In the past week i've been called Post Modernist SJW half a dozen times on FB

i feel proud!

FoolofaTook

10-04-2017, 08:46 PM

Post Modernists? What are those, emasculated nihilists?

JUST KIDDING

duovamp

10-04-2017, 09:11 PM

I don't think the LGBTQ community wants me. :(

FoolofaTook

10-04-2017, 09:20 PM

They want me, believe me they do!

WHALLAH

MyOneAndOnly

10-04-2017, 09:43 PM

I don't think the LGBTQ community wants me. :(

we want you! why you think that?

Shallowed

10-04-2017, 09:51 PM

The very first time I had heard of the term SJW was when someone was pejoratively calling me one. She herself later became an SJW.

Disco King

10-04-2017, 10:20 PM

I will post in this thread later. Too busy making children gay by forcing them all to use the same toilet at the same time and filling their heads with pronouns, and also getting free money from hard-working taxpayers to fund my legalized drug habit, praying to Satan, and planting fake fossils to make it look like your mom was a monkey.

killtrocity

10-04-2017, 10:37 PM

Identity politics is great and all until you need to like eat food or catch a bus or get a job and then your subjectively constructed worldview comes crashing down because culture is founded on economic, material, access-to-resources objectivity and your brain stops working because glycolysis isn't happening anymore and then the covalent bonds comprising your molecules break apart as your meat dries out in the sun and entropy wins out because the second law of thermodynamics doesn't care how you identify in your particular culture. If only there were ample jobs and education and transporation and affordable housing and a living wage in your particular region, then maybe you'd have the freedom to give a shit about some temporary construct of the intersubjective intellect

duovamp

10-04-2017, 10:37 PM

we want you! why you think that?

I haven't paid my dues.

killtrocity

10-04-2017, 10:44 PM

on a scale of 1 to 10 how underage are you avatars? The older I get the more uncomfortable they make me. But hey culture is relative right? THIS IS THE PLACE FOR FREEDOM FROM THE MALE WHITE CORPORATE OVER-SHIT-LORDS

Shallowed

10-04-2017, 11:15 PM

What are your thoughts on banging 18 year olds?

teh b0lly!!1

10-04-2017, 11:57 PM

a lot of really old dudes seem to do it

fuzzyroes

10-04-2017, 11:59 PM

Scott, this is some really nice activist work you're doing here. You should feel proud of yourself!

Identity politics is great and all until you need to like eat food or catch a bus or get a job and then your subjectively constructed worldview comes crashing down because culture is founded on economic, material, access-to-resources objectivity and your brain stops working because glycolysis isn't happening anymore and then the covalent bonds comprising your molecules break apart as your meat dries out in the sun and entropy wins out because the second law of thermodynamics doesn't care how you identify in your particular culture. If only there were ample jobs and education and transporation and affordable housing and a living wage in your particular region, then maybe you'd have the freedom to give a shit about some temporary construct of the intersubjective intellect

On the one hand, I get pissed off by people who seem to ignore more pressing social-economic issues in favour of getting brownie points for being the most sensitive about identity and asking the real questions, like "is sushi cultural appropriation?" or arguing that this X-Men movie billboard supports domestic violence because the superhero depicted as being physically threatened by the villain of the movie happen to be female.

On the other hand, I get pissed off by people who think that their aren't any axis of disadvantage that intersect the economic one, and that racism/sexism/homophobia etc. aren't real things because "It's all about class, dude! The rest is just distractions that divide us!" because they aren't comfortable with any discussion of issues facing disadvantaged groups other than disadvantaged groups that ******* straight white dudes.

So pretty much, there's this fine line that doesn't piss me off, and even I have trouble walking it so that I don't piss myself off.

Disco King

10-05-2017, 10:32 AM

Oh shit, I just pissed myself off.

FUCK YOU DISCO KUNT

duovamp

10-05-2017, 10:37 AM

on a scale of 1 to 10 how underage are you avatars? The older I get the more uncomfortable they make me. But hey culture is relative right? THIS IS THE PLACE FOR FREEDOM FROM THE MALE WHITE CORPORATE OVER-SHIT-LORDS

I have no idea how old Oneisha is but I highly doubt she's underage. https://www.instagram.com/oneish.a/?hl=en

MyOneAndOnly

10-05-2017, 10:49 AM

identity politics = people who believe we all have an equal right to freedom, liberty, equality

except right wing christians, cause they think their special rights are not identity politics

teh b0lly!!1

10-05-2017, 10:51 AM

all we are saying
give peace a chance

MyOneAndOnly

10-05-2017, 10:54 AM

On the one hand, I get pissed off by people who seem to ignore more pressing social-economic issues in favour of getting brownie points for being the most sensitive about identity and asking the real questions, like "is sushi cultural appropriation?" or arguing that this X-Men movie billboard supports domestic violence because the superhero depicted as being physically threatened by the villain of the movie happen to be female.

On the other hand, I get pissed off by people who think that their aren't any axis of disadvantage that intersect the economic one, and that racism/sexism/homophobia etc. aren't real things because "It's all about class, dude! The rest is just distractions that divide us!" because they aren't comfortable with any discussion of issues facing disadvantaged groups other than disadvantaged groups that ******* straight white dudes.

So pretty much, there's this fine line that doesn't piss me off, and even I have trouble walking it so that I don't piss myself off.

I think it would be petty, mean and small of someone to say "i hate identity politics" just because you see what you think is pointless complaining on social media.

I see people argue this all the time, saying they hate queer people asking or equal rights beause they saw a link online to a story about someone using Zir as a pronoun.

How fucking close minded and selfish do people need to be to dismiss the pain of other people because some rando social media share

also just want to chime in and mention that social media is garbage unless you have some product to promote.

MyOneAndOnly

10-05-2017, 06:05 PM

i promote me, which is also my brand

Rairun

10-05-2017, 06:55 PM

I haven't paid my dues.

Are you yet another bi person who feels they aren't bi enough?

Because every single one of us feels or has felt this way. I'd say you've paid your dues.

Mood ring

10-05-2017, 07:13 PM

i promote me, which is also my brand

Which is what? Being scuzzy and generally disgusting. Please don't try to front like you're a special liberal or whatever, because I lean left but I just think you're gross.

Disco King

10-05-2017, 07:39 PM

Doesn't Scotty have OCD? I don't see him as scuzzy or gross at all. Dude probably washes his hands with bleach. I'd feel safe shaking his hand.

Disco King

10-05-2017, 07:42 PM

I'd let Scotty compulsively touch my face all over.

Shallowed

10-05-2017, 07:50 PM

also just want to chime in and mention that social media is garbage unless you have some product to promote.

In which case it's extra garbage.

FoolofaTook

10-05-2017, 08:05 PM

I'd let Scotty compulsively touch my face all over.

:eek: May I be allowed to furtively watch from the shadows?

MyOneAndOnly

10-05-2017, 08:30 PM

I'd let Scotty compulsively touch my face all over.

i will be gentle. I have soft hands. I'll speak soothing things to you.

duovamp

10-05-2017, 09:58 PM

Are you yet another bi person who feels they aren't bi enough?

Because every single one of us feels or has felt this way. I'd say you've paid your dues.

I don't feel like I should be more bi, I was just very dishonest about myself for a very long time, which made me pretty lonely and unhappy for years. Now I don't care at all, but it's too late to start pretending like I've been on the LGBTQ train all along.

yo soy el mejor

10-05-2017, 10:34 PM

Scott, this is some really nice activist work you're doing here. You should feel proud of yourself!

:rofl:

redbreegull

10-05-2017, 10:49 PM

on sunday I am going on a date with a woman who identifies as queer. can someone explain what this means to me

reprise85

10-05-2017, 10:57 PM

afaik queer just means "not heterosexual" and/or "not cisgender"

Disco King

10-05-2017, 11:49 PM

on sunday I am going on a date with a woman who identifies as queer. can someone explain what this means to me

How queer.

fuzzyroes

10-05-2017, 11:50 PM

Sounds like a very logical idea RBG. I'm sure it will be a match made in heaven!

FoolofaTook

10-05-2017, 11:51 PM

Oh boy here we go.

mxzombie

10-06-2017, 12:38 AM

del masel tov!

