Comments on: Sacre bleu! More Montreal-Sharks trade rumorshttp://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/
Curtis Pashelka on the San Jose SharksFri, 09 Dec 2016 15:57:00 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.3By: jenn air gas grillhttp://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/comment-page-2/#comment-199513
Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:19:43 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-199513You will find easier to want a property or even dwelling and also arrange it with ease for both next to name additionally for an extended
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Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:23:39 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1130“What you’re doing is akin to looking at David Ortiz’s at-bats from the 2007 all-star break through the end of the regular season, when he was struggling at the plate for a variety of reasons, and deciding on that basis that he sucks and needs to be traded.”

I love this quote, since I’m a lifelong fan of both teams…comparing Marleau to Otiz is a total and complete joke, right? One guy is in the top 10 all time clutch performers of his sport, and the other guy hasn’t done jack his entire career when in the clutch. You can crow all you want about stats for both guys, but Ortiz is a winner when the game is on the line, and he’s got the rings to prove it. And, he’s had to overcome a ton of obstacles in his career to get where he is, unlike Marleau, who’s been coddled by the organization since they made him the youngest player in the league his first year. We’ve been apologizing for the guy ever since.

All the kvetching about Marleau reminds me of when we were considering moving Rathje. Remember that guy? Yeah, right, I thought so. If I’m Wilson, I’d trade Marleau straight up for Koivu…the only consideration is: does Koivu have any mileage left, or has he already left everything on the ice. One thing is for sure–Montreal won’t have to worry about the same thing with Marleau, since he’s been coasting most of his career here. We can’t win the cup with this guy…and, Marleau will be a huge bust in Montreal (or any other real team) when the coddling ends and he has to perform up to expectations without all the excuses and fawning.

Re: #58: Meanwhile, take note of the what the Montrealers are saying in this thread. These people — who actually know something about hockey, unlike most of the commenters here —

Can we assume that you personally know each and every Montrealer that you speak of, or are you related to Uri Geller?

It’s nice to see someone who loves to trick people into thinking he knows every stat ever printed, and infers constantly that anyone who doesn’t base their argument on facts alone, can just throw his own standards out the window when it’s convenient.

Yeah. Sure. You know for a fact that the Montealers are more knowledgeable. They might be. Operative word being ‘might’. Not a statement of fact Mrs. Marleau.

Look up this fact in a dictionary…”hypocrite”.

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Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:39:01 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1039Does the 95th post make this a record for this board?
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Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:08:51 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1129Hey man the stats don’t lie, and by the way, most relevant sports authority’s look at intangibles to determine worth, not just bold faced stats. I was just picking up what you started with your eighty point 6 million dollar player, not a 50 point player that we have been watching for nearly a year. Fifty point players have a lot of worth with those other apparently useless traits you disregard. Point in fact is that this arguement is illrevelent with Marleau recently playing with all those minor elements added to his game. Even though his current pace is still 50 points. So BLAAAAHHHHHHH to you.

Just because someone doesn’t quote stats does not mean they do not have a valid point or argument. I and the people who believe from watching your son over the years, that since he first stepped on the ice as a Shark, has not lived up to his potential in our collective view, do not intend to be mean spirited. On the contrary, we love the man, but simply don’t believe that he plays every game to his full potential. I realize that this is something that hurts you, but in the “big picture” of his entire career he has consistently shown us this trait. We are sorry. We truly wish it was not the case.

Now, even though this is not a true “stat”, and you will probably follow your track record of dismissing this argument out of hand since there is no true statistical basis referenced, it is true nonetheless. Again, we are sorry.

Sincerely,
Sharks fans hanging out with the self-discrediting Ozzie Guillen (World Series ring wearer) and some village idiots

Enjoying simian grunting, drooling on our shoes, and dropping diarrhea into a bucket)———are you serious?

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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:42:00 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1127All this trade talk has brought the best out of Patty. He looks faster (if that’s even possible), playing great defense, finishing checks and putting shots on goal. Just like the Patty of old. I’ve been a Sharks season ticket holder from the beginning of the organization and I’ve the seen the best and the worst from the Captain. To lose him would be a negative to this team. If anything, trade Rivet back to Montreal!
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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:58:25 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1126..in the words of Ozzie Guillen, “puhleeze”……you make Spotted Owl Gore – the guy that takes 10,000 scientific stats and cherry picks the 12 that supports his view then claims ‘there is a consensus’ and therefore the ‘debate is over’ – sound like Abe Lincoln.

It’s tempting to simply note that anybody quoting Ozzie Guillen about anything has self-discredited, and leave it at that. But feel free to point out where I’ve “cherry-picked” anything, genius, considering that my argument here is essentially a “big picture” one.

Note to BC: this will probably come as a shock, but there are people here with functioning grey matter between their ears.

It is a shock, because very few of the people here have demonstrated any such thing. There’s a lot of simian grunting, cliche-riddled groupthink, and verbal diarrhea, but not much to convince me that many of the regulars would be capable of filling in for the regular village idiot while he was busy drooling on his shoes.

In other words, you are not assessing a player’s performance by any objective and rational metrics, but rather by arbitrary and subjective criteria you pulled out of the filthy heat of your own hind end, and are therefore not worth listening to.

In his last 64 games including playoffs, he has 13 goals, 25 helpers and a -9 +/-.

Wow, and people accuse me of cherry-picking?

This is the epitome of a small sample size. You’re basing an assessment of a player’s overall value on the basis of less than a full season of data, including periods of time when his entire team was not playing well. Only by limiting your assessment to that 64 game span that you can arrive at the conclusion that Marleau’s garbage, because if you expand your assessment beyond that, to a more complete picture of his career, the 64 games in question look increasingly like an aberration.

What you’re doing is akin to looking at David Ortiz’s at-bats from the 2007 all-star break through the end of the regular season, when he was struggling at the plate for a variety of reasons, and deciding on that basis that he sucks and needs to be traded. If this was the only data available on Big Papi, then possibly that would be a defensible argument. But that’s not the only data. The big picture, of which that data is only a small part, is that Ortiz is a fearsome hitter who went through a half-season-long rough patch. And anybody claiming that he sucks and that the Red Sox should trade him is a first-rate buffoon who should be working a job where he wears a paper hat rather than holding forth about baseball.

Bottom line is that maybe you need to do your homework before you call me or anyone else a rectal anything on this blog when clearly you are speaking from that general area.

Keep telling yourself that.

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Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:26:36 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2007/12/12/sacre-bleu-more-montreal-sharks-trade-rumors/#comment-1124#78 Dick,
Spot on my man. Just what I would have said.

To Patrick Marleau’s mom…er BC:

..in the words of Ozzie Guillen, “puhleeze”……you make Spotted Owl Gore – the guy that takes 10,000 scientific stats and cherry picks the 12 that supports his view then claims ‘there is a consensus’ and therefore the ‘debate is over’ – sound like Abe Lincoln. Note to BC: this will probably come as a shock, but there are people here with functioning grey matter between their ears. Comprende vous?

To Mr. Pollack: Just a big thank you. Thanks also for your old fashioned j-school principles by couching your opening comments here with the ‘notice’ that this is rumor, not triple-sourced confirmed fact. Very refreshing. But bad for job longevity in this tabloid era…especially with the Smerc’s editors. Ask the Cobra.