I don't know how to ask these questions properly. So, please help me with this if you will. For we newbies who didn't know better than to invite the state into our marriages, can we reverse what we did? AND to make it stickier if we have divorced and I remarried, how does that affect the children at this point considering the divorce was amicable concerning all things?

The Titanic was built by educated professionals and the Ark by an amateur who listened to God.

judystroop wrote:The Titanic was built by educated professionals and the Ark by an amateur who listened to God.

Thanks!

Do to the nature of your question we expect you read our Family Ties article in the WARN newsletter, Vol. 1 Issue 1. You may have also noticed that article has a follow up article in Vol. 1 Issue 2. Issue 2 has sample documents beneficiaries have used to eliminate state issued alleged marriage licenses. That being the case the answer to your first question is, “Yes.”

Divorces are another matter entirely. They are produced through court actions, which in fact simply add a judge between you and the rest of the family. The divorce court process creates an entirely new contract between all parties related and the very nature of such proceedings guarantees that as a matter of law all parties entered into the agreement knowingly and willingly. Such agreements are not easily removed if that is even possible. Children of divorced families are simply property of the state in the custody of the birth parents as per the agreement. There is not much that can legally be done about this condition until the children come of age.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

P.S. We are always hopeful that people understand from our article that marriage is ordained of God and mankind’s existence is destined for a man to take a woman to wife and they become one. The family unit is of supreme importance in the development of the individual and of society—in fact the family is the cornerstone of society. Where it is not, society fails and despotism reigns.

Such a historical review is beyond the scope of Team Law’s services though we can share the following with you:
Two main elements come into play here:

First because marriage is ordained of God and mankind’s existence is destined for a man to take a woman to wife and they become one. It is also scripturally recognized that at least Adam and Abraham were sealed in marriage to their wives by God; therefore it follows that the Father of the bride would require the marriage of his daughter be solemnized in accord with God’s authority (priesthood authority). Wherefore, the performance of marriages became widely recognized as the proprietary area of the Church.

Second, when involuntary slavery was in vogue in the early years of this nation, some slave owners became infatuated and even in love with their slaves that were often of a different race than the slave owner. The bible chastises the mingling of the races and the Churches refused to perform such unions.

Enter the state; on application to the state for recognition of such a union the state granted a license for miscegenation, which in essence made the former slave equal at law in all things with their spouse in any relevant matter of property or position. Such licenses became known as Marriage Licenses;

As divorce and other matters contesting marital unions became more common statutes began to form to regulate such matters.

As the regulations became more prominent the state (in accord with the right to equal protection of the law) apparently began to compel their allegation of authority even over the church’s domain in authorizing and solemnizing marriages.

Though the natural law marriage is still recognized as valid in law and no Marriage License is necessary for such marriages, many churches frown on such marriages and require that their parishioners be married through their authority. There is absolutely nothing wrong with such ecclesiastical requirements especially if the father of the bride requires it.

In fact the Bible recognized at least two different types of marriages, the concubinal marriages, which were performed for time only (till death do you part) and marriages under the authority of God as was the case again with Adam, Abraham, Issac and Jacob (who had two wives under God's authority and two concubinal wives). Moses was also married by his father in law under such priesthood authority from God, which marriages were permanent (for time and all eternity), which authority was understood by the children of Israel but was lost from them before the time of Christ; as is evident in the parable of the wife with the seven subsequent brothers, the question was to whom will she belong in the hereafter. The answer was related to the authority they were marrying under at that time, that being man’s, not God’s, and she would belong to none of them because such marriages are neither given nor made in heaven. That response did nothing to take away from the fact that everything God does lasts forever, even marriages performed with His authority; properly ordained priesthood having that authority from God.

We presented this final part not to get all caught up in doctrines of religion, rather we presented this so you can see that regardless what the State does and how much authority it alleges over anyone, it can never take such authority to marry from God, which is where it remains, making it completely reasonable for people to stick with the solemnity of the wedding under and in accord with the authority of God to so seal spouses together with the intent that they become one, even as their eternal parents are one.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

Last edited by Admin on Tuesday December 6th, 2005 12:33 pm MST, edited 2 times in total.

Once a person understands this capacity thing a bit. It is easy to see that a church would want any person's identified by a SSN to get a marriage licence as such entities are trusts, and therefore incompetant to otherwise marry.

The problem is that the man and woman (stewards) getting married don't usually understand who they are and what is happening. If they did, they would probably tell you that they wanted to get married under God's authority and also, for convenience sake, operate the two SSA created trusts together going forward.

If this is the case, as Admin said, the documents in the WARN newsletter, vol. 1 Issue 2, make this explicit for anyone who would care to investigate and should remove any basis for application of the parens patria doctrine.