I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the most
complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines - MS: take
your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time mattered - LOL

Derek Martin wrote:
> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the most
> complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines - MS: take
> your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time mattered - LOL

You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn
yourself: Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)

Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor
Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after shipping?
See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>

"Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Derek Martin wrote:
>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>> mattered - LOL
>
> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn yourself:
> Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>
> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor Mac
> OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after shipping?
> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>
>
> Roy

Sure doesn't seem to be a reason to hurry. Wish they would put all the
features back they keep deleting to make the artificial deadline.
Windows XP Adoption Rates Slow
By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
June 16, 2005, 1:45 PM
Although many are eagerly awaiting Microsoft next version of Windows, known
as Longhorn, a recent study by AssetMetrix shows that many companies have
not even upgraded to Windows XP, a full four years after its release.

The study reports that Windows 2000 is installed on 48 percent of all
corporate PCs as of the first quarter of this year, only falling four
percent since the last quarter of 2003. In comparison, usage of Windows XP
rose from 6.6 to 38 percent during the same period.

The large number of users still on the older operating system poses a
problem for Microsoft, who intends to phase out Windows 2000 support at the
end of the month.

Even older operating systems from Microsoft are still in use. One in ten
computers runs Windows NT, down from 13.5 percent. The biggest drop was
recorded in those still running Windows 95 or 98, which fell from 28 percent
at the end of 2003 to less than 5 percent this past quarter.

AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem to
be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up with
the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft. Older
Windows 95 and 98 computers seem to be getting replaced by computers running
Windows XP.

"Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support their
operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate dictated by PC
obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and forecasting," Steve
O'Halloran of AssetMetrix explained.

The general lassiez-faire attitude on upgrading by companies is problematic
for Microsoft, which is hoping most users will upgrade to Longhorn once it
becomes available. But many corporations are beginning to echo the
sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of Windows they are
running is "good enough."

"Corporations' slow Windows XP adoption is one reason not to sweat Longhorn
delays," Joe Wilcox of JupiterResearch wrote in his Microsoft Monitor web
log earlier this week. "Even if Microsoft magically shipped the OS tomorrow,
many businesses wouldn't be ready for the software."

Wilcox mentioned that 10 percent businesses with more than 250 employees
still run Windows 95 according to Jupiter Research data.

"Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Derek Martin wrote:
>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>> mattered - LOL
>
> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn yourself:
> Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>
> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor Mac
> OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after shipping?
> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>
>
> Roy

"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
news:uGUd%...
> Sure doesn't seem to be a reason to hurry. Wish they would put all the
> features back they keep deleting to make the artificial deadline.
> Windows XP Adoption Rates Slow
> By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
> June 16, 2005, 1:45 PM
> Although many are eagerly awaiting Microsoft next version of Windows,
> known as Longhorn, a recent study by AssetMetrix shows that many companies
> have not even upgraded to Windows XP, a full four years after its release.
>
> The study reports that Windows 2000 is installed on 48 percent of all
> corporate PCs as of the first quarter of this year, only falling four
> percent since the last quarter of 2003. In comparison, usage of Windows XP
> rose from 6.6 to 38 percent during the same period.
>
>
> The large number of users still on the older operating system poses a
> problem for Microsoft, who intends to phase out Windows 2000 support at
> the end of the month.
>
> Even older operating systems from Microsoft are still in use. One in ten
> computers runs Windows NT, down from 13.5 percent. The biggest drop was
> recorded in those still running Windows 95 or 98, which fell from 28
> percent at the end of 2003 to less than 5 percent this past quarter.
>
> AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem
> to be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up
> with the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft. Older
> Windows 95 and 98 computers seem to be getting replaced by computers
> running Windows XP.
>
> "Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support their
> operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate dictated by
> PC obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and forecasting,"
> Steve O'Halloran of AssetMetrix explained.
>
> The general lassiez-faire attitude on upgrading by companies is
> problematic for Microsoft, which is hoping most users will upgrade to
> Longhorn once it becomes available. But many corporations are beginning to
> echo the sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of Windows
> they are running is "good enough."
>
> "Corporations' slow Windows XP adoption is one reason not to sweat
> Longhorn delays," Joe Wilcox of JupiterResearch wrote in his Microsoft
> Monitor web log earlier this week. "Even if Microsoft magically shipped
> the OS tomorrow, many businesses wouldn't be ready for the software."
>
> Wilcox mentioned that 10 percent businesses with more than 250 employees
> still run Windows 95 according to Jupiter Research data.
>
>
>
>
> "Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Derek Martin wrote:
>>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>>> mattered - LOL
>>
>> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
>> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn yourself:
>> Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>>
>> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor
>> Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after shipping?
>> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>>
>>
>> Roy
>
>

Those are some frightening statistics John and certainly even more so to
MS - corporations still on 95 scare the hell out of me - I hope they aren't
using those old OSs with my credit card numbers!

