Herewith a semi-polished draft of what I have submitted to Black Belt for their September issue on our subsystem of "Kali Tudo (tm)".

It is probably far longer than what they will actually print.

I may have a couple of days to make amendments, so comments and suggestions will be appreciated.

Woof,Guro Crafty

PS: Note that on the Front Page of the site that there is now a teaser clip for our Kali Tudo (tm) double DVD. Pre-release orders now being taken. Actual release date July 15 or sooner.====================================

Kali Tudo 5.1

ONE

Those motivated principally by young male ritual fighting will always be a large percentage of the martial arts world. A very large percentage of them will cease to train as they achieve whatever competitive level that they will and face the prospect of decline.

In contrast, Dog Brothers Martial Arts (DBMA) has as its mission ?To Walk as a Warrior for All Your Days?. In our vision, The Path of the Warrior is a path Of Life, and it is For Life. As such, it must embrace all facets of Aggression -- not only young male ritual hierarchical fighting.

As such DBMA seeks to prepare for the un-ruled and unruly world wherein 360 awareness and unequal and unexpected situations are the criteria. This means that tools, tactics and techniques (?the Three Ts?) that exceed the inherent limitations of hierarchical fighting will be used?which of course presents the perennial question of how to prepare the Three Ts. The hierarchical competitor knows his Three Ts because he uses them on a resisting opponent, but ?secret techniques? and ?too deadly techniques? tend to be an untested techniques?at least as far as the individual being taught them is concerned!

So, what are we who seek to prepare ourselves for the full panoply of Aggression to do? Is there a way to test these skills in the Cage? Indeed, do we have something to offer today?s MMA competitor?

I believe that we can accept the challenge to bring a modified version of Kali Silat to the Cage that will enable us to test ourselves and our ?Three Ts? in a way that allows us to deepen our non-sportive fighting skills. And I believe that today?s MMA competitor, even though he lacks substantial portions of our skill sets, can incorporate some of what we do to his substantial benefit.

TWO

Most of us are familiar with many stories of embarrassing and/or sad endings for those who felt that their approach to fighting was ?too deadly? for martial sport. Some of these were seen in the early days of the BJJ triggered UFC revolution. In the context and crucible of the octagonal cage the theories, techniques, training and performance of many martial arts systems and styles were found lacking.

This has led however to the UFC and similar events such as Pride being considered by many as THE legitimate laboratory for what works in unarmed combat. People of this persuasion tend to respect only combat sports systems such as BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, Sombo, Greco-Roman, and Wrestling-- the blend of which we may call ?Generic Mixed Martial Arts?.

Those who claim their technique is ?too deadly? for this form of fighting are seen as self-deluded fools who, unwilling to train hard with resisting training partners and hostile opponents, are probably afraid to put themselves to the test? often with good reason. As I once heard one person of this school of thought say, ?If someone tries plucking my eyeball out I?ll neck crank his butt into a wheel chair.? One can often hear something to the effect of ?I can do that biting, eye plucking stuff too, and my delivery system (i.e. my physical animal and its skills) are superior to yours.?

THREE

Let?s take a look at this thought process a bit further.

From the beginning of the UFC there have been rules-- and the list has expanded considerably since then, so it is clear there are some techniques that are ?too much?. The following list may not be complete, but if I remember correctly from when I was a judge at UFC 10, the original rules prohibited biting, gouging, eye attacks, small joint locks (toes, fingers) and fishhooks. Since then the list has expanded, and depending on the event typically the prohibited techniques will be some or all of the following: groin strikes, head butts, elbows, elbows to the head, kicks to a man on the ground, kicks to the head of a man on the ground, kicks to the legs of a man on the ground, knees, knees to the head of a man on the ground, strikes to the spine, etc and so forth.

Why is it that these techniques are ?too much?? Although it may seem intuitively obvious (analogous to Supreme Court Justice Potter?s infamous definition of pornography ?I know it when I see it.?) upon reflection, is this really an sufficient criterion? Not really. I think we can be more precise than this.

Aggression has different purposes. A large percentage of those in martial arts are young males looking to compete in ritual hierarchical contests. No surprise here-- in the continuum of a human male?s life-- that is what young males tend to do. (Females compete too, but in general their behavior in this regard is different.)

Social groups are hierarchical groups?contrast ?the anonymous horde? of a school of minnows. Social groups (e.g. a pack of wolves) consist of animals that band together for mutual benefit. To the extent that hierarchical contests damage the loser, the pack/tribe/etc becomes weakened?thus it makes perfect sense that hierarchical contests have rules and limitations.

FOUR

So where does this leave those of us who have purposes outside of and beyond hierarchical competition?what we in Dog Brothers Martial Arts call ?To Walk as a Warrior for all your days?? We seek to defend our land, women and children?not to engage in fair fights. Thus, precisely what is ?too much? for cage fighting is exactly what interests us!

We need to think about this with clarity because again and again we have seen many who say their techniques are ?too deadly? fail when confronted with a young well-trained cage fighter who, unlike the ?too deadly? practitioner, has experienced using his techniques in the adrenal state upon a resisting opponent.

FIVE

Before moving on in this discussion, we also need to note that this point can be overstated. We need to remember that we have seen reflexes honed in the adrenal state of combat sport, disastrously manifest in the adrenal state outside of the ritual space. This is sometimes forgotten.

These disastrous manifestations may appear in unorganized (as versus ritual) male hierarchical fights: open guard makes much more sense when one is wearing a cup on the mat or in the cage than in the parking lot outside the night club where someone can vigorously step on your genitals. Releasing a triangle choke can get your femoral artery or genitals bitten. A takedown to side control for ground-and-pound may mean that your attacker can hold on to you long enough for his friends to arrive.

Cage reflexes can also manifest in matters of judgment. For example there is the recent case of a kickboxing champion in CA whose car was sideswiped in front of his gym by a hit-and-run driver. Understandably angry at the misdeed and confident in his superiority, he ran out of his gym while in his MT shorts and chased down the fleeing car and caught up with it at a red light at the corner-- whereupon he was promptly shot and killed by the driver-- who was a thief who had stolen the car.

Yet with all that said, it seems to me that we have still danced around the underlying question presented.

In my humble opinion we of the Kali Silat persuasion need to have a facet to our Art that accepts that challenge of the cage while doing so in a way that furthers our purposes as warriors on a lifelong path as well as generating success in young male hierarchical fights. If the ?delivery platform? we test and hone in the crucible of the cage is consistent with the idioms of movement, the tactics, the tools and the training for weaponry, then we are ahead of the game in a subtle and powerful way when it comes to ?walking as a warrior for all our days.?

