We are going to post a brief lecture that JWG made on Neptune's archetypal role in our consciousness that primarily focuses upon the desire to transcend time and space in order to understand the nature of ultimate meaning for our lives. This lecture in not exhaustive of all the natural archetypes that correlate with Neptune but that is something we can surely discuss or add too this thread if any of you so wish. Feel free to ask any questions that may arise.

God Bless, Rad

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Neptune: Its Archetypal Role and Meaning in the HoroscopeJeffrey Wolf Green Astro2000; Denver, CO 2000

Jeffrey: Good morning. Now, if you didn’t know, this is the Astro 2000 conference. And my name is Bob Smith. (Laughter)

Okay. This is the official, my name is Jeffrey Wolf Green. This morning’s talk is on how to naturally spiritualize your life in your own individual way. Of course, we will be talking about the archetypes of Pisces, Twelfth House, and Neptune.

We will be talking about this in two very specific ways. One way is called the natural way to spiritualize, which correlates to what we call natural law: The laws of nature which are intrinsic and operate whether the human person is here or not. And then we can talk about how to spiritualize from a patriarchal point of view. And those will be two vastly different things.

So the very first idea that I would like you to at least consider, is the idea, well the real question is—the notion really—is God perfect? Now from the point of view of patriarchal reality and the various religions that they create, God is always conceived to be perfect, which then generates all the spiritual should be’s that emanate from that perfect God. This also then includes a variety of moral teachings and injunctions relative to the spiritual system that you involve yourself with. And this of itself, by the way, will induce for many—guilt.

Audience: Been there, done that.

Jeffrey: Exactly! And so then the question becomes why? And that’s because the spiritual should be’s relative to the perfect God and the morality it reflects, are unattainable. Why? Because they are in violation of natural law.

Let’s take a simple example, the presumption--preposterous presumption--that there is somehow a natural conflict between spirit and flesh. How many have bought in to this notion? From the point of view of this life? Be honest!

Audience: I did.

Jeffrey: Thank you! (laughter) Because once you accept that projected conception/belief, you simultaneously create that dynamic within your soul structure that leads to a fragmentation, or a splitting, of your physical, emotional and spiritual bodies. Fragmented! Now let me ask the rhetorical question: Do you think God’s intention was to induce fragmentation within your soul? How many want to vote for yes? (laughter) You do? (laughter) You’re welcome to it.

Audience: It had to have been God’s intention or evolution would not have taken this turn.

Jeffrey: Actually this is not the truth of it, because we have to remember that God itself is the origin of free choice. God is the origin of free choice. And that means that human persons have the capacity of free choice. This whole doctrine is created by men, not God. That’s the point. And the causative factor for this invention actually is to control people. But the point is once you accept this kind of belief you do, in fact, set in motion not only a fragmentation of the emotional, physical and spiritual bodies, but also all kinds of psychological complexes/problems/distortions. For example, anger. For example, self-created guilt, as you compare yourself to should-be’s that are not now obtainable.

If this were some sort of natural teaching, or natural truth, then we would not have all the various phenomena that we’re aware of, i.e., the Christian priest being busted for sodomizing a little boy, or the specter of these various gurus who promote these sort of teaching. Take the example of Muktananda, who towards the end of his life was exposed for having all kinds of sexual activities with his female sanyassins.

Or take the case of Kriyananda. Out in California there is a community called Ananda, which was started by one of the disciples of Yogananda, a guy named Kriyananda, who was legally charged and convicted of various sexual abuses and manipulations to his own female disciples.

The point here is that history is full of these stories. And what is the real issue within this? Anything that is natural, which is repressed for whatever reason, becomes a causative factor of distortion and rage. You see the point?

In essence these sorts of teachings try to make one guilty for the very nature of one’s natural being, which includes sexuality. One of the core reasons that the patriarchy created these sorts of systems was to induce circumstances in which people are not allowed to directly perceive God. These sorts of systems progressively are oriented to creating a scenario for people of just blind belief. Just belief. Don’t test it! Don’t ask for proof! Just blind belief which, of course, is the psychological dynamic leading to absolute control of a person or a group of people. This is done essentially for political reasons—not religious reasons.

You think about that. I’ll give you a simple example: Jesus himself advocated direct knowing of God, direct perception of God. He didn’t advocate blind faith or belief in any of it. What do you think he was doing out in the desert for forty days? Picking flowers? He was actually out there meditating to directly know—to directly perceive--God. And the actual methodology he used, by the way, were methods from the East, not the West. And if you doubt that, there’s all kinds of documentation that will show you that in the early part of his life Jesus was in fact in Kashmir, Nepal, India, and London, or in England. This is all documented. The reason he went there was to reawaken to his own nature. That is also why when you read Revelation, in the very first few stanzas you read about the men from Asia, the seven churches, the seven chakras or candles. These correlate with chakras—of which there are seven.

To illustrate the point I’m trying to make, in the tenth century, there was a whole movement within Christianity whose focus and intent was to know God. They were called the Gnostics. And the Christian church--the Vatican at that point--because that was the time of the Inquisition, and all that, in fact, killed these people. Every single one was rounded up over three hundred years and destroyed. Now what does that tell you about your Roman Catholic Church? People actually wanted to know God in a Christian way and yet they were killed. Now I will ask you again the question: Do you think that’s an intention from God? People who want to know God were then killed. Do you think that’s an intention from God? That’s an example of free choice: political issues, authoritarian issues.

