Then cap the number of children on which the government pays benefits and offer abortions through Medicaid. But no, that's not possible because all life is sacred. ;)

As repugnant as this woman and her ilk are, they're just making an economic decision based on incentives. So until we reach a reasonable compromise, they'll be an endless supply of welfare state poster moms for y'all to trot out.

CoMoChief

11-19-2012, 09:20 AM

Ah, so you probably have a thread on Octomom?

Can you link it?

any other cases besides octomom you can pull up?

BucEyedPea

11-19-2012, 09:39 AM

But abortion is BAD!

Free love ROCKS!

BucEyedPea

11-19-2012, 09:39 AM

Abortion should not be used as birth control.

CoMoChief

11-19-2012, 10:12 AM

Abortion should not be used as birth control.

This x10000000000

BigMeatballDave

11-19-2012, 10:20 AM

STOP FUCKING

BigMeatballDave

11-19-2012, 10:22 AM

She should have had her tubes tied 12 kids ago.

Deberg_1990

11-19-2012, 10:27 AM

The worst part about this womens kids and a lot of womens kids like her is that these kids will most likely grow up in poverty, then have kids at a young age and they will grow up in poverty. Wash, Rinse, repeat………How can we do better as a society to end this cycle?

vailpass

11-19-2012, 10:37 AM

Bitch is shooting out prison fodder and welfare magnets as fast as she can breed. No aid until she is sterilized.

Amnorix

11-19-2012, 10:38 AM

Ye gods...

CoMoChief

11-19-2012, 10:53 AM

The worst part about this womens kids and a lot of womens kids like her is that these kids will most likely grow up in poverty, then have kids at a young age and they will grow up in poverty. Wash, Rinse, repeat………How can we do better as a society to end this cycle?

What liberals don't understand, is that these big govt globalist monsters (both rep and dem) WANT this to happen. They want people to be dependent on them so that they can control them.

The worst part about this womens kids and a lot of womens kids like her is that these kids will most likely grow up in poverty, then have kids at a young age and they will grow up in poverty. Wash, Rinse, repeat………How can we do better as a society to end this cycle?

Squirt on the tits

Rain Man

11-19-2012, 12:33 PM

Squirt on the tits

This is a good idea. The government should start providing grants to porn producers who include more money shots on areas above the waist, and should start taxing money shots anywhere below the waist other than maybe anal. I think anal would be fine as long as the script makes it very clear what's going on.

I feel sorry for the kids in this story, though. The odds are stacked against them because their mother is a mess, and their father(s) are useless.

bandwagonjumper

11-19-2012, 02:18 PM

What is funny is that if she wanted to abort some of them you would be the first to object.

What liberals don't understand, is that these big govt globalist monsters (both rep and dem) WANT this to happen. They want people to be dependent on them so that they can control them.

Now, they're trying to do it to us by blaming markets when it's been their policies.

Cave Johnson

11-19-2012, 03:01 PM

This is a good idea. The government should start providing grants to porn producers who include more money shots on areas above the waist, and should start taxing money shots anywhere below the waist other than maybe anal. I think anal would be fine as long as the script makes it very clear what's going on.

I feel sorry for the kids in this story, though. The odds are stacked against them because their mother is a mess, and their father(s) are useless.

Provocative and racially charged thread. Is this the prototypical case that should define the issue? No. But how do you ignore 15 kids and a "Somebody needs to be pay for all my children." rant? Wow. Seems obvious that she's currently incapable of raising those kids. If ever there was a case for court ordered birth control, this would be it. I feel for those kids. The deck is stacked against them. They didn't ask for any of this.

T-post Tom

11-20-2012, 08:50 AM

What liberals don't understand, is that these big govt globalist monsters (both rep and dem) WANT this to happen. They want people to be dependent on them so that they can control them.

I've said for years that any woman on welfare who gets pregnant gets her freebie and then a NorPlant under her skin for 5 years of forced birth control...and replace every 5 years as long as she's on welfare. Sexist? I'd do the same to any dude...just don't know anything as convenient. I'm sure to many of you this might seem heavy-handed but I'm afraid that's where we're at...with over 40% of all births going to unwed mothers.

R8RFAN

11-20-2012, 12:19 PM

I've said for years that any woman on welfare who gets pregnant gets her freebie and then a NorPlant under her skin for 5 years of forced birth control...and replace every 5 years as long as she's on welfare. Sexist? I'd do the same to any dude...just don't know anything as convenient. I'm sure to many of you this might seem heavy-handed but I'm afraid that's where we're at...with over 40% of all births going to unwed mothers.

ACLU would be on you faster than bees on a rotten apple

Radar Chief

11-20-2012, 12:22 PM

I've said for years that any woman on welfare who gets pregnant gets her freebie and then a NorPlant under her skin for 5 years of forced birth control...and replace every 5 years as long as she's on welfare. Sexist? I'd do the same to any dude...just don't know anything as convenient. I'm sure to many of you this might seem heavy-handed but I'm afraid that's where we're at...with over 40% of all births going to unwed mothers.

Not at all.

fan4ever

11-20-2012, 12:23 PM

ACLU would be on you faster than bees on a rotten apple

Oh, I know...there would be a helluva lot "How dare you restrict her right to reproduce; she's a victim...just like those kids she cranks out every 10 months".

Those kids must just about fall out of her by now; she probably thought the last couple were p*ssy farts.

Taco John

11-20-2012, 02:57 PM

Someone has got to be held accountable.

blaise

11-20-2012, 06:21 PM

Someone has got to be held accountable.

Yep. People making over $250,000 a year.

lewdog

11-20-2012, 06:28 PM

I've said for years that any woman on welfare who gets pregnant gets her freebie and then a NorPlant under her skin for 5 years of forced birth control...and replace every 5 years as long as she's on welfare. Sexist? I'd do the same to any dude...just don't know anything as convenient. I'm sure to many of you this might seem heavy-handed but I'm afraid that's where we're at...with over 40% of all births going to unwed mothers.

I agree. If you aren't smart enough to figure out how birth control works, you probably shouldn't be passing your genes on to anyone!

Easy 6

11-20-2012, 06:49 PM

I've said for years that any woman on welfare who gets pregnant gets her freebie and then a NorPlant under her skin for 5 years of forced birth control...and replace every 5 years as long as she's on welfare. Sexist? I'd do the same to any dude...just don't know anything as convenient. I'm sure to many of you this might seem heavy-handed but I'm afraid that's where we're at...with over 40% of all births going to unwed mothers.

100% agreed.

Those free norplants will be a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run.

This kind of irresponsible behavior has to be squashed.

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 11:38 AM

But abortion is BAD!

Lack of responsibility and free entitlements runs runs together, Oh the Social way of the Liberals. Oh but they can train them, teach them to be responsible.......Keep living that dream Lib's, it's imbedded into them.

Gotta love it.

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 11:41 AM

She should have had her tubes tied 12 kids ago.

Yep.

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Taco John View Post
Someone has got to be held accountable.

Yep. People making over $250,000 a year.

WINNER !

Chiefspants

11-23-2012, 11:58 AM

But guise?!1?! Wht about the life of the unborn child?!?11111?!1/1?1

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 12:02 PM

But guise?!1?! Wht about the life of the unborn child?!?11111?!1/1?1

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Brock

11-23-2012, 12:23 PM

Lack of responsibility and free entitlements runs runs together, Oh the Social way of the Liberals. Oh but they can train them, teach them to be responsible.......Keep living that dream Lib's, it's imbedded into them.

Gotta love it.

What are you talking about?

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 12:44 PM

What are you talking about?

Being responsible and not letting the people bankrupt the country through entitlements.

You want to blame the right because abortion is bad yet she wasn't smart enough to be responsible, of which could have prevented her situation. But the system is a cash crop to people like this and entitlements only feed their lifestyle that you and I support.

To people like her, you can't train or teach, she is too far into the system and too old to change her ways.

A victim of the social society that we are feeding.

Brock

11-23-2012, 12:52 PM

Being responsible and not letting the people bankrupt the country through entitlements.

You want to blame the right because abortion is bad yet she wasn't smart enough to be responsible, of which could have prevented her situation. But the system is a cash crop to people like this and entitlements only feed their lifestyle that you and I support.

To people like her, you can't train or teach, she is too far into the system and too old to change her ways.

A victim of the social society that we are feeding.

Come back to reality, Roy. These people aren't going to change under any circumstances. They're going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. Their kids are going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. Their grandchildren are going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. And people like you want to limit abortion on moral grounds never mind the reality we're living in.

PunkinDrublic

11-23-2012, 01:54 PM

It's like a female Willie Horton ad.

