I know thanks, but I am not about to jump ship yet, cause you would not want to buy first year of any car, and also the other higher performing models have not been revealed yet

So it will unlikely happen in the next 12 months. One thing I am now convinced of, it will be a much better choice than the Cayman, as the engine issues with that car is a real killer.

i think with the new cayman, reliability should be improved. porsches arent too bad in terms or reliability... the only problem is that the engines are harder to get to so regular maintenance and servicing is generally more expensive. i do like the new 991, cayman & boxster interiors.... very upscale indeed... a huge step up from my 997 generation p-car which feels dated even compared to a base 3 series.

that being said, the new vette is definitely a very good bang for the buck and theres no doubt that the aftermarket will have tons of products out there to fix anything you dont like about the stock car.

performance versions arent out yet but even the base vette is a pretty good buy considering the price they are asking for it. the performance vettes will likely put the price of the car well above 100k (with a few light options) in canada by the time they come out. all depends on how much youre willing to spend on the weekend track toy and how much track time youre going to do with the car....

now the last question to ask is this ....... is the vette better than this ?? which would you rather have?

what a sexy vette! a few angles that are not super flattering, but wow! it promises to be a beast! i can't wait for the z06 my goodness!!

Agreed! will be following this closely

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i think with the new cayman, reliability should be improved. porsches arent too bad in terms or reliability... the only problem is that the engines are harder to get to so regular maintenance and servicing is generally more expensive. i do like the new 991, cayman & boxster interiors.... very upscale indeed... a huge step up from my 997 generation p-car which feels dated even compared to a base 3 series.

that being said, the new vette is definitely a very good bang for the buck and theres no doubt that the aftermarket will have tons of products out there to fix anything you dont like about the stock car.

performance versions arent out yet but even the base vette is a pretty good buy considering the price they are asking for it. the performance vettes will likely put the price of the car well above 100k (with a few light options) in canada by the time they come out. all depends on how much youre willing to spend on the weekend track toy and how much track time youre going to do with the car....

now the last question to ask is this ....... is the vette better than this ?? which would you rather have?

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i think the new viper is nothing special

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but....
V10
640hp
600 lb-ft torque

sounds pretty special to me... i know its not a scalpel but thats one hell of a sledge hammer...

Chris, you are right the sound of the Viper is intoxicating, but in terms of performance if you do a quick search, you will quickly find that the 2012 ZR1 has better dyno numbers, do longer bunouts by 100 feet, as well as being 2 seconds faster at Laguna Seca. For such a new car, it is indeed impressive, but also disappointing, compared to the best outgoing vette.

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They fouled up the rear end. Its a Vette not a freakin Camaro

I know, but not really a deal breaker for me, he he! But not before 2014.

This the very reason why I ditched my N54. This engine will not be a long lasting one. There isn't any defined maintenance for this, but if I was tracking my car, I would be cleaning the intake ports and valves once a year. Regular driving every 2 or three years. It's a bit of a bitch due to the some electrical components that are in the way when you try to gain access to the intake manifold. I tried and gave up, sold the car and bought a truck.

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This the very reason why I ditched my N54. This engine will not be a long lasting one. There isn't any defined maintenance for this, but if I was tracking my car, I would be cleaning the intake ports and valves once a year. Regular driving every 2 or three years. It's a bit of a bitch due to the some electrical components that are in the way when you try to gain access to the intake manifold. I tried and gave up, sold the car and bought a truck.

+1, this is part of the reason why I ditched my car too. Carbon buildup on these engines is quite awful. You pretty much have to do either that service, or SeaFoam.

This the very reason why I ditched my N54. This engine will not be a long lasting one. There isn't any defined maintenance for this, but if I was tracking my car, I would be cleaning the intake ports and valves once a year. Regular driving every 2 or three years. It's a bit of a bitch due to the some electrical components that are in the way when you try to gain access to the intake manifold. I tried and gave up, sold the car and bought a truck.

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+1, this is part of the reason why I ditched my car too. Carbon buildup on these engines is quite awful. You pretty much have to do either that service, or SeaFoam.

While DI engines are quite the future in terms of performance and efficiency (better mileage) the obvious downside is that the fuel is injected directly in the cylinders, without passing through the intake valves, and hence cleaning agents in the fuel no longer cleans the said valves. Now, why do the intake valves get all dirty, is because all modern engines recirculates crankcase air (oil fumes included) through the engine to be burned, so as to minimize polluting the environment. Those oil fumes cakes on the very hot intake tracts. In theory, blown engines have more blow by oil, but this is not always true.

Only required every 50,000kms or so. You car engine lack of smoothness or lack of power will let you know when it's time to clean.

While DI engines are quite the future in terms of performance and efficiency (better mileage) the obvious downside is that the fuel is injected directly in the cylinders, without passing through the intake valves, and hence cleaning agents in the fuel no longer cleans the said valves. Now, why do the intake valves get all dirty, is because all modern engines recirculates crankcase air (oil fumes included) through the engine to be burned, so as to minimize polluting the environment. Those oil fumes cakes on the very hot intake tracts. In theory, blown engines have more blow by oil, but this is not always true.

Only required every 50,000kms or so. You car engine lack of smoothness or lack of power will let you know when it's time to clean.

+1, the above is correct, regardless of who is trying to sell the car and who isn't

Which makes me think, I definitely need to do this for the Mini... anybody do this in Montreal? I kind of find it hard to believe I can convince the dealer to do this, sigh.

+1, the above is correct, regardless of who is trying to sell the car and who isn't

Which makes me think, I definitely need to do this for the Mini... anybody do this in Montreal? I kind of find it hard to believe I can convince the dealer to do this, sigh.

