I'm almost positive that a vishera that will do 4.9GHz @ 1.464 volts with an 88C socket temp on a crap ASRock board, will do 5GHz at 1.525 +/- on a much nicer Sabertooth with a cooler socket.... but, that's just theory until I prove it I guess.

I'm almost positive that a vishera that will do 4.9GHz @ 1.464 volts with an 88C socket temp on a crap ASRock board, will do 5GHz at 1.525 +/- on a much nicer Sabertooth with a cooler socket.... but, that's just theory until I prove it I guess.

Oh i think it's sound theory. Consider that for just 4Ghz, i saw a 10C difference between the Asrock extreme3 and the Giga UD3P. I mean, 10C difference in the socket with voltage only at 1.28v. The Asrocks overheat BIG time!

I'm almost positive that a vishera that will do 4.9GHz @ 1.464 volts with an 88C socket temp on a crap ASRock board, will do 5GHz at 1.525 +/- on a much nicer Sabertooth with a cooler socket.... but, that's just theory until I prove it I guess.

You might even get more on the kitty. Considering a cleaner power delivery and stuff. Just don't forget active cooling.

I'm almost positive that a vishera that will do 4.9GHz @ 1.464 volts with an 88C socket temp on a crap ASRock board, will do 5GHz at 1.525 +/- on a much nicer Sabertooth with a cooler socket.... but, that's just theory until I prove it I guess.

I wish my 5ghz only needed 1.525v! It needs close to 1.58v to stay stable.

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How many more cases will you buy and how many have you as they just didn't fit your needs. How much did they cost? when you buy a cl. You buy it for life

I understand they are pricy but I got most of nine second hand in the 200-300 range and I see apt of reasonable sales on ocn ( they are rareish ) and Craigslist

I don't care for quality when the ones I am interested from Case Labs cost north of $500. You'll be surprised how little I spent on my computer components from the beginning til now. I bought 4-5 cases in my life time, and that's only cause my computers have been handed down as a whole or repurposed for another use. Never was the reason of purchase due to needing more. The 4-5 times I bought them they cost south of $50 except the 600T I bought for $70 and they are still used today. If you see the need for a CaseLabs then cool. I don't see the need or want to spend $1000+ on just cooling and case alone.

As for CL I'm not blessed to live in a big area so there are no Frys, Microcenter, etc and people try to sell their used items near MSRP. To small for niche market accessories. I swear I'm the only one who sells for a bargain around here. Owning a Case Labs is not high enough on my priority list to scavenge for a deal IMO.

That said I almost bought everything but postponed all purchases related to a case or custom loop parts for now.

I don't care for quality when the ones I am interested from Case Labs cost north of $500. You'll be surprised how little I spent on my computer components from the beginning til now. I bought 4-5 cases in my life time, and that's only cause my computers have been handed down as a whole or repurposed for another use. Never was the reason of purchase due to needing more. The 4-5 times I bought them they cost south of $50 except the 600T I bought for $70 and they are still used today. If you see the need for a CaseLabs then cool. I don't see the need or want to spend $1000+ on just cooling and case alone.

As for CL I'm not blessed to live in a big area so there are no Frys, Microcenter, etc and people try to sell their used items near MSRP. To small for niche market accessories. I swear I'm the only one who sells for a bargain around here. Owning a Case Labs is not high enough on my priority list to scavenge for a deal IMO.

That said I almost bought everything but postponed all purchases related to a case or custom loop parts for now.

The thing he's trying to say is, it would be better to get the CL because you will only buy once, you only buy good once even if it exceeds your budget, expectations and plans. If you're buying the Define S it is a decent case, my gf has one and I'm very impressed with it, I'm yet to put a system in it but she wants to do a Portal themed build and we already hit a road block because she wants 2 loops one blue and one orange but making 2 reservoirs fit inside it will be a struggle! If she bought a CL on the other hand, it would be no issue lol.

I don't care for quality when the ones I am interested from Case Labs cost north of $500. You'll be surprised how little I spent on my computer components from the beginning til now. I bought 4-5 cases in my life time, and that's only cause my computers have been handed down as a whole or repurposed for another use. Never was the reason of purchase due to needing more. The 4-5 times I bought them they cost south of $50 except the 600T I bought for $70 and they are still used today. If you see the need for a CaseLabs then cool. I don't see the need or want to spend $1000+ on just cooling and case alone.

As for CL I'm not blessed to live in a big area so there are no Frys, Microcenter, etc and people try to sell their used items near MSRP. To small for niche market accessories. I swear I'm the only one who sells for a bargain around here. Owning a Case Labs is not high enough on my priority list to scavenge for a deal IMO.

That said I almost bought everything but postponed all purchases related to a case or custom loop parts for now.

The thing he's trying to say is, it would be better to get the CL because you will only buy once, you only buy good once even if it exceeds your budget, expectations and plans. If you're buying the Define S it is a decent case, my gf has one and I'm very impressed with it, I'm yet to put a system in it but she wants to do a Portal themed build and we already hit a road block because she wants 2 loops one blue and one orange but making 2 reservoirs fit inside it will be a struggle! If she bought a CL on the other hand, it would be no issue lol.

You'd only buy it once if you never wanted another case again

Some people just like to change up cases every couple of years and they cannot justify spending that amount of cash on CL and i dont blame them tbh.

The thing he's trying to say is, it would be better to get the CL because you will only buy once, you only buy good once even if it exceeds your budget, expectations and plans. If you're buying the Define S it is a decent case, my gf has one and I'm very impressed with it, I'm yet to put a system in it but she wants to do a Portal themed build and we already hit a road block because she wants 2 loops one blue and one orange but making 2 reservoirs fit inside it will be a struggle! If she bought a CL on the other hand, it would be no issue lol.

I know what he is saying/suggesting and I'm denying the suggestion with a thanks since it doesn't fit my way of thought. I'm not wanting to do a complicated multi loop, different color, 2 reservoirs etc, nor do i want to fit 5+ rads. 'Better' depends on the person. In this situation 'better' would be CL case offering some feature I really wanted to do that the Define S does not offer. But the only thing that CL can offer is the quality, aesthetics (CL cases reminds me of metal file cabinets in a way = not a pro). 420mm + 360mm + 140mm, etc should be a good enough change from a cheap aluminum 240mm rad by way of h100i. The 'You only buy a CL once' honestly only works when it is the first case IMO. Buying it now won't change the cases I bought previously, and since the likeness of buying another case after this (undecided case) is slim to none a decent sub $100 case sounds better than $300-500+. $500+ is way to close to what I spent on an 8350 + CHVFZ + 2x 290X all together.

I've looked at the Define S a bit more and it does have a bit of space constraint. I don't think it will be a big deal with a simple custom loop but who knows, I didn't choose a case yet. The space constraint though could become a pro. I enjoyed cutting up my 600T to make room for a 360mm + 200mm rad in the future. Wouldn't really want to cut up the Define S or any clean looking case though. I just kind of like the clean look of the Define S, the fact I can hide my storage drives in the back, switching side panels to allow a fan to cool the socket without modding the case, while added water cooling support compared to my modded 600T.

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Forget about new cases. I'm going to stick with my roots and stay with the case I have. I can already mount one 360mm at the top so I'm going to try to make a 360mm or 420mm mount in the front.Edited by xKrNMBoYx - 9/23/15 at 8:53pm