We may have to come there to help out at a later date. If it gets rough here, I am not going to run to Mexico. Wait, Mexico is already here....bad comparison...

All kidding aside, time to make a stand. Hand writing is on the wall as to what our FERAL Congress is going to do. We have to take the fight to the State level and you do not need to run, you need to organize.

“People in IL, not known for mental acumen, will truly support this sweeping bill. They want to be protected by the government.”

Not true. There are lots and lots of gun owners in Illinois, even in Cook County, and surreptitiously in Chicago itself. And of course, all the criminals are armed. Anyhow, there is a big movement against letting any bill pass in the State legislature, and many Dem legislators are in districts with lots of gun owners. Not everyone in IL is a mental midget. Most of the low information voters are in the city of Chicago proper. Along with their liberal slave masters.

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posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:18 PM PST
by flaglady47
(When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)

The correct answer is to take to the phones/streets immediately and try to stop this unconstitutional and evil gun grab. If that fails, the next answer is to resist evil, including (but not limited to) fighting in court. After that, there are a number of options, and among the presumably legal ones would be air guns, where I found a sweet fully automatic air rifle online that I am checking out. There are also air rifles as big as .45 caliber, black powder (which can be made convenient), crossbows (high lethality, which I like for the application), and many other options even for those who choose to stay within this unjust and unconstitutional proposed law.

If I lived in Illinois and was limited to bolt action and actually following that law, I would get a big one where the first shot does the trick. There are some very nice bolt action rifles where one shot would be just fine. They are expensive, but AR-15s are expensive now too (a dealer I know just sold a nice, fully-loaded and accurized AR for over $5k), and I imagine someone from IL could sell/trade rifle for rifle with someone from another state who wanted the rate of fire and would give up the stopping power in return.

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posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:56 PM PST
by Pollster1
(Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)

....If I lived in Illinois and was limited to bolt action and actually following that law, I would get a big one where the first shot does the trick. There are some very nice bolt action rifles where one shot would be just fine....

True that.....just got thru cleaning one that holds sub MOA out to a 1000yds....got less than 3 grand in it scope and all 308 24” barrel

Im seeing this as a liberal revisionist constitutional gun ban. I.E. When the 2nd A was written, there were only muskets, so letting you have only muskets, meets the constitutional requirements of the 2nd A.

If the law is passed and then overturned, it would add to the argument that the 2nd A applies to weapons in current use, and not just weapons in existence at the time the Constitution was written.

The 2nd Amendment was incorporated to the states in 2010 in the SCOTUS case McDonald vs. Chicago. There is no freaking way an across the board ban could be considered constitutional in light of Heller and McDonald.

Based on what we know about Cullertons bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

TTAGs sources tell us there will be two bills: one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity.

Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police.

What is the point of “registering” magazines with 10+ capacity and banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles?

Gandalf

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posted on 01/02/2013 1:17:41 PM PST
by Gandalf_The_Gray
(I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)

He was at the Chantilly gun show over the weekend and AR-15’s couldn’t be had for less than $3K, and ammunition was going for three times the normal price. Said he saw someone pluck down 30K to buy these weapons and ammo.

I do recall the McDonald case now, and it was a long time coming. Unfortunately it once again misapplied the due process clause of the 14 th amendment. The privileges and immunities clause incorporates, not due process. Due process is about process, which is why it’s called due process. But lets not nitpick.

“How do you plan on collecting the firearms from those 1.4 million people?”

Pretty simple for most owners. Deadlines will be set and those that miss them will be fined, substantially. Most people don’t live in cash and have bank, savings, or other security accounts that can simply have fines extracted with a few simple keystrokes of a computer. Fail again to comply, fine doubles. Wages garnished will be another sneaking trick I assure you these tyrants have considered.

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posted on 01/02/2013 2:09:07 PM PST
by Neoliberalnot
(Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)

firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns

So classic bird guns like the Remington 1100 are now "assault weapons?" Wow. At least they are not pretending any more. Let's see how that works out for them among the notoriously low voter-interest recreational sportsmen demographic.

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posted on 01/02/2013 2:51:46 PM PST
by ElkGroveDan
(My tagline is in the shop.)

“Wasn’t the first 45 cal ACP pistol minted in 1909?”.....I do not know if it was the first but the Colt 1911 was patented 4/20/1897-9/9/1902-12/19/1905-2/14/1911 and 8/19/1914. At least that is what is stamped on the one that I am looking at.

They’re trying to get a law passed that would get to the SCOTUS after Obunghole gets a new anti-gun justice installed. That way they can rule it constitutional, and the communists can proceed to try and disarm all of us.

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posted on 01/02/2013 3:25:50 PM PST
by Ouderkirk
(Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)

They’re trying to get a law passed that would get to the SCOTUS after Obunghole gets a new anti-gun justice installed. That way they can rule it constitutional, and the communists can proceed to try and disarm all of us.

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posted on 01/02/2013 4:03:26 PM PST
by Ouderkirk
(Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)

I have owned and been shooting cap and ball black powder revolvers for over 40 years and one thing the article did not mention is that if put a bees wax wad (cut out of a sheet of wax with a .45 case) on top of each lead bullet in the cylindar after loading, it allows you to fire several cylindars full of black powder without fouling. By adding some Butterbore to the cylindar pin on an 1858 Remmington I have been able to fire almost 100 rounds without fouling.

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posted on 01/02/2013 4:24:15 PM PST
by Inyo-Mono
(My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)

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