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Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Debunking the bullshit: Aaron Russo and Rockefeller

CLAIM: Aaron Russo was told by Nick Rockefeller, allegedly of the Rockefeller family, 11 months before 9/11 that there would be an event that would cause us to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and Venezuela, eventually leading to the bankers controlling the world through implanting chips in our bodies.

THE BULLSHIT: Neither of these guys are who you're supposed to believe they are.

1) AARON RUSSO - Aaron Russo was a movie producer that became politically involved, started his own political party, then became Libertarian, did a standup show complaining about the powers of the federal government, stopped paying taxes, then did a movie about how taxes are illegal. You are telling me that the Rockefellers would confess their plans for world domination to this guy? That's like confessing your shoplifting plans to the Indian guy behind the counter at 7/11. Then he claims nonchalantly that the Council on Foreign Relations, a renowned policy think tank (here assumed to be part of the evil plot), wanted to recruit him? Him? A movie producer? A political nut? Recruited for a major policy institute?

2) NICK ROCKEFELLER - Google him -- the only info about this guy anywhere on the internet comes from Aaron Russo himself! Nick's a nobody, he's neither powerful nor important -- the only reliable info anyone has found is that he's a lawyer who does business in China and has served on some international think tanks -- nowhere does it even indicate that he is a member of the Rockefeller family. Not a single site that posts the video asks for facts, nor do they supply them. Why request facts when you have a video?

3) THE INTERVIEW - When friends see the video they usually say, well why would Aaron lie? He tells the story so convincingly to Alex Jones that it must be the truth.

The reality is that the interview was done years after Aaron was diagnosed with cancer, and just months before his eventual death. He had nothing to lose by claiming that 7 years earlier he had been given evidence that backed up something he had been arguing about for the previous 5 years of his life.

IN OTHER WORDS: A dying libertarian movie producer claims to have uncovered the secret to world domination from some random guy with an important last name. This is hearsay -- it doesn't stand up in court for a reason.

54 comments:

To be fair, Rockefeller IS stated to be a member of the CFR. However, it doesn't say whether he's a term member or a life member, and there's no indication of his level of authority. He doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. He used to have one, but it was bare bones and in fact about half of the page was about the Russo interview, so the page was deleted. You'd think after all these years somebody else would have come forward to corroborate Russo's claim if it were true.

The fact is, no one should just take his word for it. He could be lying, or simply insane. There have been countless people that have come forward claiming something that is absolutely bogus. There have even been people that have claimed to kill someone that they couldn't possible kill because of the evidence. I look at him when he talks and his eyes look like he has freaken lost it.

Did it ever occur to you, that if he is right, that look is based on the stress of realizing your country really IS falling into tyranny? What, you expect when people realize such a thing they will be all calm, cool and macho? Have you ever been n a situation of ongoing stress under threat by others? That's what tyranny IS, a threat. To one's freedom, one's country, one's friends and family, one's life. It's understandable he looks stress! He IS!

There IS a Nick Rockefeller, by the way. I found the article in Bloomberg Business week. It wasn't that hard. You guys seem so frantic yourselves to debunk us that you yourselves will jump at anything!

Here's the article:So there's no Nick Rockefeller? Then why did I find an article on a man named Nick Rockefeller in Bloomberg Nusinessweek? Here's the link, he DOES exist:

You are lying paranoid fearmongerers. The point is, even if there is a real Nick Rockefeller, he is not part of the famous Rockefeller family, which is what Russo implied. And , since he is not part of that family, and even if such a person exists(???), he would have zero knowledge of the alleged secrets he supposedly told Russo.So, either way, it's an outright lie, which is commonplace with libertarians. You are paranoid, brainwashed and part of the libertarian cult. With absolute certainty, he don't know at all what you are talking about. Actually ,it's a combination of not knowing what you're talking about, and knowing, but outright lying

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is an American non-profit organization of architects, engineers, and demolition experts who dispute the results of official investigations into the September 11 attacks, including the 9/11 Commission Report. It advocates that the World Trade Center was destroyed by explosive demolition, a position generally considered by others to be a 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Founded in 2006, the group demands that the United States Congress pursue "a truly independent investigation" into the September 11 attacks as government agency investigations into the collapse of the World Trade Center have not addressed what it calls "massive evidence for explosive demolition." As of March 2011, the group's petition to Congress was signed by nearly 1,500 architectural and engineering professionals. Congress denies the petition.

