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Thanks Kim, very affirming, but equally disturbing. My whole family is in love with Queen Sarah and can’t see the danger lurking. How much longer will the grace of our Lord tarry. I keep hoping and waiting for our blessed hope, but I have several loved ones who have not put their faith in Christ, so at the same time I am thankful for His patience.

Kim, you make some very large assumptions and correlations without really going into the core theology of what IHOP believe. You also repeat misrespresentations that IHOP actually openly address on their website http://www.IHOP.org.

I would recommend that you search out the truth of what these men believe from the source, and not from third party websites that have agendas against these men.

Damien would you please be specific as to what has been misrepresented and I’m sure Kim will gladly remedy it. It may also prove to be that the leaders of IHOP and others are guilty of what is accused here.

I have personally been to an IHOP prayer meeting and it has been more like a pagan gathering than Christian. Music and unbiblical approach to God Etc.

I already am linked with the Ihop website and have crawled through it. Just lately I looked through the Ten Year Celebration notes only to find much credit given to Bob Jones who I consider a false prophet because of his many false predictions.

Deuterononmy 18 is very clear about what false prophets

20. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.

21 “You may say to yourselves, How we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously.

Jesus warns of false prophets in Matthew 7. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing. and verse 22 says,

“Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers.'”

Paul tells Timothy:

2 Timothy 4:3-4

“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

Many have been watching and observing IHOP over the years and have been alarmed.

my research does not rely on “credible sites” as my sole source, but defers to the Word of God and the guiding revelation of the Holy Spirit as the plumbline for my beliefs.

I read around all sides of the topics at hand, testing all things and holding fast to what is good.

On that note, IWTT, I have read all the links and comments, thanks for your time, I shall digest further and dialogue with God

I will say, that thus far, arguments against are more based upon association than directly refuting particular doctrines. I don’t say this as a rebuttal, but I prefer testing things that are measurable and quantifiable in this sense.

Damien men cannot approach the Almighty God in any shape or fashion and do as they please. We can only approach God in prayer singularly through the blood of Christ shed upon the cross.

Ihop used a method of approaching the Almighty via a model called ‘harp and bowl’ This as you probibly already know is taken from Revelation chapter five. Greviously what this practice of IHOP has done is take the scene of heaven where Christ is declared worthy to open the seven seals and mimic it. ( be it ever so cheesy an attempt!) It is true that the bowls are called the prayers of the saints.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

But IHOP instead of praying at their harp and bowl gatherings attempt to sing the ‘ new song’ of the four beasts and the 24 elders. First of all then IHOP have ceased praying but are now singing or trying to sing a song that was never intended for them to sing. Secondly it is impossible for IHOP to sing the song given to the 24 elders and 4 beasts because it is new when it’s given to the heavenly bodies who receive it WHEN CHRIST BEGINS TO OPEN THE SEVEN SEALS.

So my problem immediately with the IHOP harp and bowl type of prayer is that it is not prayer at all but an assumptive role bordering upon blasphemy and a total distractcion from actual genuine prayer that accumulates into the bowls in the passage.

Damien I deemed it pagan music in that they used bongos as the female leaders girated their bodies and almost reached a trance like place. The action was sexually provocitave to the point that I needed to keep my eyes closed. During the bongo drums they called upon the gathering to embrace the spirit of the native cultures of the world which they suggested are actually different streams of God’s Spirit! After the drums the dance and the almost trance ferver, the women involved proceeded to make the most incredible predictions of what God was about to do in the area. All nearly associated with a mighty revival that was coming and a new thing that God was doing and the Church being warned to embrace it or be left on the side lines.

At the time of my attendance I went to the so called gatherings of prayer to pray but after 1 week of this madness, I became convinced that IHOP is not helping but being used to destroy or distract from the actual cause that they espouse, that being prayer.

Now using your argument you can say well that is your experience but not mine and not the majority of peoples experience so you are wrong to judge it. Fair enough but the web is full of stories similar to mine and the web as IWTT demonstrated is full of data collected proving the doctrinal cess pit of a net that IHOP is gathering all sorts of deviant theology and practice.

I did read the rebuttal page that you posted and honestly it’s lame. Reading it at face value I must conclude rather than convincing me of IHOP’s orthodoxy I come away convinced that they are Dominionist and latter Rain ‘lite. ‘

This is until we see the men and women that IHOP directly associate with and then the ‘lite ‘ title is switched to heavy with the added suspicion of deceit stemming from the rebuttals ascertations.

You cant say we dont believe what Bob Jones believes and then have the man come preach at the gatherings and proclaim him a real deal prophetic voice. Its hypocrisy and contrary to biblical commandments.

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Damien this is a ‘lite’ response to your questions because I do not suspect that you are genuinely researching IHOP but rather being an advocate for their cause. Therefore I suspect were anyone to write a 400 page thesis it may well fall upon deaf ears.

Saying that you use the Holy Spirit as the guiding line and defer to scripture to discern what is truth is a common claim from all who teach and believe false doctrine. I would suggest that you lean singularly upon the Holy Spirit’s instruction book. The inspired Scripture. Almost all of the false teachers say that the Holy Spirit is the one leading them when they promote heresy.

thanks Paul for taking the time to respond. I will no longer be dialoguing here. Being backhandedly accused of false doctrine and heresy from someone who knows nothing of my beliefs is, to my mind, out of line.

The heresy and false doctrine was levelled at IHOP so if you’re guilty by association then c’est la vie. I do wish you all the best sincerely and hope that the Lord opens your eyes to IHOP sooner rather than later.

Damien: It’s been years since I have attended any of the current IHOP stuff. As you consider all that has been said on this site, and other sites, please be “looking” for the proclamation of the gospel from the pulpit of IHOP. The name of Jesus has been tacked on to a lot of false doctrines around the globe. He, and He alone, is our hope, our life, our salvation. During my time with this group, WE were responsible, in some way, to bring all of these “promises” about. That is contrary to faith, alone, in Jesus Christ. Please, brother, be open to what may well be a deception.