Are American Muslims Terrorizing the Constitution?

The new terrorist in the United States isn’t wearing suicide vests and sporting AK-47s; they are wearing suits and ties and have law degrees. They are members of the state’s bars, state and federal legislatures, Islamic charities/lobbies, and members of the Judiciary. They run tax free IRS sanctioned non-for-profits as fronts to further the cause of Sharia acceptance in American Society and American Courts.

Before the “not all Muslims are bad people” crowd skip the rest of this column and proceed to defend the greatest threat to American freedom and security we face, let me say this: I don’t care what you think. Do business with whomever you wish. Marry an Islamist for all I care. Just don’t come complaining when some Judge or Elected Official tells you that American law no longer applies and you must live under Islamic subjugation.

Today in the United States there are well over 50 courts cases in various state and appellate courts that involve the use of the Muslim faith and its Sharia law. Business disputes, child custody, property division, criminal defense and Constitutional protections are being attacked by the Islamic legal community operating in our country. You will find a list and study of each high priority case at the following website www.shariahinamericancourts.com.

Many state Legislatures have taken the lead in attempting to pass legislation preventing any religious or international law from interfering or superseding the laws of their State and the United States Constitution and the Islamic community in America and abroad is fighting back. Foreign money operating U.S. based (non-taxable) charities benefitting Islamic Sharia advocacy in the U.S. judicial system is expansive and epidemic.

For decades Islamists have infiltrated our universities, business communities, government, and now they have a foot in the door of our legislatures and judiciaries. The Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (www.amjaonline.org) a 501c3 was established to lead the Muslim community to a “better understanding of the practice of the religion of Islam in Western Societies.” Sounds innocent enough until you take a look at their website. Under the “Declaration” heading you will find advice on “Issue’s facing the Muslim Family in the West” and counsel on Sharia obedience.

One such piece of advice deals with Insurance. According to the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America entering into a contract for insurance conflicts with the tenets of Islam or Sharia and should only be done if no other choice is given and it can be disputed on religious grounds in court. I wonder how Obamacare is going to work or how something as simple as automobile insurance laws and resulting torts will be affected by Sharia compliance in America. It appears that crossing ones fingers behind your back is now a respectable legal defense.

Since I only have 700 words to work with let me just say that they are advising all Muslims to ignore any laws that conflict with Sharia in all matters related to living outside of an Islamic Majority State. In other words, to be a good servant of Islam, the faith and Sharia obedience take precedence over any government or contract and many American Judges are entertaining Sharia principles and law when rendering civil and criminal court decisions all over our Nation.

Sharia law as documented in the Quran and Hadiths is explicit in its demand for adherence and practice by true Muslim believers. Contrary to what some accommodating American’s may believe Sharia law is not a myth; it is becoming a dangerous reality in America. “Islamaphobic” the term that will be used to characterize this article was created by Islamists much in the same way “homophobic” is used to demean and vilify traditional American values in more tolerant political circles. Ad hominem attacks by the culturally tolerant may be a convenient distraction from the successful advances of anti-American ideologies like Sharia, but only if the American public turns a blind eye to this insipient influence metastasizing in our American Courts.

The State of Michigan, home to our first Muslim U.S. Congressman and a state with one of the largest and growing populations of foreign born Muslims is joining nineteen other states in considering legislation designed to protect all its residents against application of foreign law and religious law in U.S. civil and criminal court cases. Four U.S. states already have such legislation and a U.S. House bill (HR 973) has been authored and referred to committee to address this issue.

I urge every U.S. citizen to contact their representatives and show support for these kinds of laws. Our nation has a history of waiting until we have a problem before acting to resolve it; especially amongst the electorate. We don’t need a “Sharia cliff” in America any more than we need special protections for one religious belief over another. Get active now.

America! America! Where has thy beauty gone? the rolling hills of yesterday, the lakes, the streams, the ponds? Man has polluted your air, And turned your waters to slime. You seem to be so helpless and changing with the times. Oh Beautiful, for spacious skies of pollution and exhaust, this is what our land has become, a land where hope is gone. where man cares only about himself and only today he sees. and then in time, as time goes by he throws tomorrow to the seas.

I wrote this in the 70’s, and who knew at that time i was projecting our state of Amereica at this time!

we MUST begin NOW working to keep the demise that I described here in this horrid poem.

Combat Veteran Seabee

@JimSchafer Your poem is not relevent, it reeks of liberal, hippie slant. I know, I was in that era, but I volunteered for Nam. I served up until 2005! You stated and I paraphrase,” we MUST begin now working to keep the demise described in this horrid poem.! You are either out of touch, lost for words, or way off in the meaning of your post on this site! The Demise of America? Please, go away before I get truly angered at you!

protectliberty

Lets face it… the terrorist are doing what they can to CHANGE US

Funny that that was a popular campaign slogan a while back.

We should all be aware of this tactic and do what we can to protect our traditions and not allow the far out minds to alter our stability and security.

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JohnEmery

the head terrorist is in the white mosque!!

BippyBellito

Making the assumption that all Muslims are terrorists out to overthrow the government of the U.S. from within, it is easy to spot the treachery that is taking place. Start with Huma Abedin and proceed form there.

ElizabethClark

@BippyBellito she is related to muslims that want to overthrow and kill americans, she is also the secretary to Hillary Clinton, who in my humble opinion is a commie as is the rest of the WH now

VirgoVince

NO American mu-slimes, or mu-slime Americans, just 3rd world terrorist garbage!!!! WE don’t care what they want, WE WILL STOP them and remove them from OUR country!!

Sgt York

Boys its time to stand up,count your guns,keep your powder dry,lock and load and stand guard over America

RobertUSA

In the US Constitution provides for a separation of church and state. That was done to pevet religions from running the government, and to prevent the government from dictation a state religion. Islam and it Sharia Law violates that part of the constitution. Their governments and courts are based upon Sharia Law…which is religious law….therefore, there is no separation of church and state under Islam

gary

@RobertUSA I hate to disagree with you, as we probably agree on many things, but so much disinformation is floating about, I occasionaly like to comment upon it. There is no separation of church and state in the constitution, and a founding father would have no issue with a nativity, a minorah or whatever a Mohammedean would have being displayed in the town hall. The constitution provides that the nation will not establish a religion, as the British monarchy required all Englishmen to be Church of England or be second class (almost kept James II from being crowned, Catholic that he was secretly). The constitution makes sure the government does not favour any religion. The practice of it however does not, much to the dismay of the socialist, disqualify anyone from engaging in politics or from use of public facilities as long as no endorsement is implied by the public administration. The current way of thinking is part of the war for secularism that the left is fighting (and winning, I believe) against the churches.

merriel46

@RobertUSA Have you ever read the Constitution? Maybe you should and concentrate on the 1st Amendment. The idea of separation of church and state is not in the 1st Amendment!!!!! It says ” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,or of the press;or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” The idea of separation of church and state came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to a friend of his. IT IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!

DrProTruth

@RobertUSA The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

The purpose of this first amendment to our Constitution was written by our founding fathers to protect these United States against a State Religion which is what they fled England over in the first place. This amendment guarantees our safety against a State Religion dictating to the populace how or Whom they should worship.

There is one of them in the White House terrorizing the Constitution right now as we speak.

antiliberalcryptonite

There is one of them in the White House terrorizing the Constitution right now as we speak.

Danshaw

There are very, very few Muslim Americans. The rest are just Muslims who do not assimulate into our culture and do not fit it at all. Yet we are inporting them by the thousands each year to prove we are not anti Mulsim, just anti muslim terrorists.

KeithCP

Once the constitution is voided, it’s everyone for themselves, the government will have no legitimate authority.

ElizabethClark

@KeithCP and who is going to delete the constitution????

RobertUSA

In answer to a previous news bit regarding our soldiers not saying anything that was offensive to muslums, I repeat. Everyone should buy a pound of bacon and spread it around the grounds of your local mosque if you have one. First of all it will help the pork farmers in this country, and second, it will show those muslums that there are a lot of tru Americans that are not going to bow down to them and their will…like Nobama did to the King of Saudia Arabia.

RobertUSA

If you wan Sharia law, then get you ass out of this country and into one of the countries where Islam is the primary religion/.

Cwiley12

This is incredibly pathetic. I would be willing to guarantee that no one who follows this garbage and has posted has an education beyond the high school level. You people are the reason US government is so un-productive and your lack of tolerance is disgusting. Go read a book or journal written by an educated individual and open your eyes. The country is changing for the better, join it or get left behind. And before you accuse me of being “one of them”, I am a 23 year old white male born into a middle class, suburban family and I am a university graduate.

VirgoVince

YOU CAN’T be serious, you’re an idiot libturd, indoctrinated in an idiot libturd school by other idiot libturds!! University grad doesn’t guarantee intelligence, by a long shot!! YOU should be ashamed to let anyone know you know nothing!!!!

Cwiley12

Linturd? Seriously? You are a redneck. Conservatives are one of a few things, its really quite funny. The extremely rich, those who think they are extremely rich and vote because it makes them feel “elite”, people who vote because their church tells them to i.e. abortion, stem cells, etc, and rednecks who thinks we democrats are evil and are going to take away their guns.

Roeech

@Cwiley12 Definitely a liberal idiot here, folks. No brain with which to reason, but call names as they always do because they have nor know anything of substance. Leave this character be and let him live in dreamland until reality comes with Obama and maybe then he will wake up. Or, is he radical muslim trying to sound like something else? Hmmm.

25th Division

@Cwiley12 AND PROUD OF IT !!!

MarJan

@Cwiley12 You are very young yet to be making such statements and proclamations. Just you wait a few more years and you’ll be singing another tune.

Cwiley12

Don’t you realize that my generation is the future? This is the 60’s again but we lost the long hair and pot, and we are a lot more productive. I used to be conservative, in fact I voted for John McCain in my first election. In college I learned how to make educated decisions, not what decisions to make. I am a scientist, I simply analyze facts and make decisions on a logical basis. You are all so off base and lacking true knowledge that its sad.

ElizabethClark

@Cwiley12 I ask you again are you liking that they want there laws here in the USA?

gary

@Cwiley12 John McCain was not a conservative. Think more, hear less.

Rabiddogg

@Cwiley12 Which educated decision? Liberalism is about returning people to the plantation. Read up on George Fitzhugh, the first American Socialist.

Roeech

@Cwiley12 I, too, am a sciecntist, but I was educated when education was truly educating, not the crap that calls itself education but is more indoctrination. Being a scientist does not necessarily mean you are smart or even a good scientist. Observe, hypothesize, and then culture to prove it. Bet you can do it!

Kissitgoodbye

@Cwiley12 / Well do your research, scientist! BTW… You aren’t the only one with a degree. We just don’t feel the need to post on them. That comes with age and security. History DOES repeat itself. You just weren’t taught history. Look up the connection between Islam and the Nazi Party.

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Kissitgoodbye @Cwiley12He was never taught about the involvement of hitler trying and succeeding to get the muslim turks to fight for him! That is history that the indoctrination centers will never teach, nor will they ever seek out the truth!

PghVince

WE also have to fight YOUR generation in order to save OUR future!! YOU idiot libturds caused the trouble we’re having right now, because you’re idiot libturds and know nothing about anything!!

JoeLineman

being a university graduate doesn’t mean you’ve got the common sense of a piss ant…which obviously you don’t….get your head out of the sand and see what is taking place in europe ..islam has it’s eyes set on world domination…not peace

Combat Veteran Seabee

@JoeLineman I was truly taken aback by his “I went to a University,” as versus a college. Hmmmm makes you think of this scenario. A University football coach comes in last in the standings for the season and they call him incompetent, and an idiot. But, in that SAME UNIVERSITY, If you come in last in the Med school, they still call you DOCTOR! He has no argument nor life experience!

DrProTruth

@JoeLineman Indeed, Islam’s very idea of peace is entire world domination under Shariah Law and all its inhabitants say: “There is not God but allah, and Muhammad his prophet.”

Edward53

@Cwiley12 Where did you attend college, scum, Karl Marx University? You’re 23 years old and don’t know shit.

Cwiley12

The University of Missouri. Smack dab in the middle of your binle belt paradise and I still escaped the right wing.

Cwiley12

The University of Missouri. Smack dab in the middle of your bible belt paradise and I still escaped the right wing.

Roeech

@Cwiley12 Since I am from Missouri, don’t go out after dark, because Missourians don’t put up with people like you. Somewhat closedminded there so I bet you are a loner in a strange land.

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Cwiley12No you didn’t! You were imprisoned by ideology, NOT LIVING WITH PRACTICALITY!!

JMcCarthy

@Cwiley12 What we have here is a failure to communicate, with Cwiley12. I doubt if he/she is really what they claim to be, it’s reply’s have all the earmarks of a Marxist Propagandist and is probably some burned out bald headed 60’s hippe with a dirty gray poney tail still living in their mother’s basement and “teaching” Anti-American studies at the nearest University. Don’t wast your time.

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Cwiley12 Take another hit of LSD Please, because you are definitely Hallucinating!!!

gary

@Cwiley12 This probably makes you “trained” as opposed to educated. I’ve had this argument with my son-in-law. He has been totally programmed not to hear anything but the message of the government and accuses me of being a capitalist (I am), a racist (I don’t think so), a sexist and every other -ist he’s been trained to call anyone who disagrees with him (some of my younger employees probably would also but then…you know). My beliefs have been proven to be true for several hundred years. Are there down side…yes, but where are there not? The socialism you young espouse has failed EVERY time and how much tolerance did Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot and the other leftists of the world show. The government is a lost cause, only the private secotr can prop it up and Obama is out to destroy us. I think you need to rethink (not re-feel) your position. It’s untenable.

tsancer

@Cwiley12 U are the one that is going to be left Behind::Cause u are a ZOMBIE ;and can’t see what is really Happening in this country

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Cwiley12 What year? That will explain it all, as I have my degree also! But I don’t suscribe to the liberal socialist rant that was being forced down our throats in the 60’s! That was the bastion and birth of your “MIS- EDUCATION, and definite INDOCTRINATION!

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Cwiley12 No, you are white male born into a public school system of propoganda, lack of free thought or encouragement of such thoughts, and it carried on until you thought that you had an education! You do NOT! You have no free thoughts, look at your own post! Question it if you dare! That will make you a free thinker and maybe then you will be educated!

Russ

@Cwiley12 23, educated in a liberal environment and not a clue about the history of this country. The more educated you become common sense goes out the door. Get out in the real world, experience real pain and then we can really talk about real issues that you don’t have an understanding.

tsparky

@Cwiley12 will im 50 yrs old and the US is not geting better, under obama 4 more yrs it will be gone. GOD be with us i pray the one and only lord of lords and king of kings!!!!!

Roeech

@tsparky @Cwiley12 One would assume at 50 you have some knowledge but obviously not. Perhaps too much booze or choom? When the feds entered into giving money to education in the 60’s, you were ill-educated but obviously well-indoctrinated.

Roeech

@Cwiley12 Hate to tell you how many, and especially myself, are very well educated, who have lived abroad, have suffered socialism and communism, and know the disaster of Islam, and they will tell you they are peaceful because they know you want to hear it. Our country is in trouble because of people like you who are not patriotic, probably voted for Obama, a muslim communist, and/or fraudulently or cheatinly voted for him instead of voting for man of values who loves this country. No muslim, except one and I know several, loves America but put on a good face for stupid people, like you. Tolerance is one thing, saving your life and the lives of others is quite another. Go live an England with sharia law, or the Mid-East and find out the truth.

rosie46

@Roeech @Cwiley12 Try France while you are exploring the wonders of Islam. They are starting to stand up and reject Islam. Cwiley12 Ask your mom or sister how they would like to live under Sharia law.

Shooky

Obviously a clear example of our educational system at work. They molded your brain into bing a Non American Sympathizer. What ashame.

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 Your background sounds eerily like the humble beginnings of the 24-year-old shooter today who managed to kill at least 20 innocent children between the ages of 6-10, and 8 adults notwithstanding, before his life was ended, and the 22-year-old shooter at the shopping mall near Portland, OR two days ago! So, your point is…???

Concerning your assessment that only the uneducated are–as you say–intolerant, I hold a bachelors degree, three masters and two doctorates, and am in a PhD Research Program as I write. My five years of research on the subject at hand reveals how childish ideology and your naivety to buy the political rhetoric being spoon-fed to America’s up-and-coming university students.

Open your eyes, young man–my advice: 1) Learn to think for yourself, read up on what is called “cause and effect”–something you would be very unfamiliar with given your uninformed assertions, and 2) Study radical Islam Terrorist Organizations like: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood et al, Dhimmi status in Islam dominated countries, Shariah Law, and the real motivation behind Islam before you come forward with your uneducated commentaries and unjustified accusations.

JimWebb

@Cwiley12 And YOU are tolerant? Looks like you are an educated idiot. We are NOT headed in the right direction, we are headed left and left is wrong.

Kissitgoodbye

@Cwiley12 /. You haven’t been in the world long enough to know any better. Research the connection between Islam and the Nazi Party, and get back to us.

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 Your background sounds eerily like the humble beginnings of the 24-year-old shooter today who managed to kill at least 20 innocent children between the ages of 6-10, and 8 adults notwithstanding, before his life was ended, and the 22-year-old shooter at the shopping mall near Portland, OR two days ago! So, your point is…???

Concerning your assessment that only the uneducated are–as you say–intolerant, I hold a bachelors degree, three masters and two doctorates, and am in a PhD Research Program as I write. My five years of research on the subject at hand reveals your childish ideology and your naivety to buy the political rhetoric being spoon-fed to America’s up-and-coming university students.

Open your eyes, young man–my advice: 1) Learn to think for yourself, read up on what is called “cause and effect”–something you would be very unfamiliar with given your uninformed assertions, and 2) Study radical Islam Terrorist Organizations like: Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood et al, Dhimmi status of non-Muslims in Islam dominated countries, Shariah Law, and the real motivation behind Islam before you come forward with your uneducated commentaries and unjustified accusations.

Oh, and, by the way, dear one: As you research Dhimmi status, bear in mind that if you do not belong to one of the two other monotheistic world religions–those being Christianity or Judaism–you would not even have the benefit of Dhimmi status, you simply would be beheaded.

Cwiley12

I doubt it. Why pursue 3 masters? PhD research program? A PhD Is research. You would say I am pursuing a PhD. And you hold a doctorate in what? You should change your name to DrLies. And for God’s sake please dont bring today’s tragedy into this. It is horrific and regardless of political disagreement, I think everyone in this country is mourning those events.

Combat Veteran Seabee

@Cwiley12And a liberal again turns to slander and accusatory behavior as they have no coherent retort! Go away please before you really embarrass yourself!

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 Again, you show your naivety, young man–this time about education.

Cwiley12

Well please enlighten me, I am pursuing a PhD in molecular biology next fall. Why does one get 3 masters?

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 So, you with what university are enrolled as a student in a PhD program? What is your your field? What is the topic of your project? And, I do apologize–in my fervor I mistyped my credentials–I hold two masters: MTh, MDiv; and two doctorates: DTh, DMin. I am currently enrolled in the PhD Research Program at Middlesex University, London. My field is Applied Theology and Ethics, and my dissertation is on the subject at hand–its working title: “Israel: Whose Land is it? An Examination of the Land of Israel and the three major monotheistic world religions that claim their roots in the Land, and how Christianity may broker peace in the Conflict.”

Cwiley12

I stand corrected. You are incredibly more educated on the subject than I. As I read the comments I have become somewhat interested in investigating some of the claims, however I do believe that some people on here are incredibly off base. Although this is cliche, I must present the concept of the “melting pot” that makes our country so unique. There are american muslims and I know of several who deviate from their religion quite a bit. No different from myself failing to go to church every sunday when I was in college, or my baptist friend who took up drinking and dancing in college. I am stunned at some of the racism and intolerance I have read here.

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 I recently posted this on another blog: I’ve been researching the Arab/Israeli conflict for over five years now. I have written an academic paper on the subject, have been to Israel three times researching the subject, have interviewed dozens of Muslims, Jews, Christians, ex-Muslims who are now Christians, and Messianic Jews in Israel as well as the United States–including academic leaders, political leaders, religious leaders and the average person on the street on both sides of the issue–and have produced a national television special called “Change the Heart Change the World” scheduled to air this month, have produced a four-week curriculum on the very subject, and am currently writing a dissertation on the subject: “Whose Land Is It? An Examination of the ownership of the Land of Israel and the three major world religions that claim their roots in this Land, and how Christianity may serve as the broker of Peace in the Middle East.” Through my research I have discovered the political rhetoric and misinformation the average American believes about the Israelis and the Palestinian-Arabs boggles the mind.

Palestine did not even exist until AD 135 when Hadrian, the then Emperor of Rome, conquered the Jews in the Jewish revolt against Rome Hadrian renamed the region Palaestina in an effort to blot out Judea from the annals of history. The irony is the Jews still living in the region would be considered the original Palestinians, if there were such a thing. The Arabs would not occupy this region five centuries later when they conquered the Byzantines in AD 638.