So the point is that if you truly want to spiritualize your life, at some point you are going to have to make a choice. And that choice boils down to whether you want to do this in a natural way or a patriarchal way, which starts with suppressing the senses. And I’ve lived quite a long time as a monk—in this life—east, west. One of the very first things you were taught when you entered such an environment was to repress your senses in order to in quote “know God.”

Now look how this is, of course, a violation to natural law. When you put consciousness in a human form, the very essence of consciousness in human form is sentient. The only way you could know the very nature of your existence is through sensing: smell, touch, taste, etc. Even when you have “a cosmic inner experience” you experience it through your senses. For example, immediately you are flooded with the emotion called joy. That occurs through sensing, not intellectual appreciation. I could not even know this thing is called a table unless I could sense it. And so this is natural law, and yet the very first thing you are taught entering a monastery and reading the happy book is to repress your senses. Do you see the point here? So you have a choice. You can either spiritualize in a natural way, or you can do it in a patriarchal way. And if you choose to go that way, go for it! I’m not going to be the one sitting here issuing judgments. It’s your choice.

Now coming back to this point of the perfect God, ask yourself a Piscean sort of question: How can a perfect anything create an imperfect anything? Do you think that is actually possible? So clearly from this point of view God is an evolving force. And if you understand this and truly emotionally integrate it, then you will understand the very nature of evolution itself, i.e., during certain periods in galactic cycles God manifested itself primary through the feminine principle, which was then called the matriarchy. Then it manifested itself through the male principle, which was called the patriarchy and onward we go as these two distinct principles evolved over great lengths of time.

All of this cannot even be conceived of from the point of view of the limit of human consciousness. From the point of view of human consciousness--keeping in mind that every single form on earth has an intrinsic limit confined by the nature of that form—we cannot conceive of these cycles. It is impossible from the limitation of the human form to know the totality of what we call God and/or Goddess. Right now we can experience that limit. Who created God? You just experienced the limit of human consciousness as we speak. And you cannot go beyond it. Think about that.

So from another point of view, if you accept the notion that God is the origin of all things, wherein lies the origin of anger, of sex, of imperfection, of insecurity and rest of it? God itself. Once we understand this we truly evolve, because we are shifting our consciousness as we emotionally integrate this--not intellectually appreciate--but emotionally integrate. And once we emotionally integrate it, we evolve into a consciousness of true compassion rather than judgment.

You see, the patriarchal consciousness defines all the famous should-be’s, the moralities, the ethics, that then generates rigid judgment, which is only meant to recreate and induce yet more guilt to make you feel ever, and increasingly, shitty, and doubtful of yourself because you cannot somehow conform to the should-be’s. Again, I spent a great deal of time in monasteries, and you would be amazed at how many monks smoke cigarettes. Why? Because they are suppressing something.

The great thing that the patriarchy does not want you to know is that all human souls are co-creators of the universes with God itself. When you look at it logically, the simplest way to know this is through the natural vehicle called sexuality in which a soul can literally be a co-creator of the universes with God itself. Wherein lies the origin of sex! Uh oh, you mean God is sexual? Can we somehow correlate that with what is called the Big Bang!

So we have this choice, and the point of view is that if you embrace natural law then, in fact, you can spiritualize “naturally.” Not artificially according to the should-be’s defined by the patriarchy, but naturally. And if you allow yourself to spiritually evolve naturally, believe me, it is a much more gentle, much more compassionate, much more loving way to manifest or actualize than these patriarchal ways, in which somehow you are trying to make yourself meditate for an hour and a half in a closet! And nothing happens!

Audience: laughter

Jeffrey: There’s a really simple natural meditation that any of us can do; one that has nothing to do with any belief system from any place, nothing to do with any country, nothing to do with any race, nothing to do with any gender, and nothing to do with patriarchy or matriarchy. Nothing. It’s a simply natural thing to do. How many of you would like to know?

Audience: indicated they wanted to learn the meditation technique

Jeffrey: I’ll go through this real slowly and yet simply. It’s a very simple thing, because here we find ourselves in a manifested creation, of course, and in a manifested creation the creation can only know itself through the natural law of duality/polarity. In other words, night can’t know night unless there is day and visa versa.

So in a real similar way, the very natural law of cause and effect, thought, counter-thought, is reflected in our breathing: inhale, exhale--thought, counter-thought. Another way we can look at this through natural law, as an example, is that we can use simple things like a numbers: one and two. This is part of natural law because one and two correlate to finitude, cause and effect, thought, counter-thought, etc. And in between one and two there is an interval--naturally so--and the interval correlates to timelessness, the absolute, and infinity. Now in a very simple natural meditation we need to keep in mind that as long as there is breathing in the body, the consciousness is entrapped into the law of cause and effect, thought, counter-thought, left-brain, self.

So in a very simple natural meditation, the inhaling breath is simply linked with a mental affirmation of the number one and the exhaling breath with the number two. This is the entire technique. Now the secret is to concentrate on the one and two, not the breathing. The secret in any meditation is concentration. So as you concentrate on the one two the breath naturally begins to shallow and finally stops without the ego noticing. And once the breath is finally stopped, the consciousness is then free from the law of cause and effect. It is now prepared to enter into the interval: the timeless, the absolute and the infinite. As this occurs there are three natural archetypical experiences that any consciousness will have. This is intentional by design from the point of view of God/Goddess. Why? To know the difference between real experience and delusion-- Neptune.

