But whose to say it was a bad call? Were you on the field when it happened? no. so how can you call it a bad call if you didnt see it up close. I do agree that the nppl should release a statement. But my question is, who are you to say it was a bad call? You werent on the field where the ref was standing. He could have saw something totally different from what the cameras saw, maybe thats how they made the call, so how would that make it a bad call? I am not a fan of either teams btw.

YOu say "whose to say it was a bad call" 2 times, and imply a third. You are retarded if you think that it was a good call. Maybe the refs did see something else, but whatever they saw, it turned out it was wrong. If in a NFL game the last play to win the super bowl and the guy drops the ball, but the refs say he cought it and they win. You can't sya ti was a good call, that. You CAN say that the refs might have seen something different, but you can't say it was right.

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YOu say "whose to say it was a bad call" 2 times, and imply a third. You are retarded if you think that it was a good call. Maybe the refs did see something else, but whatever they saw, it turned out it was wrong. If in a NFL game the last play to win the super bowl and the guy drops the ball, but the refs say he cought it and they win. You can't sya ti was a good call, that. You CAN say that the refs might have seen something different, but you can't say it was right.

NPPL changes Commanders Cup penalties
In an unprecedented move, the NPPL has revisited the final game between Dynasty and Joy Division at the Commanders Cup in October. Presumably video we posted on Pbstar and others on the net were used for an "instant replay" to make a decision nearly two months after the fact. While the suspension update may seem relatively minor, the changes that have been made to penalty Joy received are being interpreted by Joy fans that Joy is the true winner, "in spirit". Hopefully the NPPL can clarify...

Commander's Cup 2006 Final Pro Game

San Diego Dynasty vs. Stockholm Joy Division

NPPL Ultimate Dave Zinkham has carefully studied the situation and held lengthy discussions with players from both teams and match officials and has made the following Suspension Review:

1. The Stockholm Joy suspension will be lifted.
2. At no time did any Joy player shoot after his armband was removed.
3. Brian Cole will receive a warning for shooting after his armband was removed.
4. Alex Fraige will receive an official warning for physical contact.

The NPPL's Mission is to be the World Wide Governing body of the sport of paintball, to run and promote the highest quality events, to ensure safe, fair, competitive play for members, teams and spectators, while showcasing Paintball as a major sport with integrity and professionalism. The NPPL is committed to setting rules, standards and guidelines for safe, competitive and fair Paintball competitions worldwide. For more information on the National Professional Paintball

Well honestly, what else could the NPPL do? It's not like they are going to take away the title. It was months after the fact. Are they going to take away Dynasty's prize money and hand it to Joy? No. They did not, in fact, say Joy won. All they said was that Dynasty had a few more faults then what was made to be believed in October.

Joy, didn't really win. But they should have won.
Or rather, the game should have continued as a 1-on-1, which was obvious to anyone not totally biased in Dynastys favor at the time. Also it would have really been a crowd pleaser. I was watching the NPPL internet tv broadcast live in the middle of th night (Europe) and I remember how cheated I felt when the final call came in.

The worst thing about this wasn't to me that Dynasty got a win they did not deserve, but the unfair penalties and that certain Dynasty players really put their heart into rubbing it in Joys faces, calling them unsportsmanlike and other totally undeserved BS. As if the win wasnt' enough, or rather that he knew he shouldn't really have got it. Very bad form, especially from someone that had flaunted his disregard of rules and safety by grabbing a live player -one of few rock solid taboos of paintball.
At least the penalties are gone from Joy now, and it's what I was hoping for. But I know I'll never think the same of one certain boy in blue and frankly I don't see how even his fans can just overlook and forget about that grab.

Regardless, I bet Joy will have a great season 2007. With better reffing they'll do great things.

They wont redetermine the winner just because joy is mad that they lost. That was the right call by the ref. Why should the NPPL say they were wrong when the joy player over shot BC. Get over it. JOY LOST DYNASTY WON, everyone needs to shut the **** up, especially if they werent there to see it, you cant tell what happened by the videos. Let Idris handle it with the NPPL, the joy fans need to stay out of it. Nothing against joy, but i am tired of seeing these threads on pbnation and where ever i go. Let the bigwigs figure it out, there is a slim chance that the call will be reversed but let Joy and the NPPL figure it out. I dont think the NPPL should admit to a wrong call, especially when it is mostly the fans who are complaining. The NPPL doesnt need to apoligize.

I didnt know they let blind people play paintball.

You can CLEARLY see what happened by the videos and what happened in the videos is exactly what people in this thread are saying what happened.

No JD players had their arm bands pulled, both dynasty players did. Giving joy a penalty for playing on is stupid because as long as they still have their arm band on, they are in the game.

You can CLEARLY see what happened by the videos and what happened in the videos is exactly what people in this thread are saying what happened.

No JD players had their arm bands pulled, both dynasty players did. Giving joy a penalty for playing on is stupid because as long as they still have their arm band on, they are in the game.

The overshooting penalty is harder for you to see justified on videos. Before you argue it, think about this for a minute - When you view the "uber 1337 DM7" videos showing off the BPS rates, how many of the shots fired do you actually see? The truth is that the cameras are too slow to catch everything. What may appear as 5 or 6 shots can easily be 12 or 13. The folds in BC's jersey can certainly hide a significant number of hits when he turns his body.

You're going to have to accept the fact that once a player is hit or called out, they're done, regardless of the presence of an armband. Cheater logic and good reffing generally tend not to agree with each other. Playing on is playing on, whether the player has an armband or not.

I can understand why you responded so strongly, as his post wasn't the kindest. Just remember that you're talking to some random guy over the internet, and it's not worth getting a ban for flaming.

The overshooting penalty is harder for you to see justified on videos. Before you argue it, think about this for a minute - When you view the "uber 1337 DM7" videos showing off the BPS rates, how many of the shots fired do you actually see? The truth is that the cameras are too slow to catch everything. What may appear as 5 or 6 shots can easily be 12 or 13. The folds in BC's jersey can certainly hide a significant number of hits when he turns his body.

This is true. But it's also true that a player with his armband already pulled cannot shoot or even aim his gun at a live player in a threatening manner and then be deemed as overshot.
So I'm going with Nacs view on this. I too didn't I didnt know they let blind people play paintball.

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You're going to have to accept the fact that once a player is hit or called out, they're done, regardless of the presence of an armband. Cheater logic and good reffing generally tend not to agree with each other. Playing on is playing on, whether the player has an armband or not.

A player with his armband removed is OBVIOUSLY out, no matter how you play it. If that player raises his gun at a live player IT IS PLAYING ON. i.e BC was playing on well before any overshooting occurred.
Why are we still arguing this? NPPL has removed the penalty on the Joy players and stated it was a mistake.

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I can understand why you responded so strongly, as his post wasn't the kindest. Just remember that you're talking to some random guy over the internet, and it's not worth getting a ban for flaming.

This is true. But it's also true that a player with his armband already pulled cannot shoot or even aim his gun at a live player in a threatening manner and then be deemed as overshot.
So I'm going with Nacs view on this. I too didn't I didnt know they let blind people play paintball.

A player with his armband removed is OBVIOUSLY out, no matter how you play it. If that player raises his gun at a live player IT IS PLAYING ON. i.e BC was playing on well before any overshooting occurred.
Why are we still arguing this? NPPL has removed the penalty on the Joy players and stated it was a mistake.

I truly, seriously doubt NAC will get a BAN for stating the obvious.

I've got nothing against Joy, so don't get the wrong idea here. I'm just saying that a legitimate overshooting penalty was more than possible. None of us know the whole story, and seeing that this has been resolved to some degree, there's no point in arguing it.

NPPL changes Commanders Cup penalties
In an unprecedented move, the NPPL has revisited the final game between Dynasty and Joy Division at the Commanders Cup in October. Presumably video we posted on Pbstar and others on the net were used for an "instant replay" to make a decision nearly two months after the fact. While the suspension update may seem relatively minor, the changes that have been made to penalty Joy received are being interpreted by Joy fans that Joy is the true winner, "in spirit". Hopefully the NPPL can clarify...

Commander's Cup 2006 Final Pro Game

San Diego Dynasty vs. Stockholm Joy Division

NPPL Ultimate Dave Zinkham has carefully studied the situation and held lengthy discussions with players from both teams and match officials and has made the following Suspension Review:

1. The Stockholm Joy suspension will be lifted.
2. At no time did any Joy player shoot after his armband was removed.
3. Brian Cole will receive a warning for shooting after his armband was removed.
4. Alex Fraige will receive an official warning for physical contact.

The NPPL's Mission is to be the World Wide Governing body of the sport of paintball, to run and promote the highest quality events, to ensure safe, fair, competitive play for members, teams and spectators, while showcasing Paintball as a major sport with integrity and professionalism. The NPPL is committed to setting rules, standards and guidelines for safe, competitive and fair Paintball competitions worldwide. For more information on the National Professional Paintball

I've got nothing against Joy, so don't get the wrong idea here. I'm just saying that a legitimate overshooting penalty was more than possible. None of us know the whole story, and seeing that this has been resolved to some degree, there's no point in arguing it.

The ban thing was for future reference.

I know the whole story

Lol, yea you guys as crazy as this whole thing is...its seriously like complaining about Ions anymore...its really old news. This was taken up and down for SOO long.

Yes maybe Dynasty didnt get a good full punishment considering what NPPL tried to do to Joy. But honestly theres no more arguing to do about this. Considering that even NPPL decided their decision was rash, it just kinda shows all of the Joy supporters were right.

Its great that everyone stuck through with Joy through the whole contraversy even though most people love Dynasty over life, and its awesome that people can be above that and actually do a little searching to find out whats up, as appose to staying ignorant and one track minded.