The region went under Damascus rule during the Ottoman Empire, and the name Palestine was revived by the British Mandate after WWI and the ultimate fall of the Ottoman Empire. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1917 Rothschild gave a portion of Palestine as a homeland to the Jewish nation who had been dispersed among the nations with no nation of its own for many centuries.

My research reveals Jews, Muslims and Christians alike are victims of radicalism, and of radical Islam terrorism in particular, where life and limb are threatened if people from all three factions resist their radical agenda of world domination. In some ways, the average Muslim living in the Holy Land is more the victim than other factions as they live under the constant rule of radical Islam terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood et al. and are pawns of the political rhetoric of radical Islam, which research reveals is drastically different from the mainstream religion of Islam.

The goal of radical Islam–according to Muhammad’s teachings in the Qur’an–is that the entire world be under the banner of Islam and they will stop short of nothing to achieve this goal. Under world domination of Islam Sharia Law would be the rule of the day. The only non-Muslims allowed to live in an Islam-dominated society under Sharia Law are dhimmi class citizens–they who are of another monotheistic religion i.e. Jew or Christian and agree to live under Islam and practice their own religion, not in public but only in the privacy of their own home. The “dhimmis” would pay a special surtax to the government of Islam, would have no rights under Sharia Law, and all their property would be confiscated and owned by the government as dhimmis are not allowed to own anything.

One of the primary misconceptions lies in the term “peace.” On one side, peace looks like co-existence, while on the other side, peace looks like the entire world under Islam saying “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad his prophet.” Under UN Resolution 242 Israel agreed to give back much of the land they gained during the ’67 Six Day War, but Islam’s answer to this resolution addressed in the Kartoom Resolution of 1967 was an astonishing “No Peace with Israel, No Negotiation with Israel, No Acceptance of Israel.” And this is the stance of radical Islam toward Israel to this day.

Although life in Israel is not perfect, it is a democracy and as such, the Muslim people have many freedoms their Muslim friends and family do not experience living in Gaza and the West Bank in the region. Because of this, many many Muslims “vote with their feet” by preferring to live in Israel under Israeli law over against living under the heavy hand of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.

While world leaders and politicians continue to try and mitigate the Middle East conflict through peace talks, land-for-peace talks, and cease-fires, my research reveals only through changed hearts on both sides will peace come to the Land. This is an ages-old struggle of sibling rivalry between two brothers–Isaac and Ishmael–that has carried on through their descendants and ultimately has engaged the entire world, and Jesus the Messiah–the Prince of Peace–holds the only answer to peace between the descendants of the two brothers.

There is so much more to say…and this is such an abbreviated and oversimplified explanation of this very convoluted conflict…but it is my hope that some will have a better understanding of what all residents of this region of the world experience on a daily basis, and how genuine peace will come to this Land only through changed hearts, not through changed policies.

Don DeHoff

@Cwiley12 Why? he has a thirst for knowledge. Also, I am sure, if you were civil, he would give you enough information to verify his statements—I do agree his “shooting” remark was off-target, but then again, your ranting and raving, encourages such responses.

Don DeHoff

@Combat Veteran Seabee @Cwiley12 As some of the “illiterates” pointed out to me, “slander”: is spoken, or gestured and libel is written or otherwise documented. I guess I am an illiterate with a BS.

Don DeHoff

@DrProTruth @Cwiley12 Doctor, we surely do have several congresspersons and Administration Officials who could use your services concerning the Israeli problems. In fact I too would be interested in your findings. I am but a lttle fish in the pond but I might be able to locate some congresspersons that might be interested on a “consult” basis. MyTel: 719-250-8420. Due to the current flaps on religion, I would suggest you consider substituting “Christianity….”, with, “how peace may be brokered in the conflict”.

jtitamer

@Don DeHoff @DrProTruth @Cwiley12

Don, I would suggest that you not suggest to a Christian to make any substitution for Christianity.

Don DeHoff

@jtitamer @DrProTruth @Cwiley12 Sir, you have a valid point, however, if you will read closely, I did not say to make a substitution to or for another religion. The issues in that part of the world are very volatile and I was suggesting at this point, not wave a red flag in front of the fanatics, and those supporting them, as I am sure the Doctor wants to get his work published, presented or used in the negotiating process. His work will stand on its own merits, and the title could prevent it from getting a fair hearing, and once published, presented or used in a negotiating process, it will be obvious that it is coming from a his (Christian?) viewpoint. You were observant, and I needed to explain the suggestion. Thanks.

DrProTruth

@Don DeHoff @Cwiley12 I would be very interested to discuss this with you further. We are in the 970 area code–just up the road from you…

DrProTruth

@Cwiley12 A bit more information on the subject…a fallacy initiated by radical Islam and political leaders like the one who currently occupies our nation’s White House and that is endorsed and propagated by the MSM is that there is a Palestinian people per se just like there is a Jewish people, and that in all fairness each should have their own nation. This could not be further from the truth.

To be clear: There is no Palestinian bloodline; there is no Palestinian native language; there is no Palestinian economy; there is no Palestinian industry et al–there is only radical Islam terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority who recently has allied itself with Hamas, all of whose only goal is to wipe Israel off the map and force them into the Mediterranean Sea through the means of forcing or inciting average Muslims to do their malevolent work for them.

When the Jews began migrating back to their homeland in the early 20th century they became known as Palestinian-Jews. This can be verified in the newsreel footage shot from that time. To this day there are Palestinian-Christians and Palestinian-Arabs living in Palestine and the Palestinian-Jews are all but a thing of the past.

It wasn’t until 1928, with the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood, when that organization began to refer to the Arabs residing in this region as Palestinians per se. Only after decades of hearing this rhetoric has the Arab populace residing in Palestine become known as Palestinians–to the exclusion of every other ethnicity.

Concerning Israel, on the other hand, history proves there is a Jewish people who has existed for some 4,000 years, who has been disinherited of their homeland several times down through the centuries. There is a Jewish bloodline traceable through the smallest amount of DNA; the Jewish people have a native tongue called the Hebrew language, which is spoken by all Israelis; they have a booming economy based in research and development on a world scale demonstrated through the creation and exportation of electronic devices like innovative cell phones and agricultural creations like hybrid tomatoes and bananas et al–not to mention their own defense system which is second to none–as it indeed must be.

DrProTruth

@Don DeHoff@Cwiley12 Actually, we are just releasing a film on the very subject of Muslims and Jews becoming Christians. The name of the film is “Change the Heart Change the World.” Through five years of extensive research and three trips to Israel to interview Jews, Muslims, Christians, ex-Muslims–now Christians, and Messianic Jews in the fields of politics, academia and journalism, as well as religious leaders from all these backgrounds, we discovered Yeshua haMashiach, Jesus the Messiah, is the only answer to peace in the Middle East conflict.

In our film, we interview ex-Muslims, now born-again, like: Mosab Hassan Yousef, who was born in the West Bank to one of the five founders of Hamas, and groomed to become the leader of the radical Islam terrorist organization, Hamas; Kamal Saleem, Lebanon-born Muslim groomed by the Muslim Brotherhood and sent to the U.S. by them to recruit terrorists; and Nonie Darwish, Egyptian-born to one of the heads of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Each of these had a radical change of heart when they encountered Yeshua haMashiah, the Savior of the world.

Our call by Jesus the Christ is to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us and abuse; we are called to go into ALL nations and preach the Gospel–that includes the Muslim nations as well as the Jewish nation. Are we allowed to physically go into these nations and share the Gospel with Muslims or Jews? No, we’re not. Can we pray for the salvation of Jews and Muslims, and in the same manner and to the same degree we pray for our friends and loved ones? absolutely!

So, as Christians, let us get back to what God has called us to, and that is to love even those with whom we vehemently disagree, and to pray for those whom we consider our enemies, as if they were our own family.

25th Division

@Cwiley12 what was your GPA “1” ? because your post confirms it.

Don DeHoff

“CW” Your “this” is somewhat less than precise and I know not of what or which you you are complaining. It apears you are referring to Islam and the Muslime culture. I agree that profanity, obnoxious nicknames and gutter language is unproductive, but the Muslim/Islamic issues are the greatest problems this great country has experienced since our Civil War. I have a BS degree and I have spent the last 4 years intensely studying Islam and the Muslim culture. Don’t tell me you have read an English translation of the Qur’an and you understand that Holy Book. In the interest of brevity, read my prior lengthy post I just made. When I say the Muslim Holy Book is almost completly undeceipherable, I mean it. The proof is, that the Muslims, themselves, have published reams upon reams of other official supporting documents, attempting (in vain), to clarify what that “unchangable” document reveals and does not reveal. Unless you have a full understanding of its lack of chronology, its undated “abrogations”, inserted at random, thouighout the document, you and I are not even on the same wavelength. I now have about 20 linear feet of book shelves filled with books, both pro and con, on the subject and many hundreds of hours of wading through Google and the other search engines. And while not yet an expert, I find I can hold my own with most learned Muslims. For background material, I suggest you sign up with Ms. Brigitte Gabriel’s, “Act For America”, Dr. Hamid’s, “Just a View”, and the Canada Free Press (CFP). They all tell it “like it is”. My other post provides some book references.

RobertUSA

I hope thereare som muslums reading this….because…..I bought a Koran and rip the pages out and use them to pick up dog poop in my yard.

Rabiddogg

@RobertUSA your dog’s poop deserves better. Make sure you burn it and then mix bacon grease into the ashes.

25th Division

@Rabiddogg @RobertUSA Say it again Rabiddog–just in case someone missed it the first time.

Cwiley12

Robert, I am a born catholic and I think that you are scum for the way you treat someone else’s holy text. Do you know that there are stories of Jesus in that book. Probably not since you are obviously a complete moron!

ElizabethClark

@Cwiley12 but, they don’t recognize Jesus as our savior, plus do you want sharia law in this country????

Rabiddogg

@Cwiley12 the Koran twists the stories of Jesus. It also calls for never ending war against his followers (apostates) since the Romans refused to help Mohammed sack the Jewish city of Yathrib and for not recognizing him as a prophet. Ironically he declared never ending war on the Jews for not helping him sack Medina and not recognizing him as a prophet.. See a pattern?

Roeech

@Cwiley12 It is NOT a holy text but a book about what to do with the rest of us. Shortly, there will be a true interpretation of the Qu’Ran because what we have now is what the Islams want us to have – think they are a philosophy of peace. Taint so. Not holy at all, but a terrible miserable lifestyle and they are too dumb to know it hurts them as well.

Don DeHoff

@Roeech @Cwiley12Sir, the Muslims look upon their Qur’an with far more reverence than most Christians do their Bible. Keep in mind Muslims are taught the Qur’an at a very early age and when they reach maturity it is still taught to the tune of 5-times a day, every day, via prayers. Today’s Christians probably, at most, study the Bible once a week and for many, just during Christian Holy Days. Muslims are taught that it is the “next-life” that is important and to die for Islam is the most honorable thing a Muslim can do. There are several “approved” English translations of the Qur’an, none of which are easy to read, in that the English most always is stilted. I use the M.M. Pickthal 2000 Translation of “The Glorous Qur’an”. See my other post concerning a more readable Muslim document. I would suggest that all refrain from “badmouthing” the Muslim Holy Book, unless they are fully knowledgable of the subject matter. Without taking sides, our Republic, Constitutional and freedom way of life is diametrcally opposed to Islam and the Muslim culture—and if we delay making a firm stand, there is going to be much blood in the streets. With the multitude of WMD now available, such a conflict could mean the premature end of this planet. As “TR” said, let us “walk softly but carry a big stick”.

DrProTruth

@Don DeHoff @Roeech @Cwiley12 Thanks, Don, for posting this wise advice to all those participating in this discussion.

Don DeHoff

@Cwiley12″Cwiley12″. Before you really show your ignorance of Islam and the Muslim culture, I suggest you read just Surah 19, of the Qur’an. It “abrogates” most all of the peaceful, tenets of the rest of that Holy Book. The Qur’an, by iteself is completly undeceipherable, by most all, except the most learned Muslims. It is completly lacking in chronology, and its undated “abrogations”, randomly inserted, add to its un-readability. To further complicate the issue, none of the undated abrogated material has been removed from the document. One has to know the dates of both the revelations and the abrogations, as the latter take presidence over the former. Surah 19 contains Muhammad’s final “death-bed” revelations, and they change the entire document from one of peace, tolerence, understanding and forgivness to a openly declared declaration of war against all non-believers. “Cwiley12″ , you being a Catholic, if and when the Muslims “take-over” this country, they will give you three choices; (1), become a second-class Muslim citizen, (2), pay an annual exorbitant tax (and still be 2nd class), or (3), have your “head removed”. Call me moron if you wish, but I am informed and I have grown somewhat fond of my head. To get a better feel of Islam, I suggest you get a copy of their book, “Reliance of the Traveler, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, translated by N.H.M. Keller, in 1991, with a revised edition in 1994. It is printed in Arabic, with “facing” English. Being a law document, it does not have the abrogation issues and is very readable. It is “double” indexed for easy surfing of subject matter and provides a lot of insight into Islam and the Muslim culture. In fact it is so readable that most non-Muslim women who read it, avoid the Muslim culture and Islam, as if they were the plague. And I do trust you already know their Qur’an and its many supporting other directives, cover ALL facits of life, including how to brush one’s teeth, to which hand to use in performing “daily necessities”. The Muslims also insist that their God and the Christian God are “one and the same”. One does not have to be a PhD to clearly see they are as different as night and day.

25th Division

@Don DeHoff @Cwiley12 Well said Don. Now if we could just educate our leaders in washington.

25th Division

@Cwiley12 what book are you reading and which book are you talking about? If it is in the Koran then he is probably mentioned as an enemy–kill him.

Tea Party

Any Judge that rules on their side of Sharia Law should be removed from the bench. Let’s hold them accountable. Keep track of who rules on what so we can vote then off. A make sure they never get seated on a higher court. Tea Party forever.

25th Division

@Tea Party That is well said—but what do you do with federal judges that is appointed and not voted into office–check with obama maybe he has a suggestion.

me

Take all muslims and their islam stuff and dump it down the deepest, darkest hole.

RobertLatta

As patriotic Americans, we must say no to barbaric Sharia law. If Muslims want to live under Sharia law, they are free to move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Combat Veteran Seabee

Look at Dearborneistan now!!!!!!

Rick

@Combat Veteran Seabee Plow the whole damn place under and start over. First clean out the Dearbornistas. If they don’t want to leave peacefully, the let the body count begin.

Nanashi

Careful guys. A Bosnian Serf General has been convicted by the U.N. for war crimes on Muslims…

cwiley. You are programmed into thinking you are a scientist making logical decisions. A logical person does not endorse activities that are harmful to his own society.

Don39

YES! STARTING WITH THE MUSLIM FRAUD IN THE WH!

Kissitgoodbye

They hide under the banner of freedom of religion, but make no mistake about it they have an Islamo- fascist agenda. All I can say is we are under the same threat as we were in WWII, only now it is not only in Europe, but in the USA. The problem is that our leadership wants to pretend it doesn’t exist.

NavyJR

@Kissitgoodbye This is MUCH bigger and goes much DEEPER than I think you’ve gotten onto yet, my friend; I just got onto the last piece of the whole thing I needed to really understand it, and I’d be glad to discuss it further off site with you, if you want.

Kissitgoodbye

@NavyJR / HOW do we do that? We don’t want unwanted contact by others.

@NavyJR / BTW, Navy. I have been researching this since writing with you and To say that this is alarming is an understatement !

Kissitgoodbye

I’m sure I don’t know the half of it, too!

Roeech

@Kissitgoodbye We have no leadership but wanna Muslim Dictator. He stated before 2008 and after that if push came to shove, he was on the side of muslims. Why can we not get him out of the White House and America? Are we too far gone now? This is a terrible philosophy and not a religion, and full of hate, murder, pedophilia, multiple wives who are treated way worse than cattle. Most are ill-educated or no education, but are easily brainwashed. Obama helped them in Egypt, Libya and now wants to send OUR military to protect them in Syria. We must stop this stupidity.

NavyJR

The scarier part is that Sharia is being used as a TOOL to destroy our Constitution by Muslims, but THEY are the tools, in doing so, of yet another and more sinister terrorist organization which MUST bring down our Constitution and ALL belief in its morality and principles in order to achieve its global goal!

VicBailey

Assimilate or get the HELL OUT. We have room for but ONE Flag in America, the American Flag, we have room for but one language, the English language. If you don’t like it, DELTA is ready when you are! This is AMERICA, NOT some third world country where you are allowed to molest young girls or livestock! So be governed accordingly! Semper Fi.

Kissitgoodbye

@VicBailey / They will not assimilate. They want to force us to live under Sharia. They will murder you if you are unwilling to.

Rick

@Kissitgoodbye @VicBailey Not if we kill them first. Our only problem to date is we haven’t piled the bodies high enough!

Don39

@Kissitgoodbye @VicBailey We are not and can not do any such thing. Especially as long as the current illegitimate regime remains in power!

25th Division

@Don39 @Kissitgoodbye @VicBailey We start with the regime–and go from there.

Don39

@Kissitgoodbye @VicBailey Yes it is coming to that. Do not forget they have members(Ellison) in the US Congress already. Their is no way a practicing Muslim which he claims to be can legally swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend the Republic. So yes, Ellison and those like him are liars and traitors and enemies of this nation! Their leader is in the WH!

NavyJR

@VicBailey Thanks for our service, sir; and Semper Fi, Marine! I agree with what you’re saying here, and that “amnesty” for criminal activity only breeds contempt for the law!

Don39

@VicBailey Your/our government does not agree with you!

2WarAbnVet

Islam has been at war with the non-Islamic world since the year 632. By the time of Muhammad’s death, in that year, most of the Arabian Peninsula had been converted to Islam, and the tribes of Arabia had united into a single Muslim religious polity.

From that point Muslim conquest raged across the Middle East, North Africa, and into Western Europe. It was finally checked by Charles Martel in north-central France at the Battle of Tours (October 10, 732), a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Europe (called by Muslims the Battle of Court of the Martyrs)

The crusades, so reviled by Muslims were attempts to restore Christian control of the Holy Land, and were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Encouraged by the failure of European armies in these crusades, Islam continued its quest to dominate the world.

The Ottoman Empire probed into the Adriatic Sea, seeking entry through central Europe. A fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of Catholic maritime states, decisively defeated the main Islamic fleet at the Battle of Lepanto on 7 October 1571.

Undeterred the Muslims sought to invade Eastern Europe through the Balkans, and were finally defeated there by Prinz Eugen, who scored a decisive victory against the Ottomans at the Battle of Zenta in 1697. Although they were stopped before the gates of Vienna, Muslims continued to have a major presence in the Balkans. They have been a source of discord in that area to the present day.

For many years a primitive outlook placed Muslims at a disadvantage in comparison to a dynamic Europe. In recent years, however, oil money and the spread of technology, assisted by Western apathy, have allowed a massive Muslim resurgence.

Don39

@2WarAbnVet To sum up if I may, Muslims have always been a midevil war ring people and they have not changed nor will they. The only way they will be stopped is by some entity to be smart enough and have the backbone to stop them by any and all means necessary. They are the lefts worst nightmare yet they try to appease them playing right into their hands, Since 632 they have not lessened their intent to rule or destroy the Jews and Infidels, nor have they softened their methods or their stance, and in fact seeing the weakness of the west, have strengthened considerably in this century. The realism of their waning economic clout with the disappearing oil reserves has in fact made their mission more desperate and thus the mass migrations to the west and their desperate efforts to invade and coopt those nations that hold the potential for an economic future, especially huge oil reserves. The invasion is on and we are in peril, but the political class is to much of a fool to see it. The way the nation is going, those pumping oil in the mid-east today will be doing so in the US in less that 20 years and with the fraud regimes blessings! Already the regime forces oil to be shipped to refineries in the mid-east for processing, while US owned refineries and oilmen set idle.

Roeech

Sad but true and since Obama supports Islam, they are in our federal government in way too many numbers. If they want sharia, go to England or back to the Mid-East. They will NOT change OUR America to their decadent and terrible system of philosophy. Americans are beginning to wake up and that means watch out!

Don39

@Roeech When a fraud and failure muslim gets reelected to the office of president, I fear your optimism is not justified. You will not know this nation at the end of another, unfettered, 4 yr. reign!

Kissitgoodbye

@Roeech / I wish Americans were waking up! Did you see “The View ” where O’Reilly was speaking about Muslims and Joy Behar had a hissy fit over his “VIEW”? I guess it’s only THEIR view that matters. THE PC VIEW!

Public_Citizen

The first step to combating this encroachment on our civilization and way of life is to recognize and understand that these advocates of Sharia Law are ~~squatters~~ . They have no intention of conforming to US law or custom. Their chief goal is to impose their own personal belief system and system of law on as many people as possible. Since the United States of America has a Constitution that is anathema to the principles of Islam and the Sharia Law that is the foundation of all of their laws and customs they will attack the US legal system at every opportunity and every point looking for a crack that may be used as an exploit to bring the entire system down. We need judges and prosecutors that recognize these ~facts~ and will aggressively uphold their oaths of office in the prosecution, and if necessary the persecution, of those who would bring our way of life to ruin. The front organizations providing the funding need to be prosecuted as unregistered agents for foreign governments and their members need to be investigated for treason. The same for those false fronts of religion called Mosques. They hide behind a mask of religion and use it as a breeding ground for hatred against America and American Institutions, teaching the supremacy of a system of laws that is in direct opposition to everything that the United States Constitution stands for both in principle and in statute. Wake up America, the only thing that is at stake is your way of life. If you are willing to live as a second class “citizen” with your rights stripped from you and subject to the whim of people who hate you just for living continue in your “American Idol” revery. The only thing you have to loose is ~~everything~~.

Kissitgoodbye

They hide under the banner of freedom of religion, but make no mistake about it they have an Islamo- fascist agenda. All I can say is we are under the same threat as we were in WWII, only now it is not only in Europe, but in the USA. The problem is that our leadership wants to pretend it doesn’t exist.

Rick

@Kissitgoodbye Same jerks were supporters of old Uncle Adolph! We should force them to renounce Sharia Law if they want to step foot on our soil else tell them to take a hike. Same goes for any supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. Another Nazis group from WWII

J Joy

If they are true Muslims, they believe in Shariah law and they believe that we should be following Shariah law as well. They will not stop until we are all indoctrinated or dead. That doesn’t sit well with me especially when our President refuses to call them terrorists and refuses to do everything possible to improve the immigration laws and close the borders. But even those small steps will not remove the terrorists that are already here and to ignore the fact that there are terrorists here living as us, with us, like us who have every intention of indoctrinating or killing us all. It is despicable to ignore these facts.

JimWebb

The Democrats and Rhinos are doing a pretty good job of trashing the Constitution, the don’t need any help from the Muslims.

RonCole

I have not run over one today but they are aparently everywhere. Le al Qaeda impostor curtsying queer bar queen ∅′blow the blamer’s talking point imam of choice moocherwhat ahmadinejad are extremely efficient recruiters. The dimfecal kongress is loaded with al Qaeda sympathizers, apologist, fascist,commies, and the rinos sport a bunch also. What is an ole Constitution loving gun totin’ ( an’ bow hunting) ctogenarian white male WASP to do? mea culpas or to paraphrase ole POGO, “I have seen the enemy and it is them muslim fascists”.

Redmongo1

Yes. With the help of the left wing judicial system. Wake up you morons! Follow the Constitution!

RUKIDDING

The biggest enemy to America is the indifference of her citizens. The attitude “it will never happen here” will bite us soon or later in the behind, if we don’t wake up and smell the coffee. It is just sad that our government is supporting the notion that our society needs to be more open and accepting. They condition our children in our schools and before we know it the United States are “history.” PROTECT the Constitution, STOP Political Correctness and Indoctrination in Schools, SUPPORT Christian values, otherwise we are toast.

Patrick Dale

All Americans should be aware that Obama is at heart a Muslim, we the people do not want that in America but if you let them live here and we did, this is what happens when you do not use the mind God gave you. He, Obama, has given or let it happen, F15″s to Egypt, a new Muslim home and they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and you know what, this country under Obama is doing this, the first part of this was started under Bush and going to the friendly Egypt not this Muslim group. Obama could have stopped it if he wanted too. As you know he did not stop it, We the People must take our country back by many different means, the Constitution gives us that right, are you all afraid of this right?

1catfish

@Patrick Dale If Clinton had done his job, there never would have been a 9/11. This did not start with either BUSH!

icetrout

Prepare for Civil War,Obama is going to revoke the 2nd amendment…

apaloosaone

PEOPLE ARE TOO RELAXED WITH THEIR LITTLE CELL PHONE TOYS AND ALL THEIR LITTLE TOYS. NOT UNTIL THE MUSLIMS COME TEARING DOWN THEIR DOORS WILL THEY EVER FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES. IT WILL BE TOO LATE THE AMERICAN FLAG WILL HAVE MUSLIMS DESIGNS ON IT/

icetrout

@apaloosaone turn the caps off…

apaloosaone

BLAME BOBO AND BLAME THE HYPOCRITE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR GREED. THE GOP HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ALL ABOUT IT IS ABOUT MONEY AND GREED ALL HYPOCRITES. FIRST SENILE DOLE THEN NO SHAME MCCAIN, NOW IT WAS THE CORP QUEEN WHICH APPARENTLY BOUGHT OUT THE GOP LEADERSHIP. PEOPLE ARE LETTING ALL THESE IMBECILES GET AWAY WITH THIS NONSENSE WHILE AMERICA IS BEING LOST. AFRAID OF THE MUSLIMS AND THE MEXICAN CARTELS, WE ARE IN AFGANISTAN WHILE WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING MEXICO. TROOPS SHOULD BE AT HOME LINED UP AGAINST OUR BORDERS. NO RIGHTS FOR MUSLIMS IF THEY DONT LIKE IT TOUGH. OH, NO MORE BUSH PLEASE ENOUGH WITH BUSH USELESS WARS WE HAVE HAD ENOUGHT OF BUSH I AND II NO MORE PLEASE!!!.

1catfish

@apaloosaone You moron, learn what bipartisan is. With Ohomo, you become a prisoner.

RightStuff44

@apaloosaone What a drunk fool. And what nice things to you have to say about the Democrats? You seem to be such a well-balanced person. LOL.

bgh222

In the Sunna of Mohammed (the Hadith) read Sahih Bukhari Vol. 5, book 59 number 369. “Mohammed asked, who will kill Ka’b the enemy for me. Bin Maslama rose and responded, “O Mohammed! would it please you if I killed him?. Mohammed answered yes. Bin Maslama then said “Give me permission to deceive him with lies so my plot will succed.” mohammed replied, “You may speak falsely to him”. Is your friendly neighbor deceiving you?. the word is Taqiyya, deception in war.

Fuzzerrelli12

@bgh222 That sounds alot like our POTUS, lies and deceitfulness the America. With our president deceiving America does it really matter if your neighbor does too. More the reason for having a CCW.

RightStuff44

Our biggest enemy is ignorance, and most of the igrnorant people are liberals. They are intelectually lazy, and void of any coherent philosophy of representative governance. We are in deep stuff unless there is some crisis that wakes those mentally lazy people. Meanwhile, expect the Federal government to start actions to confiscate any weapons you have for self-defense.

icetrout

@RightStuff44 Is that going to include the propane cylinder for the BBQ too ???

RightStuff44

@icetrout Likely. Liberals are not very intelligent, and do not consider anything except that fact that they are “doing good”. Do-gooders were behind the passage of the law in Denver where pot is now legal.

icetrout

@RightStuff44 @icetrout All drugs should be legal as to take tax burden off citizens… guess your job depends on drug laws…

icetrout

@RightStuff44 & don’t say it will increase drug use…lol

RightStuff44

@icetrout Are you stoned, or what?

RobertJones1

@RightStuff44 Only if they can get past the bullets.

bgh222

Islam is not really a just a religion, it is a theology. A complete way of life that is the only way of life to a Muslim. All other religions, theologies and atheist must be submissive to Islam. If you do not convert, you will be fined or killed. Don’t ever try try to tell me the Islam is a peaceful religion.

icetrout

@bgh222 It’s the cult of the moongod…

remesquaddie

Can someone come up with names, address of their offices, or their homes? I’d like to send them a Christmas card, you KNOW.

NunnyahBiz

muslim, morman, no difference! Both alleged “religions” were created by psychotic, perverted men for the “sole purpose” of controlling the masses through brutality, rape, & violence, so they could enjoy their perverse activities of brutality, rape, & violence! They were wrong then and are still wrong now!

Remember, “When good men are confronted by evil and refuse to do anything, only evil will prevail”

I confront every muslim pervert I see and demand they get out of my Country, DO YOU???

RightStuff44

@NunnyahBiz Another special education student posting here. Beware of the idiocy.

NunnyahBiz

@RightStuff44 @NunnyahBiz Yeah, right! Just like that “special ed student” that was stripped, molested and humiliated by liberal perverted, homosexual, police & school administrators in the bathroom of Taft High School in Chit-cago last week!!! And that wasn’t idiocy, it was premeditated and deliberate!!!

RightStuff44

@NunnyahBiz Take a hike, hateful troll.

NunnyahBiz

@RightStuff44 @NunnyahBiz

TRUTH HURTS doesn’t it???!!!

Kissitgoodbye

@RightStuff44 / You seem to be lacking that which most special needs children have and that is humanity!

Kissitgoodbye

Having said that, I do not compare Mormonism with Islamists!

RightStuff44

@Kissitgoodbye Maybe there is hope for you.

Kissitgoodbye

/@RightStuff44 /. IMHO… Calling names dilutes the seriousness of the issue and deflects from it. Then we end up with an exchange that makes everyone look bad.

mallen11

@NunnyahBiz You are absolute correct.

bob25030

here little piggy what we should say too all mulslums ,they are evil serve the devil ,they can repent ask jesus too save them or get too hell out of the u s a they can go back too there islamica pig pines over seas breed all the sows theyu want.

RightStuff44

@bob25030 Too bad you are so illiterate, because you might have a legitimate comment or two to make.

LewisSanborn

@RightStuff44 @bob25030 There’s logic in his words.

USPatriotOne

@RightStuff44 @bob25030 RightStuff44, don’t use this name, it belongs to real hero’s and I can tell be your comment you don’t have the right stuff. Communist morron…!!!

I believe the US Marines were founded to fight the Muslim pirates in the southern Mediterranean Sea. We’ve known long enough that the Muslims are so far behind modern man in their mental development that we will not control them except through brute force. In time, Michigan will be the United States’ West Pakistan. The Indians got tired of messing with them and gave them the whole area that is now known as Pakistan. “From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli” are words we should listen to and learn.

Mwalltexan

There is no such thing as an “American” Muslim. There also, is no such thing as a “German” Muslim, “British” Muslim or any other designation that suggests a loyalty to any country outside of the Middle East.A Muslim’s allegiance to Islam is paramount…… Islam is first, last and always. The allegiance to Islam transcends everything else ie., family, friendship whatever.Nothing is done in Islam by personal choice or individual preferences. Every action in Islam is with Allah’s saction including the sudden immigration of so many Muslims to Christian Countries. Allah has a “master plan”. In our world and what’s left of our culture that premise of a “master plan” is laughable but, in their world it is deadly serious and we won’t be laughing if they succeed.Believe the politically correct propaganda spewed non-stop on Islam, on sexual deviancy, homosexuality, pornography, and all of the gut wrenching myriad of twisted concepts that undermine the very foundations of God, Marriage, Family, Country and decency upon which we have built our lives, OR believe your own eyes, ears and heart. How can any rational, intelligent American continue to discount their own observations and experiences to mindlessly believe what they are told to believe? Just open a few history books for confirmation of what all of your senses tell you. Reality belies the propaganda.

juswonderin

I read on another website that Texas is beginning to teach Islam in their schools & parents aren’t allowed to see what’s in the progams that they use instead of books. Texas of all states will put up with this?? I’d be shocked if the Texas govt will allow this, but who knows now, what’s gonna teach our kids to be like??

USPatriotOne

As I have stated many time now, a Civil War is coming! The fake Pres in the WH completely supports and invite these murdering Islamic Thugs into WH over 100 times in the last 2 years. These Mudering SOB’s are the front for the New World Order. Go listen to Dr. Michael Williams show “The Patriot Report” on webtalkradio.net and get the real story on what is happening in our Nation.

AWKingsley

Very good article except for this part: “Before the “not all Muslims are bad people” crowd skip the rest of this column and proceed to defend the greatest threat to American freedom and security we face, let me say this: I don’t care what you think.” This paragraph is rather offensive, and Sharia is hardly the greatest threat to American freedom and security, but our overspending and Economic failure is our greatest threat. Our lack of fiscal restraint puts us at odds with China and Russia who are easily the greatest threats to American freedom and security. We owe both China and Russia too much money, and we are trying to walk all over them in addition.

I do not believe anyone other than Sharia minded Muslims are interested in forcing Sharia Law on the U.S., and I appreciate your call to action. Another action that can be taken is to write your Congressman to put pressure on the State Department to tighten up on immigration interviews. Immigration Officers need to make sure that Muslims who must put Sharia Law before U.S. Law do not immigrate to the U.S. They can put the question to potential Muslim immigrants numerous times in different ways in the immigration interviews, so we do not allow Muslim militants into the U.S.

charlie

@AWKingsley you sir are a fool. they have permission from their devil profit to lie and they do. all muslims will answer the call when it comes or they will be killed along with the rest of us. they are cowards and will not take a chance no matter what they say now all muslims must be sent back to where they belong

1JBrice1

@AWKingsley This is very hard to do as the biggest muslim in charge lives in the White House. Muslim is NOT a religion, it is a political force to rule the world. There is no religion in beheading, stoning, crucifying, etc. innocent people. Obama was put where he is by muslim countries to destroy the US from within and he is doing a damm good job. No foreign laws, muslim or other wise, should be allowed in our country. If they want their laws they should stay or go back to the country they worship. Their countries would laugh until they cried if we tried to tell them what laws they could enforce. Turn around is fair play.

Don DeHoff

@AWKingsley “AW”, I question your reasoning. I recall about a year ago, someone ran a survey of adult male Muslims in the U.S, concerning “Jihad”. Over 80% said they would respond to such call if requested by the “Brotherhood”. Keep in mind, they are taught this Jihad nosense since they were very young children, along with “there is nothing more noble than giving one’s life for Islam, so they can go on “to the promised land”, and enjoy their 70 virgins”. Also, Islam dictates the death penalty for any deviation from their Holy Book and that deviation includes being “moderate”. Also, immigration “interviews” are not going to solve the problem, in that the Qur’an, not only permits but demands , lying, cheating, decieving and even murder, if doing so furthers the cause of Islam. Also, keep in mind, most non-Muslims go to church but once a week, if at all, and the Muslims, from a very young age are forced-fed their religion every day and as adults, the are required to attend prayers 5-times a day. I sincerly believe this Muslim/Islamic issue is the gravest problem this country has encountered since our Civil War. Some say our President the the larger problem—to which I respond, there is a good possibility they “are one and the same”. I also sense the Muslim and other NWO groups are “stirring the racist and political pots” to divide us so they can “move in and take over”.

juswonderin

@Don DeHoff @AWKingsley Don & AWKingsley: I agree with you 100%. You have stated the truth!! God help us; we really need it!

juswonderin

@AWKingsley Sorry, but that would be “discrimination” & that’s not allowed IF they are Islamist Muslims. When our soldiers, marines, sailors have to handle them with kid gloves & make sure they don’t offend a Muslim…so they are free to immigrate & live freely any way they want. That’s just the facts!!

BobMarshall

History shows that the Constitution ceased to be our governing document in 1913. Sixteen times this year Obama completely ignored the Constitution. Obama, George Soros and Cass Sunstein have called for a new more “progressive living” constitution.

http://Politicalrevelution.com/ walt1976

The Muslims have more rights that a Chrsiatian, and almost more rights thatn the average American, when the people put a Muslim in the White House I ask myself what do we do now. The Japanies always said they would take over the US without fireing a shot, well that is what the Muslims have been ablee to do since 9-11, how fast we forget the over 3000 of our fellow Americans killed that day, and how our Nation seem to unite together, which most people said that would not last long, and how Americans turn to God for help and we have fought two wars with some deaths but not near as many as WWII, and that sur did not last long, now the Liberals have just handed over our Nation to the Muslims. What has happen to the Greatest Country in the World.

REMEMBER, BOBO IS A MUSLIM BUT ALSO GEORGIE BUSH II SAID; NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD!” IMAGINE THAT, BOBO IS GIVING AWAY THE NATION TO MUSLIMS WHILE THE GOP IS ALSO PATHIFYING THEM.

apaloosaone

thacatfish character sounds like a real loser. perhaps still in his parents basement, get a life first

apaloosaone

DRPROTOOTH?!? SOUNDS LIKE A WHACKO, HEY LITTLE BOY GET A LIFE FIRST BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR DUMB TRAP. YOU AND CATFISH MUST BE TWO LITTLE BOYS LIVING TOGETHER SHARING THE SAME BED GET A LIFE

sgtgrumpy

The only thing that is going to stop this muslim invasion is bullets.

tomnchrist

Allah sees a God wanted sign over America, Previous God has been fired. The 50% that voted for Obama, voted out the God of our Founder’s and Father’s, The fanatical followers of Allah are more devoted than the feminist followers of Secularism, so guess who will fill the vaccum. Our founders stated that their Republic would only function in a moral society based on Biblical values . We are seeing this truth as our society crumbles right before eyes, even though the MSM is trying their best to continue the Secularist religious vision, they will be the first to fall for Sharia Law. The ONLY way to restore this nation is for the Church to repent for trying to be both secular and godly. Then they would have to retore Bibilical teaching like rebuking Sin instead of authorizing it (Gay Clergy). But, sadly I don’t see it happening. And I don’t see much of a fight before our leaders capitulate.

grams

Muslim is not just a religion, it’s a way of life, a culture so to speak. Their teachings are none believers (infidels), should be destroyed. They want us to abide by their sharia law. I say, they can worship their god, but we have laws in this country that are not sharia law, we do not believe in murder for honor or any other reason, and if you cannot abide by the laws of the land … you are free to leave. Period. IF you go to an Islamic country, you are required to follow their laws, so they should respect our laws and stop trying to change them. No excuses, no exceptions, abide by the laws here or get out. Period.

kbcab

I truly believe they are and won’t stop untill the whole world is muslim..They have been fighting for this objective for centuries…

Randy131

It is written into the Obamacare Law that all Muslims are excempt from having to participate because of religious convictions that all insurance is a form of gambling and prohibited by the Islamic faith. This was done at the order of Obama himself.

Don DeHoff

@Randy131After spending 20 years in the USAF, I worked for a large mutual life insurance compamy for about 30 years. Insurance is not gambling, it is “sharing of risk”. The earlist forms of insurance began in China eons ago. The merchants would load all of the cargo being shipped down uncharted rivers on their contracted ship and occasionally shipwrecks would occur and all cargo would be lost. They came up with the idea of dividing their cargo onto several ships and if one was lost, the majority of their cargo still arrived safely .From that risk sharing came the other forms, of life, health, fire, etc. We need to educate the Administration, congress and the Muslims on the differences between risk sharing and gambling. It is the “not sharing” of risk that involves the gambling, i.e., it is a gamble to place all cargo on one ship. Also, gambling involves the “hope” of making a profit. Risk sharing involves a process to “limit loss”.

Randy131

@Don DeHoff I believe everything you said, but I was just reporting what is written into the Obamacare Law and why Obama has given all Muslims an excemption from having to participate in Obamacare, for which I believe nobody should be forced to buy anything he doesn’t want, whether it be through threat of a penalty or a tax, what is really the difference, for both was being used to threaten people to achieve the outcome that was wanted by Obama. Why is the government forcing people to buy something they don’t want, so others who do want it can buy it cheaper, this is not the American way, and using the excuse that some people don’t pay their medical bills, so everyone should have to be forced into buying something they don’t want is not fair to those who do pay their medical bills, but still do not want to purchase health insurance. But at least we have learned that Obama believes Islamic precepts should be obeyed, while Christian precepts don’t matter, which makes Muslims first class citizens and Christians second class citizens, as Obama’s lap dog Kathleen Sebelus is forcing Christians to do things against their religion.

ArthurAnderson

When the terorists pull their next stunt and martial law is implemented, obama wil be the one pointing out the ‘enemies’ and putting them in federal camps….but they will be christian white people, Oath Keepers, ex-military and other tea Party members…but there will be no zmuslims…………………….take it to the bank….!!!!!!

Batwings

Maybe if a bunch of these dirt bag muslims were neutralized, the word would get around. It seems that violence is the only thing they understand……BTW: That goes for that lying muslim POS in Washington DC.

SpenceDowns

There is evil in the world now and always has been. But if you say so, most people roll their eyes and write you off as a kook. They also have to write off the Bible and Jesus Christ Himself, since He clearly identifies evil as a powerful force in the world. As a matter of fact, He calls Satan the embodiment of evil and the “prince of this world”. As Christian influence in this nation is muffled and comes under ever more severe attack by the ACLU and other anti-God organizations, we see more horrendous outpourings of evil, such as that in New Town, Connecticut. God has simply removed His blessing and protection from America and we will see more of this kind of outrageous occurance. Some people in the media like thoe on FoxNews have called it what it is, but it is a term that rolls off the tongues of most with little understanding of what it truly is. It is the opposite of everything good! It cares nothing about life, family, righteousness, and is destructive beyond imagination.

MarshaLivingston

@SpenceDowns Those of us that BELIEVE and have FAITH must continue to hold to these with all of our strength. And, WE must be witnesses for CHRIST, and make no mistake, it will take our lives to do so. But, remember our earthly bodies they can kill and maime, but our spiritual bodies will reside with CHRIST the SON and GOD the FATHER. It is just learning to keep the faith in the face of the enemy.

SpenceDowns

@MarshaLivingston @SpenceDowns Amen, brother!

