hype? I used to like Champion plastic much better but if it was raining the least bit those suckers would slip out every time. Plus throwing clearish discs into a wooded area is not good. Anyway, my bag is almost entirely all ESP and Star for grip reasons. It's not grippy like an Omega Supersoft, but the difference is there.

i love my star plastics for grip..but I'm slowly starting to switch to FLX plastic, I feel like I can just get a hold of it better and fling the hell out of it. I'll still use my star and champ but FLX looks like the way to go

Actually I never bought into it. I couldn't understand paying more for something that was less durable but had slightly better grip. If it's wet and you need better grip, there's Pro and DX. That's just my opinion though.

less durable? you haven't used a star or esp ever have you? Props on the flx plastic Dave, i didn't like it at first but now am only using it whenever possible.

Rob Peil said:

Actually I never bought into it. I couldn't understand paying more for something that was less durable but had slightly better grip. If it's wet and you need better grip, there's Pro and DX. That's just my opinion though.

you havent ever played a heavy wooded course have you?
champ plastic last ALOT longer than star in terms of hitting trees.....

Shawn Welling said:

less durable? you haven't used a star or esp ever have you? Props on the flx plastic Dave, i didn't like it at first but now am only using it whenever possible.

Rob Peil said:

Actually I never bought into it. I couldn't understand paying more for something that was less durable but had slightly better grip. If it's wet and you need better grip, there's Pro and DX. That's just my opinion though.

now that I think about it the Champion Discs don't get dents but more rough edges. I still think compared to the extra grip it is worth the money. I wouldn't say Star plastic isn't durable though. I still have yet to buy a new disc in star plastic because it was too dinged up.

Will I stop using Star? No way. It's very good plastic. Works great for me. I play a very rough course, and I don't have any problem with durability.
I also use Champion, and I like it too. As far as that goes, I like DX and Pro too.

I don't care for the hype so we can discontinue it now.

D.J. Stop aiming at trees or whatever you're aiming at ... or maybe aim better and stop trying to throw so hard. ;)

I missed out on the hype. Star stuff is good but I don't think it is as good as the champ plastic. Get a GripRite Rosin Sack or something similar to help keep your hand dry during wet or hot humid weather. A must for throwing champ and even star plastic when it is 100 degrees outside.

One thing to think about is that the molds are slightly different depending on the plastic used. My star destroyer is much flatter compared to a pro destroyer, for example.

Last year, had a new star sidewinder and threw it on hole 2 at Mastin Lake, hit one of the early trees and now it is a taco. Would not have happened if I threw a star disc with a beefier rim though, but yes, those tight wooded courses can chew up a star disc faster than you would think. I like the champ sidewinder better now.