Demonrats will love him no matter what. If you read demonrat comments, they have an answer and rationilization for everything, including that which they would be hopping mad and screeching at the top of their voices if the action in question was done by a president with an R after his name. He will always have greater than 80% approval even if he killed and ate a baby on live television

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posted on 10/30/2013 5:22:17 PM PDT
by dsrtsage
(One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)

“So what percentage of Obamas win in 12 do you attribute to fraud?”
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I have no idea. I attribute much of it to an adoring media and a feckless Republican party. Fraud would probably rank third in the list.

Unless you know w some degree of certitude, you can’t properly rank the influence of fraud on the last election. I read article after article on it. The amount & level of fraud was mindboggling. It was the kind of thing you’d expect in a third world banana republic. There was so much fraud on so many levels, probably only God can quantify it all.

Yes, the press is Obama’s palace guard/knee pad toadies, & the GOPe is almost as liberal as the Dems. It’s a mistake to underestimate fraud, however; during the last election it was ubiquitous.

“you cant properly rank the influence of fraud “
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I have no idea as to how much was fraud. I just said “probably third”. What is YOUR list of reasons?

My point is that you, AlexW, do not know how much fraud was involved in the last election. You can’t quantify it. I already said I couldn’t either. I’ve read enough to know it was huge, however. & I will say this: I wd not cite the last election as dispositively as you do UNLESS I cd precisely quantify the role fraud played. You cite the results as if they prove something about the US population. For that to be the case, the election wd need to have been fair, honest & aboveboard. It wasn’t.

Let me cite one example. Al Franken. The Dems needed him in office so as to pass Obamacare. So they counted & recounted the votes but still cdn’t put him on top. So they ‘found’ enough votes in the trunk of a car to put Al in office, & thus pass Obamacare.

In that election, fraud made the winning difference. Unless you, AlexW, know w certitude exactly how much fraud impacted the last election, you cannot know how it reflects on the electorate. It is even possible that in a completely fair & honest election, Obama wd have lost. We just do not know.

Nineteen groups of people voted for Barry. Barry did not win mainstream America. The Dems cobbled together a coalition of special interest groups, each of which was bought off with a promise of getting their own interests accommodated.

1) Union thugs, ticks, and pawns
2) Black racists and people who thought it would be cool to have a non-white President
3) Wealthy campaign contributors and other opportunists who get big rebates in terms of federal grants, contracts, loans, and special favors
4) Naïve youth
5) Communists, Marxists, Islamofascists, and anyone else who hates America or capitalism
6) Guilty white liberals
7) Academics who benefit from federal grants and increased federal support for student loans
8) The entitled class
9) Legal Hispanic voters who want amnesty for their kin and friends who are here (or would come here) illegally
10) People who work in professions or live in communities where intolerance and discrimination by Democrats is overwhelming, severe, and totalitarian
11) Government workers who lack integrity
12) Some homosexual activists
13) The very elite and arrogant
14) People who are pro-abortion
15) Single women who have a fantasy romance with Obama and the federal government, falsely assuming they will help them in time of need
16) 64% of High school dropouts
17) Dead people and people committing vote fraud
18) People who just don’t care about the country
19) 69% of Jews

The RealClearPolitics average for right/wrong direction (of the country) is down to 21.1% right direction. When you consider that most or all of these polls oversample Dems, that is an amazing #. Some who think the country is going in the wrong direction may be radical lefties who (1) think the GOP is still too far right & still has too much power, or (2) think Obama is not far enough to the left. But you also have ppl in that # who claimed to support Obama so as not to be considered racist, but who are more honest when it comes to the right/wrong direction question. Overall, this is not a good # for BO.

Everyone but Ann Coulter and me forgets that 19% of young black men voted for Mitt Romney in 2012.

Thanks for jogging my memory on that, Kristinn. I remember seeing that fact posted after the 2012 election, but had nearly forgotten it.

That one in five young black men would vote for the white Republican for president, when a black Democrat is in the White House, is an earth shattering indicator of systemic rot within the bowels of the left establishment.

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posted on 10/30/2013 10:53:17 PM PDT
by Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)

Obumbo has way too much approval, in spite of his America destroying actions. Why is that?

Like someone said upthread, 13% of the population is black, and another 21% are brain dead liberals. It's a floor that no black politician will ever sink below. Spot Obama another 7% for white guilt, and there you go -- 41% approval.

The rest of the country thinks he's the spawn of Satan.

