August 16, 2010

"The Taliban started throwing stones. We were also asked to throw stones. After a while, the Taliban left. The woman was dead but the man was still alive. Some Taliban then came and shot him three times. The Taliban warned villagers if anyone does anything un-Islamic, this will be their fate."

Just think if all those "moderate" Muslims looking on had, you know, DONE SOMETHING.

You know I keep hearing that the vast vast majority are peaceful and moderate and the radicals are just an infintestimal minority. Ok help me out because if it was such a tiny minority it stands to reason the radicals would be so marginalized that they'd be unable to do this kind of stuff.

Of course AlphaLiberal, Nanny Bloomberg and Big O will be absent on the thread where these barbarians stoned a woman to death.

Or they might issue a statement."People are free to follow their religion but I have no opinion on whether or not it is wise to stone a woman to death. I am too busy to comment on the stoning of every woman who gets on the wrong side of the Taliban."

It is a well known human experience that religions which condemns people for sins must also provide them with a sacrificial atonement for sin or everybody will be found guilty and killed sooner or later. Mohammed's revelation was simple. He strongly denied that Jesus was God's son who had died on the cross and experienced ressurection to show people are justified. In place of that atonement by the blood of God, Mohammed substituted the duty of jihad that kills others to act as a Muzlim's sacrificial system. It is openly a substitution religion created to displace the popular Judeo-Christian religioos communities. The goal of Islam has always been suppresion of Jews and Christians. In the meantime the poor Muzlims are held under an iron slavery to a miserable life of condemnation and legalism whose only good point is that it appeals to their pride.

However, HD, it is fair to say that the left, both in this country and Europe in general, don't really give a shit about freedom of speech when it comes to Islam versus, say, Christianity and Judaism. While not raising much of a finger at all to defend attacks/slander/satire of one, they seem to rush like lemmings toward the same of the latter two.

So, will POTUS be making a statement? How about Mme. Sec'y of State? After all, according to them, we are fighting the main battle against They-Who-Cannot-Be-Named in Afghanistan because they want to do things like this in Cleveland as well as Kunduz.

Didn't think so.

The reason isn't that Team O doesn't understand the barbarity of all this. There's an element of that lefty soft bigotry of low expectations going on here. What do you expect from a bunch that clings to their guns and religion?

Richard Dolan said... So, will POTUS be making a statement? How about Mme. Sec'y of State? After all, according to them, we are fighting the main battle against They-Who-Cannot-Be-Named in Afghanistan because they want to do things like this in Cleveland as well as Kunduz.==============I don't think anyone really buys the rationale that we are fighting the Taliban in their homeland and thus "saving" the Noble Freedom-Loving Democracy-Hungry Afghans until they are able to "stand up and fight", to save people in Cleveland - anymore.

As for grandiose statements, I would hope it would just be "My, that sucks and we of course deplore it! And hope you Pashtun villagers realize how barbaric it is and stop it. Assuming you can find time when you are not running opium or planting IEDs for killing Americans or kicking back 20% to the Karzai henchmen."

"And, PS, we are not the world's 911 service and if we once believed it, we now brokem think we have no moral obligation whatsoever to play Global Do-gooder anymore. Call China."

Hey, this religion is just as valid as and just as worthy as and morally equivalent to Christian and Jewish faiths.

Well alternatively, Judaism allows stoning for adultery, didya know that? Huh, didya, hypocrites! And Fundamentalist Christians are as bad, if not WORSE than the Taliban. The first is a point made on this board by some troll, and the second a position advanced by Rosie O'Donell, if not others.

The Drill SGT said... I was struck by the fact that the Taliban moved in after they discovered that the Germans were "nonconfrontational".

Sort of like the Brits in Iraq and the Dutch in Serbia.

God forbid the US Army should ever become nonconfrontational in a war.

====================On the other hand, if we were less confrontational in situations where our vital interests are not at stake, we wouldn't be out 1.2 trillion dollars and 40,000 casualties trying to "SAVE" people that don't save themselves.