The meaning of the name is a pun/rhyme on the Brazilian Portuguese term ?Vale Tudo? which is usually translated as ?Anything goes.? If we look at the Latin roots of the Vale Tudo we may recognize that the English words of common ancestry are ?Valid Total?.

In the Portuguese pronunciation of ?Vale? the ?e? is pronounced like ?e? in ?hey? whereas the in the American pronunciation it is pronounced like the ?ee? in ?seek?.In the American pronunciation of ?Kali?, the ?i? is also pronounced like the ?ee? in ?seek?. Thus the rhyme is created between the American pronunciation of Vale Tudo and our sub-system ?Kali Tudo ??.

Kali Tudo does not seek to replace what is in the cage right now. The fighters of today are outstanding and what they do is not to be dismissed lightly. I would note in passing though that much more than is commonly appreciated, much of what is in the cage right now has strong southeast Asian influence. Muay Thai is but a ring sport branch from the tree of the Thai military weaponry system of Krabi Krabong which comes to us in DBMA through the teachings of Guro Inosanto and Ajarn Arlan ?Salty Dog? Sanford.

The contribution of the Filipino Art of Panantukan to boxing is quite substantial. Indeed some believe that the shift from the palm up structure of the John L. Sullivan era to the palm down and evasive head movements of the modern era date to the interaction of the US soldiers and the Filipino people in the aftermath of our suppression of the Filipino independence movement after the Spanish-American War of 1898. This is a matter for another day. Those interested may peruse the many points of view in

The principal systems upon which we draw are Inosanto Blend Kali and other FMA systems, Inosanto Maphilindo Silat and other Silats, Krabi Krabong, Burmese Bando, and Machado Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. We also draw upon what we see currently happening in the cage.

Those familiar with this list of influences will note that with the exception of the Machado BJJ, all fall within the concept of the Majapahit Empire as described by Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje of Pekiti Tirsia and Guro Inosanto.

What are the distinctive features of our approach?

1) Even as we seek success in the Cage, we seek to minimize the installation of behaviors unsuitable for 360 degrees. We seek to maximize skills, tactics, tools and techniques suitable for the 360 degrees of the street.2) Following the Kali principal of zoning away from the rear hand, we pay particular attention to fighting in striking range to unmatched lead. (This can apply to clinch range as well.) Thus in order to be able to fight both right lead and left lead fighters, we pay considerable attention to bilateralism. This serves us well in 360 degree situations as well due to the battlefield tactical options thus enabled.3) This matter of bilateralism enables, indeed calls for, triangular footwork. When a fighter?s skill set is indifferent to which side is forward he may freely shift between the two and this more than doubles the number of triangles possible (Triangles that maintain right lead, triangles that maintain left lead, and triangles that change leads) In our system these skills are developed during our approach to Siniwali (double stick) training.4) Striking skills ARE based upon our approach to weaponry?both siniwali and knife. Punching is only one of several striking modalities. Trapping most certainly is part of the mix. At the simplest level this means at two (and occasionally three) hits per shift of body weight in contrast to the one hit per shift of body weight of boxing. Furthermore, the nature of these strikes makes them more usable during clinch and ground game?often to surprisingly instantaneous results.5) The integration of these strikes with bilateral triangular footwork, developed during our approach to weaponry, yields an approach quite different to what is currently seen. Indeed, it can often look quite freaky. It is applied in principally in four ways ways. In addition to the already mentioned clinch and ground ranges, this approach has considerable merit in maintaining a fight in striking range. In the cage this can force an opponent to overextend himself in his efforts to close the distance. In the street, the art and science of keeping someone from entangling you can be a matter of life and death. The remaining category is in aggressive attacks that are both triangular and crashing at the same time. .6) It is precisely the present absence of triangular striking crash combinations in cagefighting today that explains the current difficulties in applying Kali Silat in the closer ranges. Conversely, its presence enables it. Kali Silat works.7) Young male hierarchical competition is a secondary motivation?although in my humble opinion we have plenty to offer a young MMA fighter, even one without Kali Silat skills. That said, our principal motivation is to install real time, real world skills in the adrenal state that will prepare us to ?Walk as a Warrior for all our Days?. Our subsystem of Kali Tudo ? is but a step in that process.

EIGHT

Kali Silat does require some training methods distinct from those of generic MMA. Currently many people deride this training as ?dead patterns?. This can be, and often is, true when the training stops at this point in the process.

But just how does one train a Silat takedown that calls for ripping the medial miniscus of the knee safely upon a resisting opponent?

IMHO part of the answer lays in what Guro Inosanto calls "cooperative quarter lever" technical training wherein the correct leverage is identified but applied only a little bit in order to facilitate the development of the understanding of the application AND DANGERS of Kali Silat. Part of the answer lies in BJJ/submission type training. And part of the answer lies in working with training partners who have done both quarter lever training BJJ/submission type training.

In other words, both need to have an understanding of the risks/consequences of Silat techniques, a sense of what uncooperative people feel like, AND the ability to roll and/or strike at partial intensity without accelerating-- as the Machado Brothers say, ?leaving one?s ego at the door.?

Not only is this type of training highly effective in installing these dangerous skills for real time application, it also is relatively safe and quite fun.The same process described here for learning and training Silat leverage also applies to Kali Silat striking.

This conception of training methodology is essential to manifest Kali Silat in the cage.

NINE

Why have we not seen Kali and Silat in cagefighting/NHB/MMA?

My answer is that we have not seen it yet, but we will?very soon. I will go further and predict that it will change the fighting-- as have other systems that have come before it.

When I was a flag carrying fighter for the Dog Brothers twice a year at time and place certain I was available to all comers and put my ideas to the test. I did this until I was 48 years old. I am now 52 and am past the age when I can plausibly step into the Cage.

Still I test myself and these ideas in sparring at Rico Chiapparelli?s R1 Gym, a world class MMA facility. I thank the fine fighters there for matching my diminished level of physicality so that I may continue to play and research. In addition to Rico, I thank Frank Trigg and Vladymir Matyushenko for their help.

The three men I have worked most in our ?Kali Tudo? are Chris Gizzi, DBMA Lakan Guro ?Dog? Jeff Brown, and DBMA Guro Benjamin ?Lonely Dog? Rittiner. Although in my opinion Chris (who you see in the photos in this article) has the physical gifts and the understanding of this material to take it all the way, Chris has decided to stay with his roots in football (he was a standout linebacker for the Green Bay Packers) and now trains pro football players and other elite athletes as well as mere mortals.

