About the state of the game. (http://msn.espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0714/1405683.html)

SI1020

07-15-2002, 12:20 PM

Nice play on words Daver. Seriously though, it is hard to watch the greedy players and greedy, stupid and incompetent owners as they inch by inch destroy the game that some of us still love in spite of it all.

raul12

07-15-2002, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by daver
About the state of the game. (http://msn.espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0714/1405683.html)

is there any way we can get vincent back? anything to get a commissioner with half-a-brain back in the office. with bud as commissioner, even if we was the smartest man on earth, we will never see an agreement without some sort of work stoppage since there is no trust whatsoever between the owners and players. and for that matter, get rid of fehr too.

Tragg

07-15-2002, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by raul12

is there any way we can get vincent back? .

No. Because Fay had a brain and did a decent job is why he was removed from office.

Daver

07-15-2002, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by raul12

is there any way we can get vincent back? anything to get a commissioner with half-a-brain back in the office. with bud as commissioner, even if we was the smartest man on earth, we will never see an agreement without some sort of work stoppage since there is no trust whatsoever between the owners and players. and for that matter, get rid of fehr too.

Why get rid of Fehr,he is doing his job,and doing it quite well.

raul12

07-15-2002, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by daver

Why get rid of Fehr,he is doing his job,and doing it quite well.

same rationale for getting rid of bud even if he was doing a great job--there's no trust left. when that's the case, you never get a deal done without a strike--just look at any union negotiations, and you'll see.

Daver

07-15-2002, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by raul12

same rationale for getting rid of bud even if he was doing a great job--there's no trust left. when that's the case, you never get a deal done without a strike--just look at any union negotiations, and you'll see.

An independant commissioner would make great strides towards changing that.

DVG

07-16-2002, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by daver

An independant commissioner would make great strides towards changing that.