Terrible, absolutely awful. Guess I’ll hang on to my PS3. I’ve too many games to let them all go by the wayside on the count of the PS4.

Haseyo

“Sony’s PlayStation 4 is in a similar situation—the device will not be backward compatible with PlayStation 3 games.”

GODDUKEMONEXA

but have GAIKAI you cann play all ps1 ps2 and ps3 titles

TheExile285

Let’s not say “All” yet.

Sony said “all” PSP games would be on PSN after PSPgo, Sony said “All” PS3 games would support Vita remote play, etc, etc

D H

To be fair, Sony didn’t really have reason to follow through on these considering the poor reception the PSPgo (warranted) and Vita (not-warranted) have gotten.

TheExile285

So basically what you are saying is that if PS4 doesn’t sell well right away, its OK for them to forget about the stuff they promised their fans.

Yeah, no.

dragoon_slayer12

But in my (and other’s) defenses, the games they released were really shitty with VERY few exceptions, and some of the new releases (like birth by sleep) didn’t get a digital release either. So yeah, shame on them on the psp go support. As for vita remote play, that’s completely their fault. I would love to play the ME series, any RPG, and psn downloads on my vita. Yeah, both of these things are more on the developer/publishers choice/fault, but Sony should have encouraged it more or made it a mandatory thing (like all vita games MUST have digital, while retail is optional)

I never understand this… THERES NO REASON TO GET RID OF OLD CONSOLES. Unless, you want to. But just because u have a new one doesnt mean you HAVE to get rid of the old one.

I still have my PS2 and N64. i didn’t think “well got a ps3 so screw the ps2″ or “gots a gamecube screw N64|

puchinri

Even though I also hold on to my old consoles and never want to get rid of them, it can be tedious to have so many consoles in one entertainment area and to have so many cords.

While I may hold on to my old consoles, backwards compatibility is really nice. (It also means that when I take my console with me over a friend’s house, we have two generations of games to play through in one console instead of bringing two separate ones.)

noctis_nox

It’s great & “Convenient” feature to have but it is not a necessity if you are planning to buy New gen consoles.
You buy new-gen console to play “New gen games” not to play old games.

puchinri

Of course, haha. Which is why I said it’s nice, but I never said it’s required or a deal-breaker. Although someone else also made the good point of having BC is nice for those early months in a game’s launch when there aren’t as many titles and you can still play through your older games.

I just wanted to put more perspective on the side that really benefits from BC.

topostarlight

I’ve kept all my old systems but my XBOX360 has gotten the ROD yet again and have already brought it in a few times for repairs. I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s had 360′s that have died and was hoping the next gen system could play their 360 games..

http://www.facebook.com/baita.ruben Ruben Baita

Nice. So, no used games, no 360 games. Will I even be able to play or do I just watch tv with it?

TheExile285

Pretty sure the no used games thing was never confirmed

malek86

They said you will have to pay a fee to transfer games to your account.

But now MS is doing damage control and saying they’ll have more details later, so who knows.

TheExile285

Oh damn, that sounds awful.

Anime10121

Im sure they’ve probably worked out a deal with retailers that gives them re-sell codes for any bought games, but the trouble lies in the future, when there is no longer support for this process and you either have to buy brand new games for the One, or else you wont have anything to play.

ronin4life

“no used games”? Was this confirmed?

Lightthrower

Yes it is confirmed and it is also the reason why EA removed their online passes since there won’t be used games anymore.

Now wait, does this mean it- and the PS4, too- can’t play current-gen games downloaded from their online service as well, or does this apply to only disc based games?

sandra10

Downloaded games as well; should include PS3 PSN games like Journey and XBLA games too.

Lexaus_the_Alchemist

D8

ronin4life

Yep. So those unfailable account system is completely worthless.

Despite having no account system, wiiu could play all your dld wii games. I find this… ironic, actually.

sandra10

The account system is not magic, it doesn’t change what a system can or cannot do. So, regardless of whether Nintendo implemented an account system or not, the WiiU would have always played downloadable Wii games because it is backwards compatible with the Wii.

And an account system is soooo far from being worthless especially if you own multiple versions of the same console or you need a replacement console.

ronin4life

And an account system is coming. What I am reffering to is the argument that was going on for years about how game downloads would be handled by next gen: Most people thoughtthe account systems of ms and sony would supporttheir purchases and the lack of one from Nintendo would not. Obviously, that isn’t the case.

sandra10

It will support their purchases to a point. Once they get their PS1 and PS2 emulators running on the PS4, purchases of classics will carry over. But backwards compatibility is the issue, not account systems.

