The titles from 1978-2015 will be re-released via the Legacy Recordings imprint.

Prince's estate and Sony Music Entertainment announced on Wednesday (June 27) they have signed an exclusive distribution agreement that covers 35 of the iconic musician's previously released albums.

Under the new arrangement, the Prince catalog included in the deal will be distributed by Legacy Recordings. Worldwide rights begin immediately for Prince's album releases from 1995-2010, with the others following in years to come.

Among the titles included in the first phase are The Gold Experience (1995), Emancipation (1996), Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (1999), The Rainbow Children (2001) and 3121 (2006), as well as Musicology (2004) and Planet Earth (2007), which were originally release via Sony through Columbia.

This is really interesting! So Sony is also getting WB stuff, but not Purple Rain or Graffiti Bridge.

Starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992) as well as hit singles "1999," "Little Red Corvette," "I Wanna Be Your Lover," "Raspberry Beret" and much more.

Not really getting the negativity for Sony archive reissues. There have been some great ones and the Legacy issues are usually remastered by the Senior Mastering Engineer at Sony, Vic Anesini. Can't say I've heard anything remotely brickwalled that he's done - check out his Sly & The Family Stone remastering that he's done. He oversaw the best sounding CD reissue of There's A Riot that I've heard - and that's no audiophile album by any stretch of the imagination.

Reply #12 posted 06/27/18 7:40am

Musze

Really hope their Dotted their I's and crossed their T's on this one!

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...

Reply #13 posted 06/27/18 7:41am

Kares

jjam said:

So we'll be waiting a few years for 1999 Deluxe then.

Not really getting the negativity for Sony archive reissues. There have been some great ones and the Legacy issues are usually remastered by the Senior Mastering Engineer at Sony, Vic Anesini. Can't say I've heard anything remotely brickwalled that he's done - check out his Sly & The Family Stone remastering that he's done. He oversaw the best sounding CD reissue of There's A Riot that I've heard - and that's no audiophile album by any stretch of the imagination.

.Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant..

Not really getting the negativity for Sony archive reissues. There have been some great ones and the Legacy issues are usually remastered by the Senior Mastering Engineer at Sony, Vic Anesini. Can't say I've heard anything remotely brickwalled that he's done - check out his Sly & The Family Stone remastering that he's done. He oversaw the best sounding CD reissue of There's A Riot that I've heard - and that's no audiophile album by any stretch of the imagination.

We won’t have to necessarily wait. WB will still have the rights until 2021 so it’s possible they could do it.

Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

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Reply #16 posted 06/27/18 7:53am

jjam

So I guess The Gold Experience will be first up. What isn't mentioned in the article is whether we'll see unreleased stuff on these reissues. The Gold Experience certainly serves to be an expanded release.

Reply #17 posted 06/27/18 7:53am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Militant said:

This is really interesting! So Sony is also getting WB stuff, but not Purple Rain or Graffiti Bridge.

Starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992) as well as hit singles "1999," "Little Red Corvette," "I Wanna Be Your Lover," "Raspberry Beret" and much more.

Or Parade. But that was pretty much already speculated from the info we got about the WB deal, that eventually all rights would revert back to a Prince except for the soundtrack stuff.

Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

The Black Album was always a one-off contract with WB. I have a feeling we won’t be getting a reissue of that, though I bet Sony is gonna try.

Reply #19 posted 06/27/18 7:59am

Kares

embmmusic said:

I really hope this includes vinyl releases of those albums

.Maybe, but don't forget that many of those albums never came out on vinyl and most of the artwork was horrible enough in CD-size and would look truly awful when blown up to 12" size... I'm pretty sure there aren't any artwork originals in higher resolution for many of the titles, especially for those internet-only releases. So they'd either have to redesign the covers for most of them or just put them out in awful quality – like that Exodus LP where they couldn't even be arsed to source the artwork without that stupid parental advisory sticker, they just blew it up to 12" size with the sticker on it... Absolutely awful....

So I guess The Gold Experience will be first up. What isn't mentioned in the article is whether we'll see unreleased stuff on these reissues. The Gold Experience certainly serves to be an expanded release.

My speculation is that the unreleased stuff (at least the WB years) will be released on WB over the next few years, until 2021. Perhaps we won’t see a contract for other unreleased stuff until after that.

Reply #21 posted 06/27/18 8:03am

ChocolateBox3121

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Hopefully this means we will start getting true Vault releases, and not garbage like Piano And Microphone 83.

.I wonder if the NPG albums are included or not. The press release says 1995-2010, so Exodus and New Power Soul should be included, but then what about Goldnigga? That's owned by the estate so why isn't it included? Or did they perhaps leave out Exodus and New Power Soul too? That would make no sense as all three of these are essentially Prince albums. So is Kamasutra, for example.

Hopefully this means we will start getting true Vault releases, and not garbage like Piano And Microphone 83.

The deal DOES NOT include Vault recordings.

[Edited 6/27/18 8:03am]

."As part of the deal, Legacy will also be able to distribute other post-1995 Prince material such as previously released singles, B-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos."

.Even if they are all previously released, I'll be happy to see them reissued and properly marketed.

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

Reply #25 posted 06/27/18 8:24am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

.I wonder if the NPG albums are included or not. The press release says 1995-2010, so Exodus and New Power Soul should be included, but then what about Goldnigga? That's owned by the estate so why isn't it included? Or did they perhaps leave out Exodus and New Power Soul too? That would make no sense as all three of these are essentially Prince albums. So is Kamasutra, for example.

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Sony may not want that stuff. Yes they are "essential" to Prince diehards but the casual fan? Hell, I'm a huge Prince fan and don't think they're "essential" at all.

Reply #26 posted 06/27/18 8:27am

KlyphIsBackAgain

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

Maybe they can remaster it too. Talk about brickwalled!!!

Reply #27 posted 06/27/18 8:29am

Kares

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

.The last thing we want is someone fiddling with Prince's mixes and finished albums – just leave them as they are! The fact that Prince has made some questionable artistic decisions (and it was just one of the many natural results of his creative freedom and boldness) does not mean that I'd want someone to try "correcting" those "mistakes". So please don't even try to give the Estate the wrong ideas....

.I wonder if the NPG albums are included or not. The press release says 1995-2010, so Exodus and New Power Soul should be included, but then what about Goldnigga? That's owned by the estate so why isn't it included? Or did they perhaps leave out Exodus and New Power Soul too? That would make no sense as all three of these are essentially Prince albums. So is Kamasutra, for example.

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Sony may not want that stuff. Yes they are "essential" to Prince diehards but the casual fan? Hell, I'm a huge Prince fan and don't think they're "essential" at all.

.Please read before commenting. I said "they are essentially Prince albums", not that they are essential releases in his catalog. Casual fans don't even know about albums such as Xpectation or NEWS...

Not really getting the negativity for Sony archive reissues. There have been some great ones and the Legacy issues are usually remastered by the Senior Mastering Engineer at Sony, Vic Anesini. Can't say I've heard anything remotely brickwalled that he's done - check out his Sly & The Family Stone remastering that he's done. He oversaw the best sounding CD reissue of There's A Riot that I've heard - and that's no audiophile album by any stretch of the imagination.

.Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant..

Thanks for the positivity.

It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

Reply #30 posted 06/27/18 8:37am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Sony may not want that stuff. Yes they are "essential" to Prince diehards but the casual fan? Hell, I'm a huge Prince fan and don't think they're "essential" at all.

.Please read before commenting. I said "they are essentially Prince albums", not that they are essential releases in his catalog. Casual fans don't even know about albums such as Xpectation or NEWS...

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[Edited 6/27/18 8:31am]

I did, and I read wrong. It happens. My opinion still remains the same though.

Reply #31 posted 06/27/18 8:41am

Kares

jdcxc said:

Kares said:

.Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant..

Thanks for the positivity. It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

.I have a feeling we might see all of these releases as Japanese-made mini-LPs in the (hopefully near) future and that will surely be a wonderful collection to have. I'm guessing as Sony did put out all the Miles Davis and Bob Dylan reissues in Japan as mini-LPs, several times already. I can hardly wait...

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

.The last thing we want is someone fiddling with Prince's mixes and finished albums – just leave them as they are! The fact that Prince has made some questionable artistic decisions (and it was just one of the many natural results of his creative freedom and boldness) does not mean that I'd want someone to try "correcting" those "mistakes". So please don't even try to give the Estate the wrong ideas....

Too late for that considering the Piano & A Microphone upcoming release.

Only kidding re The Gold Experience. I've just always found it baffling how Prince could include that track in such an overblown version.

Reply #33 posted 06/27/18 8:45am

Kares

.For all the people badmouthing Sony: just please have a look at that Santana Lotus reissue they've put out in Japan last year. Lots of bonus material even though it was a triple album to begin with, and reproducing ALL of the original, amazing artwork in a 7"(!) mini-LP package..

Agreed on this. I don't know why I should get excited about the re-release of stuff I already own.

Agreed! Unless they are going to remaster some and then I would buy the remasters.

Reply #42 posted 06/27/18 9:47am

eyewishuheaven

At last, a second chance to not get around to buying NewPowerSoul!

I kid, I kid. The important thing is that all this stuff will be available to the world again.

And, yeah... I'll probably buy NPS this time.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!

Reply #43 posted 06/27/18 9:55am

SkipperLove

I hope and suspect that they will re-release these albums with addictional b-sides/unreleased songs associated with each album, and hopefully new packaging. I imagine all albums (like 3121 which has been sadly missing) will be released on streaming sites like Spotify. I hope they give the releases some hype, package a few of them together and sell them for reasonable prices. (after all, CD's aren't being bought as much now and some of these prince albums are very flawed.)

[Edited 6/27/18 9:58am]

Reply #44 posted 06/27/18 9:58am

ChocolateBox3121

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

I hope and suspect that they will re-release these albums with addictional b-sides/unreleased songs associated with each album, and hopefully new packaging. I imagine all albums (like 3121 which has been sadly missing) will be released on streaming sites like Spotify. I hope they give the releases some hype, package a few of them together and sell them for reasonable prices. (after all, CD's aren't being bought as much now and some of these prince albums are very flawed.)

2) most likely they'll also be on streaming services so new fans that be exposed to Prince

3) WB has a limited time release existing albums under their deal so they may be encouraged to put some expanded editions out before 2021

It will be interesting to see what happens to vault material (I know it's not part of this deal). Will WB keep the rights to pre '94 material in perpetuity?

Reply #49 posted 06/27/18 10:33am

ChocolateBox3121

Dangelus said:

This is a win, win.

1) We get the post WB albums re-issued (possibly remastered)

2) most likely they'll also be on streaming services so new fans that be exposed to Prince

3) WB has a limited time release existing albums under their deal so they may be encouraged to put some expanded editions out before 2021

It will be interesting to see what happens to vault material (I know it's not part of this deal). Will WB keep the rights to pre '94 material in perpetuity?

Prince was going to receive FULL ownership of his Masters Recordings from WBR excluding the soundtracks in 2021. It's heartbreaking he didn't live long enough to reap the financial benefits from it as HARD as he fault for them.

2) most likely they'll also be on streaming services so new fans that be exposed to Prince

3) WB has a limited time release existing albums under their deal so they may be encouraged to put some expanded editions out before 2021

It will be interesting to see what happens to vault material (I know it's not part of this deal). Will WB keep the rights to pre '94 material in perpetuity?

Prince was going to receive FULL ownership of his Masters Recordings from WBR excluding the soundtracks in 2021. It's heartbreaking he didn't live long enough to reap the financial benefits from it.

Ah so the WB deal covers all original recordings (including vault material) created whilst he was under contract to WB... So in 2021 ALL vault material will be up for grabs. Another incentive for WB to release as much as possible before 2021 I guess.

Reply #51 posted 06/27/18 11:06am

motherfunka

Dangelus said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince was going to receive FULL ownership of his Masters Recordings from WBR excluding the soundtracks in 2021. It's heartbreaking he didn't live long enough to reap the financial benefits from it.

Ah so the WB deal covers all original recordings (including vault material) created whilst he was under contract to WB... So in 2021 ALL vault material will be up for grabs. Another incentive for WB to release as much as possible before 2021 I guess.

You would think, but it's been over 2 years and we haven't seen much.

Reply #52 posted 06/27/18 11:08am

Silvertongue7

So nothing new? Ok.

Reply #53 posted 06/27/18 11:16am

endymion

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wonder how much this deal is for? Hopefully WAY over $30 Million.

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

What you don't remember never happened

Reply #54 posted 06/27/18 11:18am

Silvertongue7

endymion said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wonder how much this deal is for? Hopefully WAY over $30 Million.

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

Well, if the universal deal fell because they weren’t getting Purple Rain, and (I might be wrong) that deal included unreleased material, this one is not going to be more money if it doesn’t include PR either and it doesn’t include unreleased material...

Reply #55 posted 06/27/18 11:21am

endymion

Silvertongue7 said:

endymion said:

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

Well, if the universal deal fell because they weren’t getting Purple Rain, and (I might be wrong) that deal included unreleased material, this one is not going to be more money if it doesn’t include PR either and it doesn’t include unreleased material...

Yes, but I still don't get what difference it makes?

??

What you don't remember never happened

Reply #56 posted 06/27/18 11:23am

Dangelus

Silvertongue7 said:

endymion said:

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

Well, if the universal deal fell because they weren’t getting Purple Rain, and (I might be wrong) that deal included unreleased material, this one is not going to be more money if it doesn’t include PR either and it doesn’t include unreleased material...

We don't need to concern ourselves on how much $ this deal is. All that matters is somebody is interested in releasing the material. It's an easy win to get existing albums and singles back out in circulation to expose a new generation to the music. Deals have been and will be struck to release vault material over the next few years which hopefully will be helped with encouraging sales of existing previously released material.

Reply #57 posted 06/27/18 11:24am

Strive

That's alot of albums.

Well, I hope Sony does them justice and we get some cool stuff in the future.

(But this deal doesn't include the Black Album )[Edited 6/27/18 11:29am]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow

Reply #58 posted 06/27/18 11:25am

endymion

Dangelus said:

Silvertongue7 said:

endymion said:

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

Well, if the universal deal fell because they weren’t getting Purple Rain, and (I might be wrong) that deal included unreleased material, this one is not going to be more money if it doesn’t include PR either and it doesn’t include unreleased material...

