From the SQ site:

What will it take to awaken the deceived, blinded, departed assemblies, to repent and return to the Lord and His Word? How long shall we remind them to "come out and be separated"?

The world knows that we are heading for a crash in governments, finances, banking, as all things which can be shaken will shake to the ground. Why do we not see that the divided steeple house systems of men have been invaded by anti-christ? It is just amazing! Great will be the loss in that day as judgment will come in like a flood and no escape will be available. jmo Jim

Sunday Evening Thoughts:

We have warned the believers to reject the so-called Jewish Roots Movement. If one wants to get into real trouble with the Spirit of the Lord, continue down their Jewish old testament pathway, walking past and denying the finished work of the Cross and the blessings of the New Covenant. They are beyond being upon dangerous ground. The Christians say that their steeple house system of men is based upon the bible and the Word of God. However, they have failed to read and understand Acts 15, Romans, Galatians, Hebrews, etc. ! They have become "enemies of the Cross of Christ" and a big price will be paid in that day. jmo Jim

Jewish Roots

NW View I am hearing of Christians trying to grasp at these roots and make them into something new when it is really hurting them by making them go backwards and basically erasing what Jesus came to do in the first place?????

@ Trail Trekker:

You have some very good views and these things really need to be discussed in detail. The Jewish Roots Movement may lead many born again Christians right past the Cross of Christ, His Finished Work upon it and bind them into the old testament laws and regulations. It has amazed me for years. How can the believers receive Christ within, becoming part of the "living Temple of God", and then turn from it, looking for the erection of a stone O.T. dead building and think they have become enlightened? AMAZING! They go to steeple house divided systems of men and demons, looking for new men and women in Jewish robes, thinking they have finally found some hidden truths, and have denied the Faith given to them by the Spirit of God. Oh my!

I lost a friend, many years ago, sucked into that blinded movement, telling them that "you do not have any Jewish roots". They became more than angry and hostile, the tramp had been set. (more later) Jim

@ Trail Trekker

It is alway good to refer to what Jesus thought of the Jewish Roots and why would any saved person want to return to a life of rebukes?
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Matthew 23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Also, Gal. 2

14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Yes, the roadway of the Jewish roots will make us "transgressors" and that is not a good avenue when one is saved through Faith in Christ alone. Jim

Steeple Houses

NW View I have read several posts by you regarding Steeple Houses. I admit I have frequented them my whole life and have seen the human sin nature evolve more into sin and ultimately using the steeple house as a cover. a Seattle Pastor was recently replaced and the Steeple House hired another in its place to hopefully cleanup the reputation. Now that I am paying more attention to the atmosphere I'm getting a bad taste in my mouth and disappointment in my heart. Can you offer any advice for those who want to leave the Steeple Houses but still want to be around believers and fellowship in the word?

@ Trail Trekker

Oh what a great question. I would need to type all night and if it would help believers to "come out from among them", it would be worth the effort.

Some of the steeple house systems of men have found a formula to keep their members. Just convince them that leaving their detoured system will plunge them into hell. Bring enough fear and you can control their lives. It is something like going to a doctor with cancer and he assures you that taking poison will cure you. The big fear systems usually have their own books, their own prophets, their own steeple houses everywhere and none of them are in agreement on anything. They see the others as enemies. The smaller denominations usually do not threaten you will hell but "if" you question anything, you become their enemy. Large assemblies bring forth huge tithes, buying buildings, advertising, pastor salaries, insurance costs, Sunday school busses, pension plans, and tax free income for the clergy. Oh happy day.

You ask:

Can you offer any advice for those who want to leave the Steeple Houses but still want to be around believers and fellowship in the word?

One could start with reading the posts on TOF over the last seven years. I have some believers say : "I know something is really wrong in our system but cannot figure it out". It is written to "study to show yourself approved"and that is a good starting place. AND, pray and seek. "Lord, show me where you want me to fellowship and how to detach from this system created by blinded men." The Holy Spirit is willing and ready to "deliver seekers from the detoured pathway.

We are only spectators on Sunday mornings. If we go to Seattle, this Sunday, and want to attend the gathering of the Seahawks, we need to do a few things. We need to look the part, 12th man jersey, color our hair green, pay to get in (you know it is about the money only), sit in the stans (pews), sing and shout, and when the game is over, we will talk about the game and go home after donuts and pizza. "If" you actually run out on the field, during the game, and say you want to play also, you will be dragged out of the building and asked to never return for you are not a professional (clergy).

Every believer should read the book on Church History like the Pilgrim Church and Church History by Broadbent. A copy of Peter Whytes books would set many free. One could start with the revelation that there is not any CLERGY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT and we, the called out ones are the Church and not the building of divisions. We will need to REPENT of ever joining a division, being warned of division in the N.T. Church. We need to return, a restoration, to the instructions given to the Church by the Lord and His Apostles. We need to gather in homes again, as it was in the beginning, using our funds to "feed the hungry and clothe the naked" asking the Lord to forgive us for tithing to dead systems of men who have allowed Satan to enter their blind system.

Well Trail Trekker, that is a start and if you want more just ask. jmo Jim

Season Tickets

Thank you NW View for your input! It will point me in the direction I am seeking. I will be purchasing season tickets for Jesus outside the steeple house. Don't go too far as I may bend your ear again.

It is written:

New International Version
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

New Living Translation
I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose.

English Standard Version
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Berean Study Bible
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction.

Berean Literal Bible
Now I exhort you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and there be no divisions among you, but you may be having been knit together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

New American Standard Bible
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

King James Bible
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We have RINO's and also CINO's.

Trail Trekker: Most of the conservatives talk about RINO's and how they have the title of being republicans but are actually something else, having departed from the basics of their party. We also have CINO's in Christianity, "Christians in Name Only." It is easy to become one, just depart from His Word, join a local party of like minded pew setters, change the scriptures, write their own books, build their own tower of Babel, and call their ground as being 'holy". Jim

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Jude King James Version (KJV)

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Learn not the way of the heathen:

Throw that decorated tree out the door: >>>>>>>>> Jeremiah 10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Still one of my favorites:

I saw the people gathered together in the yard. The old priest would have had me go into the steeple-house. I said, ‘no, it was no matter.’ But it was strange to the people that I would not go into what they called the house of God. I stood up in the steeple-house yard, and declared to the people that I came not to hold up their idol temples, nor their priests, nor their tithes, nor their augmentations, nor their priests’ wages, nor their Jewish and heathenish ceremonies and traditions, (for I denied all these); and I told them, that piece of ground was no more holy than another piece of ground. I showed them; that the apostles going into the Jews’ synagogues and temples, which God had commanded, was to bring people away from that temple, and those synagogues, and from the offerings, tithes, and covetous priests of that time. That those who came to be convinced of the truth, converted to it, and believed in Jesus Christ, whom the apostles preached, met together in dwelling houses; and that all who preach Christ, the word of life, ought to preach freely, as the apostles did, and as he commanded.

So I was sent of the Lord God of heaven and earth to preach freely, and to bring people off from these outward temples made with hands, which God dwells not in; that they might know their bodies to become the temples of God and of Christ; and to draw people off from all their superstitious ceremonies, Jewish and heathenish customs, traditions, and doctrines of men; and from all the world’s hired teachers, that take tithes, and great wages, preaching for hire, and divining for money; whom God and Christ never sent, as themselves confess, when they say, they never heard God’s nor Christ’s voice.

I exhorted the people to come off from all these things, directing them to the spirit and grace of God in themselves, and to the light of Jesus in their own hearts; that they might come to know Christ, their free teacher, to bring them salvation, and to open the scriptures to them. Thus the Lord gave me a good opportunity to open things largely to them. All was quiet, and many were convinced; blessed be the Lord. -George Fox

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