I wish the local police would start ticketing the idiots that always park on the sidewalk in front of our Walmart... some do it while they hit the Redbox inside the entrance, but I've seen others park there while they do a cart full of shopping.

WTF?

It's not some sort of special parking area for self-entitled jackasses.

Target, at least, has the right idea, putting giant red balls in that area, though their parking lots tend to separate the spaces from the entrance with large areas of landscaping. Between the landscaping and the handicap spots, it's rare to be able to park within 20 spaces of the entrance of a Target.

KMart... well, ours is a ghost town. Easy parking there, no waiting in line at the registers.

I try to back in, when I can.In addition to several of the reasons listed above, backing into a spot means it might be easier to get a jump if my battery dies. Of course, the friend who mentioned that to me no longer backs into parking spaces, so YMMV.

Mikey1969:Except that with me, I have days where I can barely turn my head to watch in 42 directions at once, whereas if I back in, I've had the benefit of checking the area when I pulled up, and turned around.

If you aren't physically capable of turning your damn head to look for traffic/pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving.

lizyrd:If you can't park your car in reverse with a minimum of steering adjustments you should be banned from driving.

If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

LesserEvil:I wish the local police would start ticketing the idiots that always park on the sidewalk in front of our Walmart... some do it while they hit the Redbox inside the entrance, but I've seen others park there while they do a cart full of shopping.

WTF?

It's not some sort of special parking area for self-entitled jackasses.

Target, at least, has the right idea, putting giant red balls in that area, though their parking lots tend to separate the spaces from the entrance with large areas of landscaping. Between the landscaping and the handicap spots, it's rare to be able to park within 20 spaces of the entrance of a Target.

KMart... well, ours is a ghost town. Easy parking there, no waiting in line at the registers.

I had the misfortune of shopping at K-Mart a couple of weeks ago. I hadn't been to a K-Mart in ages, though the last time I was there I remember it being pretty much like a Target. Let me tell you, those days are apparently long gone.

The ceiling had stains from water damage, the linoleum on the floor was cracked and buckling, and the store was arranged in a haphazard way with apparently no time or effort taken into presenting the goods in an appealing manner.

I was there because I needed a USB thumb drive quickly, and it was the closest store that I thought would have them. As it turned out they did have them, and even at an acceptable price ($10 for a 16 gig stick, I thought that was fair). However, I spent more time tracking down an employee who could actually open the locked case in the electronics department than I did finding the item I wanted to buy. Then it was another adventure of trying to find a register that worked so that I could be checked out.

I'll admit that I thought all of the K-Mart bashing was just hipster nonsense, but wow, if the other stores are like that, I can see why no one shops there.

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: Except that with me, I have days where I can barely turn my head to watch in 42 directions at once, whereas if I back in, I've had the benefit of checking the area when I pulled up, and turned around.

If you aren't physically capable of turning your damn head to look for traffic/pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving.

lizyrd: If you can't park your car in reverse with a minimum of steering adjustments you should be banned from driving.

If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: Except that with me, I have days where I can barely turn my head to watch in 42 directions at once, whereas if I back in, I've had the benefit of checking the area when I pulled up, and turned around.

If you aren't physically capable of turning your damn head to look for traffic/pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving.

Unless your head pivots 360 degrees, you have a better field of vision looking forward than turning around in your seat and looking backwards while checking mirrors. Plus, as has been stated above, in most vehicles the back end is higher than the front end, further impeding visibility.

lizyrd: If you can't park your car in reverse with a minimum of steering adjustments you should be banned from driving.

If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

I agree about angled spaces, they're easier to just pull into straight. As far as straight spaces go, it's not about 'can't' it's about what's better.

The same goes for rearview cameras - anyone should be able to back up a vehicle without one, but having one adds an extra chunk of visibility and improves safety. Just because you _can_ do things the hard way, doesn't mean that you _should_.

Mikey1969:It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Never said any such thing. But you keep feeling like I'm out to get you and the rest of the "backers", crippy boy.

Benevolent Misanthrope:In my case, I drive a large truck with a long bed, so backing in is much easier in a tight space because of the ridiculously long wheel base. Unless I have TONS of room in the aisleway, where I can make a wide sweep around, I always back in.

Exactly this. I rarely drive (I'm almost always on a motorcycle), but when I do have to take the truck I find that parking is a huge pain in the ass. If I can't find large block of real estate at the far end of the parking lot so I can swing comfortably into one space (just one, though) I prefer to back in. Having the turning wheels farther away from the target makes for much better maneuverability, especially when there are other vehicles around.

