Because journalism as we traditionalists think of it is essentially dead. What now passes for news is now little more than rumormongering , .

No kidding. I didn't believe it from the start because I woke up that day and I heard "anonymous source, favre texts he's done". It seemed like within 10 minutes, every network had this as the #1 story all day long. They interviewed it seems like 50 different atheletes, coaches and former teammates on the subject asking for their reaction and "can they believe it" all the while their source was an unnamed source.

ESPN wanted this to grow so it grew. Maybe they pay Favre a million dollars for fake retirements so they can run with it and jack up their ratings for a few days. That kind of news and ratings is worth so much money in ratings I wouldnt doubt it or that they at least have a policy to report misinformation for the sake of ratings. It was ESPN's only story all day long the first day and even after the story was refuted, it was still a story. On the bottom line, it showed the story was not accurate while the show was saying he's retiring. Just a big fucking media joke of misreporting and conflicting information. The story was obviously not accurate but they just go ahead with it anyway.

So if a reporter whose job is to inform public of sport related stories is STILL sticking to his guns is the liar??

If he and Glazer are wrong their CAREER is gone the tubes..

But if Brett lied he still can play and make millions..

That is my major issue the Brett supporters REFUSE to even admitt there is a chance Brett is lying..Even tho it has been proven time and time again with direct quotes from Brett showing he was lying...

People still say he doesnt lie

the reporters tweets defending himself

Quote:

# @SkolVikes26 Nope, he was saying he was told by teammates they had received the texts. 12:36 PM Aug 4th via TweetDeck in reply to SkolVikes26

* Reply * Retweet

#

Are you aware people lie each and every day. RT @TheRealAxelRod: @JuddZulgad Bottom line...you're saying Favre is a liar? 12:34 PM Aug 4th via TweetDeck

Yeah, Brett lied and it's obvious why. He was ready to call it a career and now the Vikings and their players have made him go back to the drawing board. We all say Brett can't make up his mind, he did and now the Vikings have convinced him to reconsider his decision. Irony?

Brett's going to lie about sending those texts and really, who could blame him? If he were to admit he sent them, the media would twist certain comments around to make it worse than it is.

If he simply lies, says no texts were sent, it's easier to get people off your back, in this situation.

Yeah, Brett lied and it's obvious why. He was ready to call it a career and now the Vikings and their players have made him go back to the drawing board. We all say Brett can't make up his mind, he did and now the Vikings have convinced him to reconsider his decision. Irony?

Brett's going to lie about sending those texts and really, who could blame him? If he were to admit he sent them, the media would twist certain comments around to make it worse than it is.

If he simply lies, says no texts were sent, it's easier to get people off your back, in this situation.

Yeah, Brett lied and it's obvious why. He was ready to call it a career and now the Vikings and their players have made him go back to the drawing board. We all say Brett can't make up his mind, he did and now the Vikings have convinced him to reconsider his decision. Irony?

Brett's going to lie about sending those texts and really, who could blame him? If he were to admit he sent them, the media would twist certain comments around to make it worse than it is.

If he simply lies, says no texts were sent, it's easier to get people off your back, in this situation.

It puts his teammates into a great situation. Now they're the liars.

And I bet they don't care, since none of them went on record saying Brett texted them he was finished. And even if its known who said he texted them, they probably don't care. Because, who's going to remember that in a year? Who's going to care once the first kickoff takes place in the regular season?

Brett probably even sent them texts apologizing for making them liars and then saying hope you understand. And I'm sure they do.

Brett lying, is not really a big story, not a big deal when you look at the large scope of things. Pick your battles and be there at the end to win the war.

After spending a few days in Minnesota, the events of the latest chapter in Favre's long-running soap opera now appear much clearer. Here is the story, from the inside.

Favre indeed sent text messages to teammates telling them he was forgoing his 20th season, citing his health as the reason. According to sources, while the texts seemed pretty convincing that he had made up his mind, the team wasn't letting their gunslinger slip off into the sunset without a fight.

