[01/15/98 - This is the transcript of the press conference
held at 1:30 p.m. CST today by State Rep. Charles Key,
revealing new evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing
-- foreknowledge on the part of Congressman Ernest
Istook, and the involvement of a sect of Muslim fundamentalists
operating in Oklahoma City. The conference was carried
live on KTOK Radio AM 1000 in Oklahoma City. Please
pardon any typos. This transcript was prepared in a
great hurry. -- Michele]

KIM EDWARDS (KTOK Reporter): Jerry, a throng of national
and local media have gathered around the Survivor Tree
in downtown Oklahoma City, preparing to hear what testimony
Representative Charles Key is prepared to offer. Right
now, Glenn Wilburn's widow is at the podium, and she
is speaking to the press about her experiences with
the grand jury investigation that is looking into the
possibility that the government had prior knowledge
of the April 19th, 1995 bombing. After she is done
speaking, Representative Charles Key will come up to
the podium and he will release what he says is new
damaging evidence that the government did know, prior
to April 19th, that a bomb was going to go off at the
Murrah Building here in downtown Oklahoma City. Again,
right now, Kathy Wilburn, Glenn Wilburn's widow, who
was... Glenn Wilburn was crucial in getting this grand
jury started. She is now at the podium speaking.
Jerry, back to you.

BOHNEN: Okay, Kim. Now, based on information and such
from the Key investigation and their committee, I've
spoken with the two witnesses that they brought on
hand... I understand, at least, are to be on hand
for the announcement today -- a couple of Oklahoma
County Reserve Sheriff's Deputies. They have a story
to tell about what was told them the night of the bombing,
statements made by at least an Oklahoma Congressman
and an individual who was accompanying the Congressman
to the scene of the Murrah Building -- indications
of prior knowledge about the bombing and perhaps an
indication of at least a bomb threat that had been
made some ten days before the April 19th, 1995 bombing.
And again, this information being gathered by State
Representative Charles Key. Kim, let's listen to who
is speaking at this point now.

EDWARDS: Right now, Kathy Wilburn is still on the stand...
or still at the podium and then Representative Charles
Key is standing behind her with a crowd of other people
associated with the bombing investigation. Several
of his investigators are there with him. And there
are representatives from virtually all of the local
media outlets as well as CNN and the Fox News
Channel. A crowd of spectators has come away from the
fence now
and is also gathering around listening to what Kathy
Wilburn has
to say. Again, you talked about the deputies that say
they have
new information and they are there with Charles Key
as well.
I'm having some problems hearing you, Jerry, and I'm
going to
toss back to you for just a moment while I fix my audio
problems
at this end. And again, Kathy Wilburn is still speaking
at the
podium as we speak.

BOHNEN: Okay. While Kim clarifies that... The two
deputies
apparently were on guard duty the night of the bombing.
I've
interviewed them last night and the interview was embargoed
until now while they are preparing the news conference.
And
what their story is , is that one of them was on guard
duty in
front of the Water Resources Board when an Oklahoma
Congressman
approached them and happened to be talking about what
happened... you know, earlier in the day, and the Congressman
said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen. We blew
it."
There was apparently some right-wing, fundamentalist
Muslim sect
in Oklahoma City and the Sheriff's deputy made the comment,
"I
beg your pardon? What did you say?" "Yeah, we knew
it was going
to happen. We blew it." And at the same time, another
reserve
deputy was escorting one of the Congressman's aides
around and
at that point the aide told the reserve deputy that,
"Yeah,
Congressman indicated that there had been an April 9th
bomb
threat made to the federal building." Apparently no
documentation can verify or support the claims, but
certainly
these are two long-time members of the Oklahoma County
Sheriff's
Reserve who tell me that they've been haunted for the
past two-
and-a-half years by what they knew, that they said they've
talked freely about it with other Oklahoma County Sheriff's
deputies, indicating that whenever they would see news
media
coverage of the government denying any prior knowledge,
they
would almost laugh about it and say, "Well, we know
of at least
one individual who had supposed prior knowledge." Let's
see if
KTOK's Kim Edwards has his monitoring problem rectified.

EDWARDS: Yes, I do, Jerry, and you're exactly right.
The
deputies do say that they were haunted by this, knowing
that at
least one government official claims he knew that this
was going
to happen, and then that's why they finally decided
to come
forward. And apparently they will talk today and hopefully
answer questions about why they waited and what exactly
they
heard from Representative Ernest Istook on the night
of April
19th. Again, Representative Istook apparently -- or
according
to Oklahoma County Reserve Deputies -- said that he
knew this
was going to happen and talked about a bomb threat that
had been
called in on April the 9th and also claimed to have
knowledge of
a right-wing, fundamentalist Muslim group working in
Oklahoma
City. What we can tell you right now: at the podium,
Kathy
Wilburn, the widow of Glenn Wilburn, who was instrumental
in
getting the Oklahoma County grand jury to investigate
prior
knowledge of the bombing. She is talking to reporters
and others
that have gathered here at the bomb site about her experiences
since the day of April 18th. She is joined by Representative
Charles Key who is about to step forward to the podium.
And
let's go now live to the podium to cover the comments
made by
Representative Charles Key.

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): No one of us, and
no one,
would have ever wanted anything to have happened that
happened
here two-and-a-half years ago or the ordeal that we've
gone
through to simply find the truth. As we've seen with
the
deadlocked jury recently in Denver, it's obvious that
there is
much more to this case than what some in the government
want us
to know about. But the government refuses to admit
that there
were other murders and we know that there were.

Why do they refuse to admit that and why do they refuse
to
continue to look for them? Why has it been so difficult
to get
answers to the questions? Why have we been fought every
step of
the way in an unprecedented manner? When Glenn and I
and Kathy
and Edye and many others began this quest more than
two years
ago, we had a lot of questions, and we've had a lot
of those
questions answered since then. With these two witnesses
coming
forward today, we hope that many more questions will
begin to be
answered.

In October, Don Hammonds [sp?] and David Kulkendorfer
[sp?] came to us... contacted my office, I should say.
It took us several
weeks of playing phone tag before we could finally make
contact.
And just approximately six weeks ago we got together,
sat down,
and talked to them and heard their story -- the same
story
you're going to hear in just a few minutes. These men
are very
courageous. They're telling just the truth, just what
they
know, and we think that people deserve to know what
the truth
is. And the grand jury has had this information passed
to them
and they'll hear this testimony and see their sworn
affidavits
in the very near future. So I want to introduce right
now to
you David and Don. They'll tell their stories. After
they
finish, I'll come up and make a few comments, and then
after
that time, all of us will be glad to field any questions.
So
I'll introduce to you David at this time.

DAVID KULKENDORFER [sp?] (Oklahoma County Sheriff's
Reserve
Deputy): Hello. Can you hear me okay? My name is David
Kulkendorfer [sp?] and I'm an insurance agent in Oklahoma
City
by occupation. I'm also a reserve for the Oklahoma
County
Sheriff's office, a reserve deputy, which is my public
service.
And during the day of the bombing, I was on South Shields
heading north to an appointment when I saw a plume of
smoke go
up. I was at the intersection of S.E. 66th and Shields.
At
that time, I knew something bad happened. By the black
smoke, I
thought possibly an oil tanker or something exploded.
And by
the direction of the smoke, I said, "That's right downtown
and
something is wrong. They're going to need some help."
So I got
on the phone and called my office and told them to cancel
my
appointment, that I wasn't going to be in. I said,
"There is
something going on in the city and I'm going to check."
I think
that was my responsibility as a reserve.

When I got here... I got here about 9:30 and it was
very
chaotic, obviously most of you know. So I just basically
started to help and tried to do what I could do to be
of
assistance. I wound up down at the northwest corner
of the
building, and I entered the building at that point and
worked my
way through the building looking for survivors, calling
out to
see if anybody could hear me. And I worked my way along
with an
Oklahoma City police officer and an FBI agent. We worked
our
way to the seventh floor. And at that time, we were
heading
west to east on the seventh floor and a fireman came
from the
other direction and said, "You don't need to go that
way. I've
already cleared it."

