161 thoughts on “Episode 56: TVD Spoilers!”

They need to seriously calm down. Writers/producers need to pop some valium or smoke about eleventy joints. Mexican stand off? Hahaha! Nothing here is that serious. Especially now that they have robbed most of Stefan’s actions of any meaning and made the rest nonsensical. They did with Stefan a more extreme form of what they did with Damon last season. No one gave a fuck about what Damon did. Even his victims (Jeremy, Caroline, etc) didn’t give a damn. That didn’t just damage Caroline, Elena, et al. It also damaged Damon. It is like that old saying – If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it blah blah blah. Nothing he did seemed to really matter.

They put Stefan in some magical bubble. I don’t understand what is there to care about.

Someone called Caroline a woobie once and I kinda agree. Her ~pain is fetishized to an extreme level. A lot of what happened with her in season two was framed as her being victimized. When Bonnie couldn’t handle her vampirism, it wasn’t about Bonnie’s POV vs. Caroline’s POV. There was no interesting conflict there. Bonnie was almost irrelevant there and so was their friendship. I feel like it was mostly about feeling sorry for Caroline.

Bonnie doesn’t need anyone making a fuss about her. She is just that ~*~strong~*~ rme. Besides, Elena is useless as we all know and Caroline can’t be everything. Bonnie doesn’t have any other friends (Stefan is *not* her friend) or family (I am convinced that Bonnie’s dad died as a result of some magical mishap and that his body is buried in Bonnie’s backyard. No one has noticed because no one cares that much about Bonnie.)

Are there news on Bill, Esther, or Ayanna coming back or are you thinking of logical story progression?

It is like that old saying – If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it blah blah blah.

So true. There is no suspense or interest because Stefan will not suffer consequences from sources not Damon and Elena (and himself). And you’re that this is a more extreme version of what they did with Damon last season and that’s because Stefan’s actions are worst/more extreme than Damon’s. From the get go there were too little people reacting to what Stefan was doing, not to mention reacting the wrong way. There was no balance in terms of opinion wrt Stefan’s actions. Instead there was a consensus. Heck even in this decision to “let him go,” there’s a consensus. I love how Elena doesn’t give a crap about what the people in her life think. I remember saying in the podcast for the second episode that Elena was saying they should go after Stefan since he called her without being afraid of what Jeremy/Caroline/Matt/Bonnie would think. Now she’s decided to let Stefan go with no worries what they’ll think. It’s beyond frustrating.

They put Stefan in some magical bubble. I don’t understand what is there to care about.

JP’s already working with the thought that they won’t have to do much to get the Fandom to forgive Stefan. They probably won’t put much effort to get the characters to forgive Stefan. I don’t know what I’d prefer: that they bother or they don’t bother. It’ll be weird watching Stefan apologize for his actions to Bonnie and Caroline (no one else matters, let’s be real here) when those two weren’t shown as having an opinion on his actions whether positive or negative.

Her ~pain is fetishized to an extreme level.

I think you have a point. Any time Caroline experiences hardship, the goal seems to be to make people feel sorry for her. The only time I feel that wasn’t the case was when she was transitioning and then learning how to deal with that. They actually focused on her and her experience. But the torturing? They kind of remove Caroline from what’s happening to her in a way that’s just….ugh.

Bonnie doesn’t need anyone making a fuss about her. She is just that ~*~strong~*~ rme.

*____*.

I remember I had to remind myself to breathe any time someone would say Stefan and Bonnie are friends back in late season 2. Thankfully that didn’t happen in the first half, but that’s only because they didn’t get any scenes.

Is Bill going to back for Caroline’s bday? Doubtful. Is Rebekah? What was the point of the little Rebekah/Caroline thing they set up? I kinda thought that competing with or bonding with Rebekah would bring about this realization in Caroline. I mean, Rebekah was close to Caroline’s age when she died about a 1000 years ago. Seeing 1000+ yr old Rebekah *still* trying to be a teenager didn’t trigger something in Caroline?

Is Rebekah? What was the point of the little Rebekah/Caroline thing they set up?

There was a spoiler soon after Homecoming aired saying that Rebekah will be back sooner rather than later. Maybe they’ll revisit this Rebekah/Caroline thing then. Idk. Tbh I have a hard time imagining how they intend to integrate Rebekah into the plot.

Seeing 1000+ yr old Rebekah *still* trying to be a teenager didn’t trigger something in Caroline?

Tbh I have a hard time imagining how they intend to integrate Rebekah into the plot.

Me too. They didn’t bother connecting her with any of the characters, not even Stefan or Tyler. Elena just betrayed her. If she woke up, who would she talk to? Finn is coming and I’m sure they’ll be more interested in two dudes interacting than a woman and a man.

The New Deal? What’s the old deal then? Klaus’ and Stefan’s deal in 2.22? So, yes, it’s probably going to be about Klaus and Stefan. But who knows, there may be a twisty twist in there.

This spoiler about Klaus and Stefan is so over the top. It doesn’t make me hopeful for episode 10. You’re right, where does this wish to “destroy” each other even come from? It shouldn’t be such a big deal to Klaus and he shouldn’t be worried about consequences. It’s not like Stefan could kill his siblings, so it’s only a matter of time for him until he gets them back. Besides, I still don’t understand why Klaus has decided that now is the time to bring them back. I really don’t. And when it comes to Stefan, I have no clue whatsoever where this hatred/vengefulness is suddenly coming from.

I hadn’t thought of the possibility of them revealing the secret to Alaric’s new love interest. Oh noooo, I’ll hate that so much if that happens!

Finn … This spoiler is terrible news. Another Original? Yeah, what this show really needs is more immortal white males. And you’re probably right that Rebekah will remain the only female Original. Ugh, I don’t like it. And I don’t like that the only female Original is portrayed as childish and only interested in High School/Homecoming, while the male Originals are depicted as ‘the important ones’.

I agree. I don’t feel like Klaus is evil. Or crazy. S2 Klaus – yes, I could see that; S3 Klaus – no.

Another flashback to 1491 – why, oh why???? I feel like this is the worst spoiler of them all. Do not want! It will only involve more retconning. Plus I can’t see how it will be relevant. But who knows, maybe they will have this Finn guy know about a way to kill Klaus. Anything is possible.

And who will narrate this flashback? Probably Katherine herself. So we will get Katherine in the flashbacks and in the present.

The speculation that Finn might be Katherine’s baby’s daddy is truly horrifying. But I don’t think so either. I guess she either met him shortly after she turned into a vampire and learned about her family being slaughtered – or – she met him when she was human and still with Klaus. The second option would involve multiple retcons and is thus all the more likely to happen. Plus, I can see the writers wanting Klaus to make an appearance in these flashbacks. It’s the year of Klaus after all.

I’m looking forward to Caroline dealing with the fact that she won’t age anymore. Yes, it should have happened last season but at least it is happening. But yeah, there’s a good chance that it will only last one episode and then will never be addressed again. At least not this season.

And when it comes to Stefan, I have no clue whatsoever where this hatred/vengefulness is suddenly coming from.

Klaus supposedly took everything from Stefan. LOL. What is “everything”? Stefan didn’t care about killing those people while he was doing it. He showed no remorse. Besides, murder (and death in general to a lesser extent) is meaningless in TVD. Is “everything” being away from Delena for a couple of months? Loling irl

I hadn’t thought of the possibility of them revealing the secret to Alaric’s new love interest. Oh noooo, I’ll hate that so much if that happens!

Maybe the point is that Alaric has learned from his mistakes with Jenna. Now if only he would transition to becoming a recovering alcoholic instead of an active one since he is responsible for Jenna’s only remaining family and all

I don’t mind more flashbacks per se. My issue is that they aren’t about existing characters (unless Esther or the Mikael/Elijah relationship is featured in one of them). I can’t care about even more new characters from the past when they have given barely any focus to the two people who started it all – Mikael and Esther.

I’m looking forward to Caroline dealing with the fact that she won’t age anymore.

Me too! However, I am afraid that it is all going to be about Elena learning a lesson when they haven’t set up the Caroline/Elena relationship for something like this. If Bonnie, Liz, Matt (Didn’t’ Matt and Liz have a sad moment together because Caroline had *died*?), Bill or Rebekah (who could represent Caroline’s future) aren’t involved and it is all about how special Forwood is….Ugh! I am not saying Tyler shouldn’t be involved. He should be especially since he came to a place of acceptance/peace with his new transformation earlier and a big source of conflict between Forword is Tyler’s acceptance vs. Caroline’s non-acceptance or wtvr (I think) but the whole thing will be cheapened if some other people aren’t involved too.

