I am independant, but tend to lean Democratic. That being said, Obama is not ready for office and Clinton is a joke. Giuliani is as bad as Hillary, one day (9.11) does not make a career. My vote is for McCain. Experience and bipartisanship is what we need now.

I am independant, but tend to lean Democratic. That being said, Obama is not ready for office and Clinton is a joke. Giuliani is as bad as Hillary, one day (9.11) does not make a career. My vote is for McCain. Experience and bipartisanship is what we need now.

My .02

Jesse

You say that Obama is not ready and that might be but I think he's a fresh breath and that is what we need in my oppinion

You say that Obama is not ready and that might be but I think he's a fresh breath and that is what we need in my oppinion

He is fresh I agree, and I like him a lot. I worry that he will get owned by the experienced politicians out there. I think in 4 years, he will have a good voting record to stand on and he will have more/better connections. I would vote for him after McCain, I would just hate to have him commit career suicide by entering the fray too early.

Hillary's the early front-runner, but she has limitaitons. There are few to no people undecided about Hillary - she has virtually no room to grow. She has to win with the support she had today.

Obama's coming up fast. He's slick and talks a good game. Limousine liberals LOVE him. He's their very own liberal Colin Powell - less the experience and depth.

The real entertaining part of the election runup will be the DNC struggling which way to go. Woman? Black guy? Pick the woman, snub the black guy. Pick the black guy, snub the woman. And they just can't possibly go with a white guy - any white guy over either the woman or black guy, so Kerry, Bayh, Roberts, etc... are all damaged goods. They could nullify themselves out of contention.

How do you think the last six years would have gone if Gore was elected? I'm curious.

I bet there would be a few more soilders alive for starters . . .

I beg to differ.

The US has to command a certain amount of respect. When we don't command that respect, things happen. When Jimmy Carter failed to act presidential (i.e. "large and in-charge"), the Iranians took hostages and gave every second-rate power hope that they could challenge the big dog. US troops are put at risk when third-rate powers think they have a shot.

If 9/11 had happened with Al Gore as president, he would've been overwhelmed - and it would've shown. Even if you hate Dubya, you have to admit he had the right presence after 9/11 - even if it was a bit orchestrated. He was confident and presidential, while still being human. Al Gore would've been more like the woman who was LA governor during/after Katrina. She was neither confident nor in-charge. She was weak and it showed. Al Gore would've been weak, and apologetic, and the US would have lost prestige.

The US has to command a certain amount of respect. When we don't command that respect, things happen. When Jimmy Carter failed to act presidential (i.e. "large and in-charge"), the Iranians took hostages and gave every second-rate power hope that they could challenge the big dog. US troops are put at risk when third-rate powers think they have a shot.

If 9/11 had happened with Al Gore as president, he would've been overwhelmed - and it would've shown. Even if you hate Dubya, you have to admit he had the right presence after 9/11 - even if it was a bit orchestrated. He was confident and presidential, while still being human. Al Gore would've been more like the woman who was LA governor during/after Katrina. She was neither confident nor in-charge. She was weak and it showed. Al Gore would've been weak, and apologetic, and the US would have lost prestige.

Fine slam the electorial college, i dont remember a ground swell of support to disolve it UNTIL AFTER gore lost. The rules are the rules, they have been in place for 225 years, the only one wanting to do a switcheroo was gore and his sore loser supporters. The electoral college did it job to level the interests of big states and small states, just like the house of reps and the senate do for congress.

UN employees: 22
An estimated 75 U.S. civilians have been killed, the most of any international country in Iraq.
8 Canadian civilians have been killed, 1 Red Cross, 1 UN, 1 Christian Children's Fund, 3 contractors, and 2 other

Originally Posted by Mike L View Post
Are you saying the US isnt losing prestige right now?
Yeah, I think our global repuation is the best it's ever been.

They may not like us, or agree with us, but they respect us.

We've always been dogshit in the Middle East (and will remain so) as long as we continue to unquestioningly support Israel in whatever they decide to do. It's more public that it was before - and the Iraq war may have made a small incremental increase in the noise level, but it's still basically the Israel thing - just as it has been for many, many years.

The eurpoeans are torqued off because we moved unilaterally in Iraq - and didn't ask their approval. Big deal. I say we drop out of NATO - they're ready to handle things on their own. And whenever europeans bitch, I like to mention two words: "Marshall Plan".

The North Koreans are POed at us because they're North Koreans, and we (well, the UN, which means us with some token help from elsewhere) prevented them from taking over the entire Korean peninsula. FWIW, they hate everybody else too, although they'll tolerate the Iranians (for weaponry) and Chinese (to keep them above water).

However, despite the prevailing opinion of the uninformed, everything except the european thing predates Dubya.

The US has to command a certain amount of respect. When we don't command that respect, things happen. When Jimmy Carter failed to act presidential (i.e. "large and in-charge"), the Iranians took hostages and gave every second-rate power hope that they could challenge the big dog. US troops are put at risk when third-rate powers think they have a shot.

If 9/11 had happened with Al Gore as president, he would've been overwhelmed - and it would've shown. Even if you hate Dubya, you have to admit he had the right presence after 9/11 - even if it was a bit orchestrated. He was confident and presidential, while still being human. Al Gore would've been more like the woman who was LA governor during/after Katrina. She was neither confident nor in-charge. She was weak and it showed. Al Gore would've been weak, and apologetic, and the US would have lost prestige.

That my be but I believe that if Al Gore was in office there would not have been a 9/11

That my be but I believe that if Al Gore was in office there would not have been a 9/11

You're likely correct....it would've been along the lines of 6/11. While the response from the Bush Administration was an unknown, the response from a Gore Administration was. It would have been the same foot-dragging, weak-kneed, "lets-talk-about-this" BS that Clinton used so ineffectively.

You're likely correct....it would've been along the lines of 6/11. While the response from the Bush Administration was an unknown, the response from a Gore Administration was. It would have been the same foot-dragging, weak-kneed, "lets-talk-about-this" BS that Clinton used so ineffectively.

They would have been running america like ever poilitician does instead of planning a terrorist attack that would bring america to a standstill in order to push through their adgenda? But that is the past and I"m looking towards the future.