How Abortion Creates A Society Of Entitled Women And Desperate Men

Robert Q. Reed is a veteran journalist and business reporter based in Reno, Nevada.

Is it a coincidence that the best countries to find women in are the same ones where abortion is a crime? Think Thailand, Brazil, Costa Rica, the Philippines, Poland, and Argentina. If not outright illegal, abortions are heavily restricted there, with massive fines if not jail sentences for doctors that violate the rules. In Thailand, every abortion requires a court order.

The worst countries for finding a woman—the U.S., Canada, Sweden, etc.—have abortion available on demand and even subsidized by the state. And women have been getting worse in those countries as abortions become more available.

Abortion hasn’t always been legal in the U.S. As recently as 1967, abortion was a felony in 49 of the 50 U.S. states, until activist judges whittled away at the restrictions, finally eradicating most of them in the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, which effectively made abortion legal across the country.

This unleashed the ultra-hypergamous dating and marriage culture that men suffer under today.

The good old days

Back when abortion was a crime, you could be a decent guy with a middle-class or even lower-middle class job and you would probably be able to find a reasonably virtuous woman to marry and start a family with. You didn’t even have to have game — just be a decent person. There was a reason. Although the Pill had been approved by the FDA in 1960, an “accident” with the wrong guy could ruin a woman’s life.

“Getting pregnant without being married was wrong, and if a girl did get pregnant then she and the boyfriend who had gotten her in that fix were supposed to get married,” writes Charles Murray on 1963 America in Coming Apart. “These were conventional views shared across the political spectrum.” In that sexual marketplace, nice guys weren’t invisible: they were the only sensible option.

But since the 1970s, American women have had a “choice” whether to saddle a man with a pregnancy or terminate the unborn child and look for a different father. This has distorted the sexual marketplace, creating the perverted dating scene we have today. Roe created new generations of arrogant, entitled women—and a generation of dateless, dis-empowered and desperate men.

Men foolishly bought into abortion in the 1970s, thinking it would liberate them from unwanted fatherhood and turn men’s lives into hedonistic sex fantasies. Male sexual liberationist heroes of the day, like Hugh Hefner, donated heavily to Planned Parenthood. But men should have seen that abortion was a ruse, like the pornography Hefner peddled. The future that was being created would mean less sex for the vast majority of men, and turn the nuclear family into an endangered species.

Abortion perverts the balance of nature

By perverting the balance nature, abortion corrupted women and actually made commitment-ready men less attractive. “Choice” meant that women could now strategically target high-status males with a “chosen” pregnancy while the “wrong” pregnancies, produced with attractive but irresponsible bad boys, could be conveniently snuffed out in the womb.

No woman better exemplifies this arrogance than feminist columnist Jessica Valenti, who wrote about her abortion experience in her new memoir.

Abortion lover Jessica Valenti

“I had a job, money, and enough family support to have a baby,” she wrote in her memoir, Sex Object. “But I also had a shitty boyfriend, a lingering love for an even shittier ex-boyfriend, and was in the process of finishing my first book.” In Thailand, she would have needed a court order to terminate the pregnancy she had with her “shitty” boyfriend.

In the post-Roe sexual marketplace, women can freely fuck the bad boys without consequences. If a high-status guy does show up, she can either get pregnant with him or marry him. Valenti did eventually find a high-status man to marry, bearing a kid with him before having yet another abortion.

Choosing who pro-creates

For high-status men who don’t want to get married, the post-Roe dating marketplace became one where they have to effectively abort their own ability to pro-create to avoid being unwillingly “chosen”. The whole purpose of purchasing a costly male vasectomy is the ability to present a paper in front of a judge that effectively says, “He couldn’t be the father.”

Perhaps not coincidentally, less than two years after Roe v. Wade, the U.S. child support enforcement system was set up to ensure that government power would guarantee that the ‘chosen’ providers would pay up whatever the state demanded. A disturbed or immature woman now had no need to grow up and form a nuclear family to grab financial resources from a sperm donor. She could marry him or, if he wasn’t up for that, hit him with a lucrative support order. It helps to score a celebrity: Eddie Murphy paid $60,000 a month, Mel Gibson $20,000 a month, Donald Trump half a million a month. No surprise the “choice” in these cases was to keep the baby.

A pregnancy from a “shitty” guy, like the ones Jessica Valenti fucked, can simply be snuffed out in the womb. If the guy’s rich, you just keep the baby. “Pro-choice” has been hypergamy crystallized.

Which brings us to the “normal” middle-class guys, neither “shitty” nor high-status, that used to serve as the safe choice for a woman. These guys were the dating ideals of 1963 — eager to commit, marry and father children. There was one for every woman. (And a woman for every man.)

Well, they are the official losers of the post-Roe dating marketplace. In today’s sexual marketplace, there are the “shitty” hot guys women have abortions with, and then the high-status providers they actually have babies with. The middle-class “decent” guys — the ones that once formed the basis of nuclear families for a thousand years or more — are un-chosen for either sex, marriage or fatherhood. Once the ideal mate, they are now invisible.

If you are one of these guys, you have to try hard to be “shitty” so you can at least get laid once in a while. But have a kid or a family? Think again. You need status for that.

Abortion is the disease that created this perverted marketplace — not a symptom of it, but the cause.

The wisest thing for single American men who want a wife to do has been to get out of the country and go to places where abortion is still restricted, and many are doing that. Why are women so wonderful in Thailand? The reason is Article 305 of the Thai Penal Code, which states that abortion is illegal unless a woman has been raped or the pregnancy threatens her life.

A woman’s ‘choice’ to destroy Western Civilization

“Choice” is at the very cornerstone of feminism’s open agenda to undermine and destroy the nuclear family and Western civilization along with it. In fact, self-identified “pro-life” feminists were banned from participating in anti-Trump women’s marches because “inclusivity is not about bolstering those who harm us“, as Valenti put it.

“Choice” is codified by cultural Marxists in the mainstream media and educational institutions as a precious human right, more sacred even than Freedom of Speech. In December, Lena Dunham admitted she hadn’t had an abortion “but I wish I had” because sharing abortion stories had become so empowering for women. Perhaps it shouldn’t be a surprise that the Soviet Union was the first nation to legalize abortion in 1921.

The man who will end of Roe v. Wade?

The reason there were so many tears from feminists on the night of Trump’s surprise election was the threat he poses to Roe v. Wade. Now with the likely retirement of swing voter, Justice Anthony Kennedy, and the advancing years of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Trump seems likely to swing the court against abortion.

Unlike so many other institutions set up to dis-empower men, the abortion status quo is actively opposed in the United States. 70 percent of the public believes abortion should be illegal under some circumstances, and 20 percent believes it should be outlawed under every circumstance.

If Roe v. Wade can be overturned, it won’t just end a morally questionable, and probably murderous industry — it may save the American sexual marketplace, and Western Civilization with it.

476 Responses

Sad ugly truth is that with Abortion Legal and Contraception freely available the rule is Without the Consequences to Mr. Wrong Who Needs Mr. Right? Besides all the innocent blood spilled by this evil all abortion has done is empower women to be whores and the messed up society we have is the result.

It’s playing out with how many men are accepting carousel riders who either already have bastard children, or may have a woman who creates a bastard children while with them. Never in my years as a child did I expect to step into a world where people pay child support under the ruse that it isn’t the kid’s fault their mother cheated on them, so the ‘kid’ should receive child support.

To the writer’s point, smart men do seem to be marrying Brazilian women and bringing them to America, or marrying them here, at a pretty high rate. Haven’t run across many women from Thailand who seemed to be married but maybe they just aren’t in the Midwest.

If everything truly goes in cycles (and I fully believe this), we need an article on the NEXT good place for quality women. IE what that is a cesspool now haha.

You’re right about Asian girls. I would say as a whole Asians are currently the best subgroup of women to date. But Asian American girls are some of the most awful, extreme, disgusting feminists there are. It’s not about the race, it’s about the culture. Asians could nosedive worse than even our white women have.

That’s insane! I remember seeing a Swedish woman a few years ago who had a boyfriend at that time. Blonde, great eyes, greater smile, and curvy. How are the men leaving Swedish women untouched or have the women gone full feminist? Either way, crazy times.

