When I was a teen in the 1970s, my brother came running into the house,
excited because he had found a four-leaf-clover in our front yard.
I was so jealous! I went out straightaway and began to look as I wanted
one too.
I knew I had very little chance of that happening realistically, but
within an hour, I had found one! I couldn't believe my good fortune.
I didn't keep it very long and I don't remember what happened to it. I
wish I had laminated it and kept it. I'd love to have it now. But I DID
find one once in my lifetime. Must have been my Irish blood.
And to be honest, most of my life has been great and I consider myself a
very lucky person with many blessings.
Wonder if that little four-leaf-clover so long ago began the streak? :D
Bonz
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:39 AM
To: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [FER-GOLD] More than Lucky
A mutation if having more than threes leaves, the four leaf clover is
universally recognized as symbol of luck and the odds of finding one are
10,000 to
one. According to superstition, more than four leaves brings bad luck.
There
are hundreds of varieties of seamair óg or "little clover". The white
variety
of clover (Trifolium repens) known as the Shamrock was believed by the
Celts
to charm evil spirits. The three leaf clover (Shamrock) was used by St.
Patrick in a sermon to represent the Holy Trinity.
In my child hood I picked the longest stemmed dandelions tying them
together
to make "flower" necklaces, made wishes as I blew the white headed
dandelions into the wind scattering the seeds across the yard (kept
those in the lawn
care business employed), and found more than one four leaf clover and
on one
occasion found a five leaf.
I've had many a thing happen in my life that can be considered lucky and
unlucky. A few months ago a clot lodged in my great toe cutting off the
blood
supply so eventually the toe may need amputated. I was told by the
doctor that
I was "lucky" as this clot could have went to my brain (stroke) or my
heart
(MI - heart attack). More than lucky I am blessed as it is because of a
higher
power that I am here and I was spared from death. I am also blessed
with
family and friends - many from this list who keep me in their prayers.
Counting my blessings although soon may only be able to count up to 19
(fingers and toes)
Still have a sense of humor
Genevieve
First Leaf = HOPE Second Leaf = FAITH Third Leaf = LOVE Fourth Leaf
= LUCK
Faith, Hope and Charity but the greatest of these is LOVE
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A mutation if having more than threes leaves, the four leaf clover is
universally recognized as symbol of luck and the odds of finding one are 10,000 to
one. According to superstition, more than four leaves brings bad luck. There
are hundreds of varieties of seamair óg or "little clover". The white variety
of clover (Trifolium repens) known as the Shamrock was believed by the Celts
to charm evil spirits. The three leaf clover (Shamrock) was used by St.
Patrick in a sermon to represent the Holy Trinity.
In my child hood I picked the longest stemmed dandelions tying them together
to make "flower" necklaces, made wishes as I blew the white headed
dandelions into the wind scattering the seeds across the yard (kept those in the lawn
care business employed), and found more than one four leaf clover and on one
occasion found a five leaf.
I've had many a thing happen in my life that can be considered lucky and
unlucky. A few months ago a clot lodged in my great toe cutting off the blood
supply so eventually the toe may need amputated. I was told by the doctor that
I was "lucky" as this clot could have went to my brain (stroke) or my heart
(MI - heart attack). More than lucky I am blessed as it is because of a higher
power that I am here and I was spared from death. I am also blessed with
family and friends - many from this list who keep me in their prayers.
Counting my blessings although soon may only be able to count up to 19
(fingers and toes)
Still have a sense of humor
Genevieve
First Leaf = HOPE Second Leaf = FAITH Third Leaf = LOVE Fourth Leaf = LUCK
Faith, Hope and Charity but the greatest of these is LOVE

Hello Angela,
1796 Flax List - no townland given
Fallen Patrick Cleenish parish, Fermanagh
Put - genealogy northern ireland phalen - into google and you will get 250
hits.
genealogy northern ireland fallon will give you over 5000.
Fallon will give you over 200 at the LDS site www.familysearch.org and
there is the surname navigator site at http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/
ALSO users.andara.com/~grose/isle.html
'One group that did not assimilate readily was the Irish immigrants to Isle
Madame. In Arichat such families as the Flynns, Hennessys, Barrets, Powers,
PHALENS [my capitals], Maddens, and Tyrrels long maintained their separate
Irish identity. Indeed Arichat's St. Paddy's day celebrations were judged to
be the most exuberant east of Montreal.' [Although Tyrrel is probably a
Norman name].
Phalen Family Genealogy Forum (25 Latest Messages). ... John Phalen, North
Dakota - Thomas Dorsher 9/24/02; Mary Phalen/Whalen m. Matthew
O'Neil>Ireland>St. ...
genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/latest.cgi?phalen
Rob Doragh
Liverpool UK
Angela Wilds <agwilds(a)vtc.net> Subject: Falen/Phalens Mon, 28 Feb 2005
ggg-grandfather Joseph FALEN immigrated into Ontario c1815 from Fermanagh.
recently told Falens/ Phalens raised horses for racing in Canada and Ireland
before that. location in Fermanagh where horse racing was big?

