The new “publishing phenomenon” in France, as Elaine Sciolino calls it in The New York Times, is Stephane Hessel’s manifesto, Indignez-Vous, or as it is called in the new American publication, A Time for Outrage. A scant 14 pages of text, the pamphlet — a more accurate name for it than a book — has sold 600,000 copies in France in a three month period that began last October. One can also read it in a recent issue of The Nation, although the magazine has it behind a firewall. The introduction to the book by Charles Glass, however, is available at their website.

Indeed, the book has become a world-wide phenomenon. It has sold a total of 1.5 million copies by now in France, and has been translated in many countries including Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Korea, Japan and Sweden. Why has it been such a success? Sciolono answers that it was a popular Christmas gift among “left-leaning intellectuals, [and] parents struggling to inject political activism into their children.” It also resonated in France because Hessel has a bona fide history as one of the remaining heroes of the World War II era — he is now 93 years old, and was not only an opponent of the pro-Nazi Vichy regime during the war, he fled France to work with Charles De Gaulle and his government in exile in London. Then, he parachuted into occupied France in 1944 to help the underground Resistance. Caught by the Gestapo, he was tortured and sent to two different concentration camps, and sentenced to hang. He switched identities with an inmate who had died, and escaped while being sent to yet a third camp.

After the war, Hessel became a diplomat, worked with Eleanor Roosevelt at the UN to draft the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and eventually became a writer. Thus, all of his life’s work allows him to write as a legitimate hero of France, passing down his wisdom to the new generations from one of the last survivors of the war years. As he told the Times, he knows that people say “he’s the old man who has been in the Resistance and who has joined General De Gaulle. So obviously that was part of the success.”

Critics have been harsh. One critic wrote that the tract is “repetitive, unoriginal, simplistic and frustratingly short.” Perhaps something that takes ten minutes of one’s time is about on the level of what today’s young people can read; or perhaps its virulent nature and self-indulgent call to action is what appeals to many of those activists who proclaim anarchism as their ideology.

What the pamphlet reminds me of is not Zola’s J ’Accuse, as some have said, but more appropriately, the kind of article attacked so powerfully in the 1920s by Julien Benda, in his now classic La Trahison des Clercs,published in America as The Treason of the Intellectuals. Benda wrote about the pro-fascist arguments of earlier French intellectuals such as Charles Maurras. Despite his insistence that he is modernizing the anti-fascism of his generation to face new threats today, Hessel resembles Maurras more than he does a modern French anti-totalitarian such as Bernard Henri-Levy.

Let me then take up some of his facile arguments. First, Hessel argues for a domestic commitment to social-democracy. After all, the manifesto of The Resistance in 1944 called for “a rational organization of the economy” in which the individual interest was subordinated to the public interest. That means, he writes, “a social safety net” in which everyone is guaranteed a living if they cannot get a job and full retirement benefits. It also, he argues, includes nationalization of the major industries and the banks. In other words, a rather outdated old fashioned Marxist vision that has long been abandoned by most of Europe’s social-democrats. He does not believe that “the state can no longer cover the cost of these social programs,” and believes that claim is nothing less than propaganda. Hessel suffers then, from an inability to acknowledge the reality of the problems besetting the European welfare states. The claim, he says, is due to one force: “the power of money,” which he and his comrades fought against decades earlier. The Resistance’s motivation was outrage: hence it should be the motivation for today’s young as well. As Hessel writes: “We say to you: take over, keep going, get angry!” These slogans are the substitute for reason in Hessel’s vocabulary.

Hessel believes he is a Hegelian. Of course Hegel in his day believed that man had reached the final stage of history in the dialectically evolved Prussian State and monarchy; Hessel’s variation is that man advanced liberty step by step until at the end, it “may achieve a democratic state in some ideal form”; i.e., the form of social democracy he has previously outlined.