Derek

"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
news:uGUd%...
> Sure doesn't seem to be a reason to hurry. Wish they would put all the
> features back they keep deleting to make the artificial deadline.
> Windows XP Adoption Rates Slow
> By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
> June 16, 2005, 1:45 PM
> Although many are eagerly awaiting Microsoft next version of Windows,
> known as Longhorn, a recent study by AssetMetrix shows that many companies
> have not even upgraded to Windows XP, a full four years after its release.
>
> The study reports that Windows 2000 is installed on 48 percent of all
> corporate PCs as of the first quarter of this year, only falling four
> percent since the last quarter of 2003. In comparison, usage of Windows XP
> rose from 6.6 to 38 percent during the same period.
>
>
> The large number of users still on the older operating system poses a
> problem for Microsoft, who intends to phase out Windows 2000 support at
> the end of the month.
>
> Even older operating systems from Microsoft are still in use. One in ten
> computers runs Windows NT, down from 13.5 percent. The biggest drop was
> recorded in those still running Windows 95 or 98, which fell from 28
> percent at the end of 2003 to less than 5 percent this past quarter.
>
> AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem
> to be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up
> with the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft. Older
> Windows 95 and 98 computers seem to be getting replaced by computers
> running Windows XP.
>
> "Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support their
> operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate dictated by
> PC obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and forecasting,"
> Steve O'Halloran of AssetMetrix explained.
>
> The general lassiez-faire attitude on upgrading by companies is
> problematic for Microsoft, which is hoping most users will upgrade to
> Longhorn once it becomes available. But many corporations are beginning to
> echo the sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of Windows
> they are running is "good enough."
>
> "Corporations' slow Windows XP adoption is one reason not to sweat
> Longhorn delays," Joe Wilcox of JupiterResearch wrote in his Microsoft
> Monitor web log earlier this week. "Even if Microsoft magically shipped
> the OS tomorrow, many businesses wouldn't be ready for the software."
>
> Wilcox mentioned that 10 percent businesses with more than 250 employees
> still run Windows 95 according to Jupiter Research data.
>
>
>
>
> "Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Derek Martin wrote:
>>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>>> mattered - LOL
>>
>> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
>> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn yourself:
>> Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>>
>> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor
>> Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after shipping?
>> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>>
>>
>> Roy
>
>

Since when do most share holders in MS get to say when it is delevered apart
from mr gates himself along with mr balmer (not sure if spelt correctly)

MS i think only set deadlines because some companies want deadlines so they
can plan ahead with upgrades to there software and hardware needs and also
to know if it is worth the wait or to upgrade now.

Also some people with done seem to have patients and want MS to release a
new OS sooner rather than later and prefer a firm date. Sadily MS or us
can't win. MS from what i seen is balancing it out with who wants it early
and who wants it late later but perfect so scraping some parts is more the
optional part to meat a deadline and if i read correctly somewhere (can't
remember where and not sure if it is correct but hope so) they said they
would be included the parts that did not make it into the final release in a
service pack at a later date for when the compents like winfs is ready.

Honestly though most won't upgrade the OS till when they realy need to
upgrade, most companies will just upgrade when they need to, most companies
will be on tight budgets and have to sufice or some prefer to keep there old
equipment maintained and get the maxium use out of software that cost alot
till they are either ready to upgrade or need to upgrade and most that use
what they got do the job and as some say if its not broken why fix it or if
it works the way we want it to why upgrade

