The Florida proposal would, like Arizona's, require law enforcement officers to check the residency status of anyone they suspect of being an
illegal immigrant in the course of a "lawful stop."

It would require state businesses to use a national registry to ensure new employees are legal and would increase penalties for illegal immigrants who
commit other crimes. The bill would also require non-citizen immigrants to carry immigration documentation or face a misdemeanor charge that could
carry up to 20 days in jail.

This is what the Arizona law does too, in respect to the "checking immigrant status for a 'lawful stop' ". They will NOT be stopping Jose
Anonymous who is just going out for ice cream, unless he then robs the ice cream store.

Excellent. If the US Government are refusing to deal with an issue that it is rquired to deal with, such as illegal immigration, then it falls to the
states to enact their own laws.

I think this is how the Arizona law will stand up to Constitutional challenges, by them proving that the federal Government has failed in their duty
to protect the state, so therefore the state can take matters into their own hands.

The ONLY way this would avoid racial profiling in any state is if law enforcement required that ANYONE stopped or interacting with police be required
to show proof of citizenship, not just people they suspect are illegal immigrants.

In most other countries around the world, if you have any interaction with law enforcement and don't have ID, you have a lot of trouble for yourself.
It should be the same all over the USA.

I also like the idea of tougher sentences for crimes committed by illegal immigrants.

I would expect that the Federal Government will now have to sue the State of Florida as well, otherwise their lawsuit against Arizona would seem to be
singling them out.

Well to be honest, I've always wondered how Miami became "Little Havana". Of course now it's "Big Havana". Maybe with a little of this law in
effect, it might become "Little Havana" once again. Prepare, Fidel, cause some Cubans probably gonna be coming your way.

I'm glad this idea has spread like wildfire, because it needs to be kept fresh in people's minds. It keeps pressure on the feds and keeps throwing
eggs on their faces for failing to act to secure this country. The more states that give the finger to the feds over NOT enforcing our laws the better
chance we all have of getting the offenders out of office in the next election.

Originally posted by babybunnies
This is what the Arizona law does too, in respect to the "checking immigrant status for a 'lawful stop' ". They will NOT be stopping Jose
Anonymous who is just going out for ice cream, unless he then robs the ice cream store.

The problem with the Arizona law is that it DID give police the power to question anyone they thought were immigrants for ANY violation. So any kids
standing in a group could be stopping for 'loitering'. Any adult motorist could be stopped for not using a turn signal, etc. Everyone was shouting
that only criminals would be questioned but the law was clearly open for abuse and anyone who thinks cops don't abuse obscure laws is not being
honest with themselves.

In most other countries around the world, if you have any interaction with law enforcement and don't have ID, you have a lot of trouble for yourself.
It should be the same all over the USA.

ID yes, but I don't know of a single country where you have to carry proof of citizenship or your immigration documents. I lived in Germany for 4
years and you needed to have a form stamped just to go take a pee, but they would never dream of making immigrants carry their passports and
registration documents. That's too German even for the Germans.

I also like the idea of tougher sentences for crimes committed by illegal immigrants.

what i can't figure out how they can deem it unconstituional when that should only apply to legal immigrantsand american citizems.- this does not
cover people invading our country.if you haven't gone through the proper legal channels and just come here for "anchor babies" then tough go back
where you came from-let your gov't and taxpayers take care of you- if they won"t then sorry. my taxes should not be spent to help illegals.

It doesn't matter if they're from Jupiter and armed with death rays, all laws we write in this country have to be within the framework of the
constitution. If you don't mind them writing a law to make not carrying immigration papers illegal, they can go right ahead and make carrying a gun
illegal.

Does this not remind anyone of the way Germany was treated and the control over the population was accomplished there, does no one REMEMBER history??
the problems are at the borders and not within them, NO ONE SHOULD BE asked to present papers for merely curiosity sake, a lot of people look ethnic
(Spanish etc ...) even when there not.

Originally posted by svpwizard
the problems are at the borders and not within them

This is simply not true.

The problems are both at the borders AND within the borders as we have an estimated 10 million + illegals in the country already. These people have
no right to be here, and it's a slap in the face to the LEGAL immigrants who did all the right things to get in.

The factory farm industry should be severely punished for basically squeezing out all the black workers they cut in favor of cheap labor smuggled
into this country. They didn't want to deal with a union, they don't want to give out benefits... being a meat packer USED to be a point of pride in
this country, now it's in the hands of criminals.

Don't believe that? Well feel free to pick up a Mexican newspaper and browse through the job ads, they freely advertise for $10-11/hr. jobs in the
U.S.

It's just a shame, and needs to be stopped and completely reversed to give our own citizens the right to have decent jobs again.

Cubans just need to touch a grain of land and all papers are given to them. There is no such thing as an illegal cuban.
It is not because they are treated differently then other countries it is because there is an embargo in place with Cuba.
So to the poster who said that 'big havana' will become 'little havana' your soo wrong. Anyways if you go to miami you will see that the area of
little havana in Miami, is now little Managua. Nicaraguans all over the place.

Funny how my country is given this benefit and we are the least concern for immigration problems in this country, even though we are all over the US,
the majority of the immigration problems come from central and south america.

A large majority of meat packers and other factory food workers were black. They had good, proud jobs with nice wages, benefits, etc.

Now this is not the case, they smuggle in workers from Mexico, bus them into work for free in a 100 mile radius once they are here, and the feds
arrest a few every month so it looks like they are doing something.

n the 1930s and early 1940s, however, workers achieved unionization under the CIO's United Packinghouse Workers of America (UPWA). An
interracial committee led the organizing in Chicago, where the majority of workers in the industry were black, and other major cities, such as Omaha,
Nebraska, where they were an important minority in the industry. UPWA workers made important gains in wages, hours and benefits. In 1957 the
stockyards and meat packing employed half the workers of Omaha. The union supported a progressive agenda, including the Civil Rights Movement of the
1960s. While the work was still difficult, for a few decades workers achieved blue-collar, middle-class lives from it.

The meatpacking industry continues to employ many immigrant laborers, including some who are undocumented workers. In the early 20th century the
workers were immigrants from eastern and southern Europe, and black migrants from the South. Today many are Hispanic, from Mexico, Central and South
America. The more isolated areas in which the plants are located put workers at greater risk due to their limited ability to organize and to seek
redress for work-related injuries.

So this industry specifically targets illegals by advertising now INSIDE their own countries, and has screwed over our own LEGAL minorities in the
process. And nothing is being done about it.

This is why I said the problem is not only the border but inside the border as well.

You guys are really screwed, not for the illegal immigration but the internal back biting and hatred ya'll have, you have learned absolutely NOTHING
from whats going on and have gotten exactly what you ordered.

CORRUPTION and special interest groups running the government. causing the people to hate groups of people for assorted reasons while the whole time
keeping you guys hating each other stealing the country from right IN FRONT OF YOU.

If you had 3 brain cells to rub together you would see, all the outsourcing for corporate greed and profit, consumer demand for CHEAPER products has
pretty much made the US a consumer nation with little to no manufacturing base and those 10-20 million Mexicans are not ALL working illegals so the
numbers are like 5 million are not taking your middle class jobs some (21% Unemployment = 42 million lost jobs)

Not that any logical explanation will get you to look at whats happening, because its easier to blame big bad immigrants for your stupidity. THE
GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!

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