Nintendo needs to put voice chat into all online games. I hate to remind them what year we are living in but really it is a bit old now.

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No joke. For me, if the game doesn't have voice chat then I have no business playing it online. Hell, the least Nintendo could do is implement a smoke signal system, at least that would be something. Otherwise, I guess we'd just have to go with in-game interpretive dancing and taunts.

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would y'all REALLY want to listen to angry children rage when you slaughter em in smash?

Hell even if they didn't have it for random smash and just friend matches, so many players add others in smash just to face new people in something other than random, without truly knowing them, that voice chat in it would still result in having to listen to some random kid raging over losing so badly...

I'd end up having that feature disabled at all times just because it'd give me a headache.

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Voice chat (like Achievements), is something that divides opinion and although its unlikely to be a feature I would actually use myself, I would still like a voice chat option there (including an option to disable it) for even greater choice.

Speaking of Bob-omb, what do you think the prospects are of there being another Mario character on the final roster? Is it at all possible that someone like Bowser Jr. for instance could still make the cut or do you think that Rosalina has taken the final slot available for Mario characters all but eliminating the chance of any other new Mario character being playable?

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I think a 6th Mario character could potentially happen. I'm just hoping it doesn't happen.

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Five Mario characters is enough I reckon. If there had to be another Mario style rep, then I would want it to be someone from the Wario series and for it to be someone like Captain Syrup (the primary antagonist of the main series of Wario games).

@solitanze Nintendo has implemented online voice chat for a few of their games, but usually when it happens it's restricted to people on your friends list which I don't mind really. Pokemon X/Y and Days of ruin are two off the top of my head examples. I'd be satisfied with something similar because nothing is worse than going into an online lobby to hear 5 year olds inexplicably, screaming expletives and other assorted derogatory comments, only to force you to find your nearest volume control option.

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That sounds like a reasonable middle ground solution that could work for SSB4.

The in game music and sounds and the voice chatters should be on two different threads of the DSP right? If the engine is optimized for DSP use, then perhaps they could simply have the recording ignore the microphones of all involved.

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Specifically just for recordings (assuming any video upload feature is even included in the game in the first place)?

New thread! Damnit, second page.
Anyways, to celebrate the new thread, a shipping! This time, not including OoD!
Kirby fan X Chrom
Now, all joking aside, a new topic that hasn't been beaten to a dead horse:
Let's assume Paper Mario got in as his own series and we got someone else alongside him. Who would it be?

Anyway, my idea was that we could post our own ideas of "character IPODS" (you don't have to make a video, just post the character with the music video under it.) Personally, I feel the maker did a pretty good job with matching the songs to the characters with a few exceptions so I'm mostly going to do newcomers. However, if you want to do veterans feel free to. I'll start us off with:
Wii Fit Trainer-

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To skip the gross male body scenes...simply go to 0:26, sorry about that guys. And yes, while I know full well what the song's about, it is one of the first workout songs I think of and it fits WFT really well.

Now, all joking aside, SSB64's anniversary is coming up on January 21. So is the first Wario Land's anniversary, on the same exact day, in fact.
Wario reveal soon?

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I would expect one of the 64 vets before Wario. Perhaps Ness.

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Well we did get Ashley so he's practically confirmed. I'd think we would get him pretty soon because of this, especially considering Wario is not a secret character. If not then, maybe for Mario Kart 8.

Now, all joking aside, SSB64's anniversary is coming up on January 21. So is the first Wario Land's anniversary, on the same exact day, in fact.
Wario reveal soon?

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I would expect one of the 64 vets before Wario. Perhaps Ness.

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Well we did get Ashley so he's practically confirmed. I'd think we would get him pretty soon because of this, especially considering Wario is not a secret character. If not then, maybe for Mario Kart 8.

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MK8 for Wario seems right. Still expecting someone this month, with 64's and Brawl's Japanese Anniversary.

I just pulled out Brawl to cure some boredom and wow... Meta Knight is excessively powerful. You think theyll tone him down in the next game or keep him the same?

Btw I think it would be cool if Sakurai gave another series 4 reps - (enough for a full 4player match). Whether it be DK, Starfox, Kirby, etc... I think a another series should reach the 4 rep mark at least for SSB4.

