I know you dont really talk much at all AD, other than when you mysteriously do a triple soukhihara to dissmiss anything that David Icke says, but who in your honest opinion is your best choice for ending the endless wars and auditing the fed ?

but not if it's outside the us, canada, and western europe. they deserved it. we're clean and that policy is going to continue. see? nothing's black or white. any shade of grey needed can be called upon. or ignored...

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Stupid Evil vs Regular Evil....Don't know who to root for in that war.vince :

slimmouse wrote: I know you dont really talk much at all AD, other than when you mysteriously do a triple soukhihara to dissmiss anything that David Icke says, but who in your honest opinion is your best choice for ending the endless wars and auditing the fed ?

Unless of course these arent important to you (LOL)

Voting in the U.S. elections is only moderately important to me. I am ambivalent about the electoral process but not enough to avoid taking ten minutes to vote.

In precincts where the result seems pretty well assured, I would support voting for a decent third-party candidate, In past years, this has meant people like Ralph Nader, or maybe Cynthia McKinney. This year remains to be seen, for me...

American Dream wrote:Voting in the U.S. elections is only moderately important to me. I am ambivalent about the electoral process but not enough to avoid taking ten minutes to vote.

In precincts where the result seems pretty well assured, I would support voting for a decent third-party candidate, In past years, this has meant people like Ralph Nader, or maybe Cynthia McKinney. This year remains to be seen, for me...

Well, to be fair, at least its microscopically as important as the amount of time you spend doing your stuff on here.

So who is our best bet in your esteemed opinion to ending the fractional reserve lending system ?

American Dream wrote:Voting in the U.S. elections is only moderately important to me. I am ambivalent about the electoral process but not enough to avoid taking ten minutes to vote.

In precincts where the result seems pretty well assured, I would support voting for a decent third-party candidate, In past years, this has meant people like Ralph Nader, or maybe Cynthia McKinney. This year remains to be seen, for me...

Well, to be fair, at least its microscopically as important as the amount of time you spend doing your stuff on here.

So who is our best bet in your esteemed opinion to ending the fractional reserve lending system ?

Or the War without end ?

Or are they not that important to you ?

I think the solution includes changes in those areas but goes far, far beyond it.

As to who has a chance of changing the status quo- the two winged eagle seems to have things pretty well locked up for the moment.

Those people are haters and it is instructive to read some of that material. Where ever the source or intent of this is, it remains that while this exposure can generate more hate it's also part of a necessary education.

Besides if the PTMB do not want Ron Paul to be president then he will not be president, and crying in our beer is a poor kind of entertainment.

Oddly enough back in the day the group I hung out with, while being explicitly anti-racist still welcomed the occasional racist. The exchanges were funny and I know for certain that the stance that one specific racist took softened a great deal. (I told him early on that maybe he and his friends should move to Idaho, and he could find out just how well fags, niggers and artists can fight.)

Well, that's a hell of a lot of overt racist/white supremacist connections, and I appreciate the information.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to understand how honest people, whatever your politics exactly, can be so obsessed with the Federal Reserve and yet miss all the transnational corporations that actually run the world. It's quite a mystery to me.

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wordspeak2 wrote:Well, that's a hell of a lot of overt racist/white supremacist connections, and I appreciate the information.

I'm trying to understand how honest people, whatever your politics exactly, can be so obsessed with the Federal Reserve and yet miss all the transnational corporations that actually run the world. It's quite a mystery to me.

Its really not that complicated once you understand that they are one and the same, or is it ?

slimmouse wrote:What in your opinion is more important than the permanent elimination of constant enslavement of humanity through fractional reserve lending, and blowing people up for no reason ?

I'm trying to understand how honest people, whatever your politics exactly, can be so obsessed with the Federal Reserve and yet miss all the transnational corporations that actually run the world. It's quite a mystery to me

society trapped in a closed financial loop of irredeemable currency built upon debt and protected by government force is what makes a transnational corporation possible in the first place. otherwise, you would never get arugula out of season in kansas city shipped from new zealand. currently alot of smoke goes into the air to get it there. a pet issue of many i believe.

those transnationals report to their federal reserve networked banks every financial quarter. but more regulations will fix everything right?

Stupid Evil vs Regular Evil....Don't know who to root for in that war.vince :

Well, I personally think that a statement against imperialism and the Drug War is so important that I'm still considering voting for RP in my state's open primary. I've seen plenty of videos of Paul, and I believe I know who he is and understand the "right-wing populism phenomenon. There's zero doubt that it's linked to unsavory characters. I've read my Chip Berlet. But the extent of it can still be shocking... David Duke's not really cool.

That said, though, I lost you guys a bit on the Federal Reserve. Paul's vision of the world certainly still includes transnational corporations running the show and no democratic powers ("regulations") holding them in check. This Ayn Rand-inspired vision is antithetical to peace and equality. It's really just idiotic. The problem isn't just the Federal Reserve; it's the system of capitalism. The banking industry is a very central part of that, yes, but only a part of it. Let's talk about the WTO, IMF, World Bank, NAFTA, etc. Let's talk about sweatshop labor, brutal exploitation of third world workers, etc. This is the system we live under. Unfortunately, only the Dennis Kucinich's and Cynthia McKinney's address these things. The Federal Reserve is one part of a massive global scam known as capitalism. Michael Moore speaks about it approximately 100 times more accurately than Ron Paul. Yet I believe Ron Paul to be sincere, humanistic in his intention, and not consciously racist himself, though he sure draws that crowd....

Elihu, I'm curious what your vision of societal transformation is.

"society trapped in a closed financial loop of irredeemable currency built upon debt and protected by government force"Well, protected by military force, ultimately.

slimmouse wrote: Well, to be fair, at least its microscopically as important as the amount of time you spend doing your stuff on here.

So who is our best bet in your esteemed opinion to ending the fractional reserve lending system ?

Or the War without end ?

Or are they not that important to you ?

There is no Who! The examples you give are institutions at this point. Both are much larger than any one elected official could hope to stop.What's the best case scenario? Ron Paul gets elected, puts on a sweater, and proceeds to explain to us just how fucked we are! (A la Jimmy Carter http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-energy/) And just like Carter, the AmeriDUH people will choose to ignore it and I guarantee will latch on to next Smiling Tool whispering "It's morning in Amerikuh" to them.And that's without mentioning the circle jerk Congress blocking any legitimate attempt to stifle the monied interests- who wield the real power in this country.So we elect an instant Lame Duck with a hopeless agenda, representing a base whose only dream is to roll us back to good ole '50s. The 1850's apparently!I'm failing to see the upside.