<div dir="ltr">Actually the reason I and many of my female hacker friends don't go to noisebridge is exactly why John was saying. I would honestly rather hang out on Mission St out front, than hang out at noisebridge, what with the way I have been approached in the space, and the type of people who I normally encounter on my relatively rare visits there. <div>
<br></div><div style>-hep</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">> Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were there a<br>
> while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere else?<br>
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no way dude. i just checked with all the feminists and we'd rather hang out with sketchy street people than brogrammers any day of the week. next scapegoat please.<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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On 1/17/2013 3:27 PM, John Withers wrote:<br>
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On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:57 -0800, johny radio wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Your solution seems based on the assumption that whomever gave access<br>
to the bad actor is a collaborator. That may be true in some cases,<br>
but surely not most.<br>
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I think what Jake's pretty smart thinking here does is force us to start<br>
taking some responsibility for our community and the people entering<br>
into it and is proposing one of the only workable ways I have heard so<br>
far to do this.<br>
<br>
Look around NB, Johny, see a lot of the female hackers that were there a<br>
while ago? Where did they all go? Is there a convention somewhere else?<br>
What has been stated by many people and while I don't personally<br>
experience it, being male and all, I believe completely, is that NB has<br>
become even more hostile and dangerous to women than is average in the<br>
tech nerd community (which already has huge and well known issues in<br>
this area). This is because we don't take responsibility for our<br>
community and who is in it.<br>
<br>
We can't have nice things. This has been belabored in recent<br>
conversations over and over and in waves since the dawn of NB time. Why<br>
can't we have nice things? Why do hardware hackers realize we can't work<br>
on any project we can't carry in and out of the space because if we<br>
leave anything on our shelves, no matter how esoteric, there is a 50%<br>
chance it is going to disappear? Because we don't take responsibility<br>
for our community and who is in it.<br>
<br>
Jake's thinking here isn't the solution to the problems of our community,<br>
but it sure looks to me like a step in the right direction.<br>
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-john<br>
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