Attention Frat Boys:We get it, it's okay to be confused/in denial about your sexuality. College is supposed to be about self-discovery after all, and seriously, you're not fooling anyone. Calling "no Homo" changes nothing, and honestly, the fact that you even feel the need to SAY that as often as you do is bit of a dead giveaway. I mean, for the love of god, you even call yourselves GREEK oganizations right?

So, since we know, and you know,-even if you are in denial-, how's about you go ahead an go full -on "free to be you and me" and experiement to your heart's content, and drop the hyper-obnoxious exaggerated hetero-sexuality, date rape, and binge drinking you use as a "cover" mmkay?

grinding_journalist:We spent more time playing video games, studying, working, and conducting what we called "science terrorism" (blowing up oil drums with dry ice bombs, flooding the campus fountains with super-foaming agents, etc) than any sort of stereotypical "frat" activities. We drank a lot, sure, who doesn't in college?

Anti-frat fraternity guy here. Met my eventual wife freshman year, so I didn't get to bang anyone other than her through college (sigh), but I certainly wasn't drugging sorority girls and making amateur sextapes with them, or having greasy gay orgies with my other "bros"; those kinds of things are difficult when you don't have a house on campus. However, as the scholastic chair, I managed to get our chapter's GPA not only #1 among Greeks, but within a hair's breadth of getting the entire chapter Dean's Listed for the year, something which had never happened in the school's 100+ year history of Greek organizations. (goddammitsomuch John, you should have stayed at Vanderbilt so you could have flunked out there instead). Needless to say, we weren't a "typical" Greek organization.

We spent more time playing video games, studying, working, and conducting what we called "science terrorism" (blowing up oil drums with dry ice bombs, flooding the campus fountains with super-foaming agents, etc) than any sort of stereotypical "frat" activities. We drank a lot, sure, who doesn't in college?

I understand why people use the term "frat", as it has cultural traction, but members calling our group that was a great way to get on everyone's shiat list really quickly. I was never in a "frat". I was in a fraternity.

JeffreyScott:The University of Michigan is a state university. As such the university would be prohibited from interfering with a student's constitutionally protected freedom of speech. Treating them different than other student's would violate constutional equal protection and freedom of association principals.

It can become complicated depending on how this 'Office of Greek Life' is chartered. It could be like the BSA - no official ties with the government, but it gets a lot of benefits anyways.

If the OGL is 'technically' a private organization that handles the various fraternities/sororities, then it could have more reach than the university itself.

Then again, they might end up investigating then have a determination of 'no findings'. Sometimes you have to investigate merely to satisfy the whiners.

porcupine tree:I bet that picture was taken right before a good ole fashioned game of 'Soggy Biscuit'.

Sponge Cookie?

Yeah, fact of the matter is that closeted or not, these boys will have misogynistic sex with the sorority babes who don't really want to fark the guys because, while they're cute and what not, they're macho, selfish assholes. Then again, these guys will probably be financially secure and very useful in buying that house in [well heeled suburb of your choice] and allowing her use that Communications degree to "experience" being a mother to 2.5 children. Then she can enjoy battles for SUV status and PTA Supremacy with the other Suburban Housewives with Communications degrees. And they'll all enjoy their Xanax and vibrators and have angry, misogynistic sex with their Corporate Husbands.

All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

mccallcl:The gay part isn't the photograph, it's how they organized from worst bodies (outside) to best bodies (inside) and balanced out left and right, with a black guy in the middle for interest.

The best-looking, coolest people are always front and center. No corporation is sending awkward, unattractive dorks out on sales calls. These kids are learning what they need to get ahead in corporate America.

This thread is funny. It's like when women call a bunch of half naked girls sluts, only you all call these guys gay. Personally, I have no chance with anyone nearly that young or good looking so it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight, I just like the view.

Big farking deal.I don't know why it is a concern.I don't know why anybody cares.It is not threatening and it is not offensive.They are not revealing anything more than Larry Bird revealed in his 80s era basketball shorts

Ok, but seriously... that's a fantastic invite. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm impressed with their effort. They didn't just go buy a couple of kegs and say "party over here." Although I also think the flag is a piece of cloth, so maybe I'm not the right target for outrage.

Lollipop165:TelemonianAjax: A very drunk Texan once upbraided me for saying frat. As he pointed out, you wouldn't call your country a coont, so why would you call your fraternity a frat?

I've heard this from numerous fraternity guys,

I always thought that was a lousy analogy and would say so. I call my examination an exam. If exam was slang for vagina, then I wouldn't but it isn't. Same with frat. I don't see why I should use four syllables when I can use one.

Lollipop165:The guys tried to do that and FREAKED the fark out of a new girl in my sorority. Thank god there were some older girls home who knew the guy. We lived in NYC, and if you see a guy coming in the middle of night in your sorority house, you can imagine why a girl might be scared to shiat.

Ok, I can understand that. The situation was talking about was not breaking and entering (everyone has key card access everywhere before 10pm). She saw them in the closet in their basement and understood it.

Now if its animal house panty raid, they can crank out the baseball bats, but every greek was overly offended by everything which made "pranks" more like domestic underground hate crime terrorism by the time I graduated. People would defecate in the others' house as a "prank." Websites like collegeacb didn't exactly help either.

I'm confused... how does this "dishonor the flag" (a stupid concept all its own) or hurt anyone outside of folks thinking they're gay? Also, how is this considered semi-nude? In fact, what the hell is semi-nude? You're either naked or not naked.