novalord2:No one is going to take your guns. You can point to Feinstein or pluck out a few anecdotes of fringe leftists, but it doesn't change the fact that you are screaming at imaginary terrors.

I am a gun owner in California. Even here, a plethora of self-defense options available to basically everyone. I can't even begin to understand what people like you are afraid of. Then again, I've come across far too many people that are surprised that I own guns in CA because the shiat they hear from the NRA/Limbaugh.

Do you think they would try to take peoples guns if there wasn't as much resistance as there is now?

It is the goal of the gun control crowd. Everything else they do is just goose steps in that direction.

No, certainly not. Any time it's brought up it's dismissed as whargarbl, or paranoia, or a slippery slope fallacy. Any politician who brings up confiscation or bans or the inability to legally transfer the ownership of a model or class of firearm through one's offspring is discounted as being a "minority, an outlier, "an overzealous staffer" if you will and thus without consequence. When proposals to open the NICS system to private sales is brought up by people who own firearms among the Fark community it is ignored or dismissed. When proposals to minimize the effects of poverty, end the war on drugs, reduce the prevalence of gangs (which is intrinsically tied to aforementioned poverty and War on Drugs), and reducing the social stigma of seeking out or being reported and mandated to receive mental healthcare all I seem to see in response is "that's part of our platform too" or even more damning "welp, guess you should have spoken up more loudly and earlier gun-nut."

whidbey:Oh great. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

1. The NRA is very likely the biggest reason why we do not have an enforceable gun regulation policy.2. The NRA's successful lobbying for the (too powerful) gun manufacturing industry is why this country has a weapons black market, period.

1. The NRA is very likely the biggest reason why we do not have an enforceable gun regulation policy.2. The NRA's successful lobbying for the (too powerful) gun manufacturing industry is why this country has a weapons black market, period.

You're inspiring me to buy a lifetime NRA membership.

Let's see, should I support the ACLU, who has proven time and again to be the true champions of human and civil rights, or should I bleat in time to the chorus of gun nuts who have done all they can to f*ck this country's chances up of having an enforceable (=safe) gun regulation policy.

whidbey:Oh great. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

1. The NRA is very likely the biggest reason why we do not have an enforceable gun regulation policy.2. The NRA's successful lobbying for the (too powerful) gun manufacturing industry is why this country has a weapons black market, period.

The NRA is not hampering enforcing current law. The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

How does the NRA or manufacturers gain financially from a balck market? If it was about money wouldn't the NRA and manufactirers want people to buy from certified dealers/distributors?

Firearms are more expensive on the black market....an 800$ AR can go for multiple thousands...but criminals aren't using ARs in the commission of crime now are they? Well aside from maybe a few dozen people.

Why do you want to legislate tens of millions over the transgressions of a few dozen?

thisisarepeat:Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: What I was thinking was that weed is still illegal federally, and if a federal agency was checking both the CCW and the script at the same time they have to stop and go hmmmm.

This is county agencies. It's actually kind of not cool, given Oregon's general situation.

That's a bit different. Though I have to ask, is it ever okay to be with an open container of alcohol and a ccw at the same time? (Honestly don't know). Is this a parallel? Even then...

Uchiha_Cycliste: How Vegetarian? Can you go catch a fish and make delicious fish tacos?

Fish can stay in the water. I don't get why people eat those things.

Fish are absolutely delicious. Especially fresh caught up in the mountains..

Trout? I've been all about walleye and sturgeon forever and i've heard trout is crazy gamey. How to you cook it?

I've had it up high in the sierras and they are usually maybe 8-12 inches. Cut off the head, gut it, throw it on the largest lid of cook kit with some oil and eat whats left when it's fully cooked. It gets picked at while it cooks. Good eatin' yummy yummy rainbow and brown trout. If you get high enough they are all natural since they don't stock a lot of places, those guys fight harder and taste better. Mmmm mmm

whidbey:Oh great. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

1. The NRA is very likely the biggest reason why we do not have an enforceable gun regulation policy.2. The NRA's successful lobbying for the (too powerful) gun manufacturing industry is why this country has a weapons black market, period.

