HarveyH55 wrote:James, you've obviously haven't read the complaint yourself, and only relying on other people's interpretation of the facts. The media sensationalize a lot of stuff, to keep you coming back for more. It's a creative interpretation, fantasy, and usually forgive, do to the lack of information available. As long as the keep it to opinion, nothing ever comes of it. They can pretty much write anything they like, doesn't have to be accurate.

The CIA agent, yeah, I guess people around him aren't very loyal to him either, who wrote the complaint, clearly, and repeatedly makes clear that he didn't personally witness, or observe any of it. It's all based on conversation he had, or heard. It's yet to be established, if any of those people, had first hand knowledge, or just repeating what they were told, or heard other say.

It still seems kind of odd, that there would be a room full of people taking notes, for every presidential phone call, when recording it, would serve the same purpose, and be more accurate and complete. Does Trump's closest staff members go to the note taking room, every time he picks up the phone? I would think note takers are very high level employees, probably assigned specifically to the task, degree of loyalty unknown.

I'm not sure what all goes on in the White House, but this is the first ime I've heard about a CIA agent assigned there, to spy...

What about what Trump's own appointee testified to congress about. What were "HIS" words. You simply don't care. What I know is that if Trump gets impeached you can't blame the Democrats but will. You're a great guy and you are an avid Trump supporter because he's a great guy as well. Yet if his own party is out to have him removed from office because they prefer Pence, where does that leave you? Myself, I happen to agree with President Trump's National Security Advisor. Trump appointed him so he is Trump's man.

Did you actually listen to any of the testimony, or as usual, you rely entirely on the leftist summaries? Maguire held up pretty good, I didn't catch it all, but think I heard enough how the rest went. The questions were tough, and he was repeatedly pressed toward drawing conclusion, or giving opinions on hypothetical, which he refused to do. It's a tough game to avoid for hours. You have to focus on the facts, and what you know to be true, anything else will be used, either as a fact, or as a lie. In this case, had he guessed at something, it would be used as fact, if it hurt Trump. If his guess didn't help, but later was proven wrong, it would be treat as he lied, possible prosecuted as such. He's only been on the job about 6 weeks, so didn't like have much to contribute, that they already knew, or thought the knew. From the parts I listened to, he confirmed very little of the hype.

I doubt seriously the who republican party wants Trump out, he's doing a good job, just his methods aren't normal politics. Might be a few republicans, up for re-election, who aren't pleased with having to deal with this garbage, and hold on to their seats. Make's it a tougher fight, some already are facing tough competition. Politics are like that, you have to get the right distance, to appeal to the most voters. Pence, would be sort of middle ground, little more level headed, politics oriented, but likely to continue the work, Trump started. Pence would likely do a better job, less drama. Not sure if Pence is a leader, or better as second in command. Not very many vice-presidents went on to be elected president, maybe a dozen or so. Few were from deaths, think Ford was the only one through resignation.

I don't understand why you don't relax. Biden is already out of the running and he's going to go down for his corruption. Trump can't even run in 2024.

Why won't you just join in and help make America great again instead of working to thwart the effort? After all, it's the country and all of us that matter.

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The House, well democrats in general, have really been doing their jobs for the past three years or so. Their sole focus has been on stopping Trump. They started, even before he got elected. Been their only job ever since, to stop Trump from accomplishing anything, an try to kick him out of the White House. I don't know Trump, but he puts on a show for the cameras, but he can be very serious we he needs to. He behaves proper and appropriate when the guest of foreign leaders. He is also a proper host, when he invites them over here. He doesn't clown around for the cameras. He confines his foolishness for the free-face time the media gives him, and campaign related speeches. Pretty sure he's a different sort of person, sitting at a desk, doing his job.

Personally, I think the American people deserve a refund, for all the wasted hours, our representatives in Congress were paid for, but didn't actually do anything to earn. That's a hefty chunk of cash, for three years wasted. Not sure what their average salary is, but AOC, gets $175,000, first year.

IBdaMann wrote:Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

One of our strengths is that we don't swear allegiance to our Fuhrer or take loyalty oaths to our government. We should always improve and call BS anywhere we see it.

The blind faith Trumps basket of deplorables have in him is the greatest danger I've ever seen the country face.

You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump calling for a ban on Muslims become a "lie" in you twisted mind).

It's been a right wing movement for a while. Smart people like Limbaugh and Coulter doing there best to make reality itself debatable (only democrats run up the deficit in their book for example).

And we now face it here on this forum in the form of you and ITN. You're here to try and destroy the value of science entirely. To destroy what you view as the enemy your "side" faces.

Just remember that your "Art of the deal" blow hard is the most hated man I've ever known of. Polls can't capture the level of contempt there is for that moron. He's the most destructive force this countries had in the last 40 years at least.

If it was a business the board of directors would be crazy not to force him out.

@Harvey55, if it were up to me, the Democrats wouldn't bother with anything to do with impeachment. In a game of chess it won't help them next year. With me, I think we need a 3rd viable political party before anything matters. Until that happens it will be Democrats VS Republicans. That's a waste of time. It's nothing more than a political Civil War and those can last decades or more. And if Trump is impeached it will only be because Republicans want their party back. So the Democrats would be working to make Republicans look good because the Republicans would take credit for the end result. That's politics.

Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

IBdaMann wrote:Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

One of our strengths is that we don't swear allegiance to our Fuhrer

What Fuhrer. This isn't Germany. There is no Fuhrer.

tmiddles wrote:or take loyalty oaths to our government.

Our government is created by the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the several states. Those documents declare and define the government. If you want to renounce your citizenship, go right ahead. Move elsewhere.

tmiddles wrote:We should always improve and call BS anywhere we see it.

I call BS. I don't think you're going to renounce your citizenship openly, just effectively do the same thing informally.

tmiddles wrote:The blind faith Trumps basket of deplorables

You just called half the nation 'deplorables' again. That's no way to win votes.

tmiddles wrote:have in him is the greatest danger I've ever seen the country face.

Only to liberals and socialists. They want to destroy the country anyway.

tmiddles wrote:You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump calling for a ban on Muslims become a "lie" in you twisted mind).

He never called for a ban on Muslims. RDCF.

tmiddles wrote:It's been a right wing movement for a while.

Never. RDCF.

tmiddles wrote:Smart people like Limbaugh and Coulter doing there best to make reality itself debatable (only democrats run up the deficit in their book for example).

Buzzword fallacy. Define 'reality'.

tmiddles wrote:And we now face it here on this forum in the form of you and ITN. You're here to try and destroy the value of science entirely.

No, that would be YOU. Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is denying the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is YOU that is denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law. It is YOU that is denying the 1st law of thermodynamics.

tmiddles wrote:To destroy what you view as the enemy your "side" faces.

Nah. You defeated yourself.

tmiddles wrote:Just remember that your "Art of the deal" blow hard is the most hated man I've ever known of.

Is that why he's able to make so many deals with people?

tmiddles wrote:Polls can't capture the level of contempt there is for that moron.

News polls don't capture anything. They're utterly useless.

tmiddles wrote:He's the most destructive force this countries had in the last 40 years at least.

What has he destroyed, other than liberal policies that go against the Constitution?

tmiddles wrote:If it was a business the board of directors would be crazy not to force him out.

James___ wrote:Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

IBdaMann wrote:Why won't you just join in and help make America great again...

One of our strengths is that we don't swear allegiance to our Fuhrer or take loyalty oaths to our government.

As usual, EVADING the question. No one asked you to worship anyone. You were asked why you don't join in the making of America great again. America. You, know, the country you said you wanted to keep improving in a previous post.

Have you seen those unemployment figures? Did you catch that new Canada-US-Mexico trade deal? Did you hear about that tax reform?

All anyone hears out of you is your attempts to thwart America being great. All you have in response is the totally * L - A - M - E * attempts to paint the source of America's improvement as Hitler.

Did I mention how * L - A - M - E * that is.

Essentially, you are digging-in and doubling down on being part of the problem.

tmiddles wrote: We should always improve and call BS anywhere we see it.

... and that's exactly what I doing with you. You're the problem we need to fix. As long as people understand how to "read" your posts.

tmiddles wrote: The blind faith Trumps basket of deplorables have in him is the greatest danger I've ever seen the country face.

You are Hillary Clinton. Now everything is coming into a much clearer focus. No wonder you can't manage to eke out an honest post.

You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump trying to secure our borders and to protect Americans and the country's resources as evil in your twisted mind).

You've been dishonest since you have arrived on this site. One might speculate that you were dishonest prior to your arrival as well. A bad seed. Smart people like Limbaugh and Coulter doing there best to be part of the solution and not exacerbate the numerous problems we already have. Seeing as how Trump has us finally on the right track, I think it would be worth having a government without any Democrats (or other leftists) for a few years; we might even be able to cure world hunger!

Yes, Democrats have been exposed as being the problem that needs to be solved.

And now you bring it to this forum, trying to destroy the value of science entirely, to destroy what you view as the enemy your precious Global Warming religion.

Just remember that your "deplorables" are resolved to fixing this country's problems while you mindlessly hate on command. You don't even know Donald Trump. You were simply ordered to "attack" and you obeyed. Polls can't capture the level of contempt there is among We the People for the mindless tools like you who are willing to be someone's slave just for a fleeting feeling of acceptance. You are the most destructive force this country has had in the last 50 years at least.

If America were a business, We the People would be clamoring to have Donald Trump tell you "You're FIRED!" (and I never watched a single episode of that program)

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James___ wrote:Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem. As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.
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James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James__, what if the doctor does a great job, fixes you and then goes above and beyond to cure other ills that you have at the same time ... you'd certainly "deal with it," right?

We the People will "deal with it" just fine with Trump.

Biden is a non-issue. He's irrelevant. Biden will (likely) be prosecuted for his corruption. There doesn't seem to be any Trump corruption so all these baseless accusations are ultimately going to be a win for him.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James__, what if the doctor does a great job, fixes you and then goes above and beyond to cure other ills that you have at the same time ... you'd certainly "deal with it," right?

We the People will "deal with it" just fine with Trump.

Biden is a non-issue. He's irrelevant. Biden will (likely) be prosecuted for his corruption. There doesn't seem to be any Trump corruption so all these baseless accusations are ultimately going to be a win for him.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

James___ wrote:Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem. As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

You had cancer, the doctor removed it 9 years ago, and hasn't come back. Not sure why that's a mistake, or upset over surviving. You do realize, that it's possible for people to be afflicted by more than on health problem during their life? What you do, is you deal with your problems, not complain about them. Like I told you last time, go to your doctor, for get your surgery, unless asked about it. Just tell the doctor you symptoms, let him diagnosis the problem from there. You need to quit telling them what your diagnosis is, and what they need to do to fix it. You are not a doctor, nor have the education in that field, to make a wild guess. If your doctor refers you to a 'specialist', you should go, since not all problems are physiological.

Iraq... Like I mentioned before, Saddam bragged and boasted a lot, and had the means to obtain weapons of mass destruction. We wouldn't have known, until after we took him down. We had every right to do so, since he didn't comply with the inspections he agreed to, after Daddy Bush took him out to woodshed, in the first gulf war. Iraq is a big country, just because we didn't find them, doesn't mean they never existed, or aren't still there. Not sure why Saddam's relationship was with terrorists, but I don't think they were friends. They weren't training there, or practicing on citizens, like most of the other countries around there. Saddam might have allow passage through Iraq, or his guards had an arrangement, but they weren't hanging around in Iraq. Saddam didn't like to share, be threatened, or take crap off anyone, even his own people. The heavy fisted dictator, absolute power.

As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

Not sure what this is suppose to mean. The Biden clip I linked, didn't say where it came from. Didn't seem to matter, since it was Biden, and the full account, in his own words, on video. Are you saying it was altered? Did Biden later admit it was a lie? I remembered the Hunter issue from 2016, Trump was campaigning.

With Trump, does the House have documents showing that the Ukraine knew the aid money was on hold? They say two days before the call. Pretty sure that money wasn't in a hurry to get there, Ukraine wouldn't have know, unless told. Hunter Biden got millions out of his Ukraine gig, not all of it salary either. His California law firm was wired money several times, each for $89,000... Isn't $90,000 and above, the threshold for special attention from the government?

James___ wrote:What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

James__, what if the doctor does a great job, fixes you and then goes above and beyond to cure other ills that you have at the same time ... you'd certainly "deal with it," right?

We the People will "deal with it" just fine with Trump.

Biden is a non-issue. He's irrelevant. Biden will (likely) be prosecuted for his corruption. There doesn't seem to be any Trump corruption so all these baseless accusations are ultimately going to be a win for him.

James___ wrote: This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11.

James___ wrote:Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem. As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

You had cancer, the doctor removed it 9 years ago, and hasn't come back. Not sure why that's a mistake, or upset over surviving. You do realize, that it's possible for people to be afflicted by more than on health problem during their life? What you do, is you deal with your problems, not complain about them. Like I told you last time, go to your doctor, for get your surgery, unless asked about it. Just tell the doctor you symptoms, let him diagnosis the problem from there. You need to quit telling them what your diagnosis is, and what they need to do to fix it. You are not a doctor, nor have the education in that field, to make a wild guess. If your doctor refers you to a 'specialist', you should go, since not all problems are physiological.

Iraq... Like I mentioned before, Saddam bragged and boasted a lot, and had the means to obtain weapons of mass destruction. We wouldn't have known, until after we took him down. We had every right to do so, since he didn't comply with the inspections he agreed to, after Daddy Bush took him out to woodshed, in the first gulf war. Iraq is a big country, just because we didn't find them, doesn't mean they never existed, or aren't still there. Not sure why Saddam's relationship was with terrorists, but I don't think they were friends. They weren't training there, or practicing on citizens, like most of the other countries around there. Saddam might have allow passage through Iraq, or his guards had an arrangement, but they weren't hanging around in Iraq. Saddam didn't like to share, be threatened, or take crap off anyone, even his own people. The heavy fisted dictator, absolute power.

As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

Not sure what this is suppose to mean. The Biden clip I linked, didn't say where it came from. Didn't seem to matter, since it was Biden, and the full account, in his own words, on video. Are you saying it was altered? Did Biden later admit it was a lie? I remembered the Hunter issue from 2016, Trump was campaigning.

With Trump, does the House have documents showing that the Ukraine knew the aid money was on hold? They say two days before the call. Pretty sure that money wasn't in a hurry to get there, Ukraine wouldn't have know, unless told. Hunter Biden got millions out of his Ukraine gig, not all of it salary either. His California law firm was wired money several times, each for $89,000... Isn't $90,000 and above, the threshold for special attention from the government?

You sound like a moron Harvey. I am also mindful that you live alone. I guess that's because your opinion means that much to you. Just no compromising in you. I'm not that way.

Harvey, I actually think you are very sick. Trying to shame a cancer survivor because they'd like to have a life in the US. That is absolutely morbid. That's basically what Nazis were accused of. Or are you saying that when Nazis did experiments on people that as long as they were alive, what's the problem again because there isn't one.

You know what Harvey,, don't worry about it. I've never heard someone say that the US is a good place to live. I've never heard anyone say that they have a good life. Things Americans don't say.
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James___ wrote:Who else besides Billy knew about his recording? It's possible that his firing was because of when the recording became known. The FBI was also criticized for when it made information known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bush

I doubt that tape was a secret, likely shared quite a bit. Hot-mike stuff like that is gold. Probably just amusing locker room talk at the time, several copies made. Not sure how Hilary got a hold of it, but that's what the Clinton's were good at. The Clintons were involved in the Russian investigation as well, but never investigate for their part. They essentially paid to get the ball rolling, and it really should have been investigated. They've had a few other questionable dealings, that never gotten the attention anyone else would have. Quite like to come up again though.

What was it told me about if doctors make a mistake Harvey? Deal with it. My same advice to you about Biden and Trump.

This is what the L. A. Times said about the War in Iraq 1 year into it:The case for war was based on two key claims: that Hussein was on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons, and that he had close ties to the Al Qaeda terrorists responsible for the atrocities of Sept. 11. Both claims proved to be demonstrably false.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-19-oe-kennedy19-story.html

That was one Hell of a free pass. You find nothing wrong with it. Probably why no one cared what Biden did in 2006. American was dealing with a bigger problem. As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

You had cancer, the doctor removed it 9 years ago, and hasn't come back. Not sure why that's a mistake, or upset over surviving. You do realize, that it's possible for people to be afflicted by more than on health problem during their life? What you do, is you deal with your problems, not complain about them. Like I told you last time, go to your doctor, for get your surgery, unless asked about it. Just tell the doctor you symptoms, let him diagnosis the problem from there. You need to quit telling them what your diagnosis is, and what they need to do to fix it. You are not a doctor, nor have the education in that field, to make a wild guess. If your doctor refers you to a 'specialist', you should go, since not all problems are physiological.

