Palmer quick to take blame; this time it’s warranted

Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer is quick to take blame for most anything, even when it’s obvious that he’s not at fault.
On Sunday, there was no mistaking that Palmer deserved the lion’s share of the blame for the Raiders losing to the Cleveland Browns 20-17 at the rain-soaked Coliseum.
A poorly thrown pass by Palmer early in the fourth quarter ended a promising Raiders drive and kick-started a game-clinching touchdown drive by the Browns.
“We can’t turn the ball over like that,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “We’ve got all the momentum, we’re moving the ball, and we can’t have that self-inflicted wound right there. If it’s not there, we’ve got to get rid of it, but we can’t make that mistake.”
The Raiders were riding a huge wave of momentum on the heels of a blocked field-goal attempt, a 64-yard touchdown from Palmer to wide receiver Rod Streater and forcing the Browns to punt on their ensuing possession.
Palmer completed four of six passes in navigating the Raiders from their own 27-yard line to the Browns 33. The fourth completion gave the Raiders a first down and put them in Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range.
Yet, on a first-down play, Palmer lofted a pass for rookie receiver Juron Criner down the left sideline, with cornerback Sheldon Brown running step for step with Criner.
By the time Criner turned for the ball, Brown was in position to make the easy catch.
“I was trying to take a shot there, go for the touchdown quickly,” Palmer said, “and just didn’t put the ball in the right spot, didn’t give Juron a chance to make a play on the ball.”
That’s a play that Palmer loves to gamble on, with single coverage on the outside, having confidence in his ability to put the ball in a spot where his receiver can make a play on the ball.
It worked on the touchdown to Streater. On the pass to Criner, Palmer just didn’t get enough on the ball. Coaches stress making sure that the pass is long enough to where only the receiver can catch the ball.
Streater said he and the other receivers enjoy the fact that Palmer has the confidence in them to make plays in single coverage, even if they aren’t wide open.
“He has a lot of faith in us,” Streater said. “It feels good that he believes in us like that. We just want to come down with every ball and continue to keep that confidence in him.”
Palmer targeted Brown numerous times Sunday. In the end, it was Brown who got the better of the toe-to-toe battle.
“Carson threw a few deep balls at me today,” Brown said. “You would have to talk to him and see what he saw on tape last week when he was preparing.
“On that particular play, I had an opportunity to cover the short field. I lined up in press like I was going to stay down tight. Criner released outside, I bailed out of there. And at that point I saw Carson throwing the ball and I just became the receiver and caught it.”
Overall, Palmer completed 34 of 54 passes for 351 yards and two touchdowns. Unfortunately for him and the Raiders, the pass that stood out among the 54 was the one that Brown intercepted.
Palmer is on pace to pass for 4,709 yards, which would break Rich Gannon’s franchise record for most passing yards in a single season.

That ought to push season ticket sales for 2013. Will do wonders to sell jobs to new coaches and FA’s.

And no doubt will get the city to move on building a stadium

Al_is_theraiders

cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….

Chris in NY

I honestly do not care anymore.

We all knew this season was over on Sept. 30 after that 37-6 loss to the Donks sent us to 1-3. You were kidding yourself if you thought we would pull out of it.

All I want to see know is the coaching staff be wiped clean and someone else brought in. McKenzie is certainly not off to any kind of promising start, and it’s hard to envision a guy who sounds borderline illiterate taking us very far. But he didn’t have much leeway in his first year on the player side. Coaching selection has been a disaster though and signings like Brisiel aren’t helping. I do not care if he stays or goes at this point.

In all seriousness though I wish the best to DA and his family. I’m sure he’s a nice, good man. As much as I and many others lay on him as coach of the Raiders, it’s not meant to be personal.

Bingo. Another example of mis use of player personnel by knapp. It’s inappropriate.

fingers

Gotta stick with the Run longer….. Especially when it’s working….

Gdog

Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm

cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?

Gdog

Tricky70390 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Carson Palmer the garbage time superstar about to pass Rich Gannon with a pile of yards that aren’t worth their weight in wins? DO TELL.
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How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?

Charlie

This is obviously a lousy feeling but as RaiderRiff said; This is what you get with 10 years of horrible first and second round picks with very little focus on the line of scrimmage.

The good news is we continue to clean out the garbage (McClain will be gone after the season) and Reggie will build the team through the draft STARTING WITH BOTH LINES.

