You can easily see in those pictures short legs are masculine and long legs are feminine, and this true for both sexes. This is probably comparable to facial width and finger digit ratio as a “nurture neutral” indication of masculinity.

Women with longer legs prefer alpha males too, but apparently have greater beta male tolerance. If you look at supermodels, and other women with extremely long legs, you’ll see most don’t automatically swoon for bad boys, although they have access to them. A lot of them have photographer, artist and otherwise effeminate boyfriends. However, you rarely see a short stripper type with anything less than a standard bad boy.

I guess I’m saying a heterosexual masculine woman will have a stronger preference for masculine men, or that she has masculine men in her ancestry. The question then becomes, do her masculine genetics increase her attraction to alpha males?

As you can see from the full-length photos, Cameron is 50% legs to body whereas Bibi is 40% or less.

This reader is touching on something real. While studies are sparse (nonexistent?), it does appear to be the case that, anecdotally and observationally, masculine women tend to go for very masculine men. (Recall that “masculine” does not necessarily mean “alpha“, as we can see by the fact that many effeminate artist types do quite well with cute women.)

So the rule generally expressed is as follows:
Given the axiom that most women prefer men more phenotypically and behaviorally masculine than themselves:

a. Masculine women will prefer very masculine men and avoid feminine men, and

b. Feminine women will prefer men of average to slightly higher than average masculinity and tolerate feminine men.

As a rule, this makes some sense. Sexual polarity is the cosmic force that breathes life into all other psychodynamic human motivations. When the sexual polarity is weak, or reversed (i.e., wimpy, soft men with hard-charging, hard-edged women), any nascent attraction is incapable of being sustained, and any relationship that results from such unions will have more obstacles to overcome and higher risk of infidelities than relationships that are sufficiently polarized by conventional male and female attributes.

Therefore, women will want to choose masculine men to retain that all-important polarity, but the degree of male masculinity required to reach a suitable level of polarity will vary based upon the woman’s own inherent masculinity.

This rule of what I will call “Shifted Female Masculinity Preference” — that is, the idea that the preference of women for masculine men is shifted to greater masculinity in men relative to the women’s own masculine attributes and psychological traits — has plenty of exceptions, and so I would not set my watch to it, nor should you, the efficient pursuer of women, rely on it exclusively to streamline your seduction operations. It’s a loose rule you can use to winnow a lot of prospects to a manageable number.

For instance, if you are a brooding emo WHO DOES NOT EVEN LIFT, you should focus your attention on long-legged women, but never dismiss short-legged women outright. Mesomorphs and “act first, think later” types should tune their radars for short-legged chicks with a twinkle of mischief in their eyes.

Another potential flaw in the rule (besides its lack of robust predictive power) rests in its premise: Are shorter legs and longer torsos really indicative of greater masculinity in women? Manjaws certainly are, but lots of short-legged women have very feminine faces. One way to resolve this issue is to determine if manjaws and short legs correlate in women.

If the rule is accurate and indicative of broad sexual market mating outcomes, we can expect to see greater masculinity in the children of short-legged women, and greater femininity in the children of long-legged women. And, inferring from Satoshi Kanazawa’s (unproven) theory that feminine couples produce more daughters, the former will bear more sons (and perhaps shorter sons) and the latter more (and perhaps taller) daughters.

One other thing we can infer is that less masculine men who date feminine women will compensate for their lower aggression and muscularity by being more psychologically dominant. And in fact one does find that the artist lovers of model chicks tend to be masters in the art of emotional manipulation. The more physically masculine men rely on their presence to assert dominance, but are often weak in the arena of subtle mental persuasion, and have a habit of ostentatiously mate guarding their women, leaving them susceptible to female machinations. This is why more masculine men get used as cat’s-paws by their girlfriends while more feminine — in both body and mind — men are tougher to manipulate. This imperviousness in some men to female manipulation is attractive to many women, and helps create an impression of dominance that fuels the necessary sexual polarity.

While i was in Spain, there was this little dyke-ish numbner who was super cute but super-aggro and acted generally like a tough boy. The smooth guys didn’t get anywhere with her but I play-wrestled with her best friend, a tiny colombian who i repeatedly picked up and swooped around, that evening she was all up in my junk even though my earlier attempts at game had met a luke-warm reception. So, yes, this is something i can attest to first hand, Masculine women are NOT attracted to femininity, they are attracted to Men who show EVEN MORE masculinity than their shrieking dyke-selves.

Unfortunately, most dykes are unbangable, this dyke-ish specimen however was a respectable 6.5. Would bang. ;D

this is 100% true, this is why i’ve always exclusively preferred white working class men to my own class, who literally all seem basically gay to me–high dominance women require even HIGHER dominance men and when they don’t get them they become disappointed shrews or lesbians who dominate a more feminine partner

Care to expand? What is *your* class? and why do men of your class seem “basically gay”. The reason I ask is because I think I might agree with your assertion (have being saying the same thing on here for a while). I just need to be sure we are talking about the same thing though! lolz

…but to be fair, I said he had *past* affiliations (more sons of anarchy-esque type gang, he looks like Jax teller actually *blush*) and wasn’t sure if he was still involved and wasn’t sure if he’s changed Christian boy image is an act….I now *know* that he is no longer involved and he is trying to be a better man. I also know he acquired his wealth through legal means….he was vetted this weekend.

and plenty of female lawyers are also super feminine and docile. Some display amazing feminine characteristics and stay soft spoken while being lawyers. U keep fantasizing about strippers and bimbos tho.

Cardinal CH principle 207: Exception does not a rule make. I am not attracted to white collar guys except the occasional finance executive type. Brutish physical strength and physique tops pure educational achievements for me. Of course there are many white collar men who are strong physically but from personal experience, that is not the norm.

Another reason why I love working class men: they tend to be less moody, LESS PRETENTIOUS, funnier, more confident, more spontaneous and more go with the flow type of people and I always feel happier around them. I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know? I am just naturally playful but years of indoctrination into my career has made me less stifled. These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.

What did he tell you, and could you trust what he said? Think careful now……
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“plenty of female lawyers are also super feminine and docile. Some display amazing feminine characteristics and stay soft spoken while being lawyers.”

When women are fresh lawyers, perhaps. But after years of fighting in court and presenting legal arguments trying to convince judges and juries to side with them, or after years of providing legal advice to clients and drawing up contracts, it’s hard to be “sweet” and girlish. It becomes second nature for female lawyers to sound confident and forceful, and it spills over into their private lives. Most women attorneys are not aware of the transformation in their personalities from the day they left law school to the way they became 10 or 20 years later. They become control freaks, and men don’t like controlling in women. They love women that can let go and allow intimacy to move in; it shows trust and submissiveness. That’s why many female lawyers end up practicing family law (because it’s anti-male) and/or become vociferous lesbians at the same time.

You have to be very self-aware to pull this off – stay feminine throughout your career. It’s hard work; you have to lead a double life; you have to play a game with yourself. Pretend your office life is your real life, and pretend you are concurrently living a secret double life when you’re not at the firm. Don’t allow lawyering seep into your time away from the office. Don’t even tell people what you do and refuse to speak about anything legal. Even if you have to act bimboish form time to time, do it in order to balance out the lawyering. Yeah, I know, it’s a bit too extreme, but it’s required. And besides, acting like an air head bimbo is a lot of fun too (yeah, I know, I’m shocking some people now). On weekends, read fashion mags or short trashy novels, dress sexy, wear attractive dramatic makeup, make sure you wear high heels, add fishnet to accentuate your sexiness, especially with a “good girl” outfit to add pizzas. Do these things lest you risk becoming a hardened bitch who thinks everyone around her needs to be led and controlled. Becoming a control freak is the curse of the female lawyer.

Anyhow, I’ve notice a transformation in you for the better. You seem softer, less aggressive, and appreciative of new opinions and ideas. Maybe you’re working on not becoming an obnoxious female lawyer of the type they dread here, and that’s great. Keep it up. Despite this guy’s past, I think he’s bringing out the feminine female in you. If he won’t end up hurting you in the long run, I’m in favor of him. Maybe he’s exactly the medicine you need.

