Toronto's a funny city. So many come off as liberals, yet their last 2 mayors were conservatives. And they elected Rob Ford, I mean I can not think of a large city electing a clown like him ... but they did. Maybe London was close with Boris Johnson, but I don't think Johnson was hanging out with crack dealers.

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

except when they drive drunk once as a teen.

There is no excuse in 2018 for driving drunk. If you can not see that getting behind the wheel of a 2000 lb + vehicle drunk, then you kill somewhere should not have stiffer sentences.

Driving drunk is not vandalism. You can alter so many lives. But you likely care more for criminals and root on politicians who are soft on crime. Have a nice day...

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

except when they drive drunk once as a teen.

Haha, oh snap.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

except when they drive drunk once as a teen.

There is no excuse in 2018 for driving drunk. If you can not see that getting behind the wheel of a 2000 lb + vehicle drunk, then you kill somewhere should not have stiffer sentences.

Driving drunk is not vandalism. You can alter so many lives. But you likely care more for criminals and root on politicians who are soft on crime. Have a nice day...

Yeah, and Beto didn't do it in 2018, lol, and being a neo-Nazi involves just a bit more than being a vandal. You can't really talk yourself out of the contradiction you created. And it wasn't even a good try.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

I think... Hmm. I think it doesn't bother me that he's having to pay for his sins... and I also think it's really stupid to deport someone who now works for the greater good and has a family here and doesn't appear to be any kind of risk. I don't like how black and white the deportation process can sometimes be here.

Unless there is something we are not being told, seems like the kind of person we should want. People do change.

except when they drive drunk once as a teen.

There is no excuse in 2018 for driving drunk. If you can not see that getting behind the wheel of a 2000 lb + vehicle drunk, then you kill somewhere should not have stiffer sentences.

Driving drunk is not vandalism. You can alter so many lives. But you likely care more for criminals and root on politicians who are soft on crime. Have a nice day...

it wasn't 2018. yes, stiffer sentences for drunk drivers are absolutely something I stand behind. I do not care more for criminals and root on politicians who are soft on crime. literally no one does that. it's a right wing talking point based in zero reality. I am for stiffer sentences, but for people to be treated humanely once behind bars. that is not "soft on crime" or 'caring for criminals". it is wanting to be a better species.

you said you have no use for Beto because he was convicted of driving while intoxicated, admitting his crime, paying his debt to society, and owning his mistakes in public, yet you think a "former" neo nazi is someone who canada should want to have in their country because "people change".

Hope this doesn't offend those soft on criminals and tried to make excuses for the lame justice system...but the evil bitch is back into prison, thanks to the victim father and to all of us who spoke up about the bullshit. By the way, the bitch is not first nation ... her own brother confirmed she is not.

Hope this doesn't offend those soft on criminals and tried to make excuses for the lame justice system...but the evil bitch is back into prison, thanks to the victim father and to all of us who spoke up about the bullshit. By the way, the bitch is not first nation ... her own brother confirmed she is not.

Did you just take partial credit for this?

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

This is what's commonly referred to as 'tucking your tail between your legs'. This sort of thing happens when you don't act responsibly and get called out for it... stubbornly resist a bit... and then realize your an idiot.

Hope this doesn't offend those soft on criminals and tried to make excuses for the lame justice system...but the evil bitch is back into prison, thanks to the victim father and to all of us who spoke up about the bullshit. By the way, the bitch is not first nation ... her own brother confirmed she is not.

This is what's commonly referred to as 'tucking your tail between your legs'. This sort of thing happens when you don't act responsibly and get called out for it... stubbornly resist a bit... and then realize your an idiot.

So you're opposed to government fixing mistakes or changing decisions to align with what the citizens want?

I never understood this kind of reaction to these kinds of things. It makes no sense. This is the government doing its job. We should only hope that it does it more often. Yes, ideally you want everything it does to go the way you like the first time... But that's not realistic. Most of the time, government won't budge after decisions are made. When they do because of public outcry, we should be glad, not mad (and btw, this does not count for when governments create their own humanitarian crisis and then take credit for ending the crisis, lol... before some yahoo throws the kids in cages incident at me or something ).

