I've got a feeling that when we have the next big change in regulations say 2014 we might see restrictions on the shrink wrapped tightly packaged body of late. I think the FIA may mandate larger body work so that cars don't need to be as tightly packaged. Teams are spending too much on packaging the cars and cooling all the systems, that the poorer teams are struggling to keep up, also if Redbull are still dominating it might slow them down a bit. This might free up some space for the Williams flywheel kers system if it happens.

I have a feeling this wont be the case, as ERS will be so much more integrated into the overall package, and also that the manufacturers are all opting for the battery solution, Tesla, Prius just to name a few, plus BMW and GM the flywheel has seemed to have run it's race, with not been givn a fair shot, but what they did with it in the Porsche this year, shows that the flywheel definitely has a future,

"Senna impressed when racing for Renault in the final eight races of 2011 and also drove in 2010 for new team HRT"

Erm... Did he?

Not really. No.

So, there is some other source, quite reliable one, who thinks the deal was done 2 weeks ago (which I guess is in line with reports from Brazil) and announcement will be made next week. Waiting till next week then.

So, there is some other source, quite reliable one, who thinks the deal was done 2 weeks ago (which I guess is in line with reports from Brazil) and announcement will be made next week. Waiting till next week then.

So, there is some other source, quite reliable one, who thinks the deal was done 2 weeks ago (which I guess is in line with reports from Brazil) and announcement will be made next week. Waiting till next week then.

I refuse to understand Williams logic then. They desperately need a decent season in a midfield. Do they expect to have one with Maldonado and Senna onboard?

Good source . We have to wait for next week to see if it's a reliable one.

BTW.

f1talks f1talks.plIt seams that journalist at Autosport show cooked some stories. Senna to Williams and Petrov with Caterham...

f1enigma Dimi PAPADOPOULOS@f1talks Think its more than "cooked"

I refuse to understand Williams logic then. They desperately need a decent season in a midfield. Do they expect to have one with Maldonado and Senna onboard?

Exactly. New engine. New exhausts. New car designed by new people. New tyres. And from whom they will get feedback? Here's the answer:

First day of test.

Engineer: Bruno, what do you think about new engine? How is the driveability compared to Cosworth?Bruno: I don't know, I wasn't with you guys last year, don't you remember?E: Oh, yes... B: But wait, I got valuable experience of Cosworth from HRT and I know thing or two about Renault from my stint last year!E: Ekhm... thank you for that... (cries )

Second day of test.

Engineer: Pastor, do you hear me? How's the car?Pastor: Fu*k!E: What?P: Fu*k!E: Wait, I see on our telemetry you lost front wing and both front wheels, what the hell happened?P: Hamilton crashed into me!E: How is that possible if you are missing front end of the car?P: He crashed into me, you know??!!E: Pastor, tell me the truth! What happened out there?P: He crashed into me, this is racing!!E: You were on the fu*king outlap you idiot, this is NOT racing !!!P: This IS racing, hombre!E: F*ck .

Yes, Senna would be an unhappy decision for me. He was only in the points once when nine other cars fell off. In the other races he was miles behind Petrov. Whatever Andrew Benson says, I don't agree. Senna even finished some races behind the Williams and Heikki's Lotus, which takes some doing.

Williams has had very weak driver pairings since 05. Barrichello and Hulk was the strongest, despite it being Hulk's rookie year. But unfortunately that was short-lived.

In 2009 Williams had a good car and started the season with the DD advantage. Rosberg fluffed a couple of podium chances and Nakajima somehow contrived to score no points whatsoever all year. Unbelievable. Wurz was a mistake too.

Yes, Senna would be an unhappy decision for me. He was only in the points once when nine other cars fell off. In the other races he was miles behind Petrov. Whatever Andrew Benson says, I don't agree. Senna even finished some races behind the Williams and Heikki's Lotus, which takes some doing.

Williams has had very weak driver pairings since 05. Barrichello and Hulk was the strongest, despite it being Hulk's rookie year. But unfortunately that was short-lived.

