Hands down Lowry is still the starting PG, he does a lot of things we do need for the team. With ow things are going and Lowry's mentality winning above all he will buy in no doubt Bargnani however wont he is what he has always been since he was drafted, he either cant change or refuses to.

If he continues to play hero ball, if he continues to chuck up unnecessary shots, you gotta move him.

People need to relax. The only difference between the shots that Kyle Lowry took before his first injury and after are that they went in. It's like Alan Anderson if the shots his been taking lately weren't going in everybody would be calling him a chucker. People in this forum are so not used to having a player that's not afraid of the big moment. Like it or not Lowry is are best player production wise, talent wise and toughness wise. This what good players do they take shots that average player are scared of taking. Don't tell me Calderon does that all the time too. It's easy to take a shot when the ball is passed out to with the clock going down and you don't even have to think about it. What do you guys think "closers"? Players that are willing to take shot knowing if they miss it's on them. It's takes guts to live with that and too keep taking those shots.

I don't want to take anything away from Calderon cause, his playing extremely well. Lets not start a debate here. There is no way Calderon will survive through this PG. The PG slayer has finally met his match.

People need to relax. The only difference between the shots that Kyle Lowry took before his first injury and after are that they went in. It's like Alan Anderson if the shots his been taking lately weren't going in everybody would be calling him a chucker. People in this forum are so not used to having a player that's not afraid of the big moment. Like it or not Lowry is are best player production wise, talent wise and toughness wise. This what good players do they take shots that average player are scared of taking. Don't tell me Calderon does that all the time too. It's easy to take a shot when the ball is passed out to with the clock going down and you don't even have to think about it. What do you guys think "closers"? Players that are willing to take shot knowing if they miss it's on them. It's takes guts to live with that and too keep taking those shots.

I don't want to take anything away from Calderon cause, his playing extremely well. Lets not start a debate here. There is no way Calderon will survive through this PG. The PG slayer has finally met his match.

Yeah, go ask TJ Ford, Jarrett Jack and Jerryd Bayless.

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lowry is the exact same player he was last year. the same player he was the year before that and the same player he will be next year. anyone that wasn't expecting him to play his game while with the raptors didn't know who lowry was besides a name or what the papers said he was. lowry is a boss. same time people are saying we don't need hero ballers they want to trade for gay because he plays hero ball at the end of games.

People need to relax. The only difference between the shots that Kyle Lowry took before his first injury and after are that they went in. It's like Alan Anderson if the shots his been taking lately weren't going in everybody would be calling him a chucker. People in this forum are so not used to having a player that's not afraid of the big moment. Like it or not Lowry is are best player production wise, talent wise and toughness wise. This what good players do they take shots that average player are scared of taking. Don't tell me Calderon does that all the time too. It's easy to take a shot when the ball is passed out to with the clock going down and you don't even have to think about it. What do you guys think "closers"? Players that are willing to take shot knowing if they miss it's on them. It's takes guts to live with that and too keep taking those shots.

I don't want to take anything away from Calderon cause, his playing extremely well. Lets not start a debate here. There is no way Calderon will survive through this PG. The PG slayer has finally met his match.

Great post.

The only thing I would mention is, upon return, Lowry does need to be more selective in applying his extremely large testicular fortitude.

The only thing I would mention is, upon return, Lowry does need to be more selective in applying his extremely large testicular fortitude.

hahaha, and one!

Folks also need to remember that this win streak, sweet as it is, is coming against Cleveland, Pistons, a pretty dysfunctional Mavs team and a Houston team that seemed to be looking ahead to the NYK game the next night (if you watched the NYK/HOU game you saw a totally different effort than the one they put up vs TO). Magic up next. Jose and Jameer have had a lil somethin' goin on for years and JJ is ballin. Magic are playing quite well and as a team so it's not a gimme but is still a "getable" game. @Spurs on boxing day will be tough.

