Spectropop - Digest Number 672

From:Spectropop Group

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002

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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: A Christmas Gift For You & BAD music
From: James Botticelli
2. Re: Donna Lynn's "Ronnie"
From: Tom
3. Re: Welcome Artie Wayne
From: Mikey
4. Bands doing Levi's radio ads
From: Stephen M.H. Braitman
5. Re: Then He Kissed Me - official!
From: Paul Underwood
6. Re: A Christmas Gift......no, not that one!
From: Simon White
7. Re: Artie Wayne (& an unwanted gift)
From: Mick Patrick
8. Re: A Christmas Gift for You
From: Paul Woods
9. The Northern Soul Show on Soul 24-7
From: Simon White
10. Re: Mark Wirtz stuff
From: Mark Frumento
11. Re: 12 strings / Jim Bacchus
From: Bill George
12. Re: Gamma Goochee
From: Gary
13. Re: Delicious / Gamma Goochee
From: Phil Milstein
14. Re: 3000 Miles
From: Artie Wayne
15. Re: Welcome, Artie Wayne
From: Harry Young
16. Re: Phil's Christmas Album / Petula Clark
From: Stuffed Animal
17. Chattahoochee Records
From: Jason
18. Re: 3000 Miles
From: Mikey
19. Re: Caroline Munro
From: Mark Wirtz
20. Re: A Christmas Gift / Gamma Goochee
From: Guy Lawrence
21. Re: A Christmas Gift...
From: David Young
22. Dixie Cups question
From: David Young
23. Re: Bands doing Levi's radio ads
From: James Botticelli
24. Quiz
From: Dan Hughes
25. Caroline Munro - Tar And Cement
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:42:16 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift For You & BAD music
Jan Kristensen:
> "bad" rcords are a blessing after listening to more serious stuff.
I never let serouusness and meaning interfere with understanding. Thanks
for joining the process!~~!
Mikey wrote:
> But to me, that WIDE stereo really kicks on the ("Christmas Gift") LP.
Not to dis the god known as PHIL SPECTOR, but when does mono EVER trump
GOOD stereo? (answers please?)
JB/Rhetorically Yours
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:27:59 -0000
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Donna Lynn's "Ronnie"
I'm a big fan of Donna Lynn but I find it very hard to find her
recordings. I enjoyed "That's Me, I'm the Brother" on Musica and
I was wondering if it would be possible to post the a-side "Ronnie"
as well. I'd really love to hear it. Oh, by the way, Rachel
Sweet's "Silver Bells", also currently on Musica, is one of my
favourite pseudo-Spector tracks of all-time. It rocks! Thanks,
Tom
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:41:35 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Welcome Artie Wayne
>>>>Hey, Brian Hyland's "3,0000 Miles" is one of my FAVORITE songs!!!
Welcome Artie Wayne!!!!
Mikey
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:44:18 -0800
From: Stephen M.H. Braitman
Subject: Bands doing Levi's radio ads
How about bands who did Levi's commercials? There was a 10" LP with
Jefferson Airplane and Sopwith Camel. The Airplane cuts also came out
as a 7" EP. Both extremely rare items!
Anybody know any other bands who did this sort of thing?
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:47:36 +0100
From: Paul Underwood
Subject: Re: Then He Kissed Me - official!
Phil Chapman wrote:
> After suggesting we ask another musician on the session, I took
> a look at Carol Kaye's website and spotted "Then He Kissed Me"
> in the list of bass playing credits. Carol is busy preparing her
> new book & CD but is always enthusiastic to discuss technique.
> I sent her an mp3 of the intro
Good work, Phil. I always thought the intro of "Then he kissed me"
had one of the most amazing sounds I'd ever heard. Listening to it
over and over, it resounds almost like a rubber band: do you think
the strings could have been tuned down, or would that have been too
complicated with a 12 string? And would it have been Carol Kaye on
"Rudolph" which almost sounds like a different instrument?
Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:43:52 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift......no, not that one!
Phil Chapman wrote:
> But for me the main turn-off is the vocals themselves, which are
> drenched in reverb. Either this was their idea of the Spector vocal
> sound, or more likely to mask the fact that (I suspect) it's the same
> girl singing all the cuts, even the Bobby Sheen leads. I might hazard
> a guess that this is the very versatile Marsha Raven, who sang on an
> earlier incarnation of the same idea by 'The Jingle Belles'.
