>>115174642Bro it’s literally JesusJohn 14:6“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”Matthew 18:18“Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”Just kidding of course

>>115174754Golden Age version straight up whammies you into doing whatever she tells you to, which generally happens to be "Tell the Truth."It varies with later versions, which are all inevitably less delightfully broken than the original.

>>115174634I'm thinking about it and I'm honestly not sure how afraid I am.

There are things I have done and said that I wouldn't like being publicly known. But if they all came out, every last one of them, I don't think I would be destroyed, if I had to reveal them all.

And, frankly, I don't fear my own heart. I have been honest with myself for a very long time, as long as I can remember. Brutally examining myself holds no fear for me. And if it's Diana asking me questions, I don't see any reason to fear her, either, because I know she's kind and just.

Really thinking about it, I have no particular reason to fear the Lasso. Would it do things to me that might be inconvenient? Yes. Would it do things to me that would DESTROY me? No.

>>115174713"I dunno if I'm not moving out because I can't afford it or because I'm afraid to leave the safety and familiarity of the house I've been in most of my life. That in the last few years I haven't even checked how to get a loan for a house is pretty telling, though."

>>115174791Unless pushed and tempered by wisdom of age or experience an ego is a fragile thing. Conscious and subconscious lies told to yourself are part of that. Having that ripped away from you in an instant can be highly traumatic

>>115174842Maybe it's being a good Christian, or maybe it's something else. But whatever it is, I genuinely am not afraid of having whatever is hidden in my soul dredged up. Since I was less than ten years old I have always striven to be honest with myself. Maybe it's a personal decision I made at a very young age that has stayed with me decades later. But however it has happened, I genuinely think I have nothing to fear from the Lasso of Truth. It might show me things that I don't know about myself, but I don't think it could break me. In fact, it might actually be helpful. I'd rather know my hidden depths and troubles, so I could live with them and address them properly. It seems to me like a thing not to be feared, but to be welcomed.

>>115174968Maybe I'm being overly fatalistic but I do believe that everyone, no matter their upbringing or their own values has secrets, lies and things untold inside them that aren't always meant to be said or even become known. Do forgive me for using Tolkien as a reference, but the One Ring would make a good example of that. Nobody is truly incorruptible - even if they were to resist the Rings influence, they'd turn into a husk of a man; unfeeling and bitter. How would it influence someone if they were to know they had a yearning to hurt and spread misery buried inside them that would've never surfaced in a perfectly ordinary live?

>>115174634>Am I the only one that's absolutely terrified by Wonder Womans lasso?

This depends on if it forces you to tell you the truth as you percieve it or if you're forced to tell the truth as it objectively is.

> be so totally indoctrinated and done over by a cult and mind control that you genuinely believe that 2+2=5do you say the answer to 2+2 is what you've been told and believe (5) or do you tell the objective truth that it's 4?because if you say 4, thus:> be a comic character in the DC universe, get lasso'd by Wonder Woman> tell everyone that they're just fictional characters on a paper page

the real trouble is the lasso does not force you or any listeners to believe that what you've said actually is the truth, or true. only to the limit that they believe the lasso can work whatever magic it has on you> the immovable object versus the unstoppable force

>>115175108Not knowing something about yourself is not the same as telling a lie about it. Some things are just really difficult to figure out and are complex in nature. Certain things can hide other issues or get causes confused. Thinking people just decide to lie to themselves is incredibly uncharitable, and it won't help you figure out a lot of what is potentially wrong with a given person. The human mind is actually a confluence of several independent parts capable of thinking and acting on their own. The goal is to keep them pointed in the same direction and generally try not to ignore them when they 'speak'.

Look up Carl Yung sometimes. Or just Jordan Peterson, who does a good job of translating Jung's work in to a more practical and understandable form.

