Actually, personal advocacy is an amazingly useful skill that many people never seem to learn regardless of position. Being able to say "no" and not feeling bad about it is a hallmark of good health and boundaries...not to mention greatly reduces the likelihood of the horny old guy int he office assaulting you.

Nidiot:Myk Ox: Probably get what most gold diggers get and deserve. The fancy car, nice house, attractive husband and depressing sex life.

Gold diggers and their partners are usually a perfect match. It's not like J. Howard Marshall was with Anna Nicole Smith because they had so much in common. Men who enjoy commodifying women should be grateful some women are happy with the idea of turning relationships into transactions, otherwise they'd have to settle for women who equal them in the age and looks department.

True. if you are dumb enough to think that a twenty something loves you in your 40's/50's, then you deserve to get your wallet cleaned out.

stay within 10 years of your age. anything more is risky and a great foundation for future troubles.

1. Be attractive2. Don't be unattractive3. Horny older men are not attractive

Caveat: Some women find that the 'curvature of a fat wallet' can mitigate the lack of appeal a wrinkly old backside has. These women are known as "gold diggers" and you should be very grateful they exist, since these women will let your money grant you the access to the youthful body that you desire.

Heh, you'd be surprised. They're often seen as easy and desperate by sleazes, and fugly sleazes always consider hot women "coonts" and "biatches" anyway. Abusers love to harass the shiat out of fugly and curvy girls too, and the sad part is, they're more likely to give in thanks to growing up with that shiat.

gadian:Actually, personal advocacy is an amazingly useful skill that many people never seem to learn regardless of position. Being able to say "no" and not feeling bad about it is a hallmark of good health and boundaries...not to mention greatly reduces the likelihood of the horny old guy int he office assaulting you.

Of course, personal agency has been systematically bred out of girls for most of history, and certain classes of overbearing or neglectful parents do it to boys too. Your life can be turned upside down if you try to upset a traditional culture on your own, and leaving often isn't much better. I feel angry when people tell crazy stories and mention "beta-ing out" or giving in, as much toward their upbringing as the upbringing of the assholes they interact with.

/Humanity is just dildos.//Raise your kids strong and respectful, folks. We're all counting on you.

SueDisco:ongbok: And you don't think that young men, or men in general, have to deal with the same crap from horny women in the office.

I had a really, REALLY attractive male roommate who lived with me his first year or so post college. After being screwed in the 2000 Enron/dot.com bust, he finally started a real, professional job about a year after graduation after having worked a variety of part-time gigs to make ends meet. He ended up lodging sexual harassment complaints against some of the women he worked with. He tried REALLY hard to be taken seriously but the women he worked with kept saying stuff like "Why don't you jump out of my cake next week...my birthday is Thursday" and singing "bow chica wow wow" when he'd walk into a room. I felt for him because he was honestly SO pretty that he'd been dealing with that forever and all he wanted was a real job and the feeling of being a real adult for once in his life.

Granted, it was hard to hear his complaints and not laugh a bit. I also wanted to tell him to chuck his "real job" goals and just become a model for a while, but when I thought about what it would be like to be in his position in the workplace, it wasn't so funny anymore.

I hate women like that, really, just because some men traditionally act like douchebags doesn't mean you should lower your standards to their level in order to be equal. Apparently everyone needs to lift their game in the workplace, regardless of gender.

ongbok:And you don't think that young men, or men in general, have to deal with the same crap from horny women in the office.

I had a really, REALLY attractive male roommate who lived with me his first year or so post college. After being screwed in the 2000 Enron/dot.com bust, he finally started a real, professional job about a year after graduation after having worked a variety of part-time gigs to make ends meet. He ended up lodging sexual harassment complaints against some of the women he worked with. He tried REALLY hard to be taken seriously but the women he worked with kept saying stuff like "Why don't you jump out of my cake next week...my birthday is Thursday" and singing "bow chica wow wow" when he'd walk into a room. I felt for him because he was honestly SO pretty that he'd been dealing with that forever and all he wanted was a real job and the feeling of being a real adult for once in his life.

Granted, it was hard to hear his complaints and not laugh a bit. I also wanted to tell him to chuck his "real job" goals and just become a model for a while, but when I thought about what it would be like to be in his position in the workplace, it wasn't so funny anymore.

Myk Ox:Probably get what most gold diggers get and deserve. The fancy car, nice house, attractive husband and depressing sex life.

Gold diggers and their partners are usually a perfect match. It's not like J. Howard Marshall was with Anna Nicole Smith because they had so much in common. Men who enjoy commodifying women should be grateful some women are happy with the idea of turning relationships into transactions, otherwise they'd have to settle for women who equal them in the age and looks department.

very true. having 7 orgasms in one night will only get you so far. and it certainly won't make a relationship last. and it can set the stage for a ring blowout. scary stuff. one of those brought the space shuttle down.

Graffito:Mugato: ongbok: And you don't think that young men, or men in general, have to deal with the same crap from horny women in the office.

I did when I was a software developer, big time but I never clutched my peals over it, found it funny. I guess that's a double standard, guys think it's funny, women go to court, no matter what the seniority involved.

Or maybe it's not the same thing.

Funny how some things are allowed to be double standards and some aren't. Well not funny, obvious.

gadian:Actually, personal advocacy is an amazingly useful skill that many people never seem to learn regardless of position. Being able to say "no" and not feeling bad about it is a hallmark of good health and boundaries...not to mention greatly reduces the likelihood of the horny old guy int he office assaulting you.

that horny old guy with enough wealth will get a 'yes'. nothing spreads legs faster than wealth. that's Capitalism.

Smeggy Smurf:Heh, when I was working an entry level printing job back in '95 I had to fend off the overt sexual advances of a fugly older broad that was desperate to get young dick.

Her way of introducing herself the first day I worked there was "You, me, a bottle of wine and a hottub". My dick shriveled up, hid up behind my sternum and didn't come back out for 3 weeks. I tell you, that broad was fugly. The patron saint of fugly you might say.

yea? you forgot one thing...........your dick has only one eye and it doesn't see very well.

ongbok:And you don't think that young men, or men in general, have to deal with the same crap from horny women in the office.

I did when I was a software developer, big time but I never clutched my peals over it, found it funny. I guess that's a double standard, guys think it's funny, women go to court, no matter what the seniority involved.

phaseolus:If anyone tried that with my daughter, I have no doubt she'd inflict severe physical pain before quitting the job on the spot. I don't need to feign any tough guy dad attitudes to strangers on the internet, because any potential perp has a hell of a lot more to fear from her than he would from me. She's got a helpful, friendly temperament that serves her well in the crappy service jobs that young people usually get, but when she needs to she can instantly turn on a toughness that signals that she's not going to be anyone's victim.

Anyway, her workplace is fine. All she's had to put up with so far is that one car theft.

The point is, she shouldn't have to quit. Somebody shouldn't have to leave a job just so they won't have to tolerate behavior from coworkers or customers who don't even have the impulse control of a toddler.

ongbok:And you don't think that young men, or men in general, have to deal with the same crap from horny women in the office.

CSB:

When I was twenty, my first boss was a thirty ish, baby crazy and single woman. She kept trying to get me to hang out with her. Unluckily for her, I was dating a 25 year old philipino gal I had met in class earlier that year.

/ don't date philipino women; if they think that you're cheating on them; they may try to cut your wiener off; would not recommend

IN my late 50's I'm probably creepy enough to young girls.Fortunate for me, I''m not bugging my doctor for testosterone pills.Why do I need to feel like taking risks, spending money I can't afford, and acting like an asshole?Sure, they might be eyecandy for a moment, but let me tell you, I can to the calculus in my head.She's under 30, so you know she's still got all kinds of adolescent nuts in her head.She's probably chock full of STDs.She is 89% for sure going to bat her eyes at you and try to get you to switch shifts to please her lifestyle.She is 40% assuredly going to quit, get knocked up, or leave, but you know when she gets married, she's going to hit everyone up with a hat pass, then quit, or stick around if the haul was good, and pass the hat for the pending kid, take a maternity leave, come back for a week, and quit.She is a time bomb waiting for a HR trainwreck. . 10% chance.So I give a wide berth, treat like my sister. And mentor a lot.Also, if they show up on my doorstep after they quit, That's my business.

If anyone tried that with my daughter, I have no doubt she'd inflict severe physical pain before quitting the job on the spot. I don't need to feign any tough guy dad attitudes to strangers on the internet, because any potential perp has a hell of a lot more to fear from her than he would from me. She's got a helpful, friendly temperament that serves her well in the crappy service jobs that young people usually get, but when she needs to she can instantly turn on a toughness that signals that she's not going to be anyone's victim.

Anyway, her workplace is fine. All she's had to put up with so far is that one car theft.