Originally posted by gandhi
Did the guy above me say he hopes this comes to America? Obviously not thinking before speaking...

Yeah you have the crazy, or truly sincere people trying to make predictions. Even more trying to make money off it. But, that's the cost of the
complexities of freedom. Don't trade it for the simplicity of rules and regulations, please.

"Those who trade freedom for security are both ignorant and deserve neither"

Actually its:

"Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve niether and will lose both."

Originally posted by xavi1000
Finnaly fines for prophets and good law ..... just hit them in the pocket ...i hope this law will be implemented in US soon

OMG! Really? Just because someone "predicts" something doesn't give anyone the right to fine them! If you don't believe the person, then ignore
them. For those people that choose to drop everything and build shelters, that is their own decision. No one else has any right to cause any kind of
punishment for making predictions, just like you wouldn't have any right to fine those that say nothing will happen. That is also a prediction.

It's just like watching TV, if you don't like what they are saying/showing, change the dang channel.

edit on 29-4-2011 by CuriousEnigma
because: Added quote that I meant to reply to.

What security ? Why are you mixing things ? This law is good ... We have science and scientists which is their job to warn us if Nibiru,Elenin, or
some other crap that will put us in the danger. Or you think every scientist is goverment cover up agent.Nobody can predict exact time ,
location and strentgh of quakes till now ,especially not some blogger who thinks he is a God and scaring ordinary people and messing up with their
lifes.Just hit them in the pocket .

Lol.

If I wanted to make predictions that's my decision. If someone wanted to follow my predictions that's their decision. It is not the place of the US
government to decide who gets to make predictions and who does not. Spirituality falls under religious freedom, and our right to speak our mind
regarding prophecies is protected by the 1st amendment.

Like many wise people have stated, we would not need freedom of speech if we all agreed with one another. Its only when someone disagrees with you
and wants to shut you up that you need some medium to protect your right to speak your mind.

What security ? Why are you mixing things ? This law is good ... We have science and scientists which is their job to warn us if Nibiru,Elenin, or
some other crap that will put us in the danger. Or you think every scientist is goverment cover up agent.Nobody can predict exact time , location and
strentgh of quakes till now ,especially not some blogger who thinks he is a God and scaring ordinary people and messing up with their lifes.Just hit
them in the pocket .

So if one of these scientists differs from the others in his opinion of how far Elenin will miss by and says it will pass real close to, say Utah,
causing mass panic and evacuations, he should be arrested as a criminal? Will there then be a show trial where he is accused of being a terrorist?
Will other show trials follow? Will TPTB and the NWO/One World Government have an excuse to increase internet surveillance, censorship, and ultimately
control of the www, to "avoid panic"? Will we all be black listed as collaborators? Will ATS and the like be closed down and the owners accused of
all sorts of (cough) nonsense? Will all the prophecies of Nostradamus be banned? Will the Holy Bible be edited and re-written, removing all
prophecies? How far could this go?

People died in their thousands in WW1 and WW2 to preserve freedom and democracy, and whilst I personally despise the many false prophets that preach
disaster they have a right to express themselves freely while we have a right to listen to them or to ignore them. Legislation will just cost more
money and go snafu.

So you defend shouting "fire" in the crowded room then - after all it's only everyone's personal decision to panic and run for the
exits?

Hey, look at me! i r using flame faces too lol

i r so angry

But no, I do not find running into a crowded room and shouting "fire" amusing...unless of course there actually were a fire. In that case I would find
it necessary. You are getting "predictions" and "trouble-making" mixed up. Allow me to fill your mind with knowledge since you seem to be lacking an
understanding of basic definitions:

mis·chief (mschf)
n.
1. Behavior that causes discomfiture or annoyance in another: Shouting FIRE in a crowded room
2. An inclination or tendency to play pranks or cause embarrassment.
3. One that causes minor trouble or disturbance: The child was a mischief in school.
4. Damage, destruction, or injury caused by a specific person or thing: The broken window was the mischief of vandals.
5. The state or quality of being mischievous.

