You won't make them go poof over night but through regulation you can greatly reduce their numbers over time. Try buying some antique firearms and
see how hard it is to find them and then look at the cost of purchasing one.

There are still some out there but because they are no longer manufactured, have been lost or broken down, they are exceedingly hard to find. Its the
same principle with anything you want to get rid of.

Indeed Frazzle, more and more often, the consensus seems to be that it isn't about gun control as you say, but people control. We don't have a gun
problem per say, but a people problem. More specifically, a race problem. Since that is a touchy subject, I will only provide a graphic to illustrate
just how much.

This attempt to erode away at the Constitution is showing some positive economic benefits, though.
The firearms industry is doing better than ever, and job are being created nationwide in attempts to meet customer demand.

One solution I never hear mentioned is increasing firearms education and safety awareness, something that can save lives, that politicians and pundits
have never mentioned. Who can argue that educating Americans on how to be more responsible gun owners is not a common sense approach?

But forget all of that for a moment, let's take a look at Chicago.
Following the gun bans there, murders committed with handguns actually rose 40%.
Why is that?

How is it that areas where firearms are banned are seeing increases in related crime, rather than decreasing?
And finally, how can we suggest following this trend which has proven to have the opposite desired effect?

Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it
might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.

Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets
everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.

About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have
multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.

Originally posted by Sek82
Indeed Frazzle, more and more often, the consensus seems to be that it isn't about gun control as you say, but people control. We don't have a gun
problem per say, but a people problem. More specifically, a race problem. Since that is a touchy subject, I will only provide a graphic to illustrate
just how much.

This attempt to erode away at the Constitution is showing some positive economic benefits, though.
The firearms industry is doing better than ever, and job are being created nationwide in attempts to meet customer demand.

One solution I never hear mentioned is increasing firearms education and safety awareness, something that can save lives, that politicians and pundits
have never mentioned. Who can argue that educating Americans on how to be more responsible gun owners is not a common sense approach?

But forget all of that for a moment, let's take a look at Chicago.
Following the gun bans there, murders committed with handguns actually rose 40%.
Why is that?

How is it that areas where firearms are banned are seeing increases in related crime, rather than decreasing?
And finally, how can we suggest following this trend which has proven to have the opposite desired effect?

I think the differential is more of an inequality of wealth potential than race, but that's a different issue.

The statistic I'd like to see is how many gun deaths are committed annually BY law enforcement, especially those against unarmed civilians. That's a
number no one seems to want to touch.

Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it
might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.

Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets
everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.

About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have
multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.

Setting aside the fact that Darce didn't say anything specific about "home defense", are you suggesting that your inability to understand why
anyone would want an AR-15 should be the deciding factor in setting national policy? No offense but you seem to have a very high opinion of your
opinion.

Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it might
be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.

Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets
everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.

About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have
multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.

Its funny when people talk about how hard it is to shoot an AR-15. Bulky? Not really...Sure its a little bit longer in length than you'd want for
close quarters (But how are Shotguns any different?) but it does just fine...Really

Sprays bullets everywhere? No. The gun isnt just going to spray bullets uncontrollably... 1) Civilians only have access to semi auto. I pull the
trigger once and 1 bullet comes out. 2) AR-15s are super easy to fire and dont kick the way Shotguns do.

There are plenty of people out there that would (and do) use their AR-15 for home defense, me included.
I dont want to rely on a shotgun or pistol with 7 shots to protect me from multiple criminals breaking into my house. I dont want to rely on a shotgun
or pistol with 7 shots to protect me during a catastrophic event. I dont want to rely on a shotgun or pistol with 7 shots to protect me Tyranny,
Foreign or Domestic.

How wealth potential ties into this is a whole 'nother topic, something I didn't think about!

Tracking homicides by police is hard, since most departments do such a good job at covering down for each other, and many of their killings end up
ruled justifiable.

Your point about it being difficult to find statistics on law enforcement homicides is alarming.
It highlights a problem with a lack of cross-agency accountability in our nation. Big time. Corruption in law enforcement does exist around this
country due to a lack of it.

By the way Hopechest, in most CQC training, rifles continue to be the primary weapon of choice for most units stateside and abroad. That has been the
case in my experience, anyway.

