Gary Emanuel: Today is April the...
Patricia Conway: 6th.
Gary Emanuel: 6th. And we’re here in Flagstaff with an oral interview with Patricia Conway, a 1965 graduate of Arizona State College. Now I have a series of questions, if it’s alright, that we’ll be going through.
Patricia Conway: Sure.
Gary Emanuel: Let’s start with something fairly simple. Why don’t you tell us what year you graduated and what your subject area was and that type of thing?
Patricia Conway: Boy, I don’t know. I don’t remember what year I graduated in. ’69? Was it ’69?
Gary Emanuel: Well it says ’65.
Patricia Conway: Okay, ’65. See I went on to get my uh...
Gary Emanuel: Masters?
Patricia Conway: Masters, yeah.
Gary Emanuel: And what was your degree in?
Patricia Conway: My degree was in Education.
Gary Emanuel: Elementary?
Patricia Conway: Yes.
Gary Emanuel: Okay, what role did you have in education following graduation?
Patricia Conway: I taught fourth grade at Killip School for I don’t know, thirty four years.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness.
Patricia Conway: Actually thirty five years but it changed its name. It started out; I’m trying to call it up. You know it comes to me naturally but when I try to call it up.
Gary Emanuel: Oh I know.
Patricia Conway: It takes a bit.
Gary Emanuel: So was that in the early years that it changed its name?
Patricia Conway: Yes. It was... I’m trying to think of the name of the school. What the name was. It became Killip School, it was named after one of the superintendents. And before that it was, oh boy, what was the name of the school?
Gary Emanuel: I interviewed Joyce Killip.
Patricia Conway: Oh.
Gary Emanuel: His widow and goodness she’s ninety some odd years old but she was telling tales about the early years of education back then. Well, start with telling me a little bit about what did the campus of Arizona State College look like? Now what year would you have come? You said you went to USC first.
Patricia Conway: Yes. So I went, if I graduated in ’65 then that would have been about ’63 that I went there.
Gary Emanuel: About the same time I was there then. What was the campus like?
Patricia Conway: It was very much smaller than it is now.
Gary Emanuel: Yes.
Patricia Conway: And actually there was no South campus at that time. So it was just the North campus. And I mostly attended the elementary school down in the, when I call it, it wants to run away. What was the name of that?
Gary Emanuel: Was it the lab school?
Patricia Conway: Yeah.
Gary Emanuel: They had a lab school.
Patricia Conway: Yes it was in there. That was down stairs.
Gary Emanuel: Oh in the College of Ed, Eastburn building?
Patricia Conway: Eastburn, yes.
Gary Emanuel: Uh huh.
Patricia Conway: Eastburn.
Gary Emanuel: Okay.
Patricia Conway: And my up school was on the and Miss, who was it that, any how it doesn’t matter.
Gary Emanuel: In the Eastburn building.
Patricia Conway: Education building yeah.
Gary Emanuel: Uh huh.
Patricia Conway: And so that’s most of the classes where you were. Were you housed on campus?
Gary Emanuel: No, I lived at home.
Patricia Conway: Okay.
Gary Emanuel: Why did you choose to go to ASC from USC?
Patricia Conway: Well things were financially much more affluent at the time that I went to USC. It was just a very, very expensive college.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: And then I went to ASC because I was here. I lived in Flagstaff and I wanted to finish eventually and I had a chance to finish my education so that was handy.
Gary Emanuel: So when you were at USC, were you studying education at that time?
Patricia Conway: No I wasn’t studying. Actually I was an art major.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness. Yes.
Patricia Conway: And I don’t if it was a major or a minor. I don’t remember what my, I don’t think I had a major. It was just something that I hadn’t focused in on anything yet at that time.
Gary Emanuel: Well how did ASC help you make your determination to go into Education?
Patricia Conway: Oh, well I made my decision before I went back to ASC.
Gary Emanuel: Oh I see.
Patricia Conway: I had decided that that was the best place that I could make any money and I had two children to raise and I needed to make some money and that was the best place you could go at that time.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: Many more places now but I can understand not going into education anymore but that was the most affluent one.
Gary Emanuel: So for a female in that time period, the education would have been one of the more attractive careers?
Patricia Conway: Yeah.
Gary Emanuel: Okay. Well talk to me about your fellow students during that time period. What do you remember, makeup of the student population being?
Patricia Conway: They were all younger than I was and I really, since I lived at home and had two children to raise, I didn’t spend a lot of time on campus. You know?
Gary Emanuel: Mmhmm.
