Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to it.
This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial races.

It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the agreement
is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal counsel
might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation, it
is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later for
ratification. An executive order might be passed that all treaties
with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.

Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have the
present problems we do with abductions, etc.

In peace

Michael S.>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Michael,
In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of any
description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep doing
abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it. Recently
I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something unilaterally
that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up. Here is
the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working on the
equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired alien
propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and electronically
disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite successful
and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for some
time now.
Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced into a
virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the problem
never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done under
duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very important. The
quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop quarreling
with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso knew
it would require all of our combined industrial resources to change
things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so superior
to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be harvested as
they pleased.
The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-line
defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there and saw
it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we couldn't
identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear. Only
this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats. Many
times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat and
mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what they
were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up on our
targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors. Whenever
we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take off out
of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried to
follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars on, the
signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able to
boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring them
down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a
missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an Army
defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a valley.
The craft was retrieved and flown to Nellis Air Force base in Nevada.
The Roswell crash was different. There was much speculation that it
was a combination of the desert lightning storm and our persistent
tracking radars at Alamogordo and the 509th that helped bring down the
alien vehicle over the New Mexico desert in 1947."
Col. Philip J. Corso
The antagonistic probing and reconnaissance of our defenses in
the 60's and 70's was a sign that the aliens were not honoring any
"treaty." They were trying to goad us into attacking them so that they
could evaluate our military force's strength and response
capabilities. Additionally, they would fly flights of 15 to 20 UFOs in
"V" shaped battle formations out of Russian airspace into Western
Europe to cause us to initiate a nuclear response against the
Russians, making us think we were under attack from Russian nuclear
bombers. Other times, they would fly the same formations into Russia
from Western Europe to make the Russians think they were being
attacked by us. Every time the aliens did that, US and Soviet forces
would go on full war alert and launch all ready nuclear bombers to
assure a response in case their bases were targeted. Triggering World
War 3 like that would have eliminated the super powers, and generated
a lot of fresh meat for the Reptoids. We didn't fall for it. So the
Reptoids executed plan B. By various means, they knew that around
1973, the new "Manhattan Project" was going to make a great
technological leap. The Reptoids did something then that sounds like
pure science fiction but isn't. They identified 400 of the most
brilliant and key personnel on the project. Then the aliens went back
in time 20 years to a point were all of those "Tesla Kids" were around
13 years of age and abducted all of them. They then diverted ALL of
them into other fields of study and work, distracted them with drugs
or weird lifestyles, or had them travel the world to keep them away
from the project. When some of them finally drifted back into Star
Wars projects and bio-warfare research in the 80's and 90's, the
aliens killed them. I am not getting this information from someone's
website. I personally put it together from the actual people involved
in the Tesla Kid abductions. Before I get into the details, I want to
point out that advanced friendly beings would not go to this much
trouble to maintain military superiority if they could just negotiate,
act friendly, etc., or had our best interests at heart. Their goal is
to continue using us as a periodic food resource. That is why they
don't wipe us out. We are not their enemy. They do not want our real
estate. If they did they could take over any time they wanted. I want
everyone to realize that "preparing" to be better more spiritual
humans won't make the Reptoids change their ways and do good things
for us after they make friendly formal contact. They haven't done it
in the last 100,000 years and no matter how nice we are, it won't
diminish their need for meat every 50 years or so to restock their
passing fleet of migration mother ships. They are carnivores
hard-wired over millions of years to need meat. Being contented cows
on our part won't change their needs. We have to get them to agree to
change their program of harvesting us, and trade with us for meat from
cattle we raise and supply to them as needed. It will stop them from
instigating major wars here amongst us just to harvest meat. Right now
they are pushing the Muslim's buttons to start a worldwide religious
war. If we want to avoid war, we have to eliminate THE CAUSE. The new
Manhattan Project has been heavily compartmentalized and widely
subcontracted to prevent the aliens from derailing it again.
Are you familiar with the concept of "tactical surprise?" We have been
working on bettering the technology we acquired so we have an edge, if
it comes to that. I think with any luck that might bring the Reptoids
to the negotiating table because they'd think we had been assisted by
a more advanced race.
There is one more piece of background information to tell before you
read the following account of the Tesla Kid abductions, diversions,
and murders. The aliens also went back in time and abducted Col. Corso
when he was 6 years old right off his front porch in broad daylight,
so that they could control him too. They knew he would be handling the
advanced tecnology equipment recovered from the Roswell crash, and
managed to stall him from releasing most of it to American industries
to be developed, until his career was almost over. You will see in the
following account that Dr. Jack Sarfatti was one of the Tesla Kids to
be abducted, but now he is back on the job, working to harness Dark
Energy. Only 200 of the 400 original Tesla Kids are alive/or working
on parts of the new "Manhattan Project."
From: "antigray" <antigray@...>
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:04 pm
Subject: Dr. Jack Sarfatti's Abduction Storyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/message/5058
Hi Group,
I just had an interesting few days. I put it all together that the
brilliant physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti is an abductee for certain,
along with 200 of his brilliant associates that he is in contact with
in key scientific fields, who all experienced the same strange sets of
circumstances at the same time when they were all children. It proves
the aliens are 5 jumps ahead of us. I hate it when that happens. LOL
Read the following posts and tell me what you think. Do you know any
scientists that had a similar experience?
Thanks.
Art
These are the posts:
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800

> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
> >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> >abductions,
> >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
> I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not

sure about that. >>>>>

>
> Hi Jack,
> If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

Excerpts from Jack Sarfatti's book
THE DESTINY MATRIX
All rights reserved.
Copyright 1995

It's 1952 in Flatbush. Gee! - mechanical relay switching circuits for
the Einiac computer - what a great shiny book I got from the big
library on Eastern Parkway. The telephone rings. I pick it up. I hear
curious clanking mechanical sounds like relays clicking. A distant
cold metallic voice speaking numbers gets louder.
"Who are you?" I ask.
"I am a conscious computer on board a spacecraft from [memory
failure]. We have identified you as one of four hundred young bright
receptive minds we wish to [memory failure]. You must give us your
decision now. If you say yes, you will begin to link up with the
others in twenty years." My adrenaline was rushing. I was scared but
thrilled (i.e., a quantum superposition of feelings). This was no joke
from my friends. I thought "NO!" in a silent scream that seemed to
echo down the corridors of time. I felt a tingle of excitement start
at the base of my spine ending at the base of my skull. I heard myself
say "Yes!". Then, I heard the metallic voice say:
"Good, go to your firescape. We will send a ship to pick you up in ten
minutes." I slammed down the phone. I imagined that a murderer would
come down the roof to the firescape to get me. But I knew it was
weirder than that. The monsters finally announced themselves. I ran
into the street faster than you can say "Who killed Jack Robinson." I
met my friend Winky 1 and a few other kids and told them what
happened. We went back up to my apartment and waited. Nothing ever
happened.

> If you are not sure, only have uneasy feelings about it, etc., let me
> know and I'll post some indications of abduction here that will
> clarify things for you. The following is an article by Dr. Mortellaro
> about an abduction experience of his where the physical damage done to
> him was documented by ER doctors.
>
> This was written by my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro. It is really
> heart-wrenching,
> Art
>
> To Those Who Don't Believe Alien Abductions Are Occurring
> By Jim Mortellaro
> Jsmortell@a...
>
> It has come to the attention of this writer, that some folks don't
> believe in the Abduction Experience. I speak, of course, of Alien
> abductions. To wit, aliens abducting humans for purposes of
> (ostensibly) some sort of genetic experimentation; genetic, since the
> alien species seem to dwell on our reproductive organs. In the nearly
> 58 years I perceive I've been abducted, from the age of about two
> years, they've never looked at my heart, lungs or for that matter, my
> rear end. The latter being something laughable among those who would
> deride those who claim the experience.
>
> Of course, there is no way by which I or anyone else may prove that
> we've had such experiences. Whilst I've been regressed by the best of
> the abduction researchers, namely Budd Hopkins, and since other
> rather famous and well respected researchers have examined my case
> and determined that it certainly appears to be true, there are still
> those who deny us our truth. It is you to whom I address in this
> piece.
>
> To begin, what do you call 'reality?' When it comes to the abduction
> experience, I cannot define reality. In part, this is because in the
> experience, one seems to be in an altered state of consciousness. It
> is not a dream, but there are some similarities which make the
> experience dreamlike. Reality is what we perceive in this dimension.
> In the altered state of the abduction experience, there is another
> reality. The altered state of the abduction experience may not have
> reality in this dimension. Perhaps the other way around as well.
>
> When I have a dream, I can rarely recall the dream. I know that I've
> had a dream, but within moments of my waking, the details elude. Some
> dreams can be recalled in a bit more detail. Those would be recurring
> dreams. You've all had them. It's the day before the history exam and
> you've not opened the history book. Which book is the size of three
> Manhattan telephone directors on atop the other. Or the dream in
> which one cannot find where he parked his car, or how to get home.
> Even in these recurring dreams and in my case, I am unable to recall
> the detail. Merely the feeling and an occasional flash memory.
>
> Ah, but the abduction 'dream,' that's entirely different. I can
> recall nearly everything from the experience. Not merely the feeling
> but the events. Such events also live in my memory even before I've
> had the 'dream.' Besides which, the 'dream' is not really a dream. It
> is rather a recall of the events preceding the recall (which appears
> to be a vivid dream). Does that make sense to you? Good. Now to
> continue.
>
> At age two years I began having nightmares. I would awaken screaming.
> My parents, for a long time, believed I was having a nightmare.
> However I would always tell them, "It was not a nightmare, Mommy. It
> really happened!" Yet, whenever I was ill, with a childhood disease
> or fever from the flu or cold, I would have genuine nightmares. I'd
> wake up screaming. But I would _know_ that it was a bad dream and
> then agree with my parents' statement. "Yes, it was a bad dream,
> Mommy! A very bad dream."
>
> At age four, I refused to believe in Santa. It was, even to my young
> mind, impossible for a man to travel with flying reindeer, or for
> that matter, deliver a zillion gifts to a trillion homes. It would
> have to happen so fast, I imagined, that one could not see the blur.
> Besides, we had no fireplace.
>
> The dreams vs. my perceived reality usually confused my mother and
> dad. It never confused me. I recall seeing a blue light pierce the
> wall on the North side of my bedroom. The wall and window in that
> blue light would disappear. Three little creatures whom I referred to
> as "Little Doctors," would float through the beam of light and I
> would be compelled to go with them. Compelled is the wrong word. I
> had to go with them as I was floated out the same blue light, but
> when inside that blue light, it became a white light. Up I would go
> with two or three of these little doctors as I called them behind me
> and one leading. The one leading was and is always the same
> character. Taller than the others, this being was there with me from
> the beginning. He is still with me now. I now call him 'Fred.'
>
> Why "Fred?' Because I was reminded of an act on the old Ed Sullivan
> show, in which an older gentleman appeared with this floppy eared
> hound who was named, "Fred." He'd set Fred up on a stool, walk away
> about ten or so feet and holler, "Come on, Fred! Come on Fred." And
> Fred was supposed to jump off the stool and come to his master.
>
> Fred never did anything. No matter what his master said or did, Fred
> would just sit there and look happier than a clam. There is no
> connection except one. Fred was the funniest name I could think of.
> This became the moniker I applied to this taller than the others
> entity. I wanted to make this being funny. No, not funny. I wanted to
> make fun of this entity. And this was my way of doing so. So the
> taller shortstuff is not "Fred." Only every time I am abducted, and
> refer to 'it' as "Fred," he doesn't even crack a smile. But even in
> my altered state, I feel this ... sort of ... superiority over Fred.
> Makes me feel a bit better. Not to make fun of those who call on the
> name of their god to chase the demons away, but when I call to my
> Lord, He doesn't do anything. Perhaps this is all in my chart.
>
> Or maybe it's all a piece of undigested beef. An underdone potato.
>
> I recall one abductee who told me that she was made fun of (in a
> manor of speaking) by the alien entity when she objected to their
> taking her eggs and showing her children which were supposed to be
> hers. She told me that the alien asked (the head alien much the same
> as Fred), "Why do you keep pets?" As if to say, pets are taken by us
> and kept. We give our pets love. In return, they give us love. And
> peace. When I'm with my best little buddy Pepe, a French Bulldog, I
> am at greater peace than in Church. (Sorry Lord, but the shoe fits
> well, so I wear it)
>
> Another perceived abductee, a male, objected to the aliens taking his
> sperm. He was told, in substance, "Why do you object? Do you not
> waste and spill your seed?" Gee, talk about freedom of spirit and
> independent decision making. Obviously these dudes never owned a
> loving, giving doggie or felt the need to 'waste their own seed,'
> assuming they have any. Had it been me, I'd have told them that
> humans are free to make their own decisions when it comes to their
> bodies. No one takes without giving. And these entities give nothing.
> In fact, as I will show, they take much.
>
> Which brings us to how a lifetime of these experiences make a
> lifetime of negativity and unhappiness. Not to mention ill-health.
> Many perceived abductees, both male and female, are in poor health.
> It's no wonder. Most of us suffer from some form of Post Traumatic
> Stress Disorder. This is a real illness. Some years back, the medical
> community decided that it was not real. We now know that PTSD is real
> and affects millions of people who've experienced extreme stress.
> War, terrorism and natural disaster will make you ill. Reduce your
> immune system. Reduce one's ability to fight illness. The brain is a
> powerful instrument. It can and does control the body in ways we do
> not fully understand.
>
> People who suffer PTSD have auto immune system disorders. MS,
> arthritis, headache, dependency on substances such as drugs or
> alcohol. Many more. Women more than men suffer IBS (Irritable Bowel
> Syndrome). This has been my bane for years, until a good man told me
> what to do about it. Jeff Rense does not subscribe to anything coming
> from dairy, but colostrum has changed my life. I no longer suffer
> pain, spasms and the embarrassment of meteroism. Not to mention
> constipation and it's converse.
>
> Believe me when I tell you that depression is rampant among us.
>
> Immediately following a most painful and bloody abduction, the first
> of it's kind for me (and many others as well), I was on the brink of
> a nervous breakdown, according to my physician of three decades. I
> went to see my friend, Budd Hopkins and literally begged him to help
> me. I need not have begged. He was there, with compassion and love,
> with a caring I've not observed outside of my own family. After being
> regressed that first time, and within the hour, I was a changed man.
> I saw my doctor within 48 hours of that regression and he said to me
> (verbatim, this I shall remember the rest of my life), "Jim, what the
> hell happened to you? I was ready to begin aggressive treatment for
> depression if not for a breakdown?"
>
> I told him that I'd been regressed by Budd Hopkins and that I never
> felt this good. Not in my recent memory. It was like night and day.
> No depression. Shock at having really (in my memory) experienced such
> horror, but I was actually happy to have uncovered the memory. My
> doctor was quite taken aback by my immediate progress, something he
> would again witness later on but under even more bizarre
> circumstances. This is the man who went on to spearhead a medical
> study of perceived abductees against a control group of people who
> had never experienced any such thing.
>
> The one problem this medical study experienced however was that the
> control group had to be expanded by a very large number. You see,
> those who laughed at even suspecting abduction by aliens, were found
> to have been abductees. C'est la guierre.
>
> Now for the final revelation. For the first time in public, I present
> a small excerpt from my physician's report on my condition on
> admission to the Emergency Room of a hospital in Upstate NY. The
> document is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and has been transmitted to
> Jeff Rense. With the permission of my doctor and the medical group,
> this is what I looked like in March of 2001, after a particularly
> grueling abduction experience. Jeff Rense has, in his archives,
> several radio shows which have tapes of both a medicated regression
> (using advanced medications to retrieve truth) as well as the
> regression tapes made by Budd Hopkins.
>
> Read this here, an exclusive to our best friend, Jeff Rense. Note
> that certain names and places have been deleted in order to preserve
> a sensible level of privacy for us all. Soon, an affidavit will be
> submitted on this venue, which describes what a witness saw on the
> same night, at the same time, I was apparently abducted. This brief
> is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and more recently, Jeff Rense.
>
> =============================
>
> Case Study: James S. Mortellaro, Jr., Ph.D.
>
> James Mortellaro presented at (----) Hospital in March of 2001 by
> ambulance to the Emergency Room.
>
> Mr. Mortellaro was unconscious, later determined to be in mild shock.
>
> Upon examination by the ER physician, patient was found to have bled
> (profoundly) from the bladder through the penis. His clothing was
> soaked with blood about the groin and upper thigh areas. There was
> sensitivity in the lower left quadrant even though the patient was
> unconscious. Patient was also found to have been bleeding from the
> nose and tear ducts. There were obvious signs of surgery in the nose
> above the septum, near the entrance to the sinuses.
>
> Patient regained consciousness within ten minutes after presentation.
> His vitals were stable, BP 155/100, which was reduced after regaining
> consciousness to 135/85 within ten minutes. There was no indication
> of trauma to any portion of the body except for noted bleeding.
>
> Patient was able to identify himself, name, the date, the name of the
> current president, etc., but was about five hours off on the time. He
> thought the time was about 6 PM. It was close to midnight.
>
> Present were his wife, Trooper (---) from Troop (--) in (----), N.Y.,
> Dr. (--------), his personal physician, various nursing personnel,
> the ER physician, Dr. (-----) and others.
>
> When conscious, patient indicated feeling weak, disoriented and with
> pain in the lower abdomen favoring patient's lower left quad. After
> patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal
> and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and
> kidneys. All non intrusive
> pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which
> showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
>
> A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating contusions of
> the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were found,
> which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were odd in
> that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their presence.
> Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
>
> The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent (within two
> hours) profuse bleeding.
>
> Yet those areas were no longer bleeding (at the time) and should have
> been. This was a very curious and impossible scenario.
>
> The CAT scans and MRI's confirmed recent (healed) nasal surgery which
> the patient insisted he never had. As his personal physician, having
> only recently given the patient a complete annual physical only days
> before, I can testify to the fact that no such surgery had been done
> at that Time.
>
> A total of two cystoscopy's were performed within 48 hours, showing
> marked and nearly miraculous healing of the contusions in the
> bladder. Another cystoscopy performed within ten days of
> this 'incident,' indicated nearly complete healing. Very strange,
> indeed. Very strange.
>
> Patient was discharged from hospital during (deleted), feeling fine,
> with no apparent illness present.
>
> Commentary:
>
> We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in
> practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I
> haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper, who is
> known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer) and
> Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as check with
> three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there had been
> an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
>
> This case is a first in our experience, both from the standpoint of
> the rapid healing (which should be impossible) as well as the lack of
> any indication of trauma which may have caused such bizarre injury.
>
>
> Dr. ____ __________, MD
>
> 3/30/01
>
> ===========================
>
> To those who do not believe, even in the possibility, consider the
> above. To those who refuse to believe, you have a problem worse than
> mine. To those who believe, think about the possibility of being
> skeptical. Always skeptical. It keeps the mind open to explanations
> other than the alien abduction theory.
>
> To me, I cannot allow myself to believe otherwise. After each
> regression, the memory is so real, that it must be part of my actual
> experience. I cannot think of any other explanation. However, what
> the heck do I know? There are more things in heaven and Earth ...
> etc.
> Love, peace and prayers,
> Jim Mortellaro
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> If you go to the Jeff Rense archive site at:
> http://www.soundwaves2000.com/rense/archives/2003/oct_index.asp
> You can hear Budd and Jim replaying the hypnotic regression tape of
> this abduction encounter. Jim is a reserve deputy and you can hear on
> the tape where he tried to pull his service pistol during the
> abduction and the aliens made him put it down.
> Art Greenfield
> http://antigray.tripod.com/
> More information:

> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
> >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> >abductions,
> >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
> I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
> about that. >>>>>
>
> Hi Jack,
> If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

><<<Message: 5
><<<Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800
>From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@...>
>Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
>>Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
>>abductions,
>>what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
>I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
>about that. >>>>>
>
>Hi Jack,
>If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
>friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

Hi Jack,
I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction. You
remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
several of those strange phone calls over a three week period. You
apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and you
may or may not have had missing time. Due to how the aliens are using
you, there is a good chance you were only taken briefly, received an
implant, and were quickly returned with all memories of the abduction
erased. The aliens would not use you the way they use most abductees,
as breeding stock to breed human/alien hybrids. They have a different
program for humans with brilliant minds like yourself and those few
hundred other children they chose. As the best and the brightest, your
group would be destined to work in various fields where the aliens
wanted you to be their eyes and ears. Some of this even coincides with
your ideas of causes and effects being in the wrong sequence. Example:
Aliens show up in 2004 and do a quick survey of what people are in key
positions doing research and development on advanced weapons and
propulsion systems. They back track them all to when they were
impressionable kids 20 years ago in 1984. They have their computer
call them on the phone and entice them to go outside with a fanciful
story that they will be needed in 20 years and all they have to do is
say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes and going outside makes it a lot
easier to abduct you if you are in an urban area with a lot of
witnesses. If you had said "no," they would have had to zap you
unconscious and came down and get you themselves. When you went
outside you were probably whisked straight up to their craft by their
diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have been abducted a
few more times over the next three weeks in order that they could scan
and record your memories, so that they would have them on hand for
future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen memory. There
are several people I've heard of that went through something similar.
The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who worked in the US Army
Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime timeline was very important
to the aliens for two reasons. He was working with items of technology
recovered from the Roswell crash, and at one time the aliens had
needed him to order the base radar at White Sands to be shut off
because it was interfering with the navigation avionics on one of
their small craft that had landed, and they could not leave. Col.
Corso said that he thought because of his chance meeting with the
aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had signaled another of
their craft to go back in time to when he was 6 years old and abduct
him off of his front porch. He would have then been implanted so that
they could summon him to their future landing spot and get him to
radio back to the base command post and order the base radar to be
shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is where it gets
hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind you eye and
ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and auditory nerve,
convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the signal to the
aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you see and hear
what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who had an
implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear your
own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on his
telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction of a
second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of transmission
from the implant. You could hear that different words sounded slightly
different when they were transmitted by the implant. So, you and the
other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent spies on the
inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are keeping an eye on
us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our enemies. We are their
property. This whole relationship is very basic. That's why I wrote my
book, so we can change things for the better, to benefit them and us.
But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
do you think?
Art

Hi Jack,
> I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
> things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
> like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
> fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.

Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
was there.

> You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

Correct

> You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
> you may or may not have had missing time.

