I have mentioned the exploit with towers and staffs before. And i came up with something - instead of making staffs useable by towers - Totem of Horrors could be used to carry staffs and spellbooks. This would make spellbooks useable by all the classes. Just add a manapool to the totem which is used for casting then, opening up a whole new array of possibilities. Effects like regeneration, mass healing, invsibility and Ring of Ressurection. Also a nice array of offensive spells could be used 1-2 times every 5 minutes (with estimated 50 mana on the totem of horror). This would still balance with the need for a shaman, since the totem can only be crafted by him.Additional thoughts:- this ability could be added to the God's Totem too- make Totem of Horror available for all classes in Voodoo Hut- forget about the spellbooks and make staffs only useable by Totem of Horror.

I think i have found some other bugs too, although I am not that sure.

The amount gained by consuming troll meat and meat as ghost seems to be off by 50% health.

Malaria and Plague seem to deal switched amounts of damage to mana and health, dealing more damage than draining mana. Plague does 6(-1 regain) HP / 3 seconds on normal if i am not mistaken. I havent really tested it but it seemed odd. Might just have been the heat of the moment and that you can sleep mana back up and health not.

I have encountered some, what i believed, erratas with the displaytextonscreen that is used when you press a recipe without having the neccessary ingedients. Upon testing them i noticed that the function itself seems to be the problem. Some repipes overwrite the text of others, showing the right ingredients but not the right title. For example, if you press make Fur Boots inside tannery and have pressed Dagger before, dislayed text shows: "Troll: We haz no ingredienz for Dagger. We needz 1 Animal Fur and 1 Rope."In Tannery that is:Craft Fur Boots, Craft Fur Gauntlets, Craft Leather Boots, Craft Leather Boots GauntletsErratas:Troll Hut kit : "Me needz" instead or "We needz" in tannery.Tannery: "4 Wood and 2 Pig Skins" instead of 3 Woods and 2 Pig Skins with basic crafting recipes.Fishing Rod. "1 Wood or Petrified Wood, 1 Bone, 1 Rope and 1 Feather" instead of 1 Wood or Petrified Wood, 1 Tinder and 1 Feather.

I'm writing down these which are really bugs.Some of the others:- when feeding any animal/spirit, the full amount of health/mana is gained in two halves: first after 5 sec, the second after 10 sec;- shotgun and flamethrower are meant to have only ground attack (I'll see the tooltip);- remote mines attack automatically only trolls. They are expensive and I thought this way is better. For every other target they can be ordered to attack. How could I rename them to become more clear?

I can't remember - what's that exploit with the towers?

I have certain problems with temporary values which are overlapping. In notifications it isn't much of a problem, but for achievements...And it is strange and shouldn't happen. When I set a temp value, it should replace the value contained before in the same variable... But slowly becomes clear to me the case isn't exactly as I thought I'll see about that.

Oh, that tower post should be suggestions actually, my bad - But the exploit is that you can swap staffs through towers cancelling any cooldown on them. You can build an array of like 5 towers, 15 wood and use 2 staffs or more to cast 5 times Freeze and then after that 5 times lightning to kill what is left of your enemies. After that time the cooldown for the Freeze staff should be gone and you can do the same over.

That with shotgun was my fault , i was thinking of a hunting rifle with lead shots - I get now what you were intending with it.

Most of the other stuff are just Erratas, they arent even worth looking into as long there are other problems at hand.

About the mine, I was just working down my lists of notes, i did not intend to sound rude in any way. No the problem is that you need a trigger, like radiowaves to detonate sth. remotely.So remote mine is a bit misleading, just call it Mine, Explosive Trap, Claymore or Bouncing Betty.

I encountered it after I placed the Greater Merchant normally, later in game dismounted it and then while rebuilding I hit abort to place it somewhere else.Upon abort it just disolved without spawning a Greater Merchant Kit.

Some other game I sold a item and a random explosion without any effect appeared in my base. I guess that was the trigger from Ring of Ressurection.Btw, what is the range of that ring?

When you click on the ring, the dummy unit connected to it is being moved to your location. It is invisible. This unit's resurrection ability has some limited range, so if you move in the meantime, you should press the item again so you can use the ability. Sorry, I had to do it this way to prevent the exploit and still keep it stable.

Those flying sheeps are minions of the Evil Easter Bunny, aren't they?

