GTAF Gang League 2013

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GTAF Gang League 2013 is a competition between unofficial gangs during 2013, in GTA multiplayer on IV:MP, LaD:MP, BoGT:MP, and V:MP.

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General Rules_____________________

GTAF Gang League 2013 ends on 27.12.2013 and then the winner is announced, and the awards' winners are named.______________________________________________________________________________________________

GTAF Gang Cup 2013 sub competition begins on 1.10.2013 and lasts until 27.11.2013, all the info on the cup can be found in the second post.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Victory in a match earns 2 points, a draw gives 1 point to both gangs, and a defeat gives 0 points. You must play 2 rounds, otherwise the match won't count.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Based on the results during the year, the awards are given to the ones that do best, so it is very important to provide screenshots and/or videos of the matches.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Matches are played via scheduled fixtures around certain dates. If all of the matches of a certain fixture are completed before the deadline, next fixture will automatically start.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Any form of cheating is not allowed, whether it's the abuse of the rules, usage of turbo controllers, freezing games, speed hacks and any other mods that exist. If any of such occurs, the other gang will get an auto win no matter what the original result was. To make sure you're not being cheated, it is advised to have someone who can record the game or take screenshots so you can prove or disprove any potential foul play, otherwise it's your word against theirs.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If a gang closes, and then reopens under a new name, then enters GL back, results from the old gang name and theme cannot be retained, and you will have to start from zero.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If gangs have the same number of points in the end of GL, final position is decided by a) Matches with that gang b) Less defeats c) More wins and/or draws, d) Race Tie-Breaker for the additional 0.5 points.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Final date for applications of new gangs is 1.8.2013. Gangs that wish to join GL after that date will have to wait for GL 2014, though rare exceptions can be made. Until then, any gang can join any division, unless the division is full, or if there is a lot of gangs and not enough time for the new applicant to finish their matches.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Each system league can have a maximum of 10 gangs competing. If a system has 1 gang at the end of the year, that 1 gang will get one win and become the winner of that system as unchallenged.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Gangs that close down during the year 2013 will keep their w-d-l ratio, but all their results with other gangs are erased, and they are given 0 points, at the bottom of the table above other that closed played and/or died._____________________

Match Rules_____________________

Matches can be organized via the GL topic, the PM's, or via chat in the gangs' threads. However, for a match to be counted as a GL match, you must post in the GL topic exactly when the match is happening, and that you want to organize the match, as well as post screenshots or videos, or written results after the match is done, as well as any additional material.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If one gang clearly wants to play, and the other doesn't reply at all, the gang wanting to play will get a 2:0 forfeit win, additionally the fixture deadline will get extended for a couple of weeks and be a bit flexible, but not for very long.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If both gangs do not show interest in doing their match, and it ends up incomplete in it's extended scheduled time, gangs will get a 0:0 draw out of it, and 0 points each for it, and will also be unable to organize the match at a later date, and will have to proceed with the next fixture.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Banned members can't take part in matches. If one was found playing, the result of that match will be changed to a win for the opposing team no matter what the original result was. Same goes to members who don't have GTAF accounts, or are on the gang topic roster but without a GTAF account.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Before each fixture, gangs will have to notify the event host of any potential roster changes. If a gang brings a new player who joined (eg. 2 days before the match, or 2 weeks before the match) the player will be ineligible to play for them, but exceptions can be made if approved.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If the gangs have fully agreed on a date and time, 24 hours before the match is to happen, during the given dates for that fixture to be played, and one of them doesn't show up, or doesn't have at least 2 players to play, the win goes to the other gang that was ready.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Buzzards, and Annihilator with explosive rounds are not allowed in EFLC matches. Any abuse of them will be punished by invalidating the results, and a win will be given to the abused gang.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Annihilator in IV is allowed, however, each gang must have no more then 1 pilot in air. Also both gangs should agree before the match whether they will both use 1 pilot, or will their match or a round of the match be a ground fight only.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Allies are not allowed to help gangs in matches, because it could result in sabotage. You must play only with your own gang members.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Every match should be played with max 8 players on each side, and a minimum of 2 players on each side to start it. The more players, the more intense and fun it can get though.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Match can be ended with a player less if near the end(second half of the round the earliest), a player walks away, or loses internet connection. Matches 8 on 7, 7 on 6, 6 on 5, 5 on 4, 4 on 3 and 3 on 2 can be played if the team with the lower number of players agrees to continue. It would be preferred to play with the same number of players on both sides though. 2 vs 1 is not allowed. If a round ends in an equal score for both gangs, additional Race will determine the winner of the round, with it's Settings below. Whoever gets 1st place, his gang wins that round. Win by any means possible, which means one player can race, and the other 2 can block/kill/hunt/whatever opposing gang members.______________________________________________________________________________________________

-Note-Applications are for new gangs that arrive during 2013, and those who arrived in the last months of 2012.New gangs can sign up until August 1st, 2013.Your gang needs to be here at least 2 months, have at least 3 members and your topic at least 10 pages to be eligible to enter.

AndyGanteks

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Best Event 2010 "GTAF Gang League 2010"
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GTAF Gang Cup 2013 is a competition between unofficial gangs during 2013, in GTA multiplayer on IV:MP, LaD:MP, BoGT:MP, and V:MP.

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General Rules_____________________

GTAF Gang Cup 2013 sub competition begins on 1.10.2013 and lasts until 27.11.2013, all the info on the cup can be found in the second post.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Remaining alive gangs from each system compete for the win, but number of each system gangs may vary depending on the amount of alive gangs on that system, and that will determine whether the Cup for a certain system starts from 1/4 Final, 1/2 Final or Final. Victory in any round gives you 1 point.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Based on the results during the event, the awards are given to the ones that do best, so it is very important to provide screenshots and/or videos of the matches.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If gangs have the same number of points in the end of GC, final position is decided by a) W-L ratio b) Matches with that gang in GL c) Less defeats in GL d) More wins and/or draws, e) Race Tie-Breaker for the additional 0.5 points.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Gang advancing to the next round is the one with most wins. Each win gives a point to your W-L, and the winner of most points after all the duels are finished advances through.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Each round(1/4 Final, 1/2 Final or Final), will have a special setting for each of the GTA modes. There will only be 1 match on each mode, using the given settings. Settings will be added and confirmed with gangs taking part before the event begins, as well as modes.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Any form of cheating is not allowed, whether it's the abuse of the rules, usage of turbo controllers, freezing games, speed hacks and any other mods that exist. If any of such occurs, the other gang will get an auto win no matter what the original result was. To make sure you're not being cheated, it is advised to have someone who can record the game or take screenshots so you can prove or disprove any potential foul play, otherwise it's your word against theirs.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If a gang closes, and then reopens under a new name during the Cup matches, their results can't be retained, and they will forfeit their remaining Cup matches.______________________________________________________________________________________________

It is advised to do your matches by the deadline. While extensions may be possible, if a gang doesn't reply after a few extensions will lose their duel on forfeit.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Gangs must follow the exact settings written, and only in case of a 2v2 can they lower the money or match duration and only that. PS3 and 360 side must play either 3v3 or 4v4 on GTA V._____________________

Match Rules_____________________

Matches can be organized via the GL topic, the PM's, or via chat in the gangs' threads. However, for a match to be counted as a GC match, you must post in the GL topic exactly when the match is happening, and that you want to organize the match, as well as post screenshots or videos, or written results after the match is done, as well as any additional material.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If one gang clearly wants to play, and the other doesn't reply at all, the gang wanting to play will get a forfeit win and advance through, additionally the fixture deadline will get extended for a couple of weeks and be a bit flexible, but not for very long.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Banned members can't take part in matches. If one was found playing, the result of that match will be changed to a win for the opposing team no matter what the original result was. Same goes for members who don't have GTAF accounts, or are on the gang topic roster but without a GTAF account.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Between and before the cup rounds, gangs will have to notify the event host of any potential roster changes. If a gang brings a new player who joined (eg. 2 days before the match, or 2 weeks before the match) the player will be ineligible to play for them, but exceptions can be made if approved.______________________________________________________________________________________________

If the gangs have fully agreed on a date and time, 24 hours before the match is to happen, during the given dates for that fixture to be played, and one of them doesn't show up, or doesn't have at least 2 players to play, the win goes to the other gang that was ready.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Buzzards, and Annihilator with explosive rounds are not allowed in IV/EFLC matches. Any abuse of them will be punished by invalidating the results, and a win will be given to the abused gang.______________________________________________________________________________________________

GTA V:MP settings that are used for this event can be found below.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Allies are not allowed to help gangs in matches, because it could result in sabotage. You must play only with your own gang members.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Every match should be played with max 8 players on each side, and a minimum of 2 players on each side to start it. The more players, the more intense and fun it can get though.______________________________________________________________________________________________

Match can be ended with a player less if near the end(second half of the round the earliest), a player walks away, or loses internet connection. Matches 8 on 7, 7 on 6, 6 on 5, 5 on 4, 4 on 3 and 3 on 2 can be played if the team with the lower number of players agrees to continue. It would be preferred to play with the same number of players on both sides though. 2 vs 1 is not allowed. If a round ends in an equal score for both gangs, additional Race will determine the winner of the round, with it's Settings below. Whoever gets 1st place, his gang wins that round. Win by any means possible, which means one player can race, and the other 2 can block/kill/hunt/whatever opposing gang members.______________________________________________________________________________________________

AndyGanteks

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Best Event 2010 "GTAF Gang League 2010"
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So, here it is guys, symbolically on the 5th January, in the year when we get GTA 5/Five/V.

As you can see V:MP is now added to the event, or should i say slowly being added in, as we don't got a clue about V:MP yet.

Either way, the premise is simple, we'll play the first half of the year via IV era games(no restrictions eg, no IV and EFLC home duels for PS3 like last year - not enough time), and when V is out, assuming April or May, the schedule which will be made once the sign up is finished around mid-January, will come to a month, month and a half break around the time V releases. Then we'll fall igure out some very first optimal settings for V:MP and it's modes, and will add it to the GL officially for the 2nd half of the year and the remaining matches, and the topic, the settings, the rules and everything will be modified accordingly to it. Due to the modders, the hacks that will get discovered in the months' after release, we probably won't have 100% perfect settings for V at start, but we'll iron it out as the 2013 comes to a close.

You will still be able to play your duels via IV, LaD or BoGT when V is out if you want. I assume most will want to play via V then, but if the gangs' want, they can still play via IV era games in the second part of the year.

The Cup that will be held again in october and november, we'll get to that around august and september, we'll finish it before it begins, and adapt it to the newly released V.

Of course, PC section will probably only play on IV era games this year, due to R* being R*...and not releasing the game at the same time as for consoles. It sure as hell ain't helping the GTAF PC gangs' scene.

