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I totally understand you not wanting the die-off. I've only got one child and I find it hard enough looking after him and coping with die-off.

I've also got some tea tree oil and have used it on my toe-nail. Will have to do so more regularly. How have you used it in your mouth? Have you got special tea tree oil mouth wash? Mine's just a little bottle of the stuff you dab on. Not sure I could use that in my mouth without diluting it somehow?

My bad news is that I've got a really bad urine infection. This means antibiotics Can't believe it as I've never had one before. I really didn't want antibiotics, but the dr said I needed them as my urine was so bad and I was in absolute agony last night. So, I've just been eating probiotic yoghurt with bluberries and I guess I'll up my probiotic supplement. I was pleased about making progress and this seems like a major setback. I'll be talking to Dr P tomorrow, so will see what he has to say, especially about the fact that my blood pressure has dropped more.

Is there anyway a urine infection could be caused by candida die-off?

Susie

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I use the regular tea tree oil and i mix it with mouthwash or water. The first night i only used mouthwash with it and my whole mouth foamed up really bad and it scared me, so last night i used it with half mouthwash and half water and 2 small drops of oil and it worked perfectly. They do make tea tree oil mouthwash, but this is the exact same thing.

So what did dr P. say today?

paula

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I will have to try making a tea tree mouth wash. Feeling really rough with this cystitis and the abx at the mo, so won't be doing any anti-fungals for the next few days, coz I can't deal with die-off too. Dr P said to increase my probiotics. He doesn't want to do anything to change my adrenal regime for a couple more weeks, especially as the cystits is effecting my temp, b/p and pulse. My temp actually made it up to 36.9 - a fever for me lol

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I will have to try making a tea tree mouth wash. Feeling really rough with this cystitis and the abx at the mo, so won't be doing any anti-fungals for the next few days, coz I can't deal with die-off too. Dr P said to increase my probiotics. He doesn't want to do anything to change my adrenal regime for a couple more weeks, especially as the cystits is effecting my temp, b/p and pulse. My temp actually made it up to 36.9 - a fever for me lol

Hi Susie

I see your in the UK too. Have you actually found a doctor who accepts candida as a condition. I have been suffering for a few years now and recently been told i have oral thrush, but doctors can't find out why i have it. When i suggest candida overgrowth as apossible explanation they don't want to know.

Thanks

Chris

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You're right, whenever I've tried to speak to anyone on the NHS about systemic candida, they pretty much say you've got to be dying before that's a possibility. I'm seeing Dr Peatfield privately. He specialises in metabolic disorders. I went to see him primarily about thyroid and adrenal issues and he did a saliva test for candida via IWDL, which showed my candida antibodies are off the chart. Dr Peatfield calls himself a nutritional doctor. If you need professional support, your best bet is probably tot rack down a good nutritionist. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Susie

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You're right, whenever I've tried to speak to anyone on the NHS about systemic candida, they pretty much say you've got to be dying before that's a possibility. I'm seeing Dr Peatfield privately. He specialises in metabolic disorders. I went to see him primarily about thyroid and adrenal issues and he did a saliva test for candida via IWDL, which showed my candida antibodies are off the chart. Dr Peatfield calls himself a nutritional doctor. If you need professional support, your best bet is probably tot rack down a good nutritionist. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Susie

Hi Susie

Is that Dr Barry Peatfied? I done a search and I see he does a clinic not to far away from where i live once every 3 months, although his last clinic was on 7th march so i have just missed it. What testing does he do with you? Is he a proper fully qualified doctor? Would you recommend an appointment with him?

Chris

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Yes it is Dr Barry Peatfield. He was a GP so is a fully qualified medical doctor and also has nutritional qualifications. He left the NHS as his nutritional methods of treatment were so frowned upon He has quite long waiting lists, so it is probably only worth hanging on to see him if you think you might have thyroid/ adrenal issues, which is what he specialises in. If you don't, I'd go for a nutritionist. Check out the thyroir-disease.org.uk website, as a lot of his info is on there. Also his book, Your Thyroid and how to keep it healthy is very helpful.

The tests he did were saliva tests for candida antibodies and adrenal stress index. He also meets up with the patient and does a thorough examination and takes a full history. He likes to see copies of blood tests and any other tests you've had done eg hair analysis, food intolerance tests etc.

I thought strawberries were ok because of their anti-microbial properties and low sugar content.

So what's up with this?

Also, any ideas on hot beverages besides water or lemon water? I'm getting off the coffee, but want something hot to drink in the morning. And hot lemon water just doesn't taste good to me sometimes. I've read that herbal teas are out because they may contain molds/fungii.

Maybe low acid coffee? Anyone tried this?

Thanks!

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I would think strawberries would be ok in moderation if you dont add sugar to them and clean them very very good to get mold off of them. I eat blueberries often so i dont see that big of a difference lol.

I cant help on the hot drink, i drink hot lemon water every morning then make my green juice a couple hours later.

I know you can have pau d=arco tea for die off, maybe try that, i have some but have not used it yet, im afraid for a big die off lol. I just got the bark, but u can buy it in tea form.

paula

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The reason I ask is because I was having some fairly heavy-duty symptoms of die off yesterday and then had a strawberry/avocado/chia seed smoothie last night (just water added and some stevia). Shortly thereafter, the die off symptoms went away. Thinking I "dosed" myself with either sugar or mold.

I have some pau d'arco tea around here somewhere. Used to drink it when I felt a cold or flu coming on, in addition to taking elderberry extract. Will probably need a new box, but good to know. And btw, it doesn't taste bad at all.

Do you buy the chia seeds off the internet or do you buy them in a health food store...I've been sort of looking (although not very diligently I must say) to in Whole Foods for them, but haven't noticed them yet.

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There are quite a few websites where you can get them tho. And there isn't any difference in the benefits between "black" or "white" chia. They're both the same, even though some sites try to charge you more for the white ones.

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Ok i have fallen off the candida diet lol. I am back to eating chips and last night i had an hamburger with ketchup, but i have not had any candy lol. I have also had a few beers here and there for the last week or two.

But the thing is i feel great, I have not had an white tounge from doing this, no stomach aches, no nothing.

Do you think the time on the diet was enough to heal me some, and im ok to have a few things now, or do you think it will all come to an head soon and ill be back to being sick lol.

paula

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That is terrific news. We are so glad to hear that you are doing better.

So, I see that there is quite a debate about the fact that candida is symptomatic of some other underlying issues. In my case, I have Celiac, was diagnosed about a year and a half ago and have since fully recovered from that. However, I have had my yeast infection problems for a number of years before I ever began showing signs of a gluten intolerance.

So, given all that, am I to assume that the candida caused my Celiac and not the other way around? Or could my Celiac have caused the candida? The reason I ask is that once I get the candida under control (much harder than dealing with Celiac, IMHO) will I finally be done with this? Or is the candida just one more symptom of something else?

And I have no dental fillings, nor do I believe that I have a heavy metals problems. Can't candida just be its own issue -- and not indicative of a larger problem. I am scared to think that this is only the beginning.

I would appreciate your insight; thanks.

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Absolutely! One can get exposed to high levels of fungus in buildings, food, and air in large amounts enough to over tax the system. Once it takes hold and becomes systemic, then it is very difficult to get back to square one.

If you have had many shots, you may already have heavy metals deep inside from the preservatives in the solutions. Did your mother have metal fillings when you were developing?

Great that you don't have any metals fillings!! Big step in the right direction there!

ML

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I have a doctor's appointment coming up. What sort of tests should I ask for so that I can check that box. He is a holistic M.D. Would he even be able to run that sort of test or do I need to seek out a specialist?

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OMgosh Paula, you wicked girl!! Whilst we're confessing, I fell off the wagon yesterday too...well, more like jumped I had corn pasta and cheese, and then a hot cross bun. I wasn't as fortunate as you. I was really itchy all night, slept badly and my nasal allergies started playing up (they have been much better since being on the diet). I've not had these problems with pasta or cheese before, so I'm pretty sure it was the yeast in the hot cross bun. This morning I've been a very good girl though and I've just now eaten a lovely bowl of green soup.

I'm so glad to hear you're making progress. Why not try the spit test to see how you're doing? First thing in the morning, spit in a glass of water, and see if your saliva makes tails. If it does, there's still candida there. I don't think it's a totally full-proof test, but could give you an idea.

How's your tongue? I must start the tea-tree mouth wash today. Haven't been doing much candida blasting coz of feeling so rough with the UTI. But I must start again now.

I'm thinking that I should try grain-free nightshade-free for a week or two to see how that goes. I've done it before when doing an elimination diet (I never get past 2 weeks lol!) and for the first few days, until the die-off has hit, I've felt better than ever. It's just working out what to eat instead to give me the huge amount of energy I seem to need. I find it really difficult eliminating stuff like this, coz everything I end up with seems to make my stomach feel raw. Any ideas to help with the raw stomach would be appreciated.

Well, that's my update. I think I could do with some lemon water now

Susie x

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Well im glad i fell off the wagon, cause we cant have any water in this town, and we cant get any veggies and fruits that are safe to eat for 4 weeks. I really dont know what i would have done. Even tho i know i cant live on chips for 4 weeks. I am even tempted to eat gluten just so i can eat for the next 4 weeks.

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I am on day 7 candidas diet using the whole approach guidlines only eating the OK items.

So far my list of foods, beef, Chicken, broccilli, garlic(raw and cooked), organic onions, extra virgin olive oil, coconut oil, black beans(canned with salt and water only), organic eggs, lettuce, bell peppers, peppermint tea(peppermint only). Have probiotics Florastor, sustenex, bluebonnet milk free acidophilus plus fos, culterelle. Also activated charcoal capsules(with gelatin caps). Ordered pysillium/bentanite/caprylic acid from whole approach will use those when I recieve. Also looking to get Healthy trinity probiotic but whole foods didn't have it so mail order I guess. Also take 400mg ibuprofen and 1 benadryl each night before bed, this is cut way down from what I was taking 7 days ago. Can I still take these in limited quantitys? I have some nasty leg aches at night from a past broken leg. The benadry is more to sleep than anything. Have trouble sleeping. Lots of cold sweats.