We don't need to concern ourselves on how much $ this deal is. All that matters is somebody is interested in releasing the material. It's an easy win to get existing albums and singles back out in circulation to expose a new generation to the music. Deals have been and will be struck to release vault material over the next few years which hopefully will be helped with encouraging sales of existing previously released material.

What you don't remember never happened

Reply #59 posted 06/27/18 11:32am

djThunderfunk

Here's hoping the NPGMC digital only albums finally get a physical release.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #60 posted 06/27/18 11:34am

Silvertongue7

^^^ The amount doesn’t matter to me eithe; it’s just another disappointment though, at least initially, as the deal doesn’t include new material. We’ll see, people who know Legacy seem to be happy, so they’ll hopefully do a good job. And I don’t really have many remixes or b sides from the 90s on, so that will be cool to get. But at this rate I think I’ll be dead before they release the stuff I really want (like my personal holy grail, which would be the The Time’s albums with Prince’s vocals). Anyway, anything that means exposure is good news, although for me slightly disappointing as well...

Reply #61 posted 06/27/18 11:38am

jjhunsecker

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

Reply #62 posted 06/27/18 11:39am

ChocolateBox3121

endymion said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wonder how much this deal is for? Hopefully WAY over $30 Million.

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

It makes a BIG difference. Prince worked VERY hard to get the respect & financial worth he wanted with his VAST catalog of music that rivaled ANY artist. He guarded them with his life and only allowed TWO PEOPLE(Joshua & JAY-Z) access to it. So he would be proud looking down on knowing it's worth was achieved.

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.

Reply #64 posted 06/27/18 11:44am

nelcp777

Cool, I think this is great.

Reply #65 posted 06/27/18 11:48am

leadline

Great that this stuff will be on the shelves, but we already have all this stuff no? Not the most exciting of announcements.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013

Reply #66 posted 06/27/18 11:50am

luvsexy4all

does this mean they will be remastered with bonus tracks? doesnt appear so

Reply #67 posted 06/27/18 12:00pm

djThunderfunk

Piano & Microphone 83 may not excite many, but it's more interesting to me than offering to sell me albums I already own, most on multiple formats, again.

I'll be the first in line for the albums that never got a physical release.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #68 posted 06/27/18 12:02pm

luvsexy4all

since it says they have rights also to b-sides and remixes etc ...hopefully they will include those with each release

Reply #69 posted 06/27/18 12:06pm

Silvertongue7

djThunderfunk said:

Piano & Microphone 83 may not excite many, but it's more interesting to me than offering to sell me albums I already own, most on multiple formats, again.

I'll be the first in line for the albums that never got a physical release.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.

If you want Lovesexy tracked, have you thought of buying the European version? I’m sure shipping to the US won’t be very expensive - I’ve bought CDs from the US and it’s never been a huge amount, I guess it will be similar the other way round.

Reply #70 posted 06/27/18 12:06pm

jjhunsecker

Silvertongue7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.

Well, pretty much all of the WB catalog sounds like crap on CD, so I hope whatever Anecini and his crew can get their hands on will show sonic improvement

Reply #71 posted 06/27/18 12:08pm

Silvertongue7

jjhunsecker said:

Silvertongue7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.

Well, pretty much all of the WB catalog sounds like crap on CD, so I hope whatever Anecini and his crew can get their hands on will show sonic improvement

I know. Parade and SOTT are the ones which sound worst to me though.

Reply #72 posted 06/27/18 12:09pm

jjhunsecker

My dream for Prince was always what Rhino did with the Elvis Costello catalog when they had the rights- put out every album as a 2 CD set- the first CD being the original album rematered, and the second CD containing b-sides, demos, live cuts , and other rare items contemporary or related to the album.

Reply #73 posted 06/27/18 12:23pm

ChocolateBox3121

SquirrelMeat said:

So by my count, the 12 WB releases under Sony are: 4U, Prince, DM, Controversy, 1999, ATWIAD, SOTT, Lovesexy, D&P, Symbol, Come and Chaos. PR, Parade, Batman and Graffiti are excluded as WB licenced soundtracks. Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

so what is happening to the post 95 vault material? are they going to cut a new deal withyet another company for that? or will the estate create their own store?

it seems so unlikely that unreleased material isn't included in this new sony deal. because,what's the incentive for people to re-purchase these albums that they will distribute now?

remastered versions? but they sound ok to me from 96 onward.

and what general public is going to buy any of these albums if they aren't big enough fansto already have them anyway and they are now all going to be on streaming services?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #75 posted 06/27/18 12:26pm

IstenSzek

ChocolateBox3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

So by my count, the 12 WB releases under Sony are: 4U, Prince, DM, Controversy, 1999, ATWIAD, SOTT, Lovesexy, D&P, Symbol, Come and Chaos. PR, Parade, Batman and Graffiti are excluded as WB licenced soundtracks. Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

Th Estate already has ownership of that Master Recording.

surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince madewith WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of theWB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince madewith WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of theWB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

Released after 1996, but WB may still claim this because of when the material was recorded:

Crystal Ball (1998)

The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale (1999)

After WB:

The Truth (1998)

One Nite Alone (2002) (The studio album, not the live set)

Xpectation (2003)

NEWS (2003)

The Chocolate Invasion (2004)

The Slaughterhouse (2004)

Lotusflow3r (2009)

MPLSound (2009) (Is this a separate album from Lotusflow3r?)

20Ten (2010)By my count, that's 15 albums.

But what about the live albums?One Nite Alone...Live! (2002)

C-Note (2004)

Indigo Nights (2008)

Also unknown- the NPG albums, the spinoff acts like the Time, anything recorded to Paisley Park, Internet offerings like NPG Music Club, and of course, anything in the Vault or live shows recorded but unreleased.

Reply #81 posted 06/27/18 1:41pm

IstenSzek

ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:

surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince madewith WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of theWB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?

[Edited 6/27/18 12:26pm]

4U IS NOT included in this new Sony deal.

aaah! now i get it! thanks

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #82 posted 06/27/18 1:47pm

darkroman

I do think Warners should still continue their reissue programme simply because it was fun. It was great to see replicas reprinted. This is something Legacy won't be able to do.

In fact this Legacy agreement is a little odd as I feel there isn't a market for Prince's old CDs.

There are many titles in the shops but they don't sell that well and the ones that are out-of-print are out-of-print because no one was buying them.

Time will tell but history has shown Prince has moved from label to label because of the kudos the labels were seeking - sales were never great.

Ultimately Legacy will only release the titles and the quantities they think will sell and without doubt they will call a stop to it all if it goes nowhere.

Reply #83 posted 06/27/18 2:27pm

bboy87

Gonna be weird to see the 1978-1996 albums without the WB logo

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Reply #84 posted 06/27/18 2:28pm

SchlomoThaHomo

So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."

Reply #85 posted 06/27/18 2:32pm

Strive

wishlish said:

This is my take on it.

They're saying "the 35 studio albums", but that's a bit vague. This is the best info I could find, breaking down cited albums in press releases vs guesses:

The soundtracks are WB's forever. So Purple Rain, Parade, Batman, Graffiti Bridge are never leaving.

The press release did mention live recordings so One Night Alone...Live, It Ain't Over and Indigo Nights are probably included. Same with all the one-off singles post WB.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow

Reply #86 posted 06/27/18 2:36pm

motherfunka

SchlomoThaHomo said:

So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

Reply #87 posted 06/27/18 2:43pm

SchlomoThaHomo

motherfunka said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."

Reply #88 posted 06/27/18 2:56pm

Philly76

Why everybody is so excited, i don't get it?We are talling about re-releases of already released albums.So what?Boring.

Reply #89 posted 06/27/18 2:57pm

jdcxc

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

Isn’t “non-album tracks” the same as “B sides”? Didn’t the term B-sides end in the 90s?

Reply #90 posted 06/27/18 3:20pm

IstenSzek

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said:

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

i wouldn't get my hopes up for unreleased material because if they had the rights to itthey would have mentioned it.

just trying to not get excited again.

seems like they are working at getting all his official album and song releases togetheron the streaming platforms, which is a pretty great thing.

but if that's all this is, i don't see the point of a recordcompany getting involved or whythey would pay for distribution of the albums if they're not going to be expanded sets.

non fans and casual listeners will now listen to that material on streaming sites. they didnot care for or buy the material first time round, they will not buy it now.

so the only way to make money off re-releases would be to actually add concent to them,no?

but everything about the whole estate seems illogical. so who knows.

i'm just hoping that warners is working on their remastered boxsets behind the scenes asthey only have 2 more years to shoot their final load.

they can't just let that deadline approach and not cash in. they're going through the vaultand what company in their right mind would NOT release all those outtakes that they stillhave the right to release now? even if it was just one shoddily assembled mega set of 30discs with little or no work done on it, they would still make cash.

so they're coming with something, they must be.

correction: WE need them to be.

urgh. it's just a waiting game. and it just got a whole lot more frustrating because WB willfirst be releasing the P&M83 'album', which makes you question if they are even in theirright mind.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #91 posted 06/27/18 3:25pm

IstenSzek

also, tidal has that 'new prince album' coming up. so what's that then?

that is a part of the vault that is exempt from this new deal?

or does tidal just get the 1st week exclusive streaming rights and thephysical release will be handled by sony?

but that would be a brand new album, and this deal is for 35 albumsthat have been previously released.

questions questions.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #92 posted 06/27/18 3:26pm

SchlomoThaHomo

I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."

Reply #93 posted 06/27/18 3:39pm

SquirrelMeat

ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:

surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince madewith WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of theWB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?

[Edited 6/27/18 12:26pm]

4U IS NOT included in this new Sony deal.

Where did you get that from?

Every report says the 12 locked albums to be released from 2021 run from 1978 to 1996, and there is only one 1978 album.

.

Reply #94 posted 06/27/18 3:48pm

IstenSzek

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.

Agreed on this. I don't know why I should get excited about the re-release of stuff I already own.

Not exciting for you and most long-time fans, maybe, but at least this is a step towards making all of Prince's music accessible to newer generations and fans who don't own these albums anymore. I became a fan in 2016 and I've spent the entirety of the last two years slowly working through his 80's discography, but this will make it easier for me to dive into his 90's and 00's albums.

Reply #99 posted 06/27/18 5:28pm

Strive

Yeah, alot of new fans were asking where they could listen is his later albums and bitching about the inflated prices of the used market.

Anything that helps slept on albums like The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and One Nite Alone get a wider audience is a good thing.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow

Reply #100 posted 06/27/18 5:33pm

SchlomoThaHomo

IstenSzek said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.

If you want Lovesexy tracked, have you thought of buying the European version? I’m sure shipping to the US won’t be very expensive - I’ve bought CDs from the US and it’s never been a huge amount, I guess it will be similar the other way round.

I tracked it myself in SoundForge. That's good enough that I won't go to the effort to import or pay shipping. If I see a tracked copy in a store however, I'll probably pick it up.

Maybe we’ll finally get our 1 disc Emancipation. But what would be on it?? I wonder if there are any threads on the matter?

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."

Reply #104 posted 06/27/18 5:49pm

ChocolateBox3121

Strive said:

Yeah, alot of new fans were asking where they could listen is his later albums and bitching about the inflated prices of the used market. Anything that helps slept on albums like The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and One Nite Alone get a wider audience is a good thing.

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!

Reply #106 posted 06/27/18 6:14pm

databank

Moonbeam said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said: I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

.Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant..

Thanks for the positivity. It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).

Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

I did, see my website (link below).

Yes, I have seen your very helpful website. Thank you for putting it together!

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!

Reply #109 posted 06/27/18 7:39pm

databank

Moonbeam said:

databank said:

I did, see my website (link below).

Yes, I have seen your very helpful website. Thank you for putting it together!

.Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant..

Thanks for the positivity. It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).

Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.

Another forum member Mintchip has mentioned the following in the Associated Artists forum re the recent usage of Vanity 6's "Nasty Girl" on TV - Interesting credit on Rupaul's Drag Race: "Courtesy of the Prince Estate".

Reply #111 posted 06/27/18 11:22pm

RODSERLING

They won t re release physically the post 1995 albums. And surely not with the B-sides or vidéo like I read here! Some people are Funny.

.This is a dematerialised-only deal. And I don t see the point of it, unless they cancel the Tidal deal..Sony won the deal because Warner and Universal weren t interested at all.

Reply #112 posted 06/28/18 3:31am

jgarde

I just sold my copy of Rave IN2 the Joy Fantastic on discogs to someone from Sony New York. Make of that what you will.

Expanded or reduced?? Maybe we’ll finally get our 1 disc Emancipation. But what would be on it?? I wonder if there are any threads on the matter?

perhaps someone should start a survey

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #114 posted 06/28/18 5:47am

luvparade

Moonbeam said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said: I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

also like "That Girl Thang"

2Gether 4Ever

Reply #115 posted 06/28/18 6:10am

udo

AhPook said:

That's great!

.

Why?

Please elaborate.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #116 posted 06/28/18 6:12am

udo

djThunderfunk said:

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

.

You do not own a tracked Lovesexy yet?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #117 posted 06/28/18 6:48am

leecaldon

ChocolateBox3121 said:

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

Awful to U....

Yeah, I have no problem with that version.

Reply #118 posted 06/28/18 6:49am

leecaldon

jdcxc said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

Isn’t “non-album tracks” the same as “B sides”? Didn’t the term B-sides end in the 90s?

Musicology had 'virtual' b-sides.

Reply #119 posted 06/28/18 7:10am

lastdecember

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F

Reply #120 posted 06/28/18 7:45am

RODSERLING

lastdecember said:

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too..Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: .1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course..2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie.3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits....

Reply #121 posted 06/28/18 7:51am

Dauphin

So, as mentioned:

Purple Rain
Parade
Batman
Graffiti Bridge

Meanwhile, there's a possibility that other albums can be available for inclusion in movie soundtracks. Oh baby[Edited 6/28/18 8:03am]

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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another

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Reply #122 posted 06/28/18 7:57am

Cinny

RODSERLING said:

lastdecember said:

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too. . Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: . 1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course. . 2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie . 3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits... .

The Hits and Girl 6 were both listed as "compilations" (along with The Very Best Of Prince) on princeestate dot com. I don't think they would have an interest in reissuing compilations.

Reply #123 posted 06/28/18 7:57am

Cinny

Dauphin said:

So, as mentioned: Purple Rain Parade Batman Graffiti Bridge

(and their respective movies)

Reply #124 posted 06/28/18 8:05am

Dauphin

Cinny said:

Dauphin said:

So, as mentioned: Purple Rain Parade Batman Graffiti Bridge

(and their respective movies)

Sorry didn't finish my thought. I'm wondering if other albums are now available for the, movie, commercial, etc.

