The Satanic Current

Anyone explored this in depth to see what is 'under' it? Getting more and more interested in this current that exists, and I find it very fascinating. The tempting and so forth is boring but there's alot of work to be done while using this current for the evolution of the soul.

They aren't just nasty mean things with masks and tits. That would be too human.

Edited by omera, 11 March 2014 - 04:17 PM.

Spide"Cadius the Swift was only a slave, but under the wing of the emperor he was given the highest treatment a slave of messaging could acquire. He descended down the spiraled staircase of that dungeonesque castle and nodded to the guards as he was allowed out. He passed out of the Court of the Black Senate and beyond the defending walls surrounding the tower. The massive structure's only gate groaned wide open, a yawning maw announcing the departure of a traveler from the keep. Necessarily, the gate -was- a maw. As Cadius lightfootedly passed down the main street of Roma Diabolus, he got one glorious look at the daemonic head of Plutonicus glaring out idealistically toward the city's main gate and the vast expanse of an infernally twisted market screamed and yelled about its products before Main Street jutted the black cobblestone tongue of that monstrous symbol into the womb of the world."

Spide"Cadius the Swift was only a slave, but under the wing of the emperor he was given the highest treatment a slave of messaging could acquire. He descended down the spiraled staircase of that dungeonesque castle and nodded to the guards as he was allowed out. He passed out of the Court of the Black Senate and beyond the defending walls surrounding the tower. The massive structure's only gate groaned wide open, a yawning maw announcing the departure of a traveler from the keep. Necessarily, the gate -was- a maw. As Cadius lightfootedly passed down the main street of Roma Diabolus, he got one glorious look at the daemonic head of Plutonicus glaring out idealistically toward the city's main gate and the vast expanse of an infernally twisted market screamed and yelled about its products before Main Street jutted the black cobblestone tongue of that monstrous symbol into the womb of the world."

Anyone explored this in depth to see what is 'under' it? Getting more and more interested in this current that exists, and I find it very fascinating. The tempting and so forth is boring but there's alot of work to be done while using this current for the evolution of the soul.

What do you mean by Satanic Current? The theistic satanist movement and the various solitary devil worshipers spread out in the forests of the land of thousand lakes? Their magicks are powerful but...those guys are lunatics. All of them are driven by hate towards all existence, except the followers of Nefastos, who equate hating all existence to loving all people. It's hard to say whether these people became like that because they chose to seek the Devil, or because their own pain made them to lash out at the world. But pained they are and their "spirituality" often seems to be the result of that suffering. They are serious and grim people, who find enjoyment in the aesthetics of totalitarianism, genocide, violence and the total annihilation of human race. On top of that, they are often extremely strict and conservative, condemning the freedoms of this age to be nothing more than decadence and a sign of the downfall of civilization. And of course, they sometimes evolve to become national socialists.

Jumping in to that train might help you to process through your hate towards humans, if you have any. And it might help you to build up your willpower to titanic heights(By dedicating your WHOLE life to doing the Devil's will upon earth). But none of it works if you don't do it sincerely. And in any case, I seriously would advice against it.

And to your original question: Beneath the current is the Devil. The entity known as Lucifer or Satan, the being that satanists believe to be first among the created and the only perfect image of deus absconditus. I would strongly caution you to seek enlightenment from somewhere else, for although the monarch of Hell does indeed deal in brightest of lights, his prices are always counted in empyrean heights.

What do you mean by Satanic Current? The theistic satanist movement and the various solitary devil worshipers spread out in the forests of the land of thousand lakes? Their magicks are powerful but...those guys are lunatics. All of them are driven by hate towards all existence, except the followers of Nefastos, who equate hating all existence to loving all people. It's hard to say whether these people became like that because they chose to seek the Devil, or because their own pain made them to lash out at the world. But pained they are and their "spirituality" often seems to be the result of that suffering. They are serious and grim people, who find enjoyment in the aesthetics of totalitarianism, genocide, violence and the total annihilation of human race. On top of that, they are often extremely strict and conservative, condemning the freedoms of this age to be nothing more than decadence and a sign of the downfall of civilization. And of course, they sometimes evolve to become national socialists.

Jumping in to that train might help you to process through your hate towards humans, if you have any. And it might help you to build up your willpower to titanic heights(By dedicating your WHOLE life to doing the Devil's will upon earth). But none of it works if you don't do it sincerely. And in any case, I seriously would advice against it.

There's a dark current that I like to call the satanic current, but it might be the interplay between Matter and Spirit that causes it. Matter being more like to the satanic current that I described.

