year law career you might become a lower-court judge.Eventually,after proving yourself you might move to a higher court and become involved in important legal issues and cases.
I love how people think they know more than judges.

He is saying the crime is bad, but the guy is not the worst kind of offender, based on his history and prospects for rehabilitation. So he said he would have given the guy between 1 and 3 years if there was no mandatory minimum.

Putting in Mandatory sentences takes power from our judges and puts it in hands of our politicians who have no legal authority over our laws. Strong evidence points to this style of system and does not work at all. Jail was and is supposed to be a last resort at rehabilitating people who have commited many crimes. This has been apparent in the US judicial system and has led to many corrupt cases, innocent people being locked away for their whole life over nothing more then a mistake and massive decreases in tax coffers. The Harper government sold contracts to their friends so they can build private prisions for profit, legislation that they passed quietly three years ago. In order for those prisions to make a profit they need to fill them. Hence mandatory sentences. In this case, its a bitter irony that someone like this guy gets off because of a constituional loop hole. But the people to blame are the people who passed such stupid laws. Judges are starting to see that they need tougher sentences, taking that power out of their hands and into a bunch of narrasistic politicians is not the answer.

It wasn’t just a gun. The law says the gun has to be loaded, prohibited or restricted, or unloaded and near ammunition for the mandatory minimum to kick in. Prior to 2008 when the new minimums came into effect, people got between 1 and 2.5 years for similar conduct, according to what was said at this trial.

I suppose the judge would like a medal for ‘upholding’ the constitution…what a pile of bs. The law is so mired in double-speak it’s a wonder anyone is ever convicted in this province. And they say crime doesn’t pay!