Didn't we have a shot at Capers? Why'd we pass and who did we pass on him for? Someone please refresh my memory on this one.

We did have a shot at Capers. In fact we had first dibs. We passed bc we wanted to keep the same 4-3 defense we just won a SB with under Spags and wanted to keep the same scheme, so we promoted Bill Sheridan hoping he'd run the same scheme as Spagnuolo.

In the end, sticking with the 4-3 defense was the right move, we just picked the wrong coordinator.

And Dom has fallen off quite a bit now. He's getting long in the tooth, it happens to the best of them. Dom was the first DC smart enough to make the nickel his base defense though. He realized you rather give up 150 on the ground instead of 350 in the air. It took other DCs a little longer to accept this reality.

I think you're making it out to be way worse than it will be. I don't understand the Knicks homerism who haven't given you a reason to believe in decades but you rag on the Giants. Mind boggled.

I'm much harsher with the Giants bc I expect success. Whereas the Knicks...half of that is for fun. Plus in basketball you always have a chance if your star gets hot.

Football is more team oriented, coach oriented, there's a lot more to it.

We have potential on defense with some unproven guys, but it's such a hard sell man. Like we literally have to hope for every piece to fall in place to have a good defense this year.

What I see is, we lost some pass rush. We lost Osi. Tuck is Tuck. JPP is going to play hurt for awhile, Moore is an unproven commodity who may be too slow to play in this league (could also be a diamond in the rough), Kiwi is a JAG, and Tracy is unproven. Too many ifs there.

Our DT group improved. I'll give us that.

Our LBs are just awful. You can't spin it any other way. I think we improved our run stuffing in the LB core but the coverage is going to be brutal. Only hope we have is if JWill can get and stay healthy. But this is not a strong unit.

Our secondary is slow. That's the truth. Webster is older now, Prince is good but he's not a burner but i do expect growth from him. Ross is old and stiff. Thomas is coming off of 3 ACLs. Hoseley has potential but strictly as a nickel. Rolle is more of SS/nickel CB than a FS. He takes horrible angles. We have no idea who our SS is gonna be.

We have a lot of question marks that are hard to ignore. Oh and Perry Fewell.

Thats just not accurate bro. He had Tim Lewis yes, but before Tim Lewis he had Dom Capers who was every bit the DC if not better than LeBeau. And he didn't win a SB with Capers either.

Cowher had great success but no SBs until he got a quarterback. That's pretty much it.

You can't give LeBeau credit for the SBs. That's not fair at all. LeBeau was also DC in Pittsburgh in the mid 90s and Cowher didn't win a SB then with him either.

He won a SB bc of Ben. Not LeBeau. Pittsburgh always had a great defense. Before LeBeu, and they will after.

I disagree big time. Capers was good but left. Dick L. took them to a SB. They lost to a Dallas team. Ben was good but you are not factoring Ken W. in the picture. He was my favorite OC. Excellent system that was the antithesis of our system. We throw like 557 times, and he had Ben in a training wheel system. Run, Run, play action and it was so well designed.

You had 3 Qbs on the field at any given time with Ben, Ward, and Randel el. They won the Sb despite Big Ben. Lowest QB rating for a SB winning QB. 22.6 I believe it was. That trick play El to Ward was beautiful. Just a great play call.

Dick Lebeau is the reason for their success. Their defensive players nearly threw a fit when Lewis was there. I posted articles on this on giants.com, before I was a BBI member. I went over this in detail because I talked to my best friend and cousins. They warned me about Tim lewis. Prior, Cowher had our very own Gilbride.

I followed them. A QB helped but the Dick L. again was the catalyst who fit perfectly with Ken Whisenhunt. You give credit to him because of the 4 appearances and 2 wins. That trio of Cowher, KW, and DL, reminded me of TC, Spags, and Gilbride. It was the perfect trio. They had the perfect trio but it's DL's defense which is ranked top 10 since 2004.

They had the 16th ranked offense, but that mixed with the # 1 total defense was what got them to win. You're giving props to a guy who defecated the bed in the 1st Sb. He played well in the playoffs but the SB, the biggest game he set the all time lowest QB rating. That's just god awful.

Ken Whistenhunt looked great when he had Big Ben and Kurt Warner at qb. 2 HOF quarterbacks. He looked like dog **** when he didn't. Coincidence? No.

Dick LeBeau is one of the best defensive minds of the game, but to give him credit for their SBs is just flat out wrong bro, I can't get in line with that. He was part of it sure, but he's not the main reason at all.

In all 3 Super Bowls that LeBeau coordinated in (this past decade), his defense was mediocre at best. Warner carved them up. Rodgers carved them up. Hasselbeck did too but then the refs screwed Seattle.

You can't say Ben played a bad SB then give LeBeau credit when he coached like **** in all the SBs he coached in.

