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Tanking is a bad word, but this is not a playoff team and every win will just put us in a worse position to get better talent in next years draft.

We will get more wins this year, also in the division, but even with a 4-3 heading into the bye, that math for the next 9 games makes it difficult to find 5 wins and only 4 losses._________________Ravens 2017 feat. Flaccid Flaccos speedsters and Dean Peas softies

Idk about all that, but yeah Joe just doesn't look like Joe Cool these days. However the injuries certainly don't help.

Doesn't matter. Joe has had guys open and time to throw in certain spots every game this year and he misses. Badly. The Ravens aren't going anywhere in a season with this kind of performance from him regardless of the injuries everywhere else on the team.

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 4m4 minutes ago
Yet another week where Ravens turn down an easy FG early and then need a TD at the end instead of a FG to tie or win

Just keep being aggressive John.

His rope has to be getting shorter too. Bad decisions and awful discipline with the amount of penalties every week. This season is troubling.

I am all for being aggressive, but I agree the tendency seems really bad now with the game we lose.

On the other hand. It really annoys me we play "aggressive" football on 4 and 1 and then play scared and don't let returners return, but just fair catch it or kneel in the end zone._________________Ravens 2017 feat. Flaccid Flaccos speedsters and Dean Peas softies

On the other hand. It really annoys me we play "aggressive" football on 4 and 1 and then play scared and don't let returners return, but just fair catch it or kneel in the end zone.

They don't really have anybody besides Hester on the active rosters that can actually return kicks though. I don't disagree with the decision to not let Moore get the team in trouble. You could see on the one kick he actually returned, the last one with the penalty yards pushing the Giants back, that he doesn't really have much to work with in that regard. Not a knock on him at all because not everybody can return. More on the front office in not having anybody else on the roster that can return kicks. And the guy they do have is the ghost of Devin Hester, so...

Webb was classic Webb on punt returns. Didn't expect anything different. But again, it's not like the Ravens have anybody else on the team that can do anything back there.

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 4m4 minutes ago
Yet another week where Ravens turn down an easy FG early and then need a TD at the end instead of a FG to tie or win

Just keep being aggressive John.

His rope has to be getting shorter too. Bad decisions and awful discipline with the amount of penalties every week. This season is troubling.

I have no problem with going for it on 4th and Goal from the 1. On the balance of things, its almost always the correct call to make.

The fact that we committed 15 penalties, couldn't sustain drives very often, kept throwing short of the sticks on 3rd down, had Flacco checking down so often, Flacco missed wide open receivers multiple times and had no pass rush because we don't scheme to create it are all far bigger problems than that single play call

I have no problem with going for it on 4th and Goal from the 1. On the balance of things, its almost always the correct call to make.

The fact that we committed 15 penalties, couldn't sustain drives very often, kept throwing short of the sticks on 3rd down, had Flacco checking down so often, Flacco missed wide open receivers multiple times and had no pass rush because we don't scheme to create it are all far bigger problems than that single play call

A single playcall changes the course of an entire game every week. In multiple games. The few decisions Harbaugh actually has to make in that regard aren't working out. Obviously the execution is the fault of the specific unit on the field and there are multiple issues, but they're still not succeeding. It's just bad all around.

For what it's worth I thought going for it was the right call too. But the decision to toss was terrible by Mornhinweg. Those plays and stretches haven't worked for the Ravens all year even with a healthy offensive line. Baltimore was stopped on two West runs up the middle and a Flacco sneak in the same drive, but going behind Lewis and Urschel should still have been the play. They've been a decent run-blocking combo the past two weeks. Going outside of them, with West of all people, is just dumb. Marty's play calling outside of incorporating some crossing routes wasn't any better than Trestman's was.

Yeah, I've got no problems with going for it on 4th and 1 from the 1 yard line. That's an acceptable risk. But the play that was called on 4th and 1? Seriously?

I'm starting to think that the Ravens just need a completely fresh start. Harbs has hired too many mediocre coaches and stuck with them for too long. That results in the the mental errors and bad technique that we're seeing from this team.

Sure, the O-line was missing players, but that's no excuse for 100 penalty yards. WRs continue to drop passes, and it's plagued the Ravens for years. CBs get burned on coverage, give up ridiculous cushions in short yardage situations. Pass rushers just don't have the speed or technique to get to the QB consistently.

The Ravens have relied on playmakers in key positions for too long, and now those guys are gone or old, the team as a whole just looks painfully average._________________

To be fair to Marty Morronweak, he only had a week to incorporate changes to the offense and he did call more plays downfield, which both awarded us 2-3 long completions and 2 (albeit questionable) pass interference calls.

We also ran more, but any rythm on offense wasn't there besides 1 drive.

Again, we will most likely get at least 7 wins this year. We might see an 8-7 season before the final game that will decide if we get to the playoff or get to sit outside and looking in when it gets really fun.

Btw. I see some completions to receivers and tight ends once I turn on redzone, that our receivers and tight ends doesn't make._________________Ravens 2017 feat. Flaccid Flaccos speedsters and Dean Peas softies