bluenote13:The Chargers have had fewer starting QBs in that time than the Pats. Pretty damn impressive to only have 3 starting QBs in 18 seasons and still not win anything.

Is that right? Rivers, Brees.... who else? I realize Rivers never misses a start, but I'd have thought early in the 2000s there would have been a bit of a QB carousel there. Brees didn't really emerge in his first few years.

Anyway, it's also impressive to have 2/3 of a team's QBs over an 18-year period be HOFers. Not as impressive as winning a Super Bowl or even making it to a Super Bowl, or seriously threatening to make it to a Super Bowl, but impressive nonetheless.

... or that Cutler started almost twice the games Culpepper did (who I still associate with Vikings QB from growing up). Also weird that Trubisky is already about to overtake Jim Miller and that Orton had more than Grossman.

Nana's Vibrator:The Flexecutioner: foo monkey: I've never been on the Brady GOAT wagon, but that he's 41 and not slowing down is impressive AF.

I was impressed with Barry Bonds late career too.

Are we still pretending PED's are only used by the lyin'est cheatin'est rustlers in all of pro sports? Are we pretending you get some moral high ground in any of this? Is it 2007 again? Did I forget my meds? Where are my keys? Who's on first?

You're not wrong, though I eagerly await the years where the Packers and, sure why not, the Patriots have to suffer through QB roulette. Both fanbases have been blessed with spectacular QB play for so long that they will disintegrate the moment their franchises have to start the modern equivalents of Johnathan Quinn, Chad Hutchison, and Henry Burris at QB just to limp through a season. That their teams will draft a QB in the first round and they get their hopes up only to find he's the next Cade McNown (though Jameis Winston is doing a mighty fine job of living down to that assbag's reputation). And their teams trade away two first round picks to get the next Jay Cutler to not give a fark while being a turnover machine at the most important position on the team. Knowledge that the Packers, and yes, the Patriots will soon have to suffer through this is what sustained me through the Bears' long QB drought.

/and if you don't think it can happen to your team, look at what the 49ers went through after Montana-Young

germ78:JolobinSmokin: The other 232 were the QB for the Chicago Bears.

You're not wrong, though I eagerly await the years where the Packers and, sure why not, the Patriots have to suffer through QB roulette. Both fanbases have been blessed with spectacular QB play for so long that they will disintegrate the moment their franchises have to start the modern equivalents of Johnathan Quinn, Chad Hutchison, and Henry Burris at QB just to limp through a season. That their teams will draft a QB in the first round and they get their hopes up only to find he's the next Cade McNown (though Jameis Winston is doing a mighty fine job of living down to that assbag's reputation). And their teams trade away two first round picks to get the next Jay Cutler to not give a fark while being a turnover machine at the most important position on the team. Knowledge that the Packers, and yes, the Patriots will soon have to suffer through this is what sustained me through the Bears' long QB drought.

/and if you don't think it can happen to your team, look at what the 49ers went through after Montana-Young

Part of me think Bill will bail when Tom decides to retire and part of me says he will stay around for a year, spend big and try to win one without Brady as a 'fark you' to all the people who say he can't win without Brady (which he hasn't done).

germ78:JolobinSmokin: The other 232 were the QB for the Chicago Bears.

You're not wrong, though I eagerly await the years where the Packers and, sure why not, the Patriots have to suffer through QB roulette. Both fanbases have been blessed with spectacular QB play for so long that they will disintegrate the moment their franchises have to start the modern equivalents of Johnathan Quinn, Chad Hutchison, and Henry Burris at QB just to limp through a season. That their teams will draft a QB in the first round and they get their hopes up only to find he's the next Cade McNown (though Jameis Winston is doing a mighty fine job of living down to that assbag's reputation). And their teams trade away two first round picks to get the next Jay Cutler to not give a fark while being a turnover machine at the most important position on the team. Knowledge that the Packers, and yes, the Patriots will soon have to suffer through this is what sustained me through the Bears' long QB drought.

/and if you don't think it can happen to your team, look at what the 49ers went through after Montana-Young

bluenote13:Part of me think Bill will bail when Tom decides to retire and part of me says he will stay around for a year, spend big and try to win one without Brady as a 'fark you' to all the people who say he can't win without Brady (which he hasn't done).

No doubt, coaches are notoriously egotistic, even Bill Walsh wanted to win one without Joe so badly.

JolobinSmokin:germ78: JolobinSmokin: The other 232 were the QB for the Chicago Bears.

