Most lottery websites have posted on them somewhere the amount of winners and how many numbers they got correct.

Ive noticed that there are less winners today than in the past. For example in the Washington State Lotto below if you look below you will see that the amount of people who got 5 of the 6 numbers correct in every drawing is considerably so much higher than today.

Today the average amount of winners who get 5 of 6 numbers correct is roughly 5 to 10 winners compared to about 50 to 100 winners in each drawing. Just wondering how this is possible? Did people somehow get less smart or more dumb and cant get 5 numbers right now compared to then?

I believe its has always been a 6/49 game. I'm checking that now. And this run of high winners ran for 15 years, till more recently. Did you ever look at your lottery's website past amount of winners is it relatively the same as this lottery below or not?

If you check the history of the size of the number pool over the years you may find an increase in the amount of numbers in the drawing pool.

More numbers in a pool increases the odds of winning.

So if a lottery back in the day had only lets say 44 numbers compared to 49 then you're saying it should naturally have more winners? So what about lotteries today that only have 44 numbers I checked and most of them only have 2 to 5 winners who get 5 or 6 numbers correct. Why would the state matter where the lottery is drawn? In otherwords if you have 50 states and all 50 states have 44 numbers then you should pretty much get the same amount of winners across the board. Yet if one had like lets say 100 winners who got 5 of 6 numbers correct and the rest of them all had like 2 to 5 winners who get 5 of 6 numbers right that would be odd? Yet you should see the same results across the board in all lower ball lotteries. And also what about games that have 39 numbers and still producing 4 of 5 numbers correct the average is about 5 to 10 people. Not anything as my example shows. What say ye?

In otherwords you're saying the lotteries are "controlled" in an enviornment by humans by incorporating "pre-tests" to create a lower amount of winners? In otherwords the lottery drawings are by human design rather than random in order to controll the amount of winners so they dont end up with as many winners as they did in the past? Is this what you're implying onlymoney?

And if I can prove that they had just as many pre-test then or even more then as now and they were ending up with a much higher amount of winners then than today, what say ye?

"Ive noticed that there are less winners today than in the past" scientistman

however u have 1 major flaw, u dare put in 2013 numbers, when year NOT even done

a fair look at amount of winners should only be done in WHOLE year grouped data numbers

some months will have low jackpots, its not far at all to compare month to month data,

yearly data, godly more fair

so sense 2013 not even over buddy, lets do 2012 data as a whole vs 1993

my data shows 2012 had a lot more MONEY awarded then the year 1993

why is simple

2012 we had biggest jackpots in history go down

aka both mega millions at start of 2012 and PB near end of 2012, set record jackpots

and also record sales, there fore we HAD insane amount of winners of both 1 million range 2nd prize levels

then we ever had in 1993

so your very logic we have fewer winners today is dead wrong

also u used 2013 numbers of 2 months, where jackpots like MM have been on a 'low" level

so ofc sales are low, u sir just don't know wtf your talking about , never use data based on months

and never use must recent data to the year over, so we can do a much more fair YEAR VS YEAR

u can take 1993 month where jackpots was high,and had high sales, vs a 2013 month where jackpots was low, even with more states playing btw, and more players playing overall and claim 1993 had more winners

the math thro is unfair and misleading at BEST

then there powerball

back then ticket sales was 1 buck, now its 2

so that means less tickets per same SALES, so less winners for same amount of money

however thx to large cost , we sure have great jackpots as 2012 was a record sitter for PB

and tickets have even got more costly so have the prizes gone up

i care more about overall MONEY won by players then "amount of winners"

i can tell u for a fact 2012 had MUCH more money won in that year then 1993 winners EVER HAD

i know so sense i seen both record jackpots that year

so the truth is

more money then ever is being WON, there higher ticket costs in 1 game , so less tickets overall for same sales numbers ., but in fact more money been won then 1993

so sir, your just off in a diff plant

the jackpot games have never been better for players

pb/mm are almust sold in ever lottery state now, we had record breaking sales/ and insane amounts of money given away

i just leave with u with these facts

2 largest CASH jackpots won in 2012. not that misleading Annuity they LOVE to market

powerball Jackpot for Wed, Nov 28, 2012 $384,700,000 CASH

Mega Millions Jackpot for Fri, Mar 30, 2012 $471,000,000 CASH

funny thing about 1993 also, high point was around 7% return on T bills for 30 years

