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Re: Bleach 522 Discussion / 523 Predictions

Originally Posted by Duniak

He is not a type to be so scared, that he wouldn't be able to think clearly. By overcoming his fear he will not hesitate, he will do anything what it takes to win, but strategy is something you think of beforehand, not in a midst of battle. Of course, situational judgement is important as well, but Byakuya never had a problem with that.

He may not be the type to be scared, but Ass Nodt's letter isn't F for nothing. That's the difference between all of former Byakuya's performance and the fight against Ass Nodt.
And I agree that strategy is something you don't usually think up in the midst of battle, but that's hard when you don't really know anything about the opponent except it's a quincy and has stolen your bankai.

Anyway, from the state Byakuya's in now, a huge powerup would be even regaining consciousness
And regarding the thread title: is the other option Byakuya becoming a beauty?

Defeating bankai with its shikai is possible, since the wielders of bankais can't nearly tap their full potentials. Yama pulled that (not that it means anyone can pull that, but his disappointment showed us that Koukou Konryou Rikyuu in Driscoll's hands was nothing compared to it in Sasakibe's).

The bigger problem is that Ass Nodt seems like a formidable fighter against shikai Byakuya (he wounded Byakuya and not the other way around, but it was far from lethal) even without using SZK, so tactic like speedblitzing isn't as easy as it seems. Byakuya needs to get at least the psychological advantage of expecting SZK to be used against him and expecting the thorns to cause fear, and ideally a way to counter SZK. I can see him winning then.

My apologies for needing to correct, but Byakuya did wound As Nodt with his shikai, and only began to lose the battle when he used his bankai and it was stolen.

Beacuse common sense doesn't apply anymore does it? Byakuya still has much to learn. He hasn't reached his limit.
Hinamori can also reach the shinigami limit (she may or she may not, it's up to her) but that would probably take much longer than it took Aizen or maybe even Yamamoto.

Ichigo is a different chatacter (the main character) not bound to the limits of a shinigami so a failed point you made...again.

Mm, true. I wonder if he had BV on (since he wasn't attacking at that point).
Still, it doesn't really change my opinion that there's no big difference in levels of base Ass Nodt and shikai Byakuya.

The other SR warned him not to get careless, but I don't know if we can directly interpret it as not having BV on or not.
There shouldn't be, otherwise, there will be no stopping to this invasion with the second wave.

First of all, show me where is my post wrong. I wrote exactly what happened. You have serious problems with understanding english language, pal. Wouldn't be surprised if you had problems with your own language as well.

He missed, Shunsui dodged, almost killed him. Shunsui doesn't even look serious and he himself stated, that he tried to act cool, not getting serious, but SR got him right back then. And when he was getting serious...

It doesn't look like he was caught for the second time. And Quincy is bleeding from his stomach. Damn, that's a lot of blood. And judging by his age, he has to be an experienced Quincy.

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Beacuse common sense doesn't apply anymore does it? Byakuya still has much to learn. He hasn't reached his limit.

Much to learn? Hasn't reached his limit? You just keep saying it over and over again. Prove me he can or just stop writing that garbage.

He already showed few forms of his bankai, multiple variations of it, used Yoruichi's techniques. More blades? Faster control? How can his bankai develop?

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Hinamori can also reach the shinigami limit (she may or she may not, it's up to her) but that would probably take much longer than it took Aizen or maybe even Yamamoto.

It doesn't matter how long it would take her. That's not relevant. You have no proof, that Hinamori can't have bigger potential or can't get stronger than Byakuya. If you have, show me, or shut it. No matter how hard Byakuya would train he still has a limit, that he is bound to. Hinamori might have higher limit and get stronger than him.

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Ichigo is a different chatacter (the main character) not bound to the limits of a shinigami so a failed point you made...again.

I love when some idiot tries to act cool and wants to show how superior he is.

