So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI asked you first.Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaWhy are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI asked you first.Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?

Running away with one's tail between one's legs?

Wouldn't that be running away from a discussion where one claimed thatelectric chargers couldn't ever exist because drug addicts with stealtheir copper?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaI asked you first.Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals arecrossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do youdispute, and why?Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracyto inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)Nope. No one ever argued that.You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging stationscould not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still thecase.

As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get theirway and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state thatis _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during windstorms, and has essentially banned all new construction ongenerating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on thegrid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniAs California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get theirway and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state thatis _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during windstorms, and has essentially banned all new construction ongenerating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on thegrid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialismfrom the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniAs California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get theirway and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a statethat is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts duringwind storms, and has essentially banned all new construction ongenerating capacity in state, they want to increase the load onthe grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialismfrom the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.

Our state government isn't smart enough to even spell denialsm. Orenergy. Or soft. Or "a".

Post by Ninapenda JibiniAs California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get theirway and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state thatis _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during windstorms, and has essentially banned all new construction ongenerating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on thegrid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialismfrom the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.

Maybe the Feds should decide that blackouts "impact interstatecommerce" and find Californica a few billion dollars for every day ofblackout.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniAs California may find out if the morons in Sacramento gettheir way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In astate that is _already_ planning on up to week long blackoutsduring wind storms, and has essentially banned all newconstruction on generating capacity in state, they want toincrease the load on the grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialismfrom the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.

Maybe the Feds should decide that blackouts "impact interstatecommerce" and find Californica a few billion dollars for everyday of blackout.

Given that that would directly - and negatively - affect theability to mitigate the cause of the blackouts, it wouldn'tsurprise me in the least if they did. Nor would it surprise me ofthe California legislature turned their considerable talent forstupid evil towards provoking the feds to do so.

(The situation is as follows: Pacific Gas & Electric - whoseservice area is most of the state - is in bankruptcy right now dueto the liability of having caused several massive wildfires in thelast year or two, including the deadly Camp fire. The reason beingthat they have neglected to trim trees and brush back from theirpower lines, and California gets . . . windy at times. Wind blowingpower lines around causes sparks, and sparks in trees - especiallyafter the very wet rainy season the last two years - causes fires,made far, far worse by aforementioned rains and the vegetationgrowth that results. Since they really don't have the money to getcaught up on the desperately needed landscape maintence right now,the choice they have is to either shut down the grid in areasgetting high winds - expected to last up to a week at a time - orrisk another Camp scale mega-fire. Sadly, between those two,blackouts actually are the right choice. In the end, the state willend up paying for all the work that needs to be done, because thefeds won't, though they may contribute a nominal amount of money tothe cause. Ergo, every billion spent on anything else is one lessbillion available for the needed landcape maintainence. I'm veryglad I live in So Cal Edison's service area.)--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)Nope. No one ever argued that.You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging stationscould not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still thecase.

As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get theirway and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state thatis _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during windstorms, and has essentially banned all new construction ongenerating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on thegrid by at least 30-40%, if not more.It's like they don't remember what happened when Gray Davis f*****with Calfornians' cars.

"The 750-megawatt natural-gas-fired plant, known as the Inland EmpireEnergy Center, uses two of GE’s H-Class turbines, developed only in thelast decade, before the company’s successor gas turbine, the flagship HAmodel, which uses different technology."

"The closure illustrates stiff competition in the deregulated energymarket as cheap wind and solar supply more electricity, squeezing outfossil fuels. Some utilities say they have no plans to build more fossilplants."

California's plans to run everything off electricity might get dicey inthe future as the subsidized wind and solar force the fossil fuel plantsoff the market.

Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)Nope. No one ever argued that.You MAY be misremembering people arguing that suchcharging stationscould not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the case.

As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento gettheir way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In astate that is _already_ planning on up to week long blackoutsduring wind storms, and has essentially banned all newconstruction on generating capacity in state, they want toincrease the load on the grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.It's like they don't remember what happened when Gray Davisf***** with Calfornians' cars.

"General Electric to scrap California power plant 20 yearsearly"https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge-power/general-electric-to-scrap-california-power-plant-20-years-early-idUSKCN1TM2MV"The 750-megawatt natural-gas-fired plant, known as the InlandEmpire Energy Center, uses two of GEâs H-Class turbines,developed only in the last decade, before the companyâssuccessor gas turbine, the flagship HA model, which usesdifferent technology.""The closure illustrates stiff competition in the deregulatedenergy market as cheap wind and solar supply more electricity,squeezing out fossil fuels. Some utilities say they have noplans to build more fossil plants."California's plans to run everything off electricity might getdicey in the future as the subsidized wind and solar force thefossil fuel plants off the market.

And the monkeys in Sacramento know that, and just don't care.*They* won't be affected, no matter how expensive things get,because the lobbyists will keep them well paid.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird SportsCentre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.

I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable thatwas stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parkinglot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn'ta significant issue.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird SportsCentre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable thatwas stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parkinglot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn'ta significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?

I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the openwithout armed guards would be vandalized in less than a day.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the openair of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in theopen without armed guards would be vandalized in less than aday.

Are you still lying about Lynn being 100% correct in his claim thattens of thousands of illegal immigrants are crossing the borderevery month? June, the total was over 130,000. Caught, that is.It's impossible to count how many got through.

Dumbass.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the openair of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in theopen without armed guards would be vandalized in less than aday.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's unfalsifiable;he will simply assert that if a location has a charger, it's proof that thatplace is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think the biggerproblem is the lack of predictable private parking in built-up areas; if youcan't charge up at home overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit),an electric car is much less practical.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the openair of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in theopen without armed guards would be vandalized in less than aday.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's unfalsifiable;he will simply assert that if a location has a charger, it's proof that thatplace is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.

Indeed!

"No true Scotsman"

:-)

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think the biggerproblem is the lack of predictable private parking in built-up areas; if youcan't charge up at home overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit),an electric car is much less practical.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knowsit. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stophimself.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I thinkthe bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking inbuilt-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (whichmay require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much lesspractical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's utterlyimpossible.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knowsit. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stophimself.

Oh, Terry:

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Putthose out on the street and the average number of charges perstation before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I thinkthe bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking inbuilt-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (whichmay require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much lesspractical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's utterlyimpossible.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knowsit. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stophimself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Putthose out on the street and the average number of charges perstation before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, I thinkthe bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking inbuilt-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (whichmay require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much lesspractical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract customers, whoshop while their vehicle charges. These are known as 'destination chargers'.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knowsit. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stophimself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Putthose out on the street and the average number of charges perstation before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, I thinkthe bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking inbuilt-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (whichmay require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much lesspractical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract customers, whoshop while their vehicle charges. These are known as 'destination chargers'.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post islies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These areknown as 'destination chargers'.

Doesn't surprise me at all.

You don't have the mental capacity to be surprised, because yourmental illness prevents you from seeing anything unexpected.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post islies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway. Put those out on the street and the averagenumber of charges per station before they're vandalizedwould probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you postis lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Your quoted statement is lies?

Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. Thedeliberate change of context is a lie, too.

You know that. That's why you do it. You _must_ lie. You can'tstop yourself.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars per personis more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really* stupid lie.You have a reputation to maintain.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars per personis more than 1.

I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100 chargers ina 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour period.

There isn't.

Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1 vs 2 stallchargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of the water. Those are L2chargers, which take several hours to charge up a car, and thus are suitablefor overnight use. I've bought a $500 consumer grade one myself.

However, I only brought up the V3 Superchargers, which juice up a car inabout 15 minutes, very late in the thread.

