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Appleton tips Orr for big role at Blackburn Rovers

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by Andy Cryer, Blackburn Rovers reporter

MICHAEL Appleton is backing Bradley Orr to play a key role in Blackburn Rovers’ promotion push after hailing the full back as an “infectious character”.

Orr’s Rovers career looked doomed when he was allowed to leave on loan to tomorrow’s opponents Ipswich Town in November with global advisor Shebby Singh ready to extend the deal until the end of the season.

Appleton’s appointment as Rovers boss though saw the 30-year-old immediately recalled and Orr has been tipped by his boss to play an influential role at Ewood.

Orr returned to the line-up in Saturday’s comfortable 2-0 victory overBristol City and is expected to continue at right back against his former team-mates tomorrow.

Since being brought to the club by Steve Kean from QPR in January 2012, Orr has struggled to establish himself having received criticism from sections of supporters for an interview supporting Kean and subsequently falling out of favour with Singh. Now though, back at Ewood Park and offering competition to the currently injured Adam Henley, Appleton is relishing having him as part of his squad.

Appleton said of his performance against Bristol City: “It was a solid performance from Brad against one of the clubs he was at for a long time.

“I am delighted for him. He is one of those players who everybody loves at the football club. He is good company as well and it is good we have him back at the club.

“He is an infectious character. Although it may not have been a great start to his career at Blackburn, I don’t think he can blamed for any part in that.

“I think there are other people out there who can be blamed for a part in it. He has done nothing wrong as far as I am concerned and he will come in and do well for us until the end of the season.”

The Rovers boss has also again stressed the importance of being hard to beat after seeing his side record two successive clean sheets.

“I am delighted with two clean sheets,” said Appleton. “Jordan Rhodes will have got all the plaudits the other day but there were some very good performances in the back four.

“We have had to deal with a lot of long balls. Scott Dann and Grant Hanley were unsung heroes at times, Brad and Martin Olsson as well in dealing with a lot of diagonal balls.

“It was never going to be pretty. It is impossible to be pretty when you come up against a side that play like Bristol City did. I am not worried about that in the slightest little bit.

“Ipswich will be a different game, as Brighton was, and we treat every game as it comes. But it is like anything, if you play really, really well but lose no one cares.”

Meanwhile Rovers will today hope to add the loan signing of DJ Campbell from QPR but West Brom are reluctant to allow Jerome Thomas to leave The Hawthorns.

Infectious character/good company - does'nt make him a quality footballer - what a load of bloody dribble - awful player and certainly not Championship/Premier
ship material - this is the first load of rubbish to come from Mr Appletons mouth and I hope its the last!!!
Orr just is not good enough and I hope this is not the first sign of cheap second raters to be playing for the club!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH HENDRY VENKYS COAR

Infectious character/good company - does'nt make him a quality footballer - what a load of bloody dribble - awful player and certainly not Championship/Premier
ship material - this is the first load of rubbish to come from Mr Appletons mouth and I hope its the last!!!
Orr just is not good enough and I hope this is not the first sign of cheap second raters to be playing for the club!!
OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH HENDRY VENKYS COARdangerous dave

Appleton has made big steps forward so far. He's kicked out the deadwood and the want-aways (those that aren't on Robbo style wages!). An is looking at bringing in loan and free-agents.... cheap deals for good players, he obviously sees Orr in his plans and so far his plan is working.

When Rovers is in decline,
There's an App for that

Bring on the dingles!

Appleton has made big steps forward so far. He's kicked out the deadwood and the want-aways (those that aren't on Robbo style wages!). An is looking at bringing in loan and free-agents.... cheap deals for good players, he obviously sees Orr in his plans and so far his plan is working.
When Rovers is in decline,
There's an App for that
Bring on the dingles!RoverTheHill

Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.Harwoodstblue

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEMdangerous dave

Cannot disagree with comments about Orr's previous performances or support for K**n but - sharp intake of breath - we seem to have a Manager who seems to have a plan and the team understand and follow it .
For the first time since Big Sam left I am looking up the table not looking down it

Lets give Orr a chance - if he can show that he fits into Appletons team it can only be good for us

Cannot disagree with comments about Orr's previous performances or support for K**n but - sharp intake of breath - we seem to have a Manager who seems to have a plan and the team understand and follow it .
For the first time since Big Sam left I am looking up the table not looking down it
Lets give Orr a chance - if he can show that he fits into Appletons team it can only be good for usVenk Off

I trust Appletons judgement but i thought Bradley was poor in the first half against City. And i really can't believe he made the N power championship team of the week! There must have been a better right back in the championship somewhere??? I was sat in the jack walker stand behind the dugout and must of counted 4 occasions where Bradley put his hand up to the bench to say sorry for a poor ball he just played. Westwood was screaming at him. Don't know what he was shouting but probably something along the lines of "we're in blue and white Bradley!!". Hope i'm wrong and Bradley improves under Appleton, only time will tell.
COYB!!!!!

