Dr. Patton affirmed that the facts of geology are more compatible with
creation than evolution. His presentation was as scientific as it was precise,
John Blanton (affirming the opposite) rambled irrelevantly off topic by
discussing the Bible, while Patton only discussed science. The few times John
Blanton did in fact discuss science in his lectures, he was so ill informed
that even one of his fellow- atheist/evolutionist colleagues admitted to Dr.
Patton privately, that Patton won the debate hands down.

John Blanton falsely accused Patton of misquoting most of his scientific
references. (This statement by one of John Blanton's colleges, (who remained an
evolutionist after the debate, but admitted Don Patton won the debate, is
another excellent example of the "hostile witness" approach.) Patton
clearly refuted the ridiculous charge of misquoting, by first pointing out that
Blanton was so ill prepared to debate Patton, that he didn't even understand
the concept of the "hostile witness". When Patton challenged Blanton
for a single example of misquoting the original sources, Blanton, typical of
his style, merely restated the charge while offering no proof in an effort to
create slur and slander against Patton. Blanton lives by the rule, "If you
say something false enough times, people will begin to believe it." We
find this as dishonest as it is unprofessional.

Blanton also stated that Patton has no formal training in geology and
accused Patton of having a fake degree. When he was later directed to our page that details Dr. Patton's
credentials, he called Patton a lair. When Key
authentic original documents were presented to Blanton, he accused Patton
of forging these documents to support, "his phony degree". Blanton
actually contacted Jan Williamson, believing this person to be as fictitious as
the letter. To Blanton's horror, Jan Williamson verified the letter was
authentic as well as the accreditation of the school where Patton earned his
Ph. D. Rather than withdraw the charge as false and unsubstantiated, John
Blanton, continues to this day with his slanderous accusations. Again, Blanton
lives by the rule, "If you say something false enough times, people will
begin to believe it." Or "throw enough mud and people will look
dirty."

In the end, it was an unfair debate because Blanton admitted he had no
formal scientific training in Geology or the fossil record, while Patton is a
University trained Geologist who has earned a living working around the world
as a consulting Geologist.

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Professor
Knockout Quotes!

The only official collection of quotes by Dr.
Don Patton on the internet.

An important
message from Dr. Patton regarding these quotes:I use most of these
quotes as handouts to provide documentation for my lecture series. They were
not intended to stand alone as arguments by themselves. However this web site
(www.bible.ca) convinced me that they
could be useful as a reference tool, especially for those who attend the
lectures, and I agreed. I commented at the time that some of the quotes would
not make sense without the lecture. A few (two) have charged that a small
number of these quotes misrepresent the intent of the context. When the
charges were investigated, it was discovered, sure enough, if they had heard
them used in the context of the lecture, they would have seen that the use
was appropriate. It should be remembered that we are not quoting these
individuals to imply that they are creationists. Rather, just the opposite.
We are using them as antagonistic witnesses. When such individuals
acknowledge facts contrary to their own interest, the credibility of their
testimony increases dramatically. We want you to know that these individuals
are devout evolutionists. It should also be remembered that the quotes are
used as graphics in a lecture. It is easy to defeat the purpose of effective
communication by too much detail in the graphic. A longer excerpt might be
desirable but ineffective. This practical challenge is one of the reasons
documentation is provided in the form of a handout, which allows one to check
the entire book or article referenced. If you feel that any of the quotes are
used in a "deceptive and misleading" way, please contact the webmaster a formal inquiry
will be made of your concerns. We are not afraid to admit error and make
changes.

Dr. Don R.
Patton

Quotes used by
Dr. Don Patton in video lecture.

LAWS OF SCIENCE

"LAWS" OF
NATURE,James
H. Shea, Editor, Journal of Geological Education, "The most
serious problem with this concept grows out of the fact that it uses a
metaphor, the Laws that govern or control nature.... We seem to believe that
there literally are such laws. The concept is anachronistic in that it
originated at a time when the Almighty was thought to have established the
laws of nature and to have decreed that nature must obey them.... It is a
great pity for the Philosophy of Science that the word 'law' was ever
introduced.", Geology, v. 10, p. 458

1st Law of
Thermodynamics

Albert Einstein, "Classical
thermodynamics...only physical theory of universal content concerning which I
am convinced that within the framework of applicability of its basic
concepts, it will never be overthrown." Science, Vol. 157, p. 509