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I hope we have 4 dk characters I want dk diddy kong cranky kong and either king k kool or Dixie

Nintendo needs to put voice chat into all online games. I hate to remind them what year we are living in but really it is a bit old now.

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No joke. For me, if the game doesn't have voice chat then I have no business playing it online. Hell, the least Nintendo could do is implement a smoke signal system, at least that would be something. Otherwise, I guess we'd just have to go with in-game interpretive dancing and taunts.

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would y'all REALLY want to listen to angry children rage when you slaughter em in smash?

Hell even if they didn't have it for random smash and just friend matches, so many players add others in smash just to face new people in something other than random, without truly knowing them, that voice chat in it would still result in having to listen to some random kid raging over losing so badly...

I'd end up having that feature disabled at all times just because it'd give me a headache.

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That's too bad for you man, but I definitely need it so I can talk to my brethren at NE while they kick my ass.

You see, this is what happens when I'm watching too much Anime, I miss the first page of the new god damn Smash discussion thread. Me, DragonBrawlZ......I'm ashamed of myself

LUCAS BETTER FRIKKIN RETURN, or may god have mercy on Sakurai's soul

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inb4 lucas is cut. Not saying I would like that, as Lucas is my Brawl secondary, and M3 being my favorite game of all time, but it's a possibility. Keep your eyes out for April 18th and 21st, the two days closest to the Mother 3 Anniversary on April 20th.

You see, this is what happens when I'm watching too much Anime, I miss the first page of the new god damn Smash discussion thread. Me, DragonBrawlZ......I'm ashamed of myself

LUCAS BETTER FRIKKIN RETURN, or may god have mercy on Sakurai's soul

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inb4 lucas is cut. Not saying I would like that, as Lucas is my Brawl secondary, and M3 being my favorite game of all time, but it's a possibility. Keep your eyes out for April 18th and 21st, the two days closest to the Mother 3 Anniversary on April 20th.

I supported Dr. Mario even after Rosalina was confirmed so I'd say that a 6th Mario character is certainly possible(though I no longer support the doctor). However I don't think any of the potential Mario reps have much of a chance left so I think it'd stay at 5 for the time being.

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Dr. Mario should just be a costume of Mario.

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He'd have to be more than a simple "costume". They'd have to give him Pills, Tornado and also all the differences he had with regular Mario such as his electric attacks, powerful sex kick, PAL version weight, etc.

I supported Dr. Mario even after Rosalina was confirmed so I'd say that a 6th Mario character is certainly possible(though I no longer support the doctor). However I don't think any of the potential Mario reps have much of a chance left so I think it'd stay at 5 for the time being.

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Dr. Mario should just be a costume of Mario.

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He'd have to be more than a simple "costume". They'd have to give him Pills, Tornado and also all the differences he had with regular Mario such as his electric attacks, powerful sex kick, PAL version weight, etc.

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Project M accomplished this and he was still technically a costume of Mario. I agree about the heftier weight and other changes.

He'd have to be more than a simple "costume". They'd have to give him Pills, Tornado and also all the differences he had with regular Mario such as his electric attacks, powerful sex kick, PAL version weight, etc.

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Project M accomplished this and he was still technically a costume of Mario. I agree about the heftier weight and other changes.

(PAL weight? He was heavy in NTSC as well.)

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Dunno about Project M's Dr. Mario. But from what I've heard P: M Mario is basically a combination of Dr. Mario and Mario in Melee so it's easier to make that change. If Smash 4 can do that though, then great. Though it'd be one of the more development-heavy "costumes" considering the changes so I doubt it'd happen.
And apparently he had more weight in the PAL version, substantially more than NTSC.

He'd have to be more than a simple "costume". They'd have to give him Pills, Tornado and also all the differences he had with regular Mario such as his electric attacks, powerful sex kick, PAL version weight, etc.

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Project M accomplished this and he was still technically a costume of Mario. I agree about the heftier weight and other changes.

(PAL weight? He was heavy in NTSC as well.)

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Dunno about Project M's Dr. Mario. But from what I've heard P: M Mario is basically a combination of Dr. Mario and Mario in Melee so it's easier to make that change. If Smash 4 can do that though, then great. Though it'd be one of the more development-heavy "costumes" considering the changes so I doubt it'd happen.
And apparently he had more weight in the PAL version, substantially more than NTSC.

