8:15 — Herman Cain, is it just a coincidence that all those 9s just matched up in your 999 plan? Also, if we turn that upside down...

8:16 — Yesterday, Meade and I saw a guy wearing a yellow tie, and we were all: Yellow tie? Who wears a yellow tie? If you wore a yellow tie to a presidential debate, people would not take you seriously. Wearing a yellow tie tonight: Huntsman and Cain. [ADDED: And Ron Paul.]

8:17 — The question that got the most votes on YouTube: The 10th Amendment! How would you restrict the federal government to its original enumerated powers? Ron Paul answers and then — finally! — Gary Johnson. He does a prepared speech. My first impression of his looks: He's kind of like Harrison Ford. Meade says: "Look at his left thumb... It's like he's constantly pushing a 'Jeopardy' button."

8:29 — You old people, don't worry about Social Security. The rest of you people... worry! (Paraphrasing Rick Perry.)

8:30 — "You'd better find that Rick Perry and get him to stop saying that," says Mitt Romney, doing some sort of "humor" thing. Then Rick Perry gets to respond to Romney's charge that he's deviating from his book, and he points to some discrepancy between Mitt's book in the hard cover and the paperback edition. When Mitt gets a chance to respond to that, Perry calls the back and forth "badminton," which sounds like "Bad Mitt(on)." Mitt responds, but we're distracted by Perry, who looks super-happy. We laugh, and agree Perry looks like Reagan.

8:34 — Romney makes a joke I think we'll be hearing more than once: "I only spent 4 years as a governor. I didn't inhale." That's done with a glance at Perry, who, presumably, is a habitual governor, toking on power like a maniac.

8:47 — Lots of talk about education, and just about everyone seems to think the federal government ought to get the hell out of it.

8:52 — Romney slams Perry on in-state tuition for Texas students in the country illegally. Why should they get what is a $100,000 discount compared to what non-Texan American citizens pay? Romney just doesn't understand what Perry is arguing.

8:54 — Yeah, well, try being a governor of a state with a 1200-mile border with Mexico, Perry says. "I don't think you have a heart."

8:56 — Perry: "Have you ever even been to the border of Mexico?" You can't build a wall, he says, in a head-to-head battle with Santorum, who asserted that Perry doesn't understand "sovereignty."

8:59 — The answer on illegal immigration, Ron Paul says, is to take away all the benefits.

9:05 — Romney hits Obama for going around the world apologizing for the U.S. and for failing to "stand shoulder to shoulder" with our ally Israel.

9:16 — Doesn't Michele Bachmann believe in a "wall" between church and state? She praises free expression of beliefs in "the public square" — which doesn't say anything about what the government should or shouldn't be doing.

9:18 — Santorum thinks it's "tragic" "social experimentation" to allow gay people to serve openly in the military. He argues that sex just shouldn't be an issue in the military. "Just keep it to yourself." So, he'd bring back Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

9:23 — Cain is revealed as a survivor of liver and colon cancer, and he speaks passionately against Obamacare, which would, he believes, have killed him, with the delays of bureaucracy.

9:28 — Michele Bachmann gets an opportunity to deal with her statement about the HPV virus and mental retardation. She says she was just relaying a comment someone made to her, but the real issue is Rick Perry's signing an executive order forcing "little girls" to get a shot to protect them from a sexually transmitted disease. She also accuses him of acting in response to lobbying from the drug company. Perry says he was lobbied, lobbied by a young woman with cervical cancer. (I wrote about that here, and Perry didn't meet that woman until after he'd signed the executive order.)

9:36 — Perry has a long "he was for it before he was against it" routine to recite about Romney, but his delivery is slow and halting, like he's getting tired.

9:37 — Romney is not tired, and he gets out the quote of the night: "I'm going to stand by my positions. I'm proud of them. There are a lot of reasons not to elect me. There are a lot of reasons not to elect other people on this stage. But one reason to elect me is that I know what I stand for, I've written it down, words have meaning, and I have the experience to get this country going again."

