Oliver Strutynski has a mission.
Frustrated by the fact that some online banks discriminate againstKonqueror, he hasannounced
a website for promoting
Konqueror to banks. According to the site, "It is the purpose of
this page to collect a list of online banking sites that work with recent
versions of Konqueror or to present work-arounds for using online banking
sites that fail to load correctly on first try".
If you do engage in advocacy with your bank, please keep in mind theLinux Advocacy
Guidelines (non-Linux'ers, filter the page through sed -e s'@Linux@MYOS@g', and it will address you too). Most countries heavily regulate their banks and thus banks have additional legal obligations and
liabilities in terms of security. This means that providing support for a particular browser may not necessarily be as simple as it would be for a different category of website; however, if enough customers request it . . . .

Yes, improving Javascript in Konqueror is the way to attain compatability. I don't think banks are discriminating directly against it.

At bankamerica.com, there is a gigantic heap of Javascript code. I have read through it before, trying to modify it to work with Konqueror just to login (for konq 2.1.1). The Javascript code works with IE and Netscape (even 4.7, so it does work in Linux). If Konqueror could understand all of that code properly, then it would work there also.

I think a bigger question here is: why the hell do bank websites need javascript? I did not feel comfortable reading that huge heap of code. It's not for additional security is it? JS won't help you there anyway. Security through major obscurity? I actually see no reason for the code, and I really wonder if the bank web programmers are just clueless. I vote that they just take out this pointless JS code. Then they'd gain not just Konq compatability, but lynx!

I'm positive it didn't work in 2.1.1, and I'm pretty sure it didn't work in 2.2.1 either (or maybe it was 2.2.0...). Maybe bank of america changed their page? Anyway, it seems to be working. I even made a payment. Whee!

Cripes, it's the other way around for me! A while back (probably the 2.1 days) I was able to use Bank of America just fine (once I changed my UA string). However with 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 I haven't been able to log in. The page asking for Account #, etc, just loops. I enter the info, and get sent back to the page. Over and over. This happens with a 2.2.1 box at home and a 2.2.2 box here at work (happened with 2.2.1 here at work as well). Works for me in Mozilla, though, so my account is properly set up. *shrug*

I've tried the online banking. I installed the latest (version 1.3.#) Java runtime environment from www.blackdown.org. The package includes plugins for Netscape version 4 and for Mozilla based browsers (Galeon, Mozilla). The online banking works with Mozilla and Galeon but not with Netscape 4.7.

Konqeror doesn't work! I'm not sure why? In the Konqeror Netscape-plugins settings, it says to look for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in /usr/lib/netscape/plugins. Which JAVA plugin is loaded by Konqeror I'm not sure? Maybe if I remove the /usr/lib/netscape/plugins line???

I've tried the online banking. I installed the latest (version 1.3.#) Java runtime environment from www.blackdown.org. The package includes plugins for Netscape version 4 and for Mozilla based browsers (Galeon, Mozilla). The online banking works with Mozilla and Galeon but not with Netscape 4.7.

Konqeror doesn't work! I'm not sure why? In the Konqeror Netscape-plugins settings, it says to look for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in /usr/lib/netscape/plugins. Which JAVA plugin is loaded by Konqeror I'm not sure? Maybe if I remove the /usr/lib/netscape/plugins line???

i talked with oliver about those exact issues and he said that once they have enough reports together they will be moving it to konqueror.org. that is also why the page is so spartan at the moment as it will be moving to the konqueror.org webpage template.

Some of the sites listed on the page fail because the java applets employed there do not work fully. I think this is at the moment the biggest problem with using konqueror as an (apart from this issue the best) all purpose web browser.

In general java applets seem to load/initialise a lot slower in konqueror than in any other browser. Furthermore, since java<->javascript interaction (LiveConnect) does not work, a lot of applets on banking sites do not function correctly.

What I would really love to see is that (at least optionally) konqueror would load applets through SUN's java plugin, and that LiveConnect would be implemented so that a plugin could have access to the browser and vice versa.

So true. My biggest problem with Konqueror is all the hack it needs to launch my webbank. Since I'm a Linux Newbe, it has taken me so long to get the right Java support for my box fixed right. I guess a lot of users out there has had the same problems with Java like me I would most definitly recomend a better Java embedding in 3.0 than that of now. Is the reason its not working very well now any licenseissues with Sun - or is it possible to have Java support with KDE without having to download it from Sun in the future?

