yeah, one thing, i'm sure there's other things we did but it's the only one we ever hear about you guys only beat us in biggest shooting just last year, we held the record over you guys for the last 20 years

The strategic goal of the Vietnam war was to keep a capitalist vietnam state and prevent the propagation of communism in south-east asia.
South Vietnam ceased to exist, Vietnam as a whole was united under a communist regime.
So, the US did lose the vietnam war. Everything else is secondary. The war had a clear objective, and it was not achieved by the US.
You beat the **** out of the gooks, thats for sure. But that, at most, makes it a pyrrhic victory for the vietcong.
Its similar to "Hillary lost the election but won the popular vote". Its irrelevant. The objective was not to win the popular vote, in the same note the objective of the vietnam war was not to kick as many ass possible.

Yeah I think that's a clear part people don't realize. Obviously in military strength we could destroy Vietnam but it wasn't about wiping them off the face of the earth (which despite being half way around the globe we could have still done because they're ******* Vietnam)

Thats how you manipulate people. They think it's about emotions, when it's about cold psychopatic interest and profit. The same with immigrants now - "poor refugeeeeeeees", when in fact it's about bringing additional workforce.

Well historical correctness I guess. Personally I won't deny the lose, in fact I think there's much to learn from it. But I guess people don't like it when Europeans say we got our ass handed to us by a bunch of rice farmers with AK's, because there was much more to it than that. But when we also indulge in France surrender and Italian incompetence jokes there might be a price to pay. But yea, like I said I wouldn't put it like he did, we didn't just get bored and go home, we lost, but not in the way most people think we did. idk

well yea, because, as the content described, Americans are bad at banter

here's how it goes:

USA: Hahaha France surrender much? Your national flag is the white flag because you're always getting BTFO by Germany. We have to save you haha
USA: Hahaha UK still mad that we destroyed you singlehandedly in our independence war.
Some other country: Hahaha you got beaten by rice farmers.
USA: What the **** did you just say to me? Here's numerous historical articles detailing US public opinion and stress on the Nixon and Ford administrations from domestic groups that didn't support the war. Also here is a detailed list of how Vietnam was a total military victory that shows US and Vietnamese casualties in each conflict during the war.

It's more along the lines that the majority of posters on basically any site stems from the US. With this being said we seem most active on 4chan, here, and other sites in regards to making fun of stereotypes of other nations because we are the majority. When 80% of a site is composed of one nationality how common would it be to see that nationality doing something you are pinpointing? Same can be said for defending the Vietnam War. A lot of people don't give a ****, but some do and will defend it. Just so happens we have hundreds of thousands more in the pool that is 4chan or FJ at any given time to ********/defend back. So it just happens that a few come out to defend it.

Bitch hol up. We beat the vietnamese so hard they couldn't tell rice from maggots. What was it 1.2 million dead vietnamese compared to 58,220 american deaths? We had established air and sea superiority. We held the country and wiped out the VC in the tet offensive.

Had it not been for the hippies and the media, southern vietnam would be here. If Ford honored the promise Nixon made and given the ARVN the air support they needed the NVA would not have gotten so bold and marched into saigon

Nobody won or lost that war. We withdrew because china was going to get involved and help fight against us. It would have sparked another world war and we couldnt continue any further. If we stayed WITHOUT china being involved we would have won. We were forced to pull out in order to stop a world war.

The problem is we were not fighting a country, but an idea. A country in a head to head fight? they wouldn't stand a chance against us with the exception of China and Russia. Ideas however are very very hard to kill, even now as communism is on it's last legs it's somehow gaining popularity in the ignorant progressive groups.

The best way i can go about explaining it was that was a battle in all but name, it was a battle against communism: an idea and it was a battle we had to give up on. At the end of the day though we won the real war- the cold war. and our system succeeded over communism.

people have been watering down what the word "war" actually means. It is strictly a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state. So even though we were backing South Vietnam which lost it would be much closer to conceding a chess piece than losing a chess match.

You won with communism, but it comes back?. LIke you said - it's an idea. You can't win with communism, because the other option is feudalism. And noone wants that. You might implement some form of "feudalism with a human face" like capitalism, but the second few own everything and everyone notices that they own no wealth and power - masses will rebel, with whatever the "commie" system they'll implement.

Even if it's an idea It's a lot like killing diseases. It can be slowly dying out but then a bunch of retards refuse to vaccinate their children causing a resurgence. Well in this case a social justice movement goes way out of hand and a bunch of retards who don't know the second thing about communism think they support it.

Even china is slowly giving up on communism because capitalism gives you much more wealth.

Capitalism: gives 95% of the population a better life at the cost of maybe 5%
Communism: gives 5% of the population a better life at the cost of maybe 95%.

wow you sure got me capitalism is the real ****** up system here. Secondly of all feudalism is fundamentally different you keep trying to compare them when they are not comparable what so ever. Saying it was abolished is funny because it wasn't it's like putting down the stone axe for a metal one, stone axes aren't illegal you just wont see anyone actually using one for serious work.

I think you mixed the names there, capitalism is the one with down to up wealth transfer, socialism is the one with up to down. And yes, you compare communism with feudalism, and capitalism with socialism. Better read a little more yourself.

