Did the Jigglypuff line used to be all-female? I feel like the 3-1 male ratio is new or maybe I'm just mistaken. <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Did the Jigglypuff line used to be all-female? I feel like the 3-1 male ratio is new or maybe I'm just mistaken. <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

backwards sprite

Should it be noted that its Red/Blue sprite is facing the wrong way, AWAY from the opponent? Or was that a mistake Bulbapedia made? Bttsstewart 04:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Someone fixed it. Nvr mind. Bttsstewart 09:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros.

The paragraph under Other appearances and for Super Smash Bros. seems to be almost totally unrelated to Super Smash Bros. Perhaps there is a link I am unaware of. Even so, the paragraph has a few grammatical errors and could have been written better alltogether all throughout. Is anyone aware of what the author was trying to say? Also, if this paragraph does indeed have links to Super Smash Bros. melee as the title say, could anyone rewrite this in such a way as to indicate this link exists? Purdyaw

Inflation =/= Levitate

I don't really think that trivia about Jigglypuff not being able to levitate should be there. It's fairly obvious Jigglypuff can inflate itself giving it a small amount of lift, but it cannot levitate as it cannot stay up forever. Unlike Pokémon like Koffing or its evolution which use a gas to stay afloat Jigglypuff is not filled with a gas that lifts it off the ground, instead its air is used to keep it from running out of breath while singing. It's more like a balloon filled with oxygen rather than helium. Remember, just because a chicken is a bird and has wings doesn't mean it can fly. :D But if you wanna argue about it, do it here. Stop the editing war. (P.S. If you want to argue about Pokémon Snap, remember that Weepinbell and Victreebel also floated, Magneton weren't stuck together, you used pester balls to evolve a Grimer, and Koffing had a hold on Jigglypuff without any arms.) ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 03:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

In all honesty, I don't think any such argument need ever be started after you so thoroughly shut down the notion; it is blatantly obvious that Jigglypuff is not a Pokémon given to the ability to keep off the ground, and so noting that it cannot do this seems utterly silly. (Also, sorry about the editing war; I just figured reverting and providing a comment would be the easiest way for me to talk to Vuvuzela about it.) —hexagonTHEORY 03:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

If you think it should not be there then feel free to take it down, I still think it is relevant, Jigglypuff not being able stay in the air forever doesnt seem like a good reason to take it down though, Vibrava can barely fly yet it has the Levitate aility, and I also do not see what you mean by "stop the editing war",there was never an edit war going on, the edit was only reverted the one time.Vuvuzela2010 04:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Twice actually but anyway, Vibrava can fly just fine, not sure what you're referring to. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 04:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Vibrabva's Sapphire & Emerald Pokedex entries both say they are crap at flying (not in those exact words of course) but it still has the ability. Jigglypuff is seen to be able to float for a long time in Snap, presumably longer than Vibrava. Also, it would not be obvious to many newer fans that Jigglypuff is capable of floating in the air, which would be a good reason to keep it on the page.Vuvuzela2010 04:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of how well Vibrava can fly, it can fly; the title of this section is the perfect counter to your argument. Despite Jigglypuff's ability to remain in the air for any given time, it is quite clearly doing so via inflation and not levitation; as such, it should have nothing to do with the Levitate ability. —hexagonTHEORY 04:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

It says it can fly short distances, doesn't say it can't fly. I've already ruled out that Pokémon Snap has got a lot of questionable content so using that as your definitive proof isn't entirely constructive. It's the only form of media to ever show Jigglypuff hovering. Every other source has no information of Jigglypuff capable of such feats. Even in Smash Brothers it falls after a very short period of time, and in side games like the Ranger series it never says anything in the browser nor do they fly in-game. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 04:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

*cough* Snap isn't the only media to show Jigglypuff hovering. Werdnae(talk) 04:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Vibrava is not levitating either, it is flapping its wings to fly, so the same argument could be used for Jiggly, as Jigglypuff keeps itself airborne by sucking in lots of air, rather than levitating.Vuvuzela2010 04:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

You do recall that you're the one who initially mentioned Vibrava, right? Either way, your own words: "rather than levitating"; have you genuinely not yet concluded that Jigglypuff isn't a suitable candidate for the Levitate ability? «hexagonTHEORY» 04:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

