Russian President Vladimir Putin will offer to supply Iran S-300 air defence missile systems as well as build a second reactor at the Bushehr nuclear plant, the Kommersant business daily reported Wednesday.

Putin will renew an old offer to supply Iran with five of the sophisticated ground-to-air missile systems at a meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rowhani on Friday, Kommersant said, quoting a souce close to the Kremlin.

Putin is set to meet Rowhani at a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation held in Kyrgyzstan on Friday.

I’d imagine its that natural gas pipeline thru Syria expected to be completed in 2016. It all boils down to oil/gas/money in the end.

Regardless, this country has shipped billions/trillions of weapons to a multitude allies as Foreign Sales for our MIC...what is wrong with Russian doing the same thing trying to cement relationships and make some cash for its weapons builders?

Obama lasted approximately 30 seconds into round 1 before the Russian Bomber KOed him with a single, gentle punch to the chin. Obama went down like a sack of potatoes... Classic Russian strategy, a hole in the USA’s wall has been breached, now Putin is pouring in his forces in order to keep the feeble, confused West off balance and unable to stem the tide.

The Middle East is Putin's backyard now. Handed over with a whimper, no bangs.

No sir. It is realism. Russia is our former enemy, but it childish to think we, the United States, can act with impunity internationally like selling US arms, etc. and simultaneously expect that everyone should be against Russia, or China, or North Korea when THEY do it. Pragmatism is not apologism. The fact is that much of the entire free world are global arms sellers (Norway, Sweden, South Africa, Israel, France, Germany, Britain, are just a few), and Muslim countries have been their best customers.

You miss the point then. Selling advanced air defense weapons to a country run by crazy religous zealots who want to build a nuclear weapon and use it on Israel is like thinking selling whiskey to kids driving cars is smart. Your logic is that of the Liberal who cannot appreciate that sometimes America’s enemies really are wrong. Putin is against freedom in Russia and for arming America’s enemies abroad. Wake up.

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posted on 09/11/2013 4:29:57 AM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

No you miss the point. You forget our forays into these countries decades ago. Remember the CIA and all those Stinger Missiles they gave the Mujaheddin to shoot down Russian Helicopters.

You forget all the arms WE supplied Sadam, much of that came back to haunt us in the form of 105mm/155mm projectiles being used for IEDs

Or more recently where in Libya where after-Benghazi reports suggest the reason the CIA had such a large presence there was to redirect some of the weapons they'd supplied the rebels to Syria (hence the ambassador's presence there).

Your logic it seems is that it is okay to supply dangerous weapons to SOME Muslims, but it isn't okay just now because Putin is offering more of a defensive weapons system (S-300) to Syria. Finally, if you think that the rebels trying to overthrow the current Syrian government are any better than Iran, then you are misguided because if they manage to overthrow it, then all those chemicals and weapons system really WILL be directed at Israel.

The official Saudi policies are not anti-American. The official Iranians are and they use proxies to attack us and our allies. Many wealthy Saudi citizens do not support the position of their government. The citizens of Iran were, about 8 years ago, pro-American. Saudi is not building a bomb to hit Israel. It’s a big difference.

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posted on 09/11/2013 5:16:52 AM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

It took you three times to jig up enough excuses to call me a Putin excuser, again, and you still got it wrong. I don’t want the Muslims trying to overthrow Assad getting the S-300s, they aren’t the ones buying them. They’d be just as Iran is what I said, and I never ONCE said that I approved of Russian weapons sales to Iran.

As far as your ‘reactor’ thing, France, Germany, et al have at one time or another sold reactor parts to Muslim countries. What is different here? Did the article say they are ‘breeder’ reactors capable of producing fissionable material?

You hate Putin, okay I get it. I don’t like him either but right now he is the only adult on the international playing field with respect to our dear leader, and he has to be negotiated with from a perspective of respect that goes both ways. Obama cannot respect anything because it diminishes him.

My initial comment as I thought it was about my thinking the Putin offer had been extended to Syria and thus our discussion(s).

I realize now that the offer was to Iran, instead and I am embarrassed about having to get through this much back and forth to now realize that. My bad and my apologies for that.

Of any of the numerous countries I think should not gain advanced defensive weapons, Iran and North Korea are at the top of the list. To me, however, the legitimate government of Syria as it has existed before this incursion of foreign backed Muslim Brotherhood rebels is not anywhere near the top of that list. I believe our President is doing everything he can to topple any current Muslim country government that is not in control by Muslim Brotherhood factions and I believe that his objective is to completely surround Israel with Muslim fanatics that exist today.

