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Raftela has just been revealed only a few chapters ago, so almost nothing is known about her, unfortunately. She is the rank 10 of the current Era of Claymores along with Clarice as the rank 47th. As the special rank 10, Raftela has skills/abilities/talents specifically for battling against Claymores. Raftela's such skill/ability/talent is Yoki Manipulation. She seems to have a weaker and stronger version of it. Rafaela's weaker version of her Yoki Manipulation ability is to distort her Claymore opponents' five senses, as seen when she used it on Miria, while Miria was battling the trainee Awakening Twins such as distorting Miria's depth/distance perception. Raftela's stronger version of her Yoki Manipulation ability is to invade her Claymore opponents' brains/minds, use what's there by distorting it, and then causing their mind to see and think/believe it is real, such as causing Miria's brain/mind to think she's seeing Hilda instead of one of the trainee Awakening Twins she was battling. However, Raftela seems to have some flaws with her Yoki Manipulation as well. First, Raftela seems only able to Yoki Manipulate a single Claymore opponent (which doesn't help Clarice, as this match up is 1v1, lol). Second, she needs her Claymore opponent to release yoki, which might be a problem if Clarice doesn't or if Clarice does but it's too weak or faint for Raftela to be able to use her Yoki Manipulation on Clarice. Third, Raftela seems to be not that powerful in her Yoki Manipulation, as she seemingly needed (powerful) Miria to be distracted by having the trainee Awakening Twins battling her (which is bad for Raftela as this match up is 1v1, lol), just in order to use her weaker version of Yoki Manipulation on her, which then seemed to have been needed to further distract Miria in order to be able to invade Miria's mind/brain with her stronger version of Yoki Manipulation. Also, since we don't know Clarice's past, we don't know if there's anything for Raftela to use within Clarice's brain/mind against her. However, all Claymores seem to have a tragic past, as at the very least, their family members get killed and/or eaten by Yomas. Fourth and lastly, we don't know if Raftela has proficient combat skills or not. Yes, she's a rank 10, but rank 10 is a special ranking, so it's possible that Raftela is even worse and weaker at combat then Clarice is, solely relying on her Yoki Manipulation to render her Claymore opponent completely helpless like Miria ended up being. Finally, Clarice is already (usually) inept and clumsy in combat, so Raftela using her weaker version of Yoki Manipulation to distort Clarice's five senses, would be thus presumably or possibly pointless/useless.

this keeps the others ones nicely aligned

Clarice

Clarice was first introduced to us after the Pieta Battle, as the rank 47 of the newest Era of Claymores, as 17 of the previous Claymores were killed in the battle and 7 went rogue, as "Ghosts", as well as a few other ones being killed (such as Ophelia) or went rogue (such as Galatea). Not much is known about her, and her past is completely unknown. She had colored hair (brown), and thus seems to be a near-failedly created Claymore by her performance and what the other Claymores think of her. Clarice does seem to be a weak rank 47 or weakest Claymore. She had trouble sensing yoki, and was shocked that other Claymores could sense yoki so well. Her combat skills and swordsmanship seemed quite inept and clumsy, missing and getting her sword stuck in trees or other stuff. We first see her on an AB Hunting Squad with Nina and two other unknown Claymores in Alphonse (the northern land), whom get ambushed by ~4 ABs. The 7 Ghosts show up and save them. However, Clarice is unscathed amazingly (unless she simply stayed back out of the fight) but unconscious, and she wakes up early before the Ghosts could move her away. She comes across the graves and astutely realizes that 7 Claymores survived the Pieta Battle. This along with many other cases, shows that Clarice is quite intelligent and perceptive. Later on, she's able to "tame/control" Miata, and is thus paired up wth her. They do some practice battles against normal yomas, which Miata tears to shreds with her bare hands. Clarice is terrifed of Miata's immense power. Next, they're immediately given the mission of executing rogue Galatea. They'll encounter an AB on the way to Rabona and Miata kills it easily. Clarice remains quite useless in combat. However, when they get to Rabona, Clarice is able to dodge Agatha's tentacle attacks, and when Miata's body is falling apart from Agatha's attack, Clarice seems to perform exceedingly further beyond her thus normally seen abilities. Clarice seemingly pretends to run away emotionally crying and abandoning Miata (and Galatea), only to suddenly appear behind Agatha in the air with her sword coming down. Clarice sucessfully rescues and saves Miata's life from Agatha, whom was about to kill Miata. Then, strangely-emotionally Clarice just hugs Miata and cries for her. Fortunately, then the Ghost show up to save the day. Did Clarice sense the Ghosts coming, and then pretended to hug and cry with Miata or was it genuine? Later, Rabona would be attacked by normal yomas and ABs, which we now see Clarice's hair now as blonde or light colored. Has Clarice become a full-complete Claymore now, or is this just Yagi's mistake in his artwork? Clarice and Miata are seen killing normal yomas in this assault on Rabona.

this keeps the others ones nicely aligned

Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 25, 2010 at 04:11 AM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin

Undine is first and only seen in Pieta, killed off by Rigardo in the Pieta Battle. She's rank 11 of the Era of Claymores that Clare belongs to. Due to having her beloved unknown fellow Claymore die due to her weakness, Undine both strives to maintain herself as the "strongest" appearing (bulked up muscles) Claymore through contantly using her yoki on her muscles as her actual figure is much smaller and more feminine, and dual wields by carrying her beloved unknown Claymore's sword in her dominant right hand and her own sword in her non-dominant left hand. Undine of the Twin Swords. Thus, her beloved unknown Claymore's grave is without sword as Undine is using it. Undine has great strength for a rank 11 Claymore, as she used raw pure brute force to overcome the AB with Yoki Control ability in the Pieta Battle. However, Undine's yoki release would be pushed almost to 80% and Awakening, by that AB's Yoki control, but Deneve saves Undine by kicking her out of range of it, and finishing off the AB alongside with Clare. Undine loses her hold on her sword in her left hand, but keeps hold of her beloved unknown Claymore's sword in her right hand. Also, Undine is able to cleanly decapite one AB while jumping up at it, and she would help Deneve decapitate the AB using the Yoki Control ability. And, just a little later on, Undine would be quick and strong enough to parry Rigardo's first attack (which rank 8 Flora couldn't do), however he then rips off her arms with his other hand and then slices her in half, killing her.

Blame Rigardo, for this short entry about Undine! .. V.V

Deneve would carry on Undine's "memory or legacy" greatly, making Undine quite proud, as Deneve would be recently seen stopping an AB with just her outstretched hand/arm! But, this isn't match up isn't about Deneve and her carrying on Undine's "memory or legacy", hehe.

