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Dragonball Z plays perfectly to the little boy who wants to grow up and be strong. If you don't fit that category or watch it too late in life, you won't get it. If you did catch it during the golden viewing period, you'll probably look back fondly on it for years to come. That's my story, anyways. DBZ (along with some other stuff like World's Strongest Man) actually motivated me to become a competitive powerlifter. There's nothing like it; the fights are so over the top epic with characters being punched through mountains, the world is fantastical yet simple enough for a young kid to understand, and no matter how crazy strong the heroes get they always have to train their asses off to get there, giving the illusion that maybe you too can someday be a superhuman if you try hard enough. And despite the many flaws when one is looking for a well written narrative, I do truly believe Dragonball had a very unique and creative world behind it.

It does a lot wrong, but I always thought of DBZ as intending to be a gratifying show to watch.

So Muv-Luv Alternative - Total Eclipse is drawing to a close on my end, and it can't end soon enough. Normally I do a great job of picking anime that I can enjoy watching, and for all my criticism I have to give I usually still find enjoyment in what I've seen.

I think Muv-Luv is terrible. There are two enormous reasons why I think this.

The first reason is how cliche it is. I made a list in the cliche topic, and it's about half of what's actually there. In 25 episodes Muv-Luv has not only a beach episode, but a camping/hotspring episode. It literally feels like they collected as many cliches for its associated genre, and whatever else they could fit in. I mean that wholeheartedly. It's not like Hot Fuzz either, where its cliches are there to be exploited for comedy. They're serious, and they're seriously bad. I'm absolutely trying to ignore them all, and to try and embrace the good in this series, but it's like the plot took a nosedive into a tar [cliche] pit.

Secondly, where the hell did the plot go? The beginning of the series is so, so promising. I really liked the first two episodes and how they introduced the overall story. I liked that they were going for a Blue Gender sort of story mixed with a bit of FMP and such. I liked that it had gore, and that it was militaristic and that they had all these dark themes. Did I mention beaches and camping trips/hotsprings? Yeah... The planet is being invaded by seemingly non-intelligent lifeforms called BETA that, and I kid you not, EAT HUMANS. The first two episodes show the BETA actually EATING HUMANS. So how did we get to beaches and hotsprings? After the first two episodes the writers decided: "You know what? Nobody cares about alien invasions." The alien invasion angle is merely a footnote as to why the male MC (who is also the death of this series, as the female MC in the first two episodes is far more interesting) is a test pilot. That's it. I don't think I have anything left to say here. All I see here is waste. I wont spoil the last few episodes, but it gets infinitely worse. Also episode 20 is a synopsis episode, you know, just in case you missed what happened in the last 17 episodes of main story.

I've seen it mentioned that people want another season of this. Apparently a lot of people liked it.

My regret at this moment is that I have two episodes left.

To be fully honest I agree with you. The number of episodes worth seeing in that show number about 6. The two first ones, the ones set in Russia, and then the last two. And even then they are good and not great.

So Muv-Luv Alternative - Total Eclipse is drawing to a close on my end, and it can't end soon enough. Normally I do a great job of picking anime that I can enjoy watching, and for all my criticism I have to give I usually still find enjoyment in what I've seen.

I think Muv-Luv is terrible. There are two enormous reasons why I think this.

The first reason is how cliche it is. I made a list in the cliche topic, and it's about half of what's actually there. In 25 episodes Muv-Luv has not only a beach episode, but a camping/hotspring episode. It literally feels like they collected as many cliches for its associated genre, and whatever else they could fit in. I mean that wholeheartedly. It's not like Hot Fuzz either, where its cliches are there to be exploited for comedy. They're serious, and they're seriously bad. I'm absolutely trying to ignore them all, and to try and embrace the good in this series, but it's like the plot took a nosedive into a tar [cliche] pit.

Secondly, where the hell did the plot go? The beginning of the series is so, so promising. I really liked the first two episodes and how they introduced the overall story. I liked that they were going for a Blue Gender sort of story mixed with a bit of FMP and such. I liked that it had gore, and that it was militaristic and that they had all these dark themes. Did I mention beaches and camping trips/hotsprings? Yeah... The planet is being invaded by seemingly non-intelligent lifeforms called BETA that, and I kid you not, EAT HUMANS. The first two episodes show the BETA actually EATING HUMANS. So how did we get to beaches and hotsprings? After the first two episodes the writers decided: "You know what? Nobody cares about alien invasions." The alien invasion angle is merely a footnote as to why the male MC (who is also the death of this series, as the female MC in the first two episodes is far more interesting) is a test pilot. That's it. I don't think I have anything left to say here. All I see here is waste. I wont spoil the last few episodes, but it gets infinitely worse. Also episode 20 is a synopsis episode, you know, just in case you missed what happened in the last 17 episodes of main story.

