Everyone's fire but frost does more for me

All I see is fire mages, fire fire fire. The other 2 raid grps have mages in my guild both fire. Top 100 parses all fire. Top 100 mages mostly fire.

Everytime I go fire my dps is worse than my frost dps. I just reforged all to fire, not shown atm in battle.net it hasn't updated.

I am doing the rotation right however someone says I should be getting 30k/tick combustions and im getting NOWHERE near that. 14-17K at best. I don't know what else to do. I tested on gara'jal in LFR and literally stood there and dps'd. Fire was 66.5k and frost was 71.5k. I don't know what I could possibly be doing wrong. I know the rotation inside out, my reforges are correct..

Someone please help me lol.

EDIT: May I add the 14-17k combustions are on a dummy with only mage buffs.

well as far as frost goes just did sha and frost mage pulled over 100k damage did a dungeon last night and a frostie pulled 120k average with 150k on first boss

You're a fine example of how gamer communities have become infested with endlessly whining and bitching, arrogant, opinionated, unreasonable, all the way immature, completely delusional, tendentially psychotic, insulting individuals one really doesn't want to be linked with. And playing with you guys is certainly no fun at all. I don't know where this kind of folks spawns from. Must be a nest somewhere ...

Im just going to stay frost, imo frost is better just due to how fire has a much higher rng factor.

Why are all the top parses like all fire? It's annoying.

I also have a question regarding frost..Should I stack all haste and use frozen armor or throw in some crit? Because I find I do better with stacking haste and using molten armor.

To your first question, that is because Fire when favored by the RNG gods can put outrageous numbers. So the parses show mages that not only are good, but had good rng too.

To your second question, I read too that going for crit soft cap can be better for Frost. This is not reflected on sims though, and it is anecdotal, but intuitively it feels it could be true. It may however be on a case by case depending on your gear and playstyle. I would recommend trying both and seeing for yourself.

To your first question, that is because Fire when favored by the RNG gods can put outrageous numbers. So the parses show mages that not only are good, but had good rng too.

To your second question, I read too that going for crit soft cap can be better for Frost. This is not reflected on sims though, and it is anecdotal, but intuitively it feels it could be true. It may however be on a case by case depending on your gear and playstyle. I would recommend trying both and seeing for yourself.

Surprisingly I find that a balance of the two mixes very well. My haste in raid is like 16-17% using molten armor. And my crit is nearing 23%. I feel like I am doing more with the balance of it.

One thing is fire has the potential to do more, because of rng or w/e. However fire also has the potential to do less when you need it the most. That 1% wipe, oops fire mage had bad rng. I don't think a few 100 dps loss if that's what it is really matters when it comes to being consistent.

Did it ever occurred to you that you are not doing everything perfect in your rotation as you may think?
don't listen to all dumb ppl bragging with their 100k dps frost on idk what boss or random dungeon dps with the 15% buff and all other kind of sh*t.
just take 25 heroic kills and you can see plain and simple that frost is behind fire on every single fight , and by a lot.
tip: for a good dps attempt you need to get a nice burst at the start, proc your combustion when you have all your other procs (jade spirit, trinkets and co.) , on average you should get a 40k normal tics combustion if you time at least 2 pyros , on lucky you can get 60k or higher.

That 1% wipe, oops fire mage had bad rng. I don't think a few 100 dps loss if that's what it is really matters when it comes to being consistent.

the difference is way bigger than a few 100dps. and what is the rng everyone is talking about? even if you get less crits than normal right before a combustion. youll lose like 5k dps and still be 10-15kdps ahead of frost.
imo frost got more rng because of the stupid ffb procs.

the difference is way bigger than a few 100dps. and what is the rng everyone is talking about? even if you get less crits than normal right before a combustion. youll lose like 5k dps and still be 10-15kdps ahead of frost.
imo frost got more rng because of the stupid ffb procs.

What?! 10-15k dps?! You are crazy! The difference between frost and fire is SO little infact I have BEATEN EVERY FIRE MAGE I have gone against as frost AND some have had better gear! And I know some of them we're good players. You are crazy.

The sims all show frost ahead, so if fire is ahead it is by very little. And ffb procs aren't rng related when you use frost bomb..They're 100% at the end. VERY predictable. You aren't playing frost correctly.

Damn casuals and their vending machines. Back in my day, We had to go all the way from Orgrimmar to Desolace to pick up chips from the store. we had to do an extensive attunement quest to get into the store and we had to assemble 39 other people to fight the many other trash mobs, i mean trash food, to get to the chip isle. Oh and most of us couldn't even afford our epic car mount to drive there, we had to settle for our 60% bike mounts.

How is your main damage buff varying from 0 to 100k depending on very little that you have any direct control of whatsoever, not rng?

FFB procs are 100% predictable as others have said.

You wanna bring up procs? How about your inferno blast getting munched 0.01 seconds before your fb finishes casting and you blow it. same with your combustion. your ignite gets munched (yes, this still happens) and you blow your combustion at a 0 because you see 60k until 0.01 sec before your fb finishes (as your spamming combust)...

bottom line, if you want consistency and procs that actually work mechanically and don't frustrate the hell out of you (and twice as many buttons/much more fun rotation), go frost.