That's true. I have always been intrigued by iRiver, but to be honest I was thinking of the Walkman Z with up to date screen res and SD slots, with better Audio chips. Extremely wishful thinking but hey, I would like to see what comes from this thread if anything

Would people mind if it's hard drive based or ssd? I know that apple sell the 160 and it's possible to get a 240 drive (223 available in reality). Depending on size and cost would people mind that in the player or not?