Kinsella, Mary. Interview about living in Logy Bay-Middle Cove-Outer Cove

INTERVIEW Willi MARY KINSELLA
MAY 29, 1999
CONDUCTED BY DELORES WHEELER
" I decided to interview Mro. Mruy Y.in,~ella, who is my mother, l\.1rs, Kinsella will be the wt
Benoir eitzen to have been interviewed in the community. "
" Okay Mom, thi.~ is just a very infoIIllilI interview;"
Delores; "How long have you lived in the community of Logy Bay, Middle Cove, and Outer
Cove'?"
Mrs. K.: • Since I was born, I~n 79"
Delores: " So you have been in this community 79 years"
Mrs K : " yeah"
Delores: "So you've got lots of good intonnation tor us, I can tell. Where was your parents home
located?"
Mrs. K: 'My parents home was located on Logy Bay. Logy Bay which is now the Marine Drive. "
Delores: "Okay what was it called when you were small?"
Mrs. K: "It was called over by Cadigans's cross."
Delores: "Cadigan's cross, oh so now you go down Cadigan's road and you go now Marine
Drive?"
Mrs. K: "yeah"
Delores: "I see, and was it the typical older home, was it a two story or a bungalow?"
Mrs. K: "It was two story. '
Delores; "and is it Btill standing today?"
Mrs. K; "No, it was taken down, about 10 years ago."
Delorell' "Okay, so it was prohably 60 odd years old when it was tom down'?"
Mrs. K: "I suppose. "
Delores: "Yeah, so what home is in that location now""
Mrs. K: "Ah, my newphew's have two homes over there"
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs. K: "Raymond and Tony Cadigan"
Delores: "Oh, very good, that was nice. Mom in our romrnunity we have 5 themes, and I'm going
to list the themes now, and we are going to talk about each one as it relates to your life. One theme
the lifestyle which includes the church, another is the fishery, the nrgiculture, the sports, the
military. How does these themes relates to your lifestyle, during, all when you were younger, what
was your lifestyle like as you were growing up, did you , when you were going to school and this
type of thing, where did you go to school?"
Mrs. K: ·Well, I went to school in Logy Bay·
Delores: "Okay, was there a .....
Mrs. K : "Out by Stokes on Cadigan's Road, in Logy Bay"
Delores: " Is that where Mr. Ted Ozon lives now7"
Mrs. K: "That's right. "
Delores: "Okay, and was it a very hig school?"
Mrs. K: "Yes, a nice school"
Delores: "Yeah, like what 1 to 8 ?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, 1 to 8"
Delores: "Yeah, okay, ah what about church, did you attend church?"
Mrs. K: "OH YES, we had to attend church, the generation of that day was very religious."
Delores: "Aha"
Mrs K.: "Not like the generation of today"
Delores: "You find that the religion is nol as it important as it was years ago?"
Mrs K: "No, bec..'1use they're not taught enough about religion"
Delores: "Okay, and ah, do you feel that there was more respect years ago?"
Mrs K: "There W!IlI more respect for the pries\.~ and the nUI1~, and more respect for the church,
and when we were going to receive holy communion you had to filst from rnidnite."
Delores: "So you weren't allowed to have any breakfust'l"
Mrs. K; "Were'nt allowed to have anything not even a drink of water, until we came home from
mass that morning"
Delores: • So would you get 9. ride to church?"
Mrs. K: "No, we walked."
Delores: "You walked to church"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, we walked, there was no such thing as a ride then"
Delores: "Oh my God, and would like everyone have to go once 9. week.?"
tvfis. K: "Every Sunday, we walked for three miles to church, to and from .. "
Delores: "And did you, I remember one time you mentioned you used to go down and clean up the
church?"
?v1rs.K: "Oh yes, there was a group of us we had to take turns, we had a group of our own, take
two weeks on and two weeks off, deauning up tlle church, sweep the church, and dust it and keep
it clean"
Delores: • Oh that was nice"
Mrs K: "It was n11 volunteers"
Delores: "Yeah, sounds nice"
Mrs.K: ·Went up twice a year, we had to scrub the church.·
Delores: "Is that right?"
Mrs. K' "Scrub the whole church,"
Delores: "So how old were you then'?"
MrsK: " I was about 18 I suppose, 170r1S"
Delores: "Yeah, and you did that, 110 questions asked"
Mrs.K: "NO"
Delores: "Okay, what about the fishery, how was, was your father in the tisheJy?"
Mrs. K: "My father was in the tisheI)'. "
Delores: "And your father's name was James?"
Mrs. K: "James Cadigan"
Delores: "Yeah, and so ah what would he do, catch the fish and bring them ..... ?"
Mrs. K: "Catch fish, there was no selling, of green fish at that time, you used to have to dry the
tlsh, and sell the tillh, they sell the green fish now, they bring it out and sell it from door to door. "
Delores: "Right, so when you say green fish, you mean fresh tlsh?"
Mrs. K: "Bullater in years, later in years you could, lake the fish right out from the trap and bring
it up in the boot up to Kitty Vitty, and you could sell it green as we used 10 call it, but before thaI
happened you had to cure it all yourself, clean it dry it and salt it and dry it OIl the tlake and sell it
as salt fish."
Delores: "So would you help your father'!"
MIs. K: "Oh yes, everyone, even the children would have to help .•
Delores: "Is that right?, so like how many brothers did you have?"
Mrs K: • 5 brothers"
Delores; • 5 brothers, and you , and Dadden, which is James, would ab ... "
Mrs. K; "and mother"
Delores; H and mother would help too, so mother was Rebecca Cadigan, and she was Rebecc.1
Dyer before she got married. My God it was defefinetly a family event wasn't it, everyone
helped out?"
Mrs. K; " Oh yes, everyone helped out"
Delores; "So what about the argiculture, did you grow you own vegetables?"
Mrs. K: "Grow all our own vegetables"
Delores: • Did yah?"
Mrs. K: "Everything, potatoes, turnips, cabbage, carrots. "
Delores: "And you'd have to weed the garden and everything?"
Mrs. K: "And weed the gardens, and plow, and the horse would plow"
Delores: " Did you do the plowing too?"
Mrs. K: "No, my tather and my brothers did"
Delores: "They had you do the weeding"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, and digginpotatoes."
Delores: "So would you sell them after or keep them all?"
Mrs. K: NOh no we'd sell them"
Delores: "Is that right?"
Mrs. K; "We'd keep enough for your own for the winter"
Delores; ·So would you keep them in a cellar'l"
Mrs. K; "Put them in a cellar, yeah."
Delores; "My God, so would you rear Iivestock'l"
Mrs. K. NOh yes, we had all kinds."
Delores: "Did you?"
Mrs. K: "We had hens, and ducks, and geese, and there were sheep and goats."
Delores: "And would you Bell any of that or just keep it am"
Mrs. K: "We would sell ifwe wanted to Bell it , sell it if we had enough for ourselves, we always
had enough for ourselves"
Delores: "How would you bring your Bupplies to the city?"
Mrs. K: "We would bring it by horse and cart."
Delores: • Horse and cart. "
Mrs. K: "There were'nt may cars on the go then"
Delores: "Is that right, and would ah so that would be ways tOr Dadden, which was James to
bring in money, how would mother, which is Rebecca, how would she bring in?"
Mrs. K: "Oh we took in laundry, that belonged to people in Sf. John's"
Delores: "Did yah?"
Mrs. K : "We went out Friday evening, and we laid out laundry, and pick up a load and bring it
back next Friday'
Delores: "And how would you wash that?"
Mrs. K: "Wash it in a tub, in the tub and on a wash board and hand wringer, and dry it outdoors,
they loved their clothes dried outdoors. "
Delores: "Yes, I heard thats why they employeed people from the country, because they enjoyed
the fresh smelling laundry that they brought back."
Mrs. K: rlyeah, there was no such thing, no such thing itS u. dryCi wushers or Gt,·CjS lit that time. If
Delores: "No"
Mrs. K: "And you would bring the water from the well, hall it up on a rope by the bucket."
Delores: "My God make no wonder your so strong, Ah okay, now sports, what did you do for
entertainment. "
~.1rs . K: "WeI! there was no such thing a.~ television, which is one routine tl>~'tt ha.~ all the young
fellows spoiled today. All the children are lumed. We had our OwIi enteJmiwuent., you kno~v \ve
had, \ve played hop-scotc~ and piggly, and hide-and- seek, they call it ~pct-lite, nc\v \ve called it
hide-and-seek, and winter time we'd skating the ponds, parking lot or pond or gomebody would
throw a drop of water down and let it freeze hard. "
Delores: "So you'd make your own rink?"
Mm. K: "Make your own rink"
Delores: "So YOll had no skating rinb, for example like Memorial Statium1"
Mm. K: "NO WAY, and then we had our own slides made, never buy a slide we'd have to make
our own slide, make your own skis and hockey sticks."
Delores: "Go way, my God they were certainly really inventative, weren't they, they say necessity
is the mother of inventions."
Mrs. K: "Cole ~a great carpenter'
Delores: "Was he?"
Mrs. K: "Oh yes, he'd made sleds, hockey sticks, skis, or anything. "
Delores: "Excellent, so obviously he kept up the tmde because he built homes."
Mrs. K: ' Oh yes, he built homes, Cole ~ great.'
Delores: "Ah what about the military, any of your relatives join the war, not join the war but go to
war?'
Mrs. K: 'Oh yes, yeah, two uncles, that went to war.'
Delore.s: "What were there names?'
Mrs. K: "My mother's brother William Dyer, and my tather's brother Tommy Cadig81l'
Delores: " Oh go way.'
Mrs. K: 'They got torpedoed go'in across"
Delores: " My God, I must check and make sure their namelJ are on the militaIy list." Okay now
that was when you were a child, now what year did you get married?'
Mrs. K: "1940"
Delores: "1940, and how many children did you have?'
Mrs. K: I ....
Deloroo; "How many gir18 7"
Mrs. K: "8 girls, and I boy."
Delores; " Oh my God, and ah .... "
Mrs. K: "Well, I had 10 all together"
Delore,~; "10 all togther. and Patrick died, thals the older one."
Mrs. K: "Yes Patrick died'
Delores: "My God, and yes on one hand I'm the interviewer, and on the other hand I know exactly
what you're talking about because I lived with you ____ . but a.h so an the lifestyle that you lived lIS a
young person, before you got married I should say a.h is almost like the same Jifestlye as wh en you
got married?'
Mrs. K: "Oh yeah ,yeah _ ."
Delores: "Because you did continue to do it alt?"
Mrs. K: "yes, yes, look after the children, same as when I looked after my OWll mothers home,
because I was the older. "
Delores: " Yes !hats right and you married __ .?"
Mrs. K: "Pat Kinsella"
Delores: "So Where did dad live when he was young?"
Mrs. K: "He lived just doWll from where I live now, just doWll , the Illedow frollll.j;tather , the
hou&e is &till there. "
Delores: " So you live on Kinsella's Lane, !hats right so dad kind of took 011 the same role as your
tather did, fishing and farming and things. "
Mrs. K: ri Yes, he used to fish and so on and frum and in the woods, whattever brought in money,
whatever brought in a cheque. "
Delores;" So all, oh yes sports , I should have asked you, I remember onftime you said Dadden
which is James Cadigan your father, he won a medal a.h for rowing didn'nt he'~ "
~~1Is . K: "In the Regatta, yes, I still got that medal"
Delores: "You have that medal, oh so one day you might even donate that to the mueum?"
Mm. K: "Oh I don't know about that."
Delores: "But ah, so ah, 9: 13 was the big event in rowing, so yeah the tradition is still on in
rowing, the Outer Cove crew still wanting to have the title ofwinning~"
Mrs. K: .. I have a grandson thats rowing, rowing in the youngsters race. Lucas Coady"
DeloreR: .. Yes, thats right."
Mrs. K- • He rowed thi.~ past couple of years"
Delores: 'So its still there"
Mrs. K : "And my OWll brother Coleman he used to row in the regatta."
Delores: "Oh did he?"
Mrs. K : "Oh yeah"
Delores: "So what about, okay we covered when you got 1IliI1'ried and the lifestyle that you grew
up with, was the same as when you got 1IliI1'ried kind of thing, ah !heres a place down at the Oceau
Science Center, as it's known today, but years ago it was called th.e Rooms, wasil'! it?"
Mrs. K: "yeah"
Delores: "and it was called the Spa"
r..1rs. K : .. Oh the Spa!"
Delores: "What do you know about that?"
MrS. K : "11le Spa was really an important thing years ago, people used to come from away to take
water from the spa, and to test it and they brought it away and they tested by the people who
brought it away, and they brought it back and said it was exactly the same water, but when the lab
went down there, and they put the road through, and we had min, all the salt off of the road washed
down into the spa and filled it up. So we know exactly where the spa is too, but it's all filled up
with sand. They're really should be some kind of a project put to work, seeing if we can open it
up."
Delores: "Yeah, the museum, the hertiage c{)mmittee iR ah looking at that 8S well, but ali you know
it's importlUlt, but we gol to go about it the right way .•
Mrs. K: "Oh Yeah"
Delores: " Bul we got to tIy to get (like you said you know where it is IUld whatever), get some
poople down to shoVo'US exactly where it is IUld work fonn there. But what was so special about
the water?"
Mrs. K: "The water, was well a really good kind of water, whatever it WM, and said there W/iS
cure in il poople would come /IUd get it in bottles, for to if they were sick they'd driDJ: th", W1!Wf,
drink 80 much of the water all the time"
Delores: "Like a mimcle water7"
Mrs. K : .. Like a miracle water, there was write ups in the paper about that, about the spa."
Delores: "We have a little intbmUluon about that, but its just that I'm sure theres more out there
it's just that we haven't tapped into the right resources."
Mrs. K: "They put the road too close 10 the spa, they should have but some sort of a barrier there
to keep the sand from gotng in and filling It up. '
Delores: 'Yeah, yeah, thats right, must check up on that. Are there any other events that happened
in the community that you feel should be recorded III the musewn?"
Mrs. K : "Oh one time a man came down from st. John's, and when they were on the ice, and the
ice starting drifting off and there was no way they could get in off the pan of ice, and my tather and
Patty Malone and Mike Cadigan and a few of the other boys got a dory and rescued em' off the pan
ofice."
