Hope to see so other people join in on this. I've been enjoying this beautiful epistle.

If you haven't don't anything yet, you can still join in. You got two weeks to finish the phrase. So, come on and share your insights from this next passage!

Ryan Robinson

My Recent Phrase

Didn't have the time to do a full on published page. I've had some other things come on my plate recently. So, might not be able to do much other than share my phrase. We will see.

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Charlotte Flowers

Publishing/sharing reply

Trish, I'm no expert, but I think sharing your pages only allows members of your group to see them whereas everyone has access to published pages. As for adding your devotional, over on the right hand side there's a box labeled Add text block. That's where you get to write in whatever you want. And you can move your text to be ahead of or after your after phrasing or discourse module. I'm sure this explanation is as clear as mud!

Trish Caruso

Publishing Your Page

From the "Question Girl" (Sorry!): I am having trouble publishing my page. (1) I do not understand the difference between Sharing and Publishing. (2) I cannot figure out how to add the devotional module. I have looked at the tutorial. I may have more, but these are the ones coming to my mind right now.

Thank you all very much for your kindness, grace, help, and unending patience with all the questions.

Ryan Robinson

1 Thess 3:6-13

July 17-30

Join in on the passage! :)

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Trish Caruso

Software Help

I tried following your instructions but could not make it just delete one arrow in a group. I hope I understood correctly.

Josué Pineda

Ryan helped me with the wording of what I tried to say before:

1. Press the arrows tab (or number 4 on the keyboard)

2. Press new subordinate button

3. Click word that all the arrows are point to

4. Click clause(s) you don't want arrow to point to anymore.

5. Click create button

6. Click done button

That should be it. :)

italics are mine

Trish Caruso

Software Help

How do you delete just one arrow in a series of connected arrows without deleting them all? Hope this makes sense.

Ryan Robinson

To my knowledge, you can't. I've ran into this a few times and it's always dishearting.

Pam Smith

I’ve found that the only other ones deleted are the arrows connected to the same anchor phrase.

Josué Pineda

There is one way to do it. Press the arrow button (as if if you are going to create a new one), then click on the word at the head of the arrow you want to delete, and finally click on the "tail" of the arrow. Press create, and it will make it.

Josué Pineda

This is the evidence that Progressions (P) are not easy to me. =)

Josué Pineda

Please try, and let me know if it worked for you. This is how I do it.

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Ryan Robinson

2 Weeks - More Participation (hopefully)

Greetings!

Josue and I were talking about the current schedule and we decided that the weekly phrase is a little too quick. So, we are going to change up the schedule a little bit to where there are two weeks to do a section.

Our hopes is that there will be more people that will join in with doing the phrasing through 1 Thessalonians. Please join in.

So, this week is still 2:13-16 (shorter passage). Starting next week we will get going on 2:17-3:5.

You don't need to go back and do the last couple section if you don't want to. Just jump right in! Or, you can go back if you want. Either way. There are a lot of people in the group so we hope that some more people will join in and phrase through this beautiful letter that Paul wrote to the Thessalonians! :)

Thanks!

Josué Pineda

Thanks Ryan!!

Jonathan Stamberg

Thanks Ryan (and also to Josue!) for your leadership in this group. And the change to 2 weeks seems to be a great idea. I'm hoping I can engage a little in this study group in spite of a crazy schedule!

Jonathan Stamberg

P.S. just to make sure I understand, the schedule link from the Group description does not reflect the 2 week plan, right?

Ryan Robinson

You're correct. I should be able to change that sometime soon. We are working on 4:1-12 until 8/13. Join in!

Fergusson

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Trish Caruso

The "Fors"

First of all, thank you very much for your quick response. It is very much appreciated!
So if I understand correctly, whenever the "For" is "gar", it is not grammatically subordinate but logically subordinate. Do I have that right?

Ryan Robinson

"for" is normally "gar" but not always. When it is gar, yes, it is grammatically a coordinating conjunction but it is logically subordinate in that it supports what precedes.

If you look at 1 Thessalonians 2:1, it's almost a perfect example of there being continuity with the preceded section (e.g. talking about his visit). But there is something new and that can be seen from using the vocative (brothers and sisters) and the attention getting device called a metacomment (you yourselves know...this phrase isn't needed and doesn't take the discourse forward at all it is a comment on what is about to be said). These two things show there is a bit of a shift happening.

So, there is something new happening in one sense but continuity with was preceded as the same time. I hope this makes sense.

Now this isn't how it will work every time. It is a nice example to see this one though.

Hope this isn't confusing but rather clear and helpful. :)

Trish Caruso

Help with the "Fors"

I am having a really hard time discerning all the sentences which start with "For", whether they are main phrases or a subordinates. It has always been my understanding that the "For" sentences were subordinates, usually a ground. As I look at others' work, I see a lot of times the "For" is pulled to the left as the main phrase. I am very confused. If there is anything you can tell me that will help me know the difference, like a "test", I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!

Ryan Robinson

This is a great question! When I get home from work I'm going to respond. But again, this is a great and important question!

Ryan Robinson

Alright. Again, I want to say this is great question.

Important to point out is that the greek word for "for" isn't always the same. What word is "behind" the word "for" really matters. But! the nice thing is a majority of the time (around 39% of the time from a quick search) it is the greek word γὰρ (gar). γὰρ inherently has a supporting function and yet is a coordinating conjunction (clear as mud yes?).

So, look at it this way, it can start a new subsection (e.g. 1 Thessalonians 2:1) but there is continuity with what precedes in that it supports what precedes. Logically subordinate but grammatically it isn't.

Steve Runge and Stephen Levinsohn have probably the best literature on the function of γὰρ. They are academic but worthy of wrestling through. :)

Ryan Robinson

Let me know if I can clarify anything further of it you have a follow up question.

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Steven Long

1st Assignment

Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know that my phrase is coming––eventually :) Spring/Summer is heavy work schedule for me. Thanks for your patience

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Trish Caruso

When We're Finished Phrasing

What is the procedure when we are finished with all the passes of our first assignment?

Josué Pineda

For others who have trouble and see your question...

When you have finished our phrase:

1) click the share icon at the top of the project,

2) build your published page,

3) publish it.

4) and click the checkbox for this group from the list on the right.

Side note: We strongly encourage you all to publish your pages and not just to share them, including the audio clip, hashtags, and nugget. Also, please do not record blank audio. If you are not sure what to say, simply read a significant sentence from the passage.

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Charlotte Flowers

Titling

Will we all use the same title for our assignments, or title them individually?

Josué Pineda

Individual titles.

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Ryan Robinson

Schedule

I posted the schedule for 1 Thessalonians in the description of the group.

Just a quick question: are we using the same methods as taught in the Phrasing module for consistency or are we adding our own styles to this?

Josué Pineda

I think that consistency is important for the group. But at the same time, if you consider that a section of a passage could be displayed in a better way, feel free to do it.

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Josué Pineda

Voting Results

Thanks for sharing your opinion. 17 of you voted, and the result is the following:

1st) 1 Thessalonians - 7 votes

2nd) Ephesians - 6 votes

3rd) Philippians - 5 votes

If you would like to see all the results, follow this link https://goo.gl/Ul8FZc.

We can start working on 1 Thessalonians 1:1-10 for the first week.

I hope we enjoy the adventure of studying together the Pauline epistles. I am looking forward to seeing the result of the study of each of us.

Josué Pineda

Although our main option is to work with the text in English, anyone is also welcome to publish their phrasing with Greek.

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Steven Long

Example Pericope

Hey guys, here's a screenshot to the Pericope data set on how the different versions break the book down. Not that we have to use 1Thess, but Ryan mentioned it so I thought I would just grab a quick screenshot. Here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/reen2gnyj52ax4b/Pericope-1Thess.png?dl=0

Steven Long

Screenshot

Is there a way to post a scrreenshot to the group?

Josué Pineda

Not yet Steven.

Steven Long

Passage

Logos also has a Pericope set that breaks down all the passages. Not sure how useful it would be.

Josué Pineda

Good idea Steven.

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Josué Pineda

Let's vote!

...to make a joint decision about the book with which we will begin.

https://goo.gl/NUKniR

Eduardo E. Escobar

Let the vote begins!

Josué Pineda

Voting will be closed tomorrow morning. So you still have time to give your opinion. https://goo.gl/NUKniR

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Alexfrom84

cool idea bro

I think all of this sounds good. I'm game for whatever book!

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Ryan Robinson

Book Suggestion

I suggest 1 or 2 Thessalonians.

They are sometimes lost in the Pauline Corpus and are a little more simple than some of the other shorter Pauline letters (when it comes to grammar). The simpler grammar will help in kick starting something like this in the context of phrasing.

The more difficult part would be landing on the outline of the book probably. We could just take one of the top commentaries outlines (Weima?) and run with that instead of someone else having to determine the outline.

Steven Long

I know Logos also has a feature called pericope sets that break down all the passages. Not sure how useful that would be.

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Josué Pineda

How this group can work

Welcome, everyone! It is good to see you again in this group.

The idea for how this group can work is similar to other groups, as Gilerphone mentioned:

1) We select a Pauline epistle (I would like to suggest a short one to start).

2) We create a calendar according to the outline of the epistle.

3) We share our thoughts about what people share.

4) When we finished an epistle, we continue to another one.

Any comments? Ideas?

Feel the freedom to invite others.

(Please do not reply via email, but rather use the link above to go to the group where you can respond to this message or add a new one).

Jonathan Stamberg

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Gilerphone

Group Plan

Hey all,I'm not sure how groups work on Bible Arc but from looking at other groups, it seems we could do this the following way. Select a Pauline Epistle, have someone break it down into phrase-able chunks and then take one of those chunks each week to phrase. We each create a published page for our work and then we can discuss one another's work in the comments.I've been doing a little work in Colossians so I have a possible breakdown for that I'd be willing to share. I'm also happy to do something completely different to what I suggested above. I just wanted to get the ball rolling.Andy