Oh, not just the first pick, its all 12 in order of finish (I realize my post implied just the first pick was predetermined

If new guys take the spots, that is random for who they took over for, or I've seen where they are tucked at the end of the 1st round in order they signed up etc

That's an interesting idea. I'm in other leagues where we do this and another where its random. Thing is - what if three guys drop out and they had the 1st, 6th, and 12 picks? How do you assign the three newbies who replace them? I'm with Rob - if it was a keeper league and you had the same guys year after year, I think this would make sense, but if teams are turning over fairly regualrly, random is the only fair way to do it. I also don't think you can set up a rule like this for current year draft - it would have to apply to next year. Otherwise people who vote for it now are basing their votes on where they would end up drafting since we already know how people performed last year.

Nope, can't change that setting. I think Yahoo's official statement is you only find out 15 minutes in advance, but Rob's correct that it is usually closer to 30 minutes or somewhere in between the two.

Settings, settings, settings people. Only Rob and Dressel picked a side. No one else does, the standard settings we use go forward. I'm not dicking around with them on the last day, so decide by August 15th. M'kay? No vote means status quo.

If we are going to be giving yardage bonuses than I think we need to up the turnover penalty a bit. In the case of a running back a fumble should cost more than just the point equivalent of 10 yards of rushing. If a back were to have 100 yds rushing with a TD, he would be getting 17 points. That's a pretty big score for one player for close to a typical days work for a good #1 back. If that player were to however have 3 fumbles lost that game as well they should lose more than just 3 points... Turnovers really hurt teams in game and I think we should be penalized for them too. I'd kind of like to see the value of Passing TDs raised up to +6 as well, but if no one else wants that I could live with them set at 4.

I liked JediJman's defensive scoring suggestion, but would tweak it a little bit:

I've played in a league where we had scoring like that, and I enjoyed it. A defense can have a great game in real life and completely shut the opposing team down, but if they don't get sacks, fumbles, or INTs we don't get squat for it.

I'm okay with all of the above EXCEPT passing TDs at 6 points. I don't think a passer should get as many points as a skill player for their TDs - just makes that position more valuable than the others and I'd rather see more equality. If you want to raise the penalty on interceptions and fumbles to -2pts, I can live with that but would prefer -1. Turnovers frequently result from the actions of a solid defense versus a player mistake, so I'd rather see a lower overall punishment.

Brent - can you clarify what you want us to vote on? I see Rob's scoring recos, but don't know how much this differs from current. Since there is alignment on most of the scoring, maybe we should vote on a few different chunks of scoring options (QB/Skill vs. Kickers vs. Defenses as three separate votes for example) rather than an option A or B.

When I proposed the new scoring idea, I crafted it in a way that I think is balanced with a little more credence given to overall production and a little less to straight touchdown production. I didn't really intend a big discussion that dissects the proposal point for point.

So unless some consensus magically evolves over the next day or two, I'll just vote to leave it alone too.

I'm also strongly against the idea of 6 points for a QB. Tom Brady alone would have scored like 500 points last season if that were the case.

Settings, settings, settings people. Only Rob and Dressel picked a side. No one else does, the standard settings we use go forward. I'm not dicking around with them on the last day, so decide by August 15th. M'kay? No vote means status quo.

I'm pretty much indifferent between the two scoring systems - all I'm really concerned with is having things set in time to work out my draft plan a bit ahead of time.