Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspxFundamentals such as memory usage represent a key engineering tenet of Windows 8. In building Windows 8 we set out to significantly reduce the overall runtime memory requirements of the core system. This is always good for everyone and especially in aen-USTelligent Evolution Platform Developer Build (Build: 5.6.50428.7875)re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10227977Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:20:34 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10227977TechDud<p>@Bruce1973</p>
<p>you neglected to mention the Win3.x files in C:\windows\system !!!</p>
<p>However; if you&#39;re happy with OS-X, then stick with it.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t bother those of us who have spent 20+ years with Windows when you are clearly biased against it.</p>
<p>PS: &nbsp;How&#39;s your Time Machine working? &nbsp;Not always reliable, is it. &nbsp;</p>
<p>&quot;In like a lion, out like a lamb&quot;</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10227977" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10227136Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:24:18 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10227136Bruce1973<p>So if I understand correctly, Windows-8 is essentially a re-hash of Windows-7 which was borne of Vista being a resource pig, which was released because XP was outdated albeit used Code from &#39;98 which was a rebirth of Windows-95 which was an even worse abortion than was Windows-386...hopefully thereby leaving anyone with half a brain to come to the following two conclusions: (1) Windows-8 is simply Win-386 with a few extra lines of Code, and (2) OS-X can&#39;t be beat. </p>
<p>Simple as that, people...simple as that.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been in Information Technologies for thirty years now, going back to the days of VAX/VMS (RSX-11M) on a DEC PDP-11/24. I know of what I speak. Over those years I&#39;ve worked on thousands of Windows systems and well, frankly, the latest MS O/S has always been as bad if not worse than it&#39;s predecessor.</p>
<p>Life is too short so move on to an O/S that is reliable and productive. To wit, OS-X.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10227136" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10226539Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:26:49 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10226539TechDud<p>Any way to expand the &quot;ReadyBoost&quot; feature to support SSD &quot;SuperBoost&quot; containing %temp% &amp; temporary internet files, perhaps even the page file?</p>
<p> I also wish someone would address the LSASS memory leakage problems.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10226539" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10226356Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:21:52 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10226356cherry<p>British reporters are known for doing almost anything to get a Mulberry Bags. But reports that a newspaper secretly listened to telephone messages of murdered schoolgirls and other private citizens have produced Mulberry Handbags and anger.</p>
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<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10226356" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10225620Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:55:00 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10225620Bydia<p>It is nice that Win8 runs well on the Acer Aconia W500P with just 1GB of RAM. However, viewing videos at x2 speed causes video and audio to go out of sync. &nbsp;Would be nice if that could be fixed. See time at second image at: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://tinyurl.com/Win8Wish2">http://tinyurl.com/Win8Wish2</a></p>
<p>Hope, that whatever changes happen to media that you will keep the ability to view videos at a faster speed.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10225620" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10225492Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:48:23 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10225492Kev<p>Shared memory? So we&#39;re heading back to the 9x series problems? Let&#39;s open the door and see what malware can creep in.</p>
<p>When are Microsoft going to employ talented software architects?</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10225492" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10225394Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:18:57 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10225394oem111<p>@Steven Sinofsky</p>
<p>is there a chance that microsoft implements the good old ramdisk back in the OS?</p>
<p>With a native 64bit ramdisk many user could increase the performance of the system without installing 3rd party utilities.</p>
<p>Another feature that i would like to see, is the possibility to move your personal data - like my documents - on another partition, with a single mouse click or even better as an option during the installation process.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>oem111</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10225394" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10225301Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:22:13 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10225301kaustubha_bhilare<p>windows explorer uses high memory when there is too much more folder and drive windows are opened at one instance. so there should be a tab browsing &nbsp;like improvement in windows explorer . also this trick applies to all other things like notepad word-pad and each and every program running in windows before opening a file of any type should check first for is the default program or service is already open(started) &nbsp;and the new instance should auto tabbed in that program &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
<p>there is tool seen for xp vista and rarely in win 7 which gives tabbed browsing facility for explorer </p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://qttabbar.sourceforge.net/">qttabbar.sourceforge.net</a> &nbsp;and <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/">http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/</a></p>