ROYC75

11-23-2012, 02:00 PM

Come back to reality, Roy. These people aren't going to change under any circumstances. They're going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. Their kids are going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. Their grandchildren are going to be stupid and poor and a drain on the country. And people like you want to limit abortion on moral grounds never mind the reality we're living in.

I agree, reason we have to change the way the entitlements are used, it's a cash crop for having babies and a genuine lifestyle for them. Uncle Sam will take care of me, I have it bad.

Who says abortion has to be involved with entitlement reform? That's a different topic.

CoMoChief

11-23-2012, 02:07 PM

Why should anyone not friends/family be repsonsible for someone elses bad decisions?

If some slut decides to go out and get pregnant with 15 kids with multiple fathers, why in the hell should well mannered productive citizens foot the bill for this person's irresponsible actions. There shouldn't be any empathy for this person.

Sorry ....no help whatsoever. What a waste to society. I wanna feel bad for the kids...but then again it's not my problem.

Bump

11-23-2012, 02:18 PM

I agree. If you aren't smart enough to figure out how birth control works, you probably shouldn't be passing your genes on to anyone!

using birth control is a one way ticket to HELL!!!

HonestChieffan

11-23-2012, 05:33 PM

Multi generation welfare folk. This is where we are

RedNeckRaider

11-23-2012, 06:10 PM

Multi generation welfare folk. This is where we are

It is the biggest scam going. The shitbags who make themselves feel better by putting on blinders and ignore this fact are the problem with this country. It is a permanent problem that was intended to be a solution temporary problem~

lewdog

11-23-2012, 06:57 PM

using birth control is a one way ticket to HELL!!!

Yea that and abortion, but I am for both so consider my ticket punched!

Sweet Daddy Hate

11-24-2012, 01:50 PM

Well, no one from Raider Nation could foot the bill much less have enough to order from the value menu, so...

Rain Man

11-24-2012, 02:46 PM

So I have a question. What do we as a society do about these kids? I see only three options:

1. If the woman can't provide food and shelter for them, take them away and do the foster home thing or some sort of state home for the Children Of The Stupid.

If someone has a fourth option, feel free to offer it. But which of these options would you pick?

In this particular case, Option 1 seems good. You don't want those kids growing up with that woman as an example. But then you have to draw a line. What if she's stupid and irresponsible and has 1 kid? What if she's caring and unlucky and has 9 kids?

Philosophically, I like Option 3. But I'm not sure if Option 3 produces 15 petty thieves and prison residents in the long run.

Is #2 really the best option? And can you do it under the condition that she gets sterilized?

PunkinDrublic

11-24-2012, 02:55 PM

Add in a scary black panther guy at the polling place, a phony voter fraud paranoia and you've hit the trifecta of Republican bogey men.

HonestChieffan

11-24-2012, 06:00 PM

So I have a question. What do we as a society do about these kids? I see only three options:

1. If the woman can't provide food and shelter for them, take them away and do the foster home thing or some sort of state home for the Children Of The Stupid.

If someone has a fourth option, feel free to offer it. But which of these options would you pick?

In this particular case, Option 1 seems good. You don't want those kids growing up with that woman as an example. But then you have to draw a line. What if she's stupid and irresponsible and has 1 kid? What if she's caring and unlucky and has 9 kids?

Philosophically, I like Option 3. But I'm not sure if Option 3 produces 15 petty thieves and prison residents in the long run.

Is #2 really the best option? And can you do it under the condition that she gets sterilized?

Im coming around to abortion. The more I know abot the abortees the more I begin to see the benefit

Brock

11-24-2012, 06:05 PM

Im coming around to abortion. The more I know abot the abortees the more I begin to see the benefit

What took you so long?

HonestChieffan

11-24-2012, 06:20 PM

What took you so long?

I guess i still oppose killing little kids. Im not there yet
Must be a dad thing. A child is a gift. Mine is anyway. We dont always agree but I love him unconditionally. Im torn between my view and the rational view that maybe we as a countey and society are better off with open free abortions. But i have reservations that we should not do such a horrible act.

Babies are special and every baby has the potential for amazing things. Is it rational to kill them before the potential expresses itself?

Brock

11-24-2012, 06:57 PM

I guess i still oppose killing little kids. Im not there yet
Must be a dad thing. A child is a gift. Mine is anyway. We dont always agree but I love him unconditionally. Im torn between my view and the rational view that maybe we as a countey and society are better off with open free abortions. But i have reservations that we should not do such a horrible act.

