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Then tell me, what exactly is he fighting for? What is his reason to endanger those lives? For what purpose is he fighting for that places those live, secondary?

If it's for people, should THEIR lives be a prority?

Lelouch - the entire country is being opressed, there is not justice, the invaders can do whatever they want and gets away with it. What kind of anti-hero does Jail want to be?

For that matter, if he's motives are unclear, isn't it extremely naive to believe that he's doing this for the people's best interest in mind? CONSIDERING his history?

Humans lives ARE a priority for him, just not to the point he'll give up on his plans because of several deaths. The Drones aren't programmed to harm people intentionally, even if it's impossible to avoid casualties entirely he tries to minimize them.

His goals? Not completely clear so far. Maybe he wants to bring mankind to the next stage of evolution.

WE know his history ONLY the way TSAB told it. I can say that we shouldn't believe in it completely either.

Humans lives ARE a priority for him, just not to the point he'll give up on his plans because of several deaths. The Drones aren't programmed to harm people intentionally, even if it's impossible to avoid casualties entirely he tries to minimize them.

He does? When? he released drones he himsef aknowledged he had no control over once they started, on innocent humans, how is that 'limiting casualties'?

Humans lives ARE a priority for him, just not to the point he'll give up on his plans because of several deaths. The Drones aren't programmed to harm people intentionally, even if it's impossible to avoid casualties entirely he tries to minimize them.

I find it difficult to believe in Scaglietti the humanitarian, given his attitude to the products of his research like Fate and Elio - you don't talk about wanting to "get your hands" on the last remnants of the project if you're thinking of people as human beings and not experimental subjects.

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His goals? Not completely clear so far. Maybe he wants to bring mankind to the next stage of evolution.

If he's launching a violent rebellion, then I would think he could at least be a bit clearer about what benefits he's going to achieve, rather than making vague statements about the TSAB holding back scientific progress.

The only accomplishments we've seen from him since Project F are in the field of weaponry to support his insurrection - great progress, perhaps, but hardly a good argument that he would be a better custodian of the dimensions than the TSAB.

Humans lives ARE a priority for him, just not to the point he'll give up on his plans because of several deaths. The Drones aren't programmed to harm people intentionally, even if it's impossible to avoid casualties entirely he tries to minimize them.

His goals? Not completely clear so far. Maybe he wants to bring mankind to the next stage of evolution.

WE know his history ONLY the way TSAB told it. I can say that we shouldn't believe in it completely either.

Maybe he's metally ill as in he was so fascinated of the possibilities of human evolution

Plus,if the drones werent going to harm people,the type 3 in ep 5 would not fire a laser at erio intentionally.

ps.sigh........seems erio's character development is going to be rushed.No Emo scene for him

"Harness their power"... There's your problem right there. It's been mentioned several times already how many worlds have been destroyed because of them playing with Dangerous Lost Logias...

I do not find the idea of burying themin some depot better. Trying to avoid risks at the cost of staying ignorant to possible great scientific achievements sounds cowardly. Who playd with LL and caused the destruction of the worlds? For me it looked like random people who dug them up before TSAB. There're means to minimize the risks of dangerous research in TSAB disposal I believe. Did Doc have any accident with his relics? Never heard of it.

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FOR. WHAT. REASON,

do you see it fit to place lives secondary below research? What could be SOOOOOOOOOO important that the blood on your hands could be ignored?!

Can't say. Not stated clearly yet. But that doesn't mean it's automatically not worth the effort. Where's blood on his hands? How many people died? Can you tell names?

Plus,if the drones werent going to harm people,the type 3 in ep 5 would not fire a laser at erio intentionally.

His "evacuation warning" when his drones were about to level RF6 headquarters, with everyone still incapacitated inside, struck me as a particularly sadistic piece of work - rather like phoning in a bomb threat 10 seconds in advance.

Humans lives ARE a priority for him, just not to the point he'll give up on his plans because of several deaths. The Drones aren't programmed to harm people intentionally, even if it's impossible to avoid casualties entirely he tries to minimize them.

It basically means he DOESN'T CARE.

His Priority has been the lost logia then, above the lives of people in the city, because they aren't important.

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His goals? Not completely clear so far. Maybe he wants to bring mankind to the next stage of evolution.

By building weapons.

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WE know his history ONLY the way TSAB told it. I can say that we shouldn't believe in it completely either.

Thats not true, his current actions support those records of him.

And even if he does do good in his past, does that mean he could be forgiven just like that?

He does? When? he released drones he himsef aknowledged he had no control over once they started, on innocent humans, how is that 'limiting casualties'?

There're programs inside of Drones, did they look like berserking war machines attacking innocent people to you?

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I find it difficult to believe in Scaglietti the humanitarian, given his attitude to the products of his research like Fate and Elio - you don't talk about wanting to "get your hands" on the last remnants of the project if you're thinking of people as human beings and not experimental subjects.

If he's launching a violent rebellion, then I would think he could at least be a bit clearer about what benefits he's going to achieve, rather than making vague statements about the TSAB holding back scientific progress.

The only accomplishments we've seen from him since Project F are in the field of weaponry to support his insurrection - great progress, perhaps, but hardly a good argument that he would be a better custodian of the dimensions than the TSAB.

And how would you say that?

Well, nobody's perfect. He may be no orator.

More important things first. Once he gets some freedom of action he can proceed with the main part.

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Maybe he's metally ill as in he was so fascinated of the possibilities of human evolution

Plus,if the drones werent going to harm people,the type 3 in ep 5 would not fire a laser at erio intentionally.

ps.sigh........seems erio's character development is going to be rushed.No Emo scene for him

If he actually has a beneficial goal, then he could state those benefits more clearly. "They're holding back progress!" isn't much of an argument.

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Well, nobody's perfect. He may be no orator.

Uh huh. So would you trust someone who couldn't even articulate the cause they were willing to start a war over?

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More important things first. Once he gets some freedom of action he can proceed with the main part.

I don't think anything I've seen so far suggests that he should be allowed the freedom of action to demonstrate what he has in mind.

Bottom line: if you're going to violently overturn the status quo, you'd better have a damned good reason. If Scaglietti has one, he's done a terrible job of communicating it. Under those circumstances, I can't see how that adds up to a reason for supporting him.

I do not find the idea of burying themin some depot better. Trying to avoid risks at the cost of staying ignorant to possible great scientific achievements sounds cowardly. Who playd with LL and caused the destruction of the worlds? For me it looked like random people who dug them up before TSAB. There're means to minimize the risks of dangerous research in TSAB disposal I believe. Did Doc have any accident with his relics? Never heard of it.

Go look at the manga, go watch the first season. The leaders of those worlds intentionally use that lost logia, and got themselves blown up.

For the sake of 'Scientific achievements', you are willing to risk an entire planet?

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Can't say. Not stated clearly yet. But that doesn't mean it's automatically not worth the effort. Where's blood on his hands? How many people died? Can you tell names?

If it's not clearly stated, then WHY are you so eager to believe in him when he has long held a record that proves otherwise?

I was just stating a scenario.

But in that case are you going to wait till someone dies then? SO are you the type that has to have reality smack you in the face before you wake up? DO you really need people to start dying before you wonder that maybe this isn't the right thing to do?