the separation of church and state that should be. let me playwhatralphreedsaidon "meet the press" regarding the court and his opposition to same-sex marriage. let's play it. >> i think the issue before the court and the issue before the american people, and they have after all voted in 31 state referenceum. only three have voted the other way. so this tests very differently at the ballot box than a poll. the issue before the country is, do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable enduring and uniquely complimentary and pro creative union of a man and a woman. >> divorce rates -- >> no. the answer -- that would be an argument for why we ought to strengthen it. >> the reason why is because it is better for children and all the social science shows that. >> so liz, you talk about the complexity but here you have a conservative bringing it down to procreation and family. you have folks saying go after divorce. and try to fight, for example, the right to have a divorce as other posed to someone who wants to be married. in many cases they have children that they'v

support gay marriagebutralphreedthisis a fundamental principle for our party. what do you do? >> soul-searching in the party right now. but to joel's point earlier, this is very much a generational divide. if you look at evangelical millennials, 64% of evangelical million ennials. if you look at republican million ennials, at 58% support for same-sex marriage. america is changing. >> the number i'm always struck by, "washington post" poll, 1849 self-identified republicans. 53%. >> remarkable, generational shift. >> going forward, hillary clinton last week, she had been one of the last -- i don't want to say hold-outs but high-profile people to switch. is this a position you must have to be a serious contender going forward in democratic party politics? you must support gay marriage? >> i think this is a position that anybody running for public office is going to have to have. >> republicans included. >> absolutely. look, the country has changed. this is a position in every demographic group. the numbers you just cited, their views have changed on this over the last ten years. they hav