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on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:35 pm

We stay in game.Still talking shit. How there KD might go down but their W/L wil go up. We point out we have a higher W/L. They then point out their K/D is higher.

We get the guy on our team again that went 2-14.

Game ends we win. We win 7500-7000. Guy on our team went 2-17. Not only did he go 2-17, he dropped a CP and it was an Osprey Gunner - which of course was jacked from him and picked up by one of the shit talkers on the other team.

This guy goes 19-15. With an OSPREY GUNNER. Loses. And still talks shit.

Ive lost faith in the COD COMMUNITY. At least man up and admit defeat when you get your ass handed to you.

on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:40 pm

Considering I play alone 99% of the time, I never plug in my microphone because the lobbies are filled with d*uchebags who want to talk shit. On the rare event that I come across what I claim to be an exciting match, I do tend to send out quick "Good Game" messages at least. Although I seldom get any response.

Kaz makes a good point though, it happens to everyone. We're all more willing to find some external justification for our defeat rather than accept that someone could possibly be a better player.

And sometimes we are right by claiming that said external justification is the cause of our problems. Whenever I'm defeated in Black Ops I can easily point out and count how many Famas are being used, how many players are using Ghost, how active my team was, etc etc. The point is, I can justify that I put myself at a disadvantage in the first place, and that doesn't make me a worse player.

But we can't be right everytime. Sometimes we are too stubborn to admit that whatever we tried to do was obviously not going to work in the first place. If I keep getting killed by the same player, I'll always try to look for revenge no matter how illogical. Meet cognitive dissonance: When two thoughts conflict with each other, one must be altered.

The two thoughts "I'm a good player" conflicts with "but I was just defeated", therefore one must be changed. And since we're not going to change our attitude, we change the environment instead, "My team sucks", or we quit because "I didn't want to keep playing this game anyway".

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:50 am

Considering I play alone 99% of the time, I never plug in my microphone because the lobbies are filled with d*uchebags who want to talk shit. On the rare event that I come across what I claim to be an exciting match, I do tend to send out quick "Good Game" messages at least. Although I seldom get any response.

Kaz makes a good point though, it happens to everyone. We're all more willing to find some external justification for our defeat rather than accept that someone could possibly be a better player.

And sometimes we are right by claiming that said external justification is the cause of our problems. Whenever I'm defeated in Black Ops I can easily point out and count how many Famas are being used, how many players are using Ghost, how active my team was, etc etc. The point is, I can justify that I put myself at a disadvantage in the first place, and that doesn't make me a worse player.

But we can't be right everytime. Sometimes we are too stubborn to admit that whatever we tried to do was obviously not going to work in the first place. If I keep getting killed by the same player, I'll always try to look for revenge no matter how illogical. Meet cognitive dissonance: When two thoughts conflict with each other, one must be altered.

The two thoughts "I'm a good player" conflicts with "but I was just defeated", therefore one must be changed. And since we're not going to change our attitude, we change the environment instead, "My team sucks", or we quit because "I didn't want to keep playing this game anyway".

I agree with EVERYTHING you said because I do it too. That "Good Game" thing brings lots of good friends. Not those selfish trash talkers.

Although, whenever I am beaten, I like to see how the enemy team played. If they played fair or did not camp, I will do nothing. If the did a 3+ men camping spot, I will quit. Not because I can’t kill them but my team always walks in their camping spots and provide them with killstreaks. I admited defeat many times and that’s where the next advice comes into play.

"Judge yourself while you judge yourself". Ask yourself, why are you mad at this defeat? Answer it and then see/hear your answer from the other team point of view. And then from the view of a by stander. You will then see that the fight is between one cool headed person and screaming kids therefore, useless. But, you need to see both arguments nonetheless. That’s the best way I can say it. Hell, I can’t say it any better than this!

After that, you will find who is right and who is wrong. Of course, if you are wrong just admit it. Otherwise you are lying to yourself and yourself alone. Also, be ready to call your friends wrong if they are cheating/camping.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:11 am

So I played a few games with a random I picked up the day before. When Moose and I were playing, it took 1 game about 2 minutes in to realize he was one of us. Not using a bitch class, always on the zone, and screaming at teammates in kill cams to help out.

Game ended 7500-7420 (DZ) and he just said, damn that was close. Then blew up on his team. How do I finish with over 5000 pts and we lose! Look at our score, none of you were helping!

