Look at the orbits of ALL PLANETS except Pluto - they all find the same line as if they were laying on the floor and rolling around the Sun in the center.

Pluto though has this out of whack high eliptical orbit that just is DIFFERENT from the rest of the planets. It obviously was pulled out of NPO (Nornal Planetary Orbit) by gravity of larger planets once and remained so - or has SLOWLY been trying to balance out since.

But it is a strange wanna-bee planet (I'll never think of it otherwise than a REAL PLANET. So what what do they do instead, they start lookingat MOONS and plan on calling them PLANETS - wow.

Just think of the millions of mobiles floating around in school rooms and kid's bedoom that are nothing but lies - for shame on us all to mislead so many generations - for shame.

I for one shall always think of my friend Pluto more that a tiny irbital space chunk and to those brainiacs who have nothing better to do can bite my buttocks!

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Long live Pluto! Probably Jupiter of Saturn messed with Pluto long ago. Maybe when they were both going by at the same time, a once in an eon occurance, their combined gravitational pull turned its orbit elliptical.

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My theory is that Pluto & Charon (plus a few other Plutons) were moons af a planet that exploded leaving the mass of floating debre between Mars and Jupiter known as the astroid belt. They were caught by the gravitaional forces of the outer planets. Pluto's & Charon's orbit is more around the outer planets than around the Sun. I also think their orbit around each other is evidence of having been near moons of a planet and displaced from their original orbits. There primary orbit is around each other, their secondary orbit is around the outer planets, and their third orbit is around the Sun but only as it relates to the orbits of the outer planets.To me this disqualifies it from beging classified as a planet. My defination of a planet is that it must be a rounded object from its own gravitaional forces, orbit the Sun on the same eliptic as the other planets, and have ovaliptic orbit as do the main planets regardless of the distance from the Sun. That definition disqualifies Pluto & Charon but allows Ceres and Xena.

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round=circular; around=nearby, in close proximity, piviting from a given center. An egg can be described a round, oval, or elliptical. I gather eggs off all those shapes daily from my hen house. All planets revolve around the Sun in an elliptical orbit.

I hope that clairifies matters.

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I guess I missed how Pluto's orbit disqualifies it as a planet then. It goes around the sun. It does not circle anything else. Unless we read different science books. It is closer to the sun at times, as are other planets.

How about moons? Do you disqualify them as moons if they are not round? Look at one of Mars' moons. It looks like a rock. What aboout size? It is very small.

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If you examine a layout of the solar system in detail and do a little research you will Find that Almost all astronomers agree that Pluto and Charon orbit each other (their primary orbits) and that their odd elliptical orbit ranges from near the oart cloud to close to the astroid belt ( the secondary orbit) which means from its outer arc to its inner arc the orbit of Pluto and Charon circles the outer planets of Jupitor, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. And that in the process of arbiting those planets they also orbit the Sun (their third orbit). As Sherlock explained to Watson when asked which school he learned something in: "Elementary, my dear Watson, Elementary!" :)

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But here is what gets me. Pluto was discovered in 1930. That is only 76 years ago. They have figured out that Pluto orbits the sun once every 249 years. One place I read was 248 years, so perhaps a typo somewhere. Any way.... man has not see the planet (oh sorry, dwarf planet) make one full orbit. Yet they will gladly come out and say that for twenty of those 249 years, pluto will be closer than neptune. How do they know that this was not a one time occurance? Perhaps something pushed/pulled it out of orbit. Perhaps it will happen again several thousand years in the future some time as it might be some planatary alignment that causes this.

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If you observe the arc of an object in flight you can, from the point it was first observed calculate the trajectory of its flight and find both its beginning and end point ( or eventual end point) even if the end point is some time in the future. A recent example is the failed intercontenental Rocket test by N. Korea where they calculated it was aimed at the Hawaiian Islands.A planets, or any object in space, can have its orbit calculated the same way.

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For those of you who HAVEN'T BEEN to www.beemaster.com (and I know who you are :twisted: ) there is a link to a website which (although technical) is a Solar System Generator program, not only showing you planetary positions, but also man-made objects (observers, explorers and satellites) and you can see where everything is - that is where I got those images showing that Pluto DOES NOT follow a horizontal path (as do) the other planets.

http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/ is the site (notice the name - I say they have clout in the space field) and play with the settings and watch your planets from other planets and moons - see where stuff will be on certain days in the future or past, etc. EVEN CHECK OUT the alignment of planets on December 21, 2012 (the Mayan Calendar date which we all wonder what it means) NOTE - I'll let you look that one up, but I do see an interesting spiraling of the planets on that date UNLIKE most any other date I've entered.

So, go there, play and learn stuff about our solar system - especially the MOONS of other planets - if we have life out there, chances are it is on a moon of Saturn or Jupiter (this from many high ranking space specialists such as Richard Hoagland)

Anyway - Pluto is cute and that 249 (I've also read 248 to 251 year cycle) surely seems long - but remember THAT is in EARTH YEARS, in Pluto years, it is only ONE YEAR!!! to Plutonians, Earth whizzes around the sun like a humming bird around a nectar source :)

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I think the Scientist's goof it all up. The correct definition of a planet is one wherein: The gravitational force of the body is sufficient to produce a spheroid object on a plane within the equator degree of the Sun and that orbits the Sun as its primary orbit.

Such a diffinition rules out Pluto and Charon but includes Cebes and several others.

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