You've lost me HJ. Why isn't a blank 2, a blank? If i'm sitting with AJ, and that turn comes off, i'm in love with my hand more now than i was on the flop?

Edit - I know it's not a total blank as in it doesn't appear to improve my opponents hand, but could improve hero's hand. I don't get the suit reference though.

Guy on the flop can have Xc2c in the 2nd example but can't have that combo in the 1st. His range and the range of hands that beat you are different when the flop 2 is a club that then pairs compared to when the flop isn't a club.

So more twos call when they have a club draw to back them up than you would see calling without - increasingly the frequency of a 2 appearing in the villains range

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In addition to what Kayroo said, the fact that the villain led the two makes it somewhat likely he has one. He can lead here because 99.9% of players won't understand that is isn't a blank. If I had A2c id lead here every time against unknowns.

That said we don't have enough information to just fold. We beat so much of both of the villains range I'd rather shove than fold. Call and play poker on the river is by far the best option.

In addition to what Kayroo said, the fact that the villain led the two makes it somewhat likely he has one. He can lead here because 99.9% of players won't understand that is isn't a blank. If I had A2c id lead here every time against unknowns.

That said we don't have enough information to just fold. We beat so much of both of the villains range I'd rather shove than fold. Call and play poker on the river is by far the best option.

What would you do if the river blanks, an actual blank this time, and the villain shoves? I reckon it plays out this way an awful lot .

Does V1 not check/r the flop enough to make this a call? He can get you to fold better; deny equity to a huge range of hands. I think it's a really weird line, but I hadn't consider the fact that the turn isn't a blank, it's a little over my head.

I can only assume that most of the people advocating lines other than shove are concerned about 2x. Lets give him A2o,K2s,Q2s,23s on the flop. That's like 17 combos or something.

IMO "Capable players" should be calling the flop cbet with a one-pair 2x exactly 0% of the time but to make it interesting lets say the villain shoves pair and flush draws (most Fitz regs know this line by now I think), folds 50% of the other combos (he's facing a cbet into 2 players with a shortstack behind who can reopen the action - he should be folding more than that but whatever). By the time the second 2 hits the turn we're talking about a vanishingly small number of trips combos in his range.

On the other hand he can have loads of random Jxo combos (probably like 50 pretty easily) we beat and what the hell are we going to do on various rivers anyway facing a 200 shove into like 500. Ship and feel good.