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Not too get too far into this subject, but I think you may be missing a few things here. Compare Vortex to most forums out there and I think you'll find much more intelligent conversation in this forum compared to others. I know my old local Honda forum is full of post about girls, tacos, and compared to this forum contributes nothing worth while. I think the stereo type that most VW buyers are a bit more intelligent than average isn't too far off, but it's not to say there aren't their fair share of idiots in each car buying category.

A guy named dj_cronic_metal telling us to judge brands based on the sophistication of forum browsers? Also, you haven't been to OT here, where we love tacos, pink and regular.

And oh yeah, ILX sucks, but you know what else sucks? A $30k German car (excluding VW). What the hell kind of A4 do you get for $30k? If the ILX kills the TSX and the don't fix/shrink/bring the price down of the TLX, ima gonna be pissed.

And oh yeah, ILX sucks, but you know what else sucks? A $30k German car (excluding VW). What the hell kind of A4 do you get for $30k? If the ILX kills the TSX and the don't fix/shrink/bring the price down of the TLX, ima gonna be pissed.

When the most logical competitor in the marketplace is a more expensive car your own company already sells, you've got some problems w/ your product planning. They sort of did this when they re-vamped the TL, too. The RL didn't really offer anything beyond the TL except a bigger pricetag. I think the question here is: Does the ILX cannibalize TSX sales or vice versa?

Please. Let's stop comparing an Acura to a VW. Forget value, when you talk about ownership experience, it's night and day.

Although I agree with you completely on the ownership experience, I dont think your stretching it the least bit when your comparing Acura with VW. GLI would compare with the ILX 2.4, would it not? I remember Edmunds testing a mk5 GLI vs a TSX once even, and I did not think that was preposterous in the least. It says a lot about VW... and even about Acura.

Please don't interpret this as Honda/Acura hate... I really want to see them succeed. If they sell cars like this, at those prices, I dont think that they will ....

When the most logical competitor in the marketplace is a more expensive car your own company already sells, you've got some problems w/ your product planning. They sort of did this when they re-vamped the TL, too. The RL didn't really offer anything beyond the TL except a bigger pricetag. I think the question here is: Does the ILX cannibalize TSX sales or vice versa?

It's widely speculated that they're going to remedy this by killing the TSX.

I've also heard that the TL (now TLX) will have an L4 option, meaning it will be downsized a bit to clear room for the completely new RLX (should have called it a Legend) at the top of the range.

The TSX was a good car but never totally made sense, especially after the redesign. I think this will all eventually be sorted out for the better. ZDX should die when its model cycle ends, leaving us with an Acura lineup of ILX, RDX, TLX, MDX, RLX, NSX by 2015 or so. At least three of those cars will feature the next-gen hybrid SH-AWD, and at least two of them (but probably three) will have the new ZF 9AT.

I totally disagree, but I'm not going to get anywhere with someone named MK5golf.

Lol obviously not. Mind you, if I wasn't in a mk5 Golf right now, id be in an 8th (6th?!?!) Si, but that was too much of a stretch for a 17 year old. (at the time)

Although Acura does not make BAD cars... in terms of "Luxury" I think their a cut below the typical German offerings. ILX is defenitely more luxurious than the poverty special 2.0 8v Jetta... but Touareg, CC, Phaeton (ok, that ones only for the old world) and Eos... I cant help but feel that all of Acuras offerings do less of a job catering to the "luxury" people...ie, making buyers feel "special" about their purchase.

Lol obviously not. Mind you, if I wasn't in a mk5 Golf right now, id be in an 8th (6th?!?!) Si, but that was too much of a stretch for a 17 year old. (at the time)

Although Acura does not make BAD cars... in terms of "Luxury" I think their a cut below the typical German offerings. ILX is defenitely more luxurious than the poverty special 2.0 8v Jetta... but Touareg, CC, Phaeton (ok, that ones only for the old world) and Eos... I cant help but feel that all of Acuras offerings do less of a job catering to the "luxury" people...ie, making buyers feel "special" about their purchase.

