Kommentar von athika

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Kommentar von AdjutantVox

I've just found one of these in a big red Gleaming Treasure Chest on the Timeless Isle, in the alcove to the west of Ordos' place. No idea what it's for.

Kommentar von Taliwyr

This item upgrades the 496 items found on the Timeless Isle to 535 quality.

Kommentar von rivlel

I was unable to use this to alter an iLevel 496 item that I had already "opened", but I was able to use it on an "unopened" generic mail chest. Once I had done so, the generic-mail-chest-piece changed into a soulbound iLevel 535 Crimsonscale Vest, labeled timeless as Taliwyr indicated (much like heroic gear gets the "heroic" label in green).

Kommentar von Voxxel

This is the upgrader item of Patch 5.4 "catch-up" gear that upgrades armor pieces from ilvl 496 to 535. The Burden is a bind-on-pickup item and with the latest hotfix it's no longer able to be traded between players that killed the same mob.

Clarification about upgrading process:As you right click on your Burden and select a timeless armor to upgrade (by left-clicking on it), the armor will automatically be replaced with an ilvl 535 item of the same slot, with class-tied main stats (Strength, Intellect, etc) and randomly given secondary stat-combination for your current loot specialization instead of active specialization that causes confusions for many players. Since the Burden is BoP the outcome lvl535 item will be BoP aswell obviously. Available stat-combinations differ by classes and specs. You can find the list of combinations below the tooltip of the created timeless armor items so you can see what stats you can have on them before rolling a burden upgrade.

Sources we know of so far:

100%: Loot from Lodernde Truhe (There are few reports that the chest sometimes does not drop Burden, updated info below.)

Update: I just received a confirmation from a Game Master that Burden of Eternity should be a guaranteed drop from the Blazing Chest, so if anyone did not receive it from the chest feel free to send in a ticket so they will check further into the issue.

Kommentar von Bufflor

My main concern with this item is that you can only upgrade the unbound tokens; items you have no idea will be valueable or not. I know the tokens will give you an item useable for your class spec, but the stats is still random. For my arms warrior i got a chest with only mastery (and a blue socket with +int bonus, wich i assume will be fixed later on). If i had wasted a Burden of Eternity on that token on live, i would have been furious.

My suggestion is to have these items upgrade pieces of gear already acquired from tokens.

Kommentar von olzenkhaw

Kommentar von Mokal

is the item still BoA after this item is used ?

Kommentar von Peperz276

These do drop off of monsters on the Isle, just received one off of Huolon.. Wasn't the mount though >.<

Kommentar von canthunt

By rivlel"I was unable to use this to alter an iLevel 496 item that I had already "opened", but I was able to use it on an "unopened" generic mail chest. Once I had done so, the generic-mail-chest-piece changed into a soulbound iLevel 535 Crimsonscale Vest, labeled timeless as Taliwyr indicated (much like heroic gear gets the "heroic" label in green)."

i just did and it worked

Kommentar von anhsieh

Doesn't work on Timeless Armor Caches. You'll have to do it on the bracers, cloaks, etc. instead.

Kommentar von valaraukarsbane

In terms of getting these for coins, in the long term Kakuru caches are much better than Ai's 50k price tag. According to reports here, the drop rate from caches is better than 5%. Even at 5%, that means 20 keys (on average) to get a burden. 20 keys is 10k tokens instead of 50k.However it gets better - you get maybe half your coins back from the caches on average. So you are likely to end up getting one of these for (on average) 5k coins even assuming only a 5% drop rate from caches.And best of all, there's no limit to how many you can get per week, to my knowledge, so you can keep on farming coins and buying cache keys as much as you like!

Kommentar von monkeysurprise

Items disenchant into sha crystals only.

Kommentar von Sandkorn

What happens if I use this on an item thats already 535? it's doable but I don't want to do it incase nothing happens.

Kommentar von elgrian

Actually, there needs to be an added note, that this item can also be found from the treasure chests, that you buy the keys from the monkey guy in the cave on timeless isle.That is where I received mine.

Kommentar von Gholgolroth

I looted 1 from a blazing chest. so you dont have to waste all your coing on the monkey

Kommentar von Tarudizer

I was sad to find out that the character you have this item with can ONLY use it on items THEY themselves can use (which makes the token into a soulbound 535 piece of your current specialization). I was hoping to use it on a leather piece and send it to my rogue from my mage, but alas. Atleast I can farm it!

Kommentar von JodiLane

What you do with these is, you right click to use the Burden of Eternity then your cursor will highlight just as if you were enchanting an item and then you click the timeless armor piece that you want to turn into a 535 item. It becomes soulbound when you use the Burden on it. ;o) Sorry if this seems like common sense I just wanted to clarify because I was afraid people might accidentally waste their Burdens when they're in an alt's bags or something. ;o)

Kommentar von smackthekids

If you're scared to use Last der Ewigkeit due to its rarity and because you have no idea what to expect from the Random iLvl 535 Gear, here's a breakdown of what you will get:

‹°›IMPORTANT: Use the formula below to calculate the exact amount of possible Primary + Secondary Stats for each piece of gear.The above link in Voxxel's post from WowDB does not include all possible random enchants on some pieces of gear, so please do not assume your piece of gear's stats will match what's shown on WowDB, or you may be very upset that you wasted a Last der Ewigkeit!

‹°›Primary Stat will always be one that is beneficial to your current Loot Specialization;Example: Strength for all Warriors, Agility for all Rogues, but Intellect or Strength for Paladins based on their loot spec. Click here for a complete list of exactly how much Primary Stats each piece has. (Secondary Stats; use formula below)

‹°›Secondary Stat(s) will be either:

Any ONE Secondary Stat useable (not necessarily desired) by your spec, equal to 100% of the amount of your Primary Stat. (except Helm/Chest/Legs, see below)---or---

TWO different Secondary Stats each equal to 2/3rds of your Primary Stat.Example: Shoulders with 1,000 base Strength could get 1 Stat of 1,000 Haste, or 2 Stats of 667 Crit + 667 Mastery. In addition, some classes such as Balance Druids can get Stats ranging across the whole spectrum, and gear can get bloated with Hit/Expertise.

