There is a sixth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space, and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears, and the sunlight of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area that we call, The Twilight Zone.

When people are depending on you & your input about something, so that it may come to completion… there is absolutely no excuse on earth to just ‘disappear & go totally silent’ unless you are dead, totally incapacited (physically or mentally), or lost in a remote wilderness area. No excuse at all.

It makes no difference if life happens, you lose interest, you get mad, whatever.

It takes about a minute or two to make a short post (in the case of BLF) or send an email saying you quit & pass the torch on to someone else.

My opinion:
1) No BLF member depends on this, I do not see why you see it like that. No one except Lumintop and Fritz have spent money on this and Toykeeper spent time writing firmware and testing a prototype, all other members have wishes and expectations and have a good subject to talk about (which why we spend time on BLF), but do not depend on this project.
2) For Fritz and most others this project is part of his hobby. Essential to hobby is that there are no obligations. If he feels like it he may disappear and go silent just like that, for any or no reason. It is a pity for Lumintop, Toykeeper and all other people who have hope for his continuing input, and a message explaining why is welcome (you’d be surprised how much effort it takes to write a simple message in a situation where people are so demanding as in this thread), but actually demanding anything is totally out of place.

If I had succumbed to all the people who more or less demanded things from me over the years on BLF I would have been stressed out in no time and have disappeared years ago, probably without notice. I try to help people out if they ask me for something, but if I do not feel like doing something I just do not do it, or take weeks to do it, or simply forget it. It is not my work, I do it for fun.

When people are depending on you & your input about something, so that it may come to completion… there is absolutely no excuse on earth to just ‘disappear & go totally silent’ unless you are dead, totally incapacited (physically or mentally), or lost in a remote wilderness area. No excuse at all.

It makes no difference if life happens, you lose interest, you get mad, whatever.

It takes about a minute or two to make a short post (in the case of BLF) or send an email saying you quit & pass the torch on to someone else.

My opinion:
1) No BLF member depends on this, I do not see why you see it like that. No one except Lumintop and Fritz have spent money on this and Toykeeper spent time writing firmware and testing a prototype, all other members have wishes and expectations and have a good subject to talk about (which why we spend time on BLF), but do not depend on this project.
2) For Fritz and most others this project is part of his hobby. Essential to hobby is that there are no obligations. If he feels like it he may disappear and go silent just like that, for any or no reason. It is a pity for Lumintop, Toykeeper and all other people who have hope for his continuing input, and a message explaining why is welcome (you’d be surprised how much effort it takes to write a simple message in a situation where people are so demanding as in this thread), but actually demanding anything is totally out of place.

If I had succumbed for all the people who more or less demanded things from me over the years on BLF I would have been stressed out in no time and have disappeared years ago, probably without notice. I try to help people out if they ask me for something, but if I do not feel like doing something I just do not do it, or take weeks to do it, or simply forget it. It is not my work, I do it for fun.

I’m not surprised “you do not see how ‘I’ see it like that”. We are talking about two different things.

Of course none of us ‘need’ this light. Did any of ‘us’ ask for this light, or was it presented & offered to us?
It is a neat light, but the sun will still rise if it never happens.
Your coming at this from the hobby aspect & I agree… nobody is ‘owed’ anything.

What I am saying is this, and it pretty much applies to anything in life. If I start something that involves others, I have learned to finish it OR have the common decency to at least tell those involved “I quit”, maybe even with no explanation. Don’t tell me that takes any effort at all to do.
It is simply the respectful thing.

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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant

I see both points here however after this amount of time (since 5/2017 when it was originally proposed) disappearing from posts all together with no update good or bad is disappointing. Hank proposed his idea of having a super throw version of the D1S and when he came to the conclusion that it was not feasible he came out and said sorry no go. If the light is having issues tell us. I think most if not all BLF members will appreciate communication in this regard.

Could it be manufacturing decisions determining that Fritz needed to make a design alteration regarding tube wear lead to a conflict, or at least varying views ?

Though precision is a concept that Chinese manufacturing has been learning to dominate very well, could the realities of hand made skilled craftsmanship find conflict with mass market production realities ?

I see both sides as well. My Emisar D4 does what this light is proposed to do, so it’s not like I’m going to be at a loss if this light never happens. This is a hobby for 99% of us so we definitely should respect other people’s decision if they go “cold turkey” and leave the hobby. Obviously we can’t force a member to make lights for us

For me, it rubs me that they still log in, possibly even reads this thread, yet refuse to chime in on anything. If Fritz hadn’t logged in since his last post in 2018, we could all assume he gave up the hobby, or worse, and we could move on. But every month when he logs in, we’re reminded he is still here, just chooses not to speak. Which for me, is frustrating considering how close to the finish line we are.

Someone mentioned disappointment.
It is indeed disappointing that this project seems to be grinding to a halt.
And even if it doesn’t grind to a halt, it’s disappointing there is little to no progress at the moment, and that the main players seem to have disappeared.

Needless to say that nobody is obliged to do anything they don’t want to do anymore.

I get that no one owes us anything. No money has been laid out, only a “I’m in for one”. You think that from a marketing standpoint, keeping us updated from time to time would be good business sense. Hundreds of requests already with no communication, just think what it could be with an occasional update.

Teacher, you aren’t old enough to remember that.
The light does look great.
I keep thinking how cool a 18650 light this small would be.
I sure hope it still happens.

I sometimes wish I weren’t old enough to remember cabfrank. .
IIRC, I think I would have been in about the 4th grade at that time.
Yep, those pictures are very impressive!! I’m hoping so too.
In fact, despite everything; I think it will.

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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant