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Speaking of Gunray, I thought his depiction was somewhat off compared to what I saw in Phantom Menace and Labyrinth of Evil. In both of these he was just a cowardly but greedy guy who got dragged into the Sith scheme, but here he acted more like a warlord than anything else.

I thought this episode was alright...but I have to be honest, I feel like it focused on the weakest characters in Star Wars. If it had been Padme, Jar Jar, or Threepio with any other characters, I think I would have been fine, but I think having all three in the same episode was almost too much.

The pluses for me were seeing Rodia and really having the Rodian race expanded on in a canon setting. This is the first episode of the Clone Wars that hasn't blown me away, but I know that if I were watching these on DVD, I'd be much more forgiving because I wouldn't have to wait for at least a week before I got to see a new episode, I'd be able to just go on to the next one then.

Certainly not a bad episode, but I think definitely one for the younger viewers. I was also puzzled by the warnings that Cartoon Network posted before each segment aired, as it didn't really seem to have any violence, just some droid blasting.

I've been assuming that it was because the general thought at the time the statement was made by people was that Jar Jar was in fact a Jedi. He's even called Master Bombad... My guess is there is some stuff that may have been edited out where he put on more of a front (possibly with Padme's help). It wasn't until afterwards that he reveals that he is just a Gungan and not a Jedi. A trooper receiving a message ran up to the first thing that looked like a Jedi, and probably assumed that the message was relayed by the droid for him.

the episode guide has been updated on TOS, btw- it does confirm that the line of dialogue establishing where "Master Bombad" came from was cut, as well as points out the Swamp Slug's origins as McQuarrie art for a Dagboah creature.

Well, that's easy. There seems to be a lot cut from the ep, but I guess all around everyone was convinced that there really was a Jedi on the planet. Unless there's a padawan braid, to clones, if it looks like a Jedi, it's probably a general, and there's probably a standing order to answer to whichever one is handy.

A very, light, enjoyable episode. Jar Jar's was perfect, from Ahmed Best back doing the voice, to his clumsiness, to his heart always being in the right place.

Three-So was a little meh, and it was nice to see Padme getting her action groove on. Loved Jar Jar's new friend. Gunray's voice was a little off, but that to be expected where the original voice actors are not available.

Maybe Master Bombad will always hold a sacred place in the history of Rodia from here forward

I've been assuming that it was because the general thought at the time the statement was made by people was that Jar Jar was in fact a Jedi. He's even called Master Bombad... My guess is there is some stuff that may have been edited out where he put on more of a front (possibly with Padme's help). It wasn't until afterwards that he reveals that he is just a Gungan and not a Jedi. A trooper receiving a message ran up to the first thing that looked like a Jedi, and probably assumed that the message was relayed by the droid for him.

Jar Jar did hold the Rank of General during the Battle of Naboo so he may still sometime be refered to as General Binks even if his command was short and he is not actively in the military,

Jar Jar was pretty good in this episode and I wouldn?t mind seeing him again in the series.

IMHO Rodia is probably the best looking planet since Naboo in episode 1, its just amazing how much work has bean put into these designs. I thought the Rodian ruler and his story was very well handled and much better then what I would expect from a so called children?s series. I really hope we will se more of both this planet and its ruler in the future.

The episode was better than I expect. 3P0 could have been used a little better. Padme was good. Gunray was good. Rodia was cool to see.

Padme's starship...didn't it get blown up in Malevolence part 3?? They really should have aired these things in order. Here's hoping the list the order on the DVD release so we can watch them as intended and they do a better job of releasing them in order next year.

Anyway, my biggest problem with the episode was when Jar Jar starts pushing buttons for no reason and all that mayham happens. It was too much. And then all of a sudden he finds his courage and tries to save Padme? Jar Jar was always a coward in the movies. And he wouldn't have been stupid enough to keep pushing buttons once he found out what they did. And where did the courage come from?

Still, it wasn't boring and the bit where Padme asks 3PO if the battledroids destroyed the ship and he says no and then she goes "Jar Jar?" with a hint of acceptance and lack of surprise was funny. You could really see why they would care for Jar Jar and root for him to be okay, but that doesn't explain why Padme brought him along for the ride and why they continue to associate with him.

