I'm actually using Sabayon. This AFAIK is pretty much a binary version of Gentoo that you still have access to portage with. I generally tend to use binaries unless I want something to be a bit quicker, customised or if I'm looking for extra security. What with Sabayon's much lower usage among users it seems ok to me to stick with Gentoo resources for support when Sabayon docs are lacking, since it's still portage based.

The thing is...
when I was using Gentoo a few years ago I remember one of my favourite things was the very wide availability of ebuilds, saving me a lot of hassle sorting dependancies for getting things installed.

But, even though I'm using the same portage I seem to be finding package after package that isn't in portage and I'm beginning to think maybe I'm missing something?

So I thought I'd try tor instead. While net-misc/tor package is available, it shouldn't be used with any of the browsers I can see in portage. It needs a patched copy of firefox such as the one with the tor browser bundle or a third party browser designed for anonymity and security such as Torora, amongst others. But none of these are in portage either which surprised me too. So then I thought I'd try building the Tor Browser:
https://code.google.com/p/torora/wiki/Source#Build_Torora:

While git failed for me over my slow connection I was able to start to download the 3-4GB (!) source for Webkit but this fails after 100% with a memory allocation error on that shell. So I gave up on that one too.

I found a few for various things I was looking for but I then ran into trouble with ebuild (package) digest failing to work through a proxy due to use of subversion. I found that maybe a -sasl USE string may fix this so I'm debating that now... though it has been advised not to do this to maintain compatibility between Gentoo and Sabayon:
http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Safely_mix_Entropy_and_Portage
That's a bummer to find out and now I wonder if I should be doing Gentoo with the more limited binary support because of this...

Searching for Gentoo vs Sabayon leads me to think there's both on the same portage. What with Sabayon's much lower usage among users it seems ok to me to stick with Gentoo resources for support when Sabayon docs are lacking.

Though offtopic I thought it might be interesting to show the make.conf that Sabayon uses:

Code:

# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example

For layman, there are times that gentoo servers refuse connections, etc. due to spam floods or just too many attempted connections at the same time.
Just retry the fetch then after it has fetched add sunrise. Layman will also cycle through the listed urls until it finds one that succeeds. Often in a case like yours it will be an http:// protocol url that works.

Also, don't be surprised this thread ends up in "Unsupported" due to your base system being Sabayon._________________Brian
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However, I was able to get http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/repositories.xml via Firefox...? Perhaps I can add that .xml file manually.... searching...._________________Sabayon is basically Gentoo with an additional binary package manager system as well - but you can't use USE flags as that breaks compatibility - watch out

I'm actually using Sabayon. This AFAIK is pretty much a binary version of Gentoo that you still have access to portage with. I generally tend to use binaries unless I want something to be a bit quicker, customised or if I'm looking for extra security. What with Sabayon's much lower usage among users it seems ok to me to stick with Gentoo resources for support when Sabayon docs are lacking, since it's still portage based.

The thing is...
when I was using Gentoo a few years ago I remember one of my favourite things was the very wide availability of ebuilds, saving me a lot of hassle sorting dependancies for getting things installed.

But, even though I'm using the same portage I seem to be finding package after package that isn't in portage and I'm beginning to think maybe I'm missing something?

sunrise svn repo has been de-activated and archived. It has moved to git some months ago.

As for the repositories.xml, a manual download is fine. Just put it somewhere and change the /etc/layman/layman.cfg to point to that file instead of the normal url. Do a fetch and it will be cached in /var/lib/layman.

Also, if you can work out why it is failing for you, I'd like to know if there is something I can improve in layman to make it work._________________Brian
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I don't want to be a downer here, but Sabayon is not exactly a binary Gentoo. Its primary package manager is not compatible with portage, so the two don't know anything about the packages installed by the other. While the Gentoo base is there, Sabayon has added another layer. This means it is mostly the same with mostly completable packages. The unfortunate thing is that this dual layering can cause problems if you install key packages from portage. You should be very careful about mixing the two.