That's kind of a silly statement. Air isn't less dense than air. :P Just cause it fills itself with air doesn't mean it'll fly. And ah, I only just got into the manga so I must have forgotten. But the manga also has some content not consistent with the game's data, and while Green's Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff may be able to fly, it's not stated in game that normal Jigglypuff can (sorta like how her ditto made her look like Sabrina when Ditto can't really transform into people). Now if it actually said in the Dex "It can float short distances" then it might be noteworthy. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 04:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Alas, the trouble of one fandom being split into twenty-odd canons. «hexagonTHEORY» 04:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

How did Flygon not come up in this? The point of Vibrava having Levitate is the same as Flygon. They can obviously fly, but they are also obviously not Flying types. Therefore, they have Levitate. R.A.HunterBlade 05:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Jiggly has been seen to float, in 4 different canons, so it does deserve a mention, granted, the manga might be bit dodgy (they had zombie pokemon & a sliced up Arbok), but still, as for the sucking in air, thats game/anime physics for you. As for Vibrava, the main reason it has the ability is because it can stay in the air for a time, thus giving it a reason to be immune to Ground attack, Jigglypuff can stay in the air for a time, thus giving it a valid reason to be immune to ground attacks. Actually levitating has nothing to do with having the ability. For example, Regirock has the Clear Body ability, yet unlike Regice or Tentacool its body isnt intended to be clear.Vuvuzela2010 05:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that Jigglypuff has demonstrated an ability to remain off the ground (but not levitate) in various portions of the canon, but definitely not within the main series of games, which is the only relevant one when it comes to determining whether or not a Pokémon is a suitable candidate for an Ability. By all means, feel free to put the information somewhere more reasonable. «hexagonTHEORY» 05:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

True, the names of abilities can be dodgy sometimes. Like Flygon and Vibrava cannot levitate. They just can't. Neither can any other Pokémon that has wings and/or can fly. However they can fly giving them the ability levitate. Clear body prevents stat reduction, however none of the Pokémon that have it are transparent save for Regice who you can kind of see through. That's because when it says a "clear body" it could mean that it's so focused that it doesn't let outside forces effect its performance. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 05:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

This youtube video shows the new Black/White animations, Igglybuff floats for most of the animation, Wigglytuff sort-of does for a second, but ironically Jigglypuff doesnt float at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szfisau761w
I think Tentacool & Tentacruel are also meant to be clear like Regice however, just like real-life jellyfish.Vuvuzela2010 05:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Well Igglybuff is barely 2lbs and Jigglypuff is 12lbs. As for Wigglytuff, it just jumped and displayed the inflation that just makes it fall slower. With Igglybuff floating, you could argue it's only the wind. I mean look at Hoppip. It gets blown away by wind and it's just a pound lighter, so that extra pound Igglybuff's got could be just enough to keep it afloat for a bit but not blow it away. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 06:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Both Erufuun & the Hoppip family are light enough to be blown away by the winds, Erufuun is 6 kilos, & Jumpluff is 6 pounds, (and its evo's are part Flying type possibly an early way of giving them immunity to ground atacks since there is nothing Flying-like about them), so the animations now imply that Igglybuff should have the ability Levitate...Vuvuzela2010 06:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Levitate grants immunity from Ground-type attacks because levitating Pokémon are never on the ground and so can't be hit by them. Are you saying Igglybuff is never on the ground? «hexagonTHEORY» 06:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

That sorta reminds me how in PBR Flygon stands on the ground and it's all "Earthquake failed". :P If anything we could just say Jigglypuff jumps high then slowly drifts to the ground. Sorta like how Blaziken can jump a 30-foot building. If it can fly or stay in the air on its own without the aid of air or other outside forces(be it gas or psychic powers), it's understandable why it has levitate. If it can stay in the air for a small period of time (or is pushed around by the wind) but is otherwise grounded, it doesn't get levitate. They're all just really light, but they can't fly or levitate. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 06:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

This is supposed to be an argument for why the trivia should be on this page, not why Jigglypuff and Igglybuff "should have the ability Levitate". Please keep it that way. R.A.HunterBlade 13:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The debate ended yesterday and it remained on-topic, so I see no constructive reasoning behind your late statement. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ 13:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I was sleeping during the 7 hours between the last edit and mine. I guess I should stay up 24/7 now, just so I'm not "late" on a conversation. And I was referring to a comment that Vuvuzela had made, but nevermind, if this is over. R.A.HunterBlade 22:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Gender question

Did the Jigglypuff line used to be all-female? I feel like the 3-1 male ratio is new or maybe I'm just mistaken. —Ve№moth ♦ 20:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)