The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

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https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8

I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

There will still be a demand for illegal drugs, they'll undercut the tax-happy government prices (pot) and it'll be like any other contraband. Free drugs? Maybe a segment of the population will never be worth $0.10? Paid-for by the people who produce. Subsidies of these creatures should be predicated on if they agree to sterilization. A predisposition to be an addict is genetic. It should be (no pun) "weeded" out.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

There will still be a demand for illegal drugs, they'll undercut the tax-happy government prices (pot) and it'll be like any other contraband. Free drugs? Maybe a segment of the population will never be worth $0.10? Paid-for by the people who produce. Subsidies of these creatures should be predicated on if they agree to sterilization. A predisposition to be an addict is genetic. It should be (no pun) "weeded" out.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.

I agree. I have no doubt that some of the people paramedics, firefighters, volunteersetc etc in parts of Vancouver are 'saving' are being saved again and again, until theyeventually join the statistics.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.

I agree. I have no doubt that some of the people paramedics, firefighters, volunteersetc etc in parts of Vancouver are 'saving' are being saved again and again, until theyeventually join the statistics.

So let's stop trying to prevent people from choosing certain riskyactivities.

We don't stop people from skiing, or even back country skiing.

You can go hiking in the mountains... ...in winter... ...without tellinganyone where you'll be or when you are expected back.

You're allowed to go mountain climbing, even free climbing.

It's time to get out of the business of preventing people from makingstupid choices. It's wrong both from philosophical and practicalperspectives.

TAX them for their choices based on solid actuarial data, and let themhave at it.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 yearsago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. Butafter one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would allbe dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of thesedecriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying inlarge numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments tobegin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.

I agree. I have no doubt that some of the people paramedics,firefighters, volunteersetc etc in parts of Vancouver are 'saving' are being saved again and again, until theyeventually join the statistics.

So let's stop trying to prevent people from choosing certain riskyactivities.We don't stop people from skiing, or even back country skiing.You can go hiking in the mountains... ...in winter... ...without tellinganyone where you'll be or when you are expected back.You're allowed to go mountain climbing, even free climbing.It's time to get out of the business of preventing people from makingstupid choices. It's wrong both from philosophical and practicalperspectives.TAX them for their choices based on solid actuarial data, and let themhave at it.

The truth is, no, you are not completely covered for the cost of anextraction by helicopter or any other expensive forms of rescue that youmay require. So don't be a dummy and assume, ‘whelp, I'm a little losthere and its getting dark’, maybe I’ll just call for a chopper, I mean Iam covered by that $0.25 I paid on my fishing license. You will end upwith hefty bill and feeling cheated.

This comes straight from the "horse's mouth": A lovely lady, who’s nameI cannot recollect, came into the shop last season and confirmed thatshe was a member of the Summit County Search and Rescue Team. It wasactually she who was in search of the hunting/fishing license. The feecame up in our small talk conversation and she took the opportunity toexplain where it goes and what it’s for. Here it is, the truth! Thissmall fee is used to fund the search and rescue operations. Search andrescue teams are allowed to apply for grants from this fund to acquireequipment. Last summer season the Summit County Search and Rescue Teamapplied for some new ATV’s and they got them.

So there it is folks; think of the Search and Rescue fee as donationthat you are making towards search and rescue. It is not an insurancepolicy that the state has created for you to go get lost or injured inthe backcountry. I want to conclude by thanking the person who decidedto discern this small fee from the regular overall price of your licenseon the license. In the end the sight of this fee probably just createdmore problems than it helped, so, thanks guy.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.

I agree. I have no doubt that some of the people paramedics, firefighters, volunteersetc etc in parts of Vancouver are 'saving' are being saved again and again, until theyeventually join the statistics.

So let's stop trying to prevent people from choosing certain riskyactivities.We don't stop people from skiing, or even back country skiing.You can go hiking in the mountains... ...in winter... ...without tellinganyone where you'll be or when you are expected back.You're allowed to go mountain climbing, even free climbing.It's time to get out of the business of preventing people from makingstupid choices. It's wrong both from philosophical and practicalperspectives.TAX them for their choices based on solid actuarial data, and let themhave at it.