Awards will be created later the year, i was thinking of getting the awards a new look, so i'll see if some of the GFX artists might want to get involved and help, such as Narcis, or maybe even someone from the GFX Heroes.

A suggestion was made last year for a ps3 and a 360 member to provide me with additional hosting help for the sections.If the persons are willing to, i was thinking of getting maybe aj(if he ain't busy with GW & other rl stuff), Mr.Reaper, maybe even nic or maybe enjoi or someone else from MMD to maybe help out with getting the matches organized for the ps3 side(one is enough though), and on the 360 side Rofl50 PM'ed me a few weeks ago volunteering to help bring the 360 gangs to get their matches done, and to generally help out with keeping the 360 gangs in line, and seeing out what new ones can join in, etc. I'm fine with that, if y'all up for it, it ain't much work for you lot, just a bit of help in regards to getting all the matches done by deadlines, getting new gangs in, and stuff like that.

As for the gangs, the new ones that came in second half of 2012 have been PM'ed so their response should be here soon, and they will be added to the tables once they accept/apply. A few more gangs, who i didn't PM yet, i will PM them later today or tomorrow too to see are they going to play.

As you can see from the 1st post, the general look and the event is 99% the same as last year, with a few cosmetic changes. If anyone's of course got any more suggestions on making few more things clear or so, do let me know, mistakes always occur(Franklin = Rankling legendary). As i said, the GC 2013 post will be finished in Aug/Sep before it begins, while the GL schedule will be created around mid-January once we get the final number of participants from the current active gangs. Of course new ones that join during the year, their schedules will be adapted accordingly.

I'm sure we'll also be in for some nice stuff by R* relating their crews system in V, so we will also incorporate the use of that when V is out into the GL somehow i'm sure. And god knows what else. GL will be fully updated according to V:MP once the game is out!

Shady C

AndyGanteks

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A J

I'm happy to see you are keen to run this again Andy, and this time willing to give the Xbox'ers a bit more chance to organise it themselves, good luck to Rofl and others who decide to be involved.

It's also really good to see new gangs involved this year, with both the High Rollers joining and MMD.

My only concern and slight complaint is that you wish to mix current GTA and then V in the same Gang League. In the coming weeks, Rockstar will release a date for V, multiplayer details will emerge, hype will go into overdrive and then finally, perhaps after a delay or two, it reaches us. Anyways to get to my point, I think current IV and Episodes, should be completely separate to V. V is going to special, so deserves a new, separate league and event of it's own.

So my suggestion would be have this Gang League, and base it on IV & Episodes only. But try to get it finished before V, and make a new league by that time, there might be a lot more gangs wanting to be involved, eg. D12, SRS, AoD and any new ones that might decide to come to the forum. Mixing the two together, and then having complications over games played, would be a pain.

In terms of the calendar and games to be played, I think the structure will make things happen quicker. It's a good idea to remove the whole separate IV and EFLC games, but I also think remove the idea of home and away games on different days.

For example, each tie would see 4 matches being played on the one day, if it's 2-2 it's a draw, 3-1 a win, 4-0 obviously a win. I don't think there should be much problem getting 4 games played in the one evening.

E.G.

Fixture 1

The Damned vs The Yardies

First 2 games, Damned choice. We pick two games of Team Mafiya Work on IV, we win both.Second 2 games, Yardies choice, you pick two games of Team Death Match on Ballad of Gay Tony, you win both games.

It's a draw. 1 Point each. It's done. We don't play again.

Fixture 2

The Highway Reapers MC vs The High Rollers.

First games, The Highway Reapers, pick two games of Team Death Match on TLaD, they win one and lose other.Second games, The High Rollers pick two games of Team Death Match on IV, they win both.

It's a win for the High Rollers, they get 2 points, it's done, they don't have to organise another game against THR-MC.

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I personally don't think Cops n Crooks, Witness Protection or Own the City should be included as possible choices, despite liking them, they depend exceedingly on luck, and in the case of Own the City, can very often lead to a draw (because this mode is underplayed and awesome though, you could make a rule, if it ends 50-50, the winning gang is the one with most kills).

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Hope you take note of my suggestions, and I will support the event as best I can.

A J

I prefer that set up, with the two for two, instead of Home and Away Games.

I don't like how you used us as the losing example.

Sorry about that poor example.

The biggest challenge this event has is organising games in the first place, there should never be forfeit victories in my opinion, because one gang might be particularly unavailable during a certain period.

Good to see ZKS also signed up here, already double the amount of gangs from last year. Great stuff, I think the more, the merrier.

AndyGanteks

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Best Event 2013 "GTAF Gang League 2013"
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Best Event 2010 "GTAF Gang League 2010"
Most Valuable Player 2010
Best Team Player 2010

FORSCOM and WotN added to the 360 points table, they accepted the entry and signed up via PM. Still waiting to hear from a few gangs, as well as to PM a few more who i haven't PM'ed yet, been away and bit busy.

These are some nice ideas aj, i will take a look at them carefully once the gangs' sign-up is done in a few days (as mentioned above), and see what can be incorporated. And actually the amount of gangs is the same if you look closely, it's just that last year Sons of War, Capadonna, etc died during the year, so only 3 gangs were left on PS3 in December.

Anyway about ZKS, i got a question, they are new and have been here 2-3 days on GTAF, i see you know them aj apparently? I need all of their members signed up to GTAF, and activity in their thread and other forum events by their members, and not just to make a topic and later die off like certain one week gangs, i hope you know what i mean, and i hope they turn out active!