“Another reason why I love working class men: they tend to be less moody, LESS PRETENTIOUS, funnier, more confident, more spontaneous and more go with the flow type of people and I always feel happier around them. I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know?”

Yeah, you want to feel like a woman; that’s why you’re reaching for the opposite extreme in order to feel the power of sexual polarity. A guy in a suit doesn’t exude this power at first sight. You can’t feel his rawness as he has learned to control his masculinity. Like you, he has been indoctrinated by the culture.

“These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.”

Yep! Your inner child. You don’t want to lose that. You always want to feel girlish, youthful, full of innocence – a desirable female. That’s why you gravitate towards these types of men. They make you forget about being a modern female with a high-powered career, and bring you back to a state of raw femininity, maybe to the time you just became a woman; before you were indoctrinated.

I KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL, but you need to control this. Don’t let it get out of hand. Feeling raw masculinity so your femininity could flourish might hurt you. I know it’s the danger you crave, but these men could be risky. That’s why you need it in moderation; don’t overdo it. Is this man refined enough to exercise self-restraint when necessary or is he totally out of control? Find out!

“I also just wanna come home after work and leave all intellectual conversations and arguments aside and just have fun, ya know? I am just naturally playful but years of indoctrination into my career has made me less stifled. These kinds of men being out my younger inner playful happy self.”

I know what you mean here, but I still need the smart. Smart men who can take a break from being outrageously intelligent and still know how to have fun are my ideal.

I agree with your point Kate. I am talking *book* smart and even then, like I mean, classically educationally trained type of book smart. I won’t date zoolander or ryan lochte type of dumb or the equivalent of a male bimbo either but I like them smart as well.

Don’t blame this on intellect. The smartest people I know are blue-collar. Adam Carolla is an apex example, particularly in contrast with “elite” Drew Pinsky (they have a new podcast together, finally filling the vacuum left by the irreplaceable early Loveline).

The autistic nerds have invaded the elite ranks through the “meritocratic” standard (present since the early 1960s, replacing nepotism, class-protection, and legacy hiring) and transformed the aristocracy into a pussy SWPL drone culture. They are not smart. They put on the hipster affectations of smartness as an emblem of their insider-culture. But they are all — all — retarded in every way except in the narrow, useless specialty (pre-war Vietnamese lesbian poetry) which gave them access to that class in the first place.

That condescending, fagboy NPR lisp is the mark of the modern chump, who thinks he has “outsmarted” the need for manliness. Because their just-as-dorky professors told them so. They do not deserve attention, just dismissal. I have been in plenty of circumstances where they expose their pretensions to intelligence as a façade.

Apex example of that culture? Barack Hussein Obama. I saw him coming since 2004. He is what we deserve, the best our “elites” can produce anymore.

Carolla is great. But Pinsky is a working medical doctor in the field of addiction. Exacly what about that screams “autistic” or “not smart”? The guy’s for real. There are thousands of other working M.D.s like him.

Re: Obama … you’re grasping at straws. He is an outlier in almost every way. Wall Street elites were wary of him in 2008 and verging on hostile towards him in 2012 — a fact that you would know if you’d allow finance to pollute your pure liberal arts consciousness.

It’s true that he was adopted by many other elites, such the Chicago establishment, but at least until 2008, he still felt apart from them. Read the inside accounts of his campaigns. Nobody could figure him out, not even his aides.

That all may have changed, of course. Being president has a way of doing that.

OMG! I heard Adam Carolla recently. Who would have thought! He has more common sense in his little pinky than most highly educated liberals have in their entire useless heads.

Yep! That is what highly educated means these days, stupid spineless dweebs. Look at PhD holders. They might be very well-versed in their field of study, but they know nothing else, and despite that, they believe they can lecture us about things they know nothing of, just because they have a liberal mindset and think it’s the only way for a civilized person to be. Fools!

That’s not what CH is saying though. He is saying that women who look more feminine and have more feminine bodies by way of longer legs, prefer men who aren’t that alpha, and might even end up with betas.

I’m not sure he’s right. It seems he and his reader are basing this mostly on models and strippers they observed. It’s hard to base a study that reflects all womanhood only on those types of women since they’re not indicative of the average female.

Those types of women are surrounded by a lifestyle that influences their behavior greatly. They usually end up dating men within their circles, as these men have greater access to them and time to form a relationship within their busy schedules. Some date their body trainers, some date their agents, some date their photographers, some date very famous or rich men they meet in parties and in places the rich and famous hang out like Cannes, etc….. And, who said photographers are effeminate?

In addition, many famous or somewhat successful models choose men based on their financial success or fame (celebs, actors, etc…), and those men might not be either alphas or betas in real life. They might be bisexual.

Therefore, it’s hard to tell if this theory is right, unless we analyze the mating habits of regular females that have not been exposed to fame and we come up with similar results. But what about strippers, you might say? Strippers too, will often date men hovering around them – those men usually tend to be bad boys. If those same women will float around a different environment, maybe they wouldn’t end up with bad boys. And, who said most strippers/porn stars have short legs? Some are short, some are tall, but many have beautiful shapely long legs. Didn’t we say that height doesn’t have much to do with a woman’s leg length in proportions to her height? An average height woman (5’4”) could have longer legs than a taller woman, if her lower part is longer in proportions to her height.

I just think all of these assumptions need to be taken with a large grain of salt.

Oh, oh, Tyrone. If I answer you, someone is going to say I’m showing off or trying to get attention, lol.

Well, you be the judge. I’m 5-4, slender. Long legs, shapely. I work out. Boobs B cup. I have long straight hair – dark blonde. Face very feminine, no manjaws.

It’s funny. My sister and I are the same height. We are both trim, but we’re built differently. I’ve longer legs than she has, so when we both wear shorter skirts with high heels (or stand next to each other on the beach in swimsuits) people think I’m much taller and more slender than her. So I know the effects of long legs. They form an optical illusion. But she has wider hips though, which is also a very feminine thing to have besides long legs. Maybe it’s why she is a C cup and I am B. Oh well, a girl can’t have it all. She has to be happy with what she has and work on making that the best it can be.

Salt, yes, but we have to realize we, for the most part, aren’t cognizant of the underpinnings of our own desires, so its worth discussing. Why do some men prefer brunettes to blondes? Its not fiat or whim, its genetic. Its why I shouldn’t even bother with someone with brown eyes. No matter how great I am, a brown-eyes man *biologically* will not be as attracted to a blue-eyed woman. Why? Because he won’t know for sure her children are his- it could be some other brown-eyed guy’s child. On the other hand, blue-eyed men are more naturally drawn to blue-eyed women. They will be able to determine their own children. Now whether or not a relationship involves creating children or not, our internal workings don’t care. We are just following years of outmoded procedure; our bodies tow the line not matter what is going on in our heads. Reading this a while back was literally one of the most eye-opening things I’d ever seen. Its not personal; its biology.

People date folks with different eye color *all the time*. For that matter, people date *interracially* all the time (i.e. people who look nothing like them). Personally, I’m not at all attracted to women of my own racial group.

Brown eyed men may or may not have a preference for brown eyed women (I wouldn’t know), but there are tons and tons of men of all eye colors (and skin colors, for that matter) who are into blue eyed women. The idea that yu shouldn’t bother with someone with brown eyes, is facetious at best.

Attracted to is different than recognizing kin. How can we recognize relatives we haven’t seen in years? Why do dogs play better with their own breeds?

As far as I know, divorce is an American epidemic. When two people come together, they are often merging the cultures of four different groups, whereas homogenous couples bring less inherited cultural baggage. Equalists believe these things don’t matter. I believe they do.

The most attractive woman on earth is Adriana Lima, who has black hair and blue eyes. This is an opinion shared by every single man on earth who has seen her. (I guess there are men in Africa or Haiti who might never have had the pleasure of seeing a photo of her.) There are no exceptions to this rule. So obviously this includes millions of brown-eyed men who agree that Adriana Lima, with her blue eyes, is the prettiest creature on earth.

She’s cute but an obvious mischling… there are far more purebred blondes with blue or green eyes who shadow her.

I think Kate is making a fair point, if someone badly… like makes like, mixture destroys one half of the equation, sometimes both sides.

