Next to our house, buying an RV is probably the most expensive purchase you will make in a lifetime. When buying a house, it’s normal to have it checked out by a home inspector. Do you realize you can do the same thing with an RV? In this week’s RV interview of the week, we’ll introduce you to the National RV Inspectors Association of America and tell you what needs to be checked out by a pro before you sign on the dotted line.

Plus this week, some great RV tips, lots of RV news and a wonderful off the beaten path report from the Burketts.

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Show Notes for Episode #207 august 29, 2018 of Roadtreking – The RV Podcast:

WHAT MIKE AND JENNIFER ARE UP TO THIS WEEK

Well here it is…it’s the big Labor Day Weekend. Summer’s last big hurrah and a major travel time for millions.

JENNIFER

I can’t believe how fast summer has gone by. It seems like we were just talking about Memorial Day and the start of summer and now Summer is coming to a close. I saw on our Roadtreking Facebook Group that our friend Campskunk awoke in the Beartooth Mountains out west to a pretty thick covering if snow the other day! Snow! Can you believe it? We’ve been sweating in the heat and humidity that has gripped most of North America these past couple of weeks but those snow pictures from Campskunk tell us what is coming.

MIKE

Seeing those snow pictures got me thinking about snow and winter and our annual campout in the snow that we do every January. So, Jennifer and I want you to know that we are once again taking Bo up camping at Tahquamenon Falls in Michigan's Upper Peninsula January 11-13, 2019. If you want to come, you need to make reservations now.

JENNIFER

This is an informal gathering open to all. We have a tradition of five years of doing this and Bo insists on a snow vacation before we head south. Anyway, we have reserved site 177. If you also want to head up there, you need to reserve your own spot with the Michigan DNR at Tahquamenon Falls State Park, at the Lower Falls Hemlock campground. We’ll put a link to the Michigan DNR booking site in the shownotes for this episode at Roadtreking-dot-com-slash-207

There are electric hookups at each site.

MIKE

If you do reserve a spot, then join our Facebook group for the winter campout. We’ll also put a link to that closed Facebook Group site in the shownotes for this episode at Roadtreking-dot-com-slash-207 Let us know there that you're coming and what spot you reserve.

JENNIFER

Depending on how many will also be there that weekend, we will make dinner reservations in Paradise.
There will be snow shoeing, hiking and exploring. All kinds of RVs are welcome!

A 10-year-old boy was attacked by a bear at Yellowstone National Park last week while hiking with his family up Divide Trail. The bear appeared out of the bush and charged the family, causing the boy to flee. The bear chased the boy, knocking him to the ground, while his parents got out their bear spray, sprayed the bear in the face, enabling them to grab their son and flee. The boy was taken to an area hospital and is expected to be ok. But the report got me thinking back to an interview we did on the podcast two years ago with an expert on Bear Spray. (Click here to listen.) Bear spray is something everyone should have when hiking in bear country. To learn more about the Yellowstone attack, click here.

Speaking of Yellowstone, do you remember the report we shared with you recently about the man caught on video taunting a bison at Yellowstone National Park late last month? The man apologized in court last week, and pleaded guilty to four charges tied to drunken misbehavior at both Grand Teton National Park and Yellowstone. His sentence included 130 days behind bars, banned from three national parks for five years, and other things. The man's charges included disorderly conduct, resisting/interfering with a law enforcement officer, storing open alcohol in a vehicle and, of course, disturbing wildlife. To learn more click here or here.

Theft from RV repair and storage facilities is a growing problem we've discussed with you on the Podcast, and once again it made the news last week. This time thieves hurt a small business in California (click here) breaking into 23 RVs stealing televisions, tools, propane tanks, and other miscellaneous items. The problem of RV thefts from storage lots is so bad, in northern Indiana, where RVs and travel trailers are made, police created a special crime investigation unit specializing in RV thefts. (To read more click here). As the summer travel season is winding down, if you store your RV somewhere, be sure to ask what is done to guard against theft.

One of my favorite things about visiting national parks, and getting away from everything, is the silence. An interesting article out last week pointed out that the national parks aren't really silent, rather they are lacking human noise -but full of animal and nature noise. And hearing those sounds is good for you. The National Park Service has a division that's been recording the sound of the national parks, and this week you can listen for free here. To read more about the story behind it, click here.

Oregon Parks and Recreation is lowering the price of campsites offering electrical and full hook-ups by $7 per night in a special pilot program this fall. Parks officials want to see if discounted prices will lure more people outdoors, according to an article out last week. So anyone making a new reservation for Sunday-Thursday in September, or any night in October, can use a special code at select state parks and save . To learn more click here.