I think abortion is morally repugnant in all but the most extreme cases. That said, I don’t favor ending it. I see it as Darwinism in action, and it provides me a quick and easy way to size up the worth of a woman. True that in the past it was illegal, but that didn’t mean the nature of women was different (I’m reminded of the phrase “overpaid, oversized and over here” about WWII GIs). What it meant was a lot of secretive back alley bullshit, or a lot of cuckoldry (probably more of the latter).

What I think is worse than abortion is birth control, which basically untethered risk from sex for females at the expense of males. Basically, the chick now determines who impregnates her, which is fine, except that the man often has no say in the matter, is taken completely by surprise and then financially raped for two+ decades by the system over a kid he never contemplated having because his misplaced his trust in the wrong woman.

That said, I’m not eager to go back to pre-birth control days either – rather, I think the solution is male contraceptives like Vasalgel, combined with a healthy return of social shaming and ostracism for whoring around. No need to force kids to be born to unfit parents and ruin their innocent lives too. Just show young women that “empowered” carousel riders end up bitter and lonely (for the most intolerable ones), or settling for something far less satisfying than they could have had (married to beta chump, struggling to conceive weak offspring).

Vasalgel sounds risky:
the treatment was judged to have unacceptable side-effects, including
depression, acne and increased libido, which caused 20 men to drop out
of the study and ultimately led to the trial be stopped earlier than
planned.
The trial involved injections of two hormones. A long-acting form of
progestogen was designed to act on the pituitary gland to switch off
sperm production. Testosterone was added to offset a drop in the male
hormone triggered by the progestogen. “You need the testosterone to feel
OK,” said Anderson

You’re not talking about Vasalgel. What you describe is not Vasalgel, which consists of one shot of a polymer into the vas deferens to physically block sperm. You’re talking about hormone therapy, which has had side effects. Vasalgel has had no reports of serious side effects. They have actually been studying the equivalent (RISUG) in India in actual humans for quite a long time (15 Years) with no serious negative side effects reported.

I myself struggle morally for the same “logic”. We must have free will, however, natural selection or Darwanism theory is at play here, even with homosexuals this theory applies. The less they stay in the closet and have pseudo heterosexual relationships, with the chance of reproducing, is a good thing. Nevertheless I agree wholeheartedly with many of your comments and the author of this article. At the root these actions and scientific advances used immorally, destroy morality among men and women ultimately destroying Society.

I highly doubt the abortion will ever end in the USA. Why? Every side needs their “Emmanuel Goldstein”. For the Republicans, that’s abortion. For the Democrats, it’s guns. Gobs of cash are raised for/against these “causes”. Get rid of the causes, the funding goes too.

And those that get paid from these causes aren’t going to let that happen.

And of course, on a bigger, global scale, it absolutely is a mechanism as to who can reproduce. Social engineering in action.

It depends who the fathers are. There’s a lot of promiscuity prior to marriage. If they’re fooling around with the goyim, it’s just fun. If they are settling down and starting a family with a good Jewish boy, its verboten.

If a woman wants to have an abortion, although the decision may profoundly affect the father and his reproductive rights not to mention the unborn child which has none, it is ultimately her body and her choice. The only thing that I ask is that for each aborted pregnancy the mother draw a chalk outline where the kid died. This helps with forensics

Or surgical scissors into the skull if the child has viability outside the womb.

God, what kind of monster does that? At some point that “doctor” was a human being with potential in the world. Then he, through a long series of rationalizations and choices, devolves into a monster that stabs viable living babies in the head and feels none the worse for wear. That’s just demonic.

Yep. There is no gray area here. None. If it can live on its own (biologically, not “needs provided” such as food, etc) then there is no wiggle room at all. Doctors who do this are the epitome of evil.

Women don’t visualize the consequences of their emotional decisions. I think a bit of hands-on experience would be a deterrent. They used to show pregnancy videos and STD slides in school to scare the shit out of kids. I think watching the process of sucking out a baby and discarding it would be more helpful.

I seriously think something like that could have genuine pragmatic and educational value. It doesn’t necessarily have to be heavy handed just aimed at helping girls (and boys if they are to be party to the decision) to understand the consequences of their actions

The only (sort of) net positive that came from roe vs. Wade was a rather large crime drop which started in the mid 90s. post – wade Dindu Nuffins were being voluntarily snuffed before birth by their economically destitute Aunt Jemima’s when they would have inevitably been a major crime risk their whole teen and adult lives had they been born.

That’s it though, and I certainly wish there was another way of reducing crime rather than the fringe effects of roe vs. Wade. Abortion has indeed been a bane for the sexual prospects of the All American “I’m not gonna run out on you” Nice Guy.

That’s correlation, not causation. Recall, from the early 1990’s forward concealed carry was sweeping the land. It can easily (and like, really easily) be posited that this is the reason for the crime drop.

Unwanted pregnancy will ruin a woman. If they choose to have it and become a single mother, they ruin any prospects for a decent life for herself or the kid. If she chooses to abort, she is killing her own offspring. As much as she justifies or lies to herself about it, she knows it. That in itself will create mental issues. Any wonder there are so many deranged women today?

As I commented elsewhere woman who has an abortion is permanently damaged goods. She has hamstered her way into sabotaging her most basic biological function for convenience or thoughtlessness. She has rejected the very core of her biological function. Once she has taken that step, she is literally (H) capable of anything.

Many women have abortions while minors, coerced or outright forced to submit to abortion. All too often the one coercing/forcing is the incestuous rapist: her stepfather, brother (half- and step-brothers are notorious), even her blood father, uncle, grandfather, cousin.
While we should have sympathy for such women, do you really want to tie yourself legally to a woman who most likely has severe mental issues (“fcuked-UP)? “Tie legally” can easily include sticking your dcik in her babymaker.

Even without the points you mentioned, post abortion trauma is extremely common. Despair, depression, guilt, suicide. These are just the obvious ones, the tip of the iceberg. Most are probably walking wounded the rest of their lives. That’s why 25 percent are on.meds.

You seem to be making a very broad accusation that males tend to sexually abuse their female relatives. By saying “All too often”, you are implying that this happens in greatly significant numbers. Do you have any sources to back that up? If not, I suggest you STFU.
What we do know. is that female promiscuity has increased exponentially since both abortion and the contraceptive pill were introduced/legalised. Looking at that, one would have to assume the general increase in female activity and lessening of females’ responsibility for their sexuality creates the market for abortion.
Whilst I do no deny there would be a small number of younger girls impregnated by male relatives, I have yet to see evidence that this is common enough to justify the barbaric practice of abortion. Given that contraceptives are readily available in western societies, I suggest that abortion is generally only used by women who voluntarily choose to have sex without being prepared to take any responsibility for it.
Keep in mind we live in a society whereby women don’t have to take responsibility for anything they do.

What is next is accusing a random guy of rape, and ruining his life if not resulting in the end of it, to get an extension on your book report. Currently there is no downside to this and sharing “I am a rape survivor” stories is a feminist right of passage.

Accusing men of rape for trivial reasons has long been acceptable practice. That boat sailed a couple hundred years ago or more. Traditionally the woman would be taken at her word and the resulting mob would then get “justice” for her.

Sue me for–erroneously, evidently– assuming the men here were smart enough to read between the lines. If a pregnancy and birth pose threats to the mother’s health or the baby will have a severely depressed quality of life, the healthy decision for most mothers is to terminate the pregnancy. Unless the survival of women ONLY matters when they’re able and willing to shit out a kid (which I’m assuming is the true philosophy of most of the men here).

The vast majority of pregnancies aren’t going to kill a mother, and the vast majority of kids aren’t going to have severely depress quality of life. Abortion is overused and simply a feminist way to control sexuality and reproduction.

Did I say “the vast majority” in either case? I don’t think I did. Just because you’re an ignorant buffoon doesn’t mean I’m full of shit; you can try to put words in a woman’s mouth whenever you don’t like what she says but she’ll see right through your bullshit.

So, if kids never severely depress quality of life–are you up for raising a boatload of them starting right now? Say, a new one every year starting with the one that forces your shotgun marriage? (And what about the quality of life for those kids?) Or would you rather have the number of kids you’re ready to raise, when you’re ready to raise them?

