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I'm just trying to defend my point, and it's not like anyone else is adding to the conversation, and we're not really detracting from this thread which lately seems to consist of

- MEDAKA IS EVIL RAWR RAWR
- ZENKICHI IS AWESOME WOOT WOOT!
- SHUT UP PEOPLE WHO THINK ZENKICHI IS AWESOME BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ILLOGICAL FANBOYS

What's another pointless conversation hurt?

Sorry, I forgot the part where he implied anything like that. You're just assuming stuff from one panel from a spoiler with little context.
And anyway

"Whats the point of Kumagwa going to the bother of distinguishing minus's from him if he was simply an abnormal"

SIMPLE. He's an abnormal, what does being a special abnormal have anything to do with anything. Anyone who isn't a Minus wouldn't know how Minus think and act. That's why he said it.

Lol, I agree. Generally the whole Minus thing didn't make much sense. So it's just "evil" abnormals? Is it the opposite of an abnormal? And then there's the whole "personality makes the abnormal". From what I recall, Munakata had the potential to be a minus, but his personality makes himself an abnormal. Perhaps there's a distinction with having an abnormality/minus ability, and actually being one or the other.

Just a random thought, but who thinks Shiranui should have been a token normal along with Zenkichi? Or at least, not have her classification revealed so early. I think she's perhaps the most unfathomable character and someone who has a pretty consistent animosity towards Medaka.[/QUOTE]

Lol, I agree. Generally the whole Minus thing didn't make much sense. So it's just "evil" abnormals? Is it the opposite of an abnormal? And then there's the whole "personality makes the abnormal". From what I recall, Munakata had the potential to be a minus, but his personality makes himself an abnormal. Perhaps there's a distinction with having an abnormality/minus ability, and actually being one or the other.

Just a random thought, but who thinks Shiranui should have been a token normal along with Zenkichi? Or at least, not have her classification revealed so early. I think she's perhaps the most unfathomable character and someone who has a pretty consistent animosity towards Medaka.

Well, the way the characters describe it, being a "Plus" means being somehow fundamentally stronger than Normal people, while being a "Minus" means being somehow fundamentally weaker. The Minuses always describe themselves as being the weakest people in the world, despite their ability to kick ass. "Not-Equals" are on an entirely different level that can't be described with words like "strong" and "weak".

I do agree that Shiranui is confusing -- the only things that are certain about her character are her fondness towards Zenkichi and her hatred towards Medaka.

I do agree that Shiranui is confusing -- the only things that are certain about her character are her fondness towards Zenkichi and her hatred towards Medaka.

Speaking of this why she hate Medaka ...but we don't know why she like Zen so much( I mean...ok she said something about this during the minus arc,but that is it).
We don't know how Zen and Shiranui become friends , I wonder if this arc will answer about this.

I don't think it's all that complicated way she's friends with Zen. He's basically the only person that accepts her, for who she is without attempting to influence or change her in any manner. But most importantly he's probably the only person in the world who would accept anything she does and still be friends with her(since she has absolutely zero qualms about screwing her friends over). Medaka's the exact opposite as she would attempt to influence her and she most probably wouldn't react the same way as zen if she betrayed her.

kuma might fake his death in order to stop the fight? if he really dies... such an important character's death will open up the "negotiation" as he said in chap 119. anyone think of that as a possibility??

kuma might fake his death in order to stop the fight? if he really dies... such an important character's death will open up the "negotiation" as he said in chap 119. anyone think of that as a possibility??

Spoiler for thought:

It's also possible that Munakata might have shot to wound and incapacitate, not kill. If anyone could pull that off, it would be Munakata. Remember, this is the guy who turned Zenkichi into a sword-pincushion without killing him.

Speaking of this why she hate Medaka ...but we don't know why she like Zen so much( I mean...ok she said something about this during the minus arc,but that is it).
We don't know how Zen and Shiranui become friends , I wonder if this arc will answer about this.

I still think Zenkichi joining the Flask Plan was a bad idea just because he's doing what Ajimu wanted him to do. Deals like this never turn out well because the people offering them never have anyone else's best interests in mind.

Bu-bu-bu-bu after Zen beats Medaka and becomes the main character and the manga is called Lord Zen's Box he will reform Ajimu and make her waifu #3 after Medaka and Emukae.

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Anyway It's strange, for first time I looked at some of recent Medaka vs Zen polls as I was browsing through some threads and for the majority I've visited it's extremely, extremely one sided like riduclously so. Precisely how popular is Medaka with the western readers?

