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Dan: Absolutely not! It is literal. Just look at the Fourth Commandment and why we keep a Sabbath you will understand that if it were not literal then there would not be a need to keep the Sabbath Holy back then.

Stan:"So the fourth commandment couldn't possibly be metaphorical, recognizing six periods of creation followed by a period of rest, and equating them with the commonly experienced period of a day? It's not possible?"

No it's not possible for the simple fact that God is talking about day and night days not periods of time. He is too specific. Explain Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."

Stan:"Just" looking at the fourth commandment is hardly definitive here. "Just" assuming the text to be literal denies an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence, in virtually every field, to the contrary. "Just" assuming that 'Moses' had a clue how god may have created anything is preposterous.

If you are trying to justify the Bible through the "lens of man" then you would be hard pressed to believe it. Believing Noah lived for 950 years is an act of Faith and Trust, true?

Stan: "Remember, your position requires the backward belief that the plants were created before the sun (nevermind the earth). Your position requires that the moon is a light designed to govern the night. Your position requires that the planets were not created in the six days provided. Your position requires that somewhere beyond the sky lies an enormous volume of liquid water.

All my position requires is that the first chapter of the bible be considered as metaphorical.

Note that the age restrictions your position holds requires that we make a great deal of assumptions in every area of science, virtually all of which render science potentially impotent every day. In order to explain the vast distances revealed by astronomy (which necessarily indicate ages beyond a mere six thousand years, by six orders of magnitude), you must posit a fluctuating speed of light. In order to explain radiometric dating, you must posit fluctuating rates of decay. In order to explain biological diversity, you must posit hyper-inflated evolution, but in order to distinguish it from the prevailing Theory of Evolution, you must also posit massive restrictions on this hyper-inflated evolution.

At what point do you stop and say, this is getting a bit complicated, cumbersome, and unnecessary?"

There is a great deal of assumptions from some scientists also as Dr. Jason Lisle was discussing. My common sense doesn't understand how animals and mankind was created in one day. The difference is that I believe IN God, I believe He said what He said as truth. If I am wrong He will explain it to me. Unlike you, I won't throw the baby out with that murky water. I am saved through Jesus no matter what I believe and to me that is the most important part of this discussion. Get saved and we can have this debate, like these gentlemen. At least they all believe in Salvation through Jesus Christ. Something we should ALL agree on.

Inspiration

"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." ~Ronald Reagan----"A great many of those who debunk traditional values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process." ~C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man (1944)----"If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our bodies. If they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees. Let no one go there unwarned and unprayed for." ~C.H. Spurgeon----”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” ~Martin Luther----”Occam's razor states that one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything, however, the simple theory must be able to account for or explain what needs explaining. It's not enough to have a simpler theory if you can't account for anything. Though we shouldn't add entities beyond what's needed, we also should not subtract entities beyond what's needed.” ~Paul Manata----Until the Holy Spirit regenerates the sinner and brings him to repentance, his presuppositions will remain unaltered. And as long as the unbeliever's presuppositions are unchanged a proper acceptance and understanding of the good news of Christ's historical resurrection will be impossible. ~Dr. Bahnsen----“One of the most pernicious falsehoods ever to be almost universally accepted is that the scientific method is the only reliable way to truth” ~Professor Richard H. Bube, Stanford University----Rules of atheism"Science":

Theists will consider natural causes.Atheists will ONLY consider natural causes.

Theism posits an eternal mind followed by contingent matter.

Atheism posits matter followed by contingent minds.----"Evolution is the tinfoil hat used by atheists to keep God out of their brainwaves" ~Bevets

"It is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution, and stick by it to the bitter end" ~I. L. Cohen----from City of Angels

Seth: You're an excellent doctor.Maggie: How do you know?Seth: I have a feeling.Maggie: That's pretty flimsy evidence.Seth: Close your eyes. It's just for a moment.[touches her hand]Seth: What am I doing?Maggie: You're... touching me.Seth: Touch. How do you know?Maggie: Because, I feel it.Seth: You should trust that. You don't trust it enough.

"Ask the poor. They will tell you who the Christians are." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"Some want to live within the sound of church or chapel bells, I want to run a rescue shop within the yard of hell." ~C.T. Studd

"You don't have a soul, you are a soul. You have a body." ~C.S. Lewis

"Waiting is not wasting when you are waiting on the Lord. God works while we wait." ~unknown

"Since the bible defines a Christian as one who knows God, would you consider yourself to have been a Christian according to the biblical definition?" ~Thomas Bridges

Fun Quotes

Quasar: That's like saying: "look, none of the grasshoppers evolved fire-resistant skin when I put the flamethrower to them! Evolution must be false!"