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"Jew in the bible is not the jews of today you know? Jew is a translation of another race/religion. The jews of today come from the day he dided. "

Nope, the Jewish religion is the same basic thing it was during Jesus's time; jews have been around for a long [censored] time. For Jews, nothing changed when Jesus died other that that eventually a new religion sprung up.

"Muslim there is a split further back in time."Actually, Muslim is the newest of the three religions, starting with Muhammad.

Never realized that all of those things happened on the same date, that's [censored] up.

*goes back into lurk mode*

"There is no end. There is no beginning. There is only the infinite passion of life." --Fellini

ya, the muslim religion is the newest, but the lineage goes back to Abraham who had 2 sons: Jacob, and that [censored] child (the name escapes me). Jacob, who had his name changed to 'Isreal' is the beginning of the lineage for jews. The [censored] child is the beginning of the lineage for the arabs. There are predictions in the Bible that the 2 brothers/nationalities would never get along.

Even if you don't believe in christianity, the Bible is a darn good history book.

Then there was the protestant reformation, when King Henry the 8th decided he wanted a divorce, but the pope would not allow it. So he created the church of England, which now is called the Episcopal church, the main differences are that the Episcopal church allows priests to be married with children, and have divorce. Remember this country was originally founded because of religious persecution; the Quakers are the only group I can think of as I write this.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.--General George S. Patton

I don't know if I believe in God and stuff, but I agree that most (if not everything) of the stuff in the Bible happened or is based on something that happened. Watching those shows on A&E or Discovery or TLC where they talk about different things words could mean because of translations, I wonder how much we have messed it up from how it is supposed to be. It's always funny when people say "NO SCIENCE IS WRONG IT IS JUST LIKE IN THE BIBLE" instead of thinking that maybe God did what he did the way science says it happened. Ah well, the irony is there Obi, I only knew about Columbine and Hitler. Messed up.

“Whoever wins writes the history.” That was meant more towards who wins the war writes the history of it, but it is still true in this case. Look at what happened in Oklahoma or Columbine, these were events that one American did towards another. So it is almost a self inflicted black eye. But now look at the WTC someone else caused that, the fact that we were able to move on and rebuild says a lot about ourselves.

What I am trying to say is that we forget what we do not like or does not look good. Oklahoma and Columbine we did not like because we caused them, so they are not remembered as well as something like WTC, were our perseverance is something to admire.

One the note of God: I would recommend watching “Inherit the Wind” (1960). It is about the public school teacher who was taken to court for teaching Darwin in a public school in Tennessee. You might remember the name from history class “The Scopes Monkey Trial.” During the trial some good questions are raised dealing with creationism and Darwinism.

If God does not exist then religion is the largest misconception in history. How many millions of bibles are sold annually? How many people say they are Christian? We should start a “Does God/god exist?” string in the debate section.

I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.--General George S. Patton

Science or religion. I simply weigh probabilities and evidence and make my opinion on the most logical answer.

Which would you go for, evolutionism with all of its loop-holes and falacies and who even darwin admitted was extremely unlikely, or creationism that HAS a lot of evidence to support it, and yet isn't proved.

For certain I believe there's a good supernatural force, and a bad supernatural force. Whether you wish to call them God and Satan and worship one or the other is a matter of choice. Perhaps if I die today I'll never go to heaven cause I haven't been worshiping God. But at least I'm not fanatical AGAINST the idea that there's a God. There's a lot of people who are, and this bugs me. I don't like it when people refuse to consider ANY idea. ANYTHING is possible, and the theory of God seems more likely than the alternatives.