red_alertz wrote:interesting, i honestly didn't know that, given there are so many schools out there now days, i thought the number would be higher

I was probably being conservative.

Around 40k-50k people matriculating every year (--LinkRemoved--). Around 140k LSATs administered each year. (It seems like LSAC has taken the data down but it used to be on their website and a Google search will reveal that it is around this number.)

red_alertz wrote:interesting, i honestly didn't know that, given there are so many schools out there now days, i thought the number would be higher

I was probably being conservative.

Around 40k-50k people matriculating every year (--LinkRemoved--). Around 140k LSATs administered each year. (It seems like LSAC has taken the data down but it used to be on their website and a Google search will reveal that it is around this number.)

Just referencing the posts here: I run a small LSAT tutoring company, and have worked with ~1000 students total from across the country either directly, teaching classes for other companies or outsourcing to work with other tutors. As I wish to be honest and not politically correct, I'll hide behind my pseudonym.

Going from a 144 to a 160 is no sure thing. People on these boards say anyone can do it, but don't realize they are unrepresentative - you guys are just on average smarter than the rest of the US population. People from TLS have applied for jobs with me, and it becomes evident after 1 minute of conversation, they're much smarter than the applicants I get through the paper, craigslist, monster.com, etc.

Getting a 160 takes a certain baseline of "sharpness", and while I have had people go from a 140 to a 170, these people tended to have a 3.8 or better. This is indicative of someone who maybe just didn't get the test or had a certain level of work ethic.

As for the guy who said a 162 will get him into UF with a 3.0, this is not going to happen.

I am concerned that OP says they'll get a 160 or better, and seems to have no plan in place of how he'll get there. It is a lot more work to go from a 160 to a 170 than a 150 to a 160, but the difference is that the 144 makes it evident that OP has no idea what the hell they're doing.

flexityflex86 wrote:Just referencing the posts here: I run a small LSAT tutoring company, and have worked with ~1000 students total from across the country either directly, teaching classes for other companies or outsourcing to work with other tutors. As I wish to be honest and not politically correct, I'll hide behind my pseudonym.

Going from a 144 to a 160 is no sure thing. People on these boards say anyone can do it, but don't realize they are unrepresentative - you guys are just on average smarter than the rest of the US population. People from TLS have applied for jobs with me, and it becomes evident after 1 minute of conversation, they're much smarter than the applicants I get through the paper, craigslist, monster.com, etc.

Getting a 160 takes a certain baseline of "sharpness", and while I have had people go from a 140 to a 170, these people tended to have a 3.8 or better. This is indicative of someone who maybe just didn't get the test or had a certain level of work ethic.

As for the guy who said a 162 will get him into UF with a 3.0, this is not going to happen.

I am concerned that OP says they'll get a 160 or better, and seems to have no plan in place of how he'll get there. It is a lot more work to go from a 160 to a 170 than a 150 to a 160, but the difference is that the 144 makes it evident that OP has no idea what the hell they're doing.

While I generally agree with this, I will say:

1. It is foolish not to at least try to increase your score.

2. Even small jumps (e.g. from 158 to 160) can change things drastically.

I'd imagine it's gone up so maybe something like 1/3 of them are retakers now. Which means the 1/2 don't go to school sounds about right?

Not necessarily. A lot are happy after their first time, or just willing to settle. Not too many people have the strength to redo something they didn't like. Hence, why most Americans don't work out, and are fat.

flexityflex86 wrote:Just referencing the posts here: I run a small LSAT tutoring company, and have worked with ~1000 students total from across the country either directly, teaching classes for other companies or outsourcing to work with other tutors. As I wish to be honest and not politically correct, I'll hide behind my pseudonym.

Going from a 144 to a 160 is no sure thing. People on these boards say anyone can do it, but don't realize they are unrepresentative - you guys are just on average smarter than the rest of the US population. People from TLS have applied for jobs with me, and it becomes evident after 1 minute of conversation, they're much smarter than the applicants I get through the paper, craigslist, monster.com, etc.

Getting a 160 takes a certain baseline of "sharpness", and while I have had people go from a 140 to a 170, these people tended to have a 3.8 or better. This is indicative of someone who maybe just didn't get the test or had a certain level of work ethic.

As for the guy who said a 162 will get him into UF with a 3.0, this is not going to happen.

I am concerned that OP says they'll get a 160 or better, and seems to have no plan in place of how he'll get there. It is a lot more work to go from a 160 to a 170 than a 150 to a 160, but the difference is that the 144 makes it evident that OP has no idea what the hell they're doing.

While I generally agree with this, I will say:

1. It is foolish not to at least try to increase your score.

2. Even small jumps (e.g. from 158 to 160) can change things drastically.

I agree a 1000%, but to tell OP to get into UF is like telling me to date Angelina Jolie. It's just not gonna happen.

red_alertz wrote:off top of my head, i say 162/3.0 has shots at American, wake forest, tulane, maryland, SMU, ASU, Arizona, georgia, and perhaps wisconsin and george mason, didn't check LSP, just from what i seen

Are these URMs?

A 162 and 3.0 isn't getting into UGA, Wisconsin or George Mason, particularly a 144/162 unless they have something truly unique to offer - certainly not a situation I'd feel comfortable "betting on."

red_alertz wrote:off top of my head, i say 162/3.0 has shots at American, wake forest, tulane, maryland, SMU, ASU, Arizona, georgia, and perhaps wisconsin and george mason, didn't check LSP, just from what i seen

Are these URMs?

A 162 and 3.0 isn't getting into UGA, Wisconsin or George Mason, particularly a 144/162.

Schools that take 162's don't really care whether it is a 162 or a 162/144.