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Interesting. I played JPN and USA versions, and felt Dr. Mario was fairly heavy in both.

Project M accomplished this and he was still technically a costume of Mario. I agree about the heftier weight and other changes.

(PAL weight? He was heavy in NTSC as well.)

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Dunno about Project M's Dr. Mario. But from what I've heard P: M Mario is basically a combination of Dr. Mario and Mario in Melee so it's easier to make that change. If Smash 4 can do that though, then great. Though it'd be one of the more development-heavy "costumes" considering the changes so I doubt it'd happen.
And apparently he had more weight in the PAL version, substantially more than NTSC.

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Interesting. I played JPN and USA versions, and felt Dr. Mario was fairly heavy in both.

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Felt the same for the USA version. I can't confirm whether the PAL version actually has those changes though, all based on hearsay.

I just meant BIG as in ome of the larger side games, like the RPGs. As awesome as Mario Kart is I would probably fit it above but close to Mario Party and the Mario sports games, and I don't think they would pick a character enturely off of it.

do you guys think that Marth is sort of OP? Considering he is pretty fast, has a pretty good recovery, good combos, and can kill at very low percentages. ESPECIALLY his forward smash, which can kill at 60-70% without even charging it.

do you guys think that Marth is sort of OP? Considering he is pretty fast, has a pretty good recovery, good combos, and can kill at very low percentages. ESPECIALLY his forward smash, which can kill at 60-70% without even charging it.

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That's not OP. That's balanced with clearer advantages, than disadvantages.

Personally, the only character I considered OP in brawl was snake. His hitboxes on his tilt moves are ridiculously broken, especially the side tilt. So many times I've been been hit by that move after i've already dodged behind him only to get sucked into the move anyway. Eventually i learned how to deal with it, but it was a pain because I couldn't trust what I was looking at. Combine that with the fact the tilt moves are incredibly fast, and they shouldn't have even been that strong considering how heavy and hard to send snake is.

do you guys think that Marth is sort of OP? Considering he is pretty fast, has a pretty good recovery, good combos, and can kill at very low percentages. ESPECIALLY his forward smash, which can kill at 60-70% without even charging it.

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That's not OP. That's balanced with clearer advantages, than disadvantages.

Personally, the only character I considered OP in brawl was snake. His hitboxes on his tilt moves are ridiculously broken, especially the side tilt. So many times I've been been hit by that move after i've already dodged behind him only to get sucked into the move anyway. Eventually i learned how to deal with it, but it was a pain because I couldn't trust what I was looking at. Combine that with the fact the tilt moves are incredibly fast, and they shouldn't have even been that strong considering how heavy and hard to send snake is.

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ok i understand, but what exactly are Marths disadvantages. Also don't you also find MK to be OP?

I have a question about Brawl's online. Do wifi matches really prove how good you are at the game? Because when I verse my friends in real life I pretty much always win, however when I verse them online I almost always lose or just BARELY win.

I have a question about Brawl's online. Do wifi matches really prove how good you are at the game? Because when I verse my friends in real life I pretty much always win, however when I verse them online I almost always lose or just BARELY win.

do you guys think that Marth is sort of OP? Considering he is pretty fast, has a pretty good recovery, good combos, and can kill at very low percentages. ESPECIALLY his forward smash, which can kill at 60-70% without even charging it.

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That's not OP. That's balanced with clearer advantages, than disadvantages.

Personally, the only character I considered OP in brawl was snake. His hitboxes on his tilt moves are ridiculously broken, especially the side tilt. So many times I've been been hit by that move after i've already dodged behind him only to get sucked into the move anyway. Eventually i learned how to deal with it, but it was a pain because I couldn't trust what I was looking at. Combine that with the fact the tilt moves are incredibly fast, and they shouldn't have even been that strong considering how heavy and hard to send snake is.

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ok i understand, but what exactly are Marths disadvantages. Also don't you also find MK to be OP?

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There aren't too many, but the reason I don't main him is because of the recovery. His recovery options are a bit limited compared to some other characters. He can use the up/side(to give some slight horizontal momentum)+b, or the shield breaker as recovery though those only work in an ideal scenario. I main Pit because to me he's like a better marth, though with not as many ko options, which actually helps him imo due to stale move negation, though it can be a bit predictable as well.

