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PADA: Some people think this program is not very bona fide. Maybe, but we never see any of the ISKCON leaders making any similar programs around here, ever? Nor do we see them making harinama samkirtana programs and etc., almost ever. If it were not for these types of people, we would not have hardly anything going on around here in San Francisco area in terms of public out-reach "kirtana," ok almost anywhere in the Bay Area. Anywhere. This program is what the ISKCON sannyasas are supposed to be doing, making public kirtana programs, but we find people like Hrdayananda living in an apartment in Los Angeles where he does what, watches soap operas and football on TV like Satsvarupa has been doing, or what? This is the problem, when there is nothing, something stands out because, something has more impact than nothing. At least these people are not sitting around watching football on TV all day long. And simply thanks to God for our nice ritvik temple in Sunnyvale (South Bay), at least there is somewhere that people can get some regular kirtana programs. ys pd

Tuesday, July 30, 2013

Has the time finally come to promote his program? -- His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta swami Srila Prabhupada.

The Time Has ComeROCANA DAS: The importance of following in the footsteps of the previous Acaryas is an instruction received often by readers of our Vaisnava sastra. At first this decree sounds so simple and easy. In reality, nothing is more difficult for the fallen conditioned soul. The relatively short history of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON has demonstrated that the challenge of faithfully following the Founder-Acarya's mood and message may seem nearly impossible.

[PADA: Right, the Prabhupadanugas started a nice home program in Vancouver where Rocana lives. These nice Prabhupadanugas have regular programs of: -- bhajan, kirtan; preaching to guests; opulent prasadam; deity worship and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Rocana has never started any program anywhere, ever that we know of. Instead, Rocana has been preaching since 1977 that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous, post samadhi, and post mortem person, and basically no one cares what else he has to say since this is very offensive in itself.]

RD: The society established by His Divine Grace does not in the least resemble what he so eloquently envisioned and instructed in his vast writings and audio recordings. Myself and many other followers have expressed, in many ways and words, our grave concern over the wayward direction the bewildered leaders of ISKCON have taken the Hare Krsna Movement.

[PADA: OK the bewildered leaders are saying Srila Prabhupada is posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem, and Rocana is their sock puppet, he says what they say.]

RD: Over many years, we have attempted to provide the 'Fifth Estate' through the Internet medium of the Sampradaya Sun, in hopes of halting ISKCON's decline towards religiosity. Although there have been some rewarding moments and successes in that effort, by and large the slide continues.

[PADA: The Prabhupadanugas are at least making some progress because we have some form of developing "fifth estate" program, because we have some idea of what has to be preached to implement the orders of Srila Prabhupada.]

RD: The time has come for a more progressive, positive approach based on the realization that most of the aged, entrenched leaders of the GBC/ISKCON are far beyond the point of no return. It is time to start anew. We have learned the lessons taught us by history and now we have an opportunity to apply them.

[PADA: That is what we have been doing since 1977, making new people understand they have to worship Srila Prabhupada, and not focus only on the rotten upper crust managers.]

RD: Before joining together and marching forward, we require a clear direction and a plan. With this in mind, we have written a draft Constitution for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is. Srila Prabhupada asked on a number of occasions during his ISKCON lila for the disciples to compose a Constitution, but none was forthcoming. The present day GBC/ISKCON leaders have also failed thus far to produce this fundamentally important document. To encapsulate the very essence of sadhana and siddhanta as presented by His Divine Grace is daunting, but also very simple and sublime. It is the spreading of Krsna Consciousness to every town and village that represents the greater challenge.

[PADA: The siddhanta of Rocana and the siddhanta of the GBC are identical, we need a living guru, we need to insult the acharyas by calling them post mortem, where is there any difference between what Rocana says and what the bogus GBC gurus are saying?]

RD: Our topmost Sampradaya Acaryas have concluded that utilization of a formal Society model is the best vehicle to bring about the necessary organization and cooperation required to achieve this task. We, the servants of these Acaryas have been assigned the duty to carry forward this Divine Order, originating with Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. In the not too distant past, these spiritually surcharged groups in our Sampradaya have had at their center the manifest presence of a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavata, shaktyavesa-avatara.

[PADA: OK well first of all, you need a group. Instead you are promoting Mt. Moab messiah Kailash, king of the desert; Or Dusyanta who says -- he is for the GBC and their living guru idea -- except he will never take any of them as his own guru; Or people like Vraja Vilasa das -- whom no one has ever even heard of, and he has no group either, so you need to find a group. Of course, lately you have been loading up your Sampradaya Sun site with Mayesvara's writings. OK he is a nice guy, and he is friendly towards us, but he advertises for the GBC's gurus, Gaudiya Matha's gurus, and who knows what else. His program is not going to attract Prabhupadanugas. Ever. OK, at least he has a teeny program in Ojai at his house, but to be honest, its just not on the world wide map of events. Neither is Ojai a known place for that matter, its just not the place to launch a world wide movement. Never mind Rocana's other hero Kailash is in the middle of absolutely nowhere in Moab Utah, which no one even heard of before, ever. OK its well known to a lot of rattlesnakes, poison spiders, lizards, tumbleweeds, and maybe a lot of scorpions, thats the main population there. Mayavara's or Kailash's program do not constitute a group, nor are either loyal to any particular group. Mayesvara is for hodge podge basically, because he is favored by folks like the Sridhara Maharaja followers, and he is sometimes with the mainstream ISKCON guru folks: http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9718. And we hate to have to say this to you Rocana, but most people are not interested AT ALL in Sridhara Maharaja's minions, or the mainstream GBC guru's process anymore, most folks are done with that, finished, its over and out for most folks. You are just slower than a pack of turtles to be gradually coming to understand that finally.] RD: Both Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupadas have ordered their followers to continue the mission after they entered into maha-samadhi. Our Srila Prabhupada applied the lessons learned from the tragic failure of His beloved Spiritual Master's Gaudiya Matha.

[PADA: And Mayesvara promotes Gaudiya Matha folks, and their ideas like "you need a living guru." And Rocana advertises for these folks. Here Rocana says, this is the failed process? Why does he advertise for that process then?]

RD: Now, many of us have concluded that the same corrosive elements, so abundant in Kali Yuga, have brought us to the point where it requires that we start afresh with ISKCON As It Is.

[PADA: Except you never advertise for "ISKCON as it is," rather you advertise for these isolated out of the way odd ball projects like Kailash, Dusyanta, Vraja Vilasa, Mayevara etc., projects that are all basically not having much impact, and which have dubious siddhanta views.]