>>115175486>twins>parents split up when we were 4>also split us up>reunite at 8, live with our mom at grandparents house for a bit>kind of traumatized from being apart, want to be together all the time after that>move into new house at 9, mom works all the time, just me and sister together alone>eventually start experimenting with each otherNot going into those details you perv>now 22, moved into apartment together>have separate rooms but share a bed most of the time anyway, not fucking or anything, just don't like being apart >still each others best friend

There are a list of extrapolations Jung makes that I hard disagree with. Obviously colored by his own individual perceptions. His understanding of the structure of the mind, though, is worth looking at. This is also why I suggest Peterson. Who supplements the useful parts of Jung with many other sources and minds that were right in their own ways.. if mistaken in their ultimate answers to the problems they noticed. Much like Jung has a point but his answer to what he saw is mistaken.

Honestly, I'd just look up Peterson's talks directly. He already distills the useful things from other places and puts them in to practical usable form.

>>115174713On a break from my (now ex) girlfriend a few years ago, I accidentally committed statutory rape which, had it been literally two days earlier, would have been a felony. Thankfully just ended up being a misdemeanor, but definitely not my finest hour.

>>115174713I used to play some games with my sister when we were 8/6 that ended up in kissing and rubbing eachotherI regret that so hard I used to have suicidal thoughts when I started realising what I did

>>115177083Yes, but do keep in mind. Luthor is a dick. He absolutely can whip up the tech to cure cancer and has done so before only to snag it back away because he's so angery at Superman. And because he's a dick.

>>115174713I'm pretty sure I have some sort of emotional deformity. I feel emotions but not the way other people do, unless they're all lying or being overly dramatic about their emotions. I feel like there's something missing that everyone else takes for granted to such an extent that they wouldn't even understand what it is I'm missing, but at the same time I do not actually miss it in the way that I feel bad about it, maybe because I've never had it to begin with or because it's part of what I'm missing to be unable to feel too bad about it.

>>115174713I had a crush on a classmate in 10th grade, so once, when everyone but me was out of class, I searched her bag for her phone and looked up her private discussions on social media because I was too embarrassed to ask if she had a boyfriend. She didn't have one. Didn't have any lewd photos on her phone either.

>>115175404It obviously HAS to be the truth as you perceive it. Otherwise, you could literally use it as an omniscient diving device>grab literally anyone>"Hey, what's the Anti-Life Equation?">person just rambles it out for you

>>115174713When i entered puberty, due to lack of proper sex-ed, i thought when having an orgasm you would pee, thus for the first two times i actually peed instead of cum.Funnily enough, pee is not a fetish of mine.

>>115174713My biggest fear is being normal,so I pretend i know a lot about things and try to act smart in front of people that don't know me.I think all my friends think I'm a dumbass and I know I'm responsible for that idea of me,I just want people to think I'm not a bumbling baboon but I'm afraid I am too far gone.

>>115177321>33 timesNot possible, after the tenth ejaculation your Dickinson won't have enough cum to shoot so even if you continue you cuming nothing will come out, maybe a watery cum but other than that you just feel the sensation but nothing appears.

>>115177750It's not about lying or telling the truth it's about being forced to. Maybe I don't want to admit that I feel sheepish about people thanking me and that being the reason I often dont even mention the shit I do to help out. Maybe I dont want to tell that I choked my pet rat when I was a kid because I was still too much of a dumbass to actually understand what I did.I don't want a demi-god to take agency over my thoughts by virtue of a glowing rope

In later runs they had Diana use it more sparingly, only as a last resort, like with J'onn's mind reading. It's to save lives, not to invade privacy. I like to think that that's something she had to learn, that people keep secrets in Man's World for reasons other than simple malice, whereas people have no need for secrets on Paradise Island. It's also good for dispelling illusions and brainwashing.

Also it doesn't force you to just spill the beans willy nilly, it makes you answer questions that are asked of you.

That said, Diana is all about being true to yourself and your beliefs, that was one of Marston's intents. There have always been people who don't fit into society's norms, Diana is about embracing them with open arms and helping them love themselves.