Isaac Asimov, "This law is considered the
most powerful and most fundamental generalization about the universe that
scientists have ever been able to make. No one knows why energy is
conserved... All that anyone can say is that in over a century and a quarter
of careful measurement scientists have never been able to point to a definite
violation of energy conservation, either in the familiar everyday
surroundings about us, or in the heavens above or in the atoms within." Smithsonian
Institution Journal, 6/1970, p.6

ORIGIN OF MATTER,
Isaac Asimov,
"Perhaps in an infinite sea of nothingness, globs of positive and
negative energy in equal-sized pairs are constantly forming, and after
passing through evolutionary changes, combining once more and vanishing. We
are in one of these blobs in the period of time between nothing and nothing,
and wondering about it.", Science Digest, Vol.69, p.69

2nd Law of
Thermodynamics

FAMILIAR TO EVERYONE, Isaac Asimov,
"Another way of stating the second law then is 'The universe is
constantly getting more disorderly!' Viewed that way we can see the second
law all about us. We have to work hard to straighten a room, but left to
itself it becomes a mess again very quickly and very easily. Even if we never
enter it, it becomes dusty and musty. How difficult to maintain houses, and
machinery, and our own bodies in perfect working order: how easy to let them
deteriorate. In fact, all we have to do is nothing, and ev-erything
deteriorates, collapses, breaks down, wears out, all by itself-and that is
what the second law is all about.", Smithsonian Institution Journal, June,
1970, p. 6

HOPELESS EVASION, Sir Arthur Eddington,
"...if your theory is found to be against the second law of
thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to
collapse in deepest humiliation.", p.74 Nature of the Physical World.

JUST STATISTICAL?A.B. Pippard, Cambridge
Univ., "There is thus no justification for the view, often glibly
repeated, that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is only statistically true,
in the sense that microscopic violations repeatedly occur, but never
violations of any serious magnitude. On the contrary, no evidence has ever
been presented that the Second Law breaks down under any
circumstances.", Elements of Chemical Thermodynamics for Advanced
Students of Physics, p.99-100

COMPREHENSIVE
APPLICATION, Richard Morris,
"The second law of thermodynamics has a chameleonlike character. It can
be expressed in more different ways than any of the other laws of physics.
The reason that it takes so many different forms is that it is the most
general of all the laws that scientists have discovered. It applies to
practically everything." Time's Arrows: Scientific Attitudes Toward
Time, 1984, p.113

APPLIES TO
INFORMATION, Tom Siegfried,
Dallas Morning News, 5/14/90, "Is there a real connection between
entropy in physics and the entropy of information? ....The equations of
information theory and the second law are the same, suggesting that the idea
of entropy is something fundamental..." [Quotes Robert W. Lucky, Ex.
Director of Research, AT&T, Bell Laboratories & John A. Wheeler, of
Princeton & Univ. of TX, Austin]

GREAT FAITH, Eric J,
Chaisson,
Harvard, "Along an arrow of time starting at the Big Bang, Chaisson
depicts cosmic evolution in a wide range of systems: particulate, galactic,
stellar, planetary, chemical, biological, and cultural. Over time, all these
systems-be they manifested in worms, human brains, or microchips-become both
more complex and more ordered..." Cosmic Evolution, Bookcover

Applies To Open
System

OPEN?, John Ross, Harvard
University, Chemical And Engineering News, p.40 July 7, 1980,
"Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the
second law applies equally well to open systems." Arnold Sommerfel,
"...the quantity of entropy generated locally cannot be negative
irrespective of whether the system is isolated or not." Thermodynamics
And Statistical Mechanics, p.155

USEFUL ABSTRACTION,
Richard Morris,
"An isolated system is one that does not interact with its surroundings.
Naturally there are no completely isolated systems in nature. Everything
interacts with its environment to some extent. Nevertheless, the concept,
like many other abstractions that are used in physics, is extremely useful.
If we are able to understand the behavior in ideal cases, we can gain a great
deal of understanding about processes that take place in the real world In
fact treating a real system as an isolated one is often an excellent
approximation.", Time's Arrows, p.113

UNSATISFACTORY
"EXPLANATION" Charles J. Smith, "Biological systems are open and exchange both
energy and matter. This explanation, however, is not completely satisfying,
because it still leaves open the problem of how or why the ordering process
has arisen (an apparent lowering of the entropy), and a number of scientists
have wrestled with this issue. Bertalanffy (1968) called the relation between
irreversible thermodynamics and information theory one of the most
fundamental unsolved problems in biology." Biosystems, Vol.1,
p259.

SURPLUS ENERGY:
INSUFFICIENT!George
Gaylord Simpson & W.S. Beck, "But the simple expenditure of
energy is not sufficient to develop and maintain order. A bull in a china
shop performs work, but he neither creates nor maintains organization. The
work needed is particular work; it must follow specifications; it requires
information on how to proceed.", An Introduction To Biology, p.
466

INFORMATION REQUIRED, Manfred Eigen (Nobel
Laureate) "Here at the molecular level are the roots of the old puzzle
about the chicken or the egg. Which came first, function or information? As
we shall show, neither one could proceed the other; they had to evolve
together." Evolution, p.13, 11/10/1982.

SOURCE OF
INFORMATION???Carl
Sagan, Cornell, "The information content of a simple cell has been
estimated as around 1012 bits, comparable to about a hundred
million pages of the Encyclopaedia Britannica.", Life, Vol.10,
p.894. Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft, Human DNA is like a computer
program but far, far more advanced than any software we have ever
created." The Road Ahead, p.228

MUTATIONS, Theodosius Dobzhansky,
"....one can say that mutations are owing to incorrect copying, to
occasional mistakes in the generally so remarkably accurate process of
replication... You may, if you wish, compare mutations to accidental
misspellings or misprints which even the most experienced copyist makes....
...harmfulness of most mutants is just what could be reasonably expected.
....an accident, a random change, in any delicate mechanism can hardly be
expected to improve it. Poking a stick into the machinery of one's watch or
into one's radio set can hardly be expected to make it work better." Heredity
And The Nature Of Man, p.126

MOST PROBABILE, Peter T. Mora, National
Institute of Health, "Crystallization occurs because it leads to the
lowest energy state, and to the most stable arrangement of atoms or molecules
under the given conditions. Crystallization leads to simple, very uniform
repeating structures, which are inert. These structures do not function, and
are not designed by function." Nature, Vol. 199, 1963, p 216.

STRUCTURE CONFUSED
WITH ORDER, Richard Morris,
"For example, when a crystal grows in a liquid, structure appears
that was not present before the process of crystallization began. As the
crystal becomes larger, the entropy of the system does increase. ...The
appearance of structure does not always imply an increase in order, even
though "structure" and "order" are equated in our
everyday speech." Time's Arrows, p.119.

LIFE PROCESSES, Harold Blum, Prinston
Univ., "No matter how carefully we examine the energetics of living
systems we find no evidence of defeat of thermodynamic principles, but we do
encounter a degree of complexity not witnessed in the non-living world."
Time's Arrow and Evolution, p.14

LIFE WON'T
"FORM"Ilya
Prigogin (Nobel Laureate) "Unfortunately this principle cannot
explain the formation of biological structures. The probability that at
ordinary temperatures a macroscopic number of molecules is assembled to give
rise to the highly ordered structures and to the coordinated functions
characterizing living organisms is vanishingly small. The idea of spontaneous
genesis of life in its present form is therefore highly improbable, even on
the scale of billions of years during which prebiotic evolution
occurred." Physics Today, Vol.25, p.28.

Observed In Life Of
The Past

DOWNHILL, Stephen J. Gould,
Harvard, "The sweep of anatomical diversity reached a maximum right
after the initial diversification of multicellular animals. The later history
of life proceeded by elimination not expansion." Wonderful Life, 1989,
p.46

"LAW"?Stephen Gould, Harvard,
"According to a 'law' formulated by E. D. Cope in 1871, the body size of
organisms in a peculiar evolutionary lineage tends to increase. But Cope's
rule has failed the most comprehensive test applied to it yet." Nature,
V.385, 1/16/97