As for MK, I'm well aware of what he can do, but I don't consider him OP. He's definitely formidable but there's nothing that's broken about him imo.

short and sweet answer for marth, no he's not op'd, just very good in brawl, its not his forward smash that is the problem most of the time though(unless the marth is amazing at landing tipper hits where his sword does the most damage and knockback, then its very possible for him to kill as low as 60-70% with it on some characters.)

its more about his great aerial game, mainly his forward air, and just overall many solid options in all situations.

as for metaknight.....yeah everything about him is op'd/broken, best recovery in smash history, him being able to reliably kill plenty of characters at low damages by destroying their chance of recovery, no bad matchups at all in the game, because his moveset is overall extremely safe in all situations, no bad stages at all in the game because his moveset lets him adapt to any situation, ability to stall out matches from the ledge(approaching a metaknight while he's on the ledge is pretty much suicide, he's the only reason there is a ledge grab limit in brawl tournaments, because its quite literally his safest position, so after he takes a stock off an opponent, or even just gets them at higher damage than he is, he could immediately go to the ledge and the MK player would "win' the match, as the opponent can't really do anything against him there.)

i could keep going but i'll just end it there, point is, MK was easily the most broken character in smash history, IDK wtf sakurai was smoking when he designed Metaknight, but he screwed up big time.

I think a 6th Mario character could potentially happen. I'm just hoping it doesn't happen.

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Five Mario characters is enough I reckon. If there had to be another Mario style rep, then I would want it to be someone from the Wario series and for it to be someone like Captain Syrup (the primary antagonist of the main series of Wario games).

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I'd take Captain Syrup over any of the remaining Mario choices, except King K. Rool. There aren't many interesting characters left in my opinion, so five is enough from Mario in this game.

There's also Super Metroid VC on Wii U that released on May 15th 2013 as well.

So hypothetically (unless Sakurai pulls a surprise on us), the earliest that Ridley related information could be unveiled is probably March 19th 2014 and the latest unveil time will probably be September 2, 2014. All four days for the original main series games fall on a weekday (either Tuesday or Wednesday) making the Ridley related announcement eligible for either a PoTD or Nintendo Direct update.

Given that almost everything about Samus (including the stage) has been based on Other M so far, it wouldn't surprise me if the September date is ultimately opted for. But at the same time, it's also entirely possible that Sakurai unveils the Ridley development in line with the 20 year anniversary of the release of Super Metroid in Japan (which many consider to be the best Metroid game in the series). There's certainly plenty of potential dates for Sakurai to choose from to either confirm that Ridley is a playable character, or as currently suggested, a stage hazard for the Pyrosphere stage.

Nintendo needs to put voice chat into all online games. I hate to remind them what year we are living in but really it is a bit old now.

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Is it possible to express profanity on Wii U Chat without moderation (providing the conversation isn't reported)? I haven't used Wii U Chat so i'm not sure. But even if this weren't a hurdle, there's also the issue of consistency with Miiverse's Code of Conduct. I'm not sure Nintendo will want inconsistencies with voice chat in SSB4 allowing profanity (contrary to Miiverse which prohibits profanity) and potentially open themselves up to liability from angry parents. So I don't like voice chats chances in SSB4, but we'll just have to wait and see on that front; fingers crossed.

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I have no idea. Never used Wii U Chat unless they make it able to connect while playing other games I don't see the use really.

Attention Everyone.One of my friends just told me that there is something that he does NOT like about all the Smash Bros games. He thinks that there are too many characters from the Mario series. While this may seem true when you first look at it, it really isn't. My friend who I will now refer to as "Marth", says there are 8 Mario characters in Brawl. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Wario. While these guys are technically "Mario" characters, they have all evolved and now represent their own franchises. Donkey Kong has his own line of games that are separate from Mario, and so do Wario and Yoshi to a lesser extent. Wario has his Wario Ware games that are separate from the Mario series and Yoshi has a few games focused around him as well. I only agree with the fact that Yoshi can still be seen as representing the Mario series in Smash Bros because his games are still more closely linked with Mario then DK's and Wario's are. So taking this into account there are 5 Mario reps in Brawl. My point is that yes all these characters are technically Mario characters, but the represent their own series in Smash Bros. Despite all this Marth still thinks there are too many (8) Mario characters in the game.What is your opinion on this?