Aarontology:Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.

Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?

Aarontology:Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?

No, because once Obama takes them away, you'll be liable for felony possession of a scary black assault-style gun and if you wanted to play hero, maybe spend a few months at the Academy first.

"A black SUV appeared, and rapid gun fire was focused on the vehicle," Dyson wrote in a statement provided to the Globe, referring to the vehicle Tsarnaev allegedly drove in his escape. "It appeared to me that an individual at the corner [of the street] fell to the ground and had probably been hit in the gunfire."

Dyson's account of the guns-blazing getaway seems to indicate that Donohue was shot while Dzhokhar was fleeing (and running over his brother) and that the gunfire was one-way

So, that's kind of an inferential leap. He didn't testify as to whether or not the Tsarnaevs were shooting. TFA is just assuming that because he didn't specify, they must not have been.

I was wondering why a couple of guys said in news reports to be unarmed, which is to say without guns, would shoot a random university campus cop for no apparent reason.

Now it makes some sense.

Oops! Our bad!

The only way to protect America from terrorists without guns is cops without guns. Arm the police with pressure cookers. They blow up spontaneous all the time, it is true, but apparently they must be added to the list of things that free people with massive arms and ammo stockpiles can not have for their own safety, like shampoo bottles that hold more than 3 oz., and shoes, and box cutters, and nail clippers., and those tiny little screwdrivers that you get in eyeglass repair kits and that look like accessories for Do It Yourself Barbie.

Aarontology:Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?

In general your privilege to exercise deadly force in self defense is limited to situations in which you were the target of force threatening serious or deadly bodily harm. You can, I believe, exercise this right if someone else would be so privileged (e.g. defending another who is being threatened). However, given the fact that cops were already engaging the terrorists, gun wielding bystanders, no matter how well-intentioned, won't be helpful and could make a chaotic situation much more confusing than it already is.

brantgoose:I was wondering why a couple of guys said in news reports to be unarmed, which is to say without guns, would shoot a random university campus cop for no apparent reason.

Now it makes some sense.

Oops! Our bad!

The only way to protect America from terrorists without guns is cops without guns. Arm the police with pressure cookers. They blow up spontaneous all the time, it is true, but apparently they must be added to the list of things that free people with massive arms and ammo stockpiles can not have for their own safety, like shampoo bottles that hold more than 3 oz., and shoes, and box cutters, and nail clippers., and those tiny little screwdrivers that you get in eyeglass repair kits and that look like accessories for Do It Yourself Barbie.

They DID shoot a "random university campus cop for no apparent reason". THIS is not THAT cop.

Even when cops "do a great job," you can't count on them to act with integrity or to tell the truth. Every time the police give a statement, I now automatically assume we'll find out something very different later.

Did the BPD give it the full Tillman treatment telling the family he died a hero instead of by incompetent fratricide, and then destroying all evidence, while also using it for recruiting purposes while blatently lying about it?

Aarontology:Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?

You, as a citizen, would be responsible for the final disposition of every shot you fire. I remember that very clearly from my CCW classes. If one of your rounds killed someone, yes you absolutely would be civilly and criminally liable. I would not think for murder one, but for criminally negligent homicide or something similar.

JK47:Aarontology: Would I, as a citizen, be immune from the consequences like the cop who shot the other cop, if I happened to be passing by a shootout, decided to use my CCR rights to aid the cops, but accidentally ended up shooting one of them or an innocent bystander?

In general your privilege to exercise deadly force in self defense is limited to situations in which you were the target of force threatening serious or deadly bodily harm. You can, I believe, exercise this right if someone else would be so privileged (e.g. defending another who is being threatened). However, given the fact that cops were already engaging the terrorists, gun wielding bystanders, no matter how well-intentioned, won't be helpful and could make a chaotic situation much more confusing than it already is.

Also, let's toss in that fact that the cops are now contending with another unknown person with a gun actively firing. Chances are good that you would end up becoming a target. You end up dividing the attention of the police, perhaps aiding the felons in escaping. At worst, you'll end up dead.

insano:Aarontology: Huh. I wasn't aware of that you can be charged for when someone else shoots someone.

Fascinating.

If you and a partner are robbing a store and your partner shoots and kills the clerk, guess what? You are on the hook for murder, even if you are only the getaway driver. If you start a shootout on a busy street and the cops shoot innocent civilians, guess what? You are at fault because you started the shootout. You created the dangerous situation. That is how the law does and should work.

This logic is absurd, If said innocent civilian wasn't at that place at that time, he or she wouldn't have been shot, so therefore they should also be charged.... This is the logic that the felony murder rule uses.