As he turns to the world at large, Hessel claims he wants a world that adheres to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights he helped draft, in which no crimes against humanity are allowed. There is, of course, much to be upset about in today’s world. I could list many such things, particularly singling out regimes that commit crimes against their own peoples. These include regimes like Iran, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Gaddafi’s Libya in the current days, scores of Arab regimes including Saudi Arabia, Gaza under the control of Hamas, or Kim Jong-Il’s North Korea. The list is large. One might hope that today, Hessel would be singing the praises of the Arab revolutions, as does Natan Sharansky. “A historical page has at least begun to turn,” writes Sharansky. The citizens now taking to the streets are opposing their own authoritarian dictators, and not protesting against the supposed enemy of Zionism and Israel. Thus the once imprisoned Soviet dissident now sees “the region’s democratic dissidents as our real partners.”

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Marie Claude

“Only in France, where a previous best seller after 9/11 explained the terrorist attack as the result of a Bush conspiracy, would a screed such as Hessel’s assume such importance and be seen as a fountainhead of wisdom”

with this sentence you show that you aren’t better that this senile Hessel

Yes, only in France. Only in France, where Captain Alfred Dreyfus was convicted of treason. Only in France, where Jacques René Chirac made the distinction between “the French people” and “the French Jews”. Only in France, where prostituting the country out to the recycled petrodollar cash cow (OPEC) is an art form. Only in France, where rival refugee political leaders can all find refuge at the same time. Only in France, where a NATO “ally” insisted on associate members status. Only in France, the prime political opportunist of the planet.

You forgot to add, “Only in France, where the country’s President can have deep financial dealings with a mass murderer, and pretend to oppose U.N. action against that dictator on humanitarian grounds.”

(Look into Chirac’s long-standing business connections with Saddam Hussein. Who was it who built that reactor the Israelis bombed way back when? Yeah, our buddy Jaques.)

Let’s just remind that from 1048 to 1967 Israel’s survival was possiblme mainly because of France while the Unied States was indifferent and the UK activaly hostile. Let’s also remind those French servicemen who risked their careers to help Israel retrieve the msissile apatrol boats De Gaulle had mebargoed.

Hessel replies : ““I feel that I am completely in solidarity with Jews in the world, because I know what it is to be a Jew. I’ve seen what it is, I am myself of Jewish origin, and therefore I can only be fully in support of the idea that the Jews, after all they’ve suffered, need a country where they are at home. I shouted my joy when Israel was founded. I said, ‘At last!’ ”

Radosh shines a flood light on another Jewish anti-semite who pretends to love the Jews, but to hates Israel for their crimes against the Palestinians who’s avowed goal is to drive the jews into the sea. The Israeli Jewish leaders Hessel says, “are forgetting the fundamental human values of Judaism.” By that I assume he means to relinquish their right to survive.

Aptly put. The ‘exception’ Jews like this man ‘must’ sacrifice the rest of us so they can secure their place, gain fictional acceptance and ‘teach’ the Gentiles while they assist the slaughter of masses of Jews. It was actually Yitzhak Rabin who wrote a brilliant introduction to a book on this very topic. Addressing the ‘anti-Zionism’ of the playwright George Steiner (his sister was a childhood friend of my mother’s in NY), Rabin explained perfectly what Steiner was actually doing. I can’t recall the name of the book, but I later wondered how a man who could write such a great dissection of the Jewish anti-Zionist mindset could wander into Oslo.

Yes, only in France. Only in France, where Captain Alfred Dreyfus was convicted of treason.

Only in France he could have a trial, while somwhere else, he would have starved and or been gazzed in a Labour camp…

Only in France, where Jacques René Chirac made the distinction between “the French people” and “the French Jews”.

Only in France 75% of the Jews survived to the Nazi occupation, because no distinction between the French and the Jews was made since our Revolution. But you are sensible to Sharon sirens, that advertised of such rumor, cuz Israel need to repopulate, and as our Jew community is the biggest after the US’one… too bad fast no french Jews wanted to leave France in spite of supporting Israel.

“Only in France, where prostituting the country out to the recycled petrodollar cash cow (OPEC) is an art form.”

I’m sorry to tell ya that that was a Clinton decision that benefitted the most to the US, imagine that you were so cheap oil greedy, you 1000 vs 10 for the Little France

” Only in France, where rival refugee political leaders can all find refuge at the same time.”