I'm hoping the next Sony Spider-Man movie has Prince music!

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another

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Reply #125 posted 06/28/18 8:17am

ChocolateBox3121

Dauphin said:

So, as mentioned: Purple Rain Parade Batman Graffiti Bridge Meanwhile, there's a possibility that other albums can be available for inclusion in movie soundtracks. Oh baby [Edited 6/28/18 8:03am]

I wonder why SOTT isn't considered or listed as a soundtrack? It did have a full fledged motion picture that accompanied it.

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too. . Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: . 1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course. . 2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie . 3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits... .

The Hits and Girl 6 were both listed as "compilations" (along with The Very Best Of Prince) on princeestate dot com. I don't think they would have an interest in reissuing compilations.

But they won t reissue his albums at all! That is not what the deal is About..You really thought they were going to reissue 1999 or Dirty Minds with à new Sony logo? That they would repackage his albums, knowing the deal is only for the USa? .The physical market Will be Dead by 5 years...An album such as Lovesexy sells maybe 5000 ex a year in the USa...what would be the point?

Reply #127 posted 06/28/18 9:03am

Dauphin

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Dauphin said:

So, as mentioned: Purple Rain Parade Batman Graffiti Bridge Meanwhile, there's a possibility that other albums can be available for inclusion in movie soundtracks. Oh baby [Edited 6/28/18 8:03am]

I wonder why SOTT isn't considered or listed as a soundtrack? It did have a full fledged motion picture that accompanied it.

That film had a unique distribution through Cineplex Odeon. I believe rights were always Prince's, which is why it was difficult to find rereleases until the 2012 Aussie release. Or was it Canadian. I'm positive somebody here understands more of the details.

i agree! 35 previously unreleased prince albums for $350 with some decent artwork would be impossible for any more than casual fan to resist .. i think everyone on the org would buy that today and gladly enjoy listening their way through it for a couple years .. next year drop 35 soundboard concerts ... same price ... make the money now while we want to hand over our cash ... milk the main catalog later

Reply #130 posted 06/28/18 11:01am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

.

You do not own a tracked Lovesexy yet?

I bought a US pressing of Lovesexy 30 years ago and tracked it myself 20 years ago when I got a CD burner. At the time the only way I was aware of to get a tracked version was the expensive promo. The online database recognizes my tracked version as THE tracked version, so, I must have done a good job.

I have never seen a tracked copy in a store for retail (or less). I don't care enough to order an import, but, if I see it in a store, at a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #131 posted 06/28/18 11:04am

djThunderfunk

lastdecember said:

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

Yet, for some reason, the record companies usually release multiple reissues of albums that didn't sell any more than 1995+ Prince albums. So, "the math" must work out for them.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #132 posted 06/28/18 11:05am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie .

Nope. That will never happen.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #133 posted 06/28/18 11:10am

djThunderfunk

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wonder why SOTT isn't considered or listed as a soundtrack? It did have a full fledged motion picture that accompanied it.

Because the album came out in March, 7 months before the movie (and several before the movie was concieved of or made).

Sign "O" The Times, the album, is NOT a soundtrack to the movie, has never been considered a soundtrack to the movie and will never be considered a soundtrack to the movie.

Is Pink Floyd's The Wall considered a "soundtrack"? No. It's not.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #134 posted 06/28/18 11:37am

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

.

You do not own a tracked Lovesexy yet?

I bought a US pressing of Lovesexy 30 years ago and tracked it myself 20 years ago when I got a CD burner. At the time the only way I was aware of to get a tracked version was the expensive promo. The online database recognizes my tracked version as THE tracked version, so, I must have done a good job.

I have never seen a tracked copy in a store for retail (or less). I don't care enough to order an import, but, if I see it in a store, at a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.

Every copie of the album in Cd is tracked since what...15 years? You Can find it at 7 dollars on amazon

Reply #135 posted 06/28/18 11:52am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I bought a US pressing of Lovesexy 30 years ago and tracked it myself 20 years ago when I got a CD burner. At the time the only way I was aware of to get a tracked version was the expensive promo. The online database recognizes my tracked version as THE tracked version, so, I must have done a good job.

I have never seen a tracked copy in a store for retail (or less). I don't care enough to order an import, but, if I see it in a store, at a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.

Every copie of the album in Cd is tracked since what...15 years? You Can find it at 7 dollars on amazon

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #136 posted 06/28/18 1:21pm

SuperFurryAnimal

If they release them in Blu-ray audio they will take my $$$

Trump turns from 'humbling' grief to midterm fire and furry

Reply #137 posted 06/28/18 2:34pm

2freaky4church1

Who wants those albums. lol

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."

Reply #138 posted 06/28/18 2:36pm

Cinny

I have lots of Sony Legacy reissues. If it is "Original Album Classics" all you will get is a card sleeve which is like the album cover shrunk down to five inches tall. Nothing extra added, and sure as hell not remastered.

If they are investing more into it, it will be remastered, with maybe three related tracks (live versions).

I think we are getting our hopes WAY up here.

Reply #139 posted 06/28/18 2:39pm

jjhunsecker

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I bought a US pressing of Lovesexy 30 years ago and tracked it myself 20 years ago when I got a CD burner. At the time the only way I was aware of to get a tracked version was the expensive promo. The online database recognizes my tracked version as THE tracked version, so, I must have done a good job.

I have never seen a tracked copy in a store for retail (or less). I don't care enough to order an import, but, if I see it in a store, at a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.

Every copie of the album in Cd is tracked since what...15 years? You Can find it at 7 dollars on amazon

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.

I haven't seen a decent sized record store in almost as long

Reply #140 posted 06/28/18 3:04pm

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I bought a US pressing of Lovesexy 30 years ago and tracked it myself 20 years ago when I got a CD burner. At the time the only way I was aware of to get a tracked version was the expensive promo. The online database recognizes my tracked version as THE tracked version, so, I must have done a good job.

I have never seen a tracked copy in a store for retail (or less). I don't care enough to order an import, but, if I see it in a store, at a reasonable price, I'll pick it up.

Every copie of the album in Cd is tracked since what...15 years? You Can find it at 7 dollars on amazon

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.

You are a very complicated Man living in à strange World. Every Lovesexy cd is now tracked, no need to mention it on the cover.

Reply #141 posted 06/28/18 3:06pm

luvsexy4all

jgarde said:

I just sold my copy of Rave IN2 the Joy Fantastic on discogs to someone from Sony New York. Make of that what you will.

at least it will be from an original CD...

Reply #142 posted 06/28/18 3:08pm

luvsexy4all

Philly76 said:

Why everybody is so excited, i don't get it? We are talling about re-releases of already released albums. So what? Boring.

if they can get peeps to get nito his albums ...maybe they will want the outtakes...that must be the logic

Reply #143 posted 06/28/18 4:16pm

Moonbeam

RODSERLING said:

lastdecember said:

It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too..Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: .1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course..2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie.3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits....

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but what is the point of this deal if Sony won't issue physical copies of the mentioned 35 albums? Do you think they will only be added to more streaming platforms and maybe iTunes?

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!

Reply #144 posted 06/28/18 4:19pm

IstenSzek

Moonbeam said:

RODSERLING said:

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too. . Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: . 1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course. . 2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie . 3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits... .

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but what is the point of this deal if Sony won't issue physical copies of the mentioned 35 albums? Do you think they will only be added to more streaming platforms and maybe iTunes?

why would they pay 30 million just for that? there must be more in it for them.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #145 posted 06/28/18 4:29pm

Moonbeam

IstenSzek said:

Moonbeam said:

RODSERLING said:

I think the only album that have a (ridiculous) chance to have à physical release through the Sony website (not à chance in stores) are his gold/ Platinum albums : Gold, Rave, Émancipation, Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower...Côme is still out of print too. . Three important things that were not discussed yet concerning this deal: . 1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course. . 2. Sign o the Times Will likely be considéréd as à soundtrack of the movie . 3. Girl 6, as à soundtrack, Will be owned forever by Warner. And it contains 3 tracks from SOTT...1 track from Exodus...2 tracks from the Hits... .

Maybe I am missing something obvious, but what is the point of this deal if Sony won't issue physical copies of the mentioned 35 albums? Do you think they will only be added to more streaming platforms and maybe iTunes?

why would they pay 30 million just for that? there must be more in it for them.

I guess we don't know the amount of the deal yet, but I am wondering the same.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!

Reply #146 posted 06/28/18 4:41pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.

You are a very complicated Man living in à strange World. Every Lovesexy cd is now tracked, no need to mention it on the cover.

That's cause you live in Europe...

Lovesexy has ORIGINALLY was never tracked in the U.S.

A small number of copies eventually were tracked, but when I say small it means it was not a mass production, as Prince intended the album to be one sequence as released on CD.

[Edited 6/28/18 16:47pm]

Reply #147 posted 06/28/18 6:38pm

Farfunknugin

I hope Sony gets it. The only way their getting my $ is if their remastered w/ unreleased/live tracks from same era otherwise bubkas..

Reply #148 posted 06/28/18 7:05pm

bboy87

I'm reading this thread....where does it say that Sony isn't going to release the albums physically as some members stated/speculated?

[Edited 6/28/18 19:06pm]

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already.

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi.

.Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore..The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone..I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already.

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi.

.Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore..The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone..I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Reply #153 posted 06/28/18 11:28pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:

I guess you missed the part where I explained that I don't want (or need) it enough to order it and pay shipping charges, only to find out when I get it if it really is tracked.

Every copy for 15 years has been tracked? Cool. I haven't seen many copies of that album in a store in the last 15 years and the ones I did see did not state on the cover that they were tracked. And again, since I made my own, I don't want or need a tracked copy bad enough to buy one and wait till I get home to find out if it's tracked or not.

When I see it, in a store, for retail or less, AND, I know for sure it is tracked, I will buy it. Until then, I have the original CD, I have my tracked CDR and I don't even play those... I play my digital rip.

You are a very complicated Man living in à strange World. Every Lovesexy cd is now tracked, no need to mention it on the cover.

"Complicated"...

Seems pretty simple to me.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #154 posted 06/28/18 11:48pm

bboy87

RODSERLING said:

bboy87 said:

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi. . Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore. . The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone. . I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Is that what's been said or what you're speculating?

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Reply #155 posted 06/28/18 11:50pm

Strive

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market.

These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time.

If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200.[Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow

Reply #156 posted 06/29/18 12:15am

love2thenines2003

From contact at Sony

No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #158 posted 06/29/18 12:37am

feeluupp

udo said:

feeluupp said:

That's cause you live in Europe...

.

Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?

We live on a globalised planet.

For music we have imports going around the globe.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

Naw, don't just pick one sentence in my post to point something out and neglect the rest. Re read the post...

Has nothing to do with what you just wrote.

Rod didn't know Lovesexy wasn't tracked on CD just because he lives in Europe and it was released as a tracked CD there... I simply stated Lovesexy wasn't originally released as a tracked CD in the U.S. back in '88 as Prince originally intended it to be.

Reply #159 posted 06/29/18 12:38am

feeluupp

Strive said:

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market. These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time. If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200. [Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

Reply #160 posted 06/29/18 12:42am

feeluupp

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Your "contact" at Sony... Right...

Reply #161 posted 06/29/18 12:55am

LRC69

feeluupp said:

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Your "contact" at Sony... Right...

It's true...

This information comes from the boss of Sony Legacy Recordings France; no physical outputs for a year or more, only digital for now.

Reply #162 posted 06/29/18 12:55am

love2thenines2003

feeluupp said:

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Your "contact" at Sony... Right...

Not mine...u READ wrong...i did not write MY CONTACT... other persons in the know will confirm this details I guess soon HERE!

Reply #163 posted 06/29/18 5:21am

TrevorAyer

Don’t forget pr deluxe sounded like shit ... not only the brickwalled remaster, the outtakes were sourced from cassette with a serious botch on our destiny and painful eq overall, unfinished versions and burried in a 4 disk set with lazy packaging.

Sourced from the vault in pristine quality with final instead of early mixes with a decent eq and packaging ... disk 2 could have been a must have release ... the hype was more about the awful remaster than the outtakes ... everybody already bought purple rain again when he died ... just too many all around bad decisions .. but that is consistent with todays music industry level of intelligence and taste

Reply #164 posted 06/29/18 6:23am

IstenSzek

in other words:

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #165 posted 06/29/18 6:24am

databank

jjam said:

databank said:

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).

Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.

Another forum member Mintchip has mentioned the following in the Associated Artists forum re the recent usage of Vanity 6's "Nasty Girl" on TV - Interesting credit on Rupaul's Drag Race: "Courtesy of the Prince Estate".

That's odd. I have no explaination for this.

I know from the copyright notices of their albums on streaming sites that the rights for The Time and Sheila E. haven't reverted to Prince in 2014.

The 6's I cannot tell for sure as they're not on streaming services. It's possible that Prince somehow managed to get the masters back for those. I just assumed he hadn't.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

Yeah, I've bought MANY European imports. They've ALWAYS been expensive... And as I keep explaining, I don't "really need" a tracked Lovesexy, BUT, if I see one CHEAP, at a STORE, and KNOW FOR SURE IT IS TRACKED, then, and only then, will I feel compelled to buy it.

Sheeeesh. I guess it is "complicated".

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #167 posted 06/29/18 8:54am

timmie

I just want to know the specific 35 titles - count is just slightly off no matter how you try it.

At a minimum it'll all be out there streaming for sure - kept alive and available - that's a good thing !

Reply #168 posted 06/29/18 12:20pm

mmart2008

Well done the estate, get as much money as you can because, who is going to buy any of this stuff? I have pretty much everything he released so won't be buying any of it again. A lot of his latter stuff I bought more out of hope, than anything else. Most of the time I played it once or twice and then put it back in the box. Prince Live, was usually better than on record in the end.

Reply #169 posted 06/29/18 12:34pm

ChocolateBox3121

mmart2008 said:

Well done the estate, get as much money as you can because, who is going to buy any of this stuff? I have pretty much everything he released so won't be buying any of it again. A lot of his latter stuff I bought more out of hope, than anything else. Most of the time I played it once or twice and then put it back in the box. Prince Live, was usually better than on record in the end.