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JENNIFER'S RV TIP OF THE WEEK

This week's tip comes from a listener named Barbara, who lives in Arizona with her husband Ken. Barbara and Ken were RVers for about 12 years and had two motorhomes: First, a Class C, then a Class A. Barbara writes that she and Ken met Mike back in June 2013 at a seminar he taught for the FMCA Convention. Just six weeks after that convention Ken had a stroke and their RV days came to an end.

Ken could no longer drive their RV, and Barbara writes she was a “total chicken” to drive the Class A, so they sold it. But, after several years of staying put, their house is on the market and Barbara and Ken hope to move to North Carolina and get a CS Adventurous XL. Barbara said she has already taken the CS XL for a test drive and was shocked how easy it was for her to drive. Barbara really wants to travel more, but does not like flying, so she says it is time to get back to RVing.

Refrigerator tray for liquids

Barbara wrote to share two quick tips she hopes will be helpful for others. Let me read Barbara's words to you:

“On one of our RV trips, a plastic jug of milk leaked in the Class C refrigerator. The leaked milk puddled in the refrigerator bottom and dripped down onto the cabinet and heater vents below. What a smelly mess!! After that, I set all liquid containers on plastic trays to catch any leaks in the Class C and the Class A refrigerators. The trays I used are the same type one would use in a hotel to hold coffee makers, etc. I actually bought our trays at a hotel “going out of business” sale. But the same type of trays can be purchased at a restaurant supply store. Just make sure the trays have raised sides to hold leaks/spills.”

Kitty liter for odor control

And the second tip?

Writes Barbara: ” I wanted a space saving way to keep the motorhome refrigerator and freezer odor free, when on the road and in storage. We have a cat, and it occurred to me to try a litter box filter. I used Petmate Zeolite/Charcoal filters, left the filters in the plastic packages and cut off the tops to expose the filters. The packages were thin enough to slip behind items in the refrigerator and freezer doors. Voila!! No more odors. I think it is Petmate’s combination of zeolite and charcoal that prevented odors.”

Barbara – I love both of these tips and appreciate you taking the time to write and share them. Sometimes it is the little things like this that make a huge difference while we're out there in our RVs!

I had no trouble finding trays like you described on restaurant supply webpages. And of course looked at Amazon, and found many different sizes a types there.

Barbara's other trip, of putting the Petmate Zeolite/charcoal filters in the refrigerator to control odors was something that never occurred to me but it sounds like a space saving way to effectively control freezer odor. The filters can be found at pet stores, and of course Amazon has those too. On Amazon they sold for $4.79

I'll attach the two pictures that Barbara sent us and some links to the products in the show notes. Thank you so much Barbara for writing and sharing your knowledge and I hope we get to meet you and Ken out there on the road someday.

And be sure to send me your tips and suggestions for the RV lifestyle. You can use the “Leave Voicemail” link at Roadtreking.com. Just click it and then use the built-in microphone on your computer or mobile devise to record a message to me. You can do it over as many times as you want, until you are satisfied. And then you just click a button and it comes right to my email inbox.

I love hearing from you!

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LISTENER RV QUESTIONS OF THE WEEK

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RV INTERVIEW OF THE WEEK

Next to our house, buying an RV is probably the most expensive purchase you will make in a lifetime. When buying a house, it’s normal to have it checked out by a home inspector. Do you realize you can do the same thing with an RV? In this week’s RV interview of the week, we’ll introduce you to the National RV Inspectors Association of America and tell you what needs to be checked out by a pro before you sign on the dotted line.

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Here’s a transcript of the interview:

Jennifer Wendland: Buying an RV is such an exciting thing, but it can also be a little scary, 'cause for most of us, next to buying a home, it's the most expensive purchase we've ever made. So, how do we know we're not buying a lemon?

Mike Wendland: Well, when you buy a home, you have a home inspector check it out before you put down the money. Well, you can do the same thing with an RV. In our interview of the week, we're going to meet an official from the RV Inspector's Association. Joining us right now from the National RV Inspector's Association is Stephanie Henson. She is the Director of Administration for the, let's get this right, the NRVIA.

Stephanie Henson: Yes, sir.

Mike Wendland: And she comes to us from Athens, Texas. So, welcome to the podcast, Stephanie. We're glad to have you on.

Stephanie Henson: Thank you for having me.

