Oates's best season he came third behing Lemieux and Lafontaine. His total of 142 points is the 22nd best total in history of the game. Only eight players have ever topped it. His 97 assists led the league. It's the 15 best total ever. Only Gretzky, Orr, and Lemieux have recorded more assists in a season.

Crosby topped the league with his 120 by six points over Thornton, but didn't lead in either goals or assists. That was the only year Crosby was the Art Ross winner.

Crosby was third behind his frequent linemate Malkin when he had his 103pt season and second to Sedin when he had 109, but tied with Ovechkin who played 9 fewer games that year. Technical second....

Oates was third behind his linemate Hull and Gretzky when he had 115 in only 61 games and third again behind Fedorov and Gretzky. His 90 assists in 90-91 is the 26th highest total ever. So basically, he was third in each of his best years, and in each case, he was behind one of the top two career points/game players and one other guy.

I'm not saying Oates was as good as Crosby. My memory's not that foggy. But give him credit where it's due - when he was at his best, the undrafted pivot out of RPI did a pretty good imitation of a face-of-the-league 1st overall pick. That side of the comparison is within the realm of animal intelligence. Neely-Cooke is vegetable or probably mineral.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Incorrect. I use that site to quickly find out information. I read that first, and then I read your copy of it.Posted by Not-A-Shot

Yes, because having a similar thought to someone else means it HAS to be a copy. Not that the writers of both know what they're talking about so the conclusions will be similar. Just because you rely on Wikipedia doesn't mean the rest of us do.

On occassion I'll use it to make sure my numbers are correct (such as Adam Oates point totals in 1991). Beyond that, I have my own brain and can make my own conclusions.If those conclusions have also been made by others, so be it. Not my problem, just means great minds think alike.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : BB, I couldn't believe how many folks questioned me earlier this week when I said Malkin has always been dirty. He's a kicker.Posted by dezaruchi

I think your taking this and running with it Dez. One kicking incident does not make him dirty. Ted Donato kicked Rich Pilon with both of his skates, Was he dirty? For every dirty little thing Malkin does I'd say it's done 10 times worse to him.

One of the more -"on the edge hits" by Malkin- the one he put on Willie Mitchell a few feet from the boards a few years ago. I used to like Pierre when he did the Junior Championships on TSN. Ferraro has taken his place at TSN and although he was a player and brings that insight . . . I can't stand listening to him. Heard him too much on Team 1040 in Vancouver- All the same voice-intonation, intensity- No variance, just Robin Leach-like without the accent. "I'm ray Ferraro, I played the game, you didn't. I'm talking loud and I don't know why"

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : I think your taking this and running with it Dez. One kicking incident does not make him dirty. Ted Donato kicked Rich Pilon with both of his skates, Was he dirty? For every dirty little thing Malkin does I'd say it's done 10 times worse to him. And who did he kick? Are you talking about the slew foot on Mara?Posted by kelvana33

He kicked Lecavalier during international play and he kicked someone else in the NHL. He's a dirty player. That is indisputable.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : I think it is disputable, who is the NHL player he kicked? I can't find any video of him kicking Lecavalier or anyone else ofr that matter. Did find this though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJhwlXbdNcPosted by kelvana33

He's been trying to get Malkin back ever since he was kicked. Malkin got a match penalty in the 2006 Olympics for it.

Oates's best season he came third behing Lemieux and Lafontaine. His total of 142 points is the 22nd best total in history of the game. Only eight players have ever topped it. His 97 assists led the league. It's the 15 best total ever. Only Gretzky, Orr, and Lemieux have recorded more assists in a season. Crosby topped the league with his 120 by six points over Thornton, but didn't lead in either goals or assists. That was the only year Crosby was the Art Ross winner. Crosby was third behind his frequent linemate Malkin when he had his 103pt season and second to Sedin when he had 109, but tied with Ovechkin who played 9 fewer games that year. Technical second.... Oates was third behind his linemate Hull and Gretzky when he had 115 in only 61 games and third again behind Fedorov and Gretzky. His 90 assists in 90-91 is the 26th highest total ever. So basically, he was third in each of his best years, and in each case, he was behind one of the top two career points/game players and one other guy. I'm not saying Oates was as good as Crosby. My memory's not that foggy. But give him credit where it's due - when he was at his best, the undrafted pivot out of RPI did a pretty good imitation of a face-of-the-league 1st overall pick. That side of the comparison is within the realm of animal intelligence. Neely-Cooke is vegetable or probably mineral.Posted by Bookboy007

