I voted below the line. 1 and 2 LDP. 3 Dio (or however they’re spelling his name now) Wang from PUP. 4 was for the 3rd candidate on the LP ticket. The order of preferences beyond that was immaterial, as my vote will end with one of those two. Although I assiduously preferenced the Greens last, with the lowest candidate first and Ludlam 77th. I even preferenced the Socialists higher than the Greens. Damn straight.

I’d rather a PUP balance of power in the Senate. They’ll ditch the carbon and mining taxes without blinking whilst standing a much better chance of blocking Direct Action, PPL and all the LNP big government bullshit.

So my vote either went to the PUP 1 candidate or the LNP 3. Pity the LDP couldn’t do some better preference deals.

Wow, Brian Loughnane’s campaign against voting for minor parties was effective, wasn’t it! FFS, the state is treated like Canberra’s bitch and screaming about it, and the LNP think the best approach is to warn against voting for Palmer??

How on earth did the Libs manage to get outspent by tens of millions of dollars by Palmer? This is fucking ridiculous. What are we to make of this? The LNP don’t care about getting their legislation through the Senate? That’s what it looks like.

Let’s face it, Palmer’s a pissant wannabe billionaire. Those backing the Libs could spend Palmer’s net worth over a moderately indulgent lunch. The Libs didn’t care about what’s happening in WA, in spite of the fact that it holds the key to all their much-vaunted election promises and their ability to deliver whatever it is they endlessly claim they received a mandate to do.

@jc. You are correct. There is no fight back so afraid of a media crucifixion, which is prepared and itching to cut loose.

But it’s Time!! No more Mr Nice Guy. Prosecute your case at every opportunity. The major parties both fail to recognise they may have lost a generation via a second rate education system and ideologically green curricula. Both parties. Captive to the Green Gen Whatever. It is serious and will require a bipartisan Liberal Labor partnership.

Jobs!!! As a Green at the polling booth said to me today ‘we don’t need them, we have the sun’. I kid you not.

Hey, Western Australians. Did you see those PUP ads? Yes, the ones containing the imagery that would appear pitched to a drooling retard. With the production values that suggested they were created by a drooling retard.

Look beyond the cringeingly cliched metaphor of taking bread out of the mouths of babes.

What they said is right, is it not? Even if they can’t be trusted to represent our interests (which they almost certainly can’t).

They also may not be total lunatics like the Liars, but they’re too scared of running policies totally opposite theirs. In fact they adopt Liars polices.

Except for the WBCT, the WBMT, the $70bn deficits, the open borders and the union corruption – all of which they oppose. Sorry you didn’t get them to give empty promises about your policy wish list – ahead of a by election for Senate control and with the old senate blocking everything anyhow. It must be frustrating for you.

Except for the WBCT, the WBMT, the $70bn deficits, the open borders and the union corruption – all of which they oppose.

Trifles. These are trifles if the opposing party does not oppose them because they hold a visceral, instinctive repudiation of the values that brought forth these trifles. At some point there’s no compromise or appeasement with the philosophy and culture that bore those values. It’s time for root and branch extermination. When are we at that point, Andrew? Please be sure to let Liberal HQ in Vaucluse or wherever the hell they are know. Probably about a year and a half after the fact, as that’s pretty much their style. In which case they’ll decide they’re either Switzerland or Vichy.

Which could be why the Coalition has been fairly conservative with its advertising. It’d rather spend big when the survival of the government is at stake at a theoretical DD than trying to win an extra Senate seat that doesn’t change the need to negotiate with a considerable voting bloc on the cross benches.

At present I think the government will be able to cobble together a coalition of PUP, Xenophon, DLP, LDP, FF and the Motoring Enthusiasts to repeal the Carbon Tax, Mining Tax and associated Green boondoggles. The excessive PPL will either be deferred or it will be passed in a pared-back form with Greens support. The real sticking point for the Government in the Senate will be any spending cuts in the Budget or recommended by the Commission of Audit. I can see PUP being populist and refusing to cut any welfare entitlements or outlays in education or health.

The transmission mechanism for rank leftism in this country is the ABC. The libs are doing absolutely nothing about it. Not one thing. In fact they run scared of them.

Spot on JC – I wrote a rather acerbic letter calling on Malcolm Turnbull to do something about the criminality which is rife vis a vis their Grauniad/Axis over the Indonesian spying caper — the letter I got back was just the biggest load of balderdash – I haven’t had time to respond and tell them so but I am just furious by the fatuousness of the MT response.

