Comments on: My imaginary Hall of Fame ballothttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/27/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-4/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:32:49 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: jrobitaille23http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/27/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-4/comment-page-1/#comment-621710
Thu, 05 Dec 2013 01:43:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-621710your post as well
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Wed, 04 Dec 2013 23:44:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-621670Piazza
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Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:38:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619495Greg Maddox was the nastiest ,ever. Period.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:06:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619262Some people amaze me. You say Jeff Kent is a HOFer but Barry Bonds isn’t because of PEDs. If it wasn’t for hitting behind Bonds, Jeff Kent would have never had those numbers. Kent is the one player that benefited from the steroid era as much as those players that supposedly used them.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:30:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619260You criticize Craig as needing to proofread and then make a typo in your next sentence. Pot meet my friend kettle, hope you all get along well.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:25:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619259If you are going to call someone an idiot, you may want to figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re” so you don’t end up being the one considered an idiot.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:13:01 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619257I’m still bitter that Robin Ventura is already off of the ballot. Also, Piazza and Bagwell should be in already.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:16:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619240Calcaterra, I have always maintained you were somewhat of an ass…Surprisingly, I never realized how BIG until now.
I believe it is now time to add another descriptive word to my opinion of you. ___hole.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:51:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619237Good call on subjectivity being an issue for Jeff Kent.

As terrific of a player as he was, he really just didn’t like baseball and made no friends in the media (and certainly had no “ultra-leader” clubhouse presence).

He’s much better than a lot of people who will get in through years, but his relationship with the people in charge of this means he’d have had to hit like Ty Cobb to get in.

I never understand to baseball hall of fame. It isn’t a true hall of fame. It’s a baseball card collection. The hall of pretty good. The hall of yeah let’s throw him in too. It’s partly because there are so many good players that this happens and no clear lines are drawn. Still I can’t help but think that if basketball was handled this way we would see players like Vernon maxwell in the hall. I think it’s absurd. It should mean something. Being in the hall doesn’t even guarantee a player a $10 price ok their autograph. Why? Because we all know it is meaningless. Just the fact that some of these guys are on the same ballot as Maddux as an example make me want to vomit. It’s asinine.

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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:33:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619193Clemens and Bonds both deserve to be in the HOF, but it is nice that their arrogance is being shot right back at them!!!! Now they are begging for the crumbs. Great players, but no social skills…

You don’t need a ballot if you want to vote them without them spending sometime in purgatory…

Make them wait for a good while…

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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:32:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619192Clemens and Bonds both deserve to be in the HOF, but it is nice that their arrogance is being shot right back at them!!!! Now they begging for the crumbs. Great players, but no social skills…

You don’t need a ballot if you want to vote them without them spending sometime in purgatory…

Make them wait for a good while…

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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:31:03 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619191Clemens and Bonds both deserve to be in the HOF, but it is nice that their arrogance is being shot right back at them!!!! Great players, but no social skills…
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:42:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619173As long as one of those ballots doesn’t make it’s way to Craig.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:38:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619172Well, if you voted for Clements and Ginormous Head Bonds, then let’s be happy you DON’T have a ballot vote.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 03:28:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619152I use a fairly straightforward method to judge HOF candidacies. Two factors are important to most voters- peak and longevity. For peak, I look at the fifth best WAR of a player’s career, and for longevity I use the tenth best WAR. Occasionally I’ll use the 8th or 9th best WAR for longevity if a career was shortened by injury or if I think some other circumstance merits it. I usually feel like a peak (fifth best) WAR should be at or above 4.5, while the longevity (tenth best) WAR should be at least close to 3. A player that meets both thresholds is an HOFer.
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 03:16:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619151As usual Craig, your an idiot. The great part about it is that now matter how much you support the drug users, guess what? They are never getting in .HA HA
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 03:13:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619150It just send a bad message that you can cheat and still make the Hall of Fame when too many of today’s players are still cheating. It’s a terrible precedent. It’s bad enough they can still sign contracts for 13.25 million a year after getting suspended for 50 games for PEDs. At the very least, this is something you can withhold from PED users.