I completely agree, applets do work but there is no interaction between the applets and the browser at the moment and this breaks many pages that use applets. In my opinion, this is one of the most important limitations of Konqueror at the moment, most other things are nicely standard compliant.

Off topic but I would really like to know if this bug is being worked on for Konqueror in KDE 3. Basically the problem is some gif animations using 100% cpu.
These bug reports are all related to the problem:http://bugs.kde.org/db/29/29963.htmlhttp://bugs.kde.org/db/23/23368.htmlhttp://bugs.kde.org/db/29/29196.htmlhttp://bugs.kde.org/db/34/34433.html
Maybe there's an explanation as to why it's hard to solve?
Now back on topic my bank is http://nbc.ca This site will only work with IE or Netscape 4.x. Mozilla wont work (navigation menu JavaScript problem), Opera wont work (Tells me I'm navigating using bookmarks), Konqueror gives me blank page (JavaScript again I guess).
This means I have to keep Netscape 4.77 around just for one site and to tell you the truth I really don't expect the KDE team to make it work either. I'd much rather the bank to use some form of standard when writing their web site. I've emailed them but I think they are under the impression that there is only one OS out there.

Greetings
I think this is a Java problem here, what fails for me is Java over SSL.

I heard some info about this in the past but I have never seen anything come out of it. Debugging bank web pages is a real problem because as much as I like what David is doing for KDE and KJS I am just not sure I want him tweaking with my bank account ;)

I have contacted them and they seemed to take concern but I have yet to see anything.

Java and SSL are a known issue on the PPC, although I have to admit I have not tried again with it since KDE 2.2.0. Ill wander back there and give it a try. The blackdown port of Java is lacking sound, ssl and some other minor things.

I have never ateempted to try it on my Athlon, I figure when it works consistantly it will ship default with KDE, kinda how java works now.

Yes, I have tried to change the user-agent. I can log in there without any problems, but the banking-section doesn't work (the menu where I choose what to do doesn't work). It's made with javascript (if I remember correctly), so the problem can be at Konquerors javascript-implementation.

I prefer Konq because it uses native widgets, but I'll admit that Mozilla probably has a (somewhat) wider acceptance base. Has anyone tried to create a gecko based browser for KDE which uses Qt widgets similar to how Galeon uses gecko w. GTK?

in konq>> settings/ configure Konq , then file associtations. Type in html, and expand text to find html the only choice. click that and go to embedding. you should see this list on the bottowm KHTML, KMOZILLA. if there is no KMOZILLA, click ADD then KMOZILLA. if ther already is KMOZILLA, select it then push "move up". hope this helps you out

I'm on a Redhat 9.0, with apt from freshrpms and only kde (packages provided by kde-redhat).
I've installed kdebindings (1.3.4), and went to Konqueror config, but there was no trace of kmozilla there (even on the ADD dialog box)...
Anyone could help me?

I don't think that's that true. In fact, until a few months ago, Mozilla was abolutely horrid. Now, I think there are more Moz users than Konq users, but not by much. I'd have to say that there are still many, many, NS 4.7 users. Opera also has a significant loyal user base.

It doesn't work with me. I have the latest Mozilla installed with apt-get. The menu where you choose what to do doesn't work. Sometimes it seems to be trying to work, but it's unusable for me. I have had more luck with Mozilla than with Konqueror, but neither of them work well enough to be usable.

I am using konqueror 2.2.1 on Suse 7.3. I had tried to access the german comdirect online bank www.comdirect.de.

As soon as you press the button 'login direct brokerage' you get a message,
that only Microsoft Internet Explorer Version 4.0 or higher, Netscape Communicator Version 4.5 or higher, as well as the usage of Netscape 6 Version 6.1 or higher is possible for access.

Afterwards, it is stated, that you are currently using "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.1)". I tried to fake a different browser type. But it did not help.

From comdirect I got the message, that Java, java script and style sheets have to be activated on Netscape 4 (Version 4.78 works, but not very good).

Are you sure it worked? If it says you are using konqueror when you press the button, you didn't change the user agent correctly. If you change the user agent, they will not be able to tell that you are not using IE except with dirty hacks, and they certainly won't be able to tell that you are using Konqueror.