Oh boy, what do we make of this? We haven't paid that much attention to the whole thing as of yet, but with a recent public statement on why they do what they do, I think it's about time to address this thing. Yes, Lulz Security, the hacking group (or whatever they are) that's been causing quite a bit of amok on the web lately.

Of course it is. Everything is. Unlike you, I don't seem to have a one-minded attitude. You apply regulation where it makes sense. Your attitude seems to be that regulation is always bad, and you seem to posses some sort of eternal everlasting faith in the free market.

Which is just as silly as believing in communism. Both are ideals that do not take human nature into account. Since humans are by definition self-centred pricks, they will abuse both a free market as well as a communist system. That's just the cold and harsh reality of this world.

And the reality I live in. Sometimes, regulation is necessary, as was clearly the case with net neutrality. Without it, the three telecommunications companies we have would unite, impose the same pricing system upon all of us (as was clearly hinted at by all three carriers), and erect even higher barriers to entry for newcomers (i.e., anti-interoperability measures, and we would've been in deep shit. Now, you might say - yeah well in a free market they shouldn't be allowed to do such things! That should be illegal!

That should be - dare I say - regulated?

The free market is an idealist dreamworld. It doesn't exist, and it will never exist. The sooner you realise that, the better.

Come Thom, your regulation just outlawed some private companies. I'm sure the big ISPs will think you for that.

Even if you had to pay a few $$ more for your voip, would that have been the end of the world?

Now you have given the state the power to regulate the internet. This is simply the start.

And yes, I believe that free people in a free market will come up with mutually compatible solutions. Trusting politicians and regulations, which always have unintended consequences, to outperform the free market is believing Cuba is a paradise. If you can regulate perfectness, which is what you must believe to believe regulation will help, it would have been done in Cuba.

Of course it is. Everything is. Unlike you, I don't seem to have a one-minded attitude. You apply regulation where it makes sense. Your attitude seems to be that regulation is always bad, and you seem to posses some sort of eternal everlasting faith in the free market.

Which is just as silly as believing in communism. Both are ideals that do not take human nature into account. Since humans are by definition self-centred pricks, they will abuse both a free market as well as a communist system. That's just the cold and harsh reality of this world.

Yeah, humans are by definition self-centered pricks.... except for the ones that run government. Those humans are all saints

Of course it is. Everything is. Unlike you, I don't seem to have a one-minded attitude. You apply regulation where it makes sense. Your attitude seems to be that regulation is always bad, and you seem to posses some sort of eternal everlasting faith in the free market.

Which is just as silly as believing in communism. Both are ideals that do not take human nature into account. Since humans are by definition self-centred pricks, they will abuse both a free market as well as a communist system. That's just the cold and harsh reality of this world.

And the reality I live in. Sometimes, regulation is necessary, as was clearly the case with net neutrality. Without it, the three telecommunications companies we have would unite, impose the same pricing system upon all of us (as was clearly hinted at by all three carriers), and erect even higher barriers to entry for newcomers (i.e., anti-interoperability measures, and we would've been in deep shit. Now, you might say - yeah well in a free market they shouldn't be allowed to do such things! That should be illegal!

That should be - dare I say - regulated?

The free market is an idealist dreamworld. It doesn't exist, and it will never exist. The sooner you realise that, the better.

Great post, while I may disagree with you on net neutrality, your post summed up human nature perfectly. Your post reminded me of a video I saw on youtube a year ago.

<blockquote>Which is just as silly as believing in communism. Both are ideals that do not take human nature into account. Since humans are by definition self-centred pricks, they will abuse both a free market as well as a communist system. That's just the cold and harsh reality of this world. </blockquote>

If you modify that statement to,

<blockquote>"Since a small handful of humans are self-centered pricks that will abuse any idealistic system, we have to recognise that there must be safeguards in place to protect the rest of us. That's just the cold and harsh reality of this world."</blockquote>