Why the disparity is 3DMark05? The 3dmark06 scores makes me think the 9500 is the cheaper bet!!! Regardless, the $650 + pricetag on the Intel is out there! Don't get me wrong...both systems make me really happy!!!

welll, why rank a oc'd chip to a non oc'd chip? oc em both or none at all.

You simply can't get the 9500 over 2.31ghz so there is really no point. Tbhe Black box 9600 is the overclocker. The point is that the AMD phenom is the start of something really good for AMD! It is a great chip in my book as is the Q6700 althoough outrageously expensive!

You simply can't get the 9500 over 2.31ghz so there is really no point. Tbhe Black box 9600 is the overclocker. The point is that the AMD phenom is the start of something really good for AMD! It is a great chip in my book as is the Q6700 althoough outrageously expensive!

Then compare the 9600 @ 2.4 and the q6600 @ 2.4ghz, the comparison you are making makes no sense. Its like comparing a ford mustang and a dodge viper.

Makes sense to me. Big reason to buy a intel quad over amd quad is for overclocking ability.

I'll make it more easily understood...sheesh......the point is that I get no phenominal advantage with the Q6700 when it comes to everyday users not benchers. The point is to show that the AMD chip with all the other components being similar it a great chip! The post wasn't intended to be a horse race. Some of you need to start thinking outside of the box IMO.