This deal is not all about U. It's about who hasn't heard Prince's later post WBR material and gaining newer fans in a new generation for years to come.

but will they have bonus b-sides and remixes? a remastered lovesexy with 12" b-sides would be great

Reply #171 posted 06/29/18 1:07pm

jjhunsecker

bboy87 said:

I'm reading this thread....where does it say that Sony isn't going to release the albums physically as some members stated/speculated?

[Edited 6/28/18 19:06pm]

They didn't exactly SAY it... but there is history: about 4 years ago, Sony got the rights to most of Van Morrison's huge catalog. Except for a 2 CD hits set, and a classic live album expanded, none of the other albums received a CD release... but they all turned up on Spotify (and probably other services as well)

Reply #172 posted 06/29/18 2:20pm

djThunderfunk

So, to sum it up, at least for the time being, Sony will NOT be distributing 35 previously released albums.... they'll simply be licensing various streaming outlets to carry them?

Why the hell would the estate need Sony to do that for them? If there are not actually CDs and LPs being produced and distributed then what does Sony have to offer in this deal?

If the companies in this industry can't figure out how to make money providing the fans with what we want then they deserve their impending irrelevence. Just sayin'...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #173 posted 06/29/18 2:31pm

feeluupp

djThunderfunk said:

So, to sum it up, at least for the time being, Sony will NOT be distributing 35 previously released albums.... they'll simply be licensing various streaming outlets to carry them?

Why the hell would the estate need Sony to do that for them? If there are not actually CDs and LPs being produced and distributed then what does Sony have to offer in this deal?

If the companies in this industry can't figure out how to make money providing the fans with what we want then they deserve their impending irrelevence. Just sayin'...

So confused by this... What about all the albums already on at TIDAL. They said they are starting with TGE first but to do what? It's already up on TIDAL and other streaming platforms...

I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it : I even made a thread about it à few weeks ago. Same opinions in France at the fansite Schkopi. . Because of these people, PRr deluxe wasn t à success, and So the estate and Warner were disappointed to the point of not wanting to release deluxe éditions anymore. . The post 1993 albums were all critical and commercial failures. It would have been great if thèse albums were widely available when Prince did, or shortly After. Now the hype about his death is long gone. . I think the only for them making money is to release lives on Vod from this era, with à perfect image.

Is that what's been said or what you're speculating?

What I m speculating from the sales of the PR deluxe édition, and the lack of réaction from both the estate and Warner[Edited 6/29/18 15:34pm]

Reply #175 posted 06/29/18 3:28pm

RODSERLING

Strive said:

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market.

These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time.

If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200.
[Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]

No, you re wrong. I already quoted my sources some weeks ago. The 1st week of sales, PR deluxe sold about 35.000 copies ( both 2cd +3cd version), and 17.000 copies of the regular album ( cd+ vinyl+ streaming).
.
In 2017 it sold only 81.000 copies in the Us, and something like 50.00 more worldwide.
.
Sgt Peppers 2017 was a tremendous success worldwide, selling more than 300.000 copies in the Us alone in 2017, despite the lack of unreleased tracks and that it was priced higher than PR deluxe.[Edited 6/29/18 15:47pm]

Reply #176 posted 06/29/18 3:29pm

RODSERLING

love2thenines2003 said:

From contact at Sony

No album in physical format at this stage , only Digital in the weeks 2 come....physical releases for few albums only not before at least 1 year from here...unreleased stuff not in WB catalogue is out of the deal at this stage, after 2021...all the unreleased stuff from the WBR era can't be released by Sony without WB agreement!

Another proof that I was right. Highly predictable. They won t release deluxe éditions, as I told you all, this Can t be an option.

Reply #177 posted 06/29/18 3:32pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

udo said:

feeluupp said:

That's cause you live in Europe...

.

Did somebody live under a rock for a few decades?

We live on a globalised planet.

For music we have imports going around the globe.

If you really needed a tracked Lovesexy CD you could have gotten one as easily as Europeans can get stuff from the USA.

Nowadays things could be different due to the recent tarriffs.

Naw, don't just pick one sentence in my post to point something out and neglect the rest. Re read the post...

Has nothing to do with what you just wrote.

Rod didn't know Lovesexy wasn't tracked on CD just because he lives in Europe and it was released as a tracked CD there... I simply stated Lovesexy wasn't originally released as a tracked CD in the U.S. back in '88 as Prince originally inytended it to be.

My first copie of Lovesexy, bought in France, wasn t tracked. Second time I bought it, it was tracked.

Reply #178 posted 06/29/18 3:34pm

RODSERLING

TrevorAyer said:

Don’t forget pr deluxe sounded like shit ... not only the brickwalled remaster, the outtakes were sourced from cassette with a serious botch on our destiny and painful eq overall, unfinished versions and burried in a 4 disk set with lazy packaging.

Sourced from the vault in pristine quality with final instead of early mixes with a decent eq and packaging ... disk 2 could have been a must have release ... the hype was more about the awful remaster than the outtakes ... everybody already bought purple rain again when he died ... just too many all around bad decisions .. but that is consistent with todays music industry level of intelligence and taste

That s bullshit. The unreleased tracks on PR deluxe sounds great, this is the best offer you Can find on the market.

Reply #179 posted 06/29/18 3:46pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

Strive said:

Will people stop saying that Purple Rain Deluxe didn't sell well? It sold nearly 50k copies in the US the first week and over 100k total. That's really good for a reissue in today's market. These won't sell as many as that but there is a market for his work and most of this has been out of print for a long, long time. If you're expecting any posthumous Prince release to sell a million+ the first week out, you're outta your mind. Nobody's doing those type of numbers. The recent reissue of Sgt. Pepper sold 75k its first week and that was enough to get it to #3 on Billboard 200. [Edited 6/29/18 0:22am]

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it.
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I could have never predicted his death two years After. Him alive, he would have never allowed his music on Spotify.
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Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new.
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This is not going to change, since neither Sony nor Warner wants to release à studio album with new material.
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So my prédiction is still correct, and Will stay that Way à long, long time I m afraid.
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By the Way, what do you think that I was the first here to deduce the Sony deal was about dematerialised-only music? When everybody was talking about physical re-release, expanded éditions and unreleased tracks?[Edited 6/29/18 15:51pm]

Reply #180 posted 06/29/18 3:56pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it. . I could have never predicted his death two years After. Him alive, he would have never allowed his music on Spotify. . Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new. . This is not going to change, since neither Sony nor Warner wants to release à studio album with new material. . So my prédiction is still correct, and Will stay that Way à long, long time I m afraid. . By the Way, what do you think that I was the first here to deduce the Sony deal was about dematerialised-only music? When everybody was talking about physical re-release, expanded éditions and unreleased tracks? [Edited 6/29/18 15:51pm]

PLECTRUM ELECTRUM, AOA, HITnRUN PHASE 1,2 all charted before his death ROD... We already went over this discussion in that imfamous thread of yours.

Reply #181 posted 06/29/18 4:16pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it. . I could have never predicted his death two years After. Him alive, he would have never allowed his music on Spotify. . Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new. . This is not going to change, since neither Sony nor Warner wants to release à studio album with new material. . So my prédiction is still correct, and Will stay that Way à long, long time I m afraid. . By the Way, what do you think that I was the first here to deduce the Sony deal was about dematerialised-only music? When everybody was talking about physical re-release, expanded éditions and unreleased tracks? [Edited 6/29/18 15:51pm]

PLECTRUM ELECTRUM, AOA, HITnRUN PHASE 1,2 all charted before his death ROD... We already went over this discussion in that imfamous thread of yours.

.[Edited 6/29/18 16:22pm]

Reply #182 posted 06/29/18 4:16pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it. . I could have never predicted his death two years After. Him alive, he would have never allowed his music on Spotify. . Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new. . This is not going to change, since neither Sony nor Warner wants to release à studio album with new material. . So my prédiction is still correct, and Will stay that Way à long, long time I m afraid. . By the Way, what do you think that I was the first here to deduce the Sony deal was about dematerialised-only music? When everybody was talking about physical re-release, expanded éditions and unreleased tracks? [Edited 6/29/18 15:51pm]

PLECTRUM ELECTRUM, AOA, HITnRUN PHASE 1,2 all charted before his death ROD... We already went over this discussion in that imfamous thread of yours.

AOA and PLEC charted before I made this statement...You really out of your mind.
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Hnr2 charted After his death.
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You re right for Hnr1 though : it charted at #48...What à great achievement. How could I ever forgot this ? It just shows you how great his potentiel sales for a new studio album are.
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So I should have told Prince would never crack the top 40 again. Not very glorious too.
[Edited 6/29/18 16:18pm][Edited 6/29/18 16:23pm]

Reply #183 posted 06/29/18 4:45pm

Marrk

Good new for some I suppose. I'm unsure that some albums that weren't exactly massive sellers on original release will sell well second time around. They need to box set some of these with extras. Repackage some too. I hate that fat bastard jewel case on Emancipation, Crystal Ball too for that matter. I might double-dip on some if there's a reason to, otherwise I'm good.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.

Reply #184 posted 06/29/18 4:56pm

Marrk

djThunderfunk said:

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

Maybe he just wanted that in Europe. My CD was always tracked. Our record stores were also not frightened by a naked black man on the cover either. No hiding it, but i digress.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.

Reply #185 posted 06/29/18 5:02pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

bboy87 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already.

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

NOPE!

"Those that KNEW the number and didn't call...FUCK ALL Y'ALL!"

Reply #186 posted 06/29/18 6:29pm

Strive

Trolls are out in full force it seems.

While we're rewriting history, can we say Prince played to a string of near empty theaters during P&M? Or that the SNL he played in support of AoA/PE was the lowest rated episode in the history of television and Lorne Michaels saved the show from cancellation by pledging to NBC that Prince was banned from ever making another apperance. :lol:

Both are about as realistic as Purple Rain Deluxe tanking or Prince never making the Billboard 200 (AoA/PE/HNR1/HNR2 all charted and PRD caused it to rechart #5)

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow

Reply #187 posted 06/29/18 6:39pm

databank

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Only ROD will point that out, as usual...

Do you all remember his thread back in 2014, go search it under his user profile. He wrote that no new Prince album will ever make the Billboard 200 again... Yet every single released album so far did...

By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album.

Trolls are out in full force it seems. While we're rewriting history, can we say Prince played to a string of near empty theaters during P&M? Or that the SNL he played in support of AoA/PE was the lowest rated episode in the history of television and Lorne Michaels saved the show from cancellation by pledging to NBC that Prince was banned from ever making another apperance. Both are about as realistic as Purple Rain Deluxe tanking or Prince never making the Billboard 200 (AoA/PE/HNR1/HNR2 all charted and PRD caused it to rechart #5)

Don't waiste your time Data... As I tried to tell u in another thread... ROD is in his own world and every single post is how Prince wont sell anymore...

Sometimes correcting a fake news isn't so much for the person posting it than for the other people reading it. When I argue with a flat earth believer, a creationist or an anti-vaccine, I know I will never convince them. But I may convince the other people reading our conversation.

Exactly! I'll be damned if I'm buying music again, that I bought a few times over already.

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

Yes, exactly this. From the point of view of the Estate, this is not as much about making money, as it is about love for his music and legacy. Making everything available to streaming services, and via other online resources (website, YouTube channel), and making it available under one roof, to me, is a necessary step to make sure his music lives on.

Now, of course, Sony hopes to cash in on the deal, with as minimal effort as possible. I'm sure hardcore fans will start buying again, and new fans will follow, if only for singles and newly discovered rarities.

As a completist, and fan of his life and legacy, I am happy with this deal.

Reply #193 posted 06/30/18 12:58am

HatrinaHaterwitz

stesa said:

bboy87 said:

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

Yes, exactly this. From the point of view of the Estate, this is not as much about making money, as it is about love for his music and legacy. Making everything available to streaming services, and via other online resources (website, YouTube channel), and making it available under one roof, to me, is a necessary step to make sure his music lives on.

Now, of course, Sony hopes to cash in on the deal, with as minimal effort as possible. I'm sure hardcore fans will start buying again, and new fans will follow, if only for singles and newly discovered rarities.

As a completist, and fan of his life and legacy, I am happy with this deal.

"Those that KNEW the number and didn't call...FUCK ALL Y'ALL!"

Reply #194 posted 06/30/18 4:27am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

ROD remember the post where you said PR DELUXE wont sell 60,000... Yet the first weeks sales in the U.S. alone already surpassed your estimate...

No, the first week of sales was about 35.000 of the deluxe 2cd+3 cd version.You really don t know what you re talking about. You have a selected memory : I postes the source from HDD and Billboard à few weeks ago. The others sales was the regular album, feeluup...I already explained you ten Times..You are in à processus of overestimating salesxand denyibg soundscan and HDD sales..That is you Who lives in your strange World : you claimed that Batman sold 11 millions worldwide..When I Saïd that Prince Will never chart à new studio album again in the top 200, alive of course, I was only wrong for Hnr1, which chartes at an unglorious #70 during his lifetime..Do you really think this is something to brag about? Lol.You were even saying last year that Wb was going to release more reissues, while I was trying to make you understand this was impossible considering the low sales..While everybody didn t understand the Sony music announcement, I was the first here to clarify there won t be any physical release, no deluxe reissues, only streaming services. Pure Logic based on sales..Say what you Will my analyses is much more relevant than yours, considering you don t accepté actual sales. .

Reply #195 posted 06/30/18 4:32am

RODSERLING

databank said:

feeluupp said:

databank said:

In fact, he did: http://princevault.com/index.php?title=The_Billboard_200

AOA #5, Plec #8, HnR1 #70

Don't waiste your time Data... As I tried to tell u in another thread... ROD is in his own world and every single post is how Prince wont sell anymore...

Sometimes correcting a fake news isn't so much for the person posting it than for the other people reading it. When I argue with a flat earth believer, a creationist or an anti-vaccine, I know I will never convince them. But I may convince the other people reading our conversation.

What fake news are you talking about? Feeluup is telling complète BS about me and I already proved it.
I made this bold statement about BB 200 well After the release of Aoa and Plec.[Edited 6/30/18 4:36am]

Reply #196 posted 06/30/18 5:01am

eyewishuheaven

...that moment when you realize that yet another 'org thread is no longer worth your time...

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!

Reply #197 posted 06/30/18 5:37am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

ROD remember the post where you said PR DELUXE wont sell 60,000... Yet the first weeks sales in the U.S. alone already surpassed your estimate...

