Hi guys...
I get sick of all the porns with the monster cocks in them, I'm partial to the average to smaller sized dicks...
Can anyone reccommend me some good movies where the guys are average to small in dick size? Or even some names of porn star guys who have average tools?
I'd appreciate it =)
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You have to understand that porn is just as much show business as is Hollywood. "Show" being the meaningful word.

Therefore porn makes more money representing something that's not the "norm" or average. Most people don't want to indulge themselves in something that they can experience in their own lives but rather they enjoy watching something above and beyond.

Rodney Moore once said that the "donkey dick" fad in porn would come and go. I disagreed with him and was right. It's here to stay and getting even more prevelant. Try flicks from the 80's through 90's. Back in those days there were just one or two "name brand" dicks of tremendous proportions.

Can anyone reccommend me some good movies where the guys are average to small in dick size? Or even some names of porn star guys who have average tools?

Pornchick,

Everything is relative and so is dick length and girth in porn. Generally speaking "relatively small dicks" in porn are videos without "interracial" or "black" in the title. The black guys generally need to have at least 10" to get in porn with I think 14" being the max (Mandingo, Jack Napier, Lex Steele). The white and Euro guys don't generally grow to 10" and can make it into porn with 7" with a good face and body (6" in porn nope don't think so; wouldn't even tickle the gaping girls after a few scenes with donkehota). These are just my observations from years of watching.

In the good old days, 70's and 80's the guys were better looking, had normal sized dicks - 6-8" and the sex was really erotic with guys going from soft to hard and women getting excited and drippy, glistening wet (hope you like hair though, you're going to see lots, hair was in then). Some Classics on DVD include "The Devil in Miss Jones" (1972), "Behind the Green Door" (1973), "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" (1975),"Barbara Broadcast" (1977), "Taboo II" (1982), "Too Naughty to Say No" (1984), and this year's Classic AVN award winner "Ginger Lynn: The Story".

In a similar vein, there is another thread in Porn Forum, "I want to see more romance in porn" you may want to peruse. The thread hasn't gotten to naming titles and names yet because its tough to describe what "romance" is for everyone (different for me than you), but the discussion is good and lets you know why porn is what it is today.

dicknjane wrote:In the good old days, 70's and 80's the guys were better looking, had normal sized dicks - 6-8" and the sex was really erotic with guys going from soft to hard and women getting excited and drippy, glistening wet (hope you like hair though, you're going to see lots, hair was in then). Some Classics on DVD include "The Devil in Miss Jones" (1972), "Behind the Green Door" (1973), "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" (1975),"Barbara Broadcast" (1977), "Taboo II" (1982), "Too Naughty to Say No" (1984), and this year's Classic AVN award winner "Ginger Lynn: The Story".

Let's see. Marc Stevens dick was featured prominently in The Devil In Miss Jones . His nickname was Mr. 10 1/2. Care to guess why. Behind The Green Door had Johnny Keys. He was about 9 inches himself. I guess that's small for a black man. The truth is that there are a lot of average sized black men in porn with very few topping 10 inches. And there very attractive men in porn in any color. Granted there aren't many guys on the low side of average in the industry but the reason anybody gets steady work is reliability. Get it up, keep it up, cum on command. Size is an advantage because it looks better and also allows for more open shots of penetration. There are plenty of guys with fairly average sized dicks unless you think that 5 inches is average. If that's the case, you should get out more.

i'm sure everything you wrote was exactly correct or you wouldn't have written it. but, i don't really see how your post in any way changed or negated my post or helped give porn chick any additional information in response to her request so what's the point? this post doesn't help porn chick either my apologies ... a male reflex.

PornChick85 wrote:Can anyone reccommend me some good movies where the guys are average to small in dick size? Or even some names of porn star guys who have average tools?

Hmmm... Good movies is the tricky part of the question. Guys with rather smallish members are Randy West, Ed Powers and Max "Hardcore" Steiner. Then it all comes down to if you would like any of their flicks. I quite like some of Randy West´s 'Up and Cummers' series - I prefer him any time over Ed Powers. I also used to like Max Steiners early work, but nowadays he´s just repeating himself.

