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I would say I am not a people person at all, yet people like my company for down time, personal time, etc. Just to hang out with, talk to, help them, etc. I can and will do anything by myself, yet people I know like to tag along with me and like my company. I notice this especially with SFP, NFP, and STP types, not so much NTPs.

yeah, i think it is about creating meaningful personal connections. when people find one they like to hold on to it.

i can relate to what you said. i really enjoy it a lot, i love when people actively want to hang out with me. there is a significance to it. it is energizing.

I would say I'm exceptionally bad at manipulating people, actually (though I'm not sure I've consiously tried, I have a fuzzy idea of what it means). Can't speak for other stps though, and I believe Estps, like entps, are very talented at this. Fe would probably be useful for this, and mine is not the greatest.

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The only "power" I have is that of reasoning with people. I can try my best to present my case and hope they see it the way I do. It works sometimes, but flops others. I don't like forcing people into doing things they don't want to do. My ENTP friend has no problem doing that. He's a bit ruthless at times. It honestly makes me uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by poki

Stick me around a table of people I dont know and I am bored. Stick me with someone who has a common interest and I will talk, put me in a place where the common interest is put into practice like actually 4 wheeling and I will have some fun.

I am incredibly manipulative. Sorry, but....I'm very good at reading people, and knowing exactly what I can and can't do with them. I could, but don't manipulate them for bad purposes. I am manipulative in the sense of getting what I want from people "above" me, like police officers, teachers, and bosses. I have never guessed wrong before, and there are certainly things I can't get from certain people, but for the times when I've thought I could, I always have been successful.

My ability to read people, is also really helpful for getting people to do things they don't want to do. It makes me uncomfortable to do that (and I don't) for bad purposes, but I've helped a large number of friends through substance abuse issues and other problems (like cutting class because they're lazy in HS/College). How? Because I instinctively know how much I can push, how much I can make fun of, how much I can threaten, etc, with a specific person.

Absolutely. I have no interest in finding out how things (cars, stereos, etc) work, but have always wanted to figure out how humans work. I do think the distinction between the E and the I is that the E does use that info to manipulate others whereas the I uses the same info to protect his or her own "space." One is offensive (literally and figuratively), the other defensive.

The ISTP troubleshoots any internal or external matter....fellow humans included. The object of the troubleshooting (be it a car or a roommate) is a matter of choice and preference...it is the troubleshooting and the what-makes-this-thing/person-tick itself that is the constant.

Absolutely. I have no interest in finding out how things (cars, stereos, etc) work, but have always wanted to figure out how humans work. I do think the distinction between the E and the I is that the E does use that info to manipulate others whereas the I uses the same info to protect his or her own "space." One is offensive (literally and figuratively), the other defensive.

The ISTP troubleshoots any internal or external matter....fellow humans included. The object of the troubleshooting (be it a car or a roommate) is a matter of choice and preference...it is the troubleshooting and the what-makes-this-thing/person-tick itself that is the constant.

I like to troubleshoot/figure out pretty much anything and everything. In regards to just general manipulation not just within people. I am good at finding ways to get things done whether its following a set of rules or figuring out a workaround. And I would agree to the defensive part as opposed to offensive.

Thinking about it a little more I would say that troubleshooting is the essence of myself. It requires almost no energy on my part and I can sit for hours, possibly days troubleshooting without any anger/frustration/exhaustion/etc. Resting only because my brain literally starts to hurt and I have to eat.

Pretty much every problem in life is handled in a troublshooting/objective matter. Looking at the facts, digging in, suggesting/trying solutions.

I read somewhere, I dont know where, that for an ISTP to really grow they need to take their strength and ability and turn it within towards themself.

Now I turned this to a troubleshooting thread, back to the manipulation topic

I don't know about you guys but I'm good at making excuses at work for shit that get toppled on me. In terms of troubleshooting overclocking my dual core processor from 1.8 to 2.4 was fun I had to tinker with the voltages and timings for hours, but that's because I enjoyed the end result of having a higher processor speed on my computer.

Lol, yes, manipulation all around for at least ESTPs. And how furious they get when you point out to them what they're trying to do (because to their mind, what they are asking is completely logical).

I think it is an awesome skill. At the same time, I cannot not respect it.

That said, I have found that ESTPs can completely misinterpret other people as well...it seems that their forte is influence rather than complete understanding...they are too self-invested to truly be masters at understanding.

Lol, yes, manipulation all around for at least ESTPs. And how furious they get when you point out to them what they're trying to do (because to their mind, what they are asking is completely logical).

I've rarely in my life been furious about anything, and when prompted by another to consider my actions/motivations, respond with diplomacy. In short, what you wrote above is rubbish, IMO. You want to see furious when they are questioned? Try an ESTJ type-A male. ESTPs are cool headed and smooth.

Originally Posted by Uytuun

I think it is an awesome skill. At the same time, I cannot not respect it.

(1) How can you disrespect a skill? It is the inappropriate utilization of a skill that is capacble of being disrespectable; the skill itself is not disrespectable, as interpretation of a skill's utilization is totally dependent on the context of the situation it is being implemented in.

(2) Are you under the assumption that others are concerned whether or not you respect them? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Uytuun

That said, I have found that ESTPs can completely misinterpret other people as well...it seems that their forte is influence rather than complete understanding...they are too self-invested to truly be masters at understanding.

The sheer ignorance of your remark is astounding.

Do you think ESTPs are the only MBTI type that can misinterpret other people?

And as far as our (ESTPs') forte as being one of "influence" rather than "understanding," that is a rather shallow thing to say, as it assumes your understanding is correct, and that of others is not.

Do not hate those that have the wherewithall to pursue their own will in real life. There are three types of people in this world:

(1) Those that can
(2) Those that will
(3) Those that can AND will

ESTPs are among the few people that consistently "can and will" get things done when needed, regardless if they are personally vested in the situation or not. ESTPs work WITH and THROUGH others to accomplish objectives, which is why we're so damn handy to have on a work team of any kind.

I think your beef is with selfish, unhealthy people, whom I guarantee you are of all 16 MBTI types, and no just ESTPs.