not accepting replies unless people have read everything I've written in this thread.

And what makes you assume that people haven't read your replies

each and every one of your replies in each and every one of your topics is the same thing. Hyper radical sensitivity to non-issues, and claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist/racist/classist/hater/villain/chauvinist/ethnist/theist/etc.

Complimenting someone on their appearance is not sexist. Ji equally compliments men on their appearance, Gail Nozzywix in Durotar heavily lays the compliments on men while calling female PCs tramps and verbally abusing them. The Grom'gol Zeppelin Goblin is HEAVILY sexual, yet nobody calls out those characters.

Your arguements are the most hateful things possible, they all break down to people deserve special consideration and treatment because they are not part of the majority. You know what that is? By definiton, you are the misogynist by saying that complimenting males is OK but complimenting females is not you are actively working against equality.

---------- Post added 2012-04-12 at 09:43 AM ----------

Originally Posted by AppleCider

I've read everything! I think you're fighting the good fight. Thank you for being so cool.

This really wasn't about me being a prude, or some feminist (although I am, deal with it), it was that it was a weird, lazy line from someone who thought it was complimentary and I wanted it changed. It did. It now reads better, the character stays mostly intact and people aren't feeling gross. I guess that makes me a terrible person.

I take it you have a problem with Gail Nozzywix and Snurk Bucksquick as well then, where are your petitions to get their lines changed?

Theron/Bloodwatcher 2013!

Originally Posted by Alsompr

Teasing, misdirection. It's the opposite of a spoiler. People expect one thing? BAM! Another thing happens.

And all racism is an equal problem. Infact, crabmousse ends up supporting racism by perpetuating the "superiority" of white males versus others. The best way to end racism nowadays is to ignore race, said someone who WASN'T a white male. What a world.

I agree 100% and for the millionth time I am happy to admit I am prejudiced because I believe in positive discrimination as a means to an end. I really do agree that it would be amazing if we could all just ignore race and get on together. however I am being pragmatic: we won't, so there has to be another way to afford these changes. it's all well and good sitting here thinking 'oh it would be great if we didn't see colour and everyone got the same opportunity' but it doesn't do anything. if I hadn't been here, this thread would be a bunch of people talking about how oversensitive feminists are and how they should chill out and what does that attitude do? jack shit, we go back to an unbalanced world of harassment and rape and no opportunity. I believe in equality, but I believe in getting there the dirty way. i have no qualms about admitting that so you're not insulting me by saying it.

I'm not aware of every NPC in Azeroth, but thank you for bringing potentially problematic stuff to my attention - however, I'm only one lady! If stuff really bothers you (which I doubt it does, you're just doing this to sock around the idea that I'm incapable of making one good point because I don't address every single one), I'd suggest you making a stink about it too!

each and every one of your replies in each and every one of your topics is the same thing. Hyper radical sensitivity to non-issues, and claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist/racist/classist/hater/villain/chauvinist/ethnist/theist/etc.
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haven't said any of that, do you see the irony in exaggerating my attitude in a hyper radical way?

While I'm personally indifferent about the whole thing (it doesn't rub me either way that they changed the line), I have to say that Aislinana (Applecider on here, I assume?) in the official thread made a very coherent and compelling argument. It had nothing to do with being offended as far as I can see, but with the comment looking out of place and out of character. Which I agree with. Those are my thoughts, anyway.

PvE:er to the bone. Plays a druid. Also plays DotA and a whole bunch of other stuff. Listens to mostly everything.

"We actually contracted out the creation of the equally-epic-yet-non-loot-dropping-non-boss mobs in Throne of Thunder to a giant snail. I think he did a pretty good job."

I've read everything! I think you're fighting the good fight. Thank you for being so cool.

This really wasn't about me being a prude, or some feminist (although I am, deal with it), it was that it was a weird, lazy line from someone who thought it was complimentary and I wanted it changed. It did. It now reads better, the character stays mostly intact and people aren't feeling gross. I guess that makes me a terrible person.

What makes you a terrible person is how you completely and unfairly attributed your own derogatory meanings to completely innocent dialogue because you saw an opportunity to play the role of self-aggrandizing victim. The fact that people like you can force changes in speech because you personally don't like it makes ME feel gross.

No one was being hurt by Ji's lines. But you WANTED a crusade and so you invented one. Congrats, job well done. You disgust me.

I'm not aware of every NPC in Azeroth, but thank you for bringing potentially problematic stuff to my attention - however, I'm only one lady! If stuff really bothers you (which I doubt it does, you're just doing this to sock around the idea that I'm incapable of making one good point because I don't address every single one), I'd suggest you making a stink about it too!

I also don't play Horde a ton so...

