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Councillor steps down over gay marriage

A LONG-SERVING Tory councillor will be stepping down at the next election citing his party’s views on gay marriage as a key reason behind his decision to leave politics.

Hadleigh councillor Cliff Brunt, who has stood for Victoria ward for ten years, will be retiring from local politics next May after choosing not to contest his seat on Castle Point Council for another term.

He said the legalising of same-sex marriage in July prompted his decision not to stand. He explained: “It was a sad for day this country when it was passed. I am a Christian and my view is that marriage should be between a man and a woman.”

Fellow Tory councillor Mark Flewitt, who is openly gay, said he was disappointed.

On hearing the news he said: “It is a real shame and a waste of all his political efforts. If two people of the same sex want to be together in marriage in 2013 why ý Cliff Brunt – ready shouldn’t they be?”

The Bible makes very few mentions of homosexuality - lesbianism isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament - interpretations of the verses that do exist differ hugely ie

In the Old Testament between David and Jonathan. One verse reads: "I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women."
This is a clear indication that King David had a gay relationship, and to pretend otherwise is naive.

Similarly, the tale of Sodom is often debated. In it, Lot has two angels staying in his house. The men of Sodom surrounded the house. "They called to Lot and asked him where the men were who had entered his house that night. 'Bring them out,' they shouted, 'so that we might have intercourse with them.'"
To protect his visitors from an act which Lot describes as "wicked", he offers the crowd his two virgin daughters instead. The crowd are not satisfied and break the door down - the angels then make the intruders blind and Sodom is eventually destroyed by "fire and brimstone".
Of course the men's behaviour was wicked, but it was wicked because it's a tale of sexual assault and rape. When Jesus mentions Sodom, hundreds of years later, it appears to be in a context of a discussion of hospitality, rather than one of sexual morality.

There are several verses in the Bible which are similarly contested - there are however a much smaller number of seemingly clear statements. The most famous of them is probably from Leviticus: "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination."
A pro-gay argument might say that other verses in the same book forbid a wide range of sexual activities. This is an indication that the passage embodies specific cultural values rather than God's law

Jesus himself says nothing explicitly about homosexuality. There are though two statements by him which have been interpreted as having a bearing on the subject.
" man shall leave his father and mother, and be made one with his wife; and the two shall become one flesh."
Jesus is actually talking about the sanctity of marriage.not queer bashing.

Later in the same conversation, after Jesus has spoken about divorce, the disciples say to him it is better not to marry at all. Jesus says: "That is something which not everyone can accept, but only those for whom God has appointed it. For while some are incapable of marriage because they were born so, or made so by men, there are others who have themselves renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Let those accept it who can.
This shows that Jesus is more concerned with people looking after their own relationship with God, than with enforcement of rules. The reference to being "born so" indicates that heterosexual marriage is fine for those who are heterosexual, but it's OK to be different. Again and again Jesus reaches out to those on the margins of society, like prostitutes and tax collectors, to include them.

Paul later writes: "Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolator, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers of drunkards of slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
A pro-gay position might be that the word Paul uses for homosexual here could alternatively be translated as "male prostitute". In any case, Paul's writings are clearly of his time, and there are plenty of other verses which people have no difficulty in ignoring - for instance: "a woman brings shame on her head if she prays or prophesies bare-headed; it is as bad as if her head were shaved." This should be viewed like that.

Everything is open to interpretation.

The Bible makes very few mentions of homosexuality - lesbianism isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament - interpretations of the verses that do exist differ hugely ie
In the Old Testament between David and Jonathan. One verse reads: "I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women."
This is a clear indication that King David had a gay relationship, and to pretend otherwise is naive.
Similarly, the tale of Sodom is often debated. In it, Lot has two angels staying in his house. The men of Sodom surrounded the house. "They called to Lot and asked him where the men were who had entered his house that night. 'Bring them out,' they shouted, 'so that we might have intercourse with them.'"
To protect his visitors from an act which Lot describes as "wicked", he offers the crowd his two virgin daughters instead. The crowd are not satisfied and break the door down - the angels then make the intruders blind and Sodom is eventually destroyed by "fire and brimstone".
Of course the men's behaviour was wicked, but it was wicked because it's a tale of sexual assault and rape. When Jesus mentions Sodom, hundreds of years later, it appears to be in a context of a discussion of hospitality, rather than one of sexual morality.
There are several verses in the Bible which are similarly contested - there are however a much smaller number of seemingly clear statements. The most famous of them is probably from Leviticus: "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination."
A pro-gay argument might say that other verses in the same book forbid a wide range of sexual activities. This is an indication that the passage embodies specific cultural values rather than God's law
Jesus himself says nothing explicitly about homosexuality. There are though two statements by him which have been interpreted as having a bearing on the subject.
"[A] man shall leave his father and mother, and be made one with his wife; and the two shall become one flesh."
Jesus is actually talking about the sanctity of marriage.not queer bashing.
Later in the same conversation, after Jesus has spoken about divorce, the disciples say to him it is better not to marry at all. Jesus says: "That is something which not everyone can accept, but only those for whom God has appointed it. For while some are incapable of marriage because they were born so, or made so by men, there are others who have themselves renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Let those accept it who can.
This shows that Jesus is more concerned with people looking after their own relationship with God, than with enforcement of rules. The reference to being "born so" indicates that heterosexual marriage is fine for those who are heterosexual, but it's OK to be different. Again and again Jesus reaches out to those on the margins of society, like prostitutes and tax collectors, to include them.
Paul later writes: "Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolator, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers of drunkards of slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
A pro-gay position might be that the word Paul uses for homosexual here could alternatively be translated as "male prostitute". In any case, Paul's writings are clearly of his time, and there are plenty of other verses which people have no difficulty in ignoring - for instance: "a woman brings shame on her head if she prays or prophesies bare-headed; it is as bad as if her head were shaved." This should be viewed like that.
Everything is open to interpretation.supermadmax

supermadmax wrote:
The Bible makes very few mentions of homosexuality - lesbianism isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament - interpretations of the verses that do exist differ hugely ie

In the Old Testament between David and Jonathan. One verse reads: &quot;I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women."
This is a clear indication that King David had a gay relationship, and to pretend otherwise is naive.

Similarly, the tale of Sodom is often debated. In it, Lot has two angels staying in his house. The men of Sodom surrounded the house. "They called to Lot and asked him where the men were who had entered his house that night. 'Bring them out,' they shouted, 'so that we might have intercourse with them.'"
To protect his visitors from an act which Lot describes as "wicked", he offers the crowd his two virgin daughters instead. The crowd are not satisfied and break the door down - the angels then make the intruders blind and Sodom is eventually destroyed by "fire and brimstone".
Of course the men's behaviour was wicked, but it was wicked because it's a tale of sexual assault and rape. When Jesus mentions Sodom, hundreds of years later, it appears to be in a context of a discussion of hospitality, rather than one of sexual morality.

There are several verses in the Bible which are similarly contested - there are however a much smaller number of seemingly clear statements. The most famous of them is probably from Leviticus: "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination."
A pro-gay argument might say that other verses in the same book forbid a wide range of sexual activities. This is an indication that the passage embodies specific cultural values rather than God's law

Jesus himself says nothing explicitly about homosexuality. There are though two statements by him which have been interpreted as having a bearing on the subject.
" man shall leave his father and mother, and be made one with his wife; and the two shall become one flesh."
Jesus is actually talking about the sanctity of marriage.not queer bashing.

Later in the same conversation, after Jesus has spoken about divorce, the disciples say to him it is better not to marry at all. Jesus says: "That is something which not everyone can accept, but only those for whom God has appointed it. For while some are incapable of marriage because they were born so, or made so by men, there are others who have themselves renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Let those accept it who can.
This shows that Jesus is more concerned with people looking after their own relationship with God, than with enforcement of rules. The reference to being "born so" indicates that heterosexual marriage is fine for those who are heterosexual, but it's OK to be different. Again and again Jesus reaches out to those on the margins of society, like prostitutes and tax collectors, to include them.

Paul later writes: "Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolator, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers of drunkards of slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
A pro-gay position might be that the word Paul uses for homosexual here could alternatively be translated as "male prostitute". In any case, Paul's writings are clearly of his time, and there are plenty of other verses which people have no difficulty in ignoring - for instance: "a woman brings shame on her head if she prays or prophesies bare-headed; it is as bad as if her head were shaved." This should be viewed like that.

Everything is open to interpretation.

The next step is it will be compulsory

[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote:
The Bible makes very few mentions of homosexuality - lesbianism isn't mentioned at all in the Old Testament - interpretations of the verses that do exist differ hugely ie
In the Old Testament between David and Jonathan. One verse reads: "I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; dear and delightful you were to me; your love for me was wonderful, surpassing the love of women."
This is a clear indication that King David had a gay relationship, and to pretend otherwise is naive.
Similarly, the tale of Sodom is often debated. In it, Lot has two angels staying in his house. The men of Sodom surrounded the house. "They called to Lot and asked him where the men were who had entered his house that night. 'Bring them out,' they shouted, 'so that we might have intercourse with them.'"
To protect his visitors from an act which Lot describes as "wicked", he offers the crowd his two virgin daughters instead. The crowd are not satisfied and break the door down - the angels then make the intruders blind and Sodom is eventually destroyed by "fire and brimstone".
Of course the men's behaviour was wicked, but it was wicked because it's a tale of sexual assault and rape. When Jesus mentions Sodom, hundreds of years later, it appears to be in a context of a discussion of hospitality, rather than one of sexual morality.
There are several verses in the Bible which are similarly contested - there are however a much smaller number of seemingly clear statements. The most famous of them is probably from Leviticus: "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination."
A pro-gay argument might say that other verses in the same book forbid a wide range of sexual activities. This is an indication that the passage embodies specific cultural values rather than God's law
Jesus himself says nothing explicitly about homosexuality. There are though two statements by him which have been interpreted as having a bearing on the subject.
"[A] man shall leave his father and mother, and be made one with his wife; and the two shall become one flesh."
Jesus is actually talking about the sanctity of marriage.not queer bashing.
Later in the same conversation, after Jesus has spoken about divorce, the disciples say to him it is better not to marry at all. Jesus says: "That is something which not everyone can accept, but only those for whom God has appointed it. For while some are incapable of marriage because they were born so, or made so by men, there are others who have themselves renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of Heaven. Let those accept it who can.
This shows that Jesus is more concerned with people looking after their own relationship with God, than with enforcement of rules. The reference to being "born so" indicates that heterosexual marriage is fine for those who are heterosexual, but it's OK to be different. Again and again Jesus reaches out to those on the margins of society, like prostitutes and tax collectors, to include them.
Paul later writes: "Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolator, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers of drunkards of slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
A pro-gay position might be that the word Paul uses for homosexual here could alternatively be translated as "male prostitute". In any case, Paul's writings are clearly of his time, and there are plenty of other verses which people have no difficulty in ignoring - for instance: "a woman brings shame on her head if she prays or prophesies bare-headed; it is as bad as if her head were shaved." This should be viewed like that.
Everything is open to interpretation.[/p][/quote]The next step is it will be compulsoryJohn Bull 40

I See It All wrote:
I am fortunate enough to have Cliff as my councillor, dare I suggest that defeat at the hands of UKIP is a more likely reason. He wont be missed.

He don't like it up 'im...

[quote][p][bold]I See It All[/bold] wrote:
I am fortunate enough to have Cliff as my councillor, dare I suggest that defeat at the hands of UKIP is a more likely reason. He wont be missed.[/p][/quote]He don't like it up 'im...Howard Cháse

LastLaugh,,, wrote:
He didn't step down over pensioners dying of cold...or rising food banks or disabled being penalised or bedroom tax or or or.. but ...gay marriage.

all tory policies, even gay marriage don't you know.

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
He didn't step down over pensioners dying of cold...or rising food banks or disabled being penalised or bedroom tax or or or.. but ...gay marriage.[/p][/quote]all tory policies, even gay marriage don't you know.profondo asbo

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?LastLaugh,,,

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?InTheKnowOk

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?LastLaugh,,,

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..InTheKnowOk

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

Then why stand down if thats the case?

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..[/p][/quote]Then why stand down if thats the case?LastLaugh,,,

Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.

Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.Democrat

Democrat wrote:
Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.

the only glaring omission from your rant is any reference to the daily mail. shurely shome mishtake?

[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote:
Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.[/p][/quote]the only glaring omission from your rant is any reference to the daily mail. shurely shome mishtake?profondo asbo

Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.Jack222

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I don't agree with gay marriage and I certainly do not think that legislation should ever be created on a minorities say so. Marriage should be the union of a man and woman and the main purpose is for procreation. Certain orifices of the body have a biological function and as such should stay that way.

[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with gay marriage and I certainly do not think that legislation should ever be created on a minorities say so. Marriage should be the union of a man and woman and the main purpose is for procreation. Certain orifices of the body have a biological function and as such should stay that way.fletch12107

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

you forgot muslim bullying or are you singling out the christians for specific criticism? maybe you'd find practising homosexuality more to your taste in saudi?

[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]you forgot muslim bullying or are you singling out the christians for specific criticism? maybe you'd find practising homosexuality more to your taste in saudi?profondo asbo

If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?

If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?

Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?

If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.

Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.

And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?

Kind Regards

Ed

PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.

Dear Councillor Cliff Brunt,
If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?
If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?
Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?
If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.
Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.
And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?
Kind Regards
Ed
PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.Ed Woods

Everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs and are free to live their lives how they see fit, however some go on to use the bible as "evidence" to reinforce their already held prejudiced views.

Having leglislation in place to give minority groups the same rights as everyone else in no way devalues the lives and marriages of the majority... unless of course they're insecure or unhappy with what they've got in the first place. How dare everyone be equally happy.

Good riddance to this bigot.

Faith is an individual choice, but being part of a minority is not.
Everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs and are free to live their lives how they see fit, however some go on to use the bible as "evidence" to reinforce their already held prejudiced views.
Having leglislation in place to give minority groups the same rights as everyone else in no way devalues the lives and marriages of the majority... unless of course they're insecure or unhappy with what they've got in the first place. How dare everyone be equally happy.
Good riddance to this bigot.x2k

The fact is that this Councillor was right to wait until the local elections. The cost of a bye-election is considerable, and would fall on the local tax payers.

Also remember that a significant minority of British Psychiatrists believe that homosexuality is a clinical illness! That it is not within normal limits of human behaviour.

The fact is that this Councillor was right to wait until the local elections. The cost of a bye-election is considerable, and would fall on the local tax payers.
Also remember that a significant minority of British Psychiatrists believe that homosexuality is a clinical illness! That it is not within normal limits of human behaviour.rhowes

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

Then why stand down if thats the case?

I guess you would have to ask him that ...

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..[/p][/quote]Then why stand down if thats the case?[/p][/quote]I guess you would have to ask him that ...InTheKnowOk

Democrat wrote:
Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.

It's that repugnant smell again ...

[quote][p][bold]Democrat[/bold] wrote:
Such ignorance being displayed on this thread. The councillor shows no Christian values of tolerance or adherence to the Ten Commandments. Many of the comments show again how bigoted and out of touch with reality some of the Echo readers are.[/p][/quote]It's that repugnant smell again ...InTheKnowOk

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..

[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..InTheKnowOk

If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?

If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?

Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?

If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.

Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.

And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?

Kind Regards

Ed

PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.

'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..

[quote][p][bold]Ed Woods[/bold] wrote:
Dear Councillor Cliff Brunt,
If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?
If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?
Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?
If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.
Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.
And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?
Kind Regards
Ed
PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.[/p][/quote]'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..InTheKnowOk

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

Then why stand down if thats the case?

I guess you would have to ask him that ...

Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..[/p][/quote]Then why stand down if thats the case?[/p][/quote]I guess you would have to ask him that ...[/p][/quote]Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?LastLaugh,,,

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

Then why stand down if thats the case?

I guess you would have to ask him that ...

Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?

he's a "politician". of course he's a hypocrite.

