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Just came back from the vet, I know they're not a traditional doctor but the same rule applies.

These people, and I'm generalizing here, will do anything to make a few extra bucks off you. "Oh looks like you need this vaccine, oh it looks like there's an issue here too", "hey come back next time for a much needed follow-up", "hey here's this medicine that you can do without".

Goddamn man, they are evil scum lol. Don't know they that they are dealing with the health and livelihood of actual living beings?

When capitalism was invented Adam Smith spoke of "enlightened self-interest", meaning that pursuing your self interest is and should help the common good.

These types of people have turned capitalism into something grotesque and parasitic, it's disgusting.

You're one of the lucky ones, I've encountered scummy money hungry doctors for the most part.

They treat you like commodities and not human beings. It's one thing if this were a lawyer, but your health is the important thing you have in life. And for someone to exploit you on that, that's as low as it gets.

One time I went to two dermatologist for this rash I was having an issue with. The first one I went to prescribed me this expensive ass medicine and kept insisting I come back for a useless follow-up.

After weeks of using that medicine and seeing no improvement I went to another dermatologist. This dude was like hey you're fine, it'll go away by itself and you should stop using that medicine. I shook his hand and thanked him so much, doctors like that are rare.

Yeah no.. I'm going to disagree with you. As someone who's married to a fantastic vet and just watched her suffer through school..

First off, how much money do you think Vets make? I mean, they're always pushing stuff at the clinic, they must be rich right? Average starting salary for a vet is $65,000. My wife spent $300,000 plus on in state tuition. Veterinarians have one of the worst debt-income ratios for professionals.

Do you know what the average MD makes? In my area, around $130,000 and their school for public institution is less expensive.

Also, veterinarians typically LOSE money on vaccines.

Are there bad vets? Sure. But the majority of them are doctors who genuinely care about the health of their patient.

I listen daily to my wife cry about patients that get shitty quality of life because their owners won't do a certain procedure or take her professional advice because google says you can just give them an aspirin (which kills dogs btw).

So yeah, your vet actually wanted the best quality of life for your pet, but you're mentally conditioned to think anything with a dollar amount is a sales pitch.

Oh, also Vets are the top 5 suicide rates by profession.

I get that you're trying to joke about it, forgive me if I take it personal.

Say what you will about the Canadian healthcare system, but I've never once been offered anything extra by any doctor I've gone to. Hell I had to twist the arm of a doctor to get antibiotics for my son last year.

Vets though? Yeah, I love animals but I'm not going to lie when I say that vet bills on a previous pet is a main reason I currently don't own an animal.

Yeah no.. I'm going to disagree with you. As someone who's married to a fantastic vet and just watched her suffer through school..

First off, how much money do you think Vets make? I mean, they're always pushing stuff at the clinic, they must be rich right? Average starting salary for a vet is $65,000. My wife spent $300,000 plus on in state tuition. Veterinarians have one of the worst debt-income ratios for professionals.

Do you know what the average MD makes? In my area, around $130,000 and their school for public institution is less expensive.

Also, veterinarians typically LOSE money on vaccines.

Are there bad vets? Sure. But the majority of them are doctors who genuinely care about the health of their patient.

I listen daily to my wife cry about patients that get shitty quality of life because their owners won't do a certain procedure or take her professional advice because google says you can just give them an aspirin (which kills dogs btw).

So yeah, your vet actually wanted the best quality of life for your pet, but you're mentally conditioned to think anything with a dollar amount is a sales pitch.

Oh, also Vets are the top 5 suicide rates by profession.

I get that you're trying to joke about it, forgive me if I take it personal.

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I said I was speaking in general terms, I don't know anything about your wife lol. This is based on my personal experience and most who live around me

But I don't understand your argument, so because they made a CHOICE to go to college and get into debt its ok for them to treat clients like commodities and try to make as much money as possible from them, rather than giving them the treatment that they or whoever is being treated needs?

