Comments on: Horton saw a “tell” in Pats’ offensehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/
ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comSat, 10 Dec 2016 01:18:02 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: crisper57http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2007074
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:54:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2007074stevegrogan says:
Sep 19, 2012 7:14 PM
Mike, don’t you ever do any checking before posting something like this? Mike Reiss has already debunked this by looking at the play calling and formations. The Cardinals beat the Pats, but what Horton said was just false.

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He is posting what an NFL coach said. He’s quoting the direct source. That doesn’t require fact-checking.

]]>By: mazblasthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2007030
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:36:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2007030He was only the OC for the only team in NFL history to win 18 straight games. ya ya he lost the big one. I’m aware. he still did something no one else did tho, no matter how you to try to spin it.
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Outside of football fanatics and its own fans, few people remember who lost the Super Bowl. Precisely what has the much-lauded and seemingly very self-impressed McDaniels WON? We saw how well he handled the Denver job.
]]>By: patriots87http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2007014
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:26:06 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2007014What has Josh McDaniels ever won? What has he accomplished, other than pissing off everyone in Denver from waterboy to owner to fans?

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He was only the OC for the only team in NFL history to win 18 straight games. ya ya he lost the big one. I’m aware. he still did something no one else did tho, no matter how you to try to spin it.

]]>By: stevegroganhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006986
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:14:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006986Mike, don’t you ever do any checking before posting something like this? Mike Reiss has already debunked this by looking at the play calling and formations. The Cardinals beat the Pats, but what Horton said was just false.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:30:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006869sj39 says:
Sep 19, 2012 2:13 PM
Brady is easily confused. See you in London pretty boy.
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You just made me laugh out loud at work. All your hating on Pats post goes back to that Rams Super Bowl, eh?

2012 version of your team is just a little less scary than the 1999-2001 versions, I think, but keep yapping.

The 4 NFC games on any AFC teams schedule are the 4 least important games of the year. They have no effect on division or conference tie breakers. All game plans in those games, expecially early in the season, would be as vanilla as possible.
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Wrong. It’s a LOSS. If they lose the division (unlikely) or a seed (quite possible) because of this LOSS, it matters. The last time I checked the rules, a loss works against you when it comes to comparative records. A loss is September winds up counting just as much or little as one in November or December.

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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:09:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006599Has anyone considered the idea that perhaps Horton is playing his own mindgames on the rest of his division? His remarks could have been designed to send the Rams, 49ers, and Seahawks up a blind alley, looking for tells that may not be there.

Oh, that’s right, only Belichick can possibly be that devious.

]]>By: mazblasthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006590
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:06:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006590“JMac is just figuring out how this offense will function going forward”

Why must everyone have a faux cool nickname? What has Josh McDaniels ever won? What has he accomplished, other than pissing off everyone in Denver from waterboy to owner to fans? He strikes me as a classic “I’m young and have attitude, who needs performance?” guy.

pantsfreezone–Well said. People tend to forget (and God forbid ESPN, in its worship of all things Patriots, should remind anyone) how close all those Patriot wins in the Super Bowl were. Had those been blowouts, there wouldn’t have been nearly as much stink about Spygate.

]]>By: pantsfreezonehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006421
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:17:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006421Nobody comments about the hilarious comment by Brady “We hope the game doesn’t come down to a field goal to win the game.”? He won all of his Super Bowls via Vinateri’s leg.

Well the field goals and cheating.

]]>By: bullchargerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006402
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:13:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006402The 4 NFC games on any AFC teams schedule are the 4 least important games of the year. They have no effect on division or conference tie breakers. All game plans in those games, expecially early in the season, would be as vanilla as possible.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:08:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006379atomicpunk says:Sep 19, 2012 3:44 PM

Maybe NE was overlooking AZ since Kolb has been so bad? as for Horton this is his second year as a DC with no training camp the first year, this team is buying into his Steelers experience and they do have quite a few 1st round picks on defense. Ray Horton will be a head coach next year he interviewed last year and wowed a few teams with his football smarts.

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I agree that they overlooked AZ. Even just that it was a trap game with Baltimore coming up. I think they figured they could win it with a vanilla game plan so they didn’t give anything away to Baltimore and it went sideways.

]]>By: grogansheroeshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006349
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:59:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006349McD cost them the Super bowl in 2007 with his arrogance and failure to adjust to the Giants D. His arrogance cost him a head coaching job. I can’t believe the Pats brought him back. The guy thinks he is smarter than everyone. All that said, Arizona played a great game.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:58:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006343dbones750 says:
Sep 19, 2012 2:21 PM
Sucks for the 9ers, Seahawks, and Rams that Horton heard a who.
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Why would the niners be scared of Pats. They’ve beaten two similar teams.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:55:54 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006332sj39 says:Sep 19, 2012 2:13 PM

Brady is easily confused. See you in London pretty boy.

