Do you get tired of the government and media

Subject: Do you get tired of the government and media Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:26 pm

I don't know about you but I have noticed something, and please tell me if I am wrong. Whenever we push for disclosure the media puts on Independance Day, MIB, War of the Worlds. These are campaigns to try to get you to believe what their perception of alien beings is.

My personal experience is so totally and completely different. The Andromedans, Alpha Centaurians, Bellatraxians, Orions, Syrians, Pleiadians, Tau Cetians, Ummites, Zeta Reticuli live exist outside the 3rd dimension and are not bound by time and space. They are not evil monsters trying to take over the planet. They are beings of great benevolence for which all of the following masters, Buddha, Krishna, Enoch, Abraham, Ezeikiel, Elijah, Jacob, Jesus, Mohammad and many others were in touch with.

They wish us to learn to communicate telepathically, levitation, instanaeous healing, molecular matter manipulation. And by the way, all of those things will solve the worlds so called problems. We can heal the sick, feed the masses, stop suffering, so why would we not want to.

Because the GOVERNMENT and Media wants YOU to be a SHEEPLE. WAKE UP and experience what is truly available to you. Please visit http://nwufochasers.com and research out the extensive video library of irrefutable proof that we are members of not just the United States, United Nations, but the World, the Galaxy, the Universe, and the 5th - 12th dimensions of existence.

Tuning yourself in to the messages that are being broadcasted telepathically doesn't mean your crazy. Your brain has this capacity of perception normally. The government even has technology that was alien and has reverse engineered it to broadcast extra low frequency which you feel in your head not your ears. It is called HARRP.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:05 am

nwufochasers wrote:

Tuning yourself in to the messages that are being broadcasted telepathically doesn't mean your crazy. Your brain has this capacity of perception normally.

Have you noticed that people who do this all come up with a different picture? I challenged this kind of information gathering once, and it failed epically. People are inclined to do this because they don't want to read and use their brain.

Subject: Most people are addicted to Television with a government subliminal message! Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:21 pm

Most people are addicted to Television with a government subliminal message!

Just ask yourself this question, If you were capable of communicating telepathically, able to walk on water, create bread to feed the masses, and move in and out of another dimension, would they call you crazy? You bet they would and I found out they go to great lengths to actually commit homicide against who they feel is a threat. The story of Jesus is one of truth, they persecuted him then and they will persecute him again. Now I am NOT a bible thumper, I am in contact with Benevolent Alien Intelligence, sometimes referred to as NORDIC ANGELS. They have taken me under their wing so to speak and have modified my DNA so that I can communicate with them telepathically. They are trying to relay a message along to mankind. The problem seems to be that 22 superior alien races are genetically modifying humanity and basically experimenting on us. We are the ants to them as the anst are to us. Have you ever tried to warn an ant that he is about to encounter danger. No we take them and play with their genetics and make them luminesce or grow legs where they are not supposed to.

I am not just ranting or theorizing I actually have collected PROOF!

Start Here - http://acardworld.psend.com/cgi/aliens.cgi?20

Then Watch This - http://acardworld.psend.com/cgi/authors.cgi?0 and by the way this guy worked for the government and so did I.

Then enjoy all the videos for FREE on http://www.nwufochasers.com password nwufochasers

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:49 pm

nwufochasers wrote:

Most people are addicted to Television with a government subliminal message!I am not most people

The story of Jesus is one of truth, they persecuted him then and they will persecute him again. Now I am NOT a bible thumper, I am in contact with Benevolent Alien Intelligence, sometimes referred to as NORDIC ANGELS.

Actually, the story of Jesus is based on a rewrite of a more original "doom" story whose main character was a woman. After the rewrite, this woman suddenly had a husband, and then a son (the dying god). Paul's approach was based on the rewrite - and he failed epically. The "doom" was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago, and simply put, it did not. It was the church (thanks to Constantine) who created the religion we are still tripping over. If you actually read the NT you will find the verses that show this.