Time is a cruel mistress. I bumped into Miss Raven about six months ago.
If this discussion were not so seasonal, I could have asked her then. If
only it had been an Easter album. What label is this seemingly essential
cd on?
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:05:54 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Artie Wayne (& an unwanted gift)
Artie Wayne:
> Mick....Thanks for the welcome.....please call me Artie. Yes..I'm
> that Artie Wayne. I co-wrote " You Should've Told Me" by the
> Angels with Ellie Greenwich and Danny Jordan [of the Detergents].
> Ellie did a piano voice demo on it....I wish I had a copy of it!!
Hi Artie, I love that sweet Angels record. Did you attend the
session? Did you write any other songs with Ellie? How did you find
her? Was she really as adorable as everyone says? When did you last
see her? By the way, many of Ellie's original song demos are
available on a bootleg CD. Sadly, "You Should Have Told Me" is not
included.
I read a few years back of the passing of your most frequent
songwriting partner Ben Raleigh. Too bad. Am I correct in assuming
he was somewhat older than many of his collaborators? A Brill
Building father figure, perhaps?
Phil Chapman on the soundalike "Christmas Gift" CD:
> All the tracks are played/programmed on synthesisers and samplers,
> which cheapens it somewhat.
How pleased I am to see you write these words. I do have a taste for
electronically generated music - see that pile of Eno LPs over there?
- but, real music by real musicians on real instruments PLEEEEEEEZE!
The mere thought of this CD makes me wanna gag!
> I hate to be so hard on this album, but I feel it is a disingenuous
> attempt to exploit the demand for the unavailable original,
Hmmmm, "A Christmas Gift" has to be one of THE most re-issued albums
of ALL TIME. Scads of copies of the US Abkco CD version clog up the
racks in the big London stores every year. Admittedly, they are a bit
pricey. Personally, I'll stick with my white label Philles promo copy.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:28:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift for You
Guy wrote:
> At this time of year the Spectropopper's mind naturally turns to
> "that" Christmas album ...I will keep an eye on the availability of
> the official version this year and keep you posted.
I can confirm that it was freely available again in Bristol yesterday,
in the excellent Imperial Music shop, right up front of the new release
rack. Did my heart good to see it! 8-)=
Paul Woods
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:26:14 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: The Northern Soul Show on Soul 24-7
This Sunday 17 November on Soul 24-7 7pm-9pm GMT:
http://www.soul24-7.com/index.htm The Metropolitan Soul Show
2 hours of Northern and Sixties Soul
This week - The Utterly Marvellous Simon White
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:40:35 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz stuff
Martin Roberts:
> Talking of Mark...this month's MOJO has a small piece on Caroline
> Munro....Hopefully she is known and loved on this site not for
> her striking 'hits' but for a terrific 'miss', "Tar And Cement".
I really like that track but Mark asked me to leave it off the
Anthology. He feels it is substandard. If this is the case why is it
that I can't get it out of my head!? It'll be interesting to hear
Mark's comments but I believe that if Cream played on the record it
would have been the B-side. I've heard that Jimmy Page played on the
record.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:06:34 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: 12 strings / Jim Bacchus
I have the Jim Bacchus single with Delicious/I Need A Vacation. Delicious
is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Vacation isn't nearly as
funny to me. Just Jim repeating that he needs a vacation. Hopefully
someone else has already responded about this who can play it to musica. I
haven't been able to work that out yet.
Phil Chapman:
> The point I was really trying to make was that the 'invention' of the
> electric 12-string circular riff was not necessarily the genius of a rock
> god, but merely the development of an original idea from an eccentric
> girl-group producer.
According to Jackie, she came up with the riff on When You Walk In the Room.
She played it for Glen Campbell in her self-described bad guitar playing. He
played it back for her in his professional style. She told him she wanted it
scrappy, the way she played it. So that's how that came about. Many early 12
string sounding riffs were played by two 6 string guitars. This was before
Rics became the de riguer folk-rock instrument.
-Bill (proud owner of a 12 string Ric)
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:07:06 EST
From: Gary
Subject: Re: Gamma Goochee
Hope I'm not sounding too desperate! But looking for those rather
hard to find Gamma Goochee releases from the 60's....Did have the
original white label Colpix singles when I wuz a kid (still am,
actually!) but haven't heard those lost singles since then! Please
contact me, I'm more than willing to work something out witcha!
