Posts by GarlicBreadLady95

She is alright, I do like some of her songs, however, she is worshipped and called a queen? I wouldn't go that far, but whenever I disagree with someone they are like "how dare you". I find her kind of annoying.

Her mom is the same way. We went to a swanky bar in Houston with a large crowd and we needed one extra seat. I ask the table behind us if I can grab a chair because there was only two people sitting at their table, but of course I wanted to be sure that there wasn't someone in the bathroom or something. She looked away and ignored me. I thought maybe there was a mistake so I asked again louder and got the same response. I said "Ok, I'm just going to take it then." I found out later who it was from one of the ladies in our group. Apparently she ignores people who she thinks is below her, according to our waitress.

Hahaha I wanted to make sure that she wasn’t something special to begin with... she wasn’t. She was a beautician/hairdresser who’s “rise to prominence came as costume designer for Destiny’s Child” (Wikipedia)

“... rise to prominence” ... lol, okay. It definitely seems like somebody with a vested interest wrote that entry 🙄 Congratulations Tina Knowles, you gave birth to Beyoncé, here’s your cookie 🍪

Lmao Jonathon Ross sort of did that to my dad. We were at the Spaniards, a London pub, we were a chair down at our table so my dad turned to ask the table behind who had multiple spare. Before my dad could even finish he got told no but nobody else showed up at their table.

Dad didn’t realise who it was just jokingly said there’s a grumpy guy at the table behind us. Mum later told him who it was and we figured he thought my dad just wanted to talk to him.

See, I’m not sure if she’s even a narcissist. Don’t get me wrong, I think she’s overrated, but I think she’s more stupid than anything. How often does she do an interview? Talk to the press in general? Write anything? Even have a public gaff? She’s secretive as hell and gives off weird vibes when she does finally talk in public. I honestly think there’s not much going on upstairs and her weird aloof-sexy-impersonal vibe is the result of heavy publicist influence. It was her parents, and now JayZ running the show.

I can't remember where, but I think I read somewhere that they learned during her Destiny's Child days that Beyonce just doesn't interview well (or at least, she didn't). I'm guessing they turned this into a "queen-doesn't-talk-to-anyone-below-her" image to offset it.

I've read before that she is extremely shy/introverted. Maybe that's why doesn't interview well? There's a young tennis star from the US, Naomi Osaka, who is VERY awkward in interviews for this reason. Some see it as cringey, some see it as charming. But someone like Beyonce can't afford to be seen as cringey or awkward.

The idea of a pop star being introverted sounds counterintuitive, but it makes sense. A lot of people will call you bitchy and stuck up when you don't reveal a lot. That's been my personal experience anyway

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The only time Beyonce was remotely interesting was when she was in Austin Powers: Goldfinger. That was a long time ago, and it's quite possible that there really isn't much going on upstairs other than flashing dollar signs as her bank account gets bigger.

I mean she made a movie about her Coachella performance. It’s one thing for someone else to make a movie about a performance because it was amazing, but to make it yourself, idk that just screams arrogance to me.

Ultimately its all dollars from more fans, but that IS a nice thing to do. Netflix should have an entire catalogue of HD concerts to get people to enjoy things they may otherwise never get to see, including classical and opera. Or is that already on another platform I am unaware of?

Wait, so she sucks because she doesn’t write how own songs or so her own choreography, but she also sucks because she made her own concert film? This is why I think people hate on her just to hate, that doesn’t even make sense.

She isn’t a song writer, where plenty of other “artists” who are more talented are.

She isn’t a choreographer, same counterpoint as above.

In spite of her lacking in these departments, she is he is so full of herself she made her own performance doc about her time at Coachella about herself which is like the most egocentric, narcissistic thing she could do.

Seriously. She's literally just pure arrogant narcissism, but if you point that out as a negative everyone just says you're hating her for being a successful woman. No, I just don't like arrogant narcissists, man or woman, and I've said the same about plenty of male artists. And I'll be damned if any of my kids grow up thinking her or anyone else with that mindset should be looked up to. Doubtless she's good at what she does it else she wouldn't be where she is, but her public persona is not anything anyone should emulate.

Seriously. She's literally just pure arrogant narcissism, but if you point that out as a negative everyone just says you have her for being a successful woman. No, I just don't like arrogant narcissists, man or woman, and I've said the same about plenty of male artists. And I'll be damned if any of my kids grow up thinking her or anyone else with that mindset should be looked up to. Doubtless she's good at what she does it else she wouldn't be where she is, but her public persona is not anything anyone should emulate.

I fully agree!! You can perfectly be a successful woman without finding yourself all that and telling the world that you do. There’s plenty of (male AND female) artists that are enormously famous and don’t act like they’re the personification of god.

I don’t. Not only is she a good singer, but she has an influence on a lot of african american people. In her album “lemonade” and also in her new movie “homecoming” she talked about the difficulties, the struggle of being black in our society. It is very emotional and well-made. And I don’t think she’s a narcissist because she acts bossy on stage. She is just confident and that also makes a great role model. It isn’t like she hurts anyone. Why is she being called “cocky” when she just loves herself. I think compared to other pop singers nowadays she has a much better influence on fans and changes their perspectives in a good way.
(I am not a huge fan, but i do like her a lot)

Didn't give a shit about her having a huge ego, most people in Hollywood do. But when she said that Men under 30 were absolutely useless, that just confirmed me that she is as thick as a plank and not in the good way.

I don't like her but, she's filthy rich, great looking, and probably has a better life than everyone she sees. I mean she is kind of above us normal people. I'm sure she's smart enough to be humble around those who are better off than her.

Are you jealous? Lol. She’s BEYONCE. Everyone in the world knows her just by her first name and she’s a multi multi millionaire who is actually loved and nearly worshipped by many. I think white losers on reddit just hate seeing that with any woman and they especially hate it with a black woman. Nothing shocking. News alert 🚨 white guys are still mostly trash! shocking

I have no evidence if this of course, but I always believed that's why her sister was seen hitting him in a video taken in an elevator. People acted like she was nuts at the time but it looked to me like she was sticking up her sister. If true, that gives insight into all three of their personalities.

I think thats why people take issue with beyonce. Its the worshiping and the fact you cant be critical of her. I mean she stands for so much, but i look at her and i dont see a feminist or black rights supporter i see someone using that to further herself not a bad idea, just morally wrong.

Same goes for Adele. She’s funny, down to earth, doesn’t have the need to always be the centre of attention and doesn’t (seem to) think of herself as anything more than the average person.
She’s at least as amazing and in my humble opinion a lot more likeable.

What does race have to do with anything??? It was absolutely unnecessary to drag that into this discussion. Lots of white overrated artists, that was not the point here.
Good for her that she made it so big. She’s got some good songs, I personally don’t like her that much. That was it. Nothing more to it.

And she claims to be all about feminism but her husband admitted to cheating on her and she was like oh okay cool let’s sing another song about it... hmmm??? Where’s the self respect in that Beyoncé ¿

Edit: I want to add that I say this because the entire purpose of the feminist movement is to ensure women are being treated the same as men. No more dehumanizing type bullshit. Being cheated on is exactly that, and if you have ever been cheated on you will understand where I’m coming from. It’s hypocritical to say that you’re a feminist if you are still sleeping with a man that has betrayed, insulted, and devalued you because he chose you weren’t good enough at that moment in time. Not saying she is a dumb person for staying (even though she’s definitely not respecting herself for staying), however it is hard for me to understand where she is coming from in terms of feminism.

I'm not a fan of her, but I fail to see the correlation. People cheat in monogamous relationships all the time, man or woman. Sometimes they fix things and move forward, sometimes they don't. It doesn't make her any less of a woman.

It’s easy to leave a boyfriend, but you actually have to put in time/thought to leave a husband especially if you guys have kids together. She did leave jay-Z temporarily, they went to counseling and stuff. The album was therapy for her during that time. She didn’t shrink herself or let him walk all over her.

When you say genuine thar about sums it up for me. I don’t mind her, she’s talented and I enjoy a good amount of her music. But I don’t find her relatable in the slightest. She seems untouchable, and I don’t like people like that generally.

I think it is fair to say she could probably stand to pay a higher wage. However, it’s not like she sets the industry standards, and I would assume many of the people criticizing her for this are wearing items that were made under the same or worse conditions. Not to mention posting from a phone whose manufacture is in many cases no better than slavery, where workers actually commit suicide, if they don’t die from cancer.

Also, she stood to lose a lot of money and time through a divorce and would not benefit her image either. They also have kids together and they are still young too, so a divorce would adversely effect them also.

I mean. Have you heard thank you, next by Ariana Grande? The whole scene of a feminist is to treat yo self and not take shit from any man. If he cheats he's not worth your time. I've talked to many women on the case and they all basically say that same thing.

Um, what? Politics stop at the water's edge, and everyone is just people, husbands and wives and uncles. We're equally capable of screwing up and forgiveness, and we do, all the time, both. "We" meaning "people", which includes feminists.

The whole "scene" of feminism is to support equality of the sexes and their choices whether inside or outside the box of traditoonal ... The "scene" of man hating, seeing them all as controlling assholes or not allowing any mistakes whatsoever and if a woman "puts up with" a man shes an idiot is just that.. Man hating and not alright at all.

