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Bricklayer attacked mosque in "revenge", court told

A man who attacked a mosque after the killing of soldier Lee Rigby has pleaded guilty to racially or religiously aggravated criminal damage.

Michael Manyweathers, 49, and three other men used a plank to smash windows at the Dorset Islamic Cultural Centre in Poole, on May 23.

For the Crown, Charles Nightingale told Bournemouth Magistrate's Court that before attacking the Ashley Road mosque, the group had been drinking in a pub and working each other up over the murder in Woolwich the day before.

They were stopped during their attack by an off-duty police officer who was walking nearby with his elderly father.

Mr Nightingale, who described it as a “revenge attack”, said the officer was alarmed by their threatening behaviour.

Three of the men were tracked down and arrested, after which Manyweathers, a bricklayer, walked into a police station and gave himself up.

Although he had not personally broken the windows he was charged as the attack was deemed a joint enterprise.

Defending, James Moore said: “The last time he was before the courts was more than 20 years ago, and he has no racially or religiously motivated offences against his name, indeed his sister is mixed-race.

“The shocking death of Drummer Rigby touched a nerve, but he knows that this did not pay homage to his memory, and is ashamed to have been involved.

“People in the local area have disdain for him, his family are shunning him and his children are disgusted.”

Manyweathers, of Fernside Avenue, was released on bail with conditions.

He will join the other members of the group for sentencing at Bournemouth Crown Court on June 28.

[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote:
What a moron.[/p][/quote]Writes, another one.simcal

BournemouthMum wrote…

What a moron.

Writes, another one.

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saynomore
10:24am Wed 12 Jun 13

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.saynomore

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

Score: 0

HRH of Boscombe
10:47am Wed 12 Jun 13

saynomore wrote…

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
.
Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.

[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote:
It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.[/p][/quote]Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
.
Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.HRH of Boscombe

saynomore wrote…

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
.
Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.

Score: 0

Duckorange
10:48am Wed 12 Jun 13

Four idiots, not a brain cell between them

Four idiots, not a brain cell between themDuckorange

Four idiots, not a brain cell between them

Score: 0

goatty
11:09am Wed 12 Jun 13

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.goatty

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

Score: 0

rozmister
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.rozmister

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Score: 1

Bryan72
11:20am Wed 12 Jun 13

Clueless

CluelessBryan72

Clueless

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[deleted]
11:33am Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

Lake pier car park at Hamworthy would make a perfect site for a Mosque and would be used more than a rowing boat shed, its so tranquil close to the harbour I don't think any body would object, worshipers would come from all over the world and liven the place up a bit, you dont need a boat shed.lucy ann giles

Lake pier car park at Hamworthy would make a perfect site for a Mosque and would be used more than a rowing boat shed, its so tranquil close to the harbour I don't think any body would object, worshipers would come from all over the world and liven the place up a bit, you dont need a boat shed.

Score: 0

BIGTONE
12:18pm Wed 12 Jun 13

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.BIGTONE

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

Score: 0

BoscVegas
12:49pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?
Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.BoscVegas

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

Score: 0

BoscVegas
12:49pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?
Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.BoscVegas

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

Score: 0

rozmister
1:00pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.rozmister

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
1:01pm Wed 12 Jun 13

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Fair enough.

So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?

What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?

The scandal of "honour" killings?

Forced marriages?

Female circumcision?

Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?

The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?

The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?

There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.

So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?

You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.

I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.

We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Fair enough.
So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?
What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?
The scandal of "honour" killings?
Forced marriages?
Female circumcision?
Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?
The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?
The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?
There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.
So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?
You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.
I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.
We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.scrumpyjack

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Fair enough.

So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?

What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?

The scandal of "honour" killings?

Forced marriages?

Female circumcision?

Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?

The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?

The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?

There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.

So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?

You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.

I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.

We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
1:02pm Wed 12 Jun 13

lucy ann giles wrote…

Lake pier car park at Hamworthy would make a perfect site for a Mosque and would be used more than a rowing boat shed, its so tranquil close to the harbour I don't think any body would object, worshipers would come from all over the world and liven the place up a bit, you dont need a boat shed.

No, YOU don't need a boat shed.

[quote][p][bold]lucy ann giles[/bold] wrote:
Lake pier car park at Hamworthy would make a perfect site for a Mosque and would be used more than a rowing boat shed, its so tranquil close to the harbour I don't think any body would object, worshipers would come from all over the world and liven the place up a bit, you dont need a boat shed.[/p][/quote]No, YOU don't need a boat shed.scrumpyjack

lucy ann giles wrote…

Lake pier car park at Hamworthy would make a perfect site for a Mosque and would be used more than a rowing boat shed, its so tranquil close to the harbour I don't think any body would object, worshipers would come from all over the world and liven the place up a bit, you dont need a boat shed.

No, YOU don't need a boat shed.

Score: 0

boardsandphotos
1:08pm Wed 12 Jun 13

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........boardsandphotos

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

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scrumpyjack
1:10pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?
Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.[/p][/quote]A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:
"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"
From a BBC article in 2012:
Growing demand
An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.
Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.
''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.
''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.
And from an article in Reuters in April:
(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.
So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?scrumpyjack

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

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Azphreal
1:11pm Wed 12 Jun 13

I find it strange that peole are complaining about Muslim dress but i see nothing about what other faiths? You may have noticed that there is a dress code for some Jews as well but i do not see people going on about that. I wonder what the outcry would be if a group of Muslims attacked a church because of the civilians killed in a drone strike. Blaming a whole religion or country on the actions of a few members is wrong and all that does is ramp up the hate and fear that causes a never ending circle of revenge that destroys all it touches.

I find it strange that peole are complaining about Muslim dress but i see nothing about what other faiths? You may have noticed that there is a dress code for some Jews as well but i do not see people going on about that. I wonder what the outcry would be if a group of Muslims attacked a church because of the civilians killed in a drone strike. Blaming a whole religion or country on the actions of a few members is wrong and all that does is ramp up the hate and fear that causes a never ending circle of revenge that destroys all it touches.Azphreal

I find it strange that peole are complaining about Muslim dress but i see nothing about what other faiths? You may have noticed that there is a dress code for some Jews as well but i do not see people going on about that. I wonder what the outcry would be if a group of Muslims attacked a church because of the civilians killed in a drone strike. Blaming a whole religion or country on the actions of a few members is wrong and all that does is ramp up the hate and fear that causes a never ending circle of revenge that destroys all it touches.

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BIGTONE
1:19pm Wed 12 Jun 13

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.BIGTONE

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Score: 0

boardsandphotos
1:26pm Wed 12 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

Just because there is a growing need for something doesn't mean it will happen. As stated by Reuters, they can't even decide on what should or shouldn't be included and who should or shouldn't be affected by it.

IF it happens it'll be a very watered down version of what both extremist muslims and Daily Mail readers interpret Sharia Law to be.....

So that means the UK won't become a dry country, women will be free to wear want so no need to panic!

It will be there for Marriages and other civil and relationship matters and if its made official then it can be regulated and controlled so in the end does it really matter, surely this is better?

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?
Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.[/p][/quote]A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:
"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"
From a BBC article in 2012:
Growing demand
An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.
Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.
''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.
''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.
And from an article in Reuters in April:
(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.
So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?[/p][/quote]Just because there is a growing need for something doesn't mean it will happen. As stated by Reuters, they can't even decide on what should or shouldn't be included and who should or shouldn't be affected by it.
IF it happens it'll be a very watered down version of what both extremist muslims and Daily Mail readers interpret Sharia Law to be.....
So that means the UK won't become a dry country, women will be free to wear want so no need to panic!
It will be there for Marriages and other civil and relationship matters and if its made official then it can be regulated and controlled so in the end does it really matter, surely this is better?boardsandphotos

scrumpyjack wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

Just because there is a growing need for something doesn't mean it will happen. As stated by Reuters, they can't even decide on what should or shouldn't be included and who should or shouldn't be affected by it.

IF it happens it'll be a very watered down version of what both extremist muslims and Daily Mail readers interpret Sharia Law to be.....

So that means the UK won't become a dry country, women will be free to wear want so no need to panic!

It will be there for Marriages and other civil and relationship matters and if its made official then it can be regulated and controlled so in the end does it really matter, surely this is better?

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BoscVegas
1:27pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.BoscVegas

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

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boardsandphotos
1:31pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance

Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.

No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.

- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.[/p][/quote]Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance
Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.
No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.
- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........boardsandphotos

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance

Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.

No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.

- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........

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rozmister
1:33pm Wed 12 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Fair enough.

So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?

What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?

The scandal of "honour" killings?

Forced marriages?

Female circumcision?

Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?

The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?

The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?

There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.

So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?

You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.

I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.

We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.

I've never called anyone a racist, you're the one whose brought that phrase up. And my family is from one of those areas you'd probably deem a 'ghetto' and yet I grew up knowing people from all different backgrounds; including Muslims.

All the things you speak of as examples of problems created by Muslims are punishable under our laws (if there is no punishment you should be looking to the police not the Muslim community) and I'll highlight again carried out by a VERY SMALL MINORITY of Muslims. How many people do we have in this country who do truly horrendous things and are Christian? Should we clamp down on Christianity in our country too??

As someone mentioned the estimate for Muslims wanting Sharia Law is 40%. That's 40% of the 4.8% of the population who are Muslims. So 1.92% MAXIMUM in our country want Sharia Law - A tiny minority of the population. I'm not wasting my time hashing and rehashing over the Sharia Law debate for the benefit of people who can't gain perspective on something. 1.92% is a tiny proportion of the country and less than half of the Muslim community. It wouldn't happen in a million years.

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Fair enough.
So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?
What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?
The scandal of "honour" killings?
Forced marriages?
Female circumcision?
Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?
The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?
The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?
There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.
So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?
You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.
I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.
We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.[/p][/quote]I've never called anyone a racist, you're the one whose brought that phrase up. And my family is from one of those areas you'd probably deem a 'ghetto' and yet I grew up knowing people from all different backgrounds; including Muslims.
All the things you speak of as examples of problems created by Muslims are punishable under our laws (if there is no punishment you should be looking to the police not the Muslim community) and I'll highlight again carried out by a VERY SMALL MINORITY of Muslims. How many people do we have in this country who do truly horrendous things and are Christian? Should we clamp down on Christianity in our country too??
As someone mentioned the estimate for Muslims wanting Sharia Law is 40%. That's 40% of the 4.8% of the population who are Muslims. So 1.92% MAXIMUM in our country want Sharia Law - A tiny minority of the population. I'm not wasting my time hashing and rehashing over the Sharia Law debate for the benefit of people who can't gain perspective on something. 1.92% is a tiny proportion of the country and less than half of the Muslim community. It wouldn't happen in a million years.rozmister

scrumpyjack wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Fair enough.

So what about the growing band of Muslims who are calling for Sharia Law to be recognised as a legitimate alternative to our own judicial system?

What about the large Muslim groups on the streets stopping people drinking in public or abusing them for what they wear?

The scandal of "honour" killings?

Forced marriages?

Female circumcision?

Domestic abuse as part of both their religion and their culture?

The raising of funds here to support overseas terror groups?

The tribal and national disputes that has followed communities here?

There are many areas where this 'freedom' you talk about is not deemed as favourable or even acceptable by our society.

So when you say "and Muslim's are simply exercising this right" (of freedom) are we simply to acquiesce without comment?

You also say "Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom" as if this is the sole role of the Christian indigenous society and is a one way street.

I would argue this not the case and someone questioning this only to be shouted down and decried as simply being 'racist' thus forcing any elephants in the room to be ignored for fear of being described as such and possibly imprisoned for it has put fuel on the fire of feelings of individuals such as this (article) and is likely ultimately lead to more occasions of such attacks.

We are lucky to live in an area where we do not have ‘ghettos’ as such and there is a pretty good level of interaction. This is not the case in a lot of other areas and so to beat someone down for asking the question is to me as bad as these pathetic attacks on windows.

I've never called anyone a racist, you're the one whose brought that phrase up. And my family is from one of those areas you'd probably deem a 'ghetto' and yet I grew up knowing people from all different backgrounds; including Muslims.

All the things you speak of as examples of problems created by Muslims are punishable under our laws (if there is no punishment you should be looking to the police not the Muslim community) and I'll highlight again carried out by a VERY SMALL MINORITY of Muslims. How many people do we have in this country who do truly horrendous things and are Christian? Should we clamp down on Christianity in our country too??

As someone mentioned the estimate for Muslims wanting Sharia Law is 40%. That's 40% of the 4.8% of the population who are Muslims. So 1.92% MAXIMUM in our country want Sharia Law - A tiny minority of the population. I'm not wasting my time hashing and rehashing over the Sharia Law debate for the benefit of people who can't gain perspective on something. 1.92% is a tiny proportion of the country and less than half of the Muslim community. It wouldn't happen in a million years.

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rozmister
1:35pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Christians are meant to tithe 10% of their income. Would you object to someone creating a bank account that did this automatically for them?

Sharia banking follows a set of rules that Muslims follow when managing their finances. It's nothing ominous at all, just like Christian tithing.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should be scared of it.

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]Christians are meant to tithe 10% of their income. Would you object to someone creating a bank account that did this automatically for them?
Sharia banking follows a set of rules that Muslims follow when managing their finances. It's nothing ominous at all, just like Christian tithing.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should be scared of it.rozmister

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Christians are meant to tithe 10% of their income. Would you object to someone creating a bank account that did this automatically for them?

Sharia banking follows a set of rules that Muslims follow when managing their finances. It's nothing ominous at all, just like Christian tithing.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should be scared of it.

Score: 0

BoscVegas
1:44pm Wed 12 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

that fact my stance is opposite to BIGTONE's is coincidental.

I would anticipate that such a controversial policy / change of legislation would require a referendum in which only 4.8% of the population of the UK are Muslims.

The sharia councils provide advice for other muslims and apparenty has no legal jurisdiction whatsoever (thanks wiki). so it is the same as a Christian asking his/her vicar for advice.

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.
Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.[/p][/quote]never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?
Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.[/p][/quote]A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:
"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"
From a BBC article in 2012:
Growing demand
An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.
Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.
''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.
''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.
And from an article in Reuters in April:
(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.
So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?[/p][/quote]that fact my stance is opposite to BIGTONE's is coincidental.
I would anticipate that such a controversial policy / change of legislation would require a referendum in which only 4.8% of the population of the UK are Muslims.
The sharia councils provide advice for other muslims and apparenty has no legal jurisdiction whatsoever (thanks wiki). so it is the same as a Christian asking his/her vicar for advice.BoscVegas

scrumpyjack wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says...
11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement.
It's coming.

never going to happen. There is absolutely no chance shira law will be incorporated into UK Law. How many Muslims do you think there are in the UK?

Spoiler: 2.7 million or 4.8% of the total population.

A headline from the Telegaph in 2006:

"Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK"

From a BBC article in 2012:

Growing demand

An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.