, u know what they market to players, , and put that on the marketing signs 2 players for XXX amount of millions to is up for grabs

, aka a smaller amount of cash was needed to market a same jackpots levels we had in 1993, vs 2013 jackpots

govt gone insane and is buying there own debt, there for a high annuity rate is not even close to levels of 1993 annuity rate

u should only do math based on REAL CASH offered to players, not that bs annuity rate

guest what was 30 year rate for t bill of return % are for 2012 .

highest 3%. for 30 years,

guest what rate for 1993 was, over 7% LOL

so they could of marketed lower amount of MONEY , real cash, for much larger jackpot in 1993 then today

the real cash jackpots vs cash jackpots of 1993 . there no doubting CASH jackpots of 2012, is beyond all doubt better then 1993

u have no idea how much better today cash jackpots are then 1993, we have largest amount of players now putting REAL cash into jackpots, that is largerst amount of people playing EVER

so much more money being won then in 1993 , thats a fact , to even mislead people to think there less winners, is just so wrong on many levels

and godly hell yes more money on ever level more then "money inflation" accounts for, so don't even try to go there.

the fact is, u can play All mental math gymnactic all u want in your head, reality is 2012 whole year amounts won by players is much better then amount of 1993 whole year .

plz get into reality people and don't be fooled by these mental math gymcactic people try to post and fool u

If you check the history of the size of the number pool over the years you may find an increase in the amount of numbers in the drawing pool.

More numbers in a pool increases the odds of winning.

It's a fact the Ohio Lottery had more jackpot and secondary prize winners when their lotto was a 6/44 game. The number of winners lowered when they added more numbers, but the volume of play stayed about the same. The only comparison now is their Classic Lotto game that began in 2007 after Ohio joined MM. The volume of the current game is not even close to any of the former games, but the reason is obvious; Ohio has both MM and PB.

I'm pretty sure any state lottery including Washington saw the volume of their lotto play get considerably smaller after they joined MM and/or PB. Some states have added other games since the 90s and that too might reflect on the volume of play and of course the number of secondary prize winners.

"Ive noticed that there are less winners today than in the past" scientistman

however u have 1 major flaw, u dare put in 2013 numbers, when year NOT even done

a fair look at amount of winners should only be done in WHOLE year grouped data numbers

some months will have low jackpots, its not far at all to compare month to month data,

yearly data, godly more fair

so sense 2013 not even over buddy, lets do 2012 data as a whole vs 1993

my data shows 2012 had a lot more MONEY awarded then the year 1993

why is simple

2012 we had biggest jackpots in history go down

aka both mega millions at start of 2012 and PB near end of 2012, set record jackpots

and also record sales, there fore we HAD insane amount of winners of both 1 million range 2nd prize levels

then we ever had in 1993

so your very logic we have fewer winners today is dead wrong

also u used 2013 numbers of 2 months, where jackpots like MM have been on a 'low" level

so ofc sales are low, u sir just don't know wtf your talking about , never use data based on months

and never use must recent data to the year over, so we can do a much more fair YEAR VS YEAR

u can take 1993 month where jackpots was high,and had high sales, vs a 2013 month where jackpots was low, even with more states playing btw, and more players playing overall and claim 1993 had more winners

the math thro is unfair and misleading at BEST

then there powerball

back then ticket sales was 1 buck, now its 2

so that means less tickets per same SALES, so less winners for same amount of money

however thx to large cost , we sure have great jackpots as 2012 was a record sitter for PB

and tickets have even got more costly so have the prizes gone up

i care more about overall MONEY won by players then "amount of winners"

