Dr.D, Another "PCT Assistance" Thread..

I've managed to get a source for HCG, and have ordered 10000I/U. I have not "fully recovered" my natty test in too long... Last PCT I ran Ultra HOT and other OTC items, had labs run while on, and these showed 1000+ng/dl test readings, along with dramatic increases in LH and FSH.. Well, two weeks after PCT I had more labs run and my Total Test read 211ng/dl (241-827ng/dl).. I (stupidly ) began the cycle mentioned in another thread here, of which I ran for 8 weeks, utilizing Superdrol, Finigenx, and a 1T/4ad/4-OHT dermal... During this time (and currently) my testicles have continued to further atrophy and I fear that it is humanly impossible to recover now... My hormones have been on a rollercoaster for months now, and after each cycle I've run I failed to take enough time off to FULLY recover, even though the time on = time off approach was followed for the most part.. My cycle ended 3 weeks ago, and since then I've been taking a self-administered HRT until my HCG arrives, of 150mg/week test... Now that you know this peice of info about myself, can you please help me out with a hefty recovery phase to get my natty production back on track..?

I can get more HCG if needed, along with plenty else... I am shut down pretty bad here..

The Time on = Time off approach just barely works for me. I seem to stay shut down or at least not 100% balanced for a lot longer than that and I normally keep my cycles pretty short..less than 8 weeks.

Once your HCG arrives, just follow Swale's protocol as posted on this board. The HCG will start reversing atrophy in 24 hours...it's that fast and you'll notice it. Run it for a couple of months if you're really bad and add some DHEA and fenugreek for the first couple weeks. Cissus might help in the testicle size department as well but there's no clear evidence that it will restore test levels. Maybe some Activate added in there will further help recovery.

I used UHer on my last pCT and although it seemed to help me recover quickly, I did not hold onto my gains very well months later. I'll try the NHA stack next time with Raloxifene as I'm sick of the PCT rollercoaster.

Do you think that Swale's dosing is sufficient for being shut down hard already? I thought that his protocol was to be used from the beginning, before atrophy had occured to avoid it all together. I had thought of this initially, but being as shrinkage is already very apparant, I thought that perhaps higher dosages would be needed. Would 500 I/U EOD suffice? Here are all of the PCT ancillaries I have:

[ My cycle ended 3 weeks ago, and since then I've been taking a self-administered HRT until my HCG arrives, of 150mg/week test... Now that you know this peice of info about myself, can you please help me out with a hefty recovery phase to get my natty production back on track..?

Are you planning to continue the HRT? If so then IMO use SWALE's hcg protocol. 500iu/eod is too much!
HCG isn't typically used for pct but rather during cycle. If your plan is to discontinue HRT then go with the tamoxifen. run a quick search for dosing regimen. I dont think you need a hefty recovery phase as much as an appropriate one.

Are you planning to continue the HRT? If so then IMO use SWALE's hcg protocol. 500iu/eod is too much!
HCG isn't typically used for pct but rather during cycle. If your plan is to discontinue HRT then go with the tamoxifen. run a quick search for dosing regimen. I dont think you need a hefty recovery phase as much as an appropriate one.[/quote]

No, I am not planning on continuing HRT.. I am only doing this until I get my HCG to start proper PCT, as I very atrophied ATM... I have already finished my cycle, and would like to come off, so I need an HCG protocol to use to jumpstart things now, after my cycle, as I did not have HCG during to run along with it..

Hey Guys just got some blood work done. I did a 4 wk cycle of M-dien at 20-28 mgs a day.(switched from M-1T after 7 days- made me feel like ****)

Ok well this 4 week m-dien was 8wks after a long cycle -5 months! stupid i know and wont do ever again b/c i crashed so hard(try crying -makes you feel manly!!). Consisted of (Test 750mgs/wk entire cycle, M1t at beginning 4 wks - 20mgs day, m4ohn in middle - 36mgs day, and superdrol at the end 20 mgs for 2 wks and 30 mgs last week.)

Well my blood work is good except for Total Testosterone. My total test = 318. Normal range is (241-827) Im 23 yrs old almost 24. During the 4 wk mdien cycle i used ATD 75 mgs day to offset some of the androgen suppression at the hypothalamus. Used ATD in pct as well w/Nolva, Fenugreek, DHEA, 7-0xo DHEA, zinc/magnesium, methoxy 2 grams a day. Well im wondering if this is normal for my age i kept all my gains off this cycle(10 lbs-muscle memory!) - gained 8 lbs in the last 8 wks too!! But how can my test be so low and still make these gains?? Just looking for comments on where to go from here for a permanent solution if need be. Ive seen excellent info on Diesel TEST blood tests but will these increases in test carry over somewhat after the product is finished?? I dont like being below average! Sorry for such a long post but this was somewhat of a shock to me. Thanks Guys.

P.S. im also using Fenotest - made balls bigger but obviously didnt help test level too much. (unless i was super duper .....duper low) hmm. I weigh 208 lbs at 5'9" on long ass cycle i was 217 and bloated. I'm definitely getting fatter too.

Are you planning to continue the HRT? If so then IMO use SWALE's hcg protocol. 500iu/eod is too much!
HCG isn't typically used for pct but rather during cycle. If your plan is to discontinue HRT then go with the tamoxifen. run a quick search for dosing regimen. I dont think you need a hefty recovery phase as much as an appropriate one.

No, I am not planning on continuing HRT.. I am only doing this until I get my HCG to start proper PCT, as I very atrophied ATM... I have already finished my cycle, and would like to come off, so I need an HCG protocol to use to jumpstart things now, after my cycle, as I did not have HCG during to run along with it..[/quote]

Again, my understanding is that HCG is not used for pct. I believe it will actually keep you suppressed which is why I asked if you will be continuing HRT. IMO, a solid nolva pct would be best.