Delores: "What year was !lUlt?"
Mrs. K. "Oh I couldu't reatly say what year it was but it must be up in the fifues ."
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs. K: "That is in the paper, that is in a newspaper, but I'll get the newspaper, but it got that old
it fell apart like."
Delores: • Okay we should follow up on that"
Mrs. K: "But you could get the date off the newspaper it should be in the archives"
Delores: " Okay"
?>rlrs K: "'There's a picture in il and evcl)1.hing"
De!r'I1w " Okay we'll prot'lloly get the student~ during the slimmer to check it"
Mrs. K' "A man's life was saved thai day."
Delores' "Yes, that. an important evenl, thats right. Do you think that having a museum in our
community is a worthwhile venture kind of thing""
?v1rs. K: "Oh I think so, I think its go'in to mean a lot, you know, in ye.m; to come, because there'~
not that many old people left now up in the 80'., and 85 , and MOund my age, l:>ec"use the young
crowd growing up now don't know 1 thing about the way their grandparents made a living, "
Delores: "No we call't remte to tb!lt"
Mrs. K: "They can't relate to how hard tIle)' worked, because compared now to years to go the
crowd now is not working at all. "
Delores: "It's more mentally now, then physically'
Mrs. K: 'Yeah, yeah, tIleres no ah hard work today, not like there was years ago."
Delore~. " Yeah I can .ee wher.: your going"
Mrs. K: "I mean you go building houses, years ago, for instances the frame house tIley had to dIg
out the toundation ,'lith the pick and shovel, there was no such thing as bnll-dozers or back-hoes or
anything like that It was all done WltIl mAnual labour."
Delores: "We did'nt need gymnasium or physical Illness centers because they worked at it
evetyday."
Mrs. K. "111 teU you they weren't many metl or WOmetl went to go walking betore they went to
work in the morning, theres no such thing as having to go for a walk for exercise, there was aU
kinds of it aroUlJd youc own place."
Delores. "And if you wet'en'l working at your own house you were helping sOlUeone else?"
Mrs, K: "Yes, yes, that's right, someone else was there, thats another thing no one helps you today,
except they're gettin paid, because years ago a man started a house, to build a honse, and man next
was'nt doin anything for plea.~ure he'd go and help that man, and give him a hand and help him out,
no queatioDs asked, not so today,"
Delores: "No, T think everyone's living by the vigil clock today, Now there must be some old, I
remember years you talked about the fairies, and old stories and that thing, tell us about the
faires?"
Mrs. K: "Well, you may not believe me, but it's the God's honest truth, myself and my brother.!
came com'in down through Roche's meadow up there . "
Delores: " Where's Roche's meadow from where we are now today?"
Mrs. K: "Up where Miss JackRon liveR."
Delores: "Oh Okay, Mi~s Jackson's new house,"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "Okay'
Mrs_ K: "Just as, _____ no 11leresa Roche up that way."
Delores: "Theresa Jackson's old house, so where 11leresa Roche lives now, yes okay."
Mrs. K. "So we were com"in down trom Anthony's Pond, !heres a pond up there ca11t:d Anthony's
Pond thats where we would skate years ago up on the back of Jillls_"
Delores: • Jim Cadigan"
Mrs. K: 'Yeah, and we were com'in dO\\~l there meselflllld me bfOthec_"
Delores: "Which brother Wlis that?"
Mrs. K : "Patsy"
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs_ K. "Just betore, ___ between dusk and daylight in the evening, and we cru:ue dom}, come
down along the great big wall, rock wall, we were com'in down by the trees and could just see and
there were three little fellows dane'in up the wall, hop, they'd dance and they'd hop, and they'd
dance and they'd hop they were just like little eltk That's the truth_"
Delores: "What did you do?"
Mrs. K: "They're !'aires they were."
Delores: "And what did you do'?"
Mrs, K: "Put the sign of the cross on em."
Delores- "On them or you?"
Mrs. K: "On them. "
Delores: "Did you'l"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "And did you mn?"
Mn. K: "No, no we didn't run, no , they just disappeared, put the sign of the cross on them and
they disappered. "
Delores' • Did Pat.")' soo them too?"
Mrs. K: "Oh yeah!"
Delores: "00 way, so what du that mean, were they try'in to tell you something?"
Mrs. K: "I don't know by, we never see, it was the first and the last time we ever see anything
like that"
Delores: "Go way, uow did you tell your parents when you weut hume?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores. "What did they say?"
Mrs. K:. "Told em', they had lots of worries, ................... tlley really did'nt think it twas true"
Delores: "So did you ever mention it to Patsy after?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
DeloJ'es: "00 way, and what about, did anyone else ever see it?"
Mrs. K: "No, no never taught of it and anotller time on Logy Bay Road, there's never no houses
tIlere out tile road, never no houses out there years ngo. "
Delores: "So where will be talking now?"
Mm. K: "Where tile store is .•
Delores: "Ah that cycle shop thats out there now."
Mm. K: "No right out there by Stokes'."
Delores' "Okay, Yes, yes.
Mm. K: "n WlIR all covered by trees there was no .. .. "
DeloIllS ' ·U p by Captain, up by Qlli~k Shop?"
Mrs. K "Yes. years ago we'd be afraid ofyouc life to go up thai way at nite because there was'nl
lites on the pole at that time and no cars or anything on the go, no molor cars. and years ago they
slaled at that time it was .1 dreay place, and often heard mudder say that this casket, this coffin
came right IICroSS the road, casket was on the ro.,d and you could'nt !AUg it. ..
Delores: "And who told you all that?"
Mrs. K: "You could'Ilt pass it"
Delores: "Oh so this happened to youc mother?"
Mrs. K: 'Yeah"
Delores: "00 way"
Mrs. K: "You couldn't pass it, and reached in the pocket and srud, 1_ord have mercy Oil your soul
and remember this', and itiust disappeared otlt!.e road."
Delores: "Go way, and was it a group of people that saw that?"
Mrs. K: "Not a group, no no group, two !Jt'Ople."
Delores: "Two people, go way."
Mrs. K. "Yeah, yeah, the pt:t'Sou wasn't dead, wasu't at rest, and you l'ut the sign oflhe cross on
them."
Delores: "So whoever saw the coffin put the person at rest."
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "So 1l0W do YOII thull: that the YOUllg children today will believe that?"
Mrs. K: "No ways!"
Delores: "But you believed it when you heard it, and you still believe it?"
Mrs. K- "On yes, yes definetely."
Delores' "What about father Dan, how was he. was he strict?"
Mr •. K: 'Oh my, if he told you to jump off the church, you'd jump off it."
Delores: "Is that right, so ah like r know years ago when father St. John
was down in, when we were young children, if we saw him coming toward~ us in his car we'd
bless oUI!lelves. What would you do if you saw Father Dltn coming towarcl you?"
Mrs. K; " On my, you'd .... ... bow down, you had to bow down to him"
Delores: "Did yah?"
Mrs. K; "Yeah, and then if you did'nt do it, he'd get up on the alter Sunday moming and
have a big sennon, and he'd even tell your name. "
Delores: "Gt> way."
