Finally, a swedish Politician speaks on chemtrails in our skies!

Originally posted by Char-Lee
Obama’s Science Adviser Says Chemtrails Will Save the Planet

Holdren sees geo-engineering as a perfectly viable way to cool the planet’s temperature. He fully supports the process of releasing particles of
barium, magnesium, aluminum, nano-fibers, bacillus blood spores and other chemicals to reflect sunlight away from the Earth.

The National Institute of Health has found that geo-engineering is directly responsible for neurotoxins found in human blood, lungs; as well as
causing a whole host of neurotoxic conditions such as multiple sclerosis.

I don't agree with all of this article, I believe the arctic ice is melting for instance, but this shows they have no problem with spraying the
population.

Sorry- just copying and pasting an article doesn't make it true...Can you actually provide any substance to the claim that Holdren "fully supports
the...releasing particles of barium, magnesium, aluminum, nano-fibers, bacillus blood spores"

or do you just believe it to be true because you read it on the internet?

Discussing a myriad of possible geo-engineering possibilities does not mean A) they are already being implemented and have been for the last decade
and B) Chemtrails are real

And if they're spraying us secretly, where are the thousands of planes used? Why haven't we seen any pictures of them? Why haven't any of the
thousands of people involved (from the people that modify the planes, to the people that service them, to the people that operate them) come forward?
There are so many holes in the chemtrail theory that can't be plugged it isn't funny.

Secondly although it is neither here not there...cloud seeding IS done in numerous ways..here is a cloud seeding plane. Just ONE of the types used.
But this again is not the point, the spraying the did here was not seeding any clouds! www.nawcinc.com...

If cloud seeding is not the point- then why do you bring it up??

CLoud seeding as is done by the plane in your picture- and indeed as has been done around the world for decades- in the open- has NOTHING to do with
supposed "chemtrails"

They do not "spray" anything- they burn ice flares into PRE-EXISTING rain clouds..
They do not use jets flying at high altitudes...
They do not leave persistent spreading trails...

Bringing up cloud seeding is just a strawman argument designed to distract from the fact that there is NO "proof" that a persistent contrail is
really a "chemtrail"

Holdren sees geo-engineering as a perfectly viable way to cool the planet’s temperature. He fully supports the process of releasing particles of
barium, magnesium, aluminum, nano-fibers, bacillus blood spores and other chemicals to reflect sunlight away from the Earth.

He also sent this out clarifying his comments about geo engineering...

I said that the approaches that have been surfaced so far seem problematic in terms of both efficacy and side effects, but we have to look at the
possibilities and understand them because if we get desperate enough it will be considered. I also made clear that this was my personal view, not
Administration policy. Asked whether I had mentioned geo-engineering in any White House discussions, though, I said that I had. This is NOT the same
thing as saying the White House is giving serious consideration to geo-engineering – which it isn’t — and I am disappointed that the headline
and the text of the article suggest otherwise.

You said there is no proof things are being sprayed...there are a ton of diffident people and corps and gov spraying and there is a ton of proof, if
you don't want to see it fine.

Do you happen to have any links that can show these different people,corps, and gov spraying, and please share all this proof you say is available
because as of yet it hasn't actually been shown to be happening?

"The study was secretive for reason. They didn't have volunteers stepping up and saying yeah, I'll breathe zinc cadmium sulfide with
radioactive particles," said Martino-Taylor.

While the Army admits it added a florescent substance to the zinc cadmium compound, details of whether it was radioactive remains secretDocuments
uncovered to date indicate the Army never conducted follow-up studies to see whether the compound caused long term health issues.

In 1972, after years of crime, poverty, and decline, the government destroyed the Pruitt -Igoe housing complex.

None of which is denied. But ZERO proof that any of it would manifest itself into what the ignorant and easily deluded call chemtrails. Indeed,
there is ZERO evidence that whatever chemtrails might be, if they exist, they would be in any way visible from the ground. Though considerable
evidence that they would not be, based on the various (often conflicting) suggesting as to what they are.

It's like arguing that unicorns must exist because there are lots of reports of people seeing sheep ....... And since people see sheep than
unicorns must exist ........

The spraying of a potentially toxic chemical in several cities in Army tests in the 1950's and 60's apparently had no adverse health effects, a
National Research Council committee said today.

In most of the Army tests, people were exposed to such small amounts of the compound that they would have been likely to get higher doses of
cadmium from environmental and industrial sources, the report said.

''Even when we assume the worst about how this chemical might behave in the lungs, we conclude that people would be at a higher risk simply from
living in a typical urban, industrialized area for several days or, in some cases, for months,'' Dr. Henderson said.

The committee said that exposure to the compound during the tests generally was very low and that the cadmium in the compound was in an insoluble
form that made it hard for the body to absorb and retain.

Secondly although it is neither here not there...cloud seeding IS done in numerous ways..here is a cloud seeding plane. Just ONE of the types used.
But this again is not the point, the spraying the did here was not seeding any clouds! www.nawcinc.com...

