That’s totally ok (and funny !) AH, but… Saturn & Pluto in Cap beg the question, you don’t currently have the rudimentary whathaveyou of a kitchen space, to make your own simple foods for yourself? 🙁

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Friday, April 6, 2018 - 11:08 pm

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That’s totally ok (and funny !) AH, but… Saturn & Pluto in Cap beg the question, you don’t currently have the rudimentary whathaveyou of a kitchen space, to make your own simple foods for yourself? 🙁

Yes, I do cook sometimes!

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 1:18 am

Well, I went to school with Vegans. Not just vegans, raw vegans. See, to them if you are going to be Vegan…you better be raw vegan. You better never cook a thing. It wouldn’t be right.

God bless these folks. They are a skinny bunch. I mean not an ounce of fat on one of them. There were a couple hundred of us.

I am about as big as a minute and a half and I looked like a moose next to these folks. A lot of dark circles under their eyes…. sunken in….dark circles. This is not a healthy look to me. You know, when people are really thin and they look sullen and gray?

This seemed to be a passive bunch. Very love one another and peace and joy and light and love….until day three.

One walks up and wants to know why I am sitting in the front every day. I said….well there is no assigned seating and I got here and it was empty. She demanded to know what time I got there. (SHE WAS LATE) I told her and she said ….well that is ridiculous. haha….she stomped off. (I thought….your freaking starving and we both know it)

Then the raw vegan next to me began to talk about some intimate stuff that had me looking like a deer in headlights…. the story began….last night I dreamed…. oh boy. I don’t know you like that yet lady…..please…. I was thinking she should be dreaming about a chicken leg and some mashed potatoes with gravy

By day four I still haven’t figured out what everyone’s game was. But I did notice this…. they were selling what was supposed to be ‘fresh squeezed juice’ from a fruit farm one of them owned and others worked at…. OF COURSE you know when I went to buy some I walked up when they were pouring grocery store juice from plastic containers ….. like the no name Walmart juice…..into these big glass jars so it would look like it was fresh squeezed…. no one else saw it. No damn way was I paying 6 dollars for a glass of cheap imitation sugar juice…. (why do I always have to see this kind of thing) And, I didn’t tell….but I side-eyed the raw vegans from that point on….

I learned a lot about food combination, anatomy and the chemistry of the human body….I also learned more than I wanted to know about human nature, followers, people in a cult like trance, bullshit artists, and that the vegans DO fight. haha… I saw it first hand but only like an undertone… in a passive aggressive way. It was a sight to behold. I love to people watch. To just sit back and let folks do their act.

If my southern grandma had been there she would have been frying up 10 lbs of bacon and a batch of butter biscuits with gravy trying to feed them all…I can hear her now…. Y’all look like death warmed over….get over here and getcha somethin’ to eat now …ya hear?

My bullshit meter was at code red level 10!! Now I have to take a giant test to be certified….in what exactly, I don’t know HAHA …. I don’t know what I will do with it once I get the certificate. Probably hang it over my groom table and continue to do what I am doing

On my way home I ate all the wrong food. I am glad they didn’t see me do it… it would have been pitch forks….but I swear the guy that sat to my right smelled of fried food…. I swear it to be true!!!!!!!!!!

The most important thing that happened imo was…. I got in a car, and I drove 1200 miles by myself to school. I went to school with 200 people and did great. Then I drove to a beach and stayed a few days….and it was gorgeous. Turned around and drove home 1200 miles alone….STRAIGHT THOUGH.

Now, this may mean nothing to most people, but over the last two/three years I was so sick….sicker than I have ever been in my life. I really thought I would not recover. But, I did. And, not only that….I forced myself to get back in the game. I surprised myself. Watching Vegans fight was just the icing hahahaha

ETA: Shit…I forgot this….today I ate some chicken.

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I follow a lot of doctors on Twitter who are really into keto/carnivore/back to traditional eating, and they all focus on basically two things: the shift away from meat/fat and towards sugar/plant foods (carbs) in the last 60 years and how dietary guidelines have been so influenced by food industry interests. People are more obese and sick today than ever before with these “guidelines” in place. And as they say, veganism has never existed anywhere in history, it’s a modern phenomenon that requires supplementation and access to out of season foods as well as specialty products (protein alternatives) to prop it up. It leads to deficiencies and depression- I know a girl in her early 20s who has made it her focus and is building her “brand” on veganism and cooking- well guess what else she posts about? Her “journey” and “battles” with depression, digestive issues and lack of mental clarity. Former vegans will talk/joke about all this, how at this point a vegan will begin to think they are not vegan *enough* so will turn to raw veganism and wonder how it’s all unraveling. And yet, people used to be common sense about food, think of our grandparents or parents- solid sustenance for people who needed to do a lot more physical activity than we do now.

Which army is going to win- vegans or Vikings? Lol.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:24 am

Soup! I am so GLAD you are back & posting; I read, relate, & LEARN so much from your comments.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:41 am

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I follow a lot of doctors on Twitter who are really into keto/carnivore/back to traditional eating, and they all focus on basically two things: the shift away from meat/fat and towards sugar/plant foods (carbs) in the last 60 years and how dietary guidelines have been so influenced by food industry interests. People are more obese and sick today than ever before with these “guidelines” in place. And as they say, veganism has never existed anywhere in history, it’s a modern phenomenon that requires supplementation and access to out of season foods as well as specialty products (protein alternatives) to prop it up. It leads to deficiencies and depression- I know a girl in her early 20s who has made it her focus and is building her “brand” on veganism and cooking- well guess what else she posts about? Her “journey” and “battles” with depression, digestive issues and lack of mental clarity. Former vegans will talk/joke about all this, how at this point a vegan will begin to think they are not vegan *enough* so will turn to raw veganism and wonder how it’s all unraveling. And yet, people used to be common sense about food, think of our grandparents or parents- solid sustenance for people who needed to do a lot more physical activity than we do now.

Which army is going to win- vegans or Vikings? Lol.

Kumquat….you are so right! people are more obese and sick than ever before. Its very sad. I can tell you for certain I sat in a room with people that were thin, but they didnt look well. When I mentioned it I was told….oh, I am in detox. Huh? The human body naturally detoxes itself every single minute it is alive (liver kidneys) ….so, I just observed. What I didnt see….anyone laughing out loud, no one was jolly… no one was really all that happy looking.

If I am healthy I am just full of $#@$% every day. Finding humor in everything possible because there is nothing better than laughter!

At any rate I tested this on myself.

After my surgery I ate in a way that I went straight into ketosis. I lost 51 lbs… and fast. I didnt have that much weight to lose so I had to stop it. I didnt do it on purpose….but I was having eggs and bone broth and things like that. It just happened. When I stopped that I went the other direction. I blew up. I asked them….why on earth am I getting like this from fruit and veggies … leaning toward fruit if what you say is true. The answer was….you must have underlying issues and your body is detoxing…. oh for petes sake!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I loved going ….just to prove I can still move my body and my brain…. I question a lot of it. Of course fruit and veggies are so good for us….but I am not a bug or a chimp….I am a human and this isnt working for me and my health. It just makes me gain weight which is NOT healthy.

I swear…..I am the only person in that room that didnt have dark circles under my eyes. Looked B12 (or B vitamin) deficient to me.

At any rate most of them were nice to me….and it was a great experience for reasons other than veganism. God bless those angry vegans haha I am in chapter 3 of this game….I got no time for dark circles and experments with my health…but it was fun. The holistic doc was really great… loved him. I know my southern grandma was watching and scratching her head….saying ‘what in the hell are we doing now’ haha

BTW….she lived to almost 90!

