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00:18:23*** Wolf01 has quit IRC00:54:13*** Gja has quit IRC01:26:47*** welshdragon has quit IRC01:31:05*** FLHerne_ has quit IRC01:32:50*** BluesInTheNet has quit IRC02:58:56*** Fatmice has joined #openttd03:54:24*** glx has quit IRC06:13:50*** keoz has joined #openttd06:35:35 <Flygon> Not gonna lie
06:35:54 <Flygon> The worst bit about OTTD is setting up a Bus/Tram network with at least four stops at every small town on a sparsely populated map
06:36:05 <Flygon> In the HOPE it eventually grows big enough to sustain a railway station
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10:30:40 <V453000> yo
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10:56:17 <Flygon> Urgh
10:56:34 <Flygon> Vehicle Groups telling me 'Hofn Main Loop' is already taken
10:56:43 <Flygon> (Hint - It isn't. Closest thing is 'Hof Main Loop')
11:11:09*** Alberth has left #openttd11:25:39 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ao2g5OX_460s_v1.jpg really true
11:26:33 <peter1138> Flygon, different vehicle class?
11:26:41 <Flygon> oh, no
11:26:43 <Flygon> As in
11:26:51 <Flygon> The folders you put vehicle into
11:27:00 <Flygon> Vehicle groupings
11:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: the custom strings are shared between all vehicle types, stations, etc.
11:27:35 <Flygon> Hmm
11:27:38 <Flygon> I see O_o
11:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> although i'm not entirely sure what the justification is for having them be unique
11:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause> probably just "it was always like this"
11:40:34 <Wolf01> Maybe the name is converted to uint and used as pointer?
12:14:52 <Flygon> I assumed it was a ease-of-use feature
12:14:58 <Flygon> Even if it seems to have bugs
12:19:33 <peter1138> yeah really it's not something that needs to be unique at all
12:19:42 <peter1138> i think at one point it was even unique across all players
12:24:15 <Flygon> Well, with infra-sharing, it does become to make sense again
12:24:44 <Flygon> Though, ultimately, I guess it's a choice of "Let the player risk being confused by dupes, or prevent them at all costs"
12:26:44 <peter1138> well you can buy other companies, i guess.
12:30:06*** BluesInTheNet has joined #openttd12:35:47*** welshdragon has quit IRC12:40:02*** Jinassi has quit IRC13:02:46*** mescalito has quit IRC13:06:23 <Flygon> I wonder if using Boats to circumvent needing to build Trainlines is rude
13:07:51 <Wolf01> You can always terraform the whole sea/lake if you are afraid of using ships
13:08:32 <Flygon> Yeah, but in terms of
13:08:40 <Flygon> People don't use Aircraft because it's 'cheating'
13:08:48 <Flygon> Are ships cheating because they only need water?
13:08:55 <Flygon> (I'm playing on the Iceland map)
13:09:30 <Wolf01> Make running costs for aircrafts 4x and it's cheating anymore
13:09:37 <Wolf01> *it isn't
13:09:40 <Flygon> :P
13:10:53 <Wolf01> The only problem of aircrafts are the huge profits, which can be addressed, I can't see why the ability to travel in straight line over mountains should be considered cheating
13:11:13 <Wolf01> Ships cheat because you can cram infinite cargo in a single tile, as they don't have collisions
13:11:46 <Wolf01> We'll address even that soon or later
13:11:50 <Flygon> Oh, I'd LOVE if thy couldn't collide
13:11:55 <Flygon> Luckily, I'm not cheating THAT way
13:11:58 <Flygon> It's all open sea
13:12:27 <Wolf01> You can have 500 ships (un)loading at the same dock at the same time
13:12:40 <Flygon> Yep
13:12:48 <Flygon> Nah, here, it's mostly just busy shipping ROUTES
13:12:51 <Wolf01> Bigger docks, state machines, no more ship cheating
13:13:01 <Flygon> I'd love bigger docks
13:13:37 <Wolf01> I would like to try to make a dock like an airport and try to adapt the ships to it
13:13:54 <Flygon> Yep
13:14:00 <Flygon> Agreed
13:14:09 <Wolf01> Maybe once NRT is done
13:15:25 <Flygon> But, as it is
13:15:49 <Flygon> I've basically had Cargo chains of Trains shipping primary materials (ie. Wood) to a Boat, which ships that to a Sawmill by sea.
13:16:06 <Flygon> Because while it's way slower, the sawmill's SO cramped it's the only real usable solution
13:16:27 <Flygon> And then the Sawmill's Good Exports go by Boat... back to train for inland towns at a more convenient location
13:16:37 <Wolf01> I don't see the problem
13:16:56 <Flygon> Ehh
13:17:11 <Flygon> I know it'd upset some 'purists' by me avoiding a complete station redesign
13:17:34 <Wolf01> It's a transport game, not a train game
13:17:35 <Flygon> And new trunklines
13:17:44 <Flygon> Aye
13:18:01*** JacobD88 has joined #openttd13:18:01*** Alberth has joined #openttd13:18:01*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth13:18:05 <Wolf01> o/
13:18:08 <Alberth> o/
13:25:53 <Flygon> Annd I just realized I'm screwed
13:26:21 <Flygon> My Wood-Paper-Goods chain is screwed by the Goods and Paper platforms being just 6 tiles long
13:26:43 <Flygon> and now I'm planning to quadruple the amount of wood processed
13:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause> how is "i annoy <X>-player-type" even an argument? you're playing the game for yourself, not for others (unless you live-stream or something)
13:29:05 <Wolf01> And even if you livestream you have your own play style
13:32:15 <Wolf01> My friend with whom I play together usually build straight pieces of track going uphill, while I like to not go up for more than 1 level every 5 tiles, but we don't kill ourselves about that
13:33:33 <Alberth> good, good, I like non-dead wolfs
13:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> tell that to the sheep
13:41:40*** welshdragon has joined #openttd13:44:11 <Flygon> <Wolf01> My friend with whom I play together usually build straight pieces of track going uphill
13:44:17 <Flygon> It's 1935, that's a no-go atm :B
13:44:24 <Flygon> Not enough money for the locos to do it
13:44:39 <Flygon> Not enough locos that're powerful enough :B
13:44:41 <Flygon> 2CC srt
13:44:43 <Flygon> set*
13:44:51 <Flygon> Anyway, shower time
13:45:09 <Wolf01> It's a no go even in 2000 with some billions on bank, I use realistic acceleration and that's a good way to kill speed, but he's happy anyway
13:46:14 <crem> moo/
13:48:06 <Alberth> \o
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14:06:31 <Flygon> Really wish the Bank let you get bigger loans if you have more company Equity
14:06:42 <Flygon> So a company can grow
14:06:45 <Flygon> Get more loan
14:06:45 <Flygon> Grow
14:06:47 <Flygon> Get more loan
14:06:54 <Flygon> Then pay it all off when they print lots of $$$
14:07:00 <Flygon> Like an IT tech business :U
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14:29:26 <Flygon> The rollingstock, is now there
14:29:31 <Flygon> For efficient operation
14:29:33 <Flygon> Budget is not
14:29:34 <Flygon> :D
14:31:17 <Wolf01> Sell some useless stuff
14:31:25 <Flygon> That's the problem
14:31:30 <Flygon> Almost everything's useful
14:31:45 <Flygon> Only real non-profitable stuff (currently) is some Trams to build some towns along planned lines
14:31:57 <Flygon> It's just that I keep investing so hard I am perpetually broke
14:32:04 <Flygon> Mostly in rollingstock and boats
14:32:35 <Wolf01> Bad investments, and banks know it, so no -> <Flygon> Really wish the Bank let you get bigger loans if you have more company Equity
14:32:44 <Flygon> <_>
14:32:52 <Flygon> OTTDnomics is my excuse!
14:33:54 <Flygon> Really enjoying these 3,800t capacity ships
14:34:10 <Flygon> Each making 250kEUR/yr
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16:00:44 <andythenorth> @seen danmack
16:00:44 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 30 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth
16:00:50 <andythenorth> @seen pikka
16:00:50 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Pikka> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
16:02:26 <Alberth> o/
16:02:43 <LordAro> @seen LordAro
16:02:43 <DorpsGek> LordAro: LordAro was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, and 6 seconds ago: <LordAro> Alberth: needs more smart pointer, clearly :)
16:02:53 <LordAro> Alberth: can confirm
16:03:01 <LordAro> wait, damn
16:03:05 <LordAro> 6 seconds too slow
16:06:25 <Alberth> o/
16:07:14 <LordAro> o/
16:08:23 <Alberth> weren't smart pointer not deprecated by move semantics?
