Even though a part of me was sure that was coming, it still made me sick watching Cam Heyward put on that Steelers hat.

I'm not feeling too warm and tingly after tonight's proceedings.

---"It was great training being there. They do it with character and intelligence. They run that organization the right way. They build through the draft. They're patient. It's just the right way to do it. It was a tremendous opportunity to be with them." Jimmy Haslam on why he'd model the Browns after the Steelers, 10/16/12

There has to be something with Bowers that the teams know and we don't. If he's there at 37 I know I wouldn't be able to pass him up, but I can't believe he's fallen this far - so what do I know?

Something tells me he's coming off the board quick tomorrow, though.

---"It was great training being there. They do it with character and intelligence. They run that organization the right way. They build through the draft. They're patient. It's just the right way to do it. It was a tremendous opportunity to be with them." Jimmy Haslam on why he'd model the Browns after the Steelers, 10/16/12

fuck. i would have liked hey in rnd 2. watch him turn into LT...before the crackCan't really complain about taylor..good pick but agree giving up a 3rd was stupid.Also...very glad we didn't pick julio jones...dude drops more balls than braylon.

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OldDawg wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have a net gain of three picks? We gained 4 in the first trade, and lost one in the second one. Not to be picky..

Yeah but a lot of us feel we could have gotten Taylor or Wilkinson at 27 and not have given up a third. Like spending a dollar on the lotto, winning a thousand bucks then giving away 998. Sure you're still up but it coulda been better.

Phil Taylor blocked me for telling him to get to training camp. F*** that guy.

OldDawg wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have a net gain of three picks? We gained 4 in the first trade, and lost one in the second one. Not to be picky..

Yeah but a lot of us feel we could have gotten Taylor or Wilkinson at 27 and not have given up a third. Like spending a dollar on the lotto, winning a thousand bucks then giving away 998. Sure you're still up but it coulda been better.

But there are reliable reports that the Iggles would have snarfed up Taylor at 23rd. Instead they had to use their pick for a 40 year old rookie OG.

Like the first round of Cameron Jordan and Mark Ingram. Not too keen on giving up next year's first, but having finished the season with DeShawn Wynn and Julius Jones gives me a little more of a sense of importance. I wont mind that deal too much if the pick is 25+.

Guess this means Reggie's days may be numbered in Nola. From his twitter account...‎

reggie_bush‎: It's been fun New Orleans.

"Dammit you piss me off. I f#ckin hate you and I hope you f#cking get killed by a rabid polar bear you douche bag."

I heard the Ravens had a hard-on for Taylor so they could have Taylor spell Ngata and not lose anything. And he is the players the Browns had targeted since the Senior Bowl. Giving up a third was not that big a deal to get the guy they really wanted that was going to be gone when they were on the clock. Look at it this way, the Falcons' stupidity in giving away the farm for Braylon, the Sequel allowed the Brownies to make the pick they were banking on.

Oh, and they have an extra second and now a pair of firsts next season. And nothing for nothing, Matt Ryan does take a lot of hits. He was sacked 23 times last season and rushed the ball 46 times. He also had that turf toe injury in '09. My point is that it would not be surprising to see Ryan miss some games this year.

Also, Atlanta had to come from behind a ton of times last year, I think it was six or seven times, and the breaks seemed to always go their way. Atlanta could finish 13-3 or 8-8...neither would surprise me. So that first rounder next year could be very good. Also, look at the NFC South...Atlanta went 5-1 in the division last season...that is not going to happen again. They also have roadies to Chicago, Indy and Seattle as well as Detroit (who might be a lot better if Stafford is healthy). They also have a home game against the Pack. They have seven 2010 playoff participants on their 2011 schedule and play in the toughest divison in football. I am calling a down year in Atlanta.

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OldDawg wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have a net gain of three picks? We gained 4 in the first trade, and lost one in the second one. Not to be picky..

Yeah but a lot of us feel we could have gotten Taylor or Wilkinson at 27 and not have given up a third. Like spending a dollar on the lotto, winning a thousand bucks then giving away 998. Sure you're still up but it coulda been better.

OldDawg wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have a net gain of three picks? We gained 4 in the first trade, and lost one in the second one. Not to be picky..

Yeah but a lot of us feel we could have gotten Taylor or Wilkinson at 27 and not have given up a third. Like spending a dollar on the lotto, winning a thousand bucks then giving away 998. Sure you're still up but it coulda been better.

Yeah, that's the same.

My "net gain of three of three picks" was referencing the quote below that said we gained 4 picks yesterday, when it was really 3, after losing one to get Taylor.

I am with most of you guys, that I was stunned that we traded up to get Taylor. However, as many of you have alluded, the Browns brass must have known he wouldn't be there.

I wasn't comforted much about the TV commentary last night that said that Taylor could only be a MG in a 3-4. If we're trading up, can we get someone who knows the position he will play for us??

Schumer was on M&M this morning, discussing the trade down and Taylor. Now, of course Heckert is running the show, so take what Pat has to say with a grain or salt, but the first thing he mentioned was PT's ability to penetrate the line and get to teh QB. It was my understanding that he was more of a NT/DT type that took on double teams and occupied blockers. I havent read much about his pass rush ability. ANyone?

Schumer was on M&M this morning, discussing the trade down and Taylor. Now, of course Heckert is running the show, so take what Pat has to say with a grain or salt, but the first thing he mentioned was PT's ability to penetrate the line and get to teh QB. It was my understanding that he was more of a NT/DT type that took on double teams and occupied blockers. I havent read much about his pass rush ability. ANyone?

Didn't get many sacks at Baylor, but can cave in a line. Word from some scouts is he shows a swim move (at sr bowl practices) and isn't as lumbering as is protrayed.

But again, I know its Shermer's quote, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he'll be asked to do.

Schumer was on M&M this morning, discussing the trade down and Taylor. Now, of course Heckert is running the show, so take what Pat has to say with a grain or salt, but the first thing he mentioned was PT's ability to penetrate the line and get to teh QB. It was my understanding that he was more of a NT/DT type that took on double teams and occupied blockers. I havent read much about his pass rush ability. ANyone?

Didn't get many sacks at Baylor, but can cave in a line. Word from some scouts is he shows a swim move (at sr bowl practices) and isn't as lumbering as is protrayed.

But again, I know its Shermer's quote, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he'll be asked to do.

Cool. Heard he shined at the Senior Bowl.

Kirwin and Co interviewed him on Sirius last night. He was gushing about a play during the SB where he "fork-lifted" some guard. Said he got goose bumps.

I know those guys on NFL net sirius are way over the top, but it made me feel pretty good about the pick :-)

Don't you guys think Ingram would maybe have been a top 10 pick if he had come out LAST year? People were crazy about him last year. It will be interesting to see if Luck's draft status changes in a year. Luck was a lock to be the #1 pick this year.

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