Well there are some who post at various times who are not argumentative I believe the names "Keble", "Ebor" & a couple others (another person for sure, i cannot recall by name, sorry) are actually those one can have a constructive conversation with (kind of like in a C.S. Lewis mode).

Well there are some who post at various times who are not argumentative I believe the names "Keble", "Ebor" & a couple others (another person for sure, i cannot recall by name, sorry) are actually those one can have a constructive conversation with (kind of like in a C.S. Lewis mode).

My ears (typing fingers?) must have been burning, as my grandmother would have said. I come to see how things are and find myself mentioned. I'm glad that you think I'm not argumentative. I'm sure that others might think that I have been in some of the threads where I don't agree with them and keep offering countering information.

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

I've noticed that, over the last few months, a few posters whom I enjoyed reading arguments from such as...I think a couple names were hopefulconvert and Alfredperrson.

forgive me if they are incorrectly spelled.

What's happened to them? Are any of you still lurking?

If you meant someone like me, I've just been busy with Life, Family, Children (two teens and a pre-teen, with the eldest getting ready to go to college) a double class with lab for me in the spring semester, work and so forth.

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

Well there are some who post at various times who are not argumentative I believe the names "Keble", "Ebor" & a couple others (another person for sure, i cannot recall by name, sorry) are actually those one can have a constructive conversation with (kind of like in a C.S. Lewis mode).

My ears (typing fingers?) must have been burning, as my grandmother would have said. I come to see how things are and find myself mentioned. I'm glad that you think I'm not argumentative. I'm sure that others might think that I have been in some of the threads where I don't agree with them and keep offering countering information.

Ebor

Yeah, I should have phrased that better. I think scars from certain threads affected my expression.

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It seems that most of them are here... perhaps lurking in the shadows... waiting for the most opportune moment to strike... . .

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"Christian America is finally waking up to what fraternities and biker gangs have known for years: hazing works!"

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It seems that most of them are here... perhaps lurking in the shadows... waiting for the most opportune moment to strike... . .

Makes us sound like pumas or jaguars (or "jagulars" as Tigger says) waiting up in the branches to drop on someone.

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

Doubting Thomas - Last login: June 21, 2011Cleopas - Last login: July 19, 2011Ebor - Last login: July 17, 2011David Young - Last login: July 19, 2011Keble - Last login: July 18, 2011Alfred Persson - Last login: July 15, 2011

It seems that most of them are here... perhaps lurking in the shadows... waiting for the most opportune moment to strike... . .

Makes us sound like pumas or jaguars (or "jagulars" as Tigger says) waiting up in the branches to drop on someone.

Makes us sound like pumas or jaguars (or "jagulars" as Tigger says) waiting up in the branches to drop on someone.

Or ninjas.Cos ninjas are cool.

Anglican ninjas... hmmm I'm trying to work my mind around that idea, but I keep getting the Neko-ninja from "Usagi Yojimbo" in the mix (along with the pumas and jaguars)... This could be odd.... but decently and in order.

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

If someone dies during their catechumenate they get an Orthodox burial. Sound Orthodox to me

This is more of a reference to a thread in another part of the site where several catechumen refused to self-identify as Orthodox. I think there's good reason for the prayers for the making of a catechumen to be said months before their reception rather than right before.

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Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years.

THE OPINIONS HERE MAY NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED ORTHODOX CHURCH

Most (about 70% I think) of the Swedish population belongs to the Church of Sweden. However, quite few are regular churchgoers and mainly use the church for things like baptism, marriage and burial services. Or in a crisis of life.

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For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.James 4:14

Of that percentage, how many would you say are serious about their Faith? This is very interesting, since I was not aware that even that many Swedes were still self-identifying as Christians. Again, this is coming from someone who generally ran into Swedes on holiday either here in LA or in Greece, so I know my experience can hardly be considered basis for an informed opinion.

Most (about 70% I think) of the Swedish population belongs to the Church of Sweden. However, quite few are regular churchgoers and mainly use the church for things like baptism, marriage and burial services. Or in a crisis of life.

I don't think you have to self-identify as Christian to be counted a member. At least in Denmark, people are automatically considered members of the Church of Denmark unless they specifically request not to be.

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I don't think you have to self-identify as Christian to be counted a member. At least in Denmark, people are automatically considered members of the Church of Denmark unless they specifically request not to be.

It is true. But if we must look at those who are seroius about their faith it would probably lie in between 5 and 10%

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

Actually people born in Sweden have not become members of the Church of Sweden since.. Quite some time I guess. Muslim and jewish born children have not been taken into the church as members. And during the 19th century it was made possible to join another christian group. The children of those people after a while have counted as not members of the CoS. Nowadays you have to specificially join and if you are going to be baptised you can be a member of the Church.

I have no idea how to draw the line on where people are serious or unserious about their faith in any objective way. But my feelings would tell me that about 10-15 % of swedish people are serious about their faith. In those numbers I include christians of other denominations.

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For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.James 4:14

IIRC all the national Lutheran church of Sweden disestablished in the 90's. Since then Swedes aren't automaticaly considered members at birth, and the relationship between the CofS and the Swdeish crown was abolished, even though the Bernadottes remain members.

The ruling king/queen have to, according to law, still be a member of the Church of SwedenIt was possible for children even before the state and church split in 2000 to not be born into the CoS.But the exact rules have shifted and become less and less CoS-centered.

Actually people born in Sweden have not become members of the Church of Sweden since.. Quite some time I guess. Muslim and jewish born children have not been taken into the church as members. And during the 19th century it was made possible to join another christian group. The children of those people after a while have counted as not members of the CoS. Nowadays you have to specificially join and if you are going to be baptised you can be a member of the Church.

I have no idea how to draw the line on where people are serious or unserious about their faith in any objective way. But my feelings would tell me that about 10-15 % of swedish people are serious about their faith. In those numbers I include christians of other denominations.

^Last time I checked secular(ist) Europe has public holidays such as Easter Monday, Pentecost Monday, Ascension, Assumption/Dormition, second day of Christmas etc, while the supposedly devout Christian USA has never had them. It's funny, but on a cultural/public level Christianity is way more visible in any European country than America. Cultural Calvinism if it were to disappear, wouldn't be a loss at all.

One of my friends pointed this out: English comedy is full of biblical and religious references Americans don't get, yet roughly 1/3 to nearly 1/2 of Englishmen are atheists (statistics vary greatly). As he put it, the English have all the Christian formation but none of the belief, while Americans have no formation and all of the belief.

One also may consider the historical roots of America, where the early settlers came from religious sects that did not recognize any religious calendar. Even Christmas was suppressed in some areas until the late 19th century, when there was an explosion of Catholic immigration.

^Last time I checked secular(ist) Europe has public holidays such as Easter Monday, Pentecost Monday, Ascension, Assumption/Dormition, second day of Christmas etc, while the supposedly devout Christian USA has never had them. It's funny, but on a cultural/public level Christianity is way more visible in any European country than America. Cultural Calvinism if it were to disappear, wouldn't be a loss at all.