It seems a funny one that, but I guess the issue is if too many do it social distancing over 2m including accessing and leaving the park would be different, the original advise was if you’ve been close to a victim for 15 minutes for example now it’s this so assume they are finding more and more about it all the time.

It’s the odd one of the drone of a couple walking in the Peak District that are appear to be miles from people and it seems OTT but if they have an accident or car crash on the way (similar reason why even taking a drive and not getting out the car where it would be virtually impossible to pass anything on) would then put unnecessary requirements into the NHS to treat you.

Some countries are doing things different, total lockdown in some and Sweden that’s put the elderly and vulnerable in isolation but allowed the rest of the population to go about their usual business using common sense... they disagree with the numbers Imperial College produced that changed our strategy here and going for herd immunity.

That said if we’d done what we were told a couple of weekends ago we may not have needed to lockdown to this level but alas we didn’t as we are typically stubborn Brits, that one last pub trip and thousands descending on parks let the rest down but was all too predictable.

Guess we will only know which worked best once it’s over and then know for next time.

They’ve been hard done to getting a battering from the government when in fairness a) their taxes put hundreds of millions into the economy and b) these rich government MPs are not doing the same as far as we know.

Interesting that they’ve figured taking a 30% cut would actually be detrimental due to the lost Tax!

That said on the flip side a minted club like Liverpool furloughing staff is a disgrace! They will probably still flog enough shirts etc online across the globe to pay their non playing staff many times over! Even many L2 clubs haven’t as yet.

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So TW what happens to the children who need intensive care?
Best wishes by the way, I hope you and your colleagues come through this ok and perhaps get better appreciated by the powers that be in the future.

Our children’s high dependency unit (a lot smaller) is serving as our intensive care unit. Children requiring HDU are being cared for on the general wards, which would never happen in normal circumstances. There are children’s intensive care units in the country whom remain untouched and operating as normal, but makes cases of children being sent to the other end of the country from their home for treatment more likely.

Well yeah that's one reason I doubt lockdown will extend right the way through 2020. I also doubt that the virus will continue to infect significant numbers for that long but I'm just basing that off a hunch, that's one for the experts to answer. More predictably, the current level of lockdown will become increasingly unworkable as people refuse to adhere to it.

Because they're staying in one spot and not moving it makes it harder for everyone to spend time outdoors. The parks that have been photographed with sunbathers in, if other people are to strictly observe the 2m distance guidelines, that park is now effectively off limits to everyone else. On a similar note I've seen a narrow path that goes around a golf course near me have groups of people just standing chatting on it even if those people are 2m from each other, or in the same household it still makes it impossible for other people to get past.

I do sympathise with the PFA because the typical professional footballer probably earns a lot less than people think. The top earners will drag the average up, but even though the top players in L2 earn a good wage compared to the typical Brit that has to be weighed against the fact they'll only be earning that amount for probably about 15 years, then it stops and it could stop at any time before then due to injury or loss or form; and although critics will say they're getting paid for playing a game I'd still say footballer is a more essential and valuable career to society than say, hedge fund manager.

For a starters it’s most definitely non-essential travel and not exercise. It would be great if it could be guaranteed that these people are remaining 2m apart from the moment they leave their house and not unnecessarily touching surfaces, but it’s unlikely. I’ve seen pictures of people eating fish and chips on the beach, unlikely they’ll have been chucked at them from 2m away, they’ll probably need a piss in a public toilet not long after etc etc etc. It then encourages others to go out and socialise or have a weekend break because, like the big kids we are, it’s unfair if “they” can do it but “we can’t”.

Yeah there’s nothing dangerous per se about a picture of people sat 5m apart on a beach. But what they’re doing to be there, the fact they’re ignoring advice about non-essential travel and the knock on effect it has on others behaviour is definitely dangerous. Before you know it another handful of people are taking Coronavirus home.

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For a starters it’s most definitely non-essential travel and not exercise. It would be great if it could be guaranteed that these people are remaining 2m apart from the moment they leave their house and not unnecessarily touching surfaces, but it’s unlikely. I’ve seen pictures of people eating fish and chips on the beach, unlikely they’ll have been chucked at them from 2m away, they’ll probably need a piss in a public toilet not long after etc etc etc. It then encourages others to go out and socialise or have a weekend break because, like the big kids we are, it’s unfair if “they” can do it but “we can’t”.

Yeah there’s nothing dangerous per se about a picture of people sat 5m apart on a beach. But what they’re doing to be there, the fact they’re ignoring advice about non-essential travel and the knock on effect it has on others behaviour is definitely dangerous. Before you know it another handful of people are taking Coronavirus home.

