When I was a young Airman I was proud of my service to my country and of being a Desert Storm Vet. I'm now older and wonder who I was fighting for. I
love my country and even most Americans, lol. I wonder why we didn't finish the job, was it planned that we go back?Personally any American life isn't
disposable fodder of Coporate greed. As I get older I am weary of the endless banter of our leaders and who the new enemy of the week is. I love this
country but it's leadership and Coporate backing has to be stopped or at least curtailed. Vote people , hopefully it will make a difference . If not
well there's plenty of disgruntled soldiers out there who've taken an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies both foreign and
domestic.

George W. Bush, Son of fellow Bonesman George H. W. Bush, aka "Magog" (in his little boys' club the Brotherhood of the Shadows), who is in turn the
son of Hitler's main financier (Prescott Bush), with the whole criminal syndicate doing Big Oil business with the Bin Laden family (what a
co-incidence!) uses CIA escorts (I know because a good friend of mine is one of them) to whisk the entire Bin Laden family out of the US in the days
right after 911 (while the rest of the country was under no-fly restrictions). In the meantime, Osama Bin Laden, a CIA Operative, denies ordering the
attack (albeit applauding it) and actually drops dead 2 months later from lung disease complications!

Then, over the next ten years, makes a few videos (appearing younger in each one of them, must have access to vast amounts of Grecian Formula in his
cave) while conducting Al Qaeda from his cellphone.

Yes, I repeat, Americans are the stupidest people on earth.

Why insult people by calling them stupid. It would be more accurate to call them ignorant. Ignorant is not the same thing as stupid. Americans are not
stupid, they do not lack the capacity to understand. They lack honest info. Americans have been purposely fed erroneous info, purposely misled.

Who controls the media? The same people who own the most powerful banking cartels, the most powerful corporations who control energy, food, pharma,
transportation, Wall St., politicians, and the Federal Reserve.
The people who control the info the average American gets, are also the ones who gain the most from war.

The average American doesn't have time to read books on conspiracies or search the net for alternate versions of the news. He's probably trying to
survive with two or more "s__t" jobs and comes home exhausted.

I should mention that a friend of mine was working at the bank as a teller near the Venice Florida Airport and knew Mohammad Atta, since he was a
regular customer there and was making daily deposits for the owner of the flight school he worked for. She saw him on the afternoon before 911, as in
this would have been the tenth of September, 2001.
He was acting normally and not at all as if he was nervous about pulling off a hijacking the next day, in fact he could not have since it would have
taken too long for him to drive all the way to Portland, Maine, the point being he obviously did not do it and was set up as a patsy.

Originally posted by AuranVector
Why insult people by calling them stupid. It would be more accurate to call them ignorant. Ignorant is not the same thing as stupid. Americans are not
stupid, they do not lack the capacity to understand. They lack honest info. Americans have been purposely fed erroneous info, purposely misled.

Who controls the media? The same people who own the most powerful banking cartels, the most powerful corporations who control energy, food, pharma,
transportation, Wall St., politicians, and the Federal Reserve.
The people who control the info the average American gets, are also the ones who gain the most from war.

The average American doesn't have time to read books on conspiracies or search the net for alternate versions of the news. He's probably trying to
survive with two or more "s__t" jobs and comes home exhausted.

It's not fair or accurate to call all Americans stupid.

I apologize if the word "stupid" offended you, or anyone else who read my post. How about dumbed down? Is that any better?

Why is it that the majority of people outside the USA know all about 911 and they are very well aware that the Nazi Fascist regime is alive and well
here in the US?

Americans seem to have plenty of time for "American Idol", "Sex and the City", sitting around drinking beer and watching sports, and shopping. More
than 70 percent are fat, obese, or morbidly obese. I was particularly entertained last night when I heard a commercial on the radio for a new TV show
called "Celebrity Wife-Swapping".

Okay, I understand that it's not just Americans and that the PTB are adept at mass mind control, and they know exactly what to provide as "Bread and
Circuses" to keep the masses in a coma, from rising up to take out the Power Elite, but Americans plug up their ears when they are told the truth
PERSONALLY. They know that something is seriously wrong, for instance, that government agencies were behind the JFK assassination, but they do not
consider the vast implications of such an idea. As if whoever was behind it is no longer around or has mended their ways.

Personally, I was a believer of all the garbage up until a point.... when Colin Powell stood up in front of the UN and admitted that had reservations
about the Iraq war and relied on questionable information from of all people, George Tenet!!