UPDATE 9/17/2013: In light of the massive amounts of random stat possibilities for each class, I'm working extremely hard to create an interactive Item Comparison listing the exact stats for every single piece of iLvl 535 Timeless Gear with all combinations possible, and to fit it into one nice clean table (and greatly shorten this post in the process) Give me a few hours and I'll have it uploaded here for you all ! <3Edit: 6:15 PM, finished spreadsheet with all stats for every piece of gear, moving data into a table w/ item links, ALMOST DONE GUYS :-)

‹°› Only Helmets, Chests, and Legs will have Gem Sockets (one socket). However luckily they give large Socket Bonuses and the Helmet also has a Meta-gem Socket equippable with the Legendary Meta.

‹°› Due to the Gem Sockets in the Helmet, Chest, and Legs, they will have a lower budget (amount) for Primary and/or Random Stats and do not follow the same formula for budgeting as above, but will still have either 1 or 2 Secondary Stats.

‹°› The gear will become soulbound and the Burden of Eternity will be consumed, so you may have to use multiple Burdens on multiple of the same type of armor token to get the stats you want.

‹°› Gear can be Double Upgraded from iLvl 535 to iLvl 543 for 500 Valor Points (250 Valor per Upgrade of 4 iLvls each). Strongly recommend saving Valor Upgrades for gear with 2 Secondary Stats that are preferred by you for your specific needs and spec.

‹°› Does not work on Trinkets / Timeless Curios, 'Generic' Armor Caches that have no specific gear slot/type, or any gear that is already soulbound, and there are no BoA Weapon Tokens that drop or that you can use this on.

I hope this cleared the air for what you might expect! And remember, just because its a 'higher item level' doesn't always mean its better! Without a lot of luck on the random stats, many pieces of gear will end up being iLvl 535 Vendor or Disenchant trash.

Kommentar von nephrite

Just to be clear, you can valor point upgrade the 535 items these create.

Kommentar von Devisaur

*Please keep in mind that this was before the hotfix on September 12th and I have not yet been able to adjust the figures.

Now the Zeitlose Münze that I looted 90 times came to a sum of 33100. Now subtracting that from what I initially spent I ended up losing only 16900 coins. The coin mean was 367.77, the min 50 and the max 850.

I'm going to take this even farther there was a 33.8% loss when it came to the Zeitlose Münze, now from the amount I made back I could buy another 66 keys. With 33100 as the starting value and it adhering to the 33.8% loss I would now have 21913 coins left which would allow me to buy 43 keys. I'm going to put this into a list now that I've shown the math to make it less wordy.* Please keep in mind I have not fully test this and cannot guarantee that there is a 33.8% loss each time

50000 coins (100.0 keys) -> 331000 (38.8% loss)

33100 coins (66.0 keys) -> 21913 (38.8% loss)

21913 coins (43.8 keys) -> 14506.4 (38.8% loss)

14506.4 (29.0 keys) -> 9603.24 (38.8% loss)

9603.24 (19.2 keys) -> 6357.34 (38.8% loss)

6357.34 (12.7 keys) -> 4208.56 (38.8% loss)

4208.56 (8.42 keys) -> 2786.07 (38.8% loss)

2786.07 (5.57 keys) -> 1844.38 (38.8% loss)

1844.38 (3.69 keys) -> 1220.98 (38.8% loss)

1220.98 (2.44 keys) -> 808.29 (38.8% loss)

808.29 (1.62 keys) -> 535.09 (38.8% loss)

535.09 (1.07 keys) -> 180.85 (38.8% loss)

Okay so from the degradation based on the data with the investment of 50000 for 100 keys you'll actually end up getting about 293.21 keys out of the entire process. Which is nearly double the amount of keys from 50000.

So what does this all mean for chest vs vendor?

Well from previous comments I can gather that some people have been lucky and received multiple from 100 keys or less and others have received none. From what I can tell by buying Schlüssel für Kukurus Schatzkammer you're not risking much, based on previous statistics from the PTR(which may have since been altered) you should acquire as Last der Ewigkeit every 13000 coins or so. Therefore buying keys should increase the amount of Last der Ewigkeit you receive.

I will continue to update this as I buy more keys.

*edited for disclaimer

Kommentar von addohm

I can't say I believe anyone when they say they've already farmed 160k coins. How is that possible in the first day?

Kommentar von McGrignr

Patch 5.4 Hotfix for September 12th:

Reduced the chance for Burdens of Eternity to drop from Kukuru's Caches.

Unsure yet if spending 50k coins on caches remains a better option than buying one straight from the vendor, now.

Kommentar von Foulbark

Note that the hotfixes from Sept 12 state: "Reduced the chance for Burdens of Eternity to drop from Kukuru's Caches." So it may be less efficient to do that now. I got a Burden on my first chest (maybe they were tempting me!) and haven't had one since.

Kommentar von smackthekids

IMPORTANT UPDATE: 5.4 Hotfix - September 12, 2013 - Reduced the chance for Last der Ewigkeit to drop from Kukuru's Caches. (It was only a matter of time honestly)

Please continue to provide feedback if using Schlüssel für Kukurus Schatzkammer is still more viable than spending 50,000 Timeless Coins for a Burden of Eternity; I will update this as soon as more number crunching is done using the cache keys post-hotfix.

For now, you're best off holding on to your Timeless Coins until a more recent, updated, and accurate drop-rate is established if you planned on using them for Burden of Eternity gear upgrades.

Kommentar von avigreat12

These seem to be unusable outside of the Timeless Isle. same thing with the timeless tokens

Kommentar von flaps16

These do have very low drop chances from any mob on the timeless isle as well.

Just had one dropping from the hozen divers at the sunken ship.

Kommentar von Tarlach

From the patch notes on 9/13/2013:

There were also some changes to prevent unintended shortcuts: chests on the Timeless Isle now require level 90 to open, and the chance to get Burden of Eternity inside one of Kukuru's chests has been decreased. As many of you pointed out in the comments, this was a much better way to get Burden of Eternity than spending 50000 at the vendor.