Iraq... Like I mentioned before, Saddam bragged and boasted a lot, and had the means to obtain weapons of mass destruction. We wouldn't have known, until after we took him down. We had every right to do so, since he didn't comply with the inspections he agreed to, after Daddy Bush took him out to woodshed, in the first gulf war. Iraq is a big country, just because we didn't find them, doesn't mean they never existed, or aren't still there. Not sure why Saddam's relationship was with terrorists, but I don't think they were friends. They weren't training there, or practicing on citizens, like most of the other countries around there. Saddam might have allow passage through Iraq, or his guards had an arrangement, but they weren't hanging around in Iraq. Saddam didn't like to share, be threatened, or take crap off anyone, even his own people. The heavy fisted dictator, absolute power.

As for what Biden said in that interview, you need to show the communication associated with it. Watch Erin Brokovich. With Trump, a series of actions is known. There needs to be a trail. Otherwise it's locker room talk like with the Tretapes.

Not sure what this is suppose to mean. The Biden clip I linked, didn't say where it came from. Didn't seem to matter, since it was Biden, and the full account, in his own words, on video. Are you saying it was altered? Did Biden later admit it was a lie? I remembered the Hunter issue from 2016, Trump was campaigning.

With Trump, does the House have documents showing that the Ukraine knew the aid money was on hold? They say two days before the call. Pretty sure that money wasn't in a hurry to get there, Ukraine wouldn't have know, unless told. Hunter Biden got millions out of his Ukraine gig, not all of it salary either. His California law firm was wired money several times, each for $89,000... Isn't $90,000 and above, the threshold for special attention from the government?

You sound like a moron Harvey. I am also mindful that you live alone. I guess that's because your opinion means that much to you. Just no compromising in you. I'm not that way.

Harvey, I actually think you are very sick. Trying to shame a cancer survivor because they'd like to have a life in the US. That is absolutely morbid. That's basically what Nazis were accused of. Or are you saying that when Nazis did experiments on people that as long as they were alive, what's the problem again because there isn't one.

Whiner. No Nazis did experiments on you. Personally, I doubt you ever HAD cancer.

James___ wrote:. ....I've never heard someone say that the US is a good place to live. I've never heard anyone say that they have a good life. Things Americans don't say.

The United States is a good place to live. I have a good life. I am an American. Anyone else?

I love your sarcasm.

Don't worry. I'd like to live in Australia myself. Their accent makes it easier to hear because of my service connected hearing loss. And I'd like to Thank Jesus for my American mother. She let me know that a person has options in life.

What? You find out you are wrong about the topic of the thread, so you whine about you personal problem instead? Why do you live in America, if you hate it so much? You've obviously had the opinion a long time, why haven't you migrated to a better life, rather than suffer in a hostile environment? Nobody lives for ever, so why waste a moment, living here, when there other options? You've had time to save enough to move. I hear Canada isn't a bad place to live, fantastic socialist health care, if you can wait a few weeks for treatment. You've waited 9 years, certainly wouldn't be such a long wait. What's the matter, passport issues, and nobody will let you travel?

HarveyH55 wrote:What? You find out you are wrong about the topic of the thread, so you whine about you personal problem instead? Why do you live in America, if you hate it so much? You've obviously had the opinion a long time, why haven't you migrated to a better life, rather than suffer in a hostile environment? Nobody lives for ever, so why waste a moment, living here, when there other options? You've had time to save enough to move. I hear Canada isn't a bad place to live, fantastic socialist health care, if you can wait a few weeks for treatment. You've waited 9 years, certainly wouldn't be such a long wait. What's the matter, passport issues, and nobody will let you travel?

I'm not wrong. You're just frigging stupid. To give you a clue, I served in the armed forces while you did not. You were too good to serve your own country. Isn't America worth serving? If you didn't serve, just shut up. You and your friends don't think America is worth serving. And that's about everyone in this forum. You want. And Harvey, chances are I will have surgery in another country. Myself, I wanted to have a life in my country. As you said, I am not welcome here. I am aware of that. Why contingency plans are made.

