The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

doglover:The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

More importantly, using punctuation in a headline is perfectly acceptable

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

Drop this argument. It isn't helping the cause.Many things come from plants that are illegal and should stay illegal.You aren't convincing anyone by saying "it's just a weed man".

Robin Hoodie:TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

exactly. it's one thing to argue that the people being prosecuted for possession are only criminal because of silly laws, but guys like this are generally just criminals

Legalizing weed won't stop people from robbing and murdering. It will make the growers less vulnerable targets. So maybe this crew would've had to murder a coke dealer instead. I'd say that's progress.

Used to be they just bashed the door in if you wouldn't answer. Now they're up to tearing the whole front wall off. Next they'll be using drone strikes to level the place. Farkin' police state facist pinko commies!

addy2:TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.

No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

Drop this argument. It isn't helping the cause.Many things come from plants that are illegal and should stay illegal.You aren't convincing anyone by saying "it's just a weed man".

I agree. He could at least use a better dangerous natural substance than a dandelion, like nightshade.

I also grow datura wrightii in my backyard. I have yet to convince anyone to smoke it though. Why doesn't anyone want anterograde amnesia?

Gyrfalcon:addy2: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.

No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.

Yes with a but:

I personally would be more productive if there were no alcohol. I look forward to a future of even lower weekend productivity when pot is legal. Well perhaps it can't get worse.

Smackledorfer:Gyrfalcon: addy2: TomD9938: doglover: The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed

This guy would have probably been a murderous thief even if weed were 100% legal.

The unfortunate truth. Illegal weed didn't make this dipshiat a murderer.

No no, I'm sure that if only pot was legal, this guy would never have been a brutal killer whose neighbors are cheering and applauding that the cops had to drag him away kicking and screaming because they're so glad he's out of their neighborhood. If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Just like in the flip side of the argument, if only weed didn't exist, all those pothead slackers would be model citizens with jobs and lives, instead of living in their moms' basements and eating Cheetohs all day long. Guess what: lazy slackers will always be lazy slackers, and murdering scumbags will always be murdering scumbags, regardless of the excuse they pin their personality disorders on.

Yes with a but:

I personally would be more productive if there were no alcohol. I look forward to a future of even lower weekend productivity when pot is legal. Well perhaps it can't get worse.

Sure it could, you could start drinking datura tea and forget everything you didn't do while drunk and stoned.

Gyrfalcon:If marijuana was legal, this guy would have grown up a perfect citizen with a job and a life.

Be realistic. If marijuana was legal, the 1% would have cornered the market, picked up a few thousand wage slaves and this guy would be robbing some other highly profitable illegal operation, like, I dunno, a human trafficking ring.

"YOU CHEER?? YOU SMILE?!!JACK, WHO GOT YOU THAT JOB WHEN YOU CAME BEGGING THAT YOUR FAMILY IS GOING HUNGRY?!AND YOU RICH, WHEN THOSE LOANSHARKS CAME AFTER YOU AFTER THE NICKS LOST, WHO LOANED YOU THOSE 500 BUCKS THAT YOU STILL HAVENT PAID BACK HALF?!!EVEN YOU LITTLE JOHNNY, WHO GAVE YOU THOSE 50 BUCKS WHEN YOU WANTED TO IMPRESS YOUR NEW GIRLFRIEND?!YOU CHEER NOW YOU UNGRATEFUL DOGS?!YOU THINK JAIL WILL HOLD ME, YOU THINK THEY HAVE ANY EVIDENCE ON ME?!I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO DO ANYTHING, I'LL JUST TAKE MY MONEY ELSEWHERE AND SEE HOW LONG THIS CRAP TOWN LASTS!!"

/let me know if you are looking for a screenwriter//kidding. You can't afford me///you ungrateful dogs

doglover:The murder, and subsequently this fiasco would be very easily avoidable if we'd just legalized weed back in the 60's.

Our entire society is falling apart around our ears because we spend so much time making an enemy of our own people and punishing them for nothing that a pot farm has enough value to invite armed robbery and subsequently murder.