Our conception of what is a current seems to be bit different. What I understand with the word is a dynamic web of meanings and psychic presences, of both living people and spirits, which exists in it's pure form in archetypal, spiritual and astral realms and manifests in material reality in what humans commonly call (counter, sub, mainstream)culture or social movement. And that's what I described in my earlier post, the actual Satanic current as it's present in our age.

What do you exactly mean by this "Matter being more like to the satanic current that I described". And for the sake of clarity, we could also discuss this in our native language.

Satan refers to a Judeo-Christian being of evil who stands in opposition to G-d. Unless you are operating from a J/C standpoint it really doesn't mean anything.

Being non-dualist, I see all things as proceeding from one Source. So, LHP or RHP are really meaningless terms. It is all just The Path.

Peace out.

Do you believe that spirit beings/entities exist only in our macrocosm, that is to say, that they don't have any kind of independent existence outside our personal opinions?

I too am non-dualist, but it doesn't change the fact that gods and other incorporeal beings have, in my personal experience, existence completely outside of our opinion, although our opinions and beliefs about them do affect them to some degree. It's true that they might come from the same source, the One, and thus might all lead back to that source, but the paths they present to that source are infinite and infinitely diverse. And some of those paths go through very literal darkness, which is so deep and black and hopeless, that it's very much like playing dice with the Devil and having your soul at the stake.

As Lon Milo DuQuette has stated, "All magick is within your head; you just have no idea how big your head is."

This is not to say that these entities have no 'objective' existence - we participate in the creation of the world around us. Our beliefs and basic assumptions of the universe are reflected in what we 'see' and 'feel' and 'hear.' For instance, those who believe in 'spiritual entitles' are able to see them, converse with them, interact with them; while those who do not believe think that the whole subject is absurd.

As for a Devil that is opposed to G-d and is somehow co-equal with G-d, that is dualism. However, since all things proceed from the Source (even the devils and demons experienced by those of us who work magick) there really isn't a definite distinction. As stated earlier, the Kabbalists call these entities (and their realm) "the other side" (sitra achra), meaning the "other side" of the ONE.

I have had experiences with such entities and they seemed, in every sense, to be 'objective,' i.e., they seemed to have concrete existence outside of my 'mind.' However, since the only way in which I can know anything is with my mind, I can't really say that they are 'real' in an ontological sense.

For all I care, we can agree to disagree in metaphysical questions as to the objective existence of these beings. What I was originally bringing to light was, however, that communion with certain entities, for example the Devil, has certain consequences and certain reasons behind it, regardless of what you might think about the Devil. And because I have personally experienced and witnessed in others both the reasons and the consequences, I can't recommend entering what I understand as the Satanic Current, as it has certain inherent risks which far outweigh any possible gains, especially because the current in itself is such that it destroys those who are not sincere in their devotion to the "dark side". And you can be sincere to such ideals only if you're haunted to the breaking point by the darkness of existence or because you've already lost your soul.

It's very irrelevant whether the darkness is within us or outside of us. It still makes those who choose to dance with it alike it. And while some, the most strongest of those don't become demons, many do. I know that the lure of hellfire is enticing, but having seen it from within, I know that it bears no fruits that would not be found from more benevolent places.

For all I care, we can agree to disagree in metaphysical questions as to the objective existence of these beings. What I was originally bringing to light was, however, that communion with certain entities, for example the Devil, has certain consequences and certain reasons behind it, regardless of what you might think about the Devil. And because I have personally experienced and witnessed in others both the reasons and the consequences, I can't recommend entering what I understand as the Satanic Current, as it has certain inherent risks which far outweigh any possible gains, especially because the current in itself is such that it destroys those who are not sincere in their devotion to the "dark side". And you can be sincere to such ideals only if you're haunted to the breaking point by the darkness of existence or because you've already lost your soul.

It's very irrelevant whether the darkness is within us or outside of us. It still makes those who choose to dance with it alike it. And while some, the most strongest of those don't become demons, many do. I know that the lure of hellfire is enticing, but having seen it from within, I know that it bears no fruits that would not be found from more benevolent places.

I completely agree. Working with the sitra achra is dangerous in the extreme. The ancient Kabbalists warned against anyone attempting to delve into "the other side." However, they also were extremely cautionary to anyone who felt the call to walk the Path. Magick is dangerous, and anyone who undertakes its study should be prepared for many trials, tests, and even troublesome adversity.

WIth all due respect to anyone who chooses to call him/herslf a Satanist, I believe they have chosen an extremely difficult Path. One that is, indeed, more treacherous than most. It is similar, in my mind, to someone who in learning about the Kabbalah (Qabalah, Cabala) for the first time immediately heads for the "deep end of the pool" and plunges themselves into Daath (the Abyss). It seems illogical, at least to me.

I have a tendency to "over-explain" thngs, sometimes (just ask my wife!), so I apologize if I have done that again.