“I said it,” Buehrle said today. “It’s an old story. Again, we are not bringing drama inside and past history stuff. So, I said it, meant it. It’s over, and we’ll move on.”

MLB.com deleted the quote from a story about Buehrle without explanation, apparently deciding that it didn’t want to disseminate a quote from one of its players about wanting another athlete to suffer an injury. But Buehrle isn’t claiming he was misquoted or distancing himself from his words.

And Buehrle also isn’t backing away from his belief that there’s no comparison between his own hobby of hunting and Vick’s involvement in dog fighting.

“Hunting is a sport,” Buehrle said. “There are hunting stores out there. If that’s illegal, shame on my dad and my grandpa and his grandpa. It’s kind of been brought up throughout the history of America. The last time I knew dog fighting was a sport was never.”

I was about to chalk this one up to one mans opinion and even give him some credit for not saying his words were taken out of context….AND THEN…I read the last paragraph. Wow. Not a bright dude.

Cause everything “brought up throughout the history of America” has been good. I won’t start naming things because that would start a racial/political/religious/ect argument, but holy smokes man!

hobartbaker says:Feb 17, 2011 7:15 PM

Vick would only say that he wished that the next time Buehrle was out grazing peacefully in the wilderness, a sharp solid object travelling at great velocity ripped through his midsection and vital organs, causing a lingering death through massive blood loss.

devilinmypocket says:Feb 17, 2011 7:16 PM

Good for him. The Philadelphia crotch-nuzzlers will probably tear you apart for having the audacity to point out dear Saint Vick is scum, but good for you man. This could be one of the first times someone in the spotlight said what they meant and didn’t waffle from it in the name of PR; Good or bad, it’s a real thought, and to hell with what you think of it.

I’d rather have more of this than LeBron James and his ‘Oh, that was just random coincidence’ or ‘I didn’t mean it THAT way’

bucks12965 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:18 PM

This just made my day! Someone with an opinion that isn’t popular, but didn’t backpedal and apologize.

Mark Buehrle is an idiot!!!! First off dog fighting has been aroung longer than any sport!!! I am in no way syaing what Vick did was right, but wishing he gets hurt??? WTF ….Did he wish Dante Stallworth or Leonard Little would get hurt too??? They actually killed people!!!!!!! Here is a history lesson for you people….” dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (17th century through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century”….. WAY BEFORE MIKE VICK WAS EVER BORN!!!!!!!!

austskate says:Feb 17, 2011 7:19 PM

This guy is a clown. Vick paid his dues. Is it honestly necessary to keep going after him? He may know a think or 2 about dogfighting from his dad and grandpa if he grew up where Vick did.

Refreshing to see somebody not fall back on “I was misquoted” or “I didn’t mean it.”. I’m now even more of a Mark Buehrle fan. Mark, you’re not alone. Every time we watch the Eagles, we hope Vick suffers the same fate that he perpetrated on those dogs. Every time he throws an interception, I look for Andy Reid to electrocute him, or slam him to the ground, repeatedly, until he dies. That’s the way Mike rolled when he was in charge, so why should it be any different for him?

eagleman11 says:
Feb 17, 2011 7:18 PM
Mark Buehrle is an idiot!!!! First off dog fighting has been aroung longer than any sport!!!

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Your stupid… Sorry, it had to be said. Really, so hunting doesn’t date back to early human years, I think that happened just a little while before the 1700s lol.

For those calling him out for being a hunter, hunting is a necessary way to control the population of wild animals. If we do not hunt, we will start seeing deer taking over the N.Y. Subway.

I never say I want to see an NFL player get hurt. I may smile on the inside when I see certain players injured. However, I make an exception for Vick. I hope someone separates his head from his body.

The guy should still be in jail, no not for dog fighting, but for criminal conspiracy, money laundering and funding and illegal, inter-state gambling ring. Anyone else would still be in jail for this. Add on the animal cruelty and his sentence should be at least 20 years.

Killing is killing, you can justify it all you want, but you still took the life of someone or something.

suzanne1957 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:42 PM

OMG Buehrle is really showing his ignorance! Hunting is ok because his family did it? Hahahahahahahaha. Then I guess it’s okay for Mike Vick to participate in dog fighting because that’s the culture he grew up in! At least Vick has repented, and now works to stop dogfighting. Until Buehrle is man enough to admit his failings and work to stop them, it probably would be best if he kept his mouth shut.

bigbigodnarb says:Feb 17, 2011 7:42 PM

I love the idiots who thumb down my comment. Just because your form of killing animals is legal that does not make it any different morally. So don’t think you have some moral high ground as you take your high powered rifle and kill an innocent animal as its eating some grass because you’d rather slay a deer rather than read a damn book. Get a new hobby if you want to cast aspersions.

smellmyface says:Feb 17, 2011 7:42 PM

So why is Buehrle a idiot for thinking Vick is trash?

And people trying to compare what Vick did to hunting are retarded. The only people that are ok with what Vick did are blacks and stupid Eagles fans

roscoepcoaltrain86 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:46 PM

I’m still trying to figure out the love affair with Vick now. He’s been a great player and showed he still is. But the strange media embrace he has received is creepy. Even oprah was wanting to kiss his ass. And then… Reality (normal people) responded and said no way to going on oprah like your cleansed of your sins with regular people. If Vick was white would he have such a media love affair and would oprah even invite him on her show? JUST SAYING

tchurch316 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:46 PM

First time commenting on this site. While I agree that it is nice to see an athlete stick to his words when he speaks them, it does not however make the words any more intelligent. Buehrle has now brought himself into the epic battle of Pro and Anti Vick supporters, enjoy that.

i hunt and eat what i kill. and i think vick is a jackass. look i know he (did his time) if that’s what u call it… but hunters aren’t tormenting what they kill, and yes they kill things and some people are for sport others eat what they shoot or trap. there not fighting them or electricuting the animals. and every person that blogs here has a dad or grandfather or someone in there past relations who have hunted. p.s. one last thing there’s a difference between legally hunting deer or elk etc…. and mans best friend.

boknowsvt says:Feb 17, 2011 7:50 PM

austskate says: Feb 17, 2011 7:19 PM

This guy is a clown. Vick paid his dues. Is it honestly necessary to keep going after him? He may know a think or 2 about dogfighting from his dad and grandpa if he grew up where Vick did.

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That’s it, blame society for Vick’s actions. It was accepted where he’s from so therefore it’s o.k. That argument may work if Vick had been 7-years-old but he was in his late 20’s when he was finally caught. He’s a big boy and old enough to know what’s right and wrong.

Not a Vick fan but I am tired of people putting dogs at a human level. Sure Fido slobbers all over you and is probably the only living creature that you could get to love you but that does not put him any near the level of a human being. Even if your pet is the only living creature that will idolize and adore you it does not make him part of your family. Buerhle wished harm on another human being, to me, that is a bigger wrong than what Vick did. Animals are mistreated everyday….just ask the cow or chicken you had for dinner tonight. In alot of other cultures, dogs are served right along with these other animals. I hope one of Buerhle’s dogs turns the tables and takes a bite out of him for animals everywhere.

This Mark Buehrle dude is a bum. “I hope he gets injured” Wow and this is a professional athlete?

Hopefully this bum don’t blow out his elbow.

metalhead65 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:51 PM

finaly someone who says something somebody finds offensive and stands behind it. you do not have to agree with it or like it but he has the right to say what he wants. the constitution gives us the right to free speech not p.c. speech but free speech. and anyone who considers hunting on the same leval as dog fighting well there is no point in arguing with someone that stupid. I don’t hunt but know the difference from a wild animal and torturing pets.

bigbigodnarb says:Feb 17, 2011 7:51 PM

smellmyface says:
Feb 17, 2011 7:42 PM

And people trying to compare what Vick did to hunting are retarded. The only people that are ok with what Vick did are blacks and stupid Eagles fans

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No one condones what Vick did, you slimy bigot, but rather people of all races disdain the rank hypocrisy of boisterous morons who love to spout nonsense on online forums.

patmccabe69 says:Feb 17, 2011 7:52 PM

Mark Buehrle is the best!

If he wasn’t a famous NFL player, Vick would still be in prison passing the soap.

bigbigodnarb – I hunt. Let’s hear what you think about hunting the next time you plow your car into a deer. Killing an animal for food with a single shot is night and day different than letting animals tear each other apart for sport. Not to mention what Vick did to the losers.

If he wasn’t a famous NFL player, Vick would still be in prison passing the soap.

Wrong! Most people get a couple of months in county jail and a $500 fine for dog fighting.

benchillada says:Feb 17, 2011 8:01 PM

While I am not a hunter by any sort of the word, there is no comparison to be found between hunting non-domesticated animals and literally forcing dogs to fight each other to the death. Not to mention that dog-fighting is illegal and hunting (in most states) is not.

bigbigodnarb says:Feb 17, 2011 8:02 PM

cup1981 says:
Feb 17, 2011 7:41 PM

For those calling him out for being a hunter, hunting is a necessary way to control the population of wild animals. If we do not hunt, we will start seeing deer taking over the N.Y. Subway.

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STFU with this stupidity. You’re acting as though hunters, when they are shooting deer, they aren’t doing it for fun, but because they are trying to protect humankind. If you actually believe that, you should go back and finish the third grade.

“The last time I knew dog fighting was a sport was never.” <– That made me laugh haha

ny82jy says:Feb 17, 2011 8:15 PM

Bottom line.. Vick took pleasure in killing animals. How much bigger of a sign do you need than that to see people who do things like that arent right in the head..I am against hunting to but at least people have a reason for doing it wheather it be for food or trophy or cloths etc.. Whats the reason for him killing dogs? Cause they lost a stupid dog fight? It just shows the intellegence of him and the people he associates or associated with.. Just cant believe that there are so many people who try and justify what he did was right or ok. Its amazing. The guy is a thug piece of s*it !!

I hated what Vick did but if we are accepting the courts decisions on sentencing we have to give him some slack. I love my dogs and would be out for vengeance if someone harmed them but after he was found guilty and served his time I usually have no problem forgiving him because I don’t like carry grudges if only makes me feel bad.

@patmccabe69: F*#k you and Buehrle. And f*#k hunting too! It is, without a doubt, the dumbest “sport” out there. It’s not like every time you shoot something it dies instantly, sometimes hunters tag a deer and aren’t even good enough to kill it so it runs off and bleeds to death, what a way to die. Vick is the man, he did his time and came out a changed man and is doing a phenomenal job on the field. Anyone who supports this Buehrle prick has their head up their a$$.

These comments are so funny.. You guys actually want a human being to get seriously hurt because he killed some dogs and faught them.. Wow… So I wonder what you want to happen to Rothilsberger for rapping women?? Man… If you ask ms you guys are just as bad as any criminal that wants someone to get hurt for something they already paid debts for.. I mean last time I checked he went thru the all mighty due process set forth on his U.S. given rights. I guess I should say I hope Buehrle throws his shoulder out the next game he pitches and ends his career for making comments about someone else like that.. Idiots….

steelerfan9598 says:Feb 17, 2011 8:36 PM

‘Lot’s of people fight dogs’. True.
Is it standard protocol to electrocute, drown or bash their heads in also?

hobartbaker says:Feb 17, 2011 8:43 PM

Buehrle has had to scrape by on $56 million over the past 4 years. God knows where his family would be without venison to get them through the winter.

timegambit says:Feb 17, 2011 8:45 PM

Hunting is wildlife management.

If we don’t control the populations of animals they will over-populate and starve to death, or die of disease or just pile-up on the side of our freeways.

Controlling their populations is the most civilized and humane thing we can do, as humans. It’s our responsibility.

Can you say the same for watching two dogs rip each other into pieces?