Bullshiat, I had to pay for shipping for a single pound of 'unique' (shipping is expensive because people are retarded) that had to be procured on the other side of the country. American arms manufacturers cant keep up with demand. Prices are high as hell. Please stop biatching about guns, so people will stop thinking its their last chance, and $480 rifles will stop selling for $2,000.

Thanks,Guy that wishes you could find another fish to save, or just shut the fark up altogether.Think of my children

sheep snorter:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

But now that the U.S. has its own army, the militia is no longer needed, so no more guns for you. Please head down to your local recycling center and turn them all in and you get a free cookie.But if you don't want to tun them in, President Obama is setting up some "freedom lover" communes in a couple of States that will take your guns as soon as you enter. I think 'Citidel' was the name of one of them.

/Glory be to Glenn Beckistani.

Funny how it doesn't say "The right of the militia to keep and bear arms" Oh well, can't have silly things like "facts" muddy up your preconceived notions, now can we?

davidphogan:Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: You could say that the NRA is... under fire ... because of this stunt. YEEEAAAHHHHHHHH!

That joke was just... (puts on sunglasses) right on target.

Heh, nice. I don't think I have any more puns even worth... taking a shot at.

It's okay... They can't always the same caliber as the first.

You are really... gunning to win this one aren't ya?

I'm firing the bad puns as fast as I can to keep up!

If you're not careful you'll be shooting blanks soon.

At least it's not first graders in a barrel.

/oh, shiat. shouldn't have gone there.

Yeah that one bombed, but no one's upset so... (sunglasses) you dodged a bullet there. YEAAAAAHHH

I won't make the one about how we should be glad we don't need to hear Michael Jackson's thoughts on holes in little boys.

I don't know what to say to that...I guess, what did the dad say to micheal jackson at the beach? Can you please get out of my son?

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Giltric:novalord2: No one is going to take your guns. You can point to Feinstein or pluck out a few anecdotes of fringe leftists, but it doesn't change the fact that you are screaming at imaginary terrors.

I am a gun owner in California. Even here, a plethora of self-defense options available to basically everyone. I can't even begin to understand what people like you are afraid of. Then again, I've come across far too many people that are surprised that I own guns in CA because the shiat they hear from the NRA/Limbaugh.

Do you think they would try to take peoples guns if there wasn't as much resistance as there is now?

It is the goal of the gun control crowd. Everything else they do is just goose steps in that direction.

"One of the most controversial gun-control bills introduced in California this year -- a move to seize the 166,000 registered assault weapons grandfathered in under the state's ban -- is dead, its author said Thursday.When Assemblyman Rob Bonta, D-Oakland, introduced AB174 in January, it was designed to declare the Legislature's intent to end all "grandfather clauses" allowing ownership of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. But on Tuesday, he gutted and amended the bill to address public-school health centers instead. Coincidentally, it was the same day that U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced he won't include Sen. Dianne Feinstein's proposed reinstatement of the federal assault weapons ban in the gun-control bill he brings to the floor.Bonta said Thursday that he came to realize his proposal was a nonstarter."It would be extremely expensive, for one -- if you were going to take back guns that were grandfathered in, you would have to provide market compensation for them," he said."http://m.mercurynews.com/sjm/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=4CpKj QH O

Uchiha_Cycliste:thisisarepeat: Uchiha_Cycliste: davidphogan: Uchiha_Cycliste: What I was thinking was that weed is still illegal federally, and if a federal agency was checking both the CCW and the script at the same time they have to stop and go hmmmm.

This is county agencies. It's actually kind of not cool, given Oregon's general situation.

That's a bit different. Though I have to ask, is it ever okay to be with an open container of alcohol and a ccw at the same time? (Honestly don't know). Is this a parallel? Even then...

