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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

Can anyone answer a few questions I have about Transformers?

Sure.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

Why is Bumble Bee no longer a VW bug?

Updating for modern times to make his vehicle mode more relevant to newer audiences.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

Which of the vintage figures came with little human figures?

None of the vintage G1 Transformers really came with "human" figures. There are however Targetmasters, Headmasters and Powermasters that came with mini-robot figures (that were written as being human before being changed in Transformers) that became guns, heads and engines for their Transformer partners, respectively.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

Why does Megatron shrink when he turns into a gun?

Story-wise, it has something to do with collapsible spaces inside his body, a modification made by Teletran One in the first episode when putting the Autobots and Decepticons back together again in order to better adapt to their new Earth surroundings. That's why Shockwave never shrank when he tranformed. He was never modified by Teletran One.

But also it was a device in the cartoon that enabled more dynamic action sequences with various Decepticons (and sometimes Autobots) to hold and fire Megatron.

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

Updating for modern times to make his vehicle mode more relevant to newer audiences.

This I don't get. VW still makes bugs. I saw a yellow one sitting in a parking light just this evening.

Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel

None of the vintage G1 Transformers really came with "human" figures. There are however Targetmasters, Headmasters and Powermasters that came with mini-robot figures (that were written as being human before being changed in Transformers) that became guns, heads and engines for their Transformer partners, respectively.

Didn't Optimus come with a little Spike figure?

Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel

But also it was a device in the cartoon that enabled more dynamic action sequences with various Decepticons (and sometimes Autobots) to hold and fire Megatron.

The idea was good, but he transformed into a little laser pistol - instead of bigass canon-type weapon

From what I've been told (and read) it's because Volkswagen doesn't want to their brand identified with what they consider "war toys". This resistance to licensing the VW Beetle's likeness might be due to the creation and production of the original Volkswagen (IE People's Car) via a state sponsored program by Hitler and the National Socialists back in the 1930s.

From what I've been told (and read) it's because Volkswagen doesn't want to their brand identified with what they consider "war toys". This resistance to licensing the VW Beetle's likeness might be due to the creation and production of the original Volkswagen (IE People's Car) via a state sponsored program by Hitler and the National Socialists back in the 1930s.

That's interesting. But the car they picked as a replacement is horrible. They should of just retired the character, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

Didn't Optimus come with a little Spike figure?

Not the G1 Vintage figure. Some of the newer Masterpiece Optimus Prime releases come with a little Spike figure. G1 Fortress Maximus comes with a Headmaster Spike robot figure who becomes the head of Cerebros who in turn becomes the head of Fortress Maximus.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

The idea was good, but he transformed into a little laser pistol - instead of bigass canon-type weapon

Well, he was an in-scale gun with Transformers so by human standards he was huge. The big ass cannon was Galvatron who was a rebuilt Megatron.

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

Yeah, the new Camaro just doesn't quite fit the character of Bumblebee. There are other smaller cars that could be good options for Bumblebee's vehicle mode, but I guess GM's dollars for the first movie carried more weight for Hasbro.

Not the G1 Vintage figure. Some of the newer Masterpiece Optimus Prime releases come with a little Spike figure. G1 Fortress Maximus comes with a Headmaster Spike robot figure who becomes the head of Cerebros who in turn becomes the head of Fortress Maximus.

Well, he was an in-scale gun with Transformers so by human standards he was huge. The big ass cannon was Galvatron who was a rebuilt Megatron.

I am just started to buy all the episodes right now, so I'm sure I will have more questions soon.
I'm actually wondering who that white jet was that was frozen in ice. They never said how he got frozen

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

I am just started to buy all the episodes right now, so I'm sure I will have more questions soon.
I'm actually wondering who that white jet was that was frozen in ice. They never said how he got frozen

That is Jetfire (Skyfire sometimes). They will say how he got frozen in the cartoon (crashing in the ice and being buried...twice).

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

These episodes have been pretty enjoyable thus far, but some of these autobot voices are not acceptable. One of the guys sounds like Shaggy

Well that's because Casey Kasem, who voiced Shaggy, also did the voice of Bluestreak on the Transformers cartoon.

And I also find most (75%) of the G1 Transformers cartoons to be enjoyable to this day. Of course there are some duds (Season 3's Carnage in C-Minor being the worst in my opinion) but overall a great animation series.

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

Story-wise, it has something to do with collapsible spaces inside his body, a modification made by Teletran One in the first episode when putting the Autobots and Decepticons back together again in order to better adapt to their new Earth surroundings. That's why Shockwave never shrank when he tranformed. He was never modified by Teletran One.

But also it was a device in the cartoon that enabled more dynamic action sequences with various Decepticons (and sometimes Autobots) to hold and fire Megatron.

And because it was a cartoon...

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Originally Posted by Captain Marvel

From what I've been told (and read) it's because Volkswagen doesn't want to their brand identified with what they consider "war toys". This resistance to licensing the VW Beetle's likeness might be due to the creation and production of the original Volkswagen (IE People's Car) via a state sponsored program by Hitler and the National Socialists back in the 1930s.

But they were fine with it being in toy form all these years? I read that somewhere too and I didn't think it made any sense.

Well that's because Casey Kasem, who voiced Shaggy, also did the voice of Bluestreak on the Transformers cartoon.

And I also find most (75%) of the G1 Transformers cartoons to be enjoyable to this day. Of course there are some duds (Season 3's Carnage in C-Minor being the worst in my opinion) but overall a great animation series.

Nah, I haven't seen Honk Kong Phoeey since I was a kid. But one of the guys does sound like x-men Gambit.

This cartoon is kind of strange in a way. The Autobots are basically small and wimpy, lose every battle, but then still end up winning anyway. You would think Prime would be taking up slack for them, but he doesn't really. He's too busy giving orders, I guess.

And some guys seem to be able to fly when not in vehicle mode - although I haven't seen any Autobots do it except for the intro.

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

This cartoon is kind of strange in a way. The Autobots are basically small and wimpy, lose every battle, but then still end up winning anyway.

Well, it's a kids cartoon. The good guys are always winning. You know...to show the children that good will always triumph. I guess you could rationalize that the Autobots made up for their weaker powers with intelligence (most of the Autobots are scientists, engineers and mechanics) and with greater numbers (they outnumber the Decepticons about 2 to 1). Plus they also have a greater understanding of Earth and acceptance of its inhabitants due to their alliance with (Spike, Sparkplug, Chip and Carly) than the Decepticons do.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

You would think Prime would be taking up slack for them, but he doesn't really. He's too busy giving orders, I guess.

Leaders give orders and the Autobots follow Prime's orders without question (except for the Dinobots) because they hold him in high esteem for his past sacrifices (you'll see that in the second season of the Transformers).

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

And some guys seem to be able to fly when not in vehicle mode - although I haven't seen any Autobots do it except for the intro.

Yeah, that was a problem that mainly only occurs in the first 3 episodes of season 1. I guess the writers were still figuring out the powers and abilities of the Autobots and Decepticons. So, that has the Autobots flying around.

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

Leaders give orders and the Autobots follow Prime's orders without question (except for the Dinobots) because they hold him in high esteem for his past sacrifices (you'll see that in the second season of the Transformers).

It just seems like they should have made prime a lot tougher. He rarely fights anyone other than Megatron.
Now that I think about it, he seems to lose a lot of fights too, ie. getting knocked on his ass by Ravage.

What's really scary is that that was two years before Megan Fox was born! Starting to feel a bit old y'all? Yeah? Well now you've got a small taste of what it's like to be me. Trust me...it gets worse.

What's really scary is that that was two years before Megan Fox was born! Starting to feel a bit old y'all? Yeah? Well now you've got a small taste of what it's like to be me. Trust me...it gets worse.

I'm a gym rat in spectacular physical shape. So no, I don't look or feel old at all.
But I'll catch up with you eventually.

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

It just seems like they should have made prime a lot tougher. He rarely fights anyone other than Megatron.
Now that I think about it, he seems to lose a lot of fights too, ie. getting knocked on his ass by Ravage.

Patience. You should get a taste of how "tough" Optimus is in War of the Dinobots (Season 1 Ep. 10) as he takes on the Dinobots and earns the respect of the rebellious Grimlock.

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

Patience. You should get a taste of how "tough" Optimus is in War of the Dinobots (Season 1 Ep. 10) as he takes on the Dinobots and earns the respect of the rebellious Grimlock.

He got beat up!

I am up to Heavy Metal war. The only thing impressive he has done is when he slammed through a wall in truck mode and pounded Megatron. Other than that, not much. That's where I have to give credit to the movies. They did a much better job of portraying him as super tough.

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Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

He got beat up!

Did he? Or did he allow himself to be taken in, not wanting to destroy his Dinobot subordinates by using his full strength and see who was truly behind the Dinobots revolt (Megatron). Then he regained Grimlock's respect and loyalty to the Autobot cause by saving grinlock and the other Dinobots from the exploding meteor. You know, the stuff a leader is supposed to do...look out for and save the lives of his soldiers. An important quality for a leader...more important than being tough. If you're a good guy that is.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

I am up to Heavy Metal war. The only thing impressive he has done is when he slammed through a wall in truck mode and pounded Megatron. Other than that, not much.

Once again, patience. It's coming in the second season. First season is the introduction of the characters with a little background. Second season adds depth to alot of the characters.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

That's where I have to give credit to the movies. They did a much better job of portraying him as super tough.

I'm trying to forget the live action movies. Super tough? I don't know...

"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade

"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne

I hope when you get to my sixty-three years old you can do the 4,000 crunches I do each of five days a week and work out with heavy iron on three. At my age, and with a 13, 10 and 4 year old that are my first three children, I'm like a shark -- I either swim or sink.

Originally Posted by Phil.Pastel

I'm a gym rat in spectacular physical shape. So no, I don't look or feel old at all.
But I'll catch up with you eventually.