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Alright this thread had jumped the track and I am at least partially responsible for that. As the senior moderator on this forum, I set a bad precedent with my comments. I owe you guys better, I failed and I apologize.

My drinking problem, your guys' drinking problems and the drinking problems of Matt Russell or anyone else employed by the Denver Broncos is not a subject that the Webmaster allows to be discussed here.

We need to try again.

That said let's move the topic of conversation back to how Matt Russel's DUI arrest affects the Denver Broncos football team._________________big_palooka:

bhslinebacker wrote:

AAA is right, as he usually is.

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Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home._________________

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Very pertinent questions. Anyone who drinks by themselves to a 2.46 and casually gets in to his truck to drive while obviously incapacitated has serious issues. And even if that were not the case, why would anyone allow him to get in a car while inebriated to such a level?

As a AAA mentioned earlier there are rumors abound about Russell's drinking habits but this is just taking irresponsibility to the highest level. I went back and forth on twitter today with Tom Nalen who seemed to be blaming the Broncos more so than Russell but he eventually changed his tune.

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Frisco's quite a party town , summer and winter. Probably a combination of bars and parties.

Just a guess, but I'd imagine with friends that have been there before IE: ever tried to take Matts keys from him?

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Frisco's quite a party town , summer and winter. Probably a combination of bars and parties.

Just a guess, but I'd imagine with friends that have been there before IE: ever tried to take Matts keys from him?
Probably a good thing he got caught. Should be a real life changer.

I certainly hope so. He has a bright future ahead and has had opportunities afforded that not too many others have been lucky enough to get.

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Very pertinent questions. Anyone who drinks by themselves to a 2.46 and casually gets in to his truck to drive while obviously incapacitated has serious issues. And even if that were not the case, why would anyone allow him to get in a car while inebriated to such a level?

As a AAA mentioned earlier there are rumors abound about Russell's drinking habits but this is just taking irresponsibility to the highest level. I went back and forth on twitter today with Tom Nalen who seemed to be blaming the Broncos more so than Russell but he eventually changed his tune.

I do get what Tom Nalen was saying there and I agree with him. Certainly, Russell is to blame first and foremost for this. However, Nalen's comments that had the Heckert DUI been dealt with properly by the organization, there is a chance Russell thinks twice before getting behind the wheel last weekend._________________big_palooka:

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Very pertinent questions. Anyone who drinks by themselves to a 2.46 and casually gets in to his truck to drive while obviously incapacitated has serious issues. And even if that were not the case, why would anyone allow him to get in a car while inebriated to such a level?

As a AAA mentioned earlier there are rumors abound about Russell's drinking habits but this is just taking irresponsibility to the highest level. I went back and forth on twitter today with Tom Nalen who seemed to be blaming the Broncos more so than Russell but he eventually changed his tune.

I do get what Tom Nalen was saying there and I agree with him. Certainly, Russell is to blame first and foremost for this. However, Nalen's comments that had the Heckert DUI been dealt with properly by the organization, there is a chance Russell thinks twice before getting behind the wheel last weekend.

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Very pertinent questions. Anyone who drinks by themselves to a 2.46 and casually gets in to his truck to drive while obviously incapacitated has serious issues. And even if that were not the case, why would anyone allow him to get in a car while inebriated to such a level?

As a AAA mentioned earlier there are rumors abound about Russell's drinking habits but this is just taking irresponsibility to the highest level. I went back and forth on twitter today with Tom Nalen who seemed to be blaming the Broncos more so than Russell but he eventually changed his tune.

I do get what Tom Nalen was saying there and I agree with him. Certainly, Russell is to blame first and foremost for this. However, Nalen's comments that had the Heckert DUI been dealt with properly by the organization, there is a chance Russell thinks twice before getting behind the wheel last weekend.

You gotta think they knew about Heckert's arrest.

They did and were handling it "in house," in other words trying to keep it from becoming public. That strategy blew up when Russell got arrested.

I place the blame for this, the blame for the PR problems that is, squarely on Joe Ellis. This reeks of the lack of transparency and "circle the wagons" mentality that Ellis cultivated during the McDaniels era._________________big_palooka:

Wow. Just wow. Paints a picture which everyone should hope leads to help for Russell. Dude clearly is in need of serious rehab. Last thing he should be concerned about at this juncture is his job. A 2.46 and driving till he plunges in to a cop cruiser waiting to arrest him? Are you kidding me?

Curious to know where he was prior to driving drunk, and if he was with anyone, why they would let him drive home.

Very pertinent questions. Anyone who drinks by themselves to a 2.46 and casually gets in to his truck to drive while obviously incapacitated has serious issues. And even if that were not the case, why would anyone allow him to get in a car while inebriated to such a level?

As a AAA mentioned earlier there are rumors abound about Russell's drinking habits but this is just taking irresponsibility to the highest level. I went back and forth on twitter today with Tom Nalen who seemed to be blaming the Broncos more so than Russell but he eventually changed his tune.

I do get what Tom Nalen was saying there and I agree with him. Certainly, Russell is to blame first and foremost for this. However, Nalen's comments that had the Heckert DUI been dealt with properly by the organization, there is a chance Russell thinks twice before getting behind the wheel last weekend.

AAA,
I absolutely agree. The lack of any action, in regards to Heckert, sends the message to everyone that they will not be held accountable for their actions. It is all about instilling a culture of accountablity_________________

Had they immediately suspended him without pay pending court results I doubt the Russell incident would have occurred.

Discipline in business can be tricky, but I've found that an immediate response is always the best. A person may disagree with the punishment, but they know, right or wrong, it'll be swift and decisive. To bury Heckerts DUI for a month is inexcusable.

Furthermore, if a player gets a DUI, how can the team have any standing to condemn and punish the player accordingly when it has taken over a month to reprimand a member from their FO. This breeds unaccountability. Unaccountability leads to chaos. Chaos breeds a losing attitude. Which breeds losing_________________