Comments on: Pouliot’s postseason award picks: American Leaguehttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:48:20 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: deaninajijichttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587851
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:00:34 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587851Where would the Tigers be without Miggy, probably 2nd place. Where would the Angels be without Trout, probably behind the Astros for gods sake. Miggy’s .958 fielding is not great especially for a guy who doesn’t get to a lot of balls, guys like Machado etc get to. Trout is a damn good outfielder with an excellent arm. All I’m saying is it’s real friggin close, not a runaway in VALUE as you seem to think!
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:48:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587841I bet all those guys sitting watching every defensive play can tell exactly how every ball comes off the bat
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:03:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587810More like he was helping his team play ABOVE .440 ball, since if you replace him with an average player they probably end up much closer to 70 wins than 80.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:38:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587721Hey! >:(
]]>By: Jeremy Thttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587674
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:56:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587674It says “valuable to the team”, but then it clarifies “that is, strength of offense and defense”. Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:46:04 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587659Awards like these are for losers. The only thing that matters is who wins the World Series in the end. And that of course will be the Red Sox.
]]>By: Reflexhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587622
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:13:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587622AL MVP = Trout
AL Cy = Iwakurma or Darvish
AL RoY = Archer

Yeah the Tigers are good, but I don’t think any of their players are the best picks for the hardware. Even in the Cy contest I think Sanchez is better than Scherzer, although its close.

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:03:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587613Actually most people know the Tigers have a very good pitching staff. They also know without Miggy they also lose a lot of 2-1 type of games.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:23:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587579They don’t matter somehow because they weren’t printed in box score of the paper for over a hundred years.
]]>By: moogrohttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587575
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:20:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587575Unfortunately, the MVP memo states “valuable to the team,” not best player. So we’re stuck on controversy-land forever, probably the way the voting writers prefer.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 18:10:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587571Citation needed? OK, fine…I cite every comment made on this site by a sabremetric fan…
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:59:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587558Of course nbc garbage would pick a non playoff team like trout bc he can steal bases over the MVP and would be triple crown winner if he stayed healthy miggy.

No, zzalapski, because most of the sabremetric arguments consist of a series of
bald assumptions piled on top of one another divided

[citation needed]

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:28:11 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587525I was merely debunking the myth that Miggy is the sole reason for the Tigers’ success (or failure) and that because his team is going to the playoffs, he is the reason why and should be the MVP because of it. But you go ahead and read into it what you will.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:22:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587519you should judge dancing with the stars, they complain about feer leaving the ground all of the time too.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:19:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587514No, zzalapski, because most of the sabremetric arguments consist of a series of
bald assumptions piled on top of one another divided—or sometimes multiplied—
by pseudo algorithms…Honestly, reading this stuff is like watching scenes from
The Big Bang Theory….nerds playing with themselves…like the show, it’s
pretty funny…
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:16:55 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587509Most teams have good outfileders to chase down balls to prevent runs, what’s your point.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:48:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587484In addition, if Park Factor is so important, than why is Trout’s home/away splits almost identical? While on the road, Trout hit for 7 points higher average, 1 more homerun, 37 more ab, 25 ops, 2 less walks, 9 more doubles, 19 more rbi, 14 less on base.

So just from that alone, I would say Anaheim seems to be slightly less doubles friendly. That’s about it.

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:42:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587481Relating park factor to hitting is almost almost as terrible as relating wins to pitching. Park Factor relies too heavily on the rest of the lineup, which in the Angel’s case dramatically underperformed last year. Take a look at Camden Yards. It’s Park Factor fluctuates year to year, dependant on the quality of the Orioles lineup this year. This year people jumped up and down and hollered that it’s was a hitter’s park. Yet, two years ago, when the Orioles were not hitting so many home runs, people weren’t saying anything. Park Factor is a flawed statistic and should be taken with a grain of salt.
I also have a major problem with a statistic where in the description of how they arrived at the statistic the following sentence is uttered: ” These weights seem arbitrary, but maybe he had a good study to base them on.”

