PorkyPig wrote:"I've asked several card holders how much they can obtain and that is what they told me. Dispensaries are happy to meet those needs.

The End Lyrics by Jim Morrison

1. that's what they can obtain not what they actually buy, and "several" is probably not statistically relevant in a population over 80,000. By the way, why are you hanging out with "several" patients if you believe them to be sinners?

"Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers."

PaulInArvada wrote:Getting stoned on pot is stupid. I'll keep voting to keep the dispensaries away from where I live. Cities, counties, states and communities that do will be better than those that don't. Just go hang with the stoners around the dispensaries and tell me that's what you want your kids to be doing.

PorkyPig wrote:"Good article! MMJ advocates are only shooting themselves in the foot. I know for a fact that 99.9 % of those with MMJ cards have feigned their symptoms to get MMJ because they can't get it anywhere else. There are many liberal scum bag doctors waiting to make a fast buck from dispensaries and do so. You will see this November when voters vote the new bill down. Many are sick and tired of all the seedy dispensaries popping up in their neighborhoods and the resulting seedy citizens who frequent them. They wanted MMJ for those who truly would benefit from it. I wouldn't want one next to my house. If one did pop up next to me I would sue the state for not following federal law. Its only a matter of time before someone does that. I also know for a fact that many MMJ card holders have become dealers and suppliers for those who don't have a card. How is it possible that you can buy 2 oz. every other day? Who can possible smoke that much? Well maybe this guy."

Where is your data to support people buying 2oz every other day?

"Denver will follow suit with the other communities who have voted them out. When that happens it will be good riddance to all the California liberal scum who have opened shop here. If it wasn't for all the California liberal scum who moved here, this problem would not have taken root here. Well, maybe in Boulder where the scum first planted itself."

I am a native and take offense to being called a liberal in the modern sense. I support freedom first. Do you realize the basis of modern drug law was rule by a liberal Supreme Court under that third worst president of the last 112 years, FDR? Here's a quick read on the main caselaw for banning drugs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn IF you want you government telling you what you can do with your own property, please move to China. If not, please help restore America to the Land of the Free.

I've asked several card holders how much they can obtain and that is what they told me. Dispensaries are happy to meet those needs. These are the 3 worst presidents in history.1. Carter2. Bush Jr.3. The beloved Obama.

Liberal scum only seek to degenerate society, especially those in the high courts.1. Legal gay marriage.2. Legalized drug use.The list goes on and on. It all started after the WWII generation. The greatest generation to live on this planet. After that it was a slow degeneration into abysmal scum. Especially starting with the sick, psychedelic sixties. Tune in, turn on and drop out man.

Its all fore told whether you want to believe it or not. Its called sinful degeneration into the abyss. It was foretold 2,000 years ago by a Jewish carpenter.

2 Timothy 3

3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 1

1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

This is the end my friend, my only friend the end.

The End Lyrics by Jim Morrison

This is the end, beautiful friendThis is the end, my only friendThe end of our elaborate plansThe end of ev'rything that standsThe end

No safety or surpriseThe endI'll never look into your eyes again

Can you picture what will beSo limitless and freeDesperately in need ofsome strangers handIn a desperate land

Lost in a Roman wilderness of painAnd all the children are insaneAll the children are insaneWaiting for the summer rainThere's danger on the edge of townRide the king's highwayWeird scenes inside the goldmineRide the highway West baby

Ride the snakeRide the snakeTo the lakeTo the lake

The ancient lake babyThe snake is longSeven milesRide the snake

He's oldAnd his skin is coldThe west is the bestThe west is the bestGet here and we'll do the rest

The blue bus is calling usThe blue bus is calling usDriver, where you taking us?

The killer awoke before dawnHe put his boots onHe took a face from the ancient galleryAnd he walked on down the hall

He went into the room where his sister livedAnd then he paid a visit to his brotherAnd then he walked on down the hallAnd he came to a doorAnd he looked insideFather?Yes sonI want to kill youMother, I want to.............

Come on, baby, take a chance with usCome on, baby, take a chance with usCome on, baby, take a chance with usAnd meet me at the back of the blue bus

This is the end, beautiful friendThis is the end, my only friendThe end

my my aren't those bible thumpers testy today. jimmy swaggert used to go around quoting scripture along with jim bakker and tammy faye. we all witnessed what happened to them in the "liberal" media. please keep the bible and jim morrison out of my bong.

Gee, Chuck Murphy, you sure paint a rosy picture of the days when folks used to go to Civic Center Park to buy their dime-bags. Do you really believe that those were fair and safe transactions? It really doesn't seem like you were being honest when you wrote this piece.

"Kilos, tons imported from a bloodthirsty Mexican cartel". Sorry, that is the old business model, championed by the likes of Chuck Murphy. Under the new model, weed is grown in Colorado and no one gets beheaded. Please tell me how marijuana prohibition makes anyone "honest".