That's not fair or reasonable.

We're talking about our health and the health of our loved ones, not a store or a car.

I said I was speaking in general terms, I don't know anything about your wife lol. This is based on my personal experience and most who live around me

But I don't understand your argument, so because they made a CHOICE to go to college and get into debt its ok for them to treat clients like commodities and try to make as much money as possible from them, rather than giving them the treatment that they or whoever is being treated needs?

That's not fair or reasonable.

We're talking about our health and the health of our loved ones, not a store or a car.

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First, my wife could give two shits about money. She grew up dirt poor and went to school to become a doctor to pursue her passion, to help animals. She has no desire to make money, hence why I bust my ass to provide for our family. I think it's admirable.

And you PERCEIVE that they're trying to make money. I'll play devils advocate... your cat just ate half a skein of yarn. It's impacted and will die. Who's obligation is it to fix this problem?

Who's responsible for footing the bill?

When I see that surgery is needed I see cost: anesthesia, cost for technician, cost for surgical supplies, cost for recovery meds. All most clients see is that they're being charged $2,000 for a surgery. Do you know what that same surgery costs in human medicine? At least $15,000.

The difference between vet and human medicine is insurance. Insurance foots the bill for treatment, so the price has become inflated. In vet med, they charge at cost for most things.

First, my wife could give two shits about money. She grew up dirt poor and went to school to become a doctor to pursue her passion, to help animals. She has no desire to make money, hence why I bust my ass to provide for our family. I think it's admirable.

And you PERCEIVE that they're trying to make money. I'll play devils advocate... your cat just ate half a skein of yarn. It's impacted and will die. Who's obligation is it to fix this problem?

Who's responsible for footing the bill?

When I see that surgery is needed I see cost: anesthesia, cost for technician, cost for surgical supplies, cost for recovery meds. All most clients see is that they're being charged $2,000 for a surgery. Do you know what that same surgery costs in human medicine? At least $15,000.

The difference between vet and human medicine is insurance. Insurance foots the bill for treatment, so the price has become inflated. In vet med, they charge at cost for most things.

Most surgeries are a loss for vets also.

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Listen, I understand where you're coming from since your wife is a vet and all, but I don't know your wife nor am I speaking about her lol.

I'm merely speaking from my personal experience and expressing the sentiments that millions of other Americans feel as well.

Every profession has their problems and struggles, oh well, you made a choice to enter that profession. Nobody put a gun to their head.

McDonald's employees struggle with money and paying rent and they feel that they should get paid more, I'm sure we all know what this forum's opinion on something like that is...

If my cat ate a skin of yarn, then yeah of course I'm willing to pay the price. But that's such a specific situation and I'm speaking from a generalized point of view.

My wife goes on these rants all the time, vaccines, the pharma industry, whatever.

All I can say is that profit motive, for whatever else it lacks, is sure to bring some competence into the equation.

I go to church with nice people. I have nice people over to my house for dinner. If somebody is cutting my body open, all I want is competence. I want the dude who's self-interest is to keep me alive, even if only so I can pay his bills.

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Say what you will about the Canadian healthcare system, but I've never once been offered anything extra by any doctor I've gone to. Hell I had to twist the arm of a doctor to get antibiotics for my son last year.

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I'm quite thankful for our medical system, honestly. Two of my relatives in the US have gotten surgeries they didn't even need, all so the surgeon could collect a hefty payment. I've talked a lot of shit about our system in the past, but now I'm becoming more appreciative.

I did not hit her. It's not true. It's bullshit. I did not hit her. I did not. Oh hi, Mark.

It's frustrating because the stakes are so high, but some of the problem is frame of reference. In the scope of human history as a whole, it was up until about 5 minutes ago that people were dying from shit that can be cured with like $5 in antibiotics now. Gratitude is the key to sanity.

Also, if something pisses you off, odds are it pisses other people off too, and what you're really seeing is an opportunity to add value for others.

Just sayin'.

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