The movie was a commentary on the shittiness of Japanese youth at the time in the bubble economy, with fireflies being the central metaphor. The temporary nature of fireflies as creatures is the temporary prosperence of the japanese economy (shown when comparisons are drawn between citylights and fireflies). And how one must value their privelidges while acknowledging their temporary nature, and how shit went down in times besides your own so shut the fuck up and respect your elders.

>>100949246
This is a movie based off the authors experiences from what I recall

Kinds in real life are hot-headed and foolish, you'd think you would make the right decision in that situation when you were ten years old, but that's only hindsight speaking. People in real life are foolish, prideful, and that's why shit like this tends to be more true in a way. As I recall the only scene really made up was the part where he died at the end, as that's only something he kind of wished would happen after what he had done.

>>100949198>Some critics have viewed Grave of the Fireflies as an anti-war film due to the graphic and emotional depiction of the pernicious repercussions of war on a society, and the individuals therein. The film focuses its attention almost entirely on the personal tragedies that war gives rise to, rather than seeking to glamorize it as a heroic struggle between competing ideologies. It emphasizes that war is society's failure to perform its most important duty to protect its own people.[8]

>However, director Takahata repeatedly denied that the film was an anti-war anime. In his own words, "[The film] is not at all an anti-war anime and contains absolutely no such message." Instead, Takahata had intended to convey an image of the brother and sister living a failed life due to isolation from society and invoke sympathy particularly in people in their teens and twenties, whom he felt needed to straighten up and respect their elders for the pain and suffering they had experienced during arguably the darkest point in Japan's history

they weren't even alive at the time. also the whole first half of 1900 was basically crazy people fucked up in the head doing fucked up stuff, it's so silly to still hate on japs, germans or italians I'm from one of the axis countries though

>Anti-War Message>Propaganda bullshit
I wonder if the people realize that the book was basically a self-loathing 'I wish this actually happened' biography of the author? he was an overly prideful shit and caused the death of his sister.

I dont know if you guys knew this but this was on wikipedia. Grave of the fireflies and Totoro were showed as a double feature when the movies first came out and parents took their kids to see two heartwarming childrens movies but they got something completely different after watching Totoro.

>>100950607
Doesn't mean he goofed, rather all art becomes something else the second the creator releases it.

That's just a natural part of the process. No matter what you say you can't help how other people might view your works, so you can just hope they'll see it for something while drawing their own conclusions, and maybe if you're lucky someone will see it similar to the original intent as well.

>>100950159
Americans exterminated a whole ethnicity, Britbongs brought China to its lowest point by forcing them to buy fuckton of opium from India, where it was produced en masse and this destroyed Indian economy and agricolture.
French sent a fuckton of Americans to die on their frontlines during WWI because they couldn't repel the Germans, and even then they were losing the war. German leaders let their country starve during WWI because of the British blockade. They thought they would win the war but on their country people were dying because they sent all farmers to war. Also Hitler and the holocaust. Stalin starved millions of russians to industrialize the country, killing as many people as Nazi Germany did. Japan attacked on Manchuria, had chinese labor camps where they used chinese civilians as guinea pigs. Dutch people massacred niggers in south africa. Everyone did shit, all the assblasted 'muricans still clinging on Pearl Harbor are idiots, they did even worse shit in Vietnam and it wasn't their fucking business.

>>100950726
Yeah the problem is that nobody ever sees the intended message for what it is, "it cant be that shallow, its art!" Thus overanalyzing commences.

>>100950778>which coincidentally also sums up the entire evangelion franchise
Yeah nah, NGEs message is pretty simple, its "I feel like shit and let me tell you why." The biblical shit was just a sci-fi naming theme, anyone who got his share of literature/movies smelled it right away.

>>100950847
It was our fault to send undertrained soldiers that didn't even know how to fight in a trench, but the French strategy was "send as many people as we can to the frontlines and slow down the Germans while they starve, hopefully they'll surrender". France was losing the war, even when it ended they had the Germans several miles up their ass.

>>100951124>>100951132
The Americunts never had been cummed inside by the big bad Gallipoli. Speaking of that kind of pleasure, Canada was sent to lol Ypres and had 6000/17000 causalities in 48 hours. 2/3 of those were fatalities.

