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So does water. And oxygen. The DDT harm has been disproven many times over. Spraying DDT in low concentrations in huts reduces the risk of Malaria by over 90%. (it kills mosquitoes and does not harm humans)

2. Scientific Consensus is a key component of Science.

Bullshit. Consensus is not fact based. The scientific method requires theory, proved through experimentation and then peer review. Consensus is a bunch of people getting together and agreeing that the theory sounds right, not that it is based on method.

3. Predicting: Is a key component of Science. If you cannot predict, you cannot prove form a Scientific Theory.

FIFY

A. Global Cooling Trends and Warming Trends are factually based. We are now in a Cooling Trend for the past 10 years, factually there prediction is correct, it is cooling. Debateable if what they say is the cause is actually the Cause and not merely Correlation.

Of course it’s debatable. Especially when the “scientific community” swears it’s man-made”. The causes of climate change are varied and unknown.

B. It is 100 percent factual statement that if global Population growth continues, at some point, there will not be enough space or enough biomass to sustain the population and we will have a die off. They are wrong on the timeline.
Growth is sustainable upto a point, just like life is. You get to a point and your body can no longer support itself and dies.

Holger on August 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Well, no shit. It’s not a leap of knowledge that an overpopulated system with limited resources is unsustainable. Were these Harvard grads?

When I see/hear her, I simply remember this 2 and a half Men episode which has a number of great quotes that fit her, imo – but the good one is at about 2:50 and thereafter (but there are good ones before that, too…

A. Global Cooling Trends and Warming Trends are factually based. We are now in a Cooling Trend for the past 10 years, factually there prediction is correct, it is cooling. Debateable if what they say is the cause is actually the Cause and not merely Correlation.

Kind of tortured syntax here, but you haven’t refuted my main point. Instead, you imply that the predictors can have it both ways.

B. It is 100 percent factual statement that if global Population growth continues, at some point, there will not be enough space or enough biomass to sustain the population and we will have a die off. They are wrong on the timeline.

Read.the.words.
I said “England” and “2000.” You said “global” and “at some point.”

B. It is 100 percent factual statement that if global Population growth continues, at some point, there will not be enough space or enough biomass to sustain the population and we will have a die off. They are wrong on the timeline.
Growth is sustainable upto a point, just like life is. You get to a point and your body can no longer support itself and dies.

Holger on August 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Well, no shit. It’s not a leap of knowledge that an overpopulated system with limited resources is unsustainable. Were these Harvard grads?

BacaDog on August 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM

It’s already been run, assuming no major wars, Socialist exterminations and the like, that the world population will peak around 2050, around 9.5 bln, then drop off dramatically. Around 5.5 bln by the end of the century. Birthrates have been dropping for decades, including in the Third World. It’s called prosperity. Due to free markets.

Allahpundit, aka Loki, the Norse god of mischief, is a master at getting us all to do what we know we really don’t want to.

MB4 on August 22, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Yep, MB4, you’re right, of course. AP did the same thing on the Marine’s vid thread, feigning not understanding the guy’s sarcasm when he thanked the congressmen for “letting” him keep his health care. Now the threads abuzz explaining it to AP. Sly guy, that AP.

1. It is known as a carinogen. It is xenoestrogenic, causes hormonal problems which can have drastic effects on the human body. It has a known endocrinic disruptor in lab rats and mice, epidemiological backs up the belief that it causes those same problems in people. It has been linked to neurological problems as well as Asthma. And Mosquito populations have developed DDT Resistance.

2. You are wrong on this. Scientific Consensus is a necessary component of the process. Consensus is fact based! It is an observed fact that a recent heating trend correlates to a rise in CO2 levels and the Industrialization of the Human Race. You don’t think Scientists believe something just on their fancy? No, Evidence produced has convinced them.

Them touting Scientific Conensus has nothing to do with Science, it has everything to do with Convincing Laymen, it is an appeal to Authority.

3. Falsifiability and Testability are Key components of Science. Otherwise it is Superstition. If you cannot test your hypothesis it is not Science. If you cannot hypothesize a set of circumstances disproving your Hypothesis/Theory it is not Science.

Science must be able to predict results. If your Hypothesis cannot accurately predict a future set of data, it is not yet correct.

A. The drivers of Climate Change are known. It is just unknown what is the primary driver in today’s climate. CO2 is the most abundant gas in Venus. CO2 is theorized as the cause of ending Snowball Earth.

B. Actually they are probably correct on New England. I doubt there is enough farmable land in New England to sustain New England’s population and growth.

Ehrlich was actually correct. He just didn’t see Borlaug giving India and Pakistan a god-send.

Yep, MB4, you’re right, of course. AP did the same thing on the Marine’s vid thread, feigning not understanding the guy’s sarcasm when he thanked the congressmen for “letting” him keep his health care. Now the threads abuzz explaining it to AP. Sly guy, that AP.

DrStock on August 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM

In Norse mythology, Loki is known as a trickster. He is described in the Prose Edda as a “contriver of fraud”. Although he doesn’t appear often in the Eddas, he is generally described as a member of the family of Odin. Despite his divine or demi-god status, there’s little evidence to show that Loki had a following of worshippers of his own; in other words, his job was mostly to make trouble for other gods, men, and the rest of the world.

Loki is known for bringing about chaos and discord, but by challenging the gods, he also brings about change. Without Loki’s influence, the gods may become complacent, so Loki does actually serve a worthwhile purpose.

I must confess, however, that I am not at all sure what worthwhile purpose he is serving with this thread.

