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No. the Muscle route is completely optional, it is not necessary for Rin 2 or Refrain.

And if you're playing with the English patch you can't play Muscle anyway unfortunately, it's completely inaccessible due to technical difficulties with getting it to work.

Gah I just broke my own.... I can't advance no matter what.

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Did she actually die? I mean I thought she was saved in Refrain...with the true ending. Was she? They never really made mention or showed her. I wish they expanded more on her...she would have made an excellent character. Or even a side route bonus for Kengo lol

Also for the final end...i never quite understood this part in Refrain regarding Riki

Spoiler for Riki Refrain Major Spoiler:

When Riki went back in time and somehow was able to get rid of his narcolepsy...what the hell happened there? Was he able to somehow be born again without it? Was this because of of Komari's hair piece? I just never really thought about until now.

Did she actually die? I mean I thought she was saved in Refrain...with the true ending. Was she? They never really made mention or showed her. I wish they expanded more on her...she would have made an excellent character. Or even a side route bonus for Kengo lol

Spoiler for answer:

Since her death occurs before the fatal class trip, I don't believe Riki and Rin would have been able to save her. And Kengo only ever saves her in the dream world; he would save her in the real world if he had another chance, but the dream world only outputs people to the last few minutes before the bus explodes so I don't think he ever gets that second chance. So I believe that her death stays post-Refrain.

Though of course Komari's "wish" may have saved her, but that's a slim possibility. To be honest I think Rin and Riki were way more concerned about their own fates and their friends at the moment when they got that wish, to worry about a girl they didn't know very well. (Was the "wish" actually a wish, or was it just a catalyst object to convince Riki and Rin to realize and use their own newfound power?)

Unless she shows up in the post-Refrain bit but I don't remember her if she did.

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Also for the final end...i never quite understood this part in Refrain regarding Riki

Spoiler for Riki Refrain Major Spoiler:

When Riki went back in time and somehow was able to get rid of his narcolepsy...what the hell happened there? Was he able to somehow be born again without it? Was this because of of Komari's hair piece? I just never really thought about until now.

Spoiler for answer:

Hm, not sure, so I will be just purely speculating here without solid proof.

If I remember correctly in the final runthrough his narcolepsy creeps up on him, but he fights it off. So I would say he still has it, but due to his new strength from going through the dream world so many times he gets the ability push it away when he really, really wants to. I like your theory of being reborn, remembering the CG of naked Riki in a fetal position. But like I said above the dream world only lets people exit at the time right before the explosion so I don't think he was literally reborn. Maybe just figuratively reborn, reborn in a way that he shaped himself to harness his new power.

It's been a long time since I played Refrain so I might be mixing up Riki's attack for a panic attack rather than a narcolepsy attack. If that is so I still stand by the part of my theory about him reshaping himself into a stronger person, since he could calm down and actually save people instead of just stand there freaking out or run away.

Since her death occurs before the fatal class trip, I don't believe Riki and Rin would have been able to save her. And Kengo only ever saves her in the dream world; he would save her in the real world if he had another chance, but the dream world only outputs people to the last few minutes before the bus explodes so I don't think he ever gets that second chance. So I believe that her death stays post-Refrain.

Though of course Komari's "wish" may have saved her, but that's a slim possibility. To be honest I think Rin and Riki were way more concerned about their own fates and their friends at the moment when they got that wish, to worry about a girl they didn't know very well. (Was the "wish" actually a wish, or was it just a catalyst object to convince Riki and Rin to realize and use their own newfound power?)

Unless she shows up in the post-Refrain bit but I don't remember her if she did.

Spoiler for Miyuki/Refrain:

I never even realized that she had died before or even thought of it recently. I guess in my mind she had been saved when Kengo went to her. If she did die before though, was it her jumping off I wonder? Oh god how horrible ;_; They never even go back to really mention her, all we see is Kyousuke having her make that appearance during the game. So if she did really jump and die, I would think everyone would remember that. I wish they explained more on her. Maybe I'm missing something with the language barrier in written form in the art-book or something.

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Originally Posted by Kudryavka

Spoiler for answer:

Hm, not sure, so I will be just purely speculating here without solid proof.

If I remember correctly in the final runthrough his narcolepsy creeps up on him, but he fights it off. So I would say he still has it, but due to his new strength from going through the dream world so many times he gets the ability push it away when he really, really wants to. I like your theory of being reborn, remembering the CG of naked Riki in a fetal position. But like I said above the dream world only lets people exit at the time right before the explosion so I don't think he was literally reborn. Maybe just figuratively reborn, reborn in a way that he shaped himself to harness his new power.

It's been a long time since I played Refrain so I might be mixing up Riki's attack for a panic attack rather than a narcolepsy attack. If that is so I still stand by the part of my theory about him reshaping himself into a stronger person, since he could calm down and actually save people instead of just stand there freaking out or run away.

Spoiler for Riki Refrain:

Ah I see. Some how I had thought when i read it that he had somehow was able to control time or something. I guess I should replay it again to make sure I'm reading what i read. I had just thought that he was able to some how cure his narcolepsy which I wasn't quite getting. I can always wait for the anime to come out and everyone will discuss the outcome in detail too. Thanks for helping clear some of this up

Ah I see. Some how I had thought when i read it that he had somehow was able to control time or something. I guess I should replay it again to make sure I'm reading what i read. I had just thought that he was able to some how cure his narcolepsy which I wasn't quite getting. I can always wait for the anime to come out and everyone will discuss the outcome in detail too. Thanks for helping clear some of this up

No problem! It was fun!

Spoiler for miyuki:

Yes, she did jump off in suicide. But to be brutally honest I doubt the Little Busters really care about her death since they didn't even know her. She would just be a "that girl who jumped off the roof that day, remember?" gossip topic for a few weeks. Only Kengo knew and cared about her, so his grief would be the only reason the Little Busters even remember her.

Spoiler for Riki Refrain:

I would need to relook at it too. I am pretty sure he does not erase his narcolepsy or go back in time but at the end of the day it's all just Key magic so maybe.

Yes, she did jump off in suicide. But to be brutally honest I doubt the Little Busters really care about her death since they didn't even know her. She would just be a "that girl who jumped off the roof that day, remember?" gossip topic for a few weeks. Only Kengo knew and cared about her, so his grief would be the only reason the Little Busters even remember her.

Spoiler for Miyuki:

Geez, I dunno I would have thought someone would have cared somehow for Kengo's sake at least. I guess if they knew. If a girl jumped off the school building at school hours that would be national news here XD. This is like finding out the Easter bunny doesn't exist for me. Such a downer!

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Originally Posted by Kudryavka

Spoiler for Riki Refrain:

I would need to relook at it too. I am pretty sure he does not erase his narcolepsy or go back in time but at the end of the day it's all just Key magic so maybe.

Spoiler for Riki Refrain:

That is true lol KEY magic. Though might be like Clannad which doesn't outright explain parts. But it adds up to make sense.

Geez, I dunno I would have thought someone would have cared somehow for Kengo's sake at least. I guess if they knew. If a girl jumped off the school building at school hours that would be national news here XD. This is like finding out the Easter bunny doesn't exist for me. Such a downer!

Actually now that you say that, that would be in the papers lol.

Ok so they would not completely not be careless, but they probably would not be thinking about her right after what they themselves just went through. Except poor Kengo and anyone who asks him what's on his mind.

I was hoping they would write more connections with her sad expression in Refrain and her ending...or at least some hints that Riki chose her in Refrain if you played Kurugaya true end before replaying refrain.