Contributed Comments

Comments: I agree with the 3 stars for sure. The 5.9 section is very short indeed, also you dont need to build an anchor if you just run your rope back a little to a tree up and left and belay from here. You can scramble down and right to get to the anchors for 'grins' and rappell or downclimb. A very enjoyable route with a mix of everything. Enjoy..

Comments: A very impressive route and a solid 10a for sure. Nuts protect the crux as well as TCU's so pop em' in there and crank. A really good character building lead for the ambitious 5.10 leaders in the group, I would say the best route at Happy Hour and a very stiff lead, enjoyed it a lot ! 5 stars on a 3 star rating.

Comments: A lot of bickering over such a short route. My take on the situation is this, the first pitch of the route is very very nice and gives a surprising pump at the crux. Hopefully you can reach high enough to place that piece before committing to the crux. (especially if this is your first 10 lead). Pull down on the hueco and left hand jam, throw the right foot up high and DON'T look straight up for something positive, the good holds are to the left of the little roof two parallel crimps which can g... more >>

Comments: A really nice route but be careful of rope drag once you turn the little roof to the right, I made a little mistake a therefore couldnt clip the pitons, not a big deal because of bolt 6 feet higher. May want to protect the second after the bolt if he/she is not quite at 5.9 as there would be a good swing. Gear is tricky on the upper half once you turn the roof but the climbing eases off. I would give it ** and not ***. C'st la Morte is a better route, albeit a bit harder. Ciao....

Comments: An Awesome line.. A little bit of everything, jamfest on P2, good fingers on P1, great length on P1. A really superb route. Good grading as well, P2 deserves more credit than it gets, it is a character builder once you get on it. Jump in !!

Comments: A great route. This route certainly can give you a pump if you fiddle with gear, all of the gear placements are great so keep climbing. Have fun with this one, a great warmup if you are doing Yellow Spur or anything higher up, Gma's, Darkness, etc..

Comments: Not sure what they were thinking when they rated this 10a ? I [don't] think anyway you do this, unless you [do it one-armed], it can even touch a 10 rating. The rating seems very out of place for [Eldorado], as most of the 10s I have been on have been pretty hard, but not in this case, if you are a 5.8 leader looking to get into 5.9's with good gear, hop on this one. Have fun.

Comments: O.K. I have some issues about the rating thing here on west ridge. First we say that Pos. 4th is 10a ? Hmm, well I guess not. Then we say that 'Morning Thunder', which is more sustained than 'Pos. 4th' albeit short. I give Pos. maybe 5.9 and Morning Thunder 5.10a and as far as the #1 cam goes, leave it on the ground where it can be used for the belayer out to the right for a ground anchor point. Cheers..

Comments: I would agree with the description of the route and the quality, this is a great crack climb and very defined, there is also another gear route a little further down the crag to the right form here which looks like a beauty.. Good crack climbs on limestone, what ? Not a mistake this is a great line.

Comments: Don't let the rating Matt has palced on here fool you. It is harder than 5.11, I think it is solid 11c/d as the guide book states, an excellent route which is steeper than is looks from the ground. One of my favorites in the Dark Side. 3 Stars.

Comments: An excellent route for those of us 5'8" and taller. The reach past the 4th clip may almost be a dyno for some, but once past here the last moves will flow together. You can cut right at the matle or reach high for the chalked hold straight above to the left, have fun. I give this route 3 stars.

Comments: A great route. This route has plenty of holds as suggested. The length also adds to the enjoyment of the route. This is certainly a great warm up for the others on this crag. I would suggest 'Free Willie' and the 12a that you first see when you arrive from the left of the crag, a beauty. This is a super route for a new leader, not sure how to interpret 'Turbo Bitchin', but definitely great.

Comments: Alan, Indeed a little easier going right at the 3rd bolt but not the grade and not as fun. No sense getting on the route if you don't do it how it was intended, and at 11b I would assume it was intended left.

Comments: The first pitch is amazing, hard to believe that routes like this exist naturally. All I can say is Jugs !! The second pitch is not really that enjoyable, although the 'bulge' as mentioned is certainly the crux and continues almost to the anchors. Stay to the left of the bolts towards the top to get to the anchors, or you will get into very dirty rock. The second pitch is a little dirty to start with as well, and watch fromabove if there are people on 'Too'. DEFINENTLY do the first pitch.

Comments: A truly excellent line, 3 stars. The crux for me was to become almost a deadpoint to bring the right hadnf rom a small sidepull to a chest high crimp. This is not easy, considering how far you are stretched before doing the deadpoint. An awesome move to highlight the route. The roof is quite easy on jugs, not a problem, just get the feet up. As for the ending, I, as I have seen others do, skipped the last bolt, the way the climbing trends brings you above the bolt before you know it, just head o... more >>

Comments: Agreed with the 2 star rating this climb gets. I think it is a little more thought provoking than other 10d's many people have done. The steeper slabby climbing involved on the route is very enjoyable. High step not needed if you can figure other beta, but a little more commiting.

Comments: Definitely not a straightforward, jug haul. Your body will indeed be in many different positions, making clipping sometimes a little tricky. I don't give this route any more than 1 star, didn't enjoy it as much as many, if not all of the other routes on this wall (except the routes around the corner to the left of this route, desperate!).

Comments: Agreed, a short route with a good pump, as with the other lines on this little crag. The climbing should be done straight up to the first bolt, perhaps clipping the bolt and then lowering, not doing this I think would avoid the crux. If you do toprope this route, perhaps lower and place a draw on the second bolt, because once past here you should be home free. Dont step on the block to start this route, that would take the fun out of this.

Comments: Definitely a nice little boulder problem type route. After the mantle, there are jugs to the top. The mantle can be ommitted as mentioned with heel hook but what fun is that ? (kidding) do it how you can, but at least try the mantle for a second time. A neat line.

Comments: A great little pump. This route is short and a little harder than it may first appear. The moves are very continuous and the clips are commiting. A ncie sequence of moves leading up the thin corner. The start is varied and can be made easier by traversing in from the left. But start straight up and keep cranking for a good pump.

Comments: Myke, et al., about the 5.11 rating you give this climb: I don't agree with it at all. There is very little chance someone not strong on 11s would get this route on the onsight, which I assume is NOT what you grade routes at. Once you have done the route 30 times, surely it gets easier, but by no means is this 11, a solid 11b, with several 5.11 moves in the mix. As for traversing to the underclings, it surely does ease the climbing, but overal maybe by a letter or 2 at most.

Comments: A great route, I give it three stars. I think it may be a little bit harder from someone that is shorter than say 5', the crux sidepulls may be very hard to get to and be very balancy, will no doubt be harder than 11a. Next time out, ten digit dialing, looks superb... Cheers

Comments: Peter, I will take the credit about the offwidthing the end. Full body (munes one leg) in that sucker. That is a tight squeeze in there wouldn't suggest it to anyone over 145 lbs. You may get stuck, expecially towards the top. Once you figure out how to get your feet up on the block inside the crack you are set. But good luck, feels a little harder than 5.9 done this way. But a bit of fun, being protected by bolts and all.. Cheers.