The number of Pally's brought to a raid, vs. how many Disc, has largely been ignored by the "Disc haters" (like yourself) that constantly infest every single thread on this forum.

Paragon used a MW/Disc on their first Lei Shen kill. Method used MW, Disc, Shaman, Druid, Pally. No guild used "2 Paladins" on any progress fight other than perhaps Council, and that was primarily just to lolcheese the Frostbite (and 25 man mode only). In 5.4, I can heartily say if Paladins aren't buffed any more they're going to be the weakest healer in 25 man HC. By a large margin. It'll basically be, bring 2-3 Discs, 1 Shaman, 1 Druid/MW. #Winning. Guilds wont do this of course, but that would easily be the most "efficient" group of healers. I just love how naive you are that you think Disc isn't grossly overpowered yet all data proves it. It's mind boggling, really.

Paragon used a MW/Disc on their first Lei Shen kill. Method used MW, Disc, Shaman, Druid, Pally. No guild used "2 Paladins" on any progress fight other than perhaps Council, and that was primarily just to lolcheese the Frostbite (and 25 man mode only). In 5.4, I can heartily say if Paladins aren't buffed any more they're going to be the weakest healer in 25 man HC. By a large margin. It'll basically be, bring 2-3 Discs, 1 Shaman, 1 Druid/MW. #Winning. Guilds wont do this of course, but that would easily be the most "efficient" group of healers. I just love how naive you are that you think Disc isn't grossly overpowered yet all data proves it. It's mind boggling, really.

You might just wanna stop posting falsities and quit while you're ahead. But, sure, go ahead and play "Where's Waldo?"...I mean Disc Priest. Here's a hint though: there's not even a white block on anyone's raid frames which means...BENCH ALL THE PRIESTS!

And "naive" isn't even close to an insult coming from you, especially since I never spoke about the power of Discs. I just merely mentioned that everyone conveniently ignores that a similar number of Paladins were brought for progression as well.

Edit: in fact, looking through Method's other videos, Ra-Den seems to be the ONLY fight in which Priest healers outnumber Pally healers. All other fights are 2Priest/2Pally, or 1Priest/2Pally, with varying representations of Druids, Monks, and Shaman. Of these, I didn't care to try and determine which Priests were Holy or Disc, btw. Interesting to note: one Disc (I am assuming) for Dark Animus

So, yet again, it looks like what we really need is less people pulling random numbers out of space.

Floopa just has no clue. You can safely ignore everything he posts. Disc is nowhere near as strong in 25m as it is in 10m. Several encounters in this tier were dominated from the start by holy. I looked at the logs everyday and some of the first logs posted in the first 3 weeks for hc kills were with holy priests without a single disc priest in the raid.

Disc is popular for a number of reasons, including that there are many more 10mans than 25mans and people automatically think that absorbs >>> everything else without actually checking that this is true.

The SS-nerf is a small drop in throughput for 25man disc priests, but since holy 25man is so much stronger now we are going to see an even greater HPS disparity next tier. Lets see if that gets people to really give holy a try rather than continue to be blinkered by the "absorbs are teh l33t" mentality, even in encounters where they actually don't make any difference realistically.

Personally I maintain and use both specs, so it really does not matter, except for the annoyance of constantly reforging.

I think that the SS nerf is actually going to cause real issues in 25 mans, as it leaves 0 room for error when someone is going into a SS rotation. So if anything happens that makes you move, etc, you're going to have wasted the cast. Disc will still be strong, of course, because it's Disc and bubbles and Barrier, but it's a source of aggravation.

I have a guy in my guild who does nothing but trash talk Holy and went so far as to change his offspec to Shadow to avoid having to play Holy ever (even on Tortos). So I think there will be some people who refuse to try Holy regardless of the situation (he literally told me that my spec doesn't exist ).

I don't understand this nerf. The problem with disc is that it's extremely good in 10 mans this nerf relates more to 25 than 10. Disc throughput is on par or dare I say even a bit weaker than other non absorb classes. Do something about 10m disc not 25.

Just wait till you get legendary cloak in 5.4 (which you can get on day 1 as it is currently), throughput healers eat absorb healers for breakfast with that overpowered proc. Seeing it's results on ptr was just amusing. I'm expecting the proc will get more changes cause the way it rewards overhealing classes is just stupid.

you do realize top 100 parses are people who usually alter the fight in some way to rank, like less healers or use no cds, ect.

I thought that until I started getting top 50ish and some in the 10-20s on almost every fight by spec anyways and I've never tried to rank ever and we usually heal with more than we need to (IE never 5 heal farm content)

Usually the whole exploit to rank thing is more true of dps but even then we have a few number one and top ten ranks on fights that those people just did their rotation they didn't get any special buffs and we didn't kill it especially fast either.

Maybe top 3 in most cases are the way you assume but definitely not top 100

I think that the SS nerf is actually going to cause real issues in 25 mans, as it leaves 0 room for error when someone is going into a SS rotation. So if anything happens that makes you move, etc, you're going to have wasted the cast. Disc will still be strong, of course, because it's Disc and bubbles and Barrier, but it's a source of aggravation.

I have a guy in my guild who does nothing but trash talk Holy and went so far as to change his offspec to Shadow to avoid having to play Holy ever (even on Tortos). So I think there will be some people who refuse to try Holy regardless of the situation (he literally told me that my spec doesn't exist).

Then again, he says bubble spam in Wrath was the best fun ever. lol

Well according to the percentage of holy priests on 10m, he's not that far off. Even on 25m, where the spec shines the most, its the least played spec by quite a margin.

Well according to the percentage of holy priests on 10m, he's not that far off. Even on 25m, where the spec shines the most, its the least played spec by quite a margin.

Not much shine in 10m as overall SS has proved to be consistently stronger in 10's vs 25's and the play style of atonement makes it overall easier to meet the earlier tier progression curves. Not too far off in 25's in terms of pure strength but as mentioned in previous threads, holy has its moments in ToT HC and overall I play it down to preference, way more fun a spec to play imho.

5.4 will shake things up in either sense mixed with what Isheria has been saying about the cloak but as to whether it goes live or not is another question but hoping there is more/all fights where Holy is a viable option without gimping progression or playing 2nd fiddle to disc.