Orlando killer Omar Mateen worked briefly as a prison guard before he was fired from that job.

Searchers have recovered the body of the two-year-old boy who was attacked by an alligator at a Disney resort in Florida.

"French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament."

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Consider the Beretta PX4 Storm in its “sub” variants. I wish I could get one of those here, but Canadian firearms law forbids side-arms with barrels shorter than 100mm (approx. 4 inches). We miss out on availability of quite a few sweet little numbers due to that law…

We have pre-election polls and exit polling to make an assessment of what impact Perot actually had on the outcome. In a three-way match-up nationally, in early June 1992, Perot led with 39%, Bush was second with 31%, while Bill Clinton trailed with 25%, according to Gallup. Perot exited the race during the Democratic convention in mid-July. In the immediate aftermath of the convention, Gallup had Clinton leading Bush 56% to 34%, clearly a post-convention bounce. But a month later, Clinton still led — by between 17 and 25 points — in half a dozen national media polls, with President Bush not exceeding 37% of the vote in any of them. In mid-September, with Perot still out of the race, an ABC News/Washington Post poll gave Clinton a commanding 58%, with the incumbent still stuck at a very familiar 37%.

(he was at about 8% when he re-entered the race in late September/early October)

Wow, I’m impressed you actually did some research here, thank you. I didn’t remember that Perot was ever actually leading. Imagine if he hadn’t dropped out of the race, he might have had a real shot at winning.

I’ve seen a lot of support. People holding vigils, blood donation lines out the door, counseling offered for free, I heard jet blue is offering free flights to families that need it. It’s a tragedy, but it shows how much goodwill there is in this town.

I’ve extended my hand to quite a few friends on FB from the gay community only to get it slapped away because I’m the wrong kind of sympathizer. Good to hear it’s different when being face to face with them.

TBF, It’s mostly FB garbage posts that are screaming GUNZ BAD! and I just say I disagree with the post, but I’m really sorry about the deaths. Tragedy. My fucking wall is covered in this and I have no desire to eat the shit sandwich they’re serving.

And this is why I deactivated facebook yesterday. I’d had enough of the ERMAHGERD GUNS! and weird twisted logic blaming conservatives and Christians for what some lone sad nutjob muslim did. Oh and the desperate need to interpret this as an attack on all days when that seems unlikely given this guy was also considering shooting up Disney instead.

I met my first big Trump supporter at the local Dairy Queen the other day. After making the decent pitch that we need a non-politician in the white house, he then started to categorize the different alien species and the treaties that previous presidents have signed with them…. “Where do you think the transistor came from!!?”

How screwed up is it that the presumptive GOP candidate is calling for expanding gun control measures and the presumptive Dem candidate is calling him reckless and dangerous for doing so? Jesus, is the NRA going to withdraw their endorsement of Trump and endorse Hillary? (Don’t be silly – if there’s any one group that defines the GOP establishment it’s the NRA, America’s largest gun control group, and they’re going to fall in line behind Trump just like they all fell in line behind McCain and Romney. Trump’s campaign sure is looking more and more like a re-run of 2008 and 2012. You really expect different results this time?)

Ultimately, most Canucks aren’t “Left-ist” at all — they’re utilitarians, and the better a political party here is at framing themselves as small-U utilitarian/pragmatist, the more likely they’ll get in (or stay in) power. Principles are for losers.

“French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament.”

This is why in last night’s threads I wanted more info. before pinning things on the Russians because the English are involved. The Russians claim they’ve faced racism while the government assert it can hurt relations with France.

Imagine you’re English. The climate is awful, the food unpalatable, and the women unattractive and so very British. Now you go to the soccer game and these yobber fucking Russians have smoking hot chicks cheering them on. I’d be rioting too.

“French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament.”

NPR Morning edition did an interview this morning with Jeseph Torres, student government president of Valencia College in Orlando where seven of the people killed in the Pulse nightclub shooting were students. Young Mr. Valencia ably deflected the reporter’s question about gun control, saying this wasn’t the time to take a position and politicize the tragedy (boom). The interviewer then asked him about his job in a sporting goods store where he sells (gasp) gunz. Noteworthy that NPR gave as much air time to the job of this guy than to the victims. Scumbags. But Torres has a great future in politics.