So we were in the hallway heading back to go down the
stairway,
and on the south side of the building we could see people
running, scattering. We kind of looked at each other
and said,
"Well, what's going on?" And we heard, "A bomb! There's
another bomb! Get out of the building!" So we immediately
gathered ourselves and ran to the stairway and started
down the
stairs. And as we were going down the stairs, this
lady police
officer, she stepped on some debris and twisted her
ankle so we
basically had to carry her the rest of the way. As
we left the
building, the FBI agent picked up her up and carried
her to the
safe area. Well, after the "all clear," I came back
up and I
said, "Well, what I need to do is I need to get organized
and
get in uniform." So I called my wife and told her,
"Call the
office. I'm not coming back today. Get my uniform.
I'll meet
you at the Sheriff's Office." I met her at the Sheriff's
Office
and changed clothes and came back and pretty well just
tried to
do what I could do. We went into the building continuing
with
the search and rescue. Well, that went on throughout
the day.

Then that evening, when the rains came, we'd pretty
well backed
off and we went to our command post and got rain gear,
came back
out after the rain. And I was pretty well working the
northwest
corner when I was approached by a U.S. Marshal and said,
"We got
the building. The fire department turned it over to
us. This is
now a federal crime scene. We need to secure the area.
Nobody
comes in except...." He said, "Keep all non-essentials
out." I
said, "What's non-essential?" And he said, "The only
ones to
come in are the search and rescue and law enforcement."
I said,
"Okay." So, basically that was my responsibility from
that
point on, to keep everybody out.

Well, later on, during the evening, a lot of public
officials
started to show up. The mayor showed up with a contingency,
and
the district attorney, the governor, and several dignitaries.
I
was standing approximately in front of the Water Resources
Building, to try to keep people out and watching the
search and
rescue. As I looked to my left, I could see Congressman
Istook
kind of working his way east to west. Well, he worked
his way
up to me and he stopped to my left and introduced himself
and we
kind of small-talked a little bit about, "How's everything?
It's a bad, bad, bad deal."

And he made the comment to me, he says, "Yeah, we knew
this was
going to happen."

And I said, "Excuse me?"

And he says, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen.
We got
word through our sources that there is a radical fundamental
Islamic group in Oklahoma City and that they were going
to bomb
the federal building."

And I didn't say anything because I really had nothing
to say.
But a little bit of small talk later, he kind of looked
at me
and said, "What department are you with?"

He came over in front of me, and at that time I had
a raincoat
on and my campaign hat from the county. He looked at
the emblem
on the campaign hat.

And I said, "Well, I'm a deputy with the Oklahoma County
Sheriff's Office."

And he said, "Oh! I thought you were with the Highway
Patrol,"
and immediately stopped talking and turned around and
walked
away.

And really, the reason I haven't said anything to this
point...
Don and I have talked about it every time we were on
duty, and I
thought, "Since the grand jury was in session, I'm sure
this
information is going to come out. It's got to. Because
I'm
sure if he made a comment to me, other people know also."

And this last fair, when Don and I were working, we
got to
discussing it again, and Don said, "Well, let me do
this." He
said, "Let me call Representative Key anonymously and
tell him
what we have to say, and if they want to hear us, fine;
if they
don't, fine. But at least we'll know either they know
it or
they don't." So he called Representative Key and through
telephone tag we finally made an appointment and we
basically
said what we had to say. And later, Representative
Key called
us back for another appointment... another conference
and said,
"We need to take this to another level." He said, "What
you
have to say is very important." So that's why we're
here. And
like I said, that's all I know. I don't know the befores,
the
afters, or the what fors. All I know is this is what
was said
to me and that's what I'm repeating to you.

DON HAMMONDS: [sp?] (Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve
Deputy):
My name is Don Hammonds and I'm a businessman and I've
also been
a reserve deputy with Oklahoma County since 1992. And
I'm just
going to jump in right kind of where Dave... where we
were
working together on the northwest side. And our job
was to also
give people coming in, like the mayor and stuff like
that, hard
hats and make sure they had hard hats, and also not
to let
anybody take pictures.

