re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?

quote:"There is no difference between Marxism and Socialism, except in the means of achieving the same end...the subjugation of the individual to the power of the state. Marxism uses force, Socialism uses the vote. Murder as opposed to Suicide." ....Ayn Rand

I disagree with Rand.

quote:He believes in the subjugation of the individual to the collective.

Just like literally every government ever.

Obama didn't invent laws or taxes. Hate to burst that bubble, bro.

quote:He believes in a totalitarian state unfettered by the restrictions of the Constitution.

re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?(Posted by LSU Herder on 11/15/12 at 12:18 pm to Zach)

quote:"There is no difference between Marxism and Socialism, except in the means of achieving the same end...the subjugation of the individual to the power of the state. Marxism uses force, Socialism uses the vote. Murder as opposed to Suicide." ....Ayn Rand

re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?(Posted by DCRebel on 11/15/12 at 12:31 pm to Zach)

quote:Of course you do. You're a Marxist.

False dichotomy ("You either support Rand or are a Marxist") and no, I'm not.

quote:That's really stupid moral equivalence. Ergo, England = North Korea because they are both govts.

Not what I'm saying at all. My point is that in any government some individuality is sacrificed or "subjugated for the collective." Indicting any government leader of advocating that is dumb, because there's nothing unique or wrong with it.

re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?(Posted by crawdaddy52 on 11/15/12 at 12:37 pm to Bayou Sam)

According to the criteria I've read so far, what 20th or 21st century President was not a Marxist? TR's trust busting is surely Marxist. Wilson's internationalism. FDR absolutely. Eisenhower's corporate tax rates and all that eminent domain to build the interstate. Nixion's and Ford's wage and price controls - can't get much more Marxist than that. Carter's cardigan sweaters. Reagan tripled the deficit - second biggest tax increase in history. We apparently were the first communist country.

re: When are more people going to start accepting Obama is a Marxist?(Posted by Zach on 11/15/12 at 1:01 pm to DCRebel)

quote:False dichotomy ("You either support Rand or are a Marxist") and no, I'm not.

So, what are you? Are don't you know? I'm a Libertarian tending anarcho. Some use the term minarchist.

quote:Not what I'm saying at all. My point is that in any government some individuality is sacrificed or "subjugated for the collective." Indicting any government leader of advocating that is dumb, because there's nothing unique or wrong with it.

You just defined moral equivalence and don't even realize it. How sad.

quote:And that makes him different than any other American president how?

Well, the most obvious would be RR lowering taxes. But since you don't understand M.E., you would probably say that BO's raising taxes = RR's lowering taxes because both Presidents changed tax rates.