Poor people get tattoos, rich people spend their money on things that have a return on investment.

Quoting: BRIEF

there are exceptions to every "rule" Although I wouldn't really classify that as a rule of thumb.

I am not poor, not in a gang, not "cattle" as you say. I am a businessman, conservative, Father and husband.

Yet I have many tattoos.

Quoting: Charlie Scene

Yeah, there are of course exceptions :)

Quoting: BRIEF

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

well, i think everyone here is showing their true colors, with or without the ink.

"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow". ~Aesop

"Once in a dream I saw a snake swallowing its own tail, it swallowed and swallowed until it got halfway round, and there it stopped and there it stayed, it was stuffed with its own self. Some fix, that. We only have ourselves to go on, and it’s enough…" -Charles Bukowski

"Grasping at things can only yield one of two results: Either the thing you are grasping at disappears, or you yourself disappear. It is only a matter of which occurs first." -Goenka

Poor people get tattoos, rich people spend their money on things that have a return on investment.

Quoting: BRIEF

there are exceptions to every "rule" Although I wouldn't really classify that as a rule of thumb.

I am not poor, not in a gang, not "cattle" as you say. I am a businessman, conservative, Father and husband.

Yet I have many tattoos.

Quoting: Charlie Scene

Yeah, there are of course exceptions :)

Quoting: BRIEF

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

there are exceptions to every "rule" Although I wouldn't really classify that as a rule of thumb.

I am not poor, not in a gang, not "cattle" as you say. I am a businessman, conservative, Father and husband.

Yet I have many tattoos.

Quoting: Charlie Scene

Yeah, there are of course exceptions :)

Quoting: BRIEF

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

Can you tell me any you know definately don't? Who's to say they don't do like some of us do and cover them while in public. I'm sure there someone from Mensa with daffy mowing through his pubes somewhere.

An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until eventually they know everything about nothing ~ Anonymous

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

Can you tell me any you know definately don't? Who's to say they don't do like some of us do and cover them while in public. I'm sure there someone from Mensa with daffy mowing through his pubes somewhere.

Quoting: BoboTheHobo

hahah, well we talk...my grandfather is dead now, but I know for a fact he had none...

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

Can you tell me any you know definately don't? Who's to say they don't do like some of us do and cover them while in public. I'm sure there someone from Mensa with daffy mowing through his pubes somewhere.

Quoting: BoboTheHobo

Brief isn't intelligent at all so he has no say about what very intelligent people actually take part in. Everyone has tattoo's - doctors, attorneys, iron workers, burger flippers, GLPer's. It's not a sign of anything other than taste.. Some tattoos are tasteful, others aren't. Some of the tasteless ones are excellent artwork, some of the crappy tattoos have the most meaning. I'm a designer and I find it hilarious that he thinks only morons get tattooed. I'm covered pretty good with tattoos and I'm intelligent. It's actually more about class/culture/background than it is about IQ.

EDIT: Most snobs/yuppies think tattoos are tacky, for example. But even the cops - whom Brief loves so much - are often tattooed. I hate cops WAY more than I hate yuppies, for example, so clearly it's all preference.

there are exceptions to every "rule" Although I wouldn't really classify that as a rule of thumb.

I am not poor, not in a gang, not "cattle" as you say. I am a businessman, conservative, Father and husband.

Yet I have many tattoos.

Quoting: Charlie Scene

Yeah, there are of course exceptions :)

Quoting: BRIEF

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

So you're saying my father and grandfather, and me aren't and weren't intelligent. Thanks. My grandfather wasn't in the Navy, he just lost a son there. What an idiot, huh!? C'mon. None of us would judge you or anyone else if you had a tattoo or not.

And as a matter of fact there's quite a few tattooed "geniuses" I can think of. All people who came from nothing and are successful either in all or some aspects of their lives. One in particular that I worked with for over 12 years. He came from poverty in a steel town in PA and has more film awards and nominations at Canne than any other director in history. He charges $50,000 a day to direct. A million a week for video's and has an incredible wife and kids. He's aged since I worked with him, but he's still got it. His name's Joe Pytka. He's 6'7" and should be named Joe "fucking" Pytka (if you knew him you'd know why). Look up his biography, you'd be impressed. Especially if you're into sports.

Damn, I thought this was a free country. I guess it isn't if me and my family are going to be judged for having ink on our bodies. Lock us up and call us stupid is what should be done. Us, and all the firemen from 9/11 and returning vets from the current conflicts we're in that have ink too. Bunch of criminal dumb-asses.

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

So you're saying my father and grandfather, and me aren't and weren't intelligent. Thanks. My grandfather wasn't in the Navy, he just lost a son there. What an idiot, huh!? C'mon. None of us would judge you or anyone else if you had a tattoo or not.

And as a matter of fact there's quite a few tattooed "geniuses" I can think of. All people who came from nothing and are successful either in all or some aspects of their lives. One in particular that I worked with for over 12 years. He came from poverty in a steel town in PA and has more film awards and nominations at Canne than any other director in history. He charges $50,000 a day to direct. A million a week for video's and has an incredible wife and kids. He's aged since I worked with him, but he's still got it. His name's Joe Pytka. He's 6'7" and should be named Joe "fucking" Pytka (if you knew him you'd know why). Look up his biography, you'd be impressed. Especially if you're into sports.

