"Some European
countries insist on saying that Hitler
killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces
and they insist on it to the extent that if
anyone proves something contrary to that
they condemn that person and throw them in
jail. Although we don't accept this claim,
if we suppose it is true, our question for
the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent
Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their
support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?"

Iran leader:Move Israel to Europe

TEHRAN,
Iran
(Reuters,
December 8, 2005) Iran's President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust
occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news
agency from a news conference he gave on Thursday in the
Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October
for Israel to be "wiped off the map,"
which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some
European countries insist on saying that Hitler
killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and
they insist on it to the extent that if anyone
proves something contrary to that they condemn that
person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted
Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although
we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true,
our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of
innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for
their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he
said.

"If the
Europeans are honest they should give some of their
provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or
other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists
can establish their state in Europe. You offer part
of Europe and we will support it."

Historians say six million Jews were killed in
the Nazi Holocaust. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift
rebukes from Israel and Washington.

"This is not the first time,
unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed
the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel,"
said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"He is not just Israel's problem. He
is a worry for the entire international community,"
he added.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan
said: "It just further underscores our concerns about
the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's
so important that the regime not have the ability to
develop nuclear weapons."

Once allies

Religious hardliners in Iran do
not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been
exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel
and continued Western support for it.

Close allies when Iran was ruled by the
U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable
foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and
funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic
Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the
charges.

Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist
state" and has developed missiles which can reach
it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed
to be nuclear-armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear
facilities.

Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian
president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a
surprise election victory in June, said:

"The question is, where do those who
rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were
they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no
roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of
Palestine in their hands.

"Isn't the right to national
self-determination one of the principles of the
United Nations charter? Why do they deprive
Palestinians of this right?"

Jews trace their roots in Israel back
to Biblical times. [see "The Promised Land Lie" on
bottom]

Ahmadinejad concluded his remarks by reiterating
Iran's proposal that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be
resolved via a referendum of all the inhabitants of
Israel, Gaza and the West Bank as well as Palestinian
refugees in neighboring countries.

"Whatever they decide will be accepted by all
humanity. This is a clear democratic solution which is
based on international principles," he said.

Iranian
official proposes
an international committee to clarify "Holocaust"

By DPA

TEHERAN - An Iranian official (on
Friday 23/12/2005)
called for the
establishment of a committee to clarify the real extent of the
Holocaust, the news agency Fars reported.

"[Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad wants European
governments to allow Western scholars to publish their research
on the Holocaust," Mohammad-Ali Ramin, head of the Society for
defending the rights of Muslim minorities in the West, told
Fars.

"Ahmadinejad should therefore propose establishment of an
international committee for clarifying the real extent of the
Holocaust," the official added.

There has been no reaction yet by the Iranian president or
government on the proposal.

Ramin praised Ahmadinejad for having voiced his doubts over the
Holocaust and the need for relocating the Jews to Europe if
Europeans really did the massacre during the Second World War.

"In the last twenty years the previous governments refrained
from referring to this issue for the sake of leading a detente
policy with the West where doubting the Holocaust is a crime,"
Ramin said, referring to the detente policies of ex-presidents
Akbar Hashemi- Rafsanjani and Mohammad Khatami.

"But the more we distanced ourselves from our revolutionary
stance and the urge for justice (in Palestine), the more we lost
our opportunities in foreign relations," he added.

Ramin said that Ahmadinejad, however, was "no man of retreat"
and someone who would decisively support national and religious
interests in international forums.

Iran Focus Saturday, 14 January 2006TEHRAN - Radical Iranian President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad demanded once again on Saturday
that Iran be permitted to send inspectors to evaluate
'human rights abuses' in the European Union.
In a press conference in Tehran which was aired on
state television, Ahmadinejad said that Tehran was
ready to dispatch a committee to states which accuse
it of violating human rights. Iran would then allow
inspectors from those countries to come to Iran to
carry out their evaluations, he said.
'We will send teams to write and publish reports on
the condition of jails, tortures,discriminations, election
procedures, economic actions that end up against the
benefit of their people, support for terrorists, as well
as the judicial, parliamentary, and administrative
systems of countries that claim tospeak out for human
rights.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5308

Iran on Tuesday defended its plan to
organize a conference to examine what it terms the
scientific evidence for the Holocaust.

