Jablonski: UD's Neil Sullivan talked to me about state of @DaytonMBB, scheduling, the A-10, etc. On Anthony Grant, Sullivan said, "He has a maniacal focus on developing our current players and just relentlessly recruiting new talent to the program. He aims high."https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/sp...mEWLbrEuixfdK/

In response to a tweet about the article. Jablonski says they are dotting the I's and crossing the t's on the schedule and that it should be released soon.

After looking at the schedule it looks like I will only be attending one non-conference game at UD Arena. Mississippi St is the only team that even remotely excites me enough to make the 3 hour round trip.

Detroit should be much improved since they just hired Mike Davis... Guys this is not bad... B4A Loaded, a top 25 team at home and one on the road, a solid game on a neutral court, IPFW is always a decent mid major team as is Western.

What did you guys expect... we were coming off 14-17... What massive teams would come here this year? lol

It just feels like the goalposts keep moving. We could have played a 16/15 this year, and we still would have gotten the requisite 16 home games, instead we schedule yet another buy game for 17 home games.

It just feels like the goalposts keep moving. We could have played a 16/15 this year, and we still would have gotten the requisite 16 home games, instead we schedule yet another buy game for 17 home games.

17 home, 14 away/neutral.

Who says the goalposts moved? The old adage, "it takes two to tango" could have come into play here.

#3 on the list- 3. New face: Meadowdale High School graduate Jabali Leonard worked out with the team. He is trying to make the roster as a walk-on guard.

I have not seen him play, but a friend who knows his hoops quite well (coached girls hoops at the college level) has seen him play. For what it is worth, he says the kids BB IQ matches his off the court IQ, and says Jabali will contribute this season and will see the court for the Flyers.

People complained about the non-con last year too. Then we had a top-5 SOS.

Neil Sullivan is a scheduling genius and I trust him a lot more than any of you muppets.

It was also #118 according to KenPom with Auburn being the only team with an at-large caliber resume that we faced. Neil did a great job getting a bunch of buy games in 100-150 range and avoiding 300+ anchors, but there wasn't a lot opportunities for the signature wins we would need.

It was also #118 according to KenPom with Auburn being the only team with an at-large caliber resume that we faced. Neil did a great job getting a bunch of buy games in 100-150 range and avoiding 300+ anchors, but there wasn't a lot opportunities for the signature wins we would need.

Can you explain to me the reason for the very big difference between the KenPom ncsos ranking and the ncsos? 4 vs. 118.

#3 on the list- 3. New face: Meadowdale High School graduate Jabali Leonard worked out with the team. He is trying to make the roster as a walk-on guard.

I have not seen him play, but a friend who knows his hoops quite well (coached girls hoops at the college level) has seen him play. For what it is worth, he says the kids BB IQ matches his off the court IQ, and says Jabali will contribute this season and will see the court for the Flyers.

He led Dayton city league in scoring last season at 23 points per gam

If I got the correct Twitter line Mr. Leonard was selected 1st Team SW Ohio and 3rd Team All Ohio Div 2

Dirk is correct in stating that the non-conference SOS has its flaws. It only takes into account the won-lost records of who you played, not where you played the game, not the outcome of the game, and most importantly, not the strength of the team you played. For instance, for non-conference SOS purposes, a game at home against 9-6 Penn has a more positive impact on non-conference SOS than a game on the road against 7-5 Indiana because winning 9/15 games is a better decimal than winning 7/12.

Non-conference SOS is not a predominant tool in selections.

Again, while non-conference SOS is a number referred to by the committee and the public, it is not the non-conference SOS that the committee looks at but the non-conference games with specifics that the committee looks at. Did you give the committee a picture of whether or not you should be in consideration for an at-large spot or a high seed in the tournament if you did not win your conference tournament?

Dirk is correct in stating that the non-conference SOS has its flaws. It only takes into account the won-lost records of who you played, not where you played the game, not the outcome of the game, and most importantly, not the strength of the team you played. For instance, for non-conference SOS purposes, a game at home against 9-6 Penn has a more positive impact on non-conference SOS than a game on the road against 7-5 Indiana because winning 9/15 games is a better decimal than winning 7/12.

Who says the goalposts moved? The old adage, "it takes two to tango" could have come into play here.

The A10 needs to set up a yearly challenge with the American or Mountain West or maybe CUSA.

I understand that the scheduling environment is getting more difficult by the day due to the p5 move to 18 and 20 game league schedules, and I am sympathetic to that fact. But, we can't find anybody decent to agree to play one more home and home series? The A10 is getting weaker, not stronger, we need to compensate for that.

We had an extra game to burn this year, just roll the dice and take a chance on playing a home and home vs. a non-p5 school that might end up being good.

