tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post113975605151440372..comments2016-12-09T11:58:58.433-06:00Comments on Althouse: "We are used to seeing ourselves as a permissive and open society on the side of the good..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139939055563204212006-02-14T11:44:00.000-06:002006-02-14T11:44:00.000-06:00New Riots<B><A HREF="http://cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/ofarrell5.gif" REL="nofollow">New Riots</A></B>bearbeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00878339252965962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139929961715309552006-02-14T09:12:00.000-06:002006-02-14T09:12:00.000-06:00Hindu gods insulted, leaders up in armsNew Riots<B><A HREF="http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/14gods.htm?q=tp&file=.htm" REL="nofollow">Hindu gods insulted, leaders up in arms</A></B><BR/><BR/><B><A HTTP://WWW.CAGLE.COM/NEWS/MUHAMMAD/IMAGES/OFARRELL5.GIF = HREF="" REL="nofollow">New Riots</A></B>bearbeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00878339252965962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139877915793513012006-02-13T18:45:00.000-06:002006-02-13T18:45:00.000-06:00I know this observation has been made before, but:...I know this observation has been made before, but:<BR/><BR/>Democracy, Multiculturalism and Immigration.<BR/><BR/>A society can have any 2 out of the 3 and sustain itself. But not all three.Chris O'Brienhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17862067105544345094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139856422463617792006-02-13T12:47:00.000-06:002006-02-13T12:47:00.000-06:00Mary, there are exceptions to free speech - inciti...Mary, there are exceptions to free speech - inciting violence (in this case murder) or endangering others by "yelling fire in a crowded theater" when there is no fire.Cathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18385125491087519013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139839840971184232006-02-13T08:10:00.000-06:002006-02-13T08:10:00.000-06:00Personally, I went out yesterday and bought some n...Personally, I went out yesterday and bought some nice Danish Havarti cheese....<BR/><BR/>Verification: itchmzciGaius Arbohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11825450779013984346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139818889022136282006-02-13T02:21:00.000-06:002006-02-13T02:21:00.000-06:00"...and the worst are filled with passionate inten..."...and the worst are filled with passionate intensity."miklos roszahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05292185343015349536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139812063261997022006-02-13T00:27:00.000-06:002006-02-13T00:27:00.000-06:00What can we do? How about we kick them out and le...What can we do? How about we kick them out and let less of them in? Who is they and them? Let's not kid, they are young male muslims from arab countries.Pedrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10021988994924244540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139808947192540562006-02-12T23:35:00.000-06:002006-02-12T23:35:00.000-06:00I think the lack of spine displayed by the Euro el...I think the lack of spine displayed by the Euro elites will encourage a swerve to the LePen-style reactionaries. Which would be bad, and, worse, probably wouldn't work anyway.<BR/><BR/>What's the saying--the dark night of Fascism is always descending on America, but keeps landing on Europe.Ernst Blofeldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11513715610225687159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139802328923452252006-02-12T21:45:00.000-06:002006-02-12T21:45:00.000-06:00…except, for instance, the genocide of native Amer...…except, for instance, the genocide of native Americans….so fuck all of you bitches.Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05362273653104921327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139799547006997252006-02-12T20:59:00.000-06:002006-02-12T20:59:00.000-06:00Ann uses lipstick on her labial lips. I like that...This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05362273653104921327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139794252963786762006-02-12T19:30:00.000-06:002006-02-12T19:30:00.000-06:00That's so true, miklos, history is repeating itsel...That's so true, miklos, history is repeating itself. Look at pictures of Japanese demonstrations before WWII--they are dressed in white like many of these angry people, in white from head to toe. Interesting how uniformity and anti-individualism attracts people. It's a madness, and this cult has awakened it once more.PatCAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03731945242398845044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139794140657714542006-02-12T19:29:00.000-06:002006-02-12T19:29:00.000-06:00I can see the truth about Islam with my own eyes. ...I can see the truth about Islam with my own eyes. The Muslims can march in the streets for days and days - some of them rampaging lunatics - over a cartoon. When Muslims storm into a school and murder children, or commit any of the other long line of atrocities done in the name of Islam for decades, I don't see much protesting, certainly not anywhere near on this scale. So now we know the Muslims know how to scream and protest over what they call desecrations of Islam, and now we can look at what they DON'T consider desecrations of Islam worthy of protesting with vigor - barbaric, savage terrorism. Islam has become sick and I am sick of people telling me I have to respect a religion. A religion is a belief system and I am not required to respect a belief system. The Muslims don't respect anyone else and I am sick of hearing their stupid tantrums. I would like to now officially declare that I don't give a damn what Muslims are mad about anymore, for as long as they sit idly by without cleaning up their religion.LoafingOafhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08561722739941667634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139793996398114762006-02-12T19:26:00.000-06:002006-02-12T19:26:00.000-06:00When Mussolini first started his career, he wrote ...When Mussolini first started his career, he wrote for a socialist newspaper. Then, as he evolved and invented fascism, he discovered that he could get young men to follow and join in -- simply by promising violence.<BR/><BR/>(And black shirts.)<BR/><BR/>Hitler and his cohorts used the same technique, going out looking for fights, looking for opportunities to be "outraged" or "offended."<BR/><BR/>Hot, crude emotionalism provides the engine which powers and energizes the movement (and intimidates the lukewarm).<BR/><BR/>In America and Europe, where is this kind of stupid power? In which direction is it pointed?miklos roszahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05292185343015349536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139789609850077372006-02-12T18:13:00.000-06:002006-02-12T18:13:00.000-06:00How can a liberal society defend itself against il...<I>How can a liberal society defend itself against illiberalism?</I><BR/><BR/>Support those who share our values. Persuade, educate and, if necessary, deter those who do not.<BR/><BR/>Right now, support Denmark and buy Danish. The links, buttons, badges, banners and icons are referenced on my weblog:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.theisoughtproblem.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">The Is-Ought Problem</A><BR/><A HREF="http://www.theisoughtproblem.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">http://www.theisoughtproblem.blogspot.com/</A><BR/><BR/>If necessary, and only if necessary, punish those who actually act on their beliefs and harm "us" -- including harming those who share our values.Charles Chapmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00250638155676496381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139782859850294072006-02-12T16:20:00.000-06:002006-02-12T16:20:00.000-06:00I don't know why anyone should be surprised that b...I don't know why anyone should be surprised that being "on the side of the good" wins you hatred from those on the, er, <I>other</I> side.bearinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01604775667882945193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139779304709464302006-02-12T15:21:00.001-06:002006-02-12T15:21:00.001-06:00"Prudence"? "Self-regulate our free expression"? N..."Prudence"? "Self-regulate our free expression"? No,"<BR/><BR/>I agree. I also feel that it is not<BR/>necessary to throw gas on the flames<BR/>by adamantly asserting our right<BR/>to publish whatever we want, with<BR/>a, consequences be damned, attitude.<BR/><BR/>I know that is not is not spelled<BR/>out by those who are anxious to say;<BR/>"we told you so" about the threat<BR/>from Muslim extremism, but it is<BR/>rather implicit in the criticism<BR/>(suggestively) of those media outlets which have been restained or<BR/>intimidated.<BR/><BR/>With freedom comes responsibility,<BR/>and that caveat sometimes requires<BR/>those who are right in principle,<BR/>to use discretion in whether or not<BR/>they insist on that free exercise.Semanticleohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08854762144868298532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139779269312750682006-02-12T15:21:00.000-06:002006-02-12T15:21:00.000-06:00I remember being taught in grade school that Ameri...I remember being taught in grade school that America was the melting pot. All kinds from all over came here to forge a common American identity. That idea seems to have been replaced by the multicultural goal of everyone staying separate, becoming at best hyphenated something-Americans. <BR/><BR/>Bring back the melting pot, lest we leap from there into the fire.Bob Mitzehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08242704767503332050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139765289943735932006-02-12T11:28:00.000-06:002006-02-12T11:28:00.000-06:00The cartoon wars reveal the emptiness of far left ...The cartoon wars reveal the emptiness of far left dogma: that the US is deservedly the only Great Satan, and that other cultures behaving badly only do so because colonialism ruined them. <BR/><BR/>The Muslims are behaving badly today because of their 1400-year-old jihad against infidels, not because of colonialism, and we are paying tribute, just as we did in the Barbary Wars. The Danes are just another iteration of what they hate, and that is western (not American) values.<BR/><BR/>There were indeed <A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=376861&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source/" REL="nofollow">radicals</A> at the unity protest, but the BBC (out of sensitivity?) ignored that angle. And yet not one radical has been deported as Blair promised after the 7/7 bombings.