Jeff, in addition to being a Lakan Guro in DBMA is also highly ranked in Silat under Herman Suwanda (with considerable training in Indonesia) and in Silat and Kali under Guro Inosanto, in Bando under GM Gyi, and others. He competes in Bando kickboxing and BJJ. I think Jeff expresses Kali Tudo very well

So too does DBMA Guro Lonely Dog. Rico has graciously complemented him on his quality participation in hard sparring at R1 using this material.

These three men can be seen with me in our double disc DVD of ?Kali Tudo ?? which principally covers the portion of the subsystem dedicated to triangular crashing striking combinations.

TEN

Allow me to flesh out my prediction that Kali Silat will alter the course of Cagefighting.

My thinking in this regard began with my experience in Dog Brothers Real Contact Stickfighting when I started BJJ with the Machado Brothers in the summer of 1990 and others in our tribe began shortly thereafter. At that time (Pre UFC) most of the martial arts world was blissfully unaware of the realities of grappling in the context of fighting, particularly so in the mostly FMA world of ?Dog Brothers Real Contact Stickfighting?. )

In most of the Filipino Arts in America the received wisdom was, and is, that in the presence of the skilled use of weapons (either impact or cutting) grappling was pretty much a non-issue. Yet in the context of our fighting, we found otherwise. It is true that in many of our fights grappling range was created due to the increased survivability of head shots due to the fencing masks we use, but in my considered opinion we developed many fighters capable of consistently closing to grappling without taking any shots to the head and in the naivete of that era even moderate blue belt level skills produced results that were nearly magical. This is not surprising. Our opponents at that time were unfamiliar with the structure and its dynamics that we were using?just as I believe will happen as we begin to apply Kali Silat in the cage.

This is not a rare dynamic. We have seen this pattern of new and unfamiliar structures changing the fighting repeatedly in the UFC too.

In the beginning, those who entered the event prepared only by training and fighting focused on various forms of striking tested by ritual hierarchical contests with rules designed to isolate striking tended to do quite poorly. They were unfamiliar with the structures of grappling and their dynamics.

Naturally in response to these experiences people did not stand still! Most everyone learned the basics of BJJ?and sought weak links in its structures to exploit with the strong links of other structures.

For example some people looked to shootfighting and Sambo for their leg locks to counter BJJ?s guard game and it was the turn of some BJJ fighters to be surprised as their knees, ankles, and feet were locked.

Another example would be that in the beginning of the BJJ revolution against non-grappling strikers, BJJ fighters could create almost any sort of tangled mess to drag the fight to the ground and then win it there. But then wrestlers such as Greco-Roman man Randy Couture came on the scene?and the BJJ people lacked the skills to bring such men down. Often the result was that either or both looked to use Muay Thai type skills in the clinch?even though fighters trained exclusively in Muay Thai had not fared well previously.

Although those trained solely in BJJ often could not bring down the wrestlers, the wrestlers often could bring down the BJJ fighters into highly unfavorable positions for a ?ground and pound? game that made good use of the grapplers? good base and balance.

Trained by boxing trainer Eddie Stanky, Vitor Belfort brought in sport boxing to excellent effect. Even though most of his early wins were with boxing hands, I think it fair to say that his foundational skills in BJJ Vale Tudo and the attendant understanding of range gave him an understanding of how to use boxing in the context of cagefighting.

Yet then we saw Randy Couture?s ?dirty boxing? (something the Filipino art of Panantukan has taken to a very high level) neutralize Belfort?s sport boxing.

In short, in the Cage we have seen new structures and dynamics come in with dominating results again and again. In a similar manner we have seen again and again that over time there will be responses that neutralize and/or counter these structures and dynamics. Advantage is transitory. Indeed as I write, the current UFC Champ Chuck Liddell won his belt with boxing strikes over superb grappler and great champion Randy Couture. How the wheel has turned from the early UFC!

ELEVEN

Closing on a more personal note, recently I showed a rough edit of our Kali Tudo DVDs to Top Dog for his thoughts on it. One of the things he said to me was ?This almost feels like you are letting out a secret.?

I do confess to sharing his feeling in this regard.

So why do I do it?

I must confess what provoked me into starting my journey into KT was a bit like the plot line of many a Chop Socky movie: ?You can?t say that about our teacher!? The attacks by some on his teachings concerning sticks??dead patterns!? they said, I felt were well answered by the performance of the Dog Brothers?no teacher has produced more, either directly or through his students such as me.

?But what of the FMA claim that the unarmed motions are just like armed motions?? these people persisted.

This question I acknowledged did not have the answer (YET!) that the weaponry question did.

As I thought about it, it certainly made no sense to ask someone to use the weaponry motions while unarmed if they couldn?t use the weaponry motions when armed! Thus, it seemed to me that I was, despite my modest physical gifts, due to my training in the Art and my 140 or so Dog Brothers stickfights, in a position to step forward to respond to this challenge.

And so I have. It is the Dog Brother way, the Tao of the Dog if you will, to search for Truth.

Awareness of and through movement is essential in anyfighting situation. "Kali Tudo" is an interestingperspective on real fighting that I have seen appliedin hard training sessions and combat.

Marc's intstructions are clear and educational, thatalong with the various live, training and technicalvideo shots, make the DVD quite entertaining.

Expression of truth comes in many forms, all forms arefluent.

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Frank Trigg (noted UFC and Pride competitor)

It is amazing to see a master of his expertise always trying to increase educational curve by trying to learn new things on a daily basis. His fighting tactics, although unconventional and unorthodox to the untrained eye, are deeply rooted in the true spirit of the warrior. We dig having him at the R1 Gym.

The material on unmatched leads in his Kali Tudo ? DVDs alone is worth the price of admission. My last five opponents were southpaws and I sure wish I knew then what I learned in these DVDs! Even though I am not a Kali guy, I found many things of great applicability to my MMA game. Also, Marc is a gas to train with!--------------------

Rik "Captain America" Stardy Jr.Head Instructor of the RealJitsu AcademyHead of Security for The Rave and Eagles BallroomMilwaukee WI

"I have 23 years of martial arts experience (including being an apprentice instructor under Rorion Gracie), I've done different types of competitions and worked on and off for 13 years in nightclub security. So I have plenty of real life fighting experience under my belt and feel that I know what I'm Talking about. I have studied under some "world renowned" instructors often walking away thinking 1. I have just wasted time and money 2. I could have bitch slapped that guy to death. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE WITH GURO DENNY!!!!!!!! I just recently spent $XXXX to study with him for the weekend AND IT WAS WORTH IT!!! If you are interested in studying a reality/weapons based art, my first, second and third recommendation would be Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny. The synergy of his teaching is the fact that he is not only a great martial artist and fighter but also a gifted and patient instructor. I was also pleasantly suprised at how very functional his Kali Tudo is. I will be a life long student of Guro Denny's.