Haha! Sounds like fun. Unfortunately we can't hunt with ARs in Canada as they are restricted by name and therefore can only be used at RCMP approved
ranges.

I would agree with you that there are plenty of options for home defense, semi auto 5.56/.223 caliber carbines being only one of them. If you're
interested here is a little video on the subject by a well known youtube channel called hickok45:

Honestly he never claims to be an "expert", but he does bring up some good points as to why the AR is a very capable defensive platform.

Honestly, I don't know what the answer is. But I can't see something like Newtown or Aurora happen and not think that something needs to change. I
also can't picture a world where the answer is to just give everyone guns. I fully understand and agree that to a certain extent we need to protect
ourselves, but it's almost like treating the symptoms instead of the disease - there's a reason we have these bad guys with guns killing innocent
people. I'd like to think there's a way to prevent that, but maybe that's just dreaming...

Tracking homicides by police is hard, since most departments do such a good job at covering down for each other, and many of their killings end
up ruled justifiable.

Your point about it being difficult to find statistics on law enforcement homicides is alarming.
It highlights a problem with a lack of cross-agency accountability in our nation. Big time. Corruption in law enforcement does exist around this
country due to a lack of it.

Logistically, police shootings wouldn't be any more difficult to track than gang banger or drive by shootings, they simply refuse to do it. Its
almost funny anymore to hear people still say "they work for us", they only show up after somebody is injured or killed and they seldom find the
guilty party. Sometimes they even manage to shoot the person who reported the crime (in a justified sort of way, dontchaknow). They don't work for us
any more than the military invading foreign countries that lack even a functioning army or navy to defend themselves against our "mighty sword" is
"working for us".

Protect and defend as once taught in the academy morphed into crowd control some years ago, or in the words of Jack McLamb, former police officer and
author of the newsletter "aid and abet", they are now taught to protect the system.
realneo.us...

Yes i agree, that's why law abiding citizens need access to small arms like the AR-15 with standard STANAG 30 round magazines because someday it
might be you VS a dozen machete wielding maniacs.

Honestly, I don't know anyone trained in firearms that would actually use an AR-15 for home defense. The weapon is bulky and sprays bullets
everywhere. A simple 9mm or shotgun is far more qualified to do the job of close quarter fighting.

About the only thing we ever found a use for the AR-15 that some other gun wasn't more suited for was clearing out rattlesnake nests where you have
multiple snakes you need dead quickly. Other than that there is always a better gun to use.

Setting aside the fact that Darce didn't say anything specific about "home defense", are you suggesting that your inability to understand why
anyone would want an AR-15 should be the deciding factor in setting national policy? No offense but you seem to have a very high opinion of your
opinion.

I'm only suggesting that if you want to limit violence with a certain type of weapon that it is certainly possible through taking the proper steps
and giving it enough time. The actual type of firearm is irrelevant.

Haha! Sounds like fun. Unfortunately we can't hunt with ARs in Canada as they are restricted by name and therefore can only be used at RCMP approved
ranges.

I would agree with you that there are plenty of options for home defense, semi auto 5.56/.223 caliber carbines being only one of them. If you're
interested here is a little video on the subject by a well known youtube channel called hickok45:

Honestly he never claims to be an "expert", but he does bring up some good points as to why the AR is a very capable defensive platform.

Some people may prefer it but I have no idea why. I find them extremely clunky and can't hit the broad side of a barn with one. If someone was in my
house I'd take a 9mm any day of the week over an AR-15. I suppose that if you had time, were propped up in a window and saw a car full of people
coming at you from down the street the AR-15 would be better but I highly doubt that situations happen too often like that.

Then you agree with Joe Biden who also says gun types are irrelevant and that they won't stop until they get them all.

How long is it going to take before our caretakers get all the illicit drugs out of our system? Oh wait, they've got our soldiers protecting the
heroin poppies over in Afghanistan as we speak, don't they. That's because they care about you.

Then you agree with Joe Biden who also says gun types are irrelevant and that they won't stop until they get them all.

How long is it going to take before our caretakers get all the illicit drugs out of our system? Oh wait, they've got our soldiers protecting the
heroin poppies over in Afghanistan as we speak, don't they. That's because they care about you.

I don't know what Joe Biden's plans are actually. I'm only saying that if you wanted to limit gun violence by a certain type of weapon that you can
easily do it over time.

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