Mrs. K: "Yeah, if you did anything to him Father Callahgan would get mad willI, and get up flnd
call your uame out up at the alter. "
Delores: "And all, did he ever ask anyone to leave Ille churc.h or anything?"
Mrs. K. "Oh yes, yeal!."
Delores: "Did he, he must have been very strict."
Mrs. K: "Yes he was strict, if you went in tLe church with your skirt to short ....
Delores. "He'd ask you to leave?"
Mrs. K. "Yeah"
Delores. "God"
Mrs. K. "Lipstick on or anythmg like that, gone."
Delores: "What about, I often heard you say about dance, like uyou met somewhere to go
dancing where would you go dance?"
Mrs. K: "House dance, people use to go to house dances."
Delore~ : "oh Yeah."
Mrs. K: "That was years ago people would give a house dance, asked your mother or father if
you have the house to give a dance, yeah we'd have II hou.~e dance, and fuen when the big school
was down there you'd have to dance clown in school'
Delores: "Yeah, and did you ever dance off the bridges ... :?"
Mrs K- "Oh we danced on the bridge, yes every Sunday nite .•
Delore~ : "EvelY Sunday nite, where would that bridge be now?"
Mrs. K: "EvelY Sunday nile and Wednesday nites. H
Delores: "And where would that bridge be now?"
Mrs. K: "That wa~ down by McDociden'."
Delores: "Where. that?"
Mr. K; "Thall) by, all where Nixie Power used to live, the bridge goes across over to Billy
Powers."
Delores: "\\Tho lives there today7"
Mrs. K : "Mnrgie Power and themuves over tltere"
Delores. "ill Outer Cove?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "I CI\.U't recall where .... "
Mrs. K: "Down on Miles tum"
Delores. "Miles turn, 110"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, we used to go down there thats where our crowd would meet."
Delores: "So is that close to say where,ah where not close 10 JOIUUle anu Glellli is it?"
Mrs. K : "No, you know down where you go up O'Neil's Road its just down past O'Neil's Road
where 11 goes across on the bridge."
Delores: "On the bridge, so thats where everyone dnored, so obviously it was'nt a road the11.·
Mrs. K: "Oh yes, 11 was a road"
Delores: "So you could dance on the road and the bridge."
Mrs. K- "No CMll then, bonfire lites and a hig bonfire dowu on the tum "
Delores: "L~ that right, now like what music would you dance to .. .. ...... .. .......... .
Mrs. K:
Delores· "Oh right, and where WlIR the other bridge that you danced on?"
Mrs, K; . """""""""""""""""""""""" and you had to be home by 10;30 Youhlld to be home at
your house at 10;30 at nite, no such thing as going out at 10;30 like they do now, we had to be
home lit J 0;30,
Delores; "Alright, I just thought of something else Mom. Whllt about the, when you would go
down to the rooms to live for the summer, tell me about that"
Mrs, K: "I guess the school would close in June, and we'd move down to the room~ \:>ec..'\\,se thatR
we're there all fishin down there,"
Delores: "Now was that your whole truruly, your mother, tather, .... "
Mrs. K. "The whole fru.utly, oh theres 12 more families down there"
Delores: "Is that nghl, what tanulies were they?"
Mrs. K: "Over 011 Cadignn's side, and we'd go down there iii June when school closed, bul we
stay down \here until! school opened up 1!l September."
Delores: "And what would you do, just close up your house?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, and we walked from down there, down to Outer Cove church, every SUllday
mOnllllg to mass, and walked back home, and back down to prayers agalll Sunday evenmg, at the.
church."
Delores: "And what other fami1es went down there with you?"
Mrs. K: ·Well our cousins Mlehen.el CadiglUl and nlomas Camgan, Patty Malone, nil their
families"
Delores: "So you were Oil Camgan's SIde and there was Dyer'~ side."
Mrs. K. "That's where spoils Oil the other side.·
Delores: "Right, and what other s,de?"
Mrs, K: "Ryan's Side,"
Delores: "RYllIl's Side. so who was Glenn Ryan's Ride?"
Mrs, K: "The Roches and the Deveraux, and all"" " .", they fished out on the Ryan's side!"
Delores; "Right. ann 011\ of the Dyer's Side it was the Kimella'R ann the." "
Mrs. K: "Kavanaghs, and ah Kavanagh~, there were II couplJof fllIllilies ofKllvanagh~, over there,
and over on the Cadigan'R .ide there WIIR JURt the Cadigan •• ahd Malones."
Delores: "So you would go down there from June to September]"
Mrs. K "Yeah"
Delores: "Then ah what wl'uld you live in, what would you call them?"
Mrs. K: "We used to call them. ah nl'w you wl'uld c.'ill them Co.'1hinR, lit that time they were c.<tlled
cook rooms. II
Delores: II Cook rooms?"
Mrs. K. "Yeah, they had a kitchen, thl'ee Of tour bedrOOIllll or just a bedl'oolll small bcdroolllii."
Delores: "Did you enJoy that ?"
Mn •. K. "Y,*,. lovely. uill crowd com" dowll in the nile time and sit around the ........ "
Delores: II And when you were down at the Rooms in the cookhouses, would you ;;till do the
laundry for the people III the city?"
Mrs. K : "Yes"
Delores: "Do the Sll1lle, wa;;h them, and you brought down your scrubbing boards, and yOU!' tub;;
and everything, and what about the ilOW; how did yuu llOU clothes?"
Mrs. K: "You had fl wood stove, and you'd put the trons on the stove, with the tron handle, all
hands would go on the stove and you'd heat tllClll on the stove. II
Delores: "So you'd have a couple of irons and jf one got cold you'd ........ "
Mrs. K: II A couple .... , we'd have about fl dozen."
Delores: "Would you?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, a dozen on the stl've"
Dleores: II My god, Mom w11.1t about roads, you mentioned the roads down by the bridge, that 1
never recalled before what WM the name l'fthat again?"
Mrs. K: "McDodden's."
Delores' "McDoddeu's. yes hut there WII. IlUl'ther name you mentioned there earlier. "
Mnl K: "Uiws tum."
Delores: "Y e.~, Laws tum, are there any other name~ that are no longer in the wlllll1Unity like
thai?"
lvfn<. K: "There's Old Barn Ro..'\d aml Conners Ro..,d which is downto the ro:\d down by the loom~
the Conners road j~ between Cadigan's Ro..'1d and over to the gulch and Ryan's Side where men use
to fish, theres neither thing down there now because it's grown over now, but it's Conner's Road
and Conners owned that place down there."
Delores: "And what about I remember you often saying about Gullages bridge?"
Mrs K: "Gully Bndge"
Delores. "Gully Bridge, oll yeaL, and all tlult was down arotllld rooms place?'
Mrs. K: "Gully Bndge was just down Wlder the hill."
Delores. "Okay"
Mrs. K: "Down under mudder's lull"
Delores. 'Yes, thats right, tlult hill used to be called Mhlu:rs I-Iill, and now thats prut uf the
l\1anne Drive. "
Mrs. K: "Yes, prut of the Mfinnt: On ve. '
Delores: "Yeah, what about the Americarul, when they were up on Red Clift, any stories about
them?"
