Shut the hell up, Brett!

It is no secret I want Favre on the field. But his inability to communicate anything privately is inexcusable. His ESPN interview is a joke. Sir Stephen Hayes is dead-on about the growing pile of BS Favre is dumping on Lambeau. He says he wants punchers chance at the starting job. They apparently offered it — and now he thinks that is not best for the team. I don’t think even old Bus Cook could stop himself from choking on that line.

I know Favre is posturing – and much better than TT and Ari at doing so. But it’s hard to read his comments and think he will be back on the field anytime soon. Consider this:

“The problem is that there’s been a lot of damage done and I can’t forget it. Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it.”

Favre says the unforgivable sins were leaked stories such as the one that he considered unretiring in March, which I think the evidence proves is largely true, and the cell phone scandal, which the evidence shows was false.

“Then,” Favre said, “they tried to buy me off to stay retired.”

Why can’t he keep his mouth closed for one day to see how the meetings proceed and progress. If he wants a trade – and it is clear he wants to play for the Vikings – then his best bet is to dupe the Vikings into forking over a round one pick now. He won’t accomplish this by disclosing through his spokemen, I mean ESPN, that he plans to force his way out of town.

Cooler heads can still prevail, and I certainly hope they do. But TT and Favre are like a divorced couple who beat and battered each other and lost all capacity for context and forgiveness. And it us, the children of the Pack, who suffer.

I still say the the M&M’s & TT screwed this up from day 1 but it is beginning to appear that Brett has had it in his mind from Day 1 to play for the Vike’s. He’s obviously been PO’d since they Pack didn’t try to get Moss for him & that Mariucci isn’t his coach & it appears he has decided to try to stick it to them. How utterly sad.

It just seems so outrageous to me that this is how it ends. If only the M&M’s & TT offered Farve his old job when he first decidedc to unretire we would have seen the true color of Favre. If they welcome him back he has no reason to ask for a release–his only option then is to come back & play for a team he feel’s doesn’t want him, or has betrayed him–or stay home. How utterly sad.

Like you I’d love to see Brett back in Green & Gold and we all know he’s their best chance at winning but now I find myself wondering if they should even put his name on the Lambeau Field walls. How utterly sad!!!!

56Coop – no disrespect intended but are you paying attention? When King Brett unretired the first time (in March) TT and MM agreed to give him his job back and chartered a plane to go to Kiln and work out all the logistics of his comeback. It was Favre that called them up and said don’t come, I’ve changed my mind. He messed it up with his inability to commit to the team. Do the right thing, admit that Brett is at least equally – if not more – at fault for this mess.

And enough with the best chance to win crap. Here is why I think Brett does not necessarily give us the best chance to win the games that matter:

3-7 in his last 10 playoff games
77.8 QB rating in those games
1-4 in his last 5 playoff games
13 INTs in those 5 games

Has Brett done a lot for the team in the past? Yes, but so did Bart Starr should we bring him back too? You have no idea if Rodgers can do better than the stats above – maybe he can; maybe not. But until you make an argument, backed up with something other than Brett Favre Nostalgia stop with the best chance to win stuff. You are not required to say it. No one is going to kick you out of Packer Nation if you fail to repeat the best chance to win mantra.

Joe – several other stats that you can’t ignore: Favre was largely responsible for the team being 13-3 last year, he has had ONE losing season in his entire career and he is the winningest QB of all time. To me, those 3 stats alone trump your argument – I just don’t see how you can reasonably argue that having an unproven rookie in there would be better. Before a team gets to the playoffs, they have to perform well enough to do so – and Favre is good at getting teams to the playoffs. I’ll give you that he has not been great in the post season lately – your stats show that clearly. But in his history (stats you omit), he also did have a time when he was great in the playoffs and in fact, was a major reason why the team won a Super Bowl.

That said, Favre has really just driven me nuts here and I’m holding on only to weak emotional strings at this point. I’ll just be glad when this is over and as Jim says, we can just start worrying about far less stressful issues.

I’m with Andy on the merits, and with Steve & Jim on the “shut your piehole” thing. Favre’s statements are completely incoherent and self-contradictory—as they have been throughout this thing, when they haven’t been proven false. I still think if the Pack can get him on the field, they should do it, but I think Favre’s apparent weaseliness and drama queenliness and Thompson’s Asperger’s Syndrome philosophy of management have FUBARed this thing beyond recognition.

I just hope at some point a coherent backstory emerges to make at least some of these guys look less like jokes.

Andy – thank you! I have been asking for real analysis and not standard repitition that “Favre gives us the best chance to win.” I have tried to be clear that I am not advocating one way or the other. I just don’t believe it is a given either way. I have only been pointing out the negatives of Favre because he is the one who is getting a pass from most people on this issue. As I see it, we’re talking about a 38 year guy, who has pretty consistently chocked in big games since about 1998. On the other hand we have a three year back up who has played very little. I don’t know who gives us the better chance to win. I think it maybe a toss up. I want people to actually discuss it and advocate for their position with facts.

Joe–No disrespect taken–according to Farve the unretiring thing in March was TT’s BS as was the packer cell phone that supposedly brought on the tampering charges. Obviously there was no Packer cell phone so why should I believe that TT’s telling the truth about the March unretirement deal. Regardless, if TT had said “come on Brett” when Brett said he wanted to unretire last month (we all know he said & meant that one) at least he would have had no reason to ask for a release and we all wouldn’t be specualting about all Farve wants is to play for the Vikings.

Believe me, I have thrown more things at my TV than I care to remember because of Farve’s playoff & “crunch” game performance (Who can forget Dallas last year)., and I think he (and the Packers) could have handled this much better, but, like awhayes says, Farve’s proven, Rogers is not–and what really worries me is Rogers appears to be injury prone.

Sadly, it appears we are all discussing a moot point. Favre is gone so–GO ROGERS>>>

56Coop, I trust the un-retire in March story because both Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have both discussed it and they never said that he had a Packers’ issued cell phone. They’ve also shown to be more credible in this given that there are a number of issues where Favre has contradicted himself or flat out lied.

Interesting quote from Randy Wright: ” If the Packers would get a straight up trade – Aaron Rodgers for Carson Palmer, what would the Packers do?” The answer is obvious! That destroys the changed direction arguement.

Mortenson just reports Favre has agreed to talk to Tampa Bay.

The whole issue is Favre vs. Thompson. The only problem is T.T. pushed Mc Carthy into the arguement. This is the second week of Camp. And M.M. is being forced into a no win off field position by the GM. If he was a manager that would not have happened, EVER. The heat belongs to him and no one else.

Well, after watching McCarfthy’s press conference it appears to me that Brett just does not want to play in Green Bay–period. So now we find out–if he can’t go to the Vikings does he go home or does he agree to go somewhere else. Also, could it be possible that the somewhere else team could work out a fast deal witht the Vikings so Brett ends up there anyway.