Think Atheist2015-03-03T23:22:53ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberghttp://api.ning.com/files/-l0u9ggUOYjwQYAc0wS9vFAq*LJHN7D3t3IUKKVWWWwNpSWCjBbVefOwtAXaRhQ0n8WijBcfNkG3STnNbFRAq4yYpdcgGJNj/justchillin.JPG?width=48&height=48&crop=1%3A1http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/science/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=229unw2jwajrr&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhen a Devastating Solar CME Hits Earth...tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2014-03-18:1982180:Topic:14422672014-03-18T21:56:41.570ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
<h1 class="post-title entry-title"><a href="http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2014/03/18/fierce-solar-magnetic-storm-barely-missed-earth-in-2012/" rel="bookmark" title="Fierce solar magnetic storm barely missed Earth in 2012">Fierce solar magnetic storm barely missed Earth in 2012</a></h1>
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<p>Earth dodged a huge magnetic bullet from the sun on July 23, 2012.</p>
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<p>Earth dodged a huge magnetic bullet from the sun on July 23, 2012.</p>
<p>According to University of California, Berkeley, and Chinese researchers, a rapid succession of coronal mass ejections – the most intense eruptions on the sun – sent a pulse of magnetized plasma barreling into space and through Earth’s orbit. Had the eruption come nine days earlier, when the ignition spot on the solar surface was aimed at Earth, it would have hit the planet, potentially wreaking havoc with the electrical grid, disabling satellites and GPS, and disrupting our increasingly electronic lives.<iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/vQvsFjse9yw?feature=player_embedded&amp;wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" height="360" width="640"></iframe>
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<div class="alignright snip-video" style="width: 500px;">This movie shows a coronal mass ejection (CME) on the sun from July 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM EDT until 2 AM on July 23 as captured by NASA’s Solar TErrestrial RElations Observatory-Ahead (STEREO-A). Because the CME headed in STEREO-A’s direction, it appears like a giant halo around the sun.</div>
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<p>The solar bursts would have enveloped Earth in magnetic fireworks matching the largest magnetic storm ever reported on Earth, the so-called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859">Carrington event of 1859</a>. The dominant mode of communication at that time, the telegraph system, was knocked out across the United States, literally shocking telegraph operators. Meanwhile, the Northern Lights lit up the night sky as far south as Hawaii.</p>
<p><a href="http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2014/03/18/fierce-solar-magnetic-storm-barely-missed-earth-in-2012/" target="_blank">[click here to read the entire article]</a></p> Neanderthal genome may hold clues to human survivaltag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-01-01:1982180:Topic:12418592013-01-01T13:02:31.016ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
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<p>That's kind of what Svante Paabo is doing — but the Swedish archeological geneticist is looking over a time span of 30,000 years.</p>
<p>He's almost finished mapping the DNA of neanderthal man, a distant cousin of modern humans. Paabo has found that many people today carry within their DNA about 3 to 5 per cent in common with neanderthals.</p>
<p>Paabo says it's important to learn more about our caveman cousins' DNA to reveal the differences between us and them, differences that have seen modern humans survive and thrive over the millennia, while neanderthals have become extinct.</p>
<p>"I really hope that over the next 10 years we will understand much more of those things that set us apart. Which changes in our genome made human culture and technology possible? And allowed us to expand and become 7, 8, 9 billion people and spread all over the world?," he asked at a recent genetic conference in Ottawa.</p>
<p>The room was packed with people from across North America who wanted to hear Paabo speak. He's recognized as the inspiration for Michael Crichton's <em>Jurassic Park</em>.</p>
<h3>'He is a rock star'</h3>
<p>Pierre Meulin, president of Genome Canada, describes Paabo this way. "He is a rock star," he says, with a laugh.</p>
<p>And he's not surprised Paabo's work captures the public's imagination.</p>
<p>"I think people want to understand where they come from. And now people are very interested in what their identity is, and the genetic makeup of an individual is the absolutely ultimate identity card for any individual. So people are very interested in that," Meulin added.</p>
<p>Those genetic differences, Meulin said, can help pinpoint various diseases, and perhaps lead to a cure. But Meulin believes that one day DNA mapping will have a much more common use.</p>
