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Pratt: Gun Control Leads to War Between White Christians and Black Atheists

Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, the group that thinks the NRA is a bunch of weak-kneed liberals, is still spouting some absolutely crazy things. On a wingnut radio show recently he claimed that gun control was going to bring on a war between white, straight Christians and black Muslims and atheists.

Pratt: We’re up against people who know exactly what they want to do and how they want to do it. We had four years to watch them when they were somewhat guarded but now, certainly for Obama, he doesn’t care and you can tell already he’s making his moves and it’s not going to be pretty. I’m getting the sense; I have never heard so many people talk about the fact that they think that there is inevitably going to be some kind of social implosion, some kind of neighbor-against-neighbor; that these folks in power are seeking that kind of a confrontation and that it would be a wonderful surprise if it did not happen.

Solomon: I’ve said on this show on a couple of occasions that I believe that in the year 2013 we’re going to see an explosion of attacks on halves by have-nots. But more specifically on white halves by black have-nots; more specifically on Christian, heterosexual white haves by black, Muslim and/or atheist — not that there’s much difference — black have-nots. It’s just what I see. I believe if you are a white person in this country, and this holds for all quality people of any color, but I’m saying specifically if you are a white, heterosexual, Christian, working, married person, if you don’t have a gun on you, know how to use it and make sure that everyone in your family who is of age has a weapon and knows how to use it, there is at least a substantial chance that you and/or some member of your family will be hurt and/or killed.

Pratt: I don’t think there’s anything stretching to say that. I think there are people who really want to bring violence about because they see that as the engine of social change. That’s exactly the target for the Alinskyites. I think they must figure that they have got their guy in power, they will then have some of the agencies of the police powers of the state at their back and this is the time to go for it.

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I’ve said on this show on a couple of occasions that I believe that in the year 2013 we’re going to see an explosion of attacks on halves by have-nots. But more specifically on white halves by black have-nots; more specifically on Christian, heterosexual white haves by black, Muslim and/or atheist — not that there’s much difference — black have-nots.

So which is President Obama; a black Muslim or an atheist? I’m guessing to Pratt and Solomon the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Black Americans are about 1% Muslim and about 11% none. There are about 39 million black Americans, so we’re talking well under 5 million people here, especially when you figure that most of the nones are not atheists. White Christians outnumber them at least 30:1. Pratt also says these scary black people are poor. How exactly will this violent takeover against a much larger and wealthier group work?

Ace of Sevens“Black Americans are about 1% Muslim and about 11% none. There are about 39 million black Americans, so we’re talking well under 5 million people here…”
Yes, but you’re forgetting how big and powerful scary dogwhistles are. The only way they could be more powerful is if they joined a union.

And when someone who takes these guys seriously shoots up a mosque or some African American politician it won’t be their fault, oh no. It will be the fault of Hollywood and video games. Or, better yet, it will be because the mosque members or politician weren’t armed to the teeth. If they’d been “real Americans” they’d all be packing Desert Eagles and fire at the first sign of trouble.

“Alinskyites”!!! Ha! I bet he’s never read any Alinsky. Cracking good stuff, it is. It’s all about standing up the establishment and how to organize for the betterment of your community. You know, jesus-like stuff.

The projection re: “Alinskyite” tactics is really astonishing. Back in my personal bad old times, about seven years ago, I worked for a right-wing think tank in DC. They handed out “Rules for Radicals” and told us to learn all we could from it. I wish their hypocrisy would stop surprising me – it’s really very tiring.

Do Beck and Pratt have a bet like the one that L. Ron Fuckbag was rumored to have? To see who can SEEM teh batshit KKKrazzeeist, instead of just BEING teh batshit KKKrazzeeist? f so, they’re both winning.

That and firebombings of mosques happens all the time already. Wade Page decided to be different and attacked a Sikh temple. A Sikh temple? We don’t know why he chose the Sikhs except they were brown skinned.

Seven US mosques attacked in last few days | AAJ News
www. aaj.tv/2012/08/ seven-us-mosques-attacked-in-last-few-days/

Aug 15, 2012 – Sunday 3, March 2013 … Seven US mosques attacked in last few days … there have been seven cases of vandalism and attacks on mosques …

I haven’t yet found a comprehensive site, but it is probably a few dozen mosques attacked per year. The xians firebombed the mosque near my house.

