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Comments on MetaFilter post Let the Eagle SoarTue, 09 Nov 2004 16:35:12 -0800Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:35:12 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Let the Eagle Soarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37503-2004Nov9.html">Let the Eagle Soar</a> <small>[<a href="http://madmojo.blogs.com/madmojo/files/us_attorney_general_john_ashcroft_.mp3">mp3</a>]</small> John Ashcroft has resigned as attorney general, saying "the objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved." He leaves behind a legacy of <a href="http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/subs/a_terr.htm">DOJ Accomplishments in the War on Terror</a> (many of which seem to have been accomplished by non-DOJ parties) despite <a href="http://www.alternet.org/rights/19948/">not actually convicting anyone of terrorism</a>. I feel safer already.post:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:31:46 -0800kirkarachajohnashcroftterrorismwaronterrorattorneysBy: PinkStainlessTailhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766533
I hear his replacement is Mel Carnahan.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766533Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:35:12 -0800PinkStainlessTailBy: mathowiehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766535
I pray to god about two things:
1. The guy that replaces him isn't worse. It'd be nice if Bush made a concession to "reach across the aisle" here.
2. Oh god do I hope his name never comes up for the Supreme Court. A guy that doesn't like boobies, freedom, or black cats doesn't deserve a permanent place helping govern a free country.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766535Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:35:50 -0800mathowieBy: PrinceValiumhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766536
<i>Oh god do I hope his name never comes up for the Supreme Court. </i>
Won't happen. He's an administrator, not a jurist. Much like Rudy Giuliani, who may be his replacement.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766536Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:37:36 -0800PrinceValiumBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766538
The guy who replaces him will be just as bad, but probably more charming/telegenic.
I'm happy at least it won't be Giuliani, i hear, who's up for Ridge's job.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766538Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:40:06 -0800amberglowBy: gnutronhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766540
in the sfgate article reporting this, Ashcroft is quoted as saying: "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved. mission accomplished. now i'm off to slather myself in crisco. " okay, maybe not those last two parts.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766540Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:40:49 -0800gnutronBy: fluffycreaturehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766541
Mr. Bush, perhaps someone who has read the <a href="http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/charters/constitution.html">Constitution </a>this time.
<a href="http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html">Please</a>?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766541Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:41:22 -0800fluffycreatureBy: PrinceValiumhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766543
It's all musical chairs up there. Cabinet people are mostly politician figureheads. Look to the deputies for major policy initiatives. The evilness of Ashcroft wasn't what he did or didn't do as AG, but the ideology he represents.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766543Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:43:18 -0800PrinceValiumBy: rushmchttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766546
Okay, maybe "has been achieved" is a bit optimistic, but certainly Americans are safer with this man gone.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766546Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:45:37 -0800rushmcBy: fenriqhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766547
Didn't some other bugger have something to do with a "Mission Accomplished" banner or something? I vaguely recollect it.
And we've lost how many soldiers since the mission was accomplished?
I'm amazed that Colin Powell hasn't gathered up the last shreds of his dignity and run like hell yet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766547Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:45:40 -0800fenriqBy: tommaszhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766549
Perhaps he'll just slip out on the trail of slime that follows him wherever he goes.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766549Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:46:20 -0800tommaszBy: protocoolhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766551
metafilter: slips out on the trail of slime that follows it wherever it goes.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766551Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:50:20 -0800protocoolBy: interrobanghttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766556
Does anyone know where I can find the "Ashcroft Terror Re-Mix" to celebrate with? It was a quicktime movie where Ashcroft is giving a press conference, and two large televisions descend while he's talking, showing horrifying images to illustrate his speech.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766556Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:54:41 -0800interrobangBy: mr_crash_davishttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766560
I tell you three times, his replacement is Orrin Hatch.
If not, Hatch will be a nominee to SCOTUS.
FEAR UTAH.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766560Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:57:34 -0800mr_crash_davisBy: Tenukihttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766561
For his replacement, can we please get someone that isn't afraid of bronze boobies?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766561Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:58:14 -0800TenukiBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766565
<em>It'd be nice if Bush made a concession to "reach across the aisle" here.</em>
yeah, there's a Democrat who's tanned, rested and ready to replace Ashcroft.
two words: <a href="http://www.hillnews.com/photos/061003/miller%20zell%206%2028%2001.jpg">Zell Miller</a>
no, three, <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/36725">F. Zell Miller</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766565Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:02:38 -0800matteoBy: mmahaffiehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766566
<i>May God continue to bless, guide, and direct you and your family as you lead American forward in freedom.</i>
Your <b>family</b>? I'd guess this is just a formal letter-writing construction, but I can't help thinking he's talking about Jeb in '08.