All the people who can no longer vote ALP have got to go somewhere, Gab. Might as well go to where someone stands for something. Oh, and a lot of people didn’t vote again, leaving activists to a bigger portion of the vote.

just wondered.if being a meat eating carnist is a political act to rub entrenched privilege in the face of the victim class–is sarah hanson young a vegan? is veganism going to get the next leader of the greens elected?.

[and if the abc is so fixated on leadership struggles,how come they run 100 turnbull challenge fantasies,but run dead on the internal leadership borgia style hatreds within their own green party?. aren’t the people allowed to know the green truths?.

Greens did poorly in Tas. But Scott Ludlam is a superstar for them. He’s got the under 25 vote sewn up – they love his hate Abbott speech and his publicly stated goal in Senate is to “stop Abbott”. That’s all.

And Clive Palmer is the larrikin image who makes fun of the major parties, another personality cult thing. I think this sort of thing has to run its course and Libs would have been wasting money.

So WA now has the highest green vote in the senate of any state in the nation. If we deported all 39,000 of our crusty ones over there, they’d even have a shot at beating the ACT.

Bigger picture though, the final seat is looking a bit of a toss up. The spread is nearly 1.4% to Labor, so I suspect it is going to be difficult to reel in on the strength of postals. 0.5% is often doable; 1.4% not so much.

PUP’s supporters wanted to be “reeled in”, to see him have a go at the leaders of the major parties and make demands and belittle them, “show them up” larrakin type stuff. There’s an entertainment value there.

I don’t think Bullock will jump ship and join the Libs or PUP or anybody else. First he will simply stop attending Labor parliamentary party meetings. In the interests of stabilidy no one in the ALP will publically call him out on it. Next he will miss a division due to sudden ‘illness’. Shorten will express ‘understandable regret’. Bullock misses another division. Shorten expresses displeasure. A repeat with Shorten really, really pissed off. Bullock declares himself to be Independent Labor and sits on cross benches.

Tomix he said that about two weeks ago after saying before that that we was against the carbon dioxide tax. I suspect he’ll change his mind again and again and again depending on what sounds better on the day.

Probably he’ll demand a big pension increase all round (makes him a hero) in return for repealing carbon tax. I don’t see that he would do anything that’s just intrinsically democratic. There will be have to be something in it for him, and that would be popularity.

After the Green vote in WA it is going to be hard to make any Tasmanian and Sth Australian jokes with any credibility. But that won’t stop me. I think what it shows is that outside a core of rabid hard Left voters the Greens are a “feel good” parking place for the soft centre Left protest vote.

Any Western Australians who voted for Palmer should be deported to Queensland where that faux-maverick populist BS is practically a mainstream political philosophy.

None of you non-Queenslanders have a clue about Clive Palmer, because you don’t understand Queensland politics.
Clive is essentially a score-settler. The wounds go deep. He will do anything to damage the Coalition in general and the LNP in Queensland in particular.
His loathing for Noddy Newman and his clique is immeasurable.
Prepare for s*it stirring of epic proportions, and lots of free publicity for Clive – which drives him on – kind of Pavlovian response.
Most of all he loves a stoush…..

True about the “stoushes”. He wants to be thought the “lovable Aussie larrakin” type, I’m not sure that’s sustainable in our cynical political style now.
However it is a bit fascinating to see how he and the PM get on.

The re-run election should never have been allowed to proceed in the first place. The original result should have stood.

Great – six more years of that brain damaged parasite ludlum hoovering peoples taxes and advocating the type of policies and beliefs that no so long ago would have landed the frigging moron in an insane asylum.

I agree with you, entropy. But then we start to run up against Westminster conventions which render Palmer’s direct participation in the HoR to be functionally useless.

He should be there, you’re right. I don’t think he should be allowed into the chamber just to drop the occasional curly one during QT. Some adjustment to the standing orders for Members who are derelict in their duty to their constituents is appropriate.

As big a twat as Numbres is, he is right about the initial motivation of Palmer. Newman said no to him. Simple as that.

Palmer expected the days of the white shoe brigade to have returned withe election of the LNP. He wanted to not have to comply with the law with respect to environmental requirements and landing approvals for his Galilee basin coal mines, rail line and abbott point development. You may disagree that those laws exist, but they are currently the law.

There are two projects, and Gina’s was more developed at the time so got Coordinator General prioritisation. Ironically, that project has had some delays and now Clive’s is progressing and getting Co-ordinator General status. Doesn’t matter though, as the elephant never forgets when he doesn’t get his way and someone has the temerity to say no.

