I won't lend you anything, but I would be willing to sell you some put options on NASTY shares if you were interested in short exposure to my asset on GLBSE.

Not really, but in any case it's meaningless to buy PUTs from the underlying issuer. If your asset goes bankrupt your PUTs pay how?

You'd be buying them from me, not the asset... I would pay if the asset went bankrupt. I understand your reasoning for trying to borrow shares, but if you want to put your money where your mouth is, I have a very established trading record and would be an honorable issuer of put options for NASTY.

Maybe I am not understanding correctly, because I get the impression that buying put options ought to help prop up the price of the underlying.

Maybe it comes down to the privacy/secrecy of the options? Maybe if their existence is secret and not provable your idea might work?

But if they are known to exist, my reasoning is that if someone exists who knows they can sell the underlying for price X, people considering selling will try to sell to that person for as close to X as they can convince them to pay, if other potential buyers (who lack the ability to resell them for X) are offering substantially less than X.

Basically I figured that if a CEO could announce that Entity Y knows where/how to sell for X, folk would thank wow wherever/whoever Entity Y is selling it to must know something we don't, or even if the mysterious buyer(s) or market Entity X is selling to is an idiot surely Entity X will be willing to buy if we offer a price far enough below X for Entity Y to make a profit buying from us and reselling at price X.

I see this effect the Galactic Milieu in fact, where various group's access to places ways and means of selling various things at prices other groups do not know how or where to get, or are not equipped to get, imbues value into things even in the eyes/hands of the groups who do not themselves have their own routes to liquidity of those things.

Basically the fact that there does exist someone who can sell something creates some liquidity in that thing because it provides them with the potential to turn a profit on it any time they are able to pick some up cheaper than the price they know they can get for it in their own special boutique or shop or market or via their own marketing channels or whatever it is that gives them the ability to get better prices for it than others can get.

(In the case in point here, that mechanism being the holding of a put.)

So, wouldn't the use of puts cause the puppy to be upholding, at least to some extent, the prices of the very things it was founded to short?

EDIT: Oops I was thinking of the puppybear, which is in a different thread. Maybe others have other motivations to short things.

I won't lend you anything, but I would be willing to sell you some put options on NASTY shares if you were interested in short exposure to my asset on GLBSE.

Not really, but in any case it's meaningless to buy PUTs from the underlying issuer. If your asset goes bankrupt your PUTs pay how?

You'd be buying them from me, not the asset... I would pay if the asset went bankrupt. I understand your reasoning for trying to borrow shares, but if you want to put your money where your mouth is, I have a very established trading record and would be an honorable issuer of put options for NASTY.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as far as I can ascertain your very established track record is a 1 rating from Ignatius-otc. That's not much to go on.

Maybe your take on this entire thing is a little more emotional than financial.

I won't lend you anything, but I would be willing to sell you some put options on NASTY shares if you were interested in short exposure to my asset on GLBSE.

Not really, but in any case it's meaningless to buy PUTs from the underlying issuer. If your asset goes bankrupt your PUTs pay how?

You'd be buying them from me, not the asset... I would pay if the asset went bankrupt. I understand your reasoning for trying to borrow shares, but if you want to put your money where your mouth is, I have a very established trading record and would be an honorable issuer of put options for NASTY.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as far as I can ascertain your very established track record is a 1 rating from Ignatius-otc. That's not much to go on.

Maybe your take on this entire thing is a little more emotional than financial.

Whatever excuse you need to use is fine. Good luck getting people to loan you shares.

Mods: wouldn't it maybe make sense to enforce a "one thread per company" rule in Securities too, so that self-centered idiots a la usagi don't spam the entire forum page with tons of threads about his bullshit "companies"?