I'm well aware that this isn't the past, but I don't think that means as a fan I should "move on". I still love the characters, and look forward to new projects, so why should I avoid something in the future if I still enjoy them? I didn't say I hated this movie. I liked it even better than I initially thought I was going to when I first heard they were making a new film, because I DID think it was going to be another MFS, and didn't have high hopes for it. I LIKED IT. A LOT, but just because I didn't LOVE it doesn't mean I should stop being a fan, does it? I mean, I'm glad people enjoyed the film and it did as well as it did, and an Oscar win for Best song is nothing to sneeze at.

But I don't understand that because I feel differently I should be told to avoid future projects. There's been several Henson projects I've enjoyed since Jim passed away, so my opinion (and that's exactly what it is) isn't solely due to the absence of Jim. I thought Muppet Xmas Carol, MTI, Bear in the Big Blue House, etc. were all great projects. I just felt after the build up "The Muppets" had it fell a little flat, that's all.

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I never said you had to ban yourself as a fan forever. All I meant was if you think The Muppets aren't at their best now then in some peoples eyes I guess they never will be. If you didn't love the movie that's fine. I think I already stated if you didn't love it, or heck even hated it that was also fine. Because it's kind of boring if we all have the same views all the time on things. But all I'm saying is is god knows the 12 years leading up to this movie has been less then good to the Muppets. Heck I dumped them for 12 years because I felt they fell flat on their face.

I just know for me after seeing this film I finally felt like the Muppets could move on without Jim Henson.

I never said you had to ban yourself as a fan forever. All I meant was if you think The Muppets aren't at their best now then in some peoples eyes I guess they never will be. If you didn't love the movie that's fine. I think I already stated if you didn't love it, or heck even hated it that was also fine. Because it's kind of boring if we all have the same views all the time on things. But all I'm saying is is god knows the 12 years leading up to this movie has been less then good to the Muppets. Heck I dumped them for 12 years because I felt they fell flat on their face.

I just know for me after seeing this film I finally felt like the Muppets could move on without Jim Henson.

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It was definitely a positive step in the right direction. I agree there have been some less than stellar attempts made in the past several years, but that's my point: I still stuck it out to see what they were going to do next because I still had faith in them and didnt' want to give up on Kermit and the gang. I just felt with the way this movie was hyped up, I expected a bit more

It was definitely a positive step in the right direction. I agree there have been some less than stellar attempts made in the past several years, but that's my point: I still stuck it out to see what they were going to do next because I still had faith in them and didnt' want to give up on Kermit and the gang. I just felt with the way this movie was hyped up, I expected a bit more

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Hopefully the next movie you will enjoy. As it's suppose to be the pure Muppet fun we've all come to love. I didn't mean to step on your toes heck I wasn't even trying to change your mind. I was just making facts as to why things with this reboot had to go the way it did.

I mean I'll be honest like I said when Jim Henson past away and MCC and MTI came out I left them. I was a snob in a way I thought well if Jim isn't around anymore why would I wanna have anything to do with The Muppets? And the stuff that was out leading up to this movie only gave me more resolve I didn't want anything to do with The Muppets. So you've been a more loyal fan then I have been. I guess I just take this movie personally because it brought me back as a fan. Probably more so then when I was a kid.

I just felt like The Muppets can now really do good quality things without Jim. Trust me Jim will always be Kermit to me no questions about that however I think Kermit and the gang are finally doing okay.

I have to say I do agree with Mr. Oz here, I mean the entire new Muppets movie felt like Cliche city with a few funny moments in between it and I mean a few.

So yeah, I can see where Oz is coming from as the Muppets, while are are icons for families everywhere, have lost a bit of its edge over the last few years.

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Or we could have them bouncing around, lobotomized like in MFS. or not even playing themselves like MTI and MCC.

Seriously... this is the movie where they lost their edge? I don't get that at all. It's a far better path than the "Use Kermit sparingly, and don't let him emote or do anything interesting" path they were on until VMX.

Or we could have them bouncing around, lobotomized like in MFS. or not even playing themselves like MTI and MCC.

Seriously... this is the movie where they lost their edge? I don't get that at all. It's a far better path than the "Use Kermit sparingly, and don't let him emote or do anything interesting" path they were on until VMX.