i can tell u for a fact 2012 had MUCH more money won in that year then 1993 winners EVER HAD

i know so sense i seen both record jackpots that year

so the truth is

more money then ever is being WON, there higher ticket costs in 1 game , so less tickets overall for same sales numbers ., but in fact more money been won then 1993

so sir, your just off in a diff plant

the jackpot games have never been better for players

pb/mm are almust sold in ever lottery state now, we had record breaking sales/ and insane amounts of money given away

i just leave with u with these facts

2 largest CASH jackpots won in 2012. not that misleading Annuity they LOVE to market

powerball Jackpot for Wed, Nov 28, 2012 $384,700,000 CASH

Mega Millions Jackpot for Fri, Mar 30, 2012 $471,000,000 CASH

funny thing about 1993 also, high point was around 7% return on T bills for 30 years

, u know what they market to players, , and put that on the marketing signs 2 players for XXX amount of millions to is up for grabs

, aka a smaller amount of cash was needed to market a same jackpots levels we had in 1993, vs 2013 jackpots

govt gone insane and is buying there own debt, there for a high annuity rate is not even close to levels of 1993 annuity rate

u should only do math based on REAL CASH offered to players, not that bs annuity rate

guest what was 30 year rate for t bill of return % are for 2012 .

highest 3%. for 30 years,

guest what rate for 1993 was, over 7% LOL

so they could of marketed lower amount of MONEY , real cash, for much larger jackpot in 1993 then today

the real cash jackpots vs cash jackpots of 1993 . there no doubting CASH jackpots of 2012, is beyond all doubt better then 1993

u have no idea how much better today cash jackpots are then 1993, we have largest amount of players now putting REAL cash into jackpots, that is largerst amount of people playing EVER

so much more money being won then in 1993 , thats a fact , to even mislead people to think there less winners, is just so wrong on many levels

and godly hell yes more money on ever level more then "money inflation" accounts for, so don't even try to go there.

the fact is, u can play All mental math gymnactic all u want in your head, reality is 2012 whole year amounts won by players is much better then amount of 1993 whole year .

plz get into reality people and don't be fooled by these mental math gymcactic people try to post and fool u

its just not reality.

Joshuacloak, thanks for your reply. Ive read your entire post. Joshua I do not like to purposely make someone look bad but really railed on me a bit there for no reason so with that said.....

YOU SIR, HAVE COMPLETLY, MISSED THE MARK! MISSED THE BOAT and MISSED THE MESSAGE OF THIS THREAD completely!!

Yet it was a fun read! Thanks Joshuacloak

Yet for those of you who also read joshuacloaks post let me remind you of the title of this posting so you also do not MISS THE MESSAGE of this thread.

"Why did more people win in the 1990's than today? Lotto."

No where in the title of this thread does it mention PB, MM or MONEY $$$$$$

My posting did not refer to $$$$$$. In fact in the TITLE of this posting I purposely typed out the word "LOTTO"

The message of this thread. THE AMOUNT OF WINNNERS WHO GOT 5 of THE 6 numbers correct in LOTTO COMPARED WITH TODAY. And the incredible difference between then and now in comparison. 103 winners in one night vs 5 winners ??? whats up! ????

So one word to you joshuacloak, you missed the entire message of this thread. You did not hit the target nor even come close. So thank you for ranting on me for no reason, yet regardless you did make some good points on other issues and I'll give you credit for that for sure! And that I found interesting though you sorta went over to another issue entirely.

Now if anyone feels its because they added my balls to the game it aint true! In fact if you look at the numbers that I posted they are from 1993. Take a look at those numbers carefully. Do you see any 49's in those numbers. Enough said.

So they are still using 49 balls today as they were then. Well actually their not using balls at all anymore. But thats an another issue.

So the question remains (why were there so many many more 2nd prize winners in lotto in the 1990's than now?)

So the question remains (why were there so many many more 2nd prize winners in lotto in the 1990's than now?)

i make it simple, why did i bring up PB/MM/ and more money being won by the prizes

back then they didn't have both MM/PB, to play in

ofc players are playin that now .a lot more so then then your whatever state "lotto" pick 6

they moved on to diff games, pb/mm are 2 major games when it comes to pick 6 games, not your local state lotto anymore

and sense VERY soon they will be played in ever lottery state, once ca/fl join party , and majority of pick 6 game players force on pb/mm majority of the time.

ofc that should be where we compare ,not some local state lottery stuck in 1990 thinking

i tired to get that point across, u got to use your imagination and think outside the box of issue and go with reality of issue

u cant get stuck inside the question of a state lotto pick 6, and ask why there less winners

so u want to know why there less winners in a state pick 6 today, its simple MM/PB, there u go brother.

and once u use your imagination , u see there more money being won, much more so then 1990s, its better living in 201x then the 199x time frame for all lottery players. that was idea i was trying so <snip> hard to get thro to u

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Scientistman are you a climate change scientist by day? Just like them you are "cherry picking" data to try and prove a theory of yours rather than taking into account ALL changes in variables, such as what Joshua eluded to which is less people playing these games due to a multitude of new game choice options now vs the 1990's. Not following the scientific method? Bad scientist.

Scientistman are you a climate change scientist by day? Just like them you are "cherry picking" data to try and prove a theory of yours rather than taking into account ALL changes in variables, such as what Joshua eluded to which is less people playing these games due to a multitude of new game choice options now vs the 1990's. Not following the scientific method? Bad scientist.

msharkey2011 thanks for the reply.

I understand his and your theory its just that I'm not buying it!!!

Your theory goes a bit like this...

The more people who play the more winners. Its not rocket science here guys! I understand.

Yet if it were true that more people won back in the 1990's playing their state lotteries because there were no MM or PB then you are making a theory that goes a bit like this.....

1993 1000 people playing lotto 53 people win.

2012 100 people playing lotto 2 people win.

In otherwords 900 of those left lotto and are now playing MM or PB

So less lotto winners.

And if that were the case I would agree.

Yet that is NOT what is happening. Your theory is wrong.

There are MORE people playing LOTTO than ever before because population is greater today than in 1993 so even though there are many more playing MM or PB there is still a greater number of people playing LOTTO today than in 1993, yet the same amount of balls are used. Still 49 balls. Its just as it was then in 1993. The same game the same amount of balls yet MORE people playing. Even with MM and PB being added to the state. There are still MORE people playing today than in 1993. Include marketing, more commercials on tv & radio. And you have no increased the amount of people playing by a ton.

You have some warped theory believing that there are LESS people playing LOTTO today than in 1993. It simply is not true. And I aint buying it! Im calling BS! There are statistics ya know. There are MORE people playing LOTTO today than ever before and more today than in 1993. So it would stand to reason that there should be more winners today than in 1993 not less. Same amount of balls 49.

Thats my point.

You are trying to get me to believe that their are LESS people playing lotto today when its the opposite. Population in Washington has grown which increases the amount of people who play even though MM and PB are now in this state.

Your theory is wrong!

Your theory would be correct if somewhere between 1993 and now they had increased the amopunt of balls from 49 to 56 but they havent and there are MORE people playing today than in 1993. There should be more winners toda not LESS!

Washington state population grew by 830,419 during the last decade — to 6,724,540 — according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Washington’s 14.1 percent increase from 2000 to 2010 was the slowest rate of growth the state has experienced in five decades.

Still, Washington grew at a faster pace than the nation as a whole, and is now the 13th most- populous state in the country.

This Census was from 2010 it is now almost up to 8 million people in Washington State.

So there is CLEARLY more people playing LOTTO than in 1993 by far!

MORE PEOPLE PLAYING LOTTO SAME AMOUNT OF BALLS. There should be more winners NOT LESS!

Who the hell you trying to kid!

Same amount of balls...more players.

There should be 103 winners or more today getting 5 of 6 numbers right like in 1993 not 5 people when theres more people playing!