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why modern men hate women

I think this is a very funny article and makes me feel really sorry for the guys… I am aware that male Kia members may not associate with presented image of men but I am sure you agree that this is how “male stereotype” thinks. I can definitely associate that with couple of men I know…
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html?wa_user1=2&wa_user2=Sex&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=trending_now

@hippi “I am aware that male Kia members may not associate with presented image of men but I am sure you agree that this is how “male stereotype” thinks. I can definitely associate that with couple of men I know…”

I find it really sad that people prefer to adapt such a sorrowful mask rather than act from within. This applies just as much to men as to women. And indeed I do not associate the presented image of men with a human of any kind actually. I do not even agree with it completely as a stereotype, although I know what you mean when you say that you know people behaving like this. I avoid them if I can help it- they get on my nerves.

@fenris23 I like you calling these a narrative or a script floating in society. I totally agree with you on that. I would also say we not only shouldn’t accept them but also we should challenge them in our own life whenever possible. Only through getting rid of such crap we can learn about our true selves.

I must say, reading the article didn’t make me laugh at all except for the bit about ‘Frodo getting Sam.’ . I appreciate the light style of it. This must be possibly the only difference between it and what I heard about feminism and misogyny during lectures about gender politics at my university.

This point of view (presented in the article) to me seem so one sided. It demonize men in general and present them as unable to think cock-slaves, traumatized by mommy’s tits the moment they were born. The article in itself treats it with humor but academia takes this matter very seriously and this is why reading it didn’t amuse me. There is so much literature going on about male trauma and antagonism to women and male tendencies to violent behaviour. I see it as an extreme point of view and not facts.
I had a good look into feminism and gender studies and a lot of writing on this seems to serve a matriarchal propaganda against men. I think this article might be a bit like it but aimed at people who would be put of by academic language and indeed at men.

This was fed to me in last three years like a gospel. If you try to challenge this way of thinking about men the assumption follows that you do not understand or you are a poor brainwashed female who doesn’t notice injustice.

I find it interesting how people focus on problem with portrayal of women and omit problems with representations of men. In light of this article we can ask why extreme feminists hate men? (more honest than generalizing it to all women My experience tell me they do so because men have all that they desire -money and power. Here the circle closes.

Why so many people are interested in differences between sexes? It’s a matter of perspective. In my experience I often find more in common with men than women. The differences always are to do with social stereotyping. You can argue what was first the egg or the chicken but I don’t see the point in trying to enforce the difference.

I may be talking really personal in here but since I am in relationship with @Anton I worked through so many stereotypes. I prefer to talk about my own faults so I will say I assumed so many things about him just because it fitted in with male stereotypes. Even after 4 years of getting rid of these assumptions I still catch myself doing this. We grown so much as a couple during these 4 years and I know for myself that we wouldn’t have if not for the constant challenging of my preconceptions about gender roles and other stereotypes.

I always thought of myself as very independent woman. At the moment our relationship could be viewed as a stereotypical one between man and woman with Anton as a ‘head’ of family giving financial support and me being the typical housewife. I don’t feel this would be an accurate description yet I can see how other could perceive us this way. You tune in what you already know as R.A. Wilson would say.

If you want to stereotype someone you just have to ignore the subversive aspect to them. Take away the individual and analyze the collective- the empty shell. My interest lies with the individual human being as a unique personality and spirit.

To me this article didn’t really say that men are evil it was rather a collection of different cultural influences that create and strengthen the antagonism. I don’t think the author really hates women neither he claims that most men do. I believe that the purpose of the article was to express some serious issues in a humoristic way, just like the other article about what rich people say.

As regards gender differences- I have no doubt they exist, whether it is cultural or biological it is hard to say. I know for sure that Anton is very different to most men I know and you are very different to most women i know. So am I (at least that’s what people keep telling me.) I don’t think any of us are good examples here.

Since I’ve always been a bit of a tomboy I spend lots of time around men and I see that they rarely feel relaxed around their girlfriends. Women expect men to be clean, shaved, nicely dressed etc. They expect them to watch their language and get offended if a man farts in their presence. In consequence women make men feel stressed. One guy i know said once “I wish I was gay”- the only reason he goes out with girls is because he feels sexually attracted to them. This must make him feel shit about himself and his sexual drive…

Also old role model of a man as a protector of women and head of family is no longer there but some elements of this model are still present what creates lots of confusion. For example lots of women still expect men to pay for their meals,nights out and taxis back home. Lots of men see that as part of the mating ritual- man has “buy into” woman’s favours and as a reward he will be allowed to fuck her. To me this is retarded since women get just as much pleasure from sex but lots of women believe they can not seem easy as otherwise men will not respect them.
I guess someone could easily write an article about why modern women hate men…

@Lolita “At the moment our relationship could be viewed as a stereotypical one between man and woman with Anton as a ‘head’ of family giving financial support and me being the typical housewife. I don’t feel this would be an accurate description yet I can see how other could perceive us this way.”

I don’t think that anyone would ever say “I’m a walking stereotype”- everyone’s life is different. However when you look at the society as a whole certain patterns emerge- for example that on average men get paid more or that women do more housework. I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as it doesn’t lead to gender discrimination. We need to remember that women have been repressed for centuries and in many countries they still are. Even now there are lots of sexist opinions kicking around. It’s been proven that most employers given a choice between man and woman with similar qualifications always choose a man. If I remember correctly in UK it goes in this order: first job goes to British men, then British women, then foreign men and last foreign women. Statistically speaking it is not surprising that Anton earns more then.

I agree that lots of feminists take things too far but i believe that gender equality is still a fiction.

@hippi I can see your point about income disparity, but on an individual level there isn’t really much anyone can do about it. It’s not like for example, @lolita and I could decide to balance this out somehow. And its not like I should simply reject her as a partner and seek someone with a similar income to myself.

Nor would it be constructive for us as a couple if @lolita started resenting my higher income and blaming me for it, or if I got resentful of her not having a job (if for instance it takes a while for her to find one after finishing her degree). This is simply the situation we have found ourselves in.

The current authoritarian system has given men certain economic and political advantages. Go back a few thousand years however and you can find evidence of authoritarian matriarchies that were just as tyrannous. One thing authoritarian systems do, and have always done, is to divide people into special interest groups against each other. Divide and rule, the Romans called it. Gender division becomes one such means. When the ‘ruled’ are divided and suspicious of each other, and fighting other groups of the ‘ruled’ the rulers need not fear.

The answer to this problem is to stop fighting each other, and to abolish authoritarian rule altogether. When we abolish inequality in general, specific inequalities, such as gender inequality, will vanish as they are symptoms not causes.