Some people today believe the verse Matt 24:14 holds the answer concerning why this end never happened and was still coming:"... the good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

In other words, the end didn't come 2000 years ago because the ‘whole world’ didn't hear the news. Without getting into a debate concerning what ‘all the world’ meant to them, or, wondering why ‘God’ didn't explain to his messengers that ‘the world’ was a lot bigger than they realized, let's just cut to the chase because it seems it was believed that was already done, and 'God' never corrected the error. The bold print is for emphasis.

Romans 1:8 … I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 16:25 26 … according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations….

Colossians 1:5 6 … of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the good news, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world….

Colossians 1:23 … the hope of the good news which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven….Young’s Literal Translation says: … which was preached in all the creation that [is] under the heaven….

It becomes apparent without an interpretational argument, that the messengers say the word was preached to every creature under heaven, the mistake was never corrected by God for the benefit of believing humanity, and so, the END was for them – coming; hence the following remarks are also made. Remember, this was written TO THE PEOPLE THEN, NOT TO US. This idea is no different from any other failed apocalyptic ‘prophecy’ written during the last 2000 years. When you read it you MUST see this approach as letters written to the people THEN, at which time you must ask WHY doom and salvation from this doom - never happened. If you look at each letter / epistle from the writers you will see to whom was it written. At this point follow the context and keep telling yourself that this is a work like any other written apocalyptic work written at any time in history.

… there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Mt.16:27, 28 Never happened.)

… there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power. (Mk.9:1 Never happened.)

… it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand. (Ro.13:11, 12 Never happened.)

… you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1Cor.1:7, 8 Never happened.)

… the time has been shortened. (1Cor.7:29 Never happened.)

… the form of this world is passing away. (1Cor.7:31 Never happened.)

Now these things … were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages has come. (You can’t get any plainer than that. 1Cor.10:11 Never happened.)

… we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed … (1Cor.15:51 Never happened.)

… we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ … (Phil.3:20 Never happened.)

… now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, our gathering together to Him … (2Thes.2:1,2 Never happened.)

The Lord is near. (Phil.4:5 Never happened.)

God … in these last days has spoken to us through His Son … (Heb.1:1,2 Never happened.)

But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. (Heb.8:13 Never happened.)

For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay. (Heb.10:37 Never happened.)

Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. (James 5:7 Never happened.)

… the coming of the Lord is at hand. … the Judge is standing right at the door. (James 5:7 9 Never happened.)

He … has appeared in these last times for the sake of you … (1Pet.1:20 Never happened.)

… according to His great mercy has caused us … who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (1Pet. 1:5 Never happened.)

The end of all things is at hand. (1Pet.4:7 Never happened.)

For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God … (1Pet.4:17 Never happened.)

But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. (2Pet.3:13 Never happened.)

And the world is passing away … (1Jn.2:17 Never happened.)

Children, it is the last hour … from this we know that it is the last hour. (1Jn.2:18 Never happened.)We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is. (1Jn.3:2 Never happened.)

… we may have confidence in the Day of Judgment … (1Jn.4:17 Never happened.)

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond servants the things which must shortly take place … (Rv.1:1 Never happened.)

… for the time is near. (Rv.1:3 Never happened.)

Because you have kept the word of my perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth. (Rv.3:10 Never happened.)

Behold, I am coming quickly… (Rv.22:12 Never happened.)

Yes, I am coming quickly. (Rv.22:20 Never happened.)

If your "contacts" believe Jesus is real, then I would suggest reading the book and getting the answers.

I would also suggest reading what the scholars have to say.http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2thessalonians.html

Answer one question - What is the Nag Hammadi? Don't pretend you have heard of it! The Nag Hammadi is factual written evidence of the accounts of Jesus. Jesus never wrote the bible, but I like the way you try to pick it apart by shifting the blame of the written material to his disciples.

Here is a link to the truth. - http://acardworld.psend.com/cgi/websites.cgi?3

You are playing at scholarship, but even if you had a PHD in Theology you would be hard pressed to prove anything to me. I am in touch with beings who know Jesus and all of his disciples very well.

