Meatwad: It's too early to tell right now, but at the moment it's hard to distinguish So's career from, say, Andre Volokitin's at his age. Both fantastically talented, but Andrei seemed to reach his limits for one reason or another and never quite cracked the very top. Will So do the same? Time will tell. Anyways, wasn't he knocked out of this like eight rounds ago?

Boratco: <logic courtesy of anyone who thinks that a 2650-player <generally> is as strong as a 2700-player, because "frogbert claims that 40-50 points make no difference" (implicitly: regardless of context).

i must be really, really dumb ...>

Yeah, I must be really really dumb not to understand what you said, and now claim you didn't. You must have said it a million times (exagerated a bit) in Magnus Carlsen page and here. Oh well, there we go again, flip flopping all the time. Sometimes we do fail to remember things we said, I would be grateful when medical tech finds a cure to Alheismerz (wrong speling) disease.

I think the only thing that you haven't repeated was your proposal for the qualifiers which went from here to there within 2 months.

Okay, Mr. Frogbert, give them numbers and I almost forget, give them green cards, that is if you remember.

laskerian: <Boratco>: I also think my fact are wrong...and inaccurate, I can't remember all on top of my head but it's more like it. Bu-So I think is 1-1, So-Ivanchuk 1.5-.5 same with Kamsky and could have easily been a 2-0 if Gm Wesley So isn't a nice guy.:D)

Wesley So is a very good chess player, but please do not make it look like just because he beat Ivanchuk and Kamsky in a similar KO tournament before, he is already better than the 2. Only 2 battles do not make a war. I am pretty sure that in a long match,say at least 12 games, sooner or later it will become clear that Ivanchuk and Kamsky were simply off-axis at that time. People have down periods, and Wesley caught the two in theirs.

For all your fanaticism, you already seem to think that 2 games make a database. If that is valid, we might as well decide the world championship by a single "winner-takes-all-the-marbles" game. Speaking of overhead costs, I think a lot of sponsors will like that idea.

I am not sure, but was it also you (or someone else) who remarked that Wesley is at par with Gelfand (just because he drew the 2 games they played)? Even a high school student who conducts experiments in his science class knows that after 2 trials, he cannot yet make a valid conclusion.

I want to emphasize that Wesley has the potential to make it great someday, but at this point, even Wesley himself will probably admit that Kamsky, Gelfand and Ivanchuk are simply better players than him. Well, as far as I remember, even Kosteniuk managed to beat Carlsen in a blitz game, but does that make her the better player? Happy, yes...but better? In a distorted world, maybe.

bigatin: <For all your fanaticism, you already seem to think that 2 games make a database. If that is valid, we might as well decide the world championship by a single "winner-takes-all-the-marbles" game. Speaking of overhead costs, I think a lot of sponsors will like that idea.>

You're right...maybe Wes is better...it's a pity we would never know at his point in time...The organizers would rather invite Gelfand and all other guys with the bloated elo's ...Will never give Wes a chance...

But to "inferno" with them organizers.

Wes has made himself participant to the coming World Blitz Championship this November.

Along with the other 5 qualifiers in the Aeroflot blitz, they take their podium rightfully deserved...

While the rest of the combatants from the Tal Memorial are again chosen from them bloated <bureaucrat> puffer fishhttp://www.google.com.ph/search?tbm... not need to qualify the hard way...their bloated elos saved them the day.

<laskerian:> Sorry? When did I say Gm Wesley So is better than Ivanchuk and Kamsky? As far as I can remember, I am just pointing out the he is playing way above his elo rating by holding his ground against the elite. Never that I said he is better than anyone except his current rating.

I think you need to read the whole scenario to understand which way I am coming from instead of only part of the exchanges.

<Ivanchuk and Kamsky were simply off-axis at that time.> Only them can say if they are off axis or not, and if they know for sure they are off axis like you said, they should have stayed home. Why even bother going to the tournament.

HSOL: Given So's ELO rating has been pretty much been the same for the last two years, surely overall he's NOT playing better than his ELO, but playing just about as good as his ELO indicates he should?

Players going through vast improvement quickly might be underrated, but So has remained at pretty much the same level for 2 years and about 200 games. I would say that's indicative he's not rated far from his "true" rating.

If So performs better than his rating against 2700+ and about zero movement in rating overall, it means he performs worse than expected against another rating group, so the same argument can be used to say he's overrated.

Kanatahodets: <There are dozens of players in a similar situation -- strong grandmasters who don't have the potential to reach the very top.>
Wesley So is young and he has potentials to reach the very top. In the end; it took ages for Fischer to become the best. On the other hand I am pretty sure that Svidler, Ivanchuck, Pono and Gris will never reach the very top. So, chances for Wesley are at least non-zero For these four very nice and super strong guys chnaces sum up to epsilon which can be made arbitrarily small. This doesnt mean anything offensive. P.S. The very top means WC and/or top rated stability.

Matsumoto: Fisher - who's that? If he had been around today and had had the guts to play (which would be highly doubtful) he would have been thoroughly crushed by any player above round-abouts the 2600 level - without a shread of doubt any 2700+ player would smash him even blindfold.

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