Not really, this topic was just bumped and I thought it mentioned the latest slaughtery of an uk soldier by a black man. Then I read few lines.. like:
[mash]:"If that's some stupid meme, I will drown you in your own blood. "
"You're going to die.

the same as every 3 or 4 months, some nig got shot dead, but got shot in north london where all the fake goths live, and not in the south east where they nigz think brixton is kingston but all african n shit

init, above the streetz, the triads kick back in china town ruling organzied crime of london, then you get a handful of proper yardies trying to get it on and fail

Chris Green
its about time hard working englishman rose up and took our country back!!! we pay for these cunts to sit on their arse, we pay for their health care and who do they think is goner pay to put this shit right!!! deport them, kill them what ever as long as they are not draining our short resources anymore111 their is no place in our nationfor scum like this!!! let this be the beginning of us taking our country back!!!!!!

Mandie Garwood
DO WHAT THEY DO IN SAUDI...CHOP THEIR F'CKIN HANDS ORF!!!!!

Glynis Lettis
If the police have the knowledge to track down Paedophiles on Facebook, then please tell me why they didn't see this 'Thug War' coming!! This has been arranged over weeks not Hours!! At least they could have curtailed some of it! also they have the Technology to trace Muslim Bombers addresses!! So Why! did this happen!!!!

some little chav shits running riot and taking the piss as the police are being very lenient with their response (due to the age of these cunts). Two of the worst affected areas are either side of where I live, so fingers crossed they haven't got change to hop on a bus!

cctv can not prevent anything, but the aftermath will be brutal. met police has already started posting pictures on flickr of 'disorder suspects', did that happen before in the uk?

what happened to "everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which they have had all the guarantees necessary for their defence" :?

http://www.met.police.uk/disordersuspects/
Operation Withern is investigating the serious disorder and violence that has been affecting parts of London. Today (Tuesday 9 August) we are releasing the first of many images of suspects.

also good to know,BlackBerry owners using the private social network to message each other and plan unrest could find their personal information – including their names and those of their contacts – handed over to police as part of their investigation.

The BlackBerry-maker, Research In Motion, on Monday vowed to cooperate with the Scotland Yard inquiry following claims that BlackBerry Messenger played a key role in helping to organise the violence.

all this happening while i'm on holiday in a £1k a week apartment in south france about 10 minutes away from monaco and with a view of the sea to wake up to, all under a radiant sun. talk about great timing to be abroad!

At the start it was race related, mostly black people kicking off because one of their "brothers" got killed.
They still have this hierachy of togetherness when it comes to one of them being killed by an outsider, but are happy to knife each other on a daily basis. When a white drug dealer gets killed, white people celebrate. When a black guy gets killed by the police, its police brutality/racism etc. Black people are still so insecure about themselves, and that will never ever end as long as they live in predominantly white countries. If they don't like it, fuck off back home, otherwise be grateful and think of how shit your life would in your indigenous homeland, where many of the them such as Jaimaca still wish they were under British Rule.

The guy that got killed was a drug dealer with a loaded gun in public. In London.
Whether he shot it or not is unimportant, in this day and age, however it happened, it was his own fault and you won't here me crying about another wannbe gansta nigga with a loaded gun in public who got 'unlucky' because had he not already killed someone, he would have. Better he dies now than hurt others fo an ipod or whatever gadget gives him the street cred he can't do with hard work. And my attitude would have been the same if he was white.

From there, it spread to other places, and is now not about race, but simply about all the dregs of society feeding off the social energy of it all, mostly stemmed from skanky broken familes who spend their lives on benefits popping out more kids, with each generation getting worse and worse.

what exactly do you know about life in london, about the effects of immigration, about local crime activities? correct me if i'm wrong, but you live in swansea, which is a 200k town in the middle of nowhere in wales.

what is it that makes you an expert on the causes of whatever is happening right now in london? how do you know more than the rest of us when it's sitting in front of our pcs watching the news unfold for most here?

you sound an awful lot like those awkward 'right-wing' people around germany, who are living in small rural towns complaining about immigration/the blacks/arabs/etc. without ever having seen one in their day to day lives.

Its quite ironic you're attempting to lecture me based on where I live without knowing where I have lived. I have also lived in London and while it was never a problem in the areas I dwelled such as mayfair/canary wharf/belgravia, these are the few exceptions. The rest were teaming with foreigners.