What are the three experiences? The very first experience as you reach the breathless state is that the molecular density of the cellular structure of your body changes. The inner experience that correlates with that fact in that state is that you will inwardly sense, or feel, or perceive that the external environment, that which is external to you, is somehow now going into an earthquake type of situation. You can open your eyes and, in fact the earth will be fine. This is simply reflecting the shift of the molecular density within the physical body. At the same moment in time—from the point of view of consciousness--you now perceive through your consciousness that you are now surrounded by a galaxy of three spinning colors. It’s a combination of purple or blue, yellow or gold and white. That’s the first experience.

Over time this evolves, and it finally solidifies, i.e., consciousness now perceives that the initial spinning galaxy solidifies. And it solidifies right in the middle of your forehead in the three colors. The outer color is yellow (or gold), which is the symbolic color of the soul; the middle part is the deepest, richest blue you will ever perceive and is the symbolic color of God. In fact, from the point of view of human anatomy there is a gland within the human brain which is responsible for spiritualization called the pineal gland, which secrets a key hormone and protein called melatonin. When scientists actually developed the capacity for micro-photography within the human body, and they took a picture of this gland, it was the same blue that you will find in this sphere. And in the very middle of the sphere is white.

Now, this second experience this will rapidly evolve into a situation where that white color solidifies into a five pointed white star. In Sanskrit it was called amrita, in Christianity, the mystical marriage, in Buddhism, nirvana, and so forth. Choose the term; the experience is the same. The point is that once you get to the point where you can perceive the white star, the soul by birthright remembers how to merge with it. And once you merge with it, then you will have by your own direct experience all the fancy things you have read: cosmic consciousness, mystical marriage and the rest of it, as your own direct experience. The point here is that you can do this naturally. It has nothing to do with any conceptualized religion, has nothing to do with moral dictates, has nothing to do with ethics.

It is the most natural and simple way that any of us can naturally know for ourself, the existence of that which we call God/Goddess. Where this state finally takes you is to the very edge of what’s called the unmanifested/manifested. Again, this is just the universal experience. It is the most evolved state of consciousness that human consciousness can actually know from the point of view of the limit of its form.

You actually have this as an experience wherein you actually then know as a direct inner knowing that the very nature of the manifested creation is vibrational—vibrational-- in nature. So you are literally on the edge between the unmanifested and the manifested. This can be known by human consciousness. So once you make these shifts, or have these experiences, you progressively shift the center of gravity in your consciousness from the stupid little ego to the soul itself. And once the gravity of consciousness is within the soul, then from the point of view of your inner consciousness as you look out through the famous physical eyes, you will have two simultaneous experiences. One is that you experience your own immortality, the timelessness of your own soul, while at the very same time you experience the specific individuality via the current created ego, called your current, life. This happens simultaneously. At that point you’re living in the centuries simultaneously. And believe me, that is a difficult thing to do. And, so the experiences is like when you are the beach and you have that moment where the sun is half below, half above the horizon. Well, when the gravity of your consciousness is in the soul, that’s what your inner experience is like, all the time—all the time.

And in that state, of course, we have finally lifted all the normal veils of consciousness which were created by the human ego. For example, how many of you have total memory of your prior lives? How many any have an inkling? Most of us veils there that reopen, don’t we? And the question is why? And the answer is straight forward. From God’s point of view if all of us just had a natural capacity to access all of our prior lives, we would get so consumed with what went wrong, what went right, that we would not get on with the business of this life. That’s why there’s that veil. If most people had this instant knowledge, it would affect how they behave toward this one, behave toward that one, and so one and so forth. That’s why the veil. It takes a certain degree of evolution to be able to handle being able to live in the various centuries at the same time. It takes a certain kind of consciousness that is able to look at anybody and see their entire prior life background, even while standing in the checkout line at Safeway. Think about it. It is much more of a burden than you realize.

So, the point here is that this is the natural way to do it, just in general. Now on the other hand, when we start looking in the birth charts, you have a natal Neptune some place. You have Pisces some place. You’re gonna have a sign on your twelfth house, and a planetary ruler to that sign, located by its own house, sign and the aspects to it. The point here is that wherever these symbols occur for you or anybody, these are your own natural vehicles—natural vehicles— that you are meant to use to naturally spiritualize your life in your own unique way, not according to some religion telling you to do it this way or that way.

Audience: Is it possible to have an experience in nature…have you experienced unification with God?

Jeffrey: Of course, I mean nature is the greatest teacher because it operates whether the human person is here or not right, by the way. And see the problem is that we’ve come through all these centuries now with the patriarchy and all the various psychological, emotional and sexual distortions that have been born because of patriarchy, and because of this incredible emphasis on learning and memorizing information versus directly knowing information. All of this in combination created veils within consciousness that prevent direct perception of the totality of nature.

This I know from my own experience because, again, I lived quite some time with the Navaho people and happily was initiated into their religion called Peyote, spending six months in the high chaparral of New Mexico every day with peyote in the blood stream. There is an intrinsic spirit to peyote called ya-ha-te. The point is that once you establish that relationship to the inner spirit within peyote these veils are removed. And once the veils are removed, you can perceive the totality of nature, because most human beings, relative to where things are now see roughly two to three percent of the totality. So, once you remove those veils you see the whole totality.

