The liberal elite are socialists: Tax more, spread the wealth. It doesn't work. Why tax the wealthy when they are the ones who make all the jobs?? By taxing them, you are diminishing their ability/desire to make more jobs, thus FORCING people to rely on the government. By relying on the government, the people are going to always vote for the candidate that will continue their life sustaining welfare. Thus democracy has not been attained but rather disemboweled as you now have candidates (such as Obama) who are elected not by conscience but by literally buying their votes. That to me is not democracy.

The liberal elite buy WAY more votes per year (indirectly through welfare and unions) than the "1%" ever could hope to buy.

And taxing the rich to feed the poor never has nor never will work. Look at russia, china, north korea all former socialist countries. They tanked then changed to a much more free market and now have been exploding at crazy rates while the USA continues to pursue socialism. HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT NEED TO FAIL BEFORE WE REALIZE IT WON'T WORK?? EVER!

Let me give you some advice. Just simply stop posting. I have learned over the past month or so that the pbnation forums are filled with nothing but right-wing haters. Posting anything going against what they say, no matter how logical the post(yours), will result in being flamed and being called an idiot in the end. The fact that we are beginning to head towards mimicking the European and other nations that all went bankrupt using Obama's policies means nothing to the lot in the PBNation political forums.

Let me give you some advice. Just simply stop posting. I have learned over the past month or so that the pbnation forums are filled with nothing but right-wing haters. Posting anything going against what they say, no matter how logical the post(yours), will result in being flamed and being called an idiot in the end. The fact that we are beginning to head towards mimicking the European and other nations that all went bankrupt using Obama's policies means nothing to the lot in the PBNation political forums.

So you agree that N. Korea has a booming economy then, since you think his post was so logical?

Let me give you some advice. Just simply stop posting. I have learned over the past month or so that the pbnation forums are filled with nothing but right-wing haters. Posting anything going against what they say, no matter how logical the post(yours), will result in being flamed and being called an idiot in the end. The fact that we are beginning to head towards mimicking the European and other nations that all went bankrupt using Obama's policies means nothing to the lot in the PBNation political forums.

His post doesn't even answer my question. I didn't ask whether or not socialism works. I asked how democracy and liberalism are incompatible. He can't even answer that simple question. Let alone address a single point I brought up. Instead I get these emotional tangents in response. **** me for trying.

The liberal elite are socialists: Tax more, spread the wealth. It doesn't work. Why tax the wealthy when they are the ones who make all the jobs?? By taxing them, you are diminishing their ability/desire to make more jobs, thus FORCING people to rely on the government. By relying on the government, the people are going to always vote for the candidate that will continue their life sustaining welfare. Thus democracy has not been attained but rather disemboweled as you now have candidates (such as Obama) who are elected not by conscience but by literally buying their votes. That to me is not democracy.

The liberal elite buy WAY more votes per year (indirectly through welfare and unions) than the "1%" ever could hope to buy.

And taxing the rich to feed the poor never has nor never will work. Look at russia, china, north korea all former socialist countries. They tanked then changed to a much more free market and now have been exploding at crazy rates while the USA continues to pursue socialism. HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT NEED TO FAIL BEFORE WE REALIZE IT WON'T WORK?? EVER!

What you are describing is liberalism (or to an extreme social democracy); not socialism. Why is so hard to simply call it what it is? Are you afraid to lose the fear-mongering effect that comes along with calling something socialist/communist?

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Let me give you some advice. Just simply stop posting. I have learned over the past month or so that the pbnation forums are filled with nothing but right-wing haters. Posting anything going against what they say, no matter how logical the post(yours), will result in being flamed and being called an idiot in the end. The fact that we are beginning to head towards mimicking the European and other nations that all went bankrupt using Obama's policies means nothing to the lot in the PBNation political forums.

Good call. Thxs for advice. I never know why I get into these stupid online debates. Always ends same way...

So you agree that N. Korea has a booming economy then, since you think his post was so logical?

lawl

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Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph.

Let me give you some advice. Just simply stop posting. I have learned over the past month or so that the pbnation forums are filled with nothing but right-wing haters. Posting anything going against what they say, no matter how logical the post(yours), will result in being flamed and being called an idiot in the end. The fact that we are beginning to head towards mimicking the European and other nations that all went bankrupt using Obama's policies means nothing to the lot in the PBNation political forums.

Your noob is showing. This forum has always been more conservative than the rest of America.

Also, try going to NYC if you wanna meet some right wing haters. It won't be pretty. Except for the beautiful women that show up in summer.

"Originally posted by drgonzo: That doesn't make sense, the people with the most interaction and dependence on government have the most significant stakes and should have the vote if anyone. People who reject government and do not use government services should be denied the vote if anything." ^^FAIL

"Originally posted by Rebeltilldeath3: When I think geocities I think ****ty tiled background and sparkly titles. Think of a minority's myspace page."

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I say poor economic conditions. People are more forgiving and cooperative when times are good. It could also have a lot to do with the fact that Tradition has been largely excised from all relevant areas of society. This seems to have the Right up in arms and the Left waiting for the kill.

I say poor economic conditions. People are more forgiving and cooperative when times are good. It could also have a lot to do with the fact that Tradition has been largely excised from all relevant areas of society. This seems to have the Right up in arms and the Left waiting for the kill.