, thisisobama's deal, nowhe owns it. >> but they need to do better with communicating that exact message, really, if you look at what's going on here, obama has been persistent and bullheaded saying, it's my way or no way and i think he can wants to go over the cliff to demonize and at the same time bullying the middle class. >> and in the short-term run, that it is inevitable that the democrats will say you guys, you republicans, you put us offer the cliff because you were defending your rich millionaire friends, it's inevitable they will say that and that's a winning political line in the short-run. and over that, however, and you ask where is the leadership from this president, where is it? >> and here, stuart. >> doesn't he agree with you. >> americans with funny accent. let me ask you this question, explain to me and to the american people out there right now why you need to protect millionaires tax cuts in two sentences? >> okay, if you tax people over $250,000. >> wait a second, okay. >> tax them over a million, you might bring in on the best of years, you might bring-- wait a sec

in washington. there'snodeal, nonew offer on the fiscal cliff crisis.presidentobamahasjust told the two senate leaders they should make the deal. the results immediately felt in the financial markets. look where the dow closed down 158 points when it became very clear nothing was happening and now take a look at where the numbers are in the after markets. we would open now down 315 points on the dow if we started trading now. down 315 points. we have much more on this throughout the rest of the program, but the market's very unhappy. we do have some good news to report tonight. looks like at least one cliff has been averted for the time being. the so-called container cliff. the union that represents dock workers and u.s. maritime lines came to an agreement today to extend their current contract for 30 days. this is a big relief now for the retail industry and consumers who were staring at real destruction again for the supply chain. here now is jonathan gold and he's vice president of supply chain and customs policy for the national retail federation. jonathan, good to see you. >> miche

, where christie went andembracedobama. thatwasabigdeal. hewas the main people surrogate for romney campaigning in the election for him to validate and say hey, this guy is doing a great job. didn't help days before the election. >> eric: big story. sandy. christie. two big stories. >> kimberly: yes. >> eric: juan, what about you, sir? actually i don't think there is any -- >> juan: i don't think there is any question. the big story of the year was the election. the big story here is the change in the way technology, media treats an election. i remember the debate. the first debate. won by romney. the way i was looking at it. obama is not doing bad. not doing great but basically you got to knock out the champ to beat him. it didn't see a knock-out. all my friends like sean hannity, i sit next two on twitter and they're scoring the debate minute by minute, everything going on in social media. in that case, romney was the winner. that's true with fundraising. each campaign raised $1 billion. how much money is that? for what? >> andrea: how could you think that obama was doing just oka

the senate. sowhatobamaissaying, if harry reid and mcconnell do not getadeal, well,that means that a deal would signify that it is filibuster proof. they'd have a super majority. democrats have the majority so you would think why don't they just vote together, pass it and move on to the house, but the dare is that obama's saying do you really want to show to all of america, republican senators that you're going filibuster a bill and everybody's taxes will go up? how do you explain that when there are -- when there is a majority around who can fas? that's a pretty interesting dare that obama put out there. >> thank you, it's like a little school house rock on saturday afternoon here on msnbc. perry, if mitch mcconnell does make a deal, how does he sell that deal in kentucky and the reddest of red states, mind you? >> i think he can and the reason is, like i said, i think any deal he signs on to will be a deal 100, 120 house republicans will sign to. he's not going sign a deal by himself and he'll sign a deal that's acceptable to some conservatives and mitch mock connell has a h

. they are sayingnodeal. presidentobamacomingback to d.c. to fix what he broke in the first place. two solid years to deal with it. this is a gimmick, the flying back from hawaii to do this. nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he wa

nodeal? presidentobamakeepstalking about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years, we're doing that every five months when it comes to the deficit. $100 billion more person month that we spend over what we take in. you have to have bigger cuts on the table to get republicans to come along. >> we're only paying for 40% of what we spend today. it's interesting to see and what the futures are doing right now. very thinly traded at this hour on a friday evening it would be interesting to see and what they signal in terms of where we stand, now that we've heard from the president and some sort of modest optimism from both leader reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> tyler, we want to go back to eamon javers. >> you just said when will we hear now from the president again? nbc news is tweeting that barack obama will appear as a guest on "meet the press" this weekend. when we will hear from the president again will be sunday morning. something to watch out for over the weekend. presumably, we'll get incremental details on what this deal is. as this is negotiated throughout frid

sort of agreement. a potential headache. not on the horizon forpresidentobamabecausehehasadealwith,you know what i am going to say, those two words, he is meeting with congressional leaders at 2:00 p.m. let me bring in senator kay bailey hutchinson. given how both sides of the aisle are acting, senator, are you proud of your fellow lawmakers and how they are handling the nation's business as you get ready to exit? >> well, the best part of what you just said is my exit. [ laughter ] >> it is pretty depressing, honestly, to watch all the posturing. however, you know, i continue to believe that everybody understands that the fiscal cliff would be too huge a burden on american families. therefore, i hope so much that when they meet this afternoon, even though it is a photo off and probably now not progress to be made that minute that they will make in agreement to come up with something that they can at least try to us of the double republicans and democrats can vote for. that is the only way we will be able to pass anything or either house. dagen: what did your fellow republica

now. >> merry cliff-mas, everybody. five days left and stillnodeal. presidentobamacuttingshort his annual vacation in hawaii to deal with the fiscal cliff. no sight of congressional leaders. they're not in town. investors getting a little bit nervous. will congress get it together in time? no talks that we know of are imminent. it was by at least one measure, the weakest holiday retail sales growth since the financial crisis back in 2008, but could a post-christmas holiday sales bounce be around the corner? >>> and what a year it has been for tech. gadgets and gizmos. apple, facebook, microsoft all have big news. will 2013 be a lucky year for the sector? which tech titans might lead the new trends? simon hobbs is in at the new york stock exchange. >> good afternoon. when president obama arrives back in d.c., can he prevent america falling over the fiscal cliff? house republicans haven't yet called their members back to washington. our chief political correspondent, john harwood, is with us. john, this feels very much like it might be the calm before the storm in more way than o

for theholidays,obamaurgedcongress to come up withadealbeforethe christmas break. many spent today navigating the parking lots of packed stores and shopping malls for final gifts. some had a really good reason for hitting the stores in these final hours before christmas. >> i have a baby that is due christmas morning. so i came out here to do some last-minute shopping. it is tough to shop during the holidays, especially right before christmas because, again, you miss out on deals. >> a recent poll found 132 million people had not finished their holiday shopping and 26 million had not even began. many retailers will be open christmas eve late to accommodate them. the pope spoke in a number of languages today in vatican city. he encouraged people to look beyond the materialistic side of christmas and wish people unhappy and gracious christmas. after a rough start, smooth sailing for several holiday travelers. but could that change? >> we have a little bit of rain and snow in the seven-day forecast. 28 degrees at the airport, but still near 40 degrees in the city. oh, you have a keuri

tax hikes don't go in to effect.presidentobamaonfriday saying he would acceptadealaslong as it does not allow taxes to go up on middle class americans, as long as it extends unemployment insurance and lays the groundwork for deficit reduction in the future. so there's sort of scaling back their expectations. house speaker boehner tried to get an alternative bill passed through the house last week. that failed. the focus shifts to the senate. reid and mcconnell will really be charged with trying to hammer out the fine details of that deal that can make it through the senate and through the house so that is the challenge moving forward. of course, president obama here in hawaii for his christmas cray case. he played some golf over the weekend. also, attended the memorial service for the late senator daniel inouye. thomas, on a much lighter note, he asked me had i taken my flip flops out last hour. i hadn't but i did since my work is wrapping up for you guys, flip flops are out and i'm ready to join those folks on the beach behind me. >> i'm very proud of you. i don't want t

. the real condition here is willpresidentobamamakeanewdealforany deal that could be gotten done. >> i just tweeted that out, you nailed, it eamon. lots of finger-pointing an complaining and sour grapes going on and very little in the way of compromise talk. thanks very much. continue to monitor the situation and get back to you, if we need to. >> in the meantime, what does all this wringling. >> and harry reid going at it with senator mcmcconnell. we'll talk to outgoing kay bailey hutchison and get her take. what is she hearing? will we get a deal or not. >> also ahead, does the tax code untearily penalize investors over borrowers. someone here says absolutely, and he warned it's going to get worse once we go over the clip. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male

