Plenty has been said about Trump University since its namesake became the presumptive presidential nominee of the Republican Party. But there's something particularly galling about hearing how the scam worked from the horse's mouth—namely, one of the guys who was tasked with doing the scamming. James Harris, who claimed to have a background in real estate while selling Trump's seminars, was foolish enough to agree to a CNN interview today. In it, dogged questioner Drew Griffin twists the screws into Harris until he is visibly squirming in his seat.

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It all culminates with the moment that Griffin digs up a particular episode from court documents. It's an email Harris sent to a colleague, where he bragged about squeezing an old married couple for upwards of $30,000. That was just another piece of the pair's $100,000 goal—real estate acumen be damned. Considering Harris also choked up and refused to answer when asked about his claims of living in Beverly Hills, building extensively in Atlanta, Georgia, and knowing Donald Trump himself, maybe he deserves to squirm a bit more.