The Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS) is marketed feverishly as a miraculous alternative treatment for AIDS, hepatitis, malaria, herpes, tuberculosis, cancer and many more of mankind's most feared diseases. The truth is that MMS is a dangerous poison, and as such it has no business whatsoever in the alternative health arena.

Many people do not know that MMS is essentially bleach. It's very effective for killing bacteria in toilets, but you certainly shouldn't be swallowing it. The active ingredient in MMS is not a mineral, but chlorine dioxide (oxygenated chlorine), which is formed from the chemical combination of sodium chlorite and acetic acid (vinegar) or citric acid. MMS as a poison does kill intrusive germs in your body, but it would be naïve to believe it to be carefully selective in what it kills and destroys, or to think that the damage done has only limited consequences. It is shocking that MMS is recommended so widely, that it is recommended to already weakened individuals AND that it is recommended for long-term use. In truth, the potential long-term and dangerous side effects of regular MMS use should give anyone the shivers.

Before we continue, an important lesson on oxidation and free radicals is needed to help us understand the long-term consequences of the use of MMS1 and its successor MMS2. This information is crucial to see why MMS is NOT an alternative health solution.

Oxygen is an essential element that supports life, but in the wrong place or at the wrong time, oxygen can wreak much havoc on our cells, causing cancer, contributing to cardiovascular disease, degenerative diseases, and aging through a process called oxidation. You have seen the effects of oxidation whenever you have observed an apple turn brown and go bad after being exposed to air, or when you see the flame of a candle.

We use oxygen in order to take electrons from the sugar and fat molecules that we use for fuel. The molecules we wish to keep intact, however, are subject to oxygen's burning influence and they are at risk of losing electrons as well. The fire from a candle flame aptly illustrates oxidation in which the electrons of the candle wax are ripped off by oxygen in the atmosphere with the resulting, self-perpetuating release of light and heat. As oxygen makes its way through the body, many of its molecules lose an electron. This means that they become chemically unstable and highly reactive ions as free radicals are formed. These unstable metabolic by-products of energy production in cells strive to stabilize by 'stealing' a replacement electron from any neighboring molecule, leaving even more damaged molecules in their wake. This is how free radicals in our bodies are produced and cause inflammation, a process that is best known as oxidative stress or oxidative damage. Oxidation can even cause debilitating changes to your DNA.

Depending on where this oxidative damage takes place, it can lead to any number of the following diseases: atherosclerosis (plaque in blood vessels), cancer, arthritis, cataracts, neurodegenerative disorders such as Alzheimer's disease, autoimmune diseases, and many other health problems generally related to aging. Any free radical involving oxygen can be referred to as a Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS). A perfect example of a ROS is hypochlorous acid, which is now also known as Miracle Mineral Solution 2 (MMS2). Keep in mind that the loss of electrons from molecules whose integrity is vital to the structure of our cell membranes, DNA, skin or eyes results in damage and disease. Oxidation is the most toxic force affecting all the molecules of the body; it's the enemy of youth, the ally of all diseases, and the fundamental mechanism of all injury, all aging, and eventually, of death [1].

By now, you should understand why anti-oxidants are so important. Antioxidants help to counteract or neutralize the free radicals before they can damage our healthy cells by lending a hand (actually, an electron) when stabilization is needed. This is the reason why we are fond of so many antioxidants such as vitamin C, E, carotenoids, resveratrol, taurine, coenzyme Q10, and melatonin, to name but a few.

Each person is exposed to oxidants and each one of us has a variety of antioxidant defenses and DNA repair ability. These factors together determine the extent of oxidant-induced DNA damage in each of us, and the levels of such damage may well contribute to cancer risk, especially in tissues where other changes may have already occurred. But keep in mind that DNA protection is essential not only to guard us from cancer, but also because in all of our cells, DNA carries our ancestral identity and the instructions and information that maintain our bodies. We might also wonder what other special properties could be lying dormant in our DNA.

But for now, let's get back to MMS1, which is basically the combination of sodium chlorite and acetic acid (vinegar) or citric acid which together form chlorine dioxide (oxygenated chlorine). The toxic effects of chlorine dioxide are associated with those of sodium chlorite - a very strong oxidant that at a dose of 10-15 grams is considered to be lethal. Even small amounts of about 1 gram can be expected to cause nausea and vomiting. Now get this: the MMS protocol suggests that taking up to 60 drops per day is within reason. There are 20 drops in one gram, which means that the protocol may call for the ingestion of 3 grams or more of what amounts to household bleach. This is three times the amount required to produce nausea and vomiting and 20% of the amount required to kill you [2]. Even though we are told that nausea and diarrhea are positive signs of detoxification when following the MMS protocol, you can be sure that they are actually the way our body tells us that we've just been poisoned. If you happen to vomit, then be reassured that it might have saved your life by way of avoiding a lethal overdose of MMS! There are in fact several testimonials of negative side effects and at least one death related to MMS which you can easily find on the internet [2].

The popularity of MMS and its fervent, almost religious marketing involved the claim of curing malaria in tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. Sounds very noble indeed, but this is only natural as MMS' sodium chlorite is well known to cause hemolysis in red blood cells - meaning that red blood cells are ruptured and destroyed. It is actually by killing red blood cells that the malarial parasite is killed since it invades red blood cells. MMS probably kills the parasite and the red blood cells. In fact, MMS consumers may develop anemia.

MMS really does sound like a dangerous allopathic drug, similar to antibiotics or chemotherapy. Why is it that we don't see many efforts to remove this poison from the market when in recent times there has been a push to remove healthy vitamins and antioxidants by agencies like the FDA and Codex? MMS is more of a killer than antibiotics and has the potential to kill all kinds of microbes including viruses. Such a killer weapon has other consequences for your body, and killer therapies should never be the first course of action when dealing with disease. They should never be an option when we are able to take control of our health through diet and appropriate, real alternative health therapies.

