Oliver Stone & Mel Gibson Should Hang Out

Oliver Stone stepped in shit over the weekend when he blurted out the infamous “The Jews control everything” line during an interview with the London’s Sunday Times. The director also backed up his favorite pet theory that poor “Hitler was a scapegoat.” Via The Huffington Post:

“Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein,” Stone said (via The Telegraph). “German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support…
“Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than [to] the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed].”
The reason few people know this, according to Stone?“The Jewish domination of the media,” he said. “There’s a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

Not wanting to join everyone’s favorite fiery fellatio demander in Hollywood Jail, Oliver Stone has since walked back his remarks:

“In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity – and it was an atrocity.”

Of course, it should be noted Oliver Stone was under direct pressure from the Anti-Defamation League which kind of proves his point doesn’t it? because they deserved an apology please don’t make me go back to Applebee’s. I’ll be good.

One messed up dude. Stone’s father was Jewish and his mother a Roman Catholic of French birth, and he was raised an Episcopalian as a compromise. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone#cite_note-2. Better quote I guess would be (with apologies to Pogo), I’ve met the enemy and it is me. Or maybe its simply Freudian (Oedipus complex and all that). Who knows (and who cares).

Why is he messed up? Please read his first statement. Do you still have “Freedom of speech” in America ? When someone starts to criticize the Jewish establishment on whatever he/ she is directly blamed to be a anti-Semitic. Well here a jewish descendent is critizing them, so this usual denunciation practise won’t work.

There is some truth to what stumbled out of his mouth. I’m not trying to say that Jews control the media, or finance, because that shit is just not true and to say such is irresponsible and reeks of anti-semitism. But there are a number of wealthy Jews out there in positions of power. The guy also retracted his statement pretty damn quickly, so, doesn’t that say something as to the pressures to do so? And as far as US Foreign policy and Israel, don’t get me started. It’s a shitty situation for both groups–a situation of two displaced peoples really. But most of what’s shown is suicide bombing and acts of terror, not the bull dozers demolishing Palestinian homes in Gaza. Should you commit acts of terror because someone takes your home? Of course not. Would you be pissed as fuck? Well…yeah, especially when the western world turns a deaf ear. And for all those that wish to comment, please don’t unless you are seriously informed (or unless you just want to drop a nice joke to lighten this shit up).

Oh, and he is right about shear numbers of lives lost. Where he was wrong was to use the word “damage”. Yes, more Russians lives were lost, but the “damage” that the Holocaust did to the Jews was far deeper than something as quantitative as death toll.

“Palestinian homes in Gaza. Should you commit acts of terror because someone takes your home? Of course not.”

Sorry, here is where you loose me. If ANY group came illegally by all accounts and forced me from my home I would be the first to fight back. You seriously wouldn’t?
…and what you call “terrorism” would be a TRUE act of war, whether officially declared by my government or not. Ain’t semantics a bitch?

yeah, 6 mil lives lost vs. 20 mil… geepers, we know who wins this contest dont we? because 6 million sure IS worse than 20 million. what a fucking retard. so what your saying is, those 14 million other russians that were killed, those human lives, are worth less than the jews that were killed? just trying to understand

Whoa! What he said is factually true! The Soviets lost 30 million people in the war against Germany and the Germans were more than happy to kill Slavic civilians (Hitler thought that the Slavs were slightly less horrible than Jews and were essentially squatting on land that belonged to Germans).

Also, as far as the horrors of the Death Camps– 11 million people were murdered there, that means 5 million non-Jews. The holocaust was a horrible thing that was done to Jewish people AND a LOT of other people, too. I don’t think that there is anything malicious in presenting the holocaust and german atrocities from a Jewish perspective; it’s up to other groups to be sure their stories are told, too.

Nazi atrocities against all former Soviet countries, including Russia, are well documented – but also too forgotten for many people. Russian atrocities against Ukraine are largely ignored, even though they are every bit as horrible as what the Nazi’s did.

There are key differences between these acts, the largest of which is: the camps were built specifically as part of the “Final Solution.” What was the problem that needed solving? Jews. Were the camps used for other groups? Absolutely, and terribly. Catholics, homosexuals, gypsies, etc. were all herded up and sent to Buchenwald, Dachau, Aushchwitz, etc.

but the camps were built to exterminate Jews, primarily. That’s the biggest difference.

Did Nazi’s round up Russians and torture and/or kill them en masse? Many times. The Nazi’s were animals,

But they reserved their greatest hate for Jews. Period. Russians weren’t exterminated in the same systematic way that the Jews were. Most Russian, Ukranian, etc. deaths were from the war. Starvation, disease, direct casualties of bombing/shelling/etc.

When Stone says that the Jews “control everything,” that’s when he tips his National Socialist apologies. I don’t know why Socialists hate Jews. I can’t figure it out, especially since Marx and many other key “thinkers” in the Socialist movement were Jewish by birth. But they are. Whether National Socialists or International Socialists, anti-semitism seems to be a large part of their repertoire.

