You mean I can't have reasons for why a certain character should be playable over another? We all do that throughout this topic. It is called Smash Bros dicussions and we literally talk about a multitude of characters.

I hope there are two final smashes this time per character, that would be cool, but i know it wont happen. Its a good idea because there are countless of moves that could be final smashes for all the characters.

I hope there are two final smashes this time per character, that would be cool, but i know it wont happen. Its a good idea because there are countless of moves that could be final smashes for all the characters.

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It also gives the player the choice on which one best fits the situation

Oh my gosh, Deja Vu much? I specifically remember talking about Goku, Donbe and Hikari a while back now. I saw more Saki vs. Isa junk on the last page for like the 5th time, more rosters that hardly change and now talk of the Toad deconfirmation again, what is going on?

Oh my gosh, Deja Vu much? I specifically remember talking about Goku, Donbe and Hikari a while back now. I saw more Saki vs. Isa junk on the last page for like the 5th time, more rosters that hardly change and now talk of the Toad deconfirmation again, what is going on?

How does a Nintendogs stage disconfirm a Nintendogs AT? Here is the miiverse comment:
"Pic of the Day. The breed of the Nintendogs Assist Trophy has changed to a French Bulldog. It looks so real! Tell me that doesn't bring a smile to your face."
The fact that the AT is a different breed from the 3DS stage element(and with how Sakurai went out of his way to state this), I think it hints at it being present in the 3DS version as well

Also, interesting that he says "It looks so real!", since that was precisely the main common argument used against why Nintendogs won't be playable.

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Who wanted Nintendogs to be playable? I have trouble believing that someone truly wanted to play as a dog.

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HEY! There are some respectful people that support Duck Hunt Dog
But in all seriousness, and to answer your question, BluePikmin...is one IGN user that supported Nintendog. And also:http://smashboards.com/threads/nint...-u-3ds-assist-trophy-status-confirmed.338697/
Yep, there's a whole support thread for Nintendogs in smashboards. Which if you read through you'd see "Nintendogs is too real!" counterarguments popping up, which also happened to pop up in here back when BluePikmin had Nintendog in his roster.

Judging by Nintendogs' supporters, it's not that people truly wanted to play as a dog, rather they wanted Nintendog since he'd be the "Ultimate WTF character" and since he was pictured next to Villager in that picture, which made some people think he was confirmed.

AT's:
Lip (if not playable of course)- once released she warps to the back of the stage. Puzzle blocks instantly poof in the air and begin to fall on and around the stage causing lots of damage. The occasional garbage block falls quickly and has high launching power (it causes about as much damage as Kirby's Stone). After some time, she and the puzzle blocks disappear.
Muddy Mole- Once released he digs into the ground where he is out of sight. Muddy will quickly and randomly pop up in various parts of the stage throwing bombs at the players. He will then burrow back into the ground and pop up in another place where he will again throw a bomb. He does this about 8 times before disappearing.
Prince Sable- Sable appears and will transform into one of two things, a frog or a snake. If Sable transforms into a frog he does....absolutely nothing but a minor 1% damage to those hit by one of his hops. Most often his frog form will just end up jumping off the stage. Sable's snake form is a little better. It slithers around and quickly bites anyone that comes in contact with it for some minimal damage and small chance to daze the characters as if hit by a Deku nut.
Bubbles- Appears on a pole and repeatedly swings around on it in place. Anyone close enough will be drawn in and virtually unable to escape. At the end of it, she will let off a large screech which blows players close to her away. Bubbles trapping ability can also be used to an advantage for landing a smash attack or other powerful attack on the victim or victims.
Stanley (DK3)- His bit version appears in which he runs around spraying competitors just like the insolent little bugs they are. The sprays while don't offer much knockback due some pretty hefty damage. The spray hovers in the air too so players not paying attention can still get damage even if they stopped flinching from the initial pump of gas. Pushing enemies into the gas so you can finish them off is also a good tactic.

Why on EARTH would Ghirahim be in Smash? He doesn't even remotely deserve a spot and is not even important to Zelda. I don't recall us getting Zant in Brawl, probably because Sakurai doesn't add unimportant one time villains because they are recent. And what about Vaati? Ghirahim can't get in over him because Vaati is way more important to Zelda. Why Krystal? Why replace Wolf, who is the more important and requested rival of Star Fox so we can give representation to Dinosaur Planet which is mostly a RareWare game that Sakurai and Nintendo basically try to pretend doesn't exist. Sakurai is not replacing Wolf because Krystal has a unique move set. That's just crazy beyond belief. Pac-Man is never getting in over Snake by the way. Snake is way more unique and requested. And before you say anything being a more iconic Third-Party won't make you higher priority or else we wouldn't even have Snake in the first place. Sakurai doesn't even remove franchises. Also being from Namco will not give Pac-Man higher priority either according to Sakurai.

So these changes need to be made to your roster before it can be considered realistic.