I noticed a lady back behind me by a back hoe over there
taking
pictures. I went up there and approached her and told
her that,
you know, "You can't take pictures here, ma'am." And
she
identified herself as an attorney, Lanney... Lana Tyree
[sp?],
and she was with Ernest Istook. She said they were
friends and
she was an amateur photographer and that she was taking
pictures
for Ernest Istook.

So I agreed to let her come on in, but I told her she
had to
make sure she took pictures of... up, and no facial
shots of
anybody because they were photo sensitive. So she was...
I was
with her as she was taking pictures of the building
and stuff
like that. And she made a comment to me that Istook
told her
that they were aware of a bomb threat since April 9th,
and
that's all she said to me.

That's the kind of stuff that... after it all happened...
I
mean, you didn't really think much about it until this
grand
jury and stuff stated probing into it and people were
claiming
that there wasn't any prior knowledge. I started thinking
about
it and got with Dave, and we put two and two together.
I mean,
hey! Somebody knew about a prior bomb threat. This
ought to be
known. And you know, I was given a date -- April 9th
-- that
they knew about it, ten days before. And you know...

So we feel like, you know, it's only fair that everyone
knows
the truth that there is... you know, what's going on
and who
else knows about this. Thank you.

CHARLES KEY: Again, we'll take questions here in just
a moment,
but I guess some final thoughts are that we've had a
lot of
information. It's been a long process that we've been
through,
and it's probably still got a long ways to go. We've
had a lot
of people contact us with information, and I'm sure,
and I
understand the county grand jury, now that the two trials
are
over, they've had a lot of information come forward.
And I can
say to you that there will be more very significant,
dynamic
information like this come forward in the future. This
is just
the first of some major revelations that prove what
Glenn
Wilburn said quite a number of months ago, and that
he was right
-- that there was significant prior knowledge. And there
are
those that know that.

And I want to take this time to call again on people
that do
know information to come forward, take it to the grand
jury.
You can get it to our organization if you'd like. Because
the
truth needs to be told. It deserves to be told. And
many
people may be implicated because of their silence and
their lack
of action in regard to this. The people of this State
and of
this city and of this country deserve to know the truth.

There is no reason why you can't just lay all of the
facts and
the truth out about this case or any other case and
let justice
find its way through what the truth and what the facts
are. And
that's all we want. That's all most people want. And
I can't
think of any reason why that can't be done in this case.

Again, we've had so much trouble. We've been fought
in an
unprecedented way, at every turn and every step.

JERRY BOHNEN: You've been listening to a live coverage
on KTOK
-- a news conference held by State Representative Charles
Key
revealing the testimony or the claims of two Oklahoma
County
Reserve Deputy Sheriffs, that Congressman Ernest Istook
told
them the night of the bombing, "We knew this was going
to
happen, we blew it." So far, no comment from Congressman
Ernest
Istook, but we'll have him. He'll be joining us live
at 4:15
p.m. on the KTOK Afternoon Report. We're eleven minutes
away
from two o'clock. Live from the KTOK News Center, I'm
Jerry
Bohnen.

ERNEST ISTOOK (U.S. Representative from Oklahoma): --to
publicize such false and outrageous claims that are
just a bunch of garbage.

JERRY BOHNEN (New Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): But
did you talk with any deputies that night? Do you
recall specifically?.

ISTOOK: I talked with lots of people, just like all
of us did. All
of us were talking about-- among ourselves, talking
about, you know,
what's going on. The news media, KTOK, as I say, in
particular, was
broadcasting stories about the possibility that this
might be a spread
of Arab terrorism. So frankly, Jerry, you were one
of the ones that
were working on stories and the fact that people were
talking about
those stories is not the same as claiming now that people
were saying
they had advanced knowledge of the bombing of the Murrah
Building.

