Now if an energy company that didn’t actually have any wind turbines, used a photo of one on their annual report cover, I’m pretty sure the Greens would condemn them for green-washing and false advertising. So will the Greens condemn their own annual report?

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I’m pretty sure MRP do have wind turbines DPF, because I highly doubt Gareth Hughes and the Green Party would go out and mislead the New Zealand public in such a scummy fashion. That would make Gareth Hughes a pretty shitty human being.

No, MRP may be looking at potentially building wind turbines, but at this stage, the company’s assets are hydro and geothermal (with a single gas turbine station). That can rather easily be confirmed by simply checking their website…

whikiwhatsit
The power cut was caused by Transpower, who are the grid monopoly and not for sale (yet). And though it was painful, the test was necessary, even if it went wrong. All the windturbines on the grid actually made the effect of the cut worse, but that is too much of an inconvenient fact for people to deal with.

ChrisM – Transpower could be difficult to sell off and if sold Transpower and the Government (as regulator) would at some time have to face the issues that are plaguing Chorus and the Government (as regulator). It would be like the current Chorus issue but on steroids. Basically, in some areas of activity, decision making needs to be based on what is required in the interests of customers and the general economy, rather than what makes the most money for shareholders. Although Transpower has tried to assess prospective projects on a commercial basis it could not satisfy itself that they would be profitable, for example a possible proposed power station could trash the economics of a transmission project – in other words there was a ‘market failure’ requiring decision making to be based on other objectives. Similarly, Transpower had tried to contract out engineering functions to consultants, but this undermines the integrity of its fundamental engineering processes. Transpower has made engineers and others redundant only to have to hire them back again a few years later.

So Transpower could be the last State entity that the Government would consider selling down or off.

@ Ryan….isn’t that what they all say, the ‘greenies’ to some extent. When I was at Uni/college I wanted to be popular so did what my peers were doing so i’d fit in!? Vegitarian and save the whales (for older greenies and CND etc)…lets face it what else was he doing at Uni/Collage as he doesn’t look like a sports player of any sort, can’t see how any woman would find him desirable so that leaves him with ummmm…a chess club organiser and hall monitor bully looking guy?, he would fit right in as a cast member of The Big Bang Theory without the brains!

So if we judge the substance of a our politicians based on the reality of the props used in photos, how do we interpret the photo of John Key taken with a couple of Homosexual Entertainers in the background?

Now if an energy company that didn’t actually have any wind turbines, used a photo of one on their annual report cover, I’m pretty sure the Greens would condemn them for green-washing and false advertising. So will the Greens condemn their own annual report?

Puketoi Wind Farm
In August 2011 Mighty River Power lodged resource consent applications for a 53-turbine 326MW wind farm in the Puketoi Ranges, south of Dannevirke. This project has progressed through a public hearing and a decision on the awarding of consents is now imminent.

Turitea Wind Farm is a proposed wind farm being developed by Mighty River Power (MRP) for the Palmerston North District Council. Most of the land is located in the Turitea Reserve, near Turitea, in Palmerston North, New Zealand. The project was initially planned for 131 wind turbines[2] with a capacity of over 300 MW,[3] with final approval of 60 turbines or 180 MW.[1]
The wind farm is proposed for land owned by the Palmerston North District Council. In 2005 and following a competitive bid process, the Council selected MRP to develop the project.[4]

Not really unusual to show future technology an annual report. Say, if e.g. if AIr NZ on it’s annual report last year would have shown a 787 Dreamliner, would you have been mocking them that they don’t really own a 787?

Yep, that’s because they are company in a competitive market and can’t been seen to be being dishonest to their shareholders and customers.

But jump forward a little, Kiwipower, with a legislated monopoly position and zero accountability to anything but the government de-jour will be telling us it’s 100% renewable the moment it’s given its state owned right to trade on perception rather than reality.

The wind turbine image is a positive image of what our energy future should/could be, rather than indicative of how MRP generates its electricity.