Isa or Saki? I'll place my bets on neither. Anyway, this is my newest roster. It's my roster of who I think Sakurai will plan from the getco rather than just the characters that will make it to the final release. Obviously Sakurai won't have time to add everyone planned or have a 50 character roster as he will most likely plan. So here it is! Enjoy it!
Also I picked Starfy over Issac. Both are popular handheld Nintendo classics, but Starfy has more games and seemed to have more acknowledgement in Brawl and I feel he is more unique and overall just more deserving.

How does a Nintendogs stage disconfirm a Nintendogs AT? Here is the miiverse comment:
"Pic of the Day. The breed of the Nintendogs Assist Trophy has changed to a French Bulldog. It looks so real! Tell me that doesn't bring a smile to your face."
The fact that the AT is a different breed from the 3DS stage element(and with how Sakurai went out of his way to state this), I think it hints at it being present in the 3DS version as well

Also, interesting that he says "It looks so real!", since that was precisely the main common argument used against why Nintendogs won't be playable.

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Who wanted Nintendogs to be playable? I have trouble believing that someone truly wanted to play as a dog.

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HEY! There are some respectful people that support Duck Hunt Dog
But in all seriousness, and to answer your question, BluePikmin...is one IGN user that supported Nintendog. And also:http://smashboards.com/threads/nint...-u-3ds-assist-trophy-status-confirmed.338697/
Yep, there's a whole support thread for Nintendogs in smashboards. Which if you read through you'd see "Nintendogs is too real!" counterarguments popping up, which also happened to pop up in here back when BluePikmin had Nintendog in his roster.

Judging by Nintendogs' supporters, it's not that people truly wanted to play as a dog, rather they wanted Nintendog since he'd be the "Ultimate WTF character" and since he was pictured next to Villager in that picture, which made some people think he was confirmed.

Also, at this time we usually get a character reveal...

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In a way, DHD is different and seems like a more viable choice than a Nintendog, but let's no get into that because I don't really see the point of adding him, either.

I just read that thread... and it could work. It's not very interesting and it seems like things that a generic dog could do, but it could still work. The biggest problem I have with it is that it's not really one of Nintendo's original creations like Mario, Fox or Captain Falcon, it's just a standard breed of dog in one of their games. I'm not downplaying the importance of Nintendogs + Cats, I just don't see the point.

They're right about the WTF potential, though. If people were pissed about Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, they'd be flipping tables if Nintendog got in.

Who wanted Nintendogs to be playable? I have trouble believing that someone truly wanted to play as a dog.

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BluePikmin...

Instead of arguing about Isa vs Saki, why not we all place a bet on which one will end up getting in to end the debates? If both get in, it's a no-contest

Isa:
Saki: Crusher

I ain't trying to start another 50+ pages of this, but it's to end it.

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Well, Saki, no doubt. Sin and Punishment isn't highly recognised as a series, but Saki's AT appearance in Brawl would have increased his visibility. If he got in, people would say "that's the cool Assist Trophy from Brawl" or something along those lines. Isa doesn't have that.

^agreed.
Also, I have an idea on how to end Isa vs Saki debates:
When someone mentions Isa and Saki, or puts them in their roster, instead of screaming at it being unrealistic, just respect the differing opinion and move on. Most of these "Isa vs Saki" discussions start out that way.

^agreed.
Also, I have an idea on how to end Isa vs Saki debates:
When someone mentions Isa and Saki, or puts them in their roster, instead of screaming at it being unrealistic, just respect the differing opinion and move on. Most of these "Isa vs Saki" discussions start out that way.

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This, easily

I have my reasons for Isa, other people have theirs for Isa vs Saki. It is just how things have to go.

On top of that, just because a character is not on my roster does not mean I can't see them happening. There are a ton of characters, ranging from ones who used to be on to one that have never been in my roster, that I have reasons for potentially being in Smash Bros. I did like a series of videos last year talking about like 80 choices, and that wasn't even all the possible one I would think. LOL

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I cut Palutena and Chrom, as neither of them are major all-stars, and a smaller roster seems more legit.
Thoughts?

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I personally think that Wario, Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and Wolf should not make a return. Starfy as a roster character... I don't even see him as a good gag character. Ridley, not even going to go in to it but I don't want him. If Bowser Jr has his brush from Sunshine, I'll accept it. Now something I didn't like about Samus is how we were forced to go into Zero Suit and back through final smashes, if they change that, I'll welcome Zero Suit with open arms.

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I cut Palutena and Chrom, as neither of them are major all-stars, and a smaller roster seems more legit.
Thoughts?

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I personally think that Wario, Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and Wolf should not make a return. Starfy as a roster character... I don't even see him as a good gag character. Ridley, not even going to go in to it but I don't want him. If Bowser Jr has his brush from Sunshine, I'll accept it. Now something I didn't like about Samus is how we were forced to go into Zero Suit and back through final smashes, if they change that, I'll welcome Zero Suit with open arms.

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Wario should and at least A Pokemon Trainer should be in, which one I don't know.

