Help building, or buying a desktop

Help building, or buying a desktop

Well im thinking about buying a desktop for 1050$ what i found on the internet so far is i can get m2 240 ssd, 1 terabyte harddrive, 7th generation i 7, 32 gigs ram, but no graphics card.

Also, is a better generation chip example 7th vs. 6th generation, do i go for the higher generation, or is a 6th generation if it means i get a graphics card for gaming. Not to mention were talking about galactic civilizations 3 crusades. 32 gigs of ram better if i get a seventh generation i7 processor, or is a 8th generation i7 with 16 gigs of ram for gaming.

I heard that amd was supposed to be cheap, but when i had the above specs with the 1700 it was over 2000$. If i cant get a graphics card then i heard that amd is a better bet, but it was also supposed to be cheaper. So which amd processor.i can go for is relatively cheap. Which is better than a seventh generation i7 with integrated graphics. Thats cheaper.

My question if i had to go amd then which graphics card is better for it ati, or nvidea. I know that nvidea is a better graphics card, but i hear ati gets special treatment with amd.

Does amd still make apu chips it think that is there special gaming chips. I could use both advice, and suggestions on a 1050$ build. I also could use some parts if you could help me out. I wohld be willing to go used if i honestly could get a better deal for almost new. Is custom built cheaper than buying i heard it was not. I need help im confused.

An SSD drive is better for gaming than a m.2 drive and add a 2T hard drive make sure it's a 7200rpm. You can save some money and go with 16gigs of ram instead of 32 unless you use graphic programs. As for the chip of course the i7 is going to be more money then say the i5. You could always go with a higher i5 then a lower i7 to save money and still get performance. Just as a side note I no nothing about AMD, I do know if you are going to build it yourself make sure you get the right board for the right chip. Intel chips don't work in a AMD boards and vice versa.

A good graphic card are expensive these days (Damn Bit Mining). You looking at least $350 for a half way decent card.

To get some kind of idea check out YouTube vids on building a computer.

I heard that amd was supposed to be cheap, but when i had the above specs with the 1700 it was over 2000$.

Don't know where you got that price for an AMD Ryzen 1700 from, it's nowhere near that. I paid AU$400 for mine... around US$350 or less, depending on the exchange rate at the time.

Thing is, when asking for advice on PC building, you're going to get varied responses from Intel fans and AMD fans. I have had good results from both Intel and AMD, so I'm a fanboi of neither. Therefore, my advice to you is to get the best bang for buck within your budget... and if that means going with an AMD chip in order to get a graphics card as well, then that's what you do.

At the end of the day, though, the choices are yours to make, so don't try to go bigger or better because somebody says that's the way to go. If you're sticking to budget, AMD will save you some money to spend more on a graphics card or other parts, etc.

Thanks for the responces, but paying 8500$ for a computer even if i wanted to i dont have the money. 1050$ for a computer really breaks me. Is it feasable to spend 1 third of the budget on the processor, amd still build a decent computer.

Back to questions do amd still make their apus if they dont is it feasable to go that route to get better intigrated graphics.

My other question is it good to take a generation back in processing to get more memory. Then is it still good to take another generation back to get a graphics card for gaming.

There have been significant improvements in apus AMD makes them and in January INTEL announced an 8th gen cpu with AMD vega graphics built in. From what I have read they are good for 1080P gaming and use system memory for the graphics so a 24GB - 32GB configuration would make sense for one of those.

Also, from what I have been reading pre-built computers offer price advantages. There are still some good bargains available with Lenovo.

Yeah, despite Lenovo growing in popularity here in Australia, I have read there are various issues with the brand. I would still go for the self-build option, though. Like Jafo said, you get to select what suits you, rather than have somebody else choose what they deem is right for you. Pre-builds may be cheaper initially, but so many of them have bottlenecks, and the cost of upgrading negates having paid the lower price. At least with a self build you have control over what YOU put in.... within budgetary restraints, that is.

There will be some who would say go with Intel because AMD isn't a powerful, etc, but the new AMD Ryzen series is more an acceptable and gives ample bang for the buck. The other thing is that many will say that Nvidia based graphics cards are far better than their AMD counterparts, but that isn't necessarily true anymore and the AMD/ATI equivalents are quite acceptable these days. Furthermore, your CPU and GPU updates can all be applied from the same AMD installer.

And no, I'm not an AMD fanboi.... but going with AMD may well be the difference between getting a graphics card and not. I went that way because going with an Intel equivalent meant no graphics card and less RAM.

Thanks Leo the Lion I went with Intel I7 8700k 3.7 Ghz, 16gb ddr4, Nvidea gtx 1070 8 gb ram, 240 Gb ssd, and 2 terabyte Hdd. I would of went 1 terabyte on the hard disk drive, but I didn't have that option. That link helped me find it. I would of liked 16 gb more ram though. I will probably need to check if my ssd drive is m2. I will probably need to overclock it, so if you guys have advice on this I would appreciate it. How can I Turbo boost this thing. The difference between Turbo boost, and overclocking. The processor can go faster than what you it buy for; while, it is at it's slowest; untill you turbo boost it; while, overclocking mearly speeds up the clock. Thanks to everyone for helping, and wish me luck on the most expensive rig I've ever bought. I want to say boughten, but that is not a word is it? If my labtop can handle Ludicrous maps on Galactic civilizations I'm sure this can; also did I mention 6 cores! Even though your ideas weren't done that doesn't mean that didn't help my decision. Wish me luck that the meltdown doesn't destroy things! My english is autorcious.

Anyway, here's hoping you're happy with your purchases and that it all goes well for you. As for the RAM, you could always upgrade with another 8GB stick when the cash becomes available... or even 3 more to make it 32GB. Thing is, RAM is one of the more expensive components, but your other specs are quite good and you could probably wait a wee while. However, I do advise to up your RAM to 16GB at least, just be sure to match the new to the old... eg: if what's installed is 2400mhz, get the same value.

Things change, but there is probably an on/off setting to enable it in the bios (it's there on mine). I'd imagine it will be enabled by default. You can't have Turbo Boost enabled if you overclock, it's neither/either/or.

6 hyperthreading cores @ 3.7 - personally I'd check to be sure the Turbo Boost is enabled and watch her rip, wouldn't tinker with the overclocking. I am a conservative though, don't want to be bothered worrying about overheating and instability, and I'm not looking for another hobby. Of course you do have that "k" series sitting there staring at you though.

Are you talking about eigth generation intel processor, or are you talking about intel chips with a amd graphics card?

kinda neither. i was referring to what BigDogBigFeet was talking about. kaby lake-g will have amd gpu and intel cpu in 1 package. those are for higher performance thin portable stuff without having a discrete gfx card.

Anyway, here's hoping you're happy with your purchases and that it all goes well for you. As for the RAM, you could always upgrade with another 8GB stick when the cash becomes available... or even 3 more to make it 32GB. Thing is, RAM is one of the more expensive components, but your other specs are quite good and you could probably wait a wee while. However, I do advise to up your RAM to 16GB at least, just be sure to match the new to the old... eg: if what's installed is 2400mhz, get the same value.

i guess i could of spelled better. I spend way to much time correcting my spelling. It is annoying. I meant 16 gigs of ram, 8 gigs of video ram. For about 500 more dollers i could of went up to 11 gigs of video ram, but 8 should be enough. I want 32 digs of regular ram.

Things change, but there is probably an on/off setting to enable it in the bios (it's there on mine). I'd imagine it will be enabled by default. You can't have Turbo Boost enabled if you overclock, it's neither/either/or.

6 hyperthreading cores @ 3.7 - personally I'd check to be sure the Turbo Boost is enabled and watch her rip, wouldn't tinker with the overclocking. I am a conservative though, don't want to be bothered worrying about overheating and instability, and I'm not looking for another hobby. Of course you do have that "k" series sitting there staring at you though.

i deleted my old order, and bought one that is 3.7 ghz like the old one, except it has a 4.7 ghz turbo boost. Now i know if it isnt set go into bios thanks. Well if i cant do both then turbo boost it is. Turbo boost is better i will take that.

Are you talking about eigth generation intel processor, or are you talking about intel chips with a amd graphics card?

kinda neither. i was referring to what BigDogBigFeet was talking about. kaby lake-g will have amd gpu and intel cpu in 1 package. those are for higher performance thin portable stuff without having a discrete gfx card.

there's no point having that chip in a desktop really..

i ended up with the 8700 anyways, but wont be taking advantage of the ondoard graphics, so you are right. But if you guys didnt help i would have givven up with a sevength generation processor with 32 gigs of ram, and no onboard graphics, and a lot slower, so still thanks. Also 4, not 6 cores.

Thanks Leo the Lion I went with Intel I7 8700k 3.7 Ghz, 16gb ddr4, Nvidea gtx 1070 8 gb ram, 240 Gb ssd, and 2 terabyte Hdd. I would of went 1 terabyte on the hard disk drive, but I didn't have that option. That link helped me find it. I would of liked 16 gb more ram though. I will probably need to check if my ssd drive is m2. I will probably need to overclock it, so if you guys have advice on this I would appreciate it. How can I Turbo boost this thing. The difference between Turbo boost, and overclocking. The processor can go faster than what you it buy for; while, it is at it's slowest; untill you turbo boost it; while, overclocking mearly speeds up the clock. Thanks to everyone for helping, and wish me luck on the most expensive rig I've ever bought. I want to say boughten, but that is not a word is it? If my labtop can handle Ludicrous maps on Galactic civilizations I'm sure this can; also did I mention 6 cores! Even though your ideas weren't done that doesn't mean that didn't help my decision. Wish me luck that the meltdown doesn't destroy things! My english is autorcious.

Niccccccce choice! Not an expert on overclocking but there are plenty of videos on YouTube. Just make sure you have good cooling. Enjoy your new toy....that is a beast!

I found i cqn either overclock, or turbo boost, not both. Im going with turbo boost. It is better for 4.7 ghz. I might be able to get 5 ghz with overclocking, but in performance that would translate to about 4.1 ghz at best where if turboost in performance that would translate to 4.7 ghz. Turbo boosting is better than overclocking.