SO YOU THINK THE PENTAGRAM IS EVIL ???? Venus Transit TONIGHT !

Yes, the manner in which he is cast and sealed here for the rest of earths' days until judgement is still very much a mystery.

Quoting: Christlike

Im tryin to study how his release happens, If he is already here and bound like Prometheus or Loki, What releases him?

The verse on the "restraint", really intrigues me.

You know what it is that is now holding him back, so that he will be revealed when his time comes. 2 Thesalonians

QOUTEThe word here is in the neuter gender, "What withholdeth." In the following verse it is in the masculine gender, katecho - "he that letteth," or withholdeth; and the reference would seem to be to some agency or state of things under the control of an individual, or of some civil power, that then operated as a restraint on the natural tendency of things. Of this, the apostle says, they had had full information; but we can only conjecture what it was. The restraining power of anything controlled by an individual, or of any government, or the restraining power of God, would meet all that the phrase implies.

Vincent word study:

Better restraineth. The verb means to hold fast, as Luke 8:15 : to hold back, as Luke 4:42. See on Romans 1:18. He refers to some power which hinders the revelation of the man of sin or Antichrist.

Better, in his own season, Not before his appointed season.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Correct in that the apostle only revealed in part to us...so the force that restrains the man of sin has to be greater than we know. Considering the fact that the man of sin's power stems from mankind's worship on a mass scale, and you can understand that the restraining power has to be something that can keep the hearts of men from following his will.

It has always been an occult sign, and has always been a conduit for demonic energy. No matter how much rubbish this arch-deceiver of GLP puts out, it will not change this fact. He's just lying to himself and the rest of those who listen to him, and one day he will have to answer for these abominations and for leading others to eternal ruin.

Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness

You are what our ancestors call profane and why a Bible was written for you and the secret mysteries studied in a back room away from the ignorant.

Hello friends, I was being cheeky, sarcastic...It is divine and holy, this pentagram

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Hello brother!

I was just clarifying that science and or alchemy can be considered evil when used for non spiritual purposes as in the pursuit of money or gold from this science which I feel is inherently evil and the state of science today is centered around this evilness which we can clearly see in the pharmaceutical industry which is 100% non spiritual profit mongering corporations who use the science of the spirit to profit and to take something divine and make it a dark art as opposed to one of the light.

It is obvious to me that you are an alchemist of the light and truth as opposed to a scientist of the dark.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Yes of course Brother. Its a shame that its gotten to where its at now. Profit and power has gone ahead of ethics and compassion and fairness.

I found a good essay on this about the Illuminati. Its a essay I consider only half truth. cause I think religion is still important, esp the Judaic/Christian faith, But let me go get it anyways. It has some good points.

It has always been an occult sign, and has always been a conduit for demonic energy. No matter how much rubbish this arch-deceiver of GLP puts out, it will not change this fact. He's just lying to himself and the rest of those who listen to him, and one day he will have to answer for these abominations and for leading others to eternal ruin.

Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness

You are what our ancestors call profane and why a Bible was written for you and the secret mysteries studied in a back room away from the ignorant.

The Pentagram is considered an evil symbol mostly due to it's association with Luciferians.

The meaning and value of symbols are only relative to their current and actively usage in society.

Quoting: Christlike

Yes, and its time to stop the ignorance, Enjoy the beauty and awe of science rather than dark ages superstition or idolatry

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Wasn't Lucifer the name somebody opposed to that Catholic Church went by around 400 a.d.? I believe you posted a thread on it, might have the date off.

Quoting: HilosPP

Yes, here it is, Many have accused me of copying and pasting, when I used qoutes and did about two hours of research . I did type it out with my commentaries and condensing several sources

BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?COMPILED BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "

In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

In Latin, from which the English word is derived, Lucifer means "light-bearer" (from the words lucem ferre). It was the name given to the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, which heralds daylight. For this meaning, English generally uses the names "Morning Star" or "Day Star", and rarely "Lucifer".

The use of this name in reference to the devil stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that does not speak of any fallen angel but of the defeat of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer).[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. It is only in post-New Testament times that the Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction, especially when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.

The Birth of Venus [Eostre]

What you and I know as Easter.......

Easter has deep roots in the mythic past. Long before it was imported into the Christian tradition, the Spring festival honored the goddess Eostre or Eastre. The name is pronounced Easter. She was the ancient Anglo Saxon goddess of the dawn and the Vernal Equinox. Her name venerates the sun rising in the east. Easter Sunday sunrise services continue the sun-worship aspect of the holiday. The equinox is when the days begin growing into the long sunlight that will be Summer. This increase of daylight makes crops possible, hence the theme of fertility.

To think the master of subtlety created this?I was unaware that he created the heavans and the earth... let alone the orbits of venus and earth ;)Perhaps we should place our thanks in the hands of the one that Created - a thing lucifer/baphomet/mythra seems unable to do.

Still, I marvel at the mathematical perfection of creation. From the atom to the universe it simply blows my mind.

Hello friends, I was being cheeky, sarcastic...It is divine and holy, this pentagram

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Hello brother!