. >>presidentobamablamedrepublicans. >> they say the biggest priority is making suretheydealwiththe deficit in a significant way. they are behaving in a way that they're only priority is that the tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. blacks mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. -- >> mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. >> can the senate veteran help congress tumble to a deal on the last day? >> if we do go off the fiscal cliff, congress would be more likely to make a deal. members could claim they are cutting taxes. >> thank you. if america does fall off the fiscal cliff on the first of the year, maryland would be hit hard. hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs lost. >> we have a lot of federal workers and businesses that rely on the federal government. many are watching the negotiations closely. if partisan politics prevail and they cannot reach a deal, americans in maryland will burden will -- will be burdened. legislativent of observances had a report about what the impact would be. if we fall off the fiscal cliff. maryland wi

, the spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff.presidentobama, hecut his christmas vacation shorttodealwiththis crisis. he arrived back from hawaii just a short time ago, and the senate also returning to work today hoping to come up with some kind of agreement. but time is running out. jessica yellin, she has the latest from the white house. we've got dana bash following the developments on capitol hill. i want to start off with you, dana. what do we know about a possible compromise on the senate siepd what they might be proposed in fairly short order? >> compromise, i'm not so sure we'll see that. but i was told by a republican senator and democratic senator that the pr indicated before he left for hawaii that he, the president, is expected to send a piece of legislation up today with his scaled back tax plan. that's something that the president outlined in general terms on the friday before he left for hawaii and since then what we've been hearing from republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell's office is we can't talk about whether we can pass anything until we actually see the leg

christmas, congress and the white house will have to starttodealwithwhatpresidentobamacalledthe real consequences of going over that fiscal cliff. >> nobody can get 100% of what they want. and this is not simply a contest between parties in terms of who looks good and who doesn't. there are real world consequences to what we do here. >> a short-term deal won't just focus on tax rates. the end of the payroll tax cut and the impact of the hike in the minimum tax on january 1st. over the weekend, we did hear from some republican moderates who say it may in fact be time to make some kind of a move. >> the president's statement is right, no one wants taxes to go up on the middle class. i don't want them to go up on anybody. but i'm not in the majority in the united states senate and he's the president of the united states. >> now the focus shifted to mitch mcconnell. the senate taking the lead on a compromise with democrats, and something that can get some support among house republicans. carl? >> hampton, thank you very much. hampton pearson in washington. >> the gift that keeps on givin

republicans claimbarackobamafavors.>> it's obvious the president wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: on "meet the press," president obama blamed republicans. >> they say their biggest priority is dealing with the deficit, but the way they're behaving is their only priority is making sure taxes don't go up on the rich. >> reporter: the senate minority leader says -- >> i'm willing to get this done. but i need a dance partner. >> reporter: enter vice president joe biden, called by mcconnell. can the senate veteran help congress stumble to a deal on the last day? if not, and we do go off the cliff, congress could be more likely to make a deal and quickly, because then lawmakers could claim they voted to cut middle class taxes. i'm steve handlesman, news4, capitol hill. >> if nothing else, it looks like there will be a deal to keep the price of milk from skyrocketing. leaders have agreed to a one-year ex-tense of the 2008 farm bill that expired in october. the deal will avert a spike in milk prices to as much as $8 a gallon. but it has to come to a vote in the house and sen

-term fiscalcliffdealdone.weheardpresidentobamaonfriday handed what we might call a bare bones plan c ahead of january first. extension of the bush tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less and an extension of unemployment benefits. while it could be a quick turn-around from that hawaiian vacation for president obama and congressional leaders, expectations they could be back in washington later this week, all eyes now on the senate where republicans are split on whether it's possible to make a deal with the obama white house. >> the president's statement is right. no one wants taxes to go up on the middle class. i don't want them to go up on anybody. i'm not in the majority of the united states senate. he is the president of the united states. >> when i listen to the president i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years. and he gets to blame republicans for

negotiations are going no where. >>presidentobamamaynot have gotten a fiscalcliffdeal, butkeeping up the media pressure this sunday morning with an interview op"meet the press." we'll take a look. >>> from the david petraeus scandal to the trayvon martin tragedy. the media's performance in 2012, we'll have a report card. i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources." >>> it was a striking moment when david gregory brandished that high ammunition magazine last sunday so much so we played it on this program. but that braumpted a d.c. police whether he violated the city's gun laws, one controversy that they fuind under assault. and eric who blogs about the media for "washington post." simple question, eric, should david gregory be prosecuted? >> well, i think he should be investigated. i'll leave that up to the prosecutors. but i definitely do believe unlike greta van susstrn and unlike you. >> and the "wall street journal" page. >> it turns out the district of columbia and lawmakers decided that any magazine in excess of ten rounds is a danger to the p public. >> you don't see this a

