mayIFark:40 or so years from now, what would Iraq/Afgan veterans do in these type of situations?

/Just a hypothetical question.

Depends on the guy. Me (Iraq 06-07), I'd probably tell him to fark off, because I'd rather die for something than of something. But that's some braggadocious BS; nobody knows what they'd do in that situation until they're IN that situation.

FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

FTA: When the gunman held the gun up Rutledge said, "Why you wanna rob me? Why don't you get a job? What I got, what I get, what I spend in this store, I earned it! I said if you gonna shoot me then shoot me. I got a wife and three kids that you'll have to take care of."

mbillips:Depends on the guy. Me (Iraq 06-07), I'd probably tell him to fark off, because I'd rather die for something than of something. But that's some braggadocious BS; nobody knows what they'd do in that situation until they're IN that situation.

I am afraid that you may be on the wrong website, what with your "realistic points" and all.

/the correct answer is "I'ma stab him with my katana sword since swords are better than guns at close range"

mbillips:mayIFark: 40 or so years from now, what would Iraq/Afgan veterans do in these type of situations?

/Just a hypothetical question.

Depends on the guy. Me (Iraq 06-07), I'd probably tell him to fark off, because I'd rather die for something than of something. But that's some braggadocious BS; nobody knows what they'd do in that situation until they're IN that situation.

You are 100 percent on. There are non-military people that rise to the occasion, and there are well-trained (I guess) military people that fold like crappy poker hands.

Avery614:FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Avery614:FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Hell I tried to join the military as I graduated college in 2008 with a focus on residential design. I even tried to sign up SPECIFICALLY to learn discipline and responsibility. Turns out they still didn't want guys who were deaf in one ear (at least, Marines didn't). My ASVAB score made my recruiter sit up and say "Well, you're not a bullet sponge." (only a 96, I know, 80% of Fark scored 99, but I was there with a bunch of guys who failed previously to get into the army with a 30 cutoff)

Sure there's lots of stuff I could do in the military, but taking orders from the left is not one of them. Not everyone is cut out for military service, and they could put other soldiers in danger by being out there. Sure, I could probably be a nice bit of help, but I can't get into the military, and there is no system in place for people who could provide a logistic advantage and yet a tactical disadvantage. At least, that's how it seems, I did only try one branch. And I'm 30 now, so I've got 6 months or so I think before I can't even try to get in.

Sure it works conscription works if your military is the size of Sweden or North Korea, but here you'd have people faking congenital defects to get out of combat jobs.

Avery614:FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Conscription policy?

No.

The nation simply needs to raise and discipline their own farking kids.

Besides, outside of Infantry organizations who can't afford to follow the political correct bullshiat policies espoused by our limp-wristed citizenry, the military is no longer a place of "discipline". Now it's about "equality" and "diversity" so the weak, stupid, and undisciplined can throw the race / gender card, and NOW they have the sexual orientation card to play as well.

You know what....fark it.

You're right.

Draft the motherfarkers. With all the bullshyte the military has to put up with due to political correctness, it doesn't really matter any more.

At least a draft will take some of the burden off the shoulders of those who actually volunteer to fight, as opposed to those who treat service as little more than welfare in uniform, doing as little as possible from the safety of a FOB or office.

Ashtrey:Avery614: FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Hell I tried to join the military as I graduated college in 2008 with a focus on residential design. I even tried to sign up SPECIFICALLY to learn discipline and responsibility. Turns out they still didn't want guys who were deaf in one ear (at least, Marines didn't). My ASVAB score made my recruiter sit up and say "Well, you're not a bullet sponge." (only a 96, I know, 80% of Fark scored 99, but I was there with a bunch of guys who failed previously to get into the army with a 30 cutoff)

Sure there's lots of stuff I could do in the military, but taking orders from the left is not one of them. Not everyone is cut out for military service, and they could put other soldiers in danger by being out there. Sure, I could probably be a nice bit of help, but I can't get into the military, and there is no system in place for people who could provide a logistic advantage and yet a tactical disadvantage. At least, that's how it seems, I did only try one branch. And I'm 30 now, so I've got 6 months or so I think before I can't even try to get in.

Sure it works conscription works if your military is the size of Sweden or North Korea, but here you'd have people faking congenital defects to get out of combat jobs.

Btw, by 'taking orders from the left' I mean 'hearing things said on the left side of my body' not anything political.

While I was hiding in an archives today, I read a newspaper article from ten years ago about a guy who tried to mug a retired Texas Ranger. The ex-ranger apparently subdued and cuffed the moron in less than a minute (although why a 70-year-old retired Ranger was still carrying cuffs was not fully explained).

He could just as easily have been shot and killed. I hate when the media sensationalizes this kind of bullshiat. This old dude was not a hero, he was not brave, he didn't have "brass balls", he was stupid. He got lucky this time. If there's a next time, he may end up in a casket instead.

rebelyell2006:While I was hiding in an archives today, I read a newspaper article from ten years ago about a guy who tried to mug a retired Texas Ranger. The ex-ranger apparently subdued and cuffed the moron in less than a minute (although why a 70-year-old retired Ranger was still carrying cuffs was not fully explained).

Ashtrey:Ashtrey: Avery614: FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Hell I tried to join the military as I graduated college in 2008 with a focus on residential design. I even tried to sign up SPECIFICALLY to learn discipline and responsibility. Turns out they still didn't want guys who were deaf in one ear (at least, Marines didn't). My ASVAB score made my recruiter sit up and say "Well, you're not a bullet sponge." (only a 96, I know, 80% of Fark scored 99, but I was there with a bunch of guys who failed previously to get into the army with a 30 cutoff)

Sure there's lots of stuff I could do in the military, but taking orders from the left is not one of them. Not everyone is cut out for military service, and they could put other soldiers in danger by being out there. Sure, I could probably be a nice bit of help, but I can't get into the military, and there is no system in place for people who could provide a logistic advantage and yet a tactical disadvantage. At least, that's how it seems, I did ...

rebelyell2006:While I was hiding in an archives today, I read a newspaper article from ten years ago about a guy who tried to mug a retired Texas Ranger. The ex-ranger apparently subdued and cuffed the moron in less than a minute (although why a 70-year-old retired Ranger was still carrying cuffs was not fully explained).

Avery614:FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Hagenhatesyouall:Besides, outside of Infantry organizations who can't afford to follow the political correct bullshiat policies espoused by our limp-wristed citizenry, the military is no longer a place of "discipline". Now it's about "equality" and "diversity" so the weak, stupid, and undisciplined can throw the race / gender card, and NOW they have the sexual orientation card to play as well.

This story makes me happy that my father was a Korean War vet who was also drafted. When times are tough, and right now they are, I feel so guilty having to ask him for help, of course he's always willing, but I just feel like he's sacrificed so much, I could never match that. I plan on taking the long drive next weekend to surprise him for Father's Day. I'm glad these old vets are still around, and I think ultimately this kid's life will change after this event, hopefully.

rebelyell2006:(although why a 70-year-old retired Ranger was still carrying cuffs was not fully explained).

My 75 year old first ex wife's dad was a retired ranger.He carried cuffs and guns.I was a green cop when I married his daughter.I didn't mess with him.He didn't mess with me.he was glad to have her out of the house.

cuzsis:Yeah...I read several sentences past that before I figured it out.

/then I lol'ed.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to make any sort of political statement, I was just saying that our military was not set up for people who can help out a lot, yet who maybe wouldn't be someone you would want in a quiet huddle 50 yards from a target. ("dude, what did you say?")

Hell, maybe Stephan Hawking would be a badass commander, but he would be a shiatty rifleman. (not that I'm even close to that smart, please do not read this as me thinking that I am).

Ashtrey:Avery614: FTA-Rutledge just doesn't understand the mentality of people like Malone. "What is wrong with them? I got drafted to go to Vietnam, I didn't have a choice. They got all the opportunities in the world now to make something of themselves but they don't want it," he said.

This is not a popular stance by any measure but this is as good an example as any as to why I think this country needs a conscription policy. If you want to live here and take advantage then you need to serve the country. Have objections to combat or a physical condition that makes you unfit for soldiering? That's fine, there are plenty of non-combat positions in the military. I think two years is plenty, 18-20 you belong to Uncle Sam. I think it could go a long way towards instilling discipline and responsibility in the younger generations, in addition to exposing them to many more life possibilities as a young adult. If you're wondering, yes I'm still young enough to be drafted, should they ever reinstate it. (30 is young enough I think...)

Hell I tried to join the military as I graduated college in 2008 with a focus on residential design. I even tried to sign up SPECIFICALLY to learn discipline and responsibility. Turns out they still didn't want guys who were deaf in one ear (at least, Marines didn't). My ASVAB score made my recruiter sit up and say "Well, you're not a bullet sponge." (only a 96, I know, 80% of Fark scored 99, but I was there with a bunch of guys who failed previously to get into the army with a 30 cutoff)

Sure there's lots of stuff I could do in the military, but taking orders from the left is not one of them. Not everyone is cut out for military service, and they could put other soldiers in danger by being out there. Sure, I could probably be a nice bit of help, but I can't get into the military, and there is no system in place for people who could provide a logistic advantage and yet a tactical disadvantage. At least, that's how it seems, I did only try one branch. ...

Yeah, I never really understood some of the gov. M.O. in regards to the military. IMHO we could use a branch of the "military"(in dept. location only) that handles things specifically not combat related. Engineers, mechanics, logistics, hell even doing work at home (I know I know taking more jobs from people) that states either neglect or cannot afford to do, infrastructure stuff, roads, power grid, bridges etc. That way people who could not otherwise can now contribute.

Besides, outside of Infantry organizations who can't afford to follow the political correct bullshiat policies espoused by our limp-wristed citizenry, the military is no longer a place of "discipline". Now it's about "equality" and "diversity" so the weak, stupid, and undisciplined can throw the race / gender card, and NOW they have the sexual orientation card to play as well.

You know what....fark it.

You're right.

Draft the motherfarkers. With all the bullshyte the military has to put up with due to political correctness, it doesn't really matter any more.

At least a draft will take some of the burden off the shoulders of those who actually volunteer to fight, as opposed to those who treat service as little more than welfare in uniform, doing as little as possible from the safety of a FOB or office.

That looked like an abridged version of the conversation where I came to this conclusion.......

While you may be right, the 13th amendment was adopted on December 6, 1865 and the Vietnam draft occurred during a period of conscription in the United States from just before World War II to 1973, I'm thinking they could get around that again.