Sac county CCWs - Jones says he will issue them for personal protection...

Scott Jones says unless you are excluded for certain reasons like drug / alcohol abuse or history of violence, he will consider Sacto County to be a shall issue county as long as training requirements and so forth are met.

Sacramento Black Rifle is supposed to be hosting a forum with Jones where residents can ask the candidate direcly. Check with them for details.

But good luck getting a reply from these guys (TBJ) when you actually do try to get a hold of them...

Unless we are away from our desks, we try to reply to every contact same day during the week, and within 48 hours at the weekend. Sometimes enquirers actually get two replies (one from BJ, one from me) and mostly the reply is within two hours during working hours.

For enquiries deserving a more complex answer, BJ will often reply with his telephone number and an invitation to call for discussions.

I'm not saying that people haven't slipped through the crack, but as far as I can tell it doesn't happen often.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Unless we are away from our desks, we try to reply to every contact same day during the week, and within 48 hours at the weekend. Sometimes enquirers actually get two replies (one from BJ, one from me) and mostly the reply is within two hours during working hours.

For enquiries deserving a more complex answer, BJ will often reply with his telephone number and an invitation to call for discussions.

I'm not saying that people haven't slipped through the crack, but as far as I can tell it doesn't happen often.

Pffft! The one/only time I try to get a hold of you guys and it conveniently "slipped through the cracks".

But that's okay, based on the stuff I've read about the TBJ entity, I don't want a call anyway.

I had a friend tell me he believes Sacramento County has a 5 gun per permit restriction. Is this true?

I took the training a few years back for sh*ts and giggles and they allowed me to qualify with 3 guns only, which would be listed on my CCW if I ever got one. Not sure if there is an actual limit to the number, but I am pretty sure that any that are on the permit, need to be qualified with during training.

Pffft! The one/only time I try to get a hold of you guys and it conveniently "slipped through the cracks".

But that's okay, based on the stuff I've read about the TBJ entity, I don't want a call anyway.

Don't know why you think it was convenient for us to ignore you; we don't work like that unless you were rude and antagonistic to start with.

And if you have now decided that it's a good job we didn't reply as, apparently, you now think our advice is worthless, then please stop continously moaning about it every time you see us mentioned in this and other threads.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Pffft! The one/only time I try to get a hold of you guys and it conveniently "slipped through the cracks".

I can't speak to the fairness of this comment. I have missed PM's and emails and completely spaced. Until you actually pay them for investigative and legal representation, they have reason to want your business. Me, I'm doing it for free.

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But that's okay, based on the stuff I've read about the TBJ entity, I don't want a call anyway.

If you're in Sacramento, considering events here, you don't need to. Just follow the advice that you were PM'd.

I can't speak to the fairness of this comment. I have missed PM's and emails and completely spaced. Until you actually pay them for investigative and legal representation, they have reason to want your business. Me, I'm doing it for free.

Actually, I don't think that we've ever had a paying client through any web forum, unless they have approached us without disclosing their origin. Subject to that comment, we think that 100% of our paying clients come either by recommendation or through our website. We are the top listed non-advertising Google website for "California concealed firearm permits" (and similar phrases) and were so within a few weeks of opening. Advice offered here is considered to be pro-bono.

And I've personally never had a cent out of anyone for it whatsoever. I'm in it to forward the movement.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Actually, I don't think that we've ever had a paying client through any web forum, unless they have approached us without disclosing their origin. Subject to that comment, we think that 100% of our paying clients come either by recommendation or through our website. We are the top listed non-advertising Google website for "California concealed firearm permits" (and similar phrases) and were so within a few weeks of opening. Advice offered here is considered to be pro-bono.

And I've personally never had a cent out of anyone for it whatsoever. I'm in it to forward the movement.

Want to point out here I was more responding to the comment the bronze made about "slipping through the cracks". I was pointing out why it is not in the best interest of TBJ to forget emails, considering the continual accusations of "TBJ just being in it for the money", which we both know that's not really true. It's just that TBJ's baliwick is geared toward existing California case law, unless this has changed since McDonald.

Don't know why you think it was convenient for us to ignore you; we don't work like that unless you were rude and antagonistic to start with.

And if you have now decided that it's a good job we didn't reply as, apparently, you now think our advice is worthless, then please stop continously moaning about it every time you see us mentioned in this and other threads.

I wasn't moaning. I was letting people know that you guys talk a good game, but you're short on delivery. You're constantly telling people "email me/us", "contact me/us" and when I did, you guys ignored my email.

Part of the application has you list all of your traffic violations. They want citation number, date, violations, issuing agency, court docket, and outcome. Good luck finding that info without some assistance; I did not want my application rejected on a technicality.

