It's been a month since I've posted in this thread, so it's time for an update. While most Occupy camps have been shutdown, Occupy DC is in full force. The Health Inspector has shut down their kitchen because of an infestation of rats. My only question is how they could distinguish between the rats and the protesters, but I digress. They also found a 13 month old girl left unattended in a camp in 40 degree temperatures and rain. How responsible is that?

I forgot to mention earlier that a woman placed her young child on railroad tracks to block trains during the Occupy Oakland shutdown of the port. How many of you support this dispicable behavior? Also, I know that the Democratic Socialists of America and Communist Party USA are already planning for a second wave of Occupy Wall Street protests in the spring or summer.

Do you stand with Americans or the Socialists and Communists wanting to "fundamentally transform" our country. Your choice.

There’s no longer room at the inn at a Manhattan church that’s sheltering Occupy Wall Streeters after a holy vessel disappeared from the altar last week.

When the Rev. Bob Brashear prepared for Sunday services at West Park Presbyterian Church on West 86th Street, he noticed parts of the bronze baptismal font were gone.

In a fire-and-brimstone message to occupiers later that day, he thundered, “It was like pissing on the 99 percent.”

In Brooklyn, at another church housing OWS protesters, an occupier urinated on a cross, according to Rabbi Chaim Gruber, who has angrily abandoned the OWS movement.

In a letter last week to OWS obtained by The Post, the rabbi fumed, “The Park Slope church housing occupiers was desecrated when an occupier peed inside the building and the pee came into contact with a cross.”

The pastor of the church did not return calls.

At West Park, Rev. Brashear walked into the church for a morning service to find the 18-inch-diameter bronze basin and lid missing from the baptismal font’s 800-pound base. Holy water — straight from the River Jordan — had been poured from the missing basin insert into the base’s bowl.

About 60 occupiers had rolled out their sleeping bags between the pews the night before as part of their evening ritual, Rev. Brashear recalled. When they returned to the church later, following the pastor’s discovery, he issued a stern warning: “You have 24 hours to find it and to come up with an amends and to come up with a plan. ‘I’m sorry and it won’t happen again’ won’t work,” he scolded.

The artifact vanished just three weeks after a $2,400 Apple MacBook vanished from Brashear’s office. He told the occupiers that even when the 100-year-old Upper West Side church extended help to addicts during the 1980s drug scourge, no visitors touched its $12,500 sacramental instrument.

“Not even crackheads messed with that,” he said.

The pastor and a worshipper finally found the missing basin tossed into a small room connected to the church. The lid is still missing. The pastor has given protesters two weeks to vacate the church.

Officials said Sunday that arrests from the Occupy Oakland protests the day before could reach 400 and vowed to seek restitution from those who vandalized City Hall.

Mayor Jean Quan said the city would seek monetary damages from protesters. In addition, the mayor said she would pursue “restorative justice” by asking that those deemed guilty be put to work picking up garbage and removing graffiti in East Oakland -- a crime-ridden pocket where Quan has singled out 100 blocks for concentrated resources

Quan condemned the local movement’s tactics as “a constant provocation of the police with a lot of violence toward them” and said the demonstrations were draining scarce resources from an already strapped city. Damage to the City Hall plaza alone has cost $2 million since October, she said, about as much as police overtime and mutual aid.

Police had their hands full dealing with protesters, some of whom smashed display cases, cut electrical wires and burned an American flag at City Hall.

Oakland has logged five homicides since Friday, added Oakland Police Department spokeswoman Johnna Watson. "If we have to take our law enforcement officers to pay attention to Occupy Oakland, then we are not serving the city residents who need us most," Watson said.

News reports said 200 calls for police service had not been promptly answered Saturday night while officers were engaged in a cat-and-mouse chase with demonstrators.

Saturday’s Occupy action was publicized by the group as a planned takeover of a vacant building that would be "repurposed" as a "social center, convergence center and headquarters of the Occupy Oakland movement." In an open letter to Quan on Wednesday, the group warned that if police attempted to thwart the takeover, "indefinite occupation" of Oakland's airport, port and City Hall could follow.

The takeover effort was unsuccessful.

Police prevented an afternoon attempt by protesters to enter the city’s idled Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center. Demonstrators then headed to the nearby Oakland Museum of California, where arrests occurred after an order to disperse was ignored. One officer suffered a cut to his face when a demonstrator threw a bicycle at him, another suffered a cut hand and a third was bruised, Watson said. At least one demonstrator was injured.

Later in the night, marchers entered the downtown Oakland YMCA, where hundreds of arrests took place. The City Hall break-in occurred about the same time, officials said.

Throughout the action, some demonstrators threw bottles and other objects at officers. In a tactic that officials said they had not previously confronted, protesters also moved in on the police line carrying elaborate shields. One such shield, on display at City Hall on Sunday, was about 6 by 4 feet and built of corrugated metal on wood panels, complete with multiple handles. “Commune Move In” was painted on the front of the shield.

“The shields are becoming stronger, larger and more mobile,” Watson said. “We’re in a dangerous area for law enforcement.... We are being assaulted, and when we react to those assaults, we can’t penetrate shields like this.”

Occupy Oakland’s media committee issued a statement condemning the police actions, saying officers did not give demonstrators enough time to disperse before moving in to make mass arrests. Several journalists were detained along with protesters.

“Contrary to their own policy, the OPD gave no option of leaving or instruction on how to depart,” the group said in a news release. “These arrests are completely illegal, and this will probably result in another class action lawsuit against the OPD, who have already cost Oakland $58 million in lawsuits over the past 10 years.

“With all the problems in our city, should preventing activists from putting a vacant building to better use be their highest priority?” the group asked. “Was it worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spent?"

In a morning tour of the damaged City Hall, Quan pointed out that a room with a smashed door and toppled soda machine is used for classes for low-income, first-time homeowners.

City Council agendas and other trash littered the floor in the building’s grand lobby. Although some graffiti had already been removed, evidence of the previous night’s mayhem was visible in broken display cases. A student art exhibit had been damaged and wires severed in the building’s electrical box. Quan said video showed that the crowd gained entry after a man forced a crowbar between the front doors of the historic building and depressed the emergency release bar on the inside.

Near the door, a more than century-old architectural model of the regal structure was toppled in its case. Oakland’s City Hall was built after the1906 earthquake and “lovingly restored” after the 1989 Loma Prieta temblor.

“It’s really a symbol of how resilient Oakland is,” Quan said of the building. “And we’ll survive this too.”

Just to be clear, I don't recall the Tea Party vandalizing any property, do you? How about resisting arrest? How about trespassing? How about defecating or urinating on public property? That would be a NO on all accounts. And yet, you support these fools. Sad.

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February 2nd, 2012, 4:15 am

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

to be fair I dont think I've ever seen him support the people doing it per say....just that he supports the ideas behind it.

The problem stems from what I have complained about all along. no leader and no purpose just leads to mischeif. thats why the occupy movement has been an epic fail in my mind.

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February 2nd, 2012, 1:53 pm

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

regularjoe12 wrote:

to be fair I dont think I've ever seen him support the people doing it per say....just that he supports the ideas behind it.

The problem stems from what I have complained about all along. no leader and no purpose just leads to mischeif. thats why the occupy movement has been an epic fail in my mind.

I still have yet to figure out what the "movement" stands for. I hear well articulated opinions from people OUTSIDE of the movement (i.e. people that are NOT down there "occupying"), but every opinion/position I hear from the people actually on the ground is ridiculous garble about getting stuff for free and screwing rich people, and rich people not paying enough in taxes. I hear them complain about their "right to free speech" which apparently includes the right to defile public property, statues that are over 100 years old, and disobey general rules of public safety, but I don't hear anyone address other people's rights to be in the same park without being attacked, their right to see the INTENDED speech of the statue that was placed on public grounds over 100 years ago, and the right to enjoy a park not infiltrated dirty, obnoxious people inciting a riot.

