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Hey there, just i've seen no comments yet, so i think i can say smth. No opinions about singing as i'm so new to that can't comment but can give some op about the music.

1) i like the lyrics,

2) you can reach high notes there!!!

3) i would try to think out the riff / strumming pattern that is easy to perceive and perfectly the same so you can recognize it and anchor to it when you are listener (maybe it's already done but during few times that i listened i couldn't perceive that easily, so let's count on a non musician who listens to it)

4) breaks of some kind between strofa/ chorus, otherwise you can't perceive where one ends and other starts.

5) some instrumental add-ons like intro and in between so they can help point 4, of course you could add some bass and drums that would make things easier to listen but of course additional headache hehe

i think that you are on a good path. few more arrangement steps and that will be ok

Hey, sorry man, I listened to this a while ago and thought I responded. Sometimes my posts get a "will be posted after approved" message and I forget about it. I think it's a bug in the system.

Anyway, I can go more in-depth if you like, but I don't think your pitch is that bad, actually. In fact, that's not what I'd work on primarily if I were you. You're right, it is easy for some pseudo vocal coaches to target the "low hanging fruit" and point out when a student is off key or sounds bad. It's often pretty obvious, and the earlier portions of my vocal training I was sent home to practice vocal scales with a piano or guitar more times than I care to count. This frustrated me, and in my opinion, my time could have been better spent. It wasn't because I thought my pitch was fine... I knew it was off. I had just done so many scales by then that I didn't think they were the solution. The thing that finally clicked for me was tone. Get the tone right. Find a few notes you think you can sound out "correctly" for sure. That means open, not choked, and with managed tension (for me it was very low tension anywhere, but I'm hesitant to say this because it's different for people depending on their physical conditioning). Work from there. Once you have a solid, technically sound tone, THEN I'd say work on your pitch. Good tonal quality is representative of good technique, and it'll do wonders to improve your pitch straight away, and from there you can hone. I look back on all my hours doing fast scales... I was improving endurance and some supporting muscles (it's hard not to when you're doing hours of anything), but I can't help but think another five, ten, fifteen years of doing it that way wouldn't have rendered much improvement. Let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to hit me up on social media too.

Yeah, man. Your experience mirrors mine a lot. It's one of the reasons this forum has been such a blessing to me. Whether it's you or Bob or anyone else here, nobody has ever told me, "Come back when you're on pitch" LOL I always get encouragement AND helpful suggestions for how to be better.

Because let me tell you... my favorite advice of all time is "Go work on your pitch. Try doing scales and exercises daily." If these pseudo-coaches knew how many hours a week I put into this... LOL

In the meantime, I've swallowed my pride and started using Melodyne to tighten up my demos. If I wasn't putting in the work to be a better singer, I'd call this lazy cheating. But because I'm just trying to get decent sounding demos, I'm just gonna hang my head in shame and do what I gotta do LOL

If you get a minute, would love to hear your thoughts on this updated mix!

@KaiEllis Again, sorry for the late reply. I keep seeing notifications when I can't immediately reply, like when I'm at work.

It sounds good man, watch out for going too narrow on certain parts of the song. I'll list some examples I picked out in the first part of the song.

The following words:

newsdrowncallin'The line of "I start stallin'"

Seem unnecessarily narrowed. Physiologically, it seems like your larynx is getting too high. Focus on keeping some low end to your tone and that may help keep your larynx chilling out instead of stressing out. Also, as low as the note "callin'" is, I don't think it has to be modified to "gallin'". That was one of the few words I had to look at your lyrics for.

Also the line "that's just salt," you may be trying to be more gentle. However, the way it's supported is a bit unusual, and the cappricio vibrato that happens on "salt" happens as a result. I think your body isn't sure how to approach that tone with those vowels. Find the spot and then make it lighter if you want that kind of emotion.

Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions on what I mean. I don't mind demonstrating the difference if you think it'll help. I definitely don't make any claims to be an amazing singer, but I'm also not just a keyboard critic. Best of luck singing to you, brother.