CLIFF KINCAID: The New York Times reports that, at Cardinal Timothy Dolans recommendation, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops voted unanimously to [continue investigating the cause] of Dorothy Day, even though [s]he had an abortion as a young woman and ... flirted with joining the Communist Party.

President Obama called Dorothy Day a great reformer in American history."

Cardinal Dolan is described as conservative and has strongly criticized Obamas attacks on religious liberty and federal intrusions into church affairs. He nevertheless invited Obama to the Al Smith Dinner....

Obama received 54% of the Catholic vote in 2008 and 50% in 2012.

Carol Byrnes book ["The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis"] exposes the Marxist agenda of Dorothy Day ... who made common cause with Communist-led movements during the Great Depression and the Cold War. It is relevant and important not only because of the Dolan-led campaign ... to make Dorothy Day a saint but because of what the campaign says about Marxist influence in the church, even among conservative Bishops.

CAROL BYRNE: [After becoming Catholic,] Day became a member of several Socialist organizations and was actively involved in political groups (including trade unions) whose founders and leaders where predominantly Communist Party members... This must be considered against the background of successive Popes who condemned Communism as intrinsically evil: they forbade Catholics from supporting Communists, and in July 1949 Pope Pius XII issued a decree of excommunication against anyone who collaborated with Communists or joined their associations....

My book [documents] that Day supported the policies of hostile foreign powers operating from Moscow, Havana, Peking and Hanoi against her own country.... She also wrote favorably about such Socialist dictators as Lenin, Castro, Mao and Ho Chi Minh, even though they had all violently persecuted the Church in their respective countries.

In this exclusive interview, Cliff Kincaid speaks with author Carol Byrne, whose "book has been seen as a 'wake-up call' not only for modern Catholics, but also for American citizens." Dr. Byrne first explains how the Bishops' vote on Day was not "unanimous" and how the erroneous claim started. She describes the leftist anti-Catholic organizations supported by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. She identifies three well-known "conservative" Catholics who support Day's cause. Finally, Dr. Byrne advises what Catholics can and should do about the process of making Dorothy Day a saint. Also available at the same site--and pertinent to the debate--is the letter sent to Benedict XVI by Virginia State Senator Richard Black on Day's cause.

I have less of a problem with her past abortion since plenty of women have realized the horror of their actions & later repented. What I do have a problem with is her ongoing encouragement of communism without later renouncing that as evil. That is the problem.

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posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:21 AM PST
by surroundedbyblue
(I once saw a movie where only the police & military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List")

Reading the reviews on Amazon. This author is a rad trad,self published(not even published by the traditionalist SSPX publishing arm: Angelus Press). The book has no citations to back up what she says. Additionally the author is a regular contributor to the 'Tradition in Action' website(rad trads)

Note: SSPX, radical traditionalist frequently diverge from the Pope and the Catholic Church on a whole host of issues!

So if you want a self-published book with a radical traditionalist point of view(SSPX) and opinion not even challenged by a publisher, then this is your book.

Note: SSPX, radical traditionalist frequently diverge from the Pope and the Catholic Church on a whole host of issues!

Dr. Byrne first explains how the Bishops' vote on Day was not "unanimous" and how the erroneous claim started. She describes the leftist anti-Catholic organizations supported by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. She identifies three well-known "conservative" Catholics who support Day's cause. Finally, Dr. Byrne advises what Catholics can and should do about the process of making Dorothy Day a saint.

What's that, you say? Socialism in the Catholic Church? Whodathunkit!

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posted on 01/29/2013 9:31:45 AM PST
by Alex Murphy
("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)

"Before he was a devoted husband and father, or a U.S. Senator, or a presidential candidate of historic accomplishments, Barack Obama took a job working as a community organizer for a group of eight Catholic parishes in one of the nations largest cities. With funding from the U.S. Bishops and working for three years out of an office in a Catholic church rectory, he embarked on a campaign to empower the lives of thousands of people who were suffering through economic circumstances not unlike what has befallen our country today. "http://www.catholicdemocrats.org/cfo/the_catholic_case_for_obama.php

Kerry is Skull and Bones......and Catholic

It was discovered in 2003 by Felix Gundacker, a genealogist[7] working with The Boston Globe, that Kerrys paternal grandparents, who had been born Fritz Kohn and Ida Löwe in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, changed their names to Frederick and Ida Kerry in 1900 and converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism in 1901[8][9] or 1902.[10]

A Roman Catholic, Kerry was said to carry a rosary, a prayer book, and a St. Christopher medal (the patron saint of travelers) when he campaigned. However, while Kerry is personally against abortion, he supports a womans legal right to have one, which puts him at odds with the Catholic Church. Discussing his faith, Kerry said, I thought of being a priest. I was very religious while at school in Switzerland. I was an altar boy and prayed all the time. I was very centered around the Mass and the church. He also said that the Letters of Paul moved him the most, stating that they taught him to not feel sorry for myself.[22]

In an interview with Christianity Today, Kerry said of his faith: Im a Catholic and I practice, but at the same time I have an open-mindedness to many other expressions of spirituality that come through different religions. ... Ive spent some time reading and thinking about [religion] and trying to study it, and Ive arrived at not so much a sense of the differences, but a sense of the similarities in so many ways. He said that he believed that the Torah, the Quran, and the Bible all share a fundamental story which connects with readers.[23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

Sounds ecumenical. Sorta like JPII and Benedict XVI.

