Keith, KK only works if people use its (assumed) phonology. But they don't. Not even Ken himself.

Never mind insisting upon spellings that don't look English. Concentrate upon people pronouncing Cornish as if it were English. Listen to Polin Pris, for example. She pronounces Cornish as English as it comes. So do many others. I cringe when I hear Kernow pronounced like Received English with that horrible old-time BBC rounded O (and, all too often, no pronounced R or at the other end of the scale, the exaggerated trilled R).

How should Cornish be pronounced? Listen to Dick Gendall. Listen to Dan. Or Neil. What they are speaking accords well with Lhuyd's phonetic code - and Lhuyd remains the only source we have of native Cornish pronunciation. His assessment was fact. All others can only be theory and unprovable at that.

Evertype said:
[quote=morvran]Klingon was at least designed by a fully paid-up, qualified academic linguist. Some of his work has contributed to the revival of the Mutsun language of California.

Um, no. Whilst Mark Okrand has a degree in linguistics, he works in a company that handles close-captioning for the hearing-impaired. Like many linguists, he does not work in academia. ~~~~[/quote]

AFAIK he did at the time (1977) he did the work I was referring to, collating and interpreting J.P. Harrington's field notes on Mutsun.

We will first examine which aspects of Mutsun are recoverable, in order to address how imperfect the revitalization of this particular language may be. The phonetics, morpho-phonology, morphology, and basic syntax of Mutsun are relatively clear. Harrington was an excellent phonetician (Callaghan 1975, Okrand 1977), and his notes provide extensive information about segmental phonetics, although little about suprasegmentals. Marc Okrand (1977) compiled an excellent grammar of the language which covers basic syntax, and most of the morphology based on parts of Harrington’s notes.

I think it unlikely that he would have undertaken such 'pure research' on a dormant language other than in an academic context. But you twist my meaning. My point of course was that he was qualified in the science and disipline of linguistics, not say Greek and Irish literature.

morvran said:
[quote=Evertype][quote=morvran]Klingon was at least designed by a fully paid-up, qualified academic linguist. Some of his work has contributed to the revival of the Mutsun language of California.

Um, no. Whilst Mark Okrand has a degree in linguistics, he works in a company that handles close-captioning for the hearing-impaired. Like many linguists, he does not work in academia. ~~~~[/quote]
AFAIK he did at the time (1977) he did the work I was referring to, collating and interpreting J.P. Harrington's field notes on Mutsun.[/quote]Well I was just watching him on the specials DVD to Star Trek 3 and he was talking about the captioning.

I think it unlikely that he would have undertaken such 'pure research' on a dormant language other than in an academic context. But you twist my meaning. My point of course was that he was qualified in the science and disipline of linguistics, not say Greek and Irish literature.

As opposed to primatology or marine science?

And do spare us your fantasies about Williams' fields of specialization. Clearly you don't know anything about it, as you constantly "parrot" the same silliness about "Greek and Irish literature".

You talk about linguistics like an expert, but all you really do, Keith, is show yourself to be a big baby.

Please explain, I don't follow.[/quote]Why not answer my two questions first? 1) Will George's new dictionary implement a spelling change for Kernowek Kebmyn and add zeds?[/quote]I really don't know, why not ask Ken.[/quote]I see. I doubt Ken would answer a question I posed him. After all, I invited him to discuss a Fifth Form all that time ago, and he declined to discuss anything with me, now, didn't he? I think that was when your Kesva friends were telling you not to talk to me at all. Remember? When you tried to get me to believe that if I abstained from publishing Form and Content we could negotiate together?

2) What is the provenance of the image you sent?

It was made from a Pdf file on my computer.[/quote]I see. Well, if you aren't going to give me a straight answer, don't expect me to explain to you what I meant by "Let me count the ways".

truru said:
Either you can keep Cornish as your basement weekend hobby or you can do what the rest of the revival is doing and help turn it into a real thriving community language. You can't have it both ways Keith, it's time to pick one.

Please explain, I don't follow.[/quote]Why not answer my two questions first? 1) Will George's new dictionary implement a spelling change for Kernowek Kebmyn and add zeds?[/quote]I really don't know, why not ask Ken.[/quote]I see. I doubt Ken would answer a question I posed him. After all, I invited him to discuss a Fifth Form all that time ago, and he declined to discuss anything with me, now, didn't he? I think that was when your Kesva friends were telling you not to talk to me at all. Remember? When you tried to get me to believe that if I abstained from publishing Form and Content we could negotiate together?[/quote]

If you recall, when I tried to use my good offices to establish a dialogue, I asked you what your side was prepared to give up and whether you might as an example, withdraw "Form and Content" as a goodwill gesture, since it was entirely negative 'knocking copy' even though dressed up as an academic exercise. Your reply was that you were prepared to give up nothing, and no good will was on offer (you had no alternative gestures in mind, except the obvious manual one). There were therefore no grounds for discussion.

This has really continued to be the case. The anti-KK factions forced through the Process and the AHG and the compromise SWF, purely as a way of sidelining the Kesva. Having achieved that aim, you are now backing off from the compromise your collegues agreed to, backing off full astern. This demonstrates that you do not appreciate the concept of 'compromise', i.e. you are not prepared to give an inch in the interest of reconciliation. Not when I first attempted to mediate, not during the AHG, and clearly not now.

[quote][quote]2) What is the provenance of the image you sent?

It was made from a Pdf file on my computer.[/quote]I see. Well, if you aren't going to give me a straight answer, don't expect me to explain to you what I meant by "Let me count the ways". [/quote]

How can I be any more straight? You can hardly be asking me to give you lessons in typesetting?

Bardh said:
If the Language Partnership wishes to be taken seriously, it'll confirm the sheer demographic and linguistic fact that the Cornish-speaking community as a whole made its firm decision long ago. If it tries to defy the facts, it'll be ignored.