Unless you have control over your glandular systems in your own body and are capable of high frequency resonation through those glandular systems leading to separation of the light body essence, then you have no idea what is in the realm that is just beyond your sight within the 3rd dimension. The 4th Dimension is time and these beings and I we move in the 5th dimension and beyond. Now if by some chance you are capable of out of body experience by astral travel then you would be able to manifest by simple thought process but I already know that you personally have been unable to overcome your fear.

Levitation (walking on water), Matter Manipulation (feeding the masses), Instantaneous Healing (laying on of hands), light body essence astral space travel beyond the third dimension is all possible, but only if you have your defective DNA medically altered by an advanced species of beings that know Jesus and his disciples.

Your immediate response will be one of anger, then you will question the reality of what I have said here, then you will come looking for the master, and frustration will set in because you had a glimpse of the potential possibilities of that are in the hear and now. Proving that you are worthy takes a long time in the third dimension of reality. Most individuals just don't have the capacity for the compassion, understanding, and love for humanity that is needed to evolve. This is what usually wakes people up and they get angry like you are doing now realizing that you are in penenence. In other words you are in a place that you did not ask to be but were put because you sinned!

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:12 pm

free wheel wrote:

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No, not at all. I have been down this road hundreds of times

But with different travelling companions !

FW .

LOL ...

The first question that should be asked about the Nag Hammadi regards dating. Everything is well after the fact and useless. There were different versions of Christianity as well, and the question is begged: WHY? If there was a single truth why (just like today) are people going in different directions? If there was a god, he certainly isn't taking care of his "flock". This doesn't even touch on the people who were killed over the first 3 centuries for believing.

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Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:37 pm

free wheel wrote:

If there was a God , he may very well be taking care of his flock . Just maybe you are not one of them !

Not wishing to sound like a bible basher co's i'm not . Just making a point !

FW .

Point taken, however, when data and common sense alone can overthrow the alleged creator of all, there is no creator. We are taught to have faith, which is the later word for the idea of believing. Believing is another word for "just take my word for it." Sorry, if "thinking" is the kryptonite that affects god, then something is terribly wrong with this picture. MAN, for control sake, would push an idea like that. We say it about all the other religions, why can't we say it about ours? THAT - is control.

You both have great minds! There is no one answer to anything. Personal Experience can greatly enhance faith. I respect both of you highly for your opinions! I would feel priviledged if you would consider joining my group for discussion - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=365878156126

Not to change the subject but I think both of you might find this interesting - http://acardworld.psend.com/cgi/aliens.cgi?24

BUT I FIND IT DANGEROUS! Here is my reasoning for finding it dangerous - This video is dangerous! Realize no mans interpretation of the bible is the answer to anything. JESUS never wrote any biblical scripture. BUDDHA, KRISHNA, ABRAHAM, EZEIKIEL, JESUS, ELIJAH MOHAMMAD were all real people, who had real answers. To blindly put your hands in a deliverance ministry who calls all aliens fallen angels and they disappear when you call on the name of JESUS is a LIE! If they can LIE like that what can they do to your mind? This is an example of an extension of a government program to corral the sheeple and get you to believe in GOOD vs EVIL. If they can succeed in getting you to believe in GOOD vs EVIL then they can scare you. With fear they can control you. They will also try to tell you that I don't want you to believe in JESUS CHRIST or any other spiritual master, but they would be wrong. THE CREATOR GOD created more than just the third dimension we live in. In the 5th dimension, which is outside of TIME just the thoughts create your reality. So if you think good thoughts that reality manifests. This is also true in the third dimension but takes longer to manifest. That is why anything that has or can be thought of ultimately starts to become reality. Christian Deliverance Ministries are not all bad or all good but you are the one in control of yourself and GOD who loves you is always there for you to call upon.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:03 am

nwufochasers wrote:

There is no one answer to anything.

Oh yes there is There HAS to be. This idea is akin to believing that there is no one definition to any particular word. EVERYTHING has an answer; EVERYTHING is definable. Where there is no definite answer to a question, the "searching" is not complete.

Personal Experience can greatly enhance faith.

