Kids from academy lmao? These are coaches and managers, grown men and not kids and they probably decided to do this themselves. After all, at least somebody showed a bit of class because that never happens when those farmers from Madrid come to Camp Nou.

Go focus on your team of peasants' trophyless season. I'm looking forward to Liverpool toying with your sorry ass on the CL night. I'm predicting Navas to have a couple brainfarts, he won't sustain the pressure of budget MSN on the counter.

@Myesyats wrote:Kids from academy lmao? These are coaches and managers, grown men and not kids and they probably decided to do this themselves. After all, at least somebody showed a bit of class because that never happens when those farmers from Madrid come to Camp Nou.

Go focus on your team of peasants' trophyless season. I'm looking forward to Liverpool toying with your sorry ass on the CL night. I'm predicting Navas to have a couple brainfarts, he won't sustain the pressure of budget MSN on the counter.

Sigh, the children didn't just do that, they were told by adults to do that. The adults wearing the Real Madrid jackets. Seriously, how can one be so obsessed with this is beyond me. Linetty said the most correct thing: it does not matter.

Barcelona won the double and they blew a 4-1 lead to Roma. Titles already been giving out, this is over.

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@sportsczy wrote:We own Europe...you're champions of a small territory within Europe.

How do those apples taste?

And Barca will never be associated with "class" while Real Madrid always has.

Indeed. The same territory we whoop your @ss in and send you to Europe because that's all you got left.

A club associated with General Franco has no class whatsoever.

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@halamadrid2 wrote:Whoop your arses the 3-0 gift getting to your heads I see. ZZ has lost 2 clasicos in 8. Enjoy your league titles you won against strikerless RM

Franco wishes we were his club. He had to settle for pathetico. Real Madrid were above him.

ZZ has also lost 2 league titles and 3 CdR to Barcelona is the correct view.

Your losing to a no midfield Barcelona for a few years now don't give me that strikerless Madrid nonsense

Franco used you as his club that won't change at the end. You are associated with that dictator.

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@Mr Nick09 wrote:We are associated to him by uneducated people like yourself now posting it twice here.

I think about the poor barcalearning here, he will surely take the propaganda as true. Poor lad

Or maybe its you that is uneducated about the history...

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@Mr Nick09 wrote:We are associated to him by uneducated people like yourself now posting it twice here.

I think about the poor barcalearning here, he will surely take the propaganda as true. Poor lad

Or maybe its you that is uneducated about the history...

it's definitely you bruh, your user is "winter is coming"... This is summer, what a liar

Ok, you got me.

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There are various reasons that have led to this becoming an established discourse, and the role of Barcelona in perpetuating the myth should not be underestimated. The story of Real Madrid’s connections to Franco fits with Barcelona’s preferred narrative, which likes to see the club as symbolising the established order and the conservative, centralised Spain whereas they themselves symbolise democracy and an independent Catalonia – the plucky underdogs, who succeeded in spite of intense persecution from the regime.

Without a doubt, clubs like Barcelona and Athletic Club, who represent Catalonia and the Basque Country respectively, suffered during the regime due to their regions’ demands for their dialects, cultures, and individual identities to be officially recognised. Franco’s Spain was based on centralisation and ethnic, cultural and linguistic homogenisation, and anyone that challenged this was essentially suppressed.

It was for this reason that Athletic Club were in 1941 forced to change their name to Atlético Club – Franco had banned the use of any languages other than Castellano, the official Spanish language, and ‘Athletic’ is a Basque word. Los Leones were also forced to abandon the policy which only allowed Basque-born players to play for the club, an important part of the tradition and heritage of the club.

Against this backdrop of persecution for regional teams, Real Madrid’s treatment might well have appeared preferential. In comparison to troublesome teams like Barcelona and Bilbao, who implicitly rejected the regime, and whom Franco saw as a threat to Spanish national identity, Los Blancos symbolised the power of centralisation and of traditional Spanish language and culture.

By its very nature, a centralising regime is built on the power of its capital, and the Franco regime was centred, politically and economically, around Madrid. For this reason, Real Madrid, as the most successful team in the city, and the most prestigious team of entirely Castilian identity, was always likely to be the preferred team of the dictator.

It was for this reason that the Generalísimo paid regular visits to watch the side in the 1950s and ’60s, especially during their most successful period when, inspired by the majestic Di Stéfano, they won five consecutive European Cups between 1956 and 1960.

However, the suggestion that their success was in some way owed to the regime is almost certainly exaggerated. The common assumption is that Real Madrid were great because Franco supported them, but it would be more accurate to say that Franco supported them because they were great. Real Madrid symbolised everything that Franco stood for – the power of a centralised Spain, the power of Madrid, and the strength of traditional Castilian values.

Real Madrid were a diplomatic and political tool for the dictator, in more ways than one. Firstly, the club’s success, particularly on the European platform, presented an idea of Spain that was far removed from the general perception of the country that was prevalent on the continent. Franco’s regime, although primarily inward-looking, was hugely concerned with the way it was perceived by the rest of Europe, and Real Madrid were the perfect PR tool, projecting an idea of a wealthy, happy and united Spain that was at odds with the reality.

