They're bad, but they're not so bad if they are firmly tongue-in-cheek and handled in a 100% hypocritical fashion. For example, a 'marriage-of-convenience' with loads of secret (out of respect) but tacitly acknowledged affairs is better than either being 'honestly' single or involved in an actual monogamous marriage.

"The Norwegians hate the Swedish and the Swedes they hate the FinnsThe Finns they hate the Russians and the Russians hate the YidsSpicks and Wops and Greasers; Kikes and Spades and Ginny HensHatred's blowin in the wind; 10 million outcasts"

"Traditional values" and, for that matter, "progress" don't really mean anything in an objective sense beyond their basic definitions, so assigning either a moral value is a bit presumptuous, don't you think?

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What the hell do you mean by "traditional values?" If you mean values like honesty, empathy, generosity, etc., then obviously good.

I believe he means "traditional values", like not having abortions, not using euthanasia, sexual fidelity, abstinence, opposition to porn, opposition to "deviant sexual behaviors", closing down our borders, stronger military, more free enterprise, cut taxes, no drugs, no beer, no cigarettes, no gambling, and Jesus.

What the hell do you mean by "traditional values?" If you mean values like honesty, empathy, generosity, etc., then obviously good.

I believe he means "traditional values", like not having abortions, not using euthanasia, sexual fidelity, abstinence, opposition to porn, opposition to "deviant sexual behaviors", closing down our borders, stronger military, more free enterprise, cut taxes, no drugs, no beer, no cigarettes, no gambling, and Jesus.

What the hell do you mean by "traditional values?" If you mean values like honesty, empathy, generosity, etc., then obviously good.

I believe he means "traditional values", like not having abortions, not using euthanasia, sexual fidelity, abstinence, opposition to porn, opposition to "deviant sexual behaviors", closing down our borders, stronger military, more free enterprise, cut taxes, no drugs, no beer, no cigarettes, no gambling, and Jesus.

That's Conservative values, not necessarily traditional.

And "traditional values" is the language conservatives use to make their beliefs sound more acceptable to voters.

---Marriage---The whole stupid "woman takes her husband's name and/or kid gets the father's name" tradition. And it irritates me how many women just blindly accept something that basically implies as if they have a lesser value.---Monogamy---Hereditary surnames---Abortion being a bad thing.---Etc.

Inb4 some bullsh!t about how I'll "grow up" and realize how "correct" these things are, regardless of the fact that there's no objective superiority of these concepts.

I can`t cast my vote here. Some traditions deserve being preserved and others are awful. Anyway "traditional values" usually are negative because both terms are used by conservative people for denying other people`s willings. But I see extremely positive being well-mannered, for example, and this is very traditional. So, blank vote.

They are neither good nor bad - though in practice I refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of or adhere to several traditions. I shift the burden for providing evidence to society to explain why my doing (or not doing) something is proper, righteous, or otherwise necessary. I generally do whatever I want however I please unless pressured or coerced to do something I am not both fully prepared and willing to squabble over and risk getting punished for. Mind you, it is not that I disrespect tradition itself so much as I want the traditions of society to better conform to my values rather than the other way around. In lieu of that, I think it better for everyone to question all authority figures within, and institutions of, their cultures than for folks to blindly embrace the ways and norms of the past.

To me, traditional values are in the vein of honesty, integrity, fidelity, dedication, ect.

I wish society embraced those values more, as it once did.

If he's talking about that (which I call traditional values), then those are great. However, if he's referring to what I defined them as (which I call "traditional values"), then my opinion is different.

I know the notion of progress is old-fashioned. But tradition doesn't necessarily equal "old-fashioned thing". Tradition is a thing whose sole legitimacy for existing lies in the fact it has existed in the past (and generally for a long time). You can very well support something of the past without being a traditionalist.

Tradition is a thing whose sole legitimacy for existing lies in the fact it has existed in the past (and generally for a long time).

No, that's not what the word means, even if it is the case in certain cases.

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"The Norwegians hate the Swedish and the Swedes they hate the FinnsThe Finns they hate the Russians and the Russians hate the YidsSpicks and Wops and Greasers; Kikes and Spades and Ginny HensHatred's blowin in the wind; 10 million outcasts"