wire fraud and money transfer charges, now naming 4 schools and athletes being paid to attend those schools.....Kansas, NC State, Miami and Louisville. Said the investigation is now expanding, don't think this is going away. They essentially put out a caveat at the end...if you have info, come see us before we come see you.

Federal prosecutors have filed additional counts against ex-Adidas rep Jim Gatto in college basketball fraud scandal. Involves payments to the families of former players at Louisville, Miami, Kansas and N.C. State.

Yeah, anyone with half a brain can see where this is going. College basketball isn't the political realm or the organized crime realm. One kernel is going to lead to another and pretty soon everyone will be turning on everyone else, pointing fingers and saying it was him or her too.

I knew it was only a matter of time before Calipari had that program in a mess. He's done that everywhere he has been the Head coach. UMASS has never fully recovered from the damage he did to their program.

wire fraud and money transfer charges, now naming 4 schools and athletes being paid to attend those schools.....Kansas, NC State, Miami and Louisville. Said the investigation is now expanding, don't think this is going away. They essentially put out a caveat at the end...if you have info, come see us before we come see you.

steveaustin69

Uh yea, maybe he read the article and knows who the code names are for.

I did.

Did you not?

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The indictment does not say anyone at Kansas was aware of the payments to the players.

“Earlier today, we learned that the University of Kansas is named as a victim in a federal indictment,” Joe Monaco, Kansas’ director of strategic communications said in a statement. “The indictment does not suggest any wrongdoing by the university, its coaches or its staff. We will cooperate fully with investigators in this matter. Because this is an active investigation, it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time.”

Kansas is a victim!!!!! So we are to believe kids were being funneled to Kansas without their knowledge? On what planet would this make sense? The shoe company would send a kid to school who wasn't in on the game for what reason?

What does the FBI do that you do trust? Since you understand and know the FBI so well and are able to parse out what you do trust about the FBI and what you don't trust about the FBI... I'm interested to know.

Yes the schools are going to skate on this. The investigation is purposely being slanted towards the athletes families and the money runners. Families are probably going to get hit by IRS......family of one KS player got $90k most likely Billy Preston that never played a game. Money runners for wire fraud.....schools no problem.

What is not believable is Bill Self suddenly starting to land Top 5 players in the country after not even being able to land the one and done early on and he doesn't have a clue how it happened. He has landed Top 5 Top 10 players that they were long shots at best, to get. Does he just think wow, we are getting lucky. This makes 3 players from Ks that are in the money Jackson, Preston and they say the third is DeSousa or Garrett. Self and Gatto have had a long running relationship (at least since Illinois, maybe Tulsa) and Self admitted in a radio interview several months back that "oh Im sure I will come up, I'm sure I'm on speed dial in his phone, we talk several times a season" I am certain nothing is going to happen to the schools but I am pretty damn certain Self has a pretty good idea some of these guys families were getting what they could.

Yes the schools are going to skate on this. The investigation is purposely being slanted towards the athletes families and the money runners. Families are probably going to get hit by IRS......family of one KS player got $90k most likely Billy Preston that never played a game. Money runners for wire fraud.....schools no problem.

What is not believable is Bill Self suddenly starting to land Top 5 players in the country after not even being able to land the one and done early on and he doesn't have a clue how it happened. He has landed Top 5 Top 10 players that they were long shots at best, to get. Does he just think wow, we are getting lucky. This makes 3 players from Ks that are in the money Jackson, Preston and they say the third is DeSousa or Garrett. Self and Gatto have had a long running relationship (at least since Illinois, maybe Tulsa) and Self admitted in a radio interview several months back that "oh Im sure I will come up, I'm sure I'm on speed dial in his phone, we talk several times a season" I am certain nothing is going to happen to the schools but I am pretty damn certain Self has a pretty good idea some of these guys families were getting what they could.

Your assuming none of these “family members” turn states evidence on their school.

Your assuming none of these “family members” turn states evidence on their school.

Well the FBI is certainly giving them the opportunity. As I stated in the opening post they closed it out with "if you have information about any of these crimes it will be better for you to come see us, before we come see you. A NC State assistant coach is already alleged to be in on payments.......time will tell. The indictment goes out of it's way to state Gatto and the families conspired to keep the institutions from learning of the payments. That's not to say that it wasn't at a coach's urging.

What does the FBI do that you do trust? Since you understand and know the FBI so well and are able to parse out what you do trust about the FBI and what you don't trust about the FBI... I'm interested to know.

Well the FBI is certainly giving them the opportunity. As I stated in the opening post they closed it out with "if you have information about any of these crimes it will be better for you to come see us, before we come see you. A NC State assistant coach is already alleged to be in on payments.......time will tell. The indictment goes out of it's way to state Gatto and the families conspired to keep the institutions from learning of the payments. That's not to say that it wasn't at a coach's urging.

