On 12/09/2009 daave wrote:>I am Officially Pissed off that a friend and I planned to do Hotel California>today but were completely DENIED!>>The wind on MIrrorball was SUPER strong! . It made it>freely for 2m after which it decided to get rightfully stuck!

a)there are 2 anchors on the pinnacle, I assumed you rapped on the downwind side
b) pull the knot over the edge before the last person raps (move knot over edge, pull up double strand, clip abseil device in below knot, put a stopper knot below this. hand over down till you are over edge and below knot, undo stopper and continue)
c)Use the better rap descent describe earlier (15m right of this, nowhere to catch ropes)http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=15&MessageID=7646
d) if you were doing HC, you had prussic loops, prussic back rope (20 minutes) and free it. If no prussics, don't go out on airy multipitch routes.

On 14/09/2009 gremlin wrote:>On 13/09/2009 egosan wrote:>>I that not the reason we climb? Because we don't know if we will get>>to the top.>>At the time i was considering giving up climbing for good...>In hindsight it was a heap of fun and it makes for a yarn back at the>pub... gotta love it! :P

What a crock of shyte, you're not giving up anything :P

The drill disaster did suck, but its all part of the adventure: lesson learnt, check ALL
gear before hauling the bastards in.

When we finally get to the top, the weeks of suffering will make it even sweeter :)

Over the year I have often picked up a bit of bar work here and there, when I was between other jobs or when I was studying or whatever. With my van coming up for rego and not a lot of other work happening in Goulburn at the moment I applied for a bar job at a local hotel and had an interview last Monday.

They rang during the week and asked me to come in at 4pm on Friday for a 2 hour trial. This is pretty standard and I had no worries. I went in yesterday and spent two hours working along side the manager, Belinda. At one point we were chatting and she mentioned that there was a young guy who was coming in a few days a week and doing a few hours and they weren't paying him for it. She said something like " He'll end up getting a job out of it eventually".

Anyway, this got the alarm bells ringing and when I finished my 2 hours she asked me if I could come in for an hour today as she wanted to see how I went when it was busy. I said OK but asked her if she was sure if she only wanted me for one hour. She said she was.

Now, having worked as a manager in a couple of pubs in the past, I know that every time an employee (or prospective employee) turns up for work, they are entitled to a minimum of 2 hours pay, even if they get sent home after an hour. That was my reason for asking.

So today I decided to ring her before I went in, just to clarify that if I only worked 1 hour they would have to pay me for 2. To this she told me that yesterday and today were only trials and I wasn't going to get paid for it. I replied that it is against the law for and employer to make someone do unpaid work trials.

I had barely got the words out when she said ''OK, well don't worry about the job then" and promptly hung up on me.

What really pisses me off is that employers still get away with shit like this. It pisses me off that some poor young school leaver has been working his arse off for these exploiting pricks and not getting paid for it, on the dodgy hope that he might get a job out of it.

It doesn't really worry me about not getting the job. I'll contact the Fair Work Ombudsman on Monday and I'll end up getting my 2 hours pay and hopefully they will get a fine and a bad reputation. I don't want to work for arseholes like that anyway.

It just really, really pisses me off thinking of the poor young bloke and god knows how many other people that have been exploited by these pricks and it pisses me off that these pricks have got away with it for how ever long they have.

I'm pissed that some people can't clean up after themselves! I was at Camels hump today and found quite a bit of rubbish strewn beneath Witch. I'm talking le-snack wrappers, manky socks, tissues, lollie wrappers...

Pick up your junk people!

Now that's off my chest I had a great day playing around on the rocks. I was too big a wuss to self belay TR Witch so i practiced setting up anchors and loved it. I still have a lot to learn skills wise and I love plugging in gear and making anchors.

On 22/05/2010 wallwombat wrote:>It just really, really pisses me off thinking of the poor young bloke>and god knows how many other people that have been exploited by these pricks>and it pisses me off that these pricks have got away with it for how ever>long they have.

So why don't you drop in as a customer (heh, heh, heh), sometime as you are passing by, and if you see the young fellow working, then wise him up? ;-)

On 22/05/2010 Miguel75 wrote:>I'm pissed that some people can't clean up after themselves! I was at Camels>hump today and found quite a bit of rubbish strewn beneath Witch. I'm talking>le-snack wrappers, manky socks, tissues, lollie wrappers... >>Pick up your junk people!

I agree whole heartedly. Out of interest...Did you pick it up?

We came across toilet roll yesterday going up central gulley Left side -right in the middle of the path... have to admit we didn't pick it up. x

On 23/05/2010 Sarah Gara wrote:>On 22/05/2010 Miguel75 wrote:>>I'm pissed that some people can't clean up after themselves! I was at>Camels>>hump today and found quite a bit of rubbish strewn beneath Witch. I'm>talking>>le-snack wrappers, manky socks, tissues, lollie wrappers... >>>>Pick up your junk people!>>I agree whole heartedly. Out of interest...Did you pick it up?>
I never behind any rubbish of mine (except fruit waste - that will be gone in three months anyway, so who cares if its out of sight).

Im more loath, however, to pick up other peoples rubbish - that just seems icky

I never used to pick up other people's rubbish -but it's freeing I feel better about the nice clean space and the next person who comes along doesn't have to think look at this rubbish that's icky.

Also I think if there is rubbish on the floor people are more inclined to leave their rubbish and then it gets worst.

Related to the other thread 13yr ols one - I was glad to see that the guy who climbed for the 20th time went up with the express intention of going up to bring rubbish down... That guy goesall the way up there to pick up rubbish but you won't pick up rubbish that's right next to you???

Also about the fruit - I think that completely depends where you are. I used to leave fruit lying about the place - but often it takes longer to break down than 3/12 and even if not people are still gonna have to cope with what is effectively rubbish for 3/12 -I throw apple cores out of the car window when I'm driving along empty stretches but I don't leave them at the bottom of climbs -icky!!!

On 23/05/2010 Duncan wrote:>Bottom of climbs =/= out of sight. Duh.
Im not sure what you are trying to say here.

I should clarify: Im not complaininig about other peoples rubbishm, I just said that I dont take it out cos I have this icky feeling about it. I take my own rubbish out no matter how small, large or icky.

Apple cores that are thrown well into the bush where it is very likely noone has been to in years have plenty of time to break down before the next person comes along. Also I would challenge anyone to find a small apple core long since turned dark brown and covered in dirt/dust in amongst leaf litter and other debris whilst casually walking past - as opposed to old bottles, plastic bags etc.

I was agreeing with you. You said that organic rubbish (like apple cores) are ok if "out of sight". Sarah then told you not to leave apple cores at the bottom of routes, which is quite obviously not "out of sight". See?