Isn't that what some eastern cultures teach? Get rid of own will and desire to transcend them?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17984635

Good point

When one is allowed to just flow with what comes, there is no expectation to where it leads. It's just like hopping on a wave and letting it carry you where it may.

Hence...'musing'.

A bit like throwing caution to the wind. But with the confidence knowing that one is a strong enough swimmer if the unexpected occurs.

Quoting: Seer777

are not any and all decisions motivational process?

Quoting: aether

In reaction the motivations cannot be seen as your own. martial arts stresses automatic pattern reactions faster than thought and stronger than emotion.

Just because I know a move does not make it mine own.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

well if you rely on your "opponents" signals yesrely on our environments signals gives a whole different set of signalsstarting withwhy was there no martial arts in our global memory called golden age?

When one is allowed to just flow with what comes, there is no expectation to where it leads. It's just like hopping on a wave and letting it carry you where it may.

Hence...'musing'.

A bit like throwing caution to the wind. But with the confidence knowing that one is a strong enough swimmer if the unexpected occurs.

:CarefulNow:

Quoting: Seer777

are not any and all decisions motivational process?

Quoting: aether

In reaction the motivations cannot be seen as your own. martial arts stresses automatic pattern reactions faster than thought and stronger than emotion.

Just because I know a move does not make it mine own.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

well if you rely on your "opponents" signals yesrely on our environments signals gives a whole different set of signalsstarting withwhy was there no martial arts in our global memory called golden age?

Quoting: aether

Look at the opposite and equal reflection of contending angels and syncretic symbols throughout the ages and match it with my previous response.

In reaction the motivations cannot be seen as your own. martial arts stresses automatic pattern reactions faster than thought and stronger than emotion.

Just because I know a move does not make it mine own.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

well if you rely on your "opponents" signals yesrely on our environments signals gives a whole different set of signalsstarting withwhy was there no martial arts in our global memory called golden age?

Quoting: aether

Look at the opposite and equal reflection of contending angels and syncretic symbols throughout the ages and match it with my previous response.

When one is allowed to just flow with what comes, there is no expectation to where it leads. It's just like hopping on a wave and letting it carry you where it may.

Hence...'musing'.

A bit like throwing caution to the wind. But with the confidence knowing that one is a strong enough swimmer if the unexpected occurs.

:CarefulNow:

Quoting: Seer777

are not any and all decisions motivational process?

Quoting: aether

In reaction the motivations cannot be seen as your own. martial arts stresses automatic pattern reactions faster than thought and stronger than emotion.

Just because I know a move does not make it mine own.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

well if you rely on your "opponents" signals yesrely on our environments signals gives a whole different set of signalsstarting withwhy was there no martial arts in our global memory called golden age?

Quoting: aether

I think one should only rely on oneself. Mastering oneself is true power. Being in desire is being a slave of desire. I didn't realize what that meant. I thought what they were telling to not have any creativity or thought or actions. But really it means not to be led by desire or anything that is not truly you. So the answer and question is 'who are you'.

In reaction the motivations cannot be seen as your own. martial arts stresses automatic pattern reactions faster than thought and stronger than emotion.

Just because I know a move does not make it mine own.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

well if you rely on your "opponents" signals yesrely on our environments signals gives a whole different set of signalsstarting withwhy was there no martial arts in our global memory called golden age?

Quoting: aether

I think one should only rely on oneself. Mastering oneself is true power. Being in desire is being a slave of desire. I didn't realize what that meant. I thought what they were telling to not have any creativity or thought or actions. But really it means not to be led by desire or anything that is not truly you. So the answer and question is 'who are you'.

Because in fact it is true. We allow those to whom we are attached to have more flexibility and leniency on what we are willing to endure through said attachment alone.

However, how one remains attachment-less does not seem a viable alternative, either.

So what is the key?

Quoting: Seer777

That is my recent Buddha influence, lol.

It is ok to be attached to things, as long as you do not feel any pain when those attachments are no longer there in your life.

It's quite simple, but is made complex.