>>115177940Well, her goal is to spread their philosophy and try to make the world just a little bit more like a paradise with every action.I'm sure she's aware the world might not be ready to understand some of these different people, and that many of them are not ready to show that side of themselves, but she'll do what she can to make the world a better place for them anyway.

That's why I see Diana as the bridge between these two worlds, she has to translate the messages of the Goddesses in a way that can work for our world.

>>115174713I've been jumped and beaten by black people so many times as a kid and teenager that I can't stand black people. I know I don't know them all, but if I see any I just assume they are up to no good. I know it's wrong and it embarrasses my friends when I act on guard around them but I can't help it.

>>115174713I'm a hypocrite. I lie to and condemn people for the same things i do in secret. I base my opinions on politics, videogames, movies and books based on opinions of YouTubers because i'm too stupid and lazy to formulate my own opinion. I'm scared of being the dumbest, shortest, ugliest and other -ests in company. AND I FAPPED DURING ROGGVIR'S EXECUTION!

Wouldn't the lasso getting into the hands of the law prove to be FAR more useful than whatever villains WW occasionally encounter?

Imagine, no more bullshit in court. Just a quick lasso and a confession and they're fucked. Can't even be used to coerce false confessions as it only compels the truth as they know it. Every money scamming piece of shit, every corrupt politician, every god damn crook will tell us their truth and behind bars they go. Put this early in the investigation of crimes and you'll save billions upon billions plus the time wasted going through the movements. More actually guilty people get fucked and less if any innocent are wrongfully convicted.

>>115178865Lie detectors aren't admissible evidence and in comics magic isn't either, so the Perfect probably wouldn't be admissible. They really only have Diana's word that it works 100% and nobody understands how it actually physically works so it'd be about as admissible as psychic premonitions in real life.

>>115178919You can easily verify it works though. Just keep throwing people at it where someone knows something about another person which the other person doesn't know the first person knows.

>I know this guy's real name, it's john smith>Ok let's ask him without lasso>What's your name?>Hi my name is Bobba Mcsson>Ok now hold this thing here>Sure>What's your name again?>IAM COMPELLED TO SAY JOHN SMITH>Yep we know and we knew from the start by these here documents plus this guy over here>Damn!

Keep pulling this shit and make statistics about the accuracy and kablam we got a tool still 99.99% more accurate than anything else ever conceived other than perhaps DNA.

>>115178639to be fair superman was being a real dick to him>what do you mean you don't know everything there is to know about Amazons even though this is the first contact they've had with our civilization for millennia? you're a shit detective Bruce!

>>115179032Man, being Zeus' daughter really fucked up a lot of shit about Diana huh? Especially the part which means that technically Hercules, the man that tried to rape and enslaved her whole tribe, is her half-brother.

>>115179005They've done similar tests with the lie detector, but it's still inadmissible. There's no way to prove its effectiveness scientifically because of observer bias and that it's impossible to do a blind test because truth and knowledge are subjective. And if they can't even scientifically explain how it works, it's impossible to prove infallibility.

That's just how the law works. Not only would you need consent to even perform the test, it'd be considered a coerced confession if they actually confessed.

>>115174678isn't that the same conversation where he basically says you can do all the things he tells you and you still won't be a Christian at death unless god, his father, personally invites you into the kingdom of heaven?

>>115179135>truth and knowledge are subjective>inb4 Dr. Fate or some other crazy magic villain comes along and goes I WILL CAST MAGIC AND DESTROY THE CONCEPT OF TRUTH and Diana proves her lasso is real truth by lassoing the spellCheckmate rationalists

>>115179098>the man that tried to rape and enslaved her whole tribe, is her half-brotherI mean, there is a shitload of rape surrounding the entire greek pantheon, with Zeus himself at the vanguard, its surprising she isn't a rape spawn

Seriously. Lie detectors are only really good at detecting autonomic arousal -- the internal reaction you get when you're nervous, angry, or excited. Their ability to detect "lies" relies entirely on the assumption that innocent people won't be nervous or angry when being interrogated, and these days they're really only used to threaten confessions out of people who think they actually work.

