No, I'm just elaborating so you can understand me better. Seems our definitions of "observable" were conflicting.

Don't give up though

I love it, a couple hours ago you were so adamant...

Art of CIP wrote: The first question was clearly and obviously rhetorical...

Science provides man with a framework to study and understand observable phenomena. That is to say that it is a human realm of study and knowledge. What happens if something exists outside the the realm of phenomena that is observable to humans? Does this mean it does not exist?

ThatLook Visual Media wrote: Yes

But as soon as we put it to a logical test, look at you now - you can't come up with ways to explain the unobservable fast enough...

I will repeat myself for those who werent paying close enough attention the first time....there are MANY types of Christians with varying viewpoints....... take a valium my friend or go pray or something.

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

What makes you think it's a sin to pose nude. You state that you have done nude shoots with "Quite a few Christian models..." So why do you think it's sin?

I will repeat myself for those who werent paying close enough attention the first time....there are MANY types of Christians with varying viewpoints....... take a valium my friend or go pray or something.

I will repeat myself for those who werent paying close enough attention the first time....there are MANY types of Christians with varying viewpoints....... take a valium my friend or go pray or something.

I think most Christians would agree with his interpretation of why adam and eve felt shame

Nudity is not a sin
Lust and Pride is

To invite lust could be considered a sin via pride

and note that the definition on the first page are accurate in regards to Lust and Pride and sins and Christianity. It's a slightly narrower definition than the secular definiton

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

We are born naked, so I don't think it is a sin. I am a Christian and shoot nude models. I consider the nude body as art and I am trying to capture God's masterpieces. I don't consider that a sin

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

I've asked maybe 2,000 models about posing nude. Maybe two or three said they wouldn't for religious reasons. Or at least, that's all who mentioned it.

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

Hey--you might be on to something here. Could it be that religious beliefs are not consistent across believers of the same faith? Or even consistent within the same believer? What a shocking revelation...

Hey--you might be on to something here. Could it be that religious beliefs are not consistent across believers of the same faith? Or even consistent within the same believer? What a shocking revelation...

Exactly.

Some people use religion as a crutch. They may have body issues, they may not want nude photos out there because of work or family, or they just do not want to do nude shoots because of moral issues. They use religion as an easy out answer. Saying they do not want to do nude shoots because one boob is bigger than the other is not an appropriate response to a photographer.

I was recently reading a profile of a model that said they will not pose nude due to religious reasons. However, there are several nude photos of the model in a photographer’s profile.

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

Because they do think it is a sin. They also maybe thinking the photos might be used for salacious purposes other than to show their portfolio of them posing in an art nude way, you have to remember that some people "jack off" to anything. I don't think that art nude is wrong, but I maybe wrong here

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

If you go to the mythology of Noah and the great flood, things became a mess when the "sons of God married the daughters of man." This referred to the angels falling to earth, falling in love with human women and giving birth to a race of horrible giants.

The Vatican took an arbitrary vote that angels were never corporeal and jettisons the Book Of Enoch from their cannon of dogma. Many other churches kept these ancient early Christian stories that were far older than the Catholic Church.

What is facinating is the elaboration on the human angel hybrids. God punished them for teaching astrology, herbalism, witchcraft, jewelry craft, weaponry and the use of cosmetics. All of which were knowleges not intended for human kind.

Aside from the flood to wipe the earth's state clean, the Book of Enoch goes into great detail i how God punished the angels who taught man forbidden knowledge.

The angel who received by far the worse punishment wasn't the ones that taught witchcraft, astrology or mediumship with the dead. It was the angel who taught man weaponry, jewelry and cosmetology. I laugh my ass off at evangelicals who want to ban Harry Potter for being satanic yet are NRA gun fanatics whose fashion aesthetic is heavy on women's makeup and tacky jewlery.

The bible is frequently interpreted in a very arbitrary manner. Jesus repeatedly tells people to be charitable to the poor and kind to the least amongst us. Jesus never mentions homosexuality. However the American Family Association fights hard to support efforts to slash federal funding for the poor, the ill and the elderly along with trying to make being gay a criminal offense.

I prefer not to argue with those who say artistic nudity is sinful (didn't Jesus wear the equivalent of a g-string on the cross? Quietly I think that anyone who truly wants to live by the letter of scripture has no business in a profession driven by extreme vanity and coveting.

New Kidd Imagery wrote: This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

It seems to depend on which "Christian" authority figure you ask. Here is the Pope speaking to 1.196 billion [# as of December 2011] Catholics:

On Nudity

Because God created it, the human body can remain nude and uncovered and preserve its splendor and its beauty…

Sexual modesty cannot in any simple way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness with absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness. There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest…

Nakedness, as such, is not to be equated with physical shamelessness…

Immodesty is present only when nakedness plays a negative role with regards to the values of the person…

The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reason are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general…

Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior person…

Pope John Paul, II
official statement from
“Love and Responsibility”

But, if you happen to be a follower of the Westboro Baptist Church you are going to get a somewhat different answer - - -

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