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Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Originally Posted by MonkeyLuffy

To get my point FT fans,it is supposed that DS magicians have to develope their magic power...I mean,Natsu and Gajeel had to go to dragon force and not find easy solutions with eating stufs...Same with Natsu,that was the whole point of their powers from the beggining of this series!It would be way better if they had developed their own power and not stealing/eating/swallowing magic from others...Gajeel would be awesome in dragon force,not like this iron-shadow character...It's like Mashima forgot the Dragon force power...He is ignoring Natsu's and Gajeel's element!Just no!

I don't find a problem with natsu and gajeel having a boasted using another opponent element as natsu eating the lighting or gajeel this shadow power and i believe not in along future, they will evolved with their dragon slayer power and going into another level, they will obtained some final stage of dragon slayers mode..

living in the darkness and now with a new light, i will raise to a new beginning...

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Originally Posted by exacta

I wrote two whole paragraphs explaining how Natsu eating Zancrows God Flames and Laxus' lightning directly contradicts stuff in the manga. It was wildly off topic and a waste of time, but geez if your going to respond to it and call me out on it at least read it then. All Gajeel eating shadows contradicts is DS eating other elements, which has been done many times already anyway by Natsu. How many fights has Natsu won by eating something? How many has Gajeel? How many times has Natsu gotten a power up? How many times has Gajeel? This is not a hard concept dude. This feels fresh. Well, in comparison to the fights we've usually been getting.

I read them. But you were complaining about the logic of Natsu eating other elements, and then justifying it was okay for Gajeel because Natsu did it.

Either it is okay for both, or for neither. For me, it's okay for both.

As for contradicting stuff in the manga, that's how it always happens. "You could never defeat me!" -- defeated. "You cannot reach that place in time!" -- reaches that place with time to spare. Characters had misconceptions that something could not be done. That something was done. That is pretty much standard.

Originally Posted by exacta

There are several reasons to think Natsu would lose to Zancrow and Hades. Gildartz speech made it sound like Natsu would encounter a fight that he would need to run away from, which ideally would then give him an opportunity to work hard and train, then come back stronger and win. Also, Charle's prediction about something awful happening. Everything worked out fine in the end though.....but that's why I don't trust Charle's predictions. She fooled me the first time, but that's the first time. It won't happen again.

Yeah. Hades mopping the floor with Makarov without even getting a scratch or using his true power. Yeah. With all due respect to you my good sir, really good reason to expect Natsu to lose. Of course, back then, I had different standards for FT. Also, unlike the above scenarios, it's not exactly like anyone was expecting Gajeel to lose to Rogue here. Most probably expected Dragon Force, that's what I thought would happen.

But Natsu is the main character. It's like expecting Goku to lose against King Piccolo because Master Roshi did, or Ichigo to lose against Aizen because Yamamoto did, etc... it a manga trope. The young hero will surpass the master and become the strongest thing alive.

Also, that fight to run from was Acnologia, I think.

Originally Posted by exacta

And Lightning combined with Fire was boring...Natsu hits a guy, he gets burned, then he gets zapped with lightning. Sound creative? They're also two elements that are often combined in stories, and are technically similar to another. I'm just interested to see how Mashima will combine these two, iron and shadow. Hopefully he'll do a good job.

And so what if Gajeel's not the main character? That means he shouldn't be able to DO SOMETHING once in awhile? Dude. My standards......they aren't high.

I do think that Iron and Shadow are a more interesting combination, because they add versatility to Gajeel, while Fire and Lightning only add extra brawn to Natsu. And, like I said, I like Gajeel, and I want to see him do stuff too. I didn't like how he was pushed aside in the tournament. But I understand that this is Mashima's story, and Natsu, Lucy, Erza and Gray will be the main characters, in that order, until the end. I'd like Gajeel to be there too, but alas, I take what I can get.

To get my point FT fans,it is supposed that DS magicians have to develope their magic power...I mean,Natsu and Gajeel had to go to dragon force and not find easy solutions with eating stufs...Same with Natsu,that was the whole point of their powers from the beggining of this series!It would be way better if they had developed their own power and not stealing/eating/swallowing magic from others...Gajeel would be awesome in dragon force,not like this iron-shadow character...It's like Mashima forgot the Dragon force power...He is ignoring Natsu's and Gajeel's element!Just no!

Dragon force will come. Against dragons. Or stronger opponents than measly Sabertooth.

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Hey I agree with you. Power ups are power ups but if you think about it carefully you'll see they make sense. Though I do disagree with you on one, Gajeel and Gray are the same in terms of character importance, without Gajeel natsu doesn't get strong because both natsu and Gajeel are brothers in there both dragon slayers and have the same personality, both are dangerous, strong, hyper and will jump head in first plus they love girls with sexy bodies and besides who would natsu fight with. Also lets not forget Gajeel and natsu usually work in sync much better and lets not forget the edolas arc and even recently after natsu defeated the excutioners, he has a villanious side and has shown it throughout the manga especially during his fights. There also probably based on their dragon's own personality. We can expect Natsu's dragon Igneel to be similar to Natsu and Gajeel's own dragon is similar to Gajeel in personality and character
So technically Gajeel is a main character
As for power-ups and absorbing power. Here's a way to look at things people. Take fire how do you blow things up aka combustion? you require a source of fuel (diesel) + O2(oxygen gas) and then FIRE, in other words natsu to be able to even weild fire is wielding secondary elements to get the job done anyways. Even lightning as i posted before has a wind attribute to it and wind itself has water vapor so technically using secondary elements isn't stupid nor insane it requires some intelligence and acologia proves this point hardcore. Same is with Gajeel, in basic terms hes a rock specialist (iron is derived from metallic rock) but the fact that he can cut practically anything with an iron sword makes no sense (iron isn't a strong metal) FYI the strongest material on the planet is diamond and the only things close to it are metal carbides technically carbon nanotubes and graphene are stronger then even stainless steel (which is considered the strongest metal) so how he cuts rock and steel katana's using just iron? Another thing, he doesn't just eat iron, everytime in the manga he ever ate his own element (the first fight against natsu) he ate METAL and METAL is an alloy of several different metals (aluminum, iron, steel etc...) we know this for a fact the technology in that civilization is there people. The iron he ate was nothing but in the form of rust (iron oxide-which has oxygen in it hahah (air element again)) So you can see both NAtsu and GAjeel are using several elements without even knowing it to get their primary elements to work and powering them up demonically in the process, so we should enjoy the show because for once we might get some serious elements be shown in a serious crazy way, lava and molten metal could be cool for both natsu and gajeel to pull off. Enjoy the show and have fun with it elemental magic is the strongest magic in the world, once you harness one, you can harness them all
but back to your original comment, no Gajeel is not a secondary but a primary character

Originally Posted by Morlun

I read them. But you were complaining about the logic of Natsu eating other elements, and then justifying it was okay for Gajeel because Natsu did it.

Either it is okay for both, or for neither. For me, it's okay for both.

As for contradicting stuff in the manga, that's how it always happens. "You could never defeat me!" -- defeated. "You cannot reach that place in time!" -- reaches that place with time to spare. Characters had misconceptions that something could not be done. That something was done. That is pretty much standard.

But Natsu is the main character. It's like expecting Goku to lose against King Piccolo because Master Roshi did, or Ichigo to lose against Aizen because Yamamoto did, etc... it a manga trope. The young hero will surpass the master and become the strongest thing alive.

Also, that fight to run from was Acnologia, I think.

I do think that Iron and Shadow are a more interesting combination, because they add versatility to Gajeel, while Fire and Lightning only add extra brawn to Natsu. And, like I said, I like Gajeel, and I want to see him do stuff too. I didn't like how he was pushed aside in the tournament. But I understand that this is Mashima's story, and Natsu, Lucy, Erza and Gray will be the main characters, in that order, until the end. I'd like Gajeel to be there too, but alas, I take what I can get.

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Originally Posted by amitnaruto

Hey I agree with you. Power ups are power ups but if you think about it carefully you'll see they make sense. Though I do disagree with you on one, Gajeel and Gray are the same in terms of character importance (...) Gajeel is not a secondary but a primary character

I have to disagree here. Gray has an important fight and role in every arc. Gajeel doesn't. If Mashima doesn't leave Gajeel out of any future arcs, and gives him something important to do, then I will agree with you. But as of this moment, if there's a 5th character in the "main" group, it's (ugh) Wendy.

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

As a dragon slayer, Gajeel probably does have a bit more connection to whatever overall plot there is, but as far as being active in the story, Gray definitely comes out ahead of Gajeel. The last two arcs in a row have had as much of the guild shoved into them as Mashima could manage, but arcs that don't include the whole guild don't have half as much Gajeel in them while still giving the same amount of attention to Gray.

(Also, keep in mind who all made it to the fight with Hades. Gray got to be there for the whole battle. Gajeel spent most of the S-Class arc in bed.)

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Gajeel's a fairly important character, just not one of the main characters. Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, and Wendy are the main characters(plus Happy and Charle). Gajeel being a DS obviously has a connection to the main plot. He's kind of a secondary main character, like Juvia, Mirajane, and Elfman.

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Originally Posted by Leonsagara

Gajeel's a fairly important character, just not one of the main characters. Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, and Wendy are the main characters(plus Happy and Charle). Gajeel being a DS obviously has a connection to the main plot. He's kind of a secondary main character, like Juvia, Mirajane, and Elfman.

he is more of a major character than mirajane and elfman in my opinion

but he is not as big as natsu erza and lucy, he is right behind gray in my opinion if you were to rank their importance to the story

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

In fact, in term of importance, I think Gajeel is way more important than Grey.
Actually, I think that even Wendy is more important than Grey.

He's basically the least important in the 6 main characters.

I like Gajeel better than Gray, but I wasn't talking about "importance", I was talking about Gajeel not being one of the main characters. At the moment, he is not, like other have already said. He was out of the Tower of Heaven arc, the Oracion Seis arc, and was one of the first to fall in the Tenrou arc.

He hasn't had the "screentime" to call him a "main character", as much as you'd want to.

Mashima may change that, but for 318 chapters, the main characters have been the original 4, with Wendy tacked on midway through.

Fortunately, Mashima does give screen time to a lot of Fairy Tail members, not just the main characters. Among the secondary characters, I agree, Gajeel is in the first tier. He's had more showings than Mirajane, and probably the same amount as Elfman and Juvia.

And before that, I want to see dragon "drive." Sting and Rogue's first power-up. I want to see Natsu and Gajeel enter "drive" mode and kick ass. Then, later, dragon force.

More power-ups will come. Let them come at their pace.

I just expected an easy win from Gajile with DF and then give his full power with Dragons...It doesn't need power ups all the time

Also,Ichigo trained by a master(his father) about some months before he beat Aizen,he didn't became the strongest in the same day that he lost by an S clas, like Natsu did.Μy point is that,FT and especially Natsu must be taste the defeat...(and don't give me the example of Achnologia.He is the last villain,of course he would lose by the strongest villain).In real life,you can't get stronger if you dont taste the defeat.It seems that Natsu do the exactly the opposite...

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Natsu's been defeated lots of times that we've never seen. Why do you think he's so scared of Erza? Apparently Laxus beat him a couple of times too. Also, Natsu did admit defeat against Gildarts.

SO,he did defeated many times off panel?-.- im not sure if this is true...

Even if it is true,thats not mean that he reached the ultimate level and that he is capable to beat every enemy that he is facing.Defeats are defeats and he would never stop to taste it...Even Makarov and Gildtartz lost many times at their best!

Re: Fairy Tail 318 Discussion/ 319 Predictions

Originally Posted by MonkeyLuffy

SO,he did defeated many times off panel?-.- im not sure if this is true...

Even if it is true,thats not mean that he reached the ultimate level and that he is capable to beat every enemy that he is facing.Defeats are defeats and he would never stop to taste it...Even Makarov and Gildtartz lost many times at their best!

All we know about Gildartz losing to someone when he was at his strongest is that he lost to Acnologia during one of his travels and managed to barely escape death. As for Makarov, he lost to Hades - his former master, who taughts him , knew all his tricks and had superior knowledge about origins of magic. also, there was this one time when his magical enegry was destabilized by a dirty trick
( during Phantom Lord Arc ), but I don't think that counts as a fight per se.

Natsu admitted losing to Gildartz - he knows he can't beat him and it seems he realized that there are many people stronger than him, but he doesn't stop beause of that. It's just his nature - he's hot-headed and likes to test his strength by engaging in battles with strong opponents. When there's a need to be serious, he is pushing himself to the limit and while doing so, he gets to know more about his own power.

It's hard to define " Ultimate Level" ( as you called it) in FT . Is it the same level of magic power Acnologia , or Dragons in general, have? Can we put people on par with Zeref in the " Ultimate" category? Every time a seemingly undefeatable wizard with insane output of magical power shows up, he gets the " Strongest " label. But it's only a matter of time when someone who can surpass him will appear.