Uchiha_Cycliste: How Vegetarian? Can you go catch a fish and make delicious fish tacos?

Fish can stay in the water. I don't get why people eat those things.

Fish are absolutely delicious. Especially fresh caught up in the mountains..

Trout? I've been all about walleye and sturgeon forever and i've heard trout is crazy gamey. How to you cook it?

I've had it up high in the sierras and they are usually maybe 8-12 inches. Cut off the head, gut it, throw it on the largest lid of cook kit with some oil and eat whats left when it's fully cooked. It gets picked at while it cooks. Good eatin' yummy yummy rainbow and brown trout. If you get high enough they are all natural since they don't stock a lot of places, those guys fight harder and taste better. Mmmm mmm

Giltric:whidbey: thisisarepeat: I guess it could be said that gun control caused the sandy hook tragedy.

Actually, if there had been a law (with teeth, no less) that gun owners had to secure their weaponry against any chance of someone accessing them, Sandy Hook might not have happened at all.

B-but 2nd Amendment. I know.Typical response is typical.

What does the police report say?

For all we know the weapons were stored in a safe and he used a grinding wheel to cut the safe open.

If someone were legally compelled to secure their weapons, no lone individual would have that kind of chance. And yeah, we're probably talking some kind of expensive top-of-the-line means to secure weapons. I know you think responsibility shouldn't be expensive.

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Would you like citations? How about video of a chief of police and a district attorney arguing about how they dont chase paper laws like failed background checks via lying on a form 4473 at a hearing set up by the queen of gun control Diane Feinstein. Even though the crime is a felony...even though by not prosecuting and putting the perpetrators in jail that leaves the perpetrator free to go about procuring a firearm by other methods and possibly killing/raping someone.

Do you believe you have no right to defend yourself? Actually I don;t care if what you believe because you are trying to deny other people the right to self defense.

Why don't you move to Chicago or somewhere that has strict gun control laws? Why bother forcing your progressive dream on everyone else?

GUTSU:It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

whidbey:Giltric: whidbey: thisisarepeat: I guess it could be said that gun control caused the sandy hook tragedy.

Actually, if there had been a law (with teeth, no less) that gun owners had to secure their weaponry against any chance of someone accessing them, Sandy Hook might not have happened at all.

B-but 2nd Amendment. I know.Typical response is typical.

What does the police report say?

For all we know the weapons were stored in a safe and he used a grinding wheel to cut the safe open.

If someone were legally compelled to secure their weapons, no lone individual would have that kind of chance. And yeah, we're probably talking some kind of expensive top-of-the-line means to secure weapons. I know you think responsibility shouldn't be expensive.

Let the government approve the safe and give them away to those who want or need them.

When you want more of something..you subsidize it. Thats the kind of socialism we can both get behind.....right?

whidbey:Giltric: whidbey: thisisarepeat: I guess it could be said that gun control caused the sandy hook tragedy.

Actually, if there had been a law (with teeth, no less) that gun owners had to secure their weaponry against any chance of someone accessing them, Sandy Hook might not have happened at all.

B-but 2nd Amendment. I know.Typical response is typical.

What does the police report say?

For all we know the weapons were stored in a safe and he used a grinding wheel to cut the safe open.

If someone were legally compelled to secure their weapons, no lone individual would have that kind of chance. And yeah, we're probably talking some kind of expensive top-of-the-line means to secure weapons. I know you think responsibility shouldn't be expensive.

Do you trust your parents, your siblings, your children? Would you trust any of them with were you keep your money, let them drive your car? If so, you'd probably trust them with your guns too.

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Yes, I speak it. Do you? Lets see you tell me that you don't want the United States civilian population completely disarmed. Then we can talk about intellectual dishonesty and simple lies.

whidbey:GUTSU: It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Cars kill more people that guns every year. No one "needs a car." Humanity got along great for thousands of years without those death machines.

WhyteRaven74:Giltric: I fully expect you to pretend that confiscation has never happened the next time you bring it up.

