Lincoln was referred to as "Father Abraham" by Northern supporters before the election of 1860 and this nickname grew with the outbreak of the Civil War. In 1862, the country's leading songwriter Stephen Foster wrote We Are Coming Father Abraham, 300,000 Strong! Stephen Spielberg's Lincoln was the first movie to use this song; it first appeared there as an instrumental by a Union military band and then it was sung. Lincoln was a master politician and he had no problem with being publically associated with "Father Abraham" of the Bible. He even used a reference to Genasis 16:16 (KJV) as a HUGE code when he famously said, "4 score and 7 years ago, our fathers..."

The Battle of Gettysburg raged for three days: July 1-3, 1863. On 7/4, Lincoln received telegrams about the great Union victory over Robert E. Lee in Pennsylvania and rebels surrendered Vicksburg after a 47-day siege by Grant! He gave a celebratory Independence Day speech at the Executive Mansion (White House), "87 years ago..."

President Lincoln was asked to speak at the National Cemetery in Gettysburg just 10 days before the Nov. 19, 1863 Dedication Ceremony. This invitation to the somber event by local lawyer David Wills was an afterthought. "Maybe just a few appropriate remarks". Lincoln knew how important this speech was and began preparing it.

He had practically memorized the Bible as a youth reading it over-and-over again and had a habit of often quoting from it without informing his audience that he was, i.e. "A house divided against itself cannot stand" - Jesus in Matthew 12:25 (12/25 is Christmas).

Sometime between November 9-18, Lincoln wrote his two and a half minute speech with its 272* words. He realized that the 87 years between 7/4/1776 and 7/4/1863 could be expressed as the Biblical, "4 score and 7 years ago". Ah! This would be a direct reference to Genasis 16:16, "Abram was 4 score and 6 years old when Hagar bore Ishmael (Is he male?)" - King James Version. "Score" is used in many places in the King James Bible with it first appearing in Gen 16:16. In Gen 17:4, GOD tells Abram, "You're it and to mark the occasion (paraphrased) your name is now Abraham for I have made you a father of many nations". Quite a numerical alignment! But we're just getting started.

Lincoln knew that not only was he making the connection with the Biblical Abraham, he was making a connection with the slave woman Hagar and a great long-awaited birth! Furthermore, the one year modification of "4 score and 7 years ago" eludes to July 4th: 7/4. He had to see his righteous destiny in that! But there's still a BIGGER code that I'm not sure Father Abraham consciously knew he was using?

The American Revolution was basically a Freemasonry rebellion! The Boston Tea Party was a bunch of Masons having a couple beers at the Green Dragon Tavern before ending the Lodge meeting early that night, donning their Indian garb, going out on the harbor and dumping the British tea in the water! The three main colonies in 1776 were Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Virginia (no offense to the 10 others) and the three main guys spearheading American Independence were Benjamin Franklin (Grand Master Mason of PA), George Washington (GMM of Va), and John Hancock (GMM of MA). As Grand Master Masons, they practiced sacred geometry & gematria: the geometry of the language.

GOD=7_4 is the BIG Masonic Code/secret! G is the 7th letter, a circle is the 15th letter or zerO, and D is 4. GOD=7_4, 7/4=July 4th or 7 April 30 AD: the original Good Friday! On 7/4/1775, George Washington declared in just his second General Orders, "The Troops of the UNITED PROVINCES of North America" and he would eventually have 74 generals in the Army (33 were Masons). John(4 letters,47=J10+O15+H8+N14) Hancock(7,40) was the only representative of Congress to sign the Declaration on 7/4 with Charles Thomson(74=T20+H8+O+M13+S19+O+N14) - Secretary of Congress attesting. There were 74 appointed representatives to the Constitutional Convention (19 never attended and none came from Rhode Island) and the Constitution's 7 Articles were written on 4 pages. New York(7 letters) City (4) at 74 degrees West Longitude became Federal(7) City(4) until one could be laid out between Mary-land and Virgin-ia. New York City Hall was renovated as Freedom(7) Hall(4). The Southern Boundary of the new one hundred(74=H8+U21+N14+D4+R18+E5+D4) square mile Capitol(7) City(4) was laid in a Masonic(74) ceremony in Alexandria on April 15, 1791: exactly 74 years later to the day, Lincoln died.

