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Also not sure where you got that Justis said that Fowler was an exception. I've talked to Justis quite a bit even before he ever came out with the FP formula. And his stance has ALWAYS been that Fowler is not a pass rusher.

He said that Fowler was one of his favorite nFP, but never that he would be a successful pass rusher. He argued that Fowler could be successful if you didn't expect a pass rush from him, even stating that he might be best if he bulked up and played inside like Muschamp had him doing early on. He had him ranked 6th out of the pass rushers that year.

Also not sure where you got that Justis said that Fowler was an exception. I've talked to Justis quite a bit even before he ever came out with the FP formula. And his stance has ALWAYS been that Fowler is not a pass rusher.

He said that Fowler was one of his favorite nFP, but never that he would be a successful pass rusher. He argued that Fowler could be successful if you didn't expect a pass rush from him, even stating that he might be best if he bulked up and played inside like Muschamp had him doing early on. He had him ranked 6th out of the pass rushers that year.

His stance was always that Fowler can be a good player, but that he won't be a sack artist.

Yeah, I can see that. I think Fowler can become a solid guy in that department, but not as a 4-3 hand in the ground DE. If you put him at LB and move him around I think that's how he would accumulate his sack production. He won't ever be on Beasley's level, Fowler just got the love I feel like because he can really be disruptive in multiple parts of the game. Beasley was the work in progress in everything but pass rushing (which is what we wanted out of the draft, so I can't say I totally get it from Caldwell's perspective if that is how he decided on Fowler), but as a total player, I think Fowler can be pretty damn good._________________
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Also not sure where you got that Justis said that Fowler was an exception. I've talked to Justis quite a bit even before he ever came out with the FP formula. And his stance has ALWAYS been that Fowler is not a pass rusher.

He said that Fowler was one of his favorite nFP, but never that he would be a successful pass rusher. He argued that Fowler could be successful if you didn't expect a pass rush from him, even stating that he might be best if he bulked up and played inside like Muschamp had him doing early on. He had him ranked 6th out of the pass rushers that year.

His stance was always that Fowler can be a good player, but that he won't be a sack artist.

Yeah, I can see that. I think Fowler can become a solid guy in that department, but not as a 4-3 hand in the ground DE. If you put him at LB and move him around I think that's how he would accumulate his sack production. He won't ever be on Beasley's level, Fowler just got the love I feel like because he can really be disruptive in multiple parts of the game. Beasley was the work in progress in everything but pass rushing (which is what we wanted out of the draft, so I can't say I totally get it from Caldwell's perspective if that is how he decided on Fowler), but as a total player, I think Fowler can be pretty damn good.

I've been harsh on Fowler, but I kinda agree. I don't think he's going to accumulate sacks or be overly disruptive, so that's the differentiating of opinion there. But he can be a good player. My contention is just that if you're taking a guy #3 overall, he needs to be able to generate pressure and be the game breaker that Beasley is, and I don't see that in Fowler. Can he be a Bruce Irvin type? Sure that's possible. But I just don't think that's the type of thing you want at #3.

And if he's gonna be best standing up, I just don't know how you get him in that role for even 50% of defensive snaps if you make him the SLB. Because I can't really see a way you'd want him on the field at LB over Telvin in nickel formations.

That's really my contention with him. We needed an every down pass rusher, the data said that Beasley was that guy, and we drafted a jack of all trades, master of none guy instead._________________
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Also not sure where you got that Justis said that Fowler was an exception. I've talked to Justis quite a bit even before he ever came out with the FP formula. And his stance has ALWAYS been that Fowler is not a pass rusher.

He said that Fowler was one of his favorite nFP, but never that he would be a successful pass rusher. He argued that Fowler could be successful if you didn't expect a pass rush from him, even stating that he might be best if he bulked up and played inside like Muschamp had him doing early on. He had him ranked 6th out of the pass rushers that year.

His stance was always that Fowler can be a good player, but that he won't be a sack artist.

Yeah, I can see that. I think Fowler can become a solid guy in that department, but not as a 4-3 hand in the ground DE. If you put him at LB and move him around I think that's how he would accumulate his sack production. He won't ever be on Beasley's level, Fowler just got the love I feel like because he can really be disruptive in multiple parts of the game. Beasley was the work in progress in everything but pass rushing (which is what we wanted out of the draft, so I can't say I totally get it from Caldwell's perspective if that is how he decided on Fowler), but as a total player, I think Fowler can be pretty damn good.

I've been harsh on Fowler, but I kinda agree. I don't think he's going to accumulate sacks or be overly disruptive, so that's the differentiating of opinion there. But he can be a good player. My contention is just that if you're taking a guy #3 overall, he needs to be able to generate pressure and be the game breaker that Beasley is, and I don't see that in Fowler. Can he be a Bruce Irvin type? Sure that's possible. But I just don't think that's the type of thing you want at #3.

And if he's gonna be best standing up, I just don't know how you get him in that role for even 50% of defensive snaps if you make him the SLB. Because I can't really see a way you'd want him on the field at LB over Telvin in nickel formations.

That's really my contention with him. We needed an every down pass rusher, the data said that Beasley was that guy, and we drafted a jack of all trades, master of none guy instead.

Definitely going to be interesting how we use him. I am fairly sure Wash is going to go to a traditional 4-3 scheme if he ends up our DC, and Fowler like I said with his hand on the ground I don't see making a large impact when it comes to pass rushing.

Poz played pretty well this year so I expect him to keep staying on til he falls off, and with Jack here I expect him to likely stick at the SLB (no way we continue trotting Skuta out there with Gus and that OTTO [inappropriate/removed] gone) because he does need to be on the field.

So yeah, not really sure how it'll all work out yet until we hear what defense Wash runs as well as where they plan to stick him. I am happy that he is going to work with Von Miller and co. over the offseason to improve some things but ultimately it's not very likely he ends up being what they likely had in mind for him._________________
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