February 2nd, 2012, 3:17 pm

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

well the idea behind it all was supposed to be masses gathering together to point out how lopsided the system has become.

The problem is that idea never got focused down to actually having a point and /or doing anything to actually improve things.

I am no supporter of the movement as I believe that complaining as an individual is no different that gathering up a group of people and complaining. The whole thing COULD have lead to some serious thoughts to ponder...but since no one took control, and no one set any kind of specific goals it was doomed to fail.

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February 2nd, 2012, 4:34 pm

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

regularjoe12 wrote:

well the idea behind it all was supposed to be masses gathering together to point out how lopsided the system has become.

The problem is that idea never got focused down to actually having a point and /or doing anything to actually improve things.

I am no supporter of the movement as I believe that complaining as an individual is no different that gathering up a group of people and complaining. The whole thing COULD have lead to some serious thoughts to ponder...but since no one took control, and no one set any kind of specific goals it was doomed to fail.

I understand the point, but I don't necessarily agree with it. The income gap has grown, but the "top 1%" is a dynamic group of people that changes often. That said, most can't even state it that articulately, and just scream obscenities. It seems more of a playground for malcontents than it does an official "movement." What bothers me is that newscasters use the "numbers" game to suggest the "size" of the "movement" but most of the people there don't know sh!t... They literally can't tell you what the movement is about.

What seems to be the biggest difference to me is the shrinking of the manufacturing sector, and the loss of literally millions of above average pay grade jobs.

Surely executive pay has grown tremendously, but I don't see that as part of the problem. Not all of them "deserve" their salaries, but businesses should still be able to pay whatever they want to land the best person that they feel deserves the job. Any talk of "capping executive pay" to me just seems ridiculous.

February 2nd, 2012, 5:49 pm

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

i agree completely!

I understand the frustrations of the "99%". there are parts of the system that are aimed at kicking the little guy and keeping the poor poor.

Look at drivers responasiblity fees. if you get caught without insurance you get 2000.00 tacked on to any leagal fees to pay over the next 2 years. now if your are driving without insurance what are the odds that you can afford it and are choosing not to have it? pretty low right?

But the systems answer is to take someone too poor to be able to afford insurance and take MORE money from their pocket? how does that make any sense? what ever happened to community service? wouldn't that be a more beneficial option for all? but alas community service basically doesn't exsist anymore (as Im sure you already know)

But this is a specific example. and one that if addressed could find a solution. The occupiers never did anything like this. they general just wined and cried (well those that got heard anyhow) and never offered specific problems or reasonable solution ideas. Had they stopped with generalized complaints and gotten specific and demanded to talk to people who can actually make a change maybe the "movement" (or lack thereof) could have meant something...as it stands...it's more of an embarrassment IMO

EDIT: If you had to classify me in this mess, I would be an occupy sympathizer...but NOT a suporter. I empathize with what the intentions are...but untill someone puts this together and gets it organized I want no part of it and wish it would GO AWAY

Just to clarify my views once again, this bowel movement has been organized by, supported by, funded by, and has had active participation by communists and socialists. Since my motto is, "The only good commie is a dead commie", I guess it's pretty obvious why I don't like them very much.

Furthermore, if it was up to me, I wouldn't call in the riot police to evict an occupied park. I'd call in an airstrike and drop a 2,000 pound JDAM on the parasites. I'm guessing that after the first camp was vaporized, the rest of the camps around the country would scatter like the rats that they are. Problem solved. Now, before anyone gets their panties in a wad over my last comment, I'm the same guy that wants a minefield along the Mexican border, so atleast I'm consistent. I offer real solutions for real problems.

Did This Teen Murder His Parents Over Their Opposition to His Alleged Occupy Oakland Involvement?Posted on February 1, 2012 at 8:01am by Billy Hallowell

The Occupy movement has had both a resurgence in terms of protest activity and media coverage. Following arrests this week in Oakland and New York, a disturbing story is coming out of California, where prosecutors claim Moses Kamin, a 15-year-old boy, murdered his foster parents and subsequently stuffed their bodies into a car.