At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station, but not *that*much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them in homes anytime soon; theyrun at 250 kW.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars perperson is more than 1.

I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hourperiod.

There isn't.

It's still *my* parking space, part of my lease. Park in it, andyou'll be paying the tow company to get your car back.

Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1vs 2 stall chargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of thewater. Those are L2 chargers, which take several hours to chargeup a car, and thus are suitable for overnight use. I've bought a$500 consumer grade one myself.

You're conflating home chargers (which would also require newelectrical circuits be installed - and connected to each unit'selectric meter ir the installation of a second meter, not a cheapprospect either way) with commercial charging stations.

You're also pretending that 200 superchargers, at, best I can tell,150 kw each, is about 3 megawatts. That is, I suspect, more thanthe entier complex is wired for now.

That, alone, could easily cost seven figures by the time you add inthe costs of permits, engineering fees, environmental impactstatements (yes, there would have to be one, welcome to California)and upgrades to the infrastructure needed to supply similarcircuits to the dozen or more (mostly larger) complexes in theneighborhood.

And that's still not taking into account that the average number ofcars per apartment is more than one.

However, I only brought up the V3 Superchargers, which juice upa car in about 15 minutes, very late in the thread.

In a desperate attempt to change the subject to something even moreriduculous.

At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing themin homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lotlonger. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that takeyou? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heardon prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of oneTesla with that kind of range.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing themin homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lotlonger. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that takeyou? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heardon prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of oneTesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).

There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house inRudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging thereand recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing themin homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lotlonger. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that takeyou? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heardon prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of oneTesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house inRudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging thereand recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.

I recently walked one of the 3-story parking garages at work (we have two, plusa large surface lot). Aside from a couple of pickup trucks and anEscalade, the only American vehicles were a dozen Teslas and a handfulof Volts and Bolts (and one Corvette). A large number of Prius and therest were mostly Toyotas (+ Lexus) and Hondas (+ Acura).

There are a dozen charging stations in the garage (employer provides twohours of free charge daily).

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing themin homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lotlonger. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that takeyou? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heardon prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of oneTesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house inRudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging thereand recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.

Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get some factsdown:

My Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, and cost $42k all in,$37k after subsidies. Look at the cost of regular cars these days -a new, rock bottom Corolla is about $20k+ all in, with no subsidies, withabout 400 miles range.

Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge (SOC) than theCorolla owner does about gas. But there are compensating issues.

1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The latter is afar nicer car, with performance, safety, handling, and amenities which blowthe Corolla out of the water. An equivalent ICE car would be a similar priceto an M3.

2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla is about $36.The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh per mile, so about 100 KWhfor 400 miles. The commercial chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and myhome electricity about 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and$25. At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually free touse, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'm sure that even Terry'sapartment complex, that the landlord makes some profit from chargers won'tbother residents who now have a cheaper source of energy.

3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. My next scheduledmaintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery coolant. I do have to replacewipers, wiper fluid, and tires, but that's about it.

4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gas stations arededicated facilities - you can't do anything else while fueling, and justwant it over as fast as possible.

Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist anywhere there's aparking spot and an electrical supply. They are usually unstaffed (thoughmonitored over the net). Crucially, you don't have to staywith the car. This means that you can do other stuff while charging. L2chargers (the most common) take several hours to charge from zero to full,but if its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a destination,you may not be there long enough to get a full charge, but you can get asubstantial boost.

For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall parking loton my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30 minutes after a day's driving.However, there's a Market Basket 100 yards away, so I usually walk over and doany needed shopping for the day while the car charges.

Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the second day, but I was in theshow, not at the car. I spent about 60 seconds plugging in.

The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electric cars viable forpeople without dedicated off street parking. They add 75 miles in 5 minutes(Terry lied in claiming 15), and a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.

At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and are distributed to makelong-distance travel easier. They were part of the effort to make Teslasappear viable for long trips. To expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll haveto see more placed in cities, and expanded to other brands.

5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buying a Model T in1911. They're flying off the shelves, but the infrastructure still needsdevelopment, and mass production hasn't brought the price down. The Model T was$680 in 1911, but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordablee-cars in the future.

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing themin homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lotlonger. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that takeyou? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heardon prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of oneTesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house inRudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging thereand recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.

Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get some factsMy Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, and cost $42k all in,$37k after subsidies. Look at the cost of regular cars these days -a new, rock bottom Corolla is about $20k+ all in, with no subsidies, withabout 400 miles range.Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge (SOC) than theCorolla owner does about gas. But there are compensating issues.1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The latter is afar nicer car, with performance, safety, handling, and amenities which blowthe Corolla out of the water. An equivalent ICE car would be a similar priceto an M3.2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla is about $36.The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh per mile, so about 100 KWhfor 400 miles. The commercial chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and myhome electricity about 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and$25. At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually free touse, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'm sure that even Terry'sapartment complex, that the landlord makes some profit from chargers won'tbother residents who now have a cheaper source of energy.3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. My next scheduledmaintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery coolant. I do have to replacewipers, wiper fluid, and tires, but that's about it.4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gas stations arededicated facilities - you can't do anything else while fueling, and justwant it over as fast as possible.Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist anywhere there's aparking spot and an electrical supply. They are usually unstaffed (thoughmonitored over the net). Crucially, you don't have to staywith the car. This means that you can do other stuff while charging. L2chargers (the most common) take several hours to charge from zero to full,but if its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a destination,you may not be there long enough to get a full charge, but you can get asubstantial boost.For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall parking loton my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30 minutes after a day's driving.However, there's a Market Basket 100 yards away, so I usually walk over and doany needed shopping for the day while the car charges.Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the second day, but I was in theshow, not at the car. I spent about 60 seconds plugging in.The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electric cars viable forpeople without dedicated off street parking. They add 75 miles in 5 minutes(Terry lied in claiming 15), and a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and are distributed to makelong-distance travel easier. They were part of the effort to make Teslasappear viable for long trips. To expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll haveto see more placed in cities, and expanded to other brands.5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buying a Model T in1911. They're flying off the shelves, but the infrastructure still needsdevelopment, and mass production hasn't brought the price down. The Model T was$680 in 1911, but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordablee-cars in the future.pt

I forgot to mention that my cousin got the federal $7,500 tax rebatewhen buying his Tesla Model 3. Plus he got a Texas state rebate alsowhich I don't know was how much.

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gasstation, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll beseeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutesfor 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 milestakes a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how carwill that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 milerange cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or threeCorollas for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 milebattery cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a biggerbattery (yet).There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from myhouse in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least onecar charging there and recently saw five cars charging: threemodel 3, one S, and one X.

Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets getMy Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, andcost $42k all in, $37k after subsidies. Look at the cost ofregular cars these days - a new, rock bottom Corolla is about$20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with about 400 miles range.Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge(SOC) than the Corolla owner does about gas. But there arecompensating issues.1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. Thelatter is a far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling,and amenities which blow the Corolla out of the water. Anequivalent ICE car would be a similar price to an M3.2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corollais about $36. The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Whper mile, so about 100 KWh for 400 miles. The commercialchargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my home electricityabout 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and $25.At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actuallyfree to use, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'msure that even Terry's apartment complex, that the landlordmakes some profit from chargers won't bother residents who nowhave a cheaper source of energy.3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. Mynext scheduled maintenance is in 3 years, to check the batterycoolant. I do have to replace wipers, wiper fluid, and tires,but that's about it.4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gasstations are dedicated facilities - you can't do anything elsewhile fueling, and just want it over as fast as possible.Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can existanywhere there's a parking spot and an electrical supply. Theyare usually unstaffed (though monitored over the net).Crucially, you don't have to stay with the car. This means thatyou can do other stuff while charging. L2 chargers (the mostcommon) take several hours to charge from zero to full, but ifits on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at adestination, you may not be there long enough to get a fullcharge, but you can get a substantial boost.For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mallparking lot on my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30minutes after a day's driving. However, there's a Market Basket100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do any neededshopping for the day while the car charges.Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It hadfree L2 chargers, and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on thesecond day, but I was in the show, not at the car. I spentabout 60 seconds plugging in.The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electriccars viable for people without dedicated off street parking.They add 75 miles in 5 minutes (Terry lied in claiming 15), anda full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and aredistributed to make long-distance travel easier. They were partof the effort to make Teslas appear viable for long trips. Toexpand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have to see moreplaced in cities, and expanded to other brands.5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is likeBuying a Model T in 1911. They're flying off the shelves, butthe infrastructure still needs development, and mass productionhasn't brought the price down. The Model T was $680 in 1911,but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordablee-cars in the future.pt

I forgot to mention that my cousin got the federal $7,500 taxrebate when buying his Tesla Model 3. Plus he got a Texas staterebate also which I don't know was how much.

Be nice of *everyone* got to suckle on the public's teat, wouldn'tit?

If the taxpayers have to subsidize the technology, that *proves*it's not ready for prime time yet.

And those taxpayer subsidies will be going away, and sooner ratherthan later.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gasstation, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll beseeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutesfor 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 milestakes a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how carwill that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 milerange cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or threeCorollas for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 milebattery cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a biggerbattery (yet).There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from myhouse in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one carcharging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model3, one S, and one X.

Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets getMy Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range,

So about half the range of my Toyota

andcost $42k all in,

At over twice the price

$37k after subsidies.

Paid for by taxpayers.

Look at the cost ofregular cars these days - a new, rock bottom Corolla is about$20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with about 400 miles range.

Yep.

Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge(SOC) than the Corolla owner does about gas.

For values of "worrying about" that add up to "usable as a secondvehicle, but in no way capable of replacing my primary vehicle."

But there arecompensating issues.

Like having other people pay for part of your expensive toy?

1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. Thelatter is a far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling,and amenities which blow the Corolla out of the water. Anequivalent ICE car would be a similar price to an M3.

None of which matters all that much to the average commuter, sincethe electric car simply can't replace their primary car.

2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corollais about $36.

A bit more, here.

The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Whper mile, so about 100 KWh for 400 miles. The commercialchargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my home electricityabout 9 cents.

I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but I pay a*lot* more for electricity. Last time I did the math, at 40 mpg(which is what I get on the highway), an electric car would cost*more* per mile for the energy.

And $20,000 will buy me about 5,000 gallons of gas, with which Ican drive 200,000 miles. And my Toyota will, if I take care of it,last 200,000 miles without anything too major happening. How oftendo Teslas have to replace their batters, and at what cost?

(And keep in mind, southern California as a *lot* of cars, and willthus be disproprotionately affected by all this.)

400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and $25.At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actuallyfree to use, as businesses use them to draw in customers.

Yeah, you love to have other people pay for your stuff, don't you?

I'msure that even Terry's apartment complex, that the landlordmakes some profit from chargers won't bother residents who nowhave a cheaper source of energy.

A) It's *not* cheaper, and B) we've covered the seven figure pricetag for installing 200 of them, so no, the residents won't be happyabout the doubling of their rent.

3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts.

Until the batteries are worn out. Or catch on fire, which they seemto have a disturbing habit of doing.

My nextscheduled maintenance is in 3 years, to check the batterycoolant. I do have to replace wipers, wiper fluid, and tires,but that's about it.4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up.

Yeah. For starters, it takes a *lot* longer.

Gasstations are dedicated facilities - you can't do anything elsewhile fueling, and just want it over as fast as possible.

The reason you don't feel the same about charging is that you*can't*.

Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can existanywhere there's a parking spot and an electrical supply.

And a willingness to subsidize your driving.

Theyare usually unstaffed (though monitored over the net).Crucially, you don't have to stay with the car. This means thatyou can do other stuff while charging.

Which is good since it takes so long. That's not a feature, son.

L2 chargers (the mostcommon) take several hours to charge from zero to full, but ifits on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at adestination, you may not be there long enough to get a fullcharge, but you can get a substantial boost.

Which you desperately *need*.

By comparison, I can hope in my car, drive to Las Vega _and back_without stopping for gas, with nary a thought about getting stuckon the road.

For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mallparking lot on my way home.

Versus several dozen gas stations.

Typically, juicing up takes 20-30minutes after a day's driving. However, there's a Market Basket100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do any neededshopping for the day while the car charges.

Which, again, is good since it takes longer.

Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,

Was willing to subsidize your driving.

and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the secondday, but I was in the show, not at the car. I spent about 60seconds plugging in.

And they paid for it. Do you really believe they'll continue to payfor it when _all_ cars are electric? Especially after paying toinstall all the chargers, and the rather massive power grid neededto run them. The subsidies only happen when they're a novelty.

The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions,

Which apparently only work on the S models, at least so far, atfull capacity.

make electriccars viable for people without dedicated off street parking.

No, they do not. Especially since people without dedicated offstreet parking aren't going to be buy a $70k car in the firstplace.

They add 75 miles in 5 minutes (Terry lied in claiming 15),

Wasn't my number, actually, retard.

anda full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.

I don't believe the marketing hype. What's the power circuitrunning it? How many megawatts?

A gallon of gasoline has the equivalent of 33.70 kwh. I can drive400 miles on about 10 gallons of gasoline. That's 337 kwh. Todeliver than in 15 minutes requires one hell of a charger.

I don't believe teh marking hype.

At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only,

And very likely to remain so for as long as Elon Musk has anythingto say about it.

and aredistributed to make long-distance travel easier.

How many are in rural Nebraska?

They were partof the effort to make Teslas appear viable for long trips.

As opposed to making them *be* viable for long trips.

Toexpand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have to see more placedin cities, and expanded to other brands.

A *lot* more, plus power grid upgrades to handle the load.

5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buyinga Model T in 1911.

Except Model Ts in 1911 a) weren't among the more expensive carsaround, in fact, they were among the cheapest, and B) weren'theavily taxpayer subsidized, and C) didn't have others willing tosubsidize the gasolien costs to drive them.

So no, it's really not like that at all.

They're flying off the shelves,

Relatively speaking, given the inability to Tesla to ramp upproduction very fast. That says more about their marketing hypethan it does about the viability of the vehicles as a replacementfor the family car.

but theinfrastructure still needs development,

A lot of development, some of which is being ignored.

and mass productionhasn't brought the price down.

And won't until it's actually mass production. Which won't happenuntil they actually can replace the family car.

The Model T was $680 in 1911, butonly $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordable e-carsin the future.

No doubt. But they won't be completely replacaing gasoline cars anytime soon.

There is a place for electric cars. That place is not in everygarage (or apartment complex carport, or street parkign spot).--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gasstation, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll beseeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutesfor 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takesa lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car willthat take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile rangecost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollasfor the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile batterycost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery(yet).

That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ mileson a 3 minute fill up.

Post by Lynn McGuireThere is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my housein Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one carcharging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model3, one S, and one X.

I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car inevery possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's wouldlast long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.

(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to anormal gasoline powered car.)--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gasstation, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll beseeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutesfor 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takesa lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car willthat take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile rangecost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollasfor the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile batterycost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery(yet).

That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ mileson a 3 minute fill up.

