fter reading about our new HC and his liking for TE. (Forget where I read this)

Would a 2nd or 3rd (if lucky) rd draft pick for this big bruiser of a TE be worth it?

270 lbs with a good catch radius and the strength to power out of tackles. An excellent red zone target (area we have struggled with). Only down side I have been reading is his burst speed and blocking for his size.
One report says he has same skill sets as Mercedes Lewis at the Jags.

I know we have lots of other more urgent holes to fill but thoufht I would put it out there for a discussion (getting bored of everything been QB related sorry).

TexansFTW

01-07-2014, 10:12 AM

I wonder why this thread was buried and not talked about. I'm interested to hear what people that know more than me have to say.

The QB talk has gotten a little old, I agree. I doubt at this point either side is going to be swayed by the other.

Skill-Set Summary: Tight ends have taken the NFL by storm in recent years and Seferian-Jenkins looks like the best tight end prospect to come along since the 2010 NFL Draft that featured a banner crop of tight ends. Seferian-Jenkins is a physical specimen who looks like he could be a high-impact tight end in the mold of the Patriots' Rob Gronkowski or the Saints' Jimmy Graham.

Seferian-Jenkins could become the complete package as a tight end. He is a fantastic receiver with the potential to be a top blocker. In the ground game, Seferian-Jenkins is generally effective on his blocks. He doesn't sustain his blocks as long as one would like and could use more force and attitude. That being said, Seferian-Jenkins flashes some impressive blocking in pass protection on edge-rushers.He could stand to improve more as a blocker for the NFL, but definitely has the skill set to be a good one.

As a receiver, Seferian-Jenkins is a matchup nightmare. He is too quick for linebackers to cover in man coverage and too big for defensive backs. The junior has a burst off the line and excellent straight-line speed to burn defenses down the middle seam. Seferian-Jenkins uses his size and strength to box out defenders for the ball. He has no problem going up over defensive backs to make contested catches. Seferian-Jenkins has phenomenal agility and body control for a thick tight end, and his basketball background is easily visible there.

To go along with his size and speed, Seferian-Jenkins has excellent hands and runs good routes. He is a rare tight end with his run-after-the-catch ability. Seferian-Jenkins uses his burst to run away from defenders and his size to bounce off of tacklers. He is very hard for one defensive back to bring down. Once Seferian-Jenkins has the ball, he does a nice job of picking up extra yards with a nose for the red zone.

Seferian-Jenkins looks like he could be a three-down tight end NFL and a devastating weapon as a pass receiver. He should be a phenomenal red-zone target. His rare combination of size, speed and athletic ability make him an elite tight end prospect for the next level.

2014 NFL Draft Expectations: It wouldn't be surprising if the biggest question mark for Seferian-Jenkins when he enters the NFL is off-the-field concerns. Some teams could be frightened away because of his DUI arrest and that could cause him to slide in the 2014 NFL Draft. For Seferian-Jenkins to be a high draft pick, it is vital that he stays out of trouble and develops the reputation that his problems are behind him.

Seferian-Jenkins enters the 2013 season looking like a first-round talent for the 2014 season. He just has to stay healthy, productive and out of trouble off the field. If Seferian-Jenkins is able to do that, the junior could easily be a Thursday night selection and one of the top tight ends to enter the NFL in recent years.
Question is is he http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/emot-airquote.gifAaron Hernandez or has he changed?

Usually the people who "get it" talk more about who they might have killed/harmed and less about me, my body, my career, my life. But have to give him props for standing up and talking at all.

Really like him as a propect and would love to see a trade down where he's our second selection. More to learn about him in upcoming months.

Texian

01-07-2014, 11:33 AM

A good choice for the Texans 2nd RD pick IF he gets by the New England Patriots in RD 1.

aussie_texan

01-07-2014, 06:02 PM

anyone one of the top 3 to 4 TEs i would be happy with. although Amaro is my favourite

bhsman

01-07-2014, 07:01 PM

I think he and Griffin (as well as Graham, if he stays) would be an impressive group of Tight Ends and would fit what O'Brien likes to do with his offense. I would say that comparing any player to Aaron Hernandez when his character concerns are alcohol-related seems to be an exaggeration.

Marshall

01-07-2014, 07:20 PM

Right now, CBSSports.com has him behind Eric Ebron and Jake Amaro and an early second rounder. If we trade down, we'd have to pick up another 1st and high 2nd this year to take TE that high.