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 01:33 AM

Sounds like a very logical idea RBG. I'm sure it will be a match made in heaven!

she's a jewish feminist socialist who likes weed. so basically we might be the same person. and she is fucking cute and she asked ME out.

MyOneAndOnly

10-06-2017, 03:07 AM

Sounds like a very logical idea RBG. I'm sure it will be a match made in heaven!

Get out of my thread you stupid bigot fuck!

MyOneAndOnly

10-06-2017, 03:09 AM

I don't feel like I should be more bi, I was just very dishonest about myself for a very long time, which made me pretty lonely and unhappy for years. Now I don't care at all, but it's too late to start pretending like I've been on the LGBTQ train all along.

Don't worry. Live your life. Be happy now. There is no rule book.

Rairun

10-06-2017, 05:12 AM

I don't feel like I should be more bi, I was just very dishonest about myself for a very long time, which made me pretty lonely and unhappy for years. Now I don't care at all, but it's too late to start pretending like I've been on the LGBTQ train all along.

I only came out at 32. I was writing an e-mail to a friend who at the time was 23, and I referred to her as a straight person (because when we first met a couple of years before, she said she was) - but knowing her as I knew her then, it felt a bit wrong to assign that word to her. So I started writing a convoluted e-mail to ask her if she was bi, and by the end of it I had come out too (both to her and to myself). She had gone through the same thing except at a much earlier age than me.

I have been happy. I'm not going to say there are no strange attitudes towards bi people in parts of the LGBT community, because there are. But people can be more welcoming than you think. There's a long way to go, but awareness of bi issues is higher now than even five years ago too. I'm friends with gay men who would say pretty terrible things about bi people 10 years ago, and they now ask themselves why they did that. They have bi friends, and they have relationships with bi people, and they know we aren't just fake gay or fake straight.

Lots of bi people feel they aren't bi enough, or that they don't count because they haven't been with a same sex partner, or that they are bi but they have no claim over the word because they don't "live" it. There are a lot of us in monogamous straight relationships. Again, you didn't miss the boat - you are on the very same boat as most of us.

Rairun

10-06-2017, 05:37 AM

afaik queer just means "not heterosexual" and/or "not cisgender"

Mostly this, but the word also has non-assimilationist undertones. I'd say being queer means being outside heternormative culture, and thinking that the way forward isn't about being accepted into the mainstream. It's about questioning the idea that we should be getting married and organizing our lives around straight relationship models. It's about questioning what it means to love someone, and what it means to have a family, and finding alternative ways to structure your life other than a very private and isolating notion of couplehood.

You could say that this has nothing to do with being gay or straight, and in a sense this is true. There are gay people who are very traditional in every other aspect of their lives. There are straight people who aren't. But it's impossible to deny that historically, queer people have engaged with those questions - and created a culture around them - to a much greater extent than straight people have.

LaBelle

10-06-2017, 07:57 AM

on sunday I am going on a date with a woman who identifies as queer. can someone explain what this means to me

It really doesn't "mean" anything out of the ordinary. It's a date, try to have fun and don't order the soup.

NEVER order the soup.

pavementtune

10-06-2017, 09:45 AM

x2

pavementtune

10-06-2017, 09:46 AM

Doesn't Scotty have OCD? I don't see him as scuzzy or gross at all. Dude probably washes his hands with bleach. I'd feel safe shaking his hand.

lol, bleach hands unite! not a fan of shaking hands but yea, scotty is likely a safe bet.

LaBelle

10-06-2017, 12:05 PM

Sometimes I feel like I'm not hetero enough. Like, I really dig chicks, but I could be banging more of them, you know?

If your posts here are any indication, I can certainly see why you'd have trouble in that regard.

reprise85

10-06-2017, 12:16 PM

I only came out at 32. I was writing an e-mail to a friend who at the time was 23, and I referred to her as a straight person (because when we first met a couple of years before, she said she was) - but knowing her as I knew her then, it felt a bit wrong to assign that word to her. So I started writing a convoluted e-mail to ask her if she was bi, and by the end of it I had come out too (both to her and to myself). She had gone through the same thing except at a much earlier age than me.

I have been happy. I'm not going to say there are no strange attitudes towards bi people in parts of the LGBT community, because there are. But people can be more welcoming than you think. There's a long way to go, but awareness of bi issues is higher now than even five years ago too. I'm friends with gay men who would say pretty terrible things about bi people 10 years ago, and they now ask themselves why they did that. They have bi friends, and they have relationships with bi people, and they know we aren't just fake gay or fake straight.

Lots of bi people feel they aren't bi enough, or that they don't count because they haven't been with a same sex partner, or that they are bi but they have no claim over the word because they don't "live" it. There are a lot of us in monogamous straight relationships. Again, you didn't miss the boat - you are on the very same boat as most of us.

This is anecdotal and probably wrong, but the most compassionate people I know are all bi. They also tend to be very smart. It seems like a pattern. Like everyone I've talked to in the mental health field about it are bi, or I see it incidentally. Like both my therapist and psychiatrist are bi. My therapist I know because she is divorced and has talked about her new partner as 'she'. My psychiatrist is really open about it on his facebook page (we aren't friends on FB but I've seen it). Like I'm probably just seeing this because I myself am bi, but it does seem like a pattern. Like you could guess their orientation just by how open minded they are in general

FoolofaTook

10-06-2017, 12:36 PM

Like Liam Gallagher?

FoolofaTook

10-06-2017, 12:37 PM

Wrong page. Sigh.

Twas supposed to follow the poots comment.

FoolofaTook

10-06-2017, 12:38 PM

Yeah liam isn't bi 4 sure. closeminded twerp.

noel on the other hand... :)

duovamp

10-06-2017, 01:41 PM

This is anecdotal and probably wrong, but the most compassionate people I know are all bi. They also tend to be very smart. It seems like a pattern. Like everyone I've talked to in the mental health field about it are bi, or I see it incidentally. Like both my therapist and psychiatrist are bi. My therapist I know because she is divorced and has talked about her new partner as 'she'. My psychiatrist is really open about it on his facebook page (we aren't friends on FB but I've seen it). Like I'm probably just seeing this because I myself am bi, but it does seem like a pattern. Like you could guess their orientation just by how open minded they are in general

It's funny but I genuinely felt the exact same.

I only came out at 32. I was writing an e-mail to a friend who at the time was 23, and I referred to her as a straight person (because when we first met a couple of years before, she said she was) - but knowing her as I knew her then, it felt a bit wrong to assign that word to her. So I started writing a convoluted e-mail to ask her if she was bi, and by the end of it I had come out too (both to her and to myself). She had gone through the same thing except at a much earlier age than me.

I have been happy. I'm not going to say there are no strange attitudes towards bi people in parts of the LGBT community, because there are. But people can be more welcoming than you think. There's a long way to go, but awareness of bi issues is higher now than even five years ago too. I'm friends with gay men who would say pretty terrible things about bi people 10 years ago, and they now ask themselves why they did that. They have bi friends, and they have relationships with bi people, and they know we aren't just fake gay or fake straight.

Lots of bi people feel they aren't bi enough, or that they don't count because they haven't been with a same sex partner, or that they are bi but they have no claim over the word because they don't "live" it. There are a lot of us in monogamous straight relationships. Again, you didn't miss the boat - you are on the very same boat as most of us.

That's sort of how it came about, where I was talking to old friends and felt comfortable joking about same sex encounters I had in the past, and it felt great to just be like "Yeah I've done that and had those experiences and those were fun times I don't need to hide from myself or anyone else anymore." I told my wife about it very early when we were dating, but we're obviously super close, but it was nice to be open about it with friends rather than keep hiding it.

duovamp

10-06-2017, 01:43 PM

But it still feels like I'd be bandwagoning to start tying myself to the LGBTQ community now that it's socially more acceptable.

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 02:56 PM

Mostly this, but the word also has non-assimilationist undertones. I'd say being queer means being outside heternormative culture, and thinking that the way forward isn't about being accepted into the mainstream. It's about questioning the idea that we should be getting married and organizing our lives around straight relationship models. It's about questioning what it means to love someone, and what it means to have a family, and finding alternative ways to structure your life other than a very private and isolating notion of couplehood.