These were sent to France by your State Department, Haiti, Duvalier was drove out by CIA, Komeyny was sent to France by your service, while CIA was fomenting a revolution in Iran to remove the Sha that was positionned there by the same CIA… not mentionning all the little tyrans in Latin and central America, Pinochet beeing the most famous one, all US ingeenring ! and Africa’s Eurasias… the colored revolutions… bizarre that nowadays only Iran isn’t buying your services anymore !

“Only in France, where a NATO “ally” insisted on associate members status.”

Normal we aren’t your colony, nor your Légion Etrangère, but your warfare partners, but freedom worshippers that don’t like to be diktated the rules

“Only in France, the prime political opportunist of the planet.”

Not opportunists, but citizens that try to survive amid big pressions from the western side of the pond and from the easttern side of the wall

But we are friends now, since you didn’t find french WMD in Irak and that your eagles lost their feathers !

now you can update your french pay-pal for wine purchases, because the Chinese will get the whole lot otherwise

Normal we aren’t your colony, … but your warfare partners, but freedom worshippers that don’t like to be diktated the rules

Lady, you’re smokin something. France hasn’t been a warfare anything since the American Revolution. Cheese eatin surrender monkeys comes to mind nowadays. You clowns can’t even control the muslims that are taking over your country and I pray you wear your burka well.

My, my, a little irritated about the truth Marie Claude? Some of my extended family who were Jews fled France and took their children to England to protect them from the Nazis. After the war they repatriated to Holland, they chose not to return to France. I understand that along with them, many other Jewish families followed the same path. Anti-semitism in Europe is rising, and I am told by friends who live in Lyons, that it is particularly strong in France.

Mr. Radosh, I have a question for you: why don’t these old commies just die already? I know. I know. Did you ever take note that they malinger for a very long time? That might sound a little too harsh but really. Every week it seems you startle the reader with another revelation about these bastards and each time I read something else you have written I am always, well, to put it a little mildly, just a bit pissed off that so many of them just hang on. Decade after decade their putrescence chokes the life out of each succeeding generation, their miasma of predatory politics and the stench of death and authoritarianism suffocating and infecting generation after generation. This man is…93?? How many people have been born and died and this ghoul continues to live as he preaches death. There are too many shuffling dessicated relics of bygone eras inhabiting this earth, each clinging to kingdoms and fantasies of kingdoms stillborn. When will their time to rot finally arrive so the rest of humanity can cover them with dirt and bury their blackened hearts?

Nazis had divided races into different categories. The aryan race was a master race. Races like Jews and Gypsies were to be completely eliminated off the face of the earth. The races like Slavs (such as Russians) were to be a “slave” races, to be used as slaves to aryan masters.
Germans did not practice holocaust in Russia, but what they did there was still very, very bad. Stuff like completely destroying a random village after attack by resistance, was normal. Remember, that those villages did not have ANY men of fighting age in them, the only people who were left in occupation were women, children and old people. And those were not SS troops, but your regular run of the mill army, who did the killing enthusiastically and without a second thought. Rounding up bunch of people who could work and sending them to Germany as slaves was happening all the time. Rapes and executions were normal things.
Russian soldiers knew very well what happened to their families. They knew that “regular” germans were behind it, not just few nazis. Revenge is a VERY powerful thing.

At the end, the total amount of germans killed in WW2 was a small fraction of losses Soviet Union had suffered. So spare me you indignation.

,,And those were not SS troops, but your regular run of the mill army, who did the killing enthusiastically and without a second thought. Rounding up bunch of people who could work and sending them to Germany as slaves was happening all the time. Rapes and executions were normal things.”
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Perfect Stalinist propaganda piece!

>Perfect Stalinist propaganda piece!
RIght. You do know that Stalin has been dead for about 60 years, right? He does not do propaganda anymore. It would be Putin’s propaganda now. But then, you seems to be stuck in 1930s, as far as soviet history is concerned.

Stalin might be dead, but Stalinists live for ever- everything you have written so far is a perfect example of the ever living soviet- Stalinist propaganda stories, which you’ve tried to install in the mind of Americans.