Hemp is just a weed that happens to have some happy juice in. Dandelion is also a weed. If I grew a whole bunch of dandelions, though, I wouldn't make enough money to pay for a free lunch, let alone get robbed.

All they want is an easy buck. Where's easiest bucks to be had? The black market. Illegal businesses can't into banking.

If, and stop me if I'm going too fast here, you legalize vice; prostitution, drugs, gambling, alcohol; you invite regulation, taxation, and most importantly FINANCIAL SERVICES. When was the last time someone attacked a bee keeper? A farmer? A cheesemonger?

It doesn't happen. What you'll get is everyone keeping their cash in the bank. Credit and debit purchases. Plus good drugs would be legal at the lowest possible price point and with supervision. No one would attack the growers.

Also, don't forget, violent criminals are usually not setting out to be violent criminals. It's just that they're really poor at impulse control. If you just make crime a little bit less convenient, they'll choose law and order out of slothful indulgence. Lighting up black markets is the best way to do that. Look what happened to the alcohol business.

All they want is an easy buck. Where's easiest bucks to be had? The black market. Illegal businesses can't into banking.

If, and stop me if I'm going too fast here, you legalize vice; prostitution, drugs, gambling, alcohol; you invite regulation, taxation, and most importantly FINANCIAL SERVICES. When was the last time someone attacked a bee keeper? A farmer? A cheesemonger?

It doesn't happen. What you'll get is everyone keeping their cash in the bank. Credit and debit purchases. Plus good drugs would be legal at the lowest possible price point and with supervision. No one would attack the growers.

Also, don't forget, violent criminals are usually not setting out to be violent criminals. It's just that they're really poor at impulse control. If you just make crime a little bit less convenient, they'll choose law and order out of slothful indulgence. Lighting up black markets is the best way to do that. Look what happened to the alcohol business.

If everything is legal, then there would be no crime?

I don't know if you've run into many actual criminals; they don't choose crime because it's inconvenient or because they lack impulse control. Many are quite well controlled, and often work much harder at not working an honest job than any ordinary person ever worked at making a legal buck. If you ever watched a shoplifting team or a forgery ring, you would abandon the idea that they "just lack impulse control."

If everything was legal, people would still commit crimes of opportunity; they would still want the quick buck over the slow buck, the money today over the money tomorrow. There would still be people who'd want to take the gains someone else made either by force or by fraud. It doesn't matter if drugs/booze/sex/gambling/investment banking is legal or illegal. If money rained down from the heavens every morning, there would still be some who are just too lazy or too conniving to go pick the crap up themselves and would find a way to get someone else to do it for them.

Drugs are currently the easiest and most cost-effective way to do that; it used to be the spice trade or the slave trade; in some areas it's gold or information. But your idea that people will obey the law if its in their own self-interest to do it sadly overlooks the fact that some people are just vicious, violent or lazy, its in their nature, and always will be.

I don't know if you've run into many actual criminals; they don't choose crime because it's inconvenient or because they lack impulse control. Many are quite well controlled, and often work much harder at not working an honest job than any ordinary person ever worked at making a legal buck. If you ever watched a shoplifting team or a forgery ring, you would abandon the idea that they "just lack impulse control."

If everything was legal, people would still commit crimes of opportunity; they would still want the quick buck over the slow buck, the money today over the money tomorrow. There would still be people who'd want to take the gains someone else made either by force or by fraud. It doesn't matter if drugs/booze/sex/gambling/investment banking is legal or illegal. If money rained down from the heavens every morning, there would still be some who are just too lazy or too conniving to go pick the crap up themselves a ...

This. Too bad some people would rather blame anyone else with the same skin color or social class as the criminals for the crimes, because blaming the criminals themselves is too dangerous.

/violent ones will kill you, swindlers will hustle up a mob to defend them//so lets blame the lazy for being there and not fighting back///even though they'd be branded criminals themselves if they did