#raspberrypi IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-03-20

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[0:01]* BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[0:01]* scorphus (~scorphus@CAcert/User/scorphus) has joined #raspberrypi[0:01]* PiBot sets mode +v scorphus[0:02]<OneFix_Work> Or even saying that "there has been another unexpected delay" ... that would be enough to keep people informed, yet not place blame on anyone[0:02]<shirro> Perhaps Apple legal have shut them down for having a fruity name, for duplicating the look and feel of the Steve Jobs reality distortion field, and taking the air out of the iPad 3 launch.[0:03]<lee> you're on the right lines, their next product was going to be the PiPad...[0:03]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Read error: No route to host)[0:04]<OneFix_Work> Yea, we all know that Apple got sued several times for their name :)[0:04]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[0:04]* PiBot sets mode +v chris_99[0:04]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:04]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[0:04]<lee> just think of the geek-on-geek violence there's going to be when they do finally ship. it'll be like the london riots all over again[0:04]<OneFix_Work> And, unlike the rPi, there is indication that their name really was "stolen"[0:11]<shirro> As long as they haven't delayed while Fedora is fixed. Could take years.[0:12]<OneFix_Work> lee: Nah, the smart ones will sell their boards on eBay and just wait for production to level out[0:16]<shirro> lee: yes, one day we will look back on the great geek riots of 2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw[0:18]<lee> lol =)[0:19]* Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:21]* Dimacus (~kvirc@31-192-205-246.customer.universal.se) Quit (Read error: No route to host)[0:21]<lee> iirc my farnell confirmation said estimated delivery in the middle of may, hopefully that will turn out to be wrong and they'll have millions in stock by then[0:21]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:22]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[0:22]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:22]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[0:26]* Dimacus (~kvirc@31-192-205-246.customer.universal.se) has joined #raspberrypi[0:26]* PiBot sets mode +v Dimacus[0:26]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: No route to host)[0:27]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:27]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[0:27]<OneFix_Work> lee: Right now there are people that had estimated ship dates for this week, so if their orders don't ship, it's likely that everyones orders are getting pushed back.[0:28]* Threepio_ (~Threepio@mail.blinkmediaworks.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:28]* PiBot sets mode +v Threepio_[0:28]<lee> the initial batch is a special case though[0:28]* Threepio (~Threepio@mail.blinkmediaworks.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[0:28]* Threepio_ is now known as Threepio[0:29]* shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) Quit (Quit: shirro)[0:29]<des2> Where are the PIs?...[0:29]<des2> Where are the PIs??...[0:29]<des2> Where are the PIs???...[0:30]* gardenguardian00 (~gardengua@173.208.232.102) has left #raspberrypi[0:30]<lee> who ate all the pi? the chinese factory when they switched components, that's who.[0:31]* R` (~RHA@ip7.j-k.kund.riksnet.nu) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[0:32]* fasdfasd (~hvkkg@213.240.225.18) has joined #raspberrypi[0:32]* PiBot sets mode +v fasdfasd[0:32]* fasdfasd is now known as tyoooo[0:32]* iccanobif (iccanobif@host249-121-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()[0:33]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[0:33]* victhor_ (~victhor@177.98.139.138) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:33]* danieldaniel (~danieldan@unaffiliated/danieldaniel) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[0:33]* victhor_ (~victhor@177.98.139.138) has joined #raspberrypi[0:33]* PiBot sets mode +v victhor_[0:33]* danieldaniel (~danieldan@unaffiliated/danieldaniel) has joined #raspberrypi[0:33]* PiBot sets mode +v danieldaniel[0:34]* FireFly (~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly) Quit (Ping 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skript[0:41]* wjoe (~joe@lc8n.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:41]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[0:41]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[0:41]* bikcmp (~jason@defocus/stripper/nakedwanker) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[0:41]* theCole (~cole_gill@remotezv.zeit.de) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[0:41]* bikcmp_ is now known as Guest39317[0:41]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:41]* PiBot sets mode +v uen|[0:41]* zabomber (~zabomber@gateway/tor-sasl/zabomber) has joined #raspberrypi[0:41]* PiBot sets mode +v zabomber[0:42]* SkoZombie (~quassel@60-240-15-173.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:42]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[0:42]* PiBot sets mode +v chod[0:42]* a5m0 (~Arc@unaffiliated/a5m0) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:43]* Threepio (~Threepio@mail.blinkmediaworks.com) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[0:43]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[0:45]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:45]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[0:45]<mkopack> hey gang[0:45]* mkopack_ (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:45]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack_[0:45]* mkopack_ (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit)[0:46]* Threepio (~Threepio@mail.blinkmediaworks.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:46]* PiBot sets mode +v Threepio[0:46]<mkopack> Des you around?[0:46]<mkopack> des2 ??[0:48]* SkoZombie (~quassel@60-240-15-173.tpgi.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[0:48]* PiBot sets mode +v SkoZombie[0:48]* sjoxx (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[0:48]* PiBot sets mode +v sjoxx[0:48]* sjoxx (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Client Quit)[0:49]* sjoxx (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined 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known as iMatttt[1:03]<passstab> mkopack : hi :P[1:03]<mkopack> heya pass[1:03]<mkopack> 'sup?[1:04]* shirro (~shirro@ppp102-6.static.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:04]* PiBot sets mode +v shirro[1:04]* shirro (~shirro@ppp102-6.static.internode.on.net) Quit (Changing host)[1:04]* shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) has joined #raspberrypi[1:04]* PiBot sets mode +v shirro[1:04]<passstab> i don't have a rpi :'([1:05]<mkopack> None of us do.. :([1:05]<des2> The PI is a lie...[1:06]<victhor_> I don't need PI.[1:06]<victhor_> I need e.[1:06]<passstab> :'([1:06]<mkopack> lol[1:06]<victhor_> "Blueberry e"[1:06]<passstab> lol[1:07]<passstab> yea pi as a number is what made me hate trig[1:07]<shirro> passstab: that is a bit irrational[1:07]* ringz (~mgc_1955@cpc16-cove11-2-0-cust716.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:07]* PiBot sets mode +v ringz[1:09]<passstab> yes[1:09]<passstab> it tok till i saw that vihart vid for me to know[1:10]* ringz (~mgc_1955@cpc16-cove11-2-0-cust716.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has left #raspberrypi[1:10]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) has joined #raspberrypi[1:10]* PiBot sets mode +v Laogeodritt[1:11]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[1:17]<des2> Vihart the Tau lover![1:21]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:21]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:21]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[1:22]<passstab> Tau Tau Tau !!!![1:22]<passstab> cherry tao !!![1:22]<des2> Go enjoy your Raspberry Tau.[1:23]<passstab> s/2Tau/Tau[1:23]<mkopack> cherry Cobbler[1:24]* genbattle_ (~quassel@203-114-137-9.wir.sta.inspire.net.nz) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:25]* felgru_ (~felgru@xdsl-78-35-219-103.netcologne.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:30]<Mookman288> Adafruit has a 5V2A charger.. and some pretty nice solar panels[1:30]* zhoeon (~fc@74.198.165.98) has joined #raspberrypi[1:30]* PiBot sets mode +v zhoeon[1:31]* DoubleV (doublev@warhead.gonecritical.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[1:32]<Mookman288> But they take like 10 hours to charge, lol[1:32]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[1:32]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[1:32]* kallisti5 (~kallisti5@discord.unixzen.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[1:33]* merlin1991 (~merlin@merlin1991.at) has joined #raspberrypi[1:33]* PiBot sets mode +v merlin1991[1:33]* merlin1991 (~merlin@merlin1991.at) Quit (Changing host)[1:33]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) has joined #raspberrypi[1:33]* PiBot sets mode +v merlin1991[1:34]<mkopack> links?[1:35]<Mookman288> http://www.adafruit.com/category/67[1:35]<Mookman288> 6v2w330mA[1:37]<des2> Don't like adapters with fake CE logos.[1:37]<mkopack> Adafruit sells a lot of interesting stuff[1:37]<Mookman288> The only charger I could find at a B&M was 500mA or less[1:37]<mkopack> They're supposedly looking at making "Pi dishes" (like Arduino Shields) for the Rpi[1:38]* skilz (~skilz@unaffiliated/skilz) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[1:38]<des2> Maybe they should make RPis themselves[1:39]<des2> No point making shields if there are no PIs[1:39]<passstab> :'([1:39]<mkopack> yeah, well, they're in the same boat as us - need Pi's to finalize their designs[1:39]<Mookman288> They also have a 5.25V1A adapter[1:39]<SpeedEvil> It's stupid.[1:40]<SpeedEvil> There should be a way for hw devs to get stuff.[1:40]<mkopack> At least the obviously reputable ones.. yeah[1:40]<passstab> yea[1:40]<passstab> tho this kinda IS the one for them[1:40]<mkopack> I *thought* that was going to be the point of them making the 100 beta boards??? which turned into only 20 beta boards, 10 of which got ebay'ed[1:40]<shirro> They should have limited the first orders to devs. Media center buyers could come later.[1:40]<passstab> being beta and all[1:41]<mkopack> they created a monster by posting those htpc videos[1:41]* DoubleVTF (doublev@warhead.gonecritical.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:41]* PiBot sets mode +v DoubleVTF[1:41]<mkopack> that got people excited[1:42]<shirro> a porn player in every pocket[1:42]* koda (~vittorio@host174-212-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Quit: koda)[1:43]<mkopack> I have that already.. it's called a smartphone...[1:43]<passstab> i wouldn't have bought one if there wasn't the deal with rs and the other one[1:43]<mkopack> WTF do I need an RPi for that? Then I'd have to carry a charger + cable + keyboard /mouse...[1:44]* skilz (~skilz@1.157.21.190) has joined #raspberrypi[1:44]* PiBot sets mode +v skilz[1:44]<shirro> mkopack: You will go blind looking at that little screen[1:44]* skilz is now known as Guest93855[1:44]<SpeedEvil> I have a kindle.[1:45]<SpeedEvil> I read far more books on my phone.[1:45]* koda (~vittorio@host174-212-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[1:45]* PiBot sets mode +v koda[1:45]<SpeedEvil> Simply as I can adjust the brightness _way_ down - and I don't have to screw with the lights to read it at night.[1:46]<passstab> hi koda[1:46]<koda> hi & gnight ;)[1:46]* koda (~vittorio@host174-212-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Client Quit)[1:47]* PSR_B1057 (~PSR@triband-mum-120.62.166.132.mtnl.net.in) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:48]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002129174088.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:48]<mkopack> ugh, I really need to get a new desk chair for at home.. this one is horribly uncomfortable, especially when the dog wants to sit on my lap.. chair isn't big enough[1:48]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[1:49]* merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991) has joined #raspberrypi[1:49]* PiBot sets mode +v merlin1991[1:49]<des2> Yeah it doesn't make sense that people will be carrying a RPI around as a portable computer since they need a KB & mouse[1:50]<shirro> That never stopped lan parties[1:51]<mkopack> yeah,it's stupid. all these people insisting they can "make a portable computer" aren't realistic - they need a battery, some way to charge said battery, a screen, backlight some sort of input capability, a case to hold it all together??? You're going to spend more to build that than a damn Nook Tablet or something like that would be to buy and hack[1:51]<mkopack> shirro: Sure, but that's a special case situation??? and I don't carry my machine around every day[1:52]<mrdragons> Eh, being realistic sometimes isn't the best way to learn things[1:52]<mkopack> yeah, true...[1:53]* Guest39317 is now known as bikcmp[1:53]* bikcmp (~jason@fr-vshn1.net.irondust.net) Quit (Changing host)[1:53]* bikcmp (~jason@defocus/stripper/nakedwanker) has joined #raspberrypi[1:53]* PiBot sets mode +v bikcmp[1:54]<shirro> Surely the point is that kids can carry their Pi home for homework or take it to a friends to work on their multiplayer game design.[1:54]* DoubleV (doublev@warhead.gonecritical.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:54]* PiBot sets mode +v DoubleV[1:54]* DoubleVTF (doublev@warhead.gonecritical.com) has left #raspberrypi[1:55]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[1:55]<mkopack> sure??? THAT makes sense[1:56]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:56]* PiBot sets mode +v uen|[1:56]<victhor_> building your own stuff is more fun :P[1:56]<victhor_> more expensive most of the times, but what's the fun in going to a online store and clicking a few buttons?[1:56]<mkopack> but there's tons of people insisting on hooking up lcd touch screens, battery packs, etc. to try to turn them into tablets[1:57]<shirro> mkopack: might not be so dumb if you live off the grid. There are people around here who do that as a deliberate lifestyle choice. Then you have boats and remote areas.[1:58]<SpeedEvil> It's dumb.[1:58]<SpeedEvil> There are lots better ways to do low energy computing.[1:58]<victhor_> MSP 430![1:58]<SpeedEvil> Well - no.[1:58]<victhor_> ok, it's weak, but it's low power![1:58]<victhor_> :P[1:58]<des2> MPS 430 - the computer powerable by grapes.[1:59]<SpeedEvil> But your average smartphone will use less power than the pi - with a display, and with CPU semi-active.[2:00]<mkopack> exactly??? they keep trying to build something that will be slaughtered by something they can BUY for a lot less money and will work a lot better[2:00]<mkopack> I'm all for the fun of building something, but not when it's going to cost more and do less[2:00]<SpeedEvil> I plan to possibly use it for a prototype.[2:01]<SpeedEvil> Of a netbook, that will later get a Pandaboard or similar[2:01]<mkopack> sure[2:01]<SpeedEvil> But it's not simple to get to a state where it'll work simply.[2:02]<shirro> Well I don't think solar power and lcds are dumb because some people live alternative lifestyles. They are as dumb as a composting toilet if you live in suburbia.[2:04]<victhor_> I take that building such a device will at least educate you on embedded system design[2:06]<SpeedEvil> Solar power and LCDs are not dumb. It's dumb if that's your reason for making a system based around Pi - as there are better options.[2:06]<victhor_> I don't seem to find the point in solar powered portable devices[2:06]<mkopack> Well, like I said, I don't have a problem with somebody trying to make an low power off-grid "desktop"???. trying to make your own tablet out of the Rpi is just???. eh??? seems pointless to me[2:06]<victhor_> my phone sits inside my pocket (dark) most of the time[2:06]* tsenyk_ (nicolauz@83.133.126.252) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[2:07]<SpeedEvil> I note my calculations of the size of the solar panel to power reliably a Pi where I am.[2:07]* tsenyk (nicolauz@83.133.126.252) has joined #raspberrypi[2:07]* PiBot sets mode +v tsenyk[2:07]<SpeedEvil> The whole system weighs maybe 40Kg.[2:07]<SpeedEvil> And needs a 250W solar panel.[2:07]<SpeedEvil> And will still probably die one or two nights in winter.[2:07]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2680.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[2:10]* Winslow (Winslow@c-98-223-104-33.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:10]* PiBot sets mode +v Winslow[2:10]<shirro> SpeedEvil: where are you?[2:11]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@248-128.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[2:12]<SpeedEvil> Scotland.[2:12]<SpeedEvil> The numbers aren't very different for most of the UK though[2:12]<SpeedEvil> (Above is to keep the Pi powered 24*7 at 2.5W)[2:14]* KrimZon_2 (~krimzon2@super.duper.reetleet.org) has joined #raspberrypi[2:14]* PiBot sets mode +v KrimZon_2[2:14]<shirro> Ok, I am in Australia in a semi-arid area. Solar is a very practical technology here.[2:16]<SpeedEvil> In various parts of .au - from numbers I remember - it'd go to more like 30W worst-case.[2:16]<des2> Do you have solar powered Bagpipes ?[2:17]* sjoxx (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)[2:17]* KrimZon_2_ (~krimzon2@super.duper.reetleet.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[2:18]* mrdragons (~lucas@c-98-204-135-73.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[2:18]* zabomber (~zabomber@gateway/tor-sasl/zabomber) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:20]<shirro> In Scotland couldn't you just burn chip fat to power your Pi?[2:21]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB2394.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:21]* PiBot sets mode +v uen|[2:21]* mkopack is writing the archlinux image to a 16GB SD card...[2:22]<mkopack> wish there was a Gentoo build to try as well[2:22]* jzaw (~jzaw@macbook.dzki.co.uk) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[2:23]<shirro> mkopack: that isn't really the point of gentoo is it?[2:23]<mkopack> well, you need something to start from??? right? A Stage 1 or something[2:24]<mkopack> No reason for ALL of us to go through the long hell of compiling up at least the stage 1[2:24]<mkopack> just to all get basically the same thing[2:24]* mrdragons (~lucas@c-98-204-135-73.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:24]* PiBot sets mode +v mrdragons[2:24]<shirro> I thought there was a build: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/distributions/gentoo-arm-on-rasbpberry-pi-hard-float[2:26]<mkopack> yeah, but I don't see a link to DL the build anywhere in that thread[2:26]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:27]<mkopack> (I've never really done anything with Gentoo and only understand a little about it, so I could be wrong??? )[2:27]<Mookman288> SpeedEvil: Couldn't you charge a battery, and when complete, then use it for the rPI?[2:28]<Mookman288> You wouldn't need a lot of sun, just a lot of time.[2:28]<mkopack> did they put up a new version of the Fedora image? what I'm seeing on the downloads page looks like it's the old one[2:28]<mkopack> I thought they pulled it recently due to issues[2:29]<Henchman21> a kernel/initrd that has pivot root and like squashfs or something to boot read only base rootfs a menu to choose which image, for root, a single writable root partition (per image) /rootfs/writablerootfs.gentoo/[2:30]<Henchman21> overlay[2:30]<mkopack> ok, WTF does that MEAN though? LOL[2:30]<SpeedEvil> Mookman288: yes. The total amount of energy needed doesn't change though[2:31]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)[2:32]<Henchman21> means mount rootfs.img / read only and mount wrtiable overlay to / for changes[2:33]<mkopack> guess I need to do a lot more reading before I even consider Gentoo[2:33]<mkopack> I just started reading Linux From Scratch 7.1 last night.[2:34]<shirro> Henchman21: Sounds like something out of Openwrt.[2:34]<Henchman21> yea[2:34]<mkopack> Maybe I'll make that my project for next week while I'm on Spring Break -try to get through the LFS instructions to build my own Linux[2:35]<Henchman21> i find debian buildroot easier for well... building a root[2:36]* area (~area@unaffiliated/area) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[2:37]* area (~area@adr34.clare.cam.ac.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[2:37]* PiBot sets mode +v area[2:39]* AlcariTheMad (~alcari@shaggy.unixbsd.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[2:40]* ppo2 (~ppo2@199.15.113.24) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[2:42]<Mookman288> SpeedEvil: Trickle charge[2:44]<SpeedEvil> Doesn't change the total energy required.[2:44]<shirro> Mookman288: You still have an energy deficit on those long northern winter nights[2:45]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@209.116.63.10) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[2:46]<SpeedEvil> Problem is more the days actually.[2:46]<SpeedEvil> On many days the panels do not exceed 10% of nominal output, ever.[2:48]<shirro> 10% - wow. You live on the Orkneys or something?[2:49]<shirro> Wouln't a wind turbine make more sense?[2:52]<des2> They keep him in a Dungeon in a Castle.[2:56]<mkopack> If I had the $$$$ I'd TOTALLY set up a solar + small wind farm on my property??? 1/2 of my backyard is under the big power lines, and has a lot of brush, so I don't bother mowing it. I could totally turn that area into power generation and sell it all back to GaPower[2:56]<mkopack> but it would cost like $100K to build it out fully[2:57]* rodrigorcm-afk (rodrigo.rc@189.27.102.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[2:58]<Mookman288> and you wouldn't really see that return any time soon[2:59]<mkopack> yeah, I know, that's the other thing[2:59]<mkopack> esp when I REALLY want to move the F outta this house soon[2:59]* AlcariTheMad (~alcari@216.24.194.130) has joined #raspberrypi[2:59]* PiBot sets mode +v AlcariTheMad[3:00]* jmontleon (~jmontleon@c-76-19-35-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Done)[3:01]* jmontleon (~jmontleon@c-76-19-35-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:01]* PiBot sets mode +v jmontleon[3:05]* ppo2 (~ppo2@199.15.113.24) has joined #raspberrypi[3:05]* PiBot sets mode +v ppo2[3:06]* tsenyk (nicolauz@83.133.126.252) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[3:07]* jmontleon 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year-round in europe or what[5:03]<Thorn_> its called FOOTBALL[5:04]<hotwings> i live in the us, so its called soccer[5:05]<des2> In the winter they play it with a big snowball.[5:05]<hotwings> sounds like fun[5:07]<des2> Not when you try a header.[5:07]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit ()[5:09]<hotwings> if i just read correctly, euros play soccer 9 months out of the year. was wondering cuz every time i see an issue of Nuts, theres always a ton of soccer pictures in the back -- like the season is never-ending[5:09]* genbattle (~quassel@203-114-137-9.wir.sta.inspire.net.nz) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[5:11]<des2> I never make it to the back cover of Nuts.[5:11]* phenethylo_J (~phenethyl@pool-71-243-231-163.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:11]* PiBot sets mode +v phenethylo_J[5:11]* phenethylo_J (~phenethyl@pool-71-243-231-163.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) has left #raspberrypi[5:12]<hotwings> does that magazine actually go to print over there?[5:13]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:13]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[5:13]<mkopack> ok, how the F do you use an RPM inside of Ubuntu???[5:13]<des2> With the appropriate package unpacker.[5:14]<des2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RPM/AlienHowto[5:14]<mkopack> found somethign[5:14]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5ac9ad28.bb.sky.com) Quit ()[5:16]<mkopack> ARGH[5:16]<mkopack> (Ok, no offense) I swear I HATE how Linux people write documentation...[5:17]<nelson> you mean with our keyboards?[5:17]<mkopack> they never EXPLAIN anything, they just assume you understand the cryptic crap they write[5:17]<mkopack> and then they get pissed off when you ask Newb questions...[5:17]<mkopack> (nothing against you guys here...)[5:18]<des2> Newb![5:18]<mkopack> These directions for the Installer tool for the RPi Fedora[5:18]* _shirro (~shirro@ppp102-6.static.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:18]* _shirro 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serious)[5:25]<des2> Distributors will be starting with a new SD drive.[5:25]<aditsu> if you find yourself trying to install an rpm, you probably did something wrong[5:25]<Tachyon`> yeah, you didn't install debian[5:25]<mkopack> des?[5:25]* _shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) Quit (Quit: _shirro)[5:25]<des2> yes ?[5:25]<aditsu> or gentoo :p or any distro with a decent package manager[5:26]<mkopack> I'm just trying to make it so these 16GB SD cards I bought will be completely used, not just the 1.4 gB or so that the posted system images expand out to[5:26]<mkopack> And I'm running on Ubuntu right now[5:26]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[5:26]<mkopack> Have the card in an SD reader??? It already has the RPi debian image on it (although I CAN blow that away).[5:27]<mkopack> I just don't get how the hell you expand the partition so it will take the remaining space and add it into the partition that / is one[5:27]<mkopack> on[5:27]<hotwings> it really sucks you cant install from usb stick to the sd card on an rpi[5:27]<Tachyon`> err, you can't do that from teh partition you're running from[5:27]<Tachyon`> you'll have to do it with another computer[5:27]* oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[5:27]<des2> One uses a partition expanding utility.[5:28]<Tachyon`> yeah, but you can't expand a partition you've booted from for obvious reasons[5:28]<des2> On another computer.[5:28]<des2> Cause like Tachyon says.[5:28]<mkopack> Tach: I'm not running off the SD card??? I'm in ubuntu on my mac pro[5:28]<Tachyon`> gparted might do it[5:28]<Tachyon`> ahhh[5:28]<Tachyon`> apt-get install gparted?[5:28]<des2> gpartd is good.[5:28]<Ben64> yeah use gparted[5:29]* EiN_ (~einstein@205.233.80.234) has joined #raspberrypi[5:29]* PiBot sets mode +v EiN_[5:29]<Tachyon`> I like it, it's like partition magic but free and doesn't randomly leave disks in an unusable state[5:29]<des2> You should play with and learn about gparted.[5:30]<mkopack> Just ran that??? doesn't seem to give me the option for resizing the partition that has / on it[5:30]<mkopack> (on the SD card)[5:30]<Tachyon`> http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted[5:30]<Tachyon`> hrm[5:30]<des2> Well it's complicated.[5:30]<mkopack> It has a key icon on the line with that drive[5:30]<des2> You have to move partitions then resize.[5:30]<mkopack> And the option isn't enabled[5:31]<Tachyon`> is it write protected?[5:31]<mkopack> ok, maybe that's it, they have a linux-swap partition after the / partition on the SD, and then the 13GB unallocated is after that[5:32]<Tachyon`> oh well, just remove the swap and recreate it after[5:32]<des2> right.[5:32]<des2> You have to have empty space after /[5:32]<des2> to expand it.[5:32]<Tachyon`> mutter[5:32]<des2> You can just move the swap down first[5:32]<Tachyon`> no need to move it and it'll take time[5:32]<mkopack> ok, swap is moved.[5:33]<mkopack> still no option to resize the partition with /[5:33]<des2> Tacyon is right you can just delete it.[5:33]<des2> You don't have the / mounted do you ?