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07 - SEP 07 - Brian H./Jon C.

Sky News : What do you
know about what Kate is thinking, feeling about the kind of direction
that this inquiry's taking?

Brian Healy : She... well,
Sue said, I think, in a couple of interviews today, that... if Kate
and Gerry were... are not involved how did the stuff... must have
been planted there, whatever DNA is there. It's just unbelievable.

SN : What you think... you
think that someone may have deliberately...

BH : And the perpetrator
or somebody else has put it there. I know Kate and Gerry wouldn't
harm Madeleine at all.

SN : And you think someone
may have planted DNA to try and implicate them?

BH : I... yeah, I think
so.

SN : Is it possible that
Kate, with her medical background, might have wanted to help
Madeleine to go to sleep that night?

BH : No. Not at all.

SN : Even out of kindness,
she certainly wouldn't have given... ?

BH : Not even out of
kindness. I think... they may have used Calpol... like most mothers
have... nothing... it's just outrageous to even think about it. First
and foremost was their kids. They wouldn't have done that. I mean...

SN : What impact is it
having, errr... Mr Healy, on... on the family generally, particularly
the way things are going in Portuga

BH : My sister-in-law had
a... collapsed the other day; it might have been pressure, it might
have been tension, I don't know. It's affected... my sister from
Canada's rang today, she's so upset she hasn't been to bed all night.

SN : How about you because
you've not been well, have you?

BH : Well, I think, it's
errr... I'm just horrified... anyone could even think that my
daughter would do such a thing. I know she hasn't done it... anything
to harm Madeleine. Gerry the same. It's just devastating to think
that people could even think it.

SN : What's your view of
the Portuguese police now and the way that the investigation has been
conducted.

BH : Well, for... for
weeks and months we've been su... been very supportive of the
Portuguese police. I don't know, I just don't know. I'm not all that
happy.

SN : You say for weeks
you've been supportive...

BH : Well, since... since
the...

SN : ...suggesting that
you don't feel that way anymore.

BH : No, I'm beginning to
doubt. We've... when people have tried to badmouth the Portuguese
police we've always shyed away from it. But I don't care now, you
know.

SN : So, what are your
views now of the Portuguese police?

BH : Well, I don't want to
say too much. I'm not that happy with them, let's... let's put it
that way.

SN : You're clearly
concerned about the way that...

BH : Yeah.

SN : Do you feel that they
will not now get the level of support that they've had from the
family thus far?

BH : Well, they've already
taken 11 hours of support away by interviewing Kate for that time.
Why weren't they out looking for Madeleine or doing something? This
is just a waste of time; a farce. It would be a joke if it wasn't so
disgusting.

SN : Why do you think
they've taken this course?

BH : I don't know. I'll
just say one thing; In Faro airport, I never saw one poster of
Madeleine. They're concerned about the tourist industry. You know,
they're... Philly McCann and a... a friend of hers were bodily
escorted out of the airport one time when they went to put p...
They're terrified about the... you know, more than the little kid...
terrified their tourist industry is going to be hit.

SN : You think that they
fear that all of this will affect their tourism industry?

BH : I think they just
want Kate and Gerry out their country and close it all down.

SN : Now, Kate and Gerry
were planning to return this weekend, were they not?

BH : Yeah.

SN : What's the latest on
that?

BH : Well, I don't know...
with the police investigation, I don't know. I don't know. We'll just
have to wait and see.

SN : What do you think
will be going through Kate's mind now because she's been very
supportive too, publicly at least, towards the Portuguese police?

BH : Well, I don't know. I
think she'll be bewildered and I think horrified that anyone can even
think that of her, you know.

SN : What would you say to
her if she were with you now?

BH : I'd just hug her to
death... (breaks down)

SN : Do you want a break?

BH : I'm alright, I'm
alright.

SN : Are you okay?

BH : Yeah. I just want to
hug her to death. She looks so unprotected over there, you know.

SN : How do you get
through that?

BH : Well, funny enough, I
sleep well of a night as I'm usually... I don't spend, errr... a hour
when I don't think about Madeleine. Sometimes you go down dark roads,
other times you... you know, you tend to forget about it, it gets
easier. But then something hits you and 'phummm'... like something
digging in your stomach, you know.

SN : Do you believe that
Madeleine will be found?

BH : Well, according to
Gerry - he's seen stuff that we haven't seen - and there's
nothing, as yet, to suggest that she's dead, so you've got to believe
that she's alive. Just hope so.

SN : What is it like for
you, as the father of this woman, to hear accusations that she may
have played a part in Madeleine's disappearance?

BH : Just so unbelievable.
So disgusting and obscene, it's horrible. My... my daughter's not
like that. I... I know her. I know her.

Interviewer : Thanks very much for
joining us this morning. I just wondered if you'd had a chance to
speak, errr... to Kate McCann, since, errr... last nights questioning
or speak to any members of the family directly?