<p>and for tool like notepad &nbsp; <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://projects.gnome.org/gedit/screenshots.html">projects.gnome.org/.../screenshots.html</a></p>
<p>bhilare_kaustubha@rediffmail.com </p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10225301" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10224295Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:15:02 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10224295Ian McLean<p>Can&#39;t complain about much here. Nice job!</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10224295" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223838Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:18:54 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223838Commentator<p>I don&#39;t fault anything, Microsoft is doing a very good job in Windows 8, I have only writed that some native apps that monitors the computer would be a very good thing.....I know that there are some &quot;external&quot; softwares that do it, but native and done by Microsoft is extremely better (for example, why put Hyper-V in windows 8?because it&#39;s better, is fully developed for windows, it doesn&#39;t slow the pc and we don&#39;t have to put more money)......some informations about the hardware are written in windows 7, but there aren&#39;t so much, also the temperature monitoring it&#39;s the most important to implement, as native app</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223838" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223784Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:14:30 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223784Kim<p>@Commentator (the harsh guy), como&#39;n Windows XP is old, its being decades now! How long you want to get served for it? Cut the crap and buy Windows 7 already.. By the way, its way too off-topic!</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223784" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223782Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:08:51 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223782@zhongyun<p>Thank you, we understand what you have said. Thanks for waisting some space!</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223782" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223722Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:15:01 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223722zhongyun<p>No, I don&#39;t think so...</p>
<p>Noticed that--</p>
<p>Figure 1 : Commit (MB) &nbsp; &nbsp;581/2038</p>
<p>Figure 2 : Commit (MB) &nbsp; &nbsp;549/2038</p>
<p>And Win 8 is only preview version, so ...</p>
<p>PS:这贴好多人是不是枪手。。。</p>
<p> &nbsp; &nbsp; 各种赞歌和期待。。。</p>
<p> &nbsp; &nbsp; 随着windows新版本的出现，越来越花哨了</p>
<p> &nbsp; &nbsp; 性能和功能虽有一定提升，但对硬件要求越来越高</p>
<p> &nbsp; &nbsp;客观的说几句啊！</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223722" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223530Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:08:17 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223530@nil<p>It was search for &quot;windows performance tools kit&quot;</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223530" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223526Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:04:39 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223526@Nil<p>I wonder when people stop having &quot;strong opinions&quot; on the things they have no idea about. <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.bing.com/search?q=windows+performance+tools+kit">www.bing.com/search</a></p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223526" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223521Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:52:14 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223521Nikola<p>Loving the thing you did with the services ! really nice job !</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223521" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223404Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:46:25 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223404Edwards<p>Windows 8 needs a app that monitors -</p>
<p>Fan speeds: showing rpm</p>
<p>Temperatures: hd, cpu, gpu, case, all sensors found...</p>
<p>Clocks/bus speed for cpu and gpu core: mhz</p>
<p>Voltages: vbat, etc...</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223404" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223374Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:44:58 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223374Xero<p>@Commentator, I am also looking for some better temperature monitoring utility at OS level. Especially in laptops where the CPU usage exceeds 90% due to the high temperature (as in the scenario mentioned in my first comment above).</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223374" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223343Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:11:29 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223343Commentator<p>Hi, respect to the usage in RAM, in Windows 8 there will be a better and detailed benchmark tool, where we can see the speed of the RAM, his usage, the speed and memory of GPUs, CPUs ecc.ecc. &nbsp;? Also, a temperature monotoring of the hardware of the PC (where we can set a temperature of alarm that shut down the pc) will make of Windows 8 the best OS.....</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223343" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223339Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:51 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223339Stefan<p>To Steven Sinofsky and Co.:</p>
<p>Framework.NET 4.0.x...when will there be an update that fix the hangup &nbsp;of the desktop and networkconnection on Windows XP ? People have told Microsoft over and over about this problem, but do they even care ? No, ofcourse not. Pay for Microsoft&#39;s crap and then they don&#39;t care.....</p>
<p>Now fix an update for Framework.NET 4.0.x on XP computers !!!!!</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223339" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223318Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:07:29 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223318nil<p>I wonder when Microsoft will finally get a decent tool for memory usage analysis. </p>
