Some commenters are continuing to beat the dead horse of “Jews got warned on 9-11”. Well, 450 Jews obviously never got warned, and they got killed in the attack. And the 1 or 2 Israelis killed in the attack never got warned either.

One piece of evidence is that supposedly Odigo Headquarters in Israel sent out warnings to its NY subsidiary 2 hours before the attack warning of an upcoming attack.

I think this has been misrepresented. Odigo is just an instant messenger. It’s like Yahoo Messenger. That’s all it is. Tons of messages go out over it all over the globe all the time. I’m not sure of the details of this warning, but I believe that there were just some instant messages sent out over the Odigo network a couple of hours before the attack.

There were like 2 or 3 instant messages sent out on Odigo. I’m not sure who sent them out, or to whom they were directed. I am not sure that Odigo actually did evacuate its NY office as a result of some forewarnings.

I have done a lot of research into 9-11 myself. Keep in mind that tons of Arabs and Muslims also seem to have had some news of this impending attack before it happened, including knowledge of the attack even months before it went down.

Some notable cases were a case in Texas where an Arab elementary schooler was brought to the principal’s office several weeks before the attack crying and saying that they were going to blow up the WTC. The Principal’s office took the kid in, shrugged their shoulders, and sent him home.

In an English class for ESL students in NY a week or two before the attacks, a student went to the window and pointed to the WTC during class. He said, “See that building? In two weeks, it’s not going to be there.” Some of the students nodded their heads. I think the teacher reported it, but nothing happened.

It was later said that many Arabs and Muslims sympathetic to Islamist terrorists around New York had heard that the WTC was going to be attacked. It’s not known if they told anyone.

I also found that there were many Muslims, especially in Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states and Pakistan, who seemed to have some foreknowledge of this plot in some way or another.

It’s a monument to anti-Semitism that the “9-11 truth” anti-Semites focus solely on Israeli foreknowledge, and don’t say one peep about the tremendous evidence for Muslim foreknowledge.

There are continuous rumors of upcoming terror attacks all over the globe. Most of them are complete bullshit. So most people just dismiss them.

Most people I talk to about this don’t recall this, but I recall that in the few years before 9-11, I kept hearing reports on cable news that “bin Laden is trying to attack the US.” They would show his picture and say his organization is trying to attack us. This according to US intelligence reports. After a while, I got so sick and tired of hearing, “bin Laden is trying to attack us,” that I figured it was like the boy who cried wolf. Then 9-11 happened. So a lot of folks knew something was up, but they just didn’t know what.

It is true that Israelis were warned before the UK 7-7 and Jordan Amman hotel terror attacks. All they were told is that a suspected terror plot was about to go down in the country. They didn’t have specifics about where, when or whom.

Keep in mind that there are near-constant warnings of upcoming terror attacks on one type or another all over the globe. These reports are called “raw intel”, most of them are either fake or never happen, and most are just dismissed by intel agencies. Sorting through “raw intel” and separating the wheat truth from the chaff BS is the job of intelligence agencies, and it is not so easy.

It’s interesting that Israeli Zim Shipping moved out of their WTC offices in the months before the attack.

Both US and Israeli sources say that Israel caught wind of some kind of a big plot a few weeks before the attack and tried to warn the US, but the US pretty much blew them off, since there were continuous warnings of such attacks at the time.

The behavior of Israelis, in particular the art students and the moving companies, in the events surrounding 9-11 is suspicious indeed. In particular the Israelis who were dancing on top of a building cheering while photographing the burning towers.

After the attacks, a number of Israelis were rounded up as possible suspects in the attacks. Also rounded up were many Muslims. After a while, all of these Israelis were released. I think some of them went on TV to vociferously state their innocence. Almost all, or all, of these Israelis seem to be connected to Israeli intelligence in some way or another.

It’s clear that Israel has attacked the US sometimes. They did in the US Liberty attack in which 36 sailors died. They did in Egypt in some bombings of US offices in the 1950’s.

In addition, they had knowledge of the Hezbollah attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon but failed to warn and just let it go down. I assume they realized at the time that some US Jews may have been possible victims on the Liberty and in the barracks. On the other hand, Jews are dramatically underrepresented in the US armed forces.

One of the things I find so difficult to believe about the Israel knew about 9-11 thing is the idea that Israel would let the attack go down, knowing full well that huge numbers of US Jews were going to get killed. Jews are 2% of the US population and were 15% of the US victims. They warned Israelis but not US Jews? Huh?