Jon Corner : Yeah, I spoke to Kate
about, errm... four o'clock this morning, errm... she's obviously
very stunned and... it was a long session with the police, errm...
but I think what came across, errm... clearly over the phone, when I
was talking to her was, errm... how exasperated she is, that the
mindset of the Portuguese police is now not out there looking for a
live little girl, as... as Kate absolutely believes, but the mindset
is that Madeliene is dead and, errr... and that's where the inquiry
seems to be turning. So that... that is truly frustrating and
exasperating for both Kate and Gerry.

I : And from what she said
to you, errr... did you... what... what impression did you get as to
how she saw the significance of being named as a formal suspect?

JC : The si... well, she
didn't actually say she was named as a formal suspect, she just
actually talked about the process of the, errm... the... the police
and how they were questioning her and clearly the... the... the...
the questioning is... is inward and it's not outward. It's not out
looking for Madeleine in the Iberian peninsula and I think she was
hoping - or clinging to the hope - that there would be some new
evidence; that there would be a fresh lead; that we'd have some idea
as to who's taken Madeleine because we firmly believe she's still
alive and she's still out there and we can find her.Kate MC a manifestement minimisé l'importancedes questions de la police pour refocaliser sur le fait que la police ne cherche pas MMC.

I : So, having spoken to
her and you obviously have followed the case very closely, I mean,
what are your sentiments on this... this turn today? I... I know it
has yet to be officially confirmed that she is being treated as a
suspect but if we assume that these reports are true, what are your
sentiments on that?

I : Errr... Can I just
clarify, when you say that, errr... the police being in... inward
facing, do you think they're... they're now... do you think they have
been treated as suspects; they are being treated as suspects.

JC : I would think so,
yeah.

I : You are... you...
tell us a little more about that, I mean, in... in what way? How
has... how has that become plain to her? How has the questioning, if
you like, given her that impression?

JC : Well, the
questioning is about Kate and the questioning is about Gerry. The
questioning is not about or the... the, errm... the focus is not
about the wider investigation and the search for Madeleine; the
ques... the questioning is about, errm... Kate and Gerry themselves
and about their movements.

I : Do you mean they're
now having...

JC : I think that's about
as much as I can say.

I : Okay, they're now
having to account very specifically for what they were doing; when;
over a long period of time.

JC : Yeah, yeah, yeah...
it's... it's going over a lot of the ground that they've gone over
before.

I : Can you give us a
sense... I mean, I know you're... you're godfather of their twins,
aren't you?

JC : Yes... yes.

I : Prior to this, sort
of, last 24 hours, they... they were talking, errr... to a degree,
about whether they might try and leave Portugal; about what the next
step would be. Did she talk to you about, you know, how this is
affecting what their plans in the long term are?

JC : Ahhh, well, that's...
that's where the exasperation and frustration comes in because we
need to get over this, errm... this appalling phase of... of... of
Kate being a suspect so that we can not derail the campaign for
looking for finding Madeleine. We need to look forward; keep looking
for Madeleine. We've been working very closely with the International
Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, in America, and they're
world leaders in this field and they're... they're placing six months
as a standard time for... for a missing child in... in Madeleine's
circumstances, errr... which means we're still in Phase One of our
search for Madeleine, so it's deeply, errm... depressing and
frustrating for both Kate and Gerry that... that the Portuguese
police seem to be looking inward, at the parents as suspects, instead
of looking outwards to find where Madeleine is.

I : And... and Jon, when
you spoke to Kate, was it her... the impression she's getting from...
because she obviously has legal advice with her, during this
questioning, errm... is... is the impression she's getting from her
lawyers... because one of the suggestions is that this step, of
making her a formal suspect, under Portuguese law, is to some degree
a protection for her too. I mean, is that... does she see that, in
any shape or form, as the case?

JC : Do you know, I
didn't... I didn't discuss that with her, I... I... I'm not sure
about that.

I : And what about Gerry
McCann, I mean, he... he is due, we understand, to arrive this
afternoon for questioning himself. Have you had a chance to... to
speak to him?

JC : Yeah, I spoke to
Gerry. He's equally, errr... as frustrated. You see Kate and Gerry
are relying on the Portuguese police; they're really their only hope
to find Madeleine and there's a... there's a... an uncomfortable
feeling that the police are not neccessarily looking outward for
Madeleine, that they're... they're... they're turning their attention
into the parents and they know that that's a dead end and that's
deeply frustrating for them.

I : And I just w...
thought, Jon, as a final thought, I mean, we've seen the images this
morning; Kate McCann arriving back at the police station... this is
the... this is the 11... we understand, almost 11 hours of
questioning last night... as... I don't know if you've had a chance
to see these images yet but I... I just wondered, you know, what your
thoughts were, knowing that she's... she's, errm... in that situation
again... once again, and now almost certainly being made a formal
suspect.

JC : Nothing can be worse
than... than that... that... that first 48 hours when Madeleine went
missing and Kate and Gerry are very, very tough, resilient people;
they're determined to find their daughter. They don't want this...
this current, errr... activity to actually derail that... that search
and, errr... Kate is... is... is determined, really, that she's going
to keep looking for Madeleine and... and so is Gerry.