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About Sir Nibble

Birthday27/02/1958

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Interesting things, like the taste of good ale, the smell of a beehive, the sound of a Rolls Royce Merlin, and the sight of a working pair of ploughing engines.
Being slightly drunk, slightly stoned and gently warmed by a friendly sun.
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You have repeated my point. "you can chose one that matches YOUR beliefs". Not match your beliefs to party policy. Policies change and one can not be expected to change personal principle to suit. In public the party member should support agreed policy but that doesn't prohibit them from seeking to change policy from within, nor from voting their conscience in the privacy of the polling booth.

I can't agree with this. Support for a political party should be because they agree with you, not because you agree with them. For the members to shape the party will always involve a lag between changes in grass roots opinion and policy. Signing up to a top down doctrine isn't politics, it's religion.

We already conform to a number of standards for a variety of markets. I don't see the UK having no say in California standards being a problem for jaguar cars or triumph motorcycles being sold into that lucrative market.

I would agree that constant reference to the wars of the last century is irrelevant. The only such reference I have encountered outside this thread was the young Polish woman who felt that brexit was a betrayal of the debt of gratitude we owe to Poland for their help against Germany.

Apropos of nothing, I remember when working in the factory at Castle Bromwich, a big sign saying. "No forklifts passed this point" and thinking what possible use is that to anyone unless they are in pursuit of a stolen forklift.