Wow..neat. This is better than not offering the flight at all. Now I wish DL would bring back EDI to ATL with the 757 or better yet come on DL lets do ATL-GLA with a 763ER!!! Don't make us go to Scotland via JFK! (Argh).

It's nice that people can look out the window on this ATL-SNN flight and point to Logan Airport and its...nice...underutilized...white-elephant...Delta...terminal...which...should...have...its...own...nonstop...to...Shannon.

Or, put another way, the folks at Massport will be able to look up as this flight contrails overhead.

I presume this runs in parallel with the 757 to JFK and then the two 763ERs from DUB to JFK and ATL? Great to see the extra presence with nonstop services.

I am actually looking forward to my first Delta flight on Thursday morning... the DL165 from DUB to JFK. Have heard plenty of good things about DL across the pond lately. Not really looking forward to the Comair flight to PWM though!

As for the 752s being introduced into transatlantic service from ATL and CVG, my guess is that some of that flying was originally intended for JFK (e.g, JFK-CMN) but because of the congestion issue at JFK, DL has had to postpone/cut down on some of the planned 752 flying out of JFK and only concentrate on the 'priority' ones

Will the JFKSNNJFK be with an all economy service aircraft while the ATLSNNATL will be two cabin service? Is this because DL hasn't fitted out all the B757s the same way? If so, do they intend to do so?

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):It's nice that people can look out the window on this ATL-SNN flight and point to Logan Airport and its...nice...underutilized...white-elephant...Delta...terminal...which...should...have...its...own...nonstop...to...Shannon.

Or, put another way, the folks at Massport will be able to look up as this flight contrails overhead.

I really believe that if Delta wanted customs in Terminal A it couldlean on Massport and US Customs and it woild have it. It is not as simple as Massport saying no.

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 11):Will the JFKSNNJFK be with an all economy service aircraft while the ATLSNNATL will be two cabin service? Is this because DL hasn't fitted out all the B757s the same way? If so, do they intend to do so?

JFK-SNN will be sold as two class service once the aircraft has been modified with B/E seats and AVOD in both classes.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):It's nice that people can look out the window on this ATL-SNN flight and point to Logan Airport and its...nice...underutilized...white-elephant...Delta...terminal...which...should...have...its...own...nonstop...to...Shannon.

Or, put another way, the folks at Massport will be able to look up as this flight contrails overhead.

Chris,
Delta could begin SNN-BOS tomorrow if the wanted into terminal A. SNN has pre-clearence to the US. No need to go to Terminal E. It appears that it is DL's decision not to begin the service.

Shannon is also scheduled to get US customs clearance so any US bound flight can arrived both Imigration and customes cleared. Will be great for those connecting as there will be no need to reclaim bags

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 18):Delta could begin SNN-BOS tomorrow if the wanted into terminal A. SNN has pre-clearence to the US. No need to go to Terminal E. It appears that it is DL's decision not to begin the service.

Thanks...that is true between Boston and Shannon. But the larger issue is the collapse of plans Delta originally had for several transatlantic routes from Boston...not just Ireland. And while Delta would have been able to field a Shannon route out of their own terminal, they wouldn't have been able to do so on other European routes. And that's where the whole Delta-Massport snafu came into play (relative to Massport's insistence that international flights launch from their Terminal E rather than Delta's Terminal A).

This is about Atlanta, not Boston, so I'll stop here. But the irony didn't escape me that Delta has pretty much frozen its Boston operations in place while expanding elsewhere.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):It's nice that people can look out the window on this ATL-SNN flight and point to Logan Airport and its...nice...underutilized...white-elephant...Delta...terminal...which...should...have...its...own...nonstop...to...Shannon.

As a side, how routes are now officially scheduled with the 757? Providing I counted wrong, it should now be 12 flights,
ATL-EDI*/SNN, CVG-AMS, JFK-AGP*/BRU/CDG/FRA/LYS*/MAN/ORY*/SNN. And are those 4 routes marked with a star the only non-daily routes, and would the timings allow DL to use only 3 757s to operate those 4 flights?

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):As a side, how routes are now officially scheduled with the 757? Providing I counted wrong, it should now be 12 flights,
ATL-EDI*/SNN, CVG-AMS, JFK-AGP*/BRU/CDG/FRA/LYS*/MAN/ORY*/SNN. And are those 4 routes marked with a star the only non-daily routes, and would the timings allow DL to use only 3 757s to operate those 4 flights?

ATL-EDI is 3x weekly in June rising to daily for the rest of summer, currently stops at the end of September though. You haven't mentioned JFK-EDI there either. As already mentioned the EDI aircraft will operate ATL-EDI-JFK and JFK-EDI-ATL.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):As a side, how routes are now officially scheduled with the 757? Providing I counted wrong, it should now be 12 flights,
ATL-EDI*/SNN, CVG-AMS, JFK-AGP*/BRU/CDG/FRA/LYS*/MAN/ORY*/SNN.

I believe SLC-OGG is scheduled for a 757 next summer. Will this be the ex-TWA or the ex-ATA birds?

Quoting EI321 (Reply 27):Great! My fav plane returns!! Will it be all coach or is there business class?

