Maybe I like you. Maybe you are a good person with some eccentricities. Maybe you are just a person who I don’t want to hurt if I can avoid it.

thunderbolt23:

No, we didn’t.

Tell the nationalist movements that emerged and still exist. Tell the two world wars. Tell the American public that displays almost no traces of enlightenment thinking.

thunderbolt23:

Nope, because he otherwise satisfies commonly understood criteria of being Swedish. There’s no rational reason his race would be a component of the category of Swedishness. Being Swedish has more to do with cultural exposure and experience as opposed to biological traits.

So his biology is not a limiting factor in how he identifies himself? You see where I’m going with this. You don’t have to be born “Swedish” to feel Swedish.

Assuming you’re referring to scientists who study phenomena related to human gender (ie, the scientific community in question), you couldn’t be more wrong. Crack open any relevant textbook written in the last 20 years if you don’t believe me.

You’re confusing (and trying to conflate) a small, self-reinforcing segment of the academic community who focus on this niche area for the scientific community at large. A small fringe of academics is not the same as a vast majority of scientists who have concluded there is a scientific consensus to change how we categorize sex/gender.

EyeDentist:

Best not to mistake the limits of your imagination for the limits of the universe.

The universe has no mission to validate social theories - it operates by the iron laws of species propogation and the like. And there doesn’t appear to be any reason to think we will see this tiny percentage of genetic anomalies make a quantum leap in proportion to main male/female categories any time in the next ten millennia, if ever.

You’re confusing (and trying to conflate) a small, self-reinforcing segment of the academic community who focus on this niche area for the scientific community at large. A small fringe of academics is not the same as a vast majority of scientists who have concluded there is a scientific consensus to change how we categorize sex/gender.

I am referring to those members of the relevant scientific community who reject the binary model of gender. And I can assure you, they comprise the vast majority of that community. Again, don’t take my word for it–check the extant literature for yourself.

So his biology is not a limiting factor in how he identifies himself? You see where I’m going with this. You don’t have to be born “Swedish” to feel Swedish.

Yes, I know exactly where you’re going with this, but you keep avoiding why it doesn’t work - being Swedish has no biological component, being a woman does. Not the same, despite your multiple efforts. The former Nigerian’s “blackness” isn’t a problem because “whiteness” isn’t an essential component of beinf Swedish.

I am referring to those members of the relevant scientific community who reject the binary model of gender.

Yes, emphasis on your “relevant” - which was no accident and is code for niche-focused academics (largely social scientists) who are not representative of the scientific community. They produce a lot of,self-reinforcing literature, but volume doesnt equate scientific validity in the wider field.

It’s misleading to suggest the field if Gender Studies professors is a benchmark for the scientific community. It isn’t so.

EyeDentist:

Again, don’t take my word for it–check the extant literature for yourself.

I’m familiar.

EyeDentist:

(You’re doing it again.)

It’s using logic. Maybe it’s out of fashion, but I’m banking on a comeback.

Well, it actually does. It is an ethnic group or at least part of an ethnic group. If someone wishes to focus on that aspect and insist that feeling Swedish requires Swedish genes, that is their prerogative. This goes for many European nations.