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1. They got Lebron. Luck.
2. He turned out to be good enough to drag them to the finals WITHOUT having to have much talent around him. Luck.
3. They had a $20 million in Shaq coming off the books, and in 2010-11 had their ONLY decent player (washed up Jamieson) injured and missed most of the season. Luck(ish)
4. Kyrie. Luck

....sure, the contract status of Shaq was huge, but having that come off the books AND Lebron leaving wasn't part of their rebuilding plan. If, when Bosh left, we'd had TONS of cap room and the worst record in the league for a couple years I'm sure we'd be better off. The fact that Lebron was SO good that they didn't even need an average roster around him in order to reach the playoffs doesn't show good decision making They've handled the assets they were dealt after the fact well.... but to have nearly $40 million come off the books because even an all-time great can't win with the roster you put together is far from good vision. It's honestly a unique situation.

When we are in rebuilding mode he should be getting rid of players and aquiring extra picks. It has the added bonus of making the Raps own picks higher.

So you want him to tank better. How did that work out for last year's Bobcats? If he tanked like they did, historically "well done" tanking, and still rolled craps when the chance lottery numbers came up, he would be blamed for something else. I get that he doesn't tank well, but there are no guarantees with the method you're advocating either. You used the Cavs as an example. They don't look too great either. It is a ***** of a job trying to lift an expansion team out of the mire.

So you want him to tank better. How did that work out for last year's Bobcats?

The Bobcats got the #2 overall pick and a player that is probably better then anyone on the Raps roster. They will also likely get a top 3-5 pick this year plus they have two other firsts either this season or next. So I would say its not working out too bad at the moment.

Originally Posted by ink

If he tanked like they did, historically "well done" tanking, and still rolled craps when the chance lottery numbers came up, he would be blamed for something else. I get that he doesn't tank well, but there are no guarantees with the method you're advocating either. You used the Cavs as an example. They don't look too great either. It is a ***** of a job trying to lift an expansion team out of the mire.

People always try to use this as a reason not to tank. "There is no guarantee", no ****ing ****, never said it was. I'll tell you what pretty much is a guarantee though. That trying to trade for middle of the road talent to build around middle round picks is not going to work. I did use the Cavs as an example, mostly for how they have managed to get good picks by tanking, #1 and #4 one year and #4 the next. Don't know if their gm is that good at drafting though so who knows how it will work out. But isn't that where having a gm who is good at drafting comes in handy? Use the skills you have BC.

The Bobcats got the #2 overall pick and a player that is probably better then anyone on the Raps roster. They will also likely get a top 3-5 pick this year plus they have two other firsts either this season or next. So I would say its not working out too bad at the moment.

yeah Kidd-Gilchrist is awesome. super jealous.

Originally Posted by nycericanguy

well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...