I'm assuming it no longer makes sense to save coins for keys if you want Burdens.

Kommentar von Kopac

i wonder if this item drops on daily basis or just i got lucky that i got it today from mobs and one from chest yesterday... pls respond if anyone knows !

Kommentar von mikeo007

As has been stated above, Kukuru's Caches are no longer a reasonable method of getting these.After gathering 50k coins, here are the results of buying 100 keys:

Conclusion: My guess is they made it approximately 1 burden for 50000 coins, just like the vendor. They said "no short cuts". You may get a burden after 500 coins or never... it's just the roll of the dice. I have spent upwards of 80k coins over the past few days, 12k or so before the nerf, and gotten zero burdens (aside from some rare drops and the guaranteed rewards) and 7 total Bonkers. Whether you want to take your chances on Kukuru or not is up to you. I, personally, will never try him again. If I see another Bonkers, I will punch a baby in the face.

I'm off to go cry. Hope this helps everyone. UPVOTE so people are aware of the nerfing and these results.

UPDATE: Just had another session with the monkey.

135 chests, 2 bonkers, 13 armor tokens, no burdens

Kommentar von treyn42

They can also come from mobs ( personally got one) atleast from the Foreboding Flame mob.

Kommentar von Bloodandfury

Kommentar von Ethril

Just to keep up on how things are going....Today (15 Sep - must be post nerf) I spent 31k (and all the coins I got from chests) on chests.I got 5 Burden of Eternity and one Bonkers...plus a dozen or so Timeless pieces of various kinds.

Kommentar von Hunter1877

So,, after a few hours of deliberation and after reading these comments I though "what the heck" and decided to gamble my coins for the chance to win one (or more) Burden of Eternity, with the chance to also win back some of my coins.

I had just over 50,000 coins to play with and here are my results, carried out on the morning of 16 Sep 13:

So I started with 50,000 coinsI ended up with 1 Burden which took 197 chests to find and almost 100k coins in total.From my initial 50,000 coins I ended up with about 17,000 change

My maths are not great, but I think that makes the drop rate for a Burden, for me, close to 0.5% chance

It was worth it in the end, but I was 3 chests away fom a total failure and will not be doing that again !

Kommentar von ladyofthemasque

Just an FYI, these Burdens of Eternity DO NOT STACK in your bags. Discovered that by accident when I got one off the ship, and one off the blazing chest. :-) So...make SURE you have bagspace for one when you run for the chest (plus all other drops, I got 3 other things).

Kommentar von snickets

I'm still on the fence as to what the drop rate is from the monkey casino chests. Was roughly 1% drop rate on toon 1, and 0% on toon 2. Story below:

On Sept 15th, on my pally, i spent 30k (recycling the coins i got back from the chests), and I received 3 burdens of eternity.

I was so encouraged by those results that I jumped on my warlock and dropped the 90k I had stored up on him..and received no burdens of eternity.

Guess pally is just super lucky as he has received 8 burdens already, and the lock only the 2 you get from chest and questing :(

Damn you RNG!

Kommentar von Zabfromdurotan

Blizzard needs to take a look at the possible items in each spec loot table. I have gotten 3 consecutive useless items from these. 2 crit only and one hit only for an arcane mage. I don't even want to use the last one because it will probably just piss me off.

Kommentar von WannaBeP

I have a total of three of these. I am unsure if I should wait for a chestplate and pants to use it on or if I should just go ahead and use it on braces,boots and ect.

Kommentar von mooshimanx

Much like the regular items, there's a bit of luck involved in getting a good item because of the way Blizzard currently itemizes random suffix items. First off, Timeless items will generally lack the same gem slots as equivalent ilvl loot (e.g. Throne of Thunder heroic). Second, if you get a random suffix (e.g. "of the Adroit" - expertise) that has only one secondary stat, the item will have significantly less stats than regular gear (about 75%) and less than random suffixes that have two secondary stats (e.g. "of the Windflurry").

I've already used multiple Burdens (I got 5 in the first week, none from the monkey) on my Rogue and received a pair of boots which had nothing but haste, a ring with nothing but expertise, and a ring with both haste and mastery.

Kommentar von Tillion

My main has been questing-well, killing mobs, really, rares and elites and whatnot-for a week now and the only Burden I have to report is the one from the Blazing chest. Meanwhile, a friend on my server has already got about 8 of them, not from the key-opened chests, but from random mobs around the island, non-elite ones included.

Kommentar von noisebox

I think the best way to obtain these is spamming the same chest, it has worked for me and now have 6 in total with about 20k coins actually spent. It is like the chests go through a cycle rather than RNG although i know that's not the case, but that is the method to my madness, I have told guildies the same information and their luck greatly increased also. It just makes sense.

Kommentar von Rhacius

I did a bit of math comparing 528 (LFR) and 535 (timeless) gear and concluded that the they both have identical primary stat gain including the extra sockets on LFR gear. However timeless gear with 2 secondary stats on them have slightly more secondary stats.

For example timeless boots have 150 more secondary stats than the LFR versions and 3 more primary stats. That is assuming the timeless boots have 2 secondary stats and you respect socket color.

So if you are don't raid (anymore) but still like to max your toon like myself, timeless gear can be slightly better than LFR gear. I would still go for 4/4 LFR tier pieces though, and obviously coin Ordos every week for offpiece.

Kommentar von fklein4

I got one from killing a regular level 90 yak, and another one from killing one of the elite pink birds. So, I got two from random trash, two days in a row. I wouldn't have used them up on the first two pieces I had if I knew that they were actually rare. But, I thought I would make mention that these can be obtained from random trash.

Kommentar von fklein4

I got one from killing a regular level 90 yak, and another one from killing one of the elite pink birds. So, I got two from random trash, two days in a row. I wouldn't have used them up on the first two pieces I had if I knew that they were actually rare. But, I thought I would make mention that these can be obtained from random trash.

