incendi:Orgasmatron138: Makes me wonder if there's more to the story...

Yeah. But I'm not gonna speculate over a dead body. I'll leave that to Fox News.

.Well, if you would follow a real news outlet like Fox then you would have some of the details missing from this article, such as he was also married. But hey, enjoy the bliss that comes with ignorance.

freewill:Leisure Suit Larry: Was it just a foreign national or was it a foreign diplomat? If you work for the secret service you can only have sex with americans? I understand patriotism but that's a little harsh don't you think?

That isn't what the words say.

He was in trouble for having an unreported relationship with a foreign national. He could do what he wanted, but he needed to give proper notice of the situation so that they knew what was up and could make sure everything checks out.

That said, I'm guessing it was at least somewhat more scandalous than that, given that he decided to eat a bullet over it.

Well maybe not.

Reporting that you farked a foreign hottie means they know, and it WILL come up in your performance reviews because there are all sorts of things the higher-ups can decide to be paranoid about, from your fetish for fine Mochochino 'tang to your secret cock habit to your D&D game. So you think it's a one-time thing and you let it slide, but you meet her again in a bar and it ends up NOT being a one time thing...and then you start getting investigated and you might be about to lose your security clearance and you've been working 12-hour days for the last 4 years because the first black president gets 4 times as many death threats and your career is at BEST never moving forward, probably going downhill...

Hmmm.... so either the guy was facing the probable end of his career, public humiliation, etc. and decided that suicide was the best way out, -OR- it's a vast government conspiracy. The guy probably saw that Obama was meeting with the Lizard People and, because the man was a true patriot that loved and served his nation faithfully, the president feared that he would tell the media, so he had the guy murdered by his personal cadre of elite assassins.

Reporting that you farked a foreign hottie means they know, and it WILL come up in your performance reviews because there are all sorts of things the higher-ups can decide to be paranoid about, from your fetish for fine Mochochino 'tang to your secret cock habit to your D&D game. So you think it's a one-time thing and you let it slide, but you meet her again in a bar and it ends up NOT being a one time thing...and then you start getting investigated and you might be about to lose your security clearance and you've been working 12-hour days for the last 4 years because the first black president gets 4 times as many death threats and your career is at BEST never moving forward, probably going downhill...

Secret service seems like a shiatty job.

I agree to some extent, in that if you have something to hide, this probably isn't the career path for you.

That said, if the guy is married with children, it sounds like that pretty much explains it right there.

Some people are saying that he cried out for help as he did it, and Obama watched from the control room on his Dick Tracy wrist television and laughed and laughed, even though he had Willie Horton stationed on a swift boat just 2 blocks away.

Dear Jerk:Some people are saying that he cried out for help as he did it, and Obama watched from the control room on his Dick Tracy wrist television and laughed and laughed, even though he had Willie Horton stationed on a swift boat just 2 blocks away.

dothemath:The article does not mention that he was also married.The thought of dealing with a family implosion and the shame that goes along with it is enough for some guys to pull the plug.

I always assumed that the personal security folks in the Secret Service were single - being in a job where you are required to put your own body between your boss and a speeding bullet doesn't seem like an ideal situation for a married man, especially if there are children. Apparently I was mistaken.

Orgasmatron138:incendi: It's a shame he suicided, though... I'm sure even if your clearance is yanked and you get fired, you can get a good job with a private security firm after 20+ years with the SS.

It sounds like he sucked lead because his actions were destroying his family, not that it was a security issue, but that is the reason why SS have to report the foreign tail they're getting. So no Anna Chapman can pussy whip them into spying on or killing the Prez.

cgraves67:It sounds like he sucked lead because his actions were destroying his family, not that it was a security issue, but that is the reason why SS have to report the foreign tail they're getting. So no Anna Chapman can pussy whip them into spying on or killing the Prez.

FTAIn October a Secret Service officer was arrested for being unconscious on a Miama street corner a day after a visit by Obama. The officer was part of the Secret Service's support group, not a personal guard.

incendi:Bit'O'Gristle: So if I'm reading tfa right, if you are a member of the secret service, you have to REPORT who you're boinking to your boss? Wtf is up with that?

If it's a foreign national, yes. It's a somewhat big deal as far as your security clearance is concerned.

Do I understand things correctly in that if you're in such a position you are more or less on the honor system when it comes to reporting romantic entanglements that might affect your job (like say, if one is a Secret Service agent hooking it up with a foreign national- hooker or not), with the understanding that if you fail to report such entanglements and someone finds out your ass is grass? It's not an obligation to report everyone you're hooking up with, but at the same time if you're in such a position there are very few "safe" people one can be involved with sexually or romantically.

justanotherfarkinfarker:Or maybe the guy just had depression, and drowned it in foreign pussy. shiat happens. I doubt the spy line is legit.

Would have been caught long ago. Intelligence and Security positions aren't like your everyday job. You don't get to just go about your business, do your job, then clock out all private like. You are always monitored. Spooks interview your family, neighbors, coworkers, everybody. Your boss can, at any time, know exactly where your head is at and if you're behaving outside the norm.

