This isn't something exclusive to players on the texans roster & coaching staff though, it happens to players all over the league & its usually b/c said player gets exposed.

It happens to players all over the league, for winning & losing teams, its just myopic of us as texans fans to think that only our players regress... Bottom line is, guys who can play will show up or hold relatively steady, guys who can't will eventually get exposed.

No, it's myopic of you to assume that Texans fans think it only happens to this franchise. We fully realize that it happens to players on the Browns, Lions, Bengals, and other perpetually crappy teams.

Where it is least likely to happen is teams like the Patriots, Colts, Steelers...you know, perpetually successful teams that hire FO personnel and coaches that know how to find the right talent and develop it accordingly.

There are always exceptions to the rule, so don't bother cherry picking examples. We have 9 years of watching this franchise flounder for proof. An example here or there does not reverse the trend.

__________________"Football is only a diversion." ~ Houston Texans, Inc.

That's fine. But what did you see out of Larry Johnson in 2009 or 2010 to support that? Lets see... after he was signed by Cinci he gained 204 yds. Wow!

2010 has nothing to do with anything.

We went into the bye week with obvious RB issues. Slaton contracted fumblitus, our coaches didn't trust Ryan Moats (why was he even on the team), and we came out of that week with Chris Brown as our featured back against a division rival. 11 caries, 36 yards.

Larry Johnson wasn't supposed to be our answer. Just our answer then. At the end of the season, we still should have drafted a RB, & let them compete with Foster & Slaton in the offseason.

Chris Brown or Larry Johnson.... that was the question.

How many people do you believe would have made the same decision "we" did?

We went into the bye week with obvious RB issues. Slaton contracted fumblitus, our coaches didn't trust Ryan Moats (why was he even on the team), and we came out of that week with Chris Brown as our featured back against a division rival. 11 caries, 36 yards.

Larry Johnson wasn't supposed to be our answer. Just our answer then. At the end of the season, we still should have drafted a RB, & let them compete with Foster & Slaton in the offseason.

Chris Brown or Larry Johnson.... that was the question.

How many people do you believe would have made the same decision "we" did?

Feature back? - hardly. Brown had 11 attempts as his max that season (and one of the two occasions that happened was at 5.5 ypc so hard to complain about). The main point of Brown being in the game was pass protection. Not sure how Larry Johnson would have helped out in that regard.

No, it's myopic of you to assume that Texans fans think it only happens to this franchise. We fully realize that it happens to players on the Browns, Lions, Bengals, and other perpetually crappy teams.

Where it is least likely to happen is teams like the Patriots, Colts, Steelers...you know, perpetually successful teams that hire FO personnel and coaches that know how to find the right talent and develop it accordingly.

There are always exceptions to the rule, so don't bother cherry picking examples. We have 9 years of watching this franchise flounder for proof. An example here or there does not reverse the trend.

Maybe i'm reading too much into his statement (not surprising) but this is what the guy wrote:

and for whatever reason.. when players come to the Texans, after their first year here, their play goes backwards ... yeah, that is coaching.

Pay attention to the bolded..that piece of the statement. Reading that part of it says To me that he honestly thinks that its our coaching staff thats causing texans players to regress as if it doesn't happen to other teams, winning or losing. All i did was try to point out that players regress for every team..I did not assume that all texans fans thought this; at least that wasn't the intent of my post & to be honest, its the very thing that i hate about some of the opinions on this board... Opinion isn't the truth or what is going to happen no matter how much truth is used to formulate/predict it. yet many including myself at times, try to pass theirs off that way.

The coaching isn't/wasn't worth a damn..we know that..that's a given. But at what point do we say "you know what bill walsh couldn't coach this guy up, he just can't play.." Do some of us really think that coaching is the reason Okoye is a below average DT? Why Pollard can't cover worth a damn? Why Wilson is terrible at FS? I just feel many are giving these crappy players a pass b/c they were brought here by a coach that hasn't been able to get it done.

Committed to winning a championship and knowing how to do so are two different things.

I honestly do not doubt his commitment.

Agreed. People saying McNair "cares about putting an NFL winner on the field" and getting all wrapPed up in their feelings are ignoring the difference about caring and just flat-out knowing how to make it happen.

Maybe i'm reading too much into his statement (not surprising) but this is what the guy wrote:

and for whatever reason.. when players come to the Texans, after their first year here, their play goes backwards ... yeah, that is coaching.

Pay attention to the bolded..that piece of the statement. Reading that part of it says To me that he honestly thinks that its our coaching staff thats causing texans players to regress as if it doesn't happen to other teams, winning or losing. All i did was try to point out that players regress for every team..I did not assume that all texans fans thought this; at least that wasn't the intent of my post & to be honest, its the very thing that i hate about some of the opinions on this board... Opinion isn't the truth or what is going to happen no matter how much truth is used to formulate/predict it. yet many including myself at times, try to pass theirs off that way.

The coaching isn't/wasn't worth a damn..we know that..that's a given. But at what point do we say "you know what bill walsh couldn't coach this guy up, he just can't play.." Do some of us really think that coaching is the reason Okoye is a below average DT? Why Pollard can't cover worth a damn? Why Wilson is terrible at FS? I just feel many are giving these crappy players a pass b/c they were brought here by a coach that hasn't been able to get it done.