Cleveland fits.
St. Louis fits if they zero in on a player, but there's no indication of that now.
Minnesota would probably have to give up 2015 picks to move up. Tennessee and Jacksonville are unlikely trade partners.
Oakland might be a fit.

Blake

01-08-2014, 02:18 PM

Was it being in Washingtons offense, or just a lack of vertical speed that kept his numbers low? 35 yards per game isnt very impressive.

mattieuk

01-08-2014, 02:38 PM

Was it being in Washingtons offense, or just a lack of vertical speed that kept his numbers low? 35 yards per game isnt very impressive.

As a Huskies fan...

His statistical drop off this year was huge from last year. I don't think the DUI preseason shenanigans helped one bit, especially after the strong Boise St. season opener and his pinky issue probably slowed him down as well. Coach Sark used the Boise game to test out his up tempo game, which was pretty run intensive and actively developed receiving playmakers based on their pace. There just wasn't the dependance on ASJ this year that was seen before. If you watched the 2012 season, Keith Price had a shocking year, in no small part due to one of the most holey o-lines in the country and ASJ benefited from that pressure quite a bit. The change in offense this year did help ASJ become more of a rounded TE.

The off the season issue is not much of a red flag. I think the coach dealt with it very well, and I can't see a relapse of that kind of behaviour, and it appears to be an iscolated blemish which he paid for in the season opener, which, as the first game at the redeveloped Husky Stadium was pretty much a bowl game.

If he falls to the second round (and I do think there is a good chance he goes in the late first round due to an increase in stock after workouts due to his physical absurdity) the Texans would do very well to pick him up.

Blake

01-08-2014, 03:32 PM

Thanks for the insight. I mocked us trading up for Ebron in the 1st and it was not well received. Maybe getting a guy like this in the 2nd would be more of a crowd pleaser.

bah007

01-09-2014, 07:25 AM

I like Seferian-Jenkins. He has good speed moving forward but he is sometimes slow coming out of his cuts. He also suffers from the drops every now and then even though he has good hands. That's more of a concentration thing than a physical issue. These are nitpicks though. He's a solid late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. And his size and blocking are impressive enough that I remember Texas recruiting his as an OT.

I would prefer Fiedorowicz at the top of the third, but if ASJ is sitting there at #33 and you're planning on taking a TE then I don't see how you pass.

Texian

01-09-2014, 11:41 AM

Was it being in Washingtons offense, or just a lack of vertical speed that kept his numbers low? 35 yards per game isnt very impressive.

New OC, installed hurry up spread O. That's the reason for low numbers. See ASJ #'s from prior years. If he had same #s this year he would be #1 TE.

I'm told the injury which kept Austin-Seferian Jenkins from working out is a fracture in his foot.

Tearstain

02-23-2014, 02:46 PM

Just been reading the Bleacher Report and it looks like he is out for upto 8 weeks.

He dropped 20lbs for the combine.

Will this effect his draft position?

Still think we should take him 33rd if still there.

Playoffs

02-23-2014, 04:57 PM

In the last hour I’ve learned much more on the injury which kept Austin Seferian-Jenkins from working out (http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9449) yesterday. It was an injury medical examiners at the combine accidentally found.

Doctors x-rayed Seferian-Jenkins left foot with the sole intention of examining the ankle which he sprained a year ago and kept him on the sidelines during a small portion of the 2012 season. In reviewing the x-rays doctors noticed what seemed to be a potential small fracture in the foot and ordered more tests. I’m told Seferian-Jenkins was getting ready to take the field for his workout when he was pulled from the line and told additional tests were needed.

The big tight end was as surprised as anyone as he’d never experienced pain in his left foot to that point. Seferian-Jenkins combine weight of 262-pounds is a number significantly lower than his playing weight of 2013.

I’m told Seferian-Jenkins had been timing in the 4.6’s during recent training.
Tony Pauline

mussop

02-23-2014, 08:16 PM

Tony Pauline

He's my number one target at TE. Has been for months

htownfan32

02-24-2014, 02:27 PM

He's my number one target at TE. Has been for months

Mine is Ebron but no way he slips to 33. Dude will be gone by pick 20. After that ASJ is my #2 TE, with Amaro at #3.

bah007

02-24-2014, 02:32 PM

I value TE differently than most. I prefer guys that can block just as well as they can catch. Guys like Ebron and Amaro are awesome but I like Niklas and Fiedorowicz the most in this class.

You can be more multiple on offense with those guys because they can play on the line of scrimmage. They block like a third OT and they are athletic enough to get open in the middle of the field.

