Headroom and not some ultra conservative settings is what Im comfortable with.

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To me, this is like saying, "I got a gun and no real target, should I fire it anyway? Oh look...a bird!"

Or " I got 600 HP, should I floor it at every red light? YESSSSS!!!"

I haven't found any real benefit to overclocking unless crunching, or rendering, period. 3-4 FPS doesn't make or break my game fun, no does overclocking speed up my desktop computing. Hardware so greatly surpasses software needs.

To me, this is like saying, "I got a gun and no real target, should I fire it anyway? Oh look...a bird!"

Or " I got 600 HP, should I floor it at every red light? YESSSSS!!!"

I haven't found any real benefit to overclocking unless crunching, or rendering, period. 3-4 FPS doesn't make or break my game fun, no does overclocking speed up my desktop computing. Hardware so greatly surpasses software needs.

"Green computing".

Instead of OC, I have 3960X.

It'll do 5.6 GHz, too. daily speed...STOCK.

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Also to go along with your post dave is that you had mentioned with voltages that high that sb/ib degrade VERY fast if used more than short periods at a time.

Also to go along with your post dave is that you had mentioned with voltages that high that sb/ib degrade VERY fast if used more than short periods at a time.

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SB seems to degrade, yep, but it's not CPU voltage, really, seem to be IMC/VTT from what I can tell, hence my "conservative" take now with IVB(which seems to need neither...like they fixed something...go figure.:0).

IVB degredation..too early to tell yet, CPUs haven't been here a year.

I havent had a SB (played with more of these than most have seen in a catalog) or IB degrade at 1.4v, neither has anyone at OCF that I know of. I beat on mine at 1.6v for several benching sessions as well. Who knows what will happen in 6 months though with that one. I would NEVER tell anyone not on the benching team to use more than 1.4v.

Good point... they shouldnt be overclocking in the first place really as any overclocking past turbo will shorten the lifespan of a CPU.. by how much, nobody knows.

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I dunno.. I don't think they are that fragile.

Fact of the matter is, Intel put it very simply...Max TDP. Most CPUs are under that. Push to TDP(most CPUs 3770k/3570k do 4.5-4.6 GHz there), and you're fine, as long as voltage is within certain limits. Most CPUs will be @ about 50W stock. I do think they are binned that way, even, although I have yet to confirm that.

But remember I mentioned it's all about power consumption before.

PLL overvoltage and all that should not be needed, IMHO, unless benching, and then that's a completely different ball game.

And I will never promote competitive benchmarking until the OEMs stop posting results by staff, and the "secrets" come out. I then expect skill to become what separates the good from the OK. Right now it's impossible for that to happen. I'd rather see collaboration than competition, anyway, so whatever.

I agree with many comments here. If you purchased the tuner plan and have the time to RMA then yea run those 5Ghz clocks 24/7 like some do but people that cannot afford to do these kinds of things tend to stay in a safe zone when it comes to overclocking. My chip is sitting 4.5ghz 1.32V and clocks above this have shown to need more volts that what I want to push. I know for a fact it will do 5.2ghz 1.45V cause the previous owner SS'ed me when I purchased it is safe to say that it will never see that speed/voltage again by me atleast

LOL, dave, benchers/hwbot really shoved that stick up your arse deep for you to seemingly mention that whenever you have a chance! I dont disagree however, but one thing to note, there is a PRO league where sponsored people 'play' versus unsponsored. Not sure if you checked it out in a couple years.

LOL, dave, benchers/hwbot really shoved that stick up your arse deep for you to seemingly mention that whenever you have a chance! I dont disagree however, but one thing to note, there is a PRO league where sponsored people 'play' versus unsponsored. Not sure if you checked it out in a couple years.

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Well, you know, I've been doing this OC thing since it first began, really. I sent my old BP6 boards and CPUs off to a fellow member @ XS many moons ago.

Sharing of information is what built the community, globally, to what it is today. On a daily basis, I talk to people in the Middle East, UK, Taiwan, Europe, everywhere. And what brought us together, precisely, is sharing info.

In tech, keeping secrets, well, it's the norm. I just wish it wasn't. It's greed that motivates that anyway. How can I NOT say something? Just my character.

Going to try reducing my load line calibration since I don't think leaving it on extreme is safe for long term from my readings.
This means I have to run more core volt.

Is it a good idea to use offset at all? I haven't had very good results using offset as opposed to just using core volt. It seems that the more + offset I run the lower the cpu-z load voltage which is kind of weird.

Edit: from my experimenting, leaving core voltage at "normal" allows the voltage to go down at idle and 1.2v at load. Then I just need to find a good +offset for the load @ 4.2ghz!

Edit2: I was able to change my load line calibration to standard using this method. It now loads 5 * C cooler, awesome! Load temp at 4.2 ghz is only 75*C!