H.R. 5103: 20% Federal Tax on Guns, 50% Tax on Ammo

Danny Davis represents Illinois’ 7th congressional district, smack dab in the middle of Chicago. When he isn’t working on bills that would prevent the U.S. from attacking North Korea (read it here) Rep. Davis busies himself sponsoring and co-sponsoring an arsenal of gun control bills . . .

H.B. 5103 is his latest brainchild. The bill seeks to tax gun rights out of existence. Here are the low lights:

Apply a 20% tax on pistols, revolvers, and firearms other than pistols and revolvers (so all guns)

Requires an cost of living inflation formula to be applied regularly to the special occupation tax

Should it become law, the bill would vastly increase the cost of gun ownership, hitting the poor hardest. In Rep. Davis’s orange-skied world, only wealthy people would have the privilege of exercising their natural, civil and constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. The wealthy, and agents of the government, of course. How great is that?

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There are things like the NFA tax that haven’t been touched in almost a century Why? Because if it goes up for discussion even to raise it, well it could just as realistically be abolished as a waste of time, money and rights.

Gun and ammo taxes might sound good to some but while we’re piling on the taxes to products of questionable use, it will quickly become a never ending list and eventually will hit everyone in the pocketbook. I think pit bulls should be regulated like an NFA item and taxed accordingly.

After the dust settles there will be no new sausage. So just let this run it’s course and don’t trump it all up.

The problem with that comparison is that Pitbulls are semi sentient, unlike modern sporting rifles that are wholly dependent on their owner to function or do anything. A Pitbull can be trained to kill or just as easily be trained to be a good doggo. With a firearm, you train yourself to use it and not the firearm to be a good little gun. Sure legislators and mom activists (yuck) are frightened of things that look scary, but the majority of people won’t be convinced with that comparison.

Lets pass a bill that removes any politician that swore to uphold the constitution and then votes for gun control, patriot act , FISA etc. Also any politician that tells a lie pays a $1500 fine for each lie. This would pay for the wall and pay off the debt in about a year. Also fine the networks $10,000 fine for fake news stories [ lies ] per each incident. Any politician that has been in military has taken an oath and should be fined and jailed for treason when proposing unconstitutional laws. Mis-spoke is not a defense.

This is what I have been saying for years – We need a law that allows for a politician, especially senators and congressmen, to be removed for creating or supporting ANY legislation that is unconstitutional. Not only would it get rid of leftists and RINOs but also would prevent all of the garbage laws we are subjected to.

That’s not what the Consistution says, or they wouldn’t need a new bill to affirm it. We have only needed Congressional approval in the past to declare war, which takes a long time. However, if immediate action is needed, the president has always been able send troops into combat as needed.

I would say something about the kinds of politicians who put forth the most egregious gun control bills, and the kinds of people they expect to “enforce” those laws (i.e. Harass, entrap, and if necessary murder American citizens), but if I do then I’ll be put on a government watchlist at the behedst of the SPLC (i.e. The communist front group that really runs the DOJ).

As to the actual chances of Rep. Davis’s gun tax legislation eventually getting out of committee and passing, I couldn’t say. But I believe it has a very low chance (snowball in hell?) of becoming law. Does the U.S. taxpayer contribute tax money to the public till to pay these elected aristocrats so they can indulge in flights of fantasy? Apparently so…

The founders revolted over a 3% tax on tea and paper. If that was justified, then it’s hard to argue that revolting over a 20% poll tax on a constitutionally enumerated civil liberty isn’t also justified. The only reason the founders didn’t kill or capture members of the British parlament or royal family members is because they were an ocean away. Our own would be tyrants are our neighbours, lest they forget that.

My revolutionary idea: force legislators to put up a (significant; I’m thinking on the order of 5-6 figures) cash bond for every bill they introduce (can be split among multiple sponsors). If the bill survives all court challenges in its first year, the bond is returned. Otherwise, the bond is forfeited and used to help fund the GPO and/or Library of Congress.

What will it take? When is enough, enough? There are all too many people in this country who delude themselves into thinking that as a society we no longer are subject to Natural Law. When will these sheep have gone too far and taken the rest of us to the brink? A war is coming. As sure as the founding of our Nation, which failed to resolve the inevitable question of slavery, forged the path directly to the Civil War we are now on a path being laid by socialists. I wonder if they know or care or are simply too stupid to see what is so evident to the rest of us? Their abject failure to understand what led to the election of our current President is clear evidence that they will continue with these policies. That the division building in our country will only continue to build. We are not like other nations led down this path. We are not, and never will be a disarmed populace. I fear for our future and our children’s future.

What will the money from the tax go for? Well, more law enforcement, Project Safe Neighborhoods, CDC (for purposes of research on gun violence and its prevention), Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets act of ’68, NICS Act Record Improvement Program, Community-Based Violence Prevention Field-Initiated Research and Evaluation Program of the Department of Justice…. and….

