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Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

Where do I begin with your contradicting arguments.

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Fayte, there IS no off-screen point.

There is an off screen point. Fact. Even you believe there is, because you say Yukimura gets 2 points with 1 swing of the racquet on the last page. That means it is an off screen point. That is not even a negotiable point. If you say there is no off screen points, you just lost the argument. End of story. The ref did not say a word from 4-0 to 7-1. I rest my case.

Originally Posted by Airgimes

First of all the referee shouts the score count for us.

No, he doesn't. That's the reason we are having this conversation.

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Then at 4-0, Sanada misses the ball, and in the next panel he takes a point with BA.
It can be argued he lost that point, and then at 5-0 got BA, but to say he got that point at 6-0 makes ZERO sense.

This is hilarious to me. Not only do you say "it can be argued he lost that point" (when Sanada BLATANTLY lost the point), but you go on to say getting the point at 6-0 makes zero sense because:

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Why would Konomi miss THAT ONE panel when he iillustrated every other panel??
Your reasoning makes no sense.

Oh I get it. Because Konomi didn't draw a panel showing Yukimura getting that point means it didn't happen, right? So that means Yukimura did not get any more than 1 point after Black Aura because he didn't illustrate a second point. Your argument goes way more against you than it does me, meaning, your reasoning is the one that is senseless.

Originally Posted by Airgimes

Don't you think the ref would have shouted out match point???
Since if you say it was 6-0, then the ref would have shouted out match point at least twice. He never said it once.

THE REF WAS FREAKING DEAD SINCE 4-0. READ THE DAMN CHAPTER.

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

To even go by the OVA which was completely fan service and wrong shows a lot from you.

Fail argument. Just because the OVA is not entirely canon does NOT mean it does not follow canon. Did Yukimura play Sanada? Did Sanada use black aura? Did Yukimura win? Looks to me the OVA got some things right, which means my argument still stands. Black Aura was achieved on match point, and that is how they interpreted it as well. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it being canon or not. It is how you interpret the manga panels.

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Yuki did not obtain only 1 point Fayte. You need re-read it.
It's 4-0, then 5-0 as if you look closely, the ball is bouncing on the ground besides Sanada I only just realized.

It was 5-0 when BA appears.

Like I said, the fact of it being 5-0 and not 4-0 is a non-negotiable point. However, Sanada and Yukimura already began another rally to even allow for BA to appear, so obviously it did not happen directly after Sanada lost that point. There was time in between the 5-0 and the Black Aura. During that time period was when Yukimura got the extra point, NOT after BA. Konomi has never drawn it that way ever. A finishing move always represents 1 point or 1 whole game. It is never 2 points. Yukimura's last attack was a finishing move, meaning it HAD to be match point because a finishing move represents 1 point.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

Nope. There is an off screen point. But I still maintain that Yukimura get 2 points in a row. Yukimura "serious" mode just get the 2 points off Sanada so quickly that it just last a page. Prove me wrong. By cannon material.

Here's what we see.

It was at least 5-0 when we saw Black Aura. You think it could be 6-0. But from the points of what we've seen and only that, it's 5-0. You think there's invisible point off invisible panel. We think Yukimura just win 2 points in a row.

Swinging and getting 2 points in a row JUST show that Yukimura stomp Sanada. That is all.

We are skip points ALL the time. In Ochi/Mouri match, Sanada/Tezuka match. Some of those clearly won 2 points in a row. We just don't know the score until it's over.

Last attack IS always a finishing move. And Yukimura only gets 1 points off that. I'm telling you to find me a page that show the score is 6-0.

Here's one thing we're 100% sure of.

The "time skip" happen after black aura and the finishing smash. You can get as many points as you want in a time skip. Yes, even 2.

Last edited by -Ken-; October 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM.

Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

If you knows you're on my ignore list and you quote my post, there's high chance I would ignore you. Or answer you and not look at your response.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

It's not clear to me when the point Sanada scored with Black Aura but I think it's rather obvious that at that point, Sanada hasn't quite figured out how it works so any resulting score can be explained by the fact that Sanada hasn't figured out BA yet.

