Really you want to start a revolution over people paying LESS taxes, now i really do believe this site is going to #. Listen this wasnt some company
with a couple multi millionaires paying employees, this was tax payer money. Due to unions raping our tax money and government raping us by tax with
over spending, we can no longer sustain our spending. I dont understand why people cant see that this has to be done. Oh no they are going to have
to pay 12% iinstead of 6% toward health care...Oh no they have to contribute to their own pensions. Anyone been to a dmv latley? Anyone see public
highways latley? You think these damn ppl deserve all these extra's..its bs...

Quit your crap and get a new name. They're taxpayers too, and they provide a service for your precious tax dollar. If you think the amount of your
taxes is going down because of this, think again. There is no tax base and this will further erode it. If you're so worried about your tax dollar why
aren't you out there screaming about the real waste going on in this country in billions and billions to fund illegal wars and as flat out give-aways
to other countries. Sure, pick on the teachers because it's so easy.

Under Texas’ Local Government Code, local police and firefighters can obtain collective bargaining rights if they follow certain statutorily
mandated steps. First, they must collect signatures from the lesser of 20,000 voters or five percent of the voting public. Once that threshold is met,
then the majority of local voters are given the opportunity to vote in a referendum. If a majority of the voters elect to confer collective bargaining
rights on their police and firefighters, only then do labor unions have the ability to negotiate with cities and counties on their members’
behalf.

Sounds like a sounder plan to me. For now. Don't expect it to last there, thought. They'll be coming after them soon too though. They want to bust
the unions and pensions in every state, for every job, public and private. Good luck to us all.

They are getting what the want. When they discover the deficit isn't going down perhaps it will sink into their head that it isn't the teacher down
the road who make 50K or the guy in the state mental ward making 30K who is at fault for everything.

The rich are so good at getting the working class to fight each other. And yes, it's a class war.

An anti-union bill that has set off massive protests in Wisconsin and seized the nation's attention cleared the state Assembly early Friday
morning but remains stuck in limbo because Senate Democrats who fled the state last week to block the vote show no signs of returning.

THE BIlL HAS NOT PASSED....it passed in the Assembly....still can't be passed in the Senate with the democrats holding out by leaving the state.

There has been no precedent set...there is not "victory"...nothing has happened.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
They want to bust the unions and pensions in every state, for every job, public and private. Good luck to us all.

Well, it's really about pulling the major funding groups for the Democrats, and crippling them accordingly. Most Republican money comes from the
corporations. Union money comes from the middle class. Look at the disparity between corporate salaries and those of the working man. Look at how much
the gap is widening.

Now how the hell can the common guy/gal stand up and fight for the benefit of the corporations and the lawmakers that enable them? Is all those new
jobs you suddenly have? Is it all your secure housing? The security of your pensions? Who do you imagine is closer to looking out for your
interests?

I think we're both right. It's a two-pronged attack. The real goal is to enslave people, no matter which sector they're in and drive wages down. If
they can reap hollow political victories along the way too and also enslave what remains of the real government and founding principles too. so much
the better.

Teachers, firefighters and police, etc, etc typically make the same as non-union states relative to the cost of the living. And in the states where
teachers make significantly more money, union dues are higher.. for teachers the average starting wage union or not is around 32-33k/year and tenure
45-60k More affluent communities have higher paid teachers of course.

Personally, I went to a Catholic school where the teachers were non-union and made less than public school teachers in the nearby schools. They
stayed though, because they loved teaching.. and when the public schools, who made about 15k more per teacher and used 5 times the funding as our
Catholic school, were nearly shut down for failing grades and poor test scores.. my school scored off the charts.

Personally, I don't think the issue lies with teachers but with administrators.. and unions. I should support unions since both parents belong to
one (mother is actually a member of a public teachers union) and my own wife is a member of a public union .. but just seeing the way they work, they
take to much. I don't think the gov should take away collective bargaining.. but anymore, especially with people my age (lower 20's) a public
sector job is the "dream job" .. because you'll make more, never get fired and have the best benefits. It really shouldn't be that way.

Democrats, imo, are desperate to save the unions because it's a primary source of revenue for their campaigns.

A ban on corporate and union contributions to state candidates is also in place in Texas. However, the state does allow corporate and labor
contributions to political organizations for costs not directly related to campaigning (such as administrative expenses).

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