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"I will take heart that at least on this issue I seem to have finally gotten you to admit that the right wing propaganda machine was wrong in their trumpeting of the Jeff Sessions report"

I have no clue what point kwawk is trying to make here. The one I do know is we spent something close to a trillion dollars in 2011 on programs deemed to be welfare. A 32% increase in four years. Unsustainable under any tax rates. The financial reckoning that is coming is going to make all these money discussions look so small in hindsight.

DERP Part II is pretty funny, all the way around. Stones, glass house. Emperor, no clothes. All that stuff.

Tom, if you can ever figure out what kwAwk is trying to say, please let me know. He's so wrapped up in senseless leftie talking points and silly mantras like Corporate Personhood that there's just no telling. Meanwhile, let's take away the right of his precious unions to be "persons" and to make political ads, and listen to him scream in agony.

Just watched the Al Smith dinner speeches by Obama & Romney. Both were pretty good but Romney just seems so much looser. His joke that he (Mitt) has his wife Anne to lean on during this election and Obama has Bill Clinton was pretty damm funny.

Known leftist and union sympathizer Willard M. Romney explaining to the masses the position of leftists everywhere.

In any case, if you guys were more critical of your own news sources when they publish something stupid, ala the Sessions report on Welfare</> you would be rewarded with better quality news and commentary. If indeed better quality news and commentary is what you really want.

When MSNBC got taken in by the whole Gilligan and Stench thing, did I waste a moment trying to defend them? Ofcourse not.

Are you just pretending not to understand what Romney was saying about corporations, or are you really totally under the influence of the Koolaid? In the same sense exactly, unions are people, my friend.

you would be rewarded with better quality news and commentary. If indeed better quality news and commentary is what you really want.

They don't. They far prefer having their bigotry, resentment and feelings of persecution and victimhood reinforced. The con is very old and its techniques well-developed. Historically, the places it leads to are extremely ugly.

I'm not pretending to misunderstand what Romney said nor am I misunderstanding what he has said in actuality. His point is that corporations are merely fronts for people and as such they represent people.

My contention would be that the people who are organizing as corporations are inherently declaring themselves to be separate from that corporation. Thus from a legal standpoint the owners of the corporation would not be having their first amendment right violated by restrictions to giving to political campaigns.

My other contention is that a corporation is formed by submitting for approval articles of incorporation to the government for approval, a strictly legal document, and that since government is granting the right to exist of the corporation, government should know which rights and priviliges it meant for the corporation to have.

Well, "bigotry" encompasses a little more. Fact is, they don't want better quality news and commentary. They far prefer having their racism, homophobia, misogyny, class privilege, jingoism, resentment, and feelings of persecution and victimhood reinforced. The con is very old and its techniques well-developed. Historically, the places it leads to are extremely ugly ultimately horrific.

True enough. But unions were created to strengthen individual workers’ bargaining power vis-à-vis more powerful employers, while corporations were created to shield investors from personal legal liability. I’d be perfectly willing to outlaw union campaign contributions along with corporate ones if that were the deal; both are corrupting. But for all rightwingers whine about union campaign money, they’d never take that deal: corporations and business and industry groups vastly outspend unions.

Oh, my goodness! Look at all that utter crap crammed into one short phrase. What a nice summary of leftist imbecility. Thanks, Winston, for not wasting excessive bandwidth with one of your usual rambling and incoherent posts. Short and sweet. That's the way.

Poor, poor Winnie. You can't come up with anything remotely close to an intellectually credible insult. It would be so much easier if you could take in facts, process them, and then post something close to logical. I'm not holding my breath.

Here, out of sheer pity for you Winnie, due to your deranged and frantic need to find racism in everything and everyone regardless of whether it actually exists, I'll try to help. Here's a supply of your favorite word, all printed out and ready to go, Feel free to use them.