I’ve heard of Adlai Stevenson, the two time loser presidential nominee of the democrat party in 1952 and 1956, and former governor of Illinois. He was also the UN ambassador who devastated the Soviets at the UN during the Cuban missile crisis (that was a good one [hehehe], not repeated until Amb Jeane Kirkpatrick reached the UN).

Here’s one falsehood from Files, a major one, that was discovered by the assassination author Edward Jay Epstein:

“NBC retained me as a consultant for their planned story on Files. I hired the detective firm of Jules Kroll. JK established from telephone records Files was in Chicago, not Dallas, on November 22,1963. We then placed a call to Files from Dick Clark’s office (DC was producer), and I interviewed Files about Kroll findings. He said he had a twin brother, who no one knew about, and whom he met shortly before November 22, and who he murdered after November 22. He said it was his twin brother in hospital with his wife, not him. His wife, however, said there was no twin, and Kroll confirmed there was no twin. My view then and now is that Files invented the story for the money it would earn him.”

Can you provide me with some documentation to these quotes of James Files, that you just referenced ?

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Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:25:54 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8328986Files stated that he and Oswald were in New Orleans in 1961 and involved in a gun running operation.

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Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:16:28 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8328967I’m still waiting for ANYONE to tell me that this guy is a “lyin’ devil”, or whatever it is that you believe about him
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Would you (or anyone else here) say that the James Files testimony is someone just trying to gain his five-minutes-of-fame? Or possibly an attempt at ‘truth-sabotage’, to “muddy-the-water”, and make it harder for anyone to get to the real truth?

listens2glenn on July 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

]]>By: SteveMGhttp://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/25/time-for-another-liberal-right-wingers-killed-jfk-story/comment-page-3/#comment-8328885
Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:38:54 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8328885Russell attended almost none of the WC hearings – he was busy with his Senate duties which included fighting the 1964 Civil Rights Bill – and his understanding of what the WC believed happened, as noted above, was completely mistaken.

In fact, Russell believed that the Soviets or Cubans were involved – not the CIA or elements of the US government as many conspiracy advocates believe. We’ve learned over the past half century that the Soviets were not involved (the KGB files on Oswald were released by Yeltsin) and there has been no evidence that Castro was involved, although this is much less clear.

For some reason the conspiracy crowd focuses on the Warren Commission and ONLY the Warren Commission and ignore all of the subsequent investigations since then. The Clark Committee, the Rockefeller Commission, the HSCA and numerous investigations by the media. They all show that Oswald fired the three shots that day. And no one else fired any shots that struck JFK (the HSCA conclusion that a fourth shot was fired has been, in my view, been shown to be completely wrong).

It was so compelling, I had to watch it twice to make sure I didn’t miss anything. I spent 25 years in law enforcement and the evidence presented in this documentary as to what actually occurred was an “aha” moment for me.

Johnson :
Well, what difference does it make which bullet got Connally?

Russell :
Well, it don’t make much difference. But they said that … the commission believes that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connally. Well, I don’t believe it.

Johnson :
I don’t either.

Russell :
And so I couldn’t sign it. And I said that Governor Connally testified directly to the contrary, and I’m not going to approve of that. So I finally made them say there was a difference in the commission, in that part of them believed that that wasn’t so. And of course if a fellow was accurate enough to hit Kennedy right in the neck on one shot and knock his head off in the next one … and he’s leaning up against his wife’s head … and not even wound her … why, he didn’t miss completely with that third shot. But according to their theory, he not only missed the whole automobile, but he missed the street! Well, a man that’s a good enough shot to put two bullets right into Kennedy, he didn’t miss that whole automobile. … But anyhow, that’s just a little thing, but we …

Johnson :
What’s the net of the whole thing? What’s it say? That Oswald did it, and he did it for any reason?

Russell :Well, just that he was a general misanthropic fellow, that he had never been satisfied anywhere he was on earth … in Russia or here. And that he had a desire to get his name in history and all. I don’t think you’ll be displeased with the report. It’s too long, but it’s a … whole volume.

Johnson :
Unanimous?

Russell :
Yes, sir. I tried my best to get in a dissent, but they’d come round and trade me out of it by giving me a little old thread of it.

LBJ-Richard Russell (a Warren Commissioner) on the phone, 9-18-64

A “general misanthropic fellow…desire to get his name in history and all”. Quite an astonishing motive. But again, why would he deny what he accomplished?

It would seem that the Warren Commission did their job very well in the end. Fifty years later, millions still believe this garbage. Guess it makes them feel comfy and snuggly in their beds at night.

Among other things they show that Oswald did no spy work for the Soviets: at any time. Not while he was in the Marines at Atsugi Air Base or when he was in the Soviet Union. In fact they show that the KGB never formally debriefed Oswald either. They asked him some questions but determined that he had nothing of use.

