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The R1 is NOT 100g's lighter as i first expected its actually at least 30-40g's heavier then the R2, i was not happy when i weighed them both, i spoke to scott about it being heavier and they baseicly said 'it may be heavier but its stiffer....'

i had the R2 and had to warrenty 2 framesets due to miss shaped rear dropouts

so they decided to upgrade me to the R1, first R1 had chipped paint,bubbles and splinter of carbon coming off fork dropout. the second R1 and the fourth frame overall is what im using now, oh and on the R2 you can see the lovely carbon thru the finish ) on the R1 you can not (((

I have an R2 and I was informed that the R1 and R2 are the same while the R3 and R4 are different compared to the 1-2, yet the 3-4 use the same for their respective build.

just got off the phone with scott warranty, i told him that my RC doesnt have DI2 holes and he said that they do two different versions of the RC, one with holes and one without, i didnt really have the choice since it was a warrenty upgrade from a R2. he said i could drill them myself.........i thort it wasnt really as simple as that as i thort holes had to be reinforced like parlee's or crumptons.

i thort the RC was a DI2 version of the R1 but apperently not, he said it just stands for "race concept" what ever that means. i asked if it was HMX carbon as the weight isnt as good as it should be, he said its definatly HMX as all RC's are HMX as its there top spec model and should be much stiffer. and the lightness is a bi-product of the higher grade stiffer carbon.

i also asked how i know people with the same frame in larger sizes are lighter then mine and how it was heavier then my R2, he said there can be variations in the lay up and resin yada yada and how they dont all weight the same, i said ok thats fine but we are not talking 20 odd grams were talking 80-100 grams.

he didnt really know what to say but said he would email switzerland and ask about the weight, so im going to phone in a few days

im not too bothered about the DI2 holes but i am bothered about the weight tho

The headset bearings weigh 40g (the 2 of them together) and I don't know what the BB bearings would weigh but if I say 25g each (being generous here I think) then all the bearings would come to 90grams taking the fork frame down to 1285g.

If I were to talk bare frame and fork I think under 1250g is an accurate figure but doubt it would get in the 1100s.

IS that still okay?

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Shimano press-fit BB is 70-76g, and if the headset bearings are still in the frame the headset cups must be too. Total weight is about 63g for the headset bearings and cups. So your 58cm version is probably coming in around 840g for the frame+derailleur hangers.

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