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Re: Elvis and drugs

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:02 pm

Xaykev wrote:Yes, Elvis didn't only do prescription drugs, he also tried/used LSD, marijuhana and cocaine. LSD he reportedly only tried once, but marijuhana and cocaine (mostly liquid, but a few times as powder) he certainly used more than once.

So he couldn't be totally against illegal drugs, that's for sure.

ep2 wrote:the fans still want to believe he only used pills.........wake up it was the seventies....everbody used all kind of drugs and also ep.........so what the Rolling Stones all those bands and singers...didn't use only vitamins

Everybody used all kind of drugs? Really?

I often wondered whether he was on liquid cocaine during College Park in 1974. I am from the Amsterdam erea and I saw quite some people using cocaine. The way Elvis speaks "... Before may of people..." and those incoherent, lavish monologues sure sound like it, although it is all speculation ofcourse.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:15 pm

Alexander wrote:

Xaykev wrote:Yes, Elvis didn't only do prescription drugs, he also tried/used LSD, marijuhana and cocaine. LSD he reportedly only tried once, but marijuhana and cocaine (mostly liquid, but a few times as powder) he certainly used more than once.

So he couldn't be totally against illegal drugs, that's for sure.

ep2 wrote:the fans still want to believe he only used pills.........wake up it was the seventies....everbody used all kind of drugs and also ep.........so what the Rolling Stones all those bands and singers...didn't use only vitamins

Everybody used all kind of drugs? Really?

I often wondered whether he was on liquid cocaine during College Park in 1974. I am from the Amsterdam erea and I saw quite some people using cocaine. The way Elvis speaks "... Before may of people..." and those incoherent, lavish monologues sure sound like it, although it is all speculation ofcourse.

You wanna see and hear some great examples of cocaine use ?

Check out some David Lee Roth clips on youtube, not even the Doc would understand his intellect !

Re: Elvis and drugs

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:27 am

minkahed wrote:You wanna see and hear some great examples of cocaine use ?

Check out some David Lee Roth clips on youtube, not even the Doc would understand his intellect !

No sorry, seen enough around here. Was just curious to what drug or prescribed medication others relate College Park to.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:53 am

I think the trick is that yes Elvis had bad problems with addiction, but not every story on it is going to be told in the right light. It's not white washing at this point, it's more trying to find info on it presented with compassion. When it comes to Elvis' friends most try to make it like they were the one person who tried to help. The fact is that many had problems nearly as bad as him, yet there often seems to be a disconnect as some have been quite judgemental of him in public.

It's something most people have judged him on too long and it doesn't make him any less of a human being or negate any of his quality music. Once again I have to say it is wrong to call anyone with a problem a junkie. Do we forget that he was a human being? A flawed one in many ways, but a real person with real feelings.

No there is nothing to hide or be ashamed of, but name calling a man who achieved so many great things in his life and made all our lives better in the process deserves a little respect.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:13 am

Mike Eder wrote:I think the trick is that yes Elvis had bad problems with addiction, but not every story on it is going to be told in the right light. It's not white washing at this point, it's more trying to find info on it presented with compassion. When it comes to Elvis' friends most try to make it like they were the one person who tried to help. The fact is that many had problems nearly as bad as him, yet there often seems to be a disconnect as some have been quite judgemental of him in public.

It's something most people have judged him on too long and it doesn't make him any less of a human being or negate any of his quality music. Once again I have to say it is wrong to call anyone with a problem a junkie. Do we forget that he was a human being? A flawed one in many ways, but a real person with real feelings.

No there is nothing to hide or be ashamed of, but name calling a man who achieved so many great things in his life and made all our lives better in the process deserves a little respect.

here, here.........

