Post yfw Second American Civil War becomes a fanfiction crossover of the First American Civil War, Spanish Civil War, Russian Civil War, Weimar street battles, Eastern Front of WWII, The Troubles, Pacific Theater of WWII, and nonsensical meme ideologies turned into militant political movements like something out of Prayer of the Rollerboys.

The PAVN and VC got obliterated from a purely combat perspective. The US "lost" because it withdrew its combat troops in 72/73 per Vietnamization. If US forces were allowed to pursue into Cambodia, Laos, and North Vietnam without the bullshit "fear" from China, things would have gone far differently.

10 months ago

Fried_Sushi

Beat the British empire, too, kek.easy meat there though

10 months ago

Booteefool

lose warfail political objectives b-but if we didn't lose we could totally win

Literally wehraboo tier

10 months ago

Boy_vs_Girl

No, you didn't.

10 months ago

girlDog

yes, twice

10 months ago

5mileys

NazisSoviet achievement. Defeated 80% of German forcessovietsfell due to the flaws of a planned economy.Also just not true. The empire fell due to nationalism and the expenses of maintaining colonies.

Why are Americans so cringey?

10 months ago

Bidwell

When? You won in 1776, but never again.

10 months ago

TreeEater

Soviet achievement. Defeated 80% of German forcesWith the help of Lend Lease and the Allies occupying a second front. SU would have suffered far more losses and possibly been defeated without those two.

10 months ago

Carnalpleasure

actually, 3 times, as we'd have to include the 1940's occupation

10 months ago

Evilember

Sending guns isn't the same as being the leading victor. It was the Soviets who actually fought. Furthermore, whilst lend-lease no doubt sped up the victory, the Germans had lost the moment they failed in 41. And supplies never reached the USSR until 42.

Whilst lend-lease was indeed important, it doesn't make you the leading victor. The country which actually fought the most and gave the most blood is.

10 months ago

Firespawn

What?

3 times? there's literally just 1776. What is the second?

And the 40's 'occupation' was US Soldiers stationed in an allied nation before D-Day, you tard.

10 months ago

SniperWish

you and your rebel brothers will deus vult the anarcho commie spooks right to Hell for violating the nap

Nibba. It was more than just guns. But yeah I don't deny the Soviet manpower and their drive to fuck the Germans.

10 months ago

ZeroReborn

allied nationkek, vassal nation more like

10 months ago

TechHater

was more than just guns

Yeah, and?

It's not the same as being the leading victor.

10 months ago

GoogleCat

You still haven't told me what the 2nd time was. And the UK was not a vassal nation in the 40's. The US had to beg the Royal Navy to guard their coastline, and the Commonwealth took more POWs and defeated more than the US.

Furthermore, the UK had a larger navy than the US until 47.

10 months ago

StrangeWizard

gave the most bloodDoesn't matter if the Sovs were butchers, of their own men and others. You don't get credit for butchery.

10 months ago

Dreamworx

3 times, and after the 3rd it was forced into vassaldom

10 months ago

Stark_Naked

So what metric will you measure victory, if not in the fact 80% of the German death toll was to Soviets?

You haven't given a metric for victory at all, despite the actual contribution in the field being the most obvious. And you are retarded for believing in the human wave meme.

Americans are such fucking retards.

What are the 3 times? You still haven't said. What is the second? Why are you avoiding answering so much?

How was the third a defeat? It was an allied victory.

10 months ago

Methnerd

How was the third a defeat?The enemy submitted, was occupied and became a vassal state. That's what's known as a "defeat".

10 months ago

SniperWish

Submitted to what? Them joining their side?

Occupied? you mean an ally joining forces to defeat a common enemy?

And the UK became a US vassal because of economic collapse in 51. Not because of the war.

And you interestingly still haven't named the second!

Why are Americans so insecure? They attack their supposed allies because they feel the need to prove something. Pretty sad.

I'm not even denying the UK wouldn't have survived without US Support, but they were allies.

10 months ago

askme

Soviet achievement. Defeated 80% of German forcesGermanI said Nazis fell due to the flaws of a planned economy.A plan which didn't include America kicking their asses, but it's fine, since they ended up rescheduling to include it.

10 months ago

TalkBomber

At least we could beat Ethiopians and Afghans

10 months ago

CouchChiller

Because The isolation of the United States is at an end, not because we chose to go into the politics of the world, but because by the sheer genius of this people and the growth of our power we have become a determining factor in the history of mankind, and after you had become a determining factor you can not remain isolated, whether you want to or not. Isolation ended by the processes of history, not by the processes of our independent choice, and the processes of history merely fulfilled the prediction of the men who founded our Republic. Go back and read some of the immortal sentences of the men that assisted to frame this Government and see how they set up a standard to which they intended that the nations of the world should rally. They said to the people of the world, "Come to us; this is the home of liberty; this is the place where mankind can learn how to govern their own affairs and straighten out their own difficulties," and the world did come to us.

A plan which didn't include America kicking their asses, but it's fine, since they ended up rescheduling to include it.

When did that happen? lmao

The USSR collapsed due to internal problems.

I said Nazis Okay. And?

10 months ago

Emberfire

Internal problems including1)Not being able to keep up with the Americans and loosing an entire Cold War along with all almost all worldly influence2)An American boot so far up their ass it came out the other side3)Internal bleeding caused by having an American up their ass

Okay. And?That's right, I said it. Nazis. All of 'em. Every single Nazi and Nazi supporter somehow in any way reachable by Americans, had their asses kicked. The Soviets only got lucky facing the 3rd Reich, since it seemed they were waiting for a chance to kill off one metric fuckton (and a half) of their own boys. Unfortunately, and this makes me cry as an American, we were not able to cut through the other side of Germany in time to kill the Eastern Front Germans. I will admit that. That's fine though, the US still got to kick the asses of the ones facing THE RIGHT way.

Some Russian sources give more specific numbers: Between 1953 and 1991, the hardware donated by the Soviet Union included 2,000 tanks, 1,700 APCs, 7,000 artillery guns, over 5,000 anti-aircraft guns, 158 surface-to-air missile launchers, 120 helicopters. During the war, the Soviets sent North Vietnam annual arms shipments worth $450 million. From July 1965 to the end of 1974, fighting in Vietnam was observed by some 6,500 officers and generals, as well as more than 4,500 soldiers and sergeants of the Soviet Armed Forces. In addition, Soviet military schools and academies began training Vietnamese soldiers—in all more than 10,000 military personnel.

They literally had MiG fighters from the Soviets and pilots trained by the Soviets. You’re acting like a troglodyte just to try and spite Americans.

10 months ago

Soft_member

Outdated.Viets literally had better fighters and tanks than China at one point because USSR and PRC had a breakup.

10 months ago

happy_sad

muh death tollDoesn't take POWs into account and is also irrelevant to the simple fact that the reason Germany started getting pushed back hard in 1943 was due to having to fight on/prepare to fight on multiple fronts, combine that with the Soviets getting supplied by the west heavily in 1943 and you have the real reason why Germany was defeated. Without the above, the war ends in either stalemate or victory for Germany, albeit a limited one at this point.

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