Get the Pro150FD now....let's see why.
#1 you have approval, so do it!
#2 a 70" is still a rumor
#3 you don't know the price of the 70" (IF it does come true) it could easily be double the msrp of the current Pro150FD.
#4 see #1, you have approval and will not get killed.
#5 as good as the pics look, I bet Cybertec will tell you it looks even better in person. consider that they are taken and then downloaded into the computer, uploaded to a host, posted on the avs forums and then your viewing them on what display?? and they still look Great!
#6 You can get a great deal on it now from an authorized Pioneer Elite dealer who is also an Avs forum sponsor.
#7 Why are you waiting??????? You could be staring at those pics in person on your own Pro150FD very soon instead of waiting a year or more!
#8, oh yeah see #1.

wpwj40e, this gentleman, known here as dssturbo1, displays great wisdom. Get the Pro 150 NOW!

Get the Pro150FD now....let's see why.
#1 you have approval, so do it!
#2 a 70" is still a rumor
#3 you don't know the price of the 70" (IF it does come true) it could easily be double the msrp of the current Pro150FD.
#4 see #1, you have approval and will not get killed.
#5 as good as the pics look, I bet Cybertec will tell you it looks even better in person. consider that they are taken and then downloaded into the computer, uploaded to a host, posted on the avs forums and then your viewing them on what display?? and they still look Great!
#6 You can get a great deal on it now from an authorized Pioneer Elite dealer who is also an Avs forum sponsor.
#7 Why are you waiting??????? You could be staring at those pics in person on your own Pro150FD very soon instead of waiting a year or more!
#8, oh yeah see #1.

Shame on you cybertec those pictures cost me 9000.00CAD(Pro-150FD, with shipping, ISF calibration, & Sennheiser hd555 headphones)!
I'm a happy camper!!
Cybertec do you recommend a break-in DVD or just leave PBS HD-channel on (PBS has no logo), also should I wait after the 100-200 hours of break-in before ISF calibration or A.S.A.P?
Thanks cybertec those pictures gave me the final push to buy.....groceries can wait-LOL.
cheers Tim.

Shame on you cybertec those pictures cost me 9000.00CAD(Pro-150FD, with shipping, ISF calibration, & Sennheiser hd555 headphones)!
I'm a happy camper!!
Cybertec do you recommend a break-in DVD or just leave PBS HD-channel on (PBS has no logo), also should I wait after the 100-200 hours of break-in before ISF calibration or A.S.A.P?
Thanks cybertec those pictures gave me the final push to buy.....groceries can wait-LOL.
cheers Tim.

I use D-Nice's STB settings for the PRO-110FD-50" and PRO-150FD-60", will break it in for 200-300 hours, still doing the break in process, I usually play full screen HD content, a logo here or there is no problem, I even watch ESPN with all those scores tickers, just make sure you don't leave static images on the screen for extended periods of time, like a game in pause mode, otherwise you will be good to go. I have Dish Network so when the PDP is running, I have it on Food Network HD, or Ultra HD, which show many different colors, especially Ultra HD which shows lots of fashion shows with fantastic looking models on runways . I also watch my occasional movie.

More pics to come soon, I am a bit under the weather, so excuse my absence.

I bought my Pioneer 5080HD from Invision Displays this summer (July '07) and have enjoyed it for many months now. I just got around to taking some pictures of it for family/friends, and I thought I'd share here. I think the pictures came out pretty well, but of course they can't do the television justice, you'd have to see it in person to fully appreciate it! Knowing that many of you ARE enjoying your TVs in person right now, I still hope you enjoy the photos. All movie photos are standard-definition DVD that has been upscaled to 1080i by my *low-end* DVD player.

I use the Pio 5080 with a Toshiba SD-4890SU standard def. DVD player. It has up to 1080i upscaling capability, which I make use of through the HDMI connection. It's hooked to a JVC RX-8000V 5.1 DTS receiver, running Klipsch KG 5.5s for main front speakers and KG 2.5s for rear surrounds (giving me 4.0 at this point! I'm still searching for the center and sub...). I also use my XBox 360 on the TV. In-fact the XBox is the only high-def source I have!

I took these photos with our Canon PowerShot SD400. It's just a point & shoot digi-cam, with no fancy lenses or anything. I used manual settings to adjust the exposure, I needed to bump up the time a bit to capture things in our dimly lit family room. Note: most of the movie scenes are on pause, I tried to capture the best still-frames I could, some things might be a little fuzzy still. The TV shots show motion, which is why they're blurry somewhat, but you get the point. We have about 12 channels of over-the-air HD television, it looks great in-person. Some shots will be linked and some will be shown in-thread, just click the link for the others (since I'm limited to 10 photos on AVS!).

Enjoy!

Pic 1: Scene from the Matrix: Revolutions, you can see most of my setup: TV, Rcvr, DVD player, XBox 360, and Klipsch KG 5.5 main speakers

Pic 3: Nairobi pilots the hovercraft as it powers down some pads in Matrix: Revolutions. Notice the shadow details, which are even muted in this photo, my camera only captures so much! The black levels are superb on this TV. You can barely notice where the bezel stops and the film begins!

Pic 9: This is the cave/opening below the tall pit into which Gandalf and Balrog fell. The darkness really brings out the TVs capabilities. The next picture shows where the light/fire begin to illuminate the cavehttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../Pio508009.jpg

Pic 17: Compare to last 3 photos: Correct proportions, no side bars, and minimal top/bottom black bars in "zoom" mode, my favorite for DVDs. You barely lose any film information on the sides from this mode [compare]

Pic 21: The Brutes took me out, this is a quick shot before it restarts my last checkpoint. I love the look of the "bubble shield" top left area of the screen. The Brutes are "smart" and use all sorts of the equipment to their advantage

Pic 22: Just overlooking the sky, the Banshees (flying objects) look blurry because they were moving and the camera exposure was pretty long. The rest of the shot looks very nice though. Lots of detail in this game, and the TV shows it well

Pic 23: More Warthog driving, nice details shown in the tunnel. The bright opening even looks washed out (purposely), as if you yourself were in the cave and about to burst through the opening (your eyes would then adjust the size of your pupil if it were real life, man, they thought of everything in this game!!!http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../Pio508023.jpg

Pic 26: I'm not a huge football fan, but everyone wants to see HD football on their set, so this was on TV

Pic 27: The people were moving (caused the blur) but this is High-def football. The ticker at the bottom is pretty sharp and even though it's not totally clear, you can see a lot of detail on the coach's face/hair. HD TV looks really good, they still have some issues with compression of data, etc. that cause a less than totally stellar picturehttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../Pio508029.jpg

theres definitely more colors on the 5084 @ all 4 default modes: game/movie/standard/dynamic

will get 300 on bluray for better comparison

hope next week ill get planet earth on bluray from blockbuster.. if not ill buy it

the Sammy 5084-5884 is a fine 1080p PDP, but the new Pioneer Kuro's are in a different league, especially the Elites, being colorful and displaying correct colors and skin tones are two different animals, many PDP's display colorful colors, but displaying them correctly is another story. Now would I purchase a Sammy 5084-5884, I sure would, as it is a fine PDP, but I went for the best in class, since this is a long term purchase for me. Every professional reviewer has stated that the new Kuro's are in another class by themselves, until other manufacturers come close, it will stay this way, this is not because I own one, it's because it is what it is.

lets make this clear.. 1st what i mean by more colors = 18-bit color processing 2nd i dont dis/put down the kuro (check 1st page of thread) 3rd i certainly dont praise the 5084 - the only thing that balances out the negatives is the price

well, thanx to your responses i went out this morning and gotten planet earth bluray and compared all cybertecs planet earth bluray pix to my 5084

lets just say that if pio or sam or other manufacturer would bring out minimum 18-bit how bout 24-bit processing? little bit closer to r e a l and minimum of the kuros blacks how bout even badder blacks? and some better contrast for once.. in a single package.. gets my $.. 10G$ no problem

lets make this clear.. 1st what i mean by more colors = 18-bit color processing 2nd i dont dis/put down the kuro (check 1st page of thread) 3rd i certainly dont praise the 5084 - the only thing that balances out the negatives is the price

well, thanx to your responses i went out this morning and gotten planet earth bluray and compared all cybertecs planet earth bluray pix to my 5084

lets just say that if pio or sam or other manufacturer would bring out minimum 18-bit how bout 24-bit processing? little bit closer to r e a l and minimum of the kuros blacks how bout even badder blacks? and some better contrast for once.. in a single package.. gets my $.. 10G$ no problem

fair enough?

it's quite understandable trying to defend your purchase, no one has said you have a bad PDP, matter of fact you have a fine PDP, just not in the Pioneer Kuro class, that's all, and by saying that the Sammy has better black levels makes you look not to smart, as in every review and owners who own these new Kuro PDP's have said that the black levels are in another league. Plus in regards about the bit rate and black levels, it has nothing to do with it, the Pio's have a new CELL STRUCTURE, that's what gives them the better blacks, nothing to to with bits and bites.