Of all the rumors flying around on the internet, one just refuses to die, and it concerns America's FEMA camps.

In a nutshell, there seems to be a solicitation of bids occurring for the staffing of FEMA camps within 72 hours of implementation by an order from either Homeland Security or the president. This situation begs to be investigated, with special consideration paid to the motives of the present administration.

I went to the source, the FedBizOpps.gov, and searched for the solicitation number HSFEHQ-10-R-0027, titled National Responder Support Camp. >>>

The size of these camps will vary around 5 acres per 1,000 inhabitants, though they will never be less than 3 acres for populations of 500 or fewer inhabitants within the camps' boundaries.

This requirement also had a minimum square footage for each inhabitant: either the camp's cadre and first responders of 63 square feet, or approximately 8 feet on each side. This is slightly less than current Federal Court(s) requirements for housing prisoners, which is approximately 72 square feet. Perimeter fencing or barricades is required to be six feet high, enclosing the camp, with all traffic in or out to be recorded on a daily log and with security restricting all traffic and access. The contractor shall also provide fencing and barricades around areas which are "off limits" to occupants. ID Badges are required and are either blue or red, depending on the carrier is temporary or considered an occupant of the camp. >>>

As citizens, we need to know the exact purpose of these camps, given President Obama's propensity to bend our constitutional republic to his own purposes!

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Considering world history, it is wise to keep an eye out on these kind of preparations just as a matter of course. People who do not study History are doomed to repeat it.

Rockntractor

01-03-2012, 09:20 PM

They were talking about this on Quinn and Rose this morning, Quinn said he would start researching it.

Using his threat of vetoing the controversial National Defense Authorization Act, known as the NDAA, President Obama demanded that indefinite detainment include American citizens, sources say. >>>

Later in the press release, Obama states that he has no intention of indefinitely detaining American citizens.
There’s only one problem with Obama’s press release—according to major sources, Obama himself allegedly demanded that indefinite detention of American citizens be added to this bill In fact, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee and co-sponsor of the NDAA, Carl Levin, stood on the floor of the Senate and made that very claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNDHbT44cY

"According to Senator Levin, it was Obama who required the powers to be able to detain anybody for no reason, including US citizens. The original bill was focused on enemies of America, terrorists specifically. Levin said there was language in the bill to exempt US citizens but Obama asked for that language to be removed. Lindsey Graham has said the same thing, according to the Congressional Record." Lindsey Graham said, "Why did we take out the language Senator Levin wanted me to put in about an American citizen could not be held indefinitely if caught in the homeland? The administration asked us to do that."

The NDAA's Historic Assault on American Liberty (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/02/ndaa-historic-assault-american-liberty)
Business insider: The IRS & DOJ Are Grabbing New Powers in the Hunt for Revenue (http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-24/home/30553800_1_swiss-banks-john-doe-slippery-slope)
ACLU, Others Slam Obama for Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provisions (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02/aclu-others-slam-obama-for-signing-defense-bill-that-includes-detainee/)
(FOX News)

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0bama signed this thing, the new Defense Authorization Act on New Year's Eve. So four days ago this was signed. Of course it's a weekend, and not a whole lot of this is being reported, certainly not being discussed. And you know what this thing does? It allows the United States military to detain anybody for no reason. They don't even have to charge you. This is specified. This is not the Patriot Act. This is way beyond. This is total authoritarianism. This is the kind of stuff that exists in Third World banana republics.

Rockntractor

01-03-2012, 09:30 PM

The bastard cannot win reelection.

Novaheart

01-03-2012, 10:37 PM

http://usahitman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/black_helicopters.jpg

Tecate

01-04-2012, 02:32 AM

There was a story about 4-5 years ago in the WSJ about bids for building three 1 million man camps, but you were a kook if you talked about it.

Then sometime in 2009 the government was looking for 100,000+ "internment and resettlement specialists" (whatever the hell that is) which is a story that I forgot about until NDAA came up. Again, you were a kook if you talked about it.