When did Iran threaten to use a nuclear weapon on Israel? In fact when did Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? I know which speeches you are thinking of by ahmedinejad, but it is easy to research that our media and the globe edited and mistranslated his speeches for drama and sensationalism.
His first time he was quoted as saying this, he in fact said Zionism needs to be eliminated. (Zionism does not mean Israel as a nation, nor does it mean Jews) The media took this and ran with it as he threatens to wipe Israel off the map. He followed up his Zionism needs to be eliminated sentence with, “the best way to do this is democratically”.
I am not saying Iranian government are good, they are far from it. Our best ally Saudi Arabia, however are Nazis in comparison. At the very least Iran has churches and Christians and synagogues and Jewish people living there and represented in government. In Saudi Arabia you cant even vacation there if you are Christian, you cant own two bibles if you work there, and there are no churches and is illegal to build churches.
If we want to delve next into the fanatics backed by both regimes you only need to look at Hezbollah (backed by Iran) and Al Qaeda(backed by sunni extremists).

Here is a link of hezbollah’s leader talking against how al Qaeda jihadists target Shiite pilgrims, and bomb churches and target Christians for worshipping Christianity. Goes on to call their school of thought to be a new religion and a fabrication.
Compare this to Al Qaeda and the muslim brotherhood and their backers stance on Christians in the middle east. Look at Iraq, Egypt and Syria at how sunni groups target Christians and bomb them and kill them.

The sad thing about all this, is a terrorist like Hezbollah’s leader is quicker to defend middle eastern Christians against al Qaeda than our own president.

My whole point here was to show who our allies are and who Russia’s allies are. We sell advanced weapons to far more intolerant people than Russia does, and we are empowering the people who want to cleanse the region of a Christian presence making us just as guilty as al Qaeda.

Ah, you could read the article and see that it’s reported that Putin is going to sell advanced air defense weapons to Iran. Or you could spout diatribes about the idiot Obama. The article is not about Syria. You’ll know that if you’ll stop and think for a second.

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posted on 09/11/2013 11:26:40 AM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

How am I following Liberal logic? I’m against Putin and Obama. That’s as a committed, long term, principled Conservative and not a passing Putin fad. Putin is an autocrat who kills journalist in Russia, intimidates the Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine, and Georgia. You may think he’s a okay. I don’t. You can oppose Obama and not want to see Putin or Obama do long term harm to America.

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posted on 09/11/2013 11:30:52 AM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

Just because we do not like Communist wannabe Obama does not mean we stand behind and support Russia and Putin.

You cannot blame Putin for putting Russia first. You cannot blame Italians for waving the Italian flag. You cannot blame Mexicans for wanting to take back what they believe is theirs. You cannot blame the French for thinking France is the best nation on earth.

It's called nationalism. We Americans should try it sometime. Without it someone else takes control.

You have to remember a little farther back. Russia and Iran have been pretty well tied together at least since WW II. It was then that we (US) helped modernize the N/S railroad thru Iran to supply Russia thru the back door-—Aluminum, Studebaker trucks, etc. To this day that rail line is a major supply route for central Russia. The notion that the two aren’t going to get along well enough to keep the road open is a non-starter. As long as Iran can afford to pay, Putin will sell them weapons, typewriters, or whatever they need.

You say that as if they must sell them. The sales have been in abeyance for some time. That means Putin can control himself. He doesn’t have to sell the missiles. It’s not like Russia will die if it doesn’t sell the mad mullahs missiles. I know some think it’s his Christian duty to do so, but I don’t.

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posted on 09/11/2013 12:53:11 PM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

Agree. But we need to keep in mind that Barry’s foolishness and failures in foreign policy are much like his foolishness and failures in domestic policy. He’s bringing us down at home and abroad, and Putin is no good guy for arming Iran with advanced weapons. One side note, I believe Israels warning concerned Syria and not Iran, but I may be wrong.

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posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:20 PM PDT
by elhombrelibre
(Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)

The best SAMs in the world won’t do much against an enemy that would use stand-off weapons well out of range of air defense. And both the United States and Israel are experienced at knocking out air defense radar, thus rendering SAMs useless. But putting all of Syria’s defense eggs in the S-300 basket is Bashar’s only hope.

Maybe so but I would hardly expect a Russian to put the United States above Russia anymore than I would a Frenchman put the USA above France. That's OUR job and supporting the Obama agenda is not going to get that job done.

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