I have never really been attached to material things. Then, I met my wife and we had all this 'stuff'. Then, in late 2007 when the economy crashed, we ended up losing pretty much everything within about a year.

It didn't really bother me, because I never really was attached to anything except my family and friends. Long, long story, lol.

But, the pain and suffering with losing everything didn't bother me, but it hit my wife very, very hard. That attachment she had was effecting me and everything around her because it was causing her pain. She felt like a 'loser', etc.

I have always been a 'loser' in that mindeset because I never really cared about being a Dr, or lawyer, or stock broker, or accountant, or any of the other 'prestigious' money making jobs my intelligence was supposed to guide me into.

In the end, she learned her lesson about attachment, which to me was beautiful, because she began to see all those things as truly unimportant.

Saptaparna ~ Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being. ~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?

Because in fact it is true. We allow those to whom we are attached to have more flexibility and leniency on what we are willing to endure through said attachment alone.

However, how one remains attachment-less does not seem a viable alternative, either.

So what is the key?

Quoting: Seer777

That is my recent Buddha influence, lol.

It is ok to be attached to things, as long as you do not feel any pain when those attachments are no longer there in your life.

It's quite simple, but is made complex.

I have never really been attached to material things. Then, I met my wife and we had all this 'stuff'. Then, in late 2007 when the economy crashed, we ended up losing pretty much everything within about a year.

It didn't really bother me, because I never really was attached to anything except my family and friends. Long, long story, lol.

But, the pain and suffering with losing everything didn't bother me, but it hit my wife very, very hard. That attachment she had was effecting me and everything around her because it was causing her pain. She felt like a 'loser', etc.

I have always been a 'loser' in that mindeset because I never really cared about being a Dr, or lawyer, or stock broker, or accountant, or any of the other 'prestigious' money making jobs my intelligence was supposed to guide me into.

In the end, she learned her lesson about attachment, which to me was beautiful, because she began to see all those things as truly unimportant.

Because in fact it is true. We allow those to whom we are attached to have more flexibility and leniency on what we are willing to endure through said attachment alone.

However, how one remains attachment-less does not seem a viable alternative, either.

So what is the key?

Quoting: Seer777

That is my recent Buddha influence, lol.

It is ok to be attached to things, as long as you do not feel any pain when those attachments are no longer there in your life.

It's quite simple, but is made complex.

I have never really been attached to material things. Then, I met my wife and we had all this 'stuff'. Then, in late 2007 when the economy crashed, we ended up losing pretty much everything within about a year.

It didn't really bother me, because I never really was attached to anything except my family and friends. Long, long story, lol.

But, the pain and suffering with losing everything didn't bother me, but it hit my wife very, very hard. That attachment she had was effecting me and everything around her because it was causing her pain. She felt like a 'loser', etc.

I have always been a 'loser' in that mindeset because I never really cared about being a Dr, or lawyer, or stock broker, or accountant, or any of the other 'prestigious' money making jobs my intelligence was supposed to guide me into.

In the end, she learned her lesson about attachment, which to me was beautiful, because she began to see all those things as truly unimportant.

Quoting: Saptaparna

As I said to Seer, life is in the relationships, not the numbers.

Now stop riling up the infirm i the nobody thread.

Quoting: Villi VonderVeener

Yeah, holy shit, did not expect that.As Aruna would put it...

* backs away slowly *

Saptaparna ~ Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being. ~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending.~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays?

It can be a symptom of ilnessWhen I worked as an IT supporter, there would sometimes be calls from not so sane people, and their reality just looks very different, and you can't really say anything to them that would comfort them, like you can with a a sane person, since they do not connect what you say.

they get so focused on their own reality, they can't break free.And the complete lack of empathy, as you said, seems to fit very well.

It can be a symptom of ilnessWhen I worked as an IT supporter, there would sometimes be calls from not so sane people, and their reality just looks very different, and you can't really say anything to them that would comfort them, like you can with a a sane person, since they do not connect what you say.

they get so focused on their own reality, they can't break free.And the complete lack of empathy, as you said, seems to fit very well.