Friday, April 15, 2011

Wii successor details, to be announced within two weeks

A Wii successor will be announced within the next two weeks and properly unveiled at E3, according to rumours from various reliable sources. If all details are to be believed, the console will be capable of 1080p output, feature an all-new controller with a built-in screen and be backwards compatible. It is apparently slated for a late 2012 launch.

Here are all the sources. Game Informer started off the round of rumours.

The company will unveil it at E3 this summer if not sooner.We have confirmed with multiple sources that this new home system is capable of running games at HD resolutions. There are conflicting reports, however, as to whether its graphics will be comparable to those on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – meaning it could surpass or fall short of those systems. (...)

Nintendo is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interested and allow them plenty of time to start developing titles in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 launch.

What's most exciting about the Wii successor however is its all-new controller, which industry sources have indicated is not simply an upgraded Wii Remote, and will even feature a built-in HD screen.

Our sources did not specify whether or not the controller displays will feature any other functionality, such as that of the DS's touch screen, but it's easy to imagine the sort of innovation an extra screen could bring to Wii 2 games.

"The hardware is even more powerful than current HD consoles and backwards compatible with Wii. The controller will be all-new and has a HD screen on it."

We're told Nintendo plans to launch the Wii successor in late 2012

Kotaku and IGN then heard that, indeed, the system will be more powerful than the current competitors (which in my mind is a given, anyway. Even the Wii is more powerful than PlayStation2 and the original Xbox by most standards). IGN also added more details.

Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and that Nintendo's intent is to recapture the hardcore market. Another source said it is capable of 1080p resolutions.

Nintendo is reportedly showing the console to publishers to garner interest for a late 2012 launch.

Additional sources tell IGN that Nintendo will release a pre-announcement this month with a full reveal expected at E3 and that the console will be backwards compatible with current Wii software.

Now, I believe that a separate screen integrated into the controller would be the biggest news here, if true. As mentioned above, Nintendo had this idea before and it is obvious that the company strongly believes in 3D technology while not believing in glasses. So the built-in screen might not be an extra screen, as CVG interpretes. It might be a proprietary solution for stereoscopic visuals. What such a controller might look like is another question. I am badly trying to get the image of the Nintendo On out of my mind...

EDIT Now, British gaming magazine EDGE has weighed in on the debate. These comments seem to undercut any speculation about stereoscopic 3D.

Ubisoft, Activision and Electronic Arts have had development units of the new hardware for months. They have also claimed that the system retains motion control, with capabilities that are “better than Move”, meaning that they boast higher fidelity. We do not yet have word on whether or not its motion-controlled solution introduces a camera.

EDIT According to even more rumours by Blu-ray.com, Nintendo will include a Blu-ray drive in the Wii successor.

Sources have revealed to Blu-ray.com that Nintendo are looking at including Blu-ray as the main optical drive. This would be a natural progression from the Wii which uses DVD, but it isn't clear if Nintendo would enable BD movie playback on the new console or whether they would just use it for data as they do with DVD on the Wii. This new device could be the internal successor to theBlu-ray enabled Wiithat was rumored for release in 2010.

EDIT There is another crazy rumour relating to Nintendo's next home console. According to the French gaming news site who confirmed the above rumours and added the codename Project Café to it (this time translated by my good friend over at GoNintendo), Rockstar (´Grand Theft Auto´, ´Red Dead Redemption´) is already in possession of development kits. Also, they are said to be working on GTA V for the console, which may even make it for launch. The launch is still slated for late 2012 with June a possibility for Japan. At E3, we should expect tech demos and some games.

I have not yet reported about the details added by the French site, because I have not yet found the time to confirm whether they really did blow the lid off the hardware specs of Sony's Next Generation Portable (NGP), as it is claimed. They also added nothing new, apart from the codename Project Café, which sounds unusual for a Nintendo codename (compared to previous ones like Dolphin, Nitro, Revolution or Project Reality). I will look into it as soon as I can.

EDIT Whoa, this post just keeps growing, eh? Now, Kotaku is adding more detail, noting that they have heard that the Wii successor will be compatible with Wii remotes, as well as with that new touchscreen controller.

Nintendo intends for many games on its new console to be controlled with the same kind of arm-swinging and controller tilting made capable by the Wii Remote. Think of it this way, hypothetically speaking: a new Wii Sports could use the Remote; a new Zelda could use the screen-based twin-stick controller. (...)

The 6.2-inch screen will receive data wirelessly from the Nintendo console and presents an array of options, from putting the player's inventory or map on the controller screen, to allowing players to combine it with the controller's camera to snap photos that could be imported into a game or even turning it into some sort of glorified viewfinder (we're unclear about whether the camera on the controller points at the player or can be outward-facing; we've heard both — maybe it swivels?).

