I'm not mad, you just suck at lifting and give people ****ty advice. Your 275 pounds and have never squatted 500. You claim bar position depends on the program. LOL. Not even close. Its all about how people are built, what bar they are using (nobody squats low bar with a Mastadon bar). Rarely is there a multiply lifter that squats low bar. You also tell people powerlifters NEVER front squat. Another dumb comment. You are clueless, which is why your own numbers are thoroughly pathetic.

Stop being so ****ing cocky.

Chilled- Its not a natural motion for your knee/leg and therefore isn't good for the general health of them. If you want to hit your quads, find something free weight and compound.

Ok, curious why not ? Anything else to do ?
I normally do it right after dead lift .

Eh, in general I just think machine training is wack. There are so many great ways to use your body, it just seems dumb to strap yourself to a machine. Not to mention if you want to talk about stressing the knees...

If you're looking for quad development you could do your front squats after your deads.

I'm not mad, you just suck at lifting and give people ****ty advice. Your 275 pounds and have never squatted 500. You claim bar position depends on the program. LOL. Not even close. Its all about how people are built, what bar they are using (nobody squats low bar with a Mastadon bar). Rarely is there a multiply lifter that squats low bar. You also tell people powerlifters NEVER front squat. Another dumb comment. You are clueless, which is why your own numbers are thoroughly pathetic.

Stop being so ****ing cocky.

Chilled- Its not a natural motion for your knee/leg and therefore isn't good for the general health of them. If you want to hit your quads, find something free weight and compound.

You should take your own advice. Multiple times you have taken things I have said out of context, for the sake of being augmentative. You seem to have some creepy obsession with proving me wrong. I'm not really sure how I "suck at lifting," care to explain that one?

What I was saying regarding varying types of squats, is that most places/resources regarding powerlifting are going to instruct people on a low bar style squat.

Rippetoe:

EliteFTS:

Louie Simmons:

And here is a video of some great powerlifters...look at all those high bar squats

It's not a far stretch to think that a newer athlete who is doing some general research regarding squatting/powerlifting is going to encounter low bar style as "the right way to do things."

Perhaps I should have been more clear for those people on the boards (read: you) who are going to take everything so literally.

Either way I still stand by the position that a traditional high bar/narrow stance will have greater transfer to an increased vertical, due to a similar foot position, and greater recruitment from the calves.

I also appreciate you bringing up the fact I've never squatted 500lbs. Funny thing is, I've never claimed to. I'm glad you're a positive member of this community, ****ting on me because I only squatted 455 for a triple, ass to grass, raw, after coming off of a long hiatus due to injury.

So I'll just keep giving people "****ty advice" that has helped over 350 people in the last two years lose weight, double their squat and dead numbers, learn how to snatch, clean and jerk, win tournaments, come off medication for blood pressure and cholesterol, help people feel sexy in a wedding dress, improve mobility, decrease chronic joint pain, and a ton of other ****. And you can just keep doing whatever it is that you do.

The reason why I mention the things you say is because you say it like it's the end-all be-all and there is no other way to it. Yes there are great low bar and high bar squatters in every form of gear or non gear. But the program will never determine the way a lifter keeps the bar on his back.

455x3 "ass to grass", isn't that impressive. I remember you posting a video before of your squats and it wasn't that low. Not as low as you claimed it to be.

That's great you help other people out, I said that when I tried to keep this to PMs, but any abundance of general nutrition and weightlifting advice can do that. I've put 100 pounds on peoples raw squat in a couple months...nobody cares. I have first place kids I coached to get there. Proves nothing...

There are a million ways to do things, not just your way and until you can understand that you'll never be a great coach

The reason why I mention the things you say is because you say it like it's the end-all be-all and there is no other way to it.

I'm sorry if you take it that way. I think everyone is opinionated, and sometimes I probably don't bother to take the time to be totally clear. My bad. But again you seem to really dissect everything I say, which I don't get.

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

455x3 "ass to grass", isn't that impressive.

Cool story bro. I didn't say it was, but don't call me out on not being able to squat 500, when I squatted 455x3 pretty easily. 500 wasn't that far away, and I had not been dealing with bull**** medical issues, I would have crushed it by now. Either way saying anyone that has squatted 400+lbs at any body weight is "pathetic" just makes you a dick. True lovers of the sport don't **** on each other for their accomplishments, regardless of how they rank in the big scheme of things. If it makes you feel any better I hold state records in PL from when I was a teenager, and have squatted 420 for a triple on a box at 177lbs bw. Is that impressive enough for you?

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

I remember you posting a video before of your squats and it wasn't that low. Not as low as you claimed it to be.

Really? How much lower do you want me to go? My hamstrings are touching my calves at the bottom of those reps. I don't have 455 uploaded, I'll put it up tomorrow, and I promise they are every bit as deep.

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

That's great you help other people out, I said that when I tried to keep this to PMs,

And what were you hoping to accomplish with your PM exactly? Being an ******* and insulting me is a great way to get your point across.

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

any abundance of general nutrition and weightlifting advice can do that. I've put 100 pounds on peoples raw squat in a couple months...nobody cares. I have first place kids I coached to get there. Proves nothing...

So I just magically happened to help hundreds of people with what according to you is incorrect information? Don't tell me I suck at my job and then downplay it when I've actually helped a lot of people. Sounds like you've been working with a lot of young, healthy, athletic people. Go coach a 50 year old woman, who thinks that healthy eating is low fat and lots of pasta, that's scared to touch a weight and has a "bad back, hip, knee and wrist." and then come talk to me.

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

There are a million ways to do things, not just your way and until you can understand that you'll never be a great coach

Once again maybe you should take your own advice. Not that I feel the need to explain myself, but the majority of my free time is spent reading books. Not t-nation articles, not "informative e-news letters." Text books. Why? Because you can never know enough about the human body.

So let's just quickly recap
-You nitpick the things I say
-I don't bother dealing with your bull****...again
-You get mad and send me a PM telling me how "pathetic" I am.
-I decide to get a laugh and post what you said here
-You insult me again and try to call me out
-I post to clearly explain what I'm talking about
-You breeze over everything I said, not acknowledging my point, and continue to discredit me, and belittle my accomplishments both personally and professionally.
-You try to give me some backhanded compliment under the guise of some superior wisdom you have.

idk man, I used to think you were an alright dude, but lately you've just been a ****ing prick.

I think both of you are pretty helpful, and great contributors to the forums, so if you could both nut up and take this to PMs/e-mails/etc so you guys don't get banned or get the thread shut down that would be great.

As far as progress in the progress thread, I got 275 8*3 on squats on Tuesday. Pretty stoked. Most I have ever repped at that weight. Felt good too. WAs annoying because I had someone work in for the first 4 sets and they were doing 135, and then someone else work in the last two sets. AND, that asslick put the 35 on instead of the 25 for my last set. Luckily I noticed it when I unracked the bar.

If you're looking for quad development you could do your front squats after your deads.

I can barely stand after doing DL ....
I used to do the Hip sled but dropped that 100% .

Chilled- Its not a natural motion for your knee/leg and therefore isn't good for the general health of them. If you want to hit your quads, find something free weight and compound.

As In ? - Details man a link or something .

- Front Squat 315x5 Last night .

Because the machine puts you in a position where 100% of the load is supported by the knee joint while the other muscles in the leg remain relaxed. Having the resistance applied to the foot, creates an unbelievable amount of sheer force on the knee joint. This will force your knee cap to press down on the joint and can damage cartilage , and is also dangerous for the ligaments of the knee.

Because the machine puts you in a position where 100% of the load is supported by the knee joint while the other muscles in the leg remain relaxed. Having the resistance applied to the foot, creates an unbelievable amount of sheer force on the knee joint. This will force your knee cap to press down on the joint and can damage cartilage , and is also dangerous for the ligaments of the knee.

So what do you suggest other then front squats to do the same type of work ?

You look to be squatting high bar, can't really tell because you are a bigger guy and the angle. Looks like an OLY squat. Now, you squatting A2G, isn't really A2G...That is depth in Leaky and I's fed. Now looking at your leverages you can squat either high bar or low bar. You chose high bar. You can see how much your knees shoot forward in the hole for you to hit depth, thats not good. I understand that with OLY squats the knees come forward, but this isn't as natural. It doesn't matter how "big" you are. YOU would benefit from healed shoe. Contrary to popular belief a healed shoe (wood or steal soled) will help you SIT BACK more with your style of squatting. Now if you were sitting back more, and still going down, you could get another inch or so of depth. THAT would be ass to grass.

Now if that is low bar (which if it is, its not traditional low bar, but thats not a bad thing just hard for me to see) then you squatting wide and knees forward is not good. Doesn't allow you to make best use of your leverages. You can sit back more than that. Which again will help you get lower.

Originally Posted by Chilledman

I already do lunges on Wednesday and Saturday .
- Might try step ups if it wasnt for only chicks doing it ....

so you are hitting your quads a lot. Find something to work your glutes and hams. This is what will increase your squat and pull.

Split things up if you want to have a "front side" and "back side" day in simplistic terms. If things are too easy go on elitefts and buy bands and put them around your head (usually doubled for back extension), There are also a million variations of good mornings. I know you weren't looking for anything hamstring involved, but this is what will make you stronger and make your lifts go up.

Oh and anyone who watches that ELITEFTS video, please dont ever box squat like that. Watch the louie simmons one he posted. THAT is box squatting. Notice the releasing of the hips on the box, and not that touch and go bull****. Touch and go does close to nothing for you. Releasing the hips while holding an arch does. Works explosive power.

You look to be squatting high bar, can't really tell because you are a bigger guy and the angle. Looks like an OLY squat. Now, you squatting A2G, isn't really A2G...That is depth in Leaky and I's fed. Now looking at your leverages you can squat either high bar or low bar. You chose high bar. You can see how much your knees shoot forward in the hole for you to hit depth, thats not good. I understand that with OLY squats the knees come forward, but this isn't as natural. It doesn't matter how "big" you are. YOU would benefit from healed shoe. Contrary to popular belief a healed shoe (wood or steal soled) will help you SIT BACK more with your style of squatting. Now if you were sitting back more, and still going down, you could get another inch or so of depth. THAT would be ass to grass.

The only thing we learned is you don't know what an Olympic style squat is. Because that is not it.

Thanks for the tip about the shoes...oh wait I already own two pairs (VS. and Pendlays). I just happened to not be wearing them in this video, since as I stated before I was just coming back to squatting, and my new kicks hadn't arrived yet. And yes it matters how big you are. When you have a bigger hamstring, it's going to make contact sooner, at which point going much deeper is going to press into your lower leg, which is part of the cause of my knees shooting forward. Along with being a quad dominant lifter.

The only thing we learned is you don't know what an Olympic style squat is. Because that is not it.

Thanks for the tip about the shoes...oh wait I already own two pairs (VS. and Pendlays). I just happened to not be wearing them in this video, since as I stated before I was just coming back to squatting, and my new kicks hadn't arrived yet. And yes it matters how big you are. When you have a bigger hamstring, it's going to make contact sooner, at which point going much deeper is going to press into your lower leg, which is part of the cause of my knees shooting forward. Along with being a quad dominant lifter.

I'm not sure why you are being so defensive.

You have a high bar position and your knees shoot forward, if they were closer together it would mimic an olympic squat. regardless of whether it is a "really high bar" position or a "high bar" position.
I was once a high bar quad dominant lifter too...it places limitations on you. I understand that isn't an olympic style squat, I'm more so referring to bar position. Ok it matters how big you are, well if my knees shoot that far forward thats about the lowest I can go. That doesn't make it ass to grass.

If you have limitations due to form and technique, thats on you. But its not that low.

True lovers of the sport don't **** on each other for their accomplishments, regardless of how they rank in the big scheme of things.

Just wanted to comment on this because it gave me acid reflux. Powerlifters may be some of the coolest, most helpful people in person but online, many of the same people who are sweethearts in person, turn into the most jealous, angry and petty retards you'll find anywhere. Which is why I haven't visited a powerlifting forum in at least 5 years.

Gee I don't know...maybe because you've been insulting me as a person, athlete, and coach for no reason other than you have a different view point of things than I do?

Originally Posted by autodubbin98

I was once a high bar quad dominant lifter too...it places limitations on you. I understand that isn't an olympic style squat, I'm more so referring to bar position. Ok it matters how big you are, well if my knees shoot that far forward thats about the lowest I can go. That doesn't make it ass to grass.

Again, you're nitpicking in hopes to save face. It's below parallel, and it's as deep as I can squat with my hips back. There is absolutely no point in me going any lower. If I were truly O squating I can sit my ass right onto my calves.

Just wanted to comment on this because it gave me acid reflux. Powerlifters may be some of the coolest, most helpful people in person but online, many of the same people who are sweethearts in person, turn into the most jealous, angry and petty retards you'll find anywhere. Which is why I haven't visited a powerlifting forum in at least 5 years.

the powerlifting gym i was at was full of jealous, slack jawed morons that had ****ty jobs and retard strength. god forbid someone at your gym have a white collar job and have to wear a shirt and tie to work. basically, if you made over 25 grand a year it intimidated them and they didnt want to help you even though you were nothing but nice and there to learn and were doing deadlifts when it was 28 degrees inside the gym and everyone else took an off day.

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the powerlifting gym i was at was full of jealous, slack jawed morons that had ****ty jobs and retard strength. god forbid someone at your gym have a white collar job and have to wear a shirt and tie to work. basically, if you made over 25 grand a year it intimidated them and they didnt want to help you even though you were nothing but nice and there to learn and were doing deadlifts when it was 28 degrees inside the gym and everyone else took an off day.

Ouch... I've been pretty fortunate that the guys I've met are all really pleasant in person, including the sport's "elite". One guy even put me up in his house when I came down for a meet - kicked his daughter out of her room to give me a place to sleep. But then the same guy later blew up on me online for absolutely no reason, calling me names like I just knocked up said daughter. Testosterone, meat-headedness and anonymity don't add up to love and peace.

Weight: 205
Bench: 1 set of 5 @ 180
Squat: 1 set of 5 @ 230
I haven't dead lifted before today, so I kept it light to try to get the feel for it. I like the idea of this thread, hopefully it stays on topic. I'm trying to find out what this body is capable of doing and I'm really motivated. Not much of a resolutioner, as I've been in the gym for a few months steady now, working it into a habit. Just started reading in here and getting really interested in real lifts.