It's not an argument, you are intentionally saying things that are factually wrong. You are either an 11 year old with absolutely no knowledge of either system. or you are intentionally ***********. This is gonna be my last response because there's no real point.

You were fighting an army of peasants mate. The firepower advantage was 100% yours. It's crazy how much you think you can blame everything on leftists. The leftists at home were ******* correct - America had no right whatsoever being there.

The reason why America lost was because the Vietnamese came to Completely despise the American invaders. Having the people on your side is a huge advantage, not having them is a great disadvantage. Americans would slaughter villages of civilians because they would refuse to rat out the Viet cong. They could never get a decent hold on any of Vietnam, they thought they could win the war by just slaughtering everything in site.

******** on America for "losing" Vietnam is like giving a guy **** for losing a fight when his supposed "friend" was holding him back for 90% of it. It would've been a resounding victory if not for treacherous leftists on the home front and the sensationalist media giving too much attention to the opposition. There's a reason why the US government kept the media on a MUCH shorter leash during all of our subsequent wars.

No he's right, Only reason the North won was because we completely pulled out after the peace agreement. The North saw how strong our citizens opposition to the war was and decided to try there luck, Betting we would stay out of it. Without US support the North rolled over the south. We had accomplished out goals. It was bad enough that our men lost there lifes over something so terrible, But it's worse it all ended up being for nothing just because we wouldn't follow through

We were indeed kicking ass. We were kicking so much ass that china said "**** you stop kicking my litle bro's ass". If we kept going china would have joined and it would be another world war. Combined with the hippies we were forced to back out.

"According to a December 2005 forecast by Goldman Sachs, the Vietnamese economy will become the world's 21st-largest by 2025, with an estimated nominal GDP of $436 billion and a nominal GDP per capita of $4,357."

You mean when they were completely rebuilding their country after it got napalm'd to ashes? Of course they ain't gonna build themselves up over night, it's not how it works.
They used policies that were the most adequate back then and now they use updated policies, that's why they're doing alright after being devastated, they know how to be pragmatic.

this list is not intended for any thumb whoring, what you guys do or not do is on you.
this list is half for people to come comment as other lists would be used on content, just this is for commenting about a specific **** poster

the other half is just to see how many people actually dislike this dude

Stopped name-dropping every person you have ever befriended on this site when it is irrelevant to the content
Stopped posting clippets from articles online when they're irrelevant to the content
Stopped posting full-length videos when they're irrelevant to the content
Stopped with the ******* deforestation porn

Stop acting like a *******, and people will stop dropping mention lists on your comments telling you to kill yourself. It's that easy, Murr.

The point I'm trying to make is that America can't control the word, no matter how much they try. All the good intentions you can muster are not going to undo centuries of corruption and brainwashing in these areas. As soon as one country nears democracy and peace it falls apart and goes to **** again. You may have "won the war" but you won't win it forever.

Well true, we would have destroyed them if they did not have the determination and resolve to carry on despite being out gunned and facing an enemy far more advanced than themselves. The US should have won by statictics alone

the issue was really nothing on the military side. it was the people at home. the american people have a history of not liking extended wars. look at the middle east where we crushed the iraqi forces and spent the next 8 or so years fighting members of terrorist groups.

Partly correct, the United States army won almost all battles and engagements during the war and the intense bombing campaign of North Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia destroyed North Vietnam's infrastructure combined with the utter failure of the Tet offensive which destroyed the North army organization let Nixon win the war in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords which ended the war with South Vietnam being independent after Northern Aggression.

The Unites States democrat controlled congress then passed the Case Church amendment which blocked all further funding for South Vietnam in the event of new aggression which is thorough a backstab to South Vietnam de facto ending the alliance which led to a new all out offensive by the North.

So the US won the war thanks to US Military and Nixon ruthless bombing campaign (Johnson would stop bombing and let the north rebuild in the hope of gaining favor with Hanoi) and then the US lost the war because congress sold out South Vietnam for political capital at best or for being traitors at worst.

Yeah I don't know if defending South Vietnam was correct or not. Sorry for rude first post.

Where the US did fck up and make a mistake was supporting the French occupation of Indochina when Ho Chi Minh first asked America for help for getting Independence especially when it was CIA who trained Vietminh to begin with.

I recommend watching www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhyiJK5_waI It goes through how the US won the war then lost it because of democrat politician ending the alliance with South Vietnam by cutting their funding while North Vietnam at that moment was receiving unlimited funds from China/USSR, it is funny though that North Vietnam and China and Cambodia would wage war against each other after US left.

People kill each other just fine with or without you Americans helping them, which is something I think most people on the left refuse to acknowledge.

You share a very similar opinion as I do, we helped the Vietnamese against the Japanese than stabbed them in the back in order to support the French, forcing them to go to the USSR for support... But once again it is impossible to foresee future consequences and it's easy to judge past rulers when you know what will occur.

They did win in 1973 with paris peace accords, then case church amendment nullified USA commitment to the treaty which the North Vietnamese gambled that the US democrap controlled congress would adhere to the amendment when they invaded the second time. Learn history yo