BIGGER & MORE
DIVERSE, Von Engeln & Caster,
"Also that mammalian life was richer in kinds, of larger sizes, and had
a more abundant expression in the Pliocene than in later times.", Geology,
p.19 "Giants Of The Past," "Leakey...had been scouring
the gorge since 1931. Over the years he has unearthed the bones of an ancient
pig as big as a rhino, a six-foot-tall sheep, a twelve-foot-tall bird and the
flattopped skull of the erect 'Nutcracker man'.", Time Magazine,
3/10/1961 Larger Boy, Richard Leakey "...the boy from Turkana was
surprisingly large compared with modern boys his age; ...he would probably go
unnoticed in a crowd today. This find combines with previous discoveries of
Homo erectus to contradict a long held idea that humans have grown larger
over the millennia." National Geographic, 11/19/85 p.629 p.158
"...fossil bones from a 4 m tall, 500 kg [12', 1100 lb] bird that once
roamed the Australian Outback (along with giant kangaroos and wombats the
size of cars), were discovered near Central Australia's Alice Springs."
Peter Murray, Mu. of Central Australia, Quoted in Daily Telegraph,
8/17/2002, p.7 "Stone Age Elepant" "...would have been
twice the size of the largest modern African elephant. ...Bones from other
large animals, including rhinoceros, buffalo and wild horses, have also been
found nearby." BBC News, 6/19/04 "Ratzilla" Science
News, 9/20/03 "Dig reveals real mighty mouse 8 million years ago,
buffalo-size rodents roamed Venezuela" Science, 9/19, 2003 "Killer
Kangaroos Once Roamed Australia" "University
of New South Wales, Dr Sue Hand, told the Daily Mail had slicing crests on
their teeth that, 'could have crunched through bone and sliced off
flesh.'" Science News8/8,2006 Demon Duck of Doom,
Bullockornis...stood approximately 2.5 metres (8 ft 2 in) tall. It may have
weighed up to 250 kg (550 lb). ...a very large beak designed for
shearing,...the bird may have been carnivorous." Wikipedia The
Fossil Cycads, Robert Buckley, 1999"...the true cycads were
apparently quite large. One fossil from Japan, a large stem over four feet in
diameter...." p.13 A giant frog fossil from Madagascar dubbed
Beelzebufo or 'the frog from Hell' has been identified by scientists from UCL
(University College London) and Stony Brook University, New York. The
discovery of the 70 million year-old fossil frog" 2/18/08, Physorg.com All
Insects Larger, "In general all the Pennsylvanian insects were
larger than the ones we know today." Trilobite, Dinosaur And Man,
Clifford Simak, p.158 "Why Were Prehistoric Insects Huge?"
"Alexander Kaiser, Ph.D., of Midwestern University's Department of
Physiology, Division of Basic Sciences, was the lead author in a recent study
to help determine why insects, once dramatically larger than they are today,
have seen such a remarkable reduction in size over the course of
history." Science Daily, 8/8/07

Observed Throughout
Universe

DEGENERATING UNIVERSE,
The Universe
And Dr. Einstein, "The
sun is slowly but surely burning out, the stars are dying embers, and
everywhere in the cosmos heat is turning into cold, matter is dissolving into
radiation, and energy is being dissipated into empty space. The universe is
thus progressing to an ultimate 'heat death'....And there is no way of
avoiding this destiny. For the fateful principle known as the second law of
thermodynamics, which stands today as the principal pillar of classical physics
left intact by the march of science, proclaims that the fundamental processes
of nature are irreversible. Nature moves just one way."p.102

OBSERVED DETERIORATION, Fred L. Whipple, Dir.,
Smithsonian Astrophysical. Observatory, "Comets tend to split in pieces,
particularly when they are near the Sun or Jupiter, but also when they are
quite undisturbed in space. Some comets seem to tire out and die.", Mystery
Of Comets, 1985, p.93

"A Comet Continues
To Crumble" "A Comet discovered last January just can't keep itself
together. Ever since astronomers first spied the object dubbed C/2001 A2,
it's been breaking up. ...another comet shattered into more than 10 pieces as
it neared the sun last summer..." Science News, V.160, p.41,
7/21/2001

