Oddly enough, whenever IEEs are around me, I feel like I'm supervising them.

I've never noticed myself 'supervising' any LIE's in anyway whatsoever. I also have a hard time imagining LIEs being supervised by SLIs. I'm still a little skeptical about that one.

I do believe I was once supervised by a former ESE boss of mine. He was the head chef and I performed prep duties. He had lots of instructions, was very meticulous, and work with him was ever changing and challenging. He was very social, liked to experiment with different things constantly, and always wanted to make sure his co-workers were well fed and his cooks were well paid. I think he felt, and wanted others to feel, a special 'kinship' among his cooking staff.

I both dreaded (just a little) and enjoyed working with him because the work days were somewhat relaxed, though unpredictable, and it seemed my limited 'skills' were always being put to the test.

I was more concerned with 'not screwing up' and being viewed as a competent employee than I was with 'getting his attention' or getting him to like me personally. Plus, he seemed to take a personal liking to me anyway. Often holding me as an example for other co-workers to follow and praising my 'adaptability.' He liked how organized I kept my workspace and felt that I was one of the few employees he could always depend on.

To be fair, nearly every 'boss' on every job I've ever held in my adult life has expressed the same.

It was a HUGE shock to me when I learned that another co-worker (more or less on equal footing with him) believed the ESE chef to be "controlling" and bossy and always ordering me around. My co-worker thought that the ESE was mean to me or somewhat abusive and that I was unhappy, but was not the type to complain to others about it.

I was utterly surprised since my feelings about the relationship were practically opposite. Nonetheless, it was interesting to learn how others viewed our professional relationship.

"His feeling that this world is not his Fatherland, and that it does not represent his proper condition, so to speak—his feeling that, basically, he 'comes from afar'—will remain a fundamental element which will not give rise to mystical escapism and spiritual weakness, but rather will enable him to minimise, to relativise, to refer to higher concepts of measure and limit, all that can seem important and definitive to others, starting with death itself, and will confer on him calm force and breadth of vision." — Julius Evola

Actually, you have a point there. My Se-ISTj hates my randomness a lot of the time. She never understood my need for chaos and couldn't figure out that the more she tried to order my life and bring routine into it the more I would screw it up.

The source of superivision is supervisor's lead function, so that relation must be much more comfortable for him.
I know well one LSI and he finds me irritating. Since me met, making him mad at me is one of my favourite entertainments I frequently disturb him at work to pick him out of the boredom and make him do something more attractive for a while. I don't appreciate his Ne-PoLR traits, but they don't irritate me.
After all, our relation is somewhat close to friendship, and I think it wouldn't be so, if supervisee didn't naturally interest supervisor by weakness of the first, and feeling that "he needs my help" of the second one.

Yeah, I honestly don't think I do. How does it feel for you Fi PoLRs to have it lorded over you? What's it look like? I must know so I can scribble it into my handbook of highly developed, rigid moral axioms!

Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend

Topaz
The artifact which is the source of my power will not be kept on the Mountain of Despair beyond the River of Fire guarded by the Dragons of Eternity. It will be in my safe-deposit box. The same applies to the object which is my one weakness.

Isfp are very well adware of their enviornment, they are also very keen to slow pace conversation as a sense that they are dragging on the words to finish the conversation. althought they are kind, I can't spend too much time with them becuase the flow of speech i have tends to be in a very different rythym with them, maybe it is because of
FE(J) and SI(P). so likly, I have to struggle with my words and change my pace of my speech to match their style of sppech. Besides the one-on-one conversation with them, I often feel like they want to drag things out of the enviornment and engaged in a conversation with me about those things in which I dont have much opinion about. They Seeking (NE) i guess.

(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)

Originally Posted by Jarno

1)
A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

2)
A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

AS to the question they asked, I feel like some isfp-fe tends to get too carried away with their Fe to match my Fe in a sense, they often ask questions like, who are you dating now, how old is he, really? is she pretty? oh so when are you going to bring her out and show me? but wait, yous should dress better if you want to meet a girl like that. all those questions are asked even before i can actually answer them.

(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)

Originally Posted by Jarno

1)
A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

2)
A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

I find that i am generally attracted to ESFp's (at least at first), but then again most people seem to be attracted to ESFp's because they are so likeable. However, i don't think the connection is very deep or meaningful between us, so the attraction usually doesn't last long. ENTp's tend to be somewhat attracted to me, but generally they just want to gain my approval which seems to be characteristic of relations of supervision. I think the supervisee normally wants to receive praise and encouragement from the supervisor, but I'm not sure that attraction is the best word to describe this. In general, I find relations of supervision to be pretty uncomfortable and unsatisfying. If there is any sort of attraction, it usually turns into irritation once you become closer friends.

I find that i am generally attracted to ESFp's (at least at first), but then again most people seem to be attracted to ESFp's because they are so likeable. However, i don't think the connection is very deep or meaningful between us, so the attraction usually doesn't last long. ENTp's tend to be somewhat attracted to me, but generally they just want to gain my approval which seems to be characteristic of relations of supervision. I think the supervisee normally wants to receive praise and encouragement from the supervisor, but I'm not sure that attraction is the best word to describe this. In general, I find relations of supervision to be pretty uncomfortable and unsatisfying. If there is any sort of attraction, it usually turns into irritation once you become closer friends.

~INFj

yeah.. i know you said most but it is just odd to see someone say ESFps are so likable.

AS to the question they asked, I feel like some isfp-fe tends to get too carried away with their Fe to match my Fe in a sense, they often ask questions like, who are you dating now, how old is he, really? is she pretty? oh so when are you going to bring her out and show me? but wait, yous should dress better if you want to meet a girl like that. all those questions are asked even before i can actually answer them.

sounds like Si immediacy with Fe that is grating you.

btw i have seen this pairing, ENFj - ISFp and ISFp - ESTj more than once.

Last edited by Ms. Kensington; 10-29-2008 at 05:07 PM.
Reason: no double post

Brilliand told me the difference between introverted supervising and extroverted supervising. An introverted supervisor will stop their supervisee from doing something, while an extroverted supervisor will make their supervisee do something. So there's already a difference in extroverted and introverted supervising.

I've been observing people, and I think introverts are more attracted to their supervisees, wilst extroverts are more attracted to their supervisors. Does this sound accurate?

Brilliand told me the difference between introverted supervising and extroverted supervising. An introverted supervisor will stop their supervisee from doing something, while an extroverted supervisor will make their supervisee do something. So there's already a difference in extroverted and introverted supervising.

I've been observing people, and I think introverts are more attracted to their supervisees, wilst extroverts are more attracted to their supervisors. Does this sound accurate?

This sounds very accurate. Both my aunt and uncle and my husband and I are in supervisory marriages where the introvert is the supervisor. I think it works much better that way than the other way around.

This sounds very accurate. Both my aunt and uncle and my husband and I are in supervisory marriages where the introvert is the supervisor. I think it works much better that way than the other way around.

I've never noticed myself 'supervising' any LIE's in anyway whatsoever. I also have a hard time imagining LIEs being supervised by SLIs. I'm still a little skeptical about that one.

Trust me. You guys do. I honestly am not even sure how you guys do it. I just find my SLI "friend" is always able to frustrate the living hell out of me. I feel like I'm going crazy for no reason at times. It's really irritating, I always feel like I'm on the defensive. I think he does it on purpose.

I used to like being around him, but I think he purposely finds my weak spot now.

Trust me. You guys do. I honestly am not even sure how you guys do it. I just find my SLI "friend" is always able to frustrate the living hell out of me. I feel like I'm going crazy for no reason at times. It's really irritating, I always feel like I'm on the defensive. I think he does it on purpose.

I used to like being around him, but I think he purposely finds my weak spot now.

What's your weak spot?

Originally Posted by MaliaFee

But with my supervisee I am sort of indifferent. Not sure how they feel about me though.

I hate you.

Originally Posted by Azeroffs

^ We should hang out, you can keep those SLIs off my back :tongue:

Hi. I'm here to make your life miserable.

“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

Originally Posted by Gilly

You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

As far as Si PoLR goes, I'm not completely sure. Just being around the SLI I know puts me on edge though. He's always doing nothing and wants me to join in. It sounds stupid, but it really just bugs me, I'm not sure why... Well now I'm sure why, but before socionics I wasn't sure. He just bugs me in general. I think it's the lack of Fi and abundance of Si. Staying distant while still wanting me to waste my time. He can be an ass too, it might not be completely type related.