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Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by earthforge

It made more sense that Yukio hates his younger weaker self AND hates himself most of all. Hel-looo, self-loathing! It is indeed a powerful motivator. It also leads to rather bad depressions though. Not exactly a stable configuration.

I don't like this self-loathing at all. I don't believe you can hate yourself and live normally. People have issues and insecurities and regrets, but to actually hate oneself, they'd have to do something like murdering someone in rage and think oneself a monster (Rin would be a good candidate for self-loathing). Being weak as a child is not a reason to hate oneself.

Originally Posted by earthforge

It made much more sense that Bon asked Rin if he would shoulder the burden on his own, especially with Rin's response of "this time? ... no."

It's cuter this way too. And it makes sense since Bon was always accusing Rin of fighting alone and not running from danger.

If it was answer to "you're not going to run?", then what was Rin thinking about when he said "this time"? Maybe he meant that he wanted to give up in the strongest prison.
But if the question was about fighting alone, then I think Rin could've been hiding something when we said "this time? ...no" with a smile. It's possible that he thinks that Bon creating the barrier means that after that Rin can do everything on his own and it still counts as not fighting alone. I mean, he can send Bon away with Kuro and don't think he lied to him before.

Originally Posted by earthforge

"Looking forward to Rin" and "admire Rin" is identical - I think the translator meant "looked up to Rin". "Not being able to take this lying down" made nooo sense, so I betya it's a mistranslate.

It made me laugh, unlike the previous translation with simply "fire". There was that intense situation: double page with Bon creating the barrier, Karura crying that it worked!, exorcists looking up in shock, Shura recognizing powerful work of unknown ally and then Mephisto basically says "~~pretty~~". And the view of the barrier over Impure King. Awesome storytelling.

Originally Posted by earthforge

The names of Yukio's Naiads - Okay, I LOVED that. All of them minus the last two are from canon Greek mythology. Soo cool!

Soraya was queen of Iran and an actress. Google doesn't know Beriboys, so it probably doesn't exist :]

Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by Kryanka

I don't like this self-loathing at all. I don't believe you can hate yourself and live normally. People have issues and insecurities and regrets, but to actually hate oneself, they'd have to do something like murdering someone in rage and think oneself a monster (Rin would be a good candidate for self-loathing). Being weak as a child is not a reason to hate oneself.

I agree that I don't like self-loathing. In reality it is incredibly damaging to others.

But to be honest, you don't need a real good reason to hate yourself. If there's any reason for Yukio to hate himself, it's that he loathes how he resents Rin or Shiro sometimes because he does indeed feel inferior to them. He resents all that Toudou stands for, because it is a part of himself that he despises. I think Yukio is acutely aware of how childish it is to blame someone else for a path he chose, and he resents when he does that.

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It's cuter this way too. And it makes sense since Bon was always accusing Rin of fighting alone and not running from danger.

Yup yup! Bring on the RyuRin! D

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If it was answer to "you're not going to run?", then what was Rin thinking about when he said "this time"? Maybe he meant that he wanted to give up in the strongest prison.

Problem is, Bon didn't see when Rin was demoralized in das Starkste Gefangis - only Shiemi did... So it's still confusing...

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But if the question was about fighting alone, then I think Rin could've been hiding something when we said "this time? ...no" with a smile. It's possible that he thinks that Bon creating the barrier means that after that Rin can do everything on his own and it still counts as not fighting alone. I mean, he can send Bon away with Kuro and don't think he lied to him before.

Something bothers me about Bon and the barrier though - Familiar barriers in the past are heavily dependent on the person's stamina. Rin has to defeat the Impure King fast, otherwise Bon will run out of strength and the barrier will fail.

Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Spoiler Thread

Problem is, Bon didn't see when Rin was demoralized in das Starkste Gefangis - only Shiemi did... So it's still confusing...

The one who said "this time" was Rin, not Bon, so this version still makes sense, although I prefer the RyuRin goodness of the other one.

Originally Posted by earthforge

Something bothers me about Bon and the barrier though - Familiar barriers in the past are heavily dependent on the person's stamina. Rin has to defeat the Impure King fast, otherwise Bon will run out of strength and the barrier will fail.

Yeah, and this one uses up person's life if I remember correctly. And there's still that problem that Bon wasn't sure he remembered the chant, maybe because he wasn't paying full attention to Tatsuma. It's not impossible that the barrier isn't completed after all or it doesn't work as it should.

Either way, Rin has to hurry and kill the IK before the barrier kills Bon and the ruptured sporangium kills Kyoto people. Someone's got to help his brother too, cause he's about to be killed by Toudou. Koneko and Renzou could use some help too, as well as the girls with Tatsuma. Let's hope Bon can snap Rin out of this pathetic state <3

Or Mephisto makes his move, although I think he wants the Order to trust/depend on Rin for now.

Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Discussion | Ch. 30 Prediction

Thanks MD and Niphy! Another translation, I'm happy!~

Well, the most important difference this gave was yet another version of what Bon says to Rin. In niph's translation, it's "you're not going to give in to yourself, are you?". I think he's referring to Rin succumbing to the flames. So Rin responds "... no way, not now." It makes a bit more sense.

Haha! I just realized Suguro is effectively a Barrier Maiden for this part of the plot, and Rin is totally milking it! Also loved Rin's "Suguro, that's cool, you asshole!" I think a lot of translations have been missing his coarseness, which I so love...

Also, Yukio's "I hate myself" is again in this translation. So, revising my opinion... I don't believe Yukio's in current danger of possession, but self-loathing is terribly unstable. Believe me. It can easily turn on him.

Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Discussion | Ch. 30 Prediction

This is a badass chapter, thank you very much.
Yukio didn't get tempt or affected by the devil in my eyes. For a moment there I thought this manga is going to go down the route of yukio turning evil and drama occurs! But for now , it won't happen because Yukio have a clear picture of what's going on inside of him.
Not much to mention about rin and suguro except that they are finally closing in. I do hope that this giant moving demon have some sort of "core" to make things more interesting.

Well, the most important difference this gave was yet another version of what Bon says to Rin. In niph's translation, it's "you're not going to give in to yourself, are you?". I think he's referring to Rin succumbing to the flames. So Rin responds "... no way, not now." It makes a bit more sense.

Yeah, but at the same time, compared to the translations chinonamida was doing lately and to our interpretations of the previous translation of this lines, this one sounds a little Captain Obvious.

Re: Ao no Exorcist Ch. 29 Discussion | Ch. 30 Prediction

i think bon won't be able to keep the barrier up for long and will become extremely fatigued after the barrier disappears. then bon will be exclusively attacked by the IK because the IK fears bon's barrier again. then rin will HAVE to draw his sword to protect his friend. as for who the hell will save yukio....i have no idea. here's hoping for an awesome chapter again!