Ayaan Hirsi Ali talked about reforming Islam on ABC’s This Week today, saying that it is “not a religion of peace” and Muslims need to get rid of the horrible, violent followers of the faith.

She spoke of a “huge group of Muslims” that are peace-loving who need to be more open to reform. Martha Raddatz asked her if, as someone who is no longer a believer, she should “really be the voice for that.”

Manal Omar made a similar observation, saying that with someone like Hirsi Ali, who is on record “attack Islam,” it’s “very hard for you to be able to call on a reform of Islam.” She and Hirsi Ali expressed some disagreements with what is written in the Qu’ran.

Raddatz asked Hirsi Ali if her words “incite people to be anti-Muslim.” Hirsi Ali insisted, “I’m not here to attack Muslims. I’m saying we need that courageous step.”