Bisides, if you works on your machine, it makes it trickier to debug to find out why it doesn’t work on an artists, especially as artists never have Visual Studio installed, so you can’t debug it on their machine :)

graphics sell games, so artists keep programmers in work.[/quote:fef6f1a992]
As artists are responsible for the down-turn in game-play. Programmers are too busy trying to make them happy to be able to innovate and make games good :)

Or maybe its all the producers fault……….what do they actually do anyway? [/quote:fef6f1a992]
Don’t get me started…just don’t…not today. I’ll get myself fired.

If the programmers were the ones with the creative control, games would only have gotten as far as pong with 3 colours. As it is, programmers have to nozzle crotches of artists for inspiration like hungry dogs. “please give me something interesting to program, please!”

Bloody artists, always trying to fix the things that arent broken…[/quote:6d64a6cd74]
Nah they don’t.
They never try fix things, just come straight to the programmers and complain its broken. Have they got latest? Have they followed the documents you wrote for them to follow ? No…cos they know best. :x

So by your “logic” kearney the game store would have nothing else but Pong on the shelf – oh in a range of colours of course – as long as it’s less than 4! [/quote:e8d6027658]
At this rate, you are heading towards producer status!

By my logic, as I tried to explain above in such a fashion that even an artist such as yourself could understand, if I program PONG, it will SAY pong on the box, NOT half life 3.

You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…
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The only people that should be taken to a public place, naked, coated in tar and feathers, doused with gasoline then set alight and possibly allowed to run towards the nearest water cleaning plant are the suits that have turned the hobby into an industry, or dare I say it, a business.

You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…[/quote:452658f0ba]
The only advantage of trying to be an artist and programmer is that you can get flamed by both sides who both hate you with equal disdain.

I am friends with a very good psychologist, I could pass on your number if you want…..[/quote:dee70f3598]
LOL, yeah I remember my Fine Arts teachers looking at me like I was crazy when I said I was doing a Bac S (Scientist) instead of the usual Literary one…
what can I say, I only came to programming because for me it’s a nice creative discipline, just like any other form of art, really. Probably why I am as messy and disorganised than your usual nerd :wink:

Skyclad : I _am_ a programmer. I just find it terribly tedious, once in a while. Then I start doing fun stuff like openGL and I remember why I liked it in the first place.

pkelly83: well… I suppose you wouldn’t be the first who wants to kill me :oops: usually it’s my bosses :P The people I help, on the other hand, they are just happy to be talking with someone with actual social skills (like, I can speak English, rather than nerd-speak)

What exactly is this nonsense now ? Why can’t everyone just get along.. Sigh.. :roll:

To programmers:

Artists are not a waste of your time. Your fancy pixel shaders and uber-cool graphics engine will look like complete and utter s**te unless you have talented artists producing the goods that can back it up. So give them the tools that they need, make things as easy as possible for them to express themselves and get the job done. Stop begruding them just because they might not have the same level of technical expertise or knowledge of computers as you do, everyone cannot be good at everything.

To artists:

Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable. Talk to them and you will see that. Let them know what you need and I’m sure they will listen. You are not cooler than them, you do not have a better taste in things or better social skills. Without them you’re stuff is going nowhere so learn to appreciate that.

Ok you have a point. Maybe "Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable." maybe its just the ones I know ;) And there are worse things then star trek geeks…Babylon 5 geeks!