Hooper_XHow DARE a presidential candidate suggest that the country they're trying to lead isn't totally and utterly perfect in every single way!

Seriously, the U.S. needs to hear more of this shit and less of WOOOOO USA #1.

Nice attempt at trolling, though.

MerkwuerdigeliebeI see how "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" can be considered offensive. Has America never done anything pride-inspiring?

The Great Hippo"For the first time in my adult lifetime" was a pretty shitty thing to say, although in her (mild) defense, it could have just been a matter of personal experience. But yeah, there ARE plenty of moments for America to be proud of. The problem is that conservatives want to bar anyone from the discussion who doesn't enter the room in an American-made SUV painted red-white-and-blue while wearing a flag lapel on their eagle-emblazoned shirt with 'AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL' going full blast.

It's like these fucktwits don't understand that self-criticism is an American institution dating back all the way to Ben "FUCKING-YOUR-MOTHER" Franklin.

Billy ButtsexThe problem that conservatives have with Obama and patriotism is that his father is a foreign national muslim, he's black, and he's liberal. If you don't think we should at least be taking time to consider whether this guy is the ultimate patriot, you've gotta be retarded.

These are the three groups of people who have the most problems with America's structure, and want to go through the most pains to completely redistribute wealth and change the moral character of the nation. That's the opposite of patriotism, and people should be picking everything he says apart, just to be sure we're not electing some Allah-flavored communist.

That doesn't paint a good picture for conservatives there. Are you actually defending this?

I'm white and I have just as much problem with the way america is being run as someone who might be black and/or muslim. In fact, criticism is the only real way we grow and mature.

And if you have actually been listening to all Obama says (instead of quote mining him) then you'll see we are picking his words apart and listening to him. And, that is why people like me are voting for him.

We agree with his policies. We agree with a majority of what he says. He makes sense.

Conservatives cannot stand someone who's not conservative thinking more critically than they are.

The definition of Left Wing is taking a stance of wealth redistribution, generally allied with liberal social values.

Democrats are the left-wing party.

Blacks vote democrat 90% of the time because they're left wing.

Sharia law and democracy don't work well.

Which of these statements do you have a problem with?

The Great HippoActually, one of the reasons I'd say conservatism isn't conservatism anymore is because they're also into wealth distribution. They've long abandoned the view of pure capitalism and actually actively seek to move wealth from the bottom to the top--I mean, LITERALLY, that's what they're trying to do. I don't think they're doing this out of a philosophical point or anything; it's just been the natural evolution of pandering to business interests. Not that liberals don't pander too; conservatives just do it MUCH MORE (because big business tends to like them more, naturally).

Really, in the end, it's probably going to take a decade or two of liberal economics to undo all the damage the 'conservative' economics have done.

LetsFistAgainConservatives have never been Libertarian, Libertarians are Libertarian. If that is even a good thing. I am a Socialist with a family full of former Communists so trust me to know whats not a free market.

The Great HippoActually, there was a time when conservatives were pretty much saying "FREE MARKET!" (of course, just because they said it didn't mean it was true). Way back in the early 20th century, the whole laissez faire thing (plus social darwinism--kind of ironic considering conservatism's take on evolution now, and how they always cite social darwinism as a negative 'result' of it). Of course, in the end, the conservatives showed their true colors in the end--suddenly screaming "WE NEED GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!" the moment those magical self-regulating corporations on unicorns (aka, Unions) they always claimed would appear actually *DID*.

The problem I have with conservatives is that they are blatantly racist pieces of shit like Billy Buttsex, but when they make speeches they paint themselves as decent human beings who judge people based on their characters and not on who they are as human beings.

I also think that continually questioning a person's patriotism is boorish, somewhat fascist (as it censors a person's right to participate in politics based solely on a vague, narrow and exclusive concept of what your national identity is) and disgusting, and more fit for a citizen of the 19th and not the 21st century, but hey, you're the ones who have fucked up everything in the past eight years, so the question of patriotism really should be directed toward your mirrors.

Billy ButtsexThe problem that I have with liberals is that they are blatantly secularist/atheist/anti-Christian pieces of shit like Gayleen, but when they make speeches they paint themselves as tolerant lovers of Christianity and Islam, as if all religions can be right and don't make mutually exclusive claims that cohesively oppose everything Democratic.

What... what?

grimcityGod of the Old Testament was an authoritarian thug, killing more people than anyone in the entire Bible.
Jesus, however, hung out with whores, chilled at a club house with his homies, used his godmajiks to make booze, hung out with Satan without ever once trying to punch him, and was pretty much a hippie. Jesus: Help the poor, be humble, be especially kind to those that seem doomed. Pretty fucking liberal, yeah?

...that is, if he existed.

Billy ButtsexJesus was just as much about salvation as damnation, you twat, and he was pretty authoritarian about it. He spent time with hookers and drunks, but keep in mind that he commanded them to "go forth, and sin no more."