I trust Appletons judgement but i thought Bradley was poor in the first half against City. And i really can't believe he made the N power championship team of the week! There must have been a better right back in the championship somewhere??? I was sat in the jack walker stand behind the dugout and must of counted 4 occasions where Bradley put his hand up to the bench to say sorry for a poor ball he just played. Westwood was screaming at him. Don't know what he was shouting but probably something along the lines of "we're in blue and white Bradley!!". Hope i'm wrong and Bradley improves under Appleton, only time will tell.
COYB!!!!!chez rover

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.Harwoodstblue

lancs1985 wrote:
LOOKS LIKE THE DIRTY SCOUSER HAS BEEN DOING MORE BROWN NOSEING

GET HIM OUT THE CLUB HE IS USELESS

GO N GET 2 MIDFIELDERS AND GET LOWE BACK TO RB N LET HIM AND HENLEY BATTLE IT OUT

Give it a rest for God's sake.

[quote][p][bold]lancs1985[/bold] wrote:
LOOKS LIKE THE DIRTY SCOUSER HAS BEEN DOING MORE BROWN NOSEING
GET HIM OUT THE CLUB HE IS USELESS
GO N GET 2 MIDFIELDERS AND GET LOWE BACK TO RB N LET HIM AND HENLEY BATTLE IT OUT[/p][/quote]Give it a rest for God's sake.1952 rover

Well Said. If they don't like it go and watch the Dingles, as they must like them more with all their calling of the Rovers.

[quote][p][bold]Halcyon[/bold] wrote:
can the orr haters not just get over it, sad ba$tards[/p][/quote]Well Said. If they don't like it go and watch the Dingles, as they must like them more with all their calling of the Rovers.1952 rover

As Harwoodst blue has already said "Who didn't look awful playing in the Kean era". Things have changed a lot since then and Appleton seems to have himself and the team a lot more organised and playing with a lot more confidence. Can't people stop looking to put the club down at every opportunity and try to back the team regardless of whoever is playing in it? I think his judgement is much more informed than all of ours put together. I'm sure Ewood will soon let him know if he's wrong!!!!!!!!
COYB the future's a lot brighter than it was 3 or 4 games ago...

As Harwoodst blue has already said "Who didn't look awful playing in the Kean era". Things have changed a lot since then and Appleton seems to have himself and the team a lot more organised and playing with a lot more confidence. Can't people stop looking to put the club down at every opportunity and try to back the team regardless of whoever is playing in it? I think his judgement is much more informed than all of ours put together. I'm sure Ewood will soon let him know if he's wrong!!!!!!!!
COYB the future's a lot brighter than it was 3 or 4 games ago...angryandy

1952 rover wrote:
Why don't all you critics wait till the end of the season before you shout out your s@it.

You're not the only one getting a little fed up of the negativity on these pages but you can surely understand why especially with the Venky's lack of common sense! Rovers fans have always been fickle. I remember Don Mackay's being of Sellars, Garner, Keeley, Faz etc being criticised in the 80's for not perfoming just after JW had taken control of the club. I didn't agree with that then but we are a different kettle of fish now.

[quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote:
Why don't all you critics wait till the end of the season before you shout out your s@it.[/p][/quote]You're not the only one getting a little fed up of the negativity on these pages but you can surely understand why especially with the Venky's lack of common sense! Rovers fans have always been fickle. I remember Don Mackay's being of Sellars, Garner, Keeley, Faz etc being criticised in the 80's for not perfoming just after JW had taken control of the club. I didn't agree with that then but we are a different kettle of fish now.angryandy

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!

Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!

DANGEROUS DAVE OUT

RTID

[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!
Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!
DANGEROUS DAVE OUT
RTIDChrisDeBerg

If MA want's him in the team then thats fine with me because the overall changes he is making is good. I am more concerned about the slow pace in bringing players in to support MA. They signed King like a flash and with Appleton it's not been good so far. You get the feeling that it isn't good with what seems to be a negative Shebby lurking about in the background who hasn't come out and supported MA he is already tinkering in he background bringing trialist in to the club. Venky's have only brushed this problem under carpet rather than solving it. Shebby needs to support MA and then we can be a bit more comfortable with the whole situation.