Kommentar von Cekis

Some stats from a recent test performed on 9/19 @ 2PM PST. Here were some rules I followed:

The remaining attempts returned 3k, 2k, 1.5k Zeitlose Münze, but no loot, just Zeitlose Münze. I drug this out for about 3 times following the 1.5k run then didn't have enough leftover. Overall Zeitlose Münze spent was about 58,500, but the rate of return allowed a very small minimum investment meaning this is definitely still better than just spending 50k on Ai's Last der Ewigkeit.

EDIT: My math is really bad. Adjusted total # of attempts and total spend. It's not the exact spend, but it's within 10 keys/5k coins.

Kommentar von Noctul

For my Warlock I didn't get Cloth Spaulders, but Leather Spaulders dropped. Due to the very free discription "to create an item appropriate to your loot specialisation" I was curios if the Burden would have the Power to transform also the armor class. I started a try and it began to cast. I was to unsure and stopped it. Google couldn't help me, so I started a brave new try.

The cast began but at the very end he aborted saying "can't use that". Bummer...

So, if you don't believe me, you can have a try yourself. But you don't need to have.

Kommentar von Psychotic

I plan to keep this topic posted with a relevant information. My tests all start with 20,000 coins (40 keys) and I then spend the gains back. I'll keep getting data sets with 20k as my initial investment.

To keep my post clean and easy to read I won't post each data set (where I used all my coins and what I got after each "round" of re-investment), I'll simply say how many keys it took me to get one Burden and how many coins that cost.

Again, to reiterate, my initial investment is always 20,000 Timeless Coins and then I spend the coins I gain from opening chests back into the gamble. I shall keep this post as updated as I can.

Kommentar von wxcopy

Ok, just a warning. You CAN use this item on the wrong timeless armor type for your class, as I just did by accident.

A rogue cannot create a timeless chainmail leg, but the burden can. Now I have some useless mail legs and no burden :(.Sharded it /cry

Kommentar von ReverieFM

12 Burdens, after the "nerf"but, seriously, be careful...it will suck the fun out of the game. Flex is a little harder than a lot of us expected, I haven't gotten any boss kills yet. That leaves me with a pointless timeless isle grind for 1 trinket, and a mount, which I have no interest in doing at all. These burdens killed the game for me, and after going back to Guild Wars 2 for a day, I'll be spending my time there only going on for guild runs. If anyone's wondering, 1 blazing chest, 1 from the dread ship, 1 from Cinderfall, 9 from Kukuru's chests after the nerf.

The 20500 additional coins gave me 41 keys, here is what they awarded me:

14000 coins - 3 armor pieces - 1 bonkers - 0 burdens

The next 14000 coins gave me 28 keys, maybe i was lucky this time?Here is the outcome:

9000 coins - 1 armor piece - 0 bonkers - 0 burdens

By now - my spirit was pretty beat up, but i had to continue my test and go total broke... The 9000 coins gave me 18 new keys. The 18 keys got me:

5500 coins - 4 armor pieces - 0 bonkers - 0 burdens

5500 coins gave me 11 keys. the 11 keys gave me:

3500 coins - 1 armor piece - 0 bonkers - 0 burdens

And now - with only 3500 coins left that gives me 7 keys to gamble on with, was i to get the long waited burden of eternity?Ofcourse not.. i got 1500 coins - 2 armor pieces - 0 bonkers - 0 burdens

The last 3 keys from the 1500 coins turned into 2 keys, that turned into 1 key, which eventually turned into 1 "Timeless cloth leggings" - Horraaay!

To come to conclusion - The risks of this gamble doesn't seem to be worth it - in my case atleast - As i was finished and after a long night of coin farming i was ready to head weeping since i didn't get the burden i was searching for, some random dude got his burden on his first key, with his first 500 coins, that he got just, 2 min after he got online from patching.

Oh the irony..

Kommentar von Bluesius

You can use Burden of Eternity on items NOT suited for your class. I just used it on a plate token (shoulder), and I play a druid.

The upgrade was successful, but gets me nowhere as the item is soulbound, and can NOT be mailed to any other character after upgraded using the burden.

The 1st of October hotfix also made these non-tradeable amongst "all players eligible to the loot"; so they can no longer be bought.

Kommentar von d3xx

Note that if you loot one while grouped, you can trade it (within 2 hrs)with others who were in on the kill.Not sure if you can trade it with ungrouped people from the kill.

Kommentar von Kopac

ive heard that u can trade it with whoever else attacked the same rare but so far it doesnt work for me so any help?

Kommentar von Whataholic

I tested this with my friend and found out that you can trade Burden of Eternity and Timeless Tokens to those persons that have killed the same rare mob, within 2 hours. WORKS with ungrouped people!Trading works the same way as in dungeons/raids i.e. loot goes to wrong person, you give the item to the real winner.So if youre helping to gear your friend, kill rares at same time and trade Burdens to eachothers. Happy gearing :)

Kommentar von nautiness

I just did 57 keys and got one burden, two timeless signets, one cloth pants, one leather shoulder and two bonkers with a loss of about 10k in coins.

Kommentar von jcoleman

Appears to be no longer tradeable as of the 1-Oct-13 reset. :(

Kommentar von eklamer1

I decided to spend my coins on these keys despite some of the unfortunate results of other commenters.

All coins obtained from the chests were reinvested until I had none left. I don't have the exact number of keys.

Char 1: 40,000 coins, 2 burdens

Char 2: 19,000 coins, 1 burden

Char 3: 19,000 coins, 1 burden

Char 4: 16,000 coins, 0 burdens

Plus about 15 Bonkers and many armor pieces. I still believe this is a better way to spend coins for burdens than to buy them outright.

Kommentar von Aliandrin

What I'm wondering is if Archerus of Flame really drops a Burden of Eternity fully 5% of the time, why don't we just buy Scroll of Challenge and get an expected value of 1 Burden from 20000 coins instead of 1 Burden from 50000 coins?

If the logic is sound, the chance you'll get it doing just two Challenges per day is equal to ~ (.95)(.95) which is 9.75%. Buying 10 Scrolls would make your chance ~(.95^10) which is roughly 40%.

This is completely irrespective of what others get from looting your summoned Archerus. It doesn't even take into account that you could theoretically get 20 people who each get a scroll, all tag the Archerus each time, and each person ends up (again, expected value; in reality some will get 2 or 3 and others none) with a Burden from only a single Scroll investment. It's also irrespective of whatever else the Archerus drops.

Kommentar von pajeau3

Some info for those wondering if Kukuru's chests are worth doing for Burdens AFTER the hotfix reducing the chance for Burden's to be in Kukuru's chests. Was NOT worth it for me. I know everyone's experience will be different.

I went in with 55000 coins. Bought as many keys as I could. Everytime I ran out of keys, I bought more until I ran out of coins. Repeated this until I could not buy any more keys. I ended up wiith:

Now, I did this on a character that doesn't need Burden gear, and I really needed Lavaliers for alts to use Burden's on, so I don't feel this was a waste. However, if Burdens were my goal, it definitely would have been.

Again, just one player's experience. The Burden drop rates are up to the RNG gods and some people who do what I did may end up with multiple Burdens rather than zero. But as for me, I won't use this method for Burdens next time.

Kommentar von Akitnaya

I got all my burdens from the blazing chest, & most of the harder mobs to kill like Arch, Flint Lord, Urdur & Cinder but now that I need just TWO more for my bracers & ring, they just will NOT drop for me. I was totally thinking i'd buy it but then when I saw they're 50K timeless coins I totally don't think it's worth it. Just as much as it wasn't worth me going to Kukuru's cave & wasting 500 timeless coins on a key & having not a single burden drop. Let's see if RNG is nice to me this week. Hoping 2 drop soon! This hotfix sucks. I'd buy 1 from someone in a heartbeat right about now!

Kommentar von fjottrik

What item can i use this on? almost every item on timeless isle is soulbound! D:

Kommentar von elionor

we work our butt off to get 1 of these SOBs is it to much to ask for that when we finally get 1 we get something good out of it?

Kommentar von Mantrhax

After some time hunting on the island i already got 9 burdens, used 5 and have 3 in bank...useless from now on , perhaps blizzard want to change it so i can sell it for like 10.000 coins :))

Kommentar von Varothar

Okay I have a question, say I am a level 90 DK with a Burden and I want to use it on a cloth item for my Warlock, can I use the Burden on the cloth piece and send it to my Warlock?

Kommentar von PesteSkullie

Soo i bought like 30 Keys and now i hv 8 Burden gear , and 2 burdens wich i havent got any token , soo yeah.. any advice to hwre to get shoulders and chest token? :s

Kommentar von Fugazi

Just did 88k coins:- 3 burdens- 10+ bonkers- load of armors (but only one neck)

Kommentar von monkey1997

I've gotten 12 of these now i don't know how i don't care how

Kommentar von lotus1197

Started out with 56K coins...after buying and reinvesting coins, i bought a total of 282 Keys..netted about 20 pieces of gear and 3 Burdens

Kommentar von wiseguyxp

Wowhead has drop rates listed for us already. Assuming they're accurate, we can calculate the average number of Last der Ewigkeit drops using a binomial distribution. This will tell us if it's worth it to spend Zeitlose Münze on chests as opposed to spending them on Last der Ewigkeit directly. These examples use 50,000 Zeitlose Münze, reinvesting them until they're all gone, to more easily compare the results to the price of a Last der Ewigkeit straight from the vendor.

1 The sample size (80,000) was estimated by adding up all of the recorded burden drops from Timeless Chests.2 The observed drop rate (.6%) is taken from averaging the drop rate from all of the Timeless Chests on Wowhead.3 The Zeitlose Münze return rate is estimated from the smaller samples throughout the comments. The return rate seems fall reliably within a few percent of this number.

TL;DR - It's worth it IN THE LONG RUN (hundreds of thousands of coins) to spend Zeitlose Münze opening chests. Just remember that due to RNG, you might not get any.

Kommentar von Ghash

I would never suggest that there's a method to the madness, but just in case someone wants to try to reproduce my luck...I have spent roughly 70k FARMED coins (this amount is not including the coins I got from chests and used to buy more keys) on keys. With those 70k farmed coins, I have gotten 7 burdens from chests. I basically buy all of the keys I can afford at once, then sit in one little spot and just open the chests within reach (namely the ones to the right of the mob as you face him that includes the one that resembles the chests from the Trove of the Thunder King) until I'm out of keys, rinse, and repeat.

Kommentar von Esynigg

During my 4 days on timeless isle i got:

2 Burdens dropping from Dread Ship Vazuvius.1 Burden from a Great Turtle Furyshell.1 Burden from a Kakuru cache.

Kommentar von Tassit

So far I'm at 23 burdens used and 23 Warmsun Ring of the Unerring (Pure hit).Never in my life have I experienced so much rage at such a dumb thing.

Kommentar von DJConnelly

What happens if you use the burden on a timeless piece that you've already equipped?

Kommentar von jester20007

this thing should be made BoA

Kommentar von jstrahan

What do you do when all your items are already at 535 or above? Is there any thing else to do with these?

Kommentar von ShamanOne

First of all, no player is at fault for the fact that the description for the Burden of Eternity is about as uniformative and meaningless as it can be. That is the fault of the Blizzard employee or agent who wrote it. If a player is able to read and to write competently, however, then they should be able to simply describe how to use the Burden of Eternityif, in fact, they do know that.

After acquiring my first Burden of Eternity today, I decided to consult Wowhead in hope of finding reliable information and instructions as to how to use that item to produce what its description claims will be produced. I wish I could say that the time and effort has been well-spent.

(1) The Burden of Eternity is used, but upon which object is it "used"? Or is another object needed to use it at all?

Perhaps a better word would be "applied" instead of "used", in the way that a player uses an enchantment inscribed upon vellum to apply that enchantment to a piece of armor. Namely, right-click on the enchanted vellum, then left-click on the item you want to enchant.

There are two opposing opinions as to which object the Burden of Eternity is applied. Some players apparently claim that it is applied to an existing piece of iLevel 496 armor, which has been previously created by using a "Timeless " token.

