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Re: Pierce Being Shopped

I knew we should have tanked after the brawl this year... we could be trading our high draft pick for Paul Pierce.

I think some of you haven't seen Ronnie play in so long that your last image of him has skewed your perception of his game. Ron Artest is very arguably a Top 10 player -- Top 15 AT WORST. Don't confuse your anger/disappointment at Ronnie with his game. There's a reason we were titled a championship contender with him, and lost w/o him.

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While we're talking about cost, how many games did Pierce cost his team last season because he was suspended? How many games has he cost his team because he's been suspended over the past 4 years?

Yes Pierce has had problems with coach's, he has a problem with Doc now. But how many times has he gone to the press & said he didn't know if he wanted to stay with the team because he wasn't happy with the new rules?

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While we're talking about cost, how many games did Pierce cost his team last season because he was suspended? How many games has he cost his team because he's been suspended over the past 4 years?

Yes Pierce has had problems with coach's, he has a problem with Doc now. But how many times has he gone to the press & said he didn't know if he wanted to stay with the team because he wasn't happy with the new rules?

Paul Pierce has had quite the attitude problem over the years. Though not quite as bad as Ron, let's not make PP out to be a saint here. He would drive the anti-Artest ppl just as crazy with his antics.

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In 2003, though, I do disictly remember watching Al Harrington get dogged by Pierce for much of the game. Surely, we all remember the one shot. The dribble, the stare, the dribble, the stare ... and then, the jumper in Al's grill.

I've read way to many stories out of Boston about how Pierce is disrespectful to basically everyone.

Re: Pierce Being Shopped

I think some of you haven't seen Ronnie play in so long that your last image of him has skewed your perception of his game. Ron Artest is very arguably a Top 10 player -- Top 15 AT WORST. Don't confuse your anger/disappointment at Ronnie with his game. There's a reason we were titled a championship contender with him, and lost w/o him.

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Paul Pierce has had quite the attitude problem over the years. Though not quite as bad as Ron, let's not make PP out to be a saint here. He would drive the anti-Artest ppl just as crazy with his antics.

Thats the overstatement of the year.

Paul Pierce actually plays an entire season without getting suspended, believe it or not.

"Anti-Artest" people are upset mostly because Ron does things to get suspended. That's something Pierce simply does not do.

I'll give you those, and only Amare based on his recent offensive prowess against the Spurs. Though Amare's defense was still lacking for the most part, and his offense would probably be considerably less on a team like the Pacers, who emphasize defense over offense.

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I'll give you those, and only Amare based on his recent offensive prowess against the Spurs. Though Amare's defense was still lacking for the most part, and his offense would probably be considerably less on a team like the Pacers, who emphasize defense over offense.

The other players, Ron is near or at the level of.

Come on, like them or not, Kobe and Tmac are amazing basketball players. Ron is not on their level.

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Very few get suspended every season (Ron was suspended many times in 02-03, a game in the 04 playoffs, and of course this year).

No players get suspended the entire year........except Ron.

Like your list was flawed, there are several players not in the same class as Ron, this is more nonsense, unless you want to call the "flagrant" he got in the 04 playoffs that cost him a game really a foul.

If you do then I suggest that you look at some of the footage from it, and you will see that that was another really bad call.

Why is it yet again that a thread gets turned into Artest bashing? is that all you can think of?

Pierce is not a good fit for the Pacers, will never be a Pacer and is in general overrated, why else would teams trade him yet again? There is a reason his name is oince again in whispers on possbile trades, even for a pick no less, really shows his value.
There is more to that then you might think.

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Come on, like them or not, Kobe and Tmac are amazing basketball players. Ron is not on their level.

TMac is inconsistant, but at his best, he's better than Ron.

Kobe fell off quite a bit this year.

Ron showed in the few games he played this season that he has the ability to nearly score at will if he wants to, as well as the ability to shut down nearly anyone he can stay in front of. I hope he isn't too rusty next year.

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Like your list was flawed, there are several players not in the same class as Ron, this is more nonsense, unless you want to call the "flagrant" he got in the 04 playoffs that cost him a game really a foul.

If you do then I suggest that you look at some of the footage from it, and you will see that that was another really bad call.

Why is it yet again that a thread gets turned into Artest bashing? is that all you can think of?

Pierce is not a good fit for the Pacers, will never be a Pacer and is in general overrated, why else would teams trade him yet again? There is a reason his name is oince again in whispers on possbile trades, even for a pick no less, really shows his value.
There is more to that then you might think.

Truly great players step it up a notch once traded. Shaq, Vince, TMac, and Kidd are great recent examples of this, not to mention JO and Ron. As for Pierce, we'll see how he responds if he's sent packing.

Those 15 players are EASILY better overall players than Ron Artest. If you took Ron over any of them, you'd be crazy.

and with the exceptions of lebron, amare, and wade....they all make over twice what ron makes and in many cases 3 times what ron makes....

like it or not this is a business.....and the simple fact u compare him to these guys only make it more obvious of his value.....i dont agree with all of these on this list...but thats really irrelevant....what is relevant is that he is comparable to these players....hes an allstar and dpoy....all these others are basically allstars....yet rons salary is on par with a role player...which allows us tremendous flexibility....in this case to overpay austin...lol...

find a guy whos making 6 million a year thats not on a rookie contract....compare ron to those guys and see what u think....its no contest....if u want to get rid of ron its simply a personal issue...it has nothing to do with performance or the business of basketball....

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Truly great players step it up a notch once traded. Shaq, Vince, TMac, and Kidd are great recent examples of this, not to mention JO and Ron. As for Pierce, we'll see how he responds if he's sent packing.

TRULY great players don't need the motivation of getting traded in order to be great.

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and with the exceptions of lebron, amare, and wade....they all make over twice what ron makes and in many cases 3 times what ron makes....

like it or not this is a business.....and the simple fact u compare him to these guys only make it more obvious of his value.....i dont agree with all of these on this list...but thats really irrelevant....what is relevant is that he is comparable to these players....hes an allstar and dpoy....all these others are basically allstars....yet rons salary is on par with a role player...which allows us tremendous flexibility....in this case to overpay austin...lol...

find a guy whos making 6 million a year thats not on a rookie contract....compare ron to those guys and see what u think....its no contest....if u want to get rid of ron its simply a personal issue...it has nothing to do with performance or the business of basketball....

Would any GM be stupid enough to hand the franchise to Ron and give him a max size contract?