Re: Elvis and drugs

Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:31 pm

The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:35 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

it didn't affect his performance

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:46 am

rjm wrote:...................Little kids, ALL little kids (far as I know) spin themselves around, to make themselves dizzy). It's part of our make-up as humans, I guess. To alter consciousness, to feel a buzz, that feels good..........rjm

I can tell you truthfully that as a kid I never liked to spin around. All the other kids made fun of me for not getting on the merry go round or riding spinning rides at the amusement park. Maybe the fact that I have always had problems with "Vertigo" makes me different than most kids. I do not know. But I think anytime the all inclusive word "ALL" is used that it is most certainly a false statement or a hasty generalization for there is almost always an exception to every rule. I have never experienced a "buzz" in my entire life. I know, I must have had a very boring exsistence; that is what all of my friends and relatives think. I just wanted to add my two cents. Take care.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:16 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

Did you ever listen to closing night from september 1973?

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:17 pm

Elvisgirl wrote:

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

it didn't affect his performance

What do you mean?

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:24 pm

Elvisgirl wrote:

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

it didn't affect his performance

He was way too SEXY to let drugs affect his performance, like ever.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:39 pm

samses wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

it didn't affect his performance

What do you mean?

what i mean is, i don't hear it

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:41 pm

Elvisgirl wrote:

samses wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:

jurasic1968 wrote:The drugs affected some Elvis' performances but not until September-Octomber 1974.

it didn't affect his performance

What do you mean?

what i mean is, i don't hear it

... and that my friends is love.

Geoff

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:13 pm

burninglove67 wrote:Such saracism on this site (it's quite annoying most of the time)...for someone new quesitoning Elvis' drug use...what's the big deal...if I was a new Elvis fan I would have questions too...just the same as when I disovered Elvis....many years ago....

I just joined and after reading a few post, I can already see Burninglove67 point. Maybe I made a mistake, we'll see.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:53 pm

im not gonna write loads or repeat what others have said and sadly none of us know what went thru the guys head ! he was amazing but he was just human & he had his faults & demons !

but by about 1970 - he was sadly a FULL blown drug ADDICT, just the same any alcoholic who has to drink everyday just to function, and i actually know all about that as im currently going to AA myself (not that im proud off it at all, in fact im totally ashamed but i nearly lost both my parents & did lose a G/F in the past 6months so vodka became my 'sleeping pill') unfortunately elvis was totally in denial, on the outside at least (remember the story with the denver cops) he WAS totally out of control with his abuse & 'attacks' but he could easily 'justify' his abuse for various reasons! (got a show to do, need to wind down after the show - its all B/S)drugs destroyed elvis and drugs killed elvis - lets not be in-denial about that, im sure he must have known it too = ive always been curious, did he look in the mirror at the end and think "holy sh*t what i have i done to myself " ??????

i would kill to know the answer to that, he MUST have known how far he'd fallen but then when your in that blur/bubble of intoxication, along with denial then i dont know if u/he did see it !!!!!

unfortunately, what starts out as 'recreational'/dabbling & fun (again something i know all about ) becomes a physical & psychological DEPENDANCE that u cant live w/out even if u want too ( & he clearly didnt) the more u abuse, the more your life goes to sh*t so the more depressed & screwed up u become so in turn the more u abuse, whether its drink or drugs ! its a vicious circle that millions of people cant & dont get out off ! it doesnt matter if its vodka, Demerol or cocaine - the ultimate effect & end are the same! which ultimately, whether its 42 or 72 its basically death! the human body can take an extreme amount of abuse & elvis got away with it for yrs but by summer75, something needed to happen & it didnt so when he fell, he fell hard !

had he wanted and/or been persuaded to go into detox/rehab i believe he could have easily reverted back to 1970 elvis but he either didnt see it or want it & no one could tell him , maybe he'd had enough of his life? maybe he REALLY was 'fed up of being elvis presley' ? when u cross that line - its very hard to come back & i dont know if he saw the need too or wanted too and i doubt he had the willpower!BUT HE DIDNT take a few uppers cos he had a 50min show to do and he didnt need to take hardcore INJECTED painkillers for a good nights sleep !

as lamar said "he liked to get ****** up - simple as that" and as sonny said " he had it all in the palm of his hand" - until he wanted to get clean, which he clearly didnt or wasnt capable off - it was just a matter of time really & honestly its amazing he got too & made it thru 74 ! and NO he wasnt 100% clean/pure for 'Aloha' ! i doubt he was even 100% clean after about 1964 (if not way B4)

it breaks my heart to this day that such an amazing man finished up as he did but addicts of what-ever form tend to do that !so so sad but it was way too easy to take the 'dark side' and not seek help (like i said, im not convinced he wanted help anyway) if denials there which it certainly seems to be in his case, theres no helping! only elvis coulda saved elvis, vernon, cilla, red, lamar didnt matter ! its a sad ending to such a dream

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:22 pm

Elvisgirl wrote:i never questioned it...to me, things like that are not important

u gotta be kidding right !!!!! not important !!! wake up, it was drugs & drugs alone that killed our hero at a mere 42 years of age ! the best singer of not only his generation but possibly in musical history fullstop and he destroyed it all because he became a hardcore drug addict , which i dont judge him for because i know all about it and he found it very easy to justify cos he liked to believe it was necessary for his lifestyle and it was moral & legal cos it came from the almighty Dr Nick !!!!!

its not important we lost an amazing artist possibly 30yrs B4 his time? u clearly think very different to me!the difference between ALOHA elvis & CBS elvis is simply drugs & u think thats "not important" lol

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:35 pm

Elvisgirl wrote:what i mean is, i don't hear it

again, your full of sh*t, im not attacking u personally but u clearly have the rose coloured TCB glasses !

i suggest u listen to the last wk of the summer 70 shows and/or the following winter 70 tour shows that clocked in around 45mins cos he was full off amphetamines !

tho he sang superb in 'On TOur' and he looked great at points - texas for example, watch the rehearsal footage = hes full of demorel !

aloha is so inconsistant (some of its AMAZING) some of it totally sucks becos not only had he 'tried' to clean up but he'd crash dieted & then B4 he went on stage, good ole step-bro stanley INJECTED him with a cocktail of B12 (thats ok) and amphetamines tho in spite of that he doesnt seem to 'wake up' until 'big hunk !

and u think there was no problems until what? dragonheart? u heard closing night 73? desert storm? or like i said u can go back to 70 !

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:56 pm

promiseland wrote:

brian wrote:

TJ wrote:

promiseland wrote:As Lamar Fike once said he took drugs "..because he just fuc*ing loved em".

Plain and simple..

Lamar sure said some dumb and unnecessary things in his time. That was one of them.

lamar was there AND ABUSED tooremember lamar also passed vernon on the graceland stairs and vernon stated " i just been fired " lol, lamar wasnt a bad person but he obviously though "WTF - how can/do u fire your father"???

wot concerns me is NOT the 'dragonheart' monologues (& frenchie he was full of prescription UPPERS right then, he hadnt had a joint)but its the fact that in late 76 he was firing shotguns out of his bedroom window at imaginary stakes on the lawn !thats when things are SERIOUS and someones gotta intervene ! shooting a gun @ imaginary snakes is not safe or reasonable behaviour ! whether your the KING or keith richards (whos STILL alive BTW) THATS the point SOMEONE has to step in & try gain some control ?

What's so dumb about it?

A large majority of people who have done drugs do them because they like the feeling it gives them.

Elvis may have started doing drugs to stay awake but he probably kept doing them because he liked the buzz it gave him.

Then over time he developed a higher tolerance for them then gradually became addicted.

That's how it goes for drug users.

Lamar was probably right and being very truthful.

To say Lamar was a liar or his comments on this were dumb is wrong.