From experience with the FLDOC system: 1) Sex with an inmate 2) Buying drugs from an inmate

Things that will NOT get you fired 1) Bar fights between your softball team and another prison league team 2) Being a ringer for your prison league softball team (living in guard housing, drawing a guard check, not walking a shift, but playing softball) 3) Having a room temperature IQ

When I was a consultant in IT, I guess 2004, they had a whole group of guards at several prisons get caught buying steroids from inmates. Or brokered by inmates might be more truthful. I’m not sure the inmates ever had physical possession of the steroids.

AZ – Get caught masturbating in the aisle at Walmart. Smuggle a cell phone in. Screw a prisoner. (I know some of the guards from the local state and private prisons so I get to hear some of the shit that goes on).

Sounds like it was an air powered nailer. I think they would have had a much better chance of success with the powder actuated kind. Those things can fire a nail through like 8 2x4s (one has to test these things out).

As the fallout continues from the worst mass shooting in American history — and the latest in a string of gun atrocities over the last decade ? one thing seems clear. Our current, paltry regulation of the firearms industry is surely bad public policy, but it’s also something much deeper than that. Our current gun regime ? bought by the blood money of the industry-funded NRA ? is immoral and unjust.

Just like previous stains on the national soul ? such as slavery, and its evil cousin Jim Crow ? gun violence in America has defied and helped to break our conventional politics. The carnage in Orlando made it clear that it’s past time for the American majority that believes in love and decency to defy the gun lobby by any non-violent means necessary. Since our political leaders seem incapable of action, it’s time to summon the spirit of King, Gandhi, and the unsung civil-rights hero James Lawson and think of ways that citizen activists can fight the gun lobby, the manufacturers and the merchants of rapid-fire death, and their political enablers.

Gun control was a cornerstone of Jim Crow. Why do liberals want to disarm black people and now, with the terror watch list, Muslims? Won’t someone please shove their bullshit back into their faces?

I have been popping up on gun-grabber FB threads of late and pointing out that while U.S. gun ownership is increasing, U.S. violent crime rates in general and murder rates have been decreasing at rates similar to the decrease in Australia. I do this just to see how long it takes for their argument to devolve in to “argel-bargle for the chillunz!!11!!”

Also, without a total violent death trend line for both countries, its much harder to argue anything about whether guns are a convenient tool for violent death or an irreplaceable tool for violent death to some large segment of the population. Is that drop entirely due to suicides who had to do something else?

I chose to look at homicide rates specifically because the gun grabber assertion is, by limiting access to firearms it makes it more difficult to kill therefore there will be fewer murders. It also is, IMO, a more reliable and and objective data set that is less subject to reporting vagaries that make this sort of analysis difficult.

The responses I have gotten so far have indicate that the means that some one is murdered is far more important than the fact that they were murdered.

There’s something unsettling about the fact that these fucks are unable to believe that many millions of their fellow citizens disagree with them on this issue. Nope, it can’t be that, it’s that we know this one weird trick to eliminate terrorist shootings forever, but crooked politicians have been bought off by the distilled evil that is the NRA, or it’s false consciousness, or it’s that these stupid redneck teabag racist fucks have tiny penises. There’s never an acknowledgement that disagreement is possible.

The people in charge have no trouble believing that – it scares the bejebus out of them. But they find it politically useful to lie about that and pretend that it’s only a small, unhinged minority who support 2A rights.

From poor idiots like us who apparently are being brainwashed into buying guns by the NRA and the gun makers. We don’t actually enjoy shooting, admire the craftsmanship and engineering or care about the ability to defend ourselves.

“The first ever gun control was an attempt to disarm black Americans and give them no defense against white aggression.

Now y’all are demanding you ban people on the terrorist watch list, a list notorious for targeting innocent Muslims and Middle Easterners with no due process or even a method by which to challenge one’s inclusion in the list.

Just like the FIRST gun control, this is a blatant and RACIST attempt to disarm Muslims who might need a defense against Islamophobic aggression. How DARE you invoke civil rights leaders in your RACIST attempt to strip away the self-defense of Muslims against Islamophobia”

Do you think I used enough of the left’s language to denounce their stance?? I’m concerned I may have not accused them of racism /enough/.

