Friday, May 19, 2006

Uptown vs the Beaker let the readers decide.

Uptown Steve and I disagree on a major point and I would like to get your feedback. Uptown is often critical of Israel and the Jews. When people disagree with them he calls them JEWS in capital letters. He has done this to at least four non Jews who have taken issue with his views.

One of the four people Uptown has called JEW is Donal. I know of at least three others Pointman, Hispano and JBaumgart. I aslo think Uptown did this to Jimbo as well. Donal, Florian and Nanc may recall others that he treated similarly. At first Uptown spent weeks denning he had ever made the remarks. When he was shown the remarks he has spun a fairy tale.

Using the word Jew that way is using it as a perjorative term, as if being a Jew is something to be ashamed of. So, it's blatant bigotry. I new a narcissist who used to use the women that way, with a tone of disgust.

The fact is that Noam Chomsky, Lerner , Norman Finklestein and Kovell are Communists or Anarchists and as such are traitors. Is it my fault you do not read anything beyond the the comic section of the newspaper.

Bigoted? I not totally convinced it is bigoted to call a jew, a jew, obvisouly he is using and saying it that way to piss you off, or anyone else off who might be Jewish. I been called a republican numberous times by Justin, now that is just mean!

Your lack of reading skills is evident. Bargholz is clearly refering to the people you slander as Uncle Toms as decent human beings. Try reading it again.

Jews do score higer than most groups on standardized tests. This isn't supremacist but it is a fact.There are studies that Gays also have higher educational and income levels . The fact that a person repeats items that have been documented does not make them Jewish or Gay.

The question remains what standardized tests measure . However, the mere statement that Jews or Gays score higher on standardized tests may be factual

I agree Missinglink, juvenile in any case. Even though I'm not a Jew, I wouldn't throw a temper tantrum over it, I'd probably take it as a compliment. Especially if I was compared to Don Feder! That man can write!

Here is the problem with Steve he thinks the world owes him something. Whatever happened in Slavery was long ago . Uptown has not only had every opportunity to compette on a level playing field but the field is tilted in his favor.

He is part of the school of excusesfor failure. Rather then competteand work hard he whines and cries. La Shawn Barber is a female writer who Uptown loathes. Uptown sees Lashawn as a traitor because she does not want a hand out nor ses herself as a victim.

Here is another oddity Uptown comes here to attempt to compette with a Jew, me. He brings up the subject of Jews and standardized tests and now wants to cry about it. He has an inferiority complexthat seeps into every post.

Now lets look at another Uptown example of ignorance. Ten Jews and Ten Blacks take a test and Jews average 87 blacks 73. Uptown lacks the basic understaning of math to understand that this does not mean every black scored lower then Jews. This does mean that blacks on average score lower on that test. What the test measures or what part test taking skills play is unknown.

This is Uptown's game

1 Cry victim. Everyone is a racistand Jews are the biggest racists.

2 Demand quotes and then when those quotes are produced spin. He didn't just call Hispano a Jew. He wrote YOU ARE A JEW capitalized. He will go into a long debate about what capitalized leters mean.

3 Bring up irreleant points rather then answer a question. What does Jeff Bargholz or Donal have to do with an interview ? Both can defend themselves quite well and do not need my help nor am I responsible for their statements.I do not ask Uptown to denounce X or Y because to be honest nobody cares what he thinks .

4 Ignorance on basic knowledge and then responds with well I don't believe it. The following points were presented to Uptown with many links.

A Arafat was born in CairoB Michael Lerner is not a Rabbi.

There are many other examples including one where I and about half a dozen others had to explain that Iranians are not Arabs. This was also a 167 classic on this blog.

One can not have a serious conversation with such an ignoramus. As soon as a discussion starts Uptown gets bogged down on basic information. In short he is the weakest link in any discussion.

I've read his crap elsewhere, FPM and lesser known blogs. I read his screeds to LaShawn Barber and I knew which "Steve" it was before he confessed. It was evident in the writing style.

If that exchange was made on one of the "White Nations" forums, (Storm Front, et al), between a white male and white female, there would be no questioning of who was a racist! The only thing missing was the exact phrasing with a gratuitous, "RACE TRAITOR", thrown in for good measure.

