Whoever is defending this game probably hasn't actually played it. I had to concur with nearly everything Yahtzee said. The motion controls in particular were some of the worst I've had to endure ever. I appreciate it may not take the title for "least original game ever" but it certainly isn't escaping a "pretty unoriginal" stamp. They could have given up making these bloody games. It was forgivable the first few times but now it's just ridiculous.

Skyward Sword, while not flawless, is still a more fresh and original game than, say... Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim. Seriously, Skyrim is great, but it's just a better looking, better playing version of Oblivion/Morrowind/Daggerfall/Arena.[

All you ignorant little shits, look at this post, and tell me you don't feel the weight of your own hypocrisy.

I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove. Pointing out that Skyward Sword is more original than "Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim." is just saying it's the warmest block of ice. All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series. That does not redeem this game from being a reskinned version of a game I played 12 years ago.

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

Motakikurushi:I must thank Yahtzee ever so much for this and revealing what every reviewer on the planet is too afraid to admit, that Skyward Sword is a total fucking disappointment but "christ it's the only game the Wii has so please don't take it away from us". I honestly think Majora's Mask and Wind Waker are the best Zelda games. They're binary opposites in terms of gameplay mechanics and tone but they each attempt unique directions with the franchise and that at least is something. I find the players who abandoned Majora's Mask out of frustration or a lack of patience mildly humorous, they're missing out on some of the best moments in the franchise. Giving a video game an interesting approach? What a novel idea!Even if Skyward Sword disgraces the franchise do we honestly think Wii owners wouldn't buy it?

Total fucking dissapointment? I can name far bigger disappointments. (coughSkyrimcough)

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

You act like that's the only thing they changed. What about the way the dungeons are laid out or while not the best example, the upgrade system? What about the more exploratory progression of the game? That not enough for you?

Just once, I would like to find a gaming site run by the 3rd party that doesn't seem to hate the hell out of Nintendo. I admit my bias, Nintendo is my favorite console company and Zelda is my favorite franchise, and Skyward Sword did indeed have some flaws. But come on, this is just spite. The plot had tons of new material for canon, the side characters actually became more than 2D people who were only there to give you stuff, and the controls aren't that bad.

Revolutionaryloser:Whoever is defending this game probably hasn't actually played it. I had to concur with nearly everything Yahtzee said. The motion controls in particular were some of the worst I've had to endure ever. I appreciate it may not take the title for "least original game ever" but it certainly isn't escaping a "pretty unoriginal" stamp. They could have given up making these bloody games. It was forgivable the first few times but now it's just ridiculous.

Trishbot:Skyward Sword, while not flawless, is still a more fresh and original game than, say... Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim. Seriously, Skyrim is great, but it's just a better looking, better playing version of Oblivion/Morrowind/Daggerfall/Arena.[

All you ignorant little shits, look at this post, and tell me you don't feel the weight of your own hypocrisy.

I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove. Pointing out that Skyward Sword is more original than "Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim." is just saying it's the warmest block of ice. All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series. That does not redeem this game from being a reskinned version of a game I played 12 years ago.

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

And yet you don't see anyone show anywhere near as much hate for those games, because they're made by game companies that are "cool."

Really, if anything, you and everyone else here are just displaying an irrational hatred for Nintendo, and by proxy, Japanese game developers in general.

And yet you don't see anyone show anywhere near as much hate for those games, because they're made by game companies that are "cool."

I hate all the games cited above. A lot of people hate all the games cited above. If you think that Gears of War, Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are not critizised incessantly for being regurgitated crap then you live in a different world to everyone else. Every game gets stick whether it deserves it or not so face it like a man and stop making petty excuses for a game that might have been passable a decade ago.

Just accept that Skyward Sword is not a very good game in the same way that Assassin's Creed: Revelations is not a very good game. The only reason you would think it is a good game is if you hadn't already played it four times.

Oh, and congratulations on pulling the racist card out of fucking nowhere. That is a really good way to stir up intelligent and civil discussion asshole.

Without checking I'd guess that nearly all their big 1st party releases score 85+ on Metacritic.

Even Yahtzee doesn't hate them. At least no more than anything else. In fact he openly LIKES Mario Galaxy.

As for saying that he was moaning about the motion controller 4 years ago, and that he shouldn't do it now as it's getting old... Maybe he STILL thinks that it's a badly implemented control scheme?

