Seriously, what is "confused" about an ideology (or religion, or anything else that seeks out to connect to people, to convince and to convert them to its cause) using whatever medium there is/can be found among the wide array of (pop) culture?

Charlie and his Orchestra were a Nazi-sponsored German propaganda swing band. Jazz music styles were seen by Nazi authorities as rebellious but ironically, propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels conceived of using the style in shortwave radio broadcasts aimed at the United States and (particularly) the United Kingdom.

Seriously, what is "confused" about an ideology (or religion, or anything else that seeks out to connect to people, to convince and to convert them to its cause) using whatever medium there is/can be found among the wide array of (pop) culture?

It's not just pop culture though is it? It's black ghetto culture. Seems as ludicrous to me as a WP reggae band. I mean where do you draw the line? White Power weed? Whatever floats your boat. I see where you're coming from but I can't help but find it a bit funny (not you or your points, but the topic)

I don't like DS so I don't see the point with paying to see them, this obviously isn't a skinhead meeting with one random metal band thrown into the bill so your argument is pointless. I'm a regular at RAC gigs/festivals in Italy/Croatia/Serbia and trust me on that the amount of metalheads there is slim or non-existing.

Fuck those who want to separate!
I don't care how many metalheads are involved in RAC meetings or how many skinheads come to see metal or black metal gigs.
Dear nk7 if you dislike NSBM or Pagan Black Metal 'coz it's too antichristian for your religious feelings ,go elsewhere!

Then on your avatar there is a Forza Nuova old flag (FN). Do you know what is FN ?

Well,
exists in Serbia : Forza Nuova ?

Forza Nuova is supposed to be a very Catholic pro-vatican ,right-wing party. At least in Italy.
From a Serbian ForzaNovista...Where do you militate in Serbia in your fucking church to bless the hosts ?

You cannot understand what is black metal ,figure, what is NSBM. So please return to your church to praise your fucking lord and not disturbing with your pathetic bullshit.

Musically I wouldn't mind seeing Der Sturmer, but even if this did go ahead without problems, the prospect of standing in a room full of London's Eastern European skinhead mongs 'sieg heiling' at the stage and fighting one another is well beyond ridiculous and not worth a second of my time. I'll stick to my records.

I don't know the venue and the local scene but somehow I doubt proper skinheads have any interest in witnessing a black metal band. The big majority of skins I know/hang out with just dont like that kind of music so what you'll most likely see is more or less the same sad spectacle you would find at any regular bm event = a bunch of emaciated, skinny 20yo scenesters proudly wearing that "support your local einsatzkommando" shirt while being happy they can enjoy their "I smoke pot and still am NS" facade publicly for one night.

when i booked Anal Cunt, one nazi skin came out and was seig heiling at the front. This was to the picnic of love set too. he was told to stop being a dick head then sulked off. I remember meeting the driver/some sort of organiser of the GBK/DNS uk gig and he was talking to me about the troubles they had with the UK gig. But then again this guy was probably one of the worst "humans" ive ever had the displeasure of meeting, shame it went ahead if he was involved, haha.

My reasons for disliking nsbm have nothing to do with that. I think most bands from that musical context are either worthless and rely on their dubious stances/actions to make up for their lack of artistic qualities (old Absurd, DS, SW etc) or standard generic bm that nobody except for that Zone retard would ever give two shits about were it not for the ns gimmick (Aryan Terrorism). But even that isn't my main concern with the genre, I just refuse to take metal people into far right politics seriously. I have yet to see one of them ever take part to an irl political debate or be personally involved in a demonstration that is an inch more concrete than internet talk. I'm in regular touch with activists from most para-ns organizations from both my fatherland and my present place and the amount of nsbm/bm fans involved is virtually non-existing, there's that Greek guy from Naer mataron (I believe) who's in Golden Dawn but thats about it. No nsbm people ever show up at the public demonstrations we organize with FN or the other groups we cohoperate with (mind you, several of them have no christian ties at all, so spare me the "they don't come because they don't like Catholic scum" excuse).

Last, having known enough metal people for the past 25 years I can positively state their lifestyle hardly combines with the values of far right organizations. I'm sure the situation abroad is completely different and longhaired scum are regulars at NPD, Noua Dreapta, GD etc meetings but until proved otherwise I'll remain skeptical. I mean, seriously, come on:

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You cannot understand what is black metal/NSBM

I haven't read the book yet._________________Permabanned

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Musically I wouldn't mind seeing Der Sturmer, but even if this did go ahead without problems, the prospect of standing in a room full of London's Eastern European skinhead mongs 'sieg heiling' at the stage and fighting one another is well beyond ridiculous and not worth a second of my time. I'll stick to my records.

I don't know the venue and the local scene but somehow I doubt proper skinheads have any interest in witnessing a black metal band. The big majority of skins I know/hang out with just dont like that kind of music so what you'll most likely see is more or less the same sad spectacle you would find at any regular bm event = a bunch of emaciated, skinny 20yo scenesters proudly wearing that "support your local einsatzkommando" shirt while being happy they can enjoy their "I smoke pot and still am NS" facade publicly for one night.

when i booked Anal Cunt, one nazi skin came out and was seig heiling at the front. This was to the picnic of love set too. he was told to stop being a dick head then sulked off. I remember meeting the driver/some sort of organiser of the GBK/DNS uk gig and he was talking to me about the troubles they had with the UK gig. But then again this guy was probably one of the worst "humans" ive ever had the displeasure of meeting, shame it went ahead if he was involved, haha.

Exceptions exist of course. As mentioned most skinheads I know/am friends with just dislike the music and hardly dig any extreme metal at all. They would listen to AC/DC and Motorhead but when I tried playing them some harder stuff it usually was a "biting a lemon" kind of expression on their faces. Mind you, these are mainly people in their 30ies-40ies so may be that's just not the kind of music they grew up with, perhaps it's different with young fans._________________Permabanned

Don't dwell too much on the origins, where it came from and who started with it at first. That's misleading in this context. You should look at where it ended up to be (the charts) in the long run, and who is listening to it more than anyone else (White urban middle-class kids instead of black ghetto dwellers).

If you consider the many Hip Hop-fans who are White Kids, then it does make perfect sense to give them their music but to replace the Black "ghetto gangstas" with White "NS revolutionaries", or else. They dig the music first and foremost and are less concerned with who is the interpreter, is he Black or White or Green or whatever; so, if you want to reach out to them, then use an approach they will surely go along with.

Last but not least, I don't see how Blacks could have copyrighted Hip Hop even if they were the first ones making this music. Also Black Metal is not owned by Whites exclusively, as we all know. Every music or subculture can be co-opted at some point, even though it appaears contradictory to say the least. Not saying I am a fan of "NS Hip Hop" but yes, it does make sense from a purely propagandistic point of view._________________Solitary Elitism: www.darker-than-black.com
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