[5:33]<Tachyon`> oh of course[5:33]<Tachyon`> ubuntu automounts[5:33]<mkopack> there's the option to unmount[5:33]<mkopack> ah, bet that's it[5:34]<mkopack> ok, got it resized??? Going to make the new swap..[5:35]<mkopack> create as primary or extended partition?[5:35]<des2> primary.[5:35]<Tachyon`> bear in mind it doesn't perform the tasks until you tell it to, it puts them in a queue[5:36]<Tachyon`> and it'll take some time either way[5:36]<mkopack> yup, it's going now[5:36]<mkopack> thanks guys[5:37]<mkopack> That stupid tool with the Fedora image is going to be useless for newbies.. not without a lot better instructions[5:37]<des2> The first 10,000 are not for Noobs...[5:37]<mkopack> des: Yeah, well, explain that to the hordes who ordered them :)[5:37]<des2> They're for people making easy to use tools for noob s[5:37]<mkopack> Or maybe we should say Whores :)[5:38]<piofcube> hordes of the underdark LOL[5:38]<des2> A month after the 10,000 are out they'll be one click Windows tools to make your PI SD.[5:39]<Tachyon`> god knows when I'll get a pi[5:39]<piofcube> des2: more one-click tools than distro I bet :-)[5:39]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.173.61) has joined #raspberrypi[5:39]* PiBot sets mode +v P4R4N01D[5:39]<mkopack> well, that's kinda what got me annoyed. I know Liam Frazier was working on a tool that would work on all 3 main OS's to do it and would resize to fill the whole SD card automatically. Then when the Fedora guys announced that they were doing their installer tool, he abandoned it[5:40]<piofcube> that's a shame[5:40]<mkopack> interesting. The Arch Pi image doesn't set up a swap???.should I add one?[5:42]<piofcube> Am I right in thinking the fedora installer will be Open Source and the source code available for it?[5:42]<mkopack> well, if nothing else I'm learning some stuff I've never done in Linux before[5:42]<mkopack> Up until now the most admin I've done is "Install Ubuntu, update packages, use synaptic to install stuff I needed[5:43]<mkopack> And when it goes boom I say screw it, wipe the virtual machine and start over[5:44]<piofcube> mkopack also, it's easier to backup the VM disk[5:44]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[5:45]<mkopack> yeah, but I usually don't bother with that. I tell Time Machine to skip my VM[5:45]<mkopack> '[5:45]<mkopack> s[5:45]<piofcube> lol[5:45]<mkopack> Otherwise it goes nuts with every little change[5:46]<mkopack> The new version of Parallels has something that will do something to make snapshots periodically, but I never got around to reading the info on what it does to know how to config it correctly[5:46]<piofcube> I've used parallels before but not to much extent[5:46]<mkopack> I really don't use the Ubuntu VM's much except when I have a class that requires us to do things in Linux??? WAY faster doing it on my local VM than SSH'sing to the school's computer in Philly to do it[5:47]<mkopack> I like it. HELL of a lot better than VirtualBox (which I'm stuck with at work)[5:48]<piofcube> virtualBox is okay... not bad for some stuff but I prefer an actual install on an actual machine.[5:48]<piofcube> can't really say more than "ok" though lol[5:49]<mkopack> well, that's one of the reasons I wanted the Pi - figured it's a lot easier to learn how to admin a linux box on that. If it goes boom, no biggie[5:50]<piofcube> yeah.. I'm waiting to use the actual Pi... 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No info what so ever for ages.[8:32]<Gallomimia> :)[8:35]<unreal-dude> before you all get your PIs, somebody is going to build something similar and be shipping it! o.O[8:39]<weuxel> Yep. No info on the rpi page, RS sends email of no value and farnell says nothing at all and my order there is pending since release and did not change in the slightest.[8:39]<weuxel> It sucks.[8:39]* unreal-dude works on a name[8:40]<unreal-dude> :p[8:40]<ShiftPlusOne> unreal-dude, nobody would be stupid enough to build something similar within the same price range.[8:40]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[8:41]<unreal-dude> hey, if it ships! :P[8:41]<ShiftPlusOne> there are already plenty of alternatives, they just cost 10 times more.[8:41]<ShiftPlusOne> well maybe not 10, but yeah.[8:41]<unreal-dude> lol[8:41]<unreal-dude> so does a PI if you find it on ebay :P[8:42]* Threepio (~Threepio@S0106001f5b009dd8.vs.shawcable.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[8:42]<ShiftPlusOne> yup[8:42]* Threepio (~Threepio@S0106001f5b009dd8.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:42]* PiBot sets mode +v Threepio[8:43]* iccanobif 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and i'll wait to afford the nVidia GTX 680 video card that should be out this week :)[8:54]<unreal-dude> tough choices....[8:54]* oberling (~oberling@brln-4d0c2a79.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[8:57]<Gallomimia> none of them are tough[8:57]<Gallomimia> something to play games with. something to change the world with. which is better?[8:57]<unreal-dude> ok, lifes a bitch.... :P[8:58]<unreal-dude> video cards are more than gaming devices these days :)[8:58]* matthiasb (~matthias@e213-198.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) has joined #raspberrypi[8:58]* PiBot sets mode +v matthiasb[8:58]<unreal-dude> the video card will have more effects in the coming decade than anything has imo :)[8:59]<Gallomimia> i think the concept of openCL is already born and that's what will have the effects[9:00]* gabriel9|work (~quassel@92.241.143.37) has joined #raspberrypi[9:00]* PiBot sets mode +v gabriel9|work[9:00]<weuxel> But THAT video card could perform the numbercrunching which folds the proteine that is needed for curing cancer ;-)[9:00]<unreal-dude> im talking about being the biggest contributor to super computing and where that is about to take us[9:00]<unreal-dude> yes, mine could :)[9:00]* davros (~davros@71-87-211-32.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi[9:00]* PiBot sets mode +v davros[9:01]<unreal-dude> assuming i remember to start the software.... :P[9:01]<Gallomimia> what's the most powerful price per performance device that can be found on the shelves of most any store or in many homes around the world?[9:01]<Gallomimia> computing clusterable device[9:02]<weuxel> Like the old 3dfx commercial... we build a chip that could cure the sick, bring peace to the world.... but... we used it for games :-D[9:02]<unreal-dude> lol[9:02]<Gallomimia> games sell chips. not cures to the entire world[9:02]<Gallomimia> diseases to the entire world is what sells for billions.[9:03]<unreal-dude> DARPA is funding some super computing thing pushing for ExaFlop power and suggesting that it be powered by a yet to be developed self aware OS...[9:03]<Gallomimia> good idea.[9:04]<unreal-dude> all made possible by developments in chips made only for, in the beginning, games...[9:04]<Gallomimia> if the world ended tomorrow and you among some twelve others survived the apocalypse nearby wherever-you-are what devices would you look for to serve as a compute server when your plans first required heavy cpu power?[9:05]<unreal-dude> 12 others you say?[9:05]<Gallomimia> heavy use, locally powered cluster of ______[9:05]<Gallomimia> a random small number[9:05]<unreal-dude> ah, i wouldnt worry about it :P[9:05]<Gallomimia> you're holed up at a building of choice within a day's work of here[9:06]<Gallomimia> you want to gather some computers to calculate something you're building shortly after securing water supplies, shelter, and enough food to survive[9:06]<unreal-dude> also, depends on the computing task[9:07]<Gallomimia> heavy amounts of data through a series of integer and floating point calculations. the fp instructions operating on fp data and likewise for integers[9:07]<Gallomimia> lots of it. i dunno[9:07]<unreal-dude> usually, i would just use a video card, but it may be harder to find the software that supports doing it or developing more software that allows for it[9:07]<Gallomimia> most integer calculations are loop counters, comparisons, and text analysis aren't they?[9:08]* zabomber (~zabomber@gateway/tor-sasl/zabomber) has joined #raspberrypi[9:08]* PiBot sets mode +v zabomber[9:08]<Gallomimia> you're going to write the software yourself[9:08]<Gallomimia> whatever it is you're doing, you've got no software to do it[9:08]<unreal-dude> oh, i am? all of it?[9:08]<Gallomimia> and limited access to networks[9:08]<unreal-dude> then, i'll jsut give up[9:08]<Gallomimia> automated repositories... a few[9:09]<Gallomimia> maybe there's someone who can program something in your limited group of survivors[9:09]<Gallomimia> you want to find him the hardware and build a cluster for it to run[9:09]<unreal-dude> developing software has alot of software requirements that its unlikely to find on random PCs[9:10]<Gallomimia> what? anything running linux will have it[9:10]<piofcube> I think one important thing to have under the circumstances you suggested would be some form of searchable database provided by CDC or similar with image recognition to automatically search and compare camera shots of skin diseases etc...[9:10]<Gallomimia> it's just going to run some loops on a large set of data[9:10]<unreal-dude> yea, linux, better hope you got a software repo somewhere :)[9:11]<Gallomimia> unreal-dude: such a repo will probably continue to run on a working network connection for several weeks[9:12]<Gallomimia> i'm sure other parts of the world have had their own little clusters of survivalists who can possibly access telecommunications equipment of some kind.[9:12]* Magoggles (~kvirc@c211-30-210-147.thorn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has 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something that uses a lot of power to run, mirite?[9:15]<unreal-dude> hrm, around here? i know 1 person with a ps3 :P[9:16]<piofcube> unreal-dude: that's because they are all stuck in a vault in cheyane mountain ;-)[9:16]<unreal-dude> heh[9:16]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[9:16]* PiBot sets mode +v The_Ball[9:17]<Magoggles> wow just checked the lead time on element14 and its up to 143 days now heh[9:17]<unreal-dude> didnt that mostly get locked out by patches?[9:17]<piofcube> lol... it's getting to be like those x number of days since an accident...[9:18]<unreal-dude> its been x days since you inquired, and its x^x days till you get it![9:18]<Magoggles> lol[9:18]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[9:18]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[9:19]<Gallomimia> .c 1+1[9:19]<Gallomimia> what does your bot do?[9:19]<Gallomimia> PiBot: Hi[9:19]* MystX (~MystX@49-50-247-177.a.hd.net.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[9:19]* PiBot sets 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I tried to order an R-Pi today and the day before... the day before that I tried three times... I can give up... I can quit anytime I want... ;-)[9:24]<weuxel> OOOOHHHHH MY GOOOOOOD!!! THE LIZARDMEN ARE COMMING!![9:25]<unreal-dude> by that timer, openCL powered skynet will have killed us all[9:25]<weuxel> Yeah with the power of your video card i guess.[9:25]<unreal-dude> right after killing all of the lizard men :P[9:25]<unreal-dude> o crap[9:26]<piofcube> But CUDA will protect us, surely?[9:26]<unreal-dude> well[9:26]<unreal-dude> its just as likely to be a CUDA power Skynet[9:26]<piofcube> true[9:27]<unreal-dude> that one has a more power efficient plan[9:27]<unreal-dude> :P[9:28]<unreal-dude> like 2.5MW for 2.5 cabinets (as their plan goes) that each provide 400PedaFlops of computing power...[9:28]<piofcube> or OpenCL and CUDA start a massive war against each other and us humans get wiped out as we get caught in the "crossfire"[9:28]<unreal-dude> lol[9:28]<unreal-dude> what a sli way of putting it :P[9:28]<piofcube> :-)[9:29]<unreal-dude> we would die of being cut off from our internet lives as the bandwidth would be taken up for a virtual war[9:29]<weuxel> Then they make peace and start a machine society feeding on the bodyelectricity of humans..... till the one comes[9:30]<unreal-dude> always wondered what powered skynet! :P[9:30]<unreal-dude> and why they were rounding ppl up :)[9:31]<unreal-dude> anyways, good night[9:32]<piofcube> I thought someone would make something of the fact that on the matrix, they used a Duracel battery when Neo was told about the true fate of humans... 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Lord_DeathMatch[11:40]* techman2 (~gj@121.209.129.135) has joined #raspberrypi[11:40]* PiBot sets mode +v techman2[11:41]<techman2> evening all[11:41]<shirro> evening[11:41]<techman2> how are you tonight shirro?[11:41]<shirro> still waiting[11:41]<techman2> I'd get used to that if I were you..[11:41]<shirro> you?[11:42]<techman2> yeah ok[11:42]<techman2> what's the latest?[11:42]<aditsu> evening... *checks location*.. mate :)[11:42]<shirro> i'm tracking my not-a-raspberry-pi arm dev board. just left memphis[11:42]<techman2> oh cool, what did you order?[11:42]<haltdef> panda?[11:42]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:43]<shirro> no - too hot here for a panda. don't want to burn the house down :-)[11:43]<shirro> just an i.mx53 qsb[11:43]<techman2> very good[11:43]<shirro> cortex a8, 1Ghz, 1G ram[11:43]<techman2> what's your plan for it?[11:43]<shirro> SATA[11:44]<aditsu> $150? oh...[11:45]<shirro> arm desktop to play and a chroot on it in which I will build play raspberry pi distros[11:45]<techman2> sounds good[11:46]<techman2> still planning on getting a pi?[11:46]<shirro> yeah, I will build a armv6 hardfloat system from scratch on it. will be nicer with the extra cpu and ram and a proper hard drivwe[11:46]<shirro> techman2: several if they every decide to sell any[11:46]<techman2> yeah[11:46]* _inc (~inc@unaffiliated/-inc/x-0498339) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[11:47]<techman2> wonder what x86 cpu it would compare to?