posted November 08, 2012 12:16 PM
I have been wondering about the importance of Black moon lilith in Synastry despite it being a hypothetical point because it pops up in synastries of certain couples therefore it seems to hold some importance.How has bml in appeared in your past synastries what have you noticed?

"Black Moon Lilith is not about any of the above. Her bad reputation may have come about because of her electric magnetism, psychic abilities and power to mesmerize. Obviously, these gifts are wonderful unless they are used for manipulation, mind control and promoting evil deeds. But in herself, she is not “evil.” However, she is bewitching.

Lastly, of course, she is highly sexual. Her sexuality is not primarily used for procreation, which for some religions is deemed as sinful. So, its power can be used for spiritual enlightenment and finding the god/goddess within. This is very threatening for Western religions that place Godliness outside the human body and Mother Earth. This is how Lilith became demonized.

Black Moon LilithHarmonious Lilith aspects between partners will show how you can bring magic into each other’s life. Like a good Mars/Venus connection, it will show how Tantric your sexual relations could be. It also shows how magnetically attracted you are to each other – the all important chemistry. Hard aspects to the personal planets may show an irresistible, obsessive attraction, the sort that hypnotizes you into abandoning your more regular Moon/domestic commitments. Hence, her reputation as a “bunny boiler.” On the other hand, she can break the spell of entrenched habitual behavior.

Therefore, synastry connections with Black Moon Lilith show where you feel this magic and how it plays out. Double whammys (for example, your Lilith aspects their Sun and their Lilith aspects your Sun) are great because they give each partner the opportunity to be “The Lilith,” and that makes them the most powerful of all.

Black Moon Lilith/Sun aspectsHarmonious: The Sun partner will flood the Lilith partner with magical sunbeams, amping up their power. The Lilith partner will inspire creativity in the Sun partner, making them feel like a King or Queen.Stressful: The Sun partner will feel their ego undermined by a manipulative Lilith. Lilith could feel dominated and crushed by a bossy Sun and respond by attempting to darken their light.

Black Moon Lilith/Moon aspectsHarmonious: The Moon partner will resonate with the Lilith’s nocturnal magical world, inspiring dreams and heightening their intuition. The Lilith partner will shake the Moon out of bad habits and inspire them to focus on their own magic and not let them get bogged down by domesticity.Stressful: The Moon partner could smother Lilith’s sexuality and want to tame their animal magnetism. Lilith could manipulate the Moon partner emotionally and tempt them away from domestic responsibilities.

Black Moon Lilith/Mercury aspectsHarmonious: The Mercury partner can inspire magic words and poetry from the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner can read the Mercury partner’s mind. Together, they can amplify each other’s psychic abilities and turn each other on with words.Stressful: The Mercury person could use logic to demean the Lilith person’s intuitive reasoning. The Lilith partner could penetrate and brainwash the Mercury person’s mind.

Black Moon Lilith/Venus aspectsHarmonious: The Venus partner will give pure love to Lilith’s raw sexuality, refining to its highest vibration. The Lilith partner can ignite a fire in the Venus partner and push their love to tantric ecstasy.Stressful: The Venus partner could feel overwhelmed and threatened by the Lilith partner’s powerful sexuality. The Lilith partner may feel trapped by Venusian materialism and be unimpressed by the Venus partner’s weakness for surface beauty and bling!

Black Moon Lilith/Mars aspectsHarmonious The Mars partner will be firing on all cylinders from the Lilith’s partners sexual enthusiasm, a recipe for releasing the Kundalini if ever there was one. The Lilith partner will be constantly “on heat” from their ardent Mars partner.Stressful: The negative side of this contact is if the aspect is not played out sexually. The Mars partner’s rage will be ignited by the Lilith partner, resulting in possible violence or verbal abuse. The Lilith partner’s frustration and sexual jealousy could result in Lilith psychically attacking and directing too much energy toward the Mars partner, draining their own creativity. If played out sexually, it is one that could enflame fiercely, then burn out.

Black Moon Lilith/Jupiter aspectsHarmonious: The Jupiter partner will feel spiritualized and uplifted by the Lilith partner. The Lilith partner will feel their magic expanded by the enthusiastic Jupiter partner, and in return will worship them as a God or Goddess!Stressful: The Jupiter partner may feel constricted by the Lilith partner’s sexual demands. The Lilith partner may feel the Jupiter partner overly judgmental of their wild and less than ecclesiastical behaviour.