The irony of people like Numbres is that instead of claiming Newman had unnecessarily upset Palmer and thus needs to be turfed, is if Newman had run roughshod of the regulations to keep Palmer happy, Numbres would be using that to claim Newman was a tool of Palmer and needed to be turfed. I guess it’s ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ and all that.

True. I’ve noticed with some Labor leaning people they are very fond of Clive Palmer, when you’d normally expect them to be opposites. Because of the big mining, “carbon footprint”, big business and wealth, everything they usually despise. It’s a strange world sometimes !

You have a major comprehension problem.
Nowhere did I write anything in praise of Palmer. His party is a dangerous development in Australian politics. Wealth buys votes – something we can do without.
Palmer is a uniquely Queensland phenomenon. There has been a whiteshoe brigade loose in this state for a long time. It faded when Jackboot Jo fell from grace, but it has always been just below the surface. It’s roots are in the Gold Coast, but its tentacles spread anywhere there is money and vested interest.
The LNP government is up to its ears in it, and the Caltabiano phenomenon was just one symptom.
Newman has eviscerated the CMC, and now the whiteshoes have free reign.
Palmer was one of them, but he didn’t get his way, and he won’t ever forget it.
Government in Queensland under the LNP more closely resembles the Cosa Nostra than Westminster.

Remember (I know that’s a tough word for some) Palmer’s statements from within the LNP’s victorious election press conference. That’s right, at that point the United Australia Party was a historical relic and the Palmer United Party required a DeLorean to access.

You know something, Rabz – I couldn’t give a stuff what you think.
Coming from someone as deranged as you, abuse is a confirmation that I’m on the right track.
Your values are beyond delusional.
Even on a Glibertarian blog like this one, lunacy stands out.
In your case, like the proverbial dog’s balls……

The troll explains why he’s the lowest form of life. His own blog has no audience, so he has to go and get attention annoying everyone at a blog with a mass audience. Lowest form of life, you human garbage.

I’ve noticed with some Labor leaning people they are very fond of Clive Palmer, when you’d normally expect them to be opposites. Because of the big mining, “carbon footprint”, big business and wealth, everything they usually despise.

Don’t forget the the ALP have unionist roots. Unions don’t benefit from destroying industry, just from squeezing for a bigger slice of the action. A lot of the regular rank and file don’t give a hoot about da Warming and da Footprint. They want jobs, with good pay.

When you discover the mysteries of simple English punctuation, you might stand a snowball’s chance to mix it with me at the pedant level.

So drop that shit because I swear to god I’ve forgotten far more about that kind of thing than you’ve ever known. I will take you to the cleaners if you want to go down that path. Happy to, it’s an easy win for me.

But…ideas, Pissant, ideas. Stop your retreats on pedantic grounds – it’s the uncontested preserve of the defeated. Besides, if you’re going to be a pedantic fuckwit, you’d better make goddamn sure you’re word perfect. And that you are most certainly not.

So, now that’s out of the way, hit me with your best shot. I thoroughly humiliated you the last time you decided to tangle with me over your special subject. So much so that you just disappeared from the thread instead of conceding the point, which (and let me into a little secret here) pretty much has the same effect. You thought I didn’t notice? Of course I did.

Those numbers that Piers Ackerman noticed, “don’t add up”, can some numbers person here crunch them against this piece in the SMH on 28-3-2014 -

People are leaving NSW for Victoria at a record rate.

New interstate migration figures compiled from Medicare and census data show a net 6900 people, a record, moved to Victoria in the year to September – more than to any other state.

It is the first time Victoria has beaten Queensland as Australia’s most popular internal migration destination.

More than half the inflow, about 3800, was from NSW. The tide is equivalent to seven cars a day heading down the Hume Highway without plans to return.

”It’s cheaper to find somewhere to live in Melbourne than it is Sydney,” Monash University demographer Robert Birrell said.

”Melbourne has been better at building houses.”

NSW lost a net 12,400 of its residents to interstate moves. The only other states to suffer a net outflow were Tasmania and South Australia.

NSW has for many years had a net outflow, offset by high arrivals from overseas. It maintained its position as the gateway to Australia in the year to September, taking in a net 70,000 migrants, about 30 per cent of the national total. It lost 49,100 residents through deaths and gained 99,640 through births.

