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Re: This team needs to be blown up

Now of course when Danny returns riding the white horse and takes us to the second round from the 7th or 8th position & everyone has to finally bow to him (this is also for the benefit of you know who) we can pretend like this has just been a bad dream.

Well, no, if this happens and we go out in the second round there will be cries to blow it up because we're "only" the Atlanta Hawks and getting to the second round two years in a row is proof we're not good enough.

Remember, Championship or abject suckage failure. No middle ground.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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Re: This team needs to be blown up

anybody else watching first take right now? Stephen A. said that Pau Gasol might be available. He said something along the lines like, "Don't be surprised if the Lakers are taking calls about Pau Gasol". We could send em West who would still be a good fit with Howard, and they would probably want someone else for their bench. Don't know who we would give up though(all of our bench players suck lol).

Re: This team needs to be blown up

In the end, it's still basketball. The NBA can be as much of a superstar-driven league as it wants. In the end the best team wins.

Miami wouldn't win last year if their role players didn't hit their open shots. It was LeBron and Wade that lead them to the championship but even them couldn't do it alone. They needed that contribution by the rest of their team because basketball is a team game.

Miami played outstanding team defense. Offensively, it was only Wade and James. Superstars win championships. What makes that series painful, is that they beat us missing their 3rd superstar Bosh. That series was there for the taking, but we simply lacked the talent to get it done

Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

Re: This team needs to be blown up

Well, no, if this happens and we go out in the second round there will be cries to blow it up because we're "only" the Atlanta Hawks and getting to the second round two years in a row is proof we're not good enough.

Remember, Championship or abject suckage failure. No middle ground.

Not sure why anybody would be happy with another second round playoff exit. We, as fans, should have higher expectations

Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

Re: This team needs to be blown up

anybody else watching first take right now? Stephen A. said that Pau Gasol might be available. He said something along the lines like, "Don't be surprised if the Lakers are taking calls about Pau Gasol". We could send em West who would still be a good fit with Howard, and they would probably want someone else for their bench. Don't know who we would give up though(all of our bench players suck lol).

Re: This team needs to be blown up

Not sure why anybody would be happy with another second round playoff exit. We, as fans, should have higher expectations

You have to take it in the context of which I said it. I said if we suck now but can stay within striking distance of the playoffs and then Danny returns we not only make the playoffs but go to the next round (meaning we beat a higher seed).

You wouldn't call that a success?

Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

Re: This team needs to be blown up

anybody else watching first take right now? Stephen A. said that Pau Gasol might be available. He said something along the lines like, "Don't be surprised if the Lakers are taking calls about Pau Gasol". We could send em West who would still be a good fit with Howard, and they would probably want someone else for their bench. Don't know who we would give up though(all of our bench players suck lol).

And then Pau would come here and sulk because Indianapolis doesn't have enough "culture" for him.

Pass.

"Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

"And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

Hawks get:
Paul Gasol
Pendergraph (more of a throw in to make the trade work)

I'm sure there could be picks involved too, but I think this could be a very nice trade for all parties.

Idk why the Lakers would want West outside of the fact he has a yr left on his deal. They need a more athletic 4 that can stretch the floor a bit more in order to fit D'Antoni's system, not a smaller, slower PF like West.

I'm sure if they turned down J. Smith for Pau, they'd laugh at the idea of West.

Re: This team needs to be blown up

Not sure why anybody would be happy with another second round playoff exit. We, as fans, should have higher expectations

"Expectations"? Probably not.

"Hopes"? Certainly.

Considering only 4 teams out of 3 get to the conference finals every year, for fans of most teams to expect that level every year and be unhappy unless they reach it seems like masochism. Why indulge in a pastime that has an 87% chance of leaving you unsatisfied at any given time?

I'm happy if they have a chance, unhappy if they blow an obvious opportunity, but satisfied if they play to their potential and improve. I don't hang it on winning and only winning, there are too many things outside anyone's control that can affect that.

