I think it is mostly the same except it includes appliances now, and it now EXCLUDES the AGM batteries. Does include Ecotrek batteries. The warranty on the batteries was one of the things that Hammill always pushed as reason not to be afraid of etrek style setups, so losing it for AGMs is going to force a lot of folks into the Ecotrek, and of course higher bucks for Roadtrek.

It really isn't surprising, I guess, from what we have seen of the AGM setup. I don't see how they could ever last 6 years if used much at all, and this is probably a good time for Roadtrek to get out of warranty on those type systems going forward. It says it went into effect Aug 1, so I hope they told folks that bought after that they just lost their battery warranty Mumkin just picked hers up, so I hope it is OK.

Just another step toward being the too high priced class b leader, I fear.

I assume that it is in effect for mine as I have the EcoTrek 200 although, as usual, the manual doesn't include the EcoTrek or the new warranty. But that said, I doubt that I will own it for 6 years anyway. LOL

BTW... it is really nice not to have to worry about the batteries running down. With the solar panel, there has been enough sun that it has kept that fancy new lithium battery at 12.9 to 13.2. I won't be taking a trip to test their longevity until next month.

Warranties are offered on individual appliances by their respective manufacturers.

MOTORHOME

5 year unlimited mileage/km limited warranty is offered by Roadtrek covering the manufacture of the motorhome only (Does not include the chassis).

E-Trek Extended Warranty

6 year unlimited mileage/km limited warranty is offered by Roadtrek covering the manufacture of the motorhome, appliances, electronics, plumbing and batteries (does not include the chassis)

The new Peace of Mind motorhome warranty on the link Booster posted:

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APPLIANCES

Warranties are offered on individual appliances by their respective manufacturers.

PEACE OF MIND MOTORHOME WARRANTY

Six year unlimited mileage/km, Peace of Mind motorhome warranty, covering the manufacture of the motorhome, appliances, electronics, plumbing and EcoTrek batteries. Original manufactures warranty on all appliances will be applied first. Warranty excludes the complete chassis and AGM batteries which have a normal one year manufacturer’s warranty. Effective on all new units purchased on or after August 1st 2015.

Roadtrek’s six year unlimited mileage/km Peace of Mind warranty is fully transferable from the first owner to the second owner. A warranty transfer card can be found in the back of the models owners manual.

Personally, I think I would agree only if you get the Ecotrek batteries, or very few batteries, comparing to the old warranty. Having to replace eight AGM batteries in an etrek, would be way higher than fixing a few appliances, even if they do fail. It will be interesting to see how they do it, as there wasn't any mention (that I noticed anyway), of if any labor is included. That is often the biggest cost of repairs, and is usually not included. If labor is not included, trading batteries for appliance coverage is not a very good trade.

In six years, it is interesting to guess how much would be covered, though. My guess, totally arbitrary and unsupported, would be.

Onan-if it is considered an appliance-or other covered item. Almost certainly would be in need of service, but most would be denied based on improper care, as the claims are now.

Macerator--one replacement needed, probably half denied do to stuff found in them

Water pump--one replacement needed, if they cover ones that occasionally cycle

Power sofa--probably one repair needed

Frigs, microwaves, AC, TV, chargers, etc, usually would make that long without issue for most folks.

I would guess they were getting killed on the battery replacement part of the old warranty and needed to make it look like the new one is better, rather than just removing the battery coverage for AGM. Most folks don't know that batteries are easy to kill and very expensive to replace, when they go RV shopping the first time, I know we didn't. The everything else warranty will look great, especially if they never saw the old one. The 5 year coverage on the batteries never did make much sense to many of us, as it was a pretty likely failure, especially with the high electric use, no useful monitoring units. No doubt they were wise to get rid of that coverage, especially since no other manufacturers decided to match it.

I just noticed (a little/lot slow today), that the old warranty never really said they covered the batteries on the non etrek models. Was that a Hammil on Facebook thing, or is it written somewhere? I seem to remember someone saying he had expanded it to cover all batteries when folks expressed some concerns.

It is pretty easy to kill an AGM battery in as little as a year. I know. I've done it and it was easy when relying on one single battery and little control over discharge. Also, Technomadia said their AGM batteries didn't last much longer than that and that was what turned them onto Lithium Ion. Even with their lithium ions I think they severely abused them in a southwest superheated climate, few controls and maybe similar use as their year killing AGMs; yet after 3.5 years they were still 76% efficient. Lithium ion batteries have been improved since Technomadia's initial install, we know a bit more about cold weather, hot weather, depletion and overcharging. If Roadtrek has all the safety stops installed to prevent lithium ion damage I suspect the batteries would easily last through the 6 year warranty. If they do fail then it would probably be from a failure in their electronic systems thus should be warrantable. Also, the lithium ion batteries are in assembled blocks of 3.2 volt cells. If one were bad via manufacturing defect, I think it would not be as big of a hit.

They don't make the batteries. That I would bet. Most all the batteries come from China that are being used in RVs. Assembling is simply bundling cells and wiring them together, first, four 3.2v cells in series to make a 12v equivalent battery and then in parallel with others. I would imagine they are using 200ah cells (mainly because of size) similar to what Advanced RV has been using but I think from a different company. Of course they are not drop in batteries like Smart Battery that can be connected and take the place of an AGM in the same space. Both Roadtrek and Advanced RV started out that way.

I don't think they would absolutely have to warrant them but I think they are smart enough to realize they won't sell them otherwise. And like I said, they most likely have a lot more fail-safe controls on them that no one has ever put on AGM batteries.