But obviously men the world over are severely attracted to the gold standard of beauty that is, for lack of a better term, stereotypical Aryan… the blue-eyed blonde “aesthetic prop” found in nearly every media including the comics, to innumerable movies, etc., etc., etc. and DUH!

Kate, you realize that blue eyes is a recessive gene, right? That means that a brown-eyed man will always have brown-eyed kids if he has two copies of brown (one from mother and one from father), no matter his wife’s eye color. So I don’t think your argument works with brown-eyed men, but it might with blue-eyed men.

For a blue-eyed man to have blue eyes, he must have TWO recessive alleles (blue eyes from both mother and father), otherwise his eyes would be brown. Now, if a blue-eyed man marries a woman with brown eyes, his kids will have brown eyes, unless the woman has one copy of the recessive allele, even though it’s not expressed in her outwardly appearance. If that’s the case, then their kids have 50% chance of having blue eyes. However, if his wife also has blue eyes then their kids can only have blue eyes. So maybe that’s what you mean regarding a blue-eyed man determining his children paternity by looking at their eyes. Simply said, if both parents have blue eyes, their children can only have blue eyes.

Anyway, that’s how genetics used to be understood. Now it seems that we have discovered that it’s a lot more complicated than simply dominant vs. recessive genes. But that’s another discussion.

I don’t know about feminine *looking* women specifically. I will say that I came across a study recently (I study plants for a living but behavioural ecology is a side interst of mine) that suggested that women with more feminine *personality traits* are attracted to more feminine-looking, “good provider” type men, as opposed to the ultra-masculine bad boy types. Specifically, women who want to have lots of babies, be taken care of, have semi-traditional gender roles, etc. tend to look for men with slightly more ‘feminine’ features. Women who don’t want many children and are into casual sex, flings, etc. (i.e. the more ‘masculine’ personality traits) tend to look for more ‘masculine’ features. Having *slightly* effeminate/boyish facial features (and maybe personality traits as well) is used as an indicator of being a good provider.

“I came across a study recently that suggested that women with more feminine *personality traits* are attracted to more feminine-looking, “good provider” type men, as opposed to the ultra-masculine bad boy types. Specifically, women who want to have lots of babies, be taken care of, have semi-traditional gender roles, etc. tend to look for men with slightly more ‘feminine’ features. Women who don’t want many children and are into casual sex, flings, etc. (i.e. the more ‘masculine’ personality traits) tend to look for more ‘masculine’ features.”

Well, if PetiteOlive is any indication, then you’re certainly right and this study is right on target.

Looks notwithstanding, she has masculine personality traits (by her own admission) and she indeed insists on ultra-masculine men, as this study suggests. Review what she says:

“I am not attracted to white collar guys except the occasional finance executive type. Brutish physical strength and physique tops pure educational achievements for me. Of course there are many white collar men who are strong physically but from personal experience, that is not the norm.”

I think this makes perfect sense in the real world, which is why this study is probably accurate. I commented above that PetiteOlive needs to feel ultra-masculinity to bring out her femininity, since it’s buried inside a more masculine personality.

For the record, I wasn’t commenting on this point. I was responding to CH assertions that girls with highly feminine features and long legs like men who are more effeminate. I don’t think it’s true, but if we could find a study proving this, bring it forth.

Another thing to consider – successful men (specialty Drs, wall street financial types, wealthy computer geeks, real estate moguls, etc…) appear more effeminate than the blue collar worker, but they go after the prettiest girls because they can commend such rewards for their wealth and success. So the girl is attracted to the wealth more than the physical attributes of the man she married.

Also, who knows? Appearances could be deceiving. Some men might appear more civilized and refined per their careers, but at home they could be very dominating in all aspects. So I think men need to work on their dominating skills more than worry about the fact they are professional men and therefore will not attract highly-sexual females. Like the advice I gave Olive, men too need to lead a double life of sorts – act more civilized at work, while acting more brutish with women in private to offset the indoctrination of the culture. Everything in moderation, of course. Never overdo it, unless you know for sure the woman wants more and more of the ruthless you. Be careful not to get in trouble in this day and age.

I’m not sure how accurate it is to say white collar men are weaker physically than blue-collar workers. Especially nowadays that mechanization has reduced the importance of strength for a lot of factory jobs, the guy who works in a factory and doesn’t have time to work out might be less muscular than the lawyer who works out every day.

…..but masculinity is a positive trait in men and a negative one in women, so it , as would seem that the women seeking out these men would not have much luck – as they would also be very attractive to less masculine women.

I see what you mean. Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are? Maybe there is a spectrum of negativity associated with some masculine traits that are exhibited by women e.g. abrasiveness/aggressiveness vs. funny/ambitious….the latter, while still masculine, can perhaps be more easily forgiven and/or tolerated and/or admired (to some extent) among men in general. I will be interested in hearing other thoughts on this!

“Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are”

generally calling a woman masculine is a shortcut for “not physically attractive”, so your point is a nonstarter. If you think thats not true call a woman masculine and see her reaction.

masculine men won’t tolerate masculinity in their women because they don’t have to. it is the less masculine men that these women don’t want who are more likely to tolerate their masculinity.

[CH: An exception would be the attractive feminine looking woman with a masculine psychology. They do exist. That Rebecca chick with the hilarious Twitter feed about lazy sorority sisters is an example of just such a woman. How bod, cute face, male temperament.]

“Masculine psychology” isn’t attractive at all. Men tell themselves that because they are confusing the traits they find attractive in (share in common with) friends for the complementary traits they seek in mates. No dude wants to marry his best friend. (No matter what all the self-composed nuptial vows say.)

That Rebecca chick is cute despite her manliness. She is also attractive because she doesn’t just signal availability, she broadcasts it with a klaxon — pretty package, less work wooing. Just imagine those tweets coming from a tatted-up hog with a crew cut.

masculine men won’t tolerate masculinity in their women because they don’t have to. it is the less masculine men that these women don’t want who are more likely to tolerate their masculinity.
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Not challenging your position, but I would marry any one of these women despite what you consider their “masculine traits”. All people are a combination of Yin and Yang. Women more yin than yang; men more Yang than Yin. Female athletes have their yang on the outside and yin on the inside. Its a drilling operation. You gotta hit it with the shaft and break on thru to the juicy center.

What you said is true of all men. Physically attractive women need to have less going for them in the femininity department than less attractive women, because of course men value looks very much.
But you are correct that there are masculine traits in women that are deal breaker while other are not.

“I see what you mean. Perhaps, the more masculine men can tolerate a little bit more masculinity in their women depending on how physically attractive said women are?”

The hotter she is, the more leverage she’s got over men. This is nothing new at all, men judge women mainly on looks. Who knows what the percentage is, I’d say attraction is about 80% body / 20% everything else.

the latter, while still masculine, can perhaps be more easily forgiven and/or tolerated and/or admired (to some extent) among men in general.

The toleration is proportional to her physical attractiveness. We overlook ugly personality traits with the promise of getting her to the place where their unattractiveness is muted and where our will is sovereign: bed.

All things equal, men do not want a single molecule of masculinity in women. Zero-point-zero percent. A girl’s manliness — fighting, being domineering, playing tough, cracking jokes, being employed — can only be attractive insofar as it indirectly highlights her irreducible femininity, e.g., wearing a man’s shirt, but the tits beneath cannot be repressed. That’s why when women get mad men find it cute rather than intimidating. Ladies are playing at being a man, but the high pitched grrr reminds us of the essence that cannot be concealed. That’s also why women aren’t funny. Attention seeking through personality/action is pure manliness. Attention seeking through passive appearance is feminine.

A man farting on his friend’s head is funny. A woman farting on her BFF? Fucking gross.

Call it the Jenny McCarthy index. She was scorching hot in her heyday — Playmate of the Year — and parlayed her beauty into a hostess gig on MTV, where she made it a point to out-raunch everyone. Belch, joke, pick her nose, etc. It subtracted from her attractiveness quotient but she had a superabundance to spare, and her fearlessness made her stand-out from her peers. So the very ugliness that diminished her natural beauty counterbalanced itself by the unique attention she got from it. When she calmed down and shut up, all that remained was her good looks, which is the distinguishing female asset.

