Are we done recruiting?

We had 1 leftover scholarship to give plus we have 2 graduating. I remember 2 seasons ago when Graham went toe to toe with Buddy Hield and came out looking like a future national player of the year. Could Graham be so dominant that he steels the show? Could Svi be second in scoring? I don’t know if the NBA takes a look at Doke if he is 3rd in scoring unless he averages a double double and leads the country in shot blocking? Then there is Newman, and Preston followed by Vick. Do any of them even get an invite to the combine if they are 4th 5th and 6th in scoring? Unless KU wins the national championship OR Preston, Newman, and Vick step it up KU’s 2018-2019 roster could be complete (which would be fine by me). There are a lot of games to be played between now and then BUT our coaching staff cant take another player until late with a clean conscience right? Taking another recruit could force a transfer or force an unfair RS on a guy that could be playing on any team in the country!

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@Statmachine If for some reason Newman returns next year, we don’t get Grimes. Grimes will wait until it is clear that Newman is gone before committing is sort of what he has indirectly said in his interviews.

Definitely one of Preston/Doke will be gone, most likely both. The bigs that committed wouldn’t have unless they knew this was the case.

I think we sign 3 more, and possibly take a late transfer depending on who stays and goes. Newman and Preston have pretty much booked their tickets to the combine. I still have questions on Udoka and Vick. So we can sign probably 5 easily. The last scholarship is TBD.

I think we sign 3 more, and possibly take a late transfer depending on who stays and goes. Newman and Preston have pretty much booked their tickets to the combine. I still have questions on Udoka and Vick. So we can sign probably 5 easily. The last scholarship is TBD.

I agree. - -I think we sign at least two – maybe three. - - Strong for Grimes , then either Williamson or Langford.

Ok, we had one open scholi, then we know Devonte is gone – 2 , - -Newman is gone - 3 - - Chances are Preston is gone unless he is just a complete flop - -don’t see that being the case – 4 - - -Vick tested the waters last year right - -I think 50/50 there - -so very possible 5 - -& then possible Doke - - - -So without a real hard stretch - -we could have 6 available - -we have used 3 - - So actually we have a decent shot of 3 more - -BUT I think we sign 2 - Best one I’m feeling Grimes - -The as much as I would like - - -I think Zion when it’s said and done lands at Kentucky , which brings us to Romeo -I think we have a great shot for him - -finish up with Grimes and Langford - -very well could be Coaches best group ever. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Oh damn your right - -old age slippin in lol - -We know he is gone for sure - -so there is 7 available - -possibly - -and think we give get two more. - -I just don’t think we get Romeo AND Zion both. - -Maybe I’m wrong more likely I am but - -wasn’t this 2018 class suppose to be kind of a lean year on the College front? - -I think we have done quite nicely - -current 3rd best class - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

OK my friends - -I stuck with McCormack all the way when some wondered what I was basing it on -We got him. - -Was on Devon from the get go – - everyone here knows that - -not going to lie - -was kind of shaky sometimes - -BUT we got him

Now - - for my next pick - - -" YES " - -Quentin Grimes when it is said and done WILL commit to KU. - -This has been the easiest for me in my own head - -I think he has been our guy from day one - -so here it is - -Grimes is our next commit - -might be a spring time decision But he lands here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Svi, Graham, Newman, Preston. Probably Doke. Vick depends on commits imo. That is a 6-7 recruit class to fill the roster. I’d lean towards 6. I would say it’s bad to load up in one year for class balance but it’s going to be a mix of multi-year guys, a OAD or two and I think Grimes is a 2 year player probably.

@jayballer54 I hope you are right. I would think Grimes would wait and see what Newman and/or Vick will do. If they both leave, I don’t see why Grimes would not feel comfortable teaming up with Dotson, Garrett, and Moore. For that reason I think he will wait until next year, unless he decides to go elsewhere. Would really like to see Romeo and/or Zion come on board, as we will probably be pretty thin at SF next year. KJ, Sam, and Mitch will need some help. Should be lots of minutes for at least one or both of them.

I’m trying not to just getting lucky - -MAYBE I need to go check my luck at Vegas lol - -let them roll lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG - - COME ON SAY IT WITH ME let me hear EVERY ONE SAY - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Only sure OAD we land would be Langford or Zion. I don’t think Grimes is. Just don’t see the athleticism. Unless the NBA thinks he’s a PG.

