Are we supposed to take Dear Old Dad's word that this actually happened? Nothing from reporters or team officials at the time or since.

The Vikings don't have that much cap space. Spielman hasn't shown any other inclination to break the bank in FA since the Favre debacle (Jennings got way less than Bowe, Harvin and Wallace). Not that they wouldn't have wanted Wallace -- he's top 10 in the league at his best and younger and healthier than Jennings -- but there's no good reason to think they would've offered such a big contract, and no good reason to think Wallace would've actually turned them down if they did.

Seems like fairly obvious PR from Wallace's camp: the money I got from the Dolphins isn't that much, considering, and I like you guys so much more than the Vikings that I turned down money to come here instead. Might want to wait for any proof it actually happened before arguing about why.

First of all we were a very balanced team. No ones playing second fiddle to anyone. I've already proven than.

So you expected Mike Wallace to come in here and get the same number of opportunities as the NFL MVP?

Absolutely.

48.55% of last years plays were running. 42.16% if you take away Ponders scrambles that were actual designed run plays.

The Vikings had nearly a 50/50 run/pass split last year. 51.5% pass / 48.5% run, according to this website. 51.5% passing seems balanced but it was actually the 5th lowest total percentage of passing plays in the league, ahead of only KC, SF, Washington and Seattle. 11 teams had passing attempts on >60% of plays.

Ponder: “[Jennings] is an outstanding receiver. We saw him every year, twice, playing against us, and he scored a lot of touchdowns and made a lot of catches. It will be exciting for us to have him on our side of the field. He’s just very knowledgeable of the game. He’s got great leadership skills. He’s rubbing off on the other receivers. We have a young group of receivers behind Greg and he’s trying to give as much knowledge to those guys and you can tell they’re soaking it up.”

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:41 am Post subject:

Krauser wrote:

Are we supposed to take Dear Old Dad's word that this actually happened? Nothing from reporters or team officials at the time or since.

The Vikings don't have that much cap space. Spielman hasn't shown any other inclination to break the bank in FA since the Favre debacle (Jennings got way less than Bowe, Harvin and Wallace). Not that they wouldn't have wanted Wallace -- he's top 10 in the league at his best and younger and healthier than Jennings -- but there's no good reason to think they would've offered such a big contract, and no good reason to think Wallace would've actually turned them down if they did.

Seems like fairly obvious PR from Wallace's camp: the money I got from the Dolphins isn't that much, considering, and I like you guys so much more than the Vikings that I turned down money to come here instead. Might want to wait for any proof it actually happened before arguing about why.

Are we supposed to take Dear Old Dad's word that this actually happened? Nothing from reporters or team officials at the time or since.

The Vikings don't have that much cap space. Spielman hasn't shown any other inclination to break the bank in FA since the Favre debacle (Jennings got way less than Bowe, Harvin and Wallace). Not that they wouldn't have wanted Wallace -- he's top 10 in the league at his best and younger and healthier than Jennings -- but there's no good reason to think they would've offered such a big contract, and no good reason to think Wallace would've actually turned them down if they did.

Seems like fairly obvious PR from Wallace's camp: the money I got from the Dolphins isn't that much, considering, and I like you guys so much more than the Vikings that I turned down money to come here instead. Might want to wait for any proof it actually happened before arguing about why.

He did break the bank on Berrian

I said, "since the Favre debacle".

Berrian got $42M for 6 years, a long way from $76M, and that didn't work out great. Everything Spielman's done since the 2010-11 meltdown suggests he's trying to avoid the mistakes made in building the 2006-09 team.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject:

Krauser wrote:

twslhs20 wrote:

Krauser wrote:

Are we supposed to take Dear Old Dad's word that this actually happened? Nothing from reporters or team officials at the time or since.

The Vikings don't have that much cap space. Spielman hasn't shown any other inclination to break the bank in FA since the Favre debacle (Jennings got way less than Bowe, Harvin and Wallace). Not that they wouldn't have wanted Wallace -- he's top 10 in the league at his best and younger and healthier than Jennings -- but there's no good reason to think they would've offered such a big contract, and no good reason to think Wallace would've actually turned them down if they did.

Seems like fairly obvious PR from Wallace's camp: the money I got from the Dolphins isn't that much, considering, and I like you guys so much more than the Vikings that I turned down money to come here instead. Might want to wait for any proof it actually happened before arguing about why.

He did break the bank on Berrian

I said, "since the Favre debacle".