Dutchrudder

02-24-2014, 03:11 PM

I value TE differently than most. I prefer guys that can block just as well as they can catch. Guys like Ebron and Amaro are awesome but I like Niklas and Fiedorowicz the most in this class.

You can be more multiple on offense with those guys because they can play on the line of scrimmage. They block like a third OT and they are athletic enough to get open in the middle of the field.

You can also get them later in the draft... :)

kiwitexansfan

02-24-2014, 03:41 PM

I value TE differently than most. I prefer guys that can block just as well as they can catch. Guys like Ebron and Amaro are awesome but I like Niklas and Fiedorowicz the most in this class.

You can be more multiple on offense with those guys because they can play on the line of scrimmage. They block like a third OT and they are athletic enough to get open in the middle of the field.

Would you put Arthur Lynch in with that group?

Seems like another guy who can add value as a blocker and still be a reliable target to get those 1sts.

mussop

02-24-2014, 04:27 PM

I value TE differently than most. I prefer guys that can block just as well as they can catch. Guys like Ebron and Amaro are awesome but I like Niklas and Fiedorowicz the most in this class.

You can be more multiple on offense with those guys because they can play on the line of scrimmage. They block like a third OT and they are athletic enough to get open in the middle of the field.

I think the same way. I know Austin isn't known for great blocking but I could see him becoming really good at it with his size. Niklas and Fiedorowicz are also favorites of mine.

bah007

02-24-2014, 08:16 PM

Would you put Arthur Lynch in with that group?

Seems like another guy who can add value as a blocker and still be a reliable target to get those 1sts.

He fits that style. I wouldn't lump him in that group in talent though.

Lynch would be a great fit as a #2 TE for a team that has an athletic Amaro-type as their #1.

bah007

02-24-2014, 08:18 PM

I think the same way. I know Austin isn't known for great blocking but I could see him becoming really good at it with his size. Niklas and Fiedorowicz are also favorites of mine.

ASJ was recruited by Texas as an OT so he definitely has the potential for it. I like him but don't love him.

kiwitexansfan

02-24-2014, 08:20 PM

He fits that style. I wouldn't lump him in that group in talent though.

Lynch would be a great fit as a #2 TE for a team that has an athletic Amaro-type as their #1.

yeah, definitely a tier down.

You would rather pair an athlete and a blocker rather than go with two from a similiar mold.

If we keep Daniels, would you rather the athlete type or the in line type?

bah007

02-24-2014, 08:32 PM

yeah, definitely a tier down.

You would rather pair an athlete and a blocker rather than go with two from a similiar mold.

If we keep Daniels, would you rather the athlete type or the in line type?

blocking is not that important for TE. if his adequate at blocking its a bonus. would much rather have a guy who is an elite receiving threat than get a guy who is a decent receiver but elite blocker

bah007

02-25-2014, 07:18 AM

blocking is not that important for TE. if his adequate at blocking its a bonus. would much rather have a guy who is an elite receiving threat than get a guy who is a decent receiver but elite blocker

Depends on what you want out of your offense. If you want an all out passing attack like the Saints then yes it's not important. You can just use the guy like a slot WR.

If you want to be multiple like I do then it's pretty important. If O'Brien is going to use the same offensive philosophy he learned with the Patriots (which we have no way of knowing for sure yet) then he will value guys who are scheme diverse and can do multiple things. A TE that can block and catch has to be accounted for in the running game and passing game, where as a TE who can't only has to be accounted for in the passing game.

The more multiple you are on offense, the simpler the defense has to make their scheme, thus making it easier for you to take advantage of matchups.

Playoffs

02-25-2014, 07:48 AM

I expect we will go Patriot two TEs, one Y that needs to be a good blocker and another "move" TE that I could see OD as. We'll know for sure if we nab Fiedorwicz/Niklas or similar in the draft.

bah007

02-25-2014, 07:58 AM

I expect we will go Patriot two TEs, one Y that needs to be a good blocker and another "move" TE that I could see OD as. We'll know for sure if we nab Fiedorwicz/Niklas or similar in the draft.

I would love that. I love two TE sets. That would be the base of my offense. I don't know what the Patriots vernacular is but your Gronk-type would be your Y and your Hernandez-type would be your H.

A guy I love in this draft as a H-Back is Trey Millard. He's a more talented version of James Casey. You can play him at RB, FB, HB, and TE.

As far as what we have right now, Daniels and Graham could both play the H. Griffin could play the Y.