You're obviously trolling, so it won't matter to bring it up, but what do you say to the number of ordinary intelligent women that don't find these things "gross" and infact find it either funny or appealing when someone compliments them on their appearance? Regardless of sex. I don't even know why I'm still here, this thread has devolved so much it isn't funny.

we go back to an unbalanced world of harassment and rape and no opportunity

So it's only harrasment if a female is being complimented on her appearance? And that you think only women get raped is offensive to the infinite degree. Our justice system has made it such that only women can get raped because the man is blown off. In the state of California if a drunk man has sex with a drunk women, regardless of who initiated, and the woman regrets it the next day she can call rape and the man will be fucked by it. If a drunk guy has sex with a sober girl she can call rape the next and the man will STILL be fucked, even though under reverse conditions the drunk person is regarded as unable to consent.
No opportunity? Someone should let Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hilary Clinton, Meg Whitman, Tzipi Livni, and others that they need to leave congress/Ebay/the Knesset because they don't have the opportunity to be there.

Theron/Bloodwatcher 2013!

Originally Posted by Alsompr

Teasing, misdirection. It's the opposite of a spoiler. People expect one thing? BAM! Another thing happens.

While I don't think crabmousse actually deserves anymore attention, I can't help but agree.
And all racism is an equal problem. Infact, crabmousse ends up supporting racism by perpetuating the "superiority" of white males versus others. The best way to end racism nowadays is to ignore race, said someone who WASN'T a white male. What a world.

I agree. I just hope Crab takes something away from my post/link.
Just keep pushing the message of mutual respect for individual rights, and empathy for your fellow humans. Those who assume absolute privilege are just as those who are hateful towards others for things they can't control

What makes you a terrible person is how you completely and unfairly attributed your own derogatory meanings to completely innocent dialogue because you saw an opportunity to play the role of self-aggrandizing victim. The fact that people like you can force changes in speech because you personally don't like it makes ME feel gross.

No one was being hurt by Ji's lines. But you WANTED a crusade and so you invented one. Congrats, job well done. You disgust me.

Pretty much all that needs to be said, and something I pretty much said earlier. You wanted to be offended, you found something that fitted that bill and you went off on your little crusade which had an entertaining character relegated to the rank of forgettable. I can only hope you're happy with your efforts because in having made the Pandaren starting area a whole lot more bland, I doubt many others are.

"A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is 'merely relative,' is asking you not to believe him. So don't." - Roger Scruton

Originally Posted by Wells

I see no point in compelling integration. If you can't make your society sufficiently enticing to integrate willingly, then perhaps its not so superior.

I agree 100% and for the millionth time I am happy to admit I am prejudiced because I believe in positive discrimination as a means to an end. I really do agree that it would be amazing if we could all just ignore race and get on together. however I am being pragmatic: we won't, so there has to be another way to afford these changes. it's all well and good sitting here thinking 'oh it would be great if we didn't see colour and everyone got the same opportunity' but it doesn't do anything. if I hadn't been here, this thread would be a bunch of people talking about how oversensitive feminists are and how they should chill out and what does that attitude do? jack shit, we go back to an unbalanced world of harassment and rape and no opportunity. I believe in equality, but I believe in getting there the dirty way. i have no qualms about admitting that so you're not insulting me by saying it.

And apparently I was the one posting a wall of text earlier. Two wrongs don't make a right. Blind discrimination for "discrimination" does not make right. Get over yourself.

I've read everything! I think you're fighting the good fight. Thank you for being so cool.

This really wasn't about me being a prude, or some feminist (although I am, deal with it), it was that it was a weird, lazy line from someone who thought it was complimentary and I wanted it changed. It did. It now reads better, the character stays mostly intact and people aren't feeling gross. I guess that makes me a terrible person.

You're confounding developers, characters, and players. Should the character Don Draper be banned from television ? Should we pretend that era of American history didn't happen ?

Looking good and being complemented about your looks is a sin nowadays, if you're a woman at least.

If feminists want to so badly get their freak on by criticizing fantasy for sexism then they'd better point their arrows elsewhere:"Man is naturally free and woman is naturally slave. The female slave, in her excitement and beauty, is an embodiment of sensuality, love, and service." - John Norman. (One out of 30 of his fantasy novels, p. 260)

Doesn't deserve as much attention as "Hey gorgeous" in a video game ofcourse.

I agree 100% and for the millionth time I am happy to admit I am prejudiced because I believe in positive discrimination as a means to an end. I really do agree that it would be amazing if we could all just ignore race and get on together. however I am being pragmatic: we won't, so there has to be another way to afford these changes. it's all well and good sitting here thinking 'oh it would be great if we didn't see colour and everyone got the same opportunity' but it doesn't do anything. if I hadn't been here, this thread would be a bunch of people talking about how oversensitive feminists are and how they should chill out and what does that attitude do? jack shit, we go back to an unbalanced world of harassment and rape and no opportunity. I believe in equality, but I believe in getting there the dirty way. i have no qualms about admitting that so you're not insulting me by saying it.

"if I hadn't been here, this thread would be a bunch of people talking about how oversensitive feminists are and how they should chill out and what does that attitude do? jack shit, we go back to an unbalanced world of harassment and rape and no opportunity."

Really? Well THANK YOU for saving all women from rape and no opportunity by being here preventing us from talking about how oversensitive feminists are. Except that we're here stating that truth ANYWAYS. Well at least you're single handedly preventing rapes, right? ROFL

According to your warped logic we should go around lynching up white men since that would be a good way to make up for the lynchings that happened to blacks 100 years ago. Laughable.