Tipsycatlover

01-04-2012, 10:58 AM

There was a story about 4-5 years ago in the WSJ about bids for building three 1 million man camps, but you were a kook if you talked about it.

Then sometime in 2009 the government was looking for 100,000+ "internment and resettlement specialists" (whatever the hell that is) which is a story that I forgot about until NDAA came up. Again, you were a kook if you talked about it.

Not that you mention it, I do remember them looking for internment and resettlement specialists! I forgot about it.

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 11:00 AM

There was a story about 4-5 years ago in the WSJ about bids for building three 1 million man camps, but you were a kook if you talked about it.

Then sometime in 2009 the government was looking for 100,000+ "internment and resettlement specialists" (whatever the hell that is) which is a story that I forgot about until NDAA came up. Again, you were a kook if you talked about it.

This was posted in the American Thinker, hardy a conspiracy advocate.
We will still have a handful of self proclaimed conservatives lining up telling us we can't even discuss an article without the need for tinfoil hats.

Adam Wood

01-04-2012, 12:53 PM

This was posted in the American Thinker, hardy a conspiracy advocate.
We will still have a handful of self proclaimed conservatives lining up telling us we can't even discuss an article without the need for tinfoil hats.Well, given how many times this tired old recycled story has been trotted out and then fallen flat on its face due to a lack of actual facts, it's pretty reasonable for sane people to point and laugh a great deal at those who try to once again trot out the same old debunked shit.

No, there are no camps. No, they're not building camps. No, FEMA is not going to take over the government and declare emergency dictatorship or whatever, nor are they capable of doing anything remotely like that. These are the same people who were incapable of getting a pickup truck with bottled water in the back to New Orleans after Katrina; they sure as fuck don't have the ability to somehow take over the government and use the military to oppress 300 million people all at once.

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 01:33 PM

Well, given how many times this tired old recycled story has been trotted out and then fallen flat on its face due to a lack of actual facts, it's pretty reasonable for sane people to point and laugh a great deal at those who try to once again trot out the same old debunked shit.

No, there are no camps. No, they're not building camps. No, FEMA is not going to take over the government and declare emergency dictatorship or whatever, nor are they capable of doing anything remotely like that. These are the same people who were incapable of getting a pickup truck with bottled water in the back to New Orleans after Katrina; they sure as fuck don't have the ability to somehow take over the government and use the military to oppress 300 million people all at once.

On cue!:D

Adam Wood

01-04-2012, 01:35 PM

On cue!:D

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"FEMA, Mr. Mulder! FEMA!"

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 01:46 PM

http://i42.tinypic.com/2qkjtee.jpg

"FEMA, Mr. Mulder! FEMA!"

I wondered what you would move on to after the birth certificate was dropped, Obama be praised!

Molon Labe

01-04-2012, 03:56 PM

They were talking about this on Quinn and Rose this morning, Quinn said he would start researching it.

hate to break it to people but NDAA was bipartisan idiot effort and started by our "buddy" McCain.

It has it's roots in the Patriot act too.

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 03:57 PM

hate to break it to people but NDAA was bipartisan idiot effort and started by our "buddy" McCain.

It has it's roots in the Patriot act too.

Yes it does and that doesn't make it any better.
Adam says it doesn't exist though and has proven it by his line by line refutation of the article.

Adam Wood

01-04-2012, 04:01 PM

I wondered what you would move on to after the birth certificate was dropped, Obama be praised!I'm always up for a good laugh. I was really amused last time The Camps™ came up and I discovered that not only was the Pennington Bend State Penitentiary here in west Nashville actually a FEMA camp, but also Camp Boxwell (http://www.virtualboxwell.org/vbm/camplife.htm) that I attended as a Boy Scout was also a hidden FEMA camp, what with all of its "military-style housing" (meaning the places where we put up our tents over the summer) and the "military training facilities" (the ropes course and zip line).

And I also really loved the part about how the Amtrak repair facility outside of Indianapolis is actually just a modern American version of Auswitz. Somewhere, hidden in the chain link fence, someone has secretly woven "Arbeit macht frei" into the chain links. Of course, only those who know about The Camps™ can actually see this, because they have figured out FEMA's dastardly secrets....

