The point of that, however, is that Trump Tower was tapped under the Obama admin.

I know Trump has pointed to NYT has his source. But i've been told things by people that I wouldn't admit who the source was before. Its how you
protect your source. Example: when an employee rats out another employee, you have to find a way to prove it without invoking the rats name.

I think if the detractors would stop screaming "LIAR" at the top of their lungs, you'd stop seeing people present this stuff showing that it could be
less of a lie and more a misunderstanding or mistake. At this point, everyone is painted into their corners with a broad brush of hyperbole.

Actually. All pointing out that wiretap case does is muddy the waters. That is why I said it is irrelevant to the case at hand. It's an already
settled matter from 3 years ago. It presents nothing illuminating about this case. In fact, if anything it makes Trump's position WORSE. Because that
investigation led to the indictment of 30 Russians. So it can potentially give credence to the Trump/Russian connection today. I,personally, don't
think that is the case, but bringing this up is treading dangerous water while not doing anything to help Trump's case in any way.

Trump must have gave FBI permission to tap his tower between 2011 and 2013. Trump helped FBI bust Russian mafia in his tower. Russian mafia has
nothing to do with Putin and Trump was never accused of conspiring with Putin between between 2011 and 2013 when the Russian mafia lived at Trump
tower.

Like I said that is irrelevant since the election happened during 2016. Three years after that wiretap ended.

Interesting though...Look what I found..

How did an alleged and notorious Russian mobster connected to an illegal international gambling ring run out of Trump Tower end up as a special
guest at a Donald Trump event in Moscow in 2013? This may be one of the odder questions of the already-odd 2016 presidential campaign.

On April 16, 2013, federal agents burst into a swanky apartment at Trump Tower in New York City as part of a larger raid that rounded up 29 suspected
members of two global gambling rings with operations allegedly overseen by a supposed Russian mob boss named Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov.

The Russian was not nabbed by US law enforcement. Since being indicted in the United States a decade earlier for allegedly rigging an ice skating
competition at the 2002 Olympics, he had been living in Russia, beyond the reach of Western authorities. And this new gambling indictment did not
appear to inconvenience Tokhtakhounov. Seven months after the bust, he was a VIP attendee at Donald Trump's Miss Universe 2013 contest held in Moscow.
In fact, Tokhtakhounov hit the red carpet within minutes of Trump. An alleged crime lord who was a fugitive from American justice was
apparently a celebrity guest at Trump's event.

Actually. All pointing out that wiretap case does is muddy the waters. That is why I said it is irrelevant to the case at hand. It's an already
settled matter from 3 years ago. It presents nothing illuminating about this case. In fact, if anything it makes Trump's position WORSE. Because that
investigation led to the indictment of 30 Russians. So it can potentially give credence to the Trump/Russian connection today. I,personally, don't
think that is the case, but bringing this up is treading dangerous water while not doing anything to help Trump's case in any way.

Can't argue that.

My point is that Trump has given a half assed answer to what his source for that claim was. We know he hates the NYT. Its hard for me to imagine
that Trump would say something libelous and that instantly removes his credibility like that. Thats where im falling down. There HAS to have been
something said or that he read which was misconstrued by him.

I guess another way to put it: in the same way people call him a liar, and it itself is a lie....his desire to smear Obama and media caused him to
embellish a story he had heard.

What bothers me is that we have to take Comey, et al's word for it. There is no way to prove Trump is or is not lying without actually sharing
details beyond "no comment".

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Trump must have gave FBI permission to tap his tower between 2011 and 2013. Trump helped FBI bust Russian mafia in his tower.

Ya...nice try...The leader of that Organized Crime ring that was indicted during the raid showed up as a VIP guest of Trumps in 2013 (the year of
Golden Showers) whilst a fugitive in the USA for that very same raid.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Fact is, the Obama administration's FBI tapped Trump from at least from 2011 to 2013. And it could have easily happened in the 2016 election. And they
found nothing to prevent Trump from becoming president.

Like I said that is irrelevant since the election happened during 2016. Three years after that wiretap ended.

Interesting though...Look what I found..

How did an alleged and notorious Russian mobster connected to an illegal international gambling ring run out of Trump Tower end up as a special
guest at a Donald Trump event in Moscow in 2013? This may be one of the odder questions of the already-odd 2016 presidential campaign.

On April 16, 2013, federal agents burst into a swanky apartment at Trump Tower in New York City as part of a larger raid that rounded up 29 suspected
members of two global gambling rings with operations allegedly overseen by a supposed Russian mob boss named Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov.

