When one person can cause the system so much grief, the system needs to be modifed.

That's nice. Got any suggestions? Larry seems even better at finding new IP addresses than some others who could be mentioned.

So, maybe send an email request for confirmation for each comment entered? Use a registration system like Typekey? Set up so that all comments are moderated and will not be published until the post contributor approves them? If the thing being targeted by the troll is the openness of the system, pretty much any of these hands them a win.

I don't think that something drastic should be done that's not already being done. As a matter of fact, it doesn't even matter if Larry is not banned right away and has time to post some gibberish before you track him down: All Larry wants now is to draw some attention to himself by pretending to be a martyr. He probably visits other forums where he posts links to his comments here, to show how the panda's thumb is just a faschist site that bans all dissenters and deletes their comments- and he's the hero who defies them. So, if there's anything more to be done, this is what it is (in my opinion): Every time another incarnation of his gets banned, provide a preset link to a text explaining who he is, what his behavior here was, and his actions that led to his permanent banning (after a long period of tolerance).If anyone prompted by Larry to come here is able to see a small summary of his stupidity, it would make his pathetic efforts for attention even more laughable.

--------------A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome. †And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Larry is posting again under the name 'Nobody' in PT's thread 'The next time ID people cry censorship'. And of course, people are feeding him. Is someone going to delete his posts, or have they given up?

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

I believe in an IDOL (Infinite designer of life )Chaos comes naturally. Order is ‚Äúmind made‚ÄĚ.

Creation 101

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second dayGen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

When I posted the same topic on "Google talk origins", someone posted,"You err." and he quoted where God said,"I create darkness and I create light."

While taking a break, I jotted down my reply on a scratch pad: "It's simple. If he chooses, he turns off the light." I walked into my computer room to post, turned on the switch and the light bulb blew.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Jesus said, ‚Äú I am the light of the world.He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness.‚ÄĚI have never known a leader that had a guide,a pathfinder a path, or a trailblazer a trail.

When I posted the same topic on "Google talk origins", someone posted,"You err." and he quoted where God said,"I create darkness and I create light."

While taking a break, I jotted down my reply on a scratch pad: "It's simple. If he chooses, he turns off the light." I walked into my computer room to post, turned on the switch and the light bulb blew.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Jesus said, ‚Äú I am the light of the world.He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness.‚ÄĚI have never known a leader that had a guide,a pathfinder a path, or a trailblazer a trail.

Scientists at The Scripps Research Institute have successfully converted an RNA enzyme (ribozyme) into a DNA enzyme (deoxyribozyme) through a process of accelerated in vitro evolution. The molecular conversion or transfer of both genetic information and catalytic function between these two different genetic systems, which are both based on nucleic acid-like molecules, is exactly what many scientists believe occurred during the very earliest period of earth's existence.

The courtroom sketch of Judge Jones is too flattering -- it shows him with his hand on his chin, as if he is actually thinking !

I have been so busy finding flaws in the Dover decision that I missed an obvious one: Considering the great breadth of the decision -- banning even the mere mention of ID in public-school science classrooms forever -- why was the decision based to such a great extent on just a single ID book, <i>Of Pandas and People</i> ? The name of the <i>Pandas</i> book appears no less than 74 times in the 139-page Dover opinion. There are several other books that promote ID -- <i>Pandas</i> just happened to be the book chosen by the Dover Area school board.

Sorry that you don't like the judge's ruling. Please feel free to whine, weep, moan, groan, jump up and down, and throw as many hissy fits as you want to over it. After all, it simply DOES NOT MATTER whether you like the decision or not. All that matters is that you FOLLOW it. If you don't, then we'll sue the crap out of you. (shrug)

<quote author="Larry">I have been so busy finding flaws in the Dover decision that I missed an obvious one: Considering the great breadth of the decision ‚ÄĒ banning even the mere mention of ID in public-school science classrooms forever ‚ÄĒ why was the decision based to such a great extent on just a single ID book, Of Pandas and People ? The name of the Pandas book appears no less than 74 times in the 139-page Dover opinion. There are several other books that promote ID ‚ÄĒ Pandas just happened to be the book chosen by the Dover Area school board.</quote>

Larry has been so budy trying to find flaws in the Dover decision and yet none of them really survived closer scrutiny. Pandas and People was used to implement the Dover ID policy. Based on Pandas and People as well as extensive expert testimony (I wonder if Larry is even aware of the available transcripts) show not just how the Dover board was trying to bypass the constitutional protections but also how ID, which was claimed to be 'scientifically relevant' failed as a science.

That there may be other books promoting ID is irrelevant Larry. As are most of your contrived objections to the excellent Dover decision.

Larry of course is ignoring the fact that other books on ID were in fact explicitly included in the decision (not to mention the testimony based upon other writings by the authors), and that many of the references to Pandas in the decision were in regards to the decision to purchase it, not the actual content.

Larry of course is ignoring the fact that other books on ID were in fact explicitly included in the decision (not to mention the testimony based upon other writings by the authors), and that many of the references to Pandas in the decision were in regards to the decision to purchase it, not the actual content.</quote>

Are you claiming Larry ignores inconvenient evidence? I am shocked sir! OK, maybe I am not (shocked that is).

<quote>The courtroom sketch of Judge Jones is too flattering ‚ÄĒ it shows him with his hand on his chin, as if he is actually thinking !

I have been so busy finding flaws in the Dover decision that I missed an obvious one: Considering the great breadth of the decision ‚ÄĒ banning even the mere mention of ID in public-school science classrooms forever ‚ÄĒ why was the decision based to such a great extent on just a single ID book, Of Pandas and People ? The name of the Pandas book appears no less than 74 times in the 139-page Dover opinion. There are several other books that promote ID ‚ÄĒ Pandas just happened to be the book chosen by the Dover Area school board.</quote>

Nice to see you acknowledging April Fool's Day, Larry. And here I thought you had no sense of humor.

The courtroom sketch of Judge Jones is too flattering ‚ÄĒ it shows him with his hand on his chin, as if he is actually thinking!

I have been so busy finding flaws in the Dover decision that I missed an obvious one: Considering the great breadth of the decision ‚ÄĒ banning even the mere mention of ID in public-school science classrooms forever ‚ÄĒ why was the decision based to such a great extent on just a single ID book, Of Pandas and People ? The name of the Pandas book appears no less than 74 times in the 139-page Dover opinion. There are several other books that promote ID ‚ÄĒ Pandas just happened to be the book chosen by the Dover Area school board.</quote>

His Name is Legion couldn't understand a comprehensive legal opinion, never mind find a flaw...

I would like to protest in no uncertain terms that the previous post by J Simes was not in fact written by me, despite the name on it. First of all, it is an outrage to think that I would stoop to read the Dover decision. The twentytwo lawsuits which I have brought against the Federal Government have given me an expertise in the American legal system surely surpassing that of any lawyer, and I can confidently tell you without reading it that Judge Jones' ruling is completely illegitimate and will be shortly overturned. If you do a global search, you will see that Judge Jones' ruling contained the word 'the' over 1,200 times -- the same number as found in Karl Marx's <i>Communist Manifesto</i>, a book about communism, and the same number as found in the closing arguments of murderer OJ Simpson's fourteen lawyers, who, by the way, probably demanded inexcusably high hourly fees throughout the trial, a fact which Judge Jones failed to address <b>even once</b> in his supposedly exhaustive indictment of Intelligent Design. (So much for Judge Jones being a responsible pulic servant.) And all this was done on the taxpayers' dime. The good people of Pennsylvania surely deserve better.

I am also disturbed by the shameful cowardice of the Ohio Board of Education. I heard something to the effect that the government hired well over a hundred attorneys, all of them probably charging inexcusably large hourly fees. Why was this necessary? The forces of the Darwinists should certainly have needed no more than one lawyer, preferably working <i>voir dire</i>, which I'm pretty sure is a real legal term that real (overpaid) lawyers use, meaning 'to work for free'. Why were the Darwinists lawyers not willing to work <i>voir dire</i> in Ohio? Didn't they think their cause was important enough? This is something none of the evolutionists will talk about, no matter how much they may crow about their so-called victory in Pennsylvania. I find this hypocrisy appalling.

Ever since their little ‚Äúvictory‚Äú against ID in Dover, Darwinists have been trying to give the false impression that all criticisms of Darwinism are ID. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many criticisms of Darwinism in fact are Creationist, and since Intelligent Design and Creationism have nothing in common, this proves that criticism of the standard totalitarian Darwinist orthodoxy comes from all corners of scientific endeavor.

Another piece of evidence why the Dover ruling was completely illegitimate was the number of lawyers involved. I think I read somewhere that the evolutionists hired upwards of 28 attorneys, while the school district probably hired far fewer, let's say 8 just for the sake of argument. However, a cold hard revisionist analysis of the facts will surely show that 28 attorneys were certainly not enough to defeat the 8 attorneys dedicated to the promulgation of free speech. How would the Darwinist attorneys be able to recognize the attorneys for the school district? How would they know where to find them, in order to round them up? How would they know where they lived? The logistics clearly could not be made to work, as any unbiased observer would have to agree. So therefore it is inescapable that in fact the defeat of intelligent design was in fact far <i>smaller</i> than Darwinists like to claim, or indeed, I daresay it is entirely possible that the Dover trial in fact did not take place at all.

Wes, Larry is STILL posting at the "The next time ID people cry censorship' thread. Any way to get him deleted, especially since he threatened to start posting under my name if I didn't leave him alone about it?

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Since Larry Noname Farfromsane seems too busy doing actual science in support of ID to respond here, I figured I'd offer what I infer will be his point of view on this. Just for the sake of balanced treatment, of course...

<i>You call this a victory for Darwinian dogmatism? Think again! The first drawing proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the panda was exerting mind-control on Judge Jones, deluding him into making an unfounded, invalid activist decision. Such mind-control techniques are well-known to persecuted truth-seekers like me: they're the same techniques used to make people think slavery was worse than it really was, and inflate the number of Jews killed during the "Holocaust." Just one look at the panda's eyes and America's high-school students will know they're beeing lied to by dogmatic "scientists" and using super-powered pandas to corrupt the minds of good Republican judges into believing such totally implausible ideas as macroevolution.</i>