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 04:07 PM

I'm always up for a good laugh. I was really amused last time The Camps™ came up and I discovered that not only was the Pennington Bend State Penitentiary here in west Nashville actually a FEMA camp, but also Camp Boxwell (http://www.virtualboxwell.org/vbm/camplife.htm) that I attended as a Boy Scout was also a hidden FEMA camp, what with all of its "military-style housing" (meaning the places where we put up our tents over the summer) and the "military training facilities" (the ropes course and zip line).

And I also really loved the part about how the Amtrak repair facility outside of Indianapolis is actually just a modern American version of Auswitz. Somewhere, hidden in the chain link fence, someone has secretly woven "Arbeit macht frei" into the chain links. Of course, only those who know about The Camps™ can actually see this, because they have figured out FEMA's dastardly secrets....

None of that is in the article, have someone read it to you.

noonwitch

01-04-2012, 04:21 PM

I'm always up for a good laugh. I was really amused last time The Camps™ came up and I discovered that not only was the Pennington Bend State Penitentiary here in west Nashville actually a FEMA camp, but also Camp Boxwell (http://www.virtualboxwell.org/vbm/camplife.htm) that I attended as a Boy Scout was also a hidden FEMA camp, what with all of its "military-style housing" (meaning the places where we put up our tents over the summer) and the "military training facilities" (the ropes course and zip line).

And I also really loved the part about how the Amtrak repair facility outside of Indianapolis is actually just a modern American version of Auswitz. Somewhere, hidden in the chain link fence, someone has secretly woven "Arbeit macht frei" into the chain links. Of course, only those who know about The Camps™ can actually see this, because they have figured out FEMA's dastardly secrets....

I know! Did you ever see "Tommy"? They are Bernie's Holiday Camps!

Adam Wood

01-04-2012, 06:09 PM

None of that is in the article, have someone read it to you.I read the article. It's a bucket of shit. It's filled with ludicrous allegations that make no sense whatsoever based upon the "evidence" that they present (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=f0009a85b39f7aad2b27a9b2b5bcd6b6&tab=core&_cview=1). Read it yourself, rather than trusting this moonbat Halbert's "interpretation."

Hint: this is about providing staging areas in order to get help to people in a disaster. It's not about keeping people in a prison camp.

Among the dastardly conditions to which FEMA is going to subject these terrible people who come to bring water to people when Hurricane Motherfucker blows their house away: TV—there is no set number or size, but there must be enough so that personnel can comfortably watch TV. Internet access—Can be wired or wireless—though wireless can service more users, the signal must be strong enough to keep a good connection. Cell phone charging stations. Numerous magazines and newspapers.
Here's a hint: if you're going to secretly inter scads of Americans in secret FEMA camps, then you aren't going to give them access to televisions, internet, cell phone service, and things like magazines and newspapers.

The breathless howling from this fruitcake does make for terrific theater, though.

The first of several anomalies in the solicitation for bid was in the contractor staffing requirements, which puzzlingly required staff to be fully operational within 72 hours. Furthermore, "[w]henever practical, displaced citizens will be given the first opportunities for employment within the camp, assuming skills and capabilities are pertinent for the open positions."Yeah, there's a wild and crazy idea: let the guy who actually know the area and just had his job literally blow away maybe be the guy who does some of this delivering of water and maybe let the guy pick up something of a paycheck while he's at it. Yeah, I know: the fucking fascists! How dare they!

This led me to question the stated purpose of these camps, considering that the successful contractor would need to have personnel ready to go on such short notice, with notification from FEMA, Homeland Security, or the president within 72 hours. So the question arises: how could the camp utilize "displaced citizens" in the initial staffing unless the contractor knew where and when a disaster, man-made or otherwise would occur beforehand?

:eek:

Dun! DUN! DUN!

