Robert Spencer is a man of great inspiration to all of us who dedicate a large portion of our spare time to combating the influence of islam in Europe. I’ve don’t have anything else to say, Mr. Spencer, than a big

THANK YOU!

Along with Walid Shoebat, Spencer kickstarted my interest in islam and immigration to Europe and the problems that are being forced upon us.

osamah

Robert Spencer’s argumentation about the Ahmadiyya movement really shows his tactics. He did’nt put forward any argument in favour of his position that this movement is just as dhimmi imposing as he falsely claims Islam is all about. He only said that their being persecuted doesn’t mean that their’re any different. So where is the actual arguments? We must only accept his position as such

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Osamah:

You dismiss the arguments of Robert Spencer offhand on the basis of a speech not intended to cover the issue of Ahmadiyya Islam in general. I suggest you go to jihadwatch.org, Spencer’s site, and search for relevant information there. In several posts he claims that while Ahmadis renounce violence to further their religion, their goal is identical to that of mainstream Islam: Global shari’a.

If you have any references suggesting otherwise, please share them with us. We are constantly on the lookout for the so-called ‘moderate unicorn’ of Islam, but I certainly have no reason to believe Ahmadiyya Islam is this fabled creature. Please give any textual references suggesting that Ahmadiyya Islam recognize democracy, including for polytheists, Jews, homosexuals etc. on an indefinite basis, and has no goal of imposing shari’a on the world.

osamah

LFPC

Just read this article. You should also know that i dont agree with your guys “right” to get proof in order to see Islam in a positive light. You should also know that every religion or ideology, including democracy, has a universal goal. But this is something positive, in accordance with human freedom. If this criteria is not met, you cannot call it either Christianity or Islam.

“You should also know that every religion or ideology, including democracy, has a universal goal. But this is something positive, in accordance with human freedom“.

As per Qur’an 9:29?

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.

I have a strong feeling that what you see as “human freedom” has nothing whatsoever to do with Western notions of freedom. And please, do not use the word ‘context’ when replying, or I will most certainly throw up my non-halal dinner over the keyboard.

Osamah

As you already know this is against those of the People of the Book who fought with the Muslims. Those who didn’t had friendly relationships, as you also know.

They are not all alike. Among the People of the Book there is a party who stand by their covenant; they recite the word of Allah in the hours of night and prostrate themselves before Him. 3:114

“According to Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Abbas and others, this refers to “the clergy of the People of the Scriptures who embraced the faith” of Islam. But steer clear of those who don’t accept Islam: v. 118, says Ibn Kathir, forbids Muslims from “taking followers of other religions as consultants and advisors,” for even those who are outwardly kind actually hate the Muslims (v. 119-120).” Blogging the Qur’an: Sura 3, “The Family of Imran,” verses 64-120

Interesting, Osamah, isn’t it: According to leading authorities and sources of Islam, the verse you just quoted refers to Muslims, not to non-Muslim “People of the Book.”

Seems that 3:113 is not the much sought for Golden Rule of Islam, doesn’t it? Now where is the Golden Rule of Islam to be found? Where, Osamah, does the Qur’an or the ahadith or the sira unequivocally state that the lives of kuffar have the same value as those of Muslims? Where do they state without any doubt that kuffar are to be granted the same rights as Muslims, indefinitely, even in a Muslim majority country? And even in the kilafah?

You can’t, Osamah. Your religion/ideology is supremacist to the bone. Islam is a shitty deal for all kuffar.

And as to your reading of 9:29: Too bad that your view has not been reflected in the inglorious history of Islamic conquest and plunder of other cultures since its inception. You know damned well that 9:29 is acted upon today, as it was for all subjugated peoples from India to North Africa, that Muslims were to collect the jizya from dhimmis. You know about the Pact of Omar, and the humiliating conditions it imposed upon the dhimma.

And yet you make no mention to these brutal facts at all. Kitman and taqiyya will get you nowhere here. We are enlightened enough to know what evil Islam is for free people of the world.