Grew up in PA. Son of a hunter. Grew up around tons of hunters. I never hunted, but spent time at camp in the hunting environment. I will say this: they respected the hunt, respected the animal. The culture was don’t take the shot unless you’re sure it will be lethal – don’t let the animal suffer. Therein lies the difference. Vick TORTURED those dogs. Made them SUFFER INTENTIONALLY. Real hunters only take what they are going to eat or give away for food. Trophy hunters are another story. The blind association with real hunters and dog fighters is complete BS.

One of the previous post said hunting and trapping is unlike what vick did? The hunting part I can agree with but the trapping part? I would go out with my cousin to check his traps, he would check them once a day to once every two days…Sometimes when we would get to one of the traps the animal would still be alive…so the animal could of suffered for close to 24 hrs to 48 hrs. Dosent make up for vick being stupid, but the great hunters are not exactly mother thresa either. I worked at a place and one day the owner was bragging about shooting 12 deer and leaving them where they laid, and it was out of season..So hunters are ALL a moral bunch.

bensstinkyfingers says:Feb 17, 2011 9:22 PM

Ok, Vick was a dumbass, but Buerhle and half the hunters on here aren’t far behind, It’s Hilarious the hunter defense, we do it for the food to feed our families man, and them deer will take over man if we don’t kill em. I would support the hunters from the 1800’s who actually needed to feed their families by hunting. I would guess now 90% do it for fun, just to get dressed up in camo, cover themselves in deer piss, hang out in a tree, trying to bag a bigger rack than the other Jethros, just to make a few pounds of that there deer jerky or trail bologna. And really in my opinion the real hunters were the natives that used hand made bow and arrows, instead of the “hunters today that use that great skill of sitting 10 feet above their target and pulling the trigger. Wow. Killing defenseless animals for fun is no differrent than What Vick was doing end result dead animal!

So shooting an innocent bear with an arrow that causes a slow and agonzing death, just to stuff its head and make a necklace with his claws makes him an animal lover?

Makes him better than a dog fighter?

Sounds like a person with a very low I.Q. and the one that wears the panties in the house

bensstinkyfingers says:Feb 17, 2011 9:31 PM

kingbattle says:
Feb 17, 2011 8:33 PM
These comments are so funny.. You guys actually want a human being to get seriously hurt because he killed some dogs and faught them.. Wow… So I wonder what you want to happen to Rothilsberger for rapping women?? Man… If you ask ms you guys are just as bad as any criminal that wants someone to get hurt for something they already paid debts for.. I mean last time I checked he went thru the all mighty due process set forth on his U.S. given rights. I guess I should say I hope Buehrle throws his shoulder out the next game he pitches and ends his career for making comments about someone else like that.. Idiots
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Love the message man, but you might wanna spellcheck , before you call people idiots, kinda takes away any cred.

ham1 says:Feb 17, 2011 9:32 PM

Takes quite a bit of courage to feed a poodle to a pit bull. Great sport for cowards.
I hunt to feed my family period. I guess I could bet on dog fights to feed my family but I dont think my family would be proud of that.
Everybody has their own definition of what it means to be a man.

At the end of the day, I feel worse for the dogs.
Buehrle hit Travis Hafner here in Cleveland in the face with a fastball that could have killed him.
I was there.
I saw it.
I HEARD the smack of the ball hitting his face from the outfield as he dropped like he was shot…. But that was a mistake right Mark ?
For a guy who can put a ball within micro inches of the plate… I guess that one kind of got away from you.
I would NEVER say you did it on purpose even though it’s obvious you did you P.O.S.
You were gunning for him and he’s NEVER been the same.
So shut the hell up….. MARK… your not snow white either.

duanethomas says:Feb 17, 2011 9:35 PM

Countries that it is legal in some form or the other to eat dogs. Most of the countries in the Far East it not only legal but encouraged. To them cows, chickens, goats and dog their is no difference. So the dog is not man’s best friend.

I really hope all of you idiots that are criticizing hunting are vegetarians. I guarantee every deer I have shot suffered less than a commercially farmed chicken or cow. If you eat meat, have the balls to kill and butcher your meat sometime. You’ll gain a new appreciation for the animal that gave it’s life to feed you. The vast majority of hunters respect animals and try to minimize the suffering of the animals they harvest. Michael Vick took pleasure in torturing animals for entertainment. No comparison to someone hunting to provide food for their family.

If we don’t control the populations of animals they will over-populate and starve to death, or die of disease or just pile-up on the side of our freeways.

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Spoken like a true animal lover.

Maybe Vick was controlling the stray dog over population.

Dogs are property and maybe the law should be changed to outlaw the sale of dogs, since dog kissers respect them more than humans.

If you care so much about over population, maybe you people should protest the construction of buildings, property and highways in areas already populated by animals.

The Indians didnt seem to have these problems before they were forced to live on Reservations.

insertnamehere2 says:Feb 17, 2011 9:50 PM

Disturbing!!!! Are the above posts..I am assuming all you bleeding hearts that have a problem with hunters are Vegans??? Don’t snowball unethical hunters or Mike Vick types with responsible people who hunt!!!

The majority of game animals (and birds) that are legal to harvest are first-order producers; that is, they eat grass and plants and other things grown by exposure to the sun and turn that into biomass that satisfies 2nd- and 3rd-order consumers (predators). In other words, if a deer doesn’t get killed by a hunter, it is destined to die (naturally) in the jaws of a wolf or a pack of coyotes, either when it’s very young or very old. Seldom do wild animals have the luxury of dying of old age.

Nowadays, hunters must fill the roles of the missing 3-order consumers, so we don’t have excess overpopulated biomass stripping trees for bark in the winter and becoming hood ornaments for lefty’s Kia’s.

What Vick did was pit tamed animals against each other, then viciously kill the ones he didn’t like. There is absolutely no comparison to human hunters; rather, Vick acted like a very-low-level sadistic human who came up poor and undereducated. Prison taught him, changed him (hopefully), and those, like Buehrle, who can’t accept what society doled out as proper punishment should just get over it. Now they, with their wishes of injuries to Vick, are at fault and are exhibiting low moral character.