No, the first week of sales was about 35.000 of the deluxe 2cd+3 cd version. You really don t know what you re talking about. You have a selected memory : I postes the source from HDD and Billboard à few weeks ago. The others sales was the regular album, feeluup...I already explained you ten Times..You are in à processus of overestimating salesxand denyibg soundscan and HDD sales. . That is you Who lives in your strange World : you claimed that Batman sold 11 millions worldwide. . When I Saïd that Prince Will never chart à new studio album again in the top 200, alive of course, I was only wrong for Hnr1, which chartes at an unglorious #70 during his lifetime. . Do you really think this is something to brag about? Lol . You were even saying last year that Wb was going to release more reissues, while I was trying to make you understand this was impossible considering the low sales. . While everybody didn t understand the Sony music announcement, I was the first here to clarify there won t be any physical release, no deluxe reissues, only streaming services. Pure Logic based on sales. . Say what you Will my analyses is much more relevant than yours, considering you don t accepté actual sales. .

I state that I don't believe Batman ever sold 11 million and was asking why the Prince estate stated that it sold that high when it didn't.

3. The world is round Rod, not flat.

Reply #198 posted 06/30/18 5:39am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Sometimes correcting a fake news isn't so much for the person posting it than for the other people reading it. When I argue with a flat earth believer, a creationist or an anti-vaccine, I know I will never convince them. But I may convince the other people reading our conversation.

What fake news are you talking about? Feeluup is telling complète BS about me and I already proved it. I made this bold statement about BB 200 well After the release of Aoa and Plec. [Edited 6/30/18 4:36am]

Rod everything you just said about me, I just responded to and you were WRONG about everything.

I respond with facts, you just post conjecture.

Reply #199 posted 06/30/18 5:40am

feeluupp

Oh and one last thing ROD... Why is EVERY SINGLE POST ON PRINCE.ORG FROM YOU THE SAME, ABOUT HOW PRINCE'S SALES ARE LOW AND THEY WON'T RELEASE ANY OF HIS OLD ALBUMS ANYMORE BECAUSE PRINCE NEVER SELLS ANYMORE.

Reply #200 posted 06/30/18 5:50am

feeluupp

Just to prove my point about ROD, here are some of his recent posts just this week always saying Prince doesn't sell well:

1. "1. What become of the greatest Hits albums? Are they part of the deal? Or were they simply forgotten? They are the only Prince albums that are selling, with Purple Rain of course."

2. "But they won t reissue his albums at all! An album such as Lovesexy sells maybe 5000 ex a year in the USa...what would be the point?"

3. "I highly doubt it. Look at the sales of Purple deluxe : very low. And it contains not only the b sides, but 75 minutes of unreleased music. Many orgers didn t buy and Will never buy it"

4. "What I m speculating from the sales of the PR deluxe édition, and the lack of réaction from both the estate and Warner"

5. "By the Way I was right. In his lifetime, Prince never reached the Billboard 200 again with à new album. That was the deal and you know it. Since his death, Prince only ranked in the charts his already released albums and greatest Hits. Nothing new."

6. "Hnr1 though : it charted at #48...What à great achievement. How could I ever forgot this ? It just shows you how great his potentiel sales for a new studio album are. So I should have told Prince would never crack the top 40 again. Not very glorious too."

I could go on an on about ROD and how he only posts about how Prince doesn't sell well....

[Edited 6/30/18 5:51am]

Reply #201 posted 06/30/18 6:02am

feeluupp

ROD you always predict and make up facts and then in the end everything you say is 100% wrong. Here is your post and your prediction about PR DELUXE SALES:

Don't care if his albums only sell 100 copies as long as I have one. We keep being told there will be no more releases because of terrible sales and yet they keep coming.

Reply #203 posted 06/30/18 6:24am

feeluupp

jaawwnn said:

Don't care if his albums only sell 100 copies as long as I have one. We keep being told there will be no more releases because of terrible sales and yet they keep coming.

Exactly.

ROD IS A TROLL... 4 YEARS OF POSTING THE SAME SAD STORY.

Reply #204 posted 06/30/18 12:13pm

luvsexy4all

feeluupp said:

jaawwnn said:

Don't care if his albums only sell 100 copies as long as I have one. We keep being told there will be no more releases because of terrible sales and yet they keep coming.

Exactly.

ROD IS A TROLL... 4 YEARS OF POSTING THE SAME SAD STORY.

what is he trying to prove...????? prince was not important anymore???

Reply #205 posted 06/30/18 12:14pm

luvsexy4all

will musicology have the b sides as bonus tracks?

Reply #206 posted 06/30/18 12:39pm

feeluupp

luvsexy4all said:

feeluupp said:

Exactly.

ROD IS A TROLL... 4 YEARS OF POSTING THE SAME SAD STORY.

what is he trying to prove...????? prince was not important anymore???

He has a weird obsession with Prince not selling... It's literally every single post he will bring up how Prince doesn't sell and how no new releases will be released in the future, even though time after time after time after time after time again, Rod just posts nonsense..

Reply #207 posted 06/30/18 3:38pm

bboy87

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

bboy87 said:

1. Making the albums more available

2. New fans

3. You know you gon' buy 'em again

NOPE!

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Reply #208 posted 07/01/18 12:54pm

jungleluv

I love Prince's music but I love the associated artists even more. WHEN is their music gonna b released? The fans r left wanting more!

Reply #209 posted 07/01/18 1:13pm

206Michelle

This is fabulous news! Hopefully, it means that these 35 previously released albums will soon be available on streaming services and in CD and vinyl formats.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above

Reply #210 posted 07/01/18 2:40pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

ROD remember the post where you said PR DELUXE wont sell 60,000... Yet the first weeks sales in the U.S. alone already surpassed your estimate...

No, the first week of sales was about 35.000 of the deluxe 2cd+3 cd version. You really don t know what you re talking about. You have a selected memory : I postes the source from HDD and Billboard à few weeks ago. The others sales was the regular album, feeluup...I already explained you ten Times..You are in à processus of overestimating salesxand denyibg soundscan and HDD sales. . That is you Who lives in your strange World : you claimed that Batman sold 11 millions worldwide. . When I Saïd that Prince Will never chart à new studio album again in the top 200, alive of course, I was only wrong for Hnr1, which chartes at an unglorious #70 during his lifetime. . Do you really think this is something to brag about? Lol . You were even saying last year that Wb was going to release more reissues, while I was trying to make you understand this was impossible considering the low sales. . While everybody didn t understand the Sony music announcement, I was the first here to clarify there won t be any physical release, no deluxe reissues, only streaming services. Pure Logic based on sales. . Say what you Will my analyses is much more relevant than yours, considering you don t accepté actual sales. .

2. I never claimed Batman sold 11 million, in fact if you look at my thread here: http://prince.org/msg/7/455114

I state that I don't believe Batman ever sold 11 million and was asking why the Prince estate stated that it sold that high when it didn't.

3. The world is round Rod, not flat.

No, the deluxe édition sold about 35.000 copies the first week according to HDD, Billboard and Nielsen Soundscan. I already posted the sources. You read it.. Already forgotten? (You never understood anything in the charts, especially official reports from Nielsen and Billboard.I remember you claimed Prince sold 5 millions s albums in the USa following his death! ).The others 17.000 copies were the regular éditions + streaming. .I m not dissing Prince at all. In fact, you are too stupid to réalize that I am at 100 percent behind release s such as PR deluxe and Piano...1983. Contrary to most orgers.Too stupid that you confound criticism with realism..I predicted the reissue would sold 60.000 copies worldwide the 1 St week? Well, that s really about what it sold. The rest was streaming and the regular édition, especially on vinyl. .I predicted P. Would never make top 200 again with à new studio album?Well, excuse me, he made it at #70.How great it is. .I predicted there won t be other reissues? I was right..I predicted there won t be physical reissues of his original albums post 1995 ? I was right. Or maybe you re too naïve to believe they Will really release it at the end of 2019.

Reply #211 posted 07/01/18 2:51pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

feeluupp said:

jaawwnn said:

Don't care if his albums only sell 100 copies as long as I have one. We keep being told there will be no more releases because of terrible sales and yet they keep coming.

Exactly.

ROD IS A TROLL... 4 YEARS OF POSTING THE SAME SAD STORY.

what is he trying to prove...????? prince was not important anymore???

No, I don t try to prove anything. I just analize the news, from a more realistic perspective than most people here. Only based on actual sales and patterns.
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Just to show : there are still some orgers that just went to post and really believe there would be physical reissues, with unreleased tracks...and on vinyl(!)
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That is just impossible. Thèse albums were non existing since their initial release and were rapidly out of the public eyes. Fans already have them.
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This deal is just about streaming music, and that is already good. Songs like Musicology, Call My Name and TMBGITW could get millions of streaming.
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If somehow they succeed in releasing in VOD some of his tours, it could be a huge success.
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I also think à new greatest Hits covering the post 1993 era could be useful to show to à larger audience that Prince had à carreer After that year
[Edited 7/1/18 14:53pm][Edited 7/1/18 14:54pm]

I state that I don't believe Batman ever sold 11 million and was asking why the Prince estate stated that it sold that high when it didn't.

3. The world is round Rod, not flat.

No, the deluxe édition sold about 35.000 copies the first week according to HDD, Billboard and Nielsen Soundscan. I already posted the sources. You read it. . Already forgotten? (You never understood anything in the charts, especially official reports from Nielsen and Billboard.I remember you claimed Prince sold 5 millions s albums in the USa following his death! ) . The others 17.000 copies were the regular éditions + streaming. . I m not dissing Prince at all. In fact, you are too stupid to réalize that I am at 100 percent behind release s such as PR deluxe and Piano...1983. Contrary to most orgers. Too stupid that you confound criticism with realism. . I predicted the reissue would sold 60.000 copies worldwide the 1 St week? Well, that s really about what it sold. The rest was streaming and the regular édition, especially on vinyl. . I predicted P. Would never make top 200 again with à new studio album?Well, excuse me, he made it at #70.How great it is. . I predicted there won t be other reissues? I was right. . I predicted there won t be physical reissues of his original albums post 1995 ? I was right. Or maybe you re too naïve to believe they Will really release it at the end of 2019.

Your like TRUMP, you have actual facts given to you, but then you manipulate them just because you don't want to be proven wrong..

2. I never claimed Batman sold 11 million, in fact if you look at my thread here: http://prince.org/msg/7/455114

I state that I don't believe Batman ever sold 11 million and was asking why the Prince estate stated that it sold that high when it didn't.

3. The world is round Rod, not flat.

No, the deluxe édition sold about 35.000 copies the first week according to HDD, Billboard and Nielsen Soundscan. I already posted the sources. You read it. . Already forgotten? (You never understood anything in the charts, especially official reports from Nielsen and Billboard.I remember you claimed Prince sold 5 millions s albums in the USa following his death! ) . The others 17.000 copies were the regular éditions + streaming. . I m not dissing Prince at all. In fact, you are too stupid to réalize that I am at 100 percent behind release s such as PR deluxe and Piano...1983. Contrary to most orgers. Too stupid that you confound criticism with realism. . I predicted the reissue would sold 60.000 copies worldwide the 1 St week? Well, that s really about what it sold. The rest was streaming and the regular édition, especially on vinyl. . I predicted P. Would never make top 200 again with à new studio album?Well, excuse me, he made it at #70.How great it is. . I predicted there won t be other reissues? I was right. . I predicted there won t be physical reissues of his original albums post 1995 ? I was right. Or maybe you re too naïve to believe they Will really release it at the end of 2019.

Your like TRUMP, you have actual facts given to you, but then you manipulate them just because you don't want to be provern wrong..

Oh my god...the Guy Who claimed Prince sold 5 millions albums the weeks following his death in the Us....I don t know if Hits Daily Double is Trump related, but in their June 27, 2017 edition, the Purple Rain expanded edition is at #5 with 33/37k copies sold. .Maybe Billboard and Nielsen are Trump related, but in their 7/2/17 top 200 charts, every éditions of PR combined sold 48.182 copies. It is also said it sold 4.000 in streaming, hence the 52.000 figure..You probably weren t aware of it, but Purple Rain wasn't out of print in 2017, and the cd+ vinyle sold 11/15k copies the 1st week of PR deluxe release..I already explained you that 12 Times, maybe more..So I Guess you Will keep on telling the same lies next time. And you won t give à shit about actual numbers, from official sources and published accounts.

Reply #214 posted 07/01/18 6:11pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Your like TRUMP, you have actual facts given to you, but then you manipulate them just because you don't want to be provern wrong..

Oh my god...the Guy Who claimed Prince sold 5 millions albums the weeks following his death in the Us... . I don t know if Hits Daily Double is Trump related, but in their June 27, 2017 edition, the Purple Rain expanded edition is at #5 with 33/37k copies sold. . Maybe Billboard and Nielsen are Trump related, but in their 7/2/17 top 200 charts, every éditions of PR combined sold 48.182 copies. It is also said it sold 4.000 in streaming, hence the 52.000 figure. . You probably weren t aware of it, but Purple Rain wasn't out of print in 2017, and the cd+ vinyle sold 11/15k copies the 1st week of PR deluxe release. . I already explained you that 12 Times, maybe more. . So I Guess you Will keep on telling the same lies next time. And you won t give à shit about actual numbers, from official sources and published accounts.

Roddy boy, I don't CLAIM anything, you are the one with all the claims and everytime you estimate or claim something it is dead wrong.

You claimed Prince wouldn't land in the Billboard charts anymore, he did!

You claimed there will be no more new phsyical releases from him released, there was and there is more on the way.

You claim I claim but when I pull up your old posts and threads you just look the other way and can't answer to your faults.

And what the hell is your obsession with Prince not selling anymore? That's the only time you ever pop up on the Org and post... Hell you even brought up the sales in a Jackson 5 thread here on the org, they were discussing the album and the song, what the hell does sales have to do with it??

[Edited 7/1/18 18:24pm]

Reply #215 posted 07/01/18 6:21pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Your like TRUMP, you have actual facts given to you, but then you manipulate them just because you don't want to be provern wrong..

Oh my god...the Guy Who claimed Prince sold 5 millions albums the weeks following his death in the Us... . I don t know if Hits Daily Double is Trump related, but in their June 27, 2017 edition, the Purple Rain expanded edition is at #5 with 33/37k copies sold. . Maybe Billboard and Nielsen are Trump related, but in their 7/2/17 top 200 charts, every éditions of PR combined sold 48.182 copies. It is also said it sold 4.000 in streaming, hence the 52.000 figure. . You probably weren t aware of it, but Purple Rain wasn't out of print in 2017, and the cd+ vinyle sold 11/15k copies the 1st week of PR deluxe release. . I already explained you that 12 Times, maybe more. . So I Guess you Will keep on telling the same lies next time. And you won t give à shit about actual numbers, from official sources and published accounts.

