That works good, but I prefer the ol car antifreeze. It takes a little
longer, but gets the job done well.
Wayfarin is good for the tuna bowl.
Small pieces of sponges soaked in bacon grease are also very effective.
Good luck.

I feel I've been misunderstood and want to make sure my position is
clear.
I had cats marking in my garage, patio, and bushes. They made things
smell and die and drove my inside dog crazy.
I researched and tried everything from shooing them to throwing a
tennis ball at them to Tabasco or cayenne pepper on the ground to water
spraying to traps to neighborhood notes to talking with owners. My
talk with owners resulted in exactly what my research showed: they
suddenly didn't like me and they did nothing about the problem. I was
nice, explaining about my dying bushes and smelly patio. I simply
asked if they thought we could do something about it. They said you
can't rein in a cat. That's true. If you let a cat outside, it will
wander around.
My local laws make it illegal for a dog or cat to be off its owner's
property without a leash or the owner's full command.
Only two things worked to keep cats out of my yard. The first worked
only partially. It was a trap from the humane society. It worked on
only one cat. The cat had no tags (another illegality). The humane
society said they would keep the cat for seven days for an owner to
claim it. Then it would be up for adoption for seven days. Then it
would be put down. The owner did not claim it. My research showed
this is typical.
The only other thing that worked to keep cats out of my yard worked
100% of the time. I shot them with a BB gun. It's legal to shoot BB
guns in my city. I shot the cats far enough away so as to not caused
injury other than a bruise, and away from the eyes and ears to prevent
blindness or deafness. I don't know whether it's legal to hit cats in
my city. I bet it is okay. After all, pinging or bruising a cat with
a BB is no more injurious than spanking. And people spank their cats
(although the usually punishment is a finger flick to the nose) all the
time with no outrage.

There's a big difference between killing an animal eating farm stock and
killing a pet because it's a nuisance.(urban settings,too,not farms)
We have people here advocating putting out rat poison,and other cruel
methods with the intent to kill or seriously injure a neighborhood pet.

That's not true. My 16 yr old son told me so, after I warned him about
wearing a helmet and goggles for the sport. Teenagers are always right. Or,
almost. When he got to the paintball place, they handed him a helmet with
goggles. He refused to look me in the eye at that moment. :-)

Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand you
have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the next
couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the garage.
<uriah> wrote in message wrote:

Google Fi-Shock
They have several models. A basic one that plugs into an AC plug and steps
down the electricity is about $30, and all you need. You then run two wires
off the unit (about 4"x6"x3") to what you want to electrify. Sometimes one
of the leads goes to ground. Sometimes, you might want to use two parallel
strips of metal screening on a wood porch to get them when they are walking
in. I like putting one on a piece of metal screen, and the other on a metal
bowl of water or food. Put a sheet of plastic under the bowl. This
insulates the bowl from the metal screen.
When the prowling animal (cat, dog, raccoon, possum, whatever) makes contact
with the bowl, they will get a shock that will make him/her/it stay away
from your porch for the rest of its natural life. It will not kill the
animal, as it has a low voltage.
A really simple quick inexpensive way to get rid of pesky animals. The only
other thing better is the motion sensor water sprayer, but they are about
$70, and can't be used where water is an issue.
These shockers work, and are a million laughs.
Steve

Let's add another definition: responsible pet owner.
A "responsible pet owner" provides for the needs of their animal. They give
it food and water. They give it companionship, love, and kindness. They
take it to the doctor when it is sick. They provide a warm/cool safe place
for it to live.
They do not let it wander out unsupervised. They don't allow it to wander
into traffic. They don't allow it to wander into any place where it might
be hurt by any means.
They are like five year olds. Yes, you can let them run around on their
own, but it takes them about ten minutes to get into something and get hurt.
"Responsible pet owners" take care of their "pets."
Unresponsible pet owners do not, and just like unresponsible parents, then
want to go after (and usually sue) anyone or anything that their kid gets
messed up by, but don't want to mention the fact they weren't doing their
job and fulfilling their responsibilities in the first place.
I notice that we don't have people writing in and complaining that their
dog/cat who stays at home or on leash or under control got into trouble.
It's the ones that are kicked out the door and let back in eight hours later
that have a problem.
Steve

"Pet" does have meaning;a feral cat or dog is no one's pet.
These kill-crazy people know that the animal in their sights is somebody's
pet.They aren't "losing crops",either.
Unsupervised has nothing to do with it.
Many areas,cats are not required to be under "supervision" or on a leash.

I had the same problem here. Went to pet stores. They wanted a fortune,
and didn't have anything but kits that had zillions of wires and connectors
and insulators, etc. Went to tack and feed stores, and same thing. Only
high priced models with high prices that would energize five miles of fence.
Enter: Google.
I had what I wanted within five days. Delivered to my door.
Steve

Let's add a definition, then. If someone will cry or otherwise have a bad
day when a particular animal is killed, maybe you can call it a "pet". But,
that is of no significance to anyone but the person who will be upset.
Again, it's just a word. And, if they let it roam the neighborhood, they
probably wanted it dead anyway.

This sounds about right. I guess the next logical step is what each of us
does when we know we're dealing with an irresponsible pet owner. Personally,
I relegate them and their pets to the same category as empty Chinese food
take-out containers.

I need to fence a 30x30 garden plot. Still looking for the best way. It's
amazing - 20 minutes south of Rochester NY, there's a dairy farm every half
mile, with an electric fence around at least part of the land. But, so far,
I haven't found a farm supply store where anyone knows anything about
electric fences, and might actually want to take some of my money in return
for the materials I need. Gotta pull over at a farm later this week and find
out if they ordered theirs from another planet, or what.

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