In a nutshell Holmes and Kalil are that big of a loss. Their backup center probably cost them the Stanford game.

More to the point, Barkley very much seems like a player who needs to be surrounded by talent in order to succeed, rather than a guy who will singlehandedly carry a program from time to time. Most of what he does is the simple, high percentage stuff that looks so good because of the people around him.

Holmes has been a huge loss for him. They have not been able to go to their vertical and deep passing game because they just cant keep the pressure off of him, which is leading him to throwing a ton of hitches, quick hitting screens...and when they arent getting any YAC it makes his numbers look bad. The stanford game he was pressured everytime he dropped back, it was bad.

Once Holmes gets back up to full strength you will see improvement from him. Being able to drop back confidently you arent going to be on your back on the 2nd step of your drop is always very nice.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

I think the real question now is just how far will he slide? I know it's still very early, and late season performances tend to outweigh early season performances, but I just never bought into to Barkley as a premier prospect.

If you really break down Barkley's career at USC, he's had one tremendous half-season with a great supporting cast and has otherwise been solid but unspectacular. Good character, good work ethic, but he has average physical tools and nowhere near the accuracy, anticipation and acumen to push him over the top.

At this point, I would say he is solidly behind Geno Smith and E.J. Manuel with the potential to lose ground to guys like Landry Jones and Tyler Bray. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at a second rounder here.

I think the real question now is just how far will he slide? I know it's still very early, and late season performances tend to outweigh early season performances, but I just never bought into to Barkley as a premier prospect.

If you really break down Barkley's career at USC, he's had one tremendous half-season with a great supporting cast and has otherwise been solid but unspectacular. Good character, good work ethic, but he has average physical tools and nowhere near the accuracy, anticipation and acumen to push him over the top.

At this point, I would say he is solidly behind Geno Smith and E.J. Manuel with the potential to lose ground to guys like Landry Jones and Tyler Bray. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at a second rounder here.

coming out of hs, i expected a lot more from him; the hype around him was unbelievable; then hes named starting qb and beats osu at osu in his 2nd game

At this point, I would say he is solidly behind Geno Smith and E.J. Manuel with the potential to lose ground to guys like Landry Jones and Tyler Bray. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at a second rounder here.

Lol, What?

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

At this point, I would say he is solidly behind Geno Smith and E.J. Manuel with the potential to lose ground to guys like Landry Jones and Tyler Bray. I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at a second rounder here.

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R4L does security, and strips on the weekend.
He told me the best part is being able to wear the same uniform to both jobs.

Barkley is like Eli Manning or Jay Cutler in that when he's bad, he's AWFUL. But he's got about as much upside as any non-superstar QB in this league.

That's just it, I don't think Barkley is considered to be a QB with much upside.
He may look as good in the pros as his best games at USC, but I doubt he's a guy scouts think will be an even more dynamic player in the NFL.

Barkley has had the benefit of playing with multiple future NFL players on offense, so IMO what you see with Barkley is what you get.

I totally agree there's not much chance he's the first overall pick, and he has a less than 50/50 shot to be the first QB draft particularly since this class at the top is weak for teams looking to draft franchise QB type prospects.

I enjoy watching people jump off the bandwagon. I don't think he'll be the #1 overall pick, and I like Tyler Wilson more, but Barkley offers a lot to like. I can see a team like the Raiders or Cowboys being a perfect spot for him.

he just seems off and he is not as comfortable in the pocket, the losses to the oline dont help as someone already mentioned

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What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

Why are people surprised that he is regressing with who he has for a head coach?

What? Where are you going with this? Kiffen has been known as one of the best playcallers in CFB for a while now. If anything people would have expected his numbers to sky rocket. Dumb statement.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.