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Interesting, but...http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Is OSNews just an advertising service now?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:09:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsFtp?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Sorry for the stupid question,
but we couldn't do de same with a ftp client?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:10:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsno , you couldn'thttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?For one iFolder doesn't sync the entire file , just the parts that have been changed . Really low-bandwith-friendly .Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:15:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsSimiashttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?One part I don't understand: the Simias source code is 64 MBs but it compiles in a 1 MB of actual program. Scary. Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:15:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolder is nicehttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I use iFolder for personal stuff, it's nice because it keeps a local copy of files for speed and offline use, and syncs to the server when it can. You can also access it via a web browser from other locations if needed.

The commercial version seems kinda picky about server URLs, etc... hopefully the open source (serverless I hear?) version will be a little more friendly.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:34:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsLook! Up in the sky....http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Very useful app.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:45:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRe: ftphttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?but we couldn't do de same with a ftp client?

Yes, in the sense that there is nothing we can do with a bulldozer that we couldn't do with a pick.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:08:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolder: It's all about Sharinghttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Well, make up your mind. Is it Flash demos
or is it viewing pleasure? It's not possible
for both to occur in the same place...Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:20:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsGood for laptop users?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Sounds like it might be a good solution for Linux laptop users who need the equivalent of Windows' "Make this folder available offline" feature. Yes, you could probably use rsync, but this sounds a bit easier for the business user who just wants to get work done in and out of the office.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:23:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Comments...http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Can someone tell me if the mac verion is mono based too?

and is not GTK#, does it mean it runs native components on the mac?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:26:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: ...http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?It probably is GTK#, in which case you will need X, GTK, its deps, GTK# and mono to run it. Hopefully it ain't so though.

There was some native Cocoa# work been done by an Apple engineer, but I think it's stalled atm.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:28:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentshmmmmmhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Well, the RPM on the iFolder site won't install on SuSE 9.2 ("A Novell Company" !!!) because of unsatisfied dependancies. There *is* an iFolder RPM included with SuSE, but it's only v0.10, whereas the iFolder site has version 3.0. I tried the older RPM, and the software was quite buggy; the UI was unresponsive and (get this) you can't dismiss the "about" dialog without first closing down the main application window. Rather sloppy.

more like "is a file sharing application for Linux and Windows, currently in development for Mac as well" or something to that effect. It really peeves me as a Mac user to hear "in development" mean "for Mac." That's just a historical thing.

Oh, and how likely is it to arrive for Mac, honestly? I thought Cocoa# was effectively dead?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:56:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsOh I get it now..http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Ok, so, mono is going to be a little controvertial as far as Microsoft goes, but in order to push this onto the Linux desktop what we'll do it attach killer application projects that require Mono, like Beagle and iFolder!

See, now everyone is happy to use mono.
:-sSat, 12 Feb 2005 01:59:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: Oh I get it now..http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?iFolder also works with the .NET framework, no Mono is needed under Windows.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:00:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: RE: Oh I get it now...http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?iFolder for Windows reports to ZoneAlarm that it's running as "Mono-XSP Server". Funnily enough, it also recreates a UNIX directory structure within its folder in Program Files.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:27:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentskind of like iDisk?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Basically this looks like it works like Apple's iDisk with .Mac. If anyone has used this they know its a wonderful feature, especially with latptops. I maintain 3 computers for myself. My iBook, my desktop and my work computer. When i'm on my iBook i keep the stuff i need everywhere to my iDisk and work off of that. Panther treats it like a seperate file system and it just syncs in the background (no, "Sync is done" messages in a task bar , so do the other computers, every hour or every file change. So when i'm at work, i just pop open the iDisk and there is my file for school. I print it and i'm done. Same at home. Its extremely seamless and really great to use.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:35:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: iFolder: It's all about Sharinghttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Gee, the current release according to the web site doesn't support workgroup sharing or sharing between multiple computers.
Kind of useless without that capability.
In addition, the requirement of .Net on Windows is just plain stupid.
Why would anyone want to run that monstroucity just to use one app?
And I wonder what the memory cost will be of using ifolder.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:17:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: Oh I get it nowhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Yep, that's pretty much the plan. Make it the killer app so everybody's got mono.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:18:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Comments...http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Yep, that's pretty much the plan. Make it the killer app so everybody's got mono.

And looks like they are on the right path, I can't waith to have beagle and iFolder in my NetWork.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:50:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsMacOShttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Hello,

The MacOS X client for iFolder is a native client.

Cocoa# is not dead, but it is not at the level of
maturity needed to write an application that must be
supported on the long run, it will still be changing in
the short term.

