Mary O'Brien;4394368]Where is the evidence against Bin Laden? We were never presented with any evidence linking him to the Sept 11 Attacks at all. We are supposed to be such "dumb Goyishers" that we don't need any proofs. If you believe that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 --- Prove it!

D -AAAhhh, i never said in my post anything about BL being to blame for 9/11, and your 'prove it!' part was... childish, as even if i HAD said that, i don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else. Ever heard of free speech?

M-Either way that you look at the situation, Israel is solely to blame:

1. (Most likely). Israel itself planted the bombs that blew up the three WTC buildings.

2. The 19 Arab guys with their box cutters hated us so much for supporting Israel that they decided to commit a suicide attack on the WTC complex. Through outrageous good luck, they are able to make the two main towers fall just as quickly and neatly as professional demolition engineers with only a little smattering of jet fuel.

Either way, Israel must be removed from our government.

D-I agree!

M-Let's assume for a moment that you are correct, however, in your position that the Muslims are a worse threat to our national security than Israel.

D-Mary, where the HELL did i say that!!????

M- We may as well remove Israel anyway, since supporting Israel is costly and offers us no benefits. Once, Israel is gone, we can then evaluate whether the Muslims represent any serious threat without the added complication that these nations feel threatened by our rabid "pit-bull" in the Mideast. Possibly, even with Israel gone, some of these nations may oppose us, but certainly we would have protected our own long-term interests, and thus proven our trustworthiness.

D-I totally agree with this last statement from you, i hope you are able to read through and see where you have attributed 'quotes' to me as having said, when in fact i hadn't ( maybe confused me with another poster? ).
Damn, if we were having a vocal conversation, i can understand YOUR misunderstanding, but i WROTE my statement, and you still got it wrong! I hope you can admit that.....
Wow.

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Reason: tried to make my quotes clearer.

It's got nothing to do with the EU. We can deport as many Islamic extremists as we want. And if the EU is Jew dominated then why on earth would European Jews want Europe to be taken over by Muslims and Islam? It doesn't make sense at all.

If you read the Koran you'll see that Muslims have good reason to be against us. They're taught to not mix with Jews or Christians, and despise everyone else. Islam is a warlike religion and Muslims use violence along with peaceful means to achieve their aims.

You see we are doing something to save our homelands, by supporting the BNP. What I can't see is what you're doing to save yours, apart from blaming everything on the Jews.

Israel is trying to clear the Muslims from the lands surrounding Israel to facilitate the expansion of Israel. I don't disagree that some Muslims may be war-like. And, I do admire the BNP. We Americans need our own version of the BNP.

The Jews are not responsible for all of our problems, but without them, we would be free to start solving the problems. Perhaps you don't realize the extent to which Jews control our legal system; the Jews bribe our politicians to appoint Jewish judges, Jewish attorneys and law firms are favored in every possible way, and they are manipulating our law to deny us freedom of speech. In the US, the police are not allowed to enforce our immigration laws -- it's against the alien's civil rights! The whole concept of civil rights and welfare entitlements for the illegal aliens is not constitutional, nor are Affirmative Action and "diversity" programs. The Jews are blocking us from correcting these horrible abuses and misinterpretations of our law.

You see we are doing something to save our homelands, by supporting the BNP. What I can't see is what you're doing to save yours, apart from blaming everything on the Jews.

Quote from the Nick Griffin link:

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Furthermore, in real politics in the real world, one’s proper choice of enemy is a group who you gain a worthwhile level of extra support by identifying, who you have a realistic chance of beating, and whose defeat will take you the furthest towards your goal. With millions of our people desperately and very reasonably worried by the spread of Islam and its adherents, and with the mass media - for a variety of reasons, to which we will come later in this essay - playing 'Islamophobic' messages like a scratched CD, the proper choice of enemy needn't be left to rocket scientists.

To American nationalists, defeating Israel takes us furthest towards our goal. We are not just being invaded by Muslims, but by nonwhites from every country on earth. In every case, these invaders are supported and protected by the Jewish lobbies. The Jews also started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Jewish lobby continues to monger for war with Iran, and even nuking Iran for no reason. We are sick of hearing the Jewish anti-Muslim paranoia, which is only setting us up for another terror attack, most probably perpetrated by Israel itself. Israel is not the only problem, but it is problem #1.

Mary O'Brien;4394368]Where is the evidence against Bin Laden? We were never presented with any evidence linking him to the Sept 11 Attacks at all. We are supposed to be such "dumb Goyishers" that we don't need any proofs. If you believe that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 --- Prove it!

D -AAAhhh, i never said in my post anything about BL being to blame for 9/11, and your 'prove it!' part was... childish, as even if i HAD said that, i don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else. Ever heard of free speech?

M-Either way that you look at the situation, Israel is solely to blame:

1. (Most likely). Israel itself planted the bombs that blew up the three WTC buildings.

2. The 19 Arab guys with their box cutters hated us so much for supporting Israel that they decided to commit a suicide attack on the WTC complex. Through outrageous good luck, they are able to make the two main towers fall just as quickly and neatly as professional demolition engineers with only a little smattering of jet fuel.

Either way, Israel must be removed from our government.

D-I agree!

M-Let's assume for a moment that you are correct, however, in your position that the Muslims are a worse threat to our national security than Israel.

D-Mary, where the HELL did i say that!!????

M- We may as well remove Israel anyway, since supporting Israel is costly and offers us no benefits. Once, Israel is gone, we can then evaluate whether the Muslims represent any serious threat without the added complication that these nations feel threatened by our rabid "pit-bull" in the Mideast. Possibly, even with Israel gone, some of these nations may oppose us, but certainly we would have protected our own long-term interests, and thus proven our trustworthiness.

D-I totally agree with this last statement from you, i hope you are able to read through and see where you have attributed 'quotes' to me as having said, when in fact i hadn't ( maybe confused me with another poster? ).
Damn, if we were having a vocal conversation, i can understand YOUR misunderstanding, but i WROTE my statement, and you still got it wrong! I hope you can admit that.....
Wow.

I am glad that we agree on the important points.

My interpretation was that you felt that Muslims are a worse threat than Israel and that the government explanation of the Sept 11 Attacks is correct.

What a great way to get WN's to turn on each other, just start a topic like this, get the PC lefties to post and tell us how brainwashed and wrong we are to think the way we do against the muslims et al, and there you have it - normally civil WN's gnashing teeth and snarling at each other.

And no, i don't think bin laden is really a nasty jew called ben lebowski from queens who has been set up by the cia to fool us into hating the muslims. They manage to make us hate them quite well on their own..... as do the jews.

Nah Mary i would NEVER think that the jews are not as much a threat, I do agree they are!

As to Techdudes post, to be fair to him i really don't think he was saying that the jews are a lesser threat, just that maybe we get so caught up in the whole jewish problem - which is HUGE - that sometimes we then lose sight of the other threats. I was also agreeing with other things he said in the post, but thats another matter....

Either way, glad we got this sorted out, i also have tried to explain to people i know that even though i do believe the muslims commited the homicide attacks with the planes, i ALSO think that, as you suggested, members of the gov knew this in advance and just let it happen, which makes them just as guilty.

Govs have always used proxies, and if the muslims or whoever are stupid enough to play into it then they will continue to get the full blame.

One prominent Democratic opined on national television that "most of the 170-page Patriot Act is fine," but that it needs some fine-tuning. He then stated that he opposed the ten-year reauthorization bill on the grounds that Americans should not have their constitutional rights put on hold for a decade. His party's proposal, however, was to reauthorize the Patriot Act for only four years, as though a shorter moratorium on constitutional rights would be acceptable!

I'm going to kill you now, Mr. Bond. Would you prefer to be eaten by the sharks, or the alligators?

I agree that the US government might be using the war on terror as an excuse to do away with civil rights to some extent

They say the English have a knack for understatement....

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Remember the USA has never really had to deal with a terrorist campaign before.

Actually, we did have quite a bit of it during the 60's and 70's, but it wasn't covered much nationally -- because the last thing you want to do with REAL terrorists (as in, not government plots) is give them attention.

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And any country facing a sustained terrorism campaign has the same problems and has to make the same sacrifices.

Like giving up the litter bins in our subway stations?

Or do you mean, giving up our liberties? See, we had this one dude a long time ago named... ah, Benjamin Franklin. He didn't think giving up liberty in an effort to procure safety was a very bright idea. We sort of went from there. Ah, yes, two English-speaking countries (more or less) separated by... a vast gulf of philosophy.

Look, Brighton, you need to realize one very important fact. Your government is shafting you like ours is us. If your new No. 10 Downing Street resident -- the execrable British version of Kissinger -- and your Parliament really wanted to stop Muslim terror in Britain, they would immediately start deporting Muslims. So would ours. In WWII, we were at war with Germany and Japan, so we locked up all the Germans and Japanese in concentration camps. It was rather indefensible to be sure, but was seen as one of the necessary evils of war.