Right. Let’s be blunt. You know very well that we are not talking about exceptions, you also know very well that the discussion is specifically about the socially destructive aspects of abortion on demand. You know you can’t argue the facts, so you are trying to derail the conversation with some BS about how your aunts sisters brothers cousin Susy got raped by 5 Muslims and is about to die.

You aren’t fooling anybody with the “little miss autistic” act.

What you are doing is completely and absolutely selfish. You would burn down the entire society so that you can have your consequence free affairs. And you are doing it by pretending to be hyper concerned about the rights of some exception who NOBODY in this discussion is interested in limiting.

That’s hilarious, comparing the mundane problems you have to something like pregnancy. Here’s a hint; if you need to have sex that many times a day you’re what they call a sex addict. Good luck not falling on your face the next time you try to make a point.

I spotted your sarcasm and saw right through it… unless you really weren’t trying to make a hateful point abortion, in which case you’re more than welcome to mansplain both your point and “sarcasm” to me. 🙄

Although I think it goes deeper in this case, insofar as if you can justify killing your own child, you are probably one who likes to hide scissors under the pillow for some midnight penis harvesting. In your case that wouldn’t matter, but many to most men don’t mind a girl staying overnight.

I don’t buy that it is killing. I am on the simple medical procedure which gets some lump of homunculus cells out of the body team. I know that puts me in the minority. I am not going to argue it here as much smarter people than me and the rest of the folks here have failed to come to a consensus in more years than one may know.

That said, even if it was killing an unborn living thing I am still ok with it. The little womb turd is attached to the woman and can’t make it on its own without the sustenance from the mother. Tough titties if the mother decides to cut the chord….literally (hitler).

I see both pros and cons to abortion, but if it’s available, I’m fully on board with Gubmint paying for it. It’s a simple case of pay me now or pay me later, and it’s a whooooooole heck of a lot cheaper to take care of it early.

No, let women fund their own fucking immorality, in what world did it become my place to not only be forced to support them through government regs and laws, but to suddenly now be responsible for their opening their slutty twats to strange men.

I understand what you are saying but the results on the ground are so totally incongruous.

A few years back I had to evict the nastiest tenant I’ve ever encountered. I was in her unit carrying out plastic bags of dirty diapers she left on the floor, along with all her kid’s toys and clothing, garbage and food everywhere. It was disgusting. She was a high school classmate of mine, used to be a high school cheerleader but threw it all away and became degenerate.

Fast forward a few years, I’m in late 30s, considering starting a family, I’m over there renting to a new tenant when this adult woman comes up to me and asks if I know of any section 8 (free) housing for her and her children. She was the DAUGHTER of the classmate I evicted! So this original deadbeat who is my age is now a grandmother, and the whole family is on public assistance. PS There is no expiration date for section 8 housing subsidies. You are funding their immorality, you just don’t see it.

My take is that the solution is to stop funding immorality altogether, not expanding it because “defunding would be too hard”. Incrementalism works both ways, we need to come to understand this. We won’t repeal welfare/adc/medicaid/etc. overnight, but we should start chipping away at it. Adding more “fund my choices” is counter productive in the long run towards liberty.

I hope I remain such an optimist when I am your age. I mean that as a true compliment! If more of us just stuck to what we truly believe, we COULD eliminate funding the immorality.

But the realist side of me sees how no single gubmint program is ever walked back. That is why we are permanently stuck with the TSA. With Obamacare. With whatever your least favorite government program is. It is not going away. It is getting a budget increase this year!

That’s because the prevalent meme in political groups is “go along to get along” instead of “stick to principles”. Change the culture and assumptions over time and I guarantee you that government programs will disappear. Just going along with surrender as the first option and then more “fixes” that require government is not the path we want to be walking down.

The ironically named “earned income” tax credit doesn’t require one to work, but instead just to spawn, and you can receive money. You can be unemployed the whole year, but file a tax return and get a check from the IRS if you have children. Sounds shocking but it’s true…

Which is a good argument for eliminating the income tax entirely, or if we *must* (there is no need really, but some people are still tied to financing their own prison wardens), a universal flat tax with no exemptions or write offs for anybody. Social engineering goes right out the fucking window, tax code wise.

That’s actually a good thing. CPA’s can then focus on helping you manage finances and investments and not have to work with navigating stupid government red tape. Those that can’t, or who won’t adjust, will have to find gainful employment elsewhere. No net long term damage.

Illegals have figured out the kids don’t even have to live in the US, and the IRS doesn’t check to see if the kids, you know, actually exist. Hence returns claiming supporting 15 kids overseas somewhere….

Just like when anyone lies on their tax return; they DO randomly check them and sometimes returns get flagged for whatever reason and then the person who lied is f*cked… Illegal, American Citizen, doesn’t f*cking matter. Quit trying to spin this into another way illegals are “getting over on us”. Jesus.

You ever sit down with IRS agents and talk to them about random checks? That’s not how it’s done– too little bang for the buck. If they audit you they want a high chance of a payoff. Typically they run databases and look for anomalies to get the most bang for the buck. Like a guy who owns a late model Mercedes claiming virtually no income. Or folks like my ex-inlaws who bought a house in a very nice neighborhood for cash and retired. Their income was well below the average for that area.

As for illegals gaming the Earned Income Credit in particular, and the IRS’s disinterest in cleaning up issues with EIC (and yes, anybody can do it– but the IRS can actually verify dependents in the US, while it is much harder for dependents overseas)

” Most ITINs are issued to illegal immigrants who reside in the U.S. Many do not work. They file Federal income tax returns solely to receive the child tax credit refund.
A 2011 Treasury Department study reports that the number of ITIN filers claiming the child credit nearly doubled from 2005 to 2008 – from 796,000 to 1,526,276.1″

” The inspector general’s use of the phrase “little progress” was too generous. In fact, EITC fraud in the latest period was unchanged from earlier years.
The new report found that the IRS is simply ignoring the requirements of a law called the Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act, signed by President Obama in 2010″

I’m actually FOR sterilization. Even for people with assets after a certain number of children, but especially in poverty ridden places. See, people are like locusts with language skills. We just keep breeding, consequences be damned. That’s why the world is in such a f*cked up state and getting worse. More people, same amount of resources. Basic f*cking math.

The point is that without the existence of such hare-brained schemes, ther wouldn’t have been a second generation of bastards to speak of. She would have either mended her ways or just died some winters ago. Have you ever wondered why there were fewer bastards overall in the days of yore? A hint: it wasn’t because people were more moral…

Being born out of “wedlock” is not the same as being a bastard (fatherless child). For example I may be married by the church (or any other religious group I belong too) but according to your laws (and the laws of the many countries), once the statistics are collected, my children would have been deemed as being born out of wedlock since my marriage was not “blessed” (or should I say cursed) by the State, regardless of the real marital status (are my wife and me living together?).

That’s the problem with you Americans who think that for a marriage to exist some fat bureaucrat has to provide an approval stamp or something like that. It would be far more interesting to see the statistics for fatherless children.

Hey, I couldn’t give 2 shits about state sanctioned marriage. What they call civil marriage has very little similarity to traditional marriage, anyway.

Yeah but for statisticians that’s the only valid marriage in most cases.

But throughout history, pretty sure bastard was used to describe any child born to an unwed mother. At least that’s how Game of Thrones portrays it.

Because normally unwed mother and single mother were synonyms until the advent of state sanctioned marriage and its primacy over religious marriage (the historical normal). Moreover GOT is as historical as Dungeons and Dragons is ….

Anyway, how else would one analyze the stats?

How about children without a father at home (either biological or a man who has gone through the nuisance of adopting him legally and providing him with this surname). Current mother’s boyfriend doesn’t count 🙂

if a pcouple does marry it needs to be sanctioned between the minister and the couples respective family and friends , cut the state out of the equation . All that matters is that they are right in the eyes of god and their families .

I still don’t understand. How does one count “children without fathers at home” ?
It’s easy to tell from birth records whether the parents are related, and compile that data. Where does one get info about father living in the home, other than Census records which are once a decade in the US?

I could see that being possibly true, but I wonder how that was documented. I mean girls today are proud of their mistakes, but I’d be surprised if women were admitting that kind of info to anonymous pollsters in 1750.