I have 2 service connected disabilities that ruined my life. People who never served don't get it. Both disabilities concern my hearing/ears. Have the police record to prove it. Police do not differentiate between disability and criminal behavior. Their training teaches them to recognize criminal behavior. If a person limps because a motor vehicle struck them at 50 mph, they are intoxicated. Slurred speach? Drugs or alcohol but not a hearing loss. The police are trained observers. They recognize criminal behavior. The police are not aware of foreign accents. White people speak Engleske. Right?
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@Harvey, when I was in Perth, Australia while serving in the US Navy that I got the clue. They treated me no differently than anyone else. I was just another bloke/mate. I sure as hell wasn't special, I was just another person. That's why I like Australia.
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James___ wrote:@Harvey, when I was in Perth, Australia while serving in the US Navy that I got the clue. They treated me no differently than anyone else. I was just another bloke/mate. I sure as hell wasn't special, I was just another person. That's why I like Australia.

Is that why the ant farm mentality of Marxism appeals to you?

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Sea level varies from place to place in the world- keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold.- Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD.- tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin.- trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"!- Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist

HarveyH55 wrote:What? You find out you are wrong about the topic of the thread, so you whine about you personal problem instead? Why do you live in America, if you hate it so much? You've obviously had the opinion a long time, why haven't you migrated to a better life, rather than suffer in a hostile environment? Nobody lives for ever, so why waste a moment, living here, when there other options? You've had time to save enough to move. I hear Canada isn't a bad place to live, fantastic socialist health care, if you can wait a few weeks for treatment. You've waited 9 years, certainly wouldn't be such a long wait. What's the matter, passport issues, and nobody will let you travel?

I'm not wrong. You're just frigging stupid. To give you a clue, I served in the armed forces while you did not. You were too good to serve your own country. Isn't America worth serving? If you didn't serve, just shut up. You and your friends don't think America is worth serving. And that's about everyone in this forum. You want. And Harvey, chances are I will have surgery in another country. Myself, I wanted to have a life in my country. As you said, I am not welcome here. I am aware of that. Why contingency plans are made.

I have 2 service connected disabilities that ruined my life. People who never served don't get it. Both disabilities concern my hearing/ears. Have the police record to prove it. Police do not differentiate between disability and criminal behavior. Their training teaches them to recognize criminal behavior. If a person limps because a motor vehicle struck them at 50 mph, they are intoxicated. Slurred speach? Drugs or alcohol but not a hearing loss. The police are trained observers. They recognize criminal behavior. The police are not aware of foreign accents. White people speak Engleske. Right?

We weren't at war in the 80's, or even in any major conflicts. Joining up, would have been just a job, like anything else available. I chose to go to college instead, and work other jobs. Both my older brothers join, neither left the country. America is great that way, we all have choices. Just because the vast majority of people don't make the same choices that you do, doesn't make them wrong. You have medical problem, as well as other personal problems. You have insurance, that would help you through those problems. The military provides benefits to help veterans as well. You choice to whine and cry, rather than make use of the resources available to you. It's nobody else's fault but your own. Your miserable life is of your choosing. America allows you to make those choices. I chose not to be miserable, and blame everyone else for my failures. I've been through rough times, never blamed it on anyone. Instead of crying about it, expecting people to feel sorry for me, I work my way through it.

Of course, this is the internet, and lots of people choose alternative realities, when describing themselves...

tmiddles wrote:You've shown me how mindless you are in that reality itself can be set aside (Trump calling for a ban on Muslims become a "lie" in you twisted mind).

He never called for a ban on Muslims. ....

tmiddles wrote:

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:So Gas Guzzler. Maybe you're willing to parse...

______You called it a ban on Muslims That would actually be offensive. You never called it a temporary travel ban on people from Muslim countries...the people that have been slaughtering Americans. What's not to get? What's offensive about keeping the US safe? He's doing his job, some thing we're not used to from most politicians.

Trump is not America anymore than you or I are. Supporting him only means supporting America if he's good for the country. I think he's the worst thing to ever happen to it. A lot of good countries get bad apples and making that country great means that citizens need to fight against the set back.

I'm curious, you say "again" as does he. That reference a particular decade or year? And why was that better than today?

37th is better than 18th. It really is and costs only 67% more. Do the math, those Brits are being ripped off.

Our health care is just better. We get what we pay for. On a side note, Brits might not be as fat as Americans. I think there might be some Americans who aren't obese. We're ranked 16th in the world. I think we can do better. Butt Americans can do it. They're not afraid of hard work. Can you order an extra pizza this week? We all need to do our part. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/most-obese-countries/

James___ wrote: 37th is better than 18th. It really is and costs only 67% more. Do the math, those Brits are being ripped off.

Our health care is just better. We get what we pay for. On a side note, Brits might not be as fat as Americans. I think there might be some Americans who aren't obese. We're ranked 16th in the world. I think we can do better. Butt Americans can do it. They're not afraid of hard work. Can you order an extra pizza this week? We all need to do our part.

Are you smart enough to recognize a gullible bigot if you were to see one?

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Sea level varies from place to place in the world- keepit

Clouds don't trap heat. Clouds block cold.- Spongy Iris

Printing dollars to pay debt doesn't increase the number of dollars. - keepit

If Venus were a black body it would have a much much lower temperature than what we found there.- tmiddles

Ah the "Valid Data" myth of ITN/IBD.- tmiddles

Ceist - I couldn't agree with you more. But when money and religion are involved, and there are people who value them above all else, then the lies begin.- trafn

You are completely misunderstanding their use of the word "accumulation"!- Climate Scientist.

The Stefan-Boltzman equation doesn't come up with the correct temperature if greenhouse gases are not considered - Hank

:*sigh* Not the "raw data" crap. - Leafsdude

IB STILL hasn't explained what Planck's Law means. Just more hand waving that it applies to everything and more asserting that the greenhouse effect 'violates' it.- Ceist

Heard a few things on the radio, but haven't gotten around to looking them up yet. Apparently, Trump and Barr have been investigating the origins of the Russian investigation for a while, and made similar calls to several other countries, mentioned in the Mueller report. The Biden and Son call wasn't the first, that the impeachment is based on, wasn't the first. The new Ukraine president, wasn't even aware that he had $300+ million coming. The money had actually been on hold, since Obama. I'm kind of getting the feeling that when Trump keeps saying it was a perfect call, it was just what the spoke about. I think he knew it was going to spark a fuss, and another investigation by the House. Maybe not as far as impeachment though. He knew from the Russian investigation, the House would be thorough, and want all the documents they could dig up. All that evidence, would be logged, and made available to Trump's defense attorney, and of course, the republican owned Senate, to leak, or display publicly as they see fit. Trump's presidency may end, but he's not going down alone. The democrats are going to take a big hit on this one. Part of their narrative accuses Trump, of using his office, for political gain, the same as the democrats have been doing the past 3 years or more. If Trump has the foreign government connection, for the start of the Russian investigation, it's game over for many of them, likely some jail time as well. Basically, Trump may have committed a crime, but I doubt it, he was careful, but certainly nothing in the 'high-crime' category. The democrats are a different story, huge conspiracy and cover-up, abuse of office, abuse of power. Think a lot of the fake-news people are going to catch a little of it too.

Harvey, as far as Biden goes, someone who is in the government but not Trump should've asked if congress or the Justice Sept. ever investigated his claims. That would've been the right way to pursue it. If there was any communication from the US then that evidence might still be there. And that would be in your country. With me, I wouldn't vote for him or Trump. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016. I sent the link to the Republican party. I doubt they know about it. Still, neither one should be running in 2020. Your country has something called Due Process. It'll be funny if that video makes the news because then I could say that I as a registered Democrat leaked it to the party that you support but couldn't let them know about it.

And Harvey, one reason why I'll probably move to another country is so I can have a life. But Americans don't like following rules. They do whatever's convenient and for how much you support Trump you couldn't ask either the Republican party or the media if they saw that video. And if that video makes the news then you would have to consider that someone who is not an American in the US made it known. No foreign countries involved. And that could severely hurt both Trump and Biden because they would both be guilty of using or trying to use a foreign country to influence an election.
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You don't get it notdamann, Republicans probably never saw the video. If they had, just Biden saying that would cause him to withdraw from the race but apparently no one thought to tell the Republican party about it. And now if Republicans take issue with it, basically what Trump was doing which wasn't necessary.