this keeps the others ones nicely aligned

Yuma

Yuma is also first seen in Pieta, but she continues to live on. At first, as rank 40 and also of the same Era of Claymores as is Clare, Yuma was very weak and lacking in confidence as well. Yuma lost her left arm before the main Pieta Battle, and was bad at regeneration, but with Cynthia's help, she was able to regenerate her arm in time for the (main) Pieta Battle. Thanks to being on Miria's team, (Tabatha) and Yuma, are two of the seven survivors of the Pieta Battle. Yuma greatly improves (becomes more powerful) from her training as a Ghost, so much so, that she's able to: (1) knock two unknown Black Coats unconscious (well, this wasn't a big deal, lol), (2) knock three unknown Claymores unconscious, (3) one of these three unknown Claymores was a rank 14, but rank 40 Yuma had improved (became powerful) so much that, ~"It felt as though that rank 14 Claymore's sword was standing still", (4) throw her sword at the now far away flying-fleeing female AB with perfectly accuracy (much like Clare had done in the beginning of the manga, but it was only a normal yoma for her, lol) clipping its wings, allowing for Clare and Cynthia to kill it as it fell helplessly down while they were in Lacroa town, as Clare searched for Raki in Luatrec (the western land). Later on, Yuma would get her foot grabbed by Dauf, and Clare had to cut it off to free her. Fortunately, Cynthia is with them, and helped Yuma regenerate her foot. Then, Yuma and Cynthia are trying to flee as they dodge the Destroyer's first volley of huge projectiles successfully, however they run into Impaled-Infected Awakened Beth. Rank 14 Cynthia amazingly somehow protects Yuma from receiving a single scratch, but Cynthia is quite "worse for wear" as she's missing her four limbs and her lower body. Yuma is able to get away with Cynthia, just before Priscilla shows up and "plays" with poor Impaled-Infected Awakened Beth, and eventually kills both Awakened Alicia and Beth, and then Riful as well. Yuma is amazingly able to help regenerate Cynthia to being completely whole again, saving her life, as she was dying! Unfortunately, there's the Destroyer's hellcats around, so Yuma ends up having to lead them away from Cynthia whom is resting on the ground. Things look dire for Yuma, when Dietrich shows up with a piece of Cloth from dead Riful's dress, and the AFs/AEs right behind her. Dietrich uses them to create a battle between the AFs/AEs and the hellcats, stepping in where needed to ensure both AFs/AEs and the hellcats get wiped out. Dietrich thus saves Yuma's and Cynthia's life. They then meet up with Deneve and Helen (and Clare-Destroyer vs Priscilla), and find Deneve gravely injured, without enough yoki to regenerate herself and with what's left of her yoki, it is strangely out of control. Yuma shows us what she can do, helping Deneve regenerate and stabilizes her yoki too, despite having just fully regenerated back Cynthia body, as if it was nothing, and having still more yoki to spare. Rank 40 Yuma got quite powerful! So, much for Yuma not being good at regeneration (well, we haven't seen her regenerating herself, only helping others regenerate, so maybe she still isn't good at regenerating herself, hmm). Finally, we see her in Rabona saving Galatea with throwing her sword again, at one of the ABs on Galatea, killing it. Rank 40 Yuma saves Blindness Enhanced rank 3 God Eye Galatea from one of the two ABs attacking her!

this keeps the others ones nicely aligned

Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 25, 2010 at 04:16 AM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin

Re: Raftela vs. Clarice

For me, I voted for Clarice. Here's why:

Raftela:

We simply don't know enough yet about Raftela. Of what we've seen of her is nothing but her Yoki Manipulation abilities. We do know that she's a rank 10, however, the rank 10 Claymores are special, in that they are selected for their abilities to deal with other Claymores, as the Organization has long had the problem or the possibility of their Claymores going rogue or hostile against them. All we seen of Raftela's combat abilities is stabbing her sword into "illusioned-helpless" Miria's stomach (or was this the trainee Awakening Twins? my memory fails me here and too lazy to look it up). Though, what I take into account is that the Organization had all their Claymores and the trainee Awakening Twins battling Miria, but NOT Raftela. So, I'm going to surmise that she might very well have no combat ability what-so-ever, despite being a rank 10.

Clarice:

Yes, we know all the stuff that points to her being weak (her seeming ineptness and clumsiness in battle, with Miata often having to save her), so let's look at the stuff that points otherwise:

*I don't think she's ever been injured/damaged

*She was unscathed in the AB ambush, and was merely unconscious (I think from the ABs, or maybe the Ghosts knocked her unconscious, I can't remember this either, and again too lazy to look it up)

*She survived and "tamed/controlled" a wild feral rank 1 Miata.

*She's extremely intelligent, analytical, and perceptive.

*She even seems to have favor among the Black Coats

*She performed incredibly against Agatha, dodging all of Agatha's tentacle attacks, nearly surprised Agatha with a swift attack from behind her magically after having just run away, and rescued Miata as well.

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Raftela we simply don't know enough about her, while with Clarice, she does seem pathetic, with nearly all the indicators supporting this, however at the same time, I have this feeling that there's something more to Clarice, especially with her very impressive performance in the Agatha battle, not to mention surviving many other dangerous battles and powerful foes, and despite being a rank 47 and seemingly pathetic/weak, she seems to handle herself quite well.

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as for Raftela's Yoki Manipulation abilities:

Has Clarice ever released her yoki? I'm not sure if she has or hasn't myself.

If Clarice releases her yoki, would it be too weak (does she have enough) for Raftela to use her Yoki Manipulation abilities?

If Clarice is and is still a near-failed Claymore, would Raftela's Yoki Manipulation be able to effect her?

Clarice is already inept and clumsy in combat, so would Raftela's Yoki Manipulation have any use against Clarice?

Can Raftela even fight? Does she have any swordsmanship skill?

Would Raftela even be able to use her Yoki Manipulation when targetted in battle and having to fight/defend herself?

Clarice might be the one Claymore without a tragic past, that Raftela couldn't take advantage of with her Yoki Manipulation. We simply don't know Clarice's past (nor Raftela's), but if she's a near-failed Claymore, this allows for a possibility that she didn't have a tragic past like all the other Claymores.

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If the rank 10, wasn't a special rank, and/or if Raftela was shown with combat skills, then I'd definately would say Raftela would win against rank 47 Clarice, though there's still the Agatha fight.... that shows a very different Clarice, a Clarice that is extremely impressive and non-weak....

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 23, 2010 at 11:09 AM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin

Re: Undine vs. Yuma

Uhm, this one is hard to choose. I like Undine and her strong personality. Tough, thick, scrappy on the outside, but deep down she's just a warrior, weakened by the misfortunes of life. Her conversation with Deneve was one of the dialogues that I liked the most in story and revealed how difficult it is to live in this world and be a claymore.

Not to mention that without all those muscles, Undine is kinda pretty cute, lol.

But Yuma is Yuma. Always depressed, but still giving her best. Alway trying to act cool, even when she's in a situation with no chance of survival she can keep calm and think soberly through the situation by putting her friends first, always. And the scene when she managed to save Cynthia, learning how to synchronize youki, and then saw that she could not escape the hellcats, she remembered her friends and the how each one of them used to act, and would act if they knew what she learned, well, I confess it moved me, lol.

So yes, my vote goes to Yuma!

EDIT:

I think Yuma would be the winner of this fight because I believe in her ability to survive. She has had several high-risk situations and succeeded in one way or another, staying alive and physically well. She can regenerate faster than Undine, since she's defensive, her physical strength increased, as her stamnina and if she uses a reasonable amount of youki she'd able to overcome the old No. 11 in terms of brute force.

Not to mention that she could play dead, and when Undine turns her back, Yuma could throw her sword, catching her off guard, lol.

Re: Raftela vs. Clarice

In a fight between them, I don't know. This f**** ability of hers is a nightmare, and Clarice does not seem very good at fighting. I just don't know if Raftela could use it in a 1x1 fight, because I had the impression that she only gets to use her technique when the opponent si distracted while fighting other warriors.

But anyway, who gets my vote is Clarice. I'll never vote for someone who did what she did with my girl Miria, ever, lol.

And Clarice is still a mystery. Could she be as weak as we think? She showed great strength and speed against Agatha, and a lot of confidence in youma invasion in Rabona. Well, I don't know what to think yet, but between those two, my vote is for Clarice, no doubt.

Re: Raftela vs. Clarice

Clarice is so weak i bet even Raki(as a Gattsu cosplay) could defeat her...

how would you address that Raftela's rank 10, is a special ranking, and that possibly she has no combat skills of a rank 9 or 11?

how would you address Clarice's performance against Agatha, as she didn't seem very inept/weak in this instance.

How would you address Clarice (I think, please correct me if I wrong!) never getting injured/damaged despite being in so many battles way "over her head" as she is a weak rank 47 supposedly and as you agree with, and not all of them were after she had Miata with her, protecting her?

Why/how do you say/feel Clarice is weak/weaker (or the weakest) and Raftela is strong/stronger than Clarice?

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 23, 2010 at 09:08 PM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin

Re: Undine vs. Yuma

vote on who would win battle against each other! This is not which character you like better, or which had the touching/emotional scene that moved you!

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As much as how impressive and improved Yuma has become, I voted for Undine, as I feel she is the slightly superior one.

Undine was able to react and parry rank 2 Rigardo the Silver Eyed Lion King, whom was one of if not the strongest (non-AO) ABs of all time. I'd say that Undine might have been better than her rank of 11. She was battling the stronger ranked ABs (Isley's 30 AB army), and killing them pretty easily thanks to her great strength.

Whereas, Yuma merely was superior to a rank 14 unknown+nameless Claymore, and killed (by throwing her sword) a weak AB whom was double teaming up on Galatea in the Rabona Assualt Battle, and (again) threw her sword at some female AB (whom probably wasn't that powerful. Did this female AB engage Yuma, or did she just immediately tried to fly away? I can't remember, grr). Also, Yuma can help regenerate others, but we've never seen her regenerating herself in combat like how Deneve does.

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 23, 2010 at 12:07 PM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin

Re: Undine vs. Yuma

Yuma Would WIN!

She kicked the butt of a #14 as if she wasn't even a challenge... while her yoki was suppressed. Then take into account that #11's power isn't that far off from #14 while Yuma still would have had the vast majority of her yoki to rely on, so Yuma would dominate this fight... then be fearful of Deneve's retaliation once she realized she had just kicked the crap out of her Captain Maybe she could tell her she found her that way...

Re: Undine vs. Yuma

yes, but Undine was killing the more powerful (higher ranked = closer to rank 1) ABs (Isley's 30 AB army), quite easily too. We haven't seen Yuma do that. Yuma killed 1 weaker AB (in the Rabona Assualt Battle) by throwing her sword, and clipped the wings of the female AB in Lacroa town (we unfortunately have no idea how powerful or weak this AB was, sighs), again by throwing her sword. Throwing her sword against Undine in a 1v1 match would not be too smart a thing to do, lol.

Not to mention, Undine uses dual swords, and (in my understanding), dual (two) swords are better then one, for offense and defense.

I don't know how powerful rank 11's are suppose to be, but Undine seems to be more powerful than what to me would seem to be a rank 11' power level, as I think we agree that ranks 11-19 are all roughly the same power level, meaning that Undine and Yuma (whom pwned that rank 14) should be equal in power level. Yet, Undine is killing the stronger ABs easily (well with help, as this is the Pieta Battle I'm talking about), able to decapitate them with her strength, and overpower their Yoki Control with her sheer brute muscle strength too, and lastly and most powerfully, she was able to react and parry Rigardo's attack, whereas the higher ranked Flora (rank 8) wasn't even able to react. That's very impressive by Undine, especially for a rank 11 besting a rank 8, and we're talking about Rigardo here too, the Silver Eyed Lion King, an Awakened rank 2, and probably THEE most powerful AB there is.

So, this is why I chose Undine, as I pointed out some issues that Yuma voters have to contend with addressing.

the WEAKER ABs that attacked Rabona = ~ ranks 27-47 = (the manga mentions them as having a ~"lower quality" then the Pieta/Isley's ABs, with the HAs/Ghosts almost laughing at how weak these ABs are compared to the Pieta/Isley's ABs)

Last edited by HegemonKhan; November 23, 2010 at 06:55 PM.

"The internet’s perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain’t one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling and a notional “live audience” quickly conspire to create a “perfect storm” of perpetual bickering." - Charlie Brooker

"I hold the wolf by the ears, I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go" -an old saying in Latin