Funny how the right wing crowd was absolutely outraged by Joe Biden's interrupting and yet has no qualms with Mitt having to get the last word on every. single. question. During the first debate it seemed like he got the last word every single time, and during the second debate he got visibly pissed off when Crowley refused to let him do it again.

Mitt looked like he was absolutely fuming when Obama ended the night on his comment about the 47%. I honestly expected him to interrupt Obama's final statement.

incendi:bv2112: Before we get all conspiracy-minded, could it perhaps be because there were occasions where a candidate did not use his full allotment of 2-minutes?

Uhh, I mostly saw them use the 2 - minute timer running out as the indication that they should maybe start thinking about how they might possibly eventually finish out their answer.

Yea, but for the most part they just started to set up their comments so they could end them when the moderator finally broke in. I think if the moderator never broken in neither one of them would ever stop talking.

Not that I blame them. These bogus, staged debates are mostly just campaign stops anyway where they can spew the standard talking points (although this one was a bit more interesting than normal), so they might as well take advantage all they can and force the moderator to be the one to enforce timing.

I think that was Lehrer's biggest mistake. He assumed politicians would just play by the rules when he should have known they were just going to talk and talk and talk until he told them to shut up.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:I think that was Lehrer's biggest mistake. He assumed politicians would just play by the rules when he should have known they were just going to talk and talk and talk until he told them to shut up.

As far as mistakes go, that's right up there with getting involved in a land war in Asia.

Vegan Meat Popsicle:incendi: bv2112: Before we get all conspiracy-minded, could it perhaps be because there were occasions where a candidate did not use his full allotment of 2-minutes?

Uhh, I mostly saw them use the 2 - minute timer running out as the indication that they should maybe start thinking about how they might possibly eventually finish out their answer.

Yea, but for the most part they just started to set up their comments so they could end them when the moderator finally broke in. I think if the moderator never broken in neither one of them would ever stop talking.

Not that I blame them. These bogus, staged debates are mostly just campaign stops anyway where they can spew the standard talking points (although this one was a bit more interesting than normal), so they might as well take advantage all they can and force the moderator to be the one to enforce timing.

I think that was Lehrer's biggest mistake. He assumed politicians would just play by the rules when he should have known they were just going to talk and talk and talk until he told them to shut up.

I'd like to live in a world with unicorns, rain that is made of candy and gold bricks, and political debates that didn't require third party moderation.

CorporatePerson:Funny how the right wing crowd was absolutely outraged by Joe Biden's interrupting and yet has no qualms with Mitt having to get the last word on every. single. question. During the first debate it seemed like he got the last word every single time, and during the second debate he got visibly pissed off when Crowley refused to let him do it again.

Mitt looked like he was absolutely fuming when Obama ended the night on his comment about the 47%. I honestly expected him to interrupt Obama's final statement.

So did I, especially after seeing him chanting "GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS!" during Obama's time like he was a freaking protestor or something.

sprawl15:Dusk-You-n-Me: Romney ceded some of his time by directly asking Obama questions, a violation of debate rules.

ANSWER THE QUESTION

Well, I-

ANSWER THE QUESTION

Let me exp-

ANSWER THE QUESTION

OK, the situation is more complicated than you're making it because bla bla bla.

WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM TALK

The hilarious thing is, he didn't even learn his lesson after that. He tried the exact same thing again with the "Have you looked at your pension?!" bit. I don't even know what he was trying to accomplish there.

Obama got the first question from the college kid asking about his prospects for a job after college. Obama rambled on and on about factory jobs, just what the kid went to college for Mr. Pres, working on the line in a factory, thanks for not listening to and then not answering the question but drawing out the answer.

thurstonxhowell:Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: There's a singular gripe I can see regarding the moderator and that was her "fact check" that needed its' own fact check.

Obama called it an act of terror. Romney said he did not call it an act of terror. Both events were recorded on video. You can watch them. If you can't watch them because you're at work or something, the transcripts are available all over the web. What further fact checking do you need?

The moderator even tried to rescue Romney by essentially saying "There's this other retarded point you probably wanted to raise which is technically correct", but by then it was too late.

vygramul:I don't believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not.

--Mitt Romney, consistently ignorant of what the Republican position is. And, really, he doesn't actually care what it is.

Actually, I thought this was an example of Mitt lying by using weasel words. He wants the public to think that Obama is lying when he says Mitt and the GOP want to limit access to contraceptives. So he says -specifically- that he thinks all women should have access to contraceptives. But he very specifically doesn NOT say that insurance should cover it. So, sure, you can have contraceptives... IF YOU PAY FOR THEM OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET. Otherwise, he DOES believe that employers should be allowed to prevent their insurance companies from covering contraceptives.

This sub-atomic dissection of the debates by the media has got to stop. People are mostly intelligent enough to make up their own minds, and the ones who aren't are confused enough already; this isn't helping them any.

Tyee:Obama got the first question from the college kid asking about his prospects for a job after college. Obama rambled on and on about factory jobs, just what the kid went to college for Mr. Pres, working on the line in a factory, thanks for not listening to and then not answering the question but drawing out the answer.

Actually I believe the factory jobs he was discussing were skilled jobs for engineers who design indstrial processes. And maintenance engineers that repair and maintain robotics and equipment. You know high paying high end technology jobs that also help us improve our manufactoring base.

MugzyBrown:redmond24: Democrats all agreed Obama sucked the first debate. Even Obama admitted as much.

Romney loses and its the moderator's fault. Vast liberal conspiracy.

Their act is so old.

I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"

The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.

The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

Biological Ali:sprawl15: Dusk-You-n-Me: Romney ceded some of his time by directly asking Obama questions, a violation of debate rules.

ANSWER THE QUESTION

Well, I-

ANSWER THE QUESTION

Let me exp-

ANSWER THE QUESTION

OK, the situation is more complicated than you're making it because bla bla bla.

WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM TALK

The hilarious thing is, he didn't even learn his lesson after that. He tried the exact same thing again with the "Have you looked at your pension?!" bit. I don't even know what he was trying to accomplish there.

I htought Obama looked like a tool. It's a blind trust.

Huh?

Mr President, do you have a pension?

Huh? Um not as big as yours...ha ha

Mr President, if you have a pension, you have a blind trust and you too have off shore invenstment.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I - I certainly do. I certainly do. I - I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I - I - I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.

MS. CROWLEY: It - he did in fact, sir.

(crosstalk)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)

bulldg4life:Graffito: Lurking Fear: tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those poor southerners who vote republican and defend them despite logic or reason because you know, someday he'll be rich and those republican policies will finally work in his favor.

tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those laid-off workers who complains about the 47% slackers whilst living off of unemployment comp and food stamps. He'd have a job if it weren't for that damn Obama.

Considering he has openly commented on how Fark isn't as lucrative for paid trolls as it used to be...whatever he strikes you as is a fiction that you're wasting your time creating.

MyRandomName:Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.

I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.

Well, let see, invest in roads and other infrastructure. That would require that products be made like paints, road markers, asphalt, rails, steel girders, concrete, rebar, etc. All he wold have to do is limit the sources of said products to "Made in the USA"

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I - I certainly do. I certainly do. I - I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I - I - I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.

MS. CROWLEY: It - he did in fact, sir.

(crosstalk)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)

MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror.

Even MS Crowely admited she shouldn't have said anything as Romeny was correct on his point. The actual trasncript says the US doesn't stand for acts of terror (in a broad sense). But Obama and his adminstration for weeks decarled this specific act to be a spontainous anti video demonstration.

MyRandomName:Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.

I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.

How the hell is Mitt going to create 12 million jobs? He might as well announce that he's going to cure cancer. Talk is cheap, and most non-partisan economists think his economic plan is ridiculous.

One thing I noticed is that he continually got the unemployment numbers wrong by about 12 million. Maybe that's his plan. He'll start using the BLS numbers after getting into office and claim credit for getting jobs for the 12 million phantom jobless.

Danger Mouse:MugzyBrown: redmond24: Democrats all agreed Obama sucked the first debate. Even Obama admitted as much.

Romney loses and its the moderator's fault. Vast liberal conspiracy.

Their act is so old.

I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"

The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.

The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

If you're intellectually honest you would admit this.

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How much organization does it take to send a bunch of emails to clerics that will get pissed off by that crappy video and sneak a couple of rpg's next to a embassy in the middle east? My question is where did the idiot get the money for the trailer?

davideggy:Obama talked more because Romney was too stupid to learn about the debate format and kept whining that he wasn't allowed to have the last word a "fair" amount of the time while the moderator told him multiple time that that is not how this format works.

HA. He was very upset that he was not allotted the last word every time.BTW - we cannot afford anymore silver-spooned presidents who throw a tantrum and invade a country every time they don't get their way.

Graffito:How the hell is Mitt going to create 12 million jobs? He might as well announce that he's going to cure cancer. Talk is cheap, and most non-partisan economists think his economic plan is ridiculous.

Actually, a bunch of economists agree that there would be a growth of 12 million jobs over the next four years regardless of who's elected.

bv2112:Graffito: How the hell is Mitt going to create 12 million jobs? He might as well announce that he's going to cure cancer. Talk is cheap, and most non-partisan economists think his economic plan is ridiculous.

Actually, a bunch of economists agree that there would be a growth of 12 million jobs over the next four years regardless of who's elected.

MyRandomName:Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.

I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.

Everyone knows Obama could have dropped trou, spread his cheeks and beefed a premie on stage and Candy and the rest of his followers at CNN would have applauded and called him the greatest debater since Plato. I don't expect objectivity from CNN or Fox News, that's why I rely on magic beans and the ramblings of decrepit women.

SouthParkCon:Everyone knows Obama could have dropped trou, spread his cheeks and beefed a premie on stage and Candy and the rest of his followers at CNN would have applauded and called him the greatest debater since Plato. I don't expect objectivity from CNN or Fox News, that's why I rely on magic beans and the ramblings of decrepit women.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I - I certainly do. I certainly do. I - I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I - I - I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.

MS. CROWLEY: It - he did in fact, sir.

(crosstalk)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)

MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror.

Even MS Crowely admited she shouldn't have said anything as Romeny was correct on his point. The actual trasncript says the US doesn't stand for acts of terror (in a broad sense). But Obama and his adminstration for weeks decarled this specific act to be a spontainous anti video demonstration.

Hillary and Obama even cut a info commercial for Pakistan blaming the video. Maybe Romney could roll a clip on Monday.