NSW’s population increased by just 1.5 per cent, one of the slowest growth rates in the nation. Queensland’s rose 1.8 per cent, Victoria’s 2 per cent and Western Australia’s 3.1 per cent. Only South Australia and Tasmania reported slower growth, with rates of 0.9 per cent and 0.2 per cent. Even in absolute terms, the NSW increase of 108,100 was beaten by Victoria, whose population rose by 110,500.

Dr Birrell said a rebalancing process was taking place as the mining boom wound down. Internal migration to Western Australia and Queensland was slowing. NSW and Victoria had growth industries of the future such as education and finance and stood to benefit. But Victoria was an easier place to find housing.

The development level of an individual who communicates in this fashion is typically early adolescence, unless there is an intellectual impairment. Such an impairment might explain the gap between chronological age and functional age.

Ok, so thanks Pissant. I must admit I’ve greatly enjoyed deploying extreme arrogance in provoking and subsequently dismissing with ease the feeble challenge you managed to muster. This is a tactic I despise. Against you, however, it just feels right. Exception that proves the rule, and all.

When I studied Bloom’s taxonomy back in 1967, it was a hierarchy of educational objectives, not of intelligence or cognitive capacity.
I doubt that has changed.
You’re making a right fool of yourself….

Look, I tried to engage him in the arena of ideas, but he shied away from that. He prefers to lamely attempt to pull rank (oh the irony) on peripheral issues in which his incompetence has been on display for all to see since he first started commenting here.

Come on guys, poor Turtle of WA is feeling bad about living in a State ‘with so many’ Green / Left / Weirdo voters, when we should be comforting him with our own, Great Discomfort, at THE NUMBERS NOT ADDING UP.

How many beyond dodgy, election ‘results’, are we going to laugh off with, “vote early, vote often”, jokes, before we stop treating it like a joke?

Yobbo, the woman concerned was recently given wall-to-wall press coverage about her ‘relationship’ with a transvestite. You know, because there was an election in the home state you share with her. No need for Google.

Nice try, though.

Gaystapo tactic

1: accuse critics of being obesessed with homosexuals.

2. accuse critics of being homosexuals.

3. George Pell.

4. call the police on people who criticise homosexualist totalitarians.

Well done, Numbers. I selected Bloom’s Taxon0my because it’s so dated, rather like yourself. You still haven’t managed to navigate the higher orders of this, however. Thanks for so neatly proving my point.

What a ridiculous dinosaur you are, Pissant. You aren’t even vaguely across that which you claim expert knowledge of. It’s time you disappeared from this thread, right? It’s what you’ve always done in the past when faced with total humiliation.

is sarah hanson young a vegan? is veganism going to get the next leader of the greens elected?.

Oh, please! She either fattest or second fattest parlientarian (depending if she’s retaining water ahead of her period – which I believe she currently is). HTF could she be a vegan? I mean, cows reach 500kg but she wouldn’t have the time.

infers pretty clearly that you believe that it is a measure of IQ or cognitive capacity, particularly as you attempted to misuse it as a form of abuse.
It isn’t.
It is an organization (a taxonomy) of educational objectives into “domains”.
Benjaman Bloom’s classified the different objectives that educators set for students into cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains.
Its particular importance for teachers lies in the notion that the sequence along which learning and teaching occurs is critical, and you’re wasting your time trying to assist students to learn anything if your curriculum and teaching approach ignores this vital sequence.
In each domain, learning at a higher level can’t happen until the prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels is acquired.
I’d leave it alone if I were you. before the hole you’ve begun to dig gets bigger, but that’s your call…..

Benjaman [sic] Bloom’s [sic] classified the different objectives that educators set for students into cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains. […]
In each domain, learning at a higher level can’t happen until the prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels is acquired.

Wikipedia:

Bloom’s taxonomy refers to a classification of the different objectives that educators set for students (learning objectives). It divides educational objectives into three “domains”: cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains.
Within the domains, learning at the higher levels is dependent on having attained prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels.

No this is what happened –
Swing away from the Liberals = 5.5%
Swing away from Labor = 4.8%
Swing away from the Nationals = 2%
Swing away from the Liberal Democrats = 1.6%
Swing towards the Greens = 6.4%
Swing towards the PUP = 7.5%
So 5.5% of disaffected Liberals voted either for the Greens, PUP or Labor, and 4.8% of disaffected Labor voters voted either for the Greens, PUP or the Liberals.
Best guess is that the unhappy Libs voted for PUP (they sure as hell didn’t vote LDP) and the unhappy Labor voters supported the Greens.
Some other observations –
1. Biggest decline in votes was suffered by the Libs.
2. The LDP vote went backwards.
Source – Antony Green’s election blog.

