[QUOTE=Whisperingal;991416]River says--\"Israel consists of about 13-14 million people in the whole world about half living in the US"

there are SEVEN million Israeli citizens living in the US?

Why?

"Why can't the Arabs and or Muslims leave the Israelis alone?"

Why did Israel STEAL a country and displace an entire people to make a "homeland"?

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It was clear the earlier poster meant 13-14 Million Jews worldwide and less than 1/2 of world Jewry living in Israel.

Israel did not steal any land from anyone. Jews never entirely left the Middle East and have been in the area we now call Israel and Palestinian continually since the time of Abraham which was 4100 years ago.

In the late 1800's, Jews from Europe, especially Eastern Europe, began to move to Israel and purchase land from absentee Arab land owners, many of whom lived in what we now call Syria. At that time, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank were arid deserts and basically uninhabited. There are the journals of many English and other travelers from the late 1800's that describe the desolate isolation of this area prior to the Jews' returning and purchasing the land.

After the Jews built the infrastructure of water and roads and later electricity, Arab laborers became to migrate to the area as it was now inhabitable. After the Jews made the '"desert bloom," many Arabs had misgivings that their fathers and grandfathers had sold the land to the Jews and decided to ignore the sales and claim that their land was being occupiedIt was clear the earlier poster meant 13-14 Million Jews worldwide and less than 1/2 Jews living in Israel.

Israel did not steal any land from anyone. Jews never entirely left the Middle East and have been in the area we now call Israel and Palestinian continually since th time of Abraham which was 4100 years ago.

In he late 1800's Jews from Europe, especially Eastern Europe, began to move to Israel and purchase land from absentee Arab land owners, many of who lived in what we now call Syria. At that time, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was an arid desert basically uninhabited. There are the journals of many English and other travelers from the late 1800's that describe the desolate isolation of this area prior to the Jews returning and purchasing the land.

After the Jews built the infrastructure of water and roads and later electricity, Arab laborers became to migrate to the area as it was now inhabitable. After the Jews made the '"desert bloom," many Arabs had misgivings that their fathers and grandfathers had sold the land to the Jews and decided to ignore the sales and claim that their land was being occupied It was clear the earlier poster meant 13-14 Million Jews worldwide and less than 1/2 Jews living in Israel.

Israel did not steal any land from anyone. Jews never entirely left the Middle East and have been in the area we now call Israel and Palestinian continually since the time of Abraham which was 4100 years ago.

In the late 1800's Jews from Europe, especially Eastern Europe, began to move to Israel and purchase land from absentee Arab land owners, many of who lived in what we now call Syria. At that time, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was an arid desert basically uninhabited. There are the journals of many English and other travelers from the late 1800's that describe the desolate isolation of this area prior to the Jews returning and purchasing the land.

After the Jews built the infrastructure of water and roads and later electricity, Arab laborers became to migrate to the area as it was now inhabitable. After the Jews made the '"desert bloom," many Arabs had misgivings that their fathers and grandfathers had sold the land to the Jews and decided to ignore the sales and claim that their land was being occupied. The Arab claims were basic on some ethnic identity claims an d not on the claim that anyone in their families had actually owned any piece of land. Of course, the idea that I could return to my grandfather's farm in Connecticut and eject the present days owners is an insane claim.

The area known as Palestine Mandate is mostly inside modern Jordan. In 1948, the UN divided the remaining lands between the Jordan River and the sea between the Jews and the Arabs living in that area. The Arabs refused the UN partition and adopted the policy that only the death of all Jews was accepted and that they would not tolerate one inch of land to be a Jewish state. Thus, all the Arabs stated attacked Israel in 1948, but Israel won the war. Because Egypt and Jordan controlled the areas called Palestine. Thus, after 1949, Palestine did not exist. It never came into being and the Arab portions of the UN Partition were sezied by Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (West Bank)

In 1950 Jordan officially annexed eastern Jerusalem and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria). No Arab made any attempt to establish an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank or Gaza after Jordan’s annexation.

In 1967, the Arab states again attacked Israel and Gaza went from being Egyptian to being controlled by Israel and the West Bank went from Jordan to being controlled by Israel. Only after Egyptian and Jordanian occupations of these areas had been ended by Israel’s success in the Six Day War, did the Arabs start to refer to them as Palestine and complain about occupation. At the same time, Israel took the entire Sinai Peninsula which it returned to Egypt a few year later.

Thus, never in recorded history has there been a nation called Palestine. Had the Arabs not rejected the UN 1947 Partition, there would have come into existence a State of Palestine, but the Arabs rejected the division and thereby lost all claim to a separate country. Despite the Arab’s forfeiting all legal rights to these areas, Israel agrees that a Palestinian state may be established in Gaza and on the West Bank provided it recognize Israel’s right to exist and cease its terrorism against Israelis. Hamas rejects Israel’s right to exist. Hamas’s charter calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.

