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I won't be posting here any more. It was great to interact and meet so many of you here ... It's too bad that it came to this, but some people here lost completely their sense of humor. I got banned twice here in last 2 months for nothing after posting here for over 7 years , for having a big mouth and simply fooling around ... big Romanian bro is watching, he can even read your private PMs. disgusting.

Some new mod kids are trying too hard to exercise their mod powers and sh!t (does anyone know what Sekuritatea is?) ... greetings to Scott and his new communist infantile mods ... Good old posters who actually wanted to talk about tennis and who were so much fun are all gone.

The board, for the longest time, has been self moderated. Everything was just fine the way it used to be.

I won't be posting here any more. It was great to interact and meet so many of you here ... It's too bad that it came to this, but some people here lost completely their sense of humor. I got banned twice here in last 2 months for nothing after posting here for over 7 years , for having a big mouth and simply fooling around ... big Romanian bro is watching, he can even read your private PMs. disgusting.

Some new mod kids are trying too hard to exercise their mod powers and sh!t (does anyone know what Sekuritatea is?) ... greetings to Scott and his new communist infantile mods ... Good old posters who actually wanted to talk about tennis and who were so much fun are all gone.

The board, for the longest time, has been self moderated. Everything was just fine the way it used to be.

I'm not sure what all this about, Alex, but I'm sorry that you feel you can't stay and contribute here. You were the first person to welcome me when I joined here, and I've often found your comments to be thought provoking and interesting,even if I haven't agreed with them.

If you can't find a way forward here, I'd like wish you well. All the best, Alex.

Do understand that if bad things are said I have no choice but to ban or it will give people the freedom to do it over and over again. I hate banning people, hate it, and that is obvious by the number of bans I have thrown down in the last 10 years.

Yes MT, the forums have changed. I still leave it to the people to make this their home, a better place to stop and hang out for some good ol' tennis chattin'.

Do understand that if bad things are said I have no choice but to ban or it will give people the freedom to do it over and over again. I hate banning people, hate it, and that is obvious by the number of bans I have thrown down in the last 10 years.

Yes MT, the forums have changed. I still leave it to the people to make this their home, a better place to stop and hang out for some good ol' tennis chattin'.

When it gets chaotic is when I have to do something...

You do what you gotta do Scoots. No questions asked.

My perception is here at T4U, the majority of 'tennis' fans have been replaced by 'player' fans who attach some personal self-worth to the success or failure of the player they idolize. Every thread eventually turns into a pissin contest about between fangirls. Did you ever notice the fangirls don't attach themselves to someone like Kei Nishikori? Or the doubles team of Paes & Stepanek?

There's still a few nuggets here and there.I always appreciated Alex's input though he got a bit kooky at times and downright rude once.

Do understand that if bad things are said I have no choice but to ban or it will give people the freedom to do it over and over again. I hate banning people, hate it, and that is obvious by the number of bans I have thrown down in the last 10 years.

Yes MT, the forums have changed. I still leave it to the people to make this their home, a better place to stop and hang out for some good ol' tennis chattin'.

When it gets chaotic is when I have to do something...

My perception is here at T4U, the majority of 'tennis' fans have been replaced by 'player' fans who attach some personal self-worth to the success or failure of the player they idolize. Every thread eventually turns into a pissin contest about between fangirls. Did you ever notice the fangirls don't attach themselves to someone like Kei Nishikori? Or the doubles team of Paes & Stepanek?

This has always been the case. There's no way you can get away from this aspect of forums. The more passionate the fans, the more they post.The only player I've ever been that passionate about was Yannick Noah. Since then I've just been passionate about tennis, and my own game. I think you are the same way.But Federer fans will post about what they are passionate about, Nadal fans will do the same. Then there's always the battles that ensue. Now it's Djokovic and Murray, in the future it will two other guys or gals.It's just the nature of forums.

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Alex can think about things for awhile and may have a change of heart.What's past is past and it's not like the end of the world is hanging in the balance.

But yeah, forums will always have different kinds of posters.Personally I like the emotional fans as well as the game analysis, both are needed to drive the forum and the variation will appeal to more people.

Constraint is needed so occasionally some posters need to be taken "behind the shed" for educational purposes only.

I would love to see more "tennis fans" as well, but like dmast says, it's typically the player fans who come to forums. And that is cool too, would be great to have both though. I loved the Journals when the were kickin'. I miss those.

I would love to see more "tennis fans" as well, but like dmast says, it's typically the player fans who come to forums. And that is cool too, would be great to have both though. I loved the Journals when the were kickin'. I miss those.

Never looked at that area. Never was tempted.Well occasionally when I was bored I'd check it out. So not "never" "rarely".

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author=monstertruck link=topic=18036.msg584297#msg584297 .........My perception is here at T4U, the majority of 'tennis' fans have been replaced by 'player' fans who attach some personal self-worth to the success or failure of the player they idolize. Every thread eventually turns into a pissin contest about between fangirls. Did you ever notice the fangirls don't attach themselves to someone like Kei Nishikori? Or the doubles team of Paes & Stepanek? ................

You raise an interesting point, Monstertuck. and I've read a similar view from you before.

But "tennis" fans and "player" fans are not necessarily different categories of fans, and I suspect you're not saying that they are necessarily different.

Some "tennis" fans are also "player" fans. In my experience, many who enjoy the sport are not entirely general tennis fans, and often have a favourite player or two at any given time.

Indeed, it could also be argued, and with merit, that if a player is admired, it leads to their fans following the sport more closely. That could be deemed to be good for the sport. Their engaging in discussions accordingly is not, in itself, less worthy.

I can quite readily attest to finding overly detailed technical analysis tedious at times. I'd challenge any suggestion that I am less of a tennis fan because of that. In the end, these distinctions are meaningless. Without players, there would be little of interest to discuss & a bias is bound to arise. We like & enjoy different players for different reasons. To me that is interesting, not off putting.

I agree that the "debates" arising from the need to extinguish or promote a bias in relation to a favourite player can be off putting. There is sometimes a sense of ownership and entitlement in relation to the "reputation" of a favourite player that leads to some of the most inane and tedious exchanges.

Factor in the taking of sides, the intention to isolate and condemn a member because they don't subscribe to a view,and a deterioration in the quality of a forum ensues. What I find particularly disappointing is the compulsion to be "right" and to treat the views of others as wrong. Personal attacks are unjustified, whether by a "tennis" fan or a "player" fan.

................But yeah, forums will always have different kinds of posters.Personally I like the emotional fans as well as the game analysis, both are needed to drive the forum and the variation will appeal to more people..........

Well said, Swish. I concur that followers of the sport are a wide church, and any tennis board would be the more interesting with a mixture of types of tennis fans. I enjoy analysis, but also the take on things by fans of a particular player. I suspect I am not the only one.

[quote author=monstertruck link=topic=18036.msg584297#msg584297 .........My perception is here at T4U, the majority of 'tennis' fans have been replaced by 'player' fans who attach some personal self-worth to the success or failure of the player they idolize. Every thread eventually turns into a pissin contest about between fangirls. Did you ever notice the fangirls don't attach themselves to someone like Kei Nishikori? Or the doubles team of Paes & Stepanek? ................

You raise an interesting point, Monstertuck. and I've read a similar view from you before.

But "tennis" fans and "player" fans are not necessarily different categories of fans, and I suspect you're not saying that they are necessarily different.

Some "tennis" fans are also "player" fans. In my experience, many who enjoy the sport are not entirely general tennis fans, and often have a favourite player or two at any given time.

Indeed, it could also be argued, and with merit, that if a player is admired, it leads to their fans following the sport more closely. That could be deemed to be good for the sport. Their engaging in discussions accordingly is not, in itself, less worthy.

I can quite readily attest to finding overly detailed technical analysis tedious at times. I'd challenge any suggestion that I am less of a tennis fan because of that. In the end, these distinctions are meaningless. Without players, there would be little of interest to discuss & a bias is bound to arise. We like & enjoy different players for different reasons. To me that is interesting, not off putting.