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Soup! I am so GLAD you are back & posting; I read, relate, & LEARN so much from your comments.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 9:36 am

My sister gave me a book/cookbook called Nourishing Traditions several years ago that resonated with me. Its based on indigenous diets with the idea that our bodies have evolved to live on certain diets and that many of those things are being replaced by processed foods. One of the main things that is missing is iron and enzymes from organ meats. I mean, the Inuit rarely ate vegetables and lived in a very gnarly climate.

But, i dont know. Thats just one opinion. And there are so many options. And Im all for eating as purely as possible but there seems to be an obsession right now, thats bordering on disorder.

I do see the ethical viewpoint of veganism though, and understand the view that it murder. And if you view it as murder, then yes, it will be upsetting to see people eat flesh of a murdered being. I try to see it from their pov.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 9:47 am

In the yogic system, they say the best fuel for your body is fruits and veggies. Veggies have 70% water and fruits about 80-90%…. which is very close to how the human body is designed.

I think it is important to listen to your body and experiment to see what works for you.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 9:52 am

I tried veganism for a few months until my mom slapped some sense back into me. Frankly, I didn’t feel much better or healthier, and I was hungry a lot, also more irritable. I’m all for sustainable and humane farming and eating organic, but I am a huge skeptic when it comes to veganism. Raw veganism is even worse.. some raw vegetables are harsh for the system to break down and digest, unless maybe you are juicing them, and even then, some vegetables release more nutrients after they are cooked and some absolutely need to be cooked or they are toxic (like potatoes) and I’ve seen videos of raw vegans eating raw potatoes and making meals with them… Most people probably don’t get enough real vegetables in their diet so of course it’s good to increase it but you don’t need to become a vegan for that.

If animal products are linked to disease these days it’s because they’re been pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, are fed GMO grains and raised in terrible conditions – not because they are bad in of itself. Alternatives to that exist, it costs more, but it exists. Pretty sure ”vegan cheese” made of cashews and god knows what didn’t exist prior to a few years ago and humanity still somehow managed to survive all these years without it. A lot of vegan products are also full of additives and soy products. Try finding almond milk that doesn’t have a bunch of ”gums” or carrageenan and other additives in it. Is that better than organic grass-fed milk or yogurt? I don’t think so.

Maybe it works for some people but it didn’t work for me. The best way I have found to lose weight and get in better health overall is to limit sugar.

Be a vegan, be a vegetarian, be whatever you want but protesting in front of a privately-owned restaurant that serves game…dafuq do you think is gonna happen. Hell, I’d do the same thing LOL

My husband hunts and we eat the venison and turkey. He rarely shoots does unless they are old (you can tell by the sway in their backs). Going to make some skewers on the grill tomorrow.

But I love all kind of fruits and vegetables as well. Drives my husband nuts when I make Brussels sprouts, bok choy, squash, spinach…LOL He doesn’t have to eat if he doesn’t want to. I make sure he has his favorite, limited selection, of vegetables. Haha

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 12:42 pm

Mom ate a raw vegan diet for awhile. Got a Vitamax and everything. (I think she watched the Food, Inc. documentary and that got her started.

At first she felt much better. Her senses sharpened, and colours were more vivid. Then after awhile, she noticed herself feeling……weaker. Once she added a little meat to her diet, she recovered.

Hmm.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 1:30 pm

It is amazing what you learn about yourself when you consciously eat and choose the foods you eat (or don’t eat). You notice how you feel and what happens to your body or digestion when you eat certain things. I know I have. I lift weights and I know that in the past if I haven’t eaten enough (work schedule or having been sick) I don’t feel as strong. So I know I have to eat enough of all the good stuff: proteins and fruits and vegetables and some carbs.

It’s good to indulge a little from time to time, though!

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 8:04 pm

I feel hungry if I don’t eat meat or fish at one meal a day. I couldn’t survive on vegetables and fruits alone. Beans aren’t a good enough substitute, IMO. Nuts are not enough.