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Last Sunday while at church, my group was approached by a lovely couple who informed us of their problem. They spoke with Regina and Felicia that they have wanted someone to come into the home and investigate for over 15 years. They asked us to come out to their home and investigate. They then told us that they believe there home is on a Native American burial ground and that the spirits have not only come into their day to day life, but they have shown themselves in their dreams. They told us that the dreams are about an invasion into their home, the spirits telling them to get out. It has caused not only emotional stress but physical stress as on them both. Their neighbor had informed them that the land was once Miwok land. During the late 1800's the Miwoks did in fact live on the land. When settlers came to the Sacramento area, there were outbreaks of many diseases such as cholera and malaria. The Native American believed that the spirits of the eucalyptus trees would keep away the diseases. In fact in Sacramento in the early 1900's it was full of eucalyptus trees. Cholera and other diseases were caused by mosquitos and the eucalyptus trees sap repel the mosquitos.

I talk to the Executive director for the Lodi Historical Society and informed him that I was doing historical research for the area. This is what he told me.

-5,000 years ago ancestors of the Miwoks lived in the area, during the Wind miller Period

- He does believe there are Indian burial grounds in that area due to the fact that the Native American villages were along the river during the mission times all the way to Drakes Bay.

-In 1833 trappers came down to California to sell fur and when they came they brought in Malaria

- 80% of the population of the Native Americans in California died because of the diseases brought by travelers. The 20% that was left were forced into the hills of the California Valley.

-in 1970 the government terminated reservations in the Lodi area.

- There are many separate language groups of Miwok. The reason for so many small tribes was because they would take care of the land in specific areas. They belonged to one specific area in which they would burn controlled fires and take care of the plants and animals in that area. They never consumed more than what they needed to survive

In the early days the Native American's were apart of the land. They believed that the spirits would be happy if their people would care for the land. Many times during war over thier land, they would burn their own villages and throw themselves into the fire to keep it. We have had many investigations were there have been Native American burial ground underneath the homes .

Date of investigation: February 11th 2012 5PM

Investigators:

Regina Tellez-Native American Cleanser an investigator

Judy Raderchak- videographer, EVP

Felicia -photographer, EVP

The investigation started at 5pm in Lodi. We talk to the clients a bit then took pictures of the outside area and did a few EVP's. We then continued in the home starting with the attic area that is used for an office. We found extremely high Electromagnetic field in the attic space due to it being above the garage. We had explained to the client that the high EMF can affect you physically especially those who are sensitive to them. We then headed down stairs in the bed room were the client had heard people talking outside the window. When she looked no one was there. As we were doing our recordings we heard tapping and shuffling inside of the room. One area of the room felt electrically charged. We unplugged the clock radio. (Clock radios or any devise with an LCD screen gives off high EMF's)

We got a few orbs in our pictures which two photos, the orb seems to be in motion. We did capture some interesting noises on our recordings when it was placed inside the bedroom with the door closed and no one was in there. We believe that the if there is a spirit in the home that it is benevolent .That the spirits may just be communicating to her through her dreams to express of there unwanting of those who trespass upon the land. After the investigation we continued to the Pleasant Grove Cemetery. We captured strange mists in our photos and strange ords.

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rashore 7,957

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Forget being a believer or skeptic- being a skeptical believer or believing skeptic provides for much more interesting discussion.

I'm a little curious how they knew there was a burial ground where their house was built. How do they know this? I mean, if the foundation was being dug and human bones were turning up, it isn't exactly the norm to just proceed with construction. It's far more the norm for an investigation to take place.

For a personal comparison. When the previous owners of our property still owned the place. Grandpa was digging out the bog to make a pond, and they found a moose jaw. Not even human bones, yet still construction was halted and the university called in so the area could be checked out before construction could proceed.

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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

I'm a little curious how they knew there was a burial ground where their house was built. How do they know this? I mean, if the foundation was being dug and human bones were turning up, it isn't exactly the norm to just proceed with construction. It's far more the norm for an investigation to take place.

For a personal comparison. When the previous owners of our property still owned the place. Grandpa was digging out the bog to make a pond, and they found a moose jaw. Not even human bones, yet still construction was halted and the university called in so the area could be checked out before construction could proceed.

Exactly........I love the claim of " Indian Burial Grounds "......That dang movie started all of this.

Housing communities are not built on Indian Burial Grounds......If this was known don't you think the Tribe of that area would be doing something about this?.....Uhm, yes.....It would be sacred grounds, and not be built on.This house is not on Indian burial grounds, do some research on that and you will see.

Anyway, a orb is just dust or moisture, pretty much proven fact now.....Sorry, not a spirit.

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No offense, but you are a " Paranormal Investigation Team "?.......And you call orbs spirits?

EMF's can cause this, especially to people that are sensitive?.....Trained from TV?

I am curious where people are getting this information on how EMF's can effect people, even make them sick....Who did the studies, and where are the results please?

I highly suggest people start researching EMF'sd themselves, and not learn about them from " Paranormal " shows.......Learn about them from electricians, and labs.

Below is what has been obtained by studies, and this is under high EMF's, and mind you, we all work and live with EMF's 24/7......Below that info are links for factual information on Electro Magnetic Fields.

There is no study or findings that EMF's can make people hallucinate, hear things, get sick, get rashes, see ghosts.......Correct me if I am wrong.

Q What have we learned from clinical studies?

A Laboratory studies with human volunteers have attempted to answer questions such as,

Does EMF exposure alter normal brain and heart function?

Does EMF exposure at night affect sleep patterns?

Does EMF exposure affect the immune system?

Does EMF exposure affect hormones?

The following kinds of biological effects have been reported. Keep in mind that a

biological effect is simply a measurable change in some biological response. It may

or may not have any bearing on health.

Heart rate

An inconsistent effect on heart rate by EMF exposure has been reported. When

observed, the biological response is small (on average, a slowing of about three to

five beats per minute), and the response does not persist once exposure has ended.

Two laboratories, one in the United States and one in Australia, have reported effects

of EMF on heart rate variability. Exposures used in these experiments were relatively

high (about 300 mG), and lower exposures failed to produce the effect. Effects have

not been observed consistently in repeated experiments.

Sleep electrophysiology

A laboratory report suggested that overnight exposure to 60-Hz magnetic fields may

disrupt brain electrical activity (EEG) during night sleep. In this study subjects were

exposed to either continuous or intermittent magnetic fields of 283 mG. Individuals

The International EMF Project - Established by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 1996 to assess the scientific evidence of possible health effects of EMF in the frequency range from 0 to 300 GHz, this website is an excellent source of information on EMF.

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mattryan209 12

Ah wonderful,lovable little Lodi. Well, I guess its not so little anymore and so may even say loveable...Anyways, I knew new about the Yokut Indians in Stockton,but didn't know about the Miwoks in Lodi.I didn't know about the reservations either.Quite interesting part about Lodi's Indian history I must say

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vitruvian12 87

The claims of "Indian burial grounds" seems a lot like the claims of splinters of the "true cross". There seems to be far more native burial grounds than there could have been natives. I think the claim is made despite sometimes having no knowledge of a particular native people's burial practices.

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Well I doubt that the ancestors of the land are that active around their barial grounds, but natives have lived here for 10s of thousands of years. They are sure to be buried or cremated all over the place. I'm sure burial grounds are just a little less as common as they are now,

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Like Sakari, I groaned at the inferences that the 'orbs' were spirits - with no other possibilities mentioned, from a supposed 'investigation team'. More like an "Our minds are made up" team.

If you are remotely serious about your investigations:

1. Learn about your camera (Canon A590IS, right?) and how it responds to dust/bugs near (or even ON) the lens, given the flash is very close to that lens and the small sensor and lens gives such a wide depth of field... Does Felicia not know about this?

2. Then.. dump that camera and get a decent DSLR with separate flash on an off-camera bracket.

If you try number 2.. you will find all your orbs miraculously vanish as that type of camera has much less depth of field, thus throwing the close-up dust so far out of focus they are effectively invisible, and the flash gun will be pointing more towards the distance, rather than so effectively lighting up those bits of stuff right next to the lens..

Cynically, I'm betting you WON'T try no 2. as that will remove a selling point for your services.. Much better to keep the camera that will be almost guaranteed to produce orbs in any non-clean-room environment. But I'll be delighted if you prove me wrong.

As for the EMF - what exactly was your equipment testing/recording, what levels were found, how did you determine what 'normal' readings might be and how did you determine what other causes for these fields might/did exist? Saying clock radios and anything with an LCD screen give high emf's is not necessarily correct at all..

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ChrLzs 11,162

A small addition.. The fact that this was written up as a UM article and the authors seem to be only too happy to supply links to their website and services, but would appear to be uninterested in discussing, debating or justifying their methodologies or claims, strongly suggests something to me.

Something.. unpleasant.

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The reason the client believes there property is on a native american burial ground is the fact that her neighbor found a skull buried on the property. I don't know were and why he has not said anything about it. I have tried to contact the neighbor and have contacted the client to actually go see this skull. When I do these investigations I work very hard on gathering solid evidence.

I visit local historical societies and speak with those who are more knowledgeable in the specific field. For this investigation I even visited with the Miadu Indian tribe members for more information

and they told me that if we could validate for a absolute fact that the remains found on the property was that of a native american,of their tribe' that they themselves would go out and do a proper ceremony .

Regarding the 'orbs' I don't necessarily believe 'orbs' are paranormal. I just found it interesting that during our entire investigation at there home we only picked up a 3 orbs that were in motion. They could have been dust particles or something of that effect. I never stated that it was a spirit. Regarding EMF's According to Swedish scientist, they have studied extremely high emfs and how these emfs effect the brain. If you actually read on my website you might have some insight into were I am getting my information. Look at cell phones for example..some Dr. say they can cause headaches and some people are even crazy enough to say that they can cause cancer. In the end it's all scientific opinion.

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The reason the client believes there property is on a native american burial ground is the fact that her neighbor found a skull buried on the property. I don't know were and why he has not said anything about it. I have tried to contact the neighbor and have contacted the client to actually go see this skull. When I do these investigations I work very hard on gathering solid evidence.

I'm not seeing anything much to back that up - we have to take your word for the credibility of the 'historian's, and no proper cites or references are being made available, just secondhand anecdotes.

I visit local historical societies and speak with those who are more knowledgeable in the specific field. For this investigation I even visited with the Miadu Indian tribe members for more information

and they told me that if we could validate for a absolute fact that the remains found on the property was that of a native american,of their tribe' that they themselves would go out and do a proper ceremony.

Are all such opinions, and even ceremonies, necessarily based on reality? In my own country's indigenous culture, much of the spirituality, mythical stories, etc is accepted as being just that - that doesn't lessen their importance in any way, don't get me wrong, in fact the honesty of that culture is wonderfully refreshing. But if I attempted to 'scientifically' investigating any of the stories, the people would rightly laugh at me!

Regarding the 'orbs' I don't necessarily believe 'orbs' are paranormal. I just found it interesting that during our entire investigation at there home we only picked up a 3 orbs that were in motion. They could have been dust particles or something of that effect.

I don't follow this. Surely that known fact that cameras such as the one you are using WILL image orbs in the most mundane circumstances, MUST mean that any such orbs should be dismissed as irrelevant in the absence of a other evidence. It would do you good to say the words and remember them:

Cameras like the one we are using, frequently image orbs which are dust/bugs/other particles close to the lens and illuminated by the flash.

I never stated that it was a spirit.

Here's what you said:

We got a few orbs in our pictures which two photos, the orb seems to be in motion. We did capture some interesting noises on our recordings when it was placed inside the bedroom with the door closed and no one was in there. We believe that the if there is a spirit in the home that it is benevolent. That the spirits may just be communicating to her through her dreams... we continued to the Pleasant Grove Cemetery. We captured strange mists in our photos and strange ords {sic}....

So, in that, there was no implication that the orbs were related to your 'hypothesis'??? I think you might reconsider how you word things in future.

Regarding EMF's According to Swedish scientist, they have studied extremely high emfs and how these emfs effect the brain.

ANOTHER uncited claim...? CITE the studies! How high were the levels in the study and how did they affect the brain? How high were the levels you measured, and more importantly how did you measure them? Do you not see where I am going with this?

You are posting this at a discussion forum, so discuss it *properly*. You're claiming A means B. Yet you won't discuss A or B properly, let alone the alleged correlation.

If you actually read on my website you might have some insight into were I am getting my information.

No, I'm not giving you any more hits. Present your argument HERE.

Look at cell phones for example..

I just looked at mine, and didn't get any useful insights..

some Dr. say they can cause headaches and some people are even crazy enough to say that they can cause cancer.

'some Dr', hey? I'm seeing a repeating pattern here.

And how exactly does cell-phone emf relate to the above topic? Refer back to the bit in red..

In the end it's all scientific opinion.

It's EITHER science or opinion. Good (aka 'accepted') science can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, repeated and cited. Opinion is the sort of stuff you are offering, and it is, so far, unsupported.

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I'm not seeing anything much to back that up - we have to take your word for the credibility of the 'historian's, and no proper cites or references are being made available, just secondhand anecdotes.

Are all such opinions, and even ceremonies, necessarily based on reality? In my own country's indigenous culture, much of the spirituality, mythical stories, etc is accepted as being just that - that doesn't lessen their importance in any way, don't get me wrong, in fact the honesty of that culture is wonderfully refreshing. But if I attempted to 'scientifically' investigating any of the stories, the people would rightly laugh at me!

I don't follow this. Surely that known fact that cameras such as the one you are using WILL image orbs in the most mundane circumstances, MUST mean that any such orbs should be dismissed as irrelevant in the absence of a other evidence. It would do you good to say the words and remember them:

Cameras like the one we are using, frequently image orbs which are dust/bugs/other particles close to the lens and illuminated by the flash.

Here's what you said:

So, in that, there was no implication that the orbs were related to your 'hypothesis'??? I think you might reconsider how you word things in future.

ANOTHER uncited claim...? CITE the studies! How high were the levels in the study and how did they affect the brain? How high were the levels you measured, and more importantly how did you measure them? Do you not see where I am going with this?

You are posting this at a discussion forum, so discuss it *properly*. You're claiming A means B. Yet you won't discuss A or B properly, let alone the alleged correlation.

No, I'm not giving you any more hits. Present your argument HERE.

I just looked at mine, and didn't get any useful insights..

'some Dr', hey? I'm seeing a repeating pattern here.

And how exactly does cell-phone emf relate to the above topic? Refer back to the bit in red..

It's EITHER science or opinion. Good (aka 'accepted') science can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, repeated and cited. Opinion is the sort of stuff you are offering, and it is, so far, unsupported.

That's great and all but I really don't care what you say. I do what I do to help my clients and in this case I did help my client.