I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

HotWingAgenda:I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

Last time someone tried to make a Wonder Woman anything, they turned her into a murdering, torturing, neocon mouthpiece, who was significantly less sympathetic than the villain. So yeah, I'm fine with nobody bringing Wonder Woman to the TV/movies for a while.

HotWingAgenda:I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

Well and now he's got a bit of the incest thing going on in the Ultimate universe.

spcMike:HotWingAgenda: I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

Well and now he's got a bit of the incest thing going on in the Ultimate universe.

HotWingAgenda:I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.He's been noble at times, but always reverts to character.

Kurmudgeon:HotWingAgenda: I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.He's been noble at times, but always reverts to character.

Something on him from Wikipedia:It has been revealed that one of the reasons for his abrasive and impatient personality is that it seems to him that the rest of the world is moving in slow motion and that he is constantly waiting for it to catch up. As he once explained, "Have you ever had a day where you are at the ATM and you are in a hurry because you're running late but the person in front of you doesn't know how to use the ATM and they're taking forever? Now imagine what it must be like to spend every day surrounded by people who don't know how to use the ATM."

Kurmudgeon:HotWingAgenda: I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.He's been noble at times, but always reverts to character.

I just wonder how they plan to explain where Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch came from in the Avengers sinve I'm sure they can't mention Magneto at all.

There's a great X-Factor story written by Peter David when X-Factor was a government task force and they were required to undergo mandatory psych evaluation after some big event - I think it was after Executioner's Song.

Pietro had a great monologue being an asshole to the yet-unseen offscreen doctor and giving him a hard time.

Suddenly he speaks clearly and explains it. He says, imagine being at an ATM line and there's an old lady who can't seem to figure out the machine. Other people try to help her but they're as slow as she is. You really need to use the machine. You can't go to other ATMs because every ATM available everywhere is used by these old ladies who are slow. You just want to scream and curse at these little old ladies for their inability to use ATMs like normal people. Instead of screaming and cursing or hitting these old ladies, he holds back. The only thing he can't hold back is his contempt for them.

And this has been his entire life - probably screwed up by his upbringing as well - but this is why he is an asshole to everyone, shows disdain for people and what they normally do. His ENTIRE LIFE has been this ATM line. Everyone else isn't as fast as he is, and everyone expects him to come down to their level unless they need him to go fast.

Then he switches back into being an asshole to the doctor.

It was a great issue. No combat, just the entire team talking during psych counseling.

Alphax:It has been revealed that one of the reasons for his abrasive and impatient personality is that it seems to him that the rest of the world is moving in slow motion and that he is constantly waiting for it to catch up. As he once explained, "Have you ever had a day where you are at the ATM and you are in a hurry because you're running late but the person in front of you doesn't know how to use the ATM and they're taking forever? Now imagine what it must be like to spend every day surrounded by people who don't know how to use the ATM."

Aboleth:Alphax: It has been revealed that one of the reasons for his abrasive and impatient personality is that it seems to him that the rest of the world is moving in slow motion and that he is constantly waiting for it to catch up. As he once explained, "Have you ever had a day where you are at the ATM and you are in a hurry because you're running late but the person in front of you doesn't know how to use the ATM and they're taking forever? Now imagine what it must be like to spend every day surrounded by people who don't know how to use the ATM."

Ninjaed by Alphax using the actual quote.

Yeah, but I had to use Wikipedia, since I knew nothing about the guy besides his name and close relatives.

You're correct, he is. I wonder if the movie makers will try to make Pietro more friendly for the movie screen.Then there's that whole thing where he and his sister the Scarlet Witch, were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, I wonder if they'll gloss over or ignore that while they are at it.

FTA: "However, he also suggested the characters would fundamentally oppose The Avengers, which is kind of the role Magneto plays in the X-Men films, providing the team with different views on their roles in society."

So they're going to be villains, at least for awhile, but they will never be referred to as mutants.

And apparently the only reason they're <i>saying</i> Quicksilver is in X-Men is because of some action set piece that utilizes his powers.

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

I just wonder how they plan to explain where Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch came from in the Avengers sinve I'm sure they can't mention Magneto at all.

I'll respond to this seeing Alphax covered the attitude problem quite completely.That is a good question, spcMike. I don't think the issue of Magneto having children was ever addressed in the movies.I hope this doesn't become a case where they mess with continuity for convenience sake.It's great we have comic book movies these days, I remember a time where it was considered childish and not profitable. However, if certain characters can't be mentioned due to whoever is doing the movie, it's just bad story telling.It's like leaving Gepetto or Jiminy Cricket out of Pinocchio because Disney sold the rights to Fox.

You know, if I were Bob Iger, "I would have already called up Fox and said "You guys ever want to see another dime of Star Wars money via distribution? Sell us the X-Men and Fantastic Four rights. We'll even cut you in on distributing those films too."/And toss in Serenity rights too while you're at it.