The only way I can agree with hunting is if the hunter is using a bow and arrow. I’m not talking about a crossbow because that is as unfair as using a gun. If you can successfully take down an animal with a bow and arrow, then you are truly hunting. Saying you hunt for sport when using a gun is absurd. They only way it would be fair to use a gun while hunting is if the animal would be able to use a gun too.

I love the off-season!!!!!! Let’s find old stories and beat them with a stick. Awesome that Buehrle didn’t take back his comments like most “idiot” athletes. I love how people are quick to call people idiots, hypocrites, etc. Hypocrite? Nothing Buehrle is doing is ILLEGAL! Idiot? I believe he threw a PERFECT GAME against a very hot Rays team at the time. Buehrle will FOREVER be at least one better than Vick. Buehrle won a championship. The “idiots” are those who think Vick will ever win one. I know, it sucks facing reality.

For you clowns who will not forgive Mike Vick move out of the USA right now!!!! The man served his time, he went thru the due process of law etc… Where do you get off putting a dogs life on the same level as human life????? No one is talking about the people who have actually killed someone…… If Mike Vick was white would we still be talking about this???? cup1981 you can kick rocks you know exactly WTF I meant…..Hunting a sport???? I thought sports were played with a BALL??? Hunting is another “sport” created by un-athletic people ……… because the suck at everything else…….golf is more of a sport than hunting…….

insertnamehere2 says:Feb 17, 2011 10:01 PM

dant10 says:
Feb 17, 2011 8:21 PM
@patmccabe69: F*#k you and Buehrle. And f*#k hunting too! It is, without a doubt, the dumbest “sport” out there. It’s not like every time you shoot something it dies instantly, sometimes hunters tag a deer and aren’t even good enough to kill it so it runs off and bleeds to death, what a way to die. Vick is the man, he did his time and came out a changed man and is doing a phenomenal job on the field. Anyone who supports this Buehrle prick has their head up thei
Keep it up brainsurgeon!

boknowsvt says:Feb 17, 2011 10:02 PM

kingbattle says: Feb 17, 2011 8:33 PM

These comments are so funny.. You guys actually want a human being to get seriously hurt because he killed some dogs and faught them.. Wow… So I wonder what you want to happen to Rothilsberger for rapping women?? Man… If you ask ms you guys are just as bad as any criminal that wants someone to get hurt for something they already paid debts for.. I mean last time I checked he went thru the all mighty due process set forth on his U.S. given rights. I guess I should say I hope Buehrle throws his shoulder out the next game he pitches and ends his career for making comments about someone else like that.. Idiots….

tjt113 says:
Feb 17, 2011 9:03 PM
One of the previous post said hunting and trapping is unlike what vick did? The hunting part I can agree with but the trapping part? I would go out with my cousin to check his traps, he would check them once a day to once every two days…Sometimes when we would get to one of the traps the animal would still be alive…so the animal could of suffered for close to 24 hrs to 48 hrs. Dosent make up for vick being stupid, but the great hunters are not exactly mother thresa either. I worked at a place and one day the owner was bragging about shooting 12 deer and leaving them where they laid, and it was out of season..So hunters are ALL a moral bunch.

It’s so nice not to hear ” it was taken out of context.” Your not alone Buehrle.

realitypolice says:Feb 17, 2011 10:16 PM

eagleman11 says:
Feb 17, 2011 7:18 PM
Here is a history lesson for you people….” dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (17th century through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century”
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Can’t help but wonder if Buehrle would feel the same way if Vick were white.

kingjoe1 says:Feb 17, 2011 10:26 PM

Really folks, we are taking Buerles comment so literally that we jump to slavery?

None of you are eloquent in makig your points either but reasonable people can drawn reasonable conclusions.

Hunting has been a part of every culture since the beginning of time. We also decide what is morally correct for the period of time we live. Today our code of morality says pitting dogs against one another for sport is a heartless and dispicable pasttime. Hunting deer and fishing for trout are morally acceptable.

What a bunch of fools.

joyjoy69 says:Feb 17, 2011 10:30 PM

OK, for those of you confused on the difference between dog fighting and hunting…

The core reason a person raises dogs to fight is either to make money gambling or to take pleasure in watching two animals suffer at each other’s attack. The core reasons that people hunt are to eat, to take part in a family and/or cultural ritual and to test one’s skills out in the wild.

OK, perhaps there are other reasons on both counts. I’ve never participated in dog fighting, and can’t see any reason beyond what I suggested. Maybe I’m ignorant. I love to hunt, and those are some of the biggest reasons. I don’t like what that baseball player had to say, but there is one big difference he sees that is true: in dog fighting THE PERSON doesn’t do anything… how is that a sport?! When a person hunts, they are using a skill and testing that skill.

When I hunt, I am not killing because I love killing or animal suffering. I am connecting in a sacred way with an animal that will become a part of me. I am participating in something many people have lost: an awareness of where the food I eat comes from. I’m not taking joy in that animal’s death, I’m taking joy in that animal’s enabling me to continue to live.

For those of you that have never hunted, I can imagine you will not understand. Perhaps not all hunters can understand this either. We are all part of a circle of life in which the death of one sustains the life of another. Being so removed from the food producing cycle today, modern people often don’t understand this basic truth. As we live, our bodies continue to be consumed by parasites and bacteria. When we die our bodies will be consumed and returned into that cycle completely. No matter what you eat, one thing is true about it: it was killed so that you could eat it.

People who raise dogs to kill each other aren’t part of this. The kill dogs in order to enjoy their control over others, to watch suffering at their own hands.

These are nowhere close to the same thing. Calling a person who accepts hunting and condemns dog fighting a hypocrite is ignorant and wrong.