Talibankiller

Beside the 1994 NY Bombing of the wtc, and the 9/1/1 travesty, have we ever been thinking this much about muslims? I don’t recall. It hasn’t been since This President, America has been getting there hinees kicked by terrorism. Now, we have the muslims coming here to america doing damage internally, and this President will do nothing to stop it. Here, when an immagrant comes to America they are suppose to take the Oath of the United States, to take the oath of allegence to the United States means nothing to these mideastern pricks (sorry). I am having a difficult time with our President allowing these muslim to walk all over true devoted Americans. I afraid that if we are going to allow them to continue coming to America, and they continue to push their sharia BS around in the US, and they do not adapt to our way of life, then we will have to take them on face to face, and hurt them badly if the President does not do anything about what they are doing. The way I see it, just like every other immagrant that came to America, they adapted and fell right into place to the American way of life. Now it is up to us if they don’t fall into place and come under the law of THIS land.

GeraldJones

This Nation is going to hell in a hand basket, there will be more shooting and Violence and its because of this paranoid president. More like a wolve in sheeps clothing. He’s a communist, Islamist smooth talking brainwasher thats hell bent on destroying America. He needs to be toppled like all the dictators of past. WAKE UP America its very near being too late. How do you like the way he is defending our constitution. REVOLUTION NOW.

futurelife

@GeraldJones I couldn’t have said it better….. Did you see the fake weeping on TV last night. He was reading from a scrip of what to say and how to act and when to put on a show. LOL It was so funny to see this fake liar-n-chief try and look soooooo sad over what happen in this school shootings that it made me forget what happen. All this murder wouldn’t have even happen if our youth could see the Ten Commandments in our schools as every day they would read what it says. Heck, our laws come from it but we can’t teach it? SICK and then the Dems say it isn’t needed. What a bunch of brainless misfits in the Senate and Congress.

Rodney6917

@GeraldJones So right you are. We need another revolution. Not just to rid of Barry O but to get this govenment to work and live by our bill of rights and constitution.

dboyerdr

The religinon of peace is all about converting you to Islam or killing you if you refuse to convert.

v steve

You have to fight back don`t go to muslim doctors, don`t spend your money at muslim owned business for starters.

MarshaLivingston

@v steve We always ask, and we won’t let a muslim doctor touch us, and we won’t trade with the indian owned stores. We won’t even buy food from the grocery stores that muslims have handled. ANY meat products (beef, chicken, they won’t touch pork) that muslims have had a hand in killing and butchering WE WILL NOT BUY. Because they have to go through a ritual sacriface to their “god” the pagen god of the moon, Being a Christian family knowing that they do this ritual at butchering is a sin against GOD, as their god is a false god. Also, they wipe their butts with their bare hands, and it makes you wonder how many of them wash and sanitize afterwords. ICH!!! In fact, we can not believe the producers to tell the truth about these matters, so we grow our own live stock and it is grass fed and safe to eat. Also, everyone might want to check the canned goods you buy from the BIGGEST chain store in the US, most if not all of it comes from china, or other foreign countries that do not have safety regulations and use pestisides that our country has band because they are a health danger. We also, do not have to worry about that either, as we grow our own vegies and can them ourselves every year, it is much better food, and better for you as well.

Bob

The mistake you make is not being serious about Islam . It’s not a religion , it’s a theocracy that uses a religion to control it’s people, It should be band from the United States and any other government that is based on Judeo-Christian principals.

Bloodforever

Muslims go home we dont need you hear.

Bloodforever

Muslims go home we dont need you hear. in AMERICA

djw

But people vote for a muslim to be president. Why will they not continue to take over with the help from this administration?

MarshaLivingston

They are taking over with the help of the odumbo’s administration, can you not see how he is always on the side of his muslim brotherhood when ever there is anything to be done to help them and HURT AMERICA?????? And, the people that voted for odumbo were even voting for a presidetn, they were voting for a black man, so they could go around braging how AMERICA was NO LONGER A RACIST NATION, those that voted for him were so caught up in that that they were completely blinded from the truth. Then when he came up for the next term, they couldn’t accept the fact that they had made a mistake of a life time, so they voted the dumb azz in again. You have heard the ole saying “you can’t fix STUPID”. Well, this is the prime example of why that saying came into being.

al pambuena

have you noticed over the years, our christian heriatge and principals are constantly being challenged, christmas has been banned all over the place…but have you ever seen anybody challenge the muslims, and their heritage? we not only have no borders, we have no spines. our churches are often silent, while down the street somebody does not like white croisses desplayed at military gravesites, nothing religious anywhere near a school, like it is something evil. why are the rights of muslims, atheist, communist, marxist and socialist…..anymore important than an american who believes in freedom, and the constitution, and god???????

DrProTruth

@al pambuena Your observation is so true, al pambuena.

SimonRedwine

For starters — Islam is illegal in this Country. It preaches and intends “NO freedom of religion” Isn’t that enough and when will it be outlawed and enforced? Just because they call it a religion, doesn’t make it a religion. Muslims always refer to it as a culture when the dark side of islam stares us in the face. There is no RELIGION like it on the face of the Earth, NONE! So how is it a religion?

juswonderin

@SimonRedwine Obama’s administration has warned our military not to offend or insult a radical Islamist Muslim. I do know that there are a lot of them & they multiply in order to have the numbers of their people to infiltrate our gov’t. They come here to get educated on the American dime & then they turn on us like Bin Laden & many more like him. We are arming our enemies with our weapons & our military aircraft & any other equipment that they request, they get it & the U.S. is aiding & abetting them. What does that tell you??

MarshaLivingston

@juswonderin @SimonRedwine IT TELLS ME THAT odumbo IS NOT AN AMERICAN, BUT HE IS A muslim TERRORIST. WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHY HE NOW SITS IN OUR OVAL OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

1JBrice1

You are correct. It is not a religion, but a political agenda to rule the world by destroying countries from within. That’s why obama is in the White House. They have done their work better than they ever imagined. Our DC representatives and the media are so in love with the obamas that they can’t see what they are doing to this country.

NavyJR

@1JBrice1 @ Simon Redwine: Islam is a religious organization, every bit as much as Judaism is. However, it includes a comprehensive plan of life as Judaism actually does to, but doesn’t FOLLOW in other nations, while Islam does! The problem is that Islam is a TOOL of our REAL enemy, the ones really pulling the strings on ALL this, being used to eliminate the TWO foes to that enemy; a terrorist organization deliberately set on humanity in 1540, for the SOLE purpose of wiping out Judaism and the Protestant Reformation, which stood, at that time, as the only 2 real threats to its objective… Islam was brought into this late in the game. The US is in effect a “glitch” in their planning that would never have happened, had this terrorist organization not been forced underground right at the crucial time in history, from May of 1776, to sometime in `1814, to allow our Protestant-principled Declaration to be written and sent to King George, and then our Revolution to be fought and won, and our Constitution written and ratified, and our fledgling nation to begin to become established. Now the US also stands in the way. Most of the Christian churches in this nation have been systematically “gutted” of their morals and principles, over the years since the reinstatement of this terrorist organization, but the Constitution still is there and people who believe in and stand for it do as well. And WE must be eliminated. So must the Jews, which is WHY they’ve been systematically demonized to the world, for centuries. Islam was picked up after WWII as a tool to set the stage for WWIII, into which we are TODAY rapidly heading! Oh, the terrorist organization of which I speak is the Jesuits; check them out and their “black pope”!

MarshaLivingston

@SimonRedwine It IS NOT A RELIGION, but it is a political ideology of HATE AND DEATH TO ALL AMERICANS AND ANY OTHERS THAT DO NOT BOW TO THEIR MURDERING WAYS.

JaymesB

Use your common sense, ability to reason things out, and look at truthful history. Our nation was founded for the posterity of those who have the true Christian values in heart, mind, body, spirit and soul. Any compromise to that, is the mark of a traitor. Interestingly, traitors shift sides just like an ever-changing wind. Why would anyone put ant sort of trust in a person who sells out his / her own country? We are becoming surrounded by the enemies within our borders. Keep you wits about you, keep yourself educated and aware, and keep your powder dry….so the true American Spirit can still live on long after we are gone. Our posterity deserve nothing less.

franseaaz

America, the land of liberty, freedom and prosperity welcomes foreigners, but if you come here, adopt our country and live by its constitution and laws. Don’t try to change that which has made us such a great country, or you will find yourself living in a country which is like the one you left. In short, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. When in Rome, do as the Romans.

DrProTruth

@franseaaz Well stated, franseaaz.

MarshaLivingston

I for one would love to see ALL borders CLOSED, and accept NO MORE people in to become “citizens”, AND DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW. And, while I am at what I would like to see, NO MORE chinesse JUNK ALLOWED TO INTER INTO OUR COUNTRY. IF WE, NEED IT, WE THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE, OR LEARN TO DO WITHOUT IT, AS OUR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS DID IN THE 30’s and 40’s.

JimSchafer

JaymesB I totally agree with you . but I know our 2nd amendment rights are being threatened by some foolish propoganda. Yes, there have been murders, and multiple terrorist attacks, as well as bombs and home-made bombs, among a lot of other means of killings. I feel that the federal government will continue to use ssimilar incidents for public propoganda only targetting the right to bear arms(guns) to force us into seceding this right rather than also include a lot of other means of threats, such as; sling-shots(rocks can be shot and possibly kill someone), knives(stabbing), wood can be carved into stabbing utensils), the list can go on infinitely. So pointing to guns is really just another means of control that was seen in the forefathers’ minds when they presented the 2nd amentment. if we would only look at not only the foundation of our nation, but also the reasons for the need to escape the perrsecutions we had to have in order for this nation’s foundation.

DrProTruth

@JimSchafer Our hearts are breaking over the senseless massacre of 20 of our children whose lives were deliberately and malevolently interrupted by another troubled young adult. Our prayers go out to the families of these children and we pray for a sane approach to remedying these–all too often–tragedies happening across our country with escalating occurrence.

In his first press conference after today’s terrible tragedy, the imposter currently occupying the White House already politicized this senseless massacre when he alluded to forcing through gun control on the American people–with or without the approval of the House or the will of the people. Of course, we must read between his extremely parsed words with everything this fraud speaks to decipher and discern his real objectives behind his words.

Of course, any reasonable, sound-minded person realizes gun control is not the answer–in fact–had the teachers and other authority figures at the school been able to defend themselves and the children, this travesty could never have happened!

DrProTruth

@JimSchafer Following are the fraud’s exact words: “We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this regardless of the politics.” – President Barack Obama, addressing reporters on the Sandy Hook mass shooting today.

With his historical stance on guns being the problem–rather than reasonably assessing that the problem stems from the lawlessness that exists in our nation resulting from removing God and all that is Good from our laws, our academic institutions, our movies, our television programming, our public squares et al–this man’s intentions behind his above statement are crystal clear.

CatInATuxedo

@JimSchaferActually, Jim, we meed our guns more and more to protect ourselves from creeping sharia and an incompetent government who succumbs to muslim cash incentives. That is why our institutions of learning are so compliant to this advancing danger. Anyone who says they have wonderful muslim friends are part of the problem for they allow the muslim deception and the undermining of this Great Nation.

MarshaLivingston

The government is not only INCOMPETENT, it is the most CORRUPT government OUR COUNTRY has EVER HAD.

MarshaLivingston

@JimSchafer Ever stop to think about HOW MANY OF THESE MASS KILLINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE odumbo STOLE THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT IN 2008????? It seems just a little to contrived to me, like maybe someone in DC is helping these things come about so that odumbo can get OUR GUNS taken away from us. Just do a little checking and digging and see what you can find on this subject, and compare dates and times. You might find it very interesting, don’t forget that if eric holder can give the mexicans 2000+ assault weapons, and odumbo sees to it that Lybia is well armed, and Egypt is “GIVEN” many of OUR F16 fighter planes. Just how hard would it be to have these things happen to get what he wants….OUR GUNS, and us defenceless and CONTROLABLE??????

FrancesCampbell

our legislators are aiding and abetting the islamic dream and an american nightmare–universal caliphate–run by a sunni muslim—obama fills that description.. obama has no affinity for this country–he is not even a citizen if one would follow what we can learn from the records that are available because the majority of this man’s pedigree have been sealed at taxpayer expense.. he is a citizen of indonesia–which happened when he was adopted by his stepfather–listed as a muslim and a citizen of indonesia–he traveled as a teen to pakistan on a non usa passport..records sealed .. he never received a u.s. passport until he managed to be elected to the u.s. senate with the backing and assistance of the communist party u.s.a. obama never received a selective service card when he turned 18 because he is not a citizen–solution–forge a selective service document which is a felony if tampered with..as with his forged birth cerificate and selective service document–the choice of forgers was not a good choice due to the errors pointed out by sherrif joe. there are no records found to date of a legal name change back to obama from soetero and no court records of retreiving his discarded american citizenship if indeed he was ever a legal american citizen.. why has this man and his c.p.usa. been permitted to turn this criminal loose on the american popu;lace?

DrProTruth

@FrancesCampbell Well said.

Lady Liberty

@FrancesCampbell It’s way PAST the time that all the fraudulent actions of Obama be shown for what they are….over and over and over – until something is done about it. Of course, we have his big crony – Holder – who, amazingly to me, is still our Attorney General!!!! He should be sitting in jail! Wake up, once and for all, America – let’s start the ball rolling toward ridding our country of these traitorous conspirators!!!! We are being attacked daily by the communist/socialist agenda-pushers….let’s push BACK!!!!

MarshaLivingston

@FrancesCampbell Also, on that fake BC it listed his fathers birthplace as Africa. Well Africa is a continent NOT A COUNTRY. And, for his fathers race they said African-American, in 1961 those words togehter HAD NOT BEEN PHRASED yet. Then there is the “hospital” where odumbo was suppose to have been born, that “hospital” did not come into being until 1977, at which time two hospitals merged together to make one “hospital”. SO, HOW WAS odumbo BORN IN A “HOSPITAL” THAT DID NOT EVEN EXSIT AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH. What about the dozens of different SS cards that he had from the state of Conn. when he had NEVER lived in that state EVER?????? When I first got my SS card, I had to get it in the state in which I lived, as does EVERY other AMERICAN.

Annie66

Why haven’t we tossed all of these Muslims out of the United States? That should have happened on 09/12. We need some legislators that have the stones to put a stop to his nonsense and evict these people. This is not a Muslim nation.

1JBrice1

@Annie66 We can’t! They are in every government agency. Obama has done his work well! For a very good example, look at Hilary Clinton’s assistant. Total muslim. Put there to keep a lid on Hilary. Eric Holder, another example and all the judges who are permitting foreign laws into our courtrooms. They need to be exiled, but who would want them?

MarshaLivingston

@Annie66 When you find legislators that have those kind of stones, you let me know. All they care about is making sure they and theirs are taken care of . Just look at the odumbocare, they are ALL exempt from that lunacy, but not WE THE PEOPLE. AND, OUR CONSTITUTION STATES VERY CLEARLY THAT CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW THAT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO ALL AMERICANS. THEY REALLY OBEY AND RESPECT OUR CONSTITUTION DON’T THEY??????

@JesusRocks12345 Interesting that you think JesusRocks. He does indeed, as the only begotten Son of God and Savior of all mankind. Recant your false religious beliefs and come to the truth of Jesus Christ before it’s too late!

sandman4X4

@Bilbo Baggins1 @JesusRocks12345 I can see he has pulled your leg Bilbo!

Rodney6917

@JesusRocks12345 I’d rather double tap your lamb eating ass then read your desicration of our language. Instead of death to all infidels It should death to all Muslims.

MarshaLivingston

@JesusRocks12345 I am sure your feelings will get over it soon enough.

Bilbo Baggins1

There is nothing good or right with Islam. It is a false religious/political/judicial system spawned by Satan himself. We MUST purge this way of thinking from our courts.

futurelife

All anyone has to do is just look around and see what has changed in the last 20 years from before and now look what has gotten into office slowly and to BHO who is a muslim and has done more harm then ever to this country. If a ‘good’ muslim is really good, then they would be here in America to work and let alone our Constitution just like if we went to their country, to work and leave alone their life style which by what we see is murder of their youth, mostly young girls and women when a man decides he doesn’t want her anymore. It is sad that they are known liars in the first place so to trust what every they say would be a mistake on our part. That includes our liar n chief.

tsparky

well son i do no one thing im 50 and retried and have alot of money and its not in banks no taxs.so you keep on working for your daddy obama and dumbacrats you love so much.

stevekoko

not all Muslims are bad BUT THEN THERE IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAM ———-BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY!

Let me get this right, we have our service men and women over in islamic country’s, and they can not even wear the Holy Cross, our flag patch, have to dress according to their “sahria laws”, and sencibilities and even have to talk properly and not imbarass them over there, and are in some cases paying the ultimate price, never mind most comming home with “mental and physical” problems for the rest of their lives, some very greavious, and missing limbs, and have bled for these “people” . Then they can come over here, and DEMAND we change our way for THEM!!!, and the powers that be LET THEM!!!! this is not just crazy, it is madness, just like liberal thinking, this is what happens when the heart takes over from the mind! it is a mental disease, madness simly madness, and if we let them get away with this much longer………you come over here, we demand you live by our rules just as you do in your country.

stevekoko

Barack Hussein Obamass claims he’s not Muslims but he looks out for them, and NOT US AMERICANS?????? Listen not to what he says but to what he does…. He’s a traitor

skai

@stevekoko ” BHO claims he’s nott muslim but he looks out for them ..” Go To YouTube and type in ” obama admits he is a muslim ” and listen from horse’s mouth. ” and NOT US AMERICANS ???? ” Why would he want to help you any way. Muslims are his brothers. Now see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

NavyJR

@skai First, Obama IS a Muslim; every single action he’s taken shows that clearly; where religion is concerned. He was raised a Muslim and you don’t convert without a fatwa being put on your head. So work from there on that… BUT just because SOME Muslims are violent and hateful tools of yet another terrorist organization, that has been using them as part of the plan to start WWIII, and some of them are willing to go along and be used, doesn’t mean ALL are evil people. During WWII it was the Germans and Japanese; and the SAME feelings were encouraged and freely expressed about them; yet read the history of the 442nd Army; it will surprise you; and MANY Americans of German ancestry also fought against those. Hate for any group blanketly will only harm YOU in the long run.

sandman4X4

@NavyJR @skai That is an intersesting story the 442nd Army, and to tell you the truth, I would also come to believe not all muslims do not have it in them when they join in mass, and we have a unit just for them to combat the crazy muslims, but alas, that is not the case, and we will never see anything of the sort, and because of that, I wil not believe there is no evil in every muslim, it is there, just waithing for the right moment, because at heart they are all cowards!

NavyJR

@sandman4X4 Visit the site americanislamicforumfordemocracy.com please. Dr Zhudi Jasser is a Navy medical corps veteran, who’s now practicing in the Phoenix area, and who is an OUTSPOKEN advocate FOR our Constitution over Sharia. He and others who are get drowned out by our CAIR driven media; because THAT’S the agenda and the entire MB is a front for the people pulling all the strings, who are NOT Muslims either! After you check it out, if you’d like more, let me know; and I’ll tell you how to contact me.

MarshaLivingston

@NavyJR @skai You mean like the ones that were working with our forces in Afgan???? You know the ones that were “friends” with the two soldiers they turned on and MURDERED last week????? ANYONE that thinks that there “good” muslims is delusional. They are ALL raised under sharia law and the quran, and they are ALL taught to HATE infidels (that is ANYONE who does not believe as they do). The ones that act goody goody, are just biding their time and waiting and digging in to help their muslim brotherhood to over run those AMERICANS that are STUPID enough to believe they don’t HATE us and don’t want to MURDER us. Watch your back, because a muslim is a muslim and they not only can’t, but do not want to change.

1catfish

@stevekoko You better listen to what he has been saying for 5 years. He is a muslim, he is a racist, and his intent is to destroy the USA.

BobLanese

THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BETTER WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TO LATE,, 50% PLUS ONE VOTED FOR A MUSLIM IDIOT TO SIT IN OUR WHITE HOUSE.. NOBOOMER’S FATHER WAS A MUSLIM AND SO WAS HIS STEP FATHER. HIS MOTHER MUST HAVE BEEN AN IDIOT BUT THAT’S ANOTHER STORY. WE NEED AN AMERICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, NOT A TRAITOR….. POLITICALLY INCORRECT BOB

@BobLanese It is too late, and most here are still missing the real puppet masters in ALL of this; the ones pulling Obama’s strings; the MB strings, and all the rest of them; because it is ONE terrorist organization, answerable to ONE person, MAYBE 2, both NOT in the US or among the Muslim nations either!

