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This post is repetition after IC Moderator deleted in vain. What got him is the exposure of his Sheikh. He want to deprive muslim readers know what this pseudo-Sheikh belief. I already got warning from him and I’m waiting my account to be terminated while non Muslims enjoy liberal rights. Read carefully to this man claims and see why Muslim world don’t need converts like this rapper player!!!

Abu Mujahid

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Brief Clarification about Nuh Ha Mim Keller

“Whoever has no sheikh, has the devil as his Sheikh.” - Nuh Keller [‘Tareeqa Notes’ Pg. 2 ]

Nuh Ha Mim Keller, an American Sufi Sheikh, became Muslim in 1977 and moved to Jordan where he currently resides.Keller claims to be a scholar of Islamic Fiqh.However, some troubling points can be found in his published works.We have listed and commentated some of his many mistaken statements and ideas, in order to expose his faults, lest the people follow the wrong ideas into misguidance and self-ruin

1.Following the Sheikh to death, and Setting aside one’s intellect !

a. Keller says: “The conduct of the disciple towards the sheikh… consists of five things: following what the sheikh says, even when something else seems better; avoiding what he forbids, even if it means ones death; upholding the sheikhs honor be he present or absent, dead or alive; fulfilling the sheikhs rights to the degree possible, without remissness.”

A.Abd Al-Wahab Shaarani is praised by Keller as a “ Sha’afi scholar and prolific author in works in Sufism, sacred law and tenants of faith…”(http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#1.#1. - Reference 1 pg 1023)

Comment:

However here are two examples of what Ash-Shaarani narrated in his writings:

i) He writes: “a man would not attain the levels of the siddiqeen, until he leaves his wife as if she was a widow, his kids as if they were orphans, and takes refuge in dogs pens.”(in At-Tassawuf, Wal Masdar Pg 58)

ii) Ash-Shaarani also praised a celebrated sufi, who “cut of his own private part in the beginning of his ‘Jathbah’ a mystic Sufi state.” (in Al-Akhlaaq Al-Matbuliyyah Vol. 3 Pg. 179)

The consolation (comfort) of Pharaoh was with the belief Allah gave him when he was drowning. So Allah took him pure and purified. There was no impurity in him since He took him in his belief before he had acquired any wrong actions. Islam effaces what was before it. He (Allah) made him (Pharaoh) a sign of His concern so that none might despair of the mercy of Allah, for "no one despairs of solace from Allah except for the unbelievers." (12:87) If Pharaoh had been of those who despair, he would not have embarked on belief (Imaan). Musa, peace be upon him, was, as the wife of Pharaoh said, "a source of delight for me and for you. Do not kill him. It may well be that he will be of use to us." That is what happened. Allah gave them use of Musa, although they were not aware that he was a prophet who would destroy the kingdom of Pharaoh and his family. (The Seal of the Wisdom of Sublimity in the Word of Musa)

Comment:

(1) Contrary to Ibn Arabi’s statement the Quran clearly states that the Pharaoh died as a kaafir! See for example verse: “And indeed we went Musa with our Ayat and a manifest authority. To Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they followed the command of Pharaoh, and the command of Pharaoh was no right guide. He will go ahead of his people on the day of resurrection, and will lead them into the fire…” (Surah Hud 11:96-98)

(2) Regardless of Ibn Arabi’s statement, the simple fact is that Keller is quoting a man who was declared a kaafir by countless well-reputed Muslim scholars. Below are some such statements:

i) Imam ibn Katheer in his book of Islamic history- Al-bidaya Wal Nihaya comments on ibn Arabi “He has a book named Beads of Wisdom in which there are many things that are apparently clear kufr.”

ii) Imam adh-Dhahabi said (in Siyar ‘Alam an-Nubala) that “if ibn Arabi’s book (Beads of wisdom) does not contain clear Kufr, then there is no Kufr in the world!

iii) Imam ‘Izz ibn abdul Salam said about Ibn Arabi: “(he is) an evil liar sheik who claims that this world is eternal (i.e. was not created by Allah) and embraces promiscuity.”

iv) Also, a prominent Hanafi Scholar, Imam Bukhari Al-Hanafi, declared that: “The one who does not consider Ibn Arabi a kaafir, then he himself is a kaafir !

