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I've fought for immigrants rights here, thought maybe I could in Taiwan as well. No biggie that I can't, after all its not my place to tell them how to run their country. But I wouldn't mind being out there and being "counted" for what it is worth.

Great I read the rest of the phrase, otherwise, I'd be deaf from the bells ringing in my head.

AN, you have not arrived to The Island, yet you sound as if you were making assumptions and looking for a "cause"... which generates a knee jerk reaction. There are "expats/foreigners/permanent residents" here dedicated to noble causes, and if you use the SEARCH command, you will see that there are important issues that would benefit from enthusistic support. That said, usually those who participate have lived here a long time and understand that in Taiwan, as in any other country, there are rules and regulations and steps to take to promote beneficial changes, i.e. to amend a law/lobby for a cause. They also know there are certain restrictions, which are according to the limits of your visa, regarding political participation, and those laws are not draconian, they usually have such in most democracies regarding foreign intervention in local affairs. meaning no one would object to your waving a flag but one you stand up and make a speech you will be walking a fine line. If caught in a protest, yes, that would be stepping that line, and the authorities here would be in their right to boot you out.

Come, have a look, join a group for starters and see how you can benefit others from your experience. Just do not make it sound too steretypical as in reenacting Superman saving the world, which is the lasting impression.

Icon wrote:They also know there are certain restrictions, which are according to the limits of your visa, regarding political participation, and those laws are not draconian, they usually have such in most democracies regarding foreign intervention in local affairs. meaning no one would object to your waving a flag but one you stand up and make a speech you will be walking a fine line. If caught in a protest, yes, that would be stepping that line, and the authorities here would be in their right to boot you out.

This is exactly what the original post was asking. He was asking the long-time residents what those rules are. Seemed pretty innocuous to me. And apparently a valid question, since it sounds like participating in a political protest can get you in trouble. Then he got jumped all over for using the term expat. When I lived in a European country in 2003, I went to a few protests against the Iraq war. Never occurred to me that a foreigner would not be allowed to do such things. I would have been pretty surprised to get booted out over it. In the US, someone with a green card can contribute to and volunteer with political campaigns, and foreigners can participate in non election related political activity. So it's not like the restrictions on such things here should have been obvious to him.

True, but an ARC is not a green card. It seems strange that the OP has already booked a "stand-in" here, but the people he has been in touch with have not told him it is restricted. That I found weird.

Also the tone of the initial inquiry, with th quotation marks, seemed to assume Taiwan was not free, or such was my initial interpretation. His statement came, as one would say, not with the boots on but kicking and screaming.

zyzzx wrote:

Icon wrote:They also know there are certain restrictions, which are according to the limits of your visa, regarding political participation, and those laws are not draconian, they usually have such in most democracies regarding foreign intervention in local affairs. meaning no one would object to your waving a flag but one you stand up and make a speech you will be walking a fine line. If caught in a protest, yes, that would be stepping that line, and the authorities here would be in their right to boot you out.

This is exactly what the original post was asking. He was asking the long-time residents what those rules are. Seemed pretty innocuous to me. And apparently a valid question, since it sounds like participating in a political protest can get you in trouble. Then he got jumped all over for using the term expat. When I lived in a European country in 2003, I went to a few protests against the Iraq war. Never occurred to me that a foreigner would not be allowed to do such things. I would have been pretty surprised to get booted out over it. In the US, someone with a green card can contribute to and volunteer with political campaigns, and foreigners can participate in non election related political activity. So it's not like the restrictions on such things here should have been obvious to him.

TAN -And some of 'em get really pissy if you refer to them as...economic migrant workers....

I am a proud expat American , married (thus have full working rights) who pays taxes here on the island and fully acknowledge the diversity that is universal in life as we know it!

And also, Taiwan is safely considered a "FREE" country. Some of that "FREEDOM" comes with a steep price tag; but its there for ya if ya want it.

"Pardon him, Theodotus; he is a barbarian and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature" --- "Caesar and Cleopatra"...G.B. Shaw-----Kid Rock - Born Free-----"The big sisters are usually hot, but the dads smell of alcohol and tobacco....and have dirty feet with dead toe nails in blue slippers. "...Bob_Honest on "The Culture"------Play stupid games, win stupid prizes------Isaiah 40:31

There was nothing wrong with his post, just people being dicks on forumosa, as usual. I'd say they should let off some steam at an appropriate target - a delinquent bus driver for example - rather than the innocent OP.

BigJohn wrote:There was nothing wrong with his post, just people being dicks on forumosa, as usual. I'd say they should let off some steam at an appropriate target - a delinquent bus driver for example - rather than the innocent OP.

I am sure you know that delinquent means a young person - a non adult - under 18 years of age, right??? Sure you knew that!! I would love to yell at a 17year old bus driver, until then F.com it is.

"It is the weak who are cruel. Gentleness can only be expected from the strong. " - Leo Roston

BigJohn wrote:There was nothing wrong with his post, just people being dicks on forumosa, as usual. I'd say they should let off some steam at an appropriate target - a delinquent bus driver for example - rather than the innocent OP.

I am sure you know that delinquent means a young person - a non adult - under 18 years of age, right??? Sure you knew that!! I would love to yell at a 17year old bus driver, until then F.com it is.

A juveniledelinquent is under 18 years of age, yes. But is a delinquent account under 18 years of age? Delinquent in the face of duty means being under 18 years old in the face of duty? Whazza waaa?

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