>>100951451
Whenever the argument over America's contribution in either of the world wars in Europe comes up, I, an American will be the first to admit that the actual military contribution was for the most part negligible. However, the material contributions of the Americans saved the shit out the Allies in both world wars

>>100952719
without our resources the French, Britbongs and Shitalians would have lost WWI so this, 1000 times this
the only reason germans didn't kick their ass is that we supported those snail-eater faggots

>>100952719>>100952941>hurr durr we saved your asses
Sure. It was totally not because if the Germans had succeeded in conquering Europe and consolidated their power you'd be speak German by now, along with 1/3 of the world.

Nobody is selfless, your leaders were just wise enough to know what would eventually happen otherwise.

>>100954632>implying anyone said that the US was selfless.
the fact remains, without US supplies, France would've broken in 1917, England would broken in 1940 and it probably would've taken Russia a long fucking time to get across Poland in 1944.

>>100949101
I just watched it too, and it was great. I haven't cried this much in years. I didn't think there was any propaganda, just a guy trying to protect his sister.

Although I have to say, other anime MCs need to learn from this guy:

>mother dies, shrugs it off and acts like a man for his sister>becomes NEET>strips his sister faster than the fag from Oreimo>Aunt's a bitch so becomes a rebel and lives in the woods>Isn't afraid of robbery

>>100956771>>100956697
I love America as much as the next guy, but is everyone baiting today? It wasn't about the war fools. It's a tragedy based on a kid who protects his sister from outside circumstances.

>>100956923>On the 26 March 1944, during a cruise into the Indian Ocean, I-8 torpedoed the 5,787-ton Dutch freighter SS Tjisalak. The submarine surfaced amid the debris field and after a brief exchange of gunfire with the ship's defensive armament, collected the survivors on the submarine's deck. Shortly after the freighter had sunk, the merchantman's crew and passengers, totalling 97, were tied together and forced to run a gantlet of Japanese sailors, during which they were slashed with samurai swords and beaten with monkey wrenches and sledgehammers before being shot, then kicked into the water. Six men managed to survive and found a life raft. They were later rescued by the Liberty ship SS James O. Wilder.

M-m-muh kid is starving ;_;
Fuck you weebs. Yellow people ain't even human.

>>100956858
The nips supported the wars.
Their emperor was broadcasting telling their citizens to commit sudoku rather than surrender.
The bomb was just collateral damage. They have no intention to surrender until it happened.
You might said that they were innocent but by just being nips they were guilty.

I actually wish we never helped France during WWI. Without our support they would have never won the war since Germany was pretty close to Paris and to victory when they had to sign the armistice because they didn't had food. Without the US they would have lost before the starvation became critical. Brits would have retreated from war (because let's be honest, Brits are fucking garbage. they were actually siding with Hitler before WWII started, they just turned their back to them because Nazis decided to share Poland with Russians and Brits got buttmad that they wouldn't get a slice of the pie. many british people hated jews and wanted them to be exterminated too, because they thought it was an inferior race. they even started the whole eugenic stuff along with the french), US was in neutral-good terms with Germans. Also Russians had very close relationships with Germans because the Kaiser and the Tsar were cousins or something. They didn't even want to fight each other during WWI. Communism would have been stopped probably if Germany would have helped them to deal with the revolution.

europe would have been eventually conquered by Germany and Austro-hungarian empire. Nazism would have never happened (without losing WWI and the conditions of the treaty of Paris Hitler would have never had the reasons to even start it, and he wouldn't have been butthurt. he would have remained a painter).

tl;dr if we didn't help those fucking French faggots now Europe and the world would probably be better places, even if we all spoke english and german. And the economy wouldn't be shit. Also Japan would probably be part of USA.

>>100957087>German atrocities were much worse, but nowadays most people don't really harbor any hatred towards them.Oy vey the goyim keep forgetting rememeber the holocaust
But seriously japs got it better than us nazis

>>100957087
The Germans are actually sincere in their apologizes, although they bend over too much to immigrant these days.

The Japs are cunts with their half-assed apologizes I mean shit nigga you don't apologize and then worship the dudes committing the warcrimes and making comment that the prostitution are needed or shit.

