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Green beats or ties him in every category except A/TO ratio. However if Green's teammates could actually hit shots, he could have easily had 6-7 assists per game. I'll give Burke the edge seeing that Green is 2 years older than him and more strength but its weird how one is projected to go top 6 while the other is working his butt off to try to get drafted into the 1st round.

I like those stats but I will say that you have to take into consideration defense as well, and I think that is one of the big differences as well. I think Green will turnout to be a good player, and I hope we grab him, but I think Burke should be drafted before him.

Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

Kevin Pelton's (espn) prospect projections by WARP.

I'm not sure how many people care for stats, so I won't make a new thread, but I think it's a pretty fun perspective.

Spoiler:

Over the four days leading to the NBA draft, you're going to see a lot of numbers, some of them more important than others when it comes to predicting how players in their teens and early 20s will ultimately perform in the NBA. The most meaningful might be a simple one -- age.

No matter how you study the history of the draft, the results are clear: Younger players end up faring better than older ones. Even during their first seasons, younger rookies develop more compared to their college performance than older ones, a gap that grows as they continue to progress toward their peak.

Age isn't the most important factor in projecting NBA success -- how players have performed in the past is still more important -- but because we're comparing prospects at different stages of the development process, we can really only understand that performance in the context of age. That's the fundamental truth on which my draft projections are built.

I start by translating a player's college statistics to his NBA equivalents. That produces a per-minute rating, player win% (equivalent to PER), that projects how we can expect rookies to perform in the NBA next season. By adding age, I come up with a projection of how many Wins Above Replacement Player (WARP) prospects will produce over their first five years -- the amount of time teams control a first-round pick between the four-year rookie contract and one year as a restricted free agent.

As with any statistical projection, the results are far from perfect. There's too much uncertainty about how any individual will develop to tell the difference between prospects whose projections are decimal points apart. But larger differences can be meaningful indicators of over- or undervalued players.

For more details on the process, as well as past draft ratings, check out the companion piece on Tuesday. If you just want this year's results, keep reading. I've ranked the NCAA players and a handful of international prospects among Chad Ford's top 30, based on their WARP projections, as well as the top 10 players outside this group who look like second-round steals.

Noel's WARP projection is a little on the low side for a No. 1 pick and would have put him second behind Kentucky predecessor Anthony Davis in last year's draft. Noel's defensive potential is immense. In addition to the second-best translated block rate of anyone in the draft (only Jeff Withey rates better), Noel also generates a high number of steals for a post player. He joins three post players in my database with translated steal percentages of 2.0 or better: DeJuan Blair, Kenneth Faried and Greg Monroe. That's important because steal rate tends to be an indicator of quickness that translates at the NBA level.

Given Noel's injury, Porter might be the surest thing in this year's draft. The Big East Player of the Year rates well across the board; his only statistical weakness (a category in which he's in the bottom 25 percent of past players at his position entering the NBA) is usage rate. Note that Porter, despite playing two years at Georgetown, is younger than freshmen Anthony Bennett and Shabazz Muhammad.

Caldwell-Pope rates atop a deep group of shooting guards, thanks in large part to his versatility. With good size for the position, Caldwell-Pope contributes on the glass and has an excellent steal rate. As a pro, Caldwell-Pope may be more efficient than he was as the first option on offense at Georgia.

After a terrific freshman year, Zeller took a step backward last season; he benefits from research showing that performance early in college is more important. Zeller's rebounding is a bit worrisome, but he figures to be an efficient scorer right away.

Because McCollum was the Lehigh offense, he has the highest translated usage rate of any player in the top 30. McCollum was still reasonably efficient thanks to his accuracy at the line. And he's an excellent rebounder for a guard who also racked up steals against lesser competition.

For European players who played in the Spanish ACB -- the best domestic league -- or the continental Euroleague and EuroCup competitions, the translation process is the same except it involves players going both to and from the NBA. "Bebe" put up solid stats playing against grown-ups in the ACB. He blocked shots more frequently than Serge Ibaka did in the same league and projects to make nearly 55 percent of his 2-point shots.

Burke rates as the top point guard available. One slight red flag: Burke is a poor rebounder, which tends to be an important indicator for point guards. But nobody in this draft operates better in the pick-and-roll, the foundation of modern NBA offenses.

Bennett is the only player in the top 30 without any statistical weaknesses. If he can develop NBA 3-point range after shooting 37.5 percent on 3s at UNLV, Bennett will be the rare stretch 4 who also excels on the glass. But he's as old as many sophomores, which hurts his rating slightly.

