Even as I read about the stock market making new highs, I keep reading about more Americans on food stamps than ever before, more Americans quitting the workforce, old people who can’t get a decent income from their savings anymore, business people who can’t start businesses or who are cutting back or even shutting down, and Americans struggling under their debt loads and unable to make ends meet.

This is in Obama’s fifth year. Whom is Obama’s economic recovery (such as it is) for? Cui bono?

My answer is: Obama’s policies benefit the Big Government – Big Banking – Big Labor elites, in that order of seniority. My next question is: how did the world get to the point where the people who support Obama’s elitist policies are supposedly friends of the little guy?

Why isn’t Big Government recognized as the ultimate ‘special interest’? Why aren’t we all laughing in Obama supporters’ faces, when they pretend to stand for the People? And what will it take to get the average person to understand that she would find life much more feasible and affordable, if only America would return to a system of (genuine) free enterprise under sound money and small government?

Because, ILC, we are polite and operate with some sense of right and wrong and basic decency.

They, on the other hand, are malevolent bigoted fascist pigs who sicc government agencies like the IRS and FBI on anyone who votes against or criticizes Barack Obama.

This blog is REGULARLY called by the Obama Party and the Obama Party’s supporters a “Jewish Nazi” site where the commenters are “self-loathing”, should not be allowed to vote, and should kill themselves.

When you put all that into context:

-You can either go along or pigs like rusty will scream at you that you’re a homophobe and that your children should have been aborted.

-You can either go along or pigs like Pat will scream at you that you’re a homophobe who wants gay teenagers to kill themselves.

-You can either go along or pigs like concern-troll mike and Donny D will scream at you that you’re a racist who wants to put black people back in chains and poison the environment.

I could go on, but you get the point. Obama supporters are pigs, filthy disgusting pigs, and they are not mentally or morally capable of thinking past the ideology that spews out of their filthy lying mouths. Worse, they will not stop screaming at you and calling you names until you do exactly what they say.

There is no reasoning with them. They are irrational hatemongering bigots, and if you don’t do as they say, they will namecall you until it happens. We see this all the time from their worthless screaming child Obama, who every single speech says that if you disagree with him you’re a murderer, racist, bigot, homophobe, liar, corporate shill, etc…..

The way it will stop is as the Islamists have shown us. Liberals only respect force, pain, and rioting. They only stop and give people deference when they are threatened with death.

That is not the way the American system should operate. But pigs like Obama and all of his supporters have nothing but contempt for the American system, and see government as their means to force us all into slavery so that they can live off our labor.

Will Bernanke actually cut pumping $85 Billion month of funny money into propping up the stock market and European banks as he has signaled? Will Larry Summers (of the inside-old-boys-network whose schemes got us here) get the Chairman of the FED job? Will Bernanke go to the IMF? Who will rid us of these charlatans and shysters? When willTim Geithner resurface in this ever-growing Ponzi scheme?

The liberals refuse to face facts. Instead of asking about them on the national level, explain how the liberals in California keep digging the debt hole deeper and deeper while they preach hope and change and new paradigms and thinking outside the box and blah, blah, blah……

A Section 8 apartment I know of, just rented for $1000. The occupant’s share as calculated by the Section 8 formula is $50 and we taxpayers pony up the $950. I am fairly confident that the occupant gets medicaid, food stamps, EIC, WIC and whatever else.

How much would the occupant have to earn to cover what the occupant gets from welfare? Looking at just an apartment outlay rising from costing $50 a month to covering the full $1000 a month is enough to convince any sentient welfare recipient that taking the risk of self-sufficiency is beyond insane.

Take the 47% of the population that receives government entitlements and then add the next 30% of the population and you have nearly four fifths of the nation that is frankly strapped for boosting the economy through tossing around disposable income.

I have read that the average household below the poverty line gets $168.00 a day in government support. The median household income for wage earners is around $137.00 a day.

Maybe these figures are cooked in some way to make a point, but even if they were reversed and the government support was $137 per day to $168 per day for the worker —– why would the person on government support pitch it all for an extra $31 a day? Workers get laid off, fired, have their hours reduced. The people on government support are just like all government employees: they never get fired.

We are talking about the tipping point. As long as people turn on the TV and see the affluence thrown around on the various shows, it is easy for them to believe that the world they don’t experience is full of money and all manner of senseless consumerism. They live in a culture warp where they envy a place in the fantasy world of what TV passes off as reality.

A friend sent me one of those e-mails we all get, but I rather likes this one portion:

“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

What is the process for stopping this progression somewhere in the “abundance” phase? Or, once you pass it and enter the dependence stage, how do you reverse direction?

“And what will it take to get the average person to understand that she would find life much more feasible and affordable, if only America would return to a system of (genuine) free enterprise under sound money and small government?”

I see two ways:
1st stop calling folks “pigs.” That will go a long way to gain any type of credibility.
2nd – Remove the word “genuine” and just focus on the current structure.

The fact is Big Government = lots of folks who are doing what voters want. Folks want the government to regulate things like worker safety, food safety, environmental protections, roads, educate the masses, provide benefits to the retired, ensure that poor folks don’t starve, ensure poor kids have a chance, help businesses get loans, ensure a strong military, deliver the mail and on and on and on.
Unfortunately, the Government just does these things inefficiently and often infectively.

Republicans would once again potentially have my vote if they went back in time to where they many years ago when they were talking about solutions to the inefficiency. Things like RomenyCare, or when Newt Gingrich saw the value of a single payer system. Unfortunately now-a-days conservatives “ideas” are just the Gimmicky Ryan Budget, social conservatism, criticizing Obama for embracing entitlement cuts and just opposing everything possible in the hopes of scoring points to revive their base.

Conservatives need to drop the utopiaistic libertarian fringe and start focusing on governance and how to delivery these wanted services more efficiently.

To play to my apparent stereotype I am very “concerned” that the republicans are going to go too extremist in the next cycle and lose the house. A unified government under Dem rule would be a disaster.

#5:
Here are some links that the USA populations WANTS big government and will support taxes to pay for it. I found these in about 5 min and didn’t go through them closely. Furthermore, I am never a fan of legislating by the poll numbers, but the point behind these links is to show that Big Government is here because the citizens of this country wants it.

Therefore its a reality and to wish it away won’t do any good. Whats needed is to Fix it, not starve it.

Notice how mike’s entire rant is nothing more than a demand that we keep pouring slop.. sorry, “services”….into his trough.

And the reason why is evident from heliotrope’s post. Why should mike put in a honest day’s work when he gets paid more for laying on his couch and wallowing in filth?

Worse, they like it that way. Mike spews platitudes left and right, but the simple fact is that he squeals like a stuck…well, of course….when anyone talks about reducing payments to people who don’t work, which is all entitlement cuts are.

This speaks to ILC’s conundrum. Thanks to Obama Party malfeasance, we have become a society of the working class, who believe government exists to enforce the law, and the welfare class like mike, which believes government exists to fill their troughs and punish anyone who has more than they do.

That’s all it is. Mike is a lazy worthless pig who does nothing but squeal and demand more entitlement slop for breathing. He does nothing but consume. He and his fellow 47% Obama pigs do nothing but sit on their fat asses and scream how everyone else owes them a living, led on by their hog king Obama who openly loathes working people, screams “you didn’t build that”, and siccs the Federal agencies on those who dare criticize him and his fellow welfare pigs.

Fat pig mike is not going to stop stealing until it becomes painful for him to do it. So the short answer is an immediate across-the-board slash to entitlements with a mandate that those who wish to live in welfare be required to put in eight hours of indentured labor a day for the Federal government — which also provides a nice basis for slashing the Federal workforce that gets paid six figures to illegally harass Obama’s political opponents.

Put up or shut up, welfare pig mike. You and your Obama want “investments” in “infrastructure”; let’s see how long that lasts when you actually have to dig dirt, carry concrete, and put some sweat into earning it instead of sitting on your ass. Think how many potholes could be fixed if you and your fellow welfare recipients were required to do it — and at no cost, since we would just pay you what you’re earning now in welfare.

How about it, pig? Do you actually want to work? Or do you just want to get fat at others’ expense?

Whoring for big government entitlements is at the core of littlelettermike’s belief system. This this advice on how Republican could regain the futile position of “potentially” getting his vote:

Conservatives need to drop the utopiaistic libertarian fringe and start focusing on governance and how to delivery these wanted services more efficiently.

What a “utopiaistic” fascist state littlelettermike envisions. The Demonizingrats puke funny money at fire hose rates and the dutiful Republicans run around doing efficiency studies.

It should be like great interstate public johns where the Democrats whiz all over the place and the Republicans mop up and restock the toilet paper.

It must be enormously frustrating to have to think out solutions the way littlelettermike struggles to do. At some point, you would think that littlelettermike would just rather put all the conservatives in one spot and let them stew in their own juices.

It doesn’t matter how much lower case mikey likes a big Government that takes things away from other people and gives them to him, and furthermore punishes people he doesn’t like through its brownshirt agencies like the IRS, the FBI, the ATF, the NLRB, and the rest of the giant bureaucracy he loves.

Whether he likes it or not, it is unsustainable. Trillion dollar deficits and a flat economy prove it. It’s falling down, it weighs a lot, and people like mikey are going to be crushed when it finally, inevitably, collapses.

That’s true, V the K, but pigs like mike can’t be threatened with future consequences because they are imbeciles and children.

To use heliotrope’s apt analogy, a three year old does not understand that peeing on the walls makes a mess that has to be cleaned up. They just want to pee on the wall, and they think you’re “unfair” and just making things up when you talk about consequences.

You see this all the time with Obama supporters. They do not understand cause and effect or consequences. They, like mike, live in a delusional word where someone else pays the bills, someone else cleans up the messes, and the only thing that is required of them is breathing.

Reminds me of something we were discussing in church on Sunday; about some eight year old boys who wanted to clear some brush for a bonfire. They snuck into a cabin and “borrowed” some matches. They were very pleased with themselves when they saw how quickly the fire was clearing the brush. But then, the fire continued burning and accelerated until it threatened an old growth forest and the homes of people who lived in the canyon.

Very much like liberals. They see a problem, and they start a program to take care of it. They are very pleased with themselves for having ignored the warnings from adults that they shouldn’t play with matches. Then, as the adults warned it would, the program becomes destructive and out of control. And liberals just stand around saying “It wasn’t supposed to do that.” Or, more often, yelling at the people who are trying to put out the fire.

You know ILC, I agree–“Obama’s policies benefit the Big Government – Big Banking – Big Labor elites.”
But you should add “Big Business” elites–I think they do swimmingly. And there should also be a general recognition that the other side will do so as well–especially when it comes to Big Business and Big Banking elites. So, it just depresses me…

Just because “the people want it,” i.e., government so-called “services,” doesn’t make it morally okay. Legal Plunder, as my hero Bastiat called it, is at its core IMMORAL. Just because you do “good things” with the money doesn’t make it any less a theft from the person who earned it.