Toke

Thank you for not adding the Angels of Death as we have no interest in this event.

Surprised though that you're allowing mod using gangs in this League as that automatically throws doubt on any potential win. In fact it throws doubt onto the entire Gang League. I would have thought that the absence of the gang sections largest most successful gangs might have knocked some sense into this event but it would appear that empty wins against invisible opponents is the way this event will be run. Quite sad considering the success of the first and second annual Gang League's, to see it now, wow, just sad.

ZKS_COMMANDER

FORSCOM and WotN added to the 360 points table, they accepted the entry and signed up via PM. Still waiting to hear from a few gangs, as well as to PM a few more who i haven't PM'ed yet, been away and bit busy.

These are some nice ideas aj, i will take a look at them carefully once the gangs' sign-up is done in a few days (as mentioned above), and see what can be incorporated. And actually the amount of gangs is the same if you look closely, it's just that last year Sons of War, Capadonna, etc died during the year, so only 3 gangs were left on PS3 in December.

Anyway about ZKS, i got a question, they are new and have been here 2-3 days on GTAF, i see you know them aj apparently? I need all of their members signed up to GTAF, and activity in their thread and other forum events by their members, and not just to make a topic and later die off like certain one week gangs, i hope you know what i mean, and i hope they turn out active!

We get your point about us not being on GTAF for that long, but we have been around a lot longer than you may be under the impression of. We have been around for about 3 years now, just never signed up to GTAF. So we're not going to die off after a week, I know that not what you said we were going to do, I'm just letting you know that we're not going to 'die off'

A J

I don't really know ZKS, but I'm aware of a lot of the clans and gangs that are found in free modes. ZKS happen to be one that I think are quite cool, there are a lot though who aren't. They have members, and so have joined the forum as a gang, and not a single player with a concept and wanting his own topic of fancy GFX, good luck messages and spam, I support groups joining the forum in this way , they add something to the community, and so in my opinion should be supported and given some leniency to settle in.

Good to see some Xbox gangs joining, Toke made a point about mods and including gangs that use them, this is cleanly addressed in the rules, but I think you need to be cautious about this, as some gangs with the knowledge of others having modders, might accuse them purposely to get forfeit wins. Perhaps a referee or third party should take responsibility for matters like this in games?

Any evidence of cheating with mods should result in complete removal of the gang from the event, and forum as a whole (be a bit controversial, but what the heck!)

Looking forward to seeing the Calendar, and hope in the meanwhile a few more might consider joining.

ZKS_COMMANDER

I don't really know ZKS, but I'm aware of a lot of the clans and gangs that are found in free modes. ZKS happen to be one that I think are quite cool, there are a lot though who aren't. They have members, and so have joined the forum as a gang, and not a single player with a concept and wanting his own topic of fancy GFX, good luck messages and spam, I support groups joining the forum in this way , they add something to the community, and so in my opinion should be supported and given some leniency to settle in.

Good to see some Xbox gangs joining, Toke made a point about mods and including gangs that use them, this is cleanly addressed in the rules, but I think you need to be cautious about this, as some gangs with the knowledge of others having modders, might accuse them purposely to get forfeit wins. Perhaps a referee or third party should take responsibility for matters like this in games?

Any evidence of cheating with mods should result in complete removal of the gang from the event, and forum as a whole (be a bit controversial, but what the heck!)

Looking forward to seeing the Calendar, and hope in the meanwhile a few more might consider joining.

Thanks for the kind words. If you want to know more about ZKS PM me or you can ask the High Rollers or the Highway Reapers MC as they know who we are and have played many games with us in the past

Commissioner Monk

Thank you for not adding the Angels of Death as we have no interest in this event.

Surprised though that you're allowing mod using gangs in this League as that automatically throws doubt on any potential win. In fact it throws doubt onto the entire Gang League. I would have thought that the absence of the gang sections largest most successful gangs might have knocked some sense into this event but it would appear that empty wins against invisible opponents is the way this event will be run. Quite sad considering the success of the first and second annual Gang League's, to see it now, wow, just sad.

Your point about mods is bang on and I agree.I dont however see any input on how to improve such a competition in your argument. All ive seen is an easy and lazy condemning opinion highlighting the fact that your respective gang is not involved. We are not in it therefore its not good kind of attitude with no mention of ideas for improvement. Well join it then and make it better instead of typing posts designed to mock those who are still willing to try and make it work. I thought I was the one that took it too seriously but it appears not.Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games. I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?. The real "SAD" thing is....."the absence of the gang sections most successful gangs".The only invisible opponents around here are....."the absence of the gang sections most successful gangs".How can the newer growing gangs better themselfs if the established gangs wont even get some players together and give them a match? Everyone likes a shot to topple the top dog but the elitist attitude of " the gang sections most successful gangs" deprives many interested parties that opertunity. Ok we give you guys your credit. You`ve been around a long time and have many members but how exactly is success defined on these forums? If gangs are unwilling to play each other then "gta forums success" must be the gangs who post a lot but dont play.If that`s the brand of success around here then I dont want to be successful.Thats the problem on the forums most people want to talk about GTA my friends and I we want to play it. You must have some interest in or you would not have taken the time to post so I offer this to you and the others who boycott it ...come up with a better way to run it we can then compare it against Andy G`s formula and pick the best way forward.... thats progress.... that`s success....ROLL OUT!!!!

