____________________Flies all green 'n buzzin' in his dungeon of despair
Who are all those people that he's locked away up there
Are they crazy?,
Are they sainted?
Are they zeros someone painted?,
It has never been explained since at first it was created

Ending military operations and withdrawing from foreign nations is what we should all want...if the conditions and circumstances support it.

Democrats, not surprisingly, are criticizing which is to be expected. The right wing hawks aren't shy to speak out either. Probably the same ones that would have us invade Iran if they got their way.

We saw what happened when we drew down in Iraq. We really shouldn't or can't stay in these places forever can we? Or do we just accept and continue to pay for it in dollars and lives with the perpetual war? Maybe that is what the age and times call for - I guess that is what the critics want too?

Bashar al Assad, Syrias President never asked us to help him get rid of Isis. He did not want us in his country. Russia is more than capable of handling things and is an ally to Assad. The US recently struck what we believe is the main communications hub in Syria. The Islamic State began in Iraq, after we took out Iraq's President.

If Trump believes we no longer need to be in Syria, trust him, he gets good intel.

____________________"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

quote:Bashar al Assad, Syrias President never asked us to help him get rid of Isis. He did not want us in his country. Russia is more than capable of handling things and is an ally to Assad. The US recently struck what we believe is the main communications hub in Syria. The Islamic State began in Iraq, after we took out Iraq's President.

If Trump believes we no longer need to be in Syria, trust him, he gets good intel.

LMAO, let's try trump putting Putin's interests ahead of America's and the rest of the world.

Not understanding why leaving is such a terrible idea? People complaining about this decision are up for signing up American GIs for another extended military occupation. No thanks. If someone can point to something working in either Afghanistan or Syria lets here it. I doubt we would be leaving if that is the case. America can use its wealth, power and influence in other more appreciative regions like Central America for starters.

quote:Bashar al Assad, Syrias President never asked us to help him get rid of Isis. He did not want us in his country. Russia is more than capable of handling things and is an ally to Assad. The US recently struck what we believe is the main communications hub in Syria. The Islamic State began in Iraq, after we took out Iraq's President.

If Trump believes we no longer need to be in Syria, trust him, he gets good intel.

Trump knows zeroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

General Mattis has 40 some years of experience & disagrees with you & Trump. So who do we believe in...Gina & Trump or Mattis?

I just saw several retired generals on TV as well. They are not in the least impressed with Trump.

For those who voted for the incompetent Trump, you really need to think through the damage he's done to this country & the world.

Not only did he resign, Mattis called out Trump's worship of "malignant" dictators versus the US's commitments & allegiances to democratic allies that Mattis could no longer stomach. I heard one analyst say Putin's calling the president of the US as "Donald" in his annual speech yesterday must've set Mattis's hair on end. Neither Putin nor Trump are bothering to hide who's the boss.

Having lost virtually all his domestic loyals, Trump is left w/Putin & Erdogan. Kind of like when he was an outcast from the far richer real estate dynasties in NYC like the Silversteins & Rudins as well as reputable banks, he was left w/mob money.

Trump relishes creating this chaos. He's had a good day - Syria, Afghanistan, The Wall.

quote:Bashar al Assad, Syrias President never asked us to help him get rid of Isis. He did not want us in his country. Russia is more than capable of handling things and is an ally to Assad. The US recently struck what we believe is the main communications hub in Syria. The Islamic State began in Iraq, after we took out Iraq's President.

If Trump believes we no longer need to be in Syria, trust him, he gets good intel.

Gina, how can you say this with any shred of honesty? Trump may get good intel, or let's say, the US government and it's agencies produce good intel - if and how that gets to the President is one thing - if he cares or listens is another.

The weird thing about Syria is that everyone is up in arms about the US involvement in Yemen. Helping Saudis fight a common enemy in Yemen bad. Helping the Kurds and similar forces fight a common enemy in Syria good.

It's a terribly complicated situation in a terribly complicated world.

Is the US willing to engage in a military conflict with Turkey over staying in Syria?

The strange thing about Syria is they have a regime, they have a leader in Assad who is no friend of the US, yet there we are inside Syria. Just thinking that the US has some 2000 troops conducting operations inside a country that we are neither a welcomed guest nor are we fighting that country directly, we are just fighting certain people within that country just because we want to...it's kind of crazy really. I'm not saying I'm against it or for it really. I would certainly rather that not be the case, but sometimes the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" thing makes sense.

