This been going on for 2 years about Google breaking API's for Youtube app for WP. Funny thing is the 3rd party Youtube apps looks better than the one Microsoft made./IMHO Microsoft needs to suck it up and make the same apps for Android that they make for iOS, then maybe Google will budge.//Office for Android would also help

Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Whereas Google hasn't published one app in the Windows 8 store, and only one app in the Windows Phone store.

If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.

wax_on:Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it.

It is in fact illegal to have a monopoly, at least without Congressional or Judicial approval. While Congressional approval is somewhat elusive (though certain markets like MLB and health insurance have them), fortunately for the Randians the DoJ has historically been extremely reluctant to pursue any anti-trust cases.

drjekel_mrhyde:This been going on for 2 years about Google breaking API's for Youtube app for WP. Funny thing is the 3rd party Youtube apps looks better than the one Microsoft made./IMHO Microsoft needs to suck it up and make the same apps for Android that they make for iOS, then maybe Google will budge.//Office for Android would also help

They already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds, which is why it keeps breaking. MS can't use those same workarounds it would be palm vs apple all over again.

narkor:Whereas Google hasn't published one app in the Windows 8 store, and only one app in the Windows Phone store.

If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.

Windows 8 (I assume we're talking RT) does not have a large market at this time. There are many developers not rushing to develop Apps for Win 8.There are also other search engines you can use besides Google. If you feel Google is dominating unfairly, then don't use Google.

MS used market dominance to effectively force out OS alternatives. IIRC they charged vendors for all the PCs produced not just the ones with Windows so if a vendor installed other operating systems they'd still be charged a license for it. Even today MS has a 70% market share in OS...Install MS Windows, MS Internet Explorer comes as default browser, MS homepage comes as default webpage.

The core of google is search results and it's not like there isn't at least a dozen alternatives that are free and can be reached by any device that can hit google.com. MS is upset that google won't write apps or help them with their apps for WindowsPhone, how many apps has MS written for Android? Google may be just as bad but their strategy is far more passive then what MS did and is still doing. Google should/will argue there is no point in writing anything for WindowsPhone based on market share, it has such a small user base that it would be a waste. There are more outdated versions of Android out there than MS based phones.

/Didn't realize Android was on >70% of SmartPhones, that is scary growth.

narkor:If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.

I'm not a huge fan of google, so guess what, I don't use it that much. I use a variety of different services which provide better quality over their google counterparts, except for Google Translate, which is the best so I use it.

If you don't like google, don't use it - support their competition. Don't complain that Google should be forced to provide their content to more devices to make them more ubiquitous than they already are.

I look at people who still think of Microsoft as the company it was in the 90s the same way I look at people who think that there is no good American beer. It must be nice to get stuck in one time period and never follow along with developments...

Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

wax_on:Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Google announcing they will downrank sites "with too many valid DMCA takedown notices". Since isoHunt is currently listed as #3 of most noticed sites, that is likely to happen to to us. ... What's missing on Google's DMCA notices report? Youtube.

wax_on:Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

I used to work at Netscape and I'm not really getting a kick out of these replies....

Marine1:Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

USA Prime Credit Peggy:Marine1: Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

"Google is a web company and so it is natural to think that its services should be easily accessible with the built in HTML 5 compliant Internet Explorer. Sadly we also see examples of requests for certain pages to be redirected back to the Google landing page. There is much to suggest that Google sees Windows Phone as a natural competitor to its market share in mobile due to the similarities in how the OS is delivered through independent manufacturers."

USA Prime Credit Peggy:Marine1: Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

wax_on:Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Does Google have a monopoly? That is the question. Monopoly doesn't mean largest or most popular, it means the only thing you can do is use them. Google don't have a monopoly IMHO, people are free to upload their content to any of the other popular systems; even those using Google's Android powered devices.

Also, Microsoft... suck it up and stop crying like little biatches. Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's? I mean sure they were an actual monopoly and abused the shiat out of it but at least they had the balls to do it and tell everyone else to EABOD. Now they're whiner than an emo kid who's out of black mascara.

You're probably thinking of WP6 (aka Word Perfect for Windows) which was pretty much a dogs dinner of an application. When most people talk about Word Perfect they actually mean v5.1 which was a DOS application and actually ate Word for breakfast, lunch & dinner. Seriously, WP5.1 destroyed Word (Windows versions or otherwise) but that control scheme and it's utter lack of WYSIWYG meant it needed serious love to move to a GUI.

/People still use WP5.1, it's more of a cockroach than Windows XP (or 98SE) is.//It is rock solid.

Vaneshi:wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Does Google have a monopoly? That is the question. Monopoly doesn't mean largest or most popular, it means the only thing you can do is use them. Google don't have a monopoly IMHO, people are free to upload their content to any of the other popular systems; even those using Google's Android powered devices.

Also, Microsoft... suck it up and stop crying like little biatches. Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's? I mean sure they were an actual monopoly and abused the shiat out of it but at least they had the balls to do it and tell everyone else to EABOD. Now they're whiner than an emo kid who's out of black mascara.

The monopoly (at least in terms of one that Google certifiably has) would be YouTube.

There is much to suggest that Google sees Windows Phone as a natural competitor to its market share in mobile due to the similarities in how the OS is delivered through independent manufacturers.

Wow, you've got to be a conspiracy nut to believe that. Google see WP as a competitor in the same way that the Third Reich saw Luxembourg as a threat. 2.4% market share. That's what WP has. Android has over 70%.

And I'll start taking Microsoft's whining seriously when they release Office or Media Player for Linux.