Note how easy it is to LOWER THE BAR under the tyranny of the bell-curve---and that despite the fact that many polls show how little support this ENTITLEMENT (renamed as a "right") actually has.

I'm flabbergasted when I hear fools tell me how GOVERNMENT is going to produce "savings" and "cut waste"--it'd be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Governments PRODUCENOTHING but deficits and burdens.

There is plenty of history for universal health care in other nations to learn from with regard to both strengths and weaknesses, costs and savings. Norway, for example has had universal health insurance since 1913.
The polls are pretty much evenly divided. Here's the latest one that came out today:
"A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows an uphill selling job ahead for President Obama and congressional Democrats to convince most Americans that the health care overhaul passed last week will help them and their families.

In the poll, 50% call passage of the bill "a bad thing" and 47% say it was "a good thing." That's at odds with the findings of a one-day USA TODAY Poll taken a week ago -- a day after the U.S. House approved the legislation -- in which a 49%-40% plurality called the bill "a good thing."

America's been pretty much of a 50-50 nation for quite a while now. Obama only got 53% of the vote.
If enough Americans really hate health care reform, they'll put the Republicans in office in November and they'll repeal the law or defund it even before it gets off the ground.

And you don't realise how rooted the Australian Healthcare system is, it is beyond maggoted. It's pathetic, a joke. Not to mention it gives the whole population, government and civilian, a hell of a lot of assorted problems

And you don't realise how rooted the Australian Healthcare system is, it is beyond maggoted. It's pathetic, a joke. Not to mention it gives the whole population, government and civilian, a hell of a lot of assorted problems

Australians are desperate to see improvements in the health sector, with a call to implement national service standards and attract more doctors and nurses, one poll suggests.

Eighty-six per cent want national standards for the delivery of care for hospitals patients, according to the poll, which was commissioned by the ACTU.

Some 82 per cent said the government should improve pay for nurses and doctors to lure more of them to the sector.

Health remains a top issue for Australians, with a hefty 91 per cent rating it as very or extremely important in the survey.

Meanwhile, it also showed overwhelming support for the government's proposed health revolution to seize funding control of hospitals, with almost four out of every five Australians backing the plan.

"This poll shows Australians are concerned about the shift towards user pays in recent years and want more government funding so that all Australians have access to quality healthcare," ACTU secretary Jeff Lawrence said in a statement on Wednesday.

"They want the state and federal governments to fix up the duplication of responsibilities between them."

Almost half of the 1000 people surveyed said the quality of healthcare was getting worse, while 38 per cent said was staying the same.

It may cost jobs but the Healthcare bill is allowing those who don't have much money to ... well ... have healthcare. C'mon I don't know why people don't want to help eachother out. My grandmother ( pure white European. ) was unable to get a Colon scan because she lacked Healthcare. She simply couldn't afford it.

The Republican idea of " Give more to those who have the most and let them trickle it down " is the most idiotic statement there is.

I don't support this bill wholeheartly but it has benefits to older whites who can't afford Healthcare.

This bill WILL cast jobs in the private sector and degrade our health care system. In fact I own a business that will be shut down prior to full implementation as a result of this bill. Secondly, we are considering openning another business right now but are waiting to see if this travesty is, correctly, declarede unconstitutional before doing so.

It is flat IMMORAL to steal money, God's blessings, from one person to pay for or hand it to another. This is true whether by taxes or at the point of a gun, stealing is stealing. The mulato occupant of the White House has flatly stated his goal is to take money for one group, i.e. Whites, and hand it to another, i.e. blacks. In fact robber obama has equated forcing people, i.e. Whites again, to pay for socialized medicine and education as preferable to "reparations" for the negroes.

My dear mother always told me if you will lie you will steal and if you steal you will lie. Looks like barry has proven her point yet again.

And you don't realise how rooted the Australian Healthcare system is, it is beyond maggoted. It's pathetic, a joke. Not to mention it gives the whole population, government and civilian, a hell of a lot of assorted problems

I agree with Mygeeto, it's the same here in Norway. We pay for healthcare through our taxes, and the reality is that the quality is poor. Old people die in toilets, because our "rich" country cannot pay for healthcare. It's all about will and money. They have very much of the "will", but little money.

I support National Healthcare. I believe that it gives poor people ( which often can include whites ) some money so that they can go to the hospital. Rich people should pay taxes to help out the poor. If you make 500,000 dollars a year a small taxe to help your fellow whites isn't that bad is it? Just because you've made it doesn't mean you have to leave those who can't in the dust.

This isn't the age of the warrior ...

Thankyou to the MODS if this is posted.

