Under the Scales is a podcast by Tom Marshall, longtime songwriter for the band Phish. The podcast captures and brings to light the rich and complex culture surrounding Phish and its diverse, devoted fanbase. Phish's quirky sense of humor pervades and steers the podcast. Tom will interview the band, fans, insiders, outsiders...and dare to go UNDER THE SCALES to uncover the beating heart of Phish!

Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called. YouTube version of this podcast.