If you ever watch Millionaire Matchmaker, this comes up quite frequently. I know that woman’s a hot mess, but she makes some good points. Her take on it is that masculine energy attracts feminine energy, and most of the masculine female clients she gets have a really hard time attracting those masculine men that they’re interested in.

Yeah, I’ve watched that show, and that host is great at quickly profiling women. She said she has trouble placing women over 45 with men, and if they’re 15 pounds overweight it’s simply impossible. She told that one go-getter CEO-wannabe divorcee that she had to tone down the masculinity, but it didn’t seem to work.

I don’t know what kind of data point I am regarding this. I have certain strongly masculine elements to my personality, but I can’t remember the last time I rejected a guy for lack of masculinity. I pretty much feel that nearly every straight guy is a lot more masculine than I. My boyfriend is kinda an effeminate arty type. But then he is a sicilian dude with half his family in the mob so he kind of has that macho element to his personality.

kk. I have been considering the results of the study that noted that longer legs were preferred in women while shorter legs were preferred in men. If this preference is present for all races, it would suggest that ethnicities with higher leg to torso ratio come from a result of generations of reproduction that favors male preferences. If a group has higher torso to leg ratio, that would potentially suggest a favoring of female mating preferences over generations.

But then I would consider the Japanese as a case study. Of all races, Japanese people seem to have the highest torso to leg ratio, but nothing in their present culture would suggest that they come from ancestry favoring female mating preferences. As we can see with anime, japenese men inherently prefer longer legs, but they were somehow not able to actualize this preference over all their past generations. Also, though japenese women are short legged relative to their height, who would call their psychological profiles masculine?

The original study (with manipulated leg lengths) indicates that longer legs are preferred by men, but the study does not itself indicate that the possession of longer legs in a woman confers greater internal femininity unless “feminine” is defined as whatever men prefer. The issue is that a paradox is created by this sort of dimorphic mating preference (not all sexual preferences are dimorphic. For example, thinning hair is not preferred by anyone). A group of people with long legs to torso can potentially result from generations of male preference winning over female preference in reproduction. In that case, the men and their desires would be dominant over time. However, in that case also, the men end up with a ‘feminine’ attribute over time themselves, long legs. Hence, the possession of long legs in a woman may not be an indication that she herself is feminine or attracted to less masculine men. It may imply that she has inherited a greater preference for dominant men from her foremothers or it may indicate that she has herself inherited the more dominant profiles of her forefathers. Or it can, as heartiste implies, indicate that a woman’s foremothers somehow preferred or were not bothered by men with longer legs despite general preferences to the contrary.

The Japanese also gave the world tentacle porn. On the bell chart of human sexual behavior, they are most definitely an outlier. So much so that basically nothing from their culture can be included in rational conversation.

(-_-;) and (-.-) tentacle porn is hardly Japan’s only out-there erotic category ,(1) the Japanese create this stuff; (2) we buy it — the U.S. is a big market for comic-book-style (manga) and animated (anime) Japanese erotica, collectively known here as hentai. (Back in Japan this term is reserved for content considered genuinely abnormal.) So there are people all over who get off on things like this, the reason for the reliance on tentacles was simple. till 1993 Japanese law prohibited straightforward depictions of penises. so Japan was obliged to come up with a substitute: tentacles, tentacle porn is hardly an outlier in the world of Japanese erotica, the difference is that Western porn, including the comic book and animated variety, tends to be largely realistic, apart from the gravity-defying boobs, the Japanese, in contrast, are big on fantasy and surrealism : P

Dude, I grew up on anime, I took Asian Studies in college, I spent two years in Tokyo. I fucking know. I also know that their entire porn industry is sort of weird and that there’s far weirder shit out there if you look.

Doesn’t change my basic point that sexual appetites in Japan are strange enough that their preferences as far as body composition go really can’t be considered if you’re talking about normative male tastes.

Just wondering. Don’t you think that your BF who is 30 years older than you and who doesn’t turn you on when he touches you, is not a good example of this? Maybe you have some secondary incentives to be with him???? Maybe it’s why you are desperately searching for something within his character to make him appear in your mind more masculine than he really is – “sicilian dude with half his family in the mob so he kind of has that macho element to his personality. “

The other variable however is that masculine women are hornier. Almost all of my F buddy relationships have been with either tall women, or the shorter-legged variety, which both indicate higher masculinity or testosterone.

So while a more artsy guy may not be her cup of tea, the DTF nature of these more masculine chicks more than makes up for any preference towards more masculine men. The other good thing about these more masculine women is that they really enjoy being power slammed. They are really turned on by the power dynamics and want to be used.

I’m betting what we know now as western civilization will collapse before Whites go extinct. I think when North America and Europe reach the situation that South Africa is currently in, you will start to see a significant change in Whites returning to Traditional ways. Until then, enjoy the decline, man.

Apperntly not, leftists will fail to propogate, leaving the white race largely in the hands of traditional conservatives. Someone put a link up in the comments section the other day about it, but I can’t seem to find it atm.

If you have a harem of fuck-buddies around town who aren’t giving you any babies, then you’re an effective polygamist who is depriving the White Race of its future – who, by the very nihilism of his purposeless fucking, is depriving the White Race of its very RIGHT TO EXIST.

So man up, grow some balls between your legs, and start putting some buns in those ovens.

“B-b-b-but that means I won’t be able to play World of Warcraft anymore!!! I-I-I-I’l have to start driving all those babies to swim practice and to piano lessons and to ballet rehearsals and I-I-I-I’ll even have to try to remember how to solve those quadratic formula problems in their math homework!!!”

You’re MORALLY liable to each and every one of your fuck buddies when you deprive them of their very best child-producing years by purposelessly fornicating with them without any babies resulting from it.

You’re MORALLY liable to your ancestors who [by contrast] purposefully copulated so as to produce the line which resulted in you.

And you’re MORALLY liable to the White Race to make sure that it doesn’t go extinct.

Every purposeless act of fornication which you engage in is one more lost opportunity to extend your fuck-buddy’s line, to extend your own line, to extend your ancestor’s line, and to ensure the survival of the White Race.

Maybe you can enlighten me on why I owe the white race anything? Many of “my people” don’t even like themselves very much, forget about other white people. And those in the white supremacist camp would probably love nothing more to string me up alongside the rest.

The white race is in the process of going extinct – right before your very eyes – and all you little alpha-poseur cunts can get it up for is the idea of sodomizing a “7, 8, or 9” in her anus?!?

Here’s an idea: Use “Game” as a technique for achieving something purposeful in life, like bagging the girl of your dreams and then spending the next decade or two making 4 or 6 or 8 babies with her.

Then teach your sons about “Game” so that they can return the favor [with 4 or 6 or 8 grandchildren each], and teach your daughters about “Game” so that they can distinguish the alpha-poseur cunts [whom they need to avoid at all costs] from the real men [whom they need to be considering as possible husbands].

Anyone can just as easy make “4 or 6 or 8 babies with her” after a decade of sodomizing a bunch of feminist indoctrinated 7,8, and 9’s.
And guess what… those assfucked feminist won’t breed. They’ll spend their fertile years being whored out and turn into cat ladies with ZERO offspring. Addition by subtraction helps too, ya know.

You have the emotion of a girl and the reasoning skills of one too. Not a good combo, dude.

Right. In that case her essential, inescapable femininity is brought to the surface to contrast with her masculinity, which is only manly in context. Her masculine pose/natural traits are thrown into relief against her feminine essence and are exposed for the anomalies they are.

That’s Rappaccini’s Daughter tranny-game. She mentions her masculine features/personality and thereby indirectly highlights what is feminine about herself. This is attractive because it invites men to “power slam” her back into alignment, or prove that no matter how many external tells, she is still a woman in her bones. She may watch football and measure her digit ratios and scratch her ass but in bed we will remind her that the superficial transsexuality can only go so far.

There is nothing attractive about those traits per se, except as a challenge for men to prove their genuine masculinity against her disingenuous cross-dressing.

This does not work the other way around. A transsexual/fey man undermines his masculinity whereas cross-dressing/manly women highlight their femininity by contrast — because manliness proved in action and movement while femininity is defined through appearance. And transsexuality is an appearance switch designed to conceal essence.

Not that anecdotal evidence outweighs the larger picture, but my personal experience runs contrary to this. I’m a quite beta-looking beta (at least in most ways): wide eyes, youthful/boyish looks, ectomorphic frame, introverted (INTP) temperament, among other things. I’ve been told repeatedly, unbidden, by males and females that I’m good looking but come off as gay. And, the few women I’ve been able to attract have been quite masculine.

Of course on the other hand, I do have a masculine brow ridge, jaw line, a near psychopathic disregard for the opinions of others (at least outwardly), and height. But I don’t think that outweighs the former traits; nobody that’s acquainted with me would ever refer to me as an exemplar of masculinity. Sperginess though? Definitely.

These days I’m pretty emaciated, and a bit pudgy. Skinny-fat, as it were.

I used to be in pretty good shape, especially when I was still an rotc cadet. I had a a sharp pudge free jawline and nicely built lower body, but my upper body just refuses to put on a significant amount of mass (I did all the compound lifts you’re ‘supposed’ to do). I do have pretty broad shoulders though, actually, but a slender chest/torso. So I guess I’m a meso-ecto.

I remained a virgin throughout this entire period. When I declined to commit to the Army I largely lost my motivation–and by happenstance I lost my virginity shortly thereafter. Of course I don’t think that women actually prefer my now-skinny fat physique over the toned one I had before, but it’s still hard to bring myself to go through the effort when I’m really not one to enjoy physical exercise in and of itself and it apparently wasn’t that necessary.

“These days I’m pretty emaciated, and a bit pudgy. Skinny-fat, as it were.”

Dude.

Combine the relaxed, insouciant, easy-going, carefree attitude that you get [or at least that you learn to fake] from studying game, with a ripped, toned, masculine body, and you’re set.

But “skinny-fat” is gonna be a tough sell.

And “skinny-fat” + “spergie”?

Whew.

There might be few millionaire/billionaire psychopaths who can pull it off, but if I were you, then I’d be lifting three times a week and doing calisthenics and getting at least a little light cardio every day.

I’d say your experience probably confirms this idea, even if CH didn’t take it to the end conclusion. Just because masculine women want a masculine guy doesn’t mean they’ll end up with one; just the opposite, actually.

Relationship power dynamics dictate that opposites attract. Two matching masculine polarities are going to result in discord, fighting, or divorce. Those masculine women who instinctively want to dominate are not going to be able to make it work with a guy who wants to dominate them. Being male doesn’t automatically guarantee a place at the top of the relationship. There’s not necessarily anything wrong with that, but if you don’t ever want your girlfriend asking you about pegging, it’s probably something worth changing.

My two cents? Two things seems to work well for guys I know like you; aging out of those little-boy features, and turning assholish tendencies into humorous personality assets.

I started to trail off at the end there but at least for me, I think the proportions of a girl’s legs might be as important if not more important than their length in relation to her overall height. Shapely thigh and skinny ankles on legs that aren’t proportionally long are more feminine to me than long twig legs that end in natural cankles like on a female college basketball player.

Right? I’m loose enough to wear not a whole lot in internet anonymity, but even I wouldn’t think of entering a party where a guy told me to take my panties off before entering. Where was this party? San Fernando valley with porn stars as invited guests?

Men fantasize about women with no discrimination or sexual standards. Women that drop their panties at any request. In reality, women aren’t like this. Even my stripper friends wouldn’t enter a party like that (they only do that stuff coz they get paid to do it).

I’d totally remove my panties for my boyfriend. But not for a first date. And most certainly not for a party host who was asking everyone to do it. You gotta make me feel special when you tell me to remove my panties in public places. I’m not prudish. I’m being normal here.

feministx, I agree with you completely here. Your hamster isn’t running in this instance. Agreeing to remove panties for a party is loose, and it also means that you know there is potential to have sex or to be forced to have sex and you’re OK with it. It’s like going to a man’s apartment on the first date. Why would you be there if not to have sex? At least, that’s what most reasonable men would think, and they are right. Same thing with willfully removing panties for a party. Why else would you do it if you weren’t at least entertaining the idea of having sex during the party?

That said, I think evilalpha is telling the truth. Some men are so bold, they run these types of parties. This is nothing compared to what’s out there – believe me. And, I also believe him about the girls loving it. Of course they loved it; it’s so tantalizing for girls to play these type of dangerous games. They love the scenarios and the possibilities that could develop.

Think about it: When a woman removes her panties, she feels more vulnerable and exposed. It’s almost like losing some of her control and her protection. Remember, rape? Women love the idea of not giving consent and being forced against their will. Removing panties when told to, is one step closer to that eventuality.

I once had a girl tell me her boyfriend bench pressed 900 lbs. (which would have been a world record at the time). She honestly believed it.

Remember that line in Training Day.. “Its not what you know, its what you can prove”… well when it comes to your status with women, “Its not whats true, its what she’ll believe.”. Just ask FemX, her boyfriend is a capo for a mob in Sicily.

Great post. I wonder if masculinity and feminity in a couple are like two opposite polarities, and when they combine they annihilate each other to reach zero. In this scenario, the most masculine men would prefer the most feminine women. The other possibility, laid down by this article, is that they aren’t really polarities, but more of an Overton window sort of thing. Highly masculine partners will be with each other, since that minimizes the size of the window, and similarly for highly feminine partners.
I don’t know whether highly masculine men prefer highly masculine women, or if all men prefer feminine women. The difficulty is compounded by the fact that most men prefer to think of themselves as highly masculine.
I personally get repulsed by masculine women, even the attractive ones. I don’t know whether that is because I am feminine and hence threatened, or because I am masculine and prefer feminity in my partners.

Remember with models, height and shapeless bodies are masculine. And their features are generally angular; they don’t have pretty girly faces. In fact the only notably feminine trait is their long legs.

“One way to resolve this issue is to determine if manjaws and short legs correlate in women.”

Interesting that the quote in CH’s original post referenced cameron russell as an example of a long legged woman. I would call her face extremely masculine as she has both prominant heavy brows and a man jaw. You can see this in many pics of her. In candid shots, she often is captured as though she is not even pretty (she can be very pretty, but not from all angles)

Bibi Jones / Britney Maclin would fuck anything with a pulse. Check out the video of her on Howard Stern (I still would’ve loved to have run into her when my British ass lived in AZ for the 1st half of last year!)

I think I did alright in trying to steer the convo in a subtle sexual direction. The girl is 20 so I want to get the bang fast and then eject if necessary. It helps that she asked me out, indicates high interest (i had asked her out first but had to cancel when my mom killed herself a few nights ago). I often fuck up text game so I’m always open to suggestions.

Thanks man, we weren’t real close (she essentially abandoned are family) but I can’t help but feel responsible because I ignored her for most of my adult life. Trying not to think about it too much, but it is hard.

You were supposed to take the lead right there. Don’t let her chose where you are going to meet. She can SUGGEST something, but ultimately YOU chose.

I’m afraid you might have lost her there, your answer (“Me: are you curious that i’m not curious?”) was too wordy, too complicated, too heavy. Something like : “I’m not because I get to chose the venue, so I know already” would have been better. She would have followed why a basic “oh, really?” shit-test, which you would have passed with a laconic “yeah, really”. After about 2 hours of silence, busy taming her hamster, she would have finally sent: “so, where do we meet?”.

The first part of your exchange was really good though, your first three texts are right on the money.

“are you curious that i’m not curious?” is not just clever wordplay and conversational command but it’s less “wordy” and “complicated” than the response you offered as substitute.

But his concluding replies are too reactive to her frame. (“I’ll bite.” “You’re naughty.” Repeating her language without twisting it.)

HB 7.5: i’m always curious (my name)

Me: curiosity killed the pussycat. you’d best stay home

She’s already obviously interested and in the playable position. Now she needs to be teased. Then given very specific instructions, perfect for text. “Be ready anytime between 7:30 and 8:45.” She found a way to call him boss, now he has to act like one.

But you’re right, letting her even think about picking the venue is a bad foot forward.

So, Nightly can’t come out, but two of my natural friends and an AFC want to go out to a club. Ya, all right I’ll go with them and open some sets, whatever.
I’m noticing that a key way to gain respect is to simply not take shit in a cool way.
Like, check this interaction:

…
Get to the club. Naturally we end up on the dancefloor. We’re kind of standing around, and I stand there for a few seconds, notice a 7 dancing near me, and I just do the chode thing and ask her to dance. /Denied.

I look around the dancefloor, and I realize that I need a plan. The first plan is to build value and stop standing alone like a faggot. So, I get in the center of where my friends are, and I just start doing some crazy dance moves (I’m not a bad dancer). My buddies get into it soon enough and start getting rowdy. This gets the attention of everyone around us. Then, I notice this chubby girl wander into orbit, and I grin at her and sort of spin her into Natural1 — he’s a pleasure of sex guy, and so, as I intend, soon enough they’re grinding away.

AFC guy does his AFC thing and does crazy, but uncoordinated dance moves — soon enough he’s half taking his shirt off and double-grinding with the chubby chick. Now, we’re getting some attention. I notice a 3 set of chicks, Quiet5.5, Cute6.5, Cool6, standing closeby. I’m wearing a vest (Natural1 earlier said it made me look like Bizarro A.C. Slater lol) So, anyway….I turn to them…

Me: My friends think I look like a bizarro A.C. Slater, is that true?!
(all three start laughing)
Me: (to Cute6.5) So……which one of you guys wants to get on the right side of these dimples? (smirk)
Cute6.5: Oh my gawd…
Me: (puts my hand on her shoulder)DON’TYOUOHMYGODME…
Cute6.5: (freaks out! bitch snarl suddenly) DON’T TOUCH ME, YOU DON’T KNOW ME
(O noooooooooo….it’s like my first FR all over again. But then, I manage to relax, and I look her dead in the eye: “Keep Calm and Smirk On” is how to best describe the feeling. I’m still looking at her, when I address the group)
Me: Your friend over here….HATES me
(Now I look at her friend)
Me: I’m just a shy guy trying to talk to some people, tryin to keep it honest
Cute6.5: Oh bullshit, shy!
Me: (I thumb at her) She always like this? Geez. I’m about to cry.
Cute6.5: I just don’t like to be touched
Me: YA, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A REAL FUN TIME, BUT NOW IT’S ALL OVER….GREAT, GEEWHIZ
Cute6.5: (laughs) Oh my god you are so full of shit
Me: Y’know, where I come from we just apologize for being rude.
Cute6.5 (rolls eyes): Hahahaha, I’m sorry for freaking out.
Me: (grins) Accepted…..I can’t believe you caved, dork.

Blah blah blah…now we have a perfect storm of activity. Natural2 is just real tall and going back between the 3 set and the wild grind-sesh. We’re having more fun than anyone else on that dancefloor. What happens? Shy6 turns and looks over at us. When her eyes settle on me, I stick my tongue out at her and cross my eyes. She smirks, shakes her head (no, it wasn’t a playful headshake, it was a ‘you’re a creep’ headshake at first glance), and looks away.

Naturally, I just leave the 3 set and come to stand right behind her.
Me: Hey, I’m right behind you, so if you bump into my dick, now you know.
Her: (turns around, looking at me skeptically) Okay, thanks
Me: You’re a bitch.
Her: (eyes widen)
Me: You gave me a dirty look! I actually just walked over here to tell you that.
Her: You walked all the way over here to be mean to me?
Me: YA. DEAL WITH IT. (puts hands on hips…silence for a second, takes a deep breath) K. well, I didn’t really have an escape plan. (we both laugh) Awk-waaaard.
Her: You should prepare for these things.
Me: (beading my eyes at her and shaking my head)
Her: (looks at me for another second, continues to sway a little, dancing)
Me: ….(chode error probably)….so you wanna dance?
Her: (she smirks…and turns toward me, her hands go up and around my neck, mine go to the small of her waist) All right. (we dance for a minute or so and I catch her eyes) ….you know, you’re short.
Me: Oh….no I’m not, I’m just really far away….(pulls closer) See. Better.
Her: (still looking at me, smiling) You’re still short.
Me: (grinning) You’re still a bitch.
Her: (and then….it happens. A glimpse of DDB…..before suddenly, she just kind of backs away….abruptly takes her hands off me)
Me: Something wrong?
Her: …I just can’t dance, I don’t know how. I’m not good at it.
(lolwtf….I blink a few times, then I notice that she has a fat friend dancing right next to her — yikes, totally didn’t even realize)
Me: Oh ya, okay, take your time…..
(I engage fatty fun friend and just dance and party with her for awhile…..Shy6 kind of stands there, staring..I’m not sure what her deal is. What I do notice is that two taller, better looking guys ask her to dance. /DENIED. Eventually, she somehow winds up near me again and so we start dancing again….she’s pretty sinuous with it. Then, she turns around to face me and looks away….I can’t really figure it out, where am I at?)
Me: So I wanna get to know you better. What color do you hate?
Her: (thinks for a few seconds, leans in) Blue.

Blah blah blah, ‘oh nice, ya fuck that color b/c…’ partial DHV story about me wanting to do something good for my mom so I painted her room her favorite color — blue, except that it wasn’t her favorite color. But she was so surprised by the gesture that she just kept the room that color to this day anyway (true story, save the actual colors). So it’s kinda DHV, it’s kinda comfort….maybe? Idfk.

By now, Natural1 has already fucked Chubby in the bathroom…his words “ya bro, we fucked in a stall. it was gross. I’m having an awesome night.” Natural2 has taken several incriminating pictures of Natural1 “the good thing with fat chicks is that you fuck the folds too….” Natural1’s comeback? “…of course. I don’t want to get her pregnant.”

That original 3set is still there, so I come back to them, and I try to get that party going again. This time, though, I don’t wait for any eye contact. I just approach Lebanon6 (it’s a situation where she was probably a 7 in her day, but she’s like early-mid 30’s looking).

So this approach was pretty funny (to me) I just kind of dance in front of her…

Me: K, what’s up?
Her: Nothin, just havin a good time, you?
Natural1: This guy is like A.C. Slater, if you know what I mean….
Me: (smirks, we both look at him, he waggles his eyebrows)
Natural1:…in that he’s got a huge dick. (slinks back to mack on the original 3 set. I turn back to her. Fairly sure he’s drunk lol)
Me: So ya, I’m just waiting for the right moment to take out my dick. (grins)
Her: (she frowns) well that’s not going to be any time soon
Me: Oh ya? Dope. Hey, just let me know when I’m creeping you out k? (spoken as I move closer, putting my hands on her waist, looking at her)
Her: All right, I will.
Me: K, cool…(pulls her closer) Now?
Her: (looks me in the eye) Nope.
Me: (Could I kiss her, right now? Could this happen again so soon? I chode out…instead I just play bongos on her ass…she laughs)

I do a ton of c/f, DHV stories, engaging her friend the obstacle (Natural2 tried to talk to her friend, who was like a 5.5-6 too, but she didn’t seem too into it)….manage to get both of them off the dancefloor to a quieter area. I start to notice that every time she looks at me in the eye, she looks away and laughs. Time to fall back on the old battleaxe

Interspersed with makeout sessions of increasing intensity, we share. She likes classic rock, I like classic rock — it makes us FEEL this way. She plays poker, I play poker — we FEEL like this when we play. She likes movies, I like movies — the best ones are ones that make us FEEL like… Somewhere in the midst of all this, in my mind I’m like wait, this is comfort! She isn’t from here and is only in town for two more days. So now, I’m like ‘well shit, name of the game is escalation….’ I -ask- (probably a mistake, but I didn’t know how to just ‘lead’ both of them outta there) if they just wanna take a walk to their hotel, which is nearby. Her and her friend confer — thank God I got in good with her friend. But then….

Her: Ya sure, let’s walk…but, as a question, what do you expect to get out of tonight?
Me: (Oh shit, is this some sort of shit test? Uhhhh, uhhhhh, uhhhh) …ha just having a good time, fun? Is that not allowed?
Her: Ya well you’re not getting any sex tonight. Just so you know.
Me: (uhhhhh, uhhhhh, short-circuit….) Ha, relax already…..I don’t even know what sex is.
Her: Mmmmhm.
Me: Ya, you’re the first girl who’s ever liked me.
Her: I call bullshit on that. You probably run your game on all these girls here. Such a player
Me: (outside of my reality that anyone would even believe that, so I just smirk and shrug)

Her friend actually goes and does her own thing for awhile — yaaaaa, she’s almost like a wing woman. Now it’s all on me. In my mind I’m like ‘k, is this ASD? Is that what I’ve been dealing with all night? Solution is more comfort, rite?’ After another little makeout and talk she’s like…

Her: ….so tell me something else
Me: I don’t have to tell you shit
Her: Oh, okay….
Me: (takes her hand, looks at it…she tells me about how she broke her hand fairly recently, and I tell her a story about how I broke the fingers — on accident — of one of my very first HS crushes — true story lol)
Her: (laughs)
Me: Ya…….so, I like the color blue, so be on watch for me fucking you up for hating blue.
Her: …..I didn’t say that I hated blue. (she gives me a pointed look)
(Mental blink…o nooooooo that was the OTHER girl…..I just sit there with an impish grin on my face)
Her:…..ahahahaha, you fucked up! Can’t even keep your girls straight.
Me: (I just start to laugh)…….your face fucked up. Fuck you.
Her: Mmmmhm
Me: Which color did you say you hated again (I lean closer)
Her: Peach…(most sexual kiss of the bunch)

So what happens? I can’t break the ASD…I just drop her off at the elevator. Phuuuuuck. I got her number and everything during the interaction. She said she couldn’t promise we’d hang out the next day because it was her last night with her friend or whatever. Goddammit. Gay. Not enough attraction/comfort? UGH!

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Lebanon6 falls through, as planned the next day. I have a Day2 with Tall6.5. I’m terrible at it generally. I don’t have the skill to pass sudden shit tests after having already made out with someone. Anyway, Tall6.5 is just a litany of ‘ya, we’re not a love match’ ‘ya, you’re not my type,’ ‘ya, this is the best conversation I’ve had in a long time, but we’ll never…’ I mean…just bomb after bomb after bomb randomly dropped. I was too intimidated to kino much, or to even try and kino….I just tried to follow optimal strategy and kind of shrug off whatever she said with things like ‘lol cool story’ or whatever.

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Overall general social interaction trend — I notice that girls try and tool me more. However, given my experiences in the field…I’m viewing that as a good thing. Of course, all I have to go off of is the vibe as I perceive it, which could be in my own mind. But, nowadays I kinda think they get a little attracted and try to avoid it by talking shit. And the better I get at it, the more popular I become.

But ya, these last two weeks have been weird for sure! Any help’s appreciated, tear it apart, tear me apart….gonna continue to Keep Calm and Smirk On.

Dude I was cheering for you with the shy hb6 and when Lebanon shit tested you on the sex. One thing you might want to try next time when a girl lulls that stunt is to destroy her reality and flip her script.

“What do you mean? I’m not going to have sex with YOU. I can’t even believe we kissed, I usully make girls wait at least three dates until we even do that. I want you to get to know me better”.

Scray, btw I think you handled it fine but try flipping the script sometime. You will know what to say because its the same thing that women say to us!

Ima yield to the more advanced commenters but isolate to the bar or a venue change. Or if she’s a truly a shy girl and worried about her rep then solid number close and set up a day 2!

Also, on your day two with the tall hb6.5, I had those same painful day two experiences starting out last year. You’ll get the hang of it I promise my man. First you’ll get the logistics down, then the kino down, then the kiss close, then the plausible excuse to go back to your crib. It’s similar to running a set, there is so many things to work on that you’ll improve one thing at a time.

You will succeed tho in this area. If you want one thing to work on for a day two then get a formula down that’s easy to stick to.

1) meet at bar or lounge for drinks and run rapport and cocky funny and start doing kino
2) say you’ll get the tab but she can get the round at this really cool bar across the street
3) amp up the sexual vibe at venue 2 and try to go for a kiss there
4) use a cover to go back to your place (my first times after learning game last year was to see my pet Japanese fighting fish *beta fish* back at my place and it worked)
5) take it from there

Keep up the good work my dude I learned a lot from your FR you have a great way of getting into the nuances of social dynamics.

Wow. I hope she was joking. I’m pretty sure we need to unleash free market forces ’cause all-engrossing narcissism, which must be real in enough cases, is bad for the gene pool and culture. Do your goodness, the Decline, do your wholesome goodness. lollolzlolz

Well, she’s a retired/unretired porn star at the age of 22. Part of her ‘job’ is to tweet sexually enticing pictures of herself. It’s not for everyone, I guess, but it is for me (and maybe 90% of all males.) Thanks for visiting my blog, that’s an old one but happy to see the link from this blog,

We have guest over at my parents house, business partner of my fathers.

Dude is 50 with 2 kids. Wife cheated on him TWICE! First time 5 yrs ago he forgave her the second time she cheated he was WILLING to give her yet another chance…SHE’S the one who left him! WOW!

I told him “dude I don’t know how you remained so calm I would have killed her the first time” the guy looked calmer than a cucumber.

I swear it must be genetic because this guy was calmer than a cucumber while I literally felt my head swell and blood boil. The man came from a good family the girl was 24 when he got with her 8 year age difference the guy is good looking in decent shape ran his own company.

At least the bitch is paying child support…as an RN she makes 120k lol he shows 50k.

It makes sense that a cheating whore would choose a calm man to be with as she knew and understood her cheating nature. I’ve expressly told all my gfs after 6 months that they risk physical violence if they cheat on me especially if things are serious. Some of us are simply wild men I’m one of those I’m not pounding my chest tough guy style it’s biological and learned from my crazy mother. I’ve beaten men women children animals when I get angry any recognition of consequences go out the window. It’s much better today but you cuckold me you risk a smashed face…consequences be damned.

By and large I’ve improved tremendously. That being said some of us simply have loose screws. Both of my grandfathers have shed blood. My moms dad killed a bunch of Germans and Italians in world war 2. And not some air strike bs I’m talking bullets to the heart. Both suffered wounds both had PTSD. My dad used to work shipping lines he got booted from one of them for grabbing a knife during an altercation. Growing up that guy would get crazy at times and break shit, phones, doors, etc. I would lol when he’d flip on my crazy mom.

Some of us are simply more violence prone than others. There is, after all, a reason why so many damn wars have been fought. Not gonna lie, I think it’s funny how so many people are afraid of force while it comes as second nature to me.

This may explain why many masculine women today are “coming out as ;lesbians” rather than in previous generations.

When you observe butch dykes today, and strip away their self-conscious attempts to mimic men (masculine hairdos, weight training, pathetic attempts to be “manly”) in previous generations they would have been the wives and gfs of truck drivers, union guys, and manual laborers.

I remember watching the old documentary “Cat House”, which was filmed, I believe, in the 1980s or 1970s. I was surprised when I saw truckers trying to sleep with the more manly chicks there. You can watch old “realistic” (i.e. arty movies about poor people) movies from the 1970s to see the same thing—big masculine hairy trucker dudes took up with loud mamas (for a more modern take, see Dog the Bounty Hunter, whose wife is a classic loud-mouthed-fat bitch who would probably have gone dyke had Dog not been around.)

As we’ve become more automated and pushed masculine behavior on women whilst deploring it in men, we’ve created an imbalance where we have more manly women find fewer masculine males worthy of mating. So they warp their sexuality into something perverse like permanent muff-diving.

P.s. this is why we had legal sex discrimination in work and finishing schools for bitches—to keep the girls just girlish enough to have enough mates. Women, stupidly, could not see that being more girlish actually benefited them.

Women want a man to out-man them. The more feminine the chick, the less masculinity she needs to satisfy her need for a “masculine” man. This is what old broads used to mean when they said they wanted a man “who could handle them.” Feminazis have lyingly warped this into meaning. that forcing more women to be loud and brassy was the way to go.

Of course more masculinish females need ultra high doses of intra-vaginal T injections in order to for them to remain calm and to constrain themselves from violent attacks on the innocent.Even small children understand this perfectly.
Or you could quote F. Neitzsche directly: “Whoever goes to a woman needs to bring a whip.” And good pair of riding spurs so she will never feel neglected. I might add.

Yes, I’m prone to violence as well. 5 brothers- grew up fighting etc. Long military history. You just shouldn’t ever have threaten girls not to cheat on you. It should be the furthest thing from their mind. Makes you look weak.

I wonder if the more masculine girls also care more about the physical attractiveness of males than feminine girls do. I’ve had this gut feeling and it seems plausible. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

[CH: I think your gut is right. This dynamic is especially noticeable during the woman’s ovulatory week.]

I hate to go all HBD up in here, but I’ve also noticed black women care more about physical attractiveness in their men. Satoshi Kanazawa had something to say about their masculinity. This fits with your hypothesis.

I don’t really interact with Black women so I’d have no idea about that. Don’t they have higher testosterone levels than females of other races? I think they do so your observation would be right in line with this hypothesis.

This is for everyone, though younger guys may have to research it a bit. This is intended to be a silly uniting post that crosses multiple lines. I’ll keep it brief. I just listened to greatest hits of both Journey and Hall & Oats. That shit is classic; holds up over time. I personally lean toward more testosterone driven fare like Rage and Metallica, but damn, these are some good albums. Yes, more beta than I prefer, but fun music, nonetheless. Anyway, just sharing some positive vibes with the community. Enjoy… or hate away, as you deem fit.

“Thank You!” to the more than 800 Heartiste faithful for visiting our BiBi Jones blog (and helping me incur bandwidth charges.) Here’s another that contains an important poll created for an intelligent audience such as this.

1. Female fashion models are NOT examples of what heterosexual males are physically/sexually attracted to.

2. Female fashion models ARE examples of what HOMOSEXUAL male fashion designers use to ‘accessorize the clothing’ (e.g. the female body is not their focus). The purpose of a female fashion model is pretty much that of a ‘walking clothes hangar’.

On the subject of maculine women, here’s a peach of gal at U of Maryland writing to her soririty sisters RE greek week. This has gone viral. Might be older, but makes a good point RE the value of higher ed. Enjoy.

If you just opened this like I told you to, tie yourself down to whatever chair you’re sitting in, because this email is going to be a rough fucking ride.

For those of you that have your heads stuck under rocks, which apparently is the majority of this chapter, we have been FUCKING UP in terms of night time events and general social interactions with Sigma Nu. I’ve been getting texts on texts about people LITERALLY being so fucking AWKWARD and so fucking BORING. If you’re reading this right now and saying to yourself “But oh em gee Julia, I’ve been having so much fun with my sisters this week!”, then punch yourself in the face right now so that I don’t have to fucking find you on campus to do it myself.

I do not give a flying fuck, and Sigma Nu does not give a flying fuck, about how much you fucking love to talk to your sisters. You have 361 days out of the fucking year to talk to sisters, and this week is NOT, I fucking repeat NOT ONE OF THEM. This week is about fostering relationships in the greek community, and that’s not fucking possible if you’re going to stand around and talk to each other and not our matchup. Newsflash you stupid cocks: FRATS DON’T LIKE BORING SORORITIES. Oh wait, DOUBLE FUCKING NEWSFLASH: SIGMA NU IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO HANG OUT WITH US IF WE FUCKING SUCK, which by the way in case you’re an idiot and need it spelled out for you, WE FUCKING SUCK SO FAR. This also applies to you little shits that have talked openly about post gaming at a different frat IN FRONT OF SIGMA NU BROTHERS. Are you people fucking retarded? That’s not a rhetorical question, I LITERALLY want you to email me back telling me if you’re mentally slow so I can make sure you don’t go to anymore night time events. If Sigma Nu openly said “Yeah we’re gonna invite Zeta over”, would you be happy? WOULD YOU? No you wouldn’t, so WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO IT TO THEM?? IN FRONT OF THEM?!! First of all, you SHOULDN’T be post gaming at other frats, I don’t give a FUCK if your boyfriend is in it, if your brother is in it, or if your entire family is in that frat. YOU DON’T GO. YOU. DON’T. GO. And you ESPECIALLY do fucking NOT convince other girls to leave with you.

“But Julia!”, you say in a whiny little bitch voice to your computer screen as you read this email, “I’ve been cheering on our teams at all the sports, doesn’t that count for something?” NO YOU STUPID FUCKING ASS HATS, IT FUCKING DOESN’T. DO YOU WANNA KNOW FUCKING WHY?!! IT DOESN’T COUNT BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN FUCKING UP AT SOBER FUCKING EVENTS TOO. I’ve not only gotten texts about people being fucking WEIRD at sports (for example, being stupid shits and saying stuff like “durr what’s kickball?” is not fucking funny), but I’ve gotten texts about people actually cheering for the opposing team. The opposing. Fucking. Team. ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?!! I don’t give a SHIT about sportsmanship, YOU CHEER FOR OUR GODDAMN TEAM AND NOT THE OTHER ONE, HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN TO A SPORTS GAME? ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? Or are you just so fucking dense about what it means to make people like you that you think being a good little supporter of the greek community is going to make our matchup happy? Well it’s time someone told you, NO ONE FUCKING LIKES THAT, ESPECIALLY OUR FUCKING MATCHUP. I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don’t give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.

“Ohhh Julia, I’m now crying because your email has made me oh so so sad”. Well good. If this email applies to you in any way, meaning if you are a little asswipe that stands in the corners at night or if you’re a weird shit that does weird shit during the day, this following message is for you:

DO NOT GO TO TONIGHT’S EVENT.

I’m not fucking kidding. Don’t go. Seriously, if you have done ANYTHING I’ve mentioned in this email and have some rare disease where you’re unable to NOT do these things, then you are HORRIBLE, I repeat, HORRIBLE PR FOR THIS CHAPTER. I would rather have 40 girls that are fun, talk to boys, and not fucking awkward than 80 that are fucking faggots. If you are one of the people that have told me “Oh nooo boo hoo I can’t talk to boys I’m too sober”, then I pity you because I don’t know how you got this far in life, and with that in mind don’t fucking show up unless you’re going to stop being a goddamn cock block for our chapter. Seriously. I swear to fucking God if I see anyone being a goddamn boner at tonight’s event, I will tell you to leave even if you’re sober. I’m not even kidding. Try me.

And for those of you who are offended at this email, I would apologize but I really don’t give a fuck. Go fuck yourself.

[CH: Yeah, this babe Rebecca has a masculinized psyche. Which explains why she’s so fucking funny. Too bad she deleted her Twitter account.]

I think Kate is right about eye color. My wife has brown eyes. I have blue eyes. Both of her children by her first husband have blue eyes. Her daughter, who is of course off-limits to me, I find very attractive. She is in her 40s and I am in my 60s. When we are together, I feel a lot of electricity there. It’s a nice problem.

Oh, you thought brown eyed women could not have blue eyed kids, me too. But I was wrong. There may be doubt about who the father is, but there is no doubt about who the mother of these two blue eyed kids was.

This has to be stressed. Cathedral leftoids constantly put out a let’s-have-a-discussion, let’s-not-be-too-harsh, our-weirdo-outlier-boundary-pushers-shouldn’t-lose-their-jobs vibe. Real conservatives, paleo-conservatives, real-talkers have to stick the rhetorical shiv in and twist it and poke around until vital organs are irreparably cut. I want Bryan Caplan and his open borders bs mocked until he submits to reality and changes his tune or loses his job and is reduced to handing out strip club coupons on 7th Avenue.

And also the public-shit-test of the century; I believe [insane narcissist] Salma Hayek once said [just after breaking up with Edward Norton],

“What confuses and scares me most about men is the way they are so weak. Well, most of them. That’s why they pretend to be detached and macho because they are very weak and fragile underneath. They structure their lives so they don’t have to deal with their emotions and feelings. That scares me. My mother always says, ‘When are you going to get married?’ And I say, ‘When I find a man that has more balls than I do!”

I should have added empathy. Men worry about CIVILIZATION itself, as this blog shows. Women’s blogs are about handbags and shoes. Literally. They are children. Women mistake men’s concern about “everything” as “very weak and fragile underneath.” This bitch Salma literally mis-interprets concern for civilization and interprets it as “fragile underneath” in her fucked up selfish female brain. Or in other words she looks down on the very thing she should find admirable.

[CH: CH did take care to note that that was a weak conclusion of the original cited study. Namely, that the sketches of the longer legged men made the legs look thinner, which would influence results. The findings for the women stand tall. Heh.]