Fox News did some excellent coverage on this issue and said that US intelligence agencies suspected Israel of foreknowledge of the attacks and failure to warn. That coverage was quickly pulled off Fox, and all transcripts of it vanished. Fortunately, I think you can find it in Youtube.

All US officials talking about their suspicions about Israel would only do so anonymously, as they said pushing such a theory was career suicide. Many had been ordered by superiors to stop pursuing the investigation of Israel and 9-11.

Further, the US Army War College issued a report on Mossad calling them a total wild card, perfectly capable of pulling off a terrorist attack and then blaming it in Arabs or Muslims. Mossad has done this at least once in the past, in the Lavon Affair in Egypt in 1950’s.

Let’s be clear though that I think that Al Qaeda did 9-11. The question with the Israelis and others is one of foreknowledge and failure to warn. I don’t suspect Israel of doing 9-11. That’s just absurd, and anyway, the evidence for Al Qaeda doing it is overwhelming.

So are you gonna overwhelm me with all the evidence that “al-Qaeda” did 9/11 or not? LMAO.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone, anywhere, try to make a case based on the evidence that 19 Arabs did 9/11 on orders from Osama bin Laden. It would be pretty funny to see someone try. All the argument really boils down to is “al-Qaeda’ did 9/11 because… uh… the TV said so!”

As a matter of fact, some of the DNA from the dead from the towers has been conclusively linked to some of the hijackers. Furthermore, the hijackers who did it have disappeared and not been seen anymore. On top of that, we have video of bin Laden himself congratulating a Saudi cleric on pulling it off. We have eyewitness accounts of the accused in pilot schools in the US. We have video camera of the accused going through the turnstiles at the airports with after buying their tickets. They left their cars at the airports, which were then searched. We have many eyewitness accounts of passengers and stewardesses who were on the phone to loved ones describing what happened. They all described Arabs taking over the planes with boxcutters and killing stewardesses. We have audiotape from the cockpits after the planes were hijacked of Arabs in the cockpit. We even have audio of the fights in the cockpit after they overwhelmed the pilots. We have the last wills and testaments of a number of the hijackers, including on video. We also have KSM who admitted to plotting it in testimony and in court, including extensive details of how it was planned. We have records of money transferred to the hijackers from the Gulf before the operation. We have witnesses who placed the hijackers in the US in various places before the operation – they lived near them. And on and on.

As a matter of fact, some of the DNA from the dead from the towers has been conclusively linked to some of the hijackers.

I’d like to see the references on this. How’d they get DNA from the wreckage of the towers and how’d the get reference DNA from the alleged hijackers to begin with?

Furthermore, the hijackers who did it have disappeared and not been seen anymore.

This is disputed – there are various reports that some of the hijackers are still alive, although I don’t buy it and figured that the guys who did 9/11 had enough sense to kill the patsies.

On top of that, we have video of bin Laden himself congratulating a Saudi cleric on pulling it off.

It’s probably a real video of bin Laden, captured during the invasion of Afghanistan, but the audio is basically inaudible, and completely blanked out in places, and the translation is bogus.

We have eyewitness accounts of the accused in pilot schools in the US.

Sure. The flight schools were probably drug smuggling operations – there’s loads of evidence to suggest this for the ones in Florida. Not so sure about the one in Texas.

That they were at flight schools hardly proves they did 9/11. None of them had ever flown jets before.

We have video camera of the accused going through the turnstiles at the airports with after buying their tickets.

There’s reasonably clear footage of a guy resembling Atta and one of the other hijackers going through security at the airport in Portland, ME. Oddly enough, the flight that allegedly hit the WTC did not originate here – supposedly they took a connecting flight to Boston and then flew from Boston into the WTC. This is after supposedly driving from Florida, past Boston, to Portland. No photos have been shown of Atta boarding a plane in Boston. A few photos allegedly depicting the alleged hijackers at other airports have been provided, but these are too blurry to be considered proof of anything.

Either the Atta who went through the airport security was a fake, or they somehow lured the patsy Atta into that airport and then did god-knows-what with him when he got to Boston. Probably the latter. The connecting flight makes no sense from the standpoint of the official story, but fits perfectly with the idea that the guys who actually hijacked the planes weren’t the alleged Arabs.

They left their cars at the airports, which were then searched.

Right… the hilarious “Koran next to the flight manual” thing.

