kalel wrote:
I think Carroll will stand head and shoulders above every other flop when the dust settles.

It *has* to be Torres in my book. The money spent on him is just insane. Arguably, his inverse-midas also heavily contributed to several managers getting the boot (if they were winning, the Old Guard Rebellion probably wouldn't have happened) costing several extra £££ in pay offs on top of his fee and salary.

ElNino9 wrote:
Torres, was back in 07 to the start of 09, the best out and out striker in the world. Absolutely unplayable at times.

I guess that's kind of my point - he's flopped a looooooooong way. As others have said, Carroll was never much more than a caveman who did alright for half a season. That he's still mediocre is no surprise.

That Torres is still, after all this time and all those different managers, a flop is frankly unforgivable!

I still feel like Torres might regain what he has lost. It is incomprehensible that he totally lost it after being SO good.

Trying to think of other latter day strikers that have been totally amazing and then (getting old not included) just totally fallen away and been "ok" but no-where near their former selves. Maybe Jean-Pierre Papin? Wasn't he amazing for two or three years then turned shit (relatively) even when still young?

Youthist wrote:
Trying to think of other latter day strikers that have been totally amazing and then (getting old not included) just totally fallen away and been "ok" but no-where near their former selves. Maybe Jean-Pierre Papin? Wasn't he amazing for two or three years then turned shit (relatively) even when still young?

Amir Zaki had that amazing Bale style purple batch a few seasons ago..

I honestly think Torres would've found something close to his best form had he stayed at Liverpool. It was quite obvious that he loved the club, but such was the size the offer from Chelsea, Liverpool had to take the money.

It's quite obvious from his whole demeanor on the pitch, that he doesn't give a flying shit about Chelsea and didn't really want to go there. I'm sure he hinted as much not long after be left Liverpool, saying it wasn't his descision to leave.

Youthist wrote:
Trying to think of other latter day strikers that have been totally amazing and then (getting old not included) just totally fallen away and been "ok" but no-where near their former selves. Maybe Jean-Pierre Papin? Wasn't he amazing for two or three years then turned shit (relatively) even when still young?

Michael Owen has to be up there. David Bentley too, if I think about it. Going back a bit, Weren't there a few Everton players that were massively hyped, got big moves (relatively for the time) and swiftly imploded? Jeffers? Oster? Cademarteri? Or was it just the former who was the billy big bollix?

nickthegun wrote:
I think, personally, its probably Veron. That was just dick waving by fergie 'check me out, I can drop £30m like its nothing'.

Glad it bit him in the arse.

Not really. Ferguson said he wanted him to try and complete, and adopt a more continental playing style for Europe. However, he was so obviously not suited to the English game, that when a £16m offer came in for someone, who essentially was used in Europe, we had to take it.

Youthist wrote:
Trying to think of other latter day strikers that have been totally amazing and then (getting old not included) just totally fallen away and been "ok" but no-where near their former selves. Maybe Jean-Pierre Papin? Wasn't he amazing for two or three years then turned shit (relatively) even when still young?

Amir Zaki had that amazing Bale style purple batch a few seasons ago..

To successfully pull off the ironic trolling move, you have to have not recently already posted number of similar things deadly seriously, otherwise it all just blends into one.