Mrs. K. "Well CulemAn and them all used to go up on Red Clift, when they moved Jown to Red
Clift first (the Amencans), and there was a road going up to Red C1ifi, but when the Americans
went up there to Red Chft, the Americans moved the road, they moved the road and put a road
right up Red clift, but the Americans brought that laud tram folks going up to Rt:d Clift. "
Delores: "So !.hats how they got their passage way?"
Mrs. K- "Thats how they got their passage way"
Delores: "And thats called Red Clift Road tod,y'f"
Mrs. K: "ThaIs called Red Clift Road tod'lY."
Delores: "But the Americans often went ...... saying if they had fruit they'd come down and.. . '
Mrs. K. NOh yes, they did come down and in the summer they'd have a garden party, t.l"ley set up
tentR and tables ami they'd put on 1\ big show for Ihe ...... it was relilly nice"
Delores; "So they'd bring proRperity to the .... "
Mrs K- "1bey brought a Jot of work, a lot of work, sure all down in Pleasllnh-ille, they h"d all of
PleasantVI-lle down there "
Delores; "Oh alright Mom I think we covered a lot here today, and once again it was Mary
Kin~ella :ili that gave thi" interview and I'd like to thank Mom for taking the time and for being
thtlprst to allow the Hertill!/.e Committee to he 10 interview YOIl for the knowledge and the history
of the museum. Thank-you very much."
Mrs_ K: "Thank·you, you're welcome_"
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June3rd.4th, 1999
February 6, 2009 interview with Mrs. Mary Kinsella
Additional information for the original interview.
Additional information concerning Mmy Kinsella's story about the elves that she
saw as a child, and the coffin story.
Questions were asked by Donna Marie Kelly.
Delores Wheeler interviewed her mother again, regarding these questions.
Question: Do you remember how the elves were dressed? What did they look like?
How big were they?
Mary Kinsella: The elves were dressed in black and red leprechaun clothing, with
a hat. The boots had turned up toes. I couldn't see the face or ears. They were
about 3" tall.
Question: How were they dancing?
Mary Kinsella: They were skipping and hopping along the rock wall. Their arms
were flopping around. They were there one minute and they just disappeared the
next. It was like they disappeared up in the air.
Question: In the coffin story, you said that the woman put her hands in her pocket?
Why did she do that? Did she have something in her pocket?
Mrs. Kinsella: The coffin story is one that my mother told me and maybe her
mother told her. The woman took out her rosary beads out of her pocket, and put
the sign of the cross on the casket. After that the casket disappeared.

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INTERVIEW Willi MARY KINSELLA
MAY 29, 1999
CONDUCTED BY DELORES WHEELER
" I decided to interview Mro. Mruy Y.in,~ella, who is my mother, l\.1rs, Kinsella will be the wt
Benoir eitzen to have been interviewed in the community. "
" Okay Mom, thi.~ is just a very infoIIllilI interview;"
Delores; "How long have you lived in the community of Logy Bay, Middle Cove, and Outer
Cove'?"
Mrs. K.: • Since I was born, I~n 79"
Delores: " So you have been in this community 79 years"
Mrs K : " yeah"
Delores: "So you've got lots of good intonnation tor us, I can tell. Where was your parents home
located?"
Mrs. K: 'My parents home was located on Logy Bay. Logy Bay which is now the Marine Drive. "
Delores: "Okay what was it called when you were small?"
Mrs. K: "It was called over by Cadigans's cross."
Delores: "Cadigan's cross, oh so now you go down Cadigan's road and you go now Marine
Drive?"
Mrs. K: "yeah"
Delores: "I see, and was it the typical older home, was it a two story or a bungalow?"
Mrs. K: "It was two story. '
Delores; "and is it Btill standing today?"
Mrs. K; "No, it was taken down, about 10 years ago."
Delorell' "Okay, so it was prohably 60 odd years old when it was tom down'?"
Mrs. K: "I suppose. "
Delores: "Yeah, so what home is in that location now""
Mrs. K: "Ah, my newphew's have two homes over there"
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs. K: "Raymond and Tony Cadigan"
Delores: "Oh, very good, that was nice. Mom in our romrnunity we have 5 themes, and I'm going
to list the themes now, and we are going to talk about each one as it relates to your life. One theme
the lifestyle which includes the church, another is the fishery, the nrgiculture, the sports, the
military. How does these themes relates to your lifestyle, during, all when you were younger, what
was your lifestyle like as you were growing up, did you , when you were going to school and this
type of thing, where did you go to school?"
Mrs. K: ·Well, I went to school in Logy Bay·
Delores: "Okay, was there a .....
Mrs. K : "Out by Stokes on Cadigan's Road, in Logy Bay"
Delores: " Is that where Mr. Ted Ozon lives now7"
Mrs. K: "That's right. "
Delores: "Okay, and was it a very hig school?"
Mrs. K: "Yes, a nice school"
Delores: "Yeah, like what 1 to 8 ?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, 1 to 8"
Delores: "Yeah, okay, ah what about church, did you attend church?"
Mrs. K: "OH YES, we had to attend church, the generation of that day was very religious."
Delores: "Aha"
Mrs K.: "Not like the generation of today"
Delores: "You find that the religion is nol as it important as it was years ago?"
Mrs K: "No, bec..'1use they're not taught enough about religion"
Delores: "Okay, and ah, do you feel that there was more respect years ago?"
Mrs K: "There W!IlI more respect for the pries\.~ and the nUI1~, and more respect for the church,
and when we were going to receive holy communion you had to filst from rnidnite."
Delores: "So you weren't allowed to have any breakfust'l"
Mrs. K; "Were'nt allowed to have anything not even a drink of water, until we came home from
mass that morning"
Delores: • So would you get 9. ride to church?"
Mrs. K: "No, we walked."
Delores: "You walked to church"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, we walked, there was no such thing as a ride then"
Delores: "Oh my God, and would like everyone have to go once 9. week.?"
tvfis. K: "Every Sunday, we walked for three miles to church, to and from .. "
Delores: "And did you, I remember one time you mentioned you used to go down and clean up the
church?"
?v1rs.K: "Oh yes, there was a group of us we had to take turns, we had a group of our own, take
two weeks on and two weeks off, deauning up tlle church, sweep the church, and dust it and keep
it clean"
Delores: • Oh that was nice"
Mrs K: "It was n11 volunteers"
Delores: "Yeah, sounds nice"
Mrs.K: ·Went up twice a year, we had to scrub the church.·
Delores: "Is that right?"
Mrs. K' "Scrub the whole church,"
Delores: "So how old were you then'?"
MrsK: " I was about 18 I suppose, 170r1S"
Delores: "Yeah, and you did that, 110 questions asked"
Mrs.K: "NO"
Delores: "Okay, what about the fishery, how was, was your father in the tisheJy?"
Mrs. K: "My father was in the tisheI)'. "
Delores: "And your father's name was James?"
Mrs. K: "James Cadigan"
Delores: "Yeah, and so ah what would he do, catch the fish and bring them ..... ?"
Mrs. K: "Catch fish, there was no selling, of green fish at that time, you used to have to dry the
tlsh, and sell the tillh, they sell the green fish now, they bring it out and sell it from door to door. "
Delores: "Right, so when you say green fish, you mean fresh tlsh?"