Australians have shown in the past that they have reasonably good bullsh1t detectors.
At the WA senate election, media interference has rendered these devices inoperable.

What have we learned from the WA election result?
. The ABC sponsored greens have performed extra-ordinarily well, a tribute to the power of the ABC.
. Advertising money can distort a result. PUP have demonstrated that seats can be bought. The ALP and LNP will note this.
. The Liberals have shown that they are happy to be the “Government” for the next 2.5 years. Their lack of interest in securing senate seats in WA shows they have no committment to fullfilling their election promises or good governance. Enjoying the trappings of government is enough for them.
. The rise of the greens is the real worry. The enlightenment was the triumph of reason over dogma. The greens are the triumph of dogma over reason, call it the “darkening” if you like. The ALP and the LNP have a short window of opportunity to expose the hypocrisy and deceit of the greens. The solution to the green problem is for the ALP and LNP to jointly put the greens at the bottom of the preference list, in all elections. The ALP won’t do it with their share of the vote heading south of 20%. The problem is that if the ALP and LNP do not challenge the dogma of the greens, then it likely that the ALP will cease to exist as a political force.
. The 20% ALP vote is a disaster for Australian politics. You may hate the ALP but you will dislike the greens even more. The ALP needs to get its act together, if it is survive the medium term. I fear they will try to follow the path of the greens, rather than challenge them. The ALP/unions need to consider the possibility of their WA result replicated nationwide.
. Finally we must acknowledge the evidence that the AEC is now corrupt. Corrupting one election result could be considered unfortunate. The SA gerrymander and the WA nursing home debacle are beyond careless.
The organization needs to be disinfected. We also need to consider updating our voting systems.

What are the higher levels of Bloom’s taxonomy, Numbers? Where have you demonstrated these higher-order cognitive abilities? I tried to engage you on these, but you unfortunately declined.

You don’t understand the purpose of the taxonomy.
It is not (for the third time) about “cognitive ability” .
It ‘s an organization of educational objectives.
I doubt you understand the difference between curriculum (what is taught) and attainment (what a student has learned).
Keep digging….

Incidentally, Bloom’s Taxonomy is terribly hackneyed relic of pedagogy which is basically ignored outside of pedagogy. I was quite interested in Numbers’s claim that he studied Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967. Hm. How old was he then? I seem to recall he trained to be a teacher after his Vietnam service (which I respect, and I believe his posting was between 1970 and 1971). So it’s interesting to me that he was studying Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967.

The average vote against government in byelections is approximately 5.7%. The Abbott Regime, which is about to bring down a budget reining in the former Liars-Greenfilth government’s out-of-control spending and therefore cutting free stuff to mooching scum like communist schoolteachers, suffered a swing away of 5.5%, but will still likely have three WA senators. I encourage the scum to keep frustrating the Abbott Regime and amping up the hatred on AbbottSatan. Then we will get a double dissolution election, after which there will be no scum standing. With any luck, communist schoolteachers will also be purged from the public service as anti-Australian parasites.

So it’s interesting to me that he was studying Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967.

I was at Teachers’ College in 1966 and 1967. My callup (in 1967 when I was 20) was deferred under the standard provisions of the act until I had completed my pre-service training and had worked as a teacher for a year. Hence my service was 1969-70.
OCO’s knowledge of history (particularly as it applies to the National Service Act) is on a par with his grasp of Bloom’s taxonomy.
The consistency of his beclowning is noteworthy.

Not a scam. That was how the act was written.
I find it ironic that a deferment is described as a scam, when the individual was conscripted in the first place.
What would describe the process whereby the majority of 20 year olds escaped the callup because they weren’t balloted in?
Was that also a scam?
And before you start screaming “Vietnam” again, scroll up and observe who introduced it into the thread.

You aren’t demonstrating any knowledge of Bloom’s Taxonomy, numbers. It’s pathetic. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve refused to engage me on matters that Bloom’s Taxonomy would consider higher order issues, namely the highest order – evaluation. Yet you’ve always run a mile from this and instead fall back on one of the lowest order of knowledge (regurgitating facts – pity numbers is so crap at this).

Seriously, you’re mixing it with someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. And yet you’re taking 20min breaks so you can read up on what I was speaking of. Oh, you didn’t think I’d notice?

Liars and spin for the left. Every single time, Tom. “Noice” to be so predictable.

