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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

So We, you know, the People, do not get to decide what is acceptable and not in our own culture anymore? Judicial tyrants decide that for us now, do they?

Scary.

See, we got this thing in the US, you might have heard of it, called the constitution. Based on the constitution, specifically the 14th amendment, every one has a right to equal protection under the law. Enforcing the constitution is not judicial tyranny.

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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Originally Posted by pbrauer

False, you can decide for yourself what is acceptable, but you don't have the right to decide what rights people have, that is left for the Congress and the courts to decide. The tyranny of the majority...

Speaking of False, the "Congress and the courts to decide" only in their proper areas of jurisdiction... and only then if We the People, who are the sovereigns still here, yano, say they may.

Check out the 9th and 10 amendments in our Bill of Rights... while seldom used they are still applicable. If you don't think so, amend them as prescribed by our Constitution.

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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Originally Posted by 1750Texan

There is no provison in the Constitution that provides 'culture' equal protection...

Yes, yet we still do have the right to assemble with those we choose, to have the right to speak our minds, freedom to publish what we believe to be the right way to proceed, the right to petition our government for redress. And, of course, we have the freedom to practice the tenets of our various religions and philosophies... we also have provisions for changing how we are governed through amendment to our framework of governing. There are also reserved, enumerated and implied powers...

So when the Federal government wanders over, on purpose or through ignorance, and oversteps its boundaries, well it is sometimes that We the People that have to tell them in no uncertain terms who is still the boss here.

I think we are getting to that point here, and on boo-bamacare as well as other areas that are becoming overly concerning to which We the People can no longer just simply ignore.

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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate

Speaking of False, the "Congress and the courts to decide" only in their proper areas of jurisdiction... and only then if We the People,who are the sovereigns still here,yano, say they may. Check out the 9th and 10 amendments in our Bill of Rights... while seldom used they are still applicable. If you don't think so, amend them as prescribed by our Constitution.

Well yanno, you can't cherry pick the Constitution, claiming a vague right to set the 'culture' while ignoring the 14th which is very clear about equal protection.

Perhaps you can argue about the right to make everyone drink Coca-cola, but not exclude a group from full participation in that 'culture'.

re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Yes...and so...what?? Marriage, is not/should not be under the purview of the Federal government, for one thing. Those powers of conferment of such statuses are reserved to the states.

So the federal government through the federal courts are attempting a raw power grab of powers they don't, and should not, have.

The majority of the people may not be truly opposed to SSM, but on the other hand they may not truly be for it either, nationally. And so we should let the people in those communities in those states choose their own culture. Vote with your feet if you do not like it... but to impose the minority will on the majority, well, that smacks of tyranny...but...

Who cares about tyranny as long as you get what you want, right?

What power do the courts or the federal government gain by affording all the right to marry?

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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Originally Posted by sangha

You're wrong. That's what's "what"

Ouch!!

Well argued... sorry, but I must now tend to the grievous wounds you have so deftly inflicted ...

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re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

Another one bites the dust. It is noteworthy that not a single judge at any level has upheld a same-sex marriage ban since Windsor.

Populism is always a force to be reckoned with and usually can be counted on to make as silly decisions as here. On the other hand, gay marriage gives us a good chance to rethink the methods we use to subsidize families. If we eliminate subsidies wasted on marriage, we would have made good progress.