“This article headlines "AMERICA is FURIOUS about WikiLeaks leaks.."
THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE --- isnt it ???

After all, all the Americans, western posters here swear that there is no censorship in the West and that there is complete transparency and honesty in the media/press and that thee is complete 100% Freedom of information...”
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This is probably more interesting than Wikileaks. Pew Attitudes survey results from the land of the pure. Despite the billions in aid, majority of Pak vehemently hate the US (the national bird REAPER is doing the trick I'd guez!). But majority also want improved relations with the US (more aid!!) LOLZ. No surprises when it comes to India of course :-)

Pakistan like other nations need to pursue their interests.I do condemn the attack on Mumbai. However, most of the problems in the world are not caused by Pakistan but the imperialistic misadventures of America and Britain. In the last century they conducted the biggest butchery in human history.In the first decade of this century,they have inflicted lot of misery on people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Pakistan is incapable of matching their misdeeds.

Yes, Pakistan supported Taliban and still does, India supported Northern Alliance and still does. They are both jockeying for their interests after Americans leave in 2011. What is so unusual for Pakistan to think beyond 2011.

In your haste to pour the blame on Pakistan you didn't understand my point of the extent of misery of Indian People and your bloody government willingness to spend billions in Afghanistan is to underscore the Indian motivation which is not benign at all. India has its design in the region and Pakistan has its own.

while bragging of India's GDP, Pakistanis are no poorer than Indians on GPD per head basis.They are equally and miserably poor. The aid it is getting from America is pitiful.Aid of $1 to $1.5B a year is peanut relative to GDP of $200B and most of its probably pocketed by Zardari and his cohorts.Incidently, Taliban turned against Pakistan only after it started supporting America's war. Unlike you, Americans understand this and is the primary reason for continuing the alliance and aid to Pakistan. There are other services,i.e, intelligence, Pakistan provides. Drone attacks will be impossible without this intelligence. How would Afghans in kandahar know where Al Qaeda guys are in Wazirstan. Americans are not foolish.They are privy to lot more information than The Economist and its readers.

By the way,is killing civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan ,as Wkilleaks show, not an act of terrorism? Does the unfiform negates the killing of civilians? By all accounts Waziristanis are terrrorised much like Londoners and New Yorkers.

An ally who is not an ally is not an ally. You would have thought we had learned this in Vietnam, where we backed a corrupt and vicious bunch of thieves. But, no. When it comes to all the O6s and O7s, GS-15s and GS-16s bucking for promotion, it is inconvenient to remember, especially if you don't have enough ribbons on your tunic yet to look very good before a congressional committee.

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And are you taking the US and NATO for fools by claiming: “The rest of the world KNOWS that most terrorism originates not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan”?
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You are definitely someting special. No amount of hard evidence makes any impact on your propaganda-washed brain. You comment on stories without even reading them. The evidence that you claim does not exist is provided right in the story you are commenting on. Pick any random story on terrorism anywhere in the world, no matter what the source (except perhaps the CCP) and you will find it linked to Pakistan. Pick any random terrorism incident anywhere in the world, and you will find either its planners, or executioner, or funders, or all the above, based in Pakistan.

And you claim that the US and NATO are “fools”! I bow to the effectiveness of the CCP.

"Govts which invariably rely on a single dynasty for survival, tolerating a citizenry that revels in war-like rhetoric, bitches abt endemic corruption knowing full well it is powerless to end it and cares not a hoot abt violence enveloping growing swathes of its territory nor the abject poverty that feeds that violence."

The pointless rant doesn't make much sense. Watever!

"Some democracy! Give me the old-fashioned and 'self-evident' goodness of the Western variety any day!"

Who said anything about the West? The (inferiority) complex shows up. Again. LOLZ!

What’s a nominal legitimate discussion of America, Afghanistan and Pakistan is turning into incoherent and hysterical posting, again, once you guys join in with your holy grail or phobia of 'CCP' and 'Pakistan'.

And are you taking the US and NATO for fools by claiming: “The rest of the world KNOWS that most terrorism originates not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan”? Why aren’t they in Pakistan instead of being in Afghan all these years if your claim was true?

Admit it, Pak is fighting terrorism alright and in so doing shielding Indian people a lot from terrorist attacks.

Even if you do not want to appear to be grateful to Pakistanis, some civilian help should be in order when Pak people is in trouble of natural disasters like they are experiencing now.

It’s OK I suppose if India does not wish to help out Pak in distress. But if you have to explain, you’d come up with explanation better than: “Any aid we provide gets appropriated and re branded by JuD/LeT”. It just won’t fly.

And welfare dependency and helping the needy are two very different things. It should not be used as an excuse to withhold humane assistance. It’s my view that no one should be welfare dependent but everyone should be helpful to the needy, or be receptive of accepting aid when being a needy.
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commonsensical says: "Nope if they have enough clout among the people they (help) form govts ;-) I am not kidding. Has happened b4 in India!"

Govts which invariably rely on a single dynasty for survival, tolerating a citizenry that revels in war-like rhetoric, bitches abt endemic corruption knowing full well it is powerless to end it and cares not a hoot abt violence enveloping growing swathes of its territory nor the abject poverty that feeds that violence. Some democracy! Give me the old-fashioned and 'self-evident' goodness of the Western variety any day!

“but must you say of Indian extraction or of Chinese extraction to feel spruced up?”

Nothing to do with feeling spruced up. Just want to expose your ‘good-intentioned’, ‘well-meaning’ CPC mask.

“equi-caste level partition in Indian.”

Does it even mean anything?

“And good heavens no, Indians are not more deserving of terrorism than others.”

Good heavens, sure seems like it from your post.

“But India is geographically closer to acts of terrorism than others except Pakistan, which topographically shields India from proximity attacks of terrorism, based on the generally accepted belief that terrorism act originates from Afghan.”

That generally accepted belief must be what the CPC wants you to believe. The rest of the world KNOWS that most terrorism originates not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan. And the last I checked, China shares a large border with Pakistan. So, it should be deserving of that terrorism just as much as India.

“That’s why NATO forces are there fighting in the first place if you don’t believe in me.”

Perhaps you don’t know that NATO is still fighting in Afghanistan after 9 years of being there because all the terrorists, after committing terrorism, retreat back into Pakistan. Did you even read the article you are commenting on?

"Why not open your checkbook and write a donation to Pak flood relief fund now."

The same question applies nkab. Why should I wen El Presidente is cooling off in the South of France and the UK?

In any case there will be assistance from Pak's usual benefactors. So I don't think money would be a problem. Though I don't know if the money would be put to good use or swindled as usual. But the sheer callousness of people like Z is appalling to say the least. And there are news reports saying he is in UK to further his son's political career (he recently finished his studies from Oxford!!). I mean haven't these guys got any shame? Pathetic.

BTW my heartfelt condolences to the people who have lost their loved ones and property in this massive flood.

“nkab, political-economist and other Pakistani apologists of Chinese extraction:
…..unless you mean that Indians are somehow more deserving of that terrorism than say China.”
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I am not in the spice business, but must you say of Indian extraction or of Chinese extraction to feel spruced up? Sure reminds me the need for equi-caste level partition in Indian.

And good heavens no, Indians are not more deserving of terrorism than others.

But India is geographically closer to acts of terrorism than others except Pakistan, which topographically shields India from proximity attacks of terrorism, based on the generally accepted belief that terrorism act originates from Afghan. That’s why NATO forces are there fighting in the first place if you don’t believe in me.

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@commonsensical wrote: Aug 3rd 2010 10:45 GMT

“@ nkab……
And why the heck should India give a hoot about people in Pak?....”
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I can’t believe such callus and cold blooded statement would come from you. Why not open your checkbook and write a donation to Pak flood relief fund now.