Told Moose, we were picking him up. He was thankful.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:25 am

I have no problems (IRL) admitting when I've been beaten, I take it as a learning experience

out of my 320 losses on MW3, I don't think a single one of them can be taken as a learning experience, because that would mean that I'd have to play like the untalented cowardly corner sitting f**kfaces that constitute 99% of the community. I will not say "good game" because it would be a f**king lie. There is no "good game" anymore, it's a bunch of pussies hiding in a corner. It's a good game when we stomp the lazy f**ks, and it's bullshit when we lose, because we remember how it used to be. That's why we rage, that's why they don't deserve any credit for winning. Put some work into your game/life, stop letting other people do it for you and maybe, MAYBE, I'll show some respect.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:22 am

Its easy to pass judgement on someone very early in the game. Are they moving? Are they using beginner set ups meant for johnny 5yr old? Are they looking over a box every time you see em? Do they average more than 700 pts a TDM or 1 flag cap per 1000 kills?

Thats why so many get hollered at for being douchenuts. Alot of the 'better' players from earlier COD titles changed to these players. New comers see it and emulate it thinking that's how you should play.

Just like the 12 yr old telling us he's playing solely for kills and going negative every single game at bottom of charts because the YT'ers do it.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:58 am

...or the douchebags from BO in HQ, going 50-6, 65-10, 42-9, etc, but losing the game 250-0.

....or the current crop of idiots who will go into DZ, never hit the red, stand outside and snipe for a 40 kill game.

Both groups have the gall to holler at us for our KD's....meanwhile they got thier sht pushed in so deep it made their breath smell like sht.

Seriously, the devs can fix this by making objective captures a mandatory requirement, and if the programming picks up on a player with 65 000 kills and 1000 domination flag captures, they just ban his ass from the mode, or spawn him in with a Swiss Army Knife.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:31 pm

@Kaz--Money wrote:...or the douchebags from BO in HQ, going 50-6, 65-10, 42-9, etc, but losing the game 250-0.

....or the current crop of idiots who will go into DZ, never hit the red, stand outside and snipe for a 40 kill game.

Both groups have the gall to holler at us for our KD's....meanwhile they got thier sht pushed in so deep it made their breath smell like sht.

Seriously, the devs can fix this by making objective captures a mandatory requirement, and if the programming picks up on a player with 65 000 kills and 1000 domination flag captures, they just ban his ass from the mode, or spawn him in with a Swiss Army Knife.

I honestly don't mind people only going for kills as long as their team is winning. The players that won't touch an objective while they're losing is what drives me crazy.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:30 pm

look at these ***** i ended up with the other day. I topped the lobby and my buddy (on my account) was right behind me. I spent all game trying as hard as possible to get the win while we were spawn trapped and had enemy air support up all game pretty much.The enemy team tried to give us some smack after the game yet me personally, am more than than happy with the final score after having the worst idiots ever helping me.I don't say gg anymore, usually ends up with a mouthful of abuse from a 3 year old.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:47 pm

The thing is, how often do you actually feel as if the other team is better than yours? If you play in a party, normally never. I send good game messages every so often, when I so they are well deserved. But if you lose with randoms, the vast majority of the time it's not your fault. Like in that game Booster posted, it clearly wasn't his fault that his team lost.

When a team beats you by playing like complete scrubs, the fact that you lost is irrelevant. If they have to play cheap to win, then they don't deserve the win.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:03 pm

@Kaz--Money wrote:...or the douchebags from BO in HQ, going 50-6, 65-10, 42-9, etc, but losing the game 250-0.

....or the current crop of idiots who will go into DZ, never hit the red, stand outside and snipe for a 40 kill game.

Both groups have the gall to holler at us for our KD's....meanwhile they got thier sht pushed in so deep it made their breath smell like sht.

Seriously, the devs can fix this by making objective captures a mandatory requirement, and if the programming picks up on a player with 65 000 kills and 1000 domination flag captures, they just ban his ass from the mode, or spawn him in with a Swiss Army Knife.

I honestly don't mind people only going for kills as long as their team is winning. The players that won't touch an objective while they're losing is what drives me crazy.

Except, the vast majority of those "playing for kills" will do so irrespective of the score. If they lose, it's their teams fault. If they win, they want credit for being the one who took them there, in spite of doing nothing that made the score number increase.

Farmers are farmers and they farm no matter what. Winning is incidental, or, accidental.