Yeah, anyone with half a brain can see where this is going. College basketball isn't the political realm or the organized crime realm. One kernel is going to lead to another and pretty soon everyone will be turning on everyone else, pointing fingers and saying it was him or her too.

This is just the wave starting to gain momentum.

This wave has been needed ever since the NCAA became inept when Emmert was hired.

Well the FBI is certainly giving them the opportunity. As I stated in the opening post they closed it out with "if you have information about any of these crimes it will be better for you to come see us, before we come see you.

Should we forward this info to Kimberli and Al? If they are proactive about this they might just get off with lightly with just a "slap on the ankle" bracelet. Al, being so sick and all, would just keel over and kick the bucket if he had to move into a room at the big house.

In the release it says the coaches knew nothing about the money. Adidas was going behind their back in their dealings with the players.

Doesn’t matter. Coaches hold ultimate responsibility now pretty much with anything with the NCAA rules. It only might lessen any NCAA penalties if proven the coach didn’t know. The NCAA though believes someone should be responsible and know what goes on and have made the coaches the one.

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Doesn’t matter. Coaches hold ultimate responsibility now pretty much with anything with the NCAA rules. It only might lessen any NCAA penalties if proven the coach didn’t know. The NCAA though believes someone should be responsible and know what goes on and have made the coaches the one.

What is your basis for this belief? Louisville? That was a pretty egregious situation of obvious lack of institutional control.

I'll believe heads will roll when high profile names/schools are directly linked to payments.

What is your basis for this belief? Louisville? That was a pretty egregious situation of obvious lack of institutional control.

I'll believe heads will roll when high profile names/schools are directly linked to payments.

I'm inclined to agree. Some of these coaches have been cheating so long, and gotten so proficient at it, they'll never pin 'em down. And, even if a guy like Calipari were linked directly to a payment; even if the evidence was overwhelming--his worst case would be that he'd surface within a week as the head coach someplace else, and the beat goes on.

What is your basis for this belief? Louisville? That was a pretty egregious situation of obvious lack of institutional control.

I'll believe heads will roll when high profile names/schools are directly linked to payments.

The NCAA holds coaches responsible for the most part. One way is the proverbial “institutional control” rules. That being said yes I agree heads will roll. Even perhaps some coaches that claim no knowledge of payments and such. That’s why I posted what I did. We in effect agree this time.

I'm inclined to agree. Some of these coaches have been cheating so long, and gotten so proficient at it, they'll never pin 'em down. And, even if a guy like Calipari were linked directly to a payment; even if the evidence was overwhelming--his worst case would be that he'd surface within a week as the head coach someplace else, and the beat goes on.

I don’t think Cal would get off so easy this time and get hired in college again.

If the NCAA is not 100% embarrassed that the FBI had to come in and clean up what the NCAA has overlooked for years, there is no hope. That being said, most of the interviews I have heard with national guys that cover the sport 24/7 have indicated the NCAA is embarrassed and will take the information from the FBI probe and act on it.

You can't tell me that Kansas is having multiple players families receive large sums of money from their apparel partner and they don't have a clue. If they don't have a clue then that should be punishable in itself. I find it hard to believe when you are recruiting kids/kids families that are waiting for the $100k payoff that there aren't some overtones even if you aren't the one making the payment.

We will see what happens. I personally don't expect much to happen to schools or head coaches from this or than vacated wins from playing ineligible players. What I think the NCAA should do to the major offenders is put them on a level of probation that for years if they have another incident they get the death penalty. You could try to do a reset that way without harming the game as it is or media deals that are in place.

There's nothing yet to tie UK, KU, or Duke to any issues. Duke and UK had a player with a meal. Under $200 means pay back and play. They were both cleared to continue playing. Bam taking money in high school means UK could lose games but he denies receiving money at this point. The documented "Bad Loan" may mean someone was paid to get Bam to NC St. and he didn't go. No evidence has come out yet. KU was stated to be a victim and they didn't know. They may have to forfeit games but doubt they tie it to Self.

I know, I know everyone in the country is guilty but let it play out and see. My guess would be this: Any coach that was involved will get the school in trouble. If no coaches are tied to anything, they get off easy. Maybe loss of games, maybe not.

If new info comes out, then something new may be an option. UL should be fried for 2 reasons. 1. A coach was involved. 2. They were already on probation. They had an appeal in place but 1. The punishment had already been set, and 2. They didn't appeal the probation. (That's the biggie for them)

Smoking gun for Duke is that the Begley family went from 40k household income to riches.