Don't know about the park but also a lot of the places where people are congregating, such as beaches, they've almost certainly driven to, whereas exercise is supposed to begin and end at your front door. At my nearest park the other day I saw police were stopping cars trying to access the car park and explaining this to people.

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Our children’s high dependency unit (a lot smaller) is serving as our intensive care unit. Children requiring HDU are being cared for on the general wards, which would never happen in normal circumstances. There are children’s intensive care units in the country whom remain untouched and operating as normal, but makes cases of children being sent to the other end of the country from their home for treatment more likely.

I spoke with someone who is a nurse earlier in the week who said that in their hospital they had cancelled most elective surgery and cleared space in wards, in anticipation of a rush of people with the virus requiring treatment, but at that point were coping well. With the recent news that there will be a Nightingale Hospital opened in Bristol, which will presumably take virus victims from much of the West Country, it does seem like the situation is under control. However, when you look at the heat map of places with the most infections it does suggest that there are some real hot-spots around the country...largely around heavily built up areas.

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I spoke with someone who is a nurse earlier in the week who said that in their hospital they had cancelled most elective surgery and cleared space in wards, in anticipation of a rush of people with the virus requiring treatment, but at that point were coping well. With the recent news that there will be a Nightingale Hospital opened in Bristol, which will presumably take virus victims from much of the West Country, it does seem like the situation is under control. However, when you look at the heat map of places with the most infections it does suggest that there are some real hot-spots around the country...largely around heavily built up areas.

Planning and preparation by means of clearing every inch of the hospital where a bed could potentially go has been going on for months, back even when it was just a trickle of news coming out of China. Elective surgery at my place was cancelled a couple of weeks ago in preparation for both adult theatres and children’s theatres becoming adult ICU/HDU overflow. Other children’s ICU’s started taking up to 25 year olds (usual cut off age is 16, give or take) a week or two ago to ease the burden on adult ICUs.

It is largely “under control” as it stands but don’t fooled, the NHS is absolutely stretching to breaking point to keep it under control. I’ll most likely be looking after adult patients from tomorrow onwards. Something I never trained to do. At least I know my way round a ventilator & the fundamentals of keeping the critically ill as stable as possible and we’ll be backed by team of adult nurses/consultants for where kids and adults differ in treatment. Because the next step is having someone who hasn’t seen a ventilator in their life looking after these people. Which is why being told to “stay at home” a million times a day is no joke.

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Planning and preparation by means of clearing every inch of the hospital where a bed could potentially go has been going on for months, back even when it was just a trickle of news coming out of China. Elective surgery at my place was cancelled a couple of weeks ago in preparation for both adult theatres and children’s theatres becoming adult ICU/HDU overflow. Other children’s ICU’s started taking up to 25 year olds (usual cut off age is 16, give or take) a week or two ago to ease the burden on adult ICUs.

It is largely “under control” as it stands but don’t fooled, the NHS is absolutely stretching to breaking point to keep it under control. I’ll most likely be looking after adult patients from tomorrow onwards. Something I never trained to do. At least I know my way round a ventilator & the fundamentals of keeping the critically ill as stable as possible and we’ll be backed by team of adult nurses/consultants for where kids and adults differ in treatment. Because the next step is having someone who hasn’t seen a ventilator in their life looking after these people. Which is why being told to “stay at home” a million times a day is no joke.

not so sure about the tailed off bit;- by Thursday on average 10 a day were getting taken to the hospital in Barrow by ambulance with it. There's 5 (or6?) buildings (sports halls etc) being converted in Cumbria to give extra beds.

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Just got back in from work, travelled about 12 miles in mainly rural area and saw more cyclists and walkers than cars. Everyone in this area seems to be abiding by the social distancing and advice on travel and exercise.
I feel sorry for people in places like London who are told not to travel or visit their local park but it is ok to travel on a crowded tube.

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Massive respect to Timey, the job you and the rest of the NHS staff are doing is incredible. Absolute heroes who deserve much more help from the gov then just getting clapped every Thursday. Like getting enough PPE, (which should be a given) and actually getting tested for the fucking disease.

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They’ve been hard done to getting a battering from the government when in fairness a) their taxes put hundreds of millions into the economy and b) these rich government MPs are not doing the same as far as we know.

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Just got back in from work, travelled about 12 miles in mainly rural area and saw more cyclists and walkers than cars. Everyone in this area seems to be abiding by the social distancing and advice on travel and exercise.
I feel sorry for people in places like London who are told not to travel or visit their local park but it is ok to travel on a crowded tube.

The A3 past me was very busy today with the people in London travelling to the south coast... Not really in the vicinity of their homes...
Traffic jams tonight with them returning...wouldn't surprise me if the lockdown became even tighter...