Some of the other families also appear to have arrived in Illinois via
Ontario. Thanks for the information Margot.
Brian
On Dé Luain, Feabh 28, 2005, at 05:13 Europe/Dublin, Margot Jorgensen
wrote:
> Hi Kerstin,
> I think it is very likely that these families not only knew each
> other, but
> may even have emigrated at the same time.
> I believe Christopher Armstrong and Mary Anne Foster went first to
> Ontario
> where two of his brothers had purchased land, then moved south to
> Preemption
> nr. Rock Island, Illinois. Their first 6 children were born in Ireland
> between 1835 and 1851, the 7th was born in 1852 in Canada, the last
> two in
> Rock Island, Foster in 1853 and Elizabeth in 1856. I believe this
> information was taken from the Illinois Federal Census, June 22, 1860,
> page
> 8, lines 21-29, Illinois State Archives. Perhaps it was because of
> letters
> from relatives that they ventured south.
> They were staunch Methodists.
> I hope you are able to find some useful records on the film if you
> order it
> in.
> Margot
>
>
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I found a patch with hundreds of four and five leaf CLOVERS when I was a
teenager in mum and dad's back yard. I kept a couple, gave some away, I
think I only have one left in a bible. I've looked ever since
(including the same area) and never found another. If I'd known how
rare they were I would have harvested them ! It's strange how some
people thought I'd stuck on another leaf! My parents have certainly
had the "luck of the Irish" - definitely not in monetary terms: but in
love, health and happiness, and friendships, plus incredible "luck"? for
dad in catching an aggressive cancer at an extremely early stage. Dad
even found a package on the side of the road the week before he married
mum with a perfect-fit suit and shoes, it was the same shade of light
blue as his eyes!
Has anyone else found four / five leaf clovers?
Lyn, Ulladulla (where the clovers were), Australia
> >Ireland is and was a land of superstition and this fear was what
caused
many
> >burning of the so called witches,
> >It was said to be unlucky for a pregnant woman to meet a cross eyed
person
> >
> >I think I am reasonably enlightened but over the last few years my
house
has
> >been full of baby clothes, cots etc in safe keeping for my expected
> >grandchildren as I believe it is unlucky to have any babywear in the
house
> >before the
> >baby is born.
> >
> >I would never cross anyone on the stairs.
> >If you spill salt throw some over your shoulder to ward off evil.
> >Always cross a new baby's hand with silver...he, she will never want.
> >
> >I am still looking for the 4 leaf clover???
> >
> >Maureen
> >
> >
>

Pat,
You mentioned Mary Weir's parents as Robert Weir b.1787 and Cathrine Graham
b. 1901 (maybe 1801 but not 1901).
My ggrandfather Henry Graham came to Smith/Harvey Townships in about 1841
from Fermanagh.The village of Lakefield, north of Peterborough had more Grahams
than any other sir name at one time. Many are buried the Lakefield
Cemetary...............I don't recall a Cathrine in our family.