Essentially, you have the least amount of privacy experienced by anybody on the entire globe. You aren't just some goon, you're security for the friggin' POTUS.

Crotchrocket Slim:incendi: Bit'O'Gristle: So if I'm reading tfa right, if you are a member of the secret service, you have to REPORT who you're boinking to your boss? Wtf is up with that?

If it's a foreign national, yes. It's a somewhat big deal as far as your security clearance is concerned.

Do I understand things correctly in that if you're in such a position you are more or less on the honor system when it comes to reporting romantic entanglements that might affect your job (like say, if one is a Secret Service agent hooking it up with a foreign national- hooker or not), with the understanding that if you fail to report such entanglements and someone finds out your ass is grass? It's not an obligation to report everyone you're hooking up with, but at the same time if you're in such a position there are very few "safe" people one can be involved with sexually or romantically.

It's both. You are on the honor system, but they are also going to find out. Think of it as a never-ending loyalty test. You are required to tell them, and they are going to investigate you anyway.

Your clearance and job are even at risk if you've got a troublesome kid. I nearly cost a family member their clearance just because I was a hooligan. Supposedly they spent some time investigating *me* and decided that I wasn't truly a risk. I only found out about this third-hand.

Crotchrocket Slim:incendi: Bit'O'Gristle: So if I'm reading tfa right, if you are a member of the secret service, you have to REPORT who you're boinking to your boss? Wtf is up with that?

If it's a foreign national, yes. It's a somewhat big deal as far as your security clearance is concerned.

Do I understand things correctly in that if you're in such a position you are more or less on the honor system when it comes to reporting romantic entanglements that might affect your job (like say, if one is a Secret Service agent hooking it up with a foreign national- hooker or not), with the understanding that if you fail to report such entanglements and someone finds out your ass is grass? It's not an obligation to report everyone you're hooking up with, but at the same time if you're in such a position there are very few "safe" people one can be involved with sexually or romantically.

I know I would have to report contact with any foreign national, regardless of its nature. Its not about who your screwing, its ANY contact with foreigners.

And yes, you are under the honor system. But if you don't report it and they find out you are in deep trouble for showing poor judgement in hiding it.

Heck, you have to report all tickets above a certain amount, gifts received over a certain amount, any medications. There's a laundry list of things to report. That's JUST for the clearance. Depending on your organization you might have more monitoring programs to report too that are more strict, even down to reporting marital problems, excessive stress, any pain killer stronger than advil/excedrin, etc.

These things are no joke. He probably ate the bullet because...1) His marriage/home life was about to get dynamited by the revelation (or already was if the wife knew)2) If the investigation wasn't going his way and he was sure he would lose his clearance his career in that entire line of work is gone.

You take away a 20-year career and a man's family and things get desperate.

Kuroshin:Would have been caught long ago. Intelligence and Security positions aren't like your everyday job. You don't get to just go about your business, do your job, then clock out all private like. You are always monitored. Spooks interview your family, neighbors, coworkers, everybody. Your boss can, at any time, know exactly where your head is at and if you're behaving outside the norm.

Essentially, you have the least amount of privacy experienced by anybody on the entire globe. You aren't just some goon, you're security for the friggin' POTUS.

While I agree that the scrutiny is intense, it's incorrect to think that depression is always detectable. It can be a devastating problem but for all of that it is one that is easy to hide. It's not like alcoholism or a drug addiction, or having an affair which can all leave tangible evidence. It's intensely personal and utterly internalised. It simply is not detectable if the sufferer doesn't want it to be.

ChipNASA:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: incendi: It's a shame he suicided, though... I'm sure even if your clearance is yanked and you get fired, you can get a good job with a private security firm after 20+ years with the SS.

That was my thought.

Perhaps there are more layers to this story.

He was Married with Children....

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Then it's just sad. I feel bad for his family that he chose this method of escaping the problem.

The My Little Pony Killer:He'd rather kill himself than come to terms with and take responsibility for his own personal decision to pick up a prostitute. Good riddance, worthless guy.

He was not one of those. He had a long term affair with a mexican woman (6 years, apparently), but after the hooker incident, the SS cranked up it's internal policing and began an investigation on him.

So, he'd rather kill himself than come to terms with and taking responsibility for having fallen in love with someone other than his wife and not telling his boss/site security officer about his illicit affair.

Here's what I've been thinking about. Lets say that during the second debate Obama takes a swipe and cold clocks Mitt Romney in the face. What happens next? Does Romney's Secret Service detail tackle the president only to have Obama's Secret Service detail jump on top of those guys? These are the things I think about while watching the debates...

TheBigJerk:freewill: Leisure Suit Larry: Was it just a foreign national or was it a foreign diplomat? If you work for the secret service you can only have sex with americans? I understand patriotism but that's a little harsh don't you think?

That isn't what the words say.

He was in trouble for having an unreported relationship with a foreign national. He could do what he wanted, but he needed to give proper notice of the situation so that they knew what was up and could make sure everything checks out.

That said, I'm guessing it was at least somewhat more scandalous than that, given that he decided to eat a bullet over it.

