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xdog

You choose.

For the West, the nuanced vocal stylings of Don Trump Un: “I’m for open trade, free trade, but I also want smart trade and fair trade. But they’ll say, “He’s not a free-trader,” at 10%. But if I say we’re putting a reciprocal tax on, it may be 62% or it may be 47%, I mean massive numbers, and nobody can complain about it. It’s really sort of an amazing thing.”

Or for China, an excellent educational video in favor of free trade, even if it’ll probably end up used for propaganda purposes: The Belt and Road Is How.

It’s official as of this week. The Russia story is never going to go away. It will keep returning to the headlines, because Trump has a penchant for doing things to bring attention to it and make it worse.

Nixon was taken down by his attempts to cover up Watergate, including efforts to stifle the FBI that amounted to abuse of power and interference with an investigation. Trump is setting himself to go down even if he personally did not collude with the Russians. Ignorance, combined with his impulsiveness and childishness, will insure he continues managing the Russia story by tantrum, guaranteeing that it will never go away and it will get worse with time.

With all of this Comey Firing Hysteria coming from The Left, did any of yall object this badly when Bubba fired Sessions in ’93? I don’t believe so.
And let’s see…yall use to love anything Russia…now you don’t. They’re now the Boogerman.
Yall used to hate Comey…now you love him. Hmmmm…
Sally Fields in Sybil got nuthin’ on you people!

One more thing: Do you think the new Director will open an investigation of felonious unmasking?

Except Bill Sessions was the subject of a 161-page ethics investigation by the DOJ, with sworn testimony from 100 FBI agents that he abused his post. And that Bill Sessions was called, twice, by Clinton and asked to resign before Clinton fired him.

There is precisely one thing in common between Sessions’ dismissal and Comey’s dismissal, and that is they were dismissed.

And here are some quotes, in case you’re among the group of Rubepublicans limited to two week memory spans—You do know you’re in the age of the internets where people can easily look things up?

Trump: “I have to give the FBI credit, that was so bad what happened originally, and it took guts for director Comey to make the move that he made in the light of the kind of opposition he had when they’re trying to protect [Clinton] from criminal prosecution.”

Sessions: “[Trump] had an absolute duty, in my opinion, 11 days [before the election] or not, to come forward with the new information that he has and let the American people know that.”

So Noway, in furtherance of my amateur psychology studies, I am interested in your response to these:
– As stated before, Sessions had been stealing money. This is not the same as Comey, right?
– Who are you saying used to love Russia? Liberals? Where did you get that idea from? We all tried to love Russia when Boris Yeltsin was around I guess, but since then, not so much. Right? You understand that Vladimir Putin has taken Russia into a distinctly adversarial position over the past few years, right? If people have changed their opinion of Russia, maybe they have a good reason to?
– Yes, we’all hated Comey in the fall. And speaking for The Left, we don’t love him now. But once we all learned (in March) that the FBI was conducting an investigation into the President’s campaign, he should kind of become off-limits to political manipulation, don’t you agree? So for us, it’s not about Comey, it’s about Trump- trying to figure out what he us up to and being incredulous that he apparently did not realize the repercussions of his actions. How could a sane person not realize that this would look like obstruction of justice?
– Unmasking- are you saying that someone like the Attorney General doesn’t have the authority to view names in redacted reports? Actually, from what I understand, technically they don’t, they have to get permission. But someone apparently gave that permission. What is felonious there? Or is it some other event you are referring to?

Ok…
The AG might have the permission to see the names in their official capacity, but not the legal OK to release them publicly. That is a felony and the new FBI director has a duty to investigate that. Trust me when I speculate some Obama officials will be charged criminally here.
What else…lemme re-read your post…
OK…Dems as a group have always loved and coddled Soviet/Russians. Never met one they didn’t adore…
Ok…Months and months of fruitless investigations and even admissions by gov’t officials (Clapper as example…) say there is no evidence of any Trump personal collusion or mischief…
Flynn might not have been truthful regarding speeches, but that’s it.
Again…Trump pulled off the upset of political history. None of the mainstream folks saw it coming. I humorously predicted it here on Election Day, but I ‘ll admit I was hoping out loud and slopped up and was correct. That was Blind Hog luck.
Hillary was dumbstruck as was the liberal side. The narrative now is to do anything to thwart Trump at every turn. Make him illegitimate. The only positive non-Fox positive story I have ever seen on Trump was CNN’s reporting he had a good State of the Union speech.
Anyway, I genuinely believe Hill engaged in crim behavior. Comey actually outlined the various aspects of the offenses before deciding not to indict.
Anyway, you and I will always remain on opposite sides of basically everything and we’ll see what actually happens but (you) try and admit that the mainstream media and the Dems are basically trying throwing everything up against the wall in hope of finding an impeachable offense.
Write back if there is anything else you wanna discuss this afternoon!

