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and of course John, the government did not put a constant flow of roadblocks in the way of operating a successful corporation. The left cannot shake their belief that companies are like welfare agencies that must bend to the will of the government and unions.

Boehner doesn’t have a monopoly on this: President Obama just yesterday met with Sam Palmisano…the CEO who is responsible for widespread firings at IBM and hiring in India and elsewhere abroad. And didn’t Obama also appoint GE’s Jeff Immelt to lead a jobs panel? This after GE offshored many jobs and paid nothing in Federal income tax?

Really Mr. D, you should give equal time to the reasons why US corporations are moving overseas… and I agree Ann we should revolt. BO has lost more jobs in his 20 months than hehas created. Perhaps Mr D could draw something on how Mrs BO has taken tax payer funded vacations abroad during a time of critically high unemployment, or perhaps a thee of BO playing golf while washington burned…or maybe how BO has become the flip flopper in chief, Obama has run disastrous annual deficits of around $1.5 trillion while insisting for months on a “clean” debt-ceiling increase, i.e., with no budget cuts at all. Yet suddenly he now rises to champion major long-term debt reduction, scorning any suggestions of a short-term debt-limit deal as can-kicking

I guess I’m confused. This looks like Sam Palmisano, IBM’s CEO (and recent lunch buddy of the President), the number one outsourcer of jobs in the US, or maybe its Jeff Immelt (the President’s chief adviser on job creation), GE’s CEO who is also one of the biggest outsourcers of jobs. Hard to tell…

The CEOs, Obamas and most politicians in the US are out of touch with the rest of us. Many were born with silver spoons and have never had a tough day in their lives, at least financially.

Virtually everyone who is unemployed is undergoing some form of hardship, especially if they live in rural areas and must move to find work. To add insult to injury, the unemployed must contend with job postings specifying that the unemployed need not apply.

There really should be a tax credit to employers that hire (and keep) the unemployed…subsidized by penalties for companies that let Americans go while at the same time hiring people overseas for the same type of work.

If Boehner, McConnell, et al want to not raise taxes on the so-called “job creators”, they should put their money where their mouths are. Directly link taxes to the creation of jobs in America. If you create jobs here, your taxes don’t go up. If you don’t, then they do. Then when they spout their tired rhetoric about “job creators”, they can actually refer to people who create jobs, and stop using it as a stealth term than just means rich people.

I’m one of the unemployed. One thing that really gets me is that the connection between unemployment and over population is never discussed. I guess it’s too controversial for us delicate US citizens. Less humans equals more for each. Stop popping out humans! Reality, what a concept.

GE selkirk-no more,GE waterford-no more,GE apparatus shop -no more,GE jobs in schenectady and the rest of the US since Immelt took hold about 80,000 less,Immelt comes to Schenectady boasting how big of an employer they are around here(with Obama at his side)standing ovation.

Haven’t Boehner, McConnell, et al indicated they are in favor of a major overhaul of the current tax system that would make serious (well thought out) changes to the tax codes to eliminate some of the loop holes and other gimmicks that have been created to benefit special interests AFTER we deal with this debt extension matter?

If you want to speak of stealth (misinformation) terms and pure fear mongering how about the President’s remark that he can’t guarantee Social security checks will go out 8/3/11. Barring a physical disaster at the site the checks are printed and mailed, or a specific executive order from Mr. Obama preventing those checks from going out, no matter what happens, or doesn’t happen 8/3 those checks willgo out fine, AND THE PRESIDENT KNOWS THAT FULL WELL.

“Haven’t Boehner, McConnell, et al indicated they are in favor of a major overhaul of the current tax system…”

Talk is cheap. Where’s the legislation to match the rhetoric? They ran on a platform of creating jobs. So far, the frivolous use of the word “job creators” is the sum total of their actions. Excuse me if we’re not all so stupid as to fall for that.

“If you want to speak of stealth (misinformation) terms and pure fear mongering…”

No, I’m not speaking of that, not in the diversionary way you do in the rest of that paragraph. The topic is about the use of the term “job creators”, and my #7 was a common sense comment directed right at those who use, and abuse, the term to refer to those who are NOT CREATING JOBS. Your fondness for right wing talking points to mask the absence of a relevant response is old and tired. Please do us the favor of staying on topic or staying silent.

