to go off what arcand said, i found that yes aoe sucks on my bearbut if i dont do a pull right on my warrior (very close in gearing) aoe sucks on her too

for aoe pulls, esp major ones, i will charge, berserk, thrash, mangle-tab, swipe, mangle-tab, .......keeping thrash on cd, but still mangle-tabbing and keeping maul used as much as possible

but then again, aoe has always been a bitch for bearswe excel at single target

edit: oops knew i was forgetting somethingmy rotation is mostly muscle memory now so i dont even realize what buttons im hitting sometimes

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Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

No Swipe? I'm keenly aware that many of the pulls you're talking about last longer than the duration of Berserk, so it's not like you can just Mangle your way to victory. I'm bad at bear though, so I dunno.

I'm having some big problems with AoE threat on my bear, too. Marking doesn't even help in PuGs - they figure the icons are there for decoration.

I'm sporting a 336 gear rating in baby norms (running with my wife's 83 mage so we get Throne, Vortex, and Blackrock) with 81s through 83s, and I can't hold against AoE spells unless they hold off for a while.

Yes, I know they are supposed to, but we all know they don't. I had a hunter and rogue both pull aggro when I was pulling a boss to me instead of charging at it, because I wanted to position the Nasty Circles he creates. Two classes with misdirects almost died by pulling aggro on the pull. Pro players.

So let's just forget what people are supposed to do, and come up with ways to handle what they really do. Thrash with mangle-tab takes way too long to set up before AoEs commence. Thrash-Swipe then mangle tab is still too weak to hold in the opening seconds.

For you successful bears out there, what is your pull sequence for a group of 4-5 mobs assuming little to no reliable CC avaialable (as in your hunter uses Ice Trap to CC his target instead of Freezing Trap)?

see my first post in this thread for my mass aoe pulls, but you have to remember that bear threat is tied directly to our weaponif you look at my armory for catagon, you will notice he has the heroic polearm from VP

when i got that, my threat issues dropped alot, and if someone does pull one off me, esp single target, then they should have the gear to handle tanking himn for a sec

tl;dr threat low? get a better weapon

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Koatanga wrote:Two classes with misdirects almost died by pulling aggro on the pull. Pro players. Let's just forget what people are supposed to do, and come up with ways to handle what they really do.

Unless it leads to wipes, talk it over with your healer and consider letting them use the threat wipe that Fury warriors and Enhancement shamans depend on. (i.e., death) Mark a skull, tell them to kill that before they AOE, and if they decide to do otherwise, well ... they clearly are aware of the consequences.

Also, using CC means you have fewer adds to control, and AOE is less tempting.

Kelaan wrote:Also, using CC means you have fewer adds to control, and AOE is less tempting.

this is the main reason to cc when you are playing a bear

fewer adds to try to control = fewer targets for your dps to nuke = less mobs being pulled off of you due to abysmal aoe = less headaches for you and your healer

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Kelaan wrote:Fewer targets also makes it harder for DPS to choose the wrong one. /wishfulthinking

That's odd because the dps I know think the opposite.

The transformation of a trash mob to Frog form via Hex makes it the most dangerous creature in all of Wow. All dps must switch to the frog immediately and nuke it down before tribal Amazon indians skewer the frog, put it over a fire and then dip their arrows into the Frog's juices to make poison arrows which they will then use them on the 5 man heroic party.

Kelaan wrote:Fewer targets also makes it harder for DPS to choose the wrong one. /wishfulthinking

but they will pick the one you mangle last every time

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

I definitely understand the use of CC - it also buys me time while they are putting their CC up and changing targets.

The problem is when you mark a trap, the hunter trap-pulls, and you have the whole group walking slowly toward you through a patch of frost. Or they're on fire. Or being bitten by snakes. Basically anything except the popsicle you were expecting.

How they get through 80-odd levels without learning what trap does what is beyond me.

And god forbid you pull a group within 10 miles of the next group, or you can expect an autoshot-pull.

I also mark a skull for each pull, signifying the last thing I want killed, apparently.

in my expirience with pugsskull = ignore til everything else, including the next 3 trash pulls and/or boss, is downmoon = OMG! KILLER SHEEP/FROG! KILL KILL KILLsquare = cold mob, light it on fire! (or lonely mob, needs some snakes for pets)diamond = WTF i cant banish it! ouch my face! NUKE IT!(note: if not demon/elemental i say fear if possible on diamond) star = pickpocket, then ambush/backstab (actually had a rogue ask me wtf sap was /facepalm)X = aoe everything Circle = bah the other guy will get this one, ill "cc" the other mark (i use this for second sap/sheep/fear w/e i have 2 of)

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Kelaan wrote:Fewer targets also makes it harder for DPS to choose the wrong one. /wishfulthinking

That's odd because the dps I know think the opposite.

The transformation of a trash mob to Frog form via Hex makes it the most dangerous creature in all of Wow. All dps must switch to the frog immediately and nuke it down before tribal Amazon indians skewer the frog, put it over a fire and then dip their arrows into the Frog's juices to make poison arrows which they will then use them on the 5 man heroic party.

Frog>>>>>>>>>>skull on all levels.

Trust me on this one. Just trust me. My shaman speaks the truth.

I've got it! Use the frog as your marking tool! Since everyone seems to want to target it anyway...

When I'm on my DK, I try to avoid aoeing the entire group (ie. Howling Blast to get FF running) until I know the tank has the group situated. If that means the other dps has killed an unmarked mob before I jump in... so be it, but I don't want to be blamed for pulling aggro .

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Skye1013 wrote:Then we could just add damage to it/make it bounce to other targets and viola! Captain America for Bears!

Seriously though, bears don't have an interrupt?

skull bash....thats it, bash never works for me (maybe its cause im not hit-capped)

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

thus me agreeing with this ideaif it was ness, we could have a sunder armor type ability for the armor reduc, but im not sure if i really wanna be a furry warrior

edit: abbreviations are hard

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Nah, even better are when the tank asks the group to do their CC, but to let the hunter trap pull.

And your genius retadin runs in before the trap pull happens, hits Repentance on the skull...then attacks it.

After the second time of that shit, I quit CCing. I figure if the retadin was that eager to die, I was happy to accomodate.

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WTF are we supposed to do about the croc adds? Taunt one of them every 8 seconds? I even tried Challenging Roar, which they ignored completely. Even attacking one of them with a full solo threat rotation did not grab him off the healer, and I have 3 more of them to pick up.