If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Hey zenu3925...Glad you saw my post.....facts are hard to face sometimes! Like most Lib's your only place to go when presented with facts is name calling.... Which Union trained and brainwashed you?

Because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am a LIB. I don't care for that stripe either. " Dude" is a mild name in my vocabulary, equivalent to "Bloke" in Jolly Old. But if you would want to be at the receiving end of some of my more colorful favorites--just raise your hand. What's a union got to do with global warming? Looks like you are just out looking for a fight.

Zeus3925, Henry V, Golddogs, and other confused or liberals on Climate change...the two posts above give the 'current' facts about climate change in that the research and related data is not conclusive and does not verify anything....it is all Junk Science! Al Gore along with the Bias Media have created this problem and they are driving it because it sells and money can be made...nothing more!

What planet are you from? Al Gore had nothing to do with the research on the issue. As entertainment value the issue is a huge dud. But if Ronald Reagan had made that movie, it would have been taken as gospel on the right. Climate change has been a concern among atmospheric scientists going back 40 or more years. Not invented by Al Gore.

Is it happening and being exacerbated by human activity? I'll leave that to the guys with the PhD's.

This is a rehash of the same article by the same author that you posted a couple pages ago. Gerry, you do note that the writer does not make a case against human caused climate change or that sea level has risen 7 inches in the past 100 years. He is simply is trying to makes a case that sea level rise in the future may not be as bad as once thought.

EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally. There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected. ........

Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.
“Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases have increased
sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed
global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide)
from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia. Extensive, independent observations confirm the reality of global warming. These observations show large-scale increases in air and sea temperatures, sea level, and atmospheric water vapor; they document decreases in the extent of mountain glaciers, snow cover, permafrost, and Arctic sea ice. These changes are broadly consistent with longunderstood physics and predictions of how the climate system is expected to respond to human-caused increases in greenhouse gases. The changes are inconsistent with explanations of climate change that rely on known natural influences.

For all you Global Warming Nuts...Democratic Liberal....some facts: Climate Change/Global Warming is based on Junk Science and incomplete data
"Global Warming Basics." By James D. Agresti and SchuylerDugle. Just Facts, August 15, 2011. Revised 7/20/12.
As of August 2011, 9,029 Ph.D.scientists including 3,805 atmospheric, earth, or environmental scientists havesigned a petition stating
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth
According to satellite data correlated and adjusted by theNational Space Science and Technology Center, the average temperature of theEarth's lower atmosphere increased by 0.52ºF (0.29ºC) between
Sources ofuncertainty in satellite-derived temperatures involve variations in satelliteorbits, variations in measuring instruments, and variations in the calculationsused to translate raw data into temperatures [35][/B][/FONT][/SIZE]
Sources of uncertainty in surfacetemperature data involve "very incomplete" temperature records in the earlier years data adjustments that are performed when instruments are moved to differentlocations
* A 2006 paper in the Journal ofGeophysical Research that calculates uncertainties in surface temperature data states that a Definitive assessment of uncertainties is impossible, because it is always possible that some unknown error has contaminated the data, and no quantitative allowance can be made for such unknowns.

Originally Posted by swampcollielover

Zeus3925, Henry V, Golddogs, and other confused or liberals on Climate change...the two posts above give the 'current' facts about climate change in that the research and related data is not conclusive and does not verify anything....it is all Junk Science! Al Gore along with the Bias Media have created this problem and they are driving it because it sells and money can be made...nothing more!

Just curious, did you even read the stuff you posted or look to verify any of it? Apparently not. Regarding the survey of scientists that you cited, I wonder, did you sign it, because you basically could have. All you had to do is have a B.S. to sign the survey and indicate you were a “scientist”. I guess this type of evidence is “science” in your world. Here is a link to where this “petition” has been entirely discredited as evidence against a consensus. http://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM...on-Project.htm . You can find more if you look. Oh, and here are some facts and a quote from the group that conducted the effort.