His securities practice includes litigation before the United States Supreme Court and a number of his transactions have been featured in leading periodicals. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Insitutute of Strategic Studies, the Advisory Board of RAND, the Pacific Council on International Policy, the Committee on Foreign Relations in Los Angeles, the Western Justice Center, and has served as a participant in the World Economic Forum and the Aspen Institute. He is a member of the Board of Visitors of the Law Schools of the University of Oregon and Pepperdine University and is active in the affairs of his alma mater, Yale University. He recently chaired a panel at the United Nations on E-Commerce and is a co-author of "Economic Strategy and National Security".

Nicholas' China practice includes transactions with China’s largest banks, energy companies, communications entities and real estate enterprises as well as with China's principal cities and leading provinces. He was chosen as a board member of the Central China Construction and Development Commission and as a director of the Xiwai International School of Shanghai International University. He has appeared numerous times on CCTV and other China media.

There's a "Nick Rockefeller" according to Businessweek: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=759648&privcapId=21813173&previousCapId=205573&previousTitle=NOKIA%20OYJ.

Also in NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/03/business/international-business-asian-luxury-hotel-is-near-a-rare-sale.html

The lack of evidence is presented as evidence in conspiracy theories. It's why they're so prevalent. There isn't a clear answer, so the paranoid read into the blanks. These readings are passed around, and a construct (theory) is formed. Small bits of data are found that can be construed to support the theory, and then people leave all doubt behind. Conspiracy junkies don't know how to fact-check without removing their own confirmation biases. Many don't fact-check at all (although I am impressed that some have visited here).

It's why Aaron Russo is treated with reverence. He provides "evidence" to back the theory.

The funny part is that some of the theories do have grains of truth - but there is no distinguishing between what is real and what is imaginary. The gullible take it all in as real, and this leads others to do the same. After all, if Alex Jones believes it, who are they to disagree?

After a while, a particular worldview is created in the conspiracist, and all reality is sorted by this worldview. Everything becomes a conspiracy. Global warming is a hoax! What's that strange box doing on the corner of my street? Why did that cashier look at me strangely? I saw a black helicopter yesterday! It's coming soon, man.

Here's a pretty good blog post about conspiracists:http://10cities10years.com/2012/06/06/the-complete-lack-of-evidence-is-the-surest-sign-that-the-conspiracy-is-working/

It addresses the inner need to make sense of the world. Compelling and all-encompassing stories bring order to chaos. Instead of seeing adbsurdly wealthy and/or powerful individuals and corporations each looking after themselves and thus moving markets, governments, events, and populations as a ripple effect, some see a coordinated cartel with shadowy figures deliberately pulling the strings of every major event. It's a more comforting "reality". Instead of a world where chance and competing motives is the norm, they see a world in which every bad thing can be immediately explained. It was all carefully planned, after all.

This comforting story becomes a sort of faith. And once that line is crossed, questioning the faith isn't high on the agenda.

"The lack of evidence is presented as evidence in conspiracy theories."

Please don't play the dummy. While recognizing that, indeed, lack of proof isn't proof of anything, one has to admit that this fallacious reasoning is used all the time on both sides of the argument.Anytime a "Truther" tries to make a point, the answer is always "What's ur proof? Where are the evidences?" etc.

To say the truth, this is considered as a twisted argument only when it doesn't serve the purpose of the side one's on. But any other time it's ok.

And by the way, anybody who doesn't fact-check his views and just take them for granted is a dumbass. As for me, i'm an atheist, yet i watched every creationist documentary there is on the web. I'm neither a Truther nor a Believer, yet whenever i stumble upon a conspiracy documentary/text, i check for the matching "debunking" video/text and every time i see an official explanation/story or narrative or i see a historical documentary, i go check for the "shady" explanation if there is.

