Yep,they get big. I give them 2-6000 sf.ft.per pair. Some enclosures are heavly grown up with palms Oaks and other bushes and plants. The oaks are very tall and make the upper leavel of the cantapy. Sometimes it takes a while to find them. Or you find something else! Maybe next year you can come by and see them in my little Thailand. I have other enclosures more Human friendly with no tree limbs to slap you in the face. Next year Vic