I refer more to the members than the sites themselves. The actual review of Skyward Sword on the Escapist scored the game quite high, but it seems common for members to hate on Nintendo on the sites I have been to. The Escapist was my first gaming site in years because I got tired of being one of the few Nintendo fans. It's not a huge deal, but it would be nice to find a site not run by Nintendo where the majority of people didn't bash the Wii or claim "Zelda is just the same game" because it keeps the basic plot of "Link saves Zelda."

Just accept that Skyward Sword is not a very good game in the same way that Assassin's Creed: Revelations is not a very good game. The only reason you would think it is a good game is if you hadn't already played it four times.

Oh, and congratulations on pulling the racist card out of fucking nowhere. That is a really good way to stir up intelligent and civil discussion asshole.

Really? I've played the Zelda series thousands of times, and I still think Skyward Sword is an amazing game.

I just don't understand how anyone can dislike this game for being similar to an older game in the series.

It's basically saying that you're getting tired of something that is, by definition, impossible to get tired of.

You act like that's the only thing they changed. What about the way the dungeons are laid out or while not the best example, the upgrade system? What about the more exploratory progression of the game? That not enough for you?

No. No it isn't

OK now seriously. It's funny. The way you word your argument it sounds as if you are saying that if they had put exactly the same dungeons in, it would only be sort of a dick move. The fact that they put the effort into creating a whole new dungeon is like fucking charity. No one actually expected them to actually design a different game. We were actually expecting Zelda: Ocarina of Time HD.

I really can't tell if you are serious anymore but if you are, you are a bad influence on gaming. It is because of people like you that mediocrity in gaming is acceptable. You probably think that giving a game a review score of 10 is perfectly acceptable. You don't seem to understand that developers are supposed to think of ways to make games better and more entertaining. Not by adding one new feature and changing a few things around but by actually using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity. I've probably lost you at this point, so whatever. Go play every "new" game they throw at you and pay 60 bucks every time. It's not my money anyway.

Just accept that Skyward Sword is not a very good game in the same way that Assassin's Creed: Revelations is not a very good game. The only reason you would think it is a good game is if you hadn't already played it four times.

Oh, and congratulations on pulling the racist card out of fucking nowhere. That is a really good way to stir up intelligent and civil discussion asshole.

Really? I've played the Zelda series thousands of times, and I still think Skyward Sword is an amazing game.

I just don't understand how anyone can dislike this game for being similar to an older game in the series.

It's basically saying that you're getting tired of something that is, by definition, impossible to get tired of.

Except it's obviously not impossible, because he's tired of it. Different people have different opinions. Some people dislike the fact that the series keeps relying on a carefully regimented formula. Some people enjoy the games nonetheless. Some people enjoy lining their pockets with live clownfish. None of these people are wrong, though some of them do start to smell after a short period of time.

You act like that's the only thing they changed. What about the way the dungeons are laid out or while not the best example, the upgrade system? What about the more exploratory progression of the game? That not enough for you?

No. No it isn't

OK now seriously. It's funny. The way you word your argument it sounds as if you are saying that if they had put exactly the same dungeons in, it would be sort of a dick move. The fact that they put the effort into creating a whole new dungeon is like fucking charity. No one actually expected them to actually design a different game. We were actually expecting Zelda: Ocarina of Time HD.

I really can't tell if you are serious anymore but if you are, you are a bad influence on gaming. It is because of people like you that mediocrity in gaming is acceptable. You probably think that giving a game a review score of 10 is perfectly acceptable. You don't seem to understand that developers are supposed to think of ways to make games better and more entertaining. Not by adding one new feature and changing a few things around but by actually using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity. I've probably lost you at this point, so whatever. Go play every "new" game they throw at you and pay 60 bucks every time. It's not my money anyway.

And why does "using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity" not include Skyward Sword's revolutionary motion-control scheme?

You act like that's the only thing they changed. What about the way the dungeons are laid out or while not the best example, the upgrade system? What about the more exploratory progression of the game? That not enough for you?

No. No it isn't

OK now seriously. It's funny. The way you word your argument it sounds as if you are saying that if they had put exactly the same dungeons in, it would be sort of a dick move. The fact that they put the effort into creating a whole new dungeon is like fucking charity. No one actually expected them to actually design a different game. We were actually expecting Zelda: Ocarina of Time HD.

