he spent very little time on the division of israel. My guess is canadian, brits and americans wouldn't like it if the UN gave have the country away.

I agree. I think the video side-steps the way Israel was formed, dividing up land that other people were living in, and taking it by force...and more land being taken by force later in the 6-day war.

I think the video itself borders on a form of hate speech, because it makes extreme negative generalizations about Arabs, Muslims, and people involved in the Palestinian side of the conflict. The video states the conflict can be summed up with "one side wants the other side dead". I've talked to people active in a number of campus organizations to promote Palestinian interests, and I don't know anyone personally who advocates violence--everyone I've come into contact with personally, in my social network, universally renounces violence. The concerns I hear are that people want land given back, land that was taken from people by force.

It's an ugly situation...if you look at that region, you find that most, if not all land, has at some point been taken by force, over and over again throughout history. So there may be no easy solution. But I think that if you don't acknowledge that the modern state of Israel was formed by forcibly evicting people from the land, your narrative is going to be ignoring a very basic truth of the situation._________________Alex Zorach | Teacology | RateTea | Why This Way

I think this conflict is very well described by the video. It's clear language and complete absence of perspective makes it portray an accurate story of the current conflict. In fact, the video does such a great job explaining the complexity of the conflict, it could be shown to toddlers so they can make a well informed and completely unbiased opinion._________________https://github.com/Zubnix/wayland-java-bindingshttps://github.com/Zubnix/westmalle

he spent very little time on the division of israel. My guess is canadian, brits and americans wouldn't like it if the UN gave have the country away.

I agree. I think the video side-steps the way Israel was formed, dividing up land that other people were living in, and taking it by force...and more land being taken by force later in the 6-day war.

I think the video itself borders on a form of hate speech, because it makes extreme negative generalizations about Arabs, Muslims, and people involved in the Palestinian side of the conflict. The video states the conflict can be summed up with "one side wants the other side dead". I've talked to people active in a number of campus organizations to promote Palestinian interests, and I don't know anyone personally who advocates violence--everyone I've come into contact with personally, in my social network, universally renounces violence. The concerns I hear are that people want land given back, land that was taken from people by force.

It's an ugly situation...if you look at that region, you find that most, if not all land, has at some point been taken by force, over and over again throughout history. So there may be no easy solution. But I think that if you don't acknowledge that the modern state of Israel was formed by forcibly evicting people from the land, your narrative is going to be ignoring a very basic truth of the situation.

Bullshit. Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and many Muslim States, including Iran, have publicly stated they do not recognize Israel, and their intent is the destruction of the country.

How can one have hate speech when it concerns muzzies? They are ignorant, superstitious xenophobes that are a waste of space for the rest of us._________________Irony is asking government to fix the problems it caused

I think the video side-steps the way Israel was formed, dividing up land that other people were living in, and taking it by force...and more land being taken by force later in the 6-day war.

Historically speaking, it wasn't their land. So how long before Israel's ownership becomes the defacto of being? By some measures, 19 years is a generation, so it has been almost 3.5 generations since it was created. And Palestinians have demonstrated time and again that they aren't interested in peace. And that ignores other regional genocidal evils._________________lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.

Guys you ought to know better than to attempt to sound sincere when engaging into an argument along the lines of "who was there first".
Just accept the fact that you live in US which is sometimes referred to as "Jewmerica", and your naturally more biased (or attuned if you wanna put it that way) to cheer for Israel. I mean I find Islam fucked up and horrifying as well, and I grew up surrounded by it and have friends and some family there. It's OK.
You can say "because we can" but you cannot keep your halo. Nobody is perfect._________________“If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him”

Except Palestinians. Or at least those who live in Neverland and ignore every atrocity committed by the terrorists see it that way._________________lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.

Guys you ought to know better than to attempt to sound sincere when engaging into an argument along the lines of "who was there first".
Just accept the fact that you live in US which is sometimes referred to as "Jewmerica", and your naturally more biased (or attuned if you wanna put it that way) to cheer for Israel. I mean I find Islam fucked up and horrifying as well, and I grew up surrounded by it and have friends and some family there. It's OK.
You can say "because we can" but you cannot keep your halo. Nobody is perfect.

The Jews were there long before the Arabs. That's just simple historical fact. But, you know who was there before the Jews? The Canaanites. And, you know who was there first? The Ethiopians, about 160,000 years ago. So we should give all of the Levant to Ethiopia. And before that, there were Neanderthals. And before that, there were Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus and Homos with Erections.

I agree. I think the video side-steps the way Israel was formed, dividing up land that other people were living in, and taking it by force...[/url].

Yeah, the British and French really made a fine mess of dividing up the Ottoman empire after World War I. A damn fine mess, indeed.

The British should get special recognition for their spectacular mismanagement of the Palestinian Mandate, which did a fantastic job setting the stage for the current conflict. They made promises for selfish gains to both the Arabs and Jews living in the area after World War I about how the land would be divided up. Then they hightailed it out of the area after World War II without really fulfilling any of the conflicting promises. It was really a masterful text-book case for anyone studying how to start a conflict between two ethnic groups.

European and Russian xenophobia and racism reaching a fever pitch in the 19th and 20th century with their bouts of pogroms and outright genocide were also an excellent catalyst to flame the Zionist movement into action. It's funny how nobody really gave a shit when those Jewish ex-pats came flooding down from Eastern Europe buying up what a lot of Arabs in the area thought of as useless land in the then Ottoman ruled Nablus Sanjak and surrounding areas._________________

I agree. I think the video side-steps the way Israel was formed, dividing up land that other people were living in, and taking it by force...[/url].

Yeah, the British and French really made a fine mess of dividing up the Ottoman empire after World War I. A damn fine mess, indeed.

The British should get special recognition for their spectacular mismanagement of the Palestinian Mandate, which did a fantastic job setting the stage for the current conflict. They made promises for selfish gains to both the Arabs and Jews living in the area after World War I about how the land would be divided up. Then they hightailed it out of the area after World War II without really fulfilling any of the conflicting promises. It was really a masterful text-book case for anyone studying how to start a conflict between two ethnic groups.

European and Russian xenophobia and racism reaching a fever pitch in the 19th and 20th century with their bouts of pogroms and outright genocide were also an excellent catalyst to flame the Zionist movement into action. It's funny how nobody really gave a shit when those Jewish ex-pats came flooding down from Eastern Europe buying up what a lot of Arabs in the area thought of as useless land in the then Ottoman ruled Nablus Sanjak and surrounding areas.

don't forget the terrorist attacks by the jews on the british forces to force the creation of Israel (quite often forgotten by all, especially Israelis. The irony a nation created out of terrorism is themselves plagued by it is not lost on me ).

On the topic of the Ottoman empire... imagine if it wasn't broken up. All that oil in one empires control... WW2 would have been decided earlier depending on the side that allied with - imagine if it was Germany? Hindsight and coulda woulda shoulda is lovely_________________the table is made from wood. forget what you learnt, the table is made from carbon. forget what you learnt, the table is made from protons. forget what you learnt, the table is made from quarks. forget what you learnt, the table is good for shagging on

On the topic of the Ottoman empire... imagine if it wasn't broken up. All that oil in one empires control... WW2 would have been decided earlier depending on the side that allied with - imagine if it was Germany? Hindsight and coulda woulda shoulda is lovely