I'm tired of your liberal garbage. Go read the bible, and shut the fuck up until after you get out of college for a few years.

After I crushed Billy Buttsex in the fap threads of 07-08 I moved on. Looking at what I wrote under this clip I didn't even bother to compose coherent sentences.

Talking to Billy makes me feel like a tired mother, heavily doused in percocet, turning to her diapered infant and telling him to stop whining about poopoo people and whatever else is in his closet that night.

I don't care about the poopoo people in your closet billy, go back to bed.

IrishWhiskey''I see how "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" can be considered offensive.''

Yeah, but only because its out of context. Michelle Obama repeated hundreds of times in stump speeches how she was proud of her country as ''for the first time'' change, hope, new voters, etc. Then she misspoke and said it in the wrong order as ''for the first time' she's proud of her country as change, hope, new voters, etc

Its repeating the same sentence 10,000 times and a small verbal mistake, not intended as a disparagement of her patriotism.

glendowerThe whole patriotism question is an absurd non-issue used as propaganda by the McCain campaign: If you're running for president, that means that you think some politicians before you did bad things and that America was led astray. Obama is upset about slavery...is that wrong?

I can't wait until Obama is president. Having John McCain would be a complete goddamn nightmare after eight years of President Fuckface.

CamonkNow, I'm younger than Michelle and Barrack, but depending on where you start the counter for "adult life" I'm pretty sure I couldn't say I've been proud of America in mine, either. Luckily, Obama's gonna get elected and I'll be able to say it. You geniuses wanna tell me something America's done to be proud of in the last 10 years? We lost a space shuttle, a major US city, a war, economic well-being, environmental protections, international standing...

sliggyI'm going to have to agree with you, seeing as I turned 18 on November 8th, 2000.

Remember that time the Supreme Court selected our president? That was...oh wait that wasn't anything to be proud of.

FezrenMy brother-in-law was a Medic stationed in Somalia. He gave thousands of much-needed vaccinations to the children there.

As we speak the US is providing humanitarian aid to several places around the Globe. It's funny how you rarely hear about it on the news.

Billy ButtsexThank you Fezren, for standing up for our country. Apparently, massive humanitarian endeavors don't count for anything on this site, at least to everyone else.

NoCodeI'm with Camonk on this, too. I'm 28 and have never been particularly YAY AMERICA WE ARE SO GREAT. It takes a head very, very far up an ass to think that America is like OMG THE BESTEST AT EVERYTHING ANYWHERE IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

CamonkGuys, humanitarian aid is great. It's just too bad that out of major industrialized nations, we give the smallest percentage of our overall GDP in humanitarian aid. Also we're one of the few representative democracies without universal suffrage. So that's hardly a reason to be proud of America. People like Fezren's brother-in-law are there in spite of American policy, not because of it.

CamonkMore things we lost: a budget surplus, a massive landmark, 3000 lives in a preventable terrorist attack, the chance to capture and actually bring justice to Osama bin Laden, our moral high ground when we stooped to torture, our moral high ground again when we tried to deny the basic human rights which we are supposed to champion to prisoners captured in our illegal war, the chance to do something good in Iraq, the chance to keep the Taliban out of Afghanistan...

Billy ButtsexCarmonk: is the percentage of humanitarian outlays a total of all egalitarian expeditures, or only expenditures made by the US government?

U.S. forces are improving water supplies in Ecuador, flood barriers in Bangladesh, a medical clinic in Uganda and schools in Kyrgyzstan. Military experts train local residents to remove land mines in Nicaragua and Vietnam.

By year-end, the U.S. military will have delivered 300,000 daily-rations packages overseas. Soldiers will have dug wells, built schools, and transported hospital equipment to villages from Croatia to Colombia. The Army will have trained officials from 11 African countries – Kenya, Ethiopia, Egypt, Eritrea, Djibouti, Seychelles, Burundi, Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Tanzania – to respond to disasters and deliver medical care.

Just the first thing I found on Google. There is plenty to be proud of, and also plenty that disappoints me.

IrishWhiskeyYeah, everyday around you, (hopefully) there's evidence of things to be proud of. Even in the government, believe it or not. Unfortunately that exists side-by-side with the bad, instead of making up for it. Humanitarian efforts and protection of civil liberties don't cancel out torture and corruption, but have to be acknowledged together if we want any chance to keep moving forward.

In order to be proud of our country, we have to see it for what it is, not what we'd rather pretend it is. And in order to make things better, we have to remember that we have done great things to overcome greater challenges in the past.

glasseyeOh billy, you special troll. So full of bile and lies. So precious!

Cleaner82America is not a piece of shit Billy and it's pretty shameful that you would say such a thing. Don't you love our country anymore?

Thatcher PennywhistleBilly, you're getting a lot better at this. I especially like:
"Dear HamedTurban,
Nothing I said there is revolutionary or insulting."

HarrietTubmanPIAgreed completely. It could also be a passing insult to Harriet Tubman.