Audience: I just want to ask you about an experience I had like that this last year. Also, a realization that in nature I felt completely safe--not that nature is never violent—but I felt completely safe at this point.

Jeffrey: That is why we call it Mother Earth. When you think about that as a fact, here we stand in patriarchal times for thousands of years and yet we are still earth, Mother Earth. You think about that. Why is this? Is this stuff making sense to you or is just hooey, or whatever.

Audience: You’re great.

Jeffrey: So all you have to do is look at your own chart. And another thing to consider is the planetary nodes. Most astrologers do not use planetary nodes. Most of us just use the north and south nodes of the Moon, but all planet have nodes, including Neptune. To note a remarkable thing is that for all of us sitting in this room and every human person on the planet, the south node for all of us was between nine and fourteen degrees of Aquarius. This correlates with what we can call the “original spiritual root” (past), for all of us. This directly goes back to the last Aquarian age, obviously, twenty-five thousand years ago, which is, of course, what people call the matriarchy. Let’s agree that the matriarchy in many ways is simply a metaphor for a period of time—the majority of time—the human person has lived on the planet the majority of its time, meaning humans lived through and were defined by natural law, including natural sexual laws. And the natural sexual laws, believe me, are vastly different than what is assumed to be via morality--right and wrong in terms sexual stuff. The point here is that every human soul on the planet has either had direct prior lives in that time, and/or their soul or psychic structure (Neptune), is drawing upon the thought imprints (Aquarius) of that time. Radical thought, isn’t it?

And this is intentional—intentional. Why? By who? God’s design. Do you think it’s somehow any mystery that all the folks on the planet now have their original spiritual root at very same time that we’ve entered this five hundred year point leading us back to the Aquarian age? Think it is a coincidence? Or synchronicity? And now here comes the Neptune transit over it’s own nodes, and the Uranus transit just go through transiting those same nodes. All you have to do is open your eyes and look at the plan. More and more people were rebelling against what? And for what reasons?

So, the point here is that you are going to have your own south node of Neptune in Aquarius in its own house, and it’s going to be, of course, ruled by your natal Uranus, which is in its own house and sign, and it will be making aspects. Again this correlates with your own natural way of how to spiritualize your life. Do you understand the point?

Audience: Would you give an example?

Jeffrey: Let’s say I have a Pisces moon in the fourth house. Would it not be a natural way to spiritualize by having a family and raising children and actually approaching this from a sacred point of view? To see this as a task that God/Goddess had given me to do? It doesn’t have to lead to monasteries. This is my point. It’s your own natural way.

What happens if I have Neptune in the eighth house? Does this then possibly mean that God/Goddess is trying to remind me, or re-teach me true sexuality? True love? Therefore, I’m trying ancient traditional sexual religions that have the intent of arriving back to God because of the sexuality. These are natural things. It’s a simple idea. Wherever Neptune is, wherever Pisces is, the sign on the twelfth house and the location of its ruler, is your own natural way. Is that a complex thing to grasp? Okay!

Audience: Are the veils like a kind of density that blocks awareness?

Jeffrey: Are the veils a kind of density that blocks awareness? Yes. It’s no different than the fact that we know that there’s a reality on the other side of this door. The door is now like a veil that blocks--same thing.

Jeffrey: Is this stuff making sense to you?

Audience: Oh yeah. Yes, very much so. What happens when the veils are removed very rapidly?

Jeffrey: Insanity! The reverse of revelation is insanity.

Audience: So, there is a natural rhythm to it?

Jeffrey: Right. And it just goes right back to the principle of evolution itself because the system has to be prepared to deal with, or integrate, ever higher levels of electrical voltage. It’s the electrical current/vibration within the system. It’s no different than if I try to put 10,000 watts through a five watt bulb; I’m going to blow it up. Similarly, the system has to be progressively prepared to handle the increasing intensity of electrical voltage. You know, in the last twenty or so years, particularly in America, people were trying to rush out and get instant enlightenment through the fire-breathing workshop, or this technique or that method, and that’s why so may were overloading their system—because there is a natural way to this, and the flip side of revelation, or realization, is insanity. This is a Neptune issue.

You see, through Neptune, Pisces, and the twelfth house one of the ways--this might sound bizarre--that one of the ways that God/Goddess operates through these archetypes is to induce the awareness of disillusionment. Because what does it mean to be disillusioned? It means that part of that moment we have created a kind of reality that we have totally accepted to be true, and yet it is that reality that we have created that’s really an illusion. Then God creates the experience of disillusionment through the vehicle of crises. And the intention is what? To realign us with actual reality. And in many, many ways as we go through the various centuries, various lifetimes, we all have to go through this horrible experience called disillusionment, which is really the elimination of progressive illusion.

How many in this room have not gone through disillusionment? And did you not find that when you were being disillusioned that it was one of the hardest experiences you could go through—the implied crises--but that it’s intentional from God’s point of view. The reverse of revelation is again, insanity. And when you go through a disillusioning process it means just that. You’re suddenly in a position in which you’re under a lot of pressure, and at a time in which nothing is making sense. Everything has become unraveled. You’re feeling completely confused, disassociated. In some way you can even have a time frame in which you have a degree of hysteria, psychic hysteria, because everything has been removed. But this is intentional from God’s point of view. You’re then given the opportunity to rebuild yourself. So then the question becomes are you going to rebuild yourself relative to yet another illusion, or actual reality called God/Goddess—God/Goddess? This is the cycle perpetually.