So here we are, allegedly at war for an indeterminate, perhaps infinite, period of time; against an enemy our governments cannot and will not name, but are presumably those of Arab or Muslim persuasion. Yet we allow them in to our countries freely, allow them to roam freely -- all the while taking away freedom and privacy from the real citizens. If Muslims/Arabs are the enemy, why is Europe rushing to pass laws to protect them, coddle them, breed them? Here, we leave the borders open, and prosecute White Americans as "terrorists" for criticizing the government.

Look, Brighton, you need to realize one very important fact. Your government is shafting you like ours is us. If your new No. 10 Downing Street resident -- the execrable British version of Kissinger -- and your Parliament really wanted to stop Muslim terror in Britain, they would immediately start deporting Muslims. So would ours. In WWII, we were at war with Germany and Japan, so we locked up all the Germans and Japanese in concentration camps. It was rather indefensible to be sure, but was seen as one of the necessary evils of war.

So here we are, allegedly at war for an indeterminate, perhaps infinite, period of time; against an enemy our governments cannot and will not name, but are presumably those of Arab or Muslim persuasion. Yet we allow them in to our countries freely, allow them to roam freely -- all the while taking away freedom and privacy from the real citizens. If Muslims/Arabs are the enemy, why is Europe rushing to pass laws to protect them, coddle them, breed them? Here, we leave the borders open, and prosecute White Americans as "terrorists" for criticizing the government.

Why don't you try explaining to me why this is?

Well do you think that when the IRA was attacking England with bombs that we should have immediately started deporting Irish Catholics? Or put them in concentration camps? Because that's what you're suggesting. I've got friends and even relations who are Irish, as have many people here.

It's not that easy because they're not all terrorists. A significant minority are, but that's not enough to justify kicking the whole lot out. That's the big problem with terrorism and why it's so hard to deal with.

So we can't really justify kicking them all out because of terrorism, but we can make sure they cannot at all gradually change our culture to an Islamic one by not making any allowances for Muslims, and by stopping any more immigration. Which is what the BNP are proposing to do. If they want to eat Halal meat (which was once illegal), practice sharia law, wear headscarves and pray at work etc, then they can go and do it in an Islamic country, because they won't be allowed to here. They have to live by our laws or get out; and hopefully most will choose to get out.

A significant minority are, but that's not enough to justify kicking the whole lot out. That's the big problem with terrorism and why it's so hard to deal with.

No, not hard at all. First of all, they have their own countries...they have no business at all being in Britain at all anyway, and second...if you are a sovereign nation who truly is looking out for the wellbeing of your indiginous peoples, then you would have no problem kicking these people out, and in fact, would have never let them in to begin with.

You are going to find out what kind of "significant minority" they are soon enough when they become the majority in short order and you will either become one of them (muslim) or die. They will have no problem "dealing" with you.

Well do you think that when the IRA was attacking England with bombs that we should have immediately started deporting Irish Catholics? Or put them in concentration camps? Because that's what you're suggesting. I've got friends and even relations who are Irish, as have many people here.

How is the situation between the Irish and the English in any way comparable with the situation of the White man and the Middle Eastern immigrant-invader?

Do you have difficulty understanding the racial component involved here?

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It's not that easy because they're not all terrorists. A significant minority are, but that's not enough to justify kicking the whole lot out. That's the big problem with terrorism and why it's so hard to deal with.

Why are you skirting around the racial problem? Why do you make it into a "terrorist" problem?

Whether they are terrorists or not does not interest me, or any racialist. Whether they are nonwhite or not does.

No White nation with two ounces of self-determination and racial sanity needs any more justification for deporting nonwhites than that they are not White and not welcome in White nations.

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Originally Posted by Brighton Rock

So we can't really justify kicking them all out because of terrorism, but we can make sure they cannot at all gradually change our culture to an Islamic one by not making any allowances for Muslims, and by stopping any more immigration. Which is what the BNP are proposing to do. If they want to eat Halal meat (which was once illegal), practice sharia law, wear headscarves and pray at work etc, then they can go and do it in an Islamic country, because they won't be allowed to here. They have to live by our laws or get out; and hopefully most will choose to get out.

So basically the proposed plan here is to have Muslims assimilate or leave.

Is that really the position of the BNP? When did they start advocating such a racially destructive policy?