Randy West was a big star in the 1980's and early 90's, but I don't know if he's ever featured in any "normal" porn productions in later years.

One other rather normal-sized guy is Christophe Clarke - the french director/woodsman who did the 'Euro Angels' and 'Euro Angels Hardball' series for Evil Angel. Some of the european talent that he uses have smallish dicks.

Pierre Woodman, director/sometimes woodsman for Private and Hustler, is not large...

When for example the guy who is doing normally the light or camera work gets a bj from the actress you'll see 5-6"...linkI remember Dr. Phil Good getting a BJ from Shayna Knight while he is fingering her and brings her to squirt.He also gets a Bj from Ashley Long and he is normally the guy for the light in the movie, but he has the ability to make the girls squirt, so he gets a reward like in no of the other 10-12 episodes.

There are also series featuring strangers getting bj's on the street. It's a German series called "Pimmel Bingo" from Magma, I think. I've seen only one part, it's not my type, 50% can't cum, because they are not performers and it's done with a condom. And it's outside somewhere in back alleys so it's cold and dick is shorter than normally.

When you type the fetish "small dicks" in search extreme you get only few movies and the males are uncredited.

Maybe the chances are high in bukkake movies where masses of volunteers are needed...

Kami wrote:pesonally I prefer good performers no matter what the dick size is!

dicknjane agree!!!

pornchick you may want to search your porn providers website for AVN award winners, they tend to focus not on "size" but on the sexual heat and chemistry. the features spend a lot of energy on the stories while the gonzo winners focus on the passion and sex. some you may want to try:

A handsome newcomer to the business, with a sexy British accent, and a good performer, with an average sized cock is Marcus London. i think he used to go under Mason. So, you may want to check out some of the movies he's been in.

Jewel, hey now would you take it easy here? I didn't feel penis challenged until you listed Michael Stefano and Jules Jordan as average ? Jane has been kind and pretending I'm hurting her and everything was going just fine and then you had to do this. Ohhh wee is me ... where is that plastic surgeon's card anyway?

Average really is relative, depending on what you consider as "average." Penises come (pardon the pun) in all different shapes and sizes, so I'm having difficulty trying to figure what you mean as "average." It's just like saying girls with "average" breasts, whatever that means.

I didn't feel penis challenged until you listed Michael Stefano and Jules Jordan as average?

Actually, I always thought Jules was rather small. But then again, that goes back to whatever you consider "average." Depending on relative definitions of average, even the smallest dick in porn might be bigger than what someone considers "average."

Kat wrote:A handsome newcomer to the business, with a sexy British accent, and a good performer, with an average sized cock is Marcus London. i think he used to go under Mason. So, you may want to check out some of the movies he's been in.

Yeah, but I think "average" when it comes to girls is (and rightfully so?) based on their body size - height, weight proportions. Whereas you'd think that a girl who is 5-4" and 200#, we she should have tits, right?

The same can't be said for men. Just because you're 7-0" tall doesn't mean you have a 15" cock...and just because you're only 5-6" doesn't mean you only have a 5" cock. I think "average" is based more on the collective number.

With all due respect to Jules size (well, that which I've seen in his movies), he's relatively short in height...so one can only imagine he's not as small as you think he is.

For some reason, I wouldn't consider "average in porn" much different than "average" as a whole. Maybe 7-9" as an actual number (not that I really give a shit)?

~E

realtip wrote:Average really is relative, depending on what you consider as "average." Penises come (pardon the pun) in all different shapes and sizes, so I'm having difficulty trying to figure what you mean as "average." It's just like saying girls with "average" breasts, whatever that means.

Actually, I always thought Jules was rather small. But then again, that goes back to whatever you consider "average." Depending on relative definitions of average, even the smallest dick in porn might be bigger than what someone considers "average."

I didn't feel penis challenged until you listed Michael Stefano and Jules Jordan as average?