9:52 — They're asked to pick one of the other candidates for VP. Johnson picks Paul, because the country is "about freedom." Santorum picks Gingrich, and Gingrich has no idea who he'd pick. Paul won't pick. Perry wants to take Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich and "mate them up." And Mitt says, "There are a couple of images I'm going to have trouble getting out of my mind" — Cain and Gingrich mating and Johnson's neighbor's dogs pooping. And he's not picking his VP on stage right now. But any one of these people would be better than what we've got in Obama. Bachmann wants a "constitutional conservative." Herman Cain says this is a game, and he'll play the game, and he says he'll pick Romney, if he adopts 999, and otherwise Gingrich. Huntsman says Romney and Perry may not be around because they're going to "bludgeon themselves to death." So he picks Herman Cain because of the yellow tie. So... color.

GOP debate is a oxymoron. There is no debate. The only debate is how big the POTUS Obama, the greatest, victory will have over the GOP. The K-street people say at least 70%. I cannot think of any scenario that GOP can win. One is that Romney will not be *allowed* to win. Thus, WH is happy. NB: WH wants Perry nomination. They are salivating. If you say Perry, then then they are happy. In fact, one K-street got me a double-shot of scotch when I said Perry will win GOP.

Re: Ron S. book about WH, forget it. The word is that no one will focus on it. NYT has forgotten it already. This should give you an indication how Press is planning to cover The POTUS Obama, the greatest ever. Even Clinton is afraid that after the re-election (triumphant), his stock will go down...

RicPic: I am watching with close to NINE people from WH/K-street/Press at the Mandarin Oriental bar in DC. More than half are women supporters of the POTUS Obama and a few minority supporters. We are united in the re-election of the greatest/chosen one. Each time the GOP candidates say the POTUS name, we drink two shots of scotch. When Perry speaks, we just drink and drink.

He only spent four years as Governor because he thought that was all he needed to get his ticket into the White House punched. If he'd thought it required two terms, he'd being saying I've spent eight years trying to get Massachusetts under fiscal control. or something.

You never see any of the candidates wearing a green tie. In fact, I can't think that I've ever seen a green tie ther than ones for St. Patty's day or supporting some sort of team or something. Green is a perfectly respectable color for most everything else; why not ties?

On Twitter, Daily Kos has now tweeted, at least 4 times that I've seen, something along the lines of the "Fox Freakshow hits Florida" (no commentary indicating that they're actually watching the debate, just that it's a "Fox Freakshow".

Ron Paul just blew an opportunity to explain how the morning-after pill works.

I would have liked to hear his opinion, as an OB, of how the morning after pill works, too, just for curiosity's sake (I'm sort of unsure of how I feel about the morning after pill myself, because I don't really understand it.) But I understand what he was saying and why he took that position.

Apart from the positions of 1) abortion on demand, period, and 2) no interfering with conception or potential conception in any way (other than abstinence), there are various ways people go and various combination of stances they use. Against morning-after pill + tolerant of later abortions in the case of even rape is one of the hardest of the various combo positions to square--precisely due to how useful the morning-after pill* could be in the case of rape (and even how compassionate!--based on the rationale for abortion-exceptions based on pregnancies due to rape).

They keep saying that they are children of illegals and thus should not be entitled.

What I did not hear was whether the children themselves are illegal aliens. It doesn't matter their parent's status. If they were born in the US they are US citizens as well as citizens of Texas under the 14th Amendment.

If they are citizens, they are entitled to EXACTLY the same benefits as any other US and Texas citizen.

9:18 — Santorum thinks it's "tragic" "social experimentation" to allow gay people to serve openly in the military. He argues that sex just shouldn't be an issue in the military. "Just keep it to yourself." So, he'd bring back Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

The audience booed a soldier serving in Iraq because he said he was gay.

Not many commenters commenting here at all, and the ratio of commenters to comments is way off. There is also little discussion. It is only late September 2011. It will be interesting to see how this forum plays out.

I think I agree with Ann on the HPV answer. I think though that Perry's answer indicates what 'game' he is playing. To put it in a tennis metaphor, he is up on the net, the opponent is in the back court, he is just going to bounce the ball over and score. The flip flop attack on Romney comes from the same perspective. Romney volleys rather too nicely though. I like Perry's courage standing athwart Republican self righteous cruelty to youth, YMMV. Romney is great at sucking up to the boss, i.e. the voter; I'm thinking of his pledge to put a 25% tariff on Chinese goods if they don't value the Yuan like he says (mentioned in his platform, 'words I stand for' I suppose). But really wars, trade or otherwise, are not desirable now. Huntsman got the best volley in response to the kid's question on health care benefits.