I think you're not TOTALLY off-base. Acura's whole schtick is "Smart Luxury", aimed at people who want to own a well-equipped, well-engineered car without the general unreliability, massive repair bills and complicated options structures of the German brands.

They had plans to become a "Tier 1" manufacturer, and were going to go after BMW w/both barrels. New NSX was going to have a V10, and the new RL was either going to have a V8 or V10. But after the 08 crash they decided to just stick with Smart Luxury.

Still, I think Acura v. Audi is a more solid comparison than Acura v. VW. Outliers like the Phaeton and Eos notwithstanding, which do speak to a greater amount of risk-taking on VW's part.

I think you're not TOTALLY off-base. Acura's whole schtick is "Smart Luxury", aimed at people who want to own a well-equipped, well-engineered car without the general unreliability, massive repair bills and complicated options structures of the German brands.

They had plans to become a "Tier 1" manufacturer, and were going to go after BMW w/both barrels. New NSX was going to have a V10, and the new RL was either going to have a V8 or V10. But after the 08 crash they decided to just stick with Smart Luxury.

Still, I think Acura v. Audi is a more solid comparison than Acura v. VW. Outliers like the Phaeton and Eos notwithstanding, which do speak to a greater amount of risk-taking on VW's part.

acura's most recent risk then would be the 1st gen RDX with its car like ride and turbo (very german yes?). Say what you will but there's a reason that acura owners own their cars for a long time whereas I constantly see, just for example zhps/gtis/GLIs with 49k for sale and then the 2nd and subsequent owners putting them up for sale again every 20k miles or so. Its really not an accident.

Originally Posted by konigwheels

Wow, it amazes me that we have children in here that can't read a couple paragraphs. No wonder America's doing so well in education! Can't take the time to read, but sure can find the time to post. Self indulgence at it's finest.

I think you're not TOTALLY off-base. Acura's whole schtick is "Smart Luxury", aimed at people who want to own a well-equipped, well-engineered car without the general unreliability, massive repair bills and complicated options structures of the German brands.

They had plans to become a "Tier 1" manufacturer, and were going to go after BMW w/both barrels. New NSX was going to have a V10, and the new RL was either going to have a V8 or V10. But after the 08 crash they decided to just stick with Smart Luxury.

Still, I think Acura v. Audi is a more solid comparison than Acura v. VW. Outliers like the Phaeton and Eos notwithstanding, which do speak to a greater amount of risk-taking on VW's part.

Style in particular is a major missing element, and the recent generation of "beak" noses were a market disaster. Audi was one of the first to add a distinctive schnoz. Altho, for those who remember, this was much to the detriment of the early generation A4's and A6's where it was grafted on, rather than designed in. Acura tried for a distinctive nose and failed -- they need serious design help. Acura interiors are getting better, but they still cheap out in various places, like making the driver's seat fully adjustable, but not the passenger's. And the scattering of a zillion buttons makes for busy dashboards, with little driver logic to them.

To me "smart luxury" simply stands for "a luxury-like vehicle that we have to sell cheap because we don't have the credibility or image to be worth more." It seems that Acura is backing away from performance and highlighting efficiency as a selling point, which really places the brand in a non-distinctive no-man's land. It used to be they were the Honda MOTOR company, and it was all about the excellence of their motors and engineering. I'd say they are lost in the wilderness without a compass. Too bad because I like Honda's/Acuras, have owned a few and had good ownership experiences.

As for the ILX. I agree with those posters who said it is what the Civic should have been. The Civic just feels cheap, especially compared to an equivalent Hyundai. The new Ford Fusion makes the ILX look like a dated piece of crap. Time to get back to a brand that has some basis for credibility, Acura! Otherwise this will be a brand that withers away, like Pontiac. A real shame and an indictment of bad management.

It is on paper, but at least here in north america they are seen as premium as acura, and in some cases more premium if you look at the touareg, which is more upscale than any of that rx, mdx, jx, mkx, srx crap.

