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Rai and His Soul Weapon

There is a question if Rai even has a soul weapon, but I want to hear your opinion about this particular matter.

It might be that Rai already has a soul weapon, but he did not show it untill now, becouse there was no strong enough opponent in front of Rai, to even give him a challange !!!

So what do you think about Rai and his soul weapon, discuss it here !!!

Personally I believe that Rai might already have one soul weapon (from his ancestors), and soon he might get the second one (in future from only the soul of the old Lord and with this a new soul weapon, although the "soul weapon" from the old Lord would be given to the present Lord). So I decided for to vote "Yes".

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Its not that i think its just that i HOPE that he has one. I mean obviously it is seeming that the Noblesses are divided into clans. And all the clan heads has a soul weapon, Rai seems to be a lone drifter , may be his clans is sestroyed or sth so teh clans soul weapon will be carried out by the lone survivor
Not that i think that if there were more folks of his clans they would have been worthy of carrying the soul weapon when he is around i mean so far he is the strongest character shown on the series (not considering the old lord)

Now, if Rai or The Lord wield this weapon, can you imagine how strong they become? The power boost from Ragnarok should be so potent that the wielder becomes untouchable beyond words. My theory is, Ragnarok will be the decisive factor. One may ask, why even have such a weapon exist in the story? There are many possibilities, may be Crombel or the Organization would come up with a creating so strong that even Rai and the Lord would be helpless as they are. We have already seen likes of Krantz. Regis, short on experience and not strong enough than other Nobles, was still defeated by a modified human.

Does Rai has his own soul weapon?

If he has own weapon, he does not need another. Like I said above, Ragnarok should be the strongest soul weapon, having will and powers of previous lords.

For whom the weapon was left for by the previous Lord?

We have to consider the affection the lord shared with Rai. I believe he left it for him. But the question, is can he wield it as Rai is not a blood relative to the Lord. I have a theory, may be Ragnarok is not meant to be wielded by the blood relatives only. Perhaps, it has more to do with the righteous person, one who has compassion, kindness and strong sense of justice. Especially, a person who will not be corrupted by the power. With Ragnarok, I assume one can even dominate the world, no?

The lord may have left the weapon for Rai's custody till the current lord is fit to wield it. I can see her lacking maturity and the compassion / kindness his father had. She is not fit to have this kind of power as yet. I doubt she ever will be honestly.

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Originally Posted by Freid

Rai's soul weapon is probably Excalibur

I agree with you.

The way Rai is portrayed as a character being a natural leader, in this case the most suitable Noble of being the Lord. And the Soul Weapon, being so far, a reflection of it's wielder. The only thing that comes in my mind is Excalibur.

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Originally Posted by Host Samurai

The way Rai is portrayed as a character being a natural leader, in this case the most suitable Noble of being the Lord. And the Soul Weapon, being so far, a reflection of it's wielder. The only thing that comes in my mind is Excalibur.

Well do not forget that the Soul Weapon is/was created by the Ancestor's. Who knows what type of person Rai's ancestor was (if there was one). Excalibur gives me a bit too much of a "golden knight on a horse" feeling.
I would appreciate something more dark like f.ex. Gehenna - In early Christian writing it represents the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed. It is a place where both soul and body could be destroyed in "unquenchable fire".

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Originally Posted by naruto-niichan

Well do not forget that the Soul Weapon is/was created by the Ancestor's. Who knows what type of person Rai's ancestor was (if there was one). Excalibur gives me a bit too much of a "golden knight on a horse" feeling.
I would appreciate something more dark like f.ex. Gehenna - In early Christian writing it represents the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed. It is a place where both soul and body could be destroyed in "unquenchable fire".

Yeah, I'm aware of that. But don't forget that Rai would have also inherited his Ancestor's ideals not only the power of his predecessor. In the old Legends about Excalibur; the sword, which was stucked in a rock. It was said that Excalibur while being stuck on a rock waited for someone worthy to pull it out and become the King. You see that I'm focusing on the worthy part. And Rai being righteous, kind, who also shows compassion for the weak makes it for me more likely that his Soul Weapon is Excalibur indeed.

By the way the darkness theme would rather fit Frankenstein instead of Rai.

Re: Rai and his Soul Weapon

Originally Posted by Host Samurai

Yeah, I'm aware of that. But don't forget that Rai would have also inherited his Ancestor's ideals not only the power of his predecessor. In the old Legends about Excalibur; the sword, which was stucked in a rock. It was said that Excalibur while being stuck on a rock waited for someone worthy to pull it out and become the King. You see that I'm focusing on the worthy part. And Rai being righteous, kind, who also shows compassion for the weak makes it for me more likely that his Soul Weapon is Excalibur indeed.

By the way the darkness theme would rather fit Frankenstein instead of Rai.

I'm not quite sure of that. Rael has a Soul Weapon too and he doesn't looks like he has inherited his Ancestor's ideals yet it could be an exception because his soul was divided. At least I wouldn't say that you automatically inherit the ideals, just that the Ancestor sees you most fitting for inheriting his soul. So who knows if his Ancestor(s) were completely the same, even though it's likely.

I get your point and it would definitely fit him but that would just be too predictable and not really inventive. It could be but I would be kinda disappointed :/
Agreed that darkness fits Franky a lot more, it's just me wishing for something more unpredictable but it's not like it has to be something bound to darkness. I like Charlie's idea of something related to Zeus or another god/godess.

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As for me, I believe that, if Rai already has a soul weapon it would be called "Dracula", why the blood reminds me of the red sky, what reminds me of Dracula.

Still, I believe that Rai would get as I already partly mentioned in first post here, a soul weapon from only the soul of the previous Lord and that one would be called "Excalibur". To tell you the truth, it kind of reminds me that Rai would be like a Noble knight of the previous king who left him his royal sword (old Lord's beliefs).

Also the legend goes well with the story of Excalibur, becouse after drawing/attaining this sword, Rai would be seen much more suitable/recognized by other clan Leaders, as a true king (the Lord). Not to mention the true present Lord who would be left only as a figure to obey and admire (like admiring and obeying a statue)...

I realy complicated this stuff, but I still hope, you understood what I was trying to say...

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I choose yes because... I have a hunch about that.
We can't say anything since we don't even know if Rai has a family or not to pass down the soul weapon to him. It seems like the previous lord paid so much attention to him because of his excellence and his loneliness as well... I think what actually counts in nobles is the family name. So for Rai to be considered as a noble by the previous lord must mean that he is a noble indeed, and that he has family, and that he has a soul weapon.
About its name, meh, I guess I don't really care. He can even name it Ramen and I would be careless. As long as it's Rai, even Ramen looks elegant. XD Just kidding, of course. Excalibur sounds like a good match for Ragnarok.

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Hmmmm. I'm the only one so far to say, "No."

In my mind Soul Weapons are like the scepter & crown the King and Queen of Britain wear for coronation.
It's something that is inherited and passed down, vested the sentimental power of heritage and tradition.

i.e. I believe the soul weapons are not an abstract manifestation of the soul.
But a physical real object that a clan leader or Noble may impart a part of their soul to.
Once these objects gain this soul property, then the can be manipulated as a force.

This is my opinion. But if soul weapons were the manifestation of the soul, then it should change from one generation to the next. And the power would be pasted on or transferred to a person, who manifests their own, and not be an item consistently recognizable.