<small>*returns to real estate section of Halifax Herald Limited*</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766566Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:03:52 -0800mmahaffieBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766567
<em>can we please get someone that isn't afraid of bronze boobies?</em>
<small><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/14187">MeFi self-link</a></small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766567Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:04:08 -0800matteoBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766573
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<em>but I can't help thinking he's talking about Jeb in '08.</em>
not to derail, but somebody seriously thinks Jebby <em>won't</em> run in '08? no matter what he says now, he'd be nuts not to. McCain will be too old and too much of a loose cannon, Giuliani too New York / too Italian / too divorced / too secular / too gay-friendly
plus, Jebby <em>will</em> carry Florida, and his kids -- "<a href="http://www.who2.com/georgeprescottbush.html">the little brown ones</a>" as Grampa Georgie called them -- are half-hispanic, a real asset since the GOP is courting more and more Hispanics/Catholics
</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766573Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:11:48 -0800matteoBy: planetkyotohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766576
My first thought was, "Thank you, Jesus." My second thought was, "Judge Roy Moore is available, isn't he?"comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766576Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:14:26 -0800planetkyotoBy: Gilberthttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766579
John Ashcroft / Roy Moore in '08!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766579Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:16:35 -0800GilbertBy: Turtlehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766580
<em>A guy that doesn't like boobies, freedom, or black cats</em>
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/critters/gnus/calico.htm">calico cats</a> are OKcomment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766580Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:17:51 -0800TurtleBy: quonsarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766582
another mission accomplished.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766582Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:19:16 -0800quonsarBy: kirkarachahttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766583
<q><i>And we've lost how many soldiers since the mission was accomplished?</i></q>
At least <a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/">962</a> (the carrier landing was May 2, 2003, and I added the monthly totals from June 2003-November 2004). I don't think that includes the 14 people (at least) that we've lost since the Fallujah attack started.
<q><i>I'm amazed that Colin Powell hasn't gathered up the last shreds of his dignity and run like hell yet.</i></q>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/financialtimes/international/FT20041108_21275_162606.html?oref=login">Nope.</a><blockquote>George W. Bush has won a mandate from the American people to continue pursuing his "aggressive" foreign policy, but the US will also reach out to the international community where it can, according to Colin Powell, the secretary of state.</blockquote><small>And speaking of a "Bush mandate," the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=bush+mandate&spell=1">#1 Google search result</a> is kinda funny.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766583Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:19:40 -0800kirkarachaBy: SteelyDuranhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766584
<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/36855#766556">&gt;</a> Does anyone know where I can find the "Ashcroft Terror Re-Mix" to celebrate with?
<a href="http://www.musicforamerica.org/node/view/23215">Partisan Jab: Ashcroft Fear Remix</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766584Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:21:33 -0800SteelyDuranBy: interrobanghttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766585
Thanks, SteelyDuran!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766585Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:25:25 -0800interrobangBy: Ryvarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766588
I'm hearing Hatch or Gonzalez for replacement. Former, expect major movements against online filetrading - as Hatch is second only to Hollings when it comes to being a shill for RIAA/MPAA/Disney interests. Latter, well - he wrote the "Torture is legally A-OK" memo, and I'm terrified to think that he's actually - in my opinion - the lesser evil.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766588Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:30:36 -0800RyvarBy: Pretty_Generichttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766590
<strong>I D O N ' T L I K E T H E B U S H A D M I N I S T R A T I O N</strong>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766590Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:31:05 -0800Pretty_GenericBy: Tenukihttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766593
At least he worked to keep <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001045/">hardened criminals</a> off the streets.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766593Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:33:56 -0800TenukiBy: mr_robotohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766597
<i>I'm amazed that Colin Powell hasn't gathered up the last shreds of his dignity and run like hell yet.</i>
Rumors of a Bush/Powell rapprochement have been running rampant. There might be a serious shift towards State Department interests in the second Bush administration. I would expect that, despite his public pronouncements, Bush is not very happy with Rumsfeld and the neocons in Defense. I've read more that one "regardless of the outcome of the election, the neocons are done in Washington" commentary in the past couple of months.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766597Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:41:21 -0800mr_robotoBy: substratehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766598
<blockquote>
Mr. Bush, perhaps someone who has read the Constitution this time.