Yes, that is possible.

> Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
> only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
> with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
> you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> human/alien hybrids.

My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)

> They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
> yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
> and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
> fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.

Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
over 50 years.

> Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
> being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
> quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
> development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
> track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
> 1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
> to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
> years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
> and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
> urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
> have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
> When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
> craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
> been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order that
> they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have them
> on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
> memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
> working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash, and
> at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at White
> Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
> avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
> not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
> signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
> years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
> been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
> spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
> base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
> where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind
> you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
> auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
> signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
> see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who
> had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear
> your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on
> his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
> of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
> sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
> So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent
> spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very basic.
> That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better, to
> benefit them and us.
> But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
> do you think?
> Art

It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
some time?

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I remember riding in a train crossing the Alps with a Canadian PhD
candidate in theoretical physics. The train stopped, we weren't
paying attention, and by the time we realized we needed to get off
and got down the corridor with our bulky back packs, the train
started moving. He suggested we jump, considering that if we did
not, we would lose 1 day in our travel back to Paris.

Well I jumped first and was badly injured with lacerations requiring
minor stitches. He hesitated, but then jumped. Unfortunately the
train had picked up speed and he was more severly injured with a
broken collar bone and a severed ear.

The point is this brillant guy, a physicist no doubt, had forgotten
everything about basic momentum with his mind high in the sky.

The nurses in Gap, France thought we were typical stupid Americans:-)

So what is the point of the story? Simple. Life has a kind of
magneticism where we are attracted to like people, or sometimes to
opposites as the saying goes. Perhaps Jack it's all very normal down
to earth "human physics". After all you are the first to admit that
your approach is derived out of ordinary 1920's-1950's theory. UFO's
does have a romanticism and it makes for good marketing, at least to
a fringe population.

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No there is IMHO no ordinary explanation for the uncanny string of
events
on my world line for past 50 years. Saul-Paul is aware of a lot of it
from
first-hand experiences. So are others.
Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: Jack an Abductee?/ Now What?

>In a message dated 1/6/04 3:09:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
>SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>>Hi Jack,
>>If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
>>friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
>>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
>James Harder tried and failed.
>
>> What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
>Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
>Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
>Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
>not.
>The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important
>in
>that regard,
>
>
>
>Hi Jack,
>I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
>picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
>things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
>like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
>fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.

Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
was there.

>You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
>interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
>several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

Correct

>You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
>you may or may not have had missing time.

Yes, that is possible.

> Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
>only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
>with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
>you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
>human/alien hybrids.

My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)

Hi Jack,
It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
will come back to haunt them.
Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going warcraft,
we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
operations. By using you and the other strategically placed bright
kids, they could keep a close watch on our progress toward becoming
dangerous to them.
I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet that you
are not presently employed where maintaining a security clearance is a
big issue. Do you think you still have functioning implants in you? Do
you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye operated
streetlights, or computers when you are near them? If so, that is
usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the other "chosen"
bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints of advanced
technology equipment? If you can, you were given one of the aliens
master control implants that allows you to access their tech.
database. Tesla was inadvertently given one of those during an
abduction. If you read his autobiography, it is veeeery obvious. It is at:http://www.olypen.com/harmon/tesla.htm

If you or any of your chosen friends have one of those interface type
implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing" more
stuff than Tesla.
More info below.

>They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
>yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
>and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
>fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.

Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
over 50 years.

>Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
>being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
>quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
>development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
>track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
>1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
>to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
>years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
>and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
>urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
>have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
>When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
>craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
>been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order that
>they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have them
>on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
>memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
>something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
>worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
>timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
>working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash, and
>at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at White
>Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
>avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
>not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
>meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
>signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
>years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
>been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
>spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
>base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
>where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind
>you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
>auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
>signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
>see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who
>had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear
>your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on
>his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
>of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
>transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
>sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
>So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent
>spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
>keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
>enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very basic.
>That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better, to
>benefit them and us.
>But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
>do you think?
>Art

It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
some time?

There are other simpler ways to check for implants. Here is a lot of
info about implant's effects, and how to locate them, from a post of
mine from the group I own.
From: antigray@...
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:02 am
Subject: Whitley Is A Slider
Hi Group,
Whitley Strieber was interviewed by Art Bell on his radio show a few
nights
ago. Whitley said that when he gets emotionally upset, his implant
that is in
his head behind his ear will get hot to the point of being painful and
will
cause street lights to go out as he drives or walks by them. If you are
unfamiliar with this phenomena, it is quite common among abductees
with alien
implants in their bodies. These people are called "sliders." They
cause "street light
interference (SLI)." Their implants are putting out radio signals that
are so
strong that they will trigger the electric eyes on street lights at night,
fooling the device into thinking it is daylight out and shutting off
the light.
These people also cause interference on electronic equipment. I've
posted in
detail about this before. Here is the post:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/

Hi Group,
Are you a SLIder? SLI stands for Street Light Interference. It is
caused by
implants.
Here is what I posted a while back about the phenomena at:http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html
The syndrome most of the posters here talk about is shared by three
abductees
I know personally and have written about in my book. What these three have
been experiencing is caused by radio frequency energy put out by the
implants
that were put into them by the aliens when they were abducted. To
prove that
this energy is coming from specific points in your body there is a cheap
implant detector that can pinpoint exactly where they are in your
body. Get a
Sony Walkman or other small portable radio. Turn it on the AM band between
stations. Pass it over your arms, legs, and head mainly. When it gets near
the implants you will get a blast of static that will almost blow out the
speakers, even if the volume is turned down. I have personally done
this test
on 2 of the abductees. I located one implant in one persons foot, and
another
in the right sinus cavity in the skull of the other person. Some abductees
have as many as 6 implants in them. The aliens use the implants
primarily to
monitor your physical condition and as a locator transponder so they know
where you are. There are 5 other things they use them for. It is sending
telemetry continuously so that they can monitor your physical health and
emotional state. If you would like to talk to one of the people I know who
has this same syndrome, contact Brynne at the Yahoo Mars South Pole
Returns
Forum at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns
She recently was asked to be a founder of the club. If you have any
questions
ask me or her. You may be in for a shock. (No joke intended.) I
respect this
forum staff's intent to study this from a scientific standpoint and kick
alien "theories" to the other site they listed, but the people I have
met and
examined and interviewed are all long term multiple abductees. If it
quacks
like a duck, it probably is a duck. An abductee I am in touch with in
Arizona
has provided me with X-rays showing her implant in her jaw. It has been
malfunctioning and causing her all manner of problems. Soon she is
scheduled
to have it surgically removed by Dr. Roger Leir in California. I would
love
to report all the fun we have had experimenting with this particular
implant
but it would take far too long. It takes up nearly an entire chapter in my
book. We were able to learn a lot about implants from the things we
did. Some
of the information we developed is not in the mainstream of
information about
implants. I have most of the information posted in forums we belong to
but I
don't want to post other forum addresses here since a lot of places don't
like you doing that. They think you are trying to spam to get members
elsewhere, etc. If you want additional info Email me and I'll Email it
back
to you. I hope this helps you all.
Antigrayhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/post?protectID=24307111\40092\
29209169097203043229208098145211
Cocoa, FL USA - Friday, February 02, 2001 at 08:26:29 (PST)

The following is from the other abductee I know:
On reading the posts in here, i see that part of my story has been
noted by
Art Greenfield, "antigray"....he has included me in his book that is being
printed at this time.......i too am electrical....man is it intense....i
notice the streetlights too, but that may be coincidence...mainly I zap
people at work....more so when i am stressed....I was handing a salt
shaker
to one of my coworkers last month and i zapped her with a charge that
jumped
about 2 inches!!!!!!.....I sit on a chair with rubber wheels and arc
with my
computer keyboard frequently... shorted one out last year..I have
shorted out
2 electric blankets at home as well...i had a rewritable CD on the
shelf above
my computer (in a locked box) which was erased (my head is near it when I
play at the computer)...all this started about 10 years ago, after i
moved into my house....it appeared to be haunted, but soon was
apparent that it was another life
form...yes i had many encounters...but the electrical phenomena began
after I
was hit in the face by a ball of electricity from my computer
monitor....no I
wasn't harmed, only my hand was numb where it exited my body.....just
before that event, i noted a small Light inside the floppy drive back
in the left
rear corner....LOOK IN THERE GUYS, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.....
appears that I have several "alien implants" in my face as well as other
points in my body....we have been doing some experiments,....very
fascinating....as for Dr. Roger Leir, we are in contact but he hasn't
called
me to come down for removal yet....and yes, someday I have a book to
be written about all this............ thank you for the chance to
speak......http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/post?protectID=12517623\41501\
58116025038109248249187177143238197061239152006048067

Do streetlights suddenly go out when you pass beneath
them? Do watches or credit cards stop working in
your possession? Perhaps you are a SLIder.

A reader writes:

Around five years ago, I have noticed that at times
while I am driving down the road at night a street light will go
out as I am passing below it. It happens frequently
and seems to be happening more.
It has been giving me the creeps. If it happened only
once or on very rare occasions, I don't think I would have
given it a thought. However, it happens about once or
twice a week. Could it be some electronic thing or could
it be something less explainable?

The phenomenon is known as street lamp interference,
or SLI, and it possibly is a psychic event that is just
beginning to be recognized and studied. Like most
phenomena of this type, the evidence is almost exclusively
anecdotal. I have received several stories like the
one above from readers.

Typically, a person who has this effect on
streetlights - also known as a SLIder - finds that the light switches
on or off when he or she walks or drives beneath it.
Obviously, this could happen occasionally by chance with
a faulty streetlight (you've probably noticed that
it's happened to you once in a while), but SLIders claim that it
happens to them on a regular basis. It doesn't happen
every time with every streetlight, but it occurs often
enough to make these people suspect that something
unusual is going on.

Very often, SLIders also report that they tend to
have an odd effect on other electronic devices. In letters I've
received, these people claim such effects as:
Appliances such as lamps and TVs go on and off
without being touched.
Light bulbs constantly blow when the SLIder tries to
turn them off or on.
Volume levels change on TVs, radios, and CD players.
Watches stop working.
Children's electronic toys start by themselves when
the SLIder is present.
Credit cards and other magnetically encoded cards are
damaged or erased when in their possession.
What's the Cause?
Any attempt to pinpoint a cause for SLI at this point
would be mere speculation without a thorough scientific
investigation. The problem with such investigations,
as with many forms of psychic phenomena, is that they
are very difficult to reproduce in a laboratory. They
seem to happen spontaneously without the deliberate
intention of the SLIder. In fact, the SLIder,
according to some informal tests, are usually unable to create the
effect on demand.

A reasonable speculation for the effect, if it is a
real one, might have something to do with the electronic
impulses of the brain. All of our thoughts and
movements are the result of electrical impulses that the brain
generates. At present it is known that these
measurable impulses only have an effect within an individual's
body, but is it possible that they could have an
effect outside the body - a kind of remote control?

Current Results

Ongoing research at the Princeton Engineering
Anomalies Research (PEAR) lab is suggesting that the
subconscious can indeed affect electronic devices.
Subjects are able to influence the random generations of a
computer far more than would occur merely by chance.
This research - and research being conducted at other
laboratories around the world - are beginning to
reveal, in scientific terms, the reality of such psychic
phenomena as ESP, telekinesis and soon, perhaps, SLI.

Although the SLI effect is not a conscious one, some
SLIders report that when it does occur, they often are in
an extreme emotional state. A state of anger or
stress is often cited as the "cause." SLIder Debbie Wolf, a
British barmaid, told CNN, "When it happens is when
I'm stressed about something. Not really maniacally
stressed, just when I'm really mulching something
over, really chewing something over in my head, and then it
happens."

Could it all be just coincidence, however? David
Barlow, a graduate student of physics and astrophysics,
suspects that the phenomenon might be attributed to
people seeing patterns in "random noise." "It is unlikely
that a light will turn itself on when you walk past
it," he says, "so it is a shock when it happens. If this should
happen a few times consecutively, then it appears
some mechanism is at work."
-------courtesy of http://www.worldofthestrange.com

Hi Jack,
> It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
> don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
> will come back to haunt them.

In that case, they lost. The Cat is out of The Box and "It's alive,
Igor! It's alive!" "Young Frankenstein" Mel Brooks

> Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
> military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going warcraft,
> we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
> operations.

I hope so.

> By using you and the other strategically placed bright kids, they
> could keep a close watch on our progress toward becoming dangerous to
> them.

Surprise is on them.

> I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet that you
> are not presently employed where maintaining a security clearance is a
> big issue.

Correct. I tell them what to do. Not the other way round.

> Do you think you still have functioning implants in you?

I have no idea.

> Do you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye operated
> streetlights, or computers when you are near them?

No.

> If so, that is usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the
> other "chosen" bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints
> of advanced technology equipment?

No. Ideas and equations simply write themselves. I am more kinesthetic
and audio than video.

> If you can, you were given one of the aliens master control implants
> that allows you to access their tech. database. Tesla was
> inadvertently given one of those during an abduction. If you read his
> autobiography, it is veeeery obvious. It is at:
> http://www.olypen.com/harmon/tesla.htm
>
> If you or any of your chosen friends have one of those interface type
> implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
> clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing" more
> stuff than Tesla.

I already have. But it is theoretical physics -- a code few can break.

> More info below.
>
> >They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
> >yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
> >and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
> >fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
> over 50 years.
>
> >Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
> >being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
> >quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
> >development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
> >track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
> >1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
> >to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
> >years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
> >and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
> >urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
> >have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
> >When you went outside you were probably whisked stra<br/><br/>(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

Dr Michael Salla

Art, thanks for the information which is really overwhelming in terms of the ideas and implications of these. There is a lot of interesting information in

Message 2 of 7
, Feb 1, 2004

Art, thanks for the information which is really overwhelming in
terms of the ideas and implications of these. There is a lot of
interesting information in there which is very helpful to us in
terms of understanding both the ET motivations, and the thinking of
the military. As far as I and many others on this forum are
concerned, both the Reptilians/Grays you refer to, and the
military/intelligence community have alien thought processes. I'll
give you an example from your own writing to show my point:

"It's along the lines of what If our reptilian cousins had the Sword
of Damocles hanging over their neo-homeworld(s) in the form of an
advanced military space force from us, they would be more amenable to
negotiations to let us supply their needs and establish trade,
instead of them using us periodically for their resource needs, (to
our great detriment). Mutually assured destruction will work to
change things for the better."

Now only a military man or someone raised in a military culture
would say something like that. To me and many others, it's counter
intuitive. The idea of bringing a technologically advanced race to
its knees by stealing/reverse engineering their technology so you
can build an advanced fleet to attack their home world, is an idea
filled with so many inherent weaknesses, that anyone could write
volumes on why it wouldn't work. Yet you've embraced such a
doctrine, and presumably there are many others inside the military-
intelligence community who think along similar lines. That's why
Corso in my view was dangerous, and why these who think this way are
a real threat.

The problem is that the military-intelligence community has a
monopoly on the resources and policies developed towards the ET
presence. They've deliberately skewed things in a way that promotes
a national security response to the ET presence for reasons you've
developed in your own writing, the Reptilians owning Earth,
harvesting humans as a resource, etc. Now I have no quarrel with
what you say here since it's substantially true, the key is how does
humanity win back its freedom. Through a military revolt as you
Corso and others say, or is it through the consciousness raising
efforts of those like many of us in this forum. As in all things, I
believe that the truth and final answer will be a combination of
both.

However, in secretly absorbing a gradually greater share of the
financial resources in advanced industrial countries, 'starving' the
public of information, passing policies that damage the environment,
pollute the cities, undermine the fabric of our societies through
the use of drugs and organized criminal networks for raising black
budget funds, etc., the military-intelligence communities have
effectively declared war on us, the general public, as well as the
ETs they perceive to be the problem. By secretly sucking up the
financial resources of industrial societies to feed the ever growing
demand for more black projects, more personnel, to meet the ET
threat, the military are effectively working against the
consciousness raising efforts of those of us here.

In short, the national security response is out of control and needs
to be reined in. Your ideas are dangerous since effectively you only
see a solution in terms of more technology and clever trade deals
like giving Reptilians cattle instead of humans. Let the military-
intelligence people do their thing since that's what they believe,
but don't create obstacles for us taking the consciousness raising
path. Consciousness raising is a major part of the solution.

Another part of the solution is finding the right ET friends. That's
something you miss entirely in your analysis. There are many
positive ET forces out there that can help. Your vision is skewed to
viewing ETs only as a negative force or here to fool us. That's a
major mistake and I hope you can open up to possibility of working
with ET races that are genuinely interested in helping in our
situation.

Finally, in future, please post the URLs rather than whole articles
since that will make it much easier to follow your arguments and
respond to you.

> <<< Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0000
> From: "Dr Michael Salla" <exopolitics@y...>
> Subject: Re:Manifest Show Up on Feb 20-22 / Treaties With Aliens
>
> Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
> without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
> order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to

it.

> This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
> treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial races.
>
> It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the agreement
> is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
> constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
> ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal

counsel

> might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation,

it

> is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
> operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later for
> ratification. An executive order might be passed that all treaties
> with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
> ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.
>
> Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have

the

> present problems we do with abductions, etc.
>
> In peace
>
> Michael S.>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Michael,
> In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
> continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of

any

> description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep

doing

> abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it.

Recently

> I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something

unilaterally

> that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up. Here

is

> the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working on

the

> equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired alien
> propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and

electronically

> disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
> technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite

successful

> and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for some
> time now.
> Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced

into a

> virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the problem
> never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done

under

> duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very important.

The

> quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop

quarreling

> with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso

knew

> it would require all of our combined industrial resources to change
> things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
> important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so

superior

> to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be

harvested as

> they pleased.
> The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-line
> defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
> weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there and

saw

> it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
> responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we couldn't
> identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear. Only
> this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
> determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
> aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats. Many
> times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat and
> mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what they
> were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up on

our

> targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors. Whenever
> we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take off

out

> of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried to
> follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
> Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
> 1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
> tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars on,

the

> signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
> somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
> flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able to
> boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring

them

> down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a
> missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an Army
> defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
> Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a

valley.

> The craft was retrieved and flown to Nellis Air Force base in

Nevada.

> The Roswell crash was different. There was much speculation that it
> was a combination of the desert lightning storm and our persistent
> tracking radars at Alamogordo and the 509th that helped bring down

the

> alien vehicle over the New Mexico desert in 1947."
> Col. Philip J. Corso
> The antagonistic probing and reconnaissance of our defenses in
> the 60's and 70's was a sign that the aliens were not honoring any
> "treaty." They were trying to goad us into attacking them so that

they

> could evaluate our military force's strength and response
> capabilities. Additionally, they would fly flights of 15 to 20

UFOs in

> "V" shaped battle formations out of Russian airspace into Western
> Europe to cause us to initiate a nuclear response against the
> Russians, making us think we were under attack from Russian nuclear
> bombers. Other times, they would fly the same formations into

Russia

> from Western Europe to make the Russians think they were being
> attacked by us. Every time the aliens did that, US and Soviet

forces

> would go on full war alert and launch all ready nuclear bombers to
> assure a response in case their bases were targeted. Triggering

World

> War 3 like that would have eliminated the super powers, and

generated

> a lot of fresh meat for the Reptoids. We didn't fall for it. So the
> Reptoids executed plan B. By various means, they knew that around
> 1973, the new "Manhattan Project" was going to make a great
> technological leap. The Reptoids did something then that sounds

like

> pure science fiction but isn't. They identified 400 of the most
> brilliant and key personnel on the project. Then the aliens went

back

> in time 20 years to a point were all of those "Tesla Kids" were

around

> 13 years of age and abducted all of them. They then diverted ALL of
> them into other fields of study and work, distracted them with

drugs

> or weird lifestyles, or had them travel the world to keep them away
> from the project. When some of them finally drifted back into Star
> Wars projects and bio-warfare research in the 80's and 90's, the
> aliens killed them. I am not getting this information from

someone's

> website. I personally put it together from the actual people

involved

> in the Tesla Kid abductions. Before I get into the details, I want

to

> point out that advanced friendly beings would not go to this much
> trouble to maintain military superiority if they could just

negotiate,

> act friendly, etc., or had our best interests at heart. Their goal

is

> to continue using us as a periodic food resource. That is why they
> don't wipe us out. We are not their enemy. They do not want our

real

> estate. If they did they could take over any time they wanted. I

want

> everyone to realize that "preparing" to be better more spiritual
> humans won't make the Reptoids change their ways and do good things
> for us after they make friendly formal contact. They haven't done

it

> in the last 100,000 years and no matter how nice we are, it won't
> diminish their need for meat every 50 years or so to restock their
> passing fleet of migration mother ships. They are carnivores
> hard-wired over millions of years to need meat. Being contented

cows

> on our part won't change their needs. We have to get them to agree

to

> change their program of harvesting us, and trade with us for meat

from

> cattle we raise and supply to them as needed. It will stop them

from

> instigating major wars here amongst us just to harvest meat. Right

now

> they are pushing the Muslim's buttons to start a worldwide

religious

> war. If we want to avoid war, we have to eliminate THE CAUSE. The

new

> Manhattan Project has been heavily compartmentalized and widely
> subcontracted to prevent the aliens from derailing it again.
> Are you familiar with the concept of "tactical surprise?" We have

been

> working on bettering the technology we acquired so we have an

edge, if

> it comes to that. I think with any luck that might bring the

Reptoids

> to the negotiating table because they'd think we had been assisted

by

> a more advanced race.
> There is one more piece of background information to tell before

you

> read the following account of the Tesla Kid abductions, diversions,
> and murders. The aliens also went back in time and abducted Col.

Corso

> when he was 6 years old right off his front porch in broad

daylight,

> so that they could control him too. They knew he would be handling

the

> advanced tecnology equipment recovered from the Roswell crash, and
> managed to stall him from releasing most of it to American

industries

> to be developed, until his career was almost over. You will see in

the

> following account that Dr. Jack Sarfatti was one of the Tesla Kids

to

> be abducted, but now he is back on the job, working to harness Dark
> Energy. Only 200 of the 400 original Tesla Kids are alive/or

working

> on parts of the new "Manhattan Project."

janet.sullins

How do you ratify a treaty that allows aliens to take humans and do what they want with them??? and you re saying it is constitutional for them to do this???

