Without capitalism, there could be no undue influence of money in politics. Without capitalism, trade would be truly free. Without capitalism, the financial sector would be an embarassing relic of the past, a warning to future generations. Without capitalism, there can be no neoliberalism.

Anticapitalism is the true big tent. Whether or not you think the reforms proposed and enacted by various Occupy-related groups (like StrikeDebt, Occupy Sandy and the Occupy Card) will fix the systemic problems of capitalism, they are campaigns worth supporting. They provide temporary relief to people who need the most and allow us to experiment with alternatives. This is a good thing. But we can't let a good treatment distract us from a cure. Without addressing the underlying cause of capitalism, these problems will only get worse.

Globalization will continue to send jobs overseas. Technology will continue to automate human labor and obsolete the professions of millions of workers who will have no choice but to adapt. But for those who can't adapt to the new economy, the sentence under capitalism is death. This is because capitalism denies the necessities for human survival (like food, housing, and health care) to those unable to sell themselves to corporations. Even in times of plenty when you'd think we'd have to work less and less.

The end of capitalism means the beginning of your new life - a life where your home cannot be taken from you by force to maintain the bottom-line of a multi-billion dollar company that pays less in taxes than you; a life where you own your future; a life where politics represents you. The end of capitalism means the life you’ve always wanted but never thought you could have. The end of capitalism means freedom.

As we come together on #S17 it is important that as we oppose the institutions that capitalism has created to oppress us, that we oppose capitalism as well. If we allow ourselves to be held hostage by the symptoms of our disease we will never find our way to the cure. The cure, as we knew and demonstrated two years ago, is revolution.

Two years after Occupy Wall Street was founded we are still here, and so are our problems. On September 17th, and every day - take the street, take your jobs, take back your money, take back your power. Organize.

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I just listened with disgust to "Morning Joe" hosts claiming that raising the minimum wage would harm employment. Perhaps, they even discussed, we should "throw out" the minimum wage altogether. Really? A minimum wage, they say, hurts employers. Joe, did succumb and say that maybe a company like Walmart could pay a living wage, but he declared, it would be too difficult for McDonald's and Burger King. Really?

So, profits are all that matter, and god forbid we limit the profits of the fat cats. Let them eat cake! they say.

It is just this kind of attitude that makes me declare that capitalism, as an economic system, needs to go altogether. Because, obviously, it is way too difficult to get the wealthy and capitalists to act like human beings and share the profits with the people so that the people aren't living in the gutter.

Even these tv hosts, we pay their big salaries, we pay because we pay for the freaking cable bills that ultimately pay their salaries. We pay for the advertisements when we purchase goods. It's wrong. This system is an abject failure.

Because I am 50, I can remember a time when Capitalism wasn't as evil as it is now. My family went from being poor to being middle class. But capitalism has changed, and people on the right seem to be the last ones to realize this. How can you lift yourself by your bootstraps when the bootstraps have been taken away?

The idea is to come up with a SOLUTION we are FOR and stop being AGAINST things. We can be FOR A NEW CONCEPT for example: CoCapitalism. The concept details can be worked out that provides a solution we the 99% can accept! This way, the capitalists can begin to understand that we like money but want to be fair about how it spreads. We have to STOP being against everything.
Here are a couple of suggestions:
Every state has a state referendum so we the people can put a bill on the ballot. for example: a bill that gives Congress the same health program the rest of us have and they don't get it for the rest of their lives. Do you think they will ever put that to a vote?
2. Public time from every tv station. The FCC owns the rights to broadcasting and give licences to stations so every station is required to devote x time for a public debate for every election:
3. Publicly funded campaigns. Every time we file our tax return, we donate to this cause. THIS IS CRITICAL or we continue to be run by corporations.
There is a good start. Let's work FOR THIS.

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The movement needs a benefactor to fund a long range grass roots movement at the precinct level and an infrastructure of think tanks and propaganda organs. That's how the Koch brothers and the rest of their ilk took over the conservative districts of the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is ripe for a takeover, having sold out to Wall Street and become Republican Lite on economic matters. They follow the same austerity driven economics that was appropriate to a country on the gold standard. Modern Money Theory is the economics of the future that is appropriate to a country with country with a fiat currency and its proponents advocate a federal guaranteed jobs buffer to keep labor in employment at all times to maintain their skills and esteem. Alignment of the 99% movement with MMT will put it on a positive path to getting the sponsorship it needs for a comprehensive, long term footing to wrest control of the Democratic Party from those who have sold out to Wall Street.

