These “small government CONservatives” do have a rather obvious propensity to consolidate self-serving power when threatened, eh? Crony CONstitutional CONservatives loves them some globalism when Wall Street is paying for their indulgences…

WASHINGTON DC – A staffer for Republican Senator Mike Lee told trade experts at a lunch in Washington this week that he is looking into ways to curtail the president’s wide-ranging powers to impose tariffs, according to one of Lee’s aides.

The aide said a bill could be introduced as early as next week, and it may require Trump to go through Congress to use tariffs.

[…] The aide emphasized that the bill is not just a push against Trump on trade, but part of a broader effort to transfer more legislative power to Congress from the executive branch. (link)

Historically speaking, the constitutional founders understood the executive branch was structurally more aligned with pushing anti-American free trade policy. The founders predicted it would be the President who would push for open border trade, ergo they surmised congress would be the best protectionist check against globalist usurpation.

However, under President Donald Trump it is a patriotic economic nationalist executive branch, focused intensely on protecting America’s employment and manufacturing interests – and it is a modern congress fueled by Wall Street lobbyists willingly selling out middle-class workers.

Yes, as Jefferson rolls underground, the political paradigm has flipped – and with it, the internal usurping agents within congress must modify their angle of approach to ensure their efforts to sell out America’s interests continue.

Once again, we see the Trumpian sledgehammer destroy traditional frames of economic political reference and force sunlight upon the enemy inside the wire. The GOPe globalists can no longer hide, so they’ll circle their wagons and attempt to consolidate power.

Old yeller’s and crony constitutionalists soon to resurface on their behalf in 3…. 2….. 1…..

….”and it took him standing up for people to understand decades of economic deception”…

This is disturbing that a president claiming to want a smooth transition would fire the man commanding Nat’l Guard troops effective Inauguration Day. Trump should set up the process to reinstate this man at the very second Obama fires him. Very suspicious act on Obama’s part but he does love to fire military people.

If you read articles about that, the man sent in his resignation. All resignations are effective immediately at 12:01PM on Inauguration Day. So he effectively chose to do that himself. Also, Trump accepted the resignation and ALSO asked him to stay on through the inauguration. He declined. So I have no clue why this idiot is going out complaining that he doesn’t get to see his troops come back to base afterwards. It was HIS choice.

Intrigued by Renacci. Saw it suggested that he is considering a run for governor, and he is an ally of the woman who won the state party chair ejecting the Kasich machine choice. Do not know much yet, but certainly seems more likely than DeWine, Husted, or Taylor each of whom, as near as I can presently determine, are pure GOPe. DeWine and Husted are hopeless frauds.

Jordan does seem like he is trying, and the next months will truly test him.

Never Trumpers like Lee are never do wells. Keep in mind many of President Elect Trump’s enemies are also God’s enemies. They fool many with their pious religious remarks but their day of reckoning is at hand. Think about how many of them have perpetuated evil against American’s interests and well being.

One more week friends. Hang in there. It’s the last gasp of the Serpent. On the 21st all the enemy troops will have been exposed and then can be dealt with. The President Elect is fighting harder than any “politician” has ever done to this day. God Bless America.

Is it really necessary to call out the religion of these people? Do you have evidence that their religion is driving their behavior?

For some reason, some folks are very quick to point out religion when it is Jews or Mormons. Are you also going to point out everyone that is Catholic, or Evangelical, or Methodist, or Buddhist? If not, then don’t be calling out the Mormons. This ad hominem attack is a favorite of the Liberals. Let’s leave it to them and keep a higher standard.

You have your opinion of the Mormons; we can respect that. But unless you can make a connection between their religion and the topic at hand, it would seem inappropriate to bring it up.

What is that guys name again…Jeffs…Like him. Add Romney and Mcmullen Lee Beck Reid… I see a pattern and how many were willing to follow these clowns because of their religion…..Kinda like sheep…I thought I saw all that happen in Utah maybe mistaken……..

Ah, yes, but Jeffs is not a Mormon. For the rest, Romney, McMullin, Lee, Beck and Reid do not represent the leadership and doctrine of the Mormon church. They are just individuals who are making their own decisions based on their own experience and worldview. They certainly are not being directed by the church. Conflating their actions with their religion is false argument.

Oh, and you will note that the people in Utah voted overwhelmingly for Trump, so what does that indicate for your theory? There were a few noisy voices who put forth McMullin, but that got him nowhere.

Your right, just WOW! Are we even sure that Harry Reid even attends the Mormon church anymore? Maybe he has left the faith but hasn’t told anyone. And Romney has his freedom to say anything he wishes about anyone else. That has nothing to do with being a Mormon. Or are you saying that Mormons have to live by a different standard than say, Catholics or Jews or Evangelicals? Same for Glenn Beck.

The point is, I see too frequent comments here where we fall into the same behaviors that make us so angry when used by Liberals. This is personality politics, to take a hit at someone, not for what they said, but for their religion. Not cool!

Personally, I never had any problem with Mitt Romney being a Mormon – I thought well of him in 2012 and voted for him – I thought about other nice Mormon people with whom I had worked and it wasn’t an issue for me that he is a Mormon . . . but when Mitt Romney came out with the most vile, vicious statements against Donald Trump during the Presidential campaign, I could not believe my eyes and ears, but there he was, Mitt Romney, the man I had voted for in 2012 was now totally something else . . . or was he that way all along?

You see, I had been impressed with his wife, home, children, religious dedication (serving as a Bishop in his church).

Glenn Beck – used to watch him whenever possible on that show he had on Fox – learned about Cloward Piven, lots of other things – some things I knew but thought no one else cared about or worried about. Listened to his radio show. Then that deal when he went to the border with teddy bears when all those unaccompanied children were flooding in. Hmm. Then the anti-Trump vitriol during the Presidential campaign. I would have thought he would be FOR Trump. He was getting very wound up.

So during 2016 I’m thinking maybe that Mormon thing isn’t working for them (Romney and Beck) so well, as far as their character and stability – they seemed fit to be tied over Trump – but maybe that was just THEM, not being Mormons.

The last straw with Mormons as a positive, mollifying influence for me was “The Deseret News” coming out with an anti-Trump editorial right after the “Access Hollywood” story came out the previous Friday, October 7th, I think. They hit the ground running with it, so quickly after the “Access Hollywood” story. You would almost think it was a coordinated effort. October 10th or 11th, they came out with a slamming editorial against Trump – so, they were okay with Hillary? “The Deseret News” is a pretty old publication, going back to the very early days of the Mormons in Salt Lake City. Their long-standing, original motto: “Truth and Liberty” – that’s very nice and very good – but here they were willing to settle for Hillary where there would be NO truth and liberty would be soon gone, too.

I am not anti-Mormon but some of them (Romney, Beck and the people at “The Deseret News”) have made me think I should not automatically give them MORE credit for being “good examples of Mormonism”. They themselves discredited whatever salutary influence their religion is supposed to have – or maybe they just had a bad year!