A climber assumes risks but doesn't generally force a social cost of some kind on otherpeople. For your idea to work, drug emporiums would have to be open 24/7 and providefree drugs to people with no money, so that they don't go robbing other people. Ofcourse it's debatable as to whether having hordes of people panhandling or lying semi-comatose on the sidewalk is a social cost of drug use or not.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

British Columbia looks to Portugal to combat opioid crisishttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/british-columbia-looks-to-portugal-to-combat-opioid-crisis/article35933393/https://tgam.ca/2vU8Bf8I still haven't seen anyone explain in any of these decriminalization/legalization newsstories exactly how these measures will stop people from dying in large numbers. Maybethey are shy? Or maybe the next step will be for governments to begin supplying high-quality drugs to those who want them.

They won't stop people who are determined to be idiots from killingthemselves.NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO STOP THAT.

I agree. I have no doubt that some of the people paramedics, firefighters, volunteersetc etc in parts of Vancouver are 'saving' are being saved again and again, until theyeventually join the statistics.

So let's stop trying to prevent people from choosing certain riskyactivities.We don't stop people from skiing, or even back country skiing.You can go hiking in the mountains... ...in winter... ...without tellinganyone where you'll be or when you are expected back.You're allowed to go mountain climbing, even free climbing.It's time to get out of the business of preventing people from makingstupid choices. It's wrong both from philosophical and practicalperspectives.TAX them for their choices based on solid actuarial data, and let themhave at it.

A climber assumes risks but doesn't generally force a social cost of some kind on otherpeople. For your idea to work, drug emporiums would have to be open 24/7 and providefree drugs to people with no money, so that they don't go robbing other people. Ofcourse it's debatable as to whether having hordes of people panhandling or lying semi-comatose on the sidewalk is a social cost of drug use or not.

People rob other people for drugs BECAUSE A BLACK MARKET MAKES THEM THATEXPENSIVE.

Post by Alan BakerPeople rob other people for drugs BECAUSE A BLACK MARKET MAKES THEMTHAT EXPENSIVE.

That is true.

No that is an oversimplification.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/cigarette-smuggling-new-york-_n_5041823.htmlInside New York City’s Dangerous, Multimillion-Dollar Cigarette Black Market

That is not a valid comparison because you are talking about a legal butheavily taxed profit and people smuggling them across state lines. Thepenalties for smuggling, trafficking and possessing illegal drugs are alot stiffer, and the higher risk pushes the prices up.

Post by Dave SmithHowever, the craving for the drug makes people desperate enough toresort to crime.

True.

Post by Dave SmithAFAIAC, legalize and educate and let some of them fall through thecracks.

No sane person would legalize meth, ice, or heroin.Period.

Many said the same about alcohol 100 years ago. The US brought in aconstitutional amendment to ban the production, transport and sale ofalcoholic beverages, but that was later repealed. It had led to a slightreduction in the sorts of crimes associated with alcohol, like fightingand spousal abuse, but there was in increase in more violent crimesassociated with the production, smuggling and distribution of alcohol.It made a lot of money for a lot of mobsters and the government had toadmit that it had been a complete failure.

Almost half the inmates in American prisons are there for drug offences.If there was violence connected to their drug related behaviour theycould have been sentenced for that. If the jails were half filled withpot smokers there would be space in them for real criminals.

Post by Alan BakerPeople rob other people for drugs BECAUSE A BLACK MARKET MAKES THEMTHAT EXPENSIVE.

That is true.

No that is an oversimplification.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/cigarette-smuggling-new-york-_n_5041823.htmlInside New York City’s Dangerous, Multimillion-Dollar Cigarette Black Market

That is not a valid comparison because you are talking about a legal butheavily taxed profit and people smuggling them across state lines. Thepenalties for smuggling, trafficking and possessing illegal drugs are alot stiffer, and the higher risk pushes the prices up.

Post by Dave SmithHowever, the craving for the drug makes people desperate enough toresort to crime.

True.

Post by Dave SmithAFAIAC, legalize and educate and let some of them fall through thecracks.

No sane person would legalize meth, ice, or heroin.Period.

Many said the same about alcohol 100 years ago.

Alcohol is not even remotely comparable to meth, ice or heroin.

How dense are yoiu?

Post by Dave SmithThe US brought in aconstitutional amendment to ban the production, transport and sale ofalcoholic beverages, but that was later repealed. It had led to a slightreduction in the sorts of crimes associated with alcohol, like fightingand spousal abuse, but there was in increase in more violent crimesassociated with the production, smuggling and distribution of alcohol.It made a lot of money for a lot of mobsters and the government had toadmit that it had been a complete failure.

All true.

Post by Dave SmithAlmost half the inmates in American prisons are there for drug offences.If there was violence connected to their drug related behaviour theycould have been sentenced for that. If the jails were half filled withpot smokers there would be space in them for real criminals.

Pot is benign, largely.

Meth, ice and heroin are NOT.

Prohibition saw only one minor competitor to alcohol - marijuana.

The opium dens were long gone.

Heroin was medicinally expensive and rare.

And meth and ice did not exist.

You're mixing eras and chemistry in a way that makes an unhealthymocktail of ideas devoid of valid linkages.

Post by Alan BakerPeople rob other people for drugs BECAUSE A BLACK MARKET MAKES THEMTHAT EXPENSIVE.

That is true.

No that is an oversimplification.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/cigarette-smuggling-new-york-_n_5041823.htmlInside New York City’s Dangerous, Multimillion-Dollar Cigarette Black Market

That is not a valid comparison because you are talking about a legalbut heavily taxed profit and people smuggling them across state lines.The penalties for smuggling, trafficking and possessing illegal drugsare a lot stiffer, and the higher risk pushes the prices up.

Alcohol is not even remotely comparable to meth, ice or heroin.How dense are yoiu?

[sic]

Really? You pose a comment like that and then suggest that I am the onewho is dense? Alcohol is responsible for more health, personal, familysocial and career problems than all the illegal drugs combined.

Post by Dave SmithThe US brought in a constitutional amendment to ban the production,transport and sale of alcoholic beverages, but that was laterrepealed. It had led to a slight reduction in the sorts of crimesassociated with alcohol, like fighting and spousal abuse, but therewas in increase in more violent crimes associated with the production,smuggling and distribution of alcohol. It made a lot of money for alot of mobsters and the government had to admit that it had been acomplete failure.

All true.

Post by Dave SmithAlmost half the inmates in American prisons are there for drugoffences. If there was violence connected to their drug relatedbehaviour they could have been sentenced for that. If the jails werehalf filled with pot smokers there would be space in them for realcriminals.

Pot is benign, largely.Meth, ice and heroin are NOT.Prohibition saw only one minor competitor to alcohol - marijuana.

Post by Alan BakerPeople rob other people for drugs BECAUSE A BLACK MARKET MAKESTHEM THAT EXPENSIVE.

That is true.

No that is an oversimplification.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/cigarette-smuggling-new-york-_n_5041823.htmlInside New York City’s Dangerous, Multimillion-Dollar Cigarette Black Market

That is not a valid comparison because you are talking about a legalbut heavily taxed profit and people smuggling them across statelines. The penalties for smuggling, trafficking and possessingillegal drugs are a lot stiffer, and the higher risk pushes theprices up.

Alcohol is not even remotely comparable to meth, ice or heroin.How dense are yoiu?

[sic]

Oh forgive me for fat fingering betwixt keys!

Post by Dave SmithReally? You pose a comment like that and then suggest that I am the onewho is dense? Alcohol is responsible for more health, personal, familysocial and career problems than all the illegal drugs combined.

Due to the VOLUME of it consumed and the wide availability and legalityof it, duh!

Post by Dave SmithThe US brought in a constitutional amendment to ban the production,transport and sale of alcoholic beverages, but that was laterrepealed. It had led to a slight reduction in the sorts of crimesassociated with alcohol, like fighting and spousal abuse, but therewas in increase in more violent crimes associated with theproduction, smuggling and distribution of alcohol. It made a lot ofmoney for a lot of mobsters and the government had to admit that ithad been a complete failure.

All true.

Post by Dave SmithAlmost half the inmates in American prisons are there for drugoffences. If there was violence connected to their drug relatedbehaviour they could have been sentenced for that. If the jails werehalf filled with pot smokers there would be space in them for realcriminals.

Pot is benign, largely.Meth, ice and heroin are NOT.Prohibition saw only one minor competitor to alcohol - marijuana.