To give you an idea about how different they are, it takes about 30 minutes to an hours of work to remove the Sabayon components and bring the system into a Gentoo configuration. This does not include the compilation time.

What I am saying here is be careful. Using portage on your core system components can have a long term detrimental long term effect. You should be OK with just user apps. I ruined a Sabayon install in about 3 months by treating it as a "binary Gentoo"._________________First things first, but not necessarily in that order.

I'm no expert in the SL package manager Entropy, but, actually, that's not entirely correct. If you use the Entropy command equo rescue spmsync ('spm' = 'source package manager') then the Entropy database is synchronised with anything installed via Portage. Also, if you install something via Entropy, have a look in the Portage world file. Also, if you install something via Entropy, do an eix-update and use eix and you'll see the packages and their details._________________Clevo W230SS: amd64, OpenRC, nvidia-drivers & xf86-video-intel.
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dol-sen: I think it was subversion needing to be built with "-sasl" (sp?) USE flag as this was causing the proxy support to fail. I was able to use it once I managed t oget hold of a full unproxied connection. I also grabbed the repository xml file manually before this. For testing I recommend trying it out on a proxy only connection. I also found git problematic but I can't remember the problems I had with that now and I think it might have just been a missing .png and .patch file in the distfile servers, not sure why those files are missing either.

I now have sunrise and pentoo overlays.

However searching for some packages show no results.

Ant P: Thanks for those Cave owner file package tips. I've found those packages now

mod: Thanks for moving

Everybody, meet Fitzcarraldo. He's a one man army on the Sabayon forums! I said I'd donate to Sabayon everytime I get help off the forums to fix something and he's made me regret it! Big respect to this guy.

emerge: searching for similar names...
emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: media-gfx/yafray, app-accessibility/yasr, dev-ruby/yard?

^ I've tried plenty other packages too so I found:

Quote:

If Portage isn't picking up the package from the overlay, that's normally because the package is marked ~arch, where "arch" is the architecture of your computer. You'll need to keyword the package

^ keyword the package I assume would be unmask it, but I can't see any of them listed in /etc/portage/package* so I guess I need to find the right catagory/package name and arch and put in unmask... but to find that I have to search online to find the right arch and catagory which makes me think I have missed a step or misunderstood.

Code:

# emerge x11-libs/qt -p

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt".

emerge: searching for similar names...
emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: x11-libs/qwt, x11-libs/vte, x11-libs/qt-svg?

^ so this is no results for stalker in any of the /etc/portage/package.* files. I presume autounmask is not relevent therefore and besides, I think I would need to know the package catagory and in theory with no search results how would I know this?

1) What confuses me is that I remember using Gentoo a few years ago and never ever finding a single package that wasn't in portage. Now I've found at least 5, but the portage in Sabayon is just the same as Gentoo. Perhaps has overlay use become more commonplace since then?

2) Why can't we see the new packages added by layman:
(tried this with other packages too)

emerge: searching for similar names...
emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: games-strategy/freecraft, net-mail/safecat, net-misc/icecast?

Although this is in the unsupported forum to my mind this is Gentoo - I want to be sure that this isn't a Gentoo problem before looking at in a Sabayon specific way_________________Sabayon is basically Gentoo with an additional binary package manager system as well - but you can't use USE flags as that breaks compatibility - watch out

1) What confuses me is that I remember using Gentoo a few years ago and never ever finding a single package that wasn't in portage. Now I've found at least 5, but the portage in Sabayon is just the same as Gentoo. Perhaps has overlay use become more commonplace since then?

[snip]

A lot of packages get dropped from the gentoo tree if they're no longer being developed upstream.

It used to be "as long as it compiles, it's included".

Folks are a lot more selective about including old software these days.