Gary in Denver
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:40:41 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Delicious / Gamma Goochee
Bill George wrote:
> I have the Jim Bacchus single with Delicious/I Need A Vacation.
> Delicious is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
Funny squared: browsing in an antiques store last Saturday, I overheard
one of the owners trying to describe Delicious to the other. I kick
myself now for not having thought to bring a tape recorder with me to
capture his fumbling attempts to get the point of this brilliantly
pointless record across.
> According to Jackie, she came up with the riff on When You Walk In the
> Room. She played it for Glen Campbell in her self-described bad guitar
> playing. He played it back for her in his professional style. She told
> him she wanted it scrappy, the way she played it.
Given that, is there a chance hers is one of the guitars in there?
Gary wrote:
> Hope I'm not sounding too desperate! But looking for those rather
> hard to find Gamma Goochee releases from the 60's....Did have the
> original white label Colpix singles when I wuz a kid (still am,
> actually!) but haven't heard those lost singles since then! Please
> contact me, I'm more than willing to work something out witcha!
I only have one copy of each (including a wild pic sleeve of (You Got
The) G.G.!), and so cannot be the one to put actual vinyl in your hands,
but I'll be happy to post specific tracks to musica. His "title song"
will have to be excepted, however, as it's available in Rhino's 2-CD
Colpix set.
--Phil M.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: 3000 Miles
Mikey:
> Hey, Brian Hyland's "3,0000 Miles" is one of my FAVORITE songs!!!
> Welcome Artie Wayne!!!!
Thanks......it's one of my favorites as well and it's a true story.
Regards,
Artie
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:32:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Harry Young
Subject: Re: Welcome, Artie Wayne
It is certainly a pleasure to see Artie Wayne at Spectropop!
Artie, please reveal which artist recorded and released your
compositions:
Blue Must Be The Color This Year
(Wayne Kent and Joey Powers)
Copyright Vanno September 21, 1962 and Disal July 17, 1963
and
Diggin' Up The Dirt On You
(Joey Powers and Art Wayne)
Copyright Pokvan June 11, 1962
Artie Wayne fans might want to take a look at my Joey Powers
"Midnight Mary" Home Page w/ Jerry Cole, Rickey Dickens,
Rockin' Berries, the German 'Midnight Mary' (Nie mehr lass ich
von Mary) and Lorna Dune's '[Meet You At] Midnight Joey':
http://www.geocities.com/atcofan2001/powers.htm
Thank you--
Harry Young
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:20:02 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Re: Phil's Christmas Album / Petula Clark
I'm with you 100% on this, Mikey. I wish Phil had issued
the album in both monaural and stereo versions on Philles
so we could enjoy it both ways!
On another subject, a very happy birthday to Petula Clark
today. She just achieved the ripe young age of 70!
Stuffed Animal
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:26:26 EST
From: Jason
Subject: Chattahoochee Records
Hi,
Does anyone know which company owns the old Chattahoochee
label?
Thanks,
Jason
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:50:33 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: 3000 Miles
>>>Hey Artie!! Tell us how Brian Hyland came to record 3,000 miles?
Was it written for him? I'll tell you what, if Gary Lewis had made
it his 4th of 5th single, I think he would have had a major hit with
hit...what do you think? Great tune, guy!!
Your Friend,
Mikey
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:01:25 -0000
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Caroline Munro
Hey, Martin,
Hope your CD player stops mucking about, so you can not only
see but also hear the CDs, LOL
Re: Caroline Munro. Unfortunately, Caroline and I lost contact
after the recording sessions. I say unfortunately, because she
was not only a "ten" looker (in fact more so in real life than
on film, in which she was inclined to be masked by too much
make-up), but also a totally cool and charming person. Her father,
Bernard Sheridan, was my lawyer back then, and it was he who
introduced me to Caroline, hoping that I might be interested in
recording her. The session was indeed star-studded musician-wise,
but the name list is not quite accurate - Clapton, yes, Howe, yes,
but not Jack Bruce or Ginger Baker. Instead, Mitch Mitchell was
on drums, John Paul Jones was on bass, Big Jim Sullivan on banjo,
Ray Cooper on percussion, and Nicky Hopkins on keyboards.
"Capital M" has a copy of Tar & Cement, I believe. Who knows,
perhaps there'll be a chance to hear it eventually.
Thanks for your interest and the question. By the way, apart
from all kinds of additions and changes, I have started a FAQs
page on my website( http://www.markwirtz.com ). Some of your
questions are really cool and asked often. Perhaps, on occasion,
you might also like to post such questions there, so that my
answers can benefit curious non-group member visitors.
