Let me translate what this nice poster means, "I have no idea so I am going to spout meaningless words untill you get disgusted and go away."

Please, if you think you know how misled I might be, do the right thing and tell me. I need to know what a terrible path I am being led down. I need
to know why the teachings of brotherly love and charity are wrong. I need to know why I should not help someone in need. Please tell me with all
your gread wisdom, what it is you know and I don't.

'Genuine' brotherly love and charity are not to be found behind closed doors in secret societies or "society with secrets" as members of such
organizations so fondly call the organization to which you walk with.

That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on
Earth rather than a chosen few.

I think it's quite accurate on describing what is really happening behind the scenes.

98% of these groups I believe do not even know what runs the engine.

A few percent are in the know the rest are unknowingly brainwashed participants just like many religious groups are out there.

No pun intended to those in these groups. I think free masons are some of the greatest people on earth from the one's I've met, they are full of
charity, kindness, helping those in need however angels can also unknowingly participate in rituals which they do not understand. That is how I see
it, we have good people being led by a small percent of bad who have masked the real intentions.

'Genuine' brotherly love and charity are not to be found behind closed doors in secret societies or "society with secrets" as members of such
organizations so fondly call the organization to which you walk with.

That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on
Earth rather than a chosen few.

I'm sorry but who died and left you arbiter to mete out the definition of what qualifies as "'Genuine' brotherly love and charity"? You're
welcome to your opinion of the same. But appreciate that it's your opinion and yours alone, not a universal, incontrovertible truth.

Masonry teaches is adherents to do charitable works for their own sake and not for any personal glory or recognition. Masonry isn't alone or unique
in giving that guidance nor does it claim otherwise. To blindly suggest that what goes on in-Lodge is "not genuinely good for every human being on
Earth" is to speak from personal ignorance masquerading as genuine concern.

That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on
Earth rather than a chosen few.

would that be refering to the few that chose to join the fraternity? It's not like you have to be royalty, or a specific bloodline to be a mason.
You just have to be a non fellon who thinks there is a force greater than he. (ie. God or some form of higher power) Oh, the priceless look on the
faces of all these fear mongers if they were to ever see what really goes on inside the blue lodge. You would show up with your newest copy of how to
cook little children with rice, and be a bit disapointed.

There are many books debating the subject of a KT-FM connection. I would guess that "Physical Proof" would be a little hard to come by because if
you were being persecuted and hunted like wild dogs you wouldn't want there to be "proof" of your connections because your life was at stake!

Read books by many authors and I think you can see the very real possibilities in the connection. Ever look at flags and coat of arms much?

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so
many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

They're not in denial. They just have to follow their rules, which means deflection, denial, and all that jazz.

So the real question should be, why do we keep asking freemasons to share secrets of the craft, when we know good and well that any good freemason
would do no such thing. I for one am tired of playiing merry-go-round with them, and have actually come to respect that they follow their rules so
adamantly.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so
many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

They're not in denial. They just have to follow their rules, which means deflection, denial, and all that jazz.

So the real question should be, why do we keep asking freemasons to share secrets of the craft, when we know good and well that any good freemason
would do no such thing. I for one am tired of playiing merry-go-round with them, and have actually come to respect that they follow their rules so
adamantly.

you know why its a merry-go-round? ready.........THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN FREEMASONRY. What?!?

It's true sorry to disappoint you, but there are really no secrets in freemasonry, and the only thing that is considered "secret" is the Modes of
Recognition and the signs and handshakes, but that's just so we can identify each other.

What secrets would you like to know? Do you know want to know our ritual? Easy go to Barnes and Noble and pick up "Duncan's Ritual" or lurk the
internetz more to find it. Want to know what we talk about at our "secret" meetings? Fine go ahead and ask we all discuss the same thing pretty much
at our meetings and that is, what we are doing this month, and what we are serving at our next dinner and breakfast. They are extremely boring to be
honest.

Btw, i would love to see a connection of the Freemason's to the Historical Knights Templar. i have been to Roslyn and have been to the chapel. ALSO
little know fact about Roslyn Chapel. There is a Masonic Lodge across the street. haha i was trying to go in and visit some brethren but no one was in
the lodge.

A family member of mine recently became a freemason - his friend that helped him join told me some tale about the knights templar when I asked him
about the organization.

Now whenever my family member goes to Freemason stuff I tease him about "Reptilians." All I really care about is does his membership qualify me for
some of that excellent secret freemason gold?!

All I know, from a boring, non-conspiracy theory standpoint, is that it's basically a big back-scratching networking club for men. Oh and they sit
in throne chairs which I have actually seen first hand. It's an ego boosting thing - which must be good for male morale especially when the economy
is in the dumps.

Originally posted by mysterybee
All I know, from a boring, non-conspiracy theory standpoint, is that it's basically a big back-scratching networking club for men. Oh and they sit
in throne chairs which I have actually seen first hand. It's an ego boosting thing - which must be good for male morale especially when the economy
is in the dumps.

So if attending lodge meetings is so excruitiatingly boring and void of intellectual discussion, WHY do you continue to meet as lodges? Better yet,
where does the passion for the craft come from? You all so obviously are proud of your memberships, there must be SOME REASON you cling to this boring
past-time.

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