Incognito or Martin - Would you want them??

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by papz
He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions.
Even his play on and off the field show ...

He said what he said and there's no getting around it. But I would love to hear your justifiable spin condoning what he did on multiple occasions.

Even his play on and off the field show how much of a stand up guy he is. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding.

never said i condone what he said. I am saying you are jumping to a conclusion based off one little thing(a partial voice mail converted to text) just like everyone did to us with the bountgate crap. You have not heard the voice mail nor have I only a few people have. Tanahill and other players on the team have said that Martin and Incognito were like BFF's. Also that is only part of the voice mail you are quoting according to another source (cant remember if it was espn or even on here) said at the end of the voice mail Incognito said he was messing around and to call him back. So back to my original point of you are jumping all over this guy for a fraction of what maybe on a voice mail that the press is putting out. Way to be just like the folks that bashed us and you complained about!!!

see this is the freaking stupid grey area that pC gets all wrong being so black and white about this.

players black and white on the dolphins back Incognito on this. a few players have even said he is the blackest white dude they know. so he falls in the area where the N word is ok say. just like black players saying it to each other and it is not an issue.

they also said the word is used often in humor among the whole team. so there an issue here? you have to look at the grey in this. this not so cut and dry.

Does Political Correctness belong in the locker room?

then you have the " back out of a line mans trip to vegas" and all that crap to. thats why team mates were not sitting with him or so people are saying.

there is more to this so i sit and wait for what happens in the end.

once again it is not so cut dry.

if it is :

I want any player black or white that uses the N word to get the same punishment.

either it is the word itself or it is the color of the person using it.

There is a "Report Post" button underneath everyone's avatar. "We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!!

What conclusion am I jumping into? That he made a racial comment? That was he said was wrong regardless of what else may or may not be on that voicemail?

Is this really debateable?

oooo... he said a bad word.... lets lynch him.

Who alive hasnt said something they regret, or that is wrong?
Who hasnt said something about a group of somebody?
Murderers can be parolled, but the worst sin you can ever do is "racism."
And yet every person alive, black people included, have at sometime expressed a distrust of people who are different from them. Magic Johnson got Tha Aids
and he's still alive. Racism, if there really is such thing, is curable. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Who alive hasnt said something they regret, or that is wrong?
Who hasnt said something about a group of somebody?
Murderers can be parolled, but the worst sin you can ever do is "racism."
And yet every person alive, black people included, have at sometime expressed a distrust of people who are different from them. Magic Johnson got Tha Aids
and he's still alive. Racism, if there really is such thing, is curable. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Sugar Hill Gang: Apache (Jump On It) - YouTube

Whoa... slow down there skymike.

I missed where I said anything about crucifying him... much less lynching him. This is what you call jumping to conclusions. He made a racial comment, I did not say he was a racist. There's a BIG difference.

I've said my fair share of ignorant comments throughout the years... but I'm no racist by any means.

never said i condone what he said. I am saying you are jumping to a conclusion based off one little thing(a partial voice mail converted to text) just like everyone did to us with the bountgate crap. You have not heard the voice mail nor have I only a few people have. Tanahill and other players on the team have said that Martin and Incognito were like BFF's. Also that is only part of the voice mail you are quoting according to another source (cant remember if it was espn or even on here) said at the end of the voice mail Incognito said he was messing around and to call him back. So back to my original point of you are jumping all over this guy for a fraction of what maybe on a voice mail that the press is putting out. Way to be just like the folks that bashed us and you complained about!!!

Since Ingognito has admitted he did it and went too far, I would say there is more to go on. Aren't you speculating about what we are speculating off of?

In my humble opinion, I think Jon Martin is a giant baby for leaving the team. But I do not want Incognito.

This isn't the first time he's caused trouble, and it probably won't be the last. He IS extremely immature and a jerk, and there can't be any debate on that. That's not what we need.

But Martin has to be a man and stand up for himself. Running away doesn't make a statement... Actually, it does... It says "I'm a spoiled, entitled brat and I should be able to make millions and be treated like a princess at the same time". I'm sure Incognito is unpleasant, but you're not a child. It's no different than having an A-hole for a drill Sargent or boss, and having to put up with it. And when you've had enough, say something, don't run and cry.