Keep in mind that many white Americans overestimate the number of non-white Americans. In fact, conservatives imagine that 29% of us are Black, while here in reality it’s only about 12%. And those opposed to interracial marriage put the figure at nearly 38%.

Crommunist wrote about this last October, and included a handy chart, in his post called “Making It Count”.

Forgot to add: Am I the only one who sees stuff like this and Beck’s civil war stuff as something these morons deeply desire?

They absolutely do. It would be a confirmation of everything they believe: That nonwhites are violent subhumans, that white liberals are stupid and weak, progresive ideals will destroy society and lead to everyone’s ruin, and that their brand of he-man me and my guns and my bros against the world macho bullshit is the only viable way to live.

Not that I care much which wing-nut is spouting this racist, bigoted screed, but why is Pratt being attributed with Soloman’s prediction of a race war brought on by gun control?

I was thinking the same thing. Solomon said it, not Pratt, though Pratt agreed with it. The RightWingWatch link Ed put in had the same focus: its title was “Larry Pratt Agrees Race War Will Pit ‘Christian, Heterosexual White Haves’ Against ‘Black Muslim and/or Atheist … Have-Nots'”. The only reason I can think of for this is that while it is scary that someone might believe this, it is much more scary if the person believing it is head of a gun nut org.

The bad news is that there is no bottom to the pit of stupidity, projection, and fear.

The good news is that we have been over this territory many times before. The story about brown have-nots rising up to plunder the white and wealthy is a perennial favorite.

The south has over 200 years of living in fear of slave uprisings. That was where the ‘militia’ line in the 2nd amendment came from. Militias, pretty much all the of-age white men, were the mechanism that suppressed slave rebellions.

Charlie Manson was trying to start a race war in the 60s. An uprising of the brown skinned folk and “the golden hoard” — for context Google the term in the context of “survival” and disasters — goes back to the 70s.

The specifics have changed quite a bit but the basic story line hasn’t changed since … what … 1830?

there is a hard limit to projection (a perfect 1-1 ratio) after which point youre just accusing people of random shit and its no longer projecting), and while theyre rapidly approaching, they arent quite there yet.

I am a white heterosexual atheist in an interracial marriage. I am non-violent and do not own a gun. Which side am I supposed to be on?

Wingut response:

“Well, I can see why you’re confused. You’re just in denial of the fact that you are a violent radical just waiting to kill us honest white folk. Likely you have been corrupted by your spouse.”

/wingnut

I have known many, many of these RWAs that are convinced there is no such thing as a gay person or an atheist. All homosexuals are really just sinning heteros, and atheists really are just believers that are angry at God.

I wish I was kidding.

It’s all just projection and denial on their part, of course, which suggests an underlying pathology to even a 2st year psych student. But…. try to get anyone from the APA or AMA to acknowledge that officially.

Let’s assume for a moment that they’re right and that there is brewing violence and discontent in the ‘have-not’ classes. Perhaps that’s a sign that their frakked up unequal and discriminatory society might be a bad thing? Interesting how their solution is not to inroduce social policies to rectify the gross inequalities between the classes but simply to arm every man woman and child to hang onto their unearned privilege. They would rather risk death every time they leave their front door than let go of any of their power and wealth.

Ed can defend himself but I don’t think the characterization of Pratt as “saying” there was going to be a race war is functionally different than his “agreeing” with Solomon, who did say it.

In any case, what’s with Solomon’s saying this:

“I’m saying specifically if you are a white, heterosexual, Christian, working, married person, if you don’t have a gun on you, know how to use it and make sure that everyone in your family who is of age has a weapon and knows how to use it, there is at least a substantial chance that you and/or some member of your family will be hurt and/or killed.”

why does solomon hate unemancipated white MurKKKan youth? Look, gunzlawz that keep teh kiddies from hazzin’ teh gunz is B-B-B-B-BAD! Why would I have a handcannon on me at all times, uparm the spare rib and any children of age bit leave those of tender years unable to defend themselves? Do you know where most kidz get infected with liberal cooties? SKUL, that’s where! one11ty!! My kidz witout teh gunz in SKUL, that’s SLAVERY!!!