How many know I’ve done work in the mental institutions because I wanted to make the astrology correlations? I did this up in Western Washington state, and do you know how many people walking around pretending to be Jesus? Do you know how many Magdalenas there were? It’s interesting when they meet. (Laughter)

Audience: Why are some people who have a white light experience with LSD disillusioned?

Jeffrey: That’s a good question. The issue here--the essence of it--is that LSD is a synthetic. It’s not something natural like herbs that are created by God. And what happens when one uses LSD--because believe me, there is a difference between hallucinations and visions, with hallucinations emanating from your subconscious--whatever is going on in your subconscious structure, whatever the nature of reality is there, distorted or not, is what LSD is actually seeing. This is very, very different from something like peyote in which you actually have a vision. The vision is not, has nothing to do with your subconscious. The vision has everything to do with the nature of the world—the world. So synthetic type compounds like LSD, yes, it can be extremely harmful to the soul, because there is a residual effect with things like LSD.

Audience: Her actual question was that some people did experience the white light experience, and then they were disillusioned when they came down off the drug. Do you think there’s any hope for them in this lifetime to re-access the white light without the use of drugs?

Jeffrey: Oh, I can’t answer that questions. I wouldn’t have a clue at this point.

Audience: (Inaudible question about the transit of Neptune).

Jeffrey: Got it. You’re asking about the Neptune transit when its active, is that it? Wherever the nature of your existing illusions may be or delusions that you consider your reality, the Neptune transit will make sure that you become disillusioned, if, in fact, there is an illusion in place. Ah, o

On the other hand, all this again depends on the individual context. For example, let’s use the context of a person that has been born with unresolved hysteria based on an unresolved trauma. Hysteria as a phenomenon is Neptune. Le’st say that that is the actual individual context of the individual. Now all of a sudden Neptune transits Venus, to make a small example. If that unresolved trauma had not been dealt with at that point, then the circumstances induced through the transit to Venus will trigger the unresolved hysteria. The intent is to heal--Neptune. So to answer your question, you need to know the individual context of that person’s reality.

One thing we should all remember, by the way--and listen very carefully because it’s a natural truth--wherever we choose (and it is your choice) however you choose to define God/Goddess is exactly how you will inwardly experience it. If you define God as simultaneously personal and impersonal, for example, as the Vedantic people do, then guess what? You will experience God just like that. If you define God in the Buddhist sense, that there is no personal application of this thing called God/Goddess, it’s just beyond personal, then you experience God/Goddess within yourself as Light. If you experience God as some Hell and brimstone sort of anthropomorphic creature that’s got a pitch fork in its hands, it’s readily to kill you because ,of course, you are guilty, then you will experience God in exactly that way. You understand? Ain’t it sick? Umm.

Jeffrey: The actual astrology is putting Neptune, Pisces, signs—you want to put your chart up since you have the question? Now while she’s doing that, are there any other questions? Back here.

Audience: I’ve experienced a lot of fear from having psychic intuitions, and I’m trying to work on how to allow what’s coming through to come through and not. My moon is in the natural twelfth house, and I have real psychic access, and I’m afraid of people thinking I’m crazy when that’s happening, and I block myself from really tuning in to that stuff. What would be a way to deal with it?

Jeffrey: Well then, you’re going to have some sort of issue in a prior life that connects with trauma and persecution, and false judgment, and confession and confinement relative to that which you’ve intrinsically been, and this then constituting the subconscious memory and doing the compensation for it. But the real issue then is to realize you are not in that life, you’re in this life, and that there is a reason that your soul chose to born in a country like this, which is equaling maximum freedom.

Audience: If you only experience God as you perceive him in your mind are you experiencing him at all?

Jeffrey: Yes. It is relative to how you conceive it.

Okay, see here we have some sort of example. (Chart put on white board by audience member). We have Cancer sitting on the twelfth house cusp of this particular individual case. We find that within this (twelfth) house we have Uranus conjunct with these?Audience: The sun is actually square the Neptune.

Editorial Note: Through a back and forth questioning the chart data included an Ascendant of 22 degrees and other planets in Aries that formed a T-square to Neptune.

Jeffrey: So in essence we have a T-square here. Clearly, something happened in the prior life that is being brought into the current life that deals with Neptunian type issues. Who can see it? It is a very simple situation where at some point in very recent prior lifetimes she was born into a family structure in which the very nature of the family was emotionally dysfunctional, and within that she was being judged and persecuted for the very essence of her being and considered crazy. The very nature of the family structure is right here, coming through here, meaning in her prior life she was actually incarcerated against her will because implied judgments of the family through extension to society. So we can see this is a preexisting issue. Yes or no?

Audience: Yes.

Jeffrey: And with the lead point here being Uranus, this has clearly had an effect called trauma. The trauma of what? The trauma of being falsely judged, falsely persecuted, falsely incarcerated: why? Because the very essence of her being was in violation with what? The patriarchy. The very nature of the trauma finding herself now in confinement in which she was then physically raped, which of course has created tremendous imbalance on a chemical level within the brain itself. The chemical composition of the brain is seen through Uranus--twelfth house. So we have a very unstable brain based on an unresolved trauma. Yes or no?

