Wednesday, July 20, 2005

9/11 and Five Major Coincidences

1. On September 11, 2001, it just so happens that the CIA was planning an exercise whereby it would crash a small jet into one of its own buildings. Don't believe me? Check this USA Today article.

2. On September 10, 2001, it just so happens that Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) deployed search and rescue teams to New York City. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe Rudolph Giuliani. (There is even a link there to listen to the Real Audio of Giuliani discussing FEMA.)

3. On September 11, 2001, it just so happens that George W. Bush's younger brother, Marvin Bush, was the principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. And it just so happens that, according to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." Dont believe me? Check this out

4. On September 11, 2001, building 7 of the World Trade Center complex was intentionally pulled down even though it only had moderate fire damage and was in no danger of collapsing. Don't believe me? Well, the building's owner, Larry Silverstein, admitted on PBS that the building was intentionally pulled down. Check this out. Oh yeah, it just so happens that building 7 included offices for the CIA, Department of Defense, the Office of the Mayor, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the IRS. Don't believe me? Check out this page which includes a New York Times article. Also check out this, 22 minute video. Warning, this video may make you sick to your stomach.

5. It just so happens that 4 of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive. Don't believe me, well maybe you'll believe the FBI, yes the FBI! Check out this BBC News article.

Yeah, I know, this is all just a crazy conspiracy theory, right? After all, its perfectly plausible that the common explanation for 9/11, which was presented to us within 48 hours of the attacks without ever being changed, modified, or altered thereafter, is exactly the way it happened. Its perfectly plausible that, at that time, under the stress of the attacks, and during the weeks of anthrax scare that followed, that we citizens were capable of adequately viewing the evidence presented to us and that we were capable of diligently questioning it all. Yeah, its perfectly rational to accept the story we have heretofor been given. Thus, you are probably better off dismissing this all as just 'insane' and forgetting all about it....

not so long ago (2 yrs maybe?), i would think something like "maybe the u.s. has been the victim of a quiet coup d'etat" and then i'd think, "nah...! that's too far out..." then i started talking to some other folks and found out that there were serious, rational people who thought the same thing... now, i find myself thinking things like "was 9/11 deliberately planned?" and then i think, "nah...! couldn't be...!" but, ya know, i'm beginning to change my mind... i'm coming to the conclusion that there isn't anything this administration wouldn't do to create fear and to consolidate power and control... i'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but there are just too many things that smell fishy...

Conspiracy theories are always fun, but in reality it would take too much effort to keep all of the major players from speaking out. That's why there really aren't any alien bodies being hidden from the public.

I still can't figure out why our government would want to do anything to the WTC? If it was to start a war, we could do easily and quickly without a major conspiracy. Bill Clinton fired missiles at Iraq all the time.

All a president would have to do is to say that the Iraqis or Afghanis or the Vietnamese (a la Gulf of Tonkin) fired at one of our boats and we needed to fire back. It would be a lot easier to do that than to conduct a major conspiracy that would end up getting people sent to jail, if it was true.

Maybe it's like magic. You need to look away from where all of the activity is to see what is really happening.

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I think we've only seen the top of a very big ice berg and secrets always tend to come out sooner or later.

I believe that the Bush administration had plans no one could even imagine at the time he was elected the first round. And even that election was a joke.

Um...there was also a documentary about an FBI agent a few years ago (can't remember his name anymore) who was digging a bit too deep into the threats that the US recieved before 911. He was fired from FBI and worked with the security in one of the towers at WTC when the attack happened. And he died...of course.

Lefty blogs like your own, and theories like these (whether they are proven true or not) would be much more credible if your political party wouldn't promote outright liars who make up fake documentaries (Michael Moore, Morgan Spurlock "Supersize me") to prove their point. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf.

If those two major fans of the Left weren't around, I'd be a lot more likely to give theories like this a shot. A lot of the failures on 9/11 can't just be thrown at the feet of GWB's Administration. Previous Admins had similar failures in getting inteligence, having the FBI and CIA speak to each other, and taking the proper action when similar attacks happened.

If all of this stuff truly did happen, there should be a very high likelyhood of someone, anyone slipping up and leaking some information out that would blow away the conspiracy, especially with the internet, 24/7 news channels, talk radio, AIM, email, etc.

I don't know all of what happened that Tuesday morning, but hopefully as time goes on, more facts will come about and we'll figure it out.

First off, you assume that I am part of the democratic party. I am not. Second, I think you unfairly assume that all democrats support Michael Moore, thats like saying all republicans support Rush Limbaugh. (I'm not saying they are similar, but my point is, its an oversimplified generalization that you are making and it serves nothing).

As for your contention that 'somebody would come forward' if there was a conspiracy. Actually, many have come forward. Problem is, nobody is listening to them.

I suggest you look into the matter more closely. Its not a partisan issue. Its simply fact finding. And I do not profess to have all the answers, but I do have my opinion based upon a long and hard research of the the facts re: 9/11.

In fact, I now find the "popular version" of the facts to be the actual conspiracy theory.

Last week you give us a story comparing the Nazi's rise to power and the Bush administration, but are careful not to call the Bush administration Nazi's. In fact, you carefully dance around the issue in the comments section with a "show me where I called them Nazi's" defense. But you imply much. Today you simply offer 5 "facts' that also imply much, don't quite rise to the level of an accusation - technically. Is this your tactic? Why don't you just come at state what you really believe and deal with the fallout? Why hide behind these implications? I suspect there is a thesis behind all of this, so let's have it. Enough codespeak.I'm also curious. If you aren't a democrat, what are you?

Guys like you make me laugh. You so desperately need to have a definitive black and white. You cannot stand uncertainty. The reason I dont provide any "answers" is because I dont have them (nor to I pretend to). I raise points that have gone unnoticed and I make commentary.

As for my political views, there is more to the world that democrat or republican. Unfortunately, presently there is no political party that accurately reflects my views. I believe both parties are beholdent to special interests.

The republicans are in the pocket of Big Oil, the pharmaceutical companies, and the defense contractors, while the democrats are friendly to their own assorted groups.

If I had to choose a lesser of two evils, I'd suppose I'd choose the democrats, but in reality, IMO, its like choosing between execution or poison as a means of suicide. Eventually, they will both kill you.

The problem is not democrat or republican, its a system that provides our politicians with too much power...and of course, they abuse it...and we let them.

As for Naziism and fascism, I suggest you go to wikipideia and briefly look athe difference between naziism and fascism. There are many types of fascism, naziism only being one kind.

Kieth, I have no "tactics". I'm an American who is simply pissed off with what I see. If you have a problem with it, thats fine. To each his own.

Its funny, so many people are so conditioned to choose their republican or democrat side that we, as a whole, are completely played off against one another while the elitist pigs at the top rape us. There is always 50% of the population going along with the rape, thats the sad part. And its only because people have become so accustomed to only seeing things through their democrat or republican lens.

Regarding >-->1. On September 11, 2001, it just so happens that the CIA was planning an exercise whereby it would crash a small jet into one of its own buildings. Don't believe me? Check this USA Today article.

2. On September 10, 2001, it just so happens that Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) deployed search and rescue teams to New York City. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe Rudolph Giuliani. (There is even a link there to listen to the Real Audio of Giuliani discussing FEMA.)

I was listening to Coast to Coast AM the other night (www.coasttocoastam.com) (specific night is here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/07/20.html) and the guest, Steven Quayle talked for a few minutes about the above two points. I wish I had recorded it, I had it on in the background.

I apologise and take back what I said earlier.

If you want to go after GWB and his folks, be my guest. I have major bones to pick with him too but on some different issues than you. Resorting to the usual Dem/Moveon.org tactics (Bush=Hitler, the Nazi/GOP posters, the annoying Bush flipping the bird video, made when he was governor, not President) cheapens how you look, and can easily make some people just write you off as a Democrat Party hack. Your website is better than that. I've seen some things on your site that I haven't seen on any other similar websites.

If you go to many Conservative/Republican websites you will see the same clichéd images showing "Howard Dean the Scream", Michael Moore is a lying fatass, Bush is God, etc. And Liberals/Dems have similar overused pictures on their websites too.

Let your opinions and writing speak for itself, instead of having the same images turn away people who might agree with you on some issues, and want to join the fight against the corruption and abuses in government.

It's just a comment, do with it as you wish. Your website is pretty interesting, even though I don't agree with it much. You still get me coming back over and over to see what's on your mind. Just be aware that some of the stuff you present for "informational purposes only" really looks like you are promoting that side.

Thanks for your thoughful post. I thought a bit about whether or not to use the picture of Bush, and the reason I went with it is:

1) I think it draws a person into the blog, for good or for bad. Its sorta like bait. It'll either piss you off or make you laugh.

2) Its kinda funny to me.

3) I see it as a perfect expression of GWB. It shows his arrogance. It shows his lack of maturity. I truly believe he looks down on all of us Americans. I believe he looks down on the troops he sends in harm's way. I believe he only respects power and wealth.

For these reasons, I went with the photo. As for my common usage of the word "fascist", check out my response to your post in the "MOre from the fascists" thread.

I'm glad you keep coming back to check out the blog. Even if we disagree from time to time. Thats cool with me.

5. It just so happens that 4 of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive. Don't believe me.

No I don't.It just so happens that the FBI initially released only the names of the hijackers. The response to this was the obvious one, that where these names are common people were quick to point out they were not involved.

It just so happens that every single one of these "Hey but I'm alive" stories predates the FBI releasing the pictures of the hijackers at which point they stopped.

The investigative powers of those who refer to this as meaning something are precisely nil.

I believe what people r saying on here. George bush in my book is nothing more than hitler was. He had our own people killed for no reason. We have a war going on for no reason what so ever. and i think that we need to bring our men and women home for good. Let's put all the people that were involved in this in a building and blow them up too.

Jesse (insanehippie) wrote: "Let your opinions and writing speak for itself, instead of having the same images turn away people who might agree with you on some issues..."

Of course, this is the same Jesse who initially tried to discredit Bulldog's blog by invoking Morgan Spurlock and Michael Moore. Then he accused Bulldog of "[r]esorting to the usual Dem/Moveon.org tactics..."

I think that Jesse should have a dose of the medicine he prescribes for Bulldog.

- Officials in NORAD and the FAA were told to stand down and not do their job on 9/11. Told that it was just a drill, even ater the first plane had hit the towers.- The CIA had to admit on television that they couldn't be sure that the names of the hijackers they'd given couldn't be confirmed.- The hijackers WEREN'T ON THE PASSENGER LISTS.

'Those who danced were thought to be quite insane to those who could not hear the music...'

-If the cowards in the mainstream media more worried about promotion, and preserving their 'contacts' at least presented this information to the public so they could compare and contrast then we would have to criticise corporate conglomerate media less.

Good work Bull dog---did you know that many engineers and architects are finding flaws in the accepted reasons for the collapse

hOW COME THE GENUFLECTORS AT THE 9-11 OMMISSION COMMISSION IGNORED THE MANY WELL DOCUMENTED WITNESSES -FIREMEN, POLICE, REPORTERS AND OTHERS WHO SAW EXPLOSIONS JUST BEFORE THE PLANES IMPACT!

wHATEVER HAPPENED INTO THE INVESTIGATION OF THE ISRAELIS SEEN CHEERING, AND FILMING THE wtc COLLAPSE-------CHECK OUT URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS STORY--on Fox website of all places- that story was pulled very quickly!

Slineys first day on the job, alwso provided the real perps (US gov running WAR GAMES)perfect cover for an inexperienced guy.Sliney had SUED the FAA in the past.he is a lawyer.

Sliney want the only person whos first day on the job was 9/11...

O'Neill

Frustrated by the level of cooperation from the Saudis, O'Neill purportedly vented to FBI director Louis Freeh, saying that they were “blowing smoke up your ass.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'NeillBy 1998, O'Neill had become obsessed with Osama bin Laden. When his friend Chris Isham, a producer for ABC News, arranged for an interview between bin Laden and correspondent John Miller, Isham and Miller used information put together by O'Neill to formulate the questions. After the interview aired, O'Neill pushed Isham hard to release an unedited version so he could carefully dissect it.

Later that year, two United States embassies were bombed in quick succession in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania. O'Neill hoped to be involved in the investigation because he had gained a tremendous knowledge of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network. However, turf wars and dislike of O'Neill by some superiors in Washington first meant that the FBI's New York office was left out of the investigation, and later that O'Neill was left behind when other New York-based agents were sent to the region to pick up leads.

not so long ago (2 yrs maybe?), i would think something like "maybe the u.s. has been the victim of a quiet coup d'etat" and then i'd think, "nah...! that's too far out..." then i started talking to some other folks and found out that there were serious, rational people who thought the same thing... now, i find myself thinking things like "was 9/11 deliberately planned?" and then i think, "nah...! couldn't be...!" but, ya know, i'm beginning to change my mind... i'm coming to the conclusion that there isn't anything this administration wouldn't do to create fear and to consolidate power and control... i'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature but there are just too many things that smell fishy...

Conspiracy theories are always fun, but in reality it would take too much effort to keep all of the major players from speaking out. That's why there really aren't any alien bodies being hidden from the public.

I still can't figure out why our government would want to do anything to the WTC? If it was to start a war, we could do easily and quickly without a major conspiracy. Bill Clinton fired missiles at Iraq all the time.

All a president would have to do is to say that the Iraqis or Afghanis or the Vietnamese (a la Gulf of Tonkin) fired at one of our boats and we needed to fire back. It would be a lot easier to do that than to conduct a major conspiracy that would end up getting people sent to jail, if it was true.

Maybe it's like magic. You need to look away from where all of the activity is to see what is really happening.

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I think we've only seen the top of a very big ice berg and secrets always tend to come out sooner or later.

I believe that the Bush administration had plans no one could even imagine at the time he was elected the first round. And even that election was a joke.

Um...there was also a documentary about an FBI agent a few years ago (can't remember his name anymore) who was digging a bit too deep into the threats that the US recieved before 911. He was fired from FBI and worked with the security in one of the towers at WTC when the attack happened. And he died...of course.

Lefty blogs like your own, and theories like these (whether they are proven true or not) would be much more credible if your political party wouldn't promote outright liars who make up fake documentaries (Michael Moore, Morgan Spurlock "Supersize me") to prove their point. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf.

If those two major fans of the Left weren't around, I'd be a lot more likely to give theories like this a shot. A lot of the failures on 9/11 can't just be thrown at the feet of GWB's Administration. Previous Admins had similar failures in getting inteligence, having the FBI and CIA speak to each other, and taking the proper action when similar attacks happened.

If all of this stuff truly did happen, there should be a very high likelyhood of someone, anyone slipping up and leaking some information out that would blow away the conspiracy, especially with the internet, 24/7 news channels, talk radio, AIM, email, etc.

I don't know all of what happened that Tuesday morning, but hopefully as time goes on, more facts will come about and we'll figure it out.

First off, you assume that I am part of the democratic party. I am not. Second, I think you unfairly assume that all democrats support Michael Moore, thats like saying all republicans support Rush Limbaugh. (I'm not saying they are similar, but my point is, its an oversimplified generalization that you are making and it serves nothing).

As for your contention that 'somebody would come forward' if there was a conspiracy. Actually, many have come forward. Problem is, nobody is listening to them.

I suggest you look into the matter more closely. Its not a partisan issue. Its simply fact finding. And I do not profess to have all the answers, but I do have my opinion based upon a long and hard research of the the facts re: 9/11.

In fact, I now find the "popular version" of the facts to be the actual conspiracy theory.

Last week you give us a story comparing the Nazi's rise to power and the Bush administration, but are careful not to call the Bush administration Nazi's. In fact, you carefully dance around the issue in the comments section with a "show me where I called them Nazi's" defense. But you imply much. Today you simply offer 5 "facts' that also imply much, don't quite rise to the level of an accusation - technically. Is this your tactic? Why don't you just come at state what you really believe and deal with the fallout? Why hide behind these implications? I suspect there is a thesis behind all of this, so let's have it. Enough codespeak.I'm also curious. If you aren't a democrat, what are you?

Guys like you make me laugh. You so desperately need to have a definitive black and white. You cannot stand uncertainty. The reason I dont provide any "answers" is because I dont have them (nor to I pretend to). I raise points that have gone unnoticed and I make commentary.

As for my political views, there is more to the world that democrat or republican. Unfortunately, presently there is no political party that accurately reflects my views. I believe both parties are beholdent to special interests.

The republicans are in the pocket of Big Oil, the pharmaceutical companies, and the defense contractors, while the democrats are friendly to their own assorted groups.

If I had to choose a lesser of two evils, I'd suppose I'd choose the democrats, but in reality, IMO, its like choosing between execution or poison as a means of suicide. Eventually, they will both kill you.

The problem is not democrat or republican, its a system that provides our politicians with too much power...and of course, they abuse it...and we let them.

As for Naziism and fascism, I suggest you go to wikipideia and briefly look athe difference between naziism and fascism. There are many types of fascism, naziism only being one kind.

Kieth, I have no "tactics". I'm an American who is simply pissed off with what I see. If you have a problem with it, thats fine. To each his own.

Its funny, so many people are so conditioned to choose their republican or democrat side that we, as a whole, are completely played off against one another while the elitist pigs at the top rape us. There is always 50% of the population going along with the rape, thats the sad part. And its only because people have become so accustomed to only seeing things through their democrat or republican lens.

Regarding >-->1. On September 11, 2001, it just so happens that the CIA was planning an exercise whereby it would crash a small jet into one of its own buildings. Don't believe me? Check this USA Today article.

2. On September 10, 2001, it just so happens that Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) deployed search and rescue teams to New York City. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe Rudolph Giuliani. (There is even a link there to listen to the Real Audio of Giuliani discussing FEMA.)

I was listening to Coast to Coast AM the other night (www.coasttocoastam.com) (specific night is here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/07/20.html) and the guest, Steven Quayle talked for a few minutes about the above two points. I wish I had recorded it, I had it on in the background.

I apologise and take back what I said earlier.

If you want to go after GWB and his folks, be my guest. I have major bones to pick with him too but on some different issues than you. Resorting to the usual Dem/Moveon.org tactics (Bush=Hitler, the Nazi/GOP posters, the annoying Bush flipping the bird video, made when he was governor, not President) cheapens how you look, and can easily make some people just write you off as a Democrat Party hack. Your website is better than that. I've seen some things on your site that I haven't seen on any other similar websites.

If you go to many Conservative/Republican websites you will see the same clichéd images showing "Howard Dean the Scream", Michael Moore is a lying fatass, Bush is God, etc. And Liberals/Dems have similar overused pictures on their websites too.

Let your opinions and writing speak for itself, instead of having the same images turn away people who might agree with you on some issues, and want to join the fight against the corruption and abuses in government.

It's just a comment, do with it as you wish. Your website is pretty interesting, even though I don't agree with it much. You still get me coming back over and over to see what's on your mind. Just be aware that some of the stuff you present for "informational purposes only" really looks like you are promoting that side.

Thanks for your thoughful post. I thought a bit about whether or not to use the picture of Bush, and the reason I went with it is:

1) I think it draws a person into the blog, for good or for bad. Its sorta like bait. It'll either piss you off or make you laugh.

2) Its kinda funny to me.

3) I see it as a perfect expression of GWB. It shows his arrogance. It shows his lack of maturity. I truly believe he looks down on all of us Americans. I believe he looks down on the troops he sends in harm's way. I believe he only respects power and wealth.

For these reasons, I went with the photo. As for my common usage of the word "fascist", check out my response to your post in the "MOre from the fascists" thread.

I'm glad you keep coming back to check out the blog. Even if we disagree from time to time. Thats cool with me.

5. It just so happens that 4 of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive. Don't believe me.

No I don't.It just so happens that the FBI initially released only the names of the hijackers. The response to this was the obvious one, that where these names are common people were quick to point out they were not involved.

It just so happens that every single one of these "Hey but I'm alive" stories predates the FBI releasing the pictures of the hijackers at which point they stopped.

The investigative powers of those who refer to this as meaning something are precisely nil.

I believe what people r saying on here. George bush in my book is nothing more than hitler was. He had our own people killed for no reason. We have a war going on for no reason what so ever. and i think that we need to bring our men and women home for good. Let's put all the people that were involved in this in a building and blow them up too.

Jesse (insanehippie) wrote: "Let your opinions and writing speak for itself, instead of having the same images turn away people who might agree with you on some issues..."

Of course, this is the same Jesse who initially tried to discredit Bulldog's blog by invoking Morgan Spurlock and Michael Moore. Then he accused Bulldog of "[r]esorting to the usual Dem/Moveon.org tactics..."

I think that Jesse should have a dose of the medicine he prescribes for Bulldog.

- Officials in NORAD and the FAA were told to stand down and not do their job on 9/11. Told that it was just a drill, even ater the first plane had hit the towers.- The CIA had to admit on television that they couldn't be sure that the names of the hijackers they'd given couldn't be confirmed.- The hijackers WEREN'T ON THE PASSENGER LISTS.

'Those who danced were thought to be quite insane to those who could not hear the music...'

-If the cowards in the mainstream media more worried about promotion, and preserving their 'contacts' at least presented this information to the public so they could compare and contrast then we would have to criticise corporate conglomerate media less.

Good work Bull dog---did you know that many engineers and architects are finding flaws in the accepted reasons for the collapse

hOW COME THE GENUFLECTORS AT THE 9-11 OMMISSION COMMISSION IGNORED THE MANY WELL DOCUMENTED WITNESSES -FIREMEN, POLICE, REPORTERS AND OTHERS WHO SAW EXPLOSIONS JUST BEFORE THE PLANES IMPACT!

wHATEVER HAPPENED INTO THE INVESTIGATION OF THE ISRAELIS SEEN CHEERING, AND FILMING THE wtc COLLAPSE-------CHECK OUT URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS STORY--on Fox website of all places- that story was pulled very quickly!

Slineys first day on the job, alwso provided the real perps (US gov running WAR GAMES)perfect cover for an inexperienced guy.Sliney had SUED the FAA in the past.he is a lawyer.

Sliney want the only person whos first day on the job was 9/11...

O'Neill

Frustrated by the level of cooperation from the Saudis, O'Neill purportedly vented to FBI director Louis Freeh, saying that they were “blowing smoke up your ass.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'NeillBy 1998, O'Neill had become obsessed with Osama bin Laden. When his friend Chris Isham, a producer for ABC News, arranged for an interview between bin Laden and correspondent John Miller, Isham and Miller used information put together by O'Neill to formulate the questions. After the interview aired, O'Neill pushed Isham hard to release an unedited version so he could carefully dissect it.

Later that year, two United States embassies were bombed in quick succession in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania. O'Neill hoped to be involved in the investigation because he had gained a tremendous knowledge of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network. However, turf wars and dislike of O'Neill by some superiors in Washington first meant that the FBI's New York office was left out of the investigation, and later that O'Neill was left behind when other New York-based agents were sent to the region to pick up leads.