(02-26-2017, 12:36 PM)more or less Wrote: See this is EXACTLY what I am getting at:

Quote:"I called the fake news the enemy of the people," Trump said. "They are the enemy of the people, because they have no sources. They just make them up when there are none."

And during a Thursday discussion, White House chief strategist Bannon continued to label the media as "the opposition party."
"If you look at the opposition party, how they portrayed the campaign, how they portrayed the transition, how they portray the administration, it's always wrong," he said. "The corporatist, globalist media is adamantly opposed to economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has."

That's from an article about Trump's CPAC speech that I plucked from my news reader. Source is The Hill iirc.

I need to know more about this Bannon guy, because he is talking my talk. Trump may turn out to be something no one really expects.

Mr Bannon once proudly described Breitbart as the “platform for the alt right”. Alt Right essentially refers to the online white supremacist movement.
Mr Bannon is also openly sympathetic to other bigots, including the Le Pen family in France, who head up the Front National.

Are you still confused about where the racist undertones/accusations come from?

It's all the compelling links, sources and references that read like FAKE NEWS. I do enjoy your Alt-Facts though.

(02-26-2017, 06:43 AM)Gippy Wrote: Heh. Syrian immigration is a boogey man created to rile up the base. As is the illegal alien problem. Its a distraction and a waste of time. There's already enough protections in place that the travel ban was purely a smoke screen. A diversion. ICE has been on deportation spree's all throughout the Obama admin. You see enhanced security and I see an already flailing president trying to look effective by putting a band aid on a non-existent cut.

What is the Syrian refugee problem? What is the illegal alien problem? I've already said that Mexican illegal immigration is at a 20 year low. We're deporting people like crazy for the last 6+ years. Refugees go through a 1-2 year immigration process with 14+ agencies. So I'm curious to why these issues are top of the ticket when the economy is so important. All Cheeto Mussolini has done is waste time, money and mobilize a huge base against him.

I spend more time shitting than he does in security briefings. Could I become an expert in the Syrian and Immigration problems in that amount of time?

The reality we both live in is heavily influenced by the media we consume, there's no disputing that. I get this every time I call my parents. They're stuck in the Fox bubble (my dad claims to watch other channels but all I ever hear from them all the same old bullshit talking points that show up on Faux News, and now in our President's Twitter rants, LOL). I can tell what you've been listening too. But we're also seeing a president trying to restrain the media, create distractions, and modify the story from behind his bully pulpit. And people, dare I say like you, are lapping it up. He's hiding. I just hope that when it does come to light you're not still spewing the FAKE NEWS diatribe.

You can point to a ton of scholarly articles, there's a lot of good shit out there, but this administration has given us no indication that it knows what its doing or even why its doing it. All we've seen is smoke, mirrors, corporatism, cronyism and lies. I don't care about Hillary any more. That ship has sailed. Put conservative on the ticket who actually makes sense and I'll listen. I owe no allegiance to any party. I just have what my pea brain tells me is right and wrong. Do you have any evidence that this administration is following Nye's writings?

The Syrian issue is ISIS. Virtually every terror incident in Europe from the past two years have been recent Syrian refugees either not on watch lists, or with fake passports (not to mention thwarted attacks). That said we only allowed about 4000 refugees in because even Obama wasn't that stupid. He just lied to your face about GitMo and started escalating drone warfare while letting ISIS run amok and then allowing Russia to step in. Oh and there chaos all over North Africa now but no one gives a shit really.

Quote:According to the State Department, "the total processing time varies depending on an applicant's location and other circumstances, but the average time from the initial [U.N. Refugee Agency] referral to arrival as a refugee in the United States is about 18-24 months."

Also: Nice Gitmo mention. Barry tried to close down Gitmo. He failed. But he tried... Trump already has plans to put in gold plated faucets, raise the rent, and pack it to the gills. Which plan was better? Wait, you don't need to answer that.

Quote:Again if you don't undstand the ILLEGAL part of illegal aliens I'm not wasting any more time on it.

'kay. In my defense: Illegal is a hard word.

Quote:You spend more time shitting than you do reading scholarly articles, and I don't giv a rat's ass what you think of Trump as I still don't really know what he's about yet.

You're right. Care to talk about cryptographically secure data transmission, you uneducated luddite? See, I can sound smart too. (I probably shouldn't have included this taunt. I don't think my brain could handle this technical an argument right now).

He's a con-man. He told you everything you needed to know about him during the election. So if you don't know what he's about yet that you probably can't tell me how Trump's golf game is coming along. And you probably haven't gotten to take a photo with his nuclear football carrier yet. So sad. Maybe there's still time for him to invite you to his dinner table to review secure memos. Oh, wait, that's a backhanded attempt to get you to care... damn.

Quote:As for neoliberalism, you really do need t get it as ts at the core of political economic theory.

So how much you read is up to you, but if you ever hear the term the New Left this is what they meant.

Hm. Lazy me. I will never read that for fear that I might actually learn something. You're right. Where's the hole in the sand I've been keeping my head?

Quote:I use the term pejoratively and like to think of them as market evangelicals. I am not now, nor have I ever been on board with it. In Europe it saved the left from socialism, however in America it made the left harder to tell apart from the right.

I am a neorealist and don't buy into the assumptions at the core of neoliberalism, but unfortunatlely its the dominat theme in IR and forms the framework behind most policy, both domestic and international.

