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The idea that making it illegal for everyone to sell a gun without a background check would stop criminals from selling each other guns is laughable. The risk vs reward pretty much sums up why a law like that would only effect law abiding citizens, and would do nothing to deter illegal transfers between criminals.

If you're already planning a more serious crime, or are already barred from owning a gun due to a felony then why would a law like that stop you from obtaining a gun?

People say things like, "Well it wouldn't, but it might make it harder for them." lol, isn't crack illegal? And weed? Pretty sure a phone call and a short drive could net me both if I was so inclined. Making it harder doesn't stop crime. At the end of the day a nigger is still going to shoot someone with a gun they shouldn't have been able to purchase.

Then why bother doing background checks at all? Just say "felons and people w/domestic violence raps can't buy guns" and use the honor system?

I come from Arizona, I love guns, I think society is better off for having guns. I also support background checks for each and every gun sale, period.

CENTRIST FAGGOTS ASSEMBLE!

Any other constitutionally enumerated rights you feel need to be restricted?

You ever had a background check to buy a gun? I have. It takes MINUTES. Unless someone is chasing you, that's fast enough. I also support people having to provide Identification in order to prove that they are indeed legally eligible to vote. There I go restricting the constitutionally enumerated rights of wetbacks.

actually that doesnt make sense since the background checks are a federal law while voter id laws are state laws and the constitution is only binding on the federal gov

maybe i am biased because it takes ~2 weeks for them to process a permit for me to buy a gun

I come from Arizona, I love guns, I think society is better off for having guns. I also support background checks for each and every gun sale, period.

CENTRIST FAGGOTS ASSEMBLE!

Any other constitutionally enumerated rights you feel need to be restricted?

You ever had a background check to buy a gun? I have. It takes MINUTES. Unless someone is chasing you, that's fast enough. I also support people having to provide Identification in order to prove that they are indeed legally eligible to vote. There I go restricting the constitutionally enumerated rights of wetbacks.

actually that doesnt make sense since the background checks are a federal law while voter id laws are state laws and the constitution is only binding on the federal gov

Actually thanks for making it an even more apt comparison. Gun restrictions vary wildly from state to state here as well. In Arizona, you can concealed carry without a permit. In Texas, you can't open carry, period. And most states do not have the so-called "gun show loophole".

i dont really mind if different states have different laws, gay faggots living in gay states will vote for gay politicians who will make gay laws, it'd just be nice if that gayness wasn't imposed on states that arent cesspools of faggotry

the feds can go fuck themselves, right after they export more arms bought at taxpayer expense to mudslime terrorists abroad while denying their own citizens the right to enter into voluntary exchange with their own money

Nothing wrong with a background check that takes minutes to determine the legality of a gun purchase. I honestly don't know why you guys oppose background checks to weed out felons and fugitives, since it would disproportionately affect niggers it seems like a great idea. Yes, criminals will still get guns through illegal means, but that just forces them to commit yet another crime in order to get one, hopefully leading to stiffer sentences and more prison time. Hell, they may even be caught with it during a traffic stop or drug bust before they commit a violent crime with it.

wimpb

Nothing wrong with a background check that takes minutes to determine the legality of a gun purchase. I honestly don't know why you guys oppose background checks to weed out felons and fugitives, since it would disproportionately affect niggers it seems like a great idea. Yes, criminals will still get guns through illegal means, but that just forces them to commit yet another crime in order to get one, hopefully leading to stiffer sentences and more prison time. Hell, they may even be caught with it during a traffic stop or drug bust before they commit a violent crime with it.

i dont really care what effect it has on crime. its the basis for a database, and it can be used as a tool to deny people access to firearms. if i were to argue that a law is good or bad based on its effect on crime or safety i would be arguing the pros or cons of a social engineering program rather than outright rejecting the immorality of social engineering itself

and its run by the feds

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wimpb

Saying that background checks/databases shouldn't be allowed because they have the potential to be used to deny citizens access to guns is pretty much like saying that guns shouldn't be allowed because they have the potential to be used in a crime.

uh no, one is government action which can potentially deny voluntary trade between citizens while the other is a citizen owning property that could potentially be used in a crime

owning something or attempting to make a legal trade isnt a crime and the onus is on the government to prove it needs to do something, not on the citizen whose rights are being (potentially) infringed

So lets just take this liberal ban guns logic and run with it for a minute shall we? Lets do a nice thought experiment. Lets say it really was possible to remove all guns from society. Like we just went door to door and confiscated all 300 million firearms. Yes, we all know that is impossible, but lets just pretend for a minute that it is not. We wave a magic wand and POOF! All guns in the USA magically vanish overnight! Not only that but we raid and shut down all domestic gun manufacturers and put them out of business forever. A huge victory for gun control right?

Ok, what then?

The demand for guns hasn't gone down one bit. It's still high as ever. So how do we stop new guns from being brought into the country from across the border? Tougher border restrictions? Bigger fences? More border control? Oh uh... that is not possible with the liberal philosophy. Closed borders is racism. How do we stop these guns from going across the border without being racist? Maybe we can really police the border like crazy and search people for those guns... but never ask for ID to prove citizenship? Would that be "not racist"? What about the drugs we will find though? Searching for those guns will turn up assloads of drugs. I guess we ignore the drugs because liberals are anti-drug war (at least they claim to be anyway. They certainly voted in the most pro drug-war administration since Reagan)

Ok lets just pretend we have magic wands on the border and we can wave and stop 100% of all gun smuggling. No gun may ever cross the border ever again because of.... MAGIC.

What people don't understand is that a gun is a fucking 700 year old piece of technology. It's older than the cotton gin, older than the printing press. It's not a fucking complex machine. The hardest part of making a gun is getting a piece of metal for the barrel that is strong enough not to bend or break when the bullet is fired. Metal tubes like that can be bought at any Home Depot for what $5? Perhaps $10 if its a really nice tube?

So what is the fucking end game here? How are we going to "get rid of guns"?

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Chomp! I'll totally be motivated to get off my ass, overcome my social anxiety and fear of failure and go to college once Bernie Sanders gives it to me for free like a handy from Lomos mom in an Arby's Men's room-I mean a Gender Inclusive Rest Facility.

Nothing wrong with a background check that takes minutes to determine the legality of a gun purchase. I honestly don't know why you guys oppose background checks to weed out felons and fugitives, since it would disproportionately affect niggers it seems like a great idea. Yes, criminals will still get guns through illegal means, but that just forces them to commit yet another crime in order to get one, hopefully leading to stiffer sentences and more prison time. Hell, they may even be caught with it during a traffic stop or drug bust before they commit a violent crime with it.

i dont really care what effect it has on crime. its the basis for a database, and it can be used as a tool to deny people access to firearms. if i were to argue that a law is good or bad based on its effect on crime or safety i would be arguing the pros or cons of a social engineering program rather than outright rejecting the immorality of social engineering itself

and its run by the feds

"Oh no! Not the Bilderberg Gun Database! Now they will be able to send their Black Helicopters to take my guns and fully actualize the Reptiloid/Jewish Agenda!!" :tinfoil:

One of three teens accused of killing 23-year-old Australian Christopher Lane had posted images online showing himself posing with guns and cash. Back in April he tweeted, "90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

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The idea that making it illegal for everyone to sell a gun without a background check would stop criminals from selling each other guns is laughable. The risk vs reward pretty much sums up why a law like that would only effect law abiding citizens, and would do nothing to deter illegal transfers between criminals.

If you're already planning a more serious crime, or are already barred from owning a gun due to a felony then why would a law like that stop you from obtaining a gun?

People say things like, "Well it wouldn't, but it might make it harder for them." lol, isn't crack illegal? And weed? Pretty sure a phone call and a short drive could net me both if I was so inclined. Making it harder doesn't stop crime. At the end of the day a nigger is still going to shoot someone with a gun they shouldn't have been able to purchase.

Then why bother doing background checks at all? Just say "felons and people w/domestic violence raps can't buy guns" and use the honor system?

Do you not see a difference between a commercial business selling a product and Larry fuckshit selling his lawnmower on the side of the road for $50?

Then why bother doing background checks at all? Just say "felons and people w/domestic violence raps can't buy guns" and use the honor system?

I'm just saying it's pointless either way. Background checks are a feel good idea that do little to actually stop bad people from getting their hands on weapons.

No, it's not pointless. The current background check system for the commercial sale of firearms is actually extremely effective at preventing felons from purchasing a firearm. Not only is it a deterrent, "Can't buy a gun legally at the store so why even bother trying when they just gonna deny me?", it also prevents felons from buying guns.

I'm glad background checks make you feel better about the world you live in, but the reality is that criminals do not follow the law, and thus make things like background checks pointless. From a business standpoint I get it. They don't want to be liable for selling a gun to someone who shouldn't have one, but that doesn't change how criminals are obtaining guns. Usually someone who can purchase the gun legally does so, but with the intent of selling it to someone who cannot pass the background check. Thats called a straw purchase, and its a felony. EVEN that law doesn't stop people from doing it.

I'm glad background checks make you feel better about the world you live in, but the reality is that criminals do not follow the law, and thus make things like background checks pointless. From a business standpoint I get it. They don't want to be liable for selling a gun to someone who shouldn't have one, but that doesn't change how criminals are obtaining guns. Usually someone who can purchase the gun legally does so, but with the intent of selling it to someone who cannot pass the background check. Thats called a straw purchase, and its a felony. EVEN that law doesn't stop people from doing it.

See what I'm getting at here?

I see perfectly what you're not getting here. There is a difference between the private and commercial sale of firearms and you're not making that distinction.Felons, gangs, etc. don't purchase firearmsfrom commercial businesses precisely because the background check system (NICS) prevents them from doing this.The issue is how do you implement a system that prevents felons et al from acquiring firearms from private sales without infringing upon the rights of law biding citizens. If you can't think of a way that doesn't infringe on the rights of people, then there shouldn't be such a system in place.