(Quote)William-The question you should be asking is, "What country can one go to?"
The answer (of c...

(Quote)William-The question you should be asking is, "What country can one go to?"

The answer (of course) is Russia.

I know a very devout French priest who is convinced that it will be Russia that will save the West from itself. I think the irony here would be almost too much to bear: the West brings down Communism in the Soviet Union (saving the people of the Soviet Republcs), and Russia brings down the secular humanists in the West (saving us).

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Yes that is strange. I have read some interesting stories on the English version of Pravda where Russian journalists blast our lack of religious freedom! I am old enough to remember a time when it was the exact opposite! These writers believe our govt is making a "Soviet Mistake" and ill collapse like the Societ Union did in 1991. Who woulda thunk it possible?

(Quote)Rosemarie-744159 said:
Portugal --- As Our Lady of Fatima said : " In Portugal the do...

(Quote)Rosemarie-744159 said:

Portugal --- As Our Lady of Fatima said : " In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved...."

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Did you look at the link? Portugal has legal same-sex marriage and allows same-sex couples to adopt. The dogma of the Faith has apparently NOT been preserved - at least NOT by the Portuguese government.

(Quote)Patricia-29176 said:
Did you look at the link? Portugal has legal same-sex marriage and allows sam...

(Quote)Patricia-29176 said:

Did you look at the link? Portugal has legal same-sex marriage and allows same-sex couples to adopt. The dogma of the Faith has apparently NOT been preserved - at least NOT by the Portuguese government.

(Quote)Paul-866591 said:
The really sad part is that there is no where in the US one can go to escape this idiocy....

(Quote)Paul-866591 said:

The really sad part is that there is no where in the US one can go to escape this idiocy.

Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution states; "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records and Judicial Proceedings of every other State.

That means that if State A has a law approving "Gay Marriages," every other state must recognize the validity of the "marriage" of a Gay Couple "married" in State A.

So if Jerry and Jeff were legally "married" in the State of Washington (yes, it is legal here) and then move to Nebraska, Nebraska must recognize their marriage as valid and give them all the benefits that Nebraska law gives married couples.

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Paul, if I am not mistaken, when they file their Federal tax returns like the 1040, they cannot file as a married couple orjoint. They are able to file joint in the states that accept gay marriage though.

I heard some people talking about this problem on the news. This may now mean that the Federal Government couldchange the tax filing criteria, or maybe not.

(Quote)Pat-5351 said:
I am in Illinois, and we are one house of representatives vote away from gay marriage.
I went ...

(Quote)Pat-5351 said:

I am in Illinois, and we are one house of representatives vote away from gay marriage.

I went through the adoption of civil unions two years ago, and thought then, I need to move, but then thought that would be it, that an equivalent structure would be enough to satisfy the liberal left, but it wasn't.

I am really despairing here that I can't live anymore in a state where such things are accepted (and paid for with my tax money), and I have to be part of a court system that works on these issues as well.

There is also the issue of the two cases before the Supreme Court; if those cases go the "wrong" way, perhaps there will be no "safe" place in America on the issue.

I am seriously considering moving, but I really don't know where might be "safe" from this issue.

I have wanted to move to AZ but now I see that is not even a good bet.

I am thinking that a state where there has been a long standing constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man one woman....I know which those are, but are you even safe there?

What does everyone think? Is there anywhere one can go where you can be safe from this issue?

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You know, Pat, we were told on this STM forum, not too long ago, that the percentage of gays is really onlyabout 2 to 3 percent, maybe 5 at the most, in the population.

So how does such a small minority create such a lot of concern? I think it is because they are representedin such high proportions throughout Hollywood, and in the arts, and in the design world. It seems that theyare ubiquitous.

Truthfully, I don't think you will be too effected by having them get married now. I mean, they are probablyalready living together and shopping together and holding hands in the street. Signing that piece of paperwon't be a whole lot more. But then, as you know, having gay marriage is just one more step into theliberal hedonistic world for America. We have to brace for that in every state now. It IS upsetting.