But hey, there are lots of Fark super-awesome driving experts who'll say that if you can't easily turn head-first into a parking space then you can't drive (no matter the vehicle), and if you do have to haul something for your farm or shop after all, all that you REALLY need is an old Toyota hardbody pickup because that's easier to drive and park and besides, who actually NEEDS a big, dick-compensating pickup truck anyway?

TuteTibiImperes:Why would an apartment complex have a rule that you have to park 'head first'? If I can I always prefer to back in to parking spaces, it makes it much safer when pulling out.

In an apartment complex i lived in i was told it was so your license plate was visible to security and cops for quick ID purposes. Typically a car backed into a spot was like that because it had an expired tag.

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: Except that with me, I have days where I can barely turn my head to watch in 42 directions at once, whereas if I back in, I've had the benefit of checking the area when I pulled up, and turned around.

If you aren't physically capable of turning your damn head to look for traffic/pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving.

lizyrd: If you can't park your car in reverse with a minimum of steering adjustments you should be banned from driving.

If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

So backing into spaces-- which mechanically is exactly like backing out of spaces-- is somehow WRONG and SINFUL and reason to have your license revoked.

What I like about you is your openness to new ideas and ability to reason logically.

debug:LoneVVolf: Pokey.Clyde: And this is a load of crap. Unless you don't know how to turn your head and back out slowly, there is little to no difference when it comes to pulling out. Plus, everyone has to wait around on the asshole backing in to get out of the damn way when they're pulling in.

That's all well and good, until a pair of F-9750 grocery conquerors park to either side of you. Then if you pulled in forwards you can't see anything coming down the side lanes until your ass is out in traffic. If you backed in, you can see by poking your hood out and leaning forward.

When you are approaching a spot from the right-of-way, you can be aware of the entire area, when you are leaving the spot you are only aware of what you have LOS on; to me, it's worth the extra 10 seconds to back into the spot.

And yet I have managed to make it through almost 30 years of driving without ever being hit or hitting anything while backing out of a parking space. Amazing, isn't it.

See, if you actually learn how to drive, you won't have to back in to parking spaces to be able to get out of them without causing an accident.

My all time favorite are the people who either pull through or back into a space at a grocery store. I like to park as close to the back of their car as I can so they can't open the tailgate or trunk.

Why the fark should you or anyone else care if someone pulls forward into the next spot at the grocery store? Are you trolling?

Honestly the only people that irritate me with their parking are the ones who think their car is so great that they park in the middle of 2 spots so no one can park next to them.

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: Except that with me, I have days where I can barely turn my head to watch in 42 directions at once, whereas if I back in, I've had the benefit of checking the area when I pulled up, and turned around.

If you aren't physically capable of turning your damn head to look for traffic/pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving.

lizyrd: If you can't park your car in reverse with a minimum of steering adjustments you should be banned from driving.

If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

Who said anything about angled spots? And who said anything about "can't" back out of a spot? I pull in as often as I back in. All I'm saying is that backing in affords the opportunity to use your mirrors effectively, as they begin in parallel to moving traffic and sweep toward your target. Backing out starts your mirrors perpendicular to moving traffic, making them them almost useless. I prefer using my mirrors out of habit; I trailer fairly often for my side-business and I drive heavy trucks at my main job, both of which require lots of backing and mirror use.

brimed03:brandent: debug: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Why would an apartment complex have a rule that you have to park 'head first'? If I can I always prefer to back in to parking spaces, it makes it much safer when pulling out.

And this is a load of crap. Unless you don't know how to turn your head and back out slowly, there is little to no difference when it comes to pulling out. Plus, everyone has to wait around on the asshole backing in to get out of the damn way when they're pulling in.

Exactly. It's always faster to pull in and back out. If you can't look around to see if anything's coming, you shouldn't be driving to begin with. If your view is blocked while backing out, it's going to be blocked while pulling out as well.

So we managed to start the whole 'back in or not' controversy tonight. Count me in with the 'do not back in' crowd with you. People who say it is easier/safer to back in are just plain morons and should be banned from owning/driving vehicles. For those who think this do me a favor. Next time you park this way count how many times you have to look in a mirror both in and out and how many times you have to adjust your steering. Now do it again only parking normally (head first). There is no comparison. Period. It's right up there with driving with both feet left foot for brake and right foot for gas. I've known people who do it and it's just plain dumb and dangerous.For those who do it though there just is no amount of reason that will dissuade them.

You're kidding, right? You're not really so dumb as to not realize you have to do the exact same thing backing *out* of the space? Which, incidentally, you're doing into an active traffic lane. Backwards.

You need to think a little harder before you jump into these arguments.

I have a much wider area to back into than you do, thus it is faster and easier. I have yet to ever cause or be involved in an accident while backing out of a space. Trust me, it's faster pulling in and backing out. I realize this isn't going to change they way anyone decides to park, so continue to park however you want.

Perhaps it is you who needs to think a little harder before jumping into arguments.

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Never said any such thing. But you keep feeling like I'm out to get you and the rest of the "backers", crippy boy.

Yeah, you did. Exactly that, in fact. Just seven comments up:

"If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving."

Frankly, I'm more concerned about people driving who can't remember their own words from 20 minutes ago.

Also: "crippy boy?" What are you, a fat Southern man in a white suit from 1952? Or just a really untalented troll?

TwistedIvory:Benevolent Misanthrope: In my case, I drive a large truck with a long bed, so backing in is much easier in a tight space because of the ridiculously long wheel base. Unless I have TONS of room in the aisleway, where I can make a wide sweep around, I always back in.

Exactly this. I rarely drive (I'm almost always on a motorcycle), but when I do have to take the truck I find that parking is a huge pain in the ass. If I can't find large block of real estate at the far end of the parking lot so I can swing comfortably into one space (just one, though) I prefer to back in. Having the turning wheels farther away from the target makes for much better maneuverability, especially when there are other vehicles around.

But hey, there are lots of Fark super-awesome driving experts who'll say that if you can't easily turn head-first into a parking space then you can't drive (no matter the vehicle), and if you do have to haul something for your farm or shop after all, all that you REALLY need is an old Toyota hardbody pickup because that's easier to drive and park and besides, who actually NEEDS a big, dick-compensating pickup truck anyway?

LOL - with the F-250 and an 8-foot bed, I generally seek out a space where I can pull through and take 2, so I'm not hanging out into the driving lane.

Igor Jakovsky:TuteTibiImperes: Why would an apartment complex have a rule that you have to park 'head first'? If I can I always prefer to back in to parking spaces, it makes it much safer when pulling out.

In an apartment complex i lived in i was told it was so your license plate was visible to security and cops for quick ID purposes. Typically a car backed into a spot was like that because it had an expired tag.

//we dont have front plates here in Florida.

Why should they care if your tag is expired if the car is parked? Is it illegal to have an expired tag if you aren't driving?

Igor Jakovsky:debug: LoneVVolf: Pokey.Clyde: And this is a load of crap. Unless you don't know how to turn your head and back out slowly, there is little to no difference when it comes to pulling out. Plus, everyone has to wait around on the asshole backing in to get out of the damn way when they're pulling in.

That's all well and good, until a pair of F-9750 grocery conquerors park to either side of you. Then if you pulled in forwards you can't see anything coming down the side lanes until your ass is out in traffic. If you backed in, you can see by poking your hood out and leaning forward.

When you are approaching a spot from the right-of-way, you can be aware of the entire area, when you are leaving the spot you are only aware of what you have LOS on; to me, it's worth the extra 10 seconds to back into the spot.

And yet I have managed to make it through almost 30 years of driving without ever being hit or hitting anything while backing out of a parking space. Amazing, isn't it.

See, if you actually learn how to drive, you won't have to back in to parking spaces to be able to get out of them without causing an accident.

My all time favorite are the people who either pull through or back into a space at a grocery store. I like to park as close to the back of their car as I can so they can't open the tailgate or trunk.

Why the fark should you or anyone else care if someone pulls forward into the next spot at the grocery store? Are you trolling?

Honestly the only people that irritate me with their parking are the ones who think their car is so great that they park in the middle of 2 spots so no one can park next to them.

Back when I drove old POS cars, I delighted in parking next to them. I'm a pretty dab hand at squeezing in reeeeal close-- backwards, so my passenger door was against their driver door.

brimed03:Pokey.Clyde: Mikey1969: It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Never said any such thing. But you keep feeling like I'm out to get you and the rest of the "backers", crippy boy.

Yeah, you did. Exactly that, in fact. Just seven comments up:

"If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving."

Frankly, I'm more concerned about people driving who can't remember their own words from 20 minutes ago.

Also: "crippy boy?" What are you, a fat Southern man in a white suit from 1952? Or just a really untalented troll?

