ShawnDoc:Good luck, I don't see the rights holders allowing them to do it.

Meyer would likely have a problem with it, but the film rights are with the production company. It'd be their call, not her's, and I don't know that they particularly care whether they make fun of it. It's free press, an audience that otherwise wouldn't see it, and they get paid an assload of money, so it's all roses for them.

I kinda wish they wouldn't do RiffTrax Lives for riffs fans have probably seen 10 times over at this point. Sure there's something to be said about enjoying it with a theater audience (it did add to the experience the few times I went) but if they could do one of the newer Twilights that would be a must see.

bborchar:Having the rifftrax for that movie was the only way I could stomach that rubbish movie. I loved the way they made fun of Kirsten Stewart. Would love to see this live if they could pull it off.

Yeah, I saw the first one and another one that I can't remember the name of that way, made them tolerable. I also got dragged to the final one. I really missed the Rifftrax guys with that one.

NeoCortex42:yukichigai: Seriously, been watching at least one episode a day on average. I was worried it might have been a little bit of the Rose-Tinted Glasses of Nostalgia, but not at all. Still awesome.

It does hold up pretty well. Although I do find the host segments a lot more tedious than I used to, especially the SciFi years.

Yeah, the SciFi bits can be pretty bad, at least when they aren't directly related to the movie itself. That's the SciFi channel though, demanding that there be a weekly advancing plot and completely missing the point of the show.

I've found though in general that the bits relating to the movie they were watching itself are almost without exception hilarious. Almost anything where Mike Nelson shows up as some character from the film has me giggling several times.

yukichigai:NeoCortex42: yukichigai: Seriously, been watching at least one episode a day on average. I was worried it might have been a little bit of the Rose-Tinted Glasses of Nostalgia, but not at all. Still awesome.

It does hold up pretty well. Although I do find the host segments a lot more tedious than I used to, especially the SciFi years.

Yeah, the SciFi bits can be pretty bad, at least when they aren't directly related to the movie itself. That's the SciFi channel though, demanding that there be a weekly advancing plot and completely missing the point of the show.

I've found though in general that the bits relating to the movie they were watching itself are almost without exception hilarious. Almost anything where Mike Nelson shows up as some character from the film has me giggling several times.

yukichigai:NeoCortex42: yukichigai: Seriously, been watching at least one episode a day on average. I was worried it might have been a little bit of the Rose-Tinted Glasses of Nostalgia, but not at all. Still awesome.

It does hold up pretty well. Although I do find the host segments a lot more tedious than I used to, especially the SciFi years.

Yeah, the SciFi bits can be pretty bad, at least when they aren't directly related to the movie itself. That's the SciFi channel though, demanding that there be a weekly advancing plot and completely missing the point of the show.

I've found though in general that the bits relating to the movie they were watching itself are almost without exception hilarious. Almost anything where Mike Nelson shows up as some character from the film has me giggling several times.

I prefer the episodes from the SciFi years because the writing was basically perfected by that point. It also seemed like they had a better selection of movies. The continuity requirements of the host segments did kill most of the enjoyment of those. Not to mention Pearl is nowhere near as fun as Dr. F and Frank.

Just a quick correction to subby's headline: RiffTrax reached it's goal in 90 minutes! I was checking it in real time. (Don't look at me like that -- my job starts next Monday, so I'm allowed to waste some time now.)

Ceiling Moran:Just a quick correction to subby's headline: RiffTrax reached it's goal in 90 minutes! I was checking it in real time. (Don't look at me like that -- my job starts next Monday, so I'm allowed to waste some time now.)

They've already riffed the first four movies in the series, so I don't see why a live event would be that much harder to get rights to do, but it would be expensive, which is probably why they tested the waters of Kickstarter.

I bought three Cinema Titantic movies and enjoyed them. I wouldn't say I like them as much as the Rifftrax movies but they had some good jokes and I've run out of Rifftrax movies to buy, and am relying on the VoD movies. I have pretty much all of the boxed sets or the equivalent in single movies or downloads.

Just keep on giving me more great old bad old movies. I'm sure they haven't done everything I own yet, let alone everything possible. They're no longer restricted to really bad movies. They did a good job on several popular movies with silly plot holes (there's no end of those) and dumb lines.

NeoCortex42:I prefer the episodes from the SciFi years because the writing was basically perfected by that point. It also seemed like they had a better selection of movies. The continuity requirements of the host segments did kill most of the enjoyment of those. Not to mention Pearl is nowhere near as fun as Dr. F and Frank.

Pearl did seem a bit more just outright evil rather than "ha ha right evil" like Dr. F was. Kind of detracted a bit from the whole thing.