DrProTruth

Well, here is what we’ve been expecting ever since the fraud’s plea for “meaningful action” on the heels of yesterday’s tragic massacre of 28 innocent Americans–including 20 children–committed by a madman! The Article reads:

Once Again, the Guns Did It and it’s the Conservatives’ Fault 15 December 2012 / 28 Comments

Once again, the guns did it, and it’s somehow conservatives’ fault. Friday’s murders in Newtown, Connecticut, of 20 children and six adults are a sad tragedy, yet it seemed as if the bodies were not even cold before the Left jumped in, eager to make use of this latest “opportunity” to spread their anti-gun dogma. President Obama got the ball rolling with a tearful call for “meaningful action.” That was all that was needed for the minions to crawl out of their dungeons and go to work. New York City’s nanny Mayor Michael Bloomberg called for a national gun policy: “President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem. Calling for ‘meaningful action’ is not enough. We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before. What we have not seen is leadership – not from the White House and not from Congress. That must end today. This is a national tragedy and it demands a national response.” Boston Mayor Thomas Menino also weighed in, echoing Bloomberg: “As a Mayor who has witnessed too many lives forever altered by gun violence, it is my responsibility to fight for action. Today’s tragedy reminds us that now is the time for action. Innocent children will now never attend a prom, never play in a big game, never step foot on a college campus. Now is the time for a national policy on guns that takes the loopholes out of the laws, the automatic weapons out of our neighborhoods and the tragedies like today out of our future.” Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/once-again-the-guns-did-it-and-its-the-conservatives-fault/#ixzz2F9CK3MU2

DrProTruth

Well, here is what we’ve been expecting ever since the fraud’s plea for “meaningful action” on the heels of yesterday’s tragic massacre of 28 innocent Americans–including 20 children–committed by a madman, not a gun!!!! The Article reads:

Once Again, the Guns Did It and it’s the Conservatives’ Fault 15 December 2012 / 28 Comments

Once again, the guns did it, and it’s somehow conservatives’ fault. Friday’s murders in Newtown, Connecticut, of 20 children and six adults are a sad tragedy, yet it seemed as if the bodies were not even cold before the Left jumped in, eager to make use of this latest “opportunity” to spread their anti-gun dogma. President Obama got the ball rolling with a tearful call for “meaningful action.” That was all that was needed for the minions to crawl out of their dungeons and go to work. New York City’s nanny Mayor Michael Bloomberg called for a national gun policy: “President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem. Calling for ‘meaningful action’ is not enough. We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before. What we have not seen is leadership – not from the White House and not from Congress. That must end today. This is a national tragedy and it demands a national response.” Boston Mayor Thomas Menino also weighed in, echoing Bloomberg: “As a Mayor who has witnessed too many lives forever altered by gun violence, it is my responsibility to fight for action. Today’s tragedy reminds us that now is the time for action. Innocent children will now never attend a prom, never play in a big game, never step foot on a college campus. Now is the time for a national policy on guns that takes the loopholes out of the laws, the automatic weapons out of our neighborhoods and the tragedies like today out of our future.” Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/once-again-the-guns-did-it-and-its-the-conservatives-fault/#ixzz2F9CK3MU2

merriel46

@DrProTruth Guns don’t kill: people do. Banning guns will just guarantee that criminals will be the only ones with guns.

1JBrice1

You are so correct! I hate the fact that people kill, but the guns are not the problem the people are.

DrProTruth

@merriel46 Oh, Merriel46~ I hope you don’t think I am in favor of gun control–nothing could be further from the truth. My husband and I are both NRA members and belong to a local firing range. The above article is about how left wing liberals are already beating their gun control drums but also are blaming this horrible tragedy on conservatives.

Obama immediately politicized the deaths of 20 of our children along with 8 adults in his first address of the incident with his “meaningful action” statement. Of course, we all know “meaningful action” is his code for gun control.

Then, following close behind Obama, we have his little puppet, Mayor Bloomberg spouting the same rhetoric, and what else could we expect out of Boston than the same talking points. Their goal is to disarm America at any cost, and will politicize or demonize anything or anyone to achieve their malevolent goal.

Of course, we must all know that if they ever do achieve their goal, we will be in the same position as Germany just prior to the maniacal Hitler Regime. Wake up, America, before it’s too late!

TheCat63

@DrProTruth When I was in school in a small Italian neighborhood in NJ, we sang Christmas carols, heard the stories of Adam & Eve, Noah, and Jesus. There was a set of morals we all lived by and they were comforting to each of us. We sang patriotic songs at the assemblies and I found that comforting. Unfortunately in today’s schools, God has been removed, Christmas vacation is now winter recess, and any mention of Jesus is bad because it may offend someone ( I haven’t met that person yet..). Well, ‘they’ offend me. I say Merry Christmas to all, and you know what, most people say “Merry Christmas” back as though, it’s Ok to say. I pray for all the families of the Newtown tragedy and wish the world would spin backwards and it never happened. But, if you listen to the reports and watch the TV, the Churches are filled to capacity, the families are grieving and they find comfort by clinging onto their faith in God. Maybe, just maybe if we went back to our moral roots and let God into the schools again, some of these young people would find another way to release their anger. They could talk to a parent, pastor, minister, Rabbi, or whoever would give them sound guidance. My heart goes to every family that has lost a loved one and will continue in prayer for them.

MarshaLivingston

@DrProTruth Gun control……If you take away the word gun, what do you have left???? Just the word “CONTROL”, and that is what odumbo has been after from the very beginning. IF, he is allowed to take AMERICANS guns away from us WE THE PEOPLE will be at the mercy of an EVIL government run by those that HATE AMERICANS.

NavyJR

@MarshaLivingston @DrProTruth Gun control, as the libs so euphemistically label it , IS coming, and there’s little we can do to stop it; any more than the rest of the agenda; they were successful at keeping it and themselves hidden too long; and there will be a fight over the efforts to remove guns; but the real fight coming is WWIII; and it’s on the foreseeable horizon, very near.

Rodney6917

@DrProTruth There should be a National Gun Policy. Every person with out a criminal record or have deep seated mental disabilties should be trained by our Armed Forces in the proper use of a firearm and rifle. Then given a pistol and rifle. We have all kinds of M-1’s M-14’s 38’s & 45’s laying aroung gathering dust in a warehouse.

Rabiddogg

@Rodney6917 @DrProTruth there already is a national gun policy. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”

JLP5871

KILLING COMMUNIST AND MUSLUMS BRING GREAT HONOR

Lady Liberty

How DARE these heathens – Obama, Merino & Bloomberg – use this unbelievably tragic action by a crazed individual to push their ‘agenda’???? Instead of USING the deaths of 28 people – including all those poor innocent children – to let those evil words, which they carry in their minds, come pouring out of their filthy, lying mouths, to make a point. They should be shown PRAYING for the healing of all those affected in Newtown…AND for forgiveness for THEIR own hypocritical and unfeeling actions!

bgh222

Muslims are terrorizing the Constitution in several ways. Most important is your right of speech and their wish to integrate Sharia Law into our Constitutional law.

bgh222

are you suggesting you want to overthrow the current administration??. Perhaps Muslims like to overthrow the government but in the USA we change the regime at the ballot box. Our problem with that is that we have not done a good job of protecting the ballot box. We must revise our voting laws in every state to insure a just vote, free of fraud, vote buying and intimidation.

MarshaLivingston

@bgh222 Sounds good in theory, but with odumbo in office for a second term, I doubt there will be anymore elections in OUR COUNTRY without an all out war on islam muslim brotherhood that now live the good life in OUR COUNTRY.

NavyJR

@MarshaLivingston Makes no difference whether there is an election again or not; ONLY those approved by the CFR have appeared on our ballots for DECADES, so which ever candidate “wins”, America and her people lose and the goal is advanced according to the plan! O is only a puppet, and the CFR is but one of MANY “fronts” for the real puppeteers!

The Watson

Their is no such thing as an American Muslim. A Muslim must obey the laws of the Quran/Koran which states that no country or state comes before Islam & Sharia law. But there Muslims living in American working to change (destroy) American.

RobertUSA

In Islamic countrues, no Christian person is safe to practice their religion. They are persecuted and often killed. It’s time to bring an internal war to Islam in America….just like the muslums do to the christians in their countries.

Rodney6917

@RobertUSA O Rah Bro!

1catfish

Muslims are evil, They inflitrated the ignorant of our country and have been spreading evil ever since. All those ignorant people are own the dole through welfare and food stamps and that is what will be the downfall of america.

NavyJR

@1catfish That’s NOT where the infiltration is most dangerous! CAIR has infiltrated our WH, Congress, and MOST of our law enforcement agencies across the nation, including at HIGH levels; and THAT’S where they’re MOST dangerous, That and our courts!

Rodney6917

@1catfish Not all of that is true. In Chicago they own little grocery stores, where the big chains won’t put up stores because they will need an Army of Security Guards to keep the gangbangers in check and They take food stamps and will do a 50/50 split on food stamps for cash. They make out like fat rats. They drive taxi cabs they run or own conveinience stores some are renowed MD’s and Surgeons.

WASP

Time to cull the herd. Time for the Tenth Crusade. This time not to force Christianity on the rest of the world, but to rid ourselves of these raghead pigs and allow people to practice there chosen religion(or none at all), and have individual freedom that these swine don’t allow.

gypsy314

This what most republicans have been saying but will not act on. America is being attack from within from Obama and democrats and a few rhinos in our ranks. We can over come but not with out letting democrats fall on the face and chaos and civil war being a means to clean America up from the liberal socialist and muslims taking our freedoms and everything dear to Americans our children way of life.

RUKIDDING

The more we lose our fundamental Christian values, the deeper evil will set root. Political correctness and social justice are “Cancers” in our society and left-wing liberals are like the “Virus” causing it. And, as long as the majority of citizens are indifferent to what is happening America’s “Immune System” is not functioning.

Bob Koomans

WOW! – and I thought that it was only a matter of time before Islam attacked America openly…. Because Americans have refused to obey God’s Commandments (Prophecy in Revelations, and many scriptures back up the NEED to obey the Law the way Jesus showed us, and as He re-iterated with warnings: (Matthew 5-17 onwards.)… The 2nd. Law points out that “Curses” (of your own making, and the consequences thereof) will fall on all who refuse the Law of God and rebel against it, or insult them, and God, or dishonour and displease Him while calling themselves by His Names. The answer lies in THE LAW that – IF you break THAT 1, you thereby break ALL the Laws! – Come Out Of Babylon on Facebook has also been warning us of this, and calling on all believers who want to be TRUE to God, to “Come OUT of our baylon – or confusion with the teachings God gave us, and QUIT the “Mark of the Beast” that resulted in 231AD, by the Sun-Worshippers replacing the 4th Commandment with the 1st day of the week. If you believe this, double check it anyhow, (Gen-2 is the first mention for all mankind, as no tribes were yet on earth). If you disbelieve this, check it out if you think you actually follow God or someone else (a far lesser god). In any case, the curses will come UNLESS the WHOLE of America REPENTS and returns BACK to what God Commanded. THIS is why ISLAM has got a grip, BECAUSE so-called “Christian” churches follow another god…. and not Jesus’ WORD, LIFE and WAY. Those who stay behind and allow the overthrow in USA to grow, will have to suffer under ISLAM, or get OUT of USA to a SAFE HAVEN like Australia – before they can no longer AFFORD TO with a sharply falling USD$! (Get out, – like many German Jews got out of Hitler’s power before the shytte hit the fan).

Julie near Chicago

The first Muslim to be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives is Keith Ellison of Minnesota–not somebody from Michigan.

DrProTruth

And, he was sworn into Office by swearing on the Qur’an, and not the Bible. By the way, has anyone wondered how it was that Obama misstated his vows to uphold the Constitution during his swearing into Office at his Inauguration? Could it be that behind closed doors, he used the Qur’an to be sworn in? We’ll never know…

DrProTruth

You are so right, Julie. And, Ellison was sworn into Office by swearing on the Qur’an, and not the Bible.

By the way, has anyone wondered how it was that Obama misstated his vows to uphold the Constitution of the United States during his swearing into Office at his Inauguration, and had to be sworn in again, in a private setting? Could it be that behind closed doors, he used the Qur’an rather than the Bible to be sworn in in private? We’ll never know…

Rodney6917

What difference is the state. He is still a rag head and deserves to be beheaded.

Dart6t

Our country was founded on we the people, since this guy who’s supposed to be our president got into office is now we the government, and is trying to put his Muslim people into high positions in our government like one other comment mentioned we need to do the Muslims like they’re doing to the Christians around the world and we need to get rid of this president because all he’s doing is ruining our country.Muslims are nothing but an evil cult, not a religion to do the things they do to their women and children isdespicable.And for people who check for spelling. I hope I spelled everything correctly. Thank you.

MarshaLivingston

Actually islam is a political ideology that teaches HATE AND DEATH to ALL that will not kneel to the islamic sharhia law, or die. There is NOTHING religious about islam, their god was picked by mohamed from the pagen belief, and it was their moon god. muslims are the sickest group of people living on earth today, both in body and mind, they are unclean with their bodies and their minds are cespools.

NavyJR

@MarshaLivingston Allah is actually the same moon god that Abram fled Ur to avoid worshiping, but there’s a very recent report that was put out by father and son historian team Drs Walid and Ted Shoebat, that traces him further back to a time when he was known as “Alla” {no typo} and was a god of violence and war. This is just maybe a couple or 3 weeks old, and I don’t believe the release has reached far at all! However, it is a religion, albeit based on evil. If you look closely at Judaism and how it’s constructed, there are many similarities, except in the GOALS and purpose. In fact, Muhammad USED the Bible as a basis for much of his format and writing, and corrupted it in the doing.

DrProTruth

@Dart6t Mike Huckabee My Fox show monologue: I’ve said some controversial things from time to time, but none which prompted such a backlash as when I stated that the horrific shooting in CT of school children and teachers couldn’t be blamed on God because we’ve systematically marginalized God out of our culture by removing Him from all aspects of the public square. The vicious attacks that have resulted, most of all of which are based on total ignorance of what I actually said have actually validated my point, but I’m quite certain that was not the intent of both the professional and amateur critics who have demanded everything from my being banned from ever speaking in public again, or wished me a slow and painful death. On that alone, I wish to acknowledge that the left has again shown that it defines tolerance and diversity as being tolerant only of that with which it agrees, and diverse only to include slight shades of the orthodoxy of liberalism to which they adhere. They abhor censorship of their own profanity, obscenities, or graphic violence, but are the first to demand that a voice that invokes the name of God to be silenced. A specific act of violence is rarely the result of a specific single act of a culture that prompts it. In other words, I would never say that simply taking prayer and Bible reading from our institutions or silencing Christmas carols is the direct cause of a mass murder. That would be ludicrous and simplistic. But the cause and effect we see in the dramatic changes of what our children are capable of is a part of a cultural shift from a God-centered culture to a self-centered culture. We have glorified uninhibited self-expression and individualism and are shocked that we have a generation of loners. We have insisted on a society where everyone gets a trophy and no one loses and act surprised that so many kids lack self-esteem and feel like losers. We dismiss the notion of natural law and the notion that there are moral absolutes and seemed amazed when some kids make it their own morality to kill innocent children. We diminish and even hold in contempt the natural family of a father and mother creating and then responsibly raising the next generation and then express dismay that kids feel no real connection to their families or even the concept of a family. We scoff at the need for mothers and fathers to make it their priority to train their children to be strong in spirit and soul and responsible for right and wrong and exalt instead the virtue of having things and providing expensive toys, games, and electronics that substitute for parenting and then don’t understand why our kids would rather have ear buds dangling from their ears, fingers attaching to a smart phone, and face attached to a computer screen than to have an extended conversation with their family at dinner. And we don’t teach them there is a Creator God who sets immutable rules, a God who is knowable, and to whom we are ultimately responsible. Instead we teach that God was not involved in our origins, that our very lives are biological happenstances and in fact are disposable should they be inconvenient to us, and that any outrageous behaviors are not sin, but disorders for which we should be excused and accommodated. I realize my viewpoint sounds out-dated and archaic, but when that world view was the foundation of our nation’s social contract, we got in trouble at school for talking in class, chewing gum, pulling a girl’s pigtails, or slouching in our school desks. We took guns to school, to be sure, but they were in the gun racks of our trucks and we used them to hunt before and after school. It never occurred to us to use them to murder our teachers and fellow students. So yes, I can stand the contempt and criticism of the left. I’ll gladly accept their scorn as they substitute creative language with a steady stream of profanity-laced tirades that I’m an idiot, a throwback to the past, and a person who should be forever silenced. But when we as a nation feared God, we didn’t fear that a 20 year old with a high powered rifle would gun down our children in their schoolrooms. Please SHARE this post on Facebook to help me spread this message. Thank you!

DrProTruth

@Dart6t WHILE, IT IS TRUE THAT U.S. LAW STILL GUARANTEES STUDENTS THE RIGHT TO PRAY IN SCHOOLS, THERE CONTINUES MISCONCEPTIONS AND PERVERSIONS OF THIS LAW BY TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS ACROSS THE NATION THAT RELEGATE STUDENTS AND THEIR PARENTS ARE TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND COUNTLESS HOURS TO PROVE THEIR RIGHT TO PRAY IN SCHOOL, BRING THEIR BIBLES TO SCHOOL, WEAR T-SHIRTS DISPLAYING THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST, WRITE ESSAYS ABOUT THEIR FAITH, AND ACKNOWLEDGE GOD AT ASSEMBLIES AND GRADUATION CEREMONIES ET AL.

AT A RECENT GRADUATION, STUDENTS HAD TO ORCHESTRATE A SNEEZE TO INITIATE A CORPORATE “GOD BLESS YOU” DURING THE CEREMONY. THERE ARE COUNTLESS INCIDENTS SUCH AS THIS ONE WHERE STUDENTS HAVE TO FIGHT TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT BY LAW TO OVERTLY DEMONSTRATE THEIR FAITH IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

dboyerdr

There will be Another CRUSADE, it is just a matter of time!!! Islam is all about converting to it or be killed. appeasing nthe Muslims is NOT the answer. Every European country that has accepted Muslims as immigrants now regret doing it.

NavyJR

@dboyerdr What’s on the near horizon now is WWIII; and it will be fairly soon, I believe. Another crusade is kind of moot, really, since the MB is a “front” for the real puppet masters, and those were sent out by the same bunch as sent out the Crusaders.

Rodney6917

@dboyerdr When? Can’t be soon enough for me.

BobLanese

MUSLIMS IN AMERICA CAN ONLY GO AS FAR AS THE STUPID LIBERALS LET THEM. ONCE WE HAVE A REAL AMERICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE THINGS WILL CHANGE.

Rodney6917

@BobLanese When is that going to be. Another 4 years of this sociast there won’t be much of a country left. We will have to learn how to speak Chinese. We owe them too much money and we won’t be able pay to them. We don’t need higher taxes we need to cut the size of government 25% Cut most of the entitlements and get back on our feet finanically.

NavyJR

@DrProTruth; Just keep in mind that the MB is but ONE of MANY “fronts” being used in its agenda by those who are actually pulling ALL the strings! But you are correct; Obama was sworn in a second time using a Quran; and there’s another one in the House as well as Ellison, now too. They’re PUPPETS, and the REAL puppet masters are so well hidden most wont see them unless and until they actually achieve their goal. The majority won’t even believe who they are if TOLD, yet for those who WANT to see it, the evidence IS there.

NavyJR

@BobLanese: Do you know who the LAST “real” American in the WH was? Think way back, because it’s been a LONG time. As the things are now, that CANNOT ever happen again. The CFR controls who gets on the ballots and ONLY their members and/or STRONG sympathizers will EVER be presented for “election”! THEY win, Americans LOSE, no matter who seems to “win” the election!

Rodney6917

I am sick and tired of all this Islam crap. I don’t have a problem with someone who is Islamic, most work hard, take care their families and want to live in peace safety and tranquility. One of their first tenants in their religion is death to all infidels. If you are not a follower of the Prophet Mohammed then you are an Infidel and you should die. That is a Religion or faith of Peace. I am Knights Templar and we got our butts kicked by Saladin in the desert in the Holy Wars. No one has had piece with these lamb eating SOB’S since. They pick on the Israeli’s They crash planes into our World Trade Center and killed around 3,000 of us. W sends the Special Ops Forces to Afghanistan in 2001 and we have been there since. We had some B.S. War with Iraq and Obama made us leave without kicking their collective butts to hell and back. Obama won’t let the Generals fight the war in Afghanistan. Just like in Viet Nam. This time we got attacked. IHO we should bomb Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. They wanted to run the known world during the Holy Wars they want to run the world now. They need a good old fashioned Butt Whipping. That’s normally how to stop a bully and they are bullies. I for one do not want to live under Shria Law. It’s about time we pull the liberal news media out of Afghanistan and let our Generals do what they know how to do best. Overrun countries and beat them to a pulp. We knock out Afghanistan and the poppy fields a lot of Heroine will not be available. We overrun Iraq Iran Pakistan we have cheap oil again. We won’t have to slant drill the Bakken and rip out shale and ruin our landscape. Why do we have to go to war and let our Military suffer death and injuries when we can shoot Cruise Missiles, Non Nuclear ICMB and put our bombers to work and wipe these trouble makers out We might have peace for 25 years I am sick and tired of all this Islam crap. I don’t have a problem with someone who is Islamic, work hard, take care their families and want to live in peace safety and tranquility. One of their first tenants in their religion is death to all infidels. If you are not a follower of the Prophet Mohammed then you are an Infidel and you should die. That is a Religion or Faith of Peace.

