I actually still try to read what he writes, but the moment he adds "and but also" I immediately stop because it sounds so obnoxiously pompous. Even if I agreed with every word he says (which I cannot imagine ever happening) his incessant desire to shove this image of himself down your throat is inexcusable. Presentation is key jackass.

_________________“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

I'd take a dozen shows with sound quality equal to Joe's Menage any day of the week for any Road Tapes release. Something can be said about different sounding shows - some have unique sounding snares - or odd sounding mixes... I guess years of wildly different shows from audience sources gives me the excitement.

I actually still try to read what he writes, but the moment he adds "and but also" I immediately stop because it sounds so obnoxiously pompous. Even if I agreed with every word he says (which I cannot imagine ever happening) his incessant desire to shove this image of himself down your throat is inexcusable. Presentation is key jackass.

That's about what I do.

_________________This is the exciting part. This is like The Supremes, see the way it builds up...

I'd take a dozen shows with sound quality equal to Joe's Menage any day of the week for any Road Tapes release. Something can be said about different sounding shows - some have unique sounding snares - or odd sounding mixes... I guess years of wildly different shows from audience sources gives me the excitement.

Funny that you should bring up Frank Zappa Joe's Menage. As you may very well be aware, FZ produced a cassette tape for a fan. A selection of songs from Frank Zappa's concert at the College of William and Mary in Novemeber in 1975. Honestly I don't know the full show setlist that evening but, I tend to think the concept of that edition of the Corsaga, is just more what it is, than thinking of some red wine Full show, with Jimmy Buffet as the opening band included in a larger scaled project. Certainly the context of my commentary here shows there are projects such as FZ & The Mothers Of Invention Carnegie Hall are slated for deluxe treatment.

As a fan I look at the diversity of projects that the ZFT are putting out. Some certainly have been in-the-can projects that FZ had completed, some have been projects based on build-reels FZ completed, some are 40tieth anniversary audio documentaries, the Anything Anytime Anywhere For No Reason At All series is a way of celebrating FZs birthday, in those bundles we get to hear a wide variety of artists performing Frank Zappa's music or their own work, as we can see works by Warren Cuccurullo & Captain Beefheart are two examples of other artists that the ZFT are getting out there, I think we can expect to see several more artists released on a Zappa family label. A Joe Travers record can not come fast enough.

There is lots of new material to look forward to. Road Tapes certainly gets unique shows that traders little AUD fingers do not have their hands on. It's a shame it's bootlegged faster than fans are ordering the CDs. For those of us who invest in Road Tapes, it's another fine example of spreading Good Will towards the diversity of the worlds finest optional entertainment.

_________________Trendmonger's Moment Of Clarity

FZ "Read It And Weep"
April 17,1981

Frank Zappa left the ZFT in Control of his Vaults and Artistic rights.
We the fans are not in control. We have a choice to use our eyes and ears or read it and weep.

I listened to it on the tubes and realized how fucking sweet that thing was and ordered it straight away. More people would risk buying the over priced products from ZFT if they knew what was on them and had a little preview.

It should be emphasised that hardcore fans, esp. the ones that are set on owning every single release (and some in multiple formats) are going to buy it all. For some others, who maintain that FZ had his golden eras and then his nadirs, it's an entirely different matter. Have I understood NP's position correctly? I for one have not wasted a single cent on '84 band and I never intend to. However, I have ordered RTV2 (which is still to come) and I do feel it has been money spent well.

_________________Lies are like quicksand, soft and comfortable, but they will swallow us. Truth is like bedrock, hard and uncomfortable, but we can always stand on it

I'd take a dozen shows with sound quality equal to Joe's Menage any day of the week for any Road Tapes release. Something can be said about different sounding shows - some have unique sounding snares - or odd sounding mixes... I guess years of wildly different shows from audience sources gives me the excitement.

I vote yes on this; listening to all arrays of concert tapes over the years, I would take anything they dish out that has been professionally cleaned up.

It should be emphasised that hardcore fans, esp. the ones that are set on owning every single release (and some in multiple formats) are going to buy it all. For some others, who maintain that FZ had his golden eras and then his nadirs, it's an entirely different matter. Have I understood NP's position correctly? I for one have not wasted a single cent on '84 band and I never intend to. However, I have ordered RTV2 (which is still to come) and I do feel it has been money spent well.

Basically yes. If ZFT released an album by Zappa and gave no warning to its content, you buy it and it is just the stuff that didn't make it onto Francesco I would suggest some people wouldn't be too happy. I am not interested in that so I wouldn't buy it. Meaning I wouldn't buy an album I have no clue about. This is why previews and track listings are important. Not just an 'amusing' little write up.

Imagine if they released a live gig, no preview, no fuckin' song info and it turned out to be the 84 band playing Tiny Lites and He's So Gay yet again and again. You wouldn't be happy.

Trendy my sound system play very well even its riped into my pc. Before seling my Simaudio Moon Equinox CD player that worth 2.5k i did some tests between it and the pc, the difference do not worth 2.5k$. What left of my system still worth $7k the pc is hooked to the system by a $400 cable and the speakers with 1k cables. I tried to understand what is a DAC i still dont know, anyway i sold all my cds 3 years a go. I bought so far only Hot rats in the new 2012 remastered.

It's no use pretending that some of the live release decisions won't naturally alienate anyone and the only ones complaining are merely manipulative bastards. I clearly remember how the "Australian Yellow Snow" edit on "One Shot Deal" seemed like a slap in the face for a few forum members.

_________________Lies are like quicksand, soft and comfortable, but they will swallow us. Truth is like bedrock, hard and uncomfortable, but we can always stand on it

Why? The musical sections of the '73 YS suite known as "Rollo Interior", "Father O'Blivion" and "St Alfonzo's" hyper-fast rendition were rather conspicuous in their absence. Some didn't like this edit.

_________________Lies are like quicksand, soft and comfortable, but they will swallow us. Truth is like bedrock, hard and uncomfortable, but we can always stand on it

Imagine if they released a live gig, no preview, no fuckin' song info and it turned out to be the 84 band playing Tiny Lites and He's So Gay yet again and again. You wouldn't be happy.

For all of their releases there has been info beforehand about what band is involved.

100% accurate. these guys just keep making up shit so they can keep complaining about something. shut up already.

Well, maybe 99%: I don't recall any info re. Finer Moments, and there was some debate about whether Ian Underwood was on RTV2. Most pre-release info does seem to be fan gleaned. But I have no complaints. Keep 'em coming.

As I recall One Shot Deal had the least preliminary info but even on that there were some hints (and, of course, people who don't like surprises can just not preorder).

The Ian/RTV2 issue came about because of a contemporary article saying he wasn't there, but some wise person (Charles Ulrich, I think) eventually determined that the article referred to the soundcheck, not the show(s).

(Looking back it seems Ed Organus Maximus noticed that and Charles reported it at Zappateers.)

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