"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Perry said. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature when this issue came up [there were] only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it today."

I am pleasantly surprised to hear this from Perry. Previously, I thought his entire existence could be encapsulated by the enjoyment he takes in murdering undesirable people and then getting thunderous ego-boosting applause for doing so. But-- heh!-- this remark is actually mindful. And it is contrary to Republican conventional wisdom. And it was said in the face of a mob of hopefuls who attacked him for it. How admirable!

I think many Independents and even a few left-leaning people will read this and realize that Perry is not a Republican robot. Perhaps they'll even look at his candidacy in a fresh light.

9:18 — Santorum thinks it's "tragic" "social experimentation" to allow gay people to serve openly in the military. He argues that sex just shouldn't be an issue in the military. "Just keep it to yourself." So, he'd bring back Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

The audience booed a soldier serving in Iraq because he said he was gay.

No, they booed a stupid, self-serving question. The guy's more concerned about keeping his "job" (as he put it) than anything else - strategic situation in the Middle East, inflation, the economy.

" When was the last time a soldier got booed at at a Republican Debate?

Priceless."

It's lame hearing about an issue like DADT in such critical times, with economic problems and international problems of tremendous importance.

Also, that jackass was wearing an Army uniform, the one with a huge ARMY written on his chest. Like a prop.

I don't know that guy. He's probably a good man, but I think his choice to wear the uniform while making a political statement (a loaded one, too, claiming one POV is progress and the other is wrong) is completely unprofessional.

And it was the PT outfit, which just seems like a tacky way to address your country and next CinC.

Tacky all the way.

I don't think folks were booing him for his service to the country, as you know, but for his tacky way of making a point.

I don't see a problem with him serving, but I do think there's more than one legitimate view on this. And damn does it get old hearing about social politics and gardasil when there are real issues to debate.

Dead Julius: Those kids are citizens, at least in a dual sense until at least until some point, even if their parents are not. This is what Perry won't say and what so many won't accept. This is part of what makes immigration law and its enforcement so tricky. If "those kids are citizens, at least in a dual sense..." weren't true, there would never be a discussion about the anchor-baby issue. The thing is that they are, and they are under statute. (Rick Perry gets this, that he can't get around that reality; whether he wants to or not is irrelevant, and he gets that, too.) Thus, where ought the ire and determination that it should be otherwise be directed?

Oh that changes things very much. If these students are indeed citizens, then what almost all the other Republican candidates are saying is that our young people should be responsible for providing documentation of legal status for someone else-- i.e. their parents???!!! There's no way that adult citizens should be treated differently by the government because of the actions of others-- that would be communal punishment, or a legal distinction between two classes of citizens, either of which is about as un-American and un-Individualistic as you can get.

If the U.S. wants to define its rules such that babies born on its soil are only U.S. citizens if one or both of its parents are U.S. citizens, or one or both of its parents were born on U.S. soil, or some combination thereof, or whatever, it could. But the U.S hasn't, manifestly at least not specifically enough, as more current times has brought to sharp light. (Recent times, prior to "more current times" flashed warnings and did so for decades, not that this mattered.)

You know, the real crisis is the falling EURO. Connected to the gnomes in Belgium. Connected to the Chinese ... not knowing where their next foreign exports can go to ... where they'll receive anything but monopoly money.

And, Michelle Bachmann can just go home and shut her own lights off. (Given that she has 23 children ... she does seem to have found a way to get paid to keep them. What government resource is she using?)

You think you've seen "scandal?"

Tonight, you saw a bunch of white people. Plus, Herman Cain.

Not a cross-section of America.

Which reminds me. Ballots are printed in 22 languages!

So, who is appealing for the voters who request one of those "funny language" ballots?

Nope. We're not in Texas!

And, you can white wash Dubya's failures all ya want to ... but, boy are the old times ... washing up on shore, again.

With the EURO being the first to go. Borders are about to spring up all over Europe. And, Greece ain't the only country full of unhappy and disgusted citizens.

