It is Much Too Soon to Discuss Changing Gun Laws After NY Shooting

The shooter in Webster NY that lured firefighters to his burning home owned a Bushmaster .223, the same weapon that was used in Newtown, Conn.

Although it has not been determined which weapon was used in the shooting ( he owned a shot gun, a pistol and the semi-automatic rifle) my guess it's the Bushmaster.

However, according to the NRA, it is too soon after the tragedy in New York to discuss new gun measures.

and if these fucking crazies with assault weapons keep these multiple shootings in the proper time intervals as ascribed by the NRA, there will never be a time to get to that discussion, never mind the actual changing of the gun laws to something more akin to a civilized society.

46. 1000 X this ^^

2. nice

"The phrase "Catch-22", "a problematic situation for which the only solution is denied by a circumstance inherent in the problem or by a rule," has entered the English language."

the premise is you either have to ask to be let out of flying bomber missions, or be crazy.

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions.
Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he were sane he had to fly them.
If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. (p. 56, ch. 5)

6. not much time.

under 1 sec and you don't have to move out of your shooting position.

Not to mention, even with a semi-auto, the recoil forces you to have to re-acquire the "target".

Also, it seems what gave the shooter away partially was the noticable repitition of the gunshot sound. IF he had used a bolt action and the shot timing slower, would FF still have noticed it as quickly? I'm a volunteer FF myself and i have to tell you that when you arrive on the scene of an actual fire, no matter how well trained or experienced you are, you get some form of "tunnel vision".

12. here is a vid

5. Hmmm, just like the PATRIOT ACT, we all know and love so well.

I don't want law made in fear.

I suspect that laws that show up in less than 10 business days from an event are likely to:

1--not make much consideration of the conflicts they create.
2--be only slightly modified from boilerplate supplied by a special interest think tank.
3--address the risks that produce the most reactive fear in the hazard, rather than the most likely risks (admitting of course that it is possible for those things to intersect).

16. A very astute observation! +1 nt

11. Of course it is! And by Thursday there will almost certainly have been ...

another mass shooting, and for fuck's sake, we certainly can't politicize that one either! I guess we just need to STFU and watch, as innocents continue to be slaughtered.
And by the way, I have hunted since I was a kid. I'm a US Army combat veteran with a VA concealed carry permit, who owns a 9mm Glock, my dad's .45 cal service revolver, a 30.06 rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun. Each of them has a trigger lock, and they are all secured in a gun safe. The ammunition for all four weapons is kept in a second safe. I believe that it's imperative that the gun show loophole be closed, the assault weapon ban be re-instated, and that the one gun per month limit be re-instituted in Virginia.
In short, I'm a gun owner who believes that the NRA is a collection of maniacs, led by a coterie of paranoid dipshits.

15. God Bless You

I am not against responsible gun ownership.

But I do not see a need for an assault weapon, 30 clip magazines, a lack of a centralized registration data base, thorough background checks, and a government agent, of some sort, at any gun show to make sure all the purchases follow the law.

19. Perhaps the rest of the civilized world just haven't got our common sense

that MORE guns in the hands of more people reduces gun deaths.

Even if we prevented the sale of another gun in America, we still have 3 million. In 1993, Clinton put 100,000 more police on the streets.

We have the 10th highest gun deaths per 100 population in the world. We are worse than every other civilized country.

Here are the only countries we have fewer gun deaths than: (1). El Salvador, (2). Jamaica, (3). Honduras, (4). Guatemala, (5). Swaziland, (6). Colombia, (7). Brazil, (8). Panama, (9) Mexico then comes the good old U S of A, number 10. Not one of the nations ahead of us could be called a civilized society, (including the drug cartel nation of Mexico).

21. Discuss it all you want, it's not going to change anything

Maybe, maybe, maybe, there will be some ineffective language knocking a few poorly-selling weapons out of Wal-Mart, and maybe there will be reductions on magazine sizes, but it won't stop anything. Lanza had a pocketful of ammo, all a smaller magazine would have done is slow down his reloading time.

There is absolutely nothing that we can do to stop this. Even if we took all the steps necessary to round up every weapon and every nutjob in this country, we'd never get them all. Never.

24. How does that square with Australia's reform?

"Almost two weeks after a shooting spree stunned Australia in 1996, leaving 35 people dead at the Port Arthur tourist spot in Tasmania, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since.

Now, after the recent shooting at a Connecticut elementary school, Australia’s National Firearm Agreement (NFA), which saw hundreds of thousands of automatic and semi-automatic weapons bought back then destroyed, is being examined as a possible example for the US, to mixed reaction in Australia."

28. Please post your suggestion on how to prevent another Sandy Hook. nt

37. Here you go

1. Trained Police in all public places. Raise the tax on all gun purchases to 25% to pay for this and add 2% to the capital gains tax, if that's not enough.

2. Ban Gun shows and other individuals (non-licensed sellers) from selling any gun. All purchases must be between a licensed dealer and the purchaser. All private sales must be conducted with a government agent in between or through a licensed dealer for a nominal fee.

3. Ban the sale of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

4. Each individual who possesses a banned weapon has 6 months to turn it in for government purchase.

5. Centralized gun registry which prohibits any felon or an unstable person from being licensed to own a gun.

I could keep going, but you've seen enough. I would emulate Australia's gun laws. It seems to be working pretty well there, and that country began as a colony of English speaking criminals.