Cheers :)
Very Best,
Mark (Wirtz)
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:56:40 -0700
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift / Gamma Goochee
Simon White asked:
>What label is this seemingly essential cd on?
The version I've seen was on Hallmark (709732). I can't confirm that
it's the same recording that Phil C. is familiar with, however. I'd
love to see the rarer Gamma Goochee tracks on Musica. I know it's
miniscule but can somebody post the complete discography for the
record? Regards,
Guy.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:22:00 +0000
From: David Young
Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift...
Judging from Phil C's post, it sounds like this year's release of the
faux/tribute Phil Spector Christmas album is credited to The Delta Wall
of Sound, the artists of record on the 1998 collection of Spector covers,
"Baby I Love You: The Delta Wall of Sound Pays Tribute to Phil Spector."
However, let the record show that the Christmas collection was originally
released on Hallmark (UK) in 1997 with no artist credit and with the title
"Christmas Wall of Sound: A Tribute to Phil Spector." The same set was
repackaged and rereleased on Castle Pie (UK) in 1999 in exactly the same
running order, but this time credited to The Jingle Belles (neatly
supporting your Marsha Raven theory, Phil) and retitled "A Girl Group
Christmas."
And while we're on the subject, there's a second "tribute" CD to the Spector
Christmas album out there: Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers' "Spectacular
Christmas Party: 32 Songs Produced in the Classic Phil Spector Style" from
1998 on Music Factory Entertainment (UK, natch). Said Bunny takes his usual
approach with the set: it's a continuous medley from start to finish with no
breaks.
David
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:32:23 +0000
From: David Young
Subject: Dixie Cups question
Can anyone tell me whether the 1997 Dixie Cups "Best of" on Laserlight/Delta
is a collection of originals or re-recordings? The cover shot of the girls
looks fairly contemporary, which is what causes me to wonder.
Thanks for any help y'all can offer.
David
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:22:13 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Bands doing Levi's radio ads
Stephen M.H. Braitman wrote:
> How about bands who did Levi's commercials? There was a 10"
> LP with Jefferson Airplane and Sopwith Camel. The Airplane
> cuts also came out as a 7" EP. Both extremely rare items!
> Anybody know any other bands who did this sort of thing?
Opening a new can of worms may not be in the best interests of
the list, but this thread leads me to a favorite mini-theme of
mine...soul artists who took slogans associated with commercials
and made them into love themes. Two examples spring immediately
to mind: The Duncan Brothers (Capitol) "Things Go Better With
Love", and J.R. Bailey (Calla) "Love Won't Wear Off (as the
day wears on)" ...More?
JB
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:59:48 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Quiz
This Week's Trivia Question:
Sue Thompson had a No. 17 hit in 1962 with "James (Hold The
Ladder Steady"). But which British artist recorded a song
that included the lyric:
"I'll tell you how I know I'm ready: I'd have gone if James
had held that ladder steady."
And what is the title of that song?
---Dan (who doesn't know the answer and hopes someone on
this list does).
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:32:35 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Caroline Munro - Tar And Cement
Ah Ha, knew it. Mark Wirtz is obviously saving this up for
Vol.2 of "the Anthology'" :-)
Thanks for supplying the information on the recording, Mark
but hope you know you've just knocked a few quid of the value
of my record!!! A great eco friendly – but don't let that put
you off! – (Italian?) song, recorded beautifully by Verdelle
Smith and (I'm convinced but can't find it) the delectably-
voiced Francoise Hardy. Caroline also sings the song with great
charm and a maturity denying her youth.
But it's Mark's production that really sets this recording apart.
In many ways it's the third piece in Mark's "Pet Sounds' female
voiced period. Following approximately 6 months after Peanut's
"I'm Waiting For The Day" and her slightly later "I Didn't Love
Him Anyway". Next came Samantha Jones…least said! But is it worth
including on a future compilation? My opinion a resounding YES but
decide for yourself, now playing on musica.
Martin
PS I've had a few emails regarding Caroline's striking 'hits',
I don't keep abreast of European chart action but it appears
she had a pair of hits in Europe with Gary Numan and as one
half of Wilson Munro. While checking it was 'safe' to play
"Tar And Cement' to musica, I came upon this site that includes
an interview; http://www.horror-wood.com/munro.htm
(nearly) all is revealed.
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