I'm scared, I wouldn't mind if he just had to chose between Leona or Nautlius gap closers, but having a Blitzcrank grab, as well as a minor knockback, slow, occasional burst damage, the frustrating-ness akin to a farmed Nasus and the ability to save peoples lives right before death just sounds like a horrible mix of Blitzcrank/Soraka (Last second life saves)/Gangplank support + a Nasus/Veigar/Sion ability that doesn't require last hits to farm up (Not sure on that, correct me if I'm wrong).

Sounds like a real terror to play against.

His grab is nowhere near as scary as Blitz's - hit from max range it's not going to get the enemy even halfway towards you and it can't pull through the walls. It's also a slow projectile with a long windup and even slower drag speed. No mistake, it's still very useful, but not even close to the dangerousness of Blitz and much harder to hit.

As for souls, on one hand anything that dies nearby can leave one, no matter who killed the unit. On the other, getting the souls during laning can be dangerous/very mana draining, as you either need to spam your W(?) or go into melee range as a ranged champion. It also is not as strong as Nasus/Veigar Q farm - ratios on skills are atrocious, so this free AP is not as cool as it might sound and the MR part is removed.

"Defending a position by citing free speech is the ultimate concession: you're saying that literally the most compelling thing you can say for it is that it's not illegal to express."

I think he might be a pretty good counter to Blitzcrank though. Every time someone gets grabbed, you just throw the lantern in there and save them.

On the other hand, he doesn't seem to have anything to "keep people away".

He can keep away with his E(?), since it can knockback both towards and away from him. His Q is also reminiscent of a snare in a way, kinda like Ahri's Charm - the drag seems a bit slower than normal movement speed and you can move while the target is dragged towards you.

That lantern teleport is also awesome for diving and stealing buffs. Jump in, do your deed and disappear like smoke before anyone reacts.

"Defending a position by citing free speech is the ultimate concession: you're saying that literally the most compelling thing you can say for it is that it's not illegal to express."

I think he might be a pretty good counter to Blitzcrank though. Every time someone gets grabbed, you just throw the lantern in there and save them.

On the other hand, he doesn't seem to have anything to "keep people away".

I think his knockback pushes people farther away than it pulls then. Little weird, but it makes sense considering he already has a pull and it's just good enough at max range to stick them in your ult.

Lux and Morg are primarily AP mids though, they just have enough utility to fit into the support role. Karma is just weird and needs a rework.

What I mean by support mid is when you have a tanky support bot, then build a support in the mid like Karma. Lux, Morgana etc... Thats when I think he would shine. .4 ap ratios are a little low though, but he does have a good aoe ability (sweep), and lots of control abilities. As a pure support I dont see it, because he would loose the bennifet of being 'fed' which seems to play a large part in a successful Thresh.

What I mean by support mid is when you have a tanky support bot, then build a support in the mid like Karma. Lux, Morgana etc... Thats when I think he would shine.

I have no idea what are you talking about here. Building support items on an AP carry in the mid? Building AP carry items on an AP carry that could also support due to utility inherent in their abilities?

Originally Posted by Seani

As a pure support I dont see it, because he would loose the bennifet of being 'fed' which seems to play a large part in a successful Thresh.

Why would snowballing affect Thresh's strength at all? He can have 0 cs, go 0/0/0 and still be very tanky from the souls. His abilities also are designed with nothing but support in mind - low ratios, insane utility unaffected by any stats other than CDR.

"Defending a position by citing free speech is the ultimate concession: you're saying that literally the most compelling thing you can say for it is that it's not illegal to express."

What I mean by support mid is when you have a tanky support bot, then build a support in the mid like Karma. Lux, Morgana etc... Thats when I think he would shine. .4 ap ratios are a little low though, but he does have a good aoe ability (sweep), and lots of control abilities. As a pure support I dont see it, because he would loose the bennifet of being 'fed' which seems to play a large part in a successful Thresh.

Thresh shines through his insane control. You don't need damage when you can keep a person locked up for the ADC to kill. He really gets all the extra AP he needs through his soul mechanic. Also, many new support items have AP on them, so he doesn't have to go out of his way to buy damage.