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I cut Palutena and Chrom, as neither of them are major all-stars, and a smaller roster seems more legit.
Thoughts?

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I personally think that Wario, Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and Wolf should not make a return. Starfy as a roster character... I don't even see him as a good gag character. Ridley, not even going to go in to it but I don't want him. If Bowser Jr has his brush from Sunshine, I'll accept it. Now something I didn't like about Samus is how we were forced to go into Zero Suit and back through final smashes, if they change that, I'll welcome Zero Suit with open arms.

I just thought Pokemon Trainer was unnecessary in the end. And I don't know what other Pokemon Trainer they'd use since Red is the most iconic out of all of them. Wario, I just didn't like him. Snake, if they're going to cut down on third party characters, get rid of him because it just felt odd to have him there. Wolf, replace him with Krystal from Starfox Adventure with her staff. Wolf felt too much like a cheap version of Fox.

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I cut Palutena and Chrom, as neither of them are major all-stars, and a smaller roster seems more legit.
Thoughts?

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I personally think that Wario, Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and Wolf should not make a return. Starfy as a roster character... I don't even see him as a good gag character. Ridley, not even going to go in to it but I don't want him. If Bowser Jr has his brush from Sunshine, I'll accept it. Now something I didn't like about Samus is how we were forced to go into Zero Suit and back through final smashes, if they change that, I'll welcome Zero Suit with open arms.

I just thought Pokemon Trainer was unnecessary in the end. And I don't know what other Pokemon Trainer they'd use since Red is the most iconic out of all of them. Wario, I just didn't like him. Snake, if they're going to cut down on third party characters, get rid of him because it just felt odd to have him there. Wolf, replace him with Krystal from Starfox Adventure with her staff. Wolf felt too much like a cheap version of Fox.

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The only character I'd cut from that list is Snake, personally. Red is good for Pokémon representation, and in my opinion, he makes the most sense as a playable character after Pikachu. Wolf's moves could be changed, and I feel he is a lot more important to the series than Krystal. Wario needs that fart move to change, because while it's useful, it's just not funny. Would be cool if his Down-B changed to the Earthshake Punch from Wario Land: The Shake Dimension, as that could also use the charge mechanic that the Wario Waft uses. I wouldn't mind if the Side-B changes as well.

I just thought Pokemon Trainer was unnecessary in the end. And I don't know what other Pokemon Trainer they'd use since Red is the most iconic out of all of them. Wario, I just didn't like him. Snake, if they're going to cut down on third party characters, get rid of him because it just felt odd to have him there. Wolf, replace him with Krystal from Starfox Adventure with her staff. Wolf felt too much like a cheap version of Fox.

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The only character I'd cut from that list is Snake, personally. Red is good for Pokémon representation, and in my opinion, he makes the most sense as a playable character after Pikachu. Wolf's moves could be changed, and I feel he is a lot more important to the series than Krystal. Wario needs that fart move to change, because while it's useful, it's just not funny. Would be cool if his Down-B changed to the Earthshake Punch from Wario Land: The Shake Dimension, as that could also use the charge mechanic that the Wario Waft uses. I wouldn't mind if the Side-B changes as well.

Vaati is a recurring boss in the series. He's a lot more important than other characters that are requested, like Midna or Ghirahim.

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Hey I like Ghirahim more than Vaati. I think he's a brilliant boss than Vaati

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That doesn't change the fact that Vaati is an important character, or at least more so than a one-time boss. You may want Ghirahim more, and that's fine, but Vaati's chances can't be written off just because of your personal preference.

Many people may be disappointed right now since this is the longest streak of no character announcements. It seems like no matter what they announce is going to be a large letdown for many people until then.

Surprisingly, the updates in the last week (give or take a few days) have been generally informative.

You know what, I honestly think they should've revealed Smash 4 at E3 2014 with a Xmas 2014 release date. The fact that it was announced ages ago makes the wait so much longer.............I remember it felt like ages until Brawl came out and it's all ready a long wait until Sm4sh releases...... But then again announcing Sm4sh does spike interest in the Wii U which the Wii U needs. Meh, just some thoughts.

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No, just no. An X-Mas 2014 date for Smash would be a horrible idea. Nearly everyone is anxiously waiting for this game to release around the Spring or Summer. The Wii U need a 1-2 combo this Spring similar to the 3DS with Fire Emblem Awakening and Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon.

I hope there are two final smashes this time per character, that would be cool, but i know it wont happen. Its a good idea because there are countless of moves that could be final smashes for all the characters.

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Having multiple Final Smashes would result in unbalanced FS for some characters. But I like your creativity though.

Hey I like Ghirahim more than Vaati. I think he's a brilliant boss than Vaati

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Sakurai doesn't base importance and priority by what YOU like. Just because you want Ghriham doesn't mean he's more important than Vaati. You may like Krystal, Ghiriham, and Pac-Man better and that's okay, but the reality is that Snake, Wolf, and Vaati are more important. That's the truth.