I was at the beach last week with a girl I was gaming, and a couple of girls she was acquainted with through her family happened by. Both 18 years old. As they were all gabbing about cars they wanted, one of them- a really cute girl- said that she was thinking about getting a car by becoming a sugar baby and mentioned a site called i think sugarbaby.com or something like that which she had obviously been looking at.

She said "And I've heard you don't even have to have sex with them for them to give you things!"

If this rather dumb 18 year old in a culturally backwater town has heard of this, it's definitely becoming part of female popular culture

(04-21-2013 12:55 PM)MrXY Wrote: If this rather dumb 18 year old in a culturally backwater town has heard of this, it's definitely becoming part of female popular culture

It is already part of female popular culture. It has been for thousands of years.

"Transactional" sex has been around forever. Most of the world already lives like this.

I know- that was kind of my unstated point-that these arrangements which haven't traditionally been an accepted part of American culture (though they existed underground at a low level) are now becoming much more open and socially acceptable as they always have been in most cultures.

I really think it's a sign of the long term structural economic decline of the US-people who aren't in the top tier are having to struggle a lot harder and this is a way for attractive women to get a leg up in improving their lifestyles. I think we're just seeing the beginning of this in the US; in the future "sponsorships" of young women by older men will be common and not viewed in a derogatory way

OK--great idea, so thanks, guys! Not such great initial results though--one chick wanted $500 dollars to meet me (uhh-no!) and another planned to meet me Friday but flaked. Still, my phone has been blowing up with contacts--I sense some real potential here. Any advice on screening (I do have a general sense but am sure there are smarter folks) most appreciated.

Soup wanted a breakdown of the 4 new pieces of trim last week so here it is.

For those that don't know, I'm 43.

Girl #1- Friday girl I mentioned earlier in the thread is a 24 y/o biotechnology student that lives 2 hours away from me. Our initial contact was on Thursday. Didn't have to give her the "hookers" line as she claimed she was looking more for a provider boyfriend. Texted a bit on Thursday and then more on Friday, intermittently into the early evening. Told her to send me a pic to put with her contacts in my phone, something I do a lot as it often unleashes a torrent of pics. Many nude. As things warmed up she sent me a pic of her inserting her dildo, telling me she wanted to meet. By this time it is 8PM and as mentioned, she is two hours away.

I say fuck it, let's meet as she's coming to me. Hence, low cost to me if it doesn't work out. And, when a broad is driving 2 hours, leaving after 9 PM, you know she's DTF. (As most are on SA anyway)

She rolls into the somewhat seedy lounge I like to hang out at about 1145PM and it's just standard get to know one another in person shit with some sexual innuendos sprinkled in here and there. Booked a room at the Hilton on my phone (hotels.com app I've mentioned) and left in a cab about 215AM. Note- I waited to book the room because I was considering just taking her to my place.

Get to hotel, check in, upgrade to jacuzzi suite and away we go. I actually went out on the balcony to smoke and while I did this she proceeded to strip down and get in the jacuzzi. Obviously no LMR with this girl.

She's a bit of a freak and at one point wanted to be fucked on the table, so obliged. Apparently there was no one in the next room as that table banging away on the wall would have woken the dead. She was pretty militant about condoms, but I did manage to slip it in raw for a while.

The next day is where things get a bit different. Usually I bang these girls out then disappear but this one I actually got along with pretty well so figured what the hell, we'll see where it goes. Spent the day with her doing a little shopping for the both of us. Bought some jeans, shirts and a suit jacket for myself and a nice little dress for her since she hadn't brought anything slinky along. I had plans for the evening.

Note about the above-These broads are not dumb. She didn't bring anything slinky for a reason. However, if we had not gotten along so well she would have been on her way home Saturday morning with nothing.

Back at the hotel we get in a quickie and then she goes for a swim while I shower up. Then she takes the next almost 2 hours getting ready. The pic of her laying on the bed a couple pages back was taken about midway through this ordeal.
Hotwheels is not a fan of laying around waiting for broads to get ready...

Once ready, her in 4 inch heels making her 6 foot tall, Hotwheels in suit jacket and jeans, it's down to the hotel lounge for some overpriced booze than a cab ride back to my fav lounge. A couple drinks there and then we are off to the strip club. (She's bi) Some typical strip club debauchery ensues, with the strippers getting after her, and her top off, to the amusement the male patrons.