I like your style, sir. A couple of pops will do you good as you read,
for if it effects you as it did me, you'll have lots to contemplate as you
go through it.
Perhaps we'll talk when you've had a chance to read it. I'd enjoy that.
My husband is neither Irish nor Catholic (but a good guy just the same), and
it didn't have the same impact on him as it did upon me.
Fran
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From: "thomas cassidy" <CASSTOOL(a)peoplepc.com>
To: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FER-GOLD] Have you read the 1847 "Famine Ship" Diary?
> Thank You Fran, To know you had someone on one of those ships is still
> painful to think of today. I will get a copy but make sure I am well
> supplied with strong drink before I begin. Hope you are well. Thomas
Cassidy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Francine G. Weeks" <fifi36(a)comcast.net>
> To: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: [FER-GOLD] Have you read the 1847 "Famine Ship" Diary?
>
>
> > For those who are interested in a true story of the crossing of a
> "famine ship" in 1847, (Liverpool >Dublin>Quebec), you should read The
> Journey of An Irish Coffin Ship by Robert Whyte.
> > It's a short paperback book that is the diary of the author, a
> Protestant "gentleman", during the course of his journey. In it, he
> described the conditions that our people aboard endured, and he explains
> the very avoidable causes of these conditions. I'm certain that the
> situation was the same on all of the famine ships that transported 100,000
> Irish passengers that summer.
> > It's another factual depiction of the victimization of the Irish,
> begun on land by the English and then perpetuated at sea. Reading it was
a
> humbling experience for me, a second generation Irish-American. That
anyone
> in steerage survived is a testament to Irish grit and determination.
> > Robert Whyte's journey was aboard the "Ajax", the ship upon which my
> 15-year-old gr-grandfather sailed, but I'm sure it could be the story of
any
> of those ships to Quebec laden with Irish immigrants that summer of 1847.
> > It's both moving and historical, an easy read, but a story that will
> linger with you.
> > Fran Weeks
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Hi all
Have been looking for Reillys in Enniskillen for a number of years and have obtained lots of info especially through Fermanagh Gold, which is an excellent site. I was wondering if anyone knows of a similar site for Co Cavan.
Jim

According to the Tithe Applotment Books only 1 Fallan/Falan listed.
Fallan, Luke Cleenish Derryinch 1834
Cleenish parish would seem a good place to start.
Bob Graham
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:04 PM
Subject: [FER-GOLD] Falen/Phalens
> Hi, I've written before trying to find information about my
great-great-great-grandfather Joseph Falen who immigrated into Ontario
Canada about 1815 ish from County Fermanagh, Ireland, (no idea where in
Fermanagh to look). So far I haven't been able to find any information. An
older cousin of mine, recently told me that the Falen's/ Phalens had raised
horses for racing in Canada and Ireland before that. Would there be a
location in Fermanagh county where horse racing was a big thing? Thanks,
Angela
>
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Sorry Vera,
All I know about Mary Anne Foster/Forster is that she married Christopher
Armstrong 4 Mar 1834, and both were of the townland of Lisrace/Lisreask in
County Fermanagh. Sorry I have no further details on her.
Margot

SHIRLEYJ6(a)aol.com wrote:
>my family allegedly came on the ship carpathia and entered at montreal then
>moved on to detroit michigan in 1906.........documentation is
>sketchy.........certainly a large ship such as the carpathia would not have sailed that far
>inland....or could it?
>
>shirley brady johnson
>
I have documentation of a ship sailing as far as Chicago from the
Netherlands from research i have done for another.