Over 70% of people in the uk think there is a major immigration issue (by the time you factor in the left wingers, and other immigrants or those with ties, its an overwhelming majoirty) so if you think this is the odd right wing whine from a country bumpkin you're mistaken. Its most indigenous people and that's a tough pill to swallow.

Its funny cos in the areas in london/birmingham where there was violence and rioting it was mostly black people, but its mostly white people involved in the cleaning up of the streets in those very same aras, with the odd asians protecting their mosques.
Even today I went into town and there were muslims collecting for the islamic relief fund, you seldom see minorities working towards the greater good, its always about them, how they can get more and more. How they can build up their communities which consist of them only.

black people are predominatly a more viloent and dysfuntional race of people as whole, you only need to look at the countries they run for themselves to see that.

Even countries like jaimaica wish they were still under british rule.

That's not to say the UK does not have its own home grown shit becuase it does, BUT there its a lot easier to swallow.

When you watch these shit bags on TV screaming that our GVT/Police are racist, how they don't have this or that, people here jsut think you're not wanted anyway. So fuck off.

Even the good ones, it only takes a few bad eggs to fuck things up, and over time every single ethic group in this country will produce those people with their own agendas where not a month will go by with one of them being upset about something because so many people are pulling in different directions, while the people who made the country what it is are supposed to just sit back and deal with it.

Its not going to happen, things are changing and things can change very quickly.

tl;dr version:
you do not currently reside in the london area and therefore know as much (or as little) as the rest of us, but you like to assume lots of (bad) things about people of color/what you perceive as immigrants or 'non-english' persons.

in other words, whatever you say is mostly fueled by your intrinsic racist thoughts, not facts. my own interpretation of the current events is vastly different from yours, but i have no intention of discussing this any further with a racist, so this is good bye.

please, don't reply with another magnum opus of yours, it would be in vain.

If you're going to use your laughable geography as a deciding factor than I regret to inform you that seeing as you're from germany, is less valid than mine.

Maybe you would like to see the UK topple, afterall, your immediate society has tried to topple it twice in the last 100 years.

I have lived and travelled extensively over much of the UK including the main 3 cities and have seen the differences in places where immigration is rife.

Why is this not happening in wales/scotland?
These places have some of the highest rates of unemployment/poverty, but they are also some of the most patriotic becuase they have not been filled full of immigrants which pull in seperate directions and make the people of those countries think they have lost control.

Without patriotism your country is fucked. English people have been made to feel ahamed, becuae their GVT are so concerend with upsetting an immigrant.

While trying to please everyone, they have pleseased no one and even pissed off their own people.

the opportunities you get in the UK are infinitely better than mostly anywhere in the world. i'm almost certain those areas regarded as "ghettos" pale in comparison with real ghettos from India, South Ameriica or even Eastern Europe.. and even if they are bad places compared to the rest of the UK, who is to blame for people having wild expectations for their lives when they don't lift a finger to better themselves and their environment?

from outside, especially from a poorer country like mine, it seems these people are not accustomed to hardships and throw a fit everytime things don't go their way. they're not grateful for their chance to live in a very civilized country, they also feel entitled to things they don't really deserve.. if you are an unqualified worker who didn't even finish highschool, tough luck! did you think the world owes you something?

even if it's entirely as you present it (it might as well be, i'm no expert in 1st world problems), the outcome of this chaos helps no one.

Problem is people now days are scared of kids, this look the other way attitude so now these kids think no ones gonna stop them doing anything they please.

Sure its black kids in the south but up north theres alot of white areas with the same problem, i saw on the bbc site in liverpool or manchester where it was mostly white kids you know those chavs that the white community let get away with the same bullshit

Its doesn't make any difference. you don't become british with such limited time here. Its takes a long time to obtain base values and with the way minority create tehir own little no go zones I don't think ever think they will become british enough to ever stop this BS. That doesn't mean all british people are innocent because they are not, but when a minority become a majority for starting trouble, things can change fast.

As for the white people in looting up north, I already said, they were just taking advantage of a bad situation, that's actually pretty normal social behaviour. It still spread to Birmingham second which was still loads of black people looting. Its only after that has it become more of an excuse for every bit of trash, and manchester has always been full of scum anyway, and nottingham has a big violence culture too. At least in Glasgow its other druggies killing other druggies.