Actually, I always thought Jules was rather small. But then again, that goes back to whatever you consider "average." Depending on relative definitions of average, even the smallest dick in porn might be bigger than what someone considers "average."

realtip, i have no clue who you are, but you really know how to hurt a guy. you must have a gigantic dick 12" at least and you make my 7" look small and i am ashamed of it and embarassed to admit that's all i can muster. what do you think about the rest of the porn fans out there who are more penis impaired and less confident than i am? please tell them what you think of them.

realtip, i have no clue who you are, but you really know how to hurt a guy. you must have a gigantic dick 12" at least and you make my 7" look small and i am ashamed of it and embarassed to admit that's all i can muster. what do you think about the rest of the porn fans out there who are more penis impaired and less confident than i am? please tell them what you think of them.

realtip wrote:Average really is relative, depending on what you consider as "average." Penises come (pardon the pun) in all different shapes and sizes, so I'm having difficulty trying to figure what you mean as "average." It's just like saying girls with "average" breasts, whatever that means.

Actually, I always thought Jules was rather small. But then again, that goes back to whatever you consider "average." Depending on relative definitions of average, even the smallest dick in porn might be bigger than what someone considers "average."

Realtip, you have just said you think Jules was rather small (maybe "the smallest dick in porn" eh). Really who are you???

dicknjane, when I wrote that "even the smallest dick in porn might be bigger than what someone considers average,'" I wasn't speaking specifically about Jules being the smallest in porn, as I am sure there are others smaller than him. I was just saying it to make a point about "average" being relative. Perhaps I should have been more clear and said that Jules "looks" rather small.

The average for male penis size (non-porn) is 5 to 7 inches. That's non-racial. Racially it goes like this:

Asian 3 to 4Caucasian 5 to 7African American 7 to 8.

It's something to that effect.

As for smaller guys in porn... umm... Well, I mean, there are a lot of above average guys, but not a ton of what you would call monster cocks... I would have to say that 7 to 8 inches is pretty close to average. I would say that if you want more average sized males go for older movies. The Opening of Misty Beethoven, which is a great film, has more average looking guys, and average looking dicks. Although if the idea of a guy taking it from a strap on scares ya, you might want to skip one of the later scenes.

i'm sure everything you wrote was exactly correct or you wouldn't have written it. but, i don't really see how your post in any way changed or negated my post or helped give porn chick any additional information in response to her request so what's the point? this post doesn't help porn chick either my apologies ... a male reflex.

I was just trying to point out that the videos you were pointing at for "average" penis size contain major players who were anything bur average, then or now. I also made the point that many performers today aren't overly hung freaks, even if I didn't use that terminology. But just as a for instance, Barret Blade and Van Damage aren't overly blessed in length, although they do have girth. There are plenty of guys in the seven inch range. And maybe the most important thing is what PornChick85 considers average or large.

AztecGold11 said:John Holmes was reported as a high of 12" to a low of 10" and ugly as sin.

Holmes was touted as 14" most of the time. Most people don't believe he was even close to that but they're usually judging by his later drug addled performances when getting wood was a major accomplishment. I can tell you that early in his career it looked like he had a third leg. And consider that he was also a lot taller than most of the heavily hung stars of today. He was ugly though. I'll give you that.Maybe PornChick85 should chime in on what she's seen that appeals to her and give people more context for suggestion.

Two newly weds get into bed on their wedding night. They've never had sex before, and she's really shy.

After a bit of thought, the husband comes up with a brilliant idea to save her any embarrassment when she's feeling frisky. "Look," he says, "you don't have to say if you want to have sex. Do this instead. If you want sex, pull my penis once. If you don't want sex, pull it a hundred times."

now we're talkin' and you guys with "hard data" have restored my confidence that i am indeed not penis challenged. now a question i have always had in this regard is how did Kinsey get these 150 dicks all equally hard. sometimes i notice my own dick being soft and tiny particularly when its freezing cold outside and then there are many degrees of hard/long/fat cock from that point to max erection. i'm assuming there was a standard method used in each measurement .... did Kinsey have guys perform self-erection or did he/she use some little scantily clad, hottie fluffer assistant??? it seems to me the results could vary depending on the fluffing method and audience present during the fluffery.

pornchick is so interested in our debate here that after intializing this thread she went off to fuck somebody and hasn't returned yet. obviously she has better things to do than the rest of us who have allowed this thread to digress into an academic study of average penile length's around the world in the 20th century which ,of course, i find fascinating.

