Just watching it. Surprisingly, I'm enjoying Michael Shannon's performances of the sermons. Currently, neither his Wikipedia nor IMDB entries mention this performance. I wonder whose idea it was to include these sermons? If not Bob's, then I wonder how he feels about it?

To me, the sermons seem just the kind of concept that Dylan would come up with.

Bob Dylan, AARP-Interview 2015:

When I was growing up, Billy Graham was very popular. He was the greatest preacher and evangelist of my time – that guy could save souls and did. I went to two or three of his rallies in the ’50s or ’60s. This guy was like rock ’n’ roll personified – volatile, explosive. He had the hair, the tone, the elocution – when he spoke, he brought the storm down. Clouds parted. Souls got saved, sometimes 30- or 40,000 of them.If you ever went to a Billy Graham rally back then, you were changed forever. There’s never been a preacher like him. He could fill football stadiums before anybody. He could fill Giants Stadium more than even the Giants football team. Seems like a long time ago. Long before Mick Jagger sang his first note or Bruce strapped on his first guitar – that’s some of the part of rock ’n’ roll that I retained. I had to. I saw Billy Graham in the flesh and heard him loud and clear.

Billy Graham, like all of his ilk, was a shameless charlatan, and exploiter of the gullible. However. Bob's statement, if true, is remarkable. If he was really going to Graham's rallies in the 50s and 60s, that puts his conversion to Christianity (apostasy from Judaism) way, way earlier than the apparent 79/80 'bombshell'.

Bob Dylan "saw Billy Graham in the flesh and heard him loud and clear" at a rally in Baltimore in June 1981, probably the night before his Columbia, MD show twenty miles away. [details on p. 234 + 235 in Scott Marshall's book].

Billy Graham, like all of his ilk, was a shameless charlatan, and exploiter of the gullible. However. Bob's statement, if true, is remarkable. If he was really going to Graham's rallies in the 50s and 60s, that puts his conversion to Christianity (apostasy from Judaism) way, way earlier than the apparent 79/80 'bombshell'.

Bit judgemental, aren't you? And isn't it the fundamentalists who are supposed to be that?

The outfits are pretty consistent thru the footage but I think I caught a good marker to differentiate the different nights.

The lady all the way to our left, Regina McCrary(?), her hair accessories, barrettes, clips, whatever they're called, change. Sometimes the one she wears on her right is small and white and others it is large and red. In fact it even changes during "Saved".

You can see my post on the stevehoffman board for my findings regarding the DVD. I don't know the specfic sources, but I think I was able to capture what was a duplicate of the box audio and what is unique to the DVD (from an audio perspective).

Billy Graham, like all of his ilk, was a shameless charlatan, and exploiter of the gullible. However. Bob's statement, if true, is remarkable. If he was really going to Graham's rallies in the 50s and 60s, that puts his conversion to Christianity (apostasy from Judaism) way, way earlier than the apparent 79/80 'bombshell'.

Bit judgemental, aren't you? And isn't it the fundamentalists who are supposed to be that?

Bit judgemental, aren't you? And isn't it the fundamentalists who are supposed to be that?

I speak as I find, when it comes to snake oil salesmen.

You have dismissed an entire classification of people without providing a shred of evidence. In any group there are bad eggs, but it seems you know you know all these people as you have 'found' them. You must have a great interest in them to know so much about them, despite being an atheist.

Billy Graham, like all of his ilk, was a shameless charlatan, and exploiter of the gullible. However. Bob's statement, if true, is remarkable. If he was really going to Graham's rallies in the 50s and 60s, that puts his conversion to Christianity (apostasy from Judaism) way, way earlier than the apparent 79/80 'bombshell'.

"Like all of his ilk"? Isn't this formulation in the fallacy land of faulty generalizations? If logic is an authority, it is. You paint with an awfully broad brush. Just like some Christians who think atheists are incapable of having moral thoughts, actions. Poppycock. If by "ilk" you mean Graham's fellow TV preachers who had grand public falls, then it's unfair to lump Graham in with, say, a Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker. And for all we know, maybe Graham considers Swaggart and Bakker brothers who have fallen and still belong to the Most High, as repulsive as that might sound to some ears.