And yeah, I know what you mean about the writing. Seasons 4 and 5 were like that with Joel if you ask me, for the same reason: the team were so comfortable with each other that it was hard for the jokes NOT to flow. There was a minor little hiccup when things switched from Joel to Mike, but around the time they decided to stop the Invention Exchange (which didn't play to Mike's strengths) everyone was comfortable with each other again.

Still, I can't really think of a BAD episode of MST3K, save for one or two good movies that got mixed in there where I found myself more interested in the film than the riffing. Space Travelers was one, although hardly surprising given that it won an Academy Award in its original incarnation as Marooned.

On a related note, I really love almost any Godzilla/Gamera/Mothra/etc. movie, but find the riffing only adds to the experience, unlike something like Marooned.

brantgoose:They've already riffed the first four movies in the series, so I don't see why a live event would be that much harder to get rights to do, but it would be expensive, which is probably why they tested the waters of Kickstarter

They don't have to get any rights cleared for the mp3 downloads of the films. Actually arranging showings of the film as part of an event is an entirely different issue.

yukichigai:Still, I can't really think of a BAD episode of MST3K, save for one or two good movies that got mixed in there where I found myself more interested in the film than the riffing. Space Travelers was one, although hardly surprising given that it won an Academy Award in its original incarnation as Marooned.

There are a few that are so incredibly boring, the riffing barely makes it tolerable. Off the top of my head, Red Zone Cube and Skydivers fall into that group.

brantgoose:They've already riffed the first four movies in the series, so I don't see why a live event would be that much harder to get rights to do, but it would be expensive, which is probably why they tested the waters of Kickstarter.

I bought three Cinema Titantic movies and enjoyed them. I wouldn't say I like them as much as the Rifftrax movies but they had some good jokes and I've run out of Rifftrax movies to buy, and am relying on the VoD movies. I have pretty much all of the boxed sets or the equivalent in single movies or downloads.

Just keep on giving me more great old bad old movies. I'm sure they haven't done everything I own yet, let alone everything possible. They're no longer restricted to really bad movies. They did a good job on several popular movies with silly plot holes (there's no end of those) and dumb lines.

More, more, more, more, more.

They don't have the rights to the movies they riff, they're technically just releasing audio tracks that you can choose to play simultaneously with the movie. The live shows have been the exception, but those have been cheap/public domain.

NeoCortex42:brantgoose: They've already riffed the first four movies in the series, so I don't see why a live event would be that much harder to get rights to do, but it would be expensive, which is probably why they tested the waters of Kickstarter

They don't have to get any rights cleared for the mp3 downloads of the films. Actually arranging showings of the film as part of an event is an entirely different issue.

yukichigai: Still, I can't really think of a BAD episode of MST3K, save for one or two good movies that got mixed in there where I found myself more interested in the film than the riffing. Space Travelers was one, although hardly surprising given that it won an Academy Award in its original incarnation as Marooned.

There are a few that are so incredibly boring, the riffing barely makes it tolerable. Off the top of my head, Red Zone Cube and Skydivers fall into that group.

NeoCortex42:There are a few that are so incredibly boring, the riffing barely makes it tolerable. Off the top of my head, Red Zone Cube and Skydivers fall into that group.

Now that you mention it, Lost Continent was pretty bad. 60 minutes of rock climbing for 15 minutes of crappy "man-eating" dinosaurs who, even when the movie was originally made, were known to be herbivores. The dinosaur parts were riffed pretty well, but nothing could make that rock climbing good.

On the opposite side of things, Outlaw of Gor reaffirmed my belief that John Norman and everything he has ever remotely touched is crap and should be mocked until dead.

Maybe I'm just getting older and crankier, but I'm finding myself much less interested in riffs on popular films that everyone knows are dreck (Twilight, Transformers, Star Wars Ep 1, etc) and much more interested in Rifftrax's efforts to continue the work of MST3K by digging up cheesy movies no one's ever heard of and riff on those instead.

If you go on their site and check out some of the films they've got available, there are some real awful titles like Buffalo Rider, Future Force and Santa vs the Ice Cream Bunny, all of which are much more entertaining than any of the Twilight films. (Cinematic Titanic is also much more focused on these forgotten films.)

