tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post212337843920893537..comments2020-01-22T03:50:12.336-08:00Comments on Botgirl's Digital Playground: You Don't Own CrapBotgirl Questihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-79633182024479715142008-11-11T15:43:00.000-08:002008-11-11T15:43:00.000-08:00I'm going to do another post that will address som...I'm going to do another post that will address some of the questions ya'll have raised. For now:<BR/><BR/>Alesia: I think the primary unique aspect of Second Life as compared to WoW is that people purchase virtual goods, versus acquiring them through game play. As Linden Lab has repeatedly stated, Second Life is not a game. :)<BR/><BR/>Dale: I think portions of their TOS are on the extreme side of what's out there. My main issue is the chasm between their public relations and marketing face, and their hardly-anyone-will-probably-ever-read-this TOS language. <BR/><BR/>soronishi: It seems to me that we can't control the external world, but we have a chance to influence it. We do have the potential to be in charge of our own thought and feelings and choose from whatever finite range of actions that is possible.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Dale:Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-14868707249207437262008-11-10T03:34:00.000-08:002008-11-10T03:34:00.000-08:00Well, that is true, Dale, but after you are shot, ...Well, that is true, Dale, but after you are shot, it doesnt really matter whether the assassin had the right or not. <BR/>The economic reality is that I dont have access to the law in any case and the law is biased towards those in power. Social sanctions are weighted that way too.sororNishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385408562954387986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-85368509120550206822008-11-07T18:05:00.000-08:002008-11-07T18:05:00.000-08:00I would disagree with that sorornishi; just becaus...I would disagree with that sorornishi; just because a right can be violated doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anyone with a sledge hammer and a gun back break into my house and shoot me, but they don't have the *right* to do that.<BR/><BR/>Rights are important because violations of rights are subject to social sanctions. (Jerkiness that isn't a rights violation is also subject to social sanctions, but generally milder ones.) <BR/><BR/>Given the ToS, that we have all obediently agreed to as bg points out, LL probably has the right, not just the power, to do all sorts of jerky things...Dale Innishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02771522211082181738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-83166904481709724802008-11-07T16:35:00.000-08:002008-11-07T16:35:00.000-08:00This may sound harsh, but I think that these rules...This may sound harsh, but I think that these rules apply in some circumstances in RL too. The police can come into my house and shoot me, or delete my bank account, in fact, don't the US see it as their right to do so anywhere in the world? <BR/><BR/>This doesnt happen very often, but those in power have never been subtle or considerate, the idea that we have rights is, in many ways, naiive. We have rights as long as it suits those in power to give them to us.<BR/><BR/>The rules can always change from one moment to the next.<BR/><BR/>We are in control of nothing, i think.sororNishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385408562954387986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-91384132300926208172008-11-07T15:09:00.000-08:002008-11-07T15:09:00.000-08:00Yeah, sure, this are the standard kinds of terms t...Yeah, sure, this are the standard kinds of terms that services always put in. <BR/><BR/>Why do they put them in? So that people are less likely to try to sue them if (say) LL decides that some item contains a copyrighted texture and that the easiest way to fix that is to just destroy every copy of that item on the Grid. Or anything else that they someday might find themselves wanting to do. <BR/><BR/>Why do they require us to sign a ToS with such awful stuff in it? Because we're perfectly willing to, and it reduces the number of lawsuits. So why not? :)Dale Innishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02771522211082181738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7329817540513850224.post-91891130102555987422008-11-07T14:54:00.000-08:002008-11-07T14:54:00.000-08:00How do these TOS compare to those of, say, WoW? I...How do these TOS compare to those of, say, WoW? I'd bet they're similar.<BR/><BR/>Possibly, their lawyers didn't quite think through how the "intellectual property" notion would not work too well with this provision 5.3. That *is* kind of different from the way things have been done. Lawyers don't do too well with new things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com