Is “everything” being away from Delena for a couple of months? Loling irl

Lmao! The thing is we didn’t even get to see Damon and Elena get pissed to Stefan’s face. So Stefan’s reacting to what he’s sure they’re feeling. Which takes away the already minimal tension this situation had. But you know Stefan’s so empathic, when he thinks of people being mad at him, it’s as if he can see/hear them being mad at him right to his face. Rme. Stefan’s basically mad at Klaus for something he didn’t even experience because he got out of dodge before anyone could say a word to him.

However, I am afraid that it is all going to be about Elena learning a lesson when they haven’t set up the Caroline/Elena relationship for something like this.

Girl you know Elena will learn a lesson from this. She’ll probably go ahead and apply it to Damon’s life. They’ll have a “serious discussion” about what it was like for Damon to become a vampire. Now after some discussion a friend convinced me of the merit of seeing a flashback that’s actually from Damon’s point of view (he’s never had one) and hearing him talk about his experiences in a way where he isn’t a woobie, but….this will probably end up being annoying.

Now after some discussion a friend convinced me of the merit of seeing a flashback that’s actually from Damon’s point of view (he’s never had one) and hearing him talk about his experiences in a way where he isn’t a woobie,

I thought we were going to get a Damon flashback with new info in the season two finale (also known as the ep that killed any interest I had in Damon). I was waiting for a Damon flashback all season long and then they simply did a rehash of stuff we already knew.

Damon was whipped by Katherine and is now obsessed with Elena? Orly. I didn’t know that. How very interesting. I mean, obviously that was the first time he was shown rejecting Katherine or thinking of letting her go [sarcasm]. Plus, how did that flashback lead to him forgiving Stefan and taking full responsibility? You mean to tell me that this was the first time he examined his own culpability in all of this? Damon is so dumb on top of everything else, you guys. I can’t with him.

Plus, how did that flashback lead to him forgiving Stefan and taking full responsibility? You mean to tell me that this was the first time he examined his own culpability in all of this?

It wasn’t because it’s on record in Blood Brothers that he doesn’t want Stefan feeling guilty for his (Damon’s) actions. He said the guilt is there if he wants to feel it. So I don’t know what that scene was talking about *____*. I wonder how many times the writers go to write a scene that involves a character “revelation” only to realize they already did it. Do they go, “Damn! We should’ve waited for that bit of character growth. Oh well. That was a couple of episodes ago, so the fans have probably already forgotten.” It’s sad that they’re kind of right about that.

Girl you know Elena will learn a lesson from this. She’ll probably go ahead and apply it to Damon’s life.

Lmao! So true. I rolled my eyes when Bonnie told Elena that her break up with Jeremy wasn’t about Elena but Elena made it about herself anyway- “Oh Damon. I learned a valuable lesson from Bonnie” What? Bonnie politely told you to get lost, lady (that is how I am choosing to read that scene)

Btw, how hilarious is it that Elena has commented on Beremy, Caroline has commented on Delena and there was a Elena/Forwood scene but no one has commented on Stelena (other than Damon)?

What? Bonnie politely told you to get lost, lady (that is how I am choosing to read that scene)

Lol.

Well obviously the characters, like some of Fandom, are stuck in season 1 where they still think Stefan is the best choice for Elena and is an all-around great guy who just has a blood addiction. Not a killer who needs to be put down.

Do you mean this season? Because I think Bonnie commented on them in season one and two. In season two I remember that talk with Stefan in Masquerade.
And I think Caroline commented on Elena´s search for Stefan in the season premiere. Bonnie didn´t even said one word about Stefan … or so I think.

Most likely. Though I don’t get the point because there won’t be a deal because there’s going to be a stalemate.

It’s not like Stefan could kill his siblings, so it’s only a matter of time for him until he gets them back.

Exactly! So why is Klaus pissed? It would be one thing if he was easily offended, riled, or irrational.

Another flashback to 1491 – why, oh why????

To introduce Finn. That’s pretty much it. The 20s flashback turned out to be useless in the grand scheme of things, so let’s see how much impact this one has.

And who will narrate this flashback? Probably Katherine herself. So we will get Katherine in the flashbacks and in the present.

Nooooo!!!! Take it back! Ugh. Maybe Klaus knew Finn and Katherine had a thing, so he’ll be narrating? But to whom? Ugh. You’re probably right that this flashback will be rife with retcons. They can’t do them right anymore.

Do you also know what Finn means? It means Elena will have a new character to interact with. She’s lucky, that Elena. The producers don’t need to worry about introduction, or finding things they have in common, or even chemistry (though she’s had good chemistry with every character she’s interacted with). Because of the Katherine factor. These people knew Katherine, had experiences with Katherine, and formed opinions about Katherine, and Elena/the show benefits from that because it gives them a ready-made setup for when these characters have to interact with Elena. And it happens every.single.time. From Stefan and Damon, to Rose, to even Anna, to Elijah, Klaus, Rebekah, and soon….Finn. Has Elena met anyone/a vampire who didn’t have a ready-made opinion of her. Someone she actually had to start from scratch with? A Luka/Jonas to her Bonnie?

Per the newest JP tidbit, it seems Caroline won’t be in episode 10. Explains why she wasn’t in the trailer.

I have no words for the Trio. I just don’t. We never saw Damon thinking about acting on his feelings for Elena. Come on now. The last we heard of his feelings was episode 2 (I think) when he told her to remember how she felt while Stefan was gone. And then nothing from his side.

And then there’s the way they’re apparently going to frame “Stefan’s recent actions” which I’m thinking means him ruining the plan, not…you know…ripping people apart. I’m losing the ability to have words when it comes to these 3. Stefan saving Damon’s life is going to make him think twice about going after Elena. We’ve seen this how many times now? Basically every time Stefan’s saved Damon’s life, this subject has come up. I’m getting tired of Damon being the “ungrateful brother,” the one who wouldn’t think twice about going after his brother’s girl (aside from the fact that he does. Think twice, that is. That’s why he started abusing Andie after all) while Stefan’s the one who would risk Elena to save Damon because he’s so good-hearted. Ugh!

The last we heard of his feelings was episode 2 (I think) when he told her to remember how she felt while Stefan was gone. And then nothing from his side.

How about the time he groped her in the guise of combat training (when he was showing her how to stake a vampire)? Also, he slept next to her without her permission.

Btw, I love how JP talks about *Damon* acting on his feelings and not Elena. I LOVE how it is all about what Damon is going to do. One would think that since Damon has made his feelings abundantly clear over and over again, the ball would be in Elena’s court. I mean, she is the one who won’t choose Damon completely. Damon has already chosen her. Someone in tv tropes wrote that the tension between Delena isn’t so much will they/won’t they but will he/won’t he rape her and I agree.

Now I kinda hope that one of these new characters is a potential new love interest for Elena. If Elena develops real interest in someone new while Stefan is not an option, I will *die* laughing at Damon’s tears. It will be EPIC as the writers are fond of saying. Of course, the guy will be dead in 2 secs but those 2 secs would be so delicious.

I agree so much with everything you wrote in the second paragraph. That is why I love the nickname – Triangle of Doom

How about the time he groped her in the guise of combat training (when he was showing her how to stake a vampire)? Also, he slept next to her without her permission.

Yeah, but that’s just ~normal Damon like when he was sitting in her room when she got out of the shower Rose. ~Feelings Damon is when he’s looking at her ~tenderly and leaning down while talking to her and his face looks like it’s about to crack from all the ~tenderness.

One would think that since Damon has made his feelings abundantly clear over and over again, the ball would be in Elena’s court. I mean, she is the one who won’t choose Damon completely.

I thought this season was supposed to be about the Elena side of Delena. It seemed to be heading that way in Disturbing Behavior. Are they really going to backpeddle and keep the ball in Damon’s court? At what point does Elena start participating in this conversation Damon and Stefan have been having about her since like season 1?

Elena developing real, genuine feelings for someone who’s never been with Katherine? I struggle to imagine it. If only. You know Damon would be all up in the guy’s grill or making comments to Elena or Stefan. Ugh. And of course Stefan would totally ~understand and he’d be telling Damon to give Elena room. Smh.

Elena developing real, genuine feelings for someone who’s never been with Katherine? I struggle to imagine it.