>>115179206>>115179203Honestly what bothers me about her solo that nobody, not even /co/ from what I can tell because y'all react with surprise every time I say anything about it, cares about is that Zeus' limited in-person appearance is depicted as wholle positive in Rebirth. It's hard not to be when your only on-screen appearance is to save your daughter from Darkseid and Grail, only to immediately get your life force siphoned so Darkseid can return back to full power. But still, Diana's so busy mourning him and using the power of love to asspull a win on Darkseid that she never, ever stops to consider little issues like "Hey dad, didn't you do all that rape and incest and parricide? What's up with that, huh?"

Come to think of it, Billy Batson and the other Marvel family members really should've had something to say about this shit a long time ago.

>>115179242Its because people barely, if ever, bring up the whole clusterfuck that the greek gods always surrounded themselves with, Zeus raped A LOT of people creating a truckload of problems and the gods punished anyone that striked their fancy, look at gordon who was raped by Poseidon and then punished by Athena for trying to hide from him in her temple.If they ever started to actually talk about all the atrocities the gods committed it would be pretty fucking hard to see them as anything but power mad monsters.What actually annoys me is that they always pick the most "normal" of the gods, Hades. and turn him into a villain when in legends he almost always spent his time managing the dead and didn't go around on rampages like every single one of his brothers

>>115179331The funny thing is the Perez run actually addressed this somewhat, with many of the Olympians being dismissive about the Amazon project initially and eating all kinds of humble pie like Darkseid having tricked the Romans into worshipping different aspects of them and so giving them an identity crisis.

But Rebirth? Nooooo, Rebirth sees what it thinks is an essential element of Diana's story and goes oh SHIT, we can't make THAT too grimdark! We can't possibly let THAT be seen in anything but a positive light because Diana Is Love and we can't write her being a cheerful bringer of compassion when her dad is King Rape of Rape Mountain can we?!

And then I guess they realised the other Olympians aren't much better.And that's why we got JLD quickly brushing over how mean they were to Hecate right before she came back, got revenge and died to some retarded OC villain just so-again, conveniently-the Olympians can be mysteriously gone from Olympus so readers don't have to dwell too long on how fucking awful Diana's extended family is.

Honestly, Darkseid and Grail were doing everyone a favor by eating all the Zeus demigods. Hell, I remember Grail mentioned one made people starve at her bidding.

>>115179160That's because some virtues don't come from men but from God Himself (supposedly God is very kind and generous but you can't save yourself without Him).>>115174842Moreso, it assumes that you know the truth, that it's there somewhere inside. If the lasso was put on me, I'm pretty sure the answer would vary depending on what hour it is if it's a personnal question.

>>115174713No one knows in my family why I take long baths. When I lay in the tub, I sometimes try to float on the water while it's draining. I enjoy the feeling of becoming heavier as it empties. I call it Iron Manning.

>>115179413Not relevant in the context of DC anyway, because the Presence is a fucking rat cunt. Literally more evil than Perpetua.

>Sent Gabriel to rape the virgin Mary to make Jesus (Constantine)>Endangered entire multiverses just to get one of his sons to rebel against him (Carey's Lucifer)>Punished Cain in such a way he gained a cult, briefly brought the Spectre to heel and was in arm's reach of raping the literal spirit of mercy (Final Crisis: Revelations)>Since it's implied something akin to the Great Darkness' invasion of DC happened in Rebirth, highly implicated to be the reason why the Otherkind (it's emissaries) are trying to invade reality (current JLD run)>Told angels to STOP fighting Lucifer (current Lucifer run that overwrites the older Lucifer reboot)

>>115174713I don't even know what would be my *most* embarrassing secret, but it's probably a race between:>I'm nearly 33 and more-or-less a virgin>I'm sexually attracted to teen bodies (no attraction to girls with the actual mind of a teenager, though, nor even a virginity fetish)>when I get angry I hit myself, and I get angry pretty easilyAll these things would be humiliating in real life, but by 4chan standards they're nothing special.