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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

This is what's commonly referred to as 'tucking your tail between your legs'. This sort of thing happens when you don't act responsibly and get called out for it... stubbornly resist a bit... and then realize your an idiot.

So you're opposed to government fixing mistakes or changing decisions to align with what the citizens want?

I never understood this kind of reaction to these kinds of things. It makes no sense. This is the government doing its job. We should only hope that it does it more often. Yes, ideally you want everything it does to go the way you like the first time... But that's not realistic. Most of the time, government won't budge after decisions are made. When they do because of public outcry, we should be glad, not mad (and btw, this does not count for when governments create their own humanitarian crisis and then take credit for ending the crisis, lol... before some yahoo throws the kids in cages incident at me or something ).

No. I'm glad they did the right thing.

But they only did because of pressure placed upon them. They figured everything was cool. They are who they are. I'm out on this Liberal government.

This is what's commonly referred to as 'tucking your tail between your legs'. This sort of thing happens when you don't act responsibly and get called out for it... stubbornly resist a bit... and then realize your an idiot.

So you're opposed to government fixing mistakes or changing decisions to align with what the citizens want?

I never understood this kind of reaction to these kinds of things. It makes no sense. This is the government doing its job. We should only hope that it does it more often. Yes, ideally you want everything it does to go the way you like the first time... But that's not realistic. Most of the time, government won't budge after decisions are made. When they do because of public outcry, we should be glad, not mad (and btw, this does not count for when governments create their own humanitarian crisis and then take credit for ending the crisis, lol... before some yahoo throws the kids in cages incident at me or something ).

No. I'm glad they did the right thing.

But they only did because of pressure placed upon them. They figured everything was cool. They are who they are. I'm out on this Liberal government.

Again, I think that is them doing their job. They are answering to what the people want even though they saw it differently. And to be fair, this wasn't some kind of evil action on their part. I think we all have to admit that, whether we agree with their views on it or not (either specifically or in general), their views in this case at least came out of good intentions with real reasons behind them, not bad intentions with no rhyme or reason. It could be fucking worse.

For me, there are some things I very much dislike with this government, and others things I like very very much.... They certainly did come through on literally every issue that made me vote for them in the first place, so obviously I can't feel too down on them, despite some of the shit that I've not liked (helps that I predicted pretty much all of that stuff I don't like when I voted for them. I chose to take the bad with the good on that vote, which is probably as good as it can get anyhow, since no party matches all of my views completely... not even close). I am 99% certain I'll vote for them again. None of the other parties are doing it for me at all right now. I wish Jack Layton had never died.

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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

In short, in 2011 a weirdo abducts a toddler boy and eventually returns him four days later (unharmed). He's now been released and is moving to Vancouver. The Correctional Services have assessed him as a high risk for violent and sexual for re-offending.

They're contradicting their actions which are occurring at the same time.

What do you mean they're contradicting their actions? How so?

From your article:

A civil liberties group is calling out the federal government for a perceived double standard, questioning how it can appeal a ruling against solitary confinement while at the same time saying it is trying to end the controversial practice.

They're contradicting their actions which are occurring at the same time.

What do you mean they're contradicting their actions? How so?

From your article:

A civil liberties group is calling out the federal government for a perceived double standard, questioning how it can appeal a ruling against solitary confinement while at the same time saying it is trying to end the controversial practice.

I was being tongue in cheek a little bit - sorry. It was an arguably bitchy way to start a conversation about solitary confinement, and it went over like a bag of bricks. FWIW, the appeal is clearly being done because the feds want to control the issue and take the credit. Once they've done that on a federal level, provinces will be free to enact it on the provincial level, using the federal legislation as their framework. In other words, they want to go top down with it. Yes, it's scummy (with possibly legit legal considerations too), but it's not a double standard.

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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata