“Greece has offered an almost unconditional surrender on its bailout, but Germany might not accept anything less than a Carthaginian peace. In other words, a deal that not only forces Athens to submit, but also humiliates it in the process.”

“This latest melodrama, playing out in Brussels as European finance ministers meet to discuss whether or not to approve a new Greek bailout, appears so nonsensical that it can be hard to believe these people are deciding the future of Europe. Although you wouldn’t know it from the headlines, the truth is that Greece and Europe have been close to a deal for awhile now. Both sides agreed about how much austerity Athens should do, but disagreed about how Athens should do it—at least until last Thursday. That’s when Greece came up with an offer that was not only nearly identical to Europe’s, but also to the one its people had just rejected in a referendum. French Prime Minister François Hollande, whose government helped put together the proposal, called it a “serious” and “credible” one. At the very least, it seemed like the basis for new negotiations.

But maybe not. The problem is that Greece’s economy is in so much worse shape now than it was even a few weeks ago that the tax hikes and spending cuts, which would have produced a 1 percent budget surplus before, won’t anymore. That’s what happens , after all, when the European Central Bank pulls enough of the plug on your banks that they have to close their doors for now to avoid having to close their doors for good. Businesses can’t get the credit they need to, well, stay in business, and will then default on the banks that are about to go out of business themselves. The entire economy, in other words, shuts down. And that’s why Europe estimates that Greece would actually need an 82 billion euro bailout—with 25 billion of that going to its banks—instead of the 53.5 billion euros Athens is asking for. So Greece would have to do more austerity than Europe wanted before to get more money than Europe was offering before.

Germany says no to Greece debt cut

There is resistance among many German conservatives over Greece’s new reform proposal. It comes ahead of meetings this weekend which could decide the country’s currency future. (Reuters) If, that is, Europe is even offering Greece any money anymore. It might not be. The simple story is that Germany and the other hardline countries don’t trust Greece’s anti-austerity Syriza party to actually implement, well, austerity. And so rather than coughing up another 60 or 70 or 80 billion euros, they seem to want to push to kick Greece out of the common currency instead. That, at least, was the plan that leaked on Saturday. Now, officials say the leaked plan never was circulated at the meeting of finance ministers, but the Wall Street Journal reports it was sent to other countries for consideration, which is a sign of its seriousness. Its very existence at least shows what top German officials really are considering.

Under the proposal, the only way Germany would let Greece stay in the euro now is if it sells 50 billion euros of “very valuable Greek assets,” allows international observers to monitor its bailout, and puts automatic spending cuts in place in case it misses its deficit targets. Otherwise, Germany wants Greece to take at least a five year “timeout” from the euro, during which time its debts could be restructured and it could receive humanitarian aid. The entire proposal was less than a page long.

In case there was any doubt, this is an offer Greece can’t accept. Sure, selling assets would lower Greece’s debt today, but it would make the rest of Greece’s debt harder to pay back tomorrow—which, according to the International Monetary Fund, is already unpayable. It’s the kind of thing you ask for if you want Athens to say no.

But does that mean Germany really wants to get rid of Greece or is this just a ploy to get more concessions out of Greece? Yes. The problem is it’s hard to know what Chancellor Angela Merkel really wants. Up till now, she’s been willing to do whatever the least is to keep Greece in the euro, but her finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble has been pushing her to give them the boot. That’s let them play a pretty effective good-cop, bad-cop to get the most out of Athens, but this time that’s turned into bad-cop, worse-cop. Schäuble’s plan—and it is his plan—for Greece to “temporarily” exit the euro reportedly has Merkel’s backing. There are even rumors it has Finland, the Netherlands, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and Slovenia’s support as well.

If Greece does leave the euro, though, it will only be temporary in the sense that all life is temporary. Bringing back the drachma would either be such a boon to Greece’s economy that it’d never want to go back to the euro, or be such a disaster that Europe would never want to invite it back. But in either case, Greece and Europe’s trial separation would turn into a divorce. That might actually be better for Greece now that it’s already gone through a lot of the pain of ditching the euro—like a financial crisis—but it could be a catastrophe for Europe. It wouldn’t just show that countries can leave the euro, but maybe that countries have to leave the euro to recover. So the next time an anti-austerity party wins power, it might decide to do the same, at which point the euro zone would be more like a northern euro zone, if that. Especially if France decides that this makes the euro not worth saving anymore.”

Carthaginian Peace

The modern use of the term was until now reserved to Germany after WWI and WWII:

“Carthaginian Peace is the imposition of a very brutal ‘peace’ by completely crushing the enemy. It derives from the peace imposed on Carthage by Rome. After the Second Punic War, Carthage lost all its colonies, was forced to demilitarize, pay a constant tribute to Rome and could not enter war without Rome’s permission. At the end of the Third Punic War the Romans systematically burned Carthage to the ground and enslaved its population.

The term refers to the outcome of a series of wars between Rome and the Phoenician city of Carthage, known as the Punic Wars. The two empires fought three separate wars against each other, beginning in 264 BC and ending in 146 BC.

At the end of the Third Punic War, the Romans laid siege to Carthage. When they took the city, they killed most of the inhabitants, sold the rest into slavery, and destroyed the entire city. Some modern accounts say they plowed over the city and sowed the ground with salt, but this is not supported by ancient sources.

By extension, the term “Carthaginian Peace” can refer to any brutal peace treaty demanding total subjugation of the defeated side.

Modern use of the term is often extended to any peace settlement in which the peace terms are overly harsh and designed to perpetuate the inferiority of the loser. Thus many (the economist John Maynard Keynes among them[2]) deemed the post-WWI Treaty of Versailles to be a “Carthaginian Peace.” The post-WWII Morgenthau Plan might be described as a Carthaginian Peace, as it advocated the ‘pastoralization’ (de-industrialization) of Germany following her 1945 defeat in World War II. The Morgenthau Plan was dropped in favor of the Marshall Plan (1948–1952),

General Lucius D. Clay, deputy to general Dwight D. Eisenhower who in 1945 was military governor of the U.S. occupation Zone in Germany, and who would go on to replace Eisenhower as governor and as commander in chief, U.S. Forces in Europe, would later remark regarding the occupation directive guiding his and General Eisenhower’s actions in occupied Germany: “there was no doubt that JCS 1067 contemplated the Carthaginian peace which dominated our operations in Germany during the early months of occupation. This is while the US was following the Morgenthau Plan.” (Wikipedia)