And there should also be a general recognition that the other side will do so as well–especially when it comes to Big Business and Big Banking elites. So, it just depresses me…

Absolutely correct!

But then, that’s why I identify as a conservative/libertarian, who happens to vote (R) as a recognition of ‘the lesser of two evils’ (although I’m fed up with using that rational every time I cast a vote).

I don’t want my money being taken by force and given to anyone: from the ghetto dwelling crack addict to the centimillionaire owner of a business/professional sports franchise so that a new sports stadium/arena can be built (Yippee! Just what we need).
That’s ‘crony capitalism’ and ‘rent seeking’, and is never to be confused with real capitalism and free markets.

I’m sorry that it depresses you; it just pisses me off.

Try some anger instead; it can be a motivator. Depression doesn’t motivate anyone to do anything.

You know ILC, I agree–”Obama’s policies benefit the Big Government – Big Banking – Big Labor elites.”
But you should add “Big Business” elites–I think they do swimmingly. And there should also be a general recognition that the other side will do so as well–especially when it comes to Big Business and Big Banking elites. So, it just depresses me…

Comment by Passing By — May 28, 2013 @ 12:08 pm – May 28, 2013

Shut up, pig.

You and your fellow sick pigs loathe business, loathe productive work, and scream night and day that anyone who owns a company is stealing from the public.

As you constantly demand more and more slop from the government so you can sit on your fat ass and do nothing.

Businesses make products. Businesses provide services. Businesses sell goods. Businesses and the people who run them get up in the morning and go to work day in and day out.

And what do you do, pig? Sit in your filthy sty and demand more slop. Always more slop for less and less work, less and less education, less and less anything.

You scream and rant that Republicans are evil because they believe that those who work and build businesses should be able to benefit from them. That just exposes you as an entitlement-addicted welfare pig who wants her slop trough filled without her having to lift a finger to get it.

Barack Obama is Charles Foster Kane, without the talent, commitment or work ethic.

He is a professional victim, relying upon the malevolence of his perceived enemies to determine his next move.

To defeat him, one need only do what effective bloggers have done for years when faced with trolls: ignore them. Refuse him his martyrdom, and he will do what the Chicago Police Department has done for decades when dealing with a wanted, yet altogether untalented, undereducated and egocentric wanted fugitive: they’ll eventually stick up the liquor store located less than a block from the local police district.

Let Obama hang himself, and he’ll find himself right back where he belongs.

Mike, the government is going broke. All the damn Democrats want to do is buy votes with giving people benefits the Federal Goverment can not afford to pay. Wake up!!!!!!!!! What we need is smaller government on both the federal and state level. The only people not hurt by the current down turn in the economy are people who have federal and state jobs. Washington is flurishing. I would love to have a government pension with all the benefits.

“(although I’m fed up with using that rational every time I cast a vote)”
S0, you know that Reps, just like Dems, are going to disappoint you–time after time. What other options are there, Jman1961? Armed insurrection is a no-no in my book. Third party? With the antiquated voting system we have in place–very very unlikely. Vote right or left libertarian? Never get in–too heavily marginalized. You can build up a presence in the party–but getting marginalized because of it.

I think we are going to have to wait till external circumstances create the conditions to actually bring about the change that is needed. You and I both agree it has to change, and that the current path is unsustainable. We disagree about what changes need to be done.

“Try some anger instead; it can be a motivator. Depression doesn’t motivate anyone to do anything.” I take the point. PIL said it–“anger is an energy” but it is an energy that can all too easily lead to destruction (and not the creative kind). Perhaps “depression” is not the word I am looking for–perhaps “purposeful or watchful stoicism” or something like it may be a better term.

It’s NOT utopian to use a government monopoly on legalized force to extract money from the citizenry to pay for pretty goodies for moochers. All so we can build small-m his perfect little world. No, of course not.

All that must be done is that a word must be repeatedly used in a particular context until the people are brainwashed. The stupid, and those too lazy to think, can indeed be reprogrammed by this method.

There is nothing “utopian” about believing that the best ideas are capable of prevailing by means of persuasion instead of coercion, or that big government attracts “public servants” who want to rule the people instead of serving them.

the point behind these links is to show that Big Government is here because the citizens of this country wants it.

That doesn’t matter. This is the reason the founding fathers established a constitutionally-limited republic and not a true democracy: to prevent the majority from infringing upon anyone’s natural rights (i.e. the rights that every single person are unequivocally entitled to and can never, under any circumstances, be taken away justifiably). The problem with the current U.S. government (and probably ever other government in the world) is that it allows for people’s natural rights to be infringed upon (or directly infringes upon people’s natural rights), because it has gotten too big.

The problem with the current U.S. government … allows for people’s natural rights to be infringed upon… because it has gotten too big.

Yeah, and the choice between a Big Government Demoncrat Party and a Big Government GOP is why some of us have just given up on politics. Let it burn.

Our bureaucratic welfare state was constructed during a period when there were a large number of producers and a small number of beneficiaries; when the USA had a dominant position in the global economy, and when our economy was growing faster than the Federal budget. None of these conditions still prevail; but politics, demagoguery, bureaucratic inertia, and the greed of parasite-voters makes it impossible to change the system.