And even if you were referring to the argument, it still in no way makes account systems useless.

ronin4life

Well, I meant for this specific purpouse .

mirumu

Lots of people seem to be forgetting this, but Sony claim the PS4 can stream PS1, PS2 and PS3 games via their Gaikai service. Exactly how well this works, or if it costs anything, we just don’t know, but if you have a decent internet connection it sounds like it should be viable.

dragoon_slayer12

between this and the graphics, i’m leaning to leave microsoft behind this generation. i only bought a 360 for Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, and Dead Rising. so if the 13 unannounced exclusives don’t intrigue me, im out. only way they can guarantee me 10 interesting titles i want, or Lost Odyssey 2. i didn’t even own a regular xbox cuz Ninja Gaiden and Fable: Lost Chapter wasn’t worth the console alone (for me anyways).

now im REALLY curious as to what their A game is at e3

Kenny Loh

In this generation, no more backward…

Herok♞

Wiiu says hi, ironicly the one people like to bash has the most right decisions so far.

mirumu

Keep in mind Sony say the PS4 will stream PS1/2&3 games. Of course how well that works is anyone’s guess right now.

I do wish the Wii U’s backwards compatibility was better. The display looks awful, I can only assume they’re re-digitising the Wii’s component signal. Not being able to use the Wii U controllers for Wii games is a pain too.

But yeah…it’s better than no backwards compatibility at all.

Herok♞

Right like I have a ton of PS1-3 games but if streaming makes me pay again like PS1 classics then I don’t like the idea of it.

mirumu

I totally agree. The ball is in Sony’s court here. So far the decisions they’ve made with the PS4 have been very smart, but if they try to make us pay again for PSN titles people will get annoyed very quickly.

Hinataharem

LOL what? PS3 could play PS1 games. Only thing it didn’t have was PS2 (later models). You didn’t have to buy them again, if you had them. Unlike the Wii with N64

Herok♞

I was speaking more in the terms of PS2 classics and some PS1 games you have to pay again if you want them on the go.

Hinataharem

I see, that’s what you meant. My mistake.

TheExile285

Is anyone really surprised?

shaolinsword

Will they start doing the same as Sony and charge me to play games I already own?

I’m getting more and more disillusioned with gaming recently

TheExile285

What are you talking about? Keep your current gen system. Problem solved.

Lightthrower

Can’t, 360 fail all the time, you’d be lucky to still have it functioning by 2020.

ronin4life

Light thrower is right: 360s always break… at lest pre slim. It is just a matter of time…

shaolinsword

I don’t want to keep my current gen console

TheExile285

Why? To sell it for crumbs to pay for a system you may not even like as much?

shaolinsword

I wouldn’t sell it to pay for a new system but I do see your point. I’ll lose over £400 when I finally sell my PS3

My original comment wasn’t meant to be as bitchy as it looks but I don’t see the point of keeping something I will only use every now and then

ShawnOtakuSomething

I had a feeling, and I’m not surprised. -_-

KuchikiSentou

My takeaways from the conference. Kinect 2.0 is amazing; has night vision. The non-gaming stuff was way more impressive on the whole. Like the TV and NFL partnerships et cetera. It will be an interesting Q4 this year.

EA’s exclusive announcements are neutral at best. Their games always did better on Sony platforms, so it levels the playing field at most. They have more coming and we’ll see how that holds up.

From what I’ve surmised from the announcements., the Xbox One, in Microsoft tradition, specifically geared towards the North American market. And while I expect it to dominate said market, it is unlikely to carry this around the world. I think Sony’s message was more universal. Good bloody show.

This generation is going to be exciting. You may not even need to play the games; just the politics and the discussion is electrifying.

https://twitter.com/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Project 2501

On top of a bunch of other recent developments, this seems to indicate to me that EA is falling on some serious hard times.

Also, a big push in Microsoft’s favor in the NA/EU market last gen was the mega-popularity of the Halo franchise, which regardless of what 343 Industries would like to pretend does not have anywhere near the same brand power today as it did in the mid-2000s (since it’s been succeeded by the platform-neutral Call of Duty as the console shooter franchise of choice). Unless I’m mistaken, the PS3 has also managed (eventually) to catch up, or at least come close to the 360′s popularity in the Western markets over the last few years. And of course, the XB1 doesn’t have the year’s head-start on its competition that the 360 did. Even without all the aspects of the hardware that may turn off potential consumers, Microsoft is not entering into this generation with the same edge that it did the last one, which is undoubtedly why it’s going out of its way to buy up all the exclusives it can.