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posted on 10/30/2013 11:01:02 PM PDT
by Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)

Let me cite one example. Al Franken. The Dems needed him in office so as to pass Obamacare. So they counted & recounted the votes but still cdnt put him on top. So they found enough votes in the trunk of a car to put Al in office, & thus pass Obamacare. In that election, fraud made the winning difference. Unless you, AlexW, know w certitude exactly how much fraud impacted the last election, you cannot know how it reflects on the electorate. It is even possible that in a completely fair & honest election, Obama wd have lost. We just do not know.

Amen. The only reason Democrats cheat -- and they DO -- is because if they didn't, they'd lose. They'd lose for lack of votes.

Judging by the consumer comments at MSM sites from the LA Times to Yahoo, solid drive-by sites, about two thirds of Americans loathe the leftwing bias of the media, loathe Obama, and loathe what they commonly label "liberalism."

How does a little tiny dog "train" a dog twice its size, to be submissive? What disconnect is there that the big dog doesn't just swipe the little twirp?

The combination of fraudulent wins and an MSM that paints "everybody" in America as being in agreement with its own leftist bias, has the big dog -- that would be us -- letting itself be lorded over by a twirp representing a minority that cheated its way to power. A minority is trying to cede power over a majority, and the majority is kicking back. Reality is hitting the fan. It's kind of like physics.

*sigh* You can't choose your relatives. Mom had to entertain and reunite "redneck" country sons with three first cousins, 100 percent city bred, lovely folks, but blind cold leftist liberal. Committed with fervor and "intellectual" (they think) conviction. (I'm almost glad I wasn't there). As long as politics is avoided in that crowd, things would be good.

Otherwise, explosion. Happily, politics were avoided and it went well, even though there was whisky! {^)

Hell, half of "conservatives" are liberals mugged by reality. I have a lot more faith in real Americans and their common sense. That liberal today might be a freedom warrior tomorrow.

The only "unchosing" I can think of was with a college roommate and very good friend who at the wise age of 18 (this was the late '70s) decided to become a full-fledged vegan. It was a political statement that it was morally wrong to exploit animals for our own existence. She had many other rationalizations (environmental, health) to justify it. The idiot has stubbornly hewed to it well into her 50s, with elaborately self-deceptive rationale.

When I saw her subject her own baby to it, her own little kid, poor starving little monkey -- he clung to her like a skinny little monkey with bleary eyes -- I had to turn away. I unchose her, and it was mutual. She had to know I'd lost all respect for her. When someone tells me they are vegan, even when they're young, they drop about five notches in my book.

It's just ground in leftist indoctrination that's now too deeply embedded to extract.

They bought in at an early age, and gradually surrendered all personal responsibility and self determined ability to analyze, to a rigid dogma that requires a sort of religious faith to hold it in place.

There's no profit in trying to talk to them about politics or culture in general, unless you parrot Communist thoughts that interlock with their faux reality receptors.

You may as well be asking them to give up their god. It's a system of belief, and no amount of logic, reason, or facts are going to penetrate their minds. I don't believe as they do, therefore I've gone to the 'dark side'. It's no more complicated than that.

I've had to completely sever ties with the most ardent 'true believers' in my family. They're literally insane.

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posted on 10/31/2013 12:22:03 AM PDT
by Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)

America has no long term memory. Republicans don't beat a drum well to make voters remember how they have been screwed by Democrats and they fear rather than trying to remold the press that campaigns for Democrats. Like a frog in water that will eventually boil, the people of America may be too far gone to do anything after the immediate earthquake in health care is done. Obama creates a new group of victims if you don't pay for them and the middle class up and young people are made to put extra thousands a year into health care that could have made the economy thrive.

That is the other thing, with all this money diverted to health care from the family budget; look for most everything else in the economy to fail as people have no cash or no extra cash for anything (including better Xmas or birthday gifts). Look for the economy to be the worst ever in our memory within years if this isn't repealed.

QF5 Thinking about your general approach to issues, do you consider yourself to be liberal, moderate, or
conservative? (IF “LIBERAL” OR “CONSERVATIVE,” ASK:) Do you consider yourself to be very
(liberal/conservative) or somewhat (liberal/conservative)?
Very liberal ........................................ 7
Somewhat liberal .............................. 15
Moderate........................................... 39
Somewhat conservative .................... 20
Very conservative ............................. 16
Not sure .......................................... 3

QF3 Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something
else? (IF “DEMOCRAT” OR “REPUBLICAN,” ASK:) Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican)
or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF “NOT SURE,” CODE AS “NOT VERY STRONG
DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.”) (IF “INDEPENDENT,” ASK:) Do you think of yourself as closer to the
Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF
“NOT SURE,” CODE AS “STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.”)

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