gja:Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend. Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

Eggs is slaughter too, pal. You are advocating the destruction of possible embryos.[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 210x240]

Oh, BTW....egg yolks have MUCH cholesterol, so you fail.....

Yup. Life is food. For you to live, something else has to die. Period. The only disagreement is where you draw the line about what you are willing to kill, or have killed for you, in order for you to live.

Langdon_777:gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend. Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

The mother doesn't provide... People provide... people pulled those resources from their natural habitat and transplanted them to a region that was suitable for mass production.

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only able to live your left wing lifestyle because technology allows it, without it, you couldn't have your little "cause"

Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?

I love it when I'm late to a hunting thread, only to find that dittybopper has things well in control.You people calling for harm to this young girl for participating in a legal, regulated hunt need to take a hard look at yourselves.

dittybopper:CeroX: Ditty, if you've done this let me know, any tips, tricks or advice would be appreciated...

I can help you with the arrows, but my father made my bow, so I can't be much help there.

I have made an atlatl, but unfortunately you can't hunt with one in NYS. If you could, I'd be practicing with it every farkin' day it isn't raining or snowing, just to be good enough for hunting season.

Can't in ohio either, but i live 1/2 hour from the river and can hunt in KY... Can't rifle hunt dear in ohio, only shotgun... and you can't hunt with buckshot, only slugs...

But you know what you CAN hunt in ohio? Canadian Geese... that's right, a couple years ago they opened up canadian geese season in Jan... I finally got some revenge on those shiat factories for biting me in the leg in the parking lot of my work!

i digress again...

sorry... hard to keep focus today...

Anyway, i'll let you know how it comes out... i should be splitting the wood in a few weeks...

amindtat:Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?

I don't know what about Wisconsin, but in Ohio it means that you have a licensed, experienced, hunter that will do the hunting, tracking, etc, and the back up can take the shot upon guidance of the primary... it's meant to be a "guided hunt"

In other words, you could seriously endanger yourself or others if you've never hunted bear or other dangerous animals before, so you have to go out with an experienced guide hunter on your first time out. Without an experienced guide, you could seriously walk into a trap and get yourself and people you are with killed... getting between a cub and her momma for example... very dangerous...

It might seem like common sense not to get between a momma and her cub, but when you are out there, you could literally turn around a tree and find yourself in that position and not realize it...

amindtat:Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?

I'm assuming it was on a private preserve, so the hunting laws wouldn't apply.

amindtat:Looking at Wisconsin bear hunting regulations it states that: "Youth ages 10 and 11 may only shoot a bear as a 'backup shooter' or possess a firearm if they are in compliance with all the Hunting Mentorship Program requirements." It appears that the role of a 'backup shooter' is described as: "...to shoot a bear that was first lawfully shot, but not killed, by a Class A bear license holder but only if killing the bear is necessary to protect human safety

The article states she killed it with a single shot and there is no mention of anyone else shooting first (Han Solo excluded) or being in danger. Is there any Wisconsin Farkers that hunt that can elaborate on what a "back up shooter" is and how that applies to youth hunters?

I'm guessing she was in compliance with the Hunting Mentorship Program, not there as a backup shooter. You can be a mentored hunter if your (licensed) hunting mentor is within arms reach, and there is only one gun or bow between the two of you.

dittybopper:Langdon_777: I really want the lion hunters to use an Onyx knife and that is all - eat it or be eaten, it doesn't bother me.

But please stop calling modern hunting 'hunting'.

Onyx doesn't make a good knife. Obsidian does. The bottom two pieces here are obsidian, and were supposed to be a knife blade, until I farked up and broke it, so I turned it into a arrowhead and a spear point:

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As for modern hunters, what is your point? Don't forget that for ancient man, that was largely his "job". He could devote the time and effort to becoming skilled at it because he wasn't punching a clock, and his seasons were unlimited. Also, his life, and that of his family, depended on his ability.

Today, most people don't have that amount of time to put into it, and to be honest, even with modern equipment, hunting wild animals is still hard*.

I *REFUSE* to play into the politics of division. Just because I chose a certain path, doesn't mean that others must follow, or that I am somehow superior to those who chose to use a modern rifle and a tree stand (or whatever). They are also hunters, just hunters using different, but equally valid, methods. Like Benjamin Franklin once said, "We must all hang together, or we will most assuredly hand separately".

*Depending on the species, of course.

I really have luved the pics.

Its a bit like using drones and long rang missiles against dudes with rifles and (maybe) an old rocket launcher - its just unfair, it is asymmetric (even though that word is currently being used to make the stone age peasants look tough).

Ya know bugger the weapon - kill all the animals you like but you must use your hands alone.

The very same type of people that are appalled when someone others call for the death of violent criminals are here wishing death and harm on some 11 year old kid for something totally legal. Yet with their Fark Psychology degrees and a straight face they call this child socio or psychopathic. You folks are the reason we can't have nice things.

