COD hasn't had a new game in years, just the same game rehashed. that is why it gets bashed.

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Still no reason to bash them though, if they manage to sell the same game to the same customer repeatedly, then they are marketing it right. Bashing them because they have done something right becomes jealous rage. Sensible people who enjoys BFBC more than COD/MW should not engage in such childish activities.

Still no reason to bash them though, if they manage to sell the same game to the same customer repeatedly, then they are marketing it right. Bashing them because they have done something right becomes jealous rage. Sensible people who enjoys BFBC more than COD/MW should not engage in such childish activities.

Well the publisher's are obviously in a showdown, let's join and spice it up a bit

Technically , i saw the whole IW/ATVI clusterfuck , it was actually the devs them selfs that made MW2 a crap game ... in revenge , on the way out ... they knew they'll makes sales just fine ... but pissed off the PC, it just made activision so bad image, IW itself owned by ATVI so it doesn't make difference at what you bash ... because , problems at IW started when COD4 was finished, soon after Co-Founder Grant Collier went missing and erased him self from the gaming world, no trace of him. ... so MW2 was developed without grant collier , which was the guy who was promoting the PC version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMfTR8PBrsE

Ok though I am big and fair enough to give credit where credit is due and this was a great, smart and useful idea on the part of the MW3 devs on a couple of levels. Unlike the 4chan post.

Though DICE doesn't need to do anything like this to make a kick ass, very well received PC game.

Edit: Ok this guy seems to not only be smart but a pretty class act. Granted, he's not gonna trash DICE in this thread, that's common sense, but he seems sincere and his answer makes sense.

Why should I buy MW3 instead of Battlefield 3?

You should be buying both because they both will be stellar games. I refuse to say one ill word of Battlefield 3 or DICE because I think they're both fantastic and am good friends with several of the guys on the team.
If you are a shooter fan, they are both fantastic games to own because of one reason. They are different.
Each do their own thing in a fantastic way and it is refreshing to have the option for both styles.

It sure is and it thus appears as though that is why the dinosaur appears so prominently at the beginning of the trailer. And it being there doesn't make a whole lot of sense otherwise...

As for dedicated servers, the dude says over at Reddit that he wants them and that they "are in discussions to see how they could and would be supported" (to paraphrase) but that he can't comment officially one way or another at this time.

I wouldn't hold my breath, but it's possible. Especially as the competition so much fiercer this time around.

If their willing to ask 4 chan do you think they'd listen to us if we made a list of requests for the next one?

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IMO -- they went to ask 4chan on ideas on how to make MW3 'the best'. 4chan+'serious business' dont mix. the fact that the rep even posted on 4chan and not in tech forums similar to TPU and Guru3d says to me she wasnt going to take suggestions seriously anyway or even looking for serious answers. everyone knows 4chan is full of idiots. and the amount of trolling she got goes to prove my point.

got serious questions? want some serious feedback or suggestions? then post on a forum thats more civilized and has some admins or mods in place to keep everything in suitable order.

against my better judgment im going to allow this obviously trolling thread to continue on the condition people dont start name calling. if you do name call and then i infract you for it and you claim you didnt know i wrote this post then that is your own fault and i will award you another 5 points.

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I wondered when you would tune in Could get interesting no doubt.
They don't even have my age category in there. Discrimination

I don't know why so much MW bashing here. Personally I find both games very entertaining (although I didn't play either "hardcore"), but I think MW is much better as a "crowd fun game" and BFBC2 more "serious". Perhaps that is why MW has a younger fanbase, its easier to pick up and be "good" at it. Also, to me, BFBC fans of who compare BFBC with MW insults BFBC to say the least, the game deserves more respect than that, just like people comparing PvZ with Starcraft 2 to prove that Sc2 is superior.

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Because the differences between CoD 4 and Black Ops is small, and those games are made years apart. The difference between BC2 and just BF3 are massive. The game is actually making a step forward. Activision got their foot in the door first with the console players, and thats why they are where they are, most people I know that play CoD play it on console and won't even try Battlefield, the ones that have quit playing CoD. So I guess you could say, we hate Activision for what they do to their customers, but the real problem is the customers, but we can't have a thread just making fun of all the idiots who buy the same game year after year, because if we did, then all of you that play would get offended.

Have you played Arica Harbor Conquest? Or Panama Canal? Theres quite a few fast paced BC2 maps. But they have direction, rotating spawns are stupid. And why use MW3 as an example, CoD 4, CoD WaW, CoD MW 2, CoD MW 3, CoD BO, whats the real differences, not much.

He's the devil of the gaming industry. He's responsible for the Tony Hawk series, Guitar Hero series, and now CoD series, notice the similar trait with them all? Also here's a few qoutes from him....

"With respect to the franchises that don’t have the potential to be exploited every year across every platform with clear sequel potential that can meet our objectives of over time becoming $100 million plus franchises, that’s a strategy that has worked very well for us."

"And again, our strategy, narrow and deep, focus on properties that will sell to a very broad consumer base on the console -- those are strategies that seem to work well."

"there will continue to be opportunities for us to exploit the PC platform in ways that we haven’t yet."

"We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."

"I think we definitely have been able to instill the culture, the skepticism and pessimism and fear that you should have in an economy like we are in today. And so, while generally people talk about the recession, we are pretty good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."

"If you think about the success that we've had in other product categories on subscription, you can get a sense of the direction that we want to take that franchise" (Concerning Call of Duty franchise)

"And Tony, you know if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further."

IMO -- they went to ask 4chan on ideas on how to make MW3 'the best'. 4chan+'serious business' dont mix. the fact that the rep even posted on 4chan and not in tech forums similar to TPU and Guru3d says to me she wasnt going to take suggestions seriously anyway or even looking for serious answers. everyone knows 4chan is full of idiots. and the amount of trolling she got goes to prove my point.

got serious questions? want some serious feedback or suggestions? then post on a forum thats more civilized and has some admins or mods in place to keep everything in suitable order.

posting on 4chan was a stupid idea.

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If she would have posted here I would have made it my life long mission to derail that thread to hell and back.

Kurgan is essentially right. He is unabashed in his embrace of profit over all else including, essentially, integrity and as such does a fair amount of harm to the industry and genre in terms of what people expect a quality gaming experience to be.

To be fair isn't there a game based on the half life engine where the nazi's have dinosaurs

I have to agree though dinosaurs would be a stupid addition to mw3, now battlefield 3, since it has a destructible environment I would love to smash through buildings on a dino.

If their willing to ask 4 chan do you think they'd listen to us if we made a list of requests for the next one?

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Um I really can't tell if you're serious or not so I guess that's all I say about this other than that I can't get Dino D-Day to run on my damn machine and I'm pissed. But that's neither here nor there as far as this thread is concerned either.

Kurgan is essentially right. He is unabashed in his embrace of profit over all else including, essentially, integrity and as such does a fair amount of harm to the industry and genre in terms of what people expect a quality gaming experience to be.

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You do realise that BFBC and COD/MW have different target audiences right? BFBC is primarily targeted at more mature players who value teamwork and realism while COD/MW is targeted at young teens whose parents gave them more money than they can spend sensibly. And from that information, you cannot say that COD/MW harms the industry, but rather train them for the hardships and immense satisfaction they will get when they finally migrate from mindless spraying to educated sniping.

While the game is similar outwardly, we all can see that the two games are completely different animal all together in terms of gameplay - comparable to the difference between driving a Rolls Royce and a Pagani Zonda. There is no right or wrong here, there is just a matter of opinion. Both of the games are good and fun, but one is clearly superior in pretty much all other category.