If MA want's him in the team then thats fine with me because the overall changes he is making is good. I am more concerned about the slow pace in bringing players in to support MA. They signed King like a flash and with Appleton it's not been good so far. You get the feeling that it isn't good with what seems to be a negative Shebby lurking about in the background who hasn't come out and supported MA he is already tinkering in he background bringing trialist in to the club. Venky's have only brushed this problem under carpet rather than solving it. Shebby needs to support MA and then we can be a bit more comfortable with the whole situation.A Rover 45 years and over

lancs1985 wrote:
LOOKS LIKE THE DIRTY SCOUSER HAS BEEN DOING MORE BROWN NOSEING GET HIM OUT THE CLUB HE IS USELESS GO N GET 2 MIDFIELDERS AND GET LOWE BACK TO RB N LET HIM AND HENLEY BATTLE IT OUT

He was poor against Bristol City. The two Olsons were effective and stopped any crosses from left side. Bristol had a few good chances in the first half and all came from balls on right hand side. The right side was poor. Bristol nearly scored twice in first half and the balls came from rovers right side. Orr needs to concentrate more or rovers need to play Lowe as right back till Henley comes back.

[quote][p][bold]lancs1985[/bold] wrote:
LOOKS LIKE THE DIRTY SCOUSER HAS BEEN DOING MORE BROWN NOSEING GET HIM OUT THE CLUB HE IS USELESS GO N GET 2 MIDFIELDERS AND GET LOWE BACK TO RB N LET HIM AND HENLEY BATTLE IT OUT[/p][/quote]He was poor against Bristol City. The two Olsons were effective and stopped any crosses from left side. Bristol had a few good chances in the first half and all came from balls on right hand side. The right side was poor. Bristol nearly scored twice in first half and the balls came from rovers right side. Orr needs to concentrate more or rovers need to play Lowe as right back till Henley comes back.moh

For me I cannot forgive him after his post relegation comments after the Wigan game. A reminder for some:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=7PO4f3ppO
z8

I'd find it hard to forgive a great player but as Orr is only average at his very best and I have no problem disliking him. That said once he pulls on the shirt he should get full support and if he fails its up the the manager to put final nail in his coffin.

sure henley when fit will keep orr on the bench so fingers crossed he is only a temporary measure

For me I cannot forgive him after his post relegation comments after the Wigan game. A reminder for some:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=7PO4f3ppO
z8
I'd find it hard to forgive a great player but as Orr is only average at his very best and I have no problem disliking him. That said once he pulls on the shirt he should get full support and if he fails its up the the manager to put final nail in his coffin.
sure henley when fit will keep orr on the bench so fingers crossed he is only a temporary measurematt00

Wez_SHEBBYOUT wrote:
hhaha next joke Orr is possibly the worst player i have seen at Ewood for quite some time.

hhaha next joke.....And you are possibly the worst supporter I haven't seen at Ewood!!

[quote][p][bold]Wez_SHEBBYOUT[/bold] wrote:
hhaha next joke Orr is possibly the worst player i have seen at Ewood for quite some time.[/p][/quote]hhaha next joke.....And you are possibly the worst supporter I haven't seen at Ewood!!A Darener

Harwoodstblue wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID

Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them

[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID[/p][/quote]Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of themdangerous dave

If Appleton had a bit of common sense, he would have let Orr get on with his job and allowed him to prove himself quietly. As it is, he just brings out the critics again by singling him out. Surely he knew the feeling. A bit stupid if you ask me. None of the players bar Rhodes has done enough to be highlighted so just let them get on with the job at hand.

If Appleton had a bit of common sense, he would have let Orr get on with his job and allowed him to prove himself quietly. As it is, he just brings out the critics again by singling him out. Surely he knew the feeling. A bit stupid if you ask me. None of the players bar Rhodes has done enough to be highlighted so just let them get on with the job at hand.To.guy

I mist be watching a different game to most of you. Bradley Orr was actually very good against Bristol City. What he did well was, running forward beyond half way, and rather than doing what the Olsson's do (run into a corner and lose it), he played it in to feet, either inside or up to the striker - I was actually very impressed with his passing, which he hit hard in to feet, rather than lofted in and around Rhodes.