RD: The great Acharya Srila Prabhupada has left us with a clear blueprint for bringing about success, but let us not be fooled into thinking it will be easy. The necessary ingredient is to individually surrender to selflessly serving Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu by assuming an appropriate duty within the context of a society/army. The great General, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Thakura will empower us all and direct and protect all the surrendered souls. Caitya Guru is within us all, and His desires are identical to all the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Acaryas, and for us, most specifically HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Srila Prabhupada.With this spirit, let us create a working Constitution so that we can present to all sincere devotees our collective purpose, aims and objectives. Let it contain the core themes of our beliefs and the constitutional principles His Divine Grace has set forth. Building upon the draft Constitution that is now ready for review and discussion, let us refine and complete it.A ratified Constitution will help us in future to cooperate by curbing the evil symptoms of quarrel and hypocrisy. We all require the quality of humility in order to achieve the highest levels of unalloyed Bhakti. I am thus stating, with straw in teeth, that the time has come for the establishment of a blissful Krishna Conscious Society -- one that achieves great success by following the instructions of our divine preceptor and Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Working together in his mood, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is will attract the causeless mercy of Lord Nityananda upon all participants, for they will be opening the floodgates of Love for Lord Sri Krsna.[PADA: OK well the Prabhupadanuga society is well under way. The question is, will you participate in it? Or will you continue to advertise for your Moab desert messiah Kailash; or Dusyanta who says he has to have a living guru, but he does not want any; Or Vraja Vilasa who has no program whatsoever that we can identify; Or Mayesvara, who is with various "guru" programs, but not the Prabhupadanuga guru program? What are you going to do Rocana? I think you are right however, you are running out of rabbits to pull out of your magic trick hat. ys pd] [PADA Update: Yes prabhu, Rocana das does not seem to comprehend that his support of the GBC gurus in the early 1980s is what caused all the subsequent banning, beating, molesting and assassinating program to take root. And he has supported the GBC gurus and their "living guru ideology" root idea ever since, even up to today. And so far, he has not accounted for all the malefic results of his support for that regime and its root ideas. You are right prabhu, Rocana and his ilk need to account for their role in the support of the Satanic-padas -- before they can make any real progress, agreed. Rocana is mentioned in this article below: ys pd] http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/srila-prabhupada-jesus-judas-pontius.html

Thanks prabhu, Well yes Kirtanananda had a prominent post, but all of us senior devotees knew he had some problems in the past, that he wanted the devotees to stop wearing vaishnava clothes and wear suits, that he stole the Gita manuscript and said he was the author, that he had blooped to go back to his old NYC bars, and so on. So it was up to all of us seniors to make sure he was not declared as the acharya, instead most of the seniors went along with saying he is an acharya and they harassed me for protesting.

So my God brothers or the church elders also have to reign in a priest who thinks he has become Jesus, they didn't. Instead the church elders supported the deviation and they harassed me. Kirtanananda's program was not the most important, very few people went there and was considered as somewhat a renegade.

As for Narayan Maharaja, he supported the idea that the 11 GBC are gurus. So he and his successors have no clear ideas. I have made some history videos about all this on: http://youtube.com/pada1008. Also I have been discussing in some recent articles how my God brothers supported the bogus gurus and harassed me on my blog: http://Krishna1008.blogspot.com. Some of my God brothers are still harassing me for breaking up their Kirtanananda program, if you can believe that. Hope this helps, but let me know if there are any further inquiries, ys pd

PADA: There are a group of Krishna devotees -- especially within the GBC's guru's program, Gaudiya Matha's program, and similar others, who are often complaining that "PADA is trying to make Srila Prabhupada into the next Jesus." Rocana would certainly be in this group, since he says we are "The Church of Ritviks," because we are trying to implement Srila Prabhupada's worship to continue on as the exclusive worship for his society.

And then we have the Bhakti Vikas swami folks saying we are "Church-ianity" -- and so on and so forth. We find it somewhat amazing that we are being criticized by our own alleged God brothers for claiming that our guru is shakti-avesa (empowered by Krishna), just like Jesus is. Srila Prabhupada says Jesus is shati-avesa and "me and Jesus are brothers." This of course begs the question of "unqualified people trying to absorb sins like Jesus," which has been another huge disaster zone in ISKCON where many of their alleged "sin absorbing Jesus" fell down into spectacular debauched failures. We find no actual reason to believe Srila Prabhupada is not on the level of Jesus. Then again, Srila Prabhupada taught us much more advanced principles than Jesus did, of course Jesus was dealing with very unsophisticated people so there was a limit to what he could preach. Therefore, this issue is itself a problem, since there are people who think our entire effort is flawed because it "over emphasizes" Srila Prahbupada. As Tripurari swami once said, ISKCON is suffering from, of all things, over emphasis on Srila Prabhupada. In other words, there is a sharp resistance to our idea that Srila Prabhupada is another "pure devotee from heaven" like Jesus is.Unfortunately, a lot of these people who are "not in favor of too much emphasis of Srila Prabhupada" have also not been too helpful in assisting us in rooting out the troubles in ISKCON either, including all sorts of criminality, because they either joined along with the the main group of hi-jackers of ISKCON, or they acquiesced with those who are saying "we do not need so much emphasis on Srila Prabhupada." So there has been a sort of conspiracy of silence, or omission, or worse the crime of support or commission of these false post-1977 gurus, to suppress our efforts to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. And in the process, the criminal enterprise thus became enabled, empowered and in fact glorified as messiahs. The PADA view is that Srila Prabhupada is the actual embodiment of ISKCON, just as the church of Jesus calls itself "the body of Jesus." Therefore, when Srila Prabhupada is re-established as the actual guru / acharya / messiah / of ISKCON, then ISKCON will become a pure vehicle for spreading Krishna consciousness. What has happened to ISKCON however, is somewhat related to what happened to Jesus. Jesus was betrayed by his top disciple Judas, and so he was crucified. PADA honestly believes that Srila Prabhupada was complaining he was being poisoned because, he was also betrayed by some of his top disciples.

Judas and Jesus

This creates a big problem. Suppose the Church of Jesus is hi-jacked by the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers section, then can we still say "this is the Church of Jesus"? So our biggest problem all along is that people are saying "PADA is attacking ISKCON." OK, wait a minute, if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the people who made Srila Prabhupada complain he is being poisoned, ... is this still ISKCON? Therefore we regularly get complaints from some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, but if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the Judas and Pontius Pilate's team, how are we then "criticizing Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? Its no longer "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? And to say or imply that this criminally hi-jacked institution is "Srila Prabhupada's golden body" etc. is what has caused a lot of the criminality to take over in the first place, and for the deviants to continue to stay in control ever since. So this is a good parallel idea, Jesus was betrayed -- and if we assume that the betrayers should be considered as his guru successors, this will cause all kinds of chaos and mis-understandings. In sum, if the Church of Jesus would instead worship the "Church of Judas" -- mistakenly thinking this is the Church of Jesus, then it would become dysfunctional, just as ISKCON has become.