At bar time we cab back to the hotel for another session of bury the bone, both passing out about 430AM.

Sunday morning brought some morning sex, then shower up, pack up and off to breakfast where we discussed things. An arrangement was never brought up, but the fact she was tired of broke douchebag losers sponging money off of her was. She headed for home about 1PM.

A few notes about this girl-While she never brought up an arrangement, she did occasionally bring up how her car was a piece of shit. I never acknowledged anything about her car other than her brother, a mechanic, should put a taillight in it. (She got pulled over on the way down Friday night. And yes, her car is a POS.)

We have continued contact and she did float the girlfriend thing at one point. I wouldn't mind a GF, and she claimed she wouldn't mind if I was with other women, but there have been a few things that did not come across as "right". Then she hit me up with the "my laptop just quit" gambit, lobbying for a new MacBook Air. I chuckled at this and blew that off, relegating her to an occasional fuck if things don't go further downhill.

This is the girl that was in contact with another SB I was working as they were hot for a threesome. Well, when I banged that girl out Wed night, she got a bit jealous. (Yeah, I told her. heh) Nothing too serious, but it was obvious.

Currently we text a bit but the distance and some of her sketchy actions relegate her to being an occasional fuck at best.

Some of these girls do want a BF, but the line blurs very quickly at times, so you have to watch out for that. This is the only one I have even considered it with and looking back on it, she's probably not a lot different than a lot of girls out there that hook up with a well off guy even away from the SA site. She hopes and wants that he can help her out when in a bad situation. This girl leaned too much, and too quickly, towards the SB side despite what she claimed.

Wow... That's a lot longer than I expected. The other three will be separate post (s).

(04-22-2013 07:54 PM)Hotwheels Wrote: Some of these girls do want a BF, but the line blurs very quickly at times, so you have to watch out for that. This is the only one I have even considered it with and looking back on it, she's probably not a lot different than a lot of girls out there that hook up with a well off guy even away from the SA site. She hopes and wants that he can help her out when in a bad situation. This girl leaned too much, and too quickly, towards the SB side despite what she claimed.

Sure. Let's be real.

If you're an older guy dating younger girls, what is the line?

I'm into more expensive shit than when younger. I do food and drink and trips I couldn't afford when 25.

So no 25 year old girl is going to be able to roll with me if I'm not paying.

If you take a bisexual girl with you to Vegas (so you have guaranteed sex set up), pay for the ticket and hotel and dinners, and go scouting for a threesome, does that make the relationship an arrangement?

Who cares?

For a website of full of men, it seems many get caught up in thinking, "Does she like me for me?"

Unless marriage and kids are on the tale, who cares if she even likes you?

If you take out a girl 24 or younger, prove that you have a roof over your head, can afford a restaurant with $15 mains so forth. she will be blown away! It made me remind myself that once upon a time having $100 in my pocket was surreal like I was Rockefeller. SA allows a player to link with girls currently in this mindset. I give the illusion that crazy times await in the future (trips and so forth) so that they would never think of bringing up $$ as that would only be selling themselves short..

Make them buy the dream basically

Disclaimer I have gone on real trips with SAs when I wanted a companion; haven't regretted any

This one is shorter and pretty straightforward and normal SA game for me.

I had been texting with this girl, 22 with a kid, separated, since around Wed. Pretty standard text and banter game but did have to drop the "hooker" line on this one. Didn't text too much with her over weekend as was busy with #1 but fired it back up a bit on Sunday while simultaneously texting with puke girl, detailed earlier in the thread.

This girl lives in the town I would be working in Monday, so she started warming up when I told her I would be there the following day, and a couple days after. We ended up setting up a meet at a nearby pizza place, small towns don't always have nice places to go, and while setting this up I found out her preference for wine.

I grabbed a bottle of wine and stashed it in the fridge in the room and went off to the meet. She was dressed in a skirt and heels, as requested, telling me she is looking to please.

Telling them what to wear is something I almost always do and they almost always follow direction. It's a good compliance test and let's them know I have expectations.

I'm not there for them. They are there for me and they understand this if you control the situation.

Meet went ok, she was babbling a bit and laughing self consciously so she was a bit nervous, and I told her we should try the Reisling I had back at the hotel. Her eyes lit up at this as I had not told her previously that I had picked it up.

