They voted to allow discussion of the bill. What is there about discussing the bill that scares people? Could it be that they are afraid that there is absolutely NOTHING in the bill that would allow the government to "grab guns"? I ask the fear mongers on this board to please show us what in the Manchin - Toomey bill allows the government to "grab guns".

The way I understand it, the proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System without ever telling the patient he or she has been added. No due process requirement. What if there is a mistake and your doctor flags you as having mental illness without your knowledge? You may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns in some states. That's one reason for some to fear it.

They voted to allow discussion of the bill. What is there about discussing the bill that scares people? Could it be that they are afraid that there is absolutely NOTHING in the bill that would allow the government to "grab guns"? I ask the fear mongers on this board to please show us what in the Manchin - Toomey bill allows the government to "grab guns".

The fact that our 2nd amendment rights are even being debated at all is in a word, ridiculous. The only reason folks have any rights is because of guns. Our leaders are sworn to protect these rights. Not try to take them away.

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Thursday, a state Supreme Court Judge ruled guns seized from David Lewis, 35, must be returned to him after he was incorrectly identified as violating the mental health provision of the SAFE Act.

“We know that from the health care agency to the State Police, there was some kind of breach,” said Lewis’ attorney, Jim Tresmond.

Why were they taken?

Tresmond says his client was ordered to turn in his weapons last week because he was once on anti-anxiety medication, which is a violation of the SAFE Act. Wednesday, State Police informed the Erie County Clerk’s Office that it made a mistake when it said Lewis was in violation of the state’s new gun law.

As I said, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns in some states and that's why some fear it. And, here is another part of the problem.

The NY SAFE Act requires “mental health professionals, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, to report if an individual they are treating is likely to engage in conduct that will cause serious harm to him- or herself or others.”

If such a determination is made, “the Division of Criminal Justice Services will determine whether the person possesses a firearms license and, if so, will notify the appropriate local licensing official, who must suspend the license. The person’s firearms will then be removed.”

The law has come under fire from gun-rights advocates as well as mental health professionals, who fear the new law discourages people from seeking professional help for mental health issues.

They voted to allow discussion of the bill. What is there about discussing the bill that scares people? Could it be that they are afraid that there is absolutely NOTHING in the bill that would allow the government to "grab guns"? I ask the fear mongers on this board to please show us what in the Manchin - Toomey bill allows the government to "grab guns".

"The ATF doesn’t just want a huge database to reveal everything about you with a few keywords. It wants one that can find out who you know. And it won’t even try to friend you on Facebook first."
"Many other specific requirements are also to be expected for a federal law enforcement agency: searching names, phone numbers, “nationwide utility data” and reverse phone searches. The data will then be collected to help out during investigations and provide “relevant information and intelligence products.” There’s no hint the database is to be used to track gun sales, which is a big part of the ATF’s job, as the bureau is prohibited by law from establishing a centralized electronic database for gun purchases."