The controller screen could even run a separate app. Consider a bad co-op idea from us as an example, though not a recommendation: one player zips through mini-games that run on the screen-controller. Succeeding in each keeps the player using the Wii Remote alive — in a game running on the TV in the same room. (...)

In fact, you could think of the new Nintendo console as turning your living room into a glorified mega-DS.... your TV is the upper-screen; your controller is the lower touchscreen.

Also, I have been wrong above, noting that French site 01net added no more than the alleged codename Project Café. They also detailed system specs:

multi-core IBM PowerPC CPU

ATI R700 series GPU

at least 512MB RAM

And a recent Fudzilla article backs those claims up, as well as adding plenty more detail.

From the whispers we hear, we expect the new Wii2 to be powered by an IBM Tri-core PowerPC CPU that we expect to be clocked at the same speed or slightly higher than the CPU in the Xbox 360. The GPU will be again powered by AMD and sourced from the ATI R700 family, featuring a shader unit version 4.1 support; and we expect GPU to have access to 512MB of RAM. (...)

Depending on the exact clock speeds, we suspect that the Wii2 will have performance that is close to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 or maybe slightly better, but that is hard to say. We are expecting the use of 32nm and 40nm chips for Wii2. Despite a lot of talk about the possibility of the Wii2 using AMD’s Fusion technology, our sources tell us that it isn’t happening because it is simply just too expensive at this point.

The biggest question is storage, and that does not seem to be one that is going to be easy to answer. Sources say that Nintendo is at least resistant to adding a hard drive and we prefer to stick with flash memory. (...) Expect no change on the disc front. It will continue to use DVD-ROM drive and we are told there is no chance that the Wii2 will offer Blu-ray support. (...)

We are also told that it will arrive next year, but a release is more likely for April than March of 2012. From the latest that we are hearing, we don’t expect any new console from Microsoft or Sony before 2014; so Nintendo will be on their own with a console that is said to be not much more than equal to or better than the current generation offerings from Microsoft and Sony. Still, as one of our shadow dwellers said, it is still much better than what they have to work with today, which could lead to some very interesting releases from Nintendo for the platform.

EDIT Right, this is getting ridiculous. IGN has added Stream as a potential final name for the system which may sell for up tp $400. They also confirm the system specs noted above and add further details regarding size and manufacturing. The first retail units will apparently leave the manufacturing plants in six months already. Nintendo may want to stock up on inventory before selling them, though, which will also affect the price.

Most intriguing is the assertion that the system will offer stereoscopic 3D at least as an option, although no details are given as to how this may be achieved technically. We all know that Nintendo does not believe in glasses. So the additional screen may be a proprietary 3D screen, after all.

According to sources with knowledge of the project, Nintendo's next console could have a retail price of anywhere between $350 and $400 based on manufacturing costs, and will ship from Taiwanese manufacturer, Foxconn, this October, putting the earliest possible retail release anywhere between mid-October and early November.

However, Nintendo could also opt to build up a sizable supply of the system and allocate more time for software and games development by launching in early 2012. Similarly, Nintendo could attempt to lower the retail price of the system with lower profit margins to make the price more alluring. Since the manufacturing is taking place in Taiwan, the earthquakes and tsunami that hit Japan last month will not impact the console hardware as previously expected. (...)

The system will support 1080p output with the potential for stereoscopic 3D as well, though it has not been determined whether that will be a staple feature. In terms of the design of the console itself, the overall size will be comparable to that of the original Xbox 360 and the system is likely to resemble a modernized version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES). (...)

Finally, Nintendo is considering naming the console Stream, though it is potentially one of several names currently being vetted by the company.

The potential name Stream betrays what Nintendo sees as the central feature of the console, streaming content to the proprietary screen on the controllers. Alongside the option of 3D visuals, the controller in question may not be a controller as much as a central display unit which is simply detached from the console which does all the work. You may hide the console similarly to a subwoofer in a loudspeaker setup whereas the central display unit may become the focus point of the gaming experience. I am thinking of a similar setup to the imaginary technology shown in a 2007 Ubisoft trailer.

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There is no way that Nintendo's next console will surpass the 360 or the PS3. Nintendo is all about repackaging and reselling of old tech like its new. So I think that when it comes to the graphical power of their new system it will be on par with the 360 and less likely the PS3.

Not true. The Gamecube was definitely more powerful than the PS2, albeit less powerful than the original XBox. The N64 was more powerful than the PS1. It's only been this last generation that they didn't try to boost the power of the console significantly. The 3DS is a major jump in power over the original DS.

They've taken a lot of heat for the horsepower of the Wii. I think it's completely plausible that they learned from that and will push out better hardware to stay relevant after Sony and MS eventually launch their new consoles.