A "blot on his record"!! How about a gigantic festering boil on the reputation of America? Does that matter? Or does only his legacy (ego) mean
anything?

George Tenet has to be up there with Henry Kissinger when it comes to being despicable. These people like Powell know damn well what kind of scum
they are working with and they just go along with the program anyway. They have no backbone and will do anything for the almighty dollar and some
power. At that point I was forced to ask myself, what else are they lying about? And so I started looking into 911. It didn't take very long to see
the oh so obvious painful truth once I took the blinders off. Today I am embarrassed that I ever believed the official story, but I have forgiven
myself and dedicated every spare ounce of energy and time that I have to waking people up and getting them to realize that we can take back our
country and our planet any time we decide to as a collective consciousness.

The good news is that it only takes one person shining a light in a dark room to enable many to see. Similarly, the Universe works in such a way that
only a very small percentage, perhaps as little as one in a hundred, can light the spark that will lead to the overthrow of the Old World Order.
While I believe that outcome is inevitable, it is education of the masses that will determine how much we can limit the damage in making the
transition to a peace-loving benevolent Meritocracy.

I am thoroughly sickened to the core by some here and out there in the world whom would even today attempt to sanitize terrorism.

Call it whatever political correct BS you want. Organised extermination of innocent humanity is a horror to EVERY single human on Planet Earth. There
can be NO whitewashing of facts. And it is, and will a WAR to everyone of those exterminators of civilised mankind as long as man lives.

Only monsters will still attempt the sanitization of such brutal acts. Call it whatever you want, but there is STILL NO justification for the murders
of innocents and WILL be responded in kind by humanity.

How could ANYONE, who had witnessed the deaths of thousand innocents around the world, regardless of ethnicity or religion, can with full conscience,
throw every and any pathetic excuses to whitewash those brutal acts by men turned beasts???

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
I apologize if the word "stupid" offended you, or anyone else who read my post. How about dumbed down? Is that any better?

Much better, as that implies a deliberate pogeam

Why is it that the majority of people outside the USA know all about 911 and they are very well aware that the Nazi Fascist regime is alive and
well here in the US?

Many of us here in America know this, as well as the Zionist connection to the NAZI... and most of those are ATS members

Problem is when you speak
out against it you are called a nutcase

Americans seem to have plenty of time for "American Idol", "Sex and the City", sitting around drinking beer and watching sports, and
shopping. More than 70 percent are fat, obese, or morbidly obese. I was particularly entertained last night when I heard a commercial on the radio
for a new TV show called "Celebrity Wife-Swapping".

That is easy... Opiate of the masses... best way to control people is give them what they want... Hitler gave out of work Germans a car (Volkswagen
literally Peoples Car) and the autobahn (no speed limits) and someone to blame for their out of work woes (the Jews) Here in America we have the list
you gave and we have generic 'terrorists' to blame for our woes

Americans plug up their ears when they are told the truth PERSONALLY

America is a sleeping giant. As long as something does not effect them directly, they will not act. It may appear they are not listening, but this
Christmas record ever gun sales were recorded. Many gun stores sold out. America is arming up. I read posts here on ATS from soldiers who served that
recognize the situation and vow to fight 'for the people' if need be.

Don't forget that change is never made by the masses, just a brave few willing to go the distance. We see today OWS protests... but they lack
direction and are not very effective.

Want change? organize a massive nation wide run on the banks... empty them out. Yeah it will cause hardship for a little while but it will force
change. Since the banks operate on a debt system, stop buying things on credit... just cut it out. Even a 25% reduction in your credit buying will
hurt them without doing anything illegal

What gas prices to drop? Boycott Oil companies. Yeah I know Americans won't stop buying gas... BUT there is a way. Organize a boycott of ONE
company say Exxon (formerly Standard Oil) Exxon made record ever quarter profits in the first year of the Iraqi 'war' while we shelled out at the
pumps willingly 'because of the war' and prices have NOT dropped since. Send a message... if no one buys at Exxon or their partners, it WILL send a
message without you having to do without gas

Now we have already allowed them to put Homeland Security in place, the Patriot Act and TSA is creeping into bus terminals, sporting events and even
spot checks on the highways.
Obama has signed the bill that allows detention of US citizens for no reason and cops out by saying he won't do it. but he won't be here much
longer... kinda like Pilot washing his hands...

Next few years will be interesting, because if the PTB kick the sleeping giant too hard, they will not be able to stop it

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
I apologize if the word "stupid" offended you, or anyone else who read my post. How about dumbed down? Is that any better?

"Dumbed down" is more accurate. The dumbing down of Americans has been intentional.

Why is it that the majority of people outside the USA know all about 911 and they are very well aware that the Nazi Fascist regime is alive and well
here in the US?

Maybe because such info is not shut down overseas. I read somewhere that most Europeans consider 9/11 a Mossad operation. Trying printing that tidbit
in a major US newspaper. I doubt if most Americans have read "The Rise of the Fourth Reich" -- required reading for every adult American in my
estimation.

Americans seem to have plenty of time for "American Idol", "Sex and the City", sitting around drinking beer and watching sports, and shopping.
More than 70 percent are fat, obese, or morbidly obese. I was particularly entertained last night when I heard a commercial on the radio for a new TV
show called "Celebrity Wife-Swapping".

I personally do not watch any of the shows you named. Most TV shows are part of the "bread & circuses" you mentioned. The shows pander to the lowest
common denominator and are designed to distract people with trivia.

As for epidemic American obesity, take a look at High Fructose Corn Syrup (also sold as Corn Sugar) -- it actually INCREASES appetite and has been
implicated in increasing cases of Type II Diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Between ConAgra & Big Pharma, they have all kinds of substances to
debilitate the American people.

You forgot the all-too-frequent use of anti-depressants -- remember a book "Prozac Nation"?
All of those drugs are peed into our public water system. Not to mention Flouride. You need your own serious water purification system at home. Brita
filters do not cut it.

Okay, I understand that it's not just Americans and that the PTB are adept at mass mind control, and they know exactly what to provide as "Bread and
Circuses" to keep the masses in a coma, from rising up to take out the Power Elite, but Americans plug up their ears when they are told the truth
PERSONALLY. They know that something is seriously wrong, for instance, that government agencies were behind the JFK assassination, but they do not
consider the vast implications of such an idea. As if whoever was behind it is no longer around or has mended their ways.

Believe it or not, I know well-educated, intelligent people who will NOT believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. It's incredible considering how
much proof there is -- these people will not even look at the evidence, but these people will not believe in conspiracy, not because they're stupid,
but for emotional reasons:

Once a person admits a conspiracy had to have happened to kill JFK or to allow 9/11, their entire world view will begin to unravel. They will have to
re-evaluate everything they think they know about their government/world. Their world suddenly becomes even more hostile & frightening when they
realize they cannot trust anything they've been told. So they clling to their "rock of official lies" to feel safe.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
...
Personally, I was a believer of all the garbage up until a point.... when Colin Powell stood up in front of the UN and admitted that had reservations
about the Iraq war and relied on questionable information from of all people, George Tenet!! ...

George Tenet has to be up there with Henry Kissinger when it comes to being despicable. These people like Powell know damn well what kind of scum
they are working with and they just go along with the program anyway. They have no backbone and will do anything for the almighty dollar and some
power....

The system cut me off before I could finish responding to your post.

One thing you need to be clear on: the generals of today are ALL politicians. The days of an Omar Bradley or a Patton are long gone -- just history.
The US Army was corrupted by the Viet Nam War. Since then even to get into the ranks of general officer, you have to be a politician. And as you know,
politicians will sell their souls for power.

At that point I was forced to ask myself, what else are they lying about? And so I started looking into 911. It didn't take very long to see the
oh so obvious painful truth once I took the blinders off. Today I am embarrassed that I ever believed the official story, but I have forgiven myself
and dedicated every spare ounce of energy and time that I have to waking people up and getting them to realize that we can take back our country and
our planet any time we decide to as a collective consciousness.

The good news is that it only takes one person shining a light in a dark room to enable many to see. Similarly, the Universe works in such a way that
only a very small percentage, perhaps as little as one in a hundred, can light the spark that will lead to the overthrow of the Old World Order While
I believe that outcome is inevitable, it is education of the masses that will determine how much we can limit the damage in making the transition to a
peace-loving benevolent Meritocracy.

While I agree that spreading the info is important, you must be aware that it will become increasingly dangerous -- if not impossible. I have no doubt
that we are being monitored here already.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I am thoroughly sickened to the core by some here and out there in the world whom would even today attempt to sanitize terrorism.

Call it whatever political correct BS you want. Organised extermination of innocent humanity is a horror to EVERY single human on Planet Earth. There
can be NO whitewashing of facts. And it is, and will a WAR to everyone of those exterminators of civilised mankind as long as man lives.

Only monsters will still attempt the sanitization of such brutal acts. Call it whatever you want, but there is STILL NO justification for the murders
of innocents and WILL be responded in kind by humanity.

How could ANYONE, who had witnessed the deaths of thousand innocents around the world, regardless of ethnicity or religion, can with full conscience,
throw every and any pathetic excuses to whitewash those brutal acts by men turned beasts???

I'm certainly not a "sanitizer of terrorism." If you think most of us on this thread are sanitizing "Islamic terrorism" I think you're wrong. I
personally loathe Islam -- I think Muhammad was a fraud and his "Qur'an" near worthless as a spiritual testament. I consider Islam to be "a
violent, totalitarian political system disguised as a religion."

What is being discussed on this thread is how Islamic terrorism is being used by TPTB to manipulate the masses (us). Take a look at the history of the
"Muslim Brotherhood" and it's connection with the Nazis, etc.
Look at the history of CIA funded & trained Islamic terrorists.

In my most personal insignificant nobody opinion, I don't give even half a crap on the excuses of WHO is behind the murder of thosands innocent human
lives lost.

Whomever, whatever is behind it, the REALITY remains that thousands HAD DIED.

Based upon INVESTIGATIONS, the only way to determine facts from theories, it points largely to Jihadism - extinction of mankind regardless of
ethnicity, nationality or religion through the MISUSE of the peaceful religion of Islam, as well as the odd few lone wolves piled too high with
alcohol, frustrations and extremism from fringe society groups.

And many more will only die and suffer with terror if it is not stopped or unconditional surrender is proposed by those animals, whomever they are or
truly are.

Like it or not, hate it or not, it is WAR to the end till the last human stands alive., no matter what it takes. Taking of innocent lives is against
the very grain of civilisation by both God and man. We will NEVER give in to terrorism in any form. Far too many precious innocent human lives had
been lost.....

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Taking of innocent lives is against the very grain of civilisation by both God and man. We will NEVER give in to terrorism in any form. Far too many
precious innocent human lives had been lost.....

46. Countering Terrorism
Policymakers should
● stop using the misleading phrase ‘‘war on terrorism’’;
● understand that an aim of terrorism is to elicit overreactions that
damage the victim state as badly or worse than direct attacks;
● focus on disrupting al Qaeda senior leadership’s ability to plan
future terrorist attacks and attract and train new recruits;
● work with foreign governments to apprehend al Qaeda operatives
in other countries, but be prepared to take unilateral action
when foreign governments are unable or unwilling to take
action themselves and when the diplomatic and strategic risks
are low; and
● recognize that effective strategies for confronting the threat of
terrorism rarely involve large-scale military action and that the
presence of U.S. ground troops on foreign soil might actually
be counterproductive.
Terrorism is best understood as politically motivated violence directed
against nonmilitary targets. It is a tactic favored by weak, nonstate actors
to raise the costs of a targeted state’s policies. Terrorist attacks impose
direct costs in lost lives and property, of course, but they produce greater
costs to the victim—and corresponding benefits to the terrorists—when
they goad the targeted nation into self-injurious overreaction. These overreactions
fall into the following categories:
● Waste of blood and treasure. Terrorist attacks, or well-placed threats
of attack, can prompt the victim to waste its own resources—both
the blood of its soldiers and the wealth of its people.
● Recruitment and sympathy gains. A strong power victimized by
terrorism may respond with violence that is badly directed, or even
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CATO HANDBOOK FOR POLICYMAKERS
entirely misdirected, engendering sympathy for terrorist groups and
therefore aiding their recruiting and support

and said look no more war on terror, then why did NDAA2012 include the Sub Sec D 1021 1022? Oh yes
just more fear to spread and to have something to make posts on at ATS.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
In my most personal insignificant nobody opinion, I don't give even half a crap on the excuses of WHO is behind the murder of thosands innocent human
lives lost.

Whomever, whatever is behind it, the REALITY remains that thousands HAD DIED...

...And many more will only die and suffer with terror if it is not stopped or unconditional surrender is proposed by those animals, whomever they are
or truly are.

Like it or not, hate it or not, it is WAR to the end till the last human stands alive., no matter what it takes. Taking of innocent lives is against
the very grain of civilisation by both God and man. We will NEVER give in to terrorism in any form. Far too many precious innocent human lives had
been lost.....

No one on this thread is defending murder, muchless mass murder.

You don't care who is behind the terrorist acts? How insane is that? Who is supposed to surrender if we can't identify the enemy?

Based upon INVESTIGATIONS, the only way to determine facts from theories, it points largely to Jihadism - extinction of mankind regardless of
ethnicity, nationality or religion through the MISUSE of the peaceful religion of Islam, as well as the odd few lone wolves piled too high with
alcohol, frustrations and extremism from fringe society groups.

You need to study up on Islam. Jihadism is not about the extinction of mankind. Jihadism is about the forcible conversion of the world to the original
7th century CE (AD) Islam run by Shari'ah law.

Islam was never a "peaceful" religion. Muhammad was a powerful politician & military leader disguised as a spiritual teacher.

TPTB have used Jihadists for their own purposes. When the old evil empire of the Soviet Union crumbled, TPTB needed a new evil empire to keep the
military-industrial complex running, their cash cow.

Muslims have ample reasons to hate the West in general and the US in particular. They provide ample breeding grounds for future Jihadists -- there are
about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

The point of this thread, I believe, is that this terrorism has been nurtured by rogue elements of our own government. TPTB have used terrorism to
control us -- enacting laws that have vaporized our rights, etc.
TPTB have used terrorism as an excuse to start wars -- when the real reasons were oil and banking control.

Afghanistan is rich with minerals that have not been exploited yet. (The Chinese have either built or are in the process of building a copper smelting
plant there.)

One of the major purposes of war has always been theft or pillaging. Another purpose of war (used by astute politicians) is to create a distraction
from domestic problems. Now if you happen to make huge profits from the arms industry....

you are still denying the fact that thousand innocents die of terrorism, and will continue to die if nothing is done to stop them.

End the conspiracy BS now. Whomever is the instigator, he needs the labour to do the job. End the means of labour being provided, and we will be able
to ferret out the master mind.

If it had been drunken kids, we know it is only lone wolves and can be rectified with better inclusive and broader education in curriculam.

If it had been muslim, jewish, hindus, or christain clerics, then we can rehabilitate those community leaders with the truth. Murdering innocents is
againts the very tenets of every mainstream religion and secular laws for any civilise society to exist.

WIth no more indirect links to pull strings, the grandmaster, if any, will have to reveal himself, and be exposed for justice to be pursued or he/she
simply slinks away, with no support, sparing innocents.

Like it or not, hate it or not, it is WAR to the end till the last human stands alive., no matter what it takes. Taking of innocent lives is against
the very grain of civilisation by both God and man. We will NEVER give in to terrorism in any form. Far too many precious innocent human lives had
been lost.....

How many innocent non christian people have lost their lives in the so called "war on terrorism" ?

Just take a look at this poor lad. How many children have sufferd just like him, or even lost their lives, because of war on terrorism ? No god would
aprove murder and slaughter of children. But, i'm not naive. Some lives are more worth than others in this sick world of ours.

If you wish to blame it on America's misguided adventure in Iraq, which had been rectified even though welcomed by Iraqis to end Sadam's regime, I ask
this of you:-

How many more innocents had died in the hands of the Persian-Iraqi War that lasted for a decade and the continued sufferings under Sadam and sons?

Do you wish for a counting game of innocents that had died that will only end at the beginning of our current civilisation of 5000 yrs or end it once
and for all so that more innocents will live today and tomorrow?

We CAN NO LONGER change the past, but we, you together with me, CAN STILL CHANGE our future today.

Like it or not, hate it or not, it is WAR to the end till the last human stands alive., no matter what it takes. Taking of innocent lives is against
the very grain of civilisation by both God and man. We will NEVER give in to terrorism in any form. Far too many precious innocent human lives had
been lost.....

How many innocent non christian people have lost their lives in the so called "war on terrorism" ?

Just take a look at this poor lad. How many children have sufferd just like him, or even lost their lives, because of war on terrorism ? No god would
aprove murder and slaughter of children. But, i'm not naive. Some lives are more worth than others in this sick world of ours.

Are you refering to the boat people coming to Australia from the middle east? Like the ones that smashed up against rocks on Christmas island during a
storm and one of the towns people there threw a life vest to a little girl but then one of the poor healthy men in the water took it of her and the
young girl drowned. Is this like the poor men you're refering to?

Or like another poor man who was interviewd and he was crying as he told the story about selling his house and business to pay for the boat trip to
Australia.? I'll ask that again. Like the poor man who sold his house and business to pay for the boat trip to Australia? House and business?

There's a difference between a refugee and a que jumper. The problem is that most of them are que jumpers and not real refugees.

It's never been explained why these poor people with nothing in the world are often held up my pirates on their boat trip.

There plenty fo free democratic wealthy countries between the middle east and Australia. If you're a true victim wouldn't you want to head for the
closest one? Of course you would. Unless of course you specifically wanted to come to Australia and you're in fact just jumping a que.

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