Some of you may have seen this, but for those who havent this is a really good video of 3 top notch players ripping it with awesome slow mo and freeze frame. If you havent seen it I suggest checking it out. I learned a lot from watching it.

Maybe I'm not seeing what everyone keeps talking about. But when I watch Barry throw I see very little hip action. All I keep hearing from the player critique section is that you have to get more hip action. I seriously don't see much from Barry. What am I missing???

Steady 26542 wrote:Maybe I'm not seeing what everyone keeps talking about. But when I watch Barry throw I see very little hip action. All I keep hearing from the player critique section is that you have to get more hip action. I seriously don't see much from Barry. What am I missing???

Justin has a lot more hip turn in the power generation and follow through both compared to Barry. Barry is leaving more energy to be dissipated in the leg pivot. However; Barry does indeed utilize his hips in the power generation quite well I assume. Without measuring it's hard for me to tell how fast he turns his hips. The less you move in degrees the harder the late acceleration can be. Power focus applies to legs, hips, shoulders and arm. Barry has a compact 10-15 degree hip turn compared to Justin who has about a half more hip turn in the power generation. Because Barry utilizes a small amount of turn it's difficult to see but the slo mo helps. He might be so quick in the hip twist that it's more difficult to notice as well.

Timing is almost everything and it's interesting to see how early Barry twists the little amount he does with the hips. He follows the advice given in the articles on the main page here of plant, hips, shoulders, etc. If I saw correctly he has finished the quick hip twist before the disc leaves his hand. It's like he tries to achieve the correct position with the hip twist but not generate that much acceleration for the plyometric loading of the wrist. That comes from his shoulders more than with other players.

I've seen Källström use hips, shoulders and arm quickly simultaneously unlike Barry with the traditional plant then hips then shoulders etc. linear consecutive sequence. If I've understood correctly Källström's way is what Bradley Walker on this forum has been training for for increased snap lately.

If every body part achieves quick acceleration simultaneously so late that it bends the wrist back at the latest possible time at maximum force to also achieve good speed for optimal speed/RPM ratio then that could yield interesting results Haven't tried to train for that yet. It's been intriguing to think of it though Dunno if it'll work and if it does I have no clue in which position in space each body part should start accelerating. And how hard and where the individual quickest acceleration for each body part should occur. I think there's bound to be some overlap but not total for the best acceleration of different body parts. Perhaps not all the parts can fire at max power exactly simultaneously but when everything is at high power at the same time it should be more than enough. As long as it occurs late in the throw for good late power focus.

It'll be a while before I can train this seriously thanks to injuries. My form and power generation has suffered and I need to compensate and correct some faults I've noticed from trying to spare my hurt ankle. I need to drop my stance from the knees for a better positioning for the left leg push and concentrate on pushing hard with the left leg. Unlike I was instructed to I'm able to shuffle step now with a little hop. I just need to keep my foot angles mild to save my ankle from excess stress. So whatever I find ain't probably the best way for healthy people.

When I can correct previous problems. A round last week I played had 5 drives that ended up 15 degrees left because I didn't push hard enough with the left leg and had too straight knees Training is dangerous right now because my arm's acting up again. I need to spare my arm because I'll be futzing around with technique and playing some holes with Hwicha before Tali Open begins on Friday and I'm off to holidays afterwards so I need to stay healthy.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Steady 26542 wrote:Maybe I'm not seeing what everyone keeps talking about. But when I watch Barry throw I see very little hip action. All I keep hearing from the player critique section is that you have to get more hip action. I seriously don't see much from Barry. What am I missing???

thought I might offer a brief response to this observation... while it is true that Barry uses a bit less hip turn, his back and arm extension is far longer than either Chris or Justin's. IMO, this is where he generates the majority of his power.

Barry isn't using a lot of his hip power - but he also maxes out around 450' or less (I don't recall the distance exactly, but a hole he threw on he commented that it was his max distance these days). He really gets a lot of power and snap with his upper body and is able to keep the nose down, thus he gets some good distance. He's also getting great energy transfer from his motion into the disc. He also takes a much longer final step than the other guys.