Mark and Andrew interview Jeff Cavins, who is well-known in the Catholic world for his Great Adventure Bible Timeline, his books, his pilgrimages and his work in Catholic media. But, of course, in classic Over the Counter style, the interview focuses on Jeff's other interests: tea, bull-riding, Harley Davidsons, Macintosh geekdom, Jeff's early participation in the Internet, HyperCard, UFC, and the perfect cup of coffee.