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Comment by Dain

For a long time Rogues (and warriors too I guess) in general have stayed away from mace spec, as it had very little to offer in terms of utility/dps gain compared to fist/sword/dagger spec.

However, this weapon now represents probably the best SS/Hemo weapon currently in game, beating out even the Gladiator weapons by a comfortable margin (roughly 7dps, and around 60 top end dmg).

Does this strike (pun intended) anybody as a rather crass attempt by Blizz to overide a talents preceived uselessness by massively buffing the weapons available to it? (as opposed to just making mace spec more interesting/useful)

Or am I just overeacting becuase the equivalent Master Swordsmith weapon is only useful as an offhand (and therefore represent a signifcantly smaller overall buff to a character?

Comment by Pjjohn

That's absurd, the same logic goes for replacing offhands

Mace itemization NEEDS this tbh

Comment by aluxendr

I am really thinking that even more than rogues and warriors this would be great for a dual-wielding shammy. Using this with the Mongoose enchant and Windfury would make some ungodly dps...but I do have a question.

I know you can only use one of a unique; would it be possible to use 2 uniques that came from the same line? i.e., Dragonstrike and Drogonmaw. Both of these have that wonderful Haste proc....your offhand might have less damage, but it IS your offhand, and if you had Mongoose on both of them, that would seem to me to be the best possible setup for a shammy.

That's assuming that Dragonmaw and Dragonstrike do not count as the same unique.

Comment by oldb

You can't wield one dragonmaw and one dragonstrike, simply cause both are tagged with "Main hand".

Comment by noggtalnivarr

This very nice mace is crafted by having blacksmithing and being a Master Hammersmith.You can upgrade the mace as you progress in the game. Getting the first levelsimply require you to farm all the mats and getting the skill required. The second stepand last requires quite a bit more than that.

Comment by misut0

Ok...I answered my question from before about DragonStrike or Wicked Edge of the Planar.

Assuming it procs 1.4 times per minute like what someone recorded of its Step 1 version, DragonStrike does about 6012.4 dmg/min. (Since the Planar axe gets slightly buffed stats each upgrade, DragonStrike may also have more proc/min than its downgraded version, I do not know)

Wicked Edge of the Planar, however, does about 5988.9 dmg/min.

HOWEVER, since I'm a fury warrior, if I spam my Bloodthirst ability whenever the CD is up, with the AP from Wicked Edge I can do another 212.4 dmg/min, leaving me at a total of 6201.3 dmg/min with the Wicked Edge of the Planar.

The 2nd half also accounted for the +crit on Wicked Edge.

Possible faults with logic: You don't generate enough rage with Wicked Edge to hit Bloodthirst everytime CD is up. The proc on DragonStrike allows you to generate more rage, which you CAN use for Bloodthirst whenever CD is up (among other things).The proc/min on DragonStrike is different than its Step 1 version. This could be possible as the stats on the Planar Axes go up as you upgrade.

No, I will not be showing my math. Don't believe me, do it yourself.

Comment by Amaroq

How would this fare for a prot pally? Considering that reckoning and seal of the crusader would add greatly to it. I'm just surprised not to see more up here regarding some other classes who would use this.

Comment by Torgani

Am I missing something or are all the crafted weapons pretty much useless for prot or holy pally?

Aren't hammers supposed to be for pallies thematically? It'd be nice if one out of the 6 Master Weaponsmith BoP weapons was actually good for a pally build other than retrib.

I like my Khorium set, but other than that, it seems like Blacksmithing is not that great a choice for a paladin.