I am a modern Knights Templar and we got our butts kicked by Saladin in the desert in the Holy Wars. No one has piece with these lamb eating SOB’S since. They pick on the Israeli’s They crash planes into our World Trade Center and killed around 3,000 of us. W sends the Special Ops Forces to Afghanistan in 2001 and we have been there since. We had some little B.S. War with Iraq and Obama made us leave without kicking their collective butts to hell and back. Obama won’t let the Generals fight the war in Afghanistan. Just like in Viet Nam Johnson and Nixon wouldn’t let us win. . This time we got attacked. IHO we should bomb Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. They wanted to run the known world during the Holy Wars they want to run the world now. They need a good old fashioned Butt Whipping. That’s normally how to stop a bully and they are bullies.

I for one do not want to live under Shria Law. It’s about time we pull the liberal news media out of Afghanistan and let our Generals do what they know how to do best. Overrun countries and beat them to a pulp. We knock out Afghanistan and the poppy fields a lot of Heroine will not be available. We overrun Iraq Iran Pakistan we have cheap oil again. We won’t have to slant drill the Bakken and rip out shale and ruin our landscape. Why do we have to go to war and let our Military suffer death and injuries when we can shoot Cruise Missiles, Non Nuclear ICBM’s and put our bombers to work and wipe these trouble makers out We might have peace for 25 years

dboyerdr

Muhamad, the creator of ISLAM was an illiterate epileptic who “conferred with ALLAH during the auras that follow an epileptic siezure. Then he dictated what Allah had told him to someone who could read and write., The peaceful verses of the Quran were dictated first. Then the violent verses were dictated. Muhammad then said what was written last supercedes what was written first. ISLAM is an ideology that controls the life of its followers. It tells them when and how to pray, how to treat their wives and children. Sharia Law is brutal!!!!!

Don DeHoff

@dboyerdrSir, I have been studying the Muslim culture and Islam on a very intense basis for the last 4-5 years. While there is much indirect evidence that he had some medical (mental?) issues, I have not been able to locate such information as you have stated. I would appreciate it if you would cite your authority(ies) for your findings. I will be glad to to likewise. Thanks. See my other lengthy post concerning Islam, that I post but a few moments ago. Thanks.

BobLanese

@Don DeHoff @dboyerdr IF YOU READ SARA 9 IT WILL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO YOU UNLESS THEY TOOK THAT PART OUT. THE KORAN TEACHES THERE SUBJECTS TO MURDER NON BELIEVERS.. THAT’S WHY THERE GOING TO BURN IN HELL

ReaperHD

The #1 muslim threat to this nation is already in the WH, the lying to defeat the enemies of Islam is accepted and encouraged.

raccoonden

@ReaperHD You got it ! Watch “The Project” it is creepy as He-ll

NavyJR

@Marshall Livingston: No I don’t mean those Muslims; and the truth is the Muslims in general are being USED, by the terrorists who are tearing our nation and Israel apart! There are some who are actually, truthfully ON our side; opposing Sharia and supporting our Constitution. Anytime you judge the whole of a people by the acts of some or even a majority of its members, you’re making a mistake that will hurt YOU more than those you so judge.

RightStuff44

@NavyJR Head out of sand, please. If they are Muslims, they believe in subjugating or killing all non-Muslims. Period.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 My head IS out of the sand; I know what Muslims do and I know who “invented” the MB; and WHY they did so. I know that “Frankestein’s monster” has gotten a bit out of their control for a time, too, but they’ll get it back under control, they believe, after they take out the US and Jews USING that monster, and get control of all the “hardware” with which to do so! Did YOU know THAT? Or who is in the role of “Frankenstein” in this scenario?

RightStuff44

@NavyJR please enlighten me.

Rabiddogg

@NavyJR @RightStuff44 Islam was invented out of revenge by Mohammed after the Jews of Yathrib rejected him as prophet and disproved his claim of being from Abraham (not to mention their refusal to help him sack Mecca). It was further inflamed when the Roman Christians rejected his prophecy and refused to help him sack Yahtrib. The United States wasn’t even a country then.

RightStuff44

@Rabiddogg @NavyJR Correct! The whole thing is a fraud cooked up by an evil, hateful person. Trouble is, approximately one-fourth of the humanity on this planet have fallen for it.

NavyJR

@Rabiddogg @RightStuff44 And he’d be just THRILLED out of his socks to know that a faction of that SAME Roman church is NOW using his followers as the TOOL to accomplish their goals!

Rabiddogg

@NavyJR @RightStuff44 um, those aren’t Christians, those are Progressives. Two different religions.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 Know anything about the “black pope” or the Jesuits? They’re well hidden behind there fronts, most manufactured for the purpose . The MB is but ONE of those! And they’ve been working this since 1540 with a brief hiatus between May of 1776 and sometime in 1814, during which time something happened that threw their timeline WAY off!

Rabiddogg

@NavyJR @RightStuff44 Jesuits are not hidden, they are the largest order of priests and bishops in Catholicism.

Black Pope is something out of Nostradamus but does not refer the the clergy but rather a supreme leader or king of kings. What Nostradamus saw as Pope is more than likely the US President in this sense as leader of the resurrected Rome.

Islam and Christianity are polar opposites in every sense.

BTW this is my last comment to you unless you take your meds.

Don DeHoff

@Rabiddogg @NavyJR @RightStuff44 “Rabi….”, a little rough around the edges, but well on point.

NavyJR

@ Rabiddog: Why were the Jesuits ordained? The “black pope” is their leader in Rome. They have but ONE goal! There’s a hint in Revelation 13. And for the record the Roman church isn’t Christian; it just claims that, kind of like Obama!

NavyJR

@Don DeHoff Maybe HIS point, but not THE point!

icetrout

@NavyJR Jr what the hell have you been smokin??????

NavyJR

@icetrout Not a THING; nor have I had anything stronger to drink than coffee some hours ago; and I’ve not taken any pharmaceuticals stronger than acetaminophen: in other words, I’m quite SOBER! I’m also very aware most people WON’T see the truth when it smacks them in the face, for a variety of reasons. Next question?

icetrout

@NavyJR Well than I’ll just have to write your statement that the Catholic Church is not Christian as that of a illiterate … Now go troll with the Millionaires son & Hoff …

NavyJR

@icetrout The Catholic Church is NOT the Roman church. Catholic means “universal” and applies to the eastern Orthodox Church. The Roman church is pagan polytheism despite claims to the contrary;and is about as “Christian” as Obama is! I’m sorry if that offends you; but perhaps if you read what Revelation has to say about it, it will make more sense to you. There are MANY cults of various sorts that claim to be Christians, and they’re NOT. Now I just offended millions of innocent dupes who have been raised in and fed that doctrine for some millenia, and that’s sad, but I’m not retracting what I said.

RightStuff44

@NavyJR @icetrout You are a regular Dale Carnegie. “How to Win Friends and Influence People”.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 Who was TRYING to win friends or influence people, in that context? Not I, I don’t DO PC; it’s nothing but speech control!

Uncle Johnson

@Rabiddogg @NavyJR @RightStuff44 Wow! Not really, but I’m listening.

NavyJR

@Uncle Johnson To what are you listening?

raccoonden

@NavyJR @icetrout I am Catholic and know my history. The Roman Catholic church is neither pagan nor polytheistic. Not only did the western half of Catholic survive the Fall of Rome, thanks to Visigoths and other circumstances, but it has been around long before the Easter Orthodox church.

NavyJR

@raccoonden Do you recite a prayer called the “Hail Mary”? I’d be EXTREMELY surprised if you don’t. Do you pray to ANYONE but a RISEN Jesus or His Father or the Holy Spirit? I’ve never met a Roman church member who DIDN’T pray to one or more others than those 3., so that would be a first if you are one. Do you celebrate a holiday now with a tree and other trimmings? That would be a combination of Saturnalia and the Celtic Samhain, NOT Christianity, and since Jesus’ birth was closer to 20 April 6-7 BC, doesn’t fit for His birthday either. What “church” was it that existed the first 3 centuries AD?? It was just THE church; until the Orthodox church split in the 3rd century, from the Roman Church; so they’re both about the same age, give or take a few years, and VERY few at that.The churches in Antioch, Ephesus, and several of the other locations predated the one in Rome, and they’re part of the Orthodox church today. There are many other things I could cite but I believe I’ve made my point sufficiently, here and in other posts in this thread. I am sorry it offends you, because I doubt you ever suspected anything was amiss. And many others as well. But to pretend something is other than it is is to lie about it; and that’s as wrong as to deliberately pursue the wrong. Some of this I only recently learned; some I’d suspected for better than 6 decades, and some I’d learned somewhere in between the 2 points in my life. I’ve studied and learned about various religions nearly all my life. Not just Christianity in it’s many “denominations” but most of the major ones and some of the minor ones as well.

Don DeHoff

@NavyJR @Marshall”Navy”—twice in one morning, I must disagree with you. You are either ignorant of the issues or you have an Islamic “bent”. Most all Muslims have been taught their culture, creed, and pseudo religion from a very early age, which continues, as adults, on a daily basis to the tune of 5-times a day. I read an article quite some time ago (can’t locate it in my files), that a survey was made of Muslims in the US, of all ages, concerning “Jihad”. Over 80% of those who responded clearly stated they would respond to the Islamic call for a U.S. Jihad. Remember, the penalty for any deviation from any aspects of Islam, is punishable by death. Also, how do you accomodate the Muslim revelations concerning “Taqiyya”?

benito44

NavyJR — re your not to Marshall Livingston — I invite you to read the Qur’an and the ACLJ booklet on Shari’ah Law. If someone calls him or her self a muslim, they automatically become “radical” in my mind based on the tenets of their IDEOLOGY. The fact that they may live “peacefully” next to you and appear friendly and nice does not outweigh the FACT that their ideology encourages that kind of behavior — lies and deceit (see “taqiyya”) until time to convert, subjugate or kill the infidel (ALL non-muslims). So, with all due respect, since muslims are allowed/encouraged to lie and deceive — how do you determine which of the ones “befriending” you are telling the truth? Which ones do not believe in Shari’ah Law and the savage tenets in that law blessed by the Qur’an?? I am not advocating killing any of them — just getting them out of this country and back to an islamic state where they can practice their ideology without endangering my friends, family, fellow americans or me. If they have a passion for killing each other and their own families as dictated under islamic law ( “honor killings”), let them do that away from our shores. Then, when their jihad calls for them to attack us — we can deal with it over there and not among innocent women and children here. Have you seen reference to “CAIR” in the US? Have you LISTENED to them? Have you READ any of their propaganda? Have you seen the Muslim Brotherhood up close?? (just check out Valerie Jarrett’s background — she was not “vetted”, of course, just as the person she manipulates, barack obama was not vetted). I think you have a rude awakening coming.

Don DeHoff

@benito44 “benito44″, I agree with most of your post, except that about “reading the Qur’an”. That Holy Book, for the lay public, is completly undeceipherable, even by many of the more learned Muslims. It is completly lacking in chronology, and is full of undated “abrogations” that appear to be placed at random throughout the document. To further add to the confusion, none of the abrogated material is allowed to be removed (edited out) of their “unchangable” Holy Book. The Muslims have published reams upon reams of other official supporting documents in an attempt to clarify exactly what the Qur’an reveals and what it does not. While the document cannot be changed, the abrogations make many and any later “revelations” that changes, modifies, revokes or adds to a prior revelation, takes presidence over the abrogated material—however none of the material is dated, so what preceeds? I sugest one just read Surah 9, which is quite lengthy and was Muhammad’s “deathbed” revelation. It changes (abrogates) most all of the earlier revelations. I also suggest everyone read their “Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, Translated by N.H.M. Keller, published in 1991 and revised several times, up through 2011. It is printed in Arabic with “facing” English. Being a law book, it is not incumbered by the abrogation and dating issues and is very readable. It is “double” indexed for easy surfing of subject mater—bottom line, Surah 9 (and perhaps 5) and that law manual will provide most of the islamic information one needs to evaluate the their culture and religion.

LewisSanborn

@Don DeHoff @benito44 Thanks Don, Amazon just sold another book!

benito44

@Don DeHoff Hi Don — as point of reference, i read the translation of the meaningsof the “Noble Qur’an” by Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-din al-Hilali, formerly professor of islamic faith and teachings, islamic university, al madinah al-munawwarah and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, formerly director, University, al Madinah al Munawwarah at King Fahd Complex for the printing of the Holy Qur’an an Madina, K.S.A. In addition, a poster on another site, a marine named RAYMOND, posted 12 emails with references and the results of his personal study of muslims and the Koran. So far, the only people i have encountered who “interpret” the Qur’an in a different fashion than RAYMOND and I are either CAIR members ,other propagandists who are provided Taqiyyah to justify anything they want to an infidel. or poorly informed westerners with love in their hearts and a desire for islamarealists to be wrong. Some refer to the “original” version which they say is “peaceful” — unfortunately, based on centuries of escalating terrorism and atrocities at the hands of muslims, I treat that reference as just another example of “taqiyyah”. I was in Phoenix when that “peaceful” believer drove over his daughter because she was becoming “westernized”– and the defense was that the “honor killing” is justified by Shari’ah law. I truly wish i could believe there are “peaceful” muslims, but after their actions, which they justify with the Qur’an and Shariah law, I don’t. I see muslims seeming to act peaceful, such as the savage that we allowed into the US Army — who swore oaths to preserve and protect the Constitution of the USA, who changed his appearance, shaved his beard and did not grow it again until after he had slaughtered his friends and fellow service members, shouting “Allah Akbar”. So this “psychiatrist” used his training and taqiyyah to deceive us. Who would have guessed?? actually, at this stage, all I needed to have heard was that he was a muslim and I would have guessed he had that capability to betray and kill in the name of Allah and Mohammad.

RightStuff44

@benito44 @Don DeHoff Right on, benito44! That is the way I read it. All Muslims who read, understand, and follow the Qur’an are, in effect, radical Muslims. They want to subjugate us, and if that is not done, then they want us dead. Period.

pleroma02

@benito44 @Don DeHoff As a believer in Christ and His Word, I truly do not see how any person who does not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Muslims being unregenerate through faith in Christ do not have that according to the Bible) could be expected to act in any other way but violent and deceitful. Unbelievers are totally at the mercy of the sinful nature they inherited from Adam, so even if their “holy” Qur’an tells them to be peaceful, honest, virtuous – they don’t have a prayer of being so. Then if their book tells them to kill – well, they are lf their father the devil who was a murderer from the beginning – it’s the path of least resistance to them, isn’t it?

BTW, somewhere else on this lengthy conversation we’re having, someone said the Mormons are Christian, but i believe that true Christians believe that Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead, therefore He is God, the one who created everything that was made. Ask a Mormon – Is Jesus God? The answer will be NO. If he’s not both God and man, He could not be a mediator between God and man because the mediator must be equal to both parties. That was off your subject, but I couldn’t find the place to put it in, and I really wanted to get that out there!! Sorry. . .

Rabiddogg

@pleroma02 @benito44 @Don DeHoff Christ himself has said he is not God but the son of God. Are you saying that Jesus is not a Christian?

benito44

@pleroma02 @benito44 @Don DeHoff my desire to deport ALL muslims from the USA does not mean I wish to harm any one of them — just protect my family, friends and other fellow Americans from the potential danger represented by people of the ideology of Islam. It will take a better person and one more knowledgeable than I to convert any of them from the tenets ingrained in them through the brainwashing of the madrass and their “spiritual” leaders or imams. As far as your remarks about “true Christians” — As a non-practicing Catholic, but a firm believer in God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with many many Mormons and while some may pick apart their brand of Christianity (they do believe in God and Jesus Christ), they at least do not practice taqiyya nor espouse the death of non Mormons. Mitt Romney would have made a great President for ALL Americans.

RightStuff44

@pleroma02 @benito44 @Don DeHoff Yup, we always need to get in a swipe at those evil old Mormons!

SandraLeeSmith

@Rabiddogg Yes, in point of fact, Jesus {Yehoshua} is/was NOT a “Christian”, since the term didn’t even exist until LONG after He departed this world, and since He was born, raised, lived and died as a JEW! The TERM Christian was coined to label His follower later among the Greeks of the time, coming from Christos, a GREEK term for savior, or Christ which we anglicize from it. His name Yehoshua, means “God’s Salvation” in HEBREW!

pleroma02

@RightStuff44 @pleroma02 @benito44 @Don Don’t put words in my type!! I never said they were evil. I said they don’t believe in Jesus as God – they don’t! they need to re-evaluate who the Savior is not according to Joe Smith who looked at a rock in a hat for his divine inspiration. C’mon – that’s not evil, but it is a little bizarre?! The evil part would be if he lied just to start a new religion to get himself multi-married. but who could tell . . .

SandraLeeSmith

@pleroma02 Actually Joseph Smith got his “inspiration” from a book he stole from a printing firm for which he worked about 25 years before his “amazing revelation”, the actual author if which was one Samuel Spalding, and the BOOK was a NOVEL he wrote in the Biblical style, with which to amuse friends and family who encouraged him to get it into print. There was no “Angel Moroni” just a thief; which was, in fact, a patten of Smith’s, as history has shown. { and no, he’s no relation of mine!}

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 There you go “blanket labeling” again! There are MANY who were born here that I believe should be deported long before some few of the Muslims who live here, and are BETTER and more dedicated AMERICANS than the former will ever be!

pleroma02

@SandraLeeSmith So his rock-in-the-hat story is a lie, too. Many published books about the LDS church have said that he used to go around with a rock in his hat getting visions and inspiration from it – a ruse to get a new thing going!! We have our modern ones, too – L Ron for one! Thanks for the insight!! interesting stuff. You know, the LDS church has never been able to produce the golden tablets, either.

SandraLeeSmith

@pleroma02 Yep forget the rock in the hat too. Too bad they don’t know any good goldsmiths to come up with those tablets… Right you are about ol’ L Ron and friends too, and a whole mess of others.

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 yes, SandraLeeSmith, “blanket labeling” is what i am doing with muslims since their ideology promotes the conversion, subjugation or death of ALL (talk about “blanket labeling”) infidels– i.e. everyone who is not a muslim. However, I agree with you that there are many non-muslims born here that are equally, or almost equally as bad (see US crime statistics for the list). I don’t know of a SINGLE muslim that is “better and more dedicated AMERICANS” since muslim tenets are in direct conflict with the Constitution of the USA. I do not believe anyone can be opposed to the Constitution and qualify to being a “more dedicated AMERICAN”. So if you are born here in the USA and do not support the US Constitution, I will blanket label you as “UNAMERICAN”.

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 You don’t see it because you CHOOSE to be a bigot and not see the truth; as for my “American'” status; I’m 10th generation natural born; not just native born; had 2 ancestors fighting in the Revolution, and every generation has served since except one, who was a farmer and better use to the nation during WWI growing FOOD for the troops and the other physically disabled so unable to serve, up to and including my sister and myself. And not ALL Muslims ARE in any conflict with our Constitution, because being mature enough to recognize that some portions of the LAW attached to their religion are INAPPROPRIATE, AS did the Jews and Christians about the law portion of their religions, have stopped following and openly opposed it; which is somewhat more mature than you’re being here!

RightStuff44

@pleroma02 @benito44 @Don Oooops! Hit a sensitive nerve, there.

RightStuff44

@SandraLeeSmith @pleroma02 Tear them up, Sandra!

RightStuff44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 You are dizzied than a waltzing piss ant.

RightStuff44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 You are dizzier than a waltzing piss ant,

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 let me see, if you CHOOSE to still follow the mandates of a tyrant, murdering, sexist pedophile, that certainly is your choice. The only way I can understand why anyone would WANT to do that is because of early and continuous brainwashing. I choose on the side of safety to not have someone in the USA whose ideology (for many, not really a true religion) espouses taqiyya among a host of other deadly rules in conflict with the judeo-christian values on which my country was founded. I don’t want that type of person to live around my friends and family and fellow Americans, if you wish to label me as a bigot, go ahead. If you wish to further accuse me of being less mature. Go ahead. I am not offended. I am not trying to offend you. Unfortunately, if you are truly a follower of Islam, I perceive you to be a danger and will speak out against your being in the USA, whether or not you are “natural born”. If you say some portions of your LAW “attached to” your religion are “INAPPROPRIATE”, then you are in more danger of physical assault, torture, or murder from other muslims. I have met muslims in this country who have all the appearances of being nice people. My problem with their being here is that I cannot tell if their “different” behavior is the working of taqiyya, I never hear them speak out about the atrocities done in the name of the tenets of Islam. It would be interesting to see a list of the “LAWs” of your religion that you deem “INAPPROPRIATE”. There are many other religions here in the USA, but I know of none, other than muslim, that promote the convert, or subjugate or kill doctrine. It is hard for me to imagine most american woman desiring to live under the laws of islam. What is an Imam to do if the followers pick and choose the instructions — how can a jihad be successful without rigid compliance from the masses. Question — why ARE you a muslim? What are the tenets that you embrace and adhere to? Just curious because i just have a hard time grasping why anyone other than growing up under the iron hand of it would want to continue with it.

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 What ever it is you’re taking, drinking or smoking is clearly fogging your brain, or maybe it’s that you NEED to get back on your meds! In any case you are completely irrational and impossible to hold a rational adult conversation with! Mature people make decisions based on SANE DISCERNMENT, NOT irrational and blanket fears.