It says Yukimura thought he was seeing things when he saw the Black Aura, and the next frame shows Sanada looking normal without the aura. By the time Sanada returned from the mountain training, even random fodder guys can see the Black Aura permanently. So you can assume the Black Aura just popped off for a brief moment, because otherwise there it wouldn't be a 'can't trust your eyes' deal, as it's rather obvious BA is there after Sanada returned from his training.

For all we know Sanada could've scored a point with BA and then can't figure out how to turn it back on again.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

Originally Posted by Fayte

Like I said, the fact of it being 5-0 and not 4-0 is a non-negotiable point. However, Sanada and Yukimura already began another rally to even allow for BA to appear, so obviously it did not happen directly after Sanada lost that point. There was time in between the 5-0 and the Black Aura. During that time period was when Yukimura got the extra point,

Show where this happened.
Your making this up. A ''hidden rallly''.
Lol.
At 5-0, BA came. BA went. Sanada couldn't take a point without BA. End of.

Fail argument. Just because the OVA is not entirely canon does NOT mean it does not follow canon. Did Yukimura play Sanada? Did Sanada use black aura? Did Yukimura win? Looks to me the OVA got some things right, which means my argument still stands. Black Aura was achieved on match point, and that is how they interpreted it as well. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with it being canon or not. It is how you interpret the manga panels.

Now you're being silly.
Obviously the OVA would show those primary things.

You are assuming BA was achieved on match-point. At no point have you shown concrete evidence it happened then.
All the evidence goes against this.

Get passionate about Sanada all you want. You cannot change the manga Fayte.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

reminds me in pot1, in kantou tournament when only sanada saw the samurai aura that ryoma had. or maybe samurai spirit. it would be werid to imagine a samurai all a sudden. so i would say he saw it.

Well only the powerful can see the samurai spirit (Tezuka, Sanada). But, the guys who saw the Black Aura after Sanada returned were just random HS fodders. It can be assumed at that point Sanada must be walking around in a shroud of darkness that anybody can see. So given that I assume initially he must not be able to maintain it for any extended time, like he just unlocked it once and score a point and can't turn it back on, because we see Sanada without the BA after a single frame with BA.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

also,not cannon , but ova showed rai went through YUKIS RACKET gut. this doesnt diminish yuki's skill as he went straight to returning rai bu faILED DUE TO GUT BEING TORN.

SO WHEN DOES THE GUT always BREAK AND NOT?

i'm asumming yuki didnt think guts break vs rai, cuz he would have avoiding losing a point if possible.
but still only a couple people faced rai. not sure in the beginning of u-17 before Jrs eliminations, if the gut broke vs other HSers, unarthorized Jrs vs Hsers match

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

Seriously they should of stick to the OVA format for the first 15 episode and not the bogus quality we got; I dont care if it comes out monthly like the national in the Original POT because i prefer quality over quantity. If they continue with the anime which they most likely are I hope it's OVA format

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

also,not cannon , but ova showed rai went through YUKIS RACKET gut. this doesnt diminish yuki's skill as he went straight to returning rai bu faILED DUE TO GUT BEING TORN.

SO WHEN DOES THE GUT always BREAK AND NOT?

i'm asumming yuki didnt think guts break vs rai, cuz he would have avoiding losing a point if possible.
but still only a couple people faced rai. not sure in the beginning of u-17 before Jrs eliminations, if the gut broke vs other HSers, unarthorized Jrs vs Hsers match

edit sorry 4 caps

That's purely for Sanada fan. Yukimura knows it will break. He saw it at least 20 times+ at Sanada vs Tezuka match. There's no need for him to be dumb, at all. Hence, he return it first time in the manga.

Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

If you knows you're on my ignore list and you quote my post, there's high chance I would ignore you. Or answer you and not look at your response.

Re: Yukimura vs Sanada OVA edition

Originally Posted by LJkAze

Seriously they should of stick to the OVA format for the first 15 episode and not the bogus quality we got; I dont care if it comes out monthly like the national in the Original POT because i prefer quality over quantity. If they continue with the anime which they most likely are I hope it's OVA format

Nationals OVA was amazing quality.
They did an amazing job with so many things.
They only messed up with Hyakku Ren.

New PoT has been awful with quality. They even use the EXACT same scene when someone tosses the ball up for a serve.
Every. Single. Time. Watch any episode and you will know what I mean.