I know that Ryan is a free agent this year and that talks were broken off before the year began. How is Ryan playing this year? Is he back to his rookie form or he is still struggling with injuries and consistency? Will Denver have him back and will they "break the bank" for him?

If he doesn't get extended, he'll get the Franchise Tag. End of Story. He's been much better this year than the past 2 years. The Patellar injury has hurt him in the long run but he's still a quality player at LT._________________[quote="Reggie Nelson#1"] Radio-"Peyton give the ball to Ball. Ball drops the ball & Ball scoops it up! He's going downfield, TOUCHDOWN! Ball pats him on the back for when he lost the ball."[/quote]

If he doesn't get extended, he'll get the Franchise Tag. End of Story. He's been much better this year than the past 2 years. The Patellar injury has hurt him in the long run but he's still a quality player at LT.

i think he has always been a great pass blocker. last year, in my opinion, really made him improve as a run blocker.

I know that Ryan is a free agent this year and that talks were broken off before the year began. How is Ryan playing this year? Is he back to his rookie form or he is still struggling with injuries and consistency? Will Denver have him back and will they "break the bank" for him?

Contract talks weren't so much "broken off" as they were "shelved" when training camp approached. Elway has repeatedly said that LT is one of the key positions on the field - along with CB, pass rusher and, of course, QB - and he knows how good Clady is. I'm sure Clady will get a long-term deal before free agency begins in March. As R2B said if something unforeseen happens and agreement on a long-term deal isn't reached, Clady will get the franchise tag._________________big_palooka:
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I know that Ryan is a free agent this year and that talks were broken off before the year began. How is Ryan playing this year? Is he back to his rookie form or he is still struggling with injuries and consistency? Will Denver have him back and will they "break the bank" for him?

Contract talks weren't so much "broken off" as they were "shelved" when training camp approached. Elway has repeatedly said that LT is one of the key positions on the field - along with CB, pass rusher and, of course, QB - and he knows how good Clady is. I'm sure Clady will get a long-term deal before free agency begins in March. As R2B said if something unforeseen happens and agreement on a long-term deal isn't reached, Clady will get the franchise tag.

He'll be a Bronco for his career. I'm not really worried about it. We have a ton of cap room still, and you know they expected to have to pay Clady. I think the tabling of the contract talks was more of a "Let's see how you play this year before we talk Joe Thomas coin." Lived up to it so far. I think he's better than Thomas anyway, but that's not the point._________________

I know that Ryan is a free agent this year and that talks were broken off before the year began. How is Ryan playing this year? Is he back to his rookie form or he is still struggling with injuries and consistency? Will Denver have him back and will they "break the bank" for him?

Contract talks weren't so much "broken off" as they were "shelved" when training camp approached. Elway has repeatedly said that LT is one of the key positions on the field - along with CB, pass rusher and, of course, QB - and he knows how good Clady is. I'm sure Clady will get a long-term deal before free agency begins in March. As R2B said if something unforeseen happens and agreement on a long-term deal isn't reached, Clady will get the franchise tag.

He'll be a Bronco for his career. I'm not really worried about it. We have a ton of cap room still, and you know they expected to have to pay Clady. I think the tabling of the contract talks was more of a "Let's see how you play this year before we talk Joe Thomas coin." Lived up to it so far. I think he's better than Thomas anyway, but that's not the point.

He is. I'm not concerned either. No way do they let him go. I doubt he even gets to test the FA Market.

He's returning to his rookie/2nd year form and is back to "top 5" OT Status.

Franklin has been playing very good football the last couple weeks. Ive watched him on the ALL22 dominate quite a lot of plays.

Since this is being brought up, I want to just say Im very glad we drafted Franklin. Most of the time last year and over the offseason, we (and most of the time me) were discussing moving him inside and acquiring another RT. However, he has certainly improved his football abilities at RT or has just gotten more comfortable playing after his rookie year. Since Kuper went down I feel like Franklin has held his own playing next to a terrible player (Ramirez) proving his worth to me. Peyton Manning has been very solid for the very reason his OT's have played quite well this year._________________

PFF I really wish this sight would go away. So many variables that can't be predicted in a game for them to make such wild claims.

Not that Clady isn't a sound LT, he is. I just hate PFF. Same source that ranked Routt just under Revis and Asomugha back in 2010. And recently ranked McClain as the 8th best run stopping MLB. If that were the case, he'd have not been held to 17 snaps against Atlanta after Denver ran it at will in his direction._________________

Franklin has been playing very good football the last couple weeks. Ive watched him on the ALL22 dominate quite a lot of plays.

Since this is being brought up, I want to just say Im very glad we drafted Franklin. Most of the time last year and over the offseason, we (and most of the time me) were discussing moving him inside and acquiring another RT. However, he has certainly improved his football abilities at RT or has just gotten more comfortable playing after his rookie year. Since Kuper went down I feel like Franklin has held his own playing next to a terrible player (Ramirez) proving his worth to me. Peyton Manning has been very solid for the very reason his OT's have played quite well this year.

I have to beg to differ here. Franklin was literally awful against the Patriots. Here are some of my notes re: Franklin from all 22 game film :-

Quote:

1st drive and Orlando Franklin gives us a QB hit on a simple disguised blitz. Jermaine Cunningham is stood up outside of Franklin, with Jerod Mayo in his usual Nickel LB positioning. Cunningham makes out like he is running a wide arc when really he is in man coverage on the RB, whilst Mayo attacks the B gap. Franklin goes to engage Cunningham and Mayo is allowed a free roam into the backfield. Manning throws it away, but it is awful recognition from Franklin.