>>115174713The only thing keeping me from being a murderer is consequence. I have a genuine fear that if I was ever in a situation where it would never be traced back to me, I would kill pretty much any human being imaginable. Hell, I'm worried for the day I learn I have some terminal illness, because then fuck - what do I have to lose?

>>115179774I guess I should say "arguably a virgin" because different people have different opinions of what constitutes virginity. I fingerbanged a friend of mine once years ago and got my dick touched, but I had to finish myself off. I've never given or received oral or penetrative sex. Different people will disagree on whether that counts or not.

>>115179821It's impossible to name an exact age on it because different people develop at different times, so I'll just say I like slim, petite girls. And yes, there are adults that look like that as well, but they're what most people would consider a teenaged figure.

>>115179968By most religious standards you're technically still physically a virgin but morally you are not if you consider the Catholic sanctity of virginity.To quote, "The state of bodily integrity in either sex. This integrity may be physical or moral, and either factual or intentional. … trictly speaking, a person is physically a virgin unless he or she has had sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex. Moral virginity means the absence of any willful consent to venereal pleasure; again, strictly speaking, with a person of the opposite sex. Virginity is factual when, de facto, a person has not in the past sought or indulged in sexual pleasure; it is intentional when a person intends never to experience such pleasure, according to the previous distinctions made."

>It's impossible to name an exact age on it because different people develop at different times, so I'll just say I like slim, petite girls. And yes, there are adults that look like that as well, but they're what most people would consider a teenaged figure.Ah, I see.

>>115174634>WW uses lasso on me>she gets hours and hours of me explaining all the grotesque sexual things I would do to herJokes on you WWI'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me

>>115179135As other anons have said, lie detectors are shit. There's nothing to be gained when the statistics of its use are all over the place. The lasso would fare exponentially better and have scientific backing eventually as results stack up in its favor.

>>115181100It is around the start of the Rebirth run. The odd issues are flashbacks to Diana's origin story (it is super cute and you can't fuck up her origin anyway) the even ones are happening "now".

>>115175556Psyanon here. Jung, no. Freud, yes. Yes, Jung's works used Freud's as a base, but he extrapolated on it in a way that turned it from strictly philosophical to a practical, applied psychology. He wasn't a fan of Freud's "everything is about fucking your parents" approach.

Lots of people point to the invalidation of the Myers-Briggs test as proof that Jungian analytical psychology was bunk, but just as Jung took Freud out of the bullshit, the MBT put Jung's theory INTO the bullshit.

>>115174713 Don't know what would be my most embarrassing secret, so I'll put a few out. >I use two pieces of toilet paper instead of one because in case the crap is wet, I don't to have my fingers smelling like it even if I wash myself afterwards.>I once shit myself while coming back home with my mom from the cinema and eating a big portion of Nachos.>I'm a rigid follower. I don't know how to make even the simplest decisions and try to follow my instructions as best as possible. I also ask for the same directions a few times.>I might have device addiction.>I haven't read an entire book in so long I have a hard time reading comic pages continously. I've improved lately or at least gotten used to it, but I sometimes feel like I forget to enjoy myself.>I'm socially and mentally inept. I can't find things even when they're in front of me and I'm not that great at socialising. Probably have some weird thought process.>I think I might have something like this anon>>115177173 It's not just getting some jokes others say they laugh at so much or not crying at most things these anons post in feels thread, but a lack of emotion where it should be or used to be, which is something since I used to cry a lot. >I'm aware of many of my flaws, but don't do anything about them. I need someone or something to make me do things. Most of the things are because of stress or anxiety.

>>115178258My grandfather grew up as a white guy in Civil Rights-era Detroit and went through something similar, only difference being his dad enrolled him into martial arts so he could fight back. He got over his racism, but it took him 20 years

>>115178258>get your ass beat all the time and start to resent to people that do it to youNow you know why blacks hate whites anon and why you were getting your ass kicked in the process Break the cycle

>>115178865It would be unconstitutional. You have a right to not self-incriminate. "...; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;..." The lasso is pretty much a physical violation of the 5th Amendment, or would be in the hands of the government. Any statement taken under the influence of the lasso would be inadmissable in court.

