czetie:Hoboclown: "Memento"If he can't store new memories how does he know he has anterograde amnesia?

Did they somehow miss the entire part of the movie where he says he takes pictures and tattoos himself to remind himself of new things he learns?

Yes. In particular they missed the tattoo that says "Remember Sammy Jankis", as a way of reminding himself that he has the same condition that Sammy had.

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Minority Report"Like many time travel films, movies surrounding future timelines and predictions tend to be ripe with plot holes. "Minority Report" is no different, with the precogs predicting a future -- or at least future intentions -- that never comes to pass.

The author is screwed in the head on this one. The whole POINT of the movie was that the precogs weren't 100% perfect, and because of that the whole pre-crime concept was flawed, prone to abuse by people in power, and doomed to fail.

Yes. And the whole point of the source short story by Philip K. Dick was the inherent paradox of a prediction about the future that could change the future -- and not the tedious, well-worn technical paradox but the much more interesting moral paradox of punishing somebody for a crime not committed.

Xanlexian:They sure picked some pussies for such a mission. "Does the unexplained frighten you?" If you answer 'yes' on the questionnaire, you ain't going on the mission. Lots and lots of holes/bad acting in the movie. But I thought the underlying story was fascinating.

Yeah that bothered me. that guy had no business being hired. Also the biologist who thinks walking up to an alien life form, the first live one ever discovered and trying to pet it, was pretty stupid of anyone with even a couple years training.

What bothered me the most was how they jumped to conclusions with little evidence.

They left maps = they engineered us? WTF? how to you get to that?The black goo is changing people = Biological weapons facility. huh?

czetie:Frankly the Matrix would have been a much scarier prospect if they had discarded the whole "living batteries" thing and admitted that the machines were running the Matrix purely for their own perverse pleasure. Since they have "a form of fusion" they have more power than they know what to do with, so they entertain themselves with a human-powered MMORPG. What they want from humans is something only they can provide: imagination.

/No, I didn't see any of the sequels, so go easy on me if that was actually the plot in the subsequent movies.

I always thought they should have said they needed participants of the Matrix to write code for the Matrix in order to preserve it. The common line like Humans are the only thing with the capacity for imagination in order to resolve new issues, and that they needed an entire society of people in order to obtain the amount of people capable of dealing with the problems without even knowing. Sadly, they didn't. But the sequels didn't go into it any further so if you were okay with the initial premise then you could continue. Until the third one suckitude at least.

Also, many of the supposed "holes" (such as the list RLM spins off) are not really holes; just things that weren't explained. I like movies where everything isn't spelled out -- like why were the holographic aliens running into the room? That's not a hole; that's a mystery; which is a good thing. Just because the goo wasn't explained doesn't make it a "hole".

Memento: If he can't store new memories how does he remember he has anterograde amnesia?

In real life people with this condition can remember simple things if they're constantly repeated, like the fact that it's been X years since they got sick, or to look in a certain notepad to see what they should be doing, etc.

The All-Powerful Atheismo:Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?

Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.

Alternate explanation: the entire film takes place in Kane's mind as he's dying (a "life flashing before your eyes" kind of thing). So, the reporter's ultimately fruitless search for the meaning of "Rosebud" is a metaphor for the fact that nobody, not even his closest friends and associates, ever really knew Kane.

The environment was destroyed which meant that surface temperature would go from far below zero to absurdly hot daily. Nuke power usually relies on some system of water for coolant and the NRC maintains that if water temperature is above 70 degrees F then problems could arise with the obvious result. Not saying that your theory is debunked, but this could be a logical reason why. There are other methods of cooling, I'm just not familiar with how they relate to current environments like water does.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.

Tony Scott committed suicide so it feels kind of icky to discuss plot holes in Prometheus, doesn't it? At least, to me.

ThatBillmanGuy:After being in the military myself, I think how stupid it was that the entire battle plan was "Let's send a bunch of F-18s to shoot missiles and hopefully blow up a 15 mile diameter object..." instead of "Let's first use stand-off tactics and launch some harpoons from some cruisers and destroyers several miles away to see if they have any effect, and THEN use close range fighters..." or something less stupid.

