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After last month's street fight about moral character, storytelling and character development, I'm curious to see what complaints there are NOW.

All Bendis has done is a standard time travel trope: Make it as bad as possible, then loop it back to before the horrible choices are made, then have the problems be solved by the heroes doing what they could have done, should have done.

I stand by my assessment that this is a good -- not great or perfect -- but good story, because it has done nothing to harm any of these characters or use them in ways that aren't how they normally have been depicted, after Bendis pushed them hard, down the rabbit hole. Hell, Wolverine even got to do what he does best.

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After last month's street fight about moral character, storytelling and character development, I'm curious to see what complaints there are NOW.

All Bendis has done is a standard time travel trope: Make it as bad as possible, then loop it back to before the horrible choices are made, then have the problems be solved by the heroes doing what they could have done, should have done.

I stand by my assessment that this is a good -- not great or perfect -- but good story, because it has done nothing to harm any of these characters or use them in ways that aren't how they normally have been depicted, after Bendis pushed them hard, down the rabbit hole. Hell, Wolverine even got to do what he does best.

Extremely curious to see what happens in the final issue.

*Sniff, sniff* "Damn it, Diana...If I'd known they would trade us in for a JT Krul-written Captain Atom and "The Savage Hawkman," I'd have let Superboy-Prime destroy all reality."

"Superman flies and is really strong...what the fuck else do you need to know?!" -- Hitler, expressing his displeasure about DC rebooting and complaints about continuity

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chap22 wrote:referencing it (or even lifting it in this instance) =/= respecting it, necessarily.

I think in this case, it did, because the one thing that Bendis did that was really cute was have the dialogue that he absolutely should've: He had Hank Pym realize that he was building a sentient robot that would continue to evolve and grow increasingly dangerous.

That was the part about respecting Marvel history that I'm truly referring to: The whole point of this story, the whole point of this ENTIRE story, isn't that we didn't see Ultron.

The whole point is that at some point, Ultron was going to kill us all. Yesterday, today, tomorrow, Ultron was going to kill us all. That paradigm had to be fixed -- at some point, "Age of Ultron" was going to take place, and Hank Pym was responsible for it.

Bendis didn't invalidate any of the stories that came before him. He took the stories to their logical conclusion, and by doing so, gave one of Marvel's longstanding heroes a chance to right one of the single-biggest tactical errors ever made.

cheese

chap22 wrote:referencing it (or even lifting it in this instance) =/= respecting it, necessarily.

I think in this case, it did, because the one thing that Bendis did that was really cute was have the dialogue that he absolutely should've: He had Hank Pym realize that he was building a sentient robot that would continue to evolve and grow increasingly dangerous.

That was the part about respecting Marvel history that I'm truly referring to: The whole point of this story, the whole point of this ENTIRE story, isn't that we didn't see Ultron.

The whole point is that at some point, Ultron was going to kill us all. Yesterday, today, tomorrow, Ultron was going to kill us all. That paradigm had to be fixed -- at some point, "Age of Ultron" was going to take place, and Hank Pym was responsible for it.

Bendis didn't invalidate any of the stories that came before him. He took the stories to their logical conclusion, and by doing so, gave one of Marvel's longstanding heroes a chance to right one of the single-biggest tactical errors ever made.

*Sniff, sniff* "Damn it, Diana...If I'd known they would trade us in for a JT Krul-written Captain Atom and "The Savage Hawkman," I'd have let Superboy-Prime destroy all reality."

"Superman flies and is really strong...what the fuck else do you need to know?!" -- Hitler, expressing his displeasure about DC rebooting and complaints about continuity

Silly French Man

ElijahSnowFan wrote:I think in this case, it did, because the one thing that Bendis did that was really cute was have the dialogue that he absolutely should've: He had Hank Pym realize that he was building a sentient robot that would continue to evolve and grow increasingly dangerous.

That was the part about respecting Marvel history that I'm truly referring to: The whole point of this story, the whole point of this ENTIRE story, isn't that we didn't see Ultron.

The whole point is that at some point, Ultron was going to kill us all. Yesterday, today, tomorrow, Ultron was going to kill us all. That paradigm had to be fixed -- at some point, "Age of Ultron" was going to take place, and Hank Pym was responsible for it.

Bendis didn't invalidate any of the stories that came before him. He took the stories to their logical conclusion, and by doing so, gave one of Marvel's longstanding heroes a chance to right one of the single-biggest tactical errors ever made.

Silly French Man

ElijahSnowFan wrote:I think in this case, it did, because the one thing that Bendis did that was really cute was have the dialogue that he absolutely should've: He had Hank Pym realize that he was building a sentient robot that would continue to evolve and grow increasingly dangerous.

That was the part about respecting Marvel history that I'm truly referring to: The whole point of this story, the whole point of this ENTIRE story, isn't that we didn't see Ultron.

The whole point is that at some point, Ultron was going to kill us all. Yesterday, today, tomorrow, Ultron was going to kill us all. That paradigm had to be fixed -- at some point, "Age of Ultron" was going to take place, and Hank Pym was responsible for it.

Bendis didn't invalidate any of the stories that came before him. He took the stories to their logical conclusion, and by doing so, gave one of Marvel's longstanding heroes a chance to right one of the single-biggest tactical errors ever made.