I mist be watching a different game to most of you. Bradley Orr was actually very good against Bristol City. What he did well was, running forward beyond half way, and rather than doing what the Olsson's do (run into a corner and lose it), he played it in to feet, either inside or up to the striker - I was actually very impressed with his passing, which he hit hard in to feet, rather than lofted in and around Rhodes.RTID

It will be nice to have Henley and Orr battling it out for the LB spot, its a while since we had that level of competition. But what about the young Chelsea lad Kane? I know he was only on a months loan so has he gone back to the Bridge now? Now he definiely looked a decent player and one to watch for the future...Allez les Bleus

PS - Let's plough through the tractor boys this weekend!

It will be nice to have Henley and Orr battling it out for the LB spot, its a while since we had that level of competition. But what about the young Chelsea lad Kane? I know he was only on a months loan so has he gone back to the Bridge now? Now he definiely looked a decent player and one to watch for the future...Allez les Bleus
PS - Let's plough through the tractor boys this weekend!French Rover

One has to laugh when posters on here criticise so harshly a player who featured in the Championship team-of-the-week.

It just goes to prove what we all suspected.

They know nowt!

It could just be that the 'moaners' are running short of things to moan about now that there is actually some good news coming out of Ewood.

Surely, they can't all be Dingles - can they?

One has to laugh when posters on here criticise so harshly a player who featured in the Championship team-of-the-week.
It just goes to prove what we all suspected.
They know nowt!
It could just be that the 'moaners' are running short of things to moan about now that there is actually some good news coming out of Ewood.
Surely, they can't all be Dingles - can they?lusorover

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!

Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!

DANGEROUS DAVE OUT

RTID

here here

[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!
Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!
DANGEROUS DAVE OUT
RTID[/p][/quote]here heremadrover

lusorover wrote:
One has to laugh when posters on here criticise so harshly a player who featured in the Championship team-of-the-week.

It just goes to prove what we all suspected.

They know nowt!

It could just be that the 'moaners' are running short of things to moan about now that there is actually some good news coming out of Ewood.

Surely, they can't all be Dingles - can they?

Oh yes they can Luso, in my view anyway
Whatever they are Rovers fans they ain't
3 more points tomorrow will choke em though...
Onwards

[quote][p][bold]lusorover[/bold] wrote:
One has to laugh when posters on here criticise so harshly a player who featured in the Championship team-of-the-week.
It just goes to prove what we all suspected.
They know nowt!
It could just be that the 'moaners' are running short of things to moan about now that there is actually some good news coming out of Ewood.
Surely, they can't all be Dingles - can they?[/p][/quote]Oh yes they can Luso, in my view anyway
Whatever they are Rovers fans they ain't
3 more points tomorrow will choke em though...
OnwardsWild Rover

Harwoodstblue wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID

Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them

I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.

Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!

RTID

[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID[/p][/quote]Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them[/p][/quote]I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.
Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!
RTIDChrisDeBerg

There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?

Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?
Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.
I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.srvp28

Give it a rest and let the manager make the decisions, that's what he's paid to do. If he thinks Orr can add value then so be it.

Orr played ok in the last game, not outstanding but ok given its his first game back.

Give it a rest and let the manager make the decisions, that's what he's paid to do. If he thinks Orr can add value then so be it.
Orr played ok in the last game, not outstanding but ok given its his first game back.Bolton Rover

What game was appleton watching on Saturday then? Orr was culpable for thier attack where they hit the post, which was 1/3 of the chances they had that day. He wasn't terrible but he's not the quality we require @ ewood.

What game was appleton watching on Saturday then? Orr was culpable for thier attack where they hit the post, which was 1/3 of the chances they had that day. He wasn't terrible but he's not the quality we require @ ewood.MxMave

Is there two bradley orrs ?,,,,,,the one ive seen is not a natural footballer,,lm 55 and theres more talent in my left big toe,,come on appleton who you trying to kid,,? you insult my intelligence,

Is there two bradley orrs ?,,,,,,the one ive seen is not a natural footballer,,lm 55 and theres more talent in my left big toe,,come on appleton who you trying to kid,,? you insult my intelligence,noddy57

RTID wrote:
I mist be watching a different game to most of you. Bradley Orr was actually very good against Bristol City. What he did well was, running forward beyond half way, and rather than doing what the Olsson's do (run into a corner and lose it), he played it in to feet, either inside or up to the striker - I was actually very impressed with his passing, which he hit hard in to feet, rather than lofted in and around Rhodes.

For what it is worth I agree with all that. I did not rate him that badly when he was playing in Kean's teams which had no tactical set up, no game plan and basically no idea. Really hope the fresh start continues for him, the team, the supporters and the club.