At the United Nations, the Israeli ambassador said
the conference plans were proof that Iran was run by an
"extreme, fundamentalist, lunatic regime."

The planned conference, which has drawn condemnation
from Western leaders, is yet another step in hard-line
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's public campaign against
Israel.

"For over half a century, those who seek to prove the
Holocaust have used every podium to defend their
position. Now they should listen to others," Iran's
Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi, was quoted
as saying Tuesday by the official Islamic Republic News
Agency.

Ahmadinejad already had called the Nazis' World War
II slaughter of 6 million European Jews a "myth" and
said the Jewish state should be "wiped off the map."

Dan Gillerman, Israel's ambassador to the United
Nations, said the planned conference was "proof of what
a global threat Iran really is."

"I fear that the only reason Iran is showing so much
interest in the Holocaust is because they may be
preparing another Holocaust and it is up to the world
and the United Nations to prevent that from happening,"
Gillerman told The Associated Press on the sidelines of
the opening of the "No Child's Play" exhibit at the U.N.
commemorating Holocaust remembrance week.

IRNA quoted Asefi as saying: that "blind prejudice
together with political interests and aims have closed
the eyes of the Holocaust defenders to the realities of
the world, and they reject without any logic a
scientific conference."

Iran's Foreign Ministry, which was expected to
sponsor the conference, has yet to fix a date or place.
It was not clear who might attend.

"Iran is proving yet again what an extreme,
fundamentalist, lunatic regime it is," Gillerman said.

Ahmadinejad has been issuing the highly inflammatory
comments about Israel and the Holocaust in conjunction
with the country's deepening confrontation with the West
over its nuclear activities. The United States and its
allies accuse Iran of seeking nuclear weapons. Tehran
says the program is its right under the Nonproliferation
Treaty and is designed for electricity generation.

Russia's national security chief and Iran's top
nuclear negotiator said Tuesday that the nuclear
standoff must be resolved by diplomatic efforts in the
U.N. atomic watchdog agency.

The Kremlin statement reflected Russia's efforts to
delay Iran's referral to the U.N. Security Council and
Moscow's opposition to international sanctions against
Tehran.

Quoting
Arnold Toynbee from his 1963 article
entitled:Two Aspects of
The Palestinian Question

(Start Quote)

"I can understand the Jews demanding, after their experience at Nazi
hands, that they should be given some piece of territory somewhere
in the world, where they would be masters in their own house and
where there would be an asylum for any Jews who, in future might be
threatened with a repetition of what the Nazis did.

But, if the Jews had a claim to be given a piece of territory, this
should have been done at the expense of the Western nation that had
done its worst to exterminate the Jews..

If the creation of a new state of Israel was judged to be a
legitimate form of compensation to the surviving Jews, the territory
for this state should have been taken from the Europeans, not from
the Arabs.

The new Israel should not have been carved out of Arab Palestine; it
should have been carved out of Central Europe.

This point seems to me to be simple and obvious. But, once, when I
made it in a lecture in a Western country*, (not Germany, not
Britain), it was received with shouts of laughter.

The people who laughed were not Jews; they were non-Jewish
Westerners, and the country was one that has been traditionally
opposed to colonialism.

Yet, they laughed because it seemed to them preposterous that
a Western nation should be made to pay for its own crimes with its
own territory, when the West's moral debt to the Jews could, so it
seemed to these Westerners, be settled by giving the Jews the
territory of a non-Western people that committed no crime at all against the
Jews.

This laughter shocked me because it revealed to me what seems to me
a shocking persistence of the colonialist attitude of mind. A
guilty Western people's territory was to be sacrosanct, because,
though guilty, they were Westerners.

An innocent non-Western people's territory could, it was held,
legitimately be given away to the Jews by the victorious Western
powers.This amounts to the declaration of the inequality of the
Western and the non-Western sections of the human race.

It is a claim that Westerners are privileged, however guilty they
may be. It is a denial of those universal human rights that, in
truth, are possessed by every man, woman, and child in the world,
irrespective of differences in civilization; religion, nationality
and race."

(End Quote)

*The country that Arnold Toynbee
refers to is Canada and it was in his lecture at McGill University
in Montreal.