Others, however, report that applying it to an existing piece of armor does not work, but applying it to a "Timeless " token itself does create a piece of armor that is iLevel 535 instead of iLevel 496.

In my own experience so far, after (a) I placed the mouse cursor on the Burden of Eternity and clicked the right mouse button, then (b) placed the mouse cursor on a Timeless Plate Armor Helmet and clicked the left mouse button, a progress bar appeared and began "filling". (The same process occurs when applying an enchantment.) However, when the process ended, the existing armor remained unchanged, and the Burden of Eternity was not consumed.

Unfortunately, I did not have on hand a "Timeless " for a piece of armor that I would want to expend the Burden of Eternity to create, so I cannot affirm that process will work, either. If it doesn't, then I should hope that Blizzard's GMs can resolve the matter.

Be that as it may, I expect that applying the Burden of Eternity to a "Timeless " will create the corresponding piece of armor as an iLevel 535 item instead of an iLevel 496 item. The internal creation procedure itself is quite likely the same as simply using the token itself to create the piece, except that the iLevel is higher. So, the primary and secondary attributes of the piece of armor are higher.

(2) The description of the Burden of Eternity's use is: "Imbue great power upon an unbound Timeless armor token to create an item appropriate for your loot specialization."

"Imbue great power ..."? Frankly, I expect whatever "power" the armor has is likely to be expressed by primary and/or secondary stats whose values are written in digits. I suppose it a bit too much to hope for an item that is anything like Souldrinker -- which is a weapon -- but have a proc that is appropriate for armor.

Terms again: what is an "unbound Timeless armor token"? (Blizzard will deign to answer.)

Does the word "unbound" refer to a piece of armor that is not already Bind on Account, Bind on Pickup, Bind on Equip, or Soulbound? Since every piece of gear that I have ever seen has one of those four attributes, perhaps the Blizzard writer refers to the fact that gear in a "Timeless is not "bound" until it is created by using the "token".

The word "token" has a specific technical meaning in the Object Oriented Paradigm that is used for designing software, especially software that enables the user to interact with objects . Just exactly what "token" means in this context is unclear. The words "armor token" could refer to an existing piece of armor, but could refer to one that is used to create a piece of armor instead.

(3) When a player uses a "Timeless ", it creates an Account Bound item appropriate for the player character's "loot specialization." Apparently, when the player applies the Burden of Eternity instead, then a Soulbound piece of gear is created according to that character's loot specialization. (I do not know what happens if the Burden of Eternity is applied to a "Timeless " for an item which the character cannot use, but players report here that the armor will be created nonetheless.)

Which leads to another question: how does a player find out which "loot specialization" that their character is assigned? Can that be chosen and/or subsequently changed by the player?

In my own experience, it has always been controlled by the currently active class specialization for the character. Thus, when a Paladin has a Retribution spec active, using a "Timeless " creates armor with stats appropriate for that spec, and when the same Paladin has a Protection spec active, the "Timeless " creates armor with Parry and/or Dodge as at least one secondary stat. If the Paladin had a Holy spec active, then the cache would produce armor with INT instead of STR and usually Spirit would be at least one of the secondary stats, if not the only added stat.

(4) Then there is the debate as to whether buying Kukuru's Cache Keys are a worthwhile gamble, compared to buying the Burden of Eternity from Mistweaver Ai for 50,000 Timeless Coins instead. Perhaps that analysis belongs in the comments for Master Kukuru.

Kommentar von xmaddhatterx

today I spent a total of 55000k coins and received 4 burdens! oddly no pets, and 22 various armor tokens

Kommentar von Hystra

Okay so to make things clear, you can only use this on an item you have not yet equipped...? Just want to be sure here.

First two Burdens dropped from the initial 90 keys (45000 coins), and the third one from the second time I purchased 67 keys. So at the end 45000 coins bought me 3x Burdens and countless Timeless attire. Much better than buying 1x Burden for 50000 coins from Mistweaver Ai.

Another experience on my main on the same day, 1 Burden from Gu'chi. Right after that went to spend 25000 Timeless Coins on keys. From the chests I received 2 Burdens (actually both within a minute of each other). Not to mention the previous day I got 2 Burdens, 1 from Huolon and the other from a Burning Berserker. I guess the the last two days were lucky for me. 8 burdens on 2 characters.

Kommentar von Killz

Can you do anything useful with these after you have full gear that is better than 535? I have like 10 in my bag and feels sad to just throw them away.

Kommentar von Aerozia

droprate increases to 30% when you have 535 il or more on your character

Kommentar von warcanon

I would like to warn all and anyone who use it with the wrong spec and would like to reverse the process to get back the item armor token and the burden. I forgot to check what loot spec I had active so I happily used both and found I got something I didn't want/need.I made a ticket and explained about my situation and here's my answer answer:

Ticket EU38340349

SylithroCustomer Service RepresentativeHello <insert character name>!

First, I want to apologise for the very long wait time! We have seen a huge increase in tickets lately, increasing our response time.. But we are doing what we can to get it back to our normal response time as quickly as possible!

I am sorry to hear that you used your Burden of Eternity while in the wrong spec. But sadly, we are not able to reverse this again once the item has been used. It is the players own responsibility to ensure that the character is in the right spec before using the item.

I am afraid that you will have to obtain a new Burden of Eternity to get the item that you wanted.

Edit: changed a few lines and took care of tooken (token now)

Kommentar von Carmella

I don't have the number breakdown or anything, but it seems that killing the rares that spawn all around the isle is a better way to farm these than farming the 50,000 coins to buy one. I mostly PvP and have 4 of these sitting in my inventory waiting for a cloth piece worth using them on.

Just my own anecdotal evidence.

Kommentar von Yogilaw

I have found that building up a good cache of coins then having a spree in Kukuru's cave works every so often, if you're lucky you can get some gear & a Burden dropping, although it can be frustrating if you only need a specific item or 2 to upgrade. It seems that some gear is rarer than others, as a plate DK I find bracers & gloves very seldom drop. It is also possible for Burden to drop from any mob you kill. I've had 2 from Ordon Candlekeepers (but this doesn't happen very often).

Kommentar von Argandorn

I was a bit fed up that my timeless coins really couldn't buy anything really useful anymore. So I looked up Kukuru's Grotto, from which I heard and read about. I was hoping that some keys might get me the Timeless Plate Gloves that I still can't find. I bought 10 keys just to see how this works and I expected to invest a lot more.

Now I know people are going to hate me for this, but I opened the first chest: Last der Ewigkeit. So I'm totally like "What the ...". Then I thought: "Oh I get it: the first one is a guaranteed drop, just like the burning cache" (I couldn't be more wrong). So I open up 3 more and get some coins. And then I open up another Burden of Eternity.... So thats two Last der Ewigkeit with 5 keys... The other 5 keys were just coins.

I'm almost feel a bit guilty putting this here...

Now there is one thing I can't get out of my mind: What else could I have done this night with so much luck? What I should have done instead of playing WoW is buying 10 lottery tickets and chill in St Tropez for the rest of my life.....

Screenshot submitted.

So for me it was:

10 keys2 Burdens0 Timeless Isle Gear0 Bonkers

BTW: In the screenshot you'll see first a 76 Timeless Coin received. Those were NOT from a cache but from a rare mob I killed just before entering the Grotto. It was Spelurk if anyone is interested killing him and then try your luck?

Kommentar von joefishh

Its seems that everyone's problem with the low rate of burdens from the timeless chest is that they are buying the keys in bulk, i bought a key to the timeless chest and got one so i saved some coins then bought 1 key at a time and ended up getting 4 burdens with less than 15 keys. Try it

Kommentar von JC33

100000+ coins looking for a bonkers

Got 26 timeless items then got frustrated and logged out; went to the gym, came back, opened another 40 boxes.

6 more timeless pieces, a Burden of Eternity, and...

2 Bonkers :)

Kommentar von Bonjoelie

HiYesterday on February 16th of 2014 i used 14,000 timeless coins and received 2 burden of eternitybeing that you get plenty back on chests total used was probably about 21,000!But 2 burdens for that amount is hell of a good dealthought i'd let you all know so you have a chance at getting some your self

Kommentar von Tenolein

I hate these things.

Rant incoming: THEY NEVER DROP. Best thing I can say is either farm up 50k coins to purchase one or go to the monkey chest cave and gamble them. Either way, don't expect many Burdens from dropping off mobs. Farmed Timeless Isle with my shaman for weeks now, and the only burdens I've gotten were from the monkey chests, the Archerus quest turn in and the Blazing Chest on the top of the Ordon Sanctuary.

That said, you are better off just getting enough ilvl to LFR and go that route to get geared.

Kommentar von Obsolescence

I spended like 10k coins on these chest picking up randomly (preferably small chest) and I got 2 bonkers and 1 burden :) I guess I just had luck I prefered to pick up small chest and only 2 or 3 times big ones.

Kommentar von Amitur

Some crude math to help you decide whether to buy burdens or keys for the timeless chests. This is taking a pure numbers approach. I think the rare numbers are unrealistic. Please check my numbers.

Based on this, you farm elites and buy burdens at 50,000 when you can. Your luck may vary of course.

Kommentar von cpbradford

Ty all, for your previous notes, and I noticed much of it was at the time of 5.4.0 and nothing more recent. I personally did not know about having to use the Burden of Eternity on a BOA cache, and did the mistake of making cloaks to get the one I wanted upgraded. I was far beyond ilvl on all my gear for 535 except my cloak. So I went to the cave hoping to use Kukuru's Cache Key to get a cloak to use with my Burden of Eternity I got from the Burning Chest. With only a cloak in mind I took 19,500 coins and bought nothing but keys

I found one chest that was a replica of the Ark of the Covenant, a very close replica indeed and sat there opening that same chest over and over. I was there for about an hour due to getting so many coins back, and using them to buy more keys. Here is my little list of loot.

So that was the loot, starting with 19,500 coins. To anyone that may be curious, I was a Fury Warrior, Plate wearer.

Kommentar von irishlord

does it matter what item you use it on?

I already was wearing 4 purple items i found and used it on my back. I wanted to do my legs or chest .Then i thought its more rare to find back upgrades.Is it better when used on chest vs hands or wrists?

Kommentar von Elbeske

I spent around 22,000 timeless coins on the chests, (Plus the amount that was earned back) and I was dropped:- 17 armor tokens (6 of which I could use)- 3 bonkers- A chest with 1 timeless coin in it...- 0 burdensI feel like Blizz did nerf the burden drop chance from the chest, when they nerfed the mob drop chance. I was able to get 4 from the first time I did it, (Using 14,000 timeless) but now it seems that they WANT players to save up that 50k timeless to get it instead of taking the easier gamble.

Happy hunting, and may the RNG gods be on your side.

Kommentar von BahamutOmega

Wall o text incoming.

Just to add my my two timeless coins into this regarding Kukuru's gambling chests. Over the course of a week, I've spent about 45k on keys. I've netted 3 burdens. It's disheartening to grind out 12k coins with nothing but bonkers and armor tokens, but, overall, the investment is still better than 50k on one burden from vendor. RNG is RNG, though, and your results may vary significantly.

Case in point, on one attempt, I spent 1500 coins for 3 keys and got a burden on the 3rd key, then spent 12k more coins (plus the returned coinage) and got nothing but random tokens or more coins.

I've been trying a two chest only technique where I pick two chests near Kukuru, a small chest (which I've noticed that small chests seem to have a better yield of burdens... or I might be over thinking things) and a medium ches,t then open them one at a time, buying single keys each time. I use the "NPC will spawn with it's intended loot at that time" line of reasoning hoping to "force" a burden to spawn inside a chest, as it were. So far, all three burdens I got were from the small chest. Might just be coincedence.