[quote][p][bold]RTID[/bold] wrote:
I mist be watching a different game to most of you. Bradley Orr was actually very good against Bristol City. What he did well was, running forward beyond half way, and rather than doing what the Olsson's do (run into a corner and lose it), he played it in to feet, either inside or up to the striker - I was actually very impressed with his passing, which he hit hard in to feet, rather than lofted in and around Rhodes.[/p][/quote]For what it is worth I agree with all that. I did not rate him that badly when he was playing in Kean's teams which had no tactical set up, no game plan and basically no idea. Really hope the fresh start continues for him, the team, the supporters and the club.Hovis1945

MxMave wrote:
What game was appleton watching on Saturday then? Orr was culpable for thier attack where they hit the post, which was 1/3 of the chances they had that day. He wasn't terrible but he's not the quality we require @ ewood.

Are you for real? Firstly, how can Orr alone be culpable for their attack where they hit the post. The ball managed to get passed around until the shot was taken from the other side of the pitch. Secondly, even if it had been his fault that they got a chance it doesn't matter because they didn't score.

No defender, not even the likes of Vidic or Piqué, can go a couple of games without getting caught out by the opposition, that's part of the game. If every defender was perfect at their job then every game would finish 0-0.

The problem with some fans is they only seem to be happy when they've got something or someone to moan about.

[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote:
What game was appleton watching on Saturday then? Orr was culpable for thier attack where they hit the post, which was 1/3 of the chances they had that day. He wasn't terrible but he's not the quality we require @ ewood.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Firstly, how can Orr alone be culpable for their attack where they hit the post. The ball managed to get passed around until the shot was taken from the other side of the pitch. Secondly, even if it had been his fault that they got a chance it doesn't matter because they didn't score.
No defender, not even the likes of Vidic or Piqué, can go a couple of games without getting caught out by the opposition, that's part of the game. If every defender was perfect at their job then every game would finish 0-0.
The problem with some fans is they only seem to be happy when they've got something or someone to moan about.srvp28

srvp28 wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?

Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves.

I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded.

On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?
Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.
I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves.
I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded.
On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.greenscreener

srvp28 wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?

Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves.

I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded.

On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.

I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.

[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?
Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.
I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves.
I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded.
On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.[/p][/quote]I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.greenscreener

Harwoodstblue wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID

Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them

I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.

Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!

[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID[/p][/quote]Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them[/p][/quote]I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.
Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!
RTID[/p][/quote]Ice Hockey = Blackburn left winger /top goalscorer , zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Leave DAVE ALONE you nincompoop.BRFC75

Well Said. If they don't like it go and watch the Dingles, as they must like them more with all their calling of the Rovers.

It's about knowing a good player or a liability you clown!! If you rate Orr as a good player it should be you who should **** off down bonleh u thick ****. He's got no positional sense/can't tackle/**** in the air and does nothin but blames everybody else when he does something wrong. In over 40 yrs he must rank as 1 of the worst full backs I've ever seen in a rovers shirt. So take of them blue and white specs cos we will win nothing with him @ full back. Lowe or Henley 4me!!

[quote][p][bold]1952 rover[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Halcyon[/bold] wrote:
can the orr haters not just get over it, sad ba$tards[/p][/quote]Well Said. If they don't like it go and watch the Dingles, as they must like them more with all their calling of the Rovers.[/p][/quote]It's about knowing a good player or a liability you clown!! If you rate Orr as a good player it should be you who should **** off down bonleh u thick ****. He's got no positional sense/can't tackle/**** in the air and does nothin but blames everybody else when he does something wrong. In over 40 yrs he must rank as 1 of the worst full backs I've ever seen in a rovers shirt. So take of them blue and white specs cos we will win nothing with him @ full back. Lowe or Henley 4me!!trueblueaccy

Harwoodstblue wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID

Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them

I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.

Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!

Well you can go crawl back in your hole too! He comes on here constantly moaning and griping and annoying people. He never goes to games and thinks he can comment on players abilities (or staff at the club for that matter)?! Looks like you have an admirer Dave!

RTID

[quote][p][bold]BRFC75[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way! Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances! DANGEROUS DAVE OUT RTID[/p][/quote]Your obviously a pro and can play right back . I don't think so get real you plank. Out with the lot of them[/p][/quote]I'm not a pro footballer sorry. Although I played ice hockey for Blackburn as a left winger up till last season and was top goal scorer. So A) I know what being part of a team is all about and how one team can bring out a better side than another... And B) I know what having a good manager can change massively in a team.
Problem is dave, you site there ranting all your cr@p day in day out about something that you seemingly know very little about and it makes you sound a right t1t... Seriously, I'm saying this for your own good!
RTID[/p][/quote]Ice Hockey = Blackburn left winger /top goalscorer , zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Leave DAVE ALONE you nincompoop.[/p][/quote]Well you can go crawl back in your hole too! He comes on here constantly moaning and griping and annoying people. He never goes to games and thinks he can comment on players abilities (or staff at the club for that matter)?! Looks like you have an admirer Dave!
RTIDChrisDeBerg

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!

Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!

DANGEROUS DAVE OUT

RTID

Wouldn't call Rhodes cheap!!!

[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!
Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!
DANGEROUS DAVE OUT
RTID[/p][/quote]Wouldn't call Rhodes cheap!!!intothevalley

3 - His lack of pace means its easy for opposition to defend and attack our right flank.

4 - He does not have the pace to get beyond the right winger to get to the bye line in order to then pull the ball back for Rhodes / supporting box to box midfield players etc.

At least Kane Lowe and Olsson are all capable of doing this thus posing far more of a threat.

Appleton deal in Facts:
Bradley Orr is not the answer...
1 - He was and is limited in his ability.
2 - Not once did he or does he offer good service from the flank.
3 - His lack of pace means its easy for opposition to defend and attack our right flank.
4 - He does not have the pace to get beyond the right winger to get to the bye line in order to then pull the ball back for Rhodes / supporting box to box midfield players etc.
At least Kane Lowe and Olsson are all capable of doing this thus posing far more of a threat.MattNewcastle

Just shows the limit of his knowledge to limit his search for improvements to two clubs.

Appletons lack of Management experience is telling.
West Brom and Portsmouth the limits of his ambition?
Yes I know you will quote Campbell.
Just shows the limit of his knowledge to limit his search for improvements to two clubs.MattNewcastle

srvp28 wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?

Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

Hi SRVP

The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc

No Pace

Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?
Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.
I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]Hi SRVP
The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc
No Pace
Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.MattNewcastle

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.

I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.

What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.

[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.[/p][/quote]I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.[/p][/quote]What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.srvp28

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.

Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.

In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.

[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.[/p][/quote]Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.
In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.srvp28

If Appleton plays Orr it says a great deal about his vision, ambition and philosophy in terms of providing real attacking threat down both flanks.

Pick out the best photo fit full backs and what do they all have in common.

Anderson / Baines / Cole / Pearce / Le Saux / Hird / Bailey /

If Appleton plays Orr it says a great deal about his vision, ambition and philosophy in terms of providing real attacking threat down both flanks.
Pick out the best photo fit full backs and what do they all have in common.
Anderson / Baines / Cole / Pearce / Le Saux / Hird / Bailey /MattNewcastle

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.

Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.

In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.

I totally respect your viewpoint, however, I would rather have Lowe than Orr at Right Back.

I guess this is what this forum is for to express differing views.

As for being an average side I hope that is not the case and we move up the table to a play off place and then who knows what may await us.

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.[/p][/quote]Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.
In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.[/p][/quote]I totally respect your viewpoint, however, I would rather have Lowe than Orr at Right Back.
I guess this is what this forum is for to express differing views.
As for being an average side I hope that is not the case and we move up the table to a play off place and then who knows what may await us.MattNewcastle

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.

Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.

In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.

I would say that the right back position has been a problem area for England for some time and still is.

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]Hi SRVP The facts are that he is an average player at best compared to what we have had even back as far as Hird Bailey etc No Pace Offers what any AVERAGE right back would, is that good enough for us with our supposed ambitions.[/p][/quote]Gary Neville had no pace, it didn't make him a bad right-back. Before you say anything, no, I'm not comparing Orr to Neville. I'm just pointing out that you don't need pacy full-backs when you have decent attacking players in front of you. Irregardless of pace, Orr still manages to get balls into the box and has done since he arrived.
In case it escaped your notice, we are an average side these days. I'd rather have Orr in the side than Henley, he may be quick but, like Martin Olsson on the other flank, he's not a great full-back and would be better utilised on the wing.[/p][/quote]I would say that the right back position has been a problem area for England for some time and still is.MattNewcastle

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.

I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.

What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.

Clearly you know it was, goals coming from his being out of position and exposed as lacking pace even at championship level.

So we have different opinions on this, no big deal, personally I'd be happy if he improved and had some good games for us, just not my idea of a good defender.

