Also I wish they would start going back to random jobs they seem very few and far between now. I liked when they would do that. Do they have a statistic for how many doors dean kicked in. Also I didn't see season 8 yet so I don't know if he came back but gaberial needs to make a return he was awesome. That entire season was awesome. Season 5 I believe it was

Aww man, why'd you have to remind me about Gabriel? Dude was fucking awesome and I HATE how easily he was snuffed out, he's a fucking Archangel dammit.

I won't spoil Season 8 for ya but YES, there are some hunts that exist outside the primary storyline. I agree of course, seeing them in their element, hunting creatures and trying to help people is awesome. They're signed in for Seasons 9 & 10, as well as a spin-off based on a character introduced this Season based on hunting in Chicago.

Aww man, why'd you have to remind me about Gabriel? Dude was fucking awesome and I HATE how easily he was snuffed out, he's a fucking Archangel dammit.

I won't spoil Season 8 for ya but YES, there are some hunts that exist outside the primary storyline. I agree of course, seeing them in their element, hunting creatures and trying to help people is awesome. They're signed in for Seasons 9 & 10, as well as a spin-off based on a character introduced this Season based on hunting in Chicago.

Also I don't like how they vilify John Winchester in the later seasons. It seems like they forgot that he sold his soul for dean to come back. The newer episodes they kinda vilify him. Gabriel was amazing and he had a damn good actor I so want him back. Spin off based in Chicago. Please be Elliot Ness

Also I don't like how they vilify John Winchester in the later seasons. It seems like they forgot that he sold his soul for dean to come back. The newer episodes they kinda vilify him. Gabriel was amazing and he had a damn good actor I so want him back. Spin off based in Chicago. Please be Elliot Ness

In his defense, the Demons hail him as unending virtuous and unable to break, even after 100 Hell years of torture.

John gets vilified a bit because he had the best intentions in the world and did the best he could, but he was a pretty shitty father. Rarely there, gruff, not very compassionate, turning his kids into warriors. Of course, given the life and how their mother died, it's totally understandable and without that training, they never would have survived but it doesn't make him a great father.

On the upside, they DID show that he was the innocent, dewy eyed youth going into it and it was his wife that drug him into the life, albeit reluctantly. John Winchester was formidable weapon who was forged in bitterness and pain against his will, he did the best he could. As a Hunter, he excelled beyond belief. As a father figure? He failed.

I would love to see Jeffrey dean Morgan make a return for a season. His fate was never truly explained in the end of season 2. I red a while aback that Jeffrey dean Morgan would be willing to come back cause he felt johns story wasn't finished.

Sam and Dean had no choice they were destined to be hunters. It was out of their hands. Without Johns training they would have fell a long time ago. In my eyes John gave them the best gift a father could give his kids. He made sure they were ready for anything. God I love this show and I love discussing cause no one I know besides my father like this and he's no one for discs suing the finer details of a show

For one, Season 7 was never as bad as people put it out there to be. The concept was innovative, Dick Roman was a refreshing twist on the big baddie, they just fumbled the delivery a bit.

Decent concept, sure. "Fumbled the delivery a bit" is being way too kind though. They pretty much shit the bed with that season.

The worst offense of S7? The bullshit of them not being able to drive the Impala. That car is every bit as important of a character as Sam or Dean. I don't care about the logic of why they couldn't drive it because it is recognizable and they were wanted. The writers should have never put them in a situation where they can't drive the Impala.

The fact of the matter is that Bobby didn't get killed by a 'random shot', he was killed by the head Leviathan as a demonstration of his deadly and calculated persona.

Clearly we do not interpret this scene the same way. A demonstration of his deadly and calculated persona? It was random shots at a departing vehicle. We see that sort of thing all the time in TV and movies. People fire random shots at escaping cars. Most writers are not stupid enough to kill off main characters in that fashion. There was not anything calculated about that whatsoever. He was firing at them just for the fuck of it and one of the bullets just so happened to randomly hit Bobby.

There has been way too many characters killed off over the span of the show. There aren't that many characters left that have been around since the early seasons. Bobby was a big part of the show and it feels less without him. It's the same as when Cas was off the show. At least with him they had the sense to bring him back.

I would love to see Jeffrey dean Morgan make a return for a season. His fate was never truly explained in the end of season 2. I red a while aback that Jeffrey dean Morgan would be willing to come back cause he felt johns story wasn't finished.

Sam and Dean had no choice they were destined to be hunters. It was out of their hands. Without Johns training they would have fell a long time ago. In my eyes John gave them the best gift a father could give his kids. He made sure they were ready for anything. God I love this show and I love discussing cause no one I know besides my father like this and he's no one for discs suing the finer details of a show

I definitely feel ya on the discussion front. I mean, there's a select few people I can discuss the show with on a day to day basis in my life and even online, it's a relatively cult following. Definitely glad I made this thread, we can bounce ideas off each other until the premiere and then rage as the season continues.

As to John, I already agreed that as a HUNTER he certainly did better than anyone else could have. But as a Father? No way. These characters are so emotionally damaged (it's a huge part of their appeal) and 90% links back to their father and their relationship or lack thereof with him. He made them great hunters and deeply flawed men. It's the running theme that drives the show, which is great.

Decent concept, sure. "Fumbled the delivery a bit" is being way too kind though. They pretty much shit the bed with that season.

The worst offense of S7? The bullshit of them not being able to drive the Impala. That car is every bit as important of a character as Sam or Dean. I don't care about the logic of why they couldn't drive it because it is recognizable and they were wanted. The writers should have never put them in a situation where they can't drive the Impala.

C'Mon Tater, you're nitpicking now bro. The absence of the Impala drove home the importance, the scope, the reach of the Leviathans. We got a sneak peek when they were on the FBI hit list but the Leviathans knocked it up to 11. We understood just how deeply they were entrenched in SHIT. I loved the Impala, sweeeeeet car, but that's what made it's absence that much more impressive to the story overall.

Clearly we do not interpret this scene the same way. A demonstration of his deadly and calculated persona? It was random shots at a departing vehicle. We see that sort of thing all the time in TV and movies. People fire random shots at escaping cars. Most writers are not stupid enough to kill off main characters in that fashion. There was not anything calculated about that whatsoever. He was firing at them just for the fuck of it and one of the bullets just so happened to randomly hit Bobby.

There has been way too many characters killed off over the span of the show. There aren't that many characters left that have been around since the early seasons. Bobby was a big part of the show and it feels less without him. It's the same as when Cas was off the show. At least with him they had the sense to bring him back.

As to Bobby, Dick bragged about how great a shot he was and detailed his handiwork to Dean outside the hospital while Dean tried to taunt him into attacking in front of a packed public square. He knew exactly what he was doing with those shots.

When it comes to the number of graves lining the way, doesn't that validate the premise of the show? They live a bloody, violent life and every bond ends in despair and Death. THAT'S the life of a hunter and when the show's spanned this many years, there has to be a plethora of deaths to enrich the characters. Keeping all the favorites would cheapen the show immensely.

C'Mon Tater, you're nitpicking now bro. The absence of the Impala drove home the importance, the scope, the reach of the Leviathans. We got a sneak peek when they were on the FBI hit list but the Leviathans knocked it up to 11. We understood just how deeply they were entrenched in SHIT. I loved the Impala, sweeeeeet car, but that's what made it's absence that much more impressive to the story overall.

So they had to take away a key element of the show to sell us the Leviathon story? Okay. Sounds like cheap heat to me but okay.

No matter. The Impala is back. At least that's one mistake they've fixed.

As to Bobby, Dick bragged about how great a shot he was and detailed his handiwork to Dean outside the hospital while Dean tried to taunt him into attacking in front of a packed public square. He knew exactly what he was doing with those shots.

Agree to disagree. It still looks like random shots at a departing vehicle to me.

When it comes to the number of graves lining the way, doesn't that validate the premise of the show? They live a bloody, violent life and every bond ends in despair and Death. THAT'S the life of a hunter and when the show's spanned this many years, there has to be a plethora of deaths to enrich the characters. Keeping all the favorites would cheapen the show immensely.

I don't entirely disagree with this sentiment. Yet, they have killed off more than enough. Bobby was one of the last remaining few that had been around a long time. If they were going to kill him, they could have at least waited until the final season.

7 was decent, but I would have liked to see more of God Cas, even though I understand that he was the Leviathans' way back onto Earth, but yeah, it would have been cool to see more. Plus, the whole Leviathan deal with making humans the perfect food source by dumbing them down and what not, while different, didn't feel very 'Supernatural' to me, and got a little confusing at times.

But yeah, Jeremy Carver nailed it last season. Shame that Abaddon will have a different vessel, I thought Alina Huffman was fantastic as her, but hopefully they find a suitable replacement.