I've been away from Debian and Linux since Etch. I'm back working with Jessie. Systemd feels like a really big change to me after the old familiar sysvinit I know so well. Fortunately I found I don't ~have~ to use it. It's possible to preseed the installer to use sysvinit instead; https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Install ... ut_systemd I'm happy the option is there.

I hope the Debian developers make this a more up front choice in the future. Seems there's enough people that prefer Sysvinit to keep it going and make it a more obvious option. A forced change to systemd feels proprietary.

Personally I didn't it, because when I choose to get rid of the systemd abomination, I was already at a fully-working Jessie installation.What I did, is following the instructions there: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation.This way, I was unable to uninstall systemd, but I installed Sysvinit and continue with it. Systemd is always an option at GRUB advanced settings, for the (highly unlike) possibility, to work with it.Of course, you can delete this (useless) GRUB entry!

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golinux wrote:Debian without systemd enabled is quite different than Devuan without systemd. There is a lot of confusion about what constitutes systemd-free which the sub-topic in this thread attempts to clarify.

Oh...I see!My personal experience, is that when I was installing a package (I use Synaptic. with console output enabled), systemd config files was installing also, (throwing out error messages in the process, because systemd wasn't enabled) and autostarting wasn't possible out of the box and I had to do it manually (if I was in need, for that).

golinux wrote:@Mad_7 . . . Are you aware that it is possible to upgrade from Debian to Devuan? Many users have come to Devuan that way.

Actually I'm waiting for the ASCII (stable) release , but I can always try!

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I spent some time reading on the Duvuan web page and I see that Jessie was the last distro making Systemd easy to remove. I was actually able to remove it pretty easily from my Jessie installation. Man I don't like the direction Debian is heading. When I can no longer use Jessie, I guess I'll be jumping ship to Duvuan. This is all old news, but it's news to me since I was out of touch with Linux and Debian for a while.