Not sure how long you’ve occupied a branch here, pocket nuke, but we’ve been very vocal abt other churches making bad political decisions. Open borders and amnesty are touted by Catholic Charities, Lutheran Family Services and many other denominations of the protestant faith join the aforementioned in taking govt money to house illegal immigrants and refugees. These organizations have top heavy administrative bodies, much like the feds and public schools. They are addicted to that govt check and willfully forego national security and job stability for their parishoners to get it. For example, the Lutheran Refugee services webpage sounds alot more like a federal govt snow job than a Christ-centered organization. At the same time when the Left attacks them in a separation of church and state matter, they often roll over. Few of them acknowledge that one candidate in this primary and general election calls for the end of the Johnson Amendment, That person is Donald Trump.

Commenters here do not call out Mormons, Muslims, Lutherans, Catholics, etc because of those labels. They are called out when their policies are bad for America, or in some cases if their beliefs cause death and destruction to innocent people.

Russell Moore, of the Southern Baptist Convention is notorious for his open-borders advocacy. Not all So. Baptist churches follow his lead.

The Lutherans and Catholics involved in the Refugee scam are a “wing” of those church bodies; not all Lutheran Synods participate in it, nor do all Catholic parishes involve themselves in this particular grasping for filthy lucre — all in the name of compassion, don’t you know.

That’s the reality.

I doubt all Mormons are as deeply committed to undermining our national sovereignty and civilizational cohesiveness as those persons whose names are nationally known, like Lee, Romney, Beck, and Reid — however active or inactive they are in their local wards.
Wouldn’t it be nice to know some national Mormon figures who actually revere our Constitution and speak up for doing so?

“[The Constitution] is the keystone of our nation. It is the guarantee of our liberty. That original document, with the Bill of Rights, constitutes the charter of our freedom. Through all of the years that have followed we have had some ambitious men who have sought to subvert the great principles of the Constitution, but somehow we have endured one crisis after another. We have been involved in terrible wars during this, the bloodiest of all centuries in the history of man. All of this is part of the miracle that is America, the struggle, the travail, the bitterness, the jealousies, the cynicism, and the criticism. But beyond and above it all is the wonder of a nation that for more than two centuries has remained free and independent and strong, the envy of the world, the hope of the world, the protection of free men everywhere, the manifestation of the power of the Almighty.”

“Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?”

All citizens should be familiar with its great fundamentals: the sovereignty of the people, the structure of federalism that divides powers between the state and the federal government, the individual guarantees in the Bill of Rights, and the principle of separation of powers among the various branches of government. We should take alarm at and consider how to oppose any action that would infringe these fundamentals.”

It can’t be reconciled, any more than Pelosi or Ted Kennedy’s supposed catholicism can be reconciled with their politics. As for mormons, many of my neighbors are mormons and every single one of them supported Trump. And, as pointed out, despite the efforts of Romney and many others, we carried Utah with the help of mormon voters.

Jews vote 80% or more for dems, every single year, right? It sure as heck hasn’t anything to do with religious beliefs, quite the contrary, for many truly religious jews are on our side. Just pointing out that one’s stated religion can sometimes be a predictor of voting patterns, it often has nothing whatsoever to do with the tenets of the religion. I’d say evangelical christians are the exception, where their votes are often directly tied to their religions views. Mormons, I think not, other than the fact that mormons seem to me to be innately conservative and interested in doing for themselves and their flock, not asking the government to do it for them. American Jews? Most are simply secular leftists, who in truth practice no religion save collectivism.

So, there is some recognized group within the Uniparty that is just for Mormons? Are we attacking them because they are members of the Uniparty? Or because they are Mormons? What does being Mormon have to do with it? I noted that they used the word “cult” as well, so it appears this is meant to disparage.

Yes, there is. This group is especially vocal, with holier-than-thou attitude that is as fake and obnoxious as it gets. These people distinguished themselves by going to extraordinary lengths to defeat Trump. Incidentally, these people are Mormons.

It was Mitt Romney who delivered that infamous philippic; It was Mike Lee who tried to organize a coup during the Convention; it was Jeff Flake who was loudly trashing Trump whenever he got a chance; it was Glenn Beck who donned a pair of goggles before diving in a bowl of Cheetos; it was Evan McMullin who ran as a third party candidate to deny Trump… yes, the Mormon vote. Granted, Harry Reid is a libtard but he also went far beyond anything that could be remotely considered appropriate even by relaxed libtard standards when he smeared Trump that day in Congress.

There must be something in Mormonism, some special sort of intolerance and zealotry (just like in Islam?) that makes every Mormon politician insufferable. Sorry if I offended. Just my observation.

I have may friends and acquaintances that are Mormon because one of my homes is in an area with Mormon churches almost as prolific as Starbuck’s. They are stellar citizens in that they care for their families, abide laws, pay taxes, are generous, hardworking, self sufficient, kind and always helpful. Their children are polite and good all around kids.. All are registered Republicans and none voted for Trump.

They very much tend to think and act collectively as a faith. The women generally are in the home all day and most home school which is fantastic but they also all listen to Beck. All Beck has to do is start with his crying and claiming God has sent him and him alone some vision and these women are putty in his hands. They highly revere anyone in politics that share their beliefs and are very prone to hitch on to whatever political views Mormon legislators have. Do all Mormons fit this description? No, of course not, but many do, especially those in western states and among them, especially those living in remote areas.

The Mormon woman that made the big production abt refusing to sing with the tabernacle choir for the Inauguration is a classic example. She went into a heart string pulling explanation of why she can’t support Trump. It was basically verbatim from Glenn Beck’s radio show—-she has prayed abt it, searched her own conscience, sought counsel from friends and members of her church and in the end, all cemented her opposition. Fine. She lives in America and has that right. She also had the right to just quietly decline being a part of the choir that day. Others aren’t going too because of work commitments, etc. She could have listened to her heart and kept quiet but she had to get her 5 minutes of fame, fueling the cannons of the Left.

God heard prayers from around the world regarding Trump. Top religious leaders in this country endorsed him and prayed for him and his family. Franklin Graham organized prayer vigils on the steps of every state capitol bldg leading up to the election. We often complain we can’t hear God’s intentions for is. He hears us all but on Nov 8 He answered those that gathered on those 50 sets of steps with a ‘yes’ and He answered the lady from the Mormon choir—He told her ‘no’.

I’ve written it here before but believe it more true now than ever—God doesn’t always pick the person the world sees as ‘qualified’. Rather, He quite often qualifies the person He picks to lead or carry out a great commission in His name. Jesus didn’t come here to hang out and party with the haughty self righteous. He came to save sinners. He picked up the down trodden and forgave the lost. He set big time sinners such as St. Paul and King David in high places. The holier than thou’s of the day were mortified and thought God was completely nuts choosing sinners to do His work. Any Christian, Mormons included, that can’t see Donald Trump’s presidency is a gift from God, an ordained act of God and the will of God, better shut off the Glenn Beck show and pick up their Bibles instead.