[11:47]<shirro> nothing that currently sells I imagine[11:48]<techman2> no I wouldn't have thought so[11:48]<techman2> I know x86 performance pretty well so I need to use that to get an idea of comparable performance on ARM[11:48]<shirro> the panda might give an atom a fright.[11:48]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[11:49]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[11:49]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac[11:49]<techman2> yeah[11:49]* 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using my wifes ancient ubuntu desktop. not sure who made the screen. It is ok. hdmi input might be useful :-)[11:55]<aditsu> a simple hdmi to dvi should work for connecting the pi to a dvi monitor, right?[11:55]<aditsu> hdmi to dvi adapter*[11:56]<techman2> yes, will be fine[11:56]<techman2> no name monitor shirro?[11:56]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[11:57]<shirro> No it has a name. I got a gamer keyboard so I can sit here in the dark so I can't see what the name is[11:57]<techman2> backlit keyboard eh[11:57]<techman2> any good to use?[11:58]<shirro> Think it might be a benq or something. Wife got it at officeworks. Yeah the keyboard is better than the old thing though I am no keyboard snob.[11:58]<aditsu> heh I remember some russian was trying to make some advanced keyboards for $1500[11:58]<shirro> Got spoilt with the macbook. Can't handle not having backlit keys[11:58]<techman2> aditsu: they're in production now.[11:58]<aditsu> techman2: are they?[11:58]<techman2> aditsu: Optimus Maximus keyboard.[11:59]<techman2> yes, check out thinkgeek[11:59]<aditsu> oh yeah, Lebedev[11:59]<techman2> yep.[11:59]<shirro> I have small kids. My old ASUS laptop has half the keys torn off and the power socket replaced by wires soldered onto the board[11:59]<aditsu> whoa, >2000$[12:00]<techman2> shirro: most people don't care about keyboards. I don't get that myself, keyboard gets used so much.[12:00]<shirro> but is diminishing returns above a certain level[12:01]<techman2> I don't like gimmicks myself[12:01]<techman2> I like a plain keyboard with great feel.[12:02]<shirro> The gamer keyboard appeals to me about as much as ricer cars with glowing lights under them and big car stereos. It is a decent into teenager territory. But I can sit in the dark and not wake the kids up.[12:03]<techman2> yeah, makes sense.[12:03]<techman2> It amazes me that logitech can manage to sell a rubber dome keyboard for more than $100.00 though.[12:03]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:03]* PiBot sets mode +v Gallomimia[12:05]<SpeedEvil> I generally compute under the blankets.[12:05]<aditsu> I usually go for the cheapest keyboard with a decent layout, no weird stuff and brand I heard of[12:05]<shirro> The keyboard is blue under my Ubuntu login and a magenta color for the wife.[12:05]<SpeedEvil> At the moment, I'm typing in bed, with my eyes closed, under the blankets.[12:05]<aditsu> sure you are[12:05]<techman2> SpeedEvil: you know the boogieman is on the internet now too, don't you?[12:06]<SpeedEvil> aditsu: I could supply pics, but won't.[12:06]<SpeedEvil> aditsu: As additional context - I have no heating.[12:06]<aditsu> the pics would be all black right? :p[12:06]<SpeedEvil> Or of a head poking out of some blankets[12:07]* M0GHY (~peterholl@78-86-153-55.zone2.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[12:07]<shirro> SpeedEvil: what do you need heating for? Isn't it spring?[12:07]<SpeedEvil> True, it is quite warm in here.[12:07]<SpeedEvil> 9C[12:08]<shirro> I can't get my air conditioner that low unfortunately?[12:08]<SpeedEvil> It was 5C a couple of months ago[12:09]<techman2> it's 24C here.[12:10]<shirro> Sometimes we do get down to 0C in winter and our houses really aren't designed for it.[12:11]<SpeedEvil> -17 out the winter before last[12:11]<techman2> shirro: I guess it's hard to make a house that works well from 0C - 40C temperature range.[12:12]<techman2> SpeedEvil: yikes. where are you?[12:12]* cosh (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) has joined #raspberrypi[12:12]* PiBot sets mode +v cosh[12:12]<shirro> 0C to 50C actually[12:13]<techman2> yes we had a Christmas day a few years back and it was 47C in the shade according to the thermometer.[12:13]<SpeedEvil> techman2: Scotland[12:14]<SpeedEvil> It rarely gets over 25[12:14]<SpeedEvil> 30 is almost unheard of.[12:14]<techman2> SpeedEvil: sounds like Tasmania.[12:15]* victhor_ (~victhor@177.98.139.138) has joined #raspberrypi[12:15]* PiBot sets mode +v victhor_[12:17]<shirro> it isn't too bad here really. mean max temp in March is 28C[12:18]<shirro> I really like tasmania. I thout scotland would be more like the bottom of the south island of NZ[12:19]<techman2> I'm thinking I'd probably like it in tasmania[12:19]<techman2> I'm more of a winter person[12:19]<techman2> dunno how the hell we ended up in perth lol[12:20]<shirro> Me too. It is flat and dry here. The suburu is so sad. It wants to go on a boat to tasmania again[12:20]<techman2> I know the feeling[12:21]<techman2> I used to have some of the best biking roads at our doorstep[12:21]<techman2> now we live in an area that is nothing but flat straight roads.[12:21]<techman2> I can't even see the point in owning a bike here. :|[12:22]<shirro> yeah, holden ownership is inversely proprotional to the number of bends in the roads[12:22]<techman2> lol[12:22]<techman2> same with harleys.[12:22]<shirro> yup[12:22]<techman2> or tractors as we call them ;)[12:23]<shirro> Hope SpeedEvil hasn't suffocated under the blankets[12:24]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) has joined #raspberrypi[12:24]* PiBot sets mode +v wiiguy[12:25]<shirro> Perth must be about due to host a linux conf. I need an excuse to go have a look.[12:26]<techman2> shirro: do your kids have a sandpit in the backyard?[12:26]<SpeedEvil> shirro: Just pondering going back to sleep - can't wake up.[12:27]<shirro> techman2: Our backyard was a sandpit for a few years because of drought. We have weeds now.[12:28]<techman2> shirro: well anytime you feel the urge to see perth, look at your backyard and save your money.[12:28]<techman2> ;)[12:28]<shirro> No, don't believe it. Perth is bigger than Adelaide and full of mining money. Has to be worth a look.[12:29]* M0GHY (~peterholl@188.65.96.15) has joined #raspberrypi[12:29]* PiBot sets mode +v M0GHY[12:29]<techman2> it's alright, I'm just used to living in more lush areas.[12:32]<shirro> Perth has 2.7 times the average yearly rainfall I get here. Imagine how I feel.[12:32]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:33]<techman2> I didn't realise adelaide was so dry[12:33]<techman2> adelaide only gets like 300mm per year?[12:35]<shirro> SpeedEvil: Even ife gets less yearly rainfall than Perth by the look of it.[12:35]<shirro> s/ife/fife[12:36]<shirro> Yeah, we get less than Adelaide. Dryest state in the dryest continent etc, etc[12:37]<techman2> shirro: huh? where are you? I thought you were in adelaide[12:37]* piless (~no@92.40.254.136.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[12:37]* PiBot sets mode +v piless[12:37]<shirro> Nope. On the River Murray near the Vic border.[12:37]<techman2> ah right[12:38]<techman2> you on town or tank water?[12:39]<shirro> both. no water restrictions at the moment. Queensland and northern nsw was covered in water last year and southern nsw and vic this year.[12:39]<shirro> ao we get to drink albury-wodongas effluent[12:40]* theCole (~cole_gill@remotezv.zeit.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[12:42]* piless (~no@92.40.254.136.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:43]* techman2 (~gj@121.209.129.135) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:45]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) Quit (Quit: Sto andando via)[12:46]<aditsu> heh, I just got "Error establishing a database connection", I thought we were supposed to never see these again[12:46]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[12:46]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[12:47]<shirro> is a bit slow isn't it. perhaps they are running a backup[12:47]<ukscone> db errors again :)[12:47]<ukscone> it got a bit weird a couple of nights ago too[12:47]<shirro> backups tend to kill io for a short time[12:48]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[12:48]* PiBot sets mode +v zleap[12:49]<shirro> Is it just me or is it REALLY quiet. The forums are ticking over still but there is something missing[12:50]<ukscone> yup Liz is missing :)[12:50]<ukscone> she hasn't logged in since the 13th[12:51]<ukscone> she's (&eben) are due back thurs/fri i believe[12:51]<shirro> that would be it I guess. she has been good pr[12:52]<shirro> well at least nothing has changed while they were gone.[12:53]<ukscone> yup nothing new[12:54]* Gadgetoid_mbp (~gadgetoid@further.plus.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[12:54]<aditsu> I hope she hasn't died[12:56]<shirro> aditsu: wtf! she hurt her leg. it's not like a palette of raspberry pi fell on her head.[12:56]* tsdedst (~tsdedst@bl16-213-111.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[12:56]* PiBot sets mode +v tsdedst[12:57]<IT_Sean> O_o[12:57]<aditsu> people die from much smaller things :p[12:57]<ukscone> well i did wonder if eben had killed her and was currently hiding the body[12:57]<shirro> not another hans reiser[12:57]<shirro> has eben ever written a filesystem?[12:58]<ukscone> not to my knowledge but he did write java apps so that'll turn anyone nuts[12:58]* techman2 (~gj@121.209.129.135) has joined #raspberrypi[12:58]* PiBot sets mode +v techman2[12:58]<ukscone> s/so/and[12:58]<aditsu> oh noes, I'm a java programmer too[12:59]* piless (~no@94.197.127.115.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[12:59]* PiBot sets mode +v piless[12:59]* piless (~no@94.197.127.115.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[12:59]<ukscone> aditsu: that explains a lot :)[12:59]* piless (~no@94.197.127.115.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[12:59]* PiBot sets mode +v piless[13:00]<aditsu> oh, what is this cleaver doing in my hand?[13:00]<ukscone> redrum[13:00]<aditsu> I think it's trying to tell me something[13:00]<ukscone> he's jonny[13:00]<ukscone> heere's jonny even[13:00]<ukscone> stupid kyboard[13:01]<aditsu> you mean leopard?[13:01]<shirro> those kyboards are slippery[13:01]* hughg (~textual@87.83.30.51) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[13:01]* IT_Sean deducts 10 internets from aditsu for the silly xkcd reference[13:02]<aditsu> IT_Sean duz not liek xkcd?[13:02]* cosh (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7)[13:03]<IT_Sean> It' alright. I just thought that partiuclar one wasn't terribly funny.[13:03]<weuxel> No, not that much.[13:03]<RaTTuS|BIG> PEBLEC?[13:03]<RaTTuS|BIG> PEBLAC?*[13:03]<RaTTuS|BIG> damn fingers[13:03]<drazyl> rawr[13:04]<ukscone> IT_Sean: you are grimpy this morning. did someone put a server rack back in your office?[13:04]<ukscone> ugh fricking keyboard grumpy even[13:04]<aditsu> I thought it was better than the previous 2 or 3[13:05]<shirro> caffiene deficiency?[13:06]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@client-7-215.eduroam.oxuni.org.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[13:06]* PiBot sets mode +v MikeJ1971[13:07]<IT_Sean> ukscone: no. However, i am having a problem with a remote device. Cannot dail into it.[13:08]<ukscone> IT_Sean: get someone at the other end to give it a tap[13:08]<ukscone> or a swift kick[13:09]<shirro> dial the remote hands[13:09]<IT_Sean> I cannt tell a CUSTOMER to give their device "a swift kick"[13:09]<shirro> IT_Sean: they probably already kicked it[13:09]<ukscone> well you could but it might be considered unprofessional[13:09]<IT_Sean> shirro: quite possibly.[13:09]<aditsu> tell them to use a bigger hammer[13:10]<IT_Sean> They would need quite a big hammer. We build our kit pretty well.[13:10]<techman2> fix it with fire.[13:10]<drazyl> have you tried turning it off and on?[13:10]* IT_Sean rolls his yes[13:11]<techman2> hrm[13:11]<shirro> drazyl: this gets really painful when the customer doesn't know what a power switch is[13:11]<techman2> it seems the RDP client in Ubuntu is useless.[13:11]<drazyl> then you reboot the customer[13:12]<IT_Sean> I have a few customers i wouldn't mind rebooting[13:12]<techman2> IT_Sean: I know that feeling.[13:13]<ParadisoShlee> Have they released any stastics for the preorders numbers?[13:13]<shirro> ParadisoShlee: in metric or imperial measurments?[13:14]<techman2> ParadisoShlee: orders range somewhere between lots and heaps.[13:14]<ukscone> they got 3 tons of paperwork[13:14]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-183-102-149.lns14.ken.bigpond.net.au) Quit ()[13:14]<ukscone> so if you assume 4ounces of papers per order you do the math[13:14]<shirro> metric shitloads. whatever that is in imperial[13:15]* vipkilla (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/t-dot-zilla/x-2830497) has joined #raspberrypi[13:15]* PiBot sets mode +v vipkilla[13:15]* rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-kmstjsxmohzmtiwa) has joined #raspberrypi[13:15]* PiBot sets mode +v rodrigo_golive[13:16]<aditsu> over 9000[13:16]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5ac9ad28.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:16]* PiBot sets mode +v ReggieUK[13:16]<shirro> production capacity is falling behind orders at an exponential rate.[13:16]<drazyl> teh averaga ponyz is less than 14.2 handz[13:17]<techman2> the only real number I have heard at all is RS have over 200k expressions of interest[13:18]<shirro> So more that 200k and less than ipad3. in that range somewhere.[13:18]* vipkilla (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/t-dot-zilla/x-2830497) has left #raspberrypi[13:18]* _inc (~inc@unaffiliated/-inc/x-0498339) has joined #raspberrypi[13:18]* PiBot sets mode +v _inc[13:19]<ukscone> and someone in australia order around 1st or 2nd of march and his shipping date is in july[13:19]<ukscone> it was april according to his tweet but is now july[13:19]<shirro> I think we should set up time sharing. We could each have a beta board for a couple of seconds and pass it on.