I know it’s nothing more then suspicion for some, but at the very least, it is a definite no for those players that admitted to using.

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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:59:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619147Maddux
Glavine
Thomas
Biggio
Piazza
Raines
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Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:40:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619126You mad, bro?
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:34:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619086Ummm…..that’s 20 “dudes” unless you’re saying one of them isn’t a dude. I assume you did not mean to have Durham in BOLD.
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:59:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619070Trammel was so not exceptional you can exclude him twice!
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:28:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619044Trammel and Whitaker should both be in. I don’t get it. When they were playing they were talked about as HOF duo but then were forgotten right after retirement.
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:56:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619026Puckett played plus defense at a much more important position, and he still really didn’t deserve to get in.
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:23:03 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619009“My imaginary Hall of Fame ballot” includes Bonds and Clemens.

Methinks you are an “imaginary Journalist”.

You just can’t be serious, IMHO. There would be so many (allegedly) ‘clean’ choices to make, if you were allowed to vote.

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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:19:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619008the rules of fair play. why do people justify this behavior. This is cheating. Taking PEDs enhances your physicality either through muscle gain or healing quicker. It’s a simple fact that those who take PED along with working out, gain muscle mass, stay healthier, have quicker bat speed, and can throw the ball harder. Why is this so hard for people to believe? You are taking the ability you are born with an have optimized through natural means, and amplifying it. You’ve seen the results of it with Bonds’ numbers, Clemens’ longevity and Cy Youngs, etc.

It isn’t an even playing field. And saying it was because everyone was doing it is irrelevant. I will use Robin Yount as an example. That guy is a HOF. To my ‘trained’ eyes he did not use PED. Him being a natural player and his numbers as a result back that up. Paul Molitor on the other hand, up through his age 30 season was a above average player and his natural body and the numbers he produced backed it up. But in the mid 80s (right when I believe many top players i.e. Canseco, Mgwire, Ricky, Bell, etc started using) he transformed. He suddenly looked jacked and his numbers from age 30 on are among the best I think you’ll find outside of the truly elite all time greats. Do you remember seeing him as he was approaching his mid to late 30s?

He along with most of the more modern PED suspects really screwed up everything for the HOF. Because without PEDs Molitor would not have been that good for as long and his numbers wouldn’t justify his election.

But people really see this issue black and white so I know I just wasted 5 minutes for nothing. Unless one of these PED users comes out and quantifies it by saying “I gained 5 mph on my fastball after I began taking…or I started turning doubles into homers and was able to wait on pitches longer because my swing speed increased…nobody will change their mind. Too many people like you laughed at Jose Canseco and his claims only to find he was actually being truthful. Truth hurts especially when it’s about your idols.

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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:17:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619006Mussina = Morris = Bert Blyleven: never a moment in their career when any of them would have been picked among the top five starting pitchers. Just not exceptional enough; it’s not the Hall of Very Good for a long, long time, it’s for the truly great, dominant, exceptional few. That’s what separates the Baseball hall from football and basketball. With a few notable popularity skewed exceptions, you have to be truly great to get in.
Same criteria excludes Martinez, McGriff, Trammel, Kent, Palmeiro, and Trammel.
I’ll assume Durham’s name being bolded was simply an error, even Calcaterra couldn’t twist numbers and illogical close-minded passion into an argument for his inclusion.
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:01:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-619001ummm…clearly not even remotely in the same ballpark. When you are a personal trainer, as I have been, worked out for over 30 years, and know people on and off the juice, you get to see the differences. So great analogy tool. You need a beating for being a creep but alas, you sit tucked safely away in your mom’s basement
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:49:09 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-618995Hold your entries, folks. The worst post of the day has been identified. No sense waiting around for somebody to post anything dumber than this.
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Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:30:40 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=505073#comment-618981Not maybe. I read columns by voters last year who actually said that they felt first that it was too likely that Bagwell did PEDs to vote for him since he was a body builder who hit home runs and was a team mate of Ken Caminiti’s. Then in the same columns the person also stating they would not vote for Biggio because he was a team mate of Bagwell and Caminiti. Pure guilt by association.
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