Cafe dining usually has the wheel wells interfering to some extent to leg room if 4 people are sitting at the cafe table. However, we find the arrangement works as we only have two of us and not such a big problem for occasional 4.

We also had 3 on one trip and dropped the table to use it as a bed and this worked well.

Never had a L shaped dining but friends do it seems to allow more seating area for visitors.

Our batteries, charger, inverter etc are under the seats of the cafe dining area.

We don't have them but would recommend to have side wall cushions if you go for cafe dining as this allows you to stretch out along the seat to watch TV etc. We have to use a pillow or put up with the hardness of the wall. Some have even put small extensions for foot rests using this concept.

Mark, dining area is gonig to be your personal choice, test/ sit in a couple of options to see what suits YOU. In regard to the external shower, in our opinion this is a MUST HAVE. We use our all the time when bush camping in hot weather
especially near sandy areas. After a swim just rinse off with fresh water and all the sand "etc" stays outside. if you don't have a rubber mat to put under your feet at the time, just use a few gum tree branches with leaves on them. this keeps your feet dry and sand free! Also solves the problem of having to clean the mat.
Cheers Spydor & Robyn

Spydor
Everybody makes me happy! Some when they arrive, Some when they leave !!

Hi Mark and Chris, fancy you designing now!! We love the L shaped dining having sat against the wall in the cafe dining arrangement for an hour or so. I do have longer legs though. I found the cafe dining cramped and enjoy the L shaped.

You will find the indoor shower much more roomy than you are used to, assuming you are going with the rear full ensuite. We used the outdoor shower in the previous rig a maximum of twice. If you are in cool to warm conditions the indoor works well.

The BT staff will help you through the design process. We actually had the rear frame work framed out to later put in an outdoor shower should we wish to. Only a slight change of aluminium work required, no commitment to additional cost.

Love the three slide out shelves in the pantry. Means you don't have to see to the back of your shelves as they come out to you. Don't need lighting in there either...

To us, the important factor was the size of the table. L shaped, the table is small, and Cafe, the table is bigger. We made our table bigger still because we wanted to have a laptop and a newspaper on it without getting in each other's way.

Our table is not designed to drop down and turn into a bed.

The "returns" to lean against while watching telly are essential.

Outside shower: personal choice. We had one on our previous van and never used it. My observation is that they are set too high for women to reach and the plastic cover can't take the sun and yellows over time.

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If you aren't going to drop the table, I would suggest the Fiamma leg. It's looks much nicer.

We would agree with Gone Bush about the Cafe Table setup, you get a bigger table area but slightly more cramped up if there are 4 people. We did it slightly differently as our table drops down still. I'm a fairly big fella so we narrowed the table by 1.5 inches each side,makes getting in and out much more comfortable, and carry a couple of support boards under the mattress in case we need to put it down. [ only really expect to house the grand kids] The wall back-padding we consider a must.

The out door shower we are not sure about yet. We have one but have not been into the hotter areas yet to use it. We can see the advantage of it in sandy or wet muddy conditions to save tramping it inside. When out bush I wear lace up boots mostly so am not big on taking them off unless they are really dirty, [much to Christine's chargin].

Sometimes they put a downward swinging door under the fridge and oven. Too low to retrieve things. Have these changed to pull out drawers, much better. Check under the lounge seating, if there is unused space see if it can be accessed by putting in a drawer.
Chris.