No, mikey said I had a "need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse". I never said that. And crippy boy was just a crack it him for saying that there were days where he couldn't physically turn his head to look while driving/parking. And what the hell does a white suit and 1952 have to do with that? You lost me there.

debug:brimed03: brandent: debug: Pokey.Clyde: TuteTibiImperes: Why would an apartment complex have a rule that you have to park 'head first'? If I can I always prefer to back in to parking spaces, it makes it much safer when pulling out.

And this is a load of crap. Unless you don't know how to turn your head and back out slowly, there is little to no difference when it comes to pulling out. Plus, everyone has to wait around on the asshole backing in to get out of the damn way when they're pulling in.

Exactly. It's always faster to pull in and back out. If you can't look around to see if anything's coming, you shouldn't be driving to begin with. If your view is blocked while backing out, it's going to be blocked while pulling out as well.

So we managed to start the whole 'back in or not' controversy tonight. Count me in with the 'do not back in' crowd with you. People who say it is easier/safer to back in are just plain morons and should be banned from owning/driving vehicles. For those who think this do me a favor. Next time you park this way count how many times you have to look in a mirror both in and out and how many times you have to adjust your steering. Now do it again only parking normally (head first). There is no comparison. Period. It's right up there with driving with both feet left foot for brake and right foot for gas. I've known people who do it and it's just plain dumb and dangerous.For those who do it though there just is no amount of reason that will dissuade them.

You're kidding, right? You're not really so dumb as to not realize you have to do the exact same thing backing *out* of the space? Which, incidentally, you're doing into an active traffic lane. Backwards.

You need to think a little harder before you jump into these arguments.

I have a much wider area to back into than you do, thus it is faster and easier. I have yet to ever cause or be involved in an accident while backing out of a space. Trust me, it's faster pulling in and backing out. I realize this isn't going to change they way anyone decides to park, so continue to park however you want.

Perhaps it is you who needs to think a little harder before jumping into arguments.

Let me get this straight. You jump into the "not this argument again" by telling everyone else who backs in that they "should count" and realize they "are morons." And when I point out that it's the same number of steps to back out as to back in, your argument suddenly becomes about your personal challenges and comforts with backing in or out, and people can "continue to park however you want."

Nope. Pretty sure I'm not the one having trouble with the thinking and the arguing.

Igor Jakovsky:Why the fark should you or anyone else care if someone pulls forward into the next spot at the grocery store? Are you trolling?

Honestly the only people that irritate me with their parking are the ones who think their car is so great that they park in the middle of 2 spots so no one can park next to them.

Both of those.

While I don't back into spaces in parking lots I will sometimes pull through. Why the hell not? How does that even bother anyone? (And if someone tries to park so close to me that I can't access my trunk, sorry to inform them that's for the spare tire and dead hookers - I usually just put shiat in my passenger compartment.)

As for people who can't park in one space, I used to fark with them. If I could still fit between the lines of the parking space I wanted, I'd do so and I wouldn't care if I only left them 2 inches to open their car door. I'm not gonna continue the chain reaction they started. And if I happened to be in an especially bad mood my car door just might hit their car (usually an SUV or pickup actually) and it just might hit it very hard, several times. That would be especially true in very crowded lots.

Well, you are the one having trouble with the reading and the quoting.

Go back and take a look at who actually said what. You've got your quotes confused. I said nothing about jumping into "not this argument again" or called anyone a moron or counted the number of steps of anything.

Pokey.Clyde:TuteTibiImperes: Why would an apartment complex have a rule that you have to park 'head first'? If I can I always prefer to back in to parking spaces, it makes it much safer when pulling out.

And this is a load of crap. Unless you don't know how to turn your head and back out slowly, there is little to no difference when it comes to pulling out. Plus, everyone has to wait around on the asshole backing in to get out of the damn way when they're pulling in.

I used to be a breaking news reporter before my kids were born. I probably covered 3-4 stories every year involving someone backing out over a kid. Never happened when they were pulling in. Now that I have four kids and live on a street with neighbors who have kids, I always back in to park so that I have full visibility pulling out.

Seriously, I would be more concerned at the quality of her hand writing than anything else. For somebody that is supposedly 14, that is appalling. A 5 year old with a pencil clenched between the butt-cheeks could produce a more legible effort.

Pokey.Clyde:Mikey1969: It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Never said any such thing. But you keep feeling like I'm out to get you and the rest of the "backers", crippy boy.

