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Thanks for making me look like an idiot in front of my lawyer and HR, everyone.

Based on RUMORs, I asked my lawyer this question:

I have a question about July Visa bulletin. If the August bulletin is retrogressed when announced in mid-July, can the USCIS change rules and stop accepting new Adjustment of status petitions in mid-July ? I know that it sounds illogical and that July bulletin's current dates would apply thru July 31st but I am hearing from my professional colleagues that USCIS could change rules and stop accepting new AOS petitions in middle of the month.

And I got this reply :

Yes, what you raise is quite illogical. The visa bulletin controls which AOS can be filed during the calendar month for which it is published, there is no way for USCIS to stop receiving an AOS application received say on July 16th. AOS is not like an H1B filing, where there is a finite # that must be received by a date certain and then allocated.

See, hear that ? "NO WAY FOR USCIS". Now, I dont know why some lawyers are spreading this nonsense that "BEWARE, USCIS will stop accepting new petitions if they receive 'too many petitions'. What is 'too many ??? Who defines 'too many'? Is 'too many' defined as the time when the mail room clerk gets back pain from lifting boxes of petitions ? Or the guy printing 485 receipt notices gets carpel tunnel syndrome ?

PLEASE PUT THIS IDEA TO REST. USCIS WILL ACCEPT PETITIONS THRU JULY 31, NO MATTER HOW TIRED THEY ARE AND NO MATTER HOW SICK THEY GET OF SEEING 485 FEDEXes COMING IN DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. GOT IT ????

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_TrueFacts

09-04 11:26 AM

If you and other who have problems with this thread, don't like this discussion than why do you guys bother to come on this thread, just ignore it....

Right on point again by vivid_bharti,

How does deleting this thread improve immigration?Does deleting this thread bring back YSR? If some people are discussing a topic, let them do so..if you have point contribute a line or 2 to it.

I rephrase: The reason we even discuss these things here other than immigration is because we have immigrated and we have a common bonding.

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FinalGC

07-22 02:21 PM

I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.

In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!

Dear Friend: The frustration that all these people state is because of the bitter experience most of them had. The whole business model of Amway is created to con people to get into business. When you understand that part.....every person who has some contact with Amway will have some disgust from their past.

Btw....if you see most of these guys arguing do not have much to do.(including me.:-) ).......this is one masala discussion and everybody is jumping in and passing their time....Nobody is intentionally ridiculing them...all people are trying to say is BEWARE!!! Njoy this discussion and move on buddy...:-)

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logiclife

06-26 12:21 PM

Yes, the august bulletin will be showing retrogressed dates. But when August bulletin is issued in mid-July, it does not impact the petitions received in July, because the August bulletin applies to August and even if August is retrogressed until 1975, they still have to accept 485s until 31st July.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting a job offer before getting there. In fact I would suggest take your time to relax/look for jobs/business opportunities when you get there. You will be a PR and will have plenty of opportunities if you are not in a field requiring a license. In fact, the best part about being a PR is the doors it opens. Consider whatever interests you and makes good money! I know several ppl who have landed in Canada and switched fields.

I am finally moving to canada in 2-3 months. Deadline for landing is March 3rd 2007.

I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.

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samay

07-14 07:05 AM

My question: I came to us on F1 Visa. I do not have my last name in my passport. Yes it is true ..stupid passport department missed it as they write names with hand ... passport was made when I was in high school�9th grade to be precise. I never got it corrected and came to us �visa was issued to me using FNU firstname format. When I applied for I-20 SSN, and everything in US after that I added my last name (my actual family name which got missed in passport) as us system does not allow blank last name. Note that my passport last page correctly shows my fathers and mothers last name which I have added on all my us documents like SSN, DL, � now I have been in us from past 5 years with all ( and I actually mean all) my us docs like H1, SSN, I-20, License, 495 application etc in firstname lastname format. �.. the only 2 things which are not in my first name last name format is 1) visa which is FNU Firstname ( FNU = First name used) 2) My passport which has just my first name and no last name

one of my good friend got a 485 query as his first, middle and last name are mixed up with respect to his passport and 485 application. Which I feel is a much simpler case as compared to mine.

Now my question is should I go ahead and change my name in my passport which is nothing but add my last name and get a new passport preemptively�or I should wait for USCIS decision .. Usually RFE is given 30 � 40 days to reply and I don�t think I will have time to get my passport fixed if and when RFE comes on my 485 .. the only issue I have with preemptive fixing name is sometime it is just better not to add complication to a case when it comes to USCIS �. A lawyer�s opinion is much needed and appreciated.

Thanks for your help -M

PS: my priority is Feb 2007 EB3

Please do get your passport in order. You should have got it done a long time back. I think it is fairly straightforward procedure. You can make an appointment with the Indian Consulate and take it from there. Please do not wait for a RFE to do that.

