Please exclude the DB...The only chance for Nostarius to stay alive or prevail is if the DB goes to a new sole provider.Preferably one hosted in Russia or Switzerland.If everyone gets there hands on the DB, we will have a hundred new vanilla servers, all trying to be number 1.Essentially killing Nostarius with players separated.

Yea.. because players all know which websites have a dedicated staff that know what they're doing... You realize a lot of programming goes into this? No way will I waste my time on a server, only for it to by run by rookies.

ENDIES wrote:HiI would recommend you only release the Mangos repack/core.

Please exclude the DB...The only chance for Nostarius to stay alive or prevail is if the DB goes to a new sole provider.Preferably one hosted in Russia or Switzerland.If everyone gets there hands on the DB, we will have a hundred new vanilla servers, all trying to be number 1.Essentially killing Nostarius with players separated.

From what I've understood, that's exactly what they're planning to do. Release the source to everyone, but give the database to the sole, most worthy, successor, with servers opening in either Finland or Russia.

There's no point in releasing the core source code without the database and scripts. That essentially is the game. The core is just some modified version of MaNGOS most likely, and there are already plenty of versions of that available for the choosing.

If the developers truly stand behind their statement to the effect that they want to see this project they put so much time and love into continue beyond them then the only option is to release it all, otherwise Nostalrius will truly be dead.

Throttling the DB and scripts (or keeping them secret) only serves to hold back further development, and will most likely result in the eventual loss of that data forever. Or, worse yet, the manipulation, control, and profiteering of that data.

We've already seen the damage that is caused when only one entity controls the dissemination of information. If Blizzard hadn't been so tight-fisted with their Intellectual Property, Nostalrius would still be going strong. Their overbearing "ownership" of a product they don't even provide anymore is what has led to this moment.

Will there be a bunch of half-assed, poorly developed and maintained servers that sprout up using the data provided? You betcha! But those that lack spark and vision will pass away soon enough. They always do.

If the spirit of Nostalrius is going to survive then it has to be spread far and wide, so far and so wide that nothing can stop it from reappearing and hopefully improving. It needs to be like a Hydra. Cut off one head and seven more grow back in it's place. As long as control of everything is limited then it can be destroyed and lost.

Hilo wrote:There's no point in releasing the core source code without the database and scripts. That essentially is the game. The core is just some modified version of MaNGOS most likely, and there are already plenty of versions of that available for the choosing.

If the developers truly stand behind their statement to the effect that they want to see this project they put so much time and love into continue beyond them then the only option is to release it all, otherwise Nostalrius will truly be dead.

Throttling the DB and scripts (or keeping them secret) only serves to hold back further development, and will most likely result in the eventual loss of that data forever. Or, worse yet, the manipulation, control, and profiteering of that data.

We've already seen the damage that is caused when only one entity controls the dissemination of information. If Blizzard hadn't been so tight-fisted with their Intellectual Property, Nostalrius would still be going strong. Their overbearing "ownership" of a product they don't even provide anymore is what has led to this moment.

Will there be a bunch of half-assed, poorly developed and maintained servers that sprout up using the data provided? You betcha! But those that lack spark and vision will pass away soon enough. They always do.

If the spirit of Nostalrius is going to survive then it has to be spread far and wide, so far and so wide that nothing can stop it from reappearing and hopefully improving. It needs to be like a Hydra. Cut off one head and seven more grow back in it's place. As long as control of everything is limited then it can be destroyed and lost.

Such a well structured post and yet you completely missed the point the OP was making. Silly hillybilly.

I'll help you. The whole point of giving back to the MaNGOS project is to make it possible for anyone to start a new quality server, ie if Blizzard wants to stop these private servers from popping up they need to fix the real problem. Start up legacy servers.

This is the exact strategy The Pirate Bay used, the underlying issue wasn't Pirate Bay, it was the poor legal options for consumers.