STARS
"THEORETICALLY" IMPOSSIBLE, J. C.Brandt, "Contemporary opinion on star
formation holds that the objects called protostars are formed as
condensations from interstellar gas. This condensation process is very
difficult theoretically and no essential theoretical understanding can be
claimed; in fact, some theoretical evidence argues strongly against the
possibility of star formation. However, we know that the stars exist, and we
must do our best to account for them.", Sun And Stars, p.111 Abraham
Loeb, Harvard Center for Astrophysics, "The truth is that we don't
understand star formation at a fundamental level." New Scientist,
V.157, 2/7/1998, p.30 Derek Ward-Thompsom, Cardiff Univ. "Stars
are among the most fundamental building blocks of the universe, yet the
processes by which they are formed are not understood." Science, V.295,
p.76, 1/4/2002 Geoffrey Burbidge, Director, Kitt Peak National
Observatory, "If stars did not exist, it would be easy to prove that
this is what we expect.", Stellar Structure, p.577 Genesis 2:1
"Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were
finished."

GALAXIES
"THEORETICALLY" IMPOSSIBLE, James Trefil, Physics, George Mason U.,
"It seems that the more we learn about the basic laws of nature, the
more those laws seem to tell us that the visible matter-the stuff we can
see-shouldn't be arranged the way it is. There shouldn't be galaxies out
there at all, and even if there are galaxies, they shouldn't be grouped
together the way they are. ...The problem of explaining the existence of
galaxies has proved to be one of the thorniest in cosmology. By all rights,
they just shouldn't be there, yet there they sit. It's hard to convey the
frustration that this simple fact induces among scientist...Despite what you
may read in the press, we still have no answer to the question of why the sky
is full of galaxies..." Dark Side Of The Universe, 1988, pp.2, 55
Martin Rees, "The most basic questions about galaxies are still
not understood. If galaxies didn't exist, we would have no problem explaining
that fact.", Dallas Morning News, 8/15/1988

ORIGIN OF SOLAR
SYSTEM, Sir H. Jeffries,
Cambridge, "I think all suggested accounts of the origin of the Solar
System are subject to serious objections. The conclusion in the present state
of the subject would be that the system cannot exist.", The Earth,
1970, p.359. Fred Whipple, Harvard "All of the hypotheses
so far presented have failed, or remain unproved, when physical theory is
properly applied." Orbiting The Sun, 1981, p.284. Ida,
Canup, & Stewart, "Many models have been proposed for the
formation of the Moon, but no one has succeeded in showing the formation
satisfactorily." Nature, V.389, 9/25/1997, p. 353 Nafi
Toksoz, M.I.T., "It's far easier to explain why the moon
shouldn't be there than to explain its existence.", Science 81, 3/81,
p.120. Stuart Ross Taylor, Lunar and Planetary Institute,
"The ultimate origin of the solar system's angular momentum remains
obscure." Solar System Evolution: A New Perspective Cambridge
University Press, p.53 "All in all, developing a theory of lunar origins
that could make sense of data obtained from the Apollo lunar landing
programme proved very difficult. So much so, in fact, that when I took a
class on our planetary system from Irvin Shapiro two decades ago, he joked
that the best explanation was observational error  the moon did not exist." Nature,
V.389, 9/25/1997, p.327

Demands Beginning,
A Creator

DEMANDS BEGINNING, Isaac Asimov, "As
far as we know, all changes are in the direction of increasing entropy, of
increasing disorder, of increasing randomness, of running down. Yet the
universe was once in a position from which it could run down for trillions of
years. How did it get into that position?" Science Digest, May
1973, pp.76-77 Paul C.W.Davies, Kings College, London, "The
greatest puzzle is where all the order in the universe came from originally.
How did the cosmos get wound up, if the Second Law of Thermodynamics predicts
asymmetric unwinding toward disorder?" Universe In Reverse," Second
Look, 1, 1979, p.27

ONE ADEQUATE CAUSE, H.J.Lipson,
Physics, U. of Manchester, "I think however that we should go further
than this and admit that the only accepted explanation is creation. I know
that is anathema to physicists, as it is to me, but we must not reject a
theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it.", Physics
Bulletin, Vol.31, 1980, p.138

POINTS TO CREATOR,G.J.Van Wylen, Richard
Sonntag, "...we see the second law of thermodynamics as a
description of the prior and continuing work of a creator, who also holds the
answer to our future destiny and that of the universe." Fundamentals
Of Classical Thermodynamics, 1985, p.232.