Please don't refer to Total Eclipse as "Muv-Luv". It is only a spinoff of the Muv-Luv visual novel, which makes up the original story. The characters and plot are completely different despite them sharing the same world.

I can't guarantee you'd like the VN, though. It has a lot of cliches too, but I didn't find them as egregiously bad as the cliches in Total Eclipse. And the first part is mostly comedy, so it works somewhat as a parody. Well, if you liked freaking Code Geass, cliches alone shouldn't be a problem.

I agree with you, though: Total Eclipse is plain awful. And I don't know where you've been hanging around, but the community I usually go to only enjoyed it in an ironic fashion, with few people genuinely liking the show.

Please don't refer to Total Eclipse as "Muv-Luv". It is only a spinoff of the Muv-Luv visual novel, which makes up the original story. The characters and plot are completely different despite them sharing the same world.

My first reference was to the anime by name. All subsequent references of "Muv-Luv" are thus the same unless stated otherwise

I've never been able to get into One Piece too much because of the huge amount of volumes it has (I think about 70) and the fact it will get a lot longer (probably 100). I was going to get into it when I heard about Ace's Execution arc but then the series returned to its typical story arcs. I don't hate it, I'm just indifferent.

Dragonball Z plays perfectly to the little boy who wants to grow up and be strong.

I can understand that but you don't need twenty episodes to show every attack a hero throws at the villain and vice-versa in a single fight.

That's my biggest complaint with the series. Not even Sailormoon's fights were ridiculously that long. Usagi could kill one monster per episode and if it was a Big Bad, they normally took care of it in at the very longest, three episodes!

This is also why I strongly prefer Bleach or Yu Yu Hakusho over DBZ.
KILL THE GUY. GET IT OVER WITH.
It doesn't take them twenty-plus episodes to do that!

Lucky Star irl, then she bumped her head and hallucinates. In that dream, the manga chapter 1 starts where her haters Kagami, twin sister and the beautiful otaku hater Miyuki who spits on her, all love her and are her friends.

So Total Eclipse ended exactly like Highschool of the Dead — an interesting premise destroyed by scenes that should not fit in the premise. The worst part here is that the sales of Total Eclipse probably became the basis for a full-blown Muv-Luv series.

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I don't mind the normal fans... it's the other fans I'm pointing too.... the very speculative, delusional ones who makes stuffs though it doesn't exist....

You meant the followers of the Church of Madoka?

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I don't mind the normal fans... it's the other fans I'm pointing too.... the very speculative, delusional ones who makes stuffs though it doesn't exist....

You meant the followers of the Church of Madoka?

As someone who's a fan of Madoka Magica, I thought the fanbase wasn't that obnoxious. This is not until I started browsing 4chan that I realized that the fanbase not only want more darkness each time a new Gen show is announced (I really noticed that once I started watching Psycho-Pass), I also learned how delusionnal the yuri shippers were though I don't mind any gay stuff (in-series or not) as long it looks good and well-told. This is also why I avoid most Vividred Operation threads even though I enjoyed the show itself.

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She isn't. "Pantyhead Homura" is probably my most disliked meme in all of the anime fandom. Anime memes often involve some fan interpretation, but at least they're usually based on some actual scene or moment from the show. By contrast, Pantyhead Homura is a total, 100% fabrication (I honestly wonder what spawned this meme).

Please don't judge Madoka Magica on the basis of its memes. And know that not all Madoka Magica fans are the same when it comes to them.

That's why I try to stay away from fandoms, they tend to ruin show/character for me before I actually watch it or see them

Though Madoka fandom is not so bad and every anime has its set of dumb/pervy images. Makes me wonder who in the right mind would look at them or better who in the right mind would actually draw them to begin with.

Pervy Homura is over done but you can't deny the fact that Madoka is VERY important to her and that she would do anything.
Silly memes like that usually have a base and that's it.

Unless it's meant to be a joke, OOC fanart is quite a pet peeve of mine.

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Pervy Homura is over done but you can't deny the fact that Madoka is VERY important to her and that she would do anything.

I do honestly believe she *loves* Madoka (as more than a friend)....but would be too shy and too noble to do ANYTHING pervy to her.
It's a much purer love than what most fanart depicts. It's a shame they feel the need to tarnish such a nice thing! Joking is one thing...but taking it too far...I feel that's disrespectful to the character...if that makes sense.

I know if someone took my characters and drew them doing outrageous things, I'd get pretty mad...