In 2009 Williams had a good car and started the season with the DD advantage. Rosberg fluffed a couple of podium chances and Nakajima somehow contrived to score no points whatsoever all year. Unbelievable. Wurz was a mistake too.

If Williams goes back to being a one-driver team, I shall despair.

05?

Williams had strong diver pairings in 05 and 06

Webber/Heidfeld and then Webber/Rosberg was much stronger than Rubens/Hulk.

Yes, Senna would be an unhappy decision for me. He was only in the points once when nine other cars fell off. In the other races he was miles behind Petrov. Whatever Andrew Benson says, I don't agree. Senna even finished some races behind the Williams and Heikki's Lotus, which takes some doing.

Williams has had very weak driver pairings since 05. Barrichello and Hulk was the strongest, despite it being Hulk's rookie year. But unfortunately that was short-lived.

In 2009 Williams had a good car and started the season with the DD advantage. Rosberg fluffed a couple of podium chances and Nakajima somehow contrived to score no points whatsoever all year. Unbelievable. Wurz was a mistake too.

If Williams goes back to being a one-driver team, I shall despair.

I can see a bright prospects for Williams in 2013 - talanted and young Bottas as a second driver, a one-year expirience with Renault engines and a new people in the team. All they need is a nice and steady 2012 year. They might be not happy with Rubens for whatever reason? as he likes to moan too much, but he definitely is the nessesary element for the team to improve their positions. Dispite my desire to evaluate Bruno after a full season in a decent team.

In the hope of adding some objectivity to the debate. Does one feel Williams' performance is driver limited or car limited. If it was driver limited then Barrichello's "feedback" input would had made some difference to performance don't you think?. In fact, in the situation where one needed the driver to elevate performance it was Maldonado who stepped up to the plate in Monaco and Spa, which, ironically are the last two driver circuits on the calender.
If the performance is car limited, then Williams need funding to optimise transmission, KERS, Aero and new engine installation. When last I looked Williams had to sign a major sponsor and don't look like achieving that in the near future. Finishing outside the top six last year doesn't help their .position either
No I'm afraid just on a commercial basis the Senna deal is the obvious one, even before considering his driving ability. feel I for one two young hungry drivers looking to establish themselves is likely to drive the team forward far quicker than any experienced driver.
As for the Sutil debate; Aggravated assault with a dangerous weapon if prooven usually has some jail time assocaiated with it.

I can see a bright prospects for Williams in 2013 - talanted and young Bottas as a second driver, a one-year expirience with Renault engines and a new people in the team. All they need is a nice and steady 2012 year. They might be not happy with Rubens for whatever reason? as he likes to moan too much, but he definitely is the nessesary element for the team to improve their positions. Dispite my desire to evaluate Bruno after a full season in a decent team.

In the hope of adding some objectivity to the debate. Does one feel Williams' performance is driver limited or car limited. If it was driver limited then Barrichello's "feedback" input would had made some difference to performance don't you think?. In fact, in the situation where one needed the driver to elevate performance it was Maldonado who stepped up to the plate in Monaco and Spa, which, ironically are the last two driver circuits on the calender. If the performance is car limited, then Williams need funding to optimise transmission, KERS, Aero and new engine installation. When last I looked Williams had to sign a major sponsor and don't look like achieving that in the near future. Finishing outside the top six last year doesn't help their .position either No I'm afraid just on a commercial basis the Senna deal is the obvious one, even before considering his driving ability. feel I for one two young hungry drivers looking to establish themselves is likely to drive the team forward far quicker than any experienced driver. As for the Sutil debate; Aggravated assault with a dangerous weapon if prooven usually has some jail time assocaiated with it.

I totally agree, I think that Williams handicap this year was mostly car performance and, while I would not like to see a (so far) medicore driver as B.Senna driving the Williams next year, I think it is the best option at the moment.At least he's not a known quantity, he could surprise.