There it is! Proof of the existence of the VRWC earthquake machine! FEMA is going to go out and make disasters just so that they can inter some prisoners somewhere. Personally, I say they should start with Ohio, but that's just me.

Good Lord. Moonbattery run amok. Pardon me while I return to sitting over here and pointing and laughing directly at the people who buy into this nuttery.

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Wei Wu Wei

01-04-2012, 06:20 PM

I don't know much about these camps. Generally speaking I hear about it from conspiracy people and that's sort of what it sounds like. However, this nation has used internment camps in the past and has put people in prison during wartime for what they were saying (free speech). That is our recent (last century) history.

I do know we should be concerned about this NDAA law. Someone pointed out in another thread where I was discussing terrorism statistics that "terrorism" and "terrorist" are loosely defined words that the government can and does change to suit their purposes. We should not forget this when an ill-defined "war on terror" is the justification for these actions and the duration of time that a citizen can be detained without trial or charge. Terrifying that people are letting this pass without showing some more outrage.

Honestly the only people on the streets at the moment who are even talking about this are the Occupy protesters. You may not agree with them on everything (and some of them are fools) but if you pay attention you will find truth in there.

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 06:46 PM

I read the article. It's a bucket of shit. It's filled with ludicrous allegations that make no sense whatsoever based upon the "evidence" that they present (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=f0009a85b39f7aad2b27a9b2b5bcd6b6&tab=core&_cview=1). Read it yourself, rather than trusting this moonbat Halbert's "interpretation."

Hint: this is about providing staging areas in order to get help to people in a disaster. It's not about keeping people in a prison camp.

Among the dastardly conditions to which FEMA is going to subject these terrible people who come to bring water to people when Hurricane Motherfucker blows their house away: TV—there is no set number or size, but there must be enough so that personnel can comfortably watch TV. Internet access—Can be wired or wireless—though wireless can service more users, the signal must be strong enough to keep a good connection. Cell phone charging stations. Numerous magazines and newspapers.
Here's a hint: if you're going to secretly inter scads of Americans in secret FEMA camps, then you aren't going to give them access to televisions, internet, cell phone service, and things like magazines and newspapers.

The breathless howling from this fruitcake does make for terrific theater, though.

Yeah, there's a wild and crazy idea: let the guy who actually know the area and just had his job literally blow away maybe be the guy who does some of this delivering of water and maybe let the guy pick up something of a paycheck while he's at it. Yeah, I know: the fucking fascists! How dare they!

:eek:

Dun! DUN! DUN!

There it is! Proof of the existence of the VRWC earthquake machine! FEMA is going to go out and make disasters just so that they can inter some prisoners somewhere. Personally, I say they should start with Ohio, but that's just me.

Good Lord. Moonbattery run amok. Pardon me while I return to sitting over here and pointing and laughing directly at the people who buy into this nuttery.

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You didn't answer the article with any proof other than your own ranting and opinion, but what else is new.
As for me I will wait for more actual research and evidence, it is to early to make up my mind but credible people are starting to ask questions. American thinker isn't Coast to Coast AM or Alex Jones and the fact that you so vehemently object tells me something may be going on.

Thanks for the entertainment Woody, don't be such a stranger!
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Adam Wood

01-04-2012, 07:16 PM

You didn't answer the article with any proof other than your own ranting and opinion, but what else is new.It helps if you actually click the links.

As for me I will wait for more actual research and evidence, it is to early to make up my mind but credible people are starting to ask questions.When people like this author just make shit up, and then ask questions about the shit that they just made up, then that is no longer defined as a "credible person."

American thinker isn't Coast to Coast AM or Alex Jones and the fact that you so vehemently object tells me something may be going on.Wow! Who knew I had so much power? Simply because I deal in fact and reality instead of some fantasized rubric about how they're coming to build The Camps™, that somehow means that the fantasy is true. I never knew I could just grant such wishes.

Wei Wu Wei

01-04-2012, 07:27 PM

I could see large scale camps being used to house people when the next financial collapse occurs, when unemployment is even higher and the foreclosure rate continues. They could be like institutionalized hoovervilles, to keep the "unproductive hordes" away from the enclaves of privilege.