Is Kevin Rubio scheduled to write any more episodes? I would like to see his take on the main characters and not relegate him to b-stuff since he has a fan following. That's not fair. Let the new writers cut their teeth on the b-stuff.

- The Rodian did sound too much like the Clones, but oh well.
He, as well as his aid had great eyes.
They reminded me of the Kaminoans, who also have galaxy looking eyes.

- I wonder who threw that glob of goo at Jar Jar? Not the little dragon flies, right?
Was it the slug monster? If so, why would she do that? As a sign of love banter?

-Yay! Jar Jar! I loved how he climbed up the vines with his robe.
It felt like a scene from a swashbuckling movie, where the unexperienced hero tries to rescue the princess from her prison tower. Classic motif.

Nice to see him make a friend. Reminded me of the Dragon and the Donkey in Shrek a bit.

- Nute Gunray is back! Too bad he wasn't voiced by Silas Carson. I liked his hasty tone better. Tom Kenny did a pretty good job, though. I still think Roger Jackson, who voiced Mojo Jojo on The Powerpuff Girls would have been a better pick.

- In general, having an episode about two "comic relief" character on a adventure where they have to prove themselves is just a brilliant idea.

- The bagpipe music fit Jar Jar really well.
Too bad Kiner doesn't generally use the established character themes John Williams created.
It would add a lot, IMO.
Just look at Yoda's theme in the cave of Ambush, it was great, especially with that eerie alteration of the theme near the end of that scene.

- I really like the fact we got to see the Neimoidian Shuttle again.
Hopefully they'll make it into a 3 3/ 4" scale toy someday.

Padme's starship...didn't it get blown up in Malevolence part 3?? They really should have aired these things in order.

Then... we'd be wondering why the ship that got trashed in Bombad Jedi shows up in Malevolence...

Yeah, there's no real change no matter how you order it.

Strangely enough- one of the recent video games shows this to take place before Malevolence (reflecting the production order), but the web comic establishes this is now post-Malevolence (posisbly altered to reflect the airing order).

Definitely the weakest episode of the season, if you don't count the movie. (Jabba's gay brother?)

Anyhow, I am getting a little sick and tired of the same old story lines that they borrow from the movies. Guess what? This was just another episode where one of the characters gets in trouble and they all have to save them, shoot some bad guys, do a little slapstick, and smile at the end. Ugh, I am getting tired of that. How many times have they already had an episode where they have to save someone that was in trouble?

Also, why would Padme be so stupid as to go to the planet alone without speaking to her Uncle beforehand?

What was the purpose of bringing Jar Jar?

What was the purpose of bring 3PO?

What was the purpose of the episode?

Sorry folks, but Jar Jar is a failed attempt at comedy from Lucas and he is continuing the failed experiment on Cartoon Network. Although, I know that JarJar is geared towards children...just ask my son who absolutely loves him; but for 30-somethings like myself; why torture us with even one token episode with jar Jar.

I really wish Lucas could take more chances with the Star Wars universe and try a different formula, because the "rescue me" formula is getting a little tired.

Anyhow, I am getting a little sick and tired of the same old story lines that they borrow from the movies. Guess what? This was just another episode where one of the characters gets in trouble and they all have to save them, shoot some bad guys, do a little slapstick, and smile at the end. Ugh, I am getting tired of that. How many times have they already had an episode where they have to save someone that was in trouble? ...I really wish Lucas could take more chances with the Star Wars universe and try a different formula, because the "rescue me" formula is getting a little tired.

Like what? In a war, besides destroying weapons, attacking enemies, and rescuing people, what else can you do?

I'm not saying that there are no other possibilities. I'm sure there are (although many of them would just be using the war as a backdrop, which is fine). I'm just asking you what they might be.

Not--A-Moon said:

but for 30-somethings like myself; why torture us with even one token episode with jar Jar.

I'm 30. I didn't mind Jar-Jar in the prequels. And I didn't mind him in this episode. It definitely wasn't torture. To the contrary...I enjoyed the episode. It wasn't my favorite, but I enjoyed it.

I'm curious why so many people put words into 30-and-over SW fans' mouths these days. I see it so often. Problem is, I often disagree with those words. And I must admit, I grow weary of it.