Mugabe, Pelosi, Reid and Boehner are just using borrowed money to keep the plates spinning a little longer.

mike and his ilk are oppressors, truth be told. It boils down to that. They are on the side of the whip crackers, the missile shooters, the psychiatrists, the IRS, the CIA, the spies, which is why he and his ilk love the state. He and his ilk love to oppress. He detests freedom, he detests people who don’t need him, he detests people who don’t agree with him. He would probably prefer we just submit, but if we were locked in cages or killed, well, it is needed for the greater good, for The Party, and a necessary evil. It really is that simple.

The idea that mikey, Mugabe, and the rest of the bootlickers cling to is that democracy legitimizes theft. i.e. It’s OK for the state to do things … like take your property and your rights away from you… that it would be wrong for another person to do because the state represents a collective will to steal your property and take your rights away.

How do you think this grand experiment in self-governance got started in the first place?”

So, is that the solution you favour? Are we at the stage of armed insurrection, Jman1961?

“Humans can’t live without water; too much water and you can drown (not just because you can’t swim, but because you drink too much of it, as I’m sure you’re aware of).”
True; but then again, I don’t think that anger works in that kind of metaphor. Anger is not hurtful to the exact extent it does not overcome our reason and our ability to act rationally. And all to often it does that. One can act rationally without needing to fall back on anger as fuel.

So, is that the solution you favour? Are we at the stage of armed insurrection, Jman1961?

Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:44 pm – May 29, 2013

Such a hilarious action by the malicious liar Passing By.

No one favors armed insurrection. But, Passing By, you and your fellow liberals have made it clear that the only people you leave alone and allow to exercise their freedoms without your constant interference and thieving are those who react violently.

If you and your fellow bigots respected the rule of law, there would be no need for violence. But you don’t, and since you refuse to act like civilized human beings and insist on continuing to abuse those who politically dissent with your DOJ and IRS violations of laws, you leave us no choice but armed insurrection.

Anger is not hurtful to the exact extent it does not overcome our reason and our ability to act rationally. And all to (sic) often it does that.

Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

A moment of clarity:

You write about this in the ‘passive’ voice. You believe that a person is powerless in the face of the overwhelming and irresistible passion called ‘anger’, neatly ignoring that it is the individual who chooses to be angry in the first place, and who has full responsibility for any actions taken while feeling that emotion.

I, on the other hand, recognize an individual’s right to have any ‘feeling’ that they damn well please, regardless of it’s being ‘appropriate’ to the situation(s), in response to which, they produced it.

That’s why you have, through your postings, revealed yourself as a person of the left; a big fan of controlling everyone else’s behavior, and their thoughts as well (‘hate’ crimes, speech codes, etc.) lest something happen in this world that upsets your highly refined and super delicate senses of ‘propriety’ and ‘balance’.
Your assumptions, in this (and many other regards), are borne of the notion that everyone else is like you, which, quite happily, we are not.

I’m somewhere else on the political spectrum (or the Venn diagram axis), that is far, far away from where you sit.

One can act rationally without needing to fall back on anger as fuel.

Yeah, and so what?

People can (and do) act responsibly when they’re angry, too.
Looks like what you’re saying is that it’s YOU that can’t behave responsibly and rationally when it’s YOU that’s angry.
My sympathies on your problem and my best wishes as you strive to overcome it.

Kindly do not, as leftists are wont to do, project that deficiency onto me. It is yours, and yours alone, to confront and to conquer.

So, is that the solution you favour? Are we at the stage of armed insurrection, Jman1961?

Comment by Passing By — May 29, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

For the most part, NDT answered for me at #41.

I’m in ‘favour’ of anything and everything that gets unrelenting pests (like yourself) off of my back, and keeps you off of it.
What constitutes ‘anything and everything’ will be determined by how ‘unrelenting’ you and yours choose to be.

-You can either go along or pigs like Pat will scream at you that you’re a homophobe who wants gay teenagers to kill themselves

Thanks, NDT, for the kind words. You forgot to also mention that

– I like to lick the boots of anti-gay bigots, and project their hate of me onto others.
– I parade myself as a self-righteous Christian doing piety dances, while spewing the most unchristian filth continuously on this blog.
– I accuse others of worshipping Dan Savage while I continuously emulate his behavior on this blog, and like Dan Savage, rationalize my behavior as somehow just.
– I deliberately misinterpret posts by persons I disagree with, and “support” it with links that show the misinterpretation.

For example, you grovel and lick the boots of Obama and his supporters who give gays a choice: either obey us or be stripped of your right to vote and told to kill yourself.

Of course, it’s because you are a selfish pig. Everyone is paid off a bit differently, and for you, it’s your chance to use governmental power like the IRS, DOJ, and “bullying” statutes to punish the Christians and conservatives that you loathe.

– I personally attack more posters than anyone else here.
– I’ve been asked to knock it off by the blogmasters, as well as many posters, liberal, moderate, and conservative, but yet I still continue to slander and smear as many as possible.
– I derail more threads than anyone else on this blog.
– I have the gall to claim I am polite, while engaging in the vilest name calling.

“People can (and do) act responsibly when they’re angry, too.
Looks like what you’re saying is that it’s YOU that can’t behave responsibly and rationally when it’s YOU that’s angry.”
There, you and I disagree. I think it that it is exactly because my reason still controls my anger and does not allow it to overwhelm me, that allows me to be effective. You disagree. OK.

“Kindly do not, as leftists are wont to do, project that deficiency onto me. It is yours, and yours alone, to confront and to conquer.” “What constitutes ‘anything and everything’ will be determined by how ‘unrelenting’ you and yours choose to be.”

