There has been a problem with [[Jehovah's Witness (Way of the Master)]]. When I viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80lC6dIiZo the video] it didn’t start with the scene in Time Square that you described and we must be extra careful about accuracy on Atheist websites. People often/usually believe Christians unless a lie is proved and even if a lie is proved people may still excuse it because [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Liars_for_Jesus Lying for Jesus] is imagined to be lying for a good cause. By contrast there is prejudice against atheists and if we’re caught out writing anything inaccurate, even if it’s unintentionally inaccurate we can easily get labelled deceitful immoral atheists. We need to be scrupulously accurate so people learn that they can trust what we write even though they can’t always trust the Christians. I don’t know what went wrong, perhaps Ray Comfort changed the video since you viewed it, just please do what you can to prevent such problems in future. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 05:32, 9 November 2011 (CST)

There has been a problem with [[Jehovah's Witness (Way of the Master)]]. When I viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80lC6dIiZo the video] it didn’t start with the scene in Time Square that you described and we must be extra careful about accuracy on Atheist websites. People often/usually believe Christians unless a lie is proved and even if a lie is proved people may still excuse it because [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Liars_for_Jesus Lying for Jesus] is imagined to be lying for a good cause. By contrast there is prejudice against atheists and if we’re caught out writing anything inaccurate, even if it’s unintentionally inaccurate we can easily get labelled deceitful immoral atheists. We need to be scrupulously accurate so people learn that they can trust what we write even though they can’t always trust the Christians. I don’t know what went wrong, perhaps Ray Comfort changed the video since you viewed it, just please do what you can to prevent such problems in future. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 05:32, 9 November 2011 (CST)

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:I fixed it. The scene with the Time Squares can be seen on truegod.tv (seen [http://www.truegod.tv/v/1b3d here]). I made a special note that the YouTube episode does not have the Time Square part included. I know that theists will jump at the chance to point out every small bit when and where we are incorrect. [[User:Feredir28|Wolf]] 12:52, 9 November 2011 (CST)

Thank you mate. Sorry about wording my question like that, but you did what I asked. I wanted my article to be linked from the template. I have several more rebuttals to Way of the Master episodes coming later. Thanks. Have a good one. --Wolf 11:45, 16 January 2011 (CST)Feredir28

RationalWiki

Thank you very much for that. I do not fully get the game, it seems to me like a tag game. Whatever it is, I appreciate it but I think I will stick to what I do best. Also, a quick question, maybe you can help. Over the years, I have heard from many Christians that their religion is responsible for creating many things (reason, science, democracy, morality, ect.) and I am sure we have heard some form of it once. For this, I recently created the article Christianity invented science and explained why it is wrong. I chose this one because it is growing in the conservative academia and Christian apologetic literature. However, there is just one more topic I want to address, the delusion that Christianity invented secularism. I would not bother with this unless it was no growing as well, but I see it very frequently. Anyway, I know we already have a article on separation of church and state, but I wanted to know if I should create an entirely new article refuting the stance that secularism is a Christian idea and separation of church and state was invented to keep government out of religion and not the other way around. What should I do? Wolf 13:01, 15 September 2011 (CDT)

If you feel you can write well on any topic please do. Proxima Centauri 11:47, 28 September 2011 (CDT)

Ray Comfort again

Google puts our article on Ray Comfort on its first page, can you help improve it still further? Proxima Centauri 11:48, 28 September 2011 (CDT)

Really!? That's exciting! You can count on me to improve it. Oh, this is going to be fun. I just have to work on two of the programs, but don't worry, I will get around to it quickly. Wolf 12:07, 28 September 2011 (CDT)

Christian morality

I've had it up to here with Christians calling us immoral. Proxima Centauri 12:47, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

You and me both. Im sick of the excuse, if there is no God, everything is allowed. Even my own mother totally accepts this. I plan to extend secular morality real soon, and a bit more on christian morality. Wolf 15:26, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

I'm also thinking of starting an article or something addressing the problems of Christian absolute morality. What do you think? Wolf 15:39, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

Clean up

I rolled back some changes and I don't have time to monitor and fix everything. I've been getting complaints about some regulars adding sloppy speculation and changing the site from informative to a personal, sloppy, speculative bitch-slapping of apologists. Dig through your changes....and wherever you've added unfounded accusations, speculations or snide comments - remove them. I'm going to check back after the wedding and if there aren't improvements, I'll be locking the site down, upgrading it and changing policies and permissions. This isn't a place to talk shit about apologists or post things that might cause unnecessary problems. You CANNOT simply toss around accusations about financial motivations - that leads to legal problems, and I'd prefer if people didn't post sloppy arguments. Sans Deity 01:21, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

I waited a few hours before responding so as not to write anything hasty. The most important, I feel is that we don't let the Christians divide us. Snide comments are often acceptable in RationalWiki provided they can be proved in a court of law. If the site owners don't want that sort of stuff here it's best removed or transfered elsewhere. Proxima Centauri 04:37, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

A Black swan event has something in common with this. We were editing here, the position of the work we were doing was rising steadily in Google so we both thought we were improving the wiki. Then suddenly we opened our computers and found we were in trouble. I can’t at the moment think of a better or more robust way of dealing with this black swan than what I’ve already suggested, move the snide stuff elsewhere and explain that we didn’t mean any harm.

For the future please let us know sooner if we are editing in ways the regulars don’t like so we don’t waste a fortnight’s work. Proxima Centauri 09:03, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

I haven't read, Iron Chariots Wiki:Editing guidelines, as I said I've been unwell recently but both of us should read it carefully before we edit again. You can write snark and offensive stuff at RationalWiki or Atheism Wiki, just don’t break any libel laws. You can write long articles there as well. Proxima Centauri 13:50, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

My apologies for all this. Nobody here meant any harm, and we will see to it that we fix the material. I will get on it right away. Wolf 14:51, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

Update: I revised several programs and articles, but I must pause here. I just received notice that my great-grandmother just passed, and I must take off. Again, I'm sorry for all this, and I promise to get back to work when I can. Wolf 14:51, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

There has been a problem with Jehovah's Witness (Way of the Master). When I viewed the video it didn’t start with the scene in Time Square that you described and we must be extra careful about accuracy on Atheist websites. People often/usually believe Christians unless a lie is proved and even if a lie is proved people may still excuse it because Lying for Jesus is imagined to be lying for a good cause. By contrast there is prejudice against atheists and if we’re caught out writing anything inaccurate, even if it’s unintentionally inaccurate we can easily get labelled deceitful immoral atheists. We need to be scrupulously accurate so people learn that they can trust what we write even though they can’t always trust the Christians. I don’t know what went wrong, perhaps Ray Comfort changed the video since you viewed it, just please do what you can to prevent such problems in future. Proxima Centauri 05:32, 9 November 2011 (CST)

I fixed it. The scene with the Time Squares can be seen on truegod.tv (seen here). I made a special note that the YouTube episode does not have the Time Square part included. I know that theists will jump at the chance to point out every small bit when and where we are incorrect. Wolf 12:52, 9 November 2011 (CST)