When us and Sulochana first tried to get the mass of devotees interested in combating these bogus gurus, and "take ISKCON back" to worship Srila Prabhupada, almost none of the mass of devotees wanted to help us because they considered were were "attacking Srila Prabhupada's mission." OK, and that means they could not understand that the mission is no longer his mission, it has been hi-jacked. Nor would Srila Prabhupada have supported all the bogus gurus, drug dealing, embezzling, banning, beating, molesting, murders and many other crimes that have been going on. Its not his mission, plain and simple. In other words, the mass of devotees began to confuse Jesus with Judas, and this is still the main problem. To say that the post-1977 criminal enterprise is "Srila Prabhupada's enterprise," is how the ex-gurukulis for example came to think that Srila Prabhupada wanted a criminal operation going on in his name. He did not. Of course now the Prahlad group is blaming us for the ex-gurukulis coming to think Srila Prabhupada wanted all these crimes in his mission. No, we opposed all these hi-jackers from practically day one. So these people want to blame us for the problems they themselves created. The gurukulis became confused because people like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad were promoting the worship of Satan as if it were the worship of Jesus. "I cannot tell a lie, he did it." So if we understand that the movement has become a hi-jacked criminal enterprise, then what do we need next? We need more and more whistle blowers who will expose the crimes and thus weed out the criminal element. That is what us and Sulochana were doing, but unfortunately a whistle blower in ISKCON is often not treated too well, and this discourages more people from coming forward.All we have to do is look at how some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. keep saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, so hardly no one else wants to step up to the plate to get harassed like this. Thus, because not many people want to be publicly thrashed like this, this tends to perpetuate the Judas empire / criminal enterprise / because the whistle blowers are always being attacked like this. And of course, by saying someone is "destroying ISKCON," this is also how people can get beaten and killed. There is a trend to forget that ISKCON has been hi-jacked, its no longer the real ISKCON, therefore actual ISKCON is not being attacked by us. Rather the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers program is being attacked, not the actual Church of Jesus.

Church of Pontius Pilate?

Now these folks all along since -- say 1980 -- and more lately guys like Prahlad, Bhakta das, Janardan etc. are saying that PADA "has made ISKCON look bad." That is like like saying we have made the empire state building look tall? We did not create the sordid and criminal events in the hi-jacked ISKCON, rather the Judas sabha has created all this, we simply pointed out their crimes. And now some of these same folks (like Janardan etc.) are saying Sulochan and our efforts are bad because we gave "Srila Prabhupada's movement" a bad name. What! Janardan types think we are the bad guys, because we got rid of Kirtanananda's worship, and we thus ruined one of the molester messiah's programs, and we thus saved hundreds -- more likely thousands -- of more children from being victimized, and this is harmful to ISKCON? Does this mean Janardan wanted the homosexual molester's worship program, and resultant child molesting, to continue in his idea of "pure ISKCON"? Or what? This is amazing, getting rid of the worship of criminals, homosexuals, pedophiles, deviants, orchestrators of murders etc. is "ruining the good name of ISKCON." What kind of ISKCON do these people want?

No, we saved ISKCON from having these abominations continue in its name. What has ruined ISKCON is all these goody two shoes compromisers who are not standing up and opposing the Judas sabha like we have done all along. OK, in any event, if theDevil is in control of the Church, then we are no longer giving Srila Prabhupada's movement a bad name, since its no longer his movement? Whose movement is it if Judas and Pontius Pilate are in charge? And this means, when these people attack us, they have enabled the Judas sabha to stay in power, and that is what they have done all along in fact. That means the GBC guru program / Gaudiya Matha / Sanat / Mukunda / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta / Swarupa Hebel program is helping the molester hi-jacking program by attacking the dissenters to the Judas take over program (ok some credit to the Gaudiya Matha folks, some of them are joining with us on a few of these issues). So, if we are going to clear Srila Prabhupada's name at this point, we need to make people understand that his movement has been hi-jacked from him. And that the hi-jackers turned his mission into a criminal operation. To say that our protesting the molester messiah hijackers is "attacking ISKCON" is how these compromised people enabled and empowered the hi-jackers all along since 1978. And now these people are still attacking us, because they are still enablers of these criminal hi-jackers. They essentially want to see Judas in power and not us Prabhupadanugas. Later, when the victimized children were in all kinds trouble, including suicides, a lawsuit was made to expose that there is a molesting problem going on. Apparently, the lawsuit immediately got 200 children pulled out of the schools by their parents (those children were in danger of being molested). And the lawsuit stopped thousands of other children from ever being placed into those schools, ever. Now how did you guess, some of the GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc folks all complained that our program is wrong because -- "this makes Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON look bad"? In sum, they wanted more thousands of children to enter their "wood chipper for children machine," and have even more children get turned into broken up bits and pieces, and for us to do nothing to stop this deviant process. And now that we practically stopped thousands of more victims from entering their wood chippers for children program, they are angry that we did that. Apparently, the children sacrifices to Satan program should not be stopped, they think that is "a great offense." And they still say that to us even today, your stopping the "child sacrifices to Satan" program is bogus. OK, that means they are under the influence of the Judas / Pontius Pilate / Satan worship sector. No one else thinks our idea of stopping thousands of more children enter the molester messiah's concentration camps was a bad idea, just this little clique of bogus guru sympathizers with Judas.

No one should stop this program!

One of the ex-students told us this school program was "Auschwitz" for children. Thus, its amazing to us that some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / etc wanted this program to continue because that is what they basically said, do not sue the hijackers for the child molesting, do not expose these problems because "you are making ISKCON look bad." Nope, your folks acquiescing and allowing all these child sacrificing programs to continue is what is making ISKCON look bad, and your harassing anyone who takes it down is what makes ISKCON look even more bad. So anyone who does not want these types of severe deviations to be stopped is -- under the control of the Judas sabha. Yep, many experts on psychology, police, FBI, media, they all agree with us, people thwarting our attempts to contain these crimes, including crimes against children, are under severe demoniac influences, ok they are in the Judas / Satan / Jesus betrayal sabha. How did you guess, its is not us, it is these compromisers who are direct or de facto saying that the hijackers mass molesting program is "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"! That means they are the ones who confused the gurukulis into thinking all this is "what Srila Prabhupada wanted." That means they are the ones who confused the public into thinking this is Srila Prabhupada's program.

Now another interesting thing is that the IRM / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta program is also saying we are "making it look like" Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned. How can we make Srila Prabhupada "look like" he is saying, ... anything? Either he said that or he did not? He said he is being given poison. And now these people are quoting the IRM, who also wanted us to stop us when we said we have to save thousands of more children from being molested, and yep -- the IRM also said -- no expose of the poison case, all of this to "save the name of ISKCON." Covering up for children molestation and poisoning of the guru saves nothing and no one, ok -- except it saves the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers. Thats all it saves. And it has saved them. And here is the perhaps real issue: Why are these people like Janardan now defending the people who -- apparently -- poisoned our guru Srila Prabhupada, by saying this should not have been exposed? Does that not make them their hand maidens as well? In any case, we think Jesus was crucified due to betrayal of a Judas sector, and Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, in that sense he also was crucified, also because he had a Judas sector. Anyone who tries to stop us from exposing all this is with the Judas sector, that's all there is to it. Srila Prabhupada said one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he was crucified for his preaching, we think eventually Srila Prabhupada will become famous for the same reason. In fact, we know he will. Jaya haribol! ys pd

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UPDATE: 7/30/13 : Dear prabhu, Yes, on their web site the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Bhakta das team attacks us profusely for our program of cutting off the supply line of children going to the ISKCON Auschwitz / molestation program. We saved thousands of more children from going into that mess, and they are upset. Yep, that is exactly what happened here. And yes, the main "other party" that is upset with us doing that is -- the GBC's molester messiahs program folks. Yep, that means they are ditto heads.

Sorry, most people think our plan of cutting off the pipeline of victims was -- required. Good question, why would they object to having the pipeline of thousands of more victims shut off? Yes, you have heard right, they are upset that we saved thousands of more children from going into that program. Does that mean they are advocates for the molesting and victimizing program? What else can we conclude? ys pd

Sunday, July 28, 2013

PART OF LECTURE: ... "Vaisnava aparadha is a great offense. You know Ambarisa Maharaja. He was a devotee, and he Durvasa, he was very proud of his yogic power, and he committed offense at the feet of Ambarisa Maharaja, and he was punished by Krsna by sending the sudarsana-cakra. And he wanted help from so many, Brahma, Visnu. He could go directly to the Visnuloka, but he was not pardoned.

He had to come to Vaisnava, Ambarisa Maharaja, fall down at his lotus feet. And he, of course, Vaisnava, immediately excused him. So Vaisnava aparadha is great offense, hati-mata. So we should be very careful about Vaisnava aparadha. We should not Arcye visnu sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnava-jati-buddhih.

The vaisnava-jati-buddhih is also another offense, great offense. Similarly, to think of guru as ordinary human being, that is also offense. To think of Deity as made of metal, stone, that is These are offenses. Sa naraki. So we should be very careful about the regulative principles and follow the footprints of Vaisnava. Mahajano yena sa gatah. Don't think that Prahlada Maharaja is ordinary boy. We should learn from Prahlada Maharaja how to advance in devotional service.

[PADA NOTE: This has been the whole problem since 1977, the leaders of ISKCON have been saying that gurus are even worse than the ordinary man, because -- gurus fall down into illicit sex, drugs, criminal actions and so on. In other words, the leaders of ISKCON are not advanced enough to promote the worship of ordinary men, instead they find very degraded people to become their gurus. Notice the warning here -- "Sa Naraki." -- "Anyone who says gurus are ordinary men, are residents of Narakah, or hell." No wonder the GBC gurus do not like PADA, we have reminded them of this warning since 1977, gurusuh narah matih -- narakah sah, its a severe offense to say gurus are ordinary and fallen, what to speak of debauchees -- as the GBC gurus seem to be falling into on a regular basis. ys pd]

Hare Krsna devotees! Just got some very encouraging new from Korea. We have got a small programs stated in Korea .There are about 10 Prabhupadanugas in Korea. 2-3 are Korean and the rest are from Russia. The most encouraging new is even the ISKCON devotees in Korea are ow demanding Srila Prabhupada's Original books. We have sent the a few hundred original English Gitas to Korea and within few days all were distributed. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !!!!

Saturday, July 27, 2013

In Mississippi we had Bahia grass pastures that originated in Argentina. In North Carolina we had fescue grass pastures that was high protein, and even grew in the milder winters (deep blue-green tufts sticking out of the snow). In Hawaii there was Guinea grass (from Africa), and in Panama we planted bracharia decumbens (from Africa), commonly called signal grass. But when I visited Fiji in 2002 and trekked through hundreds of acres of koronivia pasture (bracharia humidicola) while examining a large property not far from today’s New Jayapur farm, I thought I had found the ultimate pasture grass. It was three feet high, a thick and rich forest green sea of vertical spiked blades, quite difficult to walk through. The ground could not be seen anywhere through the lower mat of layered grass stems, and the breeze caused the field to undulate in a slow-motion shiver- what a sight.

With the excavator busy clearing the beach field (triangular in shape, between the river, the beach, and the wet rice field) last year, I seriously researched the best pasture grasses for Fiji. Koronivia was a top choice- it grows even on infertile and barren, eroded soil, but if left ungrazed it can become less palatable. The signal grass was also common in Fiji, but does not like wet soils, and would be very good for our hillside pastures. Rajnesh from Agriculture in Suva sent us five sacks of rooted mulatto pasture plants, and we installed a small test nursery site next to the river and boat dock. Later I decided not to transplant it into pastures as it appeared thin, stemmy, and tended to fall over on itself.

Setaria grass (S. sphacelata) was recommended by Sarawan Hari from the local Agriculture station. Out here in the bush country (loosely defined as anywhere past an hour’s drive from town…) setaria was known as batiki grass, or blue grass due to its slight bluish tint. We engaged locals digging it up from behind the proximate Naviavia village, buying it for $1.25 a sackful, twenty sacks per pickup load. With about 500 sacks we seeded clumps of setaria into the 15 acre beach field. Gradually the grass filled in the gaps and became the most wonderful and luscious pasture of all I had ever seen. Definitely, in my view, setaria is the best tropical pasture. From above on the hill, looking down from the dharmashalla veranda at the new beach pasture filled with tall coconut trees, the setaria was truly beautiful- a clean, bunchy, thick sea of soft thin-bladed , bright-green grasses that would be the delight of any grazing animal. It is high in nutrients, fast-growing, tolerates wet soil, and of course, grows year-round.

Of course, variety will be the spice of life for our future milk cows, so we have established a mixture of setaria, signal, and koronivia pastures for rotational grazing. But I should confess an error made before settling on these three top pasture grasses- at first, on bad advice, we planted cuttings of para grass volunteering along the river. Fortunately, before it spread too much, I learned of its seriously inferior qualities and then had it all meticulously dug up and burned. Once established, it is almost impossible to get rid of it again. That was a big step in wrong direction, and it was Krishna’s mercy we could rectify it timely. At present we have three fenced pasture paddocks totaling maybe 25 acres, all ready for the milk cows that are still not here… what’s a farm, or a Vedic village at that, without cows??