Perhaps that would be more effective but sterilization would require consent of the parent, how is that going to work out? Abortion is fully voluntary and therefore far more practical, even if less effective.

ugh, when you put it that way.
Can we say that as a comprehensive package the gubment shouldn’t pay for anything regarding these little womb turd whether it is cheaply disposing of them or paying a fortune on their lives? However, given your point here, the Cost Benefit Analysis works in favor of abortion I can’t deny

You are absolutely correct on this, GOJ. Normal, real men feel biologically compelled to protect the weak and defenseless. And it doesn’t get any weaker or defenseless than an unborn child. Whose heart is actually beating after just a couple of weeks.
The “men” who are OK with abortion don’t possess normal male instincts, in my opinion. And are contributing to societal degeneracy by not respecting that tiny human life.

Note that if a man injures or kills a pregnant woman in such a way that the fetus dies he is charged with murder of the unborn infant. But, if a pregnant woman kills the fetus, then it was just a bunch of cells.

But when they charge the man with murdering the fetus, it’s not because they care about the collection of cells; it’s a way for them to extract a larger pound of flesh. But I’m sure you already knew that.

I am actually so pro abortion that I think you should be able to abort right up until the child has a full time job and moves out of the house. Little johnny is 13 and really a rotten kid…lets go to PP

I’ve always been staunchly pro-choice. This article actually offers some valid points AGAINST abortion that are giving me serious food for thought. With that said; I am not defending women who have abortions or saying that I think abortion is right. I’m saying that they’re not f*cking murderers. And what do you say about the guys that talk their girlfriends into getting abortions? It’s a two way street.

I actually used the word ‘kill’ but am comfortable using ‘murder’ for something like partial-birth or third trimester abortion.

What about the men? I would say that abortion is producing legions of psychopaths – women and men – who have spun up their hamsters to rationalize killing. Then they walk away from that – with thick moral calluses – into larger society to wreck who-knows-what damage.

Well seeing as how I had an abortion for a pregnancy that a) was unwanted and b) made me throw up so much my doctors thought I might die unless I terminated the pregnancy and subsequently served as a nuclear launch officer for four years I would say “yes.”

The nice thing about unwanted pregnancies is that it takes two people to have one. No reason for her to be a “single mother”. However, we live in a world where no one takes responsibility for themselves. A guy leaves contraception up to the woman. She gets pregnant and the guy she slept with is not the guy she wants to marry. She has a choice of killing the baby or having the State pay for it’s upbringing. She no longer has to think hard about who she sleeps with because she can get someone else to pay for her mistakes.

Part of the problem is that parents have abdicated their responsibility for choosing their offspring’s mate. We live in a society where the State teaches us that everyone is equal. The opinion of the child is equal to the opinion of the grandfather. Feelings are important not fact. Sex with whomever whenever is quickly becoming a virtue.

And the ultimate result is a state of perpetual childhood. Never growing up and taking adult responsibility.

Yup, government wants to take on the responsibility, because with that responsibility, comes control. The useless schlubs and welfare whores would rather pawn responsibility off to the government. Meanwhile, you and I are stuck footing the bill for bad behavior of someone else.

If she elects to kill the baby, the baby is taking the consequences of someone else’s bad behavior. Either way, those responsible are missing out on opportunity for growth.

“She no longer has to think hard…” If you think being faced with a child you don’t want and having to choose whether or not to have an abortion is easy for ANYONE, you’re deluded. Making smart decisions about whether or not you’re ready to be a parent or ready to put your body through pregnancy and birth is one of the heaviest decisions a potential mother and/or father can make; to imply that “killing the baby” (my favorite pro-life appeal to emotion) is an easy decision is disingenuous. I can’t believe anyone would be that naïve. And if you ARE, congratulations on having such a wonderful life.

In the mentioned countries you can illegally abort, if you have the money. But social conditioning is very great, no one is going to call a woman, brave. That is why the options must be weighed more carefully because in my country the welfare state is collapsed and men have a greater margin to disengage from a bastard. Even as in my case after a separation and to pay food quota, my children decided to live with me, so now the money flows in the opposite direction.

The men have a greater margin to disengage from a bastard? Those countries also have weak law enforcement; so when a guy knocks up my daughter and splits on her, I can just put a bullet in his skull and I probably won’t be prosecuted. But hey… he won’t have to pay child support either.

You guys are complaining about abortion, there’s worse, in France now there’s some medicaly assisted pregnancy to lesbian couples AND single women. In others Words women are able to kill babies or to have some on their own without men. And sponsorised by the gov. Making men as a mere option to women is a step further in the destruction of a nation. And that’s happening here and now… Disgusting !

Well for guys too. I may have mentioned these to you before Jim, but a friend after college knocked up his gf that he had told me was the love of his life. One weekend he was calling her his fiancee, and two weeks later he broke up with her, after encouraging and paying for her to have an abortion.

Also, before my mom was born, her dad told her mom to get rid of twin boys, which she did. The only reason my grandma didn’t also abort my mom is that it just wasn’t as easy as walking into a Planned Parenthood like it is today. If it had been today, along with my mom, currently five people, and more in the future would never exist. I’m not sure how my grandpa lived with it?

Three things: 1- Abortion doesn’t “make a woman crazy” or contribute to poor mental hygiene. 2- Your (the general population of readers on here) definition of “crazy” doesn’t match any objective criteria; it’s purely based on what YOU believe women should do with their bodies (newsflash- your opinion is not, in fact, more correct than anyone else’s). 3- The frequency of abortions in the U.S. has generally been lower than that in other parts of the world, so maybe do some basic reading before stereotyping women on information that is blatantly false. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

An excellent and necessary article. Several very important red-pill observations are made, the hardest hitting being the increased female hypergamy that abortion “allows.”
The dream of undesirable women is to be desirable, or to at least play in the sexual marketplace where they now have an artificial status. It’s anti-biology, and it’s confusing all the nice guy betas out there.

you arent superfluous, you just do what most here do:
-blow by the article w/o reading it
-upvote the top 2 most upvoted comment to remain in good standing in the community
-post a youtube/jpeg/gif that is funny to get easy upvotes

Between birth control and especially the “morning-after pill” most unwanted pregnancies are already prevented before a girl needs to visit Planned Parenthood. You’ve nailed the history and consequences but it’s too late for overturning RvW to make much impact on the sexual marketplace.

Doesnt the morning after pill have the same negative ramifications abortion does, according to the author? If it’s really all about making women less loyal and promiscuous, the pill should have the same effect. Hell the birth control pill would as well.

doctors, scientists, theologians, philosophers have all argued every side of this thing to death. At the end of the day there is some faith involved. It isn’t an issue that can be proven the way that geometry can. Further, because it is a sensitive subject it brings out the absolute worst in people. I say maintain current belief whatever it happens to be and enjoy the shitstorm that is about to happen.

You and I disagree on this issue in all respects but one however…..and on this one and only one part of it I feel we are in total and complete agreement….forgetting every other aspect from moral to religious to medical to legal……the gubment has no business paying for this shit.

End of the day, it would be nice if discussions were this civil on this topic for everybody. We can present facts and sometimes those might sway opinion a bit, but generally we’re not going to agree. You’ll continue to hold your position even though it is wrong and I will continue to hold my position because it is correct.

Well when you encounter one, let me know and I’ll be sure to bring him up to speed on all of the intricacies, values, principles and nuances regarding the topic.

I truly have no group I belong to fully. It would seem like that would be a detriment to life, but I find it rather interesting to be able to surf between cliques and groups at will. Redneck one day, very well read and educated intellectual the next, programmer the next, biker the next, etc. Lots of freedom to be had in good social adaptation skills.

don’t feel bad…I even consider people from the outer borroughs of new York hicks. And yes, we all know you have the same freedoms as the men and women of Somalia out there….

in the meantime, ill letcha toss one barb back to even out the symmetry and then we are going to just enjoy the oncoming shitshow that this obvious bit of clickbait is going to bring in while sticking to the fundamental agreement that government shouldn’t shell out a dime for this.

in the meantime, ill letcha toss one barb back to even out the symmetry

Only grown ups who have demonstrated maturity and self control rate having freedom. The rest need to be penned in like children and guarded by adults lest they hurt themselves.

Symmetry achieved. Heh.

Not sure how much I want to participate on this article. May just wait it out for the noon posting. At most I’m inclined to just smoke and joke and not get heated over this, nothing will change anybody’s mind on any side.

Yep, there is a fundamental premise conflict. If you can’t agree on that initial point, there is no ability to reconcile. Then it’s just about who should pay for what and who should have what kind of rights in the matter.

I think it’s a matter of denial more than mere belief. If we were to be coherent, based on the biological findings, the fetus is a human being since the development of fetus into a human baby (barred any untimely death) is a deterministic event, not a stochastic one (there are 0% probabilities of cub, a kitten or chick crawling out of that womb by natural means, is not a like “seed” in a simulator with random parameters). Hence, trying to deny humanity to the fetus is as incoherent as saying old-timers are not humans since they lost most of the capabilities they had when young…

Arguments in favour of abortion as not a murderous practice (denying humanity to the fetus) have been spurious and incoherent so far and not even a moral frame is necessary to recognize the practice for what it is…infanticide. However humans are seldom rational, they are rationalizing beings, hence the need for ethics, religious codes, etc to regulate human behaviour throughout history, otherwise logic can be used to justify virtually anything (like in this case).

The question isn’t whether it’s a human being so much, at least not in the third trimester, but why humanity is valued in the first place. If it’s a totality of the circumstances/utilitarian test for value, then even someone who acknowledges that a fetus is a human being and may have some value, can and will nonetheless find its value outweighed by other considerations. Namely, hedonism.

Roosh hasn’t enforced the don’t respond to females thing in years I’m afraid. Every so often a horde of angry feminists show up and shout a lot for a while, but it’s usually of short duration. The odd woman who turns up to comment is never banned, so I usually just ignore the comment unless there’s something there of particular value to the conversation.

I’ve long believed that all of the Republican versus Democrat, conservative versus liberal, left versus right stuff was all just crap… I’ve long felt that it was just bread and circuses to distract us. The elites that run the political parties are a political aristocracy that have much more in common with one another than they do with the average man. The are one party, not two, the ruling party, and all the “fighting” we see is (ironically) a little like professional wrestling — its just distracting entertainment for the masses.

The only political spectrum that really matters is the government authority spectrum — what authority do you believe the government should have? What you personally believe about abortion is relevant only to you and your family. The question is what authority you think government should have with respect to abortion. Should the government be able to outlaw it entirely? Should the government be able to promote it by funding free abortions? Should the government strictly regulate abortion facilitates so those facilities are rare and abortions are expensive? Should the government only provide the bare minimum of regulation for abortion facilities to make sure people who get abortions aren’t dying on the table.

Every political issue is like this. It doesn’t matter if you think a criminal should be executed if he commits murder. It matters if you believe the government should have the authority to execute citizens, and under what circumstances it should be able to exercise that authority.

Now Thales, did you not see the title of this article. This is clickbait for a shitstorm of idiots with bad ideas and worse arguments. There is no place for this kind of reasoned and sensible comment here.

Ha, that’s funny because I’m pretty libertarian minded and I think that would be one of the most effective uses of taxpayer money ever. The cost of one year of public school here is almost $10,000: the cost to benefit ratio is off the charts.

What the author is getting at, and he has a point, is that things like abortion contribute to promiscuity of women, which makes them ill-suited for pair bonding. While that may be a good thing for a life of endless hookups, an entire society cannot operate that way, and in that respect abortion has made women less responsible, and as a whole greatly lowered the quality of potential mates and given us the shitty feminists we have to deal with today.

BUT this is because abortion allows women to enjoy guilt-free anonymous sex with strangers with no repurcussions. Removing abortion would do little to change that. One would have to also remove the pill, and most forms of birth control. Because I rarely see anyone call for such a drastic plan, I conclude that the desires to prevent abortion are hypocritical, and must remain firmly in the pro-abortion camp. If you want to talk about outlawing the pill, I’ll take you seriously. Until then, it is disengenuous to claim one is anti-abortion because it ruins our women.

This is actually a really good argument. From a rational, economic point of view, we should be making abortion free and easy for the lowest economic tiers of society. (I’ll leave aside the macro-implications of aborting millions of the children of American citizens while allowing in waves of immigrants from other countries, for now.)

But the moral implications, both personally and on our society as a whole, cannot be ignored.

But that was the goal of the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger. Elimination of the undesirables — lower economic class members- from society
Although to be fair, she stressed sterilization and birth control vice abortion, infanticide.
Working in some respects, a lot fewer Downs syndrome children around nowadays than back when I went to high school. Some schools don’t even have a ‘short bus’ anymore…

Nah, the axe doesn’t have to fall, simply hang there. The mere risk would be enough to let the sluts keep slutting and the fence sitters to give pause. Just to cut the extreme tops and bottoms off of it would be enough to have some semblance of a natural order. My opinion anyways.

What part of “killing babies is bad” do pro-choicers not understand? I understand it must suck in cases of rape to be carrying a baby you don’t want from a man you never wanted and who hurt you, but that’s no excuse for taking an innocent life. The abortion epidemic is also why there are so few adoptable infants (especially white ones) that prospective adoptive parents end up with imported kids from Russia or China or some such.

I appreciate your opinion, but unfortunately, I need to give you the same speech I have given to other women who post on this site:

There is a reason there are “men’s only” clubs. 70 years ago, there were all sorts of venues for guys to hang out with other guys. Work, fraternities, sports, bowling leagues, et cetera. At times, there is the occasional woman that comes in. In small numbers, it is not bad. The occasional tom boy who wants to hang, or eye candy is fine. But, what happens is as the number of women are in these groups, the narrative begins to change. Guys suddenly have to watch what they say, other guys will start white knighting. Like in football, what has been considered a manly sport has been replace over hand wringing about head injuries, end zone celebrations, and Lady Gaga on the half-time show. Over the years, this infiltration, then distortion has happened nearly everywhere. We as men do not need or want a woman’s input everywhere we go. Please leave us alone.

If you were a feminist making snarky comments, I would give you the “Tits or GTFO” routine, but you are better than that.

I know what you mean, that is actually exactly why I’m here, because I don’t think I would get such an honest look into how men really think anywhere else. Perhaps this is not the best place for me, but just like you said any site that openly accepts input from both sexes is probably not going to stay very true for very long. In exchange I do offer my own honest opinions, whether they are likely to be popular or not with red pillers or blue pillers or green pillers or whoever.

I’ve mentioned before that having a congenital physical disability I consider myself mostly a spectator in the game of love and in life in general in a lot of ways. So especially because of this I see no need to change or hide what I think to impress anyone and I wouldn’t want anyone doing that for me either, especially here where the lack of sugar coating is so refreshing. I promise if y’all will let me be your tag along tomboy I won’t bring any of my girlfriends here (unless they’re hot, lol). But if that’s out of the question, is there any site you can recommend with similar level of honesty that would allow my input?

Try this: create another account with a name that doesn’t suggest you are a female. Read and post relevant shit here without expressly identifying yourself as female. If you can do that, you will beat 99% of the women who come here and shit everywhere because none of them can go 4 posts without mentioning they are female and indulging their hamstering feminine imperative.

If you eventually get outed as female (or a fag) without expressly identifying yourself as such, then you lose, and you have to go. If you never get outed, you’ve proven yourself to be a terrible, shitty female, but you can stay.

Wouldn’t work. Boys have penises, girls have vaginas. She would slip up and say dumb things. How long did it take Pabst, Kersey, or that guy who was into Asian pretty boys (forget the name) to be called out after trying that? And they were (supposedly) men.

Like the uncertainty principle, any amount of input you or other women change the dynamics, whether here, at work, or around a campfire. I don’t see anything wrong with lurking. Plenty of women lurk here. There are sites like rooshvforum.com akingscastle.com therationalmale.com artofmanliness.com or thefamilyalpha.com which have decent articles, but slow comments boards. There are other comments boards that are as busy as this, but I am unaware of any with 95%+ male/female ratio.

The market is good for young women who are a little baby-crazy. I have numerous acquaintances in my age-range who married girls their age who want nothing more than to be stay at home mothers. 4 kids and counting, for the most part.

They are definitely out there. Problem is, the wannabe stay at home mothers are mixed in with fake spinsters or closet feminists. How to separate the wheat from the chaff is a good topic for discussion.

That’s not necessarily a guarantee. The poor girl may develop a strong and intense “I never want to be poor, I will become the most greedy, miserly person in the world to see that it doesn’t happen” and then focus on that to the exclusion of basically everything else. I’ve seen this first hand.

