You left a name out of your UU is going to be ridiculously unbalanced list. Kyurem. This 660 Base Stat beasty thats immune to hail (which looks like it's going to be common with Mamoswine, Stallrein, Frosslass and Abomasnow all down there too) still hasn't been declared Uber yet.

Also, 8 of the top 10 all immune to Sandstorm damage. I wonder what type of team is defining this Gen's Meta-Game?

You left a name out of your UU is going to be ridiculously unbalanced list. Kyurem. This 660 Base Stat beasty thats immune to hail (which looks like it's going to be common with Mamoswine, Stallrein, Frosslass and Abomasnow all down there too) still hasn't been declared Uber yet.

Also, 8 of the top 10 all immune to Sandstorm damage. I wonder what type of team is defining this Gen's Meta-Game?

I'm willing to bet Kyurem will go up a bit when Latios is banned, Same power Draco meteor for 15 less speed, but a 130 base outrage. Also it's Ice neutrality sets him apart from many of the OUgame's dragon counters. It's fight weakness sucks though. Latias, Hydregion will shoot up as well.

It may make Uber when it's movie comes out and learns fusion flare/bolt

True. But I'm still not sure he's going to make it into OU even if/when Latios is gone. He's really being starved of usage down in UU still even though, with Abomasnow being the only Fully Evolved inducer down there Hail should be fairly dominant in the weather war.

Will be interesting to see what they do with him, because despite his huge stats, theres nothing about him currently I consider Uber.

I'm actually suprised to see Deoxys-S and Latios still in OU. Deoxys-S is bloody fast, learns great lead moves like Taunt, Stealth Rock, and Spikes, and even scarfed pokes with Base 100 can't outrun it. And in an earlier topic, Latios it still a dangerous threat even without Soul Dew. Base 130 SpA + Choice Specs + Draco Meteor = .

I'm even more suprised that Thundurus is still on the Suspect list. Although he does get Prankster, which means priority Taunt, Nasty Plot, Rain Dance, etc. Though he does have a very small offensive movepool of Thunderbolt, Focus Blast, and Dark Pulse, that's all he really needs to sweep.

I'm actually suprised to see Deoxys-S and Latios still in OU. Deoxys-S is bloody fast, learns great lead moves like Taunt, Stealth Rock, and Spikes, and even scarfed pokes with Base 100 can't outrun it. And in an earlier topic, Latios it still a dangerous threat even without Soul Dew. Base 130 SpA + Choice Specs + Draco Meteor = .

I'm even more suprised that Thundurus is still on the Suspect list. Although he does get Prankster, which means priority Taunt, Nasty Plot, Rain Dance, etc. Though he does have a very small offensive movepool of Thunderbolt, Focus Blast, and Dark Pulse, that's all he really needs to sweep.

For something that shouldn't even exist imo, I could care less ...

Deoxys-S is okay I mean yes it is fast but that is really it, don't really find it that dangerous of an opponent & as for Latios, I agree but there are worse things in OU at the moment that it is needed for imo...

Thundurus is actually so so very very close to being banned apparently, it is so close that it probably doesn't stand a chance if it is brought up for discussion again, that is how bad it's chances are at the moment ...

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The new metagame is gonna be really interesting with Pokemon who were never OU are now OU.

I found that Mew could have a good spot in my team, but never tried her because I was worried that she would be in Uber again. But seeing that she could be in UU, then I feel ok.

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Deoxys-S is okay I mean yes it is fast but that is really it, don't really find it that dangerous of an opponent

He actually makes a great Lead poke. He has good lead moves like Taunt, Stealth Rock, Spikes, and apparently he also learns Magic Coat. And his offensive stats aren't the best, but not too shabby. With the right EVs, his Superpower can OHKO a 4/0 Tyranitar and usually OHKOs a 252/0 Tyranitar. So underestimate him at your own cost

But of course Prankster pokes with Taunt can completly ruin him, so that might be why he's now OU.

Can somebody in-game test this? I made a thread yesterday in Viridian forest that a lot of pokemon (mostly fighting-types) listed on the psydex/cerebii/smogon are listed to learn Magic coat, but taking them to the tutor the option is not available. Only Bubapedia seems to have the correct list, which lists Deoxys on the move page, but not on it's own genIV tutor list page. So it might not. (Would test myself but moved mine to B/W)

Okay and? People keep saying that and while it's true to some extent, it's not like Politoed (or Ninetales) is a Snover or a Hippopotas who becomes totally dead weight after setting up its weather. Politoed's problem has never been that it had bad stats or anything; it just didn't have anything to distinguish it from the ten billion other Water Pokemon out there, and now it does. It's just weird to me because you never see people saying things like "Azumarill/Medicham is ONLY used because of Huge/Pure Power!" when A) no duh and B) without the ability those two are actually way worse than Politoed is?