The KGB thought he was just an oddball, a nothing. They monitored him quite closely at first as they thought he might be a CIA agent. But they determined that he was “a nothing.”

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Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:26:09 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8327786So whoever killed JFK and for whatever reason, America’s “internal social contradictions” (Marxists do like to use the “contradiction” term; it sounds so sophisticated, Hegel and all that) are to blame?

unforeseen and explosive consequences of the interaction between the United States’ malignant internal social contradictions and its reactionary and sinister post-World War II role as the world’s leading imperialist power.

Sheesh, the old leftwing blame America first. And second, and third.

How about this: a lone crank, a man who regularly beat his wife and felt he didn’t get the recognition he deserved, a person who was disenchanted with the world and his place in it, took a rifle and shot the person who represented that world he hated?

As Lee Oswald’s brother explained it: “If Lee had stayed in the Soviet Union he would have ended up shooting Khrushchev.”

Oswald was a misfit; wherever he went he wouldn’t have been happy.

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Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:11:19 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8327755All of the arguing over the specific details of the conspiracy only serves to obscure the deeper implications of the assassination. As the SEP’s David North put it:

The United States is a country with many dark secrets. It may be the case that the American people will never know who killed Kennedy. But the deeper causes of his death can be explained. The assassination of Kennedy suddenly, in one terrible moment, confronted Americans with the unforeseen and explosive consequences of the interaction between the United States’ malignant internal social contradictions and its reactionary and sinister post-World War II role as the world’s leading imperialist power.

But no one has ever adequately addressed how he got the job he did where he did over a year before Kennedy showed up that da

He got the job in October of 1963. That was before the President’s visit was announced and well before the motorcade route was even determined.

In any case, he also was accepted for another job at the same time. He could have taken that one instead. And when he took the job at the schoolbook depository, the supervisor (Roy Truly) had to decide whether to assign him at that building or another one further away. He decided to assign Oswald to the TSBD. And Oswald accept the job.

So many things had to go right in order for the conspiracy to be pulled off. Things that no one could have controlled.

For example, how did the conspirators – the “real” killers – know how to frame Oswald? How did they know he was even in the building at the time? That he would be alone? That he wouldn’t be with other people and have an airtight alibi? No one thinks the schoolbook building was filled with CIA agents or people watching Oswald. That’s silly.

It is literally impossible – in my opinion – to have a conspiracy of the type that many conspirators claim. It involves too many people and relies too much on luck to be able to work.

And if the folks at Discovery wanted to show that Mary Todd Lincoln shot her husband and not Booth, they could make a very compelling argument I’m sure.

Documentaries are always trying to push a certain viewpoint…they’re like 60 Minutes or other such LSM-made shows-they look so logical and have the aura of TRVTH. But they will dismiss or simply omit whatever is not convenient to their argument. Obviously the conspiracy theory documentaries are no different and should be taken with a grain of salt.

And he certainly could have been the only shooter…no one should discount that possibility. But from what I gather, this was not a man who was chosen for this kind of work due to his remarkable marksmanship. I think his job was to plant evidence to lead investigators away from others.

Motive could be that he was carrying out a Russian ‘black-op’, or a personal grudge, either one relating to the “Cuban Missile Crisis.”

One way or another, it does seem to come back to the Cuban goings on and the JFK administration.

But no one has ever adequately addressed how he got the job he did where he did over a year before Kennedy showed up that day. Anywhere along the route would have been fortuitous, but the TSBD was just way too fortuitous. Also, given how LHO has been painted, it’s also fortuitous that he hung on to that job as long as he did.

Too many people simply saw too many weird things going on that day to be dismissed, and several of those people didn’t live much longer after ’63.

The fact remains no one has ever reproduced the shots Oswald supposedly made. No one. Not ever.

Old eagle on July 25, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Welp, that’s BS. I’ve seen the exact shot replicated on every Discovery Channel documentary on the assassination that I’ve ever seen.

The shot was 88 yards, the limo was moving at 10mph away from Oswald in a direct line with the barrel of the rifle, and the street itself has a slight decline which facilitates the shot insofar as it eliminates the need to raise the barrel as the target moves farther away. We assume Oswald was aiming at the head, which means out of three attempts he only hit the target once. It was a cake shot that has been replicated hundreds of times by shooters of all skill levels.

Martin Luther King JR. was shot by a democrat KKK sympathizer, James Earl RAY

sniffles1999 on July 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM

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Don’t agree with that … but I have no hard evidence to back it up … only my “gut”.
I totally believe LBJ “had a hand” in bringing about the assassination of MLK, and I believe the motive for MLK’s assassination was the hi-jack of the Civil Rights movement, by leftists.
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It has been the progressives, and the left who are the murders and assassins. Not Conservatives.

sniffles1999 on July 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM

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Well, there ya’ got me … I cannot, and do not argue that.

