I know I'm not really qualified to be commenting on this list since I'm not a huge metal fan, but I've got a question for the true metal heads: Is Led Zeppelin really considered a "metal" band? People question Aerosmith's inclusion, but I've heard more harder stuff from them than from Plant's crew. I never listened to a lot of Led Zeppelin, granted, because I've always thought they were overrated and pretentious, but I admit their popularity. But I have never considered them to be "heavy metal." Rock, certainly. Hard rock, probably. But heavy metal? And will I be visited by heavy metal ninja assassins for questioning the sheer awesomeness of the Zep?

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Led Zeppelin could probably be best categorized as hard rock. (As would IRON BUTTERFLY but perhaps not their contemporaries like JEFFERSON AIRPLANE or WOMB.) If you read the intro pasted onto the article it's obvious the compiler of the list is vaguely aware of the various categories and distinctions but is beyond clueless. I give him kudos for trying to cover up his ignorance but to equate Punk with Heavy Metal is beyond innane.

Punk had it's own range and it crossed over into the harder rock side, but I don't think anyone that actually knows the music would confuse 45 GRAVE, SKINNY PUPPY, the DEAD KENNEDY'S or DEVO for heavy metal bands. Granted some 80s bands were borderline, like SAINT VITUS or BLACK FLAG, but what about SUICIDAL TENDANCIES? Skater punk, yes. Heavy Metal, not really.

One distinguishing factor of Metal bands, especially circa the 80s, was their names. I could give you a list of random bands and I bet you could tell me 9 times out of ten which were metal bands. For instance which of the following would you say are Metal bands. . .

I read the article and the comments after the article, and I agree with the assessment that the list writer is a poser. My "complaint" (too strong a word, but the right word escapes me at the moment) is that, in the comments, people cried foul when he included Aerosmith, Rush, Jimi Hendrix, etc., but no one mentioned that LZ was not a metal band. I guess it's my personal vendetta against Plant & co. to point out stuff like this. The list is pretty meaningless to me as I have only listened extensively to a handful of the bands on the list. It is just mildly irksome to me that drivel like "Stairway to Heaven" gets so revered while songs that actually have a meaning get overlooked, and that LZ can do no wrong in the minds of so many. I realize it's a taste issue, but I've just never understood LZ's appeal. I guess it's just one more area where I don't fit in...

And not to cause too much of a ruckus, but I do own both of Spinal Tap's albums. I realize they are a "fictional" band, but they at least did write/record their own music. Which is more than you can say for some hugely successful acts, including several that were no less manufactured than Spinal Tap (New Kids, The Monkees, etc.).

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Wikipedia has what appears to be an excellent etymology of the term "heavy metal." Chas Chandler, a former manager of The Jimi Hendrix Experience, claimed in a 1995 interview to have invented the term (as it applies to rock music). This is unsubstantiated.

However, it is documented that "Rolling Stones" critic Mike Saunders used the term in 1970. Specifically, I guess the first use was in his review of the band "Humble Pie," and the term apparently was VERY uncomplementary whenever Saunders used it.

The article goes on to say that the term was generally viewed as interchangeable with Hard Rock throughout the 70's, and that may specifically be why so many bands (Aerosmith, Led Zep, etc) that we NOW don't really consider Metal wear the label.

The list is pretty meaningless to me as I have only listened extensively to a handful of the bands on the list.

I don't know specifically what bands on that list you ARE familiar with, but I will say that with your love of literature, if you haven't given (older) Iron Maiden a listen, you are missing out.

"Rime of the Ancient Mariner" springs to mind as an excellent adaption of 'classical' poetry into metal.

Actually, Black Sabbath was good at this as well. A lot of Sabbath is blasted for it's dark, satanic undertones, but I think it was Geezer Butler who pointed out that in their songs, the 'evil' tone was never glorified or praised. It was always to set a tone of fear or terror, and to stand in contrast to good, purity and lightness.

There is MUCH in metal that is pure poetry set to music. Metallica's "One" also comes to mind, and there are many, many other examples.

The Yahoo list is metal seen from a "popular culture" lens; true lovers of metal see much more.

There is MUCH in metal that is pure poetry set to music. Metallica's "One" also comes to mind, and there are many, many other examples.

The stuff before "And Justice For All" was even better writing wise. A few were based on Lovecraft tales. Metal isn't always about spraining your neck headbanging at a concert although sadly many metal heads (especially younger ones) may not get some of the lyrics.

Led Zeppelin - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Van Halen - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Jimi Hendrix - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Aerosmith - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Deep Purple - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Spinal Tap - Never really heard thier stuff.Rush - Are you serious????? Did this person run with sissors?Alice In Chains - Good "Hard Rock" group, does not belong with "Heavy Metal".Uriah Heep - Never really heard their stuff.

The other bands/persons, Meshuggah, Mercyful Fate, Pantera, Thin Lizzy, Kyuss, Guns 'N' Roses, Kiss, Dio, Robin Trower, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Metallica, AC/DC and Black Sabbath should be on this list. This person, I believe, does not listen to that much music. What about bands like Motley Crue, Anthrax, Ozzy Ozbourne, Accept and Grim Reaper to name a few. I do not know where he got his information but I think that some one else needs to conduct this survey. Just my 2 cents. I would put more time and effort in this, but the family thing is calling me away.

Later,

John

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This list is pointless, someone will just do another in a year's time and it will be totally different and just as stupid.

Heavy Metal has so many off-shoots and sub-genre's you can't really compile a list like this, plus the person who made this list is utterly clueless, half the bands aren't actually "heavy metal" at all.

Eveyone who enjoys this type of music would have their own list and it all creates silly debates that lead to arguing.

I will state this though, ANY "heavy metal" list must always have Judas Priest & Black Sabbath at the top!