If "faith" is taken as originally defined (a dataless belief), I agree. However, believing without data to back it up is exactly that - a "belief." It is akin to believing Godzilla exists because there are motion pictures that have shown the creature.

I respect both of you highly for your opinions! I would feel priviledged if you would consider joining my group for discussion - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=365878156126

Umm ... not to be a problem here, I don't do Facebook or Twitter or any of the other like gathering places on the web.

Not to change the subject but I think both of you might find this interesting - http://acardworld.psend.com/cgi/aliens.cgi?24

Actually, what that video represents is the constant putting and keeping of the human mind inside the proverbial box. If you notice, it's the same rhetoric over, and over, and over. It keeps you in a time frame of TODAY; it pounds you with the base question over and over and over: WHAT'S GOING ON? ARE UFO'S REAL? Jesus H. O'Brian I have been hearing that crap since the 1950s (and I was there). THERE is your conspiracy (if you want to call it that). Keep the animals in a mind cage. Don't let them think beyond the parameters of "TODAY." AARGGHH - yes, it is dangerous - because people (who believe that crap) are being kept in a mind cage.

BUT I FIND IT DANGEROUS! Here is my reasoning for finding it dangerous - This video is dangerous! Realize no mans interpretation of the bible is the answer to anything. JESUS never wrote any biblical scripture. BUDDHA, KRISHNA, ABRAHAM, EZEIKIEL, JESUS, ELIJAH MOHAMMAD were all real people, who had real answers. To blindly put your hands in a deliverance ministry who calls all aliens fallen angels and they disappear when you call on the name of JESUS is a LIE! If they can LIE like that what can they do to your mind? This is an example of an extension of a government program to corral the sheeple and get you to believe in GOOD vs EVIL. If they can succeed in getting you to believe in GOOD vs EVIL then they can scare you. With fear they can control you. They will also try to tell you that I don't want you to believe in JESUS CHRIST or any other spiritual master, but they would be wrong. Data would prove that last statement conclusively, and I have already proven that Jesus was an added character to a story roughly 3000 - 3500 years before that story emerged. The brainwashing for control began WAY before people think it did.

THE CREATOR GOD created more than just the third dimension we live in.

WHAT creator god? The original one - the SUN? Or the myriad of changes that came after that which also would include the Hebrew god? There was no creator god c 5500 BC or before. People created that idea out of fear of death when a snap global climate change hit, and DOOM was seen as coming. If we look at the picture, and see that "objects in the sky" were the same then as we see today, balls of light, how hard would it be to figure that the BIGGEST "ball of light" (the SUN) must be head honcho?

In the 5th dimension, which is outside of TIME just the thoughts create your reality. So if you think good thoughts that reality manifests. This is also true in the third dimension but takes longer to manifest.

Does it? I will bet you that the first century christians thought some of the best "good thoughts" you could imagine. Not only did nothing change, but for three centuries they died horrible deaths for their beliefs. Oh wait, I forgot ... they were MARTYRS. Give me a break.

That is why anything that has or can be thought of ultimately starts to become reality. Christian Deliverance Ministries are not all bad or all good but you are the one in control of yourself and GOD who loves you is always there for you to call upon.

This has been (to a greater or lessor extent) the background thought in the minds of christians (at least) since this bogus belief system started. Not only has nothing changed, but if you look at history - life sucked - and these people died from disease and doom and anything else - oh gee, just like today.

In the beginning of this you said there is no one single answer to anything, but yet you are giving answers. How is it we cannot know, and yet, know? How can there be no answers, and yet, you have answers?

"Answers" must be based in solid (or as solid as we can get, hence fuzzy logic) data. Data must be sought in the endless "field" of history, not just in the local garden of history. That video above is LOCAL GARDEN. We need to explore the endless FIELD of history, beginning in the 1500s, going back to the BC / AD transition, then back further to C 3500 BC, then back to C 13,500 BC, then back as far as I have been able to get, which is about 40,000 BC. Is there more? Probably. But we will never know unless we look.

In the manuscript I am sitting on, I began by asking a question: How do we fix the world? Well, what are the component parts? There really is only one - the brain. E V E R Y T H I N G that is going on today boils down to one simple fact: cognition / thinking. The world IS ... we INTERPRET what we see without realizing the HOW'S of brain activity. We label and sort the pieces of the picture, and everyone's picture is different. Then comes disagreement, arguments, and fighting. We need to stop this crap because, if you notice, we aren't getting anywhere. Take a look at this page and try to find where in the list you might be. I'm telling you now, if we don't wake up soon we aren't going to wake up at all.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:42 pm

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Oh yes there is There HAS to be. This idea is akin to believing that there is no one definition to any particular word. EVERYTHING has an answer; EVERYTHING is definable. Where there is no definite answer to a question, the "searching" is not complete.

Interesting Onlychild . Words are just sounds . Sound is just a vibration . Things vibrate at different frequencies . How we interepret those vibrations is up to us .I relaxed a lot when i understood that their is no answer . Their is no question . There just is , whatever you choose to create . We may look for a specific answer , and we may get it . But what if the question was wrong !

All of a sudden , the question becomes the answer . And onward marches creation .

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:54 pm

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You both have great minds! There is no one answer to anything. Personal Experience can greatly enhance faith. I respect both of you highly for your opinions! I would feel priviledged if you would consider joining my group for discussion -

Thank you nwufochasers for your invitation . I am have never been a team player as such . I have always resisted joining anything !It is with respect that i will decline your invitation ,Hopefully we can benefit from your contributions here as i consider everything happens for a reason and i personally find your posts thought provoking .

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:32 pm

free wheel wrote:

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however, when data and common sense alone can overthrow the alleged creator of all, there is no creator

Understand what you are saying Onlychild . The only instance in which i can see this hypothesis failing is one in which the creator is you !

There is no "creator" ... there never has been. This was something invented by humans (the sun) at a specific point in history. There is no sign of it before 5500 BC. If you can prove "god" existed before this time it would have to be considered as added data, but it isn't there.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:50 pm

free wheel wrote:

Words are just sounds . Sound is just a vibration . Things vibrate at different frequencies . How we interepret those vibrations is up to us .Language has a set system of rules. Even if we aren't sure what a word means we can look it up because language - has - rules. Interpretation isn't random, it is fixed.

I relaxed a lot when i understood that their is no answer . Their is no question . There just is , whatever you choose to create . We may look for a specific answer , and we may get it . But what if the question was wrong ! All of a sudden , the question becomes the answer . And onward marches creation .

The nice soft "no answer" pillow you have created for yourself shows that you simply do not want to do the footwork ... which is fine, it's your life. You should read The Walrus and the Carpenter by Lewis Carroll. The oysters weren't smart enough to see the truth ... and they died at the hands of psychopaths.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:06 am

free wheel wrote:

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There is no "creator" ... there never has been. This was something invented by humans

What i am suggesting is that perhaps the the truth is that we are God !

Actually the word needs to be struck from language as the entire concept causes nothing but problems. It's a very late term and was never used by the ancients; which begs the question: What exactly did they mean by their individual terms? No, we aren't god as there never was a god. We are life like all life on earth; the end result of evolution and possible genetic tweaking. I say that because I find it odd that both ET and us are bipeds structurally designed the same way. In my life I have seen them twice, and the body design is the same: head on neck at the top, two arms, body, two legs. I find it strange that design would pop up on its own just evolving.

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Subject: Disclosure Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:49 pm

The truth is we do not know what, if any, information or items the government has or knows. If they did retrieve craft and possible alien bodies, what would they have learned? The government may not know much more now than when they first recovered such items. As Stanton Friedman states, it would be like giving a nuclear submarine to Christopher Columbus and telling him to find out how it works.

There is more conjecture on what is known out there on UFOs than any other subject. There are disclosure groups that for a nice fee will tell people what is known. There are many out there who claim to know the full truth on what is out there. SFC Cliff Stone (USA ret) has a good quote on the matter: "No one knows the full story of what is going on. Those who claim to know it are liars."

It may sound harsh, but there is truth to that statement. Know one can really claim to know what is really going on. If they are, it is up to them to prove it.

