OBAMA:- From AIPAC to Gay-Pack

Is Obama gay or not? We don’t know the answer, Newsweek says he is the ‘first Gay president‘ and brother Nathaniel seems to agree.
But does it matter? Obama didn’t have to be a Jew in order to subscribe to AIPAC pressure, he probably doesn’t have to to be Gay in order to fund his next election campaign by gays. What is more significant here is the transition of American lobby politics. American politics is now navigated by some tiny marginal lobbies that do not reflect the culture and the spirit of the entire nation.

Is Obama a homo-/bi-sexual? I could not care less. In fact the more excited Brother Nathaniel became in his enthusiastic disgust with the detailed description of the mechanics of anal sex the less relevant it became.
I resent the oxygen that’s consumed by this question instead of “Is Obama a war criminal?” and “Is diverting billions of taxpayers’ dollars to a foreign state”s “defense” treason?”
From a strictly legal p.o.v. marriage is the state’s permission for the partners in a union to have certain rights–inherit each other’s assets and Social Security benefits (not a small thing in a country that has no proper pension system), visit each other in the hospital as 1st degree relatives, etc. I say, let them.
Those who are offended by homosexuality on religious/moral grounds might consider some pluses to allowing homosexuals to fade into the majority:
— No more need for “gay parades” and in-your-face militancy for equal rights therefore less visibility (a plus for those who think it is contagious)
— No more blackmail of homosexual politicians by anyone (including agents of a foreign power–see NJ governor )
— Less time wasted on the claim that homosexuality has a preferred ethnicity and more time devoted to a preferred ethnicity’s preponderance in world finances and politics.
As the First Jewish President Obama GIVES Israel more money than ever before. As the First Gay President Obama GETS more money than he ever got before from homosexuals. I see a nifty possibility here: restrict Israel’s aid to money donated by homosexuals.
“American politics is now navigated by some tiny marginal lobbies”–True, except that some of the “tiny” ones are extremely powerful.
If the US President is incapable of being the president of the nation then perhaps 365 issues of most importance for the nation should be delineated and he can president of each for a day.

Laura, regarding the link you posted, for a list of Jewish homosexuals and homosexual activists we should always rely on Jewish sources because, as I have said before, nobody counts Jews more carefully than the Jews themselves.
wikipedia is such a source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_Jews
“This is a list of LGBT Jews. Each person is both Jewish (by ancestry or conversion) and has stated publicly that he or she is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered, or identifies as a member of the LGBT community.”

I do not believe that Jews are advancing the homosexual agenda with the goal to subvert the morality of the nation/world. It is too much of a universalist goal.
More in keeping with the Jewish tribal policies they seek to make the larger environment safe and propitious for a subset of the chosen. Just as they did not push the Vanik-Jackson amendment out of a thirst for universal human rights, to save people from the SU, but to “save Soviet Jews.”
The chosenness is seen in the exclusivist nature of the homosexual organizations from the biggest, the most impressive:

“The World Congress of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Jews: Keshet Ga’avah consists of around 50 member organizations in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Mexico, The Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The World Congress holds conferences and workshops representing the interests of lesbian, gay, bisexual, & transgender Jews around the world.”http://www.glbtjews.org/

http://gayjewishdating.com/
This one is amusing: Goyim are trying to break in, one laughably describing himself as “Catholic Jews,” another pleading that he a Christian but supports Israel…

Talmudic arguments are deployed to make it possible for homosexual Jews to inhabit a “gay religious Jews” niche:
“How can you be gay and Jewish? Doesn’t the Bible forbid homosexuality?”
the issue is much simpler: any prohibitions which may exist are historical in nature and far less important than conscience, ethics, culture, and other values. The law evolves, or doesn’t matter anyway.”
Too bad the same rationale is not applied to the racism that is “historical in nature”http://www.zeek.net/jay_0409.shtml

A resourceful rabbi has come with a brilliant plan:
“Rabbi Arele Harel offers an unconventional solution for Orthodox Jewish gay men who want to raise a conventional family: He fixes them up with Orthodox lesbians.” (Jewish intentional humor takes a beating from the unconscious one)http://www.theblaze.com

Ariadna, i agree, the issue is not whether Obama is Gay. Issues to do with marginal politics and minority lobbies are far more interesting than the president sexual appetite and preferences. (i guess i am in minority here…)

By the way, in The Wandering Who I differentiate between ‘the gay’ and ‘the homosexual’. While being a homosexual is a sexual preference, the gay is the transformation of this preference into a political act.

