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Monday, March 17, 2014

Kristin Cavallari made news last week, not for her crap fashion collection but because she told FOX News she didn't vaccinate her son Camden and won't vaccinate her next child either because she is concerned they will get autism if they are vaccinated. Good luck getting your kids into school without them being vaccinated. Anyway, that whole thing reminded everyone that Jenny McCarthy is a huge proponent of not getting kids vaccinated so when Jenny asked a question on Twitter about what kind of person you look for in a mate, people took the opportunity to slam her. Many of the responses were along the lines of someone who gets their kids vaccinated or someone who doesn't contribute to the outbreak of measles in NYC or whooping couch in California. Huh. Both places that Jenny McCarthy has lived. When celebrities talk like this then their stories get published and people see one of those stories and then they think it is real. Kind of like when someone is convinced Xenu is real.

Jenny is convinced that her son got autism because he was vaccinated. Reports earlier this year suggested that Jenny's son doesn't even have autism which she denies.

The more vaccinations, the better, in my world. I get the flu shot every year and also get one for my daughter. Hell, they're talking about smallpox maybe coming back as the Siberian permafrost thaws and corpses with smallpox rise to the surface. I've had the smallpox vaccination - I think mine was one of the last generations to get it - but will be first in line for a booster if that monster breaks out again.

Jenny is not the only one who is against vaccinations, and I doubt that she has the kind of following that people in great numbers are quoting her stance on that topic, other than here that is. There are many people who don't vaccinate for religious purposes, or for medical purposes.

Autism is now being used as a catch all diagnosis like schizophrenia used to be...not all kids are "gifted", some need more help from them & teachers...and kids act up when their parents do not act like parents & are never around...

Jenny McCarthy is a blank moron, and you can't even blame it on her hair color.

Kristin Calamari (typo and it stays) said she read "a bunch of books" that said vaccinations are bad, but couldn't name any of the books (aka cereal boxes). You know what's worse than vaccinations? Idiot parents.

In Jenny McCarthy's defense (I can't believe I'm typing that, there was some study - since deemed complete bull shit - that linked vaccines to autism. But, when the findings were found to be untrue, you would think Jenny McCarthy would say something along the lines of, "Ooopsies, my bad."

I always chuckle when my friends or acquaintances bitch and moan about the vaccines and make the doctor spread them out. They often are the moms who always claim their kid is ill. Oh well. Whatevs.

Autism is genetic (#1 cause older parents) not caused by vaccinations but parents have a hard time facing the facts which is you can't always have it all, putting off having a baby is not always a great idea. We've had an outbreak of measles here in New York. Several doctors will not have children as patients who have not been vaccinated I was really shocked when I read that but they say it's the only way to stop the stupidity.

All the CDC needs to do to end this debate is to do a study comparing autism (and other illnesses) in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated poplulation. It's easy enough to do , so why don't they? They are afraid of the results. Not all vaccines are bad, but there are way too many given at a time at too young an age and no, that's right, NO testing on the effects of combining so many. It's not just autism, there's asthma, seizures, learning disabilities etc. The immune systems are being overwhelmed. Autism is not genetic, there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. It is that the tipping point in more and more people's immune systems is being reached and wreaking havoc.

First of all, I'm with whoever said up there that people who look to celebrities for health advice are a sad lot. I'm also thinking about the whole Suzanne Somers "I'm the Queen of Sexy Menopause" deal.

Secondly, I won't even go into my classic rant about immunizations and modern medicine. People need to crack a book and refresh their memories about how many people DROPPED DEAD from the illnesses we can now prevent with vaccines.

I have a theory that autism is the brain scrambling the next evolutionary step. The over heightened senses of extreme focus are overwhelming the brain . I think some Genetic synapse has been activated without the software ( so to speak) connection, to handle the data overload.

@Steamy, I really like your theory. I spend a large part of every school day working one on one with a child living with autism. His brain works in much the way you describe. I know a lot about living and learning with autism, but I know very little about causation.