I keep seeing this horseshit. The NRA is funded by its members, not the gun industry. And guess what? NRA members get to vote on the organization’s leadership, by-laws and policies. (Disclosure; I’ve been an NRA member since the 1970s and a Life Member since about 1995.)

What other civil rights groups have general elections for their board of directors and by-laws?

Breastfeeding, another issue where I just can’t care. I’ve said before, a lot of you on this board are libertarians because of deeply-felt commitment to liberty, but frankly, I’m libertarian by default. I simply don’t give a fuck if a woman wants to breastfeed in a store, on the subway, riding her bike. Who cares? How is it even possible to muster enough outrage for this to be a problem for someone?

I’m sorry these people lost their child, but maybe now people will pay attention to the warning signs. I see it all the time. Parents let their kids climb on rocks with signs that say “no climbing” and swim where it says “no wading/swimming”.

On the other hand, there’s a real tendency to label everything in this country as a danger, no matter how implausible. If there’s a big pile of rocks that looks fun for five-year-olds to climb on, the local mall will put up a sign just to ward off potential lawsuits, even if there’s no real danger. Boy-who-cried-wolf syndrome.

Disney has a beach resort at Vero Beach. Should they post a sign saying there is a real but incredibly small chance a shark or orca can attack you? Or should a visitor have a semblance of responsibility of knowing what exists in the native ecosystem?

They didn’t actually have alligators on them — they just said “no swimming”. I would hope Disney would now spend a few bucks to update their signs to say “NO REALLY, DON’T FUCKING SWIM IN THE ALLIGATOR INFESTED LAKE!”

Eh, you’re in Florida where everything is dangerous, so maybe you’re signs actually do mean danger, but where I live the “Don’t Climb On These Rocks” signs are just placed around in areas where it is ~relatively~ safe for kids to climb on rocks, just the owner of the land doesn’t want to get sued if your kid acts like an idiot and hurt themselves while doing so.

The Bill of Rights lays out certain rights human beings have which government cannot abridge, but when people use their rights to do bad things it’s time to re-think abridging them. The Constitution also lays out certain privileges afforded government and citizens, but when citizens and their elected representatives do bad things like refusing to abridge the Bill of Rights it’s time to re-think following the Constitution. Therefore, just as my fellow citizens and their representatives are declaring the Bill of Rights null and void, I am declaring the Constitution null and void and henceforth you must recognize me as your God-King. I haven’t yet worked out a full list of my commandments you shall be bound to obey, but the first is that you must pledge allegiance to your new Lord and Master.

The progs always talk about “gun laws,” which is implicitly failing to acknowledge the RKBA. Contrast that with the gay marriage debate when they were all about how state-sanctioned marriage was a right and no icky laws should be able to prevent that.

4. Now there are short and simple exercises which tire the body rapidly, and so save our time; and time is something of which we ought to keep strict account. These exercises are running, brandishing weights, and jumping, ? high-jumping or broad-jumping, or the kind which I may call, “the Priest’s dance,”[3] or, in slighting terms, “the clothes-cleaner’s jump.”[4] Select for practice any one of these, and you will find it plain and easy. 5. But whatever you do, come back soon from body to mind. The mind must be exercised both day and night, for it is nourished by moderate labour. and this form of exercise need not be hampered by cold or hot weather, or even by old age. Cultivate that good which improves with the years. 6. Of course I do not command you to be always bending over your books and your writing materials; the mind must have a change, ? but a change of such a kind that it is not unnerved, but merely unbent. Riding in a litter shakes up the body, and does not interfere with study: one may read, dictate, converse, or listen to another; nor does walking prevent any of these things.

What are the odds that someone gets killed at protests this summer? I’ve never seen it this bad. Maybe it’s just the internet making it seem worse than it is and I’m not there so I have no first hand, on the ground experience.

I don’t think we will see killings, but this may just be hope talking. I know we’re going to see police/protester violence. I suspect we may see attempted mob violence against politicians and their supporters. The Philadelphia convention is going to be a replay of Chicago in 68.

