The Sensitive Girl

Something that men in their rush to conquer pussy tend to overlook, particularly those men new to the game, are that some girls can be destroyed by the coldblooded mechanization of the modern mating market. These are the sensitive girls who don’t know how to, or aren’t willing to, give as bad as they get. They genuinely hurt when their hearts get crushed, and have no way to defend themselves except by retreating to sulking in their bedrooms for months. They are easy prey for worldly seducers.

The sensitive girl (SG) is created as much as born. While most are born with a predilection to sentimentality, their exquisite victimization can be reinforced by their choices. An SG7 who shoots out of her league with a male 9 is asking for heartbreak. An SG slut (they do exist; you’ve never seen such a bag of neuroses!) has herself to blame for always falling short of experiencing the loving commitment she secretly craves from a man. An SG who has had the misfortune to fall in love with a sociopath will know the pain of having her buttons pressed and her strings pulled only to learn in the end that her romance was an illusion.

There are also the faux SGs — the ones who pretend to sentimentality but are really just drama whores forever searching for their next hit of accelerated relationship fanfare. They are contrivances who should be handled with a healthy dose of cynicism. Faux SGs make perfect backup lovers, as your continual unexplained absences where you spend time devoted to your primary relationship fuel their drama fix. It’s easy to identify a faux SG — just look for the girl who can’t stop flapping her gums about “how hard it is to date men in this city” while she’s showing some random guy her new hip tattoo.

The authentic “tears on pillow” SG is usually:

– a 5, 6 or 7. Uglier girls have been resigned to their depressing fate since childhood, and don’t expect much from men. They grow up to become hard-headed pragmatists, and make good disciplinarians for the omega roustabouts in their lives. 8s and above are too hot to be sentimental saps for long; most find that capitalizing on their brief window of power is far more fun than wallowing in self pity.

– stricken with a small physical flaw to which she is prone to blaming her unluckiness in love.

– a formerly hot cougar. Now we know the appeal of cats. What creature is more willing to sit still as a despondent aging cougar at the nexus of nostalgia for her lost beauty and sentimentality for the romantic gestures from men she can no longer attract regales it with tales of lovelorn woe?

– a young, naive girl. Break her heart and surely there will be a concierge waiting for you at the garnet gates of hell.

– a broken bitch. Not every girl who rides the cock carousel long and hard erects around herself a bodice of tankgrrl armor. A few self-confident sirens exit the ride puking their guts out, their souls shattered, whimpering for release in the arms of a niceguy. See: … well, you can figure out who.

Of all the taxonomy of women, the sensitive girl stands alone as the most capable of inducing pangs of guilt in a player. A true SG, her heart freely given with no strings attached, is so easy to destroy that you may hesitate before dragging her too deeply into your rakematrix. The SG has a habit of falling in love, and of glorifying your every word and action. Breakups often hit her completely unawares. She will mewl for reassurances from you that you won’t leave her. She cries just imagining a breakup, and will tremble with anxiety if you so much as hint at dissatisfaction with the relationship.

Tragically for inveterate romanticists, the SG is a species on the verge of extinction. You will find her skipping in Polish meadows or careening through Iowan cornfields, oblivious to the changes around her. Daisies poking up from a steaming worldwide shitvista.

The SG suffers unbeknownst in our post-monogamy, quasi-polygyny world. She is the victim of her bloodless sisters who turn men to the art of the game and the darker nature of women. These men, their egos and their courtship dance sharpened to a serrated edge, will unintentionally hurt the SG should they stumble into her tiny snowglobe world, mistakenly thinking she is like the others. Collateral damage, they will say. But a few players who retain a semblance of empathy will feel horrible for ushering another childlike heart into the realm of Phthonus.

A reader emails:

Hopefully a quick question – The GF is about to say “I love you”, but I don’t know how to respond? Any recommended advice here, or anything that’s worked well before? I don’t exactly love her either, but I’m a sucker for tears if I ever saw them.

A woman’s tears can immobilize a man. This blog teaches men to train themselves to remain stoic in an onslaught of waterworks, because many women are skilled in the art of manipulation through summoned tears. But sometimes a tear is just a tear, a Lite-Brite view of genuine inner turmoil.

If, as suspected, this man’s GF is an SG (SGs are the type of girl who will say “I love you” first, and will be the most hurt if the response isn’t in kind), then care must be taken with the handling of her heart. In event of unreciprocated love, her tears will be real. The reader was redirected to this post for possible replies to an “I love you” from a woman one doesn’t love in return. Further suggestions were offered, with the caveat that, no matter how expedient, it is in the player’s interest to avoid saying “I love you, too” if the feeling isn’t mutual. One, it’s hard to say with a straight face if it isn’t sincerely felt. Two, saying “I love you” to a girl you don’t love will cheapen the words when you want to say them to a girl you truly do love. You’ll come to doubt whether any of your future feelings of love are real.

It’s especially dangerous territory to lie about love with an SG. Lie all you want to a lawyercunt or a slut or a golddigger or a single mom or a thrice divorcée, because being the instrument of karmic comeuppance is your male prerogative. But lie to the SG, and her hopes, having been lifted to exalted heights, will inevitably come crashing down so hard her sorrow will weigh on you like a phantom inquisitor for years afterward. Have you ever walked out for the final time from a dimly-lit bedroom to the receding sound of your lover’s sobs trailing you from the shrinking corner of her bed? I can assure you, it’s not easy to brush off. The memory will singe. Heel thyself, cad.

Needless to say, this guilt is bad for maintaining the right frame for pickup. The best way to deal with ILY from an SG you don’t love is to be playful and evasive. “I’ve been waiting for you to say that.” Or “Right back atcha.” Plausible deniability — in the form of “I didn’t say or insinuate that I didn’t love you” — is key here. Most SGs hear what they want to hear, so this tactic will work.

To the callous bastards who read here: despoil your SGs, ruin them for the supplicative betas who would be good fits for the SGs, corrupt them to the power of the jaded side, but don’t tell them you love them if you don’t. There is a personal code of honor even the cruelest player abides. Violate at your own risk.

Of course, there’s always the option of falling in love with an SG. It’s not like it’s hard to do.

yah yah my heart goes out to all the senstive girls who were seduced into assocking and then seduced again and became calloused manipulative girlzzz

yah roissy–a sensitive girl could make a good ife, but only her pre-assocked and pre-desouled form. once she gets assocked a couple times and falls to gber baser gina anuth tingles then she isn’;t a good wife a for a good man no more not really, but more of the sam old welath-transferring ginawhore working form bernake the fed divroce lawywers regime lzozlzllzlz

in that sense an assocked ssensitive girl can be a dangerous tenmptress as you wil never know baout her multiple assocking sesions and deosuled nature, until you come home four weeks after the honeymoon form your 9-5 office job a little early for a folder you forgot, and fins your nice senstive wife getting asscoked by an old alpha friend form facebook who was passing through town, his cock in her ass where the dfed wants it zlozozlzlzozo, so that you can initaite divorce precedings whereupon the fed gets its cock in your ass lzollzlzlzlzl zlzozlzlzl omg zlzollzzl

google Stephen Baskerville No Fault Divorce Exposed

not many people see the conections the connections
that the gbfm doth see
not many see the fiat funding of butthex sessions
that emprison us while claiming to set us free

not many people see the conections the connections
that the gbfm doth see
the tucker max rhymes with goldman sax butthex confessions
makingh neocon woens tingle and go tee hee hee

not many people see the conections the connections
of neocon women experts promotig undead vampires to the young
not many take time for the reflections
to see the neocons all sing an ode to da the fiat dollar is sung

whether they’re growing the welfare or warfare state
or teahcing the young to masterbate
or trianing students the great books to hate
they’re preparing the world for but one fate

one butthexer to rule them all
bernanke to geitherner to tucker max makes a call
they profit immensely at an eoconomy’;s fall
and repeat tucker butthexer max’s lie that he’s 6′ tall

preemtive wars onforeign shores, preemptive wars in the womb
they send our best and bravest to die, while a woman’s choice beocmes a tomb
for 50,000,000 innocents murdered by the state
but yet the fiat vampire bloodlust it doth not sate

hiring funding women with fiat cash teh great books to bash
hriring funding fiat women to dismantle the consitiution
as a women’s gina tingle and anuth tingles with the fed doth not clash
as bernanke governs with a womenz intution

yes it is all for the children children chidleren
the bastard spawn of thugs and assocking douchebags
as the fiat master signs welfare with a pen
to tax good men, while thugs asscock tyheir future wifehags

every action every breath motivited by transferring welath
from good man to asscoking thuggery spawn
destroying classics, god, love, marriage with night’s stealth
then boldly continuiting it right into the dawn.

