Top Ten finish and widespread calls from fans for Sam Allardyce to go. Decent league position for squad they have. Don't subscibe to the view that a team, be that Everton, West Ham, Man U etc, have to play a certain way. It's a results based industry and Allardyce's results were decent.

seriously? What results were decent? The performances definitely weren't. Big sam served up some of the biggest dross ever witnessed at goodison. 3 games this season at home we didnt have one shot on target. His totally negative approach was a real turn off with the fans and he done nothing to try to win over the fans who didnt want him in the 1st place.Everton fans crave success and want to be challenging the top 6 and competing for cups and playing in europe. Big sam isnt and never will be the man for that.

exactlyEverton have more league titles than City or Spurs put togetherthey've been in the top tier longer than any other clubthe club deserves better than an embarrassment like BFS

A bit dewey eyed alright, but due to mismanagment for decades Everton have fallen off the title chasing radar.

IMO Bill Kenwright steadied a sinking ship but doesn't have the resources to compete. This Morshiri lad is talking the talk but we'll see how far he digs into his own pockets this summer as any money spunked last summer was more or less the Lukaka cash sucked out of Utd.

But Big Sam is certainly not the answer.

I can understand parking the bus when Man City are in town, but he parked it with West Brom lining out against you then there's an issue. That's not tactical nous, that's being set in your ways and unbearably hard to watch.He got lucky with injuries clearing up for Coleman and Baines and that made a difference, nothing training ground related by the looks of it.

Have Everton really been mismanaged though (financially I mean) or are they just another victim of not having pockets as deep as the Sheiks, Oligarchs and Rick Yanks? I know how hard Liverpool find it to compete on the wages front, and apart from the odd big deal, on the transfer front. And, no offence intended, Liverpool are a bigger name worldwide than Everton.

I always thought Everton (post 80s) were a well run club, who should be competing for Cups, but didn't have the financial clout to be chasing leagues any more. They should be chasing Europa League at least every year, and Champions League every now and then.

Is there bad management of the club behind the scenes? Aren't they getting a new ground in Liverpool Docks?

Have Everton really been mismanaged though (financially I mean) or are they just another victim of not having pockets as deep as the Sheiks, Oligarchs and Rick Yanks? I know how hard Liverpool find it to compete on the wages front, and apart from the odd big deal, on the transfer front. And, no offence intended, Liverpool are a bigger name worldwide than Everton.

I always thought Everton (post 80s) were a well run club, who should be competing for Cups, but didn't have the financial clout to be chasing leagues any more. They should be chasing Europa League at least every year, and Champions League every now and then.

Is there bad management of the club behind the scenes? Aren't they getting a new ground in Liverpool Docks?

Mismanagement mostly in and around the 90's IMO.

Two things happened.

John Moore's death and his poor health to the lead up to it meant that there was no one able to provide money for transfers and then the snake oil salesman Peter Johnson was all bluster and nothing behind it. Think of the Romario bullshit that he tried to pull.

The ban on English clubs in Europe and the impact it had on Everton cannot be understated. They were every bit as good as Liverpool at that time but being denied that shop window meant that they didn't develop that tradition in Europe like they should have and that takes its toll even today. Think how many Scandinavians support Liverpool.

The new stadium is needed badly and hopefully it will happen as this is the third or fourth go at it.

only thing that would beat this would be if Pards was somehow to get in

in all seriousness, Moyes and id say even more Sam, will have had some earner out of 6mths plus work, is Sam rumoured to be getting 6mill ie rest of contract paid or something...mind boggling

£9m in total. He has created the BFS brand. He will never get the plumb job because he had it and messed up with the England job but he just has to wait for a club to be in diffs around October/November and he can be parachuted in till the end of the summer to be the Premier League Red Adair....fire fighter extraordinaire!! Moyes is laughing all the way too!!

only thing that would beat this would be if Pards was somehow to get in

in all seriousness, Moyes and id say even more Sam, will have had some earner out of 6mths plus work, is Sam rumoured to be getting 6mill ie rest of contract paid or something...mind boggling

£9m in total. He has created the BFS brand. He will never get the plumb job because he had it and messed up with the England job but he just has to wait for a club to be in diffs around October/November and he can be parachuted in till the end of the summer to be the Premier League Red Adair....fire fighter extraordinaire!! Moyes is laughing all the way too!!

Both teams were relegation fodder earlier in the season and Moyes and Sam kept them up even though the football was hard to watch.

Bet Stoke, West Brom and Swansea would be more than happy to swap places regardless of the style of football

You're right, but I don't think either club need a reality check. The owners of both clubs would most likely agree with you. But that was then and this is now. Both clubs have bigger notions and neither manager fits their vision of the future.