Chaos Pact Teams

Chaos Pact teams are a mix of evil and chaotic races. The Marauders while enthusiastic have to be coached to fill the different needs of the team while other races provide the muscle and fineness to support the Marauders. However due to the arrogance, stupidity, or animalistic nature of the team members, it is rare to see a well organized and effective Chaos Pact team. The Chaos All-Stars are the best example of how great this team can be with the right coach.

Overview:

The first thing that will strike you when seeing the Chaos Pact roster is that they have the ability to take three different Big Guys and also a mixture of players from other teams. Having three ST5 players can give them a very strong line of players that can be hard for teams to get past, while the players from other races open up a few interesting development and tactical options. The other great benefit of Chaos Pact teams is the skill access of the Marauders as they can pick from most of the skill groups on normal rolls and add agility skills on doubles. The last great benefit is that apart from the Big Guys the rest of the team has mutation access on normal rolls.

Chaos Pact teams look very good on paper then from that respect and in practice you will soon see their shortcomings. Firstly the Big Guys are unreliable and having three of them will really make this apparent as a problem. The players from the other races have the Animosity skill which can make moving the ball around a problem if they decide they would rather hang onto the ball themselves. The team also starts with no blocking or ball handling skills making them reliant on rerolls early on. Team rerolls for Chaos Pact are also expensive which exaggerates the reliability problem of the lack of core starting skills.

I don’t recommend Chaos Pact as a starting team for a beginner player. The Big Guys are expensive and unreliable which may mean not having enough rerolls. This will make the team rather frustrating and tricky to play. If you don’t mind that though and fancy a challenge then a team with these players and skill access can be a lot of fun and offers some interesting player development options.

I have just started playing with a pact team. My first 6 games have gone really well, 4 wins and 2 draws.
I started with an unusual roster, so felt I would share it with everyone.
My roster was-
1Ogre
1 Goblin
1 Dark Elf
1 Skaven
7 Marauders
5 Re-rolls
The team has performed really well and I have found that having 5 re-rolls on this rookie team gives them a huge advantage over a lot of teams and have won a lot of my games on the back of this i.e. forcing opponents into making mistakes till they run out of re-rolls and using my re-roll advantage to make the difference. I felt this worthy of posting as almost every roster I have seen for Marauders has started with at least 2 big guys and as a result the teams have had less re-rolls and usually missing one of the rat, elf or gobo who have been incredibly important to my team. I would be interested to see some rosters from coach for the new teams to see what your opinions are about them etc…

The animosity is not as much of a problem as many people think. By developing a Marauder into a decent thrower, it is easy to send the ball downfield to either the Dark Elf, Skaven, or Goblin.

The discussion my league had was that the Marauders are overpowered. Their ability to take General, Strength, Passing, and Mutations opens them up to being very powerful. For a mere 50K, having access to so many skills might be too much.

haha, i made a team and it came out exactly the same roster as garions, better to get the rerolls while they are cheap i say! not had a chance to play them yet tho!
Animosity means the player must pass a 2+ roll if you want them to pass or hand off to someone who is not the same race as them (the whole team unless you have a star player or wild-card).

“just beastmen without Horns” : Beastmen are already one of the best players once they get a bit of xp and I think i prefer not to pay for horns. After all you have at least 5 of these guys on the field and you can only use horn once per turn. This way they are a lot cheaper and expendable so they are better on the los, you can foul better, have a deep bench easyer etc.

And P access is still nice even if only a couple use it : easy and cheap leader access, possibility to make a good passer, possibility to make a good reciver with nerves of steel and mutations etc.

What i like about them is that they are basicaly a beastman with a possibility of doing more agility plays : so a chaos team funnier to play against imo (yes i don’t realy like to play against full killer choas teams)

– The eventuality to be able to put 3 BG on the table. Just see your opponent when you are 3diceblocking his guys and opening armor with MightyBlow, is wonderful.
– The modelist challenge of painting a whole Kaos Pact team.
– The Challenge of playing so unreliable players especially when your 3 BG get stupid, really stupid and wild animals in the same time and of course whe. you’e jsut lost your Blitz on your Minotaur . It becomes really difficult to play when it happens.

So th constitution of the roster is one of the biggest problem at the beginning. do we have to take the 3 BG in order to make them pex the more quickly it is possible to do it. Or taking 3 re rolls but loosing a Big guy.

I think we just need the BG because they have a big impact int the blocking game when they work well. And also because we don’t play RR on a BG it is useless. A good KAos Pact player need to anticipate the fact that BG will get bonehead or WAnimal.

My 2 cents of a french facetofaceplayer
For the one who will be present to the NAF World Cup in Amsterdam in November I will be very enjoyed to meet you and discuting about our favorit game !

I’m also inclined to think that trading horns for 10K and passing skills is a good trade. Trading 4 Warriors for 2 Big guys…requires me to see in play before I come to a conclusion. I think this team will be at its best road blocking another bashy teams drive, but will struggle with own drive relative to std chaos.