Trust me when I speculate some Obama officials will be charged criminally here.

Why, exactly? Because of your experience working with DoJ, State, DoD, the NSC, or any of the major intel agencies? The “unmasking” of Michael Flynn was perfectly legitimate and was necessary for Susan Rice and the intel community to do their jobs. There is no evidence that Rice, or any other Obama Administration official, publicly disclosed Flynn’s identity. Given the fact that the Trump White House is leakier than a dollar store colander, it’s probably more likely that someone within the Trump campaign/transition leaked the fact the conversations took place to the press.

OK…Dems as a group have always loved and coddled Soviet/Russians. Never met one they didn’t adore…

Some things are so stupid that I can’t even formulate a response to them.

Months and months of fruitless investigations and even admissions by gov’t officials (Clapper as example…) say there is no evidence of any Trump personal collusion or mischief

“Fruitless investigations” into Trump mean we should stop investigating. “Fruitless investigations” into Hillary Clinton mean we need new committees to look into her emails again and maybe another Benghazi committee. Help me figure out the discrepancy here. Is it the LSD? By the by, Clapper hasn’t been the DNI since January, so I’m unsure how he’d be in any position to know what the FBI has regarding the Trump campaign. Saying “durr Clapper says there’s no evidence” is just as conclusive as quoting me saying there’s no evidence.

Flynn might not have been truthful regarding speeches, but that’s it.

Well, he lied (again, something you are more than willing to drag Hillary Clinton for) to Congress and to the Federal government in addition to violating a whole book full of ethics rules. So let’s not try and play this off as some innocent thing. His lie was so significant, he wasn’t even able to obtain the security clearance necessary to sit on some NSC meetings and he was the head of the freaking NSC! Obama fired this dude because he was untrustworthy and sucked at his job. Obama said “don’t hire this guy because he’s untrustworthy and sucks at his job.” Sally Yates said “you should probably fire this guy because he’s untrustworthy and susceptible to blackmail.” Multiple people were telling Trump not to pee on the electric fence. What did he do? He peed on the electric fence.

Again…Trump pulled off the upset of political history. None of the mainstream folks saw it coming.

Congratulations. That was 6 months ago. Get over it and actually start governing. The only thing he’s accomplished is Justice Gorsuch. The Muslim ban failed, Obamacare hasn’t been repealed or replaced, job growth is slow, Wilbur Ross already acknowledged we aren’t going to see the 4% economic growth Trump promised, sanctuary cities still exist, wall construction hasn’t even begun and Mexico hasn’t started paying us yet, he chickened out when it came to calling China a currency manipulator, we haven’t pulled out of NAFTA, NATO still exists, we haven’t renegotiated any trade deals… I mean what the heck is this dude doing other than golfing and watching Fox News?

The narrative now is to do anything to thwart Trump at every turn. Make him illegitimate.

Hmm. I wonder where we got that idea from. *looks at Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate* Boo hoo get over it.

The only positive non-Fox positive story I have ever seen on Trump was CNN’s reporting he had a good State of the Union speech.

He followed that the next day by falsely accusing Obama of wiretapping Trump tower. Something he still hasn’t provided evidence of.

Best thing for you a me specifically, is to not engage in a back and forth in this particular set of issues. We’ll never agree or even be really civil about it. Let’s just give it, say, six months, to see how much if any of what I predict, happens. One of us will be more right than the other. I’m thinking it will be me!

May 12, 2017 5:35 PM

Benevolus

In November a lot of us had to come to the realization that this country isn’t what we thought it was. But I will say, I don’t think it is what you think it is either.

May 12, 2017 6:29 PM

Noway2016

I’ll give some some credit for that thought. Is reasonable. I’ll also give your side some acknowledgement that Trump is the gift that keeps in giving: The recording comment today was incredibly stupid. That we can agree on.

May 12, 2017 6:48 PM

Dave Bearse

Pee on the electric fence? If only someone would tell Trump, or he otherwise get it in his mind, to lick a metal light pole on a 10 Fahrenheit day.

May 13, 2017 11:20 AM

Dave Bearse

Trump banned the American press from his meeting with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador. Russian state media promptly released pictures of Trump gripping and grinning with the diplomats after the meeting, the White House being too incompetent to realize that the person introduced as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s personal photographer also worked for the state-owned Tass news agency.

A WH official said “They tricked us” and “They lie.” Who knew? Yeah, the extreme vetting by the author of The Art of The Deal has us in good hands.

If this is addressed, it would be interesting. Even a the staunch conservative that I am, I have no prob whatsoever with legalizing all of it and regulating the dosage strengths. Open treatment centers if we must.