Theres been a lot of discussion on Savard lately...He certainly was a shadow of his old self in the playoffs .One can certainly give him some slack for coming back from a concussion but the talk of selfish play dumb penalties and blaming Subotka for that too many men penalty does have some merit...what I wonder about is his position with the team players themselves...the fact no one really came to his defense when he was blindsided by Cooke or the first game back with the Penguins was it a team statement that they were a no show...how is the team going to react to his pointing fingers at everyone but himself for the penalty that pretty much finished them off...leadership qualities...make you wonder...Savard always took retaliation penalties and at the very worst of times and think this was a flaw he has never mended...he is a talented playmaker when he wants to play hockey but he certainly has bounced around the league...just wondering if there is poor team player thing going on here...hope not as we have Savy for the long term! Curious as to what others might think !

I can't see blaming Sobotka, if you read his quote sobotka signaled, then a lot of time passed, and no one went on the ice?? He been playing for too long, if he doesnt skate to the bench you don't jump.. How ofter do players go to change and end up having to stay on because they are in the play.. I actually lost some respect for him for that.. I think its mostly a response though do to The finger pointing julien started.

I think savy will be fine, and I hope with a player like Seguin he will help mentor as I am positive Bergy will...

What are you talking about? "when he wants to play" "bounced around the league". Are you nuts? One of the most consistant players in the league let alone on the B's. Yes he has had to mature, as have many others, and he's done a great job of it. Maybe he was being totally selfish to come back too early for the playoffs.

Seriously, I think you are so off the marc, it isn't funny. What a goof.

How are Julien and Savard gonna be with each other next year? They are Professionals, of course. They are moving on, of course. But neither are taking responsibilty for 'The Penalty'. To me, that says a lot. And whether you think it says a lot or a little, one thing's true, these things have a way of ...festering. Oh. And another thing's true; as long as Chiarelli's still here, Julien ain't going anywhere.

Well Id say hes been around the block with New York Rangers Calgary Atlanta and now Boston...and do give him his dues for making an early comeback...his play was arguable at best...Savard is far from perfect and the thread was for discussion only...as for the Goof part look in the mirror pal!

Some guys are just uncomfortable with debate, 'saultont' and don't realize that name-calling entirely undermines their point and marginalizes their viewpoint. These are the same guys who never realize that other people are backing down not because they think the guy is right, but because they don't want to fight. Take some consolation in the fact that Bullies are the last to learn and that e-Bullies are even slower than that.

Something to keep in mind: The B's are deep but fragile when it comes to the center position. Savard and Bergeron have had major concussions and Krejci has also had injury problems. Drafting Seguin and dealing 1 of the centers at the deadline might not be a bad idea. add to that the fact that Hamil and Caron are waiting for their chances also.

I might be a little picky here but I have never been the biggest Savy fan. Yes he has developed into a great player but I wouldn't be too dissappointed if he were traded for equal value.

Im wondering if any one remembers a couple of years back and the Bruins were playing a late season game at home against the Leafs. I remember the Leafs taking over in the 3rd period and blowing out the Bruins. The game ends and NESN cuts to the hallway shot as the Bruins are going back to their dressing room. Savard comes walking around the corner and he is YAWNING. You just get blown out by the Leafs and you're YAWNING ? Maybe I'm reading too much into this but, that told me alot about Savy.

savvy can be a master player, if he wants to be. Give him the benefit that he came back much too soon, and did not really contribute very much after the "lucky" overtime goal. If he comes back as his pre-injury self, that will be a good sign. If not, we have a scary contract to deal with. He needs a Lucic on left wing, maybe Caron will fill the bill, and a scorer on right wing, someone with speed, not the lazy plowman Ryder.

You try playing on the "first line" with the likes of Bitz and Paille, The truth is that Savard is a gifted playmaker and PP specialist. He was hung out to dry be his GM, coach, and team mates this season. He needs to be playing with talented line mates, he didn't have any all year. There's plenty of places to look for scapegoats - but he aint one of them.

Savard came back far too early... because they had no other choice... you cannot possibly blame him for not beeing the same player than before his concussion...

what concerns me more is that if we get seguin we'll have most likely 4 quality centers... and don't really see any of those 4 shifting to wing... so if seguin keeps up to expactations bruin will trade either bergeron or krejci... the problem is: bergeron is the best all around player... what krejci means to this team we all have seen... i'd thought alot about that and i had came to the conclusion that i'd rather see PC trading Savard than Krejci or Bergeron... problem is: NTC so i think maybe at the TDL or on Draft Day after next season Krejci will be the odd man out...

