Don, honestly they looked great in those two games against Chicago and LA that others are talking about.

There were a few other games where they looked strong (the second game against Anaheim, our first game, a SOL, against LA, and our other games against Chicago come to mind).

Aside from a handful of games, the team played like garbage. Most games against "inferior" opposition were downright disappointing to watch as they either squeeked out wins or looked terrible (see any game against Edmonton this year).

donlever wrote:Let's play a game and guess some of the excuses:

Luo and Schneids both here caused issues

Kes hurt

Other injuries

Refs

Ballards fault

To small

Not tough enough

Coaching makes to many changes to lines

I honestly don't think any excuses fly this year. Last year they were "tired", in years previous injuries were the excuse.

Not this time. This is a talented, experienced, deep, veteran team that simply did not look interested and/or motivated to get up and play 60+ minutes most nights. There was no hunger or excitement to play. This team looked like they expected to win, and most nights they were in there despite pathetic efforts, but they couldn't be bothered to put in the required effort. Looking back and hindsight being what it is, we saw the exact same thing in 2011/12. A team that looked like it thought it was entitled to win, but wasn't willing to go out there and do what's needed to earn victories. Did they forget each season starts anew after 2010/11?

This is very troubling, and points to major leadership issues which is why the first move has to be to fire the entire coaching staff. Then the core "leadership" group needs to be examined, remoulded, rebuilt, added to, whatever.

herb wrote:This is very troubling, and points to major leadership issues which is why the first move has to be to fire the entire coaching staff. Then the core "leadership" group needs to be examined, remoulded, rebuilt, added to, whatever.

Yeah.

My view from afar looks like trouble to me.

Sedins aging (when do they hit the can't get it done wall like Naslund, Linden et cetera), Kesler injury prone (?), minimal farm depth, kinda smallish non-aggro group, coaching staff good but played out here, some shitty contracts to deal with and a new cap coming...

It seems like it's closing in on last call and the Canucks might just be going home alone.

herb wrote:This is very troubling, and points to major leadership issues which is why the first move has to be to fire the entire coaching staff. Then the core "leadership" group needs to be examined, remoulded, rebuilt, added to, whatever.

Yeah.

My view from afar looks like trouble to me.

Sedins aging (when do they hit the can't get it done wall like Naslund, Linden et cetera), Kesler injury prone (?), minimal farm depth, kinda smallish non-aggro group, coaching staff good but played out here, some shitty contracts to deal with and a new cap coming...

It seems like it's closing in on last call and the Canucks might just be going home alone.

Again.

If you were going to pick a year to move core guys for 1st rounders(while they still have some value---ahem... Flames)...this would be the one. An exceptionally deep draft(supposedly) looms ahead and sometimes it takes an honest eye from management to recognize when your goose is cooked. This would also be an admission of failure, so this course of action likely doesn't happen without a change at the top.

herb wrote:This is very troubling, and points to major leadership issues which is why the first move has to be to fire the entire coaching staff. Then the core "leadership" group needs to be examined, remoulded, rebuilt, added to, whatever.

Yeah.

My view from afar looks like trouble to me.

Sedins aging (when do they hit the can't get it done wall like Naslund, Linden et cetera), Kesler injury prone (?), minimal farm depth, kinda smallish non-aggro group, coaching staff good but played out here, some shitty contracts to deal with and a new cap coming...

It seems like it's closing in on last call and the Canucks might just be going home alone.

Sedins aging (when do they hit the can't get it done wall like Naslund, Linden et cetera), Kesler injury prone (?), minimal farm depth, kinda smallish non-aggro group, coaching staff good but played out here, some shitty contracts to deal with and a new cap coming...

It seems like it's closing in on last call and the Canucks might just be going home alone.

There are still some very good pieces, but the overhaul this team needs is substantial. The goal has been to be competitive every year like Detroit, but to continue to do so, the Canucks need a serious injection of youth. I'm talking four or five early 20-something guys who can contribute every night and bring some much needed life to this group. Maybe Jensen and Gaunce can contribute next year, but either way reinforcements definitely need to be brought in from other organizations in the form of bold moves.