I can clearly, as though it was yesterday, remember one day in Chiriqui, Panama (2008) and stumbling into Gour Nitai Prabhu in the supermarket. He always had this amused and thoughtful look about him, and before I could say a word, he raised his finger and exclaimed with wide open eyes in his deep Scottish accent, “It’s all about the cows, prabhu! That’s what we’re missing, prabhu, it’s the cow protection, the cows! We’ve got the holy name, the prasadam, the books, but... where’s the cows?”

THE COWS

Unfortunately we have not been able to find anywhere in Fiji the pure breed quality and A2 type of milk cows to meet our decided upon requirements. There are probably no purebred cows at all here in Fiji, neither any A2 type. Any semi-decent cows are tightly held by a few diaries on the other island, from which the government has banned any movement of cows due to a long-standing brucellosis epidemic. We considered starting with mediocre cows from our own island and then gradually, by artificial insemination, raising their quality step by step over many generations (like adding milk to water). However, this plan entails retiring many lesser quality cows (with average 20 year lifespan) from each generation in large pastures. This idea was rejected quickly.

To start a serious Vedic village project with anything less than first-class cows would be a shame, a gross mismanagement and waste of resources, as “common” mixed-breed cows are much less efficient and productive. As Krishna’s devotees, we accept cows into our care for life, protecting them as our own children (or mothers, actually). So we must choose wisely, otherwise our opportunity to have a pukka cow program will be compromised by lifelong responsibility for second or third class cows.

This is not to say that protection of any and all cows is not worthy. It is just that we now are at a critical, one-time juncture where, by our proper choices, our preaching could be greatly enhanced by clearly demonstrating locally the far superior value of a good milk cow compred to the common beef cow. If a cow is not profoundly more valuable for its milk than its flesh, people will be hard to convince that cows are for milk production, not for eating. Due to the degradation of Kali yuga, cows here (excepting the few dairies on Viti Levu) are very poor as milkers, being mostly of beef breeds. They are seen as meat providers, and our challenge is to demonstrate that quality cows provide the most wonderful of all foods- milk and butter, and then made into yogurt, cheese, curd (panir), milk sweets, whey, buttermilk, ghee, and so on. There is good reason and advantage to begin our dairy program with first-class cows. We hope that in the future, the amazing Vedic village milking cows will become famous throughout the Fiji islands!

After deliberate and considered research, and based on our experience from past farming projects, our choice is the pure Guernsey breed. Jersey and Brown Swiss are also very good breeds, but Guernseys are known for their high quality milk made by consuming 20-30% less feed than larger dairy breeds, and that with no high protein supplements necessary, provided the pastures are good quality. Being of medium size, Guernseys produce high-butterfat, high-protein yellowish milk with a high concentration of beta-carotene. They lack undesirable genetic recessives (surprise defects appearing in future generations) and they adapt very well to tropical climates. They are excellent and efficient grazers, a cow made by Krishna for pasture-based milk production. They have a gentle disposition, calf easily, and have 5% butterfat milk, equal to the best of all breeds. They are almost always A2 type milk producers, another most critical consideration since science has discovered that most western dairy cows have a mutated gene (A1 type cows) so that their otherwise healthy milk actually contributes to heart disease, diabetes, and hypertension. What better cow than a thrifty and healthy one that gives plenty of buttery A2 milk?

Despite the bureaucratic red-tape and high cost, we are opting to try importing Guernseys from New Zealand. Our agents estimate that four top-genetics Guernseys, already bred to the best sires, can be air freighted to Fiji for about US$16,000, including all costs. Although a very steep initial investment, it will give New Jayapur a small herd with sufficient genetic variety to quickly be able to dispense with further artificial insemination. We also would have the best milk cows in Fiji, dairies included (who focus on the problematic, low butterfat Holsteins). Our future labor, expense, and time in cow protection and milk production will thus be most rewarding and powerful preaching as we pioneer a return to the Vedic civilization of simple living by the grace of the land and cow.

Last year we had researched importing cows from Australia, but the costs, biosecurity, and shipping problems proved insurmountable. Relying on Krishna, we are hoping that bringing the Guernseys from New Zealand proves viable. Reader’s donations could help make this a reality … (More soon…)

FULL MOON OVER THE OCEAN

A few days ago, around 7 in the evening and after dark, I came out of the office onto the veranda, and beheld a scene from out of a fantasy dream. The full moon had just arisen over the far edge of the glistening silvery ocean, glowing yellowish and lighting up the early night, with the wispy clouds, forested hills, and coconut trees framing the calm waters stretching out before me. Why would I ever want to live anywhere else? Concrete jungles, air pollution, chaotic noises of modern cities… gone forever. When I rose in the morning, the moon had passed to the other side of the dharmashalla- and at first I thought the outside lights had been left on… but it was the bright moonlight. I looked out into the distance and saw all the moon shadows… and thought about someday walking in the moonlight to Sri Sri Radha Govinda’s temple that we intend to build higher up on this ridge. (Of course, sometimes Krishna’s service may require us to stay in hellish cities, but Prabhupada also encouraged families with children to move to farms.)

VILLAGE COTTAGES

Somehow things are moving along nicely. The excavator has just leveled six more cottage sites, in addition to the first cottage which has its concrete slab completed. A second cottage slab has begun taking shape, and concrete should be flowing there by next week. They are all a short walk from the temple site, and have ocean and river views, facing the prevailing breezes on a hillside above the ricefield. They are smallish but expandable in the future, and they will have concrete walls with wood and metal roof. When the concrete slabs with plumbing are ready, we will bring in an expert blocklayer from town. Finally, our carpenters will do the roof, windows, doors, and fixtures.

We are receiving inquiries from interested parties, and we are confident the village will manifest in the due course of time, in Krishna’s time. Srila Prabhupada wanted these daivi-varnashram Krishna conscious Vedic villages, and he gave us so many instructions how to make them, so we should just try to implement those instructions patiently, and be satisfied with whatever the results may be. We have faith that our formula is perfect: Prabhupada is the diksha guru, Prabhupada has given us all the basic instructions, and if we try to implement them sincerely, that is success in itself. Further, free homes and leased land for qualified devotees in beautiful tropical Fiji, with fertile soil and safe location, with a solid plan and constitution- is practical for transition into an agrarian, simple living devotee village. This is the purpose of our newsletter- to share our ideas, inspirations, realizations, successes and failures with other devotees interested in or actually involved in Prabhupada’s farm vision. We see in recent times that Prabhupadanugas are working in this direction in the Bangalore group, Nelson (New Zealand), Hilo Hawaii, etc. It is the future of the planet.