Some men and women would be one and done IRT cheating.. Some men and women will try to work it out. Neither are wrong, neither are obligated to do something to make others happy. Supporting women (and men) means supporting them even if they make choices you may not.

Exactly. Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton. They got over the rough times and have been a stable, happy, powerful couple ever since. Bill even stopped looking at other women. He only has eyes for her now. They're a true success story.

You can work through personal issues and still be a feminist. Im not her biggest fan but wont turn her off the radio but she does some great things for the blacklives matter movement and for feminism and empowerment. Hats off to her shes a great role model at the end of the day

We don't REALLY know what their marriage is like. Deciding to work through an affair isn't a sign of weaknesses, nor does it have anything to do with feminism. Perhaps if someone ignores or somehow enables serial cheating the situation might be different.

Ok, this will probably get further into this conversation than I really want to be, but I've read over the past few years, the marriage is a business agreement with a contract, and she was paid millions to have each baby and stay for so long, blah, blah blah, and that's why the serial cheating doesn't really affect anything. I don't care if you believe it or don't, so don't try to change my mind, but I've seen tons of documentation that seems to support the theory. Stranger things have happened. Also, may I mention, would YOU marry that mug and hang around looking at it for years (and PROCREATE on top of it?!) if there wasn't something substantial in it for you? lol. Not me.

I think it was almost part of their business plan, laminate sales etc, and the launch of TIDAL , and whatever else. It just seemed too coincidental, and profitable imo. Then everything seemed just fine after lemonade.

Exactly this. She claims to be about feminism but spoke nothing about her first pregnancy, whether or not if she had a surrogate or trouble conceiving as a “queen” I feel like she could have spoke up about that as many woman struggle with these issues.

You might not have seen it, because you don’t follow Beyoncé, but she actually did though. She released a documentary after her first child was born where she goes into great detail about all of the miscarriages she suffered before she gave birth to her daughter. She did it again with her latest concert film. She even shows herself in the movie before she lost the baby weight from her twins and talks about how hard it was to get back into performance shape after a very difficult pregnancy.

I'm saying we all exploit slave labor and it's hypocritical to only be offended by it when you want to make a negative comment about someone you dislike. If you own a smartphone you support slave labor. Period. Of you like jewelry? Same shit. The Western world is propped up by non western slavery.

Less active blame, sure, but none of us are ignorant of it but we choose to out of sight out of mind it.

Pop country does a lot as well. Pop rock I would say less than the rest but not by much. Look at Elvis vs Chuck Berry(the actual king of rock n roll) or The Monkees and The Beatles. Hell, The Monkees didn't even play their own instruments until the end.

The Monkees were the first successful experiment in what became the modern recording industry. Actors portraying over-produced genre cliche’s.

Take the same chord progressions/samples/beats, add a melody with one or two big intervals (scientifically proven to be “catchy” lol), a chorus filled with ooooh, and lyrics that are widely agreeable. Then lots marketing, placement into advertisements/department store radio’s, movies, all so people hear the song over and over which tricks the brain into thinking it’s catchy (also scientifically proven).

Beyoncé is a brand just like Coca Cola. Her music is mass produced corn syrup pushed by a lot of marketing.

Lol! Not at all. Cameron Wrote, directed,co-produced and co-edited Titanic. Beyonce is great at dancing around to someone else's choreography and singing karaoke without a teleprompter and doing so in front of a set some else designed and built and in an outfit someone else put together.

Listen to Lemonade and tell me that the album wasn't produced without strong, centered creative direction. Who do you think provided that? Yeah, like every album made by somebody other than Buckethead, it was a collaborative effort, but the overarching vision, artistic curation, and the central performance are on her.

Although I do agree in that she’s not all that, her reproductive ways are none of our business, nor does she NEED to share any part of her life with a bunch of strangers. She is probably “queen” because she made money AND married money so I think we’d all be queen at that point. IDK.

A person of substance would never use their fame to exploit factory workers in a third world country. That alone tells me what kind of person she is, and I dont need to know her personally to gather that shes garbage.

The fact that she turned down the role of Plumette, the feather duster in ‘Beauty and The Beast’ because the role wasn’t big enough shows how stuck up she is, especially when she can’t even act. The role eventually went to Gugu Mbatha-Raw who did a wonderful job.

I've experienced similar reactions. It took like 80-something people to write Lemonade and I brought this up to a girl I was talking to at the time. She kinda glossed over and changed the subject. I went back to it and she said, no, let's talk about something else, that's upsetting me

I literally keep my entire opinion of her to myself now, I don't feel like hearing it

Fuck ya coheed! Plus you got bands like queensryche with operation mindcrime 1 & 2, Rush with 2112, most of Iced Earth's albums tell a continuous story, pink Floyd's The Wall and they made a movie out of that.

I'll add The Who's Tommy and Quadrophenia, Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick, Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and Rush's Hemispheres. I know there are more out there but figured we could add to someone's playlist.

Did you tell her that in the past, visual concept albums were made by the band, maybe with the help of one or two graphic designer type people, rather than 100+ people who made Beyonce's album for her and all she had to do was record the vocals that were then cleaned up in post-production?

I'm just guessing, since it took over 9 people to make a single song for her, that it took a small battalion of people to string all that garbage into a cohesive narrative and create all the content for it.

Pink Floyd: The Wall is literally one of the best and one of the most (if not the most) famous example of a concept album. People are fucking ridiculous to think Beyoncé came up with that concept on her own (or any concept for that matter)

This really reminds of that one scene of Fahrenheit 451 where Montag reads poetry to the group of women his wife was hanging out with and one of them gets upset because it makes her feel negative emotions and she leaves crying.

They wanted to feel only happiness and they were willing to be ignorant for that. The girl you’re talking about seems to fit that.

Wait, so she had no reaction to it and tried to change the subject and you insisted on speaking about it and somehow she’s the jerk here? Seems to me like your the kind to try to shove your edgy opinions on to others...

If I was single and talking to a guy and he mentioned he hates Beyoncé, I would ghost him super fast. Same thing with all of the men who cried for days about the Gillette ad and the men who act like Brie Larson is a new day Hitler. They’re annoying, whiny pussies lol.

Cmon let’s be honest, you are single as fuck. Ain’t no one wants to date your crazy ass. Just from looking at your post history I can tell you are probably depressed as duck and eat your feelings away.

I don't like her music, and I don't think she is that good looking either (relative to other celebrities). I do respect the empire she has built with Jay-Z though, and she has kept her image up very well too which is not an easy task.

I am not a part of that cult. Good for them but as far as I can tell Jay-Z is a legit mogul, she's just a majority overrated singer. He picked a very hot, but otherwise not particularly noteworthy member of a girl group to wife and then made her huge.

I completely disagree. I'm Chinese and from my experience, Chinese people aren't racists. They just hate everyone, including othere Chinese. (of course, I'm only refering to "the crowd" in question. There are plenty of amazingly nice and loving Chinese people).

Imagine the stereotypical rude New Yorker and combine that with the stereotypical high school drama queen. That's what they are like. But saying they are racist would be incorrect. Sure, they make say or think something about your race, but really, they just use anything as an excuse to look down on you. They only adore the rich and powerful.

In the USA Chinese or maybe Korean immigrants strike me as the most obviously racist people as a group. Their kids aren't like that, it's not a statement about people of Chinese race, I think it's more so the culture of East Asia. Maybe changing now with the growing ties to Africa but I've had black friends go to China/Korea have some very strange experiences. Sometimes just strange, sometimes obviously bigoted and functionally racist. You can say it's just xenophobia but as a tall relatively good looking white guy I've never been treated that way by East Asians.

If you could hear what my brother's Chinese in-laws (and his wife's large extended family) have to say about blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Japanese, and Koreans, you'd probably come to the very distinct conclusion that they are not fond of anyone who is not Chinese or White.

Edit: The strange exception, and I think it may be cultural - is if any of the aforementioned members of said racial groups are teachers, in which case they give them enormous respect and will even buy them gifts.

And God help you if you dont speak Chinese. They fcking slaughter you. Well I dont want to learn Chinese because I know how fcked you guys can be, Auntie. I would rather learn Russian than talking to you guys.

I mean, you have to realize that your observations are probably very narrowly focused, right?

I obviously don’t know how old you are or your life experiences, but I’ve seen my fair share of horrific intolerance from all kinds of people.

I’ve seen plenty of black folk get nasty towards whites, and I’ve seen, personally, far more virulent racism from (usually) undereducated white people. I’ve seen some of it directed at my family because some parts are fully Arab. I look white so I never had to deal with that. I’m mainly talking about what I’ve seen in person - online a lot of people wear the clothes of a racist for edgy attention.

In my experience, a lot of racism comes from disaffected people who desperately feel a need to put another group down to feel better about themselves. They’ll self-select news stories, subreddits, Facebook groups, peer groups, and soon find themselves eyebrows deep in a well of confirmation bias that their insecurities won’t let them reach out of. I think you certainly do see that on the blackpeopletwitter subreddit sometimes.