You could say that this has nothing to do with being gay or straight, and in a sense this is true. There are gay people who are very traditional in every other aspect of their lives. There are straight people who aren't. But it's impossible to deny that historically, queer people have engaged with those questions - and created a culture around them - to a much greater extent than straight people have.

This is really fascinating to me. Out of curiosity, at what point does it stop being ok (or accurate) to use the term queer to label oneself? For instance, I'm pretty against what I see as mostly constraining and oppressive models of families and couplehood (i.e. a family must have two "correctly" gendered parents, a couple must be exclusive to one another, etc etc). I've done the whole ethical polyamory thing and honestly it made me so much more satisfied than relationships with traditional boundaries I have questioned if there is an aspect to it that is closer to a sexual orientation than a mere preference.

At the same time it would seem incredibly appropriative for someone like me with these attitudes and experiences to use that label simply because I ideologically feel opposed to normative models of love and sex, right?

The Omega Concern

10-06-2017, 07:20 PM

This is really fascinating to me. Out of curiosity, at what point does it stop being ok (or accurate) to use the term queer to label oneself? For instance, I'm pretty against what I see as mostly constraining and oppressive models of families and couplehood (i.e. a family must have two "correctly" gendered parents, a couple must be exclusive to one another, etc etc).

How is a man and woman, with the ability to reproduce naturally, constraining and oppressive models of a family?

Rairun

10-06-2017, 07:21 PM

This is really fascinating to me. Out of curiosity, at what point does it stop being ok (or accurate) to use the term queer to label oneself? For instance, I'm pretty against what I see as mostly constraining and oppressive models of families and couplehood (i.e. a family must have two "correctly" gendered parents, a couple must be exclusive to one another, etc etc). I've done the whole ethical polyamory thing and honestly it made me so much more satisfied than relationships with traditional boundaries I have questioned if there is an aspect to it that is closer to a sexual orientation than a mere preference.

At the same time it would seem incredibly appropriative for someone like me with these attitudes and experiences to use that label simply because I ideologically feel opposed to normative models of love and sex, right?

I think identifying as queer is limited to LGBT people. I can't see how to detach the term from LGBT history. Poly or kinky* people who identify as queer without being LGBT aren't unheard of, but this is generally controversial. Personally, if someone is cis/straight but eschews heteronormativity, I wouldn't call them queer, but I wouldn't object to them living in my dream queer commune either. :P

Different queer people have different views on the word as well. I think quite a few people identify as queer because they feel that the words gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc. don't quite fit them - they feel reality is more complex than those categories. I feel a bit differently. I do think reality is more complex, and I don't feel cis and bi describe me perfectly either (I'm not gender-conforming in many senses; the exact ways I'm attracted to different genders aren't a mirror image of each other). But I also feel that if I only described myself as queer, that would be too vague. It'd make many of my experiences invisible instead of honoring their specificities. So I generally identify as bi AND queer. Bi because I'm also attracted to genders other than my own, and queer as a personal/political stance.

* Information technology. Seriously though, I said "poly or kinky", but I'm not saying both things are related - I myself am poly but not kinky. It's just that I've seen both poly and kinky people do that.

Rairun

10-06-2017, 07:24 PM

How is a man and woman, with the ability to reproduce naturally, constraining and oppressive models of a family?

Are you an SJW, Feminist, Post Modernist, Bolshevik or Queer? I need to see your ID or I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 07:40 PM

that guy is a straight up nazi sympathizer, NOT who this thread is for.

Rairun

10-06-2017, 07:43 PM

This is anecdotal and probably wrong, but the most compassionate people I know are all bi. They also tend to be very smart. It seems like a pattern. Like everyone I've talked to in the mental health field about it are bi, or I see it incidentally. Like both my therapist and psychiatrist are bi. My therapist I know because she is divorced and has talked about her new partner as 'she'. My psychiatrist is really open about it on his facebook page (we aren't friends on FB but I've seen it). Like I'm probably just seeing this because I myself am bi, but it does seem like a pattern. Like you could guess their orientation just by how open minded they are in general

Yeah, it's probably just confirmation bias, but the three people I'm closest to are all bi. I think the reason I feel fond of them is more related to the way they think of friendships, and relationships, and so on, though. I'm not sure how exactly being bi plays into that, but I just really like people who can navigate their affections without a sense of entitlement, and who care more about people than the role they want them to play in their lives.

Rairun

10-06-2017, 07:44 PM

that guy is a straight up nazi sympathizer, NOT who this thread is for.

Yeah, I know who TOC is, I was just politely telling him to sod off.

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 08:05 PM

I figured you knew I just wanted to call him a nazi sympathizer

noyen

10-06-2017, 09:22 PM

i guess id be considered queer but wouldnt really want to label myself

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 09:23 PM

Because rgb is a child

Thank god dumbasses like him are not reproducing.

look not all of us can be nazi dads who can't decide if they are trolling or serious about white supremacy.

noyen

10-06-2017, 09:31 PM

I think identifying as queer is limited to LGBT people. I can't see how to detach the term from LGBT history. Poly or kinky* people who identify as queer without being LGBT aren't unheard of, but this is generally controversial. Personally, if someone is cis/straight but eschews heteronormativity, I wouldn't call them queer, but I wouldn't object to them living in my dream queer commune either. :P

Different queer people have different views on the word as well. I think quite a few people identify as queer because they feel that the words gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc. don't quite fit them - they feel reality is more complex than those categories. I feel a bit differently. I do think reality is more complex, and I don't feel cis and bi describe me perfectly either (I'm not gender-conforming in many senses; the exact ways I'm attracted to different genders aren't a mirror image of each other). But I also feel that if I only described myself as queer, that would be too vague. It'd make many of my experiences invisible instead of honoring their specificities. So I generally identify as bi AND queer. Bi because I'm also attracted to genders other than my own, and queer as a personal/political stance.

* Information technology. Seriously though, I said "poly or kinky", but I'm not saying both things are related - I myself am poly but not kinky. It's just that I've seen both poly and kinky people do that.

this kind of talk makes me nuts though how is a real outsider supposed to relate to a bunch of people who have just excluded you because queer means this and bi means that its too breakbeat folk trance level of subdivisioning it makes it harder to interact i think when you must follow some norm of the deviance in order to be deviant. i know these terms are supposed to help people identify which i guess is why the Q is now sometimes seen in appearances of LGBT acronym drops. anyway, not really adding anything other than i also wanted to add i practice kink.wiccan kink.

redbreegull

10-06-2017, 09:40 PM

polymammary

slunken

10-06-2017, 10:09 PM

It might not fit in this thread but how does anyone feel about Jordan Peterson?

slunken

10-06-2017, 10:12 PM

might not be pertinent to this thread but i agree with how he says that language is a social negotiation and cannot be forced..

Shallowed

10-06-2017, 10:27 PM

Anything else?

Rairun

10-07-2017, 06:57 AM

this kind of talk makes me nuts though how is a real outsider supposed to relate to a bunch of people who have just excluded you because queer means this and bi means that its too breakbeat folk trance level of subdivisioning it makes it harder to interact i think when you must follow some norm of the deviance in order to be deviant. i know these terms are supposed to help people identify which i guess is why the Q is now sometimes seen in appearances of LGBT acronym drops. anyway, not really adding anything other than i also wanted to add i practice kink.wiccan kink.

I think my answer was all over the place. Not a particularly good one.

I think the use of "queer" can be complicated because it's a slur against lgbt people that was reclaimed by lgbt people - I felt uncomfortable calling myself queer for ages even though I felt a strong affinity to it. It was only after I started exploring the fact that I was bi that I stopped worrying I was appropriating the word. It's probably some internalized prejudice, I don't know. It's weird to feel close to an idea and constantly question whether you belong.

So I think you're right that less gatekeeping is generally a good thing. As far as I'm concerned, if you're genuinely uncomfortable with the status quo, if you're seriously questioning how gender is done or how relationships are done, you are welcome under the queer umbrella, even if you are mostly cis or straight. It doesn't mean you won't find any resistance from anyone (because you will), but I guess that's the nature of social groups.