Berrian got $42M for 6 years, a long way from $76M, and that didn't work out great. Everything Spielman's done since the 2010-11 meltdown suggests he's trying to avoid the mistakes made in building the 2006-09 team.

Well to be fair Wallace and Berrian are different receivers. Berrian never once had a 1000 yard season I believe. I was excited to get him, but it never panned out.

Speilman, IMO, has 3 solid mistake free FA/Draft season. However, if this season falls flat, I could see him getting the ax as he has prior strikes from years past. And the jury is still out on some of his draft picks. This is a big year for him and Fraizer IMO.

Also what was wrong with signing Brett? He was our best QB to date since Moon._________________
Joe_is_the_best ^^

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Well to be fair Wallace and Berrian are different receivers. Berrian never once had a 1000 yard season I believe. I was excited to get him, but it never panned out.

Speilman, IMO, has 3 solid mistake free FA/Draft season. However, if this season falls flat, I could see him getting the ax as he has prior strikes from years past. And the jury is still out on some of his draft picks. This is a big year for him and Fraizer IMO.

Also what was wrong with signing Brett? He was our best QB to date since Moon.

3 solid seasons in a row? You're on board with the Ponder pick after all? I thought you were one of the main skeptics.

I agree he's had 3 good years, allowing for juries being out on lots of guys, Ponder most of all.

I don't think Spielman was the main architect of the 2006-09 team. Or at least if he was, he's taken a completely different tack since then.

I didn't have a problem with signing Favre, it was the smart thing to do after TJack embarrassed himself against the Eagles in the 2008 playoffs. The problem was the way that team was built in the first place, too many high priced FAs with a narrow window coupled with TJack as a longshot developmental QB. "Debacle" is really for the way the team was built that necessitated singing Favre, not anything to do with Favre's own play until that final INT.

Are we supposed to take Dear Old Dad's word that this actually happened? Nothing from reporters or team officials at the time or since.

The Vikings don't have that much cap space. Spielman hasn't shown any other inclination to break the bank in FA since the Favre debacle (Jennings got way less than Bowe, Harvin and Wallace). Not that they wouldn't have wanted Wallace -- he's top 10 in the league at his best and younger and healthier than Jennings -- but there's no good reason to think they would've offered such a big contract, and no good reason to think Wallace would've actually turned them down if they did.

Seems like fairly obvious PR from Wallace's camp: the money I got from the Dolphins isn't that much, considering, and I like you guys so much more than the Vikings that I turned down money to come here instead. Might want to wait for any proof it actually happened before arguing about why.

He did break the bank on Berrian

I said, "since the Favre debacle".

Berrian got $42M for 6 years, a long way from $76M, and that didn't work out great. Everything Spielman's done since the 2010-11 meltdown suggests he's trying to avoid the mistakes made in building the 2006-09 team.

You could also argue that Berrian wasn't all Spielman's decision. It was during the Triangle of Authority...

But yes, no matter who signed off on it, BB was a horrible choice._________________

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject:

Krauser wrote:

twslhs20 wrote:

Well to be fair Wallace and Berrian are different receivers. Berrian never once had a 1000 yard season I believe. I was excited to get him, but it never panned out.

Speilman, IMO, has 3 solid mistake free FA/Draft season. However, if this season falls flat, I could see him getting the ax as he has prior strikes from years past. And the jury is still out on some of his draft picks. This is a big year for him and Fraizer IMO.

Also what was wrong with signing Brett? He was our best QB to date since Moon.

3 solid seasons in a row? You're on board with the Ponder pick after all? I thought you were one of the main skeptics.

I agree he's had 3 good years, allowing for juries being out on lots of guys, Ponder most of all.

I don't think Spielman was the main architect of the 2006-09 team. Or at least if he was, he's taken a completely different tack since then.

I didn't have a problem with signing Favre, it was the smart thing to do after TJack embarrassed himself against the Eagles in the 2008 playoffs. The problem was the way that team was built in the first place, too many high priced FAs with a narrow window coupled with TJack as a longshot developmental QB. "Debacle" is really for the way the team was built that necessitated singing Favre, not anything to do with Favre's own play until that final INT.

No I'm not on board with Ponder. He was a bust in my eyes from the first time I "evaluated" him at FSU. I just didn't feel the need to derail this thread further.

Also was never a big fan of Spielman when he was brought in. His personel evaluation in MIA was abysmal from 02-05, but he's proven so far that he is more right than wrong._________________
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