But this is a mental state and slow slide to extremism most groups are susceptible to. I’m not sure quantifying who’s the most racist or bigoted is a useful exercise, just like competing in the victim olympics isn’t ether.

On a different account, I had pointed this out by saying something like, "How is okay to be racist against white people on this sub when any other race has experienced racism against them, some 'eye for an eye' BS" --- Yeah, I got banned.

From what I've seen, it seems to be a bunch of white teens, maybe early 20s, laughing at black people/jokes while being completely disconnected from the culture. Feel "cesspool" may be a little extreme, but not exactly inaccurate.

LMFAO at anybody on this subreddit calling another one a cesspool! You’d have to be blind and dumb not to realize this subreddit is 85% full of angry, toxic little white boys with a chip on their shoulder. The other 15% are sane people who understand how the sub is supposed to work and are sprinkled into the comment sections.

blackpeopletwitter is the only part of reddit where beyonce is appreciated so I see why you would get downvotes. Say anything negative about her anywhere else in reddit, brace yourself for karmas. Reddit hates beyonce.

Hello racist feminist. How did you wash up over here? Are you lost? Your echo chamber is over there. Do you not remember your emergency procedure if you find yourself lost and shit talking over Reddit?

Let's sing the song together.

Put your feet out wide, grab your legs from inside, dip your head down low and scream in your butthole.

Although he sounds (is) racist, we have to admit the majority of reddit is white dudes. Go to r/gentlemanboners and tell me how many black women are posted there with lots of upvotes. It doesn't mean we should admire a specific race just for the sake of equality, which wouldn't make sense at all. But it explains the hate beyonce gets in reddit. Powerful (money and influence on her fans) black woman making music relatable to everyone except for white dudes. And god forbid she does something out of greed (cloth factories in asia for cheap labor, sell tickets for expensive prices, celebrate black culture when she pleases although she has blonde dyed hair, supported Hillary during elections etc) She has all the ingredients for hatred in reddit mainly from white people lol

Why the fuck does everyone say this? There is is literally zero.proof of that. The mods even locked the sub and asked for a picture of you to verify you're black a while black and they got a special badge, and pretty much every commenter nowadays has that badge

Yes and no. They have posts, the call it "country club (something)" and you can only comment if you're verified to be black. Also they add a checkmark on your user name when they verify that you're black. That place is racist as fuck. I know this because I got a message from there telling me this.

If they went into a "whites only" mode, then they would be. This is because everything in history that has been whites only has been incredibly racist. See: voting, owning land, having basic human rights, etc.

If any minority group wants to share funny things about their culture with each other without having to hear ignorant white people chime in and tell them "how things really are" then they have that right. Besides, white dudes can be verified to post in there as well, as long as they aren't pieces of shit, so get off of your soapbox.

They don't mind white participation there. They do mind when white people come in and tell them that "they are wrong and here's why," which happens all of the time. Racism is not dead. It's hard to sit there and say any exclusion from a minority group is racist when white people are the demographic in power, when minorities still to this day face systemic racism, and when the basis for the subreddit isn't the exclusion of whites, but rather the celebration of black culture.

When white groups form, the basis of those groups are usually the exclusion of minorities.

So your answer to the question, “what if white people did the same thing” is yes, it then becomes racist if white people do it. And your reasoning for this is because white people did racist shit in the past? That’s what I’m getting.

So if a black person does it = no racism.
White person does same thing = racism.
Because history?

Correction: It went on for 2 days past April fools. After the info started to gain some traction in other subs they pulled an Ethan Bradbury with "just a prank bro!" and some other bullshit about it being a social experiment which was a lie considering they still have these black verification methods. They got caught with some racist ass policies, did the laugh it off routine and everyone forgot about it.

Yeah that subreddits racist, it makes you have to send a photo of your forearm to verify that you are black, it was because the majority of the users were white and racist. So now black peoples have a check mark next to their name on there. Ur comments and post get removed if you don’t have this check mark

I love(d) her music, I especially loved the Sasha Fierce era. But now I sense this air of “I’m better than you minions so I don’t even have to connect anymore”. I don’t feel like she tries to have a relationship with her fans anymore.

I think she’s a good singer and dancer, and she’s beautiful. But I think she’s overrated and the whole ‘queen’ thing is annoying. But I guess Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley were both called kings, and Madonna was also referred to as ‘queen of pop.’

MJ practically invented modern dance. He moved the art of popular dance so far that it’s basically its defined as pre and post Michael Jackson. To this day he remains the most prolific dancers in last 50 plus years, since Fred Astere.

MJ said James Brown was his biggest inspiration and watching him when he was a kid made him want to do it. Also said he'd be sad that the tv shot would often cut above his feet as he wanted to see exactly how and what he was doing there :p mike was on a completely different level but james brown is the serious og performer, performing live like nobodies business, dubbed the hardest working man in showbiz. mj lip synced live a lot

I mean, no. MJ revolutionized modern dance, but he didn't remotely "invent modern dance". Modern dance was already in its Late Modern phase, at the ripe old age of 80yrs, but the time he was even born.
Alvin Ailey founded his company the same year MJ was born....

You can hate Beyonce personally all you like, but she does have the singing talent similar to both of those legends, along with the ability to act and dance. When MJ and Prince were still alive, many people considered it cool to act like they were overrated and talentless as well. Some day Beyonce will pass away and she would be considered a legend, whether you enjoyed her music or not.

Though I like some of her songs, I’m not a huge fan of Beyonce. I just know that calling her talentless just because you personally don’t like her or her music (which is totally fine) is just ridiculous.

You can hate Beyonce personally all you like, but she does have the singing talent similar to both of those legends. When MJ and Prince were still alive, many people considered it cool to act like they were overrated and talentless as well. Some day Beyonce will pass away and she would be considered a legend, whether you enjoyed her music or not.

Though I like some of her songs, I’m not a huge fan of Beyonce. I just know that calling her talentless just because you personally don’t like her or her (which is totally fine) music is just ridiculous.

She’s much better than Elvis Presley and Madonna. MJ was on a different level from anyone. This is coming from someone who doesn’t care for Beyoncé, even objectively you can tell she’s better. And she’s also written her own stuff, which Elvis never did

I don’t mind that because I love MJ, Elvis, and Madonna. I know, different strokes for different folks, but it seems that the talent level between Beyoncé and so may pop divas who came before her (Madonna, Donna Summer, Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin) is such a wide gap that it doesn’t feel like a matter of opinion anymore. But it is, I know.

It’s funny, I remember seeing something about her posted on reddit or facebook & everyone was talking about how amazing she is. Someone posted how if Aaliyah was still alive today, Beyoncé’s solo career would have probably failed.

I’m not a fan of hers by any means, I feel like she’s an okay actress & her music is okay for what it is. But the worshipping she gets is well & truly over done. Reminds me of girls back in the 90/00s with Britney Spears.

Her dancing is actually pretty bad. I know someone who is a professional dancer and has done some tours with a bunch of major pop stars. The words they used to describe her dancing were “Hyper” and “Sloppy”. I can see that.

She still looks good there. She’s not the most beautiful woman in the world like some of her fans claim. And yes, she does use professional hair, makeup and photoshop like most celebrities, but she’s still conventionally attractive.

The way she does he hair and eyebrows etc. are meant to look good when they have been done up.

If I cut my hair to look one way but then do it in another way, I will look much worse. So when shown in a horribly overexposed photograph and without the full prep., of course she doesn't look as attractive.

She could also style herself after looking "natural" and naturally attractive with little effort. But it would be a different sort of look. Finally, although beauty is subjective, she is definitely conventionally attractive (despite there existing some photographs where she isn't).

I think that’s about what is par for a worker in Sri Lanka though. I looked up monthly living wages and converted it to American dollars. I may have did the math wrong but it’s towards the higher end for single people’s wages. ~$3.30-$5.00 a day. Long hours still suck but different parts of the world have different work ethics and customs. I’m not saying that it’s right.

In one of the articles I read a while back when I first learned about this, one of the girls was interviewed. She said the girls stay in company housing, which they take directly from their checks. It's a dangerous, low-income area, so it's not too safe to go out... which generally isn't a problem because they work 12-16 hrs a day, 6 days a week, so they usually don't have time to go out anyway. The money they make is usually just enough to pay their company-housing rent, which just keeps them in a perpetual state of servitude. Hardly much time to look for other work too.

I just think it's hypocritical. I'd expect this from some unscrupulous fat cat tycoon, but Bey is all about that women's empowerment thing, and women helping women, women lifting other women up, and bla bla bla. And then she pulls this shit. Guess she's just another unscrupulous fat cat after all.

I mean, she's got a hoodie for sale. $115. Probably cost her like 25 cents to make. You'd think Ms. Female Empowerment could afford to share some of the wealth with her mostly female employees. Not like Bey needs any MORE money, right? At some point you cross the line into morally evil territory when you just have so, so, so much more than the people who directly make the very things you profit so heavily off of. That's just evil in my book. Disagree if you like.

I disagree. I think it has to do with the fame and luxury people like the Kardashians portray. The viewer, by watching them, gets 'immersed' in that world at some point and it lets them enjoy at least a liiittle part of that rich world and that's why it's so attractive to so many people.