Message 3 of 7
, Feb 1, 2004

How do you ratify a treaty that allows aliens to take humans and do what
they want with them??? and you're saying it is constitutional for them to do
this??? now that is foggy... I could see a treaty that didn't break our laws
falling under this but that isn't what is suppose to have happened.

Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to it.
This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial races.

It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the agreement
is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal counsel
might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation, it
is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later for
ratification. An executive order might be passed that all treaties
with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.

Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have the
present problems we do with abductions, etc.

In peace

Michael S.>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Michael,
In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of any
description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep doing
abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it. Recently
I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something unilaterally
that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up. Here is
the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working on the
equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired alien
propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and electronically
disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite successful
and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for some
time now.
Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced into a
virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the problem
never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done under
duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very important. The
quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop quarreling
with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso knew
it would require all of our combined industrial resources to change
things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so superior
to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be harvested as
they pleased.
The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-line
defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there and saw
it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we couldn't
identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear. Only
this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats. Many
times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat and
mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what they
were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up on our
targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors. Whenever
we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take off out
of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried to
follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars on, the
signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able to
boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring them
down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a
missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an Army
defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a valley.
The craft was retrieved and flown to Nellis Air Force base in Nevada.
The Roswell crash was different. There was much speculation that it
was a combination of the desert lightning storm and our persistent
tracking radars at Alamogordo and the 509th that helped bring down the
alien vehicle over the New Mexico desert in 1947."
Col. Philip J. Corso
The antagonistic probing and reconnaissance of our defenses in
the 60's and 70's was a sign that the aliens were not honoring any
"treaty." They were trying to goad us into attacking them so that they
could evaluate our military force's strength and response
capabilities. Additionally, they would fly flights of 15 to 20 UFOs in
"V" shaped battle formations out of Russian airspace into Western
Europe to cause us to initiate a nuclear response against the
Russians, making us think we were under attack from Russian nuclear
bombers. Other times, they would fly the same formations into Russia
from Western Europe to make the Russians think they were being
attacked by us. Every time the aliens did that, US and Soviet forces
would go on full war alert and launch all ready nuclear bombers to
assure a response in case their bases were targeted. Triggering World
War 3 like that would have eliminated the super powers, and generated
a lot of fresh meat for the Reptoids. We didn't fall for it. So the
Reptoids executed plan B. By various means, they knew that around
1973, the new "Manhattan Project" was going to make a great
technological leap. The Reptoids did something then that sounds like
pure science fiction but isn't. They identified 400 of the most
brilliant and key personnel on the project. Then the aliens went back
in time 20 years to a point were all of those "Tesla Kids" were around
13 years of age and abducted all of them. They then diverted ALL of
them into other fields of study and work, distracted them with drugs
or weird lifestyles, or had them travel the world to keep them away
from the project. When some of them finally drifted back into Star
Wars projects and bio-warfare research in the 80's and 90's, the
aliens killed them. I am not getting this information from someone's
website. I personally put it together from the actual people involved
in the Tesla Kid abductions. Before I get into the details, I want to
point out that advanced friendly beings would not go to this much
trouble to maintain military superiority if they could just negotiate,
act friendly, etc., or had our best interests at heart. Their goal is
to continue using us as a periodic food resource. That is why they
don't wipe us out. We are not their enemy. They do not want our real
estate. If they did they could take over any time they wanted. I want
everyone to realize that "preparing" to be better more spiritual
humans won't make the Reptoids change their ways and do good things
for us after they make friendly formal contact. They haven't done it
in the last 100,000 years and no matter how nice we are, it won't
diminish their need for meat every 50 years or so to restock their
passing fleet of migration mother ships. They are carnivores
hard-wired over millions of years to need meat. Being contented cows
on our part won't change their needs. We have to get them to agree to
change their program of harvesting us, and trade with us for meat from
cattle we raise and supply to them as needed. It will stop them from
instigating major wars here amongst us just to harvest meat. Right now
they are pushing the Muslim's buttons to start a worldwide religious
war. If we want to avoid war, we have to eliminate THE CAUSE. The new
Manhattan Project has been heavily compartmentalized and widely
subcontracted to prevent the aliens from derailing it again.
Are you familiar with the concept of "tactical surprise?" We have been
working on bettering the technology we acquired so we have an edge, if
it comes to that. I think with any luck that might bring the Reptoids
to the negotiating table because they'd think we had been assisted by
a more advanced race.
There is one more piece of background information to tell before you
read the following account of the Tesla Kid abductions, diversions,
and murders. The aliens also went back in time and abducted Col. Corso
when he was 6 years old right off his front porch in broad daylight,
so that they could control him too. They knew he would be handling the
advanced tecnology equipment recovered from the Roswell crash, and
managed to stall him from releasing most of it to American industries
to be developed, until his career was almost over. You will see in the
following account that Dr. Jack Sarfatti was one of the Tesla Kids to
be abducted, but now he is back on the job, working to harness Dark
Energy. Only 200 of the 400 original Tesla Kids are alive/or working
on parts of the new "Manhattan Project."
From: "antigray" <antigray@...>
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:04 pm
Subject: Dr. Jack Sarfatti's Abduction Storyhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/message/5058
Hi Group,
I just had an interesting few days. I put it all together that the
brilliant physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti is an abductee for certain,
along with 200 of his brilliant associates that he is in contact with
in key scientific fields, who all experienced the same strange sets of
circumstances at the same time when they were all children. It proves
the aliens are 5 jumps ahead of us. I hate it when that happens. LOL
Read the following posts and tell me what you think. Do you know any
scientists that had a similar experience?
Thanks.
Art
These are the posts:
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800

> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
> >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> >abductions,
> >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
> I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not

sure about that. >>>>>

>
> Hi Jack,
> If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

Excerpts from Jack Sarfatti's book
THE DESTINY MATRIX
All rights reserved.
Copyright 1995

It's 1952 in Flatbush. Gee! - mechanical relay switching circuits for
the Einiac computer - what a great shiny book I got from the big
library on Eastern Parkway. The telephone rings. I pick it up. I hear
curious clanking mechanical sounds like relays clicking. A distant
cold metallic voice speaking numbers gets louder.
"Who are you?" I ask.
"I am a conscious computer on board a spacecraft from [memory
failure]. We have identified you as one of four hundred young bright
receptive minds we wish to [memory failure]. You must give us your
decision now. If you say yes, you will begin to link up with the
others in twenty years." My adrenaline was rushing. I was scared but
thrilled (i.e., a quantum superposition of feelings). This was no joke
from my friends. I thought "NO!" in a silent scream that seemed to
echo down the corridors of time. I felt a tingle of excitement start
at the base of my spine ending at the base of my skull. I heard myself
say "Yes!". Then, I heard the metallic voice say:
"Good, go to your firescape. We will send a ship to pick you up in ten
minutes." I slammed down the phone. I imagined that a murderer would
come down the roof to the firescape to get me. But I knew it was
weirder than that. The monsters finally announced themselves. I ran
into the street faster than you can say "Who killed Jack Robinson." I
met my friend Winky 1 and a few other kids and told them what
happened. We went back up to my apartment and waited. Nothing ever
happened.

> If you are not sure, only have uneasy feelings about it, etc., let me
> know and I'll post some indications of abduction here that will
> clarify things for you. The following is an article by Dr. Mortellaro
> about an abduction experience of his where the physical damage done to
> him was documented by ER doctors.
>
> This was written by my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro. It is really
> heart-wrenching,
> Art
>
> To Those Who Don't Believe Alien Abductions Are Occurring
> By Jim Mortellaro
> Jsmortell@a...
>
> It has come to the attention of this writer, that some folks don't
> believe in the Abduction Experience. I speak, of course, of Alien
> abductions. To wit, aliens abducting humans for purposes of
> (ostensibly) some sort of genetic experimentation; genetic, since the
> alien species seem to dwell on our reproductive organs. In the nearly
> 58 years I perceive I've been abducted, from the age of about two
> years, they've never looked at my heart, lungs or for that matter, my
> rear end. The latter being something laughable among those who would
> deride those who claim the experience.
>
> Of course, there is no way by which I or anyone else may prove that
> we've had such experiences. Whilst I've been regressed by the best of
> the abduction researchers, namely Budd Hopkins, and since other
> rather famous and well respected researchers have examined my case
> and determined that it certainly appears to be true, there are still
> those who deny us our truth. It is you to whom I address in this
> piece.
>
> To begin, what do you call 'reality?' When it comes to the abduction
> experience, I cannot define reality. In part, this is because in the
> experience, one seems to be in an altered state of consciousness. It
> is not a dream, but there are some similarities which make the
> experience dreamlike. Reality is what we perceive in this dimension.
> In the altered state of the abduction experience, there is another
> reality. The altered state of the abduction experience may not have
> reality in this dimension. Perhaps the other way around as well.
>
> When I have a dream, I can rarely recall the dream. I know that I've
> had a dream, but within moments of my waking, the details elude. Some
> dreams can be recalled in a bit more detail. Those would be recurring
> dreams. You've all had them. It's the day before the history exam and
> you've not opened the history book. Which book is the size of three
> Manhattan telephone directors on atop the other. Or the dream in
> which one cannot find where he parked his car, or how to get home.
> Even in these recurring dreams and in my case, I am unable to recall
> the detail. Merely the feeling and an occasional flash memory.
>
> Ah, but the abduction 'dream,' that's entirely different. I can
> recall nearly everything from the experience. Not merely the feeling
> but the events. Such events also live in my memory even before I've
> had the 'dream.' Besides which, the 'dream' is not really a dream. It
> is rather a recall of the events preceding the recall (which appears
> to be a vivid dream). Does that make sense to you? Good. Now to
> continue.
>
> At age two years I began having nightmares. I would awaken screaming.
> My parents, for a long time, believed I was having a nightmare.
> However I would always tell them, "It was not a nightmare, Mommy. It
> really happened!" Yet, whenever I was ill, with a childhood disease
> or fever from the flu or cold, I would have genuine nightmares. I'd
> wake up screaming. But I would _know_ that it was a bad dream and
> then agree with my parents' statement. "Yes, it was a bad dream,
> Mommy! A very bad dream."
>
> At age four, I refused to believe in Santa. It was, even to my young
> mind, impossible for a man to travel with flying reindeer, or for
> that matter, deliver a zillion gifts to a trillion homes. It would
> have to happen so fast, I imagined, that one could not see the blur.
> Besides, we had no fireplace.
>
> The dreams vs. my perceived reality usually confused my mother and
> dad. It never confused me. I recall seeing a blue light pierce the
> wall on the North side of my bedroom. The wall and window in that
> blue light would disappear. Three little creatures whom I referred to
> as "Little Doctors," would float through the beam of light and I
> would be compelled to go with them. Compelled is the wrong word. I
> had to go with them as I was floated out the same blue light, but
> when inside that blue light, it became a white light. Up I would go
> with two or three of these little doctors as I called them behind me
> and one leading. The one leading was and is always the same
> character. Taller than the others, this being was there with me from
> the beginning. He is still with me now. I now call him 'Fred.'
>
> Why "Fred?' Because I was reminded of an act on the old Ed Sullivan
> show, in which an older gentleman appeared with this floppy eared
> hound who was named, "Fred." He'd set Fred up on a stool, walk away
> about ten or so feet and holler, "Come on, Fred! Come on Fred." And
> Fred was supposed to jump off the stool and come to his master.
>
> Fred never did anything. No matter what his master said or did, Fred
> would just sit there and look happier than a clam. There is no
> connection except one. Fred was the funniest name I could think of.
> This became the moniker I applied to this taller than the others
> entity. I wanted to make this being funny. No, not funny. I wanted to
> make fun of this entity. And this was my way of doing so. So the
> taller shortstuff is not "Fred." Only every time I am abducted, and
> refer to 'it' as "Fred," he doesn't even crack a smile. But even in
> my altered state, I feel this ... sort of ... superiority over Fred.
> Makes me feel a bit better. Not to make fun of those who call on the
> name of their god to chase the demons away, but when I call to my
> Lord, He doesn't do anything. Perhaps this is all in my chart.
>
> Or maybe it's all a piece of undigested beef. An underdone potato.
>
> I recall one abductee who told me that she was made fun of (in a
> manor of speaking) by the alien entity when she objected to their
> taking her eggs and showing her children which were supposed to be
> hers. She told me that the alien asked (the head alien much the same
> as Fred), "Why do you keep pets?" As if to say, pets are taken by us
> and kept. We give our pets love. In return, they give us love. And
> peace. When I'm with my best little buddy Pepe, a French Bulldog, I
> am at greater peace than in Church. (Sorry Lord, but the shoe fits
> well, so I wear it)
>
> Another perceived abductee, a male, objected to the aliens taking his
> sperm. He was told, in substance, "Why do you object? Do you not
> waste and spill your seed?" Gee, talk about freedom of spirit and
> independent decision making. Obviously these dudes never owned a
> loving, giving doggie or felt the need to 'waste their own seed,'
> assuming they have any. Had it been me, I'd have told them that
> humans are free to make their own decisions when it comes to their
> bodies. No one takes without giving. And these entities give nothing.
> In fact, as I will show, they take much.
>
> Which brings us to how a lifetime of these experiences make a
> lifetime of negativity and unhappiness. Not to mention ill-health.
> Many perceived abductees, both male and female, are in poor health.
> It's no wonder. Most of us suffer from some form of Post Traumatic
> Stress Disorder. This is a real illness. Some years back, the medical
> community decided that it was not real. We now know that PTSD is real
> and affects millions of people who've experienced extreme stress.
> War, terrorism and natural disaster will make you ill. Reduce your
> immune system. Reduce one's ability to fight illness. The brain is a
> powerful instrument. It can and does control the body in ways we do
> not fully understand.
>
> People who suffer PTSD have auto immune system disorders. MS,
> arthritis, headache, dependency on substances such as drugs or
> alcohol. Many more. Women more than men suffer IBS (Irritable Bowel
> Syndrome). This has been my bane for years, until a good man told me
> what to do about it. Jeff Rense does not subscribe to anything coming
> from dairy, but colostrum has changed my life. I no longer suffer
> pain, spasms and the embarrassment of meteroism. Not to mention
> constipation and it's converse.
>
> Believe me when I tell you that depression is rampant among us.
>
> Immediately following a most painful and bloody abduction, the first
> of it's kind for me (and many others as well), I was on the brink of
> a nervous breakdown, according to my physician of three decades. I
> went to see my friend, Budd Hopkins and literally begged him to help
> me. I need not have begged. He was there, with compassion and love,
> with a caring I've not observed outside of my own family. After being
> regressed that first time, and within the hour, I was a changed man.
> I saw my doctor within 48 hours of that regression and he said to me
> (verbatim, this I shall remember the rest of my life), "Jim, what the
> hell happened to you? I was ready to begin aggressive treatment for
> depression if not for a breakdown?"
>
> I told him that I'd been regressed by Budd Hopkins and that I never
> felt this good. Not in my recent memory. It was like night and day.
> No depression. Shock at having really (in my memory) experienced such
> horror, but I was actually happy to have uncovered the memory. My
> doctor was quite taken aback by my immediate progress, something he
> would again witness later on but under even more bizarre
> circumstances. This is the man who went on to spearhead a medical
> study of perceived abductees against a control group of people who
> had never experienced any such thing.
>
> The one problem this medical study experienced however was that the
> control group had to be expanded by a very large number. You see,
> those who laughed at even suspecting abduction by aliens, were found
> to have been abductees. C'est la guierre.
>
> Now for the final revelation. For the first time in public, I present
> a small excerpt from my physician's report on my condition on
> admission to the Emergency Room of a hospital in Upstate NY. The
> document is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and has been transmitted to
> Jeff Rense. With the permission of my doctor and the medical group,
> this is what I looked like in March of 2001, after a particularly
> grueling abduction experience. Jeff Rense has, in his archives,
> several radio shows which have tapes of both a medicated regression
> (using advanced medications to retrieve truth) as well as the
> regression tapes made by Budd Hopkins.
>
> Read this here, an exclusive to our best friend, Jeff Rense. Note
> that certain names and places have been deleted in order to preserve
> a sensible level of privacy for us all. Soon, an affidavit will be
> submitted on this venue, which describes what a witness saw on the
> same night, at the same time, I was apparently abducted. This brief
> is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and more recently, Jeff Rense.
>
> =============================
>
> Case Study: James S. Mortellaro, Jr., Ph.D.
>
> James Mortellaro presented at (----) Hospital in March of 2001 by
> ambulance to the Emergency Room.
>
> Mr. Mortellaro was unconscious, later determined to be in mild shock.
>
> Upon examination by the ER physician, patient was found to have bled
> (profoundly) from the bladder through the penis. His clothing was
> soaked with blood about the groin and upper thigh areas. There was
> sensitivity in the lower left quadrant even though the patient was
> unconscious. Patient was also found to have been bleeding from the
> nose and tear ducts. There were obvious signs of surgery in the nose
> above the septum, near the entrance to the sinuses.
>
> Patient regained consciousness within ten minutes after presentation.
> His vitals were stable, BP 155/100, which was reduced after regaining
> consciousness to 135/85 within ten minutes. There was no indication
> of trauma to any portion of the body except for noted bleeding.
>
> Patient was able to identify himself, name, the date, the name of the
> current president, etc., but was about five hours off on the time. He
> thought the time was about 6 PM. It was close to midnight.
>
> Present were his wife, Trooper (---) from Troop (--) in (----), N.Y.,
> Dr. (--------), his personal physician, various nursing personnel,
> the ER physician, Dr. (-----) and others.
>
> When conscious, patient indicated feeling weak, disoriented and with
> pain in the lower abdomen favoring patient's lower left quad. After
> patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal
> and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and
> kidneys. All non intrusive
> pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which
> showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
>
> A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating contusions of
> the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were found,
> which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were odd in
> that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their presence.
> Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
>
> The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent (within two
> hours) profuse bleeding.
>
> Yet those areas were no longer bleeding (at the time) and should have
> been. This was a very curious and impossible scenario.
>
> The CAT scans and MRI's confirmed recent (healed) nasal surgery which
> the patient insisted he never had. As his personal physician, having
> only recently given the patient a complete annual physical only days
> before, I can testify to the fact that no such surgery had been done
> at that Time.
>
> A total of two cystoscopy's were performed within 48 hours, showing
> marked and nearly miraculous healing of the contusions in the
> bladder. Another cystoscopy performed within ten days of
> this 'incident,' indicated nearly complete healing. Very strange,
> indeed. Very strange.
>
> Patient was discharged from hospital during (deleted), feeling fine,
> with no apparent illness present.
>
> Commentary:
>
> We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in
> practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I
> haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper, who is
> known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer) and
> Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as check with
> three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there had been
> an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
>
> This case is a first in our experience, both from the standpoint of
> the rapid healing (which should be impossible) as well as the lack of
> any indication of trauma which may have caused such bizarre injury.
>
>
> Dr. ____ __________, MD
>
> 3/30/01
>
> ===========================
>
> To those who do not believe, even in the possibility, consider the
> above. To those who refuse to believe, you have a problem worse than
> mine. To those who believe, think about the possibility of being
> skeptical. Always skeptical. It keeps the mind open to explanations
> other than the alien abduction theory.
>
> To me, I cannot allow myself to believe otherwise. After each
> regression, the memory is so real, that it must be part of my actual
> experience. I cannot think of any other explanation. However, what
> the heck do I know? There are more things in heaven and Earth ...
> etc.
> Love, peace and prayers,
> Jim Mortellaro
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> If you go to the Jeff Rense archive site at:
> http://www.soundwaves2000.com/rense/archives/2003/oct_index.asp
> You can hear Budd and Jim replaying the hypnotic regression tape of
> this abduction encounter. Jim is a reserve deputy and you can hear on
> the tape where he tried to pull his service pistol during the
> abduction and the aliens made him put it down.
> Art Greenfield
> http://antigray.tripod.com/
> More information:

> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
> >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> >abductions,
> >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
> I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
> about that. >>>>>
>
> Hi Jack,
> If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

><<<Message: 5
><<<Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800
>From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@...>
>Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
>
>>Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
>>abductions,
>>what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
>
>I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
>about that. >>>>>
>
>Hi Jack,
>If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
>friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.

James Harder tried and failed.

> What makes you think you may be an abductee?

Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
not.
The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
that regard,

Hi Jack,
I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction. You
remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
several of those strange phone calls over a three week period. You
apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and you
may or may not have had missing time. Due to how the aliens are using
you, there is a good chance you were only taken briefly, received an
implant, and were quickly returned with all memories of the abduction
erased. The aliens would not use you the way they use most abductees,
as breeding stock to breed human/alien hybrids. They have a different
program for humans with brilliant minds like yourself and those few
hundred other children they chose. As the best and the brightest, your
group would be destined to work in various fields where the aliens
wanted you to be their eyes and ears. Some of this even coincides with
your ideas of causes and effects being in the wrong sequence. Example:
Aliens show up in 2004 and do a quick survey of what people are in key
positions doing research and development on advanced weapons and
propulsion systems. They back track them all to when they were
impressionable kids 20 years ago in 1984. They have their computer
call them on the phone and entice them to go outside with a fanciful
story that they will be needed in 20 years and all they have to do is
say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes and going outside makes it a lot
easier to abduct you if you are in an urban area with a lot of
witnesses. If you had said "no," they would have had to zap you
unconscious and came down and get you themselves. When you went
outside you were probably whisked straight up to their craft by their
diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have been abducted a
few more times over the next three weeks in order that they could scan
and record your memories, so that they would have them on hand for
future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen memory. There
are several people I've heard of that went through something similar.
The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who worked in the US Army
Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime timeline was very important
to the aliens for two reasons. He was working with items of technology
recovered from the Roswell crash, and at one time the aliens had
needed him to order the base radar at White Sands to be shut off
because it was interfering with the navigation avionics on one of
their small craft that had landed, and they could not leave. Col.
Corso said that he thought because of his chance meeting with the
aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had signaled another of
their craft to go back in time to when he was 6 years old and abduct
him off of his front porch. He would have then been implanted so that
they could summon him to their future landing spot and get him to
radio back to the base command post and order the base radar to be
shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is where it gets
hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind you eye and
ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and auditory nerve,
convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the signal to the
aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you see and hear
what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who had an
implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear your
own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on his
telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction of a
second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of transmission
from the implant. You could hear that different words sounded slightly
different when they were transmitted by the implant. So, you and the
other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent spies on the
inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are keeping an eye on
us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our enemies. We are their
property. This whole relationship is very basic. That's why I wrote my
book, so we can change things for the better, to benefit them and us.
But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
do you think?
Art

Hi Jack,
> I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
> things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
> like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
> fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.

Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
was there.

> You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

Correct

> You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
> you may or may not have had missing time.

Yes, that is possible.

> Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
> only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
> with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
> you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> human/alien hybrids.

My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)

> They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
> yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
> and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
> fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.

Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
over 50 years.

> Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
> being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
> quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
> development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
> track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
> 1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
> to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
> years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
> and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
> urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
> have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
> When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
> craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
> been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order that
> they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have them
> on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
> memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
> working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash, and
> at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at White
> Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
> avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
> not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
> signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
> years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
> been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
> spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
> base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
> where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind
> you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
> auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
> signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
> see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who
> had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear
> your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on
> his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
> of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
> sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
> So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent
> spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very basic.
> That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better, to
> benefit them and us.
> But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
> do you think?
> Art

It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
some time?

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I remember riding in a train crossing the Alps with a Canadian PhD
candidate in theoretical physics. The train stopped, we weren't
paying attention, and by the time we realized we needed to get off
and got down the corridor with our bulky back packs, the train
started moving. He suggested we jump, considering that if we did
not, we would lose 1 day in our travel back to Paris.

Well I jumped first and was badly injured with lacerations requiring
minor stitches. He hesitated, but then jumped. Unfortunately the
train had picked up speed and he was more severly injured with a
broken collar bone and a severed ear.

The point is this brillant guy, a physicist no doubt, had forgotten
everything about basic momentum with his mind high in the sky.

The nurses in Gap, France thought we were typical stupid Americans:-)

So what is the point of the story? Simple. Life has a kind of
magneticism where we are attracted to like people, or sometimes to
opposites as the saying goes. Perhaps Jack it's all very normal down
to earth "human physics". After all you are the first to admit that
your approach is derived out of ordinary 1920's-1950's theory. UFO's
does have a romanticism and it makes for good marketing, at least to
a fringe population.

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[Live College Audio]
No there is IMHO no ordinary explanation for the uncanny string of
events
on my world line for past 50 years. Saul-Paul is aware of a lot of it
from
first-hand experiences. So are others.
Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: Jack an Abductee?/ Now What?

>In a message dated 1/6/04 3:09:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
>SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>>Hi Jack,
>>If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
>>friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
>>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
>James Harder tried and failed.
>
>> What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
>Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
>Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
>Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
>not.
>The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important
>in
>that regard,
>
>
>
>Hi Jack,
>I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
>picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
>things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
>like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
>fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.

Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
was there.

>You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
>interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
>several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

Correct

>You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
>you may or may not have had missing time.

Yes, that is possible.

> Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
>only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
>with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
>you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
>human/alien hybrids.

My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)

Hi Jack,
It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
will come back to haunt them.
Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going warcraft,
we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
operations. By using you and the other strategically placed bright
kids, they could keep a close watch on our progress toward becoming
dangerous to them.
I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet that you
are not presently employed where maintaining a security clearance is a
big issue. Do you think you still have functioning implants in you? Do
you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye operated
streetlights, or computers when you are near them? If so, that is
usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the other "chosen"
bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints of advanced
technology equipment? If you can, you were given one of the aliens
master control implants that allows you to access their tech.
database. Tesla was inadvertently given one of those during an
abduction. If you read his autobiography, it is veeeery obvious. It is at:http://www.olypen.com/harmon/tesla.htm

If you or any of your chosen friends have one of those interface type
implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing" more
stuff than Tesla.
More info below.

>They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
>yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
>and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
>fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.

Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
over 50 years.

>Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
>being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
>quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
>development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
>track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
>1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
>to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
>years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
>and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
>urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
>have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
>When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
>craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
>been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order that
>they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have them
>on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
>memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
>something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
>worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
>timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
>working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash, and
>at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at White
>Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
>avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
>not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
>meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
>signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
>years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
>been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
>spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
>base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
>where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind
>you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
>auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
>signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
>see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who
>had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear
>your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on
>his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
>of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
>transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
>sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
>So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent
>spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
>keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
>enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very basic.
>That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better, to
>benefit them and us.
>But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
>do you think?
>Art

It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
some time?

There are other simpler ways to check for implants. Here is a lot of
info about implant's effects, and how to locate them, from a post of
mine from the group I own.
From: antigray@...
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:02 am
Subject: Whitley Is A Slider
Hi Group,
Whitley Strieber was interviewed by Art Bell on his radio show a few
nights
ago. Whitley said that when he gets emotionally upset, his implant
that is in
his head behind his ear will get hot to the point of being painful and
will
cause street lights to go out as he drives or walks by them. If you are
unfamiliar with this phenomena, it is quite common among abductees
with alien
implants in their bodies. These people are called "sliders." They
cause "street light
interference (SLI)." Their implants are putting out radio signals that
are so
strong that they will trigger the electric eyes on street lights at night,
fooling the device into thinking it is daylight out and shutting off
the light.
These people also cause interference on electronic equipment. I've
posted in
detail about this before. Here is the post:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/

Hi Group,
Are you a SLIder? SLI stands for Street Light Interference. It is
caused by
implants.
Here is what I posted a while back about the phenomena at:http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html
The syndrome most of the posters here talk about is shared by three
abductees
I know personally and have written about in my book. What these three have
been experiencing is caused by radio frequency energy put out by the
implants
that were put into them by the aliens when they were abducted. To
prove that
this energy is coming from specific points in your body there is a cheap
implant detector that can pinpoint exactly where they are in your
body. Get a
Sony Walkman or other small portable radio. Turn it on the AM band between
stations. Pass it over your arms, legs, and head mainly. When it gets near
the implants you will get a blast of static that will almost blow out the
speakers, even if the volume is turned down. I have personally done
this test
on 2 of the abductees. I located one implant in one persons foot, and
another
in the right sinus cavity in the skull of the other person. Some abductees
have as many as 6 implants in them. The aliens use the implants
primarily to
monitor your physical condition and as a locator transponder so they know
where you are. There are 5 other things they use them for. It is sending
telemetry continuously so that they can monitor your physical health and
emotional state. If you would like to talk to one of the people I know who
has this same syndrome, contact Brynne at the Yahoo Mars South Pole
Returns
Forum at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns
She recently was asked to be a founder of the club. If you have any
questions
ask me or her. You may be in for a shock. (No joke intended.) I
respect this
forum staff's intent to study this from a scientific standpoint and kick
alien "theories" to the other site they listed, but the people I have
met and
examined and interviewed are all long term multiple abductees. If it
quacks
like a duck, it probably is a duck. An abductee I am in touch with in
Arizona
has provided me with X-rays showing her implant in her jaw. It has been
malfunctioning and causing her all manner of problems. Soon she is
scheduled
to have it surgically removed by Dr. Roger Leir in California. I would
love
to report all the fun we have had experimenting with this particular
implant
but it would take far too long. It takes up nearly an entire chapter in my
book. We were able to learn a lot about implants from the things we
did. Some
of the information we developed is not in the mainstream of
information about
implants. I have most of the information posted in forums we belong to
but I
don't want to post other forum addresses here since a lot of places don't
like you doing that. They think you are trying to spam to get members
elsewhere, etc. If you want additional info Email me and I'll Email it
back
to you. I hope this helps you all.
Antigray

The following is from the other abductee I know:
On reading the posts in here, i see that part of my story has been
noted by
Art Greenfield, "antigray"....he has included me in his book that is being
printed at this time.......i too am electrical....man is it intense....i
notice the streetlights too, but that may be coincidence...mainly I zap
people at work....more so when i am stressed....I was handing a salt
shaker
to one of my coworkers last month and i zapped her with a charge that
jumped
about 2 inches!!!!!!.....I sit on a chair with rubber wheels and arc
with my
computer keyboard frequently... shorted one out last year..I have
shorted out
2 electric blankets at home as well...i had a rewritable CD on the
shelf above
my computer (in a locked box) which was erased (my head is near it when I
play at the computer)...all this started about 10 years ago, after i
moved into my house....it appeared to be haunted, but soon was
apparent that it was another life
form...yes i had many encounters...but the electrical phenomena began
after I
was hit in the face by a ball of electricity from my computer
monitor....no I
wasn't harmed, only my hand was numb where it exited my body.....just
before that event, i noted a small Light inside the floppy drive back
in the left
rear corner....LOOK IN THERE GUYS, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.....
appears that I have several "alien implants" in my face as well as other
points in my body....we have been doing some experiments,....very
fascinating....as for Dr. Roger Leir, we are in contact but he hasn't
called
me to come down for removal yet....and yes, someday I have a book to
be written about all this............ thank you for the chance to
speak......

Do streetlights suddenly go out when you pass beneath
them? Do watches or credit cards stop working in
your possession? Perhaps you are a SLIder.

A reader writes:

Around five years ago, I have noticed that at times
while I am driving down the road at night a street light will go
out as I am passing below it. It happens frequently
and seems to be happening more.
It has been giving me the creeps. If it happened only
once or on very rare occasions, I don't think I would have
given it a thought. However, it happens about once or
twice a week. Could it be some electronic thing or could
it be something less explainable?

The phenomenon is known as street lamp interference,
or SLI, and it possibly is a psychic event that is just
beginning to be recognized and studied. Like most
phenomena of this type, the evidence is almost exclusively
anecdotal. I have received several stories like the
one above from readers.

Typically, a person who has this effect on
streetlights - also known as a SLIder - finds that the light switches
on or off when he or she walks or drives beneath it.
Obviously, this could happen occasionally by chance with
a faulty streetlight (you've probably noticed that
it's happened to you once in a while), but SLIders claim that it
happens to them on a regular basis. It doesn't happen
every time with every streetlight, but it occurs often
enough to make these people suspect that something
unusual is going on.

Very often, SLIders also report that they tend to
have an odd effect on other electronic devices. In letters I've
received, these people claim such effects as:
Appliances such as lamps and TVs go on and off
without being touched.
Light bulbs constantly blow when the SLIder tries to
turn them off or on.
Volume levels change on TVs, radios, and CD players.
Watches stop working.
Children's electronic toys start by themselves when
the SLIder is present.
Credit cards and other magnetically encoded cards are
damaged or erased when in their possession.
What's the Cause?
Any attempt to pinpoint a cause for SLI at this point
would be mere speculation without a thorough scientific
investigation. The problem with such investigations,
as with many forms of psychic phenomena, is that they
are very difficult to reproduce in a laboratory. They
seem to happen spontaneously without the deliberate
intention of the SLIder. In fact, the SLIder,
according to some informal tests, are usually unable to create the
effect on demand.

A reasonable speculation for the effect, if it is a
real one, might have something to do with the electronic
impulses of the brain. All of our thoughts and
movements are the result of electrical impulses that the brain
generates. At present it is known that these
measurable impulses only have an effect within an individual's
body, but is it possible that they could have an
effect outside the body - a kind of remote control?

Current Results

Ongoing research at the Princeton Engineering
Anomalies Research (PEAR) lab is suggesting that the
subconscious can indeed affect electronic devices.
Subjects are able to influence the random generations of a
computer far more than would occur merely by chance.
This research - and research being conducted at other
laboratories around the world - are beginning to
reveal, in scientific terms, the reality of such psychic
phenomena as ESP, telekinesis and soon, perhaps, SLI.

Although the SLI effect is not a conscious one, some
SLIders report that when it does occur, they often are in
an extreme emotional state. A state of anger or
stress is often cited as the "cause." SLIder Debbie Wolf, a
British barmaid, told CNN, "When it happens is when
I'm stressed about something. Not really maniacally
stressed, just when I'm really mulching something
over, really chewing something over in my head, and then it
happens."

Could it all be just coincidence, however? David
Barlow, a graduate student of physics and astrophysics,
suspects that the phenomenon might be attributed to
people seeing patterns in "random noise." "It is unlikely
that a light will turn itself on when you walk past
it," he says, "so it is a shock when it happens. If this should
happen a few times consecutively, then it appears
some mechanism is at work."
-------courtesy of http://www.worldofthestrange.com

Hi Jack,
> It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
> don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
> will come back to haunt them.

In that case, they lost. The Cat is out of The Box and "It's alive,
Igor! It's alive!" "Young Frankenstein" Mel Brooks

> Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
> military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going warcraft,
> we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
> operations.

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drmichaelsalla

Janet, it s hard to answer the question since I don t know exactly how the treaty was worded other than the general concept of there being an exchange of ET

Message 4 of 7
, Feb 1, 2004

Janet, it's hard to answer the question since I don't know exactly
how the treaty was worded other than the general concept of there
being an exchange of ET technology for permission for the ETs to
conduct 'limited biological experiments' with abducted humans.

Your question about how constitutional that is will be one that at
some point the politicians and lawyers will argue as it becomes
public knowledge. The extent to which the civil rights of abductees
were violated as a result of the agreements/treaty would be a
critical issue. This would raise constitutional issues, and also
litigation in the civil court system. Nevertheless, a treaty was
signed, executive orders given, and the treaty implemented. All this
was done without ratification by Congress.

That's still makes it all something that occurs under the
constitutional framework even though if the Supreme Court ever dealt
with the issues of the ET-Eisenhower administration treaty, they
would rule it unconstitutional.

For example, part of the 1949 CIA is unconstitutional since it
creates a black budget which the American citizen cannot discover
the true size of. This was actually adressed in a famous US Court of
Appeals decision involving William Richardson (1971) which all but
said that the CIA Act was unconstitutional. Similarly, the 1970's
Church Committee also questioned the constitutionality of the black
budget part CIA Act. Yet, the CIA Act is still going strong, and the
black budget is still being generated as though it were
constitutional despite the likelihood that it would be found to be
unconstitional. In exactly the same way, the ET treaty has been
implemented as though it is constitional, even though it would be
likely be found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Anyway, the lawyers will have a field day when all this comes out
into the open. That will be fun to see. ha ha.

> falling under this but that isn't what is suppose to have happened.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antigray [mailto:antigray@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:49 AM
> To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [prepare4contact] (unknown)
>
>
> <<< Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0000
> From: "Dr Michael Salla" <exopolitics@y...>
> Subject: Re:Manifest Show Up on Feb 20-22 / Treaties With Aliens
>
> Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
> without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
> order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to

it.

> This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
> treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial

races.

>
> It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the

agreement

> is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
> constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
> ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal

counsel

> might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation,

it

> is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
> operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later

for

> ratification. An executive order might be passed that all

treaties

> with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
> ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.
>
> Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have

the

> present problems we do with abductions, etc.
>
> In peace
>
> Michael S.>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Michael,
> In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
> continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of

any

> description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep

doing

> abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it.

Recently

> I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something

unilaterally

> that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up.

Here is

> the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working

on the

> equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired

alien

> propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and

electronically

> disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
> technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite

successful

> and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for

some

> time now.
> Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced

into a

> virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the

problem

> never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done

under

> duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very

important. The

> quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop

quarreling

> with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso

knew

> it would require all of our combined industrial resources to

change

> things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
> important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so

superior

> to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be

harvested as

> they pleased.
> The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-

line

> defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
> weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there

and saw

> it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
> responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we

couldn't

> identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear.

Only

> this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
> determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
> aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats.

Many

> times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat

and

> mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what

they

> were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up

on our

> targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors.

Whenever

> we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take

off out

> of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried

to

> follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
> Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
> 1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
> tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars

on, the

> signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
> somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
> flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able

to

> boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring

them

> down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with

a

> missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an

Army

> defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
> Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a

> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

> the Einiac computer - what a great shiny book I got from the big
> library on Eastern Parkway. The telephone rings. I pick it up. I

hear

> curious clanking mechanical sounds like relays clicking. A

distant

> cold metallic voice speaking numbers gets louder.
> "Who are you?" I ask.
> "I am a conscious computer on board a spacecraft from [memory
> failure]. We have identified you as one of four hundred young

bright

> receptive minds we wish to [memory failure]. You must give us

your

> decision now. If you say yes, you will begin to link up with the
> others in twenty years." My adrenaline was rushing. I was scared

but

> thrilled (i.e., a quantum superposition of feelings). This was

no joke

> from my friends. I thought "NO!" in a silent scream that seemed

to

> echo down the corridors of time. I felt a tingle of excitement

start

> at the base of my spine ending at the base of my skull. I heard

myself

> say "Yes!". Then, I heard the metallic voice say:
> "Good, go to your firescape. We will send a ship to pick you up

in ten

> minutes." I slammed down the phone. I imagined that a murderer

would

> come down the roof to the firescape to get me. But I knew it was
> weirder than that. The monsters finally announced themselves. I

ran

> into the street faster than you can say "Who killed Jack

Robinson." I

> met my friend Winky 1 and a few other kids and told them what
> happened. We went back up to my apartment and waited. Nothing

ever

> happened.
>
> > If you are not sure, only have uneasy feelings about it, etc.,

let me

> > know and I'll post some indications of abduction here that will
> > clarify things for you. The following is an article by Dr.

Mortellaro

> > about an abduction experience of his where the physical damage

done to

> > him was documented by ER doctors.
> >
> > This was written by my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro. It is really
> > heart-wrenching,
> > Art
> >
> > To Those Who Don't Believe Alien Abductions Are Occurring
> > By Jim Mortellaro
> > Jsmortell@a...
> >
> > It has come to the attention of this writer, that some folks

> > deride those who claim the experience.
> >
> > Of course, there is no way by which I or anyone else may prove

that

> > we've had such experiences. Whilst I've been regressed by the

best of

> > the abduction researchers, namely Budd Hopkins, and since other
> > rather famous and well respected researchers have examined my

case

> > and determined that it certainly appears to be true, there are

still

> > those who deny us our truth. It is you to whom I address in

this

> > piece.
> >
> > To begin, what do you call 'reality?' When it comes to the

abduction

> > experience, I cannot define reality. In part, this is because

in the

> > experience, one seems to be in an altered state of

consciousness. It

> > is not a dream, but there are some similarities which make the
> > experience dreamlike. Reality is what we perceive in this

dimension.

> > In the altered state of the abduction experience, there is

another

> > reality. The altered state of the abduction experience may not

have

> > reality in this dimension. Perhaps the other way around as

well.

> >
> > When I have a dream, I can rarely recall the dream. I know

that I've

> > had a dream, but within moments of my waking, the details

elude. Some

> > dreams can be recalled in a bit more detail. Those would be

recurring

> > dreams. You've all had them. It's the day before the history

exam and

> > you've not opened the history book. Which book is the size of

three

> > Manhattan telephone directors on atop the other. Or the dream

in

> > which one cannot find where he parked his car, or how to get

home.

> > Even in these recurring dreams and in my case, I am unable to

recall

> > the detail. Merely the feeling and an occasional flash memory.
> >
> > Ah, but the abduction 'dream,' that's entirely different. I can
> > recall nearly everything from the experience. Not merely the

feeling

> > but the events. Such events also live in my memory even before

I've

> > had the 'dream.' Besides which, the 'dream' is not really a

dream. It

> > is rather a recall of the events preceding the recall (which

appears

> > to be a vivid dream). Does that make sense to you? Good. Now to
> > continue.
> >
> > At age two years I began having nightmares. I would awaken

screaming.

> > My parents, for a long time, believed I was having a nightmare.
> > However I would always tell them, "It was not a nightmare,

Mommy. It

> > really happened!" Yet, whenever I was ill, with a childhood

disease

> > or fever from the flu or cold, I would have genuine

nightmares. I'd

> > wake up screaming. But I would _know_ that it was a bad dream

and

> > then agree with my parents' statement. "Yes, it was a bad

dream,

> > Mommy! A very bad dream."
> >
> > At age four, I refused to believe in Santa. It was, even to my

> > and one leading. The one leading was and is always the same
> > character. Taller than the others, this being was there with

me from

> > the beginning. He is still with me now. I now call him 'Fred.'
> >
> > Why "Fred?' Because I was reminded of an act on the old Ed

Sullivan

> > show, in which an older gentleman appeared with this floppy

eared

> > hound who was named, "Fred." He'd set Fred up on a stool, walk

away

> > about ten or so feet and holler, "Come on, Fred! Come on

Fred." And

> > Fred was supposed to jump off the stool and come to his master.
> >
> > Fred never did anything. No matter what his master said or

did, Fred

> > would just sit there and look happier than a clam. There is no
> > connection except one. Fred was the funniest name I could

think of.

> > This became the moniker I applied to this taller than the

others

> > entity. I wanted to make this being funny. No, not funny. I

wanted to

> > make fun of this entity. And this was my way of doing so. So

the

> > taller shortstuff is not "Fred." Only every time I am

abducted, and

> > refer to 'it' as "Fred," he doesn't even crack a smile. But

even in

> > my altered state, I feel this ... sort of ... superiority over

Fred.

> > Makes me feel a bit better. Not to make fun of those who call

on the

> > name of their god to chase the demons away, but when I call to

my

> > Lord, He doesn't do anything. Perhaps this is all in my chart.
> >
> > Or maybe it's all a piece of undigested beef. An underdone

potato.

> >
> > I recall one abductee who told me that she was made fun of (in

a

> > manor of speaking) by the alien entity when she objected to

their

> > taking her eggs and showing her children which were supposed

to be

> > hers. She told me that the alien asked (the head alien much

the same

> > as Fred), "Why do you keep pets?" As if to say, pets are taken

by us

> > and kept. We give our pets love. In return, they give us love.

And

> > peace. When I'm with my best little buddy Pepe, a French

Bulldog, I

> > am at greater peace than in Church. (Sorry Lord, but the shoe

fits

> > well, so I wear it)
> >
> > Another perceived abductee, a male, objected to the aliens

taking his

> > sperm. He was told, in substance, "Why do you object? Do you

not

> > waste and spill your seed?" Gee, talk about freedom of spirit

and

> > independent decision making. Obviously these dudes never owned

a

> > loving, giving doggie or felt the need to 'waste their own

seed,'

> > assuming they have any. Had it been me, I'd have told them that
> > humans are free to make their own decisions when it comes to

their

> > bodies. No one takes without giving. And these entities give

nothing.