In a two-pronged attack, the Vikings organization immediately jumped into action, offering him a much more lucrative package for this season and pleading with him to reconsider his decision. Simultaneously, veteran players immediately implored teammates to bombard Favre with texts or calls, asking him to give them one last shot at the Super Bowl.

As one source explained to me, Favre probably wasn't prepared for such an outpouring. When he left the Packers there wasn't much love, if any, from teammates asking him to reconsider. And there certainly wasn't any from Jets' players. But with this team, Favre was completely beloved, and for the first time, had an entire locker room figuratively pounding down his door like a husband begging his wife not to file for divorce.

"He's torn," said another member of the Vikings. "I think in his mind he was done, but loves the guys in this locker room and doesn't want to let them down. He didn't want to (come back), but I don't think he can say no to these guys. He's tortured."

what did brett lie about??

why is the source listed as you when the story is on MSN??

maybe if some of the packer players and executives acted in the same manner as the vikes, brett may have never left.

LT... I think the article speaks more of the later years of Brett in Green Bay than he is trying to retract the events of last week.

It reads very much like a locker room in Green Bay that was age segregated from Brett more so.. without the large presence of veteran players for Brett to "hang" with. The younger locker room didn't hold the same "love" for Brett that he needed / wanted..

what, i never got that impression, not at all. i think just the opposite, favre wanted to retire, his teammates on the VIKES felt without him they have no chance @ a Superbowl.

once it was evident his teammates and coaching staff really wanted him back, favre reconsidered coming back.

its really that simple...don't see why that is so hard to believe, and why some are so intent on smearing brett and make up how he lied about something

maybe if some of the packer players and executives acted in the same manner as the vikes, brett may have never left.

Two Words.

AaronRodgers

If you can't figure it out by now, you never will my friend. The Vikings have NO OTHER OPTION, therefore they HAVE TO KISS BRETT'S FEET. The Packers had a potential stud in the making waiting for his chance.

maybe if some of the packer players and executives acted in the same manner as the vikes, brett may have never left.

Two Words.

AaronRodgers

If you can't figure it out by now, you never will my friend. The Vikings have NO OTHER OPTION, therefore they HAVE TO KISS BRETT'S FEET. The Packers had a potential stud in the making waiting for his chance.

but it is fun to see the double standards that the Brett worshipers have and I LOVE to prove them wrong

I think you base people who like Favre on one or two people on this forum. Which is not the norm. I have never said he's perfect. My whole point is that why do people care so much about this - lets say he sent all these texts and then denied it - how is that affect anyone? I think its stupid for ESPN to have a special, for NFL Network to have a special, for every columnist in the country to come out with views as of all this stuff are facts, etc based on anonymous sources without hearing anything from Favre or the Vikings. I think thats careless.

I didn't know that Shanicoe saw the texts personally and went on the record and said that - source? If he did, I don't understand why these reporters couldn't have waited until a public source confirmed the news. Oh wait, they can't because they have to get the Tweet out there first.

If all of this is a coverup to ensure that Favre doesn't look like a liar about the texts, the Vikings are the most cohesive unit in the history of sports. This is how it would have gone down:

1) Favre texts teammates and calls Vikings organization on Monday night2) Favre plans a press conference or press release to retire2) Vikings organization immediately figures out who Favre texted and contacts them and tells them not to say anything to the press3) The next day, the players that got texts do not mention it to a lot of their teammates as I was watching on NFL Network and the reporter there said many of the players were geniunely shocked by the news that Favre retired4) Favre's family members in Mississippi come out and lie and say they didn't know a decision was made4) Childress comes out and lies to reporters5) Longwell, Hutchinson, etc. all come out and lie, including Longwell releasing the text in which Favre says I'm going to be on the next flight to Minny because Longwell found a pizza buffet or something - WOW, does Longwell not want Favre to look like a liar6) Favre talks to Maraccui Tuesday night, lies and says he has not decided yet7) Favre wakes up Wednesday morning and goes to Oak High School to throw a bit to ensure that everyone believes his lie that he hasn't made a decision - and subjects himself to the media8 ) Favre lies and says he didn't send texts that said he is 100% done

ALL of this lying to ensure that Favre does not look like a liar to the public? If you ask me, the truth is somewhere in the middle, like Favre was heavily considering retirement or whatever and it got blown out of proportion.

