Re: ATS-V wishlist??

I really want this vehicle to be a success, but not necessarily from a sales perspective. More of a brand building angle. We all know Cadillac is on a roll now, especially with last month's sales figures in:

Re: ATS-V wishlist??

Sell these cars knowing GM will lose money on each and every one of them for the sake of brand building, industry publicity, and media accolades?

I wish the engineers for this vehicle put their all in this with no regard of pecking order or bean-counting.

GM doesn't need to take a loss with Cadillac. The secret to luxury vehicles is that they don't cost that much more to make than entry level vehicles but you can charge exorbitant prices for them. Their 100 million dollar profit margin is heavily influenced by Cadillac's 200K annual sales, as small as that volume that may be.

For lesser accumulation of dust, absolutely. I'm looking for a great pedal feel, and no worries about eventual deterioration. I know it's a fairly cheap upgrade... Hopefully UUC will have something available.

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Originally Posted by bruff1977

For lesser accumulation of dust, absolutely. I'm looking for a great pedal feel, and no worries about eventual deterioration. I know it's a fairly cheap upgrade... Hopefully UUC will have something available.

Pardon my ignorance, but since my ATS has Brembo brakes, does that mean they designed the entire braking system on the ATS, or just the pads?

Re: ATS-V wishlist??

Originally Posted by bruff1977

Brembo hopefully is all around for the ATS-V, six pot in front, four in the back... With the SS lines.

that would equal the CTS-V and would rip your face off, as awesome as that would be, I think a slight rotor size bump or ventilated in front and an upgrade to a 2 pot Brembo in back instead of the single pot floating would be fine. the 4 pots we have now are really awesome already

Re: ATS-V wishlist??

Originally Posted by pissedoffwookiee

that would equal the CTS-V and would rip your face off, as awesome as that would be, I think a slight rotor size bump or ventilated in front and an upgrade to a 2 pot Brembo in back instead of the single pot floating would be fine. the 4 pots we have now are really awesome already

No. Save words like 'fine' for the regular ATS. The V should have fantastic braking that you can repeat over and over again. 14" ventilated 2-piece rotors, 6potF/4PotR... Instead of matching the M3, continually playing catch up, set the bar.

No. Save words like 'fine' for the regular ATS. The V should have fantastic braking that you can repeat over and over again. 14" ventilated 2-piece rotors, 6potF/4PotR... Instead of matching the M3, continually playing catch up, set the bar.

Right, the ATS-V should be very special and exceed the M3. That's why some of us are lobbying for the proven performance of the American V8. The TTV6 is fine for the XTS and variations of the standard CTS and ATS.

Re: ATS-V wishlist??

Originally Posted by JFJr

Right, the ATS-V should be very special and exceed the M3. That's why some of us are lobbying for the proven performance of the American V8. The TTV6 is fine for the XTS and variations of the standard CTS and ATS.

Jud

I actually agree. I wont cross shop any cars if the V comes with the LT1 or LS7(LT7?) and a 6 speed manual or DCT and RWD and 2 doors. It would be the Cadillac Ive been dreaming about since the 1st gen CTS came out. With a TTV6 and only 4 doors, Ill crossshop the M3/4. People keep saying that BMW is moving forward with the times by turbocharging and going to smaller displacement. Thats one way of looking at it. The other way is that BMW is going back to their bread and butter, an I6 and updating it with turbos, which is akin to the LT1 (GM's bread and butter with modern updates. The ATS is going to need 450, there is no doubt about that. The LT1 is allready at that level, and it should be less then 50 lbs heavier then the LF3, if that much at all, and it will have a lower center of gravity. I have no doubt, tho, that the LF3 in the ATS-V will make 450 hp. It will get its ass handed to it, with 420. It seems Cadillac knows how important the product is, now, versus the old way of building based on cost. I really hope they deliver the goods with this car.

For arguments sake, the 328i is faster then the ATS 2.0T in a straight line, with less advertised hp. They dyno about the same, but the 328i is still faster. BMW consistently makes better use of its power, it seems.

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Originally Posted by mikesul

ATS-Sport should have the TTV6, while the ATS-V should have a V8. Simple, huh!

Yes, exactly. Actually, I think the TTV6 should replace the LFX entirely. A low hp TTV6 is needed to compete with the 335i, which is much faster then the 3.6L. The ATS is so close to being a great car, but the drivetrains need a little more work.