Hamas and Hezbollah are now controlled by Iran, and Iran’s goal transcends the destruction of Israel but also is aimed at domination of the Arab world. (Iranians are not Arabs). George Bush’s fiasco in Iraq has greatly strengthened the power and prestige of Iran’s religious fanatics, and Iran now poses a real threat to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and all the Gulf States. Due to its nuclear program, Iran is a threat to the United States -- not because it is likely to send missiles to New York City, but because it can control the Middle East oil market through threats and intimidation.

Presently, Israel is protecting the United States. If Israel reduces Hamas power in Gaza, then Iran’s influence will decrease. If Israel departs from Gaza before greatly diminishing Hamas’ power, then Iran’s power will greatly increase, and the world become more dangerous for the United States. Things are going quite poorly in Afghanistan, and Pakistan is unstable. The stronger the Hamas apologists make Iran, the more likely Pakistan will fall to the religious fanatics and we will lose all our supply lines into Afghanistan and we will lose in Afghanistan. That will give Al Qaeda and other Islamofascists from China to Iraq for a totally safe haven.

Yes you are quite right, Israel is protecting and is indeed a stwart ally of the United States. The US government, most of its Governors have come out in support of Israel right now. The US United Nations delegation has rejected a UN resolution for an immediate cease-fire...to give Israel time to destroy HAMAS.

Some of the participants here are more less an anomoly. A miniscule yet loud minority that cries for the blood of Israeli s and Jews...in the name of G-d.

The western world, the civilized world is at war with Islam. In Mark Styen's book America Alone it is quite clear Europe is lost and America and Israel the hope of the western world.

The less informed participants can howl, but IDF armour is rolling and the HAMAS leadership is well on the way to extermination. The balance of power is shifting and that in and of itself....is good.

Although the above posters are correct about there not being any such nation as Palestine and the Jews stole nothing, these anti-Semites do not care about facts. They certainly do not care about people living in Gaza. The posters who invent anti-Israel material and post it here might as well as proclaim Charles Manson as a victim of a Jewish conspiracy.

There is no significant difference between Charles Manson's mentality and Hamas. Manson also thought he could start a race war by murdering innocent people. The significant difference between Charles Manson and Hamas is the populations within which they lived. We recognize Manson and his family as psychopathic murderers, but many Palestinians share in the collective psychotic delusion that the Israelis are oppressing them. If an American wants to know how a member of Hamas thinks, he/she can read Helter Skelter and see how Charles Manson thinks.

One can look on You Tube for the video showing Hamas murdering about 30 members of Fatah by shooting them in the back while face down on the ground.

Sherri, I think you're simply projecting the hatred you feel for us Jews upon 'Zionists' and 'Israelis'.

Meanwhile you're pretending that "I don't hate anyone, not even the murdering Zionists" - but you dehumaize and demonize Israelis and non-Hamas supportters with your every post. And what is your failure to see Zionists (ie JEWS) as human beings, BUT your hate?

It's be a whole lot healthier for us all to recognize that normal human being s soemtimes hate, and even hate in a blind unreasoning fashion. - that is after akll what prejudice and bigotry is. CAUSELESS HATRED.

You hate, but don't acknowledge it - so you INVENT 'causes'. I've noticed you haven't said one word against Hamas for violating Geneva conventions by placing rocket launchers next to schools, etc. Why the double standard?

Why do you give Hamas a 'pass' on their seeking out children and mentally compromised ('retarded' or 'mentally ill') individuals to blow themselves up ? Surely you know those poor folks can't actually give 'informed consent' to lose their lives while being turned into mass murderers by Hamas? So where's your outrage at THOSE human rights violations - by Hamas against innocent Palestinian people?

Why is it only a problem that Palestinians die when it's "Israelis" who kill them? What DO you have to say about Hamas betraying the trust of the Gazans ?

Sure there are - we just haven't chosen to exercise our right to become Israeli citizens because we are Americans FIRST. Most of us have no intention of being anything else - just as most Americans of German descent don't contemplate returning to their fatherland to live etc, etc. But there's lots of visiting back and forth. I know many many people who essentially live in two cultures - and hardly all of them are Jews.

Seriously?? Wow, how can you say that the Israeli think that Arabs are expendable? They are fighting for their lives, homes, and very existence. The Arabs have hated the Israelis for like ever, and Arabs being Arabs will kill everyone that is non-Arab. And what annoys me the most about this subject is how most of you people lay the blame on the Israelis, like they just started massacring civilians by the cart load for no good reason, and that is just nonsense.

They've been fighting for their very right to live for centuries, and if any of you don't like what they are doing to preserve their existence in this world then here's a thought, turn your T.V.s off, if nothing else then for the simple fact that the reporters are only reporting the news they want you to know.