Wailing on about how people backing in sure makes it sound like you just wish everybody could do things JUST like you,,,

Actually apartment complexes have a few reasons for not backing in, and none of them are 'You will interfere with the Great Pokey Clyde'.

They're more like this:

1. Parking lots are tight, kids, wagons dogs and strollers,as adult pedestrians, as well as the roof pillar .Pulling in and backing around is safer. You get a grand view of the area, you can spot what is going on in .You climb in the car and and can slowly back in.

2. You can create traffic jams, Mostly by people who just have to insert themselves into, always wanna tell everybody that you are there and have poked the wrong lion with a stick. The atmosphere in the are a gets almost electric, and you're ready to get in this guy's face, I know how it goes, you strut around the car in question. Your shirt probably came straight off so that you can preen more. You storm around, slapping the hood, maybe you get a bat, break a fe windows, that's the way to stick it to them.

3. when cars are pointed nose out, and the parking places are door-side(of the motel or apartment buildings), any car parked has its tailpipe MAYBE 5ft from the door. Even worse when someone rolls right up as close as they can, so two people can't walk two abreast behind the car. Now Goofus will probably leave the car running, so all of that nasty shiat is pumped directly into the room for the next lucky souls.

Now see THOSE are reason, yours is just whining because someone dared to not agree with your assessment.

Pokey.Clyde:brimed03: Pokey.Clyde: Mikey1969: It's preferable to not have to back out of a parking space, but I understand your need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse. Everyone obviously needs to conform to your standards. We'll all mark it in our "Tasks".

Never said any such thing. But you keep feeling like I'm out to get you and the rest of the "backers", crippy boy.

Yeah, you did. Exactly that, in fact. Just seven comments up:

"If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving."

Frankly, I'm more concerned about people driving who can't remember their own words from 20 minutes ago.

Also: "crippy boy?" What are you, a fat Southern man in a white suit from 1952? Or just a really untalented troll?

No, mikey said I had a "need to insist that anyone backing into a spot is just there to make your day that much worse". I never said that. And crippy boy was just a crack it him for saying that there were days where he couldn't physically turn his head to look while driving/parking. And what the hell does a white suit and 1952 have to do with that? You lost me there.

Ah. You see, what mikey did there was called *sarcasm.* It's a literary effect, often used not merely for mockery but also to point out the ridiculous, often unstated implication of someone else's illogical argument.

Now that you know what to look for, you'll sometimes see *sarcasm* used right here in the comment sections of Fark. Yes, here!

"Crippy boy" is the sort of old-fashioned phrase a stereotypical bigot would use, hence my caricature of an old bigot paired with the hope that you were actually just trolling. But since you seem pretty ignorant of the fact that terms like "crippy" and "boy" (as a derogative) went out of use somewhere around 1969, I'll have to resign myself to the fact that ignorant slobs, too, can sometimes be found right here in the comment sections of Fark.

brimed03:"Crippy boy" is the sort of old-fashioned phrase a stereotypical bigot would use, hence my caricature of an old bigot paired with the hope that you were actually just trolling. But since you seem pretty ignorant of the fact that terms like "crippy" and "boy" (as a derogative) went out of use somewhere around 1969, I'll have to resign myself to the fact that ignorant slobs, too, can sometimes be found right here in the comment sections of Fark.

Keep calling me names and talking down to me. It sure does a hell of a lot to make you look good. And as for "crippy boy", the first time I ever heard that term was while watching Clerks 2.

debug:Well, you are the one having trouble with the reading and the quoting.

Go back and take a look at who actually said what. You've got your quotes confused. I said nothing about jumping into "not this argument again" or called anyone a moron or counted the number of steps of anything.

You're absolutely right about that and I'm sorry for the misattribution. It's hard to keep track of unindented nested quotes, and cumbersome to scroll back to original posts on mobile.

Considering which quote *was* yours, however, in your shoes I'd have kept quiet and gratefully accepted the misattribution. Poor as that argument was, it at least had the benefit of not being so patently explodable.

Pokey.Clyde:And crippy boy was just a crack it him for saying that there were days where he couldn't physically turn his head to look while driving/parking.

Since us cripples "shouldn't be driving", does that mean you're volunteering to drive us all to the store and to our jobs? Or are you just another blowhard who complains about the problem but wants someone else to be responsible for the solution?

Pokey.Clyde:brimed03: "Crippy boy" is the sort of old-fashioned phrase a stereotypical bigot would use, hence my caricature of an old bigot paired with the hope that you were actually just trolling. But since you seem pretty ignorant of the fact that terms like "crippy" and "boy" (as a derogative) went out of use somewhere around 1969, I'll have to resign myself to the fact that ignorant slobs, too, can sometimes be found right here in the comment sections of Fark.

