Mauz: you are missing my point. Regardless of the truth of my claims, I was simply wondering what he meant when he said I did not grasp something. Anyway, I love how you randomly pop up to tell me off once in a while O_o
A human being has a few certainties in his life; We exists (as far as we can tell), and we can feel and explore the world around us. Of course, we can learn (which makes us human, I think). Let's say I existed without knowing any religion, and without knowing anything at all (but I can talk and think, whatever it's an example). Someone comes to me and tells me: you will burn in hell unless you accept our god and worship him, serving his will diligently. Don't you think it's a slave's mentality to agree to something like that? Doesn't HE have to convince me?
It's just that I am a little tired of people constantly telling me to prove that god does not exist, or saying that since I cannot SHOW an absence of god (whatever in hell that means), he may exist. I agree, so can ANYTHING I IMAGINE, let's believe in that! Why don't religious zealots try to prove something for once.

PS: Mauz it's hard and lengthy to convey why (as you emphasized) I believe what I do, but it's a fair statement. If you want to actually have a discussion about this, please tell me so, but other than that there are numerous people who put much less substance in their arguments than me, so I don't know why you are after my head lol... Unless....
"Practice what you preach", eh? Well I do.

The point we are trying to get across to you is that you cannot see the gray area in this topic. And that you are too black and white. No offense, even though you have offended me a few times. Oh well every one is different.

I guess I would be called an atheist but I prefer in general to not be in any religion. I don't judge people based on their religion and I appreciate the same from my friends who are all mostly Catholic and Christian. I was never really brought up religiously in my family, but what's important to me is morales. Whenever I think about religion, I end up thinking of some religious wars and everyone knows that's a big deal. In it's own way even Religion has shed blood and killed innocent people.

Come to think of it one of my friends who is Christian said he's going to convert me to a Christian by the end of this year. LMAO hahahaha good luck but don't count on it lol.

True, I don't like to mix black and white. Why should I? That is the approach of people looking for an easy way out.

Again, "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality." Dante Alighieri

umm.. "that is the approach of people looking for an easy way out"?

well.. if you side with the white. that's actually an easy way out too. since you pretty much have everything set up for you already, the books, the beliefs, the "truth".
and if you side with the black.. then you pretty much just say white is wrong.. so again. that's another easy way out.

and hm.. okay.. so you're quoting another person. uh. why don't you quote your god instead of listening to the babbling of Dante.

well, if the gods sees me as such an abomination and sees me fit to be burned within the hottest flames of hell. then let it be known that i shalt not follow such horrible gods and as lucifer once did, i too shall do the same and defy the gods till my very existence exists no more

I was a christian due to peer pressure but now i guess i'm a weak agnostic influenced by christian beliefs due to my anglican school and club. Guess i'm just not sure if God really exists after who really knows? I dun really like some christian beliefs and traditions especially about believing in Jesus and u will go to Heavan and those who dun will go to hell, that sounds very wrong to me. It makes me feel christian think they are superior. Most of my friends are christians and go to church, some are quite strong believers, one in particular is very sensitive whenever i touch such issues. one of my best friends is a christian but alos share some agnostic views with me.

If there was one for you, you'd be struck by a lightning bolt any second now..

If God can't forgive him, then God should just go to hell.

I still think that God exist, that truth is one. The problem is the misunderstanding of the religion's teaching. The religion(The people, not the teaching) created such of false image of God, that he sound like a cheap-egoist-unjust-childish-fucking-bastard. In the end, I believe that the only thing matter is have you done something"right"(anyone know what "right" is? I use my instinct for this until now)

How in the world can you be an atheist and be respectful of others' religions? That is a completely invalid statement. If you are among the people who use reason and evidence (atheist) rather than fantasy and hopeful thinking (theist) to define your world, you would not be respectful of something you know is wrong. These just do not go together. These kinds of people are confused, not atheist.
Interesting enough that people that do not have faith have been branded as "atheists", it makes it sound like it's a religion of not believing in god rather than a default state of human consciousness.

Just because you disagree does not mean you are disrespectful. I am very Catholic and my boyfriend is quite Athiest. Now, I've been going through a hard time (my grandfather is dying) and when I consoled in him, he told me he would offer a prayer for him. He admitted he didn't think it would help, but he knew it would make me feel better knowing that he was doing all he could. He is still an athiest, but in no way was he disrespecting my beliefs.

Also, your theory would be applicable to anyone with a religion. As I said before, I am catholic, therefore I do not have faith in any other religion. I can, however respect those religions, study their origins, and talk about their beleifs with members other religions. You can talk respect anything without believing in it.

I like what Trevor said. Antireligious bigots are ignorant, narrow minded, and childish just like the bible pushing bastards that give the rest of us Christians a bad name. Both of them are fiercely hypocritical, judgmental, egotistical, idiotic, {for they exacerbate things,} and flatly prejudice.

The fact is that there is no proof for religion or against it. Being an Atheist, a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew requires in some place at least a modicum of blind faith. In the end it’s measuring up evidence and deciding which argument you think is the best.

People are free to be antireligious if they like. That’s fine. It’s narrow minded, but fine. Just don’t push your plague of ignorance onto me. I don’t have to and am not going to agree with you..

You know, to be honest with you, I think the majority of agnostics, atheists, and religious people are like the majority of people in general. Ignorant and judgmentally hypocritical. Very few people actually do research.

I'm new to this forum, but I had to comment, I'm an agnostic so the way I see it there is always the possibility of some kind of higher power but I do not think we will ever know for an absolute certainty so I don't spend too much time worrying about it. Those hardcore Christians do piss me off a lot of the time, they spend so much time condemning people and then they act like they are being persecuted when so many of them are in positions of power here in the U.S., I don't understand how they think preaching fire and brimstone will get more people to join their religion, I would not want to know their god, it's like God loves you as long as you do what we say, if not you'll go to Hell. In general, I think religion, though not particularly spirituality, has done more harm then good in this world, that is why I avoid it.

"Why should I love God? He strung up his only son like a side of veal. I shudder to think what he'd do to me." Marquis de Sade in Quills