Several bodies like the Islamic Sharia Council have seen a large increase in their cases in the past five years.

''Our cases have easily more than tripled over the past three to five years," says Sheikh al-Haddad.

''On average, every month we can deal with anything from 200 to 300 cases. A few years ago it was just a small fraction of that.

And from an article in Reuters in April:

(Reuters) - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

So simply dismissing as nonsense is fine - but is that a reasoned reponse or simply taken the opposite stance to someone else?

that fact my stance is opposite to BIGTONE's is coincidental.

I would anticipate that such a controversial policy / change of legislation would require a referendum in which only 4.8% of the population of the UK are Muslims.

The sharia councils provide advice for other muslims and apparenty has no legal jurisdiction whatsoever (thanks wiki). so it is the same as a Christian asking his/her vicar for advice.

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The Liberal
2:01pm Wed 12 Jun 13

What kind of 'revenge' is it that is taken against innocent people who have nothing to do with the perpetrators of the original crime?

The stupidity of it is astounding. It reminds me of all those protests against paedophiles a few years ago, when some idiotic vigilantes attacked the home of a paediatrician!

What kind of 'revenge' is it that is taken against innocent people who have nothing to do with the perpetrators of the original crime?
The stupidity of it is astounding. It reminds me of all those protests against paedophiles a few years ago, when some idiotic vigilantes attacked the home of a paediatrician!The Liberal

What kind of 'revenge' is it that is taken against innocent people who have nothing to do with the perpetrators of the original crime?

The stupidity of it is astounding. It reminds me of all those protests against paedophiles a few years ago, when some idiotic vigilantes attacked the home of a paediatrician!

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O'Reilly
3:11pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Would that be an interest free bank?

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]Would that be an interest free bank?O'Reilly

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Would that be an interest free bank?

Score: 0

[deleted]
3:13pm Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
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What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
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They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
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White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.HRH of Boscombe

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
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White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

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BIGTONE
3:16pm Wed 12 Jun 13

boardsandphotos wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance

Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.

No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.

- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........

According to above yes.

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.[/p][/quote]Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance
Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.
No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.
- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........[/p][/quote]According to above yes.BIGTONE

boardsandphotos wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

that is to do with the fact that within islam one should charge interest. they have to rebrand interest else so muslims will take out mortgages.

Islamic Account
Islamic Account at a glance

Shariah-approved banking – have the confidence of knowing your money will be kept in accordance with Shariah law.

No minimum balance.
No credit or debit interest.
Easy access to your money with a Lloyds TSB Visa debit card you can use in shops, online, on the phone and to withdraw money at Cashpoint® machines.

- It's simply Marketing to tap into a % of the population that have to abide by certain customs. - That doesn't mean that it will become the default system of Govenment in the UK, that's a massive leap.........

According to above yes.

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BIGTONE
3:17pm Wed 12 Jun 13

O'Reilly wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Would that be an interest free bank?

As above

[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.
Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.
Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]Would that be an interest free bank?[/p][/quote]As aboveBIGTONE

O'Reilly wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy.

Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB?
Its entitled "banking The Sharia way"
Go and pick one up in your local branch.

Trust me....its coming soon.

Would that be an interest free bank?

As above

Score: 0

[deleted]
3:24pm Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]Here here.
Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.
Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.BIGTONE

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

Here here.

Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.

Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.

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HRH of Boscombe
3:48pm Wed 12 Jun 13

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy. Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB? Its entitled "banking The Sharia way" Go and pick one up in your local branch. Trust me....its coming soon.

We have been doing Sharia funds for a few years now. (Different company)
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It makes me laugh. I had to read their whole fund statement. Not allowed to invest in alcohol production companies, non-halal meat companies but the funniest is the gambling companies but then they go and gamble on the success of companies outside their restrictions. It's beyond hypocritical. It's a complete farce. I swear they just make this stuff up to suit as they go along.
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I wonder if in 20 yrs we will get the same privilege when we are the minority in this country???

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
nice to see someone realises Scrumpy. Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB? Its entitled "banking The Sharia way" Go and pick one up in your local branch. Trust me....its coming soon.[/p][/quote]We have been doing Sharia funds for a few years now. (Different company)
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It makes me laugh. I had to read their whole fund statement. Not allowed to invest in alcohol production companies, non-halal meat companies but the funniest is the gambling companies but then they go and gamble on the success of companies outside their restrictions. It's beyond hypocritical. It's a complete farce. I swear they just make this stuff up to suit as they go along.
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I wonder if in 20 yrs we will get the same privilege when we are the minority in this country???HRH of Boscombe

BIGTONE wrote…

nice to see someone realises Scrumpy. Have you seen the latest information leaflet released from Llyods TSB? Its entitled "banking The Sharia way" Go and pick one up in your local branch. Trust me....its coming soon.

We have been doing Sharia funds for a few years now. (Different company)
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It makes me laugh. I had to read their whole fund statement. Not allowed to invest in alcohol production companies, non-halal meat companies but the funniest is the gambling companies but then they go and gamble on the success of companies outside their restrictions. It's beyond hypocritical. It's a complete farce. I swear they just make this stuff up to suit as they go along.
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I wonder if in 20 yrs we will get the same privilege when we are the minority in this country???

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3:58pm Wed 12 Jun 13

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[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
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What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
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They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
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White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]You show just how mature and intelligent you are by starting your post with a personal insult against me purely because I don't agree with you. I suppose that demonstrates the credibility and validity of your comments overall really.
Don't patronise me about London like it's some foreign place I've never been to. The majority of my family lives in Lewisham and has done my whole life; you know Lewisham with the Islamic Centre that the Woolwich terrorists attended? I know perfectly well that their are extremist Muslims living in some areas, including some in London. I also don't know anyone whose been attacked by them although obviously I'm happy to acknowledge it occurs. I do however know plenty of law abiding Muslims and have done my whole life. The majority of people going home after a night out in London get home safely and they're a lot more likely to be attacked by some hood rat who wants their shiny phone and money than a Muslim whose enraged by their behaviour.
White families don't have 2.4 children anymore that statistic is out dated, it's from the 80s. Muslims generally do have larger families though if that's the point you were trying to make with your outdated facts, so do Catholics. Are we going to kick Catholics out of the country too?
YOU are extremely foolish to assume that everybody is born and bred in Bournemouth and that because they now step out of the door onto a Bournemouth street it must be the only area they've ever known. I don't CONSIDER Muslims minorities the statistics clearly show they ARE minorities. Where do you think the extra 40 odd million Muslims needed to make them a majority are hiding?rozmister

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
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What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
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White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

You show just how mature and intelligent you are by starting your post with a personal insult against me purely because I don't agree with you. I suppose that demonstrates the credibility and validity of your comments overall really.

Don't patronise me about London like it's some foreign place I've never been to. The majority of my family lives in Lewisham and has done my whole life; you know Lewisham with the Islamic Centre that the Woolwich terrorists attended? I know perfectly well that their are extremist Muslims living in some areas, including some in London. I also don't know anyone whose been attacked by them although obviously I'm happy to acknowledge it occurs. I do however know plenty of law abiding Muslims and have done my whole life. The majority of people going home after a night out in London get home safely and they're a lot more likely to be attacked by some hood rat who wants their shiny phone and money than a Muslim whose enraged by their behaviour.

White families don't have 2.4 children anymore that statistic is out dated, it's from the 80s. Muslims generally do have larger families though if that's the point you were trying to make with your outdated facts, so do Catholics. Are we going to kick Catholics out of the country too?

YOU are extremely foolish to assume that everybody is born and bred in Bournemouth and that because they now step out of the door onto a Bournemouth street it must be the only area they've ever known. I don't CONSIDER Muslims minorities the statistics clearly show they ARE minorities. Where do you think the extra 40 odd million Muslims needed to make them a majority are hiding?

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4:01pm Wed 12 Jun 13

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[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]Here here.
Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.
Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.[/p][/quote]I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.
If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?rozmister

BIGTONE wrote…

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

Here here.

Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.

Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.

I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.

If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?

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O'Really
4:28pm Wed 12 Jun 13

To truly demonstrate defiance in the face of this sad violence, we must be loving and compassionate to one another.

To truly demonstrate defiance in the face of this sad violence, we must be loving and compassionate to one another.
Let's look beyond our superficial and fleeting differences. The murderers want angry patriots to desecrate mosques and perpetuate violence.
How futile their actions seem if we instead leave flowers at each other's places of worship.
Let's reach out in the spirit of love and humanity and connect to one another.
Perhaps we will then see what is really behind this conflict, this division, this hatred, and make that our focus.
Russell Brand.
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/russell-
brand/woolwich_b_334
7964.htmlO'Really

To truly demonstrate defiance in the face of this sad violence, we must be loving and compassionate to one another.

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]Here here.
Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.
Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.[/p][/quote]I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.
If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?[/p][/quote]You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"
Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.BIGTONE

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

Here here.

Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.

Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.

I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.

If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?

You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"

Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.

Score: 0

mike in florida
6:35pm Wed 12 Jun 13

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schoolsmike in florida

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

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whatsallthefusabout?
7:16pm Wed 12 Jun 13

bunch of grockels the lot of ya, stop ya bickering and go back to where ya come from, bloody northerners coming down ere taking our jobs.
and you can leave our boat shed alone too!

bunch of grockels the lot of ya, stop ya bickering and go back to where ya come from, bloody northerners coming down ere taking our jobs.
and you can leave our boat shed alone too!whatsallthefusabout?

bunch of grockels the lot of ya, stop ya bickering and go back to where ya come from, bloody northerners coming down ere taking our jobs.
and you can leave our boat shed alone too!

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nosuchluck54
7:20pm Wed 12 Jun 13

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

saynomore wrote…

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
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Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.

What do you expect from the uneducated masses? Certainly not mass mudred.

[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote:
It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.[/p][/quote]Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
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Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.[/p][/quote]What do you expect from the uneducated masses? Certainly not mass mudred.nosuchluck54

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

saynomore wrote…

It is idiots like this that play right into the hands of the terrorists,this is just what they want you moron.

Well what do you expect from the uneducated masses? The government may say we're a tolerant nation but it's the govt that is tolerant. Tolerance has run out with a lot of the population.
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Those just convicted of trying to cause mass mudred at the EDL rally were trying to start Enoch Powell's prediction.

What do you expect from the uneducated masses? Certainly not mass mudred.

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boardsandphotos
7:21pm Wed 12 Jun 13

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?boardsandphotos

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

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[deleted]
7:29pm Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
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They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]Here here.
Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.
Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.[/p][/quote]I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.
If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?[/p][/quote]You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"
Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.[/p][/quote]Considering I work with the local media on an almost daily basis and count journalists among my friends I think I've got a pretty good idea, better than most. Thanks for your patronising words though laughing at them does brighten this rainy day!rozmister

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

Here here.

Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.

Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.

I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.

If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?

You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"

Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.

Considering I work with the local media on an almost daily basis and count journalists among my friends I think I've got a pretty good idea, better than most. Thanks for your patronising words though laughing at them does brighten this rainy day!

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bournenbred
8:17pm Wed 12 Jun 13

How did they get in ?
Who let them in ??

DUCKS in anticipation !!!

How did they get in ?
Who let them in ??
DUCKS in anticipation !!!bournenbred

How did they get in ?
Who let them in ??

DUCKS in anticipation !!!

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[deleted]
8:53pm Wed 12 Jun 13

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Here in Handsworth we got more mosques than boat sheds whats the matter with you WASPs down there dont you love your brothers.lucy ann giles

Here in Handsworth we got more mosques than boat sheds whats the matter with you WASPs down there dont you love your brothers.

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goatty
9:05pm Wed 12 Jun 13

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.goatty

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

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[deleted]
9:13pm Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]Here here.
Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.
Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.[/p][/quote]I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.
If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?[/p][/quote]You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"
Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.[/p][/quote]Considering I work with the local media on an almost daily basis and count journalists among my friends I think I've got a pretty good idea, better than most. Thanks for your patronising words though laughing at them does brighten this rainy day![/p][/quote]Any article about this subject and you are always on here continually posting to try and get your points heard above everyone else. However loud you shout people will make their own minds up and that includes me. I have eyes and ears and have seen the destruction of this once great country. It's time to drop the 'Great' in Great Britain because it is no more.afcb-mark

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

Here here.

Did you all know that a few days after the incident at the mosque,a local white Poole man was attacked by 3 Muslim men for wearing an England football shirt? He is from a large family and they are non too pleased.

Where was the Echo/Police report on this?
They may be a minority here but they get majority favouritism.

I know a Muslim taxi driver whose windscreen got smashed a few days after the mosque by angry White English people making a point about Woolwich. This wasn't reported in the Echo either and I can only assume that it's because in those cases the victims don't want their story to be in the media.

If it upsets you that much why don't you ask this Poole man if he was offered the chance to have his story told or if he approached the Echo and was declined? Or is it much easier to assume that it's about his ethnicity because it suits your agenda?

You obviously don't have a clue to the arrangements the Echo and Police have with each other in regard to
" breaking news"

Keep yourself in that cotton wool.
It will all be OK in the end.

Considering I work with the local media on an almost daily basis and count journalists among my friends I think I've got a pretty good idea, better than most. Thanks for your patronising words though laughing at them does brighten this rainy day!

Any article about this subject and you are always on here continually posting to try and get your points heard above everyone else. However loud you shout people will make their own minds up and that includes me. I have eyes and ears and have seen the destruction of this once great country. It's time to drop the 'Great' in Great Britain because it is no more.

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boardsandphotos
9:17pm Wed 12 Jun 13

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

A paragraph of absolute nonsense (but you are free to say it) YouTube Westboro baptist church and come back and tell me when you see an American Policeman arresting those WHITE RELIGIOUS PREACHERS OF HATE while on the street spouting their rubbish - this doesn't happen, why ? Because Americans value a democratic right to freedom of speech even more than we do in Britain. You completely missed my original point.........

[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]A paragraph of absolute nonsense (but you are free to say it) YouTube Westboro baptist church and come back and tell me when you see an American Policeman arresting those WHITE RELIGIOUS PREACHERS OF HATE while on the street spouting their rubbish - this doesn't happen, why ? Because Americans value a democratic right to freedom of speech even more than we do in Britain. You completely missed my original point.........boardsandphotos

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

A paragraph of absolute nonsense (but you are free to say it) YouTube Westboro baptist church and come back and tell me when you see an American Policeman arresting those WHITE RELIGIOUS PREACHERS OF HATE while on the street spouting their rubbish - this doesn't happen, why ? Because Americans value a democratic right to freedom of speech even more than we do in Britain. You completely missed my original point.........

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[deleted]
9:20pm Wed 12 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.[/p][/quote]As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.[/p][/quote]Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
.
White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
.
Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.[/p][/quote]'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way? In the same way that a hell of a lot of 'christian' people attack women wearing short skirts and blokes holding bottles of beer every Friday night in every high street in the country.
And there are increasing numbers of people wanting Jedi laws imposed in this counry. What are we doing about them? They represent the same kind of threat as the tiny numbers of stupid muslims wanting sharia law in the UK who should be taken just as seriously.ctrewyou

HRH of Boscombe wrote…

rozmister wrote…

BIGTONE wrote…

rozmister says... 11:17am Wed 12 Jun 13 We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us. Wait until we get Sharia Law annexed to our own then repeat that statement. It's coming.

As Boscvegas points out Muslims are a minority in our country and the Muslims who want to impose Sharia Law in the UK are a minority within that minority group. Claiming Sharia Law is just a way to stir up panic based on an untruth. It's not coming and if you believe it is I suggest you learn a bit more about Muslims living in the UK and, dare I say it, go and meet some of them. The majority get on fine now under British law and are happy for it to continue like that.

Jog on dummy...
.
They may be a minority in Bmth.
.
What about the people going home after a night out in London to anywhere in the East. They have been attacked at train stations just for wearing short skirt or carrying a bottle of beer.
.
They don't abide by the law. They try and enforce sharia law without a care or respect to the existing law and the country and people that gave them a home. I can tell you from 10yrs experience in the East End that they are not in the minority.
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White families have '2.4 children'. How many do Muslims have? You are extremely foolish to consider them minorities.
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Only see what's on your doorstep. Well when you realise you're wrong it will be far too late.

'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way? In the same way that a hell of a lot of 'christian' people attack women wearing short skirts and blokes holding bottles of beer every Friday night in every high street in the country.
And there are increasing numbers of people wanting Jedi laws imposed in this counry. What are we doing about them? They represent the same kind of threat as the tiny numbers of stupid muslims wanting sharia law in the UK who should be taken just as seriously.

Score: 0

boardsandphotos
10:37pm Wed 12 Jun 13

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."
Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.
Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"
Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...
Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."
Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?
Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?
Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?
Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.
Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.
Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.
Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?
Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.
Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.
Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.
Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.
Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.boardsandphotos

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
11:37pm Wed 12 Jun 13

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),scrumpyjack

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
11:40pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Not that it matters but obviously

*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

should read 'the Muslim faith'

Not that it matters but obviously
*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
should read 'the Muslim faith'scrumpyjack

Not that it matters but obviously

*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

should read 'the Muslim faith'

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
11:46pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Jesus...watching good tv and this do not mix.

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

I think I was attempting to say:

Also, to be even handed and to suggest that perhaps some people should not get too precious; we can't ignore the fact that there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials

Jesus...watching good tv and this do not mix.
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
I think I was attempting to say:
Also, to be even handed and to suggest that perhaps some people should not get too precious; we can't ignore the fact that there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorialsscrumpyjack

Jesus...watching good tv and this do not mix.

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

I think I was attempting to say:

Also, to be even handed and to suggest that perhaps some people should not get too precious; we can't ignore the fact that there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials

Score: 0

scrumpyjack
12:06am Thu 13 Jun 13

ctrewyou says...

'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?

How many links to press articles would you like?

What about video clips from Youtube?

Blooming loads out there if you care to look.

Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.

You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.

So why so many concerns from so many people?

Paranoia?

Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.

ctrewyou says...
'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?
How many links to press articles would you like?
What about video clips from Youtube?
Blooming loads out there if you care to look.
Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.
You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.
So why so many concerns from so many people?
Paranoia?
Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.scrumpyjack

ctrewyou says...

'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?

How many links to press articles would you like?

What about video clips from Youtube?

Blooming loads out there if you care to look.

Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.

You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.

So why so many concerns from so many people?

Paranoia?

Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.

Score: 0

Dan Wahlin
1:18am Thu 13 Jun 13

"2 Manchester united fans cut the throat of a Chelsea fan in broad daylight, they then attacked the arriving police. Next day 5000 United fans attacked the Chelsea clubhouse. Nobody was arrested." or " Artist drew a caricature of the prophet mohammad, riots and 34 dead". Why is it wrong to be mad at the muslims sickening behavior in this country..They kill in the name of their religion, and nobody can show any anger about that? This is pure dhimmism.

"2 Manchester united fans cut the throat of a Chelsea fan in broad daylight, they then attacked the arriving police. Next day 5000 United fans attacked the Chelsea clubhouse. Nobody was arrested." or " Artist drew a caricature of the prophet mohammad, riots and 34 dead". Why is it wrong to be mad at the muslims sickening behavior in this country..They kill in the name of their religion, and nobody can show any anger about that? This is pure dhimmism.Dan Wahlin

"2 Manchester united fans cut the throat of a Chelsea fan in broad daylight, they then attacked the arriving police. Next day 5000 United fans attacked the Chelsea clubhouse. Nobody was arrested." or " Artist drew a caricature of the prophet mohammad, riots and 34 dead". Why is it wrong to be mad at the muslims sickening behavior in this country..They kill in the name of their religion, and nobody can show any anger about that? This is pure dhimmism.

Score: 0

[deleted]
1:42am Thu 13 Jun 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."
Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.
Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"
Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...
Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."
Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?
Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?
Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?
Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.
Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.
Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.
Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?
Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.
Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.
Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.
Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.
Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.[/p][/quote]Sharia, polygamy, halal...I'm so tired of all that. Not even animals can escape the cruelness of the beduin moonsect...It the nazis were muslims too, they would conquer Europe in 3 weeks..Dan Wahlin

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

Sharia, polygamy, halal...I'm so tired of all that. Not even animals can escape the cruelness of the beduin moonsect...It the nazis were muslims too, they would conquer Europe in 3 weeks..

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skydriver
9:07am Thu 13 Jun 13

With that face its looks like he has head butted more than just the window!

With that face its looks like he has head butted more than just the window!skydriver

With that face its looks like he has head butted more than just the window!

What makes me laugh, having read every word above, and the tit for tat insults between posters, I now believe that we need not worry about any Muslims, Sharia Law, etc. However, what we need to worry about is the people above who argue and abuse each other regardless of race, colour or whatever.

How can we even begin to sort out this ongoing matter, if we cannot even talk amongst ourselves. No wonder this world is what it is.

As some have explained, the Muslim population is minor compared to the population of the UK, and those wishing Sharia Law is less. Therefore, for anyone to assume, and attack the Muslim population because they believe they are all the same needs to get themselves sorted out.

What makes me laugh, having read every word above, and the tit for tat insults between posters, I now believe that we need not worry about any Muslims, Sharia Law, etc. However, what we need to worry about is the people above who argue and abuse each other regardless of race, colour or whatever.
How can we even begin to sort out this ongoing matter, if we cannot even talk amongst ourselves. No wonder this world is what it is.
As some have explained, the Muslim population is minor compared to the population of the UK, and those wishing Sharia Law is less. Therefore, for anyone to assume, and attack the Muslim population because they believe they are all the same needs to get themselves sorted out.TheDistrict

What makes me laugh, having read every word above, and the tit for tat insults between posters, I now believe that we need not worry about any Muslims, Sharia Law, etc. However, what we need to worry about is the people above who argue and abuse each other regardless of race, colour or whatever.

How can we even begin to sort out this ongoing matter, if we cannot even talk amongst ourselves. No wonder this world is what it is.

As some have explained, the Muslim population is minor compared to the population of the UK, and those wishing Sharia Law is less. Therefore, for anyone to assume, and attack the Muslim population because they believe they are all the same needs to get themselves sorted out.

Score: 0

rozmister
11:01am Thu 13 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),[/p][/quote]The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.rozmister

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Score: 0

FNS-man
12:00pm Thu 13 Jun 13

Oh dear, it's the rise of the idiots.

Discord and hatred. Well done, exactly what the tiny minority of nutters want, and what the vast majority of reasonable people don't.

Oh dear, it's the rise of the idiots.
Discord and hatred. Well done, exactly what the tiny minority of nutters want, and what the vast majority of reasonable people don't.FNS-man

Oh dear, it's the rise of the idiots.

Discord and hatred. Well done, exactly what the tiny minority of nutters want, and what the vast majority of reasonable people don't.

Score: 0

boardsandphotos
1:21pm Thu 13 Jun 13

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.
co.uk/news/datablog/
2010/jun/10/deaths-i
n-northern-ireland-c
onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),[/p][/quote]The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.[/p][/quote]Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.
co.uk/news/datablog/
2010/jun/10/deaths-i
n-northern-ireland-c
onflict-data -
That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.
P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.boardsandphotos

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.
co.uk/news/datablog/
2010/jun/10/deaths-i
n-northern-ireland-c
onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

Score: 0

portia6
6:55pm Thu 13 Jun 13

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.

co.uk/news/datablog/

2010/jun/10/deaths-i

n-northern-ireland-c

onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),[/p][/quote]The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.[/p][/quote]Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.
co.uk/news/datablog/
2010/jun/10/deaths-i
n-northern-ireland-c
onflict-data -
That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.
P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.[/p][/quote]The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.portia6

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.

co.uk/news/datablog/

2010/jun/10/deaths-i

n-northern-ireland-c

onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.

Score: 0

portia6
11:34pm Thu 13 Jun 13

portia6 wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.

co.uk/news/datablog/

2010/jun/10/deaths-i

n-northern-ireland-c

onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.

The Huguenots were refugees from
France, they settled in London and
Norfolk also Dorset and Devon. The
Britteres were French farmers and
settled in Norfolk.

[quote][p][bold]portia6[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),[/p][/quote]The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.[/p][/quote]Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.
co.uk/news/datablog/
2010/jun/10/deaths-i
n-northern-ireland-c
onflict-data -
That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.
P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.[/p][/quote]The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.[/p][/quote]The Huguenots were refugees from
France, they settled in London and
Norfolk also Dorset and Devon. The
Britteres were French farmers and
settled in Norfolk.portia6

portia6 wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

Thanks Rozmister you got there before I did, yep absolutely if you want to take a look at Christians/Catholics killing each other then look no further than Northern Ireland - if you want statistics then http://www.guardian.

co.uk/news/datablog/

2010/jun/10/deaths-i

n-northern-ireland-c

onflict-data -

That should be all you need. 1969 - 2010 - Over 3500 people killed in the name of a religion(s) we are all far more familliar with Christianity / Catholosism and as Rozmister said, some of those people involved have still not been brought to Justice.

P.S. - On funding Irish Terrorism, take a look at NORAID and how it was linked to the Irish American Vote in previous US elections.

The protestants, thrown out of France
for refusing to convert to Catholicism.
The was followed by the French
Revolution.

The Huguenots were refugees from
France, they settled in London and
Norfolk also Dorset and Devon. The
Britteres were French farmers and
settled in Norfolk.

Score: 0

sezzler
11:36pm Thu 13 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

Not that it matters but obviously

*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

should read 'the Muslim faith'

The Crusades?

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
Not that it matters but obviously
*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
should read 'the Muslim faith'[/p][/quote]The Crusades?sezzler

scrumpyjack wrote…

Not that it matters but obviously

*where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

should read 'the Muslim faith'

The Crusades?

Score: 0

Dan Wahlin
11:44pm Thu 13 Jun 13

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op
inion/ledarsidan/jud
arna-flyr-malmo-och-
reepalu-ser-pa_43210
93.svd

reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op
inion/ledarsidan/jud
arna-flyr-malmo-och-
reepalu-ser-pa_43210
93.svd
reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..Dan Wahlin

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op
inion/ledarsidan/jud
arna-flyr-malmo-och-
reepalu-ser-pa_43210
93.svd

reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..

Score: 0

paul.p
7:01am Fri 14 Jun 13

Religion....now there's a story....

Religion....now there's a story....paul.p

Religion....now there's a story....

Score: 0

[deleted]
9:10am Fri 14 Jun 13

[deleted]

Who do you think you are spouting **** on here, Anders Behring Breivik?
SOUNDS LIKE IT
You will be having police paying you a visit if you dont shut your claptrap.lucy ann giles

Who do you think you are spouting **** on here, Anders Behring Breivik?

SOUNDS LIKE IT

You will be having police paying you a visit if you dont shut your claptrap.

Score: 0

rozmister
9:23am Fri 14 Jun 13

Dan Wahlin wrote…

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op

inion/ledarsidan/jud

arna-flyr-malmo-och-

reepalu-ser-pa_43210

93.svd

reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..

Dan have you ever actually been to Sweden?? It's as multicultural as England, if not more, and the vast majority of people get along fine just like they do here.

PS. Your link doesn't even work.

[quote][p][bold]Dan Wahlin[/bold] wrote:
Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op
inion/ledarsidan/jud
arna-flyr-malmo-och-
reepalu-ser-pa_43210
93.svd
reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..[/p][/quote]Dan have you ever actually been to Sweden?? It's as multicultural as England, if not more, and the vast majority of people get along fine just like they do here.
PS. Your link doesn't even work.rozmister

Dan Wahlin wrote…

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op

inion/ledarsidan/jud

arna-flyr-malmo-och-

reepalu-ser-pa_43210

93.svd

reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..

Dan have you ever actually been to Sweden?? It's as multicultural as England, if not more, and the vast majority of people get along fine just like they do here.

PS. Your link doesn't even work.

Score: 0

rozmister
9:25am Fri 14 Jun 13

Dan Wahlin wrote…

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op

And a quick google reveals that the problem with anti-semitism is not just Muslims but also FAR RIGHT WHITE groups! So it's not about people's religion or race it's about pure nasty hatred like it always is.

[quote][p][bold]Dan Wahlin[/bold] wrote:
Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op
inion/ledarsidan/jud
arna-flyr-malmo-och-
reepalu-ser-pa_43210
93.svd
reality will teach some a lesson again, as history will..[/p][/quote]http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/worldnew
s/europe/sweden/7278
532/Jews-leave-Swedi
sh-city-after-sharp-
rise-in-anti-Semitic
-hate-crimes.html
And a quick google reveals that the problem with anti-semitism is not just Muslims but also FAR RIGHT WHITE groups! So it's not about people's religion or race it's about pure nasty hatred like it always is.rozmister

Dan Wahlin wrote…

Alright, Maybe it's time for a reality check for some posters here. In Malmoe, Sweden, Jews are harassed by the growing muslim population
to such extent that they are moving.
http://www.svd.se/op

And a quick google reveals that the problem with anti-semitism is not just Muslims but also FAR RIGHT WHITE groups! So it's not about people's religion or race it's about pure nasty hatred like it always is.

Score: 0

goatty
9:37am Fri 14 Jun 13

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."
Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.
Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"
Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...
Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."
Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?
Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?
Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?
Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.
Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.
Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.
Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?
Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.
Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.
Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.
Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.
Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.[/p][/quote]You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.goatty

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

Score: 0

rozmister
10:24am Fri 14 Jun 13

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

It is already illegal to incite religious hatred in the UK and if there's a failure to prosecute that's a problem with the British justice system.

