O line is terrible and Thomas has proven that he can't get it done, he missed too many open guys. Mitchell probably isn't the savior that many make him out to be but at least his mobility will open the playbook some and buy him time in the pocket. Talent level is definitely bottom third of the conference. Like the saying goes, &quot;you can't make chicken soup out of chicken shiznit.&quot;

O line is terrible and Thomas has proven that he can't get it done, he missed too many open guys. Mitchell probably isn't the savior that many make him out to be but at least his mobility will open the playbook some and buy him time in the pocket. Talent level is definitely bottom third of the conference. Like the saying goes, "you can't make chicken soup out of chicken shiznit."

— Posted by buckets112

yea, the o-line cant run block, cant protect the qb...Thomas is just not cutting it, he was supposed to be the passer, but he is doing a better job of running with the ball...he needs to sit...the biggest disappointment is the defense...the d-line didn't pressure the cuse qb, and the holes that were opened up on the ridiculous long runs were huge...my question, where the hell was the second-level contain on these runs...wtf are the linebackers and safeties doing on these running plays, running full speed to the sideline to create more space for the rb's?!??..Thomas finally throws a good pass to an open receiver, and the guy drops the ball...just pathetic

Chin up my fellow pack fans! This sounds like what I read on PP this morning though all of you are careful to leave Doeren out of the comments! Apparently you still do not realize we have a minor league coach that needs to go! Go pack

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.

— Posted by buckets112

This. Well said buckets.

— Posted by TB from WF

Yeah but it was expected. A huge rebuidling year. Maybe Year 3/4 for Doeren. Fedora should be better next year.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Yes you are making an excuse. SMH!!! LOL....you cannot have it both ways TBK. Go pack

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Yes you are making an excuse. SMH!!! LOL....you cannot have it both ways TBK. Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

I'm not making an excuse. We're 3-3 with the players we have and it is what it is. I'm HOPING we can improve going forward with players that we HOPEFULLY get back from injury.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

How about your Holes? Think they have a chance on Thursday night?

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Well, once again, they are not &quot;my holes&quot;, so I'm not going to play that game with you. I grew up a Miami fan, so I hope they win. I'd love to see them get back to the dominant force they once were. The look on Bobby's face when those field goals sailed wide was priceless.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but &quot;it is what it is&quot;! Go pack

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

Why is it ALWAYS about Carolina? Non of you fringers has ever done anything to disprove my assertion that all you care about is Carolina. SMH.

— Posted by The Hans

Apparently you can't read. It was in response to a post from stalkerkato.

You look to pounce on anything NC STATE related so fast that you can't even be bothered to read your brethren broaching the subject. What a kerliner homer you are.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

I can read just fine. kato's post was discussing State's run defense. Any replies to the post should have been in regards to State's run defense if one wanted to discuss. But no, it always has to be about UNC.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

'shrill's trolling is pathetic....as is her public servant job.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

And yet, there's truth in what he says. It's been that way ever since I can remember, and you new generation of fringers continue to prove it every single day.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

'shrill's trolling is pathetic....as is her public servant job.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

And yet, there's truth in what he says. It's been that way ever since I can remember, and you new generation of fringers continue to prove it every single day.

— Posted by The Hans

Whatever you say, hansbrough. Only an angry kerliner fan such as yourself would say that.