Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 27th, 2017, 11:19

Joined: April 3rd, 2011, 0:19Posts: 1872Location: Providence, RI

I have a feeling that on this thread we are comparing apples to oranges. Due to trade sanctions by the USA, Cuba has limped by on a lot of old (repaired a million times) things. Just google "Cuban streets" and look at the age of the cars on the roads.

I suspect the OP is talking about much older drives he's refurbishing than what most of us are accustomed to recovering data from. I'm sure if he spends some time dealing with ST3000DM001 nightmares he'll come around to our way of looking at refurbished Seagate drives. Much older drives, on the other hand, actually stood a chance to be refurbished and still work for some time.

I can't see how DFL will be any better than even manual terminal command to "refurb" F3 arch drives .... Of course assuming you are not cutting heads ....

At any rate if you were able to refurb so many drives from so many brands without any tools then congratulations.

LOL, Why is your heart always burned out ,Do you drink coffee too much most of the time i feel you over flaunt your knowledge leading to a overall negative atmosphere ,We all should create a ambient environment many time you cross that thin line where the other party does get a little heart ache .Is there something i can send from india to cool you a little bit .Why say all of this to verify he is saying right or wrong just ask him a few questions about how he is refurb drives and we all will know if he is right or wrong .

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 9:13

Joined: September 30th, 2005, 7:33Posts: 618

Don Oleg wrote:

I have repaired thousands of hdd Seagate, WD, Samsung, Toshiba, no one Hitachi HGST.

This is strange. I have repaired mostly Hitachi drives.Maybe not thousands but several hundreds for sure. They are so easy to fix if the problem is only a number of reallocated sektors....The question is what to do with the others .

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 10:32

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

Please, lets read my initial post again:

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Hi friends, i am interested on buy a seagate hdd refurbishing software tool.I know about some tools, but capabilities of decrypting new models and depoping heads are limited to few models only. I am thinking on tool capable of full recertifying as many models as posible, and also the best support service.

It is a DFL-SRP USB3.0 Seagate Firmware Repair Tool a good choice?

So:

1- I am talking about seagate only.2- I am talking of decripting new fw (like ST1000DM003, ST1000LM035....), depoping heads (for 7200.14 for example), playing with bad zones... Nothing of this can be done by terminal commands!!!3- I'm asking for opinions about DFL, no one has talked about it....

Spildit:

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I can't see how DFL will be any better than even manual terminal command to "refurb" F3 arch drives .... Of course assuming you are not cutting heads ....

You assuming wrong, i am talking about cutting heads, backup and decripting fw, and much more...

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At any rate if you were able to refurb so many drives from so many brands without any tools then congratulations.

I was able to repair many hdds, but unable to repair many others... I can give you more stadistics: Without pro tools 2-3 out of 10 hdds, with Sediv almost 5 hdds out of 10 and for WD in particular may be even 6-7 out.

I don't know why you put negative in this topic

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Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 10:43

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

BGman:

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This is strange. I have repaired mostly Hitachi drives.Maybe not thousands but several hundreds for sure. They are so easy to fix if the problem is only a number of reallocated sektors....The question is what to do with the others .

I am sorry for my english mistake, i meant Hundreds, but not very far of thousand!

My friend, i am not talking about few bad sectors you can repair with Victoria, MHDD, HDAT.... This is about fighting against Monster!!

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 11:17

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

Friend Amarbir:

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Why say all of this to verify he is saying right or wrong just ask him a few questions about how he is refurb drives and we all will know if he is right or wrong .

I becomed a Sediv user and i am very happy for it.

I tell every body, who has only repaired hdds using free tools and terminal command don't knows nothing about things can do. I did not believe it myself when a friend recommended me to buy Sediv.

I learned for example that a faulty head can do that complete hdd looks bad, a droped or shocked hdd can damage some zones and you can hide that bad zones, a fw can be damage due to bad sectors in SA area and much more. All this trouble you can solve using a pro tool like Sediv.

In Seagate case, unfortunately, Sediv only can cut head for Pharaop, Wyatt, Hepburn, Holliday and not for all fw.

DFL answer me, that they can Cut heads on all 7200.12 hdds, and on next update will can do with 7200.14 too, even more, if there is an unsopported model, i can send them Rom and they will add support for it.

It is very interesting for me, that DFL answer all my question (more than 10) in less than 24 hours, at least looks very good support service, even more, looks like if they have a support department.

The other problem i have is that Sediv can work only with 1 hdd at time while DFL can work with 2 sata and 1 ide at time. If i have 10 hdd 1-2TB for repairing, and i need about 3 days per hdds, then the tenth need to wait about 30 days for repairing, a long time.

I will keep with Sediv, but i think it is good to know other tools and take advantages of each one.

DFL is pretty good. But not as advanced as sediv in all around refurbishing functions. DFL is more of a data recovery tool, like PC3K, rather than a refurbishing workhorse.A clear advantage the DFL tool has over sediv is control of drive power by user.

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 15:25

Joined: September 30th, 2005, 7:33Posts: 618

Don Oleg wrote:

My friend, i am not talking about few bad sectors you can repair with Victoria, MHDD, HDAT.... This is about fighting against Monster!!

What tool do you use for Hitachi repair?

Does it worth to fight against Monster, my friend? For example, due to WDMarvel, I've got a lot of downsized WD drives ( cut heads, cut zones, ARCO) but nobody is buying them . So, should I buy Software to cut heads of Seagate drives? Or just keep on fixing drives with bad sectors that eventually I can sell?

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 29th, 2017, 16:07

Joined: December 19th, 2006, 8:49Posts: 9999Location: Portugal

For REFURB SeDiv is way better than DFL, PC3K, ETC ....