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

I, too, was on board with Josh Holloway a few years ago. He basically WAS Remy LeBeau on "Lost".

Currently? I don't know why, but Karl Urban immediately came to mind, at least for looks.Personality wise, Jon Hamm is always charming, is quite funny, and can at turns be menacing. Plus, you know, women love him.

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

I, too, was on board with Josh Holloway a few years ago. He basically WAS Remy LeBeau on "Lost".

Currently? I don't know why, but Karl Urban immediately came to mind, at least for looks.Personality wise, Jon Hamm is always charming, is quite funny, and can at turns be menacing. Plus, you know, women love him.

But neither of them can do the Southern charm thing like Josh Holloway. It's not something you can fake act because it's more of a cultural thing. You have to be raised in it in order to do it.

Gambit is really tricky character. Above all else, you really need the right actor or else he will not work. Like how Tony Stark would probably not work if anyone else but Robert Downey Jr were playing him. (RDJ can do that arrogant but vulnerable thing that prevents Stark from being an insufferable jackass.) For Gambit, you need an actor who oozes charisma and knows how to pull off that Southern gentleman thief. Basically, be a huge flirt and know how to turn what is a thief and occasionally murderer into someone you can't help but be charmed with. That's a tall order. You could have the best writer in the world but, again, if the actor isn't there, Gambit will come across as a creep.

Who do you think could pull Gambit off? I am having a hard time coming up with an actor that fits the bill.

I, too, was on board with Josh Holloway a few years ago. He basically WAS Remy LeBeau on "Lost".

Currently? I don't know why, but Karl Urban immediately came to mind, at least for looks.Personality wise, Jon Hamm is always charming, is quite funny, and can at turns be menacing. Plus, you know, women love him.

The Stealth Hippopotamus:I don't understand the following Gambit has. Good character! But a master thief with a heart of gold isn't that interesting, is it?

Is it the Bo staff? Maybe the accent?

He's a trickster archetype. Trickster archetypes are always extremely popular. Have been since people were telling stories.

Also, it doesn't hurt that he's sexy. He's popular among the women/gay men fans because of that. And if you read his latest comic series, the artists and writers know this because he is always finding himself in one scene or another shirtless or just naked.

All WB needs to do to get a good Wonder Woman movie (or good DC movie in general):

Pay the money, how ever much he asks for Bruce Timm to head it up. Give him total control. Don't question him. Don't second guess him. He knows this shiat better than any suit at WB. He would make a kick ass live action movie.

When I was in college and learned what a "Byronic hero" was, I immediately realized, "That's Gambit!". He had this sin or dark secret he was trying to atone for, he is sexually attractive to many, a great fighter - the only thing different is that Gambit tends to be a lot more devil-may-care and smile and laugh in the face of adversity (though in the 90's he did his fair share of Byronic brooding, between his Marauders secret and issues with Rogue).He's a fascinating character when a good writer knows this and explores it, without getting him bogged down in guild nonsense. The current run by James Asmus and, more recently, Mike Carey's take on him in X-Men Legacy have shown how much fun he can be with a great creative team.There is also a charm to his overal design (90's influences not withstanding) and his power set.

A lot of people can't get past the accent that several writers felt the need to anchor him with, and that's a shame.

/despite being the submitter, I didn't intend for this to become a Gambit thread, but here we are...

Sweet Chin Music:Marvel is getting Batroc the freakin' Leaper on screen before half of the Justice League even shows up. DC might as well change its name to EC, because they're clearly the extinguished competition...

FirstNationalBastard:Sweet Chin Music: Marvel is getting Batroc the freakin' Leaper on screen before half of the Justice League even shows up. DC might as well change its name to EC, because they're clearly the extinguished competition...

That's an insult to the real EC!

Bill Frist: Apos: Whoa.....Marvel has truly left DC in the dust.

Left? No one except a few nerds cares about any DC properties except Batman and Superman. Not really a surprise that those are the only two DC heroes with successful film adaptations.

Beyond those two, wonder woman, and Aquaman (as the butt of jokes), the DC heroes haven't sunk into the public consciousnesses much less been as popular, as X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, Spiderman, etc.

I always enjoyed DC Comics and characters more than Marvel.

Then, DC made sure the characters I enjoyed were rastified and rebooted, and the long-running books nearing the first 1,000th issue in comics history were restarted with #1.

And that's why I'll never buy a new DC Comic ever again.

Yeah, I was buying almost every DC title about ten years ago, and now...nothing.DC has let Bob Harras begin repeating the mistakes he made at Marvel in the 90'sOh look, Batman: Zero Year is getting an embossed cover. Justic League had 52 different covers...maybe the last issue of Vibe will be polybagged with some sweet cardboard shades!