Jim,
Do you perchance have a Nancy Reilly who married a James Stoddart? This
couple went from Ireland (where is not known) to Allegheny County,
Pennsylvania in the late 1700s.
My Robert Stoddart also came to the U.S. from Ireland - allegedly
Enniskillen. He was born anywhere from 1754 to 1765. Parents and siblings
unknown. I find him in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania in 1789 but he could
have arrived earlier. He also settled in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
I have not yet found a relationship between James and Robert Stoddart
(except they both came from Ireland). They were Scotch-Irish and
Presbyterian in the U.S. I have not been successful in locating this
surname in County Fermanagh other than an isolated case. There are
Studderts in County Clare; however, I do not believe there is a connection.
Regards,
Kay Fordham
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [FER-GOLD] REILLYS
> Hi all
>
> Have been looking for Reillys in Enniskillen for a number of years and
> have obtained lots of info especially through Fermanagh Gold, which is an
> excellent site. I was wondering if anyone knows of a similar site for Co
> Cavan.
> Jim
>
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Take a look at this site. The Seaway officially opened in 1959/ This site
gives a lot of history and you may find what you want.
I do know that some came by ship to Prescott and overland from there, but
this is interesting speculation. You can always Google it and find out
more.
Dawn in Toronto Canada
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From: Ruth Sprowls [mailto:sprowls@ncweb.com]
Sent: February 28, 2005 12:06 PM
To: FERMANAGH-GOLD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [FER-GOLD] St. Lawrence Seaway
Ok, I am getting confused here, with the talk of St. Lawrence
Seaway - I realize that by following the seaway this will bring
you into Lake Ontario - but how would a ship get from Lake
Ontario to Detroit Michigan? Between Lake Erie and Lake Ontario
is Niagara Falls - guessing: disembark Lake Ontario at Niagara,
and probaly in Buffalo take another ship to Detroit - I know
that there were many ships arriving along the Lake Erie docks
from Buffalo, but have never heard of ships coming from East of
that point.
Thanks
Ruth
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Thank You Fran, To know you had someone on one of those ships is still
painful to think of today. I will get a copy but make sure I am well
supplied with strong drink before I begin. Hope you are well. Thomas Cassidy
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From: "Francine G. Weeks" <fifi36(a)comcast.net>
To: <FERMANAGH-GOLD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: [FER-GOLD] Have you read the 1847 "Famine Ship" Diary?
> For those who are interested in a true story of the crossing of a
"famine ship" in 1847, (Liverpool >Dublin>Quebec), you should read The
Journey of An Irish Coffin Ship by Robert Whyte.
> It's a short paperback book that is the diary of the author, a
Protestant "gentleman", during the course of his journey. In it, he
described the conditions that our people aboard endured, and he explains
the very avoidable causes of these conditions. I'm certain that the
situation was the same on all of the famine ships that transported 100,000
Irish passengers that summer.
> It's another factual depiction of the victimization of the Irish,
begun on land by the English and then perpetuated at sea. Reading it was a
humbling experience for me, a second generation Irish-American. That anyone
in steerage survived is a testament to Irish grit and determination.
> Robert Whyte's journey was aboard the "Ajax", the ship upon which my
15-year-old gr-grandfather sailed, but I'm sure it could be the story of any
of those ships to Quebec laden with Irish immigrants that summer of 1847.
> It's both moving and historical, an easy read, but a story that will
linger with you.
> Fran Weeks
>
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I live along the shore of Lake Erie, between Erie Pa. and
Cleveland, OHio - In the area where I live (Madison Twp., Lake
County) ships in from Buffalo, NY that stopped along the shores
of Lake Erie, dropping off settlers in this area - many even
continued on to Michigan and points beyond. I don't know when
the railroads came thru this area, but can check it out. I don't
recall reading inthe history of this area when the RR came thru.
This area of Ohio is what was called "The Western Reserve" - the
area that New Englanders were migrating to - to the new
wilderness. Shipping on the Great Lakes today still continues -
In Fairport Harbor, a few miles west of me, is a large dock area,
that still receives loads of stone and gravel from the east.
Great Lakes shipping of supplies and passengers was a booming
business - many ships were built in Buffalo and also in Fairport
Harbor/Grand River, Ohio.
I didn't know much of the history of my home county, until I
started volunteering to help those who lived out of state -
Ruth Sprowls

This site has a good description of the routes used by the Allan Line
across the Atlantic and around the Great Lakes.
http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/%7Emarj/genealogy/allantour.html
It's a tourist guide from the late 1870s and is the equivalent of 26
pages long. Their ships were steamers, and by then could do the trip from
Liverpool to Quebec in as little as 8 days.
Some good reading.
Pat

In a message dated 2/28/2005 3:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jvmullan(a)rogers.com writes:
> I don't believe Cunard's ships in those days and even later, sailed past
> Montreal. I don't know for sure but I don't think ocean going shipping in
> general was able to get to the Great Lakes before 1959. The Lachine rapids
> at Montreal was the first major obstacle.
>
> I would think therefore, that in1906 travel from Montreal to Detroit might
> have been by rail.
>
> James
>
right....i didn't mean to imply that they'd sailed all the way to detroit
aboard the capathia....port of entry in new world was montreal...relatively
simple for someone from british isles. i too expect that they boarded a train and
came into detroit.
shirley

Re: The St Lawrence Seaway and - My family ...came on the ....Carpathia
and entered at Montreal then moved ...to Detroit .... in 1906...certainly a
large ship such as the Carpathia would not have sailed that far inland....or
could it?
--------------------
The Carpathia was launched in 1902 and at the time was one of Cunard's
largest ships:
Specifications:
Length: 558ft
Beam: 64ft
Tonnage: 13,555 gross tons
Speed: 13.5 knots
Passengers: 1720
It's maiden voyage was May 1903 Liverpool to Boston. It was the first ship
to reach the sinking Titanic.
Construction of the St Lawrence Seaway did not begin until 1954 and it
opened in April 1959 linking the Atlantic to the Great Lakes, including
Detroit.
The original Welland Canal was built in 1829 and was improved and rebuilt up
until it became part of the St Lawrence Seaway.
I don't believe Cunard's ships in those days and even later, sailed past
Montreal. I don't know for sure but I don't think ocean going shipping in
general was able to get to the Great Lakes before 1959. The Lachine rapids
at Montreal was the first major obstacle.
I would think therefore, that in1906 travel from Montreal to Detroit might
have been by rail.
James

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