as bernanke godlma sax buy gold and pack their bags
preparing to move on to the next nation
bankrupted the british and amerian empires with asscoked hags
moving on to asia to enrich themsleves via inflation

to all the senistive girls who grew up without a tring ftsher to keep the fed’s asscocker cocks out of yoru anutholes.
i am soory they deosuled you, but even if i take you out to dinner and buy you things and treat you nicely,
it will be fo no use–you will go back to assocking
even if i marry you and propose with anice big ring,
it won’t be enough as they assocked you and transofmred you into a deosuled assocked zombie vampire girl who is more loyal forever to the state fed beranke, than god family man. and i know that one day, after we are married, and i come home, you will have returned to asscking and i will see it iwitness it with my own two eyes as you obey the fed with an assockedr asscocking you for old time’s sake ain’t nuthin wrong with butthex in the neocon regime as butthexed women are the best at tmaing men according to in the beltway neoocn cherubic fat faced fiat neocnnsoncosns llzozlzlzl

and
to all the spinsters with cats
who teh fed tricked into spinsterhood/serving debt lxolllozlzl
to all the fanboys in ther single mom’s basements
whose dads they never knew because the fed tookawy fatehrhood lzozlzl
to all the broken familes
who were split up by the need to make two salaries to feed the kids
to all aging necon womenz celeberating secretive tapings of butthex without teh girlths conthent lzozllzlzozlzl they tircked you too
to all the spinster chix again i am sorry they sdesouled you
in asscokcing sessins drugged you up on prozac
told you to abort your kids no wonder your’re d[pressed and all fucjked up no lozlzlzlzling here
my heart goes out to you while tucker max & goldman sax laugh zlzolzlzl
too all the aborted fetushes we ask for forgiveness we deserve not and to all those tricked into aborting the gift of life lzozllzllzl we forgive u too and pray for teh fethuses, but not in school as prayer is illegal in school lozlzllzlz
to all those inthe rising genertaion who will have to pay off their parents cultural and monetary debts lzozlz war isn’t fun but it’s part of teh fed’s fiat bubble cycle lzozlzllz so like after th e country goes bust the war starts in the ultimate pump and udmp scheme you thought enron/worldcom/fannae mae was bad lolzozlzlz just you wait lzozlzlll i hope not and ai pray for peace lozlzlz maybe we can all learn to live and get along but i think we would have to start with truth and nobility and honor and ocurage and virtue and not with fiat debt and butthex lozlzlzl that’s just nmy gues from reading heroduts and the great boooks and classis in greek and latin zlzolzllzlzl

and the bible too about sodom and gomorroah did yuknow taht sodomycame form sodom and gonnoreah came from gommroah? lzozllz kidding about that second one i doubt it did but maybe who knows i have never had eitehr sodomy nor gonorreah and i ahve never been to sodom nor gomoorrah

sodom must;ve been a funny place lzolzlozolllzzll and a crazy party or two and the editor in chiefstress priscilla painton at simon and schuster would have fit right in publishing tucker max’s books yah i betin gmorrah they had a tower of babel with the ofices of simon and schuster at the top across the hall form the fed lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzllzlzlz

sometimes i wonder if poets and prophets can still change the world?

or have they trainde too, too many women to hate, and dumbed down and drugged up too many menz? have they destoryed too many fathers and killed to many families? have the y deocnstructed tyoo many books and spilled too much blood and aborted too many fetuthes as one is one too many. have they prescribed ritalin to too many cretaive sols in chool in prozac to too many who need to be depressed and face it when they abort fetuses as god gave us feelings and makes us not pay attention to boring stae corproate teachers as all creativity comes from not paying attention to the state lzozlzzll and now it is diagnoses as a diseas lzozlzlz.

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well juust wanted to say i luv u all and nice 2 know ya and welcomes abords lzozlzl

and 2 asnwer my own above questions
let me jsut say
teh great books
wouldn’t be great
if they weren’t immortal
and they offer us redemption
the moment we start living by tehir ideasl
and epic higher stories
so put down your hate and your secretive butthex tape
and pick up a cross
and come follow me
and let me shoulderyour burden
for my yoke is light
dante wrote la vita nuova–the new life
and it is time 4 u to find your new life
for to loseth one’s old way is to fuind the new path
so do not fear
lozlzlzlzlzlz omg wtf am i saying lzozlzlz
i almost blew my cover here as teh messiah lzozlzllll i hide it beind all my lzozlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlles but a couple of you ahve caught on lzozlzlzlzllzlzl

Oh my goodness, I feel like this post was written about me. Reading it brought tears to my eyes. You have no idea what it is like to be petrified about the prospect of having your heart ripped to shreds. I didn’t have my first kiss until four years ago at the age of 21 and have always had severe social anxiety when it came to talking to men.

I feel that life would be so much easier if I wasn’t this sensitive and could simply relax. But it is hard to do. I even considered joining a convent because the prospect of dating seem like such an impossibility and instead spent all of 2009 living with a 90 yr old woman helping to take care of her. This meant no going out at night, and it was a welcome relief.

roissy is like odysseus like he’s bnot going to take the giant cyclops eating his men and he’s not going to succumb to the sirens and he’s not going to back down form the crice withes bithches but he’s gonna man up and give em some cockas lotas cockass lzozozlz

i would trust roissy with my gf because he is so alpha that to him friendship is more improtant than sliding his cock into my gf’s gina as he gets lotsa gina all over all the time.

more than anything, it takes an honroable osul to do what torissy doens and speak honroable independendt truht day after day afer day for fun and service thwil eht e neocs spendid their time assocking and riting about that for profit lzolzlzlzo

Girly Girl, I feel the same way also. I am extremely sensitive and I also become very anxious, especially around men. I have trouble forming sentences without bubbling like an idiot and it is difficult for me to maintain eye contact with men. I often relieve myself of stress by crying (I have no control over it), so I come across as very immature and unstable, when I am in fact very intelligent. I haven’t had my first kiss yet (I’m 26) because I’m a Muslim, but amongst my Muslim friends I am one of the few who is unmarried because I am so fearful of a broken heart. Which is sad because I think I am (moderately) attractive (7?).

I am glad he devoted a post to sensitive girls like myself. We really don’t respond to game in the same way.

It took you awhile, but you finally got around to the real solution to the dilemma of the sensitive woman: you love her. You cherish her. You commit to her. Hell, you might even take a chance and marry her.

The only problem is that there aren’t many of these kinds of women left. All the more reason to hold on if you meet a sensitive girl while she is young and attractive.

The proprietor9s) is (are) brutally honest about how men and women really work. That realism is the appeal here, both for practical reasons (the truth, when field tested, actually works!) and for the simple pleasure of honesty in a wilderness of lies and delusion.

This post is touching, but it is not romanticism. It is rather a sophisticated and wordly realism. Men have deep hardwiring to want to care for and protect women. It is stronger in some men than others, and it has been burned out of most of them by the time they have adults for a while. But it is still a real part of our masculine makeup. It is pretty much the same thing as our capacity to love, as men.

Just as some women, by their beauty, inspire intense physical attraction, others, by their personal character and basic goodness inspire an intense desire to protect them, or at least not to hurt them. They are at least potentially objects of love as well as desire.

If you violate your inner drive to care for a woman of this sort, who is easily damaged by the realities of contemporary life, you inflict a wound on yourself, as well as on the woman.

A player or a cad can be happy. A person who knows himself to be a complete swine, cannot be. There really are some self-enforcing, or at least self-punishing, moral rules. Even carnal pleasure can be poisoned by self-loathing or regret. A loveless life is one thing, a life without the prospect of love is far worse.

“””Oh my goodness, I feel like this post was written about me. Reading it brought tears to my eyes. You have no idea what it is like to be petrified about the prospect of having your heart ripped to shreds.”””

