Rivers was helped A LOT by having Norv Turner around for several years and Norv maximizing his skills in a system that worked for Phil. Maybe he was better than Alex, I don't know about right now however.

I agree with that. That's absolutely right which is why Rivers was overrated during his fanboy years.

But at the same time, he reached a level at his peak that Smith will never reach. He hasn't really changed as a player either, the talent around him changed which is why he's been unproductive. But he's still better than Smith.

He also has a better playoff pedigree. It's not like Rivers is 50 years old. He's still in his prime. He just needs a better team around him.

You guys realize you dont have to do this. The only people even remotely asserting that the Chiefs didnt get ripped off here are 9er homers, and Brodeur who is just so dead wrong with every one of his arguments, its starting to make me think hes embracing the snow flake name and just going full on troll.

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I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

Well, you can be a Bears fan. Lemme get you up to speed: Our defense is pretty decent. Our QB kind of sucks, but we mostly think he'd look pretty good with an O line, which we'll surely get now that we have a coach who cares about that. If he's not legit, we'll go draft one next year, so you'll like that. But anyway, he has arm talent that will give you wood. If someone mentions Jerry Angelo, Rex Grossman, or Ron Turner, you have to make the sign of the cross and throw salt over your shoulder to ward off evil spirits. You have to like Kyle Orton. You don't have to think he's great...you just have to like him. No one really knows why.

Unfortunately, our GM is part of the crew that ruined your current team. Our head coach looks like a sex offender, too...

That is a good sales pitch. I'm going to hold out for a better offer but I'll let you know.

You guys realize you dont have to do this. The only people even remotely asseting that the Chiefs didnt get ripped off here are 9er homers, and Brodeur who is just so dead wrong with everyone of his arguments, its starting to make me think hes embracing the snow flake name and just going full on troll.

I don't think I've seen you make a single argument in this thread, not one. You just come in here crapping on anyone who defends Alex Smith to seem funny, when you aren't even really making a joke. And I'm dead wrong? How exactly? Are you going to defer to someone who knows how to actually debate here?

Even if you start by assuming Andy Reid is a QB guru, this trade doesn't make sense. Why would Reid want a guy who is maxed out potential wise when you can take a younger, more physically gifted guy? If he is a QB guru, he should want a guy who has more he can work with. If he isn't a guru, Alex Smith is going to stay average. At least with a rookie, there is a chance he becomes great. No matter how you look at it, the trade is terrible.

Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

No QB in any draft ever is guaranteed to be better than Alex Smith. Andrew Luck and RGIII weren't guarantees. To win in this league, you have to take chances. Alex Smith is what he is. He is somewhere between mediocre and above average. Will Geno, Wilson, Manual, Bray, Barkley, Glennon, or anyone else ever be great? I don't know. But they all have the potential to be while Alex Smith will never be. The Chiefs settled for 6 to 9 wins a season when they had a chance to be so much more by getting a QB with actual potential.

I don't see Alex Smith as being incapable of improving. He was better over the last couple of years than he was previously, so it seems possible he could play better. It's not like he's 35.

I don't think I've seen you make a single argument in this thread, not one. You just come in here crapping on anyone who defends Alex Smith to seem funny, when you aren't even really making a joke. And I'm dead wrong? How exactly? Are you going to defer to someone who knows how to actually debate here?

That could be due to the fact that the only argument I made in regards to your post, you just ignored and dint respond to. Specifically when you tried saying that Cassel and Smith werent the same player by listing three reasons that just werent true what so ever. And i'm relatively certain with my major that it'd be relatively hilarious if I wasn't able to hold a debate. Most of the things said in this section are just so ridiculous that I refuse to even give them the time of day to dispute them, and when people do take the time it just goes nowhere- no one has addressed bbd's post or at least proved him wrong, yet were still having this debate. Why in the world would I waste any of my time doing anything other than laughing at how terrible your remarks in this thread have been.

I mean but i'm not really funny no, I guess I should post more wrestling gifs or something.

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I don't know how old you are, but if you can get to 24/25 without getting arrested or killed, you've done well for yourself lol.

He ripped Smith a new asshole in the NFCCG. You know, the game that everyone wants to blame on Kyle Williams.

Bc poor little Alex Smith did so great but Kyle Williams cost him a ring.

And Greg Cossell is not shy of his critique of Alex Smith. He is constantly harping on how he leaves a ton of plays on the field bc he doesn't trust his arm talent.

I'm sure he praised he for the NO game. And the 2 fumbles were bigger failures than the failures from Smith in that game.

The biggest pass he missed was Kyle Williams 50 yards down the middle that was thrown to far through the rain. Funny I thought he threw like a girl.

Every player in the NFL leaves plays on the field. He just is a pessimist especially compared to the typical hype train media love-fest of the week. And he is specifically asked about the 49ers cause he has been featured on the radio.
And yet he still summed up 2011 regular season as a really good year.

And a guy who got 8 yards per attempt was still missing plays all over?

I don't think I've seen you make a single argument in this thread, not one. You just come in here crapping on anyone who defends Alex Smith to seem funny, when you aren't even really making a joke. And I'm dead wrong? How exactly? Are you going to defer to someone who knows how to actually debate here?

I like this. Everyone talks about how bad the the Pro Football section is but they don't contribute anything. **** off and let people talk. No one gives a **** if its not up to your perceived standard of quality.

The Chiefs franchise ladies and gentlemen. Irrelevant since the late 60s and for the foreseeable future!

Does any other teams fanbase want to adopt someone who is loyal to a fault? :(

Come join the Packer fanbase. We've won more championships than any franchise in the NFL, have a rich history, a recent history of success, an elite QB for two decades and counting, and we desperately need more people who aren't crazy.

Come join the Packer fanbase. We've won more championships than any franchise in the NFL, have a rich history, a recent history of success, an elite QB for two decades and counting, and we desperately need more people who aren't crazy.

Also, we wear cheese on our heads. How cool is that?

You're definitely in the lead, at least over the Bears. I'm a big Rodgers fan.

There's no more fun team to root for than the giants. We can **** the bed against the worst team in the league and then just beat down the best team in the league the next week. With two recent superbowls and 5+ more years of Eli, you're not going to find a more entertaining team to follow. Plus you get to scream "The **** is wrong with you Perry Fewell!!! Rush more than 2!!!!" Which only makes your ears bleed sometimes.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.