Bootsie wrote:make it the following weekend. theres this tourney going on in sequoyah thats one of the longest running around. serioulsy if you want to have a better field. like having more outsiders not regulars.

Sorry, I am unaware of any tournament going on that day anywhere else in the state. What tournament are you talking about? Since it isn't listed in Sanctioned or Unsanctioned tournaments, I assumed the date was clear.

Wait! The 4th? I can't make that because I'll be roasting a pig and having a cookout with my neighbors. Then we'll shoot off fireworks and celebrate our fine country's independence. Can you considr moving this to December 25th? i don't think anything is going on that time of year.

grease wrote:Wait! The 4th? I can't make that because I'll be roasting a pig and having a cookout with my neighbors. Then we'll shoot off fireworks and celebrate our fine country's independence. Can you considr moving this to December 25th? i don't think anything is going on that time of year.

Anyhow, the course is getting its ritual facelift. The bulk of the work will probably be cleaning up and extending hole 7 to make it a true par 4. Right now it's just a tweener and doesn't quite represent the original idea. I've already trimmed down sweetgums on the left side/early.

Also I've been painting some new signs. Plan to get those out and up by next weekend.

You should only have 2 divisions: Open and Am....no Int and Advanced bc if I recall this past summer the 4th place INT would have gotten 3rd in Advanced and the INT winner 2nd by only a stroke....It would make it a lot more fun I think....But count me in regardless

My problem with that is that there is such a difference between the top of am and the bottom of am. I like three divisions better, doing away with Intermediate. I'm really not up for changing too much, as we've done it this way for 9 other tournaments...

Rnance7 wrote:You should only have 2 divisions: Open and Am....no Int and Advanced bc if I recall this past summer the 4th place INT would have gotten 3rd in Advanced and the INT winner 2nd by only a stroke....It would make it a lot more fun I think....But count me in regardless

The way to curtail this is by making the pay-in and thus pay out low enough that it is not worth bagging.

Living in the United States where the hottest European import is Plutocracy...

If you were to look between am and pro, it worked out perfectly, but as said above, the problem came with our winners and top few places in Intermediate. What I'd like to do is open a division similar to rec and do away with intermediate. The highest intermediate score is 6 strokes worse than the highest advanced score. Usually some folks come that would've scored higher than those----and they'd belong in said made up division.

Rnance7 wrote:You should only have 2 divisions: Open and Am....no Int and Advanced bc if I recall this past summer the 4th place INT would have gotten 3rd in Advanced and the INT winner 2nd by only a stroke....It would make it a lot more fun I think....But count me in regardless

And I REALLY don't like the part where everyone plays for cash. To me, being an am means no cash. Besides, I've got Grease, who's been to as many Monty tournaments as I have. I can't just cut him out on all that sugar!

I love grease and I understand what your saying Luke. The Monty is a different tourney though and a different approach would suite well. I think all cash is a good idea and I'd bet that you'd have a record turn out. . That being said I'd cap the am teams at 960 for either player ( no rating = 960 default) and the buy-in would have a large gap between them. Say 20 each for ams and 50 each for pros. With all the side to boot.

I would think you will not have the turn out you think if everyone is playing for cash unless there is a scoring handicap. You might have more Open players but I doubt you would get as many Am's as you have had in the past.

Not every competition has to be about money. I know it's not a big deal to anyone else but I am not driving 8 hours to donate my money to someone else. I can find a course up here in NC and do that. Most folks already throw in cash for all the CTP's and that's a pretty good donation to the cause right there.

Clunck wrote:And it's the Monty and I'm in for whatever Luke decides. I love having a beer with my drive. And putt. And shule shot. And hell, even my mid-range.

By having a beer with his drive, Clunck clearly means that once he drives to my house, he will have a beer there, since it is a city park, and since alcohol ist verboten. Also, the party is at my house, where alcohol ist verboten nicht.

Wookie wrote:Not every competition has to be about money. I know it's not a big deal to anyone else but I am not driving 8 hours to donate my money to someone else. I can find a course up here in NC and do that. Most folks already throw in cash for all the CTP's and that's a pretty good donation to the cause right there.

What exactly do you call competition? Just about every tourney plays the same. Your argument is WEAK SAUCE! Why not contuine the Monty in a different path?

Wookie wrote:Not every competition has to be about money. I know it's not a big deal to anyone else but I am not driving 8 hours to donate my money to someone else. I can find a course up here in NC and do that. Most folks already throw in cash for all the CTP's and that's a pretty good donation to the cause right there.

What exactly do you call competition? Just about every tourney plays the same. Your argument is WEAK SAUCE! Why not contuine the Monty in a different path?

I don't understand your question. You can compete at anything, I am talking about the prize for winning said competition doesn't always have to be about money. Why does the different path always have to be slanted so that the Open players are taking money away from the AM's? The only folks that have changed it that I know of is the folks at ERP and how they do their singles on Mondays with a handicap. Maybe every AM player doesn't aspire to be a Pro and just enjoys going out and competing against players of their same skill level.

I am just making statements about the idea and attendance, not against you personally. You have enough skills on the course that the only way to make it fair is to make you throw left handed. But I am sure you have been practicing that too.