Hotel room, wine, smash, out the door headed home to kiddo around 10PM.

Total cost- Around 50 bux not including hotel as I was already staying there anyway.

Haven't kept in contact with this one. Was a good smash and grab but not really interested in keeping up convo with her as she's a bit ditzy.

Had my first screener date with a 22 yd blond 8 tonight. She sent me a topless photo prior to meeting up. Bought her a drink, we made out a bit as I walked her to the subway. She texted me on her way home saying she had a good time and hopes we hang out again. I think she just wants a guy who's not a loser. This shit is gold.

This one will probably be another long one and it's dynamic is a bit different from the others as #1 and #3 had been talking a bit since Sat afternoon, looking to set up a threesome. I had initially contacted #3 a day or two before #1 and had some conversation before they started planning.

This girl had actually sent me a wink several months ago during a period I had let my SA account lapse. After I signed back up I didn't do anything with it as she hadn't been online for quite some time, and she lives about 2.5 hours away from my home base. Since I was going to be working about an hour away from her location, I decided to drop her a message and see if she was still around. Turns out she was and responded pretty quickly.

She had been signed up to SA for about a year but claimed she had not met anyone from the site. From conversation with her I actually kind of believe this as she related some of the fucked up requests she had received and she almost immediately hit me up for what the arrangement would be. She got slammed down hard with the "transactional/hooker" lines and quickly apologized, saying she had never actually done this before. Over time her actions reinforced this.

While she had been initially enthusiastic about messaging one another, she became a bit hesitant when it came to discussing actually meeting. Apparently, she had been attacked by a guy at some outdoor concert and this had her nervous to meet someone from the site. Since it was several days before I would be in her area I didn't push it too hard but kept in contact.

While I was waiting for #1 to arrive after her 2 hour drive we traded a few texts testing her sexual limits/desires. This is where I tossed out the question that really got the ball rolling. It can be seen here; http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-6078-p...#pid421222 (note the no restraining and no anal at the very top. Yeah, she was already down)

From this point on it was only a matter of time. Especially after they started talking as #1 calmed her fears of meeting me.

Initially we were to meet in the same town I got #2 but work plans changed and I actually ended up in her town for three days which made things easier at first and may have led to the downfall of the whole thing. I set up my hotel, a nice 3.5 star according to hotwire.com, that has a bar in it. ( I use this site a LOT. Saves a ton of money. For instance I'm currently staying at a Ramada for 42/night)

She rolls in right on time and I will admit my jaw about dropped. I knew she had a healthy rack, previous pics, but holy bejeezus. Every guys head rotated as she walked by. Kinda comical actually. We start with the fluff talk, and then #1 starts texting having apparently forgotten that I had told her the night before that #3 and I were hooking up. (She had texted #3 shortly after she arrived and 3 told her we were on a date.) Minor jealousy outbreak, and low and behold she wanted to call then, but things were quickly smoothed over.

Had about 3, maybe 4, drinks apiece then grabbed a bottle of wine and headed for the room and ordered a pizza. Who says you need to do expensive dates? hah Quick make out and she was good to go except for waiting for the za to show up.

After chowing down a bit she said she had to make a call and would be right back. I knew she wasn't leaving as she didn't put her shoes back on as she stepped out in the hall briefly. Turned out her BF had called 2 hours previous and she just then called him back. Scandalous broads! Once back in room it was game on and she lived up to the claim of being a megasquirter. Ripped the condom off and plowed that gusher until I pulled out and let out a wargasm as I blew all over her back. The next room over wasn't to pleased judging by the bangs on the wall...

Pretty much destroyed one bed so it was a good thing I got one with two.

She stayed the night while I got up for work at 6AM, ran some errands, and then came back that afternoon. I'd never done more than a one nighter with an SA girl before #1 and now here I was doing another. This girl was pretty sweet as well and I must admit the natural 34DD's kept my attention level high.

We went out Texas Roadhouse as I was hungry for steak and on the way there she related to me how she had run into a friend. She had told this friend that she couldn't make her birthday party as she was going to be out of town. Well, getting caught in that fib would play into later events as we shall see.

Back to the hotel and I'm hitting it raw again. After a bit I take a break to hit the bathroom and during this time she checks her phone. Apparently her BF had texted while we were 20 toes to jesus and this combined with running into the friend she had fibbed to earlier was too much for her. She actually broke down crying, apologizing for not being able to lie to her friends and family, for having to end things after I had spent money on her. Remember, this is the same girl that wanted to know the arrangement right off the bat and she felt bad that I had bought her dinner.

So, with that, the threesome went tits up. It wasn't all bad though. Awesome tits and a vulva like a veal cutlet made this one a winner.

Amazing stories, Hotwheels. Thanks for the detailed write-up! You might have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I don't remember reading it... are these girls from smaller towns or larger cities?

(04-23-2013 02:03 AM)Pacific Wrote: Amazing stories, Hotwheels. Thanks for the detailed write-up! You might have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I don't remember reading it... are these girls from smaller towns or larger cities?

Going by the usual criteria guys use around here they would be from villages.

#1 is from a city of about 30,000, #2 50,000, #3 and #4 100,000

I've had a lot of interest from broads in Milwaukee but my itinerary hasn't really lined up for them yet.

If/when I get to Chicago it will be a veritable fuckfest.

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There isn't much to write up on this one. She hit me up and wanted some dick. No game required, just some minor fluff.

Met her at the hotel bar and she looked decent but a bit thick. Told me straight off that she wasn't 32 but 38. Pretty face though so what the hell, I wanted 4 for the week and it doesn't get any easier than this one.

Had one drink then headed for the room as she had a tight timeframe. No resistance at all as apparently the old man doesn't fuck her anymore and she was horny as hell.

Gave me a blower, a good one, and then I made her come a couple times.

I wasn't really into it after banging the young nubile broads so didn't even finish. Fortunately she had to go so this was a typical married woman deal. Suck and fuck and out the door with no drama.

Do you think girls from bigger cities will be harder to impress though?
For example, wearing a suit might be enough to make you seem like a super rich person in a small village, but it would be just ordinary in a large city.

(04-23-2013 02:28 AM)Hotwheels Wrote: Going by the usual criteria guys use around here they would be from villages.

#1 is from a city of about 30,000, #2 50,000, #3 and #4 100,000

I've had a lot of interest from broads in Milwaukee but my itinerary hasn't really lined up for them yet.

(04-22-2013 07:54 PM)Hotwheels Wrote: Soup wanted a breakdown of the 4 new pieces of trim last week so here it is.

For those that don't know, I'm 43.

Girl #1- Friday girl I mentioned earlier in the thread is a 24 y/o biotechnology student that lives 2 hours away from me. Our initial contact was on Thursday. Didn't have to give her the "hookers" line as she claimed she was looking more for a provider boyfriend. Texted a bit on Thursday and then more on Friday, intermittently into the early evening. Told her to send me a pic to put with her contacts in my phone, something I do a lot as it often unleashes a torrent of pics. Many nude. As things warmed up she sent me a pic of her inserting her dildo, telling me she wanted to meet. By this time it is 8PM and as mentioned, she is two hours away.

I say fuck it, let's meet as she's coming to me. Hence, low cost to me if it doesn't work out. And, when a broad is driving 2 hours, leaving after 9 PM, you know she's DTF. (As most are on SA anyway)

She rolls into the somewhat seedy lounge I like to hang out at about 1145PM and it's just standard get to know one another in person shit with some sexual innuendos sprinkled in here and there. Booked a room at the Hilton on my phone (hotels.com app I've mentioned) and left in a cab about 215AM. Note- I waited to book the room because I was considering just taking her to my place.

Get to hotel, check in, upgrade to jacuzzi suite and away we go. I actually went out on the balcony to smoke and while I did this she proceeded to strip down and get in the jacuzzi. Obviously no LMR with this girl.

She's a bit of a freak and at one point wanted to be fucked on the table, so obliged. Apparently there was no one in the next room as that table banging away on the wall would have woken the dead. She was pretty militant about condoms, but I did manage to slip it in raw for a while.

The next day is where things get a bit different. Usually I bang these girls out then disappear but this one I actually got along with pretty well so figured what the hell, we'll see where it goes. Spent the day with her doing a little shopping for the both of us. Bought some jeans, shirts and a suit jacket for myself and a nice little dress for her since she hadn't brought anything slinky along. I had plans for the evening.

