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After today's nerf to Tier-20 (ToS) the balance druid still goes 4 - T20 and 2 - T21 or we will now take the 4 pieces from T21?

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I looked around and no one had simmed or made any "article" about it.

I asked a Mythic raider of ours, who lucky enough plays Balance and not Feral. But he told me that he runs Helm and Shoulders T20 if he is lucky and gets either shoulders or helm... or both + another piece so he can get 4 set bonus from Antorus, he would replace the T20 to T21.

If the Item level + T21 set bonus piece is higher then T20 you should change it, for now, thats what we conclude. I will return when I Know more.

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After today's nerf to Tier-20 (ToS) the balance druid still goes 4 - T20 and 2 - T21 or we will now take the 4 pieces from T21?

Thank you!

Difference between T20-2/T21-4 and T20-4/T21-2 is so incredibly small that titanforging is going to completely screw it. If you take T20 @ 930, T21 @ 960, then T20-2/T21-4 > T20-4/T21-2.

If you WF/TF T20 to an average of 937+, and your average T21 is at 960 still, then T20-4/T21-2 beats it, assuming ST.

Realistically, you need to sim this. It's insanely close on the gear comparisons. A tier difference will push you to a completely different build. (Mythic T20 will beat Heroic T21, for example, with a standard profile, but then might lose with your character)

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