Novel: Civil officer, sent by Jiang Wei to win over the Qiang with gifts. Shocked thta Jiang doesn't know why he was recalled, explains Huang Hao's manoeuvring, urges caution as Jiang is vital to the state and mustn't risk himself. Friend of Jiang, urges him to go farm in Taizhong and thus secure himself, the state and be within reach of Hanzhong if need be. Recommends Zhuge Zhan be hired to rescue them, suggests weeping about Shu but Shan fails with tears and Sima hao recognises who advised Shan.

History: Grandson of Xi Jian, born in Yi, his father defected to Wei and mother remarried so was independent at an early age. Noted for scholarly aptitude and was willing to endure poverty for learning, fond of rhapsodies and Yi literary works, due to literary ability got jobs in Shu, going as high as prefect. Doesn't go favour as Huang Hao never liked or disliked him so no promotion but no trouble, wrote a essay on why he didn't have a better job. Openly says all those in higher positions are great men and Shan is spending money on the common people instead, supposed to be a criticism of Huang Hao. Composes surrender document, leaves family to follow Shan who values his advice on ritual and propriety, includes banquet advice. When he fell ill, was made administrator of Baixi as a thanks for his efforts. Chen considered him a brilliant writer, he and Qiao Zhou were considered the 2 Gentleman of Yi. Would add Articulate and Study, drop int, neutral.

Fights alongside others, takes part in stealth advance, pursues raiders, tries to force the imperial carriage back to Guo Si. Seems a fine military officer who was distracted by ambition for one campaign, surprised he wasn't used more later on. Tempted to give him evil as he served Gou Si, attempted to kidnap Xian, persuaded eunuchs on his side and evil needs one or two more able people. Adding movement based skills and charge

First one is wife of Wen Shu, a mn of Cao Shuang's faction and she ended up widowed early. Father wished her to marry again, she cuts off her ears, later father finds another marriage so she cuts off her nose.

"For whom are you keeping your vow?" said they. "Man is but as the light dust upon the tender grass, and what is the good of mutilating your body?"

The woman replied, weeping, "I have heard that honorable persons do not break a vow of chastity for the sake of wealth, and the hearts of righteous persons are constant unto death regardless of all losses. While the house of Cao enjoyed prosperity, I remained faithful; how much more should I be true now that it has fallen upon evil days? Can I act like a mere beast of the field?"

Xiahou Yuan's third son, Xiahou Cheng, had the familiar name Shuquan. When he was just a small child, he would often gather up other children, and lead them like a general. Their games would always be related to military affairs, and those who violated the rules would be whipped or beaten -- none would disobey him. Xiahou Yuan held him in secret admiration, and told him to study "The Records of Xiang Yu" and various war manuals. However, the young man refused, saying, "If I am able [to be a general] then so be it, why should I have to imitate others?" When he was 16, he went hunting with Xiahou Yuan, and saw a tiger running in front of them. Xiahou Cheng galloped forward to chase it, despite everyone's warnings. He shot it dead with one arrow. His fame reached Cao Cao's ears, and he held his hand and said gladly, "I'm glad to have you here!" Xiahou Cheng was great friends with Cao Pi before Cao Pi was given official rank. Whenever they had a party, he would impress all with his style and learning. Even those skilled in rhetoric would not defeat him in debates. Thus many famous men hung out with him. He died at the age of 18.

the ultimate dueller in the history of mankind! Or just weird, take your pick. Suggests banking up flood waters and attacking Shu army as they would be tried from march, dismisses Man Chong's urge for caution. Cao Ren goes with Cun's plan, they get smacked around and Cun, enraged on seeing Guan Yu, is killed in one bout. Maybe Military Engineer for banking up against floods?

Considered a deep strategist, given post with army to avenge Yuan's death against Shu. He and Hui note Liang has set up farms so plans to stay, urges Sima Yi to attack before they can settle. Mocks Sima Yi as afraid and asks (with Hui), that they get chance for revenge. Has initial success in capturing supply people, partly as Shu are deliberately losing, wants to execute the captured but Yi instead treats them well to gain the goodwill of Shu soldiers. History: Well spoken, intendant of Henan. Drop int, seems reputation rather then proven. Rejigged skills

Lady Xiahou (230) Turned into Xiahou Hui (Lady) (211). Sister of Shang, thus niece of Yuan, married to Sima Shi. Dies of illness but historians suspect poisoned by Sima Shi as she knew of his plans to overthrow Wei, doesn't say how she knows that. Spy and decent charm maybe?

Name reminds me of Pinggu the penguin. Around 13 or 14 years old when she went to gather firewood (need to lower date), when Zhang Fei captured her, presumably to get him firewood instead. When it was discovered who her (Empress and Consorts calls her Ba's niece) family was, there was marriage. She was given permission to bury Yuan after his death at Hanzhong. Giving lowish war, average stats, it's a romanitac tale.

Novel: Impulsive, inexperienced and miserly, only one to offer to fight Shu in first NC. Wang Lang objects and Xiahou Mao accuses him of being Zhuge Liang';s ally, claims to have studied military matters as a youth, makes famous vow. Wei Yan considers him soft and stupid. Han De and sons lose first two battles, Mao withdraws but Deng Zhi follows up. Consults Cheng Wu who urges him to ambush Zhao Yun, he lures Yun away and cuts him from main army. Directs operations and thus ensures Yun can't escape the noose, reinforcing anywhere Yun looks to break through. Men use arson and volley's during the night only for Shu reinforcements to break in and force the troops back. Holds Nanan for ten days despite being attacked by Guan XIng, Zhang Bao, Zhao Yun and Deng Zhi, tries Cui Liang's ploy of another attempt to ambush Shu but Liang sees through it. Tries to fight way out but is captured, begs for his life, agrees to induce Jiang Wei to surrender but breaks his word. Repels another attack before having to flee into exile. History: Described as not being espically good at tactics or military strategy but liked an easy life. Neutral, add rumour for slander of Wang Lang, would raise pol for ranks

[Xiahou Yuan's 5th son,] Xiahou Rong, was a clever and quick child. At the age of 7 he could compose essays, and everyday he would read no less than 1,000 word-long passages, learning them by heart as soon as he saw the text. When Cao Pi heard about him, he invited him to a banquet. There were more than 100 people there, and they each had cards with their names and their place of origin on them. Once a guest had shown Xiahou Rong his card, Xiahou Rong would know it, and did not get anyone's name wrong during the whole time. The Emperor [Cao Pi] was astonished. When Xiahou Yuan was defeated at Hangzhong, Xiahou Rong [who was also at Hanzhong] was only 13 years of age. Those around him tried to carry him away from the battle, but he refused, saying, "The lord, my father, is in danger; how can I escape death alone?" Thus he drew his sword and fought, and died on the field.

Novel: Mentioned as nephew of Dun, sent with Han Hao to reinforce Hanzhong. Duels Huang Zhong for some bouts before the general withdraws, they win another battle but it is all a ploy. Mocks Zhang He as a coward when He warns against pursuing Huang Zhong much more. Careless in camp, he and Han Hao were suddenly attacked and defeated, recommends going to Xiahou De, they are defeated as mountain surrounded. Used as lure, fakes defeat to Chen Shi and they capture the Shu general, unfortunately sent out to fight next day by Yuan and captured by Huang Zhong in first bout. Prisoner exchange, shot in back but doesn't fall and walks on while wounded. With Xu Huang, ambushes Liu Feng, besieges Nanjun with another but is double teamed and badly beaten.

History: Did not get on with Xun Yin but did with Meng Da, he and Zhang He defeated a Wu general but were unable to Jiang Ling thanks to some brilliant defending and supply issues. In another occasion, prepares bridges and rafts for invasion of vital point in a siege, spots that Pan Zhang is about to use fire attack and withdraws in time. Three times Liu Feng. Got an edict by Cao Pi saying how much he loved his friend and giving him special privileges, Shang shows Jiang Ji who promptly gets it revoked. The only general along the border that kept his men prepared after Wu's surrender to Cao Pi, smashed Zhuge Jin's efforts to reinforce Jiangling, advances into bad terrain but is ordered out moments before Wu utilise it. Would lower war but just give him 70, he was a fairly succesful general on the Wu front.

Trained as horsemen and archer, given vanguard against Sima Yi along with brother, fights one or two battles against Shu and Guangui Jian. One ambush. Governor/inspector of two fairly important regions so pol up, networking as he forsaw Yang Hu, who hadn't even entered local service, as a talent and arranged a marriage of Ba's daughter to Yang Hu himself. Lowered war a lot, lead a tad

Xiahou Xian, general of Zhong Hui. Historically was supposed to be one of the Regents but Cao Shuang outmanovered him. Decent cha I supposed for being given the post Will borrow stat skill line from Xuan

Novel: Minister of Cao Fang, blames the defection of Xiahou Ba on Sima Shi. Part of the three invited by Fang to discuss getting rid of Shi, offers his services as one whose family has benefited the state. When they are found out, despite an admirable defence by Li Feng, breaks volley of abuse and attempts to punch Sima Shi, guards manage to grab him before he can throw another one. Continues cursing till he dies.

History: Friend of Xun Can, son of Xiahou Shang and one of the leading new philosophers. Think He Yan type philosophy only without He Yan's habit of upsetting everyone and bringing a regime down due to habits. He was Cao Shuang's second in command during the invasion of Hanzhong and during Cao Shuang's regency, the philposhy of He Yan and Xiahou Xuan held sway. Xuan himself had command in the west and after the Sima Yi coup, was recalled. When Sima Yi died, someone congratulated him only for Xuan to declare

"Don't you understand? This man could still show me some respect on account of his old friendship with my clan, but his sons will surely not spare me."

. He was indeed killed though historically his part in the Cao Fang plot seems to have been the choice of Li Feng to take over when SIma Shi was killed and I do not know how much Xuan was aware of the plot.

Xiahou Xuan had proposed three reforms, only one I know anything about was the recruitment system which would have taken power out of provincial Impartial Evaluators. These guys recommended people to the personal department, they may have been old guard philosophers and Sima loyalists thus making it hard for Cao Shuang. Sima Yi said all three idea's were good but they should wait until there were good and virtuous men in government before it could work. Xuan complained about Yi's attitude but that is the only time I have found any hint of accusation that Xuan was part of the bad parts of Cao Shuang's reign and that seems more aimed at others then at Xuan.

Neutral, loyal but by own admittance due to family ties in the novel. Skill set should be self explanatory but rumour for accusations against Sima Yi's attitude, networking for reform. Good cha for all the people he debated with, good int for being intelligent, just under 89's pol as even Sima Yi called the reforms good and leading philosopher of his day.

Novel: described as well balanced, versed in military affairs, tested by Liu Bei and considered capable, Liang gives him control of internal military affairs. History: Described as that by Liang (another is kind and fair), he was noted at Yiling for suffering the least losses, rose through ranks, including control of guards and being chief inspector. Died in combat against barbarians. Lower cha, give investigator and wall, neutral, add uncle

Xiang Chong, brother of Chong. Was Colonel who shoots at sound which was the nightguard basically, officer in the Secretariat, when Jin took over was made administrator of Zitong. Recalled Qiao Zhou's prophecy that Shu would fall thanks to the names. Decent pol, decent war, investigator and administration.

Palace Gentleman, appointed to help Ding Fu compile a Wu history. Hua He later described them both as not competent historians and Sun Liang would appoint others to the task. Whatever the legitimacy, or not, if Hua He's criticism, his works were replaced by those that succeeded him. Seems fine

Not entirly sure if he meant for the revolt and he did predict the fuedal lords would revolt, problem is he did it during Huan's reign so either very accurate long term prediction or he got it wrong. Propganda but not (e), well organised as the propaganda was, it did a) fail, b) the criticism of the Master of Writing may have been biased but fair enough and c) he threw everything but the kitchen sink in there and some of his points were stretching it, probably harmed his argument more. Neutral, prop reformist but yet refused to serve them, not entirely sure what he was up to there.

Took care of homefront during Nanman camapign. Disgraced as he didn't report Ma Su, a friend of Lang's, attempt to escape from jail so Liang grew wary and sacked Lang. Rose up to General of the Left and Superintendent of the Imperial Household. Famous for management abilities when young, when sacked Lang followed his dream of reading the texts, even in his old age he would continuing reading deeply and editing books. He was the foremost book collector of his time, he had many guests and encouraged young scholars but talked only of ancient history, not of current affairs. Everyone, from great officers to little children loved and respected him

Novel: Called a brave and famed leader, duels Zhang Bao for 40 bouts before fleeing, killed later by Zhang Bao in a melee. History: Works with naval commander to cut off escape and defeat two Shu generals. Put down 2 other generals

Xie Jing, has different characters, from Nanyang. Served the Crown Prince, he was a fan of the harsher law theory of Liu Yi, Lu Xun scoffed at the theory and urged him to teach benevolence. Investigator for law theory, study for teaching, decent pol and int

One of the major Wu historians hired by Sun Liang. Had held garrison command but later punished for mistake strategy, during his exile he compiled 100 chapters on the Han, recalled thanks to Hua He and replaced Wei Zhao. Involved in intrigue, he was sent to the far south as exile for the second time, recalled as a minister but only real service was to compose Sun Hao's surrender. May have met Chen Shou in Louyang but died in 282.

Military advisor, proposes going with friend and troops to the Emperor (who is with Cao Shuang) during the Sima Yi coup. Had misjudged Sima Yi's motives but sister tells him the truth, contemplates switching sides but sister reminds him of duty to Cao Shuang. Keeps his rank as Sima Yi admires the loyalty. Historically aide de camp and quite scared, neutral

Novel: Magistrate, fluent speaker and good scholar, selected for envoy duty by Yuan Tan. Arrives as quickly as possible but how helpful he was to Tan as envoy is questionable. Brushes aside questions of sincerity rather then try to convince of loyalty and paints a ghastly picture of the Yuan situation, the brothers ripe for the taking. Next we see him, he is taunting the defenders of Ye with Shang's clothing, trying to get them to surrender, Shen Pei executes his family. Cries, Shen Rong a friend of his offers to open gate, Xin Pi is first into city on his prancing horse. Beats Shen Pei over the head with whip, screaming murderer and being insulting, begs for Pei to be executed, Pi gets insulted twice by Pei. To be honest, Pi doesn't look too good as Shen Pei and Xin Ping loyalty and words contrasts with Xin Pi's selling out.

Proposes abdication. When Wu and Shu ally again, Cao Pi wishes to strike but Xin Pi says the population is sparse, best wait ten years and cultivate the land, gather weapons and troops over time, rather then strike now. Cao Pi's effort fails anyway, sent with Su Li to reinforce Cao Zhen and guard a passage. Explains Sima Yi's memorial asking to attack at Wu Zhang as Yi doesn't want to attack but needs imperial edict ordering him to hold to keep generals in line, sent as envoy to the camp to give such a decree.

History: Spots army has taken rear camps of Zhang Lu's army. Sent as envoy to Quan but can't get audience, what with Quan not wanting to hand over son and got all he needed already, not a reflection of Xin Pi but Cao Pi. His advice to Cao Cao was brilliant, he spots Cao Cao is uncertain and gets Guo Jia to help him get another audience, he points out Liu Biao is likely to remain on the defensive and is too strong, a united Yuan brothers could be trouble but are divided, blind to dangers and ripe for taking. Brilliant piece of advice but utterly disloyal, it's propaganda in reverse. Insult on Pei turned back on him as Pei points out Xin Pi is disloyal and has no authority to actually declare Pei's sentence. Cao Pi hugs Xin Pi in delight on being made heir, Xin persuades the newly ruling Pi not to change the calender.

Xin Pi at this point starts displaying a good backbone, perhaps because he knew Cao Pi better then he had Cao Cao? When the Emperor wished to move loads of troops during a famine, the court was concerned as it was going to upset a lot of people and the minor matter of they couldn't feed all those troops in that area. Xin led the complaints, Cao didn't want to discuss the matter but Xin, arguing most vehemently, pointed out that as it was a dynastic matter and Xin was a counsellor, why should Cao Pi be reluctant? He even grabbed Cao Pi's coat when Cao tried to leave, shaken off but Cao later complained of being harassed but would only move half the number. Later

On one occasion, when the Emperor went out of his palace to shoot pheasants, he turned to his attendants and exclaimed, "How delightful this pheasant shooting is!" Xin Pi replied, "Delightful indeed to Your Majesty, but very burdensome to all your subjects." The Emperor did not utter a word, but thereafter did not go out so frequently, because of him (i.e. Xin Pi).

Does advise wait ten years, do civil reforms and gather stuff and points out he doesn't think Cao Pi can take Wu with present army if Cao Cao couldn't cross the Jiang. Argued for Bao Xin, evidently did discuss matters with his daughter.

Dash for quick arrival, scout for spotting the success in the rear, rumour for the mass slander of his own lord. Drop tactician and zeal, don't think worthy of 1st and the only time he seems to show bravery in confronting lord is Cao Pi who he evidentially felt he knew well enough. Drop int, didn't come across as that smart to me, neutral

Novel: Han Fu consulted him about surrendering, not noted for actually replying. Supports Yuan Tan, warns against going to Yuan Shang's banquet as Shen Pei and Feng Ji would probably have made evil plans. Consulted a lot, replies rarely recorded, sent as envoy to Cao Cao to ask for surrender, refuses to defect as

"Sir Prime Minister, you are in error," said Xin Ping. "It is said that the lord's honor is the servant's glory; the lord's sadness is the servant's shame. How can I turn my back on the family I have so long served?"

Yuan Tan, angry at the failure, accuses Ping of being in league with his brother, Ping dies due to being enraged by the accusation. Tan regretted insulting him to death

History: When Guo Jia suggests leaving Yuan Shao, refuses as he thinks Yuan Shao will win which in the early days was a decent enough bet. Friend of Han Fu thus sent to persuade Fu to surrender. Slanders Shen Pei to Yuan Tan. Admire his novel loyalty but neutral

Fix birthdate. Novel: Advises Xin Chang that Sima Yi is not plotting revolt against Wei but against Cao Shuang, that Sima Yi will win and that the best course is to follow Cao Shuang to the end. This loyalty would allow Xin to keep his job and I think is meant to be portayed as men should be loyal so Xiangying is meant to be good. I can't escape the feeling that Xiangying was doing it for more cynical reasons (historically Chang's own words would back me up): The Xin's are noted to being in Cao faction, but are a famed family that isn't connected so highly with Shuang that they are doomed to die, so a defection would look like a cowardly defection. By appearing loyal, Sima Yi wins merit by keeping them in positions and the Xin family gain more fame. So I'm going neutral

History: Some claim to the Wu Zhang plan, does what the novel XIn Pi does when Sima Yi's memorial comes in. Tells her nephew Yang Hu (to his horror) that Zhong Hui is unrestrained and when Shu fell, would rebel so was unhappy when her son Yang Xiu (no, not that one) was made Hui's aide. Xiu's requests not to go were turned down so she warned him to be benevolent and modest, to give no cause for anxiety to his partners (and by that, I also assume everyone else). Following her advice, he managed to keep out of the trouble. Give rumour, pol down a lot

Match for any man, famed, leads men out against Zhuge Liang and mocks his claims for Chi Bi, happily lured out as he chased Zhuge Liang. Duels Zhang Fei but after 4-5 bouts, realises he will lose so retreats, ambushed but dashed into fight them. Only surrendered when Zhao Yun turned up. Offers to be insider and help them capture his commander, he lied and warns Liu Xuan, suggesting they meet the raid with an ambush. Slain in battle, neutral as defending land is not evil, not sure he deserves valour

"For more than twenty years, since the rebellion of the Yellow Turbans, the land within the four seas has been bubbling like a cauldron, and people have become homeless refugees. I hear that Lord Cao'sgovernment is firm and strict. The people are weary of disorder, and nowthat disorder has reached its limit, it will soon be settled. Let me be thefirst."

Described as punctilious on matters of ceremony, he let nothing slip by him, and he never allowed Cao Zhi any latitude I can't help but shake off the feeling that it is less virtue that wins him but strict governance so neutral

Kun’s mother was with the troops at that time, and she said to Kun, “I fear that by the time the province sends their naval forces, we would be in a disadvantageous position already. How can we set camp here? It would be better if we use the bullrushes as rafts to aid the boats in transporting the people.” Kun brought the idea up to Ce, and Ce adopted it.

Madam Xu (154)Friend of Zhao E-Qin, tries to persuade the lady from training to avenge her family.

All from the village were afraid of him. E-qin's neighbour, Mrs. Xu, feared that E-qin could not control herself and get harmed by Li Shou instead, and often pleaded with her to give up the idea. "Li Shou is a man," she would say, "and his violence is self-evident even if he was not armed like he is these days. Madame Zhao, I know you have courageous ambitions and a strong will, but you are no match for his strength. Should you be unable to overcome him, Li Shou will bring disaster on you, destroying your family, redoubling your shame. I pray you reconsider your action, for the sake of your family."

Wife of Sun Yi, mystic for divining? Ambush for ambushing loyalists? She cleverly brought time by using the mourning period and her "delight" at the end of it was so well acted that everyone was sickened and surprised that she would be such so soon after husbands death. She also dressed her supporters as maids. Int raise for reacting so brilliantly

Mastered 5 different books, one of them a trilogy so make that 7, conceited, he and Qian even withheld documents and exchanged blows. Liu Bei put on a play to mock them both, in the novel builds the terrace for Liu Bei to become Emperor. Feel like giving Jeer, swap int for pl

Novel: News that he had defected was last blow to Liu Zhang, senoir minister in persuading Liu Bei in becoming Prince. Sent in secret to tell Zhuge Liang of rumour of happenings in Jing, namely Lu Meng taken and killed Guan Yu. Claims Cao Pi killed Xian. In history, Chen Zhi was his great-nephew and looked after by Xu Jing's house.

Swap leader for propaganda. I would raise his pol to just under 85, highly respected man and one I suspect Liang would have made a major minister. None the less, he never was given the chance due to Liu Bei's dislike. Neutral

Pretended to be Xu Huang, duelled Guan Ping but quickly ran away, he and Lu Qian were defeated. The two of them take part in a sudden two pronged attack on Ping later, historically aided Xu Huang against Shu.

Liu Yao didn't use Taischi Ci fully as he feared what Xu Shao would say. The plan was good, heading to Kuai Ji put him in a land Ce would want and isolated, north means Ce might turn elsewhere while Yao gathered allies. Good? Possibly, or he felt certain places would kill him, I'm thinking neutral. Why Liu Yao? Rumour for being able to destroy a reputation

Novel: General of the guard, he and Ding Feng are sent to arrest Liang at Chi Bi, takes 100 dagger and axe man by using fleet, catches up with fleeing Liang only for Zhao Yun to shoot down the sail and escape, acts as bodyguard during the battle itself. Helper to Jiang Qin's force, beaten back by Cao Ren, risked life to get injured Zhou Yu to safety. Takes part in four way ambush. Sent to block off Liu Bei, shamed by Lady Sun, reports to Zhou Yu and takes part in pursuit, has yet to be given a lone role. Suggests building seige equipment and attack city, Lu Meng rejects it as would take too long. Fights battles as part of others

Men frightened by large Wei force, reminds them of their duty and rallies them, takes some of his best men to row across river and attack Li Dian's lines, Sheng dashes among Li Dian's legion slaying left and right. Either raid or blitz would work here, surrounded by Wei troops. Zhou Tai rescues him but Xu Sheng is severely wounded, joins up with two others and beats loud drums that unsettle Guan Yu's men. Laments that Quan surrenders, denied opportunity to smash both Wu and Shu, this impresses the Wei envoy, urges Lu Xun to attack Wu Ban's insulting troops, later helps stop pursuit of fellow general, engages Feng Xi then pursues Liu Bei. Offers to fight Cao Pi, withdraws to defence and gathers equipment. Argues with Sun Shao as to when to attack, Sheng wishes to attack for Cao Pi's ships to come. Sheng agrees to pardon Shao and on hearing Shao had attacked, sends troops in support under Ding Feng, his wall had intimidated Cao Pi. Given vanguard against Cao XIu, duels Zhang Pu and forces a retreat, attacks the retreats Cao Xiu and kills many, captures lot of equipment but on seeing Jia Kui's flag trick, halts pursuit in fear of ambush. Could be given Dash

History: Faced a 1000 troops with 200 but wounded many of Huang She's men, presumably in a defensive siege as he next opens the gates and fights a pitched battle. Defeats bandits, takes a city, used to train soldiers. Raced with others to attack Wei but forced to disembark, only general to have the courage to attack Wei troops, inflicts casualties and force them to retreat, thus allowing Wu army to withdraw safely when wind was better. Won many merits for attacking Liu Bei's garrisons, against Cao Xiu his navy was smashed by winds but managed to deter Xiu. When Xiu did attack, managed to hold him off with small amount of men, built wall despite protests and Cao Pi was amazed by it so withdrew. Caught by surprise at He Fei, argues with Zhou Tai and Quan has to force him to accept Zhou Tai as commander, wishes to pursue Liu Bei. Jiang Qin described him as brave, loyal, hard working, talented in planning and capable of command 10,000 men, this despite Xu Sheng once trying to execute one of his officers while Qin was away.

Neutral, would lower lead personally as I don't think he was quite 83, swapped ambush for Blitz.

In novel, he and Wang Kai propose ally marriage, Xu asks for escort and they put up a convincing argument to Yuan Shu, suggests getting daughter out at night. Then suggests Lu Bu go. Decent plans born in desperation, neutral

Cao Rui wanted to disband troops after a Wu retreat but Xuan persistently argued it was a false retreat and they should be prepared for an immediate attack. Xuan was proved right as Wu attack He Fei again quickly. As for trust

At this time, Xu Xuan, the Left p'u-i, had been directing the business of the state in the absence of the Emperor. When the Emperor returned, the official in charge brought state papers to him. The Emperor said, "What difference is there between my inspecting them and the p'u-i inspecting them?" He did not look into them at all.

Zhog Hui asks for a leader of a van skilled at building roads and repairing bridges, offers himself to the approval of all around him. Hui mentions he is lithe and strong, given 5,000 horsemen, 1,000 footsoldiers to split into three different routes and do military engineer stuff. Wanting to do something amazing, urges his officers to take a certain pass, his men dash towards it but the commander of fort was prepared and they were driven back by heavy crossbow fire. Zhong Hui executes him for poor condition of a bridge rather then actual defeat. Dash and military engineer I think more suited

Xu Yin, clerk of Yang Hu, once the commander was about to go out at night. Yin blocked Hu with his spear and rebuked Hu for endangering himself when he was so important, swore Hu would not get out that night without Yin being dead. Yang Hu apologised and learnt from it, Yin later was inspector and led naval forces against Wu, forced to withdraw when another army was thrashed by Lu Kang. Inspector, Navy, Leader, admin, zeal, neutral decent pol and lead

Novel: Part of the four given control of Ji and helped strip Han Fu of power. Urges Yuan Shao to attack, called experienced and made an advisor, Xun Yu calls him greedy and ignorant. He and Shen Pei are too busy fighting to do their job. Yuan Shao guard captures supply letter and for some reason, gives it to Xu You. Proposes that Yuan Shao send a small army to attack Xu Chang and at same time, press at Guan Du against Cao Cao who was out of supplies. Yuan Shao suspects letter is a trick then Shen Pei sends letter accusing Xu You of taking bribes and allowing relatives to collect excessive taxes, made arrests. Yuan Shao is angry with You, accuses him of treason and plotting to lure him into trap, yet bizarrely Yuan Shao lets him leave. Even more bizarrely, You tries to kill himself but his attendants send him to Cao Cao, an old friend.

Sneaks out of camp but is arrested by Wei soldiers, Cao Cao is delighted to hear who has come, saluting You. Says saluting was improper and that he left Yuan Shao over being ignored, Cao Cao admits plan of two pronged attack would have destroyed him. Play game over supplies, before Xu You reveals what he knows, suggests a quick attack is the cure. Suggests pretending to be Jiang Qi's men and set fire to Wu Chou under the drunkard Qiong, left behind to help guard a camp. After that, suggests a quick attack on the Yuan forces which works. Annoys generals by saying Cao Cao would never have got to Ye without his help, does this to Xu Chu who points out that the soldiers, dead or alive, had risked everything so don't brag. You calls Chu and the solders a bunch of blockheads, unsurprisingly gets killed.

History: Called greedy and undisciplined, Xun Yu predicts family will get prosecuted and You will defect . Plan was night attack but Yuan Shao wanted to take Cao Cao rather then Xu, does the question over supply thing to Cao Cao, urges execution of Qiong. Did claim major credit for taking Ji. Think he deserves ambush for proposes suprise attack, neutral as how truthful is Shen Pei?

Xu You. Quite impressive really, Cao Cao acted petulantly over the whole thing until Du Xi refuses to be shut up and pointed out Xu You was a common fellow unable to recognise a sage. Jeer, lead, decent lead

Should have later date probably. Offers himself to Sima Shi, who admired his ability, sent against Shu as leader of the van. Weilding a mighty axe, he defeats Liao Hua and then Zhang Yi quickly in duels, sends men to attack immediatly after and thus leads to victory against Jiang Wei. Sent to raid supply likes by Sima Zhao, he quickly takes some but splits his forces, one to pursue fleeing supply guards, half to take carts back to camp. Clears brushwood but then fire starts, goes to retreat, another fire, ambush on two sides. Gets himself clear but with no men, exhuastes himself and horse. At that point Jiang Wei appears and before he can muster energy for last stand, is brought down by spear. as he falls to the floor, his body is hacked apart. Historically defeated and beheaded by Jiang Wei, raise cha, give dash

Novel: Sent to help take a city, Chen Wu so battered his army that Xue Li went onto defence. One of his archers shoots Sun Ce in the thigh when asked to surrender, Ce fakes death. Makes night raid and is killed, give two skills

Novel: Tries to ambush Wu but fails miserably, Qu Zong destroys the ambush. Historically as the captain of the Imperial bodyguard, sent to console a distraught Cao Xiu and to give him lot of gifts. Cha raise

Novel: Sent as messenger to He Fei and Hanzhong. History: Predicted Liang would attack to try and nab the harvest but Sima Yi assured Ti they were safe. Could be given good due to ruling by good example

Novel: Engages in debate with Liang, declaring the Han is over and Cao Cao will win, gets shamed by Liang. History: The insult was after the Shu envoy had been rude and his efforts were quite insulting to Shu, give Propganda.

Called Xun in the novel, Cheng Yu proposes using her to get to Xu Shu by kindness, taking her in while she is alone and winning her over. She asks what kind of man Liu Bei is, Cao Cao calls him a fake, mean and untrustworthy at which point she launches into a tirade at how Bei rescues puppies from trees and asks if Cao Cao the Han rebel has no shame. Tries to attack Cao Cao with inkstone, he nearly kills her but Cheng Yu calms her down. Cheng Yu claimed to be a sworn brother of Shu, treated her as a son should and send her gifts and letters. She had to write back so he learnt her handwriting and was able to forge a letter.

Xu Shu rushed to his mother, she was shocked to see him, she realised her son had been tricked. Angered, she struck the table, rebuked her son as shameful and degenerate, a vagabond despite her teachings. He should know filial piety and loyalty to goodness often opposed (because that happened so regularly during the Han ), calls him stupid for not inquiring as to the authenticity of the letter and besmirched the great name of the family by going from the light to the dark. Xu Shu doesn't look up, she leaves room and next thing he knows, she hanged herself. she gets a eulogy praising her virtue, her fairness, how she trained her wilful son (who I bet was traumatised).

I actually hate the novel Lady Xun, wow her son goes to look after his mother, tries to do the right thing so she insults him and kills herself. Clearly she knows everything! None the less, I have to give her good, despite the shameful actions towards her loving son as she held her beliefs so strongly and was a woman of virtue. No sense or compassion but virtue

Xun Cai seems fairly intresting, pity about confusion with men and dates

Xun Can:

Xun Yi’s younger brother, Xun Can, was styled Fengqian. He Shao’s biography of Xun Can writes: Xun Can was styled Fengqian. All his older brothers discussed the ways of Confucian philosophy, but Xun Can alone enjoyed talking about Tao. He would often argue from Zigong’s saying that Confucius’ thoughts on human nature and the way of Heaven cannot be known (XXIV), that the six books in the Canon (XXV) are only the dredges of what the Sages had said. His brother, Xun Yu, tried to stump him, saying, “The Book of Changes says, ‘The sages created the symbols of the hexagrams in order to express their ideas completely, and attached the commentary text beneath the hexagrams in order to express completely all that could be said (XXVI).’ So how can you say that [the ideas of the sages] cannot be heard or seen?’ Xun Can replied, “The Truth is so elusive that it cannot be illustrated by physical things or symbols. Though they say that symbols are created in order to express ideas completely, the symbols themselves cannot attain that which is beyond ideas. Though commentary texts are attached to the symbols in order to express all that could be said, these are not words that can describe the true nature of things. As such, the ideas beyond the symbols and the words that describe the true nature are still hidden, unattainable.” None of the debaters there could formulate a counterargument. He would also remark that his father, Xun Yu, was not as good as his cousin Xun You. Xun Yu was upright in character, and held fast to the proper ways and instructed others, while Xun You did not care about his appearances, but behaved carefully and kept to himself—this was the basis on which Xun Can praised Xun You. His older brothers were all infuriated, but none could come up with a rebuttal. In the early years of the Taihe reign, Xun Can went to the capital city in order to converse with Fu Gu. Fu Gu was learned in the philosophy of names and patterns, while Xun Can liked the mystical and the surreal (XXVII). Though the ultimate root of their ideologies were the same, there were times when they clashed and did not get along with each other. Pei Hui, in order to mend the relationship, went between the two houses to settle their disputes. Eventually, Xun Can became friends with Fu Gu, and Xiahou Xuan also became close to them. [Xun Can] would often say to Fu Gu and Xiahou Xuan, “Walking in this world, you would surpass me in rank and fame, but your wisdom is beneath mine.” Fu Gu disputed him and argued, “That which nets one rank and fame is wisdom. How can it be that the foundation is deficient but the result exceeding?” Xun Can said, “Rank and fame is rewarded on the basis of one’s aspirations. Aspiration is its own thing, and wisdom alone does not get you [to high positions]. I can help you people reach an exulted position, but I may not be able to match what you attain.”

Xun Can had always said that the intelligence of a woman was not important—only beauty mattered. The daughter of Cao Hong, General of the Elite Cavalry, had good looks, and so Xun Can asked for her hand in marriage. He gave her fancy makeup, clothes, and beddings, and enjoyed feasts and good times only with her. A few years later, the wife died. Before the funeral, Fu Gu went to console Xun Can; Xun Can was not crying but his expression showed a deep grief. Fu Gu asked him, “It is difficult to find a woman who has both great talents and great beauty. But my friend, the one you married was lacking in talents though she was pretty. It is easy to meet such a woman. Why do you grieve so much?” Xun Can said, “Such a beauty cannot be found again! Although she who is deceased cannot be said to have beauty that can topple a nation, it is not true that such a woman can be easily met.” He was unable to contain his grief, and died in a little over a year. He was twenty-nine years old. Xun Can was of a lofty character, and could not associate himself with the average person—all his acquaintances are extraordinary men of the times. On the eve of his burial, less than twenty people attended—all famous men of the era. Their crying for him moved all passer-bys.

Good pol as a philosopher, often unarguable, very good cha for all his friends, add wife. Charming, study, networking, neutral? Date might be a problem

Xun Hong, styled Zhongmou, was an Officer of the Crown Prince’s Study. At that time, there was a great debate, and Xun Hong took a different viewpoint from those of Zhong Yao’s, Wang Lang’s, and Yuan Huan’s. Emperor Wen [Cao Pi] wrote a letter to Zhong Yao, saying, “Yuan and Wang are the topmost talents of the realm, and they are fending for each other. Xun Hong is of great literary prowess and is one of the keenest debaters of all times. These are truly worthy opponents of yours and people to worry about.” [Xun Hong] died in the position of Gentleman-attendant of the Imperial Gates.

Novel: With Zhong Hui about to be killed by Shu's Lu Xun, Xun Kai shoots Lu Xun. Promoted to the guards and sent against a pass which eventually surrendered. As a Minister, urged the ruler to pick the eldest son rather then the youngest. History: Married a Jin princess and was well liked by his in-law's, the Sima's. Sent to inspect the retarded crown prince, claimed there was improvement though the other sent claimed there had been none. Cha raise, Missile, charming

Novel: Says Zan and three brothers would win but Yuan Shao could match Zan and would treat Han Fu kindly. Urges attack on Cao Cao. History: Does the "how do you compare to Yuan Shao" thing, would give propaganda for it.