Mike Wendland: Well, as you know, the RV business is exploding, and many many people are in the midst of trying to come up with a way that they can get an RV. And that takes them searching for used RVs. Then come a lot of questions. ‘Cause most of us are not really qualified to tell what's a good buy and what isn't.

Stephanie Henson: Right.

Mike Wendland: And that's where your group comes in. Talk about the history of your group and how it works, from the consumer's end.

Stephanie Henson: Absolutely. Okay. Well, so in our industry, what we talk about oftentimes is that people don't know what they don't know. When they go to buy an RV, especially on a used unit, you don't know what kind of issues that you might be inheriting from that previous owner. Our organization comes in and helps. Think of the home inspection market. When you buy a home, you have a home inspected before you buy it. It's the same concept on the RV side.

You're buying or selling an RV, you want someone to come in and be able to do a thorough examination of the condition of that unit before you purchase it or make that hefty investment. Some of these used motor homes are quite still very expensive. Our organization started in 2013. We saw a need for this kind of service in our industry. We have always been in RV maintenance training. This is really a family-owned company. The gentlemen who does our teaching is Terry Cooper, known as the Texas RV Professor. Many of the people in our industry are familiar with Terry Cooper already. He was getting phone calls and really just inundated by people who knew his skills and his knowledge, wanting him to come in, and “Hey, Copper, check out this unit for me before I buy it.”

Because of those repeat asks and seeing how people were being taken advantage of on the used RV side, he felt like there should be some kind of standardization out there for what needs to be checked on an RV before it's purchased. Or before it's even sold sometimes, if the inspections purchased by the seller. So our organization was formed. We started recruiting across the United States for individuals who would want to start an RV inspection business. And we put together the training that was needed for that. And we formed a standards of practice and a code of ethics that our members would need to follow as part of being in NRVIA inspector.

And we've been recruiting since then. We went into business as far as actually booking inspections in January of 2014, and our industry has just continued to grow. We currently have around 375 active inspectors across the United States. And we hold classes every month to recruit new members obviously and get their training done so they can become certified.

And we are all over the United States. Obviously we have more members in certain areas like Texas, in Florida, California, Arizona, the states where there's a lot of heavy RV sales. But we do have members across the United States to be able to help any RV buyer.

Mike Wendland: Now Stephanie, how would this work? Let's just say I found a travel trailer for example, I'm interested in. It's five or six years old but it looks good to me. But I don't know. So how do I then get an inspector? What's the process for bringing one of your inspectors on? What kind of things do they check? And it could be a motor home, it could be a different type of an RV. Do they have expertise in all of those areas?

Stephanie Henson: Absolutely. So our inspectors are trained to be able to check any type of RV. As long as it's travel trailer, fifth wheel, motor home. All classes. The one thing that the, I guess the two things that the NRVIA kind of shies away from and that's park models and tiny homes. Because they're built differentially and that's not part of what we train our inspectors to inspect.

The easiest way to find an inspector when you're ready to have an inspection is to, our website which is nrvia.org. We have a locator system on our site that is usable by the public. And you just search by city and state for wherever that RV is located, and a list of the inspectors that are located in that area will come up. You can check out their inspector profile before you give them a call.

They have their own websites. Oftentimes they have their own Facebook business page, where they will share pictures and information about their inspections that they're doing. And you can just get in touch with them by calling or emailing. An inspector's going to be able to tell you, obviously their availability, but also be able to break down what they do in their inspection.

Some inspectors offer a low scale, maybe just a safety items only inspection. And then they may offer a more through detailed inspection that takes several hours to do. So the inspector can share pricing, and inspection points for you to be able to select what they have to offer.

Mike Wendland: Well give us a ball park. What are some of the costs that might be involved, and then what are the things that they would check? Let's use my example of a travel trailer and then maybe also a motor home. What do they check? And I know you said there's different tiers that people can buy. But ballpark figures and also I assume they will go to wherever the RV is. If it's in a private driveway, or if it's at a dealership lot, and they will check it there. Is that true?

Stephanie Henson: Each inspector runs his or her own business, so things can vary depending on who your talking to. But for the most part, when a client calls in and wants to know how much I can expect to pay, I let them know, if you're looking at like a class a motor home. That's what the typical buyer is purchasing.

People who are buying these higher end units are the ones usually getting inspections. They would expect to spend no less than three or four hundred dollars. And it could be upwards to 800 maybe even a grand depending on the unit. What all was included in the inspection. It's kind of like, the more details that you get in your report, that's the more time the inspector's gonna need to spend. So the investment's a little bit higher.