Without checking a dictionary, I sense the word "charlatan" involves those who KNOW they're up to monkey business. If you think the gospel of Jesus is nonsense, monkey business, whatever, fine, but from what I can understand, Graham ENTIRELY believes it. That's different. Your formulation of "exploiter of the gullible" is more familiar--voices I've heard through time. Do you know how many people Graham spoke to in the flesh? Were they all gullible? If not, what percentage? Whatever the case, how do you know? Have you looked into these demographics over a half a century? Or are you operating in stereotype land? Also, if Graham is, as you say, the "exploiter," what is his gain? Money? Fame? Tell me about the heart of this man who's about to slip off into the hereafter. I'd like to know.

And when you say "Bob's statement, if true" I'm not sure what you mean. Do you question if Dylan really said this in the AARP interview? At first, when I heard Dylan say he was at more than one Graham rally in the '50s or '60s, I wondered if it could be so. Like someone said, he would've had ample opportunity considering Graham's itinerary. Dylan certainly was in the same theological ballpark when he spoke with Arthur Blessit in 1974, at a "religious rally" as Rolling Stone reported. And like some poster mentioned earlier, it's been established that Dylan was checking out a Graham rally in 1981. (Jess Archer's the woman author who brought that to public light pretty recently.) It's all pretty remarkable, really. The voice of the counter-culture sold out, I guess. Perhaps like Ginsberg said, I think, back in the '60s--"sold out to God."

is there any hope of being able to see this thing without buying the whole deluxe package? i just bought the vinyl and while i'm extremely pleased with the product i'm dying to see this film and i'd even pay to watch it separately but there's not a chance in hell i'm spending another hundred dollars to see an hour long film

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is there any hope of being able to see this thing without buying the whole deluxe package? i just bought the vinyl and while i'm extremely pleased with the product i'm dying to see this film and i'd even pay to watch it separately but there's not a chance in hell i'm spending another hundred dollars to see an hour long film

You have to pay the piper. You also get 6 more discs of music for the extra hundred bucks.

is there any hope of being able to see this thing without buying the whole deluxe package? i just bought the vinyl and while i'm extremely pleased with the product i'm dying to see this film and i'd even pay to watch it separately but there's not a chance in hell i'm spending another hundred dollars to see an hour long film

You have to pay the piper. You also get 6 more discs of music for the extra hundred bucks.

i think i'll try scavenging a bit more before i pay such an unnecessary toll

You can see my post on the stevehoffman board for my findings regarding the DVD. I don't know the specfic sources, but I think I was able to capture what was a duplicate of the box audio and what is unique to the DVD (from an audio perspective).

I like to tell my observations to you as I watched the Dvd a couple of days ago. The movie begins with this text:Rehearsal StudioLos Angeles, CA1980

and then they begin to play 1. Jesus Met the Woman at the Well (Live). Am I right that this song’s intro is longer than in the same song in Extras? I found it very interesting.

Naturally Olof has not yet listed Trouble No More in his files, so I’m just guessing that ”Rehearsal 1980” may be around 16 Oct. 1980 like Rise Again is on disc 4. Also 21. Abraham, Martin and John (Live) seems to be rehearsal, and not ”live”.

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sugarwastough wrote:

is there any hope of being able to see this thing without buying the whole deluxe package? i just bought the vinyl and while i'm extremely pleased with the product i'm dying to see this film and i'd even pay to watch it separately but there's not a chance in hell i'm spending another hundred dollars to see an hour long film

is there any hope of being able to see this thing without buying the whole deluxe package? i just bought the vinyl and while i'm extremely pleased with the product i'm dying to see this film and i'd even pay to watch it separately but there's not a chance in hell i'm spending another hundred dollars to see an hour long film

Im in the same boat, is this likely to appear on ebay?

Ask someone if he/she lends the dvd to you to watch it - or if he/she might do something that is forbidden to mention here and send the forbidden thing to you!

To be fair, this isnt piratebay, and i respect the fact that folks hERe paid alot of money for the dvd and delux, why should they give it away. That being said i wouldnt say no

This world is based on money, that's right. But sometimes here on ER we realize that we live in the lost paradise. We get lots of things without paying anything. Tapers give their work away for free, people who bought f.e. CC cds, upload them and ask for nothing. Even if you got into an argument with someone f.e. about the quality of this or that period, most people are willing to give what the have. I loved and love this here on ER. So why shouldn't a buyer do the same thing? Those here who have enough money will buy, what the want, those who are badly off, won't buy a deluxe edition; so Bob won't loose a dime.

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