playing physical usually leads to playing dirty, not that I condone it. But bark up that tree that tree will fall on you. UD's was the type of message I would prefer, it's looking like he will be suspended though which definitely isn't something I want. Yeah as I said, pittman crossed the line, a hard flagrant one to send a message would be acceptable(that should have been a flag 2), not a cheap shot with intent straight at his neck+ it injured him.

Lebron hasn't thrown multiple "cheap elbows". He threw one elbow, the other play where they got tangled up was not him "throwing an elbow", he lifted his arm up that's it, re watch the play.

but again the pacers were asking for it, for example you don't just walk up to someone and talk hella sh*t right in their face and expect them to simply just talk sh*t back, it's gonna escalate.

DontHateDaGreat said:

True but I don't think they'll suspend haslem for that foul. I think the Pacers should have kept their mouths shut on the issue and let their play speak for them. They got gassed up off of game 3 and then hibbert and west underperform. I honestly think their trashtalk (and that extra day off they had before game 4) really helped the heat mentally. No reason to give anybody that mental edge. Look at the mavs last year they joked about dirk and they let their play talk for them and even when someone did talk trash at least it was someone who could actually back it up (Jason Terry), pacers don't have that. Pacers tried that "blue collar team by choice", "we're tough in the paint/more complete team" act and got hurt by 2 superstars and bums

it was a flagrant 2...and they determined it was worthy of a flagrant 2, but then let him off the hook and fu*ked haslem. they basically said his foul should have gotten him ejected from the game, and the officials failed to do so, so then when haslem enacted justice, they suspended him and let tyler off the hook.

The League Office will consider the following factors (as well as any other relevant facts and circumstances) in determining whether to classify a foul as Flagrant "1" or Flagrant "2", to reclassify a flagrant foul, or to impose a fine and/or suspension on the player involved:

1. The severity of the contact;

2. Whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play (e.g., whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot; note, however, that a foul committed during a block attempt can still be considered flagrant if other criteria are present such as recklessness and hard contact to the head);

3. Whether, on a foul committed with a player's arm or hand, the fouling player wound up and/or followed through after making contact;

4. The potential for injury resulting from contact (e.g., a blow to the head and a foul committed while a player is in a vulnerable position);

5. The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player; and

6. The outcome of the contact (e.g., whether it led to an altercation).