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> When shareholders say we want it mid 2006, Microsoft has to deliver.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
> news:uGUd%...
>> Sure doesn't seem to be a reason to hurry. Wish they would put all the
>> features back they keep deleting to make the artificial deadline.
>> Windows XP Adoption Rates Slow
>> By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
>> June 16, 2005, 1:45 PM
>> Although many are eagerly awaiting Microsoft next version of Windows,
>> known as Longhorn, a recent study by AssetMetrix shows that many
>> companies have not even upgraded to Windows XP, a full four years after
>> its release.
>>
>> The study reports that Windows 2000 is installed on 48 percent of all
>> corporate PCs as of the first quarter of this year, only falling four
>> percent since the last quarter of 2003. In comparison, usage of Windows
>> XP rose from 6.6 to 38 percent during the same period.
>>
>>
>> The large number of users still on the older operating system poses a
>> problem for Microsoft, who intends to phase out Windows 2000 support at
>> the end of the month.
>>
>> Even older operating systems from Microsoft are still in use. One in ten
>> computers runs Windows NT, down from 13.5 percent. The biggest drop was
>> recorded in those still running Windows 95 or 98, which fell from 28
>> percent at the end of 2003 to less than 5 percent this past quarter.
>>
>> AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem
>> to be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up
>> with the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft.
>> Older Windows 95 and 98 computers seem to be getting replaced by
>> computers running Windows XP.
>>
>> "Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support their
>> operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate dictated by
>> PC obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and forecasting,"
>> Steve O'Halloran of AssetMetrix explained.
>>
>> The general lassiez-faire attitude on upgrading by companies is
>> problematic for Microsoft, which is hoping most users will upgrade to
>> Longhorn once it becomes available. But many corporations are beginning
>> to echo the sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of
>> Windows they are running is "good enough."
>>
>> "Corporations' slow Windows XP adoption is one reason not to sweat
>> Longhorn delays," Joe Wilcox of JupiterResearch wrote in his Microsoft
>> Monitor web log earlier this week. "Even if Microsoft magically shipped
>> the OS tomorrow, many businesses wouldn't be ready for the software."
>>
>> Wilcox mentioned that 10 percent businesses with more than 250 employees
>> still run Windows 95 according to Jupiter Research data.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Derek Martin wrote:
>>>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>>>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>>>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>>>> mattered - LOL
>>>
>>> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
>>> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn yourself:
>>> Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>>>
>>> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor
>>> Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after
>>> shipping?
>>> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roy
>>
>>
>
>

Think about this, company's that are just deploying either XP Pro or 2000
Pro are building 5 plans around these operating systems, with no plan for
Longhorn in these upgrading plans anytime soon.

Most are expected to be on Windows 2000 until 2010 while XP is expected
until 2013, which would mean that even after Longhorns successor, we will be
seeing 2000 around still going strong.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andrehttp://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"DKI" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Since when do most share holders in MS get to say when it is delevered
> apart from mr gates himself along with mr balmer (not sure if spelt
> correctly)
>
> MS i think only set deadlines because some companies want deadlines so
> they can plan ahead with upgrades to there software and hardware needs and
> also to know if it is worth the wait or to upgrade now.
>
> Also some people with done seem to have patients and want MS to release a
> new OS sooner rather than later and prefer a firm date. Sadily MS or us
> can't win. MS from what i seen is balancing it out with who wants it early
> and who wants it late later but perfect so scraping some parts is more the
> optional part to meat a deadline and if i read correctly somewhere (can't
> remember where and not sure if it is correct but hope so) they said they
> would be included the parts that did not make it into the final release in
> a service pack at a later date for when the compents like winfs is ready.
>
> Honestly though most won't upgrade the OS till when they realy need to
> upgrade, most companies will just upgrade when they need to, most
> companies will be on tight budgets and have to sufice or some prefer to
> keep there old equipment maintained and get the maxium use out of software
> that cost alot till they are either ready to upgrade or need to upgrade
> and most that use what they got do the job and as some say if its not
> broken why fix it or if it works the way we want it to why upgrade
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> When shareholders say we want it mid 2006, Microsoft has to deliver.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>> "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
>> news:uGUd%...
>>> Sure doesn't seem to be a reason to hurry. Wish they would put all the
>>> features back they keep deleting to make the artificial deadline.
>>> Windows XP Adoption Rates Slow
>>> By Ed Oswald, BetaNews
>>> June 16, 2005, 1:45 PM
>>> Although many are eagerly awaiting Microsoft next version of Windows,
>>> known as Longhorn, a recent study by AssetMetrix shows that many
>>> companies have not even upgraded to Windows XP, a full four years after
>>> its release.
>>>
>>> The study reports that Windows 2000 is installed on 48 percent of all
>>> corporate PCs as of the first quarter of this year, only falling four
>>> percent since the last quarter of 2003. In comparison, usage of Windows
>>> XP rose from 6.6 to 38 percent during the same period.
>>>
>>>
>>> The large number of users still on the older operating system poses a
>>> problem for Microsoft, who intends to phase out Windows 2000 support at
>>> the end of the month.
>>>
>>> Even older operating systems from Microsoft are still in use. One in ten
>>> computers runs Windows NT, down from 13.5 percent. The biggest drop was
>>> recorded in those still running Windows 95 or 98, which fell from 28
>>> percent at the end of 2003 to less than 5 percent this past quarter.
>>>
>>> AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem
>>> to be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up
>>> with the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft.
>>> Older Windows 95 and 98 computers seem to be getting replaced by
>>> computers running Windows XP.
>>>
>>> "Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support
>>> their operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate
>>> dictated by PC obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and
>>> forecasting," Steve O'Halloran of AssetMetrix explained.
>>>
>>> The general lassiez-faire attitude on upgrading by companies is
>>> problematic for Microsoft, which is hoping most users will upgrade to
>>> Longhorn once it becomes available. But many corporations are beginning
>>> to echo the sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of
>>> Windows they are running is "good enough."
>>>
>>> "Corporations' slow Windows XP adoption is one reason not to sweat
>>> Longhorn delays," Joe Wilcox of JupiterResearch wrote in his Microsoft
>>> Monitor web log earlier this week. "Even if Microsoft magically shipped
>>> the OS tomorrow, many businesses wouldn't be ready for the software."
>>>
>>> Wilcox mentioned that 10 percent businesses with more than 250 employees
>>> still run Windows 95 according to Jupiter Research data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Roy Coorne" <> wrote in message
>>> news:%...
>>>> Derek Martin wrote:
>>>>> I agree Andre - so it's late - that's what happens when you design the
>>>>> most complicated OS ever concieved and announce artificial deadlines -
>>>>> MS: take your time...ha, as if my telling MS to take it's time
>>>>> mattered - LOL
>>>>
>>>> You are absolutely right. But, of course, you are cordially and
>>>> courteously invited to take your time with installing Longhorn
>>>> yourself: Wait for SP1 or - even better - SP2... if you can;-)
>>>>
>>>> Aren't we amused observing that Longhorn's great wish-to-be competitor
>>>> Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' has to be patched less than a month after
>>>> shipping?
>>>> See, e.g. <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1818272,00.asp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Intel Inside" <> wrote in message
news:%23ilEJ%23%...
>
> Mike,
> if I already applied for the x64 beta program, do I have to re-register to
> be involved in the Longhorn beta testing?.

If you were an active participant on the Technical Beta Program (you have a
Microsoft Beta ID number) for the x64 products (not the customer preview
program) and you have a track record of good quality feedback and you fit
the appropriate profile of testers we are looking for, for the Beta 1
release, you may be invited.
But it does not hurt to register yourself.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

"Intel Inside" <> wrote in message
news:%23ilEJ%23%...
>
> Mike,
> if I already applied for the x64 beta program, do I have to re-register to
> be involved in the Longhorn beta testing?.
>
>

John Barnes wrote:
> AssetMetrix said the findings of the study show that most companies seem to
> be upgrading just out of hardware obsolescence rather than keeping up with
> the latest and greatest operating systems offered by Microsoft.
>
> "Companies re-deploying PCs, without a policy to manage and support their
> operating systems, will have their Windows XP transition rate dictated by PC
> obsolescence rather than by intelligent planning and forecasting,"

I guess it all depends on what you want to achieve. Installing Windows
XP on a PC delivered with Windows 98 is definately not a brilliant idea.
Which brings you back to hardware obsolescence: the hardware becomes
obsolete when the software does. But as long as Windows 98 works, the PC
might do just fine.
> But many corporations are beginning to echo the
> sentiments of consumers - saying the current version of Windows they are
> running is "good enough."

Exactly. Why would you shell out lots of money, if the faster CPU is
immediately slowed down to normal speed by a more complex OS?

"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
news:ePKqGg$...
> "Intel Inside" <> wrote in message
> news:%23ilEJ%23%...
>>
>> Mike,
>> if I already applied for the x64 beta program, do I have to re-register
>> to be involved in the Longhorn beta testing?.
>
> If you were an active participant on the Technical Beta Program (you have
> a Microsoft Beta ID number) for the x64 products (not the customer preview
> program) and you have a track record of good quality feedback and you fit
> the appropriate profile of testers we are looking for, for the Beta 1
> release, you may be invited.
> But it does not hurt to register yourself.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Intel Inside" <> wrote in message
> news:%23ilEJ%23%...
>>
>> Mike,
>> if I already applied for the x64 beta program, do I have to re-register
>> to be involved in the Longhorn beta testing?.
>>
>>
>
>

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