But if black people, or muslims, or the billions of other migrants here are gonna kick off like this every time one of theirs gets a rought deal people will just kick them out because its easier if there were not here to begin with.

lol man you're chatting so much shit, my family were on both sides were prob more 'british' then anyone black or white under the ages of 40. I come from a large family, all working, none rioting

You seem to think black people are all the same, you prob wouldnt know an african kid from a west Indian kid, for a start one group has been here for 40-60 years the other ones growing and come from fucked up countries, some may even be 'child soldiers'

How many black people live in london?? how many people rioting in london? 1000 at the most, not all black. And all of those who arent in tottenham are also taking advantage of a bad situation but their black so its different to you, if you think taking advantage of a bad situation is normal social behaviour then you're part of the problem

your brother (real one) is walking down the street and walks out in front of a car driven by someone with insurace & dies. The driver was not at fault.

TEST 2

your brother is walking down the street and walks out in front of a car driven by someone with no insurance & dies. The driver was not at fault (beyond the fact that he had no insurance)

Which one is easier to swallow?

And its the same with immigration, people in the UK do not class you as essential. to being here We're not grateful you're here, you are, we're not-which is why you clock to us, not us to you.

So when you play up, you remind everyone that if push came to shove, it would be easier if fewer of you were here for the greater good.

No matter how many good minorities there are, every single one will breed a growing sect of utterly dysfunctional ones who pull in different social directions and the most migrants that come here, the more factions that come to fruition, until eventually not a month goes by when something isn't kicking off cos they discover life isn't what they thought and resent or attribute it to racism, while over looking the fact they have an amazing opportunity by being here in the first place compared to where their reality would be otherwise.

If it not the niggaz with their knife/gang culture.
Its the muslims with their fucking allah.
Or its the scummy benefits culture (inc whites)

Don't matter how small a % it is, its a still a problem the UK should not have to deal with and does not want to.

Its a tough pill to swallow, but life in the west is going to get harder and things are going to get a lot nastier.

When there is plenty of food around people are happy to share, but things change and when they do (and they will) then the real problems will kick off and thats why the things I am talking about will really boil over. Thigns will not get better for ethnic minorities, they will get worse.

With hindsight, if the UK GVT knew what it did today 75 years ago, things would be very different. So by definiton that makes them racist? Cos I'm pretty sure that's the conclusion people like you reach to the second you're given the run of the country.

Now everyone just tip toes around like there is not a looming problem, when the simple truth is life would be easier and better if you were not here in the numbers you are, not because of the decent one,s but simply becuase of the INEVITABLE problems that will arise from a handful who have unattainable standards that will never be met in their eyes.

The only way to solve the problem would to toothcomb everyone, letting in millions of people with no idea of their religions/political/cultural motives was doomed to fail in the long run.

People think immigration in the UK has been a success, but its way too short to measure yet, and IMO the cracks have been showing for sometime and will get a lot worse.

So I'm glad these riots happened, you only needed to look at teh black polic officer in the back of the PM's speech to realise, they know its a colour problem, that was #10's way of trying to neutralise it, becuase from their POV fixing a problem is a lot easier than saying, this is not going work.

We're still at the try this, try that stage. But like I said, once you reach that threshold where the solutions are not working, then you get what happened here.

baically it boils down to you think that no matter what, things should change here to suit migrant needs and until it does, everyone is racist and against you.
I'm telling you that that will only work for so long, and things will change fast and you might be forced to pick a side whether you like it or not.

From my point of view, the cause is pretty simple.
Hunger breeds desperation, and desperation breeds violence.

