Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it's own. (The Republic of Texas.)

Now, someone help me out here: Is that a fact? If so, I'm calling on all Texas FReepers to join me in laying the groundwork to make it happen if Barack Obama is reelected. What do we need to do to start a Secession Movement, and where do we begin? If you're not a Texan, you don't understand the Texas mind-set. If BHO is reelected, I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession. Even Governor Perry has talked about Texas seceding. LET'S FRIGGIN' DO IT!!!

I thought I read somewhere that Texas gave up that right after the Civil War, but I could be wrong. It doesn’t matter anyway if they have the right or not, the Feds would still consider it an act of sedition as they would with any state. Texas is a “payer state”, not a “taker state”. The Feds could not afford to lose her. Texas could easily function completely on her own borders with no outside assistance from anyone. However, IF the big oil & gas states such as Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma etc. banded together on something like this....well, pop the popcorn because it would sure get interesting quick.

If the federal government isn’t abiding by the contract by which the states entered the union, ie forcing their residents to buy something and henceforth fining them if they don’t buy said thing, do you really think Texas should abide by their contract to the FEDgov?

If Texas does, I’d ride a bike from NYC to Texas. I want to get the heck out of here anyway, away from Daddy Bloomberg and his Socialist utopia.

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posted on 07/07/2012 11:04:08 AM PDT
by wastedyears
("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")

Texas has no interest in seceding. Even Perry has said he was joking when he said something about seceding. It made him look foolish...not that he needs much help doing that. Not gonna happen. That’s a clown suggestion, bro.

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posted on 07/07/2012 11:06:51 AM PDT
by DallasSun
(Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)

"All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper." --Texas state constitution.

I don't suppose for an instant that this would be honored by the federal government though. It wasn't last time, after all. If Texas tried it, even by popular vote, they'd get wiped slick by the federal government.

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posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT
by Celtic Cross
(The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)

Those that do not know their history perpetuate this myth. It is just another Texas myth. Texas entered the Union with the right to divide itself into several smaller states if it so chose. We never did so because we were more powerful electorally as a whole. Yes, Texas was a Republic. So was California for a very short time. Sam Houston's priority as our first president was to convince the United States to allow us into the Union. We were a failure as a Republic and in constant danger of being reclaimed by Mexico. Hitler even attempted to induce Mexico to attack us with promises of returning Texas to Mexico after he won the war.

In addition, Texas lost ALL of its original agreements with the United States when it seceeded and joined the Confederacy. It rejoined the Union, beaten and compromised, and under the same sorry rules as the rest of the former Confederate states. Texas has as much "legal right" to leave the Union today as Louisiana or South Carolina.

That said, if Texans really want to leave the union, it can most likely leave the Union. Every Democrat in America would appreciate us taking our powerful electoral votes (the votes that now anchor the Republican party to some form of power) and leaving. That would ensure that the rest of the United States had a Democrat in the White House for evermore.

Alaska has always been another one I’ve always wondered why they hang on. They are 100% self sufficient with access to the ocean and abundant natural resources. Much of their state is federal land, prohibiting them from using their own land.

I just wonder if such scenarios could lead to another ‘war between states’ if the president should attempt to FORCE them to stay as Lincoln did. Very interesting topic, because if things continue to deteriorate, I don’t believe it’s unrealistic.

Just be careful of many secession movements out there like the Republic of Texas movement. Most are scams to sell fake land grants or bogus currency. Any real movement would need to be sure to disassociate with these type of groups.

Actually, all states can legally secede, regardless of what some say. If you join an organization, in this case a Union, you can un join it. The war between the states should never have happened and wouldn't have if "Honest Abe" had lived up to the letter of the law and left the south alone. He pushed until the South fired on a Fort that was in Southern territory, the troops were left there in order for that to happen. Abe wanted the war so he could force the south back into the Union.

We would all be better off if the South had won or if the war had never occurred at all, especially if the war hadn't happened at all, we would still have states rights and slavery would still have gone away except it wouldn't have cost 500 million lives, mostly white lives by the way, in order to happen.

I hope Texas secedes and any other state that feels the same way goes with them.

The Feds have you and me and everyone else enslaved. Will Texans really vote to withdraw from Social Security, Medicare and pay back their share of the national debt?

If you read the history of the American Revolution you will realize that the kind of geographical and political situation which existed in 1760-1776 was wholly different than what it is today. I really don’t think anyone in power is going to seriously consider secession.

Civil Disobedience of Federal Edicts and firm assertion of States Rights is likely to do more to achieve liberty than talk of secession.

States need to take the position that “Congress passed this law, let them try to enforce it.” The Federal Government relies on the States to enforce nearly all their regulatory laws. Even Social Security and Medicare are administered by the states.

Arizona is on the cutting edge of potential Civil Disobedience and Sheriff Arpaio should be considered the George Washington or the Samuel Adams of the peaceful revolution.

Perry “took it back” to keep from upsetting all the Uhaul noobTexans. We know he thinks about “it” just like real Texan’s do.

Secession isn’t a good public subject because of the the personal “followers” one would collect. By no means does that mean its not often thought about.

Secession is not something that we would “ask” the Feds if we can do. It will not come as a line in the sand declartation rather by continuing to push our 10th Amendment Rights, having to protect our own International border and refusing to take edicts from the likes of the EPA or nobamacare and the Feds being stupid enough to keep pushing.

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posted on 07/07/2012 11:28:51 AM PDT
by X-spurt
(It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)

In the past six months, I’ve seen more “Secede” bumper stickers here in Texas than Obama or Romney stickers.

It’s always been a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposition, but after the past few months of Obama’s lawlessness on illegal aliens, the faggotization of the military, and the recent Obamacare ruling turning citizens into serfs of the government... in which America is obviously in total and accelerating decay, well, I’m starting to look at secession as a very, very valid option.

Just fyi, Oklahoma and Louisiana are taker states to use your lingo. There are only 11 payer states (states that bleed more money to the fed than they receive) and 39 taker states. I’ve made jaws drop when I’ve pointed out that Wyoming, percentage wise, is the biggest taker state in the union, receiving far more in federal money than is taken from the state. California might be nearly bankrupt internally, but it’s the biggest payer state, giving far more to the fed than it ever sees back.

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