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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

<quoted text>you havent said anything pertaing to the topic were all waitinghelp me see the invisible man that lives in the sky.

You want me to say or explain ........what?I replied to the example of stupidity you displayed

ignorance is bliss86 wrote:

Siro wrote:<quoted text>If manna is the visible physical effect then what was the cause?<quoted text>Same from above applies here.Is nature self created? And how do all the different components work together and how was this arranged?<quoted text>He can touch our hearts and on the same level it is your choice whether or not to have faith.If you choose not to have faith, he can choose not to touch your heart.Its not all about you....you know.<quoted text>Sounds like you have a problem with the religion you were in - not God.this should go down in the encylepedia as a text book example of ignorance and idiocyon another note creationist need to learn that just because every detail of the universe hasnt been ironed out or unraveled with science yet doesnt automaticly means that your mythological being known as god exsist by defalt

You say my post was a text book example of ignorance and idiocy.Read the dumbarss pap you posted.Were you educated in a crack house?You are truly stupid

<quoted text>You want me to say or explain ........what?I replied to the example of stupidity you displayed<quoted text>You say my post was a text book example of ignorance and idiocy.Read the dumbarss pap you posted.Were you educated in a crack house?You are truly stupid

lol again with the misdirection ill keep bringing u back do you have any factual proof or evidence that god exsist (omitting the bibile and faith)

<quoted text>Nope.I do believe in a higher power that brought forth all creation without exception.His name is Jehovah and I am not him.

You have no supporting evidence for this assertion of yours, therefore, your god is nothing but your alter ego. Thus when you support stoning children and pedophilia then justify it with "god commanded it" you are really saying that you wanted it to be commanded.

<quoted text>In other words all you have are lies. Sorry, it would not be Alexander the Great and it definitely would not be on youtube.Besides Alexander was a white racist who shrank to midget size when he saw the superiority of the black African Kings and pyramids in Africa.

He became the king of Egypt , and the father of a Greek Dynasty that ruled over Egypt!

When Alexander entered Egypt, he received the typical fivefold title of the pharaoh: from now on, he was the Horus, the protector of Egypt; king of Upper and Lower Egypt; beloved by Amun; the chosen one of Ra; the son of Ra, Alexander. The last element,'son of Ra', is of course the most important. As ruler of Egypt, Alexander was the son of the sun.

Ancient man did not have the advancements and data that we have. They thought doing rituals and killing animals on an alter would please the sky wizard and receive his approval for harvest or whatever. They thought you could whisper the right words to stop a hurricane from destroying your city.

Time has brought about progress and mankind is growing up.

Time to put away childish things eh?

Dave Nelson wrote:

<quoted text>In the beginning the description of it may have been accurate in a metaphorical way, but the description of it was quickly perverted to advance the interests of a particular group. That wouldn't make the original any less real, just discredited.

Man has a way of doing that. Including secularists and the noble ideas they profess.

<quoted text>Your perspective on the subject is sadly lacking.What are you trying to prove? There is no supernatural or dimension other than this physical one, or that you are possessed by some emotional issue?

<quoted text>Your reacted to an old book in your youth. It being the only religion or spiritual education you knew your reaction was focused on that religion and portrayal of the spiritual world. You were unable to view existence and spiritual matters outside that paradigm, so your reaction became not just a denial of that religion, but of existence beyond this physical. You went off into the wilderness blind, so to speak.Don't feel alone. You, I, and countless millions or billions did the same thing. Reaction to the only thing you were taught which blinded you to other possibilities. Kind of stuck on stupid. So you defaulted to the "scientism" religion.Here is a fact.If your religious training was based upon The Book of Einstein and you detected inconsistencies and errors like you did in the Bible, you would be railing against science right now.There is middle ground.Be skeptical about everything.

I am. Einstein was wrong about a lot of things. I don't deify him, so I am not forced to perform mental gymnastics when confronted by something he said that was profoundly dumb.

And I did not make any decisions when I was a child. I began to doubt. It's an ongoing process. Right now, religion is losing badly.

<quoted text>Therein is the problem in the church. Power. Not power over individuals minds per se (unless we're talking about Jehovah's Witnesses or other heretic cults). Among fundamentalist congregations, pastors often don't have the required education themselves and receive their ordination or credentials from a diploma mill as opposed to an accredited seminary or theological school. This problem seems to filter right down to Sunday school teachers who quite often are trusted laypersons within the congregation with very little theological education. The congregation is subject to the politics and comfort of the pastor. If the pastor isn't secure in his knowledge then he will stay with what he's comfortable with, and likewise, will try to keep his congregation "safe." This is comparable to the parent that won't let their child learn how to cross the street safely out of fear they'll be struck by a car. It's incredibly short sighted. Your question could have (and should have) been answered immediately with theological soundness.Jesus overturned the money changers tables for more than one reason. It's a well known fact that rabbis in Jesus' time committed the entire Torah to memory, and they knew the verses and passages backwards and forwards, night or day, in any weather, etc, etc. In other words, they were experts in what the Torah said in black and white. What confused them was the way Jesus applied the scriptures. He often combined phrases and passages through his actions.Caiaphas was the Roman installed High Priest that year. This is consistent with Roman practices of letting locals maintain positions of power in their communities so long as Rome's interests were served best. Caiaphas and his family were in charge of the Temple and the vendors there who sold sacrificial animals. There was price gouging and unethical rate exchanges going on. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. He entered from the Mount of Olives on a donkey. This is important, and the rabbis and other religious leaders knew this. It's importance comes from the prophecy of Zechariah 14: verses 4 and 21.(4)"And on that day, his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem." (21)"And on that day there will no longer be traders in the Temple of the Lord."Jesus was conveying different messages simultaneously here.1)He was condemning the corruption of the religious-political leaders and making a statement that this judgement was coming from God. He was claiming divinity and the right to judge Israel, it's religious leadership, and the hearts of individuals.2)The outer court of the Temple was for Gentiles. Gentiles were treated as a lower class by the religious leaders, much as fundamentalists do to unbelievers today. This was (and still is) wrong, and Jesus was ending it. Pagans and Gentiles were not allowed beyond the outer courtyard. When Jesus turned the tables (the origin of the saying) He was sending a loud message to the arrogance of the religious leaders: "The way is open for all to come to me!" You can imagine how the ruling party of the religious leaders would have reacted.3)Jesus knew this event would seal His fate. He did this for that reason also. Because from that point on, the Pharisees were committed to killing him before Passover. They had to act immediately because the Romans would brutally suppress any form of insurrection, and the Pharisees were granted authority by Rome to maintain the peace, or Rome would.

What exactly does it mean when they call them sheep? Does that mean that they regard them as nothing more than sheep, or does that have an even scarier implication than I think? Does that mean they merely think of them as puppets in their religion?

The analogy refers to the fact that sheep were the most common farm animal in that culture. Domesticated sheep need a shepherd who will keep them safe from predators. In Jesus' day "predators" were false Messiahs and other cultural leaders who didn't have spiritual concerns.

Why is it that many atheists are antagonistic against a God that does not exist and does not by implication challenge their reality?Isn't antagonism towards a non existent being a sign of pure madness?

No one is antagonising a mythical God, we're antagonising each other!And of course: Why do religious people on Topix try to antagonise Atheists at all when they're religious and should be living clean lives, with clean minds and shouldn't even associate with us because we may try to lie, and confuse them, cause after all Satan may be in us.

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