There is a gap for sure between #1 and #2. But MSNBC certainly broadcasts strictly from a leftist view. They use less outright lies for sure, but always slanting opinion 1-sided. I thought this was pretty easy to see.

despite trumps attacks I find CNN to be the best source that seems to provide some balance. My personal opinion.

There is a gap for sure between #1 and #2. But MSNBC certainly broadcasts strictly from a leftist view. They use less outright lies for sure, but always slanting opinion 1-sided. I thought this was pretty easy to see.

despite trumps attacks I find CNN to be the best source that seems to provide some balance. My personal opinion.

You can't put them in the same category. MSNBC while certainly left at least deals in facts. Faux on the other hand constantly spews falsehoods, untruths or doesn't even report what is going on. Faux viewers are the most ill informed. While you may not like Rachel Maddow and her reporting because she leans way left, you can't honestly say that she deliberately misconstrues the facts or makes shit up. Same for Chris Matthews and Lawerence O'Donnel (the big three in prime time). False equivalency.

There is a gap for sure between #1 and #2. But MSNBC certainly broadcasts strictly from a leftist view. They use less outright lies for sure, but always slanting opinion 1-sided. I thought this was pretty easy to see.

despite trumps attacks I find CNN to be the best source that seems to provide some balance. My personal opinion.

You can't put them in the same category. MSNBC while certainly left at least deals in facts. Faux on the other hand constantly spews falsehoods, untruths or doesn't even report what is going on. Faux viewers are the most ill informed. While you may not like Rachel Maddow and her reporting because she leans way left, you can't honestly say that she deliberately misconstrues the facts or makes shit up. Same for Chris Matthews and Lawerence O'Donnel (the big three in prime time). False equivalency.

So there is a lot here....

First I wanna say that the whole "normalize", "false equivalency" thing has gotten out of hand. I don't think any of that is going on in my post. It's becoming the same as "fake news" and "nothingburger".

Now to address your points to me:

1) I am putting them together in 1 category....the news category. I put CNN, ABC news, and CBS news in this category as well.2) I already stated that MSNBC uses far less outright lies than Fox news. There is no equivalency there, Fox is way ahead of just about anyone else in the whole news world and certainly way ahead of other primetime TV players.3) I do think anchors on MSNBC purposely misconstrue facts to fit their agenda. Again, not on the level of Fox, but it certainly happens. There is no way you can be so 1-sided without doing that. They always look at it through the left lens and feed it to their viewers. Fox does the same for the right, but then they add in using visuals that aren't connected to the story at all and outright lies as well.

Ironically I enjoy MSNBC more since Trump has become president. Mostly cause I like seeing the news being critical of the president...I hate the Rah-Rah crap. But I can still see when I'm being mislead by their bias. But I still gravitate towards CNN which I find to be pretty balanced. Sure there is the occasional editorial piece I read on the web that takes something too far, but generally speaking I find them to be a solid news org.

There is a gap for sure between #1 and #2. But MSNBC certainly broadcasts strictly from a leftist view. They use less outright lies for sure, but always slanting opinion 1-sided. I thought this was pretty easy to see.

despite trumps attacks I find CNN to be the best source that seems to provide some balance. My personal opinion.

You can't put them in the same category. MSNBC while certainly left at least deals in facts. Faux on the other hand constantly spews falsehoods, untruths or doesn't even report what is going on. Faux viewers are the most ill informed. While you may not like Rachel Maddow and her reporting because she leans way left, you can't honestly say that she deliberately misconstrues the facts or makes shit up. Same for Chris Matthews and Lawerence O'Donnel (the big three in prime time). False equivalency.

So there is a lot here....

First I wanna say that the whole "normalize", "false equivalency" thing has gotten out of hand. I don't think any of that is going on in my post. It's becoming the same as "fake news" and "nothingburger".

Now to address your points to me:

1) I am putting them together in 1 category....the news category. I put CNN, ABC news, and CBS news in this category as well.2) I already stated that MSNBC uses far less outright lies than Fox news. There is no equivalency there, Fox is way ahead of just about anyone else in the whole news world and certainly way ahead of other primetime TV players.3) I do think anchors on MSNBC purposely misconstrue facts to fit their agenda. Again, not on the level of Fox, but it certainly happens. There is no way you can be so 1-sided without doing that. They always look at it through the left lens and feed it to their viewers. Fox does the same for the right, but then they add in using visuals that aren't connected to the story at all and outright lies as well.

Ironically I enjoy MSNBC more since Trump has become president. Mostly cause I like seeing the news being critical of the president...I hate the Rah-Rah crap. But I can still see when I'm being mislead by their bias. But I still gravitate towards CNN which I find to be pretty balanced. Sure there is the occasional editorial piece I read on the web that takes something too far, but generally speaking I find them to be a solid news org.