>>100957144
It's all for show anyway. The fact is that it happened so long ago that it really shouldn't matter outside of making sure it's never repeated. Also it's not the people's fault that they have an archaic and overly conservative government.

>>100957087
German owned up to their atrocities.
The nips premier leader was making statement how the war didnt happen blah blah and they were not invading but freeing the countries from western influence and such.
Not to mention they also like to glorify their WW2 past in fiction putting them in a positive light. The wind rises song is actually about commiting sudoku.

Empire of the Rising Sun will rise again. We will get our anime about cute little girls killing pig disgusting chinese and koreans and occupying their lands. After that comes the invasion of america. They don't stand a chance against the full force of banzai kamikaze.

>>100957242
Germans changed. Americans changed. Nips changed. Russians didn't change at all. Italians didn't give a fuck and still don't. These discussions are pointless, and every country tries to hide the atrocities they committed, or at least not be associated with them anymore. We don't talk about how we destroyed the natives, the russians actually defend Stalin even if he killed millions of them, the nips became peaceful and uguu. who cares, it was 70 years ago

>>100957657
my ancestors just had to deal with fucking russians and we won, also no one knows we were in war and most people don't even know where my country is so I'm ok, just looking at this penis contest

>>100957144>The Germans are actually sincere in their apologizes
I'd like to see the Germans not apologize when they were in the hands of both the US and the Soviets.
Japan's problem on the subject today lies in the fact that their politicians are retarded (like practically all politicians) but on top of that are also cowards who cannot bear to find any fault with their heritage.
On the other hand, this hard set stance on the subject is aggravated by China going fullretard on the issue and fabricating more propaganda than the japanese are accused of doing. The Japanese feel like they'll have given in to China's attitude if they become softer on the issue, and the collective memory is still confused and pained about all that happened in the war, so they don't want that.

>>100957922
You know as a fellow SEA monkeys the thing that annoy me with WWII and Japs fuckery is that people can't fucking separate love of Japs made entertainment vs the shit that Japs do on WWII.

I mean fuck you could love Anime and Japs people and hate Japs government and their imperial past you know? But nooo most people in real life and on /a/ take fucking personal offense when glorious japan is insulted, fucking weebs.

>>100958270
yeah? chinese people hate japs too. my mother and father didn't want me to go to japan because they think they are filthy and still dangerous
my grandmother don't even know I went there or she would have disowned me

>>100958270
I can't speak for the public opinion, but Korea and Japan as nations are not on very friendly terms with each other.
I've met some Koreans who told me that they don't hate the Japs of today but hate their history.
Even though Germany also committed huge atrocities during the war, they at least owned up for their crimes and the key leaders at least were punished in the Nuremburg trials. I suspect that the emnity towards Japan is because they never acknowledged or made any attempt to make amends for their behavior. They want to put their past behind them, but in a way that involves just pretending it was all good rather than by atoning.

>>100958520
this, also many koreans hate japs because of some vocal minorities in japan that are very hateful toward us. you know that japanese nationalist group that became famous in the west for that "white piggu go home"? they actually don't give a fuck about whites or even blacks since japan is getting a big fill of caucasian and black immigrates, especially in these last years, but they are still intolerant against koreans and chinese. that group is actually a vocal minority that hates koreans with passion and was founded for this reason.

>>100959170
because the russians actually wanted the war to end, and the only reason they were in war was because of the Nazis that declared first. Lenin's Russia and Stalin's Russia were anti-war. The abolition of any kind of war was in their communist constitution, believe it or not, they wished for a world where war wasn't needed. That's why they tried so hard to stay neutral with the Nazis, until Hitler declared war. And they also only won the first assault because Hitler pulled a Napoleon and invaded during winter, and Russians were lucky that it was a particularly harsh winter that year. They then re-organized while the Nazis were busy fighting against the allied forces and didn't put any pressure on them, and attacked back to finish the war as soon as possible. If it wasn't for that winter and if Rommel would have been at the lead of the attack then Russia would have fallen.

>>100959170
The US and USSR were not arch enemies at the time of WW2. American industrialists and all were completely opposed to the USSR and were instrumental in Nazi Germany leaping ahead thanks to their economic aid, but the official policy was not the one in the post-war world.