Rumor of a signing date

Someone I spoke to tonight, who has a friend in the Apostolic Palace, told me the document "will be signed" on 11 November.

The preceding rumor is a rumor.

Okay, this is third hand. I will ask the questions about whether or not what was meant is that the document would be merely signed on 11 November, but not promulgated, or it will be promulgated as well.

Well…I’ve always thought it would be on 9 nov on the feast day of the dedication of the lateran basilica…of course this is strictly just my own thought…not even a rumor…just really wishful thinking on my part and i found a day on the calendar that i thing would be most appropriate for such a promulgation…let’s continue to pray, fast and make penance….

Well, November 11 is the Memorial of St. Martin of Tours; And St. Martin is listed as a patron saint of France and a patron saint of Germany! So given all of the public fuss made by the French clerics and bishops regarding rumors (and who knows how many facts) concerning Pope Benedict’s plans to “liberate” the TLM and reform the Pauline Rite, perhaps St. Martin of Tours is just the man to have watching over that day’s document signing and consequent “fireworks!” … It’s just a thought.

More on the St. Martin of Tours, Nov. 11, TLM liberalization “fittingness” …

This could just be me trying too hard to see a data pattern where there is none, but consider:

St. Martin of Tours is listed as a patron of France (no particular city or region of France specified).

St. Martin of Tours is listed as a patron of Mainz, Germany.

In an article, whose author seems not at all sympathetic to traditionalists and the TLM, the following statement is made concerning the Wetern Catholic Church’s liturgical history: To bring this review to a fitting close, let us recall that the so-called Tridentine Mass is not the original Roman Rite. It is a hybrid of Roman and Gallican elements that first made its appearance in the diocese of Seez, France, then in Mainz, Germany, whose bishop brought it to Rome when he was elected pope, Leo IX in the llth century. It was then popularized throughout Europe by the Franciscan Friars with their handy missals and breviaries …

Does anyone know if that statement is at least historically accurate? If it is then that fact is very interesting because …

There exists in Normandy, France an historically important Benedictine abbey which is known as St. Martin of Seez! Does anyone know if that St. Martin is a local saint of Seez, or was/is this abbey in Seez under the patronage of St. Martin of Tours?

And on top of these facts linking St. Martin to Seez and Mainz, and Seez and Mainz being possibly historically linked to the TLM, a German-born Pope is presently in a bit of a public “fray” with a number of French bishops and priests!

November 11 is the 56th anniversary of my parents’ marriage, that’s why the Pope is rumored to be signing the document on that day. It’s an anniversary present to my mother and my late father. How kind of His Holiness. I shall have to send a thank you card…

In an article, whose author seems not at all sympathetic to traditionalists and the TLM, the following statement is made concerning the Wetern Catholic ChurchÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s liturgical history: To bring this review to a fitting close, let us recall that the so-called Tridentine Mass is not the original Roman Rite. It is a hybrid of Roman and Gallican elements that first made its appearance in the diocese of Seez, France, then in Mainz, Germany, whose bishop brought it to Rome when he was elected pope, Leo IX in the llth century. It was then popularized throughout Europe by the Franciscan Friars with their handy missals and breviaries Ã¢â‚¬Â¦

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The author seems a Primitive Church freak. Dom Gueranger, the founder and first abbot of Solesmes, said that the first sign of a heretic is the obsession with the purity of Primitive Church.

1. The mass in the 1962 Missal is the Roman Rite, as Paul VI himself refers to it.

2. If you look at an altar missal (the Sacramentary) the 1st Eucharistic Prayer is called the Roman Canon. It is almost the same as the Canon in the 1962 Missal. The Roman Canon is obviously that of Rome, with references to early popes and Roman martyrs.

3. Was it influenced by the Gallican Rite? Yes, a bit. But the core of the Roman Rite has its origin in Rome and Gregory the Great. Two hundred years later it was transported to Charlemagne, who spread it throughout his empire.

Where is the Exhortation? Forget the motu proprio on music ,just give us the Exhortation!!!!! Could it be that the Exhortation will mention that the TLM was not abrogated and is the extraordinary rite of the roman rite.Implementing details would follow in another document which would be issued in the spring when the Pope had worked out as best he could the wrinkles in the plan.PopeJPII did this with his encyclical on the Eucharist.He condemned abuses but mentioned none stating instead that a seperate document would be issued on that.Could the evasive Exhortation be signed Nov.11 or 13 and the motu proprio on the TLM (the Church prepared for its coming by the Exhortation) be promulgated in the spring?

But Father! But Father! You make us suffer giving us dates! We wait for them, we fast on Signing Day Eve, we tell everyone, we post them on our blogs, we dance on the roof, and then comes the day… and nothing! Make us suffer no more!

On second thought, give us the rumors anyway. It’s better than nothing :P

I dunno: I just wonder if its possible the holy father is preparing something more sweeping? There are a number of liturgy-related things in the works — many of which we know about — that it might be the time to say, “I call for the following, as a followup to last year’s synod. In addition, I call for ___ and ___. And persuant to section blah-de-blah of Sacrosanctum Concilium, I will name a commission of liturgical experts to evaluate the Missal in light of ‘organic development.'”

I dont care when its signed, I just want it signed!!
Isn’t it sad that we have to go through all this bollocks
just to have something that is already a right within the Church?
It’ll be like the Pope signing document allowing Catholics to go to Confession…

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It was a dismal atempt at humour… ;)
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