CeroX:Langdon_777: gja: NannyStatePark: Langdon_777: dittybopper: kregh99: /people that kill for fun are something this world can do without

People that kill for fun, when properly regulated, ensure that we all have wildlife to enjoy. If it weren't for sport hunters, there would be no deer, bear, or wild turkeys in the entire eastern United States, and probably fewer other species also.

If it were not for hunters - there would be thousands of them, yes some starving and dying, but thousands. I heard the USA use to have Buffalo....

Are you talking about that Bison that's nine bucks a pound at the store? Damn good burger, maybe I will grab some for the weekend. Glad my demand fuels their recovery as a species.

I will join you in a bison burger, my friend.Cool thing: bison is BETTER for you than beef!Bison has less fat, calories & cholesterol compared to beef, chicken, pork and salmon.And, it has more iron - so is great for women.

The mother doesn't provide... People provide... people pulled those resources from their natural habitat and transplanted them to a region that was suitable for mass production.

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

DWitchiewoman:dittybopper:DWitchiewoman: Came in here to see all the little girl hate...Leaving way more freaked out that a man was seriously trying to find out if he could use his wife's hipbone as a hammer...

Not *JUST* a hammer, but one for knapping flint, perhaps as a replacement for the antler I have been using

silverjets:fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Why is it that you and the hundreds of other hate-mongers in this thread are totally convinced that she killed the bear and then threw all the meat in the garbage. Bear is delicious. A hunter can and does enjoy the hunt. We are not required to shed a tear just before squeezing the trigger in order to justify taking a life. Yes, hunting is fun. If it wasn't enjoyable do you really think MILLIONS of Americans would continue to hunt every year??

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

No it isn't, not if it guarantees the survival of that species, and of the other non-game species that share that habitat.

If thats then case, then the purpose would be "to preserve the species".

Yep. And getting people to voluntarily spend tens of millions of dollars to increase wildlife habitat, along with the tens of millions they spend semi-involuntarily via excise taxes on hunting equipment, is an awesome way to pay for it. It's win-win all around: The species get to live their lives in natural surroundings as nature intended, people who enjoy hunting get to keep doing it, and everyone else who enjoys nature benefits from the largesse of the sport hunters.

The night before I got my heart transplant, when everything had gone to shiat and I was hooked up to oxygen masks, all I wanted, more than anything else, was a quarter-pounder trio from McDonalds.Dying wishes are weird./csb

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y:silverjets: fiver5: She should get her meat at the grocery store in shrink wrapped packages like everyone else does. Because killing animals is wrong.

Killing animals for food is not wrong. Food is for survival.

Killing animals for no other purpose other than to kill an animal IS wrong.

The little girl described the hunt as the day her wish came true and said that the family now hopes to mount the bear on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Maybe after she dies her family can mount her on the wall to keep the memory alive.

Why is it that you and the hundreds of other hate-mongers in this thread are totally convinced that she killed the bear and then threw all the meat in the garbage. Bear is delicious. A hunter can and does enjoy the hunt. We are not required to shed a tear just before squeezing the trigger in order to justify taking a life. Yes, hunting is fun. If it wasn't enjoyable do you really think MILLIONS of Americans would continue to hunt every year??

I am pretty sure rape and pillage is enjoyable, but I tend to avoid it ...

I like your style. When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable) Always made my own bullets and patches. I also threw knives and french tomahawks. Even made my own hunting knife. I bought a broken blade and reground it and made my own handle out of antler (my dad helped a lot). I kind of fell away from that after i went to college but all my stuff is still back home stuck in a closet somewhere...

Tellingthem:When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable)

I compete regularly with my flintlock:

Every year, I do primitive biathlons in the winter. Out of the 65 shots I've fired in competition*, I've had a single misfire with the flintlock, and it wasn't because of the gun, it was because I got distracted and rammed a ball home with no powder under it. If you have a well-built flintlock, and you load it properly, it will fire.

*You can effectively double or triple that, accounting for practice, but I don't keep records of that.

sendtodave:HotWingConspiracy: Ask anyone if they'd rather have a bear, or a diseased, depressing child. She's a total money sink. The bear is just going to be out there doing bear stuff, pretty self-sufficient.

Fair point. And in some places you could put the bear in a cage, and have people pay to feed it peanuts or something. Easy money.

Try doing that with a kid.

In some places they put kids in caged and people pay to fark them. So what's your point?

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only abl ...

Well now, wait a minute. That's not true. I have a root cellar full of vegetables I've grown myself, some that keep well into late March. Winter squash, potato, onion, carrots, beets, rutabega, turnip.