Even w/o confrontation....we have stuck ourselves with the role of the Global Sugar Daddy. Troops to the rescue of anyone in any situation, anywhere.

"Even if those on the left have never "worshiped" Islam, they consistently go out of their way to tolerate Islams' various... uh, eccentricities."

No we don't. Show me where I did? Show me.

"..aspects of Islam--or the way it is practiced by so many of its followers-- stand in direct opposition to *supposedly* liberal principles."

I have no idea. Not sure you do either otherwise you wouldn't generalize like you do. How many of its followers here, in the United States, stand with stoning? 1? 100? how many? what are you talking about?

"But liberals set all that aside, as anyone who is opposed to America, capitalism, and Western values qualifies as an oppressed minority, deserving of special respect and tolerance."

Again, that sounds good until you try and figure out what you are saying and then it just falls apart. Are you saying if someone is oppressed that they don't deserve respect and tolerance? That's what you wrote? You don't believe that? Or were you linking the last part of that convoluted sentence to the opening clause which makes even less sense.

"Most disgusting lately is the Left's cold, analytical lack of feeling toward New Yorkers who are dealing with this WTC mosque."

Well you stepped in it this time. I lost friends there. I was working in NYC when the attack took place. My daughter did an overnight temp job in WT-1 and we were going for breakfast before I went to work and before she went home..and then the attack. I had to, and I assume you didn't, have to walk past the armed guards for a year at all the big train stations, the banks of pictures and flowers of "has anyone seen..." so sweetie, don't lecture me or New Yorkers on anything doing with this until you've been there done that.

I would dare to call you a pontificating little generalist with no brains but why waste breath and besides that must be what everyone is thinking anyway.

Maybe not you personally hdhouse but there have been plenty of liberals, on this blog and elsewhere that trip overthemselves to defend Islam who wouldn't for a second to do the same for Christianity.

Simply look at the denunciations from the liberal aisle over Draw Mohhamed day versus the defense of Piss Christ. The former was 'culturally insensitive' and bigoted while the latter was a celebration of First Amendment Rights.

You brought up your loss before, I am not unaware of it. I am terribly sorry for it.

The left has done everything it can over the years to try to minimize the significance of 9/11, and our response(s) to it. There is absolutely no denying that. People made fun of Giuliani for referring to it "too much".

And the sympathy on the left to New Yorkers is lacking, Freedom of Religion arguments notwithstanding. Maybe you don't agree, but that's the way I see it.

Hd what I never heard from you or your President is a clear and unambiguous denunciation of these murderous barbarians. Without any excuses…..”well they are not all like that you know….you have to understand their culture….we shouldn’t judge other societies by our values….all cultures are of equal value and should be treated the same.”

A clear and simple denunciation of these specific murderous religious fanatics in this specific instance without any qualification or caveats or weaseling.

But that simple statement is not possible for you or your President.

You still haven’t done it. And neither have others of your ilk. And you never will.

Islam is the core of their beliefs. It had everything to do with it. Even in the article they claim that they must be more islamic or die. Duh!!!

Well who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?

Again, this teeny tiny minority of radical jihadists certainly seems to hold a considerable amount of influence over the vast, massive majority of moderate Muslims. I mean I have a hard time imagining a group of Ayran Nation guys waltzing into my community and lasting more than 15 seconds before being beaten within a inch of their lives.

Again, this teeny tiny minority of radical jihadists certainly seems to hold a considerable amount of influence over the vast, massive majority of moderate Muslims. I mean I have a hard time imagining a group of Ayran Nation guys waltzing into my community and lasting more than 15 seconds before being beaten within a inch of their lives.

Moderate Muslims? Oxymoron if I ever heard one. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. It is a leftard fiction.

"On the other hand, we cannot paint all of Islam with that brush. ...We have to bring people together. And what offends me the most about all this, is that it's being used as a political football by both parties."