Mrs. K: "Bullater in years, later in years you could, lake the fish right out from the trap and bring
it up in the boot up to Kitty Vitty, and you could sell it green as we used 10 call it, but before thaI
happened you had to cure it all yourself, clean it dry it and salt it and dry it OIl the tlake and sell it
as salt fish."
Delores: "So would you help your father'!"
MIs. K: "Oh yes, everyone, even the children would have to help .•
Delores: "Is that right?, so like how many brothers did you have?"
Mrs K: • 5 brothers"
Delores; • 5 brothers, and you , and Dadden, which is James, would ab ... "
Mrs. K; "and mother"
Delores; H and mother would help too, so mother was Rebecca Cadigan, and she was Rebecc.1
Dyer before she got married. My God it was defefinetly a family event wasn't it, everyone
helped out?"
Mrs. K; " Oh yes, everyone helped out"
Delores; "So what about the argiculture, did you grow you own vegetables?"
Mrs. K: "Grow all our own vegetables"
Delores: • Did yah?"
Mrs. K: "Everything, potatoes, turnips, cabbage, carrots. "
Delores: "And you'd have to weed the garden and everything?"
Mrs. K: "And weed the gardens, and plow, and the horse would plow"
Delores: " Did you do the plowing too?"
Mrs. K: "No, my tather and my brothers did"
Delores: "They had you do the weeding"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, and digginpotatoes."
Delores: "So would you sell them after or keep them all?"
Mrs. K: NOh no we'd sell them"
Delores: "Is that right?"
Mrs. K; "We'd keep enough for your own for the winter"
Delores; ·So would you keep them in a cellar'l"
Mrs. K; "Put them in a cellar, yeah."
Delores; "My God, so would you rear Iivestock'l"
Mrs. K. NOh yes, we had all kinds."
Delores: "Did you?"
Mrs. K: "We had hens, and ducks, and geese, and there were sheep and goats."
Delores: "And would you Bell any of that or just keep it am"
Mrs. K: "We would sell ifwe wanted to Bell it , sell it if we had enough for ourselves, we always
had enough for ourselves"
Delores: "How would you bring your Bupplies to the city?"
Mrs. K: "We would bring it by horse and cart."
Delores: • Horse and cart. "
Mrs. K: "There were'nt may cars on the go then"
Delores: "Is that right, and would ah so that would be ways tOr Dadden, which was James to
bring in money, how would mother, which is Rebecca, how would she bring in?"
Mrs. K: "Oh we took in laundry, that belonged to people in Sf. John's"
Delores: "Did yah?"
Mrs. K : "We went out Friday evening, and we laid out laundry, and pick up a load and bring it
back next Friday'
Delores: "And how would you wash that?"
Mrs. K: "Wash it in a tub, in the tub and on a wash board and hand wringer, and dry it outdoors,
they loved their clothes dried outdoors. "
Delores: "Yes, I heard thats why they employeed people from the country, because they enjoyed
the fresh smelling laundry that they brought back."
Mrs. K: rlyeah, there was no such thing, no such thing itS u. dryCi wushers or Gt,·CjS lit that time. If
Delores: "No"
Mrs. K: "And you would bring the water from the well, hall it up on a rope by the bucket."
Delores: "My God make no wonder your so strong, Ah okay, now sports, what did you do for
entertainment. "
~.1rs . K: "WeI! there was no such thing a.~ television, which is one routine tl>~'tt ha.~ all the young
fellows spoiled today. All the children are lumed. We had our OwIi enteJmiwuent., you kno~v \ve
had, \ve played hop-scotc~ and piggly, and hide-and- seek, they call it ~pct-lite, nc\v \ve called it
hide-and-seek, and winter time we'd skating the ponds, parking lot or pond or gomebody would
throw a drop of water down and let it freeze hard. "
Delores: "So you'd make your own rink?"
Mm. K: "Make your own rink"
Delores: "So YOll had no skating rinb, for example like Memorial Statium1"
Mm. K: "NO WAY, and then we had our own slides made, never buy a slide we'd have to make
our own slide, make your own skis and hockey sticks."
Delores: "Go way, my God they were certainly really inventative, weren't they, they say necessity
is the mother of inventions."
Mrs. K: "Cole ~a great carpenter'
Delores: "Was he?"
Mrs. K: "Oh yes, he'd made sleds, hockey sticks, skis, or anything. "
Delores: "Excellent, so obviously he kept up the tmde because he built homes."
Mrs. K: ' Oh yes, he built homes, Cole ~ great.'
Delores: "Ah what about the military, any of your relatives join the war, not join the war but go to
war?'
Mrs. K: 'Oh yes, yeah, two uncles, that went to war.'
Delore.s: "What were there names?'
Mrs. K: "My mother's brother William Dyer, and my tather's brother Tommy Cadig81l'
Delores: " Oh go way.'
Mrs. K: 'They got torpedoed go'in across"
Delores: " My God, I must check and make sure their namelJ are on the militaIy list." Okay now
that was when you were a child, now what year did you get married?'
Mrs. K: "1940"
Delores: "1940, and how many children did you have?'
Mrs. K: I ....
Deloroo; "How many gir18 7"
Mrs. K: "8 girls, and I boy."
Delores; " Oh my God, and ah .... "
Mrs. K: "Well, I had 10 all together"
Delore,~; "10 all togther. and Patrick died, thals the older one."
Mrs. K: "Yes Patrick died'
Delores: "My God, and yes on one hand I'm the interviewer, and on the other hand I know exactly
what you're talking about because I lived with you ____ . but a.h so an the lifestyle that you lived lIS a
young person, before you got married I should say a.h is almost like the same Jifestlye as wh en you
got married?'
Mrs. K: "Oh yeah ,yeah _ ."
Delores: "Because you did continue to do it alt?"
Mrs. K: "yes, yes, look after the children, same as when I looked after my OWll mothers home,
because I was the older. "
Delores: " Yes !hats right and you married __ .?"
Mrs. K: "Pat Kinsella"
Delores: "So Where did dad live when he was young?"
Mrs. K: "He lived just doWll from where I live now, just doWll , the Illedow frollll.j;tather , the
hou&e is &till there. "
Delores: " So you live on Kinsella's Lane, !hats right so dad kind of took 011 the same role as your
tather did, fishing and farming and things. "
Mrs. K: ri Yes, he used to fish and so on and frum and in the woods, whattever brought in money,
whatever brought in a cheque. "
Delores;" So all, oh yes sports , I should have asked you, I remember onftime you said Dadden
which is James Cadigan your father, he won a medal a.h for rowing didn'nt he'~ "
~~1Is . K: "In the Regatta, yes, I still got that medal"
Delores: "You have that medal, oh so one day you might even donate that to the mueum?"
Mm. K: "Oh I don't know about that."
Delores: "But ah, so ah, 9: 13 was the big event in rowing, so yeah the tradition is still on in
rowing, the Outer Cove crew still wanting to have the title ofwinning~"
Mrs. K: .. I have a grandson thats rowing, rowing in the youngsters race. Lucas Coady"
DeloreR: .. Yes, thats right."