]]>By: SteveMGhttp://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/25/time-for-another-liberal-right-wingers-killed-jfk-story/comment-page-3/#comment-8327366
Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:35:52 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8327366In late September of 1963, Oswald and his wife moved to Ft. Worth/Dallas for economic reasons. He was hoping that there would be better job opportunities there.

He had almost no money, no car, no TV, no possessions of any value. He and his wife had to live apart due to his lack of money.

And people still think he was working for the CIA? Or FBI? Were they paying him or was he doing this for free?

Anyway, when he moved to Dallas a Quaker pacifist friend – Ruth Paine – helped them move and took in Marina. Oswald moved his belongings into the Paine garage for storage while he lived in a rooming house under an assumed name (this was one of the reasons the FBI didn’t know where he lived).

Among those belongings was the rifle that was determined to be the weapon used to kill JFK. ONLY Lee and Marina Oswald knew where that rifle was. ONLY Lee and Marina Oswald knew where he placed it. ONLY Lee and Marina Oswald knew where to retrieve it.

That rifle turned up in the sniper’s nest of the 6th floor. Marina Oswald stayed home the day of the assassination. Oswald went to work carrying a long package.

The only person who could have brought it there was the only person who knew where it was and went there: Lee Oswald.

After shooting JFK, Oswald – and ONLY Oswald – left the building within three minutes. Other workers who worked there left – one was a man named Charles Givens – but they later returned and Oswald was the ONLY person who was alone and in the building at the time of the shooting who left.

No other worker who was in the building and alone left.

Oswald left within three minutes. He showed no interest in the shooting at all. None. He then took a bus – that was caught up in traffic as the police were blocking streets – then he took a cab to his rooming house. There, he rushed in, changed shirts and grabbed his revolver. He then left.

Later, he shot a police officer who stopped him for questioning. Numerous witnesses saw him shoot the officer or rush from the scene with his revolver. Oswald then went into a theater – again, showing no interest in the shooting of the president – where he was arrested. During the arrest he tried again to shoot a policeman.

If you think all of this is evidence of an innocent man then you’re not thinking straight.

In my view, Oswald was a Federal intelligence asset of some type. I think there were a lot of them there that day. I don’t believe he was a shooter of any kind.

At any rate, no clear motive was ever established for Oswald carrying out the assassination. NONE. The best folks can come up with is that he was a dismal failure and wanted to be famous…odd that he didn’t brag about shooting the President on the news when he had several chances to do so.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2014 at 4:38 AM

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Why couldn’t he be a shooter, among others ?

Motive could be that he was carrying out a Russian ‘black-op’, or a personal grudge, either one relating to the “Cuban Missile Crisis.”
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I’ve seen enough of the investigations done using stand-ins for elevation, motorcade speed, dummies situated in the car and all the rest of it from the beginning of Oswald’s life to the investigation of Jack Ruby, and it leaves it clear that one man could operate the rifle that well for the short distance involved and that all the evidence stacks up with the known ballistics and trajectories from a single point in the book depository.

Would you (or anyone else here) say that James Files testimony is someone just trying to gain his five-minutes-of-fame? Or possibly an attempt at ‘truth-sabotage’, to “muddy-the-water”, and make it harder for anyone to get to the real truth?

]]>By: easyt65http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/25/time-for-another-liberal-right-wingers-killed-jfk-story/comment-page-3/#comment-8327252
Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:00:59 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8327252JFK once declared this nation would pay any price, make any sacrifice to stand for freedom and with those fighting for it. This led many Conservatives to believe he was really a Republican…especially when you compare him to modern day liberals like Obama. Obama ordered our military to help Al Qaeda take over Libya, heloed the Muslim Broyherhood take over Egypt, tried to help Islamic Extremists taje over Syria, released 5 top Taliban leaders so thet could return and try to help take back over Afghanistan, and did nothing while ISIS began its Caliphate by taking over the nation we just liberated at great cost. Obama believes we should pay any price, make any sacrifice anything to help TERRORISTS and those who OPPOSE freedom. If you’re looking for possible Kennedy Assasin, try looking at such Liberals as Obama and his home-grown terrorist buddies who bombed their own country and killed cops.
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Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:16:54 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=479955#comment-8327224MrKleenexMuscles on July 27, 2014 at 3:49 AM

Oswald was the only employee that left the depository after the shooting.

Howard Brennan had seen a white male in the window prior to the shooting and looked up again during the shooting to see him fire the fatal shot. Seconds later he told Officer Baker what he had seen and Baker rushed into the building and confronted Oswald ninety seconds after the shooting.

Where are the curtain rods Oswald claimed to carry into the building? All that was found was a rifle belonging to Oswald.

Oswald’s motive was politics and opportunity. He already had tried to assassinate Gen Walker as a political act. Now the ultimate opportunity came rolling under his window. At lunchtime no less.

Jackie was right. Circumstance had allowed JFK to be taken out by a silly communist.