I wish, I'm broke. There's a difference in between knowing how the game is played and having the lack of heart in how to play it.

You're not fucking broke, you said so yourself you made sure you had a decently paying job. I'm the one waiting to start with an ICT course, having to survive on a minimum,and being at that point where I have to sell gear again to give me some more breathing space...(but I am in no way complaining, trust me, many people are far worse off than me)

And I'm glad to hear you lack the heart to play the game. I lack the heart to even do the bare essentials from time to time.

Actually, apart from joking, I was also referring to the wonderful book with the same title, written by John Perkins.(msl recommended it here when the crisis in Greece was so huge and we had a serious topic about that here on subsekt)

In short : he describes how people like him were hired by big corporations to go to countries with resources.they offer them a far too positive economic development plan if they do certain innovation works, and then borrow them money on the condition that those innovation works (better sewer systems, better power plants, better roads, whatever) are done by those companies or daughter companies from those same big players.Obviously, after a while, those countries can't pay off their debts, and then they come in and scavenge their resources.The people like the author of the book were the economic hit-men,if their job fails, they send in the jackals, who try to kill the people in charge. Kill the president or overthrow the government or...If those people are too well protected, they simply start a war.

It's a thing that's been going since the 60's, if not even earlier.They give many examples. (one of them was even in Iran at the end of the 50's if I'm not mistaken)One of them was Panama, who obviously has the most valuable piece of real estate in the world,at some point, they urgently needed to expand the channel,and since Japan is in effect the biggest user of the Panama channel,they were on the verge of signing a deal with a Japanese company to do the works.So they even invaded Panama to take control again.

No don't be misguided and think this is only a USA practice or anything because of the above link.It has nothing to do with countries, just big corporations taking control of everything.

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You are fuck all, I am fuck all and the shit niche of websites you keep chatting about is most definitely fuck all. I can accept there's bumps in the road and certainly am not extolling some kind of the Rothchilds own everything bollocks, but at the same time the chaos of the world is definitely restrained by the financial hegemony or our governments and major corporations.

I won't go into the websites cause I'm simply never on those sites, I usually prefer to read up on history from more reliable sources.Now, I am not saying those sites can not provide valuable info yes or no, simply that they can be used more easily as a tool to influence public's opinion on things.Just like pretty much 90% of today's media in general (a number based on my personal opinion, not on facts).Like you said, I don't believe it's all the Rothschild's, but yeah, there definitely is a class of Ã¼ber-elite rich folks that are the puppet masters.

_________________If you can't laugh with yourself, someone else should do it for you !

Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

are you addressing me now ?

_________________If you can't laugh with yourself, someone else should do it for you !

Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

I think I was supposed to write "Money is not everything" or something alike there, doh.

Money is only a means to not having to worry about money.(not sure if I translated that correctly)If you don't have it, and you got money problems, you will worry about it day and/or night.If you have too much of it, you will be in social layers of our society where it's usually never enough,and you will start having all different kinds of shit worries related to money which you'd never ever have if you just have enough to have a decent, comfortable life.

_________________If you can't laugh with yourself, someone else should do it for you !

Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

The problem is, "culture" is often whatever people with power or an agenda want it to be. For example, in the 80s and 90s, Suharto, used to claim that democracy was unsuited to Indonesia because it didn't match "Asian culture." Now that Indonesia has been a democracy for 20 years, and is surprisingly stable, given how poor and chaotic it is, we can see Suharto's claim for the self-serving bullshit that it was--a corrupt dictator using culture to justify keeping his hand in the cookie jar.

Which isn't to say that culture is fake or immaterial. It's not. Some aspects of Western democracy, especially the hyper individualized Anglo-American version, does seem poorly suited to countries like Indonesia, where social ties are thick, rights are usually defined in group rather than individual terms, and there are no expectations of privacy. But these elements of Indonesian culture are really just power relations that are institutionalized and replicated over time, most tracing back to the Netherlands Indies, but crystalized to the point where they seem natural (even if they are historically constructed). It's a tool as much as it is a "thing."

Basically societies are complex and any frame that reduces them to one variable, be it class or culture, doesn't fit the reality. But they each have their role.

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And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

Now this I agree with. I don't tend to think things get better or worse, just different. We're always screwed by someone, and there are always assholes.