We were discussing your misunderstanding of the term 'anarcho-communist' and how you perceive it to be a contradiction. This is because you weren't aware that 'anarchism' is a more nuanced position than simply 'no government'.

Then you made very ironic comments about people not understanding 'nuance' and having 'no idea'.

Alternate business models are springing up, worker owned, green focused...etc..Capitalism must be phased out gradually. We don't have the power to simply tell them to stop and as they continue to squeeze, their system moves nearer to collapse. Working on many simultaneous fronts, consumer education, nondenominational spiritual education(to counter the greed/fear paradigm), using local banks, boycotts, supporting local business instead of the multinationals, voting out politicians who support TPP like entities.

Join the growing list of Americans to Save Our Democracy and Our Financial System from the "Society of Chaos"...........HOW..............
Join US (see google) Matt Taibbi, Nomi Prins, Irving Picard, Jim Evanhoe,
Chris Swecker, Barlett & Steele, the truth from Brooks Born, Valerie Plame-Wilson, Vincent Bugliosi, Ralph Nader, Rand Paul, and millions more
Americans...in calling for the End to the Society of Chaos, end and convict To Big To Fail, To Big to Prosecute, Obama and Holder must step down or face criminal obstruction of justice charges, criminal (deliberate) negligence, racketeering, political bribes and kickbacks.
Are they Domestic Terrorists, have they committed Sedition and Treason? Absolutely.

"The future is our responsibility, but change will not take place until the majority lose confidence in their dictator’s and elected officials’ ability to solve problems. It will likely take an economic catastrophe resulting in enormous human suffering to bring about true social change." - Jacque Fresco

I never liked the violent revolution scenario and I don't see why so many must suffer in a transition to sanity. There is something attractive about the idea of wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch but just as capitalism has slowly bled the world out, so it must be bled by alternate system taking away its air. imo

"[A Resource-Based Economy] is in the application of the methods of science with human concern and environmental concern. If we used the scientific method throughout the world, the probability of war drops to zero. The probability of human suffering disappears. Deprivation, poverty, crime - all those things tend to disappear because there's no basis. I'm strictly concerned with the environment that people are raised in and if that environment is altered, so will behaviors be altered." - Jacque Fresco

The Venus Project, however it is implemented, is the logical next step from where we are now. Get the automation up, and you eliminate effectively every problem we have. A similar, albeit decentralised variation of this is that of open source ecology - I'll leave you guys to look it up. But remember it is pointless to criticise the system without offering superior alternatives.

I have.....watched-researched everything i can find on TVP..for the past 7-8yrs and all the underlining elements that go along with it. I posted some comments related to TVP. I wasn't sure if occupy even knew about TVP. I never hear it talked about or see it posted on social media that occupy uses to spread information. I've tried sharing it on OWS Facebook pages, they never share it. SO i stopped paying attention to those pages for the most part.

Capitalism has become the dominant system because it is led by sociopaths who manipulate governments and kill people for a profit. All markets need to be highly regulated for safety of product, ecologically sustainable products, workers rights, respect for the sovreignty of other nations...etc. with permanent fair rules for trade. When a "person" violates those rules, they need to be banned from participation in the market and sent to prison and the company must make restitution for the violation plus a penalty.

The basic idea of capitalism is not that it is led by sociopaths who manipulate governments and kill people for a profit. That is a possible outcome however if there is too much blind faith in capitalism, but governments can also kill on their own, and even more so if there is blind faith in government.

If you want rules, they probably need to be democratically agreed upon. But if they don't work, what do you do? Think of prohibition or drug trafficking? I only propose an idea that may be more efficient. That is the only way you may change the system. Natural Money seems more humane to me, but it is difficult to know in advance how it will work out.

