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After you're done laughing (keyboard warning), play the video again and listen to that engine! Oh, my. What a sweet, sweet sound.

Last edited by Citizen; 08-03-2015 at 09:27 PM.

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

After you're done laughing (keyboard warning), play the video again and listen to that engine! Oh, my. What a sweet, sweet sound.

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

there are those with OCD who are so afflicted they must put the initials in alphabetical order, 'CDO' or they have an anxiety attack.

ipse

Had a room mate once who was so OCD, that if you dropped a handful of change on the floor, he had to immediately STOP what he was doing, and count every single coin, in groups of its total value, size, actual number, weight, and quality of the coin. He'd also have to re-arrange EVERYTHING in the livingroom and kitchen so that EVERY. SINGLE. ITEM. was touching NO LESS THAN two other items within six inches of each other. It was friggen fun to mess with them. Like one time, I saved a glass carboy filled with pocket change, and he was whining and complaining about how the yard wasn't mowed to an exact perfect four inches in height, so I empited the entire carboy [about twenty pounds of change] onto the floor, just to shut him up. Took him 15 hours, but he sorted the entire change without stopping.

Mentally handicapped people can be amusing to mess with, at least the ones with like OCD; it's like slinkies, hours of fun when you're most bored.

Had a room mate once who was so OCD, that if you dropped a handful of change on the floor, he had to immediately STOP what he was doing, and count every single coin, in groups of its total value, size, actual number, weight, and quality of the coin. He'd also have to re-arrange EVERYTHING in the livingroom and kitchen so that EVERY. SINGLE. ITEM. was touching NO LESS THAN two other items within six inches of each other. It was friggen fun to mess with them. Like one time, I saved a glass carboy filled with pocket change, and he was whining and complaining about how the yard wasn't mowed to an exact perfect four inches in height, so I empited the entire carboy [about twenty pounds of change] onto the floor, just to shut him up. Took him 15 hours, but he sorted the entire change without stopping.

Mentally handicapped people can be amusing to mess with, at least the ones with like OCD; it's like slinkies, hours of fun when you're most bored.

I don't see diverting someone from a non-productive rant about an obsessive ideation to a productive, although obsessive behavior, fits the definition. As a matter of fact, it is an often recommended therapeutic activity.

It gives enjoyment to one person to initiate it and watch the process, and ultimately gives satisfaction to the other person by ordering their world.

Posting a video of the activity might just meet the threshold of the definition.

stay safe.

"He'll regret it to his dying day....if ever he lives that long."----The Quiet Man

Because stupidity isn't a race, and everybody can win.

"No matter how much contempt you have for the media in all this, you don't have enough"
----Allahpundit

I don't see diverting someone from a non-productive rant about an obsessive ideation to a productive, although obsessive behavior, fits the definition. As a matter of fact, it is an often recommended therapeutic activity.

It gives enjoyment to one person to initiate it and watch the process, and ultimately gives satisfaction to the other person by ordering their world.

Posting a video of the activity might just meet the threshold of the definition.

stay safe.

I disagree wholeheartedly and stand by my classification. BTW I checked the dictionary definition before posting to confirm.

You cannot ignore his proclamations and only consider the example given. He indicates that he derives pleasure from exploitation of disability ("Mentally handicapped people can be amusing to mess with"), not merely from innocent manipulation or experimentation of human nature.

It is called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, not Obsessive Compulsive Order. Triggering it for entertainment cannot reasonably be considered beneficial (medically or otherwise) to the person suffering the disorder.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

I browsed the documentaries about the vehicle in the third video. Came across one documentary where the last five minutes of the video is no music, no narration--just the clips of different versions of the vehicle and the sweet, sweet sound of that V12 engine.

Now, I really want.

(sigh)

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

I browsed the documentaries about the vehicle in the third video. Came across one documentary where the last five minutes of the video is no music, no narration--just the clips of different versions of the vehicle and the sweet, sweet sound of that V12 engine.

Now, I really want.

(sigh)

Where do you intend to drive a Vickers Supermarine Spitfire?

Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

I disagree wholeheartedly and stand by my classification. BTW I checked the dictionary definition before posting to confirm.

You cannot ignore his proclamations and only consider the example given. He indicates that he derives pleasure from exploitation of disability ("Mentally handicapped people can be amusing to mess with"), not merely from innocent manipulation or experimentation of human nature.

It is called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, not Obsessive Compulsive Order. Triggering it for entertainment cannot reasonably be considered beneficial (medically or otherwise) to the person suffering the disorder.

sorry don't know how you can wholeheartedly disagree when you consistently derive sadist pleasure under the guise of innocent manipulation while screwing with piper?

and your mental health degree is in....

ipse

"He who pays the piper calls the tunes..." (OBE as Grape called melody!!)

Please do not get confused between my personality & my attitude. My personality is who I am ~ my attitude depends on who you are and how you act.

Remember always, do not judge someone because they sin differently than you do!

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

It is called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, not Obsessive Compulsive Order. Triggering it for entertainment cannot reasonably be considered beneficial (medically or otherwise) to the person suffering the disorder.

To some people the disorder is orderinary.

Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

sorry don't know how you can wholeheartedly disagree when you consistently derive sadist pleasure under the guise of innocent manipulation while screwing with piper?

and your mental health degree is in....

ipse

Same as yours, buddy, and you have no reason to believe that I derive pleasure from "screwing with" piper, nor reason to believe I even "screw with" piper, and you are incorrectly classifying innocent manipulation as sadist pleasure after I explained the distinction. Bugger off.

I did watch the videos. I like the Bentley one better for some reason.

Also wonder how close that plane's prop was to the ground.. He cut it pretty close.

But, if I had to take the plane, I guess I would "drive" it from Dover to Biggin Hill, and back. Then maybe across the Channel.

Not sure why the video-poster called it a "Vickers" Supermarine Spitfire. That's a little like saying a car is a Chevrolet Ford. Supermarine was the name of the company. Supermarine built sea planes for racing, winning a cup in 1938 or something. One glance at that winning racing plane, and you can see the family resemblance--the Spitfire's classic lines are clearly discernible. I wonder. Maybe Vickers subcontracted manufacturing or something, kinda like Singer Sewing Machines made Colt M1911A1's during WWII.

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

Also wonder how close that plane's prop was to the ground.. He cut it pretty close.

Agreed!

It was the Bentley video I came across first. The way they arrange the cylinders isn't really a V12; I guess that's why they call it a W12. Sweeeet engine, that's for sure.

At the end of the Spitfire video (3rd video) there is a still photo. I'm betting that prop was only about two feet above the grass. You can almost see the top of the engine cowling. Just a little bit lower and that four-bladed prop would have been a lawn-mower.

A couple of documentaries I browsed mentioned that by 1943-44, they had transitioned from the Merlin V12 engines to an engine called the Gryffin. Don't know much about that engine; I'm guessing it was a V12 with more displacement. The two air-intakes under the wings in the third video mark that Spitfire as a later model; I wonder if that plane is actually running a Gryffin.

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.