The authors are careful to note that their findings do not conclusively prove that gun restrictions reduce gun deaths. However, they did find a compelling trend whereby new restrictions on gun purchasing and ownership tended to be followed by a decline in gun deaths.

With Freedom comes responsibility… and side-effects that may not be ideal, but I would rather live with our current number of deaths by guns than not have the freedom to use them. And this is coming from someone who has done a bit of shooting but doesn’t own any guns.

many of his fans have chosen a different nickname for her ? one starting with a “b” and rhyming with “witch.”

The word is often shouted from the audience as Trump attacks her, murmured in pre-rally conversations and typed on Twitter. It appears on a popular button sold by vendors at many rallies: “Life’s a b—-, don’t vote for one.” And, most prominently, it is on those white T-shirts, created by the Ohio-based Street Talk Tees and sold at nearly all of Trump’s rallies.

In an interview last month, Trump said he was unaware that his fans were using the word.

“They’re what? They’re calling her what?” Trump said, as the word was repeated to him a second time. “I have not heard that. I don’t like that. But I have not heard that. I would not be happy if I heard it.”

!!!!OUTRAGE!!!! Seriously, who wants to print up “Hillary’s a leaky fucking minge box” t-shirts with me?

You think Trump’s even going to be nominated? If he’s not totally insane, he’ll see what a gigantic defeat he’s headed for, and he’ll decide it’s better business to arrange some deal where he drops out, rather than see his bullshit reputation as a bullshit “winner” go away when he’s roundly assfucked by a figure as pathetic as Hillary Clinton.

If this were a roulette wheel, and I were to have some “bet them or lose them” chips, I’d put them down on Trump to win the election.

Both Trump and Hillary will bullshit people and say whatever sequences of words they think will get their fat buts into the oval office. Trump is better at it than Hillary. He’ll have an easier time conning people into thinking he is the second coming of the great prophet zarquan. At this point the only people Hillary’s con attempts work on are the people who think Hillary’s vagina is very magical and ensows her with super-powers.

I think Trump has a chance due to how bad a candidate Clinton is (and the possibility of an economic downturn or something else that would look bad on the party holding the presidency), but I think Clinton is definitely the favorite. She really should not lose this, Trump has alienated too many people to an even greater extent than she has. And he hasn’t seemed to pivot to general election mode as many thought he would. If anyone would lose to him it would be Hillary Clinton, though (or an extremist, such as a self-identified socialist like Bernie Sanders, which says something about the Democratic presidential candidate field this year).

I want to talk today about the horrific human tragedy of Orlando. But first I want to talk about Hiroshima ? or, more precisely, the profound speech that President Obama gave there on May 27 that got lost in all the campaign noise here

What the president was describing is the central strategic issue of our time: the growing mismatch between the combined rapid evolution of our technological prowess and the powers this gives to a single individual or group to destroy at scale (you can make your own gun now with a 3-D-printer), and the pace of our moral and social evolution to govern and use these powers responsibly.

And that brings me to the Orlando massacre ? to what happens when, on a smaller scale, we refuse to reimagine the social and legal changes we need to manage a world where one loser can now kill so many innocent people. The notion that such a person ? any person ? should be able to buy a military-style assault rifle is insane. That the Republican Party cannot see the wisdom of common-sense guns laws is just begging for bigger massacres.

Stop for a moment and reflect on what this week would have been like had Donald Trump been president ? the carpet-bombing he’d have ordered in the Middle East, the fear and isolation his Muslim ban would have engendered in every Muslim-American, the joy that ISIS would have taken from being at war with all of America, the license this would have given to crazies in our own society to firebomb a mosque. And the backlash that would engender among Muslims around the world, the most radical of whom would be firebombing our embassies. When America goes nuts, the world goes nuts.

I don’t agree with Obama on all aspects of this issue, but the guy is thinking deeply and acting responsibly. Trump is shooting from the hip, spraying insults 360 degrees, telling lies, stoking fears and making threats that many in our military and the F.B.I. would refuse to implement. If you Republican senators and congressmen support Trump for president, he will own you ? and you will own everything he does.