With Barber, it was, presumably, about a "black" stripper accusing a bunch of "white" college boys of rape. If it had been a white stripper, there isn't any doubt in my mind that, Steve, would have agreed with her or considered it beneath a dignity he doesn't possess,to comment.

As its panning out, it seem that LaShawn is 100% correct, [sarcasm] I'm sure that we will see steves apology any day now. [/sarcasm]

Of course, to steve, since it was all about race, (and a personal attack on someone that doesn't share his racist adgenda), the actual facts of the events have no bearing on his statements.

EYES--What do YOU care if Beak cares? I don't like abject stupidity and rabid anti-Semitism either--it doesn't do the world any good, and UpCrap is the king of hypocrisy bleating about blacks 24/7 and nattering continually about Jews. Blacks should do one TENTH the good for society that Jews have--then they might be as well-admired!

UpClown, why is it you assume that people can only do, or have, one thing at a time? (THAT says a lot about YOU.) You say blogging 'beats having a real life'??? First, YOU spend more time on the 'Net than anyone I ever met, and second, we blog AND have a 'real' life. (Being a newlywed is GREAT!)Maybe YOU can only manage one thing at a time, but that's not true of the rest of us--grow up, word up, and SHUT UP.

Uptown is obviously a miserable failure in life--otherwise he wouldn't be so keen to get our money on the reparations arguement. Slavery never affected him in any way. He's lying if he says it has. We don't OWE him or any other black with a racial chip on their shoulder ANYTHING! As a matter of fact nobody owes anybody anything, the strawman arguement he gives that we do is completely laughable.

UPCRAP--First, don't talk about my husband like that or we can start talking about your skanky prison sister's bastard child, and the gal you're shacking up with that you haven't jumped the broom with yet--getting 'some' or not. Capice?

Second, Jews are hated by fools like you because you're JEALOUS of them (I can't help your smallness of character). And it was your darling DEMOCRAT FDR that kept the Jews out of America--not any good Republican president. Learn some history. Jews were in Israel CENTURIES before Islam was even CREATED. They took land from no one. After the Holocaust, the world owes them their own land--and it's only .6% of all the land in the middle east.

And no, blacks didn't ask for white presence in Africa. WE DIDN'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION, STUPID. You and yours weren't strong enough to keep us out, so deal with it, weakling. When you blacks are left to yourselves, we get South Central, Detroit, AIDSAfrica, Haiti, and Charles Taylor chopping kids arms off, Mugabe starving people, Idi Amin--you name it. You're even a scourge to YOUR OWN people. Please go back to Africa and straighten it out!

Uptown nobody cares what you think.People do not come to this site to hear your wisdom. You are irrelevant, a nobody with no readers. Le Shawn has readers, David Horrowitz has readers, Jeff Bargholz has readers but where are yiur readers.

Do not run this shuck and give crapola about being a strong black man. Unlike others I have been to the inner city and have seen giants toil in annonymity. You are a nobody just a loudmouth in cyberspace with no social skills.Sorry Uptown but you are not a strong black man in any definition.I will save that description for the teachers, clergy and cops of allcolors who toil in annonymity to make their section of the world a better place.

As for your fighting racists you are also a liar. When a genuine bigot named Alan showed up you had other issues. Mike, Tricky Blaine , Fiona and myself mopped the floor with Alan. Spare me the talk about White racists because when the genuine article rears its head you fall silent.

Yo stevie boy, one thing you seem to be missing, is i don't know facts? It was your people who sold you to the American Settlers, or was that not on your exam for "hate whitey"? Americans took in Jews after the Holocaust because that is what America does best, give refuge to people, you know show a little class, you know that thing your lacking. As far as Jews being hated around the world? I think that has more to do with the religious tyranny that exists in the middle east, and i guess when you are God's chosen people, people get jealous.

I realize name-calling and spurious "prove reality to me" challenges are the hallmarks of advanced leftists, devolved as they are into solipsistic monuments of utter stupidity, so it's no surprise to me that you're taking your intellectual ass-whoopin' with a sneer.