You're not wrong, though I eagerly await the years where the Packers and, sure why not, the Patriots have to suffer through QB roulette. Both fanbases have been blessed with spectacular QB play for so long that they will disintegrate the moment their franchises have to start the modern equivalents of Johnathan Quinn, Chad Hutchison, and Henry Burris at QB just to limp through a season. That their teams will draft a QB in the first round and they get their hopes up only to find he's the next Cade McNown (though Jameis Winston is doing a mighty fine job of living down to that assbag's reputation). And their teams trade away two first round picks to get the next Jay Cutler to not give a fark while being a turnover machine at the most important position on the team. Knowledge that the Packers, and yes, the Patriots will soon have to suffer through this is what sustained me through the Bears' long QB drought.

/and if you don't think it can happen to your team, look at what the 49ers went through after Montana-Young

I'm a self loathing Beard fan.

I too look forward to what you state.

Glad to hear. The Bears' QBs have been an easy punchline for so long that it's hard to tell if you're some schmuck Packers fan trying to get one last jab in before being cast into perdition. And I've been gaslit by so many bad years of Bears QBs that I'm still not sure if Mitch is the real deal despite his arrow pointing upwards.

It's a major advantage to Brady to have the same head coach/general manager all these years, and relatively few changes at OC. Some of the QBs listed in the article lost their jobs because the new coach or GM wanted to bring in his own guy, or the offensive coordinator wanted to run an offense that wasn't suited to their skill set.

Super Chronic:bluenote13: The Chargers have had fewer starting QBs in that time than the Pats. Pretty damn impressive to only have 3 starting QBs in 18 seasons and still not win anything.

Is that right? Rivers, Brees.... who else? I realize Rivers never misses a start, but I'd have thought early in the 2000s there would have been a bit of a QB carousel there. Brees didn't really emerge in his first few years.

Anyway, it's also impressive to have 2/3 of a team's QBs over an 18-year period be HOFers. Not as impressive as winning a Super Bowl or even making it to a Super Bowl, or seriously threatening to make it to a Super Bowl, but impressive nonetheless.

Jedekai:Nana's Vibrator: The Flexecutioner: foo monkey: I've never been on the Brady GOAT wagon, but that he's 41 and not slowing down is impressive AF.

I was impressed with Barry Bonds late career too.

Are we still pretending PED's are only used by the lyin'est cheatin'est rustlers in all of pro sports? Are we pretending you get some moral high ground in any of this? Is it 2007 again?

Minnesota Twins fan, here.

Juicers should have their ENTIRE CAREERS vacated. Period.

I'm not sure you understand what you're saying. It's been in sports for almost 50 years. Ken Griffey Junior was doing them. Peyton Manning was doing them. Steroids are in the hall of fame. They're all over colleges. They're in the high schools. If this upsets you, you might need to watch Little League baseball and Pop Warner football.

If Tom Brady and Mookie Betts are doing them, I'd be neither surprised nor disappointed. My only disappointment is all the damn prime time games I have a hard time keeping my eyes opened for.

Gubbo:dywed88: Gubbo: JolobinSmokin: The other 232 were the QB for the Chicago Bears.

Add together the Browns, Bears, Bills and Jets and you must get close to half of those.

Why include the Bills and Jets? Neither are particularly bad with 17 (16, if you exclude Cassel's trick play to open a game) and 14 respectively.

Top five are Browns (27), Bears (21), Rams (20), and a tie between Vikes and Raiders (19).

Of course there is probably a good degree of overlap.

Oh I would have thought they would have more than that.

The Bills have stuck with their starters for a while even when they weren't good. Five QBs have at least two seasons worth of starts but Fitzy is top at just 53. So there was a good amount of flux, but not the churn of other teams.

The Jets have very few QBs with a tiny number of starts and two QBs with sixty some.

dywed88:Gubbo: dywed88: Gubbo: JolobinSmokin: The other 232 were the QB for the Chicago Bears.

Add together the Browns, Bears, Bills and Jets and you must get close to half of those.

Why include the Bills and Jets? Neither are particularly bad with 17 (16, if you exclude Cassel's trick play to open a game) and 14 respectively.

Top five are Browns (27), Bears (21), Rams (20), and a tie between Vikes and Raiders (19).

Of course there is probably a good degree of overlap.

Oh I would have thought they would have more than that.

The Bills have stuck with their starters for a while even when they weren't good. Five QBs have at least two seasons worth of starts but Fitzy is top at just 53. So there was a good amount of flux, but not the churn of other teams.

The Jets have very few QBs with a tiny number of starts and two QBs with sixty some.

I figured that I can't remember either of them having a good qb and figured there must have been churn.