[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."
Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.
Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"
Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...
Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."
Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?
Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?
Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?
Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.
Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.
Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.
Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?
Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.
Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.
Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.
Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.
Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.[/p][/quote]You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.[/p][/quote]It is already illegal to incite religious hatred in the UK and if there's a failure to prosecute that's a problem with the British justice system.rozmister

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

It is already illegal to incite religious hatred in the UK and if there's a failure to prosecute that's a problem with the British justice system.

Score: 0

goatty
4:31pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Well you asked what I would do if I were in charge. First thing would be to sort out the farcical justice system in this country that allows terrorists and preachers of hate to hide behind human rights laws that honest respectable citizens do not want

Well you asked what I would do if I were in charge. First thing would be to sort out the farcical justice system in this country that allows terrorists and preachers of hate to hide behind human rights laws that honest respectable citizens do not wantgoatty

Well you asked what I would do if I were in charge. First thing would be to sort out the farcical justice system in this country that allows terrorists and preachers of hate to hide behind human rights laws that honest respectable citizens do not want

Score: 0

Wackerone
8:42pm Fri 14 Jun 13

If any of you thought that free speech was a right in this country, then you really need to seriously think again. Free speech was outlawed a long time ago under the ruling governments of Blair and more recently, Cameron. We are living in what is very nearly a Police State.

If any of you thought that free speech was a right in this country, then you really need to seriously think again. Free speech was outlawed a long time ago under the ruling governments of Blair and more recently, Cameron. We are living in what is very nearly a Police State.Wackerone

If any of you thought that free speech was a right in this country, then you really need to seriously think again. Free speech was outlawed a long time ago under the ruling governments of Blair and more recently, Cameron. We are living in what is very nearly a Police State.

Score: 0

FNS-man
9:12pm Fri 14 Jun 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

ctrewyou says...

'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?

How many links to press articles would you like?

What about video clips from Youtube?

Blooming loads out there if you care to look.

Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.

You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.

So why so many concerns from so many people?

Paranoia?

Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.

I've walked around Whitechapel, which is one of the most Muslim-dominated places in Britain (the East London mosque, signs in Bangladeshi and English) drinking a can of beer many a time. Often on a Friday past the hordes going into the mosque. Never any trouble at all. Practically all the restaurants are licensed, or you can bring your own booze. There's a strip bar just down the road from the mosque, which carries on without trouble from the mosque. Hardly imposing Sharia law and values to their surroundings, even where they are in the vast majority.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
ctrewyou says...
'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?
How many links to press articles would you like?
What about video clips from Youtube?
Blooming loads out there if you care to look.
Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.
You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.
So why so many concerns from so many people?
Paranoia?
Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.[/p][/quote]I've walked around Whitechapel, which is one of the most Muslim-dominated places in Britain (the East London mosque, signs in Bangladeshi and English) drinking a can of beer many a time. Often on a Friday past the hordes going into the mosque. Never any trouble at all. Practically all the restaurants are licensed, or you can bring your own booze. There's a strip bar just down the road from the mosque, which carries on without trouble from the mosque. Hardly imposing Sharia law and values to their surroundings, even where they are in the vast majority.
You have no idea what you are talking about.FNS-man

scrumpyjack wrote…

ctrewyou says...

'They have been attacked for wearing a short skirt or holding a bottle of beer'. What? No they haven't. You are really saying that some muslim people have attacked people in this way?

How many links to press articles would you like?

What about video clips from Youtube?

Blooming loads out there if you care to look.

Again I simply want to show that before ridiculing fellow posters just have a look see.

You will argue this "is the minority" and ok.

So why so many concerns from so many people?

Paranoia?

Well that may be true but you can't just assume that.

I've walked around Whitechapel, which is one of the most Muslim-dominated places in Britain (the East London mosque, signs in Bangladeshi and English) drinking a can of beer many a time. Often on a Friday past the hordes going into the mosque. Never any trouble at all. Practically all the restaurants are licensed, or you can bring your own booze. There's a strip bar just down the road from the mosque, which carries on without trouble from the mosque. Hardly imposing Sharia law and values to their surroundings, even where they are in the vast majority.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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wholespud
1:02pm Sun 16 Jun 13

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

I would also like to add Anders Breviek to that list as well as the Oklahoma City bombing which unfortunately couldn't be blamed on Islamic Terrorists no matter how hard the US and western media tried, curse those right wing fundamentalist Christians!!
As for the IRA there are many members from Sien Fien who have been accused of various terror atrocities their punishment a seat on the NI assembly.
Would also suggest you read a book called the The Terror Factory, it is about hamza et al and the finsbury park mosque and also explains how the british government a, MI5 and MI6 allowed them to preach, fundraise and stay in the UK much to the disgust of the world leaders, hence why its been so hard to deport them.
Ultimately people need to learn that there are fundamentalists in every race/religion who hold views that most people in their own race/religion disagree with as well as society as a whole.

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mike in florida[/bold] wrote:
quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.
The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.
Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.
what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools[/p][/quote]You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?[/p][/quote]To play Devil’s Advocate......
- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.
- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item
- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race
- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell
I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'
Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.
There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.
Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),[/p][/quote]The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.[/p][/quote]I would also like to add Anders Breviek to that list as well as the Oklahoma City bombing which unfortunately couldn't be blamed on Islamic Terrorists no matter how hard the US and western media tried, curse those right wing fundamentalist Christians!!
As for the IRA there are many members from Sien Fien who have been accused of various terror atrocities their punishment a seat on the NI assembly.
Would also suggest you read a book called the The Terror Factory, it is about hamza et al and the finsbury park mosque and also explains how the british government a, MI5 and MI6 allowed them to preach, fundraise and stay in the UK much to the disgust of the world leaders, hence why its been so hard to deport them.
Ultimately people need to learn that there are fundamentalists in every race/religion who hold views that most people in their own race/religion disagree with as well as society as a whole.wholespud

rozmister wrote…

scrumpyjack wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

mike in florida wrote…

quote from school ethos of islam in chisellhurst,note last paragraph.

The Islamic ethos of the school is of . Darul Uloom Muslim School provides higher Islamic education alongside the majority of subjects from the National Curriculum.

Our hope is that our students will become imams and religious leaders in the future, serving the Muslim community in the UK, and making a positive contribution towards social cohesion in our multi-cultural society.

what about accepting uk as we are and mix in with us,no they even got there own schools

You can only get into a C of E school if you go to church and shock horror we have Moorlands Bible College near Ringwood, we also have Jewish faith schools in England so I'm not sure what your point is?

To play Devil’s Advocate......

- when was the last time there was a suicide Christian bomber.

- when as the last time a Christian tried to hack the head off a Muslim with a bladed item

- when was the last time there was an undercover documentary with hidden cameras where Christian teachers were filmed advocating the extermination of the Christian race

- when was the last time a Christian Aid bucket rattled for a contribution only to then be found to be funding a terrorist cell

I could be Devil’s Advocate a lot lot more but I don't want to as this is just the extreme, but I do think the people slamming and, let’s be honest, trying to ridicule, all people asking for debate or people (however badly) saying 'hang on its not just us who attack things (like Mosques)'

Also before let us be even handed and suggest that some people should not get too precious as there have been a number of attacks using the word 'Islam' on our war memorials.

There has to equilibrium in this particular debate and one thing seems obvious that there is a negative 'Muslim story' for every negative 'Christian story'.

Not bad for a religion that represents only 4.8% of the population (thanks BoscVegas),

The IRA. Injured, maimed and killed thousands during their reign of terror. Got their money from all sorts of places probably including collections. Didn't blow themselves up because they were too smart and still to this day some of them haven't been brought to justice.