Well maybe not.

Reporting that you farked a foreign hottie means they know, and it WILL come up in your performance reviews because there are all sorts of things the higher-ups can decide to be paranoid about, from your fetish for fine Mochochino 'tang to your secret cock habit to your D&D game. So you think it's a one-time thing and you let it slide, but you meet her again in a bar and it ends up NOT being a one time thing...and then you start getting investigated and you might be about to lose your security clearance and you've been working 12-hour days for the last 4 years because the first black president gets 4 times as many death threats and your career is at BEST never moving forward, probably going downhill...

Secret service seems like a shiatty job.

It pays really well, but yes, I'm fairly certain my dad has shaved a few years off his life from all the stress. Notably, this article is going to ensure he has a pretty shiatty day today as well.

blahpers:Hippo's post is the poster child for everything that's wrong with modern conservatives.

Did you guys miss the thread after thread after thread hoping for the Hurricane to hit the Republican Convention?Or is wishing the death and destruction of an entire city cool but a morbid laugh about a guy we'll never know wrong?

I can't wait for this election to be over, everyone wash the sand our our shors and getting back to the sick bastards we really are.

m1ke:Here's what I've been thinking about. Lets say that during the second debate Obama takes a swipe and cold clocks Mitt Romney in the face. What happens next? Does Romney's Secret Service detail tackle the president only to have Obama's Secret Service detail jump on top of those guys? These are the things I think about while watching the debates...

They all hop on top of you while I bang your imaginary girl friend. Then, the debate continues as you imagine my comeuppance. It's the American way, after all. Vote Spork.

nekulor:TheBigJerk: freewill: Leisure Suit Larry: Was it just a foreign national or was it a foreign diplomat? If you work for the secret service you can only have sex with americans? I understand patriotism but that's a little harsh don't you think?

That isn't what the words say.

He was in trouble for having an unreported relationship with a foreign national. He could do what he wanted, but he needed to give proper notice of the situation so that they knew what was up and could make sure everything checks out.

That said, I'm guessing it was at least somewhat more scandalous than that, given that he decided to eat a bullet over it.

Well maybe not.

Reporting that you farked a foreign hottie means they know, and it WILL come up in your performance reviews because there are all sorts of things the higher-ups can decide to be paranoid about, from your fetish for fine Mochochino 'tang to your secret cock habit to your D&D game. So you think it's a one-time thing and you let it slide, but you meet her again in a bar and it ends up NOT being a one time thing...and then you start getting investigated and you might be about to lose your security clearance and you've been working 12-hour days for the last 4 years because the first black president gets 4 times as many death threats and your career is at BEST never moving forward, probably going downhill...

Secret service seems like a shiatty job.

It pays really well, but yes, I'm fairly certain my dad has shaved a few years off his life from all the stress. Notably, this article is going to ensure he has a pretty shiatty day today as well.

No, to qualify, he would have had to carefully lay himself out on the ground in a park after getting hit by the bus.

FYI: I always believed Foster committed suicide, he just didn't do it in the park, he did it in the White House. What followed was a conspiracy between Secret Service agents, who figured if they didn't cover it it up they'd get fired for letting someone in the deepest reaches of the Executive Mansion with a gun and White House staff who didn't want the embarrassment of Foster's suicide compounded by the location. It explains the forensic evidence, the evidence found at the scene of Foster's body, the fact that the White House staff wouldn't allow anyone in his office for a few days after the suicide (brains are messy...so is evidence of Hillary's involvement in Whitewater), and so on.

SnyderCat:nekulor: TheBigJerk: freewill: Leisure Suit Larry: Was it just a foreign national or was it a foreign diplomat? If you work for the secret service you can only have sex with americans? I understand patriotism but that's a little harsh don't you think?

That isn't what the words say.

He was in trouble for having an unreported relationship with a foreign national. He could do what he wanted, but he needed to give proper notice of the situation so that they knew what was up and could make sure everything checks out.

That said, I'm guessing it was at least somewhat more scandalous than that, given that he decided to eat a bullet over it.

Well maybe not.

Reporting that you farked a foreign hottie means they know, and it WILL come up in your performance reviews because there are all sorts of things the higher-ups can decide to be paranoid about, from your fetish for fine Mochochino 'tang to your secret cock habit to your D&D game. So you think it's a one-time thing and you let it slide, but you meet her again in a bar and it ends up NOT being a one time thing...and then you start getting investigated and you might be about to lose your security clearance and you've been working 12-hour days for the last 4 years because the first black president gets 4 times as many death threats and your career is at BEST never moving forward, probably going downhill...

Secret service seems like a shiatty job.

It pays really well, but yes, I'm fairly certain my dad has shaved a few years off his life from all the stress. Notably, this article is going to ensure he has a pretty shiatty day today as well.

When do daddies learn?

I keep telling him to retire and jump ship to a high paying private security company, or to go into real estate, since, he has his license, but I honestly think, as much as he hates the stress, he likes his job in some strange, Stockholm Syndrome-like way. It has allowed me to meet three presidents and a few VPs, so I'm not complaining.