Strik3r:I think it's actually the force the shrimp delivers the "punch" with and not so much the structure of the "clubs".

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. When the shrimp hits a mollusk shell, the mollusk shell hits the shrimp back with the equal, opposite force. The clubs would shatter like the mollusk shell if they could not take the force applied to them. Therefore they must have an unusual structure to allow for such high forces.

cgraves67:Strik3r: I think it's actually the force the shrimp delivers the "punch" with and not so much the structure of the "clubs".

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. When the shrimp hits a mollusk shell, the mollusk shell hits the shrimp back with the equal, opposite force. The clubs would shatter like the mollusk shell if they could not take the force applied to them. Therefore they must have an unusual structure to allow for such high forces.

certainly, the lack of the ability to generate this force would remove any need for specially designed shell that can withstand it.

The shrimps ability to deliver such a ferocious punch is what inevitably lead to the development of a stronger shell. (not the other way around...)

Strik3r:cgraves67: Strik3r: I think it's actually the force the shrimp delivers the "punch" with and not so much the structure of the "clubs".

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. When the shrimp hits a mollusk shell, the mollusk shell hits the shrimp back with the equal, opposite force. The clubs would shatter like the mollusk shell if they could not take the force applied to them. Therefore they must have an unusual structure to allow for such high forces.

certainly, the lack of the ability to generate this force would remove any need for specially designed shell that can withstand it.

The shrimps ability to deliver such a ferocious punch is what inevitably lead to the development of a stronger shell. (not the other way around...)

Well, no. If the strong punch came first they would die from punching things due to the weak shell. That would mean no passing on genes. Develop the strong shell first, however, and they would survive and breed at least as well as other mantis shrimp... thus when one of the strong shell shrimp eventually mutated the strong punch gene they'd survive and pass on both. The other way wouldn't work...

Telos:Strik3r: cgraves67: Strik3r: I think it's actually the force the shrimp delivers the "punch" with and not so much the structure of the "clubs".

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. When the shrimp hits a mollusk shell, the mollusk shell hits the shrimp back with the equal, opposite force. The clubs would shatter like the mollusk shell if they could not take the force applied to them. Therefore they must have an unusual structure to allow for such high forces.

certainly, the lack of the ability to generate this force would remove any need for specially designed shell that can withstand it.

The shrimps ability to deliver such a ferocious punch is what inevitably lead to the development of a stronger shell. (not the other way around...)

Well, no. If the strong punch came first they would die from punching things due to the weak shell. That would mean no passing on genes. Develop the strong shell first, however, and they would survive and breed at least as well as other mantis shrimp... thus when one of the strong shell shrimp eventually mutated the strong punch gene they'd survive and pass on both. The other way wouldn't work...

It's much more likely that they developed together.

As any guitarist will tell you, fingers become calloused from playing the instrument repeatedly. After a while the fingers become calloused. This facilitates the evolution of the skill itself. Rarely does the skill evolve from a genetic mutation. It's typically the opposite.

Strik3r:Telos: Strik3r: cgraves67: Strik3r: I think it's actually the force the shrimp delivers the "punch" with and not so much the structure of the "clubs".

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. When the shrimp hits a mollusk shell, the mollusk shell hits the shrimp back with the equal, opposite force. The clubs would shatter like the mollusk shell if they could not take the force applied to them. Therefore they must have an unusual structure to allow for such high forces.

certainly, the lack of the ability to generate this force would remove any need for specially designed shell that can withstand it.

The shrimps ability to deliver such a ferocious punch is what inevitably lead to the development of a stronger shell. (not the other way around...)

Well, no. If the strong punch came first they would die from punching things due to the weak shell. That would mean no passing on genes. Develop the strong shell first, however, and they would survive and breed at least as well as other mantis shrimp... thus when one of the strong shell shrimp eventually mutated the strong punch gene they'd survive and pass on both. The other way wouldn't work...

It's much more likely that they developed together.

As any guitarist will tell you, fingers become calloused from playing the instrument repeatedly. After a while the fingers become calloused. This facilitates the evolution of the skill itself. Rarely does the skill evolve from a genetic mutation. It's typically the opposite.

Did you seriously just use 'how to learn and improve at picking guitar strings' as an explanation for how evolution works? Amazing.