Apples also keep well as do dried beans and some other legumes without canning or refrigeration. As do all kinds of nuts. Some vegetables like leeks will over winter right in the garden. I've picked fresh leeks with 6" of snow on the ground. Swiss chard and kale will survive several frosts.

dittybopper:Tellingthem: When I was a kid I was into all sorts of stuff like that. I still have my custom 50cal caplock muzzle loader. (I like flintlocks but for competitions I wanted something a bit more reliable)

I compete regularly with my flintlock:

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Every year, I do primitive biathlons in the winter. Out of the 65 shots I've fired in competition*, I've had a single misfire with the flintlock, and it wasn't because of the gun, it was because I got distracted and rammed a ball home with no powder under it. If you have a well-built flintlock, and you load it properly, it will fire.

*You can effectively double or triple that, accounting for practice, but I don't keep records of that.

It wasn't so much snow as it was the rain. We shot a lot in the rain and i saw some flints having water issues so I never wanted to deal with it. I also may have just been a bit paranoid. I do have that tendency haha

"City folk" - does anyone say this other than wanna-be rednecks from the suburbs? I come from a "country" family, and love to camp, fish, hike, etc... and I love nothing more than seeing rare wildlife when I do so, and this dumb coont has taken away a part of my ability to do that.

There's nothing wrong with harvesting animals for food to survive. But hunting animals to satiate a reptilian desire to kill for the sake of killing is farking disgusting and we should attempt to evolve beyond that.

Millennium:REO-Weedwagon: Trophy hunters are sociopathic no matter their age.

I agree that trophy hunting is wasteful and kind of douchey, but sociopathic? That's going rather far; among other things, it anthropomorphizes the bear.

Don't you know? Sociopathy is Fark's favorite mental illness. Don't like someone's opinion, they're sociopathic. Someone being a dick? They're sociopathic. Call someone out for being stupid? Your sociopathic. It's amazing the number of trained psychologists we have here.

glassbottomboatcaptain:I guess it just seems to me that someone coming face to face with their own impending mortality might look into the eyes of a beautiful, wild animal they're about to shoot and have a profound moment of realization that even though whether she lives or dies is out of her hands, whether this living being lives or dies is in her hands, and give it the very gift she wishes for herself - a second chance.

But nope, she shot it because killing things is fun. Well little girl, do you know who else seems to like to kill for the fun of it? God. And he's aiming down his little finger-gun at you as we speak.

So a "dream come true" for this person who is waiting on lifesaving organs is to be able to go out and kill other living beings? That they weren't even going to put to any sort of good use afterwards? Just taking shiatty pictures with the corpse?

for good or for awesome:Good lord. I'm always surprised at the number of people on Fark that think killing an animal like this is a horrible tragedy. None of you need to eat meat. You do it because you like it. If killing this bear gives this little girl and her family some comfort good for them. As long as the animal is not endangered have at it.

I disagree with the bolded. If killing the bear provided the girl and her family with food, then more power to them. If they're killing just to kill, then thank god the girl's time on earth is short. fark her.

Vegetarians seem to forget, the ONLY reason they are able to CHOOSE to live that way is through technology... even as little as 150 years ago, you couldn't have the options all year round that you have now...

Modern machinery makes it possible for people to have access to fruits and vegetables all year round... before that people had to store grains for the winter because grains were the only kind of non-meat product that would last longer than a week.

Now, trucks and trains transport your fruits and vegetables and nuts across country so you can enjoy some fresh fruit or broccoli.

Before modern machinery, drying fruit out in the sun was possible, but ultimately unsafe due to bacterial growth and insect contamination...

You are only abl ...

Well now, wait a minute. That's not true. I have a root cellar full of vegetables I've grown myself, some that keep well into late March. Winter squash, potato, onion, carrots, beets, rutabega, turnip.

Apples also keep well as do dried beans and some other legumes without canning or refrigeration. As do all kinds of nuts. Some vegetables like leeks will over winter right in the garden. I've picked fresh leeks with 6" of snow on the ground. Swiss chard and kale will survive several frosts.

/not a vegetarian

Alright, i'll concede to the point of potatoes and other root veggies... Kale and Chard surviving 2 frosts is really only valid if you live in an area that it doesn't really snow or frost that often...

My grandmother used to keep potatoes in the basement, they actually started growing roots down there... I wouldn't peg onions to do that though, I've had onions go bad in just a couple of weeks... Carrots wither up but are still technically edible... I have no idea about turnips, i don't like them anyway... She also tried keeping green beans in the basement, but we always had to string them and can them quickly after a month or so because they would start to turn...

But my grandparents also lived on a farm and raised their own meat and gardens on about 40 acres... not everyone can do that, and certainly not your typical vegan

The My Little Pony Killer:So a "dream come true" for this person who is waiting on lifesaving organs is to be able to go out and kill other living beings? That they weren't even going to put to any sort of good use afterwards? Just taking shiatty pictures with the corpse?

/facepalm

//digging the irony of her having shot it through the heart though

That's funny, nowhere in either the Daily Fail article or the local news story here say anything about whether or not it was going to be put to any kind of use, everyone here is just assuming they won't.

/live about 20 minutes from where the story took place.// It's very rare for Wisconsinite folks to hunt anything and not eat or donate the meat.