Exactly.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Z0S0 wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:i never questioned it...to me, things like that are not important

u gotta be kidding right !!!!! not important !!! wake up, it was drugs & drugs alone that killed our hero at a mere 42 years of age ! the best singer of not only his generation but possibly in musical history fullstop and he destroyed it all because he became a hardcore drug addict , which i dont judge him for because i know all about it and he found it very easy to justify cos he liked to believe it was necessary for his lifestyle and it was moral & legal cos it came from the almighty Dr Nick !!!!!

its not important we lost an amazing artist possibly 30yrs B4 his time? u clearly think very different to me!the difference between ALOHA elvis & CBS elvis is simply drugs & u think thats "not important" lol

no no no. you totally misunderstand me. what i mean is not important is detailed information about his drug abuse. he's dead and gone, knowing why he took drugs, or how much and how often does not bring him back. that's why that's not important to me. of course it's important to me the fact that he didn't take care of himself, and died way before his time. that makes me frustrated. but i am not interested in detailed information about his drug abuse. it was his personal life, and i don't feel i should be "snooping around" in his personal life. i respect his privacy

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Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:19 pm

Z0S0 wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:what i mean is, i don't hear it

again, your full of sh*t, im not attacking u personally but u clearly have the rose coloured TCB glasses !

i suggest u listen to the last wk of the summer 70 shows and/or the following winter 70 tour shows that clocked in around 45mins cos he was full off amphetamines !

tho he sang superb in 'On TOur' and he looked great at points - texas for example, watch the rehearsal footage = hes full of demorel !

aloha is so inconsistant (some of its AMAZING) some of it totally sucks becos not only had he 'tried' to clean up but he'd crash dieted & then B4 he went on stage, good ole step-bro stanley INJECTED him with a cocktail of B12 (thats ok) and amphetamines tho in spite of that he doesnt seem to 'wake up' until 'big hunk !

and u think there was no problems until what? dragonheart? u heard closing night 73? desert storm? or like i said u can go back to 70 !

how do you know what he was full of? did you give it to him?

Re: Elvis and drugs

Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:42 pm

Closing Night Vegas 3 September 1973? He was not heavily drugged, he was very energetic, with his crazy sense of humor but very angry because he was trapped with the Hilton contract, very upset about Mario (his favourite waiter) being fired and very angry about the Colonel (he fired him later in the night). Elvis believed it was the last night ever in the Hilton and wanted to do a final show to truly express himself with all his feelings and frustrations after four years engagements in the Hilton casino. So the crazy things he did on stage that night can be explained by these factors.

Re: Elvis and drugs

Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:53 am

Z0S0 wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:i never questioned it...to me, things like that are not important

u gotta be kidding right !!!!! not important !!! wake up, it was drugs & drugs alone that killed our hero at a mere 42 years of age ! the best singer of not only his generation but possibly in musical history fullstop and he destroyed it all because he became a hardcore drug addict , which i dont judge him for because i know all about it and he found it very easy to justify cos he liked to believe it was necessary for his lifestyle and it was moral & legal cos it came from the almighty Dr Nick !!!!!

its not important we lost an amazing artist possibly 30yrs B4 his time? u clearly think very different to me!the difference between ALOHA elvis & CBS elvis is simply drugs & u think thats "not important" lol

It's important because there are other people out there, now, doing the same thing. It should not be covered-up. (And we'll say AT LEAST 30 years, in fact, healthy people are living easily into their late '80s now -- his grandma was just shy of 90, even then. Since he'll always be 42, we'll never know. He missed almost all of his forties but for a bit, all of his fifties, his sixties, now his seventies, and possibly more . . . and we'll never know how much. As it was, he lived those last few years in such a bad and miserable condition, that it's hard to even count them, either.) It was covered up from the beginning, by Jerry Francisco. But the were others, directly involved with the autopsy, who virulently disagreed with his decision to call it "natural" even before the autopsy was over (is that illegal?), and thus cause the police to close the case. And then when they got back the results, they met with Vernon (Francisco was THERE), and told him the truth, and then went out and lied to the public. When the key parts of the report, and the tox reports were leaked (early on, by Beth Tampke), they went into the second round of lying: the press conference in the October. Unsatisfied with the truth being bandied about while the state benefited from one of the world's most important tourist attractions, the state got sick of it, and hired a doctor. A doctor who never examined him, even in death, who did not do the original tox work, a doctor being paid by the state who had lied to begin with. And the doctor gave them what they wanted, and called it a "heart attack." Which is not even a medical term.