>>115174842Wrong. An ego is only frail if its owner is a fucking retard. Any functional human being with at least 90 IQ can just "so what?" out of having said lies "ripped away" from them as you say and go on as if nothing had happened.

>>115185047They are? That’s some impressive pretending considering like I said-Rebirth literally has an arc about Zeus dying to save Diana, and at one point Aphrodite shows up and I’m pretty sure acknowledges her as a relative.

>>115178258>He a actually got beaten by niggersHahahahahahahaha. Jesus fuck, how weak can you get? You're pathetic, anon, and deserved to be fucking beaten. Hopefully you won't reproduce because your offpsring would be just as fucking weak as you.

>>115177940>Doesn't work outside of ThemysciraSpoiler, it doesn't work at all.

All of us, in our unrefined base state, are.. not so much evil but simply weak. Natural born human with no outside influence is uneducated, unintelligent, lazy, impatient, and bereft of any skills with which to help themselves... much less anyone else. Rather than wanting to be evil, it's more like being evil just comes with the fact of being born so weak and helpless. If you don't refine yourself, preying upon others is your only choice to get by. Even if only a minor skill, you have to have something you've learned or built to depend on for your own sake.

But admitting the person you are now is no good means accepting the current self is to be overcome rather than just 'accepted'.

Probably why Wondy can't seem to get the same respect. We all instinctively understand "just accept who you are" is snake oil.

If anything, the idea you are not just rotten is optimistic. Not to mention the notion you can change who you are if you try so it DOES become someone worthwhile. Everyone is born weak and helpless and not knowing. Do you think our greatest minds were all born knowing the fullness of Science and Philosophy right out of their mother's wombs?

>>115177940It doesn't even work ON Themyscira at the moment. It's bewildering how much they love throwing dark secrets into the Amazons' past. Keep in mind as far back as Darkseid War we had amazons trying to murder one of their own for seeing the queen give birth because I guess murderous suppression is the sign of an enlightened society.

>>115189178More to the point, Circe actually successfully becoming the goddess of all magic, Cheetah being part of the Perpetua crap and a full half of the Amazons running away with Grail really undercuts the message of love and peace when it was taught to Diana by people who were so impossibly shitty her worldview is less enlightened and more completely sheltered and built on lies in the context of her own narrative.

Fuck, Steve Trevor leaving her AGAIN even after love dying for a while was fixed all because she ran off to another dimension one too many times says more about the falliability of the human spirit than anything DC allows Diana to do does.

>>115189933no I was laying on the floor in the kitchen because I was too drunk to stand and I remember her groping me and kissing me and I ended up throwing up all over myself while trying to push her away but and her talking in a soft voice. Its fuzzy but it was by far the worst thing thats happened in my life

>>115189449I think I'm understanding what you mean better.But also I think that the self that Diana wants people to be true to is not the same as the self that is a sum of our knowledge and experiences, but the basic truth of our needs and desires.

Accepting who you are isn't about complacency and rejecting the need for any kind of spiritual or material growth, but an acknowledgement of the fact that everyone has their own path to walk. You can't find answers outside yourself if you don't know the questions that are inside of you.

>>115190088If she's happy and it helps her to understand her place in the world, I say leave her to it.I don't believe in any religion and think it's all nonsense but I see how people find meaning in it, it helps them make sense of the world and find peace and answers in it, and so I say more power to them.

>>115190084Nah. Diana got a movie and Donna doesn't, so I think DC won't give a shit about Donna for a long, long time.

>>115190128>Accepting who you are isn't about complacency and rejecting the need for any kind of spiritual or material growth, but an acknowledgement of the fact that everyone has their own path to walk. You can't find answers outside yourself if you don't know the questions that are inside of you.