Please?
</blockquote>
Sorry, it's been illegible for 4 years due to skid marks.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766598Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:42:21 -0800substrateBy: FormlessOnehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766605
All I'm afraid of is that the person who replaces Ashcroft will be more efficaceous. The PATRIOT Act is bad enough without having someone in the DOJ who is capable of using it as a scourge on the American public. After all, it's obviously not being used on terrorists.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766605Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:51:00 -0800FormlessOneBy: Pretty_Generichttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766606
It is better to associate with those who burn the flag and wrap themselves in the constitution, than with those who burn the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.
<a href="http://media.musicforamerica.org/media/pjab/bushjoke.mov">It keeps hitting me</a>.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766606Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:53:53 -0800Pretty_GenericBy: orange swanhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766625
I'm not breaking out the cognac until I see who Ashcroft's replacement is.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766625Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:49:21 -0800orange swanBy: mr_robotohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766629
I'm going to be breaking out the cognac, and lots of it, every night for the next four years, I'm afraid. Or at least the rotgut whiskey.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766629Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:52:57 -0800mr_robotoBy: madamjujujivehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766632
Isn't <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/26528">Orrin Hatch a porno linker code stealer?</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766632Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:56:32 -0800madamjujujiveBy: soyjoyhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766638
So long, crisco-boy. Don't let a terrorist hit you in the ass on your way out.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766638Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:09:48 -0800soyjoyBy: five fresh fishhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766640
From <a href="http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=129108&cid=10771678">Slashdot</a>:<blockquote>Without Ashcroft around, who will there be to dilligently protect a woman's right to give birth? Or to protect a terminally-ill patient's right to keep living? Or an atheist student's right to participate in school-sponsored prayer? Or a muslim's right to be given a surprise trip to a tropical carribean island? Or even a pipe maker's right to have a long-term vacation to Huntsville?</blockquote>Says it all, I figure.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766640Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:17:31 -0800five fresh fishBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766641
What do you say we all send him calico cats every single day til he actually leaves DC?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766641Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:18:39 -0800amberglowBy: ChasFilehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766645
Isn't it customary for ALL cabinet members to hand in their resignations when a president gets re-elected? Has Bush accepted his resignation?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766645Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:29:29 -0800ChasFileBy: barglehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766650
re: calico cats
NO. He will probably take the cats and do some bizzare ritual with them. I figure he secretly belongs to one of those snake-handling churches anyway, it just fits the guy all too well.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766650Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:37:33 -0800bargleBy: edgewayshttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766654
My prediction is Ashcroft, Thompson, Powell will go, for different reasons. thompson has hinted in the past he doesn't want to be around once the new regulations for Social Security/Medicare go into effect as the regulations as so complex anyone running H&amp;HS will go nuts. It has also been rumored that Powell has been seeking a way out for awhile wi/out appearing to discredit Bush... so bowing out between elections is possible. Everyone else? Who knows.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766654Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:46:00 -0800edgewaysBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766667
Ridge already said he wants out.
And i hear Condi's moving to a different post, but i have no clue what she can do--she certainly is an awful awful Nat'l Security Advisor.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766667Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:14:40 -0800amberglowBy: troutfishinghttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766682
"Oh god do I hope his name never comes up for the Supreme Court." - don't think of an elephant.
What's all this about God, anyway ?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766682Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:41:45 -0800troutfishingBy: troutfishinghttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766684
And - is bad music a form of terrorism ?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766684Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:42:17 -0800troutfishingBy: jmccormhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766689
Does this mean the War on Terror is over?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766689Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:50:57 -0800jmccormBy: homunculushttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766690
<a href=http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/politics-0/1100033650245521.xml&storylist=orlocal>Attorney General John Ashcroft files an appeal to block Oregon's voter-approved law.</a>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766690Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:56:14 -0800homunculusBy: majcherhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766699
"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved. mission accomplished."
Jeez, great timing, John. You couldn't have told everyone that a week or two ago, could you? Well, shit, now that Bush doesn't have to protect us from the scary terrorists any more, what good is he? We got totally gypped, and it's all his fault.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766699Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:22:30 -0800majcherBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766703
matteo's psychic!
<a href="http://nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200411090750.asp">Nat'l Review <s>horror story</s> article:</a> Zell Miller for Secy of State...comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766703Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:27:23 -0800amberglowBy: trondanthttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766710
<i> re: calico cats
NO. He will probably take the cats and do some bizzare ritual with them.</i>
Nope, he'll just send them to Bill Frist. Good vivisectionists beget good vivisectionists, don'tcha know?