I encountered hundreds of flying sheep on the map today. Is this some kind of joke?! XD

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I am going to do a report on 5.1:

- New breeding system has proven to be a valuable asset to JTR. Animals no longer die out after 20 days, not even rabbits and raccoons.

- The increased breeding has caused a drastic increase in units across the map. I suggest lowering the lvl 3 animals to only breed 1-2, down from 1-3.

- Flying sheeps? Really? Are these on purpose? (Sheeps give xp so it's just free xp for trolls.)

- Crafting fishing bait has solved the problem for waiting days for meat to rot (Even if it's more realistic, but because of the script to create rotten meat does not need a day, but more, it's difficult).

- The increase in fishing speed has significantly improved every player's motivation for fishing, and is therefore now great.

- The new Hunter's rework on the taming has proven to be great. However, there is no feature to view how much "Taming energy" the Hunter has. I'd like to see this.

- The changes to "Choose your starting item" is a valuable asset, and has proven to work great (aside from the tannery bug in 5.1)

- Fatal and critical errors have been reported to occur way less than in versions below 4.8. Changes and reworks of some triggers and scripts may have reduced this. Good thing.

AND Bird's nests are hovering over the ground, I havent seen one mounted on a tree tbh.This was just with my first testrun on Bnet with MMH.Can we agree on adding the version we have encountered the bug AND the way/realm it was hosted on? I have the strong feeling that this is bot related.

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AND Bird's nests are hovering over the ground, I havent seen one mounted on a tree tbh.This was just with my first testrun on Bnet with MMH.Can we agree on adding the version we have encountered the bug AND the way/realm it was hosten on? I have the strong feeling that this is bot related.

It's the way the bot can manipulate allied status, team preferences etc, in lobby. There is a similiar problem with the team setups with another survival map on MMH, namely Island Troll Tribes. The teamsettings etc. are mixed up there too.Since player 13 and following are a party too, they could be affected.As i said I assume that this is the cause and restriced to the linux based bots of MMH, since this was not reported in normal games.

If you can add replays of other games with 5.1 and provide the way and realm it was hosted, I think this can be sorted out.Also the previous encountered sheep at the center, I am not sure if I have encountred it on garena too.This bug is in my view atm not critical to the gameplay, except the neutral antilopes.

EDIT:Ok, i have only done two replays now. Judging from them, one (random) animals class can spawn some neutral level 1 units which are causing the later spawnings of flying sheep (map dummies), This can be seen in the first replay at the South East swamp area right below the Piranhias. At 3:10 a the first flying sheep spawns directly above the neutal Hermit crab. As I ve said before these are just assumptions. The second replay is just 1 player and with no spawning bugs.

Hm, that is strange because so far I have not encountered any other situation where these things happened. But I have to admit that these were just test and no real games, not even enough to judge if it might be related to some mode.

Edit: THANKS! That was actually helpful! I was wondering how it could be that I had a different result between other peoples tests and mine. That was really on the wrong track with the bots. I looked at the replay again to see what the other players did and saw one hunter attacking(possibly taming) a crab close to the moment the dummy spawned - I remembered one post where you said that you prefer to play hunter and I guess you have played that class too when you tested. I did 3 short runs with taming and the neutral units and the sheeps appeared every time at exact the same time I tried to tame an animal. The results went from aborting the taming and just spawning a neutral copy next to me, spawning 2 neutral copies randomly on the map and granting me a minor vision of them and third nothing obvious until I could see the whole map and find the neutral copies and the map dummies.

- it is unimportant how many players are in game or which player uses Hunter's taming ability - the bug is not restricted to one animal or the first you tame - neutral Copies of the tamed unit are spawned randomly over the map (maybe the designated spawning areas) - it is not restricted to any realm or hosting method - appearing in single as in multiplayer.

Hey, the Tannery/Spear bug should be fixed too!I even tested it!And if it wasn't your help, I'd still be banging my head in the wall trying to understand why those sheep appear...

You know, I just played 5.2 today and you know what I saw?

I saw a neutral passive bear. And some flying sheep.

Oh and yeah, my bad. I was just talking about the Tannery bug...Don't worry, it's fixed.

XD. The side effects of scripts and triggers...

I am not sure if it's a good idea to give vision in the middle to the old troll and voodoo merchant. I encountered I was about to buy a soul pact, and the other player on a different team just started spamming the Greatest Elixir.

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Bugs found for 5.1 and 5.2:

- You can't reanimate imperial crabs. Attempting just makes a River Crab.