Between 1850 and 1937 marijuana was widely used throughout United Statesas a medicinal drug and could easily be purchased in pharmacies andgeneral stores. Recreational use was limited in the US until after theMexican Revolution of 1910, when an influx of Mexican immigrantsintroduced the habit. The Volstead Act of 1920, which raised the priceof alcohol in the United States, positioned marijuana as an attractivealternative and led to an increase in use of the drug. "Tea pads," wherea person could purchase marijuana for 25 cents or less, began appearingin cities across the United States, particularly as part of the black"hepster" jazz culture.

Alcohol is not even remotely comparable to meth, ice or heroin.How dense are yoiu?

[sic]

Oh forgive me for fat fingering betwixt keys!

What can I say? When you think that you can win an argument by callingsomeone else dense you have to have higher standards.

Then you go right out and prove me right, oh dense one.

Post by Dave SmithReally? You pose a comment like that and then suggest that I am theone who is dense? Alcohol is responsible for more health, personal,family social and career problems than all the illegal drugscombined.

Due to the VOLUME of it consumed and the wide availability and legalityof it, duh!

Between 1850 and 1937 marijuana was widely used throughout United Statesas a medicinal drug and could easily be purchased in pharmacies andgeneral stores. Recreational use was limited in the US until after theMexican Revolution of 1910, when an influx of Mexican immigrantsintroduced the habit. The Volstead Act of 1920, which raised the priceof alcohol in the United States, positioned marijuana as an attractivealternative and led to an increase in use of the drug. "Tea pads," wherea person could purchase marijuana for 25 cents or less, began appearingin cities across the United States, particularly as part of the black"hepster" jazz culture.

Because alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according tothe Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenderscurrently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of theirarrest.

Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associatedwith violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousalabuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victimsperceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related toalcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of allhomicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or bothhave been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception ofrobberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking thanunder the influence of other drugs.

Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and the victimknow each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by an intimate(including a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) reportedthat alcohol had been involved, and only 31% of victimizations bystrangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000 incidents betweenintimates involve offenders who have been drinking; in addition, 118,000incidents of family violence (excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Greg CarrTax the junkies? Never met one in stir or a homeless shelter that paidincome taxes. And if you tax the opioids the smugglers will undercutyou like they do with the cigarets.

Really?How many people bother to buy smuggled cigarettes, do you think?

That depends on the availability. Seems to me a few years back thegovernment backed off on some of their punitive taxation on tobaccobecause cigarette smuggling through native reserves was becoming a majorproblem. That should be read as so many people were buying smuggledcigarettes that the government was losing tax revenue.

Post by Greg CarrTax the junkies? Never met one in stir or a homeless shelter thatpaid income taxes. And if you tax the opioids the smugglers willundercut you like they do with the cigarets.

Really?How many people bother to buy smuggled cigarettes, do you think?

That depends on the availability. Seems to me a few years back thegovernment backed off on some of their punitive taxation on tobaccobecause cigarette smuggling through native reserves was becoming a majorproblem. That should be read as so many people were buying smuggledcigarettes that the government was losing tax revenue.

Yup.

But they currently still have a LOT of tax in the price of cigarettes.

"A law that year in New York ended the ability of Native American tribesto sell non-taxed cigarettes to non-tribe members."

It's supposed to that way in Oklahoma, but here in the Sooner State justabout everyone is part Indian. Race is irrelevant. The only color thatmatters is GREEN.

And to think, just twenty years ago I could hop on my bike and make the60-mile round trip to the Cheyenne Arapaho Smoke Shop(http://tinyurl.com/y8b3wbcz) on one gallon of gas, and with $100 I couldbuy ten cartons of Basic Menthol 100s and a log of Skoal, and have changecoming back...

I dont smoke but from time to time when I work I run into ppl who buy illegal smokes or sell them. I have seen a couple of documentaries on the subject and newspaper articles so scores of millions must be involved.

Large differentials in cigarette taxes across states create incentivesfor black market sales.Smuggled cigarettes make up substantial portions of cigaretteconsumption in many states, and greater than 25 percent of consumptionin twelve states.The highest inbound cigarette smuggling rates are in New York (56.9percent), Arizona (51.5 percent), New Mexico (48.1 percent), Washington(48 percent), and Wisconsin (34.6 percent).The highest outbound smuggling rates are in New Hampshire (24.2percent), Wyoming (22.3 percent), Idaho (21.3 percent), Virginia (21.1percent), and Delaware (20.9 percent).Cigarette tax rates increased in 30 states and the District of Columbiabetween 2006 and 2012.Public policies often have unintended consequences that outweigh theirbenefits. One consequence of high state cigarette tax rates has beenincreased smuggling as criminals procure discounted packs from low-taxstates to sell in high-tax states. Growing cigarette tax differentialshave made cigarette smuggling both a national problem and a lucrativecriminal enterprise.

