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I don't really get some of these credits. If Stephen Lipson is just a "music producer", then how can he have done a cue all by himself? And I thought Satnam just did percussion, not actually help the composition.

Interesting that there isn't a single solo Zimmer cue. I would have thought that at least "1976" would be. Seems like he had a lot of help on this one after all.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-09-11 20:25:25

Also, it seems almost like I should add Bryce Jacobs as a co-composer a la Balfe/Inception. He's on practically every single cue.

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 20:25:48

Lipson is producer, mixer, performer (guitar) and happens to have participated on the score.

And people are not just credited as writers but performers as well. It's a band score, each one for its instruments (maybe improv mode like BHD or The Pledge...). So it's all very confusing indeed, yay !

Mike

2013-09-11 21:04:19

You said it's a "band score"...You mean each cue was treated as though it was a band (hence all the names on each track?)

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 21:07:39

As in, each one arranged his instruments on the tracks. HZ, LB, Jasha & Bryce on pure writing (melodies / synths), Lipson, Bryce & Brook on improv for their guitars, Martin on cello, Satnam percs, Jack Dolman some arranging due to editing. Track 2 is a good example, Lipson alone with his guitar who performed what he wanted... :)

MacArthur

2013-09-11 21:09:39

I believe that is what he's saying and yes hence the names

Mike

2013-09-11 21:12:43

That's actually intensely clever. A good way to use "ghostwriters", if you're going to use them.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-09-11 21:20:54

Thanks for clearing that up Hybrid. Yeah, I guess when it's a band score like this with a lot of improv, the lines between performers and composers become quite blurred.

Still interesting to see so much Bryce Jacobs. As far as my iTunes tells me the only other music I have of his is one cue from Red Dawn and now he's practically co-written this score. :p

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 21:23:44

Ed you should check his Bad Karma score (where he also wrote all the songs). It's actually the same kind of DNA you can find in Rush.

MacArthur

2013-09-12 06:12:53

I don't think he should be labeled co-composer he also played guitar on the songs. it's like POTC3 Gore Verbinski is listed as a writer when he was merely the guitar player. make sense.

Now granted I think he also made additional arrangements and maybe and put some music in on the score after Zimmer wrote it. but I believe this is a total Zimmer score. With a total Zimmer feel

And sorry to keep posting but what did Balfe do, on this did he do like Junkie XL did in Man of Steel or did he do something where he actually wrote a theme. or was it just rhythm structure or just layer the music after Zimmer wrote it. or arrange it after Zimmer wrote it. if any of you know can you tell me.

MacArthur

2013-09-11 21:18:48

and also the same with the other guys

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 21:22:13

Can you ever THINK about what you write, like making clear sentences, express an idea & all, instead of just posting, then posting again, and again... ? It's not Twitter here...

Any info on when the score for 12 years a slave will release? They better release it I really have high expectations for this score.

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Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 12:30:33

Actually I'm pushing HZ a bit to not forget that one, cause when I first asked him, he wasn't sure he would release it. But I'll never give him peace until 12 Years is released, especially since he's really proud of that one...

Macejko

2013-09-11 13:27:23

Whoa, wait a second. Why wouldn't he release it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure every single one of Hans' soundtrack got a release.

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-11 13:44:26

The Dilemma, How Do You Know, Casi Divas, The Burning Plain, The Weather Man, Shark Tale, Something's Gotta Give... to name a few...

Macejko

2013-09-11 13:48:46

Ok, I take it back. But the question is: why? Why he doesn't want to release everything?

Mike

2013-09-11 15:03:40

Well, anything you can do to to convince him would be great by me! I've been looking forward to 12 Years a Slave, Mr. Morgan's Last Love, and Winter's Tale.

Shark Tale, on the other hand, I can see why that one didn't get a proper release... xD

isildur

2013-09-11 15:42:08

Hybrid

Oh no! Hybrid please do all you can to get this one released. I think all of us are really looking forward to it.

Will any of the other Zimmer scores get a release like 12 years a slave or winter's tale, or even Mr. Morgan's last love

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MacArthur

2013-09-08 07:23:35

Also in terms of Zimmer his best year I think has been this one. with awesome scores such as. Man of Steel, The Bible, The Lone Ranger, Rush, That's kinda why I want the other scores to be released because he's on a roll so why not keep it going.

JamesT

2013-09-08 07:54:02

Agreed. I don't know why certain people want to pick everything apart?!? It's exhausting to read.... what was Hans thinking? What specific parts did he compose? Who helped him? Who gets credit? I am amazed and thankful for all the music that's been made available this year, that otherwise would not have. Some people are never happy. Enjoy the music, PLEASE.

Mike

2013-09-09 15:00:59

I'm really looking forward to all of those (Twelve Years a Slave, Mr. Morgan's Last Love, and Winter's Tale). Some low-key Zimmer will be refreshing after all these huge movies he's been working on.

i went throught the whole album yesterday.you can hear here and there some Inception stuff (Mombasa in the beginning of Watkins Glen, ambiant sounds at the beginning of nurburgring and the same percs at the end of nurburgring). Reign feels like an evolution of Molossus.

