Left/Right Liberal/Conservative TPTB Ruse - NOT

For all of you who think that the whole argument between left/right and liberal/conservative is a veneer and ruse of TPTB to divide and conquer us, I ask this question -

Why does the propaganda dept of TPTB, the MSM, ALWAYS bash the right/conservatives while providing a cover for the left/liberals and is ready to whitewash their problems? With that one question, I have skewered the argument that the differences between left and right are a non-issue, a mirage created by TPTB. If TPTB really wanted to set a ruse like this in concrete, the MSM would spend equal amounts of time bashing the liberal left as well as the conservative right (paleo well as neo). It would give the appearance that there is a "fair level playing field" in the market of ideas and further brainwash the masses. But this isn't the case. The MSM tries to brainwash the masses with stilted, hypocritical reporting that clears the leftist of any wrongdoing as soon as it happens while they fabricate stories to make the conservative seem perverse and wicked at every turn.

Are the two political parties made up by the same type of elites? Perhaps, and probably so. But if you think that means there is no difference between the liberal left and conservative right in terms of ideology in the current political parlance, you are very wrong. The difference between the collectivist and the libertarian are day and night, and one is right and one is wrong. Do you wish to deny that reality?

MSM, LMAO

Who cares what MSM says.........We have had the left and the right in power over the years and both are miserable at it.

Since 9/11 this country has lost it's marbles and both sides are equally responsible for it, they have dumb'd the people down, taken the money and the Constitution and wiped their ass with it.

Now you have an election going that should be a bagger for the R's and these pukes can't even find a credible candidate ( Excuse Paul)......this is no fault of MSM, hell they relish the stupidity, and all these problems we have , these ass clowns focus on whether Johnny gets his rubbers or Janie gets her pills.

It is much easier to control a divided herd than the whole herd. That's why you have Faux news and rush bimbo, insanity Hanity and the like......half watch this side the other half watch the other side....the truth lies behind each , and none is willing to give it up for fear of losing their job.

Both sides are Perverse and wicked, they just do it in opposite ways, yet the outcome is the same.

Very well, I take it you're

Or do you really believe there's no difference between the collectivists and the libertarians? That's the question I asked, not whether or not the R/D political parties were fundamentally different in governance.

...as to one side being right and the other wrong

I'd say the conservatives in power (not that there are really any true conservatives) have made multiple errors when it comes to personal liberties---most notably, the Patriot Act. Also, the 'free market' crowd has largely been responsible for the deregulation of derivatives and the weakening of the SEC and CFTC...so I'm not really sure who your libertarian friends are in TBTB...

cpnscarlet wrote:Very well,

Or do you really believe there's no difference between the collectivists and the libertarians? That's the question I asked, not whether or not the R/D political parties were fundamentally different in governance.

To answer your question, there is a difference as defined, yet all political hacks currently in office are collectivist save for maybe a handful and have been for many, many years.

I see this as the same for a Capitalist society, we all want true capitalism, yet it also comes with a cost of socialism in some form. In order for True capitalism to survive, socialism must be kept to a minimum ( much lower). This worked for a long time until True capitalism was rooted out and the banks and the war machine took total control over the government, which in turn has created a tsunami wave of socialism to overshoot what capitalism was left.

It would be the same with collectivist or libertarians in control.......Libitarinan ideas are what most want and what we need, but there will always be a form of collectivist.

Conservative ideas are fine as long as they are put to work, lets just not call them libertarians, cuz they have proven to be the collectivist in todays world.

Both are the same. If

Both are the same. If you are defining the MSM as TV news, then yes you have somewhat of a valid point. Network news and most cable news leans left, the exception being Fox. But media does not consist of only TV. Take radio for example; it is the exact opposite. There you have all right-wingers with the exception of NPR. What about print media? It's split right down the middle, every city has at least one lefty paper and one righty one. Expand your examination to culture and not just media. Churches and gun groups are promoting the right, celebrities pushing the left.

You then concede that maybe the parties may be the same, but the voters on each side are not. Actually, the distinction here is not between liberals and conservatives (or collectivists and libertarians as you put it), but between those who understand the political party sham and those who don't. The voters who don't get it, regardless of the party they support, merely regurgitate the talking points passed down from the party bosses in Washington. If you don't think this is true, just look at how many on the left participated in anti-War rallies when GWB was in office. How many have done that since Obama decided to expand Afghanistan, lob some missiles and Libya, send SF into Uganda and now provoke Iran? How many conservatives railed against big government in the 1990s and then stood silent as Bush doubled the debt?

You can spend a year learning all about the flawed monetary system and analysing charts and watching scandal after scandal go down and be completely ignored, but until you admit that theres no difference between the D and R after some guy's name, you're not fully awake. You can continue to root for the Red Team because it's comforting to think Santorum is at least an honorable guy (ha - where's the honor in wanting to starve men, women, and children in Iran through crippling sanctions and then bomb them), but you're only wasting your own time in the end. I'll admit it takes some confidence to go this route. We want to believe that there are just a few bad guys out there, and the good guys can prevail if we just convince 51% of the people. This is not the case. Conjure up some courage and decide to vote third party, write-in, or not all.

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