Professor of political science
Abdullah Mohammad Sindi says there was no such a thing as
the "holocaust" and argues
that it is in fact Israel which has created a real holocaust for Palestinians.Israel has created a real holocaust for
Palestinians

Tehran, 2005/12/26

On December 18, the Mehr News Agency
conducted an interview with him to learn his views on why Western
countries were so outraged when the Iranian president said that if
the Westerners are sincere and believe in the Holocaust, then why
don't they give part of their land to the Jews and asked why the
Palestinians should have to pay the penalty for the West's crimes.
Following is the text of the interview:

Q: Iranian President Mahmud
Ahmadinejad said that he thinks that the Holocaust is a myth.
However, he also said some European countries insist that millions
of innocent Jews were killed during the Second World War by Hitler,
and asked why the Europeans don't give part of their land to the
Jews if they are correct. What is your view?

A: I agree
wholeheartedly with President Ahmadinejad. There was no such a thing
as the "holocaust". The so-called "holocaust" is nothing but Jewish/Zionist
propaganda. There is no proof whatsoever that any live Jew was ever
gassed or burned in Nazi Germany or in any of the territories that
Nazi Germany occupied during World War Two. The holocaust propaganda
was started by the Zionist Jews in order to acquire world-wide
sympathy for the creation of Israel after World War Two. I detailed
all of this in my book (The Arabs and the West: The Contributions
and the Inflictions)

President Ahmad Nejad is 100% correct
and 100% logical when he stated that if the European countries keep
insisting that Nazi Germany gassed and burned 6 million live Jews,
then Germany or Austria should be the real location for this rogue
state of Israel. In fact, this illegal and illegitimate state of
Israel is the one that created a real holocaust against the
Palestinian people, both Muslim and Christian.

Q: If they are right, surely
they can prove that the Holocaust really took place. Why do they
shun any discussion of the Holocaust?

A: The Western people,
both Europeans and Americans, who think they have freedom of speech,
cannot freely discuss the "holocaust". There is a big conspiracy in
the West to keep everyone silent from freely discussing the "holocaust".
In fact, anyone who dares to deny the "holocaust" openly in the
Western media will be in deep trouble. Accordingly, there is no real
freedom in the West. The freedom in the West stops when it comes to
discussing the "holocaust" freely. The Jews and the Zionists control
the Western media and the publishing houses, both in Europe and the
USA, and they prevent anyone from expressing a free opinion on the
so-called "holocaust". I agree with President Ahmadinejad that no
one in the entire West can prove any of the Jewish/Zionist lies on
the "holocaust".

Q: Why has the Holocaust become
a dogma while the killing of other people across the world goes
unnoticed?

A: The Western
governments and media are hypocritical liars. They keep talking
constantly about their own Western victims or Israeli victims in any
situation, real or imagined, including kidnapping. But these
so-called freedom-loving Westerners do not care a bit about their
own colonial and imperialist wars that cause the death of millions
of innocent Muslims and others around the world.

Q: Why have revisionists been
banned from discussing the Holocaust and why are those who express
any doubts treated like heretics?

A: Many revisionists
in the so-called free West, such as Ernest Zundel and Dr. David
Irving, have been banned and viciously attacked throughout the West
for publicly expressing their free opinions on the so-called "holocaust".
Israel is an extension of the West and all Western governments and
media support it blindly 100%. While anyone in the West has the
right to publicly say or write anything critical about anything, no
one in this so-called "free" and "democratic" West dares to attack
Israel or deny any of its lies, including the lies of the so-called
"holocaust". Anyone who attacks Israel or its lies is either banned,
attacked, labeled as racist, or lose his job and career. In short,
Israel controls the West, and not the other way around. The Jews and
the Zionists rule the world by proxy. That is exactly what former
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed said in October 2003
during the 10th Islamic Summit Conference in Malaysia.

Dr. Abdullah Mohammad Sindi is a
Saudi Professor of Political Science who taught at King Abdulaziz
University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He has also taught in the USA at
the University of California in Irvine, California State University
at Pomona, Cerritos College, and Fullerton College. The author of
several publications, both in Arabic and English, Dr. Sindi now
lives and works in California where obtained BA, MA, and Ph.D.
degrees in the 1960s and 1970s. He is the author of the book The
Arabs and the West: The Contributions and the Inflictions.