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..[/p][/quote]Then why stand down if thats the case?[/p][/quote]I guess you would have to ask him that ...[/p][/quote]Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?[/p][/quote]he's a "politician". of course he's a hypocrite.profondo asbo

If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?

If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?

Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?

If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.

Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.

And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?

Kind Regards

Ed

PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.

'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..

So if he is so disgusted with gay marriage that he is leaving politics, why has he kept his mouth shut until now - 5 months after it became law and won't be stepping down until June 2014. Hardly principled opposition.

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ed Woods[/bold] wrote:
Dear Councillor Cliff Brunt,
If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?
If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?
Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?
If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.
Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.
And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?
Kind Regards
Ed
PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.[/p][/quote]'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..[/p][/quote]So if he is so disgusted with gay marriage that he is leaving politics, why has he kept his mouth shut until now - 5 months after it became law and won't be stepping down until June 2014. Hardly principled opposition.Ed Woods

If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?

If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?

Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?

If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.

Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.

And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?

Kind Regards

Ed

PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.

'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..

So if he is so disgusted with gay marriage that he is leaving politics, why has he kept his mouth shut until now - 5 months after it became law and won't be stepping down until June 2014. Hardly principled opposition.

Write and ask him why if you are that concerned

[quote][p][bold]Ed Woods[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ed Woods[/bold] wrote:
Dear Councillor Cliff Brunt,
If you were so disgusted at Gay Marriage why didn't you resign in July 2013 when the legislation was passed? Why don't you resign now?
If you are a man of principle why haven't you resigned and why are you remaining a Councillor until the elections in June 2014?
Perhaps it is because you have your greedy snout in the trough of tax payers cash and you want to continue receiving your Councillors Allowances and expenses until next June?
If you are such a Christian man of principle then you would have made a stand and resigned as a Councillor when the legislation was passed in July 2013 instead you remain as a Councillor filling your bank account with taxpayers cash for another 6 months.
Your so called stand now is a bit late - you horse has well and truly bolted.
And why didn't you speak up at the time this legislation was being debated?
Kind Regards
Ed
PS I have found a minority are happy with gay marriage, a minority are sad with gay marriage but the overwhelming majority are indifferent and don't really care.[/p][/quote]'greedy snout in the trough'??? .. you couldn't be further from the truth you ignorant twonk ..[/p][/quote]So if he is so disgusted with gay marriage that he is leaving politics, why has he kept his mouth shut until now - 5 months after it became law and won't be stepping down until June 2014. Hardly principled opposition.[/p][/quote]Write and ask him why if you are that concernedInTheKnowOk

I read your comment and thought "what's he on about?" so scrolled back up to the photo.

For some reason your comment cracked me up hahaha

[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
who is the bloke in the Range Rover.?[/p][/quote]LOL!
I read your comment and thought "what's he on about?" so scrolled back up to the photo.
For some reason your comment cracked me up hahaha_Lotus_

But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?

His religion?

His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?

Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..

Then why stand down if thats the case?

I guess you would have to ask him that ...

Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?

he's a &quot;politician". of course he's a hypocrite.

Brother can you spare an honest politician

[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
Fair play to him .. Least he's not a hypocrite ..[/p][/quote]But why does he feel so much more about what he has stood down for than the other things mentioned?[/p][/quote]His religion?[/p][/quote]His religion stresses that a stance against gay marriage is more important than a stance against the worsening of everyday conditions for people?[/p][/quote]Councillors are very limited in regard to saving the world from all it's problems ..[/p][/quote]Then why stand down if thats the case?[/p][/quote]I guess you would have to ask him that ...[/p][/quote]Then he might indeed be a hypocrite for all we know?[/p][/quote]he's a "politician". of course he's a hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Brother can you spare an honest politicianLastLaugh,,,

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..

i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..[/p][/quote]i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).profondo asbo

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..

i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).

Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddy

[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..[/p][/quote]i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).[/p][/quote]Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddyInTheKnowOk

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..

i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).

Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddy

Happy New Year to you both, thanks for your help

[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..[/p][/quote]i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).[/p][/quote]Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddy[/p][/quote]Happy New Year to you both, thanks for your helpDr Martin

The whole point is that a civil partnership is fine but that is as far as it should go. After all- marriage is a civil partnership it is just called a marriage too. Whilst I have no problem with someone being gay or a lesbian which i have in my own family it is just that a marriage with a marriage cert should only be between a man and a woman.