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Robert W. YoungEditor Black Belt Magazine

Marc ?Crafty Dog? Denny is the epitome of the martial arts ideal. He appreciates the hard work of the past masters, yet isn?t blinded by devotion. Instead he always seeks to test what he has learned from the past in the crucible of today?s full contact arena. It is the way the evolution of the martial arts was meant to be.=====================

I want to take a moment to HIGHLY recommend Guro Crafty's Kali Tudo DVDs. They 'bridge the gap' between stickfighting and empty hands, between theory and reality, and between Mixed Martial Arts and the Southeast Asian weapon arts. Kali Tudo will make life a lot easier for you and a lot harder for your sparring partners!

I had a thought about the material. I think a part of why it is so hard to show Kali / Silat in a sports context is because people haven't done it for real in a long time.

People who have been in a lot of street fights will go for the groin, the eyes, and so on very quickly.

Let me back up, a problem that our military had in the first world war was that only 10% or so of the troups were actually firing their weapons in the direction of the enemy. Most people really don't want to hurt anyone. It takes a special kind of human being to blow another man away. The military has done a lot of research on how to teach someone to actually kill.

Same thing with fighting. I know I am inclined to only go so far. My whole life, as soon as I have had an advantage I've backed off, letting the other person think better of fighting me. Its always worked out. So despite the large number of hours I have spent learning kali / silat, I would be much more inclined to punch and kick and choke than actually rip out an eye or a piece of genitalia.

I guess my point is that you would see more kali / silat funtioning in the fighting style of people who have a killer instinct brought about by hard times, and that is a difficult thing to train. The sport arts have an easy time because they can train full contact all the time and everyone comes away ok in the end. The people who practice war arts feel they can only take their training so far, and in that way they don't take their training far enough. They aren't used to the full intensity a human can deliver and so they falter when they have the killing moment. Someone with a proper killer instinct would have carried through and killed.

You can gain something like a killer instinct through training, but I'm not sure it is ever as good as the real thing. Can anyone be as good at boxing as a boxer? Can anyone be as good at Silat as someone that has been in a number of knife fights or life and death situations?

There is a meditative aspect of martial arts that has been overlooked for a long time. In Bushido, they say that a man should meditate on death every day, and always keep it in mind. He should imagine himself drowning, burning up in a fire, being shot to death, and having his head cut off. By doing that, the warrior's actions in a fight can happen spontainiously, without thought of victory or defeat.

In addition, a warrior's worth couldn't be known easily in times of peace because there wern't any battles to test him in. They would say they knew the best warrior by watching which warriors conducted themselves with the most care in their daily lives. They had to perform each small task as if it was of great importance. If you can't trust someone to small things, can you trust him with great things?

I guess my basic point is that kali is best for people with a killer instinct. If someone doesn't have it, then they must work very hard to develope one, however you go about doing that. They must push themselves hard to expand their threshold of pain. A person's training in the war arts must be very serious, as if you were really about to fight for your country. Your knuckles and wrist should be strong enough to punch, your grip tight enough to stab, the ball of your toe strong enough to kick, your breath deep enough to last, your understanding of death, wisdom, awareness, instinct, and all the other mental atributes must be conditioned as well.

In the sport arts you can make a goal and follow through with that goal. With war arts, I think it is better to not have a goal, to simply push yourself, and carry on as far as is needed, if that makes any sense.

I recommend Bushido to anyone learning Kali / Silat, because I don't think that most of us go as far as we need to...

That's all why I love the Dog Brother's so much, because they have so much real experiance from the Gatherings and through that, can be without illusions.

Peace,John

Logged

When my opponent expands, I contract. When my opponent contracts, I expand, and when there is an opportunity, I do not hit, the hit comes... all by itself. - Bruce Lee

This article is outstanding. Kali empty hand has always fascinated me. It is simple and yet very destructive. The part in the article about the Filipino Insurrection rekindled a bug I've had for awhile. As a history minor and school teacher it is hard to find textbooks or other literature that even addresses this topic, even here in Hawaii where there is a large Filipino population. I guess nobody wants to talk/write about Filipinos fighting Americans. Can anyone suggest any websites or reading I can do on combat in the Filipino Insurection? I have already asked for the set from my wife for my first fathers day.I look forward to practicing the techniques thoroughly.thanks again Crafty.tom

The article is the answer to many questions I've been meaning to ask, like

[*]Why haven't we seen FMA in the MMA arenas?[*]How would FMA empty hand techniques/systems (like buno, dumog, panantukan etc.) fare against other systems in a cage/ring?[*]How would it effect that the rules would deny most effective techniques (like biting, joint breaking, etc.)?[*]etc.[/list:u]I'm absolutely fascinated by the idea that we could actually see the answers to these questions in action.

I agree that the article is probably too long and detailed for BB, so it's great that we can read it here (and in the Eskrima Digest) in full length. Hopefully you'll put it online (with pictures) as well.

There's a Pinoy MMA forum I just recently found and haven't had too much time to browse through, but I think some of the questions could be posed in there as well, I think there must be some MMA people in the PI who have actually had some training in the FMA empty hand systems as well.

I am currently a Gracie BJJ purple belt and a beginning kali student. I emailed the Dog Brothers about the use of Kali in MMA. They refered me to this article. I think it is a great article and I look foward to seeing Kali stand up against Muay Thai and boxing in the cage. Most people doubt that Kali or any other striking art that is not MT or boxing will be able to hold their own. As far as the eye gouging, groin ripping stuff that you guys are talking about goes, well a good martal artist can control his techniques and should be able to distinguish between street skills and sport skills. I doubt that you can't defend yourself without using those few techniques. In BJJ we have techniques that are not used in competition but are very street effective. I hope to see more of the Kali Tudo being performed in the cage and the ring. I will also try to intergrate Kali into my game.

I believe open guard (with or without a cup) has some very real applications for the street- possibly even more so than closed guard. However, I believe it must be used much more aggressively than is seen by many BJJ players.

My opinion is that the multiple hits per shift of body weight will usually lose out to the single hit concept as seen in boxing or MT. I will be interested to see how it actually plays out.

While I agree with the validity of using the foot work to force the opponent to overextend or to keep him from engaging, I can see it leading to stalling-related penalties in the MMA realm.

I definitely like the idea of the triangulation/crashing to close into the clinch/takedown range. Question: Do you feel that this could also be applied to the wrestling/submission grappling competitive arena?

