Anyone ever notice how shit players often result in shit coaching/managing, and a great roster often results in great coaching/managing? Respected football men who haven't had any success with the Browns' shit rosters over the years: Romeo Crennel, Butch Davis, Chris Palmer; and further back, Bill Belichick, Bud Carson, Forrest Gregg.

Like Casey Stengel said after he left the Yankees and took over the hapless Mets: "I didn't get stupid overnight."

justmebd wrote:I doubt very seriously Romeo Crennel will have success in KC. He's a good coordinator and a bad head coach. Talent aside, Crennel never looked like he could handle the job.

And speaking of "looked like he could never handle the job," Shurmur always looks like a deer in head lights. He never speaks with passion or conviction. His body language says "I am overwhelmed," or "hey guys, I am doing the best I can." I want a leader who commands the attention of his troops and the media. Someone who inspires you to lay it on the line when the ball is teed up. My $0.02. Maybe the guys knows his stuff. Not sure he's a leader.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Hard to defend the Shurminator based on last season's performance. But totally not out of the realm of possibility that with a year's experience, a lot more O talent, and an O coordinator to ease his burden that maybe he won't be such a hot mess. The one thing I like about him is the team never quit on him last year, and they did on Mangini, Romeo, and Butch.

This signing valadates my opinions of the suckatude of the WR corps prior to the draft

Ha! Duly noted.

I still maintain that the WR's aren't the key to any team and can look much better/worse than they are depending on the QB play, but I think it's safe to assume they were a bad corps as far as NFL standards are concerned.

Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site www.brownietheelf.com

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

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Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

His death is on your hands, Dude. Peeker asked me to repeat that. His death is on your hands.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

His death is on your hands, Dude. Peeker asked me to repeat that. His death is on your hands.

Thank you.

People think it's easy to kill but it's...... well... actually it is easy.

But Mother pulled the trigger here. Hopefully he can live with the repercussions and the guilt.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

His death is on your hands, Dude. Peeker asked me to repeat that. His death is on your hands.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

Done. Had the site not been 6th-grade caliber shit I mighta had more sympathy for the kid.

His death is on your hands Mother. If the 2021 Pulitzer Prize winner is snuffy1384 you're going to feel like a real asshole.

His death is on your hands, Dude. Peeker asked me to repeat that. His death is on your hands.

Thank you.

People think it's easy to kill but it's...... well... actually it is easy.

But Mother pulled the trigger here. Hopefully he can live with the repercussions and the guilt.

snuffy1384 wrote:Josh gordon has the ability to be a big time receiver. He has all the physical tools to be a top WR in this league for many years to come. As long as he stays on the good side he will be a steal of the draft. You can read more about the browns on my site http://www.brownietheelf.com

Die

Can we ban this fucktard yet?

I saw what you wrote in another thread...

Be advised, I know where you live

Lol, you'll have to be more specific. I write so much stupid shit here I should be working for the Cavs scouting dept. Im usually drunk too.

What do you think of the Brownies giving up their 2nd round pick for Gordon now?I liked the move then. I am liking it more now. No regrets for me. But we are so receiver-starved, that may be tainting my judgement.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

Which is tough, because you can see from the way he blocks and the raw athleticism that if he could stop with the stupid mistakes/drops, he'd be a hell of a player. The kind of WR that opposing teams have to gameplan for. He's huge and quick as hell, definitely gets more separation than anyone else out there, with a body to fight for the balls. He's just a headcase.

OldDawg wrote:

Gradysmanldy wrote:Reminds you a little bit of Torrey Smith; limited route tree to work with, but undoubtedly fast and physical. Fun to watch these last two games.

Worth the high 2nd round pick next year to you?

I think that if you could look at Torrey AFTER the success he had in year one and have a supplemental "auction" for his services, most teams would have given up a first for him. Gordon's stats are on par/better than his 1st round contemporaries in Wright and Blackmon, even with the under utilization of him in the first few games.

Right now, provided he continues to grow/learn in the first year and proves that the last two games isn't a fluke, he's a steal with a high second. Be interesting to see how frequently they throw to him when MoMass and Benjamin come back, considering A) Mass has better hands/more consistent routes, and B) Gordon is essentially playing the burner role that they drafted Benjamin for.

I'm just hoping to see continued consistency from him and Weeden; they've looked far more functional/capable in the last two games than I would have given either one of them credit for at the beginning of the year. Part of that is the pass pro Weeden has gotten recently....even a rookie can make some deft throws when he has a clean pocket and makes quick decisions.

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