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.[/p][/quote]I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.[/p][/quote]What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.[/p][/quote]Clearly you know it was, goals coming from his being out of position and exposed as lacking pace even at championship level.
So we have different opinions on this, no big deal, personally I'd be happy if he improved and had some good games for us, just not my idea of a good defender.greenscreener

I think theres too much reading into this, Bradley Orr is not a terrible footballer, he wouldn't be where he is if he was, this game is far too ruthless. Now we can all agree that his first stint at the club wasn't covered in glory but bottom line is, we are not getting the winger we wanted & i suspect Appleton found this out and has called back a right sided player as cover in case he cannot get anything else lined up. Then give the lad a little bit of confidence coming into the club by maybe saying something nice in a paper about him and maybe he goes from strength to strength if not he moves on in the summer. no panic

I think theres too much reading into this, Bradley Orr is not a terrible footballer, he wouldn't be where he is if he was, this game is far too ruthless. Now we can all agree that his first stint at the club wasn't covered in glory but bottom line is, we are not getting the winger we wanted & i suspect Appleton found this out and has called back a right sided player as cover in case he cannot get anything else lined up. Then give the lad a little bit of confidence coming into the club by maybe saying something nice in a paper about him and maybe he goes from strength to strength if not he moves on in the summer. no panicNeilb13

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.

I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.

What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.

Clearly you know it was, goals coming from his being out of position and exposed as lacking pace even at championship level. So we have different opinions on this, no big deal, personally I'd be happy if he improved and had some good games for us, just not my idea of a good defender.

No, not clearly, it's that there were only two games in which Ipswich conceded more than 3 goals since he arrived. As I said, I've already pointed out to another poster that he wasn't at fault for three goals, only one. Funny though, people say that he's no good going forward yet say he gets caught out of position a lot. It can't be both. My idea of a defender, well full-back, is somebody that defends and only goes bombing forward if needs be. A lot of people on here want their full-backs to play as defenders and wingers all game long. Not every full-back can be Ashley Cole or Daniel Alves, certainly not at this level. Either way, you've not been impressed and that's your entitled opinion. Personally, I think he's had plenty of solid games already this season, including last week's game against Bristol City.

[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]My opinion of Orr as a footballer is that he does not read the game very well. This would be less of an issue if he had the pace to recover from frequently being out of position in open play. Those who rate him often quote his desire to overlap, which can be eye catching, but this does not excuse his poor positional awareness when defending. He makes poor choices regarding when to get tight and when to back off and provides very little cover for the centre halves. I watched him on TV earlier this season, playing for Ipswich in this league and he was directly at fault for at least 3 of the goals they conceded. On what I've seen on the pitch I rate Hanley and Lowe as quicker and more effective defenders.[/p][/quote]I do of course mean Henley, we are talking about right backs.[/p][/quote]What game was that then? Please don't say the drubbing Ipswich received at the hands of Leicester in Orr's first game, I've already had to point out to somebody else before that it simply wasn't the case.[/p][/quote]Clearly you know it was, goals coming from his being out of position and exposed as lacking pace even at championship level. So we have different opinions on this, no big deal, personally I'd be happy if he improved and had some good games for us, just not my idea of a good defender.[/p][/quote]No, not clearly, it's that there were only two games in which Ipswich conceded more than 3 goals since he arrived. As I said, I've already pointed out to another poster that he wasn't at fault for three goals, only one. Funny though, people say that he's no good going forward yet say he gets caught out of position a lot. It can't be both. My idea of a defender, well full-back, is somebody that defends and only goes bombing forward if needs be. A lot of people on here want their full-backs to play as defenders and wingers all game long. Not every full-back can be Ashley Cole or Daniel Alves, certainly not at this level. Either way, you've not been impressed and that's your entitled opinion. Personally, I think he's had plenty of solid games already this season, including last week's game against Bristol City.srvp28

srvp28 wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?

Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss?
Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team.
I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***CheltRover

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***

Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?

[quote][p][bold]CheltRover[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***[/p][/quote]Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?srvp28

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.

Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.

Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!

Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!

DANGEROUS DAVE OUT

RTID

Wouldn't call Rhodes cheap!!!