Another question: Can we expect to see Trigg using any of this stuff in future fights?

I?m looking forward to hearing more of your work in this area and to see it?s application in the realm of MMA competitions.

Tail wags for the kind words. Coming from you, they mean something to me.

For those of you who don't know, when ID is not fighting at a DB Gathering he is often to be found in local cagefighting events which he usually wins. I went up into LA one night to watch him fight and was impressed. One easily forgets that he was doing this in his mid 40s.

"Some personal opinions as I was reading through:

"I believe open guard (with or without a cup) has some very real applications for the street- possibly even more so than closed guard. However, I believe it must be used much more aggressively than is seen by many BJJ players."

The higher the level of the guard, the more I agree. Story: When I was part of a group that Rigan Machado took down to Rio in 1992, I had a private lesson with Renzo Gracie. At first he was giving me a typical lesson for a visiting student, but I managed (respectfully!) to steer things to the question of open guard for the street. He gladly obliged-- and promptly chased me around the room with his open guard. He showed me the kicks from this position-- one of which he was soon to use to drop Oleg Taktaorv.

Also, a bit of trivia, I gave him Paul Vunak's "Headbutt, Elbow and Knees" video. He liked it and used it in a subsequent Vale Tudo fight in Brazil. I have amateur footage of the fight, including him warming up his boxing hands on the focus mitts before the fight-- nice, loosy goosey quality to it.

But I digress , , , If the other man is standing, as was the case in my lesson with Renzo, this can be a very risky range for the standing man. But when he is inside of the thrusting kicks, I think the calculus changes-- especially when the open guard is installed with cup/MMA reflexes.

"My opinion is that the multiple hits per shift of body weight will usually lose out to the single hit concept as seen in boxing or MT. I will be interested to see how it actually plays out."

Here we have different thoughts. This is where I have some of my best success in sparring.

"While I agree with the validity of using the foot work to force the opponent to overextend or to keep him from engaging, I can see it leading to stalling-related penalties in the MMA realm."

I appreciate your point, but 1) most MMA fighters are pretty aggressive and are impatient to engage 2) there most certainly are ways of initiating.

"I definitely like the idea of the triangulation/crashing to close into the clinch/takedown range. Question: Do you feel that this could also be applied to the wrestling/submission grappling competitive arena?"

In the absence of striking I think it is much harder. For example, good double leg TDs already have two of the three angles of silat, but in the absence of striking I do not see how to get the third angle.

"Another question: Can we expect to see Trigg using any of this stuff in future fights?"

Frank is busy getting ready for his upcoming UFC fight and only got around to watching the pre-release copy I gave him a couple of days ago. There was a twinkle in his eye as he said "Not bad, Marc Denny, not bad at all." I took this as a genuine compliment I doublt with a fight coming up so soon (especially with this opponent!) he will look to integrate new and freaky material into his game right now. After, who knows?

"I?m looking forward to hearing more of your work in this area and to see it?s application in the realm of MMA competitions. "

Thank you. It is a lot of fun doing the research. Also I am noticing some feedback in my stickfighting. Although I am "retired", I still engage in active sparring with my students to help them get ready.

When I was fighting, from '95 forward, except for my three staff fights with you, I was all double stick. Now I find myself returning to single stick with my KT ideas informing my footwork and my live hand-- I'm scoring some pretty nice shots with it now, whereas before it tended to simply serve as part of muffling things as a step to stickgrappling, which was always a range where I felt confident.

While I'm not arguing the foot work or the spirit of the thing, I have concerns about some of the kali hand work.

I can't imagine hubad ever being effective against a boxer. A one / two combination is too fast for a flower parry. Even if you use footwork to buy enough time to do the flower parry, your counter will be countered by a single step from the boxer.

So my question is, when your opponent is a great puncher, when do you use hubad?

Peace,John

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When my opponent expands, I contract. When my opponent contracts, I expand, and when there is an opportunity, I do not hit, the hit comes... all by itself. - Bruce Lee

John, Might I recommend Inosanto's Dumog tape in his Definitive Series? Higot Hubud Lubud translates to tie, untie and blend and is not limited to only one drill. Erik Paulson and Guro Dan do a great drill showing the usage of hubud at empty hand range ( trapping range, clench, etc). After seeing the drills anyone can accept the importance of hubud. I have seen it in just about every fight I have ever watched, including boxing that enters empty hand range.

I've seen Kali Tudo about 100 times and I think it's awesome! The Dog Brothers have really gone the extra mile with the Kali Tudo DVD and I think it will be a very long time before anybody even comes close to matching the sheer depth and quality of the techniques and theory presented in Kali Tudo.

In addition to the 90+ minutes of instructional material, The Dog Brothers have also included an indepth interview with Crafty and Top Dog, a real street fight from Mexico with knives and clubs that reminded me that the street is truly different than the cage, and a classic boxing match with Ceferino Garcia (ex middle weight champ who created the famed Bolo Punch that was later used by Kid Gavilan and Ali)

One of my favorite sections from the Kali Tudo DVD is 'Triggonometry'. Triggonometry is basically a footwork structure that you will learn once you see the dvd. I have been using Triggonometry in Fight Night 2005 for the PS2 Online and I'm absolutely destroying people left and right with the opportunities created by Triggonometry.

Now...if there was only a way you could do the Zirconia in the game...then I'd be the online champ!

Hello DBMA, I wanted to give bit of public commentary on the KaliTudo videos.

Let me start with a brief bit of background...I've spent a good part of my life learning and practicing Chinese martial arts, but also have some experience in other MA's. In the few years I've been stepping things up and testing my skills competetively as best I can juggling career and family, etc...

In that process, I've had some successes as well as many frustrating moments.To that end, I've stepped back and taken a hard look at the material I've learned in order to find out what really makes it work. This process has been one of unlearning, and re-learning based on the feedback of training for and fighting against other trained fighters. This is what drew me to the KaliTudo videos. I saw the "teaser" clip where Guro Denny says "But what if the guy has a good jab?". Man did that ever hit home! It's one of the things that I've asked myself after much trial and error.

The answer I came up with was footwork. After watching the KaliTudo videos, it was apparent that what I was working on held many similarities with what Guro Denny has been developing. The difference, and real value for me in purchasing the KaliTudo videos is the extensive explanation of the footwork, stratgies, and most importantly training methods detailing in them. Essentially, Guro Denny has done one hell of a lot of field research and basically "spilled the beans" on things that are present in many traditional martial arts, but unfortunately not widely understood or capitalized on. I really got a lot from these videos, and have been able to take the concepts of what he shows, and then apply them to my own system...without departing from or changing what it is. This is the real beauty here, the concepts along with detailed training advice.

It's very frustrating knowing that every time i get my hands on a Dog Bros instructional vid i end up changing most of my training!

Kali Tudo arrived this morning and i've been watching it all day long, i'm watching it for the third time as i post this reply.

Ever since i saw the Kali Tudo demo vid i've been trying out stuff and reviewing the Combining Stick and Footwork vid trying to figure out empty hand applications for the filippino footwork and looking into neutral stance and shifting between left and right lead etc. I have trained with the triangles before but not like this...

Anyway, this DVD kicks ass! It's got down more than enough material covering rhythm, basic triangular footwork patterns, strategies on application and many potential techniques that come out of this footwork. Everything is clearly demonstrated, especially the drum techniques in the end by Guro Crafty...

I feel that it's being underestimated by referring too much to NHB events, Kali Tudo is about empty hand application of triangular footwork period!

The extras were a lot of fun. The conversation between Crafty Dog and Top Dog was interesting.

Another sweet DVD by the Dog Bros as far as i am concerned, waiting for Los Triques and the Staff material to be available.

Jeff "the Angry Dwarf" Brown, who was prominently featured in KT was in town this week for Guro Inosanto's Instructor camp and we paired up for the training. As always an awe inspiring experience with Guro I.

Jeff told me he was ready to fight in King of the Cage and we knew that the next one is sometime in December. So we called Surf Dog who is a regular judge there as well as a teacher/trainer of fighters there -- of course he doesn't judge his own students though! Anyway, SD said that the date is Friday December 2-- which is the weekend that Jeff is hosting Guro Inosanto at his school in Dayton OH so Jeff's appearance in KOTC will have to wait until the March show.

Dear Mr. Marc Denny,I wanted to congratulate you for your excellent Kali Tudo tape, I am watching it over and over again. Thanks a lot for sharing your secrets, in my humble opinion alone the information on the unmatched lead is a gold mine and I think it applies to a lot of different types of training. I successfully use it in my Greco-Roman handfighting , together with a shoulder push I often can disrupt the balance of my sparring partner to get in for a hold on him.Having also an extensive background on Wing Chun, I especially liked your interview and your answers in defense of the so-called dead patterns. I liked that footwork you added to the asking hand. I'd like also to ask you a question: on the location where your tape were shot I've seen a lot of wooden dummys,I was just curious whether you are using them for your weaponless training, as I am a big fan of that training tool,because it fills in if I am lacking training partners. Thanks a lot , I am looking forward to the second part: Kali Tudo on the ground.

Just to be perfectly clear, no inference that RF got the idea/technique from my DVD -- indeed the very name given to the technique makes clear that it was already in the gene pool of MMA. Still, its nice to see such a clear example.

Just to be perfectly clear, no inference that RF got the idea/technique from my DVD -- indeed the very name given to the technique makes clear that it was already in the gene pool of MMA. Still, its nice to see such a clear example.

The KaliTudo material was what I refer to as a "moment of affirmation" in regards to my own training. I have spent many years now studying Hung Ga "kung fu", first from a very traditional approach and then evolving into what I consider a more functional approach.

It's been a process of elimation and delving deeper into the concepts, and now the strategies of what makes Hung Ga work, rather than relying on tons of forms, advice from non-fighters, and (as with any martial art) tons of stupid poilitics.

This journey culminated with my first participation in a Kuoshu event last May. Kuoshu is full contact, very light protective wear, Chinese martial arts based fighting that includes pretty much all hand techniques, knees, elbows, throws and takedowns. It's traditionally done on a raised platform with no ropes or rails so that you can knock your opponent's out of the ring

Until last May I had been mostly succesful in sparring against people from a variety of styles such as Kenpo, Kick Boxing, Karate, other Kung Fu (Wing Chun), etc... But, that was sparring. I'm short (5'4"), but thick and fairly well built(205-210lbs), and I see now that much of my success was due to my low center of gravity and simply being able to overpower many people. In Kuoshu, I recieved a rather interesting "wake up", when I fought other trained fighters who were both taller and heavier than I am as I was in the heaviest weight division. I did ok, but for every time I scored, I was hit, kicked, or otherwise beaten upon. I'm 35 now, and I simply can't take the punishment I could 10 years ago. It was rather disheartening for me.

After the event, for a few weeks I was in a funk. I thought I was a much better fighter than that. My record of success in sparring didn't make sense. I questioned my training, my ability, and my system.

I did the best I could to break the funk, and went back to the drawing board. I'd been toying with some things for several years, but hadn't had that complete breakthrough where it literally sunk in, until recently. Just before your KaliTudo videos where released, I saw the light and focused on my footwork...the footwork I'd known all along but didn't truly understand. That, and how the footwork related to strategies that sadly I have been discussing with others within my system for years, but once again never fully understood.

So I started drilling the footwork patterns of Hung Ga both solo and with partners, with the emphasis on a generic fighting style opponent. The patterns at first were what I call: Angle step, Triangle step, Circle step, and Lateral Cat step. Those where the base. The emphasis was on moving around my opponent, creating angles, drawing attacks, and taking advantage of weakness in their footwork while maintaining a structurally superior position. This lead to the next step of combining the "bridge hands" or basic hand work of Hung Ga with the footwork, which oddly enough made the material in the old forms I'd practiced for years make complete sense!

My initial results were encouraging. I sparred with some of the guys I'd fought Kuoshu against, and it was a whole different experience. They were confused, left open, and I got hit much less often. When I hit them, it had an even better efficacy than before because they were not able to defend as well, and the angles worked against thier structure.

Then I ordered and promptly (Thank You!) received your KaliTudo videos. Seeing your work, I found myself nodding my head, agreeing with what your were saying, and noting the similarities to what I'd been working on. The main difference was that your stuff was clearly WAY ahead of where I was at the time. However, it really helped to clarify, and solidify the ideas I 'd been working on, and took it much further. I'll tell you, that metronome training method is absoltely fantastic, and though we do it slightly different, it's now a core part of my students' and my own training regime. The strategies presented, and I particularly liked the Frank Trigg stuff, were extremely helpful. I found myself asking "how does Hung Ga address that?". A few months later, my footwork and strategies are now much further expanded, and I'm excited about fighting in my next competition, next May.

Again, my approach is oriented to my system. However, the way your videos present things, the concepts and strategies are easily extracted and fit into Hung Ga. I started taking Judo with my son recently, so I look forward to part 2 if it deals with things on the ground. I've always felt very comfortable looking at other systems and trying to see the concepts and mechanics that were effective. I've gotten a lot from this, and now encourage my friends in a wide variety of martial arts to purchase the KaliTudo vids. the trouble is, that (and especially within my own style) I run into many "hard heads" who would rather train with blinders on than take a good look at other things and learn. Heck, I've had some guys tell me flat out that my stuff isn't Hung Ga anymore the way I'm describing it to them. But then again, they don't fight.