[13:20]<IT_Sean> That sounds like a poor idea[13:20]<ukscone> now that element14 have gone through all the orders[13:20]<IT_Sean> A) it would spend more time moving than being used, and B) some wanker would abscond with it[13:20]<ukscone> i did suggest a could of boards put on the interwebs for people to play with[13:21]<ukscone> s/could/couple[13:21]* IT_Sean just steals shirro's order[13:23]<shirro> What? Oh, was just tracking my non-vapourware ARM SBC. Your welcome to it IT_Sean. 143 days and counting[13:24]<Tachyon`> I'm assuming they'll ramp up production[13:24]<Tachyon`> so it comes in rather less time than that[13:24]<shirro> I assume it will rain puppies[13:24]<drazyl> I want a pony![13:24]<shirro> nope[13:24]<IT_Sean> I want a puppy!!![13:24]<techman2> Element 14 have no clue as to when australians will get their orders filled[13:24]<Tachyon`> ponys kick, puppies have no free will, get a cat[13:24]<weuxel> I like kittens.[13:25]<IT_Sean> I'm a dog person, sorry. Dog > Cat.[13:25]<Tachyon`> you appear to have confused your signs somewhat there -.-[13:25]<IT_Sean> No. I haven't.[13:26]<techman2> they seem to be able to give people who have ordered in other countries ETAs[13:26]<ukscone> guinea pigs > cats & dogs[13:26]<shirro> they taste better[13:26]<IT_Sean> noooooooooooo[13:26]<IT_Sean> little furry poo monsters[13:27]<drazyl> they squeeak funny tho[13:27]<shirro> throw another rodent on the barby[13:27]<piless> Ferrets are best[13:27]<philh> indeed, i've never had any other animal deposit quite so much on me while squeaking to itself as those blasted guinea things[13:27]<IT_Sean> O_o[13:28]<techman2> rabbits aren't much better.[13:28]<techman2> they crap constantly.[13:28]<Tachyon`> rabbits can be trained[13:32]<IT_Sean> Rabbits are cute.[13:32]<Tachyon`> my friend has one that's loose in the house constantly and has never defecated indoors, goes outside to do it[13:32]<shirro> rabbits have a special status. you can think they are cute and fluffy but they still have to be eradicated with extreme prejudice[13:32]* IT_Sean slaps shirro [13:32]<IT_Sean> NO ERADICATING![13:32]<Tachyon`> tame as anything, sleeps near the exaust from his big computer where it's warm, lol[13:32]<techman2> shirro: yes but aren't they mostly hares?[13:32]<shirro> no, seriously. there are native animals here MUCH cuter than rabbits. And the rabbits eat all their food[13:32]* IT_Sean threatens to eradicate shirro [13:32]<techman2> IT_Sean: rabbits have had disastrous consequences on australia's environment.[13:32]<Tachyon`> native to where?[13:32]<Tachyon`> ah right[13:32]<techman2> much like cane toads.[13:32]<shirro> yeah. rabbits are an environmental disaster. you can like them but they still need to be gotten rid off[13:32]<Tachyon`> well at least they don't look super cute then rip your face off when you get near them[13:32]<Tachyon`> yes, I'm looking at /you/ koalas![13:32]<techman2> lol[13:32]<shirro> rabbits, cats, cane toads, pigs, goats, horses,camels, foxes, carp. if it is ferral we have got them[13:32]<techman2> yep.[13:32]* canton7 (~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com) Quit (Excess Flood)[13:32]* poptire (~quassel@64.31.59.70) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:32]<philh> at least their crap's a little more manageable[13:32]* RaTTuS (~Rattus.bi@80.4.146.163) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v RaTTuS[13:32]* stuk_gen_ (~quassel@151.65.25.24) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v stuk_gen_[13:32]* oclet_ (oclet@173.225.25.5) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v oclet_[13:32]* Charlie (~quassel@64.31.59.70) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]<techman2> koalas are awesome[13:32]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:32]* ragna_ (~ragna@e180088157.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:32]<techman2> they're so lazy.[13:32]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:32]* Jettis (~h0h0@a88-112-77-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:32]<Tachyon`> carp? the fish? how can you have a feral fish?[13:32]<piless> Do pet rabbits still eat their own shit? Or is that only in he wild.[13:32]* oclet (oclet@173.225.25.5) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v Charlie[13:32]<IT_Sean> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew[13:32]* Charlie is now known as Guest81313[13:32]* ragna (~ragna@e180088157.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-kmstjsxmohzmtiwa) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:32]* stuk_gen (~quassel@151.65.25.24) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:32]* RaTTuS|BIG (~Rattus.bi@80.4.146.163) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:32]* ponky (ponky@ponky.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:32]<techman2> Tachyon`: carp were introduced.[13:32]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:32]* The_Ball (~The_Ball@122.150.108.38) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* ponky (ponky@ponky.org) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]<shirro> they stir up all the mud and kill everything else. not meant to be here.[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v ragna[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v The_Ball[13:32]<techman2> just like trout.[13:32]<Tachyon`> I'm not suer, it's due to their inefficient digestive system, cows essentially eat their own vomit, hehe, but you drink the fermented product of it[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v ponky[13:32]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:32]* PiBot sets mode +v unkle_george[13:32]* unkle_george (~quassel@nat-wv.mentorg.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:33]<IT_Sean> Dammit people, I just ate breffast.[13:33]* rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-etosuxuaoynkxpzq) has joined #raspberrypi[13:33]* PiBot sets mode +v rodrigo_golive[13:33]<shirro> rabbits have different types of shit. easting the right kind is like a cow chewing its cud.[13:33]* yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[13:33]<techman2> bloody poms bought half their wildlife with them when they came over.[13:33]<techman2> brought even[13:33]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[13:33]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac[13:34]* Jettis (~h0h0@a88-112-77-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[13:34]* PiBot sets mode +v Jettis[13:34]<Tachyon`> and apparently concealed shoes in buildings[13:34]<Tachyon`> there was something on the BBC about that recently[13:34]<shirro> well, the aborigines brought wild dogs and killed off a heap of animals as well.[13:34]* yanu (~yanu@178-117-229-179.access.telenet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[13:34]* yanu (~yanu@178-117-229-179.access.telenet.be) Quit (Changing host)[13:34]* yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) has joined #raspberrypi[13:34]* PiBot sets mode +v yanu[13:34]* PiBot sets mode +v yanu[13:35]* canton7 (~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:35]* PiBot sets mode +v canton7[13:35]<techman2> yeah they reckon once they started to use burning to hunt they seriously changed the landscape.[13:35]<techman2> still, nothing like we do now I guess.[13:36]<jzu> it gets worse with fast transportation - don't get me started on asian hornets in France[13:37]<shirro> Love how PC eduation is. In the draft national curriculum for technology (barely includes IT) they mention indigenous use of IT but never use the term Computer Science once.[13:37]<jzu> they destroy hives[13:37]<IT_Sean> And don't get me started on the french. :p[13:37]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@150-124.dsl.iskon.hr) has joined #raspberrypi[13:37]* PiBot sets mode +v Delboy_[13:37]<techman2> oh the european honeybee was introduced here too.[13:38]<techman2> we have native bees which are much smaller and don't sting.[13:38]<jzu> IT_Sean: but you're English, that's your national sport[13:38]<techman2> lol[13:38]<techman2> football and french hatin.[13:38]<jzu> indeed[13:38]<IT_Sean> jzu: I'm Irish, and i live in America.[13:38]<Tachyon`> lol[13:38]<IT_Sean> But, your point stands.[13:38]<philh> techman2, and wild colonies are actually outcompeting the natives?[13:39]<philh> they're busy dying off in most countries[13:39]<shirro> Well England is just a Norman colony ruled by Germans.[13:39]<Tachyon`> well we know what the french national sport is[13:39]<Tachyon`> arrogance[13:39]<piless> European bees are so much better than asian ones[13:39]<jzu> Tachyon`: I agree[13:39]* Hourd is english and lives in england and hates footbal and likes the french[13:39]<Tachyon`> I hate football and have nothing against the french really[13:39]* philh also hates football[13:39]<jzu> the only serious contender being the English, of course :-)[13:39]<Tachyon`> it's just part of the culture, lol[13:39]<philh> i have nothing much against the french, for the most part[13:40]<IT_Sean> I don't really have a problem w/ the french. ...It's just so much fun to mock them. :p[13:40]<philh> indeed[13:40]<shirro> IT_Sean: oh, so they are like Americans?[13:40]<Tachyon`> haha[13:40]* Matt yawns[13:40]<Matt> morning fols[13:41]<philh> a bit more cowardly, but yes[13:41]<IT_Sean> -.-[13:41]<Matt> Hourd: funny that - 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Temp 57??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 87%, Later 68??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[14:43]<IT_Sean> !w SL75YS[14:43]<PiBot> Not found.[14:46]<philh> looks nice[14:48]* troth (~troth@nat/hp/x-caeffdptaiafnrwo) has joined #raspberrypi[14:48]* PiBot sets mode +v troth[14:51]<aditsu> crap, www.apache.org is [intermitently] down[14:51]<Thorn_> bloody commanche's[14:51]<aditsu> maybe their apache web server can't handle the load ;p[14:54]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-166-139.client.wireless.msu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[14:54]* PiBot sets mode +v johnthebear[14:55]* kalem (~kalem@host185-195-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[14:55]* kalem (~kalem@host185-195-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Changing host)[14:55]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) has joined #raspberrypi[14:55]* PiBot sets mode +v kalem[14:55]* PiBot sets mode +v kalem[14:56]* IT_Sean groans[14:56]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[14:57]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[14:57]* PiBot sets mode +v ukscone[14:59]* mkopack (~mkopack@173-133-36-185.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:59]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[14:59]<mkopack> Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Another day without Rpi info....[15:02]<OneFix_Work> Yea, I'm starting to wonder if something else is going on...[15:02]* philh fetches a roll of tinfoil and begins fashioning hats[15:03]<RaTTuS> a rick roll of tinfoil[15:03]<RaTTuS> liz and eden are stil on holiday I think[15:03]<normod> hah, I just visited the wrong twitterfeed[15:04]<OneFix_Work> philh: No, nothing like that...just that there may be another problem that they aren't telling us about...I would think that if they were having troubles sourcing the part, they would tell us...[15:04]<normod> @raspberrypi != raspberry_pi[15:04]<normod> @raspberrypi - Hannah Keating - "Engineering student/thrower/anatomy enthusiast. Not a single-board computer. "[15:05]<normod> best tagline :)[15:05]<philh> heh[15:06]* phoque (~nils@nrbg-4dbe5e4d.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:06]* PiBot sets mode +v phoque[15:06]* MystX (~MystX@49-50-247-177.a.hd.net.nz) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:07]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:09]* discomeats (~howismyir@213-152-32-22.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[15:09]* PiBot sets mode +v discomeats[15:12]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:15]<mkopack> Last twitter post was 16 March???[15:15]<Thorn_> raspberry pi was always going to turn out as a scam[15:15]* curahack (~curahack@sub-190-88-93ip28.rev.onenet.an) has joined #raspberrypi[15:15]* PiBot sets mode +v curahack[15:15]<Thorn_> it's fake, when will you realise[15:16]<drazyl> yup, that's it[15:17]<drazyl> the bastards didn't take my money and didn't send me anything![15:18]<mkopack> They just tease me by showing me pictures and video of their cherry picked people using it![15:18]<haltdef> so guys, should a webserver usually not have write access to its webroot?[15:18]<mkopack> They Task me! They Task me and I shall have them![15:18]* wjoe (~joe@lc8n.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:19]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:19]* PiBot sets mode +v Gallomimia[15:19]<phoque> haltdef, I think so, yes[15:19]* kalem (~kalem@host185-195-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[15:19]* kalem (~kalem@host185-195-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Changing host)[15:19]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) has joined #raspberrypi[15:19]* PiBot sets mode +v kalem[15:19]* PiBot sets mode +v kalem[15:20]<drazyl> haltdef depends on the hosting and how the tree is laid out[15:20]<drazyl> haltdef for secure hosting we may well prevent the web server writing to it's own files[15:21]<haltdef> it's just my home server, only experimenting[15:21]<haltdef> atm apache on the main windows server does web[15:22]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[15:22]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac[15:22]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[15:22]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[15:24]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:24]* PiBot sets mode +v dnstbr[15:28]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.173.61) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:29]* wjoe (~joe@lc8n.