Why do you think that anyone is contesting that statement? Of course,the vast majority of people, even in LA, seldom drive more than 100miles a day, and often far less. It's perfectly feasible for peoplewith electric vehicles to rent a petroleum-based vehicle for the long trips like drivingbetween SF and LA if they don't want to fly and rent locally and usethe electric vehicle for normal daily trips.

Their daily savings in fuel costs using an electric vehicle would likely bemore than enough to cover a rental for a two-week vacation.

For the rest, well, one can still buy a gas guzzler if one wishes to;meanwhile those folks with electric vehicles aren't contributing tothe now increasing smog in the LA basin (which peaked around 1989and deacreased for two decades before starting to bump back up dueto the increasing population of the LA area).

Post by Lynn McGuireThere is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my housein Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one carcharging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model3, one S, and one X.

I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car inevery possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's wouldlast long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to anormal gasoline powered car.)

It's still enough for a large fraction of drivers, who drive fewerthan 75 miles in a day.

Post by Peter TreiAt 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gasstation, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll beseeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.

15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutesfor 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takesa lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car willthat take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile rangecost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollasfor the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.

My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile batterycost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery(yet).

That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ mileson a 3 minute fill up.

Post by Lynn McGuireThere is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my housein Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one carcharging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model3, one S, and one X.

I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car inevery possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's wouldlast long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to anormal gasoline powered car.)

Mine cost $37k. That's less than twice the price of a new Corolla, and interms of performance and amenities its a far better car.

Fueling time, and range on a tank, aren't the only criteria on which to judgea car.

I like to say that buying a Tesla Model 3 now is a bit like buying a FordModel T in 1910. You don't have to be rich, but you can't be poor. It'sfairly basic compared to most of the cars/ecars available at that time.It performs its basic function very well, but isn't perfect, and is a bitidiosyncratic, like its maker. The infrastructure for supporting generaluse still needs expansion.

There are improvements; while the model T came only in black, the M3 comes infive (5!) colors :-).

Over the next 15 years, the Model T dropped substantially in price,and became a commonplace. I expect the same will happen to e-cars,

With a home charger, I probably spend less time fueling up my vehicle thanTerry does - if I'm low, I plug in when I get home, unplug in the morning.The biggest time sink is coiling the cable neatly. No navigating to a gasstation, waiting for a stall, fumbling with the credit card reader, and Ispend a fraction what he does for fuel.

The fueling time and range are definitely issues which could be improved.There's no reason to think they won't be.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars perperson is more than 1.

I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hourperiod.

There isn't.

It's still *my* parking space, part of my lease. Park in it, andyou'll be paying the tow company to get your car back.

Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1vs 2 stall chargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of thewater. Those are L2 chargers, which take several hours to chargeup a car, and thus are suitable for overnight use. I've bought a$500 consumer grade one myself.

You're conflating home chargers (which would also require newelectrical circuits be installed - and connected to each unit'selectric meter ir the installation of a second meter, not a cheapprospect either way) with commercial charging stations.You're also pretending that 200 superchargers, at, best I can tell,150 kw each, is about 3 megawatts. That is, I suspect, more thanthe entier complex is wired for now.

This is another strawman. The proposed chargers for a condo/apartmentcomplex are NOT superchargers.

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili KujisalimishaThat, alone, could easily cost seven figures by the time you add inthe costs of permits, engineering fees, environmental impactstatements (yes, there would have to be one, welcome to California)and upgrades to the infrastructure needed to supply similarcircuits to the dozen or more (mostly larger) complexes in theneighborhood.

Except the appropriate chargers for a complex such as yours are $1,500 acharging port:

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars per personis more than 1.

I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around15 minutes,

If you believe that, there's no point in reading the rest.

Enjoy the taste of Elon Musk's dick.

Post by Scott Lurndalthat there would be much competition for 100chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hourperiod.

Park in my parking space, and my lease - and yours - says I can haveyour car towed. There's far more to it than charge times.

Or would you suggest they buy the complex next door, and knock itdown to make room for a charging lot? How much do you think my rentwould go up to pay for that?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars per personis more than 1.

I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around15 minutes,

If you believe that, there's no point in reading the rest.Enjoy the taste of Elon Musk's dick.

Post by Scott Lurndalthat there would be much competition for 100chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hourperiod.

Park in my parking space, and my lease - and yours - says I can haveyour car towed. There's far more to it than charge times.Or would you suggest they buy the complex next door, and knock itdown to make room for a charging lot? How much do you think my rentwould go up to pay for that?

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway. Put those out on the street and the averagenumber of charges per station before they're vandalizedwould probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you postis lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Your quoted statement is lies?

Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. Thedeliberate change of context is a lie, too.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars per personis more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really* stupid lie.You have a reputation to maintain.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) inthat it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place isnot in a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. Wecan tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* youpost is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Your quoted statement is lies?

Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. Thedeliberate change of context is a lie, too.

Show this supposed change...

Why? You would lie about it. You literally *always* do. We'vecovered this before, liar-boy.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars perperson is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really*stupid lie. You have a reputation to maintain.

So YOU then failed 3rd grade math......because you couldn't divide by two.

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) inthat it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place isnot in a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. Wecan tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* youpost is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Your quoted statement is lies?

Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. Thedeliberate change of context is a lie, too.

Show this supposed change...

Why? You would lie about it. You literally *always* do. We'vecovered this before, liar-boy.

And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, insouthern California, where the average number of cars perperson is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really*stupid lie. You have a reputation to maintain.

So YOU then failed 3rd grade math......because you couldn't divide by two.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post islies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit apartment withindividual commercial chargers, at the individual price, with no discountfor bulk, would cost $721,000, not "seven figures"?

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you postis lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unitapartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individualprice, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not"seven figures"?

And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right upabove. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more thanme _even by your own claims_.

Dumbass.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you postis lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unitapartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individualprice, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not"seven figures"?

And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right upabove. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more thanme _even by your own claims_.

You say I have an error?

As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted was forone two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5 figures.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to playhockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seencharger with a cable that was stolen, even atSuperchargers standing the open air of a mallparking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significantissue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological,isn't it? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) inthat it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that ifa location has a charger, it's proof that that placeis not in a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical.He literally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Evenif the landlord were silly enough to install chargers(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures forthe modest size of the complex), somebody would stealthe copper out of them anyway. Put those out on thestreet and the average number of charges per stationbefore they're vandalized would probably be less thanone.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. Wecan tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* youpost is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unitapartment with individual commercial chargers, at theindividual price, with no discount for bulk, would cost$721,000, not "seven figures"?

And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quotedright up above. You are, in fact, off by more orders ofmagnitude more than me _even by your own claims_.

You say I have an error?

It's still quoted up above, dumbass. If you're going to lie aboutwhat you said, at least be smart enough to snip out what you said.

As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quotedwas for one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5figures.Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We'rewaiting.

Are you claiming that is the sole cost in installing a charger?(Remember, you acknowledged that there would be installation costson top of that.) Are you claiming that there would be no neededelectrical circuit to power a 150kw charger? Does the power comeout of your ass for it? 200 150kw chargers is 3 megawatts. How muchdo you think it would cost to install a 3 mw circuit (keeping inmind to include the second meter for each unit)? How many 3 mwcircuits can be installed in the same neighborhood, where there atat least half complexes, most of which are larger? Who pays for theinfrastructure upgrades to handle dozne of megawatts of additionalload?