That's basically the story I heard on the radio the other day fromsomeone who works in a safe injection site. They have had to treat anumber of people for overdoses, and they are often dealing with the samepeople over and over. Some of them have been treated twice a week or more.

I still question the wisdom of government run "safe injection sites".They can't be very safe if they have to have medical staff and antidoteson hand. They are naive to think that the junkies who attend are notshooting up anywhere else and that they are getting high only at thosesites. As far as I am concerned, it serves only to legitimize the useof illegal and dangerous drugs. Vancouver was among the first to open socalled safe injection sites, but it has experienced a spike inoverdoses. In the first four months of this year they saw 144 fataloverdoses and the expect to have more than the 965 fatal overdoses theyhad last year.

There are now 4 legal shooting galleries in the Lower Mainland. We of course lead Canada in OD's as a result. They want to remove the stigma from IV drug use just imagine how highthe addiction and OD rate will get if that happens.

Post by Greg CarrThere are now 4 legal shooting galleries in the Lower Mainland. We of course lead Canada in OD's as a result. They want to remove the stigma from IV drug use just imagine how highthe addiction and OD rate will get if that happens.

OK...

So what?

Why is an drug addict's way of risking his life less valid than anyother thrill seeker's?

Post by Greg CarrThere are now 4 legal shooting galleries in the Lower Mainland. We ofcourse lead Canada in OD's as a result. They want to remove the stigmafrom IV drug use just imagine how highthe addiction and OD rate will get if that happens.

OK...So what?Why is an drug addict's way of risking his life less valid than anyother thrill seeker's?

Post by Alan BakerWhy is an drug addict's way of risking his life less valid than anyother thrill seeker's?

Because they imperil the innocent, seed crime, ruin society.

How does someone's addiction to a drug seed crime? Opiates are cheap toproduce and it would cost peanuts to keep someone high on drugs if theycould do it legally. Heroin can be bought for $2 per gram inAfghanistan, where much of it is produced, but it costs $200 per gram inthe US. It is the criminal status of it and the risk taken by blackmarketeers that drives up the price to the point where people have torob and steal to get the money for their habit.

Because alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according tothe Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenderscurrently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of theirarrest.

Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associatedwith violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousalabuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victimsperceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related toalcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of allhomicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or bothhave been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception ofrobberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking thanunder the influence of other drugs.

Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and the victimknow each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by an intimate(including a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) reportedthat alcohol had been involved, and only 31% of victimizations bystrangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000 incidents betweenintimates involve offenders who have been drinking; in addition, 118,000incidents of family violence (excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap toproduce and it would cost peanuts to keep someone high on drugs if theycould do it legally. Heroin can be bought for $2 per gram inAfghanistan, where much of it is produced, but it costs $200 per gram inthe US. It is the criminal status of it and the risk taken by blackmarketeers that drives up the price to the point where people have torob and steal to get the money for their habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.

WTF is wrong with you anyway?

You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by Alan BakerWhy is an drug addict's way of risking his life less valid than anyother thrill seeker's?

Because they imperil the innocent, seed crime, ruin society.

How does someone's addiction to a drug seed crime?

Stop avoiding the citations and you'll know, ya dumb fuck canuck!https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/addiction-update/alcohol-drugs-and-crimeBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according tothe Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenderscurrently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of theirarrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associatedwith violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousalabuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victimsperceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related toalcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of allhomicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or bothhave been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception ofrobberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking thanunder the influence of other drugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and the victimknow each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by an intimate(including a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) reportedthat alcohol had been involved, and only 31% of victimizations bystrangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000 incidents betweenintimates involve offenders who have been drinking; in addition, 118,000incidents of family violence (excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap toproduce and it would cost peanuts to keep someone high on drugs if theycould do it legally. Heroin can be bought for $2 per gram inAfghanistan, where much of it is produced, but it costs $200 per gram inthe US. It is the criminal status of it and the risk taken by blackmarketeers that drives up the price to the point where people have torob and steal to get the money for their habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by Alan BakerWhy is an drug addict's way of risking his life less valid than anyother thrill seeker's?