I really can't tell if you are serious anymore but if you are, you are a bad influence on gaming. It is because of people like you that mediocrity in gaming is acceptable. You probably think that giving a game a review score of 10 is perfectly acceptable. You don't seem to understand that developers are supposed to think of ways to make games better and more entertaining. Not by adding one new feature and changing a few things around but by actually using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity. I've probably lost you at this point, so whatever. Go play every "new" game they throw at you and pay 60 bucks every time. It's not my money anyway.

And why does "using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity" not include Skyward Sword's revolutionary motion-control scheme?

Revolutionaryloser:Whoever is defending this game probably hasn't actually played it. I had to concur with nearly everything Yahtzee said. The motion controls in particular were some of the worst I've had to endure ever. I appreciate it may not take the title for "least original game ever" but it certainly isn't escaping a "pretty unoriginal" stamp. They could have given up making these bloody games. It was forgivable the first few times but now it's just ridiculous.

Skyward Sword, while not flawless, is still a more fresh and original game than, say... Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim. Seriously, Skyrim is great, but it's just a better looking, better playing version of Oblivion/Morrowind/Daggerfall/Arena.[

All you ignorant little shits, look at this post, and tell me you don't feel the weight of your own hypocrisy.

I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove. Pointing out that Skyward Sword is more original than "Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim." is just saying it's the warmest block of ice. All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series. That does not redeem this game from being a reskinned version of a game I played 12 years ago.

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

You obviously haven't played Skyward Sword. If anything, you have played Twilight Princess and you think you played SS. But I doubt you even have a Wii. You probably just jumped on the bandwagon and hate everything that is even a bit Nintendo related.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. They don't work at all... wait what? They work almost perfectly? Hmmmm... the video is probably fake. It must me. There is no other explanation. Gamespot said so. But lets ignore the fact that they admitted being wrong and that the controls work better than any other motion control. Ignore the fact that the player doesn't know to move his arms because he lost all body coordination during playing CoD.

You can save your pretty unoriginal stamp for every other game that came out this year but didn't get ANY hate at all.

Let me quote you

All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series.

Really? Skyrim got called out for being a copy of the last game in the series? I'm not sure, but I think i read somewhere that it got the GotY award from almost every site who gives those awards. Ohh poor Skyrim. Everyone hates it for being the same as Arena just bigger. They hate it so much that that they can't stop talking how awesome awful the game is. Right?

Assassins Creed got also some rewards... hmmm... funny.Uncharted 3... yeah... that game that Yahtzee said even tho it has many flaws, he still likes it. Lets ignore for a second that it's basically Uncharted 2 without any changes beside the terrain. That Uncharted 2 is basically Uncharted 1 which is a Prince of Persia clone with guns to make the kids in puberty think they are badass.

Face it, no other game and company is hated as Zelda and Nintendo. For no obvious reason.

A game that has everything new but keeps the nice, fuzzy, warm, well-known feeling is the same as the previous, while a game that is dumbed down with every sequel and is just bigger gets the GOTY.

Without checking I'd guess that nearly all their big 1st party releases score 85+ on Metacritic.

Even Yahtzee doesn't hate them. At least no more than anything else. In fact he openly LIKES Mario Galaxy.

As for saying that he was moaning about the motion controller 4 years ago, and that he shouldn't do it now as it's getting old... Maybe he STILL thinks that it's a badly implemented control scheme?

Well, if you look at other games that get a 9 or higher from the same site, you will notice that they aren't really fair. CoD MW 3 got a 8.5 from Gamespot while Skyward Sword got a 7.5.

Main flaws of Skyward Sword - NOTHING innovative and bad controls (but they admitted later that they where wrong and still kept the lower score for bad controls, fuck logic).Positive about CoD MW 3 - guess what, they say it's fucking innovative. FUCKING CALL OF DUTY IS INNOVATIVE!!!!

A game that brought motion controls to a whole new level is not innovative while a reskined CoD is? Would you say that that is fair? That it was reasonable giving a lower score to Skyward Sword than to CoD? Gears of War 3? Uncharted 3?

I will not talk about Skyrim this time and it's score because I fucking love the game and I'm playing it now. But the other games that are praised so much don't deserve nothing above a 6 (which is still a above average game since 5 is the average)

Also Yahtzee liking just one Nintendo game doesn't prove him wrong. What was the last time that he said something positive about Nintendo? When the Wii was released? When the 3DS was released? When the DS was released (when everyone including Nintendo thought it's going to be a flop)?

