I was watching J.A.G yesterday and a saw something odd in the episode "Against All Enemies" (03x07) and in the end Harm and a female terrorist are in the F-14 lunching of the carrier, and she got a handgrande to threaten harm so he dos whats she wants, but their got in a dogfight she gets hit and drop the grande in to her lap. Harm then pulls a pin from the top of his seat and plug in to some safety system and eject her by pulling his ejection handle, is this possible? Or just good old J.A.G. (aka Hollywood)

//Poadrim

Good judgment comes from experience. Good experience comes from someone else's bad judgment.

I know in the tornado te pilot can decide weather the nav pulling eject will eject both or just himself, but if the pilot pulls it both are ejected automatically. Dont know of any reason why the pilot should be able to eject the nav though on his own.

Quoting Poadrim (Thread starter):I was watching J.A.G yesterday and a saw something odd in the episode "Against All Enemies" (03x07) and in the end Harm and a female terrorist are in the F-14 lunching of the carrier, and she got a handgrande to threaten harm so he dos whats she wants, but their got in a dogfight she gets hit and drop the grande in to her lap. Harm then pulls a pin from the top of his seat and plug in to some safety system and eject her by pulling his ejection handle, is this possible? Or just good old J.A.G. (aka Hollywood)

Similar thing happens in the final episode of season 6 and also in a later episode (season 8 perhaps). In the former, Harm is unable to initially eject with his RIO Skates. In the later, Admiral Chegwidgen is in the back for a ride and accidentally ejects himself with Harm remaining in the front seat.

In JAG I recall the control for ejection being selectable ie so that the RIO can punch out the driver...

Not sure, I know they did a lot of messed up things on that show (including making my country - New Zealand look like a backwards hole where everyone farms and where people have Australian accents... not to mention having a flight from somewhere in the USA landing in WLG). But I do love it! Would have been nice to have kept LtJG Austin on past the first season, and not killing off LtCdr Pike... she was hot and much better fit for Harm (until he sorted it out with Mac of course). It would have been good if Admiral Chegwidgen could have been promoted rather than leaving altogether... or at least they could have got him to come back for Cameo appearances...

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2):In JAG I recall the control for ejection being selectable ie so that the RIO can punch out the driver...

I the F-4, the pilot initiates both seats. the backseater has a handle above and left of the instrument panel to initiate pilot ejection. This could be rotated at any time during the flight. It did not initiate ejection, only enabled ejection. The decision to rotate was often baased on the pilots confidence in the backseater's airmanship.

A typical briefing for an orientation flight would be to leave the handle vertical and only rotate it for pilot incapacitation such as a bird strike. A fellow navigator student told me that during acrobatics on his orientation flight, he realized he was hanging on to the lower ejection handle to brace himself. He was fortunate that no negative Gs were pulled.

I would deselect pilot ejection during aerial refueling so as to not inadvertantly eject into the refueling boom. There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom.

I never saw that many episodes of JAG but enjoyed the ones I saw. I thought making lawyers lovable was a far greater stretch than the liberties taken with mission technicalities.

I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

"While pulling positive Gs he began to float out of the ejection seat. In order to readjust his position he reached down and grabbed that little yellow and black stripped handle. Bang! The next thing he knew he was no longer in the Tomcat."

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

As someone that has floated out of my seat in positive G's I can understand.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):I find it odd that in such a well visited site that they have the made the simpleton mistake of saying that he was floating out of the seat during 'positive' G's. If it were positive G's there wouldn't have been a problem.

"While pulling positive Gs he began to float out of the ejection seat. In order to readjust his position he reached down and grabbed that little yellow and black stripped handle. Bang! The next thing he knew he was no longer in the Tomcat."

The pilot wrote up a public account of the incident and was published at the Naval Safety Center website:

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 13):Quoting F4wso (Reply 3):
There were a few times that the refueling boom banged into my canopy in the twelve years I flew the Phantom.

I don't see how...it's not like the boom was anywhere near your cockpit

The boomer would often have the boom in trail while the receiver would close the gap. The boom was often only a foot away when it would pass by my canopy covering the six feet back to the recepticle. During training at Bergstrom. The pilot was closing on the boom. We were told that as the receiver got closer, the boomer would move it out of the way. Didn't happen once. The nozzle just went "thunk" on the upper windscreen.

You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.

Quoting F4wso (Reply 17):You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.

I was at Grissom 1985-1988. If I remember, Mash was the call sign used by the Reserve unit at GUS. We were using SAC daily call signs when I got there, by the time I left, SAC had gone to static c/s for day-to-day use. I think we were using BODE and INDY, and I think Command Post was PACECAR.

Quoting F4wso (Reply 17):You must have been one of trhe Mash callsigns we refueled with. What years were you there? Out of Louisville, we refueled mostly off of you, Rickenbacker, and Knoxville.

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 18):Mash was the call sign used by the Reserve unit at GUS. We were using SAC daily call signs when I got there, by the time I left, SAC had gone to static c/s for day-to-day use. I think we were using BODE and INDY, and I think Command Post was PACECAR.

That's right, Moose. The 305th (INDY) and the 70th (BODE) seldom refueled ANG and AFRES fighters (the AFRES A-10A unit there used the KGUS-based AFRES 434th AREFW), so refueling fast movers was not routine. From 1985-1987, the only F-4s I ever refueled were from Michigan ANG (I took slides, some of which Rene Francillon and others have used in their books and articles).