You can open several SeDiv instances at the same time; if you have set your PC with several "ports" you can work with several drives at the same time by running several instances of the software one for each port. Just run the software again and another copy of it will be loaded to RAM to work with another port.

For HITACHI/IBM you can run vendor specific FORMAT UNIT commands and you can do so even without paid tools.

DFL/PC-3000/MRT/ etc have HUDGE advantages over SeDiv on the DATA RECOVERY and DATA EXTRACTION field. The fact that it have hardware it can controll power and make the system stable even with bad drives. Pn some machines plugging a bad drive might hang the system and you might not be able to operate the system with the drive there. Apart from that there is nothing on the refurb field that DFL will do and SeDiv will not be able to do....

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 30th, 2017, 16:23

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

Data-Medics wrote:

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"I'm sure if he spends some time dealing with ST3000DM001 nightmares he'll come around to our way of looking at refurbished Seagate drives."

There is a popular jokes here that says: "Time is the only thing not missing in Cuba"

Now seriously. ST3000DM001 it is not the only F3 arch hdd we working with, f3 hdds from Pharaop, Wyatt and Hepburn families can be succesfully repaired with Sediv, until today no one has returned to me.

By other way, here major of cases are for hdd repair and not for datarecovery. Generally data is not important by some reasons i don't go to explain now.

Thousands (and not hundreds) of old 775 motherboards with DDR1 and DDR2 memory modules using IDE or SATA 80, 160 and 250GB hdds are still working here for kids gaming or watch cartoons, movies, Series, Sports, Novels...

Buy a 1TB hdd that cost USD $75-$80 is generally too expensive for normal people, who get by work about $20, 30 or $40 per month, so repair 1TB for $10-$15 with 1-3 months guaranteed it is a very good option.

It is a tradition here even if you has a 1 or 2 TB hdd, using as windows system disk and old 80gb sata or ide hdd. There is substantial difference between quality of older drives and the actuals, even from differents manufacturers, not only Seagate.

By other hand, an old 80GB hdd is about $20-$25, thats why it is a good choice even to repair or refurbish a 1TB hdd downgrading to 80-160GB for $10. As you see, there is a lot of posibilities.

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: June 30th, 2017, 16:37

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

But i confess that ST1000DM001, ST2000DM001 and ST3000DM001 are the main purpose of buying DFL. DFL said me that on next update will support Grenada head cutting. I am doing my own research on Grenada. Even i am reconsidering what Spildits said me on this post (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34925).

Spildit wrote:

Quote:

Let's say that you have BAD magnetic substract / materials used to make the platter. You now use the drive (platter) and write stuff to it. You place the drive in a shelf and you don't use it for days.

Due to bad materials the magnetic substract/platter loose the properties and the data recorded there is gone. Now you pick up the drive and install on the system to read it. But the data is gone ....

Which it is my Theory?

The high failure rate of Grenada Hdds causing that appears a lot of bad sectors through all surface, more than poor quality substrate used on platters, i think that is due to 1 or more faulty head. If we depop that heads we can back hdd to the life.

Post subject: Re: What is the Most Powerfull tool for Seagate Refurbishing

Posted: July 1st, 2017, 9:01

Joined: September 20th, 2013, 10:50Posts: 70Location: Cuba

Quote:

labtech wrote

DFL is pretty good. But not as advanced as sediv in all around refurbishing functions. DFL is more of a data recovery tool, like PC3K, rather than a refurbishing workhorse...

Quote:

Spildit wrote:

DFL/PC-3000/MRT/ etc have HUDGE advantages over SeDiv on the DATA RECOVERY and DATA EXTRACTION field.......Apart from that there is nothing on the refurb field that DFL will do and SeDiv will not be able to do...

Sorry for my ignorance, but i am not completely sure of that... You say that DFL is not focused on refurbishing field, but things i have readed on DFL site about refurbishing i have not seen in any other site, for example:

DFL Hard Drive Refurbishing Suite is one very professional hard drive refurbishing equipment including both software and hardware and also necessary cables and adapters, firmware resources and manuals.

DFL Hard Drive Refurbishing Suite is used to repair bad sectors, reset smart, remove password, edit HDD ID, repair firmware failures, etc for either desktop or laptop Seagate, WD, Hitachi/IBM, Samsung, Toshiba/Fujitsu hard drives. With this tool, users can refurbish three hard drives at the same time. With the gift power controller board from Dolphin Data Lab, users can refurbish 4 more drives at the same time, more boards, more drives to be refurbished.

DFL Auto Servo is the latest western digital hard drive refurbishing hardware tool and users who order this tool get hardware, software and Western digital auto repair firmware resources and also three years’ free software upgrade from Dolphin team.

DFL Auto Servo is able to refurbish multiple WD hard drives at the same time automatically by either online or offline, users can refurbish as many drives as possible by offline hdd repair.

DFL-SRP for Seagate is one advanced Seagate hard drive firmware repair tool and it supports old and latest 7200.11,12,14 drives.

DFL support department send me a document with 5 refurbishing solutions for all seagate f3 that honestly i have not seen in Sediv yet or apply to a few models only, like Test zones of different heads; Find out which zones of which heads are damaged; Auto adjust head temperatures, if failed, manually adjust; Scan the hdd and find out which zones are bad and then cut the damaged zones; Tick all the zones of the damaged head to cut; Cut ticked zones; and of course, cutting entire heads.

Also they promise that on next update can cut heads for 7200.14 Grenada series.

I don´t know how fast Sediv will support Grenada and other models for head cut, but unlocking fw for newer encrypted models is very important point to keep in mind too.

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