Play to win, and once you've contributed to wrapping that up, then whore it up. But going 50-2 with zero caps, behind in Dom 158-179.....hop on a fcking flag and make the win happen....don't panic about compromising your kdr and leave the winning up to everyone else.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:07 pm

@Kaz--Money wrote:...or the douchebags from BO in HQ, going 50-6, 65-10, 42-9, etc, but losing the game 250-0.

....or the current crop of idiots who will go into DZ, never hit the red, stand outside and snipe for a 40 kill game.

Both groups have the gall to holler at us for our KD's....meanwhile they got thier sht pushed in so deep it made their breath smell like sht.

Seriously, the devs can fix this by making objective captures a mandatory requirement, and if the programming picks up on a player with 65 000 kills and 1000 domination flag captures, they just ban his ass from the mode, or spawn him in with a Swiss Army Knife.

I honestly don't mind people only going for kills as long as their team is winning. The players that won't touch an objective while they're losing is what drives me crazy.

Except, the vast majority of those "playing for kills" will do so irrespective of the score. If they lose, it's their teams fault. If they win, they want credit for being the one who took them there, in spite of doing nothing that made the score number increase.

Farmers are farmers and they farm no matter what. Winning is incidental, or, accidental.

Play to win, and once you've contributed to wrapping that up, then whore it up. But going 50-2 with zero caps, behind in Dom 158-179.....hop on a fcking flag and make the win happen....don't panic about compromising your kdr and leave the winning up to everyone else.

Completely agree, I think this is what Bama is meaning though.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:21 pm

@Kaz--Money wrote:Except, the vast majority of those "playing for kills" will do so irrespective of the score. If they lose, it's their teams fault. If they win, they want credit for being the one who took them there, in spite of doing nothing that made the score number increase.

Farmers are farmers and they farm no matter what. Winning is incidental, or, accidental.

Play to win, and once you've contributed to wrapping that up, then whore it up. But going 50-2 with zero caps, behind in Dom 158-179.....hop on a fcking flag and make the win happen....don't panic about compromising your kdr and leave the winning up to everyone else.

That's why I said that it pisses me off when players are strickly going for kills while their team is losing. Heck it even pisses me off if a game is close, but if you've got a very comfortable lead then I'm perfectly fine with playing some "TDM" in an objective game mode. YouTube has made this problem MUCH worse over the past couple of years. If you look at a lot of high kill gameplay, you'll see that the YouTuber treats the objective like it has the zombie virus LOL. Everyone likes having high kill games, but it doesn't mean jack shit if your team loses.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:01 pm

That Envy guy (130-0 flawless video) never caps a flag but has 200+ kill games all the time.

It's boring as fck to watch and requires nothing other than a team not willing to cap flags (not hard finding in MW3) , not willing to really leave own spawn (again, not hard to find) and a spawn trap of the enemy.

There is about as much challenge as a Demo trap in his games.You shoot spawning players before they can do anything. yaay.

They should make a TDM with a higher kill cap.....then watch the supah stars try to run that game there.

They won't because everyone in the lobby is tyrying to accomplish the same thing.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:07 pm

We found Moose, and Alpha found that other dude...it can happen, but 2 people in like, 3 years shows how shallow the talent/personality pool is.

LOL. But on the serious side, you guys have been like a family here. When all the bullshit settles and were just sitting in a lobby talking about random shit, I honestly can only think of a handful of times in my life when Ive laughed harder than when Im online. This place started out as a place to talk about gaming, but for me at least has evolved into much more than that.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:22 pm

@Kaz--Money wrote:That Envy guy (130-0 flawless video) never caps a flag but has 200+ kill games all the time.

It's boring as fck to watch and requires nothing other than a team not willing to cap flags (not hard finding in MW3) , not willing to really leave own spawn (again, not hard to find) and a spawn trap of the enemy.

There is about as much challenge as a Demo trap in his games.You shoot spawning players before they can do anything. yaay.

They should make a TDM with a higher kill cap.....then watch the supah stars try to run that game there.

They won't because everyone in the lobby is tyrying to accomplish the same thing.

Oh Envy is a proven cheater, all of his gameplays have dyers in them. Complete and utter joke. Ignore anything he puts up, it's all boosted.

One thing I will say is that most people who are good at killing in dom are good at TDM also. It's the actual playing of objectives that they usually struggle with, not killing.

on Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:21 pm

@moosedawg06 wrote:LOL. But on the serious side, you guys have been like a family here. When all the bullshit settles and were just sitting in a lobby talking about random shit, I honestly can only think of a handful of times in my life when Ive laughed harder than when Im online. This place started out as a place to talk about gaming, but for me at least has evolved into much more than that.