Yours in Prabhupada’s service,

Nityananda das

New Jayapur, Vanua Levu, Fiji Islands

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Friday, July 26, 2013

* Dr. J Stilson Judah (left of Srila Prabhupada). The PADA editor used to visit him regularly at his home in Rossmoor California. He told me many times, "You are now an official heretic of ISKCON, but you are correct that Srila Prabhupada could not have appointed these 11 fools as his successors. But! Being correct may not protect you however! Now you must BEWARE,anyone who is branded as a heretic in any religion can be a target of violence or assassination." After Sulochana was murdered, Dr. Judah would always tell me when I went out the door, "Watch your back they (the GBC guru program) -- are after you." He understood fully what I was up against.

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* In 1978 I said --Jayatirtha (aka "Srila Tirthapada") and the other 10 "new gurus" were not appointed as gurus by Srila Prabhupada. And most of the other rank and file ISKCON devotees (my God brothers) at the time said -- Puranjana is a crazy man, an offender, and so on, because -- Jayatirtha is a bona fide acharya. And then I was booted out of ISKCON for even asking questions on this topic. Very few devotees backed me up on this issue when I addressed it, almost no one actually.

And this was the pattern all along, most of my God brothers did not come forward to help me deal with all these scandals and problems in ISKCON. And worse, many (ok most) of my God brothers opposed me and said "you are being offensive, you are using bad language" and so on, which of course aided and abetted the criminal enterprise that was overtaking ISKCON. And this policy simply placed my life in danger (by making me look like the lone wolf / crazy / offender / crank) and this helped perpetuate the crimes, all at the same time. Oddly, even after facing being potentially assassinated for the past 35 years, some of my God brothers still want me to "apologize" for using the techniques I have used. My friend (who is a policeman) says, "They want you to apologize that they did not help you, and despite that, you lived. That means they want you to apologize for your even -- being alive." On the other hand, a number of my other God brothers have apologized to me for not helping my campaign to fix ISKCON, and they agree we were correct on these issues. Anyway, at the start of all this, a lot of my God brothers simply said "Puranjan is a crazy man." And so the crimes, the child molesting and so on so forth, all went on because there was no organized opposition. And most of the God brothers thereby SABOTAGED any effort to fix things. All this of course made me have to use more and more vociferous tactics, to try to penetrate the acquiescing "silent majority" of God brothers. So I apologize for using these techniques, however, there were not any other good options in dealing with all this.

Anyway, after I was booted out of ISKCON then later on Jayatirtha was decapitated (beheaded) by a disgruntled disciple for making a huge drug business, having illicit sex with a married disciple and so on. So apparently, I WAS right, this "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada" was not ever a guru. In short, I said there was never any guru appointment made by Srila Prabhupada, and now that concept has been accepted all over the planet by thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands.

* In 1979 I began to argue that since Jayatirtha is supposed to be the jagat guru for the entire universe, why does he only have "the zone" of teeny little England? Sounded completely crazy at the time, but now almost everyone else agrees, a guru has no "geographical zone." Yep, the "zonal guru" idea has been proven to be another fraudulent misconception -- except that he current ISKCON gurus still have "zonal areas" appointed to them every year at Mayapura, thus -- they are the last to figure these things out apparently.

* In 1979 I said the PDI drug bust at the Laguna Beach temple; Kirtanananda's drug mules being arrested; Hansadutta's farm being raided by a SWAT team of Federal Marshals and so on, was starting to create the PUBLIC NEWS MEDIA impression that ISKCON is a criminal organization. And I warned the devotees that unless major action is taken to fix this, and soon, this would only get worse. I was right, the public media impression that there is a criminality problem developing in ISKCON -- did get worse. Almost everyone now agrees with that today.

* In 1980 the Syracuse "federal court case" against ISKCON was in all the newspapers in the USA, saying that ISKCON is "systematically defrauding the public" with various charity scams. I said at the time -- see, I told you that we have to get this criminal scam problem under control --or it will get worse. Most of the devotees simply still said, "Puranjana is an offender to the great majestic messiahs from heaven, the 11 gurus." Almost nothing was being done to control the criminality, and as such -- (just as I had warned) it was getting worse and worse. Yep, exactly as I had predicted it was doing. Nowadays most people finally agree, ok but a lot of them only agreed after kicking and screaming every inch of the way after trying to slow us down over the past 35 years, that ISKCON has been turning into a criminal operation -- and it basically it did become one -- as we said all along was an ongoing problem.

* In 1980 we were told by a few people that one of these gurus was getting "strange massages" from the young boys in his school, and that conditions in some of these schools were very lacking in ordinary care and maintenance. We complained at the time, this may end up with a number of these children eventually saying -- they were mistreated in the schools, and this whole situation also had some very weird sexual overtones. OK, how did you guess, most of the devotees at the time said, "Puranjana is a crazy mad fool, offender" -- and so on. They suppressed our complaints to the maximum, to suppress us to the maximum. Except -- everything that we predicted would happen -- did happen -- and way worse in fact. Today, almost everyone agrees there has been a HUGE problem with the treatment of the children. Especially -- the ex-children themselves.

* In 1984 I moved to Berkeley to preach the idea that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya. How did you guess? Many people said -- this man is crazy, bonkers, an offender, and so on. OK, but we got the temple to take all the GBC's guru photos off the altars, and to offer the bhogha to Srila Prabhupada, and we began a program to worship Srila Prabhupada here. Many of the people we made into Prabhupadanuga devotees way back then still give me high fives when they see us even today. This man is crazy, maybe, but our idea worked, and now the Prabhupadanuga idea that we pioneered here has simply -- expanding now to places like Singapore, China, Russia, Bangalore and so on and so forth. OK, we were apparently not so crazy after all, we were right.

* In 1984 I liberated Srila Prabhupada's "last will" from the temple's safe. People said I was crazy and offensive to photocopy and distribute it, hmmm, seems to be a pattern was developing here?

* In 1984 I began to work with SULOCHANA DAS (aka Steve Bryant) who began to visit regularly with me in Berkeley. We both decided that the mass of devotees would maybe never help us contain these bogus gurus, thus we would need help from the "karmis" -- such as their police, media and courts.

Sulochana thus started to write to the Moundsville police and news media people to try to get them on board with these problems. Again, we were totally correct here. We did need the help from the police, because the GBC guru program orchestrated assassinating Sulochana, and I was (according to the FBI) "next of their hit list." The only reason the GBC guru program did not have me assassinated was that they knew I had the full backing from the Berkeley Police, FBI and the media. Once again we were completely correct, we needed the help of the police and media, and that is the only reason I am alive today to even tell this story. Nowadays some of my critics say I am to blame for all this bad publicity. Ummm, I should have just rolled over got assassinated, and not tried to get any help? No one should have protested the molesting and so on? We should have cheered on the criminal enterprise and facilitated that? Sorry, we did not create any of this publicity, we simply reported what happened, but we did not make any of these crimes happen. I find it odd that the news reporter is to blame for the crimes he reports going on in the city? This is called denial, we needed help, but the people who did not help us now try to blame us for all the problems. Their acquiescing was one of the main problems.

* When we wrote articles for the "Vedic Village Review" in the 1980s, saying people needed to start to worship Srila Prabhupada and not these bogus GBC gurus, how did you guess, people also said "this is crazy and offensive." Except that now, all of the Srila Prabhupada quotes that we used for those 1980s articles are currently being used by the IRM and everyone else to show that Srila Prabhupada should be worshiped as the acharya. Our idea was not so "crazy" after all!

* When I said that I needed to get the audio versions of the 1977 "poison tapes" conversations, and I said that in 1990, people thought that I really had gone completely crazy now. Except, when I did get the tapes in 1997 and published them, this alarmed almost everyone and started a huge issue of "the poison investigation." Crazy? Maybe not, since Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being poisoned, nothing I said matters. Today, there are easily thousands of people who do believe Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned. Crazy or not, its being accepted everywhere.

* When I said the molested children are now committing suicide in the mid-1990s, how did you guess, many people said this is crazy, offensive and so on, and nothing should be done to fix this issue. OK, that really is crazy, to say that allowing children to commit suicides is the right course of action, ... its not. There are still a few holds out trying to tell me that allowing the suicides was the right course, and how did you guess, today everyone thinks they are the crazy people.

* One thing people may or may not know is that since 1984 PADA's editor has been friends with "the police," especially in Berkeley. We started out by discussing the personal attack rhetoric used on us by the GBC guru's people, and showing our police contacts the types of threatening and abusive letters we were getting. The police said, "your life is in danger." The police could see by the rhetoric being used, that there are some very nasty people out there posing as Hare Krishnas.Later on, we started having the same problem with the abusive attack letters online, after the internet got going. Since then we have had the police chase down some of these e-mail threats that we were were getting online. One thing people may not realize is that the letters we get from either the GBC gurus folks, or some of the Gaudiya Matha folks who said they wanted to "come and get me," or some of my many other even recent critics, is that when I show these types of letters of my critics to the police, they cannot distinguish one camp from the other. The police have this all figured out, the way these people write about me, whether from this camp or that camp, is meant to get me killed, that is what they have told me over and over. That is what Dr. Judah also warned me about.As far as the police can see, all of these groups of critics of us are all the same, they are trying to demonize us so they can get us killed, just as Dr. Judah was telling me. And all of these groups know that when people are demonized they can get beaten and even killed around ISKCON circles. So, anyway, the problem for all the GBC gurus and all these critics is, too bad, too late, the cat is officially out of the bag now. I was just on a TV show that will be seen by millions of people saying -- these gurus were not EVER appointed. Guess what? Most people now believe me. Whatever else anyone can say or do now its too little too late, its a done deal, these gurus have been for the most part -- exposed for what they truly are. PADA had to use whatever tools we could for that to happen, but it has happened. So now we need to focus on the next process, getting people to realize what the real orders of Srila Prabhupada are. Anyone who wants to help us in that phase is welcome to do so. ys pd

Bhakti Ananda Goswami II: What do you think about this gender mainstreaming plan for the human society worldwide in compare with Vedic knowledge ?

The authentic Vedic Vaishnava Culture, based on the equanimity and equal-amity of Sri Krishna's Samata Yoga, had nothing to do with mundane sexism. It included, respected and uplifted all people, regardless of their physical 'sex' or gender identity and expression. Even to the time of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the remaining Vaishnava Vedic Culture provided some place for intersex people, which can be seen in the fact some 'Hijra' music and dance performers were 'auspiciously' present to celebrate the birth of Nimai Gaurangadeva Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. I do NOT agree with Amara Dasa of GALVA that the Hijra Class of India was or is primarily made-up of 'homosexuals'.

I have been to India, Nepal and Sri Lanka, and have interviewed various kinds of 'Hindu' 'Hijras' there, and ALL of the people that I interviewed and studied would be scientifically classed as intersex people. Factually while Amara Dasa may be generally correct about the role of 'Third Sex' people in Vedic and 'Hindu' Culture, in my opinion, his own homosexual bias has blinded him to the purely biological, the scientific reality involved.

>And is Prabhupada the only real Diksa guru in Iskcon for you or not ? What is your knowledge about that point in guru tattva because you are a senior Vaisnava therefore you must know much more about this point ?

Is ISKCON Srila Prabhupada's Institution? Is he ISKCON's Founder-Acharya? Then HE is ISKCON's Diksha Guru.

During the Zonal Acharya days I was told that it was Srila Prabhupada's last will and ORDER that I had to accept one of my God brothers as a 'living guru'! Apparently because some of his criminal associates wanted my farm property, for a year they put great pressure on me saying that I would be cut-off from Srila Prabhupada if I did not OBEY SRILA PRABHUPADA AND SUBMIT TO MY ISKCON ZONAL ACHARYA. Still I resisted, but finally relenting I told the 'Acharya' that "I am Srila Prabhupada's man, not yours."

He said that he accepted this but to please Srila Prabhupada I still had to formally take new vows with him. Of course later I learned that their whole plot was to usurp Srila Prabhupada's Authority, and so I completely rejected my relationship with that 'Zonal Acharya', and any further connection to the "ISKCON" that fraudulently created the Zonal Acharya System.

A Vaishnava Acharya is always THE ACHARYA for the lineage or sub-lineage that he has founded. Srila Prabhupada is THE ACHARYA for the "ISKCON" sub-lineage of the Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Line of modern Gaudiya Vaishnavism. No one else can or should ever make this claim or try to assume any status equal to HIM in HIS OWN GAUDIYA VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYA ISKCON SUB-LINEAGE.

If some follower legitimately becomes an 'acharya' in their own right, then it MEANS that they MUST establish their own 'school'. If their teachings do not contradict that of their own Acharya, then their new school or sub-lineage should be accepted as a sub-branch of their own Acharya's Lineage. If their teachings are contradictory then they should NOT be accepted as still-connected-to their own Acharya's lineage or school of thought. If their teachings are acceptable but their behavior is not, they may also be rejected as part of their Acharya's Sampradaya.

In religious history a disciple is either acting as the initiating agent on behalf of his or her own spiritual master, or she or he is acting as a DIKSHA guru and initiating disciples on his or her own behalf. This depends on many things. Most essentially it depends on what the nature IS of the contract of initiation between the guru and disciple? Is the guru vowing to 'take the sins' of the disciple? If so, then the guru must personally make that decision OR must have previously set the conditions for acceptance of a disciple, and for severing the relationship and rejecting a disciple. If the disciple breaks the initiation contract, then the diksha guru is no longer obligated to take any more post-initiation vi-karmic (sinful) reactions for the disciple.

When someone dares to become a sin-taking diksha guru, 'taking sins' on their own, it means that they are willing to suffer the vi-karmic reactions of some disciple(s), rather than allowing their own guru to 'take those sins'. Thus if they are very magnanimous, they may vow, like the Pure Land Buddhists or Vasudeva Raya, to 'take' the vi-karma of all of the sinners of the World! Of course it is ultimately only the Original Spiritual Master, the Second Person of the Godhead, Lord Ananta-Baladeva, Who ultimately "...takes away the sins of the World / Cosmos".

As for the situation in ISKCON, it is not proper for any disciple to take the position of his or her Guru in a holy place established by their Guru and thus belonging to Him. Thus Srila Prabhupada should be the ONLY ACHARYA in HIS ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS. His disciples should not receive ACHARYA VENERATION in any of his ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS.

If any of his disciples want to start their own missions, establish temples etc. then they are certainly free to do so under their own credentials and authority, whatever that may be. BUT, whatever they do ON THEIR OWN should be honestly and properly labeled / identified, and NOT presented as being done under the EXPRESSED authority and permission of Srila Prabhupada. If, though, a disciple is truthfully and humbly continuing an expressedly approved, or ordered, or empowered service to Srila Prabhupada, then that service should continue. This principle is the same for the Books too. Sri Krishna's permissive will allows everyone to be free to do what they can or want-to TO EITHER IMPROVE, OR TO RUIN Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai's Non-Sectarian Hari Nama Sankirtan Movement. The freedom is there, but the reaction will be too.

Honesty and humility dictates that everyone honestly presents their offering to the Lord and to the public. This means that the public should not be cheated. Thus a teacher, a guru or spiritual intercessor, should first of all be honest and humble about what they are offering the public. This means that there should not be any 'bait and switch' where guru(s) USE Srila Prabhupada to attract the public and them give them something other and less than Srila Prabhupada. If a teacher or guru truly attracts and 'makes' their own disciples, based on their own merits, then they should have their own mission. In history this is the usual protocol.

Based on my knowledge of religious history in general and Vaishnava history and Gaudiya history and theology in specific, my conclusion has always been that Srila Prabhupada's established Temples, Rites, Books etc. should have been kept the way that he established them, and that if any of his disciples wanted to establish anything differently, they should have started their own mission. This is what I personally told and wrote to Kirtanananda about his syncretistic changes at New Vrindavan. I was opposed to his New Age Syncretism, and pointed-out the many faults in it to him. Because Radhanath Swami was personally a staunch Vaishnava Traditionalist, I ask him, and NOT Kirtanananda, to 'give me sannyas'.

[PADA: Notice that the two biggest scholars on Rocana's site cannot seem to even agree on some of the most basic points. For starters, we have doubts that Vraja Vilasa dasa is even a real person, he is probably a contrived pen name given to one of Rocana's ghost writers.]

DD: "So, Krsna Himself does not accept an unmanifest Guru, nor Lord Rama, nor Lord Chaitanya. In fact neither did Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, nor Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, etc. Why should we do something contrary to what they did and what they also instruct us to do throughout their teachings? Where do they say to accept an unmanifest Guru? Further Srila Prabhupada mentions in the Srimad Bhagavatam (3.7.39) that such a process of not accepting a physically manifest Guru is not approved at all;"

[PADA: And later in this article Dusyanta admits he has not accepted a living GBC guru. So Dusyanta is already operating on the principle of quoting from Srila Prabhupada, as the ritviks are doing. That means de facto, he is using our principle himself.]DD: The quote provided by Prabhu (SB 3.7.39) does not validate his previous statement above at all, that is his interpretation of what Srila Prabhupada is stating. In his most recent article, the same author agrees with me to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is "unmanifest". In fact, I actually go one step further than that and suggest we accept Srila Prabhupada as Shiksa Guru personally not just His Shiksa, but as our personal Shiksa Guru.

[PADA: OK, so we are ALL (ritviks and Dusyanta) accepting that the books and teachings of Srila Prabhupada are giving (A) The divyam jnanam (di) (B) Which destroys sins (ksha), then we are accepting him as our diksha guru. If there is another source of divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) -- none is ever mentioned by Rocana / Kailash / Vraja Vilasa / Dusyanta etc.]DD: Then in his most recent reply Vraja Vilasa says he agrees with my statement to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is non-manifest to us. So which one is it then Prabhu? Can we accept non-manifest Gurus or not??

[PADA: The books are the current manifestation of Srila Prabhupada, so much so, even Dusyanta is always quoting them.]

DD: As far as I was under it, we are instructed by Srila Prabhupada to accept all the Disciplic Succession Spiritual Masters, especially Srila Rupa Goswami. Are we not called "Rupanugas", followers of Srila Rupa Goswami, and does not that mean that we accept Srila Rupa Goswami as our Shiksa Guru even though He is unmanifest?

[PADA: This was all explained a long time ago by Srila Prabhupada, there are gaps in the parampara system. There is not always a "manifest" guru. Krishna Himself says he has to re-appear over and over since the line is often broken.]

DD: So who is / are our Guru(s)? We can only accept physically manifest / present Gurus because that's what They did and we have to do what They did. Because that's what Vraja Vilasa states.

[PADA: We do not always accept a manifest guru, since there are only 32 are listed for a period of 5,000 years. That means there are gaps in the system where a manifest guru is not present.]

DD: But actually when we look a bit more deeply into this topic, when we find more absolute constants, the truth is we can also accept unmanifest Gurus as well -- perhaps the answer is both Prabhu. Not just physically present ones-- I know I don't accept any physically present Diksa Gurus from ISKCON to date-- but that's because I am fallen.[PADA: OK so you do not accept a GBC guru, you are quoting Srila Prabhupada, that means, you are operating on the same principle as the ritivks. OR really, you are a ritivk but you cannot admit. ys pd]DD: To accept Srila Prabhupada's vani through His Shiksa Guru status after He is no longer with us means we are accepting Him as our unmanifest Spiritual Master, just like we do with all the previous Acharyas in our Disciplic Succession. We accept Them all too, even though They are unmanifest. We associate with Them through transcendental sound vibration, even for the neophytes it's a fact.All glories to Srila Prabhupada , ISKCON Founder-Acharya.