On Greys Anatomy last week, not the best way to start a sentence, they had a 20 year old Donor Baby (all grown up) living still with the responsibility of handing out organs and suchwhat to her irresponsible thrill seeking action junkie extreme sports sister who doesn't give a damn because she's certain her cancer is going to come back no matter how much of her sister she needs for spare parts.

It was really messed up (depressing) listening to the donor sister talking about how she doesn't have a choice, and it's what she was born for and that she "feels" that she isn't allowed to say "no" becuase she's not a real person moreso than a toolbox... I think thay went as far as saying "I only think my parents love me when I'm saving my sister."`

What if Tuvix killed himself out of spite?

Assuming that they couldn't wring an alive Tuvok and Neelix out of a dead Tuvix.

(I must have had this idea before because I can feel myself reaching for the Blazing saddles quote where Cleavon little takes himself hostage, and I know I've cut and pasted that before.)

Why kill himself when he can be in a perpetual state of almost pulling the trigger?

That's a sad scenario you lay out there Guy. I have no doubt at all she feels objectified and a sense of obligation to get cut up whenever her sister needs it. Tuvix had that same sense of obligation and certainly everyone else objectified him. When Tuvix said no, they said screw you and cut him up anyways. If the girl said no, they'd probably be pissed as all hell but I doubt they'd drag her to the hospital, strap her to the bed and cut away. That would be a criminal act of the first order. And it doesn't even involve -killing- the girl. Heck, if the girl said kill me, take my heart for my sister... that would be illegal and a doctor would lose his license if he did that to say nothing of criminal charges.

Tuvix committing suicide.... that would be a selfish act... but in a world where he's objectified and his life isn't of any more value than to get two other people back.... I could see the desperation that suicide is the only thing that -he- can choose.

I just watched this episode for the first time today and thought "maybe I'll log on to the Voyager forum to see what discussion there may have been." Woah, I wasn't expecting this thread! Obviously, years later, the debate continues. As for myself, I don't believe there is one right answer. It's a moral dilemma that I'm glad I didn't have to participate in. I can really see the arguments both ways.

I don't believe there is one right answer. It's a moral dilemma that I'm glad I didn't have to participate in. I can really see the arguments both ways.

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Indeed! Janeway was luck the combination of the new entity was from Tuvok and Neelix. Neelix had no family beyond the Voyager crew, and Tuvok's wife and children would have at least given her decision, to keep Tuvix whole, the blessing of "Yes, a logical decision".

But imagine if the combined creature was of Tom Paris and Naomi Wildman? Janeway would had had to continue working with Samantha Wildman, and eventually have to meet and work with Admiral Paris, upon her return to UFP space, and attempt to explain her decision to Greskrendtregk (Naomi's father).

So Kes dumps Neelix when she's almost three, but the poor girl is on a ticking clock that after she hits three, a biological clock is going to dong (pun, totally intended.) and the Ocampan is going to need to find a bloke unless she's going to pass on motherhood.

On Friends, the Lesbians called Ross "Bobo The Sperm Guy."

Is Neelix excluded to service her becuase of their failed relationship?

Or at the top of the list to service her because of their successful relationship?

But, that year's like a decade to her. Neelix was stupid to be involved with someone whose psychological development should work like a hyper-caffeinated squirrel on an amphetamine high. For Kes, yesterday really is like so last year.