originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
How big is the gay community in Orlando, and is this bar famous, is it a popular spot to hang out, so many questions, my head hurts, so sad that so
many lives where destroyed by hatred.

Yes it is one of the most popular and largest gay bars in the area, so seems to me he targeted it

Yes, you have the legal definition of terrorism and then you have the people on the ground that experience the unofficial version of terrorism.. I get
it. Its not terror until the government tells you it was. 10-4..

I want to live in a world where people don't shoot (or otherwise kill/injure) other people, where people are free to be who they can dream of being,
where life is precious and not disposable. I want common sense, common courtesy, and common respect for all.

i get that and agree and want to dream too. But I'm a realist as well. And the realist sees that the opportunistic vultures, from the media coverage
to the any-excuse crowd are already circling and too many people are falling right into the trap. And frankly, that makes me rage. A raging dreamer.

Everyone is so eager to blame those they consider their "enemies" and it just makes me sick! This is a horrible tragedy and most people are thinking
only of attacking other posters for their perceived political affiliation.

The vest, the long distance from his home, and the ISIS warning make it seem at the moment more like a potential, planned, international terrorist
hit. It seems like to me if it were just a hate crime, he would have gotten a few buddies and just went and beat up some gays.

But killing 50+ people with an AR-15 and a vest on? That sounds planned, even if it was just one shooter. It's true we don't have all the facts yet,
but still. That's what it is sounding like to me.

ISIS is the enemy, this is true. They are Westboro Baptists with an arsenal, an army, excellent self-promotion skills and a socio-economic setting
that inspires desperate people to sign on. They are no more representative of Islam as a whole than Westboro is of Christianity as a whole.

Was this guy really part of the ISIS network? Or are they just happy he mass-killed gay Americans? (Unspeakable, what I want to say about that, just
unspeakable.)

Personally, I don't know if this was more about ISIS or more about hating gays. Reports are coming in that it was very well thought out, so not a
moment of rage. Terroristic Hate Crime? Sounds like as good a lable as I can think of...

What a horror.

ETA - looks like more ties to ISIS being brought out... So yeah, Terroristic Hate Crime

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