I've done a little research this morning. but haven't found the problem yet , except it will run fine on my build box Which is a clean minimal install of VL 6.0 and it gives the error message and won't run on my full install box, Which leads me to believe their is a conflict with some other program installed in the full install just don't know which one yet. I upgraded my full install box to python 2.6.1 and though it did not fix the problem it did change the error message. So I'm stuck for the moment. Will time permitting take another look later.