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Just to point out that by claiming that April Glaspie somehow led Saddam Hussein to believe that the U.S. was sanctioning him to invade Kuwait would also put Iraq directly responsible for the attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001. I don't see where Glaspie condoned Iraq's invasion of Kuwait at all. Glaspie was playing the diplomatic game that ambassadors have to play and Hussein, a man who all rational people considered unstable at best, just conjured up what he wanted to believe, pretty much the way some on this thread are doing over the 9-11 attacks.

We tend to believe what we want to believe. Those who believe that the U.S. was directly and intentionally responsible for the attacks of 9-11 are those who want to believe that the U.S. is the bad guy in world events.

Kuwait was our ally, a very important, oil rich ally. Sadam sat on their doorstep, armed to the teeth, thinking he was being angle drilled and believing in his demented mind that he was the rightful owner of Kuwait in the first place. We knew he had all intentions of invading yet we told him we had no opinion of this current conflict. Now question: Did we do all we could to avert this invasion by threatening him to back down. Obviously we did the opposite. We played down our alliance with Kuwait, so he took the bait and invaded.

Why did we do that? We could have stopped him at the border. Maybe not stop him but at least make gestures with a few cruise missiles on his troops. We could have taken air supremacy within a few hours. But we did nothing. IMO we wanted to take out Sadam’s might army to reduce any threat they posed on Israel and to put our boots on the sacred soil of the Middle East forever. So we let him invade, let world outcry fester and then had every reason to crush his might war machine.

Who is the biggest beneficiary of this? Our war machine empire, Israel, our war driven economy as well as a power shift in the Middle East. Even the conservative talk show host Larry Elder once said about this scheme, “Sadam took the bait”. Now why would he think that if it was based on fantasy?

I do not know if demolition was used to bring down those building and we will never know, but it s a fact that we do cause events to rally American sentiment to let Washington take us to war. If we learned nothing from the Kuwait invasion, as you apparently did not, we are not thinking on our feet. We are again led by our media.

Kuwait was our ally, a very important, oil rich ally. Sadam sat on their doorstep, armed to the teeth, thinking he was being angle drilled and believing in his demented mind that he was the rightful owner of Kuwait in the first place. We knew he had all intentions of invading yet we told him we had no opinion of this current conflict. Now question: Did we do all we could to avert this invasion by threatening him to back down. Obviously we did the opposite. We played down our alliance with Kuwait, so he took the bait and invaded.

Why did we do that? We could have stopped him at the border. Maybe not stop him but at least make gestures with a few cruise missiles on his troops. We could have taken air supremacy within a few hours. But we did nothing. IMO we wanted to take out Sadam’s might army to reduce any threat they posed on Israel and to put our boots on the sacred soil of the Middle East forever. So we let him invade, let world outcry fester and then had every reason to crush his might war machine.

Who is the biggest beneficiary of this? Our war machine empire, Israel, our war driven economy as well as a power shift in the Middle East. Even the conservative talk show host Larry Elder once said about this scheme, “Sadam took the bait”. Now why would he think that if it was based on fantasy?

I do not know if demolition was used to bring down those building and we will never know, but it s a fact that we do cause events to rally American sentiment to let Washington take us to war. If we learned nothing from the Kuwait invasion, as you apparently did not, we are not thinking on our feet. We are again led by our media.

Wow! You got all that from a news article? Let's be honest here; your alleged opinions are crap you've read from leftists who just want to constantly bad mouth the U.S. and you know it.

The fact is that we really do not have much actual say so in what other countries do when push comes to shove. The fact is that Iraq was mostly responsible for keeping oil prices down before they invaded Kuwait. Seems more likely that we were just trying to walk the fence on that one until we got pulled into it.

Historically, Kuwait is a relatively new country comprised of port access land taken from Iraq in order for the British, the U.S. and France to control the oil in Iraq. So yes, Hussein was somewhat justified in thinking that he could take back Kuwait for Iraq. It had nothing to do with the U.S. or any conversations between any U.S. ambassador and Hussein.

I still want to know how the heck the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 is being tied to a conspiracy theory that the U.S. is responsible for blowing up WTC building #7 on September 11, 2001. This is just another way that leftists confuse issues when they cannot show any rationality to their claims.

Guy in your video say "If Jones wants to salvage what credibility he thinks he has left, he MUST show us a working device which uses thermite and cuts a sizable hollow column. It MUST also be small enough to do the job yet hide from the average World Trade Center worker. Anything less is an attempt to deceive the public." Guy in my video destroy guy in your video

Guy in your video like to lie so how we can believe him?

America; first we fight for our freedom,
then we make laws to take it away.

The fact is that we really do not have much actual say so in what other countries do when push comes to shove.

You have got to be kidding. In case you haven’t checked lately we are the biggest economic and military superpower in the world. We monitor and have great influence on all troop movement in the world. Do you think we would tell Iraq “we have no opinion of your border to border conflict” if they were amassed on the Israeli border? You need to look a lot closer at what the function of our military is on a daily basis. We may not always get our way with countries but we let our wishes be known. That did not happen prior to the Kuwait invasion. We did the opposite?