I realize that riffing on popular or legendary films is part of how Rifftrax gets attention to bring new people into the fold, and I embrace that. I quite enjoyed the original Twilight riff. But after the Razzies yesterday and this today, I'm just sort of sick of the "Twilight is so awful teehee" line of joking. Isn't it far more fun to mock something bad that was TRYING to be good? (Or at least passable)

secularsage:Maybe I'm just getting older and crankier, but I'm finding myself much less interested in riffs on popular films that everyone knows are dreck (Twilight, Transformers, Star Wars Ep 1, etc) and much more interested in Rifftrax's efforts to continue the work of MST3K by digging up cheesy movies no one's ever heard of and riff on those instead.

If you go on their site and check out some of the films they've got available, there are some real awful titles like Buffalo Rider, Future Force and Santa vs the Ice Cream Bunny, all of which are much more entertaining than any of the Twilight films. (Cinematic Titanic is also much more focused on these forgotten films.)

I realize that riffing on popular or legendary films is part of how Rifftrax gets attention to bring new people into the fold, and I embrace that. I quite enjoyed the original Twilight riff. But after the Razzies yesterday and this today, I'm just sort of sick of the "Twilight is so awful teehee" line of joking. Isn't it far more fun to mock something bad that was TRYING to be good? (Or at least passable)

After a point it becomes a moral imperative to mock things until the people who made those things realize they are bad and feel bad. Twilight is one of those cases.

secularsage:Maybe I'm just getting older and crankier, but I'm finding myself much less interested in riffs on popular films that everyone knows are dreck (Twilight, Transformers, Star Wars Ep 1, etc) and much more interested in Rifftrax's efforts to continue the work of MST3K by digging up cheesy movies no one's ever heard of and riff on those instead.

Also I agree with this 100%. CT filled that need nicely, but now that they've gone on indefinite hiatus I would really like RiffTrax to do some dog-awful never-heard-of-it films. The only problem is that CT released the films in their entirety, whereas RT is just a downloadable mp3. A lot of the charm of CT (and MST3K) was that some of these movies couldn't be found damn near anywhere, and often for a very good reason.

yukichigai:secularsage: Maybe I'm just getting older and crankier, but I'm finding myself much less interested in riffs on popular films that everyone knows are dreck (Twilight, Transformers, Star Wars Ep 1, etc) and much more interested in Rifftrax's efforts to continue the work of MST3K by digging up cheesy movies no one's ever heard of and riff on those instead.

If you go on their site and check out some of the films they've got available, there are some real awful titles like Buffalo Rider, Future Force and Santa vs the Ice Cream Bunny, all of which are much more entertaining than any of the Twilight films. (Cinematic Titanic is also much more focused on these forgotten films.)

I realize that riffing on popular or legendary films is part of how Rifftrax gets attention to bring new people into the fold, and I embrace that. I quite enjoyed the original Twilight riff. But after the Razzies yesterday and this today, I'm just sort of sick of the "Twilight is so awful teehee" line of joking. Isn't it far more fun to mock something bad that was TRYING to be good? (Or at least passable)

After a point it becomes a moral imperative to mock things until the people who made those things realize they are bad and feel bad. Twilight is one of those cases.

I agree with this, but also feel compelled to mention that they riff on certain films (Casablanca, The Dark Knight) that I thoroughly enjoyed as well. I honestly like a mix of obscure and popular, because thanks to Twilight Rifftrax, say, I know what the f--k my cousins are going on and on about. No way in hell I'd watch it otherwise.

Basically the popular movie Rifftrax are like The Daily Show / Colbert Report / The Soup to me, in that the laughter eases the pain and *then* some, and damn do I appreciate them for it.

The Great EZE:I kinda wish they wouldn't do RiffTrax Lives for riffs fans have probably seen 10 times over at this point. Sure there's something to be said about enjoying it with a theater audience (it did add to the experience the few times I went) but if they could do one of the newer Twilights that would be a must see.

I was genuinely surprised how much new material they used for Manos live, but Birdemic seemed to be pretty close to what I've heard clips of already (hadn't seen the original riff from start to finish.)

Also: a reminder of the list of potential replacements if Summit won't sell the rights:

Hagbardr:NeoCortex42: brantgoose: They've already riffed the first four movies in the series, so I don't see why a live event would be that much harder to get rights to do, but it would be expensive, which is probably why they tested the waters of Kickstarter

They don't have to get any rights cleared for the mp3 downloads of the films. Actually arranging showings of the film as part of an event is an entirely different issue.

yukichigai: Still, I can't really think of a BAD episode of MST3K, save for one or two good movies that got mixed in there where I found myself more interested in the film than the riffing. Space Travelers was one, although hardly surprising given that it won an Academy Award in its original incarnation as Marooned.

There are a few that are so incredibly boring, the riffing barely makes it tolerable. Off the top of my head, Red Zone Cube and Skydivers fall into that group.