He bitches how there is no improvement in games, how no one is doing anything to improve the gaming experience, to bring it on a whole new level. But when Nintendo releases something new that CAN bring the gaming experience on a whole new level, than he's a lazy ass hypocrite who can't move his arm for more than 20 seconds without needing to go to a clinic.

And look at the youtube video I posted. Tell me if that looks like a badly implemented control scheme.

I understand not liking the game, but people HATE it without even playing it. They HATE it for things that aren't true. They HATE it simply because it's a Nintendo game and they want to be cool for hating a game "for children".

OK now seriously. It's funny. The way you word your argument it sounds as if you are saying that if they had put exactly the same dungeons in, it would be sort of a dick move. The fact that they put the effort into creating a whole new dungeon is like fucking charity. No one actually expected them to actually design a different game. We were actually expecting Zelda: Ocarina of Time HD.

I really can't tell if you are serious anymore but if you are, you are a bad influence on gaming. It is because of people like you that mediocrity in gaming is acceptable. You probably think that giving a game a review score of 10 is perfectly acceptable. You don't seem to understand that developers are supposed to think of ways to make games better and more entertaining. Not by adding one new feature and changing a few things around but by actually using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity. I've probably lost you at this point, so whatever. Go play every "new" game they throw at you and pay 60 bucks every time. It's not my money anyway.

And why does "using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity" not include Skyward Sword's revolutionary motion-control scheme?

OK now I know you are trolling me. This is my last reply. 6/10

I'm asking you a legitimate question here. You demand innovation, but when you're provided it, you dismiss it as nothing.

I agree with a lot of the points, yet I still loved the game.Fi is freaking annoying, pointing out everything, and the collectible menu pop up thing every time you start the game is the worst thing ever.Flying around isn't too fun, it just gets tedious.But I still enjoy the game

Mxrz:I'd like to think Nintendo secretly pays all their fanatics to jump into action anytime someone criticizes Nintendo in some fashion on the internet, but the reality is just more depressing.

My sentiments exactly. This whole thread just about proves that while Nintendo fanboys can dish it out, they sure can't take it. Depressing, really. If I had a nickel every time I saw someone whinge about "Modern Warfare 2.5" I'd be very rich indeed, yet the moment someone levels the same accusation another franchise that settles with a few new graphical tweaks, new weapons (and maybe not even that), and new maps (that happens to be produced by Nintendo) they fly into a frothing rage.

I have to disagree how the control isn't responsive by saying that it was way too responsive for me, I would try to block quickly after i attack one last time only to spin and get smacked. I try to slash in a --- motion only it read it as / 70% of the freaking time getting me electrocuted.

I hated how useless the Skyward Strike was only being used to progress the story (or treasure), I have never really tried to use it (unless it's the final hit for dramatic effect) and even then it better if I just spin like a madman. I especially hated the bird riding crap, I love riding the horse in OOT, sailing my big red talking boat in WW but the bird was the worst and most unnecessary thing I played in my entire gaming life (even worst then the AC Rev Tower defense).

I like Skyward Sword but also hate it, Bosses were great (except for Demise 1-3) but seeing the same item the last 10 years is getting annoying.

Revolutionaryloser:Whoever is defending this game probably hasn't actually played it. I had to concur with nearly everything Yahtzee said. The motion controls in particular were some of the worst I've had to endure ever. I appreciate it may not take the title for "least original game ever" but it certainly isn't escaping a "pretty unoriginal" stamp. They could have given up making these bloody games. It was forgivable the first few times but now it's just ridiculous.

All you ignorant little shits, look at this post, and tell me you don't feel the weight of your own hypocrisy.

I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove. Pointing out that Skyward Sword is more original than "Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim." is just saying it's the warmest block of ice. All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series. That does not redeem this game from being a reskinned version of a game I played 12 years ago.

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

You obviously haven't played Skyward Sword. If anything, you have played Twilight Princess and you think you played SS. But I doubt you even have a Wii. You probably just jumped on the bandwagon and hate everything that is even a bit Nintendo related.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. They don't work at all... wait what? They work almost perfectly? Hmmmm... the video is probably fake. It must me. There is no other explanation. Gamespot said so. But lets ignore the fact that they admitted being wrong and that the controls work better than any other motion control. Ignore the fact that the player doesn't know to move his arms because he lost all body coordination during playing CoD.

You can save your pretty unoriginal stamp for every other game that came out this year but didn't get ANY hate at all.

Let me quote you

All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series.

