Spivkurl wrote:In the same way, is anything "wrong?" Were the nazis wrong? Could not the morality the "we" agree upon be wrong? If things are as connected as you believe, then there are connections between these things. Individuals can decide what is right or wrong for themselves, and yet things such as fascism and morality are separate from this. They are out of our control, unless we are the fascists or moralists in question, who force our beliefs of right on wrong on others.

Very well put. This is the dilemma and gets to the core of relativism vs absolutism. The world already made the choice; God is dead. Relativism won.

Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!"
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.

"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."

It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"

Spivkurl wrote:So dancing can not exist without information? It is in direct opposition to meditation? In your experience, there is no possible way to separate yourself from the rest of the cosmos or it's objects? Serious questions really.

Don't be tempted unto semantics because of the word 'information'. Can anything exist without information (form), vibrations? So far, all our knowledge can be expressed using mathematics, and everything is said to vibrate at a frequency. If you can prove to me you can separate yourself from the cosmos, I'd be mightily impressed. Hell, if you could desynchronise yourself from the constant flow of energetic-information (the vibrations that make up reality) you'd change the way I perceive everything. I haven't seen evidence that it's possible, yet. That's why the elites believe we're trapped in a computer simulation. With all the money/resources in the world theycan't achieve the feat of escape. That is unless you believe they already have, and keep it secret. But that would mean we can too