<br>
<i>I figure he secretly belongs to one of those snake-handling churches anyway, it just fits the guy all too well.</i>
secretly? He's a raving moonbat, an insane lunatic white-supremacist frothing-at-the-mouth speaking-in-tongues lizard of a human being with a flat, disaffected gaze like that of a congenitally brain-defective pig on meth. Creationists have embraced him, but for the wrong reason - turns out, he's a better argument against human evolution than any intelligent design bullshitters. I mean, you can see the man's gills when the light is right.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766710Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:57:47 -0800trondantBy: quonsarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766711
Trondant, why don't you fuck off?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766711Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:01:24 -0800quonsarBy: trondanthttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766713
You fuck off, you addled hippie. We all know Ashcroft got you that job at Snakes-R-Us. Hell, he probably paid for the fish in your pants.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766713Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:05:05 -0800trondantBy: quonsarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766715
Vous encrassez brouiller le monticule de l'extrait fétide de deux points de moutons, vous n'êtes pas digne pour renifler la merde des poissons dans mon pantalon!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766715Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:08:53 -0800quonsarBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766718
is that what it is in q's pants? one of those anti-evolution fish? ewww
Metafilter: a raving moonbat, an insane lunatic white-supremacist frothing-at-the-mouth speaking-in-tongues lizard of a human being with a flat, disaffected gaze like that of a congenitally brain-defective pig on meth.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766718Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:11:32 -0800amberglowBy: quonsarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766720
Un lézard blanc-supremacist fou aliéné de parler-dans-langues de mousser-à-le-bouche d'un être humain avec un appartement, disaffected le regard fixe comme cela d'un porc congénitalement cerveau-défectueux sur le methamphetamine.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766720Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:14:58 -0800quonsarBy: trondanthttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766722
If you don't read or speak the language, he didn't deny a goddamned bit of it. Typical Frenchman. What a fucking asshole.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766722Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:18:37 -0800trondantBy: quonsarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766723
Abruti foutu!comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766723Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:21:18 -0800quonsarBy: trondanthttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766735
have some corncomment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766735Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:52:49 -0800trondantBy: jokeefehttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766762
Hey you guys, get a room already.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766762Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:58:00 -0800jokeefeBy: lodurrhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766771
<small>... recovering my composure after watching the trondant-quonsar bout...</small>
I hadn't thought about Hatch. Now I'm scared. He's a logical choice, for a reason that I haven't seen mentioned here: He appeases the Mormons.
Mormons have a funny relationship with the religious right. They tend to be pretty conservative, but the Mormon version of their own history is all about persecution. (Read carefully: I'm saying that's what the history is <strong>about</strong>, not necessarily what it <strong>is</strong>...) Violations of civil liberties have been used against Mormons a lot over the last century and a half or so. And since Mormonism is an abomination to a lot of fundamentalist christians, they've got every reason to be afraid of dominionists and other Protestant Supremacist types.
They could be a fly in the ointment -- Orrin Hatch in particular, as one of the few occasionally independent Republican voices in the Senate, could be a fly in the ointment -- of plans to strongly extend PATRIOT beyond terrorism. They don't want dissident voices coming from the "values block" (and whatever anyone thinks about them, I'll bet that most Americans put Mormons squarely in the values block). Or should I say, of plans to expand the definition of "terrorism" to include whatever the hell the Bushites want it to mean. Hatch is a good choice administratively, since he has some skills at bipartisanship that could be useful in that job; furthermore, it would serve the end of getting him the hell out of the Senate, where he might pose an occasional obstacle to Bill Frist's plans for total Republican hegemony.
I'm banking on Hatch.
As for Giuliani -- too logical. Remember what a stink was made the last time someone with actual experience as a prosecutor got nominated for that post? Heaven forbid they should nominate someone who might actually do a competent job at, you know, fighting crime.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766771Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:21:15 -0800lodurrBy: XQUZYPHYRhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766781
I'm 90% sure the job will be <em>offered</em> to Giuliani, but he'll turn it down to focus on the Governor's race in New York.
Despite the talk of a showdown, he hasn't a chance in 2006 to take the Senate seat from Hillary Clinton, especiailly considering she's going to end up with probably the largest Senate campaign war chest in history. And his slight problem of being a pro-choice, thrice-married adulterer hinders any idea of a Presidential run.