Gaza is an open-air prison made into one by HAMAS, murderers of Palestinians who sing at weddings, bomber of working class Israelis in Sderot from their rocket emplacements set up on the green houses given to HAMAS by the withdrawing Israelis and destroyed because their raison d’etre isn’t an independent state but the destruction of Israel and mass murder of Jews. Read the HAMAS charter-you’ll get a kick out of its attacks on the Lion’s Club and Rotary as conspiratorial organizations but you will understand what HAMAS stands for.

can you spot the difference between “global security threat” and “country whose policies make me feel indignant”?

Radosh pose a question, then answers on behalf of Hessel with a phrase that Hessel never said (at least in the citation provided here), and then condemn Hessel for that!

not to talk about Radosh inability to distinguish between “understanding the motivations” of an act and “justifiyng” the same act.

and finally, may I suggest that the reason people condemn Israel for its policies, while they don’t talk too much about contries like Syria, is because Israel is a democracy and so we expect more from it, while we don’t expect nothing different from backward, authoritarian counties?

Sorry – not buying it. People want Israel to perish. If the darned Jews just die then the world can “move on.” Liberals have no problem with murderous, barbaric muslims (which is an affront to all mankind) but Jews defending themselves is an affront. S crew the world!

Hessel picks on Israel because he wants the most people at his funeral. It is always more comfortable to attack a person/country that is a traditional scapegoat.Especially when you can offer esoteric reasons for doing so.

Whenever I read a self-serving tome by an “old resistance fighter” I am reminded that was not a time when the good survived. I am always a little curious about these claims of being a resistance hero after the disclosures about Francois Mitterand’s opportunism. If I recall correctly, it was his brother not him who was the real resistance figure. Even if Mr. Hessell earned his accolades, that doesn’t automatically mean he was a righteous man. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend, sometimes he is just a different kind of enemy.

Isn’t it odd that our Jewish community is enclined to vote left wing? and that it was at the origin of our muslim immigration too. Of course most are BoBO bourgeois and don’t live in muslim quaters, they even defen the “illegals”.

The intelligentzia is not 1% of the Jewish community. Just speak with them. And see the polls results (published by Le Monde in 2007): over 80% of Jews voted Sarkozy. Almost all the French Jews I iknow, and I know hundreds, are more right wing than the National Front. They are the only part of the French population that is at the same time pro-Israel (of course), pro-USA, pro-free market, and anti-muslim.

By the way, you never heard of Eric Zemmour, Elisabeth Levy, Alain Finkielkraut and other Jewish intellectuals accused of being horrible reactionnary right-wing fascists ? It’s a rethorical question of crouse: Zemmour is one of the most famous journalist in France and his condemnation for “racism” (just for stating a bland fact) made the main titles.

Hmmmm. Human rights. That’s for the sort of people who live in Rwanda or Libya or Iran or Sudan. As for me, I like Constitutional Rights of the kind that exist only in bourgeois countries. Human rights are guaranteed by “collective security”. That’s the kind of security which the people of Libya are now experiencing. Constitutional rights are guaranteed by the republic which hasn’t been doing a very good job of it lately.

,,Isn’t it odd that our Jewish community is enclined to vote left wing?”
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No, not at all! It always has been that way- any time and anywhere in the world! Since the time they started the revolution in Russia, and on and on it goes.
Perhaps, only exception would be in Israel, but I am not so sure about it as well.
I have yet to meet one Jewish person, who isn’t a socialist. Perhaps only true believer, an orthodox Jew would not. Lord, please help Israel- your people are blind.

The majority of the Jews in the world are right wing. The only place where they are left-wingers is USA (and only moderately). Don’t ask me why.
Israelis Jews are very right wing. Just look at the elections results – the liberal left wing parties got fewer than 15%, and that’s including the Avoda which is not very liberal in fact.

