Thursday, December 22, 2016

The top candidates to lead the Democratic National Committee are positioning their campaigns as a repudiation of what they see as the political legacy of President Barack Obama.

Though they rarely mention the president by name or address his policies, Labor Secretary Tom Perez and Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison have sent a clear message that Mr. Obama has left the party in a weakened state.

Messers. Perez and Ellison—along with state chairmen Jaime Harrison of South Carolina and Ray Buckley of New Hampshire, who are also candidates for chairman of the DNC—are seeking a mandate to reverse Obama-era tactics that cut funding and attention to local parties and left Democrats with far less power in Congress, governorships and state legislatures than when his presidency began.

Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union in the Cold War. George W. Bush defeated Afghanistan and Iraq, although he blew the occupation. Even George Bush oversaw the fall of the Berlin Wall. Obama managed to lose a proxy war in Syria, turn Libya into a Somali-style failed state, and abetted the invasions of Europe and the USA.

I'm not saying he was the worst president ever; that disgrace probably has to go to LBJ considering that he was responsible for Vietnam, the Great Society, and the 1965 Immigration Act. But he wasn't even mediocre.

Glad to see that someone isn't letting LBJ slip under the "worst ever" radr. Don't forget, he also signed in the "unified" budget, using the SS reserves to cover the fact that he was destroying the economy by trying have both the "Great Society" and a shooting war running at full speed at the same time.

Still think Nixon is worse though. Title IX, the EPA, the "war on drugs", attempts at wage and price controls, and, although his hand was forced on ending Bretton Woods, he had no plan for dealing with the consequences.

If his puppet master was stupid he would make a mistake in our favor occasionally.

Yes. The ISISfication of Libya and the rape of Europe were what they had planned all along. None of this was surprising to anybody who remembered the Iraq fiasco just five minutes before or had seen a Moslem.

I'd feel more sorry for the Germans if they weren't such snivelling cucks. They were even more fanatical about Chew Soap than the most gullible American voters in 08.

LBJ also neutered the churches into the sniveling pussies they are today, as a senator I believe, with the 501C3 designation. These 'Christians" sold out for a clergy income tax exemption, and yet will likely preach against Judas on Easter concerning his 30 pieces of silver sell-out. Hypocrites all.

When you're making a "worst president" list, don't forget Jimmy Carter, FDR or Lincoln. They're all strong contenders for the title.

I think FDR wins it hands down. It was FDR that turned the states into satrapies of the federal government by bullying the courts into a ridiculously broad interpretation of the commerce clause. He not only broke the system, he broke the structure of the system.

As for rating the worst D President of the 20th century, I'll go with LBJ/Nixon. Most of Nixon's policies were just extensions of LBJ's with different stickers. George Wallace supposedly said there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the main parties, and there wasn't.

Bush failed unprecedentedly on foreign policy, economy, surveillance state/NSA, increased corruption, cucking republicans, open borders, attempting to privatise social security, sending whites to die and be maimed for Israel, the BP oil spill (which is his fault), letting 9-11 happen, real income stagnation, private debt explosion, wall street scamming, letting a psychopath like Cheney run the US for a few years and even found time to boost the population of Africa with his AIDS spending virtue signalling.

You're all bleating about dems, because you associate dems with open borders, but a traitor is 10 times worse than a declared enemy.

"I'm not saying he was the worst president ever; that disgrace probably has to go to LBJ considering that he was responsible for Vietnam, the Great Society, and the 1965 Immigration Act. But he wasn't even mediocre."

Our worst was Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser letting in the Lebanese.

Today in Australia the AFP and Victorian police foiled a Christmas Day terror plot. 7 arrested, 5 to be charged, 4 Australians of Lebanese descent, 1 Egyptian born Australian.

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A lot of you were too young to remember the Cold War, but Soviet Communism was just as anti-civilization as Islam and had a lot more relative power. If it hadn't been for presidents like LBJ and Nixon standing up to them, they could have conquered the country and murdered millions of Americans.