The UK has a history of exploiting less developed countries with their colonialism and drain on third world countries for their resources, riches and labor forces. The pillars of it's wealth, industry and life standard stand on foundations of massive theft and exploitation. Which is normal. EVERY country in the world has done (or tried to achieve) the same. BUT, being as successful in the pillage and well-developed as the UK has been in the past 40-50 years or so, the great progress was sure to bring in lots of poor people who seek a better future - either from the Commonwealth states, East Europe, or w/e. The majority of these people came to UK not to become doctors, lawyers or upper-mid class members, because they faced a silent brick wall in the form of discrimination and racism. Which is also normal. Like it or not. xenophobia is a common and quite logical reaction to a sudden change in the demographic structure. From there, Immigrants were left with a choice - work hard for a minimum wage income only to be exposed to discrimination, racism and inequity; or life off the welfare system (which provides for a life infinitely better than the one led in their previous home, but it's still poverty). Some chose the former and some the latter.
They quickly realized that they could not cope in a white man's world on their own so they formed their minority centers, hubs if you will. e.g. every major city of the world has it's Chinatown, little Italy etc. Also, they realized that they can fight discrimination only with discrimination and non-conformism. That's why most of Chinese immigrants never learn English or assimilate themselves into the new society. They hate their new country and try to preserve their own culture there. That's why right-wing parties are gaining political strength every day in the western world. It's a normal reaction to the cultural and social invasion of their society and it's values.
This kind of antagonism was sure to explode someday. Look at Brevik in Norway recently. Look at neo-nazis in Germany in response to the Turkish, Indian and Balkan invasion of their country. The African refugee camps in Italy and the military patrols along the south Apennine coast. The Indonesians and Chinese in Australia. The list goes on, and the worst is yet to come.
There is no simple solution anymore, other than sealing off the borders and trying to make best of a situation before the influx of poverty increases even more.
I would consider myself more left-wing than right-wing but I would never leave my country just to scrape up social welfare checks elsewhere and live like a worm when i can make a decent living right where I am (no matter how hard it would be), but i do understand all the Pakis, Chinese and all those who try to seek a better living in the white world.

This issue will not be solved in the future, only worsened. Further immigration restrictions will only strengthen the antagonism on a world scale and induce massive riots, maybe even wars; and status quo will accelerate the social and cultural decay of western countries.

Well if you look at the kids looting and what they're saying over social media and even to reporters from conventional media (they have the audacity to do this live on national TV) it's hard to see it any other way. The vast majority are seemingly from middle class backgrounds and are just grasping this opportunity to raid JD Sports or Game. They have no political agenda or reasoning behind this other than being drunk on consumerism (and cheap booze they nicked from Tesco on the way in to town). Listen to some of the interviews floating around or some of the stuff posted on Twitter. It is mind blowing. I'm not saying that there may not be a few with a 'righteous' agenda, but the majority are spoilt middle class kids. I mean they're organising a lot of these meet up with blackberry messenger. I can't fucking afford a blackberry!

what can i say? spoiled brats, ungrateful for their chance to be born / live in a great city and country. what really could they say to change my opinion?
even if this was a "legit" riot without looting, do they think they have it so bad to resort to destruction of property and perhaps ruin other people's lives? whatever the case for their lives being "shit" (by western standards) is mostly their fault anyway.

I currently reside in a Sub-urban middle class area in south east London and part of the riots took place in shopping districts about 15 minutes commuting by train. Nothing here except more talking points for watercooler/pub/facebook.

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the scale of this is too massive to be painted as purely mindless and opportunist. this is the result of social neglect the root of which goes beyond any individual. why doesn't this happen in rich neighborhoods? surely they can be mindless and opportunist, as well? people are all the same, the only thing that's different is the environment in which they live in. a whole generation of certain youth ignored and left to rot with indefinite unemployment, poor housing and no opportunities. picked on by the police, these people get no respect so why should they give a fuck?

this isn't about good or bad people, this is sociology. the uk have only themselves to blame. world champions - class division.

am I defending anyone? I obviously think what is happening is revolting. the questions remains what drives large groups of people in several different populated cities to turn into animals? are they all malevolent by nature, in contrast with the good-hearted privileged kids?
let's broaden the perspective:

in the US, 1 in 15 black americans children have a parent in prison compared to 1 in 111 white children. while it's easy and proper to single out a particular person from a particular case and judge them, lets say a black rapist, when we read this statistics do we then conclude that black american parents are inherently more evil in contrast with white parents? or do we conclude that the root of the problem is much deeper and that it's a societal problem. are we then defending the rapist?

just because you have food in your stomach and compared to Africa you live in a first world country it doesn't mean you're not gonna feel marginalized when you live in a shitty neighborhood ignored by the authorities for decades, harassed by the police, when you never have any money and when you have no realistic prospects for a good life. we're always going to set the bar to what we see from across the street, not Africa.

Only one white country is listed in that top 10 (Russia) and they are not even in europe of the USA.

"Police hold black men responsible for more than two-thirds of shootings and more than half of robberies and street crimes in London"

Pretty impressive for a minority don't you think?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12900...z1UfmNUFPz
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Seriosuly, left wing idiots like you need to stop making excuses for immigrants in the western world and look at the cold hard facts. Even when black people are brought to civil countries they display the same pack behaviour which ruins their homes.

I'm sick and fucking tired of living a country which is being flushed down the pan by people most people in this country do not even want to be here and then being told you're a racist for pointing out the obvious facts.

Black people think they are victmiised in london by the police, yes and for good fucking reason. Even the one time someone tried mugging me in london it was a black guy. Another coincidence huh.

There are just too many coincides, the problem you have is you live in a sicklypolitically correct society (UK) that deep down can't admit its installed a HUGE problem in the country and are trying everything to make it work and it NEVER WILL.

Yeah I know OMFG RACIST!!!!! Sorry, that's lost on me a long time and ago and gets weaker in time as computers allow more and more data to be pulled and presented for all to see.

For anyone who has the balls to say what they want in life and is not blind, they think along the same lines too with over 70% of brits saying there is a huge problem, its not one or two, its virtually all of the, the only ones that don't are immigrants, left wingers and those on the fence.

I belive in coincidences, but I also belive that enough coincidences becomg a correlation which in turn become conclusions.
I have made mine from my observations of the world, not from influence someone else has told me (do I sound like the type of guy that buckles easy under social pressure?)

And all black people do is spout that the MET are racist. No the MET are NOT deluded self serving liars who do not lie to themselves about their culture being marred with social issues which they bring upon themselves.

Whether they are in london, or africa, or jaimaca, the data is always the same. At least the E. euros behave themselves, but then so did the blacks and muslims at the start, so who knows.
Its like anything, you go in low impact then when you feel you have enough influence you crank it up a notch.

London was once the envy of the world, now its an immigrant run shithole and the coke capital of Europe.

What a bunch of young people in one of the most developed countries/cities in the world at a time where the president of the USA is black and they have no hope?

What's typically interesting about your reply is you're keen to somehow imply everyone is the same, but if that were the case then who is to blame for these people being poor in the first place, which according you is to blame for this behaviour?

Oh please, not the imperialist british rule thing again?

wales is poorer and has more unemplyment than those people, no riots here. Also plenty of other people live in INFINITELY worse financial/life situations.

Its just more left wing, one size fits all brussels BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out people become desperate when hungry poor, what you don't seem to want to acknowledge is WHY<<<< are they in that position to beging with?

Surely its teh people of a country that make it what it is, so why is it different for them, while everyone else just gets on with it?

Going to blame black people for that too? What about Jeremy Kyle, how many black kids do you see there?
Just give up, that guy hit the nail on the head, poorer areas are more likely going to have higher crime rates.

FYI some people did try to organise a riot in Scotland over FB and were arrested pretty promptly, just figured I'd throw that in :)

Anyhow this isn't the first time the police have shot an innocent person for no damn reason, the last widely reported incident is the brazilian at the train station during the whole bombing scare. Then you have police officers who assisted phone hacking, and there are so many more that just fades from the news that demonstrates their corrupt and callous use of authority.

edit: stop using the Obama excuse, this is nothing to do with race at all.
I also see you've edited your post and removed scotland - but it seems there were 'minor incidents in wales' it just seems your people haven't really got the heart to go full on :)

BTW the biggest 'thugs' look directly at the people who run these "developed" countries. And I cannot be arsed to write a new reply to your latest post revamp.

Liverpool/Manchester were after shocks, this is pretty normal social conduct when things like this happen. Look how many of you torrent stuff because you know you can get away with it. Its the source and motivation for the source which is worrying. Not to say the UK does not have its own problems, but they are our problems we brought on and we'll fix them.

As for glasgow, once again, a fair point, but one MAJOR thing you ignore is its a problem that scotland is happy to deal with, because its stememd from its indigenous society.

Problems that are easier to accept becuase you feel a sense of blame or a motivation to put it right.

What you don't accept is when recent migrants who have been in the country less than 100 years come over and start misbehaving and changing the landscape of a city for the worse.

Most welsh people are pretty friendly, less friendly to English for some valid reasons, but English have a far worse rep than the welsh/irish/scottish combined when on holiday.

firstly, i didn't single out blacks from this crowd of rioters.. there are also chavs and prolly some middle easterns. why do you refer especially to them? guilty liberal much?

moreso, why do you bring up the situation of blacks in the US? we can all agree the US is a far worse place for minorities than UK, mainly because they don't get free healthcare or free access to higher education.

the questions remains what drives large groups of people in several different populated cities to turn into animals? are they all malevolent by nature, in contrast with the good-hearted privileged kids?

yes, they are malevolent by nature. most people are idiots and assholes, especially those in the lower classes who are really bad losers that won't accept their status. that's a reality of life!

you don't see "good-hearted privileged kids" rioting, just like you don't see good-hearted non-privileged kids rioting. don't try to make this a class struggle. it's not like everyone inbetween rich and poor was privileged as well.

if you don't have the decency and discernment to realize burning down small stores and looting is not an answer to anything, you failed in life and no one should take any reason behind your actions into account.

People like him are somehow making out its becuase they have no future, but its not as if the people doing these crimes have maxed out their potential in life or even come close, yet they are acting like they've just spend 25 years in education, got the best grades possible and been sent to the scrap heap.

These people are mostly wasters from an early age, its their fault.

Anyone with talent and drive in london has the world at their feet (academia/fashion/art/sport-they have it all) and with the president of the USA being black, the racism argument is even funnier.

Its just excuses. Wales and Scotland have it worse in terms of poverty/jobs, no riots here. WHY?

Becuase we have not broken our capitals by filling it with a billion different types of people who all pull in different directions.

London/England has, which is why they are one of the least patriotic countries in europe, becuase their own GVT are stripping away their identity and trying so so so hard to make the best of the shocking immigration problem the yhave where they try and please everyone and please no one.

You went on to argue it was human nature though, which is why I'm asking you to define human nature and to tell me whether or not everyone is aggressive and stupid by nature, or if this "human nature" somehow only applies to certain people.

yes, let's bog down the discussion with "definitions" and word nit-picking.

idiot.

apart from that, let me reaffirm aquashark's observation that people in eastern Europe (to stay in Europe) have significantly worse conditions/prospects than this "poor" rabble. i'm always amazed whenever westerners talk about having it tough and being poor -- try teaching in Romania, at 200e per month. that's the real, depressing shithole, not London!

"They shouldn't complain because some other people are worse off". What a brilliant line of reasoning. Wait, you think "teaching in Romania, at 200e per month" is having it tough? Try living in an Indian slum with no water or electricity! Wait, you think living in an Indian slum is having it tough? Try being a 8-year-old African girl who gets raped in her village every month by the same militias who killed her parents. Wait, you think that's bad? She shouldn't complain, after all she's lucky not to be dead like her brother. Man, you should have lived in England in the 17th century and in France and the (now) US in the 18th century, sharing your brilliant insights then would have spared us a few revolutions.

The reason I'm asking Aquashark to be more specific regarding his claims about "human nature" is that his entire explanation for the riots boils down to the rioters being "malevolent by nature". So yes, I'd like him to elaborate. If you're not interested in my exchange with him, kindly shut the hell up and don't reply to me.

wait, are you conceding my point? yes, there are billions of people (statistically: everyone), who have shittier life conditions and worse future prospects. yes, that means the rioters should shut the fuck up, count their blessings and go about making use of their fortunate circumstances.

and since you ask so nicely, i'll add another point for you to ponder: it's typically the rich kids who have these delusional leftist/socialist ideas: the french, belgian, german, english from well-off families, who never had to work hard or compromise in their life and who, god bless them, never will.

(btw i lived in belgium and i know how "productive" at work people are overthere. you're next on the list of bs countries going down, son.)

but fighting 1st world problems with 3rd world solutions doesn't seem inappropriate to you? (if these actual events were about fighting problems in the first place, they sure as hell don't seem like it..)

"It's easy to criticize looters who ripped off some electronics and tennis shoes... they are common criminals, and should get dealt with severely by the courts.

However, we are forgetting the biggest looting spree in human history - the wholesale rape, pillage and ransacking, of TRILLIONS of dollars, from the taxpayers of western nations by the international banksters and corporate Wall Street insider elites, in 2008 and 2009, and continuing to this day.. who do it just because they can. It's a big game in the fevered, sociopathic minds of those båstards; they are above and beyond the reach of the law, regardless of the country of citizenship.