SweatyPa1ms

Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games. I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?

No, its about competition. In a league, fairness has to be taken seriously. We (in the AoD) play GTA atleast once a week anyway so why would we join a league just to play some random games. It's a waste of time. We're not joining a flawed league because we've got other options. By the way, we did come up with a better way to run it in the past, but we got ignored, which is one of the main reasons we boycotted the event.

Toke

Your point about mods is bang on and I agree.I dont however see any input on how to improve such a competition in your argument.Didn't realize that was a requirement That being said my members tried multiple times to put in their input with little or no change, so forgive us if we've more or less thrown up our hands and said "f*ck it".

All ive seen is an easy and lazy condemning opinion highlighting the fact that your respective gang is not involvedActually it was easy and lazy condemnation that was merely a side note to the fact that I was pleased that we were not automatically placed within the League as has been the case before.

We are not in it therefore its not good kind of attitude with no mention of ideas for improvement. As said before, input and ideas for improvement have been brought forward to no avail, you can attempt to rape the dead horse if you wish but that's one road we at the AoD are not willling to drop trou for.

Well join it then and make it better instead of typing posts designed to mock those who are still willing to try and make it work.If you can't/wont institute change designed to help this event flourish and prosper instead of stagnating then why bother?

I thought I was the one that took it too seriously but it appears not.And how in any way does my short opinionated post in ANY way indicate that I of ALL people take this sh*t too seriosuly? PLEASE tell me.

]Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games.Do you even play gta these days? Not sure how widespread mods are on PS3 but on xbox they're EVERYWHERE, I mean sh*t have you looked over the xbox gangs lately? Kids openly admit to having them and using them freely. In that environment you cannot have have a healthy competitive atmosphere.

I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?And we need a gang league with broken rules and a unwillingness to change them to do that? Ya no thanks.

The only invisible opponents around here are....."the absence of the gang sections most successful gangs"I think you need to reread the rules and the results of last years Leauge to see that this event is broken, to not see it is idiocy on a whole new level. We and D12 saw and continue to see this thus we no longer wish to participate.

How can the newer growing gangs better themselfs if the established gangs wont even get some players together and give them a match?Most new gangs (360 anyway) include a modder and at LEAST one turbo user. While the turbo can be overcome easilly enough the mods give such a unfair advantage that its not even worth playing. I honestly envy you PS3 lads because from what your implying you don't have to deal with these things at all, oh how fortunate you are.

Everyone likes a shot to topple the top dog but the elitist attitude of " the gang sections most successful gangs" deprives many interested parties that opertunityDoes it? You would think it would make newer members and gangs even more wanting of competition, but instead this event has seen record lows in attendance, wonder why that is.

Ok we give you guys your credit. You`ve been around a long time and have many members but how exactly is success defined on these forums?By a) my quality members who have had to prove themselves both on forums on off, b) our talented officers who have created pretty much the best first post that 90% of the gangs in the gang section now copy in one form or another. My lads are quality boys whom for the most part I trust totally and thus far in my four years I have yet to be betrayed or anything of the like by any of them unlike most other gangs. So ya do forgive me if I take some pride in my gang, they've earned it.

If gangs are unwilling to play each other then "gta forums success" must be the gangs who post a lot but dont play.That might be true if we wern't still active on gta iv mp but we are. Granted were not on it 24/7 but to say that we don't play is fallacy and based upon nothing but wisps of hot air.

If that`s the brand of success around here then I dont want to be successfulI don't think you have anything to worry about in that department.

Thats the problem on the forums most people want to talk about GTA my friends and I we want to play itHave fun with that. You must stick to private games quite a bit. Either that or you've been blessed with never seeing a modder in action. If you had your opinion might be a tad different.

You must have some interest in or you would not have taken the time to post so I offer this to you and the others who boycott it ...come up with a better way to run it we can then compare it against Andy G`s formula and pick the best way forward.... thats progress.... that`s success....ROLL OUT!!!!Of course I have interest but not in event which has PROVEN to be broken. And since we have no real info on V we have to wait to see what comes of it and if this event can stand the test of time.

Sorry if any of that seemed mean or unwarranted but your post was very condescending so it would only go to figure I might respond in kind. After all I'm best known as being a complete asshole, why not live up to the hype?

Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games. I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?

No, its about competition. In a league, fairness has to be taken seriously. We (in the AoD) play GTA atleast once a week anyway so why would we join a league just to play some random games. It's a waste of time. We're not joining a flawed league because we've got other options. By the way, we did come up with a better way to run it in the past, but we got ignored, which is one of the main reasons we boycotted the event.

Undoubtedly fairness has to be taken seriously otherwise whats the point. Your not joining the league to play random games your joining the league to play againt the other gangs on the forum. Whats the point of having them if we dont play each other? Maybe the penny is just not dropping for me but I thought we were all like minded individuals who wanted to find some games and yes some competiton for the game we love. Ok I realise at this point in time the game is dated and a bigger fish awaits us in few months time. My point was the dismissive attitude that toke had towards the people involved. I was invloved.. i planned some days around playing in GL and so did some of my friends so that makes us sad because were not giving it the old "if we dont get our way were not playing"."Its my ball im not playing with you" I hate half the game modes we have to play but play anyway for the sake of the competiton. You guys were involved in the first 2 league I believe so there must have been something that drew you to it. Whatever dampner occured.. it occured before I joined the forums and I have no place to comment. I can comment on a post that undermines my friends and my own efforts. Id have thought the forums most succesfull gangs would have a greater influence in making something like this work. Im reaching for the stars here?. In closing im not starting any wars here or being mean. I felt a bit of unjust in seeing some friends efforts dissmised in a manner that I thought was unfair. Some these guys enjoyed the league "flawed" or not i dont want them to lose the enjoyment because of opinion. So I offered a counter opinion to try and raise some enthusiasm. Enjoy your gaming m8 we have no ill between us

Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games. I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?

