Serbia will deliver weapons to Iraq worth 100 million dollars02/09/2009

MOSCOW, September 1. (ARMS-TASS). Serbia has signed an agreement with the Iraqi government worth 100 million dollars for the supply of arms to Sun that country, reports Business News.

Details of the contract were not disclosed, but, as reported by the Belgrade newspaper "Blitz" Defense Minister Dragan Sutanovac, under the contract will involve all six of the Serbian defense companies, which will provide employment to 6 thousand workers.

In early August, Dragan Sutanovac and Defense Minister Abdul Qader Jassim of Iraq in Baghdad signed an agreement on cooperation in defense sector, providing for the sale to Iraq of the Serbian military equipment as well as training Iraqi soldiers at the Military Academy in Belgrade.

Total value of Serbia in the last year of contracts for the Iraqi Armed Forces weapons and equipment amounted to 235 million dollars. In particular, aircraft construction enterprise "Utva" (Pancevo) must put Iraq 20 light aircraft "Fins-95" in an armed version of the framework contract worth about 40 million dollars. The agreement includes an option to sell an additional 15 PTA. In addition, involve the supply of 17 thousand guns, mortars and assorted ammunition.

High interest guidelines developed by the Iraqi Defense Ministry called the company "Yugoimport SDPR" bids "Lazar" wheel formula 8x8, capable of transporting 11 troops.

In 2008, according to official figures, the Serbian defense industry had 4.5% of the total exports of Serbia, whose value amounted to about 10.5 billion dollars.

Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country's "tank of the future", at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.

The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.

Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.

"Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient," Stojanovic said.

Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country's "tank of the future", at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.

The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.

Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.

"Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient," Stojanovic said.

Really interesting how similar it is to the design that speculated Armata design we saw leading up before the reveal. Did the Serbians build a completely new tank ground up or did they use existing systems?

They've managed to knock-out a prototype of a tank with a crew armoured capsule and complete automation like the Armata; within barely a few months of the Armata being revealed?Gotta be some kind of record.

Good to see that Serbia's tank-production technology hasn't decayed; actually I'm very impressed - they're far ahead of everyone else it seems.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Really interesting how similar it is to the design that speculated Armata design we saw leading up before the reveal. Did the Serbians build a completely new tank ground up or did they use existing systems?

From what I know, the chassis is an extended version of the M-90 Vihor's and the gun will be 2A46-based.

It seems like most everything is an upgrade of equipment Serbia has used on tanks... My question is how well the FCS will perform.

flamming_python wrote:They've managed to knock-out a prototype of a tank with a crew armoured capsule and complete automation like the Armata; within barely a few months of the Armata being revealed?Gotta be some kind of record.

Good to see that Serbia's tank-production technology hasn't decayed; actually I'm very impressed - they're far ahead of everyone else it seems.

On this thread please keep the talk of the Serbian tank armata related, and on the serbian thread serbia related...

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Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country's "tank of the future", at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.

The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.

Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.

"Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient," Stojanovic said.

From what I can tell turret will be easiest part because it looks like it is comprised of components that are already available. Some in prototype form, others as off the shelf products.

Rest of it might be trickier but it is doable. Main difficulty will be getting douchebags in MoD to sign orders. Our defence firms have loads of stuff ready to go: new MRLS, MRAPs, MANPADS, ATGMs, drones,SAMs... list goes on.

Tech is not the problem, getting politicians to shell out the cash is

I would love to see this project taking off. It will never be near Armata but it is not supposed to. It will be more than good enough for Serbia and other countries in our weight class.

Our guys are long overdue for some shopping and they definitely deserve this new hog.

PapaDragon wrote:From what I can tell turret will be easiest part because it looks like it is comprised of components that are already available. Some in prototype form, others as off the shelf products.

Rest of it might be trickier but it is doable. Main difficulty will be getting douchebags in MoD to sign orders. Our defence firms have loads of stuff ready to go: new MRLS, MRAPs, MANPADS, ATGMs, drones,SAMs... list goes on.

Tech is not the problem, getting politicians to shell out the cash is

I would love to see this project taking off. It will never be near Armata but it is not supposed to. It will be more than good enough for Serbia and other countries in our weight class.

Our guys are long overdue for some shopping and they definitely deserve this new hog.

Ooh PD, don't you get it, it doesn't matter how many top of the line great quality weapons these Serbian defence firms shell out, in the end there politicians will never buy, they are simply waiting for these firms to collapse so they can allow there EU/U.S overlords to buy them of, and then say we have to join NATO/EU look at how broken our industry is.