Sorry about the long e-mail. Time to take my dog for a romp in the park

Jeff Brown, a.k.a. "the angry dwarf", posted this on the public site and I thought I would bring it over for discussion here.

Woof,Guro Crafty

PS: The all caps thing is his doing.-----------------------------------------GREETINGS TO ALL! MY NAME IS JEFF BROWN AND I OWN AND OPERATE A SCHOOL IN DAYTON, OHIO. I WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO GURO CRAFTY AT ONE OF DR.GYI'S COMBAT CAMPS IN ANTHENS, OHIO.

AS A BIG FAN OF THE DOG BROTHERS ULTRA REAL COMBATIVE GATHERINGS AND THEIR APPROACH TO TRAINING I WAS EXCITED TO MAKE THE CONNECTION! AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION WE DISCOVED THAT WE SHARED MANY OF THE SAME TEACHERS(GURO INOSANTO, ARJAN CHAI, DR.GYI, MACHADO JUJITSU, PAK SUWANDA ETC..) SO, AFTER MEETING GURO CRAFTY IN PERSON I KNEW I HAD TO BEGIN TRAINING WITH HIM. I ATTENDED A SEMINAR AT RAW DOG'S IN NY. IT WAS AWESOME!! GURO CRAFTY'S ANALYSIS OF RANGE AND STUCTURE HAS TRULY CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE AND HAVE IMPROVED ALL THE COMBATIVE GAMES THAT I ACTIVELY COMPETE IN. GURO CRAFTY ALSO GIVES YOU THE DRILLS YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR TECHNIQUE WORK. I DISCUSSED MY EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN PENCAK SILAT MANDE MUDA (10+YEARS ,3 trips to indonesia) WITH GURO CRAFTY. I ALSO MENTIONED THAT I COMPETE IN MUAY THAI/LETHAWAY14W/4L, BOXING,STICK FIGHTING AND BRAZILIAN JUJITSU. SO OFF TO SUNNY CALIFORNIA FOR GURO INOSANTO'S INSTRUCTORS CAMP AND PRIVATE LESSONS WITH GURO CRAFTY! AS WE TRAINED IN DBMA, GURU CRAFTY ASKED ME ABOUT MY STRUCTURE IN KICKBOXING MATCHES...HOW ABOUT USING SILAT/KALI FOR NHB??!! WHAT, USE FOOTWORK AND ANGLES, TRAPPING LEVERS, RANGE PRINCIPLES, SNAKEY HANDS ETC..THATS AWESOME!!!NHB=GRAPPLING/MUAY THAI, RIGHT?! MAYBE....CAN WE TRY SOMTHING NEW? SO WE WORKED ON SOME GREAT CONCEPTS FOR NHB, AND PUT ME ON ASSIGNMENT,"USE SILAT/KALI STRUCTURE IN YOUR NEXT FULL CONTACT MATCH BANDO NATIONALS! WHAT A FANTASIC PLAN!

MY MATCH WAS THE ONE OF THE MAIN EVENTS AGAINSTMY NEMISIS (THE ONLY GUY TO BEAT ME IN FULL CONTACT STAND-UP) HE HAS VERY GOOD BOXING SKILLS, STONG KICKS AND VERY TIGHT MOVMENT AND DEFENSE. HE ALSO HAS ABOUT 15LBS ON ME AND ABOUT6 '1(6 INCHES TALLER)ALL OUR MATCHES HAVE BEEN HIGHLY CONTESTED,VERY TEC BRAWLS, WITH HIM WINNING SPLIT DECSIONS. SO I WAS EXCITED TO TRY MY NEW TACTICS! THE FIGHT STARTED WELL FOR ME, HOWEVER TO TRULY UTILIZE SILAT FOOTWORK PATTERNS I WILL START MY NEXT FIGHT A LITTLE FUTHER OUT,THE LEAD CHANGE PROVED EFFECTIVE FOR LANDING KICKS AT DIFFERENT ANGLES AND MY HAND MOVMENT PROVED EFFECTIVE FOR ATTACKING BLOCKS AND ANGULAR BLITZ WITH THE HANDS. TRAPPING WAS WORKING FOR ME, AND I SEE NOW THAT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN I JUST CAN'T WALK IN AGINST A SKILLED BOXER AND USE IT, I HAVE TO USE DECEPTION AND FOOTWORK TO MAKE MY CHIMANDE,SILAT/KALI TRAPPING WORK. YOU MUST CREATE THE CORRECT ANGLES,THROUGH FOOTWORK, WHICH ARE THE SAME FOR FOR WEAPON APPLICATIONS, BUT,TIGHTER LINES THAT REFLECT THE ABSENCE OF A WEAPON. I LOVE HARIMU, HOWEVER,I FOUND THAT IT IS BEST APPLIED IN CLOSE QUARTERS TO COLLAPSE YOUR OPPENTS BASE (AWESOME LOCKING AND IMPACT/WEP APPS FOR FOLLOW UP) AND/OR RECOVERY, WHEN I TRIED TO USE IT FROM LONG RANGE MY OPPENENT WAS ABLE TO COME OVER TOP BY SLIDING FOREWORD WITH A SHIN SHIELD AND A RIGHT CROSS, I DID RECOVER WELL AND TOOK HIM TO THE ROPES. I AM LEARNING HOW TO APPLY SILAT/KALI FOR NHB AND FULL CONTACT STAND-UP! AS THE FIGHT PROGRESSED AND MY ENERGY LEVELS STARTED TO DROP I STARTED TO REVERT INTO MY OLD, MORE TRADITIONAL STUCTURE (WHICH STILL WORKS GREAT) I LOST THE MATCH BY SPLIT DECISION, ALTHOUGH I FELT I WON..

REGARDLESS, I LEARNED THAT SILAT/KALI HAVE MANY WORKABLE TOOLS AND STRATAGIES FOR EMPTY HAND NHB/FULL CONTACT STAND UP AND I WILL CONTINUE TO EXPERIMENT AND APPLY SILAT, I WANT TO EXPRESS THE UTMOST RESPECT AND GRATITUDE TO GURO CRAFTY FOR INSPIRING ME TO USE AND EXPERIMENT WITH SILAT!THANK YOU,SIR, YOUR STUDENT JEFF BROWN

I recently recieved Kali Tudo, I have enjoyed it alot! I had just worked Trigg 101 for myself, along with a step to the outside into my game, yet had not gotten a strong enough understanding to pass them onto someone else.

