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Wednesday, May 15, 2013

Re: Re: [Peninsula-Patriots] PATRIOT ALERT: About as dumb-and Dangerous- as it gets...A set-up/provocation by the lefties

Ruth, Keith is right! This man is a loose cannon! Just IMAGINE the comfort enjoyed by the enemies of Freedom if ONE weapon gets discharged and somebody gets hurt, or worse! We need to steer clear of this. Or better yet, condemn it! How could anything good come of this?

John Paul

On 05/11/13, KeithEllenbergernnwifi.com> wrote:

Hello Ruth,

this march is a dumb idea! I hope all our members are smart enough to stay away from this.

For weeks we've been hearing about an armed march on the Capitol of the United States. Washington, D.C. is supposed to be the target of a "peaceful" protest with people marching with their loaded firearms. While I agree with the sentiment, let me just come right out and say this as simple and as blunt as I can say it: This is a very, very, very, very, very bad idea. It's also stupid. Let me explain.

First AdamKokesh, 31, is the man who began promoting the event. You can read a bit more about Kokesh and some of his ties here. While there are things I agree with him on, there is much I disagree with him about. He talks about nonviolence and I don't have any reason to not believe him in that regard, but he has no way of ensuring that violence will not erupt, especially when you consider that there are many, not all, in his audience that are clearly fringe anarchists. However, consider what is to take place and the ramifications of it.

First, Kokesh remarks in an update to the event, scheduled for July 4, 2013:

Now that it's undeniable that this is going to happen, allow me to make clear how. There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event. I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Failing to provide that commitment to safety, we will either be informed that we will only be allowed up to a certain point where we would be arrested. If this is the case, we will approach that point as a group and if necessary, I will procede (sic) to volunteer myself to determine what their actual course of action with someone crossing the line will be at which point fellow marchers will have the choice of joining me one at a time in a peaceful, orderly manner, or turning back to the National Cemetery.

OK, obviously he has not cleared things with DC law enforcement yet. I can tell you they will not allow an armed protest. It just isn't going to happen. Second, understand that when you go there, you will not only be arrested, but your firearm will be taken, you will be put in jail, you will be charged with a misdemeanor and since it is DC, following this, you will more than likely be unable to purchase a firearm legally again.

I have spoken with the DC police. They will not discuss their tactics for dealing with those coming, but they are aware of the protest. Chief Cathy L. Lanierhas stated that they will arrest armed protesters. That is not a probability. It is what they will do.

Kokesh says that if he gets 10,000 people on his Facebook event page to sign up by June 1, then he believes they can pull it off. He says he will march with just 1,000 actual attendees. Frankly I would genuinely be surprised if he gets 500 people.

Don't get me wrong here, I completely agree with the sentiments of Kokesh that the Federal government has become tyrannical. I completely agree, as I told the DC press spokesman over the phone, that gun laws in DC are unconstitutional. They violate the Second Amendment. However, what good is a protest if you never get to make it?

If you go knowing that you will be arrested, your firearm taken, and you are thrown in jail and fined, then have to face more travel charges to return to DC, what have you accomplished? Oh that's right, you stood up to "The Man," right? Good for you. In all reality, you accomplished nothing except to put yourself back a step.

My friends protests are meant to give voice against the opposition. What this event will do will simply silence those who go. It will accomplish nothing.

Our Founders protested the right way. Then when the tyrants came for their weapons, they stood their ground and faced their enemies, not peacefully, but with violence! Friends, the Scriptures teach us that we should seek to be at peace with all men. However, there comes a time when violence is the response, but that is a defensive posture, not a pre-emptive one. DC will take an armed march, no matter how peaceful you proclaim it, as a violent act of breaking the law (no matter how unlawful that law is). That's just the way it is and who will you actually be helping by going? I'll tell you. You'll be helping to fund the DC police department, the court system there and various petroleum providers, hotels and others as you will more than likely have to make a return trip back to Washington to appeal your case. Either that, or you'll help fund attorneys in DC to go on your behalf.

My advice about not going has nothing to do with being a coward. It has to do with being wise. Wise men don't go on a pilgrimage of this sort knowing they will never be able to accomplish what they set out to do. That is what I call being foolish!

Here's the thing though, for most people that talk a good game about armed marches on DC and how they would use their guns to repel tyranny, most of them can't bring themselves to vote outside a two party system or they simply vote for the "lesser of two evils." Friends, stop electing tyrannical representatives and men with no character and we will see peaceful revolution. We've been doing it the opposite way for years and we continue down the road of Socialism, not freedom.