Get yourself a nice beta guy and he’ll be bending over for your every neurosis rather than breaking your heart. It’s really not rocket science.

Unless you meant “You have no idea what it is like to be petrified about the prospect of having your heart ripped to shreds by the alpha cads that make my panties wet and whom I fantasize about, not the rest of the invisible men who I completely abhor“.

“Unless you meant “You have no idea what it is like to be petrified about the prospect of having your heart ripped to shreds by the alpha cads that make my panties wet and whom I fantasize about, not the rest of the invisible men who I completely abhor“.”

he talks about how women nned their ginas to tingle madly before even considering a guy. they look not at his character nor job nor goodness, but at how much makeup he wears and his assocking abilities. and then ethey go wah wah wah whahahah he assckokced me! waahahahha! we need more laws against men!! women sdeserve more bernake dollarz as they keep getting assocked by vampire assockers weaing makeup and lying about tehir height! wahw ahhaah hhwhhhaha!!!

Good article and so true. One of my brothers married a crazy woman who cheated on him throughout their entire marriage (revealed after divorce) despite having two children. My brother was a devoted father and husband. Now just a devoted father. He was taken to the cleaners by an adulterous woman and of course the courts sided with her. I am wondering if there are any clubs around where men can organize to start turning this situation around? The points made about women being angry and spiteful are on point 100%. the glamorizarion of infidelity by the media is a big influence but the majority of blame must rest on the courts and women themselves. Infidelity is a choice. My brother’s ex-wife’s shrink told that infidelity is a symptom of a failed marriage, not a cause. What a load of bullshit. She finally broke down and admitted to him, among a flurry of tears, that she only married him because of his potential to provide and not for love. It’s sad he didn’t heed my warnings about this woman as he could have avoided an extreme amount of financial and emotional hardship. I know women are just as guilty of infidelity if not more so because I have often times been the “other man”. I was raised in the traditional model of respectng women nd all that comes with it. A painful lesson in my 20′s cured me of that as I came to realize that today’s woman is not to be trusted, ever. I have a married friend who is oblivious to his wife’s extramarital affairs. She has more than once hinted at sexual relations with me to no avail. The sad fact is he is so whipped he wouldn’t care if he found out. She is nothing more than a trophy for him and he treats her like an object. In turn she sleeps with other men. Gee, who wouldn’t want to get married.

The subtext when a girl says “I love you” in our culture is generally that she wants you to be exclusive to her, and is will to be for you as well. She’s seeking reassurance of her “ownership” of your exclusivity.

This is true for the great majority of girls but SG’s see and feel it all through the prism of misty love, rather than a considered deal.

Players need to communicate to a SG that while they love being with her and do feel love towards her, they also like freedom as well. I.e. don’t implicitly promise exclusivity towards SG’s if you aren’t gonna do that.

Unless you meant “You have no idea what it is like to be petrified about the prospect of having your heart ripped to shreds by the alpha cads that make my panties wet and whom I fantasize about, not the rest of the invisible men who I completely abhor“.

“I’ve had the wrong impression the entire time! Roissy, you do have a heart :)”

This blog has always been an agent of vengeance for feminisms attempt at female take all.

“Lie all you want to a lawyercunt or a slut or a golddigger or a single mom or a thrice divorcée, because being the instrument of karmic comeuppance is your male prerogative. ”

I believe for most men, if not all, the reward of monogamy could suffice if he retained the former respect and assurance of fidelity. This was especially true when the historic age gap of 5-10 years was maintained. If one combines a 10 year age gap with a loyal woman that historically maintained her feminine form. She would hit the wall in her forties which would certainly be extended by a life long relationship not necessarily subject the bare sexual market place. In other words a loyal wife is not so easily cast aside especially when she is nearly as young as any replacement, for few 50 something men can bag a 20 something without materialism. A car one bought as new is not quite like a used one on the lot.

Certainly from a perspective of sexual pleasure it is somewhat at a cost but it is offset from the satisfaction of a nuclear family.

However the benefits of monogamy for men have been largely curtailed since women can exchange their sex for material wealth with a quick divorce and retain it for some time while a man cannot buy fidelity. He can lose his sex appeal with an appeal. Thus the benefit reward proposition points towards that of karmic vengeance and sexual pleasure.

Though I believe there is still an option for a nuclear family if one prudently selects a young foreign wife with the assumed pluses and minuses.

You’re likely to get sincerely warmhearted by her display. So smile, kiss her, and embrace her. Its honest, and will make her feel vallued.

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Now me… I had an LTR with one sensitive girl, for three years.

Like old marriages, I was never “in love” with her, though in time I learned to love her.

But back then I was a perverse child-man. Amused with the way I could get anything I wanted from her, who gratefully and eagerly did her best to please me.

Then one day I broke up with her. And worse: I used her for the next year as a back-up. She kept the hopes of a comeback for almost one year.

What a cynical beast I was. She truly loved me, and all I could think about was how hard I could push her.

I was her first man, and I taught her that love was about lust and games. Can a man make a slut? If yes, then I made one. My foul creation… a brokenhearted girl determined to punish other men to avenge herself.

Ocasionally she lets me know she is alive. Talk for a bit, and disapear again. She is my Portrait of Dorian Grey.

I said I learned to love her.

I still do… but I broke her. And I dont think I can fix it. And I never found her again in any other body.

Excellent post. A player has to have to have a heart, otherwise, he’s not a player, he’s a sociopath.

That’s one of my fears about sites like this or books on Game. It’s great for the guy who wants to meet more and better girls because he *likes* girls. But like with guns, I hate to see it get into the wrong hands and used for harm, rather than good.

@Ascending Alpha: Girl tears are scary powerful. When I was dating my ex, on the few occasions that she cried, all I wanted was for her to stop crying at any cost. It’s like a man’s kryptonite.

Naaaah.

Perhaps I’ve been there too many times, and my heart is too hard, but in my experience there are few techniques to deal with waterworks:

1. Assuming you were both sitting, sit back and regard her with a nonchalant wry smile until she stops. Or pick up the book, magazine or whatever you were doing before and continue reading.

2. Mock her. “Oh, cut out the water works!”. “I am not going to get you blah, blah, blah, just because of a few tears.” and so on

3. Walk away.

Another thing you can do, to prevent the waterworks before they even happening, is during normal conversation, when she might be explaining that one of her girlfriends wants to do something/go somewhere, but the girlfriend’s man won’t comply. You can say something like: “Well, why doesn’t she turn on the waterworks? That’s what women usually do isn’t it?” It’s very important you say this with a smile and perhaps slight mocking irony. You don’t want to come across as a twisted, bitter beta. Done properly, this is almost certain to stop her trying the the waterworks nonsense on you.

Black girls never cry. Also athletic girls. One girl I half-dated who got a volletball scholarship did cry once though, when she lost her wallet. The truth was though that I actually stole it because who gives a fuck about a whore?

Damn! Roissy has just nailed it. I’ve had an experience with an SG and I handled it all wrong. Now I know how to handle them. Thank you Roissy. You’re doing great work. At least I’m sure you’ve changed my life with your amazing posts.

Great post, tight prose, and yet more evidence that the most alpha act ever is the ability to love unconditionally, to fully abandon one’s self to love. The deepest, tightest vulnerability game is actual, true & authentic vulnerabiltiy.

Of course, a true alpha allows himself to reach true & total vulnerabilty ONLY with the most deserving, an honorable young, hot, tight, SG in her prime, a young hottie SG with integrity. Unfortunately, as we’ve lamented all too long, but with great truth and sincerity, that line of XX chromosomes is almost extinct, thanks mostly to feminism.

Re: Cassius & Riff dog: the slutty SG–this may be the female version of the spergy male omega. Some new research suggests that Asperger’s may be the male polar neurosis, and schizophrenia, the female version.

“Breakups often hit her completely unawares. She will mewl for reassurances from you that you won’t leave her. She cries just imagining a breakup, and will tremble with anxiety if you so much as hint at dissatisfaction with the relationship.”

oh this sounds so familiar… roissy nailed it.

“don’t tell them you love them if you don’t. There is a personal code of honor even the cruelest player abides. Violate at your own risk.”

so the sociopathic player types do have a little empathy. very surprising!