On a different note, I wonder how they assign burden drop rates to the Rares. Better chance to get it on the first kill you make on that rare in a day, or just first kill on anything in that day with Rares having the highest chance (increasing with the Rare itself)? Take this with a grain of salt but this is what I've noticed in the week of actually paying attention to when I'm killing things. My first kill on the summoned Archie of Flame in a day yielded both the XP elixir and Burden. He happened to be my first rare kill that day, too (though I don't recall if I had killed any other normal elite or normal mob before him). Other days, I just get coins from him if I've already killed any rares that day. Subsequently, I tagged the Dread Ship as my first rare, and first kill, period, of the day on a different day and got a Burden. Otherwise, if I've already killed something (like evermaw before the ship) I just get 800-1k coins. I also got a burden on my first kill of Zhu-Gon at the skunky brew event, but again, he was my first kill of the day when I logged in. Any other time, I only get coins if I've already killed a Rare that day (like the Emerald Gander).

However, on the opposite end of the spectrum, today I tagged the Champions of the Black flame on my way to the Sha of Repairs (Cinderfall) and they only dropped 300+ coins, even though they were my first kill of the day on the isle. And there have been other days where I've only killed ganders first and no burdens. So I may have just had really good luck with RNG on the other kills, or it may be based on the Rare itself (all three of the ones I've listed where I got a burden on the first kill of the day require something else to happen in order for them to spawn, so maybe the rates are better for them?) Who knows besides Blizzard, and they aren't telling.

UPDATE: Since the time of this post, I've been killing every rare I can manage to get to (sometimes the same one several times throughout a day) and it took until yesterday to finally get the last burden I wanted. I still see better than average results (more coins at the worst outcome) on my first kill of each Rare a day on the Isle, but I seems my theory of the increased chance of a Burden may have just come down to hitting the best dice roll on their RNG table those times.

Kommentar von steel108

When I needed/wanted Burdens of Eternity they were the rarest things. Now that they are useless to me, they drop SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much. I have 19 Burdens (grinding exalted with Shoa) sitting in the bank with no way to ever use them. They should really be BOA so I can ship them to alts.

Kommentar von Dumdidum

Make sure that if you are going to use this, you use it on the token BEFORE you create your loot item. Otherwise, your item is going to be level 496, and you can not upgrade it with the Burden of Eternity.

Kommentar von viking36

Does anyone know if I use Burden on my main character if I can mail the token to my alt, or does it instantly change the token to soulbound? Thanks

Kommentar von Padeen

Has the Burden drop rate been considerably lowered? I've killed over sixty rares over the last 2 1/2 weeks and NO drops. Prior to that I was getting 1-2 burdens/week. This is very frustrating, and makes any more time spent on timeless isle a waste of time (time's up).

Kommentar von Hyperforms

Id like too see the vendor price increased if they don't plan to make them BOA. 5g seems a little low for a decent rare drop.

Kommentar von SaltLB

For whatever the reason seems to be, these are not Bind on Account. This makes these items rather useless if you are farming on a character that cannot upgrade any gear with timeless pieces.

Kommentar von Yogilaw

Maybe well wide of the mark here but...has anyone considered that Burden drop rates may reduce significantly as your iLvl increases? For example since hitting 540+. For over a month or so now I've been 'farming' TI for a couple of these to see if I can upgrade 1 of the 2 sets of bracers I'm holding to a better stats spec, but have got absolutely zip. Kukuru's Cave, elites, rares...killed or opened hundreds of them. Now getting v. frustrated, I don't recall the rate being as low as this before.

Kommentar von Hellsdante16

I spent around 7000-8000 Timeless Coins and received two Burdens of Eternity form Kukuru as of 5.4. I have heard the drop chance has fluctuated over time, but if you're a gambler, with a little luck, anything can happen.

Kommentar von CookieMonster428

Im really hoping Blizzard makes these BoA. I tried for weeks to get one to drop for my main, and I kid you not, the exact week I out grew them, two drop and the next week another two drop. Now I have four Burdens just sitting in my bank.

Kommentar von irishlord

i too think the drop rate is worse now. 3 months ago i got all that i needed. Now on my free upgrade toon i got one in 3 weeks of playing. In that time i have earned 50k coins . On my other toon i only had to buy one.Is the trick to wear green gear so you seem needy? I just outfitted this one with timeless stuff i had saved in the bank.

Kommentar von chinchillaqueen

My warrior had saved up 50,000 coins and I planned to buy his first Burden of Eternity from the vendor on Timeless Isle. Then I thought why not take my chances in the treasure chest cave? Sure, the Burdens are a low drop there, but let's take a chance. Am I glad I did! Instead of purchasing a single Burden, I gave all my coins to the hozen npc in the cave and ended up with FOUR Burdens, 3 rare pets, and 26 blue Timeless items including jewelry! I considered attending Gamblers Anonymous, but it was so worth it. I squealed and cheered each time a treasure chest yielded a Burden, and my kids were thinking, "Oh, no, Mom's reading her emails from the online dating service again." Money well spent!

Kommentar von frexima

Kommentar von maidendg

I just bought 20 keys, no Burdens, one Bonkers, one Timeless cloth bracer, one Timeless mail gloves. The rest were coin loots as low as 1 single coin in a chest up to 550 coins. No more chest gambles for me.

Kommentar von SoooWhoCares

So sadly it's official. Even though random drops and and random ratings after crafting the timeless items the Last der Ewigkeit will just remain soulbound even though it drops for characters who already have better gear and even more though despite the fact that this would be a great dump for Zeitlose Münze

So instead of making the random random useless and coinspam all less of a bad design by changing this to binds to account it'll stay that way.

Kommentar von stickshift

Boy, Burden of Eternity takes on a whole new meaning. This just dropped for me farming Windwool Cloth and I'll probably put it in the bank along with all my other "Just-In-Case" bank hogs.

Kommentar von georgia221

In MoP after they nurfed the drop rate and tried to adjust it they seemed to have twisted the drop rate. When I was undergeared I rarely got them at all but when I didn't need them I got them off rares often. For those who are still interested in gearing a new 90 from my experience farming coins and buying 20-40 keys will almost guarantee a drop, as level 110 farming ordos sanctuary and nearby rares I have not come across one burden