Carter-Williams rates a hair behind Burke, and he has plenty of positives on his statistical résumé. Carter-Williams is ahead of Burke in terms of assist, steal and rebound rate. However, Carter-Williams is rated lower overall because he's nearly twice as prone to turnovers and he's a less accurate 2-point shooter.

A productive player in the EuroCup at age 19, Karasev should be able to contribute immediately whenever he comes to the NBA. Karasev is an excellent outside shooter -- he's projected to shoot 37.9 percent beyond the arc -- and a fine passer for a wing. Karasev is the last player with a WARP projection of 2.0 or better, which usually translates into an NBA starter.

Of the project college big men, Adams rates as the best prospect. After developing over the course of his lone season at Pitt, Adams figures to be able to contribute as a rebounder and shot-blocker off the bench right away.

Rice's projection is based on a combination of his performance at Georgia Tech in 2010-11 and 2011-12 and last year's D-League translations. Rice was much more effective as a pro, and he's already demonstrated NBA 3-point range.

Statistically, Crabbe comes out as the best shooter in the top 30. Though other players have better translated 3-point percentages, Crabbe was a volume 3-point shooter and accurate at the free throw line (84.7 percent). But he contributes little in terms of blocks or steals.

Olynyk's shooting touch sets up everything he does offensively, inside and out. His translated true shooting percentage ranks third among the top 30, behind Zeller and Nogueira. Olynyk's poor shot-blocking suggests he'll be better as a power forward than a center.

More than any other prospect, Oladipo is hurt by the emphasis on previous years. Based just on his junior season, Oladipo's WARP projection would crack the top 10. He was much less effective on offense his first two seasons, which has historically proved more indicative of NBA potential. Oladipo will be an impact defender either way, but he needs to contribute offensively to justify a top-five pick.

McLemore's statistical profile reflects the conventional wisdom that he was too passive at Kansas. His translated usage rate (17.4 percent) is low for a top-10 pick, especially a shooting guard. Of greater concern is how rarely McLemore got to the foul line. And for a player who rarely created his own shot, he was surprisingly prone to turnovers. As a result, McLemore's upside appears overstated.

Canaan rated much better as a junior than during his senior year, when he took on a larger role offensively. But playing with more talented teammates in the pros may help him get back to that level. However, Canaan's translated 41.6 percent 2-point shooting is worrisome.

Franklin's athleticism manifests itself in excellent rebounding for a small forward, let alone a 2-guard. But Franklin will have to improve his 3-point shooting and cut down on his turnovers to avoid being an offensive liability.

If Len indeed goes No. 1 -- or anywhere in the top 10 -- it will be on the strength of scouting and not his performance. Len was ineffective in two years at Maryland, and while that's partly attributable to the system in which he played, Len has no such excuses for his poor rebounding. His low translated steal rate is also an enormous red flag -- no player in my database has ever come up with steals so infrequently. Granted, DeAndre Jordan and Ryan Anderson have been able to overcome similarly low steal rates, but Hasheem Thabeet has not.

The oldest player in the top 30, Dieng might have more upside than his age indicates because he picked up the game so late. At worst, Dieng will be an excellent defender, which would justify taking him in the 20s.

The coveted athleticism that will make Plumlee a first-round pick is nowhere to be found in his numbers. Even after a breakout senior year, his translated rebound, steal and block rates are merely average for a rookie post.

Since I covered Muhammad's weaknesses during the season, his projection has only gotten worse. Now, Muhammad and Plumlee are the lone top-30 players projected to rate worse than a replacement-level player -- the type of free agent available for the minimum. Among past players with subreplacement projections, about one-sixth have ended up actually performing better than replacement in the NBA.

NO PROJECTIONS: Antetokounmpo, Schroeder and Ledo

Three top-30 players are without statistical projections. Giannis Antetokounmpo and Dennis Schroeder played only in domestic leagues that rarely send players to the NBA, while Ricardo Ledo spent his only season at Providence ineligible and thus has no NCAA stats.

Roberson fits a second-round stereotype -- an undersized power forward with big-time athleticism. He struggled last season trying to play more on the perimeter, but has excelled defensively and on the glass against bigger players. Consider Roberson a poor man's Kenneth Faried.

Cooper, who led Ohio to the Sweet 16 in 2012, has the best translated assist rate in the draft and racked up steals in the MAC. Scouts are probably rightfully concerned about Cooper's inability to finish -- his translated 2-point percentage is below 40 percent.