Playoffs

02-25-2014, 08:01 AM

I would love that. I love two TE sets. That would be the base of my offense. I don't know what the Patriots vernacular is but your Gronk-type would be your Y and your Hernandez-type would be your H.

A guy I love in this draft as a H-Back is Trey Millard. He's a more talented version of James Casey. You can play him at RB, FB, HB, and TE.

It's the "Y"(in line) and the "move". Yeah I love that concept.

I'll chase down some of his tape, thanks.

infantrycak

02-25-2014, 08:38 AM

Depends on what you want out of your offense. If you want an all out passing attack like the Saints then yes it's not important. You can just use the guy like a slot WR.

If you want to be multiple like I do then it's pretty important. If O'Brien is going to use the same offensive philosophy he learned with the Patriots (which we have no way of knowing for sure yet) then he will value guys who are scheme diverse and can do multiple things. A TE that can block and catch has to be accounted for in the running game and passing game, where as a TE who can't only has to be accounted for in the passing game.

The more multiple you are on offense, the simpler the defense has to make their scheme, thus making it easier for you to take advantage of matchups.

That's fine but blocking for TEs like pass protection for RBs is something which is often virtually disregarded in college and which can be improved greatly in the NFL. There is no need to view TEs coming out of college as finished products on blocking. (And no need to keep reading their college reviews ten years later and repeating they aren't go blockers when they have improved greatly, but that's another matter).

steelbtexan

02-25-2014, 11:39 AM

Jenkins/Nicklas are the most well rounded TE's in this class. IMHO

But you have to spend a 2nd to get them. Pass, cant fix all that's wrong with the Texans in one yr.

bah007

02-25-2014, 12:43 PM

That's fine but blocking for TEs like pass protection for RBs is something which is often virtually disregarded in college and which can be improved greatly in the NFL. There is no need to view TEs coming out of college as finished products on blocking. (And no need to keep reading their college reviews ten years later and repeating they aren't go blockers when they have improved greatly, but that's another matter).

I agree with that. On the flip side, Fiedorowicz wasn't used nearly enough as a receiver at Iowa and will surely get better at it in the pros.

As for the bolded, I agree. Not sure why it was included, actually.

infantrycak

02-25-2014, 04:48 PM

As for the bolded, I agree. Not sure why it was included, actually.

Just a by extension extra. Doesn't just apply to TEs but is particularly acute on blocking. JMO but 5 years down the road you often still hear things being said about players as if someone is still reading off their prospect profile when their play in the NFL has obviously improved in that area. Dude will go three years without a drop and some knucklehead will chime in with "wish he didn't have a problem with drops" because that was the knock coming out of college. Pet peeve.

aussie_texan

02-25-2014, 07:13 PM

Depends on what you want out of your offense. If you want an all out passing attack like the Saints then yes it's not important. You can just use the guy like a slot WR.

If you want to be multiple like I do then it's pretty important. If O'Brien is going to use the same offensive philosophy he learned with the Patriots (which we have no way of knowing for sure yet) then he will value guys who are scheme diverse and can do multiple things. A TE that can block and catch has to be accounted for in the running game and passing game, where as a TE who can't only has to be accounted for in the passing game.

The more multiple you are on offense, the simpler the defense has to make their scheme, thus making it easier for you to take advantage of matchups.

I completely agree with you in terms of being scheme diverse but i think you can still do that with receiving TEs over having one or two that are good blockers.
Defences will still need to respect the pass thus removing one player from playing the run.

Also infantrycak explains a good point that i left out, which is teaching these kids to block up to an average level isn't to difficult.

That's fine but blocking for TEs like pass protection for RBs is something which is often virtually disregarded in college and which can be improved greatly in the NFL. There is no need to view TEs coming out of college as finished products on blocking. (And no need to keep reading their college reviews ten years later and repeating they aren't go blockers when they have improved greatly, but that's another matter).

I guess its a matter of opinion but i would rather get the prospect with the better receiving skills than blocking skills at TE. (to sum it up quickly)

TexansFTW

02-26-2014, 03:42 PM

Obviously this hurts his stock.

How much? Do you think he can be had at the end of the 2nd now?

Playoffs

02-28-2014, 04:30 PM

2014 NFL Draft: Seferian-Jenkins opts for surgery now (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24460925/nfl-draft-seferian-jenkins-opts-for-surgery-now)
The expected recovery is approximately eight weeks, which makes it unlikely he'll be able to participate in Washington's Pro Day, April 2.

