tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post8520837245697062229..comments2017-12-05T01:39:50.854-06:00Comments on The Ron Paul Survival Report: Ron Paul: "No" on Rosa Parks, "Yes" on Homophobic OrganizationsRon Lawlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-32480021035020251032008-07-16T03:49:00.000-05:002008-07-16T03:49:00.000-05:00the only correct answer sophie is that you and ron...the only correct answer sophie is that you and ron paul are racistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-22773266651732680392008-07-15T22:42:00.000-05:002008-07-15T22:42:00.000-05:00Sophie, are you just mentally incapable of making ...Sophie, are you just mentally incapable of making a coherent argument? You're trying to argue that the Boy Scouts coin is constitutional because of SOME reasons, while ignoring that the exact same reasons would apply to Rosa Parks. And that the Rosa Parks medal was unconstitutional because of completely unrelated reasons, while ignoring that the same reasons would apply to the boy scouts. Why are you completely incapable of applying the SAME STANDARD to BOTH cases? Oh, that's right, because you're a hypocrite.<BR/><BR/>You're saying that the boy scouts medal is okay because Congress has the authority and the SC hasn't challenged them. And that's different from Rosa Parks... how? At least in the case of Rosa Parks, there is precedent of congressional medals of honor while the founding fathers were still alive. No such precedent for the boy scouts.<BR/><BR/>Funny how when the US Mint coughs up the green to sponsor the production of a boy scout coin, it's PRIVATELY funded, even before a single coin has been sold, and therefore moral. But when the same US Mint coughts up green to sponsor the Rosa Parks medal, suddenly it's PUBLIC FUNDS, and therefore immoral. Funny how your description of the exact same scenario seems to change depending on the recipient, huh? You'll notice how the only difference between the two situations you provided is in the label, rather than the action.<BR/><BR/>Paultards are people who like to talk about reason and integrity and principles, but who don't actually have any.Ron Lawlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-63235571669535696352008-07-15T13:53:00.000-05:002008-07-15T13:53:00.000-05:00Congress maintains the authority to make commemora...Congress maintains the authority to make commemorative coin theme selections and to allocate funds via appropriations. As the Supreme Court stated, "The constitutionality of this delegation of authority has never been seriously questioned."<BR/><BR/>Commemorative coins are privately sponsored, and the current coin program allows theme sponsors to receive financial benefits that help the community. Since the U.S. Mint operates for-profit to enrich the public coffers, the choice to honor an organization such as the Boy Scouts is a smart financial move. All profits and losses are incurred in the process of the government's money-making business venture. <BR/><BR/>Congressional medal of honors, on the other hand, are immoral. Granted, the U.S. Mint makes money from the sale of replicas, but that is in order to recoup the tens of thousands of dollars already spent. The fact is that public funds -- <I>our</I> money -- is being used for the purchase of the medals. In essence, free money is being handed to a private individual by Congress with no conditions attached. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I care not for your accusations or for your obsession with the activities and practices of the BSA. However, it does trouble me when you continue to project your own hypocrisy on those you don't even respect enough to intelligently study their positions.Sophienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-38450220774828648262008-07-14T17:16:00.000-05:002008-07-14T17:16:00.000-05:00Sophie, stop changing the subject. Once again, I'...Sophie, stop changing the subject. Once again, I'm not asking you to defend the boy scouts, I'm asking you to defend the hypocrisy. Why are the boy scouts consistent with the constitution, but not Rosa Parks?<BR/><BR/>Saying, "Well, the US Mint code allows for the boy scouts coin" is irrelevant, because the US Mint code also allows for the production of congressional medals of honor. Hence, if the Boy Scouts are constitutional by this standard, then so is Rosa Parks, and you still need to explain why one is okay but not the other.<BR/><BR/>And your point of "well, if 0 people paid for the Rosa Parks medal, then the Mint would have lost money" is likewise non-unique (i.e., it applies to the boy scouts just as well, and therefore, doesn't refute the hypocrisy). For one thing, even if the sales were zero, the cost associated with the medal still would not have been paid for by tax dollars, it would have been paid for through the sale of replicas of other medals. Secondly, let's assume that the boy scouts coin had 0 sales. Who would foot the bill for production and design?<BR/><BR/>Why are you assuming that the sale of the Rosa Parks medal would be zero, but the sale of the boy scouts coin will be in the millions? Why do you need to rely on creating double standards in order to defend Ron Paul's hypocrisy or something?Ron Lawlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-49550122856155126042008-07-14T16:18:00.000-05:002008-07-14T16:18:00.000-05:00Are you saying that the U.S. Mint is unConstitutio...Are you saying that the U.S. Mint is unConstitutional? Payment of surcharges to recipient organizations is regulated by <A HREF="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode31/usc_sec_31_00005134----000-.html#f" REL="nofollow">Section 5134(f) of Title 31 of the United States Code</A>. Please refer to it. <BR/><BR/>We've established that the U.S. Mint is a for-profit government organization. Before any payments are made to designated organizations such as the BSA, all costs acquired by the production of the coins must first be covered by the sales. If not enough people had bothered to buy the commemorative coins, the BSA would have received zero, zip, zilch, nada. <BR/><BR/>As for the Rosa Parks medal, it was paid for by our money -- it came from public funds. The U.S. Mint was entrusted with the responsibility to earn money from the sale of replicas to offset the cost of the medal. However, Rosa Parks would still have received the $30,000 gold medal <I>regardless</I> of the outcome of the replica sales.Sophienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-7911174019820756082008-07-13T23:30:00.000-05:002008-07-13T23:30:00.000-05:00You're changing the subject again, Sophie. I aske...You're changing the subject again, Sophie. I asked you where the constitution had the authority to give the boy scouts money. You insist that this wasn't tax money. But tax money or not, that doesn't answer my question. Where does the constitution give congress the authority to give the boy scouts that money? Oh wait, it doesn't. Your entire argument is bullshit.<BR/><BR/>Moreover, the Rosa Parks medal was likewise self-funded, paid wllingly by people willing to purchase replicas (A list that doesn't include Ron Paul himself, despite his previous offer.).<BR/><BR/>Only in her case, Rosa Parks never received any of the cash herself. 100% of the money went back into the Public Enterprise Fund. So why did Ron Paul vote against Rosa Parks, but not the boy scouts?<BR/>You're trying to defend the boy scouts. What I'm asking you to do is defend the HYPOCRISY. Can you do that, or not?Ron Lawlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-58658493918007565872008-07-13T12:22:00.000-05:002008-07-13T12:22:00.000-05:00Congress isn't giving the Boy Scouts of America an...Congress <I>isn't</I> giving the Boy Scouts of America any tax dollars. <BR/><BR/>They are directing the U.S. Mint (which operates for profit) to <I>make</I> money for the government by, in this case, selling a coin that commemorates an American institution. The $10 surcharge is willingly paid by the people who purchase the coins for their collections, and it goes to the BSA with conditions attached. No one is forcing you to buy commemorative coins, and the government is actually earning money from the sales.Sophienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-76276622567374396302008-07-13T11:30:00.000-05:002008-07-13T11:30:00.000-05:00Non-sequitur, Sophie. You're saying that congress...Non-sequitur, Sophie. You're saying that congress has the power to coin oney, and you're arguing that giving money to the boy scouts is a good thing. But you see, you haven't established that Congress has the authority to give the boy scouts money. That's just something that you snuck in. Moreover, you haven't explained why the boy scouts are okay, but Rosa Parks is not.Ron Lawlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-21466076721981749172008-07-12T21:07:00.000-05:002008-07-12T21:07:00.000-05:00Either you don't know much about Coinage Acts, or ...Either you don't know much about Coinage Acts, or you don't care to do your research about how the U.S. Mint works. <BR/><BR/>Congress has the authority to coin money and regulate the value thereof, and thus have the ability to honor American people, places, events, and institutions. Although they are legal tender, the coins are not meant for general circulation and are limited in quantity. The U.S. Mint actually *makes* money from the minting and sale of the two commemorative coins they're allowed to release per year. <BR/><BR/>The surcharges you mention are effectively donations given by the individuals who purchase the coins to benefit whatever the Act specifies -- whether it be maintaining the Vietnam War Memorial, supporting Olympic programs, or in this case, the Boy Scouts of America. And if you had read H.R. 5872 carefully, you would have known that the money is paid to the BSA for them to spend only on local work "for the extension of Scouting in hard to serve areas" and such activities and expenses are subject to audit.Sophienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-11886639654670024692008-05-30T10:13:00.000-05:002008-05-30T10:13:00.000-05:00I'm surprised you haven't figured it out yet.Ron P...I'm surprised you haven't figured it out yet.<BR/><BR/>Ron Paul wants militias. He sees the boy scouts as being the training grounds for a militia. He wants good, god fearing boys ready for the comming race war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-51512592814236026822008-05-28T12:17:00.000-05:002008-05-28T12:17:00.000-05:00//Their group bylaws even includes a "Declaration ...//Their group bylaws even includes a "Declaration of Religious Principle," where all members must swear to recognize God as the "ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members.//<BR/><BR/>I guess this act violates the 1st?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-3910753027095701402008-05-27T00:51:00.000-05:002008-05-27T00:51:00.000-05:00So where does it say that Congress has the right t...So where does it say that Congress has the right to coin currency to serve as PRIVATE FUNDRAISERS FOR PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS? Because that's sort of the key point here, Anonymous Coward.<BR/><BR/>The constitution gives congress the right to regulate commerce, but you Paultards cry foul when they act on it. It gives congress the power to tax, and you Paultards cry foul when they act on it. If gives congress the power to fund the general welfare, and you Paultards cry foul. But somehow, when it comes to the coining clause, it apparently gives congress the right to allocate funds to anyone of their pleasing, so long as it's tangentially related to coining? Please.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and Ron Paul's offer to donate his own money: He lied. It's in the goddamned fact. He made a BS offer with absolutely no precedent, and then failed to follow up on it. The medal was self-funded through the sale of replicas. Ron Paul never bought one, despite his offer. QED, Ron Paul is a dirty liar.Ron Lawlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086109227989407484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-55229754356511863492008-05-27T00:14:00.000-05:002008-05-27T00:14:00.000-05:00"Congress has the right to coin currency and regul..."Congress has the right to coin currency and regulate the value thereof" <BR/><BR/> Um, I think you need to read the Constitution again sir. <BR/><BR/> And Ron Paul offered to pitch in some of his own money for the Rosa Parks, but sadly he was the only one in Congress to do so...<BR/><BR/> So sadly, you are mistaken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-449606627589080490.post-71364830829088982702008-05-26T21:34:00.000-05:002008-05-26T21:34:00.000-05:00I believe the correct term for that is racist, hom...I believe the correct term for that is racist, homophobic douchebag.<BR/><BR/>Also, I just found the topic of your next post. Check out who Ron Paul has been hiring with his Paultard donations:<BR/><BR/>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/26/AR2008052601620.htmlFuckRonPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112177899897152421noreply@blogger.com