We have many eyewitness accounts of passengers and stewardesses who were on the phone to loved ones describing what happened. They all described Arabs taking over the planes with boxcutters and killing stewardesses.

They also describe guns, bombs, knives, and poison gas if I’m not mistaken. Hard to imagine how they got all that stuff through security.

We have audiotape from the cockpits after the planes were hijacked of Arabs in the cockpit.

The Israeli special forces who actually hijacked the planes were probably masquerading as Arabs.

We even have audio of the fights in the cockpit after they overwhelmed the pilots. We have the last wills and testaments of a number of the hijackers, including on video.

I’d like to see this stuff.

We also have KSM who admitted to plotting it in testimony and in court, including extensive details of how it was planned.

Right.

We have records of money transferred to the hijackers from the Gulf before the operation.

Not surprising to see drug smugglers getting cash… jihadis on a suicide mission, now that’s another story.

We have witnesses who placed the hijackers in the US in various places before the operation – they lived near them. And on and on.

Gerald Holmgren wrote a hilarious satire of the official 9/11 story – the whole thing is worth reading, but I’ll just post the portion relevant to the hijackers here:

According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, nineteen Arabs took over four planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns, knives, box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren’t any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID – but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities – they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

“Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?”

“A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get.”

“Very strange”, thinks the security officer, “that’s the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask…and why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess…”

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time , the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis. They will allege that the hijackers’ passports were found at the crash scenes. “So there!” they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.

Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, “who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!” And so the whole loop starts again. “Well, why aren’t they on the passenger lists?” “You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!” And so on…

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion, the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

“Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? “The answer of course is that its just one of those strange coincidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen.

This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The ‘improbability drive’, in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens – just about all the time in their world. There is a principle called ‘Occam’s razor’ which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam’s razor.

The problem with the far-fetching, utterly complicated mechanism of the 9/11 doomsday machine, is that you cannot prove it for sure, and you cannot disprove it for sure. All the ‘proves’ from either side have a freezing and even neutralizing effect on each other.

The many, many, many inconsequences, bloopers, oddities, flukes and ‘incredible coïncidences’ that day, the enormous LUCK of a bunch of hyped up – or tranquillized? – terrorists is so over the top, so 1960 James Bond crap-ish, that it’s very hard to take serious in any way.

It wasn’t an inside job. Inside there was foreknowledge. And it was played out.
Remember Cheney’s big aereal drill precisely that morning? The CIA doing the same sort of drill, precisely that morning?
Read about the incredible lucky insurance trick Silverstein pulled a few weeks prior to 9/11?
Remember Bush’s blooper of telling how in the Florida school he saw on a tv in the corridor how the first plane hit the first tower? (‘(‘But we don’t have tv’s there’, a confused schooldirector told a presslady later on). Images that weren’t released to the media until the next morning? The White House didnt even take the trouble to explain (lamely) that ‘the Prez made a tiny mistake, he meant the SECOND plane, of course’…
Remember the impossible fires raging under the WTC rubble mountain for weeks? The images of a river of molten steel pouring from the WTC building whereas kerosine doesn’t burn hot enough and didn’t burn LONG ENOUGH to create this blast furnace effect?
The amazing ‘tight fit’ hole in the Pentagon facade? The complete disappearance of the wings of that plane? The missing of a few but essential image moments from the Pentagon parking lot security camera tape? The rhythmic explosions prior to the collapses described by firemen and policemen, according to FEMA caused by, quote, ‘exploding office light tubes and LPG gas tanks’, unquote?
And didn’t we see Edna Cintron waving to the helicopter from the gaping facade hole, a place she never could have reached alive because of the immens, steel- and concrete warping heath inside: FEMA explaining ‘fatal destructives’ once more?

You know, they may be right on that and maybe someone inserted a CGI’ed Edna Cintron into the original taping, and maybe these damned Pentagon plane wings shot by strange coïncidence straight into the 11th dimension. But all this makes it quite understandable that complot theories about an inside job flourish.

In his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, Sen. Al Franken admits to having been warned not to go to work at the World Trade Center on 9-11. Why have the government and “free press” in the United States not investigated this report?

Senator Al Franken admits in his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (2003), that he received a call from the former mayor of New York, Ed Koch, warning him not to go to his office in the World Trade Center on 9-11, using the Hebrew calendar as a reference for the date, which was September 11, 2001.
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