After Lincoln arrived in Gettysburg, he was escorted to the Wills home to spend the night. Supporters outside yelled and sang, "Father Abraham"! He did his last tweaks to his address that night. Did he know the GOD=7_4 Code? Lincoln was NOT a Mason, although he had many friends back in Springfield who were and knew many in Washington City. He apparently planned on becoming a Mason after he left the White House. I'd say it's 50-50 that he knew the GOD=7_4 Code. But many in the audience in Gettysburg and many who would read the speech afterward were long-time Masons and recognized thee code! Almost everyone back then knew the King James Bible and might make the Gen 16:16 connection.

But the Gen 16:16 code doesn't end there! Lincoln was the 16th president - p(16th letter)-resident - at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Huh! Again, I don't know if he made the connection, but I imagine he did realize his being the 16th president aligned with Gen 16:16. Lincoln - like Benjamin Franklin - was a genius, even though he only had one year of formal schooling.

Those who don't like Lincoln won't like this code being exposed and will attack it and 'the messenger'. Those who don't believe in GOD will dismiss it as "numerology", although it's not. But those who already recognize Father Abraham Lincoln as giving "this country a new birth of freedom" should be awed by this symbolism, synchronism, design and alignment! Lincoln was truly GOD's 'chosen one' and if there's any doubt, then consider this...

After his victory at Petersburg, Grant first sent Lee a letter asking for his surrender on 4/7. Lee surrendered on April 9 Palm Sunday and being a devout Christian, was well aware of the symbolism, "I surrendered to the good of Lincoln as much as I did to Grant". Five days later on Good Friday (the four year anniversary of the surrender of Ft. Sumter) Lincoln was shot at John Ford's Theater - a former Baptist church - by John Wilkes Booth. But the great leader didn't die on Good Friday! He was carried a-cross the street and died in the Petersen House the next day at *07:22 with his wife Mary then coming to his side. The following mourning - Easter - the entire country found out that the 'Great Emancipator' was dead and Andrew Johnson was now the 17th president for the next 4 years.

The following day, 4/17, Johnston discussed surrender terms with Sherman. April 17, 6 BC / 17.4.748 AUC was Jesus'(74=J10+E5+S19+U21+S19) real birthday. Ben Franklin died on April 17, 1790 (75 years before) and it was on April 17, 1861 that Lincoln made the decision to offer the command of the Federal(7) Army(4) to Lee (it was formally made the next day by Francis P. Blair, Sr. at Blair House across the street from the Executive Mansion) and at the same time, the Virginia Convention voted to secede (Virginians ratified the ordinance on May 23**).

John Brown was the John(4,47) the Baptist(7) of his day. His actions heralded the appearance/return of the Christ.

'Coincidences' or signs from GOD? Please answer that. There are HUGE implications here!

Peace. I made a mistake in the op that I just corrected: Green Dragon Tavern in Boston was the scene of one of the most famous Mason(47=M13+A1+S19+O+N14) Lodges(47=L12+O+D4+G7+E5+S19). The meeting that adjourned early and became the Boston Tea Party is probably the most important Masonic(74) meeting in history!

It took me many years to accumulate the data in the op. If one hasn't studied the Bible alot, hasn't studied history (American Revolution & Civil War), hasn't been initiated into the Ancient Mysteries (google that), and doesn't 'think mathematically', then it's going to 'go over their head'. But perhaps you're ready to grasp it?

Try reading it again. You might be able to imagine how many times I've thought about this in this lifetime and in my previous ones?

I've again tweaked the op and added a Robert E. Lee quote I need to confirm that I got right? I just realized that I forgot to mention that on April 17, 1861, Lincoln made the decision to offer the command of the Federal(7) Army(4) to Lee (it was formally made the next day at Blair House) and at the same time, the Virginia Legislature voted to secede.

'Coincidences' or signs from GOD? Please answer that. There are HUGE implications here!

In fact, some sources question whether or not Mr. Lincoln actually made a final decision to do more than sound out Colonel Lee on the subject. At any rate, the offer was apparently made by Mr. Blair on the 18th.

