AuthorTopic: Conspiracy Theory (Read 51397 times)

.... take what you've heard, what's in your heart, in your soul, and act- and that doesn't mean violence. expose in an intelligent way. be an intelligence agency, perhaps with a group of friends. tyranny can be slowed, not stopped, short of the unmentionables. be there for your friends, but remember to expose, expose , expose in a way the, what you call "sheep" understand, constantly, on the streets!

JustaCaveman,

Thanks for your suggestions and input on the thread here. I salute you for liking Alex Jones. I like him too, even though he is a blunder-buss of sorts, lol. His enthusiasm sorta spills over, which turns some skeptical people off, but he's genuine and he provides consistent info for those of us who're trying to put all the pieces together. For example: his interview with David Schippers, and his exposure of the human-sacrifice rituals at Bohemian Grove, and many other contributions.

What we are dealing with in today's world does have a core, a dark nest in which hatch the enemies of human kind. We have learned that the manipulation of our nation's currency, monetary manipulation, is not just a local, American, problem, but is being utilized all around the planet by the same small band of death-worshipping globalizing socialist bankers. We know that they use "national debts" to affect the "Policy" of all industrialized nations. We know that by owning our debt the Federal Reserve System, Inc. and its owners also own our seats of governmental power. We know that the death-cult of Skull and Bones and its sister group, the Bohemian Grove, drive Policy in the highest seats of power. We know that they use the power of monetary-control to implement their goals for a one-world government, which they used to call a "New World Order". We know that they have used the tremendous powers of government itself to create the War on Terror. And we know that they feel the need to place America under a military form of government, martial law, the ever-encroaching Police State.

Presently, we are working on the assimilation of many various pieces of fact and info and intelligence. This project is very big indeed, but I see good progress being made in many quarters. The American people are resilient in some ways, and I think that recent events, such as the Kelo ruling by the SCOTUS, coming as it did on the heels of the National ID card law, serve to awaken many more people from the mainsteam. That is part of the reason why The Mental Militia is calling for a "Revelation" instead of a "Revolution". I firmly see that if Americans can be shown the truth of 911 they shall rise up and tear down the mystification which has shielded the criminals inside our seats of governance. They can do that by simply turning their backs on it and walking away from it. That powerful act, in and of itself, needs only the swift and wide spreading of the truth, from one American to the other, from one neighbor to the next, from one family member to the other, from one friend to the next - word of mouth, honest and fearless communication, grass-roots education. It's happening as we speak.

I find myself trying to keep ahead of the rush, as more and more Americans are waking up and posing the problem of "going off half-cocked" with less than the full truth. When Americans begin to learn that their own government has furnished the seats of power which have been used to create this War on Terror, they tend to become quite angry, (to say the least!). My biggest concern at present is looking for ways to control this huge reaction which is about to happen when Americans realize that millions of us know we've been had. We need to make the necessary changes within our government without destroying that government, by simply purging it of the guilty criminals who've been contributing to the massive lies and cover-ups and evil deeds, while at the same time NOT rocking the boat named "The Economy". There is much work to be done, and much guidance is needed for the awakening throngs across this vast land. My message is that nothing needs to be changed, aside from the devolution of government back down to the point at which it can operate within the limitations set forth for it in its own founding legal charter, the U.S. Constitution.

Americans can do this, once they see the source of the problem. Many good Americans right now are working on it. While the Police State continues to drop its iron net of cold tyranny over our heads, I remain filled with a great faith in the nature of Americans. Only a mere few millions of us shall be enough to fashion the needed changes, and the greater masses can continue to sit in front of their damned television sets and delude themselves as they prefer, with on ill effect on our drive to clean up our nation's problems.

One of the purposes of this old thread is to isolate and identify as many of the pieces of the puzzle as possible, and part of my work is the synthisizing of this thread's content into an understandable and orderly and cohesive compilation. I'm working on it, lol!