She doubles Zen's totals when it comes to favorite characters on MyAnimeList, you can only choose 10 characters out of every anime and manga combined when you make that list. Danbooru also has more Medaka/Misogi uploaded fanart than Zen, but it's not many at all and if Pixiv don't give a shit about Zen it's not like Zen fans can upload non existent fanart. Maybe Zen would beat Medaka down on some dumb ass Naruto forum that talks shit about this thread, try looking at them! Oh wait...

But quite frankly, it doesn't matter what the English fandom think. If there's any popularity poll Nisio will be looking at it's his own Jump polls and both of them have Medaka > Zen and the last one has Kumagawa >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.

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...Hmmm

I can't tell how this'll go.

It's looks like it's set up for yet another Medaka victory, but I can't really tell.

If I had to guess on the outcome, I'd say when they face off it'll end in one of two ways

1. Zenkichi defeats her making Medaka appreciate him, earning him back his place at her side.

2. Medaka defeats him, but stays the same instead of reforming like her other enemies.

(I seriously doubt losing to Medaka would end in him returning to her side as if nothing happened)

Why can't he fight her to her limit and just come short and they reconcile since while he didn't beat her he proved he was worthy of being by her side and maybe now he'll understand her more beyond the point that a stalker would. I still think they'll go with the Zen wins, cue Ajimu mindfucks, Medaka powerup montage, rematch, Medaka win, reconcilation, medaka vs ajimu and zen vs haiten, kumagawa comes back to perform the finishing touch and reclaim the manga as his.

Bu-bu-bu-bu after Zen beats Medaka and becomes the main character and the manga is called Lord Zen's Box he will reform Ajimu and make her waifu #3 after Medaka and Emukae.

Trolling to make people who side with Zen on this get angry. Doesn't say anything interesting about what happened, more like a STFU statement.

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She doubles Zen's totals when it comes to favorite characters on MyAnimeList, you can only choose 10 characters out of every anime and manga combined when you make that list. Danbooru also has more Medaka/Misogi uploaded fanart than Zen, but it's not many at all and if Pixiv don't give a shit about Zen it's not like Zen fans can upload non existent fanart. Maybe Zen would beat Medaka down on some dumb ass Naruto forum that talks shit about this thread, try looking at them! Oh wait...

Again, just trolling trying to incite someone to get angry.

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But quite frankly, it doesn't matter what the English fandom think. If there's any popularity poll Nisio will be looking at it's his own Jump polls and both of them have Medaka > Zen and the last one has Kumagawa >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.

Massive trolling, insulting the english fandom and trivializing their opinions. Again, doesn't say anything interesting about the current situation.

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Why can't he fight her to her limit and just come short and they reconcile since while he didn't beat her he proved he was worthy of being by her side and maybe now he'll understand her more beyond the point that a stalker would. I still think they'll go with the Zen wins, cue Ajimu mindfucks, Medaka powerup montage, rematch, Medaka win, reconcilation, medaka vs ajimu and zen vs haiten, kumagawa comes back to perform the finishing touch and reclaim the manga as his.

Again trolling. Calling Zenkichi a stalker? Serious baiting. No one would seriously call him a stalker; you wouldn't even call him a 'hanger on'. Medaka wanted him with her and Zenkichi didn't even want to get involved in the beginning. That goes against the definition of a stalker. Again, baiting to anger the other side and doesn't say anything interesting.

Trolling to make people who side with Zen on this get angry. Doesn't say anything interesting about what happened, more like a STFU statement.

If you read the thread person who just joined you'll notice that Zen fans have actually said they "emphasize" with him too much as well as some actually thinking my mockery would actually come true.

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Again, just trolling trying to incite someone to get angry.

No it's called answering a question, he asked I answered.

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Massive trolling, insulting the english fandom and trivializing their opinions. Again, doesn't say anything interesting about the current situation.

Trolling? It's called being realistic, the English fanbase is meaningless, heck the Japanese fanbase could be meaningless too if Nisio doesn't give a fuck about other peoples opinions. But one things for sure, Nisio isn't hitting up msg boards in Japan asking what the English fandom think of his manga

WSJ Editor - "Nisio-san!! English readers on Anime suki really like Zen so you should make him the MC"
Nisio - "Fuck I better do that now or my manga will stop selling in Japan and the Japanese readers will make it slide down the TOC causing it to get canceled! I have to make those people who read the manga for free happy!"

It's funny how the Zen fanbase considers the Not Equals Arc boring yet it's the best performing arc period in WSJ for the series....