I am not inclined to try to verify all of your numbers written in your Post #1 on this thread. (I would be curious to see your list of 74 Revolutionary War generals, as sources vary). I can tell you, however, that I know a thing or two about the events of April of 1865. I can tell you, for example, that Mary Todd Lincoln was not present at Mr. Lincoln's bedside when he died. Perhaps you were confused by inaccurate prints such as the Currier and Ives: "Death of President Lincoln" found on the site below.

I can also tell you that General J.E. Johnston did not surrender his army to General W. T. Sherman on 17 April. As this Bennett Place site shows, a preliminary agreement was made by the two on 18 April (Some sources say that they first met on 17 April). The actual surrender, however, took place on 26 April.

Lincoln made his decision to offer command of the Union Army to Lee on April 17 and Colonel Lee officially was asked at Blair House the next day.

Yes, like I said, the Virginia Legislature voted to secede on April 17 (it was subject to the ratification of the voters, which was done on 23 May).

Whether you are "inclined to try to verify all of the numbers written in my Post #1 on this thread" or not, they are correct, i.e. "74 generals in the Continental Army". I think you're just saying that because you don't know how else to attack facts that you don't like!

Mary Todd Lincoln was present at Mr. Lincoln's bedside when he died. Secretary of War Edwin Stanton had 'ordered' the hysterically crying First Lady from the bedroom into the parlor of the Petersen House, but once the President was declared dead, she ran into the bedroom. Mary, Robert & Tadd Lincoln were there.

The sources I've seen state that Rebel General J.E. Johnston did surrender his army to General W. T. Sherman on April 17. I'll check out your link of Surrender Negotiations

Your trying to bend historical facts to confirm to your preconceived agenda is a huge(4) mistake(7)! Are you trying to deny that "4 score & 7 years ago our fathers" is not a direct reference to Genasis 16:16? Are you trying to deny that Lincoln was commonly known as "Father Abraham" to Northerners? Are you trying to deny that he was 'coincidentally' shot(47=S19+H8+O15+T20) on Good Friday, but didn't die that day?

Just what is your agenda? And you didn't answer; 'coincidences' or signs from GOD?

John(4 letters,47=J10+O15+H8+N14) Hancock(7,40) was the only representative of Congress to sign the Declaration on 7/4 with Charles Thomson(74=T20+H8+O+M13+S19+O+N14) - Secretary of Congress attesting.

I am: "Texas Defender" because I am always having to defend Texas from other peoples' incorrect stereotypes about the state and its citizens.

As for Texas' actions during the Civil War, the question of secession was put to a popular vote with the citizens approving by about a 3-1 margin. I wasn't here then, nor were any relatives of mine, but you apparently are expecting me to apologize for the fact that the state seceded. That isn't happening.

You say that Mr. Lincoln decided to offer command of the Union Army to Colonel Lee on 17 April 1861. I have presented documentation that questions that assertion. Feel free to present proof that he did.

Feel free to present your list of 74 Revolutionary War generals as well. I would be curious to see who is included and who is not.

Mary Todd Lincoln was not present at Mr. Lincoln's bedside when he died. I have presented documentation including a statement by Reverend Phineas D. Gurley who was present, saying that he informed Mrs. Lincoln of her husband's death in the parlor below the room in which he died. In fact, you prove my point with your posting above that says: "but once the president was declared dead, she ran into the bedroom". She wasn't in the room with Mr. Lincoln when he died (And Tad wasn't present at all).

The Bennett Place site gives the timeline for the surrender of General Johnston's army. The actual surrender was not on the 17th, but the 26th.

As for my: "Agenda," it is to see that historical facts are accurately presented, not thrown around without proof or accuracy. Unlike you, I have given sources backing up my assertions of what the historical facts were. You have apparently decided to disregard these sources. You have given NO documentation and NO sources to refute what I have said in my posting above. What you are really: "Messin' with" is history.

"On June 7 (1863), 1,500 Texans attacked a smaller force of black and white Union troops at Milliken's Bend, LA; it was the 1st important engagement in which black troops took part. "After it was over," a Union officer wrote, "many men were found dead with bayonet stabs, and others with their skulls broken open by butts of muskets." - p. 247-48, The Civil War, by Ward, Burns, (Ken) Burns(74=B2+U21+R18+N14+S19),

Google: President Lincoln decided to offer command of the Union Army to Colonel Lee on April 17, 1861. I'll look in my library. You're not questioning that Lee was offered command on April 18 at Blair House, correct?