It's the same reason why someone would watch a fantasy show like Game of Thrones or an action movie or basically any kind of tv show/movie, actually. Because we feel like we are part of that world, at least for a little while.

Honestly Ive started to respect Kim at least, solely for the charity and law work she does, as well as her genius husband. Beyonce isn't anything special aside from lemonade and a couple other songs. And her fanbase is significantly more volatile.

It's sad but also kinda inevitable and part of human nature that in a certain culture people like this get worshiped by the masses. This phenomenon is not limited to artists either. Sport stars, movie stars etc. it's all pretty much the same thing.

Of course this will immediately draw out the detractors a la "let people like what they like", "don't be elitist" etc. I think it is actually the opposite of elitism to find this culture of celebrity worship objectionable. Let us find better and worthier idols in our surroundings, in people we actually can talk to and interact with and grow together. Also this "people like what they like" argument doesn't take into account that growth in taste and quality is possible. There is better music and better things out there and more people becoming aware of them and making them part of their lives will increase beauty, truth and goodness for all of us.

Mostly her insane ability as a singer, not so much the content of her songs. Shes also a really impressive dancer. Shes a performer, and her ability to do both these things so well at the same time is what makes her impressive. She's just a really great performer.

I don't see it, she's a good enough performer to be successful but I think she's as about the same talent level of the average Kpop group member and not this "incredible queen" hype, although the average Kpop trainer probably works harder since sadly the are super exploited.

I'm not from the US (and here most people if they even know Beyonce they don't know her songs since they are barely play in the radio) and I remember laughing a ton many years ago when she first came to play a concert and since they didn't sell enough tickets, the organizers started to give out free tickets during the day of the concerts just to fill the place. I got some and the show was entertaining but I wouldn't have payed what she was charging (she was charging almost as much as Paul McArney and that's just crazy).

Exactly. Not a fan of her music, but I really respect her work ethic and standards of presentation, at least what I've seen of it when watching her live shows. There's plenty of better singers and better performers out there, but I haven't seen many at her level of fame who put both aspects together consistently and with so much energy (her live singing quality while dancing is very good, like you said, and effort goes into preserving her voice). She's slowed down some in the past couple of years, yet compared to other pop artists her age who just show up in pretty costumes and lip sync over some listless shimmying, she's held up very well. You buy a Beyonce concert ticket, you know you're most likely not gonna get some half-assed bullshit. It's a pretty low standard to meet and yet many pop stars still don't achieve it.

Her content is usually better than most modern pop. And she has been a pop icon for decades. I get not liking beyonce. But you can't detract from her accomplishments to say she doesn't deserve veneration

She was a huge star in the late 90s and 2000s to the point where lots of people basically grew up with her. Then she had a huge resurgence in 2013 with her self titled album which was considered more ‘interesting’ music rather than just radio pop. Then in 2016 again with lemonade, it was a big divergence from normal radio bubblegum hip-pop that dominated her early career. And people ate it up.

She’s been a big star since 1997, so a lot of the love for her is that she’s been doing this a while, people basically grew up with her.

singing ability, dance ability, overall entertainment value. I like her music, never "loved" her, but you watch something like "Homecoming" on netflix and the amount of detail/work/planning she helped put into a show, you end up respecting it.

You want know something...people only like beyonce because its fun to like her. Her music is meh at best....i mean alicia keys or even lady gaga have more talent but arent as loved. I think beyonce is good person and very talented, but personally her music to me isnt that good.

Ill have to dig through those "which celebrity encounter was disappointing" threads, but if i find it will link it to you. The vasic gist of the story was at a fan meet, she was talking shit about everyone she met to her assistant or something like that.

Meh. Alicia Keys was okay until she went through the kill whitey phase (which I am not sure she ever got out of). I genuinely believe the last great female R&B singer was Toni Braxton. Since then it has just been a contest on who can randomly hold notes the longest while traveling up and down the scale.

Meh. Alicia Keys was okay until she went through the kill whitey phase (which I am not sure she ever got out of). I genuinely believe the last great female R&B singer was Toni Braxton. Since then it's just been a contest on who can randomly hold notes the longest while traveling up and down the scale.

I can reassure you that plenty of people love Lady Gaga and Alicia Keys just as much. Both are equally talented. It's extremely difficult to do what they do. Especially all the performers that dance and sing at the same time. Shit is hard af.

I like Alicia Keys but her recent music is meh at best. She is completely uninspired. Lady Gaga is super talented but she does generic pop songs too. Her songs are both melodically and lyric-wise uninteresting. Catchy for a few weeks or months and then you always hit skip.

I dont see how? Beyonce's music is poppy and lady gaga's has powerful meaning behind her music. I feel once again just me that the musical narratives beyonce creates arent as meaningful or as impactful to an actual group of people. She's too big now Beyonce doesnt relate anymore.

BTS actually has been making a huge impact on the youth today. They created an entire album series dedicated to the UNICEF ‘End Violence’ campaign and have created songs that focus on the struggles that younger generations face. Almost every single one of the members make large contributions to charities on the regular and they have also shown their support for the LGBTQ community, which is Korea seems to be a massive taboo still. There is much more and I know it may not look like it on the outside, but BTS I believe is changing the world.

Agreed, I like who they are and what they stand for, more than their music. Their music is definitely not GOAT, but it is a story about struggles I faced as a teenager, which is their main selling point.

When I discovered BTS I was a casual listener until I started to learn more about each of the boys, the background of their music, and how they use their platform to speak about important issues. There is truly nothing better in my opinion than listening to one of their songs and it sounding so beautiful, but then searching up for english translations and finding that the song actually has an important message.

Ariana Grande is my pet peeve. Her songs suck. Boring as hell. She is going the Aguilera path. Great voice but shitty music. I can't for the life of me remember the melody of any single song of hers because the're either bland and boring or too chaotic. I honestly don't have any idea what people like about her music. But then again the same people also liked that song with that guy saying "Gucci Gang" nonstop for 2 minutes so what do I know...

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I will however take issue with BTS being chucked into the same category as Grande. Listen to their main songs, read their lyrics (translation) and look at the MVs. The effort they put into their music is something no other popstar except for maybe Beyonce (in terms of dancing) is putting forward. And it shows in terms of quality. For me, they are The Black Keys of pop at this point.

Ooo I fucking hate ariana grande. Her singing voice is grating to listen to. It’s like she never actually has power behind her voice and she never actually hits her consonants, she always kinda glosses over them.

I'm super out of touch with pop music, so the first time I'd ever heard her sing was on TV for a show. I had no idea what the hell she was saying. I honest to god turned to my husband and said "What's up with that singer? She sounds kind of weird! Maybe she's partially deaf??" Nope!

Oh my god! I literally questioned if she was a little deaf too, but then I was like “she’s hitting the notes, it can’t be that” so, as someone who has been singing for most of her life, the one class I took having been mostly about still hitting the notes without sacrificing pronunciation, it seems like she just wasn’t trained to do that. It’s hard to enunciate while still hitting notes. She’s hitting notes without enunciation.

When you regularly have role models that look like you, you have your pick to like and choose. For the black community, we only have so many high profile people like us that make a world wide impact. If you’re white, you don’t have to look up and see people who look like you because they just exist and you don’t have to think about it. But if you’re a minority, you celebrate the people that are because pop culture is saturated in people who never really have to think about those things or strain to see themselves in that way.

I don’t understand this. If you’re a black person and can’t idolize someone because they are white and need a black persons to idolize, you’re a racist. It would be the same with white people. The Rolling Stones made fantastic music, they were idolized for that, not cause they were white. The same way Sam cook, Ray Charles, James brown... (I could go on) were idolized by all color of people. There have been black music idols forever, there’s no shortage of them. There’s no reason to compromise music quality.

You don’t understand how a group of people that have been systematically oppressed, with government-backing, would possibly find inspiration in a couple that looks like them coming from no money and using their talent, work, and luck to become a world-famous couple that’s adored by millions?

Do you also post rants about how womyn need to get out of your Marvel movies?

That’s not even touching on how many white artists were famous for stealing the music of black people, but you conveniently left them off that list.

No, I don’t understand why people need it today when they are no longer oppressed as a race and are a part of the system that a small fraction of radicals claim is still oppressing them. To idolize them for musical success is especially ridiculous because, again, there have been black music idols forever.

I have no problem with people liking Them because they came from nothing, I have a problem with the “looks like them” part. You should be able to appreciate people who don’t look like you just as much as you appreciate people who do look like you.

I’m a woman, and I don’t need to be represented based on my genitals, I can relate to men and admire male characters just fine. I especially don’t need to be represented by unrealistic one-dimensional characters that are put there to appease me because they also have vaginas. If marvel women are well-rounded, realistic characters (I don’t know if they are, I find marvel movies boring) then cool. It still doesn’t matter to me that they’re women, but good characters are better than bad characters regardless.

Beyoncé is a great singer and dancer. Her career is long and storied. She seems like a decent person. Her concerts are amazing (I’ve seen 2). All around pretty awesome.

And I’m just a white dude, but sometimes I can understand that something isn’t for me. Or at least it’s not as impactful for me. I saw B in Philadelphia and seeing the look in the face of thousands of black women and girls and how she inspired them to love themselves, there culture and heritage was something wonderful for me to experience.

