Topic: One Brit's view on the demands from Islam

Sorry I only managed to get about half way through it before I got tired of the "its everyone else's fault but mine BS", seems to me (and this is just my opinion) that on one hand he makes light of the Saudi human rights commission (which I admit is funny) and yet gets all septic over a Muslim dentist exercising his prerogative to not treat someone.

If he (and others) have an issue with a supermarket not selling alcohol, certain products or contraceptives then go to another supermarket, if his doctor or dentist doesn't meet his requirements find another, this process of just sitting around bleating on about the nasty Muslims taking over their country just doesn't cut it.

Basically it strikes me that if you are going to allow yourself to be bullied when in a position to do something about it then you deserve all you get.

March 4th, 2008

mmarsh

I am not a Brit, but living in Europe I will say a few things. I go there from time to time however as its only 2 hours away.

First we he says 'Europe', thats a very general statement. Not all countries have the "bent over for multi culture political correctness" that countries like the UK, Denmark, and the Netherlands do. While not above not making a few accommodation's for Muslims for minor things, they will take a very hardliner stance if Muslims try and dictate their will others, including Muslims who are secular. One thing nice about the French, they HATE religious extremism of every type. The recent headscarf ban scandal was a reminder to the Muslim community that FRENCH law is the first law of the land.

Compare that to last month, when The Archbishop of Canterbury proposed that Sharia law be used in a few select issues such as Muslim divorce instead of British law...Just how moronic is that? In France the Archbishop would have been lynched with his own rosaries for making that suggestion. Therein lies the difference.

Oh and BTW, many small grocery stores in Paris are run by Arab Muslims and they have no problem handling a bottle of wine or beer. Sheria only prevents the consumption of alcohol. So it goes to show you the level of PC idiocy things have descended to in places like the UK. Its almost as if hardliner Muslims are doing it on purpose to see how far certain Europeans will humiliate themselves for the sake of being PC.

I don't blame the Muslims, I blame ourselves. Nobody respects a coward. You can respect another culture without being totally submissive. Its OK to say "NO" from time to time.

Moving on, He is quite right about the OIL-A-GARCHS in Saudi Arabia, but he missed the key point. The problem isn't the Saudis. The Kingdom of Saude didnt just spring up overnight. Somebody put them in charge. Namely, American Foreign policy and our addiction to cheap gas. We put these people into power, we protect them, we finance them, we insure that their every whim is satisfied. Is it any surprise that they view us as beneath contempt and bully us? Oils up to $103 a barrel and here we are kissing their a** begging them to drop the price. I will say that this is really specific to the Saudis and Kuwaiti oligarchs (another US ally, surprise?), the rest of the Arab world HATES the Saudis, as they few everybody else in the world as their serfs, and they treat them literally as such.

The only way out, is to ween ourselves off oil COMPLETELY. The Saudis know this (because frankly they are much smarter than we are) which is why their little imps in Washington (such as the current POTUS, the Neocons, and in the oil lobby, do everything to make sure that doesn't happen. We could have been off oil 20 years ago if we had a few more decend peopel in Wshington.

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March 4th, 2008

A Can of Man

This is the general impression when I visited France lately. They got their heads screwed on straight.

March 4th, 2008

DTop

I'm amazed how you manage to lay everything including one man's spiel about cow towing to Muslims in Britain on America. That guilt trip is an old unfounded ploy. Sure we should find alternative fuel sources, but the Dems are not proposing federal finding for me to put solar panels on my house that I know of. Blame it on the global oil interests if you must. And you'd do well to lay off the "neocon" label for everyone who's not a registered Democrat. It doesn't do much for your side of the discussion.
I'm sure that the allowances afforded to Muslims in Britain are just a case of good intentions being taken advantage of by the very people they're supposed to help. I don't presume to be in a position to dictate what Britain should do but maybe the Brits will soon decide that it's time to rein in the allowances.

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Originally Posted by MontyB

Basically it strikes me that if you are going to allow yourself to be bullied when in a position to do something about it then you deserve all you get.

A point well made Monty.

March 4th, 2008

Del Boy

Good post MM - I agree with most of what you have to say, except i would not lay the oil issue at the door of this particular US administration.
But nevertheless, oil must go, and I fail to see any other than USA leading the way on that development.

In fact I can assure you that this video is an accurate reflection of the general attitude of our people towards the sorry state brought about by the last ten years of ridiculous socialist government ; and it gets worse day by day. This guy is only scratching the surface, he is obviously a reasonable and tolerant man stirred to speak by circumstances.

His opinion should be respected, he speaks the truth.

I have refrained from reporting examples of late because I don't want to keep banging on here, but let me assure those who who continually sneer at such reports regarding Islamist and Jihadist threats to our
lives and liberties are just whistling in the dark and pretending it is not happening; they are not walking the walk so should stop talking the talk.
They know nothing of the problem and therefore their opinion on the subject is as good as worthless when they try to dismiss informed and
lived experience.

Once again we a load of pompous old cods-wallop from MonyB, who makes his usual sweeping judgement at exactly the same time as admitting that he hasn't listened to the content of the video. I therefore will not pay him the respect of of a reply, except to say that EVERY tired unworthy point he makes is nothing but clap-trap. I am surprised that he has not already branded the man a racist for having something to say.

I am not having a rant by any means, just laying it on the line for the video guy, who I applaud, and for the squeaky heckler at the back.

March 4th, 2008

MontyB

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

This is the general impression when I visited France lately. They got their heads screwed on straight.

I think the French have done a pretty reasonable job of late with regards to managing a multi-ethnic society.

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Once again we a load of pompous old cods-wallop from MonyB, who makes his usual sweeping judgement at exactly the same time as admitting that he hasn't listened to the content of the video. I therefore will not pay him the respect of of a reply, except to say that EVERY tired unworthy point he makes is nothing but clap-trap. I am surprised that he has not already branded the man a racist for having something to say.

I am not having a rant by any means, just laying it on the line for the video guy, who I applaud, and for the squeaky heckler at the back.

You claim you have had 10 years of poor government that has led to these problems.
How many elections is that three?

If the government is failing as badly as you say why are they still in power?

I can only assume that either your opinion is the minority or that the British are electoral sheep, you tell me what other excuses there can be that would allow your opinion to be the majority while not electing a government to represent you.

I can tell you this, if I felt that New Zealand was being over run I would be doing all in my power to reverse the trend, I wouldn't be supporting businesses that promoted this sort of activity, I would be gathering as much support in the political arena as possible to see that councils, local authorities and national governments were aware that that this was not acceptable I certainly wouldn't be here bleating on about.
This is a home grown problem and the only solution to your problem is you.

March 4th, 2008

DTop

Del Boy, I'm glad to hear that he isn't the only one getting fed up by this turn of events. I'm just surprised that thing have gone that far in Britain. I'm sure the time will come when the British people will express their displeasure during the next election.

March 4th, 2008

A Can of Man

Amen to that MontyB. The country is the PEOPLE'S responsibility. Couldn't have said it better myself.
But in terms of racial tension, I've been to England on many occasions and from my experience, it's gotten much worse. Now it's only one man's experience so I can't say it's definitely the whole picture but that's the piece of the puzzle I got to see.
In France, racial tension seemed MUCH improved. And that's actually quite surprising considering what's going on in the world.

If the government can't do their job, don't whine about it. DO SOMETHING about it.

March 4th, 2008

Del Boy

Hey that video ain't whining! I see plenty of whining on here re. Geo. W. and the American admin. etc.etc.etc.