I would also like to add Anders Breviek to that list as well as the Oklahoma City bombing which unfortunately couldn't be blamed on Islamic Terrorists no matter how hard the US and western media tried, curse those right wing fundamentalist Christians!!
As for the IRA there are many members from Sien Fien who have been accused of various terror atrocities their punishment a seat on the NI assembly.
Would also suggest you read a book called the The Terror Factory, it is about hamza et al and the finsbury park mosque and also explains how the british government a, MI5 and MI6 allowed them to preach, fundraise and stay in the UK much to the disgust of the world leaders, hence why its been so hard to deport them.
Ultimately people need to learn that there are fundamentalists in every race/religion who hold views that most people in their own race/religion disagree with as well as society as a whole.

Score: 0

boardsandphotos
6:47pm Sun 16 Jun 13

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

So you want to live in a country where the Judicial system can be bypassed, human rights can be ignored and rendition is practiced. You also want to live in a country where a democratic right to freedom of speech is also taken away and suppressed?

I think what would be a better solution is to revise, amend, improve and speed up the current process, but if you want the system to be like the one you've suggested above then it has to be like that for all of us, not just those who preach a skewed version of Islam, and i personally do not want to live under that system of government.

[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister!
Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.
Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........[/p][/quote]So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.[/p][/quote]Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."
Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.
Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"
Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...
Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."
Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?
Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?
Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?
Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.
Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.
Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.
Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?
Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.
Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.
Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.
Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.
Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.[/p][/quote]You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.[/p][/quote]So you want to live in a country where the Judicial system can be bypassed, human rights can be ignored and rendition is practiced. You also want to live in a country where a democratic right to freedom of speech is also taken away and suppressed?
I think what would be a better solution is to revise, amend, improve and speed up the current process, but if you want the system to be like the one you've suggested above then it has to be like that for all of us, not just those who preach a skewed version of Islam, and i personally do not want to live under that system of government.boardsandphotos

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

goatty wrote…

boardsandphotos wrote…

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

Well said Rozmister!

Goatty - our Government doesn't let 'certain mosques' preach hatred, the Finsbury Park Mosque was raided and new ownership was installed, yes there is more work to do but don't think for a moment it's just simply being ignored.

Unfortunately what you call 'preaching hatred' is also exercising a right to freedom of speech which IS something that is very much part of our way of life and anyone that lives here can exercise that right. You may not like what they say, I certainly don't like it, but then I don't like the facist nonsence the EDL spout either but if you want freedom of speech to be supressed then maybe YOU should be the one who should go and live elsewhere because freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our way of life and if the Government changes (which they wont) they will change it for all of us..........

So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say. What about my freedom of speech.
In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows. It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers, I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Goaty: "..So you obviously agree with the preaching of hate on street corners and mosques..."

Me: No I state quite clearly in my reply that I don't agree with what they are saying.

Goaty: "This has nothing to do with freedom of speech"

Me: It has everything to do with freedom of speech and i'd just like to point out that the rest of your post talks about nothing but freedom of speech...

Goaty: "..I can say what I like but then libel fools like come on and decry what i say.."

Me: Yes you can say what you like because you live in a Democratic Country where there is a right to freedom of speech, (but according to you it's not about that) So, when have you ever been the victim of a fascist government suppressing your right to freedom of speech?

Goaty: What about my freedom of speech?

Me: What about it? You are using it right now in an open forum and nobody is stopping you?

Goaty: In the US it is against the law to preach hatred in public and a very long jail sentence follows.

Me: Site your source please, different states have different laws.

Goaty: It is a shame we are run by liberals who so scared to upset a few Muslims and bring some controls to stop the preachers.

Me: Ok you're in control, where do you draw the line with regards to what you can and can't say and where and when you can say it? How much of your democratic freedoms are you willing to give up just for the sake of a few idiots spouting hateful nonsense in the street all in the name of a skewed version of a religion. - You're in charge, let me know how far you'd take it?

Goaty: I wonder what would happen if a white Englishman stood on the corner and started preaching hate and death to Muslims...arrested within minutes for racial abuse. BUT a muslim can do it without any fear of arrest.

Me: Abu Hamza - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and deported to America for supporting Terrorism.

Me: Abu Quatada - Preached fundementalist Islam, kicked out of his Mosque, arrested and is facing deportation to Jordan over Terror charges.

Me: Anjem Choudary - Preached fundementalist Islam and arrested several times for organising protests and rallies where hatred was preached.

Me: My examples are there to show NOT that all Muslims are terrorists because that is absolute rubbish, but what it does show is that we are all governed by the same laws, we can all exercise our right to free speech but if you take things too far, you will be arrested.

You ask if I were in charge what would I do. Well I'll give you thing one would have done months ago. Abu Quatada would have been on a military transport plane to Jorden months ago. He would not have hidden behind all this Human Rights nonsense so widely used by criminals to escape punishment.
This preacher of hate has run rings around our judicial system using European rights, which most of us do not want anyway to escape punishment. Secondly make it illegal to preach Religious hatred on the streets and in Mosques in the UK. Mandatory 10 year prison sentence. This would the message out loud and clear. The UK does not tolerate Terrorists and does not tolerate those who preach it.

So you want to live in a country where the Judicial system can be bypassed, human rights can be ignored and rendition is practiced. You also want to live in a country where a democratic right to freedom of speech is also taken away and suppressed?

I think what would be a better solution is to revise, amend, improve and speed up the current process, but if you want the system to be like the one you've suggested above then it has to be like that for all of us, not just those who preach a skewed version of Islam, and i personally do not want to live under that system of government.

Score: 0

The Archer
5:26pm Tue 18 Jun 13

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

actually it is NOT "religious clothing" and it would do a lot to ease tensions if a "normal" (not radical) Muslim were to report a radical plot

[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]goatty[/bold] wrote:
It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.[/p][/quote]The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.
Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.
We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.[/p][/quote]actually it is NOT "religious clothing" and it would do a lot to ease tensions if a "normal" (not radical) Muslim were to report a radical plotThe Archer

rozmister wrote…

goatty wrote…

It is regretful and totally stupid that these guys did that to a window, albeit drunk. What is more concerning is the underlying feeling in this country that causes people to act in this way. As long as this government **** foots around the issue of letting preachers of hate roam our street and lets certain Mosques be the centre of radicalism this behaviour will increase unfortunately. If people from abroad what to love in this country then they must abide by our laws and our traditions. Would a Muslim country put up with an immigrant from the west demanding a change to the law to have western laws. Would they put up with Churches being built everywhere? Would they change the laws so we can wear what we want on the streets?
What I can never understand is the so called Muslims who hate the West and everything it stands for still live here. Why??? Probably the freedom to do as they like, the woman and alcohol which none of which they would enjoy in their own country.

The laws have never been change - we've always had freedom to wear what we want in this country and Muslim's are simply exercising this right and wearing religious clothing, just a like a nun would. As for building mosques, If Muslims want to worship in a mosque, let them. It's really no skin off my nose that there's a building in the neighbourhood that some people use to pray to their version of an imaginary deity.

Muslims do so little harm in our communities and yet people keep spitting this venom about how dare they come here and wear headscarves and have mosques. Why shouldn't they? What harm does it do to you??? And why does it matter what might happen if we went to a Muslim country? There are plenty of British born Muslims who live here.

We're a dignified country with freedom of choice for EVERY CITIZEN regardless of their race or religion. To compromise that because people are afraid of Muslims and their ways would be a real shame. Especially when the vast majority of them live peacefully and happily side by side with the rest of us.

actually it is NOT "religious clothing" and it would do a lot to ease tensions if a "normal" (not radical) Muslim were to report a radical plot

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