It’s ok if I just like 10 of her pop hits (which is a fucking truckload btw). But maybe if I was a black woman (or just a woman) and her music made me love myself more and feel valued then it would mean more to me.

Exactly. This opinion by OP seems to be fueled exactly the same as my friend who hasn't even seen Black Panther and "doesn't understand why the character is popular". My sister teaches at a primarily black school and those kids finally got to dress up at Halloween as a hero they could identify with, go figure that there are celebs out there that aren't aimed at white men like us.

Beyonce has been huge for the empowerment of black women, and women in general. No one can tell me that her discography isn't massive and rightfully popular. Looking at it she has R&B, Pop, Hip Hop all covered and excels at each genre. She is excellent with having good background tracks and beats, while also having memorable choruses in songs, iconic melodies, and always provides flair when she is featured on a song. As someone who grew up in the early 2000's, her impact was massive and positive. I don't understand the hate for her, when it is her fans who suck.

60% of the people in these comments are “easily triggered snowflakes” that think Ben Shapiro owning libs is super cool.

Like the amount of people who can’t handle “oh maybe this wasn’t meant for me?” or “cool, has no impact on me but maybe it means something to someone else”

the Gillette commercial

BF5 has female in trailer

Gamergate

Black Panther exists

It’s all just a desire to feel like a victim and get defensive.

So can I look at Beyoncé and say yah she’s talented and has some bangers but maybe for someone who is not me it could be much more. And it’s definitely good to have people in the public who cause hope and inspire people. And my common sense view is that Beyoncé makes thousands of women and women of color in particular feel good. So she’s cool in my book.

Thank you for explaining this better than I could.
I wanted to somehow explain the FEELING she give me, and reading your comment made me realize that the sheer appreciation of us is not something we get to see in the mainstream that often.
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Yea, she doesn’t write all of her music, but Sade is literally my all time fave (love me some bad gyal Rih Rih too) and they don’t write all of their stuff either.

I was trained classically in clarinet, and we adore musicians for playing music that has been played hundreds of thousands of times before- because of what THEY bring to it.

All of my life I have just been so happy that there are people who exist, that can communicate someone’s words or melody in a way that brings it alive in a way that just makes you shiver. That’s why people love covers.

Like, there are brilliant people writing music/lyrics who can’t, or don’t want to perform it. And thanks to lots of different performers like Rihanna, Beyoncé, Sade, Whitney Houston etc. WE get to experience it still!

Just my perspective.

Edit: also, I’m not a stan (Solange will always be my favorite- not that it matters). I just love to switch up some Jamaican oldies for Homecoming when I’m cleaning my house 😭i.e. it’s not that serious and I don’t understand the vitriol

Edit 2: just realized Beyoncé and her team might be aware of how some people feel. In Homecoming she goes from “Diva” into O.T. ‘s “Everybody Mad” with a dance break 😂
Pretty funny whether on purpose or not

This is why Beyoncé fans will just nope out of a conversation about why someone doesn't like Beyoncé. She's clearly polarizing, but the reason that people like her as an artist is usually very personal to them. Some people def take it too far but I'm absolutely the kind of person who's like, I just don't want to talk about this. Look at this entire comment section, people immediately jump to calling her completely talentless, say that she doesn't do any work herself because she has other people working for her, as if she's the first solo artist to get the accolades for the work of hundreds of people.

I’m a black woman but I guess it’s not for me either. The creative theft is a huge turn off for me and I just don’t care much for her music. It’s... fine at best and boring mostly. To each his own. I don’t knock others for liking her but I just don’t see the appeal.

I think someone like her who is extremely successful, and recently hasn’t been catering to the dominant group (white men and women) is really triggering, and just generally because she is private and stays out of scandal people hate that she seems perfect and it just makes them feel small and rubs them the wrong way.

Basically, I think she is someone that has a life that most can not relate and she is placed on a pedestal that people want her to fall from.

Honestly I like Beyoncé, but she shouldn’t be idolised that much. I have seen her live, and I was blown the fuck away. Is she a goddess? No. She’s just a really talented singer and dancer that is hugely popular.

I’m not sure why some people hate when an artist is idolislzed unless there is a level of bitterness behind it for them. Plenty of artists are idolized. Teens cried at the Beatles concerts and acted like they were going insane in old clips. The Beatles were just some guys who sing when you break is down. But people WANT those they can look up to, it’s human nature.

Holy shit, please stop with this. I’ve seen this posted on here at least once a month since the beginning of time - we get it. This was also on r/confessions today, which is pretty much the lamest ‘confession’ ever. I really wish this sub had more self-awareness and, God forbid, some new material

Yes. I’m not a huge fan of hers. Pop in general is meh to me. Lady Gaga grew on me and now I love her. Alicia keys always seemed kinda special and I’ve liked her for awhile. I LIKE BEYONCÉ. Im sure her songs are good. But so far they haven’t inspired me to by them. But to be 100percent Fair I only own like two Gaga songs. I’m an indi gal.

I remember seeing a breakdown between her and Beck when he beat her for best album and Kanye flipped his shit on live tv. Beck had like 15 instrument credits to her... singing. He was the sole producer and song writer, while she had a team of like 20 write and 15 produce for her. She can sing and shake her ass, but that's about it. She is no artist and completely undeserving of the title 'queen', unless she happens to be a gay man in drag--hmm, believable.

It's fair to point out that beck has a lot of talent in various arenas (and i love beck), but this line is just a hilariously blatant downplaying of her talent. "Michael Jackson could sing and wiggle his arms, but that's about it." What a joke.

As someone who is not a fan of Beyoncé and has done plenty of technical vocal training, I'm easily able to recognize her immense talent. You should consider doing the same.

She is! While I'm not a big fan, my GF is. I was watching part of her recent documentary thing with her, and at one point she breaks out what are basically some operatic arias. I was impressed and kind of shocked, not only because I didn't expect it from her but because she legit sounded great. I had always known/assumed she was classically trained, but hearing it was a different story.

Her vocal control is truly incredible, matched with the obvious passion and soul she has for music. The fact that she can do all this while also perfectly executing very physically demanding dance moves is honestly mindblowing.

To be fair, lots of professional artists have to give arbitrary credits to ‘writers’ even if they’re contribution was just being in the same room as them. For the biggest stars, this is a major thing. Kanye West mostly creates his music surrounded by his friends, but he is still the one making the music. Regardless, everyone around him has to get credits for all that stuff.

She has definitely lightened her skin in my opinion. Which is so sad when she has such a platform to own and be proud of being a strong black woman. But she tries to look as white as possible. It's up to girls like her and nicki Minaj to embrace how they are so normal girls can do the same.

Even if it is only 2% (which it isn’t), that 2% make an awful lot of noise compared to their size. To me it seems like every female between 14 and 40 can’t get enough of her and as OP has said isn’t justified as she’s just not all that

I am not a Beyonce fan; I respect what she does and what she represents for a lot of people. Most of her music isn't my taste. As far as her working through infidelity in her marriage, that is a choice she made with Jay-Z and beyond that, it's no one else's business.

Beyonce is all about her management making an icon out of her. Why do you think she doesn't do interviews anymore? Because she is not smart or deep enough to live up to the hype and persona the talented people around her have crafted. And I agree that she is overrated. She is de facto the best female performer currently on the market, but her songs are really, bar a few, nothing special.

Has that been confirmed? That’s an incredibly shitty as thing to do and I would lose a ton of respect for her if it’s true. LA is far too populated of an area to just closing down hospital wings because of a celebrity. Imagine moving mothers who were probably already into hours of labor, or patients dealing with health complications.

Yeah, I'm positive she did that with her first kid too. It was reported on by fucking E news of all places. If you look it up you should be able to find some TMZ articles on it. It was all over facebook for a few days like 4 years ago.

It's up to the individual to "like" whatever music...but performance wise she puts in more work than any other entertainer out today..this is kinda irrefutable if you watch that Netflix Homecoming ish. And she's big into philanthropy at a relatively young age.

I'm no "Fan" but objectively, outside of opinion a certain amount of respect is due..I really disliked Kobe Bryants personality yet still respected his ability and work ethic none the less.

As a side note younger ginormous popular black women seem to get alot of flack if they don't actively pander to people..Rihanna is another clean example. I mean it's fine to not care for their music, but when there is some element of personal annoyance or "hate" for a person who is generally positive in their actions? That usually denotes some...emotional bias or personal issue.

What has she done to seem narcissistic? Cause I’ve only ever heard accounts of her being very friendly and warm to people she meets, and I’ve never seen a video or her being unkind. I think people call her narcissistic and arrogant and say that she puts herself on a pedestal, but it’s her fans who do that.

It's mostly white guys who don't like or listen to that type of music anyway. And why would they? It's about womanhood, mostly "hype yourself as a woman and/or black woman" music.

So, it's not for them. It's understandable why they wouldn't like it, but the hatred is strange. I don't like metal or country, but not to the point where I'm thinking about popular bands enough to post negatively about them, you know? They don't cross my mind like that. They don't cross my mind at all.

