Status report

New question...Do we further break down categories? Like toons/big toons and toons/shorts, toons/powered by the cheat etc, etc, etc? Is this possible, or should they all be lumped together under the blanket "Toons" category? -- AgentSeethroo 21:19, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, I suppose we could. Have everything in the "Toons" category, and then the ones in the puppet listing could go in the puppets category, and the ones in the powered by The Cheat category could go in that category, and so forth. -- Tom 09:00, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)

what would the code for that look like? -- AgentSeethroo 12:21, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)

You'd just add it to more than one category. Like [[Category:Toons]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]] and so forth. The pages would then show up in both categories. -- Tom 14:14, 7 Aug 2004 (MST)

Experimental Film

Should Experimental Film go under PbtC as well, or does it violate Once And Only Once? I think it should go under the Powered by the Cheat category (btw, how do you link to a category page), but what about the list on this page? -- InterruptorJones 08:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

I don't think having something in more that one category would violate Once And Only Once. But is it categorized like that on the Toons menu on h*r.com? And I think when ever you link to a category page ([[Category:Toons]]), that page you linked to it from is put into that category. -- Tom 09:15, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

this and all others are for some reason, long. even the 56 second ones

Static Fun Fact

Uh... I see no profile shot of a man in the "static" easter egg. Anyone want to direct me towards it or upload a picture? -- FireBird|Talk 01:28, 18 Nov 2004 )UTC)

I don't see it either. Methinks someone was cloud watching and this is an image known only to them. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but perhaps it doesn't belong in the easter eggs. :) --Southpaw018 18:41, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Questions

This is like, the dumbest question ever. How do the bros chaps make the toons? --24.136.225.226 23:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No Picture?

Just a quick question, why is there no picture for the Toons page anymore? Does it have to do with modem users? --Homsar999ß 17:33, 1 May 2005 (CDT)

maybe it should have one of those little background pictures.

The Joy of Painting

Dear HrWiki,
While examining the toons menu, i looked at the small DVD's in the left-hand corner of the page. Now, I dunno if you have already recognised this, but it seems that if you roll your mouse over the "Joy of Painting" DVD all the way to the right, you can see Marzipan silently painting. It goes on for hours. There's really not much you can do.

I tried to mention that as an easter egg on the page, but a fascist removed it. I also tried to mention that the TV Guide (actually TV Talk) cover is clickable and changes each time you click it. BTW, that silently painting man is Bob Ross who hosted a show on PBS called The Joy of Painting. --216.128.236.83 02:01, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Channel IDs

Does anybody really taken any real notice of the black and white ratings boxes that appear before the titles of the toons? You know, DMP A Folky Tale, and BUG Bug in Mouth Disease? An anonny started a new section for the ratings, but I think it would be better to put the three letter rating before the titles of the toons on this page. For example:

Toons/Shorts?

Yahoo or Yo?

The "YHO" for The System is Down formerly claimed to be based on Yahoo!, since I mistakenly thought there was a link to Yahoo! or a mention of Search pages on the IE error page. Okay, so that one's wrong. It got changed to, "The System is Down, y[h]o", but that would make this the only one to add unnecessary letters instead of shortening or changing. I'm not sure that the new one is any better than the last. Thoughts? --Jay(Talk) 19:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

If you look at The System is Down page, there's a fun fact about this toon appearing while H*R was still on Yahoo, or something like that. I think the YHO as Yahoo makes sense. --DorianGray

Maybe that was my logic. I am a scatterbrain, after all... What was I talking about? :) --Jay(Talk) 20:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Longest cartoon

You may see a pattern here, but I'm going to suggest you make a little personal study; you could examine all the lengths to see. (But perhaps it isn't worth that.) —AbdiViklas 06:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Second or Last?

I think preview looks going being in the first column. There's your pic of the toon, and you can preview it too, before watching it. Then there's the article right after. But its' up to you guys. The back could maybe work too, I guess. You can finish up here too, if you want. I gotta head out and do stuff. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 00:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it looks better at the end (and that's where external links usually go). That way, there's not two links next to each other, and the picture and the article title are right next to each other, instead of having a link between them. — It's dot com 00:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

External links are usually put at the end - I prefer it in the last column. - Joshua

Intro Screenshots

I think it would be cool if we used this program to make animated screenshots from the actual previews of the flash files into animated gifs.EdSmilde

Interesting idea, but it would be a lot of work, would take away from actually watching the real SWF file, and likely falls into the grey area of Copyright issues that have become a hot topic as of late. --Stux 05:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh! I get what it does now. Unfortunately you have to pay for it. :( At least it would be as much work, but again i'm kinda iffy about it. --Stux 22:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

The first thing that came to my mind when I read the Intro to this article was "NPOV!!!" (i.e. "The Toons are glorious and magnificent..."). It's funny how much Wikipedia has taken over our minds. Terlet Brush 20:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

LOL; yup, if ever there was an evil repressive regime of mind-control and obfuscation it's Wikipedia. But seriously, good point about the NPOV; I sorta fixed it. —AbdiViklas 21:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

newest toon menu preview

I have been unable to come up with the URL for the preview swf. Can someone dig that up? I R F 15:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Rock, Rock On!

If TBC makes another Cheat Commandos toon, it had better get its own section on the remote. I think PBTC should be in shorts, it's so random anyhow. Cheat Commandos deserves its own section, since A)It has recurring characters, and B)There's already 4 of them. Thoughts? Saladman 13:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats not a bad idea. But they most likely won't.--H*bad 14:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

"Let Us Give TANKS!" in Holiday table

"Let Us Give TANKS!" hasn't been added to the Holiday Toons table yet. I don't want to do it myself because I don't have a Flash decompiler, and I don't know what the URL to the preview clip is. -- Sentroyd

Rearrange

TBC need to rearrange their toons. Perhaps any toon under three minutes should be considered a short and three minutes and up a big toon.

Move to Big Toons

No Hands On Deck

Commandos In the Classroom

TrogdorCon '97

Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer

Experimental Film

Lookin' At A Thing In A Bag

Move to Shorts

Parsnips A-Plenty

The Reddest Radish

The King of Town DVD

This isn't how "shorts" work. "Shorts" are more of a "slice of life" toon, regardless of length, while the "big toons" more tell a story. --DorianGray

Besides, we are in no position to tell TBC how to do their business. We document what they do. - Qermaq - (T/C) 04:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

New Stuff?

Anyone notice a new vhs tape in the corner? It says "NEW STUFF" and currently has TGS12 and the last 3 SBEmails.
Dr. Clash 10:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right — Way to notice this! So, I guess this info needs to be incorporated into this page (and the image needs to be updated), and TV Time Toons Menu also needs an update... Trey56 10:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

How could we make the new 2007 toons page on that secret VHS tape easter egg? I mean, it has a TGS, plus 3 extra SBemails. -Viklas 17:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

New Stuff News

Hmm... I propose moving the "New Stuff" table to the New Stuff page. Otherwise this page will soon become even longer than it already is, and some things will likely be listed twice. Thoughts? --DorianGray

We should take one of two approaches, depending on TBC's plans for the New Stuff. If the New Stuff grows to the point that it becomes a huge long list, then the whole thing should move to its own page. If, on the other hand, TBC keep the list relatively short (older stuff disappears after a while), then we should keep whatever is actually on the New Stuff menu on the Toons page, and archive the rest on the New Stuff page. — It's dot com 16:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I could go with that. I think they probably will keep it somewhat short... Coz, after all, stuff does cease to be "new" after a while, yes? --DorianGray

If they do keep the list short (which they probably will) it'd probably be worth mirroring the "Preview" clips, like we do with the QotW et al. I doubt they'll stick around... --phlipTC 13:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Has enough time passed to revisit this quesion? Do we believe that TBC will start removing items from the New Stuff menu anytime soon? — It's dot com 22:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that enough time has passed — it seems clear to me that TBC are not planning to remove new items from the list anytime soon (though they may at some point in the future). As a result, I think that it seems unnecessary to have the exact same table information on these "new" toons reproduced verbatim, especially on the same page.

However, I'm not even sure we need to compile these toons at New Stuff — can we just add an indicator next to the items on this page? (e.g., an asterisk * linked to a footnote, or something like that) Trey56 23:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think we have to maintain a complete list somewhere, as Strong Bad Emails and Marzipan's Answering Machines aren't listed elsewhere (at least not in the same form as on the toon menu). — It's dot com 00:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

True, I had forgotten that SBEs and MAMs aren't listed elsewhere — in that case, I support moving that table to New Stuff. It's kind of a sparse page anyway. Trey56 00:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think TBC will remove the current New Stuff in January next year. Also, besides just mirroring the previews, could someone save the files of the actual toons menu so they could read the page titles of the SBEs, MAMs, and TGSs? Homestar-Winner(talk) 01:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The official what? I don't think there's any reason to always use the same screenshot. Sometimes they're the same; sometimes they're not, and I daresay that, every now and then, our screenshot is more interesting. — It's dot com 23:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It's just that everything else on the page—names, descriptions, running times etc.—match the menu. --Trogga 23:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Column Widths