It is just going to be difficult going forward to get better than a 7 seed and consistently advance past the 2nd round, unless we start to dominate the A10 and become the next Gonzaga or Butler or Creighton, and I am not sure that is possible, due to the
A10 being a tougher league than those 3 leagues.

We had arguably the hottest young coach in the country for 6 years, and we topped out at a 7 seed, and only got past the 2nd round once.

We need to get down to about a 5 seed if we want to consistently challenge for the Sweet 16 or better.

The A10 needs to set up a yearly challenge with the American or Mountain West or maybe CUSA.

I understand that the scheduling environment is getting more difficult by the day due to the p5 move to 18 and 20 game league schedules, and I am sympathetic to that fact. But, we can't find anybody decent to agree to play one more home and home series? The A10 is getting weaker, not stronger, we need to compensate for that.

We had an extra game to burn this year, just roll the dice and take a chance on playing a home and home vs. a non-p5 school that might end up being good.

It is just going to be difficult going forward to get better than a 7 seed and consistently advance past the 2nd round, unless we start to dominate the A10 and become the next Gonzaga or Butler or Creighton, and I am not sure that is possible, due to the
A10 being a tougher league than those 3 leagues.

We had arguably the hottest young coach in the country for 6 years, and we topped out at a 7 seed, and only got past the 2nd round once.

We need to get down to about a 5 seed if we want to consistently challenge for the Sweet 16 or better.

Compared to almost all other non-p5 schools, our schedule is generally very good. I just wish that we would take a flyer every now and then on an additional non-p5 home and home series.

Of last year's non-p5 top 100, I could only find about 4 teams IMO that really scheduled more than 5 decent, winnable away/neutral games, in order to get to 15 or more away/neutral games...Illinois State, Temple, New Mexico State, and Vermont.

It is slim pickens now, the p5 is destroying college basketball by trying to freeze everybody else out. The non-p5 schools need to start scheduling each other more, it is the only remaining option.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Rhode Island

RHODE ISLAND
The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

St Joseph's

ST. JOSEPH'S
Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

Duquesne

DUQUESNE
Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

LaSalle

LA SALLE
In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

LaSalle

LA SALLE
In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

Rasmussen says a lot of things. Not all of them necessarily true, which has confounded ADs all across the country about the annual moving goalposts. Rasmussen and others have stated emphatically that your resume' against the top schools are what matter -- in other words who have you beaten and who have beaten you. Did you capitalize on your chances. This was the entire point of creating the four Group win categories so they could better determine who is getting the job done against the tourney caliber teams on your schedule both home and away.

Creighton went 2-10 vs the Group 1 teams. They beat Nova at home and that whitewashed everything they else did or didnt do. And its not like they snuck into the bracket. They were a #8 seed.

2-10 is atrocious given their apparent talent. Didnt beat a single Top-50 team on the road.

The committee says one thing publicly, then do other things inside the war room -- and its not just UD taking issue with it. Schools like UD just want a straight answer so they can shoot at a fair target. When the target moves after you've pulled the trigger, it turns into a fairgrounds carnival game.

Perhaps Creighton was still a tourney team, but their seed and Rasmussen's connection to Creighton draws all kinds of frustration from others on the outside looking in. And Creighton is just one example. Next year, the metrics may once again change.

We've been in the mock selection room and listened to the discussions. There is certainly bias in there with sportswriters and they watch as many games as the committee members do.

All you have to do in order to refute any algebra is to simply say "well they pass the look test" or "they appear to be gaining steam" and your team suddenly has traction. Its up to the other people in the room to more or less vote your convictions down. If you're a smooth talker, it doesnt always happen. Definitely salesmanship going on. And I dont even begrudge some of it. Its human nature. You cant take human bias out of a product designed and orchestrated by humans. But there needs to be more accountability when the public statements contradicts the resulting brackets. That's the only leverage the public (and those left out of the bracket) have to ensure the race into the bracket is indeed a level playing field.

Creighton went 2-10 vs the Group 1 teams. They beat Nova at home and that whitewashed everything they else did or didnt do. And its not like they snuck into the bracket. They were a #8 seed.

Perhaps Creighton was still a tourney team, but their seed and Rasmussen's connection to Creighton draws all kinds of frustration from others on the outside looking in. And Creighton is just one example. Next year, the metrics may once again change.

First team out on the Dance Card, yet averaged a 9 seed on the bracket matrix. That does seem to point to great inconsistency by the selection committee.

Rasmussen says a lot of things. Not all of them necessarily true, which has confounded ADs all across the country about the annual moving goalposts. Rasmussen and others have stated emphatically that your resume' against the top schools are what matter -- in other words who have you beaten and who have beaten you. Did you capitalize on your chances. This was the entire point of creating the four Group win categories so they could better determine who is getting the job done against the tourney caliber teams on your schedule both home and away.