Yeah, the perspective from orbit is not so good.Make sure your kids can swim.

Climate change is so politically contentious and complex it is almost impossible to discuss rationally for us laymen.

I think polticians would like to to be politically contentious, but it really isn`t, and laymen can discuss it fairly rationally, the science has been made relatively plain to the laymen (who is actually interested) for some time.

I mean you only have to stand on one street on one road for one hour in central london, watch all the cars driving past, look at all that shit spilling out the exhausts, then picture the whole city, all capital cities, all cars, all factories etc etc To do that basic thought exercise and not expect it to effect the environment in some detrimental way is to be a little wonky in the head.

It`s fairly simple maths to look at like, fossil fuels, which are essentially millenia of trapped carbon suddenly being released in to the atmosphere in a very short time whilst all the carbon sinks are simultaneously being destroyed, by deforestation, ocean polllution, fishing etc

I mean, I`m not pointing at you here, but when I hear the average denier spout the same old non-science/non-sense that has been repeatedly and categorically proven wrong, such as volcano emissions etc, it seems similar behavior to an alcoholic, lying upside down in a pile of empty bottles, head bleeding, saying they have no problem.

You're not fucking broke, you said so yourself you made sure you had a decently paying job.

I've been unemployed for the last 12 months and not received any state support, I'm broke. What I said previously was if you're going to do a job for 40 hours a week, which most of us are enforced into, then you'd be as well undertaking the requirements to maximize your earnings as you're stuck in a building regardless and it actually gets easier in terms of duties as you climb the metaphorical ladder.

Loads and loads of policy comes from think tanks, both governmental and financial.

They do indeed and I'm not disputing the process you correctly point out. My point is the findings of Deloitte and their ilk, rather than the ramblings 4Chan, will be influencing these think think by a margin that is incomprehensible.

Oh god yeah, I'm pretty sure none of these think tanks are surfing 4chan to gleen some Machiavellian plot ideas.... Maybe some furry\plushy? porn or something...But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on. It's an altogether creepy affair.

But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on.

There's no doubt both Brexit and Trump shat up the powers that be in Leicester City winning the league/what the fuck is going on here type of affair. I think for a while the hegemony were genuinely worried about this as they neither saw it coming and it was something outside their realm of understanding. I remember a very large piece in The Observer about Mercer, Bannon etc painting them as James Bond baddies with the world at their digital finger tips.

And then came the UK election where the Tories had ploughed millions into these exact tactics and lost their majority. While Trump has worked out fantastically for major corps that want to build pipelines through forests and melt the ice caps. Not because Trump supports this, that's immaterial, it's because he's a major, major distraction for all opposition. Centerists, left wing, environmentalists are either discussing his latest Tweet or if they aren't they're finding their communication far less effective because the rest of the world are discussing his Twitter account.

You're always going to have these air pockets and moments of turbulence, probably more frequently as things like tech advances more and more rapidly, but overall indices like the Dow Jones, FTSE just rumbles on and that is the primary motivation for those in charge of this planet.

But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on. It's an altogether creepy affair.

In this case the connection is more direct. Robert Mercer has a large ownership stake in Breitbart and is widely known to set the editorial direction; and the Mercer Family Foundation, run by his daughter, funds the Heritage Foundation and Heartland Institute, two prominent right-wing US think tanks. So it isn't even a case of one influencing the other; it's a case of having the same money man, and both shilling his interests and viewpoints to different audiences.

(Mercer also apparently donated a shit ton of money to the Brexit campaign.)

It`s fairly simple maths to look at like, fossil fuels, which are essentially millenia of trapped carbon suddenly being released in to the atmosphere in a very short time whilst all the carbon sinks are simultaneously being destroyed, by deforestation, ocean polllution, fishing etc

I mean, I`m not pointing at you here, but when I hear the average denier spout the same old non-science/non-sense that has been repeatedly and categorically proven wrong, such as volcano emissions etc, it seems similar behavior to an alcoholic, lying upside down in a pile of empty bottles, head bleeding, saying they have no problem.

It'd be stupid to deny climate change, and also the anthropogenic element of it. But how the climate works is no easy matter. There's much more to it that fossil fuels for instance.

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