No I never CLAIMED anything.

I simply posted the article from BILLBOARD:

In the year after Prince's death on April 21, 2016, the Purple One's catalog of albums and songs have sold a combined 7.7 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen Music, through the week ending April 13. Of that sum, 2.3 million were in traditional album sales, and 5.4 million were from digital song downloads.

The bulk of his album and songs sales occurred in the month after his death: 5.65 million were registered between April 21 and May 19, 2016.

But then again, if you want to talk about CLAIMS I can bring up plenty more of your old posts and compile it into a thread to show how many false claims you have made and we can make a nice big list. Shall we?

Reply #216 posted 07/01/18 6:37pm

mbdtyler

Can't you two work this out via PMs or something?

Reply #217 posted 07/01/18 7:29pm

IstenSzek

this thread has turned into a feedback loop

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #218 posted 07/01/18 7:36pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

mbdtyler said:

Can't you two work this out via PMs or something?

Yeah seriously feeluupp and RODSERLING....... let's not derail this thread. Stay on topic. Take your beefs and whinings privately to orgnotes, thanks

In the end I hope you two can resolve your differences and then kiss and make up

Edmonton, AB -

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben

Reply #219 posted 07/01/18 10:45pm

Vannormal

[ snip - luv4u]

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."

Reply #220 posted 07/01/18 11:10pm

Vannormal

Vannormal said:

[ snip - luv4u]

where's your sense of humor ?

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."

Reply #221 posted 07/02/18 6:04am

udo

[Wrong forum for political discussion snip - luv4u]

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To get back on topic:

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I see no real change coming, now that Sony got this deal, until someone with some mandate spells it out for us.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #222 posted 07/02/18 9:35am

skywalker

Any talk about sales is irrelevant. These are the legacy releases. Plenty of artists that are way more niche, way less famous, and way less impactful the prince have really well curated re-releases. Something like this is way way way way past due for prince. I said it before, he actually cared less about this kind of thing Than fans do. We are lucky to be getting these rereleases.

"New Power slide...."

Reply #223 posted 07/02/18 3:05pm

RODSERLING

skywalker said:

Any talk about sales is irrelevant. These are the legacy releases. Plenty of artists that are way more niche, way less famous, and way less impactful the prince have really well curated re-releases. Something like this is way way way way past due for prince. I said it before, he actually cared less about this kind of thing Than fans do. We are lucky to be getting these rereleases.

You are lucky to have re releases that don t exist. Did you read the topic? No re releases. Only digital music already released.
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If WB thought of Prince as à niche market, they would have fought to re release 1999 deluxe, SOTT deluxe, etc.
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Instead they prefer to expériment another alternative in the hope to make some profit, and this is really clever from them (Piano and microphone).
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Prince is no Sly Stone. It Will never be exploitéd commercially as à niche artist. Thèse are not the same kind of contracts : WB obviously paid à lot of money for their récent releases. They have to make their money back. They worked on PR deluxe for about 3 years, knowing this was in talks since at least 2004...The estate and WB tried this Way of deluxe release, but obviously they think this is not the best option.
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If Sony REALLY succeed in putting all the post 1995 material in Spotify at the same time in the following weeks, they Can make some huge streaming numbers, maybe à new record.
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Correct me if I m wrong, but there are more Prince material released After 1995 than before. This is a situation almost unprecedented, because there are not many artists with So many songs available.
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This could make great publicity and exposition for Prince, even for relaunching the WB catalogue.
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Of course, this should have been done 2 years ago... TMBGITW was the 3rd most played song on the radio After Prince death, but was impossible to buy, to stream, to own...
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Since its release on YouTube lately, the music vidéo has two Times more views (2.2 millions)than SOTT.
Call My Name (1.6 millions) two Times more than Take me With You.
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Musicology has only 500.000 views, but it was available on YT for years and passed the 5 millions mark. Etc.
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If the same pattern follows on Spotify or I tunes, thèse are really great news.
[Edited 7/2/18 15:05pm][Edited 7/2/18 15:06pm]

Reply #224 posted 07/04/18 7:16am

willie

since best but is stopping cd sales,where am i gonna buy physical copies of the prince re-releases?

Reply #225 posted 07/04/18 7:17am

willie

best buy and other retailers

Reply #226 posted 07/04/18 9:31am

IstenSzek

willie said:

since best but is stopping cd sales,where am i gonna buy physical copies of the prince re-releases?

how about: the internet

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #227 posted 07/04/18 9:49am

djThunderfunk

willie said:

since best but is stopping cd sales,where am i gonna buy physical copies of the prince re-releases?

Wal-Mart, Amazon, pre-order directly...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #228 posted 07/04/18 12:18pm

RODSERLING

willie said:

since best but is stopping cd sales,where am i gonna buy physical copies of the prince re-releases?

There are not physical re releases

Reply #229 posted 07/04/18 1:56pm

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

willie said:

since best but is stopping cd sales,where am i gonna buy physical copies of the prince re-releases?

There are not physical re releases

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #230 posted 07/04/18 1:59pm

feeluupp

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

willie said: There are not physical re releases

... now u can understand my frustration with this troll

Reply #231 posted 07/04/18 3:16pm

IstenSzek

feeluupp said:

... now u can understand my frustration with this troll

i just feel sorry for the poor dead horses

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #232 posted 07/04/18 3:54pm

RODSERLING

Despite your frustration from you all, and despite mine too, because I d really love to see that ( I don t have an official copy of Gold, too young for that) there won t t be physical re releases..So you are the trolls, since you obviously didn t read the original statement.

Reply #233 posted 07/04/18 4:09pm

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

Despite your frustration from you all, and despite mine too, because I d really love to see that ( I don t have an official copy of Gold, too young for that) there won t t be physical re releases. . So you are the trolls, since you obviously didn t read the original statement.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #234 posted 07/04/18 4:44pm

RODSERLING

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

Despite your frustration from you all, and despite mine too, because I d really love to see that ( I don t have an official copy of Gold, too young for that) there won t t be physical re releases. . So you are the trolls, since you obviously didn t read the original statement.

You find that Funny? I was 9. And it was t even released in France.How Funny is that? Mocking somebody for not having à new copy of an album never released in his country, and not available worldwide for more than 20 years...Keep on!

Reply #235 posted 07/04/18 5:19pm

feeluupp

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

Despite your frustration from you all, and despite mine too, because I d really love to see that ( I don t have an official copy of Gold, too young for that) there won t t be physical re releases. . So you are the trolls, since you obviously didn t read the original statement.

Reply #236 posted 07/04/18 5:20pm

feeluupp

Oh the irony... I thought it was ROD who a few days ago that was scolding a member on here of how they didn't have or could get a tracked version of LOVESEXY...

Reply #237 posted 07/04/18 5:44pm

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

IstenSzek said:

You find that Funny? I was 9. And it was t even released in France. How Funny is that? Mocking somebody for not having à new copy of an album never released in his country, and not available worldwide for more than 20 years...Keep on!

i'm sorry, what? i know it's not intentional, but it's just hilarious.

also, no wonder prince sold so poorly, if his albums weren't released in france

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #238 posted 07/04/18 6:48pm

GoldenEPump

I think it's obvious from this thread that y'all are the problem. Not Prince. Not the Estate. The guy isn't here anymore and you're still questioning decisions.

Reply #239 posted 07/04/18 6:55pm

djThunderfunk

feeluupp said:

Oh the irony... I thought it was ROD who a few days ago that was scolding a member on here of how they didn't have or could get a tracked version of LOVESEXY...

Yup! Lovesexy has never been widely available, IN STORES, in the USA in the tracked version. IF the US versions are now tracked, they aren't in stores and I'm not interested in finding out AFTER I order it if the versions at Amazon are tracked or not.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!

Reply #240 posted 07/05/18 3:00pm

luvsexy4all

so ...according to someone on here ..there WONT be CD rereleases??? where is that info from?

Reply #241 posted 07/05/18 3:27pm

Detroit

Awesome. I hope these will be available on vinyl, espcially the Gold Experience.

so ...according to someone on here ..there WONT be CD rereleases??? where is that info from?

don't you have an inside man?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #243 posted 07/06/18 12:08am

embmmusic

luvsexy4all said:

so ...according to someone on here ..there WONT be CD rereleases??? where is that info from?

It's just someone pretending that their speculation is fact and endlessly repeating it

Reply #244 posted 07/06/18 4:41am

LRC69

embmmusic said:

luvsexy4all said:

so ...according to someone on here ..there WONT be CD rereleases??? where is that info from?

It's just someone pretending that their speculation is fact and endlessly repeating it

Once again, this information comes from the CEO of Sony Legacy Recordings France.

Only in digital for now.

He also confirmed that no CD or vinyl release will take place for at least a year, see more.

[Edited 7/6/18 4:42am]

[Edited 7/6/18 4:44am]

Reply #245 posted 07/06/18 5:11am

udo

LRC69 said:

embmmusic said:

It's just someone pretending that their speculation is fact and endlessly repeating it

Once again, this information comes from the CEO of Sony Legacy Recordings France.

Only in digital for now.

He also confirmed that no CD or vinyl release will take place for at least a year, see more.

.

And that is what they call `distribution`?

They are a joke already.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #246 posted 07/06/18 11:51am

RODSERLING

udo said:

LRC69 said:

embmmusic said:

It's just someone pretending that their speculation is fact and endlessly repeating it

Once again, this information comes from the CEO of Sony Legacy Recordings France.

Only in digital for now.

He also confirmed that no CD or vinyl release will take place for at least a year, see more.

.

And that is what they call `distribution`?

They are a joke already.

Is it really So hard to understand?

Reply #247 posted 07/06/18 7:46pm

udo

RODSERLING said:

Is it really So hard to understand?

.

Yes.

I asked for an explanation on why this deal was so great.

Nobody came even close...

And then that sreaming only rumor.

In such case Sony would be a Tidal of some sorts.

So what is the 'distribution' effort?

Did you ever think about that?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #248 posted 07/07/18 12:32am

RODSERLING

udo said:

RODSERLING said:

Is it really So hard to understand?

.

Yes.

I asked for an explanation on why this deal was so great.

Nobody came even close...

And then that sreaming only rumor.

In such case Sony would be a Tidal of some sorts.

So what is the 'distribution' effort?

Did you ever think about that?

Most of the money today is made on digital and streaming music. This deal could be great because it would make available Prince music again, to the masses, via Spotify and I tunes. À bit too late though..There are so much official material from this era, that it could trigger very good numbers and exposition for Prince.More exposition = more fans= more potentiel sales for eventual future releases. .This deal could be huge if Sony succeed in getting lives tour for vidéo on demand. .Now they announced the deal,what are they waiting for to push the button and put the music on streaming and digital platforms?

Reply #249 posted 07/07/18 2:20am

love2thenines2003

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

Reply #250 posted 07/07/18 3:34am

udo

Let's put it this way:

I am not interested in Music as a Service ('MAAS') like streams etc.

I am interested in Music as a Commodity ('MAAC') like pressed CD's, blu-rays, etc.

So if Sony's idea of distribution is the first, then why didn't they stick with Tidal?

I guess in the same case them b00tleggars will fill the void that I see.

Now let's wait for some clarity from Sony.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #251 posted 07/07/18 3:38am

RODSERLING

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

Spéculations based on hard cold facts ( state of the physical market, Prince catalogue sales, WB giving up on a 1999 deluxe, etc.), Official statement ( distribution of music already released) and now some insiders sources telling this an only- digital deal..What is Real spéculations, and you all don t want to admit it, is to still speak about physical re-release, deluxe reissues, etc.w hen it s against all odds..I saw numbers of topics here about "what do you expect on a 1999 or PR deluxe" etc. That were pure spéculative threads based on imaginary things. And it never schocked anyone. You are very sélective...

Reply #252 posted 07/07/18 3:55am

love2thenines2003

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

Spéculations based on hard cold facts ( state of the physical market, Prince catalogue sales, WB giving up on a 1999 deluxe, etc.), Official statement ( distribution of music already released) and now some insiders sources telling this an only- digital deal. . What is Real spéculations, and you all don t want to admit it, is to still speak about physical re-release, deluxe reissues, etc.w hen it s against all odds. . I saw numbers of topics here about "what do you expect on a 1999 or PR deluxe" etc. That were pure spéculative threads based on imaginary things. And it never schocked anyone. You are very sélective...

SPECULATIONS

I have low xpectations 4 the Sony Deal at this stage & surely after , i don't know at all what 2 expect from WB after his release in September but my guess is ...implications by WB will be keep to a minimun........my only xpectation is 4 the future Deal of Vault Material....i would have wish that Universal pick up the Deal but....u know the rest !

we Will C ?

[Edited 7/7/18 3:57am]

[Edited 7/7/18 3:58am]

Reply #253 posted 07/07/18 6:56am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

Spéculations based on hard cold facts ( state of the physical market, Prince catalogue sales, WB giving up on a 1999 deluxe, etc.), Official statement ( distribution of music already released) and now some insiders sources telling this an only- digital deal. . What is Real spéculations, and you all don t want to admit it, is to still speak about physical re-release, deluxe reissues, etc.w hen it s against all odds. . I saw numbers of topics here about "what do you expect on a 1999 or PR deluxe" etc. That were pure spéculative threads based on imaginary things. And it never schocked anyone. You are very sélective...

This guy is deranged

Speculations and facts... Are two different things...

Please don't speculate anymore ROD... You always post nonsense and you are always wrong. When we get more deluxe editions and re releases and new releases this thread will come back to haunt you.

Reply #254 posted 07/07/18 7:10am

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

i'm sorry, but, seriously? coming from you?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #255 posted 07/07/18 8:31am

RODSERLING

udo said:

Let's put it this way:

I am not interested in Music as a Service ('MAAS') like streams etc.

I am interested in Music as a Commodity ('MAAC') like pressed CD's, blu-rays, etc.

So if Sony's idea of distribution is the first, then why didn't they stick with Tidal?

I guess in the same case them b00tleggars will fill the void that I see.

Now let's wait for some clarity from Sony.

