Paul Baumer:One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness. It's a shame we have to wait for that.

You know that there would be people who would respond to this by saying that all the children should be armed too, in order to protect themselves in just such a situation. They will do so without a hint of irony in their voices.

Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

Adalius:Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

Carn:You know that there would be people who would respond to this by saying that all the children should be armed too, in order to protect themselves in just such a situation. They will do so without a hint of irony in their voices.

Some of them seriously recommended that husky 12-year-olds throw themselves at gunmen to stop school massacres. I'm shocked these people are able to get out of the house without walking repeatedly into the doorframe.

Paul Baumer:One day, soon, a child is going to get seriously wounded or more likely killed by a school employee carrying a gun and that will put an end to this foolishness. It's a shame we have to wait for that.

More likely is someone using bad judgment or simply spacing out (if those aren't the same thing) and leaving a gun where it is accessible to students. Cops do that sometimes. Parents seem to do it often. If teachers can bring guns to school, it's just a matter of time.

Ah, so they were being TRAINED on firearms use, in a class full of adults.

So what you're telling me that someone paid good money to be taught how to not completely fark this up, and it STILL went wrong?

Some jackass brought a loaded gun to school, the teacher said "We can't have loaded guns in here", jackass says "Its not loaded, see?" and pulls trigger. - This is why MOST safety courses don't actually allow guns to be brought to class.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:"Mechanical malfunction"?Sounds like someone's trying to blame the gun.

Well, given that it's an instructor that assumably does this thousands of time in a given year, I'd give slightly more credence to it being an actual malfunction instead of negligence. And it's a ricochet that got 'em, so at least the gun was pointed in a safe direction.

That said, why was the instructor fiddling with a loaded gun in the classroom? I know my CCP teacher was armed during the lecture segment, but it stayed in its holster where it's supposed to be until we were actually out on the range doing the practical qualifier. I'm somewhat skeptical of a teacher that's doing something that could set off a mechanical failure while they're in a building with other people, I don't even clean my pistol unless I know where my roommate is and have never removed it from its carrier outside of my house and the range.

Oh, and "a mechanical malfunction with his weapon caused his gun to misfire" sounds a hell of a lot like "the gun went off while I was cleaning it" which is universally interpreted as "I was doing something stupid".

Adalius:Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

I'm confused. Do we make kids aged 4-18 hang out at shooting ranges for 30 hours a week?

Adalius:Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

are you seriously equating getting hit in the face with a ball to being shot?

Adalius:Subby is a bit misleading. Sure makes it sound like it happened in a school but then it says "it was unclear whether it was held on school grounds."

Accidents happen at shooting ranges too, should we shut them all down and ban them all so the only people left with guns are untrained and prone to more accidents? While we're at it, lets close down phy ed classes in schools because get bloody noses during dodgeball on occasion.

No, of course not. Don't be silly. We should fill shooting ranges with children.

And THIS is exactly why the "ARM THE TEACHING/MAINTENANCE STAFF!!!" is so freaking retarded!

These people are not cops. They are not soldiers. They are not trained security guards. They are average schlubs. Add to that even with trained personnel the more firearms that are around the more likely it is there will be an accidental discharge. Classrooms and school hallways have a high concentration of people in them at any given point in time. You have an accidental discharge in that type of environment it is very likely someone is going to get hurt.

The moral of the story is... your "solutions" are more problematic than anything, NRA/gun weirdos. You're gonna end up killing your own damned kids.

Obvious post is obvious... but apparently not enough because the whargarblers will STILL find a way to try and justify cramming the schools with guns.