I really like those division names. I also like three divisions. What I didn't like in recent tournaments is the intermediate group not playing up more, like most others do at the Monty. Advanced teams seemed to be about right. Intermediate---well, just look at my post above. They don't know the unwritten unsanctioned "rule" about playing up.

What if the third division had a ratings cap? Or some similar way of rating the players? Max of 3 tournaments played? Sumpthin'.

Luke - just make the buy-in for intermediate 10 bucks. Less incentive to bag and those true intermediates there for the experience and ctps can still have a good time. That's the only true way to get folks to move up. And, you do have to play bagger police...

Living in the United States where the hottest European import is Plutocracy...

yep. My point was that the way things worked out in that one was opposite the way they didn't work out in the most recent one. In other words, I don't think there's too much of a trend where teams should've moved up.

luke wrote:yep. My point was that the way things worked out in that one was opposite the way they didn't work out in the most recent one. In other words, I don't think there's too much of a trend where teams should've moved up.

391'. It's a tweener, and I don't like the length at all. I want to do away with the current teepad and make the long one about 100' longer (using the downhill distance behind the teepad) and make a short teepad that is reachable by many.

I might not be able to make it after all. I have to be picky with the Saturdays I take off, and February is filling up with good tournaments. Hopefully I can still make it happen. Unsanctioned events should be on Sundays!!!

Funky Bobby J wrote:Dollar's idea is a cool one, but Luke's action is fun and solid. Let's not go messing up a good thing. It is fun letting ams play for cash sometimes. Keep doing what you are doing Luke - its all good.

Funky Bobby J wrote:Dollar's idea is a cool one, but Luke's action is fun and solid. Let's not go messing up a good thing. It is fun letting ams play for cash sometimes. Keep doing what you are doing Luke - its all good.

Because the tourny is the day of my nieces wedding I will offeran extra $25 to the Ace Fund. The only person not eligible forthat money is Chappy, donate it to the course if he hits anothertree that directs his disc into the basket.

Tryin' to sing a familiar tune,
Howlin' the words under a bloodshot moon

Some guys are coming down on Sunday and we're going to do a little work on the course. Afterward we will golf. I plan to set up the holes that aren't in the current layout. We'd love to have your help---golfers' input is valuable to me. We hope to clean up on holes 4, 6, 7, 9, walkway to 11, walkway to 12, 13, 14, 16. This sounds like a lot, but some holes have nothing more than logs that need moving.

Big thanks to JK, Steve "Shiv" Brown, and Wade Selph for their Selphless donation of time and work today. Because of them, hole 7 has a new short pad, not to mention that it's wider on both sides of the fairway. We also created a new pad location for hole 9---and a new temp pin position. We widened and lengthened that fairway, making it straight. And we got measurements on all holes for the tournament.

I don't think anyone's noticed, but we've now got more teams signed up than have ever come to the Monty Dubs. Usually, if you go by early online signup, 3 or so more teams come than are listed. This is great news. I think I course record is 54 people, set at Monty Dubs IX.

All hole information is complete under the Monty Thread and on Facebook under Monty Dubs X---Event. This is the way we will play it. All holes on the course are not set up in the tournament layout yet.

Folks, ignore the smoke and mirrors of other tournaments and do yourself a favor- PLAY MONTY DUBS! This tourney should be stickied since non-sanctioned tournaments and info threads are. Just saying. Either way, play the best tourney of the year and have a great time! Awesome course and vibe! You'll be sorry if you miss it!

grease wrote:Folks, ignore the smoke and mirrors of other tournaments and do yourself a favor- PLAY MONTY DUBS! This tourney should be stickied since non-sanctioned tournaments and info threads are. Just saying. Either way, play the best tourney of the year and have a great time! Awesome course and vibe! You'll be sorry if you miss it!

The non-sanctioned stickied thread is the ADGO Event which is the only non-sanctioned Event which is always stickied as it is an ADGO Event.And the info thread covers 6 PDGA Sanctioned Events over a 6 month period.

Stop with your smoke and mirrors conspiracy theories Mr. Campbell.

The Monty gets plenty of action and plenty of chatter with no issues where it is since Luke knows how to keep the mutliple threads on it alive year round.

Tomorrow (Sunday 1/28) is a workday at the Monty. There'll be six or so of us out there improving the course. I'll have baskets set up on 17 long, 18 open, and 19 open (the par 5 1031' hole with three obs!) Come on out, throw a stick or seven off the fairway, and play a round on the tournament layout. 10 am

luke wrote:There is a dude from Macon who is looking for a partner. I think he might play intermediate. can't remember his name, but he is on the Macon Disc Golf Club page. Maybe the Monty page, too; not sure.

Even though I brought my trademark inconsistent game to the park, this was a fantastic tournament. First time playing Monty for me too, so well-deserved props are in order to Luke for his work on a challenging, well-designed course as well as his efforts in staging a great show.

And whoever bought off the weather gods, absolute stroke of genius there...

Had a great time as always Luke! Thanks for the hospitality of your home too. Course was looking good and liked the changes you've made. Cheesecake raised over $50 and glad $ and JPZ enjoyed it. Not to blow my own horn but as a last minute recipe change I think I nailed it!