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lol here come the saber nerds to sh1t all over the greats like joe carter, nolan ryan and don mattingly.

brilliant.

Joe Carter is **** compared to elite or HOF type players.

Mattingly was very good, but his carer was too short.

Ryan was a HOF no doubt, but has no claim to #1 of all time. He's buried by the truly great.

6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

For sure, I don't think Olerud ever got close to 30 hrs and probably only had a 100 Rbis a couple times. He could hit, get on base, and racked up the doubles. No slouch in the field either. I'll never forgt that '93 season.

Olerud had one of the sweetest, pure swings I've ever seen. If I were to teach someone how to swing, that's who I'd tell them to watch. Definitely one of the most under-rated Jays in history. Joe carter is on the opposite side, he was and still is one of the most over-rated Jays in history and players in history. Carter did hit the home run that won the team the world series so I'll always love the guy for that but his career OBP of .306 should tell you something. He was in the .800-.850 OPS range on world series teams that were absolutely stacked and that's all he could hack. Keep in mind, he was getting MVP votes in those days too. Imagine a guy putting up a .808 OPS and 2.2 WAR getting votes today? Carter played 16 years(2189 GP) and Olerud played 17 years (2234 GP). The difference?

Olerud-53.7 WAR
Carter-15.6 WAR

Carter got HOF votes. Astonishing. As an example, In 9 seasons Nick Swisher has put up a 17.9 WAR. For the love of god, people need to put the RBI "debate" to rest.

Edit: I'll also add that I'm 33 and been watching baseball longer than I can remember, and never once have I ever heard anyone claim that Nolan Ryan was the best pitcher ever, or even top 5.

Big deal? what about the other 800 games he pitched? On average he was a meh #2 SP. Never won a Cy or an MVP. His winning % was nothing special compared to his teams, meaning he was close to average. He's a HOF due to longevity, his rate stats outside of H/9, and K/9 are nothing special.

5k K's what about his 2700 something walks?

I'm 55 and have heard it dozens and dozens of times - in PSD alone - do a search.

6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

Randy Johnson will go down as the greatest pitcher of all time in my book. (Not accused of PEDs)

WAR may look at Maddux in favor but it's still really close. Johnson will go down as the greatest in my book.

Obviously, I am biased living in Phoenix and being a Dbacks homer. But Johnson for those first 5-6 years with the Dbacks was completely insane. I am 27 now, but when I was a kid during that time period, I completely took him for granted. I knew he was amazing, but I didnt really take the time to consider I may have been watching the best pitcher ever.

I love Maddux and Pedro as well. But Johnson, he was just so dominate and so over powering. Imagin, if he could of got his command issues fixed earlier in his career. Because he really came in and started to dominate later in his career, when you compare it to a lot of the other greats.