Gotta agree with Frost. Politoed is by no means dead weight once he's set up the rain, saying that he's only OU because of Drizzle (which is true I'll admit they could of given Drizzle to Luvdisc insetad and it would probably still find some usage) doesn't mean he is necessarily a bad pokemon. With reasonable special bulk and an Sp.Att stat that is only 10 Base points shy of has long been the most dominant Special Offence orientated pokemon, Starmie, Politoed definetly has the power to punch holes in teams with Rain Boosted (choice specs if you want) Hydro Pumps. And also has an okay Support move pool if you want to go the bulkier route.

Game freak obviously decided he needed abit of a push, because like Frost said, he has never been a bad pokemon, he's just had nothing to to differentiate himself.

These guys are right. Politoed was never a bad Pokemon. It actually had pretty decent stats. The reason why it was UU/NU was because it had absolutely nothing to distinguish itself from other bulky waters. It had Water Absorb, but Vaporeon used it better. It had good Sp. Att. and Sp. Def., but Ludicolo used them better due to superior typing. Now it has an ability that no other Pokemon (besides the mighty Kyogre) has. That's why it got a niche in todays OU.

One thing I must admit I have only just noticed and has slightly annoyed me is that Game Freak handed out Drought and Drizzle this Gen via Dream World, but not Air Lock.

Can't believe I missed that, although I've never really had an interest in Ubers.

Air Lock completely rids the field of weather I believe, whereas Cloud Nine only operates whilst the certain pokemon is out. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

But if I am right, why couldn't Game freak give something Air Lock as a Dream World ability in the same way? Anything to stop the constant, The Battle has Started. Your opponent sent out Tyranitar. -_-

Well that is a shame, I always assumed Air Lock completely removed it. So, essentially, Rayquaza has the same ability as Golduck...but they didn't want people to know that so they gave it a different name.

Air Lock needs a buff so that it removes weather until the relative move is used or the inducer comes back into battle and then they should let something along the line of Ninetales and Politoed (not bad pokemon but often over looked) to start bringing the importance of a weather war down a notch or two.

Well that is a shame, I always assumed Air Lock completely removed it. So, essentially, Rayquaza has the same ability as Golduck...but they didn't want people to know that so they gave it a different name.

Air Lock needs a buff so that it removes weather until the relative move is used or the inducer comes back into battle and then they should let something along the line of Ninetales and Politoed (not bad pokemon but often over looked) to start bringing the importance of a weather war down a notch or two.

IMO they should just nerf all auto-weather abilities to only last 5 turns.

Well that is a shame, I always assumed Air Lock completely removed it. So, essentially, Rayquaza has the same ability as Golduck...but they didn't want people to know that so they gave it a different name.

Air Lock needs a buff so that it removes weather until the relative move is used or the inducer comes back into battle and then they should let something along the line of Ninetales and Politoed (not bad pokemon but often over looked) to start bringing the importance of a weather war down a notch or two.

IMO they should just nerf all auto-weather abilities to only last 5 turns.

Good idea: if they did that then the entire metagame would be much less weather-based. Because using full-time weather teams is a rather simple strategy and can very likely destroy entire teams. I would rather want weather just to be a minor strategy in the teams.

Example: on my Uber team (in my sig) I have a Groudon, which we all know brings out the sun, but the sun is ONLY for him and my Reshiram. And my Palkia doesn't work too well in sun since it's Surf and Thunder are mostly to combat Kyogre and rain friends. (But luckly he does have Fire Blast when it's sunny).

And with my Politoed point, I was just annoyed how he became used in nearly every team and used him to destroy foes with rain. But now I see I was mostly wrong: he does have decent stats and decent sweeping abilities (with C-Specs) and a decent movepool.

In short, I just want teams to be more 'original' and creative instead of using a Tyrant + Excadrill to win every battle.

In all honesty I don't even think that weather is that much of a problem anymore, you just need to approach it the right way. Unaware Quagsire can shut down atleast half of a Sandstorm team for example, you just need to make sure you have a cleric on the team to get rid of any statuses he may incur. And rain, you can just throw Choice Specs on practically anything with Surf and smash the water based half of the teams as Drizzle and Swift Swim are illegal.

So I'm not to fussed about the weather being dominant, I would just prefer Air Lock to be the equivalent of no weather as to put Rayquaza's ability on the same tier as KyUber'ss and Groundon's. But obviously that won't happen, atleast not this Gen now. So, banning Garchump is a nice way to start weeding out afew SS teams I suppose.

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