As a dj, I hear one song and I've heard like 8...most of the songs seem to sample each other and there is a lack of creativity. Plus, she writes songs that contradict each other, like she is trying to please everyone

she is not called a "queen" due to her music but mainly due to her political stances. the entire beyonce "queen" thingy started after she started taking political sides in her songs mainly in regards to feminism, police violence etc. her being a mainstream successful black celebrity in an age where most of the black celebrities come from hip hop/gangsta trap she kinda became a representative of successful black woman fighting for "social causes".(and realistically speaking these days its either her or cardi b )

the beyonce worship is also part of a certain very cult like type of worship that exist on the internet in regards to a lot of celebrities mainly teen oriented ones. Like u have people posting very cringy gifs of them doing every day things like moving their tongue, moving their head or walking on the street with captions like "omg so perfect". There's a bunch of these communities for a lot of celebrities , usually the teen ones like one direction, selena gomez, taylor swift etc. Never really understood these mini cults but whatever.

How is Kanye overrated ? He has one of the best and most diverse discography’s in hip hop history. His fans might be a little obsessed but what celebrity doesn’t have those ? He’s also hated by plenty of people but I don’t see how his personal views effect the quality of his music.

I just don't get it apparently. I'm old school and I don't think he has any flow, anything to say and the music is a bore. That's just IMO. Some girl bleached her asshole and he has bleach on his t shirt and now he looks like a asshole? I'll take Chuck D any day.

She is seriously overrated, and she has been for the past decade. It is an absolute miracle that it has lasted this long. There is not a single song of hers that is a classic, yet she is treated like every album of hers was a classic. That fucking dreamgirls OST for example, was really generic and boring, full of forced oversinging and just cringrworth. Also she sings every song the same way. She has no depth and range when it comes to expressing emotions, and her dance moves are too much and flat out bizzare. People don't love Beyonce, or her music. They like Beyonce's image, so as long as she maintains her cover of bubbles, they won't look further.

Don't give me this shit about lack of black female role models or some bullshit like that. There is a long, long list of insanely talented black women musicians, but none of then was as popular as Beyonce, and that is thanks to her image being peddled to death than the quality of her music, or anything she does. Naming black women more musically talented than Beyonce is probably the easiest game in the world. Even if we limit ourselves to relatively popular singers, Alicia Keys, Janelle Monae, Lauryn Hill, even Chrisette Michele have all made better music than Beyonce. Beyonce has never, ever had a single song that compares to their music. Chrisette Michele is probably the least critically accalimed among those in the list above, and Beyonce doesn't have a single album better than Chrisette's first. So enough about how her talent and work is an inspiration. Her work doesn't inspire shit, her popularity does.

Kanye gets shit for his ego, but at least he has four albums that are arguably classics. What the fuck does Beyonce have?

Heh. One of my most downvoted posts ever was when I questioned why Beyoncé needed, like, 10 people to write just one of her songs.

You can make fun of ABBA all you want, but Benny Andersson and Bjorn Ulvaeus wrote hit after hit after hit... most of which are still catchy 40 years later. Not unlike Elton John and Bernie Taupin, who also wrote hit after hit.

Destinys Child worked incredibly hard for their entire lives, they had been working for like 10 years before they achieved any fame, and they ended up being the most successful girl group of all time. That was a huge amount of work & a huge risk for her to leave

I am, that was just my assumption. I haven't paid much attention to them over the years and that seemed like the reasonable conclusion. Timberlake split his group too and pop stars are heavily produced..

You mean a bunch of people on twitter with nothing better to do than flame about a celebrity because they work dead end jobs after dropping out of school? A bunch of hypebeasts and yass queens that live with their parents and drop their whole months pay from McDonalds on shoes?

really. We over value a lot of weird fucking shit, the only people that deserve praise like what she gets on a daily basis are humanitarians. People dropping all the selfish glamour to actually go out of their way and help people who have no chance.

HELL! The guy/girl that keeps literal shit out of my water too! CONGRATS TO THE FABULOUS WASTE WORKERS OF NEBRASKA! WE LOVE YOU AND YOU DONT GET ENOUGH CREDIT.

Think about it, they praise her publicly, sing her (worship) songs, travel miles to see her, cry when they see her, tell other people how amazing she is, support her choices and listen to her teachings.

I’m a black women. As a black women, I’ve always loved Beyoncé. It wasn’t always about the number one hits she had and how beautiful her voice was. It was about how her and her songs empower women to be confidence in themselves and black women to be confident in themselves. Flawless is one example.

Anyway I know my opinion will be unpopular. Always good to hear other opinions :)

It's literally non-fans of her type of music and those who haven't seen her interviews inferring things. It's weird.

I remember the interview where she says, "Sometimes you can do everything right and still lose, thats's life." And she was talking about herself on a talent show back in the day. She understood and accepted it and kept at it. That's the opposite of the narcissist they think she is.

I don't like country music and think a lot of the artists are whiny and not talented and repetitive, but I don't care enough to despise them to this point, you know? I just don't think about them enough to hate them.

I think they are frustrated by not "getting" her despite her popularity.

I agree with you whole heartily. I do think he she incredibly talented and I enjoy her music for what it is. Being in the business she is in for that long is commendable. But people worship her as if she's a god of extreme talent and that's just not the fact. Personally I like Rihanna more and Everytime I say this to people they loss their shit. I just don't think "Queen Bee" is as talented as other people lead on

Amen...I can't stand her personally as a performer and the overall package. She has a few songs that are alright but nothing to write home about. I usually prefer when she is a featured artist rather than the focus of a song. Aaliyah was always my favorite along with Sade and that 1 Lauren Hill album. Currently I really like Sza, FKA Twigs and HER.

Regarding putting Jay-Z balls in her purse, I don't like people who air their dirty laundry in public just to maintain relevance. I thought Lemonade had a few good songs but 4:44 made it bigger than it was due to the "wronged woman" angle. And now one of my favorite rappers growing up is a shell of his former self. Man can't find the energy to get a fresh cut anymore. B probably won't allow it anyways. No wonder Solange felt secure enough to kick the dog shit out of Jay in that elevator.

On a somewhat related note: Ayesha Curry really messed up the "all men are cheaters angle and women deserve our sympathy" angle on that wacko Jada's show.

She is undeniably talented, but she really hasn’t had a good song since her 2008 album. If I cared only about vocal talent, I’d listen to opera instead, which has the bonus of being chill-inducing, not her vocals. She is a pop singer, just make some good pop and that’s it. I also don’t like her personality, trashy and narcissistic.

I completely agree.When she cleared out the hospital at the birth of her child ..omg give me a break.
Who the hell do they think they are. ?
I believe she talented and pretty. Hardworking. No doubt.
But please you sing and dance ..
Big deal.

The worship is ridiculous but, I must admit, Beyoncé is one of a kind. Wasn’t until I saw her live when I noticed how talented she is. She’s an incredible singer and dancer. She doesn’t lip synch at all and her (super difficult) choreography is done in heels while singing. There aren’t many pop stars that can keep up with that so I definitely find her amazing.

Nothing to worship over though. Especially because she doesn’t write her own music or create her own choreo. Everything is made for her but she does it amazingly. So we can give her that.

Yeah, I agree. Her HOMECOMING performance that I saw on Netflix and listened to on Spotify is probably one of the best live albums of this decade (though I can't say I heard a lot of live albums). Watching all the choreography and the live jazz band playing all her songs was honestly amazing

Adele metaphorically burning herself at the stake for receiving an award she legitimately deserved, and treated Beyonce like a fucking deity. That was basically the end of any interest I had in Beyonce. And that wasn't her fault, but still, I just can't bring myself to give a shit.

Adele metaphorically burning herself at the stake for receiving an award she legitimately deserved, and treating Beyonce like a fucking deity, was basically the end of any interest I had in Beyonce. And that wasn't her fault, but still, I just can't bring myself to give a shit.

Incredible performances but her music is average and since DC I can't even think of one that really stands out. What really gets me is the fans. It's just like when I say Kanye West isn't the greatest of all time.

Back in high school, there was this kid in my class who quite literally worshiped Beyoncé. Even his binders and school books were decorated with Beyoncé photos the same way that goth and emo kids dedicate to their aesthetic.

Based on what I saw of him at school, Beyoncé was the dude's whole life, and I never understood how anyone could be that big a fan of someone. At the time I also thought he was gay, but that was just my judgement derived from stereotypes and my teenager's mind (e.g. his personality, his group of friends entirely composed of women, etc); haven't seen him since graduation. My gaydar has been totally right before though. If those two things do or don't go together, I can't say, but it seemed related somehow at the time.

He's what I think of when I think of Beyoncé fans. It's weird to me because I don't think she's really that good of an artist, but I guess it's not so different from other cliques or aesthetics people get into.

Well considering she isn't really a musician or a good performer, which brings to attention the bulk of everything on the radio or any mainstream genre that is pop, hip-hop or anything that took more than three people to insert whistles, a standard beat and samples and four lyrics. So, agreed.

I haven’t really enjoyed anything from her since her first super bowl, but here is a balanced view:

She’s dumber than a bag of bricks. You can listen to any of her interviews and tell that she couldn’t read or write at a middle school level. Also, it’s a well-known fact that she hasn’t written a single damn verse on any of her songs.

