to my fellow black posters, do you ever consider the fact that we're the only ones on this planet without a homeland? if this planet got a bit too goofy and decided to repeat world war 2 or merely just adolf's adventures, but this time pushing everyone back to their root country or be killed off for not leaving, black people (of n.america) would be doomed. there is no part of africa in which the black american is all that liked, not to mention why would you go back to the very people that sold you off in the first place (and was upset when the slave trade over here slowed down)? you wouldn't. everyone else has a homeland to run back to, but we do not. even if we could go to africa, we'd still be under the thumb of the rest of the world.

our current residence isn't even a country, as the united states is a world trading post. this is wal mart. no one can call this country home; anyone that could is all but killed off. this is the source of the world to trade goods, and that is really all its purpose was ever meant to be, hence why we sold out so easily on producing anything other than arms and consumers (yes, america has all but perfected creating consumers).

people are just as racist as they ever were. we've just got a lot more incentive to be tight lipped about it, but as long the sentiment remains, so shall the seeds for such a hallow hate. Obama is a lot more african than he is black american, which does reflect on how so far he hasn't appeared to be a black president. nothing about his time in office makes me feel he's behaved in any manner than a white president wouldn't. he's african, and he didn't grow up in the same environments that the same black who voted for him somehow thinks he can relate to them about, just because his skin is darker.

idk...i'm just wondering what we're going to do. black americans are a product of a market. we aren't looked at as citizens or equal around the world, but as slaves, even today; still bleeding over whips and chains, just now we're too stupid to not believe everyone else who tells we look great just as we are, don't strive for too much.

you would think all these rich ass athletes would put their money together and try to cut out our own piece of land. that is what should have happen when slavery was abolished in the US, they should have worked something out we're all the newly free black people we're sent to their own version of puerto rico or something. it works out, because technically the slaves we're purchased, it was business, and there was no obligation to share the land with the slaves once our morality caught up to us. because this relationship isn't going to work. being a black american is a reminder of the stain on united state's history. i just can't imagine america, black people, and the world ever getting over that when looking at a black person.

I'm a white dude and this post hurts... I could imagine how pissed some of your fellow African Americans must feel towards you after you've expressed how low you think of them. I would try and talk to someone about your view points, someone professional. For the first time...I think I've been mind fucked....I really don't know what to say... I hope one day you can embrace yourself as an American, and more importantly embrace your fellow Americans, African and otherwise.

what? where am i thinking low of black people? its me thinking in our favor that i wish we would wise up to the reality that we don't have a place on this planet, and we need to start building something.

i just don't know how a lot of people (some replying here) can act like this world (let alone the US) is on a fast track to the perception of black americans not being one that is automatically negative. we're 7% of the population yet somehow 100% of the problems? i know they have the media to 'prove' it, but i just can't shake that this game will forever be rigged. and if that's the case, i really wish there was a home country i could return to when the US finally commits to being world wal mart, and in order to gain citizenship you need to own a business.

what? where am i thinking low of black people? its me thinking in our favor that i wish we would wise up to the reality that we don't have a place on this planet, and we need to start building something.

i just don't know how a lot of people (some replying here) can act like this world (let alone the US) is on a fast track to the perception of black americans not being one that is automatically negative. we're 7% of the population yet somehow 100% of the problems? i know they have the media to 'prove' it, but i just can't shake that this game will forever be rigged. and if that's the case, i really wish there was a home country i could return to when the US finally commits to being world wal mart, and in order to gain citizenship you need to own a business.

To me it sounds like you're calling every African American a non American or "unreal" American citizen, maybe I read that wrong, but even me as a white dude, if someone told me I wasn't an American citizen, I would be a little upset at that. I love my country and I love her citizens, in the grand scheme of things, it's "us" against the rest of the world... When something goes wrong, we all have each other to fall back on.. The part about not sleeping with an African "American" was a bit confusing to me also, it almost sounded like a hint of racism, like you were racist against her because she was a black American.. I'm not sure if that doesn't open up some worm hole in the universe or something, I don't know if its possible for an African American to be racist towards another African American.. I don't know... Maybe it works if your just racist towards her because of her "American" part..

I'm wondering honestly if your confusing maybe some of the way Americans are bickering back and fourth about immigration and the needed immigration reform with some sort of hate for African Americans? If maybe that has something to do with it, I can tell you its never been about black immigrants, more about illegal Mexican and Canadians.

To me it sounds like you're calling every African American a non American or "unreal" American citizen, maybe I read that wrong, but even me as a white dude, if someone told me I wasn't an American citizen, I would be a little upset at that. I love my country and I love her citizens, in the grand scheme of things, it's "us" against the rest of the world... When something goes wrong, we all have each other to fall back on.. The part about not sleeping with an African "American" was a bit confusing to me also, it almost sounded like a hint of racism, like you were racist against her because she was a black American.. I'm not sure if that doesn't open up some worm hole in the universe or something, I don't know if its possible for an African American to be racist towards another African American.. I don't know... Maybe it works if your just racist towards her because of her "American" part..

well if citizenship was related to who helped build this place, then black americans could definitely say we're citizens. but i don't trust my government to not try and take away my citizenship. what do i do if that time comes? simply go over to another country that views black americans as negatively as america? i'm going to do my best go further and life and if i get the opportunity to help with such a project, one that has black americans carving out their own place on the planet.

regarding the black american women thing; its not a matter of not sleeping with them, no. i'm talking about if i was in a position to think that if the race of my children would dictate the quality of their or even prevent them from harm (like the government taking away their citizenship), i want them to have another homeland they can go to and actually have blood ties to it and not have to put up with anyone saying they don't belong. black americans came here in chains, its too easy for people to treat us like we don't belong.

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I'm wondering honestly if your confusing maybe some of the way Americans are bickering back and fourth about immigration and the needed immigration reform with some sort of hate for African Americans? If maybe that has something to do with it, I can tell you its never been about black immigrants, more about illegal Mexican and Canadians.

Could you maybe fill me in on some of the point I touched on?

remember, i'm not saying african americans. black americans (yes of african descent, but there is a difference). african americans are in the same boat as someone who is japanese american. the black american is in a very weird middle of the world where technically they are immigrants (but no more than their white neighbors), but this is very much our home country too, but because we don't control anything, own much of anything, its almost like we have no foundation to stand on in a country we're calling our home. foundation seems necessary.

to my fellow black posters, do you ever consider the fact that we're the only ones on this planet without a homeland? if this planet got a bit too goofy and decided to repeat world war 2 or merely just adolf's adventures, but this time pushing everyone back to their root country or be killed off for not leaving, black people (of n.america) would be doomed. there is no part of africa in which the black american is all that liked, not to mention why would you go back to the very people that sold you off in the first place (and was upset when the slave trade over here slowed down)? you wouldn't. everyone else has a homeland to run back to, but we do not. even if we could go to africa, we'd still be under the thumb of the rest of the world.

our current residence isn't even a country, as the united states is a world trading post. this is wal mart. no one can call this country home; anyone that could is all but killed off. this is the source of the world to trade goods, and that is really all its purpose was ever meant to be, hence why we sold out so easily on producing anything other than arms and consumers (yes, america has all but perfected creating consumers).

people are just as racist as they ever were. we've just got a lot more incentive to be tight lipped about it, but as long the sentiment remains, so shall the seeds for such a hallow hate. Obama is a lot more african than he is black american, which does reflect on how so far he hasn't appeared to be a black president. nothing about his time in office makes me feel he's behaved in any manner than a white president wouldn't. he's african, and he didn't grow up in the same environments that the same black who voted for him somehow thinks he can relate to them about, just because his skin is darker.

idk...i'm just wondering what we're going to do. black americans are a product of a market. we aren't looked at as citizens or equal around the world, but as slaves, even today; still bleeding over whips and chains, just now we're too stupid to not believe everyone else who tells we look great just as we are, don't strive for too much.

you would think all these rich ass athletes would put their money together and try to cut out our own piece of land. that is what should have happen when slavery was abolished in the US, they should have worked something out we're all the newly free black people we're sent to their own version of puerto rico or something. it works out, because technically the slaves we're purchased, it was business, and there was no obligation to share the land with the slaves once our morality caught up to us. because this relationship isn't going to work. being a black american is a reminder of the stain on united state's history. i just can't imagine america, black people, and the world ever getting over that when looking at a black person.

well if citizenship was related to who helped build this place, then black americans could definitely say we're citizens. but i don't trust my government to not try and take away my citizenship. what do i do if that time comes? simply go over to another country that views black americans as negatively as america? i'm going to do my best go further and life and if i get the opportunity to help with such a project, one that has black americans carving out their own place on the planet.

regarding the black american women thing; its not a matter of not sleeping with them, no. i'm talking about if i was in a position to think that if the race of my children would dictate the quality of their or even prevent them from harm (like the government taking away their citizenship), i want them to have another homeland they can go to and actually have blood ties to it and not have to put up with anyone saying they don't belong. black americans came here in chains, its too easy for people to treat us like we don't belong.

remember, i'm not saying african americans. black americans (yes of african descent, but there is a difference). african americans are in the same boat as someone who is japanese american. the black american is in a very weird middle of the world where technically they are immigrants (but no more than their white neighbors), but this is very much our home country too, but because we don't control anything, own much of anything, its almost like we have no foundation to stand on in a country we're calling our home. foundation seems necessary.

Very interesting, some of the things you're touching on. Would you mind sharing a little more on the topic on African Americans vs Black Americans? Are you saying Black Americans are the offspring of the original slaves, while African Americans are simply Blacks who have either migrated to America from Africa or had children born in America, with no cross breeding from black Americans? Kind of like a purist thing?

The United States is an immigrant society. I suggest you either embrace that, or leave. OP is just a tiresome tiresome provincialist.