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From the pictures on tv and in the newspapers i see i dont think its going to be under control for quite a while in the uk ,people out in the sunshine walking may seem to be ok but they should not be out at all end of , but its the goverments fault at the end of the day ,we have got the army out over here as well as the guardia ,and i think spain is doing it right tough and uncompromising , the figures hopefully are finally going the right way ,and a gradual relaxing of the rules are being talked about ,but not till after the easter break

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We’ve had no cases here, but still into our 3rd week of lockdown - 3 more to go. Need a permit to go out, €150 fine for flouting it.

I still can’t quite get my head round how things will be when restrictions are lifted. Everywhere there will be many people who have the virus but have shown no symptoms. As soon as people start congregating again it’ll pop up once more. No way every single person in every single country can be tested.

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From the pictures on tv and in the newspapers i see i dont think its going to be under control for quite a while in the uk ,people out in the sunshine walking may seem to be ok but they should not be out at all end of , but its the goverments fault at the end of the day ,we have got the army out over here as well as the guardia ,and i think spain is doing it right tough and uncompromising , the figures hopefully are finally going the right way ,and a gradual relaxing of the rules are being talked about ,but not till after the easter break

You're not wrong, you only have to watch the 47 hours of daily coverage on the BBC. Obviously 4 daily bulletins just aren't enough, and that's not including the daily briefing before the 6 o'clock news.

Indeed, and people enjoy getting angry. I have been worried about the sheer magnitude of quarantine-shaming going on, a lot of photos being shared of people who haven't really done anything wrong, just picked the wrong place to go for their daily exercise, and there's a few people having a picnic in the photo which they should be doing, a lot of people just walking by, so as a result everyone pictured gets shared around with facebook posts saying 'let's name and shame these idiots, they deserve to get coronavirus and die'.

So far nobody I know has been shamed but if this goes on much longer then there'll be a lot of residual anger even after the pandemic itself has subsided. When you share photos of people about and encourage folk to work themselves into a rage over the photo there'll always be a few idiots who take things too far and harrass individuals over social media or assault them and people will be feeling the negative effects for months or even years afterwards of a walk to a local park that just happened to be too busy. I do feel for those in central urban areas such as London who are living in a one-room cupboard or sharing a bathroom between twelve housemates because it's all they can afford for under a grand a month in rent; usually the same people working in front-line jobs or who have been laid off without pay by callous employers and now being shamed for going for a walk by smug suburbanites sipping Pimms in their big gardens.

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You're not wrong, you only have to watch the 47 hours of daily coverage on the BBC. Obviously 4 daily bulletins just aren't enough, and that's not including the daily briefing before the 6 o'clock news.

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Indeed, and people enjoy getting angry. I have been worried about the sheer magnitude of quarantine-shaming going on, a lot of photos being shared of people who haven't really done anything wrong, just picked the wrong place to go for their daily exercise, and there's a few people having a picnic in the photo which they should be doing, a lot of people just walking by, so as a result everyone pictured gets shared around with facebook posts saying 'let's name and shame these idiots, they deserve to get coronavirus and die'.

So far nobody I know has been shamed but if this goes on much longer then there'll be a lot of residual anger even after the pandemic itself has subsided. When you share photos of people about and encourage folk to work themselves into a rage over the photo there'll always be a few idiots who take things too far and harrass individuals over social media or assault them and people will be feeling the negative effects for months or even years afterwards of a walk to a local park that just happened to be too busy. I do feel for those in central urban areas such as London who are living in a one-room cupboard or sharing a bathroom between twelve housemates because it's all they can afford for under a grand a month in rent; usually the same people working in front-line jobs or who have been laid off without pay by callous employers and now being shamed for going for a walk by smug suburbanites sipping Pimms in their big gardens.

pretty much agree with that - the park picture is just an easy shot the press took to get a lot of people into one photo - the vast majority are doing nothing wrong. There are however plenty of people who should be shamed - that Scottish Health spokeswoman was one. The idiots from London (and other cities) who decided to drive to the seaside because it was a nice day deserve any bad press they get. And lastly a mention for the few stupid people who decided to go on holiday to places like Singapore and Thailand and didn't set off until mid March despite travel warnings - and are now bleating all over social media and the news crying because they can't get home.... it's your own stupid effin fault you are there you morons - you deserve to be left there, whilst any who were already out there beforehand do need help bringing back.

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...the vast majority are doing nothing wrong. There are however plenty of people who should be shamed - that Scottish Health spokeswoman was one. The idiots from London (and other cities) who decided to drive to the seaside because it was a nice day deserve any bad press they get.

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They are actually explaining how/when restrictions will be lifted. At the moment they are in place until 27 April. Bars/restaurants will open only if they have outside areas. Any tourists will have to be tested.