This one rates pretty high Buehrle-O-Meter.. I’m gonna go with a 7.. I dont hate Vick or Buehrle.. Vick served his time and Buehrle spoke his mind.. I hope neither of them gets injured.. And I’m a Giants fan. I think 75% of people who comment on this really don’t care it’s just a cheap shot. Everytime Vick runs for a first down or breaks a tackle I want to yell “Dog killer” but really I don’t mean it. Football is so intense when you watch it, it almost becomes hateful. Bottom line is we all know people who make mistakes in our personal lives an we, for the most part, forgive them. It’s human nature. The hate in these comments are sickening.

smootysmoot says:Feb 17, 2011 10:48 PM

People on here wishing bad things for Vick or anyone…. I hope u r ready for Karma!!!

lostsok says:Feb 17, 2011 10:50 PM

People comparing dog fighting to hunter are WAY off base. Not only is one legal and the other not, but hunting in NOT about intentionally causing misery to an animal. In fact, hunters do their best to kill quickly and without causing any more suffering than necessary.

Unless you are a vegan, the hamburger you eat caused an animal far more agony than most hunters.

PLUS…dogs are…FREAKIN’ DOGS. They are part of our families. They’re our loved ones. Comparing that to a wild animal is purely idiotic.

Finally, it should be remember that Vick did NOT go to jail for torturing and killing dogs. He did so for hiding an illegal gambling cabal.

While I do agree he has served his time, it is NOT unfair for people still angry to judge him. If you cheat on your wife, you may swear to never do it again. You may be completely faithful for the remainder of your life. But if she still doesn’t forgive…IT’S YOUR OWN FAULT.

This is Mike Vick’s fault. And those who dislike him for it are absolutely and utterly free to hate him all they like.

teddybear9 says:Feb 17, 2011 10:59 PM

People on tv and in the printed media seem to love saying, “isn’t it wonderful that the fans have forgiven him and know it’s time to move on cuz he’s done his time.” Well, thank you, but DON’T SPEAK FOR US !! There are many many of us who will never forgive him and don’t believe he has a right to be in the NFL. Did he do his time and deserve the right to move back in society and support himself? Yes, but I’m thinking more like a dishwasher at Waffle House!! Read the court documents if you want to know all the evil cruel things that he did !! Forgive him? Not me. Dogs are innocent creatures and many are in service to save people lives. Many are simply family pets. They deserve better!!

hooterdawg says:Feb 17, 2011 11:01 PM

Hunters would do well not to reveal their hypocricy and stupidity on a football forum.

Lets take deer hunting for example. Let me put out my feeder and round all the deer up and take a shot at them. That is not a sport… You can target shoot at skeet.

sinjin65 says:Feb 18, 2011 12:09 AM

What do you expect from a baseball player? Sissy

patmccabe69 says:Feb 18, 2011 12:14 AM

dant10 says:

dant10 says:
Feb 17, 2011 8:21 PM
@patmccabe69: F*#k you and Buehrle. And f*#k hunting too! It is, without a doubt, the dumbest “sport” out there. It’s not like every time you shoot something it dies instantly, sometimes hunters tag a deer and aren’t even good enough to kill it so it runs off and bleeds to death, what a way to die. Vick is the man, he did his time and came out a changed man and is doing a phenomenal job on the field. Anyone who supports this Buehrle prick has their head up their a$$.

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Great logic dant10. You really think he came out a changed man? He’ll say whatever he needs to inorder to get a NFl payday. His football skills certainly do not justify what he’s done.

zaggs says:Feb 18, 2011 12:21 AM

I love the idiots that try to equate hunting to what Vick did. Do you morons realise the sickest things that Vick had nothing to do with actual dogs fighting? The man tortured dogs for his own sick pleasure. I’m sorry but that crap ain’t instilled in you by your “culture”. You do it because you’re a sick mofo.
Now lets compare that to Beurhle killing a bear with a friggin bow and arrow. Hell I’d love to put Vick in an enclosed with one of his dogs and give Vick a bow and arrow and see who comes out alive.
I guess we’re forgetting most hunter eat the meat of the kill. Not to mention an animal has a chance against a hunter, especially a bow and arrow hunter. Vicks dogs never had a chance.

A lot of stupid comments on here that are racist or dumb. Vick served his time and Buehrle is an idiot. Who is he to judge anyone. Tell Buehrle that next time he walks on water, he can open his mouth. Right now STFU and play your sport. I hope they both have good seasons and avoid each other. That could get ugly.

pftequalsgreatjournalism says:Feb 18, 2011 12:28 AM

smellmyface says: Feb 17, 2011 7:42 PM

So why is Buehrle a idiot for thinking Vick is trash?

And people trying to compare what Vick did to hunting are retarded. The only people that are ok with what Vick did are blacks and stupid Eagles fans

lostsok says: Feb 17, 2011 10:50 PM

People comparing dog fighting to hunter are WAY off base. Not only is one legal and the other not, but hunting in NOT about intentionally causing misery to an animal. In fact, hunters do their best to kill quickly and without causing any more suffering than necessary.

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You two intellectual midgets should go hunting sometime. Maybe then you would see how many hunters miss the kill shot and then fail to track the animal while it dies a long, slow and painful death. Something that I am hoping for all the hypocrites who ever posted about Mike.

And BTW, I am white and have hunted with rifle, shotgun and bow for over 30 years.

Go ahead and hit the “thumbs down” and then kiss your dog – right after it licks its a$$…

bensstinkyfingers says:Feb 18, 2011 12:42 AM

joyjoy69 says:
Feb 17, 2011 10:30 PM

When I hunt, I am not killing because I love killing or animal suffering. I am connecting in a sacred way with an animal that will become a part of me. I am participating in something many people have lost: an awareness of where the food I eat comes from. I’m not taking joy in that animal’s death, I’m taking joy in that animal’s enabling me to continue to live.
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Hey Grizzly Adams, your description of how eating deer meat seems a little creepy and too much like a religious / arousing experience. Also unless you actually live in the hills in a cabin, I imagine that one or 2 deer limit would not “enable” you to continue to live more than a couple of months. I could be wrong ,but I’d be willing to bet 99% of your and most hunters here food supply comes from the grocery store, so the whole “enable me to live” thing sounds good, but unrealistic. I am however impressed with your passion. Kinda reminds me of Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn.