Gaambit:FirstNationalBastard: Sweet Chin Music: Marvel is getting Batroc the freakin' Leaper on screen before half of the Justice League even shows up. DC might as well change its name to EC, because they're clearly the extinguished competition...

That's an insult to the real EC!

Bill Frist: Apos: Whoa.....Marvel has truly left DC in the dust.

Left? No one except a few nerds cares about any DC properties except Batman and Superman. Not really a surprise that those are the only two DC heroes with successful film adaptations.

Beyond those two, wonder woman, and Aquaman (as the butt of jokes), the DC heroes haven't sunk into the public consciousnesses much less been as popular, as X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, Spiderman, etc.

I always enjoyed DC Comics and characters more than Marvel.

Then, DC made sure the characters I enjoyed were rastified and rebooted, and the long-running books nearing the first 1,000th issue in comics history were restarted with #1.

And that's why I'll never buy a new DC Comic ever again.

Yeah, I was buying almost every DC title about ten years ago, and now...nothing.DC has let Bob Harras begin repeating the mistakes he made at Marvel in the 90'sOh look, Batman: Zero Year is getting an embossed cover. Justic League had 52 different covers...maybe the last issue of Vibe will be polybagged with some sweet cardboard shades!

Paul Levitz didn't always make the correct decisions. He spiked Warren Ellis's "Shoot" story from Hellblazer because of Columbine, pulped the Elseworlds 80 Page Giant because of the Superbaby story... he was very conservative.But, he kept DC from turning into Bob Harras's Marvel.

fusillade762:texdent: Maybe this will lead up to some big crossover event.

I don't think a Disney/Fox merger will sit well with anti-trust regulators.

At some point, Disney is going to just write Sony and Fox a check so big they can't refuse it, especially now that they keep putting out one billion dollar grossing movie after another. Either that,or suggest a co-production like the way Titanic got made, with each studio distributing one part of the multi-movie event. There's too much cash on the table to NOT figure out a way to do a massive crossover, so X-Men and Spider-Man movies become reliable billion dollar movies.

HotWingAgenda:I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

I hated Quicksilver for the same reasons, until one issue of (I think) X-Factor. After that, I completely sympathized with him. He's in a therapy session w/Doc Samson, who's trying to figure out why Quicksilver's such an anti-social asshole. His response is something along the lines of, "Ever been in a hurry and find yourself behind someone at the bank and they're fumbling trying to find their ID or hunt for a pen to fill out a check? Or in a grocery store where someone is digging for change and doling it out to the cashier, penny by penny? Is that frustrating for you?

Aboleth:There's a great X-Factor story written by Peter David when X-Factor was a government task force and they were required to undergo mandatory psych evaluation after some big event - I think it was after Executioner's Song.

Pietro had a great monologue being an asshole to the yet-unseen offscreen doctor and giving him a hard time.

Suddenly he speaks clearly and explains it. He says, imagine being at an ATM line and there's an old lady who can't seem to figure out the machine. Other people try to help her but they're as slow as she is. You really need to use the machine. You can't go to other ATMs because every ATM available everywhere is used by these old ladies who are slow. You just want to scream and curse at these little old ladies for their inability to use ATMs like normal people. Instead of screaming and cursing or hitting these old ladies, he holds back. The only thing he can't hold back is his contempt for them.

And this has been his entire life - probably screwed up by his upbringing as well - but this is why he is an asshole to everyone, shows disdain for people and what they normally do. His ENTIRE LIFE has been this ATM line. Everyone else isn't as fast as he is, and everyone expects him to come down to their level unless they need him to go fast.

Then he switches back into being an asshole to the doctor.

It was a great issue. No combat, just the entire team talking during psych counseling.

Dammit, that's what I get for not reading the whole thread!

But it's funny how we both remember a fairly obscure issue but it was a GREAT look into his character

brigid_fitch:HotWingAgenda: I haven't picked up an actual comic book since the 90's, but I remember Quicksilver as just being a whiny little emo biatch, who happened to be able to move fast. I can't grasp how that character could get tapped for two different movies, and yet there is nothing for Gambit, Age of Apocalypse, the whole Mr. Sinister storyline.

I hated Quicksilver for the same reasons, until one issue of (I think) X-Factor. After that, I completely sympathized with him. He's in a therapy session w/Doc Samson, who's trying to figure out why Quicksilver's such an anti-social asshole. His response is something along the lines of, "Ever been in a hurry and find yourself behind someone at the bank and they're fumbling trying to find their ID or hunt for a pen to fill out a check? Or in a grocery store where someone is digging for change and doling it out to the cashier, penny by penny? Is that frustrating for you?

"That's what it's like every. Second. Of. My. Life."

As for the Flash comparison, that's the major difference between the two of them... the Flash can turn his speed on and off. Quicksilver, though way slower than The Flash, is stuck at superspeed compared to everyone else.