The binary relationships between homosexual/gay is therefore similar to the relationship between Jew/Zionist or Jew/AZZ…This correlation may explain Obama move between AIPAC to Gay-Pack.. he for some reason prefers to deal with marginal lobbies..

I like a lot of what Brother Nathanael has to say, but on this issue I have to agree with Ariadna. All his huffing over a trait that’s been in existence as long as humans have been on the planet is a bit silly and irrelevant. With all the wars, mass murders, and genocides going on in the world today, the notion that God–a supreme being with an entire universe to run–would agonize over what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom has always struck me as bizarre.

It’s true that the Old Testament condemns homosexuality, and that Paul appears to do likewise in the New Testament. But as a Christian, I ask myself what did Jesus have to say on the matter, and the answer is absolutely nothing. Now he had lots to say on plenty of other issues, of course. He was opposed to adultery, murder, lying, stealing, and he seems to have had an especially robust disdain for hypocrites, but nowhere do we find him saying anything about homosexuality.

He was opposed to adultery, murder, lying, stealing… ”
From what I know ,gays really do not value faithfulness and loyalty to one partner.
There are known for having, oftentimes,
a multitude of so-called “sex partners”,
not too mention they are oftentimes clients of clinics with venereal diseases ,and they are also known very well by proctologists.

“He was opposed to adultery, murder, lying, stealing… ”
That sounds about right to me.
But this……
“From what I know ,gays really do not value
faithfulness and loyalty to one partner…”
I get it, they want gay marriage so that they too can commit adultery?!!
“There are known for having, oftentimes,
a multitude of so-called “sex partners”…
So what, they’re not married remember.
Are you saying you believe that the ideal is one “sex partner” for life? If not, how many do you recommend?
“not too mention they are oftentimes clients of clinics
with venereal diseases ,and they are also known very
well by proctologists.”
From what you know searching, you’re obviously frequenting the wrong Gay Bars.
Not to end on a bum note, here’s a tune especially for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE

You may think he is wrong but you have no basis to say he is a liar.
Accept the possibility that neither of you is a liareither of you is a liar.

There are two major positions on this issue:
1. that homosexuality is CHOICE — a behavior of willful depravity and a sin and that the sinners could repent if they wanted to and stop being homosexuals.
2. that it is an INBORN inclination (like, say, left-handedness) created hormonally in the 2nd trimester of intrauterine life; it is not “normal” in the sense that it is a deviation from the biological norm but it is natural in the sense that it occurs naturally.

If you could ever countenance the second possibility perhaps all the info in the links you attach on health risks could stir in you a dose of Christian compassion rather than the castigatory reflex.
Think of it this way if it helps: through no fault of their own these people are inescapably attracted to their own sex and the only recourse is to use their alimentary tract for intercourse. A worse lot than that of the left-handed living in the right-handed world on the Earth which rotates from left to right, wouldn’t you say?

Are you fool me once’s personal spokeperson?? Why you have to always butt in even if you don’t seem to know what the problem is??
He is a lier because he dismisses facts about tremendous promiscuity and high amount venereal diseses among gay people.
Of course facts don’t work with both of you when it is convienient for you.
Insults, preaching of “Christian compassion” or empty rhetoric is the answer.

