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Melody - what do people think that the camps really were? You can google maps Auschwitz Concentration Camp. It's huge. It's probably as big as the city I live in. (Okay, I know I'm exaggerating a bit, but still.)

The show I'm watching, Ludwig, they interview SS officers and prison camp survivors. They justify it by saying that the propaganda they were bombarded with had them convinced that the Jews were the reason they lost the 1st World War. They were also lazy and only wanted to take money and not work for it. Some of the SS officers still believe all of those things. It's crazy.

I don't understand how there are people convinced that the holocaust didn't happen.

I can't speak for neo-nazis or other such wackos, but from what I remember from my intro to religion class, the reason that denying the holocaust is so important for certain regimes in the Middle East (Iran, in particular) is that if the Holocaust didn't happen, it sort of nullifies the reason Israel has for existing. It's purpose for having been set up would be undermined, and so their goal to see it wiped off the map is in some twisted way legitimized. At least in the eyes of their supporters.

I'm curious, do you guys have laws that incriminate denying the existence of Holocaust? We do, and if you say it in public or if you make anti-Semitic statements, you can get punished quite severely. Not prison, but still.

Guys, I've had an incredible idea for a TV show: Roommate Court. Disgruntled roommates take their roommate to Roommate court! They film evidence beforehand, take in a mouldy plate or whatever, record awfully loud sex noises, then they battle it out on TV court in front of a mean TV judge! I would watch this all the time.

Guys, I've had an incredible idea for a TV show: Roommate Court. Disgruntled roommates take their roommate to Roommate court! They film evidence beforehand, take in a mouldy plate or whatever, record awfully loud sex noises, then they battle it out on TV court in front of a mean TV judge! I would watch this all the time.

Guys, I've had an incredible idea for a TV show: Roommate Court. Disgruntled roommates take their roommate to Roommate court! They film evidence beforehand, take in a mouldy plate or whatever, record awfully loud sex noises, then they battle it out on TV court in front of a mean TV judge! I would watch this all the time.

I volunteer to live with you so we can make the pilot.

"My roommate keeps me up all hours singing to her cats!" "Bitch please - you keep Googling me and whispering what you found out about me from the attic!"

"Objection, my client has no idea what Miss Numbers is talking about because my client cannot hear her due to the sound of her own nobility."

"Make her stop talking in the third person! She thinks we don't recognize her when she puts on glasses. I'm starting to think she doesn't even really have a smarter but identical twin who breaks in just to eat most of my Nutella."

"[banging gavel] Order in the court!"

"You can't be the judge too! You don't even know what any of that jargon means!"

"[banging gavel] Sold! For $100!"

"What did I buy?"

"... a hug."

And we lived happily ever after forever and everything was good and the Nutella never ran out again.

"Objection, my client has no idea what Miss Numbers is talking about because my client cannot hear her due to the sound of her own nobility."

"Make her stop talking in the third person! She thinks we don't recognize her when she puts on glasses. I'm starting to think she doesn't even really have a smarter but identical twin who breaks in just to eat most of my Nutella."

"[banging gavel] Order in the court!"

"You can't be the judge too! You don't even know what any of that jargon means!"

"[banging gavel] Sold! For $100!"

"What did I buy?"

"... a hug."

And we lived happily ever after forever and everything was good and the Nutella never ran out again.

I want to hand this in for my scriptwriting assignment!

Sarah - I wasn't saying YOU should deny the holocaust! I was being general like, "Well if it's legal I guess anyone could go ahead and deny it if they want to" it was a joke but not a very funny one. Sorry if that sounded that way! I'm not insane much. x

I'm curious, do you guys have laws that incriminate denying the existence of Holocaust? We do, and if you say it in public or if you make anti-Semitic statements, you can get punished quite severely. Not prison, but still.

Being allowed to believe whatever you want is kind of one of the things this country was founded on...

It's also illegal in France. Pretty sure this kind of law is counter-productive though.

I understand the point of the laws, but I would definitely to agree with you. If people aren't talking about it in the open, then there is no way to address the issue and have a serious discussion about why these thoughts are toxic. It will just stay underground and they will just feed their own poisonous world view.

I'm curious, do you guys have laws that incriminate denying the existence of Holocaust? We do, and if you say it in public or if you make anti-Semitic statements, you can get punished quite severely. Not prison, but still.

Being allowed to believe whatever you want is kind of one of the things this country was founded on...

B. Freedom of Speech Concerns
It is difficult enough to determine the efficacy of laws that criminalize Holocaust denial, but answering whether these laws violate freedom of speech raises a whole new set of concerns. Traditionally, the United States has placed a much higher premium on freedom of speech than most European countries. Indeed, it is almost inconceivable to think that Holocaust denial would be criminalized in the U.S., as that concept is so at odds with First Amendment jurisprudence. Yet in certain European countries, there may be good reasons to prohibit Holocaust denial. In fact, the underlying principle may be in line with the American Constitution when applied to the European context.

Many European countries were complicit in the perpetration of the Holocaust, and this responsibility serves as the basis for their laws that prohibit Holocaust denial. Germany, Austria, and France are particularly morally self-critical in this matter, so it unsurprising that these countries take antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and any red flag of Nazi resurgence very seriously. Here, context becomes a critical issue.

I think they're right, countries were Holocaust actually took place are more prone to prohibit its denial. It's said that in Romania more Jews were killed than in any other Allied country, except for Germany.

I'm curious, do you guys have laws that incriminate denying the existence of Holocaust? We do, and if you say it in public or if you make anti-Semitic statements, you can get punished quite severely. Not prison, but still.

Being allowed to believe whatever you want is kind of one of the things this country was founded on...