No, its about competition. In a league, fairness has to be taken seriously. We (in the AoD) play GTA atleast once a week anyway so why would we join a league just to play some random games. It's a waste of time. We're not joining a flawed league because we've got other options. By the way, we did come up with a better way to run it in the past, but we got ignored, which is one of the main reasons we boycotted the event.

Undoubtedly fairness has to be taken seriously otherwise whats the point. Your not joining the league to play random games your joining the league to play againt the other gangs on the forum. Whats the point of having them if we dont play each other? Maybe the penny is just not dropping for me but I thought we were all like minded individuals who wanted to find some games and yes some competiton for the game we love. Ok I realise at this point in time the game is dated and a bigger fish awaits us in few months time. My point was the dismissive attitude that toke had towards the people involved. I was invloved.. i planned some days around playing in GL and so did some of my friends so that makes us sad because were not giving it the old "if we dont get our way were not playing"."Its my ball im not playing with you" I hate half the game modes we have to play but play anyway for the sake of the competiton. You guys were involved in the first 2 league I believe so there must have been something that drew you to it. Whatever dampner occured.. it occured before I joined the forums and I have no place to comment. I can comment on a post that undermines my friends and my own efforts. Id have thought the forums most succesfull gangs would have a greater influence in making something like this work. Im reaching for the stars here?. In closing im not starting any wars here or being mean. I felt a bit of unjust in seeing some friends efforts dissmised in a manner that I thought was unfair. Some these guys enjoyed the league "flawed" or not i dont want them to lose the enjoyment because of opinion. So I offered a counter opinion to try and raise some enthusiasm. Enjoy your gaming m8 we have no ill between us

I don't like to disregard peoples efforts and I know how hard it is to create something successful on these forums and keep enthusiastic about it, especially when people are ridiculing you. But like I said, we tried in the past to contribute towards making the league better and didn't have any luck cooperating with Andy. I'd love to be able to play some competitive games with other gangs on the forums but I don't think most of the the other gangs share that desire unfortunately.

When GTA V is released and interest from a wider audience returns, the 360 side will make a separate league.

Commissioner Monk

Your point about mods is bang on and I agree.I dont however see any input on how to improve such a competition in your argument.Didn't realize that was a requirement That being said my members tried multiple times to put in their input with little or no change, so forgive us if we've more or less thrown up our hands and said "f*ck it".

All ive seen is an easy and lazy condemning opinion highlighting the fact that your respective gang is not involvedActually it was easy and lazy condemnation that was merely a side note to the fact that I was pleased that we were not automatically placed within the League as has been the case before.

We are not in it therefore its not good kind of attitude with no mention of ideas for improvement. As said before, input and ideas for improvement have been brought forward to no avail, you can attempt to rape the dead horse if you wish but that's one road we at the AoD are not willling to drop trou for.

Well join it then and make it better instead of typing posts designed to mock those who are still willing to try and make it work.If you can't/wont institute change designed to help this event flourish and prosper instead of stagnating then why bother?

I thought I was the one that took it too seriously but it appears not.And how in any way does my short opinionated post in ANY way indicate that I of ALL people take this sh*t too seriosuly? PLEASE tell me.

]Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games.Do you even play gta these days? Not sure how widespread mods are on PS3 but on xbox they're EVERYWHERE, I mean sh*t have you looked over the xbox gangs lately? Kids openly admit to having them and using them freely. In that environment you cannot have have a healthy competitive atmosphere.

I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?And we need a gang league with broken rules and a unwillingness to change them to do that? Ya no thanks.

The only invisible opponents around here are....."the absence of the gang sections most successful gangs"I think you need to reread the rules and the results of last years Leauge to see that this event is broken, to not see it is idiocy on a whole new level. We and D12 saw and continue to see this thus we no longer wish to participate.

How can the newer growing gangs better themselfs if the established gangs wont even get some players together and give them a match?Most new gangs (360 anyway) include a modder and at LEAST one turbo user. While the turbo can be overcome easilly enough the mods give such a unfair advantage that its not even worth playing. I honestly envy you PS3 lads because from what your implying you don't have to deal with these things at all, oh how fortunate you are.

Everyone likes a shot to topple the top dog but the elitist attitude of " the gang sections most successful gangs" deprives many interested parties that opertunityDoes it? You would think it would make newer members and gangs even more wanting of competition, but instead this event has seen record lows in attendance, wonder why that is.

Ok we give you guys your credit. You`ve been around a long time and have many members but how exactly is success defined on these forums?By a) my quality members who have had to prove themselves both on forums on off, b) our talented officers who have created pretty much the best first post that 90% of the gangs in the gang section now copy in one form or another. My lads are quality boys whom for the most part I trust totally and thus far in my four years I have yet to be betrayed or anything of the like by any of them unlike most other gangs. So ya do forgive me if I take some pride in my gang, they've earned it.