If cloud seeding is not the point- then why do you bring it up??

CLoud seeding as is done by the plane in your picture- and indeed as has been done around the world for decades- in the open- has NOTHING to do with
supposed "chemtrails"

They do not "spray" anything- they burn ice flares into PRE-EXISTING rain clouds..
They do not use jets flying at high altitudes...
They do not leave persistent spreading trails...

Bringing up cloud seeding is just a strawman argument designed to distract from the fact that there is NO "proof" that a persistent contrail is
really a "chemtrail"

AGAIN you clearly did NOT read the thread! I brought it up because the other poster said NOTHING is being sprayed at all! This is provable open
spraying and it clearly IS done!

Why don't one of you smart people tell me what that grid pattern I showed you is for?

None of which is denied. But ZERO proof that any of it would manifest itself into what the ignorant and easily deluded call chemtrails. Indeed,
there is ZERO evidence that whatever chemtrails might be, if they exist, they would be in any way visible from the ground. Though considerable
evidence that they would not be, based on the various (often conflicting) suggesting as to what they are.

It's like arguing that unicorns must exist because there are lots of reports of people seeing sheep ....... And since people see sheep than
unicorns must exist ........

Again what do you think the purpose of the grid pattern I watched them make, finish and leave...is for? Oh yes I forgot, these don't count as proof
because it is only the word of the people who saw them made.

"The study was secretive for reason. They didn't have volunteers stepping up and saying yeah, I'll breathe zinc cadmium sulfide with
radioactive particles," said Martino-Taylor.

While the Army admits it added a florescent substance to the zinc cadmium compound, details of whether it was radioactive remains secretDocuments
uncovered to date indicate the Army never conducted follow-up studies to see whether the compound caused long term health issues.

In 1972, after years of crime, poverty, and decline, the government destroyed the Pruitt -Igoe housing complex.

Nobody on here ever said the governments are incapable of doing such things.

We know about these kinds of tests done secretly on the public in the past.

If anything it would be harder nowadays to carry out such activities because of modern media like the internet, everything has a digital footprint, it
is easier for information to be leaked and spread in the public domain. Years ago things were different and secrets were kept for a long time before
the public got to hear of it.

Does that mean nefarious covert activities don't happen anymore? No it doesn't. But it certainly should be more evident that there is a massive
worldwide operation involving hundreds of aircraft, tonnes of materials and thousands of people. There should be logistical evidence, let alone
witness testimony. But there isn't.

Secondly although it is neither here not there...cloud seeding IS done in numerous ways..here is a cloud seeding plane. Just ONE of the types used.
But this again is not the point, the spraying the did here was not seeding any clouds! www.nawcinc.com...

If cloud seeding is not the point- then why do you bring it up??

CLoud seeding as is done by the plane in your picture- and indeed as has been done around the world for decades- in the open- has NOTHING to do with
supposed "chemtrails"

They do not "spray" anything- they burn ice flares into PRE-EXISTING rain clouds..
They do not use jets flying at high altitudes...
They do not leave persistent spreading trails...

Bringing up cloud seeding is just a strawman argument designed to distract from the fact that there is NO "proof" that a persistent contrail is really
a "chemtrail"

AGAIN you clearly did NOT read the thread! I brought it up because the other poster said NOTHING is being sprayed at all! This is provable open
spraying and it clearly IS done!

Why don't one of you smart people tell me what that grid pattern I showed you is for?

But thats just it...cloud seeding isn't "spraying"- they burn flares, often from the ground...

To suggest because they seed clouds therefore "chemtrails" are real isn't a logical path to truth.

The "grid pattern" is for...air travel....there are thousands of planes flying everyday...by logical necessity, many of those planes will cross paths-
if there are air is conducive to persistent contrails the result will look like a grid...

And if they're spraying us secretly, where are the thousands of planes used? Why haven't we seen any pictures of them? Why haven't any of the
thousands of people involved (from the people that modify the planes, to the people that service them, to the people that operate them) come forward?
There are so many holes in the chemtrail theory that can't be plugged it isn't funny.

There have been many pictures both of the planes and the trails but you will never accept any of them I am thinking.

Originally posted by Char-Lee
what do you think the purpose of the grid pattern I watched them make, finish and leave...is for? Oh yes I forgot, these don't count as proof
because it is only the word of the people who saw them made.

It's very clearly caused by people from location A flying to location B. Whilst those in location in C fly to location D. And some from location C
fly to location E and others from location F fly to location T ......

There are actually a LOT of airports in the world. And most, for some strange reason, are not next to one another, so aircraft to and from them all
have to criss cross each other @@:

If you find air traffic to be unacceptable I'm afraid there's not a lot you can do about it except pray for the price of flying to go up and hope
people revert to using cars, boats and trains for long distance travel.

I take it then that you never fly, you actively discourage your family and friends from flying, and never, ever, buy produce transported by air. Oh,
and only send letters by surface mail. Wherever in the world.

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