To me "smart luxury" simply stands for "a luxury-like vehicle that we have to sell cheap because we don't have the credibility or image to be worth more." It seems that Acura is backing away from performance and highlighting efficiency as a selling point, which really places the brand in a non-distinctive no-man's land. It used to be they were the Honda MOTOR company, and it was all about the excellence of their motors and engineering. I'd say they are lost in the wilderness without a compass. Too bad because I like Honda's/Acuras, have owned a few and had good ownership experiences.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I see no shame in trying to own the $30-45k market. They basically did it before with the 2nd and 3rd gen TL and MDX. German fanboys can scream all day about A4s and 328is being better than TSXs, but when owe cars cost $5-15k more comparatively equipped, yeah, eh should be better. If Acura could fix the TL's styling and get the 9AT in there, a lot of people would be happy to buy a roomy $42k TL that will run for 200k miles instead of a cramped, overpriced $50k A34 with about the same mechanical longevity of a mortar.

It is on paper, but at least here in north america they are seen as premium as acura, and in some cases more premium if you look at the touareg, which is more upscale than any of that rx, mdx, jx, mkx, srx crap.

False. Maybe the part about the Twatrag, but in general, no, VW is about as premium as Honda and Nissan.

It is on paper, but at least here in north america they are seen as premium as acura, and in some cases more premium if you look at the touareg, which is more upscale than any of that rx, mdx, jx, mkx, srx crap.

Based on what? I suppose the fact that you have to buy a new one every other year because your previous one grenades does make it more expensive, and thus fancy?

This thread is retarded. There is absolutely no reason to argue with people when their point is that the ILX isn't a good value compared to loaded normal compact cars, missing the entire issue that NONE of the entry level luxury cars are good value...period.

Then there are the obvious trolls like our recently returned friend from Montreal, who loved his Saab so much that he sold it in order to move to a Jetta, which is a premium vehicle in his mind, but in its most recent generation was cost cut to shreds.

In other words - VW good, everyone else bad.

Originally Posted by teklord69

Scenario: Uphill on two lane hwy. You need to pass and overtake a slower vehicle. That 151 torque won't let you. You will hit an oncoming car the opposite side if you do.

Based on what? I suppose the fact that you have to buy a new one every other year because your previous one grenades does make it more expensive, and thus fancy?

Based on superior engineering, ride/handling, interior, off road capability. I've driven an Rx, it was just as i expected, a raised camry! Just a quiet, boring car that feels like a minivan! Try driving a Touareg in comparison and you'll see what i mean about superior engineering. If i pay big money for a car, i don't want a camry based van and i don't care about what features and crap it comes with, i want to put my money on sophisticated engineering, and to me that means prestige.

Based on superior engineering, ride/handling, interior, off road capability. I've driven an Rx, it was just as i expected, a raised camry! Just a quiet, boring car that feels like a minivan! Try driving a Touareg in comparison and you'll see what i mean about superior engineering. If i pay big money for a car, i don't want a camry based van and i don't care about what features and crap it comes with, i want to put my money on sophisticated engineering, and to me that means prestige.

Please, with detailed examples, compare and contrast the sophisticated engineering of the Touareg versus that of the Lexus RX.

Originally Posted by teklord69

Scenario: Uphill on two lane hwy. You need to pass and overtake a slower vehicle. That 151 torque won't let you. You will hit an oncoming car the opposite side if you do.

Based on superior engineering, ride/handling, interior, off road capability. I've driven an Rx, it was just as i expected, a raised camry! Just a quiet, boring car that feels like a minivan! Try driving a Touareg in comparison and you'll see what i mean about superior engineering. If i pay big money for a car, i don't want a camry based van and i don't care about what features and crap it comes with, i want to put my money on sophisticated engineering, and to me that means prestige.

Shouldn't you compare the touareg with a land cruiser and in that case the reputation of the land cruiser wins out