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 Sorry you feel you have to stoop to name calling and personal insults. There is more than ample evidence to PROVE why i have my perception of the dangers of islam ; and why they are not “irrational” but are valid. I do not have blanket fears. I do not suffer from “islamaphobia”, but I am indeed now, an “Islamarealist”. I would invite you to read posts from others who have studied Islam, those who have followed the millions of atrocities conducted all over the world under the banner of islamic jihad. Recently in Arizona, a muslim drove over his daughter and killed her because she was becoming “too westernized” — apparently that was one of the “Laws” “attached” to his muslim faith he chose not to deem “INAPPROPRIATE”. How would one have been able to SANELY DISCERN that this man who took an oath to preserve and protect the Constitutiion and Laws of the USA was choosing not to? Have you asked Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer what they are “taking, drinking or smoking”? If there had been “SANE DISCERNMENT” at Fort Hood, perhaps the islamist “chaplain”, might not have been in the USA and would not have been able to murder unarmed and innocent men whom he had taken OATH to protect and serve with , Apparently he had been choosing not to follow certain “LAWS attached to ” his “religion” until it was time for him to perform his jihad service. I ask again, respectfully, with sane discernment, why ARE you still a muslim? What are the tenets of islam and shariah that you still cling to?

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 We aren’t talking about others’ decisions to act or not.,or how they judge; we’re talking about YOURS! Don’t bring their actions or lack thereof into it. And for the record, Hasan was a psychiatrist not a chaplain. But unless you’ve been in the military, and know how it works from the inside, trying to explain to you, especially the sick rules our military personnel are stuck with these days, WHY that could happen. Pam Geller works with Dr Shoebat on occasion, as does Brigitte Gabriel, both of whom are staunch anti-Sharia activists, because they know he also is. Robert Spencer I’m not acquainted with so I won’t judge. How do you discern what ANYONE’S character is? BY their behaviors, of course, and if those belie the words, then you know to not trust the words. You’re so busy ranting against ALL Muslims you don’t take time to notice whether you’re right or not about an individual. And the ranting is quite irrational at times. YES, by ALL means resist and fight Sharia; but don’t toss out the baby in the bathwater. An innocent Indian man who was likely HINDU not Muslim, if he was of any religion, was murdered recently by JUST such an irrational-thinking woman. She shoved him under a train, because he “looked” Muslim. THAT’S what irrational blanket hate will do.

Kissitgoodbye

@benito44 @SandraLeeSmith / When did Sandra say she was a Muslim? Where did you get that idea?

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 my bad in thinking Hasan was a chaplain. He was an officer in the Armed Forces of the USA, Psychiatrist does not change that his behavior and words prior to his unprovoked murderous “Allah Akbar” (sp?) attack were of allegiance to the flag and constitution of the USA. Now he’s captured, he sues to get his “religious rights” to grow his beard. Seems to me, he was practicing taqiyya up until the obviously pre-planned attack. Who knew? that’s my point. I have not advocated murdering of muslims, nor attacking, nor raping, nor stoning, nor any of the barbarous things being done right now at the hands of muslims to Christians or other infidels in Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, Tunisia, Syria, etc etc etc. There may be muslims who may not be a danger to infidels like me — how would I know, and when a mistake is made, such as with Hasan, the consequences are not insulting words such as yours to me, but far more dangerous to the people and country I care about. You call my statements and beliefs as “ranting” — ok no offense taken. I don’t consider them as such. I am just exercising an inalienable right acknowledged in the USA under Article 1 of the US Constitution. It is not against the law to do so Again, i have never advocated violence against those who have yet to commit violence. And yes, i am aware of the insane woman who pushed a man under a train because he looked muslim. We had a case in Arizona where right after 9/11/2001 attack by mostly Saudi muslims, an idiot here shot and killed a turban wearing Sikh — apparently, the Sikh was a wonderful, peaceful family man and kind member of his community. As for bringing in others to the conversation, they were brought in as sources from which i have drawn some of my conclusions. I just didn’t wake up one day and decide that followers of islam do not belong in this country. I saw what was happening around the world. I dug into it further. My conclusions were based on the information I received from a myriad of sources. My question to you regarding what tenets you are choosing to follow still stands as a reasonable question — so far, from everything I have read and seen, I do not see how the ideology of islam can be tailored to comply with the Constitution of the USA. I also have a hard time believing that a muslim who defies any of the tenets could not be placed on a “hit list” as many have already been (Mr. Rushdie, for example). It is funny that you refer to Dr. Shoebat and Brigitte Gabriel as “staunch anti-Sharia activists”. I will have to dig a lot deeper to find their activism. Perhaps they might shed light on how the ideology can be tailored to fit in the USA, because so far, I have not seen “activism” against the atrocities happening almost daily around the world by any of the “peaceful muslims” residing here. I have seen the attacking and stoning of peaceful Christians on the streets of Dearborn, Michigan, apparently aided by default of the muslim chief of police. I did not hear of, read of or see a peep out of Dr. Shoebat, nor Brigitte Gabriel to condemn these assaults by muslims on peaceful christians.

benito44

@Kissitgoodbye @benito44 @SandraLeeSmith she did not directly, but her post about being a 10th generation gave the impression she might be and that’s why i asked.

Kissitgoodbye

@benito44 @SandraLeeSmith / Well… You came right out and asked her why she was a Muslim. She has said her family is from this country going back ten generations, so I didn’t get where you would get that impression. Just wondering.

benito44

@Kissitgoodbye @benito44 @SandraLeeSmith it came from her previous post and with that background history, it appeared she was letting me know that my inclusive assertions about muslims was not correct because …she was 10th generation, etc. She has not once said she was not in response to my questions. I would not waste time asking her if she were to let me know she is not muslim.

Kissitgoodbye

@benito44/ I didn’t get that. She is just saying that there are SOME outspoken Muslims who oppose Sharia. She is NOT condoning Sharia. She is saying you should not give blanket condemnation just as you would not give blind trust to someone. Kind of like assuming ALL Irish are drunks.

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 I apologize for offending you. Now Hasan DID send out all kinds of signals; long before that attack; BUT the PC environment in which we live and the situation WITHIN the military itself at the time, are more responsible for him not being stopped. His superiors had known for as much as 2 years before that attack, as had his peers and colleagues, that he was radicalizing; they’d been seeing it in his papers and hearing it in his speech. But the military is a different world and reporting him for that within that climate as it is now, was next to impossible. Even his superiors were apt to be penalized for doing so, “for being prejudiced’. The environment is such that doing what one SHOULD be doing is a punishable offense, when it comes to reporting a potential hazard or crime. It’s WORSE now, because of the repeal of DADT, and the consequences of that. Go to ACT! for America; it’s Brigitte’s site, and Dr Shoebat often posts there or she reports on some of his activities. Also American Islamic Forum for Democracy; which is Dr Zhudi Jasser’s site, another activist against Sharia. They ARE few, and I’m not saying they’re not, but they ARE there. Fear is an enemy that is being USED by those in power to KEEP us divided for their purposes. Many more of the people in the middle east are turning away from Islam than our western media is letting on, especially the younger people because they’re SEEING, due to contact with the rest of the world, how wrong it is, on their own. Yes the activist fundamentalists are acting in evil ways, but they’re NOT ALL Muslims. I have occasional contact with some from Egypt, and from other areas. I know a young Indian man who was afraid America was going to just wake up and attack India one morning and that all Americans wanted THAT! This is NOT just an American problem. I have a friend in Kuwait who’s a freelance journalist and we’re firmly agreed you cannot trust ANY of the world’s media. We send each other articles about what’s going on and it’s almost comical. The hate/propaganda spewing about us is almost identical to what you’re hearing here about them. Think about that, and who might stand to gain from it!

SandraLeeSmith

@Benito44: I’m the kid in the center of that picture, do I look like a Muslim? Granted it was about 60 years ago, but I still have the red hair and freckles…

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 no need to apologize, you did not offend me, i am old enough to look past the insulting language sometimes thrown in heated discourse. I have been to ACT and a bio on Brigitte Gabriel as well as a search on Dr. Shoebat, both of those outspoken against Sharia (and islam) are Christian. For the mostpart they provide support for my concerns. That is a Cute photo! I would not judge your ideology just by the way you look. I might say as opinion, you could pass for Irish! However, Since you have yet to deny or affirm if you are muslim, i previously asked those questions for my own education. For the life of me, i cannot see any rational intelligent person with any access to history becoming a muslim. The extremes in the Qur’an and Shariah and the behavior, actions and words espoused by muslims around the world seem incredulous. On Pamela Geller’s “Atlas Shrugs” site there are listings of the murders and atrocities committed in the name of Islam by year. As for understanding muslims, I remember watching Teriq Aziz (sp) the foreign minister or ambassador for Sadam Hussein on many occasions, look right into the tv cameras and tell the most bald-faced lies without a trace of shame. Later, I learned how he could justify that blatant lying — taqiyya. Anyway, I am still looking for a solution for the very real problem of Islam. Understanding who Muhammed was from historical accounts from the US, UK, Spain gives me a lot of concern about anyone who clings to that ideology, whether or not in favor of “Shariah” .However, I shall look up Dr. Zhudi Jasser, and perhaps i will discover what makes a person understand the Qur’an and Shariah, and still want to cling to that ideology.

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 Thank-you. There is some Irish in the lineage along with a bunch of other things; basically we’re American “mutt”. Dr Shoebat I believe was Muslim and converted; he also works closely with Dr Jasser.. Dr Jasser does still practice Islam but NOT Sharia. He’s spoken before Congress, and on TV every opportunity he gets, NOT just Fox. Also radio shows.. The problem is that CAIR is the “darling” of the beltway bunch, and the media here so they get the press, and THEY are MB. Dr Jasser has a new book out about how to draw Muslims AWAY from the violence of Sharia, written for Muslims. He’s also working with Muslim communities in Canada to that end. I don’t have the answers either; but I know blanket hatred because of a label is dangerous; as much to the person holding it as to the ones toward whom it’s directed. AND I know that’s precisely what those in power WANT; for us to all hate each other because of labels, to keep us from turning together against the real enemy of us all. Back during the Persian empire that was a tactic the Sultan used to keep the peoples under his subjugation from turning against him too, and it works until the people start seeing clearly, and TALKING to each other..

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 I do not “hate” muslims. The desire to deport all muslims is to avoid the danger of having to detect those who are practicing what their imams and their ideology preach from those who SAY they are peaceful, yet cling to the ideology and the worship of Muhammed who calls for the conversion, subjugation or killing of ALL infidels. The world wide jihad to establish the One world Caliphate has reached in all corners of the globe. We have already seen the many attempts (over 50 cases in the USA already) to inject Shariah into our system. We have muslims appointed to powerful positions throughout our country. There are mosques being built in every state of the union and “our” muslim brotherhood (terrorist organization) supporting person occupying the whitehouse is calling for muslims to be appointed to NASA and other key organizatiions. Tell me how I can tell a non-violent believer in the violence espoused in the Qur’an and Shariah from a violent one? When can you tell if taqiyya is being practiced on you? Were the soldiers “befriended” by Hasan given time to defend themselves when he carried out his jihad? To almost everyone except obama and his puppet master Valerie Jarrett, this was NOT a “workplace accident” — it was a pre-planned jihad for islam carried out by a muslim who had been practicing taqiyya until he decided to make his move. Do I believe there could be muslims who might convert away from that horrible ideology — of course. That has nothing to do with what i wish to see happen here. It is not an easy task to consider who is and who is not a rabid potential killer — but so far, it is not difficult to see that the followers of islam have a very troubling ideology that presents an extreme danger to the rest of the world. I am not saying that a muslim cannot believe in his ideology. I don’t even advocate their extinction. Just keep them out of our country and when they want to bring the jihad here we will meet them off shore. If there are those who wish to convert, sure i would open the door for them here. I just do not have any trust available at this stage, based on history and current activities to want someone here who says they believe in the Qur’an, “but not the bad parts.” You call me a bigot for the “blanketing”. I call myself a believer in what I see, hear and read, and would rather err on the side of safety for the lives of my family, friends and other fellow Americans. I wish no harm to those who are muslim by force and who would rather not be. We are faced with blanketing daily — are you a Democrat? Republican? Libertarian? what do those blanket terms mean and do they apply exactly? If I refuse to refer to someone as an “African American” because I am labeled “White” and not “Scottish American”, does that automatically make me a bigot or racist? As mentioned before, i will research your Dr.Jasser. with an open mind, but with prior information and input.

Rabiddogg

@SandraLeeSmith but he also said he was not God but the son of God. He referred to God several times as “Father” not “Me”. To say those who believe as Christ did are not Christian is just wrong. In fact, most did not believe in the trinity until the Council 400 years later. His contemporaries believed as he did, that he was son of God made man and then he transcended to heaven after his death.

pleroma02

@Rabiddogg @SandraLeeSmith You still are not addressing the mediatorship of Christ: that’s the issue that the church fought through to arrive at the hypostatic union of Jesus Christ in that council 400 years later. AND 400 years is a lot closer to His earthly ministry than 2012. A mediator must be EQUAL to both parties. The conflict is between God and man. Hypostatic union make Him totally unique; He is the unique (ECHAD) person of the universe. Only-begotten = uniquely begotten. the only one BORN as Adam was created – without sin. And he was non posse pecuare (sp) because He was God and posse non pecuare because he was man. Just look at the table of contents of any good theology textbook and you will see the issues that the church as the body of Christ has sought to resolve throughout the history of the Church. Truth seekers – that’s what theologians are. I know i do not fully understand the uniqueness of the Lord, but if I could totally understand it, I’d be divine – and I never will be that. I’m related to the divine, however – In Christ. And of course Jesus wasn’t “a Christian” which means followers fo the Christ – He was the Christ.

Evermyrtle

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 Once a commenter starts calling names and spewing insults I do not answer them, anymore. I do not believe that it is GOD’S will that I continue to communicate with them.

Evermyrtle

@benito44 Maybe you should give up on these two. I mean, we do not know everything, they do.

Don DeHoff

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44″Benito”, I have been conducting an intense studfy of the Islamic/Muslim issues for the last 4-5 years. Well said, and should be required reading. I question our government’s ability to “vett” any devoute Muslim, as their training and education not only expects but demands they lie, cheat, steal, deceive, and even committ mayhem, if doing so furthers the cause of Islam, i.e., can they successfully pass a lie detector test? And, if they are “moderate”, very few would admit being so in light of the Islamic revelation demanding the death penalty for any deviation from their Holy Book. I truely wonder how many Muslims would abandon Islam, especially the women, if that ungodly revelation did not exist? I also advocate, both legislation and court rulings, that “truth and facts” can never be blasphemy, racist, slander or a hate crime; verbage that most Muslims hide behind. I admit I know not how to reorient the learning and thinking of the millions of Muslims here in the U.S., but “letting them know, that we know”, surely is a step in the rigtht direction.

Don DeHoff

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44″Sandra”, I will make this short and sweet!. First the Qur’an in completly undeceipherable, even by the more learned Muslims. It is completly lacking in chronology, and “sprinkled” with undated “abrogations”, and yet none of the abrogated material hasbeen removed from that “unchangable” original document One prime example, Surah 9 (out of 114 Surahs), which the Muslims acknowledge was “revealed” during Muhammad’s last days, changes about 80% of the original document and reading that Surah alone, gives one a good grasp of what that Holy Book is about. To get a far better feel for Islam, buy “their” book, “Reliance of The Traveller, .A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”, published in 1991, and reprinted several times up through 20ll (perhaps even more by now), It is translated by N.H.M. Keller.It is printed in Arabic with “facing” English. It is “double” indexed for easy surfing by subject. Bes tof all, it is not encoumbered by lack of chronology or abrogation issues. Sandra, for you, if you read just those parts that pertain to women, you will come away with an entirely new opinion of Islam, that is unless you have been throughly “indoctrinated” by their “system”. I challange you to read the suggested parts and then get back to “us”.We will all look forward to hearing from you. By the way, Amazon and most large book sellers, carry the book at a cost of about $25.00. It is a very large document in that it contains both Arabic and English. It is a “must have” document for anyone interested or concerned with the Muslim/Islamic issues.

Kissitgoodbye

@benito44 @SandraLeeSmith / Professor Louis Michael Seidman teaches law at Georgetown and he believes the Constitution should be abolished because he views our constitution as “Archaic”. This is what our kids are being taught in our institutions of higher learning. This professor is born and raised here. I doubt he is a Muslim, but I see HIM as ppa threat to our way of life. That same constitution protects his freedom of speech. It is what allows him to express his opinion, as distasteful as it is to me. I’d like to see him express his opinions in ANY country in the Middle East. He’d die trying. We also have freedom of religion. Extremists hide behind that, even though they are selling a political ideology that has wrapped itself in religion, and is at odds with our way of life. They, too, are protected. I believe this is why we need effective immigration law. Open boarders are an open invitation for those who do not have to adapt to our culture and is largely responsible for the breakdown of our society. Honor killings, while accepted in the Middle East, are happening here. I think most Americans find this practice abhorrent. What I want to know is why we can install Muslim foot baths on public property with the blessing of All, but anything perceived as Christian is banned? If it’s ok for one, why is it unacceptable for another? I smell a manipulation by our government. I think they WANT us to be angry… To what end?

Evermyrtle

@Rabiddogg @pleroma02 @benito44 @Don DeHoff CHRISTIAN: if you add “ian” to CHRIST YOU GET CHRISTIAN. CHRISTIAN means believer and, or followers of CHRIST. That is how simple it was. The TRINITY, IS MADE UP OF GOD , JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. THEY ARE THREE IN ONE AND THEY ARE ONE.

TRINITY is only a word to describe the three in one and the one in three. IT is not a Biblical word.

NavyJR

@benito44 I read the Quran, and studied the religion back in the ’60s in college as part of a history course, and when I need clarification of some of the fine points, I have a very good friend who is an ex-Muslim, by his choice, I often ask. I’m fully acquainted with all your concerns. And I will invite YOU to visit the site run by a Navy Medical Corps veteran and practicing physician, Dr Zhudi Jasser who is an OUTSPOKEN OPPONENT of Sharia, while still practicing the strictly religious aspects of Islam. He took and believes exactly the SAME oath I did before him, TO our Constitution; read some of his writings, with an open HEART as well as mind, please. I’m a member of ACLJ and Act! for America, as well As for my friend, he doesn’t lie to me; he’s told me things he’d NEVER have told an older American woman, and he KNOWS to whom he speaks, were he practicing taqqiya. I’m NOT suggesting you trust every, or even MOST, Muslims! DON’T for an instant! I also have a friend dealing with them in Dearborn, MI. Believe me I DO know. But it might help you to remember “you shall know them by their fruits”. THAT’S the basis on which I judge all who come to me, Blanket categorizing is going to DESTROY the human race, literally, and very soon, if we DON’T find ways to come together against the ones who are our TRUE enemies. and who are INCITING all the various hatreds!

benito44

@NavyJR @benito44 Thank you for your invitation to look, however, my “blanket” category still fits anyone who accepts the Qur’an as their way of life. I do not advocate the conversion, subjugation or death of Muslims who will not convert to Christianity, but I do not trust anyone who has a sadist, polygamist, pedophile as their leader and prophet. “You shall know them by their fruits” is exactly why I want all of them out of this country — just look at the millions of deaths and trillions of dollars of destruction at the hands of muslims. The muslim who recently shot and killed soldiers at a base here in the US was a muslim “chaplain” — his fruits up until the unprovoked murders would have indicated a peaceful man who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the USA. If your friend is no longer a muslim, that makes him a target for death from his former muslim brethren. The muslims who are in this country who do NOTHING and say NOTHING about all the atrocities at the hands of the so called “radical” islamists are by their silence default supporters. Sorry NavyJR no sale to this American. I will still push to have all muslims be removed from this Country. Ex muslims would, of course, be welcome, since they would be targets for death under their wonderful tenets of the Qur’an and Shariah.

RightStuff44

@benito44 @NavyJR I just don’t know how you could be any more correct, benito44. You see it exactly the way I do. If they believe the “holy” book, and lived their lives by it, they are desiring to rid the world of all infidels. To have them in our midst is, by definition, dangerous, and destructive to our American principles.