I certainly didn't. I know of nobody in government
that had any
advanced knowledge. The only people that I know who
had advanced
knowledge of the Murrah Building bombing were Terry
Nichols and
Timothy McVeigh, the people who have been convicted
of their
involvement. If there's more people, then let's let
the grand jury
and District Attorney Bob Macy get to the bottom of
it, and let's
do what I'm doing. Every time there's any way that
I can cooperate
with any sort of investigation that relates to this,
I'm doing it.
But you don't do it by just jumping on rumor mills and
trying to
publicize rumors rather than cooperating with law enforcement.

BOHNEN: In this case, I've talked to Lana Tyree [sp?],
the attorney
that one reserve deputy says he had a brief conversation
with her, and
he felt that she came on into the bomb site with you,
but Ms. Tyree says no, she was there independently
as a photographer and that she was there already before
you arrived.

ISTOOK: Well, that's correct. She was there also that
evening. There was, as you know, hundreds of people
on the scene that evening. And I think you can tell
your listeners what I know Ms. Tyree has told you,
that I never made any such claim that they are now
trying to say that, well, she said that Istook said
such-and-such, and she said no such thing. I'll tell
you, Jerry, there's some people that are just trying
to build rumor upon rumor, innuendo upon innuendo,
and it's hurting. It's draining the resources that
need to go into the investigation of the prosecution
of the people that were actually involved, rather than
taking up the time of investigators chasing down false
statements such as were publicized today. I really
take insult that these false statements were made about
me today.

BOHNEN: Representative Istook, I appreciate the time.
Thank you very much, sir.

JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000):
Good afternoon. Another step in the investigation of
the bombing by State Representative Charles Key.

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): With these two
witnesses coming forward today, we hope that many more
questions will begin to be answered.

BOHNEN: This, at an afternoon news conference to announce
the testimony of two reserve deputies from Oklahoma
who claim an Oklahoma Congressman had prior knowledge
of the Murrah Bombing. The county reserve deputies
claim Oklahoma Congressman Ernest Istook revealed the
night of the Oklahoma City bombing the government had
been warned about the possible attack.

Reserve Deputy David Kulkendorfer [sp?] recalls standing
on guard duty in front of the Murrah Building and talking
with the Congressman, and he says apparently another
Reserve Deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted attorney Lana
Tyree [sp?] who came to the bomb site with the Congressman
as well.

Both men stepped forward recently and told their story
to State Representative Charles Key who heads the investigation
of the bombing. Both Istook and Tyree deny it, and
Tyree is the attorney who spent time as an Oklahoma
City bombing site photographer. She says the two reserve
deputies are confused in believing she had information
about threats before the building was bombed. The
deputies say Tyree was at the site the night of the
bombing and accompanied Istook. She says, no, but
snapped some pictures of him with rescuers.

LANA TYREE (Attorney): Congressman Istook told me that
he appreciated it. I said, "How are things going?"
He said, "Fine." We just
basically small-talked for a moment and that was it.

BOHNEN: But one deputy claims Tyree told him Istook
had said there had been a bomb threat ten days before
the bombing. Tyree says this story is absurd. Key's
repeated statements suggesting the government might
have been tipped off to the bombing could be getting
him close to a legislative censure - so suggests Governor
Frank Keating today, who says he can't understand why
Representative Key continues to suggest the government
knowingly allowed the bombing to happen.

BOHNEN: And the governor praises Key's efforts, though,
to identify
others involved in the bombing plot.

Interview No. 3:
Transcript:

KTOK interview - 01/15/98:

ERNEST ISTOOK: (Congressman from Oklahoma): Garbage!

JERRY BOHNEN: (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000):
Good evening. It's what Congressman Ernest Istook
said today about the latest Oklahoma City bombing story
from State Representative Charles Key and his investigation.
He denies the claims of two reserve sheriff's deputies.
The two say they were told two years ago by Congressman
Istook the government knew of the bomb threats against
the federal building. Deputy David Kulkendorfer [sp?]
says Representative Istook told him the night of the
bombing, as the two stood in front of the Murrah Building:

DAVID KULKENDORFER [sp?] (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy):
He said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen,"
and then he started to elaborate. He said that their
sources-- I can't remember the exact terminology, but
it was their sources, were aware of a Muslim fundamentalist
right-wing group in Oklahoma City, and that they were
to bomb the federal building.