Really? Skyrim got called out for being a copy of the last game in the series? I'm not sure, but I think i read somewhere that it got the GotY award from almost every site who gives those awards. Ohh poor Skyrim. Everyone hates it for being the same as Arena just bigger. They hate it so much that that they can't stop talking how awesome awful the game is. Right?

Assassins Creed got also some rewards... hmmm... funny.Uncharted 3... yeah... that game that Yahtzee said even tho it has many flaws, he still likes it. Lets ignore for a second that it's basically Uncharted 2 without any changes beside the terrain. That Uncharted 2 is basically Uncharted 1 which is a Prince of Persia clone with guns to make the kids in puberty think they are badass.

Face it, no other game and company is hated as Zelda and Nintendo. For no obvious reason.

A game that has everything new but keeps the nice, fuzzy, warm, well-known feeling is the same as the previous, while a game that is dumbed down with every sequel and is just bigger gets the GOTY.

Without checking I'd guess that nearly all their big 1st party releases score 85+ on Metacritic.

Even Yahtzee doesn't hate them. At least no more than anything else. In fact he openly LIKES Mario Galaxy.

As for saying that he was moaning about the motion controller 4 years ago, and that he shouldn't do it now as it's getting old... Maybe he STILL thinks that it's a badly implemented control scheme?

Well, if you look at other games that get a 9 or higher from the same site, you will notice that they aren't really fair. CoD MW 3 got a 8.5 from Gamespot while Skyward Sword got a 7.5.

Main flaws of Skyward Sword - NOTHING innovative and bad controls (but they admitted later that they where wrong and still kept the lower score for bad controls, fuck logic).Positive about CoD MW 3 - guess what, they say it's fucking innovative. FUCKING CALL OF DUTY IS INNOVATIVE!!!!

A game that brought motion controls to a whole new level is not innovative while a reskined CoD is? Would you say that that is fair? That it was reasonable giving a lower score to Skyward Sword than to CoD? Gears of War 3? Uncharted 3?

I will not talk about Skyrim this time and it's score because I fucking love the game and I'm playing it now. But the other games that are praised so much don't deserve nothing above a 6 (which is still a above average game since 5 is the average)

Also Yahtzee liking just one Nintendo game doesn't prove him wrong. What was the last time that he said something positive about Nintendo? When the Wii was released? When the 3DS was released? When the DS was released (when everyone including Nintendo thought it's going to be a flop)?

He bitches how there is no improvement in games, how no one is doing anything to improve the gaming experience, to bring it on a whole new level. But when Nintendo releases something new that CAN bring the gaming experience on a whole new level, than he's a lazy ass hypocrite who can't move his arm for more than 20 seconds without needing to go to a clinic.

And look at the youtube video I posted. Tell me if that looks like a badly implemented control scheme.

I understand not liking the game, but people HATE it without even playing it. They HATE it for things that aren't true. They HATE it simply because it's a Nintendo game and they want to be cool for hating a game "for children".

I could argue with you but instead I'm just going to laugh and say that you have serious anger issues. A lot of people love Nintendo. Yahtzee loves Mario Galaxy. I hated the controls in SS. Newsflash: most gamers don't enjoy motion controls because the most immersive experience for gamers comes from instant feedback with minimum movements, not swatting at thin air. Gamers realized Virtual Reality technology was pretty lame when the Powerglove was invented. Nintendo is still making more money than any other console. Now go away and stop acting like a psychopath on the Internet. It isn't even threatening because we're countries apart.

Mxrz:I'd like to think Nintendo secretly pays all their fanatics to jump into action anytime someone criticizes Nintendo in some fashion on the internet, but the reality is just more depressing.

My sentiments exactly. This whole thread just about proves that while Nintendo fanboys can dish it out, they sure can't take it. Depressing, really. If I had a nickel every time I saw someone whinge about "Modern Warfare 2.5" I'd be very rich indeed, yet the moment someone levels the same accusation another franchise that settles with a few new graphical tweaks, new weapons (and maybe not even that), and new maps (that happens to be produced by Nintendo) they fly into a frothing rage.

This is probably because the gaming media in general have show a heavy bias towards Nintendo's competitors since the Playstation era.

When the gaming media points out flaws in Nintendo games, but blatantly ignores the same flaws in other games, it kind of trains people to become overly defensive.

Mxrz:I'd like to think Nintendo secretly pays all their fanatics to jump into action anytime someone criticizes Nintendo in some fashion on the internet, but the reality is just more depressing.