Secondly, his association with and apparent backing of Real Madrid could be used implicitly by Franco as a criticism of Catalonia and the Basque Country, who used football as a way of expressing their cultural and linguistic identities and their dissatisfaction with the regime. Barcelona and Real Madrid, even then, were by far the most successful teams in Spain and any endorsement of Real Madrid, as Franco well knew, was also a rejection of Barcelona, and conversely of Catalonia, whose separatist movement was by far the biggest threat to Spanish national unity in the dictator’s eyes.

Me I think this thread has gotten boring af. Barca are a petty club, we are classier, let's leave it at that you won the league bravo, see in in la Liga next season, although if Zidane is still coaching, congrats in advance

There are various reasons that have led to this becoming an established discourse, and the role of Barcelona in perpetuating the myth should not be underestimated. The story of Real Madrid’s connections to Franco fits with Barcelona’s preferred narrative, which likes to see the club as symbolising the established order and the conservative, centralised Spain whereas they themselves symbolise democracy and an independent Catalonia – the plucky underdogs, who succeeded in spite of intense persecution from the regime.

Without a doubt, clubs like Barcelona and Athletic Club, who represent Catalonia and the Basque Country respectively, suffered during the regime due to their regions’ demands for their dialects, cultures, and individual identities to be officially recognised. Franco’s Spain was based on centralisation and ethnic, cultural and linguistic homogenisation, and anyone that challenged this was essentially suppressed.

It was for this reason that Athletic Club were in 1941 forced to change their name to Atlético Club – Franco had banned the use of any languages other than Castellano, the official Spanish language, and ‘Athletic’ is a Basque word. Los Leones were also forced to abandon the policy which only allowed Basque-born players to play for the club, an important part of the tradition and heritage of the club.

Against this backdrop of persecution for regional teams, Real Madrid’s treatment might well have appeared preferential. In comparison to troublesome teams like Barcelona and Bilbao, who implicitly rejected the regime, and whom Franco saw as a threat to Spanish national identity, Los Blancos symbolised the power of centralisation and of traditional Spanish language and culture.

By its very nature, a centralising regime is built on the power of its capital, and the Franco regime was centred, politically and economically, around Madrid. For this reason, Real Madrid, as the most successful team in the city, and the most prestigious team of entirely Castilian identity, was always likely to be the preferred team of the dictator.

It was for this reason that the Generalísimo paid regular visits to watch the side in the 1950s and ’60s, especially during their most successful period when, inspired by the majestic Di Stéfano, they won five consecutive European Cups between 1956 and 1960.

However, the suggestion that their success was in some way owed to the regime is almost certainly exaggerated. The common assumption is that Real Madrid were great because Franco supported them, but it would be more accurate to say that Franco supported them because they were great. Real Madrid symbolised everything that Franco stood for – the power of a centralised Spain, the power of Madrid, and the strength of traditional Castilian values.

Real Madrid were a diplomatic and political tool for the dictator, in more ways than one. Firstly, the club’s success, particularly on the European platform, presented an idea of Spain that was far removed from the general perception of the country that was prevalent on the continent. Franco’s regime, although primarily inward-looking, was hugely concerned with the way it was perceived by the rest of Europe, and Real Madrid were the perfect PR tool, projecting an idea of a wealthy, happy and united Spain that was at odds with the reality.

Secondly, his association with and apparent backing of Real Madrid could be used implicitly by Franco as a criticism of Catalonia and the Basque Country, who used football as a way of expressing their cultural and linguistic identities and their dissatisfaction with the regime. Barcelona and Real Madrid, even then, were by far the most successful teams in Spain and any endorsement of Real Madrid, as Franco well knew, was also a rejection of Barcelona, and conversely of Catalonia, whose separatist movement was by far the biggest threat to Spanish national unity in the dictator’s eyes.

I'm all for banter and us making fun of each other's shit teams but I don't think we should talk about that wicked and evil man and his "association" with Real Madrid so lopsidedly.

I do agree with that. I guess as some Barca members piss some RM fans off here. There are some RM fans that piss Barca fans off, hence why the ongoing sh!t show goes on.

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Madrid is the most classless club in sports history, everyone knows this. From players and staff leaving trophy celebrations early to "toilet construction works" everytime Bernabeu could be a Copa del Rey venue to not congratulating on Social Media when your rivals win to not appearing to the Ballon d'Or Gala when it's obvious Ronaldo won't win to breaking a longheld Spanish tradition.

But on top of that, imagine the president of La Liga calling out Pique for celebrating "too excessively" as unsporting behaviour" or people losing their shit when Neymar did tricks but not losin a single word about Madrid breaking a long-held tradition.

Spain truly is a banana republic. Fully understand why Catalans would want to leave that shithole.

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