Having agi 4 and mov 7 players on the pitch will defanately be awesome. with an truly amazing passer to back them up…I’m very curious to try this team despite my reservations.

Long time reader, first time poster.
Love the site Coach, it’s helped me get from a novice to a respectable player.
Now on topic:
Marauders: Determining balanced verses overpowered would depend on the length of the league. A 7 or 8 game league would not see overpowered Marauders.
Animosity: Use a Marauder to pass, and animosity becomes a non-issue.
Thoughts on Chaos Pact: Tons of potential if you have the time to put it to use.
Going to try a team with 10 marauders, a Ogre, 5 rerolls, and 10k in the bank.

It looks to me like this team would actually be less bash oriented than a normal chaos team, with 3 unreliable big guys standing around tying up opponents and a few marauders holding the front while the skaven, goblin and dark elf run for the end zone as another marauder passes them the ball… Tons of potential for wild plays, but losing a marauder would probably hurt more than a normal lineman since so much of their value is tied up in their skills…

Maybe they’re slightly less bashier than normal Chaos, but that definitely doesn’t mean they’re a passing team. Of course you could theoretically develop a Marauder Uber Thrower with Sure Hands, Pass, Accurate, Strong Arm, Extra Arm even without having to roll any doubles or agility upgrade, but that means he doesn’t have any defensive skills and probably won’t stay alive for a particularly long time. Besides that he will always stay two skills behind the throwers from other races. So you’d better use passing skill access to get Leader and mostly ignore the rest of those skills.

Also you shouldn’t waste your Big Guys’ strength by just having them stand around. Especially in the beginning you need them to dominate the opposition. Hit with them as often as possible, try to get the numbers advantage and learn to deal with them negatraiting or doubleskulling regularly. When they skill up without getting Block, fire them after 3 or 4 upgrades and buy new ones hopefully more talented. (Not all at once, though.)

Also you want as many Marauders as possible to level up. So don’t concentrate on your Dark Elf or Goblin as receivers. They aren’t particularly capable of that anyway, after all they’re just other teams’ Linemen with Animosity. On offense just let the least experienced Marauder (hopefully) pick up the ball and use him to score without fancy pass plays.

The Dark Elf, on the other hand, is much more suitable to be developed as cage buster with Wrestle, Horns, Dodge, Two Heads, Strip Ball, Leap and stuff, or as really annoying marker with Blodge, Side Step, Diving Tackle, Tackle and/or Prehensile Tail. And a Goblin with Two Heads, Big Hand and Extra Arm is a cool ball retriever for defense, who dodges and picks the ball up on a 2+ wherever it happens to bounce to, and he can even be thrown there from the other side of the pitch!

I like the skaven to get extra arms as a first skill. The skaven can then pick up on a 2+, catch an accurate pass on a 2+, and intercept on a 5+. With a move of seven, they can be quick with the ball. After extra arms, I’d go with catch perhaps, diving catch with doubles. Honestly, with Extra Arms and Block they are pretty set. Maybe Foul Appearance if I’m feeling fun and feisty! My most recent league had an Ag 4 Skaven with Extra Arms and Two Heads. He was a TD machine. The fun thing about Chaos renegades is you can do this even easier with the delf if you wanted to. Dodging through tacklezones at 2+, catching on 2+, picking up the ball in the open on a 2+…of course, without block, he died on a GFI in a Blizzard. R.I.P. you lil’ furry bastard!

I just built my first Chaos Renegades team for a local TT league. I’m a very experienced player, just never played this team before. I love the flavor and the fluff, and won my first game, TV 1000. I thought I’d share my roster. I brought the Ogre and Minotaur (waiting on the Troll for later, by far the worst of the three big guys, but I’ll get him eventually). I also brought 5 Human Renegades, the Orc Renegade, The Skaven Renegade, The Goblin Renegade, and the Dark Elf Renegade. 3 re-rolls, 4 fan factor. I wanted to experience the full flavor of the team, which is why I got one of everything, that’s what Chaos Pact is known for. I also realize that with very few starting skills, I would need re-rolls. That is one reason I’m not starting with a Troll. Also, all the Human Renegades have Pass Access so I’ll have a leader re-roll relatively soon. The 4 fan factor was a choice to also help with fame and the kick-off table, possibly earning some re-rolls there. I figured I would save for an apothecary first and then start saving for the Troll. I like this build because I have 12 players, I could cut it to 11 and add a re-roll and reduce fan factor, but I like the ability to have that 12th player. In my first game, I had my Skaven badly hurt, but on the next kick-off I was back to a full team while my opponent was down several players.

I know math is hard (at least for me) but that’s only 11 players by my count. It is however a good start for a TV1000 team in my opinion, and I agree that the fun of Pact is running a variety of players. You’re almost certain to have something go wrong every turn!