Me too. It is an impossibility. I was thinking of the guy from Katherine’s past from the spoilers. I am mostly into this idea for the opportunity to laugh at Damon. I only enjoy him now when I can laugh at this suffering and/or idiocy. Plus, there is this assumption by everyone inside and outside the show that Elena is stuck with the Salvatores. The writers throwing a wrench into that idea, however briefly, would be a real twist.

And after I read some speculations about shooting for TVD it seems like Kat/Bonnie won´t be in episode 14, because the cast started shooting for episode 14 today … but Kat had already her last day of shooting for tvd this year according to one of her tweets.
Don´t think that they will shoot half an episode and finish it next year. But who knows.
And somebody said, that this was the episode about which JP gushed about so much. *fangirl mode activated*

I feel like I’d be far happier hearing “Elena knows she has to move on from Stefan” if they didn’t imply that she’d be rushing off into Damon’s arms. Perhaps she should chill for the rest of the season and find herself a little. You know, get over the fact that she spent the past year or so sleeping with a homicidal sociopath – and that when she found out the true extent of his illness, she didn’t step away – no, she chased him even harder. Like, I don’t know, maybe it’s time for some inner reflection and mental health stuff. Because, she’s kind of being grieving non-stop since this show started and I think a lot of her need to cling so hard to Stefan and be so dependent on him, and revel in his dependence on her comes out of that grief and the depression that comes with grief. Or maybe that’s just how she is?

Anyway, Stefan. Honestly. I just think that contrary to making him look cunning/badass/intelligent, stealing Klaus’ family makes him look stupid as hell. Even a child would know that provoking someone like Klaus is not a smart thing, especially when his supposed motivation for doing half of these things is to “protect” the people he loves. I don’t know how to look at Stefan as anything more without seeing the holes in his narrative and his narrative of himself. Bah.

Caroline’s birthday stuff – WIN. As long as it’s not going to shoehorn Tyler as someone stated above.

Is it just me or did Elena look like a junkie chasing a fix when she was looking for Stefan early in the season? JFC! That was surreal. I think she needs an intervention but her friends don’t even know half of what is going on.

She did. I still am not over the look on her face when she was looking at Stefan from that closet-full of his kills. She was straight up unhinged. And the show isn’t really dealing with that in a way that makes sense to me. And I don’t think we were supposed to look at it and see someone two steps away from losing it completely but that’s what I saw. Send help!

I feel like I’d be far happier hearing “Elena knows she has to move on from Stefan” if they didn’t imply that she’d be rushing off into Damon’s arms.

This. So many of Elena’s revelations and epiphanies happen because they need to push a certain ship. I’d be all for Elena realizing she needs to move on from Stefan if I didn’t see it being done as a way to get her to Damon. Ugh.

Because, she’s kind of being grieving non-stop since this show started

That’s a good way to look at Elena, and I’ve never thought of that before. Girlfriend is always gloomy and looking put-upon and she has to be forced to have fun. Even on her own birthday.

I really can´t get over this mess. Klaus is there for a hot minute and his whole family is introduced and Bonnie and her fans have to wait three (!!!) seasons until we get her first parental figure. As if the priorities of the show weren´t any clearer already.

Btw I don´t know the actors who will play these two brothers … but they look really bla.
I´m already pissed of about this and I haven´t even seen them on screen.

And because of our confusion about the amount of coffins, JP enlightens us here:

“To clear up a few things — yes, those are the only two remaining siblings.

However, there are a few extra coffins in Klaus’s collection… and we will find out why after the show returns.

“There were seven children in the Original family,” executive producer Julie Plec tells us. “What we’ve learned is that one of them died before the parents came to the new world, one of them died at the hands of the werewolves — poor Henrik — which leaves five children. There’s definitely a question of why, if there are only two left, why are there all those coffins. That is a good question, and that’s something that will be answered.” ”

So the list goes:
dead brother (died in europe, perhaps), Elijah, Klaus, Rebekah, Henrick (killed by werewolves), Finn, Kol.
Perhaps he exhumed his mother and the original Petrova (she is for sure) is in the other coffin.

I really can´t get over this mess. Klaus is there for a hot minute and his whole family is introduced and Bonnie and her fans have to wait three (!!!) seasons until we get her first parental figure. As if the priorities of the show weren´t any clearer already.

Yes. Btw, do we know if Bonnie’s mom will be a recurring character/be in more than 1 episode?

I´m already pissed of about this and I haven´t even seen them on screen.

Me too. Like Alta said in the podcast, I thought that JP had said that introducing all of the Originals this season wasn’t a good idea.I don’t get why they’ve changed their mind.

Well, if they introduce all of the Originals now, it means that this Original family business will be finally done and over with at the end of S3.So there’s at least that…

Yes. Btw, do we know if Bonnie’s mom will be a recurring character/be in more than 1 episode?

In that casting call they wrote that she is recurring:

“[ABBY BENNETT] 38-44, African-American, a beautiful but troubled woman who is burdened by the secrets of her past that led her to abandon her daughter Bonnie. As determined and fiery as any Bennett woman…GUEST STAR, RECURRING.”

Well, she did kill off two of the kids. I think that is what she is referring to. It was a bad idea to introduce 7 so she introduced 5.

Clever girl JP. She found a loophole.
But at the same time they introduced father and mother original. Alhough we didn´t see much of them. But they were introduced.

Btw a quick question – do you think JP is to much involved in this fandom. Call me a little bit “old school” and I know it´s very difficult with all this social network and so on but I think she is to much interacting with the fandom and I believe that doesn´t really make her writing better and also her priorities.
I saw on her twitter that she asked some fans about their favourite fanvids about TVD … and at least one of them is a big shipper and that was also represented in her/his list of videos that she/he sent to JP.
Don´t know how many fans she tweeted, but the one list that I saw, didn´t include one video of Bonnie.

Btw a quick question – do you think JP is to much involved in this fandom.

I wrote this whole long thing but deleted it because I really don’t know. It is what it is. So many headwriters are doing it now

As for the Bonnie aspect of it, I don’t think that most of fandom will ever warm up to Bonnie. I am guessing that about 80% (only a slight exaggeration) of fandom have sexual fantasies about Damon on the regular so Bonnie is screwed forever. She “hurt” Damon and Caroline like once so it is all over for her. Those two are such woobies and we know how much people love woobies. If JP is that into fan videos, it doesn’t bode well for Bonnie.

I vaguely remember JP tweeting that she described how she filters social media feedback in an interview once but it was cut in favor of the more sensational “shipper” parts. I wish someone would ask her that the next time she takes questions on twitter.

You´re right about that. Thanks for answering Susan.
But I really want to know for what she wants to have these videos? Does she thinks that 2 minute videos represent the mess of writing which they produce every week better than the actual show, which is probably right. And why can´t she search for it herself?
Perhaps she is like her writing. Too lazy.

I wish someone would ask her that the next time she takes questions on twitter.

Yeh. I saw that too. But like in the interviews this question will probably be ignored because of the massive amount of shipper questions.

I think it is just a way to make the fans feel appreciated by interacting with them. I would think that adding that personal touch by *asking* for videos and showcasing the videos of fans who respond, encourages the production of more fan videos which can only be good for creating buzz. This is a small-ish show (like all CW shows) so I do think that anything that maintains/encourages the core fanbase makes lots of sense.

That is a good point, Susan. But still, like Kathrin, I feel JP is too much involved with the fandom/the shippers. Like, a lot of the scenes feel like they are just there to provide the video/gif makers with more material. Take “Smells Like Teen Spirit” for example – but really, any S3 ep can be cited as an example.

I understand, Susan. That could be the reason but nevertheless it´s always the problem of favouritism and if you tweet a video of one pairing you also should tweet a video of the “rival” pairing because you will cause reactions to that and on a show that depends so much on ships you should either be neutral or don´t even get involved.

And I also agree with Emily about the gif/video material which the show writers provide in season three.
I think I saw at least two aritcles in which the author said that this or that scene would be all over tumblr in the form of gifs or whatever.

Is there a shortage of Bonnie videos?

I don´t think so, but I´m not that much involved in fanvideos. I would assume that the majority are shipper videos but it will be the same with the other girls.

And I didn´t want to start anything but I was curious about it and I thought I could ask you.

That could be the reason but nevertheless it´s always the problem of favouritism and if you tweet a video of one pairing you also should tweet a video of the “rival” pairing because you will cause reactions to that and on a show that depends so much on ships you should either be neutral or don´t even get involved.

