and when power is consolidated and abused, after a degree it must and will be challenged by those who are oppressed by it.

I hope I don't have to live to see the same here. because often power is challenged many times unsuccessfully before enough martyrs exist to provide the will to finish the job. and that usually equates to a large amount of civilian death

and when power is consolidated and abused, after a degree it must and will be challenged by those who are oppressed by it.

I hope I don't have to live to see the same here. because often power is challenged many times unsuccessfully before enough martyrs exist to provide the will to finish the job. and that usually equates to a large amount of civilian death

They want freedom and they know that allying with Russia is about as far from freedom as they're going to get. Putin wants to rule with an iron fist over all of the former Soviet Union and the only thing stopping him from using troops to achieve his goals is the chance that the world would step in to stop him.

farking media. not sure why the Western media has started downplaying this... I was reading more coverage and support prior to the riots breaking out. you'd think the Western gov'ts would've cranked up their condemnations of Yanukovich's regime after they started shooting protestors, but I guess not. my thoughts are either:

1.) given the income disparity and shiatty economic conditions pretty much everywhere in the world right now, NO government wants its people seeing images of civil unrest, regardless of whether they are friendly to Ukraine/Russia or not..

or

2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia. Who knows what that could be,

Came here to say that. Currently playing Metro which has this exact look and feel. The game on the other hand is a bit disappointing as it is kind of linear and not all that interesting. But, I got it as a gift on Steam so what the heck.

lazymojo:2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia. Who knows what that could be,

So what you are saying that Obama did a deal with Putin, and then told Fox News to stop showing much about the Kiev riots and they said "Yes, Mr President, anything you say, Mr President"?

At what point do the police bow to the will of the people? After all, they are technically civilians themselves. They are now simply making themselves obsolete and potential fugitives when the next government comes into power. It seems that the rule of law has broken down and civil war has erupted. What role do the police now have, who do they serve?

lazymojo:2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia. Who knows what that could be,

xria:lazymojo: 2.) after some early diplomatic support for the protests, the western governments all cut deals with Ukraine (read that to mean Vladimir Putin & Russia) to keep out of it... in exchange for something else from Russia. Who knows what that could be,

So what you are saying that Obama did a deal with Putin, and then told Fox News to stop showing much about the Kiev riots and they said "Yes, Mr President, anything you say, Mr President"?

What if I were to tell you that both Obama and the Whore Media have the same employer and it has nuttin to do with your puny vote thingie?

rev. dave:It looks like it is leading in the direction of a civil war. But the opposition do not have a majority, so it could be a totalitarian crackdown.

Voting is what people do as a less damaging and more efficient alternative to replacing the leadership through armed rebellion and civil war. The option for the side that loses the vote to ignore it and wage the civil war anyhow is still there, at all times, because it only takes one side to start a war. However, if the rebels can't muster the poll numbers to win the vote, they almost certainly don't have the military power to win any civil war they start. They can make their name and cause synonymous with senseless vandalism and murderously childish temper tantrums, but that's all they will really accomplish.

/all according to Putin's plan//unless the rebels actually DO get the military power needed to overthrow the government from somewhere unexpected...

Do you hear the people sing?Singing a song of angry men?It is the music of a peopleWho will not be slaves again!When the beating of your heartEchoes the beating of the drumsThere is a life about to startWhen tomorrow comes!