jesus, freepers are just so farking stupid. every time they think they've "gotcha!" it turns out that they have no argument at all or their facts are wrong or they're taking something completely out of context - sometimes all three. i can't remember the last time i heard a cogent, well-reasoned argument from a rightwing blog. seriously.

FlashHarry:jesus, freepers are just so farking stupid. every time they think they've "gotcha!" it turns out that they have no argument at all or their facts are wrong or they're taking something completely out of context - sometimes all three. i can't remember the last time i heard a cogent, well-reasoned argument from a rightwing blog. seriously.

And you won't. Freepers, Teabaggers, Republicans and all the other various flavors aren't interested in debate or discussion. Those are intellectual pursuits. Freepers et al want emotional confirmation of their beliefs. Thats why there is no Fox News on the left, despite various attempts to start one. Lefties for the most part want discussion, debate, and a theoretical agrement on a conclusion.

I think Chomsky said something about how it takes many words to formed a reasoned debate, but only a handful of words to convey a prejudice or an ideology.

So arguing with a freeper is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Not worth it. You can decide to ignore the idiot with the gun, or you can decide to bring a bigger gun or a nuke.

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.

So much this, and with many industries. "Buy American" is impossible. Toyota makes cars here in America for Americans. GM makes cars in Mexico for Americans. GM makes cars in America for Mexicans. Its so complicated that "buying American" really doesn't mean anything.

And I'm just scratching the surface with the term "making cars". Parts are made and shipped all over the world. From outside America to America, From America shipped outside America.

Aye. He said they should go bankrupt. Which is what they did. But, without government-backed loans, they weren't going to get any out-of-bankruptcy financing. No, not Bain Capital or the like either. Does anyone else remember 2008-09? "Cascading credit market lockups" ring a bell?

also, GM is a global company that makes cars all over the world. it's highly unlikely that they're making cars in uzbekistan and shipping them here.

Good luck getting the various derpers to understand that though. They simply can't conceive of the actual complexities of the realities of the modern world. They don't understand the degree to which all economies and really all people are interconnected. The modern reality is that if I am getting richer, so are you, and if you're getting poorer, so am I---and that's thanks to the global nature of the modern economy. The derpers can't understand it, which makes them afraid, and that fear in turn causes them to vote with their emotions and not their minds. And the final product is Teabaggers in the federal government.

This is one of my greatest concerns with modern democracy. The world is becoming an increasingly complex place, but it seems that the majority of its inhabitants really can't maintain a working knowledge of that complexity. We need well-informed voters, and informing voters is an increasingly difficult task.

s2s2s2:"To purchase/subcontract goods/services from an outside supplier or source."

No. That is wrong, just like most nonsense you post. Wiki says it better than I ever could have:

Outsourcing is the process of contracting an existing business process which an organization previously performed internally to an independent organization, where the process is purchased as a service. Though this practice of purchasing a business function - instead of providing it internally - is a common feature of any modern economy, the term outsourcing became popular in America near the turn of the 21st century. An outsourcing deal may also involve transfer of the employees involved to the outsourcing business partner.[1]

Although the definition of outsourcing includes both foreign or domestic contracting,[2] the term is sometimes used exclusively referring to the former. The more clear term for this is offshoring, which is described as "a company taking a function out of their business and relocating it to another country," [3] whether the external country is physically offshore or not.

Amusing story about those, illustrating the utter absurdity that is the global car market and tariffs

We recently bought one for a couple of my workers. We wanted one without windows in the back since they often haul around high value stuff like big TV sets. These are really hard to find, which seems odd in a work van.

Except that they aren't vans. They're cars. There is an ancient tariff (from 1963) called the Chicken Tax that slaps a 25% duty on all imported light trucks. For a TC, this would add ~$6k to the price. So when they are assembled in Turkey, the Turks put in rear windows and a rear seat. This makes it a car, not subject to the duty.

When they arrive off the ship over here, Ford takes out the rear seat and they magically become vans. Since the seats would cost a lot to ship back to Turkey, they are simply thrown into an industrial shredder and recycled.

outsource |ˈoutˌsôrs|verb [ with obj. ]obtain (goods or a service) from an outside or foreign supplier, esp. in place of an internal source: outsourcing components from other countries | (as noun outsourcing) : outsourcing can dramatically lower total costs.• contract (work) out or abroad: you may choose to outsource this function to another company or do it yourself.

s2s2s2:from an outside or foreign supplier, esp. in place of an internal source

Please explain how GM is doing this in this instance. They aren't. They are manufacturing in a different country. They have not replaced any internal good or service. GM is still manufacturing in Detroit. Now they also manufacture in Uzebecki-becki-becki-stan. This is not outsourcing. You are wrong. Again.

Yeah, that's not how definitions work. When I say outsourcing. But you got hung up on the definition quibble instead of hitting the ball I teed up for you: Asia is really the one outsourcing, in this scenario, am I correct?