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QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 31 Oct 2012, 20:01)

In an enviroment with "splashy" Heavy AA, like RotR is, Kirovs in their original role would be near useless. (Slow moving airships with 0 atack range)

I always wished to see them as a heavy gun/machinegun platforms instead of bombers... or Tesla Kirov But well, I guess I'm going too far here....

I was thinking more about an airship like the Hunchback. Able to strafe from zero range while also armed with autocannons and stuff to attack from range. Also capable of performing other functions if necessary. Obviously with heavy armour, low speed, maybe even with RA3 gastroburners if the speed feels too low for generals. But yeah like I said what I was thinking is more or less like the Hunchback only with different stats. Pretty sure the team would do a far better job if this Kirov rumour ain't just a troll rumour.

But IMO something like Tesla Kirov would somewhat take away the fun of it being a Kirov.

There is always room for inspiration from the predecessors. Something tells me there are more RA similarities coming in the future. And that's a very good thing given they can fit in the ZH universe as new, unique, well adapted additions. Do note I am talking talking about inspirations, not literal copy-paste of units.

Or... is it by any chance only a problem if it's associated with tesla or something that sounds high-tech for sides other than ECA?

There is always room for inspiration from the predecessors. Something tells me there are more RA similarities coming in the future. And that's a very good thing given they can fit in the ZH universe as new, unique, well adapted additions. Do note I am talking talking about inspirations, not literal copy-paste of units.

Or... is it by any chance only a problem if it's associated with tesla or something that sounds high-tech for sides other than ECA?

Like you said inspiration . . . Not copy-->paste.So we really don't need a Kirov's. ROTR Russians have great balance now between Real life Russian Army and RA1/2 tribute,plus some its own new stuff.But as for Kirov's,Apocalypse Tanks,Mirage Tanks,they are trade mark of the old RA games,and should remain.And I am pretty sure they would not add it,maybe some other Zepppelin to some other side,but not Kirov,and not to Russians.

Yeah I am also pretty sure that ECA will have lot similarities with factions from old C&C . . .They already showed us Dogs,Minelayers,Harriers,Engineers . . . And I'm somehow pretty sure we will see more similarities like you stated.

And for your last one . . .No.It is great thing that Russia will have someone like Alexander,he just jumps out from other two Generals (although I can't wait to play with Tactical Balistics),and I am pretty sure that he will become one of the players favorite.

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QUOTE (simeon5541 @ 31 Oct 2012, 22:16)

ROTR Russians have great balance now between Real life Russian Army and RA1/2 tribute,plus some its own new stuff.But as for Kirov's,Apocalypse Tanks,Mirage Tanks,they are trade mark of the old RA games,and should remain.And I am pretty sure they would not add it,maybe some other Zepppelin to some other side,but not Kirov,and not to Russians.

Do note I not even once said or remotely hinted this "Kirov" needs to belong to Russians or needs to be called Kirov. Any airship that brings in Kirov's gameplay is "Kirov" in my book. Like the Sentinel already more or less brings Apoc's gameplay, GLA GPS scrambling already brings the gameplay functions of Gap generators. So there ain't any need to literally bring Apoc or Gap generators back. The way I see it they're already in the mod. Same goes for Kirov. If any airship brings in it's functions then it's "Kirov" in my book.

I wouldn't care who gets it. It's fine if it turns out to be a huge blimp robot made by Griffon, fine if it's another blimp by Jin, fine if it's Wolfgang's gen power, even fine if it's some stupid old blimp Sulaymaan got improvised to drop explosives. you get the point.

Do note I not even once said or remotely hinted this "Kirov" needs to belong to Russians or needs to be called Kirov. Any airship that brings in Kirov's gameplay is "Kirov" in my book.

Same here.

QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 31 Oct 2012, 17:38)

Like the Sentinel already more or less brings Apoc's gameplay, GLA GPS scrambling already brings the gameplay functions of Gap generators. So there ain't any need to literally bring Apoc or Gap generators back. The way I see it they're already in the mod. Same goes for Kirov. If any airship brings in it's functions then it's "Kirov" in my book.

I wouldn't care who gets it. It's fine if it turns out to be a huge blimp robot made by Griffon, fine if it's another blimp by Jin, fine if it's Wolfgang's gen power, even fine if it's some stupid old blimp Sulaymaan got improvised to drop explosives. you get the point.

It also uses RA3 Apocalypse Tank voice.

Well Blockout Node brings Gap Generator back,while GLA GPS Scrambling is more or less ability that NOD have back in Tiberian Sun,if you have played then you would know,if not just to inform you that NOD had Stealth Generators that worked same way as GLAs Scrambling Station or Scrambler Van.

Airship should do some supportive role,not to go direct into enemy fire like Kirov,look at Propaganda Airship,it is GREAT unit,and it does great job in supporting of your troops.If there would be another Airship in game, it would be logical to be Something that is doing that kind of role (how airship would attack through all those heavy long range AA defenses ).I see most logical role for second Airship in game to be Scouting.It is also logical that someone who is operating flying platform like that,that have great view from it.I really see Airship with Mishka's revealing circle as a great addition to the mod,add it gun for defense and it is perfect.As for some other role than scouting I can see it as a transporter,both infantry and vehicles.That way it would really fit to Wolfgang,and plus Germans are famous for invention of Zeppelins.