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

Or better yet have Kermit just not even care about his friends or even acknowledge Piggy's existance like in MFS.

MFS was Gonzo's movie and the new character's movie. Other than that, the old characters seemed there for Brand Recognition.

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Still even if it was Gonzo's movie there was just no Muppet spirit there at all. It didn't even have anything to do that it was Gonzo's movie and Kermit wasn't the star because I love Gonzo but it was just so poorly done that it failed to put out what could've been a really great movie.

I sure am glad other people are FINALLY realizing that Disney HASN'T been handling the Muppets in the greatest of ways, or even to their fullest potential... they just wanted to own the Muppets for the sake of owning them, really nothing more... again, HOW many projects, under Disney's name, were we supposed to get, only to end up being shelved? A new series that was supposed to be a Muppety version of The Office (ugh), and a Halloween special leap to mind, and I know there's others.

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As Oscar the Grouch would say, "Ding-Dong! You're wrong!"

Disney has been doing a great job with the Muppets--they're in a MUCH better place than they were a few years ago.

But I disagree that if they did something different it would've been a flop. I think if they just let the Muppets be the Muppets, it would've been successful. And I'm sorry I don't think the characters are what they used to be.

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Sorry, but it is true that anything else would've bombed. It's the truth and it's a reality that needs to be faced.

Plus, they so totally allowed the Muppets to be the Muppets in this film and the characters were very much in-character!

Disney has been doing a great job with the Muppets--they're in a MUCH better place than they were a few years ago.

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Umm...I wouldn't entirely say that's true. Disney really didn't care about the Muppets until AFTER the movie was released and made the money that it did. It's JASON IMO that's carried the Muppets to a much better place NOT DISNEY. Disney only cares now because of the profit plain and simple.

Umm...I wouldn't entirely say that's true. Disney really didn't care about the Muppets until AFTER the movie was released and made the money that it did. It's JASON IMO that's carried the Muppets to a much better place NOT DISNEY. Disney only cares now because of the profit plain and simple.

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Well, I will give you the fact that Disney wasn't sure about to how to handle them properly when the first acquired the franchise in the mid-2000's. However, things did start getting better for the Muppets as early as 2008, when they started producing those very fun and downright Muppety online videos, among other things (many of which wasn't, and still isn't, possible under the Henson Company's ownership), all of which lead up to the new film and got people interested in going out to the theaters to see it.

Now that the film was a success, at least we can all agree that the Muppets are back on top of the world again, where they should be.

Still they weren't shining like they are now. Like someone said Disney just bought them so they could say they owned them and then just kinda sat them on a shelf. And occasionally let them out for air. I don't give Disney credit for bringing them back to the top is all I'm saying. It was all Jason Segal.

Disney has been doing a great job with the Muppets--they're in a MUCH better place than they were a few years ago.

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If Disney's doing such a great job with the Muppets, how come it's been like 4 years since Season 3 of the Muppet Show came out and we haven't gotten the last two seasons on DVD? If Disney was doing such a great job, they would've RAN with the opportunity when the new film came out to get the rest of the show out on DVD.

Hopefully the next movie you will enjoy. As it's suppose to be the pure Muppet fun we've all come to love. I didn't mean to step on your toes heck I wasn't even trying to change your mind. I was just making facts as to why things with this reboot had to go the way it did.

I mean I'll be honest like I said when Jim Henson past away and MCC and MTI came out I left them. I was a snob in a way I thought well if Jim isn't around anymore why would I wanna have anything to do with The Muppets? And the stuff that was out leading up to this movie only gave me more resolve I didn't want anything to do with The Muppets. So you've been a more loyal fan then I have been. I guess I just take this movie personally because it brought me back as a fan. Probably more so then when I was a kid.

I just felt like The Muppets can now really do good quality things without Jim. Trust me Jim will always be Kermit to me no questions about that however I think Kermit and the gang are finally doing okay.

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I had a couple of Muppet slumps over the years, the worst being in my teens when I foolishly decided to toss some of my Muppet collectibles away, and also during the time of Muppets Tonight!/MFS etc. again, still following and watching the shows and movies, but not really being "into" it.