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re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

Originally Posted by poweRob

Are you saying the conservative SCOTUS is legislating from the bench?

I'm a libertarian and a Constitutionalist... I don't have any regard for any of them.

I value liberty first and foremost - the Constitution is supposed to protect me from the government, and from other people who would seek to use the government to impose themselves and their views upon me, or anyone else for that matter.

Sadly, Amerikans have become overwhelmingly fascist/socialist, and see nothing wrong with use the government for anything they want, against anyone they want, anytime they want.

None of this surprises me, I've been expecting it for decades... it's just sad to see it happening. It's a sad time to be alive; it's sad to watch a once great, once free nation die like this.

re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

Originally Posted by Conservative

How do you think Obamacare is going to paid for? Only a liberal believes govt. programs don't cost any money and won't add to the debt. Guess we just woke up and 18.2 trillion dollars appeared on the books, larger than the U.S. economy.

Who thinks it's not being paid for? It is. [hey, do you see all those tax hikes during King Reagan's presidency? Don't really fit the narrative, do they?]

Obamacare includes a big tax on rich fatcats, which is one of its best features!!! In fact, the CBO, even with the new GOP-mandated "dynamic scoring," has confirmed that it more than pays for itself, thus lowering the deficit.

re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

Originally Posted by upsideguy

I have never heard anything but a pathetically shallow argument drawing a distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare. OK, you have the floor, please explain to all of us the difference and why this is so important. Creating a national healthcare system, across state lines, likely requires a national mandate.

To have the healthcare system work, as well articulated by Roberts, we need to be certain all are covered (despite pre-existing conditions), it is affordable (tax credits) and all participate (mandate). If you want to do this on a national basis, and the appetite of Americans pre-2009, was that was the case, then you need to do these things across state lines...

That all said, most of this is moot, as this is here to stay... if people want to change it, they need to be working WITH the law as working against it is futile.

Very simple, Obamacare is a Federal Program, administered by the Federal Bureaucrats, Romneycare is a state program run closer to the people. Seems like a concept liberals don't understand. Romneycare is supported by the people of MA, Obamacare cost the Democrats Congress