Audience: yes

Jeffrey: So in essence we have the classic problem of somebody who was being judged for the very essence of who she was, a natural feminine. Somebody whose inner spiritual system would be at odds with the powers that be, and then being considered crazy. Confined. And the unresolved nature of that trauma which is intensified through group rape, and the context of an institution that brought her into the current life, still with unresolved trauma. Still with imbalances, chemically speaking, within the brain because of the nature of that unresolved trauma. You’re going to find within the brain itself a very deep imbalance in the natural seratonin levels that constitute and create emotional stability. Until that is done, there is no emotional stability, is there? So to come back to the question, what would be her natural way spiritualize? Are we going to say yes, go join the convent, put on that habit again? Course not. What would be the natural way for her to spiritualize in this pattern? Who could see it?

Audience: Emotion.

Jeffrey: Yes, the emotional body. You are going to have to stabilize the brain first. It starts with stabilizing the brain, which will then stabilize the emotions; therefore, we have to do something with the seratonin levels within the brain. If she went to see traditional people she would be put on Prozac. We are not going to be advocating Prozac. This is not natural. So what would we in fact do?

Audience: Lots of meditation.

Jeffrey: If you look at this chart deeply, despite the chronology of the physical body, on an emotional level, you are dealing with essentially a three to four-year-old inside this person. And there is even then a key step that this soul has missed over many lives. It’s the step that a 20-month old baby learns to internalize one or both parents so it can feel relatively secure when the parents are not physically present. This is a case where even this basic step has been missed. So one of the first sources of healing would start with what?

Audience: Touching.

Jeffrey: Quality touching, holding; loving some adult person that she fundamentally trust that would allow her to be an emotional child until the emotional age caught up. This begins to stabilize the brain. It causes an automatic change in the seratonin levels within the brain structure itself. This is a natural way. Now once the brain becomes stabilized through the emotional stability--and this is going to take some time to do--we also have an essential sexual healing to deal with that will also help stabilize the brain—a natural thing to do. What we going to advocate here? Yes.

Audience: Masturbation.

Jeffrey: Yes. That is a form now of re-empowering herself, stabilizing herself, removing the external dependency. You got it. And I would also suggest very traditional, timeless rituals of a sexual nature that have the intent of realigning her chakra system, starting with the root chakra up there on the south node. And once we get the chakra system stabilized and realigned, then she will be able to use this a vehicle to contact inner divinity within herself. Yet we have ongoing lessons in absolute self-reliance and self-empowerment here--Pluto, south node conjunction.

Another thing we can advocate is the introduction of a natural substance--not an artificial substance--that will operate as a precursor to induce the relevant levels of seratonin within her brain. It’s a compound called 5-HTP. This will naturally force the body, the brain, to secrete the relevant levels of seratonin so the brain can become stabilized, emotionally speaking. So are we starting to answer your question here? Thank you.

Now you can see through this simple illustration that each case is unique. And this is to defy the typical American delusion that “one size fits all.” There is an antidote, there is a way to perceive individually in each of our context. There is no one right way.

I am wanting to check my understanding of the south node of neptune. First, beyond natal neptune, 12 pisces etc., using the sn of neptune to find natural ways to spiritualize(along with it's ruler) was a new insight for me.

As I understand this, consciousness(neptune) which is natural to every soul is limited to both the human form/container we currently reside in AND the evolutionary stage the soul is at.

Through re-listening to EA Lectures of JWG,over and over, I've finally feel as though I'm getting this.Before I ask my question, I wanted to share a quote from Yogananda to help contextualize.

From a 1930's talk on Christ and Krishna: "Every human being is essentially a soul, covered with a veil of maya. Through evolution and self-effort, each human makes a little hole in the veil; in time, one makes the hole bigger and bigger. As the opening enlarges, the consciousness expands; the soul becomes more manifest. When the veil is completely torn away, the soul is fully manifest in him/her. That woman/man has become a master - master of their self and of maya."

So, in a sense, over lifetimes of evolution, as this "hole enlarges" or more veils are removed - more illusions dissolved(lots of disillusionment - from this perspective, relative to neptune's south node, would it be sound understanding to correlate this symbol to what has held(past tense) ultimate meaning in the individualized consciousness - relative to how much that consciousness has evolved?

Let me try to say this another way -

So, the soul's journey has a past. The consciousness within the soul journey, relative to the sense of an evolutionary past and future, has a past. This past may not be as we perceive linear time; however in the sense that the consciousness does has a past, along the journey it continues to evolve further into the fullest potential of consciousness within the human form - would the south node of neptune then correlate to earlier in the soul's evolutionary journey the ways which it spiritualized? And then, relative to the soul's individual past, what held ultimate meaning within that soul's consciousness - and thus still resonates as such, coming through the 'now' as a way to naturally spiritualize and what still holds a sense of ultimate meaning within the consciousness - expressing outward relative to the stage at which the consciousness has evolved along the journey thus far(aka the evolutionary stage of the soul)?

Now coming back to this point of the perfect God, ask yourself a Piscean sort of question: How can a perfect anything create an imperfect anything? Do you think that is actually possible? So clearly from this point of view God is an evolving force. And if you understand this and truly emotionally integrate it, then you will understand the very nature of evolution itself, i.e., during certain periods in galactic cycles God manifested itself primary through the feminine principle, which was then called the matriarchy. Then it manifested itself through the male principle, which was called the patriarchy and onward we go as these two distinct principles evolved over great lengths of time.