Let us review some safety data sheets of MMS ingredients: Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidant, and as such it reacts violently with combustible materials, mercury, ammonia, sulphur and many organic compounds [3]. Sodium chlorite is a strong irritant of the skin, eyes, and respiratory tract; a strong oxidizer that promotes combustion; concentrated solutions may be corrosive to the skin and eyes; mild hemolytic anemia and increased methemoglobin in males was observed in animal feeding studies [4]. Acute health effects of chlorine dioxide: ingestion is not a normal route of exposure (except thanks to MMS!), harmful if swallowed, can cause irritation to mouth, esophagus, stomach, and mucous membranes (hence, the diarrhea, nausea and vomiting!). Eye contact: contact causes redness, irritation, pain, blurred vision, tearing, corneal injury and burns. Inhalation: harmful if inhaled, coughing, headaches, labored breathing, nausea, shortness of breath, pulmonary edema. Chronic health effects: may have effects on lungs, resulting in chronic bronchitis and permanent lung damage [5]. In short, MMS should NEVER be a health treatment, alternative or otherwise!

Now here is where things get even more interesting. Enter MMS2, which works more subtly and therefore more dangerously than its predecessor.

MMS2 is basically calcium hypochlorite, which is a chemical compound widely used for water treatment and as a bleaching and disinfecting agent (bleaching powder). This one is indeed a mineral, but a mineral that reacts to produce hypochlorous acid when ingested. Hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which is a combination of hydrogen, oxygen, and chlorine, is what some of our white blood cells produce in order to kill bacteria through the well-known process called oxidation. HOCl is a powerful oxidant indeed, and as I mentioned before, it is the perfect example of a hazardous reactive oxygen species (ROS). Just as with MMS1, pathogens can't develop a resistance to MMS2 and this is related to the powerful free radicals that it liberates. Sound good? Well, not really. MMS2 is meant to create high concentrations of this dangerous oxidative hypochlorous acid in our bodies in order to kill 'powerful and incurable' diseases, or so it is claimed. Unfortunately, the amount of HOCl that our body is already capable of producing on its own is dangerous enough. In fact, some of our white blood cells have toxic and damaging effects on our DNA through the formation of hypochlorous acid [6, 7]. What is more, antioxidants are being studied and used successfully to block hypochlorous acid from creating DNA damage [7, 8, 9, 10]. Yes, DNA damage! This is dangerous to the extreme!

Another way in which MMS2 can cause damage is through activation of 'evil' transcription factors. Free radicals such as hypochlorous acid and other toxins may cause transcription factors to initiate a series of genetic reactions that result in cancer. Transcription factors are proteins that facilitate gene expression - that is, they cause genetic material to do something. A particular transcription factor, NF kappa B, is influenced by free radicals or toxins which usually activate it. Once activated, this transcription factor goes into the nucleus of our cells where our DNA resides and may activate genes that might change a potentially malignant cell into an absolutely malignant cell [8]. Hypochlorous acid (MMS2) activates this infamous NF-kappa B transcription factor, especially in the absence of antioxidants like taurine [11,12]. NF-kappa B has also a crucial role in inflammation, and thus ultimately it induces illness. That MMS2 is promoted as a cure for cancer and many other illnesses is just plain baffling.

But that's not all, folks. It gets worse! In fact, hypochlorous acid (MMS2) has the power to chlorinate the building blocks of DNA, breaking the DNA double helix apart and thus interfering with its vital biological functions [13]. By the way, the new airport security scanners can break apart our DNA's double helix as well [14]. Do we see a pattern here?

Some claim that hypochlorous acid is hazardous only to intrusive germs, but there are actually studies that have determined that the properties of hypochlorous acid that make it such a potent bug killer agent can damage our bodies by the same mechanism used to destroy the invading pathogenic bugs [15]. One such study could not have a more appropriate name: "Living with a killer: the effects of hypochlorous acid on mammalian cells [15]."

Gabriela Segura, M.D.

It has been well documented that there are a variety of disorders tied to the deleterious effects of hypochlorous acid in our bodies including diabetes, obesity, depression, hypertension, gout, kidney failure, and autism, among other conditions [12]. This makes sense in view of our brief review of oxidation: wherever there is oxidative damage, there is disease. What is more, our brains have a high oxygen demand, and thus are particularly sensitive to oxidative damage. So it doesn't come as a surprise that our mind is often the canary in the coal mine. We often notice our body's first inflammatory effects through brain fog, memory problems, and insomnia. Hypochlorous acid has the potential to be extremely neurotoxic to our brains, where it literally oxidizes certain lipids and proteins, preventing them from performing their functions and contributing to neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease and Multiple Sclerosis [16].

In addition, hypochlorous acid can be very dangerous in certain settings [17]. Its strong oxidative power makes the chemical very dangerous, because it can become explosive when combined with certain substances. Adding acids to a hypochlorous acid solution will precipitate this process, making the mixture unstable, releasing chlorine gas, and potentially causing an explosive chemical reaction. The compound needs to be handled carefully because it can release dangerous chlorine gas if mixed with seemingly safe household products. Chlorine gas can cause considerable health problems or death, especially in poorly ventilated spaces, which is one reason why it is inadvisable to mix household chemicals like bleach at random.

Further complicating this tragedy, MMS is now being promoted with the use of DMSO [18]. DMSO (Dimethylsulphoxide) is a solvent which enhances the availability and effectiveness of many drugs throughout our bodies, thus potentiating their effects. It has the capacity to distribute a drug deep into our bodies. The worrying thing is that DMSO also very easily crosses the blood-brain barrier. This property is exactly why DMSO is widely used as an effective transporter of certain substances into our brains that may not otherwise cross the mentioned barrier [19]. Even though DMSO by itself is a powerful antioxidant, keep in mind that it has the ability to potentiate and carry a dangerous poison such as MMS1 and MMS2 into the brain. By now, I hope that it is clear why this is a very, very bad idea.

Please give this article to any MMS consumer. They have the right to know what is going on within their bodies - and DNA - when they take this Trojan Horse!

About the Author

Gabriela Segura, M.D. is a heart surgeon with extensive experience and interest in alternative health, research, psychology and the human condition. She works for the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind. Visit her website at health-matrix.net

I just read your article MMS:Miracle or Trojan Horse. As you probably know I am the one that discovered MMS. I discovered it 14 years ago and among many things up to this time last year more than 5 million people had downloaded my free MMS book. Mant [sic] more by now.

I am 78 years old, and I have treated over 5000 people personally by handing them the MMS solution in person in Africa and countries not in Africa. I have seen more people get well from incurable diseases than any other person. Counting the people of Africa and Europe and around more than 200,000 lives have been saved so far.

There are no deaths reported except two that have no evidence to support the statements except those who want something bad to show. As a doctor and a member of your religion I expect you to take a little closer look.

I would be happy to open a friendly dialogue with you. I do not want to open a dialog where there is sarcasm and hate. Let me introduce myself to you again, I am Bishop James V Humble concecrated [sic] into the lineage of Bishop leading back to Jesus Christ at Antioch when he gave the command, "go ye into the world and Heal the sick." As a Bishop I am expected to form a church which I have. The Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. That is what we do. We do healing. We do healing free at no cost and support the church on donations. We do not teach religious truths, but rather leave that up to other churches while we concentrate on healing the sick. Our Ministers, of course, do the same.

I hope that you will take a fresh look with me at MMS as your article will result in many people who could be healed to continue to suffer. I would not be fair to them and I believe that you would not do that unless there is some other agenda. Thanks for your consideration in this matter.

Bishop Jim Humble

Those who use MMS and MMS2 and find it has no side effects at all should understand that a sub-clinical dose of a poison acts cumulatively. Of particular interest is the clinically shown evidence that this substance can damage DNA and damaged DNA can manifest as any one (or more) of a host of conditions including cancer. That is to say, long term damage can manifest after a delay with either short or long-term use depending on the genetic predisposition of the individual.

What SOTT wants from Jim Humble is certifiable proof of his claims. At the very least, we want witness testimonies from individuals who can be contacted, who have something to lose by lying, not just an anonymous Greek chorus. We also want Jim Humble's bona fides. He says he is a chemist, well, let us see his verifiable CV.

Dr. Gaby was born into a mixed Eastern-Western family in Costa Rica and she is a countryside family medicine doctor and former heart surgeon. Her research in the medical field, the true nature of our world and all things related to healing have taken her to Italy, Canada, France and Spain. Gaby is co-host of the 'Health and Wellness' show on the SOTT Radio Network and her writings can be found at The Health Matrix.

Reader Comments

So does just about every other prescription drug on the market. Does prozac have an instantaneous effect. Took it a week to kick in for me years ago. Look at the side effects of the 5 most prescribed drugs in the US, and then look at the side effects of MMS. Now tell us which you would rather have a member of your family using for a short, controlled period of time. There are actually drugs being prescribed that have suicide as a known side effect. And now it is coming out that much of the research submitted to the FDA for drug approval has either been falsified or does not meet rigorous scientific standards in the process, or pass the smell test of unbiased researchers.

Just exactly why are prescription drugs controlled? Because ingested in too large of quantities over too long a period of time they do harm. And taken when not needed also may do harm. Does Jim Humble ever recommend taking MMS when it is not needed? Just because we don't have an MD telling us how much to take after charging us for a 30 second office visit does not mean that it should not be available. At least allow MMS the same opportunity as you do prescription drugs. In Ecuador, 90% of the prescription drugs in the US are available over the counter. Do we hear of people dying from this? Absolutely not. I got scabies in Ecuador. Cost to eliminate, $3. Got them in the US, cost to eliminate was nearly $350. First office visit was a misdiagnosis. I ask all of you, if I come up with a cure for something that is going to eliminate over $300 in revenue for every diagnosis, am I going to encounter resistance? Now think of what a cure for malaria or cancer is going to do to big pharma and MD revenues. Google Greg Caton for an example of this. But you won't.

And for you out there not M.D's, do you know why doctors tell you to come back in a few days so they can see how you are doing? Firstly, it increases their revenue stream, and secondly, because their diagnostic accuracy is less that 60%, and in those cases they have prescribed the wrong drug. This little factoid was not known until we tried to computerize the diagnosis process. We were told we needed 90+ % accuracy, but when we followed the docs their success rate at that time in the 1980's was close to 50%. It got better when they had the ability to leave the room and go look up your symptoms on the internet. So much for that god like status.

Read this Gabriela Segura, M.D., and then tell us you really know what you are talking about. If this were not true, the FDA would have destroyed Life Extension Foundation long ago. Instead, they have won every court case with the FDA. If you see anyone on their advisory board who you think is less qualified than you, please point it out to us.

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I have six doctors in my immediate family, and I have a pretty good idea of what they know, and most importantly what they do not know. Until 4 years ago, my brother, a doctor for the VA, thought Agent Orange disease was psychological, simply because he could not treat it successfully.

Medicine/medical education is like the news, its not what they tell you that causes problems, its what they do not tell you that causes the problems. Every one of the docs in my family are on long term prescription drugs. My brother and his wife spent $30k on vet bills for their dog for a condition that can be cured by a tablespoon of green drink for a month. And if you don't know what green drink is, doctor, you don't know crap about health. You only know about sickness. M.D. behind your name does not make you a God. There is nothing you know that is not known by someone who does not have the initials and a degree whose curriculum is controlled by big pharma and corpgov. I was active in Mensa for years, and you don't find a lot of docs there, because they get called on their crap all the time.

I have used MMS for years, on my wife, my friends, and on my animals and it works. Stop playing the boogie man about long term effects. It is not needed long term. Humble himself will tell you that if you don't get results in 14 days, it is probably not for you, and that you are definitely using an improper protocol. I have never needed to take it for more than 4 days except for the first detox cycle that took me to 15 drops a day. The other thing is that MMS will definitely detox you. So if you are full of crap from eating the SAD (standard american diet), when you first take it, it will not be a fun experience. People from third world countries do not have that problem nearly as much.

And you can always tell the bullshit on this site. It brings in the personal stuff about Jim Humble, rather than the results he gets. It is so 20th century to attack the messenger instead of the message.

And Rabelaise, please start making intelligent comments on this subject instead of just parroting. Who do you work for, and what is your experience with MMS? And please read the LEF page listed above before you comment again.

...about including the e-mail from Jim Humble. It was Humble himself who "brought up the personal stuff". He told Dr. Segura, "As a doctor and a member of your religion I expect you to take a little closer look." Then he once again mentions that he's a "bishop". Do you really expect Dr. Segura or SOTT to just ignore this rather blatant attempt at manipulating and confusing others?

As for your issue with doctors in general, by your own admission the doctors in your immediate family aren't very bright. That's pretty sad, but it really has nothing to do with MMS and its effects on the human body, which is the subject of Dr. Segura's article.

Research has definitely proven that chemotherapy for breast cancer is ineffective. Check out the research on lef.org for details. And one of the side effects of the chemotherapy drugs, listed right there, is CANCER. How's that for a revenue generator? This was european research, and you will have to dig to find it in the USA. Ever had someone who had chemo die of a different kind of cancer? You can thank the FDA for that.

So you have your choice, MMS which might in certain cases damage DNA and cause cancer (but officially they do not know what is causing cancer), or chemotherapy drugs which have been PROVEN to cause cancer, and will also destroy your life for a few months, if it doesn't kill you.

I would also like to point out to the good doctor that Acetic acid, known to you as vinegar, is considered more toxic than chlorine dioxide or MMS. When they sell it to you it is in a 3% solution. I dare her to take a teaspoon of 100% acetic acid before calling MMS a dangerous poison again, which I have taken at least 50 times over the years and am in better health than I was when I was 30 years old.

that MMS and chemotherapy are your only choices. She has said that they are both essentially the same! And note that she didn't say that MMS might cause DNA damage in certain cases. It causes DNA damage in ALL cases.

Just curious, you seem to be talking much about pharmaceuticals and psychiatric drugs, prescriptive effects, of which of course your MMS is also such, however, you seemed to miss the main point that Gabriela makes aside from carefully describing the obvious dangers of MMS, until of course Mr. Humble puts his scientific cards on the table - and that is;

"They should never be an option when we are able to take control of our health through diet and appropriate, real alternative health therapies."

LOL. This motivated me to register to this site because from my viewpoint the author is the psychopath here and really doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not even impressed with your college type big words.
I wouldn't be defending Jim Humble unless I myself have taken and use daily MMS and have gotten miracles since doing so 2 months ago. I realize that everyone and every psychopath doesn't have chronic health problems like I do and can function like a sane individual and can convince the naive of his having a soul. So in arguements to your attack of Mr. Humble an 82 y.o. man who has helped so many with MMS and doing what he says he does. Doesn't make money off it.
I have had a chronic sleep disorder since I was 12 and I'm now 42 and have tried everything under the sun so upon hearing about MMS this spring I wanted to of course try it. I've been into nutrition and fitness for over 30 yrs and NOTHING was working for this condition. Since taking MMS on a daily basis for 2 months I'm having the deepest beauty sleep I've EVER had in my life. And all I did was pay 20 bucks. Wouldn't you try anything to get a remedy for a chronic ailment such as this?
I realize you and your staff including Laura haven't even tried it and given it a chance and you act like you're the experts when really Mr Jim Humble IS the expert and that's why you're ripping him apart. You and your staff are the real psychopaths here because with all your fancy words and trying to look good, you haven't done the real research on yourself. As I said psychopaths can get through life in society fooling all the sheeple and those around them with a relatively healthy facade; how else could you do your dirty work?
So back to Laura who just thinks she's right about everything and she'll back you on this one too because she so called promotes health but, she's really not walking the walk just talking the talk. Just take a look at her. She's not the vision of health and beauty.
So when you get sick and really sick and hopefully dieing, doing the planet a favor, maybe you'll try MMS. It's only 20 bucks. We could use less of your kind on this planet and more of Jim Humble.
BTW the girl who wrote the article attacking Mr. Humble from the picture barely looks like she's in the 7th grade so I can see where this info is coming from boneheads!!

Some of the "healthiest" people I know have a severely limited ability to process data. Looks are but one thing, heck, look at the new ideas of differences of body types due to differing evolutionary branches. Your attack of specific people based on stupid comments just shows you have an agenda to support MMS. Let MMS speak for itself.

Whatever you say, until there is scientifically gathered analysis, there is no real debate. The same crap goes on when they say fluoridation of drinking water prevents tooth decay. They forget to take into account that people here tend to brush their teeth. So, if Jim Humble were truly into his product and wanted to help people, maybe he could release some hard data to prove his point. Those who take MMS are also trying other health treatments at the same time, like supplements. What says the MMS or the supplements helped them?

Why is there such a push for extreme treatments such as Chlorine based ones, when Vitamin C in large enough doses can help prevent oxidation and boost the immune system? Why use a sledge hammer to fix a cracked brick when a smaller tool will do?

So dachsundlover has such effective evidence, such a convincing case to make for the safety and benefits of MMS that he needs to resort to making the decisions of who DESERVES to die and who deserves to live. If anyone disagrees with his paralogical and paramoralistic claptrap, then those disagreeing clearly fall into the category of those who deserve to die, for the good of the planet, of course.

No, dachsundlover does NOT make a good case based on facts and evidence for the safety and beneficial effectiveness of MMS, but does give a very clear picture of pathological thought processes in action.

That you copied and pasted this series of personal attacks into two different articles, written by two different women. You also refer to the author as "he" in both cases. None of the baseless personal attacks you make belong in this debate, nor are they based in objective reality IMO.

Quite frankly, I think you inadvertently answered your own initial question, though you may not realize it.

"I wouldn't be defending Jim Humble unless I myself have taken and use daily MMS and have gotten miracles since doing so 2 months ago. I realize that everyone and every psychopath doesn't have chronic health problems like I do and can function like a sane individual and can convince the naive of his having a soul. So in arguements to your attack of Mr. Humble an 82 y.o. man who has helped so many with MMS and doing what he says he does. Doesn't make money off it."

Wow. There's a whole lot of, "Putting food on your family" there. Did you really just boast about how good you are at convincing the naive that you have a soul? Wow! That's one to put under glass. Astonishing!

It should be understood that the people here are deliberately learning how to spot exactly your kind of inane late night television informercial style posting for what it is. Psychopathy fails when people are informed and are able to work together.

Psychopaths are machines. They are dangerous and serve only to destroy, but they are not to be feared; not any more than fire should be feared. They can be understood and defeated because they follow the same patterns over and over. They have a certain, 'smell' --and something here stinks!

...is that its most effective result has been to muddy the waters for the REAL alternative health and medicine fields. Spreading more confusion, as well as mechanically reactive non-constructive attacks and even more divisions among people who are looking for true answers and alternatives to the ways of this diseased world are evident. Those emotionally (or otherwise) invested in MMS attack anyone who shows the real story behind the "Miracle."

The worst part is, whether intentionally or not, it also helps the quack "debunkers and quack busters" arm of the Official Medical / Pharmaceutical Mafia.

If anyone is looking for safe, effective ways to kill intrusive germs, there are other alternatives with a long track record of effectiveness and safety, such as colloidal silver. However human health is complex and should be approached in a "total health" approach. Central in this approach would be included proper diet & nutrition (including supplementation as needed), detoxifying (with diet, nutrition, supplementation also having a role), plenty of clean water, etc. all customized to the individual as much as possible. Proper breathing also goes a long way. Also detoxing mind, body, and soul are required for optimal health.

Toxic emotions and thoughts are just as detrimental as toxic foods and chemicals ingested, as well as being possibly caused by toxic foods and chemicals. Biochemical imbalances and nutritional deficiencies CAN be corrected safely and rationally. Optimal health requires knowledge, patience, and some hard work to gather and apply that knowledge and adjust the total health program to the individual's needs.

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2010-08-09T17:14:40Z

Dear SeekinTruth and all those who wrote here

I agree that toxic emotions and thoughts are detrimental as toxic foods/chemicals. What I have observed here at SOTT regarding the MMS scandal is a great deal of hatred and fear. I do not claim to know all the details of Mr. Humble, but the reactions here are disturbing in just themselves.
Truth Seekers (some) are experiencing amnesia, and seem to be forgetting their objectivity. This is disturbing. Mr. Humble may be delusional and well intentioned at the same time. He may be attacked by oppositional bloggers claiming to be him also, who are writing outlandish claims. Who REALLY knows...This is the internet...Remember that the 911 protests, original TEA party protests, World Trade protests were all infiltrated with agent provocateurs and it ruined them. The hatred here is sad. Mr.Humble may be a nut but one does not have to take MMS. Just don't. I would not.
It is sad the Laura's daughter suffered, but many people also are allergic to amoxicillin. Their airways swell up and, yes they die. Is it a rational reaction to ban all penicillin's? I think not.
Just think about it for a minute or so...Many patients are allergic to medications, that is why one is trained to explore their medical history before one prescribes a medication. I understand that Laura was very scared about what happened to her daughter. I would be too, but to launch a hate campaign against Mr. Humble is emotional, yet understandable, but I may have handled it differently. He and the world needs to be informed that MMS is proving to have some life threatening reactions in some people, and not call him names. The reactions are rare, as most people do not react this way, fortunately. Antibiotics are not to be taken everyday for extensive periods of time unless one is followed by a doctor or a nurse practitioner/P.A. Long term antibiotics will harm you, and long term use is rarely prescribed, but that does not mean they should be banned. Where is the rationality?
I am not a proponent of MMS, I was curious about when I read about it years ago, but I do not recommend it. The FDA will crack down on it, I am sure. This may be a good thing in the short run, but I do not trust the FDA as they are corrupt. Just think about Avandia, Vioxx, Celebrex...the list goes on and on. These are the folks that brought you Aspartame- Donald Rumsfeld- the man who also brought you the Iraq war. This is a very compromised organization. You want to get into bed with these psychopaths? Some Truth Seekers seem to be ready too, as soon as they feel threatened. Sad. I see very little discipline whatsoever here among some of the SOTT posters. Not all of them, naturally, but it is a drag..What I am saying here is be aware of the amnesia, fear and hate. Too much of it here. Very sad.
Also, Mr. Humble does not sell MMS. Some of the bile I read here keeps stating this. Are these folks unable to read? What the heck is wrong with you guys? If you do not like Mr. Humble, fine, leave it. Do not use MMS. Again, I do not either. Most medications do or can kill some individuals. Aspirin, can, Ibuprofen can blind you etc. Some of the reactions here are very hateful, knee jerk and irrational. Just leave it. You do not have to participate. That would be rational. I do not.
Also, the attacks on Laura are just mean too. Duncan Rhoads apologized but that may not be enough...that is between Laura and Duncan to be honest. I read Nexus but I will NOT choose sides. I left that in high school as it never works. Yes, Laura may be overweight, and yes she smokes cigarettes. No one is perfect. I am fit and do not smoke but who the F cares? These are my choices. I treat people in my clinic for these issues all day long. Some decide to change and some do not and become ill and die. It is very sad for me to watch that happen, but I am only human. I wish Laura all the love and strength in the world.This is rational and compassionate.
Final word: Let us not exterminate ourselves with bad vibes. Let us not let the bad guys win.
Mr. Humble will have to deal with what he is doing: either good or bad. Time will tell. A Deacon, Bishop or Misguided Messiah, whatever, if you do not like him-stay away. In the meantime let's all grow up a little bit and mind our own gardens.
All the Best to all the Poster's: Bile Filled or Just in a bad mood: let's cool it guys.
Love,
Ironman

Take a look at the E mail he send:
I am shocked! this man must be crazy. Did you read all this lies? What does he say he is ?
a bishop , a doctor ! Yes you hear right, a doctor!!!!!!!!! This man is dangerous !!!!!!!!!!!!

And people who don't know, believe this crap!

I'm serious this man tells lies again and again! I think he is not only a psychopath, but also has the Munchausen syndrome!

Yes, it's telling. One of them seems to like broad sweeping statements which implys that everybody else is 'not doing enough' or 'doesn't know enough' (for example: family members or govt bodies). The other seems to like the 'quick and simple fix' or 'one thing fixes everything' type phenomenon. Better not look at the facts in that instance, though.

Very curious. But then, many distractions are just that. And they seem to be reacting from an emotional level.

I notice that Humble's supporters go in for the personal attack mode. For example, everything is laid at MY feet and I am so unhealthy. Never mind that this person cannot possibly know anything about my state of health or whether or not I have tried MMS, or anything else for that matter. It seems that this individual is making judgments based on the fact that I am a large woman and, clearly, only skinny women are healthy. I should point out that these views of health vs unhealthy, are propagated by a psychopathic society that wishes to reduce all women to childlike dependence and incompetence.

Such personal attacks reveal the infantile thinking of the writer. Birds of a feather and all that.

certainly brought the psychopaths out of the closet.
Their irrational attacks on Laura and Sott and Doctor Sigura are obviously superficial, shallow and without intellectual merit.
They remind me of Vinnie Bridges who can't open his mouth without putting his foot into it.

System
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2010-08-10T02:04:15Z

Yes, Laura : )

The personal attacks are sad and demeaning and add nothing to a rational or intelligent discussion. The idea that all lean people are healthy and heavier people are not is not scientific at all. I have had many lean patients die from heart attacks and heavier (not morbidly obese) patients do fine. The work of Brian Peskin is interesting and getting noticed more. Dr. Mercola has also taken an interest in Brian's work. Brian's attention to clean Omega 3 and 6 oils is wonderful. I have had great results with these oils in my patient population. This is NOT fish oil but organic cold pressed essential fatty acid oils that protect and feed the body. If one is interested, find Mr. Peskin online and educate yourself. Let us take control of our lives, minds and bodies and decide for ourselves. Hate, fear, attacks etc is just what TPTB want. Do not fall for it. Remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T and L-O-V-E. Character assassination is a tool of fear and hate. Give it up. Rock on Laura!
Cheers
Ironman

gotta love how asking for facts and evidence equals attacking Humble and those claiming attack are doing the same thing themselves with slurs and insults.

System
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2010-08-10T11:43:37Z

Daime...

Having a discussion or requesting facts or evidence does not equal an attack. The problems lie in the fashion and the language used to elicit the said facts and evidence. Read the articles (both-particularly the "debate" in the second article) and re-read your post. This may or may not address what you wrote. I search the internet for good decent areas to discuss these non-mainstream issues and find the same hate and brainwash over and over. Alex Jones is compromised, although a broken clock is correct twice a day, Project Camelot is all over the place and now feuding and divided (they may be making up but jeez guys,....). It may be hard for me to admit that the bad guys are winning...can't we all get along....I refuse to give up. This post was not aimed at you Daime altogether. I am leaving here for good. Laura does some good work and I will continue to read her stuff but I will no longer participate here. It was a fun week though...!
Cheers
Ironman

I used MMS for the first time earlier this year for a cold I'd had for weeks that wasn't budging. Within a couple of days the cold had gone...and I did keep "going". Coincidence - very possibly.
Anyway I'd still rather trust this stuff than the other discrecited MMS - The Minerals Management Service!

If you were on a gluten and dairy free diet, took the correct supplements for detoxification, dealt with your stress, you probably would never get the cold in the first place. And, if you DO get a cold, there are many more body-friendly methods of getting rid of it than killing the cells in your body along with the invaders.

But, as a person who have studied a lot of poisons and remedies in his life, I'm a very confused.
I mean, it's like calling "Clorox" a miracle drug, when it's just an OK oxidizing dessinfectant. Sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl) (MMS2 is an clorinated lime, which is mainly hopochlorite, seen as oxidant, anyway). The chemistry for sodium chlorite (NaClO2), as it reacts with reducing agents, is a little bit different, like Peroxide solution or chlorinated water.
It's OK with appropriate use of oxidizers, but saying they are miracle drugs, it's plain wrong!
Comparing their narrow gap of safety by ingestion, to the possible allergic reactions from penicillines, is NOT very relevant...

Allow me to add my two cents to this MMS discussion (or controversy). When I first read about MMS I was skeptical like a lot of people. As a former medical student I have some good knowledge of human anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and I always make it a habit to keep informed about the latest medical news since I have an extensive familiarity with medical terminology. But I also have a deep interest in alternative medicine having seen early on the limits and the selective vision of orthodox medicine.

For the past 17 years I' ve had what is called idiopathic allergy (unidentifiable causes) for which I have taken different prescription drugs. Finally when Zyrtec (Cetirizine) came out, I found out it worked best for me (makes me drowsy though) and I've been taking it at least twice a week ever since. A few months ago I decided to give MMS a try after reading extensively about it (pros and cons). However when I started taking it I didn't have my allergy in mind at all: I decided to try it as a prevention against the H1N1 pandemic that was supposed to wipe out half of the planet (remember?) and I did not trust that vaccine they wanted everybody to take...

At first I took MMS for 5 days straight (increasing the doses slowly as suggested in the protocol). I started at 5 drops right away even though Jim advised to start with one or two drops. I did not make it to the maximum 15 drops morning and night as recommended since the nausea was a little too much to bear (but I was aware that would happen so I did not worry much about it). But in spite of the nausea I could continue to do my things, so it wasn't that bad. I quickly found out that 9 drops was the limit I could reach without nausea. I took a break for a few days and I did it again for 3 days straight and afterwards I kept a maintenance dose of 5 drops once a week for one month. No problem... No side-effects up to now.

After the third week on the maintenance dose I accidentally noticed that I had run out of Cetirizine, so my first though was to go to the pharmacy to get some more (you can get the generic now without a Rx) but I decided to wait and see if the MMS was having any effect on my allergy at all. Bear in mind that for the past 17 years if I would go 4-5 days without taking Cetirizine my skin would start to get progressively itchy to the point where I would have read patches all over and working or doing any household tasks would be almost impossible (I would scratch myself almost non-stop and become very irritated as you can imagine).

Low and behold, no allergy, no scratching after a whole week of not taking Cetirizine! 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, still no allergy and no medication needed! This had NEVER happened before in the past 17 years! After almost half a year now I can say without a doubt that MMS took care of whatever was causing my allergy since I was taking no prescription drug. I can even eat shellfish now with any problem (which would make itch like crazy before)! Even my wife is impressed given that she was strongly opposed to me taking MMS to begin with. I haven't mentioned any of this to my good doctor as I know he would not believe me... I don't blame him: he's so biased against anything not approved by a Medical Board that he's incapable of accepting that something like MMS would do what several prescription drugs could not do. And that would a waste of time to try to convince him!

My theory (based on my readings) is that most allergies are caused by a type of fungus and MMS seems to work wonders against fungus... Now I've also read that there might be a link between some types of cancer and fungus but I'm not going there since I'm no expert on any of this.

Those of you who are so quick to condemn MMS as a hoax, my question to you is this: Do you really know what you're talking about? Are you talking from experience? Well, at least I am... I wouldn't say that MMS would work for everyone (nothing does!) nor that it is without side-effects (anyway some fools will not follow the safe protocols recommended by Jim) but it seems that it has worked for a lot of people out there. And you can ignore that if you want, but I can assure you that MMS is not going away in spite of the scaremongering that apparently this website (which I like by the way) and the FDA have been pushing. They cannot ban it since it's easy to make if you can't buy it from a vendor and I will make sure I always have some in my medicine cabinet.

Now I find it weird that SOTT has been so quick to swallow the FDA propaganda on this issue when in the past they have always been highly skeptical or critical of the FDA and the medical establishment. Quite frankly I'm puzzled. Could it have anything to do with the recent spat between Laura and Nexus when she was dropped from the Nexus Conference in Amsterdam back in May 2010 in favor of Jim Humble? Well, I think Laura should just let go of the resentment and move on.

MMS should be scrutinized just like like everything else and Jim Humble should not be above criticism either but you cannot just disregard the many credible testimonies of people (like me) for whom MMS has been quite helpful and in some cases a miracle drug when nothing else has worked.

Thanks to MMS I don't have to buy and take any more Rx drugs for an allergy I've been suffering from for 17 years! And many expensive lab tests have not been able to identify the cause of it!

Some of you are asking for verifiable, documented proof... Well in the field of alternative medicine, verifiable, documented proof is hard to find for the simple reason that rigorous scientific studies cost a lot of money these days and only big pharmaceutical companies and governmental institutions can afford such huge sums of money and they must have a clear financial interest in initiating such studies to begin with. So based on that I guess the whole field of alternative medicine can be regarded as a giant hoax and you should only trust MDs in white coats with your health (or disease)!

I meant to say Duncan Roads' response showed the resentment, not Jim Humble.

System
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2010-10-29T04:15:01Z

Comulative poison? Other errors

Chlorine dioxide is an oxidizer and as it oxidizes it is changed chemically. It can't accumulate because it disappears. In one to three hours it turns into Sodium Chloride and oxygen.

The statement that it is cumulative is simply ignorant of the chemistry of ClO2, Certain foreign chemicals accumulate (e.g., DDT), others do not. Ethanol is a poison as well, and kills brain cells every time you get inebriated, but you know that it leaves the body and is metabolized, and happily drink it.

I think MMS (MMS1) is safe, I have been using it for three weeks with no adverse effects. I am not so sure about MMS2, but mostly in is not needed since MMS1 works so well for so many things.

Whether MMS1 affects any normal cells is questionable. Ozone and H2O2 do attack cells because their redox potential is high enough to take electrons from any call. Chlorine Dioxide has a lower redox potential yjam cells so it may ignore them and hence it doesn't attract electrons from cellular molecules. If it did it would quickly be consumed and very little would remain for seeking and destroying the pathogens.

Also it may be called "a bleach" but should not be said to be bleach. The average person will interpret that to mean household bleach, sodium hypochlorite. H2O2, hydrogen peroxide, is approved for use in food processing and it is also a powerful bleach. Chlorine dioxide is also a bleach but it is not the bleach used in your laundryroom.

The writer should read Walter Last's pages on MMS, as well as Dr Hesselink's paper on the chemistry.

Check out this video: [Link]
You should know that there are reports of people having death threatening symptoms with only one drop of MMS1. Each one of us is different, some may handle toxins better than others.The damage can certainly be cumulative as we are exposed to all kinds of toxins on a daily basis, some may get sick after a long period of time, others have immediate reactions. We have great healing and regenerative capacities, but the toxin burden in this world is great and it may tip off causing health problems any given time we cross a certain limit.

I am having a similar experience as Milareap with MMS. It is not chlorine bleach, and breaks down to table salt, and then is eliminated from your body. In fact, some people are taking it in conjunction with dmho, a carrier, in order to carry it where it needs to go before it breaks down.

Regarding Jim Humble. I just can't figure out what he's gaining in all of this except a big headache. There is no doubt the FDA is gunning for him, and the reason is obvious. IF MMS

This shows you how it works: [Link]
And here is a National Institute of Health report: [Link]

Oops, I forgot to finish. I was just going to say if MMS does work, even half as well as the claims, not only does Big Pharma have a lot to lose, but so does the alternative industry. Having said that, I'm not saying MMS is for everyone or that it works as well as the claims, or that Jim Humble is as pure as the driven snow...I have no idea. However, I do know the FDA, the CDC and all of the government agencies do not care about anything but ensuring that the corporations and the power elite stay wealthy and powerful.

This is my thought. The agencies don't care one bit if we get sick and die, likely they'd prefer it. So why this all out attack on MMS? Humble doesn't make any money from it, he doesn't hold a patent on it nor does he personally sell it. There's got to be a reason why they are going after it this heavily....

You shouldn't go too far to one extreme. There is still a functioning system within the FDA that is tasked with honestly looking for dangerous "medicines" and banning them. MMS falls into this category.

I suggest as well that this should be read before concluding what is pure and simple, which it is not, evidently. Especially when you digest this intricate logical information about a purely logical look at it. Read it all, then make a logical comment to either refute or concur, not just dismiss.

I think before making statements like chlorine dioxide changes or causes damage to a users DNA. We should take a look at the DNA of the hundreds of thousands of people who have already successfully treated themselves for one condition or the other with MMS then make statements and present facts based on those results. Has anyone conducted tests on actual MMS users? It would be simple enough to do. Gabriela Segura, M.D is leaning the way she is for whatever reason. Many other Medical Doctors do not agree with her. Some of her claims are simply not true and she should know from her own experience with chemistry that chlorine dioxide is not bleach and does not leave behind any harmful breakdown products. She has her references listed. Most of the references posted provide information about hypochlorous acid and not much supporting her claims about chlorine dioxide. Be advised that many other scientific references exist that give a completely different opinion in favor of chlorine dioxide and hypochlorous acid being used internally in humans. Additionally, DMSO has been FDA approved for use in humans for many years specifically for interstitial cystitis and other medical conditions as well. I’m very sure that Dr. Segura can give us some examples of traditional medications we use everyday that are much more toxic and dangerous to our bodies that any of these that we are talking about here.

I'm all for carefully checking out people who sell cures for anything on the net. The more thoroughly they are checked the better. But let that checking come from people who know something about the subject. Segura obviously knew nothing. She is totally unqualfied to give a valid critique of the topic she herself opened.
Everything she said is shredded in the MMS forum, and with good reason.
Let her study the subject and technical details first before she opens her mouth again about it.
Knowing practically nothing about it brings up the question why she came up with her ctiticism in the first place. It cannot be her disagreement with material questions, she doesn't even understand them. So what put her up to it? For what reason?
Anyway, not a good show.
I have been studying this material for some time now, still undecided, and I'm looking for valid criticism of MMS, but Segura's is not. If critics cannot come up with something better than her, I may yet become a user.

Hi, i'm Andrew and i'm 24 years old taking MMS. I notice that you have no physiological proof that it can cause severe damage to your body. You're also saying that MMS causes diseases such as cancer. Where is the proof? EVERYONE has cancer cells in the body, it's only bad if there's a billion of it. You've only named such diseases anyone can still get while using MMS on and off. This is obsurd!

Thanks to MMS and Mr Humble. My family has been using MMS for years, whenever necessary and with nothing but success. Babies, kids, parents, granddad, dogs, cats. Its the only "meds" we need; no docs. Its dirt cheap too, so we're good, real good.

Quote-"Now get this: the MMS protocol suggests that taking up to 60 drops per day is within reason."

I'm not sure where this dose comes from, but it seems abnormally high. Several years ago I tried MMS and the info I was reading suggested 5 drops at a time.

Jim Humble released MMS to the public. He doesn't make a dime off of the sale of MMS. He fled to Central America years ago and lives there because of the FDA persecution.

As others have suggested, MMS is a water sanitizer, just like the chlorine they use to clean tap water. So if you eat or drink anything in the US, your consuming some amount of bleach. It's the same.

I said this in the other article about MMS, but given the media's demonizing of MMS, it wouldn't surprise me to find that MMS cured some engineered disease they don't want cured. Why else go after it this heavily?

In my fight against Lyme disease I'd often heard about MMS/CD (chlorine dioxide) but dismissed it as being too "out there" and because I suffered from chemical sensitivities. However after two years of unsuccessful treatment and several different people encouraging me to try it I decided to give it a test run by giving it to a horse with a serious fungal eye infection and then a dog with skin cancer. When both conditions cleared up with only seemingly positive side effects to the animals (clearer eyes, healthier coat, more energy) I finally decided to give it a try buy starting out with very small doses. I immediately felt "clearer" and more energetic and in a better mood.. this encouraged me to work up slowly to therapuetic doses and now a couple of months later many of the symptoms of Lyme disease that I suffered from are gone and I'm convinced for the first time in several years that I've finally found a solution to chronic Lyme. I only wish I had tried it sooner. I highly recommend that anyone with a chronic health condition caused by pathogens give it a try. I'm VERY sensitive to chemicals and anything less than ideal for the body and MMS has only done me good.

Doctors are not chemist to be use as expert to talk about chemistry. They don't even remember the course in chemistry they took in the three year pre medical courses. And you can see that in the different mix of concept that Dr. Segura have in her presentation. There no damage in DNA with Chlorine Dioxide.
The firsts time I hear about MMS and the miracle cures I start laughing about Mr. Jim Humble. So I bought his book and start reading and my laughing continue. But I got a problem that my doctor was unable to resolved and I not the person that accept just one advice as the final. So I decided in January 2014 that I going to give a try to MMS after watching videos of Kerri Rivera and the Autism Kids that recovered after been exposed to this solution. At first I don't like the smell is clearly Nauseous as the MSDS explain. So I have to find a ways to keep my nose away from that gas. I used from the end of January to December 2014. But in that year I make changes to the original method of Jim Humble because discover in the lab that was not need of activation in order to get the production of Chlorine Dioxide. How I discovered. Well after I decided to used I join the group of discussion and there was a very strong disagreement in the equivalence of two products that they was promoting CDS and MMS. They was arguing that 1 ml of CDS was equivalent to 3 drops of MMS. For a chemist like me that will be a very easy test to perform. Make a calibration curve an plot the reading of the CDS sample and see if that correct. Well turn out very interesting result, First that MMS does not need to be activated in order to be consume. The stomach has the potential to produce the Chlorine Dioxide by itself just use a Carbohydrate water like Sugar water and the drops of Sodium Chlorite and you will be able to produce the same result. Second the CDS solution was equivalent to .66 drops of MMS so the assumption of 3 drops was completely wrong. After find those error I expose the truth and was Kick out of the forum because I was against Jim Humbles Believe. I continue my research and continue using Sodium Chlorite solution without activation and was able to cure myself from the virus that the doctor said was incurable. After been free of the virus for a year I ask the same doctor that said is impossible to write a order for a test named RNA PCR that is able to trace the DNA of the virus and report the presence in your body. It came out Negative. Let me explain to you that read my story, It will be impossible to Sodium Chlorite to be successful if I was not aware of the different ways Virus behave so I use a systemic Parasite killer to help me get rid of the host that protect the virus from the action of Chlorine Dioxide. So I kill the parasite that protect the virus and exposed to the Chlorine Dioxide and was eliminated. It been 17 month already and still waiting response from my doctor after see the result from the lab.
After my kick out of the forum I decide to open a place where people can discussed openly the benefit of the use of this substance without activation also presented to the Autism community that was using the old method and was rejected by the American group the Spanish group accepted and started using the new method. Right now we have 290 kid in south America using the method and the result has been very impressive more effective than the acidified method of Jim Humble. Has not been 10 month of use and have 6 kid already out of diagnose with ATEC less than 10. And have 118 kid that was originally over 90 in ATEC that now is less than 50. From that group 39 are in the low level of ATEC less than 30. As a chemist I think all of you has been extremely drive by the word of people that did not have knowledge about how chemistry work and how a change in atom and concentration can make difference in how a cell behave. Just a little change in pH can make your cell behave different. Before Talk investigate and try. You can't use Sodium Chlorite straight from the bottle has to be dilute and prepared your body before start using. Clean your stomach first with Honey and Cinnamon that will help the good absorption and a good production of HCL. Without a good production of HCL in your stomach you CAN'T use this salt. For that reason LAURA have problem, and all the people that with one drop get sick. Their stomach are not producing enough acid. And PLEASE stop using the word BLEACH. People that read you will believe you are talking about the HOUSEHOLD BLEACH they all have at home that one is POISON. Hope my experience give you the opportunity to think better about Sodium Chlorite and be more responsible about the use of a chemical that can same your life but has to be correctly used not as you wish. IS NOT A MIRACLE is CHEMISTRY at work.