Nice assessment Cincy. I agree with what you are saying. I think what Trump has been publicly doing to discredit CNN since he was elected is working to an extent. Even though I have never found CNN to be a biased news organization, I find myself looking to other outlets to gather info from because I know that those who even some what support Trump will write off anything from CNN as "fake news". People really are just a bunch of Lemmings and it's scary to see how much they can be controlled by lies and unsubstantiated slander, but yet multiple sexual harassment complaints, abuse of power, and outright lies against the "fake news" mouthpiece go ignored. If nothing else, the age of information has at least made it harder to control the masses. There is still a mass pile of shit, but at least some of it is still floating to the top.

There is a gap for sure between #1 and #2. But MSNBC certainly broadcasts strictly from a leftist view. They use less outright lies for sure, but always slanting opinion 1-sided. I thought this was pretty easy to see.

despite trumps attacks I find CNN to be the best source that seems to provide some balance. My personal opinion.

You can't put them in the same category. MSNBC while certainly left at least deals in facts. Faux on the other hand constantly spews falsehoods, untruths or doesn't even report what is going on. Faux viewers are the most ill informed. While you may not like Rachel Maddow and her reporting because she leans way left, you can't honestly say that she deliberately misconstrues the facts or makes shit up. Same for Chris Matthews and Lawerence O'Donnel (the big three in prime time). False equivalency.

So there is a lot here....

First I wanna say that the whole "normalize", "false equivalency" thing has gotten out of hand. I don't think any of that is going on in my post. It's becoming the same as "fake news" and "nothingburger".

Now to address your points to me:

1) I am putting them together in 1 category....the news category. I put CNN, ABC news, and CBS news in this category as well.2) I already stated that MSNBC uses far less outright lies than Fox news. There is no equivalency there, Fox is way ahead of just about anyone else in the whole news world and certainly way ahead of other primetime TV players.3) I do think anchors on MSNBC purposely misconstrue facts to fit their agenda. Again, not on the level of Fox, but it certainly happens. There is no way you can be so 1-sided without doing that. They always look at it through the left lens and feed it to their viewers. Fox does the same for the right, but then they add in using visuals that aren't connected to the story at all and outright lies as well.

Ironically I enjoy MSNBC more since Trump has become president. Mostly cause I like seeing the news being critical of the president...I hate the Rah-Rah crap. But I can still see when I'm being mislead by their bias. But I still gravitate towards CNN which I find to be pretty balanced. Sure there is the occasional editorial piece I read on the web that takes something too far, but generally speaking I find them to be a solid news org.

How is that any different than the response the left has to the meeting?Therr are always hypocrites on both sides, especially in the mediaEverything Fox said then other networks are saying now, and everything Fox is saying now others said back then.Why is Fox held to a higher standard than everyone else?Much of the accusations towards fox are true, but they equally apply to most of the other news networks too, but I don’t see multiple threads complaining about then.

Haha, you're kidding right?

No. I think many news organizations are a joke. I’m not defending Fox, just saying the rest aren’t much better.i also think of much of Fox’s programming like I think of “The View.” I don’t think of a lot of it as news as much as a political talk show. No one considers “The View” as a news source so they get away with the dumbest stuff on there. Much of Fox is the same way, I just don’t consider it news. Especially everything outside the prime-time slots. That being said I can’t stand Hannity or Ingraham, which is half that.I really have no idea how many, if any do. And it’s a moot point because I wouldn’t really trust any data that gave much information about it anyway just because it seems like such a difficult stat to get an accurate number on and such an easy one to sway one way or another depending on how you define the survey. It just seems like people find the dumbest stuff said on Fox and make the claim “I can’t believe republicans buy this, they are all inbreed retards.” When I really have no reason to believe the majority of conservatives take everything of Fox as hard facts. I certainly don’t hold every liberal to everything said on The View.

But wait, it's not the same. Yes, Fox's treatment of this NK thing is WAY different from the response from the left in this context. With Fox, they are literally praising now what they shit all over before. No other news network is doing that. And no, it is not at all true that "Everything Fox said then other networks are saying now, and everything Fox is saying now others said back then." I don't understand how you are claiming there is no difference, and I can't fathom how you can say that the criticisms against Fox equally apply to most other news networks. That is just objectively false. Plus Fox is definitely not held to a higher standard, lol. They are held up to a general standard that isn't even very high, and they fail miserably. Cincy said above that the whole "false equivalency thing" has gotten out of hand... Well I must protest that, given the fact that here on the very same page we've got someone claiming that most of the other news networks are on the same level as Fox News. When people say things like that, I know the false equivalency accusation isn't out of hand - people creating false equivalencies is. And then complaining about the accusation is somehow effectively allowing people to discredit a perfectly valid accusation. Honestly, I don't even know how Fox News can be called news anymore. That shit isn't news. It's a right wing government propaganda channel, pure and simple. And no, there aren't any major news networks that are the same but left. Not even close.

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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

Yeah I know, there is no hope here. Based on what voters are doing in the primaries, they are totally fine backing a sexist, racist, power hungry idiot then they are looking at issues and voting based on that.

Yeah I know, there is no hope here. Based on what voters are doing in the primaries, they are totally fine backing a sexist, racist, power hungry idiot then they are looking at issues and voting based on that.

I think whether or not these crazies get their asses handed to them in November will be a better determining factor, no?