I've been looking at the wiki but found that there are quite few components compatible to LMCE. For one only three sound cards are mentioned there and all thre are Creative cards and only one is really good. However you can't find it on Creative's web site.

Really looking forward to see your database. Hope all that have information on compatilble hardware share their information.

I love it how people "wait" ... nevermind the information that's in the HWDB, will be .. guess what? WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE WIKI!

*hmm*

GET OFF YOUR FUCKING FREE-LOADING ASSES AND HELP!!!!!

Yes, the hardware supported is limited, much moreso than what Linux currently supports... but unless you are willing to help do your own leg-work on supporting more devices, _BUY WHAT'S LISTED IN THE WIKI!_

Do you think your nasty comments help the community? You probably do more to send people wanting to experience Linuxmce away in droves than any other poster.

You are discouraging, angry, and beligerant.

Maybe you should leave.

Well it's not like you could actually be bothered yourself to answer this crap over and over and over again. So either get off your high horse, roll up your sleeves and actually help out, or simply shut the fuck up.

I love it how people "wait" ... nevermind the information that's in the HWDB, will be .. guess what? WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE WIKI!

*hmm*

GET OFF YOUR FUCKING FREE-LOADING ASSES AND HELP!!!!!

Yes, the hardware supported is limited, much moreso than what Linux currently supports... but unless you are willing to help do your own leg-work on supporting more devices, _BUY WHAT'S LISTED IN THE WIKI!_

is that too hard a concept for all of you?! REALLY?!

-Thom

Thanks for the nice words,

Checking the Creative web site you soon find that at least one of the sound cards referred to in the wiki isn't supported any more. It is not very good to recommend unsupported hardware for a system you want to be used by many. By your attitude you probably don't.

It seems like you need to find a place to live out your aggressions. Perhaps a boxing gym will lighten you up a little.

I love it how people "wait" ... nevermind the information that's in the HWDB, will be .. guess what? WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE WIKI!

*hmm*

GET OFF YOUR FUCKING FREE-LOADING ASSES AND HELP!!!!!

Yes, the hardware supported is limited, much moreso than what Linux currently supports... but unless you are willing to help do your own leg-work on supporting more devices, _BUY WHAT'S LISTED IN THE WIKI!_

is that too hard a concept for all of you?! REALLY?!

-Thom

Thanks for the nice words,

Checking the Creative web site you soon find that at least one of the sound cards referred to in the wiki isn't supported any more. It is not very good to recommend unsupported hardware for a system you want to be used by many. By your attitude you probably don't.

It seems like you need to find a place to live out your aggressions. Perhaps a boxing gym will lighten you up a little.

And, did you make a note of that on the device's wiki page?

No of course not, as that would be useful and take actual effort on your part. Just keep whining without lifting a finger, it helps... really!

My anger is based consistently on people refusing to help out a _VOLUNTEER STAFFED PROJECT_

I am sorry for the rude outburst, it was purely from frustration... _with that said:_

We do not make money from any of this.

Please read that again, and let it sink in, before reading the rest.

Even though, we do not make ANY money from ANY of this, we are here, every single day, doing the following:

* Working on code* Answering questions (some of them quite repeatedly, despite the fact that we put them on the FAQ!)* Working on the Wiki, our vast information source. This one takes up vast amounts of time and energy

Notice I did not say the word _CUSTOMER_ in there, anywhere.

This means:

* You are _NOT ENTITLED_ to any form of support. We do what we can.* You are _NOT ENTITLED_ to US making sure your hardware works or not. That's your job. If it works, put it up on the wiki. We did it for our hardware.* You are _NOT ENTITLED_ to US making sure your particular configuration of said hardware works or not. Again, THAT'S YOUR JOB. We document how it's supposed to be configured given the hardware constraints we have. If you have another configuration that works, PUT IT ON THE WIKI.

Notice the lack of entitlement? If you're going to huff off in a storm, please read the next part:

The support given to each of us, comes from each of us. If we can help you, we can. If YOU can help someone, YOU DO IT. That is how community based projects work.

You are a brilliant programer/linux guru and a very interesting person, but you need to grow up. There will always be noobs like me. We are like children, not sure of ourselves, and asking questions in order to learn and gain some level of confidence in this great project so that we can post to the wiki in a competent and complete way. I would LOVE to contribute some meanful information that others can use, but I am just at the begining. How can anyone learn if they are afraid of asking "dumb" questions for fear of being bitch-slapped by you and others?

I realize you are fed up with repeated questions about working hardware from everyone, but come on, nobody is directing their questions to you. Just ignore them. Keep doing the great work that you are doing and try to keep this place a welcoming one.

You are a brilliant programer/linux guru and a very interesting person, but you need to grow up. There will always be noobs like me. We are like children, not sure of ourselves, and asking questions in order to learn and gain some level of confidence in this great project so that we can post to the wiki in a competent and complete way. I would LOVE to contribute some meanful information that others can use, but I am just at the begining. How can anyone learn if they are afraid of asking "dumb" questions for fear of being bitch-slapped by you and others?

I realize you are fed up with repeated questions about working hardware from everyone, but come on, nobody is directing their questions to you. Just ignore them. Keep doing the great work that you are doing and try to keep this place a welcoming one.

bblboy54

I love it how people "wait" ... nevermind the information that's in the HWDB, will be .. guess what? WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE WIKI!

