particularly when attached to rap music. Isn't nearly all music emotional as it is? Why the addendum? I fucking hate it! I hated it when it emerged in hardcore, then indie, then punk, and now every fucking thing is emo. God, as much as I like Sole, I don't want to buy the new album because of the stupid-ass sticker on the cover.

Shit.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:57 pm

Hellen Earthcould be a girl. could be a guy.

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I guess music has gotten to the point that there needs to be some prefix to let the listener know that it contains emotion and substance. It's an unfortunate label, but I think there should be some way to distinguish music of substance from the crap that's become so commonplace.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:00 pm

sequence

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That may be the case, but it doesn't change the fact that I get an almost unsuppressable urge to punch fucks in the throat who use the term incessantly. Good god, it is one of the worst things ever.

This is a new low for me.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:05 pm

futuristxen

Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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you should really get the new sole album. I personally took the sticker as a joke and I think you should as well. If you read the marketing things for most of the anticon artists they are all pretty ridiculous. Alias makes "goth-hop" or something like that.

Seriously the new sole album is great stuff.
go buy it.

As far as the term itself, yeah I don't like it either, because it doesn't say anything anymore, everything is getting called "emo" these days. And as you say, nearly all music is emotional on some level, so there is no need for the prefix. So yeah I agree with you totally.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:28 pm

MessiahCarey

Joined: 01 Jul 2002
Posts: 10924

I concur.

"Emo hip hop" is just as dumb as "emocore"

I mean...let's think Shift when we think of "emo", shall we? That's if we're forced to think of "emo" at all.

All music should be releasing emotion of some sort. Calling something "emo" means you actually think you have a better handle on it than other musicians within the same genre that don't take the label (probably because they refuse to care). Bullshit if you ask me.

- Shane

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:44 pm

duke_city

Joined: 05 Jul 2002
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Location: San Diego,CA

I still have no idea what Emo is but I'm with sequence I hate the word too.

Brian

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:51 pm

August Spies

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Posts: 1979
Location: D.C.

I have a shirt that I made that says "death to false emo violence"

emo violence is the only use of emo I like. and yes, its mostly a joke.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:20 pm

Guest

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emo is the dumbest shit ever thought of.please.dont use the word.its fuckin gay

Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:58 pm

futuristxen

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August Spies wrote: I have a shirt that I made that says "death to false emo violence"

emo violence is the only use of emo I like. and yes, its mostly a joke.

exactly what I'm saying. I think it's a joke that not everyone is in on.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:15 pm

August Spies

Joined: 09 Aug 2002
Posts: 1979
Location: D.C.

I meant emo violence is a joker term not emo as a whole. Its too bad emo has been fucked over so much, it used to refer to some of the most beautiful and emotive music out there. Not it just means Saves the Day or the strokes.

sigh

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:35 pm

Say Sam Ting

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Image is nothing... Thurst is Everything... Sprite Aight!

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:48 pm

futuristxen

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August, you might know this better, but didn't emo start out as a derogatory reference to what was viewed as kind of sappy punk(in the sense that the topic wasn't political, but more tuned towards love and the such)? That's how I heard it anyhow.

As far as how it got into hiphop, slug tells a story in an interview about how he was joking with some people about the idea of emo-hiphop and then the fanbase and marketing took it and ran with it, taking something that was a joke and turning it into a label that I think is the hiphop equivelent of backpacker and artfag.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:50 pm

SoundDoctrine

Joined: 20 Nov 2002
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What is frustrating about music is we make words to destinguish different sounds or feelings music presents to us, but it is such an abstract concept to describe feelings emitted from music, so instead of just defining certain music we like and don't like we go the extent of placing these obnoxious genres on music and it just makes the whole environment sour...Oh well...

Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:18 pm

tom inhalerme too!

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haha, yeah... i'm working on this site now which tackles the whole emo thing.

I couldn't tell you who actually coined the term, but the first few times I heard it used it was referencing old DC bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace (both pre-Fugazi, but you knew that), and I like both of those bands. After that I started to hear it used to reference bands such as Hum, Hayden, Mineral, Sunny Day Real Estate, and others of that ilk. Slowly it turned into Lifetime being emo-core, than when Saves the Day ripped them off, they in turn became emo and it was all down hill from there. I didn't use to think of it as a derogatory term, even though I sincerely disliked most of the bands who were included in the category (such as Promise Ring, STD, Get Up Kids..blah blah), now when I hear it, I run screaming in the other direction. I'm all for humorous usage of excessive prefixes when describing music or whatever, but most people are not being ironic when they refer to things as emo indie-hop or some such horse shit. If you want to talk about gravity-screamo-ultra-powerviolence or some shit, then I'm in.

I want to kick the shit out of that little turd from Dashboard Confessional.

I'm buying the new Sole album, that was merely what prompted me to make the comment. I love the 12", so I'm excited about the album. I'm just bummed that 4 of the tracks on the album have been released already, I hate that, less surprises.

Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:52 pm

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