I wouldn't even attribute meanness to some forms of gatekeeping, just fear and self-preservation. I admit I feel a bit suspicious about polyamory being considered queer, even though I am poly, and I feel my polyamory is very much a part of my queerness. There are so many ways to be poly, and some of them are very traditional in every aspect other than the number of partners you have (not unlike conservative, assimilated, suburban married gay couples who are "normal" otherwise). Some of them can be quite sexist too. But I do feel other ways of doing polyamory count as queer.

But then again, who gets to decide that? I don't trust myself as gatekeeper. I don't think anyone should trust themselves. So we are left with self-identification, and with being generous when approaching other people, and treating them as people. It's not always an easy thing to do when you are an embattled minority, but it's what should be done.

Rairun

10-07-2017, 08:06 AM

I know you're just being flippant, but it's funny how you finished by telling us to get a job. I think there's a continuity there between heteronormativity, and the idea of love and family as a private experience between two people and their offspring, and the creation of these self-contained productive units that make money for rich people. I'm not saying that it's all a big conspiracy, but the nuclear family does sit perfectly within this capitalist hellhole.

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 08:22 AM

It might not fit in this thread but how does anyone feel about Jordan Peterson?

He is a piece of shit. I would refer to him as "Alt Lite"

He is repackaging decades old anti liberal anti feminist anti black vitriol into a form that is easier for "centrists" to accept. The right wing was ranting about post Modernism 30 years ago.

Most of his ranting is effectively straw man arguments.

duovamp

10-07-2017, 10:13 AM

As long as he doesn't take a knee during the anthem I support him!

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 10:25 AM

bigots are so predictable. you criticize them and they reply by saying you hate free speech. I support free speech. I support everyone's right to tell other people that they are shit and their ideas are shit.

Disco King

10-07-2017, 10:48 AM

As long as he doesn't take a knee during the anthem I support him!

It's the only thing some football fans respect! It could trigger them if you don't stand for the anthem! They came to watch wifebeaters give each other concussions, not to think about disadvantages they don't personally face!

Cool As Ice Cream

10-07-2017, 10:51 AM

nobody is forcing them to be a football player if they don't like it there is the door no reason to show disrespect towards a national symbol this is the country you live in the country that has given you everything if you don't like it go back where you came from

Cool As Ice Cream

10-07-2017, 10:51 AM

simple

Disco King

10-07-2017, 10:52 AM

✔️ SJWs
✔️ Feminists
❌ Post-modernists
❌ Bolsheviks
✔️ Queers

Disco King

10-07-2017, 10:58 AM

simple

Agreed. If any coloured people don't like the way they feel like they are treated by the authorities in America, they should feel free to move back to whichever country they came from that American authorities fucked up through neoliberalism and regime change.

duovamp

10-07-2017, 12:33 PM

If you don't masturbate during the anthem then you're free to leave the greatest country in the world.

redbreegull

10-07-2017, 01:37 PM

BTW I am sorry if what I said came off in a weird or offensive way, I know at least a few people interpreted my question about queerness as pretty ignorant and I blame my poor articulation.

I have no problem with dating a queer person and I don't feel strange about it at all. I know she is interested in me and it is explicitly a date so I wasn't questioning anything like that. I literally just meant that I am ignorant about what the word means and was seeking serious answers to educate myself.

slunken

10-07-2017, 01:50 PM

He is a piece of shit. I would refer to him as "Alt Lite"

He is repackaging decades old anti liberal anti feminist anti black vitriol into a form that is easier for "centrists" to accept. The right wing was ranting about post Modernism 30 years ago.

Most of his ranting is effectively straw man arguments.

This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"

slunken

10-07-2017, 01:50 PM

pretty ignorant and I blame my poor articulation.

I feel like this 24/7

slunken

10-07-2017, 01:58 PM

language is a social negotiation, not a hostage crisis.

redbreegull

10-07-2017, 02:04 PM

Is that a descriptive or prescriptive idea about language though? Maybe in an ideal world language should be a social negotiation, but I think that control of symbology is basically like holding the "keys to the kingdom" in a way, and people are going to compete for that control when there is a disagreement, not sit down and try to compromise.

besides we do have gatekeepers of language (people who write dictionaries for example, or people in positions of power to come up with new terms and push for change in old ones) so it's definitely not as simple as everyone coming together and the consensus of everyone's thoughts becoming the "rules" like a democratic vote, you know?

slunken

10-07-2017, 02:17 PM

It's difficult to navigate, because as a culture we're used to older words no longer becoming acceptable to the population (like gay, fag, n-word, ******, etc).

We're not really used to new words being introduced and enforced so heavily. Usually they would start on a small scale and work their way up, or with older words they would work their way down.

I don't have a problem with accommodating a person's personal preference, but what is crazy is if you refuse or ignore these new terms you may be guilty of hate speech. The law on the subject (in Canada) is the only thing that really makes me scratch my head.

slunken

10-07-2017, 02:18 PM

I completely understand (or try to) where Jordan is coming from.

slunken

10-07-2017, 02:19 PM

I feel so stupid for posting in this thread.

Disco King

10-07-2017, 02:22 PM

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

This isn't what any Canadian legislation mandates at all.

Disco King

10-07-2017, 02:41 PM

Americans trying to talk about Canadian politics on here is worse than when Canadians are weighing in on American politics.

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 03:10 PM

This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"

His arguments about the Canadian 'law' are complete nonsense. He utterly misrepresents it. The law is not applicable in the way that he states it is. In fact, within his province there has been near identical legialation in place for years. He never complained about the provincial law.

His arguments about being forced by the Federal government or even his own college are specious. He claims he can be fired or jailed, for instance, for mis gendering someone. NOT TRUE. He has made wild accusations about being threatened by his college. Not True. His own university has had to release official statements negating many of his accusations. The rest of his objections are similarly out of the bounds and application of the laws in his province and Canada, and also of the rules he works under at his college.

Like conservative arguments in the 80s and 90s against the armies of PC fanatics in our colleges, Peterson's insistance that his college or country has been taken over by marxist post modernists is simply ridiculous. There are no post modernists. The people he seems to fear so much on college campuses are a tiny number of powerless queers, women and minorities, most of which are just asking that teachers don't mistreat them or insult them in class.

There is not an anti free speech movement on the left or on college campuses. In fact, college students today are MORE supportive of free speech and in the USA seem to be MORE respectful of basic constitutional rights. Peterson is simply another in a decades long conservative media narrative to argue otherwise.

somewhat tangential, but there an interiesting piece in salon.com right now that touches on free speech and college students.

peterson has been all over American Media (like Fox News) with these accusations and they are patently false.

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 03:19 PM

FTR I am sick to death of talking about whether bigots have great arguments for shitting on people. This is not a thread for arguing about whether Alex Jones is a genious

Shallowed

10-07-2017, 03:53 PM

Please stay on topic or I will alert Ram27 to this thread

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 04:03 PM

Let's all go for a rainbow unicorn ride!

slunken

10-07-2017, 04:36 PM

Americans trying to talk about Canadian politics on here is worse than when Canadians are weighing in on American politics.

Sorry, dude.

MyOneAndOnly

10-07-2017, 11:17 PM

one continent

one love

https://i.elitestatic.com/content/uploads/2016/07/16025405/giphy.gif

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 04:33 AM

This is an hilarious and emotive repsonse. I feel like Marilyn Manson.

It's easy to forget that his main argument is that his government (Canadian) is trying to force him to learn and use a new language, and he feels that's not how language works.

If he accidentally (or purposefully) doesn't recognize someone as "owl-kin" or whatever, he could be legally guilty of a hate crime.

That's insane because there are currently well over 100 "new genders" which are constantly splintering off into smaller and smaller groups with newer languages to identify themselves. Which is fine. But you can't legally prosecute people for not knowing new rules that were just made up by the people who want to enforce those rules.

It would be like banning every user on this board who tried to type the word "inc-lude"

It's true man... My pops was saying the other day that for all the shit that America gets around here, they take freedom and the constitution very seriously and have respect for human rights in a way that Canada doesn't.