ATL-DUB will have Business on the 764ER. Actually, there won't be any all-coach 764s plying the Atlantic next year. The routes flown last summer with the all-coach domestic 764s such as ATL-FCO (DL76), CVG-FCO are all going to be 763ERs, while ATL-SNN will be the 752.

Here's a list of the summer transatlantic flights operated by the 764ER and 752s:

764ER (with 41 Business seats for sale; actually has 42 seats but one is the pilot rest seat):

The JFK-SNN sector at present is served with the 757-200ERs we're talking about in this thread but in the interim/pre-BusinessElite interior. This product is truly inferior to Delta's overall brand and for that reason is being sold as an all-coach service. The first 757-200ER to receive the BusinessElite + cabin-wide AVOD is already at KBFM being gutted and refitted by ST Aerospace.

Guess I forgot about JFK-LGW being downgraded to a 757 as well. So, a total of 13 757s assigned, and 4 more that are not yet assigned. Hmm, let the guessing begin. JFK-LIS/OSL/ARN/HAM? (I know, the last one only in my dreams).

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):It's nice that people can look out the window on this ATL-SNN flight and point to Logan Airport and its...nice...underutilized...white-elephant...Delta...terminal...which...should...have...its...own...nonstop...to...Shannon.

Or, put another way, the folks at Massport will be able to look up as this flight contrails overhead.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 22):Thanks...that is true between Boston and Shannon. But the larger issue is the collapse of plans Delta originally had for several transatlantic routes from Boston...not just Ireland. And while Delta would have been able to field a Shannon route out of their own terminal, they wouldn't have been able to do so on other European routes. And that's where the whole Delta-Massport snafu came into play (relative to Massport's insistence that international flights launch from their Terminal E rather than Delta's Terminal A).

This is about Atlanta, not Boston, so I'll stop here. But the irony didn't escape me that Delta has pretty much frozen its Boston operations in place while expanding elsewhere.

It would be nice to see DL do a BOS-SNN run, the market is much larger than ATL-SNN, then again DL has a fortress hub in ATL gets connections to make the flight work.

In any event, DL is expanding out of the places people expect them to, JFK and ATL their largest TATL gateways so no surprise there.

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 32):Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 30):
LGW-JFK to be downgraded to a 752 for s08? Once or double daily?

LGW-JFK will be downgraded to once daily 752 next summer, due to 2x LHR-JFK.

How realistic would it be for DL to get more JFK-LHR slots and really compete with AA and the 6 x daily 772 service?

Quoting B752OS (Reply 37):How realistic would it be for DL to get more JFK-LHR slots and really compete with AA and the 6 x daily 772 service?

I don't see it happening. Maybe one or two more JFK-LHR frequencies through the years as slots come available, but the expense of new slots is immense. DL got its current slots from AF for free (in exchange for the join venture) and AF is running low on LHR slots. I doubt they will be willing to give anymore to DL.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 37):would be nice to see DL do a BOS-SNN run, the market is much larger than ATL-SNN, then again DL has a fortress hub in ATL gets connections to make the flight work.

Yes, that makes sense. Fly the biggest SNN market (JFK) all year round and throw in the extra ATL service during the peak summer months, where the hub should fill the plane. BOS is already served with EI, so is not as easy a target. And it sounds like DL has other issues with BOS anyhow, which needs to be sorted before any international services are examined.

ATL to EDI is 3484 nautical miles. The above citation is, I think, for statute miles. If we're going to be talking airline/aircraft ranges, we should always stick with nautical.

As for the above poster who suggests that Delta's terminal A be used to pick up some of the carrier's transatlantic slack...keep dreaming. A good idea though, and one that was brought up in this article...

That article, praising Delta's global expansion, is now well over a year old. The carrier has outdone itself in that span.

The next batch of cities has already been announced. I doubt we'll see more before the summer of '09, but who knows.

I still find it very peculiar that no U.S. carrier serves Poland. WAW would be a natural from New York. Odd that DL would pick, for example, Malaga, Spain, and not Warsaw. There must be some politics that have kept U.S. airlines away.

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 41):I still find it very peculiar that no U.S. carrier serves Poland. WAW would be a natural from New York. Odd that DL would pick, for example, Malaga, Spain, and not Warsaw.

AGP offers incentives for longhaul flights and is within 757 range from JFK. Neither applies to WAW.

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 41):There must be some politics that have kept U.S. airlines away.

Doubt it, it's more economics. UA (and US) are likely happy with just codesharing, AA is more focused on the UK and other bigger markets in Europe (MXP for example), CO doesn't really have the equipment, as WAW is out of 757 range and the 762s are needed elsewhere. And about DL, all planes were already assigned for other routes where DL sees more demand. Of course, who knows, with the additional 757s coming, that could free up a 763ER to do JFK-WAW.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 42):And about DL, all planes were already assigned for other routes where DL sees more demand. Of course, who knows, with the additional 757s coming, that could free up a 763ER to do JFK-WAW.

The old terminal would be hard-pressed to handle another widebody from the US. We won't see an American carrier in WAW until 2009 at the earliest.