How are the Israeli elections “my personal example” ? You know byt the way that over 40% of Jews live in Israel and over 65$ of Jewish children – meaning than within a generation the majority of Jews will be living in Israel. So how they vote is indeed more representative of the Jewish vote than that of 5 Jews you saw on French TV.

you forget that our Jews are in our country since centuries, and that they were confronted with our revolution ideas, that Marx was a Jew, that Jews made the Bolchevik revolution, that our government between the two WW were mostly lead by Jews, Leon Blum, and in the fifties Mendes-France…. those that might be right-wing, came from our north Africa colonies, but not the wealthiest’s, but the grand bourgeois like Fabius, Jaques Attali, BHL… are lefties

Vast majority of Jews from former Soviet Union are very right wing. Unfortunately, our kids, who are either born in US or come here very young, generally follow same path as the rest of US Jews- become left wing. Hope they’ll grow out of it.

,,Vast majority of Jews from former Soviet Union are very right wing.”
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What a bunch of cr-p. All of them were Communist party members. Most of them were some sort of nachalniks- aparatchiks of the countless party comities at every location in USSR. Being very well provided by the party. By coming here all of them claimed to be the anti- communists, same time collecting all kinds of government subsidies and soon enough voting democrat

,,No indignation over the 10 million Germans kicked out of what is now Poland and the Czech Republic? I forget – the Soviets were the good guys.”
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Indeed! You will never hear about the rape of Europe, done by the soviet barbarians, so horrible, which put the Mongols some centuries ago to shame. But shhhh- there are no films/ movies made to confirm that, so- that never happened.

Right. In war were civilians were killed by both sides, where everyone was being bombed indiscriminately, were whole cities were completely wiped out, you want to single out one country, the one that had suffered more casualties then everyone else in both military AND civilian population?
Don’t get me wrong, Soviet Union has a lot to answer for, good part of it was what it did to its own citizens, but this is a very different conversation.
Soviet barbarians, indeed.

,,Right. In war were civilians were killed by both sides, where everyone was being bombed indiscriminately, were whole cities were completely wiped out, you want to single out one country”
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Obviously, you don’t know what we are talking about. Please read the ”poetry” of Ilia Erenburg- Stalin’s favorite war propaganda poet- who was writing the verses how good that must feel to kill and rape the German blond women and children, the useless blond beasts. ,, kill, kill, kill every German you meet, it’ll be a good day for you and every one, when you kill a German, and your mother will forgive you”.
Stalin himself said as and answer to Tito’s complaints about the barbaric rapes in Yugoslavia- ”what’s wrong with that? A soldier needs his pleasure sometimes!”.

>,,Right. In war were civilians were killed by both sides, where everyone was being bombed indiscriminately, were >whole cities were completely wiped out, you want to single out one country”
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>Obviously, you don’t know what we are talking about. Please read the ”poetry” of Ilia Erenburg- Stalin’s favorite >war propaganda poet- who was writing the verses how good that must feel to kill and rape the German blond >women and children, the useless blond beasts. ,, kill, kill, kill every German you meet, it’ll be a good day for you >and every one, when you kill a German, and your mother will forgive you”.
>Stalin himself said as and answer to Tito’s complaints about the barbaric rapes in Yugoslavia- ”what’s wrong with >that? A soldier needs his pleasure sometimes!”.

You must be an expert then. Am I correct to understand that you claim that my statement that “civilians were killed by both sides” is incorrect? Are you actually claiming that Russians were the only ones that killed civilians?
But you seems to want to talk about one particular piece of writing as a proof of your claim, so lets examine it, shall we? You must have read it in English translation on Wikipedia. You couldn’t have read real thing in Russian, because what you saying is frankly, total garbage.
The piece is not poetry, its in prose. It says NOTHING about rape. it says NOTHING about civilians. It talks about killing german soldiers. It states that germans treat us as animals, and we should treat them no better. It says that germans should be killed at any opportunity. I assume that you aware that he wrote this in 1942, which was when German troops were fighting deep in russian territory and were russian troops had no way to get anywhere near german civilians? Those were one of the darkest days of the war, were it seems that USSR was losing in really bad way. Nothing is wrong with putting out a little bit of morale-boosting reading.

As far as rapes went – sure russians raped a lot of german women. Nobody denies that. As I had said before, everyone had committed war crimes during WW2. It’s just that germans did it first, did it a lot more then anyone else and they did much more then rapes. So they are not in the position to complain about it.