So a drop of 5.5% is what?
Choose from “fall”, “drop” “went down”…….
Thay all have a similar meaning to “dive”.
And somehow comparisons with historical by election results (as Julie Bishop did on air this morning) is not spin? It was not a by election.

I knew a few like this clown,who went for the deferment thinking if they could stall for long enough Nashos might be cancelled.Big mistake,huge mistake! Instead of doing the few months Nasho they got caught up like the resident fool and just like the resident fool never got over it. They’re still whinging about the unfairness of it all and are best avoided.

You aren’t demonstrating any knowledge of Bloom’s Taxonomy, numbers. It’s pathetic. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve refused to engage me on matters that Bloom’s Taxonomy would consider higher order issues, namely the highest order – evaluation.

You really do post lies.
What you wrote is –

You’re still on the bottom rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy, aren’t you?

By definition, an individual cannot be placed on the “rung” of a taxonomy.
A taxonomy is a classification into ordered categories.
You mistook Bloom’s taxonomy for a measure of cognitive capacity, and have been trying distraction ever since.
It is not used to describe a person’s capacity.
You plucked it out of your head to try to impress the usual suspects (they are easily impressed) and in the process misused it, showing clearly your ignorance of the subject.
Then you tried to distract by having a go at me because I was deferred and showing your ignorance of history in the process.
Try something else – you know, third time lucky etc….

And whilst you’re floundering around, show me the “higher order” matter that I refused to engage you on.

Finally we must acknowledge the evidence that the AEC is now corrupt. Corrupting one election result could be considered unfortunate. The SA gerrymander and the WA nursing home debacle are beyond careless.

Keep in mind that these are not the only examples of the ‘way beyond dodgy’ AEC, and they go back, including when during the hunt to track down and enroll everyone, including HOMELESS ‘people’, people who were enrolled, were turning up to vote to find they no longer existed.

Actually, if Cats are already board with talking about this WA Senate, re-run election, how about chatting about and listing all those very many dodgy procedures and results, just from when Rudd was first inflicted on us.
Any more would make the thread way too long.

I knew a few like this clown,who went for the deferment thinking if they could stall for long enough

Given that you are still going on about Vietnam…
I did not “go for deferment”.
There was an agreement between the Dept of Labour and National Service that all teachers called up during their pre-service training were deferred until they had taught for a year. This was based on the legislation at the time. The only choice I could have made would have been to enlist immediately. If I had done that, I would have lost my job, and forfeited any right to reinstatement on RTA.
I continue to be gobsmacked by the level of ignorance and cliche surrounding this stain on our history.

Instead of doing the few months Nasho they got caught up like the resident fool and just like the resident fool never got over it.

That is absolute bullshit.
It made no difference when you were called up, or whether you were deferred, the period of service was two years. There was nothing to gain by deferment except delay. The “few months” was always 24. But then, I wouldn’t expect you to know that.

The “gain” by deferment was the misplaced expectation/hope that Nashos would be cancelled ,as I said I knew a few who thought that they could avoid Nashos if they could stall for long enough but ended up getting caught. Bad luck or as some might say,bad judgement.

Recall that I invited you to engage in a discourse that would constitute higher order communication – evaluation.

And

Look, I tried to engage him in the arena of ideas, but he shied away from that. He prefers to lamely attempt to pull rank (oh the irony) on peripheral issues in which his incompetence has been on display for all to see since he first started commenting here.

OK – Show me where this alleged “refusal to engage” is.
I’m fascinated.

Some other observations –
1. Biggest decline in votes was suffered by the Libs.
2. The LDP vote went backwards.

Shit you’re stupid Bobby. I hope you don’t teach maths. A 4.8% fall ALP vote means that they’re their 2014 primary vote is 18% lower than the than their 2013 primary vote. The Libs vote is 14% lower than 2013.

That inflated Greens vote and the 30,000+ new enrolments means that the two are likely linked.

The Greens vote went down in Tasmania last State election, so I wonder if a majority of Greens from Tassie up and moved to the West to help vote a Greens senator in Federally.

I wouldn’t put it past them – also the Greens vote would have been inflated by Left-wingers who were pissed-off with Labor’s dramas and the stench of Union corruption that is starting to adhere to that party.

Did Bloom come up with a negative scale as well, such as “non-knowledge”, “mis-comprehension”, “anti-analysis”, etc? It’s a shame he didn’t, because that’s really where we’re at with Numbers, an innumerate crank.

Now Fisky beclowns himself by referring to Bloom’s taxonomy as a “scale”.
And OCO has skulked away after being shown up as a liar.
Bruce, also, has done a runner.
What’s the collective noun for weasels?

Numbers, you can call it a pinapple if you like, but obviously any list of outcomes ordered by degree of difficulty or challenge can be called a “scale” in the vernacular. It’s clear that your real aversion to the taxonomy, which you apparently studied in high school (!) is based on your inability to deal with numbers larger than, say, 1 or 2.

Bloom’s taxonomy is not a “scale”.
It it was, it would be called “Bloom’s Scale”.
Show me where I denied any link between government policy and boat arrivals.
Typical Cat technique – if you’ve beclowned yourself change the subject quickly.

One of the most widely used ways of organizing levels of expertise is according to Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives. (Bloom et al., 1994; Gronlund, 1991; Krathwohl et al., 1956.) Bloom’s Taxonomy (Tables 1-3) uses a multi-tiered scale to express the level of expertise required to achieve each measurable student outcome. Organizing measurable student outcomes in this way will allow us to select appropriate classroom assessment techniques for the course.

Numbers, if you honestly think I’m interested in a semantic debate with a complete idiot, you’re wrong. What is unquestionably true is that you predicted confidently last year that boats would continue to arrive irrespective of government policy. Whoops!

I don’t think you want to go there for support. The guy who wrote that believes this:

The truth is that the attacks on 9-11 were perpetrated by Israel, aided and abetted by high officials in the U.S. Government…He makes an irrefutable case that Mossad organized and executed the 9-11 attack. Senior members of the Bush administration were active collaborators.

And, much as I don’t want to say it, what Numbers says about Bloom’s Taxonomy is more accurate than what most others have said.

OCO:

Incidentally, Bloom’s Taxonomy is terribly hackneyed relic of pedagogy which is basically ignored outside of pedagogy.

Well, (a) it is not a “hackneyed relic” but is commonly used to assess the level of complexity of an educational task (I wouldn’t call them educational objectives although they are often described as such).

Oh, and (b) pedagogical concepts that are ignored “outside of pedagogy”? Who would have thought? I’ll bet there are medical concepts that are ignored outside medicine; and engineering concepts that are ignored outside engineering…

Gab
Fascinating but irrelevant. Scales have been developed over the years from Bloom’s original work, but they are used for classifying asesment tools, rather than assessment of individual students.
I pointed this out above when indicating that the poster whoever it was – doesn’t really matter – couldn’t tell the difference between curiculum content and attainment.
And Fisky invents an excuse to disappear when his verballing is called.
Pathetic.

How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID? Australian voters are disgusted with the current process which they know can be, and is being, gamed. There has never been a better opportunity for change. Would make an excellent DD trigger too.

Well no.
When you look back through the comments you’ll notice that when I defend myself from abuse (usually directed at my service, or at my profession) the derailment inevitably follows.
I’m going to continue to defend myself, so there is a very simple solution to derailment.
Avoid ad hom abuse.
This is not rocket science, but the adolescents responsible don’t get it.
Not my problem.

How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID? Australian voters are disgusted with the current process which they know can be, and is being, gamed.

I’ve been saying that for awhile – perhaps along the lines of a plastic swipe card with your name and address coded onto it – you swipe it once when you collect your ballot papers (and also your name gets cross-checked at the same time against the master roll) and your name is electronically ‘marked-off’ for a certain length of time once you have voted – perhaps 62 days. All Governments need to do is not have another Local/State/Federal election in that timeframe.

How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID?

In Queensland every school has connection to the EQ intranet network. Schools are utilized as polling places.
It ought to be technically straightforward to connect through this network to a central master roll, and mark voters as having discharged their responsibility in real time.
Having said that, at one time I ran a school which had a classroom annexe in a large hospital.
It occurred to me that kids hospitalized for long periods would benefit greatly by being able to connect in real time (email/skype) etc with teachers and fellow students in their schools of origin, particularly in secondary, where they could complete assignments and be assessed, avoiding the need to repeat whole semesters to catch up upon discharge.
I set the wheels in motion to make it happen.
For reasons I don’t fully understand, lack of compatibility between the QHealth network and the EQ network was a major problem.
Eventually it was done – took two years and a great deal of persistence, and was a very big deal in the sense that it made the QHealth in-house newspaper.
Perhaps the same issues that delayed this are embedded in the systems used by the AEC.

Do you have any criticism of the content of the information i linked to?

The thing is written as a “conspiracy theory” critique of the taxonomy as a way to change the values of children and control them. (I won’t argue that this is not happening: for the US, see this site.)