He apologized for his clumsy wording which over-generalized the situation and somehat implied that there is some sort of central jewish organization that implements this “control” – that’s the old straw man used to discredit anyone who points out inordinate jewish representation in the media, for better or for worse.

Ummm, well, prol not a good idea to offend the very lobby groups that can/will make things very hard for him if he doesn’t. I once apologized to my mom for sneaking cookies into my room but do you really think my apology was sincere? Was is “racist against moms”? Is that why I apologized? To be non-anti-Semetic one must be PRO-Israel? Is that how it works?

He is ssaying that Jewish influence in the media (which is a fact) has led to a bias American population which is easily swayed by a pro-Israel US government. You seen many mainstream (ie. widely viewed) movies (his industry of which he is speaking) about the Holocaust (capital H as I want to not offend any Jewish lobby groups) which does not center on the impact on the Jewish population? Gee, I wonder why? Oh, am I racist against Jews now too? Or am I allowed to voice my opinion that is decidedly NOT PRO-Israel, NOR ANTI-Israel: simply objective.

“They ask for an apology”
…more like drag you to court and/or blacklist you.

“And FYI… Russians were actually engaged in a declared war against Nazi Germany, Thats what makes it different.”
…Civilians don’t go to war, they get sent to war when the “government” declares war. Russian civilians did not go willingly and were shot if they “declined”. And we all know what happened to the Russian people after the war: more good times.

The difference is:
– Russia was a warring nation
– Jewish folks are a religious sect

It may sound like simple semantics, but when you kill people in a warring country it’s a casualty of war. When you go after a distinct religious sect with the intent of extermination, that’s genocide. There’s a big difference.

You’re a dangerous idiot because you don’t know much about history. It was the Sowjet Union first of all and the Nazis started a genocide against the Slaws with the intent of extermination. Read a history book.

Russian Civil War ended in 1921, with the SOVIETS winning — thus becoming the Soviet Union in 1922. Andrea you are a dumb fuck. Kill yourself and never make a post again. Stop thinking you are smart bitch.

Hey Carlos – You ask, “Why is it when someone says something negative against a Jewish person, they are condemned?” Because when someone says something negative about a Muslim person, they are killed. It is safer to bash Jews. That is why cowards do it.

I see my neighbor being picked up only to hear from him again in the news, he’s been killed execution style, I see bodies dumped all over the city, beheaded, mutilated, executed. I hear gunshots almost every night. My country is at war, for all the f**d up reasons people go to wars.

I come here to sort of forget about that you guys get all worked up and engage in heated debate about the scars your wars have left you, I am sure that was not Fish’s purpose when he posted this note.

This site is for being silly, have fun, joke around.We got enough of the other things in everyday life.

where the fuck do you live that you see this daily? and if its in the middle east, why arent you out there being a good human and executing as many shitstain muslims as you can? and if youre muslim, how did you find time to stop molesting boys, barnyard animals and dogs to find time to make a post?

Historically, Jews sort of started Holywood. Quite natural it still feels like a family business in a way, hardly a generation later.

Jews in WW2 were citizens of European countries, stripped off whatever they own (quite a lot in many cases) and sent to death camps.

As for the Anti-Defamation League, they sure are annoying at times. But as someone who’s father has a serial number tattooed on his arm and all of his family killed, i can understand why that generation tends to be less patient about things.

I understand too. I’m not Jewish but grew up in the 50’s in a poor section of Manhattan with a lot of Jewish friends and neighbors. The memory of The Holocaust was ever-present in the atmosphere. I don’t agree with Foxman (ADL President) on a lot, but I feel that I understand him.

Saw a great documentary recently via Netflix instant watch called Defamation, by an Israeli filmmaker. He interviews Foxman, etc. When it ended I sat there and cried for about an hour.

I love how in today’s twisted society, you can say whatever ignorant crap you want about Christians wherever you want to say it, but when you step on a Jew’s toes, it makes you a bad person. Ironically, this ridiculously blatant double-standard lends support to the theory that Jews control the world.

I see my neighbor being picked up only to hear from him the next day on the news, he’s been killed execution style, the police is not called because who knows? maybe they’ll come for you for being a snitch. I see bodies being dumped on the street, beheaded, mutilated, executed. I hear gushot every night and sometimes during the day. My country is at war, for all the f**d up reasons people go to war.

When you guys get this serious it’s hard not to think about what I came here to forget. This site is for being silly so have fun, joke around, we got enough of the other things in everyday life.

that would be Indonesian muslim terrorist, dumb ass (or like someone else said here…shitstain muslim) ..and Evangelicals arent the only ones that think that. Most of the rest of us do as well, minus the anti-christ part.

Any Given Sunday, World Trade Center.
Good point though, although I’m sure that even he wouldn’t argue that he is a lefty. The point is not that we can’t have agendas, it’s just a matter of whether we should be allowed to point it out or not without being blacklisted. Besides, his “leftist” movies are more about humanity rather than pursuing leftist international relations. Case in point: is “Born on the 4th…” about a patriot or a subversive? The answer: that’s the whole point of the movie really, to raise those kinds of questions that don’t have simple answers.