I don't know if this has been brought up but I wanted to bring it up soon. As in the Fonts page, I believe that this page would look better if all the columns had the same width throughout. However, with the advent of tables, things get a little complicated. Case in point: our "standard" way of fixing table widths no longer works when applied to sorted tables. Is there a way to force separate tables to have the same column widths without having to hard code those values? (Alternatively, we could hard code all but one column value.) --Stux 19:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

New Boots

the new boots one doesn't really have a preview. TheThingé 20:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Most recent toons

I've noticed that the most recent toons thing at the very bottom does not have rotten eggs as the newest holiday toon and also doesn't have the homestar runner gets something stuck in his craw as the newest short. How can I change that???--Luckystar27 20:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Missing Play Date

I've checked it a few times now, and Play Date is not listed in the Shorts section on the official site. It's called a Short on the main page, so I'm guessing this is an oversight, but I thought I'd point it out here anyway, since we've already listed it in the Shorts section on this page. — It's dot com 02:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Make-up work.

In just the first half of the year alone, there have been more Big Toons since 2006. At this rate, there going for a record high. Is this notable? And is this make-up for no Toons in '07? --Jellote 19:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

While it's not notable, I'm sure that this has more to do with the ending of both SBCG4AP and Strong Bad emails. Most of the later SBEmails would clock in around 4~5 minutes, which is the typical length of Toons. I think it also has to do with now TBC are more comfortable working with longer pieces. wbwolf (t | ed) 19:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Where my link is at?

Is there some way we can make, using the formatting template, Where My Hat Is At? (short) point to the correct article without having to append the little "(short)" at the end, since we're trying to replicate how it appears in the TV Toons Menu? wbwolf (t | ed) 19:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Just type the link in the box, but add a pipe at the end, like this: [[Where My Hat Is At? (short)|]] The system will automatically generate a piped link as a result. —MichaelXX2 20:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. You meant the template on the page. You just had to use the {{!}} template and format it like this: Where My Hat Is At? (short){{!}}Where My Hat Is At? —MichaelXX2 20:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Updating

do you guys think that maybe we should put a new picture of the toons menu, since they put up Xeriously Forxe and the new main page, or is it not worth it? SteakStyles 14:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's worth updating the image ever at all unless something significantly changes about the menu (e.g. the addition of the New Stuff option). --DorianGray 22:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we never ever change the menu just becuause a new toon came out. That would be pointless and annoying to do. Rondleman!Stuff I did.Talk. 20:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Older menu descriptions

An anonny recently added information about the older menu descriptions, though the formatting was poor and confusing. The full diff can be viewed here. My suggestion would be a separate column or line in the same column. Either way, it'll be a lot of work to do, so i'm posting the diff and talk post here so that it doesn't completely disappear into oblivion. — Defender1031*Talk 18:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the biggest reason I removed it was because I didn't remember that there ever were any older descriptions and didn't know where anonny got them (still don't). But, yeah, that formatting had to go. Maybe italicize the old descriptions (in full! Not inline!) or put them in a separate column or something, but not a weird (parentheses) [brackets] word/word format. --Jay(Talk) 18:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The old descriptions come from a previous version of the toons menu. They should be put back right away. This is a wiki. We don't remove good-faith additions just because they're poorly formatted. We fix them or live with it until someone comes along who will. — It's dot com 19:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Dot com on this matter: if it's legitimate H*R information, then it should not be deleted merely because it's poorly formatted. The cleanup tag should be sufficient for now. We just have to make sure we cover all new edits when fixing the formatting or coming up with a new one. --Stux 21:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

If I may, why not create an "Old TV Time Toons Menu" article, move all the relevant info about the old version off "TV Time Toons Menu", add the available toons with the older descriptions to "Old TV Time Toons Menu article", and call it a day? The Toons article should keep it's focus on all known current toons with current descriptions. — Ngamer01 22:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I dunno about that. It probably wouldn't have occurred to me that there were minor (yet interesting) differences between the two versions if someone hadn't put them side-by-side. — It's dot com 00:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Also agree that authentic H*R information needs to be included and, if the format is poor, fixed, not reverted. Heimstern Läufer 00:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)