I emailed Billy Jack and got a reply from him within a few hours. I can't begin to know if it was like that for everyone but I got a quick and thorough reply. Perhaps you just got sent to the spam folder on accident? Or they meant to reply later and they forgot? I know I've forgotten to reply to emails before...it does happen. YMMV

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I believe it has been apparent in my posts that I am an idiot

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Excuse me, I didn't realize you were posting from a Unabomer shack deep in the Angeles National Forest. Are you stirring coconuts, a la Gilligan's Island, to power that lap top?

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Bring in a bullet button and a mop. Ask him if he knows which is which.

I wasn't moaning. I was letting people know that you guys talk a good game, but you're short on delivery. You're constantly telling people "email me/us", "contact me/us" and when I did, you guys ignored my email.

That's not moaning, my friend. That's letting people know the deal.

We did not ignore it, that implies deliberate action. The only way we ignore people is if, after us replying once, your next email indicates you are indeed an idiot. As 7x57 says, some people get upset by that.

If we missed you the first time that was exceptional and accidental, and I have already apologized. Get a life and put it behind you.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

We did not ignore it, that implies deliberate action. The only way we ignore people is if, after us replying once, your next email indicates you are indeed an idiot. As 7x57 says, some people get upset by that.

If we missed you the first time that was exceptional and accidental, and I have already apologized. Get a life and put it behind you.

I didn't get a reply from you, thus you ignored it. Deliberate or not.

I didn't get a reply from you, thus you ignored it. Deliberate or not.

And no, I don't think I will.

Emails get lost. They get put in junk mail folders.

They might get accidently overlooked if there's a whole slew of other emails and junk mails around them. Bad office practice perhaps, but, hey, this is a voluntary effort. We didn't, and don't, actually owe you any attention whatsoever.

None of these are the same as "ignored", which implies that we considered your email and deliberately decided that you did not deserve a reply.

That never happened. There is no reason whatsoever why it should have happened.

You are taking a personal slight over something that never happened and suggesting stringly to other people, without any justification, that it will happen to them as well. You ignore my apologies.

Grow up and get a pair. Stop sulking in the corner of the schoolyard. "Mommy, Johnny ignored me! Bah-hoo!" How childish.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Glock22 and TBJ have always responded fairly, lets drop the accusations since it is pretty obvious that sometimes messages get missed. I get so many PMs I can't keep up either.

As for the CCW permit, there are lines for 3 weapons, which is the only reason I can find for any county to restrict it to 3 weapons. This restriction bothers me a lot, I hope the future can implement a change to that. What does it matter which guns I carry? I like the Utah permit, much more professional. It's absurd that CA still hands out the rice paper permits.

I haven't heard of a Sheriff requiring registered guns. Is that really an issue somewhere?

As for the CCW permit, there are lines for 3 weapons, which is the only reason I can find for any county to restrict it to 3 weapons. This restriction bothers me a lot, I hope the future can implement a change to that. What does it matter which guns I carry? I like the Utah permit, much more professional. It's absurd that CA still hands out the rice paper permits.

I haven't heard of a Sheriff requiring registered guns. Is that really an issue somewhere?

The app has space for three guns, and it does state to use additional pages to add more if needed. Seems silly to restrict ti to particular guns. I could see an argument to qualify with revolvers or semiautomatics, but it's a weak one.

I have read in posts here and elsewhere that the Sheriff of some counties does verify that the gun listed is registered to the applicant, but those are of unknown age/reliability. I don't have links to them either, but will see if I can dig them up.

The app has space for three guns, and it does state to use additional pages to add more if needed. Seems silly to restrict ti to particular guns. I could see an argument to qualify with revolvers or semiautomatics, but it's a weak one.

I have read in posts here and elsewhere that the Sheriff of some counties does verify that the gun listed is registered to the applicant, but those are of unknown age/reliability. I don't have links to them either, but will see if I can dig them up.

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John -- bitter gun owner.

All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

I haven't heard of a Sheriff requiring registered guns. Is that really an issue somewhere?

In the Calif. application, I was required to list serial numbers. Whether they check it or not, I have no idea. But somehow I noticed when I took my interview, the Lt was holding a piece of paper that appear to list guns and serial numbers that I suspect were all mine .
Nevada do not list serial numbers just type and model.

John McGinness has had over 3 years to change the policy. Scott Jones the self admitted "Chief of Staff" to McGinness wrote the current policy. Now I hear they are making it easier to get a CCW. Im a firm believer in Shall Issue. Changing you policy to get votes is offensive and dishonest.

The best predictor of the future, is the past...dont lie to us know Jones and think we are too dumb to figure it out...we have enough of that at the Federal and State level.

The best predictor of the future, is the past...dont lie to us know Jones and think we are too dumb to figure it out...we have enough of that at the Federal and State level.

I believe if you read through this thread you will see that some of the posters here have recently been approved. Perhaps you are looking too far into the past for your purposes. It only costs $20 to try. It's a lot less hassle than getting on here to complain.