re: Will the backlash from the public about "Pelicans" change Benson's mind?

quote:Look at how the polls are administered and the sample sizes. Then think about who the websites attract. It's easy to say it just get, you know, everybody.

Untrue.

Discredit all you want. They asked SPORTS FANS IN LOUISIANA! ESPN's demographic is sports fans. The Hornets demographic is sports fans.

quote:This is not being disingenuous. This is understanding how data is gathered, processed, and analyzed.

I disagree. Totally discrediting the polls is disingenuous, and that's what you are trying to do.

quote:The unscientific poll might be right, just like the person who always says "heads" might be right when I ask him what side landed face-up when I flipped a coin. That answer, even if right, contains no information. These polls are not nearly as extreme as that, but this is far from being clearly coupled to the signal.

What? I repeat...WHAT? That's apples and turnips. A coin flip is a mere matter of chance. A poll is a gathering of opinions. I can't think of a much worse analogy.

quote:Additionally, these things tend to be time-varying. People react poorly to many kinds of change at first, then the reaction subsides to a degree.

When did you get your PhD in Sociology, again? Was that part of your thesis?

quote:The long-term effect is much more important for a rebrand.

You mean information that is 100% unavailable at the present. Yeah, we should ignore tangible reaction for what MAY become a reaction in 15 years.

quote:These polls, therefore, contain less of the actual relevant information than they do of the short term, more irrelevant information.

They contain 143 billion times more relevant information than talking about what may be in 15 years. I made up that 143 billion because there is no way for you to disprove it.

re: Will the backlash from the public about "Pelicans" change Benson's mind?(Posted by TigerinATL on 12/7/12 at 12:49 pm to hugo_boss)

quote:hose are the people that are sniping at people for having a differing opinion

No one is sniping at people with different opinions, they are sniping at Jester for being his usual contrarian, scorched earth self. I don't think anyone here is pro Pelicans as much as they've talked themselves into accepting the inevitable and are encouraging others to do the same.

re: Will the backlash from the public about "Pelicans" change Benson's mind?(Posted by Jester on 12/7/12 at 1:14 pm to TigerinATL)

quote:No one is sniping at people with different opinions

This is just not true.

quote: they are sniping at Jester for being his usual contrarian, scorched earth self.

Sorry, but I'm not being a contrarian . I genuinely do not like the name and it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else's opinion. I just think it is extremely lame.

Furthermore, a "contrarian" opposes the majority view. Based on all data that I have seen, those who like the name and are defending it so vociferously are opposed the majority and are more accurately described as contrarians.

re: Will the backlash from the public about "Pelicans" change Benson's mind?(Posted by Jumbeauxlaya on 12/7/12 at 1:17 pm to Chad504boy)

quote:Pelicans takes a while to sit and digest. I never really gave a shite about "the masses" thoughts. Usually the masses are fricking ignorant. If you think its not fierce enough, cool enough, or local enough, then i pity your thoughts. Its a great name and I think would work out wonderfully given some time just like any name needs. New York Knickenbockers... oh man thats the best in the world... and its not great name just cause it had the ability to be shortened cause there's nothin cool about the word knick in and of itself.

Damn you people are dumb, the masses are the consumer of your product.

An excerpt: "Sometimes a new educational practice arouses much resistance. After it has been established, perhaps with some persuasion and coercion, it becomes as resistant to change as was its predecessor. The familiar is preferred."

Clearly, this little paragraph, nor any single paragraph or paper, does not address everything here, but it does show that someone with a Ph.D. thinks that resistance to change erodes over time.

You can choose to check what I'm saying if you disagree with it or just claim it's not true without basis. I know you really believe what you are saying, and I really believe what I'm saying (so I'm not being disingenuous).

You can consider what I'm saying and taking the time to type out to you or not. That's up to you. Others have the same option.

re: Will the backlash from the public about "Pelicans" change Benson's mind?(Posted by 42 on 12/7/12 at 1:33 pm to Jumbeauxlaya)

quote:This is a stupid arse argument, everything gets more attention immediately after being released. I'm not still running around saying SAINTS ARE THE BEST WE WON THE SUPERBOWL from two years ago.

The discussion wasn't about attention. The statement was about the negative reaction. Some things have negative reactions that do not fade, say, to murder. People don't just `get behind' murder.

However, to changes like changes in a team's name, the reaction tends to fade. As a result, people quit discussing it, sure. As you point out, there are other reasons not to continue to repeat the same thing over and over again, and failure to stop talking does not mean the reaction has lessened or not. therefore, the `attention' is irrelevant.

The long-term reaction to this change that is stable (the Saints being `the current champ' is not a stable condition) is what is important to the branding and the short term reaction does not necessarily reflect the long term reaction to it.