Against the grain here, terrible post. Sensitive Girls deserve no more nor less pity and compassion than beta males. If they cry because they want the impossible: an Alpha with beta characteristics, well, it is their fault for not being realistic and honest with themselves. Even the most beautiful and sexy women get cheated on by Alpha A-holes.

If women want the thrill, be they Sensitive Girls or the smoking hot 8-10’s, they better be prepared to get their hearts broken well and good. If they don’t want that, choose the most faithful beta, knowing full well he’s a Kitchen Bitch and unexciting.

Flip the script: “sensitive” beta male cries because he gets used as emotional dumping ground for hot chicks who screw bad boys. Would anyone care? Nope. That’s the way life is.

I would not advise anyone to go out of their way to be cruel to another person, but lets face it, 99.99999% of Sensitive Girls would rather have an Alpha a-hole and heartache than a beta Kitchen Bitch who adored her and would tell her he loves her sickeningly day after day. They’d count themselves blessed even with the heartache, over sexless and joyless adoration by some beta.

And no, an Alpha male is one who is attractive to the widest group of women. That’s all. There is nothing moral or immoral about it. Love unconditionally? THAT is the mark of a mewling, supplicating beta pining away for some chick doing bad boys. Or a dog. An Alpha male ALWAYS makes a woman qualify and keep qualifying her worthiness to be with him against other women. That is precisely why women long for an Alpha.

Lesson: embrace your inner asshole. Even a SG would prefer to have her heart broken than never have an Alpha A-hole in the first place. Don’t be cruel but don’t worry about it either. No one cares in the least about a beta male, why should they care about a SG? Too bad for them.

Yes we do. We just don’t generally cry in front of people because (if we were raised traditionally) crying got us beat harder growing up. By the time we’re women, we’ve been trained to have an extremely high tolerance for both emotional and physical pain.

For this reason, some people feel free to hurt us because they think we don’t feel anything. Because of this, we get used to being hurt, and don’t expect people not to want to hurt us.

It seems kinda sick, but it does come in handy. I’ve survived things that I’m sure would have put a differently oriented and differently raised person in the asylum, jail, or the grave.

It’s not that I don’t feel deeply. It’s that I grew up with the clear understanding that my feelings mean nothing to whoever’s holding the belt.

I have one SG in my life. I have been honest with her that I have been other women and continue to be. Should I feel guilt? Should I make sure she is aware of the other women? Should I remove myself from her life because I am not ready for a single steady?

Damn how I whish I had this insight two years ago. I ruined 3 perfect SGs of the young/naive type. Still feeling bad for “gaming” them. They were so honest, true girls and had to deal with all my immature/learning “alpha” BS… Ruined their innocence for life…

Last night I watched the film “Prime” with my SG (EE) girlfriend 25 years younger and two years with me. It was about a 37 year old Uma Thurman dating a man 14 years younger than her. When the story ended with the age difference having been too much and the relationship failing, I said that US feminists were probably not happy with such an ending (they would promote cougarism) but US feminists certainly would spin that film ending to say that any age difference relationship would likely end in failure, meaning if the man was 37 and the woman 24, it would end in disaster. My SG looked distraught at the idea that any group of Americans would look at our relationship as even abnormal, much less likely to fail.

She asked me more about feminism. I said “well US feminists believe the state should punish a man for having had a child and for a relationship with a woman not working out…by charging him far too much child support per month than a child really needs.

I expected her to agree with my analysis on this like she’d agreed with the analysis on age difference. She had never been propagandized by US feminists before.

But she started hyperventilating, acting out and crying because she took the abstract hypothetical guy and gal that to mean I might leave her barefoot and pregnant or as a single mom.

She’s still crying 24 hours later. I hit a nerve somehow.

This is what comes from establishing real relationships with non-feminist women.

If the girl is very gifted academically and considered physically attractive, she will become a phallic or exhibitionistic narcissistic.

If the girl is only an average student (or worse) and considered to be no better than average-looking, she will become a closet narcissist.

Where there is a discrepancy between academic ability and physical appearance, or in the case of girls born in rural regions or to poor families, the latter will typically prevail in determining narcissist type.

lol narcissists either way and heartbroken betas left behind in their trails, that they will never think of except to chuckles and howls of laughter when chatting up old girlfriends.

After she was settled in, and we were both seated at the dining room table, I asked her to tell me what was really going on. I commented on how I realized a girl like her could get any man she wanted, so why would she be interested in a 30-year old guy like me who hadn’t accumulated much wealth and only had a four-year college education? After starring at and sizing me up for what felt like an eternity, while weighing all her options, she then proceeded to tell me the truth. As it turned out, she had lied about everything. She had not broken up with her 65-year old boyfriend at all. She was with me because they had a big fight after he had refused to marry her again. She admitted that her only interest in me was to get a visa to America.

It’s hard to describe, but I don’t think I had ever been more heartbroken and disappointed than I was at the particular moment in time. I had never been married before so I was looking for a real wife, not a business deal, and I told her so. I then asked her to book a return flight back to her 65-year old boyfriend the next day. That was my third and last try with a Chinese girl. Although I remained in China for another two years before returning back to the states, I never dated another one again. I wouldn’t dare.

Casey says, “So said the passive-agressive Nicole – that is… every Domme is PS to the extreme.”

I am not passive aggressive. I’m aggressive aggressive when I need to be.

On the Domme thing, I believe that dominance is relative. I was pretty successful at it because so many men are less dominant than me, which I didn’t have the sense to be sad about until I met my legal husband. I just kinda went with the flow.

He’s taught me a lot, and one important thing is that I’m not as “man” as I thought I was. The scale in the west is just out of whack.

Especially since leashing my inner bitch, I don’t attract so many girly or submissive men, and dominant men who don’t even want to shag me (that I know of) want to be around me. I get to see the other side for a change.

If I was naturally dominant, I wouldn’t be so comfortable with this. I guess my point is that people do a lot of things, and wear whatever mask they need to, in order to cope with their world or how they perceive it to be, anyway. Naturally dominant women are passive aggressive because they’re dominant minds living in submissive bodies. She becomes a manipulator because that is her best weapon.

A woman whose personality is not naturally dominant though, may butch up to survive, but she isn’t enjoying it. It also doesn’t get her very far except maybe by luck.

Good article and so true. One of my brothers married a crazy woman who cheated on him throughout their entire marriage (revealed after divorce) despite having two children. My brother was a devoted father and husband. Now just a devoted father. He was taken to the cleaners by an adulterous woman and of course the courts sided with her.
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So now it is out. See for every man a woman fucks up there are brothers and friends who get to learn the lesson.

””””She finally broke down and admitted to him, among a flurry of tears, that she only married him because of his potential to provide and not for love.”””””’

Hard core shit. Just shows how men need to test a chick and roll her and make her ready to break and make her fucking create something before any talk of marriage. You better go at least 5 years to see if you still feel like fucking this chick and then never get married in the west anyway. It doesn’t add anything to the picture in the west. There is no need for it. Just pomise each other to be together ala natural born killer type wedding. Or if you get married put a list of stipulation on the chick and what is expected of her so that when she fails you now have the power over her. You don’t pomise shit except to love her you make her promise concrete list of items that you want. Don’t need paper just she knows that you know what she pomised. Re-enforce it multiple times before marriage. Talk about the shit that you expect from the woman. I think that is what is lacking. Guys don’t expect shit and they are conditioned that the woman saying yes to marriage is the reward. No.
All those omega movies and shit about the guy proposing and shit and wondering if she will say yes or not are bullshit. You need to talk about the criteria. You ain’t winning the lottery because some chick said yes to marriage she is.

Have to agree with Whiskey. I like SG’s, but Ive never met a SG who had any respect for a beta male. Married to one, yes.

Sure, some girls are genuinely feeling creatures, transient as the emotions may be. But they all are utterly disgusted with male emotion.

@ schfifty five
To me a “sensitive girl” is one who is ALSO empathic towards beta males even though such a girl is indeed rate. What you describe is what I call “emotional girls”… they care about feelings…but only their own.

Nicely written, quite poetic. However the only time this should really matter to a player is if said SG is hot. If she is hot you keep a girl like this, whether you are banging on the side or not, she’s a gem. If she isn’t feel free to let her know what cruel hard world it is out there for her, you are actually doing her a favour that way. If you’re throwing away actually quality girls, you’re doing everyone a deservice. No one says you can’t still bang on the side. So why a break a hot girls heart? I keep’em intact case i want to return to the sweet poon town.

Top three worst things I ever did in my life was either knowingly or unknowingly destroy a SG. Sadly they’re so rare you forget sometimes they exist and your game/strategy never accounts for that until it’s too late. I try to assuage my guilt by excusing the conditioning I received dealing with the 400 other psychotic girls for the one SG.

Evil and Whiskey, women who are women want men. I don’t feel that women need to apologize for that.

Part of being a good wife is being a kind of safe place for a man to express his emotional side, but there’s a limit. She doesn’t want a gushing sycophant for the same reason you don’t want a bull headed bitch.

Roissy, I know a SG who is at least an 8. She is from a religious background which is how she managed to make it to adulthood without having her heart ripped from her chest. She is the sort of girl you can’t bring yourself to game. She is also very feminine and unassuming about her looks which makes her kryptonite to most men.

”””””””””This is not to say that a high-polygyny society cannot evolve into a low-polygyny one. It can, if the material conditions of life change. We see this happening as Africans move off the land and into cities and towns, where women can less easily feed themselves and their children without assistance (1). Urban African men are less likely to be polygynous because it costs them more to provide for a second wife.

I too, have found it difficult to maintain resolve in the face of tears, and have given away years of my life to a woman who could manipulate with tears.

However, it has occurred to me more and more lately that 90% of a woman’s tears are nothing more than a physical expression of overwhelming self-pity. They are feeling sorry that they can’t have the alpha they don’t deserve, or that they got fat and therefore got dumped, or that they have to go out into the dating world again. The tears are about themselves and their self-pity, not about earnest feelings of heartbreak over you. You see, they had big plans for manipulating you for their own ends, for years to come, so it is very hard for them to accept when that plan comes crashing down.

When viewed through this lens, the waterwoiks are way easier to brush off.

Where does this come from? This is only a problem if you’re not honest with yourself or her. It should be crystal clear from every angle that you only want sex and fun from a girl who is willing to bang after minimal investment. If she starts to cling, explain politely and walk. Unless you really do want a family story, in which case that’s another game — related, but another game.

Don’t be conned.. the girl “in love” will fuck another guy at a drop of a hat once you leave town for a bit and lose all love in a heartbeat. She’s violent and prone to suicide. A girl rapidly proclaiming her “love” is evidence of a disorder, so stop flattering yourself.

[Editor: Nobody mentioned anything about “rapidly” proclaiming love. What was said is that SGs are the first to proclaim love, not that they necessarily do it quickly.]

If you want a real “SG”… you’ll never find a hot one in the single market above 24. Being an SG, they’ve already had marriage plans and have the looks to execute their plan. unlike other women, SG’s rarely dump men, so hot ones get locked into relationships usually before they graduate college.

Girls like that are rare as radium. In all my life, I knew only two. A friend of mine went out with one for months. She was a sweet nerd, a 8 who thought she was a 4. He didn’t love her, but managed to deflower her. Then he dumped her. A truly vile deed.

Whiskey, The post is the opposite of beta bait. If a girl is genuinely sensitive and sweet and affectionate, then a casual break-up is beyond cruel. Dump a girl if she’s a selfish sociopath (like most of them), but don’t hurt a quality woman needlessly.

Reading this, I am the girl you describe…my first boyfriend I was 19 (i was a really shy girl and ugly duckling) and he broke my heart, i never slept with him though. I didn’t keep contact with him afterwards even though he tried, because he dumped me and all i wanted to do was hide and run away from him whilst simultaneously wanting to be with him still so much. I didn’t go out with any guys for ages after him because being a naive romantic girl i thought he might come back to me and i wanted him to be my one and only boyfriend.

As i think i am too sensitive to get heartbroken again, i am going to take your advice and go for a guy who really thinks i am the best he can do. If i have children one day, i want them to have a reliable father.

Women, and their mangina enablers, have nearly destroyed the exceptional society that men built in the West. And really, the only legal way we can seek revenge is by seducing them and breaking their hearts.
Boys, carry on. It’s payback time. There shall be no sanctuary!

I’m having a hard time understanding with some of the comments.. If you’ve come across a true SG you will find yourself not wanting to hurt her, Unless you’re a sociopath… You will bow out of the relationship, leaving her a minimally damaged as you can, as you just can’t be that guy to destroy what is so rare to find these days.

I’ve had two in my life and as hard as I fought it I actually found myself seriously thinking about the possibility of settling down finally without any complaints. In the end i had to tell them in so many words that if they stayed with me they were going to get hurt.

The problem is that most of these “SG’s” aren’t really “SG’s” and women love to pose as them… narcissists can the emotional response. Women will tell men they love them out of guile as often as men do. In borderlines the emotions are real, but out of some desperate need for a connection. A call for honor among players??

We live in an era of treacherous nihilism and your site is our best guide, so don’t become a softie on us.

You call them SG, I call them “Golden Girls.” Not because I have a thing for Bea Arthur, but because these are the few women who actually have hearts of gold. The problem is that you can’t recognize them until you’ve stomped on them.

I’ve dated a few, and dumped them, and look back on them with fondness. These were the women who really liked me for me, who really weren’t playing any games, and who really were genuine down to their souls. I probably could have married any of them if I’d wanted.

Of course every girl would classify herself as an “SG,” but only a few truly are.

sg’s as has been established above are very rare. i agree with roissy they normally are to be found in the 5-7 range with each point above a 5 increasing their concomitant rarity. however, an sg that is 8 or above is beyond rare, in fact i don’t think any exist in the usa, she must be found overseas.

If we sound cold and unfeeling towards SGs, it’s because most of us were kicked to the curb by these girls in our formative years when we showed a little sensitivity. No matter how S an SG may be, she’s stomped on some emo dude’s heart in the past. Believe that.

Women wanted equality, and it’s time we gave it to them. Sensitive? Emotional? Tough titty. I used to be a man who cared, and you ladies hated me for it.

This post is illustrative of the dangers inherent in a righteously hard and harsh thinker succumbing to noble and tender sentiments. Three cheers for a code of honor and I agree completely with the spirit of this post. But in the exuberance and euphoria of airing noble sentiments, the author has (very uncharacteristically) allowed maudlin and dissolute sentiments to creep in. Specifically, w/r/t being an instrument of karmic retribution, there is absolutely NO REASON why “aging cougars” poised on the precipice of losing their looks should be spared from that retribution. Other SG’s should be spared, yes. But those “cougars” who have become fugazi SG’s through sheer exhaustion and defeat? To hell with them.

Whiskey, The post is the opposite of beta bait. If a girl is genuinely sensitive and sweet and affectionate, then a casual break-up is beyond cruel. Dump a girl if she’s a selfish sociopath (like most of them), but don’t hurt a quality woman needlessly.

Nah. I’m with the Whisk on the this one. Mind you I’m going into my 40’s and perhaps am exhibiting the onset of crotchetiness. No one gives a fiddler’s fart about a beta male. Why should I care about an SG? The whole world of male/female relations in 2010 is a clusterfuck. Just watching it from the sidelines like I do is somewhat surreal. Throw in GBFM’s angle that we are all just a bunch of bread and circus loving fiat currency jaggoffs and now you’ve got yourself a hyper-clusterfuck. An SG still has a fb account, skype, cellphone, website, and her own myspace page. We’re all just slaves of biotechnology now anyway.

There will be plenty of time in the life of a SG to complete the process of evisceration and desouling. It especially is true if Bernanke and his clouds of fiat money or on the job. They could get it over with in seconds but it would not be fun to watch.
But it is never fun to watch when it is not neccasary. Stupid, spoiled dogs (or kids) can be retrained and made usefully without them being flogged to the point of death and subsequently made useless for anything except adding their still lush bodies to the nihilistic scrum of the modern dating life

“Bonnie” of Bonnie and Clyde was a a real creampuft inside. She was only a 19 when all that happened and she was still quite virginal by the standards of West Dallas in the 1930s. She wrote poetry. She dreamed of pop stardoom, she sincerely regretted shooting all those people in law enforcement. And every now and then she questioned the deaths of the innocent ones.
Sweet Girls are indeed hard to find and when you find them they are usualyy already dead or dying from close range gunshots made by meanies who refused to accept her for who she is (and what sge does for fun.()

“How on earth can you “fall in love” with any woman knowing she’ll get old and unattractive in your eyes…doesn’t that negate the very meaning of love?”

not sure but many of our grandparents managed it somehow. maybe your mind set changes when you’re older and married to some old broad..at least you’re two oldies together and not necessarily going to die alone. I guess what i’m saying is that perhaps “companionate” love takes over from there.

