As I understand it, the database is and has always been a very difficult place to keep clean, and rules like this are intended to be the stick to ensure people do their part to "keep their room clean" as it were, because concepts like personal responsibility are not universally recognized.

Taite wrote:Not to jump in out of place or anything, I haven't even seen Affective Schoolgirls, but one of the rules of the VCA's is that you can't have a non-anime video in the database, or you're DQ'd from ever being allowed to participate? I'm sorry, but why is this a rule? I don't quite understand how that is at all relevant. I don't believe in exceptions, but I also don't believe in ridiculous rules. Correct me if I interpreted it wrong though, perhaps I misread.

The rule is that if you have non-anime videos in your profile, you're DQed until you have the video(s) in question deleted. The deadline to have that taken care of to participate this year was February 22nd. That's pretty clearly spelled out on the Eligibility Page.

......how about we just not allow non anime videos to be added to the database in the first place? Why do we allow them to be added if we are just gonna penalize the editor for it later?

Because otherwise people start throwing random titles in the description just to be able to upload it and it becomes a way bigger mess than it already is. With the constant stream of uploaded videos we currently have no way to check them all for content, AFAIK.

Taite wrote:Not to jump in out of place or anything, I haven't even seen Affective Schoolgirls, but one of the rules of the VCA's is that you can't have a non-anime video in the database, or you're DQ'd from ever being allowed to participate? I'm sorry, but why is this a rule? I don't quite understand how that is at all relevant. I don't believe in exceptions, but I also don't believe in ridiculous rules. Correct me if I interpreted it wrong though, perhaps I misread.

The rule is that if you have non-anime videos in your profile, you're DQed until you have the video(s) in question deleted. The deadline to have that taken care of to participate this year was February 22nd. That's pretty clearly spelled out on the Eligibility Page.

......how about we just not allow non anime videos to be added to the database in the first place? Why do we allow them to be added if we are just gonna penalize the editor for it later?

If it's not allowed, and you guys can detect it (so as to DQ someone for VCAs), then how does it actually happen? It seems like whatever process is being used to DQ people should have been used to stop them from adding the video in the first place.

However, I don't think any exceptions to the rule should be made; the eligibility page made it very clear, and allowing exceptions sets a bad precedent.

Rendakor wrote:If it's not allowed, and you guys can detect it (so as to DQ someone for VCAs), then how does it actually happen? It seems like whatever process is being used to DQ people should have been used to stop them from adding the video in the first place.

However, I don't think any exceptions to the rule should be made; the eligibility page made it very clear, and allowing exceptions sets a bad precedent.

The problem isn't a technical one, it's a behavioral one - see nya_chan's post.

So, if you upload a non-anime video but lie and say it has anime in it, you're fine. But if you're honest in stating that your video has no anime in it, you're DQ'd from the VCAs. However, actually checking the videos to verify their sources is (understandably) too time consuming, so we're stuck with the current system which at least (theoretically) gets everyone to delete their non-anime videos once a year before the VCAs start so they're eligible (or after the VCAs start so they can beg for an exception).

MycathatesyouAMV wrote:So are we actually going to fix this ? Or just let the dumb rule stand and not let a video that very likely will win some awards not ?

While I agree the rule should be changed, there was full warning before the contest and time to fix issues before the contest began. Rules are rules...

We are looking at it from both sides of the argument.

The rule is in place for a reason and a very good one at that. Plus as stated multiple times there were warnings before the contest began.

However, we also have to take into account that the userbase is expanding with a decent amount of editors who don't speak English as their first language. We're also seeing editors move over from Youtube where they're not used to the Org and the way we run things.

We also need to look at this from a system standpoint. Will attempting these changes set the VCAs back even further due to tweaking? Or is it something rather simple that won't add more piles of work on the mountain that already exists for the epic dokidoki?

As I said, this is being discussed in the private administration section of the forum and hopefully we will have a result rather soon. Luckily the nomination round is the longest of all at 2 weeks and you have the ability to nominate as many videos as you along with the ability to go back at any time during that 2 week period to add or remove more videos/editors from your ballot.