Covenant? - Atheist Nexus2016-12-09T15:20:30Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/2182797:Topic:25316?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A606703&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowhen I was being raised I rem…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-11-18:2182797:Comment:6067032009-11-18T15:19:48.796ZTimo Ostranderhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TimoOstrander
when I was being raised I remember asking the same questions. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it actually decreases a baby's chance of getting urinary tract infections. Does anyone know whether that's actually true or not? (Time to hit Google). Not that that would have anything to do with getting closer to god, of course.<br />
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I would assume that it's considered socially acceptable for men to get circumcised because men are seen as being in the dominant position socially and therefore it…
when I was being raised I remember asking the same questions. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it actually decreases a baby's chance of getting urinary tract infections. Does anyone know whether that's actually true or not? (Time to hit Google). Not that that would have anything to do with getting closer to god, of course.<br />
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I would assume that it's considered socially acceptable for men to get circumcised because men are seen as being in the dominant position socially and therefore it seems less like oppression or mutilation and more like something funny to laugh at in Robin Hood: Men in Tights. Of course, that makes little sense, but how much sense does believing in god make? i was circumcized as a baby,…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-26:2182797:Comment:4344102009-07-26T23:13:08.463ZDroboshskihttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Droboshski
i was circumcized as a baby, ( also baptized) and when we had our son, my wife left the decision totally up to me wheather or not to do it to my son. it was probaly one of the most gut wrenching desicions i've ever had to make. i fretted over it for days untill it was time for the to either do it or not so we could leave the hospital. and i decided to have it done. basiclly i figured he'd look like me and most other guys, and hopefully when it comes time for him to be sexually active girls wont…
i was circumcized as a baby, ( also baptized) and when we had our son, my wife left the decision totally up to me wheather or not to do it to my son. it was probaly one of the most gut wrenching desicions i've ever had to make. i fretted over it for days untill it was time for the to either do it or not so we could leave the hospital. and i decided to have it done. basiclly i figured he'd look like me and most other guys, and hopefully when it comes time for him to be sexually active girls wont think its strange (if they do or not i wouldn't know). but it turned my stomach to make that decision and for a while afterwards kind of regreted it. seeing it while it healed and having to clean it and stuff, really screwed with my head., i'm not sure what i would do if i had to make that decision again. The only way that it makes se…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-25:2182797:Comment:4333512009-07-25T22:54:36.877ZJared Lardohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JaredLardo
The only way that it makes sense is this:<br />
-Circumcision fills in the space of any arbitrary "do this to signify your covenant" variable. The border between those with the covenant and without it defines the ingroup and outgroup.<br />
-Zealots who only saw certain parts of the initial and final states figured that they could bring about the end-state for each male of being devoted to Mr. Yahweh by circumcising <i>them</i>. The earlier the better, as they won't be able to resent you for cutting off a…
The only way that it makes sense is this:<br />
-Circumcision fills in the space of any arbitrary "do this to signify your covenant" variable. The border between those with the covenant and without it defines the ingroup and outgroup.<br />
-Zealots who only saw certain parts of the initial and final states figured that they could bring about the end-state for each male of being devoted to Mr. Yahweh by circumcising <i>them</i>. The earlier the better, as they won't be able to resent you for cutting off a sensitive part of their body and it will be more a part of their identity, strengthening the group border.<br />
-Making the group border signifier a sexual one would help keep the group border not only memetic but genetic as well<br />
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...um I lost my train of thought. The vast majority of circumci…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-25:2182797:Comment:4329512009-07-25T15:51:17.431ZDaniel Wachenheimhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Daniel57
The vast majority of circumcision in Western countries will die off, if the health plans and government stop paying for it. That will still leave the cultural circumcisers, but their practices will become stigmatized as the appearance of the rest of the males returns to the normal state. Just as some of the social pressure now is to 'look like' their peers in the shower room (what a stupid argument, anyway), that will turn the other direction as there are fewer and fewer boys whose foreskins…
The vast majority of circumcision in Western countries will die off, if the health plans and government stop paying for it. That will still leave the cultural circumcisers, but their practices will become stigmatized as the appearance of the rest of the males returns to the normal state. Just as some of the social pressure now is to 'look like' their peers in the shower room (what a stupid argument, anyway), that will turn the other direction as there are fewer and fewer boys whose foreskins are removed.<br />
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Like others, I think that the procedure should not be supported in any way by the government and insurance companies. Im not convinced that it is 'mutilation', but I do think that it causes more harm than good, takes away something from the whole person, and it should be considered a form of abuse. I am glad I was circumcised,…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-25:2182797:Comment:4325592009-07-25T03:03:33.599ZWilliam Elyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/WilliamEly
I am glad I was circumcised, but for pure aesthetic reasons. How anyone could find religious significance in such a thing is beyond me.