*Please don't attempt to educate me that Sandburg was a socialist. I know he was a socialist. He was a socialist in the days when unions fought against state backed goons trying to shoot them if they dared to strike. More to the point, he's one of the best wordsmiths to ever walk the planet.*

As those among us who know the values which come of "detachment" from political parties and religions and philosophies shall, I'm sure, all agree, it matters not whether Sandburg was a socialist or not. Hell, George Orwell was a socialist! Worse, Ralph Waldo Emerson, (one of my all-time favorites), allowed the Forbes opium fortune to finance his career - an untidy little fact to which Henry David Throreau at times alluded. But me'n Thoreau still like(d) Emerson.

Regarding the life of Jesus, my understanding is that the only time he waxed violent was when he drove the money-changers from the Temple. In considering that, we should recall that the only coin of the realm in those days which did not bear the face of some Roman Emporer (and was therefore approved for use in the Temple) was the Jewish half-shekel, a pure silver coin - and that coin was the only coin permitted to be used in the Temple, where many of the Jews had to buy their animals for their sacrifices. (Jeez, what a STUPID custom, eh?) Anyway, the money-changers, possessing the monetary power over the activities of the Temple, had taken to charging usury for the use of the coins, and that is what, reportedly, pissed Jesus off - so he ran their asses out! We apparently need to do the same thing here in America, two thousand years later.

Thank you very much for putting that poem here. I had not read it before. Most excellent, it is!

Smoking embers of Sugar Maple, eh? Damn, I miss seeing the sugar maples. The trees out here are much different than those where I grew up and spent most of my weird life. (The occupied Confederate states down South)

Here's what I did today, in celebration of Independence. I let a rancher lady pick me up in her wagon and she drove us over to a ranch some miles south of Willow Creek, where about eighty good country people were gathered amid smiles and good grilled animal "sacrifices". Deer, elk, antelope, beef, pig, and "shicken". No fish, for some reason. Anyway, the feature of the afternoon was the cannon.

Yup, there is a dude who lives here who has made a home-made cannon. He fired it four times this afternoon. It's a biggie! It will shoot a bowling ball up to two miles! Amazing thing to watch!

So spirits were high and the animal sacrifices disappeared in good order, and we didn't see any damned money changers anywhere around the place, and I met two new ladies who made me love Montana all the more. Damn, but there are some fine-assed fillies out here!

Back home before dark, my plans to walk around the corner to Main Street and watch the fireworks got dashed by my cat's concerns over the loud noises, and I found myself having to cuddle with him and reassure him that the goddam Feds aren't storming the place here after all. He really doesn't like fireworks! Since I was worried that his fear could lead him to psychological abnormalities and a sort of catlike PTSD - er, would that be "CTSD"? - I held him and cooed his frightened little self into a quasi state of acceptance of the miseries bestowed upon dumb animals when humans get to cuttin' up. That was actually nice, and it reminded me that I'm Independent of even celebrations about Independence, lol.

Hope the famliiy and yerself are all doing okay back there, and that ye all had a great Independence day. From now on, let's make every day Independence day!

Brothers in Liberty Always,Elias

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"Heirs to self-knowledge shed gently their fears..."

Swein Asleifson

Elias, once upon a time I would've considered anybody who'd even read a thread like this to be a total crackpot. Then some planes crashed into some towers in New York. Unaware at the time that I was a statist (and less aware that I was about to start on my road to recovery), the first reaction I had was, "That eejit monkey in the White House is behind this." It took over 2 years from then to find these forums. It then took several weeks to read through this expanding thread. A salute to you for the hard work and the plausible conclusions which have been drawn.

This must mean that either I've become a total crackpot or that the blinders are coming off.

Elias, once upon a time I would've considered anybody who'd even read a thread like this to be a total crackpot. Then some planes crashed into some towers in New York. Unaware at the time that I was a statist (and less aware that I was about to start on my road to recovery), the first reaction I had was, "That eejit monkey in the White House is behind this." It took over 2 years from then to find these forums. It then took several weeks to read through this expanding thread. A salute to you for the hard work and the plausible conclusions which have been drawn.

This must mean that either I've become a total crackpot or that the blinders are coming off.

Welcome aboard, Swein Asleifson. Thank you for registering and joining in with the ongoing conversations here. And a huge Salute! to you for wading through this thread.

I need to sit down and re-read the whole thang myself, and begin a wrap-up for it. I'm sure some here will never believe that I could think of such a thing - of concluding this thread, lol. But it's true. Someone recently suggested that we make a "Conspiracy Theory Part Two" thread, and that is likely to be what I'll do. But before I do that, I'm wanting to synthesize and organize the content of this monster thread - for several reasons.

1) Junker and I are doing a book on this topic.2) I am almost finished writing a book for the Judiciary Committee of the Montana legislature, House of Reps.3) There is a lot of material here which needs to be organized and sequentiated into a sort of historic timeline.4) I'd really like to see what I think based on the content of this thread.5) Something nice should come of the thread in gratitude for everyone who's contributed to it.

Of course, there's no way for me to know when I'll get the hours to go through this thread with my notebook for the purpose of organizing it, but since it's very central to my perceptions of life in America at present, I'm looking for that slot of time to show up as soon as possible. Just need to finish that book for the legislature, get a newspaper started, and keep up with ongoing correspondences.

As for your "blinders coming off", well, I salute you for being willing to let that happen in your own life. It hasn't been all that long ago that I began the process myself, and I remind myself often these days that I must ever be in a state of flux so that previously-unseen blinders may also come off, allow new blinders (which always creep in unseen) to come off tomorrow. I respect you for being willing to make the metamorphosis. The Red Pill is a wonderful, if lonely, state of mind.

The hot, breaking item of interest at present is this business of that BBC interview in which we learn that there may have been a consequence-management "drill" going on in London the morning of the recent bombings. If that turns out to be true, you'll probably grin at my antics on this thread, lol!

Elias

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"Heirs to self-knowledge shed gently their fears..."

George Potter

M: Oh, yeah! But they're fearful. It's just like the Soviet Union, everyone knew the Soviet Union was a living lie, and the "worker's paradise" etc etc, but everybody's so invested in it the status quo goes on. Everyone knows it's a lie--and you know, we're eventually going to reach that here.R: I think so…M: And that's one reason why my article so struck a nerve, it's like an open wound…R: Somehow American's think they're special, exceptional as you say, that there's something unusual about those Russians that they could have ever have fallen into that pattern. We're totally different people,…M: Tyrants and criminals rule in other lands, but never here, that would never be possible here.

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Junker

Past articles by Morgan Reynolds on LewRockwell.com:Why Did the Towers Collapse? - Morgan Reynolds has a dissenting view.The Bush Bunch in Babylon - And how they lost.Lying Is the Life's Blood of Politics - But c'mon.Skeptical New Yorkers - They doubt the 9/11 commission version of events.Bedtime Stories From Your 9/11 Commission - Morgan Reynolds is skeptical.The New Pearl Harbor - Morgan Reynolds on 9/11 as 80 minutes of unilateral disarmament.The Warmonger-in-Chief - Morgan Reynolds on "find me a way to do this."Causus Belli - Morgan Reynolds on the illiberal ideology of war.Woodrow W. Bush - Been there, done that. Article by Morgan Reynolds.Admit It: the French Were Right - Chewing a freedom fry might help. Article by Morgan Reynolds.- - -Put here for reference. Elias' post to the Civil War thread:---I think that the war was a Rothschild conspiracy.

Go ahead, ping me on that one ... but I'll add some intrigue for ye, such as August Belmont, head of the Democratic Party, New York financier on the payroll of the House of Rothschild, and confidant with Albert Pike, James Bulloch, Judah Benjamin, John Slidell of Louisiana, and others who infiltrated the southern states' governments at the highest levels and led them into secession. It was a British plot to break the union into two smaller sectors for easier management.