In describing the hadra (public Dhikr), Keller said: “Singers near the sheikh, in solo or chorus, deliver mystical odes to the rhythm of the group; high spiritual poetry from masters like Ibn al-Farid...”

Comment:

Ibn al-Farid was a Sufi poet who died in 632 H. Imam adh-Dhahabi in his biographical works – Siyar ‘Alam an-Nubala- said about Ibn al-Farid: that he filled his poetry with Ittihad[http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#_ftn1#_ftn1 - 1]. “If his poetry is not clear Ittihad (kufr), then there is no kufr or misguidance in this world. O’ Allah inspire us with guidance, piety, and protect us from desires. O’ Scholars of Islam don’t you get angry (by this) for the sake of Allah? There is no power except Allah.” It is strange that Nuh Keller describes this same poetry as “high spiritual poetry.”

3.Saying that people can see Prophet Muhammad (saw) while Awake !

-Keller states that certain Dua’s allow a person to see the Prophet (saw) while awake!

About the Dua ‘al-Yaqutiyya’ Nuh says: “whoever regularly recites it three times, morning and evening, shall frequently see the Prophet, both awake and asleep, in the sensory and the spiritual.” (http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#2.#2. - Reference 2.Pg. 88-89)

Comment: This claim clearly contradicts the Quran and Sunnah which both confirm the death of the Prophet saw.

4.Reporting many fabricated supplications in his writings,

- Here are some examples of his innovated (man-made) supplications:

i) In the supplication ‘hizb Al-Nur’ he says: “I ask You by the reverence due to teacher, by the sanctity of the Guiding Prophet, by the sacredness of the Seventy eight,…” (http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#2.#2. - Reference 2. Pg. 39)

ii) In the supplication ‘hizb Al-Sheikh’ he mentions: “And make me the treasury of the Forty” (http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#2.#2. - Reference 2. Pg. 52)

Comment: What is the sacredness of the Seventy-eight?! What or who is the treasury of the Forty?!

5.Scholars and Human Intellect

a. Keller says about Abdul-Waheed Ibn Zayd (ra) and Imam Abu Haneefa (ra) they “.. performed the Dawn prayer for forty years with the ablution made for the nightfall prayer..” (http://nuh.faithweb.com/pamphlet/brief_refutation.html#1.#1. - Reference 1. Pg.1023 & Pg. 1028)

Comment:

1. This is against the clear teaching of the Sunnah. The Prophet saw said: “I pray some of the night and I sleep some of the night.” Sahih Bukhari. And therefore Nuh Keller is insulting Abu Haneefah and others by accusing them of disobeying the Sunnah.

2. It seems Nuh Keller is either lying, or has placed his intellect aside (as mentioned above), since it is humanly impossible for a person to refrain from sleep for (40 years x 365 days) 14,600 consecutive nights.

6.Promotes dancing and singing as a form of worship !

Keller says: “Individual motives, thoughts, and preoccupations are momentarily put aside by means of the sacred dance, of moving together as one, sublimating and transcending the limitary and personal through the timelessness of rhythm, conjoined with the melody of voices singing spiritual meanings.”

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Replies: Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 10:24am

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

Dear Reader:

This post is repetition after IC Moderator deleted in vain. What got him is the exposure of his Sheikh. He want to deprive muslim readers know what this pseudo-Sheikh belief. I already got warning from him and I’m waiting my account to be terminated while non Muslims enjoy liberal rights. Read carefully to this man claims and see why Muslim world don’t need converts like this rapper player!!!

Abu Mujahid

Assalamu Alaikum,

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines. Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines.

Peace

Assa

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lamu Alaikum,

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines. Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines.

Peace

-------------Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13

Posted By: Abu Mujahid
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 11:55am

Originally posted by peacemaker

[QUOTE=Abu Mujahid]

Dear Reader:

This post is repetition after IC Moderator deleted in vain. What got him is the exposure of his Sheikh. He want to deprive muslim readers know what this pseudo-Sheikh belief. I already got warning from him and I’m waiting my account to be terminated while non Muslims enjoy liberal rights. Read carefully to this man claims and see why Muslim world don’t need converts like this rapper player!!!

Abu Mujahid

Assalamu Alaikum,

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines.<

There was no gross voilation unless you consider exposing this psuedo sufi creed a gross voilation. I see no difference between the earlier post and the current. Am I missing something?!!

>Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines<.

I like your selective memory. Where were you when he was insulting and rampaging on me let alone muslim scholars. When we challenge him its personal attacks. You can do better job without defending him blindly.

Abu Mujahid

Assa

____________________________________________________________

lamu Alaikum,

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines. Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines.

Peace

-------------Islam need true muslims

Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 10:49am

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

Originally posted by peacemaker

[QUOTE=Abu Mujahid]

Dear Reader:

This post is repetition after IC Moderator deleted in vain. What got him is the exposure of his Sheikh. He want to deprive muslim readers know what this pseudo-Sheikh belief. I already got warning from him and I’m waiting my account to be terminated while non Muslims enjoy liberal rights. Read carefully to this man claims and see why Muslim world don’t need converts like this rapper player!!!

Abu Mujahid

Assalamu Alaikum,

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines.<

There was no gross voilation unless you consider exposing this psuedo sufi creed a gross voilation. I see no difference between the earlier post and the current. Am I missing something?!!

>Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines<.

I like your selective memory. Where were you when he was insulting and rampaging on me let alone muslim scholars. When we challenge him its personal attacks. You can do better job without defending him blindly.

Abu Mujahid

Once again, please comply with guidelines.

Peace

I deleted that thread due to gross violation of guidelines. Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Please comply with guidelines.

Peace

-------------Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13

http://www.masud.co.uk/ - was educated in philosophy and Arabic at the http://www.masud.co.uk/ -
University of Chicago and UCLA. He entered Islam in 1977 at al-Azhar in
Cairo, and later studied the traditional Islamic Sciences of hadith, Shafi'i
and Hanafi jurisprudence, legal http://www.masud.co.uk/ - methodology
(usul al-fiqh), and tenets of faith (`aqidah) in Syria and Jordan,
where he http://www.masud.co.uk/ - has lived since 1980. His English
translation of `Umdat al-Salik [ http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/reliance.htm#reliance" target="mainFrame - The
Reliance of the Traveller ] (1250 pp., Sunna Books, 1991) is the first Islamic
legal work in a European language to receive the certification of al-Azhar,
the Muslim world's oldest institution of higher learning. He also possesses
ijazas or "certifiates of authorisation" in Islamic jurisprudence from
sheikhs in Syria and Jordan.

His Other translations and works include: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/reliance.htm#maqasid" target="mainFrame - Al-Maqasid :
Imam Nawawi's Manual of Islam; The Sunni Path: A Handbook of Islamic
Belief; and Tariqa Notes (handbook for those on the Shadhilli
path of tasawwuf). He is currently translating Imam Nawawi's Kitab
al-Adhkar [The Book of Rememberance of Allah], a compendium of some
1227 hadiths on prayers and dhikrs of the prophetic sunna. He
is also completing a work on the issue of the Qibla which will be available
soon.

These are the Qualafications of shaykh nuh Abu Mujahid who is the author of the above article and what are his qualafications?

Or this another example of people not caring who teaches them there deen?

-------------Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 24 June 2007 at 11:29am

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

The website you are getting this information from is compiled and authored by people who have no knowledge of islam or the subjects they are dealing with.

Just to point out some things that any person with a basic knowledge of the subject matter they are raising an issue with will already know.

“Whoever has no sheikh, has the devil as his Sheikh.” - Nuh Keller

This is not a saying of shaykh nuh but a famous sufi saying based on either a hadith or saying of the sahaba [i think abu huraira] or tabii, if you dont keep your nafs busy with good works shaytan will keep it busy, or something to that effect.

Keller claims to be a scholar of Islamic Fiqh.

He isnt claiming anything, he is a Qualified scholar of fiqh [unlike the people criticising him] so no need for the bold or italic fonts.

However, some troubling points can be found in his published works.

how would they know if they are not educated in the subject matter, if they dont understand the technical language of law and tassawuf how can you criticise it, but i guess common sence is not a strong point with these people.

even if it means ones death;

I would like to see a refrence for this, but taking it at face value the shaykh is teaching tassawuuf ie the science of adab so these comments should be taken in that context. It is a principle of Islam not to say anything bad about the deen which in the time of the prophet also included not saying anything bad about him even if it means death or torture and there are many examples of this from the sahabah. But if a person could not hold to this high moral standard [ie high standard of adab] then a person can say the bad things as long as he doesnt truly believe them.