Note about the above-These broads are not dumb. She didn't bring anything slinky for a reason. However, if we had not gotten along so well she would have been on her way home Saturday morning with nothing.

Back at the hotel we get in a quickie and then she goes for a swim while I shower up. Then she takes the next almost 2 hours getting ready. The pic of her laying on the bed a couple pages back was taken about midway through this ordeal.
Hotwheels is not a fan of laying around waiting for broads to get ready...

Once ready, her in 4 inch heels making her 6 foot tall, Hotwheels in suit jacket and jeans, it's down to the hotel lounge for some overpriced booze than a cab ride back to my fav lounge. A couple drinks there and then we are off to the strip club. (She's bi) Some typical strip club debauchery ensues, with the strippers getting after her, and her top off, to the amusement the male patrons.

At bar time we cab back to the hotel for another session of bury the bone, both passing out about 430AM.

Sunday morning brought some morning sex, then shower up, pack up and off to breakfast where we discussed things. An arrangement was never brought up, but the fact she was tired of broke douchebag losers sponging money off of her was. She headed for home about 1PM.

A few notes about this girl-While she never brought up an arrangement, she did occasionally bring up how her car was a piece of shit. I never acknowledged anything about her car other than her brother, a mechanic, should put a taillight in it. (She got pulled over on the way down Friday night. And yes, her car is a POS.)

We have continued contact and she did float the girlfriend thing at one point. I wouldn't mind a GF, and she claimed she wouldn't mind if I was with other women, but there have been a few things that did not come across as "right". Then she hit me up with the "my laptop just quit" gambit, lobbying for a new MacBook Air. I chuckled at this and blew that off, relegating her to an occasional fuck if things don't go further downhill.

This is the girl that was in contact with another SB I was working as they were hot for a threesome. Well, when I banged that girl out Wed night, she got a bit jealous. (Yeah, I told her. heh) Nothing too serious, but it was obvious.

Currently we text a bit but the distance and some of her sketchy actions relegate her to being an occasional fuck at best.

Some of these girls do want a BF, but the line blurs very quickly at times, so you have to watch out for that. This is the only one I have even considered it with and looking back on it, she's probably not a lot different than a lot of girls out there that hook up with a well off guy even away from the SA site. She hopes and wants that he can help her out when in a bad situation. This girl leaned too much, and too quickly, towards the SB side despite what she claimed.

Wow... That's a lot longer than I expected. The other three will be separate post (s).

(04-22-2013 09:31 PM)bigxxx Wrote: If you take out a girl 24 or younger, prove that you have a roof over your head, can afford a restaurant with $15 mains so forth. she will be blown away! It made me remind myself that once upon a time having $100 in my pocket was surreal like I was Rockefeller. SA allows a player to link with girls currently in this mindset. I give the illusion that crazy times await in the future (trips and so forth) so that they would never think of bringing up $$ as that would only be selling themselves short..

Yeah.

Hell, for those of us without trust funds who worked our way through college, think about how tight money was.

In college, going to dinner at Outback and having a $25 tab with my best friend was a "nice dinner out."

Young girls are fucking broke and a lot of guys are overestimating what it costs to be a "sugar daddy."

Dinner dates, an occasionally concert or show...lots of girls are blown away if you take them to MOMA and that's only $20 or so.

I told my SF peeps to join SF MOMA. It was like $100 a year and you could skip the line. (There was usually a long line out front.)

Skip the line and get your passes and see if a 20 year old isn't blown away.

Just like young girls have no real way of telling how old we are, most don't know how much things cost. It's the older women who know to look for fine lines and wrinkles and to see if we are coloring are hair and it's they who know the cost of things.

(04-16-2013 09:51 AM)Menace Wrote: I signed up for a dummy account too for the lulz. I was actually disappointed with the quality of the girls in the DC area...I mean they are not that much better than on a dating site. Some of these girls...I mean bitch please, you need to be paying ME to be seen with you.

Same for me. It's 90% black chicks being like "#1 bitch here you better be ready to spoil" and she's like a 4/10. Typical for Atlanta online dating.

In principle, the site really is depressing as fuck though. Is this the future?

"...it's the quiet cool...it's for someone who's been through the struggle and come out on the other side smelling like money and pussy."