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Again trolling. Calling Zenkichi a stalker? Serious baiting. No one would seriously call him a stalker; you wouldn't even call him a 'hanger on'. Medaka wanted him with her and Zenkichi didn't even want to get involved in the beginning. That goes against the definition of a stalker. Again, baiting to anger the other side and doesn't say anything interesting.

It's called a joke, I mean Zen has been with Medaka for how long now? And doesn't understand her at all? Yet he can give names to all her "trump" cards? Damn a stalker could've done that

I like how it's fine to talk shit about Medaka all the time but as soon as you do with Zen his defense force jumps out every single time.

If you read the thread person who just joined you'll notice that Zen fans have actually said they "emphasize" with him too much as well as some actually thinking my mockery would actually come true.

The word is "empathize", not "emphasize". As in "empathy for a guy who got beaten to a pulp by someone he loved." And my post at least basically said Zenkichi was making a really stupid mistake, so I don't quite get why you thought that was a "Pro-Zenkichi" post.

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Trolling? It's called being realistic, the English fanbase is meaningless, heck the Japanese fanbase could be meaningless too if Nisio doesn't give a fuck about other peoples opinions. But one things for sure, Nisio isn't hitting up msg boards in Japan asking what the English fandom think of his manga

WSJ Editor - "Nisio-san!! English readers on Anime suki really like Zen so you should make him the MC"
Nisio - "Fuck I better do that now or my manga will stop selling in Japan and the Japanese readers will make it slide down the TOC causing it to get canceled! I have to make those people who read the manga for free happy!"

It's funny how the Zen fanbase considers the Not Equals Arc boring yet it's the best performing arc period in WSJ for the series....

Then why didn't you just say the fandom in the first place as opposed to specifying the English fandom? A fandom that you are presumably part of? By that logic, your opinions are equally meaningless.

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It's called a joke, I mean Zen has been with Medaka for how long now? And doesn't understand her at all? Yet he can give names to all her "trump" cards? Damn a stalker could've done that

I like how it's fine to talk shit about Medaka all the time but as soon as you do with Zen his defense force jumps out every single time.

Stalkers tend to be less obvious. Zenkichi merely hung out with her. The only reason he couldn't understand her was because she can't be understood by normal humans. Heck, early in the series he tried to avoid Medaka because he was tired of her insane antics. Real stalker-like behavior. Calling Zenkichi a stalker and then claiming it was a joke is an insult to anyone who has actually been stalked in real life.

For the record, I'm not a fanboy of Zenkichi or Medaka. Both characters need to have some sense beaten into them. Thankfully, it seems that they will end up doing this to each other in this arc.

I do agree that Kumagawa is awesome. He's just so amusingly crazy. A shame that it seems like he'll be put out of commission for this arc.

If you read the thread person who just joined you'll notice that Zen fans have actually said they "emphasize" with him too much as well as some actually thinking my mockery would actually come true.

No it's called answering a question, he asked I answered.

Trolling? It's called being realistic, the English fanbase is meaningless, heck the Japanese fanbase could be meaningless too if Nisio doesn't give a fuck about other peoples opinions. But one things for sure, Nisio isn't hitting up msg boards in Japan asking what the English fandom think of his manga

WSJ Editor - "Nisio-san!! English readers on Anime suki really like Zen so you should make him the MC"
Nisio - "Fuck I better do that now or my manga will stop selling in Japan and the Japanese readers will make it slide down the TOC causing it to get canceled! I have to make those people who read the manga for free happy!"

It's funny how the Zen fanbase considers the Not Equals Arc boring yet it's the best performing arc period in WSJ for the series....

It's called a joke, I mean Zen has been with Medaka for how long now? And doesn't understand her at all? Yet he can give names to all her "trump" cards? Damn a stalker could've done that

I like how it's fine to talk shit about Medaka all the time but as soon as you do with Zen his defense force jumps out every single time.

Your concerns basically expose you as doing the exact same thing you maintain your opponents to do... Everyone who criticizes Medaka isn't a Zenkichi fan. Everyone who emphasizes with Zenkichi (especially in light of recent events) isn't doing it to hate on Medaka. It doesn't even mean that they like Zenkichi more than Medaka.

Regardless of whether someone's opinion is known to shounen jump doesn't mean it isn't important or valid. Your opinion would matter equally little under the same presumption.

You're doing exactly what I said you were doing.

I also doubt this assumption that all the fans in Japan saw what happened to Zenkichi and applauded Medaka for demolishing her oldest supporter. I also doubt that that none of them felt any pity for Zenkichi. There are extenuating circumstances to her actions, but if you're so concerned about jump's popularity polls it might just be the case that Zenkichi's popularity rises in the next one.