The upcoming version of Mono ships with Cocoa# by
default on MacOS XSat, 12 Feb 2005 05:56:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsSome noteshttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I've been an avid iFolder fan ever since I had the pleasure of using it. It's excellent for us folks out here doing most of the work on laptops. As in any IT company, personal backups are mythical procedures, performed only when we've got nothing better to do. This has led to a number of collegues losing data when their laptop went AWOL. OTOH, My wife's laptop had a faulty HDD, but once she received the new company laptop and installed the iFolder client on it, all she had to do was wait half an hour for the data to come back from the server and she was back in business.

iFolder in its current, non-open source 2.x incarnation, has a number of limitations:
-only one account active at any one time,
-only one directory branch per account,
-no sharing of data with other users unless you also share your account details,
-delta sync mechanism isn't very smart on Windows (Word files aren't delta-synced, because of the way Word saves the file)

With iFolder "Denali" they've done a couple of interesting things. First, the client bit has gone open source. Second, this client can do the old-fashioned client-to-server syncing, but it can also do peer-to-peer syncing.

Now, before anyone rushes off and downloads the iFolder o/s code it should be noted that the p2p bit is NOT working at the moment. The Novell folks have concentrated on the c/s code, as they need to have a functional iFolder client for the closed beta that's currently being done. Until they get back to the p2p bit you can use something called a SimpleServer to play with iFolder.

Anyone interested in iFolder should subscribe to the mailing list.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:22:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsThis is totally what linux needs (and Mac oS X)http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I can't way for this product. Seriously a sweet solution that is overdue on linux.

As far a mono goes I'm already sold on it since tomboy is pretty much a requirement for me in my life. No other program has simply become so useful for me without making an effort to make it so. Seriously a great program.

what about SUSE and Ximian?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:22:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsCool. Miguel lurks around herehttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Cool! Miguel de Icaza post a comment here!
Eugenia, will this comment qualify me for the comments prize?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:36:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsServer or Clienthttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Looking through the site and documentation has left me confused... Do you need the Server (iFolder 2.1?) and if not how does the client work on its own?

I use iDisk a lot and it's one of the best services I've ever tried but I want to extend it so colleagues on other platforms can use it too.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:38:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsUnison anyone?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?How is it different from this (I hope this wasn't already mentioned but I didn't see it =):http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

it seems to do much of the same but unison is GPL doesn't need Mono and additionally offers (as far as I see it iFolder doesn't unless you buy their server but I could be wrong) a command line client which is very useful for automatization and if you want to sync on a server (i.e. let it run on a server.

Has iFolder any important advantages?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:30:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRe: Unison anyone?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Well, for one, people know about the existence of iFolder ;-).

Unison people haven't really done too much marketing / mindshare grabbing attempts. Perhaps they should put up some sweet Flash animations and screenshots on their web page.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:24:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: Server or Clienthttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?The iFolder client can communicate with a central (commercial, non-open source) server in client/server mode, or with another iFolder client in p2p mode. That is, once it's ready. The p2p code isn't finished, though, so if you download it now, you need (a) an iFolder server (currently in closed beta), OR (b) the 'SimpleServer' which is freely downloadable.

Does this help?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:27:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsUnisonhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I'm using Unison at the moment, but I find I can hardly be bothered to sync on a regular basis, and when I do, it seems I have to recreate the Unison directory, which leads to some lengthy sync times. Also, the GUI part doesn't render correctly on many metacity themes, which is a pain.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:58:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolder's Mac OSX clienthttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Hi!

The iFolder client is split into two components a user daemon and the application itself. The user daemon is written to Mono/.NET and is basically the same on all platforms (Linux, Mac OSX and Windows). The user application is specific to each platform. On OSX the application is written against Cocoa and completely native. On Linux it's a mix, mostly GTK# and Mono and a small native piece for Nautilus integration. On Windows, Windows.System.Forms and .NET along with a small native dll for Explorer integration.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:05:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsno good arguments?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I haven't heard a good argument against FTP yet?

Isn't FileZilla EXACTLY the same thing?

You can resume damaged files or new ones?

You guys sure its not just an ftp client?Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:45:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsre: Bert Plathttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Hey can you give a link to this SimpleServer. I have searched high and low and can not seem to find it. I really want to test out iFolder, but because of the unfinished p2p, code as you mentioned, I need the SimpleServer that is not so simple to find.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:58:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolder SimpleServerhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Only available thru CVS.

