Originally posted by NavyDoc
If you've never adopted the whole "bush lied" meme, then you are consistent and I applaude you for that.
However, that is not what the DNC as a whole nor most of the media did is it?

And the RNC adopts the whole Obama is a Socialist meme.

Both sides are reaching out to their retarded base underlings that need simple memes verses comples discussions.

Personally I think Bush is incapable of lying. I also think he was incapable of having foresight, filters, leadership over his staff
(Cheney/Rumsfield), or a good ideas..but he was a "good guy" overall...

Kinda guy you would have a beer with

but not one you would want running the nation.

which was my issue with him personally...he was barely even existant..a mouthpiece for Karl Rove and company's agenda...and I don't like Karl's
agenda.

Well, you could say the same thing about Obama: nice guy, nice smile, lilke to have a beer with but ZERO experience before taking office and not much
in office except a nice package, so there you go.

Socialist? I read both his books and the books of his mentors, so yeah, he does espouse socialist ideals. That is an individual thought brought up by
study and consideration. You can dissmiss others as being mindless, shills, but cannot I say the same thing about you? I've actually not accused you
of any such behavior yet I wonder why you jump on me with this? Some form of projection? I like polite discourse and ask you to do the same. Is that
so difficult?

ONe can say that Obama is the frontman of Soros or Axelrod or Jarrett. I don't like any of their agendas either.

Both sides are reaching out to their retarded base underlings that need simple memes verses comples discussions.

You can dissmiss others as being mindless, shills, but cannot I say the same thing about you? I've actually not accused you of any such behavior yet
I wonder why you jump on me with this? Some form of projection? I like polite discourse and ask you to do the same. Is that so difficult?

ONe can say that Obama is the frontman of Soros or Axelrod or Jarrett. I don't like any of their agendas either.

Please show me where I singled you out...
are you the RNC?

If you however believe Obama is a socialist, then you do not understand the term.
Although there are many different sub groups of socialism, overall, the general push is that he is a marxist-Leninist (which is communism incidently,
not socialism) moreso than a libertarian style socialism..which is utter rubbish. Obama is, like pretty much every president before him, a capitalist
who uses a bit of socialism for reinforcing the safety net.
If he was a true socialist, there wouldn't be a insurance mandate, there would be a single payer healthcare system run by the government. Instead, we
get this capitalist/corporatist trash about purchasing insurance.

Corrupting a word does not make a person fit that word..it just corrupts the word, and makes the corrupters seem unwilling or unable to read a simple
definition.

And every leader in every nation, state, kingdom, fifedom, tribe, etc has been responsible for setting up the redistribution of wealth...This is the
very core nature of taxation.

Obama likes to breath air also, that doesn't make him a balloon.

Anyhow, back to the first point
Please show me where I took a general view about memes and said this is you?

You may be part, but I was not directing it at you..in the same way you were not directing at me the bush lied, people died meme of the dnc.

Both sides are reaching out to their retarded base underlings that need simple memes verses comples discussions.

You can dissmiss others as being mindless, shills, but cannot I say the same thing about you? I've actually not accused you of any such behavior yet
I wonder why you jump on me with this? Some form of projection? I like polite discourse and ask you to do the same. Is that so difficult?

ONe can say that Obama is the frontman of Soros or Axelrod or Jarrett. I don't like any of their agendas either.

Please show me where I singled you out...
are you the RNC?

If you however believe Obama is a socialist, then you do not understand the term.
Although there are many different sub groups of socialism, overall, the general push is that he is a marxist-Leninist (which is communism incidently,
not socialism) moreso than a libertarian style socialism..which is utter rubbish. Obama is, like pretty much every president before him, a capitalist
who uses a bit of socialism for reinforcing the safety net.
If he was a true socialist, there wouldn't be a insurance mandate, there would be a single payer healthcare system run by the government. Instead, we
get this capitalist/corporatist trash about purchasing insurance.

Corrupting a word does not make a person fit that word..it just corrupts the word, and makes the corrupters seem unwilling or unable to read a simple
definition.

And every leader in every nation, state, kingdom, fifedom, tribe, etc has been responsible for setting up the redistribution of wealth...This is the
very core nature of taxation.

Obama likes to breath air also, that doesn't make him a balloon.

Anyhow, back to the first point
Please show me where I took a general view about memes and said this is you?

You may be part, but I was not directing it at you..in the same way you were not directing at me the bush lied, people died meme of the dnc.

The reply:

And the RNC adopts the whole Obama is a Socialist meme.

In response to me, seemed directed to me and I apologise if that was not your intent. THe difficulty with a conversation in a BB ( do they even use
the term "bulletin board" anymore?) is that one loses the nuances and meanings that one gets in a regular conversation. Please accept my apology.

I'm well versed in Socialism and what it means. There are many types and I would describe Obama as a Fabian Socialist. Fabian socialists have their
beliefs, but work within the free market framework and compromise in the short term to work for the longterm goal.

Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I
sometimes attended at Cooper Union" - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

Forget about things like ineptitude, incompetence, or known shillary just to name 3.

btw, Susan rice knows all about Libya.

Does anybody remember this...........

(March 2011 article)

The Washington Post reports that a troika of female advisers--Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power--are, by and large, responsible for
persuading President Obama-- against the advice of Robert Gates and other members of the military establishment--that bombing Libya is a good idea.
Power has condemned American foreign policy for failing to intervene sufficiently to avert genocidal wars, particularly in Bosnia and Rwanda. Bill
Clinton has himself said that his biggest regret was not intervening in Rwanda to stop the carnage.

Now these Valkyries of foreign affairs want to come riding in on a new humanitarian mission to rescue the Libyan people from their oppressor. But will
it end happily? Or will it be a new chapter in the twilight of the Gods--another blow to mighty America's reputation?

That a diplomatic team led by Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power advocated military action against Gaddafi may be a footnote in the
Libyan conflict—but it is a significant mark of our nation's evolution, argues John Avlon.

The Libyan airstrikes mark the first time in U.S. history that a female-dominated diplomatic team has urged military action.

For starters, McCain and Graham are going to regret making the statements they've made regarding Susan Rice. They have no evidence to indicate that
she lied about anything. All indications are, that she relayed the information as it was given to her and nothing more.

McCain and Graham are a perfect example of "The Problem" facing american politics today. They are both incompetent cowards who choose to make false
& inflammatory statements to the press instead of attending the intelligence hearings designed to disclose the facts surrounding the incident.
Cowards because of the fact that they have chosen to attack the messenger, (namely Susan Rice) and make her the scapegoat for their lack of knowledge,
when it is they who choose not to be properly informed.

Not to worry though. I would imagine that by the time the 2014 mid-term elections are over, these two hypocrites will be driven to extinction, like
the dinosaurs they are.

In case you couldn't tell, I think I'll be siding with the House women on this one.

Kind of like the cowards who imprisoned a man over his right to free speech to cover up their own incompetence?By the way I think he is still in
prison over his video.

My employees can surf the net as much as they like as long as they deliver on agreed upon goals. It's not an hourly thing...it's about getting the job
done. Sometimes there are late nights...sometimes employees take days off to get things done at home...it's goal and milestone driven, not punching a
clock.

So, you are goals driven. That is great. You got to decide how your business functions.
Funny, as you seem to slam others for wanting to run their business in that same manner, you know, how they want to.

Originally posted by Indigo5
But honestly...Personal and off topic much? I am trying to be charitable here, but given your usual tone...I'll ask nice to cease with the personal
attacks/snark.

Spare me your false dramatic victim-ism.
There is no attack and no snark. It is a questions, and it sounds like you don't like answering questionings.

Originally posted by Indigo5

That is hilarious...Mitt Romney was "Demanding answers!!!" before the attack was even over. The GOP was frothing at the mouth to exploit American
deaths.

So in response to an apparently insincere call for immediate transparency...she says...

RICE: Well, Jake, first of all, it's important to know that there's an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That
will tell us with certainty what transpired.

...our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present,....

...We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that's the best information we have at present. ....

She qualified the statement at every turn...Sure they could have waited until they had confirmed answers...but the GOP wouldn't.

She repeated lies. Plan and simple.

Originally posted by Indigo5

You mean the majority of the country and the Administration that just handed the GOPs ass to them to thier shock and dismay?

Yep, same group as they have been caught in yet another lie where people have lost their lives.

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