It had nothing to do with the U.S. or any conversations between any U.S. ambassador and Hussein.

You think it had nothing to do with our Ambassador because you were not spoon fed that knowledge from our wonderful Jewish controlled news media. I was never told that from an article either. It was very clear in my face when it happened. Why wasn’t it clear to you if you are such an independent thinker?

I still want to know how the heck the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 is being tied to a conspiracy theory that the U.S. is responsible for blowing up WTC building #7 on September 11, 2001.

Very simple. If our President could let the Kuwaitis get the crap beat out of them by Sadam just so we had justification to crush his army and get boots on the ground in the Middle East it wouldn’t surprise me that much more if an evil person like Cheney turned his back on 911 intelligence. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Israeli intelligent knew it was coming on that day but did not tell us about it…as shown by the dancing Israelis we apprehended. BTW- We immediately sent one of those Israelis back to his country after that incident and the others had expired visas.

Do you always need our news media to approve your thought process? Those people do not operate within the little box you have created.

You have got to be kidding. In case you haven’t checked lately we are the biggest economic and military superpower in the world. We monitor and have great influence on all troop movement in the world. Do you think we would tell Iraq “we have no opinion of your border to border conflict” if they were amassed on the Israeli border? You need to look a lot closer at what the function of our military is on a daily basis. We may not always get our way with countries but we let our wishes be known. That did not happen prior to the Kuwait invasion. We did the opposite?

You think it had nothing to do with our Ambassador because you were not spoon fed that knowledge from our wonderful Jewish controlled news media. I was never told that from an article either. It was very clear in my face when it happened. Why wasn’t it clear to you if you are such an independent thinker?

Very simple. If our President could let the Kuwaitis get the crap beat out of them by Sadam just so we had justification to crush his army and get boots on the ground in the Middle East it wouldn’t surprise me that much more if an evil person like Cheney turned his back on 911 intelligence. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Israeli intelligent knew it was coming on that day but did not tell us about it…as shown by the dancing Israelis we apprehended. BTW- We immediately sent one of those Israelis back to his country after that incident and the others had expired visas.

Do you always need our news media to approve your thought process? Those people do not operate within the little box you have created.

Through all of your disjointed rhetoric, you have not shown one iota of rationality for Americans having planted or detonated bombs in any of the WTC buildings. You have no one to definitively blame, no reason for it having been done and no way for it having been done.

This is what I was referring to when I stated that there are rationally conceived conspiracy theories and then there are irrational leftist conspiracy theories that tend to just toss everything they can think of against the wall to see if something might stick. In the meantime, so many times, these leftist rantings create dissent against facts and the truth so as to create a situation where we cannot properly focus on resolving the issue at hand.

Our primary focus due to the attacks of 9-11 should be to prevent further Islamic attacks on the U.S. and Americans at home and abroad and to bring to eliminate the sources of the aggressions from every nook and corner of the world. Instead, anti-American leftists continue to divert our attantion away from our true enemy by making fabricated claims against Americans and the U.S. government.

Obviously, there are some American politicians who are willing to deliberately put Americans at risk of death just to promote their agendas. Obama and Holder have done just this thing with the Fast and Furious program. Clinton did it with the Waco wackos, the family at Ruby Ridge and the OKC Federal building. So yes, some American leaders are devious and despicable enough to allow Americans to be killed for their personal agendas. There is just no rational scenario for that happening at the WTC, the Pentagon or in the downed hijacked jet in PA on September 11, 2001.

You have no one to definitively blame, no reason for it having been done and no way for it having been done.

If you are in a crowd and are hit in the back of the head with a bottle do you first have to figure out who did it and why before you can admit you were hit with a bottle. That is your silly logic.

Who knows who did it or how they did it. The first question is did they do it? But there is a big reason to do it which resembles Pear Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin and the Kuwait invasion.

This is what I was referring to when I stated that there are rationally conceived conspiracy theories and then there are irrational leftist conspiracy theories that tend to just toss everything they can think of against the wall to see if something might stick.

Let me guess, the conspiracy theories you back are the ones that have already been exposed. The unsolved ones are the Leftist ones, right? But what little you see as probable, you would never solve a single conspiracy because they are all too far out for you to even consider investigating. You’d say “I can’t figure out how they did it so it must not have been done.”

Our primary focus due to the attacks of 9-11 should be to prevent further Islamic attacks on the U.S. and Americans at home and abroad and to bring to eliminate the sources of the aggressions from every nook and corner of the world.

Your response is just how Bin Laden and Bush wanted you to respond. ‘Chase those guys all over the world’ until we are broke…as if our wasted 8 trillion on those wars that was tacked onto our debt was money well spent. In case you didn’t notice, Bin Laden attacked our economy and was successful. We won’t look at Bush’s 8 trillion wasted on wars, we’ll complain about Obama’s 8 trillion wasted on bail-outs.

Obviously, there are some American politicians who are willing to deliberately put Americans at risk of death just to promote their agendas.

Brian, you are too absurd for me to be able to converse with. The WTC towers were not hit by some random object, they were hit by commercial airliners filled with American citizens going about their daily lives. The Pentagon was not hit by some random bottle, it was hit by a commercial airliner filled with Americans going about their daily lives. The hijacked airliner that was forced to crash in PA was not some randomly thrown bottle, it was a commercial airliner filled with Americans going about their daily lives. Everyone of those innocent American civilians were murdered by an Islamic faction, not some random, unknown person. We know the "WHO" for the attacks on the U.S., we don't have to go looking for "WHO" because we already know "WHO".

Just an FYI strictly for you, since most others already know these things; the Japanese were the "WHO" at Pearl Harbor, the Tonkin Bay attack was a complete fabrication by Lyndon Johnson and his administration and Iraq was the "WHO" in the last invasion of Kuwait. No random entities tossing bottles, but real and absolute "WHO'S".

An event that has already been "exposed" cannot be a theory. There are many conspiracy theories I figure are worth continuing to investigate that are still unresolved. Since I have already posted some of those events, like the Bay of Tonkin reference, you just don't comprehend or even read about that which you comment on.

So, in your abstract mind, Bin Laden and President W Bush conspired together to commit a world war between Islam and the rest of the world? Like I already stated, you are just too absurd for me to be able to take seriously. Just what would you have done, and to whom, after the Islamic attack of the U.S. on September 11, 2001? Would you have not taken any military action against any nation that harbored and otherwise aided and abetted those who planned and executed the attacks on the U.S., resulting in the murder of thousands of American civilians?

Republican politicians can be just as despicable as Democrats are. It just seems like the entire Democrat platform keeps getting "progressively" (a term used to disuise Socialist and Communist idealism) more leftist fascist. Obama seems to emulate Hugo Chavez more and more every day.

“Now the freaks are on television, the freaks are in the movies. And it’s no longer the sideshow, it’s the whole show. The colorful circus and the clowns and the elephants, for all intents and purposes, are gone, and we’re dealing only with the freaks.” - Jonathan Winters

Guy in your video say "If Jones wants to salvage what credibility he thinks he has left, he MUST show us a working device which uses thermite and cuts a sizable hollow column. It MUST also be small enough to do the job yet hide from the average World Trade Center worker. Anything less is an attempt to deceive the public." Guy in my video destroy guy in your video

Guy in your video like to lie so how we can believe him?

There was much more than just a youtube video in that link.

So, let's review. First you complain about silly formulas that the article did not contain, then you seek to refute arguments that also were not contained in the article. Then you complain about liars?

I'll let your "style" speak for itself.

The article stands uncontested for anyone who wants the real scoop on thermite bunk.

"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." ― Bertrand Russell

Uncovering conspiracies by rogue elements within our government requires a great deal of skepticism, distrust, open-mindedness, perseverance, patience and keen investigative skills. Watching these people do their work is sometimes irritating, especially when they are going after someone you admire. They are called kooks, anti-American and most commonly conspiracy nuts.

We have seen what branches of our government are capable of yet we tend to forget when it is dressed in different clothes. Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassination and the Kuwait invasion are just a few unsolved conspiracies, but what they hope is that the trail goes cold and we just forget about it. But when there is smoke there is usually fire.

I am not convinced of a conspiracy on Pearl Harbor or 911 but the Kennedy assassination, the Kuwait invasion and a UFO cover-up are glaringly obvious. So I admire those who continue to dig into these conspiracies and disregard those who are offended by it. If they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about…just let them investigate without criticizing the inferences.

So, let's review. First you complain about silly formulas that the article did not contain, then you seek to refute arguments that also were not contained in the article. Then you complain about liars?

I'll let your "style" speak for itself.

The article stands uncontested for anyone who wants the real scoop on thermite bunk.

Well, I can't dumb it down anymore. You're completely busted and can't even understand a simple explanation. Either you're too dumb or you yourself are lying.

First you complain about silly formulas that the article did not contain

2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe

2 moles of Al weigh 54 g
1 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 160 g

density of Al=2.64 g/cc
density of Fe2O3=5.24 g/cc

54 grams of Al is equivalent to 20.5 cc of Al.
160g of Fe2O3 is equivalent to 30.5 cc of Fe2O3

then you seek to refute arguments that also were not contained in the article.

0.5*4.2 kg = 2.1 kg = 4.8 lb

That much just to burn a small hole in a small car engine. I bet it's even an aluminum block but lets say it isn't. How much do you think it would take to burn a massive core column? Then add enough to burn for 6 weeks! You see where we're going. You'd need tons.

If Jones wants to salvage what credibility he thinks he has left, he MUST show us a working device which uses thermite and cuts a sizable hollow column.

You can direct it with a canister but that method wouldn't work to cut a column. The canister only makes a small hole.

Hahaha this is getting pathetic man, seriously. You should give up before you make yourself look even more dumb. Maybe thinking's just not your game

America; first we fight for our freedom,
then we make laws to take it away.