For God to evolve out of imperfection and toward perfection would need a basic structure that is stable in order for God to do this. So the basic structure (the Natural Laws of the Universe which God created) would need to be stable and perfect. Example, the natural law of gravity seems to be perfect. This natural law has not been defied (or has it?). So there must be some things that are perfect about God, and others not. There are slight imperfections such as the earth wobble, but on the whole the earth keeps on spinning in the same way. In terms of human Souls, have we been created with similar slight imperfections? The slight imperfections that began with the formation of the current (and dying) patriarchy lead to extreme distortions, with the pendulum now swinging back to the matriarchy. For the universe to exist, it needs to have the GLUE to hold it together. Surely this glue or Natural Law would need to be perfect?.....otherwise the Earth could spin off somewhere, or suddenly we could fly off the planet. The basic fundamental laws of physics would need to be perfect to sustain everything.

QUESTION: So is there anything at all that is PERFECT about God? Or is God completely unpredictable?

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How many in this room have not gone through disillusionment? And did you not find that when you were being disillusioned that it was one of the hardest experiences you could go through—the implied crises--but that it’s intentional from God’s point of view. ................... But this is intentional from God’s point of view. You’re then given the opportunity to rebuild yourself. So then the question becomes are you going to rebuild yourself relative to yet another illusion, or actual reality called God/Goddess—God/Goddess? This is the cycle perpetually.

QUESTION: Could we please look at a few chart examples with a view to understanding how a Soul would rebuild itself in relation to the actual reality of God/Goddess?.....incorporating an examination of the Planetary Nodes of Neptune, natal Neptune, ruler of natal Neptune, the house that Pisces is in.....within the context of evolutionary states: consensus, individuated and spiritual?

I am wanting to check my understanding of the south node of neptune. First, beyond natal neptune, 12 pisces etc., using the sn of neptune to find natural ways to spiritualize(along with it's ruler) was a new insight for me.

As I understand this, consciousness(neptune) which is natural to every soul is limited to both the human form/container we currently reside in AND the evolutionary stage the soul is at.

Through re-listening to EA Lectures of JWG,over and over, I've finally feel as though I'm getting this.Before I ask my question, I wanted to share a quote from Yogananda to help contextualize.

From a 1930's talk on Christ and Krishna: "Every human being is essentially a soul, covered with a veil of maya. Through evolution and self-effort, each human makes a little hole in the veil; in time, one makes the hole bigger and bigger. As the opening enlarges, the consciousness expands; the soul becomes more manifest. When the veil is completely torn away, the soul is fully manifest in him/her. That woman/man has become a master - master of their self and of maya."

So, in a sense, over lifetimes of evolution, as this "hole enlarges" or more veils are removed - more illusions dissolved(lots of disillusionment - from this perspective, relative to neptune's south node, would it be sound understanding to correlate this symbol to what has held(past tense) ultimate meaning in the individualized consciousness - relative to how much that consciousness has evolved?

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Yes. You can also include into this the natural planetary ruler of the S.Node of Neptune which for all of us in Aquarius and it's natural ruler Uranus. You can include the aspects to this Uranus and well as aspects to the S.Node itself.

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Let me try to say this another way -

So, the soul's journey has a past. The consciousness within the soul journey, relative to the sense of an evolutionary past and future, has a past. This past may not be as we perceive linear time; however in the sense that the consciousness does has a past, along the journey it continues to evolve further into the fullest potential of consciousness within the human form - would the south node of neptune then correlate to earlier in the soul's evolutionary journey the ways which it spiritualized? And then, relative to the soul's individual past, what held ultimate meaning within that soul's consciousness - and thus still resonates as such, coming through the 'now' as a way to naturally spiritualize and what still holds a sense of ultimate meaning within the consciousness - expressing outward relative to the stage at which the consciousness has evolved along the journey thus far(aka the evolutionary stage of the soul)?

Now coming back to this point of the perfect God, ask yourself a Piscean sort of question: How can a perfect anything create an imperfect anything? Do you think that is actually possible? So clearly from this point of view God is an evolving force. And if you understand this and truly emotionally integrate it, then you will understand the very nature of evolution itself, i.e., during certain periods in galactic cycles God manifested itself primary through the feminine principle, which was then called the matriarchy. Then it manifested itself through the male principle, which was called the patriarchy and onward we go as these two distinct principles evolved over great lengths of time.

For God to evolve out of imperfection and toward perfection would need a basic structure that is stable in order for God to do this. So the basic structure (the Natural Laws of the Universe which God created) would need to be stable and perfect. Example, the natural law of gravity seems to be perfect. This natural law has not been defied (or has it?). So there must be some things that are perfect about God, and others not. There are slight imperfections such as the earth wobble, but on the whole the earth keeps on spinning in the same way. In terms of human Souls, have we been created with similar slight imperfections? The slight imperfections that began with the formation of the current (and dying) patriarchy lead to extreme distortions, with the pendulum now swinging back to the matriarchy. For the universe to exist, it needs to have the GLUE to hold it together. Surely this glue or Natural Law would need to be perfect?.....otherwise the Earth could spin off somewhere, or suddenly we could fly off the planet. The basic fundamental laws of physics would need to be perfect to sustain everything.

QUESTION: So is there anything at all that is PERFECT about God? Or is God completely unpredictable?