1. How hard/easy is it to get TN visa? Is it restricted only to specialized professions like H1 or can ppl with general office (HR/marketing) etc also get TN visa? 2. Can spouse work or is it same state as H4? 3. How hard/easy is it to switch jobs? 4. What does it take to apply for green card while on TN (without switching to H status) 5. Anyone tried L1 route from Canada to US?

Basically, my question is it worth the trouble trying to get a GC if you are a canadian citizen?

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kuhelica2000

02-13 10:06 AM

I couldn't agree more with you. The limited number of GC is definitely a critical factor. But we have contributed to this mess ourselves. Look what happened with EB2 India. Did India started producing EB2 talents overnight? No; rather we started polishing our resumes with inflated years of experience and job description so that we can apply to EB2. The system is too liberal and based on trust. If employers start scrutinizing resumes and certificates a lot of applicants will simply drop off from the GC queue.

Before the Y2K problem, the most common route for Indians to migrate to the US (EB category) was this -->

TOEFL GRE Admission into US university (most likely for masters) Scholarship or loan MS/Phd in US Internship using OPT Job/ H1

Since this involved multiple non trivial steps; the barrier for entry was pretty high that prevented mass migration.

There were procedural delays (in some states with a lot of Indian population ( oh yeah; labor certs used to take 3-5 years esp in California, Texas & Northeast; but you could get labor cert faster in south dakota or such less densely populated places; but once you hit the 485 stage, you were certain of a GC within a few months )

And then along with Y2K came TCS, Wipro, Infosys, & infinite other bodyshops that suddenly changed the equation. No need for TOEFL, GRE. No need to fight for scholarship; no need for TA. no need for RA; no need for MS; in a lot of cases, no need for even UG degree in computers/engg. The requirements ranged from having all 10 fingers in place to knowing the right people in the bodyshop company to land an assignment in the US. Once placed at a client site, it was just a matter of finding the right opportunity to get the client to sponsor your H1. I am sure there were a lot other ways the H1 & L1 visas were abused.

So the situation changed from just procedural delays to procedural delays + extra influx of Indians due to H1/L1 visa misuse.

Ofcourse, we can only blame the inefficiencies of the USCIS/INS/DOL system & silently turn the other way when malpractices & visa abuse were rampant (I guess still is) in the IT bodyshop industry.

I am sure this rant will seem extremely prejudicial. But just for a slight moment; think about why all this happened.

Pardon my ignorance, how does labor substitution work and what is FIFO?

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garybanz

01-14 09:50 AM

lol, looks like she wants all of it for herself. Wakeup sister...you might be smart but the rest of the people here are not fools.

Good Things about IV 1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago. 2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers 3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea 4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves 5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants 6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV

Concerns of IV 1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves 2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff 3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive

What IV is doing wrong 1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover 2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged 3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up 4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle 5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.

How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good

What IV can do right 1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.

2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter) 3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.

What wil happen if IV does the above 1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)

2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.

Synopsis How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.

One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.

On a funny flip side ............................... How will this be treated by the current members Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things

Yes, I wonder too. The new memo with the 180 day rule for FBI name check may create a considerable demand for visa numbers and could slow things down.

If the current EB3-ROW move is any indication one can rely on, I think you will be current in next month's bulletin. I bet you can't wait.

I wonder what kind of move we might see for eb3 -row next month.

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logiclife

06-26 01:41 PM

Logiclife,

All I am saying is, the DOS or USCIS can be unpredictible at times. I know TECHNICALLY there is NO way the July bulletin can retrogress IN JULY. However I would NOT be surprised if that happens. Coz this suddenly creates a FLOOD of Ead applications and AP applications not to mention Finger printing.

Once again, what is with this "Flood" and "too many". Petitions are postal packages. They are not Tsunami waves that would prompt them to shut down their doors to prevent flooding. They did get nearly 200,000 petitions in Vermont in one day. What happened ? Did the mail room clerk drown in fedex ? Were the packages overflowing in the parking lot ?

Guys please stop thinking these logistics, and get a life. USCIS has people who are capable of predicting several hundred mail packages and handling them. They are inefficient and slow but they are not galactically stupid. And if they stop accepting petitions, it wont be because they have received "Too many" because it takes time to define "too many". So chill and try to file it before 31st July.

These rumors are wreaking havoc on people who are not in a perfect position to control the timing of filing. Many lawyers and many employers will file between 25th and 31st July. And I can accept that. My own HR and lawfirm have made it clear that we will file before 31st July but there is no guarantee that it will be sooner than that and any sooner than that is not neccesary.

Those who are filing on their own can file on July 1st. But those who are depending on lawyers and their own HR, please relax and stop thinking too much.

These morons never learn lessons. He is insulting him self by bitching about it....the Officers are just doing their job to verify their system... Can you imagine that a foreigner coming to India might have to go through ordeal if Indian Official suspects that he is a terrorist just because his records show....He should not forget that US has such system to verify and let him go.... where is SRK and others showing some passion when similar thing happen to President Abul Kalam? where is SRK and others showing some passion when bombings happened and innocent people get killed time and time again in India. Did he called for such system in India??? Where is SRK and others showing some passion that we need to improve Education System so that we can be proud of as Indians again? These guys thinks every thing for me nothing for others. They got all the money in the world they want.. now what?? how much is enough for these guys....People like him should learn life lessons like this and try to change Indian peoples life so that they get respect around the world. I think that is better for all of us. As Indians we should teach them or remind them when they forget those values.

let's focus our discussion on the immigration system only. There are many policy holes in the indian system which might take ages to fix but i think one day we will get there. let's remember that our country india is only 62 years old.

I wonder how come they ignored all other details and went only by the last name alone while interrogating SRK. it's a little strange and they are not telling us something here.

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abhijitp

06-28 04:51 PM

Not sure if this has already been posted, if so, pls accept my apologies.

http://www.murthy.com/rumor.html

Rumor : If the USCIS receives too many I-485 Adjustment of Status applications during the month of July 2007, there will be a lottery to decide whose applications will be accepted for processing. This could happen because almost all EB categories became "current" for the month of July 2007. Posted Jun 20, 2007

Clarification : There is no lottery expected for the I-485 cases filed in July 2007. This rumor seems to have originated based on the recent crisis with cap-subject H1B petitions. In that case, the USCIS received more than the annual quota of H1B petitions on the first day of filing for Fiscal Year 2008, which begins October 1, 2007. Therefore, the USCIS accepted cases for processing based on a computer-generated, random selection. The system of H1B cap numbers and the EB visa number limits operate differently.

I understand your concern. But be rest assured that we are not going anywhere with this flawed concept; "we are discriminated because we are not given green cards!". When frustration is at work, commonsense goes on vacation.

Also, IMHO, majority of indians posting here are taking it for granted that IV and the website is purely indian. It is not intentional though.

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snram4

01-17 10:32 AM

This kind of attitude will not help to acheive your goal. If US congress does not pass immigration that favors you may abuse everyone. Before that can you name any single country has such a better immiration policy than USA. You may name Canada and Australia. Canada many immigrants are struggling to survive for years so that is not attractive destination. Everyone knows what happens in Australia. A few violence will be enough to reduce immigration.

Still USA is best destination for world inspite of ugly recession. So if you want change any inequality or decrimination better fight with facts but not showing frustration. We got complete right to fight any discrimination or inequality both legally and by lobbying. Similarly our opponents also have same right to fight for their arguments. Using abusive words will do more harm than any benefit

No, they know what's going on, everybody know it's not a picnic there in the North, I didn't say that they were un aware what was going on in the North, all i said they are fine where they are, please read what i said. It seems you are only looking at it from 1 angle.

I'm not disputing what channel 4 reported, it's overwhelming for the govt to handle millions of IDP's and terrorists mixed up in 1 big bowl of soup. In any war situation there will always be cases of misconduct as it has happened in Iraq, Kashmir, Afghanistan etc.

It is also not good for SL's Democracy because a dictator is in making for SL. Let me tell you this,after this war on terror is over, SL is going to be ruled by a dictator for a long time. wait and see. Again this is my humble opinion. If it is not going to happen i will be the happiest person.

Gurpreet

08-30 02:45 PM

Hi Friends, Is this same in case of Australian PR as well? Has anyone got an extension of Australian PR for another 5 years without fulfiling the criteria of being physically present in Australia for 2 years out of the total 5 years.

Thanks!

ryan

08-18 03:43 PM

Guys, In my humble opinion this is the best thing that could have happened!!! I feel bad for Mr. Khan suffering like a common man for a while but his suffering brought to light what we have to deal with every time we travel... ace

"Everytime"?

I've been pulled aside once, in the nearly 7 years I've lived here. I've never had to go through any sort of 'suffering' -- nobody humiliated, beat me up or threw me in some dungeon, and likewise with any of my friends (and I have friends of different nationalities and religion)

I was asked the routine stuff - why I'm visiting the US - who I work for, where I live, how long have I been in the US and if I have family here. They asked, I respond - and that was that. The tone wasn't the most cordial nor was it demeaning. It's not a popularity contest. The key is to not take things personally. I have a lot of respect for President Kalam. He sure did Indians and people in general, proud. Now, please, give it a rest.