That bugged me too, but not as much as the whole "Hey, 95% of our planes are F-18's because that was all the CGI company at the time really knew how to do."

/Yes, I know there are a few F-14's in there in like 2 scenes for a split second//If you're gonna put out massive damage on a large object without nukes in an environment hostile with enemy fighters wouldn't you go for A-10's?

Arkanaut:The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.

The same way a chestburster turns into a full grown xenomorph without eating anything.

puckrock2000:The All-Powerful Atheismo: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?

Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.

Alternate explanation: the entire film takes place in Kane's mind as he's dying (a "life flashing before your eyes" kind of thing). So, the reporter's ultimately fruitless search for the meaning of "Rosebud" is a metaphor for the fact that nobody, not even his closest friends and associates, ever really knew Kane.

Orson Welles? Use metaphors in his film making? NOW who's grasping at straws!

zarberg:ThatBillmanGuy: After being in the military myself, I think how stupid it was that the entire battle plan was "Let's send a bunch of F-18s to shoot missiles and hopefully blow up a 15 mile diameter object..." instead of "Let's first use stand-off tactics and launch some harpoons from some cruisers and destroyers several miles away to see if they have any effect, and THEN use close range fighters..." or something less stupid.

That bugged me too, but not as much as the whole "Hey, 95% of our planes are F-18's because that was all the CGI company at the time really knew how to do."

/Yes, I know there are a few F-14's in there in like 2 scenes for a split second//If you're gonna put out massive damage on a large object without nukes in an environment hostile with enemy fighters wouldn't you go for A-10's?

A C-130 pushing a daisy-cutter out of the back about 10,000 feet above one of the city destroyers would have been bad assed.

People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not ...

I know it's hard, but it's time to put down the bong, son.

I get the continuous line bit, but you aren't walking when you time travel so if your ant got turned around and the line was all over the map the you just wound up in outer space.

thecpt:Also...Thats the one you pick from the dark knight. RLY? Not the sonar cell phone that was suddenly in everybody's phone and could communicate in real time to a master unit which then instantaneously went to goggles? Which Batman preferred to wear for absolutely no reason during the fight with the Joker, in which Batman is supposed to have trained fighting badies exclusively in darkness?

I love that movie, but I cringe every time that scene starts.

The climax is just incredibly contrived. Joker's planning something, it's got to do with the rico prisoners- let's put them all in one place. Then again it is the government making that wild ass assumption and subsequent dumbass move.

I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one//can buy the energy argument in the first

Mugato:Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.

Not to mention that the robots, not needing air or life-friendly conditions to survive, could have just left the planet for mars or something at any point. When they revolted and formed their own nation (from the AniMatrix), they could have just left. When things started getting heated, they could have just left. Definitely when the sky was scorched and they had previously run on solar power, they SHOULD have just left.

Defeating humanity and then using humans as batteries is about the least sensible plan available.

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And as for Alien 3, the book explained that the drone aliens had in them the capacity to create one queen egg (at the cost of their life) for the survival of the hive (or I suppose creating new hives), and that there was a drone that snuck onto the shuttle and did just that.

How did Inigo know that the Man In Black's true love was marrying Prince Humperdink? The last time he saw the Man In Black, he didn't know who he was, why he was pursuing them, and Inigo ended up unconscious after getting beat in a swordfight. The Man in Black never tells him anything. The next time we see Inigo, he's stinking drunk, and once sobered up, knows that Humperdink is marrying The Man In Black's true love?

Where did Inigo gain this insight into the details of Buttercup and Westley's relationship?

EyeballKid:How does the guy who left the 300 Spartans before their final fight know what happened during said fight?

he doesn't. he was a storyteller, that's why leonidas sent him back to sparta. he knows that leonidas and his men all died, so he just told a story about how they all died, it didn't have to be factual, it just had to be emotional and dramatic so the people in sparta and greece would be willing to go to war against persia.

Rev. Skarekroe:Arkanaut: The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.

The same way a chestburster turns into a full grown xenomorph without eating anything.

Conservation of mass in the Aliens movies is just as troubling as the conservation of energy in the Matrix movies.