<p>"With the social networking we see these days, when we all have our gene profiles on our iphone we'll be self selecting who we would like to be with. 'Oh, are you like me? Because I have this or this gene profile, etc. etc.' It'll happen."</p>
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<p>I've asked before, but never seem to get anywhere...</p>
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<p>Whenever I watch shows like "The Universe" and "How the Universe was Made" and "Through the Wormhole" and so on, they always mention, and sometimes play, sounds from different objects in space. I remember one episode playing the sound file of what a black hole might sound like.</p>
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<p>I'm not completely sure of the process to get the sounds (you can't hear a scream in space, after all), but I think it has something…</p>
<p>I've asked before, but never seem to get anywhere...</p>
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<p>Whenever I watch shows like "The Universe" and "How the Universe was Made" and "Through the Wormhole" and so on, they always mention, and sometimes play, sounds from different objects in space. I remember one episode playing the sound file of what a black hole might sound like.</p>
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<p>I'm not completely sure of the process to get the sounds (you can't hear a scream in space, after all), but I think it has something to do with converting radio waves or light waves or some other kind of waves to sound waves and playing those back... or something...</p>
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<p>What I do know is that I want these sounds. I do have some of the sun, a quasar, Saturn's rings (so dang cool)... even <a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/jcramer/BBSound.html" target="_blank">the Big Bang itself</a>. But I know that more is out there. I've already heard what a black hole might sound like from of those space shows, but I can't find anything outside of YouTube, and I'd rather have non-MP3 files, to be honest. I'd love to get a sound file of a supernova, more of the sun, and I heard yesterday on YouTube what <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVHXMLDvWA" target="_blank">the earth might sound like</a> from space:</p>
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<p>(He does link to where he got that sound file, but the link is dead).</p>
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<p>Does anyone know of a website that collects all the different sounds that have been produced from waves, preferably in an uncompressed format like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.wav" target="_blank">.wav</a>?</p>
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<p>Please help...</p> Child with cat eyes 'he can see in the dark'tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-01-26:1982180:Topic:10361162012-01-26T17:41:43.306ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
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<p>A little background to this post to help out with my question. I am a student ambassador for a program called S.T.E.M. ( Science. Technology. Engineering. Mathematics.) We work in local cities with schools and we help to increase the interest in the STEM disciplines. When we visit with the school we usually have an activity and information on how the activity is going to help them learn about a certain STEM field.</p>
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<p>I am looking for more…</p>
<p>Hello everyone!</p>
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<p>A little background to this post to help out with my question. I am a student ambassador for a program called S.T.E.M. ( Science. Technology. Engineering. Mathematics.) We work in local cities with schools and we help to increase the interest in the STEM disciplines. When we visit with the school we usually have an activity and information on how the activity is going to help them learn about a certain STEM field.</p>
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<p>I am looking for more activities for our group to use. We usually have between 1 &amp; 2 hours to do the activities and we have a decent financial backing. We visit classrooms with K-8 students so I would like them to be appropriate for those ages. So, if you have any ideas that you have see, please post them and if there is a website, video, or instructions that are related to it I would appreciate a link to them as well.</p>
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<p>Thanks everyone!</p> Reliable Sources of News and Expertise During Nuclear Crisestag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-03-16:1982180:Topic:5854602011-03-16T22:58:48.547ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
<p>This discussion is in the science genre rather than current events as there was often just too much delay between events at the Fukushima nuclear plant #1 and cogent reporting. This topic is more of an overview of events, and a list of suggested vetted, reliable sources of information.</p>
<p>During the crisis' first week, I heard misinformation and inappropriate speculation every day on every news channel, and in at least half of all stories and analyses. Even the best experts that media…</p>
<p>This discussion is in the science genre rather than current events as there was often just too much delay between events at the Fukushima nuclear plant #1 and cogent reporting. This topic is more of an overview of events, and a list of suggested vetted, reliable sources of information.</p>
<p>During the crisis' first week, I heard misinformation and inappropriate speculation every day on every news channel, and in at least half of all stories and analyses. Even the best experts that media could find didn't have adequate information or direct access to information about events at the reactors. The Japanese government wasn't much help, either. As "collective" as the Japanese people are and concerned about each other, they seem to be sometimes intentionally naive about events that they trust other organizations or interests to manage. (Well known examples are the slaughtering of whales up until recently, and ongoing slaughtering of dolphins.)</p>
<p>The plant operator TEPCO has a history of being unreliable as a source of information, even though they are the primary witnesses and managers to the crisis. TEPCO did not adequately assess and report the current crisis, partly because of incompetence and/or stoic silence, but mostly because of inadequate resources since they lost all power and backup power.</p>
<p>Hydrogen explosions, releases of radioactive material and fires garnered headlines. Yet ironically, these are actually minor events, in the context of both the recent tsunami disaster and the potential lethality of a future, unstoppable meltdown.</p>
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<p>There are two nuclear power plants in Fukushima: Dai-Ichi (#1) and Dai-Ni (#2). All four reactors at plant #2 were shutdown successfully, and will not be mentioned here again.</p>
<p>Before the earthquake, plant #1 reactors 1 through 3 were in operation while reactors 4 through 6 were undergoing routine maintenance. Loss of backup power from the earthquake and tsunami led to serious damage at reactor cores and/or spent fuel in reactor buildings 1 through 4.</p>
<p>All fuel rods at Fukushima use uranium, but reactor 3 is fueled by a combination of uranium and plutonium called MOX, incurring higher risks. (Since a portion of uranium in fuel rods actually becomes plutonium, all fuel rods accrue plutonium, but to a much lesser degree than in MOX.) The half-life of plutonium is 24k years.</p>
<p>Reactors 1 and 2 have significant core damage, meaning "partial meltdown" due to loss of coolant (water).</p>
<p>In addition to risk from core damage is the risk of damage to separately cooled, spent fuel rods held outside of the reactor vessel in a storage pool (in the same reactor building). Even though this fuel is no longer radioactive enough to be used for generating power, it is still radioactive enough to require constant submersion in water in order to stay cool. All spent fuel also contains plutonium.</p>
<p>At least one of the fires (and perhaps one or more of the hydrogen explosions) was caused by <em>used</em> fuel losing its cover of water and subsequently overheating. The used fuel pools were what the helicopters tried to keep flooded with water, <em>not</em> the fuel in any of the reactor vessels. Only the reactor buildings with exploded rooftops had spent fuel pools accessible to the helicopters.</p>
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<p>Excellent, detailed wikipedia links:</p>
<h1 class="firstHeading" id="firstHeading"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nuclear_accidents" target="_blank">Timeline of the Fukushima nuclear accidents</a></h1>
<h1 class="firstHeading" id="firstHeading"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents" target="_blank">Fukushima I nuclear accidents</a></h1>
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<p>When adding to this discussion, please limit any speculation, or at least indicate when you or your source is speculating.</p>
<p> </p> Homeopathy declared unfit for animals.Why is more common senese being applied to veterinary medicine than our own?tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-01-14:1982180:Topic:4968542011-01-14T09:34:22.736ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
<p><a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-is-homeopathy.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/homeopathy-unfit-for-animals-but-still.html" target="_blank"><img class="align-left" src="http://api.ning.com/files/4rP2v5dY*EHQ3gX9JSQZgWTxlZkPQrydlYIO3ph0JMZQQ4E1wxMNcm8GIfpibIHOELomLRbNBmdpVqyd8HXb6bBzjpBJtaPF/homeopathypatientchoicealternativemedicineremedies.jpg?width=244" width="244"></img></a> Homeopathy has been <a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/homeopathy-unfit-for-animals-but-still.html" target="_blank">declared unfit for animals in the UK</a> by the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD) because it cannot be classed as a medicine, or hence prescribed…</p>