Much as it pains me to day it, the Governor's mansion is his if he wants it. He'd be silly to turn that down to be the new token moderate in Bush's cabinet.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766781Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:54:29 -0800XQUZYPHYRBy: jfullerhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766793
&gt; I hadn't thought about Hatch. Now I'm scared.
If you're thinking Utah, watch <a href="http://www.lcrga.com/archive/200209171942.shtml">Michael McConnell</a>, not Hatch.
trondant:
&gt; He's a raving moonbat, an insane lunatic white-supremacist frothing-at-the-
&gt; mouth speaking-in-tongues lizard of a human being with a flat, disaffected
&gt; gaze like that of a congenitally brain-defective pig on meth. Creationists have
&gt; embraced him, but for the wrong reason - turns out, he's a better argument
&gt; against human evolution than any intelligent design bullshitters. I mean,
&gt; you can see the man's gills when the light is right.
Wow, that's one for the collection box. Of course he's just venting and this too shall pass.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766793Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:52:15 -0800jfullerBy: jfullerhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766795
Though actually I see more mentions of McConnell for Chief Justice than for AG.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766795Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:55:04 -0800jfullerBy: lodurrhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766817
<em>Of course he's just venting and this too shall pass.</em>
Seems to me your second clause doesn't follow from your first.... As far as I can see, BTW, trondant's description isn't too far off. I think the description of his gaze is particularly accurate.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766817Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:55:09 -0800lodurrBy: lodurrhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766818
Time for someone to pull together a CJ-SCOTUS thread -- this guy McConnell sounds like too much to hope for from the Bushites.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766818Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:57:10 -0800lodurrBy: infowarhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766831
<blockquote>And i hear Condi's moving to a different post, but i have no clue what she can do--she certainly is an awful awful Nat'l Security Advisor.
posted by amberglow at 10:14 PM CST on November 9</blockquote>
Wouldn't surprise me to see her in Rumsfeld's or Powell's job.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766831Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:37:25 -0800infowarBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766836
<em>Wouldn't surprise me to see her in Rumsfeld's or Powell's job</em>
wouldn't suprprise me either. not to mention, she'd look great all clad in dominatrix gear, delivering freedom &amp; justice at Abu Ghraibcomment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766836Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:45:57 -0800matteoBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766846
oh, I forgot: <a href="http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Mitch_McConnell.htm">McConnell</a>
rated 0% by NARAL, AFL-CIO, APHA, SANE
rated 100% by the Christian Coalition
rated 20% by NEA and ACLU
rated A by the NRA
oh, and he was against McCain-Feingold. <em>and</em> he wants to move the US embassy to Jerusalemcomment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766846Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:06:53 -0800matteoBy: gychttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766857
<em>oh, I forgot: McConnell</em>
Wrong McConnell?comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766857Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:25:38 -0800gycBy: matteohttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766875
no, my McConnell is better than his
(also, watch out for the McConnell in quonsar's pants)comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766875Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:44:05 -0800matteoBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766970
It's ("Torture? Geneva Convention? Huh?") Gonzales.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766970Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:11:52 -0800amberglowBy: sichttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#766981
<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20041110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_cabinet">It's Gonzalez</a>.
ugh.
<em> Gonzales has been at the center of developing Bush's positions on balancing civil liberties with waging the war on terrorism — opening the White House counsel to the same line of criticism that has dogged Ashcroft.
For instance, Gonzales publicly defended the administration's policy — essentially repudiated by the Supreme Court and now being fought out in the lower courts — of detaining certain terrorism suspects for extended periods without access to lawyers or courts.
He also wrote a controversial February 2002 memo in which Bush claimed the right to waive anti-torture law and international treaties providing protections to prisoners of war. That position drew fire from human rights groups, which said it helped led to the type of abuses uncovered in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
Some conservatives also have quietly questioned Gonzales' credentials on core social issues. And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron. </em>comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-766981Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:23:15 -0800sicBy: euphorbhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#767024
Wow, a guy that's ok with torture, who used to work for Enron. I couldn't think of a more fitting Attorney General.comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-767024Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:12:16 -0800euphorbBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/36855/Let-the-Eagle-Soar#768540
<a href="http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/111204ashcroft.html">Ashcroft says judges threaten national security by questioning Bush decisions</a> (his parting shot? and an acknowledgement he doesn't understand how the judiciary works at all?)comment:www.metafilter.com,2004:site.36855-768540Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:17:38 -0800amberglow