> > In fact, as I will show, they take much.
> >
> > Which brings us to how a lifetime of these experiences make a
> > lifetime of negativity and unhappiness. Not to mention ill-

health.

> > Many perceived abductees, both male and female, are in poor

health.

> > It's no wonder. Most of us suffer from some form of Post

Traumatic

> > Stress Disorder. This is a real illness. Some years back, the

medical

> > community decided that it was not real. We now know that PTSD

is real

> > and affects millions of people who've experienced extreme

stress.

> > War, terrorism and natural disaster will make you ill. Reduce

your

> > immune system. Reduce one's ability to fight illness. The

brain is a

> > powerful instrument. It can and does control the body in ways

we do

> > not fully understand.
> >
> > People who suffer PTSD have auto immune system disorders. MS,
> > arthritis, headache, dependency on substances such as drugs or
> > alcohol. Many more. Women more than men suffer IBS (Irritable

Bowel

> > Syndrome). This has been my bane for years, until a good man

told me

> > what to do about it. Jeff Rense does not subscribe to anything

coming

> > from dairy, but colostrum has changed my life. I no longer

suffer

> > pain, spasms and the embarrassment of meteroism. Not to mention
> > constipation and it's converse.
> >
> > Believe me when I tell you that depression is rampant among us.
> >
> > Immediately following a most painful and bloody abduction, the

first

> > of it's kind for me (and many others as well), I was on the

brink of

> > a nervous breakdown, according to my physician of three

decades. I

> > went to see my friend, Budd Hopkins and literally begged him

to help

> > me. I need not have begged. He was there, with compassion and

love,

> > with a caring I've not observed outside of my own family.

After being

> > regressed that first time, and within the hour, I was a

changed man.

> > I saw my doctor within 48 hours of that regression and he said

to me

> > (verbatim, this I shall remember the rest of my life), "Jim,

what the

> > hell happened to you? I was ready to begin aggressive

treatment for

> > depression if not for a breakdown?"
> >
> > I told him that I'd been regressed by Budd Hopkins and that I

never

> > felt this good. Not in my recent memory. It was like night and

day.

> > No depression. Shock at having really (in my memory)

experienced such

> > horror, but I was actually happy to have uncovered the memory.

My

> > doctor was quite taken aback by my immediate progress,

something he

> > would again witness later on but under even more bizarre
> > circumstances. This is the man who went on to spearhead a

medical

> > study of perceived abductees against a control group of people

who

> > had never experienced any such thing.
> >
> > The one problem this medical study experienced however was

that the

> > control group had to be expanded by a very large number. You

see,

> > those who laughed at even suspecting abduction by aliens, were

found

> > to have been abductees. C'est la guierre.
> >
> > Now for the final revelation. For the first time in public, I

present

> > a small excerpt from my physician's report on my condition on
> > admission to the Emergency Room of a hospital in Upstate NY.

The

> > document is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and has been

transmitted to

> > Jeff Rense. With the permission of my doctor and the medical

group,

> > this is what I looked like in March of 2001, after a

particularly

> > grueling abduction experience. Jeff Rense has, in his archives,
> > several radio shows which have tapes of both a medicated

regression

> > (using advanced medications to retrieve truth) as well as the
> > regression tapes made by Budd Hopkins.
> >
> > Read this here, an exclusive to our best friend, Jeff Rense.

> > patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal
> > and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and
> > kidneys. All non intrusive
> > pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which
> > showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
> >
> > A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating

contusions of

> > the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were

found,

> > which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were

odd in

> > that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their

presence.

> > Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
> >
> > The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent

> > with no apparent illness present.
> >
> > Commentary:
> >
> > We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in
> > practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I
> > haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper,

who is

> > known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer)

and

> > Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as

check with

> > three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there

had been

> > an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
> >
> > This case is a first in our experience, both from the

> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

> >regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

Stuff" or

> not.
> The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely

important in

> that regard,
>
>
>
> Hi Jack,
> I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few

other

> things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may

not

> like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction. You
> remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

You

> apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and

you

> may or may not have had missing time. Due to how the aliens are

using

> you, there is a good chance you were only taken briefly,

received an

> implant, and were quickly returned with all memories of the

abduction

> erased. The aliens would not use you the way they use most

abductees,

> as breeding stock to breed human/alien hybrids. They have a

different

> program for humans with brilliant minds like yourself and those

few

> hundred other children they chose. As the best and the

brightest, your

> group would be destined to work in various fields where the

aliens

> wanted you to be their eyes and ears. Some of this even

coincides with

> your ideas of causes and effects being in the wrong sequence.

Example:

> Aliens show up in 2004 and do a quick survey of what people are

in key

> positions doing research and development on advanced weapons and
> propulsion systems. They back track them all to when they were
> impressionable kids 20 years ago in 1984. They have their

computer

> call them on the phone and entice them to go outside with a

fanciful

> story that they will be needed in 20 years and all they have to

do is

> say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes and going outside makes it

a lot

> easier to abduct you if you are in an urban area with a lot of
> witnesses. If you had said "no," they would have had to zap you
> unconscious and came down and get you themselves. When you went
> outside you were probably whisked straight up to their craft by

their

> diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have been

abducted a

> few more times over the next three weeks in order that they

could scan

> and record your memories, so that they would have them on hand

for

> future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen memory.

There

> are several people I've heard of that went through something

similar.

> The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who worked in the US

Army

> Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime timeline was very

important

> to the aliens for two reasons. He was working with items of

technology

> recovered from the Roswell crash, and at one time the aliens had
> needed him to order the base radar at White Sands to be shut off
> because it was interfering with the navigation avionics on one of
> their small craft that had landed, and they could not leave. Col.
> Corso said that he thought because of his chance meeting with the
> aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had signaled

another of

> their craft to go back in time to when he was 6 years old and

abduct

> him off of his front porch. He would have then been implanted so

that

> they could summon him to their future landing spot and get him to
> radio back to the base command post and order the base radar to

be

> shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is where it gets
> hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind you eye

and

> ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and auditory

nerve,

> convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the signal to

the

> aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you see and

hear

> what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who had an
> implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear

your

> own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant

on his

> telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction

of a

> second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of

transmission

> from the implant. You could hear that different words sounded

slightly

> different when they were transmitted by the implant. So, you and

the

> other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent spies on the
> inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are keeping an

eye on

> us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our enemies. We are

their

> property. This whole relationship is very basic. That's why I

wrote my

> book, so we can change things for the better, to benefit them

and us.

> But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> do you think?
> Art
>
> Hi Jack,
> > I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> > picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a

few other

> > things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you

may not

> > like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> > fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal

Lagatta

> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if

Winki

> was there.
>
> > You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> > interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> > several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> > You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire

escape, and

> > you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance

you were

> > only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly

returned

> > with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would

not use

> > you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> > human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction

scenario is

> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET

to

> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
>
> > They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds

like

> > yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As

the best

> > and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in

various

> > fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter

Breen was

> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of

coincidences

> over 50 years.
>
> > Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and

effects

> > being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004

and do a

> > quick survey of what people are in key positions doing

research and

> > development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They

back

> > track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years

ago in

> > 1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and

entice them

> > to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed

in 20

> > years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside.

Saying yes

> > and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you

are in an

> > urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they

would

> > have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you

themselves.

> > When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to

their

> > craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You

may have

> > been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in

order that

> > they could scan and record your memories, so that they would

have them

> > on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a

screen

> > memory. There are several people I've heard of that went

through

> > something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso,

who

> > worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> > timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He

was

> > working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell

crash, and

> > at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar

at White

> > Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the

navigation

> > avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they

could

> > not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his

chance

> > meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they

had

> > signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he

was 6

> > years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have

then

> > been implanted so that they could summon him to their future

landing

> > spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and

order the

> > base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander.

Here is

> > where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your

head behind

> > you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve

and

> > auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and

transmit the

> > signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see

what you

> > see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an

abductee who

> > had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since

you hear

> > your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his

implant on

> > his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a

fraction

> > of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> > transmission from the implant. You could hear that different

words

> > sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the

implant.

> > So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be

inadvertent

> > spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens

are

> > keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or

our

> > enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is

very basic.

> > That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the

better, to

> > benefit them and us.
> > But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> > do you think?
> > Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan

> g_ba\
> ck.gif>
> I remember riding in a train crossing the Alps with a Canadian

PhD

> candidate in theoretical physics. The train stopped, we weren't
> paying attention, and by the time we realized we needed to get

off

> and got down the corridor with our bulky back packs, the train
> started moving. He suggested we jump, considering that if we did
> not, we would lose 1 day in our travel back to Paris.
>
> Well I jumped first and was badly injured with lacerations

requiring

> minor stitches. He hesitated, but then jumped. Unfortunately the
> train had picked up speed and he was more severly injured with a
> broken collar bone and a severed ear.
>
> The point is this brillant guy, a physicist no doubt, had

forgotten

> everything about basic momentum with his mind high in the sky.
>
> The nurses in Gap, France thought we were typical stupid

Americans:-)

>
> So what is the point of the story? Simple. Life has a kind of
> magneticism where we are attracted to like people, or sometimes

to

> opposites as the saying goes. Perhaps Jack it's all very normal

down

> to earth "human physics". After all you are the first to admit

that

> your approach is derived out of ordinary 1920's-1950's theory.

UFO's

> does have a romanticism and it makes for good marketing, at

least to

> a fringe population.
>
> I would not at all doubt that cold war intrigue was at play.
>
> Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [Starfleet Command] Digest Number 861
>
> <http://us.yimg.com/a/ya/yahoo_sports/cb-bb-p1-lrec-backup.gif>
> [Live College Audio]
> No there is IMHO no ordinary explanation for the uncanny string

of

> events
> on my world line for past 50 years. Saul-Paul is aware of a lot

> >>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
> >
> >James Harder tried and failed.
> >
> >> What makes you think you may be an abductee?
> >
> >Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> >Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> >Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

Stuff" or

> >not.
> >The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely

important

> >in
> >that regard,
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Jack,
> >I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> >picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a

few other

> >things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may

not

> >like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> >fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal

Lagatta

> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if

Winki

> was there.
>
> >You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> >interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> >several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> >You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire

escape, and

> >you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance

you were

> >only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly

returned

> >with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not

use

> >you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> >human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction

scenario is

> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET

to

> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
> Hi Jack,
> It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make

sure we

> don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered

craft

> will come back to haunt them.
> Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if

our

> military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going

warcraft,

> we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
> operations. By using you and the other strategically placed

bright

> kids, they could keep a close watch on our progress toward

becoming

> dangerous to them.
> I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet

that you

> are not presently employed where maintaining a security

clearance is a

> big issue. Do you think you still have functioning implants in

you? Do

> you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye

operated

> streetlights, or computers when you are near them? If so, that is
> usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the

other "chosen"

> bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints of

advanced

> technology equipment? If you can, you were given one of the

aliens

> master control implants that allows you to access their tech.
> database. Tesla was inadvertently given one of those during an
> abduction. If you read his autobiography, it is veeeery obvious.

> implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
> clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing"

more

> stuff than Tesla.
> More info below.
>
> >They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds

like

> >yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As

the best

> >and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in

various

> >fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter

Breen was

> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of

coincidences

> over 50 years.
>
> >Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and

effects

> >being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004

and do a

> >quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research

and

> >development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They

back

> >track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years

ago in

> >1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and

entice them

> >to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in

20

> >years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside.

Saying yes

> >and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you

are in an

> >urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they

would

> >have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you

themselves.

> >When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to

their

> >craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You

may have

> >been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in

order that

> >they could scan and record your memories, so that they would

have them

> >on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a

screen

> >memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> >something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> >worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> >timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He

was

> >working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell

crash, and

> >at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar

at White

> >Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the

navigation

> >avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they

could

> >not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> >meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they

had

> >signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he

was 6

> >years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have

then

> >been implanted so that they could summon him to their future

landing

> >spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and

order the

> >base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander.

Here is

> >where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head

behind

> >you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve

and

> >auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and

transmit the

> >signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what

you

> >see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an

abductee who

> >had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since

you hear

> >your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his

implant on

> >his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a

fraction

> >of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> >transmission from the implant. You could hear that different

words

> >sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the

implant.

> >So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be

inadvertent

> >spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> >keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> >enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very

basic.

> >That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the

better, to

> >benefit them and us.
> >But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> >do you think?
> >Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan

on me

> some time?
>
> There are other simpler ways to check for implants. Here is a

lot of

> info about implant's effects, and how to locate them, from a

post of

> mine from the group I own.
> From: antigray@c...
> Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:02 am
> Subject: Whitley Is A Slider
> Hi Group,
> Whitley Strieber was interviewed by Art Bell on his radio show a

few

> nights
> ago. Whitley said that when he gets emotionally upset, his

implant

> that is in
> his head behind his ear will get hot to the point of being

painful and

> will
> cause street lights to go out as he drives or walks by them. If

you are

> unfamiliar with this phenomena, it is quite common among

abductees

> with alien
> implants in their bodies. These people are called "sliders." They
> cause "street light
> interference (SLI)." Their implants are putting out radio

signals that

> are so
> strong that they will trigger the electric eyes on street lights

at night,

> fooling the device into thinking it is daylight out and shutting

off

> the light.
> These people also cause interference on electronic equipment.

> 0092\
> 29209169097203043229208098145211
> Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:53 pm
> Subject: Are You a SLIder?
>
> Hi Group,
> Are you a SLIder? SLI stands for Street Light Interference. It is
> caused by
> implants.
> Here is what I posted a while back about the phenomena at:
> http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html
> The syndrome most of the posters here talk about is shared by

three

> abductees
> I know personally and have written about in my book. What these

three have

> been experiencing is caused by radio frequency energy put out by

the

> implants
> that were put into them by the aliens when they were abducted. To
> prove that
> this energy is coming from specific points in your body there is

a cheap

> implant detector that can pinpoint exactly where they are in your
> body. Get a
> Sony Walkman or other small portable radio. Turn it on the AM

band between

> stations. Pass it over your arms, legs, and head mainly. When it

gets near

> the implants you will get a blast of static that will almost

blow out the

> speakers, even if the volume is turned down. I have personally

done

> this test
> on 2 of the abductees. I located one implant in one persons

foot, and

> another
> in the right sinus cavity in the skull of the other person. Some

abductees

> have as many as 6 implants in them. The aliens use the implants
> primarily to
> monitor your physical condition and as a locator transponder so

> 0092\
> 29209169097203043229208098145211
> Cocoa, FL USA - Friday, February 02, 2001 at 08:26:29 (PST)
>
> The following is from the other abductee I know:
> On reading the posts in here, i see that part of my story has

been

> noted by
> Art Greenfield, "antigray"....he has included me in his book

that is being

> printed at this time.......i too am electrical....man is it

intense....i

> notice the streetlights too, but that may be

coincidence...mainly I zap

> people at work....more so when i am stressed....I was handing a

salt

> shaker
> to one of my coworkers last month and i zapped her with a charge

that

> jumped
> about 2 inches!!!!!!.....I sit on a chair with rubber wheels and

arc

> with my
> computer keyboard frequently... shorted one out last year..I have
> shorted out
> 2 electric blankets at home as well...i had a rewritable CD on

the

> shelf above
> my computer (in a locked box) which was erased (my head is near

it when I

> play at the computer)...all this started about 10 years ago,

after i

> moved into my house....it appeared to be haunted, but soon was
> apparent that it was another life
> form...yes i had many encounters...but the electrical phenomena

began

> after I
> was hit in the face by a ball of electricity from my computer
> monitor....no I
> wasn't harmed, only my hand was numb where it exited my

body.....just

> before that event, i noted a small Light inside the floppy drive

back

> in the left
> rear corner....LOOK IN THERE GUYS, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.....
> appears that I have several "alien implants" in my face as well

as other

> points in my body....we have been doing some experiments,....very
> fascinating....as for Dr. Roger Leir, we are in contact but he

hasn't

> called
> me to come down for removal yet....and yes, someday I have a

>
> Do streetlights suddenly go out when you pass beneath
> them? Do watches or credit cards stop working in
> your possession? Perhaps you are a SLIder.
>
> A reader writes:
>
> Around five years ago, I have noticed that at times
> while I am driving down the road at night a street light will go
> out as I am passing below it. It happens frequently
> and seems to be happening more.
> I<br/><br/>(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

janet.sullins

To sell out fellow Americans or loan them for the purposes of??? Psychological study??? Food??? Or to be used as catlle and bear children that are taken from

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, Feb 1, 2004

To sell out fellow Americans or loan them for the purposes of???
Psychological study??? Food??? Or to be used as catlle and bear children
that are taken from them. Even for purposes of evolution without their
permission??? Where I believe that the ET's at least in my case did what
they did without trying to intrude too much on my life, none the less they
did. However I do not see this as their fault but rather those that gave
them permission. They had no right to give that permission. That is the
whole reason they don't want it out. Attorneys looking to make a name for
themselves will have a field day. What will truely be interesting is to see
what she who holds the scales of justice will have to say about this... They
no doubt will claim they were making the best out of a bad situation as what
could they do about it anyway...ha ha Or we agreed to it before hand... I
for one will want to see the paper I signed and for what reasons it was
signed... A circus...

Janet, it's hard to answer the question since I don't know exactly
how the treaty was worded other than the general concept of there
being an exchange of ET technology for permission for the ETs to
conduct 'limited biological experiments' with abducted humans.

Your question about how constitutional that is will be one that at
some point the politicians and lawyers will argue as it becomes
public knowledge. The extent to which the civil rights of abductees
were violated as a result of the agreements/treaty would be a
critical issue. This would raise constitutional issues, and also
litigation in the civil court system. Nevertheless, a treaty was
signed, executive orders given, and the treaty implemented. All this
was done without ratification by Congress.

That's still makes it all something that occurs under the
constitutional framework even though if the Supreme Court ever dealt
with the issues of the ET-Eisenhower administration treaty, they
would rule it unconstitutional.

For example, part of the 1949 CIA is unconstitutional since it
creates a black budget which the American citizen cannot discover
the true size of. This was actually adressed in a famous US Court of
Appeals decision involving William Richardson (1971) which all but
said that the CIA Act was unconstitutional. Similarly, the 1970's
Church Committee also questioned the constitutionality of the black
budget part CIA Act. Yet, the CIA Act is still going strong, and the
black budget is still being generated as though it were
constitutional despite the likelihood that it would be found to be
unconstitional. In exactly the same way, the ET treaty has been
implemented as though it is constitional, even though it would be
likely be found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Anyway, the lawyers will have a field day when all this comes out
into the open. That will be fun to see. ha ha.

> falling under this but that isn't what is suppose to have happened.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antigray [mailto:antigray@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:49 AM
> To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [prepare4contact] (unknown)
>
>
> <<< Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0000
> From: "Dr Michael Salla" <exopolitics@y...>
> Subject: Re:Manifest Show Up on Feb 20-22 / Treaties With Aliens
>
> Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
> without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
> order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to

it.

> This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
> treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial

races.

>
> It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the

agreement

> is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
> constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
> ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal

counsel

> might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation,

it

> is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
> operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later

for

> ratification. An executive order might be passed that all

treaties

> with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
> ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.
>
> Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have

the

> present problems we do with abductions, etc.
>
> In peace
>
> Michael S.>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Michael,
> In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
> continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of

any

> description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep

doing

> abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it.

Recently

> I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something

unilaterally

> that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up.

Here is

> the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working

on the

> equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired

alien

> propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and

electronically

> disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
> technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite

successful

> and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for

some

> time now.
> Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced

into a

> virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the

problem

> never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done

under

> duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very

important. The

> quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop

quarreling

> with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso

knew

> it would require all of our combined industrial resources to

change

> things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
> important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so

superior

> to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be

harvested as

> they pleased.
> The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-

line

> defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
> weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there

and saw

> it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
> responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we

couldn't

> identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear.

Only

> this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
> determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
> aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats.

Many

> times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat

and

> mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what

they

> were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up

on our

> targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors.

Whenever

> we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take

off out

> of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried

to

> follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
> Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
> 1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
> tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars

on, the

> signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
> somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
> flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able

to

> boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring

them

> down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with

a

> missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an

Army

> defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
> Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a

> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

> the Einiac computer - what a great shiny book I got from the big
> library on Eastern Parkway. The telephone rings. I pick it up. I

hear

> curious clanking mechanical sounds like relays clicking. A

distant

> cold metallic voice speaking numbers gets louder.
> "Who are you?" I ask.
> "I am a conscious computer on board a spacecraft from [memory
> failure]. We have identified you as one of four hundred young

bright

> receptive minds we wish to [memory failure]. You must give us

your

> decision now. If you say yes, you will begin to link up with the
> others in twenty years." My adrenaline was rushing. I was scared

but

> thrilled (i.e., a quantum superposition of feelings). This was

no joke

> from my friends. I thought "NO!" in a silent scream that seemed

to

> echo down the corridors of time. I felt a tingle of excitement

start

> at the base of my spine ending at the base of my skull. I heard

myself

> say "Yes!". Then, I heard the metallic voice say:
> "Good, go to your firescape. We will send a ship to pick you up

in ten

> minutes." I slammed down the phone. I imagined that a murderer

would

> come down the roof to the firescape to get me. But I knew it was
> weirder than that. The monsters finally announced themselves. I

ran

> into the street faster than you can say "Who killed Jack

Robinson." I

> met my friend Winky 1 and a few other kids and told them what
> happened. We went back up to my apartment and waited. Nothing

ever

> happened.
>
> > If you are not sure, only have uneasy feelings about it, etc.,

let me

> > know and I'll post some indications of abduction here that will
> > clarify things for you. The following is an article by Dr.

Mortellaro

> > about an abduction experience of his where the physical damage

done to

> > him was documented by ER doctors.
> >
> > This was written by my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro. It is really
> > heart-wrenching,
> > Art
> >
> > To Those Who Don't Believe Alien Abductions Are Occurring
> > By Jim Mortellaro
> > Jsmortell@a...
> >
> > It has come to the attention of this writer, that some folks

> > deride those who claim the experience.
> >
> > Of course, there is no way by which I or anyone else may prove

that

> > we've had such experiences. Whilst I've been regressed by the

best of

> > the abduction researchers, namely Budd Hopkins, and since other
> > rather famous and well respected researchers have examined my

case

> > and determined that it certainly appears to be true, there are

still

> > those who deny us our truth. It is you to whom I address in

this

> > piece.
> >
> > To begin, what do you call 'reality?' When it comes to the

abduction

> > experience, I cannot define reality. In part, this is because

in the

> > experience, one seems to be in an altered state of

consciousness. It

> > is not a dream, but there are some similarities which make the
> > experience dreamlike. Reality is what we perceive in this

dimension.