Mrs. K- • He rowed thi.~ past couple of years"
Delores: 'So its still there"
Mrs. K : "And my OWll brother Coleman he used to row in the regatta."
Delores: "Oh did he?"
Mrs. K : "Oh yeah"
Delores: "So what about, okay we covered when you got 1IliI1'ried and the lifestyle that you grew
up with, was the same as when you got 1IliI1'ried kind of thing, ah !heres a place down at the Oceau
Science Center, as it's known today, but years ago it was called th.e Rooms, wasil'! it?"
Mrs. K: "yeah"
Delores: "and it was called the Spa"
r..1rs. K : .. Oh the Spa!"
Delores: "What do you know about that?"
MrS. K : "11le Spa was really an important thing years ago, people used to come from away to take
water from the spa, and to test it and they brought it away and they tested by the people who
brought it away, and they brought it back and said it was exactly the same water, but when the lab
went down there, and they put the road through, and we had min, all the salt off of the road washed
down into the spa and filled it up. So we know exactly where the spa is too, but it's all filled up
with sand. They're really should be some kind of a project put to work, seeing if we can open it
up."
Delores: "Yeah, the museum, the hertiage c{)mmittee iR ah looking at that 8S well, but ali you know
it's importlUlt, but we gol to go about it the right way .•
Mrs. K: "Oh Yeah"
Delores: " Bul we got to tIy to get (like you said you know where it is IUld whatever), get some
poople down to shoVo'US exactly where it is IUld work fonn there. But what was so special about
the water?"
Mrs. K: "The water, was well a really good kind of water, whatever it WM, and said there W/iS
cure in il poople would come /IUd get it in bottles, for to if they were sick they'd driDJ: th", W1!Wf,
drink 80 much of the water all the time"
Delores: "Like a mimcle water7"
Mrs. K : .. Like a miracle water, there was write ups in the paper about that, about the spa."
Delores: "We have a little intbmUluon about that, but its just that I'm sure theres more out there
it's just that we haven't tapped into the right resources."
Mrs. K: "They put the road too close 10 the spa, they should have but some sort of a barrier there
to keep the sand from gotng in and filling It up. '
Delores: 'Yeah, yeah, thats right, must check up on that. Are there any other events that happened
in the community that you feel should be recorded III the musewn?"
Mrs. K : "Oh one time a man came down from st. John's, and when they were on the ice, and the
ice starting drifting off and there was no way they could get in off the pan of ice, and my tather and
Patty Malone and Mike Cadigan and a few of the other boys got a dory and rescued em' off the pan
ofice."
Delores: "What year was !lUlt?"
Mrs. K. "Oh I couldu't reatly say what year it was but it must be up in the fifues ."
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs. K: "That is in the paper, that is in a newspaper, but I'll get the newspaper, but it got that old
it fell apart like."
Delores: • Okay we should follow up on that"
Mrs. K: "But you could get the date off the newspaper it should be in the archives"
Delores: " Okay"
?>rlrs K: "'There's a picture in il and evcl)1.hing"
De!r'I1w " Okay we'll prot'lloly get the student~ during the slimmer to check it"
Mrs. K' "A man's life was saved thai day."
Delores' "Yes, that. an important evenl, thats right. Do you think that having a museum in our
community is a worthwhile venture kind of thing""
?v1rs. K: "Oh I think so, I think its go'in to mean a lot, you know, in ye.m; to come, because there'~
not that many old people left now up in the 80'., and 85 , and MOund my age, l:>ec"use the young
crowd growing up now don't know 1 thing about the way their grandparents made a living, "
Delores: "No we call't remte to tb!lt"
Mrs. K: "They can't relate to how hard tIle)' worked, because compared now to years to go the
crowd now is not working at all. "
Delores: "It's more mentally now, then physically'
Mrs. K: 'Yeah, yeah, tIleres no ah hard work today, not like there was years ago."
Delore~. " Yeah I can .ee wher.: your going"
Mrs. K: "I mean you go building houses, years ago, for instances the frame house tIley had to dIg
out the toundation ,'lith the pick and shovel, there was no such thing as bnll-dozers or back-hoes or
anything like that It was all done WltIl mAnual labour."
Delores: "We did'nt need gymnasium or physical Illness centers because they worked at it
evetyday."
Mrs. K. "111 teU you they weren't many metl or WOmetl went to go walking betore they went to
work in the morning, theres no such thing as having to go for a walk for exercise, there was aU
kinds of it aroUlJd youc own place."
Delores. "And if you wet'en'l working at your own house you were helping sOlUeone else?"
Mrs, K: "Yes, yes, that's right, someone else was there, thats another thing no one helps you today,
except they're gettin paid, because years ago a man started a house, to build a honse, and man next
was'nt doin anything for plea.~ure he'd go and help that man, and give him a hand and help him out,
no queatioDs asked, not so today,"
Delores: "No, T think everyone's living by the vigil clock today, Now there must be some old, I
remember years you talked about the fairies, and old stories and that thing, tell us about the
faires?"
Mrs. K: "Well, you may not believe me, but it's the God's honest truth, myself and my brother.!
came com'in down through Roche's meadow up there . "
Delores: " Where's Roche's meadow from where we are now today?"
Mrs. K: "Up where Miss JackRon liveR."
Delores: "Oh Okay, Mi~s Jackson's new house,"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "Okay'
Mrs_ K: "Just as, _____ no 11leresa Roche up that way."
Delores: "Theresa Jackson's old house, so where 11leresa Roche lives now, yes okay."
Mrs. K. "So we were com"in down trom Anthony's Pond, !heres a pond up there ca11t:d Anthony's
Pond thats where we would skate years ago up on the back of Jillls_"
Delores: • Jim Cadigan"
Mrs. K: 'Yeah, and we were com'in dO\\~l there meselflllld me bfOthec_"
Delores: "Which brother Wlis that?"
Mrs. K : "Patsy"
Delores: "Okay"
Mrs_ K. "Just betore, ___ between dusk and daylight in the evening, and we cru:ue dom}, come
down along the great big wall, rock wall, we were com'in down by the trees and could just see and
there were three little fellows dane'in up the wall, hop, they'd dance and they'd hop, and they'd
dance and they'd hop they were just like little eltk That's the truth_"
Delores: "What did you do?"
Mrs. K: "They're !'aires they were."
Delores: "And what did you do'?"
Mrs, K: "Put the sign of the cross on em."
Delores- "On them or you?"
Mrs. K: "On them. "
Delores: "Did you'l"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "And did you mn?"
Mn. K: "No, no we didn't run, no , they just disappeared, put the sign of the cross on them and
they disappered. "
Delores' • Did Pat.")' soo them too?"
Mrs. K: "Oh yeah!"
Delores: "00 way, so what du that mean, were they try'in to tell you something?"
Mrs. K: "I don't know by, we never see, it was the first and the last time we ever see anything
like that"
Delores: "Go way, uow did you tell your parents when you weut hume?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores. "What did they say?"
Mrs. K:. "Told em', they had lots of worries, ................... tlley really did'nt think it twas true"
Delores: "So did you ever mention it to Patsy after?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
DeloJ'es: "00 way, and what about, did anyone else ever see it?"