Keep calling me names and talking down to me. It sure does a hell of a lot to make you look good. And as for "crippy boy", the first time I ever heard that term was while watching Clerks 2.

/and I think you need to look up the definition of sarcasm

I really can't tell if you're trolling or just dense! You call mikey "cripple boy" and then take offense at the perception that I'm calling you names. So let me add another: clueless.

/"looking down ON" you, not "looking down TO" you.//my definitions, like my grammar, are just fine thanks

the ha ha guy:Pokey.Clyde: And crippy boy was just a crack it him for saying that there were days where he couldn't physically turn his head to look while driving/parking.

Since us cripples "shouldn't be driving", does that mean you're volunteering to drive us all to the store and to our jobs? Or are you just another blowhard who complains about the problem but wants someone else to be responsible for the solution?

Naw, it's not that. It just hurts his head when he comes across people who don't do and think the things he does and thinks.

I back in, and am proud of the fact that I can do it faster than most mouth breathing drivers can park forward. I also pull forward, if it's an option. Don't like it?

Suck it!

Pokey.Clyde:If you can't back out of a parking space, like a normal person, you should be banned from driving. This is doubly so when the parking spots are angled, rather than straight in. Because when they are angled, backing in/pulling out head first means you are driving the wrong damn way down a one way lane.

Lulz. Who the hell backs into an angled lane? Do you live near a bunch of developmentally disabled people?

(checks profile for city/state)

Ahhh. I get it now.

Igor Jakovsky:Honestly the only people that irritate me with their parking are the ones who think their car is so great that they park in the middle of 2 spots so no one can park next to them.

I do that sometimes, at the furthest spot away from the doors. Meaning, the furthest, most desolate corner of the lot. No man's land.

brimed03:saturn badger: TuteTibiImperes: Why should they care if your tag is expired if the car is parked? Is it illegal to have an expired tag if you aren't driving?

In my state an expired tag on a public street is either a ticket or a tow away. Usually a ticket.

Question for the better-informed: for the purpose of municipal towing of expired tags, is an apartment complex parking lot treated as a public street or a private residential driveway?

Likely it's private property with the complex owners retaining towing rights, but does the municipality have any enforcement rights or claims?

Generally, it's considered private property, but most apartment complexes will have a rule or rules about cars with dead tags, expired inspection etc and they normally have to be removed from the property within a specified time frame.

brimed03:saturn badger: TuteTibiImperes: Why should they care if your tag is expired if the car is parked? Is it illegal to have an expired tag if you aren't driving?

In my state an expired tag on a public street is either a ticket or a tow away. Usually a ticket.

Question for the better-informed: for the purpose of municipal towing of expired tags, is an apartment complex parking lot treated as a public street or a private residential driveway?

Likely it's private property with the complex owners retaining towing rights, but does the municipality have any enforcement rights or claims?

Wherever I've lived, it's always been private property, but most leases I've signed have some language that says all cars must have up to date tags and be in working order - and NO working on your car or washing your car in the lot (except for one place which actually had an area set aside (with facilities) just for residents to wash and vacuum their cars - nice perk.

They do that to avoid nuisance tenants who park derelict broken down cars on their lot and will only enforce it if they deem you or your car to be a nuisance.

The city won't tow you, but property management can have it towed.

/IANAL. Laws may vary by location. Violate your lease at your own risk.//I've parked cars with expired registration for months at a time in apartment complexes and never had a problem, but I don't think I was being a nuisance and it was my daily driver, so I guess it was okay.

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debug:brimed03: saturn badger: TuteTibiImperes: Why should they care if your tag is expired if the car is parked? Is it illegal to have an expired tag if you aren't driving?

In my state an expired tag on a public street is either a ticket or a tow away. Usually a ticket.

Question for the better-informed: for the purpose of municipal towing of expired tags, is an apartment complex parking lot treated as a public street or a private residential driveway?

Likely it's private property with the complex owners retaining towing rights, but does the municipality have any enforcement rights or claims?

Generally, it's considered private property, but most apartment complexes will have a rule or rules about cars with dead tags, expired inspection etc and they normally have to be removed from the property within a specified time frame.

Thanks. So the complex does the tow, not the town.

What about ticketing? Can police ticket expired tags in apt complex lots? Either without, or with, the complex owner's permission?