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in '77 when Roy McFall and Piper went on their prolonged streak of wins 6 Open 10 Amateur, he almost seemed unbeatable..

Roy came down to Texas to train with Clint and John Luther in the fall of '76 and spent a considerable amount of time until Nov then went to Phoenix and finished 4th in the Open and won the Amateur..Roy knew Piper was hot and ready to go on a roll, and he was determined to proved to the skeptics that he could win outside of the state of Alaska..I went to a few of the trials in the SoCal area the spring of '77 and Piper was just racking up blue ribbons.(will post up the results later)...the guy that just hated seeing Roy the most was Peter Lane w/Kate...Kate set a record for the most second places that year in the Amateur with an astounding 17 second place finishes almost half were to Piper

Peter Lane /Kate came back and won the National Amateur in '78 ,beating Roy/Kelly, Judy/Honcho and a dog that would win the National that fall in Shadow of Otter Creek with Robert Kennon Jr

I don't see how raising the standards for hunt test will improve the breed. I strongly believe a dog that earned a MH title in the early ninties would still be considered an excellent dog to hunt over today. If you want tougher test run field trials, I think the hunt test program works just fine as is.

John

My thoughts excactly!!! This is what I wanted,alot of input from guys that have seen everything...

And I got to tell everyone now.It was all done for Northerstorm and the other youngsters.
You see Northernstorm is third generation trainer,my boy and the grandson of the late Jim Weitzel.Pretty proud of him and what he`s getting out of dogs.
We train together and unlike my dad and I,don`t fight TOO often.....Ha!!! Jim

My thoughts excactly!!! This is what I wanted,alot of input from guys that have seen everything...

And I got to tell everyone now.It was all done for Northerstorm and the other youngsters.
You see Northernstorm is third generation trainer,my boy and the grandson of the late Jim Weitzel.Pretty proud of him and what he`s getting out of dogs.
We train together and unlike my dad and I,don`t fight TOO often.....Ha!!! Jim

Wow, and here I thought it was only us brother's that went nose to nose went it came to training dogs..and the last time we did that is when he wanted me to wash out my dog Straw ...we dont argue anymore, except when I take sides with my SIL

All my Exes live in Texas

Originally Posted by lanse brown

A few things that I learned still ring true. "Lanse when you get a gift, say thank you and walk away. When you get a screwing walk away. You are going to get a lot more screwings than gifts"

My thoughts excactly!!! This is what I wanted,alot of input from guys that have seen everything...

And I got to tell everyone now.It was all done for Northerstorm and the other youngsters.
You see Northernstorm is third generation trainer,my boy and the grandson of the late Jim Weitzel.Pretty proud of him and what he`s getting out of dogs.
We train together and unlike my dad and I,don`t fight TOO often.....Ha!!! Jim

Glad you said that, I was getting ready to say something to him for talking back to you! .