Some old man awhile back from a town up from mine had some crack-heads breaking into his compound and he was scared to death, so he went out, shot the one dude in the leg, had the crackheads go scrambling and leave and then within an hour a handful of cop cars are at his door and he's being arrested and ended up having to spend a significant time in the slammer for assault... And of course it's on his criminal record and he can't go to the States anymore or anything... Total joke.

So for all the shit that the USA gets around international circles, you guys should at least be thankful and respect the good aspects of living by your constitution

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 04:45 AM

There is not an anti free speech movement on the left or on college campuses. In fact, college students today are MORE supportive of free speech and in the USA seem to be MORE respectful of basic constitutional rights. Peterson is simply another in a decades long conservative media narrative to argue otherwise.

Dude... Bill Maher, the biggest liberal mouthpiece was banned from speaking at Berkley cause he was too offensive. Free speech is under attack right now, and it's basically a left-wing thing... Which sucks for you because common sense people are just voting Republican by default because the "micro-aggression" bullshit is too ridiculous for any sane minded person to put up with.

Shallowed

10-08-2017, 05:04 AM

shut the fuck up, fuzzy

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 05:22 AM

***hugs for my friend shallowed***

Forgive a man for what he says in his darkest hours... Accept the man who wants to change

smashingjj

10-08-2017, 05:53 AM

you don't really, though

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 08:19 AM

Dude... Bill Maher, the biggest liberal mouthpiece was banned from speaking at Berkley cause he was too offensive. Free speech is under attack right now, and it's basically a left-wing thing... Which sucks for you because common sense people are just voting Republican by default because the "micro-aggression" bullshit is too ridiculous for any sane minded person to put up with.

He was never banned from speaking at Berkeley. The university has not banned him. He was the commencement speaker at their graduation ceremonies 3 years ago.

LaBelle

10-08-2017, 09:11 AM

Well this thread didn't deliver.

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 10:44 AM

why can't the non conformists have a safe space?

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 10:46 AM

I can't post a gay unicorn gif without some third reich shitlord butting in

yo soy el mejor

10-08-2017, 11:30 AM

Agreed. If any coloured people don't like the way they feel like they are treated by the authorities in America, they should feel free to move back to whichever country they came from that American authorities fucked up through neoliberalism and regime change.

exactly. mad whites go back to europe!

The Omega Concern

10-08-2017, 11:42 AM

that guy is a straight up nazi sympathizer, NOT who this thread is for.

You, the dumbfuck pussy leftist, have rendered the meaning of a term like Nazi useless by spreading it to those who argue effectively against the hedonistic, nay nihilistic, nature of the lefts view on just about everything.

You have a man and a woman who follow the cues of their hormones that have been instilled since the dawn of man and you imply this is somehow offensive to those who are not straight.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay but I don't fully understand the push to identify straight folks for being straight as oppressive. This cult like thinking seems to run rampant with the naval-contemplative religious left.

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 11:48 AM

exactly. mad whites go back to europe!

I'll move to Sweden. My mom's people are fun and I like the weather.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 01:25 PM

Do I get my selection of which countries from whence my ancestors originated, or is it like a dice roll, or...?

slunken

10-08-2017, 01:47 PM

its 2pm and im still wearing only my underwear.

if i make it till nightfall i'm a "pajampion"

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 02:48 PM

You, the dumbfuck pussy leftist, have rendered the meaning of a term like Nazi useless by spreading it to those who argue effectively against the hedonistic, nay nihilistic, nature of the lefts view on just about everything.

You have a man and a woman who follow the cues of their hormones that have been instilled since the dawn of man and you imply this is somehow offensive to those who are not straight.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay but I don't fully understand the push to identify straight folks for being straight as oppressive. This cult like thinking seems to run rampant with the naval-contemplative religious left.

He was never banned from speaking at Berkeley. The university has not banned him. He was the commencement speaker at their graduation ceremonies 3 years ago.

He was initially disallowed from speaking and only after all of the backlash did they decide to invite him back.

reprise85

10-08-2017, 03:50 PM

You, the dumbfuck pussy leftist, have rendered the meaning of a term like Nazi useless by spreading it to those who argue effectively against the hedonistic, nay nihilistic, nature of the lefts view on just about everything.

You have a man and a woman who follow the cues of their hormones that have been instilled since the dawn of man and you imply this is somehow offensive to those who are not straight.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay but I don't fully understand the push to identify straight folks for being straight as oppressive. This cult like thinking seems to run rampant with the naval-contemplative religious left.

Straight people are not offensive, but it is oppressive that the world has only been made for straight monogamous couples - regarding legal marriage, adoption laws, etc. But things are changing. Also, I wouldn't hang your hat on human impulses since the dawn of man. There you will find violence, rape, genocide, and superstition.

Disco King

10-08-2017, 03:56 PM

People ITT legit think that the monogamous nuclear family is anything but a recent invention

The hormones are there for procreation and the only way to do that until recently in human history was hetero sex.

When you combine the hedonism with the nihilism in the political realm, you get this:

Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fpolitics%2 Fessential%2Fla-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html)

Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Friday that lowers from a felony to a misdemeanor the crime of knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV without disclosing the infection.

The measure also applies to those who give blood without telling the blood bank that they are HIV-positive.

Modern medicine allows those with HIV to live longer lives and nearly eliminates the possibility of transmission, according to state Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) and Assemblyman Todd Gloria (D-San Diego), authors of the bill.

as the ol saying goes, politics can make strange bedfellows. I would like to think we are all in agreement this is a terrible bill Brown just signed into law. But I dunno, maybe scotty likes it. Or maybe some of you are buying the rationale Big Pharma has pushed on the politicians to work around the moral dilemma of not revealing you have an STD to someone your about to sex up, because wth, drugs render all that moot now, I guess...

duovamp

10-08-2017, 06:08 PM

its 2pm and im still wearing only my underwear.

if i make it till nightfall i'm a "pajampion"

The portmanteau makes it less depressing.

slunken

10-08-2017, 06:14 PM

I'm here to warm hearts.

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 06:22 PM

People ITT legit think that the monogamous nuclear family is anything but a recent invention

Laughing at their pure ideology

more truth ^^^

smashingjj

10-08-2017, 06:36 PM

The hormones are there for procreation and the only way to do that until recently in human history was hetero sex.

When you combine the hedonism with the nihilism in the political realm, you get this:

Knowingly exposing others to HIV will no longer be a felony in California (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fpolitics%2 Fessential%2Fla-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html)

as the ol saying goes, politics can make strange bedfellows. I would like to think we are all in agreement this is a terrible bill Brown just signed into law. But I dunno, maybe scotty likes it. Or maybe some of you are buying the rationale Big Pharma has pushed on the politicians to work around the moral dilemma of not revealing you have an STD to someone your about to sex up, because wth, drugs render all that moot now, I guess...right. I got this instead;

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it's fucking hard when the Truth turns out to be locked up behind some Internet forum membership wall

MyOneAndOnly

10-08-2017, 06:53 PM

let's all stop responding to the Trump Trolls in this thread

smashingjj

10-08-2017, 07:02 PM

is it coincidence that TRUTH and TRUMP both have five letters and start with the same three?

smashingjj

10-08-2017, 07:02 PM

as opposed to OBAMA: four letters, only the first two are the same

smashingjj

10-08-2017, 07:05 PM

Just something to think about

vixnix

10-08-2017, 07:12 PM

It's hard to tell if monogamous nuclear families actually exist, but I think holding that as ideal has been around certainly for two thousand years, if proverbs and the Pauline epistles are anything to go by. Is that what you mean by recent DK? In evolutionary terms it is definitely recent I agree, but it's not like a product of the 1950s or anything. I think the nuclear family home is a product of that time, maybe. Nuclear families living separately from their extended families is pretty recent.

And I agree that it is culturally solipsistic claim that monogamous nuclear families are natural to humans. But certainly for some human populations the concept and apparent reality have been around for a while?

Certainly for women there has been an expectation of virginity and monogamy, even if the rules were a little more relaxed for men. Up until very recently there has been an understandable incentive for men to be concerned with women being monogamous, I would think?

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 07:13 PM

What about Obama and Osama

?

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 08:14 PM

The snowflake epidemic on campuses continues:

A student at Michigan State University reported a “racial incident” after a “noose” was hung outside her room, only for police to discover that the object was a lost shoelace.