The Russian was not nabbed by US law enforcement. Since being indicted in the United States a decade earlier for allegedly rigging an ice skating
competition at the 2002 Olympics, he had been living in Russia, beyond the reach of Western authorities. And this new gambling indictment did not
appear to inconvenience Tokhtakhounov. Seven months after the bust, he was a VIP attendee at Donald Trump's Miss Universe 2013 contest held in Moscow.
In fact, Tokhtakhounov hit the red carpet within minutes of Trump. An alleged crime lord who was a fugitive from American justice was
apparently a celebrity guest at Trump's event.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Trump must have gave FBI permission to tap his tower between 2011 and 2013. Trump helped FBI bust Russian mafia in his tower. Russian mafia has
nothing to do with Putin and Trump was never accused of conspiring with Putin between between 2011 and 2013 when the Russian mafia lived at Trump
tower.

President Donald Trump said he was initially tipped off to information that led to his tweets accusing his predecessor of wiretapping his campaign
headquarters last fall by a story in The New York Times and reporting by Bret Baier on Fox News. But neither the New York Times nor Baier has
reported that Trump Tower had been wiretapped.

"I read in, I think it was Jan. 20, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping," Trump said in an interview on Fox News with
Tucker Carlson Wednesday night. "There was an article, I think they used that exact term."

Is there another hearing planned to include CIA or DOJ?

I don't think so and doubt it. Keep in mind that the DOJ authorized Comey to speak on their behalf during his testimony.

Like I said that is irrelevant since the election happened during 2016. Three years after that wiretap ended.

Interesting though...Look what I found..

How did an alleged and notorious Russian mobster connected to an illegal international gambling ring run out of Trump Tower end up as a special
guest at a Donald Trump event in Moscow in 2013? This may be one of the odder questions of the already-odd 2016 presidential campaign.

On April 16, 2013, federal agents burst into a swanky apartment at Trump Tower in New York City as part of a larger raid that rounded up 29 suspected
members of two global gambling rings with operations allegedly overseen by a supposed Russian mob boss named Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov.

The Russian was not nabbed by US law enforcement. Since being indicted in the United States a decade earlier for allegedly rigging an ice skating
competition at the 2002 Olympics, he had been living in Russia, beyond the reach of Western authorities. And this new gambling indictment did not
appear to inconvenience Tokhtakhounov. Seven months after the bust, he was a VIP attendee at Donald Trump's Miss Universe 2013 contest held in Moscow.
In fact, Tokhtakhounov hit the red carpet within minutes of Trump. An alleged crime lord who was a fugitive from American justice was
apparently a celebrity guest at Trump's event.

The guy that was over-seeing the Trump Tower Russian Organized Crime ring?
VIP guest of Donald at the Miss America Pageant while a fugitive from justice in the USA.

LOL.
Was this? Was that?
Sure, speculation can be fun.

What speculation? Complete with pics.. How Did an Alleged Russian Mobster End Up on Trump's Red Carpet?
And here's a coincidence: The guy was indicted for being part of a global gambling ring run out of Trump Tower.www.motherjones.com...

Like I said that is irrelevant since the election happened during 2016. Three years after that wiretap ended.

Interesting though...Look what I found..

How did an alleged and notorious Russian mobster connected to an illegal international gambling ring run out of Trump Tower end up as a special
guest at a Donald Trump event in Moscow in 2013? This may be one of the odder questions of the already-odd 2016 presidential campaign.

On April 16, 2013, federal agents burst into a swanky apartment at Trump Tower in New York City as part of a larger raid that rounded up 29 suspected
members of two global gambling rings with operations allegedly overseen by a supposed Russian mob boss named Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov.

The Russian was not nabbed by US law enforcement. Since being indicted in the United States a decade earlier for allegedly rigging an ice skating
competition at the 2002 Olympics, he had been living in Russia, beyond the reach of Western authorities. And this new gambling indictment did not
appear to inconvenience Tokhtakhounov. Seven months after the bust, he was a VIP attendee at Donald Trump's Miss Universe 2013 contest held in Moscow.
In fact, Tokhtakhounov hit the red carpet within minutes of Trump. An alleged crime lord who was a fugitive from American justice was
apparently a celebrity guest at Trump's event.

The guy that was over-seeing the Trump Tower Russian Organized Crime ring?
VIP guest of Donald at the Miss America Pageant while a fugitive from justice in the USA.

LOL.
Was this? Was that?
Sure, speculation can be fun.

What speculation? Complete with pics.. How Did an Alleged Russian Mobster End Up on Trump's Red Carpet?
And here's a coincidence: The guy was indicted for being part of a global gambling ring run out of Trump Tower.www.motherjones.com...

What does that have to do with collusion in the 2016 campaign and what law do you think Trump broke at the time?
As for the title of 'how he ended up on Trump's red carpet', I'd imagine he travelled there by plane, train or automobile with a valid invite.

This content community relies on user-generated content from our member contributors. The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides a collaborative venue for free expression.