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Blackflag on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/3#post-5357990
Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:59:55 +0000Blackflag5357990@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>I think people are getting so wound up about this simply because for most of us a couple of grand on a mountain bike is a very big investment. It takes a very strong will to genuinely not care that the industry is now telling us the bikes we have invested so much in over the past few years are a bit crapper than the new wonder sizes. And im sure people are also nervous about buying a new bike and getting it wrong.</p>
<p>I rode a 29er for the first time last week and its ability to roll down tech decents and nail rooty climbs was outstanding compared to my 26 cotic, but at the same time it felt a lot less lively and less fun. </p>
<p>I'm sticking with 26 for a while till all this settles down...
</p>Macavity on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/3#post-5357342
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</p>bencooper on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/3#post-5345728
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:15:25 +0000bencooper5345728@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Everyone laughed at my 29" rear / 26" front idea - might just build that and sod the lot of you...
</p>wwaswas on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/3#post-5345548
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:34:41 +0000wwaswas5345548@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>ben, just carry lots and plug int he one that's currently in vogue/suitable for the terrain as the need arises?</p>
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</p>bencooper on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/3#post-5345536
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:31:31 +0000bencooper5345536@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Argh, stop it. I'm building myself my first new bike for a long time - I've got the tubing laid out, the dropouts and braze ons, the design mostly sorted, and I was going to make it 26" because that's what I've always ridden. Then people convinced me it had to be 29" - you'll never look back, I was told, it's so much better.</p>
<p>Now, apparently, this new size which is almost 26" is the answer.</p>
<p>If someone invents a new wheel size next week, when I'm half-way through building this frame, I'm going to be very, very cross.
</p>Mostly Balanced on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5345501
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:21:44 +0000Mostly Balanced5345501@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>It used to be said that 29 inch wheels would explode and kill you.<br />
With 650B being a bit smaller do they just go 'poof' and .................
</p>maurizio on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5345486
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:18:36 +0000maurizio5345486@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Gah. Cumon now- surely ths most important factor is bike design (after the rider, ofc!) , regardlsss of what crappy wheelsize your running
</p>slackalice on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5345270
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:01:05 +0000slackalice5345270@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Is there the same evangelical fawning going on about 650b by the brown-nosing journo's in WMB and MBR as they did when 29'ers came along? I no longer read either because I found their sycophantic BS on the bigger wheel's irritating to the extreme and found myself becoming anti 29'r because of it.</p>
<p>So I do kinda get why some people are anti 650, it being perceived that someone else, this time the 'industry' is telling them what to ride. </p>
<p>As for my own belligerence regarding 29, I have eased up on that with adopting a 'don't knock it until I try it' approach. Hasn't made me any more inclined to try one though, just more accepting <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>JCL on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5345154
Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:34:18 +0000JCL5345154@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>They could easily blame the bike (wheelbase, tires or head angle for example) but do not. The only bike blaming I ever see goes onto 29in wheels, which definitely have handling/manuverability limitations in small spaces and tight corners. Why would you put up with that just so you can go a bit faster on the flats/climbs????</blockquote></p>
<p>Funny because on our trails I see a lot of riders struggling on the climbs on 26" AM bikes or having issues on the descents on 26" trail bikes. If you have to climb and descend on one bike a good 29" is in another world.
</p>velomanic on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5345067
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:30:09 +0000velomanic5345067@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>I knocked an hour off my time in this years Isle of Man end 2 end on a 29er. I know I'm a bit fitter, the course was slightly shorter, and it was not as windy, but still went from 5 hr 15 on a zesty, to 4 15 on a hardtail stumpy 29er.</blockquote></p>
<p>I knocked an hour off my time in this years Isle of Man E2E too - on the same bike I rode last year!</p>
<p>Well done on the 4 hr 15 @thomasgeorge, credit where it's due!
</p>martinxyz on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344944
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:37:33 +0000martinxyz5344944@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>But I bet you've had plenty of 26 inch riders who would have used a convenient excuse like wheel size if they'd had one.</blockquote></p>
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</p>jameso on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344759
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:55:38 +0000jameso5344759@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>onto 29in <strike>wheels,</strike> <strong>frames with poor geometry</strong> which definitely have handling/manuverability limitations in small spaces and tight corners.</blockquote> maybe? it's easier to blame the wheels tho. unless you're riding crazy-tight stuff but in all the alpine riding I've done (nowhere near as much as many, but enough) I've not seen much that is really that tight that 1.5" of wheel radius makes or breaks it.
</p>allmountainventure on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344732
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:49:23 +0000allmountainventure5344732@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote> Northwind - But I bet you've had plenty of 26 inch riders who would have used a convenient excuse like wheel size if they'd had one.POSTED 21 HOURS AG</blockquote></p>
<p>They could easily blame the bike (wheelbase, tires or head angle for example) but do not. The only bike blaming I ever see goes onto 29in wheels, which definitely have handling/manuverability limitations in small spaces and tight corners. Why would you put up with that just so you can go a bit faster on the flats/climbs????
</p>fizzicist on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344563
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:58:59 +0000fizzicist5344563@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Meh, All that I know is than in an XC race I go a lot faster for longer on my 29er than I ever did on my 26er. </p>
<p>But my 26er is also hilarious fun at trail centres and descending. You pays your money, you log onto stw and get all judgemental. Just ride your friggin bike and smile.
</p>robbieh on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344462
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:32:38 +0000robbieh5344462@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Just think, without different wheel sizes this forum would only have half the threads and journo,s nowt to write about! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>MidlandTrailquestsGraham on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5344074
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:22:25 +0000MidlandTrailquestsGraham5344074@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>...just ride what you have and have fun and you will no matter what size wheel you have, who cares what others are riding.</blockquote><br />
You are completely missing the point here.<br />
What size wheels other people have got on their bikes is the most important thing in cycling, ever.<br />
We need more threads on the subject. There should be at least two on the front page at all times.
</p>Normal Man on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5343955
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:39:08 +0000Normal Man5343955@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>Mostly Balanced - Member<br />
My 26er is brilliant at some things and my 29er is brilliant at others.<br />
I really don't want to pay for a bike that is never going to be the best at anything</blockquote></p>
<p>I really agree with this.
</p>roverpig on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5343932
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:33:02 +0000roverpig5343932@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>So what you're telling us here is that the slower bike/wheel size is actually better. </blockquote></p>
<p>No, I'm just saying that the bike that feels the fastest isn't always the bike that is the fastest. Often quite the reverse. The bike that feels stable at speed allows you to go faster precisely because it doesn't feel as fast. I'm certainly not saying anything about "better" though, that's totally subjective. As is fun. Plenty of folk seem to prefer to ride their hardtails down trails even though they know they will be slower than a full suss, for example.
</p>Mostly Balanced on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5343916
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:26:25 +0000Mostly Balanced5343916@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>My 26er is brilliant at some things and my 29er is brilliant at others.<br />
I really don't want to pay for a bike that is never going to be the best at anything.
</p>aracer on "29 v 650b interesting stats/propaganda?"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/29-v-650b-interesting-stats/page/2#post-5343857
Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:07:03 +0000aracer5343857@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>I'd say the reasons would be more to do with the underlined.</blockquote></p>
<p>But they're all extremely insignificant things - surely it's the wheel size which made all the difference?</p>
<p><blockquote>Going down, you are right to say that it's the sense of speed that matters and, as has been pointed out already" this is different to actual speed. The fastest bike often gives very little sense of speed, which is what makes it faster.</blockquote></p>
<p>So what you're telling us here is that the slower bike/wheel size is actually better.
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