Google: 74 generals Continental Army. "Revolutionary generals" is incorrect since that would include the British as well. I would be curious to see a list that does NOT have 74 generals.

Mary Todd Lincoln was at Mr. Lincoln's bedside right after he was pronounced dead. I'll change the wording in the op to reflect this.

Like I said, I'll follow the link re: the surrender of Johnston's army. If I need to change the wording to "surrender terms were first discussed on April 17th", I will.

You are quite WRONG about my not wanting to be historically accurate, but it was a good 'attack the messenger' ploy. I've presented some connect(74)ions in the op that was all by memory(74=M13+E5+M13+O+R18+Y25) and you have nitpicked a couple of minor wordings of facts, and have not mentioned once that I presented a shite-load of important data and Masonic(7,74) secrets* including GOD=7_4, 7/4=July 4th that you had never heard before! And you failed to acknowledge the main point(74=P16+O15+I9+N14+T20) of "4 score and 7 years ago, our fathers" referring to Genasis 16:16 (KJV). Had you ever heard that before?

*I'm not a Freemason, therefore, I've taken no oath to keep their secrets secret!

But the great leader didn't die on Good Friday! He was carried a-cross the street and died in the Petersen House the next day at *07:22 with his wife Mary then coming to his side. The following mourning - Easter - the entire country found out that the 'Great Emancipator' was dead and Andrew Johnson was now the 17th president for the next 4 years.

It would be ridiculous to try to defend all of the actions taken by CSA soldiers during the war. There are many examples of soldiers on both sides who didn't follow the accepted rules of war as they were understood then or are now.

We agree that Colonel Lee was offered command on 18 April 1861. But that was not on 17 April, or by Mr. Lincoln personally. You have not shown that Mr. Lincoln actually made the decision to make the offer, let alone that he made it on 17 April.

As for generals in the Revolutionary War- okay, we'll specify the ones we want by using the term: "Continental." Again, feel free to present your list.

We agree that your original statement about Mary Todd Lincoln being present in the room when Mr. Lincoln actually died was incorrect.

We apparently agree that General Johnston's surrender did not take place on 17 April 1865. Some sources say that he and General Sherman first met on that day, but they were still discussing terms on 18 April. Here is a different source to document that.

You now say that you are interested in presenting historical facts accurately, but you then complain that I have: "Nitpicked" your inaccuracies. Well, you aren't the first on this forum to use the word: "Minor" when referring to the facts of historical events. But facts are facts and fictions are fictions, and they should be distinguished from each other.

As for the : "Four score and seven years ago" being a connection to Genesis goes, perhaps it was. I do not know. But I've never seen any documentation of Mr. Lincoln stating that he consciously used his line to connect to it. I have never seen any documentation that anyone was ever told by Mr. Lincoln that he purposely wished to make that connection.

"On April 17 two messages arrived at Arlington for Lee. One asked him to call the next day on Francis P. Blair Sr., whom he had known in St. Louis. The other was from General Scott, asking Lee to be at his office on the same day (at the insistence of President Lincoln). Lee rode into Washington on the 18th and went to the Blair house first."

If you read it, you will see the following: "The statement of Nicolay and Hay (Lincoln's personal secretaries) that Lincoln merely asked Blair to sound out Lee may be accepted as fact." This does not support your contention that Mr. Lincoln made a final decision to offer Lee the command on 17 April.

It is suggested that Secretary of War Simon Cameron might have empowered Mr. Blair (Or led him to believe that he was empowered) to make the offer. There is this regarding Mr. Blair: "Naturally, in talking to Lee, when he found him cold to the proposal, Mr. Blair involved the greater name, that of the president, and left the impression on Lee's mind that the actual offer, which had come from Cameron, had originated with Lincoln." This also does not support your contention.

