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Re: The Trouble With Girls

Sat Jun 28, 2003 5:20 pm

carolynlm wrote:...and in one scene when he and the union lady are having an argument in his hotel room, he looks to his left and laughs. It seems as though he is laughing at someone off camera. This may be the closest we will ever get to a movie 'out-take'.

I like this movie a lot too, Carolyn, and what a great scene! What I wonder though is why that laugh is overdubbed. They didn't like the way Elvis's laugh sounded, or what???

Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:19 pm

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Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:42 am

I guess whatever was happening or being said off-camera must have interfered sonically with Elvis's real laugh, so they had to overdub it. The look on his face is priceless, though, regardless of whether the laugh was "live"--or even Elvis's, for that matter.

His demeanor is super-cool throughout that movie!

Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:55 am

That he seems to be breezing through the story and not acting so much should not be confused (not saying you are, Carolyn) with his not putting any effort into his performance. A comment like that means that he was acting well. I don't believe he always acted so well, so don't think I am just a staunch defender of Elvis's acting. I think that by the time he made this movie, he was more at ease in front of the camera than in a lot of his earlier pictures. His acting was similar in Live A Little, Love A Little. I happen to like that one a lot, too.

Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:16 am

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Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:40 am

That scene in Stay Away Joe when Elvis' nose ran during the party as he and Charlie Hodge go outside (you can see them laugh) is a cracker, too.

I hope that this great movie will be out on dvd someday !

Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:09 pm

I really like this movie a lot too, I really hope that this movie will be released on dvd someday.

jekhb
holland.

Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:55 pm

Agree with BobbyTCB's comments about Elvis acting in TWG.

In some of his earlier films you can see Elvis acting, nothing wrong with that but sometimes 'less is best' as Michael Caine once said in an acting masterclass. Elvis acting in the later films like TWG, Change of Habit, Stay Away Joe, Live A Little Love A Little was much more understated. In Charro he overstated the understated slightly but its no big deal -hes always watchable.

Elvis laughs at Marlyn Masons reactions -it appears to be a dubbed laugh. That scene might well have been cut short theres a well known publicity still where Marilyn Mason Ed Andrews & Elvis are together and Marlyn is seated on the floor and ELvis is on the couch laughing out loud. I don't remember that still being from a scene in the film but it looks like its from the same laughing scene. Anyone remember seeing this still or that scene in the finished film? There might be different edits of Trouble With Girls -the listed running time has been known to vary.

Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:13 pm

Paul, is this the one you meen?

I have always loved it!! I love seeing and hearing Elvis laughing!

Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:55 pm

The demon likes the fact that she wears pantyhose all through the movie...almost as good as Shelly Fabaras in Clamebake. Pantyhose in the water skiing scene gotta love that!!

Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:03 pm

Great photos Little Sister and Paul Wood...............although as far as the movie goes I personally rate it one of his absolute worst.............the scenes he is in are fine ......it's all the surrounding storylines which are so lame and just plain boring, in my opinion at least - he is more like a bit part player in his own movie - although Marylin Mason is entertaining at times too - they do work well together (that's when he is actually on screen !!)

Anyway my main reason for posting is to ask you a question Paul - where did you locate the screen captures from, are they from the recent VCD release of this movie ?

The quality seems very good - even though I don't like the movie as a whole there's always the fforward button.

AND THEN THE MUSIC!

Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:04 am

Remember CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACK YARD?
When I saw TTWG in the Cinema, the song was not featured in that movie version!
But, I recall seeing part of the movie on TV, some years ago, actually having the scene where Elvis sings this "goodie"!
Anyone?

Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:19 am

I never saw TTWG in the cinema, but my video version has “Clean Up Your Own Backyard” included, and every time I have seen it on television the song has always been there. For me Elvis’ performances of “Clean Up Your Own Backyard” and “Swing Down Sweet Chariot” from this movie are the two real highlights of the film.

Elvis looks extremely cool throughout this movie, but the storyline, or lack of it didn’t really capture my attention. The film is well worth having for the aforementioned two songs though.

AGAIN I AGREE WITH YOU ROCKIN'

Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:33 am

I think Elvis looked better and better through the late sixties movies!
I still remember the shock of seeing him in the opening scenes of PARADISE, H.S. He never looked "heavier" through the sixties movies than that one!
And also I remember his voice, still good, but "deeper"! His body really gave some resonance to his voice! As also heard at the end of the 70's!
Well....

Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:44 am

BobbyTCB wrote:That he seems to be breezing through the story and not acting so much should not be confused (not saying you are, Carolyn) with his not putting any effort into his performance. A comment like that means that he was acting well.

Wow. That is an amazing and most unique conclusion.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:06 am

paulwood wrote:In some of his earlier films you can see Elvis acting, nothing wrong with that but sometimes 'less is best' as Michael Caine once said in an acting masterclass. Elvis acting in the later films like TWG, Change of Habit, Stay Away Joe, Live A Little Love A Little was much more understated.

Man, I would sign this statement any time! That is exactly what I think about these later movies!

In TWG Elvis not only has a strong supporting cast. He also the opportunity to RESPOND to someone. IMO the problem that many fans have with this film is that it ISN'T the typical Elvis movie. The same people that complain about Elvis not getting good films also complain about this film! I don't get it.