How can one be sure of his certitudes if one doesn't test his knowledge? If u don't systematically check both sides of the story, u don't deserve to be called a Believer or a Truther, u are just a mindless sheep. Period.

Anyone who seeks truth finds everything they can on the issue from all viewpoints, weights the evidence, and decides. I have been doing it for 40 years and while I haven't seen the interview with Nickolas Rockefeller, I have seen Russo interview David Rockefeller. David asked him why he cared about a bunch of "useless eaters". That would be us. Anyone who hasn't seen Russo's "Freedom To Fascism" really needs to. Both the shorter version and longer editor's cut are available on YouTube. Russo was a meticulous researcher. Every "conspiracy theory" I have heard him talk about is 100% truth. I say this in all confidence because I HAVE done my research. Many of us "conspiracy nuts" have been at it a long time. We don't mind facing the truth, much of which would make anyone cringe in horror. We are used to being called names.....sticks and stones. We are, for the most part, only concerned with the truth and making others aware of it, we don't jump to preconceived conclusions or make rash judgements. Funny, I can't say the same about our government or our media. How is it so few of you questioned the "truth" of 911? If you had been paying attention you might have realized how unbelievable some of the things you were being told really were. The media initially reported some very important facts and key information, later ignored and never aired again. These on site reports, from the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and outside Shanksville, Pa, can still be viewed online. My husband and myself viewed and read over 1,000 hrs of witness and news accounts, videos, and documents regarding 9/11, so I feel extremely confident the official version is pretty much bull shit. One thing about truth, it always comes out, regardless of how hard you try to hide it. I refer you to an article in yesterday's Veterans Today (12/24/13) by Gordon Duff regarding certain members of congress and what they have recently discovered (and have hard evidence of) pertaining to 9/11. Seems we're not such paranoid whack jobs, after all. People who know the truth are the least paranoid and the least fearful (with the exception of those still so deep in slumber that have no idea they should be). Most of our nation was so traumatized by 9/11, they don't even see how it has been used to keep them in fear and compliant while their personal freedom and liberties are being removed one by one.

"Instead of seeing adbsurdly wealthy and/or powerful individuals and corporations each looking after themselves and thus moving markets, governments, events, and populations as a ripple effect, some see a coordinated cartel with shadowy figures deliberately pulling the strings of every major event. It's a more comforting "reality".

What world are you living in? You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. The more "comforting reality" is the one you seem to be living in , where every lie you've been told is accepted as truth. Well, soon the shit will hit the fan, as they say. When the full extent of what has been perpetuated on the American people and our country (and numerous others) comes to light, as it will, the sheer magnitude of it will be too much for some. The fact is, it is far, far worse than you can imagine. So......instead of lumping us together as a bunch of uninformed and paranoid individuals, seeking out events to justify our own little fantasy world, you really owe it to yourself to see if you really know what you're talking about.

Snopes...the same site that claims McDonald's uses all white meat in their chicken products..Yeah, if you believe Snopes, you're even more ignorant and gullible as those you criticize..Wake up, Zombie !

They are starting to implant the RFID chip in people now in Hanna Wyoming! So if that plus the simple logic of what Russo is saying is not proof than people are just mindless sheep and ready for the slaughter! Just remember the ELITES DONT CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR MOM OR YOUR FAMILY OR ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR AGENDAS PERIOD!

Yes, yes. Snopes is owned, the black helicopters is a-comin'. There's an easy way to test this. The RFID conspiracy email says that March 23, 2013 is the date when every American is required to get an RFID chip. I haven't been notified to go in and have my chip implanted yet. Have you? Do you think you'll be required to get yours in the next three months?

Indeed it is owned... mostly by Soros, and is therefore NOT to be trusted. They dance around the truth, they warp it, twist it and then present it as fact & idiot sheeple never bother to investigate further. Snopes is dead to me. I will never again grace their lying Communist page w/ my IP address.