I am very glad to know that the new Wii2 launching in 2012. I think this new gaming console will be available for everyone who wants to play games regularly (game lovers) this new gaming console will attract most of the people allover the world.

So here we go again Falafelkid. If you you remember, we got into a big argument 5-6 years ago whether the rumors of the Revolution were true (VR headset, something you've never imagined, etc.) You got the upper hand and now I bow down to your journalism. We'll see how things go now.

I cant stop thinking about how a 6" display can be connected to a motion controller so it makes any sense.

The idea that nintendo could drop motion controls is unrealistic i think. It was THE selling point for the wii and made every other console get motions controls.

An interesting detail: a 6" screen with an aspect ration of 16:9 gives you a screen which is EXACTLY as wide as the the wiimote is long. If the shape of the wiimote is changed slighty to fit the buttons more in a GC style with an analog stick, you could attach a screen to the wiimote holding it sideways.

When the screen is not attached it could be great for family and turn based multiplayer games (i think theres going to be one screen packed with the console). Or maybe second player interaction (rally game with copilot-instructions on display PLEASE!).

Now thats my part for the wild speculations based on almost no real infos :)

historical fact follows all inclusive of nintendo except the mouse hardcores are about to get spanked hard like the cry babys they are!!!!!!!!!

wen point and click operating systems started to show amiga work bench apple os etc pc hardcore fans went shit mental calling this casual computing it should not be allowed and ALL PEOPLE should be forced to learn programming and dos operation how dare NORMAL EVER DA FOLKS be allowed to use computers A HARDCORE PC FAN MELT DOWN HAPPENED (LOOK FAMILIAR TO WII MENT DOWNS ANYONE)

WEN THE MOUSE WAS INTRODUCED TO COMPUTERS hard core pc fans again melted down and went freak crazy saying a easy pc interface were you point and click was a inslt to pc dos experts and home pc fans who took time to learn the hardcore industr was of compuuter operation and allowing the common man on board was a insult to them and the mouse would never ever catch on THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT !!!

wen nintendo innovated a D-PAD the pc computer geek community went fuuuking mental calling it a insult to the pc computer joystick and a casual control for stupid people and it would never catch on the d-pad in its day was hated like the wii remote and the mouse was hardcores again showing there mental health issues....

N64 NINTENDO the analog stick was revealed and again the hardcores of the day went shit fest crazy calling it a joke and a casual way to play and totally unnecessary and it wold never catch on both son and sega fans said this

only for saturn to get a analog pad for nights into dreams and son to re design the ps1 pad AGAIN HISTORICAL FACT !!!!!!

can the hardcores walk awa from gaming and never return because your RETARDATION is toooo much for GAMERS to handle

ironic FACT all the above innovations are now defended by HARDCORES

you couldn't make it up could you

BUT ITS ALL TRUE andrew uu the hat fits were said hat its pointy and has a capital D on the front please place on head goto courner of room face wall place finger over closed lips and juust stay there forever

isn't it funny every gaming control nintendo bring forth to the world is called casual and dumb then embraced by hardcores as there own all nintendos involvement dis credited and sony and everyone else get all the credit and nintendo is always DOOMED................

isn't it funny all hardcores agreed in forums last gen that two analog sticks wasn't a core FPS controller and a mouse was in deed a core controller as soon as wii was born with a mouse pointer it was hailed as casual and two analog sticks hailed as a CORE fps control system......

I don't recall anyone ever knocking the rumble pack for the n64 or the analog stick on the n64 controller OR the nes control pad....

Motion controls are shit, plain and simple. They work for a few games but not for all. Which is exactly why nintendo needs to go back to having a classic style controller as it's main device. Anon talks about aim assist and other things in FPS games, I don't play too many shooters but I know that it's more comfortable to use my thumbs instead of having to move my wrist and whatnot (eurocom and capcom feel the same, GOldeneye/MH3). Also, is aim assist really that big of a deal? It's a videogame, I don't think anyone plays shooters to enhance their gun targeting skills...

When I play games I want to sit in a chair and use my thumbs and fingers, I don't want to have to stand up (kinect) or wave my arms around (move/wii) it's awkward and doesn't translate well to 99% of games.

Nintendo knows what they're doing though. I honestly believe that this next system will go back to having a standard controller and will make motion controls optional. Nintendo screwed over their fans that stayed true to nintendo during the n64 and gcn era. Those core nintendo fans have mostly left, myself included, but nintendo also knows that if they release a new system that those same people have been asking for, a system that has HD graphics, a standard controller, etc, they will come back. So nintendo stands to possibly gain the people who prefer ps3/360 and the newfound wii fanbase. It's a win-win situation for nintendo.