B. Freedom of Speech Concerns
It is difficult enough to determine the efficacy of laws that criminalize Holocaust denial, but answering whether these laws violate freedom of speech raises a whole new set of concerns. Traditionally, the United States has placed a much higher premium on freedom of speech than most European countries. Indeed, it is almost inconceivable to think that Holocaust denial would be criminalized in the U.S., as that concept is so at odds with First Amendment jurisprudence. Yet in certain European countries, there may be good reasons to prohibit Holocaust denial. In fact, the underlying principle may be in line with the American Constitution when applied to the European context.

Many European countries were complicit in the perpetration of the Holocaust, and this responsibility serves as the basis for their laws that prohibit Holocaust denial. Germany, Austria, and France are particularly morally self-critical in this matter, so it unsurprising that these countries take antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and any red flag of Nazi resurgence very seriously. Here, context becomes a critical issue.

Actually, that quote doesn't really agree with what you're saying, that only talks about Europe.

I found this quote:

C. Rejections of Laws Criminalizing Holocaust Denial
Because of the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech, Holocaust denial has not been criminalized in the United States.

I'm curious, do you guys have laws that incriminate denying the existence of Holocaust? We do, and if you say it in public or if you make anti-Semitic statements, you can get punished quite severely. Not prison, but still.

Being allowed to believe whatever you want is kind of one of the things this country was founded on...

B. Freedom of Speech Concerns
It is difficult enough to determine the efficacy of laws that criminalize Holocaust denial, but answering whether these laws violate freedom of speech raises a whole new set of concerns. Traditionally, the United States has placed a much higher premium on freedom of speech than most European countries. Indeed, it is almost inconceivable to think that Holocaust denial would be criminalized in the U.S., as that concept is so at odds with First Amendment jurisprudence. Yet in certain European countries, there may be good reasons to prohibit Holocaust denial. In fact, the underlying principle may be in line with the American Constitution when applied to the European context.

Many European countries were complicit in the perpetration of the Holocaust, and this responsibility serves as the basis for their laws that prohibit Holocaust denial. Germany, Austria, and France are particularly morally self-critical in this matter, so it unsurprising that these countries take antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and any red flag of Nazi resurgence very seriously. Here, context becomes a critical issue.

Actually, that quote doesn't really agree with what you're saying, that only talks about Europe.

I found this quote:

C. Rejections of Laws Criminalizing Holocaust Denial
Because of the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech, Holocaust denial has not been criminalized in the United States.

So we actually can say it in public.

I thought Irina was just referring to Europe there, not quoting that about America.

Tuffy: I can't understand how people can smoke a joint without any tobacco in it. Is our weed stronger than yours? Because last times I smoked it was ridiculously strong. A couple of hits and you're fucked kind of strong. Unpleasantly strong.

Haha, Amy, you're right. Our weed is too strong to smoke a joint without any tobacco. Usually the ratio is about 1:4, but if you mix hashish you might even get to 1:3 or 1:2. Same amount of weed, more joints > Success!

I thought Irina was just referring to Europe there, not quoting that about America.

Ah, I see. Well, she responded to Melody who was referring to the States, so I thought she was continuing with that.

As for the price of weed, it's all about who you know, I guess. And how much you actually use to 'medicate.'

And yeah, I don't smoke really, but I've never heard any complaints about lack of strength of American weed, even among foreign exchange students.

The only people I've ever heard of mixing weed and tobacco was high schoolers, and they put the weed in the cigarette to hide it, all "sneaky" like.

Tuffy, is that vaporizer like an electronic cigarette? Because those are becoming very popular very fast here. There is even an entire shop dedicated to "e-cigarettes" that I saw the other day. All about the different styles and such.

"So it's about effects. For serious stoners with heroic tolerances and a lot of spare time, by all means, crank the THC, good doctor. "They like it strong," Marris writes. Louis CK, on the other hand, doesn't. His remarks beginning around the 50-second mark in the above video can probably speak for a lot of casual users who just can't roll with mega-potent product."

I'm with Louis CK. I don't get it because weed was great when it was normal, it's nuts now, I only have to smell other people smoking it and I get paranoid.

As for that practice in the UK, it's interesting. I only meant to say that it's not common here.

And wow, that's definitely an interesting way of being more discrete. I mean, most people don't go around smoking tobacco out of bowls or bongs, even if that's technically what they're meant for, but a vaporizer wouldn't really raise suspicions I wouldn't think. Very interesting.

Supply and demand, mostly. There are, at a glance, 36 licensed distributors within a ten minute drive from here. Most of them deliver.

Fano wrote:

And wow, that's definitely an interesting way of being more discrete. I mean, most people don't go around smoking tobacco out of bowls or bongs, even if that's technically what they're meant for, but a vaporizer wouldn't really raise suspicions I wouldn't think. Very interesting.

Well, there's still the distinctive smell. Mostly, it's easier, more convenient, and I'm not inhaling tar and other crap.

Supply and demand, mostly. There are, at a glance, 36 licensed distributors within a ten minute drive from here. Most of them deliver.

Fano wrote:

And wow, that's definitely an interesting way of being more discrete. I mean, most people don't go around smoking tobacco out of bowls or bongs, even if that's technically what they're meant for, but a vaporizer wouldn't really raise suspicions I wouldn't think. Very interesting.

Well, there's still the distinctive smell. Mostly, it's easier, more convenient, and I'm not inhaling tar and other crap.

Yeah, I didn't think about the smell until after the fact. The no-tar thing is good, though. Otherwise it would just be like every other medicine that makes you unhealthier as it eases your ills.

Some people STINK of weed in the supermarket. My mum says I have a nose like a bloodhound anyway but I can smell a stoner from three aisles away. And the other day I was saying, outside, about a stinky weed guy, and didn't know the guy was behind me and when he passed he was just nodding and smiling like, "Yeah I totally do stink of weed! Thanks!"

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