Fuck these stupid wenches, |I'd like to see their faces if one of their kids got fucking polio or whoo-ping cough. And thanks for not giving a shit about other peoples kids....

This infuriates me to no end. Jenny is looking for some reason for her autistic child other than thats just how it is. Dont give me autism numbers please, they know what to look for now, so of course there would be more cases. 50 years ago, they just locked these kids in the basement

Even if there is a 1 in 100,000? (just using an arbitrary number here) chance of a child having a bad reaction, it's a parent's social responsibility to get it done. No parent likes to see their babies get needles, BUT ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. As long as her child is OK, then to hell with the chances of her child passing along German measles, for example, to a pregnant mother and causing untold damage to her unborn child. It's called not being a selfish rightfighting bitch, and putting your own foolish ideas before public health. Every time I start to like Jenny, I remember what a narcissistic twat she is. No wonder Jim Carrey had a nervous breakdown.

Everything I've read on autism says it's genetic. Everything I've seen points to genetics. Blair has an article on JAMA linking autism to psychopathy. Everything points to genetics. It took a long time for society to admit to FAS and that it is caused by parents drinking. Autism will be no different.

First of all, i find speculating about whether a child is mentally challenged in some way mean. Its none of our business. As for Jennym, the sequence of events that lead to her sons dx of autism supports her thinking. He was normal, had shots, got virus, then became autistic. So for her, thsts how he became autstic. Is it true? I dont know, i really dont, but shes a parent who lovs her child. I dont think mccarthy is trying to deluberately hurt anyone, she belueves ehat she says. As for the unvaccinated suddly spouting measles, they wld hv to have been exposed to the disease. So unvacs kind of protected by vacinated. I honestly dont know what i wld do as a parent, my kids are grown and got all their shots, lol. Perhaps if mccarthy stressed this is what happened TO HER and not cramming it down others throats. Recent studies link autusm to pollution, and boys are more affected than girls. Article didnt give any more info, which is frustrating. Sorry to go on and on!

I don't know, I'm iffy on vaccines but not for reasons related to autism and I sure as hell will always vaccinate my children. The benefits far outweigh any conspiracy theories I might have, I will screw with my own health but I would never mess with my future kiddos. And I sure as hell would never , ever take any advice from Jenny McCarthy of all people.

Damaging a generation of children and no huge outcry for why is to me the biggest calamity. There is more outrage on baseball players using steriods than 1 in 80 kids being brain and body damaged. Just wait, the tsunami of autistic kids becoming autistic adults no longer hidden in the school system is starting, each year there will be thousands more. Maybe when everyone's taxes go up to support these adults, people will wake up and demand answers.

I'm not completely anti-vaccine but I do think we are over vaccinated and subject babies to too many at one time. I also think as a nation that we put too much trust in the CDC, FDA & pharmaceutical companies.

There are actually studies that do link vaccines to autism but they are buried by mainstream media outlets who are beholden the advertising dollars of the mighty pharmaceutical companies. (IMHO)

If interested this is a link to one article but there is a ton of other good information "out there" in general and on the linked site.

A lot a kids don't show symptoms right away and the parents blame the most recent event before diagnosis/symptoms as the "cause" of the autism. Not saying I'm an expert, but I've read a lot of research about it because it's pretty prevalent in my family

The "study" Jenny McCarthy and others claim supported the autism MMR vaccine link, has not only been completely debunked, the author lost his medical license because of his unethical and fraudulent conduct in publishing it. A little known fact about why the author wrote the report: it was requested by a LAWYER who wanted to cash on lawsuits against the pharma companies and the government. Yes, this report was written with a PROFIT motive, nothing else.

The only thing wrong with autism is that people don't understand us. That's it. Jenny doesn't realize that by saying that vaccines are bad because they cause autism, she is making it seem as if autism is something thats bad to have. I love having aspergers. It would be really cool if it turns out that my brain is evolved! Just a theory though for now.