Annnd Franklin is beat again for the 3rd down sack of Manning. Patriots are bringing 6, but we have Lance Ball into block so we need to be 'hat on a hat'. Everyone other than Franklin is correct in their protection assignment. After letting Mayo breeze up the B gap on the last drive, Franklin goes to block the inside man who is already being blocked by Ramirez. Ninkovich (sp) is therefore allowed to run the arc on Franklin and get to Peyton.

* There goes Franklin getting pancaked on a quick throw ... Trevor Scott this time. Ron Brace is playing on this series. I say playing - he looks very bad out there.

* Franklin did get beat for the strip sack fumble, but Manning held the ball too long. There wasn't anything open downfield so he either has to take off or just protect the ball.

I think he has been our worst Lineman all year, and I actually include Manny Ramirez in that. Sure, there are mental errors that are made that you can excuse from a young player (especially during blitz protection). But his technique isn't good enough to be a starting RT in my opinion. The one thing he doesn't do that is so important for an OT is anchor; he is a dreaded 'waist bender'. Rather than get his butt low to generate the power from his butt/legs, he gets lazy/sloppy with his technique and bends his weight to engage his opponent.

When he gets it right, he obviously has all the physical tools to be a fantastic player. My favourite plays of his are when he and our RG (Ramirez in the games I have watched) double team their man on the LOS and then Franklin peels to the 2nd level and gets after the LB. Orlando has the demeanour to play the position, along with the physical traits. But in my opinion he isn't good enough right now, and Manning has been bailing him out a lot more than people realise._________________

Franklin has been playing very good football the last couple weeks. Ive watched him on the ALL22 dominate quite a lot of plays.

Since this is being brought up, I want to just say Im very glad we drafted Franklin. Most of the time last year and over the offseason, we (and most of the time me) were discussing moving him inside and acquiring another RT. However, he has certainly improved his football abilities at RT or has just gotten more comfortable playing after his rookie year. Since Kuper went down I feel like Franklin has held his own playing next to a terrible player (Ramirez) proving his worth to me. Peyton Manning has been very solid for the very reason his OT's have played quite well this year.

I only got to watch the 1st 4 games jerseybut to me it seemed like he was still playing in mud in pass pro. He did seem a little quicker off the ball, especially in the run game. I did see a couple of items today regarding Kupers return:

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lomaxgr wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

Franklin has been playing very good football the last couple weeks. Ive watched him on the ALL22 dominate quite a lot of plays.

Since this is being brought up, I want to just say Im very glad we drafted Franklin. Most of the time last year and over the offseason, we (and most of the time me) were discussing moving him inside and acquiring another RT. However, he has certainly improved his football abilities at RT or has just gotten more comfortable playing after his rookie year. Since Kuper went down I feel like Franklin has held his own playing next to a terrible player (Ramirez) proving his worth to me. Peyton Manning has been very solid for the very reason his OT's have played quite well this year.

I have to beg to differ here. Franklin was literally awful against the Patriots. Here are some of my notes re: Franklin from all 22 game film :-

Quote:

1st drive and Orlando Franklin gives us a QB hit on a simple disguised blitz. Jermaine Cunningham is stood up outside of Franklin, with Jerod Mayo in his usual Nickel LB positioning. Cunningham makes out like he is running a wide arc when really he is in man coverage on the RB, whilst Mayo attacks the B gap. Franklin goes to engage Cunningham and Mayo is allowed a free roam into the backfield. Manning throws it away, but it is awful recognition from Franklin.

Annnd Franklin is beat again for the 3rd down sack of Manning. Patriots are bringing 6, but we have Lance Ball into block so we need to be 'hat on a hat'. Everyone other than Franklin is correct in their protection assignment. After letting Mayo breeze up the B gap on the last drive, Franklin goes to block the inside man who is already being blocked by Ramirez. Ninkovich (sp) is therefore allowed to run the arc on Franklin and get to Peyton.

* There goes Franklin getting pancaked on a quick throw ... Trevor Scott this time. Ron Brace is playing on this series. I say playing - he looks very bad out there.

* Franklin did get beat for the strip sack fumble, but Manning held the ball too long. There wasn't anything open downfield so he either has to take off or just protect the ball.

I think he has been our worst Lineman all year, and I actually include Manny Ramirez in that. Sure, there are mental errors that are made that you can excuse from a young player (especially during blitz protection). But his technique isn't good enough to be a starting RT in my opinion. The one thing he doesn't do that is so important for an OT is anchor; he is a dreaded 'waist bender'. Rather than get his butt low to generate the power from his butt/legs, he gets lazy/sloppy with his technique and bends his weight to engage his opponent.

When he gets it right, he obviously has all the physical tools to be a fantastic player. My favourite plays of his are when he and our RG (Ramirez in the games I have watched) double team their man on the LOS and then Franklin peels to the 2nd level and gets after the LB. Orlando has the demeanour to play the position, along with the physical traits. But in my opinion he isn't good enough right now, and Manning has been bailing him out a lot more than people realise.

While I dont agree that hes been the worst OL, Ill have to go back and watch the NWE tape. Ive been very busy with tape study for my team and havent gotten around to the last 2 games. From what I remember though, I do remember seeing Franklin having more positive plays then negative ones. Maybe thats what Im trying to get at._________________