rjohnson741:
If eternal death and eternal torment are true then death claims a huge victory over millions possibly billions of sentient beings in the lake of fire since according to eternal torment they remain dead in their sins forever. If eternal death and eternal torment are true then the 15th Chapter of 1st Corinthians ceases to have any real meaning. But the 15th Chapter of 1st Corinthians makes it perfectly clear that sin and death are not victorious in God's universe. The wages and sting of sin is death and "death is swallowed up in victory." Thus Paul taunts the defeated power with the rhetorical question "Where O Death is thy victory? Where O Death is thy sting?" If God's revealed will for the salvation of all is frustrated, if God's revealed will to make all alive is frustrated, if God's revealed will to be all in all is frustrated in even one instance because of sin and death, then death can truthfully answer-----"HERE I AM. MY VICTORY IS RIGHT HERE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE" But this is a rhetorical question. The question is not suppose to have a reply. There should be complete silence since death is a defeated enemy.

WhiteWings:
It's hard for me to be silent. So please allow me to speak just one word.

Welcome!

rjohnson741:
Thanks for the welcome. Hope we have some good discussions.

lomarah:
When WW says hard what he really means is impossible. :wink2:

Welcome!

Lazarus Short:
If death and hell are cast into the Lake of Fire, then how can anyone still be dead after that happens? And how can hell (the grave) still exist after that? That which is implied can be just as important as that which is obviously stated.