Creighton went 2-10 vs the Group 1 teams. They beat Nova at home and that whitewashed everything they else did or didnt do. And its not like they snuck into the bracket. They were a #8 seed.

2-10 is atrocious given their apparent talent. Didnt beat a single Top-50 team on the road.

The committee says one thing publicly, then do other things inside the war room -- and its not just UD taking issue with it. Schools like UD just want a straight answer so they can shoot at a fair target. When the target moves after you've pulled the trigger, it turns into a fairgrounds carnival game.

Perhaps Creighton was still a tourney team, but their seed and Rasmussen's connection to Creighton draws all kinds of frustration from others on the outside looking in. And Creighton is just one example. Next year, the metrics may once again change.

We've been in the mock selection room and listened to the discussions. There is certainly bias in there with sportswriters and they watch as many games as the committee members do.

All you have to do in order to refute any algebra is to simply say "well they pass the look test" or "they appear to be gaining steam" and your team suddenly has traction. Its up to the other people in the room to more or less vote your convictions down. If you're a smooth talker, it doesnt always happen. Definitely salesmanship going on. And I dont even begrudge some of it. Its human nature. You cant take human bias out of a product designed and orchestrated by humans. But there needs to be more accountability when the public statements contradicts the resulting brackets. That's the only leverage the public (and those left out of the bracket) have to ensure the race into the bracket is indeed a level playing field.

With what happened Middle Tennessee this year and St. Bonnie getting RPI doesn't hold much weight alone.

I think what he says it's on SOS was borne out in the selection process this year. It's about stacking up quad 1/2 wins. It's better to play to a Penn or Georgia State for a buy game but playing them versus Coppin State or Detroit is out on the margins for a program like Dayton

Buy games are on the margin, gaming the RPI by playing good teams for buys is worthy if you can do it but the supposed elite OOC SOS Dayton had last year wasn't fooling anyone but Dayton fans

Beat good teams, collect high quality scalps and get your reward in March

The beauty of non-conference scheduling is it expresses the confidence or lack thereof that the Coach and AD have in the team. While they did well with 6 of the 13 opportunities they selected the third worst team in the final Sagarin poll (Coppin State) the 12th lowest rated team (Presbyterian) the 39th lowest (Detroit Mercy) and the 64th lowest ranked team (North Florida). This seems to suggest that Dayton will not finish in the top half of the A-10 in the opinion of it's leadership.

The beauty of non-conference scheduling is it expresses the confidence or lack thereof that the Coach and AD have in the team. While they did well with 6 of the 13 opportunities they selected the third worst team in the final Sagarin poll (Coppin State) the 12th lowest rated team (Presbyterian) the 39th lowest (Detroit Mercy) and the 64th lowest ranked team (North Florida). This seems to suggest that Dayton will not finish in the top half of the A-10 in the opinion of it's leadership.

They did not select Coppin State, CS was forced on us as the forth game in the B for A tournament. Please get your facts straight before you make judgements on the leadership. Agree some of the buy games leave something to be desired

Rasmussen says a lot of things. Not all of them necessarily true, which has confounded ADs all across the country about the annual moving goalposts. Rasmussen and others have stated emphatically that your resume' against the top schools are what matter -- in other words who have you beaten and who have beaten you. Did you capitalize on your chances. This was the entire point of creating the four Group win categories so they could better determine who is getting the job done against the tourney caliber teams on your schedule both home and away.

Creighton went 2-10 vs the Group 1 teams. They beat Nova at home and that whitewashed everything they else did or didnt do. And its not like they snuck into the bracket. They were a #8 seed.

2-10 is atrocious given their apparent talent. Didnt beat a single Top-50 team on the road.

The committee says one thing publicly, then do other things inside the war room -- and its not just UD taking issue with it. Schools like UD just want a straight answer so they can shoot at a fair target. When the target moves after you've pulled the trigger, it turns into a fairgrounds carnival game.

Perhaps Creighton was still a tourney team, but their seed and Rasmussen's connection to Creighton draws all kinds of frustration from others on the outside looking in. And Creighton is just one example. Next year, the metrics may once again change.

We've been in the mock selection room and listened to the discussions. There is certainly bias in there with sportswriters and they watch as many games as the committee members do.

All you have to do in order to refute any algebra is to simply say "well they pass the look test" or "they appear to be gaining steam" and your team suddenly has traction. Its up to the other people in the room to more or less vote your convictions down. If you're a smooth talker, it doesnt always happen. Definitely salesmanship going on. And I dont even begrudge some of it. Its human nature. You cant take human bias out of a product designed and orchestrated by humans. But there needs to be more accountability when the public statements contradicts the resulting brackets. That's the only leverage the public (and those left out of the bracket) have to ensure the race into the bracket is indeed a level playing field.

Originally Posted by Chris R

The #9 seeds in last year's NCAA tournament had an average non-con SOS of #235.