Title says it all, I actually even called Cerini's yesterday to talk with them... but the person who had the details on the Cremina was not in... (thank goodness).

I have been looking on Ebay for a used Cremina for some time, but never pulled the trigger as I was always worried about the unknown. I am very handy, have a very nice shop (wood) and mechanically inclined - so it is not the prospect of rebuilding that scares me. It is more the time, and the fear of spending $500 to a $1000 and getting a machine that needs way more put into it due to misuse that is not obvious on the surface (like a damaged boiler, etc).

One thing I have noticed in my brief time on the hunt for a used Cremina, I have not really seen a semi-recent used one for sale. Maybe that says something - but why is that? I cannot recall seeing any past early 90's.

Anyway, I am sure there some here that know more about these than I will ever... if you would be so kind to share with someone who wants to learn, it would be much appreciated!!! :-)

Title says it all, I actually even called Cerini's yesterday to talk with them... but the person who had the details on the Cremina was not in... (thank goodness).

I have been looking on Ebay for a used Cremina for some time, but never pulled the trigger as I was always worried about the unknown. I am very handy, have a very nice shop (wood) and mechanically inclined - so it is not the prospect of rebuilding that scares me. It is more the time, and the fear of spending $500 to a $1000 and getting a machine that needs way more put into it due to misuse that is not obvious on the surface (like a damaged boiler, etc).

One thing I have noticed in my brief time on the hunt for a used Cremina, I have not really seen a semi-recent used one for sale. Maybe that says something - but why is that? I cannot recall seeing any past early 90's.

Anyway, I am sure there some here that know more about these than I will ever... if you would be so kind to share with someone who wants to learn, it would be much appreciated!!! :-)

Not at all. $3600 is a bargain for such a fine machine. Go for it! New is always nicer too. No worries, peace of mind. Better construction. More modern production methods (look at those gorgeous tig welds!).. With minimal care, these babies last FOREVER so might as well get the one you want.

I don't fault your wish for a new machine. If you buy one, you will know it is the most evolved design of the Cremina, will be made with the stainless boiler, will have a gauge, a choice of colors, the newest finish (powdercoat) newest cabinet design and of course a warranty. It will have all of the things that make the older units popular still, but better. There won't be any concern about asbestos lagging and all the electrics will be new.

The elegance and simplicity, and the fact that a relatively small (but incredibly sturdy) machine can make exceptional espresso. The footprint, for a domestic setting, is close to perfect. And like all manual lever machines, it is extremely quiet.

I looked hard at the Londinium also... that is a GREAT machine - problem I had was footprint - the depth 21 1/4 inches, making too deep for where I want to put it.

Considering the Cremina is a diminutive 8x11, and the Londinium is 13 x 21 - that makes the Londinium 273 sq in, which is over THREE times more counter space. In fact, the square inch foot print is more than some of the behemoth Semi Autos like the Duetto DB, Rocket DB, Vetrano DB. Think about that for a minute... by the way, I did not see a weight listed on the Londinium website. I probably don't want to know!

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