A crafty ball handler with good size for the point, Wolters rarely turns the ball over and excelled at setting up shooters in a spread offense. Along with Bennett, Wolters is the other prospect without any statistical weaknesses for his position. His translations suggest he could be an effective backup next season.

Jackson was the primary creator at Baylor last season, posting an above-average translated usage rate as well as an elite steal rate. He's also a dangerous outside shooter who could serve as instant offense from the bench, similar to the smaller Earl Boykins.

After excelling at Rice, Kazemi demonstrated last season he could do the same thing against better competition. He's an outstanding rebounder who uses his quickness to come up with steals against bigger opponents.

A deep sleeper who only recently appeared on Ford's top 100, Broekhoff was a versatile contributor for the Horizon League champs. He has 3-point range and is a good passer for a wing, but scouts will question the strength of competition he faced.

Though Jerrett unexpectedly entered the draft after a disappointing freshman season, his translations show promise. In particular, they suggest he has to be a more accurate 2-point shooter than he was in his time at Arizona (41.3 percent on 75 attempts). If he is, Jerrett could prove a stretch 4 (he shot 40.5 percent on 3s) with uncommon athleticism for the position.

Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

"It's about trying to find that diamond in the rough when you're picking at 23." - @PacersKev on the #PacersDraft

Damn, does that sound like someone who doesn't have much faith in this year's pick?

You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

I put no stock in workouts, but word is that Jamaal Franklin dominated the Cavs workout. All the top wings there Victor McLemore and Oladipo.

I don't really see the point in workouts honestly. What's some 3 on 3 with guys you've never even been on the same floor with tell you? Have your medical staff check em out, do a TON of interviews, I get that, but I don't get the hype about workouts.

Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

I don't really see the point in workouts honestly. What's some 3 on 3 with guys you've never even been on the same floor with tell you? Have your medical staff check em out, do a TON of interviews, I get that, but I don't get the hype about workouts.

Totally agree. Like Chad Ford said on the Skype NBA draft series he said if he was a GM he wouldn't let players touch the ball. He would only interview them. I would be the same as Chad. I see no point in workouts they can only hurt IMO.

Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

I dont like Harrow at all Elijah is meh for me will be a good change of pace guy at the NBA level a team like Minney could use him to back up Rubio. I think Archie will be a pg at the NBA level I like him a lot. He is like a bigger Eric Bledsoe freak athlete and plays a million mph which is good and bad. I love the effort he plays with on both ends. My guess is he is the pg that devlopes well under Cal. Archie will be a kid I follow closely he is a great guard.
start of the year

The 2 kids I really like at the pg spot are Ray McCallum at Detroit he has the tools and has been well coached I look forward to seeing if he has improved this year. I think he will be a solid pro. I also like Mike Dixon as a backup but he just got suspended by Mizzu.

I really like UK's backup C Willie Cauley-Stein he is still raw but kids gonna be really good I like his tools for the NBA. He will be a guy whos tape early on and in March will be a night and day difference. I have a few others who I like so far but Willie has impressed me the most from the Frosh I have seen so far.

MCW is good but his #s are a bit inflated IMO my ranking isn't based on background either . Ill take Smart and Burke easily over MCW. I just don't like him quite as much as some do for the NBA. I do like him as a potential starter if he fixes some flaws but his numbers are a bit inflated.

although it doesn't hurt that scouts say Smart has franchise culture changing makeup. He has great work ethic and is a true leader and great teammate from the reports based on unbiased scouts.

Goodwin is also a good makeup guy from what I have read which is one reason why I would try him at pg some at the next level.

EDIT about to see what this UK team is made of the last 5mins at Vandy

To play in a rotation next year? I agree but I would be fine with WCS and Goodwin as projects not a big fan of Poythress anymore and I loved him in HS. WCS in the right place with the right player development could be unreal in 5+ years.

about, Archie he is not a good defender IMO. Slow footed and reads the PnR awful.(that is correctable with coaching). He actually reminds me of Lance on defense except he doesn't have the edge like Lance. Lance was much more physical in college and that is the reason I believe Lance has become a good defender in the NBA. He also ball watches too much off the balll. Archie is not what this team needs for next year. I like him long term in the NBA ,but not for us and there is a good chance he never pans out.

March

I loved him all year Really and still do. I hyped up Erick Green the same way all season. I also gave my man Jamaal Franklin a ton of praise. The only guy I really soured on who I liked early was Crabbe. I like he most of the year, but the more tape I watched the more I started to ask myself who does he guard? Also Mike Dixon kind of flamed out. A lot of guys who made impressions this year. It really was a fun year of basketball.