<p><a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-is-homeopathy.html" target="_blank"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/homeopathy-unfit-for-animals-but-still.html"><img class="align-left" src="http://api.ning.com/files/4rP2v5dY*EHQ3gX9JSQZgWTxlZkPQrydlYIO3ph0JMZQQ4E1wxMNcm8GIfpibIHOELomLRbNBmdpVqyd8HXb6bBzjpBJtaPF/homeopathypatientchoicealternativemedicineremedies.jpg?width=244" width="244"/></a>Homeopathy has been <a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2011/01/homeopathy-unfit-for-animals-but-still.html" target="_blank">declared unfit for animals in the UK</a> by the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD) because it cannot be classed as a medicine, or hence prescribed by vets, because of a complete lack of scientifically supported efficacy. It's quite funny actually, since one of the main arguments used by homeopaths is that the placebo effect doesn't occur in animals (a debatable point). Yet it can still be prescribed to human patients despite this well known lack of evidence.</p>
<p>Other remedies under the VMD's axe are:</p>
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<li>Animal food supplements – known as neutraceuticals, which claim to treat diseases or bring extra health benefits such as improved mental ability in pet animals.</li>
<li>Herbal liquids, powders and pellets – sold as herbal wormers – claiming to irritate and repel parasitic worms from the guts of horses, livestock, and pets.</li>
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<p>It's basically all the new age quack for animals.</p>
The VMD Director of Operations, John FitzGerald, said:<br/>
<div style="text-align: justify;"><i>“Some of these products are claiming to be effective and safe when no scientific evidence has been presented to us to show they are.</i></div>
<div style="text-align: justify;"><i>“Animal owners have a right to know if a product does what it claims. The products claim to treat diseases which can cause serious welfare problems and in some circumstances kill animals if not properly treated. So in some cases owners are giving remedies to their pets which don’t treat the problem.”</i></div>
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<div style="text-align: justify;">But the same thing applies to people. Homeopathic remedies are taken by many people when travelling to areas of the world where diseases like malaria and polio are rife<i>.</i> Some even give these homeopathic preventatives to their children instead of treating them with the effective medication they need<i>.</i> Why do they do this? There could be many reasons:</div>
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<li>Not well informed</li>
<li>Vulnerable to exploitation</li>
<li>Scientifically illiterate</li>
<li>Sucked in by phrases like 'vital force', 'resonant frequencies' and 'energy flow', thinking they actually mean something.</li>
<li>Like 'natural' remedies - desite the fact they contain barely any of the active ingredient.</li>
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Why isn't anything done about this? It's all in the name of 'patient choice', at least that's been the <a href="http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/@dh/@en/@ps/documents/digitalasset/dh_117811.pdf" target="_blank">pathetic excuse</a> given by the present Coalition Government and the Labour one before it. However, this idea of patient choice is not apparent on issues like obesity, and some <a href="http://atheistzoo.blogspot.com/2010/12/uk-government-continue-to-ignore.html" target="_blank">drugs are made illegal for reasons that seem to contradict scientific evidence</a>, whilst others like alcohol and tobacco are legalised because of 'consumer choice' despite scientific evidence which suggests that they are far more harmful (to the individual and society) than some illegal drugs. Don't they also fit under patient or consumer choice?<br/>
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<p>Some people use homeopathy as a last resort when all other forms of medicine have failed. This is understandable, but it is no reason to throw funding at this form of late-18th Century German fruitloopery.</p>
<p>Homeopathy requires that the remedy is a heavily diluted solution, because the less of the initial substance you take, the more powerful it becomes. By that logic, the best way to use homeopathy is not to use it at all.</p> assuming world peace is possibletag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-01-06:1982180:Topic:4873372011-01-06T13:34:08.221ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
can any body think of items you would like added to a world peace constitution bill ,bearing in mind that it must benefit humanity as a whole regardless of race, color , creed ,or religion .