...Now that we've got the amenities out of the way, I'll take some shots at Uptownseteve's history quiz.

If Jews are so "well-admired" then why have they been so hated throughout history?

Leftism is rooted in the idea that human individuality is non-existent; there are only groups or "classes" of people, most of which need to be exterminated by the leftist's self-identified class (the "proletariat," the "Aryan race," etc.). Jews are a favorite target of leftists (see Marx's 1843 essay that served as an inspiration for Hitler, entitled On the Jewish Question) because Jews distinguish themselves from other religious cultures in practice and belief. Leftists, primitive ideologues all, see difference as dangers. Can't wipe out religious threats to big government sponsored idols (and leftists do so love their massive statues, vaccuum-preserved tombs, and flowing portrait banners of dead leftists, without attacking the monotheists.

Why did they have to create a Jewish nation by forcibly taking other peoples land?

Who's land? What force?

Why didn't America welcome all of the Holocaust victims to come HERE?

Hitler and the Nazis were lucrative trading partners in the Franklin Demento Roosevelt administration's "New Deal" socialist economic policy catastrophe. Reports of abuse of Jews in Germany that made it to FDR's desk during the mid to late 1930s were likely met with a wheelchaired rush to a private moment in the bathroom with running water and a busy hand sopped in lubricant. It wasn't until Hitler turned his guns upon Roosevelt's fellow communists in the Soviet Union that the warnings of the British right-winger Winston Churchill stopped falling on deaf ears.

Jews weren't even welcome in Klansman Harry Truman's house in Independence, MO at the end of World War 2. Do you honestly think Truman's leftist government would do a complete 180 and actually dedicate itself to helping people demolished by leftism?

Correct me if I'm wrong but blacks did not solicit the presence of whites on the African continent.

Well, someone had to drive the Arab conquerors out.

Africa was INVADED and TERRORIZED by whites and black people have suffered from the relationship ever since.

INSTANT CONSTABLE BEAMISH--UpClown isn't going to be able to understand one 100th of what your last comment stated. Remember, this is a boy who spells more than one ox as 'oxes'. Better taker 'er down to one-syllable words...

You know, BEAK, I had to laugh when I read that the NYT closed it's racial forum when UpClown started to post there heavily. I guess even the Times could stand only so much stupidity, racial bleating, and UpClown illiteracy

INSTANT CONSTABLE BEAMISH--UpClown isn't going to be able to understand one 100th of what your last comment stated. Remember, this is a boy who spells more than one ox as 'oxes'. Better taker 'er down to one-syllable words...

Upown Since you are into labels and like TV Land I think Rerun is appropriate. Except that Rerun was stupid and knew it but other wise was charming. Charming is not an an adjective that describes you well. You can be like Rollo from Sanford and Son .

Lers see almost half of Hollywood has Jewish blood. Gweneth Paltrow, Phoebee Cates are just off the top of my head and Cates was much more attractive then any of the women you or I mentioned. Joan Collins is also Jewish and was a beauty into her 60's.

Oh really lets see Haille Berry, Mariah Carey and Vanessa Williams are not held up as examples of attractive Blacks. What do they have in common ? Derek Jeter and Lenny Kravits may be 70% or more white. This is not me talking but marketing.

The truth is that Hollywood, modeling agencies tend to use light skinned black women .This is not an opinion but an observation of reality. I do not pay attention to Uptown because he is irrelevant. The Williams sisters get squat in endorsement because they are unattractive to the masses and Sharpova is raking in the dollars. That is not my opinion but reality.

Sometimes reality isn't PC but marketing $$$$$ doesn't lie nor is it wasted money. The dollars are researched before they are paid out.

Uptown have you been drinking MD 20/20. The Williams sisters are fugly and do you want to compare that with Anna Kornikova who won zero or Maria Sharpove.

Even Spike Lee acknowledged the shade issues in film. Marketing dollars are carefully reasearched before major investments are made. The public tends to view light skinned black women like Mariah Carey to the darker skinned Angela Bassett.

No question that the majority of the American buying public is white and they tend to subscribe to the white standard of beauty but your contention was that the more "white blood" the blacks have, the "better" they appear.