Ugh! Really? What pairing is she always going with? Stelena? Is she actively asking for shipping videos? Either way, aren’t there enough non-shipping videos or multi-ship videos out there? All the focus on shipping worked great or, at least, ok when the stakes were lower. Now the stakes are way too high. You can’t say that countless people’s lives are at stake and involve all powerful/invincible beings then make it all about shipping. I can’t with her. Insomnia + thinking about JP just might be the end of me.

I think I saw at least two aritcles in which the author said that this or that scene would be all over tumblr in the form of gifs or whatever.

Ugh! Really? What pairing is she always going with? Stelena? Is she actively asking for shipping videos? Either way, aren’t there enough non-shipping videos or multi-ship videos out there? All the focus on shipping worked great or, at least, ok when the stakes were lower. Now the stakes are way too high. You can’t say that countless people’s lives are at stake and involve all powerful/invincible beings then make it all about shipping. I can’t with her. Insomnia + thinking about JP just might be the end of me.

Not Stelena, it was Delena but that was awhile ago. Can´t really remember when … but since then many SE fans think she is “Team Delena”. And also because of her interviews. She is not very popular in this part of the fandom. But I think she also isn´t very popular in the Bonnie fanbase.
I don´t think she is actively asking for shipping videos, but probably many people tweet her vids … and sometimes she responds to them.
I looked at the list of one of the persons she tweeted to about sending her their favourite fanvids. And like you said Bonnie is screwed up. The list consists some general TVD vids. But I wouldn´t call them “general” because in most of them there are only the core three (+Katherine) and Forwood with the preference of Stefan/Caroline, Damon/Elena.
If you would watch them but don´t know the show you could probably like them … but I can´t because of the context to the scenes that they are using. But the editing is awesome.
The list also consists shipper/character vids … none for Bonnie or Bonnie/lovelife.

I agree with your comment about “making it all about shipping” but if you tell someone that you don´t like that shipping focus they will say “this show is about a girl who is torn between two vampire brothers – of course it is about shipping”.

There are ways to make a show shipping heavy (which A LOT of shows are. It is not something unique to TVD) without having it suck this much or without ignoring other parts of the show. I mean, even sci-fi shows like Fringe are very shipping heavy (it is all Peter/Olivia all the time). Can you imagine any romantic comedy or drama where the heroine’s boyfriend leaves (for wtvr reason. It doesn’t even have to be about doing violent things) and her best friends don’t comment on it? They don’t have any opinions on it at all? They don’t talk to her about it at all? No one has any opinions on it? Plus, no one really gives a damn that their family members’ murderers are running around free. People don’t have a reaction to rape. Come on. They don’t have to write all this other stuff that characters should have a reaction to if they want to make it all about the ToD’s romantic shenanigans. They could tell different kinds of stories. Plus, this is not fandom’s doing completely. Who even asked for the Originals before they showed up? Were people clamoring to see Elijah’s 5736 siblings? If so, was that the majority of fandom?

Nobody cared to see Elijah’s family until the producers said we’d be seeing Elijah’s family. When Elijah was talking about giving his family a proper burial, no one was going, “Hmmm, wonder what they looked like. I hope we see them!”

However, there are a few extra coffins in Klaus’s collection… and we will find out why after the show returns.

I just know in my gut that they did not plan this out. I know in 2.21 and 2.22 they meant for all of the siblings to be in those coffins. I really don’t want to find out who else is in the coffins. I don’t care. Making the original Petrova one of them, and you’re probably right that that’s what they intend to do, will further confuse things. Because they made the mistake of making Esther be at the origin of vampires and Klaus’ curse. They’re going to say the OG Petrova was in the Americas too?

ugh really, there couldn’t be another female original this show hates women. As if there isn’t enough white males on this show they add two more. As far as the fandom is concerned the problem is all the witches being black.

I was really hoping Alta was wrong when she guessed the two remaining originals were male.

Why is this entire season being taken over by the originals? They’re like a blight that won’t ever go away. And it’s frustrating to watch. And just not interesting storytelling. Why on earth should we care about this passel of original brothers? I don’t get it.They’re not compelling characters, and they’re not compelling villains. Elijah was the best of them all and even he became tiresome with his sudden lack of foresight.

Ugh, I’m really just in this for Bonnie and Caroline, and oddly enough, Elena (mostly ironically for her though). Everyone else should seriously go away.

Apparently. JP needs more fangirl material.
But they aren´t even that attractive … and I don´t get an original vibe from them like with Elijah and sometimes with Klaus.

Why is this entire season being taken over by the originals? They’re like a blight that won’t ever go away. And it’s frustrating to watch. And just not interesting storytelling. Why on earth should we care about this passel of original brothers? I don’t get it.They’re not compelling characters, and they’re not compelling villains. Elijah was the best of them all and even he became tiresome with his sudden lack of foresight.

All of this.
And with them introducing every member of the family it is getting worse. They are overdoing it. It´s like they can´t stop. I´m not a writer but this is ridiculous.
After that boring origin story they should have waited perhaps until the end of the series to introduce them.
They won´t stay and in the end they will get a dagger in the back either way.

I mostly watch for Bonnie, Caroline and Mystic Grill CEO Matt but I wait for a spin off series with these three on world tour or at least far away from MF.

This is really funny because I was on a forum talking to someone who was passive-aggressively complaining about the witches being at the origin of vampires. We were talking about Bonnie’s mom coming in and she gave the whole, “Even though it’s called the Vampire Diaries, lolz.” *____*. As if there aren’t enough vampires and as if the ones who are there are interesting.

I’m really looking forward to Caroline finally dealing with being a vampire. I’ve been waiting for this. This is story I wanted for Caroline when her dad came to town. When he told Caroline that she is a vampire and that she would never be ok. Yes Caroline he’s right you just haven’t dealt with that fact yet.

I don’t care what’s happening in the “triangle of doom” as Susan calls them. I need Delena to happen I can’t take them anymore just put us all out of our misery.

Klaus has been around for half a season and we met his whole ridiculous family all 20 of them.
We’ve yet to meet Bonnie’s father whom she lives with.

Sorry for all this massive link posting but apparently today there is a spoiler boom.

So my last hopes for Elena staying single and especially staying away from the Salvatores are down the drain.
I can´t wait for these special “moments”. /sarcasm ends.
Apparently only Stefan, Elena, Damon and Klaus make the show and the other characters aren´t important.

I think Bonnie will find out about Stefan and why he stopped Damon from killing Klaus and will tell it Delena.
But that´s not what I wanted for that scene between Stefan and Bonnie.

I´m at least intrigued by Klaus manipulating himself into town and trying to make deals (“The New Deal”) with Mayor Lockwood.
Perhaps the writers will rise the IQ of their big bad.
But I don´t want to get my hopes up.

Though Stefan is out of the picture, Damon and Elena continue to spend time together. “They have to work together against Klaus, so they keep finding themselves in these moments that they’re now both free to act on, without guilt.”

So [deep sigh] the whole point of this was to position Delena in such a way that they would get it on without having it look like they betrayed Stefan. He “betrayed” them first, right? Oh my freaking Goooood. Plus, Stefan still (supposedly) comes out looking good because he did this all for his brother. Oh dear God!

“I love me some Paul! I think he’s a wonderful actor, and to really see him get to explode on screen has been so exciting and so intense and emotional. I’m really proud of him. I’m proud of the show, in a way, because that storyline really worked the way that we wanted it work.”

How did it work? How? Who even gets this story? Do people on tumblr get this storyline?

So [deep sigh] the whole point of this was to position Delena in such a way that they would get it on without having it look like they betrayed Stefan. He “betrayed” them first, right? Oh my freaking Goooood. Plus, Stefan still (supposedly) comes out looking good because he did this all for his brother. Oh dear God!

That had me laughing so much. That´s probably the sl which they mentioned for them to feel guilty about their growing connection. Because that was said at the beginning of season three and I didn´t see any guilt from both of them until now.
I can´t for the love of god understand why Elena is hanging around with Damon all the time and how will these “moments” develop?
Perhaps Alaric will lure in the background like he did already all season three.
I can´t with this Triangle of Doom and with these trio Alaric/Elena/Damon … who haven´t any chemistry together.

How did it work? How? Who even gets this story? Do people on tumblr get this storyline?

That´s another question we should tweet JP because apparently she is the only one who gets it.
Stefan didn´t get anything out of this storyline. It is only there to prob Delena and makes the other characters who aren´t Damon and Elena looking pretty bad but at the same time nobody interacts with Stefan except for Damon and Elena.
I think the D/E/S triangle is even more isolated from the group than last year.