Because they imperil the innocent, seed crime, ruin society.

How does someone's addiction to a drug seed crime?

Stop avoiding the citations and you'll know, ya dumb fuck canuck!https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/addiction-update/alcohol-drugs-and-crimeBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according tothe Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenderscurrently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of theirarrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associatedwith violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousalabuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victimsperceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related toalcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of allhomicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or bothhave been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception ofrobberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking thanunder the influence of other drugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and the victimknow each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by an intimate(including a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend) reportedthat alcohol had been involved, and only 31% of victimizations bystrangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000 incidents betweenintimates involve offenders who have been drinking; in addition, 118,000incidents of family violence (excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap toproduce and it would cost peanuts to keep someone high on drugs if theycould do it legally. Heroin can be bought for $2 per gram inAfghanistan, where much of it is produced, but it costs $200 per gram inthe US. It is the criminal status of it and the risk taken by blackmarketeers that drives up the price to the point where people have torob and steal to get the money for their habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by EnkiBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and accordingto the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convictedoffenders currently in jail, report that they were drinking at thetime of their arrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closelyassociated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, childand spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year inwhich victims perceive the offender to have been drinking andstatistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generally showthat about half of all homicides and assaults are committed when theoffender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violent crimes,with the exception of robberies, the offender is far more likely tohave been drinking than under the influence of other drugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and thevictim know each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by anintimate (including a current or former spouse, boyfriend orgirlfriend) reported that alcohol had been involved, and only 31% ofvictimizations by strangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000incidents between intimates involve offenders who have been drinking;in addition, 118,000 incidents of family violence (excluding spouses)involve alcohol, as do 744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap to produce and it would cost peanuts to keepsomeone high on drugs if they could do it legally. Heroin can bebought for $2 per gram in Afghanistan, where much of it is produced,but it costs $200 per gram in the US. It is the criminal status of itand the risk taken by black marketeers that drives up the price tothe point where people have to rob and steal to get the money fortheir habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by EnkiBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and accordingto the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convictedoffenders currently in jail, report that they were drinking at thetime of their arrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closelyassociated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, childand spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year inwhich victims perceive the offender to have been drinking andstatistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generally showthat about half of all homicides and assaults are committed when theoffender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violent crimes,with the exception of robberies, the offender is far more likely tohave been drinking than under the influence of other drugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and thevictim know each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked by anintimate (including a current or former spouse, boyfriend orgirlfriend) reported that alcohol had been involved, and only 31% ofvictimizations by strangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000incidents between intimates involve offenders who have been drinking;in addition, 118,000 incidents of family violence (excluding spouses)involve alcohol, as do 744,000 incidents among acquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap to produce and it would cost peanuts to keepsomeone high on drugs if they could do it legally. Heroin can bebought for $2 per gram in Afghanistan, where much of it is produced,but it costs $200 per gram in the US. It is the criminal status of itand the risk taken by black marketeers that drives up the price tothe point where people have to rob and steal to get the money fortheir habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by EnkiBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, andaccording to the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 millionconvicted offenders currently in jail, report that they weredrinking at the time of their arrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closelyassociated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault,child and spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur eachyear in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinkingand statistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generallyshow that about half of all homicides and assaults are committedwhen the offender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violentcrimes, with the exception of robberies, the offender is far morelikely to have been drinking than under the influence of otherdrugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and thevictim know each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked byan intimate (including a current or former spouse, boyfriend orgirlfriend) reported that alcohol had been involved, and only 31% ofvictimizations by strangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000incidents between intimates involve offenders who have beendrinking; in addition, 118,000 incidents of family violence(excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do 744,000 incidents amongacquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap to produce and it would cost peanuts to keepsomeone high on drugs if they could do it legally. Heroin can bebought for $2 per gram in Afghanistan, where much of it isproduced, but it costs $200 per gram in the US. It is the criminalstatus of it and the risk taken by black marketeers that drives upthe price to the point where people have to rob and steal to getthe money for their habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by EnkiBecause alcohol use is legal and pervasive, it plays a particularlystrong role in the relationship to crime and other social problems.Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, andaccording to the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 millionconvicted offenders currently in jail, report that they weredrinking at the time of their arrest.Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closelyassociated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault,child and spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur eachyear in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinkingand statistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generallyshow that about half of all homicides and assaults are committedwhen the offender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violentcrimes, with the exception of robberies, the offender is far morelikely to have been drinking than under the influence of otherdrugs.Alcohol is often a factor in violence where the attacker and thevictim know each other. Two-thirds of victims who were attacked byan intimate (including a current or former spouse, boyfriend orgirlfriend) reported that alcohol had been involved, and only 31% ofvictimizations by strangers are alcohol-related. Nearly 500,000incidents between intimates involve offenders who have beendrinking; in addition, 118,000 incidents of family violence(excluding spouses) involve alcohol, as do 744,000 incidents amongacquaintances.

