actually its not very little guaranteed if you look at OLB guaranteed money ... I'm pretty sure it's top 5 , at least top 10 ... And lets be serious here he isn't that... But the fact it was a reality offer and not an over exaggerating amount of guaranteed is why it got declined

Not just the guaranteed money, it was really the signing bonus that turned me off. The prorated number is so small (and nothing beyond that in years 3-6 was guaranteed), that you could cut him after year 3 and only have a $3.2m cap hit. Structured differently, a 6 year 38m offer could have been a no-brainer, just not the way you guys did.

Basically right on the cusp of being top 10 Guaranteed and top 10 signing Bonus in Spotrac OLB Rankings ... ask yourself would you consider him top 10 OLB??

Well yeah we want to give our self an out ... the guy is always injured, had a decent showing last year , but guess what got injured again ... Never been a full time starter ... If he plays good , then we wouldn't cut him and he'd have a solid salary ... I mean I know he'll get more in FA in FFMD because its fake money ... But In real life , I doubt he gets anything close to even what we offered (at least he shouldn't)

and I don't want it to sound like I'm Complaining ... Because I understand your guys job as Agent is hard, and takes a lot of time ... just pointing out that the contract isn't that bad of a deal for the guy

no, it's not a bad deal. But I generally like to think it would have to be a good deal or better to prevent a guy from test FA. That's how I approach accepting these offers_________________<Rammy

I'm just an observer, but some of those contracts offered and accepted were ridiculous. Jimmy Graham isn't accepting a 7 year, 60m contract. It's too long for both parties, and it barely averages more than Gronk got with his injury history. How was that an exceptional deal for him?

Sam Shields got 4/32 with only 13 guaranteed. Jairus Byrd has had a contract dispute all season but is taking a contract comparable to ones signed two years ago. Eli Manning isn't sign a 6 year extension that makes him lower paid than Joe Flacco regardless of his poor season.

cbrunn, regarding your private message (just so others know my thoughts if those players eventually do become targets)...neither are bad suggestions or "out of the box" at all.....but IMO...

EM is decent but somewhat overrated. I would definitely bring him into compete for the right price, but "break the bank"? I personally think that outside of one season, he has been merely an above average to decent player. I think he is better than what we currently have, but not at the price it will likely take to get him.

LJ is actually a guy Id definitely like to take a shot at. Unlike the Joker, he is a guy I think we actually have a shot at landing._________________Steelers Chise - Follow

Well out of the box , cause I'd like to get rid of somebody else too have more cap room to pursue these guys ... but I know you guys would never agree

lets call target 1 the penguin - I feel he's always been great , on bad collective units - pair him w/ our on coming guys and he'll thrive ... but of course will need to over pay cause it's FFMD

lets call target 2 umm Dare Devil - I'm not sure they're allowed to do that , but if so , i'd make a hard push to get him

lol can think of different code names - I don't really know Comic book/super heros that much

Thats because you dont rob Peter to pay Paul.

Meaning, its counterproductive to sacrifice the quality of one area of a team to make another area better.....unless it involves a QB or you have suitable replacements for players youre letting go.

I think we can pursue LJ without having to cut anyone notable.

However, I really have no interest in EM for the money he will get.

Rob Peter who is past prime going downhill who you have for 1 year to pay Peter who is just reaching his prime and you'll have locked up for what should be his prime (teams will always have holes no team is perfect , you just got to pick and choose where you think you could overcome those short comings , but hopefully the extension can be put through , that extra 4 mill would help)

Well out of the box , cause I'd like to get rid of somebody else too have more cap room to pursue these guys ... but I know you guys would never agree

lets call target 1 the penguin - I feel he's always been great , on bad collective units - pair him w/ our on coming guys and he'll thrive ... but of course will need to over pay cause it's FFMD

lets call target 2 umm Dare Devil - I'm not sure they're allowed to do that , but if so , i'd make a hard push to get him

lol can think of different code names - I don't really know Comic book/super heros that much

Thats because you dont rob Peter to pay Paul.

Meaning, its counterproductive to sacrifice the quality of one area of a team to make another area better.....unless it involves a QB or you have suitable replacements for players youre letting go.

I think we can pursue LJ without having to cut anyone notable.

However, I really have no interest in EM for the money he will get.

Rob Peter who is past prime going downhill who you have for 1 year to pay Peter who is just reaching his prime and you'll have locked up for what should be his prime (teams will always have holes no team is perfect , you just got to pick and choose where you think you could overcome those short comings , but hopefully the extension can be put through , that extra 4 mill would help)