It is only there to prob Delena and makes the other characters who aren´t Damon and Elena looking pretty bad but at the same time nobody interacts with Stefan except for Damon and Elena.

And to make Stefan look “badass”. smh

I think the D/E/S triangle is even more isolated from the group than last year.

Yes, definitely. I feel like the show would be way more tolerable if the triangle stopped interacting with each other all the damn time. Like, could you even imagine an episode without any interaction between Elena and the Salvatores?

But like Susan quoted making him dumb (or better even dumber) in the process.
I don´t know how they want to write themselves out of this mess.

I feel like the show would be way more tolerable if the triangle stopped interacting with each other all the damn time. Like, could you even imagine an episode without any interaction between Elena and the Salvatores?

Right. It would especially be better for Elena.
Impossible.
Sometimes I´m that cruel and wish that they would take something out of the books. Like in the fourth book (after Elena died) the Salvatores left Fells Church and we got to see the people interact that grew up together almost half of the book there was no Salvatore in sight. And we got to see everything from Bonnie´s POV.
Yeh. That won´t happen on the show. Especially after Elena died last season and we didn´t get anything from this. Not even one conversation with Bonnie about this and what Elena thought about UJ sacrificing his life so she didn´t become a vampire.

I´m at least intrigued by Klaus manipulating himself into town and trying to make deals (“The New Deal”) with Mayor Lockwood.
Perhaps the writers will rise the IQ of their big bad.
But I don´t want to get my hopes up.

At first I read that Klaus only would spare the Lockwoods and I thought about the council and their new honorary member Alaric and what he would have said to this kind of deal, because what about the other humans.
But apparently this Alaric/Council sl only lasted one episode.

But do you think that Klaus only spoke with Carol or also with the other founding familys (the ones that are still left).

But do you think that Klaus only spoke with Carol or also with the other founding familys (the ones that are still left).

I would think that the more people against Stefan the better so probably the entire Council. What I don’t get is why this is such a big manipulation by Klaus? Why would anyone need convincing that Stefan is the problem right now? He so obviously is. I would be Team Klaus in two secs in this situation. I am a black lady so he might even mistake me for a witch and let me get away with way more than other people.

Someone in the vampire-diaries.net Dungeon section wrote that the writers want to make the longer term “Big Bads” badass. Unfortunately, instead of making the villains smart, they have dumbed down the regular characters. That is so true!

Someone in the vampire-diaries.net Dungeon section wrote that the writers want to make the longer term “Big Bads” badass. Unfortunately, instead of making the villains smart, they have dumbed down the regular characters. That is so true!

Yes! At the same time, they’ve made Klaus so extremely powerful (practically unkillable, should have great instincts as a hybrid, etc.) that they had to dumb him down too. Klaus was never really smart to begin with, but S2 Klaus was def. smarter than S3 Klaus. So, I guess you could say that they dumbed both the villain and the regular characters down.

Which consists of who? Tobias Fell is dead. That Council should only have three people: Liz, Carol, and now Alaric. Is this when the feuding family stuff will come in? Because Carol will side with Klaus? I want to see Carol working Klaus because she’s part of a family that stole a bunch of vamp property after killing them. That family is devious and I want to see her throwing the other Founding families (heck the Forbes) under the bus to save her family’s ass.

I am a black lady so he might even mistake me for a witch and let me get away with way more than other people.

I also loled at Damon asking Carol why she would be on Klaus’ side since he changed her son. Her son is cool with it and didn’t you *murder* her brother-in-law, Damon? Why would she feel any loyalty towards you or your brother? Lol. I guess this is why they had Alaric join the Council? I guess so that they can have some half-assed double cross storyline going. Alaric will probably be against this and trying to pull people in the other direction. Although, why would anyone even listen to him? Idk.

LOL, the Salvatores’ monumental arrogance has always been really tiresome to me. Especially since this town mostly owes them nothing? Like, they’ve literally brought a ton of misfortune down on Mystic Falls and its citizens – if I lived there and knew even half of what’s gone down in the past two years, I’d be after them with flame-throwers and pitchforks.

But this kind of speaks to my incredulity with the idea of Damon/Stefan/even Elena being characters that command any sort of authority or respect. It’s just so weird to me.

The whole Klaus/Carol thing would be so much better if it is initiated by Carol. Like, she offers to use law enforcement resources to find Stefan or something. It will be kinda awesome if she is the one who brings the idea to the Council.

But this kind of speaks to my incredulity with the idea of Damon/Stefan/even Elena being characters that command any sort of authority or respect. It’s just so weird to me.

It *is* weird. I really don’t understand why we are supposed to root for them at all. After all, there is no morality in TVD really and Klaus is the only one with a clear understandable goal. Klaus is the one driving the story. Everyone else is acting as an antagonist to him, right? This should be Klaus’ show at this point. I don’t know. After rewatching the show, I realized that one of the reasons I liked season one is that it was centered around intensely personal and somewhat small scale dramas – Elena looking for her birth mother, Anna trying to free mother, Damon trying to free his lover, the conflict between the Salvatores, Caroline’s jealousy of Elena, Bonnie realizing what she is, etc. (also, I realized that my memory is *not* the best. I misremembered so many details. Like the whole Stefan wearing a hoodie with no undershirt in the rain thing that I discussed with Olu and Alta a while back but I digress). They were just people/monsters who lived in a small town. I feel like these characters are not made for big scale conflicts like breaking 1000 yr old curses. Or the show went there too fast. Idk. I feel like the show missed a few steps and took a huge leap instead.

I feel like these characters are not made for big scale conflicts like breaking 1000 yr old curses. Or the show went there too fast. Idk. I feel like the show missed a few steps and took a huge leap instead.

Complete agree with you. One of the things that distinguished the show at the start was the focus on this wonderful network of relationships and non-relationships, and at the core of it all was the concept of “family”. And I was so invested in every little relationship (bar Tyler, don’t care about Tyler at all), the friendships were believable, and the characters themselves were really believable and complicated.

But then somewhere along the way, the show took a giant leap. Because I’m still not sure how we jumped from that to facing literally the biggest bad that this universe can produce in Klaus. It’s just bad storytelling and terrible world-building. Where are we supposed to go after Klaus? Or are we doomed to have him on the show forever here on out? Anyway, one mistake I feel is that they increased the stakes to this level but somehow failed to make the characters measure up to the level of risk they’re facing and possible danger and consequences of their decisions. Bonnie’s literally the only one that’s expressed any sort of awareness and concern like that – the rest of them are still dwelling in season 1 where their little love triangles and petty emotions take precedence over the world and yet their idiot decisions are affecting the world – often detrimentally and destructively.

It’s so bizarre. And it makes it really hard to be invested in them and their narratives because they just come off as myopic and selfish in a way that is honestly unforgivable. If they weren’t willing to go a Buffy-esque route and make this ragtag collection of characters into some sort of surrogate family that’s fighting to help people and save the town or whatever then they shouldn’t be putting them in situations where their selfishness and stupidity result in scores of needless deaths and NONE of them take any responsibility for it. Except. Once again. Bonnie (whether she’s doing it out of her own sense of duty and responsibility and care for people other than herself and her friends e.g. the device, the whole of season 2 or whether she has to be reminded of her duty e.g. Grams popping up).

It boggles my mind that the writers aren’t even attempting to strike that balance. That no one is saying, “Oh wait, so Klaus has gone off and created a bunch of indestructible beasts and they’re running all over town, hm, that might endanger innocent people who aren’t even a part of this, maybe we should get our heads out of arses and stop making googly eyes at each other and come up with a workable plan.” or “Oh, look, Stefan’s gone on a killing spree across the country, scores of people are dead, maybe we should put him down or stop him and not make the gravity of that situation all about who’s having sex with who?”

Honestly, so many of the characters are just too selfish and/or stupid to live at this point.

I’m still very confused at the idea of Damon and Elena teaming up to fight against anyone and succeeding tbh. I know it’s mean, but I just can’t with the show’s insistence that these two have a care beyond their small family unit. It all rings false.

I wonder if the show will ever disentangle Elena from the mire that is her relationship with the Salvatores. I mean, I think there’s some value in the relationship – and sometimes I have feelings about the love triangle as a destructive, co-dependent, monstrous thing but always with the hope that the brothers will either die or go away and Elena will let them go/tell them to leave because she just kind of wants something else. I doubt the show will go there. Oh well.

Still no word on Bonnie, and it’s driving me nuts since that is easily the most interesting story to me of the lot.

I hope Klaus gets smarter so far he’s so incredibly dull and silly. I like the idea of his manipulating the utterly useless town council – maybe that’ll force Alaric to grow some proactivity as well.