Those close to Seferian-Jenkins weren't willing to count out the possibility of a later workout should he prove a quick healer.

The 2014 NFL Draft kicks off Thursday, May 8, just under 10 weeks from now...

I'd love to have ASJ, but I see him as a luxury pick at a time when we have so many other huge holes to fill. It sure would be nice to have his size and athleticism going over the middle though.

Playoffs

04-19-2014, 11:03 AM

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins ready for NFL spotlight (http://www.chiefsspin.com/te-austin-seferian-jenkins-ready-for-nfl-spotlight/)
Austin Seferian-Jenkins recalls with fondness soaking in the atmosphere during the John Mackey Award ceremony at Baltimore’s Marriot Waterfront on April 12.

The recipient of the honor bestowed upon college football’s top tight end sat at a table with his mother Linda, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome and ESPN personality Stephen A. Smith, among others.

And when it came time to accept the award with the attention focused on him, the reality of the moment hammered home.

“That’s something not a lot of people really know,” Seferian-Jenkins said in a phone interview. “I wanted to win that award since I was probably in the sixth grade.

“To be able to be there, win that award, it was really cool. I get emotional talking about it because when you think about doing things your whole life, and then you have the opportunity to achieve it and you actually do it, there’s very few things that feel as good as that.”

Perhaps, but one of the elite tight end draft prospects of the 2014 class is in position to top that evening and fulfill another goal on May 8-10.

“I told myself I was going to make the NFL when I started playing football and that was when I was in the first grade,” Seferian-Jenkins said. “Ever since I put on pads, that was my vision and it hasn’t changed yet, and it won’t change. I just felt the day I put on those pads it was meant to be.”
...

We've spoken with teams selecting early in the second round that need help at tight end, and they said they won't be drafting Seferian-Jenkins because of his personal makeup. They like him as a player and believe he is a first-round talent, but with his off-the-field concerns, they plan on passing on him...

We've spoken with teams selecting early in the second round that need help at tight end, and they said they won't be drafting Seferian-Jenkins because of his personal makeup. They like him as a player and believe he is a first-round talent, but with his off-the-field concerns, they plan on passing on him...

We've spoken with teams selecting early in the second round that need help at tight end, and they said they won't be drafting Seferian-Jenkins because of his personal makeup. They like him as a player and believe he is a first-round talent, but with his off-the-field concerns, they plan on passing on him...

Sounds like a steelb kinda guy. Prolly not "Texans Worthy".

Just guessin'.Could also be a case of " gee we really hope we can get this guy in the bottom of the second" -itis :kitten:

We've spoken with teams selecting early in the second round that need help at tight end, and they said they won't be drafting Seferian-Jenkins because of his personal makeup. They like him as a player and believe he is a first-round talent, but with his off-the-field concerns, they plan on passing on him...

Sounds like a steelb kinda guy. Prolly not "Texans Worthy".

Just guessin'.

If ASJ drops to the bottom of the 2nd the Texans should be doing everything possible to trade up. Talent like ASJ, he can block in line or stretch the seam is rare. (Gronk like)

I noticed the Pats interviewed him. I could see the Pats trading into the middle of the 2nd and making ASJ a Pat, giving Brady another weapon that will help keep the Pats among the NFL elite.

Texian

04-27-2014, 10:16 AM

If ASJ drops to the bottom of the 2nd the Texans should be doing everything possible to trade up. Talent like ASJ, he can block in line or stretch the seam is rare. (Gronk like)

I noticed the Pats interviewed him. I could see the Pats trading into the middle of the 2nd and making ASJ a Pat, giving Brady another weapon that will help keep the Pats among the NFL elite.

ASJ is part of my BPA in RD2. 2A = Attaochu 2B = Moncrief 2C = ASJ

mussop

04-27-2014, 05:40 PM

If ASJ drops to the bottom of the 2nd the Texans should be doing everything possible to trade up. Talent like ASJ, he can block in line or stretch the seam is rare. (Gronk like)

I noticed the Pats interviewed him. I could see the Pats trading into the middle of the 2nd and making ASJ a Pat, giving Brady another weapon that will help keep the Pats among the NFL elite.

I have been saying for months that ASJ is my top TE. Of course I don't have the added bonus of getting to interview him in person. I'm basing my opinion strictly on his last two years of game tape. I have spent far less time this year reading about prospects than I usually do.

So I'm not that familiar with his off field stuff. Having said that, unless he's just a flat turd I would consider him with our second round pick and if he is a turd I would still trade up into the late second to get him. He is that good IMO.