But you are in position to get a LB every year, whether you're at 12, or 32.

You don't get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant every year.

Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:53 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Phins Rock wrote:

But you are in position to get a LB every year, whether you're at 12, or 32.

You don't get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant every year.

If you think players like McClain ever make it past 10.. Then you are mistaken IMO. We will be LUCKY if he falls to us. But, I think very highly of McClain. I like Bryant... and I wouldn't be super pissed if we took him with McClain on the board. But, I think McClain will prove to be a staple on a defense for a long time.

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Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:23 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

I agree. I love McClain. I think he's just as good if not better a ILB than Bryant is a WR. I'm just saying you can get LB's a lot more easily than you can get a top flight WR.

It's a moot point though as neither will be there at 12.

Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:25 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

I hope this is just a good argument to have between taking Bryant or McClain as if EITHER is there for the Fins pick, life will be good, but as good as both these guys are, you know other teams picking ahead of us feel the same way.

If Denver trades Marshall or plans to trade him, I think they will take Dez Bryant.

Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:16 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Finhead wrote:

I hope this is just a good argument to have between taking Bryant or McClain as if EITHER is there for the Fins pick, life will be good, but as good as both these guys are, you know other teams picking ahead of us feel the same way.

If Denver trades Marshall or plans to trade him, I think they will take Dez Bryant.

You'd think, but how many people thought Quinn would slip to the Dolphins? How many people thought Miami would take him if he did? With all the players Denver signed at RB during the offseason, they went ahead and drafted a RB with their first pick last season.Point is, just because it's logical doesn't mean a team will do it.

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Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:16 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

I've read some reports, can't remember where of course, comparing CJ Spillar to Julius Jones... if that's the case... no thanks. I don't watch enough college football to know if this comparison is fair... but I'm not a huge JJ fan and I'd hate to waste the #12 pick on a guy like that.

Bryant is a fine talent, but like has been mentioned, plenty of top tier receivers come out every year. It's silly to say that it's "hard to get a top tier WR in the draft"... that's not true at all. Mario Manningham, Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks are all looking pretty good in NYG... and that's just one team.

If McClain is there we almost have to go with him. We need inside linebacker help desperately, and it's not like our offense didn't put up points last year. We were 15th in the league with 22.5 points per game.

Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:21 am

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.

Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:29 am

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

jammer wrote:

Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.

Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:43 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

hypocritex wrote:

jammer wrote:

Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.

Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.

No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:33 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Iowafin wrote:

hypocritex wrote:

jammer wrote:

Gut feeling is beginning to tell me that both McClain and Bryant will be off the board when Miami picks. Bryant may surprise and go very early and almost every team in the top ten would consider the total package McClain brings and what he could do to energize a defense.

If I'm Miami, I'm strongly considering the Dansby option to solve the ILB situation and planning on either Dan Williams at NT or Brandon Graham as an OLB. I'm starting to think Graham will be the most realistic option.

Graham at 12? No thanks on that reach. We ought to be concerning ourselves with how do we get more early picks in this draft.

No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

I love this term "reach"... are they still considered a "reach" if they end up being a superstar?

Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:01 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Iowafin wrote:

No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

Interesting. I have heard over and over how this may be the most talented draft in years.

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:16 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Rich wrote:

Iowafin wrote:

No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

Interesting. I have heard over and over how this may be the most talented draft in years.

That's what iowa is saying...

Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:18 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Phins Rock wrote:

Rich wrote:

Iowafin wrote:

No...we really shouldn't. Not a top heavy draft at all...talent drops off after pick 3, and everything after is very deep.

Interesting. I have heard over and over how this may be the most talented draft in years.

That's what iowa is saying...

Yes sir.

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:49 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Phins Rock wrote:

I didn't say he was going to be a bust. Even if he pans out, it's still the wrong way to go, IMO. We can get a CJ Spiller next year, and maybe for cheaper.

But you are in position to get a LB every year, whether you're at 12, or 32.

You don't get a chance to grab a Dez Bryant every year.

Not if McClain turns out to be another Patrick Willis, which he probably isnt but...

Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:44 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

Iowafin wrote:

Finhead wrote:

I hope this is just a good argument to have between taking Bryant or McClain as if EITHER is there for the Fins pick, life will be good, but as good as both these guys are, you know other teams picking ahead of us feel the same way.

If Denver trades Marshall or plans to trade him, I think they will take Dez Bryant.

You'd think, but how many people thought Quinn would slip to the Dolphins? How many people thought Miami would take him if he did? With all the players Denver signed at RB during the offseason, they went ahead and drafted a RB with their first pick last season.Point is, just because it's logical doesn't mean a team will do it.

OH my logic can be subjective to perception

Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:46 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

IamPZ wrote:

I've read some reports, can't remember where of course, comparing CJ Spillar to Julius Jones... if that's the case... no thanks. I don't watch enough college football to know if this comparison is fair... but I'm not a huge JJ fan and I'd hate to waste the #12 pick on a guy like that.

You mean Felix Jones?

Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:48 pm

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Re: Bryant or McClain?!?!?!

ggippo wrote:

Phins Rock wrote:

I didn't say he was going to be a bust. Even if he pans out, it's still the wrong way to go, IMO. We can get a CJ Spiller next year, and maybe for cheaper.