My sentiments exactly. This whole thread just about proves that while Nintendo fanboys can dish it out, they sure can't take it. Depressing, really. If I had a nickel every time I saw someone whinge about "Modern Warfare 2.5" I'd be very rich indeed, yet the moment someone levels the same accusation another franchise that settles with a few new graphical tweaks, new weapons (and maybe not even that), and new maps (that happens to be produced by Nintendo) they fly into a frothing rage.

Except Zelda wrote a whole new story and created many puzzles to go along with the new items, as well as creating a new final boss as well as new dungeon bosses. Oh, and introduced a play style focused completely around the Wii-mote instead of tacking it on like an afterthought. Then you have MW which just updated maps... maybe tweaked some stats on the guns finished out the single player I guess, because that's totally why people play it...

And why does "using the tools that are being created and perfected with technology every day to cross new frontiers in gaming and interactivity" not include Skyward Sword's revolutionary motion-control scheme?

No force feedback, (opposing force) makes motion controls stupid in my opinion. The best example I've heard is the one where you swing your sword, and your opponent blocks (Or hell... doesn't and your weapon hits their body), then your, the player's, arm is in a different place than the avatar's arm. How can something add immersion when shit like that happens?

I've never played any of these games, so I'm not really one to judge... so this is more a legitimate question, than a rhetorical one.

How is the motion control in this game any different from No More Heros, or that one Star Wars game where you waggled your stick like a sword?

Because if there is no difference other than "It's been refined to not suck as much" It's not "revolutionary motion-control".

But again... I don't play Wii games. What do I know?

As for the Zelda series as a whole... I've been disappointing with the Zelda series since I every game I've played passed OoT. Twilight Princess was a huge disappointment in my book.

Revolutionaryloser:Whoever is defending this game probably hasn't actually played it. I had to concur with nearly everything Yahtzee said. The motion controls in particular were some of the worst I've had to endure ever. I appreciate it may not take the title for "least original game ever" but it certainly isn't escaping a "pretty unoriginal" stamp. They could have given up making these bloody games. It was forgivable the first few times but now it's just ridiculous.

I don't exactly know what you are trying to prove. Pointing out that Skyward Sword is more original than "Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2/Off the Record, Arkham City, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, and even Skyrim." is just saying it's the warmest block of ice. All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series. That does not redeem this game from being a reskinned version of a game I played 12 years ago.

Wow. They changed ALL of the story. AND they changed 3 whole items from the ORIGINAL 1998 game. Fuck. That is perhaps a bit too much innovation.

You obviously haven't played Skyward Sword. If anything, you have played Twilight Princess and you think you played SS. But I doubt you even have a Wii. You probably just jumped on the bandwagon and hate everything that is even a bit Nintendo related.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. They don't work at all... wait what? They work almost perfectly? Hmmmm... the video is probably fake. It must me. There is no other explanation. Gamespot said so. But lets ignore the fact that they admitted being wrong and that the controls work better than any other motion control. Ignore the fact that the player doesn't know to move his arms because he lost all body coordination during playing CoD.

You can save your pretty unoriginal stamp for every other game that came out this year but didn't get ANY hate at all.

Let me quote you

All those games have repeatedly been called out on the fact that they are just copies of the last game in the series.

Really? Skyrim got called out for being a copy of the last game in the series? I'm not sure, but I think i read somewhere that it got the GotY award from almost every site who gives those awards. Ohh poor Skyrim. Everyone hates it for being the same as Arena just bigger. They hate it so much that that they can't stop talking how awesome awful the game is. Right?

Assassins Creed got also some rewards... hmmm... funny.Uncharted 3... yeah... that game that Yahtzee said even tho it has many flaws, he still likes it. Lets ignore for a second that it's basically Uncharted 2 without any changes beside the terrain. That Uncharted 2 is basically Uncharted 1 which is a Prince of Persia clone with guns to make the kids in puberty think they are badass.

Face it, no other game and company is hated as Zelda and Nintendo. For no obvious reason.

A game that has everything new but keeps the nice, fuzzy, warm, well-known feeling is the same as the previous, while a game that is dumbed down with every sequel and is just bigger gets the GOTY.

Without checking I'd guess that nearly all their big 1st party releases score 85+ on Metacritic.

Even Yahtzee doesn't hate them. At least no more than anything else. In fact he openly LIKES Mario Galaxy.