Damn, I thought this was a free country. I guess it isn't if me and my family are going to be judged for having ink on our bodies. Lock us up and call us stupid is what should be done. Us, and all the firemen from 9/11 and returning vets from the current conflicts we're in that have ink too. Bunch of criminal dumb-asses.

those alphabet boys sure are busy keeping us safe!"The FBI wants your tattoos — more specifically, the meanings behind their inky black lines and colorful shapes — and it's asking local law enforcement agencies for help.The FBI's Biometric Center of Excellence, which already collects tattoos and other identity markers in its massive database, sent a request July 13 to police agencies for information "related to any current databases containing tattoo/symbol images, their possible meanings, gang affiliations, terrorist groups or other criminal organizations."

Everyone with a tattoo on their penis should send NICS Clarksburg a courtesy copy. If you buy a gun; attach a copy to the FFL form...We got a few homo ATF Agents in Albany that would love to start another circle jerk on a picture. Man Pivot ceremony....Ask for Mark and Jason!

Plenty of Homo men and 'f-ers in records will start a whack off party and get their blood pumping...perhaps get a real job!

Send a copy to TSA..riddled with them there I hear.

If you have a herpes sore like Va Tech shooter Cho; you will get a prize!

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

Can you tell me any you know definately don't? Who's to say they don't do like some of us do and cover them while in public. I'm sure there someone from Mensa with daffy mowing through his pubes somewhere.

Quoting: BoboTheHobo

Brief isn't intelligent at all so he has no say about what very intelligent people actually take part in. Everyone has tattoo's - doctors, attorneys, iron workers, burger flippers, GLPer's. It's not a sign of anything other than taste.. Some tattoos are tasteful, others aren't. Some of the tasteless ones are excellent artwork, some of the crappy tattoos have the most meaning. I'm a designer and I find it hilarious that he thinks only morons get tattooed. I'm covered pretty good with tattoos and I'm intelligent. It's actually more about class/culture/background than it is about IQ.

EDIT: Most snobs/yuppies think tattoos are tacky, for example. But even the cops - whom Brief loves so much - are often tattooed. I hate cops WAY more than I hate yuppies, for example, so clearly it's all preference.

Like my grandfather who got a tattoo in honor of the son he lost, my dad's brother in WWII. And my dad who had one on his bicep to commemorate his service on a heavy cruiser in the Navy, in the same war, firing the 9 inch guns and losing half his hearing in the battle of Truk Lagoon. Or me, who has a couple, and at 53 has been working on the books since I was 14 and owned three houses and NEVER pulled a crime.

I'm different because I'm still under the illusion that is a free country and if I want permanent artwork on my body I can get it. I guess that would mean if you're against them, you've got your own sense of freedom which I guess doffers from mine and my family.

Kat von D owns a castle in the Hollywood Hills and drives a custom Bentley. Her ex Jesse own more cool cars and motorcycles than all of us combined if you really think only the poor have them.

Neither my dad's or grandfather's faded or blurred before they died. And I've had mine since around 1990 and they look great and I get compliments from even little old lady's about how great they are.

If it's just a "fad", it's a long lived one. They've been around for thousands of years, for thousands, if not more, reasons. Lighten' up. There's worst things to be concerned about in this world. Unless you live a protected life in a protected world that's so hideously boring you actually put time into judging people for decisions about their lives that don't concern you at all.

Quoting: Captain Spaulding 22387549

My grandfather and my father were in the Navy...neither have/had tattoos...as gently as I can put this, very intelligent people don't get tattoos...I should say, highly intelligent people don't get tattoos...can you think of one genius that has tattoos?

Quoting: BRIEF

So you're saying my father and grandfather, and me aren't and weren't intelligent. Thanks. My grandfather wasn't in the Navy, he just lost a son there. What an idiot, huh!? C'mon. None of us would judge you or anyone else if you had a tattoo or not.

And as a matter of fact there's quite a few tattooed "geniuses" I can think of. All people who came from nothing and are successful either in all or some aspects of their lives. One in particular that I worked with for over 12 years. He came from poverty in a steel town in PA and has more film awards and nominations at Canne than any other director in history. He charges $50,000 a day to direct. A million a week for video's and has an incredible wife and kids. He's aged since I worked with him, but he's still got it. His name's Joe Pytka. He's 6'7" and should be named Joe "fucking" Pytka (if you knew him you'd know why). Look up his biography, you'd be impressed. Especially if you're into sports.

Damn, I thought this was a free country. I guess it isn't if me and my family are going to be judged for having ink on our bodies. Lock us up and call us stupid is what should be done. Us, and all the firemen from 9/11 and returning vets from the current conflicts we're in that have ink too. Bunch of criminal dumb-asses.

Yeah, I do. I'm just tired of being judged for working my ass off my whole life and being judged for a harmless, legal personal choice. And when people want to talk smack about my family I'll protect them. Just like you would yours.

People who eat too much, lift weights to "pump up" their muscles, diet too much, boob jobs, lip jobs, it's ALL body modification. One's not different from the other.

You've got to admit, what I wrote made sense. I mean, try telling a vet, one of my good hard working friends or one of the first responders who lost their compadre's that they're not very smart because they chose to get some ink. I guess you're right. If they wouldn't care what a judgmental person thinks, why should I?

And this is exactly why I would not get a real tattoo... the identification factor. Besides the fact that once the ink is under your skin, your body immediately goes to work to fight off the foreign entity, and that's why within decades the tattoo is usually illegible. Because that's how long it's taken your body to 'fight off' the ink to that stage.

Technology has come a long way...

There are better ways to sport an image on your body... they make temporary tattoos that can last for weeks now. Also, there's henna, for those who aren't interested in colors.

Quoting: Mister Obvious

Yes, and when you are old & fat, that once skinny sexy girl has become old mother hubbard.