Post by ladonna on Jul 29, 2008 12:23:57 GMT -5

Cetan Wakiyan, Chief Thunderhawk Though little is written about Chief Thunderhawk, it is known that as a young man he was a campanion of Sitting Bull, and a warrior of prominence. Since the Hunkpapa were a small band, Thunderhawk figured was important in Hunkpapa and Lakota affairs. He was chief of his band, a position which he retained all his life. His band followed the buffalo. During the 1870s, Thunderhawk was dominant leader of the Reservation Hunkpapa people at the Grand River Agency. After allotment, his band moved to 20 miles below the Agency where his band constituted 28 lodges from Moreau River. He is credited, along with Mrs. Galpin, with saving the life of Father DeSmet. He,along with several other Hunkpapa, represented the Hunkpapa at the Sioux Indian delegation in Washington, D.C. in October 1888. He is buried near Thunderhawk, South Dakota south of Morriston, South Dakota. Done by Robert Gipp The people in the 1885 Ration list under Thunder Hawk. Okute (Shooter); Heraka Najin (Standing Buck Elk); Sunka Paha Akau Najin (Dog Standing On the Butte); Wanbli Upi Luta (Red Eagle Tail); Hin Waste (Good Fur); Pehin Siksica (Bad Hair); Ite Nonpa (Two Face); Isto Weganan (Broken Arm); Hitunkasan Luta (Red Weasel); Kangi Wiyaka (Crow Feather); Cetan Wakiyan Hunka (Thunder Hawk's Mother); Heraka Mani (Walking Buck Elk); Irpeyupi (Thrown Away); Tasunke Hin Luta (His Red Horse); Wapaha Sapa (Black Hat); Sungila Luta (Red Fox); Wanbli Wicasa (Eagle Man); Ista Zizi (Brown Eyes); Zintkala Gleska (Spotted Bird); Sipto Hanpa (Beaded Moccasin); Okaroniyeiciya (Thrown In); Oyate (Nation); Miniata (At the River); Wahacanka Ska (White Shield); Heraka He Maza (Iron Horn Stag);

When asked about her tribal affliations in 1900, she said she was Brule, as were both her mother and father (but their names are not given). She married Thunder Hawk about 1875 and was at the Spotted Tail Agency until their family left to attend the sundance in the summer of 1876, thereby getting swept up into the events of that summer, including the Little Bighorn. I do agree with Hardorff that her husband is probably the same Thunder Hawk mentioned in the Shaw interview with Ricker (published in The Settler and Solider Interivews of Elis S. Ricker (vol. 2 p. 309).

After Thunder Hawk committed suicide, probably in the 1890s, she remarried to a Brule named Jumps Off about 1898. Then, about 1907, she married for a third time to Charles Face. I suspect that Hardorff assumed Face was her maiden name and speculated she was the daughter of the warrior Face because of the same name (but it was a moderately common name among the Lakota.) Our only indication about an Oglala affiliation is her answer to one of the questions on the survey, asking which tribe she was with at the time of the battle: she said Oglala. Does this mean that she and her Brule husband were camped with the Oglala at LBH?

Anway, when Weston did his interview with her in 1909, her married name was Julia Face. A few times in later census records, she is recorded as Julia Thunder Hawk Face.

Which seems weird if this Thunder Hawk is buried at St Francis Mission .... because if he committed suicide he wouldn't be buried in consecrated Catholic ground would he ??

Post by ladonna on Jul 30, 2008 8:58:26 GMT -5

THUNDERHAWKChief Thunderhawk, it is known that as a young man he was a campanion of Sitting Bull, and a warrior of prominence. Since the Hunkpapa were a small band, Thunderhawk figured importantly in Hunkpapa and Lakota affairs. He was Chief of his band, a position which he retained all his life. His band followed the buffalo. During the 1870's, Thunderhawk was dominant leader of the Reservation Hunkpapa band at the Grand River Agency. After allotment, his band moved to 20 miles below the Agency where his band constituted 28 lodges. He is credited, along with Mrs. Galpin, with saving the life of Father DeSmet. Both Thunder Hawk and Fears the Eagle were akcihita in 1865, rated as chiefs in 1866. Later the commission met with representatives from the non-treaty village of Hunkpapas, the people of Four Horns, Sitting Bull, etc. Thunder Hawk is next mentioned as one of the party that escorted Fr De Smet to Sitting Bull's village in June 1868 to secure attendance at the treaty talks at Ft Rice. The fact that he with Mrs Galpin is credited with helping save the life of De Smet during the dramatic negotiations. He is list of headmen at Grand River Agency in March 1870. He together with Gall, Wolf Necklace, Heart For All, Slave, and Little Wound appear to have arrived at Grand River from the hunting grounds in Jan.-Feb. of 1870. He is a fixture at Grand River/Standing Rock after 1870, accompanying the 1872 delagation to Washington. . He remained at the agency right through the Great Sioux War. Thunder Hawk may have been one of their members. He, along with several other Hunkpapa, represented the Hunkpapa at the Sioux Indian delegation in Washington, D.C. in October 1888. He is buried near Thunderhawk, South Dakota south of Morriston, South Dakota.

Post by miyelo on Jul 31, 2008 16:20:36 GMT -5

I am close with Oglala Thunder Hawk family. Chubbs Thunder Hawk is a very respected Oglala elder up in Porcupine. He lives right at the butte. I have seen pictures he has of his relatives but cannot remember if this photo you posted was one of them or not. i can ask him.

Post by miyelo on Jul 31, 2008 19:20:30 GMT -5

ok I will tell him. Chubbs is a good man isn't he. I am very close to his son, Sky. You know I have never been up to Standing Rock. Maybe i drive up sometime this fall.Where is Sitting Bull's grave again?? LOL.

Post by ladonna on Aug 1, 2008 9:51:27 GMT -5

ok I will tell him. Chubbs is a good man isn't he. I am very close to his son, Sky. You know I have never been up to Standing Rock. Maybe i drive up sometime this fall.Where is Sitting Bull's grave again?? LOL.

Hey my grand daughter's name is Skye, come on up i will give you a tour and history of both sites along with the history here,I do love my home

Post by miyelo on Aug 1, 2008 19:47:38 GMT -5

WA'STE!!! That would be great! I will take you up on that offer sometime this fall after school starts. I need to see Ron His Horse....too cuz he has some old maps my grandpa wants. Been trying to go up there for years to get them!!