What are the circumstances for an alpha male waiting until marriage for a virgin?

I am reasonably attractive (a model), and have my own smarts and ambitions (applying to buisness school at 19 years old)

The man is 8 years older with major alpha characteristics – ex-Special Forces and really good looking. However, when dealing with me, he leans towards a beta side – really playful, kind of like a kid asking for attention. He still gets my panties wet 🙂

I know he dragged his ex-girlfriend through a 3.5 year relationship before. He was very flirty with me when he was with her (she and I never met face-to-face)

I like the guy but am am afraid to get hurt. Would like to hear insights from the always colorful characters of this blog 🙂

I knew one SG about 6 years ago and to this day I still think about her. She’s married now, probably to some beta, I don’t know the guy. She’s polish, an adorable, unassuming, pure-of-heart little thing, in huge contrast to the uber-cunt I was dating at the time.

He’s running Vulnerability Game because he can afford to. Some of the guys who post the most macho statements on this blog are sometimes the ones whose status (often extreme youth) leaves them no room to do this.

Thanks, by the way, for admiring veterans. A lot of guys skip the military because of a short-sighted attitude that there’s not much action with women in middle eastern deserts or on the high seas. They don’t see the social currency value that comes afterward. After 9-11, while the NASDAQ plummeted, the value of being a vet skyrocketed and has held its value. Even in foreign countries that were recently at war with the USA (e.g. Serbia), women can admire those who served on the other side (just don’t say you were in a bomber), and I think it has more to do with just the genetic desire of women to want a guy who would be willing to protect their inner circle. It has to do with women wanting a guy who could claim to have been a part of world history…instead of just being a fly on the wall.

That said, if your guy going to look like Steven Segall at age 50, then your being 19 now doesn’t mean all that much because there are babies out there who would be your competition then. Like the queen in Snow White, you could be saying “Mirror, Mirror on the wall” for 20 years and suddenly it will say “There’s one more fair than you and she’s a waitress at Denny’s”.

Still, you could get him to have kids with you now, which will at least lock him into being your main partner for life (that’s what two thirds of the whole child support system is really for: preventing men from abandoning women). Just don’t trick him into a pregnancy. Tell him you’ll be fair about any child support regime that may arise from a breakup. It actually makes a man lose sexual interest if a woman talks to him in a feminist manner about how child support laws are great.

(Incidentally guys, a Republican in Ohio just co-sponsored a new bill to raise child support to astronomical levels).

”””1) SB 292 would, for the first time, establish a “self-support” reserve that is based solely on an obligor’s income, to help prevent a child support order from impoverishing the obligor.
2) SB 292 would, for the first time, recognize at least a few of the nonresident parents’ expenses by establishing a modest credit for exercising standard parenting time.
3) SB 292 would allow additional income earned from secondary employment or overtime that was undertaken to support a second family to be disregarded in setting an obligor’s child support payments.
4) SB 292 would allow a court to reduce a parent’s child support obligation based on college expenses for a child even if the child is emancipated.””””

Roissy, with this short burst of romanticism you really ought to have told players not just to not lie about love, but to stay far, far away from SGs. For the good of everyone, just stay away.

Most of us have the instincts to stay away from players, but particularly when young, we’re too trusting. One of my friends had a game that he loved to play with me. He could tell me any tall tale with a straight face and I’d believe him. Literally anything. He got me every time. I couldn’t understand why this was fun for him.

“unlike other women, SG’s rarely dump men…get locked into relationships usually before they graduate college.”

””””””Senate Bill 292, recently introduced by Ohio Sens. Shirley A. Smith, D-Cleveland, and Bill Seitz, R-Cincinnati, would drastically raise Ohio child-support obligations. The average schedule increase for two children would be 27 percent, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services.”””””

Oh shit lol

So you gonna need two jobs to have any money.

If you living on 20 percent now of your check then they take 27 percent raise on support now you got 10 percent good luck lol

””””Federal Office of Child Support Enforcement data shows that two-thirds of those behind on child support nationwide earn poverty-level wages, and less than 4 percent of the national child-support debt is owed by those earning $40,000 or more a year. ””””””””

Very nice post. I used to be easily manipulatable by tears- no more. I think most women, especially when inexperienced, have a strong SG component to their personalities. It may not always predominate, but it’s there.

All things are possible if you are really in love with each other. If he wants to be screwing around with other women until your wedding night, he is not really in love with you. Virgins have to move fast though — you should be getting to know each other rapidly enough that it’s possible to decide to get married within less than a year, and engagements should also last less than a year.

Good Christ this whole article was beta bait. I’ve never read more sappy, sob story responses on this blog. All it took was a plea for kindness for the mythological sensitive girl that damn near all guys want to “take care of” and all girls would have you believe they are.

Never forget, 5 minutes of Alpha trumps 5 years of Beta. Never forget because your sensitive girl never will either.

Rollo Tomassi: “sensitive girls” do exist. I’ll go as far as saying that, barring high-T outliers and daughters of single moms, this describes nealry all girls absent fiat butthex desouling. None of this, of course, negates the fact that you can’t ruin her wonderfulness by being a beta.

“Good Christ this whole article was beta bait. I’ve never read more sappy, sob story responses on this blog. All it took was a plea for kindness for the mythological sensitive girl that damn near all guys want to “take care of” and all girls would have you believe they are.”

This is not a beta bait. This is a realistic and brave hedonists observation that doing some selfish things for your pleasre can create guilt that is very unpleasureable and makes you feel bad.

You know – penis is not the only thing that sends signals of pleasure or pain – at least for most men.

Unrelated: Apparently the CIA has been secretly buying up (offers that can’t be refused) all the AK-47 rounds on the market, thus starving the Taliban of ammunition in Afghanistan. If that’s the case, hats off to someone with a brain.

Another somewhat unrelated news item: Sensitive girl Kate Middleton has finally convinced Prince William to marry her and produce little heirs to the British throne (she’s small in stature so they will be little).

Tons of EE SGs have no social media account and, thus, don’t really talk much with the outside world and certainly don’t broadcast their thoughts (posts, comments).

They then latch onto one man and he becomes their world.

We’re talking non-English speakers mainly.

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There’s also a paradox where EE SGs who cleave onto a guy are also among the most self confident, their community’s highest quality, often upper middle class and best educated (minus the “women’s studies” courses they were never exposed to). Naive yes, but they can be much more proud of and themselves and self-assured compared to sluts and feminists.

The ones who’ve latched onto me in EE happened to be the non-English speakers who came from the best families, were the most intellectual and had the best traditional, marriage-oriented outlook on life.

Again, totally naive, yes. But worthy of respect.

But not so much respect that a guy should forgo other opportunities by actually marrying an SG or seeing her more than 3 times per week.

Rye is a troll. Real SGs (and there are very, very few of them) don’t write this kind of thing:

The man is 8 years older with major alpha characteristics – ex-Special Forces and really good looking. However, when dealing with me, he leans towards a beta side – really playful, kind of like a kid asking for attention. He still gets my panties wet 🙂

Against the grain here, terrible post. Sensitive Girls deserve no more nor less pity and compassion than beta males. If they cry because they want the impossible: an Alpha with beta characteristics, well, it is their fault for not being realistic and honest with themselves. Even the most beautiful and sexy women get cheated on by Alpha A-holes.

If women want the thrill, be they Sensitive Girls or the smoking hot 8-10′s, they better be prepared to get their hearts broken well and good. If they don’t want that, choose the most faithful beta, knowing full well he’s a Kitchen Bitch and unexciting.

Flip the script: “sensitive” beta male cries because he gets used as emotional dumping ground for hot chicks who screw bad boys. Would anyone care? Nope. That’s the way life is.

Excellent point. Thought experiments that flip the sexes always clear the mind and flush away any bullshit emotionalism. These unicorn-like SGs want to eat the meal but they don’t want to pay the bill. Fuck that. I don’t get that privilege as a person with balls, why should they just because they have tits?