Now it may seem odd that this allegedly gruesome act would be connected to the Occupy movement — and it‘s entirely possible that it’s not — but let’s take a look at what we know so far. The boy, who will be tried as an adult, was apparently fighting with his foster parents over the time he was spending at the Occupy Oakland camp. After all, what parent wants his or her young and impresionable teenager hanging out around those shenanigans?

“Coworkers said the couple had been arguing with their foster son. Some of the fights were over him spending too much time in the Occupy Oakland encampment,” reports KTVU.com. “A family friend told KTVU that those arguments were not what led to the killings but would not say what did.”

The International Business Times has more:

Moses Kamin was arraigned in Alameda County Superior Court for allegedly murdering Robert Kamin, 55, and Susan Poff, 50. Kamin faces two counts of murder and, if convicted, a life sentence without the possibility of parole.

Police detained the youth on Friday after the bodies of his foster parents were discovered in a red PT Cruiser parked outside the family house, according to the Oakland Tribune. Scorch marks were found on the car because Kamin had attempted to set the gas tanks on fire. After he confessing the details of the crime, police said, they formally arrested him on Saturday morning.

Kamin was adopted by Kamin, a clinical psychologist in the San Francisco jail system, and Poff, a physician with the San Francisco Department of Public Health’s Housing and Urban Health Clinic, in 2002.

In November, police claim that Kamin, who has a black belt in karate, ran away to protest with the Oakland Occupiers. It is suspected that the young boy may have even burglarized his own home and stolen the family car. Clearly, he was a troubled youth who was engaging, according to reports, in various acts of defiance.

Kamin was also recently suspended from school on a number of occasions. Tensions surrounding these incidents, sources say, may have created a portion of the motive. While there’s no telling how much time the boy spent at Occupy Oakland and how much influence the movement had on his thinking, the connection — and his parents opposition to his alleged involvement — is noteworthy.

Authorities suspect that he first strangled his mother following an argument. Then, after waiting for his father to come home, he attacked and murdered him as well. When his father didn’t show up to work the next day, concerned co-workers alerted police and the bodies were inevitably discovered after they questioned the teen.

As noted, Kamin’s father was a psychologist in the San Francisco jail system. Considering this background, he surely would have had the skills to assist in son in dealing with whatever traumatic issues he was internally facing. Sadly, the story didn’t end that way.

“Bob’s strength was dealing with people in jail, who are in terrible situations and very demanding,” said Robert’s brother Bruce Kamin. “It‘s too bad that his own son couldn’t benefit from that.”

While he initially denied the crime, Kamin has since admitted to strangling his adoptive mother and father. He faces two counts of murder and could receive a life sentence with no chance of parole.

Here's my issue with the occupy movement... They are against everything, but for nothing. They occupied Rhode Island the other day, and protested a catholic event that was pro-life and threw condoms at catholic school girls, all while the state denied them access to a homeless shelter and the catholic church actually gave them housing to stay instead of camping in the street.

Then Planned Parenthood held a pro-choice rally....and none of the occupiers showed up to support it. Isn't standing for something supposed to be as important for standing against something?

Also, the pro-life, pro-choice argument has nothing to do with economics that the 99% supposedly is all about. They're proving their left bias with their latest endeavors. Of course the above event won't ever be covered by CNN or MSNBC because it paints the occupy movement in negative light. They can't even spin the police brutality because the Catholics at the event didn't retaliate.

On page one of this thread, I explained what this bowel movement is all about, but some people don't want to listen to me. Do so at your own peril. The law of unintended consequences always comes into play.

For instance, if the banking industry forgives every student loan like OWS wants, what do you think will happen? I know, but I'm interested in what the OWS crowd thinks will happen instead. I'll be waiing for a response.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

thts easy, we'd be paying tax money to bail out sally mae and freddy mack and it would become rediculously impossible to get a new student loan