HOWEVER,

She is probably THE greatest performer of all fucking time, INCLUDING Michael Jackson, Gaga, Whitney, Freddie Mercury, and anyone else you want to think of. She flawlessly sings live, while also doing difficult choreography (you can look up her mic feeds on YouTube). She had her hair caught in a fan once and kept singing like nothing was happening.
She also has an outstanding work ethic. She makes sure that all of her performances are perfect, and you can see that she and her team plans well in advance for everything. If you watch her Netflix documentary, you can see the months of preparation just for that one performance. Also, I heard somewhere that she used sing through all of her concerts while exercising on an elliptical machine just to make sure that her endurance was beyond what was required in her performances.

How about the fact that her clothing line is made by women in sweatshops in Sri Lanka? Yes, the money they're making is technically above the minimum wage, but it's still about $6 a day. Six fucking dollars.

The songs are catchy and most of them are fun or easy to listen to but as far as I can tell her lyrics aren’t especially complex or deap, the music hasn’t pushed any boundaries, the topics aren’t groundbreaking or profound. I just don’t get it. I like some of her stuff. But I’ve take. My preconceived notions about a lot of pop artists and listened to them or learned their stories and she just doesn’t seem that impressive or talented. She’s talented because she’s a professional artist but not more than anyone else who has ever gotten on the radio. Like obviously above average but not amazing.

I asked an ex who was obsessed to explain and she just couldn’t beyond saying that she’s just so great and empowering. Ummmm anything in particular? Examples of things she’s dont that others aren’t? Like Lady Gaga has this whole you be who you are thing that permeates her art and her performances. Beyoncé did single ladies and girls run the world but that’s like saying little caesars is the same as any other pizza.

This isn’t that unpopular of an opinion! I think she’s fairly talented, but couldn’t agree more that calling her “queen” and the like is excessive. I’m not into “worshipping idols” over here though tbh, so that could influence my opinion.

Beyoncé is beautiful and clearly very talented, but I personally find the type of music she produces very mediocre. I guess I’m biased though because I’m not a pop music fan. I’ll never really understand the mentality some people have of getting angry over someone’s opinion on someone you’ve never even met.

Beyoncé in herself is kinda mediocre to me but yeah that personality is so annoying. The worst part is that all this shit has spun off much worse people like Cardi B who is fifteen times worse than her just trying to be Beyoncé

I was fine with her until Dreamgirls. She couldn't stand that Jennifer Hudson got a solo song and she didn't, so they added in her singing solo with a black background in a place where it barely made sense and her voice, while not bad, just sounded hollow in comparison to Jennifer Hudson's. She threw off the vibe of an otherwise good movie simply because the spotlight was on someone besides her. That's a shitty thing to do.

She started out in a band of 3 girls where she always pushed herself forward as the lead. She wrote several songs about wanting boys to be with her and take care of her, then once she got one changed her tune and started singing like she don't need no man. Her most recent sin is that her first foray into moviemaking is a movie written entirely about her.

Dude, if literally anything Beyonce did wasn't about Beyonce, I might feel different. But I have no qualms in saying that woman doesn't deserve what she has. I take any opportunity I can to tell a Beyonce fan what garbage she is. I lose potential friends, but I would have hated their guts, anyway. My friends also don't like Beyonce. It's not, like, a bonding point, it's a fucking ethic. Like, I just take major issue with people who are only self-centered.

Have you actually gave her a good listen? Her 90's and 2000's songs? Give her a half hour of going through songs you don't know, then come back around. Were you born in 95? So, a little young, maybe you weren't expo9sed to her talents as much. She created dance moves, is beautiful, creative, confident, empowering, consistent.. Definitely paved the way for many artists today. I urge you to listen to love on top and some of her older destiny child's songs.

When it comes to mega stars like this, it’s more than just the artist, it’s really a brand and experience I’ve noticed (e.g performances, interviews, products, fanbase, persona etc.) That’s what makes people obsess over her, not just the music.

Her music is ok at best but it most likely isn’t for you. Not every type of music is objectively liked. I really can’t stand it, but that’s because it’s not for me. I like bands, instruments, groups. A woman shaking her ass on stage while preaching feminism or w/e is just annoying and it turns me off of the music immediately.

She pretends to be "humble" and "down to earth" but she does everything in her power to be more than that.

She made it out like her twin pregnancy was the hardest thing anyone has ever done and that she was so strong for going through it. Some women have triplet pregnancies that they work every single day of to make ends meet.

She gives her daughter literally anything she wants, that kid is gonna be a fuckin train wreck in 12 years. Drugs, porn, and jail will reign heavy in her teenage years if they don't start teaching her that she can't always have everything she wants.

She pretends to be a goddess and a queen in all of her social media presence, she literally is the embodiment of a "god complex"

I'm sure you dont believe based off my username, but I hate how she is worshipped. Her music is overrated and she gets off on being better than people.

Feminists please dont jump down my throat,
as I'm one of you and I'm with you. But I believe her 'queen' status and how she is untouchable is largely based on the respect for Jay Z. When I was about 14, I saw Avril Lavigne in concert (no judgement) and Destiny's Child opened for her. Beyonce tripped and felt flat on her face. This was after all their hits, and they were in decline. Then she starts with Jay Z and over the years they are together becomes this queen. I'm more than open to someone proving me wrong on this, but it's always been my perception.

Lastly, she faked her first pregnancy. Let me know if you need a link to where her 'baby bump' moves all over the place. She had such a platform at that point, she had the opportunity to erase some of the stigma on not carrying your own child, for whatever reason a woman has. But instead she lies to the public. I'm getting off topic here, but I feel like she is hailed as this shining light for women, and I feel like it's a sham.

she’s like demi lovato or arianna grande, super mainstream, basic artists that also happen to be female, so they somehow represent some female empowerment or some shit, not exactly sure what exactly gives them this status, but i agree with you

There's almost nothing likeable about her as a person. She's about half as talented as most at the top of her profession, married to a mogul.. yet still worshipped by the masses of women. I'll never understand it either.

THANK YOU! Glad to know I'm not the only one. Literally, every time I share my opinion of her, people give me a death stare and just answer with "BeCaUsE sHe Is QuEn!!!" Like...what does that even mean?

She is insanely talented and I enjoy quite a few of her songs, but I’ve never been more than a casual fan of her. Everyone’s entitled to their music opinions...unless it’s something slightly critical about Beyoncé.

I dont think her music is that good, she has a good voice technically, and she is a very good dancer, but I don't care about dancing or her music so I don't think she's god's gift to the world or anything

I always say this. She is so elitist. I get it, her and Jay-Z are extremely talented and produce amazing music/content overall. But she acts like she lives in a separate world than everyone else. I think celebrities (ex. Kim K with prison reform) have an unmatched platform to create positive change. But Beyoncé acts like she cannot be bothered by the rest of the world. She is unrelatable and revels in that.

One thing that particularly bothered me was her last minute support of Beto in this past fall’s Texas Senator race against incumbent Ted Cruz. Many celebs came out to voice their support and make efforts for Beto and the Democratic Party. Beyoncé, a Texas native, posts a photo of herself wearing a Beto hat on Instagram ON ELECTION DAY ITSELF. She does the absolute least and gets glorified for it constantly. I am so over her.

her music is just an echo and easily drowned out by today's pop music. her attempt to stay relevant is comical and pathetic

on Instagram how she presents herself, I believe, is a testament to her arrogance. she doesn't follow anyone back, her pictures are aloof, only of herself, and an honest depiction of excessive wealth

on Instagram how she presents herself, I believe, is a testament to her arrogance. she doesn't follow anyone back, her pictures are aloof, only of herself, and honestly an honest depiction of excessive wealth

She shouldn't be worshipped, she is not a queen, her songs are simplistic and wouldn't work if she didn't strut around half naked, she's got fake hair and doesn't warrant anyone saying "how dare you" because, really, she does suck and only remains culturally relevant because people are dumb enough to follow her influence -which is baseless.

Worst thing abt her without mentioning the fandom is that she claims to be all for feminism but her merch line or clothes or whatever are made by little boys and girls paid barely living wages in malaysia

Beyoncé WAS good. Back in 2009 or whatever but now her music is just as vulgar and trashy like the majority of hip hop artists. I don’t understand the obsession with being so raunchy these days. She seems like a powerful person, but what she’s giving off to young people is insane. That’s just my opinion tho

Sorry I worded that badly. I don’t know the general age of this sub, but kids my age are obsessed with artists like her or Cardi who promote themselves the way they do. Not saying that she’s targeting them, but the young admire her indecency for some reason

When you put her in the same category as Cardi B is where you lose me. Cardi B was an literal stripper and a huge part of her image is based on that fact. Cardi B literally swings on a pole in full stripper regalia in her music videos. Beyoncé was very demure and even prudish by comparison until her self titled album in 2013. Even after that, Beyoncé is a nun compared to Cardi B.

THANK YOU I saw her performance at Coachella and could not for the life of me figure out why people freak out about her. Females and their worshipping and empowering of certain females like Beyoncé and Jenners/Kardashians are sickening. I don’t worship any dudes like they’re a God

When she was pregnant it was just over the top narcissistic ego. You would think that there had never been a pregnant black woman before. She was the first, and demanded that we all worship at the altar of her belly.

Literally every female pop singer calls themselves a queen or whatever. It gets tossed around so much that its lost all meaning. Beyonce's singing isnt superior to most famous female singers. The majority of her songs are obnoxious. And politically her ideas are terrifyingly not thought out. Might be an unpopular opinion but I despise her as a person.

Didn't I just see this earlier? This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion. Beyonce has never really been anything that special, but beyond that she's blown out of proportion by everyone, especially the "stereotypical" gay man. If you say that you don't care about Beyonce in front of straight women and gay guys, they all look at you like you stabbed a basket full of kittens. The world needs to fucking move on from Beyonce already.

She stands up for women empowerment, but some of her clothing brands have products made by women in sweatshops. Imagine the irony of being that woman and spending your life making shirts that say "Who run the world? Girls!".

I might be living under a rock. But honestly i check the Spotify top songs every now and then and mostly follow what's happening. But i never heard anyone mention beyonce since years not even close to a queen

I think she can sing, and she is pretty, but her genius is in production and promotion. She wasnt even the best looking or best singer in Destiny's Child, yet here she is. Kelly would be on top if looks and talent were all it took to be number one.

I dont think this is an unpopular opinion (at least i share your opinion strongly). She makes songs more geared for women. What kind of guy would find a girl amazing whose attitude towards men is “put a ring on it” and “everything you own in a box to the left”?

She's okay and she does have some bops but I think that it's more like a social expectation to think she's cool . I don't know the last time she actually released any music or the last time I listened to it either.

I didn't like Beyonce when I was younger until I realized the only reason I didn't like her was because I was in the middle of my r/NotLikeOtherGirls phase and I resented her for being mainstream. Then I realized she was actually a pretty captivating performer, and I actually liked her music when I let myself enjoy it without all the pressure of distancing myself from stereotypical womanhood. This isn't really an argument against the OP, just my 2 cents on her.

Couldn't agree more. I feel like "older" people that remember her first in Destiny's Child and being in Austin Powers etc don't see her the same way as people that are younger and saw her just as this solo empowered woman act.

The thing that pisses me off most about her is the arrogant persona she has created. She is the one that nourishes this "queen" attitude. And it's one thing if she's using that to promote important causes and to raise awareness etc, but it really just comes off as "look how hot and rich i am, worship me". Why would I want to idolize someone who is just flaunting how much better they are than me?

It's a prevalent thing in the world today, everyone is all concerned with "respect" and being "respected" but no one has any reason to be. What has Beyonce ever done to garner our respect? What is there to idolize about her? Congratulations, you became incredibly wealthy and famous. Let me shower you with even more praise

I think we're all getting a little sick of this conceited, self-centered, "look at me" culture that people like Beyonce and the Kartrashians have created. She is being worshipped like some kind of deity, and for what? What actual contribution is she making to humanity? It's so annoyinnnng 🙄🙄🙄 shes definitely the most overrated celebrity of our time.

I remember watching some rewards show where Adell won like album of the year or something...

When she went on stage to accept the reward apparently the white guilt was flowing through her veins. She proceeded to then start sucking Beyoncé’s dick for five minutes while she was simultaneously cucking out hard core saying how she didn’t deserve the award and how it should have gone to Beyoncé because she was such an inspiration to her black friends.

she is an amazing performer and definitely one of the few who can sing and dance at the same time she is very talented and has a great voice but it's her actual music what is underwhelming and makes her overrated, her music is not something out of this world, she hasn't released music as good as Janet Jackson or Madonna and yet people try to put her above them which is ridiculous, same with her video

she is an amazing performer but her music and videos are nothing to write home about

I’ve hated her since middle school. I used to stay up all night to watch music videos on MTV (the only time they played music videos in those days) during summer break and they played her videos way too much and I hated it. Naughty Girl sent me over the edge.

Music is subjective. I’m not a big fan of her style so my opinion on it is not valid. However I don’t understand the whole queen and woman power stuff when she wrote a whole album about how JZ cheated on her and how she’s so strong and took him back. I’m seriously at a loss. It seems like a huge marketing ploy imo. Controversy that gets fans behind her, then make an album about it, forgive him, go on a family tour? They’re a power couple where financial and for their careers it makes more sense to stay together and when people forget about them even a little, rehash some controversy to get people talking again. She also trashes her husband in a few songs. The father of her children, her life partner. Getting emotional and saying something is one thing, but to record it, tour it, and then create a Netflix concert/movie with songs from it is just continuing to rub his face in it, and there’s no way the children can look at them as a loving couple once they understand the scope of what she’s done. (edit: both of them, I’m not excusing the cheating, I’m just saying a strong independent woman like she claims should have had no trouble kicking him to the curb instead of keeping him around to use as a punching bag)

There’s two scenarios I see here: it’s all made up, or they are just stating together because it would tank both of their careers if they had a divorce, cause it would be messy.

It's insane how toxic some of her fans are, especially on twitter. I remember someone saying how they feel like her Netflix movie is being shoved down their throats due to all the ads about it. The Beyhive went INSANE and started calling OP racist, insulting them, sending death threats, etc.

I will agree with this is the sense that all music, actors, reality tv stars etc. are not that amazing. It’s cool you have a talent but you’re not out here saving the world and I’m not going to idolize and/or worship you.

I don’t really care much for Beyoncé myself, but I recognize that her being such a huge, worldwide icon is significant to a lot of young black girls. I think that being able to see a black woman in a position of power such as hers is really important to those groups who don’t see much representation of themselves in general.

I remember when Adele won record of the year and defeated Beyonce and she was like, oh I don't deserve this, it should have gone to beyonce, blah blah blah. I hated that because Adele, girl, you're fucking talented and worked hard for your shit, enjoy it because you have earned it! Beyonce is overrated as fuck and she wouldn't have done the same if it was her.

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Beyoncè matters more to people as a symbol as an artist. She’s living proof that a black woman can be a world-conquering superstar in the same way someone like Madonna was.

EDIT: Obviously other black women have been very successful, but were any of them as famous as Elvis? Micheal Jackson? Madonna? I would argue Beyoncè is the first black woman to be on that level of fame.

Beyoncé matters more to people as a symbol as an artist. She’s living proof that a black woman can be a world-conquering superstar in the same way someone like Madonna was.

I love all of them no doubt, but you could argue a similar thing about Madonna. She’s also not as talented as her contemporaries, but she’s well remembered as an icon. All of them are famous, and many of them arguably more talented than Bey. To make my point I’m going to make another comparison- James Brown versus Elvis. Both great performers who made great music, but while Brown’s music has lived on, his persona, has lived on less so. Non-music people almost all know Elvis, a lot of them may not know James Brown. While Janet, Aretha, Whitney, etc. are all amazing, they’ll live on through their music, while I would argue Beyoncè will live on through her persona, as a sort of mythological figure like Elvis.

I love all of them no doubt, but you could argue a similar thing about Madonna. She’s also not as talented as her contemporaries, but she’s well remembered as an icon. All of them are famous, and many of them arguably more talented than Bey. To make my point I’m going to make another comparison- James Brown versus Elvis. Both great performers who made great music, but James Brown never had a #1 hit, and while his music has lived on, his persona, has lived on less so. Non-music people almost all know Elvis, a lot of them may not know James Brown. While Janet, Aretha, Whitney, etc. are all amazing, they’ll live on through their music, while I would argue Beyonce will live on through her persona, as a sort of mythological figure like Elvis.

She is. She’s not amazing to your specific tastes but to ignore her amazing talent and work eithic is being purposefully ignorant because you have no real reason to actually dislike her. And people are blaming her for what the Hive does are also being ignorant. Fans don’t always reflect the star.

I've only became a Beyonce fan right after Lemonade and HOMECOMING came out on Spotify and I have to say both those albums are honestly great. Lemonade with its themes of her failing relationship and empowerment and HOMECOMING for being such an ambitious project not only musically and instrumentally but also the choreography and stage direction.

I haven't really listened to any of her other projects and what I've heard so far doesn't really stand out for me but I have to say to ignore here talent is pretty messed up

Fact of the matter is her vocal range is insane and she’s an amazing performer. She’s definitely extremely talented. Whether or not you vibe with the music is dependent on the beholder, but she’s undeniably very talented. Am I her biggest fan? No. But I get the hype.

Insane? No. Insane would be Axl Rose, Prince, Mike Patton, Mariah Carey or even Celine Dion. These singers have between 5-6 octaves. Beyonce is at 3.5, which is great and respectable but nothing insane for a professional singer.

I think she’s pretty inspirational even if you don’t love her music. She works her ass off and seems pretty interested in helping people despite being pretty far removed from it. And does it with a smile. People could learn a lot from that approach in life.

More broadly it’s much better to celebrate other people’s idols than be the depressant cynic. The former builds friendships. The latter builds walls.

Edit - the nihilist reddit crowd obviously hates this. The world should burn

Yeah, I have to agree. I watched her HOMECOMING performance on Netflix and really was amazed by the amount of effort she put in to make the live performance perfect. Choreography, live instruments, and singing for everyone had to be basically be perfect.