From my reading about the Sunbody Hats it seemed as though the main gripe about the hats were that it was somewhat warm to wear in the heat,so I figured I would try the vented hat to get around that issue.

When Making the Pugs what material do most like to use?

And I see that some use pins to hold them to the hat,some use hooks and some just tie on.

I wonder which method would best serve the purpose of being able to quickly and easily change to a different color band?

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You might want to start out with just a bandana. Pugs are not as easy to make as you think. You can buy the kind of pugs you are talking about making pretty cheap:

To make a good pug requires a lot of cutting & sewing to get the pattern to work. They are often made from neckties. Check out the old posts of MikesPens here on FL. He has some beautiful pugs on his Panama's. I think some of them were made for him by Bob at BSHW from ties & other fabric Mike provided. Not easy to do if you want something nice.

They aren't exactly the coolest hat to wear. In all honesty wearing a hat in the heat isn't ideal when wanting to keep cool anyway, other than keeping the sun off your head, which the SunBodys excel at. As I mentioned before, the nice thing about them that you can't necessarily get away with with other hats is that you can soak them, which does obviously provide some comfort in the summer heat, and also maintains the "health" of the palm.

As far as pugs go, I have no experience in working with them, so I will leave any further advice to the experts.

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I cant imagine not wearing a hat or a cap when outside as I have been doing so for over 50 years.
Helps to keep the sun out of a mans eyes and off his head and rain off the head and out of the eyes as well.
Plus if you have to take your hat off you may have hat hair but that is better than looking like you combed your hair with a firecracker because of the wind.

To make a good pug requires a lot of cutting & sewing to get the pattern to work. They are often made from neckties. Check out the old posts of MikesPens here on FL. He has some beautiful pugs on his Panama's. I think some of them were made for him by Bob at BSHW from ties & other fabric Mike provided. Not easy to do if you want something nice.

Other than just calling it a "curled brim" the most common terms are pencil roll and kettle curl. The former being a smaller curl where the edge of the brim points upwards. The latter curling the brim over until the edge points back to the crown.

On some hats the brim goes out straight from the crown while others have quite a curl(?) to them. What is the proper term for that curl?

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Jared/jlee isn't wrong, but I think he might be referencing brim curls that are more specific than what you're thinking of. In general, that upward "curl" as you get closer to the outer edge of a hat's brim is formed on a wood forming block known as a "flange":

The crown of the hat goes through the hole in the center (upside down), the brim is formed to the shape, then it's usually covered with some type of cloth and tied with string/twine to hold it in that position until the felt takes the shape of the flange. These flanges are made in varying sizes and shapes so hatters can create a variety of brim shapes. As such, that upward curl on a hat's brim is often referred to as "the flange" and, depending upon the amount of upward curl, can be referred to as having a "shallow flange", a "deep flange", or anything in-between. On a fedora with a deeper flange it's easier to snap the front of the brim down because the shape puts a bit of tension on the felt, which helps to hold it's shape. Shallow flanges equal less tension, so the brim on a "shallow flange" hat won't snap down or stay in that position as easily.

Jared/jlee isn't wrong, but I think he might be referencing brim curls that are more specific than what you're thinking of. In general, that upward "curl" as you get closer to the outer edge of a hat's brim is formed on a wood forming block known as a "flange":

The crown of the hat goes through the hole in the center (upside down), the brim is formed to the shape, then it's usually covered with some type of cloth and tied with string/twine to hold it in that position until the felt takes the shape of the flange. These flanges are made in varying sizes and shapes so hatters can create a variety of brim shapes. As such, that upward curl on a hat's brim is often referred to as "the flange" and, depending upon the amount of upward curl, can be referred to as having a "shallow flange", a "deep flange", or anything in-between. On a fedora with a deeper flange it's easier to snap the front of the brim down because the shape puts a bit of tension on the felt, which helps to hold it's shape. Shallow flanges equal less tension, so the brim on a "shallow flange" hat won't snap down or stay in that position as easily.

Wow. I sent Landman a PM five days ago, but he didn't reply. Maybe he doesn't see the Lounge much anymore. Does anyone know him personally?
I would like to ask him if he is interested in selling his Marathon 100.

I cant imagine not wearing a hat or a cap when outside as I have been doing so for over 50 years.
Helps to keep the sun out of a mans eyes and off his head and rain off the head and out of the eyes as well.
Plus if you have to take your hat off you may have hat hair but that is better than looking like you combed your hair with a firecracker because of the wind.

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I got the Sunbody hat Saturday ,I got the ventilated open crown 5 1/2 inches tall and had them cut the Brim down to 3 inches and put a Khaki edge on it and a light blue 5/8 hatband.
I put a center crease on the hat with a crown pinch about 2 inches wide.
I first tried a height of 5 inches for the front of the crown,too high ,next I tried a 4 3/4 inch height and looked pretty good,then I tried a 4 1/2 inch crown height and my wife liked that the best so for now anyway that is where it will stay.
fairly shallow dents.
I am to get several different colored bands.
Thinking about trying a 7/8 band.
What do you think ?
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From my reading about the Sunbody Hats it seemed as though the main gripe about the hats were that it was somewhat warm to wear in the heat,so I figured I would try the vented hat to get around that issue.

When Making the Pugs what material do most like to use?

And I see that some use pins to hold them to the hat,some use hooks and some just tie on.

I wonder which method would best serve the purpose of being able to quickly and easily change to a different color band?

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Here's an observation about the vented crown: if the crown pushes down on your hair then the venting may not be as effective as you'd like. My hair stands up straight and i had to steam a pushed up crown in my Akubra Country Club, after that the breeze would go through the hat and through my hair which I noticed was more comfortable as I could then feel the breeze go over my scalp. And, when its hot its just hot and that's that regardless of the hat!

Of course Vic is right! It looks like it needs a good cleaning, but it should be fine then. From your description, my bet is you might have broken a sweat, that is beaded up on the brow a bit there, bro, resulting in salt deposits in the felt. Like this one!