Originally posted by eriktheawful
Here you guys go, thought it would be fun to compare pictures. The left side is Google Earth, the Right side is LROC.

I tired to size up the craters as closely as possible, but it was very hard since Google's pic is no where near as detailed as LROC. Still, it's the
very same area:

Hold it, just a minute! I just replied thanking you for finding the comparison image. After doing so I continued reading replies but, for some
reason something made me come back and inspect your LROC image and, son of a gun, take a look at my screen shot of your images and see what my arrow
points to! It is pointing to a straight, long "structure" that is in the same location as the left-side (or top) part of the >!

This changes things! The > shape was blamed on this or that but now that we have a high res image there is something there that corresponds to the
upper half of the >!

Originally posted by PINGi14
Below is the crater in question cropped straight from only high-res uncompressed image of the crater available from LROC. Dimension was not changed
meaning you can calculate the size of crater to be around 150m in diameter (~180pixels wide x 0.83m/pixel according to image data). Nothing was edited
except slight histogram shift for better contrast/light balance.

Depending on your imagination, you may see nothing, or you may see a buzz of activity in and around the crater. It only highlights the current issue
with even the best lunar surface data available to public. It's hard to prove anything as artificial at these resolutions and without color. Of
course, NASA could always one day release an image containing something really big that looked very artificial and sitting in the open. Assuming such
thing existed and NASA had the image of it, which I doubt.

original version
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rotated 180degree version (sometimes it gives different perspective for fresh look)

edit on 5-3-2012 by PINGi14 because: (no reason given)

Using your rotated image I've added a black arrow to point to the "long, narrow" area that corresponds to the upper half of the > shape. Look at
my original image and what my arrow is point to and there's a correlation. It's a long shot but I wonder if there's a matching "long, narrow"
area in the darkened (shadow) area of the crater!

My original reply is below from a few moments ago. But I persisted and was able to go to the website from a Google link so that I was successful in
locking in to the crater. Whew! I love learning and this was a good experience for me. Thanks.

Thanks, but here is what I get for that link (photo below).

I can go to the LROC website although once there, as a 100% novice, I'm lost!

The Chinese map is made with images from Chang'e 2, the orbiter launched in October 2010 and currently stationed at the Sun-Earth L2 Lagrange point.
It spent eight months mapping the Moon, collecting images for this global map and higher resolution views of potential landing areas for the first
Chinese lunar lander, especially in Sinus Iridum. The highest resolution images are not incorporated into this 50-meter-resolution map yet, but
perhaps that will happen later

The Chinese map looks different. It lacks the detail of the narrow-angle LROC images, but it shows more than the wide-angle LROC. Compare the two
carefully - the Sun is at a higher angle in the Chinese image, so shadows are missing and topography is harder to interpret, and the range of grey
shades is more limited, suggesting the original images had a lower bit depth. But resolution is
clearly higher, about TWICE AS HIGH as in the NASA map.

Liu Dongkui, deputy chief commander of China's lunar probe project, reportedly said the Chang'e 2 lunar map is the highest-resolution view of the moon
ever recorded, according to a Xinhua news agency report.

While other spacecraft, such as NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, have taken better photos of certain portions of the moon, the Chang'e 2 map is
the most detailed view of the entire lunar surface, he added.

If there was anything interesting the Chinese found in their high-res data, you can bet the
Chinese will be 10x worse than NASA in censoring and limiting what data gets released to the public.

Are you sure the Chinese will be 10x worse than NASA? And what if China improve their high resolution technology in the near future?

If you click on that link, it will take you to their home page. There will be a menu at the top of their page. Put your mouse on "Images" and a drop
box will appear. At the bottom of that box will be "QuickMap". Click on that and it will take you to the quick maps section that I linked too. Make
sure you have Javascripts enabled or else the site will not display correctly. I use Google Chrome. But I just tested it with Firefox and it worked
fine also.

Your image with the arrow: yes I did find that interesting. What is it? Well it looks like a natural rock formation to me that is 40 to 50 meters
long. However, it might explain why in the Google picture we see those dots. It might have been the old image trying to display things that sunlight
is highlighting, because they are raised in elevation.

But that's just a guess from me. Without pictures from different angles, I can't say.

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Originally posted by XtraTL
As far as I can tell, the OP did not do a single one of the following:

1) Compare the image with original source material.

2) Understand the technology used to produce the images you are looking at, including digital compression.

3) Provide details of the size of the object.

4) Do analysis, such as constructing a 3D model.

5) Obtain data from an alternative source.

6) Hesitate to jump to conclusions.

The OP asked for people's opinions on what he had found. He did not put forth a doctorate thesis, nor is he required to.

1) Would be a good idea.
2) Would also be a good idea, but sometimes the way you learn this, is by posting here and asking in the first place.

3) Size details were there in the form of the pictures themselves: there was a scale listed. You do have eyes, don't you?
4) As a 3D modeler myself, having years of experience with 3DS Max and Blender, I can tell you now that there is not enough data in the pictures to
extrapolate a 3D model without doing a LOT of guessing and assuming (something that you are putting down with your post). Hard to do an analysis of
something that you don't know what it is, and the whole reason for posting was to ask other people what they think it might be.
5) That also is a good idea, and was done by many other posters on here. Again, this is a forum, not a college classroom. People come to ask
questions. Not everything posted needs to read as a doctorate.
6) That's your subjective opinion: sometimes things discovered happen because someone had a "hunch" or a leap of faith. While assuming things is not
always a good thing to do, I think this forum can do without any form of "Mind Police" thank you very much.

The biggest problems on ATS are inability to distinguish conjecture from evidence, to discern reliable sources of information from unreliable sources
and a lack of understanding about science.

edit on 6-3-2012 by XtraTL because: Added checklist

The OP most definitely did NOT jump to conclusions, unlike many posters within this thread (which I find to be refreshing on this forum), nor did he
claim expertise in any particular field. He offered the topic up for discussion without bias and accepted input from all sides. Your post is not only
inaccurate, but condescending.

Originally posted by PINGi14
Below is the crater in question cropped straight from only high-res uncompressed image of the crater available from LROC. Dimension was not changed
meaning you can calculate the size of crater to be around 150m in diameter (~180pixels wide x 0.83m/pixel according to image data). Nothing was edited
except slight histogram shift for better contrast/light balance.

Depending on your imagination, you may see nothing, or you may see a buzz of activity in and around the crater. It only highlights the current issue
with even the best lunar surface data available to public. It's hard to prove anything as artificial at these resolutions and without color. Of
course, NASA could always one day release an image containing something really big that looked very artificial and sitting in the open. Assuming such
thing existed and NASA had the image of it, which I doubt.

original version
snip

rotated 180degree version (sometimes it gives different perspective for fresh look)

edit on 5-3-2012 by PINGi14 because: (no reason given)

Using your rotated image I've added a black arrow to point to the "long, narrow" area that corresponds to the upper half of the > shape. Look at
my original image and what my arrow is point to and there's a correlation. It's a long shot but I wonder if there's a matching "long, narrow"
area in the darkened (shadow) area of the crater!

REALLY GOOD FIND!!!!

Now I wonder....were there "aliens" on the moon when they landed as some say? We will never know...we can only speculate.

This is really cool OP....

If there was something we could see on the moon (or somewhere else in space) in real time, would they (tptb) "allow" us to see it? I think not.

Hats off to boncho, shrike and others. 2 big thumbs up for them.Their work on this thread is well done and much appreciated. Negates my need to post
images I came up with earlier last night while tearing this image down for analysis. This whole thread underscores nicely the fact that we do have
some good resources to which we can refer when an image shows up that strikes us as odd.It may take a bit of time, but when a bunch of us pool our
energy we can get to the bottom of things fairly quickly. This is one of the things about ATS that makes it a good forum to be part of. If anyone
has an interest in the few images I came up with, message me and I'll be happy to send them to you for your scrutiny.

Originally posted by MamaJ
Now I wonder....were there "aliens" on the moon when they landed as some say? We will never know...we can only speculate.

Lunar surface 1969, Neil Armstrong >>God, what is that out there?... What the h... is that???... But
this is unbelievable!...Whats there?>Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11...>These
"Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side
of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!>What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?>It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.>How do
you mean "warned off"?>I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they
big! and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.>But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?>Naturally - NASA was committed at that
time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop
and back again.>Hey, this is ours!

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