I had lived in NYC for nearly 12 years when the towers came dowm... roughly 85 percent of the hundreds of people I knew that also lived there..some who were in the vicinity of ground zero during the event...felt that 9/11 was a staged event. Tower 7 was so obviously rigged. I mean man ...you'd have to be blind and a retard not to see this. There had to be explosives applied to the steel girders of towers 1 and 2. They fell too quickly, too cleanly, disintegrated into dust on the way to the ground and collapsed into their exact footprints. Ny'ers are typically bright people. We saw it. We were there. I didn't need Aaron Russo to tell me what I know. God bless him for having the guts to say it the way he did. Our government is fucked. Evil. Why would anything surprise you? Carolyn Nigro

thank you carolyn for being so forthright and including your name. there are a lot of unexplained things about these events. the high level of technology we have allows the mircrochips, the On-star systems, etc, etc. and what do they all have in common? Keeping track of people. And why does the gov't or other so called shadowy figures want to track the 99%? or control of course, that is what gov't is about, it has been a dream for governments to better keep track of people. However, it is a progressive thing done slowly so as not to awaken the suspoicions of too many sheep. It reminds me of an anecdote: if you fling a frog into a pot of boiling water it will jump out but if you put it into lukewarm water and gradually heat the water up until it boils you will cokk that frog. we are the frogs in this equation.

ok if nick Rockefeller isn't real then Adam lanza wasn't either because there was no record of him from 2009 on and if you do a family tree search he don't come up at all but "his" mother and brother do and I think "his" dad did to and there are only 2pic of "Adam" lanza and they don't look the same......I can make it seem like I don't exist its not that hard and when you have the most powerful family in the world you can walk around with a big sign saying your name and having a picture and no1 will believe u because that's what we are told for our whole lives the government is right and what they say goes. Kids today don't even learn about the US constitution because its not in the school curriculum....the reason for school for so long is to distract kids long enough to brainwash them because if you are told something over and over years it sticks and that's the new truth if you don't believe me keep your kid home for the first 18 years of their life and tell them you are right about everything and they should believe and do this for 7hours a day 5 days a week and an extra hour later everyday for 5 days as if its their homework school distracts kid for to long for them to think because when they finally get done they just want to chill with there friends tell a kid there is no god for 1year and they will believe it for life because they cant prove you wrong....school is a waste of our kids time and minds

you were all over the place but you are right I asked my kid about what he knew about the constitution and he said there are laws I asked do you know any he said no and they don't learn the amendments ... I know its part of the constitution but I say they are 2 different things

Well here is this article from 1999 that says "Trenwith is a joint venture 70 percent owned by Rockvest Development, a Rockefeller trust controlled by Nicholas Rockefeller, a California lawyer"

So whatever his blood relation to the Rockefeller family, he shares their name, and works around them. Probably a cousin or something, none the less he exists, and does have ties with the famous family. So that is at least one debunking fail.

Nicholas Rockefeller is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations - nobodies don't get on the CFR. This is from Rockkefeller's own biography: "His securities practice includes litigation before the United States Supreme Court and a number of his transactions have been featured in leading periodicals. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Insitutute of Strategic Studies, the Advisory Board of RAND, the Pacific Council on International Policy, the Committee on Foreign Relations in Los Angeles, the Western Justice Center, and has served as a participant in the World Economic Forum and the Aspen Institute. He is a member of the Board of Visitors of the Law Schools of the University of Oregon and Pepperdine University and is active in the affairs of his alma mater, Yale University. He recently chaired a panel at the United Nations on E-Commerce and is a co-author of "Economic Strategy and National Security"

Russo was not always a libertarian - he ran for the Governor of Nevada, in 1998, as a Republican. He only started became a libertarian, after 911, in 2004. Russo is a famous Hollywood producer, who produced such movies as Trading Places. It was in 2007, that Russo started his own political party. Everything Russo claims is plausible. If Russo is telling the truth & there was a conspiracy that did 911, then it is understandable that Russo would wait until he was dying to tell about his conversation with Rockefeller

THERE IS A LITTLE PROBLE.IN CFR THERE ARE MEMBERS LIKE ACTORS,MUSICIANS AND MAYBE MOVIE PRODUCERS....JUST SEARCH THE WIKKIPEDIA LINK....SO THE ARGUEMENT THAT IN CFR AARON RUSSO WOULDN'T FIND HIS PLACE IS BULLSHIT...SECOND :WHY A DYING MAN IN HIS LAST MONTHS OF HIS LIFE WOULD LIE...ND SUCH A BIG LIE TO MAKE A HUGE SIN...YES I AGREE 99% OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE BULLSHIT,BUT SOME OF THEM MAY BE TRUE....TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS AN ELITE THAT WANT'S TO CONQUER THE WORLD IS MUCH HARDER THAN IT WAS TO EDGAR HOOVER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS MAFIA....