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:29]* PiBot sets mode +v wjoe[15:37]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@150-124.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[15:37]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) Quit ()[15:37]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@150-124.dsl.iskon.hr) has joined #raspberrypi[15:37]* PiBot sets mode +v Delboy_[15:38]<mkopack> What's most troubling to me is that the people who had dates of March 12 and such not only don't have RPi's yet, but they don't seem to even be getting updated release date info...[15:39]* UnderSampled (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-178.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:39]* PiBot sets mode +v UnderSampled[15:40]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@client-7-215.eduroam.oxuni.org.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[15:40]* PiBot sets mode +v MikeJ1971[15:40]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:40]* PiBot sets mode +v dnstbr[15:48]<des2> Indeed mkopack.[15:49]<des2> But such people should be calling and asking for a status update.[15:49]<ukscone> lol http://www.happyplace.com/14898/wife-cant-solve-incredibly-simple-math-problem[15:49]<mkopack> I think they have been and haven't been getting any sort of info[15:50]<mkopack> ukscone: Oh dear LORD[15:50]<des2> I think the idiot is the person operating a camera while driving a car.[15:50]<mkopack> She's nowhere near hot enough to be THAT dumb[15:51]<ukscone> des2: yeah it seems like an idiot frat boy thing to do[15:53]<mkopack> They're in Idaho, WTF is there to hit in Idaho???[15:53]* hjubal (~hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:53]<mkopack> Holy F this woman is DUMB DUMB DUMB[15:54]<ukscone> mkopack: potatos, lotsa potatos[15:54]<mkopack> and my parents wonder why I can't find a girl??? Because SOOOO many of them are like THAT[15:54]<mkopack> And I just want to punch them in the mouth[15:55]<mkopack> I bet you she could tell you ANYTHING you want to know about Brad + Angelina though![15:55]<ukscone> :)[15:58]<mkopack> Just wow???. I swear[15:59]<mkopack> When they get to the part about "well what if you were doing 40 MPH how long would it take to go 40 miles? 1 Hour??? No, you're lieing, you have to divide that in half..."[15:59]<huene> meh. i can't watch youtube @ work[15:59]<mkopack> And the part about the copy tires being full vs her tires being flat???? OMG[16:03]* Cemial (~hardcoreB@ip4da2366d.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[16:03]* PiBot sets mode +v Cemial[16:04]<RaTTuS> ukscone - saw that on failblog[16:04]<ukscone> RaTTuS: i saw it via a tweet -- it has to be fake, it just has to be as noone is that dumb i just can't believe that anyone could but she is a great actress then[16:05]<RaTTuS> yarg[16:05]<RaTTuS> umm I hate stupid windows task schedualer why wont it just work[16:08]<jzu> otoh that guy is not too classy[16:11]* nirokato (~nirokato@unaffiliated/nirokato) has left #raspberrypi[16:20]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:20]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@92.69.239.235) has joined #raspberrypi[16:20]* PiBot sets mode +v Hopsy[16:24]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189.83.173.61) has joined #raspberrypi[16:24]* PiBot sets mode +v P4R4N01D[16:24]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@client-7-215.eduroam.oxuni.org.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[16:25]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[16:25]* PiBot sets mode +v AdrianG[16:32]* marlon_ (~marlon@pD9EAB54A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:32]* PiBot sets mode +v marlon_[16:32]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:33]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) has joined #raspberrypi[16:33]* PiBot sets mode +v kalem[16:33]* tomnewmann (~tomnewman@host81-159-193-54.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:33]* PiBot sets mode +v tomnewmann[16:35]* piless (~no@94.197.127.115.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:35]* PiBot sets mode +v piless[16:35]* passstab (~v@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:35]* PiBot sets mode +v passstab[16:35]<piless> Did anyone else just get an order update email from farnell?[16:36]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[16:36]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine[16:37]<passstab> nope[16:37]<IT_Sean> nyet[16:37]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Disconnected by services)[16:38]<Matt> I think the best attitude here is "they ship when they ship"[16:38]* amphetamine is now known as AdrianG[16:38]<IT_Sean> Indeed.[16:39]* Threepio (~Threepio@S0106001f5b009dd8.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:39]* PiBot sets mode +v Threepio[16:39]<piless> I don't know why the said congratulations when mentioning a delayed shipment[16:39]* GabrialDestruir (~GabrialDe@pool-71-160-42-116.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:40]<Hourd> hehe[16:40]<Hourd> they are trolls[16:40]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:40]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[16:43]* GabrialDestruir (~GabrialDe@pool-71-160-42-116.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:43]* PiBot sets mode +v GabrialDestruir[16:44]<jamesglanville> early may for me -_-[16:44]* stuk_gen_ (~quassel@151.65.25.24) has joined #raspberrypi[16:44]* PiBot sets mode +v stuk_gen_[16:44]<jamesglanville> they could have at least said sorry, not congratufuckinglations :([16:44]<piless> Dicks[16:45]<jamesglanville> i thought it was from rs at first, and was about to be doubly disappointed[16:45]<des2> Dear customer: We're sorry you've ordered a Raspberry PI....[16:45]<piless> Congratulations - Farnell element14 will deliver your Pi to you around early May.[16:45]<lee> end of may here[16:45]<des2> Your ship date is early whenever.[16:46]* stuk_gen (~quassel@151.65.25.24) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:46]<lee> moved up from w/c 14th may[16:46]<piless> Mine was sometime in april before[16:47]<jamesglanville> mine was in less than three weeks :([16:48]<mkopack> piless: You're in the US or UK?[16:48]<mkopack> And your original estimated ship date was mid april?[16:48]<piless> UK > US[16:49]<mkopack> Ok, so you're UK, so ordered direct from Farnell (not like here where we go through Newark)[16:49]<mkopack> sigh. I'd LOVE to know WTF is going on with the production[16:49]<piless> Late april, like 20th or 24th[16:49]<KaiNeR> Ethernet ports are f00ked[16:50]<mkopack> Did they have another problem? like not being able to find more of the ethernet ports?[16:50]<mkopack> Kain: Yes I know. I'm talking post that problem[16:50]<mkopack> My estimated ship dates are still showing March 30, so dunno[16:51]<des2> Some people's estimated ship dates are apparently still showing last week[16:51]<KaiNeR> Mine was today but I won't be getting my hopes up[16:51]* pitillo (~pitillo@175.Red-88-13-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:52]<piless> My email says: A few days ago, the Raspberry Pi Foundation announced a small manufacturing delay. A component in the Pi is being reinstalled. In the grand scheme it's small potatoes - but we know it's frustrating for Farnell element14 fans and customers.[16:52]<mkopack> Piless: Oh, those emails went out last week to a lot of people too[16:55]<mkopack> des: Yeah, THOSE are the ones I'm concerned about??? If they haven't gotten any sort of update info, that's bad[16:55]* troth (~troth@nat/hp/x-caeffdptaiafnrwo) has left #raspberrypi[16:55]* marlon_ (~marlon@pD9EAB54A.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)[16:55]<mkopack> and Piless: That sounds like you only got pushed back like 2 weeks, which makes sense if you consider the 2 weeks we've seen the delay from the Ethernet jack fiasco[16:55]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) has joined #raspberrypi[16:55]* PiBot sets mode +v hamitron[16:57]<piless> I woul have thought the second batch would be less affected by that[16:57]* pitillo (~pitillo@175.Red-88-13-98.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:57]* PiBot sets mode +v pitillo[16:58]<mkopack> Not if there was a lead time in getting the correct jacks before they could do the production run for the 2nd run boards[16:58]* victhor_ (~victhor@177.98.139.138) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:01]<phoque> http://openelec.tv/forum/44-my-openelec-setup-and-cool-things-it-can-do/21026-ambient-lighting-setup-ambient-background-lighting-for-your-home-theater#21026[17:01]<phoque> sweet[17:02]<phoque> I fear the RPi won't be powerful enough for that though :-)[17:02]<SpeedEvil> Sure it is.[17:03]<SpeedEvil> Trivial.[17:03]<piless> The pi is only powerful enough to be a media centre[17:03]<piless> Anything else is too much for arm[17:03]<SpeedEvil> 320*240 webcam pointed at screen, and a couple of dozen channel LED driver[17:04]* SpeedEvil turns on his hookup of 'motion', a couple of servo motors, a solenoid, and a large sniper rifle, and sets down near to piless.[17:04]* piless is now known as gjju[17:05]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[17:05]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[17:06]* roman3x (~roman3x@bband-dyn154.178-41-137.t-com.sk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:07]<phoque> SpeedEvil, I'm just guessing but taking and downsampling 30 screenshots per second sounds like a hard task to me[17:07]* gabriel9|work (~quassel@92.241.143.37) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:08]<gjju> It isn't[17:08]<gjju> I can press my prnt scrn button at 60hz and it manages okay[17:08]* _inc (~inc@unaffiliated/-inc/x-0498339) has joined #raspberrypi[17:09]* PiBot sets mode +v _inc[17:09]<phoque> yeah, right[17:09]<gjju> I have fast fingers[17:10]* IT_Sean snerks[17:10]* felgru (~felgru@xdsl-78-35-204-228.netcologne.de) has joined #raspberrypi[17:10]* PiBot sets mode +v felgru[17:10]<gjju> What the fuck is a snerk?[17:10]<des2> The only way you can get yout finger to do 60 Hz is if you plug yourself into a wall outlet.[17:11]<gjju> des2: nu uh[17:16]<DaQatz> Who downsample for that effect? You can just grab a few pixels from the buffer for the color instead.[17:16]<DaQatz> As long as you grab from near the edges should appear the same.[17:16]<phoque> DaQatz, because the result would be pretty jiggery and unstable[17:16]<DaQatz> And use a lot less cpu[17:16]* hotwings covers his ears at gjju's profanity[17:16]* kalem (~kalem@unaffiliated/kalem) Quit (Quit: Sto andando via)[17:17]<SpeedEvil> phoque: It's not.[17:17]<SpeedEvil> phoque: It's really very trivial.[17:18]<SpeedEvil> phoque: And note I diddn't say screenshots.[17:18]<DaQatz> I've written aim bots that sampled the same way, they were pretty accurate.[17:18]<SpeedEvil> You don't actually even want good resolution.[17:19]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:19]<SpeedEvil> A blurred out-of-focus 32*24 picture would be just fine.[17:20]<gjju> Fucking aimbots.[17:20]<gjju> Like a gaussian blur?[17:20]<IT_Sean> [17:20]<phoque> SpeedEvil, yeah, but that would require expensive blurring[17:21]<hotwings> gjju - stop cussing so much[17:21]<IT_Sean> gjju: ^ wot 'e said. Mind the language please.[17:21]* gjju is now known as piless[17:21]<des2> Aim bot writer!![17:21]<piless> I can't help it[17:22]<phoque> come on guys, grow up[17:22]<DaQatz> des2, I was like 15. Been some time since then.[17:22]<piless> Hate those aimbotters so much[17:22]<des2> heh[17:22]<DaQatz> Unless you like doom II not issue[17:22]* mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:22]* skilz is now known as Skilz[17:22]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[17:22]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[17:23]* DiegoCerdan (~trapecist@dslb-088-066-047-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:23]* PiBot sets mode +v DiegoCerdan[17:24]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@client-7-215.eduroam.oxuni.org.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:24]* PiBot sets mode +v MikeJ1971[17:25]* tomnewmann (~tomnewman@host81-159-193-54.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:26]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[17:26]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine[17:27]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Disconnected by services)[17:27]* amphetamine is now known as AdrianG[17:31]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@client-7-215.eduroam.oxuni.org.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[17:33]* Threepio (~Threepio@S0106001f5b009dd8.vs.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[17:38]* qkzoo (~qkzoo@32.132.141.150) has joined #raspberrypi[17:38]* PiBot sets mode +v qkzoo[17:38]<qkzoo> hello[17:39]<mkopack> hi qkzoo[17:39]<mkopack> welcome[17:39]* qkzoo (~qkzoo@32.132.141.150) Quit (Quit: Peace out, y'all!)[17:39]<RaTTuS> \0[17:39]<mkopack> oh well[17:40]<RaTTuS> umm parts removed ;-p[17:41]<mkopack> ?[17:42]<mkopack> Hmmm. "Meat Wagon" rolled up in front of our office building??? Wonder what's up...[17:44]<mkopack> Hmm, must have been a false alarm??? they didn't wheel anyone out on the gurney??? Just put it back into the back and are talking with somebody who came out with the EMT's[17:44]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[17:44]* PiBot sets mode +v nils_2[17:45]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[17:45]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine[17:47]* amphetamine_ (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:47]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine_[17:48]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:48]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:48]* amphetamine is now known as AdrianG[17:48]* amphetamine_ (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Client Quit)[17:48]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:48]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[17:53]* hughg (~textual@87.83.30.51) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[17:55]* matthiasb (~matthias@e212-069.