Carter, by contrast, was a war-time president who sympathized with and aided the enemy, which puts him in the same league as Obama.

Im going with Lincoln. If peaceful secession had been allowed most of today's present problems would not exist. The preservation of the union led to the centralization of power in Washington. This centralization created an optimum petri dish for all sorts of grifters, parasites and demons to flourish. An optimal environment for the birthing of such reptiles as Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson. The bulk of the world's problems can be directly raced to this concentration of power - aka. Mordor on the Potomac.

The F-35 ain't doing Bammy any favors either, between trannies in the trenches and an over priced under performing boondoggle of a plane with astronomical costs he might be the shmiel who gets tagged by the establishment as the person who broke the Empire

Soviet communism lasted as long as it did because of active help from the USA (from FDR on.) Their system was doomed the moment it began. Nothing LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Ford or Reagan did mattered. It was and always will be impossible to operate a system without market prices. The USSR would have collapsed decades earlier if simply left to its own devices.

"Soviet communism lasted as long as it did because of active help from the USA (from FDR on.) "

Exactly... coming from a family of Birchers I remember reading about all of the treason and subsidizing that took place within the highest levels of the US govt. - when it came to the Soviets.Similar in many ways to what took place between Arafat (PLO) and the Israeli government. One of those types of "enemies" who if they didn't exist - the govt would have to create them

I agree with #28. When you take everything into account the worst was Woodrow Wilson.

He took a free nation with money convertible into actual gold and helped give it the shackles of a privately owned central bank and an income tax. Oh, and he almost pointlessly got us into WWI because the banks who owned him had loaned a lot of money to the british and french and didn't want to see those debts go unpaid. Oh, and he did nothing to stop Prohibition which set a terrible precedent for gov't intervention in our private lives and resulted in a surge in growth of organized crime. Then, he tried to push his childish prig's notion of world gov't on people and was one of the people most responsible for the treaty of Versailles that was a major cause of WWII.

Oh, and then when he suffered a debilitating stroke, he wasn't man enough to step down so the nation suffered the reign of president Edith Wilson for a year.

BBGKB wrote:If his puppet master was stupid he would make a mistake in our favor occasionally.

They did. There was no part of the plan where they so weakened the Democratic Party that Donald Trump could win the Presidency. As great as he may be, he won because he was left an opening by two sclerotic parties. Had they been healthy there would have been no opening for him.

The Establishment is very powerful, and they do have a plan, but do not make the mistake of thinking it is a completely rational plan, or that they are somehow immune to simple effects like believing their own lies if they are told for long enough, or being ideologically blinkered. The establishment is being beaten back around the world, it's probably just getting started, and, no, it's not part of their clever master plan.

(At least not for the humans. Those who believe there are Powers and Principalities behind the warfare as well, perhaps it does please them to sacrifice the current establishment powers that be. In fact I could easily spin a tale as to how letting us win for a couple decades fuels the long-term turn to the One World Government. But it's not part of the human's plans to lose this much.)

I am not buying it. I believe they will revisit his policies over me over again as SJWs narrative must remain regardless of the failures. They will simply repackage what they believe the human race is destined for.

I will go with Vox here. The 1965 immigration act destroyed the United States, and LBJ signed it into law and assured Americans it would not change demographics. You can undo many things, but a changed demographic is not one of them. Trump has given us breathing space to sort through the ruins but that's about it.

We understand why Obama is so devisive: he hates the country he is President and his heart is in the Muslim world (the world of his childhood). But what was LBJ's motivation for being so devisive and destructive?

And for contrast. The God-Emperor has not ascended the throne yet, and the Navy is already reversing the gender neutral job descriptions the started earlier this year.

I'm not thinking in terms of worse, but in terms of incompetent. Conceited boob Zero has taken the trophy from Jimmy the unconceited boob. LBJ was bad for all the reasons listed, but he wasn't a conceited boob. Now that the House Nigga is out, there will be a string of books on his Section 8 stay in the White House.

looking for the worst ever? Wilson absolutely has to be your man. Look at how many things he presided over. It was his shoulders on which FDR, LBJ, Nixon, both Bushes, Clinton and the Mulatto stood on for the dastardly deeds they all did.