As everbody knows girth & technique is the key...when you listen to female performers they say that they don't prefer longer ones..or most girls who worked with Mandingo boys are not willing to do that again.

I always wanted to watch Kinsey, but doubt they show such things in a Hollywood movie.

You should watch films with Colt Steele. His dick is definitely at the lower end of the tape measure. It's very average or possibly a bit below average in size (girth and length).

I don't think that most male pornstars are "hung". They are either very average, a little below average, or a bit above average. It seems that the boys who sport the longer schlongs have little girth. A long, skinny cock fucking a hot chick?I'd rather see a shorter fat dick pumping a pussy. Anyways, Lex Steele is long, but he lacks girth.

You should watch films with Colt Steele. His dick is definitely at the lower end of the tape measure. It's very average or possibly a bit below average in size (girth and length).

This is true, but Colt has the physical appearance to compensate for his lack of size. If a guy is not well endowed, he can usually only make it into porn if he either looks good, knows somebody in the industry, or starts his own product (and the latter two seem to be how most guys are getting into it nowadays).

realtip wrote:I haven't seen the movie, though I have heard mixed reviews about it. But from what I know about the actual Alfred Kinsey, he always seemed to me like a pervert masquerading as an academic.

I agree. Colt Steele is a big man. His build has indeed been a plus for him. But I don't watch his films. His dick is too little. A man's appearance is not important to me unless the man is REALLY UGLY ( such as Ron Jeremy). The only trait I'm looking for in the stud is his dick size/big cock confidance. The rest is focused on the women (big tits, blonde, curvy, etc).

I like to watch big-dicked men who know they are hung fucking hot pussy. I know men who would agree with me.

Think about it: what is the main physical attribute of the stud that is discussed among straight men? Some men talk about a stud having a "big build", but it's usually the stud's dick/dick size which grabs their attention. The rest is focused on the women's beauty.

Straight men want to see big dicks, not bodybuilders with pretty eyes and dudes with sixpack abs. Men don't object to handsome men in straight porn, but it's not imperative.

Anyways, I don't think most male pornstars are well-hung, but everyone has a different idea of a what a big dick is.

I maintain simple preferences for the dicks relied upon, to vicariously perform, with the female subjects, in light of my unfortunate absence. In order of importance: 1. Load Volume2. Wood (Shear strength)

Amateur stand-in dicks simply dont get the daily, weekly, or monthly, opportunities porn star dick gets, and as a result, becomes the first and formost factor of relevance.

From my perspective, its the most obvious difference, and leading factor, why IMO, mainstream porn is so incredibly monotanous, repetitive, and boring. Guaranteed, you can always spot the amateur invitee's, so damn appreciative, just to have a shot in the gangbang that thay fuck like its the only pussy they've had, and are gonna have, all year. This amateur element, is consistent to nearly all John Thompson's GGG movies.

As for the size, again, its all relative to the degree of incentive. The smaller dudes are usually the most ambitious, incentive driven horndogs around. When given the opportunity, their gonna claw for position, to get that dick, however puny, into, or in range of the target point of interest, even if they end up, losin their nut along the way.Seems to me, some of the best cumshots have occurred unexpectedly, when the dude just starts losing it, and when she realizes it, the girl quickly leans over to graciously let him nut in her mouth, for an oral creampie.

Hell, I really can't recall the last pro shot, in any mainstream flick, that remotely compares to one of those squirrely mouthpie jobs, and an accidental one to boot!

The wad size again, typically falls squarely in line with frequency/opportunity, and while theres always gonna be the camera shy limp dicks, some of the most ambitious fuckers out there, are those little smokie desperados, who end up managing to nut, out the end of somthing that looks like a sleeve.

IMO,wherever and however, size correlates to this dynamic, is where it belongs.