I don't know if any or all of what they did was illegal, but it sure sounds illegal! And no one seems interested in the truth, for the sake of those now living. I would be nice if some of the crack 'net crackers could liberated the full autopsy report! It never should have been sealed to being with. It was NOT a "natural" death, and Francisco knew it. And to me, that's criminal. And so it should be liberated, somehow. (Is he gone? Is he alive? Because this was a criminal. Who was aided and abetted later on by the state of Tennessee.)

I just watched a film last night about the 'net "anonymous" movement, and how they hacked web sites, and brought 'em down and stuff, and I was fantasizing about how that damned autopsy report, by all rights, should be liberated, by one of those brilliant kids wearing one of those Guy Fawkes masks. JUST fantasizing, okay? At least it would be for a REALLY good cause - how can they keep getting away with maintaining this ridiculous and destructive lie? While keeping the report officially sealed under false pretenses? (I'm NOT encouraging anyone to break the law, understand! I just think the law was broken on three separate occasions, and somebody should do the right thing. I would hope so. And legally.)

I forget the name of the film, but their motto is that they don't forgive and they don't forget. Well, if you were an Elvis fan when he was alive, you don't forgive, and you don't forget. Not that I'm advocating anything illegal! No way. But someone should at least sue the state: a journalist. We have journalists here! A consortium of journalists could sue, citing the instances above. The report was sealed by a fraud, which they continued to perpetrate. It's wrong!

Not just one person lost their life at a young age, but others that came after have been affected - have died, and continue to be affected. A lie has consequences, especially when it's a lie about a death.

rjm

Re: Elvis and drugs

Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:23 am

jurasic1968 wrote:Closing Night Vegas 3 September 1973? He was not heavily drugged, he was very energetic, with his crazy sense of humor but very angry because he was trapped with the Hilton contract, very upset about Mario (his favourite waiter) being fired and very angry about the Colonel (he fired him later in the night). Elvis believed it was the last night ever in the Hilton and wanted to do a final show to truly express himself with all his feelings and frustrations after four years engagements in the Hilton casino. So the crazy things he did on stage that night can be explained by these factors.

or you could try listening to the show...

Geoff

Re: Elvis and drugs

Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:29 am

rjm, great post tho i think u went into way more detail than even i would! lolbut i just dont get the denial, from people here and from elvis himself!

that guy should never have died @ 42 y/o !!!!!he had a major problem that needed major help but he wasnt open to it \or willing to address it ! just because the people around him we're abusing too, does that lessen the issue! charlie was basically an alcy, i understand even JD was a womanizing drinker and/or pill head ! some 'gospel' guy huh

it doesnt change the fact that a guy who was amazing until 1973 would die an awful death ALONE a serious shadow of his former self a mere 4yrs later !

THERES a reason vernon wanted the reports sealed/hid for 50yrs!!

i dont give a sh*t that elvis liked to get high, but i give a sh*t that he threw it all away & died at least 30yrs B4 u coulda/shoulda and to say it didnt affect his shows/performance is just stupid ! (listen to hampton rds 76)

Re: Elvis and drugs

Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:53 am

Elvisgirl wrote:

Z0S0 wrote:

Elvisgirl wrote:how do you know what he was full of? did you give it to him?

yeah of course i gave it to him & he bought me a house in return!

i know wot he was full off cos ive read ALL the books ! not only that but ive heard enough sbds = like i said listen & wake up!

lamar was there beginning to end so i trust him more than anyone on this mB!i like to think if i WAS there i could have spoke TOO him & got him to straighten up but he would have simply told me or you or even god himself to "go **** yourself you S.o.B " just like he did to sonny, red & lamar !

does the image of Dr Nick holding a needle behind his back, whilst our hero is laying on his blacked out bed & the lovely dr nick saying " well basically you CAN have this needle but dont 4get my wife wants a minkcoat "

that doesnt concern you ???? the poor guy generated literally billions of dollars for many many people & he died alone a total mess on his bathroom floor, having laid there ALONE for possibly 8hrs and you dont think thats Important ?

so wot is important? the fact marion keisker noted down " good singer"