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) has joined #raspberrypi[17:55]* PiBot sets mode +v matthiasb[17:58]* RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@t410xx.student.rit.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[17:58]* PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard[17:58]<RITRedbeard> Is it out yet?[17:58]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:58]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:58]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[17:59]<IT_Sean> No[17:59]<RITRedbeard> Wake me when September comes.[17:59]* koaschten (~koaschten@p5B3A7A4F.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:59]* PiBot sets mode +v koaschten[17:59]<RITRedbeard> I'm surprised there isn't a Raspberry Pi song.[18:01]<drazyl> there is, just no-one's received it yet[18:01]<RITRedbeard> Foundation only wants to work with retailers in the UK, whats the tradeoff?[18:01]<RITRedbeard> Eben and Liz trying to make off like Bernie Madoff[18:01]<des2> They're doing it wrong.[18:02]<traeak> des2: hmm ?[18:02]<RITRedbeard> I should have recieved an alpha board. I know how to use gcc, gdb, and vi. I'm a developer, right?[18:03]<RITRedbeard> Right?![18:03]<traeak> RITRedbeard: hehe, sure[18:03]<RITRedbeard> RIGHT?!?!?!?![18:03]<Thorn_> you never mentioned valgrind experience[18:03]* diplo (~diplo@cpc1-trow1-0-0-cust13.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:04]<RITRedbeard> Oh wait, no eclipse, codeblocks or C# experience[18:04]<RITRedbeard> and Qt[18:04]<RITRedbeard> Sorry :([18:04]<RITRedbeard> ;___;[18:05]* CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@fedora/CodeBlock) has left #raspberrypi[18:05]<drazyl> I can use, C and VI[18:05]<drazyl> so where on earth is my Pi[18:05]<drazyl> I am going to cry[18:05]<drazyl> if its late I will die[18:05]<RITRedbeard> The warehouse is dry, don't cry.[18:05]<drazyl> PONIEEEEZZZZZ[18:05]<RITRedbeard> The shit is a muthafuckin' lie.[18:06]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) has joined #raspberrypi[18:06]* PiBot sets mode +v NIN101[18:06]<traeak> heh[18:06]<traeak> i have to start my project[18:06]<traeak> but work is killing me :([18:07]<RITRedbeard> SHOW WORK WHO IS BOSS[18:07]<drazyl> (hint: if you need to do that, it's not you)[18:07]<drazyl> :)[18:07]* jamesglanville (~james@global-2-74.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:07]<RITRedbeard> When life gives you lemons, smack that bitch in the face![18:07]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:08]<RITRedbeard> I should have never gotten this raspberry pi tattoo on my testicles.[18:08]<RITRedbeard> It is all a mistake, now![18:08]<drazyl> its very small[18:08]<IT_Sean> It'd have to be[18:09]<RITRedbeard> the size of the microdot corporation building[18:09]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[18:10]<RITRedbeard> lol[18:10]<RITRedbeard> UltimateMacUser and IT.[18:10]<RITRedbeard> Double worthless.[18:11]* pistacik (~pista@ip-213-220-206-109.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #raspberrypi[18:11]* PiBot sets mode +v pistacik[18:12]* khildin (~khildin@ip-80-236-227-85.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:12]* wej (~j@m2.mullvad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:12]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[18:14]* stuk_gen_ (~quassel@151.65.25.24) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:15]* Skilz is now known as skilz[18:15]* Cracknel (~cracknel@unaffiliated/cracknel) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:18]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:18]* traeak (~bolsen@75-151-91-165-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has left #raspberrypi[18:18]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)[18:20]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[18:20]* PiBot sets mode +v AdrianG[18:22]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[18:22]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine[18:23]* amphetamine_ (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:23]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine_[18:25]* _amphetamine (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:25]* PiBot sets mode +v _amphetamine[18:25]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:27]* _amphet3 (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:27]* PiBot sets mode +v _amphet3[18:27]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[18:28]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[18:28]* PiBot sets mode +v amphetamine[18:29]* amphetamine_ (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:30]* _amphetamine (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:30]* amphetamine (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit (Client Quit)[18:31]* _amphet3 (~amphetami@CPE1c6f658faa92-CM001bd713703a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:32]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[18:32]* PiBot sets mode +v zleap[18:38]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:38]<ParadisoShlee> http://www.alliedelec.com/images/Products/mkt/lp/1203/resources/news.html[18:38]<ParadisoShlee> :)[18:39]<zgreg> so farnell/element14 just said it'll take until may for the first rpi to ship[18:39]<Thorn_> haha[18:39]<Thorn_> looosers ! loosers ![18:39]<zgreg> I don't know, but this is starting to become some sort of travesty[18:40]<Thorn_> well, the good news is you should have one by the time something 4x better comes out :)[18:41]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:41]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[18:42]* matthiasb (~matthias@e212-069.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)[18:42]<des2> Where did you see that zgreg ?[18:43]<zgreg> various people got a mail from element14[18:43]* ru55377 (~rthicking@84.92.196.188) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:44]<ParadisoShlee> They're all totally idiots[18:46]<Davespice> zgreg: I've been thinking about calling them. I placed my order through the farnell export site. Apart from the original confirmation emails I've not heard anything.[18:48]<RaYmAn> I got a mail from farnell about may delivery as well (so moved between 1-4 weeks back in my case)[18:48]<zgreg> ParadisoShlee: we don't know. there is so much (mis)information going around, nobody has a clue, it seems, not even the distributors[18:48]<zgreg> Davespice: same here.[18:48]* skilz is now known as Skilz[18:49]<Davespice> hmm, makes me think I should record the phone call :)[18:49]<Davespice> I might do that and put it up somewhere so people can listen[18:51]<zgreg> that might be interesting[18:52]* zer0her0 (~zer0her0@cpe-74-76-225-89.nycap.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:52]* felgru (~felgru@xdsl-78-35-204-228.netcologne.de) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:52]* zer0her0 (~zer0her0@cpe-74-76-225-89.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:52]* PiBot sets mode +v zer0her0[18:54]* zer0her0 (~zer0her0@cpe-74-76-225-89.nycap.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:55]<mkopack> Even the disturbs aren't giving useful info[18:55]<zgreg> Davespice: I assume farnell simply isn't as trigger happy with telling people rather bogus dates[18:55]* ragna_ (~ragna@e180069073.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[18:55]* PiBot sets mode +v ragna_[18:55]* zer0her0 (~zer0her0@cpe-74-76-225-89.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:55]* PiBot sets mode +v zer0her0[18:55]<zgreg> Davespice: element14 is another part of the company[18:55]* NIN102 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) has joined #raspberrypi[18:55]* PiBot sets mode +v NIN102[18:56]<zgreg> someone on rpi forums reported that he/she so far got *five* mails that pushed back the delivery date[18:57]<aditsu> is it out yet?[18:58]<aditsu> where's the bot?[18:58]* NIN101 (~NIN@206.253.166.69) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:58]* ragna (~ragna@e180088157.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:59]* DiegoCerdan (~trapecist@dslb-088-066-047-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #raspberrypi[19:03]* Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:03]* pjburgess (~pjburgess@87.115.87.83) has joined #raspberrypi[19:03]* PiBot sets mode +v pjburgess[19:04]* mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) has joined #raspberrypi[19:04]* PiBot sets mode +v mrcan[19:04]<pjburgess> Hey all. Stupid question: does the lack of a real-time clock on the Pi mean I'm gonna have to enter the date/time on every boot?[19:05]<Thorn_> use ntp[19:05]<zgreg> if you cannot use ntp, yes[19:05]<mkopack> No, just set it up so NTP runs and on boot up it will go out and get the current date/tome from the internet[19:05]<pjburgess> is ntp started fairly early in the boot order on Linux?[19:05]<des2> If your pie is connected to the internet it can ust get the date there[19:06]<mkopack> if you don't have a network connection, then YES you'll have to set it yourself[19:06]<zgreg> it should be easy to attach an RTC to the pi, though[19:06]<mkopack> yeah, there's several people working on RTC add-on boards[19:06]<des2> You can add your $50 RPi RTC board...[19:06]<zgreg> heh[19:07]<pjburgess> $50?! holy cr*p.[19:07]<zgreg> it is almost trivial to attach an RTC module to the rpi[19:07]<zgreg> and it is cheap as well[19:07]<zgreg> (trivial for a hardware hacker, that is=[19:08]<zgreg> it might be possible to harvest RTC modules from old PC mainboards, too[19:08]<mjr> There's another alternative to NTP, manual setting and an RTC addon. It's called "do you really care about the time in your use case?"[19:08]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Read error: No route to host)[19:09]<pjburgess> mrj: looking at writing an SQL tutorial series for kids, so in my case I do.[19:09]<hotwings> sql on rpi[19:09]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[19:09]* PiBot sets mode +v chris_99[19:09]<mjr> A GPS receiver might do, though susceptible to good placement. ;][19:09]<zgreg> well, if pjburgess asks about it, I'm sure he needs a wall clock time on the pi[19:10]* mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[19:10]* mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) has joined #raspberrypi[19:10]* PiBot sets mode +v mrcan[19:10]<pjburgess> anyone else planning on developing programming resources/tutorials for kids (as per the pi's intended audience)?[19:11]* CarpNet (~ac@dneg-fw.dneg.com) Quit (Quit: Going now)[19:11]<zgreg> epson rtc-4513, a realtime clock with integrated crystal, is available for about 2 EUR here[19:11]<zgreg> and you're only going to need that and a button cell[19:12]<pjburgess> zgreg: does that just connect straight to the pins on the board?[19:12]<zgreg> not straight, someone would need to make a small PCB for it[19:13]<zgreg> but it's certainly doable for very little money[19:13]<pjburgess> i think there's an opportunity here for a rpi add-ons marketplace... hmm... ;-)[19:13]* iccanobif (iccanobif@87.18.132.131) has joined #raspberrypi[19:13]* PiBot sets mode +v iccanobif[19:14]* Da|Mummy (~Veki@cpe-76-190-200-98.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:14]* PiBot sets mode +v Da|Mummy[19:14]<mkopack> number of places are working on Rpi add-ons, the problem is they can't finalize their designs until they have an Rpi to test them on[19:15]* LiENUX (~yes@2001:470:bbb7:ca81:edf2:8678:c545:87bd) has joined #raspberrypi[19:15]* PiBot sets mode +v LiENUX[19:15]<pjburgess> of course. i mean that it would be nice to establish a single place to showcase such add-ons once they've been developed.[19:16]<mkopack> Well, right now they're listed on the wiki in the hardware section...[19:16]* zleap (~psutton@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[19:16]<mkopack> But some places like Adafruit have stated their intention to build things but won't say what until they have it ready to go to market[19:16]<pjburgess> indeed. but that's a wiki, and wikis are a pain-in-the-ass.[19:16]<mkopack> they're using the name "Pi Plates" (like Arduino Shields or BeagleBone Capes)[19:18]* LiENUX (~yes@2001:470:bbb7:ca81:edf2:8678:c545:87bd) has left #raspberrypi[19:19]<des2> Can't really release anything until you have an actual PI to test it on.[19:19]<[Si]> I think it should be a Pi Crust :)[19:21]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[19:21]* PiBot sets mode +v chod[19:22]* pjburgess (~pjburgess@87.115.87.83) has left #raspberrypi[19:23]<mkopack> lol. I like that too :)[19:23]<mkopack> Or "Pie Topping"[19:25]<[Si]> ooh that's even better mkopack :)[19:25]* Kostic (~Kostic@net89-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has joined #raspberrypi[19:25]* PiBot sets mode +v Kostic[19:27]<des2> Someone hurry and trademaek 'PI-Top'[19:27]* roman3x (~roman3x@bband-dyn154.178-41-137.t-com.sk) has joined #raspberrypi[19:27]* PiBot sets mode +v roman3x[19:27]<des2> 'PI-Topper'[19:28]<des2> And 'PI-Topping'[19:28]<mkopack> lol[19:35]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[19:35]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder_[19:35]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:36]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[19:36]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder_[19:36]* jamesglanville (~james@62.49.187.64) has joined #raspberrypi[19:36]* PiBot sets mode +v jamesglanville[19:36]* jamesglanville (~james@62.49.187.64) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[19:38]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Ping 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smelling like vaporware, running schemes like a head honcho[21:13]<RITRedbeard> sticking you up like Poncho[21:14]<RITRedbeard> Villa, Eben stealin' from the rich and givin to him self[21:14]<RITRedbeard> puttin more ice on his wrist[21:14]* datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)[21:14]<RITRedbeard> while you're sittin here crying while slicing your wrist[21:14]<RITRedbeard> silly kids, pandaboards ain't for little boys and girls[21:14]<RITRedbeard> raspberry pi just a toy[21:15]<RITRedbeard> no LVDS on your S-O-C[21:15]<RITRedbeard> S-H-A-M-E on you.