Yes we need help elsewhere but those of you old enough remember that the Raiders were built with high draft picks for the lines. Guys like 11th round Marv Hubbard simply pounded it behind first rounder Gene Upsahw and the other team did not get the ball.The other team usually tried to play catch up and we had guys like Keating and Davidson that could actually stop the run AND rush the passer.

Many keep saying that the game has changed. Tell that to Notre Dame.Win on the lines and you will win the game.

fingers

Moores been a disappointment for sure…. Missed a couple today that were right on target

Gdog

If CP had Gannons line and Tim Brown and Jerry Rice to throw to we would not be having this discussion… please.. apples to apples.

Tricky70390

Tricky70390 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Carson Palmer the garbage time superstar about to pass Rich Gannon with a pile of yards that aren’t worth their weight in wins? DO TELL.
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How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
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And the other days? Dropped balls or not he never does anything noteworthy until late when the games barely matter anymore.

fingers

Yep, Palmer threw that pass short…. But it should have been a run play … Plenty of time… The run was working very well …

jackasspuria

Albert Bigelow Paine

I too was wondering why the Raiders didn’t run the ball more when they had the momentum…

Vic Tafur ‏@VicTafur
My biggest question was why didn’t Raiders run more (5 yards a pop), and Allen, players said they were going off Palmer’s no-huddle reads

0ak r8rs

Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Loooooong time reader here, first time poster. But I’ve been around, behind the curtain to know a lot of you just from observing the comments. I have to say there’s a few of you who give football fans a bad name.(yes, I few of you are great Raider fans too, but you know who you are)For those of you idiots, not only do you know d1ck about football, but to blame the QB and OC for losing this game is simply ludicrous. Have you seen our defense? Have you seen players like T.Kelly, Shonasty and others standing around piles doing nothing? Have you seen who CP3 is throwing to? Have you seen our O-line? Did you watch any of the games so far? Or are you so caught up in yourselves? This team from top to bottom is atrocious. The head coach, his staff, have quite simply been outdone week in and week out. Interim head coaches have faired better results. The entire team is to blame. All of them. This team lacks NFL starting talent at every position on the roster aside from QB.(No, Pryor is not a starter dummy!) The exceptions CP3, Houston, Wheeler, Burris, Myers, Reece, Veldheer deserve to be here next year. The young guys from the most recent draft should be given a shot too. All the others can walk the plank! This team is a disgrace to the greatest fan base in the world! How can we be expected to support this team!?! If I keep watching them like this, soon they’ll be my least liked team, and I’ll be routing for them to jump ship to LA, so I can jump ship too! But if they do stay in the bay, they have got to fix this, and it starts from the top, and works right on down! There are no excuses!

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Seconded. Plz post more, so that you, Riff, Morilla, chrisNYC, myself (i hope, haha) and a few others can outnumber the retarded.

cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?

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Yeah, just not accurate to say that he “deserves the lion’s share of the blame for this one”.

Bad throw? No question, but virtually every coach in the world will tell you that one play does not lose you a football game. Countless drops and bad routes that cost us first downs and points, not to mention a pathetic defensive effort in the 4th quarter, had way more to do with this loss than one bad throw.

Again, I’m not excusing the throw. It was not, however, the reason we lost the game.

Kirk

Knapp and Palmer are the problem.

I hope they are gone soon.

You can win in the NFL with a vanilla offense and a quarterback who can’t run.

He can do it with the best of them. Just don’t curtail his Farve-like ability to throw deep.

That’s where the perfect storm of incompetence came in with Knapp/Allen. Not only did they try to change the power-blocking scheme that McF fit, they tried to minimize CP’s interceptions at all costs.

morilla

0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Ohioraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.

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A decade of wasted 1st rd picks will do that to any franchise.

Thanks Al.

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Lets leave the “1st rd” out of it. A DECADE of wasted picks. Who do we have from the last 10 years? Lets start w janikowski and lechler. Nvm that we burned a 1st and 4th on those guys, when nobody burns picks on kickers and punters like that, but at least they panned out. Can’t argue that. But who else? Houston comes to mind, ok for a second a guess. Certainly better than our first that year, suspendo. Branch? Pass. Huff? Not as a number 1, might consider him a good 3rd or 4th rounder. Veldheer? Yea. McFadden? No way, maybe if he could stay healthy, but no. Reece? Did we even draft him? Probably, not sure tho. To lazy to look it up. Wiz? Last year yea. This year? Looking like yet another in a long line of raider busts. Bey? Nope. Not a number 1. Moore? Last year for sure, this year doesn’t even look like he was worth a 4th. Ford? Maybe, but maybe the best thing that could have happened to him was getting hurt.

So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.

And btw, I think the jury is still out on all of 2012 as well. It would be nice to be able to say at least 1 or 2 were definite keepers by this point in the season. Not sure you can say that. So the trend continues perhaps.
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Everything said in this thread is spot on. Overall, our players suck.

Charlie

As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.

No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.

Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.

cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?

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Yeah, just not accurate to say that he “deserves the lion’s share of the blame for this one”.

Bad throw? No question, but virtually every coach in the world will tell you that one play does not lose you a football game. Countless drops and bad routes that cost us first downs and points, not to mention a pathetic defensive effort in the 4th quarter, had way more to do with this loss than one bad throw.

Again, I’m not excusing the throw. It was not, however, the reason we lost the game.
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Well said.

Gdog

Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.

No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.

Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.

This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
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Yes.

We were a coupla plays from the playoffs last year.

MiamiRaider78

:/
:::waves the white flag:::

There is no hope.

0ak r8rs

Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Brandon Weeden was 25-of-36 for 364 yards in the game.

how about this new modern defensive scheme….zone defense at its best.

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You just love to hear yourself talk don’t you? This is your hero Al’s defense that gives up all these points and yards. Too bad we couldn’t afford to pay Wimbley and nhamdi the $30 million this year that your hero signed them for. Not that they would have helped. Not this disasterous bunch of check cashiers.

Kirk

A decade of wasted picks is accurate.

DHB instead of Crabtree.
Jamarcus Russell instead of Calvin Johnson.

It is going to take years to recover from Al Davis’ incompetence.

JONGRUDEN2013

Tough loss,…sucks we are 3-9 and not 4-8,…but Im here to tell you,..Reggie and I talked today,…all I have is about 15 pics to prove it,….with Mark too,…and Morris,..Reggie assured me these dark days are only temporary,..its all good Nation.

Gdog

So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.
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I am not completely convinced that this is any different from any other team.

The NFL is mostly QB’s and coaching.

We are the only team with a half-way decent QB doing really really poorly.

You do the math.

Charlie

Gdog

We got pummelled by teams when it counted.
Even the Bolts lit us up last year in the finale and they had nothing to play for.

We beat the Bears w/o Cutler
We beat the Vikes with Ponder as a rookie
We beat the Donkeys WITH orton

Mirage Mirage Mirage.

If you did not see we sucked against good teams last year you do not know football.

VanHeathen30

1 guy on the sidelines telling Reggie and Mark that the “Nation believes in them” must be drowned out by the 25,000 EMPTY seats…there will be more seagulls than fans by the time KC rolls into town…
Maybe Mark can rent the tarps from the A’s.

Just Fire Baby

This team is clearly lacking talent across the board, and there should be no doubt that the Browns are more talented than us.

Most of that blame goes on the previous regime. You can’t have ZERO play-makers on either side of the ball, and no cap space, and no draft picks? How the F does that happen. Granted we turned over 40% of the roster, but we just replaced untalented guys with new untalented guys.

However, with all that being said, you can’t look at that draft picks of Crawford, Burris and Bergstrom and calls those anything but failures. Those guys either provide no impact, or in Burris’ case, provide a negative impact.

The Reggie has one more draft, in my eyes, to prove he knows what the hell he is doing with the draft.

Bilukidi might be OK, and Streater was a great UDFA pickup. But you got to do better with a 3rd, 4th and 5th, then, Bergstrom, Burris, and Amaechi Crawford.

DJ Johnny

Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.

No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.

Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.

This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
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I don’t accept that. It may turn out that way, but I don’t accept it.

Carolina went to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence as an expansion team and we’ve seen many turnarounds much quicker.

I expect more from Reggie if he has the ability we all heard he has.

Al_is_theraiders

3-13…

Kirk

Gdog, we don’t have a decent QB except for Pryor.

And they won’t play him.

DJ Johnny

I’m not saying I expect SB in yr. 2, i’m saying there’s no excuse not to be competing strong alot sooner than 5 freaking yr’s.

VanHeathen30

Reggie assured you the dark days are over?
Think he was referring to the rainstorm that hit over the weekend…
This thing is far from turned around.
Now if they could just get 40,000 other fans to hang out on the sidelines, the place wouldn’t be blacked out and empty on Sundays.