Everything except for a few manufacturers are crap. Nobody has made a decent head unit in about 5 years. Just like amps. Orion PPI And Phoenix gold all were top of the heap until they were bought by huge companies and are now crap for the most part. Too many useless buttons and crap, and not enough quality and Sound

slamnoma66

01-15-2008, 07:52 PM

i hear alpine is going down too, so then what is a company thats staying up there?

bikinpunk

01-15-2008, 08:27 PM

i hear alpine is going down too, so then what is a company thats staying up there?

Actually, Alpine seems to be doing better with their products lately.

9886 is a good step for the majority of consumers.

whitemax

01-15-2008, 09:07 PM

The 9887 is a solid unit as well.....

bikinpunk

01-15-2008, 09:36 PM

The 9887 is a solid unit as well.....

I didn't mention it because it's not part of the new lineup. ;)

whitemax

01-15-2008, 10:10 PM

It is still part of Alpine's 08 line ;).

bikinpunk

01-15-2008, 10:34 PM

It is still part of Alpine's 08 line ;).

Ah, boo! Someone sure is whiny I didn't mention their h/u. :p:

Towncar

01-15-2008, 11:18 PM

Everything except for a few manufacturers are crap. Nobody has made a decent head unit in about 5 years. Just like amps. Orion PPI And Phoenix gold all were top of the heap until they were bought by huge companies and are now crap for the most part. Too many useless buttons and crap, and not enough quality and Sound

An owner of the stock bought pg, not some random company. Its the same company;) and the products are still top notch.. fyi

whitemax

01-16-2008, 12:33 AM

Ah, boo! Someone sure is whiny I didn't mention their h/u. :p:

No whining....just correcting....:D

Racerx250

01-16-2008, 12:36 AM

I got a clarion dxz955mc and I love it. I got my hands on a clarion mav675 screen and I'm likin it so far. But not too much to compare with on the screen.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:16 PM

My main gripe is Alpine is their decision to not put optical out on 98% of their decks.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:22 PM

And they can't seem to stick to any sort of cosmetic scheme. The 9887 theme is real nice and they're changing it it already.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:25 PM

They had the 4 buttons the left of the volume for YEARS. 2002 to 2005. 2006 they released the first 6 button units with the CDA-9856/9857/DVA-9861.

They tweaked it to be even more attractive for 2007.

Now with the '08 units they move the 6 buttons BACK to other side of the knob. MAke up your mind Alpine.:confused:

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:26 PM

The CDA-9886 is ugly as hell compared to the 9887.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:27 PM

And don't get me started on the shrinking Biolite display.:mad:

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 03:27 PM

....or the lack of the motorized faceplate.:mad:

bikinpunk

01-16-2008, 03:52 PM

^ Edit button, anyone?

bigbirney420

01-16-2008, 03:53 PM

PG is far from top notch in anyhing, I owned a Xenon, and a Tantrum. Compared to the old stuff like MS2125 and other M series as well as ZX series and titaniums, the new ones are crap. They dont demand as much money for them either

IgnoreMe

01-16-2008, 03:53 PM

^ Edit button, anyone?

x10000 jesus christ.

bdawson72

01-16-2008, 03:54 PM

My main gripe is Alpine is their decision to not put optical out on 98% of their decks.

I don't even know what the purpose of an optical out is.

andrewmoore13

01-16-2008, 03:56 PM

I don't even know what the purpose of an optical out is.

x2

dragnix

01-16-2008, 04:01 PM

^ Edit button, anyone?

it helps his post count

dragnix

01-16-2008, 04:01 PM

I don't even know what the purpose of an optical out is.

my guess is better sound, or just a marketing gimmick like digital amps :laugh:

Louisiana_CRX

01-16-2008, 04:05 PM

PG is far from top notch in anyhing, I owned a Xenon, and a Tantrum. Compared to the old stuff like MS2125 and other M series as well as ZX series and titaniums, the new ones are crap. They dont demand as much money for them either

I remember when the Phoenix Gold M series were their bottom of the line...by todays standards they would be considered top of the line.... ....I've had several of the older MS series...I still have one MS275 I was thinking about using in an install soon....

dragnix

01-16-2008, 04:08 PM

new ones are chinese made so that may be part of the reason why

bikinpunk

01-16-2008, 06:42 PM

my guess is better sound, or just a marketing gimmick like digital amps :laugh:

Digital output = less noise/better quality.

ebrunn

01-16-2008, 08:46 PM

My main gripe is Alpine is their decision to not put optical out on 98&#37; of their decks.

Maybe because only .0001% of potential customers actually want to use that feature.

nismos14

01-16-2008, 08:52 PM

The optical out is to connect to processors such as the h701 etc.

BringDaBoom

01-16-2008, 08:57 PM

Everything except for a few manufacturers are crap. Nobody has made a decent head unit in about 5 years. Just like amps. Orion PPI And Phoenix gold all were top of the heap until they were bought by huge companies and are now crap for the most part. Too many useless buttons and crap, and not enough quality and Sound

^^^^^ couldn't agree more. For headunits, I go with Alpine, Eclipse or Premier. That's it. Those three seem to be the main ones with their isht together.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 10:13 PM

^ Edit button, anyone?

Too much work.;)

nismos14

01-16-2008, 10:14 PM

Lazy ***.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 10:15 PM

Maybe because only .0001&#37; of potential customers actually want to use that feature.

Well considering they have the PXA-H701 and they know many are using it in 4 way mode. I'm sure Alpine has someone working for them that knows competitors use this processor for non 5.1 systems.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 10:17 PM

I don't think it's fair to have to buy a DVD player just for optical out.

GlasSman#1

01-16-2008, 10:18 PM

Lazy ***.

You forgot your :D

Towncar

01-16-2008, 10:34 PM

PG is far from top notch in anyhing, I owned a Xenon, and a Tantrum. Compared to the old stuff like MS2125 and other M series as well as ZX series and titaniums, the new ones are crap. They dont demand as much money for them either

People often say this, and havent even owned an old school amp. I for one Own an m44, and have ran the xenon line, and their was no audible difference period. The xenons had a bad run the first time around, but that problem was fixed many years ago. One of pgs most overbuilt amps period. I dont know what amp you were looking at, but the xenons were not expensive. If anything the titaniums were way more expensive amps..

bikinpunk

01-17-2008, 04:04 PM

Maybe because only .0001% of potential customers actually want to use that feature.