Yo murph I was gonna tell it like it is and bad mouth your horrid attitude and misconception (not to mention lack of professionalism but then news article aren't much more than someone's blog anymore) of weed but reading thru all the comments before mine I think its been handled buddy. And to the one or two of the "antis" well don't comment on something you know nothing about. Keep up the good work murph! The people need more things like your article to work up the hate you seem to find so easy.

Tiberivs wrote:It is discouraging to witness so many fellow citizens who seem to be unaware of the difference between a columnist and a reporter. This is perhaps most apparent when reading comments to Littwin's writing.

I don't know where our country went wrong. Where people no longer understand even the basics about how newspapers operate, let alone the proper roles of government, or the contents and meanings of the Bill of Rights. It is, I fear, a symptom of a civilization in decline and will most likely only get worse.

Your correct, and many people get all their evening news from Jon Stewart. And they're proud of it.

So we should make policies based on your opinion of what is honest? Crazy...

You clearly don't know anyone that is truly in severe pain who benefits from medical marijuana. My grandma has horrible arthritis and prescription narcotics not only didn't help but were murder on her body. Are the prescription narcotic companies paying you to produce this column? Its a shame you'd want to take away the one thing keeping a little old lady from having severe pain. Monstrous.

Furthermore, if we could posses any amount we wanted and the drug was taken off the black market, then the cartels would be stripped of their income from marijuana as legitimate businesses began to sell marijuana. Think it through a little....

Honestly, Chuck? Don't judge people. Please, it just makes you, and the company you represent, look ignorant. I have a secret for you: some days my pain is so severe I don't leave bed. Can you please judge me on one of THOSE days? thanks buddy. Other days, my pain is less and I am so thankful for those days I can actually move. Sometimes, most days, I'm in between where I cringe at every bump in the road in the car and have a sharp pain in my neck opening a door, but I can usually save face so I don't mean mug everyone around me at the gas station, meeting with clients, or at the grocery store. I do my best to put out the appearance I'm not dying on the inside, I'm only 24. On the days I can't save face and still get out of bed people look at me funny, because I'm not in a good mood, and I'm limping and walking around cussing to myself because life sucks. On the crappiest of crappy days, the one you should come judge me on, are the ones where I can't move out of bed without pain x100 (of 1-10) and honestly you don't know everybody's story by looking and judging them. Should we figure out exact advertisement laws? yes. Do we need to judge people? Specifically do we need to teach our children (who could be reading your article) that judging people is something we all need to do? no. We should be grown ups and teach understanding that some people are cheating and some people are not and deal with it. But I guess I wouldn't have clicked the link either, keep writing what gets read not what needs to be said.

Hey Chuck, the thesis of your article is fundamentally flawed. You apparently advocate eliminating medical marijuana use for 94% of the current MMJ users, which would essentially relegate pot back to an illegal status for these individuals, forcing them to buy their supply (which they would continue to do) from criminal drug dealers, with all of the associated risk and crime that would accompany such sales and activities. How is that a better solution than the current situation, which nobody seems to be complaining about but you?

Hey Chuck - Be sure to call me when you are in "severe pain" so I can make sure you're "all good."

I guess we'll look for you at the 24/7 Walgreen's filling "sanctioned" scrips for vicodone, percocet and oxys and roxys at some point - - all more dangerous than the MMJ that keeps me from total and regular agony. You act as though severe pain is a joke - - you are obviously someone who doesn't have to live with it.

If you want to see the fraud known as 'medical' marijuana up close and personal, I would suggest you visit California where I live. It is literally everywhere. It's being sold to high school students as well as junior high students. I could walk out my front door right now and purchase "medical" marijuana within 2 minutes. It's easier to get than food. And they deliver. While this marijuana is suppose to be for sick people, anyone can purchase it. So called 'patients' are buying it from illegal dispensaries, or growing their own and then reselling it to anyone with cash. ANYONE. You can use it the same as cash on Craigs list to purchase household items and video game systems. Medical marijuana is a joke. And we the people are it's intended target and victim. It's time to wake up people. Don't fall victim in Colorado like we have in California. You will be sorry.

LindaTaylor wrote:If you want to see the fraud known as 'medical' marijuana up close and personal, I would suggest you visit California where I live. It is literally everywhere. It's being sold to high school students as well as junior high students. I could walk out my front door right now and purchase "medical" marijuana within 2 minutes. It's easier to get than food. And they deliver. While this marijuana is suppose to be for sick people, anyone can purchase it. So called 'patients' are buying it from illegal dispensaries, or growing their own and then reselling it to anyone with cash. ANYONE. You can use it the same as cash on Craigs list to purchase household items and video game systems. Medical marijuana is a joke. And we the people are it's intended target and victim. It's time to wake up people. Don't fall victim in Colorado like we have in California. You will be sorry.

You should see how we deal with alcohol here. It is literally every where. It is being sold to high school students as well as junior high school students. I could walk out my front door right now and purchase alcohol in 2 minutes. It is easier to get than food. And they deliver. Alcohol used to be only for sick people during prohibition, you had to get a medical license to consume alcohol then. Liquor stores have a lot of crime associated with them. Alcohol can be used to barter for anything.