We also, for motor homes, can do fluid analysis testing where we actually take a sample of the engine oil, transmission fluid, radiator fluid. Thank of it as like annual blood work but for your engine and your transmission. We can provide the customer with a very detailed report that indicates whether there are maybe certain types of metals or fluids that are in those components that shouldn't be, and what that means. The recommended maintenance to get that fixed.

But the typical things for an inspection, there's so much. The average inspection report is around 50 pages long. Includes some pictures and data on the rig. But we will do safety checks, like checking for hot skin. We do propane leak tests. Make sure that the propane system is not leaking. We obviously check all of the detectors and make sure that they're in code. We check the tires. We not only check for condition, but we check the date codes, because you have to replace your tires every five to seven years. Regardless of how many miles are on them.

We do things like, we will check for water intrusion. One thing that people usually don't do when they buy a used rig is get up on the roof and check out the roof condition. And often times, visually, you can see signs of past damage or current damage that indicates there's another issue going on there that you just can't see under the skin.

We check all the sealants, and we look for cracks and things like that that might indicate another issue going on inside the rig. We'll check your refrigerator, your air conditioner, the systems and appliances that are on the RV.

Mike Wendland: So this is peace of mind in buying of course, a used RV. I would imagine that your inspectors have found some pretty amazing things that the average buyer would not have known about if he had just bought it without an inspection. Can you share any of those anecdotes about things that they have found.

Stephanie Henson: Sure. The most memorable one, humorous, and this is from our early days. There was a lady over in California who was looking at a class C in Florida. She called us up and asked for an inspector go out, check this unit because she didn't want to purchase the air fare to fly down and look at it. She would rather us take a look at it for her, and then if she likes it after the report she's going to go pick it up.

We arrived on site and the unit had a bunch of University of Florida Gator stickers, decals, on the side walls. There was probably five or six. It was a little too much honestly. So the inspectors, it kind of caught his attention. And he's taking pictures and he starts noticing there's kind of a ripple within the decal. He started pulling it back, and there was actually side wall cracks. And these decals were being used like patches.

Even though the seller indicated, oh yeah the guy that I bought it from was a big Florida Gator fan. But regardless, they were being used to hide defect. So he took pictures of it, sent it, texted it over to the potential buyer. She backed out of the sell immediately. Because she said, “Look, if he's trying to hide this, then obviously this is not the unit I want to purchase.”

Mike Wendland: Boy you can certainly see why that would stop that sell. And one thing that was interesting is that sometimes we…RVs are really hard to find. Particularly used class Bs and they may be in another part of the country.

Stephanie Henson: Right.

Mike Wendland: So instead of investing $500 in an airplane ticket-

Stephanie Henson: Right.

Mike Wendland: Investing it in an RV inspector before you really get excited about it is not a bad way to spend that money.

Stephanie Henson: Absolutely. Sometimes the inspectors will start the inspection and find maybe a couple of really big issues, and go ahead and call the client and say, “Look, I haven't even made it through my first page of information and these are things I've found. Do you want me to continue the inspection? Because oftentimes the client will say, “Okay, nevermind. Thank you.”

And we get a lot of repeat business. And clients are so impressed with the amount of information they get, and especially if they're in love with a particular floor plan that they're trying to hunt down a used unit, and so they've got to look at multiple units across the United States. They'll use our inspectors two or three times before they find the unit that fits their floor plan, their budget and checks out with our inspection.

Mike Wendland: Money well spent. Now, turning it around, this is a career opportunity for I would imagine a lot of people who maybe they've got a mechanical background. They're really good. They've been Rving for a while and they're looking for a way to build a business and allow them to use it.

Stephanie Henson: Sure.

Mike Wendland: How does one become an RV inspector?

Stephanie Henson: Sure. So we actually have two different ways. We do have a training path for the type of person that you were just describing, where maybe they already have a mechanical background with RVs. Maybe they've been Rving for several years themselves and are pretty familiar with the components. Or maybe they're also a tech. They actually own an RV repair business, but they want to add this to their existing business. We have an online training program for that type of individual.

Kind of think of it as like an online college course. You watch some material, take quizzes. Take exams. And fulfill your certification through that route. Which is done directly on our website, NRVIA.org. Or for the individual who is maybe new to Rving, or maybe a home inspector who wants to add RVs to his existing inspection business. Or a lot of people that we have in our organization are full time RV'ers. They've hit the rode, and they're traveling full time. But they're operating an inspection business on the road.