No one cares.

you haven't been following...the whole point is having the option to leave to a place that is still your home. duh the US is a collection of immigrants, hence the very proof that no one can call this home (outside of the ruling race i suppose, but even then, a lot of that rule is rooted in where these people came from), because it is simply a world trading posts, hence why they let just about everyone come here. there are no immigration issues in the US; there's no difficulty keeping anyone in or getting anyone out. this government knows exactly what its doing, and knows as a world market, it must always go for the money, which means not turning away potential consumers.

i know a bunch of you are labeling me an idiot or crazy, but how can acknowledge a fact like 'black people (in america)' do not have a true homeland (when you consider that this country will never ever move on from slavery, jim crow, the klan, domestic terrorism on black cities), and me wanting us to stop all this silly bs of acting ignorant on tv, supporting BET at all. we look like the ****in clowns of the world and its not completely warranted, or at least the image always wasn't, but lately (last couple decades) we've been playing the role as the ignortainment a bit too willingly while singing kumbayah like just about every other race on this planet wouldn't be happy to see us gone. no matter how deep the roots go to show how much we've contributed; we need our own land. not to oppose anyone else, just so we can contribute without a dark shadow of past raped by racism, torture, and horror. but i'm the crazy idiot...

Very interesting, some of the things you're touching on. Would you mind sharing a little more on the topic on African Americans vs Black Americans? Are you saying Black Americans are the offspring of the original slaves, while African Americans are simply Blacks who have either migrated to America from Africa or had children born in America, with no cross breeding from black Americans? Kind of like a purist thing?

i simply am referring to there being a clear difference between black americans and africans (who have more recent roots in Africa - Nigeria, Ethiopia, etc). there is a complete difference in culture and even they don't look at black americans as the same as them. they don't lack the same family/cultural values..

the state of black americans in this country makes total sense. why we're all out of wack and appear to be without any foundation. its a race rooted in rape and having a servants mentality. a people without forefathers and a motherland; a bastard race. when you see us in the media, or even just around, we reflect this in many ways. still no fathers, no land to call our own (white people will never ever share it; we're barely 7% of the population but are treated like we're 100% of what's wrong with the country).

but yeah, i'm the crazy fella for wanting my people to realize the reality of today and start pulling ourselves up, helping each other up. america is not a bad place, it is what it is, world wal mart, and its very easy (at least now) to make something of yourself here, but you do need a foundation. right now, the black american is lost and i do fear eventually we can get lost in history altogether. we seem to be the only race whose numbers are shrinking. mexicans are killing each other just as fast us (trying to find their identity as well, another race with identity issues) yet they are growing consistently. not a good sign to shrink.

you haven't been following...the whole point is having the option to leave to a place that is still your home. duh the US is a collection of immigrants, hence the very proof that no one can call this home (outside of the ruling race i suppose, but even then, a lot of that rule is rooted in where these people came from), because it is simply a world trading posts, hence why they let just about everyone come here. there are no immigration issues in the US; there's no difficulty keeping anyone in or getting anyone out. this government knows exactly what its doing, and knows as a world market, it must always go for the money, which means not turning away potential consumers.

i know a bunch of you are labeling me an idiot or crazy, but how can acknowledge a fact like 'black people (in america)' do not have a true homeland (when you consider that this country will never ever move on from slavery, jim crow, the klan, domestic terrorism on black cities), and me wanting us to stop all this silly bs of acting ignorant on tv, supporting BET at all. we look like the ****in clowns of the world and its not completely warranted, or at least the image always wasn't, but lately (last couple decades) we've been playing the role as the ignortainment a bit too willingly while singing kumbayah like just about every other race on this planet wouldn't be happy to see us gone. no matter how deep the roots go to show how much we've contributed; we need our own land. not to oppose anyone else, just so we can contribute without a dark shadow of past raped by racism, torture, and horror. but i'm the crazy idiot...

Black people are 12.6% of the population (12.2% if you dont count hispanic blacks). Obama won in 2008 with 52.9% of the vote and 51.1% of the vote in 2012. That means that the people that voted for him (the majority of which werent black) had no problem with calling a black man our president. Also I am going out on a limb here but I am just going to say that the majority of people that voted for the GOP didn't do so for racial reasons.

I dont understand how anyone can say that racism isnt much less of a problem today than in the past. We have a black president, even the hint of racism is roundly condemned, workplace stress diversity, etc.

About the worst thing someone can be in 2013 is a racist. The pure fact that racists have to hide their racism nowadays shows how far we have come in regards to race relations.

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duh the US is a collection of immigrants, hence the very proof that no one can call this home

Honestly America is one of the most patriotic/nationalistic (almost stupidly so) countries on earth. The fact that we are a nation of immigrants means every american citizen regardless of race/ethnicity can call America home.

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(when you consider that this country will never ever move on from slavery, jim crow, the klan, domestic terrorism on black cities)

Slavery and jim crow are both illegal, the klan is not respected by anyone, and I am not even sure what you mean by domestic terrorism in black cities.

When I think of domestic terrorism I think of the OKC bombing which was a white man attacking the US government. If you are talking about inner city violence, the vast majority of that is black on black.

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we seem to be the only race whose numbers are shrinking.

Not that I care about this but thats just factually inaccurate.

Non-hispanic white were almost 90% of the country in 1950, now we are 63.7% of the population.