Suddenly, Everyone's In the CRASH Camp

Actually, Helig the breakers make perfect sense if you are one of the big Banks or Hedge Funds, which control the DTCC (the trade clearing house), and
have your High Frequency Trade black box set up to take advantage of the system. Its a way for the big boys to cash out, in the first few milliseconds
of a trading day, while the little guys are trapped and creamed mercilessly. If you are in the market at this point in time, you better get out quick,
before the death spiral begins.

That was kinda my point. They stacked the deck in favor of the big boys.
And you're right, if you're not involved in HF Trading then I suggest you get the hell out now because you cannot compete with this and YOU WILL get
creamed.

Actually, Helig the breakers make perfect sense if you are one of the big Banks or Hedge Funds, which control the DTCC (the trade clearing house), and
have your High Frequency Trade black box set up to take advantage of the system. Its a way for the big boys to cash out, in the first few milliseconds
of a trading day, while the little guys are trapped and creamed mercilessly. If you are in the market at this point in time, you better get out quick,
before the death spiral begins.

That was kinda my point. They stacked the deck in favor of the big boys.
And you're right, if you're not involved on HF Trading then I suggest you get the he'll out now because you cannot compete with this and YOU WILL
get creamed.

HF trading has been around for at least 10 years. In 2000, Goldman, Sachs & Co. even sent their CTO to spin off a computer
company to create a system specifically designed for HF trading. It contained 24 half-motherboards each running Linux and concentrated IO into a pair
of IO servers. Optimized for HF trading, the company had a hard time trying to find applications other than HF trading.

What is worse is the rhetoric coming from the EU. All their political posturing is causing uncertainty. Uncertainty brings volatility.

This does happen in the markets and most often happens in the last legs of a bull run.

We go up one more time before the next year - > three years in a non trending chopped market. One thing I would recommend when this happens is learn
price equilibrium theory and apply it to the SP 500 after we hit 1300. And we will.

Again, I must reference the energy crisis in the early 70's as we have fit that model of recovery almost eerily since early last April when I was
stating it way back then.

Anyway, I can't or do not wish to comment on silver as I have no clue and I am in gold but thinking about just getting out.. I am unsure it isn't
enough money to keep me awake, but still any open position still gives you nervousness IMO.

I do not discretionary trade for a reason anymore, the only reason is on a day to day basis unless you are in the beginnings of a bull or bear market
it is almost a coin flip as to what is going to happen. I might try a $5 dolla holla in forex sometimes and try to cash in on 200:1 leverage, but that
is my style.

Best bet would be to dollar cost average into positions that way you are always averaging in for a lower price than the current one. It is a
mathematical certainty and can't be disproved by any 1 time in history. So I will stick with that as far as advice until I we see DOW 0, and then I
won't have electricity to check it out anyway

In reality we've continued to compound our debt obligations and there is no backstop to sovereign debt. I like you relative optimism, I just hope you
don't let that optimism cloud your judgement in the coming weeks and months.

Maybe you should do a bit of research and see how the bankers that held gold started to lend more promise to pay the bearer on demand, real gold, than
they had in the volts.

200 years later things are much worse.

You would be better buying some garden tools that will not only help you to plant the garden but also usefull to defend yourself or if you must have
gold then ensure it's in your hand or go after something thats can be traded in smaller lumps like silver eagles that will set you back about $22
each.

We need people like you, i'm not haveing a go at you but you should consider what i say.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
We go up one more time before the next year - > three years in a non trending chopped market. One thing I would recommend when this happens is learn
price equilibrium theory and apply it to the SP 500 after we hit 1300. And we will.

I can see your a smart investor and did some profit taking to buy yourself a crystal ball and yes i think you could be right because all the trillions
of dollars created as digits by the banks need to gain a return called interest so it's off to the casino where the stakes on the fall of a ball get
higher.

The money is not productive if it is not being lent out to people that can afford repayments or is being used to create real physical wealth.

Now i know you don't agree with me but just make sure your out the casino before the lights go out else you will be left with nothing.

Debt doesn't bother me as we will always be able to finance this with our military power. It is the sad reality (for those other countries)

I'm not sure that's true anymore. Foreign debt buyers have been financing our military forays for some time now. It is my opinion that these
guys(China-Japan-Saudi Arabia) will eventually come to a point where they must decide between mismanaging their funds and potentially stoking
revolution for little in turn from the US, or they will cut the US off, cut their losses, and force our collapse for their own security.

You take this and the $1,500 Trillion global derivatives bubble
and just these two aspects point to a grim scenario.

They have been using tax payer money to short gold and silver
to hold the dollar afloat ???

That is a sure sign they are burning paper money to make metals
look bad on a naked short of precious metals.

They tried to kill the man that brought all this to light and its
gone to a CFTC investigation now, not that they are not paid
off stooges of the puppeteers as well.

The corruption is so pervasive and deep that just a lack of faith
is starting to have an effect and I think some ppl are hoping for that
so they can buy up things on the cheap once "the real" bottom hits.

I do not think we are there yet, and a LOT of ppl who have been
correct a LOT think the same thing.

Originally posted by unityemissions
Well I've been in the collapse camp since about 2004.

But you're correct. In the last 6 months, several people who I've been screaming at for
a few years now that it's all going to crash and burn are now saying the same, whereas originally they thought I was a bit crazy.

When the
(almost) majority are starting to see it, you know it's just around the corner. The cool part about this (personally) is that I'm mentally and
emotionally prepared after going through many scenarios over and over in my mind. I've practically lived through the apocalypse at least 1,000 times
already.

Me too, lol.... and I used to just have a BOB prepared...now I also have a camper fully stocked, and 3 houses fully stocked with food food food, , all
in different towns at different elevations, seeds, survival everything is all I have spent my money on for the past five years or so, even have
planters and things growing for in the camper all op on the section for the top bed.....we can sleep on the floor if we have too... I can take care of
my five year old, myself, and half the neighbourhood now.

We had to start using up some of the older stock, and have been living off of it for the past six months with a TON left, andmit has all been
replaced plus more already since we don't need to buy groceries, we just keep stocking up..... plus we have many different sized BOB, and even a
little backpack on us every day when we are out and about because you never know when... yeah I sounded crazy for so long, but now I just lok like a
responsible single mom!

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