It's an amazing thing to see politicians screwing up in so many languages. (Even Japanese.)

Don't know much about Johnson, but he sounds like Paul's non insane younger brother libertarian. He's wrong on foreign policy, but at least he doesn't sou d like an absolute liberal loon. Then again, his comment about how only Pakistan can save Pakistan, veered close to paulism derangement. But he doesn't sound quite as unhinged even when he utter his idiocy.Libertarians should dump the crazy kook, and go with the borinng kook. Neither will get elected, but they will have a lot less to apologize for when they say they voted libertarian.

I don't think Perry is just trapped by the Constitution. In the history of many Latinos here there is the story, 'grandfather was brought when he was 4...' Perry is not going to make the distinction as to if the student became a person in the U.S. then or at birth. I'm worried about Romney taking care of Romney and not the country. Many may be frustrated by Obama but may realize come election time that they prefer Obama and what amounts to his 'don't just do something, stand there' stance.

==============rcocean - You can't take illegals benefits away, see various Federal Court decisions.

Sick to death of people groveling to some lawyer dressed in robes that orders new benefits and perks to illegals that have no Constitutional basis, no basis in State or Federal Statute. ESpecially when those decsions to entitle illegal invaders were made in a time when there was thought to be unlimited money for whatever government wanted to bestow on various interest groups, and borrow indefinitely w/o consequence.

It is going to get plenty ugly in the next few years as benefits for US citizens are cut or eliminated. Too many of our leaders are lawyers habituated to think the worst imaginable thing is to challenge a Might Judge. I say we have to call the cocksuckers in black robes out from time to time.

Explain how a Fed judge one of 3600, arbitrarily decides alone that illegals are eligible for taxppayer backed housing loans and they have equal right to scarce and free or nearly free pubic housing while US citizens wait without. Like Obama's illegal auntie in Boston, the Ghanan whore who accused DSK living in subsidized housing.

Europe is about to explode! Their money ... based on a corrupt idea that it could flow across borders ... so 20 years ago ... all the old currencies were burned and destroyed ... Has left the "BIG EXPOSURE."

What you call "liberalism" ... has died.

It was really about crooks. But I'll let that go for the moment.

HERE, MITT ROMNEY REFUSED TO TALK ABOUT REAL WORLD EVENTS!

Mitt Romney NEVER talks about anything important!

But what do you expect from a bunch of spoiled white guys? Throw in your nominal Black. Most Blacks don't know "Herman Cain" from a hole in the wall. And, they could care less.

So, obviously, Mitt Romney is not really appealing to "all voters." Right now he's "appealing" to stay on the "island as a survivor."

What's Mitt Romney afraid of?

Oh. You don't think this is fear.

Well, then. Who can argue with republicans who think politics is a religious experience.

Reality hit Japan when they had their earthquake.

Reality is hitting London and Paris, tomorrow. (If it's not already there.)

It's arrived in Ireland. It's arrived in Greece.

Failure to note this ... while running for the presidency of the United States ... is severely lacking in common sense.

Candidates?

They're crawling out of the wall like cockroaches.

Margaret Thatcher's reputation is going to be resurrected.

Romney's? There's nothing out there that's gonna help.

So, you saw a debate from Orlando. Not quite an "E ride at Disneyworld. Ask for a refund.

Huntsman has some good policy proposals about cutting the corporate tax and natural gas exploration. Perry seemed to pick up on those ideas. Perry needs to put forth some proposals or just adopt Huntsman's ideas and learn to articulate them.

the real issue is Rick Perry's signing an executive order forcing "little girls" to get a shot to protect them from a sexually transmitted disease

What kind of monster IS Perry?

We can't go around innoculating "little girls" against sexually transmitted diseases! If we do that then little girls won't be able to get sexually transmitted diseases anymore! And what kind of depraved individual doesn't want little girls to get sexually transmitted diseases?

Bachmann missed a valuable opportunity to stop digging the hole she's in. On the plus side at least she's eliminated any possibility of being President.

"Put a soldier on TV, I want to hear about soldier stuff. Not about whether the soldier likes to fondle his mates or do it doggy-style or whatever."

Oh yeah? Then shut the fuck up about your wife or girlfriend. Until I don't hear anything about any soldier's sexual partners or sex-produced offspring, I don't want to hear you pathetic bitches whining about hearing that an honorable soldier is gay.

If the U.S. wants to define its rules such that babies born on its soil are only U.S. citizens if one or both of its parents are U.S. citizens, or one or both of its parents were born on U.S. soil, or some combination thereof, or whatever, it could.

Not without a constitutional amendment, it couldn't. The 14th amendment states:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Illegal aliens are still subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., so children born in the U.S. of illegal alien parents are U.S. citizens. Children of diplomatic personnel are currently probably the only class of U.S. born that are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

Andy R. Wrote:You should ask the people on that stage who want to make it their business by kicking any soldier out of the army that they find out is gay.

what's your take on the military making it their business to kick people out of the military they find out are cheating on their spouse?Should the military be so draconian about private behavior and actually destroy people's careers over such behavior? Because I haven't heard you or any others decrying the military's policies on other conduct unbecoming examples.

Why couldn't a gay person serve in the military without their gayness becoming an issue? Just do your job and shut up about who you're screwing. Similarly, if you,re cheating on your spouse, and want to continue serving, don't bring your mistress on base, or blabbering about how much sex you get from your lover.In both cases, how people identify, a d where people put their dicks is actually a distraction from their ability to serve.

"Put a soldier on TV, I want to hear about soldier stuff. Not about whether the soldier likes to fondle his mates or do it doggy-style or whatever."

Oh yeah? Then shut the fuck up about your wife or girlfriend. Until I don't hear anything about any soldier's sexual partners or sex-produced offspring, I don't want to hear you pathetic bitches whining about hearing that an honorable soldier is gay.

That's the whole point. Heterosexual soldiers don't go around inundating the rest of the population with their exploits, proclivities, perversions, etc.

The homosexual rights crowd can't seem to live without it. And not only are heterosexuals required to approve and accept, we must be overjoyed at it, celebrate it, and do everything we can to promote it.

That's the whole point. Heterosexual soldiers don't go around inundating the rest of the population with their exploits, proclivities, perversions, etc.

If they're giving you explicit details, sure, that's a problem (from a gay or straight). But if you say "What did you do this weekend" and the answer is, "I saw that new movie with my boyfriend," is that really too much for you to handle? Do you not know at least a little bit (as in, their names and sex) about the significant others of the people that you work with, and don't they of yours? Wouldn't it be a little bit awkward if you had to keep secret from your co-workers the mere existance of your wife?

I went into the debate with a leaning towards Perry because, as the performances rubbed into my face, superficial reasons. I liked the "cut of his jib"...he stands tall, has a affability vibe but I now acknowledge that's not enough. He just doesn't seem like he has done the work needed to be prepared for debate questions even the ones he should know he's going to have to deal with. I wish Romney didn't seem over caffeinated with that Eddie Haskell smarmy thing going on but maybe one on one against Obama that will quiet down. As it stands now, Romney will probably get my vote in the primary. I hope it is a Romney-Rubio ticket.

Chicken--also missed the "debate" glad some people cared enough to comment on it--My lady friend and I went to see "contagion"---its really good and very accurately describes what could happen in the event of a biological event--Even had the uniforms of the USPHS accurate--see it

I watched Have Gun Will Travel last night. Paladin saved a beautiful ranch lady from being cheated and defrauded by her foreman who was selling off the stock and buying up loans on the ranch. There was a suggestion of romantic involvement, but like most 50s shows it was hint heavily at it but don't show or tell.

The folksy dog poop jobs joke was what got Reagan elected. Let's not forget real people vote andthey want to connect with the president.

Obama had that in 2008, but now most realize that he actually hates America and hates AMericans, and especially hates Jewish people. He also hates the police, and anyone who is making money, or is in America legally.

He especially hates the business community because they are a rival to state power.

I've seen Johnson before and he likes people, and has the common touch. He's not an elitist who hates everybody or is indifferent to everybody like Obama.

I got the sense that his mother thought they were special people and were different from and better than other people. That's how Obama feels to me.