Everyone..just tonight 9/11/2013 Channel DSC ran a program entitled
The President's GateKeepers. An a tempt to say George W. Bush and
Henry Paulson had no idea the financial system because of the criminal
fraud by GoldmanSachs, where Paulson had been Chairman and CEO, and AIG and Moodys defrauded National and Global investors, nations,etc.
out of 100s of billions, was about to collapse. This program is a complete
fabrication by corrupt government officials, wall street and the George HW Bush family the creators of the "Society of deliberate Chaos" . Through their perversion spanning 35 years. This country was made to financially
collapse, 13 years out of 29 years, enter needless wars either "Let to Happen or Created." Recessions:
George HW Bush recession and financial mis-management.deliberate!
1988.89.90.91.92
George W Bush recession and financial mis-management. deliberate!
2008,09,10,11,12,13
and Henry Paulson and GoldmanSach in March of 2000 started the
deliberate sell off of the tech market, Getting Out from the TOP, in order to "level the political playing field economically" for George W Bush...Bush's reward to Paulson the US Treasury Sec. and the ability to eventually bailout GoldmanSachs. And the BS "to Big to Fail".
These guys are 100% Domestic Terrorists both Financial and Social.
Should be tried, convicted and put to Death of Treason, Terrorism and
Sedition.
Here is how they did it:
Starting with Bill & Hillary Clinton get off from criminal investigations
of the "whitewater" real estate deals in Arkansas, after traveling to Republican Max C., Chapman Jr's ranch in the Tetons,
there James Wolfensohn, Dan Cook the III, Max etc. made the Clintons
a deal and later after the "Blue Dress and Monica" Clinton signed the
death to the GlassSteagall Act...by signing Gramm of Texas act
the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106–102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999. Pelosi signed it as well. This opened up our financial
system to the Biggest Bush Ripoff in Global History.
2000 Clintons take a $12 million dollar deal for consulting and speeches from GoldmanSachs their payoff.
Now steps in the "Classic Con-Man" Fed. Chairman Alan Greenspan
and his deliberate deregulation and with great parties at Enron getting an award by Bush buddies and again and again up at Jackson Hole with Walter Scott Jr see google on Level 3 and Warren Buffett. So the Fed Chairman is in on it from the very beginning. Not maybe 100% see articles by Matt Taibbi of the "Rollingstone" magazine.
Now that Paulson in March at GoldmanSachs destroyed the Tech Boom
selling out from the top and GW Bush gets in Our Financial System is
ripped off completely by George W Bush, Henry Paulson, GoldmanSachs
and CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Arthur Levitt at the SEC who could have saved
our financial system and deliberately didnt moves into a job with the Carlyle Group another criminal element of financial corruption, buddies
of George HW Bush see google on both. Now to bail their cronies out
they play it as if they didnt know. But again its all on paper and in their
own stock actions, example Dan Cook the III stock sells prior to the Collapse in October 2008.
So are these criminals Domestic Terrorists? absolutely! and they are being
deliberately protected by Obama and Holder, none of them have been prosecuted, put on trial or convicted, Not in 2000 and Not in 2008 or 09 or 10 or 11 or 12 or 13.....making Obama one of them...against All the Rest of US. Domestic Terrorism by Wall Street, and Government Officials.

The way this Democracy has been ripped off by the Likes OF:
George HW Bush the creator of "The Society of "Deliberate" Chaos"
Henry Paulson (learned corruption from Richard M Nixon then in 2000
destroyed the TECH BOOM to bring GW Bush to power, at the time Chairman of GoldmanSachs, then GW Bush US Treasury Sec. allowing
To Big To Fail)
George W Bush (idiot son of the Creator of "the Society of Chaos")
Lloyd Blankfein (Domestic Terrorist, Chairman of GoldmanSachs and orchestrator, the one who destroyed the Western
World's Economies along with AIG and Moodys)
Eliot Sptizer (corrupt NY State Attorney General who was paid off by GoldmanSachs and allowed the ripoff by GoldmanSachs March of 2000)
Timothy Geithner (corrupt NY Banker & US Treasury Sec. under Obama)
Obama (corrupt President letting HSBC Bank launder Global
drug cartels drug money their cut 20%) (Obama's cut life long
financial security from HSBC and global Drug Cartels), allowing
to big to fail not to be prosecuted: Blankfein, Paulson, Levitt, GHW Bush
and GWBush. Alan Greenspan (the Classic Con-man) covered for them
all, with his BS lines.
Arthur Levitt (former SEC Chairman allowing the GoldmanSachs
"to Get Out from the Top" investor fraud, financial fraud March of
2000. then with the Carlyle Group a criminal organization controlled
by GHW Bush cronies, they along with Level 3 Communications, owner
Walter Scott Jr. listen to your Cell Calls and illegally harass you!)
The major news organizations-networks CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, etc. failed
to protect our Democracy, Our Financial System, our children
from the above listed BS wars and failed economies.
14 years out of the last 30 years the USA has been in recession
because of Presidential corruption, Wall Street corruption, equaling
Domestic Terrorism against the population of America and the World.
They have been warned and still they continue, putting them on trial
and giving them Death for Domestic Terrorism must and will take
place.
Recession allowed to happen or from their needless wars
1988,89,90,91 and part of 92
2000,2001 and part of 2002
2008, 09,10, 11, 12,13>>>>
End Capitalism by "the Society of deliberate Chaos"
domestic terrorists, financial and social = death!
that's is my opinion and those of the majority of Americans,
not maybe absolutely!
Death to their corrupt Capitalism.
Jim Evanhoe

