BroncfanOR wrote:I'm going to disagree the Broncos are going to just let Osweiler walk at the end of his contract.

They have already invested a second round pick in him and have said time and again he is the future.

Plus I don't see Manning playing 3 more years. It wouldn't surprise me if this was his last season.

I've felt all along that Manning was going to play 3 years not 5 for the Broncos, his contract is guaranteed for this year and not the last two. I just don't see him playing at 39 and 40 years old. Maybe he would disagree but the Broncos have a decision to make at the end of this season and I am not sure Elway is going to invest 18 million next season in a 39 yr old QB HOF'er or not.

They have a lot of money to invest in DT, Miller coming soon and that's going to be difficult paying all those positions top dollar so I think Manning could be the odd man out because of his age.

As far as Brock goes the Broncos obviously think he has some ability because they would have a veteran QB on the roster for the season as a 3rd not a seventh round rookie if they didn't. For that matter they must think a great deal of Dysert as well or they would have exposed him to other teams and tried to put him on the practice squad and not wasted a roster spot for him. Experienced veterans are a dime a dozen and this staff seems to prefer them as opposed to relying on rookie type players so despite the assurances of some people the Broncos must think one of these guys can be the future. And the future might come sooner than we think.

The most interesting thing about this is, will a Hall of Fame QB EVER stop looking at arms? I think not, but at least he has an idea about what he wants, and that's a good start.

You're darn right! Mr. QB savvy knew that the wonder kid QB in 2011 did not have what it takes despite winning games when no one else could and endearing thousands of fans across the land. Bringing in PFM was a genius move: bringing in not only a future HOF QB, but perhaps the best ever, would drown out words of the endeared fans with those of the newly endeared.

Elway's first potentially HUGE quarterback controversy turned out to be a HUGE FO victory. With his QB savvy and his golden FO move, Elway has enough credit in his bank to keep doing what he's doing with BO and Dysert.

A QB debate in April. This shows two things; 1) how important the position is to putting a winner on the field, and 2) how far ahead the Broncos are in terms of importance and fan interest in relation to any other local pro squad.

Personally, I have to give this organization at A- right now for balancing the win now aspirations with the need to build for long-term success. The grade would be an A+ if they can get the ring.

Manning is obviously the centerpiece, but I feel like Elway and the front office have done a solid job of filling the squad with talent and depth that will keep this team a contender now and for years to come. As such, so long as Manning can play at a high level he should and will be the QB for this team.

Stating the obvious here, but the key to this team remaining a contender after Manning exits is who takes over at QB. This is where Elway's front office performance will be judged and he knows this more than anyone.

PA wrote:Who really knows about Brock? There's not enough real under center data yet to make any sort of informed evaluation. The Bronco organization hasn't tipped it's hand about how they see Brock's potential... They haven't cut him loose and they have him as #2. They must see something... I'll go with that for now.

Oh no, you can't think that way. Didn't you know that two pre-seasons is enough to evaluate a QB?

Actually...evauluating players is what the pre-season is all about. The final score doesn't matter but how a player performs over and over again seems to be a fairly decent barometer in measuring a players success. Think back....how many quality Bronco players first caught your eye in a pre-season game? For Me? John Mobley, Terrel Davis, Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe just too name a few. My reservations about The Big O is that he rarely moves the team when he is inserted into a game...even in pre-season. I am very curious too see what Zac Dysert will have to say about the "Osweiler is the Broncos future" talk.The Little Guy

If that were the criteria being used you might have a point however we are talking about a guy who makes up his mind the minute the pick is announced.

Also given the nature and difficulty of the QB position I don't believe you can judge them by the limited play they get in pre-season. If you did then the starting QB for the Broncos right now would be Weber whom they cut lose.

In my opinion a QB has to be and play at least a season as the starter to determine his potential and ability. He has to have the practice snaps and the time to develop chemistry with the starters.

As of right now Osweiler is the future and nothing else has been indicated. This is something people are going to have to accept.

BroncfanOR wrote:[quote="Also given the nature and difficulty of the QB position I don't believe you can judge them by the limited play they get in pre-season.

I disagree. Long time back-ups like Gary Kubiak and Frank Reich were able to keep their jobs because of Pre-season performances. It's just not realistic to wait too see how a QB does with the starters as those snaps usually go too the starter. No back-up is really going to get that chance. I doubt Denver will wait around for yet another year...and then put oZ in..and then wait another additional year to see if he has the stuff. Oz is usually playing with back-ups....AGAINST back-ups. I have a strong feeling that someone else will get a chance if he continues to fail too move the team.

In my opinion a QB has to be and play at least a season as the starter to determine his potential and ability. He has to have the practice snaps and the time to develop chemistry with the starters.

Yeah..but again...that's just not realistic. Look at a guy like Aaron Rodgers. How much work did he get with the Green Bay Starters before getting the go...or Tom Brady...or Kurt Warner...or Tony Romo. You have to be able too step in and be ready to go. If you're not...someone else will be.

As of right now Osweiler is the future and nothing else has been indicated. This is something people are going to have to accept.

True. What Brock has to accept is that that situation is fluid and will change on a dime if he doesn't move the team. He was high 2nd round pick....not a hope shot 6th rounder. He needs to act like it on the field.

The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

Turner5Spot wrote:Stating the obvious here, but the key to this team remaining a contender after Manning exits is who takes over at QB. This is where Elway's front office performance will be judged and he knows this more than anyone.

True....but Manning is at the age where a lot of QB's just suddenly are not as effective (see Jim Kelly and Dan Marino) or injury prone. I remember in 1998 Elway getting a rib cartlidge injury during warm-ups. Montana was always pulling a ham string in his late 30's. Denver has been lucky so far that they have not had to use Brock. How long will that luck hold out? BO better be ready. Nothing I have seen from his performances indicates that he is.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

For those who think it's going to be Dysert against Brock,that's going to be the furthest thing from the truth. Got a feeling qb's will be coming and going through the turn styles in Denver. If anything, I think Elway is going to go for his #1 Qb, and constantly be in search of that Qb's Gary Kubiak, a long time back up who can be trusted and knows the system, that writing is on the wall.

For those who think it's going to be Dysert against Brock,that's going to be the furthest thing from the truth. Got a feeling qb's will be coming and going through the turn styles in Denver. If anything, I think Elway is going to go for his #1 Qb, and constantly be in search of that Qb's Gary Kubiak, a long time back up who can be trusted and knows the system, that writing is on the wall.

You are likely correct. But as I stated Osweiler is the future #1 unless something changes in the next year or two.

They invested a high pick and time in him and I don't believe Elway let's him go without a shot.

On the plus side this conversation is still premature as Manning isn't going anywhere yet.

300Paul wrote:For those who think it's going to be Dysert against Brock,that's going to be the furthest thing from the truth.

Hmmm...I don't know about that one 3000. When a team keeps a roster spot open for a 3rd string QB (when it could have been filled by someone who can actually contribute on special teams) rather than putting him on the practice squad it means they want a further look. I think the feeling was that there was no way Dysert would have cleared waivers. Turns out that Elway was willing to gamble on losing Tavarres King...but not Dysert.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

Stockburn wrote:Paul here must be taken hits from Vons bong pipe. Teams that have a HOF starter don't carry a 3rd stringer if they believe they already have their future franchise in hand.

Up until last years camp they believed they did till the pre season showed them they didn't.

There will be competition for Mannings backup....expect Dysert to come out on top.

Now bongs are bad around here? What's up with that?

Teams carry a 3rd when they don't want the Raiders or Chargers or Chiefs picking up a QB that the head man picked and that player had shown some skill, that's common sense.

Elway has said many times he wants Brock pushed, that's a good way to do that as well, it's all about competition and who can't like that?

Elway has been a straight shooter about competition and has stuck to his guns on his draft picks, just from following how Elway has conducted himself the last few years, Brock is going to get his shot, whether some like it or not.

