Why are you getting one? Do you really need it? Are going to change front shocks/springs to take extra weight< As you said...we dont do any heavy off road driving. I,ve done a fair bit of off roading in the last 5 years and some serious outback work for 20 years before that. Havent needed a winch in the last 5 years. Probably used it about 5 times before that..but that was in very remote areas. Used it more often to pull others out of trouble. I have heard good things about Runva winches. 12,000 is over kill.

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2014 NW with all the usual stuff plus more.Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavouring, and dish washing liquid made with real lemons?.

i have already a blue max shocks and king springs we like doing a bit more sand and mud stuff soon just getting the old boy ready for helping others or my self as i don't like the factory recovery pints that are just ship tie downs

i have already a blue max shocks and king springs we like doing a bit more sand and mud stuff soon just getting the old boy ready for helping others or my self as i don't like the factory recovery pints that are just ship tie downs

Who told you that bullshit? They are not just ship tie downs but rated genuine factory installed tie down points. This subject comes up every month and the same answer applies..

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2014 NW with all the usual stuff plus more.Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavouring, and dish washing liquid made with real lemons?.

yes you may be right just talked to my uncle whom is a top 4wd guy . he said why the hell do you need a winch which adds a lot of extra weight and also would require a second battery to be safe.
And also said the tracks you do you can get a hand winch kit witch works ok . I dont think we need one right now so thanks all will get one when i need it lol.
just wanted to look like the big boy's .
and yes i have heard the tie down points used correctly are good as gold .

yes you may be right just talked to my uncle whom is a top 4wd guy . he said why the hell do you need a winch which adds a lot of extra weight and also would require a second battery to be safe.
And also said the tracks you do you can get a hand winch kit witch works ok . I dont think we need one right now so thanks all will get one when i need it lol.
just wanted to look like the big boy's .
and yes i have heard the tie down points used correctly are good as gold .

yes you may be right just talked to my uncle whom is a top 4wd guy . he said why the hell do you need a winch which adds a lot of extra weight and also would require a second battery to be safe.
And also said the tracks you do you can get a hand winch kit witch works ok . I dont think we need one right now so thanks all will get one when i need it lol.
just wanted to look like the big boy's .
and yes i have heard the tie down points used correctly are good as gold .

No need to look like the big boys. More often than not the paj will go where they get stuck. Paj is a hugely under rated 4wd. Many of the "big boys" are just piss and wind anyway! You will also be surprised at how quickly the weight adds up when accessorizing your car as well. Although a brilliant and capable off road and towing vehicle..weight needs to be taken into consideration...especially when towing and loading car up for extended trips. Put the money you saved into a transmission lock up kit that will save fuel, save your transmission and make driving easier.

good advice i have a friend that owns a 206 poo troll with a petrol 6 and he has been doing 4wd alot and he siad i still have not gone to a winch. he has a turfer hand winch. Think the extra weight and not onto full on stuff my snatch kit might be all i need untill i get more serious