Hoping an individual that has done everything right since his punishment to be severely injured is very low. What Michael Vick did was wrong, but smellmyface, you said anyone who compared dog fighting to hunting is “a idiot” and that all Eagles fans and blacks.. well I am a white male, a Michael Vick supporter and think you need to learn grammar before you speak in this forum again. I’m sure whatever team you are a fan of, if any, would be better off with Michael Vick than whoever is playing QB now.

While I fully understand there are a LOT of people (especially dog lovers) who felt Vick should NEVER have been allowed back in the NFL no matter what, the fact is, Vick suffered much bigger consequences for his actions than most people ever will have to deal with in their lives, most notably forfeiting $130 million in money from the Falcons plus millions more in endorsements. While he will make a lot of that back (now that he has an “exclusive franchise” tag with the Eagles), he never will make it all back, and he also had to suffer the humiliation for what he did as well as subject him and his family to considerable hardship as a result of his prior actions.

Mark Buehrle has his right to his opinion, but to openly wish for another athlete to be hurt is something that is out of line, and could very well be words that come back to haunt him, even if not immediately.

hedleykow says:Feb 18, 2011 2:11 AM

Give Buehrle a freaking break. You can tell by his comment about his daddy, his daddy’s daddy, and his daddy’s daddy’s daddy that inbreeding plays a bigger role in his stupidity than does run-of-the-mill ignorance.

You are still a moron, so all sports are only played with a ball huh? That is classic moron sportsfan mentality. Allow me to list the sports that are NOT played with a ball and are far more exhausting than most ball-oriented sports

Saying a “sport” is identified by involving a ball is retarded. FYI, I never said hunting was a sport. I simply said it has been around longer than dog fighting you idiots. Hunting is not a sport and I have said that forever. It is only a sport if you wait in a tree for a deer to cross under you, leap on it and wrestle it until death. THAT is a sport.

Vick has not served his debt to society, he still owes about 18 years. He got off easy and I will never support this douche. Like I said before not because of the dog killing, as horrible as it was, but for his other multiple crimes against society.

This guy has not changed one bit. He still goes to parties with the people he is not supposed to be with. That person gets shot (Hmmmm interesting) and soon he will break the law again. Remember from his own mouth “This is how I was raised.”

“People comparing dog fighting to hunter are WAY off base. Not only is one legal and the other not, but hunting in NOT about intentionally causing misery to an animal. In fact, hunters do their best to kill quickly and without causing any more suffering than necessary.

Unless you are a vegan, the hamburger you eat caused an animal far more agony than most hunters.

PLUS…dogs are…FREAKIN’ DOGS. They are part of our families. They’re our loved ones. Comparing that to a wild animal is purely idiotic.”
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I don’t think it’s way off base. I eat meat, and I do so because the pleasure I derive from eating it outweighs the negative feelings I get when thinking about the animals that have died to make my hamburger. However, I’m not going around calling for Mike Vick to break his leg or tear an ACL… that would be Mark Buehrle.

It is undeniably hypocritical for someone who engages in the shooting of animals for sport (read: for fun) to vilify a man whose actions were far worse, but fall under the same category of the slaughter of animals for fun. Hell, we are all hypocrites, because we all really love eating hamburgers, don’t we?

The legality argument is pretty weak, in my opinion. The law changes all the time, and at any given moment in history, there have been many, many laws that were entirely immoral that have been on the books. Slavery was legal throughout the vast majority of human legal history, interracial marriage was outlawed at one time, and as many posters have pointed out- dog-fighting was at one point legal. Just because something is legal does not make it right, and just because something is illegal does not make it wrong.

Finally, I know we like to think of dogs as somehow superior to the rest of the animal kingdom, but really they are no different than any other moderately-sized mammal. Pigs are more intelligent, and are similarly-sized, yet we kill and eat them without thought. Again, just because a norm exists in our society (hunting is okay, dogs are an important part of human existence, alcohol use is acceptable, drug use is not, etc.) doesn’t mean that is an absolute good. We only need to look to other nations/cultures/generations to see that these norms change all the time.

eagleman11 says:
Feb 17, 2011 7:18 PM
Here is a history lesson for you people….” dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (17th century through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century”
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So was slavery. What’s your point?

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Uhh… His point was that Buehrle’s claim that hunting isn’t wrong because it is legal is ridiculous, as the same argument could have been made in favor of dog fighting a couple hundred years ago, and could have been made in favor of slavery just 150 years ago.

I would consider hunting a sport if the animals had weapons too.
What Vick did was wrong, and he was punished, but to wish injury on the man is ignorant.

steelerfan9598 says:Feb 18, 2011 6:49 AM

@RealityPolice: BOOM! Nice.
@EagleMan11: We should all leave the country for thinking that someone who tortures animals is an ok dude because he ‘did his time’? Serving time in prison makes what you did ok? Does that apply to other crimes too?
I get that people fight dogs. Fine. People who are right in the head don’t stick a dog’s head in a 5 gallon bucket and drown them or hook them up to jumper cables or bash their skull off the pavement. That’s deranged behavior. No, we’re not talking ‘people’ but, geez, you really think that’s normal?

steelerfan9598 says:Feb 18, 2011 6:51 AM

for NOT thinking – oops

macjacmccoy says:Feb 18, 2011 7:11 AM

Im a hunter but Buehrles reasoning is asinine. So what hes ok with killing animals because its legal and a “sport” but hes appalled by dog fighting bc its a illegal and not a sport? Im sorry dog fighting is as much a sport as hunting. And what I mean by that is they both arent sports. A sport is between two or more people volunatirly competing to be a winner of a certain contest. That isnt what hunting is. Hunting is 1 guy stalking something to try to kill it. The thing hes hunting doesnt even know its playing and Im sure if you ask a deer if its having fun or if it wants to go play a game of hunting it would say hell no.