Equal means equal on every single level, so far as I am concerned. Thanks for the clarification.

I have to laugh whenever I read posts that actually speak of the good qualities of women vs. the bad; it always seems to make all the girls/women who read this blog try to convince everyone that they have those good qualities, or are one of the rare ones who don’t have whatever bad quality is being discussed.

even the 19yr old girl who is a supposed virgin/model/student asking for all your manly advice….she only posted to gain notoriety in a manipulative fashion. She wanted to portray herself as young and pretty, and innocent, and willing to date older men. She was not asking for advice, she was seeking attention. “look at me, I am special” type comments from women on this board are incredible. All women think they are special, esp. the single ones! Hence why they are single…they are too special for the average man! They are so special they expect good men to wait until marriage to have sex with them!

My wife is 22, (I met her when she was 17) a genuine girl and treats me like I am the end all be all, but she would be the last one to sing her own praises, she knows how tacky that is, even online! Even if she is unique, she never acknowledges it, to acknowledge it degrades it. A woman who knows her worth is good, a woman who touts her virtues like a vender in the street is ingenuous and manipulative.

ps to the 19 year old – my wife was a virgin when I met her, she never expected me to abstain. The only guys who will are the ones you are not attracted to. She won me over to marriage where other women failed because she was up front and honest, she expects nothing but treats me like I gave her everything. She never expected me to marry her, she did not think that far ahead, plotting to save virginity for marriage from the beginning of a secular relationship is manipulative. Virginity has no value if you are conniving a way to keep it until he has no other options. If you think he values your virginity enough to essentially purchase it by way of marriage, you are likely mistaken… you are worth much less if he cannot break the chastity belt.

The point is that you can never, ever know if you’re dating a SG until after you’ve stomped on her heart. So go ahead and stomp, the blogger isn’t saying you should stop.

It’s like in quantum theory where you actually determine the past by what you do in the present. If you don’t stomp on the girl’s heart, it will turn out that she is a secret bitch who will use you and then toss you aside. If you do stomp, often times you will find that what you stomped on was a heart of gold.

While it makes sense on one hand that SGs have fragile self-confidence, it also makes a lot of sense that a woman who thinks she can seriously hold on to a quality guy (or Alpha which we’ll assume would be an overlapping group on a Venn diagram) for the rest of his life must have rock-solid self-confidence.

The sluts and the feminists have fewer illusions about where they’ll ultimately stand with the guys they really want. That can’t be described as self confidence can it?

LOL, we’re discussing the topic, but most of us know at least a little of each other’s backstory. So whatever we’re saying has to be viewed in that context.

I am trying to be more sensitive because the feelings are there, but it’s hard to let go of that safety shield. At the moment, I’m debating with myself about how many Facebook notes and cards per week say “cute”, and how many say “stalker”. I’m in a long distance relationship with a ship’s engineer. No idea where he is on the general scale, but he’s alpha enough for me.

If I was acting on impulse, he’d get two a day, one before I start work, and the other before I go to sleep. I am so out of practice I have no idea what’s expressing sentiment and what’s pressure.

I think you’re right about the virginity thing. I’ve tried to explain to others that chastity isn’t what raises a woman’s relevance to a specific man unless it’s *his* choice. Selectiveness is important, but if a woman knows she’s been acquired, she should let the guy lead…unless she’s a 7+ holding out for the highest bidder.

While it makes sense on one hand that SGs have fragile self-confidence, it also makes a lot of sense that a woman who thinks she can seriously hold on to a quality guy (or Alpha which we’ll assume would be an overlapping group on a Venn diagram) for the rest of his life must have rock-solid self-confidence.

Virtually noone who reads this blog has to worry about meeting SGs, because unless you’re in high school, or living in Iowa or Nebraska, you’re not going to meet any. Certainly not in the Soddom and Gomorrah that are the coastal cities. A truly warm, genuine woman who wears her heart on her sleeve, and eagerly wants to connect with a man for good is referred to as “Solid Gold”. There’s another name for such women: “Happily Married in her early 20s”. No, the players, cads, degenerates and nihilists that inhabit this board (being a fellow reader, I mean that in the most endearing way possible) probably won’t ever meet such women, unless invited to her house for Thanksgiving as a guest. Any single woman older than 25 who displays these characteristics is faking it. So this post is only useful to guys under 22.

SG’s want two things mutually exclusive. A guy who will not break her heart by screwing other women, and a guy who every other woman wants. She could get a nice guy who would remain faithful and devoted, a good husband and father. But he would not be the dominating and sexy guy every other woman wants as well.

So who cares about a SG? She can choose, either way, and be damned. She won’t get what she wants. I have no pity for her. Indeed she would CHOOSE heartbreak over fidelity every single time. And count herself lucky. Why then should I care in the slightest? What’s in it for me? Nothing.

And who cares if her heart is broken? She won’t want a beta guy anyway, by definition she went for an Alpha A-hole and reliably got her heart broken. Does anyone care about a beta male? Nope. That’s the reality of the sexual marketplace. A beta male figuring he can have the undivided attention, even, much less affection of a woman who is even moderately attractive has only his own Kitchen Bitch delusions to blame for a broken heart.

The marketplace punishes his stupidity. Same with a SG. She has only herself to blame for not figuring out that the only way to keep a hot Alpha faithful is to nab one in his late 50’s so he has no other options. It’s her own damn fault for getting her heart broken, same as the beta male (who btw will also be far less useful as a husband). The flip-side to a SG “ruined” is a cynical and bitter beta male who will never ever commit, having been burned and wised up to the nature of the marketplace. [Most betas are incapable of permanent and complete Alpha transformations. If self-aware, this leads to risk aversion by no commitment.]

Both SG and Betas need to be aware of the realities of the sexual marketplace, face their own value and plan accordingly. Less romantic tales of love and devotion, and more accurate assessments of what they can get. If all you can afford in the marketplace is transient hook-ups every now and then, as a beta male posing as an Alpha for a while, and you know it, the sting and disappointment goes away. Same for a SG. If she’s told, and faces the truth she can’t get that Alpha guy under 55 to be faithful, and commit, and she knows it, no more pain.

The marketplace is cruel for those without knowledge and self-knowledge. Knowing does not make one more valuable, but it does prevent one from under-selling. SG’s don’t need or deserve pity and compassion, they need INFORMATION. So they can choose, and be damned, either way but make an informed choice.

“SG’s want two things mutually exclusive. A guy who will not break her heart by screwing other women, and a guy who every other woman wants.”

No, not who every woman wants to actually shag or marry, but who every woman with a working set of ovaries *respects*. There’s a difference.

I think many here mistake the two, which is understandable, but kind of confuses the issue. Respect is the seed of desire for women, no doubt, but it is not desire itself. Speaking generally here because most are not as independent and “sigma” type loving as myself, those of us who aren’t insane thug chasers want a man who we and other women recognize as a man.

The man just about every woman wants is way overqualified for most of us. That other women we consider socially important respect him as a man is more important. In some cases, who hates him says more about him than who likes him.

What’s even more important is whether or not other men respect him. This gets less airtime lately though because of male friends and relatives being shut out of the selection process.

“She could get a nice guy who would remain faithful and devoted, a good husband and father. But he would not be the dominating and sexy guy every other woman wants as well.”

What about being dominant precludes a man being faithful and devoted? In my experience, the more dominant a guy is, the more decisive he is. If he’s a cad, he’s unapologetically a cad, and if he’s a dad, he’s unapologetically a dad. Less dominant guys don’t know what the hell they want, and end up failing because they settle and don’t have the motivation to stay intense, or are too flaky and wander off behind a more dominant woman eventually.

“So who cares about a SG? She can choose, either way, and be damned. She won’t get what she wants. I have no pity for her. Indeed she would CHOOSE heartbreak over fidelity every single time. And count herself lucky. Why then should I care in the slightest? What’s in it for me? Nothing.”

Well, you’re not a Lesbian.

If you do indeed feel that you are psychologically beta, then it is best for you to avoid submissive women. You need a dominant woman who everyone wants to shag, who you can show off to your friends as the validation of your manhood.