BBAsti - I have asked others to show me the NTC? As Savard's comments during his exit interview regarding that he has been traded on draft day before , lead me to believe he doesn't have a NTC. Have anything that states this, as I haven't seen it?

If Toronto is still on the market for Savard ...I would trade him for Grabovski ....not sure if Savard will ever be the same now ....and Grabovski is an ennemy of the habs ...they hate him ...so that makes him attractive for the Bruins + he is fast , good hands and younger ...so I would say GO for it

Okay, saying you were a goof is inappropriate. Sorry. Ill-informed was more accurate.

It was the tone of your note. It was a total put down of Savy. When you say 'when he wants to play' you lose me. If there is one player who consistently puts in a full effort on this team, it is Savard. There are few nights that I do not remember him on the ice. There are many other players that I can't say the same for.

As for bouncing around. Let's see. The Rangers and Flame gave up on him, and we know what smart organizations they are -most likely because he was selfish and didn't want to play 3rd line checking. He then left Atlanta -who could blame him- and signed with the Bruins as an UFA. The Bruins then thought so little of him that they gave him a big extension.

He's been in the top 10 scoring. Not including this year, for obvious reasons.08-09 9th in total points last year.07-08 3rd in Assist - truly a selfish player.06-07 9th in total points

These are not the numbers of a guy who is 'when he wants to play'. Maybe your are thinking of Kovalev

Perfection he is not, but to trash this guy.....

If you don't like him say so, but to use the guise of an open and honest debate is about him is weak.

If Toronto is still on the market for Savard ...I would trade him for Grabovski ....not sure if Savard will ever be the same now ....and Grabovski is an ennemy of the habs ...they hate him ...so that makes him attractive for the Bruins + he is fast , good hands and younger ...so I would say GO for itPosted by StanleyCuptotheBruinsin2011

Oh my God..............you're joking right.

As a Leaf fan I'd take that trade and RUN!

Grabovski is a very talented but very under-achieving player. Forget the HAB reference, he pretty much s#@ks against everyone else so far.

I think next year is the year he either falls off the map or becomes the player he can be. I don't think he has a high hockey IQ.

May be worth a risk for teams, but no where near the caliber of a Savard.

I think trading Savard will become a good option for PC, but not until 1 or 2 more years.

Savvy is our offensive cog that makes the Bruins run. Chara is the monster on the back end the intimidates everyone. YOu will not get bewtter value for 4 mil cap hit the Savard in the NHL. He was not himslef in the playoffs a step behind because of the injury. If you ever played competative hockey when you are step behind you make errors in all aspects of your game as your body cannot do what your mind thinks it can. He will be great for many more years in Boston. Chara will be resigned to a long term deal as well at a friendly cap # less then his current 7.5 Bergy will also get an extension and he too will give a home team discount. The bruin will win the cup in the next 3 years.....Remember I said that

If Toronto is still on the market for Savard ...I would trade him for Grabovski ....not sure if Savard will ever be the same now ....and Grabovski is an ennemy of the habs ...they hate him ...so that makes him attractive for the Bruins + he is fast , good hands and younger ...so I would say GO for itPosted by StanleyCuptotheBruinsin2011

Oh my God..............you're joking right.

As a Leaf fan I'd take that trade and RUN!

Grabovski is a very talented but very under-achieving player. Forget the HAB reference, he pretty much s#@ks against everyone else so far.

I think next year is the year he either falls off the map or becomes the player he can be. I don't think he has a high hockey IQ.

May be worth a risk for teams, but no where near the caliber of a Savard.

I think trading Savard will become a good option for PC, but not until 1 or 2 more years.

You can't trade Savard to the Leafs, you can't A) trade him before his extension even starts, just bad business, you can't B) trade him to toronto (or any divisional opponent for that matter) C) you can't trade him to a team that would reunite him with kessel..

He is tradable with an extremely cap friendly hit, but there are far better trade partners at this point then Toronto.. Chicago for one has to shed cap and has players I would actually want in return..

i guess my memories of Savard loafing on the backcheck are before Julien and chiarelli pointed out that hockey is a two-way game for all on-ice personnel. We then became aware of how good Savvy can be, and welcomed the change. After watching his play post-concussion, it was not very good. The big question is, How will he return in September?? Having read the glowing reports on Seguin, they indicate that this young man has some very desirable skills, BUT, those qualities need to be further developed as the NHL Players , as a whole, are bigger, faster and more knowledgable. Seguin will have to learn and adjust, so look for him to be on the wing, if he makes it out of tryouts and pre-season. The Bruins core are better than the Islanders and Tampa where the last two wunderkind are evolving, so do not expect Seguin to step in at center for a while.