[21:16]<RITRedbeard> No documentation otherwise you have to sign an NDA / Liz and Eben making more money than stars in the NBA[21:17]<MrWatson> wait, you're complaining because of how broadcom runs? and that the soc doesn't do lvds?[21:17]* slaeshjag (steven@s.rdw.se) has joined #raspberrypi[21:17]* PiBot sets mode +v slaeshjag[21:17]<MrWatson> dear god, its not even anger spam with a good reason[21:17]* MrWatson 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seconds)[21:39]* TheOpenSourcerer (~alord@81-178-65-1.dsl.pipex.com) has left #raspberrypi[21:40]* koda (~vittorio@host174-212-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[21:40]* PiBot sets mode +v koda[21:42]<mkopack> RIT going all Gangsta Rap on us[21:44]<RITRedbeard> ARM for $25 USD? You can't get RISC for nearly free![21:46]<des2> I think Redbeard is on the Red bull.[21:46]<RITRedbeard> After accessories and VAT paying more than Matel / Eben and crew staying at hotels stacking that ponzi loot[21:46]* EastLight (t@5ac4af3c.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:46]* PiBot sets mode +v EastLight[21:47]<mkopack> This is what happens when people have too much time on their hands waiting around for their RPi to arrive :)[21:47]<RITRedbeard> Got me twisted worse than Farnell[21:47]<mkopack> (much like the argument I'm having in the forums about how the Fedora image installer sucks and needs to support OS-X and why we should NOT be expecting people to drop to the command line, or use a LiveCD or whatever just to image their damn SD cards.)[21:47]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:48]* iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:48]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt[21:48]<lee> been seeding it, haven't touched it[21:48]<RITRedbeard> Smirk and Fedora ready / Keepin' that Broadcom pimp hand steady[21:48]<lee> probably won't, I don't like RPM based distros[21:49]<mkopack> Well, it's not that, the installer tool is supposed to work for making SD cards for all of the distros....[21:49]<mkopack> .[21:49]<mkopack> The problem is, the instructions I tried to follow last night SUCKED[21:49]<Henchman21> mkopack: i happen to like fdisk[21:49]<RITRedbeard> dd[21:49]<mkopack> It was straightforward for Windows.[21:49]<lee> there's a wiki, make it betterer =)[21:50]<mkopack> NO option for OSX (which will confuse / roadblock a lot of total newbs coming from the OSX world)[21:50]* flaushy_ (~nooon@p5798D3E6.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:50]* PiBot sets mode +v flaushy_[21:50]<RITRedbeard> No OS X love / no support for GRUB[21:50]<lee> I suspect the argument will be "we don't care right now, you are all early adopters"[21:50]<Henchman21> only need a small fat32 partition to hold the bloby start.elf and loader.bins +kernel.img and config.txt[21:50]<mkopack> and the Linux instructions didn't explain how to get the RPM installed inside of Ubuntu, didn't say how to actually RUN the thing once you DID get it installed, etc.[21:51]<Henchman21> then a rootfs for it to mount[21:51]<Henchman21> maybe nfs maybe the card, maybe a usb drive[21:51]<mkopack> lee: Sure, I get that, but at the same time, I'm trying to point out where the shortcomings are so they can get addressed for the later users.[21:52]<RITRedbeard> mkopack: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA![21:52]<RITRedbeard> YEAH RIGHT[21:52]<Henchman21> its not my fault windows has zero support for other filesystems and partitioning, i mean there are 3rd party pay apps for winsuck, but most sane OS's have that from the start :P[21:52]<mkopack> My contention is that it needs to be no more difficult than "download the program at this link for your machine's OS" "Ok, now run that", get a nice GUI, you select your SD card from the list of drives, you select the image file you wanted loaded on it (or it downloads a new image from the RPF site) and it builds it. Done. That should be it.[21:53]<Henchman21> here ill sell you a card[21:53]<Henchman21> hah[21:54]* flaushy (~nooon@p579007C4.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:54]<mkopack> Hench -great, what happens when little Johnny screws it up? Does his mom/dad who doesn't know squat about computers understand how to REIMAGE it? Or do they have to buy a whole new card?[21:54]<Henchman21> buy a new card from me[21:54]<Henchman21> ill be sure to overcharge too[21:55]<mkopack> The fact is, we're trying to build something that's supposed to teach computing to absolute newbs with no background knowledge. That means the first experience they have is very important, and that means it has to be 1) simple 2) bulletproof. If it's not, we risk alienating the very people it's meant to help because they get frustrated and say "screw this"[21:56]<Henchman21> RABBLE[21:56]<Henchman21> RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE[21:59]<philh> mkopack, sounds like they'll use http://code.google.com/p/rasp-pi-card/ eventually[21:59]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) has joined #raspberrypi[21:59]* PiBot sets mode +v Laogeodritt[22:00]<philh> i wonder if it's possible to use unetbootin[22:00]<Henchman21> if you got problems with using dd fdisk mkfs.whatever i dont think embedded programming nor system administration is right for you[22:01]<Henchman21> whats that kiddy programming environment project ? be sure to send a card with a copy to mkopack[22:02]<Henchman21> python for fun and world domination[22:02]* mike__ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:02]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:02]<mkopack> Hench: Again, you're missing the point of this whole RPF - to teach KIDS. Kids who probably don't have ANY background in this stuff.[22:03]<PaulFertser> mkopack: was self-cheating basic and assembler on some old z80-based thingies simple and bulletproof?[22:03]<Henchman21> well thats not my goal[22:04]<Henchman21> kids are smart[22:04]<mkopack> philh: Yeah, that's the tool Liam Frazer was working on, but then abandoned when he heard that the Fedora team was providing an installer program. The problem is, their installer program leaves some to be desired??? No OSX version (there's a hell of lot of those out in the wild now), and the directions (at least the ones I tried to follow last night) sucked.[22:04]<Henchman21> they will google raspberry pi and get the skinny on bootdisks and linux[22:04]<mkopack> Sucked to the point that there's NO way I would expect my mom or dad to be able to follow them[22:04]<Henchman21> course not[22:05]<Henchman21> thats why geeksquad exists[22:05]<Henchman21> most dont even care to know[22:05]<philh> mkopack, and unetbootin's definitely of no use even as a starting point for a cross-platform tool?[22:05]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:05]* PiBot sets mode +v mikey_w[22:06]<Henchman21> i wonder how often huge network outages provide geeksquad with money[22:06]* mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:06]* PiBot sets mode +v mike_[22:06]<Henchman21> probably rubbing elbows with the local isp's[22:06]* mike_ is now known as Guest78216[22:06]* KaiNeR- (~KaiNeR@cpc1-hart9-2-0-cust121.11-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:06]* PiBot sets mode +v KaiNeR-[22:06]<Henchman21> have a lil 5 hr downtime[22:07]* spangles (~spangles@host86-138-47-86.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:07]* KaiNeR (~KaiNeR@cpc1-hart9-2-0-cust121.11-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:07]<Henchman21> watch the phoney light up[22:07]<Henchman21> phones[22:07]<philh> can someone point Henchman21 at a decent chatbot? he seems lonely[22:07]* piless (~no@94.197.127.115.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:08]<mkopack> Ugh, I made the mistake TWICE of dealing with Geeksquad??? NEVER EVER EVER again...[22:08]<des2> If only he had some henchmen to chat with.[22:09]* Calyp (~Calyp@unaffiliated/calyptratus-tzm) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:09]<mkopack> First was with an eMachines laptop I bought there??? Brought it in for repair service because it would just suddenly reboot (obviously bad MB). A MONTH later I get it back and it's doing the same damn thing.[22:09]* acfrazier (~acfrazier@opensn0w/developer/acfrazier) Quit (Changing host)[22:09]* acfrazier (~acfrazier@deskthority/admin/acfrazier) has joined #raspberrypi[22:09]* PiBot sets mode +v acfrazier[22:09]<RITRedbeard> Sales-squad?[22:10]<mkopack> The second was when I bought my LCD TV. They threw in "professional home setup"??? Now I had the whole thing set up and working JUST FINE before the guy got there. He comes in, JACKS the damn brightness WAY up, turns off all the power saving features on the TV, and screws with things.[22:10]<Henchman21> thing is theres sensitive info on my computer i wouldnt trust with ANYONE let alone some kid who thinks he knows everything with his library of company applications[22:11]<mkopack> When I noticed that the sound+video (everything plugged into and running through an AV receiver before going to the TV) was out of sync, and I asked him about it his answer was "Light travels faster than sound"[22:11]<Henchman21> company trojans[22:11]<mkopack> I just looked at him doubfounded by how STUPID that answer was[22:11]<Henchman21> emails/contacts/login credentials keyrings[22:11]<mkopack> I asked him again, "What?"[22:11]<philh> epic stuff[22:11]<Henchman21> and they just love looking through other peoples drives[22:11]<mkopack> "Light travels faster than sound, so the video gets here before the audio"[22:12]<mkopack> I just laughed at him and said "You DO realize it's all digitally encoded and sent in a single packet, right?"[22:12]<Henchman21> like how TSA guys love looking/touching nekid bodies[22:12]<mkopack> At that point I told him "We're done here. Leave. 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www.ntalk.de)[23:32]<gibblefong> ok, well it's something that takes the analog input from a piezo sensor and converts it to a digital signal, which either triggers the playback of a sampled drum sound or generates a midi note[23:32]* sjoxx (~sjox@541F58EE.cm-5-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[23:32]* PiBot sets mode +v sjoxx[23:33]<des2> ah ha[23:34]<des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGl-ba7qSic[23:34]* mike__ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:34]* Guest15755 (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:34]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:35]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[23:35]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[23:37]<gibblefong> des2: nice[23:37]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@Tom4u/founder/tomtiger11) Quit (Quit: Bye!)[23:37]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:37]<gibblefong> so I googled some more and it transpires arduino is quite ok at midi[23:37]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:37]* PiBot sets mode +v mikey_w[23:37]* mike__ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:37]* PiBot sets mode +v mike__[23:38]<des2> Arduino already has Analog inputs .[23:38]<gibblefong> now I'm wondering if a pi can handle triggering say, 16 concurrent voices of audio via a USB midi input[23:38]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:38]* PiBot sets mode +v Gallomimia[23:39]<gibblefong> des2: yes that's why I thought an arduino would fit this idea, the A2D capability[23:39]<gibblefong> following your link, I found this: http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Midi[23:39]<gibblefong> which shows that going from piezo to midi via an arduino is no problem[23:40]<des2> The nice thing about Arduino is there are so many projects for it already.[23:40]<des2> And It's cheap ($20 clones, $35 at Radio Shack)[23:40]<des2> And it's real (you can actually buy it)[23:40]<gibblefong> yes, I have observed from the sidelines, and always thought one day I would plunge in and find a project that needs arduino[23:41]<gibblefong> but the pi opens up the angle of real interface design[23:41]<des2> Yesh the PI is much more powerful.[23:42]<gibblefong> looking at what's out there for a standalone e-drum kit brain, I think the PI / Arduino could blow away all and sundry[23:43]* esotera (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[23:43]* PiBot sets mode +v esotera[23:46]* shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) has joined #raspberrypi[23:46]* PiBot sets mode +v shirro[23:47]<gibblefong> so anyway, it's been worthwhile popping in, thanks des2 and bye one and all[23:48]<des2> adios.[23:48]* gibblefong (51aefaee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.174.250.238) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[23:48]<Burninate_> "real interface design" beingg?[23:48]* neverous (~neverous@static-81-219-221-58.devs.futuro.pl) Quit (Quit: gone!)[23:51]* FACEFOX (~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:51]* PiBot sets mode +v FACEFOX[23:55]<shirro> morning. won't bother asking.[23:56]* phantoxe (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[23:56]* PiBot sets mode +v phantoxe[23:58]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[23:59]* iMatttt_ (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:59]* PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt_