Dec. 30, 2018
08:03 am JST

Dec. 30, 2018
08:09 am JST

How can he blame the Democrats, and not Mexico? He said Mexico would pay for the wall, and now they are refusing. Mexico is spitting in the face of America, letting America take the blame for these kids deaths. If Mexico just paid for the wall like Trump said they would, this problem would go away.

Righties - why is Trump so weak kneed when it comes to Mexico? And why are you guys so weak on Trump for being weak on Mexico?

Dec. 30, 2018
08:50 am JST

U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday blamed opposition Democrats for the death of two immigrant children in U.S. custody, comments set to heighten tensions as the second week of a government shutdown began over his demands for a border wall.

Dec. 30, 2018
09:37 am JST

I agree, but more importantly, I blame the parents, that’s where the majority of the blame should lay even though it’s unintentional. He should have known the possible risks of taken on this monumental and perilous journey to try and illegally get into the US.

Dec. 30, 2018
09:56 am JST

I never would have imagined that a pathological lack of empathy would be considered a positive attribute for an American president or that a third of my fellow countrymen would prefer an unfeeling sociopath as their leader. But I guess it only looks this way to those of us who still see migrant children or bombed out wedding parties as human. Discard such antiquated notions and you too can get behind Trump.

And yes, I know many US politicians have governed with the same mindset for decades--chattel slavery, nukes, napalm, internment--but at least they dressed it up in banal Christian platitudes or Cold War rhetoric. The mask is now off and what's been revealed is ghastly.

Dec. 30, 2018
10:15 am JST

For a straight-talking, no-nonsense alpha male, Trump does seem to whine, deflect and avoid responsibility quite a lot.

He’s uncannily similar to the types the right hate so much.

They have whined about responsibility and personal responsibility for years, yet they take zero responsibility for the mess they've created through the election of someone clearly unqualified right from his campaign announcement, nor has he taken any personal responsibility.

Dec. 30, 2018
10:37 am JST

Dec. 30, 2018
10:56 am JST

This will end soon. Rep Sheila Jackson has proposed a user fee for remittances to foreign countries. It is a great idea and Trump can use that money for boarder security. It is a great idea and will let the Democrats take the high ground in the battle. It is nothing more than a user fee and Democrats love those. So it should be a win-win for everyone.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:15 am JST

Trump is a spineless coward, and as we've found out, even a bonespurless coward. He cannot take responsibility except for fictional things that he has never done that he claims are amazing and positive. When it's facts, always someone else's fault.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:21 am JST

Trump is a spineless coward, and as we've found out, even a bonespurless coward. He cannot take responsibility except for fictional things that he has never done that he claims are amazing and positive. When it's facts, always someone else's fault.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:37 am JST

Dec. 30, 2018
11:46 am JST

Bass: I love your comments, as all the liberals on here lose their minds. Ha.

So it's that fault of the President for wanting to protect the US from illegal immigration? You mean the secure fence act that people like Schumer voted for in 2006? While not as grand as what Trump is wanting, Dems were on board then. But they understand that a wall now would mean a political victory for Trump, the nation be damned.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/democrats-support-border-wall/

The 2006 proposal that was passed but was not as grand was still the same thought: get a handle on illegal immigration. Now? Democratic political grandstanding.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:52 am JST

So it's that fault of the President for wanting to protect the US from illegal immigration?

Literally no one has criticized the president for wanting to protect the US from illegal immigration. No one.

You mean the secure fence act that people like Schumer voted for in 2006?

If he meant that, it would mean he is twisting reality by claiming the Democrats were for a wall. The secure fence act is not a wall. And it goes to support the fact that Schumer has been firm on immigration for at least 12 years, and that the Democrats are still firm on immigration now. The idea that Democrats are for open borders is just a lie that the right-wing MSM deep-state fake-news bubble is throwing around as a talking point.

While not as grand as what Trump is wanting, Dems were on board then.

And still are. They were ready to sign a bill that put $1.3 billion towards border security, until Trump had his hissy fit.

They understand that a wall now would mean a political victory for Trump, the nation be damned.

It would be a political scam by Trump, since he said the Mexicans would pay for it.

Can you tell me Mr. The Sicilian, why do you suppose Trump is so weak on Mexico? They are straight up dissing him, and therefore America and every Trump supporter out there, by refusing to pay for the wall even though Trump said they would? Mr. Sicilian, why do you suppose the Republican party is so weak about Trump being weak on Mexico? Why, Mr. Sicilian, do you think they are ok sitting there for the world to see with spittle on their faces, and not even wiping it off? I thought they liked presidents who were tough, and yet even though the president is being weak for everyone to see, they are ok with it. Why do you suppose that is Mr. The Sicilian?

Dec. 30, 2018
11:55 am JST

Democrats for 13 years: Put money and efforts towards protecting the border. Obama deports more illegals than any president ever.

Democrats in 2018: Continue supporting the protection of the border with $1.3 billion dollars.

Republicans:

THEY WANT OPEN BORDERS

These people are literally complete and utter morons. They are now even posting evidence that shows how the Democrats have been consistent on this matter for over a decade, and yet continue to repeat their delusion.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:57 am JST

Trump hasn't been able to fill more than half of his cabinet positions because the Democrats wont vote. This raises the question do people hate Trump or Obama? half the government is staffed by Obama appointees. This partial shut down could easily have been caused by Obama staffers since they comprise half of the federal government leadership.

As I posted earlier REP Sheila Jackson of Texas ahs proposed a solution to the problem. Tax the Mexicans when they send money out of the country. I am sure all remittances will be taxed to be inclusive. Use that money to build a wall and enforce immigration laws. Jackson understand the national debt is high and that a new tax on people who don't pay any taxes and use public benefits very heavily is a great way to end this partial shut down

Dec. 30, 2018
11:59 am JST

Doesn't matter, people get threatened all the time, if we let everyone that would be threatened our population would exceed China. You can’t let everyone is that thinks they have the right which they don’t and if they want to come, then they have to follow the basic rule of law and come in legally.

Sigh. Once again the conversation falls apart due to your inability to remember what we were talking about beyond a single post.

Dec. 30, 2018
12:00 pm JST

Actually, Stranger, Trump was able to get a newer version of NAFTA through. And got Mexico and (begrudgingly) Canada to agree. Better trade. Much more important than Trump bloviating about Mexico paying for the wall. It's a statement he should have followed through on, but didn't. That is a bad thing.

While I really cringe everytime he gets on Twitter, his unconventional way of getting things done is getting things done. I'm definitely not in 100% agreement with his methods, but wether the left likes it or not, trade issues are coming around to being more equitable for the USA.

Dec. 30, 2018
12:01 pm JST

This partial shut down could easily have been caused by Obama staffers since they comprise half of the federal government leadership.

Nope:

"If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength."

"when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."

“FACT – the reason why Americans have to worry about a government shutdown is because Obama refuses to pass a budget.”

Dec. 30, 2018
12:05 pm JST

So it's that fault of the President for wanting to protect the US from illegal immigration? You mean the secure fence act that people like Schumer voted for in 2006? While not as grand as what Trump is wanting, Dems were on board then. But they understand that a wall now would mean a political victory for Trump, the nation be damned.

Exactly, Democrats could care less about the issue of border security, they wanted it, mindbots like Schumer, Clinton and Obama deeply supported it and now the same hypocrites call it, immoral, a stain on our values as to who we are. They claim and whine constantly they are for secure borders and yet, not a single bozo will explain or even expand on as to what that means. But yes, the nation and borders be damned if it means giving Trump a victory lap. You just have to look towards LA and SF to see how their policies of governing when it comes to sanctuary cities and dealing with illegals and the growing homeless population.

Dec. 30, 2018
12:17 pm JST

@bas4 Democrats could care less about the issue of border security,

Total fabrication. Maybe the most dangerous part of the Trump era is Trump's ability to convince some in his base that the world is made up of poles, only the extremes, nothing in the middle, that there's no gray on the scale, only black and white.

Dec. 30, 2018
12:19 pm JST

Dec. 30, 2018
12:20 pm JST

So Trump says that the kid died and it's the Dems fault. I don't agree with that, but the blame should be with the parent of said child. Mexico offered asylum to anyone who wanted to stay in their southern most states. Visas, education, medical care, and jobs. And the language is very similar. But the people CHOSE to go much further north.

Dec. 30, 2018
12:24 pm JST

I'm waiting for a certain poster to trot out a personal anecdote that is obviously a lie to support their position, but it hasn't happened yet. Of course, givevit enough time and I'll get that lie because that poster simply cannot help himself. ROFL! Smh. Lol!

Dec. 30, 2018
12:51 pm JST

The parents work for CBP? This is news. You're one of those that blames an inmate for dying because of the negligence of the authorities detaining the inmate. Sound logic.

Um, no. The inmate is at fault because they committed a crime. So do something bad, receive bad prizes. Not too hard to figure out. Go with the caravan through Mexico, where the locals will offer asylum and everything to settle your family and reject it? See above about the prizes.

Dec. 30, 2018
02:28 pm JST

Dec. 30, 2018
02:49 pm JST

It’s sad this is even a political issue. If the child was given proper care after being taken into custody, then there is no problem, regardless of political affiliation. If the child was not given proper care, then there should be a problem, regardless of political affiliation. Unfortunately we aren’t given enough information to determine if the child received appropriate care after being taken into custody.

Dec. 30, 2018
03:29 pm JST

We received all the information from CBP and the result was that the father declined treatment the final time. But it’s Trump and it ruins your narratives so people pretend we didn’t get the information we actually were given or claim it’s obviously a lie.

Unfortunately we aren’t given enough information to determine if the child received appropriate care after being taken into custody.

Dec. 30, 2018
03:31 pm JST

......Schumer has been firm on immigration for at least 12 years, and that the Democrats are still firm on immigration now.....

They are now even posting evidence that shows how the Democrats have been consistent on this matter for over a decade, and yet continue to repeat their delusion.

Strangerland, let's get serious. Democrats overwhelmingly supported border security in 2006, when they were trying to retake the House, but after they took over government they showed they didn't mean what they promised because they never funded it and had every opportunity to do so! Yes, that's real consistency.

Dec. 30, 2018
03:32 pm JST

Dec. 30, 2018
03:33 pm JST

The argument is quite logical as well as very political.

The problem that caused the death was the massive influx of unexpected but well organized doubtful asylum seeking people that brought children as a "tool", an "excuse" to be granted entry into the US knowing that once entered they could be denied but could remain in the US even if illegally. To make matters worse the actual "actions" taken by the group was attempting "illegal" and "forced" entry.

Idealistic and theoretical arguments aside, there are laws and procedures handling asylum seekers and immigrants at the borders. There are limits as to the ability to handle those that try to enter without proper and prior applications. There are also limits as to the number of immigrants allowed to enter each year. And that entire process takes a very long time. The only groups that can bypass the wait are asylum seekers, birthers and illegals.

If the current group had not been so massive opportunistic group and made a political and idealistic value issue that particular child may not have come, may not have been so stressed and illness aggravated, or may have had a better environment while being processed so he could have been attended to.

Politically the Democratic party "encouraged" the group to proceed even knowing that they would be stopped at the border by necessity. They could have encouraged the group to come "legally" and in better conditions, especially knowing the number of children and families involved. Instead they "fought" and argued against discouraging the group. They fought to stop changing the laws that are causing such massive immigration attempts. That family may not have tried to enter at such an aggravated time.

In that sense, they the Democrats have to share and bear the burden of the tragedy.

Dec. 30, 2018
05:36 pm JST

"Any deaths of children or others at the Border are strictly the fault of the Democrats and their pathetic immigration policies that allow people to make the long trek thinking they can enter our country illegally. They can't."

Not true, some of them make it across, as shown by the two children who died in U.S. custody. They were almost dead when they arrived. That being said, yes, if we had a decent wall, there's a good chance the attempt to enter illegally would not have been made and the children would still be alive.

Chip Star: "It won't be long before idiotic Trump supporters are here"

Out of all 50 states, the state of California has been ranked as the worst state for business for 12 years in a row

.3. California has the highest state income tax rates in the entire nation. For many Americans, the difference between what you would have to pay if you lived in California and what you would have to pay if you lived in Texas could literally buy a car every single year.

Thanks to unchecked illegal immigration, crime is on the rise in many California cities. The drug war that has been raging for years in Mexico is increasingly spilling over the border, and many families have moved out of the state for this reason alone

California has some of the most ridiculous housing prices in the entire country. Due to a lack of affordable housing, rents have soared to wild extremes in San Francisco, where one poor engineer was actually paying $1,400 a month to live in a closet.

Also, California’s middle class has been hollowed. A recent CNBC headline read: "Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers." Where are they going? Many have left for low tax states offering more jobs than California.

They have been replaced by those taking advantage of California’s magnet government policies, which increase California’s long-term spending needs. For those that remain, according to Smartasset.com "California has the highest debt-to-income ratio in the country.”

Little wonder, the demographer Joel Kotkin concluded that “the state is run for the very rich, the very poor, and the public employees.” It is also how California found itself with the worst poverty problem and why “California ranks dead last among U.S. states in quality of life, according to a study by U.S. News.”

All of which brings us to the number one reason California is not sustainable.

California may have higher income tax, but Texas has high property taxes. Swings and roundabouts.

We also have no State income tax, bigger gardens, bigger homes, less congested neighborhoods, less crime as compared to California, PC not running amok. Less crime, cleaner air. If you are a rich millennial and paying taxes is not a problem and you can afford anything and you love how Californians are slowly embracing the socialist life then California is definitely for you.

Dec. 30, 2018
10:07 pm JST

Very much written for those who like to read partisan material. It reads like Hannity with a few more IQ points.

The ‘climate conscious’ reference was comical.

You need a more varied media diet. This kind of stuff, along with Fox, rots the brain.

Terrible.

Not at all, the socialist ruining California are rotting thr brain in the most abhorrent way. Yes, we know liberals believe only liberal sources, no wonder why a lot of conservatives are leaving that Marxist State, can’t say I blame them. Pelosi, Newsom, homelessness everywhere, entitlements galore. I mean, what’s not to love about California?

Dec. 30, 2018
10:44 pm JST

It’s not a Democratic State anymore either, it’s a socialist entitlements paradise.

That will raise the IQ of California. No wonder why many of the world’s leading innovators are still in California. If these liberal innovators leave, that could be a real problem.

Foreigners trying to tell me about the politics of my own State, too funny. But if a conservative does the same to Europeans, it’s, you don’t know what you’re talking. ROFL! But here is the kicker, all of these creators, innovators, millennials that live in giant homes and can buy anything don’t want any illegals living near them, they want their votes, they raise the price of their communities, they despise the homeless, but getting votes is for them the only thing that counts, other than that, you’re not welcomed in my neighborhood. The middle class is leaving California and the smart millennial’s will have to stay all to themselves, while the import thousands of illegals they can’t even speak English or want to assimilate.

Dec. 30, 2018
10:44 pm JST

Bass, Cali is a great place if you have a degree in tech or something valuable to one of the worlds largest companies that resides there. You will make a killing.

If you’re a middle aged man with a high school education and 6th grade grammar skills (just picking a random example), the better option would be a $12/hour call center job in Texas with $400 rent on your apartment.

Stop hating on success. If you had worked harder then maybe California would still be an option for you. But don’t hate on the hard working, successful people who can afford rent there.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:15 pm JST

Cali is a great place if you have a degree in tech or something valuable to one of the worlds largest companies that resides there. You will make a killing.

Not everyone wants to get into the tech industry, has the talent or even has a degree.

If you’re a middle aged man with a high school education and 6th grade grammar skills (just picking a random example), the better option would be a $12/hour call center job in Texas with $400 rent on your apartment.

But if you are a middle aged man in his mid-40s with a masters degree or doctorate degree, you can still get a ranch bigger than most homes in California with an even bigger garden with less crime, less in paying taxes end it totally and completely better lifestyle

Stop hating on success. If you had worked harder then maybe California would still be an option for you. But don’t hate on the hard working, successful people who can afford rent there.

I don’t hate on success, I’m a capitalist and I love success, but that doesn’t dismiss the fact that California generally speaking for the middle class is going down and has been going down for a number of years and is being replaced by a population of people that don’t have the skill sets to compete with the people that have left the state, No, I’m not saying these people are not important in the agriculture section, but in the high tech or medical or law, if these people don’t have the skill sets to meet any of these demands.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:17 pm JST

I was observing that California isn't a Marxist state and has lots of the world's innovators who seem to be overwhelmingly liberal.

I’m sorry you have been observing California in a wrong light, it is definitely on the verge of becoming a Marxist state, you literally can’t do anything what you want, and it makes sense everything is regulated so It doesreminds you of Communist Russia.

These are factual statements. You seem to be posting fake news

I’m sorry, that’s not my style, I leave that for CNN and msnbc to do that

Dec. 30, 2018
11:32 pm JST

Bass: But if you are a middle aged man in his mid-40s with a masters degree or doctorate degree, you can still get a ranch bigger than most homes in California with an even bigger garden with less crime, less in paying taxes end it totally and completely better lifestyle

Then leave. California will remain the economic powerhouse that it is either way. Go to a place where the GOP has rolled back environmental regulations and raise your family there. Much cheaper land and no oceans cutting off cheap housing. You said college is a scam so they will have plenty of jobs for your non-college educated children and you can cheer the lack of workers rights.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:33 pm JST

Dec. 30, 2018
11:38 pm JST

I’m sorry you have been observing California in a wrong light, it is definitely on the verge of becoming a Marxist state

You wrote it is a Marxist state. That's fake news.

everything is regulated so it does remind you of communist Russia

It sounds to me like a place where the talented and industrious can earn great money. It sounds like the less talented and industrious can't earn enough to live there. I don't think that's a good thing, but it certainly doesn't remind me of the USSR which was notorious in its early stages for punishing the talented and the industrious.

You can argue that too much regulation is a bad thing, but comparing it to the USSR is mindless partisanship. It was like the time I read a post comparing Bernie Sanders to Josef Stalin. That was idiotic partisan gibberish.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:51 pm JST

Then leave.

I did.

California will remain the economic powerhouse that it is either way.

And a growing slum that is on the rise as well.

Go to a place where the GOP has rolled back environmental regulations and raise your family there. Much cheaper land and no oceans cutting off cheap housing. You said college is a scam so they will have plenty of jobs for your non-college educated children and you can cheer the lack of workers rights.

Uhm.....I don’t know about you, but the US is a big country and I can send my kids to ANY university, so many options.

Dec. 30, 2018
11:53 pm JST

You wrote it is a Marxist state. That's fake news.

No, I don’t believe so.

It sounds to me like a place where the talented and industrious can earn great money. It sounds like the less talented and industrious can't earn enough to live there. I don't think that's a good thing.

Now that’s my exact point.

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You can argue that too much regulation is a bad thing, but comparing it to the USSR is mindless partisanship. It was like the time I read a post comparing Bernie Sanders to Josef Stalin. That was idiotic partisan gibberish.

Dec. 31, 2018
12:07 am JST

Well then that’s probably the difference. California, with evironmental protections and taxes, is affordable to those with degrees and skills in the new economy. For non-college educated older men, it probably looks impossible.

Now that you’ve left, time to move on with your life? I hope you find peace someday in the future, but for now it seems Cali is an incredible source of frustration and bitterness for you.

Dec. 31, 2018
12:33 am JST

Oakland, South Central and Compton.

Again, Cal vs. Texas Cal overall beats Texas

I go by places like Oakland, South Central and Compton.

Then don't go there. Why go to a place that is a dump. And why complain about it here? I only go to nice places when I go to California and I love it. Overall California beats Texas. I love California. It's my great homestate I am proud of.

Dec. 31, 2018
01:08 am JST

Dec. 31, 2018
01:14 am JST

It's not directly Trump's fault and it sure as hell isn't the dems as he's trying to divide this country. It does fall on those responsible for the child's care while under their jurisdiction. But to be honest, if the children who died were sick while on the way to the US, there is no guarantee that anyone could have done anything if it was too late.

Dec. 31, 2018
01:25 am JST

Dec. 31, 2018
02:10 am JST

Are Democrats really for border security? Oh my...

They are. They just know about ladders and how they have always worked. Also shovels. Remember that Reagan (a Republican) gave away 3M green cards to illegals. Did Presidents Obama or Hillary every did that? No and now that illegal immigration is increasing under Trump how can it be President Hillary's fault? Please explain! Also, 5 billion for border security? That's all Trump wants? Seriously???

Dec. 31, 2018
02:13 am JST

What is not being talked about is the fact that Mexico offered asylum to this caravan of people, but they turned it down. That is where the fault lies in any instance of any imigrant trying to enter the US illegally, they had an opportunity to have visas, work permits, education, and medical care. But no, they believed the rhetoric coming from those in the US that are in favor of allowing uncheck immigration, legality be damned.

Do it right, do it legally, and all is good. Do it illegally by storming the border and overwhelming the immigration authorities and you may see more tragic results.

I do agree with Strangerland above where he states that we have limited information about the child who died. Not enough is known to judge if there was culpability with the authorities at the border, but if that family chose to stay in Southern Mexico with asylum granted (which is the case), this would not have happened.

Dec. 31, 2018
12:05 pm JST

Dec. 31, 2018
09:40 pm JST

If the USA had border security, nobody would be attempting to cross the desert and no parent would send their kids.

Parents are responsible for their children before anyone else. This parent made a deadly choice.

Bodies are found in the southwestern US border areas all the time because the illegal crossing people underestimated the dangers. As long as that part of the border is porous, people will continue to die there. Who is at fault for that? All Americans.

Jan. 1, 2019
01:07 am JST

The parents of the deceased children omitted they were sick prior to illegally entering the U.S. The fault belongs to both parties for failing to address the outdated Immigration Laws for the past 20yrs, not just the Democrats although their the primary cause at present. When face with an eminent problem — Action is mandatory !