(G) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the Secretary of Education to provide directed grants and technical assistance to schools eligible for or receiving grants under part A of title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to develop and implement comprehensive, evidence-based local or regional strategies (such as positive behavior interventions and supports, social and emotional learning, and restorative justice programs) to improve school climate, reduce the use of exclusionary school discipline, and decrease the number of youth entering the juvenile and criminal justice systems.

Didn’t the FL school already try to keep the killer out of trouble? Wouldn’t this just double down on that?

Classify rifle-round shooting pistols as a firearm, like a stripped lower or silencer is a firearm? What would be the purpose of that? To restrict imports and apply sporting purposes language to imports? I could see that maybe.

I guess in Florida that would mean no concealed carry since that is limited to pistols, so no more sticking that AR pdw brace gun in your pants…

I guess the SP5K, apc9, scorp, MPX, uzi, etc would still be a pistol since they only use 9mm.

If the Republicrats had done one thing I would love to see all the silly sporting, building, 922, import rules etc changed to just call everything a gun, no limits or rules on overall length, parts content, barrel length, etc. It is all just a firearm, do with it as you legally please. But that would require too much common sense. And when has government ever made anything less complicated, less regulated.

There is no practical reason – I suspect it’s an artifact of Davis seeing an AR pistol and saying, “OMG! We can’t have these running around unregulated! We have to do something!” Even though they are regulated already, in some cases (as pistols) more so than rifles.

Ah, I see, a long-barreled pistol! LBP! They are pretty scary, those LBPs. Loud, blasty, it is as if people were tired of paying more for short barreled rifles, they switched to long barreled pistols. This will stop them. Bwhahahahaha!

Like another Chicago politician, Danny Davis has little to no betterment for his constituents after 21 years of federal political service. But he has proven to have questionable decision making as to policy political relationships. In other words abiut what you expect from Chicago.

The mistake by the lake. I’m glad I left that shithole of a city.. 75% of the buildings still have lead water mains running into the houses there.. Those people are nutty as hell!!! Lead poisons their liberal anti constitution brains.. Total lawlessness.. Traitors, cartel members and scumbags…

Please help save our 2nd Amendment rights. The Whitehouse.gov petition web site has a lot of pro-2nd Amendment petitions that need people to view and sign if possible. Look at these and decide which to sign. There are too many to link here.

It’s been attempted before. This will go nowhere, at least nationally. Can’t speak for joints like IL, MA, MI, CA, where they’re losing population faster by people fleeing than the ganstas can kill ’em off. Placing bets on it?

Too late, we already have a firearm and ammo tax.
A tax if 10 percent of the sales price is imposed on pistols and revolvers, and a tax of 11 percent of the sales price is imposed on other portable weapons (e.g., rifles and shotguns) and ammunition.

Pittman-Robertson is a hell of a long way from Davis’s proposal and you know it. P-R was also passed as a result of sportsmen/outdoors folk (who included nearly everyone outside of the inner city in 1934) eeking to maintain and grow opportunities in hunting and fishing. I suppose I have to point out that I know the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and fishing for the shallow ones around here, but that was the function of Pittman-Robertson. For years I was in on helping dole out our allotment.

Well it will probably pass. The government loves taxes, as far as being fair to the poor. There’s county fairs, State fairs, and science fairs, but there ain’t No fairs. Besides the poor don’t need firearms, cars, food, medical or housing. There poor damnit, who needs the poor? Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, never mind your barefoot. Scum of the Earth, white trash must go, along with all the others. This is America, land of the free so get out of my country.

Cute, but IMO it’s always better to take opponents on concerning the substance of their proposals than doing/wishing what Stalin and the democrat party does… If you can’t win your argument in the poll of public opinion, which gun ownership always has been able to do when we use our brains rather than a bunch of threats, it isn’t worth winning.

All this will do is expand the black market for guns to include many former and otherwise law abiding citizens who want to exercise their right to self defense. This is basically a arms smuggler subsidy bill. I would probe this congressman’s personal dealings, very likely someone associated with him stands to profit.

Maybe it’s time for US to stand up to assholes like this one. Are we just going to sit here and watch these communist pricks do away wit OUR constitution?? They had better watch out for what they are asking. When the payment comes due, they will suffer more than we will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The TRUTH is. ANYONE can buy ANY GUN on ANY CORNER in ANY CITY with a poor URBAN community. That means EVERY city in America. We have hundreds of gun laws that good citizens obey. On the street there is NO BACKROUND CHECK, NO AGE QUALIFICATION and no one will ask you if you are NUTS. The NRA is not the bad guy. Unfortunately the police are a great investigative organization but the arrive at the scene when the killing is over. The undeniable TRUTH is the only way to stop a BAD GUY with a gun is a GOOD GUY with a gun. Sad but true. Let’s protect our kids with secure and defensible schools.

You’re stretching the “truth” a bit here, and it is relevant to point it out. Yes, you can buy a gun on the street in large urban cities but you often will take what is offered. Going around trying to be specific to certain things with the criminal element may end up with you in the river. Go ahead and try your theory for real and see what you end up with. Be sure to push the “pusher” real hard. I doubt you’ve tried it.