Although generally you have a better chance on that route than others most of the time.

True, good point. But I’ve seen multiple guys fail to give their wives the lifestyle they were used to from their fathers, and its utterly emasculating. Like the women live great lives in nice houses, but they don’t achieve the upper wealth or social status of their parents, and the hypergamy parasite just gnaws and gnaws until everything is ruined.

Oh hell no, that can backfire. The worst kind are the ones from poor families just looking for a ticket out of town. They latch on to a young enlisted, pop out a bunch of kids and then get fat and divorce him while he’s deployed. Horror stories, man.

I went all out and changed my life to find the “good girl”. A good friend of mine lucked out and found one, in a bar of all places. They have been happily married for 15 years. So it is possible without doing what I did. Risky, but possible.

On a somewhat related note, some woman asked for “mental health leave” because she was stressed and her CEO approved of it. Anyone else aware of this? I ran into this article on Facebook and not surprisingly, her supporters are women and the token male white knight. And most look like the women that have the most propensity for abortion. Anxiety maybe?

The problem is not only with women who actually have abortions. When women have it in their minds and hearts that abortion is their moral “right,” their soul gets perverted, even if they don’t actually have any abortions because they “personally” find it a bit too much. This is why it seems to so many of us that women are just not worthy human beings any more. It seems that way because they aren’t.

I’m of two minds re: abortion. I fully agree that the best women are the ones from those countries named in the article which restrict abortion

I also think the US would be a far worse place demographically without abortion. Go visit your local abortion wing of the hospital and look at the women in line there. Day in and day out you will see a stream of underclass, poor, minorities. If you took the lower 10% of America and ask “do we want more or less of these? ” that’s what you’ll see waiting to get an abortion.

It’s easy to say “take away the abortion and they will behave better” but these are not the most rational creatures out there. The kids they have are going on welfare, they are getting SNAP payments for food, and they are all living in free housing thanks to Section 8.

The bottom line is I disagree with the conclusion that abortion was the CAUSE and not the SYMPTOM of this problem. Take away abortion, and I think America would have its own new, different set of problems. And the white Europeans that built this country would ALREADY be in the minority, instead of having to wait one more generation for that to happen (white babies born today are already in the minority).

Abortion may take the blame for some of todays problems, but it gives and it takes, and at the end of the day I think it’s difficult to score whether it’s a net gain or loss. There are plenty of other low hanging fruit we can all agree to eliminate first and see what happens: No fault divorce would be a great one.

Did abortion cause degeneracy or is it simply reflecting it? My personal belief is that I’m very glad it’s legal and available (and wish it was taxpayer subsidized) but would never ever choose that option for myself. I suppose the problem though, is entrusting that decision to others. While I’m fully able to make it, giving that same power to strong, empowered independent women is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps make abortion only granted in cases of the girl’s father, boyfriend, or court order?

There is no feasible way to end abortion unless you also plan to end the welfare state. If you only ended one, you would get a whole lot more of the other, and either is intolerable, but personally, I would prefer that these people weed themselves out of the gene pool. So long as I am not paying for it, fuck them.

While I am 100% in agreement with your statement, I also think there is some fundamental failure of leadership that has caused us to feel that making statements about what, in high-trust homogeneous communities, are your close neighbors and extended family, such as: “So long as I am not paying for it, fuck you.” is a normal healthy feeling to have about others.

I assure you that is NOT the attitude that pilgrim families had after arriving on the Mayflower, or Viking tribes of old.

‘….stream of underclass, poor, minorities….” that we’re better off without…
Channeling Margaret Sanger there. Although she generally opposed abortion as infanticide, preferring sterilization and birth control for the lower classes.

Excellent article, and it solidifies how women have no set morality – their “moral belief system” is a never-ending pool of shifting sand that largely depends on the views of the most current guy she is fucking. I can tell you, as a man who had his first child aborted/murdered against his will by an evil twat at 17 weeks along and who had zero say in the matter, that allowing women any choice in the single most important human occurrence of creating and sustaining new life is utterly foolish and wrong. Repeal Roe vs. Wade- POTUS Trump, criminalize PP and their utterly revolting ilk, and save what’s left of Western Civilization for future men.

I am all for financial abortion. You sign away any possible rights you might have to anything even representing fatherhood. Come next to that kid and you are a pervert stalker not a sympathetic father….and you don’t owe a fucking dime.

It would clean up some sluttery as well. If Tyrone can legally dispense with financial and legal obligations to the about to be born kids, she’s probably not going to be putting out to Tyrone very much compared to when he’s on the hook financially no matter what.

Have no fear, Hipponax, there will always be sluts. From the beginning of time, there have been sluts, and until the end of time, there will always be sluts. Sluts are ubiquitous. Sluts are indefatigable. Sluts are eternal.

Only if she can’t then turn to the state as ‘big daddy government’ to step in and pay her. Which is the problem now — she can. She can get with the most irresponsible men in the world with ‘big daddy’ as a back-stop.

I tend to agree with you– the safety net, as broad and as deep as it has gotten incentivizes irresponsible behavior. Just as the bail-outs for corporations do.
The reduction in welfare under Clinton led to a lot of folks bettering their lives.

For sex to happen, she has to consent. He either gets it or he doesn’t, but she has the ultimate say. That’s the difference. If she says no, and he’s not a rapist, nothing happens. She controls that valve, so the burden of responsibility is on her.

That said, men do contribute as well. As such, they should have the right to opt out of child support the moment the pregnancy is discovered, just like a woman can abort the child if she wants. Equality, I likes it.

But she ultimately has the final say. There’s no getting around that (except rape). That’s my point.

If she’s allowed to “opt out” and kill BOTH of their baby without his input, then he should have the opportunity to opt out regardless of her decision to keep the child. Fair is fair. My body, my choice after all.

I’m saying, I’m not shilling for the feminists. If she has the right to make her own reproductive decisions based on convenience and economic considerations, then so does the husband. Equality before the law. I’m touting the anti-feminist view on this, I’m saying men should have the same rights as women.

I like this concept, she has choice of whether or not to abort, but he has the choice whether or not to support. If he wants to not support, he is cut off from the kid. Sounds harsh on the outside, but this shoulders the responsibility for whoring more on her shoulders, it stops the women from sleeping around to get child support. She will think twice before sleeping around with some random guy. Her body her choice, his body, his choice.

In the case of completely unprotected sex yes, but it’s far more common for a condom to break/defective, “forgot” a pill or whatever. The pill has probably caused way more “accidental” pregnancies than raw dogging.

I am against abortion. But once talking to a friend from high school made me ask a serious question “if the child were to be born with very serious congenital anomalies, would you still disagree?”. What do you think?

So a woman gets pregnant, there is adoption. It is still a viable option. Here is a link to a website where couples advertise themselves, and the mother can choose who the baby goes to.https://adoption.com/lds/families

A claim that depends on us believing that it is still the year 1750 and that 3 in 10 women die from complications due to childbirth and child bearing. Turns out that normally it’s around 700 women a year across the entire U.S. Compare that to the number of pregnant women in that same period that that’s not even a statistical blip on the radar. A woman has more of a chance of being hit by a car when walking outside, every single day, than dying from complications from pregnancy, yet I don’t see any anti-life types eschewing leaving one’s home.

My wife knew this girl who married and got pregnant. Shortly thereafter, she came down with cancer. Because of the baby, she elected to forgo the chemotherapy and radiation treatment until after she delivered. Too late, the cancer killed her a short time later. However, the baby survived. Her husband eventually remarried.

The reason I tell that story, is to show how strong a woman’s instinct to have children is. A woman who elects to have an abortion out of convenience is going against her very nature.

Maybe this is the answer to the question I posed above – if she had the abortion, maybe she could have gotten the cancer treatment and saved her life. But I suspect this wasn’t something that was discovered in month 9 when you could have just rolled her right to the OR, cut the kid out, then wheeled her over to the chemo lab. I don’t see how we ever get to a point where viable kids need to die for the mother’s health. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

Serious question – how would abortion help with any of these women who died? I mean, aren’t we talking about women who die in delivery? It seems like whatever is going on medically has happened at that point and it isn’t clear to me how killing an otherwise healthy child that just needs to come out makes the situation better. For example, during my wife’s first pregnancy, she had a rough delivery and they had to do a C-section, and she hemorrhaged and almost bled out. How killing my kid would have made that better or changed that outcome is beyond me. I hear all this “abortion for the mother’s health stuff,” and I’m willing to listen to it, but I never actually hear any scenarios where I am convinced that killing the kid would help save the mother, but maybe I’m missing something.

