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Derozen is one of our best players and you wouldn't know it from last night, We should include him in a Rudy gay trade now. Derozen is too much of a liability for the minutes he recieves. Gay is only 26 and makes a boat load of money but the fans need something to look forward to and the team needs someone who will draw other talent here. Derozen is a figgin Goast in far too many games.

I think the Raps are making progress. Last season Raps would lose in regulation time, but this season they are making it to O/T twice as often. The improvement is marginal but it is there, it's only a matter of time before they turn the corner. I just hope BC doesn't mess it up by making some crazy trade. Raps need to limit their player turnover rate to build cohesiveness and stability.

That can be very beneficial if you have the talent to move forward. Without the talent though its counterproductive to actually making the team better.

Derozen is one of our best players and you wouldn't know it from last night, We should include him in a Rudy gay trade now. Derozen is too much of a liability for the minutes he recieves. Gay is only 26 and makes a boat load of money but the fans need something to look forward to and the team needs someone who will draw other talent here. Derozen is a figgin Goast in far too many games.

I disagree, Im sure if asked.. most NBA players would view Gay as a more proven talent than Derozen. I like the kid but he just will never get the job done. Also, it is much harder to find talent at the 3 than the 2, Shannon Brown would be just as effective, even more in a Raptors uniform than DD for half the cost

I disagree, Im sure if asked.. most NBA players would view Gay as a more proven talent than Derozen. I like the kid but he just will never get the job done. Also, it is much harder to find talent at the 3 than the 2, Shannon Brown would be just as effective, even more in a Raptors uniform than DD for half the cost

Players may think he is more proven, doesn't mean they are interested in coming and playing with him. Haven't seen any players chomping at the bit to get to Memphis. A player like Lebron, Kobe, etc will attract other players and even then that is dependent on where they are. Gay would have virtually zero impact in attracting players to Toronto.

Originally Posted by Goldfinch

If we can get a Gay type player at the 3 and a Banger (Okafor type would do )for Down low so Val doesn't have to take all the punishment than that is a playoff team. Simple as that.

May be a playoff team, but its also a first round exit team that has basically no chance of moving beyond that in the future.

So your suggestion would be what then?? Stay the course and hope DD magically turns into Kobe or hope that DD is enough to attract the Lebron type in FA?? Hope we are the worst team in the league next year to grab Wiggins??Aint gonna happen.. gotta think realistically here.. gotta get in the playoffs and hope to get on a hot streak is the only chance to get a Championship here.. The Big name guys will never want to come here..period.

So your suggestion would be what then?? Stay the course and hope DD magically turns into Kobe or hope that DD is enough to attract the Lebron type in FA?? Hope we are the worst team in the league next year to grab Wiggins??Aint gonna happen.. gotta think realistically here.. gotta get in the playoffs and hope to get on a hot streak is the only chance to get a Championship here.. The Big name guys will never want to come here..period.

This team is at a point where they are pretty much screwed from going in any of those directions well. Stuck in mediocrity for the time. But if you want to talk about realistic then you should reconsider the "get in the playoffs and hope to get on a hot steak" as a chance at a championship. Thats about as realistic as Lebron coming to sign here in free agency.

perhaps you are right but its the only chance in the next 10 years, or whenever this team climbs out of mediocrity.Its been a long time suffering with this team. Rudy Gay is someone you can build around more than DD. Now that ownership looks like they may be willing to spend a little Rudy's contract might not hinder us as much as everyone thinks. Also cheap effective guys that also get playing time are out there.... BC has found a couple of those guys... Alan Anderson>?.. We just need to Get some new blood in here because the current group will never lead us all the way.

perhaps you are right but its the only chance in the next 10 years, or whenever this team climbs out of mediocrity.Its been a long time suffering with this team. Rudy Gay is someone you can build around more than DD. Now that ownership looks like they may be willing to spend a little Rudy's contract might not hinder us as much as everyone thinks. Also cheap effective guys that also get playing time are out there.... BC has found a couple of those guys... Alan Anderson>?.. We just need to Get some new blood in here because the current group will never lead us all the way.

This team is at a point where they are pretty much screwed from going in any of those directions well. Stuck in mediocrity for the time. But if you want to talk about realistic then you should reconsider the "get in the playoffs and hope to get on a hot steak" as a chance at a championship. Thats about as realistic as Lebron coming to sign here in free agency.

Do you think the only way to fix this predicament of being "stuck in the mud" is by firing the GM. IMO, an injection of new blood with no attachments to these players can objectively determine who is the right core going forward.

Do you think the only way to fix this predicament of being "stuck in the mud" is by firing the GM. IMO, an injection of new blood with no attachments to these players can objectively determine who is the right core going forward.

I think they are at a point where they can't tear apart and rebuild really, and they don't have the assets to build up to much better then they are. The current string of mediocrity will have to be ridden until its time to tear things apart again.

I think it's a really bad idea to pay a player big money on the hope that his name brings in the player you actually want. I'm happy with building through what we've got. If this roster plays within the mold of a Denver, or an Indiana, teams which share the ball and distribute the weights and responsibilities of all facets of the game among a larger number of players to be successful, then I can be happy.

Winning turns a name like Derozan into a household one, and winning attracts the already established names.

yes but Denver and indiana already have way more talent than the Raptors.. I'm not sold on the current group getting to that level. DD will hold us back as long as he is starting at the 2. We need a new starting 2,3 and back up center that can take some of the pressure off of Val. Amir is too small and Gray just sucks.