And I dunno about you, but right now the prospects for the next generation – at least in regards to consoles – looks pretty grim. The PS4 and XB1 will be tech powerhouses, but none of the games announced for either of them so far look particularly innovative – just better-looking iterations of current-gen games – and of course they both come with their own corporate BS features and frustrations (social media overload, F2P mania, lack of backwards compatibility, no used games, etc.). Meanwhile, just as the development costs of current-gen hardware are starting to reach a point where developers can put out games without needing them to be mega-blockbusters to turn a profit, they’re going to spring higher once again and just continue to perpetuate the increasingly streamlined, risk-averse environment that has defined the industry over the past generation, pushing smaller or more creative developers onto digital platforms and/or PC. Meanwhile, Nintendo is once again doing something totally different from the competition, except this time the Wii U has failed to catch on like the Wii did, and just like every Nintendo home console since the N64 it looks like it’ll be having a pretty thin library of non-first-party games.

Frankly, the only next-gen console right now with a really exciting future is the 3DS, which after a slow start has finally come into its own over the past year or so and only looks to be getting better, in large part thanks to Japan’s turn to handhelds in place of consoles (while the West is starting to turn more towards the PC). Maybe the other next-gen systems will follow suit, but I’m not holding my breath.

KuchikiSentou

I think the 3DS’ discussion is sewn up. The future in question whether it will surpass DS in sales; I feel like it’s done everything it set out to do. The library is staggering and will continue to expand.
Even while the Wii sold 10s of millions, discussion was not really about them, because the people talking [the most] were not so inclined. Nintendo is fine, I think. Even if, worst case scenario, the WiiU fails, they have the means to come back and compete where the others are. But I don’t think it will.

On your point about next gen just being iterations, I agree. To an extent. What we’ve seen so far is basically 2009 stuff with better graphics. I think this is to be expected. The gen is just starting. It’s on the devs to truly innovate over the next 3 years and then the industry can build on that. So I would say “grim” is too strong a word. On your point, I think a better description is “uncertain”, because not everyone has had access to the hardware. We’ve not seen what the major companies can truly do. Or the smaller companies even. Grim is when by Q4 2014, there hasn’t been an entirely great game. And I think we’ve seen glimpses already of good games. Eg Watch_Dogs. The Witcher 3 will undoubtedly be amazing. The popular example of the “more of the same [mots]” argument was Killzone Shadow Fall. But I have every faith that there was much more to the game than that, given it’s story and gameplay choices in the past. Especially multiplayer. I think Battlefield falls more within the mots description. In summation it will take a while for new industry standards to emerge and for those to be pushed.
If it’s about current v next gen, that happens every console cycle. The PSP is a recent example, Toukiden, God Eater 2, both PSP games. PSP games are still being released. But it’s a matter of the future; what lies ahead. When did they finally stop making games for PSX? like 2002? There will come a time when people won’t play their old consoles, which is when the developers scared of risks will have to step up and deliver on a newer platform.

KuchikiSentou

And, about EA. I think they are too big now. They’ve become very inflexible and can’t reach as wide an audience as they used to. The Star Wars acquisition is one of many factors that buttresses my point. Further, they announce that they are going to adapt one engine across 4 sports games? An engine which is roughly a spin-off of FB3? It’s sensible in terms of streamlining the business model to maximise profit, but what does that do to games?

When they revealed FIFA 14, they talked about 5 features, one of which they lied about. I will talk about the one that irks me the most however. Ball Physics. FIFA 07 was the first game to tout this as a feature, and it hasn’t been tampered with since. FIFA games have had this habit of taking a feature out this year and putting it back in another year. For example, specialised First Touch, from FIFA 13, this was in FIFA 05, where a simple flick could send the ball over an opponent’s head etc. The weird thing in FIFA 13 is that even a 2 stark skill player can do it effortlessly. I would wager that THAT would be modified in a future title and labelled as a “feature” or “improvement”. The one they lied about was shooting. They said that in FIFA 13 not all the animations for shooting play out; that the player’s foot just snaps to the ball for the shot depending on the modifier and regardless of the position.. Not only is this an absurd omission [such key animations] for a 2012 game, it is also an outright lie. Obviously FIFA is the only game I can talk about extensively since I’ve played nearly every single one.