Now that may be YOUR opinion but it's not fact pal.

Maybe you can explain why Angela Bassett has been nominated for an Academy Award and Mariah Carey has appeared in which movie?

One of the top runway models in the world is a jet black African woman with short cropped kinky hair (unfortunately I can't recall her name now)so your marketing theory is just wrong.

David Horowitz has constantly referred to the popularity and marketablity of Michael Jordan and Oprah Winfrey as "proof" of the absence of racism in white America.

Now YOU claim that whites won't market blacks because they're "fugly".

I recently saw a commerical with Snoop Dogg and Lee Iacocca.

Your hero Bill Cosby made his name being a product pitchman and he hardly looks white.

Do you want to compare Haille Berry who is light skinned to Basset. I do not make the market place nor is the market place fair.However mixed race black women are more sucsessful in marketing then black women.

Lets take Cosby out of the mix as he has a genuine talent. Cosby is paid for his superior wit and comedic skill. He comes across as the loveable man next door.

The news gets worse because Latina's like Salma Hayek Mexican- Lebanese and Jesica Alba to light skinned black women . As our culture becomes more hispanic there will be less African Americans on film or ads.

Sisters like Naomi Campbell, Beyonce and Gabrielle Union are all making millions in cosmetic and clothing endorsements.

"The news gets worse because Latina's like Salma Hayek Mexican- Lebanese and Jesica Alba to light skinned black women . As our culture becomes more hispanic there will be less African Americans on film or ads."

So you HOPE.

But sorry pal.

Much of America is passing you by and recognizing the talent, creativity and beauty of the black community.

We're right at the center of American culture.

MTV tried to shut blacks out during their early days.

Now most of the MTV programming features black performers and the audience remains predominately white.

Lets see Uptown you start this thread with a jab at Jewish women.Yes Phoebee Cates, Joan Collins, Paltrow , Portman and many others are Jewish.

Now you are crying racism because I say the Williams sisters are fugly. There is nothing racist in that remark . The Williams sisters to look like post op linebackers and are an eyesore.

If anything blacks are becoming irrelevant as Latinas are making their presence felt. Sorry Uptown Salma Hayek is much better to look at then Berry.

The amount that Berry and the others get is less then that of Nicole Kidman , Julia Roberts etc.The market place disagrees with you Uptown . When the people in suits decide to put a black woman in an ad it is a Mariah Carey or Berry mixed race type. This is not my opinion but reality.

As far as money and marketing the data speaks for itself. These are not my opinions but the opinions of people who get paid big bucks. Hispanics have displaced blacks as Americas largest minority. Even Spike Lee discusses the skin tone issue in film.

Hollywood and fashion have preferedlight skin blacks for generations. A more then half white woman like Berry sets the standard. This is the way that the system works. You can compare the marketing money of Sharpova to the Williams sisters and it is not even close.

Oprah is something I do not understand at all but I do not understand Dr Phil either. Oprah inherited a time slot from Donahue and has defended it and achieved numbers based upon what I have yet to figure out.

The standards of beauty are not set by me. I worked in the fashion industry and understand this far better then you assume.

As hispanics flex their muscle the role of African Americans grows smaller. Yet while the jobs disappear Jesse Jackson spends time on NASCAR and country clubs areas that effect a handfull at best. Blacks are not even allowed to interview at many of the remaining companies. How does a company with 200 plus people in Brooklyn have not one black. I asked the owner and was told blacks steal and sue. I was fired about a week after asking the question. I went on an interview with another company in SI and asked the same question and got a similar answer.

The bottom line is that the civil rights establishment does not fight for those who need jobs. It has gone from fighting to open doors to newspaper photo ops. You can talk to people who work in personel agencies and they will tell you the same thing.

The reality of the business place and marketing $$$$$ is not made by me. I just report them as I see them.

I could care less what you think. I did not seek you out and could care less. The fact that you have no clue what is going on out there is humorous . Perhaps you need to spend some more time Uptown or listen to your friends.

Ask people at the Department of Labor in NY or NJ or employment agencies ?

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