Black Moon Lilith/Saturn aspectsHarmonious: The Saturn partner feels poetic, loosens up and inspired to break the rules when the Lilith partner waves their magic wand. The Lilith partner crystallizes their magic into solid form, thanks to Saturn’s discipline.Stressful: The Saturn partner could put the Lilith partner’s sexuality on a leash, constricting them too tightly and thereby trapping their creativity. The Lilith partner may enjoy teasing and tempting the Saturn partner out of their responsibilities – and seducing them away from their work.

“…We all have Lilith’s plutonic quality in us, the unconscious energy that brings up harsh boundaries between life and death, ecstasy and suffering, passion and revulsion, enslavement and freedom. How do we honor Lilith in our lives? Do we exile her from consciousness or build her a sanctuary for potent, creative expression? When she contacts Eros in another, the answer to that question is found in the heart of a powerfully erotic relationship.

Eros wants intense encounters that lead to lasting transformation. His touch is all at once sexual, creative and spiritual. Lilith brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger and rage. She is deeply alluring and irresistible. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. Lilith desires sacred sex above all things.

In the rare instance where these two do meet, the results are truly awe inspiring, changing our lives in intense and lasting ways. How we respond to this synastry contact has a lot to do with our own relationship to power and sexuality. It "wakes up” those areas inside of us and causes us to express them sexually, free from the restrictions of reality.

Since both Eros and Lilith are isolated energies buried deep in the unconcious, the erotic transformation which takes place upon their meeting is deep with raw and intuitive spiritual potency. Their capacity for intimacy and shared desire to melt into the fires of transformation is nothing short of total risk, which each are compelled to take- no questions asked. As a result, this aspect can feel like opening a can of worms that literally fly, not crawl, out of the unconscious.

There is no superficial way to get to know Lilith through the experience of the erotic. There is always a risk with Eros when he falls on a personal planet of point, and meeting Lilith is the greatest of them. Relationships that provoke her and Eros, although excruciatingly potent at times, serve as a meeting place for both divine figures. Once awakened, no matter how untamed the experience becomes, we are given a rare opportunity to integrate, redeem and restore Eros and Lilith to a place of honor through shared, transcendental sexual activity. At the end of the day, that is all this god and goddess really ask for."

BML-SUN:6/15BML-Moon: 8/15BML-Mercury:8/15BML-Venus:5/15BML-Mars:3/15BML-Saturn:3/15BML-Pluto:6/15BML-JUNO:10/15BML:EROS:6/15 really 5/15 but two were in a double whammyBML-Psyche:6/15 really 5/15 one sextile was too wide for my liking BML-Karma:5/15BML-Union:7/15BML-Valentine:8/15BML-Neptune:4/15BML-Amor:6/15BML-Lust: 10/15BML-Vesta: 7/15BML-Pallas:8/15BML-Cupido:5/15BML-ASC:4/15BML-MC:3/15BML-Chiron:3/15BML-BML:3/15

Conclusion: Juno and Lust connected with BML is the most prominent pattern with 10 of the 15 couples with this aspect the most oftenSecond prominent aspect Moon, Mercury, Valentine, and Pallas. With 8 out of 15Third: Union and Vesta 7 out of 15 Fourth: Sun, pluto, amor, eros, and psyche. 6 of 15Fifth: venus, karma, and cupido 5 of 15Sixth: Neptune and Asc

posted November 09, 2012 12:31 PM
I know about h13, h58, and 1181 I am taking my time to examine each one in synastry and composite charts to see a consistent theme arises, which there seems to be so far with BML in both Tropical synastry, composite, and Draconic Synastry and composite charts.

The Sun aspects to Asteroid lilith were only 3 of 15 couples The Moon aspects were only 1 of 15 couples.

True Osc Lilith aspects from greatest to least were:1) Eros : 9 of the 15 couples2)Karma and Valentine were both :8 of the 15 couples3) Moon, Saturn, Psyche, Amor, and North Node. : 6 of the 15 couples4)Mercury, Pallas, Lust, Cupido, and Chiron. 5 of the 15 couples5) Sun, Venus, Juno, Neptune, and ASC. 4 of the 15 couples.6) Mars,Pluto, Vesta and Bml. 3 of the 15 couples.7) Union and MC with the least 2 of the 15 couples.

quote:Originally posted by ail221:I know about h13, h58, and 1181 I am taking my time to examine each one in synastry and composite charts to see a consistent theme arises, which there seems to be so far with BML in both Tropical synastry, composite, and Draconic Synastry and composite charts.