BOHNEN: Another reserve deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted
attorney Lana Tyree who reportedly came to the site
with Istook. She was snapping pictures.

DON HAMMONDS [sp?] (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy): She
just was saying that Istook said that they were aware
of a bomb threat since April 9th, and the reason I
remember April 9th so well is because right away I
went, you know, the 19th and 9th, and there was a ten-day
gap, and you can remember that ten days so easy. And
I thought, "Man, they had ten days' prior knowledge
of this."

BOHNEN: The two reserve officers say they've been haunted
for two years about what they heard the night of the
bombing. They recently met with investigators for
Charles Key and told their story. As for the Oklahoma
City attorney, Tyree, she says it is absurd. She tells
me she didn't tell any deputy Istook had told her of
an April 9th bomb threat to the building.

LANA TYREE [sp?] (Attorney): Well, the deputy is apparently
confused. The facts that he stated are not correct.

BOHNEN: She had credentials to be an independent photographer
for law officers and rescuers, but says no one ever
told her the government had any warning of the attack.
She says the two deputies are confused.

Interview No. 4:

JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Garbage!
It's what Congressman Ernest Istook is saying today
about some of the investigation revelations by State
Representative Charles Key into the Oklahoma City bombing.
First a report from KTOK's Kim Edwards about the claims
of Representative Key.

KIM EDWARDS (KTOK News Reporter): In an afternoon news
conference set in the shadow of the Survivor Tree,
Charles Key praised two witnesses that are willing
to testify U.S. Representative Ernest Istook had prior
knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing.

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): These men are very
courageous, they're telling just the truth, just what
they know, and we think that people deserve to know
what the truth is.

EDWARDS: The witnesses are Oklahoma County Reserve
Deputies, David Kortzendorfer [sp?] and Don Hammonds
[sp?]. They were both on duty at the Murrah Building
the night of April 19th after the bombing occurred.
Kortzendorfer says Istook told him point-blank, quote,
"We knew this was going to happen. We blew it." Hammonds
says he talked to Attorney Lana Tyree [sp?]. She told
him Istook was aware of a bomb threat since April the
9th. Ernest Istook denies the
allegations, as does Tyree.

BILL BATEMAN (KTOK News Reporter): Congressman Ernest
Istook says Representative Charles Key has hurt his
caused by making irresponsible and erroneous statements
today. He's referring to a news conference earlier
in the day in which Key claimed Istook said there was
prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing. Istook
says he's not part of any conspiracy of silence about
the bombing. He says he's insulted by today's remarks.
Istook says he's been friends with Charles Key for
years, and all Key would have had to have done is pick
up the phone in the last two-and-a-half years and ask
him if there was any advanced warning. He says that
never happened. At Congressman Istook's office, I'm
Bill Bateman, KTOK News.

BOHNEN: And attorney Lana Tyree [sp?] makes the same
claims, denying she ever had any information about
the prior knowledge and that bomb threats were made
before the bombing. Two reserve deputies again say
Tyree told one of them the night of the bombing that
Istook had said there had been a bomb threat ten days
earlier.

LANA TYREE (Attorney): Nobody, any time, anywhere,
ever related to me any knowledge of any bomb threats
at any time.

BOHNEN: And she says the deputies are confused. Tyree
[sp?] says she was an independent photographer and
credentialed for the bomb site and was there when Representative
Istook arrived. The deputies said Tyree arrived with
Istook. But Tyree says she only took a few pictures
for the Congressman.

JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000):
State Representative Charles Key made another advancement
in his bombing investigation today, presenting two
reserve county sheriff's deputies who claim they were
told the night of the bombing by Congressman Ernest
Istook the government knew of the coming attack. Representative
Key, the Congressman denies it, calls it garbage, and
so does attorney Lana Tyree [sp?] who was also named
in the claims of the deputies. Any reaction about
that?

