Wait?! A billion dollar bet is not about your hedge fund? Man up or get out Mr. Ackman.

2:07 pm January 9, 2013

Anonymous wrote :

How's Ackman's JCP purchase going. He bought that during 2010 and added multiple times like 1Q 2012. Will Aflac and Weight Watchers be deemed bad MLM companies. Some insurance companies flood a market with sales people, knowing only a small percent will make it. These independent business people (sales people) buy the insurance policies and sell them to friends and families. Same model as HLF. Too many legit companies would go down with MLM getting deemed illegal. Let the Short Squeezin ramp these share prices higher for HLF and NUS

2:29 pm January 9, 2013

Quang Pham wrote :

Mr. Ackman didn't included the small amount of people out there (like those posted to this article) that actually wants to be taken advantage of. No matter what you tell them, they are just want to continue to believe the untrue.

Comparing Aflac and Weight Watchers as MLM companies? Really? Those companies provide products and services. The people who buys the companies products and services are REAL people... Unlike HLF where they have no product and services. MLM companies like HLF are full of it because your product sales are the distributor who buys them.

In essence, HLF does not need a product since they could make up anything. The CEO of herbalife could as well sell you his dirty clothes in lieu of their current products and still make money. Why, because they are ripping people off.

If you don't have a decent mind to think it through, I suggest you join HLF and so you too could just give them money. Donkeys...

2:40 pm January 9, 2013

Tex wrote :

It's too bad we don't have as much information about Amway, because they are privately held. Another scam everyone should be aware of is the Amway Tool Scam. Google "Stop The Amway Tool Scam WordPress" for more information, and forward this to every non-Distributor/IBO you know, so they don't get scammed.

4:46 pm January 9, 2013

gary wrote :

The director of the USA's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has declared that obesity is the nation's number one health problem. Dr Julie Gerberding said that US citizens are far more likely to die from diseases like cancer, heart disease, and diabetes, that are caused by bad lifestyle choices such as smoking, eating too much and exercising too little, than they are to die from diseases such as West Nile virus infection, SARS, anthrax, or smallpox. Statistics show that 65% of US adults are overweight or obese, and in three states - Louisiana, Mississippi, and West Virginia - 25% of adults are obese

3:57 am January 10, 2013

Michelle wrote :

Why do people keep saying that Herbalife doesn't have a product? Maybe it is just where I live, but Herbalife is very popular in the midwest. I live in a town of appx 100,000 people and we have 7 nutrition clubs. They are all profitable. I happen to personally enjoy their shakes, much more than other protein products on the market. If you have never tried it, don't knock it.

4:57 am January 10, 2013

Sach wrote :

@Michelle
The argument is not just about the fact that Herbalife lacks a competitive retail product, it's more about the clearly demonstrated reality that the company makes more money through non-retail activities like recruitment and S&H, than it does by selling its products. That single fact makes it a pyramid scheme.

Also a general point to make: all the ones going long are taking pragmatic bets that a. It's not going to be easy to take down a USD 4B company b. that 80% of its business is international so the FTC has little control on them. That may be true but I still don't hear a point by point refute.

It's like poker: if you have a good hand, stay in.

8:04 am January 10, 2013

L-J wrote :

@Quang Pham
I am a Herbalife distributor - been one for just 11 months. I have over 25 customers most of whom are repeat customers, we offer INCREDIBLE service AND amazing products that have saved my mothers life. So please, your statements are unfounded and clearly profess your ignorance and lack of intelligence as far as the Herbalife business and products go. And btw, Herbalife distributors are NOT REQUIRED TO BUY ANY PRODUCTS..... once we have prospects that are interested in the products, we then purchase the products at the warehouse at the distributor discount and then sell them at the customer selling price as listed by Herbalife!!! It's an awesome, sound business model and look forward to Herbalife taking Ackman over the coals!

8:16 am January 10, 2013

L-J wrote :

@Sach
Your statements are ALSO unfounded! Herbalife distributors don't make ANY money from introducing distributors into the business. ONLY once those new distributors start retailing products do the "sponsors" potentially earn commissions on products moving out in the market place to customers. And why not - the hours spent training the new distributors and helping them become successful - it's only fair that a small percentage of their success then be paid to the sponsor. Your boss leverages off of the hours that you work for him... doesn't he? You say it's "FACT" that Herbalife makes more money out of JUST recruiting... based on my last 2 posts all I can say is - good luck with that, because it most certainly isn't true. Ackmans presentation is RIDDLED with mistakes...

10:57 pm March 1, 2014

Dina Strange wrote :

Never heard of HLF before.

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