All my non comic book friends hate Marvel movies and love MOS and TDKT for this reason. We're all adults, we have no interest in seeing movies aimed at ten year olds. TDKT and MOS just feel like more "adult" movies. But at the same time, kids can appreciate them. I think Marvel is underestimating their audience. Kids are going to see their movies regardless of whether there are dumb kid-aimed jokes or not.

As for Superman... one of the biggest criticisms of MOS was that it's main character felt underdeveloped and underutilized. I'm sorry but that's a legitimate concern for a lot of people. We barely even got to know Clark. And now before he can even stretch his legs, he's sharing the screen with Batman and god knows who else. Again, it just feels imposed.

Not really, they planned Batman to show up in MOS 2 long before MOS had its first review, so it wouldn't feel imposed at all.

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Originally Posted by Marvin

"20. Zack Snyder
Whenever a studio executive needs a reboot of something and his sole creative direction is "Make it grittier!" Snyder is the dude they call. He'll totally bro up your Superman by sucking all the joy out of every frame and adding muscles. Big, ripply, 300-style muscles. Oh, did you want Superman to be a shining light of morality in a harsh and cruel world? Screw that candy-ass ****. Superbro is gonna crush some buildings and give zero ****s about collateral damage. Grittiness: unlocked.

Zack Snyder's signature recipe: Take one happy-go-lucky superhero, blast him with a fire hose of muck, then order him to brood or he gets the Kryptonite."

Drew Magary clearly wasn't impressed with the film, interesting way to go about all of this though. He could have just joined a forum and made a post like the rest. The funniest part is how it all comes down to Snyder. Looks like the stars aligned and drew found his opportunity.

Wow, what an ignorant little prick. He should really get his facts checked out. Superman's hardly "happy-go-lucky" in the modern era, not since the 70s-80s especially with the new 52 taking him back to his Golden Age personality as well as that he should check out "Death & Return of Superman" or "Kingdom Come". Honestly, why is it that there's some consensus belief that Superman's personality is akin to Captain Marvel's/Shazam's?

All my non comic book friends hate Marvel movies and love MOS and TDKT for this reason. We're all adults, we have no interest in seeing movies aimed at ten year olds. TDKT and MOS just feel like more "adult" movies. But at the same time, kids can appreciate them. I think Marvel is underestimating their audience. Kids are going to see their movies regardless of whether there are dumb kid-aimed jokes or not.

I agree with everything. Again.

It always gets my goat when people complain about DC movies not being kid-friendly. There's nothing wrong with having some more adult CBMs. Older kids can still watch DC anyways.

I'm so glad that it was grittier than the Marvel movies. They keep getting more and more childish, it sucks I don't want that! A lot of people disagree, but I think MOS and TDKT had the perfect amount of humor in their films

I agree! To me the humor is more natural while Marvel does have the odd funny, but it's overdone where i feel it's too childish or unnatural.

Why cant there be CBM's for adults?? There's enough of them to go around for decades to come, for the kids. Some Marvel movies have a good balance for all ages and im sure that's what we'll get from the Batfleck era. Even Burton's had that balance but Shumacher was all about the kids. Nolan's movies were definitely made for adults and the humor reflects that.

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All my non comic book friends hate Marvel movies and love MOS and TDKT for this reason. We're all adults, we have no interest in seeing movies aimed at ten year olds. TDKT and MOS just feel like more "adult" movies. But at the same time, kids can appreciate them. I think Marvel is underestimating their audience. Kids are going to see their movies regardless of whether there are dumb kid-aimed jokes or not.

Same here. Or the friends that enjoy comics but aren't so obsessed with reading them that they'd rather watch movies of them instead. I find they cant take how corny the old Supeman movies are or the current Marvel flicks but they enjoy TDKT and sometimes even MOS.

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Wow, what an ignorant little prick. He should really get his facts checked out. Superman's hardly "happy-go-lucky" in the modern era, not since the 70s-80s especially with the new 52 taking him back to his Golden Age personality as well as that he should check out "Death & Return of Superman" or "Kingdom Come". Honestly, why is it that there's some consensus belief that Superman's personality is akin to Captain Marvel's/Shazam's?

