I am really devoted to the church, but we must consider tradition over all things. Both the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom and tridentine mass come from the time of the schism, and are both part of the identities of the churches.Last night (sunday) I couldn't watch the mass at the morning, and went Pat night. I NEVER heard the prayers the priest was conducing in the church!This way, we'll become like the famous "igreja universal do reino de deus", a neopentecostal church from Brazil that even have goals for the shepperds to reach IN MONEY!Extra ecclesiam nullas salus.

Even if Catholics sing on guitars at Mass and sing modern-style music at Church, they still will be Catholics. Our doctrine will shine out, for it is a sign of derision for the pagans. Even modern conceptions of Catholicism are sickening for Protestants. The Protestants will not produce followers of St.Francis de Assisi. They do not believe in good works but Catholics do. The liturgical reform does not hinder the announcement of the Gospel. All of Europe secularised after 1970, not just the Catholic countries. The argument that Vatican II destroyed the Catholic Faith is an error, because secularisation also occurred at the same time in Greece and Scandinavia. In the face of the gains of atheism and immorality, Christianity cannot restrict itself to believing that some restitution of the past who return the world on the right track. After the French Revolution, many Catholic intellectuals in Europe fought for the restoration of Christian monarchy because they believed that their conception of tradition is most important. In places the monarchy was restored but what did that help? In what way does the monarchy and Latin prayers keep people in the Church? It does not. St.Augustine says that the bishops must prevent the Church from going the way of the Pharisees for the Gospel is a light burden. The restrictive regulations which accumulated through the centuries caused the Church to be insular, leading to a triumphalistic self-admiration. The reform is not reversable.

I am really devoted to the church, but we must consider tradition over all things. Both the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom and tridentine mass come from the time of the schism, and are both part of the identities of the churches.Last night (sunday) I couldn't watch the mass at the morning, and went Pat night. I NEVER heard the prayers the priest was conducing in the church!This way, we'll become like the famous "igreja universal do reino de deus", a neopentecostal church from Brazil that even have goals for the shepperds to reach IN MONEY!Extra ecclesiam nullas salus.

Even if Catholics sing on guitars at Mass and sing modern-style music at Church, they still will be Catholics. Our doctrine will shine out, for it is a sign of derision for the pagans. Even modern conceptions of Catholicism are sickening for Protestants. The Protestants will not produce followers of St.Francis de Assisi. They do not believe in good works but Catholics do. The liturgical reform does not hinder the announcement of the Gospel. All of Europe secularised after 1970, not just the Catholic countries. The argument that Vatican II destroyed the Catholic Faith is an error, because secularisation also occurred at the same time in Greece and Scandinavia. In the face of the gains of atheism and immorality, Christianity cannot restrict itself to believing that some restitution of the past who return the world on the right track. After the French Revolution, many Catholic intellectuals in Europe fought for the restoration of Christian monarchy because they believed that their conception of tradition is most important. In places the monarchy was restored but what did that help? In what way does the monarchy and Latin prayers keep people in the Church? It does not. St.Augustine says that the bishops must prevent the Church from going the way of the Pharisees for the Gospel is a light burden. The restrictive regulations which accumulated through the centuries caused the Church to be insular, leading to a triumphalistic self-admiration. The reform is not reversable.

I am really devoted to the church, but we must consider tradition over all things. Both the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom and tridentine mass come from the time of the schism, and are both part of the identities of the churches.Last night (sunday) I couldn't watch the mass at the morning, and went Pat night. I NEVER heard the prayers the priest was conducing in the church!This way, we'll become like the famous "igreja universal do reino de deus", a neopentecostal church from Brazil that even have goals for the shepperds to reach IN MONEY!Extra ecclesiam nullas salus.

Even if Catholics sing on guitars at Mass and sing modern-style music at Church, they still will be Catholics. Our doctrine will shine out, for it is a sign of derision for the pagans. Even modern conceptions of Catholicism are sickening for Protestants. The Protestants will not produce followers of St.Francis de Assisi. They do not believe in good works but Catholics do. The liturgical reform does not hinder the announcement of the Gospel. All of Europe secularised after 1970, not just the Catholic countries. The argument that Vatican II destroyed the Catholic Faith is an error, because secularisation also occurred at the same time in Greece and Scandinavia. In the face of the gains of atheism and immorality, Christianity cannot restrict itself to believing that some restitution of the past who return the world on the right track. After the French Revolution, many Catholic intellectuals in Europe fought for the restoration of Christian monarchy because they believed that their conception of tradition is most important. In places the monarchy was restored but what did that help? In what way does the monarchy and Latin prayers keep people in the Church? It does not. St.Augustine says that the bishops must prevent the Church from going the way of the Pharisees for the Gospel is a light burden. The restrictive regulations which accumulated through the centuries caused the Church to be insular, leading to a triumphalistic self-admiration. The reform is not reversable.

I don't know what happened after Vatican II. It was like some kind of bomb dropped on the Roman Catholic church.

Thats sooo true Altar stones, statues,relics, censers, tabernacles,and other things older Catholics held sacred,wasn't anymore ,it was out with old tried and true in with the new and confusion...Most ended up in resale stores....

I am really devoted to the church, but we must consider tradition over all things. Both the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom and tridentine mass come from the time of the schism, and are both part of the identities of the churches.Last night (sunday) I couldn't watch the mass at the morning, and went Pat night. I NEVER heard the prayers the priest was conducing in the church!This way, we'll become like the famous "igreja universal do reino de deus", a neopentecostal church from Brazil that even have goals for the shepperds to reach IN MONEY!Extra ecclesiam nullas salus.

Even if Catholics sing on guitars at Mass and sing modern-style music at Church, they still will be Catholics. Our doctrine will shine out, for it is a sign of derision for the pagans. Even modern conceptions of Catholicism are sickening for Protestants. The Protestants will not produce followers of St.Francis de Assisi. They do not believe in good works but Catholics do. The liturgical reform does not hinder the announcement of the Gospel. All of Europe secularised after 1970, not just the Catholic countries. The argument that Vatican II destroyed the Catholic Faith is an error, because secularisation also occurred at the same time in Greece and Scandinavia. In the face of the gains of atheism and immorality, Christianity cannot restrict itself to believing that some restitution of the past who return the world on the right track. After the French Revolution, many Catholic intellectuals in Europe fought for the restoration of Christian monarchy because they believed that their conception of tradition is most important. In places the monarchy was restored but what did that help? In what way does the monarchy and Latin prayers keep people in the Church? It does not. St.Augustine says that the bishops must prevent the Church from going the way of the Pharisees for the Gospel is a light burden. The restrictive regulations which accumulated through the centuries caused the Church to be insular, leading to a triumphalistic self-admiration. The reform is not reversable.

I don't know what happened after Vatican II. It was like some kind of bomb dropped on the Roman Catholic church.

Worse. It self imploded it, like a chain, nuclear reaction. I remember the shell shock of my grandmother after her first guitar mass.

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I must show you that my point of view is about the sacred, and the sacred only. I have nothing against guitars (I even like them), but a priest cannot do whatever he wants in the church. That's why there are rituals.

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