It took real courage for that Chinese guy to stand up to an entire brutal Communist regime. It takes no stones to bang drums all day long knowing that limp-wristed mayors do nothing to you. Personally, I'd put the fear of God into these jerks.

Guess what garabage? I still don't have a problem with waterboarding. Heck I'm peeved that they didn't use more old-fashioned tried and trusted techniques like shocking the genitals or cutting off one finger at a time.

Though it seems clear many of the Occupy folks are a clueless lot, I suspect that had the internet existed in the 1960s, we would have seen comments similar to the ones above following the posting of photographs of Negroes being hit with fire hose blasts.

Earthly power shows itself most like God's when mercy seasons justice. Mercy is mightiest in the mightiest, so said a lawyer lady some time back.

Apparently, the order to move was legal and given after a couple of hours of negotiation and the decision to stay and let the cops move them was given from someone in radio contact with the Occupiers to create a media event (haven't heard that one in 40 years).

Classic Uncle Saul, right out of the 60s.

And I'll bet that video is being applauded coast to coast by people sick and tired of the Occupation.

I like them all because they capture the attitude expressed by many towards our youth summed up by this comment: "The root of the problem can be found in their helicopter MadisonMan type parents. Spray those kids with systemic expulsions."

Yes students are suppose to be an open docile book and then after graduation maybe they can protest, or join the army or get a job because someone over 18 can not think for themselves, cannot consider the excessive force used at Berkeley as something to protest. This is the same old--Reminds me of the pejorative comments made about the students who worked in the civil rights movement- same old, same old.

I interpreted that differently. To me, it was God's second attempt at Creation. The instant captured was where God goes into get the rib to create Eve, but Man, knowing full well the shit women got us into last time, is showing his reluctance this time around.

'Pepper spray is the new waterboarding. "It's perfectly fine to use and it doesn't hurt that bad!"'

Every cop gets sprayed in training so they can arm with pepper-spray. And frankly it doesn't hurt that bad. Some people barely notice it, while others are fine after some water, or even better, saline wash in their eyes.

OWS is gonna have to work harder for their game-changing outrage . . .

Carrying your sports team anecdote a bit further..... you, of course know who is coming to Madison to play the Badgers this weekend in football. Go Nittany Lions!!! (BTW we are not that good. The OSU Buckeyes were worse.)

Few college students are so lucky to have learned so much about life so early.They enrolled to receive an education, and they're getting it.People who dare oppose totalitarian regimes have throughout history put themselves at risk of imprisonment or death. A few hours of discomfort hardly makes them martyr'sMaybe next time they'll take "the Man" a little more seriously.

Actually the only people who stand to lose their jobs here are public hacks so who cares. Ga-run-teed nobody in the private sector is dumb enough to do what those Campus Cops did. And I'm hoping the Chancellor has to go to.

And I thought the teargas house was pretty cool. Soak your undress blues with that stuff and you'ld be teared up all day. Those kids are wusses. In my day when that dumb public hack started spraying us down we would have jumped up and said "Right here dude" When I was an unruly youth in the 50's the cops used billy clubs. And your parents kicked your ass for getting in trouble with the cops.

To prepare you if you were captured and subjected to unfair treatment by the enemy? Sounds like you really don't want any part of that!

No, it's got nothing to do with being captured. They send you into the tear gas house with your mask and chem suit on to make sure you know how to wear your gear. If you don't feel the burn, you're doing it right.

Then they have you take off your mask and count to ten so that you feel the effect of the tear gas. This is to imprint something into your subconscious/reptile brain: Being gassed is not fun and your gear will protect you if wear it right.

Right you are Maguro. Problem being if you are wearing late 50's issue undress blues the gas soaks in. Then you form up and march off to navigation class or fieldstripping a tommy gun class and you are right back in the gas chamber. But these kids will never know anything about that.

"To prepare you if you were captured and subjected to unfair treatment by the enemy? Sounds like you really don't want any part of that!"

Nope. As part of our NBC (Nuclear Biological Chemical) warfare training. Later on during my USMC tour I got to experience tear gas in many more fun fun fun ways. And not always with a gas mask available either.

As for your question. Seriously. Who uses tear gas on prisoners unless they're trying to escape or rioting?

Being gassed is not fun and your gear will protect you if wear it right.

So the question is whether American citizens need to undergo some sort of chemical weapons training, as they do in the military, to prepare them if they choose to participate in democracy and maybe show up at a protest rally that is theoretically still protected under the First Amendment. Should they start seriously start to consider protective measures like gas masks to protect them against our government? Probably be good to know.

I ask that because I encountered about 40-60 pro Walker supporters at last Saturday's pro recall Walker rally. At first I wanted to mock them somehow, maybe because their numbers were small or whatever, then I thought I would join their side if the government wanted to make them go away with tear gas or pepper spray. Then I asked myself, "would they do the same thing" Then I asked myself "why does anyone have to worry about being gassed in American streets for something our Founders thought to put in our very first Amendment to our Constitution?"

Astonishingly enough I agree with edwardroyce.That might be because as an instructor in chemical warfare techniques I had to walk into a tear gas house every thirty days for two years.Personally I like to see the over privileged scum get some Golden Temple action.

And before anybody claims First Amendment protections let us have just a little analysis.1)Unlawful assembly on private property is an illegal act after you are warned for trespassing.2)Linking arms and refusing to obey lawful commands from the police constitutes resisting an officer without violence-a crime in my state.3) according to the Use of Force Matrix of the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement after lawful commands are disobeyed and simple physical procedures such as takedowns can not force compliance then either pain compliance techniques or chemical weapons are authorised in order to affect an arrest.The only problem legally I can see for the police at UC-Davis is complete ignorance and lack of support from the administration.Oh anf a failure to immediately lock up everyone who failed to comply.Of course they were significantly outnumbered.

Garage, that is -a- question. It may be -the- question for you. But I think edwardroyce's mention of the Marines was merely incidental to his recount of his own experiences with gas, and his take on the severity of the pain experienced by the sprayed protesters.

To be sure his comment is subjective, and might not speak to deeper issues of the propriety of the use of pepper spray, but it does address a question that -some- here are interested in.

Don't be quick to denigrate the -some-. -I'm- interested in what he said about his experiences. Your speaking of 'the' question makes me feel just that much less comfortable in asking him further about it.

The press attempt to gin up the outrage over this is drama queenery on crack. Brian Williams asks "what if it were your kid?" as if breaking the law is the sacred right of the special snowflakes that comprise OWS.

If that were my kid I'd laugh at him and ask him what did he think was going to happen if he disobeyed a cop telling him to quit trespassing? I would also be concerned that hhanging out with wannabe communists and that mob rule is ok.