Gnome Chomsky Finklestein Weinstein and Hollywood panderers and Dhimmicratic Islam lovers, Obama, some of the finest jewhaters uhh I mean anti Zionists uhh no I mean “criticizers of Israel” are right here in good old USA.

This age old disease can affect humans of any nation and it is highly contagious- spread by MOUTH

Marie-Claude:
1. North African Jews in France are over 70% of the Jewish population.
2. They are also pretty wealthy – Jacques Attali and BHL are from North Africa by the way.
3. Marx was “ethnically” Jewish, not culturally.
4. Jews did not rule France between the 2 WW – Blum was less than 2 years prime minister, and Mendes-France was in the 50′s (and a short time also). They were more or less the only Jews in French politics for decades.
5. All this does not change the basic fact that French Jews, like Israeli Jews and many others are overwhelmingly right-wing conservatives. US Jews are indeed liberals for their own unknown reasons.

No I don’t. Marx father converted to Christianity, his mother also, that’s not exactly the most Jewish atmosphere you can imagine. They were totally assimilated Jews and Marx was even an antisemite – like you, so you should like him.

>Vast majority of Jews from former Soviet Union are very right wing.”
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>What a bunch of cr-p. All of them were Communist party members. Most of them were some sort of nachalniks- >aparatchiks of the countless party comities at every location in USSR. Being very well provided by the party. By >coming here all of them claimed to be the anti- communists, same time collecting all kinds of government subsidies >and soon enough voting democrat

Wow, You are just a fountain of information, aren’t you? You do know that jews in USSR were extremely limited as to what position they could hold? While most of us were engineers and doctors, you’d have to look very hard to find those that are regular part members, less so those who hold any position of power, and I do not know of any who’d be a committee members, even on regional basis. Do you know of any? How about names? Back up your assertion with something more then empty words please.
There are statistics, easily found on the web, that support my experience, for example http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/5756-soviet-refugees-flock-to-the-republican-party

,,No I don’t. Marx father converted to Christianity, his mother also, that’s not exactly the most Jewish atmosphere you can imagine. They were totally assimilated Jews and Marx was even an antisemite – like you, so you should like him.”
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Again, why do you like to lie so much, like nobody would know the truth, or had never experienced anything in life much far beyond what your commie propaganda lies would tell everyone?
The daddy of Karl Marx converted to Christianity for better business opportunities, and ONLY for that reason. There was no integration into Christianity what so ever- they were the true J-s.
Karl Marx was never anti-Semite, but just the same self loathing j-ish guy, as the rest of the socialists always have been. They hate God and they hate Israel.
Don’t call me anti- Semite to your satisfaction! I am no such thing. But what I a am calling for, is for J-s to finally start speaking the TRUTH about their COLOSSAL input into commie ideology.

,,Wow, You are just a fountain of information, aren’t you? You do know that jews in USSR were extremely limited as to what position they could hold? While most of us were engineers and doctors, you’d have to look very hard to find those that are regular part members, less so those who hold any position of power, and I do not know of any who’d be a committee members, even on regional basis”
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Right- ,, engineers and doctors”- LOL!
In every factory, or what ever business(of course, the gov biz) there always had been a J-sh or Russian commissar all over SSSR- ALWAYS!
In every so called damn ”soviet republic”. The J-sh were always the most eager, always!
I will never forget the J-sh commissar women who interrogated me back in Latvia while under Russian occupation. I had to undergo her harassment and harsh interrogation, while attempting to get permission to visit my relatives in USA. In later years I met her here in San Francisco, and she begged me not to tell anyone, that she had ever been a Communist party member and a commissar with great powers over peoples lives. You know what- I would say something stronger to you, if not for fear of being banned, I am sure you would well deserve that.

Just like I said, you are living in 30s. Jews were active in the revolution, that is absolutely correct. Many reasons why, constant persecution would be one of them. Lots of commissars were Jewish. Until Stalin and the others after him killed them off, and removed them from any real position of power starting sometime in 40s.
But you, Latvians, are very different story. Just like Ukrainians, You ARE anti-Semites. Always were and alway will be. Your relatives were the ones who were rounding up my relatives and sending them to concentration camps. Were you old enough to participate? Have you been german collaborator yourself? Did you live in a house taken from a Jew sent to concentration camp? I’d say something stronger to you, but I do not think it’ll make a bit of a difference.