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The 'glue' that holds the manifested Creation together, including all that which call Natural Laws such a gravity, is the Source of that Glue itself. Your use of the word 'perfect' is indeed relative to any given moment in time yet 'time' itself is ever evolving so that what can appear to be 'perfect' at one point in time becomes 'imperfect' from the point of view of another point in time. It is indeed the interaction of what we can call perfect relatively speaking and imperfect that is the essence of evolution itself that leads to a 'timeless' perfect which is when what we call God/ess becomes perfect within Itself.

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How many in this room have not gone through disillusionment? And did you not find that when you were being disillusioned that it was one of the hardest experiences you could go through—the implied crises--but that it’s intentional from God’s point of view. ................... But this is intentional from God’s point of view. You’re then given the opportunity to rebuild yourself. So then the question becomes are you going to rebuild yourself relative to yet another illusion, or actual reality called God/Goddess—God/Goddess? This is the cycle perpetually.

QUESTION: Could we please look at a few chart examples with a view to understanding how a Soul would rebuild itself in relation to the actual reality of God/Goddess?.....incorporating an examination of the Planetary Nodes of Neptune, natal Neptune, ruler of natal Neptune, the house that Pisces is in.....within the context of evolutionary states: consensus, individuated and spiritual?

I have a question in relation with the the South Node of Neptune being in Aquarius, reflecting the original matriarchal roots of the current desires in all Souls to spiritualize consciousness ... the connection of the natal Neptune with the Aquarius age, in the context of the current transition between Pisces age into the next Aquarius Age, would imply that the root of these desires, ie, the past of the Soul, is also symbolic of the future ways for the Souls to spiritualize consciousness ... ie. ways which will be in place for these Souls along the next Age ... is this correct?

... for me this is interesting to consider because it confirms that the current time frame is defined by a potential for accelerated evolution of Souls ... because it implies that the past is becoming the future now, and thus, the work on resolution of issues for past lifetimes related to the spiritual roots of the Soul, is at the same time, a work on the resolution of issues pertaining to the future of the Soul .... ie. the past and the future are contained and concentrated within the current time ... is this correct ?

I have a question in relation with the the South Node of Neptune being in Aquarius, reflecting the original matriarchal roots of the current desires in all Souls to spiritualize consciousness ... the connection of the natal Neptune with the Aquarius age, in the context of the current transition between Pisces age into the next Aquarius Age, would imply that the root of these desires, ie, the past of the Soul, is also symbolic of the future ways for the Souls to spiritualize consciousness ... ie. ways which will be in place for these Souls along the next Age ... is this correct?

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Yes

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... for me this is interesting to consider because it confirms that the current time frame is defined by a potential for accelerated evolution of Souls ... because it implies that the past is becoming the future now, and thus, the work on resolution of issues for past lifetimes related to the spiritual roots of the Soul, is at the same time, a work on the resolution of issues pertaining to the future of the Soul .... ie. the past and the future are contained and concentrated within the current time ... is this correct ?

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Yes. And what this will mean of course is if the original spiritual root will manifest again or not which itself is linked with the survival of the species. Within Aquarius is the triad of Libra and Gemini. Libra correlates with the Natural Law of giving, sharing, and inclusion. This is how humans were defined relative to groups of humans, Aquarius, for the balance of human's existence on our planet. In relatively recent times this Natural Law of course has become perverted to self-interest and exclusion which then causes one group of humans, or one human, then trying to compete with other groups, or a human, relative to the survival instinct itself. In turn this leads to dominance and submission. If this is not correct by going back to the original root, or past, and bringing that forwards into the future, then the extinction of the species is guaranteed.

"QUESTION: Could we please look at a few chart examples with a view to understanding how a Soul would rebuild itself in relation to the actual reality of God/Goddess?.....incorporating an examination of the Planetary Nodes of Neptune, natal Neptune, ruler of natal Neptune, the house that Pisces is in.....within the context of evolutionary states: consensus, individuated and spiritual? "

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My question: How many would like to do this ? If you are interested please let me know.

How many would like to do this ? If you are interested please let me know.

Hi Rad,

I would really like to see some examples (although I don't know if I can participate). In addition I'm sure this will help clarify the order of how to look at the various Neptune/Pisces/12th archetypes. What I mean by that is by looking at Neptune, Neptune's nodes, nodal rulers, planets in Pisces, planets in the 12th house, the planetary ruler of the 12th house, and all the aspects they are making, then the whole chart potentially ends up being involved! So, I'd really enjoy exploring some examples to see how the process systematically unfolds..

I too would be interested in going deeper into Neptune through example. I have a question related to your reply to Gonzalo's question:

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Yes. And what this will mean of course is if the original spiritual root will manifest again or not which itself is linked with the survival of the species. Within Aquarius is the triad of Libra and Gemini. Libra correlates with the Natural Law of giving, sharing, and inclusion. This is how humans were defined relative to groups of humans, Aquarius, for the balance of human's existence on our planet. In relatively recent times this Natural Law of course has become perverted to self-interest and exclusion which then causes one group of humans, or one human, then trying to compete with other groups, or a human, relative to the survival instinct itself. In turn this leads to dominance and submission. If this is not correct by going back to the original root, or past, and bringing that forwards into the future, then the extinction of the species is guaranteed.

Thinking about Lumeria and Atlantis, did something like this occur - an extreme imbalance that could not be corrected for some reason leading to extinction?