Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:02:44 PM@Angilion: I know what you're saying! In a ST:NG episode where they travel back in time and meet Mark Twain? He uses the term "negress" and the black lady (who is from the future) is NOT offended! Now THAT was a proper representation of what "positive future attitudes" should look like! No "long moralizing speeches" required (ST:OS).

Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:57:16 PMYou significantly changed the meaning of my post by ignoring most of the sentence you quoted three words from and all of the text it referred to.

It should be depicted in the context of a society in which it isn't an issue, so it shouldn`t be depicted as anything of any importance at all.

ST:TOS failed in that respect with sex and "race"

does not have the same meaning as "ST:TOS failed".

There isn`t much difference between the rest of my post and your reply supposedly disagreeing with it, e.g.

me: "they tried, but they were writing in the context of mid 1960s USA when they should have been writing in the context of mid 2260s UFP. [..] The idea was there, but the execution of it was dragging the baggage of the reality of the time and place in which the show was written and broadcast."

You: "I think they did as much as they could within the limits of that era."

Friday, September 13, 2013 8:38:29 PM @ Angilion, "ST:TOS failed" First of all, that's sacrilege! Star Trek does not fail - we merely fail to see the meaning. But you are right, as far as it goes. But Nichelle Nichols wanted to quit Star Trek because all she did was answer phones, basically. Martin Luther King personally asked her to stay with the show because It wasn`t important what she did, but that she was there. That black people would be sailing the stars alongside whites and Asians, Russians and americans.

So, yes she was a glorified receptionist with extremely nice gams, she was also groundbreaking. Whoopi Goldberg tells the story of, as a little girl, she saw a black woman on TV who wasn`t a maid {Uhura} and it inspired her to be who she is today.

I don`t think "Star Trek Failed". I think they did as much as they could within the limits of that era.

Friday, September 13, 2013 6:28:03 PMThere are no gay people in Star Trek. Still waiting for that.

I hope they do it properly and pay absolutely no attention to it within the film(s)/episode(s). It should be depicted in the context of a society in which it isn't an issue, so it shouldn`t be depicted as anything of any importance at all.

ST:TOS failed in that respect with sex and "race" - they tried, but they were writing in the context of mid 1960s USA when they should have been writing in the context of mid 2260s UFP. So you had Uhura as a senior officer on the primary bridge crew flagship of the fleet, but depicted far too much as a telephone operator. The idea was there, but the execution of it was dragging the baggage of the reality of the time and place in which the show was written and broadcast.