<BR/><BR/>And so the newest "knife" is the protest against Valentine's Day. What will the world look like one ear from now? I hate to think.PatCAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03731945242398845044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139764708000475732006-02-12T11:18:00.000-06:002006-02-12T11:18:00.000-06:00Re: "...verbal threats of violence without accompa...Re: <I>"...verbal threats of violence without accompanying plans or credible threats, must be allowed if we are to continue practicing the good of freedom of expression."</I><BR/><BR/>Really? Who says? Are we to permit a man to threaten to kill his wife so that he might come to see the error of his ways? Must we allow thugs to promise to burn down embassies in order for them to marvel at our patience?<BR/><BR/>Sorry mary, but leading by example only carries one so far. Once a situation has already devolved into violence, the time for that has passed. These actions cannot be overcome by peaceful resistance. Failing to recognize this fact is to recommit the errors of the 20th century.<BR/><BR/>The western press, and responses like mary's, are self-defeating. They capitulate, and thus reward violence and threats of violence. These new fascists learn that violence works, because you let it.Pogohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15303347500532938816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139764118246789772006-02-12T11:08:00.000-06:002006-02-12T11:08:00.000-06:00Follow up:I should be clear here that I believe pe...Follow up:<BR/>I should be clear here that I believe people should be prosecuted, or called on if you will, for their "actions" not their thoughts or beliefs.<BR/><BR/>Violence should not be tolerated, but verbal threats of violence without accompanying plans or credible threats, must be allowed if we are to continue practicing the good of freedom of expression.<BR/><BR/>Sure it's hard not to overreact, but sometimes you have to let the light shine on ugly words so others in the marketplace can properly evaluate stances. <BR/><BR/>Also, there is always the hope that people can change, even protestors carrying ugly signs who in time may come to realize the emptiness of their position.Maryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02021039256079243778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139763509716274512006-02-12T10:58:00.000-06:002006-02-12T10:58:00.000-06:00"When confronted with large numbers of people who ..."When confronted with large numbers of people who won't agree with our idea of the good, what can we do?"<BR/><BR/>Maybe keep on practicing good, and its inherent worth will win you followers? <BR/><BR/>For example, you have been fairly adamant about your position in respecting people whose religious views are not tolerable of homosexual "rights". At first, I questioned that, thinking a person must confront openly such attitudes and call them on their beliefs. Lately I've realized, some people, because of their ages, upbringings, religious beliefs or whatever, are not going to change. <BR/><BR/>But maybe their children, always observing the culture and perhaps seeing the "good" being practiced, will have different attitudes. To me, this is where you maybe can win -- in the next generations.Maryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02021039256079243778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139762162752246962006-02-12T10:36:00.000-06:002006-02-12T10:36:00.000-06:00Me mine. Be my Valentine's Day repository.Me mine. Be my Valentine's Day repository.Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04914796498044386634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139761974247779182006-02-12T10:32:00.000-06:002006-02-12T10:32:00.000-06:00I posted an admittedly cruder, but similar comment...I posted an admittedly cruder, but similar comment today and yesterday as well. All we have to do is look at the entire American(?) media, INCLUDING THE BLOGS, all of whom refuse to publish the cartoons under various excuses (I did not refuse to publish them), all of the pathetic excuses amount to the same thing: "I don't want any trouble." I pointed out that on the same day that the New York Times announced their sensitivity toward the Muslim religion as reason for not publishing the cartoons, they published the most obscene anti-Christian painting any of us have ever seen (I published that one too). Why? Because Christians won't riot, won't burn down the Times Building, won't kill the liberals. <BR/><BR/>What you leave out of your piece is the proposition: Violence Works. It works every time in our society. We have a history of allowing mob violence as a means of self expression, the most recent that I am familiar with is Blacks burning and destroying campus newspapers every time something they don't like is printed.<BR/><BR/>Liberal America is a nation of cowards, standing for nothing in particular other than getting along with everyone. Until it is too late and it may be approaching the time when it is too late. Ask not for whom the bell tolls....Howardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17094289894120872270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139761444253918572006-02-12T10:24:00.000-06:002006-02-12T10:24:00.000-06:00oh no, I's got fecal matter on my penis. Laura, c...This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04914796498044386634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1139760659068176172006-02-12T10:10:00.000-06:002006-02-12T10:10:00.000-06:00I'z got a great big penis.This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04914796498044386634noreply@blogger.com