As for saying that he was moaning about the motion controller 4 years ago, and that he shouldn't do it now as it's getting old... Maybe he STILL thinks that it's a badly implemented control scheme?

Well, if you look at other games that get a 9 or higher from the same site, you will notice that they aren't really fair. CoD MW 3 got a 8.5 from Gamespot while Skyward Sword got a 7.5.

Main flaws of Skyward Sword - NOTHING innovative and bad controls (but they admitted later that they where wrong and still kept the lower score for bad controls, fuck logic).Positive about CoD MW 3 - guess what, they say it's fucking innovative. FUCKING CALL OF DUTY IS INNOVATIVE!!!!

A game that brought motion controls to a whole new level is not innovative while a reskined CoD is? Would you say that that is fair? That it was reasonable giving a lower score to Skyward Sword than to CoD? Gears of War 3? Uncharted 3?

I will not talk about Skyrim this time and it's score because I fucking love the game and I'm playing it now. But the other games that are praised so much don't deserve nothing above a 6 (which is still a above average game since 5 is the average)

Also Yahtzee liking just one Nintendo game doesn't prove him wrong. What was the last time that he said something positive about Nintendo? When the Wii was released? When the 3DS was released? When the DS was released (when everyone including Nintendo thought it's going to be a flop)?

He bitches how there is no improvement in games, how no one is doing anything to improve the gaming experience, to bring it on a whole new level. But when Nintendo releases something new that CAN bring the gaming experience on a whole new level, than he's a lazy ass hypocrite who can't move his arm for more than 20 seconds without needing to go to a clinic.

And look at the youtube video I posted. Tell me if that looks like a badly implemented control scheme.

I understand not liking the game, but people HATE it without even playing it. They HATE it for things that aren't true. They HATE it simply because it's a Nintendo game and they want to be cool for hating a game "for children".

I could argue with you but instead I'm just going to laugh and say that you have serious anger issues. A lot of people love Nintendo. Yahtzee loves Mario Galaxy. I hated the controls in SS. Newsflash: most gamers don't enjoy motion controls because the most immersive experience for gamers comes from instant feedback with minimum movements, not swatting at thin air. Gamers realized Virtual Reality technology was pretty lame when the Powerglove was invented. Nintendo is still making more money than any other console. Now go away and stop acting like a psychopath on the Internet. It isn't even threatening because we're countries apart.

I fail to see how responding to your irrational hatred with a rebuttal that completely and utterly proves you wrong is "anger issues."

And most gamers hat motion controls because they're afraid of anything new. They talk all the time about "innovation," but when something comes along that actually manages to change the status quo, they throw a hissy fit because it's not "real gaming." It's pure hypocrisy.

I played the game a few days ago and everything ZP said was the problems I had with the game, even the anime Zelda thing. I even went back and played a few other Zelda games just to remind myself that it's a good series. This review is really the only way to express how dissapointed I am in this game.

It also doesn't help that I was forced to watch an instructional video on how to put the Wii motion plus into the controller.

Grabbin Keelz:I played the game a few days ago and everything ZP said was the problems I had with the game, even the anime Zelda thing. I even went back and played a few other Zelda games just to remind myself that it's a good series. This review is really the only way to express how dissapointed I am in this game.

You must be brain-damaged if you think that anything Yahtzee said in the review is actually true.

Yes, I recognize that people have different opinions. Yes, I know that people might not always like the things I like, but this is Zelda, Goddammit.

YOU. DO. NOT. FUCKING. DISS. ZELDA. PERIOD.

Anyone who thinks that any non-CDi Zelda is a bad game needs to be given a swift kick in the ass with a steel-toed boot, because that is heresy.

I could argue with you but instead I'm just going to laugh and say that you have serious anger issues. A lot of people love Nintendo. Yahtzee loves Mario Galaxy. I hated the controls in SS. Newsflash: most gamers don't enjoy motion controls because the most immersive experience for gamers comes from instant feedback with minimum movements, not swatting at thin air. Gamers realized Virtual Reality technology was pretty lame when the Powerglove was invented. Nintendo is still making more money than any other console. Now go away and stop acting like a psychopath on the Internet. It isn't even threatening because we're countries apart.

I fail to see how responding to your irrational hatred with a rebuttal that completely and utterly proves you wrong is "anger issues."

And most gamers hat motion controls because they're afraid of anything new. They talk all the time about "innovation," but when something comes along that actually manages to change the status quo, they throw a hissy fit because it's not "real gaming." It's pure hypocrisy.