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Yeah, but you have to realize, Jeremy started in the late 70's when he was in his early 20's. And if you saw pictures of the man "then, you might have a different opinion. He also did almost 2000 films, so even the "80's male porn talent" syndrome that one could excuse can't be that bad. He's no kid, either...Ron almost 53 years old according to IAFD.

Personally, I don't like to look at any dick - big or small. It just happens during the shock of some dude who yields a 9x6" hamhock is nailing the piss out of a lil' chicky that is all of 5'2" and 100#...you just can't help but be in awe.

Although, I do agree with Loopy that load volume is important. A hot porn scene isn't worth a damn if you (as a male) can't express yourself thru plastering the girls face or tonsils (not both, too thin of distribution) w/ sack spew.

~E

Icetrance28 wrote:A man's appearance is not important to me unless the man is REALLY UGLY ( such as Ron Jeremy). The only trait I'm looking for in the stud is his dick size/big cock confidance. The rest is focused on the women (big tits, blonde, curvy, etc).

I like to watch big-dicked men who know they are hung fucking hot pussy. I know men who would agree with me.

Think about it: what is the main physical attribute of the stud that is discussed among straight men? Some men talk about a stud having a "big build", but it's usually the stud's dick/dick size which grabs their attention. The rest is focused on the women's beauty.

Straight men want to see big dicks, not bodybuilders with pretty eyes and dudes with sixpack abs. Men don't object to handsome men in straight porn, but it's not imperative.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this one. I don't know too many straight men who engage in conversations on dick size. It would actually be funny if we did. I'm going to a Big Game party not too long from now, and I could only imagine if, in the middle of watching the Steelers topple the Seahawks, one of the guys starts talking about how big his dick is. Talk about awkward! I think that's more of a topic that's discussed more among women and gay men.

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I'd think that gent would be either 1) a little too comfortable with himself, or 2) pretty goddam sauced!! :)

~E

realtip wrote:...and I could only imagine if, in the middle of watching the Steelers topple the Seahawks, one of the guys starts talking about how big his dick is. Talk about awkward! I think that's more of a topic that's discussed more among women and gay men.

When men discuss porn, they always bring up the size of the studs' dicks. I know that first hand after living in a dormitory.

To make my point even clearer:

My dad said in his day (seventies), all the men were buying pornos featuring John Holmes. Men would ramble on and on about his big dick. My old man never watched porn and just listened to all of his work buddies talk about pornstars' dick sizes. Believe me--my old man and his buddies were anything but gay.

No, I don't think most people would discuss dick size while watching a sport event. I never said that Realtip.

Besides, some men never discuss dick size because they are not well-hung. They don't like to be reminded of it. Let's face it, most men are not well-hung. Period.

Why would any straight man be in awe of a small or average size dick Eric381? However, most straight men are fascinated by big dicks. Why? Most straight men desire to have a big dick. All the "grow your dick" infomercials??? Ring a bell??.

Also, I've noticed that sometimes very well-hung men like to show other men how big their dick is. It has nothing to do with being gay, but rather to exhibit a "masculinity differential" (I got a big dick and you don't).

This is all common sense. This is nothing to do with being gay. Now, interest in gangbangs or pornos featuring double penetration or double vaginal/anal scenes may show a "slight" gay inclination (that could be debated). LOL!!!! But, comparing dick size and enjoying a hung man fuck hot women is not gay.

What is straight porn anyways? just pussy? no, it's pussy and dick. Most sraight men watch straight porn, not exclusively lesbian porn.

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Did you go to an all boy's school or something?

Man, the ONLY time I can think of actually discussing some third party's schvonce with another guy is when I was about 16y/o watching "Flappers" with a friend. We were in that "sneak porn" mode of our young lives. I don't know who the male talent was, but he was nailing Marilyn Martin in her first scene during that flick. That, of course, was back when porn was FAR from what it is today...and yes, the dude was hung.

To each their own man, but I personally can't say I've discussed pecker size with other guys, lol.

