I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

Exactly. If memory serves correct, it was the very head of the Nazi party that ended up killing Hitler. That's the only dude who deserves praise and recognition.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

You did not actually read the article did you. While that is certainly true of some of them, it is not the case here.

I don't really understand the plaudits for these people. Yes, they tried to kill Hitler. In 1944. The damage was already done. The only reason they tried to kill him was that Germany was losing the war. Not the evil, not the genocide, not the racism - they turned on him because they were losing. That's not that honorable.

MrHappyRotter:Adolf Oliver Nipples: I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

Exactly. If memory serves correct, it was the very head of the Nazi party that ended up killing Hitler. That's the only dude who deserves praise and recognition.

MrHappyRotter:Adolf Oliver Nipples: I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

Exactly. If memory serves correct, it was the very head of the Nazi party that ended up killing Hitler. That's the only dude who deserves praise and recognition.

If I understand you correctly, say what you like about Hitler, but at least Hitler killed Hitler?

Omahawg:I thought most support for the nazi's came from the lower and middle classes? wasn't himmler a chicken farmer or something? definitely not the german military junker class

Depends when you're talking about. When they came to power? Correct. But Hitler purged the army of pretty much everyone who wasn't loyal. The most famous of these incidents is The Night of Long Knives. By the time WWII actually started, the military was pretty damn loyal.

djkutch:MrHappyRotter: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I'm having a hard time justifying the Hero tag here, subby. The officer corps loved Hitler and how he restored the army to its glory. They voluntarily joined the Nazi Party, followed his orders vis-a-vis the Holocaust, invasions, etc., and only turned on Hitler when it was evident they were going to lose if he remained the leader. They would have followed him forever had Germany kept winning.

That this guy was going to do something that seems noble in hindsight doesn't really whitewash what he had done before to rank up high enough to even have a shot at killing Hitler.

Exactly. If memory serves correct, it was the very head of the Nazi party that ended up killing Hitler. That's the only dude who deserves praise and recognition.

If I understand you correctly, say what you like about Hitler, but at least Hitler killed Hitler?

DamnYankees:Omahawg: I thought most support for the nazi's came from the lower and middle classes? wasn't himmler a chicken farmer or something? definitely not the german military junker class

Depends when you're talking about. When they came to power? Correct. But Hitler purged the army of pretty much everyone who wasn't loyal. The most famous of these incidents is The Night of Long Knives. By the time WWII actually started, the military was pretty damn loyal.

Yup, especially after France was a cake walk. The military only started to waver after the war against the Soviets started to fall apart. The few officers who were against Hitler from Day 1 were either goaded into killing themselves or packed off to China to train the KMT. After Hitler sided with the Japanese, those officers were called back and fobbed off to bullshiat jobs since their time in China had taken them out of circulation long enough for Hitler to neutralize whatever power they had.