How much do you expect my rent to go up to pay for all this?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to playhockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seencharger with a cable that was stolen, even atSuperchargers standing the open air of a mallparking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significantissue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological,isn't it? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) inthat it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that ifa location has a charger, it's proof that that placeis not in a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical.He literally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Evenif the landlord were silly enough to install chargers(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures forthe modest size of the complex), somebody would stealthe copper out of them anyway. Put those out on thestreet and the average number of charges per stationbefore they're vandalized would probably be less thanone.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. Wecan tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* youpost is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unitapartment with individual commercial chargers, at theindividual price, with no discount for bulk, would cost$721,000, not "seven figures"?

And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quotedright up above. You are, in fact, off by more orders ofmagnitude more than me _even by your own claims_.

You say I have an error?

It's still quoted up above, dumbass. If you're going to lie aboutwhat you said, at least be smart enough to snip out what you said.

As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quotedwas for one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5figures.Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We'rewaiting.

Are you claiming that is the sole cost in installing a charger?(Remember, you acknowledged that there would be installation costson top of that.) Are you claiming that there would be no neededelectrical circuit to power a 150kw charger? Does the power comeout of your ass for it? 200 150kw chargers is 3 megawatts. How muchdo you think it would cost to install a 3 mw circuit (keeping inmind to include the second meter for each unit)? How many 3 mwcircuits can be installed in the same neighborhood, where there atat least half complexes, most of which are larger? Who pays for theinfrastructure upgrades to handle dozne of megawatts of additionalload?How much do you expect my rent to go up to pay for all this?

You're math is TERRIBLE.

The correct charger for an apartment or condo complex from ChargePoint(and we haven't even begun to investigate any other suppliers) is theCPF25 which costs $1,500; bring the cost for 200 of them (they aresingle charge port units) to $300,000.

Their maximum output is 32A @ 240V. That is 7,680 Watts, Terry, not150,000 Watts. Talk about orders of magnitude wrong, and you got thearithmetic for 200 150KW chargers wrong, too.

200 * 150000 is 30 million, not 3 million.

But these chargers provide 7,680 Watts, Terry. So 200 would draw alittle more than 1.5MW. Except, these chargers are smart enough todistribute the available electricity, so don't actually require a 1.5MWservice to be useful.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are"lying".

Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We cantell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you postis lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unitapartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individualprice, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not"seven figures"?

And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right upabove. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more thanme _even by your own claims_.

You say I have an error?As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted was forone two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5 figures.Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We're waiting.pt

It turns out that the correct model for equipping a parking garage costs$1500 a space:

'The ChargePoint CPF25 commercial electric vehicle (EV) charging stationis a smart solution for any assigned, shared or fleet parking situation,which aligns with most apartments, condominiums and workplacesrespectfully. Drivers pay a low monthly service fee plus the cost ofelectricity. ChargePoint handles billing and remits 100% of theelectricity fees back to the property or HOA.'

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshittoo.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'mliving in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove meright. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lyingabout.)

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are knownas 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't havevery high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than ICcars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* anelectric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class andabove custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in highcrime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.

The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electriccars being available to everyone, including people living inapartments, especially those with no off-street parking.

Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest thanAlan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'mliving in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove meright. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lyingabout.)

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are knownas 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't havevery high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than ICcars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* anelectric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class andabove custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in highcrime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electriccars being available to everyone, including people living inapartments, especially those with no off-street parking.

Nope. That was never a point of contention in the previous discussion.

But feel free to produce a quote to prove your claim...

:-)

Post by Ninapenda JibiniTry, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest thanAlan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a costthat would likely run into seven figures for the modest sizeof the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of themanyway. Put those out on the street and the average number ofcharges per station before they're vandalized would probablybe less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complexI'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, asyou note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific costto prove me right. (And prices have come down since I postedwhat Alan is lying about.)

Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...So it's only 100 units.

Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. Insouthern California, where people will become homeless and live intheir car rather than give up their car, because it's morepractical. How many people do you expect live in 200 apartments?

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These areknown as 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don'thave very high crime rates (and electric cars are moreexpensive than IC cars, especially since most people can'tafford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in chargingstations for customers self- selects for shopping districtsthat attract upper middle class and above custommers - theseare not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and alot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*electric cars being available to everyone, including peopleliving in apartments, especially those with no off-streetparking.

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a costthat would likely run into seven figures for the modest sizeof the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of themanyway. Put those out on the street and the average number ofcharges per station before they're vandalized would probablybe less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complexI'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, asyou note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific costto prove me right. (And prices have come down since I postedwhat Alan is lying about.)

Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...So it's only 100 units.

Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. Insouthern California, where people will become homeless and live intheir car rather than give up their car, because it's morepractical. How many people do you expect live in 200 apartments?

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These areknown as 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don'thave very high crime rates (and electric cars are moreexpensive than IC cars, especially since most people can'tafford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in chargingstations for customers self- selects for shopping districtsthat attract upper middle class and above custommers - theseare not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and alot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*electric cars being available to everyone, including peopleliving in apartments, especially those with no off-streetparking.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writte n' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in thecomplex I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 isnearly $1.5 million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as Isaid. Plus, as you note, installation. Good of you to providea specific cost to prove me right. (And prices have come downsince I posted what Alan is lying about.)

Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...So it's only 100 units.

Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. Insouthern California, where people will become homeless and livein their car rather than give up their car, because it's morepractical. How many people do you expect live in 200apartments?

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictableprivate parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge upat home overnight (which may require a dedicatedcircuit), an electric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers toattract customers, who shop while their vehicle charges.These are known as 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas thatdon't have very high crime rates (and electric cars are moreexpensive than IC cars, especially since most people can'tafford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in chargingstations for customers self- selects for shopping districtsthat attract upper middle class and above custommers - theseare not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and alot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*electric cars being available to everyone, including peopleliving in apartments, especially those with no off-streetparking.

Nope.

Yes. Liar.

Then lets see a quote.

Literally every single time I have even done so, you have *lied*about it.

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Evenadding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, andit generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'mliving in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove meright. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lyingabout.)

No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210 charger Ilinked (its just below) handles two cars simultaneously. Cut your totalin half, please. Its not seven figures.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are knownas 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't havevery high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than ICcars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* anelectric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class andabove custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in highcrime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electriccars being available to everyone, including people living inapartments, especially those with no off-street parking.Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest thanAlan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.

I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing, so Ican't really blame you for your ignorance, but check this:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

Things advance over time. The newest superchargers cut charging time down toabout 15 minutes, making it a gas-station like experience.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway. Put those out on the street and the averagenumber of charges per station before they're vandalizedwould probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complexI'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, asyou note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific costto prove me right. (And prices have come down since I postedwhat Alan is lying about.)

No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210charger I linked (its just below) handles two carssimultaneously. Cut your total in half, please. Its not sevenfigures.

It's not "under 5," either, dumbass. It would also be impracticalto only have one station per apartment around here.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictableprivate parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge upat home overnight (which may require a dedicatedcircuit), an electric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These areknown as 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don'thave very high crime rates (and electric cars are moreexpensive than IC cars, especially since most people can'tafford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in chargingstations for customers self- selects for shopping districtsthat attract upper middle class and above custommers - theseare not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and alot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*electric cars being available to everyone, including peopleliving in apartments, especially those with no off-streetparking.Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest thanAlan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.

I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing,https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-superchargingThings advance over time. The newest superchargers cut chargingtime down to about 15 minutes, making it a gas-station likeexperience.

75 miles in five minutes is not gas-station like, and the chargetimes to various levels of charge are not linear. The first 75miles takes less time than the last 75 miles.

I'm also having a hard time taking any press release talking about"1000 miles in an hour" referring to cars that don't *have* athousand mile range all that seriously.

"V3 Supercharging will ultimately cut the amount of time customersspend charging by an average of 50%" is not gas-statition likeeither.