It’s better to have a more humble and intellectual authoritarian in charge when it comes to giving up fundamental rights in the vain hope of gaining a little increased security. I believe this is the point of the article.

Yeah, but they’re doing it in the name of tolerance. After all, Republicans are intolerant, and tolerant people have a responsibility to murder intolerant people who disagree with them. After all, tolerant people have good intentions, so anyone who disagrees with them must be motivated by bad intentions, and therefore deserves to die in the name of tolerance, inclusiveness, and equality. Who can disagree with tolerance, inclusiveness and equality? Really. Who. Because they’re going on a list.

Can someone explain CNN to me? I went to an iHOP yesterday and the CNN news show was playing on Teevee. It had a story about the Orlando massacre with of visual backdrop of Donald Trump smirking at an awards ceremony for a beauty pageant that took place 20 years ago.

Herbert was the responding medic to the scene and described her arrival in detail during testimony. She said the first words she uttered to officers transporting Gray were: “What the f— did you guys do?”

According to Herbert, when the officers responded to her initial question, they said they didn’t know what happened. Herbert said one officer told her it could have been Gray “banging his head up against the side of the van.”

She described beginning medical interventions and feeling the back of his neck. He had no swelling, bruises or cuts visible. She said she saw some blood on his upper lip, right below his nose.

“I was trained that if non-breathing — what we call life-threatening — like Mr. Gray, and they poop themselves, that’s bad. And they may not come back,” she said.

She said when she touched his neck it “wasn’t in line and felt crumbly like a bag of rocks.”

“Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting.”

We all know gays are much more intelligent than that. They know that the government is there to protect them, and only stupid rednecks think they can protect themselves without accidentally shooting their family members.

Meanwhile, suggesting that women, blacks, and gays should take responsibility for protecting themselves is misogynist, racist, and homophobic.

Sounds like gay people have figured out they’re near the bottom of the SJW totem pole. When it comes to a choice between gays and Muslims, it’s not hard to notice which group gets tossed under the bus every time.

Here’s why Hillary can’t criticize Trump on Trump University: She and Bill were in their own education scam.

Bullshit. It’s exactly, precisely why Hillary needs to go after Trump over Trump U. A normal person might avoid making arguments which can easily lead to a pot/kettle response, but notice one of the first things Trump went after the Clintons on was Bill’s sexual indiscretions when Trump’s no slouch in that category. That’s how you troll.

If Hillary has a lick of sense she’d be going hardest at Trump for exactly the sort of stuff that would draw a “Oh yeah? What what about when you did the exact same thing?” to get in front of the argument and play offense rather than defense and specifically because raising that counter-argument is both entirely predictable and it’s conceding the point. “Sure Trump is a big fat lying crook, but so are you” is a losing argument because all that matters is the first part of that argument – “Trump is a big fat lying crook”. If she waits until Trump attacks her over the “scam university” issue – and you can be damn sure he will – then she’s the one stuck playing defense and playing defense in politics is always a losing proposition. It’s just sad and pathetic to be reduced to saying “Oh yeah? Well, you’re even worse than me” and then repeating your accusers arguments right back at them.

Given that he’s socially liberal and a republican you would think he’s be doing better than 11%

Actually, I’m shocked that it’s that high. You have one large segment who looks at that one line description and goes “Republican – nope” and another that looks at it and goes “Liberal – nope”. To the electorate he’s betrayed both sides.

According to a new poll, Hillary Clinton has the lead with 39 percent of the vote, followed by Donald Trump at 32 percent and Gary Johnson at 11 percent.

Polls always overestimate the number of votes third-party candidates will receive in a FPTP election. Johnson was regularly polling at 4-5% in 2012 from summer all the way to November before coming in at less than 1% in the actual election.

So evidently, The number of polled people in America that hate Trump and Clinton is highly exaggerated.

If it were the case, our guy Gary over here should had had this hand-over-fist.

Not necessarily. The “If I don’t vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in” mentality among Democrat and Republican voters should not be underestimated. A lot of people who hate Hillary are nonetheless going to vote for her because they hate Trump that much more. The converse is also true. Ask them why they wouldn’t just vote for Johnson or another third party and you’ll get an incredulous, “What!? And throw my vote away!?”