Novel: Last to protest about Chang An move, exiled. History: Calmed down an angry Dong Zhuo by sympathising with him, his opposition to Ling's harem seems motivated by the cost. Scared into service and away from his studies, a well meaning an true but neutral, can be forced into evil service and quite frankly

Novel: Points out murder isn't needed, since Liu Shan and Huang Hao's bad rule, Jiang Wei's loss of trust, all it means Jin need is an army invasion. Recommends Deng Ai and Zhong Hui, opposes Wu invasion. History: Reminds SIma Yan that for one of the three Excellences, the man must have good reputation as Jia Xu being appointed made Sun Quan laugh. Works with Yang Hu on secret stuff, hates Yang Hu for his purity, Xun Xu never reached the highest of offices but was trusted by the Sima's and was consulted on appointments even for ranks above his own. Helped Jia Chong get daughter married to Crown Prince, as Inspector of Palace Writers, enlisted Chen Shou to help edit the works of Zhuge Liang. His reaction to the sgz seems mixed, said to really liked it and compared it favourably to works of old but refused Shou a promotion within court and had him sent away to a governing post. Reasons why are mixed, one is the records of Wei displeased Xun, other is he disliked Zhang Hua (the patron of Chen Shou) and hated Shou so slandered Shou to personal department. Son of Xun Yi of that Xun clan so maybe something in there but think more likely, didn't want Zhang Hua having another man inside the court. Or the records on Zhen Ji/Guo could be compared to the current Empress situation

Had asked for Zhang Hua's execution just moments before Wu's surrender came in, he had opposed invasion of Wu. Stats and so seem fine, add father, alter birthdate neutral though evidently could be something of a git.

Spring and Autumn Annals of Jin: Xun Yi, styled Jingjin, was considered an extraordinary person even in his youth by Chen Qun, husband of his elder sister. He was broad of learning and comprehensive of knowledge, and his ideas were always carefully thought-out. When Prince Sima [Yi] met Xun Yi, he was impressed by him, and said, “ This is the son of Master Xun. Recently I’ve also met Yuan Kan, who’s the son of Yueqing [Yuan Huan].” Xun Yi was promoted to be Imperial Attendant of the Cavalry. He served under the Jin house, and reached the rank of Grand Commandant, holding the title of Duke Kang of Linhuai. He had once debated against Zhong Hui’s idea of “The Changes have not two forms”, and he was known for that.

The novel has Chen Tai lament his uncle Yi isn't as good as him. Study, int rise and I would go pol rise, he was one of the major ministers of Jin

Zhang Fan’s Annals of Han says praises Xun Yue for being humble, thoughtful, and tranquil, and for being capable at writing. In the early years of the Jian’an reign, he served as an Imperial Attendant of the Secretariat, and was commissioned to condense the History of Han. He thus wrote the Records of Han, thirty chapters in total, in which he used historical events to illustrate good and bad and provide proper references. The book was widely circulated.

The tired Ji Ling sends him to fight Guan Yu instead, which is a bit rude considering Ji Ling had asked for a stop to the duel and been granted it. Guan Yu rather miffed, not helped when Zheng declares Guan Yu is unworthy to face Ji Ling, killed in one blow.

So why haven't I replied to one of these yet? Because I got 4 hours today, 3 hours tomorrow, and 4 hours on Friday where I'm going to be doing nothing but wasting time in the office, hence do them all at once.

Xi Jia: Works

Xi Ni: Agreed

Xi Shou: Works

Xi Su: Nice guy, Lu Meng.

Xi Zhen: Wanna do something to make him related to Pang Tong, even if its an inlaw ranking or something that's like 5 bond.

Xi Zheng: Agreed

Xi Zhicai: Agreed

Xia Mou: Agreed

Xia Xun: Certainly valorous.

Xia Yu: I'd nix Leader for his failures, otherwise agreed.

Xia Yun: Fine as in no alterations or fine as in not evil?

Xia Zhao: Agreed

Lady Xiahou: Half-tempted either Jeer, Rally, or Propaganda for her rebuttal.

Xiahou Bo: Indeed that a Xiahou was serving Liu Bei.

Xiahou Cheng: What I was thinking. I laugh at the prospect of him beating other kids because of their lack of military protocal.

Xiahou Cheng: Agreed

Xiahou Chong: Agreed

Xiahou Cun: He was so good he beat himself so Guan Yu could take the credit.

Xiahou De: A slandar to the Xiahou name.

Xiahou En: No Sword of Pwnage?

Xiahou He: Agreed

Xiahou Heng: A shock

Xiahou Hui: Fun

Lady Xiahou: Well we've all said things we regret after the throws of passion, perhaps he was just bragging how he was going to run the Empire and realized "Oh crap, I shouldn't have said this."

Xiahou Jie: Jeer and Trample? Just cause its funnier that way?

Xiahou Lan: I'll go with Rafe's translation.

Xiahou Lian: Agreed

Xiahou Lingnu: From rereading my Xiahou Yuan write-up, she was gathering firewood cause Xiahou Yuan was poor, and this was in a period after his death, so the abduction/marriage, diregarding any sense of fairness or choice, turned out for the best for her.

Xiahou Mao: You left out the part about training Deng Ai to take over Shu and leaving his military manuals behind which would allow the Shanyu to take over the capital during the Jin era. Volley for his men firing arrows at Sun Quan?

Xiahou Rong: Xiahou Yuan had some clever kids.

Xiahou Ru: Agreed.

Xiahou Shang: Tempted Valour for taking an arrow to the back and manning up, would go Scout for seeing Pan Zhang's fire attack before it happens. Three times Liu Feng? Should know the reference.

Xiahou Wei: Yeah that was me being lazy with the old stats.

Xiahou Xian: Good enough.

Xiahou Xuan: I'm not sure on the effectivity of the reform. What was the intended replacement for removing local inspectors? Seems more like a political move than a reformative move, though I don't mind the Pol rise. And just off 89's pol?

Xiang Chong: Slightly fun that the head of Shu military affairs has such a stat line.

Xiang Chong: Arrowstorm for shooting at sound (and presumably not being accurate?)

Xiang Ju: Sure

Xiang Jun: I'd swap scribe for articulate due to compilation.

Xiang Kai: I would throw Jeer in there for pretty much telling the Emperor he was an idiot and insulting his lack of children, cause that leads into a real bad joke involving what Xiang Kai had, that the Eunuchs and apparently the Emperor didn't.