Serbia has presented a concept of the М-20UP-1, the country's "tank of the future", at the Partner 2015 military exhibition in Belgrade. Designers said that they were inspired by the Russian-made Armata tank when developing the М-20UP-1, according to the Serbian news website Vecernje Novosti Online.

The project cost of the production of one M-20UP-1 stands at five million euros.

Goran Stojanovic, head of the working group to develop the tank, said that the М-20UP-1 will not compete with the Armata tank.

"Our tank will be closer to the [Russian-made] T-90 tank in terms of combat capabilities. We are short of money, and our economic potential is not developed enough to let us compete with the Russians. But by using a design [resembling] those of advanced tanks across the world, we have developed the weapon of the future: cheap, modern and efficient," Stojanovic said.

From what I can tell turret will be easiest part because it looks like it is comprised of components that are already available. Some in prototype form, others as off the shelf products.

Rest of it might be trickier but it is doable. Main difficulty will be getting douchebags in MoD to sign orders. Our defence firms have loads of stuff ready to go: new MRLS, MRAPs, MANPADS, ATGMs, drones,SAMs... list goes on.

Tech is not the problem, getting politicians to shell out the cash is

I would love to see this project taking off. It will never be near Armata but it is not supposed to. It will be more than good enough for Serbia and other countries in our weight class.

Our guys are long overdue for some shopping and they definitely deserve this new hog.

That what is represented like NEW SERBIAN TANK exist only in the mind and drawing tables of some too enthusiastic, disconnected whit economic reality persone in serbia:face: , and many other things ...to be funniest lesser problem of all other is good engineers and extremely good practician which will be capable to make everything , but Facillity , Tools , Money and more less, except Meteo sensor and few others, like is modern (SUV) or Sight-Vision-System for Fire(shooting) Control ;from various type of visions, to the systems like is Hunter _killer , then APS, etc, actually all highly sophisticated Sensors,For example for some kind of APS, APS it self, Sight-Vision-Shooting management system also if not whole, then some of main parts also must be imported, which by default is unsustainable dependence when comes to the importance of weapon system like is MBT. which altogether means, Even that Money will appear, and if Serbian engineers wish to made 99% Serbian , Highly modern and war worthy weapon systems in shape of MBT, that process will be last at list 4 years for first "self propelled" prototype. Only in case of making some kind cooperation whit Croatia and Slovenia, today can be possible to made something which would not be just another modernisation of T72, Croatian also isn't capable to made serial production of brand new from scratch making MBT,Neither Slovenia, Together will be possible.

That what is represented like NEW SERBIAN TANK exist only in the mind and drawing tables of some too enthusiastic, disconnected whit economic reality persone in serbia:face: , and many other things ...to be funniest lesser problem of all other is good engineers and extremely good practician which will be capable to make everything , but Facillity , Tools , Money and more less, except Meteo sensor and few others, like is modern (SUV) or Sight-Vision-System for Fire(shooting) Control ;from various type of visions, to the systems like is Hunter _killer , then APS, etc, actually all highly sophisticated Sensors,For example for some kind of APS, APS it self, Sight-Vision-Shooting management system also if not whole, then some of main parts also must be imported, which by default is unsustainable dependence when comes to the importance of weapon system like is MBT. which altogether means, Even that Money will appear, and if Serbian engineers wish to made 99% Serbian , Highly modern and war worthy weapon systems in shape of MBT, that process will be last at list 4 years for first "self propelled" prototype. Only in case of making some kind cooperation whit Croatia and Slovenia, today can be possible to made something which would not be just another modernisation of T72, Croatian also isn't capable to made serial production of brand new from scratch making MBT,Neither Slovenia, Together will be possible.

I am fully aware of everything you just said. Don't kill the messenger...

There are many items in alot better condition than those you can see here:

However reality is that alot of equipment lacked good storage facilities due to bombing in 1999. and that Serbia pulled alot of equipment from Croatia and Bosnia which overcrowded existing facilities on Serbian soil. So we got stuff like this happening:

Last couple of years situation got better, they built few new storage facilities, and destroyed older obsolete ammunition but i belive still plenty of decommisioned vehicles and equipment sets are rotting like this on some random field. Thanks God at least explosives are not just laying around.

Few pics of new or repaired storage facilities under command of Central Logistic Base: