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I remember a long time ago someone telling me that our signs should be different because of the shift, but I didn't want to believe them because I wasn't into astrology. Rams are pretty cute. But fish? UUUGH.

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There's no science behind astrology anyway and this is further proof. Maybe this will open the minds of the gullible?

Doubt it.

It's not about believing.. i personally never read horoscopes and i don't feel like my life is ruled by planets. I think we all just like to say we're "this sign". I was RAM!! a RAMM!!!! damn now im a guy with a bow..=/

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This really annoys me. whoever came up with the "13th sign" nonsense has absolutely no understanding of Astrology whatsoever.

If they did they'd realise there are 360 signs. The 12 we refer to are simply arbitrary divisions of these 360 signs that over 2000 years or more have proven to be practical applications and hence are accepted in Western astrology as official.

here's a little bit of general philosophy on the way Astrology works.

1. Every sign is a reaction to the intensities of the sign preceding it.

In other words, every experience leads to the next experience in life. This is cyclical. So you go through many patterns of "growth" psychologically, constantly completing and beginning new phases of life, evolving as you repsond to experience, gaining mastery over experiences, moving onto their next expression.

this happens incremnetally. So between part 1 & part 2, you wouldn't notice a lot of difference. consider a giant circle, say, a km in diameter. you are on the edge of the circle, walking around its circumference. You divide the massive circle into 360 little divisions and walk from division one to division two. It seems as though you are walking in a straight line. But your not. Your walking a curved line.

If you walked ahead another 30 division, stop and turn around, then draw a straight line back to where you started from, you would very clearly see you have walked in a curve.

This is the concept of the "sign". A sign is merely an arbitrary division of 30 deg that serves as a shorthand generalization of commonalities between all 30 individual experiences that make up one sign.

2. historical and cultural precedence

You can start your division anywhere on that circle and make signs of any division you like, 10, 12, anything that divides into that 360 degree circle. In roman times there were in Europe many different kinds of Atsrology. All said the same basic thing. the romans originally worked with very few signs, and the Celts actually had a 13-sign system. in every continent humans have existed in, a system of Astrology was formed, based on divisions of cycles.

So it's completely arbitrary how you do this, what you call the signs and number systems you use.

What is NOT arbitrary is their meaning. For example, Greek Centaur, the Chinese Rat, are both the same kind of person. The South Chinese goat, north chinese sheep, the crab, both what we in english call Cancer.

the fact of the matter is that despite its reputation, and exploitation, and despite the crowd it attracts of the gullible and the weird, ACTUAL astrology DOES work.

there is a lot information to clearly suggest a correlation between cycles of time and predictable behaviour patterns.

if you think about, if astrology never even existed, we'd still have no problem accepting this concept. It is no less profound when expressed in the mundane. the ebb and flow of the tides, el nino patterns, seasons. It's remarkable to consider the passage of evolution through these cycles to get to where we are today. All the life forms that grow and organise themsleves on the Earth's "wobble" over millenia.

But Atsrology takes this concept to a another level. It has long and vast history that goes well beyond our understanding of society. over thousands upon thousands of generations came to this point of mapping these cycles within the human experience. It came to this point long before we inherited it. It is evoving still.

3. the Signs today

the current form of Astrology we have is about 80-100 years old. That is the system they currently use in the popular media, and the style most people are familiar with. And it's a total scam, complete bogus garbage, and as Sagan put it "fuzzy (at BEST!) thinking."

but If you scratch the surface and get contemporary works on Atsrology by authors like Liz greene and Robert Hand, that style is much younger, and is still being developed, and will continue.

the essential system both use however is the same 12 sign system used by Isac Newton, Elizabeth I and is probably about 1000-1500 years old.

The roots of system go back into roman styles, which go back int greek, which go back into Persian, which go back to the fertile crescent period. Somewhere in this period the same essential germ took root in India and Chin. they developed differently, but achieved the same results.

the Aztec use a very different astrological system. I know little about this, but I do know one version I have encountered had 22 signs, 24 depending on the year. Complex!

the celtic system that is enjoying a revival currently uses tree species as signs, and incorporates a 13th division to express "blue moon" events.

Today however the essential contemporary system is fairly post-modern, but from a technical point of view not entirely ecclectic. the system we use works, and it's good. you can experiment with it, but at it's core it's highly sophisticated and very easy to understand.

4. Why the 13th sign proponents are d********s.

the system we use is simple.

A cicrle(orbit of the sun, turn of the earth, cycles of planets, turn of seasons whatever. now we have computers we can look up an electric ephemeris and have no need to use the stars.!)

Divided into 12.

6 male signs, 6 females signs (Polarity.)

4 Cardinal signs, 4 fixed signs, 4 Mutable signs (Modality)

3 fire, 3 Earth, 3 Air, 3 Water

Every sign has a Polarity, a modality and an elemnetal. Each one is unique, there are no repeats.

Thus:

Aries : Male, Cardinal, Fire

taurus : Female, Fixed, Earth

gemini: M, mutable, Air

Cancer : F, Cardinal, Water

leo : M, Fixed, Fire

Virgo : F, Mutable

Libra :m, Carinal, Air

Scorpio : F, Fixed, Water

Sagitarrius :M , Mutable, Fire

Capricorn :F, Cardinal, Earth

Aquarius :M, Fixed, Air

Pisces :F, Mutable, Water

So, what is the Polarity, modality and element of the 13 sign? What? You don't know? But you came in here crowing on about your 13th sign, I thought you knew about Atsrology????

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This really annoys me. whoever came up with the "13th sign" nonsense has absolutely no understanding of Astrology whatsoever.

If they did they'd realise there are 360 signs. The 12 we refer to are simply arbitrary divisions of these 360 signs that over 2000 years or more have proven to be practical applications and hence are accepted in Western astrology as official.

here's a little bit of general philosophy on the way Astrology works.

1. Every sign is a reaction to the intensities of the sign preceding it.

In other words, every experience leads to the next experience in life. This is cyclical. So you go through many patterns of "growth" psychologically, constantly completing and beginning new phases of life, evolving as you repsond to experience, gaining mastery over experiences, moving onto their next expression.

this happens incremnetally. So between part 1 & part 2, you wouldn't notice a lot of difference. consider a giant circle, say, a km in diameter. you are on the edge of the circle, walking around its circumference. You divide the massive circle into 360 little divisions and walk from division one to division two. It seems as though you are walking in a straight line. But your not. Your walking a curved line.

If you walked ahead another 30 division, stop and turn around, then draw a straight line back to where you started from, you would very clearly see you have walked in a curve.

This is the concept of the "sign". A sign is merely an arbitrary division of 30 deg that serves as a shorthand generalization of commonalities between all 30 individual experiences that make up one sign.

2. historical and cultural precedence

You can start your division anywhere on that circle and make signs of any division you like, 10, 12, anything that divides into that 360 degree circle. In roman times there were in Europe many different kinds of Atsrology. All said the same basic thing. the romans originally worked with very few signs, and the Celts actually had a 13-sign system. in every continent humans have existed in, a system of Astrology was formed, based on divisions of cycles.

So it's completely arbitrary how you do this, what you call the signs and number systems you use.

What is NOT arbitrary is their meaning. For example, Greek Centaur, the Chinese Rat, are both the same kind of person. The South Chinese goat, north chinese sheep, the crab, both what we in english call Cancer.

the fact of the matter is that despite its reputation, and exploitation, and despite the crowd it attracts of the gullible and the weird, ACTUAL astrology DOES work.

there is a lot information to clearly suggest a correlation between cycles of time and predictable behaviour patterns.

if you think about, if astrology never even existed, we'd still have no problem accepting this concept. It is no less profound when expressed in the mundane. the ebb and flow of the tides, el nino patterns, seasons. It's remarkable to consider the passage of evolution through these cycles to get to where we are today. All the life forms that grow and organise themsleves on the Earth's "wobble" over millenia.

But Atsrology takes this concept to a another level. It has long and vast history that goes well beyond our understanding of society. over thousands upon thousands of generations came to this point of mapping these cycles within the human experience. It came to this point long before we inherited it. It is evoving still.

3. the Signs today

the current form of Astrology we have is about 80-100 years old. That is the system they currently use in the popular media, and the style most people are familiar with. And it's a total scam, complete bogus garbage, and as Sagan put it "fuzzy (at BEST!) thinking."

but If you scratch the surface and get contemporary works on Atsrology by authors like Liz greene and Robert Hand, that style is much younger, and is still being developed, and will continue.

the essential system both use however is the same 12 sign system used by Isac Newton, Elizabeth I and is probably about 1000-1500 years old.

The roots of system go back into roman styles, which go back int greek, which go back into Persian, which go back to the fertile crescent period. Somewhere in this period the same essential germ took root in India and Chin. they developed differently, but achieved the same results.

the Aztec use a very different astrological system. I know little about this, but I do know one version I have encountered had 22 signs, 24 depending on the year. Complex!

the celtic system that is enjoying a revival currently uses tree species as signs, and incorporates a 13th division to express "blue moon" events.

Today however the essential contemporary system is fairly post-modern, but from a technical point of view not entirely ecclectic. the system we use works, and it's good. you can experiment with it, but at it's core it's highly sophisticated and very easy to understand.

4. Why the 13th sign proponents are d********s.

the system we use is simple.

A cicrle(orbit of the sun, turn of the earth, cycles of planets, turn of seasons whatever. now we have computers we can look up an electric ephemeris and have no need to use the stars.!)

Divided into 12.

6 male signs, 6 females signs (Polarity.)

4 Cardinal signs, 4 fixed signs, 4 Mutable signs (Modality)

3 fire, 3 Earth, 3 Air, 3 Water

Every sign has a Polarity, a modality and an elemnetal. Each one is unique, there are no repeats.

Thus:

Aries : Male, Cardinal, Fire

taurus : Female, Fixed, Earth

gemini: M, mutable, Air

Cancer : F, Cardinal, Water

leo : M, Fixed, Fire

Virgo : F, Mutable

Libra :m, Carinal, Air

Scorpio : F, Fixed, Water

Sagitarrius :M , Mutable, Fire

Capricorn :F, Cardinal, Earth

Aquarius :M, Fixed, Air

Pisces :F, Mutable, Water

So, what is the Polarity, modality and element of the 13 sign? What? You don't know? But you came in here crowing on about your 13th sign, I thought you knew about Atsrology????