posted December 20, 2005 12:55 AM
...I hope the rear seat cowls fit way smoother than that....
____________“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.”
-George Orwell

posted December 20, 2005 03:58 AM
....good thing! (whew!)
____________“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.”
-George Orwell

posted December 20, 2005 04:20 AM
....I still think a digital speedo with large number readouts is the way to go with hyperbikes that can reach speeds of 190+ on the street....trying to cram all those numbers on an analog gage makes for small numbers, thus delayed data recognition/comprehension by the rider...especially at higher speeds with your helmet being buffeted and your vision and acquisition of those tiny numbers on a rouund dial being somewhat less than optimum...even at 65-75

____________“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.”
-George Orwell

posted December 20, 2005 04:24 AM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Dec 2005 12:25One report was that "dry weight" really means design weight: in other words the sum of what all the parts are specified to weigh, excluding fluids, and (I forget) either excluding battery or with unfilled battery.

This is why dry weights can be reported before a production bike has even been made. It is also why sometimes they are grossly wrong, as production parts sometimes are heavier than what the engineers specified them to be.

The only really accurate and meaningful weight figure from a manufacturer is the curb weight, which is indeed actual weight. This does not appear until after production bikes have actually been produced.

posted December 20, 2005 05:00 AM
"....I still think a digital speedo with large number readouts is the way to go with hyperbikes that can reach speeds of 190+ on the street....trying to cram all those numbers on an analog gage makes for small numbers, thus delayed data recognition/comprehension by the rider"

Maybe they could let the gauge go around 1,5 turns or more
Outside readings for the smaller speeds and the second turn of the speedometer would read inside
Whadda-ya-think?

posted December 20, 2005 05:36 AM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Dec 2005 13:36One doesn't need to read the digits, the angle of the needle is sufficient once one has gotten used to what angle means what speed. Except perhaps where having a cop definitely observing you and wanting to be dead-on, in which case the numbers aren't too small anyway.

posted December 20, 2005 01:36 PM
Are you guys on CRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with you guys??????????? Are you blind???

This fucker aint made out of Pop Corn!!!!!!!!!! It can't be as big as it is and weigh as little as a ZX10!!!!!!!!!! If that was the case the ZX10 would be floating above the floor at the dealership. It would need moring ropes to keep it off the ceiling...

So that would be, if so, 55 lb heavier in dry weight than the 10R, which is believable, though I place no bets as to whether it's the case. It would represent a big advance, 33 lb, if in parallel with actual weight change, over the 12R which had a "dry weight" figure of 463 lb (far under the curb weight.)

Where they would have taken the 33 lb out I don't know, unless the engine is a lot lighter. Wheels, there's some there for sure, but the new exhaust is likely heavier. The frame is several pounds lighter, but the engine gets a second balancer, so the net savings between those two can't be more than 2 or 3 lb I would think. So where the weight is being lost, if it is, besides wheels and minor knick-knacks here and there I dunno.

If they did whack 20 or 30 lb out of the engine then we are all going to have to take this bike more seriously. Somehow I'm reluctant to buy that hypothesis though.