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running a marineland duel bio wheel filter. I changed out the filters inside the same day as I added the fish. not the wheels but the carbon filters. And I added a cave to the tank(washed off) and moved things around some.

temp is at 74.
it looked like the pleco got stuck between a air hose and the wall and drowned.

not sure what happened to the frog. he was just laying on the bottom belly up.'

Did you quarantine them first? Is it possible they were victims of aggression?

I didnt Q them. MY Q tank is messed up. but I have never had a fish die I usually add seachams stability when I dont Q them.
he was the largest in the tank.. so i doubt he was a victim of aggressive behavior.

Originally Posted by ScottishFish

How highs the 50G? Probably too high for it to swim up and down for air.

its 20" I didnt even think of that..

He wasnt really active at all the whole 2 days he was in there.. so maybe he was stressed and died from being to scared to swim around and get air?

Any major parameter differences between the shops and you? Can you detail your acclimation process for us?

Gas mileage isn't everythingOIIIIIIIOLack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.Why pretend there are no stupid questions? Actually, There are many stupid questions: "Should I drink this bleach?" Is just one example.
Having said that, Just because it's a stupid question doesn't mean that it shouldn't be asked. It's better to know.A warm beer is better than a cold beer. Because nothing is better than a cold beer, and a warm beer is better than nothing.

More than likely an ammonia spike - esp. frogs are extremely senistive to even very small spikes. Your filter is underrated for that tank and the amount of stocking; just the two bio-wheels alone is too little and the amount of bacteria wasn't large enough to prevent a small spike. The charcoal in the holders is 100% worthless for bio-action and you need to remove the charcoal and stuff those things with fiber floss to add more bacteria growth area asap.

Knowledge is fun(damental)

A 75 gal with eight Discus, fake plants, and a lot of wood also with sand substrate. Clean up crew is down to just two Sterba's Corys. Filters: continuous new water flow; canister w/UV, in-tank algae scrubber!! Finally, junked the nitrate removal unit from hell.

More than likely an ammonia spike - esp. frogs are extremely senistive to even very small spikes. Your filter is underrated for that tank and the amount of stocking; just the two bio-wheels alone is too little and the amount of bacteria wasn't large enough to prevent a small spike. The charcoal in the holders is 100% worthless for bio-action and you need to remove the charcoal and stuff those things with fiber floss to add more bacteria growth area asap.

why does it say it has a max of an 80 gallon tank.
mine is alittle under 50.

why does it say it has a max of an 80 gallon tank.
mine is alittle under 50.

The short version is that the real world effectiveness of your filter is roughly half of what it says on the box, And here's why:

Generally speaking, A filters flow rate is tested with no media in them. This is obviously not how a filter is run in the real world so when you add media the flow is limited.
When that media gets gunked up as is par for the course [But that's also when it is effective] the filters actual flow capacity retreats even farther from the laboratory conditions that the print copy on the box claims.
Make sense?

Floss is good Bio-max would be better IMO.

I repeat:

Originally Posted by 850R

'Messed up', What does that mean?

Any major parameter differences between the shops and you? Can you detail your acclimation process for us?

Gas mileage isn't everythingOIIIIIIIOLack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.Why pretend there are no stupid questions? Actually, There are many stupid questions: "Should I drink this bleach?" Is just one example.
Having said that, Just because it's a stupid question doesn't mean that it shouldn't be asked. It's better to know.A warm beer is better than a cold beer. Because nothing is better than a cold beer, and a warm beer is better than nothing.

Pleco's do not belong in new tanks, either. They nearly always starve to death. I doubt he got stuck. They get in and out of very small places but he probably died and just ended up where he was due to water movement.

The short version is that the real world effectiveness of your filter is roughly half of what it says on the box, And here's why:

Generally speaking, A filters flow rate is tested with no media in them. This is obviously not how a filter is run in the real world so when you add media the flow is limited.
When that media gets gunked up as is par for the course [But that's also when it is effective] the filters actual flow capacity retreats even farther from the laboratory conditions that the print copy on the box claims.
Make sense?

Floss is good Bio-max would be better IMO.

I repeat:

ill def double the filtration then.. I dont want to lose any more fish. it had me pretty sad yesterday.