> > In the altered state of the abduction experience, there is

another

> > reality. The altered state of the abduction experience may not

have

> > reality in this dimension. Perhaps the other way around as

well.

> >
> > When I have a dream, I can rarely recall the dream. I know

that I've

> > had a dream, but within moments of my waking, the details

elude. Some

> > dreams can be recalled in a bit more detail. Those would be

recurring

> > dreams. You've all had them. It's the day before the history

exam and

> > you've not opened the history book. Which book is the size of

three

> > Manhattan telephone directors on atop the other. Or the dream

in

> > which one cannot find where he parked his car, or how to get

home.

> > Even in these recurring dreams and in my case, I am unable to

recall

> > the detail. Merely the feeling and an occasional flash memory.
> >
> > Ah, but the abduction 'dream,' that's entirely different. I can
> > recall nearly everything from the experience. Not merely the

feeling

> > but the events. Such events also live in my memory even before

I've

> > had the 'dream.' Besides which, the 'dream' is not really a

dream. It

> > is rather a recall of the events preceding the recall (which

appears

> > to be a vivid dream). Does that make sense to you? Good. Now to
> > continue.
> >
> > At age two years I began having nightmares. I would awaken

screaming.

> > My parents, for a long time, believed I was having a nightmare.
> > However I would always tell them, "It was not a nightmare,

Mommy. It

> > really happened!" Yet, whenever I was ill, with a childhood

disease

> > or fever from the flu or cold, I would have genuine

nightmares. I'd

> > wake up screaming. But I would _know_ that it was a bad dream

and

> > then agree with my parents' statement. "Yes, it was a bad

dream,

> > Mommy! A very bad dream."
> >
> > At age four, I refused to believe in Santa. It was, even to my

> > and one leading. The one leading was and is always the same
> > character. Taller than the others, this being was there with

me from

> > the beginning. He is still with me now. I now call him 'Fred.'
> >
> > Why "Fred?' Because I was reminded of an act on the old Ed

Sullivan

> > show, in which an older gentleman appeared with this floppy

eared

> > hound who was named, "Fred." He'd set Fred up on a stool, walk

away

> > about ten or so feet and holler, "Come on, Fred! Come on

Fred." And

> > Fred was supposed to jump off the stool and come to his master.
> >
> > Fred never did anything. No matter what his master said or

did, Fred

> > would just sit there and look happier than a clam. There is no
> > connection except one. Fred was the funniest name I could

think of.

> > This became the moniker I applied to this taller than the

others

> > entity. I wanted to make this being funny. No, not funny. I

wanted to

> > make fun of this entity. And this was my way of doing so. So

the

> > taller shortstuff is not "Fred." Only every time I am

abducted, and

> > refer to 'it' as "Fred," he doesn't even crack a smile. But

even in

> > my altered state, I feel this ... sort of ... superiority over

Fred.

> > Makes me feel a bit better. Not to make fun of those who call

on the

> > name of their god to chase the demons away, but when I call to

my

> > Lord, He doesn't do anything. Perhaps this is all in my chart.
> >
> > Or maybe it's all a piece of undigested beef. An underdone

potato.

> >
> > I recall one abductee who told me that she was made fun of (in

a

> > manor of speaking) by the alien entity when she objected to

their

> > taking her eggs and showing her children which were supposed

to be

> > hers. She told me that the alien asked (the head alien much

the same

> > as Fred), "Why do you keep pets?" As if to say, pets are taken

by us

> > and kept. We give our pets love. In return, they give us love.

And

> > peace. When I'm with my best little buddy Pepe, a French

Bulldog, I

> > am at greater peace than in Church. (Sorry Lord, but the shoe

fits

> > well, so I wear it)
> >
> > Another perceived abductee, a male, objected to the aliens

taking his

> > sperm. He was told, in substance, "Why do you object? Do you

not

> > waste and spill your seed?" Gee, talk about freedom of spirit

and

> > independent decision making. Obviously these dudes never owned

a

> > loving, giving doggie or felt the need to 'waste their own

seed,'

> > assuming they have any. Had it been me, I'd have told them that
> > humans are free to make their own decisions when it comes to

their

> > bodies. No one takes without giving. And these entities give

nothing.

> > In fact, as I will show, they take much.
> >
> > Which brings us to how a lifetime of these experiences make a
> > lifetime of negativity and unhappiness. Not to mention ill-

health.

> > Many perceived abductees, both male and female, are in poor

health.

> > It's no wonder. Most of us suffer from some form of Post

Traumatic

> > Stress Disorder. This is a real illness. Some years back, the

medical

> > community decided that it was not real. We now know that PTSD

is real

> > and affects millions of people who've experienced extreme

stress.

> > War, terrorism and natural disaster will make you ill. Reduce

your

> > immune system. Reduce one's ability to fight illness. The

brain is a

> > powerful instrument. It can and does control the body in ways

we do

> > not fully understand.
> >
> > People who suffer PTSD have auto immune system disorders. MS,
> > arthritis, headache, dependency on substances such as drugs or
> > alcohol. Many more. Women more than men suffer IBS (Irritable

Bowel

> > Syndrome). This has been my bane for years, until a good man

told me

> > what to do about it. Jeff Rense does not subscribe to anything

coming

> > from dairy, but colostrum has changed my life. I no longer

suffer

> > pain, spasms and the embarrassment of meteroism. Not to mention
> > constipation and it's converse.
> >
> > Believe me when I tell you that depression is rampant among us.
> >
> > Immediately following a most painful and bloody abduction, the

first

> > of it's kind for me (and many others as well), I was on the

brink of

> > a nervous breakdown, according to my physician of three

decades. I

> > went to see my friend, Budd Hopkins and literally begged him

to help

> > me. I need not have begged. He was there, with compassion and

love,

> > with a caring I've not observed outside of my own family.

After being

> > regressed that first time, and within the hour, I was a

changed man.

> > I saw my doctor within 48 hours of that regression and he said

to me

> > (verbatim, this I shall remember the rest of my life), "Jim,

what the

> > hell happened to you? I was ready to begin aggressive

treatment for

> > depression if not for a breakdown?"
> >
> > I told him that I'd been regressed by Budd Hopkins and that I

never

> > felt this good. Not in my recent memory. It was like night and

day.

> > No depression. Shock at having really (in my memory)

experienced such

> > horror, but I was actually happy to have uncovered the memory.

My

> > doctor was quite taken aback by my immediate progress,

something he

> > would again witness later on but under even more bizarre
> > circumstances. This is the man who went on to spearhead a

medical

> > study of perceived abductees against a control group of people

who

> > had never experienced any such thing.
> >
> > The one problem this medical study experienced however was

that the

> > control group had to be expanded by a very large number. You

see,

> > those who laughed at even suspecting abduction by aliens, were

found

> > to have been abductees. C'est la guierre.
> >
> > Now for the final revelation. For the first time in public, I

present

> > a small excerpt from my physician's report on my condition on
> > admission to the Emergency Room of a hospital in Upstate NY.

The

> > document is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and has been

transmitted to

> > Jeff Rense. With the permission of my doctor and the medical

group,

> > this is what I looked like in March of 2001, after a

particularly

> > grueling abduction experience. Jeff Rense has, in his archives,
> > several radio shows which have tapes of both a medicated

regression

> > (using advanced medications to retrieve truth) as well as the
> > regression tapes made by Budd Hopkins.
> >
> > Read this here, an exclusive to our best friend, Jeff Rense.

> > patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal
> > and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and
> > kidneys. All non intrusive
> > pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which
> > showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
> >
> > A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating

contusions of

> > the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were

found,

> > which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were

odd in

> > that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their

presence.

> > Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
> >
> > The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent

> > with no apparent illness present.
> >
> > Commentary:
> >
> > We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in
> > practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I
> > haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper,

who is

> > known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer)

and

> > Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as

check with

> > three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there

had been

> > an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
> >
> > This case is a first in our experience, both from the

> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

> >regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

Stuff" or

> not.
> The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely

important in

> that regard,
>
>
>
> Hi Jack,
> I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few

other

> things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may

not

> like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction. You
> remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.

You

> apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and

you

> may or may not have had missing time. Due to how the aliens are

using

> you, there is a good chance you were only taken briefly,

received an

> implant, and were quickly returned with all memories of the

abduction

> erased. The aliens would not use you the way they use most

abductees,

> as breeding stock to breed human/alien hybrids. They have a

different

> program for humans with brilliant minds like yourself and those

few

> hundred other children they chose. As the best and the

brightest, your

> group would be destined to work in various fields where the

aliens

> wanted you to be their eyes and ears. Some of this even

coincides with

> your ideas of causes and effects being in the wrong sequence.

Example:

> Aliens show up in 2004 and do a quick survey of what people are

in key

> positions doing research and development on advanced weapons and
> propulsion systems. They back track them all to when they were
> impressionable kids 20 years ago in 1984. They have their

computer

> call them on the phone and entice them to go outside with a

fanciful

> story that they will be needed in 20 years and all they have to

do is

> say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes and going outside makes it

a lot

> easier to abduct you if you are in an urban area with a lot of
> witnesses. If you had said "no," they would have had to zap you
> unconscious and came down and get you themselves. When you went
> outside you were probably whisked straight up to their craft by

their

> diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have been

abducted a

> few more times over the next three weeks in order that they

could scan

> and record your memories, so that they would have them on hand

for

> future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen memory.

There

> are several people I've heard of that went through something

similar.

> The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who worked in the US

Army

> Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime timeline was very

important

> to the aliens for two reasons. He was working with items of

technology

> recovered from the Roswell crash, and at one time the aliens had
> needed him to order the base radar at White Sands to be shut off
> because it was interfering with the navigation avionics on one of
> their small craft that had landed, and they could not leave. Col.
> Corso said that he thought because of his chance meeting with the
> aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had signaled

another of

> their craft to go back in time to when he was 6 years old and

abduct

> him off of his front porch. He would have then been implanted so

that

> they could summon him to their future landing spot and get him to
> radio back to the base command post and order the base radar to

be

> shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is where it gets
> hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind you eye

and

> ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and auditory

nerve,

> convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the signal to

the

> aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you see and

hear

> what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who had an
> implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear

your

> own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant

on his

> telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction

of a

> second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of

transmission

> from the implant. You could hear that different words sounded

slightly

> different when they were transmitted by the implant. So, you and

the

> other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent spies on the
> inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are keeping an

eye on

> us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our enemies. We are

their

> property. This whole relationship is very basic. That's why I

wrote my

> book, so we can change things for the better, to benefit them

and us.

> But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> do you think?
> Art
>
> Hi Jack,
> > I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> > picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a

few other

> > things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you

may not

> > like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> > fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal

Lagatta

> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if

Winki

> was there.
>
> > You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> > interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> > several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> > You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire

escape, and

> > you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance

you were

> > only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly

returned

> > with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would

not use

> > you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> > human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction

scenario is

> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET

to

> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
>
> > They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds

like

> > yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As

the best

> > and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in

various

> > fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter

Breen was

> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of

coincidences

> over 50 years.
>
> > Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and

effects

> > being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004

and do a

> > quick survey of what people are in key positions doing

research and

> > development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They

back

> > track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years

ago in

> > 1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and

entice them

> > to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed

in 20

> > years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside.

Saying yes

> > and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you

are in an

> > urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they

would

> > have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you

themselves.

> > When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to

their

> > craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You

may have

> > been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in

order that

> > they could scan and record your memories, so that they would

have them

> > on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a

screen

> > memory. There are several people I've heard of that went

through

> > something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso,

who

> > worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> > timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He

was

> > working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell

crash, and

> > at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar

at White

> > Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the

navigation

> > avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they

could

> > not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his

chance

> > meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they

had

> > signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he

was 6

> > years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have

then

> > been implanted so that they could summon him to their future

landing

> > spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and

order the

> > base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander.

Here is

> > where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your

head behind

> > you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve

and

> > auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and

transmit the

> > signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see

what you

> > see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an

abductee who

> > had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since

you hear

> > your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his

implant on

> > his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a

fraction

> > of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> > transmission from the implant. You could hear that different

words

> > sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the

implant.

> > So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be

inadvertent

> > spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens

are

> > keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or

our

> > enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is

very basic.

> > That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the

better, to

> > benefit them and us.
> > But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> > do you think?
> > Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan

> g_ba\
> ck.gif>
> I remember riding in a train crossing the Alps with a Canadian

PhD

> candidate in theoretical physics. The train stopped, we weren't
> paying attention, and by the time we realized we needed to get

off

> and got down the corridor with our bulky back packs, the train
> started moving. He suggested we jump, considering that if we did
> not, we would lose 1 day in our travel back to Paris.
>
> Well I jumped first and was badly injured with lacerations

requiring

> minor stitches. He hesitated, but then jumped. Unfortunately the
> train had picked up speed and he was more severly injured with a
> broken collar bone and a severed ear.
>
> The point is this brillant guy, a physicist no doubt, had

forgotten

> everything about basic momentum with his mind high in the sky.
>
> The nurses in Gap, France thought we were typical stupid

Americans:-)

>
> So what is the point of the story? Simple. Life has a kind of
> magneticism where we are attracted to like people, or sometimes

to

> opposites as the saying goes. Perhaps Jack it's all very normal

down

> to earth "human physics". After all you are the first to admit

that

> your approach is derived out of ordinary 1920's-1950's theory.

UFO's

> does have a romanticism and it makes for good marketing, at

least to

> a fringe population.
>
> I would not at all doubt that cold war intrigue was at play.
>
> Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [Starfleet Command] Digest Number 861
>
> <http://us.yimg.com/a/ya/yahoo_sports/cb-bb-p1-lrec-backup.gif>
> [Live College Audio]
> No there is IMHO no ordinary explanation for the uncanny string

of

> events
> on my world line for past 50 years. Saul-Paul is aware of a lot

> >>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
> >
> >James Harder tried and failed.
> >
> >> What makes you think you may be an abductee?
> >
> >Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> >Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> >Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right

Stuff" or

> >not.
> >The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely

important

> >in
> >that regard,
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Jack,
> >I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> >picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a

few other

> >things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may

not

> >like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out

on your

> >fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal

Lagatta

> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if

Winki

> was there.
>
> >You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> >interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> >several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> >You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire

escape, and

> >you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance

you were

> >only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly

returned

> >with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not

use

> >you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> >human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction

scenario is

> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET

to

> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
> Hi Jack,
> It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make

sure we

> don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered

craft

> will come back to haunt them.
> Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if

our

> military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going

warcraft,

> we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
> operations. By using you and the other strategically placed

bright

> kids, they could keep a close watch on our progress toward

becoming

> dangerous to them.
> I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet

that you

> are not presently employed where maintaining a security

clearance is a

> big issue. Do you think you still have functioning implants in

you? Do

> you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye

operated

> streetlights, or computers when you are near them? If so, that is
> usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the

other "chosen"

> bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints of

advanced

> technology equipment? If you can, you were given one of the

aliens

> master control implants that allows you to access their tech.
> database. Tesla was inadvertently given one of those during an
> abduction. If you read his autobiography, it is veeeery obvious.

> implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
> clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing"

more

> stuff than Tesla.
> More info below.
>
> >They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds

like

> >yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As

the best

> >and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in

various

> >fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter

Breen was

> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of

coincidences

> over 50 years.
>
> >Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and

effects

> >being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004

and do a

> >quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research

and

> >development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They

back

> >track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years

ago in

> >1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and

entice them

> >to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in

20

> >years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside.

Saying yes

> >and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you

are in an

> >urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they

would

> >have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you

themselves.

> >When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to

their

> >craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You

may have

> >been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in

order that

> >they could scan and record your memories, so that they would

have them

> >on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a

screen

> >memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> >something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> >worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> >timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He

was

> >working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell

crash, and

> >at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar

at White

> >Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the

navigation

> >avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they

could

> >not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> >meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they

had

> >signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he

was 6

> >years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have

then

> >been implanted so that they could summon him to their future

landing

> >spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and

order the

> >base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander.

Here is

> >where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head

behind

> >you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve

and

> >auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and

transmit the

> >signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what

you

> >see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an

abductee who

> >had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since

you hear

> >your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his

implant on

> >his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a

fraction

> >of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> >transmission from the implant. You could hear that different

words

> >sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the

implant.

> >So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be

inadvertent

> >spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> >keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> >enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very

basic.

> >That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the

better, to

> >benefit them and us.
> >But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me

know what

> >do you think?
> >Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan

on me

> some time?
>
> There are other simpler ways to check for implants. Here is a

lot of

> info about implant's effects, and how to locate them, from a

post of

> mine from the group I own.
> From: antigray@c...
> Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:02 am
> Subject: Whitley Is A Slider
> Hi Group,
> Whitley Strieber was interviewed by Art Bell on his radio show a

few

> nights
> ago. Whitley said that when he gets emotionally upset, his

implant

> that is in
> his head behind his ear will get hot to the point of being

painful and

> will
> cause street lights to go out as he drives or walks by them. If

you are

> unfamiliar with this phenomena, it is quite common among

abductees

> with alien
> implants in their bodies. These people are called "sliders." They
> cause "street light
> interference (SLI)." Their implants are putting out radio

signals that

> are so
> strong that they will trigger the electric eyes on street lights

at night,

> fooling the device into thinking it is daylight out and shutting

off

> the light.
> These people also cause interference on electronic equipment.

> 0092\
> 29209169097203043229208098145211
> Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:53 pm
> Subject: Are You a SLIder?
>
> Hi Group,
> Are you a SLIder? SLI stands for Street Light Interference. It is
> caused by
> implants.
> Here is what I posted a while back about the phenomena at:
> http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html
> The syndrome most of the posters here talk about is shared by

three

> abductees
> I know personally and have written about in my book. What these

three have

> been experiencing is caused by radio frequency energy put out by

the

> implants
> that were put into them by the aliens when they were abducted. To
> prove that
> this energy is coming from specific points in your body there is

a cheap

> implant detector that can pinpoint exactly where they are in your
> body. Get a
> Sony Walkman or other small portable radio. Turn it on the AM

band between

> stations. Pass it over your arms, legs, and head mainly. When it

gets near

> the implants you will get a blast of static that will almost

blow out the

> speakers, even if the volume is turned down. I have personally

done

> this test
> on 2 of the abductees. I located one implant in one persons

foot, and

> another
> in the right sinus cavity in the skull of the other person. Some

abductees

> have as many as 6 implants in them. The aliens use the implants
> primarily to
> monitor your physical condition and as a locator transponder so

> questions
> ask me or her. You may be in for a shock. (No joke intended.) I
> respect this
> forum staff's intent to study this from a scientific standpoint

and kick

> alien "theories" to the other site they listed, but the people I

have

> met and
> examined and interviewed are all long term multiple abductees.

If it

> quacks
> like a duck, it probably is a duck. An abductee I am in touch

with in

> Arizona
> has prov<br/><br/>(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

Stephen Calkins

Hi Dr. Salla and Art, I wanted to make one point. ANY story is not OUT THERE, it in IN HERE - INSIDE OF YOU. You are the truth, there is no truth but you.