Xiang Lang: I'm leery on 90 Cha because everyone liked him. Like, there isn't an instance with him like bedding Liu Bei (Zhao Yun) or raising forces for an assault after two relative costly failures of an assault (Ma Chao) or restoring relations between Wu and Shu during a point where the annimosity was so much that the envoy sent was threatened with boiling oil before saying a word (Deng Zhi) where I could say he deserves 90 Cha. Low 80s, mid 80s, sure, but 85/86 is as high as I could see him, and I'd have him in the high 70s personally just for not knowing outside his respect.

Xiang Tao: Is the Xiang Tiao in the quote a misquote by you or a misquote by them?

Xiang Xu: The one thing I will say in his defense is that I read on tvtropes a CMOA where someone read scriptures to a bunch of people and got them to stop riotting. I wish I could find this and spent the last 20 minutes looking, but apparently someone else had the same insane idea, and got it to work.

Xiang Zun: Agreed

Xiangyu Yi/un: See Xianyu Yin. I probably just entered it like that without thinking, because there were two versions of the name, Yi and Yun, and for whatever reason added an extra g. Odd, because I made a mistake typing his name twice and carried it over here.

Xiao Qiao: Folk tales, Good. San, very good, but not citeable, might as well use it to spice her up.

Lady Xie: Well, it depends on when she married him and how old she was.

Xie Ben: Agreed

Xie Cheng: Tempted Study (e) for his photogenic memory (in-joke reference to a certain man recently elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Xie Chong: Agreed

Xie Gai: Agreed

Xie Guini: See what?

Xie Huan

Xie Jing: Agreed

Xie Jing: Historical? If he is, move the birthdate further up since he probably did nothing pre-220?

Xie Jiong: Agreed

Xie Li: Zhai Rong murdered an ally, what a shock.

Xie Qi: Agreed, tempted a higher Lead, high 50s, for the annoyance of his raids.

Xie Xiong: Poor brave sap.

Xie Xu: Agreed

Xie Ying: Not sure to keep his Cha low for being sent away twice or raise it for coming back both times.

Xie Guini: Ahh, this below.

Xin Chang: Smart sister, she's the one with 90 Int, right?

Xin Ji: I'd go higher since Rafe's wording seems to imply he took up after Su Ze's stuff and was pretty competent, maybe low 60s.

Xin Ming: Fun.

Xin Pi: Why I disagree on the Int drop and would move for a much higher Int for him:

1: Paints a very accurate picture of Yuan Shao and Liu Biao, enough so that it convinces Cao Cao of the right action.

2: Recognizes and convinces Cao Pi of the quality of the troops and to wait longer to prepare.

3: Sees the real reason for Sima Yi's memorial, recognizing his thought process and what he wants.

While not used as an on the field battle advisor, he's very intelligent on long-ranging implications across the state. I'd go mid to high 80s for his intelligence and insight (example: Cao Chong has like 70s int for figuring out how to weigh an elephant), off the 90s for a lack of battlefield stuff, but still very intelligent.

Xin Ping: Funny as the criteria for being loyal to Han Fu is to not reply about joining him.

Xing Ju: If I remember this, that will be my character's name next game.

Xing Yong: Either one works though.

Xing Zhen: Reluctant on Cha being so low. The Cheng Yu situation wasn't really his fault, and the Wu situation was more trying to keep Wei strong than being unpopular. I'd go either high 40s or low 50s Cha.

Xiong: More likely he wasn't forgotten, just the stele suffered wear and tear from years of faults.

Xu Jing: I like Liu Zhang just kinda shrugging his shoulders and saying that's the end after Xu Jing's actions. I still don't see enough poltical actions out of him, Excellency rank not withstanding, so I'd go lower 80s/high 70s pol myself.

Xu Rong: Agreed, I think he needs Flood for fjording a river, even if he was killed before he could get it to be useful.

Xu Shang: Innocuous for getting away as Xu Huang?

Xu Shao: I'd say he was just trying to escape the chaos.

Xu Sheng: Thoughts:

Skills: Arson (flaming reed trap), Inspire (the rally right before charging into Li Dian's lines), Rally (e) (having his men wiped out by a Typhoon and being able to gather them around him)

Stats: I definitely think he's smarter than a 56. The Siege Equipment, while taking time, was decent, and part of the victory over Cao Pi was the fake wall/fire reeds trap. Mid-70s there. I'd go mid-80s as well for his commanding role in two defences against Wei, even if its Cao Pi.

Xu Shulong: Sure

Xu Si: Agreed

Xu Tuo: Fits the timeframe.

Xu Xi: Agreed

Xu Xiang: Agreed

Xu Xiang: Agreed

Xu Xuan: Siegecraft and Aid for having a fortified mansion where he protected refugees, I highly disagree on the Cha because while he had disagreements with Chen Jiao, it wasn't strong enough to impact either's work, and he was in many ways beloved by the Cao's, plus the people he helped escape, plus the arguing against a plan wanted by regional officers, and getting it turned down. I had him at 82 Cha, maybe 70s for the quarrelling, but definitely respected.

Xu Xun: Nice guy, Yuan Shao.

Xu Yang: Agreed

Xu Yi: Agreed

Xu Yi: Agreed

Xu Yi: Assuming this is the one who was Administrator of Jiuquan.

Xu Yi: Agreed

Xu Yi: Missed the one who got acupunctured in the liver. Investigator, decent stats, low war.

More accurately, I believe that Yang Biao was already in the system, listed as a 142 birthdate. Yang Ci we added later, and I want to say his birthdate was cited at 135. Most likely we'd catch this when it came down to it.

Tarrot wrote:More accurately, I believe that Yang Biao was already in the system, listed as a 142 birthdate. Yang Ci we added later, and I want to say his birthdate was cited at 135. Most likely we'd catch this when it came down to it.

Xun Yin: Acumen, decent pol/Cha for debating with Kong Rong. Probably should add his cousins Xun Yi and Xun Qu. Xun Yi, Charge and military rank for being an officer. Xun Qu, peasant stats and head of the family.

Novel: With Zhong Hui about to be killed by Shu's Lu Xun, Xun Kai shoots Lu Xun. Promoted to the guards and sent against a pass which eventually surrendered. As a Minister, urged the ruler to pick the eldest son rather then the youngest. History: Married a Jin princess and was well liked by his in-law's, the Sima's. Sent to inspect the retarded crown prince, claimed there was improvement though the other sent claimed there had been none. Cha raise, Missile, charming