The information and footwork is so similar to what I have been training (traditional karate) for years that it could be the same. Kali Tudo as with many of your teachings have taken it to the next level. The best way to explain it is that my footwork till now has been like driving, and knowing where you want to finish but not knowing the exact road to take just the direction you need to go. The footwork matrix that you have been teaching is like looking at a road map before you start driving. See it used in real time also makes a huge difference.

It has also saved me alot of mental strain in working out how to counter each.

The professionalism of your products keeps getting better with each release.

Trigg 101 and 102, are they named after the maths formulas, Triggonmentry or some thing else?

A Couple of other thoughts that came out of watching kali tudo:

On the origins of boxing, that it is was a line/scratch in the dirt and each person put one foot on the line and first to fall or move off the line lost. Which is where common phrases such as to step up to the line, put it all on the line and to scratch (eg. sprinter pulling out of a race) come from.

When you are standing toe to toe with some one bare knuckle it requires a different stance in regards to the hands for protection. Which is the reason for the palms facing towards your own face. This is a common defencive position even in modern boxing today, it can also be seen by those covering up while trapped on their back on the ground in the UFC.

Hey, I've got Kali Tudo also. But, I do know that Trigg 101 and 102 are named after MMA Fighter Frank Trigg who trains down at R1 where Crafty trains also. So it's stuff that he picked up from Frank Trigg.

I have four braddahs, fighting pure FMA in a Ring of Fire Tournament in Colorado this weekend for top promotor Sven Bean (ludwigs camp) I had referenced a few key Kali Tudo elements in prepping these guys, so I will keep ya posted! They have been training pretty hard against usoc grapplers, and boxers, so I have a great feeling that they will do well!

Mabuhay ang Suntukan at buno!

Thanks and keep up the good work guys!

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"Sometimes you gotta swallow blood before your pride, thats what seperates the strong from the weak"

First of all let me congratulate Guro Crafty on yet another excellent video.

Crafty, you are probably already familiar with what old time boxers refered to as "shifting". Essentialy changing leads while punching in combinations. This falls right in with the Trigg series.

Island Dogg we've been using FMA in submission grappling for a while now. For example we can set up single leg takedowns by stepping on our opponents foot. We've successfully used this strategy so many times its one of our staple moves. Another useful one is a move I believe Silat players call kenjit ( the one when you throw him over a horse stance). One of our fighters used it to follow up a failed single leg attempt. The setup was to step forward, disbalance him with the kenjit and jump on him into a mount. Tons of useful stuff when clinching. Arm wrenches and the over under two on one ( Lameco's siniguro) are great for setting up takedowns or even standing submissions.

Vtach try using hubud style passing to escape when you are cornered and covering. Drill this like a boxer stuck in a corner. If you are shedding well, slip out to either side using FMA foot work with hubud. In fact we often warm up with hubud and similar drills prior to contact drills or sparring and have found it very useful.

I must say that I am HIGHLY impressed by the Kali Tudo DVD (As well as the cycle drills dvd). I received it the day before I left to go to Florida with my girlfriend and friends, and obsessively watched both dvds for the next 6 days every chance I got. 2 of the guys with me became interested and we wound up doing a few drills together.

What impressed me most about the DVDs (other than the info) was the quality of editing. You can tell that great time and effort was put into it to make sure that what you wanted shown was shown well and in a manner worth paying 65 dollars for. And believe me, it's worth it. I can't wait till Kali Tudo on the Ground is available.

Quick question: What type of grappling gloves were you guys using for the video?

i've been using a couple of things from the kali tudo tape in sparring for the last couple of months, last night i was really able to make the diamond and false lead work awesomely with a few custom follow ups.

I was around at the begining of the development of the Kali Tudo material, and found it to be an extreamly effective group of techniques. I was going through the material around the same time I had my first 3 MMA fights and I used the Kali Tudo to my advantage in training against some of my UFC vet training partners. Simply put the techniques from this material work, even again guys who fight at the highest levels.

Aren't you on the video? If so, I'm impressed with your knowledge of FMA! You're one guy I want to meet, and see where you've taken your art since the video (2004 right?)

I posted in the members area that I'm fighting next weekend for the FCFF in Portland in my first amateur mma fights. I have some Kali Tudo in me. Most of my PFS buddies have noticed. Any suggestions about what to do? Hit me up with an e-mail!

Running parallel to the 'tippy-tap' drills, ....who can give an example of the application of "destructions" aka gunteen, elbow spikes, etc. that Guro Inosanto uses as entry material to Empty hand Kali, and his Maphilindo Silat?

Small story: Some years ago I was rolling with some young buck who was thrashing me and just wasn't getting my requests for a less hyper roll. After my serious knee injury of many years ago I lost most of my patience with people who are reckless with the health of my body so when he came flying hard past my guard (again ) I shielded with a silat spike. He impaled himself on it with his ribs and was rolling in pain. "Oh, I'm so sorry." He was done for the day and I didn't see him for several months. When he next came in I asked where he had been and he told me that he had cracked his rib that day. I expressed my regrets-- "What bad luck! You were passing me so hard that I just covered up like this" I said as I indicated a boxing like cover that really was a silat spike. Burt Richardson happened to be there that day and we exchanged a look wherein I confirmed what he suspected.

The Dracula move I show on the KT DVD I've done in active play on a man who was a lineman in the NFL for several years.

The split gunteengs don't work so well for me, but I certainly attack the limbs with considerable consistency in my play.

Im not sure if this is the right thread for this, if it isn't feel free to move it Guro.

Another kali-tudo technique that I have gotten to work on the street while working. The running dog.

While working opening day last tuesday we came to the end of the day (5 min from asking eveyone to leave, 5 min past last call.) And a pair of large guys both 6'5" or so and in what looked to be good shape. Decided that it was the right time to start acting up. I'll spare the details of the next ten min or so and just move right along to the end. Things end up getting physical. The bigger of the two is being restrained by the three othe guys on shift with me. Leaveing the second one to me. I push him through the door out side. This one had pegged me as the only threat to him from the get go (this was a first for me. they usually miss that and focus on someone else.) and we get outside and he grabs my wrists. nothing else just my wrists. I pull my hands down and start going for a double leg, and he does something else thats a first, pulls guard. I imediatly take him as a more serious threat, usually i deal with drunks with no idea of what to do when i put them the the pavement. I stack him up and execute a running dog. I turn imedately back to him and get knee on kidney until security from the other club come down.