Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:<quoted text>No sir, there is a big difference between making a publicity stunt, and voicing our opinions about the current state of marriage law. That is below your intelligence to even try that. I am now the disappointed one. You infer that merely voicing opposition to your cause is "coming out', and that is not the case.

veryvermilion wrote:

<quoted text>"...a desire to feel equal to us...""...bombarded by your inferior side trumpeting on about how equal you are...""We don't want our kids indoctrinated...""You have no right to tell us about yourselves..."----------1.) I DO feel equal to you. Is there any doubt in your mind that people like me are not your equal?2.) No one is indoctrinating your kids. I don't know about you, but knew about gays when I was very young. If I'm not mistaken, it was a preacher who talked about it. Then I clearly remember a pamphlet from church that talked about Sodom and Gomorrah--showing men touching other men.3.) What is it that bothers you so much about our telling you about ourselves? I doubt that any gay person has ever said anything more to you than "I'm gay". If anyone has regaled you with explicit details of their sex life, then that person was an idiot.Typically, it's you guys who let your imaginations run wild--grossing yourselves out with lurid images--wondering to yourselves, "who's the man and who's the woman?".When I haven't spoken to someone in years and I reconnect with them on facebook, one of the first questions they ask is "Are you married?" Second question is "do you have kids?"I respond honestly and say, "No, I'm gay."What's so disturbing about that?

<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed

When you impose an imposter relation on marriage, there cannot help but be damage.

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

<quoted text>Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Christian? They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.

The goal of religious evangelism is to convert.

Are you trying to convert heterosexuals? How does that work for converting homosexuals?

My Mom says the real problerm is that there is no sanitary clause in the Xmas nutcracker and that makes god angry and he uses his tools, which are the north koreans, to demand a recount of the papal elections and to immediately force all gays to marry lesbians and avoid stop and frisk by off duty tsa operatives under cover of darkness in swim suits and masks on holy garbage collection days.I dont get it. I think she has gone off on the dr. peeper again. But, who knows?

<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed

That is what I dont understand, I am a heterosexual male, married with 4 kids, none of the happen to be gay. 18,000 same sex couples legally married in California.

My marriage was not harmed in any way, none of my childrens marriages where harmed.

What is the big deal?

They want to deny others happiness, out of what... meanness? spite? they cant claim any harm.

I just dont get what the big deal is, if they want to marry, let them, it harms no one.

<quoted text>There is a difference between couples childless because of medical reasons and ss couples who are inherently desolate and barren.There is also a difference between a default mother and father, and a duplicated half of parenthood. Especially to the child.Another proof that ss 'marriage's are an oxymoronAnother schooling too...Smirk.

Blathering on about your narrow minded opinion isn't schooling, dumdum. There are legally recognised marriages where both parties are of the same sex. They're married. Just because you can't accept that little inconvenient truth doesn't negate them.

<quoted text>The goal of religious evangelism is to convert.Are you trying to convert heterosexuals? How does that work for converting homosexuals?Snicker.

Yes... In fact we are trying to convert heterosexuals. But not in the way you intimate.

We are trying to change your minds about homosexuality. We are in a movement to show you that we are equal to you in EVERY way; that we function normally in society just like you do. We are trying to show you that we will not be treated as a group of people who are willing to be hated and vilified out of your ignorance of science and your adherence to archaic religious beliefs.

In short, we're trying to get you to wrap your mind around the fact that we are like you in every way except a small aspect of our lives.

THAT is how we are trying to convert heterosexuals.

Unlike you, we ARE NOT on a mission to attempt to get you to change your attractions.

<quoted text>Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Chriletters They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.

There are entire network stations devoted to sports too. People wear apparel of their favorite team, put stickers on their cars, etc. All sorts of interests are put on display.

The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?

Do athletes and celebrities call press conferences to announce their religious beliefs?

Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.

So for now the lettuce, guacamole, bean, and tomato, sandwich crowd will still be waving the rainbow flag?

<quoted text>Keep guessing toots. I'll give you a hint though. My wife does like to ride pillion. We've been married for almost 15 years if that helps you figure things out.That bike, BTW, is a 1978 Honda 750 I bought new. By today's standards it is overweight, underpowered, and has inferior suspension and braking. I still love it though, lots of happy memories and miles.There are some competitive gay riders. Homosexuality doesn't limit coordination, stamina, or courage.Lastly, I favor Caterpillar boots. They're comfortable and durable and relatively water resistant.HTH

Gays are fruity pansies! The only motorized bikes they could handle operating are scooters!lmfao!

<quoted text>And there you have it. Marriage to you is a sanctioned fluckfest, a god ordained ticket to procreation. Well good for you. My marriage is about sharing my life with my wife. Any one can have sex you moron, and you damn sure don't need to be married to do so. What a sad life you have.

Yes.. my wife is my best friend, my closest confidant and harshest critic, the one I share my hopes and dreams with, she is not my property, but my partner in life

I dont see any reason not to extend that to same sex couples.

Tradition mean nothing to me, traditionally Christians were murdered for entertainment. Just because something was true long ago, does not make it a good thing for today.

<quoted text>Exactlywhat is it about those that oppose same sex marriage that their marriages are so terribly fragile that they are like frightened little children.My marriage is fine, same sex marriage has not harmed me or my children in any way at all.Why should it?

<quoted text>And there you have it. Marriage to you is a sanctioned fluckfest, a god ordained ticket to procreation. Well good for you. My marriage is about sharing my life with my wife. Any one can have sex you moron, and you damn sure don't need to be married to do so. What a sad life you have.

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