Guest Post: The Face of Genocidal Eco-Fascism

This is Finnish writer Pentti Linkola — a man who demands that the human population reduce its size to around 500 million and abandon modern technology and the pursuit of economic growth — in his own words.

He likens Earth today to an overflowing lifeboat:

What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.

He sees America as the root of the problem:

The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world: growth and freedom.

He unapologetically advocates bloodthirsty dictatorship:

Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent a dictator that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. The best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and where government would prevent any economical growth.

We will have to learn from the history of revolutionary movements — the national socialists, the Finnish Stalinists, from the many stages of the Russian revolution, from the methods of the Red Brigades — and forget our narcissistic selves.

A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on desire. Society and life have been organized on the basis of what an individual wants, not on what is good for him or her.

As is often the way with extremist central planners Linkola believes he knows what is best for each and every individual, as well as society as a whole:

Just as only one out of 100,000 has the talent to be an engineer or an acrobat, only a few are those truly capable of managing the matters of a nation or mankind as a whole. In this time and this part of the World we are headlessly hanging on democracy and the parliamentary system, even though these are the most mindless and desperate experiments of mankind. In democratic coutries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most. Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.

In that sense, Linkola’s agenda is really nothing new; it is as old as humans. And I am barely scratching the surface; Linkola has called for “some trans-national body like the UN” to reduce the population “via nuclear weapons” or with “bacteriological and chemical attacks”.

But really he is just another freedom-hating authoritarian — like the Nazis and Stalinists he so admires — who desires control over his fellow humans. Ecology, I think, is window-dressing. Certainly, he seems to have no real admiration or even concept of nature as a self-sustaining, self-organising mechanism, or faith that nature will be able to overcome whatever humanity throws at it. Nor does he seem to have any appreciation for the concept that humans are a product of and part of nature; if nature did not want us doing what we do nature would never have produced us. Nature is greater and smarter than we will probably ever be. I trust nature; Linkola seems to think he knows better. As George Carlin noted:

We’re so self-important. Everybody’s gonna save something now. Save the trees. Save the bees. Save the whales. Save those snails. And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet? We don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven’t learned how to care for one another and we’re gonna save the fucking planet?

There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are fucked. Difference. The planet is fine.

Linkola and similar thinkers seem to have no real interest in meeting the challenges of life on Earth. Their platform seems less about the environment and more about exerting control over the rest of humanity. Linkola glories in brutality, suffering and mass-murder.

Now Linkola is just one fringe voice. But he embodies the key characteristic of the environmental movement today: the belief that human beings are a threat to their environment, and in order for that threat to be neutralised, governments must take away our rights to make our own decisionsand implement some form of central planning. Linkola, of course, advocates an extreme and vile form of Malthusianism including genocide, forced abortion and eugenics.

But all forms of central planning are a dead end and lead inexorably toward breakdown; as Hayek demonstrated conclusively in the 1930s central planners have always had a horrible track record in decision making, because their decisions lack the dynamic feedback mechanism present in the market. This means that capital and labour are misallocated, and anyone who has studied even a cursory history of the USSR or Maoist China knows the kinds of outcomes that this has lead to: at best the rotting ghost cities of China today, and at worst the mass starvation of the Great Leap Forward resulting in millions of deaths and untold misery.

Environmentalists should instead pursue ideas that respect individual liberty and markets. There is more potential in developing technical solutions to environmental challenges than there is in implementing central planning.

If we are emitting excessive quantities of CO2 we don’t have to resort to authoritarian solutions. It’s far easier to develop and market technologies like carbon scrubbing trees (that already exist today) that can literally strip CO2 out of the air than it is to try and develop and enforce top-down controlling rules and regulations on individual carbon output. Or (even more simply), plant lots of trees and other such foliage (e.g. algae).

If the dangers of non-biodegradable plastic threaten our oceans, then develop and market processes (that already exist today) to clean up these plastics.

Worried about resource depletion? Asteroid mining can give us access to thousands of tonnes of metals, water, and even hydrocarbons (methane, etc). For more bountiful energy, synthetic oil technology exists today. And of course, more capturable solar energy hits the Earth in sunlight in a single day than we use in a year.

The real problem with centrally-planned Malthusian population reduction programs is that they greatly underestimate the value of human beings.

