So, staying with the transportation simile using a DB or HX machine is like getting a first class seat on a private jet.

Anyway, sorry for taking a while to get back, I was offline since Thursday afternoon.

Using the PID makes that machine much easier to use. The pre infusion I was referring to was one of my own design and I have not found the need to add it. In truth, I do not use that machine much, as I have removed it from work and it follows me on vacation only anymore.

The PID kit is very easy and either mounting under between the GH and the steam wand or cutting a hole in the case is easy to do, cutting the hole is a bit more involved though and the under mount option allows for removal of the kit with no alteration of the machine. I don't know why you would want to remove it, even for sale but there you go, it is an option anyway.

In real life, my name isWayne P.Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

The train is in the station but I'm still on the ramp. I went from holy cow I could never cut my case to, I envy those that did it is so nice looking. The plot thickens. I found a machinist to cut my case since I don't have the tools or skills. I have an email into Suyi asking about temp limits on the unit. I want to make sure it can hold up inside. I read a story about it's fine inside then when the steam is heating up it shuts off, but don't worry as it cools it works again.

The temperature will be some lower if you insulate, or, you could insulate the PID. If the PID is in the upper R facing, then you have a box front, top, and L side made by the machine. Use rigid insulation to make the lower, R and rear walls. To really cool the PID, you may then need to vent the R case side and top for air flow. A couple of holes by the machnist could look fine, vent, and cool.

Or install the PID sitting on top and then think about location. You can always cut the hole later.

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