Bu-bu-bu-bu after Zen beats Medaka and becomes the main character and the manga is called Lord Zen's Box he will reform Ajimu and make her waifu #3 after Medaka and Emukae.

She doubles Zen's totals when it comes to favorite characters on MyAnimeList, you can only choose 10 characters out of every anime and manga combined when you make that list. Danbooru also has more Medaka/Misogi uploaded fanart than Zen, but it's not many at all and if Pixiv don't give a shit about Zen it's not like Zen fans can upload non existent fanart. Maybe Zen would beat Medaka down on some dumb ass Naruto forum that talks shit about this thread, try looking at them! Oh wait...

But quite frankly, it doesn't matter what the English fandom think. If there's any popularity poll Nisio will be looking at it's his own Jump polls and both of them have Medaka > Zen and the last one has Kumagawa >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.

Why can't he fight her to her limit and just come short and they reconcile since while he didn't beat her he proved he was worthy of being by her side and maybe now he'll understand her more beyond the point that a stalker would. I still think they'll go with the Zen wins, cue Ajimu mindfucks, Medaka powerup montage, rematch, Medaka win, reconcilation, medaka vs ajimu and zen vs haiten, kumagawa comes back to perform the finishing touch and reclaim the manga as his.

Ahahahahahaha this shit is hilariously, I'm seriously tempted to troll you just to get more butt hurt responses. These tears they taste so good.

Come one more bro I got my popcorn ready.

on the spoiler pics

Spoiler:

when was Kikaijimi deemed so useless by the author that she's needed to be "protected" in order to create dramatic moments. Really is there nothing better he could do with her character. At this point she's pretty much "Kurosaki kun" Orihime tier.

when was Kikaijimi deemed so useless by the author that she's needed to be "protected" in order to create dramatic moments. Really is there nothing better he could do with her character. At this point she's pretty much "Kurosaki kun" Orihime tier.

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She became useless the moment the series became a shonen fighting manga. She is the only Council member who wasn't introduced as a badass fighter.

I just thought of something interesting. And before I get trolled by a Medaka fan, I'm not saying this to side with Zenkichi. I'm analyzing the story.

If Medaka is going to genuinely grow as a character, she needs to be defeated.. Not defeated on a technicality or she was holding back or defeated in such a way that she can come back and get on top again... She needs to be defeated in such a way that there is no way for her to come back out on top, defeated in such a way that it is a genuine defeat. In other words, she couldn't have won and she can't try again and get different results. Also it would have to be a defeat that wasn't a moral victory, unlike how she was psuedo-defeated in the soccer match but it essentially gave her the result she liked. Basically, a defeat that shows that she was wrong, she genuinely lost in the situation, she didn't like the result, she was powerless, she has to acknowledge it and she has to change.

For a while I thought Zenkichi might win out eventually over her 'forbidden god mode' in this arc, but then I realized that would be a pointless victory. Medaka in that case could have always powered up and defeated him. I don't think that would shake her world view. It would be like she just let him win, but she still ultimately had control in the situation.

So, if what I think might happen eventually happens, how in the world could anybody compete with Medaka's true abilities? It seems like a technical impossibility.

Ahahahahahaha this shit is hilariously, I'm seriously tempted to troll you just to get more butt hurt responses. These tears they taste so good.

Come one more bro I got my popcorn ready.

on the spoiler pics

Spoiler:

when was Kikaijimi deemed so useless by the author that she's needed to be "protected" in order to create dramatic moments. Really is there nothing better he could do with her character. At this point she's pretty much "Kurosaki kun" Orihime tier.

Spoiler for 120:

on the spoiler pictures,was Munataka attacking Kikaijima or was it a stray shot?

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Spoiler for 120:

She became useless the moment the series became a shonen fighting manga. She is the only Council member who wasn't introduced as a badass fighter.

Spoiler for 120:

Lets not count Kikaijima out,she has the most unique abnormallity of the student council,she's not strong physically,but she has her lungs,and her voice is strong enough to shatter glass,and she has shown some guts,she's not weak,everyone is just stronger,its as simple as that.

For a while I thought Zenkichi might win out eventually over her 'forbidden god mode' in this arc, but then I realized that would be a pointless victory. Medaka in that case could have always powered up and defeated him. I don't think that would shake her world view.

You oughta stop using this term. There's no such thing as a "forbidden god mode" and it's kinda confusing. "Forsaken God mode" is the right term

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The first pic with Zen trying to escape from Tsurubame while he's rambling about jump and square is hillarious