She loves power, and will do whatever it takes from snorting meth to injecting clenbuterol to make sure she has it up until the limits of her skin elasticity, and when that fails, she’ll have it snipped, stretched, and stitched.

To get one like this, all you need is money and enough game so that she knows you’re not a complete girl.

Thank you for the insights. This is a really good blog not only for men to swap insights about women but for women to delve into the minds of men as well. Upon skimming the previous entries I also have to agree with other posters…Roissy indeed has a heart 🙂

I just wanted to make clear that everything I said was true.
I am 19, a working model… and a virgin (I had my first kiss when I was 18)

Believe it or not “pure” girls do exist (I think it was 1 out of every 4 girls in college was a virgin – gotta look for that source). Those girls just do not gain the notority and press like Karen Owen do.

I just want to put out there that of course there is some ego that goes with knowing that I am “untouched” and young…for now. How could you not? With plenty of beautiful girls all around that is a marketable pitch to attract a mate.

In the Army reserves, there is exposure to alpha males daily. I wanted to refrain myself from sleeping with anyone right away. What is interesting in any military enviroment is how the males outnumber the females. Guess what usually happens

@LOL

I am very happy that you found a wife and are able to see all those qualities in her. It appears that she reciprocates your feelings. Remember, this is a public forum and the reason why everyone posts with an alias is because it is anonymous. I am positive that your wife, when young, definately sought the same advice from older men and women in a similar blunt manner.

Honesty does account for the success of a good relationship. However, I am watching out to see if this guy was a predatory male. One poster said his friend deflowered a girl and left her right away. You look at all the jaded women…and the thought becomes incredibly frightening.

I do not wish to be a leech and want to bring home some of the bacon as well 🙂 while holding the traditional nurturing roles. I hold onto my virginity not because I want to “con” a man into marriage, nor is it for religious reasons (I am an athiest) but from reading this blog, I understand that the trade off for attaining as traditional a home life as possible entails that I beware of such aforementioned men and state personal attributes that could benefit a man if we were to couple.

Girl I’m interested in is basically a nerd but extremely gorgeous, she’s had grown men chasing her since she was in high school but followed the romantic ideal and didn’t do anything silly… until she had her heart broken by her first love. Then, she went off the rails and was totally at the mercy of guys interested in one thing. Her notch count is higher than she would like. Now, finishing college she’s carrying that baggage but still has the heart of a SG.

I can’t figure her out… very intelligent and sweet girl with an obviously deep soul, but with a list of exes as long as my arm!

She’s no SG if she’s got a notch count. Green light to mercilessly game her, etc.

@Citizen Renegade

You’ve got to respond to that link Silver Fox gave showing the OK Cupid dating site blogger’s radical feminist opinion that men simply have to start getting “realistic” and maybe start dating older women.

Men of all ages want the same age group. If women on dating sites won’t date more than 10 years up, men are advised to leave the US.

I seem to have specialized in relationships (some very long) with SGs. I even raised one from 4 to 17 years of age.

Yeah, they sort of understand your feelings, they certainly feel your pain. They feel it so much that it becomes their pain. Their pain at your pain becomes more important than your pain. Now (at some bottom-of-the-hamster-tray level) you’re seen as a bastard for inflicting this pain on them. Give it enough time and they will hate you for experiencing pain. So when they dump your sorry ass for a better deal, they won’t feel a morsel of true regret. It’s always and forever about them. Women are women; SGs are just more self-absorbed and self-deceiving than most.

I had a girl like this once who used to always send me text messages like “Whatchadoin?” and “Where are you???” at midnight when she knew damn well I had a girlfriend. If she asked me to do something with her, and I told her I couldn’t because I was doing something with my GF, she’d text back: “I hate your girlfriend!” LOL. What you stated is above is absolutely spot on.

“How on earth can you “fall in love” with any woman knowing she’ll get old and unattractive in your eyes…doesn’t that negate the very meaning of love?”

not sure but many of our grandparents managed it somehow. maybe your mind set changes when you’re older and married to some old broad..at least you’re two oldies together and not necessarily going to die alone. I guess what i’m saying is that perhaps “companionate” love takes over from there.

Older men’s libidos diminish, and older women have zero sexual market value (SMV) for men who didn’t know those women when they were younger. Therefore there is little benefit for old people already in relationships to go looking for something else.

The human need for companionship is as much of a biological reality as the physical need for sexual release. Lack of it causes physical problems (as demonstrated in experiments done on chimpanzees, though I’m sure we can think of anecdotal evidence with humans as subjects). It is so easy to forget that we are much spiritual as physical beings, and in the process become cynical about old fashioned ideals such as “growing old” with someone.

For a evo-psycho reason: Tribes that did not hold strong social bonds eventually died out due to conquest by more united ones. Indirectly, social bonding ensures the survival of our genes.

I know my comments are random at best and trollish at worst: but why do men feel the need to negate another man’s happiness even if it is found in the arms of a woman who isn’t “hot” or “worthy”? What is it to you? Don’t you all have better things to do? I personally would rather be clueless and happy than brilliant and perpetually discontent. Ok goodnight…

You’re right except for what’s going on in the mind of the male involved. You are totally right that a man shouldn’t care about what other guys are thinking.

If he knows he’d rather sleep with a 10, then his being married to a 9 makes him a beta to himself. But if he really is happy with a 7, like I’ve heard Roissy say he’d be if she loved him, then he is in a good position with himself.

My problem is that I have to have 10s. Not 9s but 10s. This makes me a miserable failure to myself (because by the time I game an 18 year old 10 into sex, she’s a year or two older and not a 10 anymore).

But I know most American guys would cut off one of their fingers to be with a 9.

Any guy who is really happy with a woman and not fooling himself is OK.

I just know that most men who say they are happy with their woman are either fooling themselves or lying.

23% of women r nuts. among 18-25, it is about 35%. sane gorgeous women rapidly form relationships… so you have to assume that 50%++ of single young hot women who can’t are basket cases. In big cities you’ve got to boost that up given the nihilistic environment and the efficient singles markets that screen wackjobs out of relationships and into slutdom. IN NYC, DC, SF, LA.. assume 75%++ of hotties are these lovelorn sulking depressives, con artists and boderlines that Roissy hails as “sensitive girls”… happens to the best of us.

I am not buying for two seconds that washed up slutty cougars are capable of caring about a man more than her blow dryer or her emotions aren’t solely a function of her depression and assorted mental maladies when she’s not kicking back the chardonnay.

as a friend put aptly about NYC girls..”you want the ones in therapy because at least they are getting treatment.”

This is the issue.. studiously avoided on this site… no, it isn’t just sociobiology, it is ubiquitous madness among hot single chicks in major US cities induced by modern liberal mores. The much envied “player” lifestyle in NYC is just a freak show of hot chicks with disorders where if you sleep with them you compound their woes.

«ubiquitous madness among hot single chicks in major US cities induced by modern liberal mores»

I think it is induced by ancient issues with being validated by fathers, and recent issues with maladjustment to very big, relatively fast, unprecedented changes in their situation as a category (for the first time in human history women can choose to be “men”, no to children, yes to career, and that is extremely stressful for them).

«a freak show of hot chicks with disorders where if you sleep with them you compound their woes.»

It is much worse than that, and it is the number one issue with being a PUA/player: sex and relationships are always two ways, because crazy chicks still have agency and men who are not stone cold sociopaths get affected. You become what you fuck and fucks *you*, and that compounds *your* woes if you sleep with girls with disorders.

A different comment: “game” is about getting laid, not about having “meaningful” relationships, and the first step is to abandon “oneitis” and targeting girls who want to fuck, in a “by numbers” strategy. The goal of “game” is not to get the love of *the* girl of your dreams one day, it is to fuck *a* girl who puts out now.

Sensitive/Golden Girls are simply not relevant to that; if only because there are too few of them to make a difference in a “by numbers” strategy.

Some recent posts here on “Roissy” seem to me a bit too much about “oneitis”, as in “what about gaming and getting laid with that one girl”. The correct approach for “game” is to not invest too much effort into any one girl, to quickly pass on to one more likely to put out. The challenge is not to get laid with *that* hot girl, it is to get laid with *a* hot girl. Sure, wasting good opportunities out of neglect is bad, but overinvesting in bad opportunities is worse.

Personal note: I am not playing “game”, just been a “natural” for a long time previously.