Is it okay if I quote myself? This is from a posting I wrote about two months ago:

see-see-rider wrote:First of all the songs fit into the story. Almost all of them are performed on stage. The supporting cast is excellent and so is the whole scene. The directing is unusual for an "Elvis movie" as it focuses on the characters and milieu more than on its "star". In fact this movie doesn't even have stars except for probably only the two children (who are by the way great).

Elvis - not forced to play himself here - gets the chance to react to his co-stars: The scene where Mason has her tantrum and leaves the room, gets back, leaves, gets back and Elvis and Edward Andrews are in there and first listen and then break start laughing is hilarious (among others) and one of the best scenes in an Elvis film IMHO. He's absolutely cool (and not pretending as if he was), he seems to be at ease and to me he's more authentic here since probably Flaming Star, Follow That Dream or Kid Gallahad.

Maybe the problem is that this movie doesn't have a story to tell like so many of the constructed films before pretended to have. Or do you really think Roustabout or Double Trouble is more believable? Come on! Instead this movie focuses - like I said - on all the characters and little in-between stories and it does it in a very honest and good way.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:18 am

Loving Elvis Presley and acknowledging the fact that most -- if not all -- of his cinematic efforts between 1960 and 1969 are crap should not be mutally exclusive. Give it a try!

God bless.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:10 am

Clint - the TWG pics are old screen grabs from the video. Is that a new log in pic? The grabs came out okay because I used to have a half decent video player ( not anymore unfortunately).

Little Sister - youve got the right still - don't know about anyone else but I don't remember that moment being in the movie.

Bobbie Gentry was originaly considered for the part of Charlene the role Marlyn Mason played.
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Talking of outakes - Elvis blew up balloons with helium on the set and when the cameras were rolling to shoot a scene one time he took a gulp of helium and sang 'Hound Dog' in a mickey mouse voice. LOL Maryln Mason wrote and told me that -and said it was filmed.

Lots of people say that most of Elvis films in the 60's were crap-but I like them. Personally I don't care for some of the Sun Recordings but if some people think they are the best thing ELvis ever did- no problem!

Isn't it down to personal taste?
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Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:45 am

paulwood wrote:Lots of people say that most of Elvis films in the 60's were crap-but I like them.

Ever wonder why "lots of people" feel that way?

paulwood wrote:Personally I don't care for some of the Sun Recordings but if some people think they are the best thing ELvis ever did- no problem!

Isn't it down to personal taste?

Actually -- in this example -- no.

It trivializes Elvis Presley's seminal Sun recordings -- music that <i>changed the world</i> -- to compare them to his awful 1960s films.

It is beyond comprehension that anyone might try.

God bless!

Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:22 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:

BobbyTCB wrote:That he seems to be breezing through the story and not acting so much should not be confused (not saying you are, Carolyn) with his not putting any effort into his performance. A comment like that means that he was acting well.

Wow. That is an amazing and most unique conclusion.

Well, I will never make the mistake I made before of assuming that you were being sarcastic, DJC, since you are obviously such a stranger to sarcasm. Thank you for the sincere compliment!

On a more serious note, I stand by that comment. My next statement in that post was "I don't believe he always acted so well, so don't think I am just a staunch defender of Elvis's acting. I think that by the time he made this movie, he was more at ease in front of the camera than in a lot of his earlier pictures." It's as simple as that. Elvis was not a fantastic actor, and Elvis's movies from 1960 to 1969 certainly leave plenty to be desired. So don't take my remarks out of context. I don't think it is going out on a limb to say that Elvis became a better actor over time but unfortunately had insufficient opportunities to showcase his improved abilities.

It is probably hard to comprehend his being a better actor when the movies were poorer, so if that's too much to digest, just consider that Elvis's acting became more subtle or understated as he matured, and the effect was that it came across as more natural.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:30 am

I enjoy watching Elvis's movies.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:31 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:

paulwood wrote:Lots of people say that most of Elvis films in the 60's were crap-but I like them.

Ever wonder why "lots of people" feel that way?

Well, that just about takes the cake. "Lots of people" are bigots too, so I guess their viewpoints are inherently valid, DJC?

The point is, this is all a matter of personal opinion, period. There isn't much that's indisputable around here. If that was the case, there wouldn't be this message board.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:35 am

sam wrote:I enjoy watching Elvis's movies.

Sam-

Real fans like us are weird like that.

Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:21 am

I listen to Elvis' music quite often as well as other good artists. I can't remember, however, the last time I watched an Elvis feature film. I've seen many documentaries and concert videos and dvds. It must be about 8-10 years since I've seen a whole film. His films just don't interest me that much. I'n sure I will watch some of his films again at some point but, really, most of them bore me or embarrass me.
I can honestly say that there are probably only 6 or 7 Elvis films that can really be called good or okay.
My choices would be in no particular order:

Loving You
Jailhouse Rock
King Creole
Flaming Star
Wild In The Country
Follow That Dream (okay but a good change of pace for our hero)
Change Of Habit (okay film but not great)

If I were to do an Elvis marathon, these would be the ones I would watch. There are a couple others that do have some fine moments but overall aren't very good.
Just my opinion.