Not at all true. The majority of this teams shortcomings are on defense and OL. A ball control offense (the complete opposite of what Manning runs) Protects the defense, and a mobile QB hides the OL woes.

Well, first downs and scoring, things the Tebow offense mostly struggled with, help the defense even more than "ball control". The best thing an offense can do is score, and I'm willing to bet a healthy Manning is going to dramatically increase the scoring. Some of you guys get way too hung up on TOP. It's about scoring!

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

There's a 2-3 year window with Manning. If you're being "sane" you better be talking about a title in that time period.

I'm not as worried about the "window" as many seem to be. Again, we're better in that window with a healthy Manning than with Tebow. I don't think EFX believes in Tebow, so they're using Manning as the bridge between the now and the QBOTF. They see Manning as a better bridge than Tebow. With Manning we've got a better shot to do something in the short term. No guarantees, but you have to take some risks to achieve anything.

If you don't realize that a QB with a quick release does TONS more to help out an OL than a guy who runs around, then you are simply football ignorant.

Yup. No matter how much you like Tebow if you're of the opinion that this team won't be instantly better with Manning then you're really out of your depth in this discussion. Plus these guys all seem to discount the possibility that the team will do other things to improve via FA, trades and the draft.

Wow, 52 pages arguing over something that has ZERO chance of happening.

Again with the definitive statements on things about which you lack full information. Say "zero chance" is just stupid. Unlikely? Sure. But there's certainly a chance. You could make a pretty solid case that we're one of the frontrunners right now! That's a hell of a lot better than zero. Why do some of you people even bother?

Brian Griese makes the case for Peyton Manning in Denver
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 9, 2012, 9:50 AM EST

Brian Griese, the former Denver quarterback who is now the Broncos’ radio color commentator, believes that the Broncos are one of the favorites to land Peyton Manning.

Griese said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that he thinks the Broncos like Manning and that Manning should like the Broncos, and that there’s a good chance of a deal getting done.

“I think it’s very realistic,” Griese said. “More realistic than people would realize.”

One of the reasons for that is the man who ultimately calls the shots in Denver, John Elway, knows from first-hand experience that an older quarterback, even one who may have lost a little bit physically, can win a Super Bowl.

“John Elway won two Super Bowls when he was 37 and 38 in Denver,” Griese said. “I think Denver is certainly in play.”

Griese said he believes Elway will woo Manning by talking up the talent that’s already on the Broncos’ offense, especially left tackle Ryan Clady, and say that the Broncos will be aggressive in upgrading at the areas where they’re lacking. Elway will tell Manning that he’s going to put a Super Bowl-quality roster around him.

“The differentiating factor in Denver will be John Elway and his ability to connect with Peyton Manning,” Griese said.

So what about the man Elway has vowed will be the starter heading into training camp?

“It’s not about Tim Tebow. This is not a situation where Tim Tebow would be cut or released or traded. He’s got three years left on his contract,” Griese said. “This is not a situation where the Broncos are giving up on Tim Tebow. I think this is more about trying to win a Super Bowl with a team that they have now and adding Peyton Manning, and where that puts them in relation to the rest of the league, and the opportunities they have.”

Griese even said he thinks Tebow could get some playing time on the field with Manning.

“Tim Tebow wouldn’t get on the field as much but I still think he could get on the field and play a role with Peyton Manning,” Griese said.

Peyton Manning lining up under center in Denver with fullback Tim Tebow behind him? It might just be crazy enough to work.

If you don't realize that pass pro is a weakness for this OL, you're very much in the same boat.

Your statement does nothing to refute the fact that a great passing QB can mask such weaknesses. Manning's tackles were crap in 2010 and yet he still passed for 4700 yards and was only sacked 16 times. QBs who run around a lot actually tend to get sacked more than pocket passers because they are always trying to extend the play. Believe it or not, the sack rate was twice as high with Tebow than the pocket sloth Orton (10.9% versus 5.5%).

Yup. Dedhed said a day or two ago there's no chance, and was so sure that he even threw out a year ban bet on it. And then he argues with me when I say that he needs to stop making definitive statements...