I wrote, that he mastered his Hollow side as well. Dangai level was completely mastering his Zanpakuto and Hollow. It doesn't matter how high that limit was, he reached it. Despite problems with Hollow he reached it in few months. If you can't understand such a simple sentence then you should go back to school, really.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

Well, if byakuya is to face nodt again without his own bankai then the situation is that he will definitely need some sort of improvement. Overall it is simply not possible for him to oppose as nodt without a bankai, he would need to go to that fight thoroughly prepared. I don't think he will have a chance to actually kill nodt without bankai so he would at least need an strategy to get his bankai back. In all odds it is very likely that mayuri and urahara will soon figure out how the badges work and how to get bankai back. Byakuya is almost certainly going to be stronger after the current events considering the spring treatment seems to take healing to another level and he is also certainly going to get a taste of kirio's food. I don't think the boost will be gargantuan or anything of the sort but it should at least be strong enough so that an actual strategy is plausible when he has a rematch with nodt. As far as mental issues I don't think byakuya is the sort to get down. His pride was basically destroyed, the byakuya we know is likely to want to redeem himself, not hide himself in shame.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

Byakuya fought zomari, the one who defeated rukia was arroniero. Zomari was about to finish of rukia but was stopped by byakuya. Byakuya hardly had his hands full with zomari though, zomari barely lasted moments in the face of byakuya's bankai and his special ability was dealt with by a lonely kido. As far as nodt goes it is kinda unfair to say he was owned. He definitely was however that is the only possible scenario left to a captain without his bankai when fighting a fellow captain level fighter with bankai or volstandig.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

Originally Posted by kkck

Byakuya fought zomari, the one who defeated rukia was arroniero. Zomari was about to finish of rukia but was stopped by byakuya. Byakuya hardly had his hands full with zomari though, zomari barely lasted moments in the face of byakuya's bankai and his special ability was dealt with by a lonely kido. As far as nodt goes it is kinda unfair to say he was owned. He definitely was however that is the only possible scenario left to a captain without his bankai when fighting a fellow captain level fighter with bankai or volstandig.

Also, I doubt ichigo is ginger....

its confirmed hombre

ichigo is a ginger, he may however be a daywalker which means he can walk out in the sun and does not have freckles

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

Originally Posted by Firebird0ne

Judgng by Renji's current performance vs Mask, yes, Byakuya will be a monster with a capital M! No two ways about it!

I agree judgiing by what Renji is doing against Mask, Byakuya will probably at the level of a very powerful senior captain level with an overwhelming increase in reiatsu, speed, physical strength and maybe strategic fighting skills. If Shunsui and Ukitake die he might be the one to become the new captain commander of Soul Society at the end of this war.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

Originally Posted by Hakuteiken

That was his Shikai that has been shattered. Shikai can be broken and then it regains its own form by time, unlike Bankai.
The shattering of his Shikai was an indication of his weakened reiatsu at that point, I suppose. Perhaps like Bankai canceling itself on its own without the user intending to do so, when the wielder is close to death.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

If Renji advanced from being severely hurt from one kick to tanking tons of even stronger attacks without even trying, then Byakuya should be way above senior captains by now. Somewhere close to Yamamoto. Assuming progression was as great as Renji's.

Re: Will Byakuya become a beast?

That kind of growth wouldn't make sense for only a side character, unless there were stronger opponents in hiding... but if he lost his zanpakuto completely then the power boost would be legit, since he'd have to rely on his Shihouin techniques and kidou to put up a fight.

And I'd be cool with that. Just because Byakuya's my favorite character doesn't mean he has to be the same Byakuya from the beginning of the series. His moveset can be shaken up as long as the personality and skill remains. He could even fight with a second-hand zanpakuto if necessary. Tousen did. Or a plain old sword picked up in the RP. Just saying that there's a possibility that his zanpakuto is gone completely based on what Mayuri said. I mean, Mayuri's sword wasn't in shikai when that happened, but neither was Byakuya's. It had returned to it's sealed state, but was missing the blade because it was broken.