Okay, I see your point. I think the problem with the Texans is picking the wrong players to begin with, which is what I believe that you are saying here. We certainly cannot expect some of these players to be 'coached up' to do things that they are simply incapable of doing. They were wrong picks to begin with. Something about polishing a turd goes here.

My buddy is always asking me "players or schemes (coaches)", and I tend to think it comes back to coaches, simply because they are picking the players, as well as the schemes.

I didn't mean to read too much into your post. It just came across in a way (about all fans), so that's where I was coming from. Apologies for the confusion.

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Okay, I see your point. I think the problem with the Texans is picking the wrong players to begin with, which is what I believe that you are saying here. We certainly cannot expect some of these players to be 'coached up' to do things that they are simply incapable of doing. They were wrong picks to begin with. Something about polishing a turd goes here.

My buddy is always asking me "players or schemes (coaches)", and I tend to think it comes back to coaches, simply because they are picking the players, as well as the schemes.

I didn't mean to read too much into your post. It just came across in a way (about all fans), so that's where I was coming from. Apologies for the confusion.

I think you said something about it being players and coaches combined a year or two ago (someone even sports it as a sig or did for a while). I think that was correct.

For example since people love to hate on this decision, Chris Brown's HB pass. He may have executed that flawlessly 100 times in practice and been repeatedly told not to throw it unless absolutely certain. Maybe he couldn't have been coached any better on a play Parcells, Shottenheimer, Belichick have all called in similar circumstances. Or maybe he was always spotty and it truly was a poor coaching decision. We will never know.

A more positive example would be the way the Texans came out for game #1 last season. They had the look. Don't know if the coaches did something special that week or the players or a combination. They sure as heck didn't have it for the rest of the season.

Okay, I see your point. I think the problem with the Texans is picking the wrong players to begin with, which is what I believe that you are saying here. We certainly cannot expect some of these players to be 'coached up' to do things that they are simply incapable of doing. They were wrong picks to begin with. Something about polishing a turd goes here.

My buddy is always asking me "players or schemes (coaches)", and I tend to think it comes back to coaches, simply because they are picking the players, as well as the schemes.

I didn't mean to read too much into your post. It just came across in a way (about all fans), so that's where I was coming from. Apologies for the confusion.

It's man, as i said i don't excuse myself from making the same mistakes at times. I do however try to phrase my posts in an opinionative manner if that makes any sense. Some on here however, do not & it irks me to no end.

This isn't something exclusive to players on the texans roster & coaching staff though, it happens to players all over the league & its usually b/c said player gets exposed.

It happens to players all over the league, for winning & losing teams, its just myopic of us as texans fans to think that only our players regress... Bottom line is, guys who can play will show up or hold relatively steady, guys who can't will eventually get exposed.

I don't know, maybe it is scouting then.. I mean look at all the draft pics that the Texan have done over the years and once they leave Houston, how many go somewhere else and res-erect their career.. they seem to drop out of the league

Babin,Faggins, Pitts are the only ones that I can think of (off the top of my head) that I have heard anything about and with Babin doing something with another team(finally after going to his 4th team) .

Babin,Faggins, Pitts are the only ones that I can think of (off the top of my head) that I have heard anything about and with Babin doing something with another team(finally after going to his 4th team) .

CC Brown was playing for the Lions last year.
Gaffney was the second leading receiver for the Broncos.
TJ is still part of the Chargers DL rotation.
Jaques Reeves is pretty active on Twitter.
Fred Bennett played for the Chargers & the Bengals in 2010
& I hear Tramon Williams is going to the Super Bowl.

Maybe i'm reading too much into his statement (not surprising) but this is what the guy wrote:

and for whatever reason.. when players come to the Texans, after their first year here, their play goes backwards ... yeah, that is coaching.

Pay attention to the bolded..that piece of the statement. Reading that part of it says To me that he honestly thinks that its our coaching staff thats causing texans players to regress as if it doesn't happen to other teams, winning or losing. All i did was try to point out that players regress for every team..I did not assume that all texans fans thought this; at least that wasn't the intent of my post & to be honest, its the very thing that i hate about some of the opinions on this board... Opinion isn't the truth or what is going to happen no matter how much truth is used to formulate/predict it. yet many including myself at times, try to pass theirs off that way.

The coaching isn't/wasn't worth a damn..we know that..that's a given. But at what point do we say "you know what bill walsh couldn't coach this guy up, he just can't play.." Do some of us really think that coaching is the reason Okoye is a below average DT? Why Pollard can't cover worth a damn? Why Wilson is terrible at FS? I just feel many are giving these crappy players a pass b/c they were brought here by a coach that hasn't been able to get it done.

I agree with most of this post.

The questions you ask about personel are valid. But these are the guys that Rick and Gary brought in and for that they should've been fired. BoB decided to go another route and bring in the white horsr in shining armor routine. (Phillips)

We'll see if BoB was right in this decision. So far history says this experiment will fail miserably and it will probably be atleast 3 yrs before the Texans make the payoffs if they're lucky.