<p>Check &nbsp;for example <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://kohlerm.blogspot.com/2009/07/eclipse-memory-analyzer-10-useful.html">kohlerm.blogspot.com/.../eclipse-memory-analyzer-10-useful.html</a>.</p>
<p>Java and Android are still years ahead with regards to memory usage analysis</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223318" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223279Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:13:38 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223279Nina Will<p>@Mehmet Iyigun [MSFT], thank you for explanation about Superfetch in memory-management!</p>
<p>Incidentally, do you happen to know anyone responsible for presspass website? Please ask them to get rid of the misleading message &quot;Click Here to Install Silverlight&quot; at the top because I have latest version of Silverlight installed! To wit, checkout; <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2011/sep11/09-21OEMFallDevices.mspx?wt.mc_id=Fall2011LineUp">www.microsoft.com/.../09-21OEMFallDevices.mspx</a></p>
<p>Same thing happens on Microsoft Flight Simulator game website: <a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorx/">www.microsoft.com/.../flightsimulatorx</a></p>
<p>Looks like this message is rubber stamped or hardcode rather than having a script actually checking Silverlight plug-in! The funny part is, there is no Silverlight component used on particularly those page. Please take it seriously, that thing is there for ages.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223279" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223252Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:13:58 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223252Mehmet Iyigun [MSFT]<p>@John Smith</p>
<p>Windows does in fact contain various mechanisms to intelligently populate empty memory with useful data just as you suggest. It&#39;s called Superfetch. We definitely agree that having GBs memory is not useful unless it contains useful data. Here&#39;s &nbsp;pointer to some information about Superfetch:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.osnews.com/story/21471/SuperFetch_How_it_Works_Myths">www.osnews.com/.../SuperFetch_How_it_Works_Myths</a></p>
<p>The most detailed public documentation for Superfetch is in the latest edition of the &quot;Windows Internals&quot; book. There&#39;s an entire section on Superfetch and related technologies:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963901">technet.microsoft.com/.../bb963901</a></p>
<p>One key thing to understand is that memory populated by Superfetch or other memory manager caching mechanisms is still &quot;available memory&quot; as opposed to &quot;in use memory&quot;. Available memory is composed of cached data and free memory and can be immediately allocated by applications if necessary. Our goal with Windows memory footprint optimizations has been reducing memory in use by the operating system. You can easily see this distinction in the above TaskMgr screenshots: Win8 has much less memory in use (281MB vs. 404MB), but it happens to have more Cached memory.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223252" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223248Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:59:16 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223248mike.strobel<p>Many thanks to the Windows PMs for seeing the value in improving low-level subsystems like memory management, and to the talented engineers who are making it happen.</p>
<p>Apologies for pouring gasoline on the great Metro debate, but a mechanism to completely disable the Metro UI in favor of the classic desktop and start menu is highly desirable to me. &nbsp;I have no interest in using touch to interact with a desktop workstation connected to a 30&quot; monitor that sits three feet away from me, and (contrary to Microsoft&#39;s claims) keyboard/mouse support in the Metro environment is something of a disaster. &nbsp;I do not exaggerate when I say that the rather clumsy UI has killed my enthusiasm for the new development technologies in Windows 8. &nbsp;As much as I would like to spend time with WinRT, I am unwilling to subject myself to Windows 8 at this time, as I find the environment unusable. &nbsp;A &quot;pure&quot; classic desktop option with a Windows 7-style start menu would make the platform viable to me.</p>
<p>Note that my issues with the Metro UI are based on usability; I am not complaining simply because I am afraid of change. &nbsp;I don&#39;t mind you &quot;moving my cheese&quot; as long as it doesn&#39;t inhibit my productivity. &nbsp;I immediately embraced the UI enhancements introduced with Windows 7, but so far Windows 8 seems like a step backwards in terms of usability for desktop users. &nbsp;Metro works &quot;well enough&quot; with touch-first devices (though it still has many issues); for traditional desktops and users who prefer a keyboard and mouse to touch-based interaction, it is simply unaccommodating. &nbsp;That said, I generally approve of the desktop UI changes: the revamped Explorer UI is fine (though perhaps a bit &quot;over the top&quot;), and the revised &quot;file copy&quot; dialogs are a godsend.</p>
<div style="clear:both;"></div><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=10223248" width="1" height="1">re: Reducing runtime memory in Windows 8http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx#10223163Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:00:34 GMT91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:10223163Víctor M<p>Good work! it is a WOW improvement, more for low-end hardware or mobile devices. But when the system have a higher capacity, the SO will have same behavior? I mean (in servers), if windows 8 are running in a 16gb machine will retain only a small piece of the avalaible memory instead load the most recursive things in RAM? This forces should go to disk to read, and it haves worst performance. Anyway,Windows 8 seems to will be the best SO that you has released.</p>
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