16:08:47*** techmagus has quit IRC16:09:26 <LordAro> auto_ptr was
16:09:51 <LordAro> unique/shared/weak_ptr are the new(ish) fancy ones
16:11:54 <Alberth> ah, indeed
16:13:04 <LordAro> i've been doing silly things with std::function and std::variant recently
16:13:15 <LordAro> despite std::variant not actually being released anywhere yet
16:13:19 <Wolf01> Must to go
16:13:21 <Wolf01> Bye
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16:43:16 <andythenorth> quak
16:43:41 <frosch123> moi
16:44:28 <LordAro> quak
16:45:33 <V453000> yo
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17:56:11*** aard has joined #openttd17:59:49*** welshdragon has joined #openttd18:00:26 <Rubidium> lies... the catenary in the road stop is wrong
18:00:46 <frosch123> any did not draw other sprites
18:00:48 <frosch123> *andy
18:01:36 <Rubidium> how couldn't he? I would have thought he had already drawn every possible combination of pixels by now
18:02:05 <frosch123> he focused on colors for now
18:25:13*** andythenorth has joined #openttd18:32:06 <andythenorth> hmm
18:32:17 <andythenorth> clock-speed-for-clock-speed, an i7 still spanks an i5
18:32:30 <andythenorth> but it will eat battery much faster :|
18:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that supposed to be that the higher number will be faster?
18:33:32 <frosch123> no, it only means more expensive
18:34:31 <andythenorth> 2.4Ghz i7 beats a 3.1Ghz i5
18:34:43 <andythenorth> but there are many other variables
18:34:55 <andythenorth> in the real-world benchmarks I’m looking at
18:51:13*** gelignite has joined #openttd19:07:35*** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd19:09:38*** Arveen has joined #openttd19:18:09 <andythenorth> people should stop talking on the internet
19:19:52 <Rubidium> yeah, that would free up a lot of bandwidth
19:23:44*** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd19:29:17 <andythenorth> is forums?
19:29:59 <frosch123> https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/nrt_roadstop.png <- i pushed that btw
19:30:13 <andythenorth> woo :)
19:30:48 <andythenorth> catenary too :)
19:31:32*** sla_ro|master has quit IRC19:31:51 <frosch123> interestingly the station picker does not show catenary for traditional tram and elrail
19:31:55 <frosch123> so i kept it like that
19:32:49 <andythenorth> seems fair
19:43:03 <andythenorth> frosch123: any more sprites needed? o_O
19:43:09 <andythenorth> we have most things?
19:43:51 <frosch123> at some point we need a roadtype conversion icon, but i guess that is a bit far away to draw now
19:48:35 <andythenorth> pseudo 3D arrow in original baseset
19:48:44 <andythenorth> that will be…interesting to replicate without copying
19:55:19 <Alberth> huh, original didn't have convert afaik
19:55:49*** FLHerne_ has quit IRC19:55:59 <andythenorth> maybe it was drawn
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19:56:31 <Alberth> my guess it's in openttd extra newgrf
19:57:36 <frosch123> i think it's some ottd 0.3 feature or something
19:58:06 <andythenorth> yup
19:58:12 <andythenorth> openttdgui.png
19:58:25 <andythenorth> that’s easier then, can reuse it
19:58:37 <andythenorth> did TTD lack convert? :o
19:58:57 <Alberth> yes :p
20:06:08 <andythenorth> bah
20:06:24 <andythenorth> stainless steel would use pig iron, scrap metal, manganese and nickel
20:06:27 <andythenorth> 4 into 3 don’t go
20:06:35 <Alberth> :(
20:06:44 <andythenorth> there will be a solution, there always is :)
20:07:26 <Alberth> construct a 'mix' factory before ?
20:10:41 <andythenorth> two kinds of steel plant
20:10:53 <andythenorth> it’s called steeltown, might as well go for broke :P
20:11:05 * andythenorth might accidentally copy factorio :P
20:11:35 <Alberth> :)
20:12:04 <Alberth> enough fans here :)
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20:52:51 <frosch123> will be shut down by music drm :p
20:55:53 <andythenorth> hrm
20:56:23 <V453000> wat
20:56:24 <andythenorth> FIRS has ‘steel mill’ (coal + iron ore + scrap -> metal)
20:56:39 <andythenorth> now I am adding ‘blast furnace’ to different economy
20:56:45 <V453000> ah :) welcome to madness andythenorth
20:56:50 <V453000> furnaces all the way
20:56:54 <andythenorth> :P
20:56:57 <andythenorth> coke + iron ore + limestone -> pig iron
20:57:01 <andythenorth> same graphics
20:57:06 <andythenorth> but are they different industries?
20:57:28 <andythenorth> farms are all different, and have shitloads of reused sprites
20:58:05 <andythenorth> i.e. do I give blast furnace separate ID?
20:58:31 <andythenorth> only name string and cargos are different
20:58:44 * andythenorth thinks same
20:59:42 <frosch123> oh dear, saw the nyancat...
20:59:57*** andythenorth has quit IRC21:00:00 <V453000> the video player is totally mental :)
21:04:18 <frosch123> i like the nyancat one because of the insane usage of the train to follow the "movie"
21:12:40 <V453000> XD yes
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22:35:56 <rddim> and when I upload 2nd version will be filename-1.1.tar or again only filename.tar
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