Just shut up and dps. Why is it I never see whines from people that actually do good dps about them carrying crappy 50k dpsers? LFG is random and random means you can get anything, from 0 to 100% effort. Put some effort into improving your own dps and less into raging about others' dps.

Doesn't correlate with the tone of her response. But anyway, raid groups have different goals and you guys are free to have your own.

Yep they are free to have their own goals, which apparently are not getting stuff done as long as no ones precious feelings get hurt.

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Originally Posted by Firebert

An hour of enjoyment by all is better than half an hour of nine people picking on one person.

Hyperbole much? No one said she should be picked on. Just that its kinda rude not to at lease hear out advice from people that are probably your friends. Friendly advice, that's what we are talking about here, helping. But instead of listening and maybe just saying, "No thanks, I see where you coming from on your advice but I like my current setup more than yours" she says, "No, I don't want any advice, I'm going to play like I want". That sounds pretty damn anti social to me.

If someone wants to offer me tips on how to improve, I will hear them out. Hell, sometimes I will even change something if I can reason out why their way is better. But at a min I indulge them and listen. That is called being polite.

For me the worst one I've seen was early in MoP (I think I was around 460ish ilvl at the time) I was in a group to 'zerg' heroic BoT. After the 2nd boss I was pointing out that some people had pretty low dps (mainly a 90 mage roughly the same gear as me pulling 6k dps, I was pulling 50-60k). They proceeded to flip out on me saying that meters are stupid and I should not be concerned with their dps, to which my retort was their low dps meant that we wouldn't be able to ignore boss mechanics to kill fights. The group didn't make it much farther, we got heroic council down but could not kill cho'gall because we lacked both the coordination to do the fight proper and the dps to zerg it.

If I encounter them in LFD/LFR, I will never come at a player for their low DPS. I don't care if their rotation is stupid and they are using all the wrong moves; I don't think that is a requirement within the LFG context.

That said, I did once do a Wrath heroic with a rogue who not only was wearing gear from Molten Core and classic pvp, but 100% of his damage was Shoot with his gun. No autoattacks, not a single special, nothing but Shoot for the entire thing.

The funny thing is, no one in the group said a word about it; we all just pretended like he wasn't there, like it was too ridiculous not to be a hallucination.

If I encounter them in LFD/LFR, I will never come at a player for their low DPS. I don't care if their rotation is stupid and they are using all the wrong moves; I don't think that is a requirement within the LFG context.

That said, I did once do a Wrath heroic with a rogue who not only was wearing gear from Molten Core and classic pvp, but 100% of his damage was Shoot with his gun. No autoattacks, not a single special, nothing but Shoot for the entire thing.

The funny thing is, no one in the group said a word about it; we all just pretended like he wasn't there, like it was too ridiculous not to be a hallucination.

Was it after the LFD tool came out in 3.3? If that's the case I'm pretty sure he was definitely trolling you.

Was it after the LFD tool came out in 3.3? If that's the case I'm pretty sure he was definitely trolling you.

Yes.

I don't know if "trolling" is the word for it, but I don't actually believe that he thought that was how you play a rogue. I'm sure he was doing it to be silly or because he was bored, but it's still super weird, and I still think it's hilarious that we did the entire heroic with this elephant in the room that everyone was collectively pretending wasn't there, firing his gun.

We all run into someone, or people, who will pull low DPS. It's not my place to judge their play style, or question them as to why their DPS is so low. I'm not sure why individuals feel the need to discriminate either. Anyway, if I feel like a LFG run is going slow, I'll leave the dungeon and not worry about it. There's plenty of other things I can spend my time on, rather than having to worry about something so little.

It recuires Ilvl 480+. Being at 480+ at not being able to pull 50K is horrible players.

Actually being at 480 and puling 50-60k puts them in the very average normal players dps bracket - cause this was the dps most average guilds were doin in normal MV when hiting wall on pre nerf elegon.

Well, seen some horrendous play in 5 mans and LFR, but people are afk there and bots and stuff, so hard to judge that. The worst I have seen in an actual raid content was a mage we brought with when progressing on amber shaper normal in the first week, guess we were all in about 470 ilvl or so, and the mage was pulling 25-35k dps, really just horrendous. For sure the worst I have seen in actual raid content this expansion.

Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

That's exactly what I'd tell an asshat who claims that they have the right to play poorly and hold the group back because they don't give a damn about said group.

This, 10000 times this. I never said this to those people directly, most of the ones that I've seen do that were females, so naturally, since I am a female myself as well, if I ever said something about their gameplay, I would get laughed at and receive comments like ''lol you only say that cause you're a girl and everyone knows all girls hate each other'' or ''lol stop bitching, stupid girl'', so while I absolutely agree that people who don't give a damn about how the other 9 or 24 people in their group are feeling are better off playing single player games, I just don't say anything to them but avoid playing with them ever again politely saying ''no" if I am invited to a raid/dungeon/whatever with them. Really sad when something like this is holding back a progress raid group :/

We all run into someone, or people, who will pull low DPS. It's not my place to judge their play style, or question them as to why their DPS is so low. I'm not sure why individuals feel the need to discriminate either. Anyway, if I feel like a LFG run is going slow, I'll leave the dungeon and not worry about it. There's plenty of other things I can spend my time on, rather than having to worry about something so little.

+1

To the OP's question, 20K from a hunter during a 5 man.

“The only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life: your memories, your attachments. They burn 'em all away. But they're not punishing you,' he said. 'They're freeing your soul. Relax.”