And we fully expect you to ignore several dozen dead bodies, because hey why interrupt your wild west fantasies eh?

That's a great reason to push legislation that would have had zero effect on the murders. The crazy kid didn't buy the guns. His dead mother didn't even legally transfer the guns to him. I guess maybe if there was a background check on guns taken from a murder victim maybe the shooter would have asked the government's permission before taking the guns from his dead mother and shooting up that school.

Emotion, particularly fear, is never a good reason to restrict freedom. See the Patriot Act, the TSA, et al.

Giltric:whidbey: Giltric: The NRA is not hampering enforcing current law.

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Would you like citations? How about video of a chief of police and a district attorney arguing about how they dont chase paper laws like failed background checks via lying on a form 4473 at a hearing set up by the queen of gun control Diane Feinstein. Even though the crime is a felony...even though by not prosecuting and putting the perpetrators in jail that leaves the perpetrator free to go about procuring a firearm by other methods and possibly killing/raping someone.

I'm sure whatever cherrypicked examples you could provide doesn't negate any of the points I have been making, that the NRA is the reason we have this antiquated rather paranoid mindset over gun regulation.Find some other way of getting your point across instead, I would offer.

Do you believe you have no right to defend yourself? Actually I don;t care if what you believe because you are trying to deny other people the right to self defense.

I believe people should have the right to bear arms, per the Constitution.I find the over-the-top gun culture paranoid attitude that everyone needs a gun or else they're going to be attacked to be ludicrous "what-if" bullshiat. You know damn well nobody's going to break in to your house or hurt anyone close to you, Giltric. You have this disturbing Minuteman mentality. We live in a relatively peaceful society. Why do we need to keep shoving fearful gun culture archetypes into everyone's face? Why can't we move on as a society?

Why don't you move to Chicago or somewhere that has strict gun control laws? Why bother forcing your progressive dream on everyone else?

Chicago is full of millions of people. Pointing to big cities like NY or Chi-Town and claiming gun control laws don't work is bullshiat.

Also, I've yet to hear anyone discuss what we're going to do about the black market. Gun advocates don't want success in that area, either.

GUTSU:whidbey: GUTSU: It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Cars kill more people that guns every year. No one "needs a car." Humanity got along great for thousands of years without those death machines.

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Yeah you're right. It's the old "guns are cars/knives/clubs/pinwheels fallacy.

It isn't an argument. Guns are only....wait for it...

Guns. Nothing else. They should be treated as what they are, without the need to make absurd comparisons to other things. Yeah I definitely know you don't want to hear that shiat.

whidbey:I believe people should have the right to bear arms, per the Constitution.I find the over-the-top gun culture paranoid attitude that everyone needs a gun or else they're going to be attacked to be ludicrous "what-if" bullshiat. You know damn well nobody's going to break in to your house or hurt ...As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

whidbey:Giltric: whidbey: Giltric: The NRA is not hampering enforcing current law.

Oh bullshiat, dude. At least admit they have the power they wield in this country.

The politicians and prosecutors and cops are doing that themselves. Instead of enforcing laws on the books...like lying on form 4473s , straw purchasers etc...they choose not to prosecute and want to pass extra laws that probably won't be enforced either.

No, man. The reason we have the watered down half-baked gun laws is because of the millions of dollars poured in to lobbying against any kind of progressive gun regulation legislation. Again, honesty. Do you speak it motherfarker? Let's put our cards on the table here.

It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Would you like citations? How about video of a chief of police and a district attorney arguing about how they dont chase paper laws like failed background checks via lying on a form 4473 at a hearing set up by the queen of gun control Diane Feinstein. Even though the crime is a felony...even though by not prosecuting and putting the perpetrators in jail that leaves the perpetrator free to go about procuring a firearm by other methods and possibly killing/raping someone.

I'm sure whatever cherrypicked examples you could provide doesn't negate any of the points I have been making, that the NRA is the reason we have this antiquated rather paranoid mindset over gun regulation.Find some other way of getting your point across instead, I would offer.

