I think much of this article could be merged with [[Khazad-dûm]], and only the following essentials be left/mentioned here:

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I think much of this article could be merged with [[Moria|Khazad-dûm]], and only the following essentials be left/mentioned here:

*Start with "the main article is at Kh-D"

*Start with "the main article is at Kh-D"

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I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

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:I've noticed here and in other articles on Tolkien Gateway that Durin IV is given as the King of Khazad-Dum during the War of the Last Alliance. Is there citation in-canon for that? I've only ever seen approximate dates given for the reigns of Durin III and VI (of the Longbeard rulers who took the name Durin). [[User:Corsair Caruso|Corsair Caruso]] 17:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

:::In that case, should explicit references to Durin IV as the King during the Last Alliance be removed from the respective articles?[[User:Corsair Caruso|Corsair Caruso]] 14:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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::::Yes. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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==Khazad-dûm renamed Moria==

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There seems to be a general agreement about the fact that the mines were only called Moria after the awakening of the Balrog, and that the script in the Doors of Durin that says "Moria" is thus an error. However, is there really any place where Tolkien says that the name Moria belongs only to the Third Age? I can't find anything that suggests so. Only this passage in The Silmarillion:

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"Greatest of all the mansions of the Dwarves was Khazad-dûm, the Dwarrowdelf, Hadhodrond in the Elvish tongue, that was afterwards in the days of its darkness called Moria."

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But this belongs to the chapter called "Of the Sindar" which is, I think, an editorial addition by C. Tolkien. {{unsigned|95.22.55.54}}

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:Source? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 23:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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::Yes, I meant, is there any source that says that the name "Moria" was given to the mines after the appearance of the Balrog? The Silmarillion only says "in the days of its darkness", but this could mean also after the war in Eregion, when they shut the mines. {{unsigned|95.22.55.54}}

I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- Ederchil 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed here and in other articles on Tolkien Gateway that Durin IV is given as the King of Khazad-Dum during the War of the Last Alliance. Is there citation in-canon for that? I've only ever seen approximate dates given for the reigns of Durin III and VI (of the Longbeard rulers who took the name Durin). Corsair Caruso 17:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be a general agreement about the fact that the mines were only called Moria after the awakening of the Balrog, and that the script in the Doors of Durin that says "Moria" is thus an error. However, is there really any place where Tolkien says that the name Moria belongs only to the Third Age? I can't find anything that suggests so. Only this passage in The Silmarillion:
"Greatest of all the mansions of the Dwarves was Khazad-dûm, the Dwarrowdelf, Hadhodrond in the Elvish tongue, that was afterwards in the days of its darkness called Moria."
But this belongs to the chapter called "Of the Sindar" which is, I think, an editorial addition by C. Tolkien. —Unsigned comment by95.22.55.54 (talk • contribs).

Yes, I meant, is there any source that says that the name "Moria" was given to the mines after the appearance of the Balrog? The Silmarillion only says "in the days of its darkness", but this could mean also after the war in Eregion, when they shut the mines. —Unsigned comment by95.22.55.54 (talk • contribs).