General Scott was very much interested in keeping Colonel Lee from leaving the US Army. If this source is correct, it was Colonel Lee who told General Scott what Mr. Blair had offered him. (Not General Scott making the offer to Lee). When Lee said that he could not draw his sword against Virginia, General Scott allegedly said that he feared that that was so, and that Lee was making the greatest mistake of his life.

You believing in coincidences seems to me a ridiculous answer, since There Are No Coincidences - there is synchronism, design and alignment. Generally speaking, those that believe in GOD have historically never believed in 'coincidences' and now science's chaos theory states that everything is connected, everything that occurs affects everything else. There is an appearance of randomness, but there are underlying patterns, fractals, initial(74) conditions, feedback loops, self-organization, and a 'butterfly effect'. Hence, GOD=7_4.

Regarding the offer of command given to Colonel Lee by Mr. Blair on April 18, 1861...

"The only trustworthy account of what happened at that meeting was written in 1868 by Lee himself in a letter to Reverdy Johnson*, Maryland Senator and attorney. In it Lee said, 'I never intimated to anyone that I desired the command of the United States Army; nor did I ever have a conversation with but one gentleman, Mr. Francis Preston Blair, on the subject, which was at his invitation, and as I understood, at the instance of President Lincoln. After listening to his remarks, I declined the offer he made me, to take command of the army that was to be brought into the field.; stating, as candidly and as courteously as I could that, though opposed to secession and deprecating war, I could take no part in an invasion of the Southern states.'"
- p.125-6, Robert E. Lee - The Man and the Soldier by Philip Van Doren Stern (Bonanaza Books, 1963)

Lincoln was a master politician. General Winfield Scott and others advised the President that Lee was the best candidate to command the US Army. However, everyone was well aware of his being from Virginia's most prominent family and his plantation's slaves. Arlington House atop the hill across the Potomac could be seen from many parts of Washington City, including the Executive Mansion. After Ft. Sumter surrendered on April 14 ('coincidentally', Lincoln would be shot exactly four years later), everything was moving really fast. Lincoln decided on April 17 to offer Lee command of the Federal Army, however, he knew very well, that Lee might decline because of his allegiance to Virginia and the South. So Lincoln did NOT invite Lee to the Executive Mansion (officially renamed the White House by Teddy Roosevelt) to ask him directly. No, if Lee declined, that would be front page news in both the North and South and Lincoln would have 'egg on his face'. This is why Blair was chosen to present the President's offer at his house across the street from the Executive Mansion. I imagine that Blair had been instructed by Lincoln that if the Virginian Colonel accepted, that he was then to go across the street to meet directly with Lincoln and this great occasion might even have been photographed!

Synchronism: 9/18/13 07:36 "'Likely were coincidences' but now the life insurance case is being reopened" - Good Morning America, ABC

I posted the above before I was finished because I wanted to document the 'coincidence' of my having the TV on and them saying "coincidences". Now, how do you explain that?! Coincidence?!!

I then turned on Golf Channel where Mike(4) Johnson(7) of Golf Magazine was talking equipment.

The 'Johnson' theme in the op/this thread is highly symbolic! Almost no one outside of some select Masons and a handful of Christianity scholars/'heretics' - including myself - know of the legend that John(4,47) the Baptist(7) was married to Mary Magdalen and had a son John. When the Baptist was executed, in the Hebrew tradition of the day, his widow was then married to his next-of-kin: cousin Jesus son of Joseph who also adopted John Jr. Hence, the "beloved Apostle John" who was present at the Cross, whose Gospel was quite different than the other three, his being chosen to receive The Revelation, and The Da Vinci Code of his Last Supper depicting Mary Magdalen in place of John (he looked alot like her).

Synchronism: 9/18/13 07:56 "5. Zach Johnson on ticker of Golf Channel, Dustin Johnson qualified as #30 out of 30 for the Tour(74=T20+O15+U21+R18) Championship this week at East Lake in Atlanta.

HankC wrote:"Lincoln was the 16th president - p(16th letter)-resident - at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Huh! Again, I don't know if he made the connection".

probably not, as the 1600 street address was not assigned until later in the 19th century...

HankC

Hank,

Definitely not then! Thanks for that. Do you have a source or link for "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was not assigned until later in the 19th century"? And if this is correct, do you think that Lincoln being the 16th President affected the designation?