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Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker

Well - at least this does pinpoint who will be fined in the future for not having insurance.

That seems to make you happy. I will gladly pay the fine than get raped by the gov't. I do not have traditional health insurance thanks to the state gov't f*cking up regulations so badly that it's cost prohibitive. I can afford it; I choose not to.

It's my choice to go to the doctors I want to see. I don't beg for a referral, and I don't waste time and money bothering with a GP when me or my kid needs a specialist.

I defy you or anyone to find a child better cared for than mine.

Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux

You are not adequately represented on the map.

My contention would be that people in the red states are more likely to be the working poor, particularly the rural poor, and that they do not have the opportunity to purchase health insurance through their employer, for a variety of reasons. For instance, people who work at Walmart in low-skills categories are usually kept at a 32-hour-per-week employment status so that Walmart can avoid the cost of providing health insurance.

The assumption by many conservatives is that the people who don't have insurance coverage aren't willing to pay for it, or are on welfare. In fact, it isn't AVAILABLE to many Americans, and it is often extremely cost-prohibitive to those who are in the category of working poor. They earn too much to qualify for state benefits, but too little to afford insurance.

These states are also, in many cases, "right to work" states, so people in the skilled trades, who would have had insurance benefits through a union in another state, instead work in small non-union shops without access to affordable healthcare benefits.

Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux

Guess they'll have to get rid of their satellite dish.

You make an awful lot of assumptions there. I'll buy whatever the hell I want with my money, and if the gov't or anyone else doesn't like it, they can stuff it.

What I handed over to the Federal Gov't in taxes in 1998 alone could have allowed me to hire a private physician and kept him/her employed for many years. The gov't and everyone else's assumptions about uninsured are just assumptions.

And I would rather pull my eyeballs out with hot skewers than accept any form of healthcare from the gov't.

Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

Originally Posted by StandUpChuck

That seems to make you happy. I will gladly pay the fine than get raped by the gov't. I do not have traditional health insurance thanks to the state gov't f*cking up regulations so badly that it's cost prohibitive. I can afford it; I choose not to.

It's my choice to go to the doctors I want to see. I don't beg for a referral, and I don't waste time and money bothering with a GP when me or my kid needs a specialist.

I defy you or anyone to find a child better cared for than mine.

In fact, the imposed fines and fees make me furious - it's one of my peeves over this whole entire healthcare debate and really rattles me.

I think it's hypocritical - at best - for those who cry out for "better healthcare for all!" [refering to those in goverment] to then deem it a finable offense NOT to want healthcare for whatever personal reasons that someone has.

I'm fine with the government offering it - with it being optional person-to-person. Key point is for the individuals to determine what's best for them, not for the government to determine what is best for the individual.

They're ending current programs of assistance and not making other efforts (such as allowing companies to cross state lines when offering care in an effort to make the market more competative - bringing down prices) and not seeking to strengthen the programs that already DO exist.

Last edited by Aunt Spiker; 11-12-09 at 01:20 PM.

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