Dont worry! Chuck Hagel is an Episcopalian, not Catholic

"Hagel is Catholic, succeeding Leon Panetta, a Catholic, while his National Security Adviser is Tom Donilon, a Catholic (and brother to Terry Donilon, Boston Cardinal Sean OMalleys spokesman). Not to mention that veep Joe Last Man in the Room with the President Biden is Catholic as is the incoming secretary of State, John Kerry."

"Oh, and Obamas counterterrorism chief, John Brennan, was nominated to head the CIA the same day as Hagel. (And the rest of the governmnet is looking quite RC, which must unnerve the Catholic bishops, who keep telling us Obama is persecuting the Church.)"

" He married, divorced, and remarried, this time to Lilibet Ziller of Meridian, Mississippi, a congressional aide whom hed met while working in Washington. He was prairie Catholic. She was Southern Baptist. As a compromise, they and their two teenage children, Allyn and Ziller, go to an Episcopal church."

And this widely-cited 2006 New York Times Magazine profile says of Hagel:

You seem in a great hurry to defame Byrne’s book, which you admit you have not read. Unlike the noteless William D. Miller 1982 biography “Dorothy Day” and Jim Forest’s similarly undocumented biographies of Day, Byrne’s work does provide citations in the “Endnotes” as well as in her expanded “Complete Supplementary Notes on “The Catholic Worker Movement (1933:1980): A Critical Analysis,” available at “Dorothy Day Another Way,” http://dorothydayworker.blogspot.com/2012/06/not-to-be-missed-complete-supplementary.html

As for “diverging from the Pope and the Catholic Church,” Day did so with her pacifism in World War II, her misinterpretation of the Mystical Body as including everyone “because there is no time with God,” and faulty exegesis and misquotes of Scripture and papal encyclicals.

Both Day and Maurin stated that the aim of the Catholic Worker is “to make the rich poor and the poor holy.” Funny, but in over 50 years of reading Scripture, I never been able to find that.

Well, you seem to be a person of few words, substituting personal attacks for argument. Thank you for posting the link to Dr. Byrne’s comments on distributism. Sadly, Catholic distributists too often are unaware or overlook the fact that Day never gave up her Marxist views on property (Byrne, “The Catholic Worker Movement (1933-1980): A Critical Analysis,” 2010, pp. 188-203).
A few months after Pius XII’s “Decree Against Communism,” Day called herself “an ex-Communist” (”Catholic Worker” [CW], November 1949). But she continued to collaborate with the Communist Party for the rest of her life. For example,she attended the the 16th Annual Communist Party Convention (conveniently held at its Greenwich Village headquarters; Day could walk there). She wrote: “certainly from any point of view, it was a privilege to be invited to attend as an observer. The Press had been excluded” (CW, March 1957).

Day believed in “private” property, with the provision that its possession be regulated by those who did not own it; and she favored “communes,” praising those in Communist China. In the July/August 1969 CW, she wrote: “’The more property becomes common—the more it becomes holy.’... But to do away with private property is a mortal sin in our system.... Fortunately, the Papal States were wrested from the Church in the last century, but there is still the problem of investment of papal funds. It is always a cheering thought to me that if we have good will and are still unable to find remedies for the economic abuses of our time, in our family, our parish, and the mighty church as a whole, God will take matters in hand and do the job for us. When I saw the Garibaldi mountains in British Columbia . . . I said a prayer for his soul and blessed him for being the instrument of so mighty a work of God.” In the October/November 1979 CW she expanded: “[Peter Maurin] told us of Proudhon, who wrote ‘A Philosophy of Poverty,’ to which Marx answered with his ‘Poverty of Philosophy,’ and Proudhon’s own answer, ‘Property is Theft.’ It was Peter’s criticism of present day capitalism. He quoted Eric Gill, ‘Property is proper to man,’ and, in combating the machine, he spoke of tools as extensions of the hand, and the necessity of people to have the responsibility of ownership of their tools, of their means of producing.”

Frankly, I didnt read a word you wrote.
And I never invited any conversation or debate with you.
My first reply in this thread is addressed to no one, purposefully!
All my comments are toward your author and my rejection of anything outside of the Catholic Church —Traditionalist.

My mind is beyond being open towards many things in life
especially liberal/progressive Catholicism and Traditionalist Catholicism and their points of view on everything or anything. Progressive and Traditionalist Catholics are alike since they both interpret the documents of Vat II the same erroneous secularizing way. One to their advantage, the other also in error, and in arrogance deny the authority of the council and even the Pope(s).

‘Trojan Horse in the City of God: The Catholic Crisis Explained” by Dietrich von Hildebrand 1967( a virtual shoe-in for ‘Doctor of the Church’ BTW)

You seem to be new here, but if your going to follow the same pattern of other Rad Trads, and reply and argue to everyone, and copy and paste volumnious works into every reply. Then be aware, your going to wear thin and appear indistinguishable from every other rad trad that comes on here with an agenda.....copy/pasting large amts. of material and arguing with everyone.

Yes, that is THE problem, and the advocates of Day’s cause, from Cardinal O’Connor to Cardinal Dolan, have from the beginning denied that her involvement and commitment to Marxism continued after her conversion. In a front-page article in the May 1951 “Catholic Worker” wrote of Marx, Lenin, and Mao Tse-Tung: “These men were animated by the love of brother and this we must believe though their ends meant the seizure of power, and the building of mighty armies, the compulsion of concentration camps, the forced labor and torture and killing of tens of thousands, even millions.”
Let us pray that God will protect us from such “love” and let us pray for the millions killed or starved to death by the Communists—chillingly documented in “The Black Book of Communism,” by Stephane Courtois et al. (1999).

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