Comment by Himuro

what a waste of my time, i level up BS to make these maces, working on the 2nd one atm and then bam season 2 gladiator stuff hits.

their is no chance in hell that i'd ever get 5 vortexs so 2nd upgrade was what i had to look forward to, now with the new glad MH mace its basically just as good as dragonstrike.. i know you lose haste but you gain 27sta, some hit, crit ap and res for 13less dmg and .1spd i dont think thats to huge of a difference and if your like me and have no chance at vortex's.. your going for the 2nd verison which is now pointless because you can simply grind 2k arena points and get a mace with 330dmg and the stats listed above

Comment by Eeolya

I completely agree with TheRaven. Even more considering that with top end "Haste" gear and the 212 haste active heroic strike would be more effective considering the speed (and the top end damage). Rage generation shouldn't even be a problem even while spamming Heroic strike. The effective dps increase would be substantial

Comment by FLsBest

waaaaa! Binds when picked up!? But I want it... no, i NEED IT! Why is all the good stuff bind when picked up? Seriously.

Comment by eldorian

I am currently 3 Vortex's away from this mace. I have the 2nd tier atm and I have to say the haste proc lands frequently and really does a lot of dmg especially if your running SnD at the time, which ofc every rogue should know, SnD is part of your DPS cycle. I havent gone for much else in the way of haste gear but my DPS goes through the roof when this procs alongside SnD, Warp Spring Coil, Timeglass and Mongoose.

Cant wait to get my second Mongoose enchant done, have saved the enchant on my MH because I am so close to the third tier.

Comment by eldorian

Crafted Last night and added a mongoose enchant. The enchant make the item look really sweet as it does with all weapons really.

Have done some insane dmg with this. The 2.8k crit SS against a human rogue was the most memorable, I can jsut imagine that player watching his health bar and thinking 'Oh F**k' lol.

But anyway, really impressed with this, been waiting a while for my last vortexs to drop and had 2 in the space of 2 mob groups leading up to Leotheras last night. I think you can imagine my reaction at the time =D

Comment by eldorian

Will have to get procc watch or something in order to count the procs, however its very frequent.

Comment by danzjjang

Been hemo with this baby over at PTR.She's a beauty...Just too bad I can't get one on live :(

Comment by eldorian

DST is not a popping trinket, its a passive chance on hit proc. Abacus can be popped at the same time.

Comment by tatl1019

whats the proc rate?!+

Comment by Kallikrates

The Off-Hand was wrong, this is the correct list:

With the following Items it is possible to get exactly 1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%). Note: The Items Linked are for a Warrior because I was researching for my own.

1,050 Haste is achieved with both the Dragonspine Trophy and Dragonstrike proccing at the same time and the Abacus of Violent Odds being popped. Please mark down the first list.

Comment by BoJlk

unfortunetly this item is Rogue/WarriorRogues have talens for it

But not shamman :(according to theorycrafting MN should strike more then OH to trigger WF and it's shared 3 sec cd.And you won't find slower weapon then 2.7 for the OH.

Comment by Sunwind

you assume only rogues would use this?

Comment by malandora

With the current haste model this weapon is right on par with S2 weapons and talon of ashzara for PVE DPS. When the haste wants to proc a lot I find myself pushing well ahead of our S2 sword rogue. However, with the up and coming nerf to haste in 2.2 this weapon will no longer come close to these alternatives.

It will be a sad day for all of us that spent thousands of gold to level blacksmithing, running instances for all those nethers, and spending DKP on vortexes only to now have a weapon that is garbage.

At least I can get 12 gold for it at the vendor, now i just need 3000 more to replace the rest of the gold I wasted.

So as your weapon speed goes down with the buff so does your hemo damage.

Its basically the same thing as the paladin seal that increases your attack speed but reduces your damage.

Comment by kurioda

I have a Dragonstrike and i am a shaman i dual weild with wicked edge of the planes and im hitting for about 1000 damage every 2.50secs

Comment by HozzMidnight

Well the proc rate has gone down as of 2.2. And the proc is less effective.

Still, I think Dragonstrike is probably the best MH wep you can get as Fury until BT/Hyjal. The mace off KT is comparable I guess but nothing else is IMO.

Comment by xlr8

This mace makes me switch to blacksmitter.Its insane.

Comment by silentkami

okay what about fucking talon of azshara for rogues sword spec is much much better than mace the haste isnt comparable to the 5% chance of an extra hit on each weapon

Comment by Imperialist

I love dragonstrike, plus I just obtained the Talon Of Azshara for my one hand, it dropped 4 resets in a row for us, GG.