I just hope they don’t mess UFC up.

MrTyrant

They said something about blocking used games too.

Luna Kazemaru

nope but you have to pay to play them

Testsubject909

Well ain’t that dick…

And I imagine this is a good stopping point, scrolling down is probably only going to bring repeat comments or comments to which I don’t need to reply since many other denizens of Siliconera probably answered whatever I might answer.

NightzeroAX

The whole presentation was a snooze fest. So far PS4 is near day one purchase for me and getting a Wii – U will be determined at E3.

Shariest

Actually, Nintendo will have their own private party instead of E3, so what Nintendo there is…
Might be just a few lousy stands filled with Mario :/

Solomon_Kano

Actually, no. As they said, they’ll be broadcasting a Nintendo Direct containing all of their announcements.

https://twitter.com/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Project 2501

Nintendo already announced that they will be showcasing the new SSB at E3, which will almost certainly be a system seller all on its own.

They’re not giving a formal presentation, but you can damn well be sure they want every last man, woman, and child to have a chance to try their new Mario Kart/SSB/X/Yoshi what have you when those are announced via ND.

Shariest

JUST OUTSIDE FOOD SERVICE?!!
Sneaky…:D
Edit:So this means that there will be a corner where people watch what Nintendo announces on direct :P
*Imagine, that*

NTaiyokun

Yep. Screw this Lost a sale. Lost a fan. PS3 Welcome me now!

Testsubject909

Welcome.

There’s tons of fun games awaiting you. I hope you enjoy. Plus many of the early 360 timed exclusives can be found with additional content most of the time or just better polish, except for Bayonetta which started off on the 360 and then got a bad port by a different company.

Edit: PS. I would suggest you give PS+ a try, or buy Journey physically since that comes with a free one month subscription to give you a bit of a taste.

Spirit Macardi

Even though this doesn’t affect me at all since I’ve never owned a Microsoft console and don’t wish to either, it’s still rather depressing that two of the three next-gen consoles don’t support any form of backwards compatibility. Yeah the Wii U’s method of doing so isn’t the smoothest, but at least it’s there.

Really, backwards compatibility can be a lifesaver in a console’s early years. For a good while there’s typically only a few truly great games for a current system, but if it can also run the prior machine’s software then that’s an entire back catalog of titles the player can enjoy while waiting for more modern offerings.

Plus it’s kind of hard to claim that the new console is more powerful when it can’t even emulate the basic functions of the previous one.

http://s932.photobucket.com/ usagi_san

Well, I’m not the most tech savvy but, PS3 uses a different architecture to the PS4. Plus, it keeps the price down.

Solomon_Kano

“Plus it’s kind of hard to claim that the new console is more powerful when it can’t even emulate the basic functions of the previous one.”

The problem with that reasoning is that power isn’t the sole gate to emulation. Would you disagree that the SNES was more powerful than the NES because it didn’t play NES games? Or the N64 more powerful than the SNES? The Dreamcast more powerful than the Saturn?

The PS3 was decried by numerous developers for the Cell architecture being difficult to use. Sony’s play to make development easier by going with a more PC-like architecture on an x86 base had the unfortunate side-effect of making BC supremely difficult unless they were to include a Cell chip in the PS4 — and that would drive the price up, much as the inclusion of Emotion did for the PS3.

I’m not familiar with the 360′s architecture as it relates to the Xbox One’s, but even the 360 wasn’t fully compatible with Xbox games so MS apparently hasn’t been working from the same base each time out either.

The reason the Wii U maintains BC is because it runs on an updated version of the Wii’s hardware — which in itself was an updated version of the Gamecube’s. It would actually be rather shocking if the Wii U didn’t have BC.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the sentiment and BC is something that appeals to me, but that reasoning simply doesn’t work. BC isn’t that simple.

Spirit Macardi

I actually do understand all of that, but I was looking at that from the stance of your typical non-tech savvy consumer. Most people don’t really care about hardware and all that internal stuff, they just want to play games. And when you consider standard devices like Blu-Ray players are able to still play DVDs just fine, I can see the lack of a similar capability in a game system causing some frustration.

I probably could have worded my above statement better, so I’m sorry about that.

Solomon_Kano

Ah. Fair enough, then.

Yea, it should be interesting to see the reaction that gets. I don’t think the general consumer will be surprised on the PS4 side when the PS3 didn’t have BC either, but what of the Xbox consumers? While the 360 didn’t have complete BC with the Xbox, it did allow a large number of titles to be played. So that’s probably not something 360 consumers were prepared for moving from 360 to One (which sounds so odd to say out loud lol).

DiosFancifulRomp

Shit, does it play games at all?

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

One…

eilegz

so its ps4, snes, n64, genesis, saturn gc and many other consoles…. everyone wants BC but we need hardware for that, hopefully that all from now on its x86 things will change…

kool_cid414

I wish game consoles were about games and games only and stopped trying to put everything else in the systems. I don’t care about tv I already have cable and would give it up for internet only if I had to only choose one or the other. I don’t care about new ways to watch movies, I have dvds and that’s all I really need. Overall, game consoles should always be about games and how to make them fun different entertaining and worth the amount a customer has to pay. I would personally have it that we stopped developing new consoles and focus on making new games with current restrictions of the current consoles because that is how you can create new, fun, and original games. I apologize for writing so much I just felt I had to write this somewhere feel free to disagree.

Solomon_Kano

The only thing I disagree with is “making new games with current restrictions of the current consoles because that is how you can create new, fun, and original games”, as that’s not necessarily true.

One could’ve said that back in the SNES days, and then we never would’ve had the likes of Okami. Restrictions can breed creativity, certainly, but greater freedom doesn’t stifle it. There’s no need for us to remain stagnant in the name of “originality”, when the same potential for an original work is present moving forward.

kool_cid414

Thanks for replying I understand what your saying and even agree. I love new games that are original and different and greater freedom tends to help create things not possible without advancement. I think I”m just frustrated with how game console no longer focus exclusively on games and how game companies end up focusing exclusively on these new platforms and not on the systems we already have. Thanks again for posting I didn’t really think of that angle when typing I was just releasing a built up frustration after that Xbox conference.

Solomon_Kano

Understandable. It can be disheartening seeing so much focus on all this ancillary stuff rather than what we actually buy these systems for, the games, so I certainly understand.

At the least, we know our existing system’s won’t be left behind immediately. EA, Ubisoft, and Activision are into cross-gen development right now (and probably through the new systems’ first year or so) and the Japanese devs won’t be leaving the PS3 behind for a good while. Not to mention, Sony’s own 10-year life-cycle on top of that.

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

I don’t if this has been asked or addressed but, will this hurt Gamefly?

MogCakes

Yes it will, unless Gamefly manages to strike a deal with MS/Sony…

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Aw Dx I’m really hoping they stay alive with still being able to play games on the Nintendo systems and PS3/Xbox360 >_<

MogCakes

Same, Gamefly is one of the last bastions of rentals left :(

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Indeed ( ;A;)

Testsubject909

Thankfully where I live, a game shop still has a rental section with every new game that comes out set up for rental along with many older games.

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Ugh! Lucky! The Gamestop here doesn’t have rentals anymore (>_< ) Gamefly is my friend rental wise. There is red box but I'm rather hesitant about them. I really don't know much about it.

Solomon_Kano

Your Gamestop used to have rentals!? Whaaat? Where do you live, that sounds like it was flipping awesome.

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Yeah xD! they did til ’08 or so can’t really remember off hand. I think it was because it was privately owned at the time. Then poof they moved into the super mall and that was the end of rentals. I live in CT haha.

Solomon_Kano

Man, that’s pretty cool. The Gamestops around here never had anything like that. They’ve never really had anything but outside of the norm, really. Rhino’s did some interesting stuff before Gamestop bought them out though. ;_;

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

( ;A;) Even after all this time I miss that place haha. After they moved into the mall they changed so, so much… and not in a good way * sniffle* Aw D: *pat pat*

Solomon_Kano

There used to be one at the front of the mall by my house and it was awesome, then one day I came back and… and… it was a Gamestop!? *sigh* R.I.P. Rhino’s, you’re missed.

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Aww *pat pat* R.I.P Bad Gamestop! Taking Rhino’s place.

Testsubject909

That’s because the local game store that still does rental isn’t Gamestop/EBgames.

It’s Microplay.

Microplay also has a selection of games dating all the way back to Atari/Commodore.