Helps them write off some of their traveling expenses. So we have a hands-on class for those students. And most of the people who come to our organization to become members have come through our hands-on course. It's a five day class that's held at the national RV training academy in Athens, Texas. And we go over all of the RV systems and appliances that they are going to be encountering during their inspection. And we have an advanced inspector course that's also available hands-on, where we put them through full scale, very detailed inspections. Fluid analysis testing, things like that, so that they can offer the best services to their customers.

Mike Wendland: Well, it's just a great opportunity for people who want to start a business on the side. But particularly for most of our listeners and watchers on our RV lifestyle channel on YouTube, this is also a way to have peace of mind. It's very hard to get. It takes almost a year now to buy a new RV and have it made at the factory. Many people going to the lots buying used or buying units that have been sitting around lots. And I think this is a great service and we want to recommend it to.

We'll put a link to the NRVIA.org website in the show notes for this episode. Hey thank you so much for being a part of the podcasts. And best to you guys.

Stephanie Henson: Thank you.

Mike Wendland: Thanks for providing that service.

Stephanie Henson: Thanks for inviting us to be on the show today.

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RV TRAVELING TECH TIP:

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OFF THE BEATEN PATH RV REPORT

By Tom and Patti Burkett

We spent a lot of our early years driving back and forth on interstate 70–Philadelphia, Columbus, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Denver. It’s one of the unsexiest roads in America: ragged pavement, relentless trucks, miles of urban and industrial sprawl. Because the road is so disagreeable, we've blown through the stretch from Columbus to St. Louis more times than we can count. On a recent trip, we were driving US 40 (the National Road) instead, just to avoid the interstate, and passed through downtown Terre Haute, Indiana, a place we’ve skirted dozens of times.

Sitting proudly on a corner was a nicely kept brick building with a big green awning that sported the distinctive red and white Clabber Girl logo. If you’ve ever been at a Roadtrek gathering with the Burketts, you’ll know that we are biscuit makers, and that box of baking powder with the picture of the curly-haired girl is always on our shelf. The sign in the window below the awning said bakery-café, and who could pass that up?

To our great disappointment, the café had closed for the day, but the museum with which is shared the first floor was still open. We spent the better part of an hour wandering through the building. To be fair, the story should start with clabber. Early Scots immigrants brought this yogurt-like curdled milk dish with them when they came to Appalachia. Southern cooks soon realized that a couple of spoonsful, added to a batter, made biscuit, cake, and bread doughs rise quickly and reliably. Soon after, enterprising homemakers mixed dried clabber with a few other common kitchen ingredients and made the first baking powder.

At the museum, we learned that Francis Hulman, a German immigrant, was a successful grocer in Terre Haute. In 1850 he convinced his brother Herman to join him, and they began a wholesale grocery enterprise that is still robust today, known mostly for kitchen basics like baking powder, cornstarch, gelatin, and pudding mixes. Their grandson Tony is a legendary figure in the town. He was a major donor in the campaign to build the Catholic church, a major donor to the first local hospital, and helped build the Rose-Hulman technical institute. The Hulman company installed the first telephone switchboard in town (you can see it in the museum), and were early adopters of electric lights and equipment.

Tony spread the Clabber Girl brand far and wide with advertising campaigns. His branded horse-drawn delivery wagons traveled four states to promote and deliver Clabber Girl products to hundreds of mom and pop grocery stores in cities and little towns. After World War 2, Tony's friend Eddie Rickenbacker convinced him that the run-down Indianapolis Motor Speedway would be another great advertising gambit, and even today the Hulman Company owns The Brickyard. Hulman himself raced a bit, and his car, The Gray Ghost, is on display at the museum.

Also at the museum a replica kitchens from different eras. In the 1850s kitchen, we learned that bakers tested the temperature of their coal or wood fired oven by sticking in a hand. A quick oven was one from which the hand was withdrawn in a hurry, and was best for cooking biscuits and such. A slow oven was just the opposite, and was the way to go with roasts and tough cuts of meat. Beyond the museum is the cafe, a display of the original electric generator for the factory, and a teaching kitchen, where bakers demonstrate their craft. A tray of danish pastries, clearly left over from a recent event, was on the counter. Tom didn't see why we shouldn't sample one, but I was adamant that he leave them alone.

One door, a dozen stories. We literally had the place to ourselves. Next time our paths cross, we'll tell you about Rex Coffee and how it was resurrected. Or about Francis' letter to Herman that convinced him to emigrate. If you don't stop here, stop somewhere else. Just stop, and you'll find something worth looking at. Chances are good you might see us too, because we spend almost all our time hanging out here, far off (or just off) the beaten path.

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