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Well, Gido being "evil" helps generate some more speculation on some of his behaviors during previous chapters. Probably one I wanna look into again is when Eve melted in Eve's Story.

I always found his reluctance to saving Eve when she melted in Eve's Story to be strange. Rather than listening to what Saten had to say for saving Eve, Gido seemed reserved to being hopeless and lost. Also makes you wonder what Gido was doing to Eve to cause her to melt?

If Eve didn't have a Fragment then, it would make sense that an Eden's Seed injection would cause her to perish... but what remained was her brain and nervous system. If the nervous system were original apart of Kasumi, though, as has been speculated, then maybe that's why it survived and everything else (the cloned body parts) died. Then again, this is all speculation...

Also, looking back on some previous events has stimulated some ideas...

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When Cruz smashes the secret roster to prevent Setsuna from stealing it, Gido has the largest panel and comments "How could he!" No one else seemed from Blade's group really seemed that interested in it besides him. He also has two other reactions when Setsuna shows she recovered the data chip, too. Makes sense why he was so interested in it given the fact that he's been searching for it all this time.

If this is true, then perhaps Blade meeting Cruz in the sewers were all originally planned by Triple Six in the first place. So the events kinda proceed like this:

Adam Project explodes >> Mizuha steals information, puts it on data chips and forms Resistance >> Triple Six infiltrates Resistance with Aruka who locates data chip in Cruz's head (but not his pendant) >> During fight with Simeon, Aruka leads Cruz (with chip) to where Gido is >> Gido sends Blade out to save Cruz and bring him to Church (or something).

However, suppose the intelligence between Aruka and Gido isn't perfect and that Gido thought the chip was in his pendant (which they found out after Kafka busted it) but Aruka thought it was in Cruz's head.

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Kinda wonder what happened to Blade over the years and why Gido reinforced his organs/skeleton with metal. As you recall, when Disk examined his body in Chapter 25, she was surprised to see his internal structure to be quite different than a clone of the Second Christ. Hope we get those answers sometime soon.

Eh, what do you mean? The big guy whose face was shadowed is Gido himself. He was in front of Seth at the time, and in this chapter he confessed he killed both her and Solva.

Gido's fragment is most likely linked with rejuvenation.

And it's not like I didn't tell you...

But I told you!! Upper left corner.

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You mean this guy:

Compare him with Gido in this chapter and tell me if its the same guy.

And yes, you called it. Good job.

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Well, Gido being "evil" helps generate some more speculation on some of his behaviors during previous chapters. Probably one I wanna look into again is when Eve melted in Eve's Story.

I always found his reluctance to saving Eve when she melted in Eve's Story to be strange. Rather than listening to what Saten had to say for saving Eve, Gido seemed reserved to being hopeless and lost. Also makes you wonder what Gido was doing to Eve to cause her to melt?

If Eve didn't have a Fragment then, it would make sense that an Eden's Seed injection would cause her to perish... but what remained was her brain and nervous system. If the nervous system were original apart of Kasumi, though, as has been speculated, then maybe that's why it survived and everything else (the cloned body parts) died. Then again, this is all speculation...

Also, looking back on some previous events has stimulated some ideas...

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When Cruz smashes the secret roster to prevent Setsuna from stealing it, Gido has the largest panel and comments "How could he!" No one else seemed from Blade's group really seemed that interested in it besides him. He also has two other reactions when Setsuna shows she recovered the data chip, too. Makes sense why he was so interested in it given the fact that he's been searching for it all this time.

If this is true, then perhaps Blade meeting Cruz in the sewers were all originally planned by Triple Six in the first place. So the events kinda proceed like this:

Adam Project explodes >> Mizuha steals information, puts it on data chips and forms Resistance >> Triple Six infiltrates Resistance with Aruka who locates data chip in Cruz's head (but not his pendant) >> During fight with Simeon, Aruka leads Cruz (with chip) to where Gido is >> Gido sends Blade out to save Cruz and bring him to Church (or something).

However, suppose the intelligence between Aruka and Gido isn't perfect and that Gido thought the chip was in his pendant (which they found out after Kafka busted it) but Aruka thought it was in Cruz's head.

Also, one more bit...

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Kinda wonder what happened to Blade over the years and why Gido reinforced his organs/skeleton with metal. As you recall, when Disk examined his body in Chapter 25, she was surprised to see his internal structure to be quite different than a clone of the Second Christ. Hope we get those answers sometime soon.

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Oh, I remember that during the battle at third shelter. I thought it was a typo and meant she, but now, it makes sense. The others I have to check, but I'm sure I'll just recinfirm what you said. I never considered Gido's behavior when Eve melted strange. I kinda put reasoning together that would make sense for him to act that, so that's why I didn't find it suspicious.