I'd like to give him a piece of my mind, can I have an email please?

ohhhhh please do!

__________________"Guys, what would be your reaction if Alfred was Batgirl in this movie? You go watch the movie, everything cool, halfway through, Alfred becomes Batgirl."

This is a good point, but I think the main concern is that the addition of these heroes doesn't overshadow Superman's sequel. The focus needs to be on him and stay on him. I don't mind the additions, but if their inclusion takes away from the main story then I think that will be problematic.

Which is all well and good. ASSUMING this is what will happen, though...that is what many are doing...and that I take issue with.

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As for me...I want at least a Superman trilogy that tells 3 self-contained stories for him alone. JL and all that should be kept separate from that.

It's nice to want things.

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And if I'm right
The future's looking bright
A symbol in the skies at night

This is a question that's easily answered. And you should already know why.

When you have a handful of comics for Superman that are released every month with other characters in it there's no worries bc you know next month you get more Supes.

But when you have to wait years for a legit Superman movie (let alone a franchise) the second movie has rumors of not 1 but 4 other heroes in it…

Plus baddies, plus secondary characters of Superman plus rumors of other secondary characters for the 4 other heroes…

A Superman fan starts to feel some kinda way about that. And may start saying things like, "This isn't a Superman movie anymore".

I can empathize with that.

See, I don't. Because that's just such one-sided thinking. Instead of going, "Wow, my favorite character/Superman is going to have THE coolest superhero movie EVER" and being proud of that fact, people are whining about it.

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And if I'm right
The future's looking bright
A symbol in the skies at night

"20. Zack Snyder
Whenever a studio executive needs a reboot of something and his sole creative direction is "Make it grittier!" Snyder is the dude they call. He'll totally bro up your Superman by sucking all the joy out of every frame and adding muscles. Big, ripply, 300-style muscles. Oh, did you want Superman to be a shining light of morality in a harsh and cruel world? Screw that candy-ass ****. Superbro is gonna crush some buildings and give zero ****s about collateral damage. Grittiness: unlocked.

Zack Snyder's signature recipe: Take one happy-go-lucky superhero, blast him with a fire hose of muck, then order him to brood or he gets the Kryptonite."

Drew Magary clearly wasn't impressed with the film, interesting way to go about all of this though. He could have just joined a forum and made a post like the rest. The funniest part is how it all comes down to Snyder. Looks like the stars alined and drew found his opportunity.

I wonder if he gave Nolan the same **** for making his Batman movies gritty. If he praises him for that...he just opened up a can of worms.

"20. Zack Snyder
Whenever a studio executive needs a reboot of something and his sole creative direction is "Make it grittier!" Snyder is the dude they call. He'll totally bro up your Superman by sucking all the joy out of every frame and adding muscles. Big, ripply, 300-style muscles. Oh, did you want Superman to be a shining light of morality in a harsh and cruel world? Screw that candy-ass ****. Superbro is gonna crush some buildings and give zero ****s about collateral damage. Grittiness: unlocked.

Zack Snyder's signature recipe: Take one happy-go-lucky superhero, blast him with a fire hose of muck, then order him to brood or he gets the Kryptonite."

Drew Magary clearly wasn't impressed with the film, interesting way to go about all of this though. He could have just joined a forum and made a post like the rest. The funniest part is how it all comes down to Snyder. Looks like the stars alined and drew found his opportunity.

Holy crap.

Probably one of the stupidest and least influential OPINION pieces I have heard in 2013. The guy who wrote that sounds like a douche.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) I happen to be well versed in the comics, so that is going to influence what I like in CBMs. I don't begrudge anyone who wants the pairing.... I just think all of y'all suck!

I'm a fan of Nolan, but I'm not impressed by other people trying (re: failing) to be Nolan.

Star Trek into Darkness is a good example of a failed Nolan imitation.

I'm sure there are people trying to imitate Nolan, but sometimes I think people are too quick to accuse everyone of that. Nolan didn't invent the concept of serious or "gritty" movies and they shouldn't be off limits to others just because of his style.