You will make some good gains without the steroids and GH, realistically you will want to be doing some form of training for 5 years +

Ideally you want to have a frame that can be built upon, ideally a good amount of lean muscle mass and fairly low body fat. That way when you do come to your cycle you will be keeping the gains as focused to muscle as possible.

Save the money to spend on getting some quality supplements and maybe nutritional advice and in the first year you can make a really significant transformation to your frame. If you list your diet then this is where you will get the most help.

Steroids and GH can have serious implications on your body and health and you need to be prepared for them.

robert123You will make some good gains without the steroids and GH, realistically you will want to be doing some form of training for 5 years +

Ideally you want to have a frame that can be built upon, ideally a good amount of lean muscle mass and fairly low body fat. That way when you do come to your cycle you will be keeping the gains as focused to muscle as possible.

Save the money to spend on getting some quality supplements and maybe nutritional advice and in the first year you can make a really significant transformation to your frame. If you list your diet then this is where you will get the most help.

Steroids and GH can have serious implications on your body and health and you need to be prepared for them.

The guy at the gym I guess is just trying to make money. He indicates that 4 weeks of natural training would be enough to start on a cycle

Like I said am overseas at the moment and the locals ain't like the boys back in the UK

I'm not with the backwards "you must train for X years and lift Y pounds before using juice" crowd but jumping on the gear right from the start is just unnecessary and wasteful.

This stuff isn't very cheap or free of side effects so if you can make very fast gains as you are (as begginers do), why not cash in on those fast initial gains and then, when progress starts slowing down, think about steroids?

Plus if you don't really learn the important bits in the first place you'll probably end up losing most of your gains when you come off the gear. The truth is most people you'll find in a gym don't know what the hell they're doing, they're training the way their bro or some magazine told them to, have no basic notions of nutrition, don't get the rest they need (or that they would need if they were training as hard as they should for the results they want), and what happens is they can't build muscle naturally, they go on gear and they start making gains again (because on a high enough dose of gear you can make good gains on the most retarded of regimens), but then they come off and because they're not really doing what needs to be done to grow and keep a muscular physique they lose everything.

I suggest you supplement your diet with a couple thousand calories : ) you need to eat more. Of you want to put on size theres no 2 ways about it. I was 10- 11 st up until my mid twenties. I wasnt eatong enough to gain signifcantly and i wasnt eating consistently. Whem i started putting effort into it i grew and put on a couple of stone naturally within a year. But i had to learn to eat more and it wasnt easy for me. I felt like i was eating all the time it took a while to get used to. Im not saying it has to be like that for you this was just my experience. You need to learn to eat to grow and not just for pleasure or hunger.

A month of training under your belt and you want to go steroids! This sort of thread is coming up more and more these days.It will take more than a month to learn how to execute the lifts properly, organise your own program or set out an eating plan forget roids, you can make great gains by doing all the basics right first.

I did train from the age of 15 to 24 as an amateur boxer this involved some light weight training.

I've also been on and off at the gym for years but never really stuck at it, what I was thinking was if I was seeing some good/noticeable difference then it would give me the extra motivation to keep at it

The amount of people doing this nowadays is staggering. Although I'd always say give it 6 months before turning to the darkside, if you want to do so then just do it, but ask the kind people of MT to give you honest advice first and don't listen to those selling to you as they just want your money. Forget GH for now, a basic test cycle will suffice, something like 250mg a week for 10 weeks. Absolute bare bones advice from me would be as follows:

Diet:Calories 25 x bodyweight in lbs. 25 x 140 = 3,500Protein - at least 175g per dayPlenty of vegDon't be scared of junk as you'll probably need some to increase caloriesInvest in a weight gainer if required - Boditronics Mass Attack Heavyweight is the best IMO

Training:Most will advise compounds, which is probably the best way to go, however machines will do a good enough job so long as you absolute nail it every session and cover all body parts. Even a routine based around the hack squat machine, leg press, lat pull down, seated row, smith machine etc...will do fine, but you must flog yourself harder than you have ever done before - you'll be glad you did in the end.

Or, do all the above without the steroids for ten weeks and see what gains you have made..I guarantee you'll be a lot bigger!

I think most of the stuff has been covered already with some real good advice already given. I was in a similar situation when I first started all those years ago. Time spent training natural will pay you back when you go on gear. Master training and diet and then packing on or dropping weight later on while on gear will be easy.

Try boshing a high calorie shake first thing in the morning as soon as you wake. Couple of scoops of oats same of whey, milk and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter. That there alone will put a good dent in your daily calorie count.

If you are going to go down the gear route I personally think you should forget the growth. As I honestly don't think you'll see much benefit at your stage.

Also try to forget the idea of topping up calories with junk. There isn't much nutritional value and you'll just end up putting on fat which you will need to get rid of at some point.

I think most of the stuff has been covered already with some real good advice already given. I was in a similar situation when I first started all those years ago. Time spent training natural will pay you back when you go on gear. Master training and diet and then packing on or dropping weight later on while on gear will be easy.

Try boshing a high calorie shake first thing in the morning as soon as you wake. Couple of scoops of oats same of whey, milk and a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter. That there alone will put a good dent in your daily calorie count.

If you are going to go down the gear route I personally think you should forget the growth. As I honestly don't think you'll see much benefit at your stage.

Also try to forget the idea of topping up calories with junk. There isn't much nutritional value and you'll just end up putting on fat which you will need to get rid of at some point.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do though

Thanks man, appreciate what you guys are saying. Will take all the advice on board and leave the GH and Roids for the moment.

Will stick at it au natural and support it through a solid diet. I've lived with this body for 35 years, so what's another few months eh :)Guess I kinda thought being a bit older and really just a bag of bones my body could do with a wee kick start lol....I see now that's not the case.

Will go shopping tomorrow and stock up on some high calorie shakes and some amino acids and bcaa's

Glad I came on here and took your opinions, will keep u posted on how I get on

There is a good knowledge base on here mate. So stick around and read articles, ask questions sort your diet and training in the relevant sections and It will pay off. I always found, (still do) that diet is the hardest part. Eating enough or fighting hunger can be a chore buts it's all part of the game.