It's one thing to be low enough to promote something that is harming people just because it puts lots of money in your pocket,but entirely another to be so inconsiderate as to attack people with horrible visual complications who were sucked in by the lies of an industry of greed.
Hopefully,that special place in hell has plenty of vacancies.

I find this letter from Glen Hagele to Sandy to be nothing short of reprehensible. As a licensed physician, I believe that ASCRS should be informed about the ABUSIVE behavior of this man who claims to represent the standards of excellence within their refractive surgery subspecialty.

In my opinion, Glen Hagele has done a great disservice to ASCRS by publishing this letter in a public newgroup like Google. His treatment of Sandy is very consistent with what so many post refractives with complications have reported experiencing from their own surgeons and from the industry itself. I think Hagele's comments make it much easier for a naive individual to believe that people who experience serious problems after elective refractive surgery are frequently abandoned by an industry that minimizes their problems, blames the patient, and abandons the inflicted.

_________________I swore a Hippocratic Oath to "Do No Harm." I don't know what refractive surgeons did!

Shocking, isn't it? Last week Glenn threatened a lawsuit against 3 female patients for defamation. Each of these 3 females, all of whom are permanently visually impaired by LASIK, have been the target of his attacks. He even went so far as to imply on the alt-lasik-eyes newsgroup that two of the women are whores (he didn't use the word "whores", but said it rhymes with "boars").

_________________Bill

"What concerns me is that if the person informing the patient is themselves poorly or inaccurately informed then how on earth can consent ever be truly informed?" Dr. Sarah Smith

You could start with a letter (the address is provided below), and also try the website to see if there is a way to file a complaint online. Please share your complaint in the CRSQA section of this forum!

American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery4000 Legato Road, Suite 850, Fairfax, VA 22033; http://www.ascrs.orgThe ASCRS works to raise the standards and skills of anterior segment surgeons through clinical and practice management education. The Society also works with patients, government and the medical community to promote delivery of quality eye care.

Find one post. ONE. One post where I say my life is shattered, was shattered, was partially shattered. Find a post where I am complaining about my vision. Please, Glenn, find one. When asked, I have presented facts about how I see, but I have never complained.

I have said over and over and over again on this newsgroup that I feel lucky, blessed, happy that I ended up here, where I am, with my vision. I never thought I'd be able to see 20/15 through a melted, thinned, scarred, hazed up and wrinkled cornea with a stop-start ridge in it. Well, I can. I thank God constantly for the vision I now have, because I can hardly believe that I escaped without a transplant, at least so far.

I am not a whiner. Find a post where I have whined about my vision. Why would I risk a transplant when I can see? Dr. Rabinowitz told me that when I am ready to risk the immediate need for a transplant, it would be worth trying custom ablation. Fat chance, as long as a contact lens will correct my vision.

My sympathies are not for myself--they are with my friends who are not having any success regaining their vision after botched LASIK with top, and yes, even CRSQA-certified surgeons. Multiple transplants. Months of waiting. Still no correctable vision, even with hard contacts. What is going to happen to these people? Two doctors, out of work, practices gone. A mom who will likely lose her driver's license soon when she has to try to read the chart at the DMV. People who can no longer work. People who cannot talk about what lasik did to them without breaking down and crying--even men.

Did you know that I had to intervene on the part of a LASIK patient who was going to commit suicide the next day and arrange to get her on a plane to California within 12 hours in order to save her life? I paid for her airfare, a cornea transplant, strabismus surgery and doctor visits, glasses, etc. because her LASIK "doctor" would not take responsibility for how he had butchered her vision and she had no medical insurance.

In the end, SE members reimbursed a big chunk of what I paid out, because we are a family, more than you could ever understand. We are left to pick up the pieces of each other's lives because the doctors are too busy lasering more eyes and attending seminars on how to avoid malpractice lawsuits.

YOU HAVE NO CLUE, GLENN, how LASIK has shattered lives.

The biggest hell I went through was not with my vision. It was discovering the betrayal by a trusted doctor. A doctor who sold me to the highest bidder. A doctor who had a financial interest in determining where to refer me, and in telling me what a great candidate I was. Women who've been raped said they understand how I must feel---women who've contacted me via this newsgroup. I'm not sure about that, but whatever I went through, I've emerged on the other side and I want the world to know what I have learned. The information is out there, but I didn't know to look for it. I will continue to post articles, studies, case reports, etc. to my heart's content and I don't care what you say about me, because I do not like you. Your opinion of me means nothing to me.

Life is too short to waste talking any further to the likes of you. Talk about me all you want. It actually serves no purpose other than to make you look ugly. You are lower than low. I have nothing else to say to you. Ever.

To my horror...after reading the above, this is how a supposed "patient advocate" treats a hurt lasik patient? IF I was a CRSQA Doctor, I sure would be concerned about what Glenn Hagele is doing to damage my reputation...Is Glenn Hagele helping or hurting the Lasik Industry?

CRSQA DOCTORS:

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO READ THE BELOW...YOU SHOULD BE INFORMED OF WHAT YOUR LEADER, GLENN HAGELE, IS SAYING AND DOING TO HURT LASIK PATIENTS, BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING HIM...AND HE SEEMS TO APPEAR TO BE CREATING AND ANSWERING HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF NEGATIVE BLOGS REGARDING LASIK, AND HE HAS BEEN FOUND TO CONTINUALLY HARASS HURT LASIK PATIENTS...

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU? IT IS MAKING YOU LOOK BAD AND HE COULD BE RUINING EACH OF YOUR REPUTATIONS...IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE BELOW, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A 'HEART TO HEART' TALK WITH GLENN HAGELE:

ARE THESE THE 'INFAMOUS CRSQA DOCTORS'???? IF SO, HAVE THESE GUYS EVEN FIGURED OUT YET THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEIR REPUTATION THANKS TO GLENN HAGELE AND USAYES?

Lasik Doctor Kent Kirk (isn't this guy the one on the video on YOUTUBE.com telling how great the statistics were about Alcon, i think many people lost a lot of credibility for this guy, as in our opinions...he seemed to be lying through his eyes)

Lasik Doctor Lasik Doctor Robert Lin
Lasik Doctor Richard Lindstrom

Lasik Doctor Robert Maloney (isn't this the guy that just did lasik on Kristen from Laguna Beach, who is like 20 years old...can you believe a doctor would do that for publicity??? she's a kid, and who can say if her eyes are stable and he just did lasik on her for probably what...exposure??...very sick, two words: DEEPLY DISTURBING!!)

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