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): Well, I guess on
the one hand it is to be expected. It's unfortunate
that this had to happen like this, but it's -- the
fact is, these two gentlemen - and I have to emphasize
the word "gentlemen," very credible individuals - came
forward and they had sworn affidavits. They are willing
to go before the grand jury. They have nothing to
gain and everything to lose by doing this. And their
statements are as true, I believe, as they say they
are, word for word.

BOHNEN: I talked to Lana Tyree [sp?] and to the Congressman.
Both believe-- I think Lana Tyree more than the Congressman
perhaps-- that the deputies are simply confused about
what they heard and the order of how they heard it
and things like that.

KEY: Well, I've heard some of the responses on some
of the media
accounts so far, and what's always interesting to me
is when you have
Congressman Istook or others who have responded to things
like this,
that they like to say time affects their memory and
they are
misunderstanding now. You know, it always is a one-way
street.

Their memory is affected, but Congressman Istook's is
not. When
he says things like I've had these people make false
statements,
that's absolutely ludicrous. These people came to us.
We were
very careful in how we handled their testimony.

So, you know, it's always a one-way street on these
kind of deals.
And these guys are willing to take polygraphs. They're
willing to
go before the grand jury. And they, like I, have a
whole lot to
lose because of this and not much to

KEY: Well, frankly, after everything that weve-- I
think the best way
to understand and answer that is for people to understand
everything
that we've been through. We've been viciously and personally
attacked from the very beginning, and misrepresented
in many cases along the way. And I didn't expect to
have the kind of response that you would want to have.
I think the response-- What I mean by that is I would
expect somebody like the Congressman or Lana Tyree
on the one hand to possibly deny this. They had their
opportunity to say what they believe was the truth,
or what they want to represent as being the truth,
and I think it just needs to be left there and let
the grand jury look at it.

BOHNEN: In other words-- I have a question then about
your role and the investigators and such and what you're
trying to do. I mean, should there be some quality
control over what you're finding and what you're trying
to present to the grand jury? Do you feel maybe you
shouldn't have to actually investigate and verify or
give more credence to the claims of some of the people
who are coming to you with their stories?

KEY: Well, the bottom line, Jerry, is that there is
quality control,
and we have gone very thoroughly over what these people
and everything else that we've done. Quality control
in my opinion would not include going to the Congressman,
as in this case, or the attorney Lana Tyree, and if
they would have responded and said, "No, we didn't
make those statements," then we don't bring it before
the grand jury. On the contrary, I think it goes before
the grand jury anyway. That's the proper way to do
it.

BOHNEN: And the Governor today making a statement as
well that he thinks you're flirting with legislative
censuring.

KEY: Well, the Governor makes a lot of statements without
thinking.
The Governor has said a lot of things about this bombing
case that will come back to haunt him. And he needs
to show a little restraint about what he says in these
kinds of situations because there's a lot of
evidence out there that is going to continue to prove
and back up the
fact that there was prior knowledge. You know, you
have about 500
people who are victims, family members and survivors
of the bombing, who have signed on and have the opinion
that there was sufficient prior knowledge on the government's
part, or they should have had sufficient prior knowledge
because of the information they had. That is a huge
amount of people, compared to those that are represented
by the Governor and others from time to time as being
survivors and family members that are on the opposite
side of the fence on this issue. There is a huge discrepancy,
but it's on the favor of those that say there are serious
problems with the government's case, and they'll continue
to back up their side of the story.

BOHNEN: Final note here. You're not finished with
all of this. You
say you're going to have some more very dramatic or
serious revelations in the coming weeks?

KEY: Yes, there will be more like this, and some might
even say they're more dynamic than this revelation
today. And the information that we know about continues
to convince us even more than we've ever been convinced
before that this is a significant cover-up of prior
knowledge of a sting operation that went wrong and
there's a lot of people covering their hind-sides to
keep that from coming out, but it is coming out.

BOHNEN: Representative Charles Key, thank you for
your time.

KEY: Thank you.

BOHNEN: We're at twenty minutes past five on the KTOK
Afternoon Report.