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It doesn't *officially* exist unless it's used on-screen/on-panel in a cartoon/movie/comic/other official fiction. Stuff from a rejected pitch posted on a message board years later ain't canon.

They've already mined unused MYP story concepts for the Classics canon, and they can just as easily do the same with MVCreations' bible. They already own that material, and since it belongs to Mattel that makes it more than fanfiction.

The reason (or lack of reason) for the restrictions doesn't matter, just that they existed. Hypotheticals don't matter either - there's no huge groundswell of support for this never-used Filmation concept, which is on the same basic level as Illumina, well below Shokoti, Shadow Weaver, et al.

There's no question that Illumina isn't even close to the importance and popularity of somone like Shadow Weaver. But come on, she's far more popular than Catman. Mattel knows who Illumina is, which is more than can be said of some of the other D-listers. Toyguru had never even heard of Scrollos, and he had far more exposure than Illumina.

Stuff from a rejected pitch posted on a message board years later ain't canon.

There is an internal MVC bible - that we used as reference when writing our OFFICIAL comic books - wich is not a pitch and was not rejected.
There is no rejected pitch.
We never pitched anything and nothing was ever rejected, I don't get why some of these incorrect informations are still floating around or used as arguments.

Shokoti, while an awesome design and character, isn't more important than Illumina. Isn't Shokoti dead now? I have to re-watch that.

Kittrina isn't as well. She's a random cat lady, pretty much.

Illumina is a keeper of the secrets of Castle Grayskull. That's HUGE! She also trained Man-At-Arms with Dekker...also huge! Finally...trapped on the EVIL side of the mystic wall, with her cat being her only ally for many years? Pretty epic.

Originally Posted by Reboot

That is ****ing ridiculous.

For one thing, point me to ANY official source on blue/cat-girl that doesn't amount to a nameless pin-up. Mattel ***REJECTED*** that pitch, which makes it fanfic. She's equivalent to potato-salad guy (hell, she doesn't even have an official *NAME*!)

Just to make sure you see it...

Originally Posted by Emiliano

There is an internal MVC bible - that we used as reference when writing our OFFICIAL comic books - wich is not a pitch and was not rejected.
There is no rejected pitch.
We never pitched anything and nothing was ever rejected, I don't get why some of these incorrect informations are still floating around or used as arguments.

Not sure I understand why Marvel doesn't own Toyguru's figure. I understand that if MATTEL owned it, or the name in this case, that Mattel could use it in other Mattel brands. But that's not what this person was asking. The question had to do with the image/design/name being owned by a company other than Mattel, because TG had submitted it to Marvel in the past.

Anyway...
I'm glad that TG fixed it so that the 30th subs ship with the regular subs. Or am I misunderstanding him? They ship together in January??

Originally Posted by Emiliano

There is an internal MVC bible - that we used as reference when writing our OFFICIAL comic books - wich is not a pitch and was not rejected.
There is no rejected pitch.
We never pitched anything and nothing was ever rejected, I don't get why some of these incorrect informations are still floating around or used as arguments.

Because, as has become popular, particularly in American culture, and because of the Internet, people don't think critically. People tend to use whatever facts necessary to win an argument, regardless of whether or not the facts can be substantiated.

I find it ironic that people who might argue against the possibility of Illumina becoming a figure are unaware of her history.

Why argue "for" or "against" if you don't know the facts?

Answer: because the facts don't matter to those people.

When facts don't matter, I assume the argument is REALLY about something OTHER than the disputed facts.

I'm glad that TG fixed it so that the 30th subs ship with the regular subs. Or am I misunderstanding him? They ship together in January??

Because, as has become popular, particularly in American culture, and because of the Internet, people don't think critically. People tend to use whatever facts necessary to win an argument, regardless of whether or not the facts can be substantiated.

I find it ironic that people who might argue against the possibility of Illumina becoming a figure are unaware of her history.

Why argue "for" or "against" if you don't know the facts?

Answer: because the facts don't matter to those people.

When facts don't matter, I assume the argument is REALLY about something OTHER than the disputed facts.

There is an internal MVC bible - that we used as reference when writing our OFFICIAL comic books - wich is not a pitch and was not rejected.
There is no rejected pitch.
We never pitched anything and nothing was ever rejected, I don't get why some of these incorrect informations are still floating around or used as arguments.

Oops. Sorry about that! Eliminating Illumina must have been part of the "new characters" embargo Mattel initiated later in the comics. It's sweet to hear that she IS in the MVC Bible. Man, I want to read that SO badly!

Take part in Illumina Day! Let people know who she is and help get her in MOTUC.

Because, as has become popular, particularly in American culture, and because of the Internet, people don't think critically. People tend to use whatever facts necessary to win an argument, regardless of whether or not the facts can be substantiated.