Fair enough; and to cut to the chase without the longwinded explanation: please kindly do not, as you are wont to do, project your feelings of powerlessness against “the man,” by compensating with rhetorically violent macho bullshit rantings towards me.

– I personally attack more posters than anyone else here.
– I’ve been asked to knock it off by the blogmasters, as well as many posters, liberal, moderate, and conservative, but yet I still continue to slander and smear as many as possible.
– I derail more threads than anyone else on this blog.
– I have the gall to claim I am polite, while engaging in the vilest name calling.

I think it that it is exactly because my reason still controls my anger and does not allow it to overwhelm me, that allows me to be effective.

Which is why the response of your and all leftists is to scream that everything is other peoples’ fault, that you can’t be held responsible for your behavior, that government needs to act to keep all bad influences away from you, etc.

Please. You have the self-control of a hyperactive three-year-old, which is why you’re a) constantly making bad decisions and b) screaming for Nanny Government to bail you out of them.

Fair enough; and to cut to the chase without the longwinded explanation: please kindly do not, as you are wont to do, project your feelings of powerlessness against “the man,” by compensating with rhetorically violent macho bullshit rantings towards me.

Comment by Passing By — May 30, 2013 @ 1:04 am – May 30, 2013

LOL.

Which is, of course, why you slobber over the screaming brat who calls for “taking out” his political opponents and rants, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”.

More like pissing and screaming coward Cas is suddenly coming to the realization that its life as a leech is over and that people are no longer going to tolerate the lies and bigotry of Cas and its Obama Party.

You’re wildly lucky to have never expressed your fascist totalitarian bullshit when someone like me was near you, or you’d likely be picking some of your teeth up from the pavement. I wouldn’t exactly describe this as a feeling of ‘powerlessness’.

Is that an example of the ‘bullshit’ you were referring to?

Real masculinity bugs the sh*t out of you, doesn’t it? ;D

Not to worry, love; in ANY confrontation between you and I, be it here or in the ‘real world’…..you’ll lose.

Notice how the screaming welfare addict Cas tries to belittle anyone who does express a willingness and means to fight back and defend themselves as “rhetorically violent macho bullshit rantings”.

That is typical of Obama welfare thieves; they try to belittle, smear, and ghettoize anyone who dares defend themselves — because it makes it harder for them to steal.

Lying Cas only survives because we allow it. Were the lying welfare addict Cas ever to exhaust our good graces, it would starve. Instead of recognizing that and being grateful for it, though, lying liberals like Cas and mike demand more and more and more from those of us who do work.

Notice how the screaming welfare addict Cas tries to belittle anyone who does express a willingness and means to fight back and defend themselves as “rhetorically violent macho bullshit rantings”.

Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 30, 2013 @ 2:11 am

I think it’s telling that she hasn’t yet responded to the fact that this Constitutional Republic was formed as a direct result of the ‘anger’ and ‘armed insurrection’ that so frighten her (and that she clearly believes, laughably, are beneath her as a result of that entirely fictitious ‘superior intellect’ she believes she possesses).
When you’re a wannabe fascist dictator (or leader of your very own perpetual Milgram experiment), and Mugabe worshipper, like she is, I imagine that righteous anger and a show of oppositional force would be VERY frightening.
Indeed.

“this Constitutional Republic was formed as a direct result of the ‘anger’ and ‘armed insurrection’
I would offer another possible view of your presented choices. You can have armed insurrection, and you can have anger; but you can also have reason. And you can lead an armed insurrection using reason as your guiding principle, harnessing emotion in support of those goals. One of those emotions is anger. But it isn’t the only one. I would argue that it is to the extent that your reason keeps your anger in check, that you will be most effective in gaining your goals in this insurrection–which you could be undertaking for rational reasons. And maybe, you might not have needed an armed insurrection in the first place. That was the path this country took. It worked. But other countries took different paths. Maybe using violence is the American Way?

“”Notice how the screaming welfare addict Cas tries to belittle anyone who does express a willingness and means to fight back and defend themselves as “rhetorically violent macho bullshit rantings”.”

NDT, you again miss the point–and Jman1961 you again make my point.

Using the exact same kind of rhetorical moves–check.
The eliminationist rhetoric–check.
Violent macho BS rhetoric–check.
Jman1961 and NDT are the same poster, using different handles–check.

The only ‘point’ in this thread, at this point, is the one on top of your insipid head, you fascist d-bag.

Cas-hole was run out of here once before (by me) – CHECK!
Cas-hole returned surreptitiously as Passing By, trying to pass it’s bullshit off under another name – CHECK!
Cas-hole’s only grip on the world is when it believes that it’s finer, kinder, smarter and more refined than everyone else – CHECK!
Most people here would probably be a lot happier if Cas-hole fell off the edge of the earth, never to return – BIG OL’ CHECK!

Comment by Passing By Oh, Pretty Please, Can I Be Queen Ruler for A Just a Little While? Huh, Can I? Pleeeeeezzzz! — May 30, 2013 @ 3:15 am

Wrong again, d-bag.

We’re two very separate individuals who will be spending some time in the future kicking the holy living shit out of you and yours if you don’t, in short order, learn the meaning of the command ‘HEEL’.

You can have armed insurrection, and you can have anger; but you can also have reason.

The ‘reason’ for the ‘armed insurrection’ (American Revolution) was that too many people were angry from being perpetually fu*ked with by insufferable fascist assholes like you.
Nice to see that you’re catching on….finally.

And you can lead an armed insurrection using reason as your guiding principle, harnessing emotion in support of those goals. One of those emotions is anger.