Gluten free 2 1/2 years. Likely have had candidas problem all my life looking back, have had thrush off/on most my life(41 male), have had it constantely since gluten-free. Been alcoholic drinker most of the time gluten-free, sober 2 months. Gave up smoking (not tabaco-don't smoke that) 7 days ago also.

My stomache feels loads better though rumbles alot, and my bowels are moving smoother than since went gluten-free. My thrush is as bad as ever, brain fog worse, very tired, eyes foggy and sensitive to light, joints very achy(this is all normal for me no real change). I excercise everyday(ride a bike) no matter how sick I am and always have. Just coming off the flu which got me trying to regain my health again.

If anyone would comment on what I should remove/add to my list of foods and supplements ect... would very much appreciatte it. Want very much to stay on the right track here and am VERY motivated to do it correctely. I am clean and sober for first time in years and want to get my health back, I believe this candidas diet will be VERY important for that, I scored around 400 on the whole approach test. My biggest fear is the Heavy metal thing- this is scaring me ALOT. I pray this is not my problem-how do I know? I hope it is not and the fact I have a history of drug/alcohol abuse(no needles), have taken dozens of terms of antibiotics(many stains for many infections) also had a run with steriods for gum disease about 20 years ago, also many other contibuting factors that predispose me to candidas. So hope not the Metals. Thing is I have a mouth full of 20-30 year old fillings around some not great teeth, also have a steel rod inside my femur(8 years). The thought of having to remove the rod(it is possible that would be impossible) and my fillings give me great fear.

Any comments at all will be so appreciatted. I really want to feel good/healthy again. feel free to email higitiki@hotmail.com or post here. Thanks for all the help I already got from this thread which I have read all of.

I'm not sure if this is really the right place to post this - all my testing showed yeast and candida as problems, but I also reacted to 90% of the foods on the allergy test. I went gluten free in December and now i'm trying to eat only foods that I dont react to, to slowly work in other foods. However, I was using sugar and wine vinegar as seasonings, since there are NO seasonings on my safe list. I started having green slime all the time and didnt know what was doing it .. . i started realizing it was related to the vinegar i was putting on my salad every day, but the lemon juice did the same thing.

Finally i took an anti-fungal i'd been rx'd for recurrent yeast infections ... the green slime went away. then i got bronchitis and an ear infection, antibiotics, more green slime. I did another antifungal (just one pill) and the green slime went away. I'm avoiding vinegar, but I just cant totally stay away from sugar. I'm just so frustrated and hungry all the time, becuase there are now only 25 foods I can eat (i mean, potato, tomato, turkey, lamb, spinach, corn, soy, . .. . ) .. . i'm always hungry and i miss EVERYTHING and i'm still feeding my family of 5 all the normal foods and i just crave something YUMMY. My food is all tasteless becuase I cant eat garlic, pepper, thyme, nothing.

Adding in new foods has been slow because the green slime keeps coming back, and then hayfever makes me react to things which were previously ok (oranges).

I'm so frustrated and just dont know what else to do but stick to eating all the foods I tolerate and taking anti-fungal pill every 2 weeks. I want to try to add in some coconut shortening soon, which might help w the anti-fungal, but every single thing I want to add in my diet takes 4 days when I cant add anything else new . . and only works if my stomach is stable anyways. Something I ate over hte last few days is bothering it, and its probably the lemon juice. I was hoping it was only the preservatives, so i bought lemons, but i'm still . .. passing things faster than I had been.

Any encouragement of any sort would be appreciated ...

ps - posted here once b4 - first time i ever took this anti-fungal i had d and cramps in the middle of the night, and thot it was the meds. You folks told me it was just die-off and u were right - havent had a bad reaction to it again

It's the most concise and clear description of my health problems over the last two and a half years.

I think the enzyme piece of this -- as some of you have mentioned before -- may be critical.

I stopped eating all the foods I developed intolerances to, am taking targeted vitamins for healing (biotin, zinc, fish oil, anti-oxidants, etc), and have taken VSL3 and Threelac for probiotic. I've been taking Solaray's Yeast-Cleanse (mostly caprylic acid) as well as raw garlic and fresh lemon juice. And non-psyllium fiber when I remember.

BUT I think the enzyme part has been missing for me -- that perhaps I need something to breakdown the cell walls of the yeast so the anti-fungals can do their work better.

I've also started on a minimalist protocol for CFS -- as described by this researcher who has worked with Amy Yasko (leading doc who does biomedical treatments for kids with autism) -- based on the theory that people with CFS-like problems have similar blockages in their methylation pathways as do autistic kids. People with CFS have seen some success with this. Anyway, I posted a link to the paper about this over on Rachael's thread, but can post it here if people are interested. I'm only about a week into it.

Anyway, I was curious to hear how other people's experiences are going and who else might be doing Candex.