Udar:
,,As far as rapes went – sure russians raped a lot of german women. Nobody denies that. As I had said before, everyone had committed war crimes during WW2. It’s just that germans did it first, did it a lot more then anyone else and they did much more then rapes. SO THEY ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
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Of course, they are not in the position to complain about it, because they lost the war.
The victor is always right, no matter what they did. Besides, there are no moving pictures, like those of the Buchenwald and such, to confirm what actually was going on with the Russian army and what they did, while in Europe.

>The victor is always right, no matter what they did.
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Really? That doesn’t seem to work with palestinians.
But as far as germans go, they got absolutely what they deserved. They started it, they lost, they got screwed. End of story. If they didn’t want to be screwed, they shouldn’t have started it.
Anyway, this is a pointless discussion. Just so you know, I am not really arguing with you, I am providing a rebuttal so other people, who do not know that particular history, could judge for themselves and ignore your lies.

,,But as far as germans go, they got absolutely what they deserved.”
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Well, well, isn’t that sweet! The noble victim all of sudden sounds like one monster thirsty for revenge?
So, the blond German women and children well deserved what was coming to them, just like the racist ”poet ” Ilia Erenburgh said? If such is your proposition, perhaps then I should say- you well deserved
what you’ve got?

Udar:

,,But you, Latvians, are very different story. Just like Ukrainians, You ARE anti-Semites. Always were and alway will be. Your relatives were the ones who were rounding up my relatives and sending them to concentration camps. Were you old enough to participate? Have you been german collaborator yourself? Did you live in a house taken from a Jew sent to concentration camp?”
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J-s lived in Latvia for generations, and there never had been any problems. Problems started when the ”holy” j-sh communists betrayed Latvia to the Bolsheviks, as well as what they did in Ukraine.
No, I have never lived in any j-sh house, but surely the Bolshevik J-s, who came with the Russian occupants in 19940.~ they lived comfortably in the houses of Latvians, who were conveniently sent to the GULAG death camps to Siberia- 37,000 of them just in one night in June, and many more after the war.
You know, Udar- spare your fare tales to the ones, who don’t know. I know what happened- you cannot fool me.

Fooling you? You are beyond hope. I can not convince you, and I am not trying to. I am exposing you to everyone else. Your antisemitic views. You hatred for us, so irrational, that you can not even bring yourself to write a word Jew. You really want to use Жид (kike) instead, right? Is it some sort of psychological imperative, to write J-s instead of Jews?

I had already told you that the stuff you read about in Wikipedia regarding Erenburg’s writing is total lie. Assuming you know russian, you can read it in original form, so either you lie on purpose or you can not understand Russian. Which one is it? Either way, you, sir, a lier, and you are an anti-Semite. Your sob story about interrogation by a Jewish (see, I can say Jewish, you apparently can not) commissar has so many holes in it, a battleship can drive through it.

You claims about every Jewish emigrant being communist and voting democrat is another total lie. Show me ANYTHING that back up your story. Anything that is not a delusion of your diseased, Jewish-hating mind.

>Well, well, isn’t that sweet! The noble victim all of sudden sounds like one monster thirsty for revenge?

I am no-ones victim. And I prefer justice to revenge. Justice as in eye for an eye. Just like in the Torah. But do it in proportion – as in if you kill half of us you we can kill half of you. By that measure, your buddies got it easy.
So yes, they did have it coming to them. They used slave labor that was brought to them from Russia by their SS friends. They worked at railroad stations that had efficiently moved millions of Jews brought in for the slaughter, like animals. They reported little Jewish kids who were hidden by few remaining decent people to the police, so they can get their reward. They were walking by concentration camps that were spewing black smoke from their crematoriums, and they knew exactly what was happening there, and they WELCOMED it. ANd you calling me blood-thursty?

What was done was very wrong, on every level. People who did it are mostly dead. Most of those alive haven’t done anything wrong. But there are people like you, who want to rewrite history.