The coop card seems like a capitalistic compromise. I'm not saying that's bad. There needn't be an end to capitalism entirely. But without guidelines, without ethics, morality and a commitment to posterity and duty for the future, we are seeing what a failure capitalism is. A good analogy would be Suzanne Somers talking on Sean Hannity some years back stating that she's against socialized medicine like Canada. (Her husband is a doctor). Yes, and doctors from other countries want to flood here were they can take advantage of low taxes and ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS ASTRONOMICAL MEDICAL COSTS. In short, she's a greedy wench. Doctors in Canada and Britain make fine salaries They are paid according to their profession and years of service. Instead, what we have is a corrupt system of doctors who are assured patients through insurance and they want to see as many as they can in the span of an hour so they can charge hundreds of dollars times ten. They tack on services you don't need. You spend more time with an assistant than you do an actual doctor and then you find services you never asked for or needed tacked on to the bill. You want to know how well doctors do? Drive by their house. Yet their taxes go up a half percent and they scream bloody murder about big government, the same big government that takes all the kickbacks from the insurance companies. I'm with those rich doctors. We don't need big government...just like we don't need insurance companies who decide what they'll cover and not and doctors who devise services we don't need while we get deprived of what we do need. A vicious game all centered on unadulterated greed. What happened to the doctor's oath to the patient? They'll say they honor it BUT THEY ARE LYING. If the government flat out told the insurance companies they will pay for any service needed PERIOD, and doctors charged for only what was needed. instead of what they want to treat you for to make more money and spent the time with the patient. Whatever time is need...one minute or two hours. No doubt malpractice would go wayyyy dowwwn. But, my guess is they lie about that too. To be moral and ethical, you shouldn't pay for any doctor that doesn't have your best interests at heart. Then greed doesn't exist. You measure your life by the people you save, not how you enrich yourself while driving people into insanity and death. And ioh, let's not forget the pharmaceutical companies. But my fingers are tired.

Capitalism is the ownership of the means of production by private owners. Having nothing but coops would mean capitalism would be dead and socialism would be in its place since, as is the textbook definition of socialism, the workers would be in control of the means of production.

All capitalism is is the ownership of the means of production by people who solely benefit from others' work. Their "jobs" at the top could be eliminated and spread out among the workers (or even given to in-company elected).

what about mom-and-pop stores? insurance? medicine? home loans? no doubt it gets complicated. What if one coop is forced into non-existence by another? I think all the labels and pre-prescribed anecdotes need abandoning and a combination of philosophies tempered by ethical and moral code. Also, what makes sense? The Chinese have a law whereby you can only have 2 children, (or something like that). In a country where you 5 times the population of anyone else, (except India). Is it any wonder we see our lovely capitalist captains replacing our work force with them? Capitalism is failing very badly because it has been for 40 years. The 2 problems that exist today are 1-There are still a vast number of lunkheads in this country that can't see what's happening right in front of them, nor will they admit it while they benefit from it and 2-A rush to replace it will the result of complete despair. Any attempt to replace it must be well-thought out and have checks and balances along the way. People will have to admit when they are wrong and let something that works step in. I say that because we are severely lacking in people who'll admit when they are wrong today. I agree a collective can agree what's best for a collective as opposed to a few people. I just don't think it applies in all situations.