It could become an informal de-facto system of apartheid where people with almost no rights, no political power, no voice, and no social standing are kept in isolation, fully excluded from a society that they already cannot participate in. We see trends like this in places such as Brazil and Chile. It's not that far-fetched.

It would of course be done in the name of welfare or humanitarianism, helping people by giving them a place to sleep and food to eat but of course it would also serve to keep them excluded from the society that failed them.

or maybe not who knows

Rockntractor

01-04-2012, 07:49 PM

Wow! Who knew I had so much power? Simply because I deal in fact and reality instead of some fantasized rubric about how they're coming to build The Camps™, that somehow means that the fantasy is true. I never knew I could just grant such wishes.

I couldn't possibly have inflated your ego anymore than it already was.:eek::D

AmPat

01-05-2012, 02:04 PM

http://usahitman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/black_helicopters.jpg

Brought to you by the very Socialists in the DIMoRAT party who were completely disinterested in vetting this Marxist turd. The very liberals that foisted this dictator wannabe on our formerly free society. The very entitlement minded liberals who give away massive amounts of other people's money to worthless and unconstitutional programs. Brought to you in REALITY by the very people who FALSELY accused Conservatives of this very activity.:mad:

Keep your powder dry friends.:cool:

AmPat

01-05-2012, 02:07 PM

I could see large scale camps being used to house people when the next financial collapse occurs, when unemployment is even higher and the foreclosure rate continues. They could be like institutionalized hoovervilles, to keep the "unproductive hordes" away from the enclaves of privilege.

It could become an informal de-facto system of apartheid where people with almost no rights, no political power, no voice, and no social standing are kept in isolation, fully excluded from a society that they already cannot participate in. We see trends like this in places such as Brazil and Chile. It's not that far-fetched.

It would of course be done in the name of welfare or humanitarianism, helping people by giving them a place to sleep and food to eat but of course it would also serve to keep them excluded from the society that failed them.

or maybe not who knows
A prison built on humanitarian ideals is still a prison.

JB

01-05-2012, 07:01 PM

Wow! Who knew I had so much power? Simply because I deal in fact and reality instead of some fantasized rubric about how they're coming to build The Camps™, that somehow means that the fantasy is true. I never knew I could just grant such wishes.WTF. Are they building The Camps or not??? Shit.

I want The Camps. I want them now. I figure the only Camp members will be hippies and other Dem dirtbags. When they knock on my door, I flash my VRWC card and they pass on by. Shit works like lamb's blood.

And I have a paid in advance lifetime membership. That means that I receive a weekly delivery of food, beverage and ammunition (from a menu no less) while whatever catastrophe is taking place. Build Dem Camps now!!!

AmPat

01-05-2012, 07:31 PM

WTF. Are they building The Camps or not??? Shit.

I want The Camps. I want them now. I figure the only Camp members will be hippies and other Dem dirtbags. When they knock on my door, I flash my VRWC card and they pass on by. Shit works like lamb's blood.

And I have a paid in advance lifetime membership. That means that I receive a weekly delivery of food, beverage and ammunition (from a menu no less) while whatever catastrophe is taking place. Build Dem Camps now!!!

Dem walls is being manned by Dem DIMS.

Wei Wu Wei

01-05-2012, 08:03 PM

A prison built on humanitarian ideals is still a prison.

Amen

Tecate

01-16-2012, 08:23 AM

Adam, I know this has always been one of your favorite subjects so I found this pic just for you... :D

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Loveways/campfema_dees.jpg

Tecate

01-16-2012, 08:33 AM

I'm kind of disappointed that there isn't more discussion about NDAA and SOPA on this forum.

Unfortunately, the FEMA camp part pretty much derailed the rest of it, but NDAA is very real and super-creepy by just about anyones' standards. The lies and deception that swirled around Obama actually singing it makes it even worse.

Rockntractor

01-16-2012, 10:54 AM

I'm kind of disappointed that there isn't more discussion about NDAA and SOPA on this forum.