I guess you would prefer that everyone return to buying marijuana on the street from drug dealers that do not pay taxes, check ID and may get their marijuana from murderous drug cartels in Mexico. If that happens, you will be sorry.

DonkeyHotay wrote:"Medical" marijuana in Colorado has become a complete SHAM !!

Any honest member if the industry knows that the vast majority of "patients" are merely recreational stoners hiding behind and abusing the pretense of Amendment 20.

This is one of the primary reasons for the current Political and Public reversals of opinion on marijuana as a whole.

The MMJ Pot Clowns played themselves as fools.

Reap what ye sow.

Do you think shutting down the dispensaries will stop people from using marijuana?Do you want the "recreational stoners" to return to buying it from illegal dealers?Illegal dealers do not check ID or pay taxes.

This is one of the primary reasons for the current Political and Public reversals of opinion on marijuana as a whole.

You have the question backwards. Why do we need to punish any more people for mj? When did this ever make sense?

Marijuana was outlawed for two major reasons. The first was because "All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what makes them crazy." The second was the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana - exactly the opposite of the modern "gateway" idea.

Only one doctor testified at the hearings for the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The representative of the American Medical Association said there was no evidence that mj was a dangerous drug and no reason for the law. He pointed out that it was used in hundreds of common medicines with no significant problems. In response, the committee told him to shut up and leave.

The only other "expert" was James C. Munch, a psychologist. His sole claim to fame was that he had injected cannabis directly into the brains of 300 dogs and two of them died. He said he didn't know what to conclude from this, because he wasn't a dog psychologist. He also testified in court, under oath, that mj could make your fangs grow six inches long and drip with blood. He also said that, when he tried it, it turned him into a bat. He was the only "expert" in the US who thought that mj should be illegal, so he was appointed US Official Expert on marijuana, where he served for 25 years.

Among the other reasons given for the law were:-- It has a terrible effect on the degenerate races, who are low mentally because of social and racial conditions.-- One unnamed girl knew another girl who smoked a joint with her boyfriend and they went so crazy that they eloped and got married.-- It causes insanity, criminality, and death

These were the major reasons for the law until 1951. In 1951, Harry Anslinger was up before Congress asking for more money to enforce the marijuana laws. Unfortunately for him, just before he testified, the head of the Federal addiction research program testified that they knew for certain that all of the reasons given to outlaw marijuana in 1937 were completely wrong. It didn't do any of things alleged.

Anslinger had the rug pulled out from under him. He had no justification for his request for more money. In fact, he had no justification for the marijuana laws at all. In response, he made up the idea that marijuana is the certain stepping stone to heroin. In doing so, he contradicted all the available evidence, as well as directly contradicting his own testimony from 1937. In 1937, he had testified that there was no connection between marijuana and heroin at all.

Regardless, the "gateway" idea became the major reason for marijuana prohibition -- even though there isn't a shred of evidence that would support it. The evidence that has been offered would fail any basic class in logic.

This isn't a new debate. Over the last 100 years, there have been numerous major government commissions around the world that have studied the drug laws and made recommendations for changes. They all reached remarkably similar conclusions, no matter who did them, or when, or where, or why.

In sum, they all concluded that marijuana prohibition accomplishes nothing worthwhile, and produces a lot of harm in the process. In short, it does more harm than good.

Of course, that is pretty much what you would expect from laws written by people who believed that mj will turn you into a bat.

You can find the full text of every major government commission on the drug laws from around the world over the last 100 years at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer under Major Studies of Drugs and Drug Policy.

Chuck Murphy needs to read the history and explain something: When were the marijuana laws ever based on anything but absolute lunacy?

Note that Harry Anslinger testifies that there is no connection at all between marijuana and heroin.

If you read the entire transcripts of the hearings, and the conventions before and after, the most common question is: What is this stuff? Invariably, people are surprised to hear that a dangerous drug can be made from the common hemp plant. Even the farmers who grow hemp are surprised to hear it.

Those who are new to the history should also read Licit and Illicit Drugs, by the editors of Consumer Reports at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library ... cumenu.htm This is the best overall review of the drug problem ever written. We know exactly when the drug crime problem started, and we know exactly why. The year was 1914 and the reasons are explained in the first few chapters.

Licit and Illicit Drugs also explains a number of times that our approach to drugs have caused more problems than they have solved. Historically speaking, the biggest single cause of drug epidemics among US children is anti-drug campaigns. See the chapters titled "How Speed Was Popularized," "How LSD Was Popularized," and "How to Launch a Nationwide Drug Menace."

Another excellent history to read is the Drug Hang-Up by Rufus King at http://druglibrary.org/special/king/dhu/dhumenu.htm This was written by a former president of the American Bar Association. He formed a committee with the American Medical Association to study US drug policy. He soon found out that the drug enforcement regime in the US Government does not like people questioning their policies.