Just Tell The Truth

Some one asked in a private e-mail about my statement, to paraphrase (cant find the thread it was on and this forum REALLY needs a search engine!):

So basically theres an automatic loss of control programed into the controllers [computer] systems. How elegant.

It is merely an observation that global manipulators, some with heart, some not, tend to sow the seeds of their own collapse. From within. Thats the elegance of their visionary (strategic) actions. Im not saying that is necessarily the people posting here.

It started with the captains of industry and continued with career politicians and was all manipulated silently by the ones who think their hot dollars will help them dominate the world. Problem is, theyve brought the WHOLE planet and all the people on it, with them into their controlled mess which is then publicly accented by their personal power plays, over, and within the mass media, including the entertainment industry. That one really annoys me!

No matter what you/they think, a very large percentage of this population is very intelligent. (We are not the Marching Morons illustrated so well in a science fiction short story). We can figure things out, most the smart ones have computers, and you ARE right ... the internet is a wild card.

Just Tell The Truth. (And muzzle the lawyers). Thats all.

Please re-read your Constitution and Bill Of Rights -- the ones written over 200 years ago -- then chuck everything written as follow-on commentary since then. Its time to put back on your raccoon hats (poor little guys) men and women, et. al., and all become the Davy Crocketts we once were (some still wont carry guns, maybe mailbags). And for that part of the population sill holding their Bibles, Koran, Torah, etc. read the good stuff and the words the key teachers spoke, act on that and let the follow-on commentary go, for now. Y2K needs everyone to be their personal best.

Also, please dont throw out the baby with the bathwater, just because a creators pants are down. This web-site will see a lot of newcomers who will need help, even though Eds other one will be launched. (Ed Yourdon put this ball in motion, and its time to play the end game, perhaps with an expanded vision.) Please do continue to operate this forum openly, just do it honestly and from your hearts, and dazzle em with your tap dancing. (Lurkers too).

Thanks, Diane (at Silicon Valley low, not high)

(P.S. Tell Hollywood to make different movies. That Siege thing is just too-o-o-o blatant).

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Are there any other comments on WHY our country et. al. should Tell The TRUTH?

Answers

They should always tell the truth. Period. We are adults not
children, and even children have the right to truth. The only thing
that should be marked 'secret' is battle plans before they are
executed.

Balanced Truth, Hardliner. For every problem identified, show the
solutions. Show people what they can do to create community, rather
than blindly hit a wall.

Do that now, and when the real problems start happening in January,
then people/media will already be calmly preparing rather than just
stunned. It also gets the media prepared to not go crazy. Just
honest, and focused on all of us doing the best we can.

If the truth were told then perhaps people would have the time to
allow the idea of disruptions to sink in. The masses could prepare,
the government could prepare (openly, I think they are already but in
silence). If the truth were told we might be able to get through this
but the truth is subjective.

I think money is talking right now and the truth rarely has a place in
matters where making or losing money is involved. There is simply too
much money to be lost in business deals, construction of new
facilities, office buildings and other developments, the stock
markets, banking and financial interests if the pessimism associated
with y2k became mainstream. Money is being made and as long as moeny
is talking and as long as there are no disruptions of any great
magnitude there IS NO y2k problem. Let's face it, right now, at this
moment there is no y2k problem just a lot of speculation and facts
that simply haven't come to fruition. The "truth" is that y2k
disruptions aren't a problem YET. That is the the "truth" the chose to
put their faith in.

I think the problems will come to fruition and they'll hit us hard
because the "truth" as we understand it was not told in time for
people to prepare.

A solution is not always about fixing something that cant be fixed in
time. If it cant be fixed then start to find the creative solutions
now (and dont forget to lift the box tops off the box either). I
resubmit the statement ... To either paraphrase or quote, I believe
it was Albert Einstein who said You do not solve a problem from the
same consciousness that created it.

And Michael, once the ones with most the money really get that they
ARE about to loose it all, perhaps theyll try a different vision.

Sorry, but, TRUTH and POWER are two completely different things.
People with real power will do ANYTHING to keep it. POWER trumps TRUTH
every time. I believe that TRUTH is the ultimate POWER, but then
again, I may be deluding myself. I have no real POWER (in the world).

Besides - Is there an objective truth? and if there is, how do YOU
KNOW that the guy who says that there will be minor inconveniences for
a week after 1/1/00 isn't telling that objective truth?

To address your question - "Are there any other comments on WHY our
country et. al. should Tell The TRUTH? "

1. Maybe the "Pollyannas" actually believe what they are saying is the
truth.

2. Maybe the "people with REAL power" know something that you and I
don't know.

3. Maybe the "people with REAL power" have a reason to cause TEOTWAWKI
to further some agenda that we can only guess at.

4. Maybe the "people with REAL power" are mainly incompetent, and ARE
"sowing the seeds of their own destruction." If that's the case,
"Cool," I say. Hopefully we'll get to a better place without the
rascals.

"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32

In re: "That Siege thing is just too-o-o-o blatant" Too true. Many of Hollywood's recent offerings (Armageddon, Deep Impact) chill me as they appear to be "setting the scene" for a nasty dose of reality. It would be one thing if people watched and as a result took some action, but I think the emotional response is that "everything" turns out well in the end, so why worry?

A word about conspiracies: Someone suggests "Conspiracy" and the overwhelming kneejerk response is "You're paranoid!" It is such a tag-team set that I rejected it long ago. Such a suggestion *should* be considered seriously and investigated like any other proposal. Conspirators do not necessarily sit around a table in some smoke-filled back room plotting something. Men with a common world-view need not speak with each other in order to work as a group toward a goal designed to benefit themselves, especially if they are in positions of power already. These are *implicit* conspiracies.

It is quite possible that the unusual, low key response to Y2K from our lusterless leadership here in the US, in contrast to say Canada or UK, is a hint that there is more interest in leveraging widespread problems and panic for political gain than in heading off the crisis in advance.

I always appreciate your insight. You and I share more than just our
optimism.

I think that many of those with "power" already get it. They're
casually and quietly working on selling stocks, etc. They're already
deep into their own personal contingencies.

Just this week I had to really question exactly why ol' Newt would bug
out of the Speakership and the Congress. After all, there really
wasn't some overwhelming move to put pressure on him and he'd seen
worse spots with his own ethics violations. I certainly expect him to
know much more about unseen, future events than I do.

Do I expect to hear the "truth" from any of them? At one time, yes.
But that was a few months ago and since then I have seen the opposite
take place. In just a few months time I have seen, without any logical
explanation, a move toward downplaying the effects of y2k. I have to
wonder "why?".

Money.

They don't want a run on banks, a flight to liquidity, a collapse of
mutual funds, and on and on and on. It's all about money and the
economy. They need to preserve the illusion and the truth is not part
of the plan.

I am an optimist and I fully expect to begin to see them start eating
their young very soon as their panic deepens and that is when the
truth will become clear to the rest of us. However, it will take their
panic, the collapse and the aftermath for the rest of us to see the
truth come to light. Until then, there are just too many benefits for
them to keep the truth quiet, the waters calm and the storm off the
shore.
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Just happened to watch the Oprah show today, guest starring Brad Pitt.
Now theres a real human, being. At the end of the program Oprah made
an appeal to help the people, the survivors of Hurricane Mitch. She
illustrated the problem, then offered a solution. She told viewers
what they could individually do to help these people -- not numbers,
not statistics -- others, the still living, just like us and our
families. A solution was to send donations to the American Red Cross
International Relief fund.

This responsible media presentation/appeal is exactly the kind that
can be developed for Y2K. Pull together a show illuminating the Y2K
concerns, what we do know, what we dont know, and what we need to
know about the possible local, state-wide, national and international
repercussions of Y2K. Show what is being done, offer additional
solutions to that which may not be fixed in time, and encourage
communities at all levels to search for creative solutions to our
common problems. Then show people what they can do at an individual
level to calmly prepare, and where to go for additional information.

Remembering Your Spirit is exactly what we all need to do to prepare
for Y2K.

Diane

(P.S. Michael, hopefully they will remember that lightening can strike
at any moment. Change is the only certainty. Ive found its usually
unexpected).

Michael, You are right on. "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." If you search deeply into almost any corrupt situation whether it be political, business, entertainment, medicine, sports, etc., the bottom line is the LOVE of money.
Diane, I'd like to challenge you to write Oprah about Y2K and, in turn, challenge her to do just as you suggested could be done after seeing her appeal for help re Mitch. Individual preparedness is vital; community preparedness is just as vital! Go for it!

"Men occasionally stumble over truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
Winston Churchill)

Otto Neugebauer told the writer the following legend about Einstein. It seems that when Einstein was a young boy he was a late talker and naturally his parents were worried. Finally, one day at supper, he broke into speech with the words, Die Suppe ist zu heiss.
[The soup is too hot.] His parents were greatly relieved, but asked him why he hadn't spoken up before. The answer came back, Bisher war Alles in Ordnung. [Till now everything was in order.]

I see a parallel here.

This one is not really germane, but it's beautiful just the same:

"The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change."
Fortran Manual for Xerox Computers

honestly don't think that they'll do y2k alert episode of the Orca
Winfrey show, but if y'all wanna try make that happen,then knock
yerselves out. As for the truth, it's rarely our business. Powers-
that-be keep it from us routinely, they aren't gonna change tune just
because y2k potentially impacts our personal well-being. I detect
lotsa spin and perception management being deployed allready. I don't
necessarily think that "they" have extensive plans for what to do re.
y2k, they are after all (semi-)humans and as such have endless
capacity for self-delusion and for ignoring that which they wish
weren't true. For fnord's sake, we've all managed to pretty much
ignore that our
capitalist/consumerist/militaristic/technologic/me-first way of life
is destined to make our planet unliveable in only decades. Our
ostrich-impersonation abilities clearly know no limits.

Check out these two books by David Icke - you may or may not agree
with his spiritual views but his take on the Banking system is
absolutely spot-on. It puts what is happening now in complete
perspective vis-a-vis the stock market, banking and Y2K. Highly
recommended.
Robot's Rebellion
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1858600227/r/002-1046380-
8743039

And The Truth Shall Set You Free
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0952614715/artbell00/002-
1046380-8743039