As a Jedi, Anakin was pretty powerful, however, he was lacking in the wisdom and knowledge department. By Return of the Jedi, as a Sith Lord, he's pretty powerful. Anyone who can kill Palaptine by sheer, brute force at this point in time is not someone to be toyed with.

Plagueis at the height of his power had a decent amount of knowledge, wisdom, and Force power. Yet as powerful as he was, he was still vulnerable. Where Anakin managed to kill Palpatine, Plagueis failed._________________
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Did he really try, though? Did he really want to? My impression from the novel was that - erm, I'll put it in spoilers:

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My impression was that, while he was open to testing Palpatine - and if those tests happened to have killed him, then so be it - he wasn't really interested in doing away with Palpatine. More interested in having a partner with which to rule. Granted, he may have had the idea to kill off Palpatine later down the line, once he's firmly established as co-chancellor, but since he's killed before that happens, we can't really know.

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:42 am

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Darth SkuldrenModerator

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I was thinking just of the final showdown. Plagueis dropped his guard and allowed his apprentice to get him drunk and sleepy. Sidious attacked him with Force lightning and a Force choke, and Plagueis was unable to resist and take him out. Plagueis lost that fight, even when he tried using the Force to preserve his midichlorians.

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I was thinking just of the final showdown. Plagueis dropped his guard and allowed his apprentice to get him drunk and sleepy. Sidious attacked him with Force lightning and a Force choke, and Plagueis was unable to resist and take him out. Plagueis lost that fight, even when he tried using the Force to preserve his midichlorians.

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I see. Okay, what about in a fair fight - as in, when he wasn't drunk or asleep?

On another note, and not entirely fitting with this thread, so I'll be brief: The back cover blurb asks if Plagueis is the only Sith to have never died. Do you think that's a ploy to make the reader think, as the novel continues up to and including events of TPM, that Plagueis was never killed? As a way of lending intrigue to the plot, where we'd otherwise have thought that he wasn't actually killed. The prologue could add more confusion and intrigue if this was the case. Or do you think it's hinting towards Plagueis living on after death, and that his attempt to use the Force to preserve his midichlorians succeeded, and that Palpatine didn't sense it?

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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:16 am

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I think the back cover was just some fluff for gaining interest and selling books. I doubt it's anything of credibility._________________
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:48 pm

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Darth Skuldren wrote:

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I was thinking just of the final showdown. Plagueis dropped his guard and allowed his apprentice to get him drunk and sleepy. Sidious attacked him with Force lightning and a Force choke, and Plagueis was unable to resist and take him out. Plagueis lost that fight, even when he tried using the Force to preserve his midichlorians.

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You know what I wonder about:

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Was Plagueis killed because he couldn't resist Palpatine's onslaught or was it because he was so convinced in his abilities to command the midi-chlorians that he actually thought he could survive.
It seems in the novel when Plagueis is attacked he has a moment where he could have chosen to counter attack or at least try to block Sidious' attack. Instead he seems to immediately start to manipulate his own midi-chlorians.

_________________"Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong.
Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should."

"You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

I think you have a good point, Reedius. I could see that being one way of how it went down._________________
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:23 am

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I don't know.

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He couldn't heal himself enough to get rid of his raspirator, why would he asume, that he can now insta heal a Force choke.

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:58 pm

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Because he doesn't heal himself, but he commands his midi-chlorians to keep him alive, there's a big difference. This is how he survived the attack on Coruscant in the first place. The respirator is, I think, just so that Plagueis doesn't have to continually force his midi-chlorians to keep him alive. But after his throat is slit by those throwing knives he should have been dead, but he willed his midi-chlorians to keep him alive.
It seemed to me when Sidous attacked him he was confident that he could overcome anything Sidious would throw at him and only realized he was wrong when it was to late.

_________________"Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong.
Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should."

"You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

He was drunk and weary, blasted by a Sith lightning and than choked, while listening to "this is Plagueis in the form of Hego Damask...." speech.

Sure he tried to influece his midi-chlorians, but it was all he had left. Sidious even mocked him for it.

I may have missinterpreted something, but it looked like he knew he was doomed, from my prespective.

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:13 pm

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It might be a point of view thing...
Your version could be true too. It depends on how defenseless you (the reader) believe Plagueis to be in that instant._________________"Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong.
Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should."

"You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."