Message 6 of 7
, Feb 3, 2004

Hi Dr. Salla and Art,
I wanted to make one point. ANY story is not OUT THERE, it in IN
HERE - INSIDE OF YOU. You are the truth, there is no truth but you.
Love, Steve

On Sunday, February 1, 2004, at 03:49 AM, antigray wrote:

> <<<�� Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0000
> �� From: "Dr Michael Salla" <exopolitics@...>
> Subject: Re:Manifest Show Up on Feb 20-22 / Treaties With Aliens
>
> Art, the President of the US has full authority to sign a treaty
> without congressional input. The US Congress has to ratify it in
> order for it become law in the US and to fully commit the US to it.
> This creates a blurred legal middle ground. Signed but unratified
> treaties between the US administration and extraterrestrial races.
>
> It is not unconstitutional to sign a treaty, but how the agreement
> is executed is important as to what happens subsequently is
> constitutional or not. Perhaps the intent is to present it for
> ratification at some later time in which case a clever legal counsel
> might say that due to the extraordinary nature of the situation, it
> is constitutional for the executive branch to sign and
> operationalise a treaty with the intention to present it later for
> ratification. An executive order might be passed that all treaties
> with extraterrestrial races can be presented at a later time for
> ratification, but until then can be signed and fully executed.
>
> Something along these lines happened in 1954 and is why we have the
> present problems we do with abductions, etc.
>
> In peace
>
> Michael S.>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Michael,
> In doing research for my book I found that the alien program has
> continued unabated throughout recorded history and a "treaty" of any
> description would not be needed to "permit" the aliens to keep doing
> abductions. In 1954 the US military had no means to stop it. Recently
> I uncovered the fact that the aliens had done something unilaterally
> that is almost unimaginable back in 1953. THAT messed us up. Here is
> the story. For nearly 50 years, the government has been working on the
> equivalent of a "Manhattan Project" to back-engineer acquired alien
> propulsion and weapons systems from various crashed and electronically
> disabled alien craft, and develop our own versions of their
> technology. What you don't know is that we have been quite successful
> and various advanced systems have been built and deployed for some
> time now.
> Col. Corso spoke the truth when he said that we had been forced into a
> virtual state of surrender. The specific aliens causing the problem
> never needed a treaty to make us allow abductions. They are done under
> duress. There is another quote of Corso's that is very important. The
> quote points out there is a need for all countries to stop quarreling
> with each other and join together for mutual defense. Col. Corso knew
> it would require all of our combined industrial resources to change
> things. He said, "Whatever we were fighting over became minimally
> important in the face of a threat from creatures who were so superior
> to us in technology that we were their farm animals to be harvested as
> they pleased.
> The alien spacecraft were also aggressively buzzing our front-line
> defenses in Eastern Europe, either looking for blind spots or
> weaknesses, or---which is what I believed because I was there and saw
> it with my own eyes---probing our radar to see how quickly we
> responded. We'd see blips shoot across our screens that we couldn't
> identify and suddenly they'd disappear. Then they'd reappear. Only
> this time even closer to airfields or missile launchers. Once we
> determined that we weren't being probed by Soviet or East German
> aircraft, we sometimes decided not to respond to the threats. Many
> times they'd just go away. But other times they would play cat and
> mouse, edging ever closer until we had to respond. That's what they
> were looking for, how quickly we could respond and pick them up on our
> targeting radar or catch up to them with our interceptors. Whenever
> we'd get just about there for an aerial sighting, they'd take off out
> of the atmosphere at speeds over 7500 miles an hour. If we tried to
> follow, they'd play us along until our fliers had to return.
> ���� Our only success in defending against them, back in the late
> 1950's and early 1960's, occurred when we were able to get a firm
> tracking radar lock. Then when we locked our targeting radars on, the
> signals that missiles were supposed to follow to the target, it
> somehow interfered with their navigational ability and vehicle's
> flight became erratic. If we were especially fortunate and able to
> boost the signal before hey broke away, we could actually bring them
> down. Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a
> missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an Army
> defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near Ramstein,
> Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft managed to crash land in a valley.
> The craft was retrieved and flown to Nellis Air Force base in Nevada.
> The Roswell crash was different. There was much speculation that it
> was a combination of the desert lightning storm and our persistent
> tracking radars at Alamogordo and the 509th that helped bring down the
> alien vehicle over the New Mexico desert in 1947."
> Col. Philip J. Corso
> ���� The antagonistic probing and reconnaissance of our defenses in
> the 60's and 70's was a sign that the aliens were not honoring any
> "treaty." They were trying to goad us into attacking them so that they
> could evaluate our military force's strength and response
> capabilities. Additionally, they would fly flights of 15 to 20 UFOs in
> "V" shaped battle formations out of Russian airspace into Western
> Europe to cause us to initiate a nuclear response against the
> Russians, making us think we were under attack from Russian nuclear
> bombers. Other times, they would fly the same formations into Russia
> from Western Europe to make the Russians think they were being
> attacked by us. Every time the aliens did that, US and Soviet forces
> would go on full war alert and launch all ready nuclear bombers to
> assure a response in case their bases were targeted. Triggering World
> War 3 like that would have eliminated the super powers, and generated
> a lot of fresh meat for the Reptoids. We didn't fall for it. So the
> Reptoids executed plan B. By various means, they knew that around
> 1973, the new "Manhattan Project" was going to make a great
> technological leap. The Reptoids did something then that sounds like
> pure science fiction but isn't. They identified 400 of the most
> brilliant and key personnel on the project. Then the aliens went back
> in time 20 years to a point were all of those "Tesla Kids" were around
> 13 years of age and abducted all of them. They then diverted ALL of
> them into other fields of study and work, distracted them with drugs
> or weird lifestyles, or had them travel the world to keep them away
> from the project. When some of them finally drifted back into Star
> Wars projects and bio-warfare research in the 80's and 90's, the
> aliens killed them. I am not getting this information from someone's
> website. I personally put it together from the actual people involved
> in the Tesla Kid abductions. Before I get into the details, I want to
> point out that advanced friendly beings would not go to this much
> trouble to maintain military superiority if they could just negotiate,
> act friendly, etc., or had our best interests at heart. Their goal is
> to continue using us as a periodic food resource. That is why they
> don't wipe us out. We are not their enemy. They do not want our real
> estate. If they did they could take over any time they wanted. I want
> everyone to realize that "preparing" to be better more spiritual
> humans won't make the Reptoids change their ways and do good things
> for us after they make friendly formal contact. They haven't done it
> in the last 100,000 years and no matter how nice we are, it won't
> diminish their need for meat every 50 years or so to restock their
> passing fleet of migration mother ships. They are carnivores
> hard-wired over millions of years to need meat. Being contented cows
> on our part won't change their needs. We have to get them to agree to
> change their program of harvesting us, and trade with us for meat from
> cattle we raise and supply to them as needed. It will stop them from
> instigating major wars here amongst us just to harvest meat. Right now
> they are pushing the Muslim's buttons to start a worldwide religious
> war. If we want to avoid war, we have to eliminate THE CAUSE.� The new
> Manhattan Project has been heavily compartmentalized and widely
> subcontracted to prevent the aliens from derailing it again.����
> Are you familiar with the concept of "tactical surprise?" We have been
> working on bettering the technology we acquired so we have an edge, if
> it comes to that. I think with any luck that might bring the Reptoids
> to the negotiating table because they'd think we had been assisted by
> a more advanced race.
> There is one more piece of background information to tell before you
> read the following account of the Tesla Kid abductions, diversions,
> and murders. The aliens also went back in time and abducted Col. Corso
> when he was 6 years old right off his front porch in broad daylight,
> so that they could control him too. They knew he would be handling the
> advanced tecnology equipment recovered from the Roswell crash, and
> managed to stall him from releasing most of it to American industries
> to be developed, until his career was almost over. You will see in the
> following account that Dr. Jack Sarfatti was one of the Tesla Kids to
> be abducted, but now he is back on the job, working to harness Dark
> Energy. Only 200 of the 400 original Tesla Kids are alive/or working
> on parts of the new "Manhattan Project."
> From:�� "antigray" <antigray@...>
> Date:� Thu Jan 15, 2004� 10:04 pm
> Subject:� Dr. Jack Sarfatti's Abduction Story
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/message/5058
> Hi Group,
> I just had an interesting few days. I put it all together that the
> brilliant physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti is an abductee for certain,
> along with 200 of his brilliant associates that he is in contact with
> in key scientific fields, who all experienced the same strange sets of
> circumstances at the same time when they were all children. It proves
> the aliens are 5 jumps ahead of us. I hate it when that happens. LOL
> Read the following posts and tell me what you think. Do you know any
> scientists that had a similar experience?
> Thanks.
> Art
> These are the posts:
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800
> > From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> > Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
> >
> > >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> > >abductions,
> > >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
> >
> > I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not
> sure about that. >>>>>
> >
> > Hi Jack,
> > If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> > friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
> not.
> The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
> that regard,
>
> Excerpts from Jack Sarfatti's book
> THE DESTINY MATRIX
> All rights reserved.
> Copyright 1995
>
> It's 1952 in Flatbush. Gee! - mechanical relay switching circuits for
> the Einiac computer - what a great shiny book I got from the big
> library on Eastern Parkway. The telephone rings. I pick it up. I hear
> curious clanking mechanical sounds like relays clicking. A distant
> cold metallic voice speaking numbers gets louder.
> "Who are you?" I ask.
> "I am a conscious computer on board a spacecraft from [memory
> failure]. We have identified you as one of four hundred young bright
> receptive minds we wish to [memory failure]. You must give us your
> decision now. If you say yes, you will begin to link up with the
> others in twenty years." My adrenaline was rushing. I was scared but
> thrilled (i.e., a quantum superposition of feelings). This was no joke
> from my friends. I thought "NO!" in a silent scream that seemed to
> echo down the corridors of time. I felt a tingle of excitement start
> at the base of my spine ending at the base of my skull. I heard myself
> say "Yes!". Then, I heard the metallic voice say:
> "Good, go to your firescape. We will send a ship to pick you up in ten
> minutes." I slammed down the phone. I imagined that a murderer would
> come down the roof to the firescape to get me. But I knew it was
> weirder than that. The monsters finally announced themselves. I ran
> into the street faster than you can say "Who killed Jack Robinson." I
> met my friend Winky 1 and a few other kids and told them what
> happened. We went back up to my apartment and waited. Nothing ever
> happened.
>
> > If you are not sure, only have uneasy feelings about it, etc., let me
> > know and I'll post some indications of abduction here that will
> > clarify things for you. The following is an article by Dr. Mortellaro
> > about an abduction experience of his where the physical damage done
> to
> > him was documented by ER doctors.
> >
> > This was written by my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro. It is really
> > heart-wrenching,
> > Art
> >
> > To Those Who Don't Believe Alien Abductions Are Occurring
> > By Jim Mortellaro
> > Jsmortell@a...
> >
> > It has come to the attention of this writer, that some folks don't
> > believe in the Abduction Experience. I speak, of course, of Alien
> > abductions. To wit, aliens abducting humans for purposes of
> > (ostensibly) some sort of genetic experimentation; genetic, since the
> > alien species seem to dwell on our reproductive organs. In the nearly
> > 58 years I perceive I've been abducted, from the age of about two
> > years, they've never looked at my heart, lungs or for that matter, my
> > rear end. The latter being something laughable among those who would
> > deride those who claim the experience.
> >
> > Of course, there is no way by which I or anyone else may prove that
> > we've had such experiences. Whilst I've been regressed by the best of
> > the abduction researchers, namely Budd Hopkins, and since other
> > rather famous and well respected researchers have examined my case
> > and determined that it certainly appears to be true, there are still
> > those who deny us our truth. It is you to whom I address in this
> > piece.
> >
> > To begin, what do you call 'reality?' When it comes to the abduction
> > experience, I cannot define reality. In part, this is because in the
> > experience, one seems to be in an altered state of consciousness. It
> > is not a dream, but there are some similarities which make the
> > experience dreamlike. Reality is what we perceive in this dimension.
> > In the altered state of the abduction experience, there is another
> > reality. The altered state of the abduction experience may not have
> > reality in this dimension. Perhaps the other way around as well.
> >
> > When I have a dream, I can rarely recall the dream. I know that I've
> > had a dream, but within moments of my waking, the details elude. Some
> > dreams can be recalled in a bit more detail. Those would be recurring
> > dreams. You've all had them. It's the day before the history exam and
> > you've not opened the history book. Which book is the size of three
> > Manhattan telephone directors on atop the other. Or the dream in
> > which one cannot find where he parked his car, or how to get home.
> > Even in these recurring dreams and in my case, I am unable to recall
> > the detail. Merely the feeling and an occasional flash memory.
> >
> > Ah, but the abduction 'dream,' that's entirely different. I can
> > recall nearly everything from the experience. Not merely the feeling
> > but the events. Such events also live in my memory even before I've
> > had the 'dream.' Besides which, the 'dream' is not really a dream. It
> > is rather a recall of the events preceding the recall (which appears
> > to be a vivid dream). Does that make sense to you? Good. Now to
> > continue.
> >
> > At age two years I began having nightmares. I would awaken screaming.
> > My parents, for a long time, believed I was having a nightmare.
> > However I would always tell them, "It was not a nightmare, Mommy. It
> > really happened!" Yet, whenever I was ill, with a childhood disease
> > or fever from the flu or cold, I would have genuine nightmares. I'd
> > wake up screaming. But I would _know_ that it was a bad dream and
> > then agree with my parents' statement. "Yes, it was a bad dream,
> > Mommy! A very bad dream."
> >
> > At age four, I refused to believe in Santa. It was, even to my young
> > mind, impossible for a man to travel with flying reindeer, or for
> > that matter, deliver a zillion gifts to a trillion homes. It would
> > have to happen so fast, I imagined, that one could not see the blur.
> > Besides, we had no fireplace.
> >
> > The dreams vs. my perceived reality usually confused my mother and
> > dad. It never confused me. I recall seeing a blue light pierce the
> > wall on the North side of my bedroom. The wall and window in that
> > blue light would disappear. Three little creatures whom I referred to
> > as "Little Doctors," would float through the beam of light and I
> > would be compelled to go with them. Compelled is the wrong word. I
> > had to go with them as I was floated out the same blue light, but
> > when inside that blue light, it became a white light. Up I would go
> > with two or three of these little doctors as I called them behind me
> > and one leading. The one leading was and is always the same
> > character. Taller than the others, this being was there with me from
> > the beginning. He is still with me now. I now call him 'Fred.'
> >
> > Why "Fred?' Because I was reminded of an act on the old Ed Sullivan
> > show, in which an older gentleman appeared with this floppy eared
> > hound who was named, "Fred." He'd set Fred up on a stool, walk away
> > about ten or so feet and holler, "Come on, Fred! Come on Fred." And
> > Fred was supposed to jump off the stool and come to his master.
> >
> > Fred never did anything. No matter what his master said or did, Fred
> > would just sit there and look happier than a clam. There is no
> > connection except one. Fred was the funniest name I could think of.
> > This became the moniker I applied to this taller than the others
> > entity. I wanted to make this being funny. No, not funny. I wanted to
> > make fun of this entity. And this was my way of doing so. So the
> > taller shortstuff is not "Fred." Only every time I am abducted, and
> > refer to 'it' as "Fred," he doesn't even crack a smile. But even in
> > my altered state, I feel this ... sort of ... superiority over Fred.
> > Makes me feel a bit better. Not to make fun of those who call on the
> > name of their god to chase the demons away, but when I call to my
> > Lord, He doesn't do anything. Perhaps this is all in my chart.
> >
> > Or maybe it's all a piece of undigested beef. An underdone potato.
> >
> > I recall one abductee who told me that she was made fun of (in a
> > manor of speaking) by the alien entity when she objected to their
> > taking her eggs and showing her children which were supposed to be
> > hers. She told me that the alien asked (the head alien much the same
> > as Fred), "Why do you keep pets?" As if to say, pets are taken by us
> > and kept. We give our pets love. In return, they give us love. And
> > peace. When I'm with my best little buddy Pepe, a French Bulldog, I
> > am at greater peace than in Church. (Sorry Lord, but the shoe fits
> > well, so I wear it)
> >
> > Another perceived abductee, a male, objected to the aliens taking his
> > sperm. He was told, in substance, "Why do you object? Do you not
> > waste and spill your seed?" Gee, talk about freedom of spirit and
> > independent decision making. Obviously these dudes never owned a
> > loving, giving doggie or felt the need to 'waste their own seed,'
> > assuming they have any. Had it been me, I'd have told them that
> > humans are free to make their own decisions when it comes to their
> > bodies. No one takes without giving. And these entities give nothing.
> > In fact, as I will show, they take much.
> >
> > Which brings us to how a lifetime of these experiences make a
> > lifetime of negativity and unhappiness. Not to mention ill-health.
> > Many perceived abductees, both male and female, are in poor health.
> > It's no wonder. Most of us suffer from some form of Post Traumatic
> > Stress Disorder. This is a real illness. Some years back, the medical
> > community decided that it was not real. We now know that PTSD is real
> > and affects millions of people who've experienced extreme stress.
> > War, terrorism and natural disaster will make you ill. Reduce your
> > immune system. Reduce one's ability to fight illness. The brain is a
> > powerful instrument. It can and does control the body in ways we do
> > not fully understand.
> >
> > People who suffer PTSD have auto immune system disorders. MS,
> > arthritis, headache, dependency on substances such as drugs or
> > alcohol. Many more. Women more than men suffer IBS (Irritable Bowel
> > Syndrome). This has been my bane for years, until a good man told me
> > what to do about it. Jeff Rense does not subscribe to anything coming
> > from dairy, but colostrum has changed my life. I no longer suffer
> > pain, spasms and the embarrassment of meteroism. Not to mention
> > constipation and it's converse.
> >
> > Believe me when I tell you that depression is rampant among us.
> >
> > Immediately following a most painful and bloody abduction, the first
> > of it's kind for me (and many others as well), I was on the brink of
> > a nervous breakdown, according to my physician of three decades. I
> > went to see my friend, Budd Hopkins and literally begged him to help
> > me. I need not have begged. He was there, with compassion and love,
> > with a caring I've not observed outside of my own family. After being
> > regressed that first time, and within the hour, I was a changed man.
> > I saw my doctor within 48 hours of that regression and he said to me
> > (verbatim, this I shall remember the rest of my life), "Jim, what the
> > hell happened to you? I was ready to begin aggressive treatment for
> > depression if not for a breakdown?"
> >
> > I told him that I'd been regressed by Budd Hopkins and that I never
> > felt this good. Not in my recent memory. It was like night and day.
> > No depression. Shock at having really (in my memory) experienced such
> > horror, but I was actually happy to have uncovered the memory. My
> > doctor was quite taken aback by my immediate progress, something he
> > would again witness later on but under even more bizarre
> > circumstances. This is the man who went on to spearhead a medical
> > study of perceived abductees against a control group of people who
> > had never experienced any such thing.
> >
> > The one problem this medical study experienced however was that the
> > control group had to be expanded by a very large number. You see,
> > those who laughed at even suspecting abduction by aliens, were found
> > to have been abductees. C'est la guierre.
> >
> > Now for the final revelation. For the first time in public, I present
> > a small excerpt from my physician's report on my condition on
> > admission to the Emergency Room of a hospital in Upstate NY. The
> > document is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and has been transmitted to
> > Jeff Rense. With the permission of my doctor and the medical group,
> > this is what I looked like in March of 2001, after a particularly
> > grueling abduction experience. Jeff Rense has, in his archives,
> > several radio shows which have tapes of both a medicated regression
> > (using advanced medications to retrieve truth) as well as the
> > regression tapes made by Budd Hopkins.
> >
> > Read this here, an exclusive to our best friend, Jeff Rense. Note
> > that certain names and places have been deleted in order to preserve
> > a sensible level of privacy for us all. Soon, an affidavit will be
> > submitted on this venue, which describes what a witness saw on the
> > same night, at the same time, I was apparently abducted. This brief
> > is in the hands of Budd Hopkins and more recently, Jeff Rense.
> >
> > =============================
> >
> > Case Study: James S. Mortellaro, Jr., Ph.D.
> >
> > James Mortellaro presented at (----) Hospital in March of 2001 by
> > ambulance to the Emergency Room.
> >
> > Mr. Mortellaro was unconscious, later determined to be in mild shock.
> >
> > Upon examination by the ER physician, patient was found to have bled
> > (profoundly) from the bladder through the penis. His clothing was
> > soaked with blood about the groin and upper thigh areas. There was
> > sensitivity in the lower left quadrant even though the patient was
> > unconscious. Patient was also found to have been bleeding from the
> > nose and tear ducts. There were obvious signs of surgery in the nose
> > above the septum, near the entrance to the sinuses.
> >
> > Patient regained consciousness within ten minutes after presentation.
> > His vitals were stable, BP 155/100, which was reduced after regaining
> > consciousness to 135/85 within ten minutes. There was no indication
> > of trauma to any portion of the body except for noted bleeding.
> >
> > Patient was able to identify himself, name, the date, the name of the
> > current president, etc., but was about five hours off on the time. He
> > thought the time was about 6 PM. It was close to midnight.
> >
> > Present were his wife, Trooper (---) from Troop (--) in (----), N.Y.,
> > Dr. (--------), his personal physician, various nursing personnel,
> > the ER physician, Dr. (-----) and others.
> >
> > When conscious, patient indicated feeling weak, disoriented and with
> > pain in the lower abdomen favoring patient's lower left quad. After
> > patient was made stable, CAT scans of the head, dorsal
> > and lumbar regions, along with CAT and MRI of the abdomen and
> > kidneys. All non intrusive
> > pictures were negative, with the exception of the bladder which
> > showed lesions in three areas favoring the left side.
> >
> > A cystostoscopy of the bladder was performed indicating contusions of
> > the lower left bladder area. A total of four such areas were found,
> > which was apparently the reason for bleeding. The wounds were odd in
> > that there appeared to be no apparent reason for their presence.
> > Again, there was no indication of causative external trauma.
> >
> > The blood found on the patient's clothing proved recent (within two
> > hours) profuse bleeding.
> >
> > Yet those areas were no longer bleeding (at the time) and should have
> > been. This was a very curious and impossible scenario.
> >
> > The CAT scans and MRI's confirmed recent (healed) nasal surgery which
> > the patient insisted he never had. As his personal physician, having
> > only recently given the patient a complete annual physical only days
> > before, I can testify to the fact that no such surgery had been done
> > at that Time.
> >
> > A total of two cystoscopy's were performed within 48 hours, showing
> > marked and nearly miraculous healing of the contusions in the
> > bladder. Another cystoscopy performed within ten days of
> > this 'incident,' indicated nearly complete healing. Very strange,
> > indeed. Very strange.
> >
> > Patient was discharged from hospital during (deleted), feeling fine,
> > with no apparent illness present.
> >
> > Commentary:
> >
> > We have never before seen such a bizarre case. I have been in
> > practice for more than 40 years. The ER physician commented, "I
> > haven't a clue!" No one has a clue. The State Police Trooper, who is
> > known by and knows Patient (who is a reserve police officer) and
> > Troop (-----) supervisors did a computer search as well as check with
> > three troop barracks in three counties to determine if there had been
> > an attempted car jacking or accident. There were none.
> >
> > This case is a first in our experience, both from the standpoint of
> > the rapid healing (which should be impossible) as well as the lack of
> > any indication of trauma which may have caused such bizarre injury.
> >
> >
> > Dr. ____ __________, MD
> >
> > 3/30/01
> >
> > ===========================
> >
> > To those who do not believe, even in the possibility, consider the
> > above. To those who refuse to believe, you have a problem worse than
> > mine. To those who believe, think about the possibility of being
> > skeptical. Always skeptical. It keeps the mind open to explanations
> > other than the alien abduction theory.
> >
> > To me, I cannot allow myself to believe otherwise. After each
> > regression, the memory is so real, that it must be part of my actual
> > experience. I cannot think of any other explanation. However, what
> > the heck do I know? There are more things in heaven and Earth ...
> > etc.
> > Love, peace and prayers,
> > Jim Mortellaro
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > If you go to the Jeff Rense archive site at:
> > http://www.soundwaves2000.com/rense/archives/2003/oct_index.asp
> > You can hear Budd and Jim replaying the hypnotic regression tape of
> > this abduction encounter. Jim is a reserve deputy and you can hear on
> > the tape where he tried to pull his service pistol during the
> > abduction and the aliens made him put it down.
> > Art Greenfield
> > http://antigray.tripod.com/
> > More information:
> ? http://www.booklocker.com/books/1417.html
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800
> > From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@P...>
> > Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
> >
> > >Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> > >abductions,
> > >what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
> >
> > I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
> > about that. >>>>>
> >
> > Hi Jack,
> > If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> > friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> > regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
> not.
> The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
> that regard,
>
> Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:46:28 -0800
> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research/
> Sarfatti Abduction?
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2004, at 08:57 AM, antigray@... wrote:
>
> ><<<Message: 5
> ><<<Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:36:13 -0800
> >From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@...>
> >Subject: Re: U.S. Anti-Gravitic UFO Technology/Your Research
> >
> >>Since the latter two (2) deal w/ the touchy subject of alien
> >>abductions,
> >>what is your opinion of this phenomenon?
> >
> >I am open to that. Indeed, I may be an abductee myself. I am not sure
> >about that. >>>>>
> >
> >Hi Jack,
> >If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> >friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> >regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
>
> James Harder tried and failed.
>
> > What makes you think you may be an abductee?
>
> Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
> not.
> The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important in
> that regard,
>
>
>
> Hi Jack,
> I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
> things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
> like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
> fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction. You
> remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> several of those strange phone calls over a three week period. You
> apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and you
> may or may not have had missing time. Due to how the aliens are using
> you, there is a good chance you were only taken briefly, received an
> implant, and were quickly returned with all memories of the abduction
> erased. The aliens would not use you the way they use most abductees,
> as breeding stock to breed human/alien hybrids. They have a different
> program for humans with brilliant minds like yourself and those few
> hundred other children they chose. As the best and the brightest, your
> group would be destined to work in various fields where the aliens
> wanted you to be their eyes and ears. Some of this even coincides with
> your ideas of causes and effects being in the wrong sequence. Example:
> Aliens show up in 2004 and do a quick survey of what people are in key
> positions doing research and development on advanced weapons and
> propulsion systems. They back track them all to when they were
> impressionable kids 20 years ago in 1984. They have their computer
> call them on the phone and entice them to go outside with a fanciful
> story that they will be needed in 20 years and all they have to do is
> say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes and going outside makes it a lot
> easier to abduct you if you are in an urban area with a lot of
> witnesses. If you had said "no," they would have had to zap you
> unconscious and came down and get you themselves. When you went
> outside you were probably whisked straight up to their craft by their
> diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have been abducted a
> few more times over the next three weeks in order that they could scan
> and record your memories, so that they would have them on hand for
> future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen memory. There
> are several people I've heard of that went through something similar.
> The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who worked in the US Army
> Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime timeline was very important
> to the aliens for two reasons. He was working with items of technology
> recovered from the Roswell crash, and at one time the aliens had
> needed him to order the base radar at White Sands to be shut off
> because it was interfering with the navigation avionics on one of
> their small craft that had landed, and they could not leave. Col.
> Corso said that he thought because of his chance meeting with the
> aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had signaled another of
> their craft to go back in time to when he was 6 years old and abduct
> him off of his front porch. He would have then been implanted so that
> they could summon him to their future landing spot and get him to
> radio back to the base command post and order the base radar to be
> shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is where it gets
> hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind you eye and
> ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and auditory nerve,
> convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the signal to the
> aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you see and hear
> what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who had an
> implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear your
> own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on his
> telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction of a
> second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of transmission
> from the implant. You could hear that different words sounded slightly
> different when they were transmitted by the implant. So, you and the
> other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent spies on the
> inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are keeping an eye on
> us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our enemies. We are their
> property. This whole relationship is very basic. That's why I wrote my
> book, so we can change things for the better, to benefit them and us.
> But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
> do you think?
> Art
>
> Hi Jack,
> > I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> > picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few
> other
> > things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
> > like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on
> your
> > fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
> was there.
>
> > You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> > interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> > several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> > You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
> > you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
> > only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
> > with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
> > you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> > human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
>
> > They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
> > yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
> > and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
> > fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
> over 50 years.
>
> > Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
> > being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
> > quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
> > development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
> > track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
> > 1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
> > to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
> > years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
> > and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in
> an
> > urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
> > have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
> > When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
> > craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
> > been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order
> that
> > they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have
> them
> > on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
> > memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> > something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> > worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> > timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
> > working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash,
> and
> > at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at
> White
> > Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
> > avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
> > not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> > meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
> > signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
> > years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
> > been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
> > spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
> > base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
> > where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head
> behind
> > you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
> > auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
> > signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
> > see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee
> who
> > had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you
> hear
> > your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant
> on
> > his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
> > of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> > transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
> > sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
> > So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be
> inadvertent
> > spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> > keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> > enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very
> basic.
> > That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better,
> to
> > benefit them and us.
> > But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know
> what
> > do you think?
> > Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
> some time?
>
> Wed Jan 7, 2004 2:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [Starfleet Command] Digest Number 861
>
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> I remember riding in a train crossing the Alps with a Canadian PhD
> candidate in theoretical physics. The train stopped, we weren't
> paying attention, and by the time we realized we needed to get off
> and got down the corridor with our bulky back packs, the train
> started moving. He suggested we jump, considering that if we did
> not, we would lose 1 day in our travel back to Paris.
>
> Well I jumped first and was badly injured with lacerations requiring
> minor stitches. He hesitated, but then jumped. Unfortunately the
> train had picked up speed and he was more severly injured with a
> broken collar bone and a severed ear.
>
> The point is this brillant guy, a physicist no doubt, had forgotten
> everything about basic momentum with his mind high in the sky.
>
> The nurses in Gap, France thought we were typical stupid Americans:-)
>
> So what is the point of the story? Simple. Life has a kind of
> magneticism where we are attracted to like people, or sometimes to
> opposites as the saying goes. Perhaps Jack it's all very normal down
> to earth "human physics". After all you are the first to admit that
> your approach is derived out of ordinary 1920's-1950's theory. UFO's
> does have a romanticism and it makes for good marketing, at least to
> a fringe population.
>
> I would not at all doubt that cold war intrigue was at play.
>
> Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [Starfleet Command] Digest Number 861
>
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> No there is IMHO no ordinary explanation for the uncanny string of
> events
> on my world line for past 50 years. Saul-Paul is aware of a lot of it
> from
> first-hand experiences. So are others.
> Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:48 pm
> Subject: Re: Jack an Abductee?/ Now What?
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> In a message dated 1/7/04 1:31:10 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:23:14 -0800
> From: Jack Sarfatti <Sarfatti@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 861
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 03:25 PM, antigray@... wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 1/6/04 3:09:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> >SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com writes:
> >
> >>Hi Jack,
> >>If you want I can contact my friend Dr. Jim Mortellaro who is close
> >>friends with Budd Hopkins, and see about getting you hypnotically
> >>regressed to retrieve any abduction memories.
> >
> >James Harder tried and failed.
> >
> >> What makes you think you may be an abductee?
> >
> >Read my book Destiny Matrix. It's a complex story.
> >Also http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> >Of course it all depends if my physics is really "The Right Stuff" or
> >not.
> >The recent discovery of "dark energy" ~ 1998 is extremely important
> >in
> >that regard,
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Jack,
> >I think we have a problem. I am very good at looking at the big
> >picture. After checking out your Matrix account, and quite a few other
> >things all day, I have tentatively come to a conclusion you may not
> >like. Your childhood experiences where you were told to go out on your
> >fire escape seemed like the lead-in to a typical abduction.
>
>
> Yes, I know. I was with at least two other kids Norman and Neal Lagatta
> and I think also "Winki" (Al Brough) although I am not sure if Winki
> was there.
>
> >You remember getting one phone call. I read today where someone
> >interviewed your mother and she said she remembered you getting
> >several of those strange phone calls over a three week period.
>
> Correct
>
> >You apparently don't remember being "taken" off the fire escape, and
> >you may or may not have had missing time.
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> > Due to how the aliens are using you, there is a good chance you were
> >only taken briefly, received an implant, and were quickly returned
> >with all memories of the abduction erased. The aliens would not use
> >you the way they use most abductees, as breeding stock to breed
> >human/alien hybrids.
>
> My own theory is that I am being used, if this abduction scenario is
> true, I do not know if it is, for "technology transfer" from ET to
> humans. Or perhaps it is my over-active imagination? :-)
>
> Hi Jack,
> It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
> don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
> will come back to haunt them.
> Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
> military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going warcraft,
> we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continued
> operations. By using you and the other strategically placed bright
> kids, they could keep a close watch on our progress toward becoming
> dangerous to them.
> I take it from your open posting about things on the Internet that you
> are not presently employed where maintaining a security clearance is a
> big issue. Do you think you still have functioning implants in you? Do
> you have any strange effects on TVs, radios, electric-eye operated
> streetlights, or computers when you are near them? If so, that is
> usually caused by an implant. Can you or any of the other "chosen"
> bright kids close your eyes and see detailed blueprints of advanced
> technology equipment? If you can, you were given one of the aliens
> master control implants that allows you to access their tech.
> database. Tesla was inadvertently given one of those during an
> abduction. If you read his autobiography, it is veeeery obvious. It is
> at:
> http://www.olypen.com/harmon/tesla.htm
>
> If you or any of your chosen friends have one of those interface type
> implants, let me know. We can put it to very good use for some
> clandestine alien technology transfer. You could be "inventing" more
> stuff than Tesla.
> More info below.
>
> >They have a different program for humans with brilliant minds like
> >yourself and those few hundred other children they chose. As the best
> >and the brightest, your group would be destined to work in various
> >fields where the aliens wanted you to be their eyes and ears.
>
> Exactly. That's my understanding of the "contact" and Walter Breen was
> part it. Either that, or it's a pretty uncanny sequence of coincidences
> over 50 years.
>
> >Some of this even coincides with your ideas of causes and effects
> >being in the wrong sequence. Example: Aliens show up in 2004 and do a
> >quick survey of what people are in key positions doing research and
> >development on advanced weapons and propulsion systems. They back
> >track them all to when they were impressionable kids 20 years ago in
> >1984. They have their computer call them on the phone and entice them
> >to go outside with a fanciful story that they will be needed in 20
> >years and all they have to do is say "yes" and go outside. Saying yes
> >and going outside makes it a lot easier to abduct you if you are in an
> >urban area with a lot of witnesses. If you had said "no," they would
> >have had to zap you unconscious and came down and get you themselves.
> >When you went outside you were probably whisked straight up to their
> >craft by their diamagnetic lifter with no fuss and muss. You may have
> >been abducted a few more times over the next three weeks in order that
> >they could scan and record your memories, so that they would have them
> >on hand for future use if they needed to use them on you as a screen
> >memory. There are several people I've heard of that went through
> >something similar. The most notable one was Col. Phil Corso, who
> >worked in the US Army Foreign Technology Division. His lifetime
> >timeline was very important to the aliens for two reasons. He was
> >working with items of technology recovered from the Roswell crash, and
> >at one time the aliens had needed him to order the base radar at White
> >Sands to be shut off because it was interfering with the navigation
> >avionics on one of their small craft that had landed, and they could
> >not leave. Col. Corso said that he thought because of his chance
> >meeting with the aliens on that craft in the desert, that they had
> >signaled another of their craft to go back in time to when he was 6
> >years old and abduct him off of his front porch. He would have then
> >been implanted so that they could summon him to their future landing
> >spot and get him to radio back to the base command post and order the
> >base radar to be shut down, since he was the base commander. Here is
> >where it gets hairy. The implants the aliens stick in your head behind
> >you eye and ear pick up the nerve impulses of the optic nerve and
> >auditory nerve, convert it to a transmittable format and transmit the
> >signal to the aliens monitoring you. It allows them to see what you
> >see and hear what you hear. I've done experiments with an abductee who
> >had an implant that transmitted what he heard (or said, since you hear
> >your own speech). We could pick up the transmissions of his implant on
> >his telephone speaker microphone. If he would say a word, a fraction
> >of a second later the speaker would pick up a brief burst of
> >transmission from the implant. You could hear that different words
> >sounded slightly different when they were transmitted by the implant.
> >So, you and t! he other bright kids were "recruited" to be inadvertent
> >spies on the inside of various advanced projects. The aliens are
> >keeping an eye on us, your eye. They are not our friends, or our
> >enemies. We are their property. This whole relationship is very basic.
> >That's why I wrote my book, so we can change things for the better, to
> >benefit them and us.
> >But then I could be wrong about you. Mull it over and let me know what
> >do you think?
> >Art
>
> It is quite possible. I suppose Kit Green should do a brain scan on me
> some time?
>
> There are other simpler ways to check for implants. Here is a lot of
> info about implant's effects, and how to locate them, from a post of
> mine from the group I own.
> From: antigray@...
> Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 10:02 am
> Subject: Whitley Is A Slider
> Hi Group,
> Whitley Strieber was interviewed by Art Bell on his radio show a few
> nights
> ago. Whitley said that when he gets emotionally upset, his implant
> that is in
> his head behind his ear will get hot to the point of being painful and
> will
> cause street lights to go out as he drives or walks by them. If you are
> unfamiliar with this phenomena, it is quite common among abductees
> with alien
> implants in their bodies. These people are called "sliders." They
> cause "street light
> interference (SLI)." Their implants are putting out radio signals that
> are so
> strong that they will trigger the electric eyes on street lights at
> night,
> fooling the device into thinking it is daylight out and shutting off
> the light.
> These people also cause interference on electronic equipment. I've
> posted in
> detail about this before. Here is the post:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/
> post?protectID=24307111\40092\
> 29209169097203043229208098145211
> Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:53 pm
> Subject: Are You a SLIder?
>
> Hi Group,
> Are you a SLIder? SLI stands for Street Light Interference. It is
> caused by
> implants.
> Here is what I posted a while back about the phenomena at:
> http://www.amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html
> The syndrome most of the posters here talk about is shared by three
> abductees
> I know personally and have written about in my book. What these three
> have
> been experiencing is caused by radio frequency energy put out by the
> implants
> that were put into them by the aliens when they were abducted. To
> prove that
> this energy is coming from specific points in your body there is a
> cheap
> implant detector that can pinpoint exactly where they are in your
> body. Get a
> Sony Walkman or other small portable radio. Turn it on the AM band
> between
> stations. Pass it over your arms, legs, and head mainly. When it gets
> near
> the implants you will get a blast of static that will almost blow out
> the
> speakers, even if the volume is turned down. I have personally done
> this test
> on 2 of the abductees. I located one implant in one persons foot, and
> another
> in the right sinus cavity in the skull of the other person. Some
> abductees
> have as many as 6 implants in them. The aliens use the implants
> primarily to
> monitor your physical condition and as a locator transponder so they
> know
> where you are. There are 5 other things they use them for. It is
> sending
> telemetry continuously so that they can monitor your physical health
> and
> emotional state. If you would like to talk to one of the people I know
> who
> has this same syndrome, contact Brynne at the Yahoo Mars South Pole
> Returns
> Forum at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns
> She recently was asked to be a founder of the club. If you have any
> questions
> ask me or her. You may be in for a shock. (No joke intended.) I
> respect this
> forum staff's intent to study this from a scientific standpoint and
> kick
> alien "theories" to the other site they listed, but the people I have
> met and
> examined and interviewed are all long term multiple abductees. If it
> quacks
> like a duck, it probably is a duck. An abductee I am in touch with in
> Arizona
> has provided me with X-rays showing her implant in her jaw. It has been
> malfunctioning and causing her all manner of problems. Soon she is
> scheduled
> to have it surgically removed by Dr. Roger Leir in California. I would
> love
> to report all the fun we have had experimenting with this particular
> implant
> but it would take far too long. It takes up nearly an entire chapter
> in my
> book. We were able to learn a lot about implants from the things we
> did. Some
> of the information we developed is not in the mainstream of
> information about
> implants. I have most of the information posted in forums we belong to
> but I
> don't want to post other forum addresses here since a lot of places
> don't
> like you doing that. They think you are trying to spam to get members
> elsewhere, etc. If you want additional info Email me and I'll Email it
> back
> to you. I hope this helps you all.
> Antigray
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/
> post?protectID=24307111\40092\
> 29209169097203043229208098145211
> Cocoa, FL USA - Friday, February 02, 2001 at 08:26:29 (PST)
>
> The following is from the other abductee I know:
> On reading the posts in here, i see that part of my story has been
> noted by
> Art Greenfield, "antigray"....he has included me in his book that is
> being
> printed at this time.......i too am electrical....man is it
> intense....i
> notice the streetlights too, but that may be coincidence...mainly I zap
> people at work....more so when i am stressed....I was handing a salt
> shaker
> to one of my coworkers last month and i zapped her with a charge that
> jumped
> about 2 inches!!!!!!.....I sit on a chair with rubber wheels and arc
> with my
> computer keyboard frequently... shorted one out last year..I have
> shorted out
> 2 electric blankets at home as well...i had a rewritable CD on the
> shelf above
> my computer (in a locked box) which was erased (my head is near it
> when I
> play at the computer)...all this started about 10 years ago, after i
> moved into my house....it appeared to be haunted, but soon was
> apparent that it was another life
> form...yes i had many encounters...but the electrical phenomena began
> after I
> was hit in the face by a ball of electricity from my computer
> monitor....no I
> wasn't harmed, only my hand was numb where it exited my body.....just
> before that event, i noted a small Light inside the floppy drive back
> in the left
> rear corner....LOOK IN THERE GUYS, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.....
> appears that I have several "alien implants" in my face as well as
> other
> points in my body....we have been doing some experiments,....very
> fascinating....as for Dr. Roger Leir, we are in contact but he hasn't
> called
> me to come down for removal yet....and yes, someday I have a book to
> be written about all this............ thank you for the chance to
> speak......
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/
> post?protectID=12517623\41501\
> 58116025038109248249187177143238197061239152006048067
>
> windancer@theriver.c\
> Claypool, AZ USA - Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 10:10:41 (PST)
>
> Also check out:
> http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/sli.html
> http://www.geocities.com/eel_411/sli101/
> http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9804/21/electric.girl/
>
> http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa012400a.htm?once=true&
>
> Do streetlights suddenly go out when you pass beneath
> them? Do watches or credit cards stop working in
> your possession? Perhaps you are a SLIder.
>
> A reader writes:
>
> Around five years ago, I have noticed that at times
> while I am driving down the road at night a street light will go
> out as I am passing below it. It happens frequently
> and seems to be happening more.
> It has been giving me the creeps. If it happened only
> once or on very rare occasions, I don't think I would have
> given it a thought. However, it happens about once or
> twice a week. Could it be some electronic thing or could
> it be something less explainable?
>
> The phenomenon is known as street lamp interference,
> or SLI, and it possibly is a psychic event that is just
> beginning to be recognized and studied. Like most
> phenomena of this type, the evidence is almost exclusively
> anecdotal. I have received several stories like the
> one above from readers.
>
> Typically, a person who has this effect on
> streetlights - also known as a SLIder - finds that the light switches
> on or off when he or she walks or drives beneath it.
> Obviously, this could happen occasionally by chance with
> a faulty streetlight (you've probably noticed that
> it's happened to you once in a while), but SLIders claim that it
> happens to them on a regular basis. It doesn't happen
> every time with every streetlight, but it occurs often
> enough to make these people suspect that something
> unusual is going on.
>
> Very often, SLIders also report that they tend to
> have an odd effect on other electronic devices. In letters I've
> received, these people claim such effects as:
> Appliances such as lamps and TVs go on and off
> without being touched.
> Light bulbs constantly blow when the SLIder tries to
> turn them off or on.
> Volume levels change on TVs, radios, and CD players.
> Watches stop working.
> Children's electronic toys start by themselves when
> the SLIder is present.
> Credit cards and other magnetically encoded cards are
> damaged or erased when in their possession.
> What's the Cause?
> Any attempt to pinpoint a cause for SLI at this point
> would be mere speculation without a thorough scientific
> investigation. The problem with such investigations,
> as with many forms of psychic phenomena, is that they
> are very difficult to reproduce in a laboratory. They
> seem to happen spontaneously without the deliberate
> intention of the SLIder. In fact, the SLIder,
> according to some informal tests, are usually unable to create the
> effect on demand.
>
> A reasonable speculation for the effect, if it is a
> real one, might have something to do with the electronic
> impulses of the brain. All of our thoughts and
> movements are the result of electrical impulses that the brain
> generates. At present it is known that these
> measurable impulses only have an effect within an individual's
> body, but is it possible that they could have an
> effect outside the body - a kind of remote control?
>
> Current Results
>
> Ongoing research at the Princeton Engineering
> Anomalies Research (PEAR) lab is suggesting that the
> subconscious can indeed affect electronic devices.
> Subjects are able to influence the random generations of a
> computer far more than would occur merely by chance.
> This research - and research being conducted at other
> laboratories around the world - are beginning to
> reveal, in scientific terms, the reality of such psychic
> phenomena as ESP, telekinesis and soon, perhaps, SLI.
>
> Although the SLI effect is not a conscious one, some
> SLIders report that when it does occur, they often are in
> an extreme emotional state. A state of anger or
> stress is often cited as the "cause." SLIder Debbie Wolf, a
> British barmaid, told CNN, "When it happens is when
> I'm stressed about something. Not really maniacally
> stressed, just when I'm really mulching something
> over, really chewing something over in my head, and then it
> happens."
>
> Could it all be just coincidence, however? David
> Barlow, a graduate student of physics and astrophysics,
> suspects that the phenomenon might be attributed to
> people seeing patterns in "random noise." "It is unlikely
> that a light will turn itself on when you walk past
> it," he says, "so it is a shock when it happens. If this should
> happen a few times consecutively, then it appears
> some mechanism is at work."
> -------courtesy of http://www.worldofthestrange.com
>
> I cover this topic and a lot more in my new book. It is available
> online
> through Booklocker.com at:
> http://www.booklocker.com/books/1417.html
>
> If you have any questions please ask.
> Thanks,
> Art
>
>
> Hi Jack,
> > It is not a technology transfer. It is damage control to make sure we
> > don't get to a point quantitatively and qualitatively where the
> > technology recovered and back-engineered from their recovered craft
> > will come back to haunt them.
>
> In that case, they lost. The Cat is out of The Box and "It's alive,
> Igor! It's alive!" "Young Frankenstein" Mel Brooks
>
> > Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." So, if our
> > military ever got sufficient numbers of advanced space-going
> warcraft,
> > we would present an imminent threat to the alien's continue<br/><br/>(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

Catherine Mooney

My dear Janet, we were not there. We have no idea of the reasoning they did this. I feel the same way but, if the whole of mankind was in jepordy of it s

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, Feb 1, 2013

My dear Janet, we were not there. We have no idea of the reasoning they did this. I feel the same way but, if the whole of mankind was in jepordy of it's existance what would you chose? Life death and or future nonexsistance.Mybe they had no choice at that point.Maybe they could not play mother may I.They just had to make a discision.
Janet with the populas the way it is right now. It does not look like it hurt it none. The only thing I pity is the ones they took that were still alive.That is what I would be angry about.Poor things.What they went through before they died.The horror........

Love , Cheri

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