So Phil, are you suggesting that tax rates for “job creators” should NOT be linked to them actually creating jobs in this country?

#7 was pure common sense. There was nothing ideological about it. The reference to two leading Republicans is because THEY are the ones who are using the term. Nothing in #7 suggests that left-leaning corporations and CEOs, what few there are, should be exempt, no matter how much they may coddle up to the President. That’s YOUR interpretation based on your own “slavish devotion” to an ideology, and your comment in #15 is as ridiculous as it is typical.

When I first heard about “Chip Fab in Malta, NY” I said to myself, there goes millions of dollars in tax breaks, tax subsidies, and plain old cash to buy jobs instead of creat jobs. I guess jobs have been created. I wonder how much each job cost us. I recently heard an analyst on MSNBC say each job created by the stimulus bills cost over one million dollers each.

Here is a quote from Global Foundries:

“At Globalfoundries, we continue to invest aggressively in driving sustained growth on advanced technologies. The build-out of our 300mm manufacturing campuses in New York and Dresden is supporting growing customer demand for advanced technologies, while creating hundreds of jobs and providing a significant boost to the economies in the surrounding regions. By completing these massive construction projects on schedule and on budget, we are continuing to deliver on our commitment to being the only truly global foundry,” said Ajit Manocha, chief executive officer of Globalfoundries.

First off they didn’t run on job creation,they ran on the premise that cutting spending and taxes leads to job creation,if you can’t get the start you need,then you can’t supply the means.As Marco rubio says we need more tax payers not more taxes.Its easy to bad mouth the rich because they only represent a minimal faction of voters(and really won’t put a dent in paying down the debt);When does 200-250 yr equal millionare and billionare status?Lets also not say the middle class is gone ,the standard at which people are considered middle class has just been raised too high.

I’m afraid, ReepDaggle, there are still a few people who didn’t get the memo declaring everything you opine comes straight from the lips of God. What you see as, “pure common sense” may not appear as such so clearly to those who sense a particular political leaning.

We most certainly do need our government to focus on creating a more job friendly atmosphere, which would likely include some rewarding incentives for actual job creation and some new consequences for sending work opportunities off shore.

I know you won’t agree, but I’m afraid our President is in way over his head, which is not all that rare because it’s a job nobody can be adequately prepared for. However, the thing smart people do when they recognize theym are in over their head, they accept that their ideas and view point tirned out not to be as wonderful as expected.

The problem is how long does it take a President to understand and accept his ideas are NOT working, then to choose a different path and accept the advice that opponents have been very willing to share.

Perhaps if we were to stop the “Class warfare” nonsense, that may have worked in some Chicago precints, drop all this tax the evil rich silliness, pull back the regulations jackals and most of all HALT the looming uncertainty of ObamaCare, investors would be motivated to invest and businesses could stop looking over their shoulders for the next round of classicly unnecessary regulations that have been scareing the daylights out of both investors and businessmen.

I doubt you will consider, much less understand, insulting and ridiculing thpse who hold a different perspective, may not be thebest way to solicit their assistance, but I realize long held habits are toughest to break.

“I’m afraid, ReepDaggle, there are still a few people who didn’t get the memo declaring everything you opine comes straight from the lips of God.”

Oh Albert, please put a sock in it. No one but you has ever suggested anything so absurd, so as usual, the only thing you’re ridiculing is your own fervid imagination. Grow up.

“What you see as, “pure common sense” may not appear as such so clearly to those who sense a particular political leaning.”

Then take off your GD blinders. Expecting those who keep using the term “job creator” to refer to those who actually do create jobs IS common sense. Of course, given the parties involved, yourself included, “wishful thinking” is probably more appropriate. My only error here is in expecting them to actually care whether their newly coined term actually means what the words so directly imply. You obviously don’t.

“Perhaps if we were to stop the “Class warfare” nonsense…”

As soon as the assault on the middle class ends, we’ll get right on that. Until then, the term is all too applicable. It’s ironic, but not even a little surprising, that you take exception to that term, as appropriate as it is, but defend the term “job creator” being used to refer to people who aren’t creating jobs. That’s YOU playing party politics, Albert. Not me.

“I doubt you will consider, much less understand, insulting and ridiculing thpse who hold a different perspective, may not be the best way to solicit their assistance, but I realize long held habits are toughest to break.”

And as always, you try to close with a zinger, desperately hoping no one will notice that YOU are one of the guiltiest parties on these blogs of engaging in the very tactics that you lamely try to hang on others. Or was that opening sentence supposed to be a compliment? The one thing of which I CAN be certain is that with every utterance like that last one, the person who comes out most looking like a fool is yourself.

mmcdonald,
For starters, thank you for responding without being insulting. Perhaps Albert will get a clue as to how that’s done.

“First off they didn’t run on job creation,they ran on the premise that cutting spending and taxes leads to job creation, if you can’t get the start you need,then you can’t supply the means.”

They had a big start during the Bush administration. Massive tax breaks, and for what? Where were the jobs? Running on that platform would be far more meaningful if they weren’t coming off eight years of proof that given the economic incentive to create jobs, the “job creators” failed to deliver. They ran on it hoping people would forget, and obviously quite a few did. Two years later, the Bush tax cuts are still in place. So where are the jobs?

“As Marco rubio says we need more tax payers not more taxes.”

All the more reason to finally expect the non-job creating “job creators” to pony up and contribute to reversing the economic mess that they are in part responsible for creating.

“Lets also not say the middle class is gone”

No one in this conversation has said that, and the middle class ISN’T gone…….yet. But it is disappearing, thanks in part to those who took the tax breaks to create jobs, then failed to deliver. It is NOT asking too much to expect that they finally put up or pay up. It’s long past time that their cheap ride at the middle class’s expense be ground to a halt.

Excuse me Reepdaggle, but exactly whose is responsible for, “Well, I guess shovel-ready wasn’t as shovel-ready as we thought?” Do you think someone, who had a clue about what he was doing, would have done a little checking, a little verification, gained a few statistics to know exaclt how many jobs were going to be created, by when, for each project BEFORE HANDING OUT BUSHELS OF CASH.

The key to creating more jobs is to accept government is NOT the proper source, that is the private sector and domestic job creation has to be the policy and intent of the Executive Branch. That will involve more, but different, incentives for businesses to free up some of their resources, different tax advantages as well as shuting down a lot of the current tax advantages that work against domestic job creation. It will require less, rather then increased, regulations (for regulation sake) and government meddling into business activities where their input is overzealous and counterproductive. We coiuld begin with eliminating ONLY those regulations that accomplish nothing of value, and do nothing to protect anyone from anything. That alone will take a while.

My first sentence above was neither a compliment or a “zinger”, it was simply recognition of what consistently seems like a fact. When people can see clearly where you are coming from, they don’t need to be told to pay attention, or take heed.

Reep may actually have a point but it is obscured with the progressive agenda. The problem is as Albert J laid out. Get the government out of the business of creating jobs. Get government back to doing what it is supposed to do, not the nanny state womb to tomb caretaker it has become. American Businesses are sitting on a horde of cash, but they also face an unprecedented amount of regulations fees and that disaster PPACA. Get the obstacles out of the way, put the taxation pen on hold for 2 years and probably businesses will reinvest their cash and unemployment will be resolved. Once unemployment goes back below Pre-Obama levels tax revenues will increase. CLearly the single greatest impediment to recovery is the fearless and feckless BO.

mark,
Maybe, maybe not. My common sense post was obviously stated in the most simplistic fashion possible, in direct response to those who have taken up the equally simplistic mantra of “no tax increases, period”, without regard to circumstances, and now throwing in the “job creators” nonsense as a sympathetic, but totally fallacious, sound byte. An actual tax plan would have to be far more complex and detailed than I have offered.

If yours was meant as a “gotcha” post, to back me into a yes/no corner, it failed. Good try though. At least it was on topic.