The signators include “Perry S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer?), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor?), "Robert C. Byrd" (the senator?), "John C. Grisham" (the lawyer-author?). And then there's the Spice Girl, a.k.a. Geraldine Halliwell: The petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell." Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "It's fake," he said. "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake," Robinson, 56, said in a telephone interview from Oregon.

Besides this bogus petition, you posted data saying that the planet had warmed but seem to be saying that there is just too much “uncertainty” to believe the data. Is that your case against the science?, there is too much uncertainty?

Sorry swampcollie, you are the only one posting junk facts and have presented no valid argument against the science which periodically gets posted.
In post 83 you stated:

Originally Posted by swampcollielover

Henry V....I grow tired of your babble and the so called scientific "data". Like most Liberal Progressives, you only read what you want to read, hear what you want to hear and believe what you want to believe...therefore my time is wasted with you!

Yes, science stuff is boring, just like in school, right? And of course, I am the one only looking at information that I want to believe… hilarious.

An international team of scientists has found with near certainty that human activity is the cause of most of the temperature increases of recent decades, and warns that sea levels could rise by more than 3 feet by the end of the century if emissions continue at a runaway pace.

The scientists, whose findings are reported in a summary of the next big U.N. climate report, largely dismiss a recent slowdown in the pace of warming, which is often cited by climate change contrarians, as probably related to short-term factors. The report emphasizes that the basic facts giving rise to global alarm about future climate change are more established than ever, and it reiterates that the consequences of runaway emissions are likely to be profound.

“It is extremely likely that human influence on climate caused more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010,” the draft report says. “There is high confidence that this has warmed the ocean, melted snow and ice, raised global mean sea level, and changed some climate extremes in the second half of the 20th century.”

The “extremely likely” language is stronger than in the last major U.N. report, published in 2007, and it means the authors of the draft document are now 95 percent to 100 percent confident that human activity is the primary influence on planetary warming. On another closely watched issue, however, the authors retreated slightly from their 2007 position.

On the question of how much the planet could warm if carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere doubled, the previous report had largely ruled out any number below 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The new draft says the rise could be as low as 2.7 degrees, essentially restoring a scientific consensus that prevailed from 1979 to 2007.

The new document was prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a large, international group of scientists appointed by the United Nations. The group does no original research, but instead periodically assesses and summarizes the published scientific literature on climate change.

The intergovernmental panel won the Nobel Peace Prize along with Al Gore in 2007 for seeking to educate the world’s citizens about the risks of global warming. But it has also become a political target for climate contrarians, who helped identify several minor errors in the last big report from 2007. This time, the group adopted rigorous procedures in hopes of preventing such mistakes.

On sea level, one of the biggest single worries about climate change, the new report goes well beyond the one from 2007, which largely sidestepped the question of how much the ocean could rise this century.

The new report lays out several scenarios. In the most optimistic, the world’s governments would prove far more successful at getting emissions under control than they have been in the recent past, helping to limit the total warming.

At the other extreme, the report considers a scenario in which emissions, which have soared in recent years, continue at a runaway pace. Under those conditions, sea level could be expected to rise at least 21 inches by 2100 and might rise a bit more than 3 feet, the draft report said.

Coastal communities should assume floods are going to happen more frequently and realize that spending now on protective measures could save money later, according to a report issued by a presidential task force charged with developing a strategy for rebuilding areas damaged by superstorm Sandy.

Most of the report’s 69 recommendations focus on a simple warning: plan for future storms in an age of climate change and rising sea levels. It calls for development of a more advanced electrical grid and the creation of better planning tools and standards for storm-damaged areas.

“If we built smart, if we build resilience into communities, then we can live along the coast. We can do it in a way that saves lives and protects taxpayer investments,” said Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan, who discussed the report Monday with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Some of the group’s key recommendations are already being implemented, including the creation of new flood-protection standards for major infrastructure projects built with federal money and the promotion of a sea-level modeling tool that will help builders and engineers predict where flooding might occur.