originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: EternalShadow
If it really were to oppose a tyrannical government, what chance do you think the public has against a trained army?
I believe that people use that wording as an excuse. If they started going door to door collecting weapons, who is going to say no when they have a
group of soldiers in front of them and their family behind them?

The Rambo mentality will not last in the face of reality. The fact is they are trained, they have better weapons and they follow orders.

My God, you sound just like the opposition to breaking away from King George.

It is getting worse and worse in the US and everyone seems to want more and more guns.

Do you have proof to this? The FBI stats suggest violent crime including gun crime have been decreasing for decades. It is now at one of it lowest
point in decades even as gun in circulation is at the most ever.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: EternalShadow
If it really were to oppose a tyrannical government, what chance do you think the public has against a trained army?
I believe that people use that wording as an excuse. If they started going door to door collecting weapons, who is going to say no when they have a
group of soldiers in front of them and their family behind them?

The Rambo mentality will not last in the face of reality. The fact is they are trained, they have better weapons and they follow orders.

My God, you sound just like the opposition to breaking away from King George.

History really does repeat itself. Wow.

When are people going to address the post instead of the poster? My God, that is a major reason I don't participate in many of these threads.
You do know what weapons they had in the revolutionary war, right? And that we are living now, not then?

Something needs to change, but no one wants change. It is getting worse and worse in the US and everyone seems to want more and more guns.

I've lived in the US since 1974 and conditions have been steadily worsening for a variety of reasons. The war on drugs, the death of the middle
class, the widening wealth gap, the hollowing out of the core of the US economy, Free trade and the destruction of the industrial jobs base. It all
just gets worse and it all contributes to an ever larger pool of desperate poor who've got nothing left to do except profit from the drug trade, steal
cars, do home invasions and kill people and take their stuff and otherwise perpetrate random acts of violence.

And with the US Open borders policy which is supported by both mainstream political parties, it can and will only get worse. Nothing ever gets better
here, it only worsens. The crime that had been contained in the inner cities has spread out to the suburbs and beyond with car jackings and drive by
shootings and road rage incidents where a clueless nurse going home from hospital shift is shot and killed for unknowingly cutting off a gang
banger.

It just seems that the more guns you have, the better and bigger guns you have, the more people will be dying by guns...

If you dig down into the statistics and past the Liberal establishment lies, as concealed carry laws and increased citizen gun ownership has
progressed, violent crime had decreased through 2014. An armed society is a polite society. Going forward however, for the average citizen to stay
safe, they're going to find themselves having to use those firearms because as societal conditions worsen, we're seeing an uptick in violent crime and
going forward, its only going to get worse. The country is too huge and spread out for the police to be of any use; anymore, they're more like a
clean up crew that gets to the scene long after the shooting's over with.

No one wants to have to live like this; God knows I wish I could live in a civilized country with a civilized society, but being trapped in the
US............that's just never going to happen. So it'll be a cold day in hell when I and my family agree to disarm.

The fact is they are trained, they have better weapons and they follow orders.

Yes.... the US military beat the poorly trained Viet Cong... right?
The Soviets beat the poorly trained Afghans... right?
and that was in countries where the well trained and armed soldiers had an enemy that did not consist of their own friends and relatives.

originally posted by: uncommitted
...but the amendment grants the rights to a citizen, i.e., what they can do.

Incorrect. The Constitution presupposes that we already have these unalienable rights. It places a strict limit on what the government can do to
curtail those rights.

The fact that the majority of amendments happened long after the deaths of the authors of the constitution kind of invalidates any total
confirmation that they would have seen each amendment as being true to the spirit of what they originally wrote - that's the job of very well paid
people who argue that is the case.

If that were the case they would not have incorporated the mechanism to alter the Constitution.

No, At the time the original 2nd amendment was authored, bearing concealed arms would have been highly impractical (ever hear a mention of 'is that a
musket in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?' from around that era?) and would have been more dangerous to the bearer than any potential threat
to a free state. So why would they have presupposed otherwise?

Secondly, the right has been legally challenged and won on several cases and therefore is not inalienable -

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