More people means more potential output — both in economic terms, as well as in terms of ideas. Simply, the more people on the planet, the more hours and brainpower we have to create technical solutions to these challenges. After all, the expansion of human capacity through technical development was precisely how humanity overcame the short-sighted and foolish apocalypticism of Thomas Malthus who wrongly predicted an imminent population crash in the 19th century.

My suggestion for all such thinkers is that if they want to reduce the global population they should measure up to their words and go first.

A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.

Even looks like him ... but he's over-thinking it, we'll get paired down one way or another, so no need to rush it.

And we are life too, just a wee bit more significant than a fucking whale, I'd say, space telescopes and all that. If life destroys and eats other life simply in order to live, well, the dinosuars did too ... bite me!

We didn't make the rules, in this mortal-phase of the infinite life. Life balances itself, we are along for the ride, and ultimately control no part of that process.

Life itself is the boss, we are just the accessory meat bags;

“In the world I see – you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You’ll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You’ll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you’ll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.” - Tyler Durden

i suppport these guys, and i think they should lead by example, by killing themselves 1st. here you go pal, ill provide, the axe, bullet, or smack overdose. what ever JUST DO IT. prove your dedication to your belief

We will have to learn from the history of revolutionary movements — the national socialists, the Finnish Stalinists, from the many stages of the Russian revolution, from the methods of the Red Brigades — and forget our narcissistic selves.

Because he likes to see how stupid people are (you know, kind of like the reason why folks watch all those "reality" TV shows), people spending their time clicking on "Like" and talking about how ugly HE is, rather than engaging in debate over the fate of our future.

Geez, big difference between “adios sweetie, we’re slicing your head off because you screwed a non-elite guy” and “watch out, be afraid, bad juju from heaven is your final fate if you are evil”.

I am no Bible banger, but I can tell the difference between a constructive human community with flaws and evil.

I can also tell the difference between a genuine religion and a world-wide political movement of mysogyny and subjugation masquerading as one and which violently promulgates itself and presents a slave owning polygamist pedophile and murdering despot as a holy prophet.

Of course the people who don’t get it are the same ones that say an (in-fact) born British colonial subject son of an alcoholic bigamist Kenyan killer is a natural born American, legitimate and fit to be President.

He should lead by example and take his own life immediately. He will have accomplished his stated goal.... starting with himself. Why is it that the nut bags always suggest that everyone else should die, but they find that they should live?

I nominate him as a contestant on "Real World Pyongyang". We let the North Koreans think its a great way to show the world what their like, and get the less humans / less technology / pro-totalitarianism supporters as contestants on a reality TV show where they get to live and work in North Korea for a year, and we film it all with hidden cameras and stream it on the Internet. Then we have the secret confessions where they get to tell us what they think. What do you think, does it have potential?

Awareness of the arguments of a madman is required in order to develop and provide intelligent rebuttals to that same larger audience. Quite frankly, there are many fringe voices like this in the halls of capital hill. Instead of using axes, they tend to this same thesis with the use of printing tools and media outlets.In the end, both this mad man and the ones in Eccles are after digits.The former looking at fingers, the latter looking at binary ones.

Good question - and I agree, we should be very cautious about giving a wider audience to people like him.

But the reason he's important to highlight is because his views represent the logical end-point of a way of thinking that a lot of people embrace. As soon as someone starts going on about "overpopulation" and the world having "too many people" - and you hear that all the time - the natural question is: so, what? If "too many people" is the problem, is the "solution" to reduce the world population, and if so, how?

He's just come right out and said what a lot of people are thinking, either consciously or unconsciously: mankind is the problem, so the solution is to get rid of mankind. Starting with everyone else first, of course.

And that's precisely the problem: there is a deep, sickening narcissism to it. The problem isn't onesself; it's everyone else. When he starts yammering on about the one in a hundred thousand (and you have to think he thinks he's one of those select few), what he's saying is, it's the one who is important (himself), and everyone else is disposible.

All this comes around to a central point of liberty: it's the people, individually and collectively, who are important, and from a societal perspective, each person is equal and of the same value as everyone else. The problem with the authoritarians is that they reject that premise, and put themselves above everyone else. The "earth first" crowd are just as bad: they put "the earth" above everyone else, but then quietly put themselves above the earth (because, you know, they're its guardians and all). In other words, they're authoritarians, but with a green coat of paint.

