and that to discoveringoflawsofnature, you were getting closer to the old one, as he called them. >> here is a quote from the ew york times" speech. quote, i assert that the cosmic religious experience is the strongest and noblist driving force behind scientific research. he did not believe in a personal god. >> no, he did not believe in prayer. >> he did not? >> no. he did not believe. >> this is a diaistic god? >> it goes beyond, because it's a force. >> yes. >> he thinks -- that gave him -- he condemned anyone who said he was an atheist, correct? >> right, because he thought the root of religion and science was curiosity about the world beyond the human sphere. >> there's another scientist who was a judge, his name was tahad who was a paleontologist. he got under the nerves of his superiors when he lived in paris and they sent him to china. he had, i'm not saying he didn't think of god at personal terms, but he had a cosmic sense of god. and he wrote almost cosmic poetry, if you will about that. >> he was very popular in my youth and i don't hear much about him anymore. >> the last pe