Posted - 11/30/2011 : 04:18:25 Who are the best players in the history of the game to have NOT gained 70 points or more in any of their NHL seasons?

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ryan93

Posted - 12/05/2011 : 18:06:42

quote:Originally posted by Patchy

quote:Originally posted by ryan93

18 seasons Pasty :) And yeah Arnott was one of the guys i looked up earlier to see he had hit the 70 mark.

good spot, i double counted some seasons where he got traded. and it's Patchy, haven't posted on the forums here in some time.

~~Go Leafs Go~~

Yeah that's what i figured you probably did. And sorry about the name, a typo on my part :)

Add Adam Graves to the list of players who almost quality for this list, but not quite since he had 1 season in which he put up 79 points (including 52 goals).

Guest7116

Posted - 12/05/2011 : 15:14:50 Mike Comrie, ryder has been pretty close and Jeff O'Neil came really close. Mike Knuble had a bunch of 50+ too

Patchy

Posted - 12/04/2011 : 22:08:22

quote:Originally posted by ryan93

18 seasons Pasty :) And yeah Arnott was one of the guys i looked up earlier to see he had hit the 70 mark.

good spot, i double counted some seasons where he got traded. and it's Patchy, haven't posted on the forums here in some time.

~~Go Leafs Go~~

slozo

Posted - 12/04/2011 : 17:49:32 Yeah, the guys who didn't play a lot of full seasons but who were aces otherwise were my first looks . . . but usually, they snuck in at least a season of over 70.

To answer Andy after his clarification, my top two forwards:

1) Carbonneau2) Jordan Staal

My top 2 D-men:

1) Scott Niedermeyer2) Chris Pronger

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug

ryan93

Posted - 12/04/2011 : 14:45:34 18 seasons Pasty :) And yeah Arnott was one of the guys i looked up earlier to see he had hit the 70 mark.

Patchy

Posted - 12/04/2011 : 10:15:41 In his 21st NHL season, Jason Arnott barely stays off this list: he had one season with 72 points and one with 76. But lets also consider he has NEVER played a full NHL season. I know he didn't make the cut but I just wanted to point this out instead of reiterating what others have already noted.

Posted - 12/03/2011 : 14:44:12 Burrows reminds me a bit of Brendan Morrison, though obviously they play different positions. Morrison had the luxury of centering Bertuzzi and Naslund for a few years (where the latter 2 were putting up big numbers), yet he only managed to top 70 pts once! Add to that, he played the PP with them most of the time and rarely found himself on another line unlike Burrows who on avg plays 15-20 games with Kesler on the second line!

foolpittier

Posted - 12/03/2011 : 11:13:05

quote:Originally posted by nuxfan

quote:Originally posted by foolpittier

and i'll add this one under the [ how can this be?] Alex burrows fails to reach 70pts playing on a pretty good line.

Burrows does not play on the PP, where the Sedin's get a significant number of their points.

i know, but still he play's on the top line, were the other two guy's reach 100pts. theeres a really good chance his 70pt season isnt to far away.

nuxfan

Posted - 12/03/2011 : 11:05:12

quote:Originally posted by foolpittier

and i'll add this one under the [ how can this be?] Alex burrows fails to reach 70pts playing on a pretty good line.

Burrows does not play on the PP, where the Sedin's get a significant number of their points.

foolpittier

Posted - 12/03/2011 : 09:45:00 and i'll add this one under the [ how can this be?] Alex burrows fails to reach 70pts playing on a pretty good line.

Posted - 12/02/2011 : 10:59:10 This topic is extremely difficult and should be broken down into positions. Obviously goalies shouldn't count, and dmen should prob be set at a lower number than 70.

Pronger and Niedermayer are classic examples. They'd have to be at the top of anyone's list!

As for Staal Slozo, he's great and fits in well if he continues to finish with less than 70, but how do you compare him to a guy like Gainey??? Who knows how good Staal would be on another team and Gainey was pretty much all shutdown / defense / pk and did it extremely well.

Still, as confusing / difficult as it is to differentiate, it's a great topic!

mandree888

Posted - 12/02/2011 : 10:32:33 i would call him one of the greats.... yet but kessel hasnt hit 70 yet

Guest2218

Posted - 12/02/2011 : 09:53:46 I'd go with:Bob Gainey, Toe Blake, Sid Abel. Gainey is legit, one of the best ever. Blake and Abel are a little cheap, because that's going back in history quite a ways, but that's my answer and I'm sticking to it !!

If we're allowed to pick defencemen, I'd go with Pronger and Niedermeyer in recent history. I think it would be very easy to find great defencemen that didn't score 70 back in the day though...

slozo

Posted - 12/02/2011 : 05:11:09

quote:Originally posted by Guest7116

ryan smyth, but i would agree with nash being the most dissapointing with only having 1 for how good he is

Smyth got exactly 70 points in 00/01, so going by the condition in the question " . . . 70 points or more in any of their NHL seasons" Smyth is out, regrettably.

It is an oddity, I find, that the 70 point mark is reached by almost anyone that was a good player, even the injury plagues guys. If it was just one 70 point season or less, then there would be a bunch of great guys in that list that would be hard to pick from - Wendel Clarke, Ryan Smyth, Rick Nash, Brian Rolston right off the top, and I am sure there're more.

I think that by the end of his career, my #1 pick for this question will be Jordan Staal, as it seems incredibly unlikely that he will ever get 70 points. Heck, he's never hit 50 actually, although he has had a strong start to the season so far (12g, 6a in 23 games) and is probably going to finish in the 60 point range.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug

foolpittier

Posted - 12/01/2011 : 13:00:39 i'll go with probert

Guest8863

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 22:25:28 NUGENT-HOPKINS, but he will be knocking at 70 in no time

leigh

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 20:40:19 I thought I had a winner in Bill Guerin but as someone pointed out he cracked it once.

So then I thought of Brendan Morrow...turns out he had one 74 point season.

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 20:11:04 Joel Otto and Jim Peplinski from those early 80's were good examples. Harder to find players under 70 pts in those days when there was a higher goals per game average. I always remember the epic battles between Otto and Messier great stuff!!!!

Guest4572

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 19:52:35 I don't know about all-time, but three current players that come to mind are Dave Bolland, Andrew Ladd & Andrew Brunette.

Alex116

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 19:00:55 Was trying to think of guys who were somewhat "surprise" selections on team Canada over the years. Rob Zamuner was the first i thought of, as he was a big surprise pick for the Canadian Olympic team in Nagano. Hard to consider him one of the best players of any sort of course, but making that team, sure shocked a lot of people. A little off topic, but his wikipedia page states "Zamuner's unprecedented defensive play, along with his exceptional face-off taking ability led to a surprise selection on Canada's 1998 Olympic men's hockey team.", yet he was -31 that year for Tampa. Was Tampa THAT bad that year? Either that or did he have an 85% face off percentage or something?

Dirk Graham's another one who came to mind when thinking of role players picked for Team Canada as i believe he played in a Canada Cup or two? However, i checked, and the former Selke winner squeezed out 1 season at 78 points.

So, that leaves me with Bob Probert. Maybe not the greatest player ever, but he sure was the best at the role he played, much like these Selke winners who keep getting brought up!!! And, it's a little more reasonable than Patrick Roy don't ya think?

Guest7116

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 18:42:35 Martin Erat, David Legwand would say fisher too but hes average at best

Alex116

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 18:32:20 I was surprised to see Larionov's name mentioned, only because i would have guessed he'd have had multiple 70+ point seasons only to check and see he had just one. That one was 71 points, albeit in just 69 games!

Some very good names mentioned here though many did in fact have 70+ pt seasons. Not surprised to see the number of defensive forwards when you consider the question asks "who are the best players....." I mean, what else would that mean? Most guys who don't hit 70 aren't all that memorable really.

Don't have any to add at this point, but i'll keep thinking.,..

Guest5052

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 16:10:41 I stand corrected.

I was surprised that he hadnt (and am still surpirsed he didnt have a few more).

My search continues.

ryan93

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 14:53:58 Billy Guerin actually did have a 70+ point season (85 points)...it was the year he was traded from Edmonton to Boston, which is why you probably missed it.

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 14:28:40 Mike Peca was also a very good player never to hit 70 pts.

Both Koivus of course did, as did Smyth, but barely.

Guest7116

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 14:11:58 ryan smyth, but i would agree with nash being the most dissapointing with only having 1 for how good he is

Guest7116

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 13:52:40 The Koivu's

Guest4927

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:52:58 sorry except 81-82 & 86-87.

Guest4927

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:49:53 Dino Ciccarelli # 1 all time

Guest5052

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 12:04:07 Joel Otto was integral to a good flames team and put up decent points in the playoffs. Dont think he ever got 70... doubt he ever got 60, but maybe.

I also doubt Iggy Larionov ever got 70 and he was pretty good for the Wings

Steve Rucchin was good for the Ducks.

Just thinking about guys who had good cup runs

ryan93

Posted - 11/30/2011 : 11:42:57 Bobby Holik had quite a few very good seasons, yet his best season was 65 points. Still not quite sure how he was able to parlay that into $9 million a season from the Rangers though!

Most of the repsonses you're going to get are great defensive forwards like the aforementioned Carbonneau, Gainey, Madden, Holik...and i'll also add Jere Lehtinen. He consistently put up 42-52 points, was a 7 time 20 goal scorer & twice topped 30 goals.