Stop harassing me troll. Go back to 4chan until it's less painfully obvious that you are just trying to make people rage. And next time, instead of just blurting out racism, I suggest you accuse me of genocide and child rape.

Nathan Allison:Yahtzee Croshaw, during the slow release this Christmas season, do a review of Majora's Mask.

I beg him not to. He would point out all the flaws, hate the mask mini game and so never get the Fierce Deity Mask, and call the game crap. He would also chide Nintendo for reusing the skins from OoT and point out that it is exactly like that game in almost every way, except where it isn't, which also sucks.

I could argue with you but instead I'm just going to laugh and say that you have serious anger issues. A lot of people love Nintendo. Yahtzee loves Mario Galaxy. I hated the controls in SS. Newsflash: most gamers don't enjoy motion controls because the most immersive experience for gamers comes from instant feedback with minimum movements, not swatting at thin air. Gamers realized Virtual Reality technology was pretty lame when the Powerglove was invented. Nintendo is still making more money than any other console. Now go away and stop acting like a psychopath on the Internet. It isn't even threatening because we're countries apart.

I fail to see how responding to your irrational hatred with a rebuttal that completely and utterly proves you wrong is "anger issues."

And most gamers hat motion controls because they're afraid of anything new. They talk all the time about "innovation," but when something comes along that actually manages to change the status quo, they throw a hissy fit because it's not "real gaming." It's pure hypocrisy.

Stop harassing me troll. Go back to 4chan until it's less painfully obvious that you are just trying to make people rage. And next time, instead of just blurting out racism, I suggest you accuse me of genocide and child rape.

Explain to me how I am trolling. I simply pointed out that you responded to a previous post, one that provided a strong rebuttal that held up logically, by dismissing it as "anger issues." How is that trolling?

Mxrz:I'd like to think Nintendo secretly pays all their fanatics to jump into action anytime someone criticizes Nintendo in some fashion on the internet, but the reality is just more depressing.

My sentiments exactly. This whole thread just about proves that while Nintendo fanboys can dish it out, they sure can't take it. Depressing, really. If I had a nickel every time I saw someone whinge about "Modern Warfare 2.5" I'd be very rich indeed, yet the moment someone levels the same accusation another franchise that settles with a few new graphical tweaks, new weapons (and maybe not even that), and new maps (that happens to be produced by Nintendo) they fly into a frothing rage.

Except Zelda wrote a whole new story and created many puzzles to go along with the new items, as well as creating a new final boss as well as new dungeon bosses. Oh, and introduced a play style focused completely around the Wii-mote instead of tacking it on like an afterthought. Then you have MW which just updated maps... maybe tweaked some stats on the guns finished out the single player I guess, because that's totally why people play it...

New story? New puzzles? New items? New final boss?

Yep, MW3 had all of those too. New single player campaign with 15 all new levels, plus 32 spec ops maps between survival (an all-new game mode) and missions, new weapons, new perks, new streaks, and a graphical upgrade. Not to mention everything that comes with Elite.

So, yeah... it's precisely as innovative as the new Zelda at this point. Heck, you could make a strong argument for it being more innovative. I'm not getting buttmad about the "derp herp MW2.5 (ad nauseum)" thing - if that's your opinion you're welcome to it, but it's pretty hypocritical, really - so why are you flipping out when someone says the same of Zelda?

Grabbin Keelz:I played the game a few days ago and everything ZP said was the problems I had with the game, even the anime Zelda thing. I even went back and played a few other Zelda games just to remind myself that it's a good series. This review is really the only way to express how dissapointed I am in this game.

You must be brain-damaged if you think that anything Yahtzee said in the review is actually true.

Yes, I recognize that people have different opinions. Yes, I know that people might not always like the things I like, but this is Zelda, Goddammit.

YOU. DO. NOT. FUCKING. DISS. ZELDA. PERIOD.

Anyone who thinks that any non-CDi Zelda is a bad game needs to be given a swift kick in the ass with a steel-toed boot, because that is heresy.

Nevermind then, that answers all of my questions about the dishing out and not being able to take it rather handily.

And most gamers hat motion controls because they're afraid of anything new. They talk all the time about "innovation," but when something comes along that actually manages to change the status quo, they throw a hissy fit because it's not "real gaming." It's pure hypocrisy.

I'm glad you speak for me and every other gamer. You clearly know why I like and hate things.