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:34:09 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587479*sigh* This is the problem with most people Pro-Trout. People keep putting words into my mouth, instead of discussing the actual argument. I NEVER said I was combining Davis and Cabrera. And I didn’t exactly pick those two players out of a hat. I said BOTH of them INDIVIDUALLY had a better year than Trout.

And again. I never said defense doesn’t matter. I said both Davis and Cabrera’s offense far out-surpassed Trout’s defense. Trout’s defense, which, was not so much better than Davis and Cabrera as people would like to have you believe.

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:27:34 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587472I have to say that the RoY was well called, but whats with the MVP voting? Who was really most valuable? Why isn’t the actual MVP being mentioned? Lets face it, without Iglesias, the Tigers would have had to play with only 8 guys on the field. He basically saved their season! And he hit better than half the team in the process. But even more importantly: He saved *two* playoff teams seasons. People seem to forget that Stephen Drew and Wil Middlebrooks both missed significant time for the Red Sox. And who stepped up? Why yes, Iglesias. And with panache, flair and style to boot!

Then, after the Red Sox recovered, Iglesias being the magnanimous guy he is, noticed the Tigers with a serious situation, an impending suspension and a hole at short as a result. Now does he stick with the team that he knows is going to the playoffs, or does he assume all the risk and engineer a trade to where he is most needed? Of course the latter. And then he almost single-handedly saves their season!

Come on, why stop with RoY? If Ichiro can slap hit his way to a RoY and MVP in his first season, surely Jose deserves the same. How many players can claim to have saved not one, but two teams playoff hopes in a single season?

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:17:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587467Question: Why do you insist on comparing Trout to a hypothetical Davis/Cabrera combined player? Neither of those guys would be ‘better’ in everything than a combined Davis/Trout or Cabrera/Trout either. To be most valuable does not mean “leads in every single stat” it means that on balance they produced the most value in the league.

I find it odd that you picked two other players and combined their stats for a hypothetical ‘best of’ player using Cabrera’s stats where convenient and Davis’ where convenient. Of course Trout isn’t better than that. Neither would either of the other two guys if you changed the mix.

Also, preventing a run is every bit as valuable as producing a run. Which is why defense matters.

]]>By: grumpyolemanhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587449
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:53:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587449so you would suggest taking a .300 hitter like vmart out of the lineup
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:26:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587436I thought it was “Most Bestest”
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 15:09:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587418He agreed to move over to a position where he is no longer qualified and Jim Leyland supported it.

Either Fielder or Cabrera should be at DH every single night. Cabrera’s bWAR this year would be 9.0 instead of 7.6 if he had stayed OFF the field. So his ego may be in check, but he doesn’t belong at the hot corner.

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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:54:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587413Posnanski relayed a Bill James argument a few days ago that compared it to the Ace of Spades vs the Seven of Diamonds. There might be situations where the 7 wins the hand for you, but in and of themselves, the ace is always the more valuable card.
]]>By: zzalapskihttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587395
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:24:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587395Authentic gangsters don’t dabble in professional sports five months out of the year. It’s a 24/7/365 gig, man.
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Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:17:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587390Was he a wannabe gangster? Seems to me anyone with that many bodies on him qualifies as an authentic gangster.
]]>By: yahmulehttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/01/pouliots-postseason-award-picks-american-league/comment-page-1/#comment-587388
Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:16:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=498117#comment-587388The reason I love Mike Trout so much is that he cares about who wins the AL MVP way less than most of his fans. I think Trout understands that he and Cabrera are both great players having great seasons. He has always been somewhat deferential to veterans, so I can see him accepting Cabrera getting the benefit of the doubt in a close race. I also think he knows there is plenty of hardware in his future.

If I have one regret about this season, it’s that I didn’t watch Mike Trout play more baseball. I won’t complain if Cabrera wins MVP, but I hope it goes to Trout.