LCLT-REGULAR OR CARNIPURE, AND DOSING QS

[B] Hey people hopefully someone in the know can help me out with this
wanting to get LCLT but unsure if a plain bulk LCLT will be good enough or does it really need to be the CARNIPURE type made by Lonza which is found in a few supps, or is plain regular LCLT good enough?

Does the 300g LCLT powder by AInnovations smell/taste fishy?

Read conflicting views as to when it should be dosed some say pre-workout some say post workout, would it not do its job taken either time?

If it couldnt be taken pre-workout then would it be ok to take it with breakfast as being the meal before training, or would postworkout be better?

Read alot about it but unsure as to the best dosing, if it really matters that is

Poliquin says carnitine should be taken with carbs as the insulin spike will help and is needed to actually load it into the muscle, or failing that it can be taken with omega 3 fatty acids as they will do the same thing, BUT says it must be taken with either carbs for the insulin release or the omega 3s

So for me either taking LCLT postworkout with carbs, or with breakfast before training from the insulin spike from the carbs and at the sime time my omega 3 liquid, one of these scenarios would be best for me

Taking LCLT just postworkout, without carbs, is a waste IMO. Taking it postworkout, during peak insulin sensitivity, with carbs, would be beneficial for point B.

If you want to experience the benefits of point A, take it preworkout.

You may feel less sore from use LCLT. My recommendation is the nutraplanet brand. It does smell fishy, like any carnitine.

So with bfast the meal before workout is ok, and/ or postworkout is ok with carbs also?

I am only interested in its increase of AR properties, any improvement in recovery/performance and any fat burning benefits and hopefully increasing muscle carnitine levels

dosing it in one of the above ways be ok with bfast with carbs or postworkout with carbs, would the dose be best split between these 2 times or would just one or the other be ok?

Do i need to purchase carnipure carnitine or would AI carnitine still do the job?, (cant order from nutraplanet as in UK), but i dont fancy the fishy taste/odour or is carnipure still the same?
I have no probs getting carnipure if its really worth it

So with bfast the meal before workout is ok, and/ or postworkout is ok with carbs also?

I am only interested in its increase of AR properties, any improvement in recovery/performance and any fat burning benefits and hopefully increasing muscle carnitine levels

dosing it in one of the above ways be ok with bfast with carbs or postworkout with carbs, would the dose be best split between these 2 times or would just one or the other be ok?

Do i need to purchase carnipure carnitine or would AI carnitine still do the job?, (cant order from nutraplanet as in UK), but i dont fancy the fishy taste/odour or is carnipure still the same?
I have no probs getting carnipure if its really worth it

Sorry for the Qs just wana be clear on this
Cheers Mr C

If you dose it postworkout with carbs, you get the fat loss/muscle carnitine benefits. Same with breakfast.

You don't need carnipure but again, but just make sure whatever you buy is quality. Again, all carnitines have a fishy odor

http://pescience.com/
http://selectprotein.com/
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES

LCLT is supposed to smell fishy and be sticky. If it's not, it's not LCLT. I wouldnt buy from AI. The first two tubs I bought from there were as described. The next two I got tasted like sugar. I was then sent replacements only to receive the same thing. Was offered a refund. I am still waiting for my said refund 2 months later.

Also have read similar reviews from multiple sites reporting the same non smell, taste.

[QUOTE=mr.cooper69;4088674]If you dose it postworkout with carbs, you get the fat loss/muscle carnitine benefits. Same with breakfast.

Does it actually help with fat loss or only long term if muscle carnitine is elevated?

Coop, wont i get increased AR by dosing it in these ways, the above benefits sound good but i also want the increased AR benefits recovery etc,
if not how do i get round this, does it need to be taken just immediately pre workout as the only way to increase AR, OR would bfast as the meal before training approx 90mins not class as a pre-workout dose?

So for it to be proper LCLT it all must have a fishy odour even taste regardless of brand/supplier, is carnipure the same also?

I will go with a carnipure LCLT play safe if not then possibly Ainnovations despite the poor reports of its taste,odour,inconsistency

Have come across a liquid LCLT carnipure supp by bricker labs seems could be an option

LCLT is supposed to smell fishy and be sticky. If it's not, it's not LCLT. I wouldnt buy from AI. The first two tubs I bought from there were as described. The next two I got tasted like sugar. I was then sent replacements only to receive the same thing. Was offered a refund. I am still waiting for my said refund 2 months later.

Also have read similar reviews from multiple sites reporting the same non smell, taste.

that puts me off the ainnovations although very cheap seems a little inconsistent between batches as you say
you mean you have read of others using the AI LCLT and report no fishy smell or taste?

i want to use a good product with no inconsistency and ideally no fish taste or smell

If you dose it postworkout with carbs, you get the fat loss/muscle carnitine benefits. Same with breakfast.

Does it actually help with fat loss or only long term if muscle carnitine is elevated?

Coop, wont i get increased AR by dosing it in these ways, the above benefits sound good but i also want the increased AR benefits recovery etc,
if not how do i get round this, does it need to be taken just immediately pre workout as the only way to increase AR, OR would bfast as the meal before training approx 90mins not class as a pre-workout dose?

So for it to be proper LCLT it all must have a fishy odour even taste regardless of brand/supplier, is carnipure the same also?

I will go with a carnipure LCLT play safe if not then possibly Ainnovations despite the poor reports of its taste,odour,inconsistency

Have come across a liquid LCLT carnipure supp by bricker labs seems could be an option

Thanks man

You should take it preworkout for the AR benefits. The AR is "protected" by LCLT, which scavenges detrimental metabolites during exercise.

If you want to elevate muscle carnitine, you will need to use it every day with a high carb meal for months on end.

http://pescience.com/
http://selectprotein.com/
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES

Yes from what i gather carnipure is the tm used by lonza switzerland who say there LCLT is the one the studies used
It seems that the carnipure type may be less likely to be fishy in taste and odour than plain bulk, and perhaps that bit better quality

I wonder if taking LCLT with a big dose of bcaas intra workouts, if the bcaas would spike insulin enough to get the LCLT loaded into the muscle cells
or for this purpose the insulin spike off bcaas alone would not be great enough to shuttle the carnitine in, so it would be best taken with a higher carb meal/postworkout carb protein drink
or could just a small insulin spike be effective
?

I wonder if taking LCLT with a big dose of bcaas intra workouts, if the bcaas would spike insulin enough to get the LCLT loaded into the muscle cells
or for this purpose the insulin spike off bcaas alone would not be great enough to shuttle the carnitine in, so it would be best taken with a higher carb meal/postworkout carb protein drink
or could just a small insulin spike be effective
?

I had a tub of AI LCLT and it didn't have that fishy smell, although it was sticky. I'm not sure, I'm gonna try the Nutraplanet brand and see how that is.

On a side note, isn't PLCAR/GPLC the one that is most shown for fat loss benefit? I would think taking that with a high carb meal would also give benefits, though I'm not sure if you should take GPLC and LCLT at the same time or not.

Not sure any carnitine is good for fat loss if im correct, unless you can load muscle tc levels after many months by taking it with a good dose of carbs for the insulin secretion
wheras i believe injecting carnitine im is far more effective for aiding fat loss