Mrs. K: "No, no never taught of it and anotller time on Logy Bay Road, there's never no houses
tIlere out tile road, never no houses out there years ngo. "
Delores: "So where will be talking now?"
Mm. K: "Where tile store is .•
Delores: "Ah that cycle shop thats out there now."
Mm. K: "No right out there by Stokes'."
Delores' "Okay, Yes, yes.
Mm. K: "n WlIR all covered by trees there was no .. .. "
DeloIllS ' ·U p by Captain, up by Qlli~k Shop?"
Mrs. K "Yes. years ago we'd be afraid ofyouc life to go up thai way at nite because there was'nl
lites on the pole at that time and no cars or anything on the go, no molor cars. and years ago they
slaled at that time it was .1 dreay place, and often heard mudder say that this casket, this coffin
came right IICroSS the road, casket was on the ro.,d and you could'nt !AUg it. ..
Delores: "And who told you all that?"
Mrs. K: "You could'Ilt pass it"
Delores: "Oh so this happened to youc mother?"
Mrs. K: 'Yeah"
Delores: "00 way"
Mrs. K: "You couldn't pass it, and reached in the pocket and srud, 1_ord have mercy Oil your soul
and remember this', and itiust disappeared otlt!.e road."
Delores: "Go way, and was it a group of people that saw that?"
Mrs. K: "Not a group, no no group, two !Jt'Ople."
Delores: "Two people, go way."
Mrs. K. "Yeah, yeah, the pt:t'Sou wasn't dead, wasu't at rest, and you l'ut the sign oflhe cross on
them."
Delores: "So whoever saw the coffin put the person at rest."
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "So 1l0W do YOII thull: that the YOUllg children today will believe that?"
Mrs. K: "No ways!"
Delores: "But you believed it when you heard it, and you still believe it?"
Mrs. K- "On yes, yes definetely."
Delores' "What about father Dan, how was he. was he strict?"
Mr •. K: 'Oh my, if he told you to jump off the church, you'd jump off it."
Delores: "Is that right, so ah like r know years ago when father St. John
was down in, when we were young children, if we saw him coming toward~ us in his car we'd
bless oUI!lelves. What would you do if you saw Father Dltn coming towarcl you?"
Mrs. K; " On my, you'd .... ... bow down, you had to bow down to him"
Delores: "Did yah?"
Mrs. K; "Yeah, and then if you did'nt do it, he'd get up on the alter Sunday moming and
have a big sennon, and he'd even tell your name. "
Delores: "Gt> way."
Mrs. K: "Yeah, if you did anything to him Father Callahgan would get mad willI, and get up flnd
call your uame out up at the alter. "
Delores: "And all, did he ever ask anyone to leave Ille churc.h or anything?"
Mrs. K. "Oh yes, yeal!."
Delores: "Did he, he must have been very strict."
Mrs. K: "Yes he was strict, if you went in tLe church with your skirt to short ....
Delores. "He'd ask you to leave?"
Mrs. K. "Yeah"
Delores. "God"
Mrs. K. "Lipstick on or anythmg like that, gone."
Delores: "What about, I often heard you say about dance, like uyou met somewhere to go
dancing where would you go dance?"
Mrs. K: "House dance, people use to go to house dances."
Delore~ : "oh Yeah."
Mrs. K: "That was years ago people would give a house dance, asked your mother or father if
you have the house to give a dance, yeah we'd have II hou.~e dance, and fuen when the big school
was down there you'd have to dance clown in school'
Delores: "Yeah, and did you ever dance off the bridges ... :?"
Mrs K- "Oh we danced on the bridge, yes every Sunday nite .•
Delore~ : "EvelY Sunday nite, where would that bridge be now?"
Mrs. K: "EvelY Sunday nile and Wednesday nites. H
Delores: "And where would that bridge be now?"
Mrs. K: "That wa~ down by McDociden'."
Delores: "Where. that?"
Mr. K; "Thall) by, all where Nixie Power used to live, the bridge goes across over to Billy
Powers."
Delores: "\\Tho lives there today7"
Mrs. K : "Mnrgie Power and themuves over tltere"
Delores. "ill Outer Cove?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah"
Delores: "I CI\.U't recall where .... "
Mrs. K: "Down on Miles tum"
Delores. "Miles turn, 110"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, we used to go down there thats where our crowd would meet."
Delores: "So is that close to say where,ah where not close 10 JOIUUle anu Glellli is it?"
Mrs. K : "No, you know down where you go up O'Neil's Road its just down past O'Neil's Road
where 11 goes across on the bridge."
Delores: "On the bridge, so thats where everyone dnored, so obviously it was'nt a road the11.·
Mrs. K: "Oh yes, 11 was a road"
Delores: "So you could dance on the road and the bridge."
Mrs. K- "No CMll then, bonfire lites and a hig bonfire dowu on the tum "
Delores: "L~ that right, now like what music would you dance to .. .. ...... .. .......... .
Mrs. K:
Delores· "Oh right, and where WlIR the other bridge that you danced on?"
Mrs, K; . """""""""""""""""""""""" and you had to be home by 10;30 Youhlld to be home at
your house at 10;30 at nite, no such thing as going out at 10;30 like they do now, we had to be
home lit J 0;30,
Delores; "Alright, I just thought of something else Mom. Whllt about the, when you would go
down to the rooms to live for the summer, tell me about that"
Mrs, K: "I guess the school would close in June, and we'd move down to the room~ \:>ec..'\\,se thatR
we're there all fishin down there,"
Delores: "Now was that your whole truruly, your mother, tather, .... "
Mrs. K. "The whole fru.utly, oh theres 12 more families down there"
Delores: "Is that nghl, what tanulies were they?"
Mrs. K: "Over 011 Cadignn's side, and we'd go down there iii June when school closed, bul we
stay down \here until! school opened up 1!l September."
Delores: "And what would you do, just close up your house?"
Mrs. K: "Yeah, and we walked from down there, down to Outer Cove church, every SUllday
mOnllllg to mass, and walked back home, and back down to prayers agalll Sunday evenmg, at the.
church."
Delores: "And what other fami1es went down there with you?"
Mrs. K: ·Well our cousins Mlehen.el CadiglUl and nlomas Camgan, Patty Malone, nil their
families"
Delores: "So you were Oil Camgan's SIde and there was Dyer'~ side."
Mrs. K. "That's where spoils Oil the other side.·
Delores: "Right, and what other s,de?"
Mrs, K: "Ryan's Side,"
Delores: "RYllIl's Side. so who was Glenn Ryan's Ride?"
Mrs, K: "The Roches and the Deveraux, and all"" " .", they fished out on the Ryan's side!"
Delores; "Right. ann 011\ of the Dyer's Side it was the Kimella'R ann the." "
Mrs. K: "Kavanaghs, and ah Kavanagh~, there were II couplJof fllIllilies ofKllvanagh~, over there,
and over on the Cadigan'R .ide there WIIR JURt the Cadigan •• ahd Malones."
Delores: "So you would go down there from June to September]"
Mrs. K "Yeah"
Delores: "Then ah what wl'uld you live in, what would you call them?"
Mrs. K: "We used to call them. ah nl'w you wl'uld c.'ill them Co.'1hinR, lit that time they were c.