However, if he was keeping tabs with Simeon all along, why didn't he give away Blade and Eve? Arclight found out about them only after Kafka and Uten were sent to the Black Spot. Also, I am also curious about Blade's body. Hopefully, the next chapter explains Blade's body and Eve's melting. They were promised the truth.

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The part about the Testament brains is also very interesting. Gido has been collecting those since Blade was younger, for what, I wonder.

All in all, one more chapter that follows the trend of the latest. Full of revelations, unexpected plottwists and raising even more questions.

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I don't know what Gido is going to do with Testament brains than to scan their data and salvage them for parts.

Wow. Blade and co. are well and truly screwed. Arclight and the 666 are holding nearly all the cards and have pretty much already won - killing Blade now seems like just a formality.

And that's what's so odd, because Needless 0 implies that Arclight didn't get what he wanted since he's still sending his goons out to search for Blade. Assuming Needless 0 is still completely canon, it makes me wonder just what the hell is going to happen to allow Blade and co. the chance to escape and foil Arclight's plans. Judging from how previous events have played out it's probably going to involve Cruz, Saten or both.

When Ishiyama and Saten came with a shot of Edenseed to rescue Eve from melting they knew exactly what was needed to save her. Now that we know Gido is the head of the 666 committee I'm guessing he must have told them. Afterall, he already saw something like that happen to Eve before. I bet Gido knows exactly what triggers Eve's body to start melting and thus figure out the remedy.

But triple six also wanted to know the particulars about when Eve's doppleganger awoke within her according to Saten(chapter 80 page 10). Why? Didn't Gido know about that already? Didn't he tell any of his fellow 666'ers? Saten sure didn't want the talk about what he had learned in memory world either. Makes me wonder if Gido and Saten have more in common than meets the eye.

Another thing, how did Solva suddenly get a stigmata? Something seems fishy about this, I still want to believe Gido hasn't completely changed.

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That's a good point...

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I was thinking about that, too, how Seto and Solva just appeared again and were lifeless bodies that were consumed in the matter of 2 pages. What's to say they weren't clones like Teruyama was but were used as substitutes instead? Keep in mind, when we last left Seto and Solva, they were in a room with Ishiyama, Gido, Kafka and Uten... and now it's Saten who's carrying them down? Either way, it does confirm that Seto and Solva have two Stigmata since they did appear on Arclight after he absorbed both. However, trying to differentiate who's a clone now or who has their memories altered is nearly impossible, as we saw with Teruyama at the beginning of this arc.

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I've also been questioning if what Saten feed to Arclight was actually Seto and Solva. The fact that Solva gained a Stigmata out of nowhere, and that Ishiyama, Kafka and Uten are nowhere to be found really raises some red flags. If Seto and Solva really are dead, I would have suspected that Uten at least would have gone with Saten to deliver them to Arclight. It was after all part of his orders. Also, since they were in the only place that could contact Arclight directly, wouldn't they have called to let him know? Then there's Guido's claim that he was the one who killed them, as Kurohane just pointed out if that big guy in the room was Guido, why and when did he change his clothes? Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but I really believe that Saten might have finally made a move against Arclight, and that Guido is helping him.

Which means he's a member of Triple Six as strong as Ishiyama. Brings the question of if he's the one Saten released.

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Good question. I was either him or Saten. It might be Gido, considering the guy refered to him as Saten-kun. However, he might be the shadow figure considering to the back we see, as he gets out, his well toned and muscular body.
Gido with powers still looks the same with his old body. It's not unusual to refer to Saten with that honorific.

We still don't know what that key was for.

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I've also been questioning if what Saten feed to Arclight was actually Seto and Solva. The fact that Solva gained a Stigmata out of nowhere, and that Ishiyama, Kafka and Uten are nowhere to be found really raises some red flags. If Seto and Solva really are dead, I would have suspected that Uten at least would have gone with Saten to deliver them to Arclight. It was after all part of his orders. Also, since they were in the only place that could contact Arclight directly, wouldn't they have called to let him know? Then there's Guido's claim that he was the one who killed them, as Kurohane just pointed out if that big guy in the room was Guido, why and when did he change his clothes? Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but I really believe that Saten might have finally made a move against Arclight, and that Guido is helping him.

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I don't think it's strange Stigmatas appeared since Arclight devoured them. Any hidden potential they had Arclight could draw out, even if it wasn't fully released before. It would have been a different matter using the Byakogou because the Stigmata had to be active, but Arclight no longer has that since transforming. Of course that meant during the time the fight took place, they had to give reason to be suspected of having Stigmata. Set even after injected with Edn's Seed didn't show any marks on her and Solva wasn't even injected. We really need a flashback or explanation from Gido on what happened up there since he claims to have delivered the final blow. Where is the Shadow Figure and what is his ability? It may be a key factor. His ability could be to create dopplegangers of people for all we know.