I’m still trying to get over how monumentally stupid Stefan’s little plan is and how irritated I’m going to be when this “pissing contest” results in needless deaths and not a single person takes notice.

Lol what is even a Matt? Or a Jeremy? (Although, I’m very happy for them to slide into the background, they’re not the kinds of the characters that can drive a story for me and the earlier part of the season tried to make them so and it was a huge mistake and utter waste of the ghost storyline – never again, god-willing)

I’m still very confused at the idea of Damon and Elena teaming up to fight against anyone and succeeding tbh. I know it’s mean, but I just can’t with the show’s insistence that these two have a care beyond their small family unit. It all rings false.

Wait. How is this mean? It has been shown over and over again to be true. Damon was going to randomly murder Tyler in the last ep.

She gave him a chance to let his humanity come through and break through, and he didn’t, in her eyes.

Is Elena, and therefore JP, aware that Stefan was compelled at the time? Does JP remember what compulsion does?

They don’t know where he is or why he betrayed them.

Bonnie can find Stefan. This is so ridiculous.

Watching these powerful characters and these powerful actors go head-to-head is going to be awesome.

Honestly, can she stop? Stefan is in no way powerful. In no way. What will Bonnie be doing while Stefan and Klaus are having their macho pissing contest? And Damon/Elena have to work together? Why are they leading things? They’ve go nothing. Oh my word.

[Mayor Lockwood] says, ‘Klaus has offered to leave me, my family, and this town alone if you can get your brother to behave.

Perhaps she will search him on her own, because she can´t deal with the Delena bs?

If only. You know Delena is in charge of this whole Stefan business.

Damon’s depression makes no sense. Like someone once said, he and Stefan have gone through worse and done worse to each other. These writers need to make up their minds. Because it was Damon who was pretty blase about Stefan running around with Klaus and he started wanting to bring him back “For Elena.” Now they’re going to have him be in a mood they didn’t really build up to.

How many Originals flashbacks are we getting this season? Are they going to tell us that Damon knew some other Original back in the day too? Like Alta, I want Bennett related flashbacks but I am so tired of dead and/or subservient witches. I don’t want to see another vampire coming into a witch’s bar like he owns the place or trying to command a witch in any way or killing a witch easily – killing a witch should be tough.

That´s the year of the first International Women´s Day. An episode only about the women perhaps? Wouldn´t hold my hopes up.
Spmebody mentioned that it is also a title of a movie. But I don´t think they will flashback to a chinese revolution.

That´s the year of the first International Women´s Day. An episode only about the women perhaps?

This is likely… There was that throwaway line Elena had about the women’s suffrage when she was talking about the Salvatores in the 20s… OMG! Does JP think this show is feminist?!!! My mind is so boggled I might pass out.

That´s the year of the first International Women´s Day. An episode only about the women perhaps? Wouldn´t hold my hopes up.

That would be awesome but I don’t think so. That’s not how TVD rolls.

I’d say the flashbacks are either about some Klaus/Originals stuff we have no idea about yet or they’re about the ripper SL. Didn’t Stefan kill an entire village in 1917? So maybe 1911 is the year he started his ripper ramapage that lasted until the 20s. Idk. But I’m pretty sure the flashbacks are either about Klaus/the Originals or the Salvatores.

If they give us another Stefan “Ripper” flashback….Oh Lord. Why? That should have been near the beginning of the season or part of the Lexi torture (for example, if he flashed back to his “Ripper” days while Lexi was making him think that he was starving). But this totally sounds like something they would do. JP did say that this (utter failure of an) arc would be a long one and it would lead to a realization that Stefan is bad or something 😐

I’ve been putting off listening to this because of class and self-preservation purposes.

The New Deal as an episode title makes no sense since the show has failed to reference the fact that Stefan actually made a deal, of sound mind, if not body, with Klaus. I think Damon may have referenced it vaguely but considering neither Stefan or Klaus brought it up, the episode title is weak.

What is Julie even talking about? No one wants to watch a Mexican standoff. Klaus could just kill Stefan. He could kill Stefan and make a deal with a witch in order to find his family. Easy as pie.

Did Mikael know about the coffins? Did he never try to steal them from Klaus? I’m just, my thoughts with this show are so weak right now because this storyline is such a convoluted, self-contradicting hotmess of incoherency.

Alta, that plan was really important!

Caroline isn’t in love with Tyler. She really isn’t. I’m not even sure that’s what the show wants to think. At least the writers don’t seem to find it important.

Are they going to reveal the secret to her when they didn’t manage to reveal the secret to Jenna or Matt until after: 1) Jenna stabbed herself and saw Isobel and 2) Matt literally died? Is that what they’re going to do?

These characters and this show are just irresponsible.

I hope Finn doesn’t reoccur. And I’m just not interested in meeting anymore white dudes. Can they just kill 90% of them? I like Matt but they’ve wasted whatever potential he could have had and Zach Roerig has the acting ability of a dying horse. Which makes no sense, but the sight of him acting has gotten progressively worse since s1 and I imagine the same thing happens when you look at a dying horse…I haven’t gone to sleep yet.

This Caroline episode really should have happened in s2. It’s funny because, having seen Julie Plec’s interviews, she really is always adding this stuff with a laugh. I don’t even know what to do with this show anymore.

If Tyler is the highlight of Caroline’s birthday I may have to stop watching any scenes she has without Bonnie.

Do they have the characters think about Bonnie outside of going to her for help? With the exception of Caroline?

The storytelling for this show is bad as far as storytelling goes and far to big to include the characters as they have been drawn. Like Susan said above, these are not the characters for world saving. The villains aren’t even the characters for world-destroying/controlling. And maybe this could be something that works, within the show, but the way Julie talks there is no moral framework for the show. And without a moral framework, who are these characters supposed to be protecting, when they seem unable to identify or punish morally reprehensible behavior? I don’t know. A lot of what has happened this season deserved more than episode. Like the first half of this season could have been a whole season, considering just how ridiculous things are about to get. It’s not a brand new idea that shows need pacing and story development and character development. So I don’t know why this show goes out of its way to undermine or leave unexplored or completely ignore the information they do give us about the characters.

I tried to reflect that spoiler about Carol and Klaus … and I thought about the “Homecoming” episode.
I don´t know Alta if you spoke about it, but during that Tyler/Klaus scene Tyler spoke about his mother and what she would think about that mess that would be to clean up afterwards.
Klaus said, that he told her to go to the church – and first I thought, why would Carol do this?
She doesn´t know Klaus, or did Tyler told her about being a Hybrid? Why would she speak to him and listen to him?
Then I thought that he probably compelled her, but that would be pretty stupid, if Carol one of the leaders of the council hadn´t vervain in her system.
Now after this, do you think they interacted already in offscreenville and perhaps Carol already made a deal to protect the town?

And a second thought I had was about this Tony-guy (who is one of the Hybrids). Klaus told him after this female Hybrid said that Mikael is waiting for him, that “you know what to do” and there was this feeling in the air (probably like that one Rebekah/Elena scene), that this was an important moment. But then nothing happened … or was it that Tony should lead Klaus other hybrids to attack Mikael in the back? I don´t know if I saw him in the group who was wolfsbaned (is this the proper term?) but perhaps Klaus had already a masterplan for what should happen if he died/ would be captivated.

And finally my last thought about Caroline´s birthday. That will be on January 12th and that´s the episode which is called “Our Town” an now I´m scared that the will throw something like a big Founders party for her … with old costumes and bla, because she likes it so much … but at the same time Bonnie will be here and we know what the founders did with the witches and Bonnie´s ancestors. I don´t want to see something like this. Especially if Bonnie participates the planing of the party.

Ok. I guess that makes sense. I am still a little confused as to how compulsion on vampires is different from compulsion on humans. If it works the same way, I wish they would give us some indication. Like, by telling us that Alaric remembers Isobel’s compulsion now.

I didn’t talk about it. I just thought Klaus compelled her, because we’ve gotten nothing about whether or not Carol knows that Tyler is a Hybrid. But you just made me realize that it’s going to happen just as I said: we’re going to come back and we’re going to be told that Carol already knew. I guess since accepting Caroline, Carol has no strong feelings about her son being a vampire? Double the monster? Okay.

I think the command was just that he was supposed to get the other Hybrids ready to attack Mikael. I did see him when they showed up outside.

I don’t think they’ll throw her a Founder’s party. The adults would have to be involved. But, ugh, they can still do something where they dress up in period garb, and I don’t want that either because of the Bonnie factor, like you said.