If the government did retrieve such craft and/or probes from Kecksburg, I would love for them to come forward with it. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part that the government really does have any extraterrestrial items. (Research by some very good investigators suggest otherwise.)

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Subject: onlychild Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:17 pm

Onlychild, you are the few here who have put in the homework to prove your claims, and I appreciate that. Much evidence has been brought up that does make me (and hopefully others) think about this large subject. Unfortunately, too many others claim to channel or be contactees and offer nothing to back up those claims. While I cannot say they are not being contacted or channeling their information, it is difficult for them to prove what they are saying.

At least you have many threads and responses here where you show your work, and I thank you for that.

We all want answers to the questions we have (especially on what the government may or may not know about extraterrestrials). To me, the journey to finding answers is the most rewarding aspect of life.

Subject: Re: Do you get tired of the government and media Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:55 pm

Very nicely put LloydB , I find Onlychilds angle fascinating as i do others .Personally , i don't care what the government knows . Makes no difference to me . I would suggest that the reason that "contactees " don't offer anything in the way of evidence of their claims is that they understand that evidence is not available . Ultimately it boils down to being the most " real " that you can be . I don't know that i am on the right path but it feels right . I rerally don't care if ET exists or if there is a greater cause , or whatever . I just want to be the best person that i can be under the circumstances .

As i have said , the journey for me is not about seeking answers . It's about being open , and able to be a part of the final destination , if there is one .

Subject: Even though both your ideas are contradictory, I AGREE! Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:15 pm

Ah such is the duality of nature, Even though both your ideas are contradictory, I AGREE with both of you!

I too have enjoyed this interchange very much. I am not going to try to prove how much work I have invested in Ancient Cultures and Civilizational Studies and the questions Theology imposes. But the one who does not believe or have faith of any kind ends up being unhappy. I really do not know why or how but I do know that if you ask you will receive an answer. That is my personal experience! So when you get tired of being angry, unhappy, plus a multitude of other emotions and you stop trying to fix or have anybody else fix the world you may realize within yourself there is quiet and solitude and within that lies the answer that you seek. You must be willing to ask and receive an answer.

2) Cutting to the chase, ET has been here knocking on our door since the so-called Battle of LA in '42. Something (undefined) is coming.

3) We are NOT (let me repeat that) NOT responsible for the details. All we have to do is be ready for any exit strategy (if that is the case) that may pop up. This is a first time ever event (whatever it is and TPTB aren't saying) and the data is so screwed up that I doubt seriously if it can be figured out, but it doesn't matter; all we need to be is mentally ready to go, if that is the picture.

Even though we are not responsible for details I run this "final picture" crap through my head continually, because if I sit here not thinking I'll melt into a bored puddle.

I believe it is highly possible TPTB are going to use 2012 and a theatrical version of the arrival of Bolon Yokte, the Mayan god of war, the underworld, and new creation to launch the "New World" Order and kill as many people as they can at that time. There is no way to prove that, but H W Longfellow's vision, which he put in his poem The Occultation of Orion, has a bunch of clues that tie to the end of the reign of violence. I did an astronomical calculation based on what he wrote, and it seems there is going to be a war (with ET?) and TPTB will lose. There is a date for this, 6 days after the 2012 date (another creation reference: the Biblical 6 days of creation). On that day, based on what Longfellow wrote, the full moon will be exactly over Orion, and 46 minutes after midnight (Longfellow's "midnight air") the sky will be exactly the same as the 911 sky, viewing again from NY, and the same as the great year sky calculated by the Maya long count as used in the 911 tragedy. This was written about 150 years before 911, as if to give a response to TPTB today. The mathematical odds of all this happening is WAY off the charts. There was a connection to a coming full moon in the work I did on the Voynich manuscript 10 years ago, and it never made sense. Oddly, it ties to Longfellow's vision scene.

BTW, the "exit strategy" happens the day before 2012.

Now again, I do this to keep from getting bored to death and the bottom line is, as said, we are not responsible for the details. If it's wrong, it doesn't matter.