I live in upstate NY and have had a CCW permit for 10 yrs. So I went and bought a shotgun to do a little small game hunting, asked if they needed to see my pistol permit. He said no, we have to do a NICS background check. Well, I was denied! Now I have to send in an appeal form to find out the reason for the denial. It most likely is due to an arrest when I was 16 but I had it adjudicated to "youthful offender" status and the record was sealed. I'm now almost 60 yrs. old! This issue also came up when I applied for my pistol permit and I sent the judge the legal papers stating the above and my permit was approved.

After doing some research, I discovered that in 05 the feds sent a letter to all FFL's in NYS stating that a valid pistol permit could no longer be used as an alternative to a NICS check.

I called NICS, they told me to send in the appeal form and if I wanted to "speed up" the process I should go to my local sherriff's dept. get printed and send the prints in with the form.

I'm not going to bother going through all that crap, I have a good supply of handguns. But due to this "technical change" I cannot buy any more guns even though I have a valid pistol permit!

I was not aware of this change, and thought it might be useful for others who may be in a similar situation.

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I have the transaction number, just waiting for the appeal form. I'll probably go through the process to get it fixed.

From what I've read, ATF made NYS stop using pistol permits as a alternative to NICS because NYS was not in compliance with ATF rules & regulations. They gave them a deadline to comply and they didn't.

I"m sure that Bloomberg, the anti-gun mayor of NYC was influential in this change, he's been at war with the fed's for what he calls "lax enforcement".

I thought that when the background check was done for my pistol permit, it went through the FBI too not just the state.

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I thought that when the background check was done for my pistol permit, it went through the FBI too not just the state.

It may have, it may not have. Doesn't necessarily mean anything either way.

Just about every CCW permit, as part of the application process, involves a background check at state and federal levels (often complete with prints being run through the FBI). I also have a C&R FFL, so I've even been run through the ATF's version of whatever check they do. Despite that and my MO CCW, I go through NICS on every purchase from a 01 FFL. That's just how it is.

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