Posted by Johan on 17/3/2017, 9:17:28, in reply to "Re: Queen Ingrid"62.195.43.211

karl XV married Louise of the Netherlands. She was a grand Royal match and a wealthy one. Her parents were HRH prince Frederik of the Netherlands and HRH Princess Louise of Prussia. Her grandparents HM king-Grand Duke William I of the Netherlands and Luxembourg and HM Queen-Grand Duchess Wilhelmina of Prussia and HM King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia and Queen Luise of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

It tied the Bernadotte dynasty to several important European Protestant Royal dynasties.

--Previous Message-- : : : I was surprised when reading that Prince : Richard stated that his in-laws were : initially worried that he wasn't 'royal : enough'. : : That's quite surprising indeed. His mother : was certainly not a royal by birth. Samme : for Henrik (even his noble birth is : questioned). And same for the original : Bernadottes. : : Indeed, after accepting commoner Henrik for : the heiress to the crown, it's difficult to : understand why K.Frederik and Q.Ingrid would : object to the Prince of : Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, for their 2nd : daughter. : : As you well put it, the wedding of : Anne-Marie rose the bar so much that the : couple might expect another brilliant : wedding (specially after the Margreth-Henri : wedding), but Richard's ancestry was : reasonably illustrious. : : Even on his mother's side, a duke's : daughter, member of the swedish aristocracy : and a descendant from the Baden GDk family : (ok via the Douglas branch). : : Unless Q.Ingrid was so snob that she looked : down on the Fouchés d'Otranto. : : Queen Ingrid was a childhood friend of : Princess Margaretha, Richard's mother. It : seems hard to believe she would look down on : her due to her non-royal immediate : background. : : I don't think snobbery was one of the late : Queen's characteristics. : : : We don't know what was the case, just : interpreting Pr.Richard's comments. : : The fact that you are friends with someone : of a lower rank does not mean you want your : children to mingle. : Cada macaco no seu galho : Just speculating of course : : : Forgetting she was a descendant from an : obscure lieutenant of Gascogne, whose : meteorite ascension was due to a : revolutionary situation. : : King Frederik was himself the grandson of a : Bernadotte Princess. The dynasty made some : spectacular royal alliances. : : : Hmmm, not that spectacular. : : Not spectacular? A good alliance doesn't : necessarily mean marrying into a big Royal : House. With the marriage come the : connections. : : As I said. : Oscar married a minor Leuchtemberg duchess, : who happened to be the sister-in-law of the : Emperor of Brazil and the Queen of Portugal, : and sister of the Duke of Leuchtenberg : married to a Romanov GDss. : All those houses stood high above the : Leuchtenbergs. : : An alliance with a Nassau or a dutch : princess also cannot be styled as a grand : alliance. : : : So, for you what is a spectacular alliance? : Marrying the Queen of England or the Tsar of : Russia? There are/were not that many Queens : of England and Tsars of Russia available per : generation. : : Yes, as I pointed out, the zenith of the : alliances came with G-A VI who married 2 of : QV's grand-daughters. : His son married another QV descendant from a : small dethroned ducal house. : His grandson and gr.grand-daughter married : commoners. : : I also referred the ill-fated alliance : between Wilhelm and GDss Maria of Russia as : one of the swedish highlights - in terms of : spectacularity, as for the rest... : : : So, if some Portuguese King had married one : of Queen Victoria's granddaughters would you : think that it was just an "ok" : alliance? : : Read my post. : An alliance between D.Manuel and any of QV's : grand-daughters, a Connaught or even a : Battenberg (exception maybe for the Fife : girls) would be a grander alliance than the : one to the princess of : Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. : : Should D.Luis have married any of QV's : daughters or even the Habsburg princess he : was pushed for, would be a grander alliance : than the one with the the daughter of the : parvenu King of Italy, ostracized by most : european RFs for having dethroned their : relatives Habsburgs and Bourbons, not to : mentione other features. : : The Bernadottes were sort of parvenus who : had some difficulty in imposing thenselves : among other RF's. : : Oscar I could only find a Duchess of : Leuchtenberg (with lots of well connected : b-i-l), then there were queens from the : houses of Oranje, Nassau and Baden (with the : apport of the Vasa blood) and only with G-A : VI did they approach a major house. : : Even so, not with king's daughters, but : "just" nieces. : : And in future generations, the alliances : were not grander. : : Then there was Pr.Wilhelm with his ill-fated : marriage to a russian princess and only at : the back of the family line appeared the : princely couple Carl and Ingeborg, parents : of 2 queens : : One Queen and a Crown Princess. : : In the XX : century we can hardly talk about a newcomer : family. We might also be aware that with the : marriage of Gustaf V and Viktoria of Baden : their children and grandchildren - Queen : Ingrid included - are also descendants of : the previous ruling dynasty. : : Given the fact that Benedikte was never : linked to any member of a RF of a Part I of : the Gotha, her marriage can only be seen as : really prestigious and acceptable. : : In 68, the only future king : "available" (as in : "single") was Harald of Norway - : but he had that long term committment, so, : no chance : : : : Anne-Marie's most brilliant royal marriage : in 1964 may have risen the bar in such a way : that Frederik & Ingrid may have expected : the same kind of royal choice for their : elder daughters. But, AFAIK, neither : Margrethe or Benedikte were ever 'linked' to : any Prince from Part I. : : He was a member of a Gotha-II : family and in Vienna it was decided that for : marriage purposes these families were : considered 'ebenbürtig'. And also the Danish : King and Queen had already accepted Prince : Henrik who is decidedly less noble/ royal : than Prince Richard. : : : --Previous Message-- : What a lovely photo of Queen Ingrid and her : 3 : sons-in-law. : : Thanks for posting it, Stig. : : I'm curious about Prince Richard's comment : on royals staying together in a corner : during some official functions, as if he was : talking about a group of people to which he : didn't belong to. Was he talking about : members of reigning royal families or maybe : of families of part I. of the Gotha? : : Mayb HSH rest in peace and may the family : come to terms with this loss. : : --Previous Message-- : --Previous Message-- : : I was a little surprised by : the one regarding Queen Ingrid and her : dislike for Germans. Was this based solely : on the occupation of Denmark by Germany in : WWII? : : Yes. : : Was Prince Richard exaggerating : when he made the comments about Queen Ingrid : and Germans? : : Richard may have exaggerated a bit, but he : has repeated it in many interviews. He : respected and understood Queen Ingrid's : point of view because she belonged to a : generation who had experienced the war. The : two of them had a warm relationship, though. : When King Frederik and Queen Ingrid : suggested that Richard become a Danish : prince before his wedding, it was (according : to Richard) because they were worried about : the public reaction to a German son-in-law. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :