It's not about if Serral is a bonjwa anymore, he's beyond that now. He's the GOAT of SC2 and it still feels like he's new to the scene. It's absolutely insane, I haven't seen anything like this ever. I didn't watch SC:BW anymore when Flash hit the scene, but it is talked about that JaeDong is a rival of his, right? how can he be so dominant and still have a rival like JaeDong, I think people are so stuck in the past they cannot see what magic is actually happening before our eyes.

Not saying Serral>Flash, but Flash is also above bonjwa status, some of the bonjwas of BW achievement lists are pretty weak, lets be real.

On September 09 2019 22:49 ejozl wrote:It's not about if Serral is a bonjwa anymore, he's beyond that now. He's the GOAT of SC2 and it still feels like he's new to the scene. It's absolutely insane, I haven't seen anything like this ever. I didn't watch SC:BW anymore when Flash hit the scene, but it is talked about that JaeDong is a rival of his, right? how can he be so dominant and still have a rival like JaeDong, I think people are so stuck in the past they cannot see what magic is actually happening before our eyes.

Not saying Serral>Flash, but Flash is also above bonjwa status, some of the bonjwas of BW achievement lists are pretty weak, lets be real.

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

But can we argue about him being GOAT?

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On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

But can we argue about him being GOAT?

It's still a little early for that, Serral needs another World Championship, a Code S or a significant amount of lesser Premier tournaments to enter the GOAT discussion; he's very close to top 5 now, in my opinion.

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

Reynor is actually a worthy rival of Serral, I think that what he is doing is absolutely insane but its not like he doesn't have rivals. Both Stats and Reynor have traded series with him.

Serral has rivals in head to head: Stats, Reynor, Innovation, probably Maru(soO and Neeb maybe not anymore).When it comes to achievements, only Maru can come close(in 2018, especially; if we add 2019, not so much).

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

Reynor is actually a worthy rival of Serral, I think that what he is doing is absolutely insane but its not like he doesn't have rivals. Both Stats and Reynor have traded series with him.

Serral has rivals in head to head: Stats, Reynor, Innovation, probably Maru(soO and Neeb maybe not anymore).When it comes to achievements, only Maru can come close(in 2018, especially; if we add 2019, not so much).

Ops O_O Thanks for the warning Harris1st

Even though I even got a friendly warning :p

Anyway, will be fun to see how the rest of tournaments this year turns out. Just because its been very predictable so far doesn't mean it will stay that way.

On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

Reynor is actually a worthy rival of Serral, I think that what he is doing is absolutely insane but its not like he doesn't have rivals. Both Stats and Reynor have traded series with him.

Serral has rivals in head to head: Stats, Reynor, Innovation, probably Maru(soO and Neeb maybe not anymore).When it comes to achievements, only Maru can come close(in 2018, especially; if we add 2019, not so much).

You're right, not saying bws definition of bonjwa should be the same as SC2 but it feels like some posters are saying Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa because he had a rival and that bonjwa meant that you stood alone at the top. All the while talking about Serral as if he doesn't have any rivals, he does have rivals. Not when it comes to results in 2019 that is true but its not enough to win the most, you are supposed to win and never lose during a certain period of your reign.

Serral is definitely the most dominat player we have ever had, a true genius at the game but if we are going to steal the bonjwas term from bw.... I don't think we can call him bonjwa at this point.

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On September 09 2019 22:56 Waxangel wrote:Okay I'm asking the 'bonjwa' argument to be shelved starting here (as forum mod), because I foresee the semantics arguments about the word becoming too vitriolic and derailed from this actual topic

But can we argue about him being GOAT?

That much I have to reluctantly allow as long as you don't get into personal insults against each other

Also I asked Serral how he feels about his PR placements solely to meme some of you regulars, and obviously, he gave me a polite, generic response (basically 'whatever')

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Serral is the best player in the world (partly helped because zerg is pretty strong) and people should admit as much. But he definitely is not close to being the goat, he doesn't have the quality of success for that. This statement is based on WCS being not worth nearly as much as events which allow most of the best players in the world to compete. While the "bonjwa" talk is not allowed because wax is very opinionated about it, i think that argument would make more sense overall.

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On September 10 2019 01:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:Serral is the best player in the world (partly helped because zerg is pretty strong) and people should admit as much. But he definitely is not close to being the goat, he doesn't have the quality of success for that. This statement is based on WCS being not worth nearly as much as events which allow most of the best players in the world to compete. While the "bonjwa" talk is not allowed because wax is very opinionated about it, i think that argument would make more sense overall.

Go start a new thread about relegislating its use in SC2! I'll enjoy the devolution into circular bickering and eventual closure, like every other time it's happened :'(

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So like any topic serral is part of you mean? It's always the same discussion, always the same "bickering" there as well regardless of any "bonjwa talk". You just don't like that topic, that's all

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