Debate on Islam:a Producer of
Civilization???

[COMMENT: This
is an extraordinary piece of work -- the first for its foolishness (or
dishonesty) and the second for its straight forward exposure of the first as to
what it is.

I have maintained and still
maintain that Islamic culture is too dysfunctional to be doing the
globe-trotting into different countries for the purposes of takeover. They
must have the help and leadership of (and are the useful idiots for) the
globalists.

Fiorina's piece below supports
the contention that Islam has been shanghaied by the globalists.
Either Ms. Fiorina has been bought out, or she is very gullible and enjoys
fantasy. Be sure to read the rebuttal by Peter BetBasoo
below.

Many folks will tell how they
know many fine Muslims. Well and good, and thanks be to God for them.
But to tell what kind of religion Islam is,
one need look not only at the people, but first of all at the Koran, what it
says, and how it got written, and then at Mohammed himself. During his
early years when he had power, he promoted peace. But after power began to
settle in his hands, he became vicious and brutal. Islam was of on its
jihad to capture the world, not by persuasion, but by the scimitar.

In
praise of Islamic civilizationExtract from a speech by Carly Fiorina, CEO of
Hewlett-Packard.

There was once a
civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a
continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from
northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived
hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic
origins.

One of its languages became
the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the
peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of
many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of
peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this
civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and
everywhere in between.

And this civilization was
driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed
buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the
algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers,
and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body,
and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the
heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and
exploration.

Its writers created
thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its
poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in
fear to think of such things.

When other nations were
afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them
alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past
civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and
passed it on to others.

While modern Western
civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m
talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which
included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and
Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often
unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts
are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would
not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi
poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and
truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance
and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a
lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not
inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities
of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic,
and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened
leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability,
diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and
prosperity.

In dark and serious times
like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and
institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever,
we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of
leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

The full text of this speech
can be found at the Hewlett-Packard website at:

It is with great interest that I read your
speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and
Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in
the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim
civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle
East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some
points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of
unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks
to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please
find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you
will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the
specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief
perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene
in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the
Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest,
not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by
a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to
forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their
fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this
-- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs
placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat
Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule
themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian).
These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was,
in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in
times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax
forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed
to do.

You state, "its architects designed buildings
that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if
you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural
breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for
these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier,
as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, "its mathematicians created the
algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and
the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics
had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by
Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of
the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments
expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics,
Neugebauer).

You state, "its doctors examined the human
body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of
these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth
centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of
knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious
works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine.
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into
Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations
which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards
translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the
European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had
begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy
and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family
produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical
school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the
Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950
A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian
philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe,
in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that
sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some
ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and
destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of
the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the
world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology,
philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of
intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School
of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which
the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School
of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle
East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian
civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and
advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the
foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, "Its astronomers looked into the
heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and
exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you
refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day
south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and
astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly
that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, "its writers created thousands of
stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love,
when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such
things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that
comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only
significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the
Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian
writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian
language (also called Syriac; see here.)

You state, "when other nations were afraid of
ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When
censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this
civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This
is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the
matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a
book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author
lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of
the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab.
I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be
drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in
the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If
this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the
Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual
enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of
the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we
must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I
posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the
answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of
its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and
once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased
producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the
Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of
Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly
molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism:
the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a
progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus,
it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim
accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs
expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced
conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual
vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has
risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson
from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not
inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a
very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish
traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to
non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken
from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the
Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to
fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific
achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand,
point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and
400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government.
This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit
campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities,
identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a
non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues
in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the
Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the
advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the
historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it
is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was
Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in
your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach
that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would
assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first
settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which
is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is
an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to
Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells
of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was
Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization
policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of
seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to
the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and
Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling
for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa
(Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians,
Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and
inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their
attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It
is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when
making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information
enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You
may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further
questions.