I feel sorry for her, how lonely it must be to live with such any empty soul, one who can relate so easy with anger and hate, is missing the greatest gift of life.
Didn’t bother to even click on the link,,…hate is the biggest attention whore.

Hmmmmmmm. Lessee. Tattoos, sallow, pock-marked, complexion rife with zits and blackheads, stringy, oily black hair, ugly face framed by stupid glasses, flabby, unappealing body, a mouth on her that would be the envy of any sailor, constant, edgy and gratuitous comments about her political opponents..

I mean, is there anything more that this woman can do to make herself unpalatable?

Yep, MB4, you’re right, of course. AP did the same thing on the Marine’s vid thread, feigning not understanding the guy’s sarcasm when he thanked the congressmen for “letting” him keep his health care. Now the threads abuzz explaining it to AP. Sly guy, that AP.

Loki is known for bringing about chaos and discord, but by challenging the gods, he also brings about change. Without Loki’s influence, the gods may become complacent, so Loki does actually serve a worthwhile purpose.

I must confess, however, that I am not at all sure what worthwhile purpose he is serving with this thread.

MB4 on August 22, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Thanks for that explanation. Who wants to live in a one-size fits all culture in which everyone speaks and behaves the same within a narrow range? I don’t. I couldn’t survive that if it was strictly enforced. The same may well be true of you.

Thant being said, sometimes we oddballs are wrong and we can be irritating.

“This is neuroscience,” Garofalo continued. “This is not politics, this is neuroscience. It is purely limbic brain activity – this emotion over being angry that there’s a black guy in office, with the people showing up armed to the health care meetings – to whatever, the town halls. But it’s just, and these tea baggers. It makes me soul sick.”

Obviously, this says a lot more about Ms. Garofalo than it ever will about conservatives.

Also, it kind of makes me wish that there were some way that women could claim that no, she’s not really one of us, sorry, you gents have her in your column: she’s so lacking in candlepower that she personally drags down the IQ and scientific acumen of our entire sex. Harrumph.

Okay, you know what, I couldn’t even watch. I just haven’t reached that level of political maturity where I can watch this woman without my head literally exploding. I realize in the grand scheme of things she’s a non-factor, but I don’t know which is worse…that she actually believes the nonsense she espouses or that she does is to provoke. Either way, she makes me almost hate.

Typical lib ‘come-back’. “Where were you for eight years ?” I know many people who ‘assumed’ the government was looking out for us – I WAS one of them. I assumed everyone read the bills on which they were voting. I was very wrong and now I know it. So what if we weren’t out there eight years ago, or 16 years ago, or yesterday? The point is: WE GOT IT NOW SISTA’. And WE AIN’T GOIN’ AWAY!

Why do you hate us, AP? Are you trying to give us nightmares? No thanks.

But I did take the advice to visit NewsBusters, so they still got a hit from me. Now, I can safely go to bed knowing I have done a good deed and do not need to worry I’ll have nightmares about shrill shrieking tattooed freaks. Phew…

A Superiority complex comes from an actual inferior vision of ones self. She’s obviously a little more than just feeling inferior, otherwise she doesn’t need to put other people down to draw attention to herself continually. She is looking for someone to pet her and tell her she is smart (Comes off kind of desperate) I don’t know who got that job, but they got the short straw. I hope they are getting paid more than minimum wage. The right response is to ignore her behavior. Or she could just be a media ho’er looking for attention where ever she can get it :)

It seems like anytime leftist Hollyweird creates an alien world, they are always ruled by monarchs. I was checking out this Avatar movie that is coming out in December via Drudge links. It seams a crux of the plot is evil America attacks a peace loving alien society that is ruled by a monarch. I assume we are still a democratic republic in the 22nd century, so I take it the democracy bad, rule by the elite good.

read goldberg’s “liberal fascism”. he goes into detail about how and when the “progressives” started calling themselves “liberals”, essentially stealing the term beause “progressive” had some to have negative connotations.

it’s interesting to note that “progressive” is now being used again because the same screwed-up ideology managed to soil the term “liberal” after a few decades.

some things never change…

homesickamerican on August 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM

The Socialist propaganda machine churns 24/7. New words are invented for themselves and their opponents every hour of every day.

But the last actual IDEA they had was 160 years ago. It started out as a genuine economic theory. However, it turned out to be completely wrong.

Since that time it’s been nothing but a religion, absent any form of spirituality. This has allowed collectivists to turn proselytizing into a hard cold science, unencumbered by any form of morality whatsoever. This has allowed the most virulent sickness mankind has ever known to continue to grow despite all efforts to stamp stamp it out.

it’s interesting to note that “progressive” is now being used again because the same screwed-up ideology managed to soil the term “liberal” after a few decades.

homesickamerican on August 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again, I hope the statists gravitate to progressive title so we can reclaim the liberal title. Conservatism is the true home of liberalism (as it was known in the 18th century).

Ehrlich was actually correct. He just didn’t see Borlaug giving India and Pakistan a god-send.

I’m sorry. Ehrlich was dead wrong, because he assumed a closed system (i.e., one without opportunity for modification to the input parameters) where an open system (invention and innovation) had been on full display since the Renaissance, and throughout the Industrial Revolution.

Presuming something as simple as man being able to grow more food on the same footprint escaped Ehrlich. To his Malthusian discredit.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I hope the statists gravitate to progressive title so we can reclaim the liberal title. Conservatism is the true home of liberalism (as it was known in the 18th century).
WashJeff on August 23, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Dennis Miller said liberals can keep the word “liberal”. But we want the word “gay” back.

Unlike liberals, conservatives often feel bright and happy. But we can’t describe that feeling to liberals without making them even more even confused than they naturally are.