People who snipe usually just stand there, its pretty obvious at this point where snipers like to go. Stay out of long sightlines and problem solved.

A pump action shotgun is supposed to be a one shot kill and have decent distance. The way lag is in this game you never have a chance to pop off a second shot. It rewards players with good accuracy. I dont understand what you want, you act like you should be able to run around with an AR or Lmg like its an smg and supposed to kill shotgun people. What do you want shotguns to completely suck?

I know your one of those people who tactically headglitch around the map and get all sour when someone whose better than you rushes and kills you with a shotgun. Its harder than you think, anyone can run up and get a few kills with a shotgun but have you ever been destroyed by some shotgun guy running around your spawn getting a 30 killstreak, highly doubt it. Stay out of confined spaces then or use an assault shield but either way its a shotgun and shouldnt be demoted to that pile of crap known as the stakeout. That thing had less range than.the spas, rarely a one hit kill and you died everytime to a famas. The R870 should destroy up close end of story.

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Problem solved? Hardly. I suppose you have a 360 field of view at all times too?

We probably just disagree on "how much" range it should have. Pump shotguns should have more range than semi auto shotties. Considering they get the benefit of spread, they can't get too much range though.

LOL. Hardly. I just don't like getting 2-3 shots on a guy to see him go bang your dead from too far away. A gun doesn't need to be the type that you can run through a spawn and get 30 kills for it to be in need of a nerf. I simply want a shotgun to act like a shotgun and not like a rifle. Shotguns should inherently be worse than SMG's, AR's in the game. Pistols should be worse than shotties. How on these maps can you stay out of confined spaces? If you play the objective(and I do) that's like asking someone to just not die capping. A Stakeout should die to a Famas the vast majority of the time. If you're outside of a rooms distance, you should lose 100% of the time. Shotguns are not meant for running around a open map and being equal to other weapons. Just like a Sniper shouldn't be able to run around quickscoping like a shotgun. Up close....yes. I'm thinking your idea of up close is 25 feet.

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1. The stakeout would lose to a famas from 3 ft away, the famas was godly in 80% of any situation. How the hell is that balance?

2. If your going to make a shotgun a primary and make it pump action there has to be a reason to use it. There are so many lines of sight to get picked off at range thats outside shotgun range it limits you so much. Id really like to see you use the r870 for a whole prestige and post your stats after if you think its so overpowered.

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1. Simply wrong. the Stakeout would kill you in 1 shot up close just like it should. UP CLOSE.

2. You have this imaginary world where you think you should do just as well running around using a shotty in a game with full auto LMG's, AR's and SMG's. Shotties are meant for certain areas of the map that are mainly tight spaces, not running around in the open. You should lose the vast majority of those gunfights.

Snipers in this game are overpowered. Especially that semi-auto sniper.. thing shoots straight with no recoil.

The 870 is overpowered.

EMP grenades last too long.

Hit detection is lol worthy.

Game keeps freezing in lobbies and create a class.

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People that complain things are overpowered usually arent good with them.

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No dude. The 870 and semi-auto snipers are fucking stupid. I have an 870 class specifically for when I feel like being a jerk. Or when we're on hijacked or slums. Because fuck slums. Right in the ear. Worst Goddamn map ever made. And the SVD whatever is lame as hell too. You can't tell me you haven't been spam sniped by some punk ass kid that thinks he's good with that POS. I enjoy this game, don't get me wrong, but there are some glaring issues. And they don't just glare, they straight up grab you by your face and stare.

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Slums is a map where one team (again Domination here) can easily hold down the 2 flags and completely control the action only to have the absolute opposite happen in the second half. I have had great games and terrible games all because of how teams can get and hold that center around B. Definitely not the worst map- that would be Carrier

I'm sorry but think I'm done with this game. It's heller frustrating and I can't bare it any more. Almost smashed my controller just now.

The most frustrating part, I keep getting killed from every direction or ganged up on and no team mates are ever around or team mates are there, but I'm the only one seen. Then my opponents can sit and camp peacefully in between two spots or sprint freely in the open and not getting killed.

I try to do a little camping, but to no avail, enemies are re-spawned in no time around or near me. I just don't get it. I started out a game doing so well, 14-1, then everything feels wrong, I finished the game 16-25 Out of the blue every where on the map I'm confronted by 2 or 3 enemies or I'm shooting people first, but no luck.

What I don't understand, I'm playing smart, doing the little fundamental things; like not rushing out into the open, checking camping spots and doorways and windows, throwing flash bangs ahead or in spots, check behind me and around, while using the cover of my team mates, but still I've been dying the most, while my team mates just sit in one spot or some of them sprint around blindly and not getting punished or ganged up on as I am.

I'm sorry but think I'm done with this game. It's heller frustrating and I can't bare it any more. Almost smashed my controller just now.

The most frustrating part, I keep getting killed from every direction or ganged up on and no team mates are ever around or team mates are there, but I'm the only one seen. Then my opponents can sit and camp peacefully in between two spots or sprint freely in the open and not getting killed.