If only they went with something other than human batteries, the first matrix might be one of the most enjoyable sci fi movies ever.

nameofperson:I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one//can buy the energy argument in the first

I enjoyed the second one. I really enjoyed the twist at the end with the multiple iterations and such, and the big wtf moment where the robots fall dead out of the air had my friends and I speculating wildly about what was going on. It was a magnificent setup for what could have been a really great third movie.

Then the third movie decided to explain it with some type of Jesus powers which made no sense.

nameofperson:I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one//can buy the energy argument in the first

I completely agree with you. The second one is actually my favorite and not just for the immense action, but for the expansion about how programs abuse the Matrix and how it is constructed. The possibilities and cliff hanger ending are incredible and let your mind race. The third one is the complete let down, but people group the second with the first.

thecpt:Riotboy: Vickers picked the crew members and she wanted the mission to fail. She wanted her father to die so she could finally take over Weyland Industries.

No. That doesn't make sense. She could've killed them during transit somehow and nobody would've been the wiser because no one knew he was there (don't give me BS that David could have stopped her, she was supposed be good enough to figure something out). Plus Weyland picked the two main characters, and that guy was an impatient loose canon. Aka idiot.

Why would Vickers kill the crew knowing that Weyland is onboard the ship with his bodyguards overseeing the events through David? She knew what she was doing and almost succeeded.

justtray:I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.

Obviously earth, that was supposedly their base they didn't know it was a death trap, his mic was cutting out and the storm, it was because they saw movement on the other side, c-section girl is because future shiat, I can't explain the running to the side issue. I even said in the film, "run to the side tight ass chralize!!! Don't crush that ass!!!"

buntz:I don't know if this was explained or not but why would the Terminators keep going back to kill Sarah Conner or John Conner?

Why not go back and kill their grandparents? Or Great-grandparents?

Far back enough that it would have been easy to kill them and they wouldn't have the technology or weapons to fight back?

If the Terminators went back to 1880 or so, problem solved and a whole line or Conners are wiped out to boot!

My theory is that the farther back you go the more people in the future it affects. I mean say you go back to the 1800's and kill John Conner's ancestor. The problem is that dude might also be the ancestor of some senator or something who approves funding for skynet in the first place. Plus even in the first one they said that in the future records from before judgement day were super spotty, and pretty much all they knew was that John Connor's mom was a woman who lived in LA in 1984. Remember the terminator had to look her up in the phone book. I imagine trying to find info about John's grandparents or great-grandparents would be even harder.

Fark Me To Tears:FTFA: LimitlessOkay, Eddie; we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain, making you one of the smartest people on Earth. So why didn't you stop to consider another way of accumulating $100,000 to bolster your stock investments rather than borrowing it from a Russian mobster?

Being able to use 100 percent of your brain doesn't mean that you automatically gain a proportional amount of common sense to go along with it.

True, however his plans were all shiat from start to finish. He decided he wanted to make a lot of money. Borrowing from a mobster is a bad idea, but the bigger problem was that his final goal was not to become a self-made billionaire with his money spread around dummy corporations and fronts (which he could easily have pulled off, hell normal men do it), but to get a job at a big trading firm? A job which he didn't have enough of the drug to sustain? Why, if you are suddenly a super genius, would your big plan to be to make money hand over fist for someone ELSE, and receive a decent salary and a yearly bonus?

And then, after the drug became somewhat permanent at the end... why was he only running for Senate? Hell, at least run for President. I just don't get the plan of being a super genius so you relegate yourself to arguing with partisan morons for years.

burndtdan:nameofperson: I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one//can buy the energy argument in the first

I enjoyed the second one. I really enjoyed the twist at the end with the multiple iterations and such, and the big wtf moment where the robots fall dead out of the air had my friends and I speculating wildly about what was going on. It was a magnificent setup for what could have been a really great third movie.

Then the third movie decided to explain it with some type of Jesus powers which made no sense.