I really don't see ANY reason for Williams to choose Rubens over Bruno.- he hasn't dominated his rookie teammate (who has paid driver stigma attached to his name)- he reportedly brings less money- the age factor - he hasn't been exceptional this season, doubt he could be better in 2012- while the technical dept. is most responsible for FW33, the car was developed with help of his feedback, and it was meant to be upgraded during 2011 with help of his feedback. We all know how that turned out- he doesn't fit into the "big change" vision of williams

I doubt that we will see Sutil in FW34 with the court case thing.

Anyway, I think that it was FW who said that almost any F1 driver today can get the maximum from the car, so that's one more reason why I think they'll go with Bruno.

Bruno looked poor compared to Petrov. Barrichello's drive in Abu Dhabi was brilliant, far better than anything Senna's ever done in F1. If Senna's so good why did Lotus sack him for Grosjean?

The 2011 car design was flawed for reasons that were detailed by Sam Michael (differences between Cosworth and Renault not appreciated, overweight monocoque etc) and how on earth *any* of those issues can be attributed to Barrichello is beyond me.

The 2011 car design was flawed for reasons that were detailed by Sam Michael (differences between Cosworth and Renault not appreciated, overweight monocoque etc) and how on earth *any* of those issues can be attributed to Barrichello is beyond me.

Maybe with better feedback they wouldn't have gazillion of update parts which didn't work?

Maybe with better feedback they wouldn't have gazillion of update parts which didn't work?

And what kind of feedback you can get from someone, who after one day of pre-season testing and one FP1 session forgets to use DRS in qual?

Rubens was pushing team to solve ride height problems and he was the one who was running at Nurburgring without KERS in order to see what are benefits of this kind of experiment. IIRC he also made a lot of comments about Cosworth, so they could improve their engine.

I don't see anything in Pastor and Bruno which makes me thinking they can help with developing new FW34 with new exhausts, new tyres and new engine through their feedback.

Wouldn't there be an argument that if the driver they favour is less-experienced and new to the team (Senna, Petrov, to a lesser extent Sutil), that it would be better announcing them earlier rather than later so they can spend time in the simulator and getting to know the team?

Or is that not so important these days? I would have thought so given the lack of testing...

Wouldn't there be an argument that if the driver they favour is less-experienced and new to the team (Senna, Petrov, to a lesser extent Sutil), that it would be better announcing them earlier rather than later so they can spend time in the simulator and getting to know the team?

Bruno looked poor compared to Petrov. Barrichello's drive in Abu Dhabi was brilliant, far better than anything Senna's ever done in F1. If Senna's so good why did Lotus sack him for Grosjean?

What we have to factor in here is the lack of testing that is the current situation with F1. The recent crop of rookies like Jaime Alguersuari, Romain Grosjean and Bruno Senna have been thrown in at the deep end with hardly any experience in an F1 car since the abolition of in-season testing to cut costs.

The thing with Bruno Senna is that flashes of brilliance did surface, but there was too much inconsistency, which exactly mirrors the fortunes of Alguersuari when he first started with Toro Rosso back in the late summer of 2009.

I'm not judging Senna until I've seen him obtain a little more experience, if he gets the chance.

It appears as though Senna will be announced within the next 24 hours.

Tis a sad time if true. Williams were the team that I routed for when I first started watching F1 in '95, and I'd still love to see them do well. Sadly, post BMW there just seems to have been wrong turn after wrong turn.I hate to use the cliched Tyrrell analogy, however on paper, if they take Senna, Williams will be the only team, that I can think of, to take both their drivers because of commercial considerations. Kinda like Tyrell in '98...Even all three of the "new" teams seem to have one driver, at least, there on merit (or experience, if not speed) and not the size of their wallet.

I really hope the engineers pull it out of the bag with car, cos if not, the most we're going to see of the Williams cars is when they're been lapped, or when they crash.

I´m rooting for Bruno to get seat,and IMO Ruben´s time has come,it would be nice to Williams to have a pair like Senna/Sutil.
Algersuari is rumoured to be setting up a third driver role at Macca,therefore taking Paffet put og picture