THERE IS A LITTLE PROBLE.IN CFR THERE ARE MEMBERS LIKE ACTORS,MUSICIANS AND MAYBE MOVIE PRODUCERS....JUST SEARCH THE WIKKIPEDIA LINK....SO THE ARGUEMENT THAT IN CFR AARON RUSSO WOULDN'T FIND HIS PLACE IS BULLSHIT...SECOND :WHY A DYING MAN IN HIS LAST MONTHS OF HIS LIFE WOULD LIE...ND SUCH A BIG LIE TO MAKE A HUGE SIN...YES I AGREE 99% OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE BULLSHIT,BUT SOME OF THEM MAY BE TRUE....TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS AN ELITE THAT WANT'S TO CONQUER THE WORLD IS MUCH HARDER THAN IT WAS TO EDGAR HOOVER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS MAFIA....

You can call up Nick Rockefeller and ask him whether he's real, about the Russo statements, etc. His contact info can be found via the California State Bar attorney search web site - http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/165922.

For the chip theory, it is interesting to note that nobody is denying it. Most people google their name from time to time so he's likely aware. Why no response? Maybe because he's an elite and thinks it's beneath him, or maybe he's scared of exposure. Language about required implants did appear in the first version of obamacare. HR 3200. So the house didn't let it get passed probably for entirely unrelated reasons, but the fact that Russo makes this claim years before something like this is attempted to be inserted on page 1000 of a huge bill is interesting to note. I don't know what to believe about conspiracies, but that fact that it was even considered in a bill is kind of scary to me at least. Luckily congress did what it was designed to do and not pass it. Ever notice that congress is the opposite of progress? It's in the name...they're just doing their job.

http://ctt-chinausa.org/team.php?case=teamhttp://www.qatarconferences.org/enriching2007/english.pdfhttp://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/corporate_pubs/2010/RAND_CP1-2007.pdfhttp://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/corporate_pubs/2010/RAND_CP1-2008.pdfhttp://www.weforum.org/pdf/SummitReports/usa2000.pdfHere are some connections to the most powerful people in the world, just do a page search on (crtl-f) and type in rock.

Every rumour, begins with at least an ounce of truth. Read "A people's history of the United States " by Howard Zinn. It will help all of you understand just how sinister and manipulative our leaders are.

Your theory on this being a lie is likely, however, your own argument contains a major flaw. Assuming Nick is a Rockefeller, but isn't important in the influential way that his family is, it isn't that unlikely that he would be careless in who he makes statements to and about what.

Ok if ur so right about this ur Benin u wrote has no facts just comment on wat u think so in that case u have no absolute facts if ur going to debunk things like this prove it with facts not opinions. So if u take time to talk talk talk then do research more that wat u have shown there are a lot of proof of wat he is talking about has fact first dealing with the fake flag operations that have been going on or the 2.3 trillion which vanished due to the trade centers collapsing and coincidences that the Pentagon was hit in the same area the info was stored even better said the guy flying the plane pulled a impossible flying pattern described even by the best pilot's as impossible an he couldn't even fly a smaller plan very well so this 757 also created a 16 ft hole before the structure collapsed in this collapse there was no plane wreckage ... then the patriot act as well as many other methods of taking rights away including t.s.a and there intrusions or gun laws being put into play and socialistic healthcare bills ... now wat he was talking about also indicated the war how we went into Afghanistan and iraq now in Iraq's case we went there due to weapons well if u look furthur we sold that shit to them in Ronald Reagan s time hmm so mister thinks he knows wat he is talking about do ur r easearch first then start a real debate u have no credibility in wat u say