I am glad I was circumcised, but for pure aesthetic reasons. How anyone could find religious significance in such a thing is beyond me. thanks Dr. Kellog. He advocat…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-24:2182797:Comment:4319762009-07-24T18:13:23.824ZJemandhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/SereresJohnston
thanks Dr. Kellog. He advocated an extremely tight cut and if the boy still masturbated taking off some additional skin. Also advocated a drop of acid on the clitoris. Certainly glad that didn't catch on, but such a shame circumcision did. Thankfully-- the numbers are going down.
thanks Dr. Kellog. He advocated an extremely tight cut and if the boy still masturbated taking off some additional skin. Also advocated a drop of acid on the clitoris. Certainly glad that didn't catch on, but such a shame circumcision did. Thankfully-- the numbers are going down. see... I don't quite get this…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-24:2182797:Comment:4319692009-07-24T18:10:10.662ZJemandhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/SereresJohnston
see... I don't quite get this... homo erectus didn't have showers either and somehow I don't imagine them chopping pits off the penis...
see... I don't quite get this... homo erectus didn't have showers either and somehow I don't imagine them chopping pits off the penis... "Does this guy even know how…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-24:2182797:Comment:4315212009-07-24T09:53:14.022ZTarquin St John Sh'gn'styhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GlenDonnellan
"Does this guy even know how MD's get to the prostate? "<br />
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An 'older man' I have have the same condition as Dame Edna's late husband Norm: a rumbling prostate. It needs to be checked manually. When it flares up,it's treated with a broad spectrum placebo.<br />
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My mother claims that when I was a few days old, the nurse ANNOUNCED "we're going to circumcise baby today", and they bloody well did. I don't remember really,but from what I've gathered, I was not happy. To be fair,I've always liked the…
"Does this guy even know how MD's get to the prostate? "<br />
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An 'older man' I have have the same condition as Dame Edna's late husband Norm: a rumbling prostate. It needs to be checked manually. When it flares up,it's treated with a broad spectrum placebo.<br />
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My mother claims that when I was a few days old, the nurse ANNOUNCED "we're going to circumcise baby today", and they bloody well did. I don't remember really,but from what I've gathered, I was not happy. To be fair,I've always liked the streamlined look of my willy,which I guess is just as well.<br />
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I believe there was possibly some justification for circumcising male children of a bunch of nomadic bronze age goat herders who didn't bathe.I'm assuming they wanted to keep the numbers of male offspring low, as more than few would have died from sepsis. In a post industrial urban society ,circumcision is much harder to justify. I'm appalled that modern city dwelling Jews are still permitted to mutilate their little boys on religious grounds. I heard that it became popula…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-24:2182797:Comment:4312492009-07-24T03:38:24.526ZCreaturehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/HeatherMorrison
I heard that it became popular in more recent times partially as a means to prevent boys from <a>masturbating</a>. I guess you can see how well that works. :)<br />
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I think all of the rumors of various health problems and the fact that "everyone's doing it" maintains its popularity. Personally, I always thought <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer">if its not broke don't fix it.</a> If someone really wants a circumcision they can do so once they're old enough to consent.
I heard that it became popular in more recent times partially as a means to prevent boys from <a>masturbating</a>. I guess you can see how well that works. :)<br />
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I think all of the rumors of various health problems and the fact that "everyone's doing it" maintains its popularity. Personally, I always thought <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer">if its not broke don't fix it.</a> If someone really wants a circumcision they can do so once they're old enough to consent. I always thought infant dick…tag:atheistnexus.org,2009-07-24:2182797:Comment:4311212009-07-24T00:59:18.665Zmthoreauhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/mthoreau
I always thought infant dick sucking was just anti-semetic propaganda.
I always thought infant dick sucking was just anti-semetic propaganda.