from what I've done so far ToT seems really we designed and diverse, just gotta see what the heroics will be like. although i do still need too read up on what the thunder king actually did in the lore.

Why is 5.0 tier not in the poll? I find it one of the best ones ever, especially with MV (fights that can be fun to tank, not a lot of trash, Elegon), I'm sure some people would pick this one.

But for me, Ulduar is still the best raid. ToT is an awesome place, and a close second, but the trash (very fun to play with and intense, but simply too much) and way too many add fights kinda lower the score. Plus, ToT is as linear as a raid can get - Ulduar was an open place, you went where you wanted to.

somethingI cant figure out about blizzard is Ulduar has been hailed as the pinnacle of raids/teir content yet they deviated so far from it. There is not a single person that I have met on wow that did not love ulduar. The scale, the fights, the music and yet blizzard alaways seems to undershoot it and not return to what the commuinty enjoyed.

"So I hear you like this raid design and these mechanics? Well we wont be doing that anymore so enjoy everything you dont like."

That's because most of the mechanics were stupidly simple in Ulduar with the only chalenge being gear checks. You have one vehicle fight, six tank-and-spank fights, and five fights that were actually challenging. As someone who cleared it when it was current content, I can tell you that the enjoyment of Ulduar largely depended on what class you were playing. As a Mage, I found the entire instance stupidly frustrating. Oh we're doing Freya tonight? Guess I need to go Frost for Ice Barrier so I don't get one-shot. Oh we're doing Thorim and Hodir? Let me go get my stupid Frost resist gear ready. Oh my DPS is bad tonight? Well, my set bonus isn't proccing off my procs so my DPS isn't great.

All in all what helped Ulduar the most was how SHORT it was current content. This still gives it a mystique since so few were able to clear it fully when it was current. This isn't helped by a major part of it being up for only 60 minutes per week. Was it a good instance? Damn straight it was. Was it the best ever? Shit no.

Kinda funny how popular the second raid has been the past few expansions. People liked Lich King, sure, but in all the polls I've seen Ulduar is more popular, and Naxx was the 'rehashed' raid. Dragon Soul didn't seem too popular in Cataclysm, whereas Firelands was pretty popular. Now MoP, granted we have no idea what the last tier will be like or finished ToT, but it sure seems to be pretty popular so far. Obviously some people would disagree, but the general consensus seems to keep picking the second raid as favorite. I wonder if that's just chance, or if it's in a development sweet spot, whereas first and last raid tiers are distracted by expansion development possibly.

My guess it's because last raids tend to last way too long, and people are more interested in next expansion then progressing for no reason.
Can't really say ICC was worst then Ulduar, definitelly better then ToC and Naxx though.

My guess it's because last raids tend to last way too long, and people are more interested in next expansion then progressing for no reason.
Can't really say ICC was worst then Ulduar, definitelly better then ToC and Naxx though.

I am one of the few that actually liked ToC. For me it was like Ulduar > ICC=ToC

Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

Not voting on this just yet since I haven't progressed much at all with my guild, but so far so good for ToT, imo. Do I think it will top Ulduar? I don't expect it to. Therefore, if it does, then it would be quite a pleasant surprise.

so pressing this goddamn button wasn't 1 switch then? "omagad I pressed the button, so epic, best raid eva"

Yes. It is the little things in life...

+ Pressing the button was epic. Fire everywhere and shit.

Volun-told - A supposedly optional event, award, assignment, or activity in which a person (or persons) are required to attend either by persons-in-charge nominating them or their peers expecting them to be there. The individual often has no say in the matter, and non-attendance in frowned upon.I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.

As of now, 27% voted for ToT... I am flabbergasted and sad. Oh well, this game is about popular opinion as that what gets people to subscribe in larger numbers and make them more money. I guess I am one of the minorities that they are missing the mark on. At least Neverwinter has a new MMO coming out soon and GW 2 has better PvP.

As of now, 27% voted for ToT... I am flabbergasted and sad. Oh well, this game is about popular opinion as that what gets people to subscribe in larger numbers and make them more money. I guess I am one of the minorities that they are missing the mark on. At least Neverwinter has a new MMO coming out soon and GW 2 has better PvP.

I won't vote yet, too early. We've progressed to Ji-Kun and it's not bad. I like the environmental changes, the trash is annoyig after a bit. If it's annoying now, it'll be worse later.

I really liked Ulduar. The challenge was not in the heroic vs normal. It was the switches you would do by choice to up the ante. That was the creative part. Currently mind set is heroics are expected not choices. Way it is I guess.

Well as "liking" anything is an opinion absolutely nothing! It is just my opinion that it is not the "best tier yet" as the thread is named and I don't think it is in the running. So with the popular opinion being different than my opinion I don't think I am much longer in the World of Warcraft. I hope I answered your question