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A guy like Penn St's Gerald Hodges might provide as good 'value' as a Round 3-4 type LB as a Te'o or Minter. Obviously, Minter & Te'o are likely to be superior footballers, but for run stuffing ILB's, not sure if they provide great 'value' as 1st round picks.

I'm talking about when he came out. And I'm not doubting their oustanding production. But I will tell you that there are loads of guys who were awesome producers at the college level... it doesn't make them worthy of a first-round pick. I'll bet you Larry Foote (Big Ten DPOY) had similar stats, along with a comparable 40 time. Foote was had in the 5th round pick (or whatever it was).

I agree Shoe. Patrick Willis keeps coming up but that guy proved himself in the SEC on an Ole Miss team.

I think Te'o is a solid late 2nd or mid 3rd rounder and I think the hype has already started to hurt his draft stock. Not sure if anyone watched his 40, they showed the Ravens HC shaking his head in disappointment while watching Te'o. Maybe he's bluffing but he looked disappointed in what he witnessed.

I agree Shoe. Patrick Willis keeps coming up but that guy proved himself in the SEC on an Ole Miss team.

I think Te'o is a solid late 2nd or mid 3rd rounder and I think the hype has already started to hurt his draft stock. Not sure if anyone watched his 40, they showed the Ravens HC shaking his head in disappointment while watching Te'o. Maybe he's bluffing but he looked disappointed in what he witnessed.

My understanding is Mintor, Te'o and Williams had poor combines. Not saying all there is but the pieces start adding up.

Dont agree. I actually watched it. Other than his 40 T'eo was very solid in his drills. Had a better 20 yard shuttle and a 3 cone drill cone than your boy Alec Ogletree. And again for me that is a better barometer for and ILB than a 40 yard dash is.