@KelsThat's another thing. Jenny can nip and tuck her own body to oblivion, but she's frustrated that she doesn't have control over her son's so-called illness. The older boy must feel as if there's something terribly wrong with him(self). That's the way kids think.

He was normal, had shots, got virus, then became autistic. So for her, thsts how he became autstic. Is it true? I dont know...

Correlation does not equal causation. Autism doesn't express itself right away. What she probably saw was a coincidence as the expression of whatever condition her son has happened shortly after the first round of vaccinations.

It's really difficult for me to take anything that Natural News website says, because bullshit: NaturalNews.com (formerly Newstarget) is an anti-science conspiracy website founded by Mike "the Health Ranger" Adams. The site promotes almost every sort of medical woo known to human history, though it specializes in vaccine denialism,[1] AIDS/HIV denial,[2] quack cancer medicine[3] and conspiracy theories about modern medicine.[4] Even other quacks think it's a quack site. [source]

There is an outbreak of measles in my area right now, and I am SUPER paranoid because I got the chicken pox just two years ago, after thinking that I was immune from having it as a child (but apparently I only had a really mild case of it which meant I didn't develop enough antibodies). So now I'm convinced I'm going to get the measles. All because some group of parents at ONE religious school (not a slam at all religious just this weird one in particular, sorry don't know what it is, something Christian but not any kind of Christian I'd ever heard of before - I think they made it up) decided not to vaccinate their children, or it was against God's plan or something and then of course now it's spread to the general public and one little girl is in the hospital.

I guess I usually agree with doing what you think is best for your own kids, but NOT when it affects everyone around you and endangers not only their lives but the lives of babies, other children who aren't or couldn't be vaccinated for whatever reason, and immune-compromised people who vaccines don't always work on and who are especially susceptible to the worst outcomes of these contagious diseases.

Getting the chicken pox as an adult was one of the WORST experiences of my life. You see kids get it and they are just itchy and it's annoying, but as an adult, I actually thought my times that I might die or suffer some kind of brain damage from how high my fever was. I was delerious. I could feel the heat radiating from my head from a foot away from it. I didn't even notice the itching because of how sick I was. It was awful. I sincerely hope no one else here ever has to go through that.

Very tangential but.... After I got old enough to make my own decisions, I quit getting seasonal vax. Mom said I would get sick. I never did. Haven't been sick in years. I'm immune to flu, cold, stomach bug, swine flu.... I think we are over vac'd. That said, vaccines should be tested much more rigorously!! There are bad effects in people and those need to be investigated instead of the doctors prescribing a shot to every single individual. Guardasil is an example of one that can have bad medical reactions. Also... Yes the pharma corps pay for news and publicity, just like ppl pay for their pap photos.

One of my big problems with anti-vaxers, in addition to their failure to get vaxed, is this: in their minds, they have decided that these diseases are "no big deal," so they are reckless when they get them. I will illustrate witht he following examples:

- neighbor with 4 kids who do not vax. Family got chickne pox. I was out with my 4 month old son and one of the kids comes running up to 'see the baby' she had scabs and sores all over her face. I yelled to the mom, "what's wrong with her," her reply, "oh she has chicken pox." I just bolted with my son. As I ran, I heard her say, "Oh, I guess it wouldn't be a good idea for x to touch the baby..." WTF?

- Same family: invited postman into house while all were contagious. He had never had chicken pox. He's 63. He got a nasty, painful case of the pox and was out of work for 3 MONTHS!

- Non-vaxing friends had friend over for dinner. They all had a cough, but cooked and fed friend. Friend comes down with nasty cough. Takes three months to diagnose - whooping cough she contracted from non-vaxers, who had it, but failed to warn her and still had her over for dinner. Friend, who is in her sixties, will have asthma for the rest of her life because of this. Her lungs were completely compromised by this.

Part of the anti-vax psychology is that these diseases aren't really a threat to public health. They are. Pretussis, measles, mumps, kill infants and the elderly. They can do serious damage to the immune compromised, they can cause blindness and sterility in the young.

I don't agree that we're over-vaccinated. That vaccine protects more than you. Herd immunity, y'all. The greater the number of people who are vaccinated against a disease, the better protection there is for those who cannot get vaccinated. Check out those percentages--some of them are pretty high to ensure herd immunity.

Me too! I have a 19 week baby boy that I am vaccinating but also on an alternative schedule. He will ultimately get all the CDC recommended vaccines but spread out so he doesn't get more than a couple/time. I am going to delay the MMR until he is a little bit older.

I don't have an issue with delay or not getting a flu vaccine. (though, this year, the flu hit the young very hard and there were a lot of kids who died from it)

I also have mixed feelings about the rotovirus vaccine. I am not sure I would get that one for my son if I had to do it over again.

I just think it's risky to forego vaccines all together -- especially if traveling to foreign countries. An anti-vax church in Texas got hit hard with measles after a missionary trip to the third world. An infant contracted it and was in serious condition. The church quickly reversed its opinion about vaccines.

@Cleo - there was a lawsuit over the anti-anthrax vax, which has not be approved by the FDA. The manufacturer was pretty shady. I would have a problem if a vax like that were mandated for everyone (very doubtful without FDA approval, however, all kinds of bad happens in "emergency" situations)

I was just going to post something along the same topic. People exposed to pesticides, chemicals, etc. a large amount of the foods we eat being stored in plastic. It's no wonder allergies and autism and other health issues are on the rise.

Watching tv makes you stupid, yet everyone does it. Eating fast food will never make you healthy or immune. Living in a large city will poison you slowly, that you have more health, genetic defects than a country person. Perhaps having a extremely privileged view (family in high govt) vacs are bullshit

LOL! I used to feel that way about the seasonal flu vaccines. I caught every flu known to man as a kid, but stopped getting them in my early teens and never had any vaccinations.

Then I had kids in school. A couple of years ago, the two-year old had the flu on Sunday, I had it on Monday, twin A had it on Tuesday, twin B, Princess the Elder and Nephew the Eldest had it on Wednesday. Everyone was healthy(ish) on Thursday. Grandma had it on Friday.

The next year we were all in line for flu shots the first week they were available.

On the other hand diet can be a factor in ADD. It ain't rocket scientist that you keep your ADD kid away from sugar for example.

Will Jenny and Kristin like to pay for the health costs if once eradicated diseases come back and some are creeping back because we have people from third world countries immigrating to North America who didn't have access to those vaccines and now you have the crowd refusing to get their kids vaccinated. Maybe we will have to set up separate schools, one for the non vaccinated, one for the extreme food allergies.

Aspirin can have side effects, it is a risk with any chemical a human ingests. Some people are even allergic to natural substances in the world, a peanut can kill some people. Life is a risk. It's all about cost benefit vs risk analysis.

To have a child die from measles in 2014 is sad.

We had vaccines when I was a kid in the 1960s and I would expect those vaccines have been refined over the decades. How come I don't remember anyone that was "autistic" or anyone acting like that except when I did volunteer work at the blind school but some of these kids has multiple issues and others were just blind.

It is possible that autism has a genetic component and some people just can't deal with that either?

Steampunk, interesting theory but scientists say that human only use 10 per cent of their brain's potential capacity now so you would think the brain especially a younger brain could adapt to increasing stimuli.

Dopamine I believe is the chemical that helps the brain transmit information like a computer and Einstein was found to have 6 times the level of that chemical in his brain than the average person.

Good posts about the fact that many of these diseases are more deadly to adults. Of course eldlerly adults with already comprised immune systems for various reasons goes without saying though the H1N1 flu virus that has been around this year and last year actually packing a wallop on younger patients for some reason.

Very hot topic. I followed an alternative vaccination schedule with my kids, but they are all vaccinated and I believe they are important. I have a problem with mixing too many in one day in case of a reaction. Plus, I know people that have direct link MMR to their autistic kids.

We don't know how we'd react in that situation. Holly Robinson peete is just as vocal, but Jenny takes the most heat.

I'm 29 and my 5 year old daughter has non verbal autism.She can't say a single sentence.No other ASD people in our families that we Are aware of and she was already showing her autism before she got the MMR vax.

I'm not totally anti vaccine , but I too follow an alternative schedule. Also, I have been vaccinated 4 times for measles but never developed immunity and tests results revealed this- so, I could easily get and spread the disease. Kinda scary.

It's extra-terrible that Cavallari won't get her kid vaccinated, when you consider the fact that her husband's job involves constant traveling. Airports, with craploads of people from all around the world, crammed into a metal tube and breathing the same, recycled air. Outdoor stadiums in Winter, in flu season. I'm terrified for this kid.

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Natural News - That site is alarmist and paranoid. The guy made a video series about how Bill Gates is using vaccines to commit genocide in Africa. For every piece of good information, you get 10 piles of bunk.

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That study by Andrew Wakefield about the link between Autism and vaccines. Here's some of the facts. It's way worse than people realize:

- Study was completely retracted and found to be a total fraud by several major players (The Lancet, etc.)

- He lost his license to practice medicine.

- There were only 12 children in his study. Data, including whether they had autism and when symptoms came on, were falsified.

- He invented a new condition, Autistic Enterocolitis, and was going to launch a venture selling kits to diagnose it. "Litigation-driven testing" was the term used. He predicted he could earn over $40M per year from the kits. He had a partner, the father of one of the kids from the study.

- Wakefield was also paid over £400,000 of UK taxpayer money to build a case against the MMR vaccine.

Wakefield lost his license for a bullsh*t reason. He did not invent Autistic Entercolitis, it exists in many of the kids and it's a painful, diarhea causing mess. His study has been replicated numerous times and published by well respected doctors but that gets no press. He never said not to vaccinate, his cardinal sin was saying the mmr together was causing leaky gut in some kids and he recommended separating the shots into individual vaccine...Oh the horror. His crime in the study was not the research, but the fact that he paid some non autistic children at his kid's birthday party to undergo testing so he would have a control group to compare the autistic kids to. Try not listening to headlines all the time. There's huge money in vaccines and so lots of disinformation

Wakefield was paid upward of 750K by a lawyer to "administer" a study that demonstrated a relationship between the MMR vaccine and "regressive autism," ie, actual loss of speech, etc after receiving the vaccine.

Wakefield's relationship with this lawyer began two years prior to the the Lancet report (the study in question) and Wakefield was commissioned and PAID by the lawyer do the report/study - $750. The report was to be used to support personal injury lawsuits for injuries resulting from the MMR vaccine.

Per the contract with the lawyer, Wakefield was going to gain for more money, because he was actually entitled to a percentage of any and all recoveries from the MMR personal injury lawsuits.

http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm

Under such circumstances, it's fascinating that the report found exactly what the lawyer wanted to support his personal injury lawsuits. And, it's compelling that when the report was investigated, it found that the findings had been skewed to find a specific, desired outcome -- that fabricated outcome: a so-called connection between autism and MMR.

This isn't science, it's greed. I hope Mr. (not Dr.) enjoyed that money. (btw, the payment was filtered through a company his wife owned to conceal the relationship between Wakefield and the attorney. Now, if this relationship were on the up and up why go through such machinations to conceal it?)

@ Tina, that 10% figure has been adjusted. Further study ( since that figure was arrived at during the infancy of brain studies) show that we use more than they thought.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-only-use-10-percent-of-brain/

@ Cleodecat ,Since Iraq had a history of biological warfarehttp://mondediplo.com/1998/03/04iraqknThe government did its best to be thorough in its inoculations. Its possible that some of those vaccines were shaky.

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