Patricia Conway: And I associated with them in class but that was about it as far as any time out of class, no I was busy.
Gary Emanuel: Do you remember anything about the racial or gender maybe? Make up, was it mostly girls? Was it mostly Anglo?
Patricia Conway: Yeah I think it was probably mostly Anglo. There were certainly not as many Indians as there are now. And I would think there was a good population of Mexicans and that’s all I remember.
Gary Emanuel: Were the others like you working to get through or did they?
Patricia Conway: Some of them were but some of them were just coming straight out of high school and they were going to college, they were just playing around. You know how college students can be.
(Laughing)
Gary Emanuel: Tell me how did you pay for your college experience?
Patricia Conway: I earned, I got scholarships.
Gary Emanuel: Ah. Did you also work during that time?
Patricia Conway: Yes. I worked for the Chamber of Commerce.
Gary Emanuel: Wow. Where was that located back then?
Patricia Conway: It was located, I think it’s the same place as it is now. On the corner...
Gary Emanuel: On the railroad tracks?
Patricia Conway: The corner of Beaver and Santa Fe.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness. I never remembered it being back there. Do you have any idea of what it cost to go to school back then?
Patricia Conway: Oh boy, I don’t remember. I got in on scholarships mostly.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: And I didn’t pay, I came out pretty even. I had to put forth some money but mostly a scholarship handled it. I’m thinking of hundreds of dollars. Not thousands but hundreds of dollars.
Gary Emanuel: Ah. Well tell me about any extracurricular activities. Were you involved in any?
Patricia Conway: No.
Gary Emanuel: Okay.
Patricia Conway: I was busy raising my boys.
Gary Emanuel: And were you and your boys involved at all in any of the sports of that time period? Okay. Well talk to me about some of the teachers or school administrators from ASC that you remember or were memorable?
Patricia Conway: I don’t remember the names. Boy. I was looking to see any information. All I’ve got are my diplomas. I was trying to remember, see by the time I graduated, I graduated from Arizona State College, but when I went and got my Masters they changed to Northern Arizona University.
Gary Emanuel: Oh Yeah.
Patricia Conway: But I’m trying to remember the one teacher that. My memory is not what I used to be.
Gary Emanuel: What was the subject?

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Gary Emanuel: Today is April the...
Patricia Conway: 6th.
Gary Emanuel: 6th. And we’re here in Flagstaff with an oral interview with Patricia Conway, a 1965 graduate of Arizona State College. Now I have a series of questions, if it’s alright, that we’ll be going through.
Patricia Conway: Sure.
Gary Emanuel: Let’s start with something fairly simple. Why don’t you tell us what year you graduated and what your subject area was and that type of thing?
Patricia Conway: Boy, I don’t know. I don’t remember what year I graduated in. ’69? Was it ’69?
Gary Emanuel: Well it says ’65.
Patricia Conway: Okay, ’65. See I went on to get my uh...
Gary Emanuel: Masters?
Patricia Conway: Masters, yeah.
Gary Emanuel: And what was your degree in?
Patricia Conway: My degree was in Education.
Gary Emanuel: Elementary?
Patricia Conway: Yes.
Gary Emanuel: Okay, what role did you have in education following graduation?
Patricia Conway: I taught fourth grade at Killip School for I don’t know, thirty four years.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness.
Patricia Conway: Actually thirty five years but it changed its name. It started out; I’m trying to call it up. You know it comes to me naturally but when I try to call it up.
Gary Emanuel: Oh I know.
Patricia Conway: It takes a bit.
Gary Emanuel: So was that in the early years that it changed its name?
Patricia Conway: Yes. It was... I’m trying to think of the name of the school. What the name was. It became Killip School, it was named after one of the superintendents. And before that it was, oh boy, what was the name of the school?
Gary Emanuel: I interviewed Joyce Killip.
Patricia Conway: Oh.
Gary Emanuel: His widow and goodness she’s ninety some odd years old but she was telling tales about the early years of education back then. Well, start with telling me a little bit about what did the campus of Arizona State College look like? Now what year would you have come? You said you went to USC first.
Patricia Conway: Yes. So I went, if I graduated in ’65 then that would have been about ’63 that I went there.
Gary Emanuel: About the same time I was there then. What was the campus like?
Patricia Conway: It was very much smaller than it is now.
Gary Emanuel: Yes.
Patricia Conway: And actually there was no South campus at that time. So it was just the North campus. And I mostly attended the elementary school down in the, when I call it, it wants to run away. What was the name of that?