“Multiple Partners. Homosexuality is also associated with a higher number of lifetime sexual partners, which puts both men and women at an increased risk of disease. A 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavioral Surveillance found that gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientation was associated with having sexual intercourse before age 13, having four or more sexual partners in a lifetime, and experiencing sexual contact against their will.[vii]

MSM enrolled in a study published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2003 reported a median number of seven male sex partners over the previous six months, with 42.2 percent reporting 10 or more male partners.[viii] A 1997 study of young gay and bisexual men found that 91 percent reported an average of 43 male sexual partners in their lifetime.[ix]”

“You are a lier or an ignorant person.
Or both.”
@searching
Ha ha, BLAST OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! Trigger words, don’t ya just love ‘em?
What’s with all the insults?
I think it would be prudent of you to take heed of Ariadna’s words regarding compassion, for your Christ’s sake.
Why does it concern you so, what consenting adults do in the privacy of the bedroom?
Paul made, I’m sure he’ll graciously concede, a piss poor attempt, at trying to say there are “victims” because of homosexual acts between consenting adults, in the “Twice Blessed” thread, but Roy gently put him back on the straight and narrow.
Now, “old jew” Paul has his reasons for trying to conjure up a victim out of thin air, it’s par for the jew course, but what’s your excuse? Have you had a bad “experimental” experience you’d like to share?
10…9…8…7…6….
(psst searching, relax, we’re all consenting adults here, just having a friendly, truthful chit chat exploring the depths of our ignorance x)

“What’s with all the insults”
Those are not insults. This is simply the Truth, which you don’t like.
I was talking about ” tremendous promiscuity and high amount venereal diseses among gay people.”
You disagreed. I gave you plenty of facts supporting my statement.
Now you feel “insulted” because I did it,
and play an innocent , hurt , not -so-gayish, although still very ignorant lamb because of it .
Cheer up.
The world is gonna end anyway.

“Homosexual U.K. Documentarian Says Gay Lifestyle a “Sewer” of Casual Degrading Sex, Drug Abuse and Misery Simon Fanshawe is a writer and broadcaster who created the documentary “The Trouble With Gay Men” after becoming increasingly alarmed at the shallowness and destructiveness of the “gay lifestyle.” The film, made for BBC 3 television, questions the emotional and psychological immaturity, narcissism, nihilism and self-destructive tendencies of many in the homosexual community. Fanshawe says he wants homosexual men to “grow up” and get beyond their state of “extended adolescence.” …Extreme vanity” he says, has been “sewn into gay culture.” It “is now so mainstream in the gay community that otherwise intelligent young men are happy to be treated as sex objects on a demeaning meat rack.” …The documentarian asks the proprietor of a gay sex bath house, “Paul”, who had just related some graphic stories of group sexual encounters in the establishment, “Are we just swimming around in a sewer which we’re just sort of saying is normal?”…Fanshawe says he is horrified at the lack of emotional involvement and at the willingness of men to engage in “unsafe sex.” The film includes statistics that show the deadly consequences of the homosexual lifestyle. One in nine gay men in London is HIV infected and new cases of HIV have doubled in the city in five years. Incidences of syphilis have increased in the same time period 616 per cent. “Unsafe” sex, he says, is not the only way in which gay men are self destructive. “If there’s a new drug, gay men will find it and take it,” he states. At one point Fanshawe interviews a homosexual man who has “done all the drugs” and now campaigns in gay clubs against the growing use of crystal methamphetamine. The man, who could not be identified for fear of reprisals from drug dealers, said that crystal meth is preferred in the gay community because it reduces the inhibitions and allows sex to be brought to an “animalistic” level “devoid of emotion.” The film says that one in five gay men in London use crystal meth.”

Now the Leftis founded another, “opressed” by mainly “white, conservative, supremacists” group. A very sad gay group. Oy nad vey.
Poor gays.
Another holy cow of the Left, who gets bigger and fatter as we speak, and even more holy.
Nobody dares to criticise it because politically correct “brahmin caste” of the Left will stone you to death.
At least they will try to.
Since anti-Semitism becomes an old song now, less and less effective, now it’s time to start using a new version of a PC gag.
If you are anti-gay agenda, then you are an enemy of the State, a bogeyman that needs to be stopped and destroyed.
You deserve to be sent to gulag or even worse.
That’s how the Left operate, they have to find a bogeyman, and then loudly DEMAND to disavow, to destroy it. The Left is only tolerant of their own gurus and dogmas. They love free speach as long as it agrees with their main themes.

“Nobody dares to criticise it because politically correct “brahmin caste” of the Left will stone you to death.
If you are anti-gay agenda, then you are an enemy of the State, a bogeyman that needs to be stopped and destroyed.
You deserve to be sent to gulag or even worse.”

You do exaggerate for effect and you know that. You are creating that which you condemn: another oppressed group–this time, heterosexuality who dares not speak its name?

“Brother Nathaniel let himself down in this video.”
Agreed, but I also feel there’s a “Kings Clothes” moment up for grabs.
Is it just me or is this ex-jew, attired in christian regalia just taking the piss?
An Anti Zionist, Crypto Jew, Christian Zionist. Time will tell.
As you’re all giving him the thumbs up I’ll have to check him out a bit more, but going on his video above, he does come across like yet another attention seeking babbling bell end religious nut.

The way I feel now…If someone in my immediate vicinity were to say to me “I’m gay” I would kill him on the spot. For fear that if I let him live he might want to talk about it. Later I may relent. But much, much later. I’m gayed out.

My husband laughed and laughed whilst watching this video. He questions the idea that a taxi driver can summon the Senator of Illnois to come and show someone around town and that he just happened to have a pipe in his pocket and accepted the attentions of a total stranger in the back of a taxi whilst he was smoking crack. Surely the market for books about “I gave the President a ** must be saturated by now”?

So now we have to add is Obama gay to the list of is Obama American / a Muslim / Jewish / a coconut ? etc

The sad part of the story is that we have gotten so used to all those lies, scandals, immoral and unethical behavior of those, who are in a high power that it doesn’t even bother us.
Oh, just one more thing to laugh.
Oh , just one more thing that proofs that we are , as a civilisation, on a fast track to hell that happily watches Earthly matters. So far everthing as planned.
here are some very interesting info showing where we are at.http://vigilantcitizen.com/

To me Obama:
–is very likely the son of CIA assets, carefully “raised” and guided by forward-thinking sayanim who saw useful potential in this intellectually mediocre but sufficiently black law student (specializing in Constitution law, a sad later irony);
— had a carefully constructed political trajectory, starting as a “community activist” in Chicago, using Rev Wright (whom he threw under the bus later when he was deemed a liability) to make himself known among blacks, speaking for Palestinian rights (of which he has total amnesia now) because many of his constituents were muslims and then, after a short and uneventful stint in Congress (where he was absent more than present) Boom! superstar presidential candidate, instantly recognized by Wall Street as a BUY! option with a generosity never seen before.
–is a spineless, thoroughly corrupt functionary in the Goyisch executive branch of the ZPC
–a proud initiator of the drone wars, shredder of the Bill of Rights who tightened the police state surveillance, arrogated to himself the right to give orders to assassinate American citizens anywhere in the world on his say-so, and robbed current and several future generations of American taxpayers in order to give Israel for its “defense” more money than any of his predecessors.

Excuse me, when thinking of all this, should I pause to wonder and care whom or what he has sexual intercourse with?

One must remember when viewing Brother Nathaniel, and we discuss this somewhat yesterday, is to “cherry-pick” information that is pertinent. Brother Nathaniel is not a leftist. He is an orthodox Christian and as such adheres to views that are anathema to the Left. This is why what’s sorely needed is a movement to build a truly anti-Zionist/pseudo-free Left.

In other words to say “Brother Nathaniel let himself down in this video” is to ignore Bro Nate’s true ideology.

I think some aspects of the video are worthwhile, such as the arrest of Larry Sinclair after his revelations at the National Press Club and that this is yet another example of Obama’s waning ethics. However to suggest that this video should be about something else such as Obama “war criminality” implies that Bro. Nate never produced any such video. That implication is definitely incorrect. This video IS about a PARTICULAR issue that doesn’t conform to Brother Nate’s orthodoxy while important to him is at odds with the Left’s notions of fairness.

This video fits along with Bro. Nate’s video on White Christian America which is just as alienating and xenophobic from a Left-wing perspective yet still provides useful information.

I consider the pseudo-Left alienating and xenophobic. That’s their purpose to betray leftist principles. The Left is about justice and fairness.

Let’s stick with the issue at hand — gay marriage. The issue with Bro. Nate is that he views marriage in a spiritual sense between a man and a woman. Gay marriage is an affront to his world view.

As a Leftist, I accept that about Bro. Nate because I understand that is his ideological view as an Orthodox Christian.

However, getting down to brass tacks, the reality of marriage in today’s society is that it is the domain of the state. Anyone who was a “victim” of divorce knows this first hand and why gays would want to subject themselves to state authority is anyone’s guess.

Brother Nathaniel does not offer an analysis of the state’s role in marriage. However I do agree with his conclusion that America has lost a sense of spiritual direction but that’s because the facade has been lifted.

The confusion today and where Bro. Nate does offer guidance is his knowledge and understanding of Zionism.

Which Left you consider “about fairness and justice”??
The one that sent about 5 millions (1/4 of population of France at that time) French citizens on guillotine, during a few years of French revolution that should be rather called French massacre??
Or maybe the left that took over Rusia and started bloody killing tens of millions of its own citizens, rich and poor, women, men, children etc???
Or the Left that killed tens of thousands catholics during so called Cristero War in Mexico (1920-30)??
Or killing of tens of thousands catholics during so called Red Terror in Spain??
Or killing , jailing, humilitaing millions of people from so called post-war eastern Europena Soviet block plus Cuba , China, North Korea???

I don’t consider the Bolsheviks as representative of the Left. They used Leftist rhetoric in order to do the Wall Street Bankers bidding especially since Russia didn’t have a central bank and it was Russia that Lincoln consulted with before introducing the Greenback.

Cuba threw off the yolk of Batista and the racists thugs that controlled the nation. Ironically Castro approached the U.S. for assistance before he approached the USSR. After the revolution Castro offered not to confiscate the land of the elites so long as they assisted in the rebuilding of Cuba. Naturally many said “no” and fled to the USA.

Libya has established a direct democracy that took 10 years to construct (1969-1979) and lasted until 2011 before being destroyed by Zionist forces.

I can’t speak to China and DPRK as I don’t know enough about their respective histories to make any judgments. However I do support all nations right to sovereignty and to establish their own popular form of government — even if it is a dictatorship so long as it works for the general welfare.

What I can primarily speak to is my experience as a U.S. Citizen and to my belief of those values that represents the Left. As I previously mentioned, my experience with the “Left” (note the quotes) opened my eyes to the corruption of the Left.

So it looks like you have your own vision of the Left??
Bolshevics were not Left ??
So what they were??
Conservatieves, rigt wingers, christians??
“I do support all nations right to sovereignty and to establish their own popular form of government — even if it is a dictatorship so long as it works for the general welfare…”????
So her go your ideas of fairnes, justice and equality.
What works for general welfare??
Mao’s cultural revolution?? Tiananmen Square??
Starving of people in North Korea???

Let me put it to you this way searching because that is what you are doing:

Do you support DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM?

If so then, I presume you are an American, if not lets assume so:

[1] The United States labels itself a Democracy and have slaughtered Native Americans and enslaved Blacks and could care less about her poor.

[2] The Unites States labels itself a Democracy while during the past 10 years engaged in war that directly benefits Zionism all the while claiming it is bringing “Democracy” to the Middle East.

By your logic, searching, we all should abhor democracy and freedom. Just like you abhor the Left due to those who have likewise co-opted it.

I don’t. I’m at the point where I can see through the rhetoric. Especially the rhetoric that professes to be “Left”. I hope you can see the difference between democracy and freedom and those who co-opted these terms in order to service an anti-democratic, anti-free, and anti-Left agendas.

What we observe in America , especially within the last 10-20 years is a fake democracy, The term oligarchy or corporationism is a better world.
You know that. Democracy is only as a show for the brainwashed public, somebody else is pulling the strings.
What are you trying to prove it to me?? That there was a real democracy and freedom in Soviet Russia or any other Soviet countries?? You are talking about the “real Left”, but you can not even explain what you mean by “the Left”.

What are you trying to prove it to me?? That there was a real democracy and freedom in Soviet Russia or any other Soviet countries??

What I am trying to “prove” is that despite the fact that the leadership of the U.S. have co-opted the ideas of democracy and freedom and have murdered and oppressed people under the banner of democracy and freedom you STILL SUPPORT the ideals of democracy and freedom.

That is exactly the way I feel about the Left which represents the ideals of justice, equality and fairness. I refuse the allow the pseudo-Left define the Left just like you refuse to allow the USA to define democracy and freedom.

“some aspects of the video are worthwhile, such as the arrest of Larry Sinclair after his revelations at the National Press Club and that this is yet another example of Obama’s waning ethics.”

Agreed.

It is also just possible that some of the features (at least this one) you attribute to the pseudo-Left are not pseudo-left or Left in Europe while they loom much larger to Americans marked by their Puritan heritage [in the interest of disclosure of potential conflict of interest, I am European born…)
If Mitterand had been a US president he would have been indicted and booted out of office before his first term was out instead of the press and the public relegating his private life to the “his and no one else’s business” rubric. This was done with JFK too but the discretion of the press in his case had a different motive, i..e., fear of the public’s righteous indignation.
I don’t think Mitterand had a mistress for years (and a child out of wedlock with her) that everyone knew about, because he was a socialist, although he was. I trhink he was being… French

“This video fits along with Bro. Nate’s video on White Christian America which is just as alienating and xenophobic from a Left-wing perspective yet still provides useful information.”

Nobody imputes lack of consistency to him. I don’t find his views either alienating or xenophobic. It’s amply demonstrated in umpteen ways that just being the majority does not exclude oppression by a minority.

No matter how useful I find his views and activism, and I do, I consider time spent on Obama’s sexuality (or of any politician in a position to affect millions of lives around the globe) time ill spent.

No matter how useful I find his views and activism, and I do, I consider time spent on Obama’s sexuality (or of any politician in a position to affect millions of lives around the globe) time ill spent.

From the perspective of Bro. Nate who produced the video, I don’t think it was a waste of time from his ideological point of view nor from the standpoint of U.S. politics.

It is true that the issue of politicians sexual exploits are cynically used by the media in the U.S. depending on the whether or not the powers that be want to protect or destroy that politician. However sexual exploits (by usually male politicians) for many women seems to be a rather important barometer regarding faithfulness and abuse of power.

In the U.S. this issue is presented as a matter of trust and ethics. The axiom in the U.S. is that if a politician is unfaithful to his family then he’ll be “unfaithful” as a public servant. And with Sinclair arrest — abuse of power.

‘A New York Times/CBS News poll released Monday night shows the possible political perils of President Obama’s recent announcement that he supports same-sex marriage.
Most of those polled say the president’s position will not impact how they vote. But among those who say it will influence their choice, 26 percent said they are less likely to vote for Obama as a result, while 16 percent say they are more likely to.
Also troubling for the president is that a majority of voters suspect that his decision was politically motivated.
Sixty-seven percent said they thought Obama’s announcement was made “mostly for political reasons,” while 24 percent said it was “mostly because he thinks it is right.”
In another potentially damaging sign, 70 percent of Independents attribute the president’s move to politics, along with nearly half of Democrats.’

the poligarchy are a bunch of buggers, naturally, they’re hirelings would be as well. it’s not just the zionists, either, it’s been that way for a very long time – look up the bohemian grove annual get together (nixon described it as the “faggiest” thing he ever saw).

*nods* you make some strong points. The Whole Bohemian Grove thing is very very wrong. The obviously lure all the big-wigs down there and then get them “relaxed” and then entrap them in compromising postions.

Which gays does Obama care about?
The gays with money who step on each other in their eagerness to pay $40,000/plate to dine with him in Clooney’s mansion and donate millions to his campaign.
He certainly doe not care about Bradley Manning.
An excellent perspective form Pilger: