they raisedthedebtceilingforthree months. they are like death penalty appeals. every minute, every time they have a short term fix, people are brought to the brink again. the american people are brought to the brink again. i thought it was heartening to hear from harry reid he was interested in it's not just defense talks we are talking ant. there's $500 billion in domestic cuts. once people realize republicans want to hold the economy hostage over tax cuts for the rich and even the tiny amount of concession made before was not enough for them. they start to see the impact of the cuts. i think they may have to come to the table. >> really quick in terms of march 1st, are we going to punt and have this conversation in the summer or get something done and have this fixed once and for all? robert? >> it seems like based on history we are going to punt on this again. as i said before, republicans have done a good job of keeping the democrats and the white house in defense. if history is our guide, i'm not surprised if we kick the can down the curb. >> doug, punt or fix? >> i agree with robe