Ubuweb have been tweeting about how they'll surely go down if it passes. Which might not sound like much, but it's a large proportion of my cultural life down the drain, *and* a bunch of important documents I've used for research.

kind of curious about this -- seems like it would mean that the more flagrantly copyright-violating stuff would have to go, sure, but i don't know if that stuff is the same stuff as the stuff that constitutes its value as an archive. in an ideal world it would result in goldsmith spending more time on actual archival and less time tweeting that he's found a file with the complete lacan seminars in e-reader form

(but i'm not entirely sure in what form the thread SOPA entails would manifest -- i was under the impression that copyright owners could order stuff to be taken down already, and i'm not sure what extra weight SOPA adds to this threat)

Oh so what happens if SOPA passes? People will continue to nick stuff off the internet. If that fails, they'll carve new grooves into the internet and share through those. If that fails, they'll set up local gatherings and swap hard drives. I have soooo much more to say on this btw.

i mean, when Windows XP had that whole "YOUR COPY IS NOT GENUINE" thing that dicked over a bunch of people (regardless of whether or not their copy was legit) it took all of 6 hours before articles went online detailing how to get around it. and Microsoft probably had this technology in development for YEARS.

But I think the one thing that will happen, whether SOPA passes or not, is that a company with a clue about what drives people to consume (e.g. Apple) will devise a way for people to do so that's so easy, clean and affordable that 99% of people will use it rather than scrape the darknet for a decent copy xp

It would give them power that they might not use, but of course that's not the point. They shouldn't have that power in the first place, especially when it's 100% about propping up a industry bloated by a century of physical media and regional distribution.

But I think the one thing that will happen, whether SOPA passes or not, is that a company with a clue about what drives people to consume (e.g. Apple) will devise a way for people to do so that's so easy, clean and affordable that 99% of people will use it rather than scrape the darknet for a decent copy xp

A Sheffield student can be extradited to the US to face copyright infringement allegations, a judge has ruled.

Richard O'Dwyer, 23, set up the TVShack website which US authorities say hosts links to pirated copyrighted films and television programmes.

The Sheffield Hallam University student lost his case in a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

If found guilty in a US court he could face up to five years in jail.

Mr O'Dwyer's lawyer, Ben Cooper, indicated during the hearing that he would appeal against the ruling.

Mr Cooper said the website did not store copyright material itself and merely directed users to other sites, making it similar to Google.

He also argued that his client, who would be the first British citizen to be extradited for such an offence, was being used as a "guinea pig" for copyright law in the US.

But District Judge Quentin Purdy ruled the extradition could go ahead.

Mr O'Dwyer's mother, Julia O'Dwyer, from Chesterfield, has described the moves by US authorities as "beyond belief" and described Britain's extradition treaty with the United States as "rotten".

Speaking before the hearing, Mr O'Dwyer said he was "surprised" when police officers from the UK and America seized equipment at his home in South Yorkshire in November 2010.

However, no criminal charges followed from the UK authorities.

The case was brought by the US Customs and Border Protection agency, which claims that the TVShack.net website earned "over $230,000 in advertising revenue" before US authorities obtained a warrant and seized the domain name.

Ubuweb have been tweeting about how they'll surely go down if it passes. Which might not sound like much, but it's a large proportion of my cultural life down the drain, *and* a bunch of important documents I've used for research.

kind of curious about this -- seems like it would mean that the more flagrantly copyright-violating stuff would have to go, sure, but i don't know if that stuff is the same stuff as the stuff that constitutes its value as an archive. in an ideal world it would result in goldsmith spending more time on actual archival and less time tweeting that he's found a file with the complete lacan seminars in e-reader form

(but i'm not entirely sure in what form the thread SOPA entails would manifest -- i was under the impression that copyright owners could order stuff to be taken down already, and i'm not sure what extra weight SOPA adds to this threat)

― thomp, Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

right now under DMCA, copyright holders can ask for individual infringing things to be removed

under SOPA the way I understand it if there is one infringing file on a large site the entire website could get taken down w/o notice and replaced by

eh, if this has any type of noticeable transformative effect (a massive "if"), it is going to do is make people switch from open free-for-all p2p filesharing to closed, private friends-only shared file repositories

true. i think it's kind of a shame that there seems to be this pushback of "ahhhh it PROBABLY won't make a difrerence, let's not even bother getting angry about this or figuring out if there's any way to stop it," though.

there is a missing "all" in my post but I think my point is still clear enough

I'm not getting angry about this because I don't think it is manifestly wrong? I mean, I am not holding delusions about artists magically making more money out of a more tightly-controlled Internet or anything, but on balance I've never read or seen anything to make me question the idea that unsanctioned free filesharing isn't stealing, and as a result I'm not super bothered when governments try to stick enforceable penalties on it.

Having said that, attempting to push the entire industry back to what it was in the 80s is regressive and not going to happen, but not because of any major uproar; it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless and any market based solely upon it is pretty much doomed for the next 30 years regardless of what shape it takes.

It other words reacting to this with a shrug of the shoulders because "kids will find another way to share music and movies", is a really reductive read of what SOPA is all about and conveniently ignores a lot of the more frightening aspects of the proposed bill.

yeah, i'm not worried that people won't be able to as easily steal or illegally share music/intellectual property anymore, or that some of the people who've been knowingly breaking the law all along might actually face consequences in greater numbers, i'm worried about all the much more undesirable scenarios outlined upthread that could be made possible by this piece of legislation noone in their right mind thinks the world NEEDS.

like basically this is saying "clicking on a link someone sent you from Youtube can send you to jail" and I don't see how it can be enforceable on any large scale

Oh of course this insn't enforceable on any massive level, but imho the frightening part is that it might lead to user-generated sites just shutting down rather than having to deal with all sorts of liability issues.

Yeah most people who are getting angry are doing so because it leaves a *lot* of sites that have nothing to do with filesharing potentially open to being closed down because of the bill being complete overkill. ILX, for example, could easily have one person post one filesharing link one time and get shut down, as I understand it.

Booz & Company on November 16 released a study, funded by Google, finding that almost all of the 200 venture capitalists and angel investors interviewed would stop funding digital media intermediaries if the House bill becomes law.

^^^ this is why this will not happen or be enforced if it does happen

and if it does all happen and ILX gets yanked, you can all stare at the blocked message and say "fuck you DJP, you were so wrong *shakes fist*"

In a move the technology sector will surely see as a victory, a controversial antipiracy bill being debated in Congress will no longer include a provision that would require ISPs to block access to overseas Web sites accused of piracy.Rep. Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), one of the biggest backers of the Stop Online Piracy Act, today said he plans to remove the Domain Name System or DNS-blocking provision."After consultation with industry groups across the country," Smith said in a statement released by his office, "I feel we should remove DNS-blocking from the Stop Online Piracy Act so that the [U.S. House Judiciary] Committee can further examine the issues surrounding this provision."We will continue to look for ways," Smith continued, "to ensure that foreign Web sites cannot sell and distribute illegal content to U.S. consumers."A watered down SOPA means Smith improves his chances of getting the bill through Congress. Smith's move comes a day after a backers of a similar bill in the Senate, known as the Protect IP Act, began to backtrack on the issue of DNS.Without the DNS provision, SOPA now looks a great deal more like the OPEN Act, a bill introduced by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), which was created to be an alternative bill to SOPA.

I'm not getting angry about this because I don't think it is manifestly wrong? I mean, I am not holding delusions about artists magically making more money out of a more tightly-controlled Internet or anything, but on balance I've never read or seen anything to make me question the idea that unsanctioned free filesharing isn't stealing, and as a result I'm not super bothered when governments try to stick enforceable penalties on it.

Having said that, attempting to push the entire industry back to what it was in the 80s is regressive and not going to happen, but not because of any major uproar; it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless and any market based solely upon it is pretty much doomed for the next 30 years regardless of what shape it takes.

I dunno, as a musician in a pitifully unknown band, I really welcome file-sharing. Anything that gets people to hear what we've done is cool by me. Yeah, I definitely hope that this will result in them either coming to a gig or actually buying the record, but I'm under no illusion that those will be the actual results. I still don't feel like I'm being stolen from, though.

I was fairly shocked when I read the 'for' and 'against' SOPA columns. For: Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Franken, etc. etc. etc. -- Against: Bachmann, Paul, Issa, etc -- tea party central. Not mainstream republicans like Boehner but all the radical right who are ready to drum up self-righteous anger at the drop of a hat. So the article you posted actually seems to have it right: MPAA assumed Republican support and spent all their time courting / buying off the Democrats, and by the time they started publically reprimanding Democrats for not staying bought off, it had actually become a full on political win for the right

this is kind of fascinating. i'm imagining a future republican party that's dominated by "real conservative" values of the sort that nonreligious conservatives love to tout: personal freedom, free enterprise, free internets, darwinian competition in all things, no handouts. opposed to this is a democratic party that advocates limited freedoms and federal oversight/assistance in the name of social justice and "decency", and which counts on the altruistic sympathies of religious leaders.

this is kind of fascinating. i'm imagining a future republican party that's dominated by "real conservative" values of the sort that nonreligious conservatives love to tout: personal freedom, free enterprise, free internets, darwinian competition in all things, no handouts. opposed to this is a democratic party that advocates limited freedoms and federal oversight/assistance in the name of social justice and "decency", and which counts on the altruistic sympathies of religious leaders.

― Little GTFO (contenderizer),

I believe that is the correct prediction for how the Third American Party System is going to be, just a matter of time for it to all play out. IMO we are in the death throes of the Second Party System.

i.e. the two main parties will basically be Libertarian-lite and Christian Democrat.

Were it so? In the Anglo-American two party system we still adhere to, the two poles must contain multitudes. The multitudes are shifting generationally but should I live another forty years I would love to see the attritional demise of the 'conservative' wing of the Right (they will be outnumbered ethnically for one thing) but I don't even pray that there will be a Christian Democrat party of any interest. The libertarians and Xtiansists have tried to square the circle w/the Gospel and Mammonism for long enough but it cannot last.

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