My point is Rim has an incredibile number of paying active users for such a "dyeing" company, I believe 41% of their revenue(or was it profit?) Came from selling services, BIS, BES, MDS etc

By the way, 300k activated android phones doesn't mean they're all new users. How many android active users are at any time? I know Rim has more then 60 millions.

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Where are you getting that 60 million number from? I just spent about half an hour searching, and all I found that was close was that RIM sold their 50 millionth BB back in 2009 - but that's not 50 million independent users. That's handsets. In my house, we had 2 Pearls, 2 Curves, and a Storm, but that was for 2 people.

Have you got a link that says there are 60 million active independent users?

That goes the same for how many Android devices are activated daily. I don't think that there are 300 000 independent brand new never had an Android before activations. The 300 000 and this 60 million number, I'm pretty sure, are new and replacement handsets. As in 1 user may have purchased 5-6 models over the years and those are reflected in that total.

I don't for one second think there are 300000 or 60 million fresh individual 'virgin user' device activations out there.

Oh well, enough of this claptrap. Gizmodo has some valid points, particularly about co. rporate vision. However, since December I have used Android, and WP7 and find myself going back to my old tried and true Storm. Apps? Think quality and useability over quantity. Sadly though, the Storm has finally packed it in, so I'm heading out to freshen up with a Torch/Playbook update. If the new toys do well in the fall, this is all a moot point. If they do not, RIM is setting themselves up to be the next Plam, since the loyal fan base will follow them wherever.

Since you have used that rebuttal twice in this thread alone to prove your point, where did that number come from?

I think I know where it came from, personally, but I also found that 25 million number. I have yet to find anything remotely close to this 60 million user number you provided as known by you. As per RIM's fiscal report 2011 they had SHIPPED a little over 50 million handsets. Handsets don't equal users, and that still isn't the 60 million total you have provided to downplay Android user amounts.

Now, I think the Android user amounts are artificially inflated, so I am not nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking RIM here. I am honestly wondering where this 60 million total came from, that you know is true (by your own words). It was presented as fact to downplay another posters opinion and other platforms, so I am sure you have the evidence to back up the claim...

Since you have used that rebuttal twice in this thread alone to prove your point, where did that number come from?

I think I know where it came from, personally, but I also found that 25 million number. I have yet to find anything remotely close to this 60 million user number you provided as known by you. As per RIM's fiscal report 2011 they had SHIPPED a little over 50 million handsets. Handsets don't equal users, and that still isn't the 60 million total you have provided to downplay Android user amounts.

Now, I think the Android user amounts are artificially inflated, so I am not nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking RIM here. I am honestly wondering where this 60 million total came from, that you know is true (by your own words). It was presented as fact to downplay another posters opinion and other platforms, so I am sure you have the evidence to back up the claim...

I cant remember the exact source, probably here on crackberry, but if they had over 55 millions in January and they've been growing since, I think we can agree that they're around 60 millions active users.

No. Because that article doesn't say 60 million users and actually CONTRADICTS RIMS OWN FISCAL REPORTS. It's a report from a market research company. I would tend to side with RIM over a market research company, companies that often present skewed results.

The sales data was provided by business analysts Gfk, and RIM was quick to broadcast the results, along with its own BlackBerry data which stated that:

- It had sold over 129 million BlackBerry smartphones worldwide via more than 580 carriers and distribution partners in over 175 countries.

- BlackBerry Messenger experienced a 500 per cent increase in usage last year and currently has over 33 million users worldwide.

- BlackBerry is the no.1 smartphone for Twitter with 6 Million downloads to date.

- BlackBerry App World now has over 16,000 applications available worldwide to download, which is a 60 per cent growth since Q2 2010.

- There are more than 55 million BlackBerry subscribers.

Care to explain why RIM's OWN report doesn't say that? Is RIM lying now and not presenting accurate information? Wouldn't you think RIM would present the better looking numbers to their investors instead of what they did provide in their report?

Oh wait, I forgot. Arguing with a brick wall. We've already gone from "definitely over 60 million" to "I know it's over 60 million" to "It's around 55 million" to "well I think I read it on Crackberry and now I'm extrapolating the number to 60 million and I don't actually know it's true or accurate but we all can agree on this made up number I may or may not have read even if it's contradicted by RIM themselves in their fiscal documents because I'm always right."

*head desk*

I never said that the 300 000 daily activations is incorrect. I said that I don't think they are brand new to Android customers, but they lalso represent upgrading by the same user. You said there were over 60 million individual BB users. For all I know, that includes MY BIS email address and my husbands, even though we haven't accessed them in over a year. Still BIS user accounts though, right? Even when they have long been abandoned? Are they counting the registered accounts or the actual ACTIVE registered accounts? It's all a little vague.

Oh wait, I forgot. Arguing with a brick wall. We've already gone from "definitely over 60 million" to "I know it's over 60 million" to "It's around 55 million" to "well I think I read it on Crackberry and now I'm extrapolating the number to 60 million and I don't actually know it's true or accurate but we all can agree on this made up number I may or may not have read even if it's contradicted by RIM themselves in their fiscal documents because I'm always right."

*head desk*

I never said that the 300 000 daily activations is incorrect. I said that I don't think they are brand new to Android customers, but they lalso represent upgrading by the same user. You said there were over 60 million individual BB users. For all I know, that includes MY BIS email address and my husbands, even though we haven't accessed them in over a year. Still BIS user accounts though, right? Even when they have long been abandoned? Are they counting the registered accounts or the actual ACTIVE registered accounts? It's all a little vague.