Quoting a web page that actually supports me, and not you, suggeststhat Alan's dishonest stupidity is contagious. You should see adoctor or something.

All that aside from the infrastructure upgrades that would beneeded to simply deliver a terrawatt+ of electrcity to 150 millioncars, of ocurse, as discussed in the past.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway. Put those out on the street and the averagenumber of charges per station before they're vandalizedwould probably be less than one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that wasbullshit too.

Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks isChargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complexI'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, asyou note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific costto prove me right. (And prices have come down since I postedwhat Alan is lying about.)

No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210charger I linked (its just below) handles two carssimultaneously. Cut your total in half, please. Its not sevenfigures.

It's not "under 5," either, dumbass. It would also be impracticalto only have one station per apartment around here.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictableprivate parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge upat home overnight (which may require a dedicatedcircuit), an electric car is much less practical.

A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attractcustomers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These areknown as 'destination chargers'.

And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don'thave very high crime rates (and electric cars are moreexpensive than IC cars, especially since most people can'tafford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in chargingstations for customers self- selects for shopping districtsthat attract upper middle class and above custommers - theseare not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and alot of them have 24 hour security.The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*electric cars being available to everyone, including peopleliving in apartments, especially those with no off-streetparking.Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest thanAlan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.

I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing,https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-superchargingThings advance over time. The newest superchargers cut chargingtime down to about 15 minutes, making it a gas-station likeexperience.

75 miles in five minutes is not gas-station like, and the chargetimes to various levels of charge are not linear. The first 75miles takes less time than the last 75 miles.I'm also having a hard time taking any press release talking about"1000 miles in an hour" referring to cars that don't *have* athousand mile range all that seriously.

So you just don't understand the concept of a rate of change...

The Bugatti Veyron is capable of driving at 240mph (IIRC), but it willactually run out of fuel before it goes 240 miles.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especiallybad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn'tinside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with24 hour security.

You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, eventhough you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish thatyou keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinateit says), which provides context. You will lie because you areincapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitchand I told you to.

Post by Alan Baker<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshittoo.

How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, sevenfigures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basicarithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your dimension?

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an electriccar is much less practical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it'sutterly impossible.

None of which show charging stations for every parking space on thestreet in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.

Now you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you don'tunderstand that actually proves you full of shit.

Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my bitch,and I told you to.

Post by Alan Baker49.2737642,-123.1538488,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x548672355ad38a63:0xf5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192>Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minuteswalk from where I'm sitting.

There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right now,and apartment complexes on either side with more, and probably overa thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest charging station isat least three or four miles away. They have two stations, with,IIRC, two cables each. And it would take an hour to walk each wayback and forth.

Note that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to installdedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by definition, inCalifornia, if you own your house, you're pretty damned well off.)

Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Orbecause you have never had a job that pays more than minimum wage,and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth, dumbass.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especiallybad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn'tinside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with24 hour security.

You said quite specifically that it wouldn't work even where you live:

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a costthat would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.'

You do admit you said that?

Post by Ninapenda JibiniYou will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, eventhough you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish thatyou keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinateit says), which provides context. You will lie because you areincapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitchand I told you to.

I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what you saidand then use Google to look it up.

What context would you like to point to that changes the meaning of thestatement?

Post by Alan Baker<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshittoo.

How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200

Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of thousands.

Post by Ninapenda Jibiniapartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, sevenfigures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basicarithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your dimension?

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an electriccar is much less practical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it'sutterly impossible.

None of which show charging stations for every parking space on thestreet in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.

Goalpost shift!

You said it was impossible to even put them on the street because they'dbe rendered useless in less than a day.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNow you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you don'tunderstand that actually proves you full of shit.Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my bitch,and I told you to.

Post by Alan Baker49.2737642,-123.1538488,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x548672355ad38a63:0xf5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192>Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minuteswalk from where I'm sitting.

There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right now,and apartment complexes on either side with more, and probably overa thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest charging station isat least three or four miles away. They have two stations, with,IIRC, two cables each. And it would take an hour to walk each wayback and forth.

Guess what: it's early days.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNote that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to installdedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by definition, inCalifornia, if you own your house, you're pretty damned well off.)

Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Orbecause you have never had a job that pays more than minimum wage,and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth, dumbass.

That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrown back at you?

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging stationthat isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall severalmiles away - with 24 hour security.

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (ata cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway.'

And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do youhave a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?

Post by Ninapenda JibiniYou will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,even though you quoted the actual statement (kind ofstalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even saywhat you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You willlie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, asalways, you're my bitch and I told you to.

I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely whatyou said and then use Google to look it up.

Sure you do.

Post by Alan BakerWhat context would you like to point to that changes the meaningof the statement?

Post by Ninapenda Jibiniapartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, sevenfigures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basicarithmatic in grade school. What's the number in yourdimension?

100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.

Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.

I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there'snothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.

You love the attention, don't you?

Post by Alan Baker<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run andadditional $329,500And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.

By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poorpeople and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it'sutterly impossible.

None of which show charging stations for every parking space onthe street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.

Goalpost shift!

You do that a lot, yes. Then lie about it.

Post by Alan BakerYou said it was impossible to even put them on the streetbecause they'd be rendered useless in less than a day.

No, liar, I didn't. As you have quoted, then lied about, even outof context.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNow you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit youdon't understand that actually proves you full of shit.Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're mybitch, and I told you to.

Post by Alan Baker<https://www.google.com/maps/place/ChargePoint+Charging+Station0x f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>.41h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8 i8192>Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minuteswalk from where I'm sitting.

There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in rightnow, and apartment complexes on either side with more, andprobably over a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearestcharging station is at least three or four miles away. Theyhave two stations, with, IIRC, two cables each. And it wouldtake an hour to walk each way back and forth.

Guess what: it's early days.

Guess what: There aren't charging stations at every on-streetparking spot, and there never, ever will be.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNote that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*popular - among people who have garages they're allowed toinstall dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, bydefinition, in California, if you own your house, you're prettydamned well off.)

And "very popular" is what percentage?

Do you know a single person living on minimum wage who can affordan electric vehicle in addition to their daily driver? No. Youdon't. You certainly can't.

Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Orbecause you have never had a job that pays more than minimumwage, and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth,dumbass.

That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrownback at you?

In limited neighborhoods, with 24 hour guards around. Not at everyon-street parking spot in bad neighborhoods.

Why do you hate poor people so much? Is it self hatred?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging stationthat isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall severalmiles away - with 24 hour security.

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (ata cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway.'

And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do youhave a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?

Post by Ninapenda JibiniYou will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,even though you quoted the actual statement (kind ofstalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even saywhat you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You willlie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, asalways, you're my bitch and I told you to.

I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely whatyou said and then use Google to look it up.

Sure you do.

Post by Alan BakerWhat context would you like to point to that changes the meaningof the statement?

Post by Ninapenda Jibiniapartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, sevenfigures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basicarithmatic in grade school. What's the number in yourdimension?

100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.

Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there'snothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.You love the attention, don't you?

Post by Alan Baker<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run andadditional $329,500And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.

By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poorpeople and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.

So they now buy their mobility fuel from the landlord, at 1/3 to 1/2 off what itcost at the gas station. That's 'hate'?

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I'veheard one or two reports of it happening, but itcertainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a chargingstation in the open without armed guards would bevandalized in less than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal thecopper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street andthe average number of charges per station before they'revandalized would probably be less than one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest chargingstation that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mallseveral miles away - with 24 hour security.

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal the copperout of them anyway.'

And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Doyou have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?

