In the icon where he is between Sts. Alexander Nevsky and Dmitri Donskoi, it's like they're taking him in for questioning. They probably have some questions for the artist as well. One might think them less terrifying than Stalin, but one would be wrong.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

I am all for freedom of expression. I am also all for putting Robert Lentz in jail forever, with no painting supplies.

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One of my favorite "Schlock Icons"

Origen of Alexandria

Who drew (not wrote, because it is uncanonical) this Image?

The artist is William Hart McNichols, a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest, and arguably the best-known protege of Robert Lentz. He has said this about his mentor: "Lentz is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on icons today."

Says it all, really. The bulk of McNichols' work is no less egregious and blasphemous than Lentz's. McNichols has not only painted an "icon" of a declared heretic, but seems to be unaware that Origen was an avowed iconoclast. Oh, the irony!

Origen was an Iconoclast?

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Every formula of every religion has in this age of reason, to submit to the acid test of reason and universal assent.Mahatma Gandhi

Ironically, the "Orthodox" icon of Stalin (the one the mustache-less man, probably mustacheless out of reverence for Stalin, is holding) does more to elevate Stalin to God-like status than any Soviet iconography did. Orthodox icons of Stalin should display him as a non-martyr or a martyr of one believes he was killed (but certainly not depict him like Christ). He should be holding either a list of his victims or a cigar. He does not give blessings, but may give a "high five" or thumbs-up, but the thumbs-up must be accompanied by an enigmatic, unsettling grin. I think, if it's a gift for Isa, Stalin can be depicted holding maps, either of gulags or conquests.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

Many Energies, 3 Persons, 2 Natures, 1 God, 1 Church, 1 Baptism, and 1 Cup. The Son begotten only from the Father, the Spirit proceeding only from the Father, Each glorifying the Other. The Son sends the Spirit, the Spirit Reveals the Son, the Father is seen in the Son. The Spirit spoke through the Prophets and Fathers and does so even today.

Is there any rule against having Christ depicted holding, I dunno, greenery?

Only if it is coriander, olive or lemon.

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

For it were better to suffer everything, rather than divide the Church of God. Even martyrdom for the sake of preventing division would not be less glorious than for refusing to worship idols. - St. Dionysius the Great

The spiel at the bottom is a velichaniya (magnification, a hymn of praise sung at Matins at the Polyeleos/Polyelei, as the priest stands before the icon of the saint or feast being commemorated, censing it) to the "saint":

We magnify you, our great-martyr, beloved of Christ, and divinely-wise Tsar Ioann, and we honor your holy memory, for you pray to Christ our God for us.

I read in a couple articles quotes from people in the Russian Chruch that myrrh streaming from an icon isn't proof of sanctity of the individual depicted. This was before the Royal Martyrs were canonized. Same also with St. Yevgeny Rodionov.

It is unfortunate there are no bloody heads or that he and Metropolitan St. Philip are not together.

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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

I read in a couple articles quotes from people in the Russian Chruch that myrrh streaming from an icon isn't proof of sanctity of the individual depicted. This was before the Royal Martyrs were canonized. Same also with St. Yevgeny Rodionov.

It is unfortunate there are no bloody heads or that he and Metropolitan St. Philip are not together.

Indeed. What these fanatics overlook is that their beloved "Tsar-martyr" will never be proclaimed a saint, in part because of his part in the murder of Metropolitan St Philip of Moscow. The tsar is referred to in the festal hymns for St Philip as "a new Herod" and "a new Pharaoh". Hardly the stuff of sainthood.

Indeed. What these fanatics overlook is that their beloved "Tsar-martyr" will never be proclaimed a saint, in part because of his part in the murder of Metropolitan St Philip of Moscow. The tsar is referred to in the festal hymns for St Philip as "a new Herod" and "a new Pharaoh". Hardly the stuff of sainthood.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Indeed. What these fanatics overlook is that their beloved "Tsar-martyr" will never be proclaimed a saint, in part because of his part in the murder of Metropolitan St Philip of Moscow. The tsar is referred to in the festal hymns for St Philip as "a new Herod" and "a new Pharaoh". Hardly the stuff of sainthood.

Indeed. What these fanatics overlook is that their beloved "Tsar-martyr" will never be proclaimed a saint, in part because of his part in the murder of Metropolitan St Philip of Moscow. The tsar is referred to in the festal hymns for St Philip as "a new Herod" and "a new Pharaoh". Hardly the stuff of sainthood.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Oh, yes, the pigeon pair to the Mother of God of 9/11, by the hand of another of my "favorites". He's so all over the shop, it's not funny. Thanks for this, I only have it on file in a rather small size.

LBK, what's your evaluation of the works below? They were made with the marquetry technique.

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Many Energies, 3 Persons, 2 Natures, 1 God, 1 Church, 1 Baptism, and 1 Cup. The Son begotten only from the Father, the Spirit proceeding only from the Father, Each glorifying the Other. The Son sends the Spirit, the Spirit Reveals the Son, the Father is seen in the Son. The Spirit spoke through the Prophets and Fathers and does so even today.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.