Babies are special and every baby has the potential for amazing things. Is it rational to kill them before the potential expresses itself?

Is it rational to keep paying and paying and paying for worthless generation after worthless generation of people who will never be anything but a burden for the rest of us?

Ah, good point that abortion is a fourth option in my scenarios. But how do you do it? Is it free for any woman who wants, or covered under insurance or whatever? Is it counseled among women who clearly don't have the capacity to support the child (and who makes that judgment)? I don't think you can mandate it, so that's out.

Do you pay women to get an abortion if they clearly can't support the child? I think you'd have a tough time getting that passed.

The other issue is that a lot of women have a child when they can't afford it, but within a few years they settle down and move out of poverty. So it would be hard to make any kind of judgment based on current situation.

I guess the only real options in this regard would be to either subsidize with counseling, counsel it without subsidizing, or just allow it and let women decide themselves.

lewdog

11-24-2012, 08:38 PM

Is it rational to keep paying and paying and paying for worthless generation after worthless generation of people who will never be anything but a burden for the rest of us?

Yup, all for abortion for unwanted or soon to be neglected children of unfit mothers.

If you think adoption and foster care is a good option, I strongly disagree. Kids raised in foster care are almost twice as likely to develop psychological and mental health issues. And I find it worse to bring a child into this world, someday knowing it was not wanted, than to abort one before it develops the ability to define that rationalization.

nstygma

11-24-2012, 09:00 PM

I feel that limiting abortions to those of a pre-birth status is a discriminatory practice.

ThaVirus

11-24-2012, 11:17 PM

So I have a question. What do we as a society do about these kids? I see only three options:

1. If the woman can't provide food and shelter for them, take them away and do the foster home thing or some sort of state home for the Children Of The Stupid.

If someone has a fourth option, feel free to offer it. But which of these options would you pick?

In this particular case, Option 1 seems good. You don't want those kids growing up with that woman as an example. But then you have to draw a line. What if she's stupid and irresponsible and has 1 kid? What if she's caring and unlucky and has 9 kids?

Philosophically, I like Option 3. But I'm not sure if Option 3 produces 15 petty thieves and prison residents in the long run.

Is #2 really the best option? And can you do it under the condition that she gets sterilized?

These are some good questions here..

1. You take all of the children away from their mother and each other. They grow up in a more stable environment, but psychologically I think you do more harm than good.

2. You reward these types of women for being whores.

3. You get to keep a few more dollars each paycheck, but they'll become your problem when they're on the corner begging you for change, breaking into your car, or robbing you at gun point.

For the record, I don't like any of these options, but I can't help but judge the people that complain about "going to work everyday to support Shaniqua and her 4 kids". I know they work hard for their money, but the most important thing here is the children, which I think (hopefully) a lot of people forget about. It's either that or they just don't care, which would be a sad reflection on your character. Nobody asked for these women to deem themselves the breeders of society and these children certainly didn't ask to be born into that type of situation. Sadly, when they grow up like that, they end up like that.

Ah, good point that abortion is a fourth option in my scenarios. But how do you do it? Is it free for any woman who wants, or covered under insurance or whatever? Is it counseled among women who clearly don't have the capacity to support the child (and who makes that judgment)? I don't think you can mandate it, so that's out.

Do you pay women to get an abortion if they clearly can't support the child? I think you'd have a tough time getting that passed.

The other issue is that a lot of women have a child when they can't afford it, but within a few years they settle down and move out of poverty. So it would be hard to make any kind of judgment based on current situation.

I guess the only real options in this regard would be to either subsidize with counseling, counsel it without subsidizing, or just allow it and let women decide themselves.

Some more good questions..

Who fucking knows?

Rain Man

11-24-2012, 11:27 PM

Who ****ing knows?

That's kind of where I end up. It's really easy to criticize every option. Every option is terribly flawed. But then what do you actually do about it? I'm at a loss.

It does seem like there's some sort of trade that's possible of food and shelter for Norplant or whatever the latest version is called. That might help to avoid the situation going forward, but it doesn't help the kids who are already around.

La literatura

11-26-2012, 01:34 AM

Im coming around to abortion. The more I know abot the abortees the more I begin to see the benefit

You saw a video of black children running around, realized that they will one day be 15 black adults, and now you are "coming around to" abortion.