In practice, it is just used as a way of thinking about the complexity and difficulty of a particular task, as discussed here, for example.

If you are putting together tasks (e.g. questions in a quiz), then it is a useful tool to ensure that different aspects of education — recall, understanding, application, etc. — are evaluated.

The author also seems to view every kind of behavioural change as if it were malevolent and designed to pursue an agenda (again, I won’t dispute that some educators do have this view). But, if educators aren’t interested in changing their students, what is the point? But teaching someone to understand, rather than just recall facts, is, in itself, not inherently wrong.

And some of what he says is simply wrong:

A person’s environment would have only a very slight and indirect impact on whether someone retains what they have learned in school.

Note that no reference is provided for this ridiculous assertion.

It is very important to note that, whatever Bloom himself thought, the taxonomy is now used in general teaching (in my experience) as discussed in the “Successful Teaching” blog post (I only grabbed that post as an example of the use of the taxonomy; that’s the first time I’ve seen the site): a useful tool for thinking about tasks, not more.

My response was based on Senile Old Guy’s (that makes two of us) link in his response:

I don’t think you want to go there for support. The guy who wrote that believes this:

The truth is that the attacks on 9-11 were perpetrated by Israel, aided and abetted by high officials in the U.S. Government…He makes an irrefutable case that Mossad organized and executed the 9-11 attack. Senior members of the Bush administration were active collaborators.

SOG’s link was to Edward Hendrie who is a conspiratorial nutter who hates Jews, Catholics, Communists, Masons, etc. etc.

The thing is written as a “conspiracy theory” critique of the taxonomy as a way to change the values of children and control them.

I’ve been in the field (teaching) since 1968. I’d agree that Bloom’s taxonomy is mostly used as an organizational tool, particularly for assessment.
What I find bizarre is the tendency (extant on many Right wing blogs like this one) to regard any attempt to organize curriculum as essentially subversive.
It resembles the characterization of Islam as evil.
When I studied Comparative Religion at U of Q in 1973, it was considered benign.
The lunatics are taking over the asylum…….

mmm…yes….can’t help but notice how much, so many, don’t want to talk about an election (we only had to have, again, because ‘our’ electoral watchDOGS “lost” so many ballots), on the thread created to talk about that election.

Isn’t chit chat, facebooking and dribbling shit, what the Open Thread is for?

While there are ways around the indelible ink- and the ink won’t stop pre-pollers having another bite of the cherry- it would help to reduce the number of repeat voters. However, the integrity of the roll must be the main priority. No more votes from dead people, pets or invented personae.

Sorry, did Numbers just refer to a respected Phd-qualified teacher trainer as a “clown”? It rather looks like he did. Disgraceful, unprofessional and possibly defamatory. He should be disciplined at once by the relevant authorities and banned from teaching forever.

The Wikipedia entry on Election Ink claims Canada and the USA have used it to prevent multiple voting, although it does not provide references. I’m curious to know when and where. Canada has recently brought in photo ID in order to vote, sparking the usual claims of disenfranchising the poor and indigent.

Notafan. Postal votes are returned to the AEC in two envelopes. The first is a std reply paid envelope. The completed ballot paper is placed in a second ballot envelope that has a tear-off tab attached on which the voter writes his name, address and makes declaration that the vote complies with the Act. Before postal votes are counted, the voter’s name is crossed off the roll and the tab is torn off. The unopened ballot envelopes are then opened enmasse thus preserving the secrecy of the each individual vote.

The problem is that each polling booth has its own paper rolls and duplicate voting isn’t discovered until months after the poll has been declared.

Snoopy, that was the issue I was trying to get to, having postal votes undermines any attempt to rein in voter fraud.
If we allow prepoll and send AEC around old people homes maybe electronic voting for remote and overseas?
Then the election results would be finalised more quickly?
How many countries use postals?

Postal and prepoll votes simply give the fraudster two more opportunities to make multiple votes in addition to visiting all polling booths.

A problem with postal votes is that you can easily (unlawfully) vote after election day. By law the ballot should be posted on before 6.00 pm on election day, but the law also allows ballots to be returned to the AEC up to TEN! days after the election. The AEC does not check post marks. This is obviously open to abuse in close elections where people have the advantage of knowing the result before casting their vote.

Not really.
After OCO retired hurt, Fisky buggered off to sort his/her offspring, and Bruce went quiet, I was left with nobody to make look silly.
You have a strange concept of “pasting”.
And politichix is correct.
See #1254743.