If gangs are unwilling to play each other then "gta forums success" must be the gangs who post a lot but dont play.That might be true if we wern't still active on gta iv mp but we are. Granted were not on it 24/7 but to say that we don't play is fallacy and based upon nothing but wisps of hot air.

If that`s the brand of success around here then I dont want to be successfulI don't think you have anything to worry about in that department.

Thats the problem on the forums most people want to talk about GTA my friends and I we want to play itHave fun with that. You must stick to private games quite a bit. Either that or you've been blessed with never seeing a modder in action. If you had your opinion might be a tad different.

You must have some interest in or you would not have taken the time to post so I offer this to you and the others who boycott it ...come up with a better way to run it we can then compare it against Andy G`s formula and pick the best way forward.... thats progress.... that`s success....ROLL OUT!!!!Of course I have interest but not in event which has PROVEN to be broken. And since we have no real info on V we have to wait to see what comes of it and if this event can stand the test of time.

Sorry if any of that seemed mean or unwarranted but your post was very condescending so it would only go to figure I might respond in kind. After all I'm best known as being a complete asshole, why not live up to the hype?

That`s a hell of post Toke. Much more than someone who does not take it seriously would post so Im correct in that sense.Most people who did not give a sh*t would not have set about to dissect my entire post with the care and thought that you have. Excellent form m8 However leaving any form of idea for improvement was not required but neither was the post to thank the topic owner and get your dig in which prompted my response in the first place. It would appear that your problem has been reveled as your choice of console and for that I have sympathy.I actually gave a 360 away for free so that`s my opinion of said console but not its owners. Corruption on the 360 was not in my chain of thought when I was defending My friends and I`s inclusion in GL league. To be accused of empty wins and playing against invisible opponents (must have been one of the mods you mentioned) was a bit thoughtless considering your ability to hold out a good argument as we seen in your post. The passion in which you have responded to me tells me we have similar mind set for our own opinions and like you say we are proud of our people. Now your part about me not having to worry about being successful was a personal attack that I kindly avoided in my original post so i would ask for the same courtesy in our debate here. I don`t have to prove myself to anyone and Im not getting into the blowing of my own trumpet business but Im as successful as Im going to be at the moment. There`s wealth of people on the forums and online that can vouch for me so that is a pointless venture. I feel a bit of embarrassment that I have to point out to you that your quality members and talented officers are actually part of a video game clan. Im not so sure I would use that terminology anywhere else but I`m also an enthusiast for gaming and I know what you mean Toke . It a cracking set up you have one to be sought after. If your men are like you then its team of winners I must say.In fact im sure booze once added me on psn but I dont think he plays it.Now without banging on and on as were already pushing our luck with how much two guy`s the wrong side of 30 a should be debating about a video game. All I am and all I was looking for was bit class from the big dogs of the forums when discussing my gangs forum affairs. If you comments were originally meant for the x box side of the GL then I have to hold my hand and offer my apologies. I would have to agree with you that if that`s the sort of tomfoolery you have to put with in xbox live than id have to jump ship to the free and much less effected PSN. Its a heartbreak m8 because of all the cool people that you have on your friends list it is difficult to pull away from.

Im not to far from being put in the "dickhead" bracket myself Toke I know what you mean, we have a mind we like to speak it. I throw in the odd bit of ego to see if someone will challenge and it never goes down well maybe we are failed lawyers or something. Id like to extend a hand of friendship then and I would buy you a cold one if I could. Your business does not conflict with mine . If you do manage to find your way on to PSN It`s Madmonk420 and lets hope R*`s sort out the plague of technological terrors that threaten our beloved past time. For what its worth ive actually enjoyed the discussion. I wish you and AOD well and Myself and TDMC lads will do our best to bring some success to your gangs namesake in the TLAD event

AndyGanteks

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@Rofl and the rest of the gangs, The calendar & the everything will be up very soon in about 5-6 days, just need to hear from 3 more gangs, then the signup is done so we can proceed as always.

Anyway, the small update, on PS3, i've added the ZKS aka Zombie Kill Squad. Welcome to the GL . However, like i stated before, please register all your members on GTAF and have them active, otherwise you'll only be able to compete in matches with your current registered GTAF players, from what i see that's only ZKS_COMMANDER, ZKS_Lieutenant, and ddog1450. Please do that so you can compete properly!

Another thing i may or may not have forgotten to mention in the posts earlier. Once V is out, we'll be back to the minimum of 3v3 for the gang matches, like i said it sometime early in 2012 first. 2v2 is still allowed because of the newer gangs still coming to forums and establishing on forums(eg ZKS) and inactivity, but once V is out in spring, we'll all be active(right?), so 3v3 will be minimum then, and for the GTAF Gang League 2014 and onwards.

The rules for cheating are very very clear, and Rofl50 the adviser/overseer/etc of the 360 side has ensured me he will make sure all goes correct and without any mods/turbos/cheats/etc in the GL matches these (so far signed up) gangs play. And like i said, record the match if you are suspecting that you'll be cheated. Then post it here, and all the gangs taking part in the GL can easily determine whether there was foul play in that match. But; I'm sure everything will be fine on all the sections like last year.

Also like last year, gangs not taking part cannot post in this topic, so i'm going to ask once only and nicely not to post here anymore those few of you not taking part, and Monk & the rest please do not mention the gangs not taking part either so they don't have a reason to come here and spam. In short - you're not taking part - you got no business here. Anyone disobeying that and spamming the thread after this post, i'll report to moderators and up, and then you might get warned/banned or have your topic locked for some time. Thank you.