there is already Lilith on astro.com selection. which lilith would that be? because I entered all 3 codes above and none of them is that Lilith. so there are 4 lilith then?

quote:Originally posted by astrofan123: there is already Lilith on astro.com selection. which lilith would that be? because I entered all 3 codes above and none of them is that Lilith. so there are 4 lilith then?

oh the one already in the additional objects but there a few liliths lol.

quote:Originally posted by astrofan123: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ail221:[b] oh the one already in the additional objects but there a few liliths lol.

lol ok maybe I just use all 4 then see which one fits description[/B][/QUOTE]

I actually use all of them natally all of them make some contacts to my personal points:-BML in Scorpio(7h) opposite my Eros(12h), Psyche(1h) and Asc in Taurus exact. -opposite my moon in gemini(2h) 3orbs -trine my sun 3 orbs-sextile Nymphe in Libra in 5th (>3) -Quincunx Venus exact

posted November 10, 2012 06:06 AM
Well, call me boring, but I am only using the True Black Moon (h13), as I am also use the True Node instead of the mean one.However I see that the mean Black Moon often gives interesting results as well.But I just can`t bring myself to use it really extensely, as I don´t know how to reason and justify to myself, why I would use an averaged position, instead of the true one?

I don´t use the Waldemath Moon, as I am not using any hypothetical objects.

The Black Moon, even though it s listed under hypothetical objects, is not hypothetical at all but simply a calculated point like the nodal axis.In fact interestingly it also bases its calculation on Sun, Earth, Moon, just like the nodal axis does (different calculation though), and in this instance it also contains the same symbols as the nodal chart / Draconic chart does.

The calculations are different, but they are all based on the interplay of Sun, Earth, Moon, and this is a source of endless fascination to me.

For interpretations though, I always feel like the True Black Moon is a bit like a combined Moon-Pluto-symbolism (the dark/uncivilised side of the moon).

Asteroid Lilith might have a bit of a different interpretation, as as an asteroid it does not reflect any interplay between Sun, Earth and Moon like the Black Moon does.

posted November 10, 2012 09:49 AM
Sure its arguable to say it is a hypothetical point so where is it's validity, but the same can be said about the myths surrounding the use of asteroids and interpretation of them. I think the reason their are so many lilith points is because she can't be defined to one point just like the phases of the moon she had many.In some regards main stream society has pretty much ignored "Lilith's" existence and if she is mentioned it's usually painted as the female first vampire, the baby killer, the uncontrollable first wife of adam, the maleficent(every single wicked queen in a fairy tale) etc.

One of the reasons certain asteroids seem to end up connected with certain liliths is because they each represent different things connected to her. The asteroid lilith seems to represents the more rational feminist, gender equalizer which is why the Asteroid lilith appears more consistent with the asteroid Karma, pallas, NN and the vertex.

So far BML has been is more constant with Eros because she personifies every aspect of "Lilith" the good, the bad, the succubus, the magical, the seeker of truth, the dark divine feminine and the magnetic. The mean aspect of BML goes beyond it's calculation because it attempting to encompass every side of Lilith just define her to one point.

BML and True lilith yield similar synastry results but there are differences:BML is more consistent with destiny points, marriage,love asteroids specifically Juno, Eros, Psyche, Mercury, Union and NN.

One of the many reasons I theorize there is a importance of BML in Tropical/Draconic synastry and composite; even in draconic synastry and composite Eros, Psyche and Union remain in connection . On another Note I suspect the Asteroid Lilith might be more consistent in helio-centric charts.

I only use 2 deg orb. natal chart.is it normal to find so many in H5 loldoes it mean anything when the asteroid 1181 opposite BML? both are lilith

This goes along with my idea that the lilith each represent a different phases of lilith, similar to the triple goddess hecate.Asteroid Lilith is more of the feminine equalizer, the rebel, the feminist, the extreme liberal. BML is the median of lilith so she's more primative, magnetic, magical, nurturing in a sense, it could be a issue of opposing values.

quote:Originally posted by ail221: This goes along with my idea that the lilith each represent a different phases of lilith, similar to the triple goddess hecate.Asteroid Lilith is more of the feminine equalizer, the rebel, the feminist, the extreme liberal. BML is the median of lilith so she's more primative, magnetic, magical, nurturing in a sense, it could be a issue of opposing values.

Ooohhh OK I have to do more reading then. Most of the time all the issues you mentioned are said to belong to Lilith, but very few articles are specific about which issue is which Lilith. yes what you said makes sense in my case All221 Thank you so much ! sorry ail221 I mean