Is still cheap being paid for on the never never with a fat get out clause for him and the Venkys to get big pay off - £3m up front rest never never!!!!!!!!!!
No other investment what so ever other then freebies/loans
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

[quote][p][bold]intothevalley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough I say. Yes he's looked useless but who didn't amongst the total chaos that was Kean's team ? Trust Appleton's judgment, give him another chance and he might, and I say 'might', just come good. If not he'll have to go.[/p][/quote]Orr is back for one reason - the Venkys wont supply cash for investment in good sound players, only freebies/loans on cheap wages - in other words make do with what youv'e got - Orr may be a good 'joker' in the dressing room but has done nothing to prove he is a 'good player on the field'!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, I've been one of Venkys biggest critics this last couple of years and have noted their reluctance to spend and to do things on the cheap. I just thought give Orr another chance and he might come good. Hope so.[/p][/quote]Yeah Dave, again you sprouting your mouth off! Could you play right back? I bet not! Like people have said already, let him have a chance to prove himself in a more solid team with Appletons rules and pre-match talks etc. You never know, if he has got time to shine (as appleton obviously thinks he does), then give him that chance. If he makes too many mistakes then I'm quite sure Appleton will see that and make his OWN decision to ship him on his way!
Just stop being so negative all the time... And get yourself down to a rovers game so you can actually comment on rovers players and their performances!
DANGEROUS DAVE OUT
RTID[/p][/quote]Wouldn't call Rhodes cheap!!![/p][/quote]Is still cheap being paid for on the never never with a fat get out clause for him and the Venkys to get big pay off - £3m up front rest never never!!!!!!!!!!
No other investment what so ever other then freebies/loans
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEMdangerous dave

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***

Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?

No I wouldn't, clearly that wouldn't be good. The point I was making, in case you missed it, was Orr put himself into that position by courting the media right from the off. I lost count of the "quotes" from him and thought why does he think we are interested? Better to get your head down at your new club, put in some good performances, get the fans onside. It would've been OK if he'd been able to walk the walk, but he couldn't. Instead he made himself look foolish, and got people's backs up.

Maybe he'll learn this time around

[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]CheltRover[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***[/p][/quote]Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?[/p][/quote]No I wouldn't, clearly that wouldn't be good. The point I was making, in case you missed it, was Orr put himself into that position by courting the media right from the off. I lost count of the "quotes" from him and thought why does he think we are interested? Better to get your head down at your new club, put in some good performances, get the fans onside. It would've been OK if he'd been able to walk the walk, but he couldn't. Instead he made himself look foolish, and got people's backs up.
Maybe he'll learn this time aroundCheltRover

srvp28 wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.

What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***

Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?

No I wouldn't, clearly that wouldn't be good. The point I was making, in case you missed it, was Orr put himself into that position by courting the media right from the off. I lost count of the &quot;quotes" from him and thought why does he think we are interested? Better to get your head down at your new club, put in some good performances, get the fans onside. It would've been OK if he'd been able to walk the walk, but he couldn't. Instead he made himself look foolish, and got people's backs up. Maybe he'll learn this time around

Courted the media? Have a word with yourself, when players first arrive at clubs they're inevitably interviewed by the press. If he gets asked a question what's he supposed to say, "no comment"?

[quote][p][bold]CheltRover[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltRover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]srvp28[/bold] wrote: There are far too many people on here who still harbour a grudge against Orr because of what he said in the immediate aftermath of the team getting relegated. Of course what he said wasn't going to endear him to the fans but what else was he supposed to say when asked a leading question about his boss? Anybody saying that he's a poor player at this level needs to get themselves down to Specsavers. Either that or just stop judging players on last season's performances. Orr has been a solid player in the Championship all season, for us and Ipswich. If you don't agree perhaps you should check both teams stats and compare results when Orr has and hasn't been in the team. I know everybody is entitled to their opinion but it seems to be the same people slating Orr who are still slating Dann, despite both playing well this season. It's glaringly obvious that people are still judging both based on last season's performances.[/p][/quote]What was he supposed to do? Do his talking on the pitch maybe? Instead we have an average pro, who likes to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. He can't keep his gob shut, so instead of keeping quiet and sussing out the lay of the land first when he joined, he starts spouting nonsense about kean. He really didn't know which way the wind was blowing, and got it totally wrong. He made his bed right there. Appleton says he's infectious, but he's just a scouse gob sh***[/p][/quote]Would you bad mouth your boss to the media?[/p][/quote]No I wouldn't, clearly that wouldn't be good. The point I was making, in case you missed it, was Orr put himself into that position by courting the media right from the off. I lost count of the "quotes" from him and thought why does he think we are interested? Better to get your head down at your new club, put in some good performances, get the fans onside. It would've been OK if he'd been able to walk the walk, but he couldn't. Instead he made himself look foolish, and got people's backs up. Maybe he'll learn this time around[/p][/quote]Courted the media? Have a word with yourself, when players first arrive at clubs they're inevitably interviewed by the press. If he gets asked a question what's he supposed to say, "no comment"?srvp28