adjourned andpresidentobamaoutof town, erme lawmakers today talked about a lastminutedeal. >>my own belief is what we ought to do is take speaker boehner's last offer, the president's last offer, split the difference. that would be a package of about $2.6 trillion. you couple that with the 1.1 trillion already done. that would be close to the $4 trillion we need to stabilize the debt and begin to bring it down. >> i would vote for revenues, including tax rate hikes even ugh ih i don't like them, to get a-- to save the country from becoming greece, tax rate hikes are part of the solution driven by the president. but he's going to get tax rate hikes. ratey republican colleagues, if we can protect 99% of the american public from a tax hike that is not a tax increase in my books. >> glor: with christmas just two nuys away last minute gift buyers are out. today shopper track said raturday was the busiest day of the holiday season behind black friday. r wever a cut in spending % recast from 3.3% of growth this year to 2.5%. parts of the u.s. will get a white christmas or more. tcheer stor

. >> nine days remain to getthedealdone.house speaker boehner is in ohio.presidentobamainhawaii. >>> today we say aloha to an american hero, the late senator daniel inouye was remembered with full military honors in hawaii. the 88-year-old senator lost his arm in world war ii, he represented hawaii in washington for more than 50 years. president obama and the first lady attended today's service. the president has said inouye was his earliest political inspiration. >>> many gun shop owners say sales have been booming recently. some link that to concerns the president may impose new restrictions on firearms. thousands of north texans visited local gun shows and stores this weekend where the most powerful weapons are costing more than ever. a gun dealer told our affiliate wfaa that an assault-sometime weapon like an ar-15 a week ago ran around $900. this week anywhere from diagnosis 1,500 to $2,500. in just a few minutes my conversation with a gun shop owner, several former police officers and a school safety expert who says the current call for bringing guns into schools for safet

on the phone in a few minutes. >>> unfortunately,wedealwithincompetent. this afternoonpresidentobamawhimwil set down with congressional leaders at the white house for a last ditch effort to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. the hope is both sides can agree to a compromise to prevent the economy from sliding back into recession. judging from the rhetoric on capitol hill, there's a long way to go. here's the day on the hill. >> if we go over the cliff we'll be left with the knowledge that could have been prevented with a single vote in the republican-controlled house of representatives. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the e

'll have a massive sell-off? what do you think? >> well, i think the market's been very fearful thatadealwouldnot get done for some time, but you see, in this market, it fell down after obama got reelected, but then it's been working its way back up. the fact is that i think a deal will get done and the key part is avoiding incomes under 250,000 and that's probably what they're going do. >> why is that market participant or are you speaking politically there? >> no, i'm speaking as a market participant because the spending for income for people under 250,000 in income is an important economy and that part of the economic spectrum and what they have in their pocket affects what they spend. >> and i get your point. we're a consumer-driven economy. broadway an kelly, your assessment about what happens if we don't get a deal? what happens in the markets? >> i think you saw it this morning and it looked like we're doing a full cliff dive and the market started to tank. i agree with the consumer. look at the consumer con if ied thens morning and that was driving this economy. we had consumer

tomichelleobama." whata great idea. i wish you the best of luck with this book and merry christmas. >> merry christmas. >> thanks so much. >>> ahead on "starting point," eight days left to make a deal. does president the obama want to go off the cliff? why some say that's been the plan all along. we will talk to grover nor kwift, president of americans for tax reform top of the hour. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. shareable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. hurry in for a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geic