So after your usual twisting, turning, evading and eliding, you agree with what I said way back upthread somewhere.
Another BIG OL’ CHECK!

Does this mean that your new psychotropic meds are having the desired effect?

Oh, NDT. That was so kind of you to bring up that link. I am sure that Dan really appreciates that. But you are making me blush. No. I am afraid as bad as that link represents, and it is downright vile, that I am much more vile than that. Hands down. In fact, I have really displayed that throughout this thread with virtually all my posts.

And as we see with the DOJ and the IRS, you haven’t the capability or the decency to keep yourself from trying to enforce your bigotry and hate through bureaucracy.

Oh my, I am blushing again. That is such an example of how hateful and bigoted I am. It was so kind of you to point out such a truthful projection of me, and how vile I am.

But not you. All of your posts here on this thread have been very adult, and civil. Exactly the type of posts that Dan and ILC have been wanting for civil discourse. And it all started with your absolute beautiful gem right off the bat in post 2. In fact, you began with personal pleasantries of four other posters. Dan and ILC must be so happy. Very classy, and so typical of you.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you reply with another post exhibiting what a gem you really are for all to see. You really bring out the sunshine. Maybe you’ll include another lovely link or two. Thanks, again.

Oh, NDT. That was so kind of you to bring up that link. I am sure that Dan really appreciates that.

LOL.

This is what makes selfish pig liberals like you so hilarious, Pat.

I am supposed to be ashamed for bringing up something I didn’t write and whose writers I condemn, and should avoid doing so out of concern for Dan’s feelings.

Your fellow liberals and Obama supporters who actually wrote it and post it should not restrain themselves or feel any shame whatsoever.

And here’s another fine example:

But not you. All of your posts here on this thread have been very adult, and civil. Exactly the type of posts that Dan and ILC have been wanting for civil discourse. And it all started with your absolute beautiful gem right off the bat in post 2. In fact, you began with personal pleasantries of four other posters. Dan and ILC must be so happy. Very classy, and so typical of you.

And that really makes the point, Pat. You don’t respect or act “civilly”. You scream and cry and stomp your feet and demand that others treat you “fairly” while you and your fellow selfish liberal pigs get to piss all over conservatives and say their children should have been aborted, like your little rusty friend did.

And last but not least, this.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you reply with another post exhibiting what a gem you really are for all to see. You really bring out the sunshine. Maybe you’ll include another lovely link or two. Thanks, again.

Uh huh.

Belittle providing evidence, belittle defending yourself, scream and cry and piss and try to ghettoize another person with whom you disagree.

All because poor pathetic pig Pat doesn’t want to call out the misbehavior of his fellow liberals and hold his fellow liberals accountable.

We were expected to believe that the typical Obama voter in 2008 was hoping for a better country, but in 2012 there is no more hope, only hate and fear. The typical Obama voter is not acting as an American, but as a representative of an entitled group looking to secure and expand those entitlements at the expense and the detriment of the country at large.

To vote for Obama after years of grotesque economic mismanagement that has no precedent in history, that exceeds the worst actions of Andrew Jackson or Ulysses S. Grant, is not the instinct of an American, but a selfish greedy looter scrambling to grab a few dinner rolls off the tray while the ship is going down. There is no policy justification for voting for a man with the worst economic and foreign policy record in the country’s history. There is no American justification for voting for him. Only the UnAmerican motivation of carving up a dying country into group fiefdoms privileging identity politics over the common good.

This is an UnAmerican campaign. It is an Anti-American campaign. It is a campaign by those who hate and fear what America was and who resent having to care about anyone outside their own group. Its group jingoism, its dog whistles and special privileges are repulsive and cynical, treating the people of a great nation like a warren of rats eager to sell each other out for a prize from the Cracker Jack box of identity politics entitlements.

There is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate. That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families. What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell.

That’s just it, Pat. I have zero respect for you because I see clearly that you are a selfish, greedy pig who intends to loot using abusive government power and the rest of us can go to hell.

“don’t look now, but there’s an angry person sneaking up behind you!”
Yes, as you have made clear, that would be you.

“you agree with what I said way back upthread somewhere.”
Nope. Elites use others’ anger to get what they want. And those elites are successful to the extent that they do not allow their anger to cloud their judgment. You are an angry guy. The right message, the right circumstances; you would be a perfect tool for their purposes today.

Someone irritates you because they have a different opinion–fine, threaten them. Did you run me off last year. Yep; give yourself kudos for that–threatening someone with violence is one way to run someone off. You succeeded last year. Fear, like anger, is also an emotion. And I acknowledge that I was fearful. And being fearful can stop an argument.

You learned somewhere along the way that mixing a large dose of insult and menace with a little pinch of reason was a way to “win” an argument. And the cool thing for you is that this site tolerates your method of “argument.” As do a number of commentators here, some of whom actively approve of your “muscular” approach. And I have to acknowledge that whilst it isn’t rational, its “appeal” to emotion and the threat of physical force is hard to beat. It is hard to talk to someone when you have punched out their teeth. They find it hard to form vowels and consonants. But you like it that way. The quiet (or perhaps the moaning?) is so soothing to your ears.

Nope.
I’ll confront you head on, like I would any problem, any opponent, any criminal, any tyrant, any disease, or any vermin borne infestation.