Ok...So Im shocked! Tg has answered both of my Questions I posted this morning- Thanks TG!

Spector Question.
HI TG, Ive come to Really appreciate the 'Spector' figure, Your enthusiasm in the Walkthrugh video for him is infectious.

But that said Ive pinpointed why I -and maybe others- have issues with him.

Its the 'Spade' on his chest plate, the symbol is so 'Terran' and it pulls me out of the 'MOTUverse' and into Super Hero territory.

It just seems that everytime I look at a picture of him,my eye is drawn straight to the spade...and not in a good way!

is there any chance it could be modified into a more unique 'eternian' design to symbolise him?

Cheers AJ

Just to throw it back, how is that different from He-Ro with an H or Bow with a heart?

Thunder Punch He Man -Vac Metal?
Hi TG, I was just looking at the TP He Man pics from thundercon-He looks superb BTW- and I remembered that the vintage version had Vac Metal Silver on his armor and his Sheild was Vac Metal too.

will the MOTUC version have Vac Metal as well?

cheers A

(Personally Id prefer Silver Paint, and Hurricane Hordak seems to have been met with mixed response to the Vac feature so Im wary of it in MOTUC)

Terry is actually exploring this. We're still looking into it.

I guess my only thought on the 1st response is that He-Ros 'H' is stylized, so its not as obvious. And Bows Heart in the old series was concealed in his chest til the button was pressed!

and in MOTUC Bow the heart is more literal...but it was given a switch out option!

Not sure I understand why Marvel doesn't own Toyguru's figure. I understand that if MATTEL owned it, or the name in this case, that Mattel could use it in other Mattel brands. But that's not what this person was asking. The question had to do with the image/design/name being owned by a company other than Mattel, because TG had submitted it to Marvel in the past.

The Mighty Spector is an all new character introduced into the 30th line. Of course no one was demanding him. No one knew about him before Power Con. He fills a slot in the 30th line as an all new figure. Illumina as an existing figure does not qualify as an all new figure for this sub line within MOTUC.

Wait... So a character that has only basically had one drawn appearance, but has a devoted fan following and a bit of mystery attached to it doesn't qualify for the 30th subline then?

Just to throw it back, how is that different from He-Ro with an H or Bow with a heart?

I actually took He-Ro's symbol not to be a letter but a two-ended arrow. Because it looks so similar to the symbol used for the consonant "H" in the western writing system, that's what we most readily interpret it as, but it might have no such meaning for Eternians.

And who knows, maybe ancient Eternians would have perceived the cross on He-Man's harness as a letter.

Sometimes I have the impression that many folks just WANT to understand Scott wrong.

Not at all. I was at the Q & A and heard it straight from him. His rationale for not including Illumina as a possibility for the 30th line is discredited by the inclusion of Photog.

And don't get me wrong... I love Photog and I'm happy to get him. As cool as Illumina is, I'd actually rather have Photog. I just wish Scott wouldn't try and over explain things. It would have been much easier to just say "We're looking at Illumina. Maybe one day, but she's not coming this year". Don't even throw out the whole "not enough fans want her to warrant making her" or "she can't be included because she's not a new character" when both those statements can be refuted with examples from the line (i.e. zero existing demand for Spector, and the inclusion of pre-existing character Photog as a 30th figure).

Not at all. I was at the Q & A and heard it straight from him. His rationale for not including Illumina as a possibility for the 30th line is discredited by the inclusion of Photog.

And don't get me wrong... I love Photog and I'm happy to get him. As cool as Illumina is, I'd actually rather have Photog. I just wish Scott wouldn't try and over explain things. It would have been much easier to just say "We're looking at Illumina. Maybe one day, but she's not coming this year". Don't even throw out the whole "not enough fans want her to warrant making her" or "she can't be included because she's not a new character" when both those statements can be refuted with examples from the line (i.e. zero existing demand for Spector, and the inclusion of pre-existing character Photog as a 30th figure).

Sallah

The 30th Anniversary figures are supposed to be new figures that have never been done before so there WOULDN"T BE ANY FAN DEMAND for them. As far as Phhotog he won the contest 30 years ago and was never made by Mattel i think them bookending the anniversary line with the figure that won the contest thirty years ago and the winner from this contest was brilliant and i for one am glad they did it this way. Photog never apperared in any official media except being announced as the winning figure in the past contest.

So I might have misunderstood you here as well. But to me it is that Fearless Photog qualifies for the 30th anniversary line because he already won this darn contest and his figure is overdue for 25 years now. Whereas Illumina wasn΄t created for the contest nor specifically for the 30th subline, but to be a canon character, at least in MVC comics, thus qualifying for the regular line of figures.