I am a fury warrior btw, and until I see something I like more, I am sticking with the Talon.

Dual wielding two slow weapons is the way to go as of 2.3, WW hits with both weapons, sweeping strikes, and permanent threat reduction. I haven't gone below number 3 in every raid and I am still able to keep my threat down. I am usually behind a warlock with 1800 shadow damage raid buffed = /

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Comment by Eeolya

Actually Current Spreadsheets for Fury Warriors tend to place DragonStrike well above the s3 weapons. Haste still is supreme for a Fury warrior. White dps is roughly 60-70% and haste improves that by all that much. Also faster attack speed will generate more rage through talent points thus more DPS.Next Patch Vortexes will be avaible for 10 badges of justice and 13 gold.

Comment by cbackus09

Could anyone give me a rough estimate on how much it would cost to level your blacksmithing from 0 to 375 and make the maces? I'd really appreciate if some one gave me a serious answer :).

Comment by mynameisob3l

i spent about 1600g going form 0-375. bought a lot of ore. if you have a miner alt you could save a lot, but time is money ;)

Comment by wenziz

My own paladin isn't there yet, but I wondered how this would do for paladin tanking?

My other options would be the sword, or the arena maces.

Comment by Coldkil

as a rogue i have this in mh and it hits hard. can anybody tell me an upgrade?

if i look at MAEP dragonstrike is under siphon of the nathrezim and ofc azzinoth's mh only.

Comment by Rakusu

One-hand on 2.4.2 PTR, along with the lesser versions.

Comment by Monok

Comment by lsfreak

You are correct that it stacks multiplicatively, but that's between different sources. All sources of haste *rating*, whether gear, procs, or buffs, are a single source, are all added together and then divide out to find the total percent. He was correct with how he added up the haste rating, though he messed up the multiplicative part.EDIT: Which your source, and yourself, even stated with the bolded part of the equation:Hasted Speed = Weapon Speed / ( (1+(Haste 1 %/100)) * (1+(Haste 2 %/100)) * (1+(((Haste Rating 1 + Haste Rating 2 + ... )/100)/15.7)) )EDIT Number Too-Many: Forget trying to add up all the possible haste buffs, I keep screwing it up >.>

Comment by Snitsky

That is not a double proc. Notice it says the length is 16 minutes...it was probably like a weight stone or something.

Comment by satdev

2.4.2 Live: The haste does not stack, it refreshes only and seems to proc more often.

Comment by Nlebl14

I was wondering what everyone though for a fury warrior PVE end game dps, Dual Dragonstrikes or the badge vendor Fist weapons would be better dps. I crafted and enchanted a 2nd DS but I'm hesitant to drop the 105 badges, what you guys think?

Comment by Nefedion

new patch they are one handed and non unique, and thus can be dual wielded. still not as good of an option as the badge fists however

Comment by TarALFA

Two Dragonstrikes tested at the immortal 60+ mage in DM North (after the King)Here is uptime for "Haste" buff collected with "Uptime Meter" addonBefore 2.4.2 one Dragonstrike was tested and i got 30% uptime.So with second Dragonstrike you just get (45%-30%)*13.44 ~ 2% hasteWaste of money--------------------------------------------The reason is: 20sec without buff, then 3-4 buffs in a row within 5sec. And total buff time not 40sec, but only 14-15 seconds. After that again 20sec without buff etc

Comment by Lobo2me

Haste rating increases your attack speed.

You take your total haste rating, divide by 1570, add this number to 1, and then divide your attack speed with the number you got. So for a 2.6 attack speed weapon with 212 haste rating you get 13.5% extra attack speed, which means your new attack speed will be 2.6 / 1.135 = 2.29.

Comment by Groar

Now that you can equip both of them I wonder whats the best enchant to go with these two? In my 1st its been Mongoose should I put mongoose on the 2nd or should I put something else like executioner or something really different for this combo?

