On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 01:33:19AM -0400, Ewan Dunbar wrote:
> A message to the developers:
> It's silly. It doesn't make configuration easier. You're always saying,
> "Which file is that?", or "Where is that file?".
If I get rid of that feature, you can also say good bye at least to :
* look & feels (they depend on that)
* start menu tree
* beginners
Yes, beginners tend to like many small file instead of a big one and adding
options to menu very simply, i.e. they like the 2 most criticized features.
You can use afterstep -f steprc if you like huge config files, or compile
time options for start menu.
> THE INTERFACE. The great thing about AfterStep's visual interface is that
> it can be anything you want. But the fact that the real interface, the
> config files, is a mess, is a detractor.
What would you suggest ?
When I arrived last year, I thought 1.0 steprc was awful.
Little by little it has been improved, a new "philosophy" appeared.
I fight with other people for compatibility (many many times I've been told
to remove that stupid steprc compatibility, etc).
The fact is : you can still do whatever you want with afterstep !
Here's my suggestion : you write a "perfect" steprc, including every
feature you like, and I include it with 1.5.0, explaining in readme you can
either use ~/G/L/A or steprc
> My second problem with AS, which I already touched on, is the fact that,
> unlike FVWM, it is not as polished. It has a bunch of frustrating little
> quirks that change from release to release. "Well, that's not possible in
Don't worry, it will not go on.
1.5.0 will certainly be my latest release.
I'm sick and tired, I need some new fresh air.
Someone (Mickael or Ethan) will hopefully go on, but I'm really fed up with
flames, etc.
I've no new ideas too, and 1.5.0 I'm pre-pre-testing now does everything I
ever wanted it to do !
It only eats 1.0 Mo for my notebook (window maker : 2 Mo, enl or KDE : by
far too much) is more configurable than fvwm or twm (smaller), runs fine
with 8bpp (try WM with 8bpp :-), etc.
> Then, make it KISS-conformant. Then, TELL THE WORLD. Say, "THIS IS THE
> BEST WINDOW MANAGER AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT JUST PRETTY ANYMORE. IT'S ALSO
> REALLY, REALLY GOOD SOFTWARE!" And say it in all caps.
1.5.0 will hopefully be what you was waiting for, except for
configurability which needs new ascp or asconf (in afscript)
There's a code freeze now, bug hunting/reporting/fixing, etc., and 1.5.0
will only be release after all this has been fixed, hopefully by september.
1 weeks after last bug report, 1.5 will appear.
> I don't know if you'll listen to this. I'll stay on the list for a while,
> to see your complaints about this document. As for me, I'm saving it to a
As for me : I'll release 1.5.0, and wait a bit to see what people think of
it.
If they still don't like what we tryied to do (for free of course, as a
parse time activity) I'll go away and write more HOWTOs instead.
> Well, thank you anyway, for your time.
> Thank you for providing a good-looking, customizable window manager.
> Writing this saddens me very, very deeply.
> Thank you all.
Thank you also, you message is halas very right.
But I'm stuck here, no possibility to change something without making many
people complain.
A vote for "contested" features could be an idea.
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Of course... 5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their
> 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5.
> --Andrew Tannenbaum, Jan. 30 1992 in comp.os.minix
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