I agree that the "debates" arising from the need to extinguish or promote a bias in relation to a favourite player can be off putting. There is sometimes a sense of ownership and entitlement in relation to the "reputation" of a favourite player that leads to some of the most inane and tedious exchanges.

Factor in the taking of sides, the intention to isolate and condemn a member because they don't subscribe to a view,and a deterioration in the quality of a forum ensues. What I find particularly disappointing is the compulsion to be "right" and to treat the views of others as wrong. Personal attacks are unjustified, whether by a "tennis" fan or a "player" fan.

................But yeah, forums will always have different kinds of posters.Personally I like the emotional fans as well as the game analysis, both are needed to drive the forum and the variation will appeal to more people..........

Well said, Swish. I concur that followers of the sport are a wide church, and any tennis board would be the more interesting with a mixture of types of tennis fans. I enjoy analysis, but also the take on things by fans of a particular player. I suspect I am not the only one.[/quote]That's what I meant. The player fans can certainly drive traffic up and I enjoy their contribution for the most part. Ardent player fans like Alex, Chris, and Dallas (to mention only a few) are valuable members of the forum.

I miss the traffic in the journal section but for some reason tennis 'players' aren't participating there these days.

GBY & MT, you made some great productive comments right above. GBY I especially agree with the following:<<<<Indeed, it could also be argued, and with merit, that if a player is admired, it leads to their fans following the sport more closely. That could be deemed to be good for the sport. Their engaging in discussions accordingly is not, in itself, less worthy.I can quite readily attest to finding overly detailed technical analysis tedious at times. I'd challenge any suggestion that I am less of a tennis fan because of that. In the end, these distinctions are meaningless. Without players, there would be little of interest to discuss & a bias is bound to arise. We like & enjoy different players for different reasons. To me that is interesting, not off putting.>>>

And MT, your response to GBY's comment was on the spot too, especially the last sentence of your second paragraphe about personal attacks. Unfortunately, in every forum there are those addicted to the rush they get from doing that, overriding the desire to have a healthy debate. It' no exception here, but ignoring and not responding is the best way (they are not many anyway, usually a very small number, not many people are attracted to having such skills nor are they proud to manifest them), because it does not matter what you respond, it's rather the rush of personal attacks and argument that counts for them not necessarily what is said in the debate itself.

Alex so long, but if you come back, this member of T4U will be happy to see you again, you can count on that.

GBY & MT, you made some great productive comments right above. GBY I especially agree with the following:<<<<Indeed, it could also be argued, and with merit, that if a player is admired, it leads to their fans following the sport more closely. That could be deemed to be good for the sport. Their engaging in discussions accordingly is not, in itself, less worthy.I can quite readily attest to finding overly detailed technical analysis tedious at times. I'd challenge any suggestion that I am less of a tennis fan because of that. In the end, these distinctions are meaningless. Without players, there would be little of interest to discuss & a bias is bound to arise. We like & enjoy different players for different reasons. To me that is interesting, not off putting.>>>

And MT, your response to GBY's comment was on the spot too, especially the last sentence of your second paragraphe about personal attacks. Unfortunately, in every forum there are those addicted to the rush they get from doing that, overriding the desire to have a healthy debate. It' no exception here, but ignoring and not responding is the best way (they are not many anyway, usually a very small number, not many people are attracted to having such skills nor are they proud to manifest them), because it does not matter what you respond, it's rather the rush of personal attacks and argument that counts for them not necessarily what is said in the debate itself.

Alex so long, but if you come back, this member of T4U will be happy to see you again, you can count on that.

I'm no angel, I've been guilty of that in the past.

I think you're right Mertov, for the most part, there are just a few bad apples. I never considered Alex one of them.

Good to hear from people about this. For myself, I enjoyed many of Alex's posts and am sorry to see him gone.

I must confess that I have not had much interest in the t4U site since Cincy because it seemed to me to have become very negative. Most of my reactions, such as some splendid tennis in today's China final, tend to the positive and don't appear to fit.

I'm still playing two-four times a week but have not contributed to the Journal for fear of being repetitive and adding boredom to the mix.