But despite having some old "tones" this soundtrack is so refreshing. I mean "whoa". This album shows all the nay-sayers that Zimmer doesn't have a lack of creativity. He always finds new ways to renew himself.the whole use of guitars is well done and thought (harmonics, palm muting, big fx, delays, simple riffs yet very effective... at a certain point i thought the edge was playing on that album). You can pretty much understand the manichean opposition between the two characters when you listen at the soundtrack and without watching the movie (raw guitar riffs for Hunt -the fun loving, passionate guy-, industrial guitar with a lot of fx (squared/martial riff) for Lauda -the rigourous guy-).sounds really like an old Zimmer soundtrack. Simple, Powerful, brutal, european.As Hybrid said it no budget, no orchestra and it's pretty audible when you listen at the soundtrack that they were no big recording sessions for that album. Yet, the "no budget" constraint forces him to be more creative. It is a bit ironical that the percs are incredibly awesome here despite having a little budget... on the other hand you have MoS with his big budget production soundtrack, orchestra, 12percs and... not a real ear punishment.

And after hearing the whole thing, I must say, it really has a huge "throney" vibe to it. But despite it (or maybe it is BECAUSE of it), "Rush" is a great listen. 2013 is probably Hans' strongest year to date.

MacArthur

2013-09-07 16:53:52

And more coming can't wait to listen to or buy (if it comes out) winter's tale, 12 years a slave, Mr.Morgans last love.

isildur

2013-09-07 17:35:25

How come Zimmer used it from Djawad's music? Won't he say anything ?;)

MacArthur

2013-09-07 18:02:52

From what I heard it sounded like the "Thin Red Line" not Djawadi and a lot of the scores sound similar I caught Zimmer Progressions in the Transformers Scores.

Mike

2013-09-07 18:06:30

Oh, the Transformers scores (#1 in particular) were total Zimmer ripoffs. Great stuff overall, though. And it's no surprise that Hans Zimmer did some additional music on the second Transformers, either.

Macejko

2013-09-07 21:10:14

He didn't use Djawadi's music. I only said it sounds similar.

Brent

2013-09-07 21:15:50

To me, Rush kind of sounds like Jablonsky's Pain & Gain with an orchestra, which is super cool!

Hybrid Soldier

2013-09-07 21:21:08

Oh, about that, there's no orchestra here. No budget !

All sampled, and you'll notice all those strings & brass used all the time in Balfe scores... :P :)

Of course some soloists ! ;)

...

2013-09-07 21:25:28

Cool,

btw, what do you think about the score, Hybrid?:)

MacArthur

2013-09-07 22:58:25

Yeah that's why I like Jablonsky He has his own (Zimmer) style

Bioscope

2013-09-08 05:19:28

I still hear INCEPTION evolutions here, too :)

MacArthur

2013-09-08 07:18:18

I thought all the Samples were Zimmer stuff. Why did you label it only in Balfe's Scores. cause I thought Zimmer used mostly samples as well. I also thought that the samples were RCP stuff in general not just one particular composer.

I am not gonna say bad score. But totally not my thing (like I expected).

Spence

2013-09-06 17:32:31

Though I can't find the leak, what I've heard from the stream sounds really cool. Finally a score that doesn't try and cash in on his new fans' love for this 'epic' scores and tries to get away from his Christopher Nolan sound and his Sherlock Holmes sound (which, let's face it, all of the scores he's done recently have been like.) This is makes me excited for what he does with Twelve Years a Slave, Winter's Tale, and Mr. Morgan's Last Love

Radik

2013-09-06 20:40:35

The score sounds awesome.. great work Hans.. just like always right :)

MacArthur

2013-09-07 00:34:04

I didn't think that the Lone Ranger sounded like Sherlock Holmes or Inception

fabien

2013-09-07 00:42:17

between inception, transformers and my godness a so exciting project ! great music , cant wait for the sessions!!

Mike

2013-09-07 00:55:07

"Absurdity" from The Lone Ranger didn't just scream Sherlock Holmes to you, MacArthur? I mean, I agree the score wasn't reminiscent of Inception, but I really caught similarities to Sherlock Holmes. It's got that same quirky sound.

Anon

2013-09-07 07:04:26

There is a definite sound Zimmer used for Sherlock, Lone Ranger, Rango, and even Pirates for that matter. Yes, Ranger was a bit different, but you could argue they are all slightly different. Thing about Ranger though, was that most of it either sounded like Sherlock, was that old Celtic tune, or was arranged by other people.....

At least Rush tried to create it's own sound template very different from Zimmer's recent scores. Also, it focuses more on the atmosphere and softer cues than the loud, action packed, "epic" cues that are getting very dull

MacArthur

2013-09-07 07:11:10

I caught a little Sherlock Holmes in The Railroad waits for no one. but not in absurdity I caught Rango in absurdity