There are many example in history of people facing death beffore they would say a bad thing about a person or figure they loved.

Many people ignorant of tassawuf blindly misinterpret these kind of statements, if the statement wasnt intended to you how can you understand it as it is meant. To point out the obvious Shakh Nuh is a shaykh of the Shadhili tariqah [as well as a shafii scholar], you have the Naqshbandi Tariqah who emphasis good works above all else as part of there teachings, you have the Qadiri Tariqah who emphasis good works as well as islamic study in areas such as fiqh and aqeedah [as well as other islamic sciences] as part of there teachings to there students then you have the Shadhili tariqah which emphasis islamic study as the main aspect of there teaching [above good works] to there students and which is why many prominent muslim scholars now and in the past have been part of this tariqah.

So when he says "Suspending ones intellect" it is only in regards to tassawuf [which is the science of adab] and not fiqh or aqeedah etc which the students are encouraged to study and know. The main rule in Tassawuf in any tareeqah is that fiqh is the outer shell while tassawuf is the heart meaning you can not do in tassawuf what isnt permitted in fiqh so suspending the intalect is not a blanket statment with no context or blind following or what ever thought entered these peoples minds.

Overly praises the following problematic figures:

problamatic to who? there small group which sees it as an issue, many people disagree with ibn arabi and many people agree with him this is called diference of opinion how can that itself be "problimatic". from my perspective these people writting this garbage are undeducated ignorant people who speak about matters they have not bothered to research properly, but hey i guess me and you have a "difference of opinion" on that dont we.

regarding pharaoh he died believing in allah [same as iblis believes in Allah] but kufr was not why he was sent to jahannam [there are ahdith about this] what those verses mean is a matter for interpretation, Islam does wipe away what was beffore it and he would have been pure ON THAT DAY, but who says you cant sin after believing in Allah?

regarding what the scholars said [assuming the quotes are correct and not fabricated] that is one opinion there are many others by even greater scholars than them, nothing is black and white like they make it out to be

Saying that people can see Prophet Muhammad (saw) while Awake !

this is just plain st**idity, there are many sahih hadith which say "Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when awake, and Satan cannot imitate me in form" [Bukhari vol. 9 p 104 no 122]

"(it will be) as if he saw me when awake" [Muslim vol. 4 p1225 no 5636].

Comment: This claim clearly contradicts the Quran and Sunnah which both confirm the death of the Prophet saw.

it doesnt clearly contradict anything they are limiting what can occur by there understanding and interpretation alone which is open for debate and not clear and evident fact. Who ever claimed he wasn't dead, they have put words in the shaykhs mouth the difference is in what barzakh means and clearly salafi's hold a different meaning to everyone else.

1. This is against the clear teaching of the Sunnah. The Prophet saw said: “I pray some of the night and I sleep some of the night.” Sahih
Bukhari. And therefore Nuh Keller is insulting Abu Haneefah and others
by accusing them of disobeying the Sunnah.

This isnt a teaching this is his habit which he chose for himself, i cant believe they have just deduced from this that it is haram to stay awake subhanah allah, unqualified and able to deduce legal rulings from primary sources they must be proud of them selfs.

It seems Nuh Keller is
either lying, or has placed his intellect aside (as mentioned above),
since it is humanly impossible for a person to refrain from sleep for
(40 years x 365 days) 14,600 consecutive nights.

This an authentic saying about Imam Abu hanifah not a saying of shaykh nuh a child familiar with imam abu hanifah would know this saying about him. The saying itself is a genralaisation and not to be taken literally....they may have missed some nights.

1. Since when have singing and dancing become means of Worshipping Allah?

singing about allah is worship actually anthing to do with him is worship even mentioning one letter from the quran is worship, Alif Lam Mim, dancing is just moving foward and backwards or side to side in a circle not dirty dancing like these people probably imagined. Any form of lewed or sexually implied movements are haram.

2. If these are indeed means then why are there no authentic Hadeeth on how to dance for Worship.this is a classic example of why salafi's are sect they hold to the principle that everything is haram until it is proven to be halal. where are the ahadith prohibiting any form of singing and dancing outright?

-------------Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.