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Birth control pills are synthetic steroids (typically ethinyl estradiol) under prescription for a reason… which can have serious side effects from blood clots and worse. These aren’t aspirin so no point in pretending otherwise.

viking01 on December 14, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Funny you should mention aspirin. About a year ago I had a conversation with my doctor about a new medication he put me on — I had concerns about its side effects. His response was “Even aspirin has side effects. If aspirin had been developed today, the FDA would have turned it down and prevented it from being sold.”

Yeah, that reason is cronyism and anti-competition, market interventionism.

Dante on December 14, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

You are an imbecile.

I could just as easily have made the same case for why statin drugs (e.g. Lipitor) are strictly by prescription which is that in some people statins can shut their liver down. Permanently. So in your unwise case you are likely to hear the ER doctor saying to get ready for the after life that maybe you should have consulted the sensible advice of one of those “crony anti-competition market interventionalists” before you effectively pulled the plug on yourself through irreversible ignorance.

His whole “conversion” is questionable. Several Indians that I’ve worked with have said that he converted for political reasons knowing that a Hindu named Piyush wouldn’t get elected. He’s a politician through and through.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Perhaps, and I am no expert on him, but he took the nickname Bobby as a little kid, and converted to Catholicism in high school. Was he already thinking of running for office then? It’s possible, I suppose.

Unfortunately, in order to become president, one has to be a politician through and through.

A significant percentage of caucasians have genetic blood clotting disorders (e.g., 3-10% for factor V leiden alone) – usually without their knowledge. Birth control pills can be deadly for these people.

TxAnn56. I have gotten reamed for pointing this out on other Jindal threads. I didn’t think he was Presidential material before he last few months due to the lack of charisma and horrible speeches. But now he just seems slimy.

His whole “conversion” is questionable. Several Indians that I’ve worked with have said that he converted for political reasons knowing that a Hindu named Piyush wouldn’t get elected. He’s a politician through and through.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Please. Who are you to question someone’s conversion? And what relevance does it have anyway? They’re ALL politicians.

I could just as easily have made the same case for why statin drugs (e.g. Lipitor) are strictly by prescription which is that in some people statins can shut their liver down. Permanently. So in your unwise case you are likely to hear the ER doctor saying to get ready for the after life that maybe you should have consulted the sensible advice of one of those “crony anti-competition market interventionalists” before you effectively pulled the plug on yourself through irreversible ignorance.

Nanny government? I’m talking about private sector, private practice people who understand biochemistry and pharmacology so that when you start popping pills and f’ yourself up just because the vending machine had some they can juggle your remaining giblets to see if they can keep you somewhat physically if not mentally functional.

Since you obviously are a Darwin Award in progress you would interpret thus in your predictable slow-witted manner. Well done.

Tested? There’s more to medicine than testing. There is something called weighing benefits versus risks where something perfectly safe for one person such as penicillin can put someone else six feet under. Have a little grapefruit with your Seldane…. sometimes science finds out some things after a helluva lot of tests have been done then something comes along to remind them that they missed a certain devastating combination.

Tested? There’s more to medicine than testing. There is something called weighing benefits versus risks where something perfectly safe for one person such as penicillin can put someone else six feet under. Have a little grapefruit with your Seldane…. sometimes science finds out some things after a helluva lot of tests have been done then something comes along to remind them that they missed a certain devastating combination.

changer1701 The poster in question mentioned that some Indian Americans she works with are turned off by Jindal. You could see how a politician who totally disregarded his culture because it politically helped him might not sit well with those who haven’t disregarded their culture. If Jindal’s going for the whole I appeal to non-white people but a smarter than Rubio angle, then that is going to be a problem. As for me, I’m all for political conversions, but the last time I checked the Catholic Church was against Birth Control. So if you’re all about ZOMG heartfelt conversion I don’t think that you should be cafeteria about it. It just seems political to me

To be fair though, pharmacokinetics is rarely considered by a prescribing physician.

blink on December 14, 2012 at 11:19 AM

If such is the case with your doctor you may want to find another doctor because considering risk versus benefit was and is central to their training. Then experience can guide them towards what they can expect will work best for most.

It is unfortunate that many of the younger doctors are analyzer dependent whereby printouts can present a lesser substitute than knowing the patient. Helpful technology, yes, but detached.

Bobby Jindal is at as much a “man of the people” as Christie. He gets a worse rap though because he’s from LA.

This move, though controversial, seems to be driven by his being attuned to his constituents. I think he has the power to refute many GOP/Souther stereotypes. He isn’t always right. But he is always right in the mix.

I like him. I wonder how he would be treated by lib-media if his name was Jed or Bubba.

You could see how a politician who totally disregarded his culture because it politically helped him might not sit well with those who haven’t disregarded their culture. If Jindal’s going for the whole I appeal to non-white people but a smarter than Rubio angle, then that is going to be a problem.

Garbage.

The man is totally at-ease with people from all backgrounds. That is a strength. It’s not hard to go and find intra-racial/ethnic detractors within any one group.

hmmm… maybe it isn’t such a bad idea. Perhaps if some restriction on purchase can be sorted out (have to be 18, have to purchase from a licensed pharmacist who can consult with you about potential side effects) then I could see it being a go.

As it stands now, most retail pharmacists are far more educated and under-utilized for the work that they do. They are medically trained and up to date more on medication than even most physicians are, so why not let them be the ones to handle the ‘ooh its a scary drug with scary side effect’ issues.

hmmm… maybe it isn’t such a bad idea. Perhaps if some restriction on purchase can be sorted out (have to be 18, have to purchase from a licensed pharmacist who can consult with you about potential side effects) then I could see it being a go.

As it stands now, most retail pharmacists are far more educated and under-utilized for the work that they do. They are medically trained and up to date more on medication than even most physicians are, so why not let them be the ones to handle the ‘ooh its a scary drug with scary side effect’ issues.

theblackcommenter on December 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM

I don’t think OTC and “provided by the pharmacist” are the same thing. OTC would be like throat lozenges and aspirin.

If such is the case with your doctor you may want to find another doctor

viking01 on December 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I wasn’t conveying an anecdote about “my” doctor. This has to do with the results of some research about clinicians.

because considering risk versus benefit was and is central to their training.

It might have been central to their training, but patient throughput is central to their practice. Taking the time to learn about the patient and convey anything other than the biggest risks associated with what is being prescribed hurts such throughput.

printouts can present a lesser substitute than knowing the patient.

Yet many clinicians will merely say “Make sure to read the entire printout.” That’s often the extent of their concerns about pharmacokinetics.

hmmm… maybe it isn’t such a bad idea. Perhaps if some restriction on purchase can be sorted out (have to be 18, have to purchase from a licensed pharmacist who can consult with you about potential side effects) then I could see it being a go.

theblackcommenter on December 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Another anti-competition, anti-market argument for state involvement. Why should a person have to have a license from government in order to operate a business or sell a good or service?