Buck fielded a call from Claude Arnold, a former special agent at ICE, who dished on the realities of immigration in so-called sanctuary cities based on his experience in Los Angeles, California.

“The reality is that…we’ve returned to the way things were before the Obama administration,” Jones said, though he contested the notion that immigration raids had increased, as the media has been quick to imply. However, there is now at least a focus on the main problem, which is that local law “forces officers to break federal criminal law.”

In the fascinating interview, Arnold detailed frustrations within law enforcement among those who want to enforce the law and are told they aren’t allowed to do so.

“Because the Trust Act [a local law in California] does not consider certain persons a priority in their view, they won’t even notify ICE.”

“So they’re in violation of a duly passed statute about notification, and a criminal statute about harboring illegal aliens,” summarized Buck. “What should be done?”

“If the Attorney General or the US Attorneys were to give the legal opinion [that] this is in violation of law, I think people would change their practice.”