Post by Dave SmithOpiates are cheap to produce and it would cost peanuts to keepsomeone high on drugs if they could do it legally. Heroin can bebought for $2 per gram in Afghanistan, where much of it isproduced, but it costs $200 per gram in the US. It is the criminalstatus of it and the risk taken by black marketeers that drives upthe price to the point where people have to rob and steal to getthe money for their habit.

Just what we need, a populace DOPED out on cheap legal drugs.WTF is wrong with you anyway?You spent your life hassling truckers and this is the best you can offer!

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 years ago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But after one year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 yearsago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But afterone year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead,alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

There are definitely some issues with some of those drugs, just likethere are with alcohol. The crime and violence is mainly the result ofthe criminal element in the black market and the ridiculously highprices that result from the criminalization. Years ago I wrote a paperon the British policy of the 60s where addicts could get heroin throughthe national health care system. It cost the government less than 40cents a day to keep the addicts supplied. At the same time, Americanaddicts were spending something like $150 a day on junk. That was morethan a week's wages for most working people at the time, so they had torob and steal or turn tricks for the money for their drugs.

The current Fentynol crisis is an example of the danger of illegallysupplied drugs. There is no quality control and users don't know whatthey are getting. Junkies are especially prone to overdoses because theydon't know exactly how much of the product they are using is what it issupposed to be or how much it has been stepped on.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 yearsago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But afterone year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all be dead,alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

There are definitely some issues with some of those drugs, just likethere are with alcohol. The crime and violence is mainly the result ofthe criminal element in the black market and the ridiculously highprices that result from the criminalization. Years ago I wrote a paperon the British policy of the 60s where addicts could get heroin throughthe national health care system. It cost the government less than 40cents a day to keep the addicts supplied. At the same time, Americanaddicts were spending something like $150 a day on junk. That was morethan a week's wages for most working people at the time, so they had torob and steal or turn tricks for the money for their drugs.The current Fentynol crisis is an example of the danger of illegallysupplied drugs. There is no quality control and users don't know whatthey are getting. Junkies are especially prone to overdoses because theydon't know exactly how much of the product they are using is what it issupposed to be or how much it has been stepped on.

Some of the addicts ask specifically for fentanyl because mere heroin doesn`t do the trick anymore except ward off withdrawl symptoms.

Post by Liberals are VERMIN!The great conservative William F. Buckley suggested this 20 yearsago. For a year, you'd be dragging bodies off the street. But afterone year or so, the people predisposed to addiction would all bedead, alleviating the majority of the drug problem.

There are definitely some issues with some of those drugs, just likethere are with alcohol. The crime and violence is mainly the result ofthe criminal element in the black market and the ridiculously highprices that result from the criminalization. Years ago I wrote a paperon the British policy of the 60s where addicts could get heroin throughthe national health care system. It cost the government less than 40cents a day to keep the addicts supplied. At the same time, Americanaddicts were spending something like $150 a day on junk. That was morethan a week's wages for most working people at the time, so they had torob and steal or turn tricks for the money for their drugs.The current Fentynol crisis is an example of the danger of illegallysupplied drugs. There is no quality control and users don't know whatthey are getting. Junkies are especially prone to overdoses because theydon't know exactly how much of the product they are using is what it issupposed to be or how much it has been stepped on.

Opioids are a major driver of heroin use.

Those need immediate re-engineering or to be banned/curtailed in manyinstances.