…mixing a large dose of insult and menace with a little pinch of reason

You’ve got it backwards, Cas-hole (as you so often do): TONS of reason mixed “with a large dose of insult and menace”…but ONLY for smug, elitist, parasitic a**holes like YOU.
And it’s my reasoning, every bit as much as my ‘menacing’, that you can’t contend with.
I’ve disagreed with others here (Pat, for instance), but I would never unleash that kind of invective on them; I save that for wannabe tyrants…you, for example.

And the cool thing for you is that this site tolerates your method of “argument.”

Still whining that the blog owner’s won’t do it ‘your way’?
As I’ve suggested before: if you don’t like it here, then FO!

It is hard to talk to someone control every aspect of someone’s life when you have punched out their teeth.

Exactly!

They find it hard to form vowels and consonants.

They also find it hard to force me to be subject to their fascistic whims, so it’s a win-win!

But you like it that way.

Yes, I certainly do! 😀
I like it when parasites like you have not one scintilla of doubt about what can happen to you if you keep trying to enslave me in the pursuit of your Utopian hallucinations.

NDT, thanks for another gem of a civil post from you. Sometimes my predictions are right on the money, but you really outdid yourself, which isn’t an easy task. You included not only links, but some blockquotes as well, to bolster your civil, adult, and rational words. Very good.

I am supposed to be ashamed for bringing up something I didn’t write and whose writers I condemn, and should avoid doing so out of concern for Dan’s feelings.

You are so right. I, of course, have never condemned the writer for that gem either. In fact, he deserves the same praise that you do. Like I said, I’m sure Dan really appreciates you bringing up that link once again, especially in the context you did. You should ask him.

And that really makes the point, Pat. You don’t respect or act “civilly”.

I’m sorry for not being clear. I thought I stated several times how uncivil I am, but how wonderfully civil you are.

You scream and cry and stomp your feet and demand that others treat you “fairly” while you and your fellow selfish liberal pigs get to piss all over conservatives and say their children should have been aborted, like your little rusty friend did.

Yes, that’s right. Every accusation you have made at all posters who somehow don’t agree with your pious wisdom has always been true.

So ILC and Dan are supposed to be ashamed and are supposed to act.

Au contraire. I was going on about how unbelievable civil your posts were. And furthermore, I recall Dan repeatedly calling for civility. Perhaps I misinterpreted again. Dang it all.

That’s just it, Pat. I have zero respect for you because I see clearly that you are a selfish, greedy pig who intends to loot using abusive government power and the rest of us can go to hell.

I’m a pig again? How kind and civil of you. And you having zero respect for me realllly means a lot coming from you. In fact, anybody exhibiting even half of the characteristics that I outlined in posts 45 and 48 deserve zero respect. In fact, as I posted, I exhibit ALL of those characteristics.

Yes I am, rusty.
In fact, I’m much better than the people you idolize, whose actions resulted that hundreds of thousands of gay men would die of AIDS.

Awww, how sweet. Let us know when your hand gets tired. We’ll have to find someone else to continuously pat you on that pious back of yours.

I expect sneaking, lying, statist whores and cowards like you to be intimidated.
Your ‘act’ doesn’t work with me, and that’s what you find so threatening: that somewhere there are people who not only will NOT bow down to you and grant you the right to use the coercive power of your beloved government to lord it over them, but who will actually push you back…way, way back, if need be.

You can either change your tune, and stop trying to shove your sick worldview down everyone else’s throat, or you can continue to feel threatened.
Either one of those is OK with me.

Yep; give yourself kudos for that–threatening someone with violence is one way to run someone off. You succeeded last year. Fear, like anger, is also an emotion. And I acknowledge that I was fearful. And being fearful can stop an argument.

Like I said, I’m sure Dan really appreciates you bringing up that link once again, especially in the context you did. You should ask him.

Human shields.

And a hilarious attempt, Pat, given that you belong to and support the Obama Party and gay community that says Dan should die for not voting for Obama.

It’s like your Palestininan allies screaming about the Israelis harming the welfare of the children the Palestinians are training to be suicide bombers.

Get that? Everyone realizes you have ZERO problem with throwing Dan and his “feelings” under the bus when they get in the way of what you want or when it would involve you having to criticize or shame your own Obama Party and gay community.

And here’s a nice case in point.

And furthermore, I recall Dan repeatedly calling for civility. Perhaps I misinterpreted again.

So now you’re screaming and crying and calling Dan a hypocrite and liar because he’s not shutting up the people you want him to shut up.

After you pretended to care about his “feelings”.

You are such a malicious, malevolent liar. You are a pig, Pat, a selfish, disgusting pig with no morals, no values, and nothing but a screaming demand that everyone else fill your trough with slop.

And we see that again right here.

Awww, how sweet. Let us know when your hand gets tired. We’ll have to find someone else to continuously pat you on that pious back of yours.

Comment by Pat — May 30, 2013 @ 1:38 pm – May 30, 2013

Or as screamed by his lord and master Obama, “You didn’t build that!”

This is typical of leftist slop pigs like you, Pat. You can’t stand that people who work hard, act responsibly, and save for a rainy day have better jobs, more money, fewer diseases, and more respect than you do, so you have to scream at them and try to knock them down into the ditch where you and your fellow welfare hogs are wallowing.

We have built a beautiful city, and you and your fellow slop pigs are screaming that it’s somehow illegitimate because it doesn’t look like Detroit.

That’s because Detroit is the only thing slop pigs like you CAN build, Pat. Reward laziness, promote malevolence, and scream racist at anyone who disagrees with you, and it’s what you get.

And it’s the best you can do.