Do you believe you have no right to defend yourself? Actually I don;t care if what you believe because you are trying to deny other people the right to self defense.

I believe people should have the right to bear arms, per the Constitution.I find the over-the-top gun culture paranoid attitude that everyone needs a gun or else they're going to be attacked to be ludicrous "what-if" bullshiat. You know damn well nobody's going to break in to your house or hurt ...

Black Market? You are worried about the Black Market?!?! Outlaw some more shiat, that should fix it. You are an impossible idiot. You can get grants that pay for community college.

whidbey:GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Cars kill more people that guns every year. No one "needs a car." Humanity got along great for thousands of years without those death machines.

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Yeah you're right. It's the old "guns are cars/knives/clubs/pinwheels fallacy.

It isn't an argument. Guns are only....wait for it...

Guns. Nothing else. They should be treated as what they are, without the need to make absurd comparisons to other things. Yeah I definitely know you don't want to hear that shiat.

So when a car, a completely unnecessary item kills someone it's magically different from a someone killed by a gun? Getting shot is a worse death than being crushed by a semi? You're right guns are just guns, lumps of wood and steel incapable of taking any action by themselves.

GUTSU:Giltric: novalord2: No one is going to take your guns. You can point to Feinstein or pluck out a few anecdotes of fringe leftists, but it doesn't change the fact that you are screaming at imaginary terrors.

I am a gun owner in California. Even here, a plethora of self-defense options available to basically everyone. I can't even begin to understand what people like you are afraid of. Then again, I've come across far too many people that are surprised that I own guns in CA because the shiat they hear from the NRA/Limbaugh.

Do you think they would try to take peoples guns if there wasn't as much resistance as there is now?

It is the goal of the gun control crowd. Everything else they do is just goose steps in that direction.

"One of the most controversial gun-control bills introduced in California this year -- a move to seize the 166,000 registered assault weapons grandfathered in under the state's ban -- is dead, its author said Thursday.When Assemblyman Rob Bonta, D-Oakland, introduced AB174 in January, it was designed to declare the Legislature's intent to end all "grandfather clauses" allowing ownership of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. But on Tuesday, he gutted and amended the bill to address public-school health centers instead. Coincidentally, it was the same day that U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced he won't include Sen. Dianne Feinstein's proposed reinstatement of the federal assault weapons ban in the gun-control bill he brings to the floor.Bonta said Thursday that he came to realize his proposal was a nonstarter."It would be extremely expensive, for one -- if you were going to take back guns that were grandfathered in, you would have to provide market compensation for them," he said."http://m.mercurynews.com/sjm/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=4CpKj QH O

No ones coming for your guns, super promise!

Good job, you found one of the few fringe lefties making proposals that even they admit are not feasible. Clearly, the end is nigh.

The Democrats have a super-majority in this state, and our gun laws have remained relatively static for the past twenty years. They are capable of passing absolutely any law they want, including confiscation. Problem is, there is no tangible faction that cares to do that.

Gun control is not a black and white issue. There are sensible gun regulations, which currently exist in California.

Giltric, why do you seem to believe that the government is hell bent on taking everyone's guns? What do they have to gain from doing that? I hope that you don't answer with something along the lines of "guns protect us from tyranny". Rednecks with rifles are no match for the military, full-stop, done. They could deal with an insurrection with drones alone. You have to be retard to sincerely believe that your AR15 keeps the government at bay.

GUTSU:whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Cars kill more people that guns every year. No one "needs a car." Humanity got along great for thousands of years without those death machines.

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Yeah you're right. It's the old "guns are cars/knives/clubs/pinwheels fallacy.

It isn't an argument. Guns are only....wait for it...

Guns. Nothing else. They should be treated as what they are, without the need to make absurd comparisons to other things. Yeah I definitely know you don't want to hear that shiat.

So when a car, a completely unnecessary item kills someone it's magically different from a someone killed by a gun? Getting shot is a worse death than being crushed by a semi? You're right guns are just guns, lumps of wood and steel incapable of taking any action by themselves.

So why do you fear them more than cars?

What part of the "I'm not going to entertain the guns=cars fallacy" did you miss earlier?

whidbey:GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself. Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

As far as "gun insurance" goes - is it meant to cover if the policy holder blasts somebody? Or is it meant to cover if someone steals the gun and later uses it in a murder? Because if it's the latter, imputing liability to the victim of theft is ridiculous and inequitable.

If the gun owner made it easy or attractive for a child or deranged family member to access the gun, there are already civil remedies in place to compensate the victims.

whidbey:GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: It's 18th Century thinking injected into a 21st Century world. And it isn't working.

Oh yeah $2 million in 10 years is just such a gigantic amount of lobbying money, gee whiz. In contrast companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM spent over $150 million, not over 10 years but in 2010 alone.

Haha, "honesty" whatever you say dude.

Yeah well Microsoft doesn't make a product that could blow off someone's farking head, dude. Nor are they stuck in a 19th Century mindset like "everyone needs a farking gun."

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Cars kill more people that guns every year. No one "needs a car." Humanity got along great for thousands of years without those death machines.

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but hey.

Yeah you're right. It's the old "guns are cars/knives/clubs/pinwheels fallacy.

It isn't an argument. Guns are only....wait for it...

Guns. Nothing else. They should be treated as what they are, without the need to make absurd comparisons to other things. Yeah I definitely know you don't want to hear that shiat.

So when a car, a completely unnecessary item kills someone it's magically different from a someone killed by a gun? Getting shot is a worse death than being crushed by a semi? You're right guns are just guns, lumps of wood and steel incapable of taking any action by themselves.

So why do you fear them more than cars?

What part of the "I'm not going to entertain the guns=cars fallacy" did you miss earlier?

It's okay to be afraid of inanimate objects, It's okay to deflect questions you don't want to answer. I guess those 34,000 people should have got shot last year, maybe you'd care about them then.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

GUTSU:whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself. Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

whidbey:GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself. Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

How about...ONE gun? Why would that not be enough?

Are you assuming that one gun is suited to every situation? Do you expect people to do hunting with 9mm hand guns? Protect their families with bolt-action rifles? Why should people be restricted by how many weapons they can own? To satisfy your irrational fears?

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

1) prove it2) prove it3) prove it

I'll only except APA citations.

So you just flat out deny it's happening.

M'kay.

Oh look. Another Fark Gun Thread™ with way too many comments.

If it's so apparent, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding examples. Come on, this should be easy.

1. The NRA is largely responsible for derailing any serious enforceable gun regulation policy2. The need for home protection is seriously romanticized in this country3. Being the world's largest manufacturer of weapons, the US has a serious conflict of interest in regards to the weapons black market.

I dare you to honestly answer any of the points.

1. There have been no SERIOUSLY ENFORCEABLE gun regulation policies. The SCOTUS has said as much. They merely defend us from SERIOUSLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation.

GUTSU:whidbey: GUTSU: whidbey: GUTSU: As we all know home invasions, muggings, and rapes NEVER happen, EVER

So what's the big deal? Keep something at home to protect yourself. Overcompensating with a basement arsenal isn't necessary. And yeah, we have the right as a society to make such a determination.

Please, tell me how many guns is an "arsenal." Do muzzleloaders count? .22's, lever actions, bolt action, break action, semi-automatics, shotguns, do those count? Why does society get to decide how much personal property I, as a law abiding citizen can own?

How about...ONE gun? Why would that not be enough?

Are you assuming that one gun is suited to every situation? Do you expect people to do hunting with 9mm hand guns? Protect their families with bolt-action rifles? Why should people be restricted by how many weapons they can own? To satisfy your irrational fears?

He's probably never seen a gun, so he probably doesn't understand the differences between the use for a shotgun and the use for a bolt-action rifle. They both shoot bullets, right?