A girl I lived with many years ago, when I was in my early 20s, got pregnant while we were shacking up. Being a sap at the time, I paid for the abortion. Found out later the kid wasn’t mine. That was my very first red-pill moment. Thank god it happened. I went on a binge after that, treated every woman I wanted as my personal piece of meat, and had a harem within about six months. From that point on, I either had a harem, or I had my entire lifestyle financed by a slut in return for exclusive sex. I’m not sure what the point is here, but abortion played a role in waking me up and keeping me from being a blue-pill, white-knight, beta boy. So there’s a plus side to everything…

She told me after the abortion that the fetus was seven weeks old (the doctor told her this). Went to the wall calendar in our kitchen, and counted back seven weeks. She was smack-dab in the middle of a two-week vacation, in another state, seeing her sister, at that time.

She was a wild child. I was 23 and she was 18. I caught her in bed with a mutual friend a couple months later. (After I kicked her out and she begged me to come back to her.) Went over for a late-night dinner, walked into her new rental house, caught her in bed with the guy.

I got even with her. Almost drove her into an insane asylum by the time I was done. Long story there (no, I didn’t just let her get away with it). She triggered me and I went full-on mercenary. In a way, she did me a favor, because she woke me up.

She settled the fuck down after I got even with her, got married, and stayed married for a couple of decades. But a slut is a slut, and her husband eventually divorced her, and she got a big house, a ton of money, etc. Then she dropped dead of a brain aneurysm on the floor of that big old house, right in the living room, about two years ago.

Try as I might, I couldn’t dredge up any sympathy for her. (She was a phenomenal, five-star fuck though – I’ll give her points for that.)

The ‘Investigation Discovery’ channel had a show about a woman (philipina) who would sleep around with military members (Pilipino-americans), claim she was pregnant to get them to give her the money for an abortion or she’d go to their command and smear them.
Eventually one of the guys she was trying to extort killed her.

I am not sure if this is true or not but tagthesponsors (who I learned about through this site and still follow) pointed out that there are some of these rich arabs who will pay a Miami bottle rat or Instagram whore to get pregnant for a few months until they are showing, do some preggo gang bangs and weird shit with camels and dogs and then abort.

Look, some of these guys have so much money that it has become an abstraction to them…not actually a real or finite resource. If you find some Miami bottle rat and offer her 500k to do this plus bonuses and tips while she is getting gangbanged and huge shopping sprees…maybe not all of them will jump on it, but some will 100%

Women will do anything, even if money isn’t involved. Toss in a huge fee, and it’s just gravy for them. “I was going to get fucked up the ass by a donkey anyway…and this guy wants to pay me $75,000 to do it? Bwahahaha.” Etc.

Never had the pleasure of that one. I’ll take your word for it. I think many a modern woman’s mindset these days, revolves around the notion of, “The more twisted it is, the bigger the sexual merit badge is.” Bragging rights. While they sit around and compare fuck notes with their empowered girlfriends…

Bob it was truly a huge and horror story like surprise. Sitting in the strip club with my other military buddies, and suddenly they announce (In Spanish so I’m the only one who can understand it) some chicks name with “y su burro” and I immediately do an ears up “What the fuck”. Out comes the donkey, out comes the girl, out comes the donkey circumference sized leather. Ho….leeee….fucktarts.

I am appalled and simultaneously intrigued…I wonder if her future kids had a dash of donkey DNA…you know, in school, their friends called them “horse face”. I make light here, but that is some sick shit. Women will do any goddamned thing when it comes to sex. Sex to a woman is like – nothing. A chance to get off, whomever their partner might be. I wish more guys would wrap their minds around this one – it will save them a lot of heartache.

Many moons ago, my cousin tricked me into watching a video of some sick broad getting banged by a horse.
I thought it was fake at first.
I only watched a couple minutes and was truly a bit shaken up.
Dafuq did I just see. A human actually did that?

I’m just saying. There has to be like a nerdy super-rich arab dude that just wants to hang out and not do a bunch of gay shit. We could race his Lamborghinis and shoot at people like real-life GTA. We could rent homeless people and set them on fire like on YouTube. We could buy Hayden Christensen and torture him to death for ruining Darth Vader. I mean, I could come up with some fun shit for us to do without involving weird sex, camels and STDs.

As the social consequences of abortion show, a healthy patriarchal society doesn’t necessarily have to conscript women into doing the right thing, like in Margaret Atwood’s ridiculous novel The Handmaid’s Tale that the degenerate media have already turned into two TV adaptations.

Instead we just have to stop making escape routes so that women can shirk their responsibility. When women knew they couldn’t get legal abortions, the knowledge led to their quicker emotional maturation; they learned to control their sexuality for the purposes of early marriage and family formation, instead of continuing to act like teenage girls on prom night well into their 30’s.

I’m not going to argue the merits or demerits of abortion. And just to clarify some other issues, I want to say: I believe the earth has too many people. Abortion is not an acceptable method of birth control. If you took all the people on earth and moved them to the United States, we would still have HALF the population density that England has today!

What I am getting at is that the Pro Choice movement has nearly succeeded in entirely removing God and Man from having any say-so regarding reproduction. They are setting themselves up as goddesses again, granting themselves the power over life and death. They want to control the kids, they want to control the money, and they want to control the men. I’m sorry, but it’s time to draw a line in the sand. This can’t go on.

Women who take matters of who lives and who dies into their own hands are co-opting God. This is not their decision alone to make. They can decide not to have sex; that is their boundary. And, of course, in the few actual cases of rape where this becomes an issue, where no man comes forward to assume the responsibility of raising the child, then the choice to abort belongs to the woman alone.

The fact is, when men and women are equal, women are more equal than men because they control reproduction. Ultimately, the main thing that gives a man meaning and purpose in his sorry life, the thing that gets him up in the morning and off to work at some stink-ass job, is the time he spends being enriched by his kids. Kids do that for men. They make us happy to be alive. Where does this society get off ripping that away from us and still expecting us to perform?

Because men simply follow their natural instincts whilst women, as the reproductive unit of the species, go against theirs.

Male homo sapiens has the longest, thickest erect penis of the 192 species of apes. It is no secret that men want sex all the time and that women, unlike other mammals, are not prone to service them for only two weeks in spring, but indeed are sexually available all year round, even when they’re pregnant.

I don’t know why, but the bass line in the refrain, from the song “You’re Gonna Get What’s Coming”, started running through my head after I read this article (a psychiatrist would have a field day with that admission):

We live in the motherfucking 21st century.
Women have the pill, iuds, patches, shots, condoms, morning after pill that any girl can buy, etc etc etc…
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Any woman who has an unplanned pregnancy is an idiot who doesnt have control of their life.
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There is no excuse for it to get to the point where abortion is even an option..
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I’m all for men being able to have a legal abortion.
“My body, my choice”! Ok! My jizz, my money!
That would prevent many broads ffrom trying to trap a man.
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As others have pointed out, at face value, its cheaper to abort than pay for a life of welfare, section 8, EBT, etc.
But, if abortion were illegal, society would change so we would see way less cases like that.
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Either way, the public should not have to pay for it.
Govt should step aside and let some bs charity take over that area.

You’ve made some good posts before but I heard a faraway socialist worker tell that same meme. Her friend’s so and so and the vehicle make was the same. It was a ‘jeep’. The feminist diaspora must be really tight worldwide to know the same so and so personally with the same ‘jeep’ although the tale evolves slightly with each telling. Then there are ‘his twins’ added. Small world huh? It’s a pretty popular meme to lay, the friend being pushed out of the jeep by the awful man end of story. More laws against that awful man driver! There’s always more to a story and another side. We want video of this meme interaction within the famous original ‘jeep’. Is this the one?

If so, the story has greatly evolved from the original version. The story must be legendary in women’s study classes by now.

