We have had to disqualify the former 3rd-place image in the "Flowers IV" Challenge because a valid original could not be produced, due to a modification of the EXIF during transfer from phone to computer :-( Congratulations to our new ribboner and HMs!

Now you got me wondering. How do we know they didn't do anything wrong? Where's the transparency? Is there any video evidence of them examining the EXIF? And who's to say the EXIF wasn't intact UNTIL it was received by the SC. How secure is the server? Now I don't want to stir up any trouble or make accusations, but I think the appointment of a special investigator is called for. Since Lydia brought up these charges, we can't appoint her, so I guess it'll have to be me. Ok, I accept. I'm on it. Everyone please check your inboxes for subpoenas and remember, you've got nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide.

Now you got me wondering. How do we know they didn't do anything wrong? Where's the transparency? Is there any video evidence of them examining the EXIF? And who's to say the EXIF wasn't intact UNTIL it was received by the SC. How secure is the server? Now I don't want to stir up any trouble or make accusations, but I think the appointment of a special investigator is called for. Since Lydia brought up these charges, we can't appoint her, so I guess it'll have to be me. Ok, I accept. I'm on it. Everyone please check your inboxes for subpoenas and remember, you've got nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide.

Now you got me wondering. How do we know they didn't do anything wrong? Where's the transparency? Is there any video evidence of them examining the EXIF? And who's to say the EXIF wasn't intact UNTIL it was received by the SC. How secure is the server? Now I don't want to stir up any trouble or make accusations, but I think the appointment of a special investigator is called for. Since Lydia brought up these charges, we can't appoint her, so I guess it'll have to be me. Ok, I accept. I'm on it. Everyone please check your inboxes for subpoenas and remember, you've got nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide.

We have had to disqualify the former 3rd-place image in the "Flowers IV" Challenge because a valid original could not be produced, due to a modification of the EXIF during transfer from phone to computer :-( Congratulations to our new ribboner and HMs!

Oh, NO. Not that one! It was (without taking away anything from the others) the most original of flower pictures that I've seen in a long time.

Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

The smartphone wasn't the problem, it was the windows software that did the downloading :-(

As always, it's good to know what "the windows software" was, and what methods and software work and what does not for these types of transfers. I don't shoot much with my smartphone, but it would be good to know just in case.

It's also good to consider that you don't want to delete that original from your phone until after validation as you can always find another way to extract it that doesn't corrupt - or even submit the original via browser directly from the phone.

Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

The smartphone wasn't the problem, it was the windows software that did the downloading :-(

Are you sure? I have the same issue if I download photos direct from my Canon P&S. I had to buy a card reader to overcome the problem.

Almost any software which "imports" pictures from a camera runs the risk of altering the EXIF. Using a card reader (or mounting the camera as an external logical device) and using the operating system to simply copy the files from one location to another is the safest and recommended way to move files intact.

Almost any software which "imports" pictures from a camera runs the risk of altering the EXIF. Using a card reader (or mounting the camera as an external logical device) and using the operating system to simply copy the files from one location to another is the safest and recommended way to move files intact.

That's exactly right. Method-of-importation isn't important if you shoot RAW, as a rule, but with JPG it's critical. And even with RAW, there are ways of screwing up, most notably by setting LR to convert RAW to DNG on import. If it is possible to connect your camera to a computer, it is possible to treat it as a mountable drive and manually drag-n-drop images for download.

Based on this, I'm wondering if there was anything wrong at all. The "Windows Phone" software listed is just the 'phone's OS. It may just be that any shot taken with the camera on that 'phone is tagged in that manner.

Based on this, I'm wondering if there was anything wrong at all. The "Windows Phone" software listed is just the 'phone's OS. It may just be that any shot taken with the camera on that 'phone is tagged in that manner.

Just throwing this out...Since the Smartphone was owned and used in Australia, perhaps the Smartphone OS is slightly different there?

Based on this, I'm wondering if there was anything wrong at all. The "Windows Phone" software listed is just the 'phone's OS. It may just be that any shot taken with the camera on that 'phone is tagged in that manner.

No, the transfer software changed the "modified" date when it made the xfer. That was the hangup. Once the dates in EXIF get scrambled all bets are off, validation-wise.

This is all very interesting discussion,not that I'm 'getting' a lot of it, but are you saying I could have put my sim card into a card reader (which I do have as well as the original in my phone) and put it on my computer that way and it might have worked??
All I can tell you is I never use my phone as my camera for anything I want to keep (its a pretty crappy camera) in fact when I'm out with my friends and we're doing a group photo, they all have a giggle cause I actually pull out a point a shoot camera - like its soo old fashioned... I just knew when I came across this in the alleyway it would be an interesting entry for the flowers challenge and my phone was all I had. (i was away for the weekend so no chance to go back to re-shoot) Kudos to [user]Bear-Music[/user] for letting me try several times to submit original in different ways but sadly to no avail :((
Anyways note to self - do not use phone for a challenge entry again.

...are you saying I could have put my sim card into a card reader (which I do have as well as the original in my phone) and put it on my computer that way and it might have worked??

Not the sim card. A microSD card, but the iPhone 4 does not have that capability.

I assume you tried this:
Import Photos Using USB Cable

By far, the easiest way to transfer photos to your Windows computer is to connect your iPhone with a USB cable. To windows, your iPhone is like digital camera or flash drive. Once you connect, you may need to unlock the iPhone in order to grant access to the photos. Usually, you will get a prompt confirming if you trust the connected computer to have access. Click Yes to grant access and proceed.

-Connect the iPhone with USB cable
-The Pop-up should appear on your computer screen
-Click on View Content
-You will see your photos in the folders
-In case the Pop-up does not appear, head to My Computer/This PC and you will see your iPhone under Portable Devices label
-Now you can select all the photos you want to transfer and copy them into any folder on your PC. This is the simplest and fastest way to transfer pictures from your iPhone
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If you did try that after you had already "imported", I am guessing the import function changed the modified date in the EXIF for the photos still on your phone. That seems wacked.