You're happy to be frisked as long as grandma doesn't? fark that. Being 90 doesn't make you innocent, and seniors are making all the goddamn laws anyway. I don't deserve to be treated like a criminal any more than any baby or old person does.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

Is it Obama's fault? No, not unless he personally saw the waring which I doubt . So he is no more responsible for this than the Secret Service whoring around. But he his in charge. I would say this along with Benghazi indicates there needs to be some leadership changes in the Departments/Agencies concerned. Obama's best move would be to own it and correct it. as Reagan did with Beirut instead of the Clinton "out of the loop excuse": for Mogadishu.

nekom:Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

When the Saudi's deny entrance to Mecca because they think someone is too crazy, that should mean something.

Maybe on it's own it's not too serious, but two BOLO's from two different countries should raise the red flag a lot higher.

hasty ambush:Is it Obama's fault? No, not unless he personally saw the waring which I doubt . So he is no more responsible for this than the Secret Service whoring around. But he his in charge. I would say this along with Benghazi indicates there needs to be some leadership changes in the Departments/Agencies concerned. Obama's best move would be to own it and correct it. as Reagan did with Beirut instead of the Clinton "out of the loop excuse": for Mogadishu.

I agree and would it be too much to hope for that he would use the opportunity to fix the Department of Homeland Security.

BizarreMan:Maybe on it's own it's not too serious, but two BOLO's from two different countries should raise the red flag a lot higher.

Sure, and they DID investigate when the Russians said to watch out for him. They found nothing of interest, asked Russia if they had any more specific information and I guess Russia just sort of trailed off. I would also really like to know just how many people the Russians, Saudis and others warned us about. If there's no ACTIONABLE intelligence, then what good is "hey, watch out, this guy's bad news"?

And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN. RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there

I would imagine there would be no reason whatsoever for the Saudi government to, say, confirm the denial of an entry visa for Tamerlan. I would also imagine that a reporter would, at the minimum, seek out such confirmation through formal channels and at least report the results, successful or not. I won't hold my breath for any such confirmation or even an attempt at seeking such confirmation.

And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN. RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there

I would imagine there would be no reason whatsoever for the Saudi government to, say, NOT confirm the denial of an entry visa for Tamerlan. I would also imagine that a reporter would, at the minimum, seek out such confirmation through formal channels and at least report the results, successful or not. I won't hold my breath for any such confirmation or even an attempt at seeking such confirmation.

Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.

EngineerAU:Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.

Yep. When the watch list becomes as big as a telephone book, it's hard to keep careful track of everyone on it.

Tom_Slick:hasty ambush: Is it Obama's fault? No, not unless he personally saw the waring which I doubt . So he is no more responsible for this than the Secret Service whoring around. But he his in charge. I would say this along with Benghazi indicates there needs to be some leadership changes in the Departments/Agencies concerned. Obama's best move would be to own it and correct it. as Reagan did with Beirut instead of the Clinton "out of the loop excuse": for Mogadishu.

I agree and would it be too much to hope for that he would use the opportunity to fix the Department of Homeland Security.

I recall somebody (maybe even W) in the days or weeks after 9/11 saying that this new war would be fought with intelligence, not typical (at the time) send the army in and blow everything up. Sad that nearly 12 years later we still don't have basic intelligence at TSA and just profile or otherwise search random travelers instead of using what we know to look specifically at certain people. It turns out this guy was on somebody's radar and yet opportunities were missed. Spend the money on computers that can find misspellings, not wanding 90 year olds.

nekom:BizarreMan:Maybe on it's own it's not too serious, but two BOLO's from two different countries should raise the red flag a lot higher.

Sure, and they DID investigate when the Russians said to watch out for him. They found nothing of interest, asked Russia if they had any more specific information and I guess Russia just sort of trailed off. I would also really like to know just how many people the Russians, Saudis and others warned us about. If there's no ACTIONABLE intelligence, then what good is "hey, watch out, this guy's bad news"?

Really. The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list." What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?