I missed the trid-lung. My stream started when the practice had already begun. Is this lung the same as the one Rinpoche gives at the end of retreats? I think I already have that, can I follow along for the rest of the days?

Tri-lung is actually the teaching on the Mandarva sadhana, "tri" means instruction and "lung" oral transmission. So Rinpoche reads a few lines from the text in Tibetan and then explain what to do at that point in the practice.

If you have the "lung" from the normal retreats you can of course follow the practice.

There is also a separate "lung" for the tsa-lung instructions that Rinpoche seems to be giving during this retreat.

/magnus

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

From the introduction to Longchenpa’s Advice From the Heart: “In Dzogchen there are no limitations; one can do Guruyoga in a Vajrayana style or, in a simpler way, one can recognize the real undifferentiated state of one’s teachers and oneself. Then one remains five seconds, or one minute, or ten minutes, whichever is appropriate, in the state, permeated with the knowledge that all one’s teachers, all enlightened beings and oneself are not different: this is called Guruyoga.”

A few years later the beautiful Guruyoga book was compiled with its array of Vajrayana guruyoga styles and AFAIK no condoning of any simpler approach. Do you think this means anything, i.e. that he no longer recommends a pared down guruyoga option?

I ask just b/c there are certain busy moments in life when that quick, simple form seems useful.

Peace out
Meepits

I'm pretty new to Dzogchen and currently rereading Guru Yoga specifically looking for ways to integrate Dzogchen practice within my daily activities. Here are some excerpts from pp.43-46 you might find interesting. (If it is inappropriate to post such quotes from ChNN's books, someone please let me know.)

Receiving many teachings or learning a lot of practices is not the principal point. … [M]any secondary practices exist that we can learn to do, but it is important to understand that this is not the main point. As I always repeat, the principal point of Dzogchen is Guruyoga.
…
[Garab Dorje’s second statement, “do not remain in doubt”] means that it is only possible to overcome doubt with direct experience.
…
All practices have to be connected with the transmission and with Guruyoga. There is no other way to come to know our real state, and this is why Guruyoga is indispensable. It is not necessary, though, to do complex Guruyoga practices, reciting many verses in Tibetan and doing complicated visualizations; you can apply Guruyoga in a very simple and essential way. It is enough to sound A and visualize a five colored thigle at the center of your body. The white A and the thigle is a symbol of our three primordial potentialities (sound, light, and rays). Then, in this clarity, we maintain presence in the primordial state.
…
So it is extremely important that you do Guruyoga every time you remember it. There is no need for a particular place or a set time. You can do Guruyoga in every circumstance.

We who are like children shrink from pain but love its causes. - Shantideva

Quick question--I'm without access to a Merigar calendar for the moment--regarding surgery, can any lookup where the force of energy is dwelling for a metal mouse on Feb 22 and Feb 29? Help much appreciated--thanks.

Quick question--I'm without access to a Merigar calendar for the moment--regarding surgery, can any lookup where the force of energy is dwelling for a metal mouse on Feb 22 and Feb 29? Help much appreciated--thanks.

No clue about metal mice, but Feb 22 is a good day in general -- unlike Feb 29.

From the introduction to Longchenpa’s Advice From the Heart: “In Dzogchen there are no limitations; one can do Guruyoga in a Vajrayana style or, in a simpler way, one can recognize the real undifferentiated state of one’s teachers and oneself. Then one remains five seconds, or one minute, or ten minutes, whichever is appropriate, in the state, permeated with the knowledge that all one’s teachers, all enlightened beings and oneself are not different: this is called Guruyoga.”

A few years later the beautiful Guruyoga book was compiled with its array of Vajrayana guruyoga styles and AFAIK no condoning of any simpler approach. Do you think this means anything, i.e. that he no longer recommends a pared down guruyoga option?

I ask just b/c there are certain busy moments in life when that quick, simple form seems useful.

Peace out
Meepits

I'm pretty new to Dzogchen and currently rereading Guru Yoga specifically looking for ways to integrate Dzogchen practice within my daily activities. Here are some excerpts from pp.43-46 you might find interesting. (If it is inappropriate to post such quotes from ChNN's books, someone please let me know.)

Receiving many teachings or learning a lot of practices is not the principal point. … [M]any secondary practices exist that we can learn to do, but it is important to understand that this is not the main point. As I always repeat, the principal point of Dzogchen is Guruyoga.
…
[Garab Dorje’s second statement, “do not remain in doubt”] means that it is only possible to overcome doubt with direct experience.
…
All practices have to be connected with the transmission and with Guruyoga. There is no other way to come to know our real state, and this is why Guruyoga is indispensable. It is not necessary, though, to do complex Guruyoga practices, reciting many verses in Tibetan and doing complicated visualizations; you can apply Guruyoga in a very simple and essential way. It is enough to sound A and visualize a five colored thigle at the center of your body. The white A and the thigle is a symbol of our three primordial potentialities (sound, light, and rays). Then, in this clarity, we maintain presence in the primordial state.
…
So it is extremely important that you do Guruyoga every time you remember it. There is no need for a particular place or a set time. You can do Guruyoga in every circumstance.

(If it is inappropriate to post such quotes from ChNN's books, someone please let me know.)

If a text is restricrd then it should not be quoted from.

Yes, I know that, but I'm not sure about the status of GY. I bought it over a year ago, before (although in preparation for) my first WWT. When ordering it I indicated on the form that I had not had any prior instruction from ChNN.

We who are like children shrink from pain but love its causes. - Shantideva

(If it is inappropriate to post such quotes from ChNN's books, someone please let me know.)

If a text is restricrd then it should not be quoted from.

Yes, I know that, but I'm not sure about the status of GY. I bought it over a year ago, before (although in preparation for) my first WWT. When ordering it I indicated on the form that I had not had any prior instruction from ChNN.

FWIW I bought the GY book too. Well in any event, the quoting is over and I’ll bear in mind to paraphrase or something next time. Side note, I really appreciate the community discussion that happens on this thread. I’ve learned a lot and am totally grateful.

"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart: Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."

"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart: Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."

Last edited by javier.espinoza.t on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:50 am, edited 2 times in total.

"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart: Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."

"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart: Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."

Last edited by javier.espinoza.t on Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

"Don't profess a view you haven't realized!
Since the view is devoid of viewing, mind essence is an expanse of great emptiness.
Since the meditation is without meditating, leave your individual experience free from fixation.
Since the conduct is without acting, it is unfabricated naturalness.
Since the fruition is without abandoning or achieving, it is the dharmakaya of great bliss.
These four sentences are words from my heart: Contradict them and you fail to discover the nature of Ati Yoga."