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Yep… 125-36 win-loss record…. very easily confused.

]]>By: atomicpunkhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006300
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:44:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006300Maybe NE was overlooking AZ since Kolb has been so bad? as for Horton this is his second year as a DC with no training camp the first year, this team is buying into his Steelers experience and they do have quite a few 1st round picks on defense. Ray Horton will be a head coach next year he interviewed last year and wowed a few teams with his football smarts.
]]>By: rajbaishttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006265
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:26:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006265Fitzgerald made an inaccurate statement about Belichick. It’s not just that Bill Walsh was a better coach than Belichick is and never lost any Super Bowls; it’s also because he brought back Josh McDaniels.

Who was likely a big part of the game plans for the Pats’ subpar offense?

Brady was in the shotgun 39 times on Sunday (including penalties and two-point conversion). The Patriots ran it 11 times, and threw 28 times on those snaps. Thus that tendency is correct, but is not an absolute.

Meanwhile, Brady was under center 43 times in the game (including penalties), and the Patriots ran it just 17 times on those plays. So they actually passed the ball more often than they ran it, when Brady was under center.

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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:13:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006235madpunter88 says:
Sep 19, 2012 2:21 PM
That doesn’t seem like a tell so much as simple logic. It’s like saying, “We knew they were going to pass whenever they lined up in a four wide receiver set with an empty backfield.”

That gives them 10 on the field…hard to win.

]]>By: CKLhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006215
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:06:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006215Sigh..this gives me more ammo for my dislike of Josh McD.
When they had Kevin Faulk it was not a given what they would do out of shotgun. He made a living on shotgun runs and he was a great pass receiver. BUT…when Josh was there before and Maroney was in the backfield, IIRC it was almost always a run. I know Dan Henning always said if you don’t have any tendencies you aren’t very good, but there comes a point of diminishing returns. Maybe that was what was behind using Woodhead more later on. He can do both as well. Who knows? All I know is my hat is off to the Cards for a very very well executed defensive plan against my team.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:04:09 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006205Everyone relax. This is a meaningless game for the Pats. They have bigger fish to fry in their division and AFC rivals, who will more determine their playoff outlook. Why give them their best pages from their playbook now? If anyone here thinks that Belichick and Brady don’t know what they are doing long term in the season, they are delusional.

The reason AZ won, and teams will beat the Pats has not changed over the years. YOU HIT BRADY. You HIT him early and often.

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Everything you said was spot on. However your last sentence is the same for every other QB in the NFL.

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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:55:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006185Wow! If you hit the QB early and often you have a chance to win?

Revoloutionary!

]]>By: patsfanforlifehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/19/horton-saw-a-tell-in-pats-offense/#comment-2006160
Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:50:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006160Horton doesn’t have a clue. Well, his defense did do a pretty good job against the Patriots. But his “tell” doesn’t hold up. As reported by Mike Reiss on ESPN Boston, Brady was in shotgun for 39 snaps and they ran 11 and passed 28 times. He was under center for 43 snaps and only 11 of those were run plays.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:50:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006158I love articles like this… reminds me of 2007… when everyone was looking for the blueprint to beat the Pats…

This is a very “young” team… they have some learning to do… and will make mistakes… JMac is just figuring out how this offense will function going forward…

Yeah he’s also one of the best quarterbacks to ever play but if calling him a pretty boy makes you feel better about it go right ahead tough guy.

The Cardinals deserve credit for this win obviously they outplayed the Patriots. That being said I still can’t help but wonder how this game would have went had Hernandez not gone down. He was most likely the focal point of the game-plan, losing him forced them to adjust on the fly which they didn’t do well enough.

Even if Belichick hears about this he isn’t going to care. The Patriots focus is on the Ravens now they won’t be seeing the Cardinals again until 2016. A win against the Ravens is far more important than beating a non-conference opponent.

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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:41:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006130I’ve heard a lot of people call Josh McDaniels a “genius” offensive coordinator. And I could respect that since the Patriots’ offense in the 2007 was very impressive.

However, if this “tell” thing is true, and if rumors about him “sidelining” Wes Welker are true, then McDaniels’ reputation needs to take a serious hit.

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Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:39:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1288213#comment-2006123Cards won Ugly.
Kolb was 15-27 (55%) for 140 yards, 1 TD: and AZ had 105 rushing yards with one TD.
Funny that Kolb “figures it out” against us. Haven’t had that feeling in a LONG time where a floundering QB who’s treading water “figures it out” enough to actually win the game. Even though I’m not sure he figured out much…
Ultimately, they blew it by running a toss and then fumbling away their win. Only to have Gostkowski pull a Cundiff.

Cards earned that W, and it would have been a hollow win for NE had they pulled it out.
The 3 major missed passes from Lloyd Welker and Gronk sealed our fate.