Agree. Shot needs some work too. Which, if KU does get Grimes brings up a potential shooting problem for next year with Grimes, Dotson and Garrett all being not great there. Certainly will be different than what we’ve seen the last couple years or so but the perimeter defense would be really good.

Grimes would be a fantastic addition though. Obviously Zion or Langford would be fantastic but I could see Grimes/Dotson/De Sousa/McCormack/developmental prospect/transfer rounding things out and being very pleased with that class.

Would really like to see Romeo and/or Zion come on board, as we will probably be pretty thin at SF next year. KJ, Sam, and Mitch will need some help. Should be lots of minutes for at least one or both of them.

Mitch is closer to a center than a sf based on his skill set imo.

My thoughts on KJ and Cunliffe have been well fleshed out at this point. It sounds like Self really likes KJ though.

Langford would be a great addition and would start at the 3 imo. Assuming Vick leaves in this scenario.

If KU doesn’t add any other wings and Vick leaves I could see Garrett starting at the 3. Garrett is a great utility player to have around. Committed to winning.

I think KU still gets Grimes and Langford.
Ride with me - - Quentin will be playing for KU next year - -% Romeo - -I’d say like about a 70/30 shot we got him we shall see - What a group that would be right? - - -Grimes - - - Dotson - - -DeSousa - - McCormick - - -& Langford - -look the hell out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark it’s not super popular, but I actually would rather have Langford for that reason. He’s the best pure scorer in the class at all 3 levels. I’m not sure how Zion would fit as a wing since he doesn’t have 3 point range yet.

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah I’m not sure Zion fits what Self wants to do or modern basketball as a college 3. He is powerful and bulky, I think you’d want him at the 4. Which brings up an issue because you want to start Dedric at the 4. I still think you have to take Zion if he wants to come here but I wouldn’t be too bothered if he went elsewhere.

Time to sell the 4 guard look to Zion and Langford. Zion is going to play the 4 in the NBA too IMO and I think he knows it. If he does in fact grow the couple of inches he is expected to, definitely a 4. That makes me feel even better about how we used JJ last year. There is still room for both Zion and Langford. Just not Zion and Langford and Vick.

Being able to bring Big Dave and De Sousa off the bench would be absolutely amazing.

I still can’t believe the start to this recruiting season. Closing guys we actually want is a strange feeling. I’m used to those 3 or 4 misses, Matt Scott telling me we will get guy #5 because we prioritized him and that was who the staff actually wanted all along and then missing on them and taking option #6. At least lately that has been the feeling.

Being able to bring Big Dave and De Sousa off the bench would be absolutely amazing.

I still can’t believe the start to this recruiting season. Closing guys we actually want is a strange feeling. I’m used to those 3 or 4 misses, Matt Scott telling me we will get guy #5 because we prioritized him and that was who the staff actually wanted all along and then missing on them and taking option #6. At least lately that has been the feeling.

Yeah this is pretty surreal. If you look at guys that were early period commits with no other factors (ie Preston being a back-up plan, a great one, but a back-up plan to Ayton) then we are looking at…

2017: Marcus Garrett (great relationship with his HS coach never considered elsewhere once KU got serious)

2016: Mitch Lightfoot (lifelong KU fan LOL)

2015: crickets

2014: Cliff (no comment), Oubre (loved KU, but staff did close him without him taking his UK visit so there is that)

The hyperbole about KU’s best class ever (not @buckets but elsewhere) is a bit pre-mature. The Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Downs class was pretty nice. Esp. Following another top 5 class with all the players returning.

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The hyperbole about KU’s best class ever (not @buckets but elsewhere) is a bit pre-mature. The Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Downs class was pretty nice. Esp. Following another top 5 class with all the players returning.

13 on paper was the best single class under Self. With my post I meant since 13 which is why I stopped at 14. Self cleaned up in 13 when he needed a big class and had many clear spots available, just like he has started to do again.

Arthur was not in the same class as Chalmers and Rush. He was one year later. Juju was in the Rush/Chalmers class.

Also I don’t think listing RTs/donks like Peters and Frankamp is in your favour.

@BShark I know which class I’d take ‘05 vs ‘13 given the results. The ‘13 class is making more money, but they weren’t nearly as successful in college.

3 top 10 guys in ‘13 = 10 losses and an early exit. It was just too young of a team. I hope we don’t run into that problem again after next year.

And yes the ‘13 class on paper is def. the best class after Embiid jumped up so high late in the recruiting cycle. Selden was a bit high at #6 imho.

The big thing is how the landscape changed. If Wiggins and Embiid were 2-3 year guys the class would look a lot different. Same for if you look at just the first year for the 05 class. For this reason I really like this class so far. Dotson is a multiyear player, McCormack is likely to graduate and we should see at least two years of De Sousa.

Agree about Selden. Some people probably look at Selden as a failure due to his ranking but I think the staff did a good job with him and so far he has been hanging around the league. Dude really could not shoot when he got to KU.

@BShark Not even KU’s worst PG situation under Self and the PG situation wasn’t even the biggest reason why that team struggled. That team was all 1st and 2nd year players within the program.

The 2018-19 is starting to look a lot like that team in terms of experience. Unless Vick stays, KU won’t have any seniors in 2018-19 and Lightfoot would be the only guy in the program more than 2 years.

Self and KU need Lagerald Vick to stay for his senior year to provide that senior leadership the team will need to make a run.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think next year will be fine regardless of Vick staying or leaving. Having guys in the program a year before playing and in the case of the Lawsons already a couple years removed from HS helps a lot. Garrett as a player’s voice that knows what the coaches want is nice too. Might take a bit longer to gel but I’m not overly worried.

@BShark The Lawson’s maturity is a big issue. Neither is Tarik Black in that regard. Without Vick, Dedric is one of the leaders of the team and that should scare the hell out of a lot of people with his maturity issues.

And that 13-14 team had plenty of players who had been in the program for a year and more players who had actually played for KU than next year’s team potentially and still did nothing to help that team. Even bringing in a senior graduate transfer did little to help that team.

@BShark Just ask yourself this question in regards to how much experience means to a Bill Self team. Self has had to replace his entire starting line up 3 times at Kansas, how well has KU done in each of those seasons with a brand new starting 5?

In 2005-06, KU lost 8 games and lost in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament to Bradley. In 2008-09, Kansas lost 8 games again and lost to Michigan St. in the Sweet 16. And then the 2013-14 team lost 10 games and lost to Stanford in the second round.

That’s what I’m basing my predictions on. What KU has done when in similar situations in the past and they’ve never looked like title contenders, and never came close to a Final Four in any of the previous times they’ve replaced their starting 5.

@Texas-Hawk-10 You are right and wrong at the same time concerning 2013, imo. That team went into freefall because an experienced “point guard” sucked. We might’ve been able to hide Tharpe’s woeful game another game or two in the tourney if Embiid stays on the court, but after Joel went down the team simply collapsed. The lack of experience hurt bigtime. But Naadir’s play hurt worse. That team truly had no ball handlers …no passing …it was the weakest backcourt Bill has ever had. Dotson comes in as a rookie miles ahead of anyone on that roster in 2013 ( Frank was just getting his feet wet ). Now, that doesn’t mean he’s Frank or Devonte, but guards have always adapted much quicker to Bill’s system. And you have a lightening quick, relentless guard who specializes in driving to the basket, who is considered a phenomenal passer …lots to love about about this kid. The kid gets a break by joining a very talented roster, with 3 college transfers coming in at the same time, along with 2 really good young freshmen on the front line. I would love to see Vick come back, but if he doesn’t, I don’t think that automatically means we’ll have a sucky year.

20-6 on the season. The anti-KU NCAA agenda … they've only just begun.

@KUSTEVE I never said Tharpe was good, just that he was far better than EJ running the show.

Also 05-06 and 08-09 had better PG situations than KU will have next year (RusRob and Chalmers in 05-06 and JR. Sherron in 08-09) so even if Dotson is better than advertised, he’s probably not going to be better than So. RusRob or JR. Sherron.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think we’re talking about who gets the shots. if we’re going strictly by the numbers, and Mario’s numbers were 11.5 ppg his freshman season because he wasn’t a primary scorer…that wasn’t his role yet. Yet JJ came in his fr year, and averaged almost 17, so it has to do with the role you have with the team. And if Dotson can drive to the hole, and can score or get fouled, Bill will utilize that. How many drives did TT and Frank take in their careers? He loves guards that take the ball to the rim. I think you are attempting to generalize numbers that were created by players that had different roles than what Dotson comes into when he steps in as starter.

20-6 on the season. The anti-KU NCAA agenda … they've only just begun.

The 05-06 and 08-09 teams each had PG’s with experience in Self’s system whereas Dotson and Moore will have no game experience next year. There’s going to be a much steeper learning curve at the PG position than we’ve ever seen at KU.