The story began when the president of MSU Lou Anna K. Simon released a statement saying she, “Was distressed this morning to learn of a racial incident in one of our residence halls. A student reported a noose was hung outside of her room. I want to recognize the courage it took for the student to report this incident.”

Simon went on to say that “a noose is a symbol of intimidation and threat that has a horrendous history in America,” adding that such behavior would “is not tolerated on our campus”.

After MSU Police investigated the incident they discovered that the “noose” was actually a lost shoelace.

“After investigating, MSU Police have determined the object was a packaged leather shoelace and not a noose. The matching packaged shoelace was found outside of the residence hall. Officers located and spoke to the student who lost both of the shoelaces, which are packaged in a way that someone could perceive them to look similar to a noose. The student who lost the shoelaces lives on the same floor as the student who made the original report,” read the statement.

Basically, another student saw the shoelace on the floor, picked it up and put it on a stairwell door handle, presumably to make it easier to find. This then turned into a potential racist hate crime.

The incident once again highlights how Americans have become obsessed with race to the brink of mass hysteria.

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 08:16 PM

"snowflake epidemic"

buzzard

10-08-2017, 08:23 PM

Weren't you just on about how much better things are in the United States?

Never mind that a pretty powerful ignorance of the castle doctrine was required for that stance, in any case.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 08:31 PM

Yeah, but I'm only talking about this snowflake movement that's gripping the nation... It's a problem for those like me who are proponents of freedom.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 08:33 PM

Yeah, but I'm only talking about this snowflake movement that's gripping the nation... It's a problem for those like me who are proponents of freedom.

fuck you retard

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 08:33 PM

how's that for freedom you stupid asshole

Rairun

10-08-2017, 08:43 PM

We could be talking about all sorts of gay things here, but they have this talent of reducing everything to shit.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 08:45 PM

Perfectly fine.

I'm not trying to ruffle anyones feathers. Even Bill Mahers rallying against the movement and it's a big reason why people voted for Trump in the first place.

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 08:49 PM

die

"even Bill Maher"

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 08:52 PM

Bill Maher got triggered when he got called out for being stupid and xenophobic about Islam and so now he does the same thing alt right Trump bros do claiming people are too sensitive

nah man you said something stupid and got called out

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 08:53 PM

Perfectly fine.

I'm not trying to ruffle anyones feathers. Even Bill Mahers rallying against the movement and it's a big reason why people voted for Trump in the first place.

you are such a disingenuous shithead

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 08:56 PM

You have some serious mental problems man... Fuckin' lowlife stoner

Shallowed

10-08-2017, 08:57 PM

Shut the fuck up, fuzzy

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 08:58 PM

Yeah forget slunken I want to fight fuzzy now.

fuck you dickhead imma buy a mace and show up on your doorstep tlish style.

Shallowed

10-08-2017, 08:59 PM

Did Trots often show up on peoples doorsteps?

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 08:59 PM

You have some serious mental problems man

you have some serious mental compartmentalization problems man

you come here and play the victim when people use derogatory language towards you, then you turn around and act cynical and shitty towards people fearing the kind of racial harassment and threats which have been daily life for them for hundreds of years? Fuck you, you weak hypocritical fuck. You are like the paragon of showing empathy only when you can envision yourself in the victim's situation.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:00 PM

again, fuck you.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:01 PM

Bill Maher got triggered when he got called out for being stupid and xenophobic about Islam and so now he does the same thing alt right Trump bros do claiming people are too sensitive

nah man you said something stupid and got called out

He's actually pretty spot on when he talks about Islam... For some reason people claim that it's racist to point out the very real problems.

But come on man, he's about as left-wing a talking head as there's ever been... And when even he speaks out about this "micro-aggression" baloney, you know it's a real problem.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:01 PM

Did Trots often show up on peoples doorsteps?

Heh no. But he used to threaten to beat ppl up so i might of stretched the similie a bit.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:02 PM

He's actually pretty spot on when he talks about Islam... For some reason people claim that it's racist to point out the very real problems.

But come on man, he's about as left-wing a talking head as there's ever been... And when even he speaks out about this "micro-aggression" baloney, you know it's a real problem.

and no he isn't? bill maher is not "liberal" he's an asshole libertarian

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:03 PM

Yeah forget slunken I want to fight fuzzy now.

fuck you dickhead imma buy a mace and show up on your doorstep tlish style.

Coming from you, I find this a little disconcerting :rofl:

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:04 PM

edit: fuzzy is drinking again

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:05 PM

you have some serious mental compartmentalization problems man

you come here and play the victim when people use derogatory language towards you, then you turn around and act cynical and shitty towards people fearing the kind of racial harassment and threats which have been daily life for them for hundreds of years? Fuck you, you weak hypocritical fuck. You are like the paragon of showing empathy only when you can envision yourself in the victim's situation.

ahh, stick a cork in it... I never said anything about racial harassment or threats... But whatever man... Not looking to get in a big thing with ya.

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 09:05 PM

But come on man, he's about as left-wing a talking head as there's ever been...

Again completely false he's always been the most elitist douchebag establishment neoliberal talking head of the left

and no he isn't? bill maher is not "liberal" he's an asshole libertarian

Please... For the last 8 years there's been no bigger Democrat patsy than Maher. He even gave Obama a million dollars for crying out loud.:rofl: And the guys a complete Hillary fan-boy. The only cool thing about him is that he will speak his mind despite the PC police flying into a blind rage.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:07 PM

He's drinking and trying to aggravate you.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:08 PM

ahh, stick a cork in it... I never said anything about racial harassment or threats... But whatever man... Not looking to get in a big thing with ya.

you were making fun of someone for mistaking a shoelace for a noose. You are aware that there has been an epidemic of nooses and other threats made against black people on campuses since the Trump election, yeah? BTW that was rhetorical, I know you have no idea about that because you are ignorant as all get out.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:08 PM

fuzzy if you drink yourself to death you would be doing the world a huge favor. I'll even buy you the next round

duovamp

10-08-2017, 09:09 PM

He's actually pretty spot on when he talks about Islam... For some reason people claim that it's racist to point out the very real problems.

But come on man, he's about as left-wing a talking head as there's ever been... And when even he speaks out about this "micro-aggression" baloney, you know it's a real problem.

Just to be clear, your white male opinion is like his in that micro-aggressions are invisible to you as well, correct?

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:11 PM

you were making fun of someone for mistaking a shoelace for a noose. You are aware that there has been an epidemic of nooses and other threats made against black people on campuses since the Trump election, yeah? BTW that was rhetorical, I know you have no idea about that because you are ignorant as all get out.

Lmao... Someone found a shoelace on the ground and hung it on the doorknob of the door to the stairs :rofl:... You know, it's the polite thing to do when you find something lost on the ground... To cry in a hysteria about a "noose" is beyond ridiculous.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:12 PM

Coming from you, I find this a little disconcerting :rofl:

I've got a complete works of William Shakepeare chilling right next to my bed. Fucker must weigh half a ton.

All I need is one hit when you open the front door drunk. Then it's back to prison for me and facial reconstruction surgery time for you.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:12 PM

My bad. its actually an annotated complete works of bill

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:13 PM

fuzzy if you drink yourself to death you would be doing the world a huge favor. I'll even buy you the next round

Smoke some more weed ya burnout loser

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:14 PM

Smoke some more weed ya burnout loser

yeah let's see who dies first

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:14 PM

I'll piss on your corpse

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:14 PM

I've got a complete works of William Shakepeare chilling right next to my bed. Fucker must weigh half a ton.

All I need is one hit when you open the front door drunk. Then it's back to prison for me and facial reconstruction surgery time for you.

Oh no, I'm shaking in my boots

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 09:15 PM

now this thread is cooking

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:15 PM

Rbg smokes a bowl at night.

You are drinking yourself to death
There is no comparison.. If you want a burnout loser try attacking me with the pothead thing.

buzzard

10-08-2017, 09:15 PM

I've just spent an entire morning trying to balance somebody's wallet on the nearest door handle.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:16 PM

too bad it's not possible to hit someone hard enough to knock the douchebaggery out of them

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:16 PM

yeah let's see who dies first

Lmao why are you so angry? My god... I post a hilarious story about some snowflake freaking out over a sneaker lace and you get whipped up into a frenzy.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:17 PM

Lmao why are you so angry? My god... I post a hilarious story about some snowflake freaking out over a sneaker lace and you get whipped up into a frenzy.

it's not hilarious, you are a vile racist bottom feeder

The thing with empathy is that it doesn't take intelligence or education to be empathetic towards someone else's hardships. Empathy is a choice. You choose to stick up for people you perceive as being alike to you in terms of background, race, values, etc. People who are unlike you, you couldn't give a fuck. You generalize them, you dismiss their feelings and their experiences, and you belittle them. You are a disgusting garbage human being and a plague on society

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:18 PM

Rbg smokes a bowl at night.

You are drinking yourself to death
There is no comparison.. If you want a burnout loser try attacking me with the pothead thing.

Took, you're too easy of a target brother:rofl:

Elphenor

10-08-2017, 09:18 PM

fuzzy the punching bag with trump's face taped on

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:18 PM

Oh no, I'm shaking in my boots

Uh it was a joke. you really thought that was for real brah?

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:22 PM

Took, you're too easy of a target brother:rofl:

Aren't you the one fighting half a dozen people in this thread?

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:22 PM

too bad it's not possible to hit someone hard enough to knock the douchebaggery out of them

This is another problem with Democrats that Bill Maher has brought up... Democrats disagree with someone and their first idea is always to result to violence. It's the way of a simpleton.

Keep in mind, I always identified with Democratic politics growing up but the party has absolutely lost me. It's quite a shift that now the Republicans are the party of common sense... Sooner or later you're gonna be raging against anyone who wants to treat themselves to a Big-Gulp because of the poor obese people:rofl:

Rairun

10-08-2017, 09:24 PM

Fuzzy, I'm not here to fight you, but you really do come across as a moron with no empathy.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:25 PM

Aren't you the one fighting half a dozen people in this thread?

Dude you were like one of the biggest pot advocates here, calling you a stoner would be too easy :p

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:27 PM

Fuzzy I am here to fight you because you come across as a drunk oaf with no empathy.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:28 PM

Fuzzy, I'm not here to fight you, but you really do come across as a moron with no empathy.

You guys are projecting all this awful stuff on me just because I simply point out that there's a growing movement of these coddled ultra sensitive adults... God forbid any of these people ever face a real problem in their lives.

This is another problem with Democrats that Bill Maher has brought up... Democrats disagree with someone and their first idea is always to result to violence. It's the way of a simpleton.

Keep in mind, I always identified with Democratic politics growing up but the party has absolutely lost me. It's quite a shift that now the Republicans are the party of common sense... Sooner or later you're gonna be raging against anyone who wants to treat themselves to a Big-Gulp because of the poor obese people:rofl:

keep drinking dumbass, it only becomes harder to take you seriously as you say continually more outlandish shit

You guys are projecting all this awful stuff on me just because I simply point out that there's a growing movement of these coddled ultra sensitive adults... God forbid any of these people ever face a real problem in their lives.

no, the problem really is you. It's not everyone else on this board. It's you.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:31 PM

Fuzzy I am here to fight you because you come across as a drunk oaf with no empathy.

Ahh Took, we're one and the same in most ways man. I'm simply commenting on a very real shift in our culture and it has nothing to do with being racist or any of the other dog-whistles that RBG shrieks about. A little school-yard bullying is now grounds for a prison sentence... It's absurd.

I'm all for progress when it comes to real issues, but so many of these snowflakes are actively looking for things to be offended about. Jerry Seinfeld won't even play college campuses anymore for crying out loud. This isn't just me talking nonsense.

It's good you've come to your senses and all, but for years your whole shtick was the mega stoner guy.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:33 PM

Yeah this is pointless. It's fun for him.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:35 PM

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fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:35 PM

no, the problem really is you. It's not everyone else on this board. It's you.

Whatever the case may be, our difference in politics shouldn't be cause for this kind of vitriol between us.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 09:36 PM

Ahh Took, we're one in the same in most ways man. I'm simply commenting on a very real shift in our culture and it has nothing to do with being racist or any of the other dog-whistles that RBG shrieks about. A little school-yard bullying is now grounds for a prison sentence... It's absurd.

Shrieks? Prison?

You're the one hyperbolizing this "very real shift" making it seem like treating someone who isn't a white male like a human being is a frightening prospect, and yet here you are, the one coming unhinged in this thread.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:36 PM

fuck you fuzzy. it's not a "political difference," you're just a scumbag racist

It just blows my mind that you can read about someone - a person just like you and me - who was terrified enough to mistake a shoelace for a noose, and then have the reaction that you did. There was no moral outrage over a shoelace. No one was punished. Someone got scared because she lives in an environment where terrible things have happened to people just like her.

Be thankful you have no reasons to be afraid, and grow a heart.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:36 PM

Poor obese people

lets talk about this phrase. what exactly do you mean by this? You used the word poor facetiously didn't you? Like it's their own fault right?

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:37 PM

Yeah this is pointless. It's fun for him.

I'm bored man... We need Trotsky back. He was thought provoking when he went off on tirades. RBG's just weaksauce...

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:38 PM

I'm bored man... We need Trotsky back. He was thought provoking when he went off on tirades. RBG's just weaksauce...

It just blows my mind that you can read about someone - a person just like you and me - who was terrified enough to mistake a shoelace for a noose, and then have the reaction that you did. There was no moral outrage over a shoelace. No one was punished. Someone got scared because she lives in an environment where terrible things have happened to people just like her.

Be thankful you have no reasons to be afraid, and grow a heart.

Yeah, a little dinky shoelace hanging on a door to the stairs... That must have been really scary experience for the adult.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:39 PM

Fuzzy everywhere I have gone I have encountered different forms of racism. but one form is universal: hatred of blacks.

context motherfucker. look it up.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:40 PM

Lynching used to be an established part of this countrys culture. you need to shut the fuck up.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 09:41 PM

Yeah, a little dinky shoelace hanging on a door to the stairs... That must have been really scary experience for the adult.

JUST A LITTLE SCHOOL YARD BULLYING.

JUST A LITTLE DINKY SHOELACE HANGING ON A DOOR TO THE STAIRS.

Microaggressions are nonsense!

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:42 PM

Shrieks? Prison?

You're the one hyperbolizing this "very real shift" making it seem like treating someone who isn't a white male like a human being is a frightening prospect, and yet here you are, the one coming unhinged in this thread.

I never said anything about white male... This is the problem with our culture... You guys are making all these leaps and bounds when there's no reason to.

I've been a member of this community for over 10 years and have never said anything that could even resemble racism, meanwhile for you there's all sorts of racist and misogynistic things from your mouth that are saved and documented... So maybe you ought to take a look in the mirror.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:43 PM

Yeah, a little dinky shoelace hanging on a door to the stairs... That must have been really scary experience for the adult.

there are people alive today we can REMEMBER the lynchings of black americans that used to be endemic across this country. and since your lord and savior white supremacist dickbag in chief won last year, nooses have been found on many campuses in threats against black students.

you have no fucking heart. I don't know why you think it's funny or amusing to make these things into jokes, but you're just a fucking monster I guess.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:45 PM

I've been a member of this community for over 10 years and have never said anything that could even resemble racism

everyone here disagrees. you are the only person here who thinks you are not a racist

but yeah the problem is literally everyone else, not you

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:45 PM

No he is depressed and can't get laid (like me) so he attacks people online (like me) but rarely apologizes (unlike me).

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:45 PM

Fuzzy everywhere I have gone I have encountered different forms of racism. but one form is universal: hatred of blacks.

context motherfucker. look it up.

Dude I'm not arguing anything against that. What the heck are you even talking about? Racisms a very real problem. But we cannot correlate racism with a major university going into a full on frenzy because of a dropped shoelace being picked up and placed on a doorway to a set of stairs.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:46 PM

That was in reference to the fuzzys a monster ccomment

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:48 PM

No he is depressed and can't get laid (like me) so he attacks people online (like me) but rarely apologizes (unlike me).

