re: The LSU / Les Miles TV dramedy continues....

quote:To all those that think LSU is a notch below eltite, please name what you consider elite programs.

At varioius times in CFB history there are a different number of elite programs. IMO, to be an elite program, you have to do it year in/year out, contend for Nat'l Titles for an extended period of time (~5 yrs). At this time there is only one truly elite program. IMO, LSU is atleast a notch below. At other recent times OU/TX/Oregon/USC/UF/OSt have been elite programs.

Now elite teams can change more often & LSU has certainly had elite teams (not this year IMO).

quote:BTW-how would non-LSU fans experience the "venom that the many vocal fans direct toward the team and coaches?" Just curious.

C'mon, you sound like a guy whose been to a few games in Tiger Stadium. Most of the people I'm talking about are either folks who have been there (it is a must experience destination for a LOT of other fan bases). I have also been involved with folks who are around groups of LSU fans periodically (my work is mostly oilfield related, you'd be amazed at how many Louisianians work throughout the country in oilfield jobs). LSU fans (We Louisianian in general) tend to be more outspoken in their negativity around non fans than a lot of other fan bases I've encountered. Might just be the folks I've run across.

We probably disagree a bit on Miles in general but probably agree that the offense need some serious reexamination. That being said, it seems like we could have a conversation about it without calling each other names, and that's a good thing.

quote:show me one post where i've said i was "content" with the offensive performance.

How long has the offense been offensive (go look at the rankings)? You're a big-time known supporter of the head honcho. What has he done to fix these issues in the past 5 yrs? If you are frustrated/not content with the performance of the offense now, where were you the past 5 yrs? Why is it so hard to see that a large portion of fans have seen this offensive ineptitude for years and feel like we're squandering away great opportunities b/c Miles has refused to make adjustments?

Lastly, if Miles makes no changes to the offense, will your view of him change?

I do hear fans grumble a lot about Miles & I find myself agreeing with most of the reasoning (although I've pulled back on the level of axiety from frustration). My point was that there are a large number of people on here that believe that there is a small minority of fans that have serious concern about the direction of this program outside of TD & that's just not true...as evidenced by your comments.

fired the old OC and hired a new one.....who happened to get sick and as far as we know is unable to perform all of the duties he was hired to do.

quote:If you are frustrated/not content with the performance of the offense now, where were you the past 5 yrs?

the same place i am now. i have no power over the hiring and firing processes of the LSU football program.

quote:Why is it so hard to see that a large portion of fans have seen this offensive ineptitude for years and feel like we're squandering away great opportunities b/c Miles has refused to make adjustments?

But Miles has made adjustments. the new OC has been here a total of two years.

quote:Lastly, if Miles makes no changes to the offense, will your view of him change?

Hence my "you're content" comment. If your view of the head man remains the same when he makes no changes that, by definition, is being content. Being content with B/B+ performance doesn't make you wrong. It simply makes your expectations different from many others. (it also doesn't make them wrong when they think the university deserves A performance and bitch when they don't get it)

quote:At varioius times in CFB history there are a different number of elite programs. IMO, to be an elite program, you have to do it year in/year out, contend for Nat'l Titles for an extended period of time (~5 yrs). At this time there is only one truly elite program. IMO, LSU is atleast a notch below. At other recent times OU/TX/Oregon/USC/UF/OSt have been elite programs.

I'm going to jump into this fray with my two cents because I'm not solidly in the "We're a perfect program, everything is fine" camp, and I'm not solidly in the "Miles is a complete buffoon in all aspects" camp either. Hopefully you can respond without getting too defensive.

quote:2009 LSU was #4 going into an October 10th matchup with #1 Florida.

...and completely shite the bed on offense because of the same old, same old. Stubbornness, lack of ingenuity and putrid QB play. We scored three points.

quote:2010 LSU was #6 going into an October 23rd matchup with #5 Auburn

...and even though Cam Newton was phenomenal, we still had an opportunity to win that game. On our last drive, the QB and receiver weren't even on the same page and a J. Lee pass fluttered out of bounds untouched on 4th down. Game over.

quote:2011 LSU ended the regular season # 1 before losing in the National Title game.

...see response #1. Zero points. At some point in the game, when it seems impossible to even get a measly first down, you have to try something, ANYTHING different to bring life. Personnel, playcalling, I don't care. But we stuck with same old, same old...

quote:this year we were in contention until a last second loss in November.

...and were in complete control in the second half. Only needed one first down to seal the deal. We call a fullback dive on 3rd down when the short passing game had them off balance all night. Not even a halfback dive or off tackle. A fullback dive on the biggest playcall of the year.

quote:Losing to a higher ranked team late in the season, in games that could have gone either way.

Several of those games were not in the balance because it was painfully clear our offense was not going to generate any points. But we kept trying the same thing over and over and over.

Look, I think our program is an elite one. If that's your only argument, fine. I capitulate.

But if you don't think there's room for VAST improvement on the field due to offensive ineptitude, and that the program could actually strive for another level, then I vehemently disagree. Actually contending for championships year in and year out will require a complete revamping of this whole offensive system, and Les Miles just refuses to admit that there's anything wrong in the first place.

We could be where Alabama is today, going for 3 out of 4. That's the most infuriating part to me. Why some on here think Miles and the offensive decisions are above criticism is the eighth wonder of the world.