- phantom
- sstp-client & also network-manager-sstp I think. No results for emerge --search sstp at all
- grism
- sstoper
- no Tor Browser Bundle - just net-misc/tor and it's policy there now as not recommended to use on it's own - need a patched browser and I can't see one in portage - correction, I see www-client/torbrowser but I think that's a result of the pentoo overlay will have to search how to tell if that is definately so as can't see in the search result as yet, unless the line "[1] "user_defined" /usr/local/portage" is it

Almost every package I've tried to install in the last 2 months - which was why I thought something had to be wrong.

For the moment i've removed Sunrise as I want to see if I can get what I need in Pentoo first and this I expect to be mostly stable.

!!! The following installed packages are masked:
- net-im/skype-4.0.0.8-r1::gentoo (masked by: skype-4.0.0.7-copyright license(s))
A copy of the 'skype-4.0.0.7-copyright' license is located at '/usr/portage/licenses/skype-4.0.0.7-copyright'.

- games-fps/enemy-territory-2.60b::gentoo (masked by: RTCW-ETEULA license(s))
A copy of the 'RTCW-ETEULA' license is located at '/usr/portage/licenses/RTCW-ETEULA'.

- www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.2.202.251::gentoo (masked by: AdobeFlash-10.3 license(s))
A copy of the 'AdobeFlash-10.3' license is located at '/usr/portage/licenses/AdobeFlash-10.3'.

sent 4 bytes received 8 bytes 1.41 bytes/sec
total size is 0 speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1518) [Receiver=3.0.9]
No digest file available and download failed.

sent 4 bytes received 8 bytes 1.26 bytes/sec
total size is 0 speedup is 0.00
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1518) [Receiver=3.0.9]
No digest file available and download failed.

It's a common misconception but x11-libs/qt-qt3support is not QT3, it's a QT4 transitioning module used for porting QT3 projects to QT4.
You'll need to add the 'kde-sunset' overlay to get QT3 and qtstalker.

While net-misc/tor package is available, it shouldn't be used with any of the browsers I can see in portage. It needs a patched copy of firefox

That is probably wrong. As it works nice without any patch and with any browser.

To be clearer,
the tor project advise that firefox and other browsers have a number of problems that negate the use of Tor. The most heard about one was the DNS leak problem but I guess there are others?
The Tor project advice was once to use the Torbutton extension which makes the required changes for you. This later got changed to browsers specially compiled for Tor.

However, all this may have been made a mute point after the FBI apparently(?) took hold of the Silkroad servers, planted a firefox exploit and used this to locate drug dealers (along with some innocent sellers) leaking to some well publicised arrests in the UK.
A good test of the system.

I've actually moved over to Fedora now because of that problem. I don't think it was Sabayon, Layman or whatever since the packages in portage are actually the same and actually in Sabayon the packages tend to be more uniform - I didn't even adjust any USE flags.

So far Fedora seems to have more packages available. So far it's managed >7 general upgrades but hasn't gone through that dist-upgrade yet. What I may well do is put portage on it if I find myself missing Gentoo and that ability to customise and inspect code. I still like Sabayon though, it's a great project._________________Sabayon is basically Gentoo with an additional binary package manager system as well - but you can't use USE flags as that breaks compatibility - watch out

That was brilliant! First blah-blah-blah about nothing and then - I moved to... why not just: I started to take drugs because of that problem?
It has also zero relation to non existent problem, but it will be more fair. Well I'm kidding. Just can't stand reading that pearl.

N.B. I do not mean that nobody was arrested in UK or anywhere else. Every day thousands are getting arrested.
But I hear the first time, that Firefox might be a cause of that... Well even if not directly. Why not Windows? That will be more reasonable.

jago25_98 wrote:

I don't think it was Sabayon, Layman or whatever since the packages in portage are actually the same and actually in Sabayon the packages tend to be more uniform - I didn't even adjust any USE flags.

That is true. It was not Sabayon. No way. It was... you?

P.S. Here is another mistake I have found:

Quote:

Sabayon is basically Gentoo with an additional binary package manager system as well

That is wrong. Sabayon in... I forgot the language... stands for "Totally messed up". If some one really can't live without systemd he is much better served with Arch, as it's only one fault if that distro._________________Lefsha