Its a good to mot be able to smoke in bars but wjere im from its getting out of hand. last year they passed a law so you cant smoke on patios at bars, now they passed a law saying you cant smoke in public parks.

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Prohibition of smoking in public parks would seem ridiculous on first glance, but I guess in this case it's not so much about smoking itself, but about smokers throwing their cigarette stubs all over the place and nice words didn't help against it.

Prohibition of smoking in public parks would seem ridiculous on first glance, but I guess in this case it's not so much about smoking itself, but about smokers throwing their cigarette stubs all over the place and nice words didn't help against it.

Hmm that is possible. Still, littering is littering and I feel like telling something they can't legally do something that does not disturb the peace in public infringes on rights.

Punishing smokers who go out of there way to keep their smoke away from other people and do look for butt stops to throw out their ciggs are now unable to enjoy the park because some people have no respect. It feels like I am in grade school and the whole class is getting punished for something lil Tommy did.

Hmm that is possible. Still, littering is littering and I feel like telling something they can't legally do something that does not disturb the peace in public infringes on rights.

Punishing smokers who go out of there way to keep their smoke away from other people and do look for butt stops to throw out their ciggs are now unable to enjoy the park because some people have no respect. It feels like I am in grade school and the whole class is getting punished for something lil Tommy did.

Yes it's like punishing the reasonable people, but it's not only because of lil Tommy, but lil Tommy and the 20 other guys. It's bad for the 5 others who are reasonable, but with that many troublemakers, it's hard to tell who are the reasonable guys and just take them to the excursion and the troublemakers not.

And technically there is littering, but it's easier to predict that a smoker who is actually smoking to litter after he is done smoking than to catch the unknown smoker who threw that little cigarette stub in the grass an hour ago.

It's bad for the reasonable smokers, but apparently there were just too many unreasonable ones who could not behave.

How has this discussion about guns devolved into a debate about smoking? I don't know about you but I haven't killed anyone with my second hand bullets! The problem here is that criminals don't respect gun laws. The only thing you accomplish by banning guns is that lawful people can no longer obtain them. I haven't met one single person who had a felony that obtained their guns legally. I live in the most violent city in the United States (FBI statistics 2011) and personally I would be terrified to live where I live without a gun nearby! An armed criminal just robbed a store not even a quarter mile from me today. He wasn't apprehended and was last seen in my neighborhood. I would be personally terrified if I weren't sitting here armed right now! But anyways that is just my opinion of things from where I stand.

I've got an idea on how to make sure that only responsible people who are in their right mind get legally access to guns:

1. People with a criminal record in association with a violent crime or a sentence of more than a year can't get guns. (There is probably already something similar)
2. Anyone who wants to get a gun, has to have five adult bondsmen who would be charged and sentenced the same as that person, if that person commits a crime with a (any) gun during the next ten years.

That way only someone who is obviously trustworthy to other people (=small part of society) would legally get access to guns.