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hey guys, Has anyone heard of Metglasthis material has high permeabilitywhich is a factor in the strength of electromagnetsof course this material is probably expensive but does anyone know how much exactly?also where I could procure some?(if it isn't too expensive)

Seems like a regular supplier of ferrite core material. Note that they recommend you anneal the material after fabrication of your inductor with field direction specific to the manufacture, so just using it at home may be challenging unless you're already good at doing this.

Metglass is a company that makes ferrites. It is not a particular kind of material. There are many companies that makes ferrites. Metglas ferrites of a particular kind (say, cobalt-based) are likely no better or worse than the same kind of ferrite made by another company.

Who made the glass in your car windows? Who made the ceramics in your breakfast bowl? Who made the plastic in the handles of your kitchen knives? Who made the ferrite in the cores of your motors?

Just like there are tons of companies making aluminum, steel, plastics, and other standard materials, the makers of objects generally don't disclose who supplies their materials. I wouldn't be able to look at a motor or inductor, and tell who made the ferrite in the core. Might be using Metglass ferrite, might be using TDK ferrite, might be using Micrometals ferrite, or one of a zillion other manufacturers.

Ferrites made by Metglas are not "special" in any particular kind of way (nor are the ferrites made by any of the others.) They each have strengths/weaknesses, and the same set of strengths/weaknesses can be found in ferrites from many other manufacturers.

Permalloy is great for a high saturation and extremely high relative permeability. Also, transformer steel is great for these applications. +1 for metglass.... expensive but great for the purpose you are describing.

ALSO - the OP is correct, MetGlass may be a trade name for a product, but it is a proprietary metal with specific ratios of elements that create a very strong relative permeability and high saturation. So in keeping with the previous analogy, who made the ceramic on your breakfast bowl? a company that has created a less brittle ceramic and therefore doesn't shatter when you drop it.

Metglass has the 'best' magnetic properties of a mass produces metal. Take a gander at the table here where it lists magnetic properties of elements.

I have a MEMS and electromagnetic background and i have personally researched different magnetic materials for novel actuators.

You idea is viable, better magnetic properties within a electromagnetic actuator will increase efficeincy,... but at what cost? Also, you have to keep in mind the actual magnetic current you are pushing through, how effective is that?

If your idea is to simply take a stock actuator and replace ONLY the ferrite material within the actuator with a Metglas type material, in theory it should make the actuator more efficient yes.

Try to get your hands on something they call "Electrical Steel" or "transformer steel." This material has superior magnetic properties than standard 18-8 steel but less than MetGlass, but it is DIRT CHEAP....

what do you mean by the current i am pushing through, isn't the current drawn by the motorthe more torque required the more current will be drawn where can i get my hands on some DIRT CHEAP electrical steel?

In a DC motor,current will be a function of the winding resistance, winding inductance, back EMF (voltage) and supply voltage. Back EMF is a function of the motor speed (Kb*speed) - the faster the motor is spinning, the higher the back EMF, the lower the current. Torque is a function of the current (Kt*I).