Go ahead and thank me! Cause I already documented to Seb the issue, sent him links on the various threads. So the good news is that he told me he would equip himself properly and offer this service this spring, cos he also heard lots of complains from VW owners ha ha!

I'll contact him to mention some interested folks for this. So keep tight, I'll arrange a package with him! Forget the dealer you'll be paying a "premium".

Go ahead and thank me! Cause I already documented to Seb the issue, sent him links on the various threads. So the good news is that he told me he would equip himself properly and offer this service this spring, cos he also heard lots of complains from VW owners ha ha!

I'll contact him to mention some interested folks for this. So keep tight, I'll arrange a package with him! Forget the dealer you'll be paying a "premium".

k

oh god no way i would pay the dealer - i was trying to see if i can *warranty* this

yeah speak with seb. if the price is too outrageous i might just buy a $5 can of seafoam and degrease my skidoo, moped and door handle in between the cleaning sessions of my fancy direct-injected engines.

oh god no way i would pay the dealer - i was trying to see if i can *warranty* this

yeah speak with seb. if the price is too outrageous i might just buy a $5 can of seafoam and degrease my skidoo, moped and door handle in between the cleaning sessions of my fancy direct-injected engines.

While DI engines are quite the future in terms of performance and efficiency (better mileage) the obvious downside is that the fuel is injected directly in the cylinders, without passing through the intake valves, and hence cleaning agents in the fuel no longer cleans the said valves. Now, why do the intake valves get all dirty, is because all modern engines recirculates crankcase air (oil fumes included) through the engine to be burned, so as to minimize polluting the environment. Those oil fumes cakes on the very hot intake tracts. In theory, blown engines have more blow by oil, but this is not always true.

Only required every 50,000kms or so. You car engine lack of smoothness or lack of power will let you know when it's time to clean.

I didnt realize you are selling your car on this thread. Sell away. The fact remains the same. The N54 engine is special due to the turbo. The oil in the oil catch can that the N54s dont have speak volumes. In any case, the intake clean up procedure on N54 isn't too bad once you get the hang of it. Seafoam isnt an option IMHO.

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While DI engines are quite the future in terms of performance and efficiency (better mileage) the obvious downside is that the fuel is injected directly in the cylinders, without passing through the intake valves, and hence cleaning agents in the fuel no longer cleans the said valves. Now, why do the intake valves get all dirty, is because all modern engines recirculates crankcase air (oil fumes included) through the engine to be burned, so as to minimize polluting the environment. Those oil fumes cakes on the very hot intake tracts. In theory, blown engines have more blow by oil, but this is not always true.

Only required every 50,000kms or so. You car engine lack of smoothness or lack of power will let you know when it's time to clean.

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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

+1, this is part of the reason why I ditched my car too. Carbon buildup on these engines is quite awful. You pretty much have to do either that service, or SeaFoam.

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Originally Posted by jgalaxy

This the very reason why I ditched my N54. This engine will not be a long lasting one. There isn't any defined maintenance for this, but if I was tracking my car, I would be cleaning the intake ports and valves once a year. Regular driving every 2 or three years. It's a bit of a bitch due to the some electrical components that are in the way when you try to gain access to the intake manifold. I tried and gave up, sold the car and bought a truck.

thanks a lot ken and joel for the very useful insight.... i didnt know this was a common issue among most DI engines... i thought it was just an issue with the N54/55 engines. i guess i never faced such an issue cos my cars have always been old tech (non-DI).

glen, how would you suggest to get sea foam to clean those valves? you just pour it into the intake manifold? i dont know how that would work.

thanks a lot ken and joel for the very useful insight.... i didnt know this was a common issue among most DI engines... i thought it was just an issue with the N54/55 engines. i guess i never faced such an issue cos my cars have always been old tech (non-DI).

glen, how would you suggest to get sea foam to clean those valves? you just pour it into the intake manifold? i dont know how that would work.

There's a number of threads on the Mini forums about how to do it, I would have to look it up ... but something along those lines, yeah. It creates a massive cloud of smoke and is scary as all hell, but it seems to actually work, contrary to what uncle Ken says (at least the consensus on the Mini forums seems to be that it does).

thanks a lot ken and joel for the very useful insight.... i didnt know this was a common issue among most DI engines... i thought it was just an issue with the N54/55 engines. i guess i never faced such an issue cos my cars have always been old tech (non-DI).

glen, how would you suggest to get sea foam to clean those valves? you just pour it into the intake manifold? i dont know how that would work.

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There's a number of threads on the Mini forums about how to do it, I would have to look it up ... but something along those lines, yeah. It creates a massive cloud of smoke and is scary as all hell, but it seems to actually work, contrary to what uncle Ken says (at least the consensus on the Mini forums seems to be that it does).

Well, pretty sure seafoam will do squat

Picture a thick layer of grease that caked on the valves as well as intake tracks over time, and rubbing with a tooth brush won't do anything, but instead you have to blast away with a very abrasive material (enter crushed walnut shells), chemicals have little chance to work, unless you're pouring acid in ......

Picture a thick layer of grease that caked on the valves as well as intake tracks over time, and rubbing with a tooth brush won't do anything, but instead you have to blast away with a very abrasive material (enter crushed walnut shells), chemicals have little chance to work, unless you're pouring acid in ......

I'm also very sceptical about the seafoam. I was looking at youtube and I saw guys pouring 1/3 of a 1L bottle in the valve cover (good lord), 1/3 into the gas tank, and sucking up 1/3 into the crankcase positive vacuum. Driving 30km and then doing an oil flush.

The only methods I know of is fine brass brushing with approved solvent in the intake, or dismantling the head entirely and cleaning the parts individually. You can be sure there is more than just intake valves and ports that are gunked up.

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