Good question. I was either him or Saten. It might be Gido, considering the guy refered to him as Saten-kun. However, he might be the shadow figure considering to the back we see, as he gets out, his well toned and muscular body.
Gido with powers still looks the same with his old body. It's not unusual to refer to Saten with that honorific.

We still don't know what that key was for.

I have mixed thoughts about this.

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On one hand his body buildup is more or less the same, yet the big dude who was released by Saten bursted through the Experimental Ward and his body was humid. So that probably means he's an experimental subject who just had woke up.

Which makes me doubt myself and wonder if the big mofo and the one from Triple Six are the same person or if Saten has just began plotting something.

Despite Gido saying he was the one who killed Seth and Solva, the big guy from the end of chapter 105 clearly isn't him. Apart from being dressed differently, he has too much hair and no moustache. However, I still think the other mystery figure was Gido.

As for whether he was part of 666 all along... well, from what we've seen of his past it doesn't seem very likely. Also I have a theory about how Simeon could have "turned" him since the last time we saw him. (Not counting the page where he appeared by mistake!) We know their cloning technology can effectively bring the dead back to life... and we also know that there's one specific dead person who Gido would very much like to see alive again. If that temptation were laid before him, he might have a hard time resisting.

But, on the other hand... Gido did survive a hit from Vulcan Shock Ignition way back in chapter 7. It was played as a gag at the time, but perhaps it indicates he wasn't a normal human after all. Who knows? (Edit: Oh, wait, we did know. I didn't look at the image Kurusu posted. That'll teach me to try and absorb a new chapter and everyone's posts, and write something myself, all in one go when it's late at night and I should be in bed.)

And the last Stigmata belongs to Cruz, obviously.

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In its final stage, the Needless Hunt has finally caught up to the Resistance. Teruyama was the first to get "killed" and eaten, and now it was Seth and Solva's turn.

So following that and with Blade & Eve excluded for fairly obvious reasons while Disk is discarded as well due to the limited capacity of her fragment, who do you think would be next in the list? The answer is Cruz. He's the last Arclight would get his hands on.

But as if Saten is gonna allow that.

Of course, it's not necessary to say that Blade's body isn't a priority anymore now Arclight has achieved the ultimate form. All the bodie part that were ripped off of the many needlesses that got slaughtered were probably to fee on the angel that was hibernating there, inside the cocoon. In the end Blade was just the backup plan.

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Btw, even though for the needless to awaken a Stigmata Eden Seed is a requirement, it's not necessary for Arclight to gain it. Because Teruyama just gained his after bein revived, yet Arclight already had it.

I say this just in case someone is still wondering how did Arclight gained Solva's Stigmata even though she didn't receive any Eden Seed dose.

Btw, even though for the needless to awaken a Stigmata Eden Seed is a requirement, it's not necessary for Arclight to gain it. Because Teruyama just gained his after bein revived, yet Arclight already had it.

I say this just in case someone is still wondering how did Arclight gained Solva's Stigmata even though she didn't receive any Eden Seed dose.

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I think the issue with that was not that Arclight received the Stigmata after consuming Solva but that they knew she had the Stigmata to begin with. If the only way to determine if someone has a Stigmata or not is to inject a lethal dose of Eden's Seed in them and see if one appears, then that probably means they were able to do it somewhere, somehow before knowing she had a Stigmata.

Also, kinda sucks that we won't get to see Solva play around with her new abilities now, unless those were just clones and the real Seto and Solva are elsewhere (Uten's invisibility?). However, if that's the case, then they're probably running around in their panties since the two that were eaten by Arclight were wearing their clothes with the damage from their battle with Kafka and Uten.

I think the issue with that was not that Arclight received the Stigmata after consuming Solva but that they knew she had the Stigmata to begin with. If the only way to determine if someone has a Stigmata or not is to inject a lethal dose of Eden's Seed in them and see if one appears, then that probably means they were able to do it somewhere, somehow before knowing she had a Stigmata.

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Rather, it's because the toxin that is injected in order to awaken a possible Stigmata is Arclight's Eden Seed. Setsuna noted how Teruyama's attacks had the same amount of power before he revealed the mark located below his right collarbone.

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Also, kinda sucks that we won't get to see Solva play around with her new abilities now, unless those were just clones and the real Seto and Solva are elsewhere (Uten's invisibility?). However, if that's the case, then they're probably running around in their panties since the two that were eaten by Arclight were wearing their clothes with the damage from their battle with Kafka and Uten.

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That's why I'm saying that I doubt this is the last we have seen from them.