NavyJR

@benito44 That was my point, those I spoke of ARE saying and acting; not just sitting there! And I know the position my friend and his family are in, all too well.Drs Jasser and Shoebat appear as often as they’re permitted on TV, radio, and such, Dr Shoebat works with Ms Gabriel at ACT! for America, a strongly ANTI-Sharia PAC, and Dr Jasser speaks, writes, testifies before Congress, and every other thing he can do, is ALLOWED to do, to stop the spread of Sharia here.. The PROBLEM is that CAIR and other MB offshoots have so infested our media and government that they get drowned out by their clamor, so people in general, much like you, DON’T hear their voices.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 @benito44 So long as you both continue to refuse to judge individuals AS individuals, you continue to play RIGHT into the hands of the ONE who benefits from this, and to be part of the PROBLEM, not the solution! That’s a sad thing to have to say. Bigotry in all its forms, and that IS one, is always more harmful to the ones holding it in their hearts, than the ones toward which they “aim” it! Blanket judgment of groups, based on a single factor IS bigotry.

benito44

@NavyJR @RightStuff44 @benito44 Being called a bigot in this matter is not offensive to me .. in this matter. I am not anti-arab, anti-iraqi, anti-iranian — or any other nationality or race — just anti-muslim and it is based on the protection for my loved ones and fellow “infidels” who are subject to being murdered by the group whose ideology demands it. The Constitution of the USA confirms important God-given rights that the Qur’an is in direct conflict with. If one adheres to the Qur’an whether or not you say you don’t agree with the Shariah law it demands, you are espousing conflict with these Constitutionally protected rights. If a muslim desires to assimilate into the American culture and accept the Constitution, he will have to give up the Qur’an and Shariah. Anything less is dangerous to the lives and freedoms of US Citizens. I do judge individuals as individuals — unfortunately, the adherence to the Qur’an and Shariah with its taqiyya tenets renders all muslims as equally dangerous to me. I have ZERO tolerance for those espousing my death if I don’t convert to their twisted beliefs. There is no feeling in me to apologize to those who revere a polygamist, terrorist, murdering pedophile and who denigrate, mutilate and subjugate women. You have a right to your opinion NavyJR. because you are in “the greatest country on God’s green earth”- a right which you would not have under muslim rule.

RightStuff44

@benito44 @NavyJR We can’t deal with a lethal enemy with soft, squishy logic.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 Who said we should; just be sure the ones you target ARE your lethal enemies!

RightStuff44

@NavyJR Navy, you need to take a break. You are making no sense. Do you ever sleep?

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 What exactly makes no sense in what I said? Or maybe you don’t care about killing innocent people needlessly? I took an oath about that as well as the one to the Constitution, neither of which has expired.

Don DeHoff

@NavyJR @benito44Navy….,, We have not jousted in quite some time. Your overall post left everyone wondering exactly here you stand. First, your comments on reading (and I assume understanding) the Qur’an and discussing it with a known “moderate”, reveals your ignorance (meaning only you do not have the facts). The “unchangeable” Qur’an, with its 114 Surahs, , by itself, is absolutely undeceipherable, even by most learned Muslims. It is completly lacking in chronology, and its randomly placed “abrogations” (also undated) add to the un-readablility. Briefly the Muslim meaning of Abrogation means that any later(undated) “revelation” that is in conflict with a prior(also undated) revelation, takes presidence over the earlier one—Without “time frames”, how does one sort all of that out?). To further complicate the issue, none of the abrogated (you look up the lengthy defintion) material has been removed (edited out) from that “unchangable, exact spoken word of Allah”. A priime example is Surah 9 (Verse of the Sword), which the Muslim authorities acknowledge was revealed by Muhammad in the last days of his life. Those many final ” revelations” containing many abrogations, changed about 80% of the original peaceful, loving, and understanding revelations in their Sacred Holy Book. Then you say, you rely upon a knowledegable Muslim for guidence. The Qur’an clearly states that there must be no deviation from the Qur’an, under penalty of death, unless one is doing “other things” that will further the cause of Islam. That revelation clearly states one can lie, cheat, steal, decieve, or even committ murder, if doing so will further the cause of Islam. Even the Muslims indirectly acknowledge the unreadablity of their Holy Book. That is is documented by their reams upon reams of other official supporting documents that attempt to clarify its revelations. The best source of accurate Muslim information is their “Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”, Translated by N.H.M. Keller, published in 1991 and reprinted several times up through 2011. It is printed in Arabic, with “facing” English, very readable, and is “double” indexed for easy surfing of subject matter. It is not encumbered by chronology and abrogation issues. I question the validity of the term “moderate Muslim”, in that the penalty for abandoning any facit of Islam is death. Those who might be moderate, surely are not going to admit it. In my opinion, if all of the abrogated material was edited out of the Qur’an and the remainder placed in chonological order, that document would be little more than a “declaration of war” against all “non-believers”. “Navy”, may we hear from you?.

NavyJR

@Don DeHoff First off, I KNOW all that you presented; and that you assume my friend is lying; he’s an EX-Muslim, as in NO LONGER practicing. The additions came long after the death of Muhammad who actually WROTE none of it, in fact; it was his followers who did the writing. And with that for a “prophet” and the history of Alla{-h} himself, the abrogating material is very understandable. What some few are able to do is to take the parts that were abrogated, and use THEM “stand-alone”, with our Constitution as the basis of LAW, rather than Sharia, which is what the biggest problem is. They are able to live in harmony with their neighbors. What you need to understand is that the SAME source of the divisiveness in our nation is also active on a global scale, and it’s coming from WAY “above O’s pay grade.” It’s pushing the “hate-mongering among Muslims as much as it’s doing here for its own purposes. In the END, Islam is to be abolished as well as Christianity and Judaism, Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism etc. And only ONE religion will be permitted, which is none that is openly recognized/practiced now. My friend was wise enough, as well as smart enough to see the inconsistencies and lies, and to walk away from Islam. It was because he was exploring others’ beliefs and reasons for them, that we initially met. There are others like him in the middle east, but we don’t hear about them either because they are killed, or because they’re kept silent in other ways. Like my friend, I am aware of what Islam is, and what drives it, as well as who is doing the driving.

NavyJR

@Benito44: I respect your concerns; and with most, especially CAIR and all hte rest of the MB off-shoots, I fully agree! Now have YOU ever visited americanislamicforumfordemocracy.com or read or listened to Dr Zhudi Jasser, or Drs Walid or Ted Shoebat? Those happen to be OUTSPOKEN Muslims AGAINST Sharia, against CAIR, and all the rest of the MB, and FOR our Constitution as a BETTER way for them as well as us. BTW Dr Jasser is a veteran who served in our Navy Medical Corps. Those men appear as often as they can on Fox, with ACT! for America, and so on to refute the lies of the MB groups here, who HATE them! NOT all are “evil and out to get you, even if MOST ARE. You decide by the fruits, same as with anyone else.

RightStuff44

@NavyJR You don’t mention that these people hold their opinions under fear of death. They represent such a small percentage of the Muslim world, it is like peeing in the ocean.

NavyJR

@RightStuff44 Threat of death, yes; but they have the courage to take the stand anyway. So NOT fear! And I never SAID they were a majority or anything but a small minority; only that they DO exist!

@RobertLatta Agreed; and those who ARE here are drowned out by the loudmouthed MB fronts. You might also find americanforumfordemocracy.com interesting. It’s run by another such Muslim; a Navy vet, and practicing physician in the Phoenix area. He took and believes the same oath I did. But we aren’t going to stop anything, with the borders wide open!

raccoonden

@NavyJR @RobertLatta We are in serious trouble with the borders. We have no idea how many Other Than Mexicans OTM’s are coming across our border. I know that ranchers have been finding Korans, Dinars, and Arab currency near the border. My neighbor has a second home in the hills of AZ not too far from the border and he is afraid to go hiking now because of the illegals and mules for the drug cartels spread out all over the place. He also tells me that the desert has been trashed out. I lived in TX 30 years ago and we never thought much of the illegals coming across the border because they were just looking for work. This is not the case now, there are criminals, terrorists, OTM’s, and drugs flooding in!

NavyJR

@raccoonden What your friend told you is true; and more; Sheriff Joe sends a chain gang down at least weekly, in an effort to somewhat contain the trash accumulation, for health-hazard reasons. The desert down there, when I first move here, more than 30 years ago, was beautiful; now it reminds me of a city DUMP! The diseases, and other hazards they’re bringing in are breaking our health care system too; on top of all the rest of the problems. And the majority of these coming in now wind up on welfare!

franseaaz

Amen, Marsha Livingston.

benito44

@navyJR thanks for the referrals, i will check them out. Again, i would not trust anyone that still clings to Mohammed and the Qur’an. If they truly believe our Constitution is “a BETTER way for them..”, then why do they cling to the muslim ideology? It is tantamount to having someone swear on an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States while taking a critical position with our government, only to turn around and promote those who would destroy us; who continually ignored or violated the constitutions laws — oh, wait a minute, we did that already, barack hussein obama, a man who was brainwashed in an islamic madrass as a child, placed there by his Indonesian muslim father. How is this working for us?

NavyJR

@benito44 That IS happening in our government, and has been for over a century; but NOT with Muslims; and the real culprit; the enemy to America, to Muslims, to Jews, and in truth to all of humanity is NOT those Muslims! So long as they reject Sharia, and all aspects of that, who they choose to pray to is between them and their Creator; not my job description. The threat to us all comes from a wholly different quarter, and Muslims, particularly MB and its many subgroups, are being USED by that threat, for as specific purpose, after which they too will be eliminated! Are you acquainted with the CFR? Trilateral Commission? Bilderbergers? UN Agenda 21 or WHO Codex Alimentarius? Illuminati? Those are also tools of the real enemy!

benito44

@NavyJR the topic was reference to muslims terrorizing our Constitution — whether or not they are tools of the OWO , they represent a clear and present danger as muslims. Those that tell me they reject Shariah but cling to the rest are not to be trusted — taqiyya gives them the right and duty to deceive. I share your feelings that whom they choose to pray to is between them and their Creator. However, their tenets of ideology and savage behavior is not acceptable to me and I will fight them tooth and nail. I wasn’t here for Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Delano Roosevelt , but if I had been, I would have fought them too for their destructive socialist programming. They, however did not issue tenets for their followers to convert, subjugate or kill. The One World Order folks are in the radar. At present, i can deal with the traitorous fraud in the white house and the muslims trying to take over our lives.

raccoonden

The reason Alan west was cheated out of his congressional seat is the fact has is a Tea Party sympathizer and he nailed the Muslim problem. No one else articulated the problem we have with the Muslims better than Alan West -that’s why his was destroyed politically!

@RobertLatta And boycott Facebook for promoting pornography with children

Evermyrtle

I do not know about the constitution but I know what they are doing to Christians. These foreigners coming into our country to try to “wean” us from JESUS CHRIST, by ridicule, threats and harassment.. We should send every one back where they came from, not keep them here and protect them, feed them and give them a living while many of our own people are going hungry..

NavyJR

@DonDeHoff: I can’t find where in the thread you posted that last comment; but you clearly didn’t read my response to the previous one; only what you wanted to hear. I KNOW about “taqqiya”, and O practices it constantly! As do the members of CAIR, ISNA, ISMA, NAIT, and dozens of others! I KNOW what they’re taught, have seen photos of the toddlers with guns and grenades, etc. AND I know that SOME humans are capable of learning beyond what they were taught as children. I’ve learned MANY things that negate what I was taught, and know the latter to be true. I ALSO know it’s NOT human nature for most to do so, including posters on this site.

BillyMullins

And so we have YET ANOTHER path to revolution. There are millions of us out here in flyover country who categorically WILL NOT submit to Sharia. PERIOD!!!!! It is very much in the interest of the alleged “moderate” Muslims who do not desire to live under Sharia here to visibly and publicly oppose efforts to introduce Sharia law here in the U.S. Otherwise, when the inevitable violent reaction to such an imposition occurs those moderates may well be caught up in the pogrom that results. I do not condone such violence but I can see it happening.

gregliebigsr

Hello to all of those humans in the Islam religion. I was given this message 8/26/2011 about 9:00 p.m. I have been writing to all of humanity for the past six years now but GOD(Yahweh) has given me instructions to directly address those of the Islamic faith Muslims! There are some things He wants to say to you the Muslim people some things you must know! Time is short! HE said, “I want you to tell them that in the very near future they will be the “ONE WORLD RELIGION.” They will only have to contend with those of other false religions wicca hindu self buddhist and a whole lot of other cults. They will quickly subdue all of their heathen enemies. They will eradicate all non-believing islam religions and any other opposing heathen factions. Now before I continue with this message I must once again speak to all of humanity. GOD (YAHWEH) does love each and every human on His planet! That is why He sent Jesus (His SON) to earth. The Holy Bible John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” Ok so in a very very short time from now God will send His Son Jesus to get His bride. He will come to remove all of those humans who have accepted Him into their lives. The Holy Bible . I Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. I Thess. 4:17 After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever. All who look to Him and love His appearing will be taken off this planet; raptured! Now back to addressing the Islam folks. So therefore all Christians will be gone! They will be out of your way. You will only have to deal with those heathen folks who have been left behind! You know, those people who have rejected Jesus (Yeshua) The Christ. Now all other religions cults and of course the just plain lost who are still here will be severely persecuted. They will be given a chance to accept the islam religion. It will be worship the beast or die. No real second choice with them! “You have a choice islam or death, choose now, infidel!” I did tell you the worst was yet to come. All those folks who are still pretending to be Christians will be faced with the same decision accept islam or die. The Holy Bible .Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. This will be the only way out for you! This will be your only way to Heaven now. This will be your only hope of ever seeing Jesus or your loved ones again! You will be killed! You will be beheaded! You must die! Why even those Muslims who do not belong to this radical sect will be forced to join them. If they do not they too will be killed! No more separate islamic sects just one radical religion under a false demonic god being lead by a false demonic prophet. So I want to say this again! Now is the time to be saved. Today is the day of salvation. I am pleading with you my precious fellow human beings! You do not have to stay lost. You do not have to be left behind. Yeshua (Jesus) The Christ is humanity’s only hope for life eternal. BE IT UNDERSTOOD THOUGH you have a choice you have a free will. You don’t have to accept Him. I am not forcing you to do anything. I am just presenting to you the LOVE of GOD ALMIGHTY! You can just tell Yeshua no. You can just wait and see what happens. You can just wait and see if this preacher was right or wrong. You can choose to mock God mock Jesus even mock His servants but one thing is for certain if you miss the rapture YOU WILL BE ON YOUR OWN and this message will forever burn in your memory! So once again I say to you those who have not yet accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord renounce all false gods. Renounce your own evil ways and desires. REPENT WHOLE HEARTEDLY of unbelief towards GOD. Tell God (Yahweh) that you are sorry for having offended Him and hurt Him. Ask His Son, Yeshua(Jesus) to come in to your life. Ask Jesus to forgive you of all the sin in you life, wash you by His Blood and to fill you with His Precious Holy Spirit. This is GOD’S plan and your purpose in life He in you and you in Him! Ask Him to lead your life and to help others to know Him and be saved. You can miss the wrath of God and all the carnage that will take place after we are gone! With love in Christ Jesus The Lord’s Servant

SandraLeeSmith

@benito44 Even IF ICE would consider a mass deportation of “all Muslims” , there’s a HUGE snag: MANY Muslims are citizens by birth, even multigenerational citizens by birth, of the US. What do you propose to do with those? And WHY do YOU wish to live in fear? Yes there are threats and danger. Did you never learn how to deal with bullies as a kid? That’s what they ARE, in point of fact. Blanket labeling of a group in such a way IS bigotry, not my definition, fact. When the Italians and then the Irish first came to the US they were so labeled too; when the Hispanic peoples first started becoming citizens of the US, they also were thus labeled. In EVERY instance, it’s WRONG! Some “evil-minded” people in a batch or group DOESN’T mean all are. How do you decide the black kid behind you in a line at the market isn’t a threat? Or the Hispanic man who’s attired the way drug runners often are isn’t a danger to you?? Use the SAME tools to discern about Muslims as individuals too. Actually “Democrat” and “Republican” mean exactly the SAME thing these days; and Libertarian essentially means “irrelevant”. NOT falling into the “race” trap, is good, but it’s only one form of bigotry, sadly, and that’s a prison for you more than those you choose to shun. We are ALL one race: human; and the longer we allow those in control to divide us, the longer they’ll STAY in control. There is NO way the Muslims are leaving; that’s also a fact; so we MUST learn to deal effectively with what IS. In fact; I doubt seriously there is any way, any longer, that we’re going to STOP the influx of Sharia, because IT fits more closely with the religious beliefs of those who have the real power just now. And I promise you, YOU do NOT hate that idea more than I do; as a retired single woman whose only living male relatives live in a different part of the country, and one of those is a sociopath! I know VERY well what that would force on me. Down in AZ we have many threats coming in daily across our open border. I choose to NOT live my life in constant fear!

SandraLeeSmith

@Rabiddogg That is NOT what I said: I said Jesus was NOT a Christian, which is fact. SOME who truly believe as He did, are so labeled. NOT all who “claim” to be, however, truly are. IF you understand simple English “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH{emphasis mine} God, as in 2 distinct persons. Jesus is also called the Word; ergo what others chose to believe is kind of moot.

SandraLeeSmith

@kissitgoobye:Short answer, by keeping us divided and hating other segments of our nation, they keep us more malleable and easily manipulated, and FROM uniting against them in outrage!

Kissitgoodbye

@SandraLeeSmith /. I personally believe that there will be an assault on our constitution. First to go… Freedom of press, then an assault on Judao-Christian religion with an emphasis on anything Christmas. Anything Muslim is fine. Now I am reading that BO is going to enact “Swift” gun legislation. Don’t be surprised by a decision to get rid of our constitution, when you have Georgetown U professors calling the constitution archaic. I also think they consider it desirable to have citizens divided. Change for the worse.

SandraLeeSmith

@Kissitgoodbye We haven’t had a “free press” for decades now; since before Reagan was elected; they’ve been in the hip pockets of the puppet masters. They make Pravda of the ’50s look free. And our Constitution has been under assault for the past 150 or so years. They’re just FINISHING the hatchet job.We don’t have 4th and 5th Amendment rights now, the 2nd is about to be toppled any day now; and the 1st has been on very shaky ground for over a decade, but especially since O stole office. What’s happening is that the ILLUSION we still had those things is no longer being maintained, because they’re so close to the goal they DON’T care that we now see what they’re up to. Remember where it says to “occupy ’til I come” ? We need to adopt a mindset like the men on Wake and Corregidor; and hunker down!

Evermyrtle

@gregliebigsr Thank you so much for your post, It denotes a Christian, A GOD loving person.

gregliebigsr

@Evermyrtle @gregliebigsr Evermyrtle, thank you for your kind words. I perceive you to be an individual who is in love with our Lord Jesus. If you wish , you can look me up on facebook then we can be friends as well as co-laborers together for Christ.

Evermyrtle

@gregliebigsr @Evermyrtle Best compliment I have had in “many a day! I am a sinner but “GOD, HIS SON and the HOLY GHOST” is the most important part of my life followed by my children and grandchildren. I am Myrtle Linder on Facebook but seldom look at it , I don’t have much time to do that after blogging. I believe our SAVIOR will come for us soon and I will meet you then. I love sharing blogs with other Christians. Have a good night!

Evermyrtle

@SandraLeeSmith @Rabiddogg CHRISTIAN could not possibly be a Christian. Christian was derived from CHRIST, meaning a believer, a follower of CHRIST.

benito44

@Evermyrtle @benito44 usually folks resort to name calling and throwing insults when the points they have put forth are indisputably conquered by logic and fact. Sometimes it just indicates the person who is doing the name calling is tired, frustrated and does not want to admit a better point was made. I don’t take it personally. I try to get the conversation back to civil so we can come to an agreement, even it is just an agreement to disagree. In the long run, we are all on the same side as Americans. In my experience the “left” or more liberal leaning folks tend to rush to the personal attack when they cannot support their statements. I realize it sounds out of character for me to espouse the removal of all muslims from this country, but to date, from all I have seen and learned, I believe it to be the most humane way to remove the danger from the USA. I am going to research the muslim Dr. Jasser out of courtesy to SandraLeeSmith and to see what I may learn. I am keeping an open mind, but the mere fact that Dr. Jasser is still adhering to his ideology as a muslim waves red flags to me. If you have not done it yet, just google “mosques” “madrass” for your own state and you may be surprised at how many there are and also at their locations.

benito44

@Don DeHoff @SandraLeeSmith @benito44 Thank you Don for the posts.I have also been to islamic websites and downloaded their “approved” version with approved English translations. I have also had a 12 post rendition of exerpts from a US Marine who studied islam. It is based on these and the historical facts of the barberous actions of muslims throughout the world, that helped me arrive at my desire to deport all muslims from the USA. I promised SandraLeeSmith I would research Dr. Jasser with an open mind and so I shall do that, hopefully this weekend.

benito44

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 Italians, Irish, hispanics have not immersed themselves in an ideology that calls for my conversion, subjugation or death. You keep implying that i am espousing this out of fear. I am a Vietnam Vet and currently do work as an armed guard and armed bodyguard. I do not FEAR muslims. I recognize based on all the evidence presented to me to date that they all represent an insidious danger to us all who are not muslim. Take a look at what has been occurring just in recent history throughout Europe, the UK and Scandinavia. Of course I realize there are muslims here that have been here for more than one generation — that does not make them any the less of a threat. I have not gone through the logistical data for the deportation suggestion, but I would imagine that once it was mandated that some would leave voluntarily and the rest may start little jihad actions which would be costly for both them and us, but in the end, I believe we would be better off returning to our Constitution and paying better attention to whom we let into this country. I would rather deal with ten illegal hispanic immigrants (other than the violent criminal elements) than one musllim.

Evermyrtle

@SandraLeeSmith @benito44 This is the “Wise On!” It will take a lot of effort to out fox her. I normally just let her stew in her own juice.