But overall, my point is the media is out of control when it comes to Favre - any journalistic integrity is thrown out. If it isn't from Favre or the Vikings, why does anyone (especially Packers fans) care? Either he'll be playing this year or not. Like what is the point of proving he lied about the texts or whatever, who cares. How do you know the Vikings didn't tell him "do not mention the texts" or whatever. It doesn't prove he's the anti-christ or whatever, it doesn't prove a darn thing!

Glazer's story is so high level, he doesn't get into any details. It didn't interest him at all about the lie? If these "sources" have already revealed all this to him, wouldn't they also release the conspiracy and say how the Vikings organization forced them to lie?

Overall, I don't care (as I think most people that like him don't) about how Favre acts off the field. For all I know he sent text pictures to a Jets cheerleader while married. I don't care. End result, I like how he plays on the field, its fun to watch, its entertaining, he gets you up out of your seat on Sundays and America LOVES to watch him - his games are consistently rated the highest. Thats why I watch sports, to be entertained, not to find a morally uncorrupt individual. This whole Favre lied about texts is a witchhunt that does not change a THING in the grand scheme.

So wrong, case and point - Schefter about the "Schism" which was clearly BS. Because they did an anonymous poll of the the big players on the team and not a single one of them said anything about anything against Favre. Most of them even came out of publically and called out the teammates that said there was a Schism. As far as I can tell, Schefter is still one of the top 3 analysts on the biggest sports network on the planet after that BS story. His source was like Jackson or Sage, how can you print a story without confirming it with Peterson, Hutchinson, Williams, Allen ,etc.

Then Ed Werder last year too, he's still at ESPN.

In this day and age, you can say or do whatever you want because of "team officials within the organization". And no one can ever prove you were wrong because the team officials "want to remain anonymous because the news is not public yet".

I do agree with the reader who challenged the reporter to show his source. That still has not been forthcoming. If these texts were actually sent and received, why doesn't someone have the balls to admit they personally received one?

I'm definitely beginning to lean toward the theory that this was a practical joke (perhaps at Shiancoe's expense) gone entirely out of control.

I do agree with the reader who challenged the reporter to show his source. That still has not been forthcoming. If these texts were actually sent and received, why doesn't someone have the balls to admit they personally received one?

I'm definitely beginning to lean toward the theory that this was a practical joke (perhaps at Shiancoe's expense) gone entirely out of control.

This is my whole point. Longwell makes up a text message he received from Favre joking about a pizza buffet so Favre can appear as he did not send out text messages to teammates? Why lie about all this. What is the motivation. You would probably get public symphathy if the "true" story went public that he was done but his teammates convinced him to come back.

If the Vikings organization is this GOOD at keep such a MEANINGLESS story under wraps, we as Packers fans should be worried. These guys are basically like family then in terms of chemistry and cohesiveness. They are willing to pubically lie (the coach, the GM, the players, etc.) just so Favre can pretend he didn't send TEXT messages.

I don't think this guy came out and said this without some kind of fire being there. I will give reporters that much credit. But is it at all possible this thing just went out of control. Like why not report "Favre thinking of retiremetn" or whatever. No, the report was "Favre retired".

Like if all these guys received texts, why wouldn't they just come out and say "yeah there were some texts but he hasn't made a decision" if the organization as a whole has decided to lie. Why take such a big risk to say there were no texts and have Longwell make up a text exchange just so the public doesn't know Favre sent some texts. The easiest way out seems to have been just to tell a modified TRUTH. We got some texts but he isn't decided. Thats it, why have this massive conspiracy.

