Do you think Peyton will get a fair shake under SVG? Love your avatar by the way.

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Siva got criticism for not being able to play PG at the NBA level early on but everyone struggles. at the end of the season it seemed like he played pretty decent on-ball defense. He's limited by his size and athleticism but he fits the culture of where I'd like to see the organization go vs. Bynum who is a true warrior but has a definite 'gotta get mine' mentality.

Siva looks like a 3rd guard to me. I hope he gets a long look by van gundy.

Siva got criticism for not being able to play PG at the NBA level early on but everyone struggles. at the end of the season it seemed like he played pretty decent on-ball defense. He's limited by his size and athleticism but he fits the culture of where I'd like to see the organization go vs. Bynum who is a true warrior but has a definite 'gotta get mine' mentality.

Siva looks like a 3rd guard to me. I hope he gets a long look by van gundy.

I think being cynical is a coping mechanism for some fans. I get it, and maybe I am a sucker but I am drinking the koolaid. Detroit has never been a club for front runners , we make all kinds of mistakes and somehow manage to survive our own incompetence. I remember in the early 80s we gave away pick after pick after pick.

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Nothing wrong with the kool aid. It is nice and tastey on a warm summer day. I have drank the kool aid for years and I just don't have a taste for it anymore.

Anyone that was not injured. Not going to really see him at full speed until 2015 season. Could have traded the pick or packaged with a player to move into the first round. Not going to get excited and lather up in Pistons butter for a 2nd round bench player that won't do anything meaningful this year.

I've been drinking the kool aid on this kid since before the Pistons were the ones making it. During his sophomore year, I just happened to see him play on TV. I didn't even know who he was, but he stood out. I was impressed enough that I would actually turn on a Colorado game if it happened to be on. He just looked like a NBA player. Before the draft I was hoping that he might be our guy. I didn't think that he'd still be there at #38, ACL or no ACL. This kid is NOT your typical 2nd round bench player. A typical 2nd round player ends up playing overseas. This kid will be in the league for a while, either as a starter or as a sixth man. I see him as a Jarrett Jack type player.

Here's what I like- He's an actual combo guard who can shoot and defend. He's not a tweener. He's a true combo guard. He's not a 6'3 shoot first, shoot second, pass third type of guy who people call a "combo guard", just to be polite. He's not a 6'5 athlete who can't shoot, so you try and make him run your offense sometimes and call him a "combo guard". He can play both positions.

Here's what I don't like- He probably won't be suiting up until after Christmas.

He can halt dribble penetration against both guard positions. He helps and recovers AND closes out on shooters. He's a legitimate pass first, team player. He's a legitimate shooter. He's very good on the break; both passing and finishing. He's very solid running the P&R. He can get into the lane and finish in traffic and/or draw the foul. He can be a spot up shooter at the 2, and run the point when we what Jennings gunning. I love this kid's game. He's perfect for us. He could actually be a 28+ mpg 3rd guard for us.

I just hope he can get healthy sooner rather than later.

We still need a legit 30+ mpg swingman in the worst way. We don't have one. Unless you count KCP, which I certainly do not.

Teams were selling their second round picks for cash, exchanging picks, or packaging them with a player to move up in the draft. The Pistons have not been very resourceful using draft day to their advantage. This roster needs a fire sale with Drummond and Monroe the only untouchables.

Teams were selling their second round picks for cash, exchanging picks, or packaging them with a player to move up in the draft. The Pistons have not been very resourceful using draft day to their advantage. This roster needs a fire sale with Drummond and Monroe the only untouchables.

Teams were selling their second round picks for cash, exchanging picks, or packaging them with a player to move up in the draft. The Pistons have not been very resourceful using draft day to their advantage. This roster needs a fire sale with Drummond and Monroe the only untouchables.

The Pistons continue to be modeled after one of the greatest periods in history in the Renaissance. With that in mind, it's certainly no coincidence that Dinwiddie shares a birthday with Renaissance virtuoso Raphael.

But on the subject of intellectualism, enlightenment, and the Pistons, I'm aware that some may consider our own Brandon Jennings to be a dolt and of little relevance to those themes. Despite that, I'm inclined to remind everyone that, as an example, one of the most brilliant French poets of all time, Francois Villon, happened to be a criminal and a vagabond.

Sadly its part of the reason I spend alot less time on this board then I once did, not because of my lack of love for the Pistons and most the members here... but the fact that this place makes me dislike being a Pistons fan at times... You'd think we were worse then the Washington General's ever were.

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I understand how you feel about coming to this forum and reading nothing but negativity but the fact of the matter is, there hasn't been a lot of positive stuff to talk about in many years. For me, this is the only place I know to vent my frustrations about my favorite team. Personally, I try to temper my 'venting' with humor and some positive feedback or constructive comments whenever I can.

The fact that we're still here speaks to our Piston fandom.
Our unrelenting Piston fandom give us the right to bitch.

Again, I see what your saying and I hope that you'll spend more time here.
Maybe YOU'RE the guy that can can put a positive spin on things.

I'll give it a shot. Here's 10 positive thoughts:
1. Andre Drummond
2. KCP finished the season strong and has had all summer to work on his shot.
3. We have a new coach who has had a degree of success in the past.
4. We have new people making roster decisions.
5. It appears that we'll see some dead weight trimmed off our roster which will free-up some $$$.
6. We play in the Eastern Conference where modest improvement can go a long way toward rising in the standings.
7. By many accounts, we just drafted a guy with 1st round talent in the 2nd round.
8. We now have the ability to trade a future 1st round pick if we need to.
9. We still have a bacon thread.
10. Our starting PG takes Ecstasy which should help him develop positive team chemistry.

I understand how you feel about coming to this forum and reading nothing but negativity but the fact of the matter is, there hasn't been a lot of positive stuff to talk about in many years. For me, this is the only place I know to vent my frustrations about my favorite team. Personally, I try to temper my 'venting' with humor and some positive feedback or constructive comments whenever I can.

The fact that we're still here speaks to our Piston fandom.
Our unrelenting Piston fandom give us the right to bitch.

Again, I see what your saying and I hope that you'll spend more time here.
Maybe YOU'RE the guy that can can put a positive spin on things.

I'll give it a shot. Here's 10 positive thoughts:
1. Andre Drummond
2. KCP finished the season strong and has had all summer to work on his shot.
3. We have a new coach who has had a degree of success in the past.
4. We have new people making roster decisions.
5. It appears that we'll see some dead weight trimmed off our roster which will free-up some $$$.
6. We play in the Eastern Conference where modest improvement can go a long way toward rising in the standings.
7. By many accounts, we just drafted a guy with 1st round talent in the 2nd round.
8. We now have the ability to trade a future 1st round pick if we need to.
9. We still have a bacon thread.
10. Our starting PG takes Ecstasy which should help him develop positive team chemistry.

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I love all these points. I know you covered the freeing up of salary, but I would like to add a more specific "no more Charlie Garbage" being associated with the Pistons. They should retire his number and remove all photos, references, etc. from the Palace archives. He's dead to me. Dead to me!

I love all these points. I know you covered the freeing up of salary, but I would like to add a more specific "no more Charlie Garbage" being associated with the Pistons. They should retire his number and remove all photos, references, etc. from the Palace archives. He's dead to me. Dead to me!