to domestic programs. democrats, of course have no intention of doing that. especially afterpresidentobamawonthe election. senate democratic leadership aide tells me that will remains a 50/50 chance we will get a mini deal temporary extension of tax cuts under $250,000 before the january 1 deadline when we would go over the cliff. will are no assurances of that. a white house official told me as president obama prepares to fly back to conduct and participate in the negotiations at the end, there has been no progress over the holiday weekend. michelle, i'm afraid that people who are looking for a deal and looking for a deal by december 31, all hope is not lost. it is not looking good at the moment. >> let's go back to this hitting the debt ceiling on monday. we learned of this because treasury secretary tim good night mother sent a letter to the honorable harry reid majority leader. and that's where he outline it is fact that in three business days, the summit government is going to run out of borrowing capacity. john, if there were a treasurer in a business who went to their boss and sai

boehner andbarackobamaandmany people who know these two men feel perhaps they could haveadeal. wethink to the budget and debt ceiling debacle. neither john boehner and to some degree mitch mcconnell have the ability to go back to their caucuses and get them to rally behind a deal they make. has that changed or does this change as we get closer to the deadline? >> i think it will change closer to the deadline. it will require the leaders to talk to their caucuses and talk to these individual members of the senate and the house of representatives and understanding and underscoring the peril we place in the country at this moment in time and that we have to resolve these issues. american people should not count on a stalemate. we're here to do our jobs in washington and we're seeing this failure demonstrated time and again because of ideological and political and philosophical stubbornness. what about the entire country? what about the good of the country? that's what's at stake for america, and i think that members of congress individually and collectively are responsible and the l

. seinfeld. >> seinfeld. >> all right.presidentobamameetswith top congressional leaders this afternoon with time running out to avoid the cliff. the house will be back in session on sunday to try to deal with the issue. we haven't had enough time, you know, two years. when is the last time we had a budget? >> harry reid was just -- wasn't he great yesterday talking about mitch mcconnell and the republicans? no budget. >> and more than 14,000 longshoremen could go on strike this weekend because of a contract dispute. a walkout would close cargo ports. some estimates say a strike could cost the economy $1 billion a day. which would add up. it would kind of counteract the 85 billion. but bernanke is doing 2 billion a day, right? >> more. >> 2.5, yeah. so that would take away -- we could easily rachet it up. unless the printing presses overheat at that point. let's check on the markets this morning. the futures were indicated lower based on angst. there it is worse. it was down 40 earlier, not out 62. they were down 150 at one point. came back down to 18. we're somewhere. >> between there.

obamachargedhim and the majority leader to come up withadealtotroy to avoid falling over the fiscal cliff. want to bring in brian monroe, editor of cnn politics.com from san antonio, texas. brian, we all know what's at stake, especially that immediate 2% payroll tax increase in everyone's first paycheck of the year. it seems that the president used his bully pulpit to strongly encourage senators to get to work by sending a not so veiled message to themand their constituents. let's listen. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait till the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. the economy's growing. but sustaining that trend is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. >> o'brien, as we mentioned, you'

's in both sides' best interest to get this done. they want atwo-yeardealbecauseno one wants to keep running on this stuff. and most importantly, to president obama, he has a state of the union and an inauguration speech to give. he wants to work on his legacy, not on this. >> so what -- you just said that the republicans really did just play right into the hands of the democrats. is that what you said? >> well, i think they fumbled the ball a little bit in their negotiations. i think, for example, even the optics of it, having president obama back in washington today, and having congress still out, is not the right message to end. people right now feel that the republicans are the party of no, that they are the ones causing this, they are going to get blamed. the fact of the matter is, is that they are doing the fiscal responsible thing here and that's where they can hang their hat. is that they have to hold on for deficit spending, and they still have the debt ceiling to hold in their back pocket if they need to. >> so what would, if you had been advising boehner, what would you ad

be a messy 2013. >>anydealislikely to be limited. explain what that means. >> we've been hearing about the talks with president obama and speaker boehner athat they were looking at the grand bargain that would include tax increases and changes to social security, changes to medicare, cuts in defense spending potentially as well. we're talking $3 to $4 trillion in changes over years. now it's going to be modest and that may include changes to the tax code. but they're going to have to come back in 2013 no matter what and talk about changes in med sare and social security and address the debt ceiling as well. host: these are two comments and they reflect the frustration in the country. how is the bickering back and forth solving anything fplgt all government spending should be on the table for spending reform. and the other viewer says obama and the other i had yots until the white house are doing what they do best, talk. guest: right after the election we heard them say the election is behind us, we can put down our swords and get down to doing the country's business. that evaporated wi

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