I love my local Microplay… It’s also where I purchased my Persona 4 Golden Limited Edition from. You know the one. The limited edition that didn’t ship to Canada. Because no site out there would ship it to Canada….

http://vindictushots.tumblr.com/ Okuni-chan

Even more lucky! The local game store around me closed 2 years ago *sigh* I really, really loved that place and the guy who worked that was awesome ( ;A;)

SunOatBoatMatadorQuattro

It’s like if they are competing with Sony’s PS4 which will not play PS3 games.

Testsubject909

Repeating myself a bit, but PS4 is just not natively compatible.
Key word being natively.

Monsley

I can’t say this surprises me, but it makes me sad nonetheless. I have many Xbox 360 games since it is my preferred console for (most) multiplatform games and I’m not sure how much longer my Arcade model will last (knock on wood), given that I’m probably one of the few people on earth whose old 360 has never RROD…

Solomon_Kano

Wow. I hope it sticks it out, man. My 360 was gone in its first year.

mirumu

*high fives* I have an launch 360 that never red-ringed too. It’s a noisy little beast though.

Testsubject909

Lucky you. I have a launch 360 that first began to have an identity crisis, telling me to put 360 games into an Xbox 360 (which I later found was a product defect as a shipment of Xbox 360′s were made with a sub-par DVD reader, causing technical troubles). Then later on, it RRoD’d on me.

As someone with a working NES, Sega Saturn, SNES, N64, etc etc. I found that rather quite insulting, learning just how shadily built the 360 was.

Then I learned about that stupid X-clamp heat sink…

Always No. 9

Ouch……..

Xbox one -> PS3
PS4 -> PC
Wii U ->………Ps3/Xbox360?

Not here to troll, but that’s what it feels like to me……the PS3 had a very different architecture than its predecessor, making it difficult for developers to craft and mold their games, and it seems as though (<-for the case of not being able to play 360 games) One is taking the same path…….
Oh well………#9

mirumu

The Xbox One is about as PC-like as the PS4 is. All Microsoft meant by that comment is that the 360 was a significantly different architecture to what they have now. Exactly the same is true when comparing the PS4 to the PS3. It wouldn’t be easy for either company to make their new consoles backward compatible.

Always No. 9

No, no I am fully aware of that matter (Xbox One/PS4 -> PC). I guess what I was trying to say was that by not implementing back-compat, they are hurting themselves as much as Sony did back then, when the PS3 was launched, since Developers had difficulty developing games on that platform (due to its architecture)………perhaps not the best comparison, but that’s the impression I got from that statement…….

Muhammad Haris

xbox one has the same architecture as ps4/pc, it’s x86 64.

in the other hand, ps3 using cell architecture while xbox 360 and wii u using powerpc

https://twitter.com/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Project 2501

ell oh ell

WyattEpp

I’m sorry, but we knew this would happen years ago. Though unfortunate, this comes as a surprise to precisely no one who bothered to listen to their local geek. :/

https://twitter.com/Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi Project 2501

Whither the Steambox? Gaben will save us from the ravages of the mega-consoles!

Damarius Wingfield

OUCH just like a cockblock!

Freud_Hater

This sounds like a REALLY inefficient console Oo

revenent hell

Ok what is this poor trend of no backwards compatibility with consoles lately?
For me its what makes me buy a new console years before it goes on sale….Is it the old “pay more for less” theory? OH look I get social apps!…Yeah no don’t care and don’t want.
Well along with the PS4 this will as well fall in to the realm of consoles I wont buy until a game appears that I cant help but want to play.
I should have bought the 360 last year when I wanted to but nooooooooooooo I figured the next version of the console would be able to play 360 games…Oh I was wrong….again.

Testsubject909

For PS4 it should be obvious. The hardware is just too difficult to emulate and adding the Core from the PS3 to have native backward compatibility would bump the price way up for the PS4.

Also the PS4 hasn’t completely cut away backward compatibility, plus PS3 games are stated to be backward compatible via their Cloud servers. Though that last bit is an obvious iffy situation, but it’s still stated to be there.

Well, we’ll see once it’s released.

http://youtube.com/miyabigaming 水木

I don’t see why they had to do this, it’s not like they had to change the architecture like Sony did which I can understand but not this

Pain777sev

MS greed. Sad day for gaming. People are saying that they are done with games period from all the bad news today and we still have 2 other competitors that bring exclusives. Man what a bad day for gaming’ momentum.