Let's check off his list:16th Amendment: income taxes and the IRS17th Amendment: popular vote for Senators; this removed state governments from having a direct seat at the table (I find it hard to believe the states didn't understand what this was going to do to their power in Washington).

18th Amendment: Prohibition and the rise of organized crime19th Amendment: gave women the vote

Federal Reserve Act: saddled us with a central bank after the country had survived nearly 80 years without one. Check out what happened to JFK after he issued US Notes in lieu of FR Notes. Think it's a coincidence no President since has tried that?

entry into WW1: that was a European civil war and we had absolutely no business over there, period.

key role in Versailles Treaty: which virtually guaranteed WW2

League of Nations: what a failure, unfortunately it served as the precedent for the United Nations

did not step down following his stroke: they had to pass the 25th Amendment to provide a procedure for removing the President in case of a disability

If he wasn't the worst president ever, it wasn't because he didn't try, it's because he couldn't succeed even when Dems held everything. Incompetence to a level that was astounding is the only thing that saved him from being the worst, which... to a degree... puts him in his own category. I think you are being too judgmental on the dope.

As a fact, not only did he harm America, he really hurt "his people" and the Democrat party even more so. So, in a way, yeah... I think he was the worst, all around, for everybody. Pretty much what was to be expected. Just that in destroying his own party and the hopes of his peoples, he... got the trifecta too.

The Wilson comments are good. I don't know as much about him as other presidents.

If you read Henry Goldman (of Goldman Sachs fame) biography. His daughter mentions in passing that his pro-Germany father and his banker clique were aware Zionist Jews under Chaim Weizmann blackmailed Wilson into getting into WW1 on the UK side, and I assume the Fed.

Many jews trace their ancestry and background to Germany and not the UK. Before WW1, most Americans were of German descent, not Anglo/Sax stock. Obviously the zionists won, and in return Britain gave the Zionists Palestine (Balfour Declaration, Google It)

As for some of these other comments, there are legitimate reasons for a central bank. Most countries from America, to Russia, to China to Argentina have one for technical reasons I'm not going to bore you with so I'm not sold on fiat money.

The income tax is better than raising money from tariffs and sales taxes or licensing fees and other numbnut Cucknomics make poor poorer quick! schemes.

And saying Prohibition was bad is fine, if you also think prohibition against drugs is fine. Drugs are a bigger problem than alcohol prohibition was. Why? INELASTIC DEMAND DOES NOT APPLY TO ALCOHOL.

#64. The income tax came in 1913. Prohibition came in 1920. As to Wilson and the latter, he vetoed it in support of a sort of technicality of the Volstead Act's language. He never actively opposed it, didn't try to get congressmen and senators to vote against it and after it was enacted his justice department actively worked to enforce it.

Wilson did one, and only one, thing to oppose it. He signed a veto but he knew the votes were there to override that veto and he did nothing to change that.

While I yield to no man in my contempt for Woodrow Wilson, I do have to point out that whether or not the Lusitania was carrying munitions has nothing to do with the US entering WWI. Lusitania was sunk in 1915 -- two years before the US joined the war.

American intervention was chiefly in response to the Zimmerman Telegram, which was a massive own-goal on the part of the German foreign ministry.

Mountain Man Im going with Lincoln. If peaceful secession had been allowed most of today's present problems would not exist.

The problem with putting Lincoln on the list of worst presidents is that if peaceful secession had been allowed, there would not be a superpower United States today. Alaska might still be Russian, or perhaps Chinese or Japanese. Hawaii and Guam would be Japanese. California might be a Spanish speaking province of Mexico or perhaps an independent nation. Utah might be a Mormon theocracy complete with polygamy. Texas might have once again been invaded and annexed by Mexico. The history of the North American continent would be completely different, and probably not better.