The first one was good because it was kind of ambiguous and made you think about things like philosophy and the meaning of things. The second one got rid of a lot of that (from what I remember) and just spelled it out and said this how it is. The third one was even worse and just said that Neo was Jesus. Plus the way they split the zion battle and the stuff neo was doing was really poorly done, and some of the dialog in the battle scene in zion seemed like it could have been rejected lines from a McBain movie.

moothemagiccow:CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.

Or they could shoot him in the future and send back a corpse to be disposed of.

mechgreg:buntz: I don't know if this was explained or not but why would the Terminators keep going back to kill Sarah Conner or John Conner?

Why not go back and kill their grandparents? Or Great-grandparents?

Far back enough that it would have been easy to kill them and they wouldn't have the technology or weapons to fight back?

If the Terminators went back to 1880 or so, problem solved and a whole line or Conners are wiped out to boot!

My theory is that the farther back you go the more people in the future it affects. I mean say you go back to the 1800's and kill John Conner's ancestor. The problem is that dude might also be the ancestor of some senator or something who approves funding for skynet in the first place. Plus even in the first one they said that in the future records from before judgement day were super spotty, and pretty much all they knew was that John Connor's mom was a woman who lived in LA in 1984. Remember the terminator had to look her up in the phone book. I imagine trying to find info about John's grandparents or great-grandparents would be even harder.

Butterfly effect.

In all 100% seriousness, if you want a great read that combines literature, speculation, a teensy bit of theory, and a lot of fun on time travel, read this:

In the first movie Kyle says the humans had basically already won and were knocking on the door of the last machine stronghold. My theory is the machines only had time to send two terminators to the past before the humans kicked in the door. I like to think the T 1000 was actually the main attack sent directly after John and that Arnold was the back up plan. The humans may have only had one reprogrammed Arnold at the time so sent that after the bigger threat the T1000. Why they only sent Reese after the first Arnold is anyone's guess. T3 was a fun movie but screws up too much about the first two to try to fit that into a cannon.

Also, many of the supposed "holes" (such as the list RLM spins off) are not really holes; just things that weren't explained. I like movies where everything isn't spelled out -- like why were the holographic aliens running into the room? That's not a hole; that's a mystery; which is a good thing. Just because the goo wasn't explained doesn't make it a "hole".

I did too, not sure why so many people have a problem with it. Looked awesome in 3-D too.

justtray:I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?

Earth

2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?This is just me speculating, but based on the fact that it was a change in atmosphere that caused the things in the room to activate, and the aliens wore helmets, I'd guess that their helmets were designed to not change the atmosphere, thus making the room simply a safe place for them to hide behind a big door.

3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?He was an idiot with a specialized education? Good question, but he seemed like an idiot to me.

4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?They got a readout of massive life signs outside the room, which made them reassess? Plus, again, idiots. I mean, one of them saw what best could be described as an alien cobra and wanted to touch it? Clearly a moron. Which, by the way, is the biggest plot hole for me, why a biologist would not recognize that he didn't know anything about this creature and that he was probably threatening it.

5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?Painfully. It's safe to assume that a futuristic medical machine that could do the procedure on its own would be capable of stitching her up fairly effectively.

6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?I would say it's semi-realistic to say a person who is panicked like that might get a bit of tunnel vision and not realize that such a simple solution existed. But really it's for dramatic effect.

czetie:fusillade762: How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?

People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not ...

That was awesome. Also, you are now "czetie (favorite: Time-travelling ant)

Uchiha_Cycliste:Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.

Looper had one glaring problem.

If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.

burndtdan:If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.

possibly a vagrant she always complains about. She could've easily died earlier in the story if one was malicious. Her finding gold and silver was an easy remedy for fixing a lot of other timeline problems

czetie:flaminio: Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Longer than 12 parsecs?

There was this horrible Star Wars book by Kevin Anderson (who can't hold a candle to Timothy Zahn) that tried to explain that away ...

Apparently the Kessel system has at least 1 black hole in it, and the Kessel Run involved delivering stuff to various locations all around this black hole. When Han said he made the run in less than 12 parsecs, it was a big deal because it meant he had to fly closer to the black hole than anyone else - I.E. everyone else didn't have the balls to fly close to the black hole and ended up flying much longer routes. The 12 parsec thing meant Han was right up against the event horizon.