Most of the commenters here are right to have a go at the UK looters, but in thge light of the real mega-crime wave of the millennium, have their sense of priority and proportion wildly out of whack."

So if someone rapes someone and they go to police, should they feel grateful that they were not killed instead cos it could have been worse?

You can use that "bigger picture" logic to justify anything, but it solves nothing, it just shifts blame and focus-a common tactic when lefties are pushed with racism-the constant excuses, ducking and diving. Yes those people are above the law, somethings just are.

Its doesn't mean everytime something happens you can throw up an example of a bigger crime, if the common man can't stop a bunch of youths from shutting down their country then they fucking deserve to be ripped off at an infinitely more sophisticated level.

"hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture"

Actually that's just what iditos like you elevate people to the second they don't fall in line with what you want them to think.

Over 70% of the UK have a problem with immigration, I guess they are the same too. Just learn to accept people have different opinions. Now, go tug your little winky good night and have a game of something on your computer like a good little boy.

Had to lol at that, yes they asked every single white person in the UK, and yes the BNP are currently in power right now.

Guess what colour the attacker is believed to be?

So you are saying only black people commit crimes? Didn't I show you that Scotland has the highest crime rate in Europe?

You don't get it, you wouldn't see any middle class black people murdering so callously, there are murder cases for all classes and races sure, but it is more common amongst the POOREST.
Money is the biggest drive for crime, revenge/pride/gain etc is most likely secondary.

I'm just close to putting you on ignore really - you obviously aren't as smart as you'd like to think and I feel my brain cells diminishing just reading your crap.

People like you (usually from other countries or immgrants themselves) have to tried to accuse people ofbeing racist for years, but you're wrong.
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So you are saying only black people commit crimes? Didn't I show you that Scotland has the highest crime rate in Europe?

No that's how you interrept it, I said despite being a minority black people have an alarming amount of data which sees them as trouble makers which you cannot ignore unless you're black, or one of the many left wing nut jobs.

You don't get it, you wouldn't see any middle class black people murdering so callously, there are murder cases for all classes and races sure, but it is more common amongst the POOREST.
Money is the biggest drive for crime, revenge/pride/gain etc is most likely secondary.

BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE FUCKING POOREST YOU STUPID IDIOT. Its jsut some BS argument you use to somehow ignore the points you do not want to hear.

I'm just close to putting you on ignore really - you obviously aren't as smart as you'd like to think and I feel my brain cells diminishing just reading your crap.

Every counter point you've made is wrong

Most people in the UK are fed up of the migration problem. FACT!-Apart from the ones that tarnishes them

Poverty is NOT the sole motivation for rioting-that's an excuse you latch onto when it gets a bit too colour related. There is a proven, gang, mob mentality tied into black people, which is supported by data from the london met, with black people being responsible for the majoirty of VIOLENT inner city crimes. Its a proven statistic which is even more worrying when you consider they are a minority and you only need to look at the countries where they come from originallyto see the trend exists there too. Its jsut a fact-a fct that you don't or can't accept.

By all means put me on ignore, I would not have to waste time pointing out that the conclusions you draw are wrong then, as I just have.

I can understand that Britain has an issue with immigration that does not benefit the country (i.e people who will also cause trouble) but check Canada out, they're stealing British graduates who can contribute positively to their country etc)

It is WHICH immigrants you target that matters imo, if a black graduate straight from Harvard University wanted to move to UK, I doubt there is much reason to deny him that provided he can get a good job and contribute to taxes. Similar with Asians who come here and practice as Doctors, Britain just needs to be stricter ;)

EXACTLY, there are other problems in britain, without having to deal with a load more of imported ones and a lazy jobless teen is pretty universal in this world (and this website no doubt) and not quite on the same scale as a minority becoming a majority at shooting and stabbing one another in the capital of a country they've migrated to over the last few genreations.

Is a jeremy kyle video of white bum teen your best counter point to me pointing out that the majority of violent crim in london is created by black people?

The only black guy I know from harvard is the president, the data from scotland yardis not lying, and it pretty consistent around the worlds from LA to NEW YORK.
BTW, how many hardvard black guys do you know living in london?

I did not say ALL black people were like that, its amazing half you sisses get in a fuss and draw conclusions from things that have not even been said.

