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My biggest gripe with the Nolan Batman trilogy (just got around to watching TDKR) is that, despite the fact they are supposed to be "gritty" and "realistic", all of them rely on some absolutely ridiculous technology as a major plot device: the microwave vaporizer in BB, the sonar spying machine in TDK, and the fusion reactor that can be converted into a nuclear bomb in TDKR. It's like something out of a Brosnan-era Bond film, but somehow were supposed to find it more believable because it's Morgan Freeman passing out the toys rather than Q.

My biggest gripe with the Nolan Batman trilogy (just got around to watching TDKR) is that, despite the fact they are supposed to be "gritty" and "realistic", all of them rely on some absolutely ridiculous technology as a major plot device: the microwave vaporizer in BB, the sonar spying machine in TDK, and the fusion reactor that can be converted into a nuclear bomb in TDKR. It's like something out of a Brosnan-era Bond film, but somehow were supposed to find it more believable because it's Morgan Freeman passing out the toys rather than Q.

I don't think anyone is saying those elements are more or less believable. They are simply great feats of technology, all developed by the greatest minds in this "world" and funded by the richest enterprise we know of in this "world". To simply say "oh they can't do that" in regards to the tech used is unreasonable considering the circumstances.

I went with both. Objectively I think Begins is probably the better movie, and I give a bit of the goofiness of the 89 version a pass because of the context of comic book films at the time, but combine the nostalgia with the imagery Tim Burton created of Gotham and it pulls it closer.

I don't think anyone is saying those elements are more or less believable. They are simply great feats of technology, all developed by the greatest minds in this "world" and funded by the richest enterprise we know of in this "world". To simply say "oh they can't do that" in regards to the tech used is unreasonable considering the circumstances.

That sounds like an excuse/cop-out to me. At what level would people be willing to say "holy ****, this is unrealistic as all hell"? The diamond-powered laser from Die Another Day? Dr. Octopus' fusion reactor from Spiderman 2? Something from the X-Men?

It just seemed like for something that was being marketed so much on being gritty and so on, they went way down the gadget rabbit hole.

I say Batman begins, but as a huge fan of the Batman comics (have read literally hundreds; don't read anything that isn't Bat-family) I still don't think there's been a film that has really captured Batman the right way. Nolan's films were more about Bruce Wayne, and they did pretty well with the character, but Batman, IMO, hasn't been done full justice yet.

That sounds like an excuse/cop-out to me. At what level would people be willing to say "holy ****, this is unrealistic as all hell"? The diamond-powered laser from Die Another Day? Dr. Octopus' fusion reactor from Spiderman 2? Something from the X-Men?

It just seemed like for something that was being marketed so much on being gritty and so on, they went way down the gadget rabbit hole.

It's gritty and the series takes a more realistic approach than most superhero films before it did, but the source material is still a comic book. The usage of "film physics" is pretty much unavoidable in the genre.

I voted for both but for those who are to young to remember the buzz around 1989 Batman was like nothing I've seen before or since.

Everyone was wearing Batman T-shirts & hats. The Prince 'Batdance' song was in heavy rotation on the radio and the same for the video on TV. People were getting the Batman logo shaved into their head. The merchandising was insane! I don't think I'll experience that level of buzz about a movie ever again.

I'm to young but I imagine it was probably a similar phenomenon in 1977 when Star Wars came out.