Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Originally Posted by Moogly

I don't think anyone is going to look at this and say "I won't take the better looking and (probably) better performing 212 Evo that costs less. I'll choose this one."

The only point I can give it personally is that the 212 Evo, unless you're experienced, isn't for the faint of heart. I watched over the various tutorials on youtube multiple times and followed the provided instructions and still had a little bit of a fiddle screwing it in.

Once you know what you're doing the 212 Evo is fine, but for ease of use pushpins still win I think.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with their statement about K buyers using custom coolers too, when I built my PC with a 4670k late last year, wherever I checked the K price was on par with the non-K. Therefore I bought the K for the slight future proofing since I decided I could buy a cooler later if I wanted to overclock (I ended up buying one just for dropping my temp when handbrake encoding just recently).

That said they can't really be expected to base their pricing off of what might happen to the prices months or years down the line, so perhaps it's fair enough. Also if they're selling the cooler separate instead of choosing to cheap out on it as "just enough" to keep bundling costs down, perhaps it will end up being a worthwhile cooler. It's a tough price point to crack though.

Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

most interesting change there is in the construction method, on the older coolers (going back to the socket 775 p4) the aluminium fin section was formed from a single extruded rod of aluminium, cut into lengths.
Each length is heated to expand it, then has a copper or aluminium core pushed inside, as the aluminium section cools it contracts making a very tight seal.

This cooler is using an array of inter locking pressed aluminium sheets, in the same way most 3rd party coolers do, lots of thin sheets increase the surface area.
Although the overall mass of cooler is reduced reducing the heat capacity of the cooler, this is probably the reason for the increased size, to bring the overall mass back up.

It'll be interesting to see how this radial array of fins is connected to the core, as heat expansion isn't going to be as effective.
Off hand, my guess would be a thermal epoxy.

Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Actually I suspect this new cooler *will* likely be bundled with upcoming 1151 processors, since the previous 1150 cooler is not sufficient. The current Skylake processors at stock speeds will regularly hit 100'c and throttle when using the existing "compact" cooler; previous Haswell chips only hit around 70'c under load with the same cooler.

Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Actually I suspect this new cooler *will* likely be bundled with upcoming 1151 processors, since the previous 1150 cooler is not sufficient.

Only marginally. The TDP of nehalem CPUs was 130W and the stock cooler for it wasn't nearly as large as this thing. Hopefully this means this thing will be a lot quieter when strapped to skylake, but it's certainly not necessary. That said, there's still better for less.

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Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Originally Posted by aidanjt

Only marginally. The TDP of nehalem CPUs was 130W and the stock cooler for it wasn't nearly as large as this thing. Hopefully this means this thing will be a lot quieter when strapped to skylake, but it's certainly not necessary. That said, there's still better for less.

Is it anything to do with a more concentrated heat source? I mean, I'd have though the die cover would deal with that, but maybe the distribution of heat for 1151 requires a slightly different design to nehalem.

Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Originally Posted by DDY

I've often stuck to stock Intel coolers in my boring basic builds because I've found them to be more than adequate, in fact I quite like how quiet the fan is in terms of it's noise

They can be quiet but I dislike how they always spin up to full speed and back down again when starting up, and given the drone at full speed they're really not very nice fans.

Originally Posted by jag272

The only point I can give it personally is that the 212 Evo, unless you're experienced, isn't for the faint of heart. I watched over the various tutorials on youtube multiple times and followed the provided instructions and still had a little bit of a fiddle screwing it in.

Honestly I don't see it being any harder than any other aftermarket cooler I've installed in the last ten years, bar any on AMD's ZIF sockets that just had a metal clip. Sure the push-pins are nice but screws are the norm for non-OEM coolers so it's hardly a flaw with the 212 Evo.

Originally Posted by aidanjt

Only marginally. The TDP of nehalem CPUs was 130W and the stock cooler for it wasn't nearly as large as this thing. Hopefully this means this thing will be a lot quieter when strapped to skylake, but it's certainly not necessary. That said, there's still better for less.

It's not just the pure TDP, Nehalem was a much larger (45nm) chip. My 6700K hits the same temperatures under water at 120w as my Nehalem did at 200w.

Originally Posted by kalniel

Is it anything to do with a more concentrated heat source? I mean, I'd have though the die cover would deal with that, but maybe the distribution of heat for 1151 requires a slightly different design to nehalem.

Correct, plus let's not forget the move from a soldered IHS to what is claimed to utterly horrific pastey-TIM on Skylake chips.

Hell, I could run 300w through my 6-year-old Nehalem i7 for short periods whereas anything more than 130w on the 6700k = 100'c or insta-crash. On a side note, my Nehalem i7 920 actually had lower stock voltages than my i7 6700K

Re: Intel TS15A LGA1151 is twice the size of the retail LGA1150 cooler

Originally Posted by jag272

The only point I can give it personally is that the 212 Evo, unless you're experienced, isn't for the faint of heart. I watched over the various tutorials on youtube multiple times and followed the provided instructions and still had a little bit of a fiddle screwing it in.

Once you know what you're doing the 212 Evo is fine, but for ease of use pushpins still win I think.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with their statement about K buyers using custom coolers too, when I built my PC with a 4670k late last year, wherever I checked the K price was on par with the non-K. Therefore I bought the K for the slight future proofing since I decided I could buy a cooler later if I wanted to overclock (I ended up buying one just for dropping my temp when handbrake encoding just recently).

That said they can't really be expected to base their pricing off of what might happen to the prices months or years down the line, so perhaps it's fair enough. Also if they're selling the cooler separate instead of choosing to cheap out on it as "just enough" to keep bundling costs down, perhaps it will end up being a worthwhile cooler. It's a tough price point to crack though.

Yes it is a PITA to install but once there it is trouble free, QUIET and does it's job splendidly. I've been using the coolermaster series on all my units.