Please read the definitions slowly so you don't over-exert yourself.

Human beings generally make predictions as a forecast of something to come. Whether a person believes that it comes from God, aliens, or
psychic phenomenon is irrelevant as we are protected by the 1st amendment. The only reason someone would want to have people who make predictions
fined is because they are donkeys who cant handle the fact that not everyone believes the same things they do.

Originally posted by schuyler
And, of course, I never said that. You'd be hard pressed to prove anyone who started a thread here was looked at seriously in the first place. What I
am saying is that if someone announces a prophecy and people suffer damage because of it, they can be held liable. I am NOT saying we ought to make
another law against false prohecies. I AM saying if you do so, you can be held liable. Civil Court would be the way to do it.

And, of course, I never said that you said that.

What you are suggesting is that a ''prophet'' should be punished, not because of his words, but because of the reaction of people beyond his
control to those words.

This is pandering to people with a lack of personal responsibility.

Originally posted by schuyler
For example, if my spouse became enamored with your "teachings" and you predicted the end of the world, and as a result she killed herself, thus
leaving me to raise the children alone, And, of course, your prophecy did not come true, then I have grounds to sue you This done all the time. It is
not unusual.

And why wouldn't that be entirely your spouse's problem for believing the words of a charlatan ?

No-one is forcing anybody to believe anything.

Originally posted by schuyler
Or, if I'm not prone to court suits, I might just take you out, and that would be the basis of my defense.

I hope you could afford a good lawyer, because you'd need one if that was your defence !

Originally posted by schuyler
I see no reason whatsoever that you should not be held responsible for the results of your actions. That is just so basic as to be fundamental and
certainly as self-evident as the 'pursuit of happiness.'

And if somebody is gullible enough to sell all of their possessions and head to the hills because of what this ''Wang'' says, then they should be
held responsible for their own actions.

He shouldn't be fined just because some people are highly impressionable.

How about if I ran into a room shouting "there's going to be a fire in 30 seconds - the boiler is going to blow up, you all have to get out
NOW!!"

that's a prediction too.....

Just trying to gauge what your limits are....

With rights come responsibility. If someone were being mischievous with their predictions simply to incite panic, then those people should be
responsible for the individuals and property that they harmed.

There are many mediums for making predictions, some prefer certain methods over others. You can use science, psychic abilities, shamanism, religious
incites, even dreams. If someone comes to a revelation they should have the freedom to share it. It seems to me that the OP wants to fine people for
making predictions simply because he/she disagrees with their belief systems.

Also, who would get to decide what medium is Ok to use to make predictions and who decides who gets fined? No matter who is making the decision, and
no matter what the decision is...its going to be biased.

We have seen many predictions on ATS, and I generally take them all with a grain of salt. I've never once read a prediction on here and felt that
someone was "screaming fire in a crowded theater."

Sometime I believe that freedom of speech is a bad thing. Imagine if there where "prophets" prophesizing about quakes and death all the time and
people believed them, what can you do? Do as they say until the we find out the truth or ignore them and wait?

Signs, if the event is to be as bad as the prophet has predicted, then there wont be anyone around to fine him, that much is clear. People will be
far to busy drowning, mourning the loss of thier entire environment as well as thier families, friends, and culture. The point therefore, is moot.
There are , what, nine days to go before the deadline? Some say you shouldnt be harsh about this fool until he is proven wrong. In this instance, and
any instance of fortune telling, you SHOULD call bunk until there is proof.
Making an outrageous claim should force a person to provide outrageous proofs, and this idiot has done nothing but stir people into a frenzy using
thier own fear.

So you defend shouting "fire" in the crowded room then - after all it's only everyone's personal decision to panic and run for the exits?

if someone yelled fire in a theatre and I saw no smoke or fire, i would not run. if you are too stupid to think for yourself, that's your problem.
and how often does this actually happen, that we need laws against it? when was the last time you stopped yourself from killing someone ONLY because
it was against the law?

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