*hmm*

GET OFF YOUR FUCKING FREE-LOADING ASSES AND HELP!!!!!

Yes, the hardware supported is limited, much moreso than what Linux currently supports... but unless you are willing to help do your own leg-work on supporting more devices, _BUY WHAT'S LISTED IN THE WIKI!_

is that too hard a concept for all of you?! REALLY?!

-Thom

Good God.... I have had a long hard debate about whether I was going to use LinuxMCE or not on my LUG and I addressed my main concern as being the attitude that I have caught in the MythBuntu forums which is the primary reason that I left using MythBuntu. I am not a developer but I'm more than happy to help in the ways that I can. I feel that the LinuxMCE video gives a very false sense of security in the ease of set up but I have been fighting with the system for about a month now in the hopes that I could get things working and give feedback into the community..... I have no longer been using LinuxMCE because of an easy solution but because of a challenge.

There is one thing that this post has certainly done for me is made up my mind on whether it was worth the hassel of working with this system. There are 2 words in the phrase "Linux Communty" and while it's true that you have the first word down, it's obvious that you don't have the second.

I'm no expert on LMCE (in fact, I'm a KnoppMyth user) however there are certain things I've seen in communities from time to time.

Thom is frustrated with the lack of apparent willingness for users to contribute to the project. A place I can completely identify with. While you might be right that lashing out doesn't help, neither does complaining.

You can be a complete newbie and still post to the wiki that "LMCE version X.Y failed to recognize my [Vendor Name] [Model Name] sound card." It may not seem like it's much help, but it's a start, and remember, nothing in any wiki is ever set in stone. If it's inaccurate, change it later.

You can be a complete newbie and still post to the forums, "I tried to do XYZ and I expected ABC to occur, but instead DEF happened, and that's not desirable. What information do you need from me next?" instead of "XYZ doesn't work, I thought this thing just worked out of the box, what's your problem?"

I've been involved in my fair share of OSS projects as both a developer and as a user. There is absolutely no good that will ever come out of telling someone that their project sucks, or that they don't work fast enough, or that they wish ABC hardware was supported. There are constructive and destructive ways to contribute to a project. Thom contributes far more constructive than destructive. If the same can't be said for you, you need to rethink your position.

bblboy54 posted that he's been working on LMCE for a month, and had problems, and that he would "give feedback into the community" but I see 4 posts, three complaining without any useful detail and one asking for help with a problem. If that problem was ever solved, why isn't there a "SOLVED: problem with foo" post in reply to that thread for the next person to deal with a similar issue? Even if bblboy54 is choosing not to use the LMCE product, that doesn't mean he can't contribute what he learned from his time working on it. This is community. And many users don't get that at all.

Thom and the others, keep up the good work. I'm sure you put as much energy into this project as you can spare, and while it's not a project of personal interest to me at this time, I do see it is a very interesting project and one with a lot of potential.

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bblboy54

The thing is that I really do want to make this work but I really don't know enough to know what to look for. I mentioned in my installation post that I wanted to provide information but didn't know where to look (http://forum2.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6389.0). I asked someone to let me know what log files would be helpful, etc. The only response I received was from Thom saying that the AV710 wasn't specifically supported yet and that the StreamZap could work with some effort which I'm not against but I don't even know the first place to look with regards to that. The solution that was offered was to buy a Nokia N810 which I would absolutely LOVE to have but it's not the same thing as a remote IMHO.

I do totally appreciate where Thom is coming from and I understand that freeloading can be frustrating. I am a volunteer firefighter and it's amazing how many people do nothing but get pissed when we're coming down the road with our lights on because we're in their way and then have those same people get angry at us because we didn't respond to their house on fire fast enough. The response from my department should never be yelling at those people because we do what we do for a reason -- despite what others think of how well we do it. It's a sense of accomplishment when you save someone's life. Maybe OSS is on a different level but the same holds true. Just because those people complain about us firefighters doesn't mean that we go off on them or that we don't provide the service to them when they are in need - we keep doing it for the passion. LinuxMCE has a very important part in bringing Linux to the mainstream and while our passion for something better annoys some people it's that passion that drives us to make things better for everyone.

I will admit that I probably responded a little more abruptly than was needed but it's a really hard thing to see a lead developer start cussing people out -- even if it was deserved. I'll also admit that I haven't posted much information as of yet because I really don't have much information to give... I don't know enough about how the system works yet to figure out where important information is kept and what would be helpful. Please understand that some of my response is in the same light of why Thom responded the way that he did.... I've become extremely frustrated with constantly getting the response of "why are you using that crappy hardware" .... and in hindsight, I guess that wasn't exactly what Thom was saying in my installation post but after being told that inside of so many other projects it really felt like that.

I apologize for my abruptness but I honestly do want to help... I also want to see my home running on LinuxMCE but I really want to work on a project where a community really is just that and I don't want to shun people that don't meet our expectations of a user of the project because those are the people that are most likely to take the project to the mainstream -- and some of the same people that we highly recommended to use the product and it didn't meet their expectations.

I really do want to be part of this community but I find myself wondering what I actually have to offer since I don't have any coding experience at all. With a little feedback on what to look for I'd be happy to return the feedback with results. If that kind of thing is welcomed, I do want to keep trying.