Now that I think about it Klaus shouldn’t have been able to compel Carol in “Homecoming”. Remember she puts vervain in her coffee. When she was trying to figure out if Tyler was a vampire in 3×02 she had vervain in the creamier or something. I don’t understand why she would stop doing that unless she knows Tyler is a vampire/Hybrid so she got rid of the vervein in the house. Why would she stop taking it and not be able to protect herself from other vampires.

You’re right. Convenience. I knew something was fishy. Why would she even get rid of the vervain in the house? She obviously doesn’t put it where Tyler can access it. And if Tyler somehow stupidly requested that she get rid of the vervain, she should have said no. She still lives in MF, after all.

In 3×02, Carol put vervain in the coffee pot on impulse when she heard Tyler coming downstairs. When Tyler sipped it, he thought the awful taste was because of bad cream. Carol never drank the coffee. She was morning drinking like many characters on this show. She didn’t touch the coffee herself. Re-watching that scene is what made me wonder if she was still under Elijah’s compulsion.

Yeah, but was already holding the vervain. It would be weird if she thought her son was hanging with a vamp and might also be a vamp and yet she didn’t bother to put vervain in whatever she drank. I guess we can’t know for sure, but it’s weird that she wouldn’t be on it considering in the same episode Matt said Liz makes him spike the drinks at the Grill with vervain from time to time, and Carol would have had to approve something like that as Council leader.

Why is no one thinking of a way to contact Isobel? She has a PhD in this stuff and was under Klaus’ control for a good while. Now that they know a lot of supes are stuck in limbo, why don’t they try contacting her to ask her about Klaus?

That would involve the writers NOT taking the easy way out in terms of storytelling, so it can’t happen. It would also mean (though I’m sure they’d find a way around it) making Bonnie involved in the story enough that she would come up with this idea.

What are the chances that Klaus will actually turn out to be gay? Not subtext. I was trying to describe what is happening in the show now (no easy task) to someone I used to watch the show with. I couldn’t really explain Klaus without immediately thinking “gay”. Like when his father was inexplicably mad at him in the Ordinary People flashback or when he was super weird about Stefan/Rebekah in the 20s flashback or how he was weird about Stelena in the Reckoning or his obsession with Stefan in general or his loneliness that doesn’t really make sense in the Hybrid/vampire context or basically ANYTHING Klaus.

I feel like this show trolls me all day everyday. I am crazy. There is no disputing that but am I wrong in thinking that they keep throwing out clues that he is gay but pretending they aren’t doing so?

My friend basically said that this is the sort of thing they often do – they introduce pretty strong subtext or build up but then mostly abandon it or pretend they weren’t doing it all along.

Accidentally left this as a general comment instead of as a reply to your comment.

I feel like this show trolls me all day everyday. I am crazy. There is no disputing that but am I wrong in thinking that they keep throwing out clues that he is gay but pretending they aren’t doing so?

Not crazy. At least I don’t think so, but I doubt they will make it textual (or it would weird, in my opinion, if they made it textual after the “bromance” (really can’t stand that word) between him and Stefan disintegrated. Weird in the “why inform Stefan/Klaus in that way now instead of before?” sense.)

Plus they’re really bad at addressing subtext and are so heavy-handed with it sometimes, that I worry about how they would go about that storyline. Or if they would.

What would really be funny is if one of Klaus’ brothers is gay like Kathrin suggested below. It will be another example of all the build up of a story going to one character only for the story to end up with another character. Basically, what I described as a chopped up relay race in another comment section. I think I also wrote in another comment section that it seems like one writer will start an idea with one character and then another writer, who doesn’t give a damn what came before apparently, will move the idea to another character. It keeps happening over and over again so why not with this? I am afraid this sort of brilliance is too much for me. But hey, there might actually be a gay character in this season of “gay” storylines.

Anytime they have the male vampires feed on a male (the few times that they actually do), the feeding is always this extra fast, no lingering, situation as well. Like they don’t even want to focus too much on it. In comparison to say Katherine feeding on Stefan, Damon, Jeremy or Damon/Stefan/etc feeding off of woman.

I just watched the scene again and it goes on longer than most, but there’s a lot of jerking (don’t know why since Bill’s neck is pretty intact afterwards) and then Damon pushes him away. It lacks the sexual undercurrent of Katherine biting Stefan or Damon or of Damon biting Elena or the number of women we’ve seen Stefan, Damon, Klaus, or Tyler’s one on-screen kill, bite. His eyes don’t roll back though. When he goes back to bite him, Damon keeps him in place, but Caroline stops him before any lingering can occur.

I remember her saying this. I’m going to go check my tags because the interview was making it’s way around Tumblr a few months ago.

Now, I don’t mean to be THAT GUY, but The Vampire Diaries is kind of one of the gayest shows on television that doesn’t actually have a gay character. Like, where are the gay characters, Julie Plec? What’s going on?

Julie Plec: Well, you know, as Kevin said very clearly early on, “This show is really gay.” [Laughs.] It is beautifully, delightfully, wonderfully gay.

What Olu wrote. They were of course talking about hoyay and Klefan in particular. Smallville’s hoyay would put this show to shame. I mean I guess you can count Jeremy and Tyler from season 1, but….please. The only male characters who interact with each other on the regular are Stefan and Damon. Matt/Jeremy/Tyler don’t interact with each other even though Matt and Tyler are supposed to be friends.

Smallville’s hoyay was LEGENDARY. I guess, the older I get, the less tolerant of this stuff I get. FFS where are the gay characters in these so called gay storylines. Also, this show already glorified rape like crazy. There is only so much I can take. If they hadn’t basically said that *rape* is no big deal over (Katherine/Stefan) and over (Damon/Caroline) and over (Damon/Andie) again, I might be able to give them a break on the other stuff. How much gross and loathsome behavior/writing am I supposed to take? Plus, the story doesn’t make sense anyway. So they are gross *and* fail at storytelling.

The thing about Smallville (and I kinda hesitated to comment earlier because I barely remember the show) is that Clex gave me more of a Single White Female vibe. It was like Lex wanted to *be* Clark more than he wanted to *be with* Clark. There were things like when Lex imagined an alternate life in Smallville (Lexmas, I think??) and Clark is married off and he barely sees him. And he is married to Lana (again, I think??). And there were other eps with loving scenes where Clark’s dad told Lex he’s super proud of him and he’s a good person? With Klefan, on Klaus’ end, it does seem like lust/weird longing

Yeah, that was Lexmas. And Clark wasn’t married, only Lex was. But yeah, there was usually a sense that Lex wanted to be Clark or wanted what Clark had. Heck, I think he even said the latter at least once.

I hope that 1911 doesn’t contain any Stefan flashbacks. Because the show wasted the 20s flashbacks and quite frankly if they think we need another flashback to explain how Stefan has never been “good” then they 1) don’t realize how much they have failed as writers (because they keep pushing this idea) and 2) have failed to realize that ripping people’s bodies apart is a pretty good sign that Stefan is not a good person. Plus, Stefan has never been a particularly good person.

Anyway, I do not want that flashback episode to be about Stefan because the writers have already dealt with his past this season and it’s their fault they’ve squandered it. I’m not interested in seeing it again.

Maybe it will be an episode focused on women. Considering the show, this probably won’t happen, but one can dream.

I don’t understand, I just don’t get it. Whenever someone does an interview I don’t know what show they’re talking about.

I know what you mean. The writers are promoting the show as is, but also with the perspective they want us to have so nothing they say really makes sense. And the actors are doing some cross between 1) their head canons 2) the lies the writers have told them 3) their jobs as the stars of the show and bullshitting through the promotional work.

None of the things the actors say would be particularly bad if the writers weren’t constantly talking as well. Collectively it leaves us as viewers in a lurch because this show is not good and the writers won’t stop patting themselves on the back.

An actual tweet by one of the headwriters. I guess this explains the mixture of revulsion, pity and boredom I feel whenever I watch this show. Oh poor woobie. All I want to do is stab you about 37656 times – until your body is unrecognizable. Is that too much to ask? KW is telling me it is *Sigh* Also, loling at the PW interview. We are not going to see Klaus’ “good” side or wtvr?? Really? I thought we already did. “Good” by this show’s standards anyway. He lurves his family and is “lonely”. That was good enough for Damon. Why isn’t it good enough for Klaus?

I thought about brining this tweet over here. Ugh, Klaus is not evil. I mean what has he done now, KW? Kill someone else your characters will not care about? And this is them yet again telling us how to watch the show. I get this sense that they’re very impressed with themselves, and it’s off-putting.

Why do I still watch this show, when I see how the minds of the writers work?

I know. It’s like, I wish they were super secretive about the shooting and spoilers. And they only dropped hints like “lots of blood” and “oooh spooky” because at least then we’d be dealing with visuals and not with the writers’s actual interpretation of their work, which seems to be, “The fans are going to be amazed by our brilliance.”

Did you see the short interviews which were taken during the Ripple Effect event on saturday?

The asked Nina, Ian and Kat some questions about TVD.
Kat looked gorgeous and she spoke about shooting with Persia White and she sounded so nervous about it. Adorable. She is as excited as we are. Love it.
Seems like Jamie´s love interest status is not clear … or Kat didn´t want to mention it.
And she said that there would be cool stuff coming up for Caroline and Bonnie (don´t know if seperate or together). Poor Elena for being trapped in that ToD.

Nina only spoke about the best scene that she shot recently. A very emotional scene between Stefan and Elena. I think it will probably be a real breakup or something like that … so she can move on. But like you all said, I would buy this sl more, if it wasn´t for her looking at Damon as a new love interest.
I really want to know how they will handle the aspect of Damon and Elena together with her friends. Especially Bonnie, because Caroline already commented on it (and not in a good way). Perhaps we will see her reaction during that road trip? Don´t know what to think about that.
Btw at first she was asked a question about Delena and their hot scenes in the next episodes. But Nina didn´t want to talk about that because that wasn´t allowed or something like that. Do you think they only tease the fans with this or do you believe that it will really get go down to Elena and Damon having a romantic rl?

Ian also spoke about a favourite scene that hasn´t aired yet … and he spoke about him and three strong dudes (I think he said that) having a dinner.
That will probably be the scene about which JP failed (Salvatores in tuxedos) about. And I think it will consist of Damon, Stefan, Elijah and Klaus. That´s something I waited for all my life. /sarcasm ends
Or do you think they already shoot with these new brothers?
Somebody on another forum mentioned (I think it was only speculation) that he/she thought that one of the new borthers could be gay.

Ugh. I hope I won’t feel resentful when she comes on. She’s shot four episodes already, yet it seems Bonnie and Abby will be missing episode 14. I hope I can watch the show without seeing that they’re treating her differently because of her connection with Paul.

I’m starting to question if Jamie is going to be a love interest for Bonnie. JP’s comments bothered me in the TV Guide article “possible love interest for Bonnie”. Why do we know Mary is for sure a love interest for Alaric but Bonnie’s is possible, but than I thought I’m just being paranoid. Now Kat’s interview mixed in I don’t think it’s paranoia anymore. I feel a twisty twist with his character.

1)Abby has nothing to do with the Salvatores.
2)She’s turned her back on being a witch. That’s something I wasn’t expecting at all. Apparently Bonnie’s dad isn’t the only one with his head buried in the sand. But isn’t this something you want to surprise your audience with? Ugh, JP.
3)Bonnie/Jeremy will still be dealing with the ghost fiasco. Now don’t you guys go looking at me like that. Lol.
4)JP realizes that Bonnie needs solace. Especially now that Jeremy effed up.

The bad:

Bonnie will be helping hide the damn coffins. Ugh. I hope she doesn’t suggest the witch house. This also means she’ll be following freaking Stefan’s lead. Double ugh.

Bonnie will be helping hide the damn coffins. Ugh. I hope she doesn’t suggest the witch house. This also means she’ll be following freaking Stefan’s lead. Double ugh.

Either she is sired to Stefan because of the blood he gave her in season 1 and it shows its effects only now because of the right stellar constellation or she has a backup plan. And works against Stefan with the help of the witches. Yeh that will never happen.

What I don´t understand is that with these actions she would clearly bring danger to people that she loves and why would she trust Stefan but not Elena.
She is her best friend, She told her about the witchcraft even Grams didn´t want anybody to know.

Perhaps I worded that wrong … but wouldn´t she go immediately to Elena after she knows where Stefan is and what he is up to?
After what I read from the last JP interview Damon and Elena don´t know where Stefan is. Don´t think it would be Bonnie´s way to let Elena worry about Stefan if she knows where he is.

Perhaps Stefan has a good plan in regards to this coffins? Don´t know how, but the writers will find something for sure.
I don´t want Bonnie to blindly trust Stefan after what he has done … and what is with his Ripper-state- will this never be brought up again.

Urgh it´s frustrating I can´t really word my thoughts about that.
But perhaps one of the Originals is the catalyst for her searching/finding her mother and she would at least get something out of this.

Elena will probably already knows. It doesn’t say Bonnie is keeping the secret. I’d be surprised if they let her find out Stefan’s location before the others. They’ve never let Bonnie keep a secret from Elena. I don’t count the “might die if she fights Klaus” thing.

The possibility of Bonnie not saying a word about Stefan’s Ripper crap. Or worse, being “understanding,” enrages me.

“Tyler is in a very, very bad situation that almost has catastrophic consequences.”

Isn’t this a weird way to tease something? Wouldn’t you try to be as vague as possible and say something like “may have catastrophic consequences” to keep the suspense? Idk. JP is often very straightforward in these spoiler talks.

“It’s going to take him [Tyler] a while to earn his way back into the good graces of our heroes, his friends, and Caroline.”

Who are these heroes? The ToD? Please. And why should Tyler even want to get (back) in their good graces?

This reminds me of the second half of S2. You know, when Tyler left town for a couple of episodes and JP kept saying that Tyler would have to earn Caroline’s forgiveness or something like that. And then that was taken care of in one single conversation.

Yeah, in these teasers they reveal things they should really keep to themselves. It’s once again them shaping how we’re supposed to watch the show/the characters.

The better question is: who in that group cares about Tyler besides Caroline? They’ve been ignoring the Matt/Tyler friendship. Tyler seemed to shrug Matt off now that he had a new friend in Caroline, but two episodes later he was banging on his truck for the first day of school. Tyler’s only shared like two scenes with Elena, and he’s never had a one on one interaction with Bonnie. How are they going to get me to believe that Tyler would even care what these people think? He doesn’t interact with them! But you’re right, this is going to play out quicker than she’s making it seem. And don’t you just love the insinuation that it might be harder for Tyler to get back in the group than Stefan, the human taxidermist?

I think the heroes are basically all of the characters, minus “bad” ones like Klaus. We already knew we were watching this show wrong. Smh.

And don’t you just love the insinuation that it might be harder for Tyler to get back in the group than Stefan, the human taxidermist?

I noticed that, too, but I think once we get closer to the ending of the season she will say similar things with regard to Stefan. Of course, nothing will come out of it. Just as nothing will come out of it in Tyler’s case.

I’d like to ask the writers what they think makes Klaus bad/evil, especially in contrast to the Salvatores. Although I have to say I’m kind of glad that they consider him evil – for the simple reason that it means that he will be killed off at the end of the season. (But I’m afraid that they’ll kill him off in a way that will allow them to bring him back at one point.)

Can I just do a wtf with the Jeremy spoiler. I was so pleased with the Bonnie stuff,I didn’t process the Jeremy. Why is losing Anna the most devastating thing to happen to him? He knew her for what a month half the time he didn’t even like her. Fine whatever it’s her it’s always been her, but his aunt died and his uncle so why is the fact that this girl that he knew for a month that has been dead a year be so catastrophic. He’s been through so much but this is the thing. What happened to the “I still have you Elena” Jeremy. She’s been dead longer than he knew her. This should have been his season 2 story.

I wonder what Steven McQueen thinks about his s/l. He’s been wanting Jeremy to become a vampire hunter forever. I know in the summer he did a interview saying he hoped this ghost s/l would be one that would help Jeremy deal with death and learn to accept it and that death isn’t the end. Look what they have done, they sacrificed his character for a ship.

Probably. All Tyler has to do is break from Klaus. We don’t know how seriously he’s taking this new path, how dedicated he is to it. Well, JP has already spoiled that he’s going to be thinking about breaking from Klaus, essentially regretting his stance, so there you go. Ugh.

Like I said on tumblr, season 2 is not the time for the writers to be exploring their season 2 regrets. I won’t be able to believe it if they have Jeremy mourning Anna longer than he mourned Jenna. He didn’t even show much emotion at Jenna and UJ’s deaths. I really hope it’s the reporter putting her own interpretations on things due to the fact that she ships Jeremy/Anna.