While it's a good message, I think the problem then becomes the sheer enormity of say, Cheetah's crimes when Diana keeps trying to preach it at her starts becoming more grating than altruistic after a certain point. And after a while, just pathetic.

Or are we really going to pretend that Cheetah didn't throw in with Lex and Perpetua, and literally dive bomb Pearl Harbour as part of their plans?

>>115190297That's kind of the intrinsic problem of superhero universes that even Marston was aware of, which is why not many of Diana's old foes were recurring.

On one level I find it uplifting that Diana will always believe in Barbara but at the same time I can see why it could undermine her message.Either way, a big part of what makes me love Wonder Woman is that (when written properly) she never gives up on mankind or her faith in her message, no matter how strange the rest of the world thinks it is. It's something I try to take to heart myself even in the face of all the terrible things in the world that make it difficult to stay positive.

Idealism never succeeds in reality, but I suppose that's the point of fantasy.

>>115189892>says more about the falliability of the human spirit than anything DC allows Diana to do does.It speaks directly to why Wondy can't rise to the same level of respect as Superman or Batman. It's a message that sells naivety and zero effort as good values. Which people naturally recoil from even if they can't articulate why. Psychologically, her writers probably can't help but drive the story in a bad direction cause the truth is so inherent we understand it at a level of instinct. You can misuse your rationality to deny such an inherent truth, but it will not go away. It's a reality too strong to deny.

>>115190128There's still an inherent problem in this kind of assumption. You can't tell who you are at all, or what your needs and desires are, without putting effort in to refining yourself first. You have to realize yourself as a person first before all other things, and that is just an act of repetition of effort. Teach yourself new skills. Get in shape. Take up something worthy calling a labor. The worse you are suited to it the better. It has to be something you know you suck. Then try to win anyway.

>>115190677Honestly the message would be more uplifting if there was the slightest hint Barbara has anything, ANYTHING redeemable at all in her as a person in her characterisation. She does not. By supporting the Perpetua crap sheliterally favored turning all of humanity into amoral monsters for the sake of having some cosmic power at her fingertips. Hell the mega anniversary issue even had a story where Diana put Cheetah in the lasso and offered to, upfront, reverse her condition. And Cheetah goes "Fuck you, never" even though she has literally nothing to gain from remaining a werebeast abomination but revenge on someone who literally helped save her from the god who cursed her into the werecat thing in the first place in a story nobody fucking remembers anymore.

Idealism doesn't even succeed in comics now that it's canon the DC multiverse was meant to be a stupid evil cosmic deterrant to other cosmic beings aruguably even MORE evil than Perpetua given universes are meant to die and be "judged" by them and the World Forger thinks it's important the DC multiverse pass the test even though the end result is supposedly cosmic death anyway.

>>115191049It doesn't help that unlike Superman or Batman, a lot of Wonder Woman's greatest victories seem entirely down to contrivance, ignorance and coincidence. Did Wonder Woman know she could use love against Darkseid to rip the souls of her demigod and divine relatives out in Rebirth? No. Not until literally she was out of options. Then suddenly...it just works. Did Wonder Woman beat Cheetah and her god-killing sword by herself? No. A goddess threw her armor after Diana spent an entire issue getting her ass beat. Did Diana think over the moral culpability of Cheetah not just killing a distant relative, but given that distant relative was Aphrodite LOVE AS A CONCEPT for a while? No. There is no discussion of which jurisdiction Cheetah is answerable to. Diana literally gets in the way of due process so Cheetah can run off.

>>115176784>Except for Barbara Ann, you know I can't stay mad at that loveable scamp!>And Veronica Vale, who just had a hard life I'm sure>And Ares-oh wait, Ares isn't even part of my rogues gallery in Rebirth because he's done literally nothing wrong on-panel and stayed in his prison like a good boy until he awoke to justice>What do you mean Zeus and Hercules should be my rogues? They're my family! We all love each other? What's that you say Hercules rapedLALALALA CANT HEAR YOU he wrote an apology note he's a good boy>And Circe, who I believe MIGHT have good in her...but more importantly she's an immortal sorceress and honestly I don't understand magic nearly as well as I should>And Grail, because she keeps bullying me. Help me Bruce you're the only one with plot armor thick enough to stop her

>>115174713i had sex and thought it was rape and later on forgot what the birds and bees arei had to re-teach myself after fapping for the first time in a whileso i can't remember my first time but still think i raped someone, while forgetting sex in general

i don't think it's normal for my 14 year old self to forget sex and thought i raped someone

>>115174659>This scene was pure batwank.It's not even a new scene or idea, we see the same thing at the end of the one Batman Beyond episode for example.>"How did you know the voices weren't in your head?">"He kept calling me Bruce, that's not what I call myself".

>>115197800No, I didn't mean she had to be made from clay. It'd be better if the Amazons were allowed to leave once a year or so into mans world to find a man to fuck and get pregnant (no killing the dude afterwards). Diana having to earn her powers rather than being born with them makes her more admirable.

>>115198059It is not.It's even less impressive because she's just given those powers without having to work for them.Being born with them means that she had to work to make them worth a damn and didn't just become god tier out of nowhere.

You just dont' like it because she's not the virgin birth of the dyke queen of dyke island.

>>115198264>Being born with them means that she had to work to make them worth a damn and didn't just become god tier out of nowhere.That's literally what it means, you massive faggot. All godspawn have inherent powers. Being blessed allows the writer to work in a reason as to why she specifically was chosen to be blessed over others and be it a convincing reason.

>You just dont' like it because she's not the virgin birth of the dyke queen of dyke island.At this point you're just trolling. Go be a faggot somewhere else.

>>115193739See after Darkseid War he was killed twice and revived as a lil’ baby by his half-Amazon daughter (no it wasn’t rape, as far as we know. At least judging by everyone involved’s reactions. Some fucking how) Grail, and together they casually murdered nearly all of Zeus’ demigod children across the world to give Darkseid enough god energy to return to his original powerlevel. Darkseid ate Zeus at the end of this fight to go back to being the Hulk-like man-mountain mode you saw at the beginning of the New 52.

>>115195601I’m mostly bothered by it because instead of having a more independent take on Olympian morality you get idiot Diana going >they’re muh family!!! whenever the Olympians come up as a subject. Yeah sure it was real nice of you letting Aphrodite crash on your couch but you could’ve maybe asked her how the Trojan War went down.

Conveniently, Olympians tend to die around Diana quickly after she meets them so she can feel sad before thinking too deeply about who she’s feeling sad for. Except for Ares swho was treated as having had a redemption arc and run off for Great Justice.

>>115199485The entirety of Greek mythos is too vast and too goddamn weird to tackle in a WW book. Even her being blessed by them made me uneasy cause she somehow has to be the champion of a bunch of evil fucks with no remorse.

>>115174713am in love with a girl and I know I will never be good enough for her : she has everything and is surrounded by friends. Though I am one of the only one not acting creepy around her I feel like she talks with me out of pity and not interest

>>115202110She then gave birth in the middle of a battle between the Anti-Monitor (who at first was alluded to be a different entity than the Qwardian Mobius, but then Snyder re-retconned that so that Mobius was the A-M's original name and he just reincarnates so it's entirely valid to say the League was fighting the actual Anti-Monitor at that point, he just took off the Anti-Life Equation because he was sick of universe scale murder instead of fun personal scale murder) baby was later used to steal godhood powers from the Justice League members that had been turned into deities due to the universe trying to rebalance itself after Darkseid's death.

I swear, explaining factual plot points from Darkseid War and anything Snyder wrote feels worse than actually shitposting.

>Mobius just does what the Lasso of Truth tells him to in the most basic way possible, and tells Superwoman the Lasso of Submission ain’t shit because he spent his life bound to the Anti-Life Equation so it’s more like an annoying whisper