I believe the GOAL is a championship, but to set only the highest goal as success and rank everything else as failure is a recipe for an unhappy life. We have to take the small successes as well as the big ones.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: This team needs to be blown up

So I'm negative because I'm saying that Danny is like Rashard Lewis? are you serious? I wasn't even talking to you anyway, you need a hug or something?

C'mon man do you really deny that you are really negative a lot of the time? It's fine and all, but it cracks me up when you get all bent out of shape about it. You should embrace your negativity like TMJ embraces his super sunshineyness.

Re: This team needs to be blown up

Not sure why anybody would be happy with another second round playoff exit. We, as fans, should have higher expectations

You can have high expectations but this team does not have the superstars needed to go deeper into the playoffs. I predicted a first round exit before the season started and a slip to the 5th or 6th seed in the East. The Pacers did not do anything to improve their starting lineup although I am quite sure that they never drank the koolaid that insisted they already had the best starting unit in the NBA. Look at the entire NBA history of this team. One finals appearance and, I think, two ECF appearances. What makes you think they are going to get there now? Look back at some of the predictions for this team this year and you will see how out of whack, the fans expectations are. That said, this team does not need to be blown up, that takes years of rebuilding to fix and the fan base is already terribly small. It would be much better to try and make a deal to add a really good player to this current team and keep working on getting those fans back...

Re: This team needs to be blown up

I love your optimism, but the reality is that the NBA is a superstar-driven league.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you win you are then viewed as a superstar, and when you don't win it's always counted against you even if you are a superstar.

Paul Pierce saw his status rise dramatically just by being a top scorer on the Celtics title team, and even KG and Ray Allen saw improvements in how they were viewed. But KG had better years and looked sharper while in Minny failing to win it all.

Barkley and Reggie were on the flipside always having to justify their status.

If the Pacers last year had won it all then people would think of West, Danny and maybe Roy as great. Keep in mind that to win it all they would have had to have more games like the ones where they beat Miami, so now you have more times on TV scoring points, more times being shown as the winner, more times having your image redefined by the media.

Same guys, different view. And suddenly everyone says "we gotta follow the Indiana model to draft well and home-grow the superstars" or "first Detroit and now Indiana have proven that it's a different era". I know this is true because it's how all sports are reported and viewed.

Whatever works is what is defined as great, even if 5 other teams have the same thing and flopped. And this definitely applies to "must have a superstar" because every season tons of all-stars and Dream Team types go home empty handed and no one says "time to throw that model away because it failed".

Re: This team needs to be blown up

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you win you are then viewed as a superstar, and when you don't win it's always counted against you even if you are a superstar.

Paul Pierce saw his status rise dramatically just by being a top scorer on the Celtics title team, and even KG and Ray Allen saw improvements in how they were viewed. But KG had better years and looked sharper while in Minny failing to win it all.

Barkley and Reggie were on the flipside always having to justify their status.

If the Pacers last year had won it all then people would think of West, Danny and maybe Roy as great. Keep in mind that to win it all they would have had to have more games like the ones where they beat Miami, so now you have more times on TV scoring points, more times being shown as the winner, more times having your image redefined by the media.

Same guys, different view. And suddenly everyone says "we gotta follow the Indiana model to draft well and home-grow the superstars" or "first Detroit and now Indiana have proven that it's a different era". I know this is true because it's how all sports are reported and viewed.

Whatever works is what is defined as great, even if 5 other teams have the same thing and flopped. And this definitely applies to "must have a superstar" because every season tons of all-stars and Dream Team types go home empty handed and no one says "time to throw that model away because it failed".

It's a chicken or an egg thing, I get what you're saying, winning can make you a super star.

But maybe superstars just win?

Dunno, it's tough for me to not agree with the superstar folks after last year, not saying you can't win a title with a TEAM, just saying it's a lot harder when you hit the playoffs.

Re: This team needs to be blown up

Well, no, if this happens and we go out in the second round there will be cries to blow it up because we're "only" the Atlanta Hawks and getting to the second round two years in a row is proof we're not good enough.

Remember, Championship or abject suckage failure. No middle ground.

This is why I must sit in the front row or I don't watch the game at all. I don't get why so many fans here settle for 2nd rate viewing situations. Perennial losers I guess.