What could be more beautiful than young love - spontaneous, overpowering, euphoric, exciting. Endless popular movies, songs and novels celebrate it. But the Torah prohibits any sexual stimulation outside of marriage and many people find this to be very oppressive.

Is there another side of the coin which doesn't always get in the movies? What are some of the downsides of sex outside marriage?

I'd love to see this research... but I doubt it exists. Incidentally, those diseases can only be contracted if you sleep with someone positive for the infections and you're not wearing protection... and the depression, stalking, etc are perfectly possible in a monogamous marriage.

It may be a cliche, but far too many people have used the "I don't want to die a virgin" line both for having sex outside of marriage and for jumping into an otherwise ill-advised marriage. That, to me, sounds more like regretting chastity than regretting having sex.

What about the 60-year-old virgins who are lonely and depressed who contemplate why they never had sex just before spraying their brains all over the ceiling with a gun? Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

All of those things happen within marriage too. The certificate and the "I do" won't protect from STDs, rejection, betrayal, depression, stalking, rape, unwanted pregnancies, abortion, suicide or murder.

Then, for heaven's sake, concentrate on the young boys instead of the young girls, stigmatize the young boys for "destroying" a chaste bride-to-be, or whatever stupid idea you can think up. Stop blaming only the girls, ok!
(But I doubt that it's [i]merely(/i] because men demand it, the women probably want to, a little bit too. Why the use of the words "girls" and "men", btw?)

I bet quite a few regret some of the chastity, when they finally found out what fun it is, and how much more fun they could have had.

Why are girls singled out here? Boys are just as vulnerable to STDs if they sleep around a lot. Further proof that religious people don't care about men sleeping around; they just want to control women.

And this, folks, is why even the memory of religion must be completely eradicated.

The poor "girls" get these diseases from "men" who contracted them from somewhere. Marriage is not a cootie shot against STDs you fool!

I admit, I regret some sex choices I've made, but not because it was out of marriage, because the guy turned out to be an ass. And most of the time, I wanted sex just as much as the guy, sometimes I wanted it even more.Women usually are more subtle when seduce guys, while guys are just stupid about it!

I'm a virgin, I intend to stay one because it looks like just too much work for stuff I can do myself(complicated, don't ask). But I still recognize that while Abstinence is the best policy, it's not the only one. Kids are dumb, they do dumb things, so the least we can do is give them the tools to be reasonably safe.

Places that have comprehensive sex ed have low teen pregnancies, places that teach abstinence only have *repeat* teen pregnancies. Get the picture?

Stalking/date rape(a twofer!)...betreyal
That can lead to depression, then murder and/or suicide(a twofer again!)
A couple not wanting a kid this early in their marriage getting an abortion(yet another twofer!, I'm getting good at this)
Rejection can arise from arranged marriages, or mariage of of convience(ex: people who wanted to keep the kid, but afterwards, well they hate each other)
Pubic crabs, Genital herpes ,Genital warts, Gonorrhea, Syphilis; depening who you talk too, toilet seats
HIV; hmmm cheating(a twofer again!) OR the fact that sometimes, people can be HIV positive b/c their mum was....every think of that ass clown?

I'm betting that "jewish philosopher" is a perfect counterexample of this. He's probably either celibate, or in one of those loveless marriages where anniversaries are more frequent than sex. All of the religious bitching about sex always seems to boil down to "if I'm not allowed to have any fun, nobody else should be allowed to, either!"