LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't think they need any more attention than what they've already received. Recognition like this will still play into their hand.

I do agree with that, but I think at the current moment is roughly the peak of attention they're likely to get anyways, between the failed self-Commend and WA-wide tgs (and a whole heck of a lot of recruitment).That and 4 days of extra attention is a small price to pay for the eventual destruction of the region.

This "Liberation" sounds more like an occupation of those who DARED OPPOSE AND LEAD THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE ALL-MIGHTY POWERFUL WA AND DARED BE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEFEATING THE BAN ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This "Liberation" sounds more like an occupation of those who DARED OPPOSE AND LEAD THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE ALL-MIGHTY POWERFUL WA AND DARED BE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEFEATING THE BAN ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

*Spits on the document.*

I honestly don't care about their position on that, the proposal was doomed to fail regardless. I'm significantly more concerned about the region being openly fascist and engaging in mass recruitment.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This "Liberation" sounds more like an occupation of those who DARED OPPOSE AND LEAD THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE ALL-MIGHTY POWERFUL WA AND DARED BE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEFEATING THE BAN ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

*Spits on the document.*

I honestly don't care about their position on that, the proposal was doomed to fail regardless. I'm significantly more concerned about the region being openly fascist and engaging in mass recruitment.

Lord Dominator wrote:I honestly don't care about their position on that, the proposal was doomed to fail regardless. I'm significantly more concerned about the region being openly fascist and engaging in mass recruitment.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This "Liberation" sounds more like an occupation of those who DARED OPPOSE AND LEAD THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE ALL-MIGHTY POWERFUL WA AND DARED BE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEFEATING THE BAN ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!

Eternal Lotharia wrote:What I find funny, is that you are targeting Fascist States.

Does the WA not allow Fascism?

It does, we (speaking more about Gameplay here) just don't really like them and generally try to shove them off the site/discourage them when possible.

I'm against neo-liberations, especially when they're championed by allies of North Korea. I'm not joining the "it's ok to be oppressive as long as you're not a fascist" bandwagon. I don't like the CCD, but it ain't enough to make me support this resolution.

Lord Dominator wrote:It does, we (speaking more about Gameplay here) just don't really like them and generally try to shove them off the site/discourage them when possible.

I'm against neo-liberations, especially when they're championed by allies of North Korea. I'm not joining the "it's ok to be oppressive as long as you're not a fascist" bandwagon. I don't like the CCD, but it ain't enough to make me support this resolution.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm against neo-liberations, especially when they're championed by allies of North Korea. I'm not joining the "it's ok to be oppressive as long as you're not a fascist" bandwagon. I don't like the CCD, but it ain't enough to make me support this resolution.

Point of information, but I'm certainly not an ally of North Korea

I'm not accusing you, but I'm guaranteeing that NK allies will get behind this despite the fact that they're also an oppressive ideology. They're also just as bad, but won't be targeted by resolutions like this.

I'm not accusing you, but I'm guaranteeing that NK allies will get behind this despite the fact that they're also an oppressive ideology. They're also just as bad, but won't be targeted by resolutions like this.

We oppose to this. A liberation will not work at all for this kind of purpose. If you sought to make them more vulnerable to raiders, that would not work due to the presence of an executive founder.If you want to condemn them for their ways, draft a condemnation.

Well, their first draft at a self commendation was based on the fact they're the largest region of fascists. Now, I don't know exactly how true that boast is but I can very easily get behind the liberation and hopeful eventual invasion of the region. Yeah, it makes their position as a region more precarious, they're self proclaimed fascists and there's a few hundred nations (although no idea how many actual unique players calling it their first home) in there.

Yup. Full support.

EDIT: I of course appreciate the view that such regions don't deserve any attention, positive or negative - however in all seriousness disruption and removal of such communities has been found to have a positive effect on the community as a whole. It makes it harder for them to promote their - for want of a better word - ideology and those who leave or are ejected from that small sub group suddenly find themselves in an area where their views aren't accepted or reinforced by others. As far as I see it, attempting to stop fascists from congregating in areas online is simply good housekeeping.

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As an editor I seam to spend an awful lot of thyme going threw issues and checking that they're no oblivious errars. Its a tough job but someone's got too do it!

Caracasus wrote:Well, their first draft at a self commendation was based on the fact they're the largest region of fascists. Now, I don't know exactly how true that boast is but I can very easily get behind the liberation and hopeful eventual invasion of the region. Yeah, it makes their position as a region more precarious, they're self proclaimed fascists and there's a few hundred nations (although no idea how many actual unique players calling it their first home) in there.

Yup. Full support.

EDIT: I of course appreciate the view that such regions don't deserve any attention, positive or negative - however in all seriousness disruption and removal of such communities has been found to have a positive effect on the community as a whole. It makes it harder for them to promote their - for want of a better word - ideology and those who leave or are ejected from that small sub group suddenly find themselves in an area where their views aren't accepted or reinforced by others. As far as I see it, attempting to stop fascists from congregating in areas online is simply good housekeeping.

Thing is, once a WA resolution is passed regarding them it's impossible to ever really remove them, even if the region is destroyed the WA resolution is here to stay. Even a repeal wont change that.As it is we're preserving it.

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Caracasus wrote:Well, their first draft at a self commendation was based on the fact they're the largest region of fascists. Now, I don't know exactly how true that boast is but I can very easily get behind the liberation and hopeful eventual invasion of the region. Yeah, it makes their position as a region more precarious, they're self proclaimed fascists and there's a few hundred nations (although no idea how many actual unique players calling it their first home) in there.

Yup. Full support.

EDIT: I of course appreciate the view that such regions don't deserve any attention, positive or negative - however in all seriousness disruption and removal of such communities has been found to have a positive effect on the community as a whole. It makes it harder for them to promote their - for want of a better word - ideology and those who leave or are ejected from that small sub group suddenly find themselves in an area where their views aren't accepted or reinforced by others. As far as I see it, attempting to stop fascists from congregating in areas online is simply good housekeeping.

Caracasus wrote:Well, their first draft at a self commendation was based on the fact they're the largest region of fascists. Now, I don't know exactly how true that boast is but I can very easily get behind the liberation and hopeful eventual invasion of the region. Yeah, it makes their position as a region more precarious, they're self proclaimed fascists and there's a few hundred nations (although no idea how many actual unique players calling it their first home) in there.

Yup. Full support.

EDIT: I of course appreciate the view that such regions don't deserve any attention, positive or negative - however in all seriousness disruption and removal of such communities has been found to have a positive effect on the community as a whole. It makes it harder for them to promote their - for want of a better word - ideology and those who leave or are ejected from that small sub group suddenly find themselves in an area where their views aren't accepted or reinforced by others. As far as I see it, attempting to stop fascists from congregating in areas online is simply good housekeeping.

Thing is, once a WA resolution is passed regarding them it's impossible to ever really remove them, even if the region is destroyed the WA resolution is here to stay. Even a repeal wont change that.As it is we're preserving it.

True, it is a very tricky balancing act and I do respect your position on this. However I would argue that it might be worth having the resolution on the books as the resolution itself isn't creating a set safe space for fascists.

As an editor I seam to spend an awful lot of thyme going threw issues and checking that they're no oblivious errars. Its a tough job but someone's got too do it!