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Glad to see the debate. My personal views are in line with Mel's statement of "Patrons of Thomas Keller are not foolish enough to believe that his establishments will get them sick. That's laughable.. I do not believe Mr. Keller runs a habitually dirty kitchen (and that is what it comes down to for me), I expect the food to be exquisite and wouldn't give the "C" a second thought.

The opposing argument to my statement was, for what he is charging nothing short of perfection is acceptable. None of the people participating in the conversation work in the food industry.

Nmiller21k

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:46 pm

Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:21 pmPosts: 1381Location: Minneapolis, MN

Melampus wrote: "Patrons of Thomas Keller are not foolish enough to believe that his establishments will get them sick. That's laughable."

I'm with Mel, also I love that Carlin piece.

However the grade is pending, usually the health department gives you a week to get the serious violations under order they'll come back and see what they fixed.

My externship site at the CIA passed, I don't know how, so it's really between each state or city how strictly a health code is enforced.

Tall Dark and Swarfy

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:14 pm

Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:22 pmPosts: 1526

What are you guys trying to prove, having a sensible discussion about restaurant hygiene?

The narrative underlying this and other poor health grades in NYC is that the new, strongly left-leaning mayor of Gotham is trying to put the screws to the swells. Apparently there have been a spate of failing health grades, limited to high end eateries. This, as well as the recent snow removal failure on the upper west side, is being reported in the conservative press as some sort of class warfare.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I thought that angle might cast a different light on the topic. Maybe even derail this constructive discussion from the planning, execution, and review of sanitation processes to some good old fashioned political name calling. That's always fun.

Dan_Crubenew

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:22 pm

Joined: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:44 pmPosts: 1374

I agree with Mel, people are too germaphobic.

I was speaking specifically about the owner of the restaurant freaking out about BOH inspections. Myself, being in charge of the kitchen details have pretty much nothing to worry about on my end because I have set standards and expectations on my guys high in the area of sanitation and cleanliness. Equipment, or lack there of, is ultimately the responsibility of the owner. I can only tell him so many times what he needs to get up to code before the inspector gives him a "Conditional Satisfactory."

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Melampus

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:58 am

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SWARFY <> I'm not informed enough to comment on the state of NYC politics, but by all means... ENLIGHTEN ME! I'd love to hear it.

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Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:57 am

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Melampus wrote:SWARFY <> I'm not informed enough to comment on the state of NYC politics, but by all means... ENLIGHTEN ME! I'd love to hear it.

I love how with some it always boils down to some lefty/righty political conspiracy.

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Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:21 am

Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:22 pmPosts: 1526

Crap, I can't find a supporting article at the moment on my iPhone. I know several were linked off of Drudge. Probably for the best, as CKtG is a welcome refuge from the political discourse that permeates everything these days.

cedarhouse

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:34 pm

Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 12:20 amPosts: 4209

"Probably for the best, as CKtG is a welcome refuge from the political discourse that permeates everything these days."

+1

Actually, +2

emalsky

Post subject: Re: Per Se rated a "C" by NY dept. of health

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:36 pm

Joined: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:12 amPosts: 85

Been working in NYC at michelin starred restaurants for about 5 years. some pointsNYC is by FAR the strictest dept. in the country. I am an honest person and I can say I have only come across 1 dept. official that was friendly.Restaurants stall the guys before they even come CLOSE to the kitchen. Im guessing Per Se is very good at this. This gives the kitchen time to dump out spoon bains (can't have) ditch side towels (can't have) throw out all food not cooled properly ( or throw it in an oven) etc.I know people who work at Per Se and i can't imagine how they would be docked that many points… the place is just that clean, professional and the cooks are that good.

It makes me think that something happened with their HAACP.. maybe they could find proper documentation for the 6,000,000 things they cook sous vide on a daily basis. OR the kitchen is so big, and has so many low boys and refrigerators, that they found one that was running high or did not have a thermometer in it.

That being said, i don't care if they serve shit on a plate, you won't get a night when that dining room isn't full.

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