Unfortunately, the FEMA camp part pretty much derailed the rest of it, but NDAA is very real and super-creepy by just about anyones' standards. The lies and deception that swirled around Obama actually singing it makes it even worse.

Now you've done it!:eek:
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He's on his way.:DDsmilie_panic:

Elspeth

01-19-2012, 02:54 PM

NDAA covered on the "edges" of the media.

On the left, Current TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fROI6H9dm88

On the right, George Noory: (Coast to Coast): http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/01/18

Just watched Current TV's spot with Jonathan Turley, GW law prof, who makes it clear that Obama now has unchecked powers that go entirely counter to the goals of the Founding Fathers.

I heard Noory's show last night and there was a good discussion, even with Alex Jones showing up. David Seaman was particularly interesting discussing how he used email and his well-known blog to spread the word but didn't get a single bite from the mainstream media.

In a special program, George Noory was joined by Linda Moulton Howe to interview four guests, who appeared in individual half-hour segments, about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2012, which contains controversial provisions such as the holding of suspects without due process or habeas corpus. Jonathan Emord, who practices constitutional and administrative law, believes the NDAA is unconstitutional in that it allows the military to incarcerate individuals indefinitely, without charges or a trial. When this kind of thing happens in secrecy, without judicial check, it's the end of liberty, he commented. Linda noted that the language in the Act doesn't specify whether US citizens might be held under this kind of military authority with their rights suspended.

Independent journalist David Seaman reported that people across the political spectrum who hear about the NDAA are opposed to it, but because of the lack of the mainstream press coverage most Americans remain unaware of it. At this juncture, Congress has no reason to pass this kind of indefinite detention statute, and it raises the question that some hidden motivation is in play, said Linda. Seaman conjectured that the NDAA may eventually be used against Occupy protestors.

Producer Tyrel Ventura, the son of Jesse Ventura, suggested that the NDAA isn't really about fighting terrorism but rather it's to control the populace, in the event of rebellion, possibly related to food or water shortages, or other crises. We live in a corporate dictatorship, and many of these companies have connections to the Defense Dept. and it's in their interests to have a lockdown society, he added. Trends analyst Gerald Celente declared that fascism has come to the US. He believes the NDAA has been put into place because there's going to be "economic martial law," and "bank holidays" which will cause rioting in the streets.

Appearing during the last hour, radio host/filmmaker Alex Jones sounded off on the topic, and related issues. "This is a big wake-up call, and they've been training the military for a long time to arrest citizens and take people to facilities," he said, adding that measures like the NDAA are part of a larger program. For instance, the TSA is now operating checkpoints on highways, and at bus & train stations, and "this is really the seizure by the federal government, and the special interests that have hijacked it, of our entire infrastructure," he said. Jones advised people to stand up against these policies-- "like a bucking bronco, all we've got to do is throw the New World Order off our back."

Teetop

02-05-2012, 09:33 AM

I remember the DUmmies riled up when BusHitler was in office. Right after Katrina hit. They had a thread with maps of camps, one was near me. So, I drove a few (35) miles to check it out. I was the municipal dump for Bovina, Texas....

:eek:

SarasotaRepub

02-05-2012, 02:04 PM

I remember the DUmmies riled up when BusHitler was in office. Right after Katrina hit. They had a thread with maps of camps, one was near me. So, I drove a few (35) miles to check it out. I was the municipal dump for Bovina, Texas....

:eek:

HA!!! That's what you were supposed to think!!!! :D

AmPat

02-05-2012, 04:45 PM

I remember the DUmmies riled up when BusHitler was in office. Right after Katrina hit. They had a thread with maps of camps, one was near me. So, I drove a few (35) miles to check it out. I was the municipal dump for Bovina, Texas....

:eek:

DUmps are home to DUmmies. Just look at the OWS turds. They like creating and living in squalor and filth.

AmPat

02-05-2012, 04:49 PM

Wow, you might be the only person who actually tuned in to Current TV that day.