So wrong, case and point - Schefter about the "Schism" which was clearly BS. Because they did an anonymous poll of the the big players on the team and not a single one of them said anything about anything against Favre. Most of them even came out of publically and called out the teammates that said there was a Schism. As far as I can tell, Schefter is still one of the top 3 analysts on the biggest sports network on the planet after that BS story. His source was like Jackson or Sage, how can you print a story without confirming it with Peterson, Hutchinson, Williams, Allen ,etc.

Then Ed Werder last year too, he's still at ESPN.

In this day and age, you can say or do whatever you want because of "team officials within the organization". And no one can ever prove you were wrong because the team officials "want to remain anonymous because the news is not public yet".

I never said OVER I said down tubes..

I personally know myself and others included that do not trust Adam because of that story

You guys are so hell bent on believing everything coming out of the Favre camp everyone else is wrong

So wrong, case and point - Schefter about the "Schism" which was clearly BS. Because they did an anonymous poll of the the big players on the team and not a single one of them said anything about anything against Favre. Most of them even came out of publically and called out the teammates that said there was a Schism. As far as I can tell, Schefter is still one of the top 3 analysts on the biggest sports network on the planet after that BS story. His source was like Jackson or Sage, how can you print a story without confirming it with Peterson, Hutchinson, Williams, Allen ,etc.

Then Ed Werder last year too, he's still at ESPN.

In this day and age, you can say or do whatever you want because of "team officials within the organization". And no one can ever prove you were wrong because the team officials "want to remain anonymous because the news is not public yet".

I never said OVER I said down tubes..

I personally know myself and others included that do not trust Adam because of that story

You guys are so hell bent on believing everything coming out of the Favre camp everyone else is wrong

Will reporters lie for a story or twist truth? yup I know they do...

But just cuz a "source" is not named its a lie?

Look you dont believe Brett sent any texts, I think he did..

Have a good day

How is his career down the tubes if you don't believe him. He's still one of the top 3 analysts at the biggest sports network in the WORLD. If anything, that story made his name a household name.

No one is saying its a lie because there is no source. I think the issue (and I cannot speak for everyone) is that the whole story was blown out of proportion based on shady reporting. ESPN and NFL Network basically launched a Favre Retirement Special, every columnist started trashing Favre, etc. All from soemthing that was not confirmed by Favre or the Vikings. Its careless, maybe its all true but we need more concrete sources in journalism. And with Favre involved, for whatever reason, journalistic pride gets thrown out.

I believe there must have been some fire there for this to get reported but for the media to go this crazy about a Tweet is nuts.

For all I know, Favre, Peterson, Longwell, Childress, etc. all lied to cover up these texts. But for all I know, they didn't. But without concrete proof, how can the media go this nuts? They need to take a step back and understand the consequences of their actions.

The players and coach mentioned don't need to lie if they were not the ones who received the texts. Who said Longwell or Peterson or Childress received them? Maybe Rice and Harvin did and told others?

We can't dictate a gray area in one direction, but exclude it for others.

I do agree, the media went nuts and even two guys on ESPN radio said ESPN needs to stop going bonkers over any thing Brett. They were saying it was borderline pathetic how ESPN was giving so much coverage to Brett while ignoring other sports.

I do agree, the media went nuts and even two guys on ESPN radio said ESPN needs to stop going bonkers over any thing Brett. They were saying it was borderline pathetic how ESPN was giving so much coverage to Brett while ignoring other sports.

This is the bottom line idea.. by now everyone in the media should know that nothing is concrete when it comes to Brett.. so why go gaga over it.. and why do we buy into it as well.

Here were are on page 7, debating whether so and so or so and so lied or whatever.. why?

If he plays... he plays .... if he doesn't he doesn't... but that will not be answered until the season starts.. and even then it might change... after all this is Brett we are talking about.

I don't know if I have ever seen such a polarizing player in Packer history.. very few are middle of the road on their opinion of Brett.. and just like Brett or the media reaction to him.. I don't see it changing.. ever. It will mellow.. but I doubt it will ever disappear and all of Packer nation isn't split upon it.

My interest from a Packer standpoint is to someday hopefully get the truth of how the 08' offseason truly played out that started it all.. from a sociology standpoint of how people formed their opinions to it all.

You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.