The same problem, overpopulation, can be solved in a more moderate manner by increasing urbanization and women's education levels in poorer countries, which leads to a lower birth rate voluntarily rather than through genocide or compulsory sterilization. Any idea if taken to such extremes can be shown to be insane. Polarization is never the solution to a difference of views.

Ironic that people can be pro-technology ("technology will save us all") while one of technology's biggest figures is also claimed by said people (and I don't dispute it) to be foisting eugenics on people, people of the brown-skin variety (who are consuming TPTB's resources [and the technology minions support them in their fight- slave battles with master to battle other slaves]).

The great thing about education is that once a person is educated they tend not to adhere to religious dogma, overpopulation is yet another reason why religions should be ridiculed into obscurity, all of them.

Of course, the White House has long supported coercive and aggressive family planning policies both officially and unofficially under many presidents. It’s an open secret that the many countries around the world have accepted policies largely dictated by private billionaires, foundations, the United Nations and powerful Western countries like the U.S. A National Security memorandum issued under Henry Kissinger in the 1970s directly advocated forcible population reduction throughout the developing world as a national security priority.

China’s harsh measures were encouraged by the West, so it is no wonder Biden was found ‘understanding’ the policy over in China while finding it ‘repugnant’ here at home in the U.S.

I'm really looking forward to more people making the connections between Nixon "opening China" & going off the gold standard, and his confidante, National "Security" Advisor, and Secretary of State - Kissinger. would love to be reading more on this *here* - and making the connections between the Rothschilds moving "into" China, and investing in "weather channels". . . I know it seems like, wha? where's the connections here?? - but if one factors in the more peripheral stories and pays close attention - it sure is starting to fascinate, shall we say.

just reading between the lines, having learned some of the doublespeak of the elites, and their buzzwords. . . it's very creepy, but when one begins to watch for globalists in action, the one world story gets more obvious daily. . .

"they" don't have national boundaries - why would they? the whole world is accessible to them, they just move from host to host like the bloodsucking ticks they are - if we study how China has been manipulated "forward" since the 70's, the pattern is so obvious - including the "one child policy" experiment (India also favours male babies, female infanticide is a problem there too, skewing the population) - more males will tend to create more competition for "brides" - which sure, can lead to wars, but also! these men will seek partners outside their "nationalities" and a further "melting pot" (with all the drama we can see now in "nationalism" vs. "immigrants") - ahhh, I could go on! and I do. . .

thanks for those links, will look into them, see what the "perspective" might be. . .

ahh yes, the "future" written about in the "past" begins to make itself known in the "now"

At almost a quarter of the population already enrolled for Aadhaar and the unique identity project surpasses the US human database. Aadhaar also promises to be the panacea for e-governance in India - no duplicates, no frauds and one that an individual need not remember, like a password.

As pilots --using Aadhaar to authenticate people -- convert to actual rollout, people will be able to use fingerprints to avail of government subsidies, insurance policies, buy fertiliser or open bank accounts.

dystopian fiction becomes reality. . . surreal, isn't it! anyone who believes that once "they" have this technology - and many other versions globally - "they" won't use it to shape all human interactions, but mostly with "authority" figures, if one can't see this now, ahhh, well. . .

given the intelligence *cough* of average peoples, and the lack of empathy as one moves further up the "chain" - makes me glad to be older and less attached to most things.

I understand your point but I disagree that education of women would have an impact on birth rates. Yes, it does seem to correlate but I think, in reality, culture and religion have more impact. I am always amazed that education is suggested as the panacea to all ills. Most women even in the poorest countries know about contraception. A while back I saw a documentary about a group of western women bringing contraception to women in 3rd world countries. Many women had attended the meetings in secret, afraid if their husbands were to find out they would be severely beaten or killed! These concepts are just lost on us westerners. So I think the solutions to over population are more complex than they appear.

giving women the tools to understand their environment, simple maths in particular, gives them access to simple trades, such as buying something and reselling it at a profit, small "shopkeeping" or "manufacturing" - micro-loans have proven this over and over. once freed from needing to align themselves with someone who has more access to these things, usually men in most cultures, then they are also more free to make a choice as to who they may partner with, and don't necessarily have to been beaten into submission daily, and kept indoors bearing & raising multiple children, sold to the man by her parents, etc.

as to the "western women bringing contraception to the 3rd world" - that's a whole 'nother ball game that I won't get into here - but giving women more access to being self-supporting, however that begins, always results in some women making better lives for themselves and their children - should they choose to have any. . .

Many women had attended the meetings in secret, afraid if their husbands were to find out they would be severely beaten or killed!

this is a very important sentence that points to what I'm saying. "overpopulation" happens here, when there is no autonomy for women because they are reliant on trading their body for existence. to empower them towards existence without sexual slavery is to help with the idea of "over" population, every nation that allows for the same education and cultural privileges of women, that are "naturally" accorded men, has proven this. "over" population happens when women are kept as sexual slaves, and have limited choices in their existence.

Wow, you are a very eloquent writer and being too scientifically bent, I can often be verbally challenged. With that said, I'll give it a shot. Giving tools to women, micro loans, etc have been proven to be a dramatic success rather than massive government loans which, historically, have often been used inappropriately by receiving countries (Africa especially comes to mind) to benefit the few in power ( generally men). So Im essentially in agreement with you. However if the society is extremely patriarchal, giving these women these opportunities can be dangerous. For those situations I believe it's better to have the men "educated" first before any meaningful change can be attempted for the women. Unfortunately, those in power don't often readily want to release it and will act violently if there is a hint of the status quo being disrupted. Perhaps I'm just biased. I work with a Persian women who is very active in woman issues in Iran, organizing demonstrations and funneling monies through intermediaries to support them. I'm continually shocked with her stories what these women go through under the guise of "religion". One of her close friends who's wheelchair bound after being beaten for 3 days in jail wants to do another demonstration. My friend was crying as she emailed her begging her not to and turned to me and asked "why don't you Americans have any courage?" That floored me. Frankly because it's true, I don't have that kind of courage. I'm an arm chair critic that gets her jollies reading ZH, walking my dogs at sunset, going to yoga and shopping the farmers market. I have a life that 99percent of the world would be envious and though I truly appreciate my life do I have what it takes to defend it if it ever were to be challenged? Food for thought.

The bottom line is is that I don't disagree with any of your ideas, you are obviously well read, articulate and thoughtful. This is always been a personal goal of mine and it is an honor to interact with someone as you.

lol, you'd no doubt be entertained were the tables turned and I had to "talk science" - but I thank you for your kind opinion.

and I don't disagree with your point of view, in that educating women does create dangerous friction for them within the context of existing relationships & culture.

however! educating younger women within their cultural context allows them to coexist with their peoples, yet teach incrementally, doing so in ways that can nudge some out of their fear and habits. some can lead by example, some can share ideas within their circles, etc.

as someone who was raised inside a cultish religion and had a completely dysfunctional, abusive parental authority, which I left behind as soon as I was nearly "legal" - I know how mind numbing living within a patriarchal "home" can be - I had music to keep me company until I could leave, lyrics to inspire me, as lame as that sounds. . . and I read, voraciously, on the sly, everything I could get my hands on that showed a world outside of the religious household I was held in.

when I left home, I also left amrka soon after, and that too opened my eyes, broke my habitual way of "seeing" the world (amrkn's are so self-centered when it comes to the rest of the world, sadly), exposed me to people from the world over - I saw how privileged amrkns are, which makes them complacent . .

your story about your Iranian co-worker, who asks you why amrkns have no courage, I've had the conversation repeatedly, and heard many versions of answers. . . your honest descriptions of your day, your life, illustrate that you feel no need for "courage" in the face of relative comfort - which clearly the women you describe do not feel they have, and so they MUST act or die a little inside every day.

I've done a lot of volunteer work with women, Somali, Pakistani, Afghan, and others, the stories they tell are heartbreaking, and the courage it must take to just stay alive makes me feel very very small at times. I'm in the support them to do their own work camp, rather than impose "western values" (phew! oxymoron, eh) - you might find this site of some interest? or to share with your friend:

RAWA is the oldest political/social organization of Afghan women struggling for peace, freedom, democracy and women's rights in fundamentalism-blighted Afghanistan since 1977.

Dear Turkey Vulture ( one of your namesakes was circling over head on my road as I drove home today eyeing a dead rabbit so I thought this was a good time to reply)

It appears we have led parallel lives in many ways. I too was raised in a dysfunctional home but it was matriarchal in my case. I was psychologically and physically abused (once beaten to near unconsciousness ) by my mother and grandmother so I can empathize with your childhood. Religion was somewhat thematic but not fanatical. My father ardently loved me but was rarely home and couldn't protect me. When he died when I was 21 I "escaped" too with the help of my boyfriend at the time who is now my husband. He also had a similar childhood without the physical abuse. So we saved each other. But I quickly found out you can take someone out of hell but it's much harder to take the hell out of an individual. I have spent 25 years fighting these
demons of the past and he stood by me through the worst of it. A few
years ago I joined a group of women working on similar issues ( very hard
for me, I had a strong natural distrust of women) and with their kind, non
judgmental help I now can experience true joy for the first time in my life

Perhaps that's why I claim to have no courage. I was abused as I child and had no choice but to take it, just to survive. When facing this as an adult there are choices and this is where I'm afraid to fail. But you stated
so well the incremental steps women can take in abusive environments
which are probably the most effective. I need to have more patience(not
my forte!) with myself

Thankyou for the link. I will look at it and share it with my friend. I need a
good kick in my complacency...well may be a nudge. The more people
that care and attempt to improve the sorry state the world is in now can only improve matters. Failure is simply doing nothing.

I'm slowing getting better from this terrible cold. This morning I was treated with a paroxysm of violent coughing which prompted my husband to propose digging a hole in the backyard just in case. But I think I'm going to pull through. I'm rarely sick and being impatient makes for a bad combination! A pleasure as always to talk to you...until we meet again on the threads.

I think what that guy with the fancy hair, Linkola is saying is nonsense:YES there's a waste of resources, and there's too many people consuming useless crap. HOWEVER, this consumer economy has had a guidance, and still does; i.o.w. consumers are herded towards buying more useless crap, with a higher turnover, because it breaks sooner.The few that tried to build a SUSTAINABLE CAPITALIST model have been hindered (prevented to put their products that are sustainable, on the market). Especially after 1989 (Soviet states collapse), the predominant model has been one of a monoculture of rampant destruction. Convince young people to think less and consume more throwaway chinese made technology so they'll become even more dependent than we already are. Why? To create monopolies, and make it seem for the consumer to have many options, while they're in fact all different forms of the same thing. So the people pushing for this consumer market, those that are advertised as "good dictators" by this bushman, are now the ones that put on a "socialist, eco-friendly" robe and play "concerned world citizens"? Consumer economy does not equal real capitalism, if there's no alternative allowed besides this consumer economic model!! Try to start an organic farm seperate from the economic and financial systems in place: The government will be paying you a visit, to shut you down, or regulate you. THE ONES THAT PUSHED THE CONSUMER ECONOMY MODEL FUCKED IT UP, NOT "HUMAN NATURE".

And that's what's so fucked up about it. Because eco-friendly capitalism is very much possible. It's very logical, even.

Even when those two words have been given seperate meaning by the big brainwashing machine. It was doing ok before Edward Bernays. We need a sharp adjustment and a realisation we've been treated like farm animals, enticed, nudged, or pushed (if unwilling) towards EXACTLY this ridiculous situation. It requires a coginitive leap for many; To realise the path we're ALLOWED to go leads off the cliff, and the same people that control us now want to blame human emotions for the problems. Greed for ridiculous crap is stimulated, ecological self sustaining farming, production of quality goods restricted, thrift and maintenance of useful goods is discouraged. There are now even laws that prohibit organic farming, to bring medicinal herbs (from organic farming) to market. Why? Because of multinational corporative control of ALL nature through PATENTS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ouf_gmA5o

WE'VE BEEN IN A "FARMVILLE" WITH BAD MANAGEMENT. The problem is now how to survive this "dead end", and detach from the herd, while not join or even be noticed by the management. Because they built their "consumer paradise" but now want us all dead A.S.A.P. , as they got their technological development finished, and the once useful sheep are now hindering "progress". Many fools will readily accept they be "culled" to save the herd (the "green" parties in Europe supporting nuclear industry), just like they rallied behind the stupid idea of treating limited resources as unlimited before.

Watch this please, it's a long sit, but a good primer on the history of manipulation of consumers, which is why we are here now....

Rumors, legends, and campfire tales abound about Johnson. Perhaps chief among them is this one: In 1847, his Native American wife was killed by the Crow people, which prompted Johnson to embark on an almost 12-year vendetta against the tribe.[2] The legend says that he would cut out and eat the liver of each man killed.[2][dubious– discuss] This was an insult to Crow being that the Crow Indians used to eat the raw livers from their game because they believed it gave them the vitality of the animal that they ate. In any case, he eventually became known as "Liver-Eating Johnson". The story of how he got his name was written down by a diarist at the time. There were three Johnsons, nicknames were commonplace, and with Johnson's show of eating the liver, he received his name.

One tale ascribed to Johnson[1][2] (while other sources ascribe it to Boone Helm[3]) was of being ambushed by a group of Blackfoot warriors in the dead of winter on a foray to visit his Flathead kin, a trip that would have been over five hundred miles (>800 Kilometers). The Blackfoot planned to sell him to the Crow, his mortal enemies, for a handsome price.[vague] He was stripped to the waist, tied with leather thongs and put in a teepee with an inexperienced guard outside. Johnson managed to chew through the straps, then knocked out his young guard with a punch to the face, took his knife and scalped him, then quickly cut off one of his legs.[dubious– discuss] He made his escape into the woods, surviving by eating the Blackfoot's leg, until he reached the cabin of Del Que, his trapping partner, a journey of about two hundred miles.

The Finns used to have a deeply independent streak. But over the years, in a desire for prosperity and acceptance, they have woven themselves closer into the European fabric. The same is also true of Sweden, though less so - at least they kept their own currency.

If you want to find real independence in Europe, you have to look south, to Switzerland, which has successfully kept itself clear of much of the European debacle. They still have problems as far as demographic pressures, troubled banks, etc., but I would take their problems over the problems of any other European country in a heartbeat.

He's spouting what the elite wants for this planet, the illuminati or whoever just google it. The Georgia guide stones say the same thing, they won't say who paid to have them put there.

The elite want the world population to be at most 500 million. They want the cities abandoned and land to go back to nature. The elite will be a technocratic elite who will have technology and nanotechnology but the rest of us will be serfs to maintain their lifestyle and not to be educated. There's a an NBC series coming out in the fall that is called Revolution which may be another attempt at predictive programming.

The left never leads by example. That's why they demand and scream about the rich paying more taxes but would never consider sending in an additional check themselves. They only want to spend other people's money. You do a comparison of the overall charitable contributions, the left generally has the lower amount. LOL

Spoken like a true liberal. Any growth I have is more then you'll have in a life time. Nothing in your cranium to grow apparently. Anyway, I am of the libertarian sort. Once of the very old liberal. I consider democrats to be leftist and republicans to be leftist central - both corrupt. I know. in one ear and out the other with no brain inside to accept the message. So back at ya.

Agreed. Looks like he took a swan dive out of the ugly tree, hit every fucking branch on the way down, landed on his face and was immediately run over by a truck full of stupid. How come the brave, desperate people set themselves on fire for a cause and this stupid pile of protoplasm can't do it just to save us the trouble of shoving a lit road flare up his ass? Stupid is one thing, evil and stupid...well, let's light things up and we'll cook some marshmallows and sing Kumbaya...

Read up on UN Agenda 21 -- groups all species as "organisms" with none having priority over others, and all to be right-sized and relocated according to the protocols of scientific experts albeit on Gaia principles..

Evolution demands no species having priority over others -- but most humans don't want "that part" of evolution. Evolution would not be in favor of "artificially" right sizing and relocating -- it is survival of the fittest.

I don't get it. In my view, it is the ability to perceive that creates experiences which in turn triggers emotions and choices that impact the future - evolution at work.

Also, it is likely that evolution at certain times demands improvement in perception in order to survive, as can be seen in the shape and senses of specialised animals. The more perception an organism enjoys the more he can (and will) do what he likes.

Or am i completely missing the point here and are you saying that we're so much into what we like instead of focussing on what is needed to survive?

''The brothers and sisters were all together,'' he says. ''And then they started grabbing the girls away from their brothers. I can still hear the screams of these kids being separated. Some of them never saw their sisters again. I still have nightmares.''

Life at Bindoon, run by the Catholic Church's Christian Brothers, was a catalogue of cruelty, where beatings and sexual assaults were daily events.

''Bindoon was nothing more than a paedophile ring,'' Hennessey says. ''Most of the brothers were into raping and molesting little boys, sometimes sharing their favourites with each other.''