People need to relax. The only difference between the shots that Kyle Lowry took before his first injury and after are that they went in. It's like Alan Anderson if the shots his been taking lately weren't going in everybody would be calling him a chucker. People in this forum are so not used to having a player that's not afraid of the big moment. Like it or not Lowry is are best player production wise, talent wise and toughness wise. This what good players do they take shots that average player are scared of taking. Don't tell me Calderon does that all the time too. It's easy to take a shot when the ball is passed out to with the clock going down and you don't even have to think about it. What do you guys think "closers"? Players that are willing to take shot knowing if they miss it's on them. It's takes guts to live with that and too keep taking those shots.

I don't want to take anything away from Calderon cause, his playing extremely well. Lets not start a debate here. There is no way Calderon will survive through this PG. The PG slayer has finally met his match.

When he comes back, Lowry is and will be the best player in this team. Period.

“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King

Folks also need to remember that this win streak, sweet as it is, is coming against Cleveland, Pistons, a pretty dysfunctional Mavs team and a Houston team that seemed to be looking ahead to the NYK game the next night (if you watched the NYK/HOU game you saw a totally different effort than the one they put up vs TO). Magic up next. Jose and Jameer have had a lil somethin' goin on for years and JJ is ballin. Magic are playing quite well and as a team so it's not a gimme but is still a "getable" game. @Spurs on boxing day will be tough.

Give credit where credit is due. They're winning because they're playing differently. And even though the refs are doing there damnedest to try to give away the games the Raptors fortitude is finally showing through. This is still the NBA and these are still professional basketball teams so beating them and stringing wins together is notable, particularly considering our inability prior to these games.

And aren't we being a tad assumptive about Houston looking ahead to NY. Seriously...you don't or can't know that.

The only thing I would mention is, upon return, Lowry does need to be more selective in applying his extremely large testicular fortitude.

Absolutely, And 1...

Sometimes you just got a sense with Lowry that he was testing his own personal limits. I made that shot...hmm, maybe I can make a harder one. Maybe even a more difficult one. Oh, I missed that. I can get it next time. I hope he can learn from Jose and visa versa.

People need to relax. The only difference between the shots that Kyle Lowry took before his first injury and after are that they went in. It's like Alan Anderson if the shots his been taking lately weren't going in everybody would be calling him a chucker. People in this forum are so not used to having a player that's not afraid of the big moment. Like it or not Lowry is are best player production wise, talent wise and toughness wise. This what good players do they take shots that average player are scared of taking. Don't tell me Calderon does that all the time too. It's easy to take a shot when the ball is passed out to with the clock going down and you don't even have to think about it. What do you guys think "closers"? Players that are willing to take shot knowing if they miss it's on them. It's takes guts to live with that and too keep taking those shots.

I don't want to take anything away from Calderon cause, his playing extremely well. Lets not start a debate here. There is no way Calderon will survive through this PG. The PG slayer has finally met his match.

+1

Just wanted to add that Lowry is not the passer Jose is, but Lowry has that killer instinct which Jose lacks. They are both very different PG's, but I think once the schedule gets tough again and we start facing better teams people will see that Lowry is the better option as our starting PG. I love what Jose is doing right now, but it's no conincidence that his stellar play comes against bad teams with young, inexperienced PG's.

Just wanted to add that Lowry is not the passer Jose is, but Lowry has that killer instinct which Jose lacks. They are both very different PG's, but I think once the schedule gets tough again and we start facing better teams people will see that Lowry is the better option as our starting PG. I love what Jose is doing right now, but it's no conincidence that his stellar play comes against bad teams with young, inexperienced PG's.

no its not a coincidence. Those just happen to be the teams he's been playing while starting this stretch. If we look at his previous stretch they include a 14 -11 + 13 - 12 night against Holiday, a 20-17 against Mo Williams (triple over time ofcourse), a triple double against Hill, 10-9 against Rondo, a 9 - 18 against Nelson and a 10-15 against Deron.

Lets not pretend that this stretch of games is just 'chance' events based on his current opposition. Jose has been consistently stellar as a starter this year against ALL opposition.

I know fans don't want a 'pg controversy', but its here. Jose play absolutely demands it. Doesn't make Lowry a worse player or a bad player or the back up, but one can't ignore just how absolutely phenomenal Jose has been. Not only individually, but in terms of helping this team.

Semi related note : Assuming Casey will run a 2 pg line up when Lowry is back (and he will), perhaps its time Lowry starts playing off the ball instead of Jose.