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Flo The Action wrote:Wow, is that the best buffalo could get for Skinner? Lots of pieces but they’d been better off with one or two solid pieces.

Do you mean the best Carolina could get? I personally thought this was highway robbery. Mid-level prospect and late draft picks? Good for Buffalo. Let's also not lose sight of the fact they have three 1st rd picks this year so giving up a 2nd was a non issue.

Flo The Action

Flo The Action wrote:Wow, is that the best buffalo could get for Skinner? Lots of pieces but they’d been better off with one or two solid pieces.

Do you mean the best Carolina could get? I personally thought this was highway robbery. Mid-level prospect and late draft picks? Good for Buffalo. Let's also not lose sight of the fact they have three 1st rd picks this year so giving up a 2nd was a non issue.

Flo The Action

I think that’s. A good deal. Even if he scores only 15 goals next year it can be seen as a reward for last year. It’s a prove it to me again deal. They have plenty of cap. Let’s see if he can score 30.

Flo The Action

Gibson signs for 8 years at just over 6 and a quarter. Don’t know if I like it. He’s young and he’s been really good as a starter but 8 years is a long time for a goalie. At least it’s not stupid money like Carey price, it’s still a lot.

wprager

Buffalo was the first team ever to place 31st worst. That team lost Lehner, Kane and O'Reilly and added Dahlin and Skinner. Is that about it?

Eichel is still injury prone and -- from what I've seen so far -- really immature, 100% diva and a really bad leader. Dahlin will not be a taller, more-physical Erik Karlsson this season. Much more likely is that he will *never* be anything close to Karlsson.

I don't really see Buffalo being a lot better than last year. If their goaltending holds up and Eichel stays healthy, then maybe, but while the Sens hold on to Karlsson/Stone/Duchene I still think they will be better than Barfalo.

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Flo The Action

wprager wrote:Buffalo was the first team ever to place 31st worst. That team lost Lehner, Kane and O'Reilly and added Dahlin and Skinner. Is that about it?

Eichel is still injury prone and -- from what I've seen so far -- really immature, 100% diva and a really bad leader. Dahlin will not be a taller, more-physical Erik Karlsson this season. Much more likely is that he will *never* be anything close to Karlsson.

I don't really see Buffalo being a lot better than last year. If their goaltending holds up and Eichel stays healthy, then maybe, but while the Sens hold on to Karlsson/Stone/Duchene I still think they will be better than Barfalo.

You’re also forgetting they will have a full year of Casey mittelstad who will likely be a second line guy as well as additions of Sobotka, berglund and Connor sherry who might be a 20 goal guy.

Id say you’re short selling Buffalo quite a bit. I can’t see how the sens are better than buffalo.

tim1_2

Flo The Action wrote:Gibson signs for 8 years at just over 6 and a quarter. Don’t know if I like it. He’s young and he’s been really good as a starter but 8 years is a long time for a goalie. At least it’s not stupid money like Carey price, it’s still a lot.

tim1_2

wprager wrote:Rangers backed up the truck for Lundqvist, Habs got Price. Meantime the Blackhawks won with Niemi and Huet, and Penguins won with a rookie.

Long term goalie contacts have rarely worked out.

Bobrovsky is entering the last year of his $7.4M/year deal. What do you do with that guy? He's had great regular seasons (last season was a little worse than his normal, but still good), but hasn't been as good in the playoffs, granted, his teams seem to always enter as the underdog.

How about you trade him to Ottawa and let him become our problem? Thanks.

DefenceWinsChampionships

It's tough. These guys play 60 minutes a game for 60+ games a year and are expected to perform at 100% every night. Other players play 20-25 minutes, often less, and can be hot or cold. The marginal difference between a 'good' goalie and a 'bad' goalie isn't much but one or two saves a game can be the difference between missing the playoffs and being cup contenders. There's also a mental toughness that you need to be an effective goalie. I think they got the Gibson AAV right, but I don't think goalies should be signed to the full 8 years. Teams would be better off with 4-5 year deals but a good goalie has a ton of leverage in negotiating their contracts. There are so few of them out there.

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In hindsight the Anderson deal isn't bad. The problem is he's well past his prime and they signed him too early in the season. That said, had they waited until the end of the season he may have walked to free agency given his trade request.

Flo The Action

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:In hindsight the Anderson deal isn't bad. The problem is he's well past his prime and they signed him too early in the season. That said, had they waited until the end of the season he may have walked to free agency given his trade request.

That might have been best.time will tell.

All I know is Anderson asking for a trade is a little weird. After how the org has treated him...

tim1_2

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:In hindsight the Anderson deal isn't bad. The problem is he's well past his prime and they signed him too early in the season. That said, had they waited until the end of the season he may have walked to free agency given his trade request.

It's very hard to tell what a goalie's "prime" is. I think it's varies from player to player. You can't say Anderson is "well past his prime" given that just over a year ago he was fantastic. This past season was an absolute disaster for the entire team.

wprager

It depends a lot on the goalie's style. Lundqvist plays deep in his crease and banks on his athleticism and quick reaction times. I think we've seen the best of King Henrik. Anderson plays best with he is aggressive and uses proper positioning to cut the angles. He will slow down but, perhaps, not as quickly.

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tim1_2

wprager wrote:It depends a lot on the goalie's style. Lundqvist plays deep in his crease and banks on his athleticism and quick reaction times. I think we've seen the best of King Henrik. Anderson plays best with he is aggressive and uses proper positioning to cut the angles. He will slow down but, perhaps, not as quickly.

Like I said, it varies from goalie to goalie. Hasek was a pretty athletic goalie, and he was great into his 40s in the NHL.