The whole point is that a civil partnership is fine but that is as far as it should go. After all- marriage is a civil partnership it is just called a marriage too. Whilst I have no problem with someone being gay or a lesbian which i have in my own family it is just that a marriage with a marriage cert should only be between a man and a woman.jolllyboy

Jack222 wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.

Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.

I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..

i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).

Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddy

Happy New Year to you both, thanks for your help

thanks and to you both. i feel sure they'll be plenty of action in 2014!

[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fine, dont agree with gay marriage. Your choice. But dont stop others who want to do it. Their choice and it only impacts on them.
Tolerance is needed. The age of Christian bullying should be over.[/p][/quote]I for one don't agree with it, and you're wrong, it doesn't only have an impact on 'them' .. What about gay couples who now adopt kids?, I knew someone who had two ';mums', they were ridiculed to such an extent at school that they tried to top themself ..[/p][/quote]i completely agree with you ITKOK. this is the thin end of the wedge. whatever medical science will allow will be the next goal. forget ethics...they are a lifetime away (behind us (and i'm a fwd thinker)).[/p][/quote]Cheers Asbo ... Happy New Year to you buddy[/p][/quote]Happy New Year to you both, thanks for your help[/p][/quote]thanks and to you both. i feel sure they'll be plenty of action in 2014!profondo asbo

ive no objection to gays getting "married" in a civil ceremony in a registry office or some such, but when it moves into churches thats not on. are we going to insist that gay muslims be allowed to get married in a mosque? or jews in a synagogue?

ive no objection to gays getting "married" in a civil ceremony in a registry office or some such, but when it moves into churches thats not on. are we going to insist that gay muslims be allowed to get married in a mosque? or jews in a synagogue?niki-loo

I have been an active Temple Card Holding Member of the Mormon Church now for over 30 years. Religion, especially controlling cult ones like the Mormon church, have been the cause of absolute misery, even suicide amongst its young members who also happen to be gay.
The Mormon church should be forced to accept young gay Mormon men as complete equals enjoying all the privileges of membership without any further prejudice, or the church should be completely and totally dismantled.
Then there will be no more young Mormon boys committing suicide or being forced to leave home, because their church and worse of all, their very own families through strict church influence, reject them.

I have been an active Temple Card Holding Member of the Mormon Church now for over 30 years. Religion, especially controlling cult ones like the Mormon church, have been the cause of absolute misery, even suicide amongst its young members who also happen to be gay.
The Mormon church should be forced to accept young gay Mormon men as complete equals enjoying all the privileges of membership without any further prejudice, or the church should be completely and totally dismantled.
Then there will be no more young Mormon boys committing suicide or being forced to leave home, because their church and worse of all, their very own families through strict church influence, reject them.2exclaim

Bigotry isn't the preserve of the Right... it's more likely to utter from a Leftie gob.

As usual, the INtolerance is shown here for anybody who disagrees with the current status quo.

Of course being anti gay marriage makes you a homophobic bigot. WRONG. I have a gay friend who doesn't agree with gay marriage so what would you hand wringing lefties say to him?

Bet that one's got you stumped eh....

Bigotry isn't the preserve of the Right... it's more likely to utter from a Leftie gob.
As usual, the INtolerance is shown here for anybody who disagrees with the current status quo.
Of course being anti gay marriage makes you a homophobic bigot. WRONG. I have a gay friend who doesn't agree with gay marriage so what would you hand wringing lefties say to him?
Bet that one's got you stumped eh....Kim Gandy

ozshrimper wrote:
This thread reminds me why I live elsewhere than Hadleigh.

Is Hadleigh not the HQ for the Salvation Army and there staunch Christian beliefs....?

[quote][p][bold]ozshrimper[/bold] wrote:
This thread reminds me why I live elsewhere than Hadleigh.[/p][/quote]Is Hadleigh not the HQ for the Salvation Army and there staunch Christian beliefs....?Bernard Fatsack