Not one Candidate here is a real leader. ALL are complicit in the Treason of allowing an ineligible non natural born Citizen Usurp the Presidency. One of them will surely double down on that treason and choose Marco Rubio as VP candidate (not eligible-- parents were Cuban legal resident aliens when Rubio was born). Even the crazy Uncle R. Paul, the supposed "Constitutionalist" is in on the treason.

"Cain is revealed as a survivor of liver and colon cancer, and he speaks passionately against Obamacare, which would, he believes, have killed him, with the delays of bureaucracy."

I went through the same thing and as Cain, and afterward did some research to see how it would have gone under European style heath care and came to the conclusion that I would have died 5 years ago. When time is important, and you need things a little out of the mainstream, you better be in the U.S. with or without insurance.

Obamacare as it is right now would not have been a problem except that my premiums would be much higher, but eventually Obamacare is planned to cause the same problems as the European system: less freedom, longer waits, less options, higher costs.

Mick, That ship has sailed and you're not on it. So stop bitching about the fact that you missed the ship and het on board the next one.And you're wrong anyway. So why continue wasting your(and our) time chasing rabbits down the rabbit hole you're not going to catch. When instead you can worry about making sure Obama doesn't serve four more years

Full disclosure: I am a Republican attorney suing the state of Texas over Governor Perry's illegal subsidy program for illegal aliens.

It's not just in-state tuition. It's a lot worse than that.

Details follow.

Out of the 50 active governors in the US, Perry is the worst. Of all the candidates, he is the furthest-left on that issue.

Rick Perry signed, and has aggressively defended, a law (HB 1403, 2001 legislative session) (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=77R&Bill=HB1403) that gives $20,000 to every illegal alien that wants the money.

Then Perry bragged about it. (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/) " We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, 'we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.' And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate."

But the Texas law does more than that. It gives “Texas Grant” money ($20,000 per illegal alien, at $5,000 a year) to actual illegal aliens (not just "children of" illegal aliens, who as citizens would presumably be eligible for normal benefits), on top of in-state tuition rates (which are below the national average). (http://www.harlingen.tstc.edu/FinancialAid/hbill1403.aspx , http://www.southplainscollege.edu/information-for/future-spc-students/financial-aid/hb1403.php). Additionally, other Texas taxpayer-funded grant programs are available to illegal aliens, including the Texas Equalization Grant program, which is designed to pay the difference between private and public university tuition for private-school attendees who are Texas residents, and Texas state-taxpayer-funded student loans.

Only one other state (New Mexico) has a similar law (signed by Clintonista Bill Richardson).

When questions were raised about the implementation of the 2001 law, Perry signed another in 2005 that doubled-down. (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=79R&Bill=SB1528) (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf , p.5)

Since then, in the face of Republican attempts to reform or repeal the law in the 2007, 2009, and 2011 legislative sessions, Perry has staunchly defended this law.

Faced with criticism of the law during the 2010 election campaign, Perry mis-stated the facts, and was busted for it. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/feb/14/rick-perry/perry-says-tea-checks-whether-undocumented-student/)(http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece)

Give this long record of repeated endorsement of subsidizing illegal aliens to a degree that no other state has matched, while others who are normally to his left (Romney, Schwarzenegger) vetoed much milder in-state tuition bills, I cannot in good conscience support Rick Perry.

If a man will take $20,000 from the pockets of citizen-taxpayers and hand it to illegal aliens, there is no end to the mischief he will do.

Lots of ties to the old Republican Establishment. Watch Chris Wallace on his Sunday show. I think he does a pretty good job, but his questions regularly show that he's an Inside the Beltway kind of guy.

Really? so what other parts of the Constitution are you willing to ignore. Rubio is as ineligible as Obama. His father (and mother) were not US Citizens when Marco was born-- thus not natural born, and not eligible.

jr565 said... "Mick, That ship has sailed and you're not on it. So stop bitching about the fact that you missed the ship and het on board the next one.And you're wrong anyway. So why continue wasting your(and our) time chasing rabbits down the rabbit hole you're not going to catch. When instead you can worry about making sure Obama doesn't serve four more years"

That ship is about to redock, when Obama must run as a "Candidate" again. There are millions aware of his ineligibility, and will challenge him in many states. I think he unfortunately may not run, wishing to try and preserve his negative precedent. What other parts of the Constitution are you willing to ignore?