The following questions and answers list about "Earl Turner" of the Turner Diaries is put together for the many new friends of PLE (Pioneer Little Europe).

Question: Was the main character in the Turner Diaries, Earl Turner, inspired by a real person?

Answer: Yes, it was loosely based on the name of Dr. William Pierce's personal secretary, just as a number of other characters were real people.

Question: As you actually knew Earl quite well, can you tell us a little about him?

Answer: Earl was originally from Pennsylvania, and for some years he was one of the very few people who actually took up formal membership with George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party. Years later, when he recognized the discomfort of even many proWhite friends, he would grin and refer to it as "The Cult."

Question: How did Earl come to the conclusion that the American Nazi Party / National Socialist White People's Party was actually a cult?

Answer: Sometime after Earl was sworn in as a full fledged party member, he was also sworn to secrecy about never mentioning how there are actually many known quotes from Hitler saying that National Socialism isn't for export. It's easy to understand why as well, as NS was an ideological synthesis derived from the political currents and customs of Germany.

Additionally, Dr. William Pierce eventually gave Earl a book called "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargant, which details out very well the symptoms of a cult conversion. Earl's eyes widened when he realized that he was reading about himself

And when Pierce and Lloyd broke with Koehl, that was when Earl decided to get out. I sided with Pierce and Earl, as their thinking was at least much more like my own. Earl liked to coin expressions, and so he dubbed this event "The Big Split."

Question: Many people believe in race, but what prompted Earl to actually move to the Arlington area and offer his services to the party in the first place?

Answer: Earl was emotionally stirred by the tragedy of Rockwell's assassination, and that's what caused him to relocate to the party headquarters in Arlington.

In the old news clips about the assassination, which is sometimes aired on the History Channel as part of a program about "Nazis In America," there's a scene of Rockwell's mansion up on Hatemonger Hill.

The young man on the right side of the front porch, with his arms crossed, is Earl. Two men in formal uniforms are on the left side of the screen, while Earl is in a short sleeve white shirt, armband, black trousers, and Black shoes (in front of the open door).

Question: From that 'Nazis In America" program and other media sources we've been told that Rockwell's assassin, John Patler, fell out with the ANP and Rockwell because he was trying to divide their members between those who had Whiter skin and blue eyes and those who had darker skin with brown eyes. Is that true?

Answer: What was going on there, beyond what the media was trying to absorb and express in a single sound bite, is that when Rockwell imported NS he also imported the idea that being Nordic was better than being Mediterranean.

Anyone with access to Rockwell's books can confirm for themselves that he did indeed employ this sort of value system, and as new members joined up Patler was more openly taunted by them for his dark Greek complexion.

Unfortunately for Rockwell, that particular ideological error, which was at the very least a serious faux pas of public diplomacy, was part of why John Patler climbed up onto the roof of a laundromat and avenged himself. Rockwell was the chief advocate of a way of life that treated Patler as an inferior.

Was Patler really an inferior? He certainly didn't see himself that way: Patler had long been Rockwell's editor, writing most of each issue of Stormtrooper Magazine personally, and was the virtual co-founder of the party.

Even the first issue of Rockwell's autobiography 'This Time the World' opens with a photo of Patler carrying a flag. That was, of course, edited out in the second and third editions.

Then after the Rockwell assassination, predictably, Rockwell's successor Matt Koehl continued the "imported NS" tradition by openly selling a booklet in the visitor's office at 2507 North Franklin Road called 'Our Nordic Race,' which argued that civilization's rise and fall is dependent on the Nordic subgroup.

The party's severe ideological troubles were publicly evident during the Patler trial as well, as many long time former lieutenants to Rockwell, those who only months before had broken away to organize themselves into "The White Party," comprised a support section for Patler that even dared to sustain a not so credible campaign about him being innocent.

Question Why didn't the ANP adopt the PLE approach, which allows each individual to freely decide on a personal or family level which subgroup they may have a personal preference for, if any at all?

Answer: The PLE concept did not exist at that time but arose as an ongoing learning experience about community building. When we impart this to anyone encumbered by their cultism, especially during the effort and stresses of PLE building, it acts as a deprogramming process.

Additionally, as Rockwell imported National Socialism despite Hitler's view that it shouldn't be, and it's an ideology that's long had a cult following among those who primarily self-educate themselves from the media, both pro and anti, even NS with a reduced emphasis on Nordicism is soon drowned out

Question There's a kind of fixed percentage of outsiders who will embrace imported National Socialism, but it's still a lot of people; so how will a PLE's growth ever surpass that?

Answer A PLE is the vessel of cultural revival, and just as movements of the past in Ireland, Germany, and elsewhere generated attractive and practical products and services to displace the old and unproductive ways, we must do the same. And until that happens, I assure you, cultism will rule.

Question: The American Nazi Party was obviously divided at times between the lighter and darker Whites, but who did Earl fit in with?

Earl did his best to get along with everyone, but when an Italian friend of his endured the same kind of treatment and then quit, it was one more factor that indicated to Earl that the climate of the party wasn't for him.

Question: Do you know of any public events that Earl participated in?

Answer: He was in quite a few demonstrations, including the party's picket against the war protesters at the Pentagon. That one erupted into a wild and vicious fist fight, with an incredible number of people trying to physically attack all the party members and supporters.

Earl, along with Rockwell's successor Koehl and others, fought their way to safety using the thick sticks that had held up their own protest signs. That event was also recorded in Norman Mailer's book 'Armies of the Night,' as Mailer was arrested there and put into a paddy wagon alongside party member Bill Kirstein.

Question: Was Earl ever arrested for anything during any of these party demonstrations?

Answer: Yes, there was another incident where party members demonstrated from the back of a huge open truck, and hundreds of antiwar demonstrators were sprayed with red paint shot from a fire extinguisher. Earl was one of the stormtroopers initially charged with being responsible for this, but there was a lot of confusion about who did what and a lack of cooperative witnesses, so the charges were eventually dropped.

Question: What was Earl like on a personal basis?

Answer: He had an especially good sense of humor, liked to play practical jokes, and enjoyed big steaks or sea food. He was also one of the very few party members with a vehicle and a girlfriend.

Question: What else did Earl like to cook at home?

Answer: He especially liked Tuna Fish Casserole, which was made this way:

A half package of long & flat style noodles was first cooked in boiling water, and strained. Then two undiluted cans of Campbell's "Cream of Mushroom" soup, and a regular can of "Chicken of the Sea Tuna" (The type with vegetable oil) were added into the same pot. Then all this together was heated up again.

Question: What did Earl like to read?

Answer: His political reading was very similar to the list that the NA still uses today, but he also had a strong interest in magazines like the Scientific American and the social planning of Napoleon Bonaparte. In 1971 a book called 'Corporation Man' by Antony Jay was published by Pocket Books of New York. Earl was highly enthusiastic about it and here is an excerpt:

Modern corporation man is a hunter who goes out each day to stalk his prey, kill his game, and bring it back to camp. And what's more, to do so he forms "ten-groups" - groups amazingly similar to prehistoric hunting bands!

Earl was, in fact, quite the bibliophile, and on one weekend he, I, and another friend toured some of the used book stores of New York. We were also taken to lunch in Greenwich, Connecticut by the top Irish book publisher of those decades, Devin Adair Garrity, who published such things as 'The Story of the Irish Race.'

When Earl became a publisher himself, he was requested by Germany's Otto Slorzeny to find Skorzeny's out of print account of his wartime adventures. It was an honor, and Earl took care of it without charging him.

He also loved a painting called "St. George and the Dragon" by Raphael (1483-1520, which is in the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC. One of the many visitor shop copies, with a wooden backing, was on the wall of Earl's living room.

He also liked Peabody, a genius dog who travelled back through time with his pet boy Sherman. Earl and I always thought of Dr. Pierce when we saw Mr. Peabody, as he was an kind of stereotype of an intellectual. And then there was 'Fractured Flickers,' a kind of unlikely redo of traditional children's stories.

Question As Earl sometimes had to look after Dr. Pierce's two six year old boys, what was the interaction like with them?

Answer: The boys were a fascinating sight, as they were dressed in matching suits and extremely self-restrained. They strongly reminded me of my own strict upbringing in England in 1953.

Back then my brother and I also had on the little suits, and my Irish mum also kept us in walking harnesses with leashes attached. Each one even had a picture of a dog on it.

Earl did what he could to get Pierce's kids to relax, serving them snacks that they were rarely allowed at home, but while they were helping us to stuff envelopes they seemed quiet and as rigid as little soldiers.

It didn't surprise me at all to learn that eventually their mom and themselves became estranged from Pierce, just as had happened between Rockwell and his first wife and children - then with Rockwell's second wife and children.

Shortly after Pierce passed away I happened to converse with one of the sons again, and he told me that he really didn't know much about his dad's life. He also expressed an enormous love for his father, but as this was blended with a firm rejection of his beliefs, it came across as a painfully uncomfortable mix.

Answer: He enjoyed hearing it all explained in enormous detail, and wondered aloud if we would actually see it happen in our own time. That was well before some of the details were fully worked out, so we simply referred to this peculiar strategy as "Cultural-Legionism." And the first name we gave to the mail order book business that we organized on the kitchen table was "White Legion Books."

Question Earl also became a publisher, what were some of his titles?

Answer Here are a few of them, followed by a history of revisionism by Willis Carto which places Earl's contribution within its development:

Question After you went to work for David Duke in Louisiana (see My Poltical Awakening), and later returned to California, what was Earl doing then?

Answer: He worked for the federal government in Washington DC, and his income enabled him to publish books. And for a time he was associated with both the revisionist writer Austin App and Liberty Lobby's Willis Carto.

Question As Earl was a federal employee, obviously he would not have approved of Tim McVeigh?

Answer: No, Earl would not have approved of hurting White people working in a federal building; especially those who were so innocent that they had never even been handed a political leaflet. And he knew that the children of our race are the future.

^^^Question As Earl was a federal employee, obviously he would not have approved of Tim McVeigh?

Answer: No, Earl would not have approved of hurting White people working in a federal building; especially those who were so innocent that they had never even been handed a political leaflet. And he knew that the children of our race are the future.^^^

I don't think the bombing of the Murrah Building can be summed up so easily.I read the Turner Diaries but I am no expert on William Pierce but I am a bit of an expert on Tim McVeigh. The reason McVeigh bombed the Murrah Bldg was because it had offices for the ATF, DEA, IRS and was rumored to be the bldg where the eventual "Rules of Engagement" for Waco came from.
It happened on 4/19/95, the 2 year anniversary of the killings at Mount Carmel of the Branch Davidians. McVeigh was also incensed about the atrocities that happened to Randy Weaver's wife Vicky, his son Sammy and the Weavers friend Kevin. April 19th was also Patriots day and many feel that the government purposely picked April 19th for the siege and the killing of the Branch Davidains(81 in all, I believe 21 children) and picked April 19th other times to raid the homes of white supremists and once picked it as the date for an execution of a white supremist. McVeigh, a gulf war veteran, had heard the U.S. Gov't say too many times how there is always going to be unfortunate collateral damage in a war. Innocent people die all the time in wars and the United States has always accepted that. McVeigh said you have to throw right back at the government what they throw at you. McVeigh eventually admitted to the bombing but always claimed he did not know there was a daycare center on the 2nd floor.
McVeigh's original plan was to assassinate Lon Horiuchi who just happened to be the sniper who shot Vicky Weaver and a gunmen in the snipers nest next to the Mount Carmel complex where many shots were fired at the Branch Davidians. He also wanted to kidnap or kill the judge who turned justice upside town at the hearing of 4 Branch Davidains who were deemed innocent by a jury until the judge overturned their decision.
McVeigh picked the worse of the 3 plans, definitely, he knew bombing the Murrah Bldg was the easiest one to pull off. If McVeigh would have choose one of the first 2 plans or manage to only kill the 'bad guys' in Oklahoma he would have been considered the Father of the new Patriot Movement.

^^^Question As Earl was a federal employee, obviously he would not have approved of Tim McVeigh?

Answer: No, Earl would not have approved of hurting White people working in a federal building; especially those who were so innocent that they had never even been handed a political leaflet. And he knew that the children of our race are the future.^^^

I don't think the bombing of the Murrah Building can be summed up so easily.I read the Turner Diaries but I am no expert on William Pierce but I am a bit of an expert on Tim McVeigh. The reason McVeigh bombed the Murrah Bldg was because it had offices for the ATF, DEA, IRS and was rumored to be the bldg where the eventual "Rules of Engagement" for Waco came from.
It happened on 4/19/95, the 2 year anniversary of the killings at Mount Carmel of the Branch Davidians. McVeigh was also incensed about the atrocities that happened to Randy Weaver's wife Vicky, his son Sammy and the Weavers friend Kevin. April 19th was also Patriots day and many feel that the government purposely picked April 19th for the siege and the killing of the Branch Davidains(81 in all, I believe 21 children) and picked April 19th other times to raid the homes of white supremists and once picked it as the date for an execution of a white supremist. McVeigh, a gulf war veteran, had heard the U.S. Gov't say too many times how there is always going to be unfortunate collateral damage in a war. Innocent people die all the time in wars and the United States has always accepted that. McVeigh said you have to throw right back at the government what they throw at you. McVeigh eventually admitted to the bombing but always claimed he did not know there was a daycare center on the 2nd floor.
McVeigh's original plan was to assassinate Lon Horiuchi who just happened to be the sniper who shot Vicky Weaver and a gunmen in the snipers nest next to the Mount Carmel complex where many shots were fired at the Branch Davidians. He also wanted to kidnap or kill the judge who turned justice upside town at the hearing of 4 Branch Davidains who were deemed innocent by a jury until the judge overturned their decision.
McVeigh picked the worse of the 3 plans, definitely, he knew bombing the Murrah Bldg was the easiest one to pull off. If McVeigh would have choose one of the first 2 plans or manage to only kill the 'bad guys' in Oklahoma he would have been considered the Father of the new Patriot Movement.

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Your "expertise" would have us believe that Tim McVeigh simply overlooked the children in the day care center, but he carefully pre-planned and included the children as targets because he sought revenge for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and their children.

Despite the fact that you and I have contrasting beliefs about this, and perhaps even very different values, as suggested by your quote:

"McVeigh said you have to throw right back at the government what they throw at you. McVeigh eventually admitted to the bombing but always claimed he did not know there was a daycare center on the 2nd floor."

I still think even your view should be aired on a PLE's open community forums.

You would, in that environment, then hear the views of those who are actually the parents of White children, and become much less concerned about which day of the week was selected to execute Tim McVeigh.

Your "expertise" would have us believe that Tim McVeigh simply overlooked the children in the day care center, but he carefully pre-planned and included the children as targets because he sought revenge for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and their children.^^^^

Well, I use the phrase 'expert loosely'. I mean, how do you officially become an expert on any topic?

would have us believe that Tim McVeigh simply overlooked the children in the day care center, but he carefully pre-planned and included the children as targets because he sought revenge for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and their children.^^^^

I believe that McVeigh targeted certain government branches because of his anger with what happened to the Branch Davidians, their children, the Weaver family and his son. Of course it is always much more tragic when a small child or baby dies. Especially the horrific ways those kids died, 1 11 year old shot in the back by federal marshalls and over 20 children at Mount Carmel who probably slowly suffocated and then slowly burned to death. The adults of course had gas masks when the fire started, a baby cant fit a mask on its face.That enraged McVeigh, was my main point. I don't think he killed children in Oklahoma city as revenge for the kids in Waco and Ruby Ridge. When I read his biography written by a couple of average beat reporters from his hometown in Buffalo(Lou Michael and Dan Herbeck) they constantly mention how he was very kind to white children, he babysat them, played with them, let them swim in his pool, etc.
Like most vigalante's he ended up killing innocent people and for that he deserved to die. But what the government did was worse. Shouldn't they be held to a higher standard? not a lesser standard?

You would, in that environment, then hear the views of those who are actually the parents of White children, and become much less concerned about which day of the week was selected to execute Tim McVeigh^^^

I feel horrible for those parents, as I have said I have seen many stories/documentaries done on the Oklahoma City bombing and I have heard many testimonies of mothers of the victims. Not to mention I personally had someone in my family who was murdered so I do know how they feel.
As usual the media spins every story to make it seem as sensational as possible. Everybody wrote him off as some brainless, neo nazi, right wing zealot, who blow up the Murrah Bldg because he wanted to kill children.
My opinions on McVeigh are no different than many other white people like Gore Vidal, the writers of the biography, Randy Weaver and many others.

PLEs are OPEN communities for all WNs with many different pro-White spins within, so Stormfront does not seek legal control or responsibility for any PLE built, nor is proof of existence given about any PLE project alleged to be in its first or "invisible" stage.^^^

I hope I am not judged because of one thing I wrote that could have easily been misinterpreted. I care about white children as much as anyone and if you get to know me over time or even read some of the other 7 or 8 posts I have written I think you will agree.

Your "expertise" would have us believe that Tim McVeigh simply overlooked the children in the day care center, but he carefully pre-planned and included the children as targets because he sought revenge for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and their children.^^^^

Well, I use the phrase 'expert loosely'. I mean, how do you officially become an expert on any topic?

would have us believe that Tim McVeigh simply overlooked the children in the day care center, but he carefully pre-planned and included the children as targets because he sought revenge for the deaths of the Branch Davidians and their children.^^^^

I believe that McVeigh targeted certain government branches because of his anger with what happened to the Branch Davidians, their children, the Weaver family and his son. Of course it is always much more tragic when a small child or baby dies. Especially the horrific ways those kids died, 1 11 year old shot in the back by federal marshalls and over 20 children at Mount Carmel who probably slowly suffocated and then slowly burned to death. The adults of course had gas masks when the fire started, a baby cant fit a mask on its face.That enraged McVeigh, was my main point. I don't think he killed children in Oklahoma city as revenge for the kids in Waco and Ruby Ridge. When I read his biography written by a couple of average beat reporters from his hometown in Buffalo(Lou Michael and Dan Herbeck) they constantly mention how he was very kind to white children, he babysat them, played with them, let them swim in his pool, etc.
Like most vigalante's he ended up killing innocent people and for that he deserved to die. But what the government did was worse. Shouldn't they be held to a higher standard? not a lesser standard?

You would, in that environment, then hear the views of those who are actually the parents of White children, and become much less concerned about which day of the week was selected to execute Tim McVeigh^^^

I feel horrible for those parents, as I have said I have seen many stories/documentaries done on the Oklahoma City bombing and I have heard many testimonies of mothers of the victims. Not to mention I personally had someone in my family who was murdered so I do know how they feel.
As usual the media spins every story to make it seem as sensational as possible. Everybody wrote him off as some brainless, neo nazi, right wing zealot, who blow up the Murrah Bldg because he wanted to kill children.
My opinions on McVeigh are no different than many other white people like Gore Vidal, the writers of the biography, Randy Weaver and many others.

PLEs are OPEN communities for all WNs with many different pro-White spins within, so Stormfront does not seek legal control or responsibility for any PLE built, nor is proof of existence given about any PLE project alleged to be in its first or "invisible" stage.^^^

I hope I am not judged because of one thing I wrote that could have easily been misinterpreted. I care about white children as much as anyone and if you get to know me over time or even read some of the other 7 or 8 posts I have written I think you will agree.

Sincerely,
'A friend of all good white people'

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Thank you for all of the above, as you are obviously a good person who wants to be faithful to the race. And I look forward to meeting you and many others someday in a true community, of which PLEs would be the beginning.

Thank you for all of the above, as you are obviously a good person who wants to be faithful to the race. And I look forward to meeting you and many others someday in a true community, of which PLEs would be the beginning.^^^^^

Haman^^^^

Thanks for saying that. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read my 2nd post in response to my first one. A lot of people love to judge others because of one thing they said or one idea they had. When you first meet people all you do is notice the differences but the more you get to know someone the more you notice the similarities, that's how friendships are made.
BTW I did some research on PLE's. Very intelligent idea. It makes me happy to know that white nationalists are continuing to move forward for the advancement of the white race. PLE's are a great example of white unity and can be very constructive. Take care buddy, I look forward to reading more of your posts on a variety of subjects.

Thank you for all of the above, as you are obviously a good person who wants to be faithful to the race. And I look forward to meeting you and many others someday in a true community, of which PLEs would be the beginning.^^^^^

Haman^^^^

Thanks for saying that. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read my 2nd post in response to my first one. A lot of people love to judge others because of one thing they said or one idea they had. When you first meet people all you do is notice the differences but the more you get to know someone the more you notice the similarities, that's how friendships are made.
BTW I did some research on PLE's. Very intelligent idea. It makes me happy to know that white nationalists are continuing to move forward for the advancement of the white race. PLE's are a great example of white unity and can be very constructive. Take care buddy, I look forward to reading more of your posts on a variety of subjects.