Remember the goal Oates scored off the faceoff in the playoffs that year? He just pushed the puck forward off the draw and it snuck by the unsuspecting goalie (not sure who it was). First time I ever saw that!

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Remember the goal Oates scored off the faceoff in the playoffs that year? He just pushed the puck forward off the draw and it snuck by the unsuspecting goalie (not sure who it was). First time I ever saw that!Posted by jaywall

1992 against the Buffalo Sabres and it won the game 1-0. If the St. Louis Blues hadn't been so cheap Oates would've helped Brett Hull bust Gretzky's goal scoring record.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : 1992 against the Buffalo Sabres and it won the game 1-0. If the St. Louis Blues hadn't been so cheap Oates would've helped Brett Hull bust Gretzky's goal scoring record. And yah again Adam will make a damn fine coach one day.Posted by SanDogBrewin

Yeah...and if Sinden hadn't been such an a** Oates may have retired a Bruin. At least we got Allison and Carter in the deal. They were servicable for a couple of years until they became too expensive and Sinden let them go for peanuts.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Yeah...and if Sinden hadn't been such an a** Oates may have retired a Bruin. At least we got Allison and Carter in the deal. They were servicable for a couple of years until they became too expensive and Sinden let them go for peanuts.Posted by jaywall

Got Murray and Stumpel back for Allison too, and let's not be too liberal with that "too expensive" label. Allison was a bad risk given his injuries and total lack of speed, and he proved it by being too injured to play about 100 games into his LA career. Murray put up 170 goals when he returned.

That deal was lucky, but it proved a steal even though Carrey was a joke. Oates, Tocchet and Ranford had nothing to contribute to a bad team.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Remember the goal Oates scored off the faceoff in the playoffs that year? He just pushed the puck forward off the draw and it snuck by the unsuspecting goalie (not sure who it was). First time I ever saw that!Posted by jaywall

Tommy Draper & he played very well that series. In game 7 Andy Moog absolutely robbed Lafontaine late in the game. Almost the same kind of save Cujo made as an Oiler on then Star Joe Niewendyk in game 7 in OT, before Todd Marchant scored on Andy Moog on the following face-off. Take a look at the similarities of the saves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV1MTHN3Chk Ffwd to about the 9:25 mark.

In Response to Burn in Hell Pierre : Next to Glenn Healey, Pierre Maguire is without a doubt,the biggest knob doing hockey broadcasts on t.v today and thats saying alot.I think he says alot of these outright foolish things just to hear himself talk.He's definitely in love with his own voice. Posted by 50belowzero

I cannot stand the guy. There aren't many sports announcers I want to punch in the face, but he may be #1. And, I am not even a violent person.

How on earth did this guy even get these jobs he's had? That could be any one of us up there doing that.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : 1992 against the Buffalo Sabres and it won the game 1-0. If the St. Louis Blues hadn't been so cheap Oates would've helped Brett Hull bust Gretzky's goal scoring record. And yah again Adam will make a damn fine coach one day.Posted by SanDogBrewin

I still have no idea how Oates is not in the HOF. It doesn't seem right that Neely is in the HOF and Oates isn't. It's embarrassing, really.

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : I still have no idea how Oates is not in the HOF. It doesn't seem right that Neely is in the HOF and Oates isn't. It's embarrassing, really. Gretzky is the best passer I've ever seen, but Oates is second.Posted by BassFishing

In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : No, I said Crosby was better at the backhand pass than Oates and Gretzky. I was merely offering my opinion to the conversation, if you disagree with it thats fine, I see your going back to your immature ways.Posted by kelvana33