Like I said I hunt I have been doing it since Ive been 10 but Im not confused about what Im doing. Im not out there playing a sport Im there to shoot and kill an animal so I can take it home and eat it. Im tired of hearing guys like Mark Buehrle acting all high and mighty judging other people. He is causing just as much pain and suffering to animals as Vick did and has been doing it for alot longer. It was messed up for Vick to force dogs to fight and to kill them if they didnt for his own amusement but its in there nature to fight. Its not in a deers nature to be shot. They dont do that in the wild. We are the ones that do that to them. So I just think its so hypocritical to judge Vick and wish harm on him when your out there doing the same exact thing. But because its a deer you killing and its legal and not a dog its ok.

Alot of horrible stuff has been legal. To name a few slavery, burning witches, crossifixations, branding theifs or adulteries. Some are still happening today like stonings and honor killings and rapes. So dont give me its legal its ok and if its illegal its horrible. Because in those same countries that still do honor killings and stonings legally for something as little as losing your virginatity you can get a life sentence for possessing marijuana. Laws dont always justify whats right or whats wrong.

sufferingbirdsfan says:Feb 18, 2011 7:21 AM

OK, so as long as the animal doesn’t bark we can kill it for fun. Got it. Just trying to get my redneck logic straight.

Now uv done it Mark. I hope and wish you have a 24.00 ERA next year I bet that will hurt in many ways especially….$$$$

falconsfan says:Feb 18, 2011 8:48 AM

To eagleman11 (and anyone else with his mindset) including Mark Buehrle,

If something has a history to it, it doesn’t automatically make it right. As human beings in the United States of America we have evolved into a culture that defines what is and isn’t humane in the 20th and 21st century in our country. Is hunting humane? No, however, there is some merit to those who do it as sport and consume the animal they killed. Dogfighting isn’t humane and does not carry any merit.

Also, while Vick served his time he is still a sociopath. By defintion the man is a sociopath that did some pretty horrible things not only to dogs but also human beings. Vick did significant fiancial damage to dozens of human beings, some of whom now have to cheer for a man that did them wrong in hopes that they will be repaid.

While I don’t hunt and I don’t care for what Mark said, Vick is still a sociopath on an epic level and should not be lauded. Sure, he can run and throw a ball, but what he has done in and with his life should be a lesson to be learned from not one to celebrate.

falconsfan says:Feb 18, 2011 8:53 AM

MIKE VICK/RON MEXICO =

Profile of the Sociopath

* Glibness and Superficial Charm

* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

* Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

* Incapacity for Love

* Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

* Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

* Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

* Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

* Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

* Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

* Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

schilhater says:Feb 18, 2011 8:57 AM

Wow! macjacmcoy, how many times have you feel out of your tree stand? because you make no sense at all. Have you ever had a deer run out on to the road and you hit it with your car, causing thousands of dollars in damages? Do Deers look to humans to take them of them? house them? feed them? take them to a Vet? Do Deers show affection, love & loyalty like a dog? the answer is NO! So to even compare Hunting to what Vick did is a disgrace and shows how stupid you guys are for doing so. Hunting is legal for a reason, so we don’t get over populated by these animals who can harm us and our property. And Hunters just shoot to kill hopefully on one shot, they don’t tourture, rape, drown & abuse the animals they are hunting. Hunters also don’t make a profit of off killing animals. Vick ran a criminal empire, that’s why he received the sentence that he did. You idiot’s who think he went to prison for killings dogs are mistaken. It was because he illegally transported dogs across state lines for his criminal on goings. There were also drugs being sold out of that combine that’s why the cops were there in the first place. Vick was just a bad dude, who blew millions & millions of dollars and is still 20 million dollars in debt. So I hope they lock out these players so he doesn’t get paid.

I couldn’t agree more with Mark Buehrle & I hope Vick does get carted off the field one day and suffer the same way those dogs did.

You people talk about second chances, did those dogs he killed get a second chance?

His second chance is doing what he’s doing now. Going to urban areas and telling them this gang mentality is wrong. Many of these sport figures and movie stars get a pass for dwi, murders, spousal abuse and other nefarious acts. He is not a saint but at least he is trying to do something positive now. Lets hope if he can influence one youth onto the right path he has done something right in his life for once.

I admit it, I’m a little surprised that so many people can lump dog fighting into the same category as hunting. I can agree that neither one of them is a “sport”. However, to say that hunting is as morally wrong as dog fighting? I bet you folks think your grocery store meat is hand picked from the local garden. Hunting is a lot less morally wrong than purchasing that pair of steaks from the local Wal-mart. Don’t believe? Go watch some documentaries to the contrary.

Most hunters hunt for the meat that it provides them. Between squirrels, goose, ducks, elks, pheasants, grouse, turkeys, and deer a good hunter can provide for himself and his family for most of the year. Add in fishing and as long as they can make it out to hunt/fish regularly, a family can be fed for the vast majority. Granted, there still and always will be a need for the grocer to provide things that otherwise might not be available. And unlike some of you, this is how I was raised and how I currently provide the majority of food for my own family. I do not find it morally wrong. If anything I feel it provides a sense of purpose that can’t be found elsewhere on this planet. To be able to provide for myself through another animals death is not a bad thing, as long as its done with the right intentions. Instead of driving 10 min to the store and spending $10 every time I want two steaks, I spend $40 a year on a license and go hunt some deer and have plenty of steak whenever I want it.

And to that end, if Vick was going to kill those dogs with the purpose of turning them into some General Tsao’s chicken then maybe things would have been different. However, acting like a justified selfish child that wants to torture a living animal for no reason aside from the pleasure of seeing it die is not morally correct.

I for one can see the difference between an animal and a human being, however, in the culture we live in today a dog is the animal that is currently right below a human. Some people categorize them into the same slot as humans. And so I can understand the hatred some people have for Michael Vick. But if these same people can’t pull their head out of PETA’s shorts for two minutes and realize the difference between hunting and dog fighting then I hope that for your own sake you are a vegetarian. If not, then the same karma that you wish on Michael Vick will most likely be waiting for you on your way to work tomorrow morning in the form of a deer or that a cow.

Food for thought.

schilhater says:Feb 18, 2011 9:45 AM

@ wpsence,

Don’t be fooled he is trying to get out of debt. And the only way to do that is to be a starting qb in the NFL and the only way for him to be in the NFL is to do public speaking, stay out of trouble and play well on Sundays. Don’t think for a minute he would be doing these things if he didn’t have to. You people need to stop thinking this guy is something that he is not. He is criminal & a murderer

I’ll be the FIRST to say that what he did was wrong, but he didn’t get by and get a slap on the wrist HE DID GO TO JAIL. We put more scrutiny on this guy than we do some other people out there who actually HURT HUMANS…Ben Rothlisberger and his rapefest, Ray Lewis and his involvement in a murder, Donte Stallworth who ran a man over, Plaxico Burress who walks around with a gun in his pants, Mark Sanchez and his sleeping with an underage girl, seriously, give this guy a break..and Hey Buehrle “let he who casts the first stone”. This is SO ANNOYING give Vick a break…if society of you would only care more about THE HUMAN RACE than you did DOGS..maybe this world would be a better place. Where is the sad Sarah Mclachlan commerical with the homeless, abused children aborted babies…please people. I love dogs…but this is ridiculous.

I nor anyone else hear knows him personally so I can’t speak on if he is rehabilitated. I know if he can change the mind of ONE youth he has done something positive. If he can prevent ONE youth from harming a dog everyone including the extremists should be satisfied. If not you are doing what he was doing not caring for dogs.

Did he also watch Steelers games and hope that Big Ben would get hurt? I put his abuse of women beyond Vick’s crimes.

steelerfan9598 says:Feb 18, 2011 4:21 PM

“eagleaniac says: Feb 18, 2011 3:25 PM

Did he also watch Steelers games and hope that Big Ben would get hurt? I put his abuse of women beyond Vick’s crimes.”

In which case you misunderstand the difference between ‘accused’ and convicted felon.

itsgeb says:Feb 18, 2011 4:32 PM

To all the people that are hating on Mike Vick right now, I bet that you all watched him light up the redskins on natioanl tv and for most of the season on highlights. He is one of the most explosive players in the league and has been the best player to watch highlight films of throughout his career.
Dont hate on a man because he served his time in prison. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Leonard Little or Donte Stallwsorth who served very little time for killing someone.

o0omorriso0o says:Feb 19, 2011 12:11 AM

Hunting is the same as dog fighting. They are both morally wrong. But our society is so pathetic and very inconsistent to know what should be right and wrong. You people think killing animals is ok to “CONTROL” the population of animals. Exactly. Your controlling. What gives you the damn right? Its like you dog lovers with collars and leases around the dogs you say you care about. Telling them where to eat, poop, and pee. A dog cant even roam its own planet (downtown) without being captured and caged. And what about hunters who kill deer, cut off their heads and stuff it and hang it on their wall. Thats even more demented then what Vick did. And for this pitcher to wish harm on him just proves him to be even worse. Two wrongs dont make a right people!!!

I love hunters justifying their moral high ground by saying they eat their prey. Unless you’re a vegan or vegetarian and ardent member of PETA, stfu. And for the idiot trying to make it a black or white thing, stfu.

How do you morons think those animals that you purchase in the grocery store get there? Are you aware that they’re electrocuted and tortured, or do you think they’re given civil, lethal injections? No wonder this country is going downhill fast, so many morons around me.

I don’t think hunting, killing and injuring animals for fun, would be a fun thing to do. Or wandering around in the woods. But I respect people’s right to do it. At least once they shoot the animal it’s over with. But what Vick did is downright sick. Not the same thing.

hedphurst says:Feb 19, 2011 3:25 PM

Hunting for food and clothing is nothing like dogfighting. Hunting simply for sport is only slightly less disgusting than dogfighting, and then only because the animals are killed quickly in a more humane manner than fighting dogs.

Buehrle’s logic is flawed – simply because a sport is legal and you can purchase supplies at retail stores doesn’t make it inherently moral, or even more moral than an illegal sport. I still agree with him, though. I’d like to see Vick injured, too. I’m a dog owner, and I think that any pain and suffering Vick endures is deserved for the things he’s done. I’m sure Jeff Goldblum’s character from The Fly would feel the same way about any adversity I suffer, based on my many insect murders.

Buehrle has the best control in baseball,but yet missed his target by 4 feet! Yes he hit Hafner in the head on purpose. So I wish Buehrle gets his left hand caught in a garbage disposal. And I stand behind my statement too!

icewalker946 says:Feb 20, 2011 3:23 PM

anthonyfromstatenisland says:
Feb 18, 2011 2:36 AM
Judging by his last name, Buehrle’s grandfather was probably a draft-dodger during World War II because he didn’t want to fight Uncle Adolf.

Redneck teabagging schmuck.

I hope his ERA this year is INFINITY!
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Stupidest comment ever.

There were plenty of soldiers with German roots that served and fought and died for their country. My family had Seegers, pure German, that fought the Nazis in Europe.

Wow – guess you have to talk real slow and inform people that is a HUGE difference between a domesticated animal (cats and dogs for example) – and a damn 4 legged rat (deer) running through the woods! Bunch of embiciles!

Hunters are huge conservationist as well as fishermen, with time and money they give back to nature more than they take. Pitting dogs against each other for the pure enjoyment of watching them die and to gamble money is ridiculous. It is even more psychotic when you hang your family pet by a tree in your back yard and electrocute him with a car battery and then drown him in the same pool your kids swim in. No Comparison.