But the rest of us need not lower our standards to be Detroit. We just need to point out what utter FAILURES slop pigs like you and rusty are, and there are more than enough graveyards full of AIDS victims and epidemic statistics to show that your slop-pig values do nothing but kill people.

Thanks, NDT, for once again exceeding my expectations. That was one of the most adult, civil posts by you to date. Thanks for sharing it. I’m sure Dan and ILC really appreciate it.

However, you forgot to add that when challenged, I increasingly become an unhinged and raving lunatic, interspersing lies and filth with some self-righteousness, as evidenced in this thread for all to see.

That makes you even more hilarious, Pat. Your Obama Party and LGBT community call every one of us here Nazis, racists, bigots, child-killers and worse every day, and you have the gall to show up and whine about “incivility” and call people “unhinged” and “ranting”.

We expect no better from a slop pig liberal like you. But it makes your continuous attempt to spin and obfuscate for the hate spewing from your Obama Party and LGBT community even more entertaining.

So there you go, Pat. Your Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi, the leader of your Obama Party, the idol of your gay and lesbian community, says ILC and Dan want women to die on the floor.

You going to say your Pelosi is unhinged and ranting? Are you going to stand up and say your Pelosi is a liar and spewing filth? Are you going to admonish your Pelosi for saying such things about Dan and ILC?

Thanks for the follow ups, NDT. Not as good as some of the others, but a treasure nonetheless. It’s nice of you to be concerned about Pelosi, but, as far as I know, she doesn’t post on this blog. So Dan and ILC can’t get to appreciate her posts, like they can appreciate your civil and not unhinged gems. Thanks, again.

It’s nice of you to be concerned about Pelosi, but, as far as I know, she doesn’t post on this blog. So Dan and ILC can’t get to appreciate her posts, like they can appreciate your civil and not unhinged gems.

Comment by Pat — May 30, 2013 @ 6:00 pm – May 30, 2013

ROFL.

Think about it, Pat. You, by your own admission, have literally nothing to lose from saying that Nancy Pelosi is an unhinged ranter spewing filth and lies that are hurtful to people like ILC and Dan that you purportedly care about.

And you can’t even do it.

You are faced with hatemongering ranting bigots like Pelosi/Obama who are spewing this type of trash day in and day out and their jackbooted thugs that are using the IRS and the DOJ to punish political dissent and spy on reporters, and you have a snit fit over people purportedly being mean to you on a blog.

I really thought we’d hit the irony limit when Obama supporters like yourself started defending tax cheats like Charles Rangel while screaming for higher taxes, or ranting about perp-walking big bankers while saying Jon Corzine should be kept out of prison because he supports gay-sex marriage, but seriously, this is a new one.

Anyway, I think ILC and Dan had enough of this, so you can have the last kind, civil word.

Comment by Pat — May 30, 2013 @ 6:18 pm – May 30, 2013

Sure, Pat, blame them for your running away.

But that’s typical of liberal slop pigs like yourself, and it’s no surprise; after all, slop pig liberal gays like you are still blaming Reagan for the fact that you were too lazy to wear a condom, and showing it with typical slop pig behavior.

You don’t have to like someone and not oppose dishonest smears against them.

And if you think it is ok to smear someone over and over and over, just because you disagree with that person, your ethics are questionable.

(continued) Having said that, I do also believe that NDT’s frequent use of “you and your fellow…” phraseology with people is a less-than-ideal practice, because it elicits an emotional response in the person who is being grouped (or accused of general moral responsibility). I couldn’t say if NDT intends to elicit an emotional response; but doing so promotes “Internet flame wars”, i.e. lots of smoke, not so much light.

Rusty, I once had a colleague who used to behave similarly to NDT. The similarities are strikingly creepy. It’s one thing to have interaction on the Internet, but can you imagine working with that? Talk about tiresome.

That’s a great example of how conservatives can call out mistakes and bad judgment by other conservatives.

Which just makes slop pigs like you and Pat and your INABILITY to do it all that much more pathetic.

Rusty, I once had a colleague who used to behave similarly to NDT. The similarities are strikingly creepy.

Comment by Pat — May 30, 2013 @ 8:04 pm – May 30, 2013

That’s no surprise, Pat; in fact, it’s a phenomenon we see quite often in the HR biz with employees like yourself, who are constantly coming to our door and complaining about how awful their colleagues are treating them.

Just like the last six departments through which they were rotated.

It’s an amazing thing, really. Everyone in the office is crazy BUT them.

Pat, in our circle of friends we have several couples where the partners don’t share political outlooks, but as a group we all support everyone, the far left folk and the far right folk and the tweezers.

I have been around folk like NDT since college, 30 years ago.

I enjoy the bloggers, the commenters and the information that I glean from here. It is nice to be able to chat up my friends who hold more conservative positions.

Actually, NDT, this colleague was the one that felt that everyone else in the office was crazy but him. Go figure.

Comment by Pat — May 30, 2013 @ 8:28 pm – May 30, 2013

Hence the difference, Pat.

I don’t think everyone here is malicious or malevolent.

Just you and your supporters.

Pat, in our circle of friends we have several couples where the partners don’t share political outlooks, but as a group we all support everyone, the far left folk and the far right folk and the tweezers.

Actually, I would wager the reality is that the liberals get to spout whatever hateful nonsense they want, and the conservatives are supposed to be polite and accept it.

I am reminded of The Agony and the Ecstasy when the impatient Pope Rex Harrison looked up at the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and asked the genius sculptor and painter, Charlton Heston: “When will you make an end?”