August Belmont was British banking liaison between England and Judah Benjamin. Judah Benjamin ran the Confederate Secret Service and at times directed General Albert Pike. Judah Benjamin sent James Bulloch to England to oversee the marketing of Southern cotton which could get past the Yankee blockades. August Belmont negotiated the politics and money trails between England, New York, and Judah Benjamin. Bulloch helped arrange the British bonds which assisted in the funding of the Confederacy's military. Bulloch was Teddy Roosevelt's uncle and a buddy with Albert Pike, which has something to do with Pike's bronze statue being the only Confederate statue in Washington DC today. Oh ... and every one of them were illuminati masons, 33rd degree. In fact, Pike wrote "Morals and Dogma", the handbook of British freemasonry.

There are two very large misconceptions in America today. The first has to do with the illusion that George Washington's army defeated the British during our American Revolution. The revolutionary army defeated the British on the battlefield, but did not drive the British out of our country, nor did George Washington's revolutionary army stop the Tory business with England, which prospered handily after the Revolution in the British opium-running business which led to the Opium Wars of the mid-1800s.. The second huge misconception has to do with for whom, exactly, the Cheney-Bush Junta works. Hint: it ain't Halliburton, and it ain't Carlyle Group. ---

September 11 Victim Families who Fought to Create the 9/11 Commission Declare it a Failure on the First Anniversary of the 9/11 Report. - 9/11 families join researchers to ask independent media and the foreign press for help

WASHINGTON - July 21 - On Friday, July 22, 2005, one year to the day after the release of the "9/11 Commission Report," Project Censored founder, Dr. Peter Phillips will lead a National Press Club briefing entitled "The Failure of the 9/11 Commission Report and the Mainstream Media's Disregard." The briefing will feature scores of detailed examples of the Commission's flawed findings, self-censorship, misrepresentations and conflicts of interest that call the accuracy and integrity of their entire investigation into doubt.

Lead presenters are 9/11 family members and Family Steering Committee cofounders, Monica Gabrielle, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie Van Auken. After the FSC members' 18 months of lobbying finally forced a 9/11 investigation and the Commission's creation, they submitted hundreds of unanswered questions that Commissioner Jamie Gorelick promised would be their investigation's "road map". However, by these courageous widows' count, the Commission ignored approximately 70% of their concerns, and also suppressed important evidence and whistleblower testimony that challenged the official story on many fronts.

Next, renowned theologian, Dr. David Ray Griffin, will address "9/11 and the Mainstream Press." Griffin's new book, "The 9/11 Commission Report - Omissions and Distortions," analyzes over 115 specific lies, omissions and misrepresentations contained in the final document. He not only details individual lies and the larger patterns they form, he also documents glaring conflicts of interest within the Commission, especially the executive staff who steered, shaped and effectively wrote the final report.

After Dr. Griffin, four-time Emmy award winner and "Weapons of Mass Deception" producer Danny Schechter will examine the corporate media's vital role and proven tactics in defending "official story" explanations of events like 9/11, Abu Graib, and the "War on Terror" as whole.

There will also be a presentation by British researcher Nafeez Ahmed, whose first 9/11 book, "The War on Freedom" is now an award-winning bestseller in Europe. Mr. Ahmed's new book "The War on Truth" is already being hailed by geo-political scholars as the definitive deconstruction of the official 9/11 myth thus far.

This briefing is especially designed for the independent media and foreign press, and kicks off the DC Emergency Truth Convergence, an unprecedented three-day series of collaborative events between diverse truth movement researchers, veteran & victim family advocates, and indie media activists. See http://truthemergency.us for details.

According to Convergence spokesperson Peter Phillips, "The events of September 11 not only took thousands of innocent American lives, they have been repeatedly used to justify previously unthinkable policies of domestic repression, preemptive attacks, torture, and endless war.