Go to http://www.ifolder.com/software.htmlSat, 12 Feb 2005 17:40:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsre: Bert Plathttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?It is in CVS http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/cvs/cvsbrowse.php/ifolder/sim...Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:42:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentslooks nicehttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?can we have some debian packages for this?
no more need for samba, and nfs sharing with a mac didnt worked that well.
Had many trouble to copy some files from linux to OSX.Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:52:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRead their news section on that link.http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?It has an item posted 2/11/09, that's 4 years into the future and they still haven't finished the workgroup feature. I don't think I can wait that long, I'd better have a go using their SimpleServer Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:53:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsre: no good arguements against ftphttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?as someone who uses ftp extensively for when moving large amounts of data must happen as fast as possible, i would not consider ftp to be "good enough" to stop ifolder development or not use rsync.

rsync and ifolder are awesome when you have a large amount of data to keep in sync, but only minor changes happen to that data. with ftp the entire file must be overwritten when you want to update to reflect your changes. with rsync/ifolder (if done properly) only the parts of the file that are actually different now have to be pushed accross to the other machine.

with ftp there is always the possibility of the data stream having a bit error of some form (and yes, i have seen it happen, albeit very rarely). with rsync and ifolder (actually i am not 100% certain with ifolder, but i am pretty certain) the files and file peices are hashed and compared on both sides to ensure data integrity. the closest equivalent in the ftp world would be md5sums or sfv crc32 checks.

a case in point for rsync, one day i was trying to show a friend knoppix, it wouldnt boot because the disk was damaged. i had linux installed on my laptop and had a burner and a couple of blanks so i ripped an image of this damaged disk. i then used rsync to sync against a copy i knew was good on a server with a low end business package dsl connection. 128kbit/s upstream. rsync was done fixing my copy of the image file after about 20-25 minutes had passed. the internet connection i was on was nowhere near fast enough to download a brand new image that quickly (my friend was on a crap wireless internet service that gave low end residential 256 kbit/s half duplex service). ftp would never have been able to do that and even after doing the ftp i would still have had to check the md5sum to make sure everything was kosher with the image.

i dont know what all functionality ifolder is going to have when it is all said and done, but if it offers half the functionality of rsync only underneath a good gui, it will definately have a place on every system i own.Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:00:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsPeople are forgettinghttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?That you pretty much can get the same functionaliy and versioning with a good versioning server and an ssh tunnel into it and a client which hooks into the file browser.
You can achieve that with tortoise and svn or various clients and cvs.
IFolder in this regard is redundant.
I have been using this kindof functionality for a long time and have been thinking bout hooking friends into my SVN infrastructure (with tortoise and dedicated clients)Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:28:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRE: ifolderhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?The whole concept is interesting but dated, i have downloaded the latest client and tested a bit, albeit it has a very big downside, you must have the server, which is closed and only available with Novell Open Server betas.

You can use the SimpleServer, but you have to download it from CVS, play around trying to compile.

Is cool as new stuff from Novell, but i won't use it till p2p is done on client or an OpenSource server is madded available. This SimpleServer is not good unless it is easyer to compile or even packaged, it takes more time to fiddle around the source to compile it than downloading all the simias source from cvs.Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:50:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolderhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?I love how so many comments imply that iFolder is useless since Cryptic Command X can give you the same functionality. The whole point is that it's a lot easier than setting up a cron job to rsync a folder every once in a while. I've found a way to untar a file by using my tongue to connect leads on a serial cable in specific patterns, but I don't discount the utility of File Roller and its ilk. My method is far less pleasant. Personally, I'd rather click a few times using iFolder than hack together my own solution. The concept of being able to share changing files with other people has been around for so long that there's bound to be other ways to do it out there. The point is that iFolder is supposed to be better than those. You be the judge.

If you're comparing iFolder to FTP, you're either overestimating what FTP can do, of you haven't read what iFolder is supposed to do when it's finished.Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:35:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentsadvantageshttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?the advantages are:

- sync only file differences and not the whole file
- communication is done over HTTPS(no native Port required)
- on Windows you can use Novell NetDrive to map an iFolder as a "local" driveSun, 13 Feb 2005 11:57:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)Commentssamba anyone?http://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?does that mean it is a replacement for the samba project in any waySun, 13 Feb 2005 13:36:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsGreat for some games I thinkhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?If you can control how it sync's then for those mmo gamers that have wives and children playing and it's a pain to patch them all becuase of firewalls and such you patch one then sync the folders and files that get patched. I'm sure you can tell it to ignore any personal settings files locally on each pc.Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:27:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsRe:Simple Serverhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?Is simple server just available for Linux, or do they have plans to release it for windows as well?Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:49:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous)CommentsiFolder ... not newhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?
http://www.osnews.com/thread?iFolder is not a new product. Maybe the open-source version is (though the official release was a while back) but iFolder on Netware has been around for a couple years now (since NW6)

It works pretty well. The client is very easy to use (on Windows it really only asks you where the iFolder is on your current workstation during the installation), you just save all your files to that directory on your workstation and iFolder just takes care of it from there.

The process is mostly transparent to the user (you can see what's going on by clicking the systray icon, but otherwise you don't really know it's working)