Comment by znoxx

Although these maces offer great dmg and what seems to be an awesome proc I have to disappoint you all.

I DW these now and the proc rate is awfully low, it's not worth the sacrifice in stats if you ask me. I would rather go for the badge ones because the money invested to level Blacksmithing and gathering mats for this weapon is a waste of time, ty blizz.

Comment by Marwack

Blizzard won't really make those Weapons into 1Handers and none-unique, unless players really wanted those weapons to be so(Since Blizzard buffed almost everything.), the haste proc has a CHANCE to proc, so no matter what, you might not get your CHANCE for a faster proc, but others may get theirs...

I'm going to make my second DS shortly, and replace it with my Badges OH wep and test things out myself.

P.S:Might get too excited and never update this post... Who knows =]?

Comment by Groar

Well I tried both of these with Mongoose and it rocks in PVP. I don't notice the procs coz I don't have addons to monitor it but I do notice the DAMAGE it does. I've been giving crits to squishies and geared players from 1,200 to 1,900 and the occasional 2k or beyond crit. As a mace spec fury warrior I'm lovin every minute of it. Now I understand why Blizz had to make this weapon a unique mainhand only weapon in the past.

Comment by takayaro

minor question... if you have the lower version and upgrade it to the next version, will it keep the enchants on 'em or will you loose 'em?

Does the enchant get deleted? If so, that's sucks to enchant the lower and find more mats for the upgrade to be enchanted again.

PS. Not sure if this has already been answered previously.

Comment by Snitsky

For any warriors out there:

I've found the badge weapons to be superior for dps as fury, but when I'm prot and simply off-dpsing or doing dailies, farming, etc, dual wielding these gives me more dps. I believe its because most of my damage as prot is white damage, and because I'm spamming devastate to compliment my autoattacks it causes more procs, as I am constantly adding an attack.

When I went and tested out in Blasted Lands I got about 20-25 more dps on average while prot with these than with the badge weapons. That was based on spamming heroic strike and devastate as well as whirlwind every ten seconds though - basically what I'd normally do while dpsing as prot.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Fixed type of "Badlands" to "Blasted Lands"

Comment by wingman

Can someone clarify whether the procs from wielding 2 of those stack? (And therefore give 424 haste if both proc at the same time) Or whether it just refreshes the haste buff?

There were some people saying each method in the posts above.

Comment by Milchbar

The do NOT stack. I am dualwielding those two and after weeks of using them, I'm sure about this.

They do refresh themselves, though.

Comment by biggmacc

As a fury warrior dual wielding these (executioner mainhand, mongoose offhand), I find them quite exeptional. The 212 haste proc refreshes on a decent level, and wit more white hits, the proc AND flurry are up more often, resulting in a 2.70 weapon to be below 2.00 for a considerable amount of time for boss fights or just grinding.

Some would complain that these weapons offer no actual stagnant dps stats, so an alternative could be Dragonstrike mh with executioner and the badge fist weapon offhand weapon. At 2.5 weapon speed, it's a tad bit fast for my taste, but if you put mongoose on it, it could be a good 2nd choice because of more procs.

As for the cost of these weapons, if you aren't already a blacksmith, the mats for 2 AND leveling blacksmithing to 375 could cost you thousands of gold depending on your server. But honestly, dual wielding one of the biggest one-handed maces in game does look pretty sick :)

Comment by qazujm

Is this worth dualwielding?

Comment by xanthio

As a t6 raiding Enhancement Shaman I still haven't upgraded from Dragonstrike to another weapon. Currently all the available math (including extensive simulations performed with Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator by Yo) suggests that this weapon only has a single-digit DPS disadvantage (~4 dps in my simulations) when compared to any tier 6 main hand. This includes the badge vendor weapons. Field testing against my s3 main hand axe either confirms these numbers or even suggests they may be underestimating the proc's overall DPS value.

Given these results I am still using Dragonstrike in Sunwell and have no plans to replace it until either s4 or Hand of the Deceiver become available to me.