Warner and AR are great QBs. Did you expect a shut out? I know come SB time I expect good offenses and defenses to get tested. I don't expect teams now in this time to put on a defensive clinic. I get agree to any of that.

Ben wasn't the reason for their success. He helped sure, at the end of the day lowest QB rating of any winning QB. They won despite of him. It was a great play call by KW which did wonders. KW had two QBs that could play. Is he supposed to make Kevin freaking Kolb into a stud? Did you honestly expect that? I know I didn't. I didn't expect the other QBs to do anything either.

In fact, I know that Arizona would be flavor of the year until Warner was there and drop back down to being garbage. How much of KW was in that offense? He is an offensive minded coach but was he calling the plays? Was it his system or did he let the OC do everything and just oversaw things?

My point is when Dick L. coaches you get to Sbs and win them. That's the bottom line. The litmus test is a QB setting an all time record for stinking and STILL the team wins. That's just god awful. I'll take DL's defense any given day. You can take whoever you want. I know if we have DL's defense we'd be good to go.

I'm much harsher with the Giants bc I expect success. Whereas the Knicks...half of that is for fun. Plus in basketball you always have a chance if your star gets hot.

Football is more team oriented, coach oriented, there's a lot more to it.

We have potential on defense with some unproven guys, but it's such a hard sell man. Like we literally have to hope for every piece to fall in place to have a good defense this year.

What I see is, we lost some pass rush. We lost Osi. Tuck is Tuck. JPP is going to play hurt for awhile, Moore is an unproven commodity who may be too slow to play in this league (could also be a diamond in the rough), Kiwi is a JAG, and Tracy is unproven. Too many ifs there.

Our DT group improved. I'll give us that.

Our LBs are just awful. You can't spin it any other way. I think we improved our run stuffing in the LB core but the coverage is going to be brutal. Only hope we have is if JWill can get and stay healthy. But this is not a strong unit.

Our secondary is slow. That's the truth. Webster is older now, Prince is good but he's not a burner but i do expect growth from him. Ross is old and stiff. Thomas is coming off of 3 ACLs. Hoseley has potential but strictly as a nickel. Rolle is more of SS/nickel CB than a FS. He takes horrible angles. We have no idea who our SS is gonna be.

We have a lot of question marks that are hard to ignore. Oh and Perry Fewell.

It's just a hard sell right now if you want to be realistic about it.

To me it's not even so much the players that I'm worried about. I think the DL will be fine, we improved greatly at DT and moving Kiwi to DE/drafting Moore should help.

I think the LBs should be fine, they're that important for us anyways. With Connor, Paysinger, Williams, Herz(who apparently has been doing well), Rivers and Curry we should be ok. Plenty of room for rotation and on 3rd downs we only need two of em.

I think Prince steps it up big this year, Webster bounces back(but still nowhere near his 2011 form), Ross/Thomas/Hosley one of these guys if not 2 of them will pan out and help out the secondary. Safety is my biggest concern hands down, I think we get beat deep a lot this year, especially playing teams like GB, Chicago, Carolina and Seattle. Not only for our **** safeties/slow corners, but because Fewell sucks. Too many times have I seen our DBs get confused and **** up their assignments mainly with zone coverage.

I think this year the defense will give up a lot of deep balls. We're gonna need to force a lot of turnovers and pressure the QB to help make up for our weak secondary, but Fewell isn't aggressive enough. Next year without Fewell, guys like Moore and Hankins entering year two and most likely a new safety or two, we should see a big improvement.

Hey, Did anyone else hear or see that MSG will be covering the Giants training camp live? Is this true? Like a set time frame where we just watch practice? That's what I envision when they say that. Anyone?

I will admit I am a Dick LeBeau fan. Sure it isn't always effective, teams are always adjusting.

I do think he would have been a good fit here with his no frills, physical defensive style. As for not drafting JPP, I am not sure on that either, he was rated as a 3-4 OLB in the draft and plenty of teams have used college DEs as pass rushing OLBs

I think some of the Steelers issues has been how they have assembled their roster, you can' blame a DC for that. The other factor is that 3-4 are better at defending the run, Warner and Rogers had truly amazing aerial attacks.

I think BBD is being a little harsh on DLB, but that's his opinion.

I also don't think we can purely write off our defence. Sure they were terrible last year and you are only as good as your last game. But we have reloaded, we are healthier and our coaches are good teachers. Let's see how these guys play, they do have ability. We do have a history of getting effective players from relative obscurity who can do a capable job.

Hey, Did anyone else hear or see that MSG will be covering the Giants training camp live? Is this true? Like a set time frame where we just watch practice? That's what I envision when they say that. Anyone?

It is worth remembering that we had a particularly brutal schedule last year and we still ended up at 9-7 and almost play-off bound.I actually think this year's team is improved from last year's and our schedule has much better match ups for us.

Looking at the games this season and how they match up, here are my early prediction of how the Giants 2013 season unfolds.