I was just clarifying that science and or alchemy can be considered evil when used for non spiritual purposes as in the pursuit of money or gold from this science which I feel is inherently evil and the state of science today is centered around this evilness which we can clearly see in the pharmaceutical industry which is 100% non spiritual profit mongering corporations who use the science of the spirit to profit and to take something divine and make it a dark art as opposed to one of the light.

It is obvious to me that you are an alchemist of the light and truth as opposed to a scientist of the dark.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

KT, heres the essay, But hes only half right, He leaves out faith and religion, And also our Corporate Government system has a purpose of placing out bait and temptations, and also allowing us conveniences so we can be more time on the internet

I consider this half truth, But a few good points !

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The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God.The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel.

The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. The Illuminati describes this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

The Illuminati. The messengers of the True God. The sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence. The Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time. It's religion is called Illumination. They have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone.

It has always been an occult sign, and has always been a conduit for demonic energy. No matter how much rubbish this arch-deceiver of GLP puts out, it will not change this fact. He's just lying to himself and the rest of those who listen to him, and one day he will have to answer for these abominations and for leading others to eternal ruin.

Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness

You are what our ancestors call profane and why a Bible was written for you and the secret mysteries studied in a back room away from the ignorant.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Why not just quote the story of Hypatia of Alexandria to make the point of where evil lies. Evil is not in objects, but the people who wield them.

In Ancient Greece, the geometry of the pentagram and its metaphysical associations were explored by the Pythagoreans (after Pythagoras 586-506BC) who considered it an emblem of perfection. It was called the Pentalpha (A five-pointed star, resembling five alphas joined at their bases), composed of five geometrical A's. Pythagoras was known to have traveled all over the ancient world. It's that his travels took him to Egypt, to Chaldea and to lands around the Indus where he shared his knowledge and views. Because of his travels we maybe able draw a connection with the presence of the pentagram in Tantrik art. These early Hindu and Buddhist writings seem to share Pythagoras' view of the star and it's symbology.

Yes, the manner in which he is cast and sealed here for the rest of earths' days until judgement is still very much a mystery.

Quoting: Christlike

Im tryin to study how his release happens, If he is already here and bound like Prometheus or Loki, What releases him?

The verse on the "restraint", really intrigues me.

You know what it is that is now holding him back, so that he will be revealed when his time comes. 2 Thesalonians

QOUTEThe word here is in the neuter gender, "What withholdeth." In the following verse it is in the masculine gender, katecho - "he that letteth," or withholdeth; and the reference would seem to be to some agency or state of things under the control of an individual, or of some civil power, that then operated as a restraint on the natural tendency of things. Of this, the apostle says, they had had full information; but we can only conjecture what it was. The restraining power of anything controlled by an individual, or of any government, or the restraining power of God, would meet all that the phrase implies.

Vincent word study:

Better restraineth. The verb means to hold fast, as Luke 8:15 : to hold back, as Luke 4:42. See on Romans 1:18. He refers to some power which hinders the revelation of the man of sin or Antichrist.

Better, in his own season, Not before his appointed season.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Correct in that the apostle only revealed in part to us...so the force that restrains the man of sin has to be greater than we know. Considering the fact that the man of sin's power stems from mankind's worship on a mass scale, and you can understand that the restraining power has to be something that can keep the hearts of men from following his will.

More than any typical restrainer at work here. ;)

Quoting: Christlike

Christlike, Its really indescribable. really, yes, This power, In other versions they interpret it as the Holy Spirit, Im looking for the Bible verse in which the English translation actually uses the word "restraint" I thought it was in Revelation.

The Son of the morning is the SUN, NOT the SON OF GOD, JESUS, THE CHRIST! The SUN is central in the worship of Lucifer or Satan. O Day Star is the "father of lies"! In him there is no truth, NONE!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7750766

Lucifer is light or vibration. The reflecting eye creates it's interpretation. As with all interpretation there is bias. If the two sides of the = sign, which is the egyptian sign of incidence beknownst to the sun , is not balanced the soul will not find logos.

The Son of the morning is the SUN, NOT the SON OF GOD, JESUS, THE CHRIST! The SUN is central in the worship of Lucifer or Satan. O Day Star is the "father of lies"! In him there is no truth, NONE!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7750766

Lucifer is light or vibration. The reflecting eye creates it's interpretation. As with all interpretation there is bias. If the two sides of the = sign, which is the egyptian sign of incidence beknownst to the sun , is not balanced the soul will not find logos.

Welcome to the machine

Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus

Yes, those who are dark, interpret Lucifer as evil. Those who are light see his light.

Hello friends, I was being cheeky, sarcastic...It is divine and holy, this pentagram

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Hello brother!

I was just clarifying that science and or alchemy can be considered evil when used for non spiritual purposes as in the pursuit of money or gold from this science which I feel is inherently evil and the state of science today is centered around this evilness which we can clearly see in the pharmaceutical industry which is 100% non spiritual profit mongering corporations who use the science of the spirit to profit and to take something divine and make it a dark art as opposed to one of the light.

It is obvious to me that you are an alchemist of the light and truth as opposed to a scientist of the dark.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Yes of course Brother. Its a shame that its gotten to where its at now. Profit and power has gone ahead of ethics and compassion and fairness.

I found a good essay on this about the Illuminati. Its a essay I consider only half truth. cause I think religion is still important, esp the Judaic/Christian faith, But let me go get it anyways. It has some good points.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Until we take out this bad element being abused, then we will never evolve as a brotherhood for this bad energy and karma will impeded any building efforts or attempts by the brotherhood to unite as one. It is these practitioners of the dark arts that need to change their ways an do an about face or we brothers need to simply take them out in a big way. Yes, the ends does justify the means but not when we have long surpassed the ends and any means other than military intervention, unification and or disclosure is all that is needed to finish the great work.

Hence, to allow this power to continue to be abused in the hands of selfish humans who have worn out their welcomes is a serious mistake and we good brothers who know it this fact are going to let all the great work back fire on all of us. That is why I feel 2012 is our year and what the Mayans had predicted as the end of a cycle. I can feel it in every which way and I feel my ancestors are using me to communicate with the brotherhood on low who is in charge of these affairs.

I also believe religion is still important and in the new age, we must still have offer it but in a unified and non divided way that helps us evolve into the 8th age more quickly than the 6th age has taken. I believe this transition can take 200 years or so as opposed to 2,000 with TV and the internet.

Christlike, Its really indescribable. really, yes, This power, In other versions they interpret it as the Holy Spirit, Im looking for the Bible verse in which the English translation actually uses the word "restraint" I thought it was in Revelation.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Utterly Indescribable is correct...as we continue to search out many things regarding the nature of Yah's perfection.

It has always been an occult sign, and has always been a conduit for demonic energy. No matter how much rubbish this arch-deceiver of GLP puts out, it will not change this fact. He's just lying to himself and the rest of those who listen to him, and one day he will have to answer for these abominations and for leading others to eternal ruin.

Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness

You are what our ancestors call profane and why a Bible was written for you and the secret mysteries studied in a back room away from the ignorant.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Why not just quote the story of Hypatia of Alexandria to make the point of where evil lies. Evil is not in objects, but the people who wield them.

Oh crap, I just paraphrased the guns concept.

Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus

True. This is why in Freemasonry very few people reach 33 degrees and go on to the Scottish Rite or Knights Templar. Hence, evil people serve a purpose on the outside of the temple and in building it but never will they be allowed inside to defile it with their dark souls.

Here is a great video from Many P Hall on alchemy and how many alchemists use it for gold which was NEVER what it was intended to be used for what we us true alchemists of the light MUST fix for us to evolve and unite.

The Cross or Crucifix shows the fullfillment of the idea that The Meek will inherit the Earth.

Paul, who as a practicing Rabbi, abbored the cross before he met with Jesus of Nazureth on the road to Damascus. Indeed! For Cursed is everyman hung on a tree...that is nailed to a tree...but after his dramtic meeting with the risen Jesus he gloried in the cross and the crucifixtion as it was the crowning moment of victory for the meek.

The Crucifix is where the sins of the people were paid for.

Saint Paul gloried in Christ crucified.

Our risen Lord and Saviour does not look at things past but presses on in the battle the we are all involved in, Jesus prays for us and He is ever before the Father who no man has seen.

Jesus is alive, he is risen and he paid the price writ against us.

The writing of St. Paul clearly show that Satan and those who follow him have been stripped of the power they had. The season, whatever it may be, is approaching, in which we will no longer see through a glass darkly.

The earliest letter/book of the New Testement, First Thessalonins admonishes us not to believe that mere mortals killed Jesus...it shows us that the Rulers of this age...the age we are in...killed the Messiah. It also shows that God wrath is yet to be revealed and that God has forsaken the Jewish nation which came into full fruition round AD 70.

So the new age will come upon the earth in the same way a fig tree or a fruit tree comes into fruition...and Jesus gave us the signs.

blah blah..nuff said about the cross...

The Pentagram is no more evil then drawing a Rose is evil...IT IS the PERSON"S belief that gives it power...the same as eating meat sacrificed to idols...if it defiles your soul then it is you who bear the weight but we all understand that dead idols or lines drawn are just that...lines and idols...

Now...their are indeed Gods...many...but they only use the power of deception as the power they had is gone unless they are allowed by God to destroy.

ie. Pauls thorn in the flesh and Legion given permission by Jesus to go into the swine.

Or remember it was God who hardened the heart of Pharoh...so we have God through our Lord Jesus Christ being the ultimate power now and who will rule the coming age.

Christlike, Its really indescribable. really, yes, This power, In other versions they interpret it as the Holy Spirit, Im looking for the Bible verse in which the English translation actually uses the word "restraint" I thought it was in Revelation.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

Utterly Indescribable is correct...as we continue to search out many things regarding the nature of Yah's perfection.

Quoting: Christlike

Christlike, help me, wheres the verse using the word RESTRAINT specifically? Ill pour another cup of coffee and Ill find it ! Its been calling to me for years to unlock,