Gamers have proven to be fickle when it comes to consoles. People jumped to sega when the genesis released, then they jumped back to nintendo with the SNES. PSX crushed the saturn and N64 and the PS2 crushed the XBOX, DC and GCN. Now Sony is in last and the 360 is king in NA when it comes to core titles and the Wii has destroyed both competitors.

Nintendo can have the core and the casuals, they showed it with the SNES, all they need is 3rd party support and if they create a new console with standard controls and enough horsepower, 3rd parties will come to it in droves because of the consumer attach rate it stands to gain.

Nintendo has been lazy with the wii. Even their flagship titles have been outsourced, Smash Bros Brawl (HAL) Prime (Retro) Other M (Tecmo) Pilotwings (some guys in minnesota) The excite series (?) even the OOT remake has been outsourced. They've had to have been working on something behind the scenes for quite a while. Think of how much money they have in regards to the 3DS and Wii, they make money off every system sold. Their new system is going to be a beast, and as for people saying that isn't nintendo's style, nintendo has always had powerful consoles with the wii being the exception. GCN>PS2, N64>PSX, SNES>Genesis

Anon, If motion controls are so great then why do you blast the PS Move?

It's compatible with shooters, MAG, KZ3, SOCOM4 and there are move sports games, Tiger Woods, Bowling, etc. Aragorn's Quest boasts 1:1 motion controls, PS3 has Sports Champions which is 1:1 controls. Heavy Rain has been patched to play with motion controls, so has RE5, and we all know how you nintendo fanboys love to rave on about how RE4 on the Wii is the DEFINITIVE version because of the motion controls.

You're a hypocrite, if you actually cared about motion controls you would embrace the PS Move. The truth is that you don't care about motion controls, you care about what Nintendo does and anything else is shit to you. So to sum it up, in your own words that you love to throw out in every one of your nonsensical comments....You Anon, are a HARDLY CORE, you go on and on about motion controls yet when Sony jumps on the bandwagon and releases a motion device capable of 1:1 you just ignore it and pass it off as trash. Nintendo released Wii Motion + and how many games use it? 5 maybe?

You might be able to fool others with your endless drivel but you can't fool me. I see through your nonsense.

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." — C.S. Lewis

I just rented crysis 2 and I've been playing it for a while. The graphics are so good they hurt my eye, my eyes are physically fucked after playing it. Looking at this(conduit 2)...well, I don't think I could ever play last gen first-person shooters again.

A R700 graphics card to be released in 2012 and a tricore cpu just like the one featured on a 2005 system (xbox 360) as an attempt at recapturing the hardcore crowd is a damn stupid move. The next gen. PS and Xbox are gonna CRUSH this failed attempt right away. There was a time when Nintendo was top-notch (N64 I'm looking at you).

R700?? FAIL FAIL HAHAHAHAH NINTENDO IS ALREADY DONE! a R700 is a 4800 series Radeon PC graphics card.. ATI is on its 6900 series now with 7000 series coming in a few months.. Nintendo is 4 generations behind PC tech.. and only getting slower and slower.. but on the good side a Radeon 4870 can at least run games in full 1080p unlike the current consoles that can barely run 720p but still PC MASTER RACE ALWAYS

"Alongside the option of 3D visuals, the controller in question may not be a controller as much as a central display unit which is simply detached from the console which does all the work. You may hide the console similarly to a subwoofer in a loudspeaker setup whereas the central display unit may become the focus point of the gaming experience. I am thinking of a similar setup to the imaginary technology shown in a 2007 Ubisoft trailer."

A console is useless without games. So it´s a clever move to launch a console at which you could easily port the ps3- and 360-games. If the console were much more powerful, only a few third partys would make games for it.

Also, if the controller is so expensive the console itself must be cheap in production.

And with the innovations in mind, I think, Nintendo is on the right way.

Would be nice to see if its just a couple steps up at least....360 and ps3 games only keep looking better and better so there's plenty enough grunt for beautiful games but they need to have something good looking enough to not get blown away with ms and ps4...I don't see ms and ps4 being souped up too much next gen though....why would they want to continue the path of losses when nintendo has clearly shown its not required with the wii.

If nintendo do get gta5 then they are heading in the right direction for getting the devs back for bringing core games back to nintendo or to nintendo for first time

Yeah, when they hit the market in 2015 (by which time Nintendo has a headstart of 30 million units sold and a software portfolio of hundreds of titles).

Hi Anonymous.

hahah in your dreams

maybe next life falafel

Have you got a better suggestion? Remember 2005 when we knew teh Revolution controller would be very different and would feature two separate parts? Everyone's ideas were far too conventional compared to what Nintendo actually brought to market. If you think that Project Café will feature a simple button controller with a touchscreen on it, you will be wrong. I am not saying my idea is right. But you should think outside the box and make a better suggestion, pal.

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