ajunior148 wrote:Taking Karasev will be a wasted draft pick. The guy is going to immediately become the most unathletic guy on the roster of whatever team drafts him. He won't be able to see the floor to use his shooting ability.

I don't think he ever finds his way into a significant role on a NBA rotation. Just too poor of an athlete.

ajunior148 wrote:Taking Karasev will be a wasted draft pick. The guy is going to immediately become the most unathletic guy on the roster of whatever team drafts him. He won't be able to see the floor to use his shooting ability.

I don't think he ever finds his way into a significant role on a NBA rotation. Just too poor of an athlete.

Eye, I really respect your knowledge of NBA basketball. And you are certainly known for your strong stances and your taking to task when posters change their tune. You know, I don't really care that you changed your stance. I really don't. The only reason I brought it up is that is ironic because you always call others out on things like this. I kinda think its a little comical. However, I am sorry, but your stance on Len going from

e0y2e3 wrote:Fuck Len, soft as motherscratcher. There is one thing the Cavs could do to ruin my semblance of faith in them. That thing is drafting Len.

to

e0y2e3 wrote:As for Len and Noel, meh.,, here's to the right MRI winning!

is clearly quite a drastic change. Both guys were injured when you made you initial comments as well.

Wow. Its no biggie to me. But that's a change of stance. Going from no way they should draft Len to its a toss-up on MRIs is a change. But you're inability to admit that this is a change is your failure. Your calling it my failure is your greater failure.

Again, I don't really care. It is what it is.

Do both of you guys see that lil "PM" button on the upper right corner?

He was trolling trying to catch me in something I never said JB, that stuff doesn't get PM'd.

As I said again yesterday, picking Len over a healthy Noel would be an atrocity and would be done because Gilbert wants playoffs next year rather than to wait. That would be a disgusting failure. If Noel's not healthy I don't give a fuck what they do, but going for a substitute 7 footer just because you aren't patient would be disgusting.

This Pelicans deal is certainly interesting. #1 for #6 (whoever is left of Noel, Len, Porter, Peedo, McLemore and Bennet), an unprotected #1 next year and Grevis Vazquez who is actually a damn good PG.

e0y2e3 wrote:This Pelicans deal is certainly interesting. #1 for #6 (whoever is left of Noel, Len, Porter, Peedo, McLemore and Bennet), an unprotected #1 next year and Grevis Vazquez who is actually a damn good PG.

They would give up an unprotected first in the Wiggins sweepstakes? For someone in this turd sandwich of a draft?

New Orleans would have to be on crack to make that deal, highly doubt it without at least Top 5 protection on next year's pick. And even then it would be dumb. #1 through #6 looks as interchangeable as ever, you get to pay the pick a little less, and Vazquez is a legitimate asset like you said.

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e0y2e3 wrote:This Pelicans deal is certainly interesting. #1 for #6 (whoever is left of Noel, Len, Porter, Peedo, McLemore and Bennet), an unprotected #1 next year and Grevis Vazquez who is actually a damn good PG.

It was swell of the Cavaliers to remind me that there is an NBA team named the Pelicans.

However, I see no other practical benefit to anyone for taking the time to make this offer.

e0y2e3 wrote:This Pelicans deal is certainly interesting. #1 for #6 (whoever is left of Noel, Len, Porter, Peedo, McLemore and Bennet), an unprotected #1 next year and Grevis Vazquez who is actually a damn good PG.

It was swell of the Cavaliers to remind me that there is an NBA team named the Pelicans.

However, I see no other practical benefit to anyone for taking the time to make this offer.

I think I might even trade down from 1 to 6 just for Vazquez. That's how much this draft sucks.

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The King situation was an abortion, can't really hold that again him too much. And Houston acquired him with the sole intent of flipping him in the future, not to keep him. His ceiling certainly isn't what it was thought to be last year but T-Rob has absolutely not been in ideal situations to develop.

Oh and the craziest rumor out there today is Mike Browns loving Bennet, who can score for sure but is undersized to play the four and too slow to guard SFs. Guy is going to be a major defensive headache to whoever takes him.

If the Pelican deal is legit, it'd be done already if it were me. No question whatsoever. That's a steal in my opinion.

UNLESS

They checked out Noel and are supremely confident in his rehab and future.

To not do the deal for Alex fuckin Len would be nothing short of a disaster. And I'm not sold that Bennett is the one that's there at 6.

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OldDawg wrote:I just heard talk of Cavs trade #1 for #4 and Kidd-Gilchrest.

You serious Clark?

Clark? It was one of the trade rumors thrown out on the 6:00 news. First and only time I'd heard it.

I don't doubt for a second that it was thrown out there by someone somewhere. It just seemed completely ridiculous. Like it was dreamed up by Costanza or something. I mean, if MKG was coming out this year, wouldn't he be by far the #1 pick?

I liked MKG less than others, but I think you're getting a little caught up in e0's hyperbole.

Nerlens Noel is a fine pick at #1 if his knees aren't made out of mashed potatoes. Oladipo & Porter are both really nice players. I'd put McLemore ahead of MKG too, but only because I liked Barnes more than MKG last year, and McLemore basically =s Barnes at SG, IMO.

This doesn't have to be a situation where we all jump off a building if Nerlens' knee is a complete mess.

The interesting aspect of this draft, to me, is that it is well known that the advanced draft analytics have played a huge role in the Cavs drafts under Grant. This year all of the analytics have Noel at one and pretty much hate Len, yet we seem to be looking at the Cavs taking Len.

e0y2e3 wrote:The interesting aspect of this draft, to me, is that it is well known that the advanced draft analytics have played a huge role in the Cavs drafts under Grant. This year all of the analytics have Noel at one and pretty much hate Len, yet we seem to be looking at the Cavs taking Len.

Woot!

(analytics also hate McLemore)

Encouraging!

I don't subscribe to ESPN Insidaz anymore, and I'm pretty sure the guy who did those rankings left anyway--do you know how The Maths like Oladipo & Porter?

Were the mathy rankings from the last two drafts that coincidentally seemed to match Grant's board based on WARP, though? I don't remember. I do remember that Hollinger had separate rankings for smalluns & bigguns.

Either way, I'd be pretty content with Otto Porter as a surprise pick if Nerlens' knee is just too sketchy.

e0y2e3 wrote:The interesting aspect of this draft, to me, is that it is well known that the advanced draft analytics have played a huge role in the Cavs drafts under Grant. This year all of the analytics have Noel at one and pretty much hate Len, yet we seem to be looking at the Cavs taking Len.

Woot!

(analytics also hate McLemore)

This is what I have used to convince myself that we aren't taking Len (who I actually wouldn't mind later in the lotto). This team has made all its high draft choices based on analytics, and I have yet to see a system that rates Len highly with analytics.

Without the ACL, Noel is far and away the number 1 pick in this draft. Easy choice.

Crap! It's not too far of a stretch at all that we could draft 2 of the top 3 analytics by staying pat. I once joked on here about drafting Kentavious Caldwell-Pope because he must be a cousin of Barkevious Mingo, who the Brownies drafted in the 1st round. It seems that KCP's stock has risen during the past couple months, though. Many early mocks had him going right around our #19 pick, while more recent mocks having him not making it that far.

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What I like about that is that Noel might be shelved for the year and if we stash #19, we are back in the Wiggins sweepstakes with a decent number of ping pong balls. Although at some point during the rest of my lifetime I hope to be pulling for a championship and not for more ping pong balls.

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This feels like Noel or Porter to me. We haven't heard anything at all about Porter and the Cavs, and if there's one thing Grant likes to do it's spread disinformation around. I don't think the Cavs are all that serious about Len...I think it's just Grand spreading BS.