I'd call flaunting one's length/girth to other guys "very gay". That is far from a confidence issue, that is plain fruity my friend, and I think many will agree with me. I don't think that's quite what Freud had in mind when he spoke of "Penis Envy". If I was worried about flaunting my masculinity in front of other men, I'd be bragging about/showing off my chest or arm girth / muscularity. If I was showing my pecker to them? I'd be inclined to say that dude is looking for their affection, not their envy.

So to clarify what the point I'm trying to make. You're saying that if a male runs around showing other guys his tool, he's not gay...but rather showing his "masculine differential"? But if the guy he's showing it to says, "Hey, nice cock!"...that guy is queer? WOW...

It's clearly obvious your definition of what defines "gay" or intentions thereof are a little clouded. Double penetration in any degree doesn't infer that the aggressor's are queer at all, but rather necessary to fulfill the desire of plugging their target's adjacent orifices. You don't see the rubbing each other's balls, or inserting the other's cock into the female's orafice, do you? THAT, would be gay. Quite frankly, I think it's thrilling to see two dude's alternating thrusts into a willing girls asshole & pussy at the same time, esp. if SHE IS enjoying it - which is my whole motive for watching porn.

~E

Icetrance28 wrote:When men discuss porn, they always bring up the size of the studs' dicks. I know that first hand after living in a dormitory.

To make my point even clearer:

My dad said in his day (seventies), all the men were buying pornos featuring John Holmes. Men would ramble on and on about his big dick. My old man never watched porn and just listened to all of his work buddies talk about porn+stars' dick sizes. Believe me--my old man and his buddies were anything but gay.

Also, I've noticed that sometimes very well-hung men like to show other men how big their dick is. It has nothing to do with being gay, but rather to exhibit a "masculinity differential" (I got a big dick and you don't).

This is all common sense. This is nothing to do with being gay. Now, interest in gangbangs or pornos featuring double penetration or double vaginal/anal scenes may show a "slight" gay inclination (that could be debated). LOL!!!! But, comparing dick size and enjoying a hung man fuck hot women is not gay.

What is straight porn anyways? just pussy? no, it's pussy and dick. Most straight men watch straight porn, not exclusively lesbian porn.

No, I didn't go to all boys school. Just life experiences that most men have. I'm not going to argue with you about if men look at other dicks to compare/observe. We all know that answer. Been to the military? been in the locker room?been in a bar? ever been around men? men never curious to see those "monster dicks" in pornos or to see the hung dude in playgirl all the women are discussing. Men never discuss dick size with other men? Maybe you never have, but many men have done so. It's not gay to admire other mens' muscles, but it's gay if you compare/admire at another man's dick. I have worked out, but I don't give a shit if other men have muscles or not. I could give a rat's ass. Most any healthy man can grow some muscles, but not all men can grow a big, fat dick.

If I man wants to know how big my dick, I'll show him. No, I'm not going into a private little room with him and say, "here is it, my sweetheart". But, I'd show a picture of it to him if he didn't believe that my dick was big, or if he's at a urinal and I'm as well, I'd say, "Can you compare to this?". Big dick contest...bring it on! It doesn't mean I want to fuck him. The point of comparing dick size is to feel superiour, not to be able to jump into bed with another man. Where are coming up with this shit? Some man flaunt their dicks in locker rooms all the time. Some hung men whip it out at a urinal for all to see. Flaunting a big dick is a natural way of "feeling superiour" for some straight men.

Did you ever watch "Boogie Nights"? One of the men in the film asks, "Let's see it man". Dick Diggler pulls out his dick, and the man comments, "very nice" (something to that effect). I guess that was a very "gay" thing to do on the asker's behalf.

Most men I know are gay, even though they've never fucked a man. They do talk about pussy a lot as well for being gay.

A new gay man has been born. The one compares his dick to other dicks, brags about his big dick, is willing to show his big dick to other men and LOVES to plow a sweet pussy with his big dick (or titty fucking...that's nice, too).

My guess is the lengths stated here are out of proportion. The length from your elbow to your wrist is about give or take 12". Porno guys aren't that big. John Holmes when he could get it up maybe (his dick looked like an arm in some movies). You never see porno guys holding up a ruler. My guess is they are 7-9", which is a little big. Then there is an extreme closeup distorting your perspective.