I try to do a little camping, but to no avail, enemies are re-spawned in no time around or near me. I just don't get it. I started out a game doing so well, 14-1, then everything feels wrong, I finished the game 16-25 Out of the blue every where on the map I'm confronted by 2 or 3 enemies or I'm shooting people first, but no luck.

What I don't understand, I'm playing smart, doing the little fundamental things; like not rushing out into the open, checking camping spots and doorways and windows, throwing flash bangs ahead or in spots, check behind me and around, while using the cover of my team mates, but still I've been dying the most, while my team mates just sit in one spot or some of them sprint around blindly and not getting punished or ganged up on as I am.

*scratches head* I'm really frustrated and confused right now.

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It's like....everything right you try to do is wrong.

And everything wrong that normally get someone killed, doesn't happen to them.

I'm sorry but think I'm done with this game. It's heller frustrating and I can't bare it any more. Almost smashed my controller just now.

The most frustrating part, I keep getting killed from every direction or ganged up on and no team mates are ever around or team mates are there, but I'm the only one seen. Then my opponents can sit and camp peacefully in between two spots or sprint freely in the open and not getting killed.

I try to do a little camping, but to no avail, enemies are re-spawned in no time around or near me. I just don't get it. I started out a game doing so well, 14-1, then everything feels wrong, I finished the game 16-25 Out of the blue every where on the map I'm confronted by 2 or 3 enemies or I'm shooting people first, but no luck.

What I don't understand, I'm playing smart, doing the little fundamental things; like not rushing out into the open, checking camping spots and doorways and windows, throwing flash bangs ahead or in spots, check behind me and around, while using the cover of my team mates, but still I've been dying the most, while my team mates just sit in one spot or some of them sprint around blindly and not getting punished or ganged up on as I am.

*scratches head* I'm really frustrated and confused right now.

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I haven't had any of these problems. Last weekend was a slaughter session. Also, I played a ton this weekend and didn't see much lag

Lag, for me, shows up in patches then goes away. I get killed, miss kills and get kills due to lag. It all balances out as we are all playing the same messy game.

Quickscopers are my #1 nemesis right now- everything else is tolerable and just sort of a "part of the game" thing.

I have had enough epic moments in BO2 to make up for the other crap I encounter, like quickscopers.

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Agree with your lag take. Quickscopers don't bother me. Played against an entire team on nuketown over the weekend, obviously on purpose. I told my party (4 peeps), "lets piss them off, don't give them all the easy kills, stay in the spawn and wait". We literally sat there for over 2 minutes and they all come in rushing and got smoked. We did it till time ran out, they must of been so pissed. They had snipers in every line of sight (not many), so bleep them. If they want to play like "rats", I'll show them how to play like a "pro rat". They also tried multiple nades but we all run flak & tac mask so it really was a bummer summer for them

I'm sorry but think I'm done with this game. It's heller frustrating and I can't bare it any more. Almost smashed my controller just now.

The most frustrating part, I keep getting killed from every direction or ganged up on and no team mates are ever around or team mates are there, but I'm the only one seen. Then my opponents can sit and camp peacefully in between two spots or sprint freely in the open and not getting killed.

I try to do a little camping, but to no avail, enemies are re-spawned in no time around or near me. I just don't get it. I started out a game doing so well, 14-1, then everything feels wrong, I finished the game 16-25 Out of the blue every where on the map I'm confronted by 2 or 3 enemies or I'm shooting people first, but no luck.

What I don't understand, I'm playing smart, doing the little fundamental things; like not rushing out into the open, checking camping spots and doorways and windows, throwing flash bangs ahead or in spots, check behind me and around, while using the cover of my team mates, but still I've been dying the most, while my team mates just sit in one spot or some of them sprint around blindly and not getting punished or ganged up on as I am.

*scratches head* I'm really frustrated and confused right now.

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I haven't had any of these problems. Last weekend was a slaughter session. Also, I played a ton this weekend and didn't see much lag

I'm sorry but think I'm done with this game. It's heller frustrating and I can't bare it any more. Almost smashed my controller just now.

The most frustrating part, I keep getting killed from every direction or ganged up on and no team mates are ever around or team mates are there, but I'm the only one seen. Then my opponents can sit and camp peacefully in between two spots or sprint freely in the open and not getting killed.

I try to do a little camping, but to no avail, enemies are re-spawned in no time around or near me. I just don't get it. I started out a game doing so well, 14-1, then everything feels wrong, I finished the game 16-25 Out of the blue every where on the map I'm confronted by 2 or 3 enemies or I'm shooting people first, but no luck.

What I don't understand, I'm playing smart, doing the little fundamental things; like not rushing out into the open, checking camping spots and doorways and windows, throwing flash bangs ahead or in spots, check behind me and around, while using the cover of my team mates, but still I've been dying the most, while my team mates just sit in one spot or some of them sprint around blindly and not getting punished or ganged up on as I am.

*scratches head* I'm really frustrated and confused right now.

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It's like....everything right you try to do is wrong. And everything wrong that normally get someone killed, doesn't happen to them.

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That's spot on pal.

I'm going to try and do everything wrong. Run around with light weight and marathon and just look in front of me and just take the kills from behind. Hope it works.