But, for those who for some reason don't like Brock, Elway and Fox have been more than fair that those who win that competition will play, gotta love that as well. You think it will be Dysert, I think we are going to see a new arm in camp every year with Brock staying.

I'm just one of those guys who wants to see Brock play before writing him off, I know, that's weird, but why not let the kids play before we, who have nothing to do with goes on with roster, proclaim a starter?

This whole thing is two years away anyway, it'll just be of interest to see what arm the Broncos pick up in this years draft.

300Paul wrote:For those who think it's going to be Dysert against Brock,that's going to be the furthest thing from the truth.

Hmmm...I don't know about that one 3000. When a team keeps a roster spot open for a 3rd string QB (when it could have been filled by someone who can actually contribute on special teams) rather than putting him on the practice squad it means they want a further look. I think the feeling was that there was no way Dysert would have cleared waivers. Turns out that Elway was willing to gamble on losing Tavarres King...but not Dysert.The Little Guy

It's far easier to find another WR then it is an arm you like, look at this years draft, filled with some good WR talent, and somewhat non impressive top tier QB talent. With the Raiders and other teams in the division looking for a QB, and you know it, it would have served the Broncos well to protect him and let the rookie WR, go. Besides, I think they already liked Caldwell, so they were pretty secure in that decision.

Like I've been saying, there is going to be a new QB drafted every year in Denver, Elway is going to have a wandering eye at that position, you can just feel that one.

Either way, best guy is gonna play, they have been true with that, I still don't see the reason why some don't want Brock to even get a chance, but the FO will handle that argument.

300Paul wrote:[quote="Elway has said many times he wants Brock pushed, that's a good way to do that as well, it's all about competition and who can't like that?.

Agreed. Competition is good and especially key for the Broncos..or really any team that has a 38 year old starter. I hope Elway keeps his word about competiioton and plays the best men for ther job at all times regardless of draft position.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

300Paul wrote:[quote=" I still don't see the reason why some don't want Brock to even get a chance, but the FO will handle that argument.

I don't understand why some fans have a personal thing about Osweiler either. He seems like a nice kid. Me? I have concerns about him because he does not move the team with any consistancy. I never get a chance to watch the pre-season games live so I have to set the DVR to record them because NFL network will rebroadcast them in the middle of the day when I'm at work. I have had a chance therefore to really watch a lot of Brock Osweiler. More often than not his drives end in punts. If he was just some undrafted rookie or some 7th round pick than who gives a rip....but our QB is 38 and Oz is a high number 2 pick that his tabbed as the future. It would be nice if he could move the offense against a bunch of guys who are currently selling shoes or cell phones or work in the Men's department at JC Penney.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

300Paul wrote:[quote="Elway has said many times he wants Brock pushed, that's a good way to do that as well, it's all about competition and who can't like that?.

Agreed. Competition is good and especially key for the Broncos..or really any team that has a 38 year old starter. I hope Elway keeps his word about competiioton and plays the best men for ther job at all times regardless of draft position.The Little Guy

He's trying to win, I'm confident that he and Fox will play the best no matter what, their history points to that.

The best, no matter their draft position, or, heck, their undrafted status even, are going to play for the Broncos, another reason why I like what's going on at Dove Valley under this regime.

300Paul wrote:[quote=" I still don't see the reason why some don't want Brock to even get a chance, but the FO will handle that argument.

I don't understand why some fans have a personal thing about Osweiler either. He seems like a nice kid. Me? I have concerns about him because he does not move the team with any consistancy. I never get a chance to watch the pre-season games live so I have to set the DVR to record them because NFL network will rebroadcast them in the middle of the day when I'm at work. I have had a chance therefore to really watch a lot of Brock Osweiler. More often than not his drives end in punts. If he was just some undrafted rookie or some 7th round pick than who gives a rip....but our QB is 38 and Oz is a high number 2 pick that his tabbed as the future. It would be nice if he could move the offense against a bunch of guys who are currently selling shoes or cell phones or work in the Men's department at JC Penney.The Little Guy

I always review the games as well. What I see from Brock is a tall guy, with more than enough arm, who can move in the pocket, who looks jittery as heck at times and doesn't want to make mistakes so is slow to pull the trigger. I've seen the guy make his reads, under duress, and is just a tick slow to deliver, basically, I've seen a second year QB who gets few reps but has potential, the same thing the Broncos see pretty much.

