Gary, if you visit Uncommon Descent and speak to Kairosfocus he may allow you to present your theory for discussion. All the finest minds in ID post there and they might enjoy helping to debug and refine your work.

For those of you who live in the Seattle area (which now includes me), the “Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club” are hosting an event on the 28th of November from 7pm till 9pm in Lake Hills Library (15590 Lake Hills Blvd, Bellevue, WA). Here’s the event description from the website:

Has Denyse fled Canada? Is the Toronto Based Journalist™ now a damnyankee? Has her Coffee!! habit become so all powerful and consuming that she's moved to The Source of All Things Caffeine™? Does anybody care? Link

I have a nephew who lives in Seattle. I must warn him immediately.

On the bright side, if Denyse stays away from Toronto until the spring stunting season, then the EdgeWalk will finally be safe for decent people.

It is all about the truth.Who decides when truth is well founded by the evidence?Who decides when the evidence is based on legitimate investagation?

These ‘judges” or anyone deciding these things is stupid.

If conclusions are being taught in schools on origin subjects and there is censorship of other conclusions then the state is making a opinion on truth.!How is this not so?If they say Genesis is wrong then they are saying a religious idea is wrong?!If the state can say its wrong then it can say its right for the same principal!The state is not being neutral on religion.

What is the truth and is there a right to seek and discover and teach the truth in public institutions?YEC and ID use the same methodology for conclusions , including its criticisms, as anyone else.YEC and ID are smart people observing and figuring out natures story.To judge us as not doing so is a attack on our intelligence, integrity, and general relationship of free men in a mutual nation(s).These are days of moral and intellectual oppression from a unrepresentative establishment.Creationism(s) are just another front.

It is all about the truth.Who decides when truth is well founded by the evidence?Who decides when the evidence is based on legitimate investagation?

These ‘judges” or anyone deciding these things is stupid.

If conclusions are being taught in schools on origin subjects and there is censorship of other conclusions then the state is making a opinion on truth.!How is this not so?If they say Genesis is wrong then they are saying a religious idea is wrong?!If the state can say its wrong then it can say its right for the same principal!The state is not being neutral on religion.

What is the truth and is there a right to seek and discover and teach the truth in public institutions?YEC and ID use the same methodology for conclusions , including its criticisms, as anyone else.YEC and ID are smart people observing and figuring out natures story.To judge us as not doing so is a attack on our intelligence, integrity, and general relationship of free men in a mutual nation(s).These are days of moral and intellectual oppression from a unrepresentative establishment.Creationism(s) are just another front.

For those of you who live in the Seattle area (which now includes me), the “Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club” are hosting an event on the 28th of November from 7pm till 9pm in Lake Hills Library (15590 Lake Hills Blvd, Bellevue, WA). Here’s the event description from the website:

Has Denyse fled Canada? Is the Toronto Based Journalist™ now a damnyankee? Has her Coffee!! habit become so all powerful and consuming that she's moved to The Source of All Things Caffeine™? Does anybody care? Link

I have a nephew who lives in Seattle. I must warn him immediately.

On the bright side, if Denyse stays away from Toronto until the spring stunting season, then the EdgeWalk will finally be safe for decent people.

And Casey "Tits" Luskin is going to the meeting, according to the meetup page. We could be heading for a Black Hole of Tard.

I've got some family in Seattle. Perhaps one of them will be willing to get a picture of the event. I'm sure that future ID scientists tardaholics will find it as historically important as the 5th Solvay Conference.

Robert ByersNovember 1, 2012 at 1:47 pmKantian Naturalist.You say the “coercive nature of the state” means the state can’t allow creationism.If its coercive then its doing so in saying Genesis is false in its conclusions by teaching evolution etc and by banning creationism in a subject that is abiut teaching the TRUTH on origins.The state has a religious opinion by banning religious opinion in absolute truths being taught.How not so?If the state says creationism(s) are religious ideas about origins then banning them on subjects dealing with origins is a state opinion that the religious opinions are FALSE.Thats logic and law.Creationism just needs more good lawyers and cases to work with I say.Censorship in a free nation is absurd.In America its traitorous.They are using the state to attack Christianity by their own lines of reasoning.They are also obstructing the search for truth on mutual heritage of mankind.its that damn important to them.So be it!

By that reasoning, the state can't provide medical care to students, since that's taking a position contrary to certain religious beliefs. Or teach...well...virtually anything.

What a dumbass. This guy is distinctly dumber than the avg UDer, which is something.

Withouit gOd interfering everyone would today have been killed , by Satan, in car accidents and the planet leaving its orbit.

By Satan, in car accidents and the planet leaving its orbit? That seems a little over-thorough.

Best to leave nothing to chance.

Or regularity.

--------------"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

For those of you who live in the Seattle area (which now includes me), the “Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club” are hosting an event on the 28th of November from 7pm till 9pm in Lake Hills Library (15590 Lake Hills Blvd, Bellevue, WA). Here’s the event description from the website:

Has Denyse fled Canada? Is the Toronto Based Journalist™ now a damnyankee? Has her Coffee!! habit become so all powerful and consuming that she's moved to The Source of All Things Caffeine™? Does anybody care? Link

I have a nephew who lives in Seattle. I must warn him immediately.

On the bright side, if Denyse stays away from Toronto until the spring stunting season, then the EdgeWalk will finally be safe for decent people.

And Casey "Tits" Luskin is going to the meeting, according to the meetup page. We could be heading for a Black Hole of Tard.

I've got some family in Seattle. Perhaps one of them will be willing to get a picture of the event. I'm sure that future ID scientists tardaholics will find it as historically important as the 5th Solvay Conference.

It is really sad for the city that Seattle is always mentioned in the same breath as the Discovery Institute and its cultists. One should not forget that Seattle is a city of science that is currently celebrating the 50th anniversary of the 1962 world's fair. Back then the US science pavilion presented state of the art biological science during this event and the narrative of this part of the exhibition (correctly) stated that genetics and molecular biology are brainchildren of evolution theory. Seattle really deserves better.

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

For those of you who live in the Seattle area (which now includes me), the “Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club” are hosting an event on the 28th of November from 7pm till 9pm in Lake Hills Library (15590 Lake Hills Blvd, Bellevue, WA). Here’s the event description from the website:

Has Denyse fled Canada? Is the Toronto Based Journalist™ now a damnyankee? Has her Coffee!! habit become so all powerful and consuming that she's moved to The Source of All Things Caffeine™? Does anybody care? Link

I have a nephew who lives in Seattle. I must warn him immediately.

On the bright side, if Denyse stays away from Toronto until the spring stunting season, then the EdgeWalk will finally be safe for decent people.

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This promises to be an interesting event. Casey Luskin and myself (Jonathan McLatchie) intend to be there, and it would be good to meet other ID proponents in the area.

so perhaps Toronto still isn't safe.

--------------It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

For those of you who live in the Seattle area (which now includes me), the “Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club” are hosting an event on the 28th of November from 7pm till 9pm in Lake Hills Library (15590 Lake Hills Blvd, Bellevue, WA). Here’s the event description from the website:

Has Denyse fled Canada? Is the Toronto Based Journalist™ now a damnyankee? Has her Coffee!! habit become so all powerful and consuming that she's moved to The Source of All Things Caffeine™? Does anybody care? Link

I have a nephew who lives in Seattle. I must warn him immediately.

On the bright side, if Denyse stays away from Toronto until the spring stunting season, then the EdgeWalk will finally be safe for decent people.

At the bottom of the post it says

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This promises to be an interesting event. Casey Luskin and myself (Jonathan McLatchie) intend to be there, and it would be good to meet other ID proponents in the area.

so perhaps Toronto still isn't safe.

Hmm, that sure does make it look as though mclatchie was "News" for that article and it looks as though mclatchie is the one who moved to Seattle. Will mclatchie soon add 'DI fellow' to his CV (or has he added it already)?

According to his profile on the Seattle Analytic Philosophy Club website he still claimed Glasgow, Scotland as his location as of October 12th:

Satan:OK Bobby, we've been expecting you.Bobby:It wasn't me, I promise.Satan:Nevermind that, go on over to the de-orbiting section.Bobby:Can't I have car crashes?Satan: No Bobby you're already dead.Bobby:But I was told that Newton's first law of motion showed that the Earth couldn't leave it's orbit without god's intervention.Satan:SHUT UP SMARTASS AND PUSH ON THAT FUCKING WALL AND DON'T STOP UNTIL I TELL YOU

Anybody who has watched the Ben Stein documentary EXPELLED will know that defenders of ID face some pressure in this western secularized culture. Sometimes, however, when I speak before ID-friendly audiences, I’m asked about the “persecution” of ID defenders. In response, I always make clear that “persecution” is really the wrong term to describe what we’re going through here in the U.S. and in other Western nations.

By “persecution,” we’re not just talking about losing your job or reputation, but being shipped of to the Gulag and tortured. Nothing remotely like that has happened to any ID advocate here in the West, myself included. Yes, I’ve been fired, vilified, and marginalized. But I’ve always managed to find another job and always had supporters to encourage me. This is nothing like what people in Communist countries experienced during the Cold War, and many Christian believers still experience.

William Dembski at UD:

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This affront to academic freedom, unfortunately, is a common experience among academic representatives and defenders of intelligent design as a research program. Though the debacle surrounding the Polanyi Center was not covered in the film, similar cases involving academic persecution of ID researchers at a variety of institutions formed the subject of a Ben Stein documentary titled Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, which was released in spring 2008.

“What has happened to professor Marks is censorship pure and simple,” said Cary Luskin, of the Discovery Institute, in a news release published by the organization on Sept. 6. “Baylor University has proven yet again that academic freedom has been thrown off campus and academic persecution is now the norm.”

Actually, we’re already there. Many Darwinists critical of ID no longer reside in the culture of rational discourse. They know they are right as much as any religious dogmatist. But the alarmism takes this one step further. Because denial poses a danger to the body politic, deniers must to rooted out. Moreover, those who root them out, as the defenders of virtue against evil, thus require additional powers to root them out. After that, persecution Soviet-style is not far away.

The list doesn't mention the opportuities when Dr. Demsbki had the chance to correct other UD posters and commenters on the missuse of the term "persecution".

--------------"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."