Forgive me if this is located somewhere else, but I didn't find it. I would like to know, hole by hole, course by course, what the pars are for each tee or pin placement at each course within a one day drive and back. Nothing too big, right? Anyway, I thought a single thread made available would be helpful for this type of thing.

There is a place on this site to list the Rec par and Pro par plus list a Red, White, Blue and Gold distance for each hole. As you can tell by this listing for JB, the St. Louis courses have not been updated.

With as much time as I spend on this site, you would think that I would have seen this thread before today...I'll fill in the ones I can in St. Louis (and surrounding areas that I know of) More will have to added later, once I can reference the scorecard files I have at home. But this will get you started.

Jokerst (Festus): 9 holesWatson Trails: 9 holesKirchner (Eureka): 9 holesSchroeder: 9 holesBluebird: 9 holesWhite Birch: 18 holes Par 54Quail Ridge: 18 holes Par 54Endicott: 18 holes Par 54 (there may be some holes that could be considered par 4's in their longest position but are also still conceiveable 3s)Creve Coeur: 18 holes Par 69Jefferson Barracks: 18 holes Par 54 (there are more pin positions at this course than any other 2 courses so it is hard to determine a real par. Hole 17s "E of F" placement has got to be a par 4 )West City Park (Festus):Woodland Park (Collinsville): 18 holes Par 54 (the course stays in the same pin placements basically year around, except for the extreme event. They have 3 sets of tee pads though so you can choose the length you wish to play) Rock Spring (Alton):

Pere Marquette Park, Ste Genevieve9 Holes, public par 30 (#3, 7, 9 are public 4s) otherwise, all 3s, and "pro par" 27.SInce I doubt Chuck Kennedy will be playing PMP soon, I'm not that concerned with par numbers. Best score wins the hole. Most fun wins the round. Sometimes.