As I found out this morning, when I woke up that the world didn't come to a end just because we lost yesterday, even though, threw the 15+ beers I drank yesterday, I convinced myself that we are heading down the same road we do every year since 1991. This morning threw my blood shot eyes trying to get ready for work @ 6:00am, I came up with a thought on what to do with all those penalties we get. With all the money Dan has why don't we hire a ref to watch over are practices and start throwing flags when they don't count, instead of when they do count, and costing us the game, I don't know if you are aloud to do that, but doesn't that make sense, we can find out who is making the stupid mistakes, such as jumping off sides, motion, pass interference and start docking them pay, until we correct the problems. We can and better correct the stupid, and I mean stupid personal fouls like trotter got and the late hits from the first game. We can and I feel will be a dominant force in the NFC East, we almost beat the Giants and played one of are worst games. And as far as the Eagles goes they are heading down the wrong road, we can win this division, I do actually believe this and not just stating it because I bleed burgundy and gold. Any thoughts on hiring a ref, let me know if that was a stupid thought or maybe it is what we need, I know SOS needs to start doing something with these penalties I just thought this might be a good suggestion.

As long as they do full field windsprints too - the whole team - say 5 for each penalty. One person screws up they all suffer, in practice, in the game - doesn't matter. Fine em for practice and game penalties too

Rich in Roanoke
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One more thing I was thinking after reading your post skinsfaninroanke, doct them in pay in practice and then double it in the game, if they don't learn in practice and take it serious, are they going to be ready to take it serious in the game, I not saying making it thousands of dollars, but making it something worth while, to where they won't want to screw up. !!! Because we all now they can't afford to give up any money.

One more thing I was thinking after reading your post skinsfaninroanke, doct them in pay in practice and then double it in the game, if they don't learn in practice and take it serious, are they going to be ready to take it serious in the game, I not saying making it thousands of dollars, but making it something worth while, to where they won't want to screw up. !!! Because we all now they can't afford to give up any money.

way we're playin, that will even create some cap room

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Yep - if anyone whines about being fined for penalities - offer to institute a fine for whiners, then ask if their diapers need changing. These are men, and well paid men. This is their job, which fortunately for them, is fun for a good part of the time.

It is work, hard, dangerous, sweaty work. In the real world a penalty for not following rules might be getting your hand caught in a piece of machinery because you wore a bracelet you weren't supposed to be wearing.

They should just THINK. If they don't want to they can get out of the NFL and go dig ditches or something and see how much they like it.

Rich in Roanoke
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If fines don't work, I say the coaches start giving the players some salt-peter (sp?) {or something like that} so they can focus on playing football ONLY instead of other things....until we can stop those penalties.

I bet that'll fix 'em!

Fran Farren
"Justice Hog"

Newark, DE

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"Justice that love gives is a surrender, justice that law gives is a punishment."
-Mohandas Gandhi

It could be the winning mentality thing. But what worries me is Spurrier teams in the past got lots of penalties too. This is something he has never focussed on because in college his talent level was such he could overcome this. Its like we've found this year's coach "growth" experience. Spurrier clearly knows he's to blame and that if he was doing something different this wouldn't be happening. Case in point - Parcells teams in the past and in the free agency era just don't have penalties. They aren't tolerated. Parcells does something to eliminate them as do lots of other coaches.

In training camp the skins were constantly jumping offsides and holding - I pointed this out in my reports as others did. I think there is something to the adage that you play like you practice. Bringing the officials in for one week was nice, but really, I think they need to hire a full time retired official or two.

Yes the players have to take personal responsibility, but this one is on coach spurrier just as much. I listened to him last night on sportstalk980 (every monday at 6:00) and he sounded like he was at his wits end about this - he doesn't know what to do, but he made it clear that the players are an extension of the coaching staff. He also said that while benching was an option, he didn't think he had enough players to do this. The worst thing from his perspective was that it was the team leaders who were most guilty for these things.

I do believe that ultimate its the coaches actions which lead a team to having more or less penalties. I think either Spurrier has to learn some new tricks, his assistants do, or he needs to change some horses (coaches). Maybe all three. Then again, maybe his approach of saying "Its their responsibility as professionals" will work - maybe thats the Spurrier way - we will see.