Excluding the part where you describe Mormons as Christians, I endorse your comment.
Mormons believe we are eternal beings whose basic purpose is to become a god.
What they believe about Jesus places them outside the Christian church: They believe that Jesus Christ is the spirit child of God and was born as the son of Adam-God and Mary. They believe that Jesus is the brother of man; that He was a polygamist, having married two Marys and also Martha of Cana.

Moreover, Mormons use the same terms as do Christians but with far different meaning.

Obviously, this is not the place for a discussion/disagreement regarding the teaching of various “religions,” but I cannot let it stand that Mormons are Christians. If they don’t like it, then fine; they don’t like it; they’d rather that Christians know as little as possible about Mormonism.

You, are correct, the Mormons do not fit the definition of Christianity that many churches preach today. That definition was developed centuries after the death of Christ, starting with the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. The Mormons worship the Christ revealed in the actual scriptures.

The rest of your statements are half-truths and and misinterpretations put out by enemies of the Mormons, pretty much like the MSM did to Trump.

I agree this is not the platform for an in-depth discussion on this topic. If you are interested, I can provide you with sources and websites where you can get the true story.

I’m not a mormon, and don’t believe what they believe. But they aren’t out blowing up their fellow citizens, they work hard, they pay their taxes, they have low crime rates, and they typically vote for conservative candidates. They typically aren’t out pushing a social justice agenda either. In CA, it was the mormons who put up their hard earned money to pass the ban on same sex marriage (overturned, of course, by a liberal panel of judges, with nary a mormon on the bench). They aren’t trying to take over the country, much less the world. So, they sure as heck aren’t bothering me.

Thank you for your fine comment. I, too, believe that Mr Trump was selected by God to right our sinking ship of freedom. Not one person in the GOPe, Mormon or not, would have chosen a Paul or a David to lead the Church, as neither Paul nor David would have been “pure” enough for them. These are the worst of the worst…Those who wrap themselves in cloaks of righteousness while secretly promoting evil. We need to shake off the dust and move on from them.

Actually, it was an attack using their religion. Rephrasing the question: Is there evidence that it is their religion that is the problem? If not, why use it in the attack? This is a Liberal tactic – personality politics.

“Do you have evidence that their religion is driving their behavior?”
My opinions:
— People have an impression of Mormons as clean-living, honest, family-oriented people.
— For some reason, it becomes known that these people in positions of power are Mormon. I don’t know whether they make sure it is known, or if it is due to the news media, etc.
— Some Mormons make a point to let us know their religion is driving their behavior. Glenn Beck is an example. He has gone so far as to start preaching more than pontificating politically.
— Some Mormons have been shocked — shocked, I tell you — by revelations about Trump. This adds to their squeaky clean image. So then when they do something to undermine the party or the country — showing they aren’t who we thought they were — it is worthy of remark.

People also comment about Catholics who do not uphold the tenets of their faith, like Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and other Kennedys, etc.

And I respect your opinions, TT, even when I don’t agree with them. My point is that the fact that some of these folks are identified as Mormons, has nothing to do with the issue. Why should we call out their religion any more than anyone else’s?

So let’s hold them accountable – as PEOPLE – for their actions and behaviors, rather than their religion.

“Mike Lee of Utah responded angrily to a conservative radio host who chastised him for failing to toe the party line and endorse Trump. To explain his refusal to back the nominee, Lee pointed to Trump’s ‘religiously intolerant’ statements, which have made him ‘widely unpopular in my state, in part because my state consists of people who are members of a religious minority church.’ Citing one of the darkest days of the Mormons’ long history of enduring state-sponsored religious persecution, Lee continued, the Mormons are ‘a people who were ordered exterminated by the governor of Missouri in 1838. And statements like … [banning Muslims from the U.S.] make them nervous.’ In Cleveland, at the Republican National Convention, Lee was a vocal opponent of GOP leaders working to put down anti-Trump dissent. Lee and other Republicans anxious about the Trump nomination tried to secure a rules package that would have unbound delegates from state primary and caucus results and allowed them to ‘vote their conscience.’”

The article also covers other Mormons. Since their faith appears to inform much of what they do, and since they openly confirm that, it would be disingenuous to NOT talk about their faith.

Harry Reid claimed his views were informed by his faith. Lee claims the same thing.
So, which is wrong? Both, probably. I can’t stand either. I actually shelled out bucks for Lee’s book on the US Constitution. It ended up in the trashcan after his convention antics, which were inexcusable.

BTW, Trump won 61% of the Mormon vote nationwide, a higher rate than the population as a whole (though obviously less than the 78% or so Romney won).

You know, I was a Muslim for the first 10 years of my life before my family moved to America (thank God!) in the late 1950’s. After a stint as an atheist, I joined the Mormon Church 35 years ago. The hatred spewed at me for my religion was worst for being Mormon, least for being Muslim. Being an atheist didn’t scare anyone, so it was never an issue.

That said, some/many of the highest of the highs within the church get a little full of themselves and I would agree to some assertions that “personal purity” is driving the hate towards Trump. I live in Idaho, and in the summer primary, Trump came in third in my county, almost fourth. I was the only guy in a Mormon town of 60,000 to wear a MAGA hat.

But I’m susceptible to that purity too. I didn’t vote for Mormon senator Mike Crapo because of his DUI a couple of years ago (I’m pretty sure we Mormons don’t drink). Fear not, I just skipped the senatorial race. He still won by 30+ points.

I served as a bishop of my ward for a few years (like a priest in a parish) and dealt with the imperfections of man. There are just as many questionable folks in my church as there are in others. Church is where the imperfect flock, some out of guilt, some out of hope, others out of fear. But they try their best, and God bless them for that.

We Mormons are a peculiar people. We tithe $5,000 a year to the church, we give up the two most testosterone-filled years of our life to serve a church mission, and then as parents we spend $12,000-$15,000 to send each of our kids out to serve their missions. You do all that and you start to think yours is the higher road and that as a younger man, you NEVER talked to your friends about grabbing any pu**y.

But I’d like to apologize to all here for Harry Reid. What a maroon. I was back in DC doing some stories on our legislative delegation for my newspaper and was talking to some staffers when Reid passed by. He had a hard time walking, was very frail and used a cane. Everyone shouted niceties and told him what a great guy he was. As soon as he was 30 feet down the hall, the staffers started to mumble vile profanities at him. They hated him, but they feared him more.

The average Mormon is a 9-out-of-10 on the conservative scale and think Reid was a sellout, abrogating his spiritual beliefs to the Democratic Party.

You misunderstand the reference. Even in Christ’s ancient church he established a hierarchy and appointed leaders to organize and support the church and ministry. This did not make them greater than any other, it just gave them a different responsibility. Otherwise, there is chaos, heresy and apostasy. Take, for example, a Pastor or Minister in a congregation. When done properly, this person is a servant to the congregation, rather than an autocratic dictator.

Farid’s phrase was just meant to indicate those who hold positions of leadership in hierarchy the Mormon church, rather than the local leaders.

Its pretty simple really.
1. The Mormon Church is effectively OPEN BORDERS.
2. Congressional adherents who are LABELLED Conservative Republicans support the open borders agenda, or amnesty, no wall, whatever, despite the GOP’s platform and newly-elected President and what a majority of the Party members think they voted for….
3. People draw the conclusion that those traitorous, US-sovereignty-destroying cucks are siding with their church rather than their constituents.

You remember the last 10 months or so…..the venom, the spitting rage, the threats, RUNNING A 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE AGAINST THE PARTY NOMINEE…..
Yup, the GOP Congressional Mormon delegation has earned their new bareknuckles reputation of personal viciousness. Every bit of it.

I disagree with your statement
1. Concerning the Mormon church “is effectively OPEN Borders.”

Does that mean there is actually a statement from the leadership of the Mormon Church that makes such a statement? Do you have evidence of such a statement? Or are you just accepting that because the MSM says so?

Are you lumping all Mormons into the behavior of just these few? Do you have poll data that actually supports your point, or is it anecdotal?
See my reply to point #1. do you have evidence it is their Church leaders who are driving this behavior?

Regarding McMullin, you will note that he was not elected. It was not the general Mormon community that put him forward as a candidate, nor was he endorsed by the Mormon church. So your point is … ?

Wrapping all this up, there is no “Congressional Mormon delegation”. These are just people. They make decisions, just like everyone else. Some are good decisions, some are bad, some you don’t agree with it.

You make good points, but there is actually evidence that the Mormon church is effectively open borders.

As you know, their twelfth Article of Faith states “We believe in … honoring, obeying and sustaining the law”. Yet, if you are an illegal immigrant, you can still get a temple recommend (a bishop’s certificate of good standing that allows you to visit a temple), serve as a bishop, or serve a mission. Furthermore, if you serve a mission, the church will make special arrangements for you to travel by bus, to avoid airport security.

It’s not official dogma, but the practice supports the view that the church does not “honor” immigration law.

I agree to all of that. There is a big fight brewing within the Mormon church about open borders. The leaders don’t say it, but their actions are open borders-light. It isn’t too bad here in Idaho but cross the Utah border 30 miles away and it looks like Chicago or L.A. Utah gives benefits to illegals and also drivers licenses. So they flock there.

But my church is probably the least culpable with the open borders crowd. The Catholic Church — a faith that I have a great love for — has some very radical open borders priests. But that says NOTHING about Catholics and Mormons as people. It’s just like our country. We’re a center-right nation, but we are always sending RINO’s and liberals to run Washington.

It’s a problem with humanity, not religion. Those who choose to run for office by their very design think they know more than we do. And when they get to Washington, the years living in the cesspool makes them malleable and more liberal. They become separated from those they represent and begin to represent K street and the lobbyists. It happens in politics, and it happens in churches, and it happens in families.

I grew up in Washington, and lived in a luxury complex where many congressman and senators lived over the years I was there. I’d watch them come in with crew cuts and spit shined shoes and a “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington Attitude” and leave a few years later with unkempt hair, bloodshot eyes and a marriage teetering on divorce. I’d spent the night with my friend Steve whose father was a congressman from Fairfield Ohio many times. He was one squared away congressman. He just wanted to save the world. I’d listen to the political meetings in his living room when I was supposed to be asleep. He was a savior to the people of Fairfield. He’d always say, “The people of Fairfield are going to sleep well tonight because I’m fighting for them in Washington.”

Then those meetings turned into cocktail parties. I noticed how all the secretaries there dressed so nice and looked so pretty. Gosh, there must have been 10 secretaries at every party. I never understood that. Until I figured out years later they were hookers. The lobbyists brought them to the parties, made a deal and suddenly our Don Quixote’s didn’t even know what a windmill was. Steve’s dad was sent packing in the Watergate election of 1974 and his mom became an alcoholic, wanting a divorce but not going through with it, following the axiom that a woman never leaves her congressional husband.

None of this is right, but it is what it is. Blame the system, not members of an individual church. I have thought for years that the best thing we could do is move all the federal departments (IRS, EPA, etc.) out of Washington and into fly-over country. Get them apart and get them accountable. And then today I heard that a congressman is going to propose just that next week.

His name is Jason Cheffetz, and he’s from Utah, and he’s a Mormon, and he played football at BYU. By golly, some of us with the magic underwear might just be okay. 🙂

I’ve typed too much everyone; sorry. You can tell what I do for a living ….

Not too long at all. Interesting read. I totally agree.
And I considered “spreading the blame” to include the Catholic Church, you’re dead on there…..(and besides, I wasn’t criticizing the Mormon CHURCH, just the crew in DC)
The Catholic Church has always looked out for its interests. Why criticize that? The US has been a Protestant country (not so much now) for a long time that the Catholic Church was mega-pro immigration….why not? More Catholics coming up from Central/South America = the most powerful country in the world is more Catholic. I get it.
Pocketnuke can’t accept that my criticism was specifically targeted at the NeverTrump Mormons (who REALLY distinguished themselves with their pursed-lipped hostility and outrageous support for a 3rd Party candidate) in Congress, NOT the people in the Mormon Church or even the Church itself.
The Mormon Church SAYS in statements that the laws should be followed, etc, and they point to that, but also position as never breaking up families (amnesty) etc is the HIGHEST priority.
[Aside: how come coming here in the first place isn’t breaking up a family? Even anchor babies have the citizenship of their parents’ home country to fall back on. Why not take them HOME to avoid “breaking up the family”?]
There’s no other explanation for the open borders, pro-amnesty crap from what are usually solid Conservatives, than fealty to their Church. Thats not bashing the church, its drawing rational conclusions about what might be motivating the confusing, out-of-character political positions of otherwise Conservative politicians.

They all need to be called out.
All organized religions are in the business of turning the US into the third world.
It’s big money from the feds coupled with a few nasty deals with the UN, and the next thing you know your tax dollars have brought millions of third world trash to America.
Then we get to continue financing our own demise when they arrive.
I’m not anti religion, but I’m not blind either.

I do not doubt that Soros is attempting to subvert religion to further his agenda. My point is that he has not done so with all religions. Soros and his money have nothing to offer the Mormons.

Concerning the illegals in Idaho, yes I have heard about them. This is very sad. However, keep in mind that the good people of Boise and Twin Falls did not ask for them to be there. And there is significant pressure from DC to give special exceptions to the illegals. But keep in mind that not everyone in Idaho, or Utah, or Arizona is a Mormon. Even those that are Mormon, some of them choose to go their own way and do their own thing.

Should we make similar comparisons with New England with their predominantly Protestant population, or the South with the Baptists? Or should we give up this approach altogether and just treat people as individuals who are responsible for their own actions and decisions?

“All organized religions are in the business of turning the US into the third world.” Then you say “I’m not anti religion..”
Well, tough to reconcile those two statements in my mind. If you are suggesting that various religions have been infiltrated at some level, some more than others, with collectivists, communists, globalists, and social justice warriors, you’ll get no argument from me. Some churches try to hold the line, but it is hard, especially with people falling away from the church every year. The leadership often weakens the faith simply to try to keep members, i.e., allowing the tail to wag the dog).

Without religion at our country’s foundation from the beginning, we’d have lost this country long ago. We may yet. If there are no laws of God, man is god, man is the highest authority with no checks. Doesn’t work, not in my view. See: Every communist country in the history of the world. Our country worked for a reason–founding documents built upon the idea that God, and not man, is the giver of rights.

Sorry to offend your sensibilities but that’s the way it is. There is no reason to ignore the fact that Mormons vote, curry favor and do business as a block. Other religions and cultures do the same. It has been brought up here on these boards before.

You aren’t saying anything untoward here. 1) Mormons vote in high numbers. We are told by church leaders to make our views known at the ballot box. And the church goes out of its way to not take sides on individual politicians. Last time that happened was in 1985, when #2 church leader Ezra Taft Benson said that to be a Mormon you had to be a Republican (he was in Eisenhower’s cabinet). The prophet had a press conference that day and publicly rebuked him, so yes, we vote in a bloc, but how we want to, not how we are told to.

Mormons were Democrats until the 1980’s. Utah was reliably Democrat until then. In the 1930’s, Franklin Roosevelt sent members of his cabinet to the church’s “Welfare Square” to learn why Utah was dead last among the states in requesting welfare assistance from the federal government. They were so impressed with our system, storehouses, slaughterhouses, farms and cash from members tithes able to help cover mortgages and rents for those in dire trouble. They returned to DC and pretty much duplicated the program that became the government’s welfare system. It wasn’t until abortion split the Democratic party in the 1970’s that Mormons went Republican.

But I can’t tell you why Mormons send RINO’s to Washington, they just do. They in no way represent the rank and file Mormon. We like the wall. We don’t like welfare much. Drive through Utah and you’ll find ranchers and farmers and stores give jobs to destitute people so they can learn the value of work. That is something we are taught, that giving food and money makes you more dependent, but having that person earn it through hard work gives him self-confidence and hope.

For the most part, those commenting on Mormons have been pretty fair about us. You have to be able to acknowledge the weird stuff before you can fix it. But the weird stuff doesn’t make the great stuff any less great. Go spend a day at BYU if you have time. EVERY governmental intelligence and policing agency are there on campus most every day, trying to recruit Mormons into sensitive positions because they believe there are far fewer skeletons in our closets. That’s pretty good I think.

Good point, … so let’s all make sure they are FACTS (and not anecdotes and opinions) … before we decide whether to agree with them.

Summer’s post and MissyV’s give the appearance of being factual, but are not. They are interpretations, which confuse the cause and the effect.

Mormons in general are God-fearing, family-loving, law-abiding, charitable and patriotic, which means they will endorse causes and candidates that support those characteristics. So the cause is their personal values and the result is their voting. In other words, they vote in a bloc because of their shared values. That is far different from saying they vote in a bloc because they are Mormons. I know a lot of people who are not Mormons who have the same values and vote the same way. Perhaps even you. Where do they fit into this theory?

I’m under the impression that the Unipartisans are ALL vile, these are bad, but not necessarily worse than others, McCain, Graham, Ryan to name a few. I’m on board for rooting them out, every last one, and not particular about their religion, race, age or any other characteristics.

I just wrote five paragraphs above agreeing that my church, the Mormon church, has some folks who think they are what we call “special spirits.” They don’t represent the vast majority of Mormons. Mormons are die-hard conservatives and these folks are RINO’s.

So how does a few idiots make us a vile cult? I was born and raised a Muslim. I know what “religion” and “vile” and “cult” describe, and they most certainly don’t describe the Mormon faith. My father moved his family to America because he was afraid his would be the next dead body in the streets because he didn’t pray five times a day. And his name was Mohamed. You’d think that would buy you a little safety and security, right?

Donald Trump is superb at bringing in an amazing cross-section of the American people. We are supposed to coalesce behind him and work together.

Mocking the fastest growing church in the world isn’t what The Donald stands for. People mock Mormons because we don’t fight back, making us easy prey. “Ah, let’s bash the Mormons, they won’t do anything about it” they say. Sounds a little like the bully in high school, right?

I personally think the Jews and Jehovah’s Witnesses have pretty strange faiths, but the people of those churches are honest, decent and follow their beliefs. They make America stronger. It doesn’t matter if I don’t get their faiths if I see them as good people.

I think Mormons deserve at least a smattering of your respect, begrudging or not. This battle that starts January 20th is going to be hell even if we all have each others backs. Can you imagine what it will be like if we don’t?

No doubt it wasn’t across the board, but a couple of posters used terms like “vile” and “cult” do describe the Mormon faith. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I was born a Muslim and remained in the faith for 10 years. No one gave it a second thought. The next five years were as an atheist, and no one even noticed. But as a Mormon, my values are regularly attacked as vile, illegal, sexually improper, magic underwear, etc. I personally don’t care, but when a person writes things like that it lessons them in the eyes of others, not my faith.

I can remember when Judas Romney begged Trump for an endorsement in 2012.
And his traitorous speech against Mr. Trump won’t be forgotten either.
Orin Hatch is another clown that wants more illegal aliens for America.
Is that fake news too?

Hardball, huh? So that includes smearing an entire community based on a few individuals? Attacking the Mormon community based on lies, half truths and innuendo spread by those who are their acknowledged enemies? Sounds kind of like the Liberals, and the MSM doesn’t it?

How about hardball being tough, but honest, persistence with honor. Do we give up our integrity, plant a little lie or innuendo, just to make a point? Does the end justify the means? If this is your perspective, I hear the RNC is looking for a new leader.

There just as many people from diverse faiths who work against Trump as Mormons.
I hope we do not become blind to all human failings and only point to one group?
I dislike the people who work against Trump regardless of religion.
God Bless

After having read the MANY comments on here about who is a good Mormon and who is a bad one and which Mormon supports Trump and which ones don’t…I thought I would say I am active, attending Mormon or a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) as it’s officially known. I served a Church mission in TN, GA, and KY areas and love the Southern people and food!

I agree with many of the commenters above about the Mike Lee’s, Beck’s, Romney’s, etc and I cannot stand them and their attitudes toward Trump. Despite what some of the naysayers think or have posted about Mormons and their voting patterns (which honestly we do not know except for these vocal ones) there were LARGE majorities of LDS people who voted for Trump and I have supported him from the “Day of the Elevator”. I live in AZ now and the large majority of Mormons here voted FOR Trump. We are trying to remove the other idiot Flake (Mormon) who doesn’t seem to get what we Arizonan’s (and Mormons) want from our Senator. I am voting for Kelli Ward in 2018.

As stated above, Mormons do not all vote as a block, however, many, but not all, vote conservative, as this fits with the Mormon lifestyle and code we live by. I have NO IDEA why Romney came out and made the speech he did in the Summer of 2016 (frankly, it ticked me off!), why Lee and Beck think Trump is some monster to be avoided? Because I see Trump as THE person America has been needing and waiting for to restore us to what our Founders intended.

Oh, and by the way, there are MANY special operators in the military, who are Mormon and think just like I do about Trump.

FYI…the leadership of the LDS faith has never told the members WHO to vote for as this left up to free agency and to make their own decisions as it should be…when comes to gov’t policies that will harm families such as recognizing homosexual marriages (Prop 8 in CA), abortion, etc, the Church did come out against those, as did MANY churches.

As far as abortion, the Church is against it unless it involves the life of the mother, rape, or incest, and even with those the Church allows the mother to make the decision.

Lee is amember of the open borders, amnesty mormon mafia. The church needs to get new members and spends most of its time overseas recruiting. Part of that effort is open borders amnesty for illegal mexicans bcausenthey want to recruit those new residents. The cult is anti american because they favor illegals over citizens.

The Piano Guys who are Mormon and hail from Utah are playing at Trumps inauguration so please don’t put all Mormons in that category. Go on YouTube and listen to their rendition of Beethoven’s five secrets. Nothing like it in the world. They are getting plenty of hate mail for their efforts and won’t let that stop them.

Wow! I certainly am impressed and grateful for all the responses to my little comment. I did not expect so many replies and I am sorry that I do not have time to respond to each one.

One of the great things about CTH is the ability to carry on a spirited debate. This seems to be a lost art in our society, thanks to the far Left and their SJWs. I think this is a significant loss.

For those of you that have “Liked” my comments, thank you for the support. For those who have confronted me, thank you for the courage to speak out and express yourself. Opposition of this kind makes us all stop and re-evaluate our point of view.

In bringing this to a close, I would like to restate my point. Summer attacked the Mormons four times in one short comment:
1.) The insinuation that there is a “Mormon Wing” of the Uniparty
2.) That said “wing”, consisting of Reid, Romney, Lee and Beck are particularly vile, apparently because they are Mormons
3.) The Mormons are a cult
4.) The Mormons have been vicious in their attacks on Trump

My response was to call out that this is a Liberal tactic that we have all grown to despise. It was offensive and intentionally so. There was no value and very little truth in attacking the Mormons in this post.

I have a suggestion: The next time you consider making an attack based on someone’s religion, race, geographic location, ethnicity, etc., turn it around first and see if you would be offended. I offer this example. What if someone were to post this?

“The CTH wing of the Conservative blogosphere is incredibly vile. Sundance, Bluto, Howie, Summer… Every one of these cultists was incredibly vicious towards and his/her supporters.”

I have heard Lee speak about Trump, and speak against Trump and I find him seriously lacking. I hope he can keep a nice chair to sit in while serving in the Senate. That’s about all he is good for, sitting down and he needs to understand the words, ‘shut up.’

Every time the local paper talks about Lee I remind them of Lee frothing at the mouth as #NeverTrump – When Obama locked up a few million acres Lee ran to a mike frothing at the mouth promising to have Trump ‘fix’ it.. LOL

Mike “Pinky” Lee just defecated in his Depends. Other Treepers made the case why his move will go down in flames, along with his shot at a Supreme COurt appointment.

(For you younger people, Pinky Lee was the original Pee Wee Herman — a kid’s show goof. He made Jerry Lewis look like a grown-up. I’m sure Donald Trump’s mother would let him watch Sky King or Fury or Roy Rogers on Saturday mornings but not Pinky Lee — unless he was a guest stooge in a Roy Rogers movie. Roy worked losers into his pictures to give them a chance to do something brave to show kids you don’t have to be a star to do the right thing when it matters.)

BTW, I interviewed Trumka back when he was a rational United MIne Workers chief, at a coal conference at Virginia Tech in the late 1980s. At the time I was a reporter who covered coal and courts for a daily in Appalachia. He gave reasonable answers to my questions, and his speech to the conferees was not moonbat crazy.
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Back then, UMW bosses had foreign cars towed out of the lots of any building they owned.

Trumka went nuts like too many of the other union bosses, as the Dems went into the leftist sh-thouse.
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Glad to see him return to his senses with PE Trump, who is like Teddy Roosevelt in his desire to give blue collar workes a square deal.

The coal miners of Kentucky, West Virginia, PA, and Wyoming and elsewhere went almost unanimously for Trump. Even Elliott County, KY, which had voted D in every national election since the Civil War, voted R in November. (In the Rand Paul primary, the horseshoe of Appalachian coal counties in KY voted for Trump over Grandpa Munster.) Blue collar men and women joined with Trump to fire the Uniparty overlords in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, NC, Florida, and PA.

And even in states the Dems won, private sector union men and women were more prone to vote for Trump thn for any GOP candidate since Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaking of Appalachia, a great charity to support is The Christian Appalachian Project located out of KY. They help provide housing, heat, medicine, food, clothing, and support for poor Appalachian families, many affected by the closing of the coal mines. These are the forgotten Americans I hope Donald Trump can put a spotlight on. They all need our support!

Absolutely. The people are with your Pres. Elect. I have contacted several of your representatives from up here North of the 49 parallel.
Your RINOS have truly been outed. They may just be in denial as their arrogance seems to know no bounds.
Hopefully they can be annihilated by the voters.

These does not pertain to the Mike Lee situation specifically, but more the over-all trade/tariff discussion and I might get some blow-back on this. I don’t think the whole tariff thing should be the main/only thing to focus on to get American manufacturing back on track. While I think it is a great to toss it around and maybe bully some of the big guys with the threat, it would hurt Main Street also.

My friends company manufactures products for the medical industry. They are not a huge company – maybe ~ 5 million in revenue. They sell around the world in many countries. They also represent a German company and a Korean company here in the USA. They sell their products in North America. These foreign companies also sell his products in their countries. These types of business relationships are good for both the USA and the other country.

The products that he imports simply are not made here in the USA – and to make them would take a large investment. Beyond that, finding the raw materials in the USA is difficult. Many of the components simply are not made here.

You start tacking tariffs on the products he imports and jobs will be lost. Sure, his company would survive but he would have less employees. He is not some big corporation that is squeezing extra dollars for shareholders, he is working hard to protect his employees and make sure they earn a good living.

Anyhow, I’ve rambled long enough. Back to my original point. Tariffs are great talk, but the key to unleashing the American manufacturing base is through reducing the regulatory burden and allowing companies to focus on what they do best.

Just wanted to add, this whole tariff thing is bundled with the Tax Reform Act that Ryan introduced over the summer. I think it is “Better Way Forward”. In my opinion the consumption based tax system they want to create is laughable and hinges on things like the dollar gaining strength. Anyone that even remotely follows Forex know that it is nearly impossible to predict exchange rates.

It would also put us on the path to a VAT tax. Not a flat tax or fair tax, an additional VAT tax. Because while republicans are in control at the moment, we all know that can change in the future. We need to consider not only what we intend to do, but what can be done in the hands of democrats.

Reducing the regulatory burden, reducing taxes, and more are part of PE Trump’s agenda.

I do NOT think that your friends business would be impacted whatsoever under Trumps plan. He is interested in promoting fair trade, eliminating currency manipulation, and other unfair trade practices.

I seriously doubt that PE Trump is interested in preventing what you are describing.

I would like to hear more about what raw materials are lacking, though, AND, would wonder what obstacles to financing the investment were in an America first environment. I would just like to understand, in other words, more about the business to help. I am sure that PE Trump would too.

I agree with your statement about what Trump wants to do. Certainly if the focus is on reducing regulatory burden that is a winner for small businesses. My concern lies in what the republicans in congress are planning with their tax reform act when that is coupled with the talk of dramatically increased tariffs.

I’m far less concerned with what Trump wants to do because his experiences have allowed him to wear many hats. He understands many of these things about international trade. On the other hand most of these losers in Congress are clueless.

Then you have another set of people who cheer when we threaten companies that they must manufacture in the USA or suffer huge boarder tariffs. It makes for great show and great tweets, but if ever executed it is a bad precedent to set.

For many people it is easy to talk about GM, Carrier, etc and how they should build in the USA. I mean, they are just greedy corporations squeezing extra dollars for shareholders – or at least that is how they are often portrayed. And, while this is sometimes true with bigger companies when you start to look at smaller businesses this is not the case at all.

This is going to sound defensive, because your 6 word reply seemed rather dismissive.

Would you care to expand on that? What point did I miss?

Have you read anything about the Republican Tax Reform they presented over the summer? Are you aware of the way they want to change the way way corporations are taxed? Are you aware that even though everyone spouts off about a 35% corporate tax rate that rarely does any company pay that. Are you aware of the differences between C Corps and S Corps as far as how they are taxed?

As I said, my comment did not specifically apply to this article and to Senator Lee’s actions. It was in regard to trade in general.

DJT reiterated the other day. What goes on between states does not concern him. If companies get better deals moving from state to state, so be it. The issue is leaving the country. That is when his claws come out.

Tariffs are tools, and most Americans believe they know how tariffs work, so tariffs made a good campaign talking point for Trump.

I never believed he had the idea that all he need do is threaten tariffs to get better deals from other countries.

Once he’s inaugurated and his administration is in place we’ll see what knowledgeable businessmen and good negotiators can accomplish. It’s been so long since that’s happened that many people will not recognize it.

But on the other hand we have to get China to stop cheating so damn much. They don’t play fair or even in the same neighborhood. People need to realize that they are communists. Any large biz owner in China is politically connected and the government dictates many of their policies.

This has to stop. If anyone can do it I am sure it will be Trump. He knows the things that most Americans don’t even begin to understand. He has done business with them and seen how they operate.

Although I totally agree with you the 3 branches of government have routinely either given up power they had, or usurped power they don’t have. For Example:
1. Congress is supposed to set monetary policy…they gave it away to the Federal Reserve
2. The Supreme Court has no Constitutional power to interpret the Constitution. They think they do and do it all the time.
3. When the President writes an unconstitutional executive order (Dreamers for example), it is Congresses job to curtail him..not give him funding. They rarely do.
4. National Parks, BLM, national forests, social security, medicare, and most ABC agencies are unconstitutional…but yet we still have them.

The people ARE forcing change.
And the Constitution has been replaced with a mix of leftist drivel and the race card for the last few years. This Constitutional obedience that you speak of is pretty much non existent. 300 sanctuary cities doesn’t sound very Constitutional to me.
I could be wrong, but using tax dollars to circumvent the law is obviously illegal.

If you notice that date “1930” that America no longer exists, the America of de jure courts no longer exists… America went into receivership and the entire structure and form of government changed in March of 1933 at the hands of the stealth communist Franklin Damnable Roosevelt. It has been a MILITARY government ever since, we’ve been living in a state of emergency for the past 83 years 11 months…The CIC is the supreme power.who rules by emergency…and if you don’t believe that, just watch.

In the event of an emergency, I am sure that Donald Trump could muster a filibuster and shut it down-Cold.

Honestly 2 or 3 tweets would be all Trump would need. You DO NOT want to be a democrat who voted for this when 2018 arrives. Do you think that Bernie’e voters were mad this year? Just wait until 2018 for all the Ds who would vote for this bill. Joe Blow will have the long knives out for them. Trump will add three or four states in 2020 on this issue alone if he pursued it-AND HE WILL.

Mike Lee just doused himself in gasoline and is holding a lit match. The only question is is whether Mike Lee is a jihadi for free and UNFAIR trade.

Trump resisting a bill like this would make him a NATIONAL HERO-more so than now.

Remember it was Mike Lee that made an a– out of himself at the Convention and led the walk out’s from the floor when his gaggle of Never Trumpers didn’t get their way. Later on, Trump suggested Lee’s name as a potential SCOTUS pick and Lee insultingly replied he didn’t want it. The GOP will pose as great of legislative threat as the Dem’s. Keep up the pressure on them–this next week is critical in containing them.

Tariffs. In 2010 the US put 12,000 tariffs on imports. Commerce Dept has massive databases you can search. Also, WTO has databases.

I recall last year, when it became an irrational topic during the primaries I posted a link to a government site that enumerated over 8000 tariffs on China’s exports to US.

The myth of Free Trade is that. That is why the FTA is a stand alone kind of construct with small trading partners. The US has a few. But generally, we have various tariffs, some very high.

The whole ideological imperative is bogus dogma.

The WTO in the mid 90’s really changed the game. By the entry of China into WTO, their exports to the US roared. That was at the beginning of this new century. Combined with the NAFTA really sucking away the best manufacturing jobs of durable goods like autos and vehicle parts, our domestic economy got warped.

Trump can fix it all. But their are cadres of con men, liars and thieves, sellouts and Swamp swine that intend to do him, you and me and America real harm.

Don’t think this is ever going to change. We have to express instant wrath on them.

Remember the “cash for clunkers” bill? A legislation with a backdoor to benefit foreign auto parts manufacturers. Good working parts could not be saved. Salvage yards could not sell the majority of used parts from these cars, they had to be destroyed. Can’t use an original factory part in good condition, you have no choice but to pay the big bucks to the originating dealers or buy cheap China knockoffs that work for a year or two then need replacing again. What choice will people in a depressed economy pick? When you go to the auto parts stores, look closely at the fine print on the retailer logo box – it will tell you where it was produced. And they used 2.77 billion of our own dollars to do this to us.

“To ensure that vehicles traded-in under “cash for clunkers” will not be resold by dealers, the program outlines a procedure for destructively disabling the engine (and thus also precluding the possibility that any mechanical engine components might be salvaged to be used in the repair of any other vehicles): The motor oil is drained and replaced with a sodium silicate solution, then the engine is started and run until the solution, becoming glass-like when heated, causes engine internals to abrade and ultimately seize. In addition, the salvage or scrap facility which acquires the vehicle cannot sell the engine, cylinder heads or a “rolling chassis” from the scrap vehicle.. The “hull” of the vehicle must be crushed within 180 days.”

Bill Clinton got us into the WTO.
Being a WTO member means that other countries can buy up our country.
China owns Rare Earth Mineral / Metal rights in America. They also own the Waldorf Astoria Hotels, the Chicago stock exchange, water rights to our Great Lakes, a big interest in all six Hollywood studios, and a whole lot of other things.

I heard that many of you have been worried about me. I have very sad personal news to report to all my wonderful CTH friends. My husband passed away tonight. And to know that all of you will embrace me with your love, thoughts and prayers tonight will help me sleep tonight. Thank you all.

I am not fan of Mike Lee I also know that Trump will get all of our trade agreements renegotiated so that the US comes first I doubt we would have to charge the 35% tariff but it needs to be said that there are consequences. So sick of people like Lee who want to hand to all the other countries, but then what do you expect of this refugee sympathizer.

Did anybody mention that picture on the wall above DJT’s desk. It says, in Hebrew script, “Etz Chaim” meaning The Tree of Life, one of Judaism’s great and key images. Than you, Ivanka!
[Hint: I have an Etz Chaim metal sculpture Channukah menorah! So very cool!

Mark Levin’s image there is very relevant. I’ve seen comments pop up questioning Trump’s selection of Wilbur Ross because Wilbur Ross supposedly doesn’t support “CONservative” economic policy. Why would they question? Because Mark Levin told them so. Ross as Commerce Secretary would be one of the principle agents in carrying out Trump’s patriotic nationalist trade policy. He is Trump’s pick, so obviously Trump thinks Wilbur Ross will do a good job in implementing Trump’s policies.

This is BS! Levin is as far from middle of the road as they go. DJT has 4 years to get his/countrys s &^*t together. He will, unfortunately, need the help of Collins, Murkowski, Graham, Mc Cain, Flake, Toomey…etc. . WE NEED TO ROUND UP ALL OF THE RHINO’s, and make a point of going after them every single day of the next 4 years beginning Jan 20th! Levin is pretty much no more than a toilet plunger. He’s just pushing stuff out there in his own peculiar way. It’ll get done w/o him, but IT WILL GET DONE!

I didn’t have a problem with Mormons over Harry Reid, Jeff Flake or Glenn Beck. Every Mormon I’ve known personally was decent and honest.

Here, in a picture, is where i started to wonder:

That turd-brown piece of each county pie represents the one unqualified moron whose ONLY reason on the ballot was to throw the election.

I see a LOT of Mormons (it is Utah, so pretty safe bet) that were perfectly willing to vote for a zero-history CIA dirtbag whose sole presence on the ballot was to throw the election to Hillary Clinton, or keep the Electoral College total below 270 to enable a GOPe congress to decide the country’s future.

I don’t have a problem with people who voted for Hillary. They’re liberals. It’s what they do.

I’ve got a big problem with fake conservatives who vote for bogus candidates from the slime-pit in Langley to throw the election to Hillary. Those people are called traitors. They probably love Sen. Lee and maybe hope McCain and Miss Lindsay will join the flock.

They voted for a dirtbag managed by scum of the earth Rick Wilson, the same guy peddling false stories about Moscow sexcapades, and spewing endless filth on twitter (peeing, anal, etc). Why would a “good Mormon” like McMuffin hire this guy?

Anyone that voted for this creep is the enemy. Traitors within a party are always worse than an openly declared opponent.

Bottom line: i don’t intrinsically trust Mormons anymore. That is a complete change from before this election. I know at least a quarter are dumb enough or treacherous enough to vote for McMuffin. That far outstrips the rest of the nation. Whoever drove all those folks to the conclusion that voting for McDirtbag was a good idea did enormous damage to the image of Mormons in the eyes of the rest of the country. Having dirtbags like Lee pile on with McMuffin-like proclamations ain’t helping your image.

I agree with you in principle. Above, you said this:
“Laws can’t change the Constitution. The federal government can’t grant itself new powers nor can one branch transfer its Constitutionally delegated powers to another branch. The federal government can’t change the Constitutional division of powers.”

What do you propose be done when the things you name are happening, and have been happening for decades?

Start electing those who actually know the “rules”. But that’s impossible if WE, the voters, do not know the Constitution…the only rule book every legislator takes an oath to support!!
Glad you are reading. Laura knows her stuff.

You might want to review the measures in the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) which I believe ALL G-20 members are signatories to….it allows for PUNITIVE tariffs by member countries to rebalance trade where predatory trade practices have been employed (currency manipulation, product dumping, etc)….and yes a TREATY supersedes the US Constitution thereby giving POTUS the ability ti impose tariffs

Your statement about treaties superseding the constitution is not just wrong but it is nonsense. The constitution is for governing internal (domestic) matters and treaties are for governing external (foreign) matters. It is impossible for them to conflict, and if a treaty is written to force a conflict then the treaty is invalid and unenforceable.

Going back to an earlier poster, Laura Mielcarek, because some posts are so far down the line and get lost. But why does the dolt, Mike Lee, think that he has to introduce legislation to get tariff authority away from the President? That’s just plain stupid. Here’s her quote:

“The Constitution does not authorize any transfer of powers between the 3 branches. The Constitution delegates the power to impose tariffs to Congress. The president has no Constitutional authority over tariffs. No act of Congress can change this. It can only be done by the People via a Constitutional amendment.”

Passing a law to Give Congress back power they now have and have always had is as logical as saying that by amending your wedding vows will cure a troubled marriage.

Article I, Section 8, clause 1 provides Congress….and only Congress…with taxing powers and no amendment has changed that. A law (The Tarriff Act of…..) cannot AMEND the Constitution. So, introducing legislation giving Congress back their taxing powers is simply either stupid or ignorant. This is the level of stupid we are dealing with, especially with those who are supposedly on our side.

Mike Lee is a scuzzball globalist like Hatch, Bennett, Love, Stewart and the rest of the Utah delegation. Lots of R’s to look out for. Get on your phones and pressure these people. WE ELECTED TRUMP and the majority of people in Ut. did also. GOD DOES NOT CHOOSE THE QUALIFIED, HE QUALIFIES THE CHOSEN. It’s up to us to fight the GOPe with all we have if we want our country back.

How deluded these RINOS are they were quite happy to give OBOZO Free Rein but now with an incoming GOP President they want to put all sorts of controls on him. They are and always were in the wrong Party.
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Very disappointing to see so many people here rudely dumping on Sen. Mike Lee. You people need to go back to school and take some Economics 101. Sen. Lee is absolutely correct in trying to head off a tariff war. We had a nasty one of those back in the 1930’s. Our fault, too – we started it. And how’d that work out for us? Not well at all.

P.S. A tariff is a TAX. And any tariff placed on imports is a tax that will be paid by US, by you and me. I do not want the Federal gov’t to raise my taxes any more. Just the opposite.

Fair trade can be achieved by much smarter, more efficient, less destructive means than import tariffs. We already have more than 10,000 tariffs in place. We should be reducing them, not adding more.

Mike Lee is doing his best to serve the citizens of this country. He is hardworking, very smart, extremely ethical. We are lucky to have a constitutional conservative of his caliber in the Senate.

I love the Donald’s energy, and spirit, and leadership qualities – and more. But he is WRONG on the tariff issue. Read your history books about the Smoot-Hawley Act and how it cratered world-wide trade, and plunged the entire world economy into depression.