Many more updates and upgrades coming up, soon as i hear from the last few gangs and get the sign up process completed.

Dont get me wrong I like things to run smoothly and in a fair and controlled manner also but I also like to actually play a few games. I thought that was the whole point... To get people together and organize games?

No, its about competition. In a league, fairness has to be taken seriously. We (in the AoD) play GTA atleast once a week anyway so why would we join a league just to play some random games. It's a waste of time. We're not joining a flawed league because we've got other options. By the way, we did come up with a better way to run it in the past, but we got ignored, which is one of the main reasons we boycotted the event.

Undoubtedly fairness has to be taken seriously otherwise whats the point. Your not joining the league to play random games your joining the league to play againt the other gangs on the forum. Whats the point of having them if we dont play each other? Maybe the penny is just not dropping for me but I thought we were all like minded individuals who wanted to find some games and yes some competiton for the game we love. Ok I realise at this point in time the game is dated and a bigger fish awaits us in few months time. My point was the dismissive attitude that toke had towards the people involved. I was invloved.. i planned some days around playing in GL and so did some of my friends so that makes us sad because were not giving it the old "if we dont get our way were not playing"."Its my ball im not playing with you" I hate half the game modes we have to play but play anyway for the sake of the competiton. You guys were involved in the first 2 league I believe so there must have been something that drew you to it. Whatever dampner occured.. it occured before I joined the forums and I have no place to comment. I can comment on a post that undermines my friends and my own efforts. Id have thought the forums most succesfull gangs would have a greater influence in making something like this work. Im reaching for the stars here?. In closing im not starting any wars here or being mean. I felt a bit of unjust in seeing some friends efforts dissmised in a manner that I thought was unfair. Some these guys enjoyed the league "flawed" or not i dont want them to lose the enjoyment because of opinion. So I offered a counter opinion to try and raise some enthusiasm. Enjoy your gaming m8 we have no ill between us

I don't like to disregard peoples efforts and I know how hard it is to create something successful on these forums and keep enthusiastic about it, especially when people are ridiculing you. But like I said, we tried in the past to contribute towards making the league better and didn't have any luck cooperating with Andy. I'd love to be able to play some competitive games with other gangs on the forums but I don't think most of the the other gangs share that desire unfortunately.

When GTA V is released and interest from a wider audience returns, the 360 side will make a separate league.

Have fun anyway.

Yes m8. Same to you... enjoy :

Andy sorry for the spam there will be no more from me other than if I can think of any improvements that might be worth a look ok m8

Thought as much. You wouldn't want any new applicants being deterred from my blasphemous comments would you Andy.

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I find it hilarious although pathetic that you cant even stick up for yourself and have resorted to getting moderators to delete my posts. I'm not really that surprised to be honest, it's not a discussion, it's just a showcase of your utter incompetence and lack of social skills. Fool. You're not immune to criticism. The world doesn't work like that. Don't try to hide it like a coward.

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edit: I might make this post my new signature actually Andy. That would look nice wouldn't it .

A J

It's hard to believe that there hasn't been a separate Xbox event for Gang vs Gang competition on the forum except this (has there?)

Andy as much as I respect the work you put in, I don't agree with your approach of....'post here, I'll report you'...I recall last year before 2012. Booze T made a lot of sensible suggestions amongst other people, to what extent you decided to adapt these, it was obviously not enough to encourage AoD to give this another chance. This time around I've suggested running the league separate between IV and V, I've seen no response in regards to this directly, so I can only assume you don't like this idea, so you're not going to change it.How do the others feel about IV and V combined in the same event? Shouldn't V get a whole fresh start?

I personally don't think the running and ruling of any event should be co-ordinated by the one person, particularly not when they have self interests in it, surely it makes sense if events involving everyone try to give equal say to everyone involved. Last year despite SRS not being active throughout the year, you kept them in the PC league, that was stupid to say the least, wasn't much different on the Xbox league either. I know it's no fault of your own that these gangs have signed up or failed to sign out, but surely to god you've got the integrity to remove them? or do victories by forfeit mean something?

What does it take to get an officially recognised, and neutrally organised gang vs gang competition on here? Are the forum staff that idle or ignorant of multiplayer that they're happy to do nothing, change nothing and improve nothing here, yet GTA increasingly becomes more focused on multiplayer.

Anyways why don't we work together rather than against on this forum, put your differences aside, leave your silly insults to the game itself and come up with a Gang VS Gang event we'd all be happy to be involved with. I know I tried to do something different with GANG WARS...even asked AoD members to help do it with a shared account...even tried signing every gang up without asking.....even altered the initial settings to please those 'elite gangs' ....look how far I got !!!!

Maybe I was too late, IV 5 years later aint the same, and it's nearly unplayable from what I hear about Xbox, that's a shame and a pity. I wish good luck with the separate Xbox League when V comes out, and also for the modders to stay off it too. Wishful thinking perhaps!

Anyways perhaps there needs to be a separate topic for discussing this within the event section, a topic were all together a format, structure and general idea of something we could all accept as one big official GTAF -V- Gang League? Obviously as more details emerge, we could slowly work together to shape it perfectly, no more stubborn hosts, no more forfeits, no more 'you need to play the game by this date'....no more 2vs2's. (4 vs 4 min.)

Anyways rant over, if you managed to read to this point, well done

PS. The Damned will represent AoD the best we can in THE LOST vs THE ANGELS of DEATH !