One thing I've read in many places is that pre-war, people in America, north and south, identified themselves as New Yorkers, Texans, South Carolinians, etc. After the war, they identified themselves as Americans. Except for Texans, who to this day identify as Texan first. Also references went from "the United States are" to "the United States is".

LBJ was nothing but a more masculine versions of Johnny Pedoresta - minus the canabalism fetish.

He loved raw power, had no qualms about offing opponents who stood in his way and was committed fully to doing the bidding of his handlers. In return he got the power he craved and ( according to rumors) unfettered access to hot dogs.

LBJ was a socipath. He couldn't resist cheating people even when it meant nothing to him. One tape from the White House taping system that JFK installed and which caused Nixon so much trouble involved him pressing his barber not to charge him money for his haircuts because he was getting the honor cutting the president's hair. The guy had millions in ill gotten booty but couldn't resist strong arming his barber out of a few dollars that actually meant something to that guy.

"We understand why Obama is so devisive: he hates the country he is President and his heart is in the Muslim world (the world of his childhood). But what was LBJ's motivation for being so devisive and destructive?"

LBJ hated America because he loved the South and Texas and hated what America did to his precious home after the Civil War. He counted on his shenanigans to do enormous damage to northern cities...but somewhat miscalculated the scope.

Obama is already vanishing from the scene as if he was never there, and you can see why Michelle is so pissed: no more freeloading on an imperial scale for her.

Unfortunately, Obama will continue to insinuate himself into political life, fancying himself as an elder statesman, and having the Fake News media constantly at his beck and call (they will be willing accomplices, since the God Emperor already knows how to bypass them, so they need some way to continue to project the narrative and work to de legitimize the new Administration. It is going to be a long eight years with Obama yelling in one ear all the time).

Of course the good news is while Obama is carrying out his self proclaimed victory tour, he will also be distracting the Dems from doing any serious introspection and rebuilding. I'm investing in a set of PEltor noise cancelling headphones (which are also quite handy on the rifle range.....)

"The income tax is better than raising money from tariffs and sales taxes or licensing fees and other numbnut Cucknomics make poor poorer quick! schemes."

As a CPA, I get to see how this thing works in the real world. It confuses and exhausts the individual taxpayer, and with good reason.

Consider one small thing, the minimum age most people can take an IRA without paying the onerous 10% "early withdrawal penalty" tax not 59, not 60, but 59 and a half. Idiotic.

Then there's the "earned income tax credit", which is NOT based on earned income, but based on a lack of income. It's also not a credit, it's a free gift, that of course makes recipients have a rather warm fuzzy toward the IRS, creating a constituency that has no resentment towards the IRS, the tax code and the government.

The income tax has distorted the economy, and the relationship of the citizen to the government.

The states should fund the federal government. They would have the resources and expertise to reign in the insatiable appetite for bread and circuses. If a state's tax system became too greedy, expensive or invasive, people would have the alternative of another state; and if they had too many giveaways like EITC, they'd attract those that want to sponge, and get less revenue.

I don't think the coming Invader-American War is going to end up being more destructive to the American nation, on a relative basis, than Lincoln's War was. So I still count Lincoln as the worst President ever.

Imelda Michelle is easily the worst 1st Lady, which is remarkable, considering the Lizardess. Whereas Clinton abused her ceremonial power like an American white woman, Obama didn't stand a chance of even faking being any of the three.

> The problem with putting Lincoln on the list of worst presidents is that if peaceful secession had been allowed, there would not be a superpower United States today.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

> The income tax is better than raising money from tariffs and sales taxes or licensing fees and other numbnut Cucknomics make poor poorer quick! schemes.

No, it isn't. We could argue the reasons for weeks, but that's not a statement can be allow to pass without opposition.

> And saying Prohibition was bad is fine, if you also think prohibition against drugs is fine.

Most of us here do.

> One thing I've read in many places is that pre-war, people in America, north and south, identified themselves as New Yorkers, Texans, South Carolinians, etc. After the war, they identified themselves as Americans.