Yet short-term miracles don't happen unless you have a body, so in that aspect I would dare say Seth and Solva's role in this arc is over. They tried to take advantage of the situation by threatening Kafka and Uten with ripping their brains and heart apart. They suceeded in that, but unfortunately Triple Six was already aware of their actions.

What Seth and Solva did was a suicide tactic that backfired and ended leading to the worst conclusion possible.

The result of the girls overconfidence: eaten by Arclight, thus swelling up the Needless Hunt toll.

However,

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don't be surprised if next chapter Seth and Solva burst out of Arclight's body.

Because rather than working for Arclight,

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I have very few doubts that Gido is working alongside with Saten, but not for Arclight.

I mean, Saten released that big guy (who is probably Gido) without anyone's permission. He has started moving the strings, so, if Seth and Solva use their powers to rip through Arclight next chapter, I repeat, don't be surprised.

And if you want a good reason for why this might happen, Arclight doesn't know Seth received a dose of his Eden Seed. Not to mention, as someone pointed before, that needlesses that received the toxin won't fall like that as their healing is faster.

Btw, don't you think Imai is succeeding with make us readers see there's absolutely no way the Resistance can win this? It has come to a point where Arclight killing Blade would be predictable, and I know Imai won't go that way and pretty sure something else will happen.

During the earlier part of the arc, didn't they fought a clone of Teruyama that also bears a stigmata?
So it is still possible for the two that was eaten by Arclight to be their clone...
All that's missing now would be the Stigmata that was on Blade before...
They even go as far as looking into Blade's memories to find out what happen to his stigmata...
But even without it... they really don't stand a chance...

It isn't. How long it took for Kafka and Uten to be brought back to life? Like I said, like you it or not, unless s Saten plotting something again, Seth & Solva are done for.

He lost it long ago and Arclight already has one identical

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They even go as far as looking into Blade's memories to find out what happen to his stigmata...
But even without it... they really don't stand a chance...

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No shit sherlock. It was already an impossible against Riru, then Arclight, then he achieves his final form, then Saten and Gido. They're so fucked up I don't know where to start.

Yea looks like the battle will be won off screen and we'll get to see a happy end where everyone has escaped while saying man that was crazy impossible how did we get out of it. There will be no clear answers though and we will go on to needless 2 with various small flashbacks of what happened in the final battle as clues to future arcs.

I think the issue with that was not that Arclight received the Stigmata after consuming Solva but that they knew she had the Stigmata to begin with. If the only way to determine if someone has a Stigmata or not is to inject a lethal dose of Eden's Seed in them and see if one appears, then that probably means they were able to do it somewhere, somehow before knowing she had a Stigmata.

Also, kinda sucks that we won't get to see Solva play around with her new abilities now, unless those were just clones and the real Seto and Solva are elsewhere (Uten's invisibility?). However, if that's the case, then they're probably running around in their panties since the two that were eaten by Arclight were wearing their clothes with the damage from their battle with Kafka and Uten.

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Not neccesarily if the chip was still being processed during the battle Set and Solva were in, it must have finished mid-battle and the scientist were able to search for the remaining Stigmata holders. They could have found out both had a sttigmata that way without trying to get them to draw out the mark. With Set, hers didn't appear even after being injected and didn't seem to know she had one, where Teruyama knew intinctively. Simeon should know the last holder as well now. Most likely, that's one reason Gido's there due to the possible Stigmata on his forehead.

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It isn't. How long it took for Kafka and Uten to be brought back to life? Like I said, like you it or not, unless s Saten plotting something again, Seth & Solva are done for.

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Exactly, there wasn't enough time to clone them. Unless someone in that room had the ability to create replicas of people, its not possible. My bets on the shadow figure with Ishiyama.

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^Lol, tell me you're joking. The climax of the arc is heading to anything but a happy conclusion.

2 years later the Needless Hunt is still on progress,

meaning Arclight didn't get the last Stigmata and is still searching for it.

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I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Remember the data chip has the remaining stigmata holders listed on there. I believe thats how Saten was sure both Set and Solva had one, and tossed them to Arclight. Most likely, he already knows the last one, and why Gido is there with him. Really, Simeon wouldn't go ahead with wiping out the Black Spots, unless Arclight was sure he would get the remaining stigmatas here and now. Also, I doubt he would call off the attack at this point, and leave the Black Spots around for two more years to search for the last remaining stigmata. If anything his reasoning would be "if this needless can't survive something like this it wasn't even worth my time". In summaryl, he would expect the stigmata holder to live if that were the case, but I doubt it at this point. Two of the three were revealed and were obvious in hindsight. No way we are not going to know the last soon. Imai-san wouldn't leave it hidden like that.