See, when the government TAKES there is no CHOICE and, invariably, CHARITY wanes. Couple that with the tyranny of the bell curve (parasites and retards "voting" another entitlement) and "feel good" patronizing government turds, nannies and parasites MANDATING more TAKING and folks tend to get an attitude.

I'm tired of coerced "CHARITY" and the incessant LOWERING OF THE BAR--CALLED "PROGRESS".

Australians are desperate to see improvements in the health sector, with a call to implement national service standards and attract more doctors and nurses, one poll suggests.

Eighty-six per cent want national standards for the delivery of care for hospitals patients, according to the poll, which was commissioned by the ACTU.

Some 82 per cent said the government should improve pay for nurses and doctors to lure more of them to the sector.

Health remains a top issue for Australians, with a hefty 91 per cent rating it as very or extremely important in the survey.

Meanwhile, it also showed overwhelming support for the government's proposed health revolution to seize funding control of hospitals, with almost four out of every five Australians backing the plan.

"This poll shows Australians are concerned about the shift towards user pays in recent years and want more government funding so that all Australians have access to quality healthcare," ACTU secretary Jeff Lawrence said in a statement on Wednesday.

"They want the state and federal governments to fix up the duplication of responsibilities between them."

Almost half of the 1000 people surveyed said the quality of healthcare was getting worse, while 38 per cent said was staying the same.

The government can't run a bathtub properly and giving the government more control over something it already has control over won't improve conditions, considering the current conditions the healthcare system, is already in which have already been vastly dissapointing beyond beleif to date. However the government should improve pay for nurses and increase funding to the hospitals. THAT IS ALL. There are numerous other changes that should be made. From Psychiatric to Emergency, the entire health department needs some adjustments.

I agree with Mygeeto, it's the same here in Norway. We pay for healthcare through our taxes, and the reality is that the quality is poor. Old people die in toilets, because our "rich" country cannot pay for healthcare. It's all about will and money. They have very much of the "will", but little money.

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And yet a plurality of Norwegians keep voting in the Red-Green coalition, the Labour Party and Jens Stoltenberg.

Australia has national health care in a universal system and it also currently has only a 5.1% unemployment rate. There is no reason for universal health care to be a job killer in fact it is more likely to create jobs in that sector of the economy.

There are three basic types of universal health care:
Single Payer: The government provides insurance for all residents (or citizens) and pays all health care expenses except for copays and coinsurance. Providers may be public, private, or a combination of both.

Two-Tier: The government provides or mandates catrastrophic or minimum insurance coverage for all residents (or citizens), while allowing the purchase of additional voluntary insurance or fee-for service care when desired. In Singapore all residents receive a catastrophic policy from the government coupled with a health savings account that they use to pay for routine care. In other countries like Ireland and Israel, the government provides a core policy which the majority of the population supplement with private insurance.

Insurance Mandate: The government mandates that all citizens purchase insurance, whether from private, public, or non-profit insurers. In some cases the insurer list is quite restrictive, while in others a healthy private market for insurance is simply regulated and standardized by the government. In this kind of system insurers are barred from rejecting sick individuals, and individuals are required to purchase insurance, in order to prevent typical health care market failures from arising.

The idea of health care for everyone is noble. However, one problem is this could be the wrong time to spend the money. Also, the lack of privacy will be astounding, and we will have some government bureaucrat telling us if we can have an x-ray. Just because you may need a treatment doesn't mean you will get it. My mind boggles at the corruption which will stem from this, especially, if there is a serious pandemic.
Unlike national defense, we will be unable to reduce expenditure for a national health system. Once it starts, it will not be able to be turned off. There will be no turning back on this program. Additionally, we have far too many poor in this country to make the system viable. The rich won't pay more taxes, they will just move, or find other ways to avoid paying. The middle class, which is already taxed out and on the verge of disappearing, will be stuck with the bill.
So, what is Obama's solution? To take money from Medicare? Thus, in order to provide care for a one segment of the population we need to take it from another segment? This is preposterous, vicious, cynical, and borders on the immoral. It also borders on euthanasia which could be the next step. Afterall, who is to stop the Government. They will just let the old folks die, who needs them anyway.
I say in order to lower costs, we need a healthier population. So, let's ban smoking, alcohol, and fast food which lead to respiratory illness and cancer. Also, creates higher risk of home fires and death by automobile. However, in California, it is being seriously considered to legalize marijuana.
It is obvious, a health care system would result in greater government intrusion into private lives, and how we live. We could have a fat tax. If one weighs too much, and this is determined by the Government, then we pay a tax.