Slightly off the main topic of this post of who's worst, etc., the thing that struck me from that excerpt was that these Dems are blaming lack of funding for their local failures. Surprise, surprise! It's always about the money with these people. If Program X had just had more money it would have worked! The list is endless, of course.

JaimeInTexas wrote:"Before WW1, most Americans were of German descent, not Anglo/Sax stock."

You got a source for this?

Majority in some regions, especially in the North? Yes. Majority in the South? No.

I can't give you a source for it, but my understanding is that in WWII a little under half the US population was central European in biological origin. The original Germans came for southern Scandinavia, and I am guessing that the Low Countries and northern German people are close to pure. Everywhere else 'German' is a linguistic group, made up of mixed race people, and there are numerous mixed race with some German that do not speak German.

There were areas in the South that only spoke Welsh. The South is Celtic, the North Anglo-Saxon. That is why some authors day that the war was an extension of the cultural English-Irish-Scots conflict. Picket fences versus open range, for example.

Face it. Other than the glorious Reagan interlude we have not had a decent president since Eisenhower left office. (Kennedy might have developed into a good president, but his libido, health problems, recklessness and inexperience didn't permit.) It has been continuous decline president after president (excepting the 80's) ever since.

I know Obama probably has glorious Secret King plans to be in the news cycle for the next eight years gadflying Trump... but what do you want to bet sometime during those eight years Trump works out a way to swat the gadfly? Obama actually is the thin-skinned narcissist that people accuse Trump of being... is there any chance he'll discover that hectoring without the benefit of the bully pulpit, while under fire from it, isn't worth it?

And I wouldn't be surprised he gets a little private convo from Trump at some point to the effect of "Either slink quietly off the stage or the following 10 investigations will proceed onward." I mean, given the divergence between what Obama claimed to be doing and what he has actually been doing, I don't think it's out of the question Trump could have the liberalati convinced Obama was a class-A traitor to their cause in a couple of years.

Obama has been a failure at everything he's touched, and that includes leaving himself a solid platform from which to harass others.

@ JaimeInTexasI read decades ago that LBJ sold the TVA to the rural citizens by saying that the women who traditionally went to the well to fetch water would not age as fast as they would from the hard work.

Once was toying with the idea of doing an Alt. Hist. wherein Ho, while baking at the Parker House in Boston, comes under the tutelage of an old time Yankee and is funneled to Harvard (not then an especially lefty school) rather than the Sorborne, thus is spared becoming a Marxist.

The problem there was that, to a Vietnamese, used to rice agriculture, collectivization and group organization would have seemed normal, right, and probably inevitable for his people. There was likely no way Ho wouldn't have become a red, given his background, no matter who or what intervened, when or how.

Disagree about Lincoln though you're right that his victory meant increasing centralization.I've looked at arguments from both sides and fact is the situation was out of control before Lincoln was even inaugurated. His predecessors are to blame for fiascos like Kansas-Nebraska act and the Dredd Scott case(Buchanan actually conspired with Chief Justice Taney on this!)Lincoln tried to take a conciliatory stance and may well have considered political separation through due process. He only rejected unilateral and violent secession, because no nation that allowed it could exist for more than 5 minutes.

Hard to say W is a bad as guys like Buchanan who was borderline treasonous or Wilson who did more than perhaps any other man undermine the nation and the entire Western world.Nevertheless, it's hard to say if ever in world history any leader has inherited as optimal a situation as W Bush did and fumbled it as incompetently and disastrously...again and again in every imaginable way.

Kennedy's bungling with Bay of Pigs and clumsily applying strategic pressure to the USSR led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis, which could have destroyed civilization.His approval of a CIA coup in Vietnam destroyed any illusion of a legitimate South Vietnamese government and led to a succession of feuding generals in Saigon destroying any chance of US success there.Reagan played a large role in setting up a national cuckservative religion of offshoring jobs, trickle down economics, undermining the labor power of the working class, and exacerbating the problem of immigration to new heights.Eisenhower really was the last decidedly good president! Nixon was possibly the best since 1960!