These rabid, insane pro-abortion feminazis behave as if someone was forcing them to have children. Majority of them look like Jabba The Hutt’s evil spawns and no sane man would want his child to have their genetics.

The problem is that these loud-mouthed creatures encourage many otherwise normal girls to give up on having families. They insist that their degenerate choices be inflicted on the rest of women. Sick weirdos.

There were a lot of drawbacks prior to Roe v. Wade too (“back alley” abortions, etc.). Sometimes it seems like life presents you with nothing but shitty choices. Oh well, if we need to pick a shitty choice, we might as well pick one that does not destroy western civilization.

I married one of those Cherry Blossoms. Still married 40 years later.

Roe v. Wade needs to go down. Abortion is not a federal issue.

As to whether abortion is murder or not, I look at it this way: I find the notion that an IUD or morning-after pill are murder, and the notion that a partial birth abortion is not murder, equally implausible.

Abortion, in the vast majority of cases, is simply being used as birth control. Most abortions occur because of laziness, stupidity and irresponsibility on the part of women. Abortion should only be permitted in the rarest of circumstances – when a woman is raped, or if the pregnancy is endangering her life.

In an era where dozens of highly effective forms of birth control are readily available abortion is unnecessary in almost all cases.

Feminists are big on rights, but of course, being the infantilized vipers they are – not at all on responsibilities. The simple fact is – life begins in her body, not his. Because of this women have one huge responsibility – be circumspect when, and with whom you choose to create that life.

I, for one hope Roe v. Wade is overturned. Eight years of Mr. Trump is what America so desperately needs.

Ah the irony, the original suffragette leaders cited the evils of abortion and condemned it. They saw it as something being forced on women by men. They didn’t use the modern phrase, it came down to-

Abortion turns women into sex objects, play things for men.

Modern feminists enthusiastically support abortion, yet decry women being sex objects, but in reality the suffragettes had it correct. Nothing is as effective in reducing a woman to being simply a sex object than the concept of a willingness to kill her progeny for convenience.

Believe me, you may not really want to ban abortions in the US. Once it’s banned, you will find out there are so may newborn black and brown babies every year. Just look at Brazil and you will realize it will be a fast track to Third World.

Wow. This article just screams “beta”; “waah, women won’t have nice guys baybeez anymore!” Sheesh. Fact is, the abortion rate in the USA was well into the high 6-figures 60 years ago–even though illegal everywhere. And white women have low rates of abortion. Hispanics and especially blacks have very high rates. How much of a demographic shift do you want? Do you want to be up to your eyeballs in car thieves, gangbangers, welfare moms and mongoloids? And don’t forget the drop in crime over the last 25 years. Maybe no more lead paint was a factor but it wasn’t the only one.

The connection made in the article is WRONG.
Spain for example is a country that banned abortions until 2010, and even now they are difficult to obtain, BUT NO, you can’t find a decent woman in Spain, because socialism+feminism since Franco’s death.
Most of women will divorce you and if not imprison you on false accusations of violence, will just get all your assets and the kids.
Spain now has feminist mayors in the major cities : Madrid and Barcelona.
And plenty of broads that still live with their parents well into their 30s.

The feminism bug is enforced hard in Spain like everywhere by the UN. The UN is constantly pushing programs to empower women even in the most remote corners of the Earth. They will sponsor teams to visit the most isolated jungle tribes scratching and searching for any female who hasn’t yet been ’empowered’. It used to be that only the most radical feminists would pound their fists and scream “NO man EVER has the right to control ANY woman” . . Now today that pretty much defines the exclusive mission of the UN. Could Jews be to blame? If so which jews or which clear delineation of jewish sect is advocating the proselytizing of feminism?

Many jewish women, jewish mothers especially are known for being highly neurotic and their sperg-like rantings belie their intelligence. In fact a jewish woman on a feminist rant appears down right stupid. They need silenced and capped. They were long overdue for cliterectomies long ago.

I saw a post on here a week or so ago about false rape accusations in Israel which stuck in my mind. It shows many jewish women on camera screaming like children and doing the same antics a child would do, only they are adults throwing false rape cries whenever they don’t get their way. And their Jewish men are at a loss, disheveled and powerless. OBSERVE the sperg-like demeanor of the woman in the taxi cab threatening the driver with rape accusation.

These jewish women seem to be the most entitled and spoiled of any on Earth I’ve witnessed, aside from the fat nigger and muddie housing project women who cry rape as a matter of procedure for replacing their motherfucker (sire). Feminism has bitten Israel hard, very hard. SO WHICH motherfucking jews are responsible for feminism? It’s like Jewish women are wired to succumb to the full spectrum of cultural/suicidal zombosis. Observe also the tantrums thrown by the other jewish women caught on camera. Ray Rice’s dumb nigger bitch in the elevator (she still loves him) can’t hold a match to these Jewish women going femstupid. At least Rice’s girl went through a period of fuming elsewhere and finally got prodded by feminist counsel to cry for the slickie tabloids. But these apeshit neuro crazy jewish bats act like they have a right or outburst anytime, anywhere and snap their fingers for mangina boot boys cops to appear like magic genies to grant their wish. It’s the ultimate Disney (jewish)princess complex. They’re so sure that ‘bitches rule’ and they pull the rape card over and over, cooling off in between and then striking with it again like a snake.

TO CRACK A BLOW to the feminist pandemic, we need to crack on the Jewish women first because of their red level convulsing. They are the most suceptable. Why? . . Hmm . . CLITERECTOMIES mandatory. Jewish men need to cap their goddamn crazy bitch’s clits at once. You can always (vote) heh to uncap them in a later generation. Right now there’s a pandemic emerging and YOU WILL ALL DROP DEAD if your women aren’t protected from the full blown zombo convulsion stage. Feminism will blow over but the uncliterectomized zombo prone women won’t survive. Maybe they weren’t meant to survive. I guarantee there is a very powerful patriarchal tide coming in and soon.

As regards to myself as a non jewish man, the most trouble that ever came my way was a result of me not controlling my bitch properly. The bitch brought the shit on. She made enemies FOR me. Your woman will bring enemies to your doorstep if you don’t control her properly. This is because YOU are responsible for your woman. She is YOUR responsibility man!

Never thought of this contributing to the social dating conditions. All those clothes hangers are like the rotten-apples that spoil the whole bunch. I always thought it was repulsive, but I never thought of the social fallout. It’s like a squeak or click on the train; you don’t notice it at first, but now it’s all you can hear. As if another contributing cause makes this quagmire any less of a mess. Reed, good article.

It accepts killing, unilaterally disempowers men (fathers), cheapens life, and positions women as gods – ’empowered’ to make life and death decisions independent of any other person or cultural safeguards.

And i would argue, it contributes to the divorce epidemic….I mean, if it’s OK to kill your baby when it’s inconvenient, it’s much less agregious to terminate a marriage.

“Perhaps not coincidentally, less than two years after Roe v. Wade, the U.S. child support enforcement system was set up to ensure that government power would guarantee that the ‘chosen’ providers would pay up whatever the state demanded.”

Not a coincidence at all, because the same year that Roe was issued, the Court issued its opinion in Gomez v. Perez, which extended equal protection under the 14th Amendment to illegitimate children. This meant that the states could no longer restrict the collection of child support to men who fathered children ONLY within wedlock; i.e. a single stroke disposal of the so-called bastardy acts. Thus in two cases, SCOTUS legalized abortion, and gave financial incentive to bastardy.

As the Court had it “a State may not invidiously discriminate against illegitimate children by denying them substantial benefits accorded children generally. We therefore hold that once a State posits a judicially enforceable right on behalf of children to needed support from their natural fathers there is no constitutionally sufficient justification for denying such an essential right to a child simply because its natural father has not married its mother. For a State to do so is ‘illogical and unjust.'”

So as you can see, between Nixon and Reagan racking up 49 state victories, the unelected superior legislature masquerading as common law judges, issues two edicts which effectively tear up the foundations of an ordered society. And conservatives did fuck all about it. Because equality.

As contraceptive methods become cheaper and its use more widespread, abortion becomes more irrelevant. I find abortion very useful to get rid of people I will certainly not like nor need. And sluttery-wise… the contraceptives already made irreversibly made women sluts, there is no other way around.

And not to mention, all of these methods are either very cheap or are covered by one’s health insurance.

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