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Ultrapac is a good cleaner but butyl's make you cough and can give you cancer. Delime and citrus chemicals leave a ton of residue. Why can't someone come up with a product that has no phosphates, no butyl's, no citrus solvent and no other cancer causeing agents that cleans like the ones I mentioned and leave NO dang residue behind? is it really that hard with todays technology?

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I used ultra-pac for years and Harvard research grime release pro and grand slam all the same stuff. I just switched to Duane Oxley's Ultra TlC and I think it cleans just as good, but it rinses out better with out that horrible smell and I can breathe muck better. Oh and its about $20 a gallon less!

"They don't hate you, they hate success"
"Nothing means more than quality, nothing"
"Kill them with grind, logic and sound reasoning"
"What you do speaks so loud I can't hear what you say"
"Those pointing fingers are the always the worst offenders"
"Everything I do I do for my family and friends, everything!"
"Money is printed everyday and everyday I'm looking for it"
"It's not your income that determines your wealth, it's your outcome"
"We are all legends in our own minds. Truth is we are all just works in progress"
"When you stick your neck out many will want to take a swing at you. Success is the greatest revenge"

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I use the Ultrpac mint, people like it better than the others. The LVC got the most complaints. I have swayed several times, but keep coming back.

Here is the trick with Ultra and the smell. Apply it warm! I run the hose get everything set up and then start the machine (summer time). If your water is above 160 the fumes are noticeable. Spray it at 200 and it will run people out. Heat most definitely increases the fumes dramatically.

I do mist ahead to reactive it. As well as do an wet upstroke. I do not do dry passes except in humid conditions. So my methods are designed around that premise.

I use 20 oz of dry slurry to a jug now. The jury is still out. Use to run 10oz per mix. I ran a clear water rinse for years, detergent is faster and does clean better. I have cut back on prespray amount as well. I do know too much detergent does effect vacuum performance way too much and am worried about residue. One thing I can say about slurry is, if you spray it on some glass, it dries clear. There is no detectable film or residue to the touch. I have yet to try this with the stronger mix. I reduced the dilution in an attempt to curtail chem pump rebuilds. The theory is that a chem pump forcing less injection may last longer. The problem so far is getting it consistent at 2gph has been difficult. The higher dilution flowing @ 3.5gph was very consistent, so was my rebuilding of the chem pump. On that note so has been the wand valve rebuilds. I am convinced that who ever is supplying the rubber parts have switched to an cost effective product, IE cheap crap!

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Dave try that test now with the new Slurry. We did and the results are not the same.

The old Ultrapac and the new Ultrapac are not the same. The dilution ratio is the same. Some have complained about reduced cleaning ability but with todays strong truck mounts we should be able to compensate for it. The former chemist who was with Prochem is now with Sapphire Scientific.

"They don't hate you, they hate success"
"Nothing means more than quality, nothing"
"Kill them with grind, logic and sound reasoning"
"What you do speaks so loud I can't hear what you say"
"Those pointing fingers are the always the worst offenders"
"Everything I do I do for my family and friends, everything!"
"Money is printed everyday and everyday I'm looking for it"
"It's not your income that determines your wealth, it's your outcome"
"We are all legends in our own minds. Truth is we are all just works in progress"
"When you stick your neck out many will want to take a swing at you. Success is the greatest revenge"

"They don't hate you, they hate success"
"Nothing means more than quality, nothing"
"Kill them with grind, logic and sound reasoning"
"What you do speaks so loud I can't hear what you say"
"Those pointing fingers are the always the worst offenders"
"Everything I do I do for my family and friends, everything!"
"Money is printed everyday and everyday I'm looking for it"
"It's not your income that determines your wealth, it's your outcome"
"We are all legends in our own minds. Truth is we are all just works in progress"
"When you stick your neck out many will want to take a swing at you. Success is the greatest revenge"

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Keith I agree with you. Great products. The only exception i found is that the Slurry seemed to leave a lot of sticky residue. And have you ever taken apart fittings, couplers or looked at filters or orifices after using Slurry? Serious amount of crud build up. With that being said, Prochem makes some great products. Can't kill my Prochem Performer 405. Runs as strong as it did when new. I love that Nissan engine. :AddEmoticons0423:

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I am really starting to think that the Performer was not such a good investment. The water pump went out. Thankfully Ara helped me find one for 25 bucks. In the last year I have also replaced the governor and cat heat exchanger. At just over 11,000 hours, you would thought they could have designed these parts to last. HeHe.

The Performer 405 may be the best machine ever built by Prochem because of the quiet and strong Nissan engine that won't die. The only negative I can remember when I had one was the catalytic heat exchanger. I would have had a custom one replacement made for it. I also plumbed my hot water bypass that runs into the waste tank,re-routing it into my fresh water tank. That thing was beast!

"They don't hate you, they hate success"
"Nothing means more than quality, nothing"
"Kill them with grind, logic and sound reasoning"
"What you do speaks so loud I can't hear what you say"
"Those pointing fingers are the always the worst offenders"
"Everything I do I do for my family and friends, everything!"
"Money is printed everyday and everyday I'm looking for it"
"It's not your income that determines your wealth, it's your outcome"
"We are all legends in our own minds. Truth is we are all just works in progress"
"When you stick your neck out many will want to take a swing at you. Success is the greatest revenge"

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I have a prochem upholstery tool. It is good for cleaning cars, boats and even sometimes stairs. But not so great on upholstery.What is up with that? I have a 405 with over 7,000 hours and it runs great. I do like my prochem stair tool 2 jets but the handle is a little long.

We still use this a lot, the version sold in California has a low VOC rating and still works great. It is also easy to boost when needed. We cut down the mixture less than manufacture suggested and didn't notice a difference. I do hate the twice a year prochem price hikes!

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My Prochem Legend is a Beast! constantly heat. Just doing their regular maintenance on time and keep going making money.
I use Power Burst never let me down. I used grease eraser is good but not as reliable as Power Burst. The Cost are similar 38-40 but I buy my chemicals by pails.
As Extraction, Prochem Clean Green the best complement. Only stop using it when the cleaning required an Acid rinse neutralizer.
Of course that is my humble personal opinion.

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I find most presprays work well if used properly. What I mean is if you allow dwell time, agitate and rinse well. Now Prochem Ultrapac contains butyl's and we all know that butyl's clean extremely well. The problem is they smell strong and there is evidence that it causes health problems. Now I am not sure what grease Eraser uses but if it is not butyl then it is probably delimoline. Both are great cleaners. One claims to be safer but the jury is still out on delime.

Rob, those guys at Chemeisters said they refused to add chemical and they use: no butyl, d-Limonene or other solvents of any kind. They use Phosphorus. Also they said: phosphates are safe and non-toxic to humans as cleaning agents and they have the necessary cleaning power to be the best choice for a carpet cleaning detergent builder.
Also they said we are getting contaminated ourselves with our "cloud of steam" using other products.
The other thing with grease eraser is on the fine print it said, do not mix with any booster or anything because it will affect the solution.