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Beau08

Does anyone here know of an online resource that catalogs all mission lithos that were available to the public for Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, ASTP, and Skylab?

herranzc

Such a list would be a useful resource.

heng44

Years ago I obtained a CD made by a collector who scanned all lithos up to that time. I don't think it has a list, but it does have pictures of all the lithos (at least the first 2-300 or so). I'll see if I can find it.

Spaceguy5

I think it would be nice to have a digital archive of these.

Beau08

I think that some sort of unofficial database of known NASA issued lithos would be great. Something along the lines of what Chris Spain does for patches and astronaut portraits would be a good start with cSers contributing info to build the database.

Does anyone know of someone who was part of the NASA public relations department that printed and distributed the lithos? It would be interesting to get inside info on the numbering system and quantities issued. Are certain lithos much rarer than others?

I too am limited on a technical basis, but am willing to help anyway I can like contributing info or data entry.

heng44

Okay, I found the CD and I have uploaded the complete contents to my Dropbox.

It also contains individual medium-res scans of all the lithos. Remember that I obtained this many years ago, so it is not up to date. Also, I forgot who sent it to me, so I don't know who to credit for all the work.

Beau08

That is awesome...Thank you (and CD maker) so much for making this available. I downloaded and it came out perfect. I'm really only interested in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo through ASTP so this is up to date for my needs. Man there are WAY more than I thought.

Beau08

Found this that probably was the origin of this list from March of 2002:

For sometime now, I have always wanted to put together a reference guide for NASA lithographs. I got together with a fellow member Roger Waterbury and we have finished the first MSCL (Manned Spacecraft Center Litho) CD-ROM. The CD-ROM has 105 scans which include the front and back of each lithograph. We have also included certain variations of some of the lithographs. In addition, there is a hard copy of the description of each litho.

This CD-ROM is FREE to registered members of collectSPACE.com. Roger and I believe that this forum should be used to share and exchange information whenever possible. In the near future, we hope to put together reference guides for HqL, JSCL, JSCCL etc.

Lasv3

Excellent catalogue, thanks a lot!

Beau08

This CD is a wonderful resource for identifying lithographs thanks again for making it available. There are some missing ones however. Does anyone have an example of the JSCL 101-104, and MSCL 84 lithos? Thanks for any help.

Lasv3

In my opinion they remained simply vacant — from whatever reason. With that amount of lithos it was easily possible to omit something.

On the other hand there are two JSCL-113 lithos, one is Skylab 4 crew and the other is STS-41D crew, which (STS) is completely misplaced with this number. Just proof that there worked "only" human beings in NASA PR as well.

heng44

In the 1980s I tried to complete my litho collection by requesting the missing numbers from the JSC public affairs office. They sent me what was on my list with a few exceptions and told me that some numbers were 'voided', as they called it. I don't have that letter anymore, so I can't say which numbers.

Beau08

Thanks for the info. Did you ever complete your collection of lithos? Which ones are the most difficult to come by? I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them.

heng44

Yes, I had a pretty complete litho collection up to the first few Shuttle flights. After that I traded them in for the real photo versions in most cases. When I was collecting them there was no internet, so all I could do was request them from NASA. Some of the early ones were no longer available by that time, such as the original Apollo 13 crew.

Mike Dixon

quote:Originally posted by Beau08:I have never seen a MSCL-1 or 2 come to market since I have been collecting them.

MSCL 1 is really rare. MSCL 2 (despite the fact that the code isn't printed on every released litho) is the Apollo 1 crew.

Beau08

Is it common for some of these lithos to have the Id numbers printed on some but not others? I have three of the lithos from the list provided by heng44 of Gemini and they match exactly except the MSCL # on front lower left. Any particular reason for this?

benfairfax

A particular MSCL litho may or may not have a number on the front or back or not have one. I have several examples of these. Some are rarer than others which ads to the joy of collecting!

carl walker

I just began a massive reorganisation of my signed photos and lithos. I've had some great contact with very helpful fellow cSPACE'rs on this subject... e.g. rare examples, JSCL numbers, etc.

I've seen that some lists were in preparation a few years back, listing HqL and JSCIL numbers, does anyone know how these progressed? Where could I get a copy?

Another question, I got a list of MSCL and JSCL lithos (thanks!), but note the list starts at JSCL105. I have some lithos with JSCL-5, 025, 027 and 028 (Group 4 astronauts, Seven original with F-102, Group 3 and Group 1 and 2 respectively). Anyone know what's missing of if there's a reason for the gap?

Third question, I have just pulled together my WSS lithos, you know the ones, James A McDivitt, Jim Irwin, etc. with no numbers. Does anyone know of a classification system NASA used, when these were printed or have an overview of which astronauts WSS lithos (no number) exist?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

Tykeanaut

I have a 6x4-inch 182 page booklet produced in 1976 by NASA called "Space Photography 1976 Index."

It lists various B&W and colour photos available for many missions complete with an identification reference. Does anyone else have or remember this book I wonder?

carl walker

Yes I have the book, NP-104, the 1987 edition. It lists photo nos., which is great, but not litho numbers.

Mike Dixon

If you think HqL MSCL JSCL and JSCIL litho numbering systems are in any way disorganised or confusing, don't go anywhere near LG coded releases.

carl walker

Thanks for the tip Mike! But that's like a red rag to a bull...

Blackarrow

From memory, is the official Apollo 12 crew portrait the only MSCL/JSCL crew portrait which doesn't actually state "Prime Crew of the [sixth] manned Apollo mission" (or words to that effect) below the picture?

Any reason?

billewald

I'm trying to find a website that will identify NASA serial numbered photos and the missions they pertain too. I've tried a Google search but I'm not always successful.Thank you!