"We know most of these policies had been championed by powerful voices within this government long before 9/11, but without these outrageous 'surprise attacks' they could have never come to pass. If the 9/11 Report is dangerously inaccurate, as more and more evidence now indicates, the nation still needs an honest investigation of what really happened and why no one has ever been held accountable. In particular, we need to know whether the behavior of officials who seem to have profited most handsomely from 9/11 and its dark wake should be looked at once again.

"Since we are anxious to get this crucial challenge to the American public and world at large, we are extending a special invitation to the independent media community and foreign journalists, who have a far better track record of investigating governmental deceit and exposing official treachery than the US corporate media."

This one should be very good. I have not read his book yet, but it came in this past week and I've looked at the first few pages, which, so far, are validating things already on this thread. But I see with pleasure that Gore Vidal has a blurb on the back cover of the book, and I'm excited to think that this book (and author) may match-up with "Crossing The Rubicon" by Mike Ruppert as a "must-have" book. (But jeez, who's got time to read all the good stuff that's pouring out nowadays, eh? Thanks to the Internet, I'm hopeful that we can finally prove the Cheney-Bush Junta's guilt in 911 while the bastards are still in office. This book, "The War on Truth", is another plank in that platform. Here's the alert on the author's upcoming TV broadcast:

Please forward and post these details far and wide. This is a vitally important C-SPAN broadcast and deserves widespread attention. Please record the airing and share it with friends, colleagues and family. Thank you.

C-SPAN's BookTV has informed 9/11 CitizensWatch that they will broadcast the Beyond Downing Street Town Hall meeting featuring Nafeez M. Ahmed, author of The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism, on Saturday, July 30 at 8PM EST, Sunday, July 31 at 1PM EST and 1:15AM Monday, August 1st (late Sunday night).

This presentation by eminent researcher Ahmed was recorded at the American University during the Washington, D.C. Emergency Truth Convergence [www.truthemergency.us] last Saturday, July 23 from 4-5:30PM.

One of my favorite people is a black woman with fire in every cell of her body, the Honorable Cynthia McKinney, (D, GA). Cynthia McKinney, operating within the U.S. Congress, "knows". She has access to info, connections, and a format through which to speak her mind. And she does speak - right out loud, up close and personal. Here is a stream of the un-official hearing on the 911 Commission Report.

Since I'm on dial-up, I've not seen this entire stream yet, but am posting it here for interested researchers. I believe Ahmed, David R. Griffin, and others join McKinney on this one. Enjoy....

Has anyone read any of Jim Marrs books? Is he credible? I'm reading "rule by secrecy", which will curl your hair...he seems to have lots of resources, but it's really hard to determine if he's telling the truth and everyone else isn't (it's hard to be in the minority). What he says seems to make sense...but if he's anything near correct...yikes...

Junker

"of 223 representatives who received accommodation from the bank at a rate of a thousand pounds apiece, during its struggle with Jackson."

Loans or gifts? IAC, let's see, that's 223,000 pounds, at $4.50 per pound is $1m, in old dollars, times around 100 for currently inflated dollars, gives about a hundred million dollars of bribery trying to defeat Jackson's attempt to scuttle the US central bank.

But of course, much history has met that black hole. Still, so much leads back to the money changers.

I congratulate Elias, and all who contributed to this thread. I just finished wading through this entire thread. It is frightening how pervasive the partially open, partially secret, conspiracy is. It is important to know who is involved, and why, if we are ever to stop this conspiracy and reclaim our freedoms. This thread gives me some hope that I am not alone.

I congratulate Elias, and all who contributed to this thread. I just finished wading through this entire thread. It is frightening how pervasive the partially open, partially secret, conspiracy is. It is important to know who is involved, and why, if we are ever to stop this conspiracy and reclaim our freedoms. This thread gives me some hope that I am not alone.

ShortyDawkins,Thank you very much for caring about freedom enough to wade through this lengthy thread, and thank you for sharing your reaction to its content. No, you're not alone, and your post reminds me that I am not alone either. Thank you sincerely for the encouragement.Salute!Elias