Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose

uh huh... I was wrong, his worst season was 5-11.

You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was the guy!

Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

Welker has never been "gameplanned around". Randy Moss is a guy that's gameplanned around, that opens things up for Welker.

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You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was the guy!

Dripping sarcasm noted....Anyway, in his 2nd year in the league, Williams was the QB of a team that went to the NFC Championship game (I think, not positive off hand). A team that was only in ts 4th year of existence.

But I'm not even sure what your point was in the first place.

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Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

IT factor is, of course, not all it takes but more often than not a team won't make a Super Bowl without a franchise QB.

Though I'm still not sure what your point is in all of this. And what your rants about Rypien, Humphries, and Gannon were all about

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Oh and no, i dont' think we'll have a "Perfectly Rebuilt Offensive Line" by week one. That's one of the main reasons I question the McNabb signing.

So by your logic, we should wait until we upgrade the OL before we look to improve the QB postion, correct?

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Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.

Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.

I would lump that in with alienating the best player on the team. But you are right, by signing Grossman and McNabb, they have lowered Jason's value significantly.

Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.

This is definitely a big mistake. Not sure if I agree with you on it being the only mistake. I haven't agreed with most of the offseason moves thus far. If the geriatric three headed rushing attack pans out and McNabbulous takes us to the postseason I'll be wrong, but I don't see it.

After the Redskins' trade for Donovan McNabb, the kneejerk reaction was that Jason Campbell was not long for Washington, D.C. The Washington Post's Jason Reid reported later in the week that Campbell's agent had been given the green light to explore trade opportunities for Campbell, and on Monday, the QB signed his RFA tender, clearing a final hurdle to his being traded.

Possible destinations for Campbell
Oakland: Lost out on McNabb, other options aren't too encouraging
Buffalo: Campbell's not from California!
Minnesota: You know, in case Favre doesn't come back
Carolina: ESPN's NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas thinks Campbell is worth a shot for the Panthers, possibly with a mid-round pickJacksonville: David Garrard's not getting any younger, although Michael C. Wright tweets that the Jags aren't interestedBoth Oakland and Buffalo (which pick consecutively in the first round, appropriately enough) need a QB upgrade, but could also take a tackle with their first pick. And of course, there is the chance of a team biding its time and getting into the mix later (say, a Favre-less Minnesota Vikings, if they see Campbell as an upgrade over the Tarvaris Jackson-Sage Rosenfels duo).

ESPN.com's Matt Mosley thinks it'll take a fourth-rounder for Campbell, and throws the 49ers and Browns into the list of possibly interested teams. ESPN's John Clayton concurs with the price tag, noting that a mid-round pick could probably get it done. Assessing the different possibilities, Jeremy Green of Scouts, Inc. thinks that the Raiders' offensive philosophy is the best match for Campbell's game:

Jeremy Green
He's got the big arm Al Davis loves

"While it is hard to get excited about any player going to Oakland because of the nature of the Raiders organization, the down-the-field throwing style they ask from the QB in the offensive system does suit Campbell's skill set the best. Campbell is a pocket passer with a strong arm who throws a good deep ball, which is the No. 1 requirement in the Raiders' offensive system."

JC's screwed.

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Probably the only mistake Shanny has made so far: asking Jason Campbell to stay away from the Park and Practice. This SCREAMS "we don';t want you and have no intention of having you around"....which incidentally screams to other clubs..."well fellas, don't bother giving us a draft pick because we're gonna release him".

Now, a team like Buffalo only has to offer a 7th rounder or at best a 6th rounder in order to get the Skins to bite. I doubt that Campbell will be around much longer because Shanny does not want to give him a playbook, knowing that he will never make the club.

What it really says is we don't want you getting injured at a mini camp and really screwing up any trade possibilities.