Good for you. Bonus points for "pejoratively".

Can you provide the evidence of Barry's "try" or have you taken to believing politicians at face value the same way you do the corporate news outlets? The same guy who put in place a rather intense vetting process for refugees? The guy who has been escalating the drone war? You actually believe he tried to close GitMo? Really? Fascinating.

There's a great article in the New Yorker. I'd assume a well read intellectual such as yourself has maybe run across it. Or is that too biased a news source? Or possibly below your already elitist standards? It was a hotly contested subject. I'm sure you can find a source that up to your intellectual standards.

Quote:Once again reading your post you continue to insinuate what I believe, might believe, possibly believe, from objective statements regarding what others (in this case redneck hillbilly and Trumpions) seem to believe. You do this consistently and them pretend I am so contrarians when, in fact, I am scholarly and remove my opinion from discussions of things whenever possible.

Do you even remember the required course on critical thinking you took in college?

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Quote:Let me see if I can explain discussion to you. It involves objective statements about thing that appear to be true. If I was talking about my beliefs I would use catchy phrasing like "I think" or other forms of the personal pronoun "I". Is it possible for you to distinguish statements from personal opinions? It doesn't seem you know how to.

Stormfront is the online forum of young internet white supremacists. What does me stating that mean about me?

I'm guessing this is where you tell me?

(02-27-2017, 01:57 AM)more or less Wrote:

(02-26-2017, 04:37 PM)Gippy Wrote: He's a con-man. He told you everything you needed to know about him during the election.

Repeating something doesn't make it anymore true. Though you probably watch enough corporate news to have that tattoo'd on your ass somewhere.

(02-26-2017, 12:36 PM)more or less Wrote: See this is EXACTLY what I am getting at:

Quote:"I called the fake news the enemy of the people," Trump said. "They are the enemy of the people, because they have no sources. They just make them up when there are none."

And during a Thursday discussion, White House chief strategist Bannon continued to label the media as "the opposition party."
"If you look at the opposition party, how they portrayed the campaign, how they portrayed the transition, how they portray the administration, it's always wrong," he said. "The corporatist, globalist media is adamantly opposed to economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has."

That's from an article about Trump's CPAC speech that I plucked from my news reader. Source is The Hill iirc.

I need to know more about this Bannon guy, because he is talking my talk. Trump may turn out to be something no one really expects.

Mr Bannon once proudly described Breitbart as the “platform for the alt right”. Alt Right essentially refers to the online white supremacist movement.
Mr Bannon is also openly sympathetic to other bigots, including the Le Pen family in France, who head up the Front National.

Are you still confused about where the racist undertones/accusations come from?

It's all the compelling links, sources and references that read like FAKE NEWS. I do enjoy your Alt-Facts though.

(02-26-2017, 12:36 PM)more or less Wrote: See this is EXACTLY what I am getting at:

Quote:"I called the fake news the enemy of the people," Trump said. "They are the enemy of the people, because they have no sources. They just make them up when there are none."

And during a Thursday discussion, White House chief strategist Bannon continued to label the media as "the opposition party."
"If you look at the opposition party, how they portrayed the campaign, how they portrayed the transition, how they portray the administration, it's always wrong," he said. "The corporatist, globalist media is adamantly opposed to economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has."

That's from an article about Trump's CPAC speech that I plucked from my news reader. Source is The Hill iirc.

I need to know more about this Bannon guy, because he is talking my talk. Trump may turn out to be something no one really expects.

Mr Bannon once proudly described Breitbart as the “platform for the alt right”. Alt Right essentially refers to the online white supremacist movement.
Mr Bannon is also openly sympathetic to other bigots, including the Le Pen family in France, who head up the Front National.

Are you still confused about where the racist undertones/accusations come from?

It's all the compelling links, sources and references that read like FAKE NEWS. I do enjoy your Alt-Facts though.

(03-17-2017, 11:14 PM)more or less Wrote: This would be a good time to realize what it is white people actually care about. An that's pretty much nothing but themselves, and on rare occasions, their extended family.

Gerrt Wilder isn't racist, he is purely self-interested. secondarily he is probably social class interested, ie people like him.

If any of you whiny ass libtards can explain the social, political and economic significance of a Moroccan immigrant to the Netherlands, please do so.

I didn't realize being self-interested and racist were mutually exclusive. Good to know.

(03-17-2017, 11:14 PM)more or less Wrote: This would be a good time to realize what it is white people actually care about. An that's pretty much nothing but themselves, and on rare occasions, their extended family.

Gerrt Wilder isn't racist, he is purely self-interested. secondarily he is probably social class interested, ie people like him.

If any of you whiny ass libtards can explain the social, political and economic significance of a Moroccan immigrant to the Netherlands, please do so.

I didn't realize being self-interested and racist were mutually exclusive. Good to know.

Never to late to start learning. Claudette Colvin was arrested because she refused to give up her seat. She didn't riot and vandalize just because a member of her race was shot and killed while robbing a convenience store.

People are selfish and self interested, plain and simple. That's just called being human. We are under no obligation to force ourselves to adapt and account for every unique individual that have their own culture, and it's demeaning to us and to them to pretend that they are delicate little flowers that are simply incapable of fending for themselves.