I think he probably tells himself that he says the racially inflammatory stuff as a joke, or to let off steam or something, but it's obviously an outlet to say how he really feels. No one walks around all day making racist and otherwise incendiary, outrageous, and offensive comments and doesn't mean it. There is a reason he can't stop.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:50 PM

You're nuts man... The story I mentioned has gone viral and the consensus is that the whole "ordeal" was ridiculous... It's not some extreme viewpoint that I'm taking dawg.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:51 PM

You're nuts man... The story I mentioned has gone viral and the consensus is that the whole "ordeal" was ridiculous... It's not some extreme viewpoint or something dawg.

ah yes, the consensus of sites fuzzy visits on the internet, the highest bar of them all

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:52 PM

I hope not.

Fuzzy the shoelace was packaged in a way that resembled a noose. So people freaked out aboiut nothing. .So what? Isn't it a good thing to be overly careful about racism? After everything that has been done and is being done and will be done to ppl of darker skin?

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 09:55 PM

and it's already been pointed out at least twice that nooses have been showing up on campuses all across the US as threats against black students, so it is entirely plausible and not in any way far-fetched to come to that conclusion when people who look like you are HAVING THEIR LIVES THREATENED for the way you look

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 09:58 PM

So what what? It's mass hysteria over nothing. People are just so desperate to find an offense when there is none. That's all I was saying.

It was like when Steve Martin got viciously attacked for saying that Carrie Fisher was beautiful "How dare you comment on her looks you misogynistic piece of shit" I mean come on man...

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 09:59 PM

Mass hysteria? I thought you just said the general consensus was that it was nothing

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:00 PM

and it's already been pointed out at least twice that nooses have been showing up on campuses all across the US as threats against black students, so it is entirely plausible and not in any way far-fetched to come to that conclusion when people who look like you are HAVING THEIR LIVES THREATENED for the way you look

There's a difference between an industrial rope tied into a noose and hung on someones door than a tiny little shoelace being draped over a random door to a stairway.... IT WASN'T EVEN ON HER OWN DOOR... Hellllllllllo!?!? Why is this hard for you to gather?.... If it was on her own door I'd be a little more able to understand the paranoia.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:03 PM

There's a difference between an industrial rope tied into a noose and hung on someones door than a tiny little shoelace being draped over a random door to a stairway.... IT WASN'T EVEN ON HER OWN DOOR... Hellllllllllo!?!? Why is this hard for you to gather?.... If it was on her own door I'd be a little more able to understand the paranoia.

Yeah I mean if you'd been persecuted and had ancestors hanged for looking at white women I'm sure you'd have the same perspective on this little dinky string.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:05 PM

But perspective doesn't enter into it when you're the one saying microaggressions don't exist because as a white male obviously you have no clue they even exist! It's just a string!

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:06 PM

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scott • 2 days ago

Unopened package of shoelaces...Jesus H. Christ !! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE ??? They see racism EVERYWHERE...sad.

Erick568 • 2 days ago

I wonder how many students and professors ran to their safe rooms over this?

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LoonyLeftiesLie • 3 days ago

A shoelace has become a trigger.
But there's something I cannot figger...
These kids go to college,
But where is their knowledge?

ReciprocityNOW • 3 days ago

Gee, what kind of education are these... Umm, students getting if they can't tell a shoe string from a noose... Face Palm!

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NotaU.S.Leech • 3 days ago

Don't forget Sarah Silverman who saw a swastika on the street only to find out it was a spray paint prep marking by construction workers that in her mind looked like the nazi symbol. Tards

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:06 PM

Gonna log onto my internet tonight and show those snowflakes some perspective on this whole race non-issue.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:07 PM

This ones my favorite:

Robert Haltiwanger • 3 days ago

I am waiting for one of these snowflakes to report that someone is following them and it turns out to be their shadow.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 10:07 PM

fuzzy do you feel good being such a shit person? you feel good about yourself being total trash?

cause you can be an alcoholic and still be a good person. you can be a gambling addict fuck up and still be a good person. but you choose, on top of those things working against your favor, to act like a fucking racist dick all the time. I have to assume you enjoy being a piece of shit

teh b0lly!!1

10-08-2017, 10:09 PM

this back and forth and back and forth is so depressing

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:09 PM

Ugh I can't believe the main character in this Star Wars movie is black/female!

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:11 PM

***a random shoelace draped over a random door to a set of stairs*** "OH MY GOD!!! IT'S A FUCKING NOOSEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! WHOEVER PLACED IT THERE MUST HAVE KNOWN I'D SEE IT!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONES GONNA KILL MEEEEEEEEEE"

all joking aside, I think you guys are misunderstanding a major point of mine. I'm not even really ridiculing the student, I'm ridiculing the ridiculous response taken by the University.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:11 PM

I love that fuzzy thought it'd be a great idea to come in here and showcase his white fragility in full glory.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:12 PM

***a random shoelace draped over a random door to a set of stairs*** "OH MY GOD!!! IT'S A FUCKING NOOSEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! WHOEVER PLACED IT THERE MUST HAVE KNOWN I'D SEE IT!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONES GONNA KILL MEEEEEEEEEE"

all joking aside, I think you guys are misunderstanding a major point of mine. I'm not even really ridiculing the student, I'm ridiculing the ridiculous response taken by the University.

I liked your original post more. It was twice is pathetic.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:16 PM

This is pointless. And it is fun for him.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:16 PM

Some of you guys in here need to toughen up a bit... If you guys are this sensitive, lifes gonna give you a helluva hard time and then spit you out.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:18 PM

See?

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:18 PM

He's having a blast.

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:19 PM

When I lash out I really lose it. That doesn't make it better. But it does make it less worse.

You are using hatred to amuse yourself. Fuck you.

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 10:20 PM

Some of you guys in here need to toughen up a bit... If you guys are this sensitive, lifes gonna give you a helluva hard time and then spit you out.

and yet everyone here is doing better than you

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:21 PM

Does fuzzy get paid by the hour? If he does I don't want to hear any more burned out loser shit.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:25 PM

To be perfectly honest I'm a little surprised how that all spiraled outta control... I thought it was worth sharing because it tied into what Slunken was talking about the other day... The whole situation with people getting offended over something that isn't intended to be offensive thing.

But hey, I'm done... I don't have a racist bone in my body and now this has shifted into some sort of racist witch hunt, so I really have nothing left to contribute on that regard because we're on the same page there.

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:25 PM

and yet everyone here is doing better than you

You live with your mommy.

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:25 PM

If you have to say you're not a racist...

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:28 PM

What's the deal with people and these racist witch-hunts. I've been here 10 years and I've never said anything racist... I do recall you've been known to throw around the N word though, so where do you get off accusing me of such a thing?

fuzzyroes

10-08-2017, 10:29 PM

fuck, you guys are getting me pissed off now.

I'm gonna step away for awhile.

Peace guys

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:29 PM

Racist witch-hunts

LOL

spare teh racists!!

FoolofaTook

10-08-2017, 10:30 PM

fuck, you guys are getting me pissed off now.

I'm gonna step away for awhile.

Peace guys

Man-up, bitch!

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:35 PM

I wish this were true.

But hey, I'm done...

duovamp

10-08-2017, 10:35 PM

fuck, you guys are getting me pissed off now.

I'm gonna step away for awhile.

Peace guys

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buzzard

10-08-2017, 10:35 PM

What's the deal with people and these racist witch-hunts. I've been here 10 years and I've never said anything racist...

did you know that most indian women as they reach their senior years can grow full-on mostaches and beards if they don't attend to grooming?Honestly, most adult Indian woman can grow full-on long flowing facial hair. It's a carefully guarded secret that even the oppressed woman make sure to take care of.I do mean Indian people as in people who or who's ancestors originated in India... Not native Indians.Seriously man... Those people sprout body hair like it's going out of style

Hmm...

redbreegull

10-08-2017, 10:35 PM

I'm gonna step away for awhile.

yeah you do that chief

Shallowed

10-08-2017, 10:38 PM

Shut the fuck up fuzzy

reprise85

10-08-2017, 10:38 PM

You guys are projecting all this awful stuff on me just because I simply point out that there's a growing movement of these coddled ultra sensitive adults... God forbid any of these people ever face a real problem in their lives.