Here is a little riddle for you. Do you know what my handle means? Udar? I’ll give you a hint. It’s in Russian. Удар, in case you want to use google translate. Don’t worry, you had already failed. You would have commented on the word, had you known its meaning. You do NOT know Russian. So all of your “personal” stories are lies. All of them.

Udar:
,,Your sob story about interrogation by a Jewish (see, I can say Jewish, you apparently can not) commissar has so many holes in it, a battleship can drive through it.”
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Was it a sob story? Certainly not mine, but if there were any sobbing, that was coming from the vicious J-sh woman, who was a commie party apartchik, hiding her true past while in USA.
I do not spell the word J-s fully only as a precaution since some Internet filters would not let it go trough. That is all.
Instead of you telling me the Stephen Spielberg movie stories, I could give you real facts, you would never dare to mention.
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Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted Christian peasants as hideous, money-grabbing parasites.

KOMZET : commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier Julius Rosenwald.

Ilya Ehrenburg , Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, “that blonde hag is in for a bad time.”

The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination of the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem ‘Holocaust’ Museum.

Solomon Mikhoels : commissar of Soviet propaganda.

Soviet film propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
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Was it a sob story? Certainly not mine, but if there were any sobbing, that was coming from the vicious J-sh woman, who was a commie party apartchik, hiding her true past while in USA.
I would not spell word J-sh fully only as a precaution since some Internet filters would not it let go trough. That is all.
Instead of telling me the Stephen Spielberg movie stories, I could give you real facts, you would never dare to mention.
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Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted Christian peasants as hideous, money-grabbing parasites.

KOMZET : commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier Julius Rosenwald.

Ilya Ehrenburg , Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, “that blonde hag is in for a bad time.”

The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination of the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem ‘Holocaust’ Museum.

Solomon Mikhoels : commissar of Soviet propaganda.

Soviet film propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).

Udar, these are a well known facts,
Massive rapes thousands and thousands of German women (even 80 years old) including little girls most brutally raped by the Red army liberators from Nazism in 1944. and 1945. In West and East Prussia, Danzig, Pomeranian, Silesia, Berlin etc. What about the murderous orgies and rape, deliberate destruction, arson of the properties, German villages, looting and thievery and murder by the victor Red armies? Who writes about that, or makes films about that? What about the Russian general Zhukov, sending trains full of wagons of looted antique furniture, art, jewelry, gold etc. The captured German POW’s tortured insanely, the civilians of occupied German villages sent to slave labor to Gulag, often times many boys and men castrated before being shot to death, young children raped to death, children taken form mothers arms and slammed against walls and mothers taken to the Russian soldier camps, where being raped to death by gangs of soldiers. Many died on their way to the camps. Old women on their knees begging the Russians just to shoot them, not being able to observe their daughters and granddaughters being raped, then crucified at the doors of the barns or their own houses, their feet bound by wire. They enjoyed carving out the eyes of the blond children, because the Stalin award poet Ilia Ehrenburg was calling for ”no mercy for the blond Nazi children, we have no need for them!” Europe had not seen such a horror, savagery and evil since the Middle ages when the Mongols invaded Europe.
The massive war crimes continued after the capitulation of Germany. The feast of the soviet victors was horrifying.
In May 1945. American Army gave to the Russians the captured famous German pilot Eric Hartman. Only then when the soldiers from Alabama and Texas saw how Eric, his family and many comrades who were surrendered by the Russian, they got the clue and insight, that they have given those people away for sure torture and death. It was horrible.
Udar, don’t talk no more of the Russian victories.

From what I have read here, Ron Radosh and those who eagerly link to his rebuttal to Hessel wilfully miss Hessel’s essential points.

Hessel makes no claims of French superiority or perfection, so those diatribes (above) are specious.

Nor does he makes claims of Israeli perfection. He merely cites legitimate and urgent reasons for people to become indignant and outraged by corporate excess and worldwise injustice.

I, for one, think Hessel’s points are “spot on,” timely, and an inspiration from one who has dedicated his life to the fight against fascism (please read the Wikipedia definition and discussion thereof), past and present. And that’s the point: it IS present and growing like a cancer.