-X

Comment by TiME2SpEC

frankly it really depends on what your going for.the badge weapons i agree, without other items or talents considered, are much better.the proc on these however makes them (depending on your luck of course) a much higher DPS than the fists... but only during a proc.

also, if you stack haste, these proc more often, means more dps, and a more significant gain over the badge weapons, however just with normal T4~ gear the fist are IMO of course far better.

not just saying this because i use two, just saying that for a haste stacker, these in the end will hit much harder.

Comment by gakuto

Dragonstrike is effectively about 110 DPS when the haste proc is up, which is comparable to S4 weapons. But the proc rate isn't as high so it averages out pretty close to about 100 DPS.

Comment by Jugwalker

I'm not very good at math, and I haven't played WoW in over a year, but I'm planning on coming back pretty soon and want to have an idea of what I'm going to do gear-wise when I come back. Is Dragonstrike superior to Vanir's Right Fist for a dwarf fury warrior? Also, how do each compare to Syphon of the Nathrezim? Thanks for your help.

Comment by blockface

I don't know whether to make the switch from Prot to Fury when I get to 70 and I don't know whether to duel wield. How much are the mats?

Comment by blockface

Is it worth making this over the first version?

Comment by und3rtak3r

i am looking for some good weapons and i am thinking about this mace. can i still dualwield it? and is it better then stormherald if i am a master hammersmith? thx helpers

Comment by Archangel76

It's just a shame that Blizz took away unique weapons like this one and others for blacksmiths in WotLK.It took a lot of the fun out of blacksmithing and made it very vanilla.

Comment by Vrominelli

Comment by Krix007

The weapon can still be made, but only by someone who already knew the recipe before the change. Don't do what I did and forget that it's BoP. Spent a few thousand gold on the mats then realized it's impossible for me to get...

Comment by ElLual29

Would be nice with mogging coming if they took some of the more unique models and made them BoE.

Comment by sirjohn2

They should def make the BS weapons come back. I mean all the other prof's got to keep their special armor and stuff, why take these out?

Comment by foolotto

For those blacksmiths lucky enough to have learned the pattern this will be a fantastic weapon for transmogrification . A huge 1H mace with a molten, menacing dragon's head. Very apropos for tanking Deathwing.

Comment by Necklesstim

I wonder if there is a way to petition for Blizzard to bring these back for transmogrification. This mace is literally the only one i found to be cool enough to go with my Merciless Gladiator set. Sucks that they were ever removed.

Comment by Arakaine

Don't make the same mistake I did and buy all of the mats for all three tiers (Drakefist Hammer, Dragonmaw and this) before checking to see if the pattern is still trainable for transmorg purposes. As of 12-8-2011, it is not available on any trainer due to the removal of Weaponsmith and Armorsmith specializations in Patch 4.0.1. I submitted a ticket and was told that the designers are aware of this oversight but unfortunately the GM had no ETA for a fix. I really wanted to stand out with such a unique item model. :(

Comment by Vifor

This recipe can still be learned somewhere in 4.3?

Comment by Sykoo

Well my warrior was one of the fortunate ones to make one of these items back during BC. And I stored it in my bank at the time after I stopped using it because the mats were obsurd to farm at the time and I thought they were bringing the blacksmithing specialties back into the game at some point.. So this item will be for sure getting those maces from Endtime transmog'd. Gotta love being a packrat. Will post a screen shot when I finish leveling the toon to 85. Just hit 82 a few minutes ago.

Comment by Grishie

This is perhaps the coolest 1-handed mace in the game, and those blacksmithers that still have it should be very happy, as using this transmogged is rare, yet beautiful!

Comment by Aquifel

New from 5.2 PTR Patch notes!

The legacy weapons Blizzard said Blacksmiths could craft at the 5.2 Lightning Forge are in! They're versions of old BC Weaponsmith items.

This is one of the ones available :D. For a complete list of items available, along with more info on how to craft the new versions, check Lightning Steel Ingot.