Well, when you're a consistent 10k hps behind in healing and constantly OOM, then you'd be straining your other healers more. 468 gear doing 25m Feng, my healing was getting carried and there was not much I could do about it. Ever since I switched to Holy, mana and healing have felt a lot better.

I would love they will "buff" is either decrease mana cost of power word shield approx to like 12000 mana to get rapture more often or buff rapture hardly.

I still don't agree with the fact that Heal is mana negative. It should be neutral. With this throughput buff we don't have to cast as often to keep up and thus solves most mana issues. I wasn't really having a major problem last night. You have to get out of the spamming mindset and get back into the carefully calculated spell choice mindset.

The problem is apparent in PvE, too. But then again, you were saying for awhile we were "Fine", right? Do I recall correctly? Guess your feedback isn't worth much at all on this subject.

We were alright. We weren't anywhere compared to where we were at the start of Cata. We weren't amazing, but we were alright. This makes us highly competitive. Pretty sure my feedback is just as valuable as anyone else, thanks. If you don't care for it, fine. But plenty do, and ask me for my opinion on things.

I will agree that heal should be mana neutral, even perhaps slightly positive. That's what it was designed for. It was supposed to be an "autoattack" heal. But in both facets of the game, this would be mostly a trival change.

Heal costing net mana is a symptom of priests out-of-whack mechanics, but not the solution.

I think the main point of it all is this. Yes, maybe we're fine, and can still be viable and competative, but to achieve this level we have to be careful about what we cast, when we cast it and if it will be most effective. Why do WE have to be in that mindset all the time when other healers are just spamming and not really being mindful of mana and getting away with just as effective, if not more, play than a priest who is watching their mana like a hawk?

I think the main point of it all is this. Yes, maybe we're fine, and can still be viable and competative, but to achieve this level we have to be careful about what we cast, when we cast it and if it will be most effective. Why do WE have to be in that mindset all the time when other healers are just spamming and not really being mindful of mana and getting away with just as effective, if not more, play than a priest who is watching their mana like a hawk?

Intresting to note that Paragon is 5/6 HC 10 men, world 1st in ranking with priest healer. And seems that priest has been on every hc kill.

If you also look at almost every other top 100 raid they sat their priests because of the lack luster performances. To be fair having so many top end guilds/raid sit priest the numbers for them on WoL are going to be worse then they really should be.

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Originally Posted by Nymie

Except for having huge mana issues compared to most heals.

and having to use renew more then they have since vanilla.

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. -Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle"

Did you all miss the fact that there was a huge buff to PoH and PoM? What world are you living in?

That happened today not much was said about it and the tooltip in game doesnt reflect the change so yeah its pretty easy to miss.

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. -Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle"

As usual with the beginning of the expansion, people can't spam like they did in dragon soul that cry for buffs. Look at your healing log, then look at everyone else. The 2 bottom healers on that list, are the ones doing a horrible, horrible job with their class. I don't mean this offensively, but it's pretty awful playing.

I feel very happy with my priests performance (as discipline), no i'm not topping as easily as some other classes that usually do at the start of an expansion.

I invite you to test this mindset in PvP before you say we have no mana issues.

1. Drop Divine Insight and use Power Infusion until you have more regen. While DI is godly OP, it's also a huge mana suck, especially when PI increases both throughput and efficiency.

2. Be more offensive, and use smite to fish for FDCL procs. Try and limit your 'healing' to FDCL procs and instant cast heals unless your countering heavy bust; in that case, pop AA and heal like a boss. Remember, Disc is a full blown hybrid spec now, so you're only hurting yourself if you aren't playing like one. A double bonus, because I'm not spamming 'heals', I'm harder to pick out of a crowd as a healer (if I avoid penance), and don't get focused as much.

With those two changes, my mana problems are gone because most of my heals are free (Atonement is mana neutral, and I'm swimming in FDCL procs), my throughput increased because I can always use AA when I need it, and I'm putting pressure on the other teams healers, while I'm still healing.