And when I explain, you still ignore anyway cos you then feel stupid about it :)

man, I've been living off the government for years, not paying shit, having 5-6 children and living off the benefits while selling drugs for money under the table. i should just go burn down independantly owned stores and rob other people because that's justifiable... i'm not getting enough stuff for free and i damn sure won't work for it.

These people don't own boats and airplanes to smuggle in that stuff. Once it hits the shore, it could be anyone's to peddle. Who's bringing that in is the root and that's what needs to be attacked. As far as homebrew goes, there are e-books on how to do that stuff. Anyone's game, literally.

'However "unacceptable" and "unjustifiable" it might be, it has happened so we better accept it and, whilst we can't justify it, we should kick around a few neurons and work out why so many people feel utterly disconnected from the cities they live in.'

'Unless on the news tomorrow it's revealed that there's been a freaky "criminal creating" chemical leak in London and Manchester and Liverpool and Birmingham that's causing young people to spontaneously and simultaneously violate their environments – in which case we can park the ol' brainboxes, stop worrying and get on with the football season, but I suspect there hasn't – we have, as human beings, got a few things to consider together.'

'How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few ****ing pairs of trainers[.

'These young people have no sense of community because they haven't been given one. They have no stake in society because Cameron's mentor Margaret Thatcher told us there's no such thing.'

'If we don't want our young people to tear apart our communities then don't let people in power tear apart the values that hold our communities together.'

I'm not a fan of the UK government, but to be fair, saying these people haven't been "given a sense of community" is bullshit.

Because giving them a sense of community is exactly the doctrine that has been rammed down our (=EU countries') throats for the past two decades. Billions of euros went that way. Countless hours of sweat and tears.

I agree that it has pretty much failed, and now it's time for a change. But saying we somehow didn't try is hypocritical, and disrespectful to all those who did try.

can we get more excuses for these losers? first it was police brutality (against an armed drug dealer), then it was race (until people realized there weren't only blacks), then the lack of a sense of community..

whatever the fuck it is, it's no rocket science to discern that robbing and setting buildings on fire with disregard of property or safety is an evil course of action

whatever the fuck it is, it's no rocket science to discern that robbing and setting buildings on fire with disregard of property or safety is an evil course of action

well of course it is!
whoever says it isn't needs a slap :)

can we get more excuses for these losers?

well perhaps we should just reach a conclusion that there is no explanation or excuse, and what they did was just wrong..

first it was police brutality (against an armed drug dealer)

hardly a justfiable excuse, don't even go there.

then it was race (until people realized there weren't only blacks)

Yus, that is way too common of a topic even today, quite sad really

Overall I think society here in Britain especially needs to prioritise really.. we're in a country where people are getting killed, mugged, evicted, raped and so on, no one seems to have the flare there, but destroy a few shops and the world storms, this is getting more headline space/duration than the Norway killer, atleast on the media outlets I read/watch (which do cover world news).

(The black community need to question why they have this stupid us VS them attitude everytime one of their "brothers" gets killed.
He was a scumbag gansta with a loaded gun in public covered in a sock to make it harder to trace when he used it and had links to major underground crime. They should be glad he died, but many black people place value in this shitty gangsta way of life)

The rest was other people taking advantage, this is pretty normal social pattern behaviour once a certain threshold has been crossed.

So BLACK PEOPLE were to blame for crossing the initial boundary, I'm not saying white people were perfect, but I'm saying without the initial damage black people did, it would not have happened throughout the UK like it did for the cause it did.

Look how many of you download software/music from torrent sites becuase you can, even though you would probably not steal them in real life, you justify it to yourself that's its more socially acceptable when deep down it isn't, its just so hard to stop you don't even consider it.

This is the behaviour im talking about once a certain threshold has been crossed. you've already seen white rich people looting.
That's just "get something for free mentality that we all have" if you went out side your door and someone dropped a 52 inch plasma tv there, many perfectly decent people would consider slipping it inside and not saying a word.

But things like this all originate from something, and in this case, the black community are to blame for starting the riots, with a good ratio of inner city ferrel feeding off that influence.

I also blame the news for brodcasting it, I was glued to sky news most of the time, having real time updates, seeing how powerless the police were.

This would not have happended had the black comunity not got all upset over a scum bag. Plain and simple.

I'm glad it happened, as sad as it sounds people only seem to pay attention when you do horrible things.

Its just a sad reality of the world which will not do anything until its too late or damage has been done.