Post by Ninapenda JibiniYou will, of course, lie and lie some more about thecontext, even though you quoted the actual statement (kindof stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn'teven say what you hallucinate it says), which providescontext. You will lie because you are incapable of not doingso. And because, as always, you're my bitch and I told youto.

I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely whatyou said and then use Google to look it up.

Sure you do.

Post by Alan BakerWhat context would you like to point to that changes themeaning of the statement?

Post by Ninapenda Jibiniapartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed,seven figures. At least, in grown up land of people wholearned basic arithmatic in grade school. What's the numberin your dimension?

100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.

Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there'snothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.You love the attention, don't you?

Post by Alan Baker<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/ chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run andadditional $329,500And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.

By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poorpeople and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.

So they now buy their mobility fuel from the landlord, at 1/3 to1/2 off what it cost at the gas station. That's 'hate'?

They won't have a landlord when they can't afford the rent anymore. You can keep ignoring that as long as you want, but it'sstill seven figures to install 200 chargers - by your own numbers,once you include *all* the costs - in a single modest sizedapartment complex. Which is one of at least half a dozen in theneighborhood. You really think the electic company is going to payfor the infrastructure upgrades to handle that kind of additionalload? Without passing the costs on to the rate payers? Are you that*stupid*?

And with the price of electricity out here (which *will* go upsubstantially if all cars are electric), it's *not* cheaper. No, itreally isn't. (And let's not forget that one of the biggestelectric utilities in the country is now in bankruptcy because theycouldn't afford to do proper maintenance on their lines at currentrates, causing several very nasty fires.)--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a locationhas a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging stationthat isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall severalmiles away - with 24 hour security.

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (ata cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway.'

And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do youhave a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?

You stated that any chargers installed on the street would beimmediately vandalized, Terry.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniYou will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,even though you quoted the actual statement (kind ofstalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even saywhat you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You willlie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, asalways, you're my bitch and I told you to.

I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely whatyou said and then use Google to look it up.

Post by Ninapenda Jibiniapartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, sevenfigures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basicarithmatic in grade school. What's the number in yourdimension?

100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.

Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.

Nope. I'm pointing out that there is a less expensive charger that hemissed:

Post by Alan Baker<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run andadditional $329,500And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.

By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poorpeople and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.

Post by Peter TreiAs someone with actual experience with an electric car, Ithink the bigger problem is the lack of predictable privateparking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at homeovernight (which may require a dedicated circuit), anelectric car is much less practical.

And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it'sutterly impossible.

None of which show charging stations for every parking space onthe street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNow you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit youdon't understand that actually proves you full of shit.Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're mybitch, and I told you to.

Post by Alan Baker<https://www.google.com/maps/place/ChargePoint+Charging+Station0x f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>.41h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8 i8192>Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minuteswalk from where I'm sitting.

There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in rightnow, and apartment complexes on either side with more, andprobably over a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearestcharging station is at least three or four miles away. Theyhave two stations, with, IIRC, two cables each. And it wouldtake an hour to walk each way back and forth.

Guess what: it's early days.

Guess what: There aren't charging stations at every on-streetparking spot, and there never, ever will be.

Probably not. But they don't get vandalized the way you claimed.

Your claim was that no one would be installing them AT ALL in anylocation that didn't have gates to protect them.

Post by Ninapenda JibiniNote that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*popular - among people who have garages they're allowed toinstall dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, bydefinition, in California, if you own your house, you're prettydamned well off.)

And "very popular" is what percentage?

Do you know a single person living on minimum wage who can affordan electric vehicle in addition to their daily driver? No. Youdon't. You certainly can't.

Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Orbecause you have never had a job that pays more than minimumwage, and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth,dumbass.

That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrownback at you?

Fact: you claimed charging stations would have be behind lockedgates not to be vandalized (and you actually stated that yourenclosed parking garage would be vandalized anyway).

Liar.

I'll deliberately split this in two, but because you'll try and claimI'm doing something nefarious, I'll mention that it was originally allone paragraph.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the landlordwere silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that would likely runinto seven figures for the modest size of the complex), somebody wouldsteal the copper out of them anyway.'

Put those out on the street and the average number of charges perstation before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren'tshown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. Andnobody will any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at acost that would likely run into seven figures for the modestsize of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out ofthem anyway. Put those out on the street and the averagenumber of charges per station before they're vandalizedwould probably be less than one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging stationthat isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall severalmiles away - with 24 hour security.

You said quite specifically that it wouldn't work even where'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for themodest size of the complex), somebody would steal the copperout of them anyway.'

And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Doyou have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?

You stated that any chargers installed on the street would beimmediately vandalized, Terry.

Liar.

But let's go back the lies you told months ago. Are you ready toadmit Lynn was 100% correct in his statement that there are tens ofmillions of illegals in the US, and tens of thousands more everymonth? And that you were completely full of shit when you disputedit?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it'sunfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has acharger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'badneighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And heknows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally*can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especiallybad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn'tinside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with24 hour security.You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, eventhough you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish thatyou keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinateit says), which provides context. You will lie because you areincapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitchand I told you to.

How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands.

Terry, when *actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this very thread,your arguments fall flat when you ignore those facts, and pull numbes out of

Post by Ninapenda JibiniOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the revenue. Chargersare a revenue source.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen chargerwith a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargersstanding the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heardone or two reports of it happening, but it certainlyisn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn'tit? You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in thatit's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if alocation has a charger, it's proof that that place is notin a 'bad neighborhood'.

No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. Andhe knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. Heliterally *can't* stop himself.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even ifthe landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a costthat would likely run into seven figures for the modest sizeof the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of themanyway. Put those out on the street and the average number ofcharges per station before they're vandalized would probablybe less than one.'

In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not anespecially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging stationthat isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall severalmiles away - with 24 hour security.You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,even though you quoted the actual statement (kind ofstalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even saywhat you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You willlie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, asalways, you're my bitch and I told you to.

How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands.

Terry, when *actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in thisvery thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those

Post by Ninapenda JibiniOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost ofinstallation, its still under 5 figures, and it generatesrevenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includes citypermits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary torun *200* of them.

BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of therevenue. Chargers are a revenue source.

Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die becauseyou don't like looking at them.

That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install inmy own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.

How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?

I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.

Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."

Newersuperchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,

For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lowercost, with electricity rates here.

making it muchcloser to the gas station experience; maybe that will be theway.

You really love the taste of Elon Musk's dick, don't you?

However, I can categorically say that some arguments you usesimply don't stand up when confronted with reality.

I can categorically say that you're gobbling down Musk's self-serving marketing hype, and wouldn't recognize reality if it werefucking you in the ass (which is will eventually do).--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in thisvery thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost ofinstallation, its still under 5 figures, and it generatesrevenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includes citypermits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary torun *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".

2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has twocharging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.

3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to$3,352.50 per spot for the unit that gets wall mounted:

Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in thisvery thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost ofinstallation, its still under 5 figures, and it generatesrevenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includes citypermits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary torun *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has twocharging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?

Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in thisvery thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost ofinstallation, its still under 5 figures, and it generatesrevenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includes citypermits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary torun *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has twocharging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?

That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install inmy own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.

How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?

I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.

Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."

Newersuperchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,

For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lowercost, with electricity rates here.

Wrong.The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles, Terry. Youshould learn to pay more attention when you're reading.

I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity. I kindof doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile than gas.Terry's in LA, right?Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4Gas $4/gallonCorolla: About 35 mpg400 miles = ~$45M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWhSo, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.Want to revise your claim, Terry?pt

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding incost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and itgenerates revenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includescity permits, and the new electrical service that would benecessary to run *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfullyclose".2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each onehas two charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 perparking spot.3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?