Tidal is a more confidential service than Spotify. Spotify has à Real impact on the charts..If (that is the spéculation part) they stream VOD from lives and tours, I am sure you Will be interested..I hâte digital and streaming things too. I would rather prefer physical reissues too. But frankly, considering many orgers, and other fans from others forums didn t buy PR deluxe despite great unreleased content; this is not realistic to hope they would buy again Newpower Soul for a CD of remixes...

Reply #256 posted 07/07/18 8:54am

love2thenines2003

IstenSzek said:

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

i'm sorry, but, seriously? coming from you?

ILOVEu

Reply #257 posted 07/07/18 10:56am

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

IstenSzek said:

i'm sorry, but, seriously? coming from you?

ILOVEu

i love you too don't mind my teasing

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #258 posted 07/07/18 12:43pm

Dandroppedadime

streaming for the masses.

box sets for us

Reply #259 posted 07/07/18 2:59pm

RODSERLING

Dandroppedadime said:[quote]

streaming for the masses.

box sets for us

[/quote

Many here Take Springsteen or Dylan boxsets for évidence that there could be à market for Prince. But thèse artists, when they release an album, they are #1 in the USa, and top Ten in almost every market in the World.And they don t use "tricks" to "cheat" the sales.
Sadly, this is not the case for Prince. It would have been the perfect moment in 2004 for deluxe reissues, beginning with Purple Rain, and then the others albums.
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WB wanted to do that, back in the day,they knew there was a market for it, with the Musicology revival. Too late now.
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Before MJ released Thriller 25, PR and Thriller sold the same amount since 1991 and the beginning of soundscan sales.
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I dont know why everything he released After 1993 was out of print After à few months. But that was à really Bad strategy.[Edited 7/7/18 16:15pm]

Reply #260 posted 07/07/18 4:13pm

RODSERLING

love2thenines2003 said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

facts are the only things that matter.....other things are pure speculations !!

Spéculations based on hard cold facts ( state of the physical market, Prince catalogue sales, WB giving up on a 1999 deluxe, etc.), Official statement ( distribution of music already released) and now some insiders sources telling this an only- digital deal. . What is Real spéculations, and you all don t want to admit it, is to still speak about physical re-release, deluxe reissues, etc.w hen it s against all odds. . I saw numbers of topics here about "what do you expect on a 1999 or PR deluxe" etc. That were pure spéculative threads based on imaginary things. And it never schocked anyone. You are very sélective...

SPECULATIONS

I have low xpectations 4 the Sony Deal at this stage & surely after , i don't know at all what 2 expect from WB after his release in September but my guess is ...implications by WB will be keep to a minimun.....my only xpectation is 4 the future Deal of Vault Material....i would have wish that Universal pick up the Deal but....u know the rest !

we Will C ?

[Edited 7/7/18 3:57am]

[Edited 7/7/18 3:58am]

Remember that WB had the choice between à 1999 deluxe and Piano...1983. .If PR deluxe was such à success (130.000 copies worldwide in 2017) they would have released 1999 deluxe, possibly at the end of 2017 to coïncide with the 35th anniversaire..Instead, they preferred to Take their chances with Piano...1983..That tells à lot of what happened in the wings and with disappointing sales of PR deluxe. .WB obviously wanted to make PR deluxe à huge release with à lot of promotion. Then, somebody from the estate decided the live at the first avenue 1983, remasterised, was too good to be in this deluxe édition and was to be released on VOD for a reported one million dollars. .What happened to that? Nothing..Since it was the best argument for PR deluxe, and that they could have priced higher this édition, they obviously stopped the huge hype this album could have benefited from, especially in the US..They didn t even bother to re certify it at 15*platinum like it should have, and PR reached that mark even before Prince death...This could have been great exposition for the while WB catalogue.

Reply #261 posted 07/08/18 8:11am

kevinpnb

I was surprised recently to hear tracks from One Night Alone Live and Planet Earth on Pandora, and it gave me hope that the streaming rights to the new batch of albums had already taken effect. Not the case with Apple Music, Spotify, etc though. Does Pandora have different rights outside of the new agreement?[Edited 7/8/18 8:11am]

Reply #262 posted 07/08/18 11:53am

luvsexy4all

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

SPECULATIONS

I have low xpectations 4 the Sony Deal at this stage & surely after , i don't know at all what 2 expect from WB after his release in September but my guess is ...implications by WB will be keep to a minimun........my only xpectation is 4 the future Deal of Vault Material....i would have wish that Universal pick up the Deal but....u know the rest !

we Will C ?

[Edited 7/7/18 3:57am]

[Edited 7/7/18 3:58am]

Remember that WB had the choice between à 1999 deluxe and Piano...1983. . If PR deluxe was such à success (130.000 copies worldwide in 2017) they would have released 1999 deluxe, possibly at the end of 2017 to coïncide with the 35th anniversaire. . Instead, they preferred to Take their chances with Piano...1983. . That tells à lot of what happened in the wings and with disappointing sales of PR deluxe. . WB obviously wanted to make PR deluxe à huge release with à lot of promotion. Then, somebody from the estate decided the live at the first avenue 1983, remasterised, was too good to be in this deluxe édition and was to be released on VOD for a reported one million dollars. . What happened to that? Nothing. . Since it was the best argument for PR deluxe, and that they could have priced higher this édition, they obviously stopped the huge hype this album could have benefited from, especially in the US. . They didn t even bother to re certify it at 15*platinum like it should have, and PR reached that mark even before Prince death...This could have been great exposition for the while WB catalogue.

but how could they think it would sell better than 1999 remastered with bonus tracks and a dvd

Reply #263 posted 07/08/18 12:27pm

feeluupp

luvsexy4all said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said: Remember that WB had the choice between à 1999 deluxe and Piano...1983. . If PR deluxe was such à success (130.000 copies worldwide in 2017) they would have released 1999 deluxe, possibly at the end of 2017 to coïncide with the 35th anniversaire. . Instead, they preferred to Take their chances with Piano...1983. . That tells à lot of what happened in the wings and with disappointing sales of PR deluxe. . WB obviously wanted to make PR deluxe à huge release with à lot of promotion. Then, somebody from the estate decided the live at the first avenue 1983, remasterised, was too good to be in this deluxe édition and was to be released on VOD for a reported one million dollars. . What happened to that? Nothing. . Since it was the best argument for PR deluxe, and that they could have priced higher this édition, they obviously stopped the huge hype this album could have benefited from, especially in the US. . They didn t even bother to re certify it at 15*platinum like it should have, and PR reached that mark even before Prince death...This could have been great exposition for the while WB catalogue.

but how could they think it would sell better than 1999 remastered with bonus tracks and a dvd

ROD is speculating once again, don't listen to his nonsense...

There was no OFFICIAL announcement or cancelation of a 1999 Remaster... Just rumours, nothing more. So the fact that ROD concocs a story in his head saying oh becuase PR DELUXE didn't sell well, 1999 Remaster got cancelled, like all his other bullshit about sales, is just silly, he has no credibility on this site, he is a troll who is damn OBSESSED ABOUT SALES, SALES, SALES. NOT ONE POST IF NOT ABOUT SALES... GO THROUGH HIS POSTS...

Anyway the contradiction about RODS's falses presumptions are, he thinks there will be no more deluxe issues due to low sales, yet the estate still releases an obsucre 1983 PIANO REHEARSAL... This has nothing to do about sales, we will continue to get more deluxe releases, new releases as well as re releases in physical form...

Oh and when we get those new releases please be aware ROD indeed post in every new upcoming release thread that the sales were low.

Reply #264 posted 07/08/18 12:32pm

feeluupp

Actually the ridiculousness of ROD's post about how Prince doesn't sell anymore and we will get no further new releases is so obsurd... Hey RODDY N.E.W.S sold uner 40,000 copies, independent artists with no promotion were selling more than PRINCE at that time... Yet to your logic if an album would sell that little then Prince would have no more releases right?? Well how many new releases have we had since his worst seller...

Oh and btw ROD, when those new deluxe editions do come out of 1999 and all the other WB albums, what is gonna be your excuse then?

Actually the ridiculousness of ROD's post about how Prince doesn't sell anymore and we will get no further new releases is so obsurd... Hey RODDY N.E.W.S sold uner 40,000 copies, independent artists with no promotion were selling more than PRINCE at that time... Yet to your logic if an album would sell that little then Prince would have no more releases right?? Well how many new releases have we had since his worst seller...

Oh and btw ROD, when those new deluxe editions do come out of 1999 and all the other WB albums, what is gonna be your excuse then?

You are a complètely crazy guy obsessed by me...Stop being insulting, or please, just insult me on MP.
.
Can t somebody stop this Guy from trashing and chasing me for years?
.

You don t know what you are talking about : now you talk about an obscure instrumental indépendant album, that has nothing to do with Big market targeted albums...[Edited 7/8/18 14:30pm]

Reply #268 posted 07/08/18 2:29pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

SPECULATIONS

I have low xpectations 4 the Sony Deal at this stage & surely after , i don't know at all what 2 expect from WB after his release in September but my guess is ...implications by WB will be keep to a minimun.....my only xpectation is 4 the future Deal of Vault Material....i would have wish that Universal pick up the Deal but....u know the rest !

we Will C ?

[Edited 7/7/18 3:57am]

[Edited 7/7/18 3:58am]

Remember that WB had the choice between à 1999 deluxe and Piano...1983. . If PR deluxe was such à success (130.000 copies worldwide in 2017) they would have released 1999 deluxe, possibly at the end of 2017 to coïncide with the 35th anniversaire. . Instead, they preferred to Take their chances with Piano...1983. . That tells à lot of what happened in the wings and with disappointing sales of PR deluxe. . WB obviously wanted to make PR deluxe à huge release with à lot of promotion. Then, somebody from the estate decided the live at the first avenue 1983, remasterised, was too good to be in this deluxe édition and was to be released on VOD for a reported one million dollars. . What happened to that? Nothing. . Since it was the best argument for PR deluxe, and that they could have priced higher this édition, they obviously stopped the huge hype this album could have benefited from, especially in the US. . They didn t even bother to re certify it at 15*platinum like it should have, and PR reached that mark even before Prince death...This could have been great exposition for the while WB catalogue.

but how could they think it would sell better than 1999 remastered with bonus tracks and a dvd

Four, we know how music press Works. This kind of project could get their attention, showcasing Prince vocal talents without artifices, without his usual (annoying for some) gimmicks.
Nobody in the music press reviewed the PR reissue last year.[Edited 7/8/18 14:29pm]

Reply #269 posted 07/08/18 4:07pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Actually the ridiculousness of ROD's post about how Prince doesn't sell anymore and we will get no further new releases is so obsurd... Hey RODDY N.E.W.S sold uner 40,000 copies, independent artists with no promotion were selling more than PRINCE at that time... Yet to your logic if an album would sell that little then Prince would have no more releases right?? Well how many new releases have we had since his worst seller...

Oh and btw ROD, when those new deluxe editions do come out of 1999 and all the other WB albums, what is gonna be your excuse then?

You are a complètely crazy guy obsessed by me...Stop being insulting, or please, just insult me on MP. . Can t somebody stop this Guy from trashing and chasing me for years? . You don t know what you are talking about : now you talk about an obscure instrumental indépendant album, that has nothing to do with Big market targeted albums... [Edited 7/8/18 14:30pm]

Then stop posting always about how PRINCE won't sell or no new releases will come because his sales are low... How can every post of yours since 2014 be about sales??

Reply #270 posted 07/08/18 5:04pm

Hamad

If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Reply #271 posted 07/09/18 2:20pm

Kares

Hamad said:

If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.

.There's no news about any remastering, I'm afraid.

.

Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.

.There's no news about any remastering, I'm afraid.

.

Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

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The Iron Mountain facilty can handle that. Which is where ALL of Prince's post WBR music are at now from his Vault of thousands.

Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

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The Iron Mountain facilty can handle that. Which is where ALL of Prince's post WBR music are at now from his Vault of thousands.

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

In theory there would be an initial final mix that would have been sent off to be mastered .. as in .. brickwalled into oblivion .. it is likely those final mixes exist and would be unmastered and you would hear what the actual instruments sounded like before tha massive compression designed for teeny tiny earbuds and i phone speakers ... i dont think any one in charge over there is gonna start the unmastered revolution .. most every remaster i hear is awful and everything past the 90s doesnt even sound like music anymore it is all so compressed from the get go

Reply #277 posted 07/10/18 5:49pm

Hamad

Too late to ask to stop jumping the gun, eh? Oh well.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Reply #278 posted 07/11/18 7:49am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kares said:

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

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Yes Iron Mountain can! If they can save the already water damaged/rotted tapes that had already been stored for years in the PP vault. They can do anything.

I don't think you understand what remastering is

it has nothing to do with the physical quality of the tapes.

Reply #279 posted 07/11/18 9:04am

jjam

TrevorAyer said:

In theory there would be an initial final mix that would have been sent off to be mastered .. as in .. brickwalled into oblivion .. it is likely those final mixes exist and would be unmastered and you would hear what the actual instruments sounded like before tha massive compression designed for teeny tiny earbuds and i phone speakers ... i dont think any one in charge over there is gonna start the unmastered revolution .. most every remaster i hear is awful and everything past the 90s doesnt even sound like music anymore it is all so compressed from the get go

There's no in theory. The final mixes would not have been mastered. I'm sure these will be used as the source for remasters especially if Anesini is overseeing it.

Reply #280 posted 07/11/18 10:35am

TrevorAyer

The ‘in theory’ part refers to the ability of the powers that be to look for and find said final mixes ... considering during the cd revolution some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape ... then u have wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes. Those final mix tapes existed at some point but we have yet to see any evidence that anyone is even looking for them ... the piano and mic 83 is a good example of looking in the wrong place for quality source material

Reply #281 posted 07/11/18 8:10pm

bboy87

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Reply #282 posted 07/12/18 11:13am

Germanegro

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

If those tapes are found, such a project may need to be crowdfunded by the album's fans if nobody else wants to invest in all of the expenses for the task.

Reply #283 posted 07/12/18 3:10pm

RODSERLING

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

That s the exact définition for the term "science fiction".

Reply #284 posted 07/12/18 8:57pm

udo

Germanegro said:

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

If those tapes are found, such a project may need to be crowdfunded by the album's fans if nobody else wants to invest in all of the expenses for the task.

.

Who to approach at the Estate/WB/Sony/etc to make this happen?

No risk for them, all the joy for us.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

Reply #285 posted 07/12/18 9:32pm

bboy87

RODSERLING said:

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

That s the exact définition for the term "science fiction".

