i wouldnt do shoulders at the same time with triceps like someone said because you use your triceps to push for shoulder exercises.So if you train triceps along with shoulders that you'll be overworking the muscle.

I find shoulder days and arm days to be quite long, so if i did them both on the same day i'd be there for around 3 hours. I have a 5 day split and find it works well. Edit: and i do less than you for my arms but more for shoulders.

I find shoulder days and arm days to be quite long, so if i did them both on the same day i'd be there for around 3 hours. I have a 5 day split and find it works well. Edit: and i do less than you for my arms but more for shoulders.

my arms on there own take around 45 mins, if i add shoulders, 1hr 10 mins lol
what do you think of my overall routine ?
ive made great gains in my back and chest , but not in my arms

yes !!
my forearms are rather big aswell, maybe every other week i would do hammer curls instead of dumbell curls
from now on im going to do

biceps & forearms:
preacher curls
barbell curls
hammer curls

triceps stay the same

do you think doing back/chest together is a good idea ?
ive made some brill gains from doing it

That looks good to me there.
You do back and chest in the same day? **** how long does that take?
You could always try doing chest and back on different days if you're unsure which one you'd like better.

That looks good to me there.
You do back and chest in the same day? **** how long does that take?
You could always try doing chest and back on different days if you're unsure which one you'd like better.

and on a friday i do back/chest
but with incline and decline exercises

before this routine i use to do
chest/tri
back/bi
shoulder/legs
was good for when i first started but i got bored of it, and wasnt getting much of a pump, legs and shoulders day took way to long aswell

and on a friday i do back/chest
but with incline and decline exercises

before this routine i use to do
chest/tri
back/bi
shoulder/legs
was good for when i first started but i got bored of it, and wasnt getting much of a pump, legs and shoulders day took way to long aswell

Damn, you wait like 5 seconds in between each set? haha That all looks good to me though.Good luck brah

do ur shoulders first, and add in 2 sets of 20 at the end of ur arm workout.

and try do arms twice a week, if u have to do them the same day as something else it helps to do one thing in the morning and arms at night. splits up the recovery a bit, cause thats where ur arms do there building.

run sprints too, sprints are heaps good. and change something each day doesnt have to be huge, just mix it up and see what pumps good.