Heck, I like Dysert too, I can see what they like about him, but when he moves an O against an even lower D then Brock was playing against, what's that say?

Before either of those cats hit the field, the Broncos will know far more about them then we ever will. I like how the Broncos have gone about their business so far, that's why I see no reason to throw dirt on Brocks casket before he's played against the real bullets.

PA wrote:Who really knows about Brock? There's not enough real under center data yet to make any sort of informed evaluation. The Bronco organization hasn't tipped it's hand about how they see Brock's potential... They haven't cut him loose and they have him as #2. They must see something... I'll go with that for now.

Oh no, you can't think that way. Didn't you know that two pre-seasons is enough to evaluate a QB?

Yeah I agree with you, there isn't enough evidence to claim Osweiler is a bust but some hated him from the minute he was drafted so their opinion is meaningless in this discussion.

In today's NFL it sure as heck is...These QB's coming out of college no longer have the luxury of getting 7 years (and that's what it will be for BO 5 years riding the pines and then 2 rookie years)

As for you continued claim that people hate him...I can only speak for me, I don't give 2 shakes about BO...my hatred is with the pick. They could have drafted Wilson and I'd be saying the same thing. It was a position that didn't need to be addressed...and this continued nonsense that Elway was so brilliant he scouted Juniors in HS and determined that a player that played one season in a bad pac 10 was going to be the best QB for 4 years..By the time BO takes the field he will have played ONE meaningful season of football in 8 years

Repeat after me....The much maligned defense did not lose the Super Bowl...The blame goes to the Coaching staff and the High Flying Offense led by #18...

Justabroncofan wrote:I was all for getting Osweiler playing time in a few of the Bronco blowouts last season.

The only way a young QB learns anything and can progress is if he is in the game. I want to see how he can move in the pocket long enough to throw a pass at least 40 yards. All he has shown so far in his career is tendencies to throw it into a crowd and up for grabs under a rush. If he can play as well as Flacco I'd be happy. If he can't do it put in Dysert and try it.

the problem with that logic is that PM couldn't have broken all those records..and that is all the last 3 or 4 games was all about..wasn't about developing BO or montee ball or any other aspect of the offense..it was about chucking the ball around and running up the score

Repeat after me....The much maligned defense did not lose the Super Bowl...The blame goes to the Coaching staff and the High Flying Offense led by #18...

GoBroncos24 wrote:I know we've lost some good talent, but how can you not expect us to be better defensively with Ware, Talib, Ward and all those injured starters coming back? I seriously expect us to be a top-5 defense, especially when we take 10+ point leads and release the hounds.

Offensively we won't be quite as good, but Sanders was a very good addition and I don't think we'll see too much drop-off with Ball as the featured back. We can make up for Beadles by inserting Montgomery at center and moving Ramirez back to guard, or just making some shifts on the line.

The only big concern I have is CJ Andersen as our 2nd RB. A lot of uncertainty there, though clearly Elway/Fox think he's ready.

defense didn't lose the super bowl..and yes their stats were overblown because teams were having to play catchup in the 4th quarter and got garbage time stats. if it wasn't for the defense they would have lost by 60.

that being said, ware is a slight upgrade, talib is no better than DRC. The only true upgrade was Ward. as for the injured players, VM better come in on a better diet than cheetos and taco bell, Chris Harris has to show he's not just a slot corner

Repeat after me....The much maligned defense did not lose the Super Bowl...The blame goes to the Coaching staff and the High Flying Offense led by #18...