That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to installin my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.

How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?

I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.

Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."

Newersuperchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,

For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At alower cost, with electricity rates here.

Wrong.The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles,Terry. You should learn to pay more attention when you'rereading.

I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity.I kind of doubt that electricity is more expensive per milethan gas.Terry's in LA, right?Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4Gas $4/gallonCorolla: About 35 mpg400 miles = ~$45M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWhSo, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.Want to revise your claim, Terry?pt

Far more likely he'll now claim he never said it...

Liar.

I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in hisstatement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US,and tens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admithe was right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding incost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and itgenerates revenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includescity permits, and the new electrical service that would benecessary to run *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfullyclose".2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each onehas two charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 perparking spot.3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?

That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to installin my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.

How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?

I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.

Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."

Newersuperchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,

For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At alower cost, with electricity rates here.

Wrong.The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles,Terry. You should learn to pay more attention when you'rereading.

I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity.I kind of doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile thangas.Terry's in LA, right?Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4Gas $4/gallonCorolla: About 35 mpg400 miles = ~$45M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWhSo, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.Want to revise your claim, Terry?

Get real electricity rates. And real mileage rates. And a clue.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Peter TreiOne of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, anda 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in costof installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generatesrevenue for the owner.

Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)installation). Now factor in installation, which includes citypermits, and the new electrical service that would be necessaryto run *200* of them.

1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".

Liar.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the openair of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of ithappening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in theopen without armed guards would be vandalized in less than aday.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Putthose out on the street and the average number of charges perstation before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?

Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods. Justin the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another key forthe new security gates.

What *would* you propose for people who live in bad neighborhoods?People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosedgarage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify theexpense only because they'd literally be homeless without itbecause they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There aremillions of such people in the US. How would you suggest they ownan electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die somewhere soyou don't have to admit how full of hateful shit you are?

BTW, since you haven't disputed Lynn's claim that tens of thousands(now 130,000+) people are entering the US illegally every *month*,and tens of millions are living here illegally now, you haveadmitted he was right, and that you're full of shit, and a liar.

But we all know that, because the proof is in my .sig. Right, liar-boy?--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."-- David Bilek

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?

Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods. Justin the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another key forthe new security gates.What *would* you propose for people who live in bad neighborhoods?People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosedgarage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify theexpense only because they'd literally be homeless without itbecause they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There aremillions of such people in the US. How would you suggest they ownan electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die somewhere soyou don't have to admit how full of hateful shit you are?

I've never once suggested that every person gets an electric car, Terry.That's a strawman you've just created.

By the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves around the theftof the copper in the charging stations and since you insist that drugaddicts can't make cost-benefit decisions about what to attempt to steal...

...how is it that any internal combustion engine car works in any ofthose bad neighbourhoods?

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren'tso sad.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/e DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?

Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods.Just in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying anotherkey for the new security gates.What *would* you propose for people who live in badneighborhoods?People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosedgarage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justifythe expense only because they'd literally be homeless withoutit because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? Thereare millions of such people in the US. How would you suggestthey own an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go diesomewhere so you don't have to admit how full of hateful shityou are?

I've never once suggested that every person gets an electriccar, Terry.

Post by Alan BakerBy the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves aroundthe theft of the copper in the charging stations and since youinsist that drug addicts can't make cost-benefit decisions aboutwhat to attempt to steal...

Not my claim, liar.

Post by Alan Baker...how is it that any internal combustion engine car works inany of those bad neighbourhoods?

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockeyevery Tuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger witha cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standingthe open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging stationin the open without armed guards would be vandalized inless than a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if thelandlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost thatwould likely run into seven figures for the modest size of thecomplex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.Put those out on the street and the average number of chargesper station before they're vandalized would probably be lessthan one.'<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/e DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?

Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods.Just in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying anotherkey for the new security gates.What *would* you propose for people who live in badneighborhoods?People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosedgarage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justifythe expense only because they'd literally be homeless withoutit because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? Thereare millions of such people in the US. How would you suggestthey own an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go diesomewhere so you don't have to admit how full of hateful shityou are?

I've never once suggested that every person gets an electriccar, Terry.

Post by Alan BakerBy the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves aroundthe theft of the copper in the charging stations and since youinsist that drug addicts can't make cost-benefit decisions aboutwhat to attempt to steal...

The copper in a car is a lot harder to strip out. Batteries, tiresmounted on expensive wheels, and other easily fenced items,however, get stolen quote a lot.

Really? Look out on your street right now. Take pictures of all the carsstripped of their wheels.

And given that your previous contention was that a drug addict's "nearinfinite" need meant they were completely incapable of doing any sort ofanalysis about how hard something was to steal versus the value thatthey might get for it, I find it strange that you've suddenly discoveredthat it might make a difference in what they choose to steal.

I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in hisstatement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US, andtens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admit hewas right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.

Until you're willing to admit you were full of shit, and *lied*,there's no point in reading any more of your lies.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!

I never said otherwise, liar.

So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?

Asked and answer already, retard.

Because you said even in an "enclosed" garage like yourcomplexes,

I said, specifically, that I do *not* have enclosed parking, liar.

:-)

Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC'sThunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey everyTuesday), and those are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or tworeports of it happening, but it certainly isn't asignificant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in lessthan a day.

No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?You literally *can't* stop youself.Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobodywill any time soon.

Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!

I never said otherwise, liar.

So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?

Asked and answer already, retard.

Because you said even in an "enclosed" garage like yourcomplexes,

I said, specifically, that I do *not* have enclosed parking, liar.

My error... ...freely admitted.

You still said that it would be vandalized inside a day...

...and when you said it, you never mentioned anything about the natureof the neighbourhood being a criterion.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's ThunderbirdSports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), andthose are charging stations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with acable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing theopen air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reportsof it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.

Funny that, isn't it?I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station inthe open without armed guards would be vandalized in less thana day.

I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in hisstatement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US, andtens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admit hewas right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.

Until you're willing to admit you were full of shit, and *lied*,there's no point in reading any more of your lies.--Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider thanLynn:https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United Statesillegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird SportsCentre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable thatwas stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parkinglot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn'ta significant issue.pt

I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the wayto work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,suggesting that the cable stays with the car.

This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for chargingconnections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and caneither use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones likethe US ones in the picture above).

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird SportsCentre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable thatwas stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parkinglot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn'ta significant issue.pt

I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the wayto work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,suggesting that the cable stays with the car.This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for chargingconnections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and caneither use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones likethe US ones in the picture above).

I've never had cause to look closely enough at the charging units out atUBC to see if they have sockets as well as cables, but next time I'mthere, I'll take a look.

What I can tell you is that despite being located in an unprotectedlocation...

Post by Alan BakerYeah...<https://www.plugshare.com/>Zoom out and look at all of North America.Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.:-)

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird SportsCentre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are chargingstations......right out in the open.

Yeah.I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable thatwas stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parkinglot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn'ta significant issue.pt

I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the wayto work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,suggesting that the cable stays with the car.This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for chargingconnections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and caneither use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones likethe US ones in the picture above).

I've never had cause to look closely enough at the charging units out atUBC to see if they have sockets as well as cables, but next time I'mthere, I'll take a look.What I can tell you is that despite being located in an unprotectedlocation......none have had their cables stolen for their copper.:-)

I understand that in Europe it's common to carry a cable. In the US/Canada it is not.

There are a lot of connectors you might encounter, but for me, 90+ % of sites have either the Tesla proprietary connector, or the J1772 connector, which I can use with an adapter supplied with the car.