The Greens would hardly put up a coal generation plant image, unless they want a very negative one. Don’t think MRP has any of them either, do they? Suspect will leave that imagery for the Genesis float.

so to the greens a positive image of our energy future on a bullshit document is a bird killing blade of limited economic and energy generation return that takes up massive amounts of space, blighting the landscape.

“If Auckland needs a convention centre it should get one that is not attached to a public health menace and which is paid for honestly. It’s not right for it to be paid for by the misery of thousands of families, businesses and 6500 children who officials estimate will be harmed by this deal.

“The Greens will campaign right up to the next election against this deal. In Government we will act quickly. We have not committed to uphold the contract or the compensation and we will introduce much tougher rules in casinos and pokie bars.

If you want to go down that line of argument, Grendel, coal kills far more than nuclear.

I would support nuclear over coal for China. But in NZ, nuclear is just not feasible, for both technical and economic reasons. And we have plenty of renewable energy resources to exploit, so no need for either.

Off-topic (DPF may have something to say about that), but responding anyway:

Basic constitutional principles, Pete.

Every Government is sovereign, so any Government can amend or repeal any legislation passed by a previous government.

If they get the opportunity to, the Greens should repeal this legislation. It is cronyism, it favours one competitor over others, it increases harm from problem gambling, it protects SkyCity’s casino licence from the challenge other casinos will soon face until 2048… In short, it is one of the most undemocratic Bills to ever be passed.

Just because Greens don’t agree with it doesn’t make it undemocratic. It passed through Parliament, that’s what’s how it works in our democracy.

If Greens force a contract trashing especially with no compensation they will lose any credibility as a party in Government. Ok, they can’t lose something they have never had, but it will probably be their only shot at being in power.

Fair comment re “undemocratic” – that was probably an inappropriate term, although I wonder what sort of pressure/incentives were applied to Peter Dunne & John Banks to support this travesty that allows SkyCity to expand an “industry” that most New Zealanders want to be reduced.

A few years ago, I was visiting Norfolk Island, whose law is largely covered by Australian federal law. A norfolk local told me a story about an Australian “entrepreneur” who wanted to bring pokies into Norfolk (which the law allowed).

The problem with Norfolk is that there is no deep water port, so all freight has to be offloaded onto small boats, crewed by locals, to get to shore.

The problem for the Australian “entrepreneur” is that the locals crewing the boats didn’t want pokies on their island so declared “bad weather” and every pokie machine on the ship happened to end up on the seabed off the Norfolk coast in transit to the island.

All power to the people of Norfolk Island, and I still hope those of us who oppose pokie expansion in New Zealand will succeed.

You do know that pokie numbers are still planned on reducing don’t you? Isn’t it better to put what we have in less locations rather than spread throughout the ‘burbs?

I don’t like pokies but as with many things it’s a lot harder in practice to just eliminate all of something you don’t like than by agreeing on idealistic policy at a happy clappy meeting.

Greens have a major image problem as being draconian. That’s scaring away potential support and will limit growth (and could easily reverse it), especially if the regulation razzmatazz gets put into action.

trust the greens to support destruction of private property as well, does not surprise me that toad is happy that some muppets in norfolk destroyed private property of other people, of course destruction of private property is the greens mo if its suits their needs.

see how toad assumes corruption of others? its becuase its all the greens know for themselves. he knows the greens have sold out and do whatever greenpeace tell them to do so naturally assume that banks and dunne would sell out the same. in their world only the greens make decisions based on evidence, everyone else is due to dubious motives.

of course this is from the only party that organised a campaign of arson against other parties from their leaders office.

@ Ryan….isn’t that what they all say, the ‘greenies’ to some extent. When I was at Uni/college I wanted to be popular so did what my peers were doing so i’d fit in!? Vegitarian and save the whales (for older greenies and CND etc)…lets face it what else was he doing at Uni/Collage as he doesn’t look like a sports player of any sort, can’t see how any woman would find him desirable so that leaves him with ummmm…a chess club organiser and hall monitor bully looking guy?, he would fit right in as a cast member of The Big Bang Theory without the brains!

Fucking hell, Kapiti, did you go to university in a ’80s college frat movie?