Testsubject909

Done with games? Hah.

Empty statements and at worst just a slump.

Muhammad Haris

expected from them.
powerpc to x86 64 is just dont mix.
that’s why you cant install mac os on your intel proc before.
i remember someone from PCSX2 forum (reliable source, as he is PCSX2 coder).
“We wont get any PS3 emulator later in this century” LOL.
the only way to make new xbox can play x360 games is to make a dedicated chip to do so, which will never happen due to business reason. The same applied to earlier PS3 console which due to the cost, sony cut the backward compatibility.

Lester Paredes

Well, that’s not surprising. Backwards compatibility is expensive to implement and very few people take advantage of it. I mean, I’ve got a crap ton of PS1 and PS2 games that I could play on my PS3, but I don’t because I’d rather play a PS3 game. You might say that’s just me, but no, it can’t really be just me. Seriously, if they made a profit from this feature, they’d implement it. Frankly, Sony must make more money by simply re-releasing emulated versions of their most popular PS1 and PS2 games (though, don’t ask me why those dora games are available) on PSN, and Microsoft can do the same with their XBox games on 360. something similar might appear on XBOne and PS4 in the future. Tee-hee. I wrote x-bone.

Testsubject909

Well. The PS4 is backward compatible, just not natively.

Which is why I’m a bit annoyed with the article not specifying Natively backward compatible. From what I’ve seen of the PS4 announcement on my first go and rechecked by reviewing that entire press conference video (and yes it was boring the second way around but I was curious about detail) and then a third time with more people to discuss it with.

The PS4 will be backward compatible… online. Most likely via Gaikai/Cloud Processing/Servers. For people with reliable internet connections who’re always connected, that means their PS4 is virtually completely Backward Compatible. For anyone else, it’s an iffy issue and for anyone with crap internet… Well yeah, for them the PS4 might as well be completely incapable of any backward compatibility.

Lester Paredes

While you bring up very valid points, even people with good internet access may be barking up the wrong tree, depending on their broadband limits. It’d be something worthwhile if it came, out of the box, able to play previous generations of games, but it won’t. And while the streaming will be nice if you have both precursors to enable a good connection, it will most likely not be a day one feature and almost definitely subscription based.

You see, Sony won’t make money if people just played the PS1,2, and 3 games that they already own on the PS4. But they will if they make you pay for it. Perhaps it’ll be a small fee, like Netflix or Hulu for their movie/tv streaming. Perhaps it’ll be part of Playstation Plus, which may end up having different price tiers based upon what features you want. But, as you saw with the PS3, out of the box back-compat is expensive and they make little money off of it, as most games purchased to take advantage of the feature will be previously owned.

All that said, if I had the broadband? Hells to the Yes would I buy into that and play the great games i never had the chance to play, and replay the awesome ones I did. Plus, y’know they’re gonna add trophies to that.

Testsubject909

Heh. Don’t worry. I understand the ups and downs. I myself am sad that it’s not natively backward compatible and am not too comfortable with the idea of being stuck on a server to play my older games.

My internet isn’t 100% stable and I have had many days when it would just hiccup. Even just a short disconnect would mean the streaming would die on me.

But it’s not as big a problem for me. I keep all my old consoles, I have a functional NES, SNES, N64, Xbox regular, Sega Saturn, PS1, PS2, etc etc etc. Though to be specific, that’s just me. Many people out there don’t own some of the previous consoles so a backward compatible console is an ideal solution for them.

Out of the three “next gen consoles”. The Wii and PS4 have an upper hand on the 360 with their own Backward Compatibility, though the PS4′s backward compatibility is obviously flawed.

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You know I’m not even too sure what subject we’re on right now. So I’m going to go back to exploring various articles.

Testsubject909

So, I take one day off to focus on playing Soul Sacrifice and spend today with friends to find out that. Le gasp.

I missed all the excitement.

J_Joestar

So the Wii U is the only home console this gen to have full backwards compatibility? lol…
Added to the fact that they just patented a method for kinect to monitor how many people are watching/playing with you and the ability to lock you out if they see you are sharing too much… X1 seems like a pass.

Alvin Lee

Because Windows 8 suck, so it MUST go on the sucky XBox One. Makes perfect sense.

http://twitter.com/HaohmaruHL HaohmaruHL

i think people will live with this, not being able to play 2-3 halo games is not much of a loss, lol

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