You say that if you eat too much you get fat. This is true for the MAJORITY of people, but not everyone.

Yes I abhore pathetic excuses.

I'm not making **** excuses! I'm only interested in the science. Because I want to be leaner than I am (incidentally, I'm not fat), and I want to figure out how my own body works and how to get it to do what I want.

I'll freely admit that I have eaten too many cakes and sweets in the past. I'll go into great detail if you want, and I have on here many times. I'm not hiding anything.

The argument I am trying to make is not a personal one. Please read carefully and understand. On this thread I am aiming to debunk the stupid thermodynamics argument. If everyone were the same, and it was down to calories into your mouth vs physical work done, then everyone's body would behave the same way

I'll freely admit that I have eaten too many cakes and sweets in the past.
Thats very honest of you and I've always had the impression that some folk find it easier than others to abstain from making poor dietary decisions, on a daily basis.
One-offs don't count, the odd indulgence should be part of the "
balance" in their diets, that some people talk about.
Its the daily, repetition of poor diet choices, that does the damage, whether you're skinny or not, imo.

Excessive carbs in the diet goes further than just a wasit line measurement, in harming the body. imo.

One can only presume that you prefer eating cakes to losing weight but that choice is wholly yours.

Feel better for that ?

So while your picking on someone, please try to remind yourself that person is also looking for a better understanding and that not everyone stands in the same place on the lipogenic curve. On account of past diet, age, sex.

Solo, this is my point about the bigotry on here, and in RL. You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude. Arseholes.

One can only presume that you prefer eating cakes to losing weight but that choice is wholly yours.

I like loosing weight, but I also really really like cakes.

Why do I like cakes so much?

You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude.

I agree. Fat people have a problem - self control, self image, physical, whatever it is - but as a society we've managed to build up this exercise/diet thing into some kind of transient religion so it seems to some people like a really big deal to change your lifestyle.

Have you ever spoken to an obese person with low self esteem about exercise?

I am an obese person. I would say I have high self esteem, and just accept that I am fat and old as a fact rather than a failing. I do want to enjoy riding and live long so I am attempting to sort it out.

I don't know how I ended up like this, i used to be a gym bunny, fit as flea. Work, kids a bit of depression a few years a go. Then once you put it on, its bloody hard to shift.

Upto 1960s, people who exercised vigorously and regularly were generally regarded as health nuts. And prior to this time, significant volumes of exercise were considered unhealthy ( I know, difficult to imagine, today ). Then fast forward to the 70s and 80s and we see a boom in running, gym membership and people generally engaging in all manner of exercise.

During the 1960s, Jean Mayer - amongst others - regardless of starving rodents to death in his labs, had turned his attention to creating the belief that the sedentary nature of modern living with its escalators, cars, remote controls, etc. Was contributing to the increase in obesity. Again we see a hypothesis which instinctively appears to 'make sense' and so people started to believe that exercise, lots of it, was the answer.

Thats pretty much how we are where we are today. Burdened with the engrained dogma, this intrinsic link between body fat and exercise.
Good business if your in the recreational, health activity, sector.

You say that if you eat too much you get fat. This is true for the MAJORITY of people, but not everyone.

The idea that these people exist (ectomorphs) is not new (although I suppose understanding the science behind it might be). They are few and far between though so I don't really think it's something worth focusing on. I only know 1 person who actually is a proper ectomorph (rather than someone who THINKS they eat a lot and stay thin but in reality just pick at their food and don't eat much at all).

You can see the smashthefat guy has very little muscle mass, despite being a trainer, so I would surmise he finds it very difficult to gain weight of any kind. Also I don't think he's trying to debunk "calories in vs calories out" - I just skimmed the pseudoscience on his site but I think he seems to be saying that his body is simply not absorbing the extra calories (and presumably excreting them) rather than energy just magically appearing or disappearing. I would also guess he has never been fat or had a problem with insulin resistance so I would bet the number of people who could replicate his experiment and get the same result are very few and far between.

You see fat people tentativly heading to the gym to try and sort their lives out, and people laugh at them, patronise them, or are just plain rude.

I certainly wouldn't be rude; if they asked for advice though I would tell them that unless they'd sorted their diet out they were wasting their time. It is much easier for an obese person to lose weight simply by eating better - no gym required. It's unlikely they'd be fit enough to sustain the volume of exercise required to actually make a difference anyway.

As diets go I can not emphasise just how easy the 5:2 diet is. Maybe it is phycological ie knowing you only have to do it for 2 days. Either way it is easy peasy. And just as importantly good for you. Try it and see.
Either way I am off to the village party where there will be lashing of cake and cider/beer. Followed by a cycle to the pub, only 6 miles and assuming I am not to rat arsed only 6 miles home. I will remove all those excess calories on Tuesday and Thursday by eating only 500 calories. When I say 500 calories I mean exactly that. I will check on the net that I have got it exactly right. No cheating with me

The human body/heat engine analogy always looked a little suspect to me but I'm starting to realise that it's not as far off as I thought.
Try tipping a bag of sugar into your fuel tank and see where it gets you.

.loum - Member
The human body/heat engine analogy always looked a little suspect to me but I'm starting to realise that it's not as far off as I thought.
Try tipping a bag of sugar into your fuel tank and see where it gets you.

.toys19 - Member
I don't know how I ended up like this, i used to be a gym bunny, fit as flea. Work, kids a bit of depression a few years a go.

I swear on my childrens lives I have only just noticed the bit about depression. Now I am really pissed off as it looks like I had prior knowledge before I wrote the bit about toys r us needs to see a phycologist. Bugger