can any body think of items you would like added to a world peace constitution bill ,bearing in mind that it must benefit humanity as a whole regardless of race, color , creed ,or religion . Let us talk about unguided processes.tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-12-27:1982180:Topic:4720212010-12-27T22:12:02.299ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">5. that the world was not created</font></font></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">6. but is in its current state</font></font></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">7. because of complicated and beautifully unguided processes.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">I was talking in the previous thread from myself also, about the nose as a point of discussion for the concept of unguided processes which are the ultimate and effectively the absolute explanation for the complicated but beautifully existing world in which mankind finds itself to have existence and operation.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">This present thread is not about the nose for the present, but about the concept itself of unguided processes.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">The group here is made up of atheists who love science, very good.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">Now we can all humans who think, examine scientifically the concept of unguided processes.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">Here goes my first initiating post in this thread and I expect that atheists abstain from putting in videos, graphics, audios, etc., and specially no frivolities.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">Otherwise you will give the impression to non-partisan readers that you are in effect muddling up the issue, instead of thinking scientifically and writing with concise, precise, and clear words.</font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">That is the difference between you and me, you insist that evolution is exempted from guided processes, but I insist that even evolution and specially evolution is an event that is founded on guided processes.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">That is why I want us to discuss in the previous thread the nose in our face, because it is from our intelligent consideration on empirical criteria definitely the result of guided processes.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Don't go far far away or deep deep in the abyss whatever, when you can examine guided processes, and see there are no unguided processes not today and not ever in the past, by just examining your nose, and as you work in the kitchen or anywhere you be, and you be dealing with things and events and your own undertakings to be doing a life.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">So, you still insist that evolution is exempted from guided processes altogether, in which case it is a very unscientific explanation for anything at all, because unguided processes cannot be falsified.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Read again what this atheist website says about the whole world:</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">5. that the world was not created</font></font></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">6. but is in its current state</font></font></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><font size="2" face="Courier New">7. because of complicated and beautifully <strong>unguided processes.</strong></font></font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Just how can you ever falsify unguided processes as the causality of the whole complicated beautiful world?</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">That evolution is not absolutely founded on unguided processes but only</font></font></p>
<p><font size="2"><font size="2">not guided by God, for still it is founded upon guided processes which guides are the rules of God (if you accept God, because you are theist evolutionists), but in particular for atheist evolutionists, by the laws of nature.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Well, so you atheist evolutionists cannot really say that evolution is the product or the event or the occurrence whatever that is founded upon unguided processes absolutely, but relatively only, meaning in relation to God: no God's guidance.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">But it is founded on the laws of nature, and wherefore evolution is founded on guided processes, but with the caveat of course, namely, but not from God’s guidance.</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">What do I say about that?</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">I will say from all honesty and also spontaneity:</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">That you are being or more correctly thinking or correction again, in fact engaged in non-thinking and talking, and the adjectives to describe your behavior are:</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Disingenuous,</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">[ Note to moderators: If a thread is not getting anywhere in your thinking, then you step in to tell whoever is the cause of the stalling that he must accept what is the particular cognitive position that is un-negotiable in your website and forum; otherwise, he should already stop and go away from the thread even though he started it; there is really no need to even just temporally suspend it.]</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">[In this manner posters who cannot accept what in effect are the non-negotiable premises of your website and forum can just leave and not entertain ever any inclination to come back.]</font></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><font size="2">Thank you again just the same for not banning me, that is indeed very nice from your part.</font></font></p>
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<a href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/lets-talk-about-the-nose-in?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A470460"><font size="2">http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/lets-talk-about-the-nose-in?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A470460</font></a> Will we "Humans" evolve backwards?tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-12-27:1982180:Topic:4709402010-12-27T01:52:32.651ZMatthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/matthewsteinberg
<p>This is a question I've been thinking about for some time now. </p>
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<p>And when I saw a cartoon pic in one of the discussions <a href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/whats-with-the-pancakes?commentId=1982180:Comment:470897" target="_blank">here</a>, it reminded me of this question and decided to post this thread. (Sorry if it's repeated, I didn't really check)</p>
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<p>If we invented many things that help us live our lives and do our jobs much easier, will that make…</p>
<p>This is a question I've been thinking about for some time now. </p>
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<p>And when I saw a cartoon pic in one of the discussions <a target="_blank" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/whats-with-the-pancakes?commentId=1982180:Comment:470897">here</a>, it reminded me of this question and decided to post this thread. (Sorry if it's repeated, I didn't really check)</p>
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<p>If we invented many things that help us live our lives and do our jobs much easier, will that make us evolve backwards to the point where we lose some of our naturally selected organs that give us some abilities? </p>
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<p>I know that all of us won't witness it if it happens but I'm just wondering!</p>