It is common these days to use the terms vitamin C interchangeably with ascorbic acid. In fact, there are numerous differences between these two very distinct biological entities. Vitamin C, found in numerous plant and animal foods, is a necessary nutrient for humans in that we make none of our own vitamin C. Natural vitamin C is a complex mixture of at least 9 or 10 distinct molecular entities. These include ascorbic acid (the preservative part of the complex), tyrosinase (an enzyme), rutin, bioflavenoids, copper, manganese, and other enzymes and minerals. Each of these compounds has a synergistic effect with the other substances, the end result being a potent and complicated compound that has far-reaching biological effects. Some of these effects include reducing capillary fragility (thus reducing the tendency to bruising or bleeding), improving the integrity of the collagen fibers, binding and thereby neutralizing histamine (lessening allergies), and many other vital functions. Ascorbic acid has only one effect, that is anti-oxidation. While many nutritionists and physicians sing the praises of anti-oxidants in our diet, the fact is that excessive anti-oxidation inhibits our cellular mechanisms from digesting and disposing of unwanted tissue. This is why the latest studies on excessive use of ascorbic acid show that it may contribute to the development of coronary artery disease. This situation would never arise from the use of the whole vitamin C complex as found in natural foods.

guitarplayer007 wrote:I've seen several Dr's on youtube state that Ascorbic Acid is not vitamin C and won't help you reverse CAD, maybe that's why my CAD as gotten worse in last 12 months while taking high doses of AA

post these links to these videos which you think has better info than this forum.

guitarplayer007 wrote:My Angina comes on easier then it did 12 months ago unfortunately

damn, so can you make a thread and in it summerize what you are doingieyour stats. bodyfat, height, etcyour numbers, your LpA numbers, total cholestrol, LDL, Crp, blood pressureand what you take....vit C, vit D, vit k2, etc

i and many guys on here want to help you, but you, but there is no place we can check and see what's going on..and when you tells us stuff, it seems to contradict or just seem odd, as if,"I thought you woere doig that!

so make a thread and just list your numbers and what you take and put a link to the thread in your sig, so guys can go to it easythis will help us help youdoes that make sene? can you do this?

guitarplayer007 wrote:My Angina comes on easier then it did 12 months ago unfortunately

damn, so can you make a thread and in it summerize what you are doingieyour stats. bodyfat, height, etcyour numbers, your LpA numbers, total cholestrol, LDL, Crp, blood pressureand what you take....vit C, vit D, vit k2, etc

i and many guys on here want to help you, but you, but there is no place we can check and see what's going on..and when you tells us stuff, it seems to contradict or just seem odd, as if,"I thought you woere doig that!

so make a thread and just list your numbers and what you take and put a link to the thread in your sig, so guys can go to it easythis will help us help youdoes that make sene? can you do this?

I'm 5'4 145, you can see my abs, not fat at allNy lipds are in the normal range, but been pre-diabetic for around 8 years, I think that has alot to do with my disease do to Insulin resistance which in turn cause inflammation in the arteries.

2 years ago my LPa was like 116, but I have to dig up my labs from a year ago, my lab didn't take LPa last time about 6 months ago

A1c 5.7My calcium score is though the roof around 1000 that was last AprilVitamin D was 28 should be 30 or higher

LDL-P 1,115 nmol/L <1,000 nmol/L H

LDL-C 78 mg/dL 0 - 99 mg/dL

HDL Cholesterol 53 mg/dL >39 mg/dL

Triglycerides 71 mg/dL 0 - 149 mg/dL

Cholesterol, Total 145 mg/dL 100 - 199 mg/dL

HDL-P (Total) 41.6 umol/L >=30.5 umol/L

Small LDL-P 644 nmol/L <=527 nmol/L H

LDL Size 20.8 nm >20.5 nm

LP-IRr Score 29 <=45

Homocyst(E)ine, Plasma 13.9 umol/L 0.0 - 15.0 umol/L

----------------------------------------------------------My small particles which are the dangerous ones when down by 60% due to me taking Crestor instead of my previous statin

Dam site keeps kicking me out now so I can't get the rest of my labs, will try later.

guitarplayer007 wrote:I'm 5'4 145, you can see my abs, not fat at allNy lipds are in the normal range, but been pre-diabetic for around 8 years, I think that has alot to do with my disease do to Insulin resistance which in turn cause inflammation in the arteries.

2 years ago my LPa was like 116, but I have to dig up my labs from a year ago, my lab didn't take LPa last time about 6 months ago

A1c 5.7My calcium score is though the roof around 1000 that was last AprilVitamin D was 28 should be 30 or higher

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell us by saying you take 2 scoppps of Cardio C and vit C caps that have lysine/proline

pretty vague statements.....Concerete facts are needed

guitarplayer007 wrote:I had 1 dental implant about 5 years ago. Remember I had a Stent at 49, I'm 58 now and we know it takes decades to show symptoms of CVD. This didn't happen over night

no, I'm not going to "remember" anything about you. I also "know" it high fat foods cause CVD. now I "know" differently

so your dental implant and lack of AA caused your CVD??

how long have you been taking 10+grams AA daily? about 1 year?how long have you been taking vit K2 daily?

so you are are a lean guy, with borderline A1c, lower/normal lipids who has been on AA for 1 year now. and you claim your CVD is getting worse, although you have no recent LpA test(which is what the forum uses to measure heart disease)