Gary Emanuel: Was it the lab school?
Patricia Conway: Yeah.
Gary Emanuel: They had a lab school.
Patricia Conway: Yes it was in there. That was down stairs.
Gary Emanuel: Oh in the College of Ed, Eastburn building?
Patricia Conway: Eastburn, yes.
Gary Emanuel: Uh huh.
Patricia Conway: Eastburn.
Gary Emanuel: Okay.
Patricia Conway: And my up school was on the and Miss, who was it that, any how it doesn’t matter.
Gary Emanuel: In the Eastburn building.
Patricia Conway: Education building yeah.
Gary Emanuel: Uh huh.
Patricia Conway: And so that’s most of the classes where you were. Were you housed on campus?
Gary Emanuel: No, I lived at home.
Patricia Conway: Okay.
Gary Emanuel: Why did you choose to go to ASC from USC?
Patricia Conway: Well things were financially much more affluent at the time that I went to USC. It was just a very, very expensive college.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: And then I went to ASC because I was here. I lived in Flagstaff and I wanted to finish eventually and I had a chance to finish my education so that was handy.
Gary Emanuel: So when you were at USC, were you studying education at that time?
Patricia Conway: No I wasn’t studying. Actually I was an art major.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness. Yes.
Patricia Conway: And I don’t if it was a major or a minor. I don’t remember what my, I don’t think I had a major. It was just something that I hadn’t focused in on anything yet at that time.
Gary Emanuel: Well how did ASC help you make your determination to go into Education?
Patricia Conway: Oh, well I made my decision before I went back to ASC.
Gary Emanuel: Oh I see.
Patricia Conway: I had decided that that was the best place that I could make any money and I had two children to raise and I needed to make some money and that was the best place you could go at that time.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: Many more places now but I can understand not going into education anymore but that was the most affluent one.
Gary Emanuel: So for a female in that time period, the education would have been one of the more attractive careers?
Patricia Conway: Yeah.
Gary Emanuel: Okay. Well talk to me about your fellow students during that time period. What do you remember, makeup of the student population being?
Patricia Conway: They were all younger than I was and I really, since I lived at home and had two children to raise, I didn’t spend a lot of time on campus. You know?
Gary Emanuel: Mmhmm.
Patricia Conway: And I associated with them in class but that was about it as far as any time out of class, no I was busy.
Gary Emanuel: Do you remember anything about the racial or gender maybe? Make up, was it mostly girls? Was it mostly Anglo?
Patricia Conway: Yeah I think it was probably mostly Anglo. There were certainly not as many Indians as there are now. And I would think there was a good population of Mexicans and that’s all I remember.
Gary Emanuel: Were the others like you working to get through or did they?
Patricia Conway: Some of them were but some of them were just coming straight out of high school and they were going to college, they were just playing around. You know how college students can be.
(Laughing)
Gary Emanuel: Tell me how did you pay for your college experience?
Patricia Conway: I earned, I got scholarships.
Gary Emanuel: Ah. Did you also work during that time?
Patricia Conway: Yes. I worked for the Chamber of Commerce.
Gary Emanuel: Wow. Where was that located back then?
Patricia Conway: It was located, I think it’s the same place as it is now. On the corner...
Gary Emanuel: On the railroad tracks?
Patricia Conway: The corner of Beaver and Santa Fe.
Gary Emanuel: Oh my goodness. I never remembered it being back there. Do you have any idea of what it cost to go to school back then?
Patricia Conway: Oh boy, I don’t remember. I got in on scholarships mostly.
Gary Emanuel: Yeah.
Patricia Conway: And I didn’t pay, I came out pretty even. I had to put forth some money but mostly a scholarship handled it. I’m thinking of hundreds of dollars. Not thousands but hundreds of dollars.
Gary Emanuel: Ah. Well tell me about any extracurricular activities. Were you involved in any?
Patricia Conway: No.
Gary Emanuel: Okay.
Patricia Conway: I was busy raising my boys.
Gary Emanuel: And were you and your boys involved at all in any of the sports of that time period? Okay. Well talk to me about some of the teachers or school administrators from ASC that you remember or were memorable?
Patricia Conway: I don’t remember the names. Boy. I was looking to see any information. All I’ve got are my diplomas. I was trying to remember, see by the time I graduated, I graduated from Arizona State College, but when I went and got my Masters they changed to Northern Arizona University.
Gary Emanuel: Oh Yeah.
Patricia Conway: But I’m trying to remember the one teacher that. My memory is not what I used to be.
Gary Emanuel: What was the subject?