So we either stay in these places forever and try and manage it that way, literally forever. Or we leave and they become engulfed in civil war and sectarian violence. When you look at it that way, is it lose-lose? Maybe it is just easier to keep bloating the defense budget, keep our troops deployed in active combat zones in several countries at once to keep the peace. If that is what it takes to keep the so-called peace, then we have to be honest about it. And if that is the case, leaving Iraq was wrong. Even if it was the Iraqis that wanted us gone, that deal could've been done differently and withdrawal didn't have to happen the way it did. And then we better figure out a way we are going to stay in Afghanistan forever. And we better figure out a way to get involved in more Yemen-type conflicts. And more Syrias. Lybias, etc. Is that what I am hearing people want? After all, where is the Congressional Authorization for our involvement in Syria? If so many people all of a sudden see it as so necessary.

Not only did he resign, Mattis called out Trump's worship of "malignant" dictators versus the US's commitments & allegiances to democratic allies that Mattis could no longer stomach. I heard one analyst say Putin's calling the president of the US as "Donald" in his annual speech yesterday must've set Mattis's hair on end. Neither Putin nor Trump are bothering to hide who's the boss.

Having lost virtually all his domestic loyals, Trump is left w/Putin & Erdogan. Kind of like when he was an outcast from the far richer real estate dynasties in NYC like the Silversteins & Rudins as well as reputable banks, he was left w/mob money.

Trump relishes creating this chaos. He's had a good day - Syria, Afghanistan, The Wall.

quote:Ending military operations and withdrawing from foreign nations is what we should all want...if the conditions and circumstances support it.

Democrats, not surprisingly, are criticizing which is to be expected. The right wing hawks aren't shy to speak out either. Probably the same ones that would have us invade Iran if they got their way.

We saw what happened when we drew down in Iraq. We really shouldn't or can't stay in these places forever can we? Or do we just accept and continue to pay for it in dollars and lives with the perpetual war? Maybe that is what the age and times call for - I guess that is what the critics want too?

I agree with much of what you said here. I would prefer to be less US presence in active military conflicts in general.

But what we have here is a president who made this decision without discussing it with the experts he hired or our allies. It's like he gets a phone call from Moscow and 15 minutes later he types out the withdrawal on Twitter while sitting on the toilet. He has multiple high level staff openings, a crashing stock market, a government shutdown looming, and multiple scandels in his orbit and all of a sudden he thinks this a great time to drop this out of left field. Things that make you go hmmm.

Neither am I, but one of our most decorated generals ever was really against it and quit over it.

quote:People complaining about this decision are up for signing up American GIs for another extended military occupation. No thanks.

Well remember when Obama did this and created ISIS? Trump sure loves to justify his actions by reminding us all that “Obama did it too”. I’m still confused as to why Trump continues to do what Obama did, if Obama is his arch nemesis. Odd to say the least. Wouldn’t you think Trump would be doing things differently than the person he hates? Anyway.

quote:If someone can point to something working in either Afghanistan or Syria lets here it. I doubt we would be leaving if that is the case. America can use its wealth, power and influence in other more appreciative regions like Central America for starters.

Let’s hear it? LOL, such an elementary strategy. “If you can’t lay out a viable foreign policy plan for me, then Trump is right.” So silly.

quote:Ending military operations and withdrawing from foreign nations is what we should all want...if the conditions and circumstances support it.

Democrats, not surprisingly, are criticizing which is to be expected. The right wing hawks aren't shy to speak out either. Probably the same ones that would have us invade Iran if they got their way.

We saw what happened when we drew down in Iraq. We really shouldn't or can't stay in these places forever can we? Or do we just accept and continue to pay for it in dollars and lives with the perpetual war? Maybe that is what the age and times call for - I guess that is what the critics want too?

I agree with much of what you said here. I would prefer to be less US presence in active military conflicts in general.

But what we have here is a president who made this decision without discussing it with the experts he hired or our allies. It's like he gets a phone call from Moscow and 15 minutes later he types out the withdrawal on Twitter while sitting on the toilet. He has multiple high level staff openings, a crashing stock market, a government shutdown looming, and multiple scandels in his orbit and all of a sudden he thinks this a great time to drop this out of left field. Things that make you go hmmm.

I totally get it and understand.

Trump thinks that the "fake news" and people are just upset because he is the one bringing troops home from Syria. When in fact, alot of people would like to have our involvement in Syria and other places to end. It is how you do it that matters and few people trusts him to be the one calling the shots on it.

At the same time though, I do not think our more progressive minded friends are willing to just let the generals totally dictate foreign policy. If you do that you are going to have an ever expanding military presence virtually everywhere and more money down the rabbit hole. But yeah I totally get it, any alternative is better than Trump dictating foreign policy to them.

____________________"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

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