Maybe for Prince, but multitracks exist for most artists. They're stored right along with the final masters

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."

Reply #286 posted 07/13/18 11:26am

ladygirl99

If each album has extended songs and B sides and mixes, then it is worth getting especially from the fans that already have all of those albums.

Reply #287 posted 07/13/18 4:44pm

OperatingThetan

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'.

I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released.

I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

Reply #288 posted 07/13/18 4:52pm

ChocolateBox3121

OperatingThetan said:

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

It's a LOT of people that didn't follow Prince & weren't loyal to him(including casual fans). That were ONLY there for the hits and have NO idea he released almost FORTY albums in his short productive life.This is their chance to find out. This deal is for people to rediscover and discover him in a new way. This deal is NOT for diehards.

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

It's a LOT of people that didn't follow Prince & weren't loyal to him(including casual fans). That were ONLY there for the hits and have NO idea he released almost FORTY albums in his short productive life.This is their chance to find out. This deal is for people to rediscover and discover him in a new way. This deal is NOT for diehards.

Thus my closing comment that I'm happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamiliar.

Reply #290 posted 07/15/18 6:17am

Kares

TrevorAyer said:

The ‘in theory’ part refers to the ability of the powers that be to look for and find said final mixes ... considering during the cd revolution some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape ... then u have wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes. Those final mix tapes existed at some point but we have yet to see any evidence that anyone is even looking for them ... the piano and mic 83 is a good example of looking in the wrong place for quality source material

.Oh man, where do I even start... "some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape" – obviously not, I've no idea where you got this nonsense from... What is a "printed commercial cassette" anyway? Cassette tapes weren't "printed", they were duplicated on professional, high-speed dubbing machines that held huge reels of tape and they automatically cut and fed the tapes into the empty cassettes. And they were dubbed from master tape, of course, to be more precise: from a 'production master' that was made from the album master.

.

And there are several different types of master tapes, as I've explained several times before on the org so I won't start again as it seems there's no point... The term 'mastering' can also mean several different kinds of processes. ."wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes" – again, a sentence that makes no sense because you don't understand what mastering means. WB has released most Prince outtakes in the past two years from cassette copies of masters but the issue here is not that they weren't 'mastered' (of course they were), it is that they were copied onto low quality cassettes and WB should've waited to get access to the professional tapes from the vault instead of putting out cassette-sourced copies on CD..The Piano and Mic 83 material has never been professionally recorded so if that what they were looking for they were indeed looking for it at the right place, amongst the cassettes – but I agree that they made the wrong choice in putting that out now on its own..

Does this enclose NPG Music club realeases. Crystal Ball, Kamasutra, tracks like Glasscutter on an album of unofficially release material. I think whatever is release need a true marketing campaign beyond Prince’s base.

No More Haters on the Internet.

Reply #294 posted 07/16/18 3:07am

Thierry

OperatingThetan said:

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

.Wrong, but nevermind.(I'm actually a mastering engineer, btw, but apparently so is every other person on the org... )

.

it used to be, in the late 90s, if you owned 3 or more prince albums, you could send away for a certificate and you'd be an official (withgold stars) mastering engineer. that's why there's so many on here.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #298 posted 07/17/18 3:42am

Thierry

udo said:

Kares said:

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The cassette is not a master – it is just used (in this case) as the source to create a master.

And there's MUCH more to professional tape recording than simply having a bigger tape surface area per second.

.

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The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

Kares is getting confused ... the word MASTER is being used in many different ways creating said confusion but from where I sit we are all saying the same thing. WB isn’t smart enough to find the untainted versions of songs .. we may end up with product from source material that is several generations removed from the highest sound quality ... wb and estate make poor audio quality decisions .. we will get noise reduced cassettes and brickwalled releases before we get something like an unprocessed “unmastered” crystal ball track sans massive ear bloating compression

Reply #301 posted 07/26/18 2:42am

endymion

it used to be, in the late 90s, if you owned 3 or more prince albums, you could send away for a certificate and you'd be an official (withgold stars) mastering engineer. that's why there's so many on here.

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Fucking hilarious

What you don't remember never happened

Reply #302 posted 07/26/18 5:48pm

RODSERLING

One month After, and still nothing.Exactly the kind of genius marketing Prince would have done.

Reply #303 posted 07/26/18 6:17pm

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

One month After, and still nothing. Exactly the kind of genius marketing Prince would have done.

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #304 posted 07/27/18 4:48am

RODSERLING

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

One month After, and still nothing. Exactly the kind of genius marketing Prince would have done.

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

Is it really So difficult for Sony to put on streaming and digital download the albums?I just Can t believe it.They could have released on streaming/download everything in the week following the announcement if they wanted to. .It looks like this deal Will also turn out to be à bummer. There must be many légal issues in the wings that prévent this deal to be fulfilled, including the existing deal with Tidal that is exactly the same thing.

Reply #305 posted 07/27/18 4:50am

feeluupp

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

One month After, and still nothing. Exactly the kind of genius marketing Prince would have done.

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

Reply #306 posted 07/27/18 11:22am

IstenSzek

RODSERLING said:

IstenSzek said:

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

Is it really So difficult for Sony to put on streaming and digital download the albums? I just Can t believe it. They could have released on streaming/download everything in the week following the announcement if they wanted to. . It looks like this deal Will also turn out to be à bummer. There must be many légal issues in the wings that prévent this deal to be fulfilled, including the existing deal with Tidal that is exactly the same thing.

i think their original press blurb said something about starting 'later this year', didn't it?

but you're right, it's sort of rediculous that they can't start to put albums up at least twoa month or something like that. if they came to streaming with some extra stuff like theb-sides and remixes attached, it would be a bit more of an incentive for people like us tomake some noise about them, too.

if they're not going to remaster or expand these albums, what's the hold up? tidal hadthem all up quick enough and they got the original high quality files from prince, right?you'd think those are all ready to go for all platforms now

let's wait if they'll surprise us and are working on some mastermind marketing strategy

behind the scenes.

seems like business as usual in prince land. announcements galore, yet no specific infoand no transparancy (let alone decent promotion). good thing we're used to that, sincemost of us have been on this bandwagon for about 35 years

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #307 posted 07/27/18 11:23am

IstenSzek

feeluupp said:

IstenSzek said:

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

now i'm wondering if prince will even garner streams anymore

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps

Reply #308 posted 07/28/18 2:21am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

IstenSzek said:

RODSERLING said:

One month After, and still nothing. Exactly the kind of genius marketing Prince would have done.

well what is there to report? as you've told us, a gazillion times, there will be no rereleases, no reissues, no special album themed box sets and no outtake collections. all this is a just adistribution deal to get the already released yet out of print albums onto streaming platforms.

hardly worth making a big deal about is it? they'll get some minor blurbs if and when albumsstart to appear on the platforms.

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

Try à girl[Edited 7/28/18 2:23am]

Reply #309 posted 07/28/18 4:19am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

Try à girl [Edited 7/28/18 2:23am]

But ROD Prince won't sell anymore...

Reply #310 posted 07/31/18 3:25am

love2thenines2003

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

Try à girl [Edited 7/28/18 2:23am]

Or a boy?

Reply #311 posted 08/01/18 1:15am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

don't forget to add he also will say Prince won't sell or doesn't sell anymore

Try à girl [Edited 7/28/18 2:23am]

But ROD Prince won't sell anymore...

What a jerk you are...I m not responsible for the poor sales of PR deluxe or Prince last albums. Blâme it on the orgers and many other fans that didn t want to buy it.
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This year PR sold 44.000 copies in the Us, including...25.000 on vinyle! And on CD this is the regular cheaper one CD version that sells.
The deluxe édition still sells poorly.
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And as I SAID, this streaming/digital deal could achieve huge numbers, and makes for great publicity to the whole Prince catalogue if they hurry up.
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And the Piano 1983 Will make better reviews and numbers worldwide than what à 1999 deluxe would have done, that s for sure. Hell, it cost nothing for WB! Nobody to pay!
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I agree though that the 2016 Piano tour would have been à better commercial/artistic operation, but obviously it cost more money.
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Prince sales Will dépend on the type of release and the money put on it by the record company. Logical.
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If they had released The 1st avenue on BD with PR deluxe (even for an higher Price), this would have been à worldwide success.
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If Gold or Musicology would have been available at Prince s death, at least digitally, it would have sold reasonnably Well.
Now in 2018, this is not realistic to release that kind of thing physically.[Edited 8/1/18 1:21am]

Reply #312 posted 08/01/18 3:31am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

But ROD Prince won't sell anymore...

What a jerk you are...I m not responsible for the poor sales of PR deluxe or Prince last albums. Blâme it on the orgers and many other fans that didn t want to buy it. . This year PR sold 44.000 copies in the Us, including...25.000 on vinyle! And on CD this is the regular cheaper one CD version that sells. The deluxe édition still sells poorly. . And as I SAID, this streaming/digital deal could achieve huge numbers, and makes for great publicity to the whole Prince catalogue if they hurry up. . And the Piano 1983 Will make better reviews and numbers worldwide than what à 1999 deluxe would have done, that s for sure. Hell, it cost nothing for WB! Nobody to pay! . I agree though that the 2016 Piano tour would have been à better commercial/artistic operation, but obviously it cost more money. . Prince sales Will dépend on the type of release and the money put on it by the record company. Logical. . If they had released The 1st avenue on BD with PR deluxe (even for an higher Price), this would have been à worldwide success. . If Gold or Musicology would have been available at Prince s death, at least digitally, it would have sold reasonnably Well. Now in 2018, this is not realistic to release that kind of thing physically. [Edited 8/1/18 1:21am]

What a jerk you are...I m not responsible for the poor sales of PR deluxe or Prince last albums. Blâme it on the orgers and many other fans that didn t want to buy it. . This year PR sold 44.000 copies in the Us, including...25.000 on vinyle! And on CD this is the regular cheaper one CD version that sells. The deluxe édition still sells poorly. . And as I SAID, this streaming/digital deal could achieve huge numbers, and makes for great publicity to the whole Prince catalogue if they hurry up. . And the Piano 1983 Will make better reviews and numbers worldwide than what à 1999 deluxe would have done, that s for sure. Hell, it cost nothing for WB! Nobody to pay! . I agree though that the 2016 Piano tour would have been à better commercial/artistic operation, but obviously it cost more money. . Prince sales Will dépend on the type of release and the money put on it by the record company. Logical. . If they had released The 1st avenue on BD with PR deluxe (even for an higher Price), this would have been à worldwide success. . If Gold or Musicology would have been available at Prince s death, at least digitally, it would have sold reasonnably Well. Now in 2018, this is not realistic to release that kind of thing physically. [Edited 8/1/18 1:21am]

With 44000 units sold...WB makes his business & his money ..Not billions dollars but enough money to make them smile !

Reply #314 posted 08/01/18 6:24am

RODSERLING

love2thenines2003 said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

But ROD Prince won't sell anymore...

What a jerk you are...I m not responsible for the poor sales of PR deluxe or Prince last albums. Blâme it on the orgers and many other fans that didn t want to buy it. . This year PR sold 44.000 copies in the Us, including...25.000 on vinyle! And on CD this is the regular cheaper one CD version that sells. The deluxe édition still sells poorly. . And as I SAID, this streaming/digital deal could achieve huge numbers, and makes for great publicity to the whole Prince catalogue if they hurry up. . And the Piano 1983 Will make better reviews and numbers worldwide than what à 1999 deluxe would have done, that s for sure. Hell, it cost nothing for WB! Nobody to pay! . I agree though that the 2016 Piano tour would have been à better commercial/artistic operation, but obviously it cost more money. . Prince sales Will dépend on the type of release and the money put on it by the record company. Logical. . If they had released The 1st avenue on BD with PR deluxe (even for an higher Price), this would have been à worldwide success. . If Gold or Musicology would have been available at Prince s death, at least digitally, it would have sold reasonnably Well. Now in 2018, this is not realistic to release that kind of thing physically. [Edited 8/1/18 1:21am]

With 44000 units sold...WB makes his business & his money ..Not billions dollars but enough money to make them smile !

I never Said the Contrary...I just said that 57% from these numbers actually comes from the vynil...which seems to be the biggest market for Prince today : his singles reissues sold Well too (Well for a niche market).

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The regular 1 CD version must sell two or three Times better than the expanded deluxe released last year. So the reissue this year sold what ? 6 or 7.000 copies?
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So that s the point when I say that reissue is not à good option, neither for WB, nor for Sony.
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Sony and WB both have better things to make more money.[Edited 8/1/18 6:24am]

Reply #315 posted 08/01/18 11:43am

luvsexy4all

so not only r people on here audio technicians ..they r marketing moguls

Reply #316 posted 08/01/18 1:57pm

feeluupp

luvsexy4all said:

so not only r people on here audio technicians ..they r marketing moguls

Yup. Rod works for the marketing department at WB, and has all the sales for every Prince record on file.

He also came to the conclusion that Prince will never sell anymore, and no new albums will be released.

Reply #317 posted 08/03/18 7:08am

tomds

Is there a consensus on what 35 albums they're talking about ?

Reply #318 posted 08/07/18 4:20pm

luvsexy4all

but if theyre only for download..whats the delay???

Reply #319 posted 08/08/18 12:44am

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

but if theyre only for download..whats the delay???

I suspect it s about legal rights.Maybe they sold it to Sony telling them they would have the exclusivity. Then, they discovered the existence of Tidal..Sounds like the deal with Universal.

Reply #320 posted 08/08/18 10:15am

luvsexy4all

maybe they will coincide with the 9/21 release

Reply #321 posted 08/09/18 6:26pm

206Michelle

Kares said:

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

.The last thing we want is someone fiddling with Prince's mixes and finished albums – just leave them as they are! The fact that Prince has made some questionable artistic decisions (and it was just one of the many natural results of his creative freedom and boldness) does not mean that I'd want someone to try "correcting" those "mistakes". So please don't even try to give the Estate the wrong ideas....

Kares, I agree with you. I want the original album as Prince made it.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above

Reply #322 posted 08/17/18 6:15pm

206Michelle

Emancipation, 3121, Musicology, and more! I’m a freaking kid in a candy store!!!

I am loving the NPGMC stuff. Hell, those songs were digital only to begin with, and I have long since misplaced those files (even the CD-R they were on). It is nice to see those ones, The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse, on iTunes.

I even copped One Nite Alone "Solo Piano & Voice" because I could never get it on CD even when he was alive. RARE!