So what is it that you are think we should do; if what you all think is correct... what exactly are we supposed to do? Just sit here and tear each other apart. Good plan. I believe in the middle. Are there things we don't know about what is happening in our world and government. Yes. Do people believe anything that is on the internet? Yes a lot of the time. Are some of you nuts? No, just misguided and delighted whenever you find something conspiracy related or can tear down someone that believes something different. It isn't the elite that will destroy the world it is US behaving like monkeys instead of caring and accepting human beings. BYW, I read the obamacare stuff. It does not say we are to have implants put in.. geez. You see what you want to see. I actually contacted doctors and medical people who specialize in Class II devices everyone is screaming about. Pace makers, food pumps...etc. all class II. Most medical devices that gasp "save lives" are class II. I didn't formulate an opinion one way or another either when I went into this but come on.. I would love to know the truth but what I find is sites that will twist things... like the NBC thing I just got an email on. NBC predicts we will all have implants by 2017. THEY DO NOT PREDICT ANYTHING. It was an editorial piece on all kinds of new technology. Now.. I can't look at that site information without wondering what other half truths they are saying. If you are going to devote yourself to seeking the real truth and sharing it... please don't tell me what you are sharing is something it is not. PLEASE. What I would really love is for there to be someplace where fact is fact and no spin anywhere in sight. ah well... I'm just a dreamer. But truth is truth and the only one I am finding is that there are a lot of "devoted to the truth seekers and websites" that are no better than our government...elite controlled or not.

Obamacare will ultimately be a huge data roundup of everyone in the system. In particular, I believe the DNA profiles of the participants is a top priority that will serve first the spy agencies, secondly the pharmaceutical firms and lastly the public. Anyone deemed a nuisance and undesirable by covert operatives would be more vulnerable were their DNA known. (for example, all those suicided bankers are an example of orchestrated purging not that DNA profiling was involved but it would make it that much easier to target specific anatomical frailties of the individual) Regardless of which presidents name is on this agenda I'm afraid it is an inevitable product of techno medically driven world although I would like to forestall this as long as possible. Simply said DNA data mining is an invasion of privacy. I would gladly trade in any dubious benefits from making my profile public for my right to maintain this privacy.

Regardless of what's said here in these posts of the issue to Nick Rockefeller and Aaron Russo's conversations regarding the ultimate control of the people, facts have shown he does exist, is a member of the Rockefeller family, is in the banking arena in China (or has been) and so what follows is that the information he (Nick Rockefeller) is alleged to have divulge (to Aaron Russo), may in fact have been authentic and real. Every family, no matter how they may try to hide, tone them down, shut them up, has a member that talks too much.

Then in light of what we are increasingly hearing about the elitists bankers and mega corp. owners' agenda on world domination and control, it is entirely legitimate that what was espoused during these two men's conversation did indeed take place and was accurate.

My take would then be that the posts here trying to debunk or rationalize it away (the convo between Nick Rockefeller and Aaron Russo) as having ever taking place would almost certainly come from a 'plant' for lack of a better term to delegitimize it, the elitists goals and even their conspiracies on how to ultimately take over the world.

From all we are seeing, those of us that not only have eyes that really see, but have minds that really think - KNOW that there is indeed a plan in motion and has been for decades, to deceive, misinform and in fact lie to the people of the world and the United States for the one goal of global domination and control of it's masses.

Promoting doubt, fear, fighting amongst each other, between countries and religions, destroying the earth for profits, killing Presidents that tried to stop their power hungry agendas and profiting off of it all is in fact taking place right now and has been in our world for at least decades. And people had better wake up. Get your faces out of your cell phones all day, away from your television shows that demoralize our brains and feed us the lies they want us to hear.

While some put forth a theory that there is no God, no Savior, and in essence no avenger for the good against the evil men do here, I submit there is. The men that do these terrible evil deeds against other men and humanity had better enjoy their game here while they can, because there is an 'entity' that will decide based on what we do here, where we will spend our eternal spiritual form bodies when we leave here and go to a place we cannot see, hear, touch or smell while in these carnal shells we have been given in the quickening of time.