Hey... NASA More UFOs!

Those measures have to do with launch. Near the launch pad something can be done about the birds. Noise can be made there and the birds
might leave, the launch can be delayed. When the shuttle is landing there isn't much to be done to clear the area and the shuttle can't be
told to wait. Did you see the sts-112 video I posted? Do you think that is a UFO at the very beginning?

I'm curious so I pose a question to anybody who may know or has an opinion.

How large or bright would a UFO have to be for us to see with the naked eye on a clear dark night that was flying in space? I mean I've seen
satellites slowly traversing across the night sky before and they certainly aren't as large as a controlled alien craft. The objects for example in
the video that zoomed up to the I.S.S. then flew away. Do you think those could have been seen from earth with the naked eye on a clear night?

Originally posted by zarlaan
I'm curious so I pose a question to anybody who may know or has an opinion.

How large or bright would a UFO have to be for us to see with the naked eye on a clear dark night that was flying in space? I mean I've seen
satellites slowly traversing across the night sky before and they certainly aren't as large as a controlled alien craft. The objects for example in
the video that zoomed up to the I.S.S. then flew away. Do you think those could have been seen from earth with the naked eye on a clear night?

I think it would all depend on how much light pollution one has in their area, as to the size question I'm not sure but I would guess that a large
craft with luminous properties probably could be seen, they stay away(star wars defense system:up

After seeing the sts-112 video are you also satisfied that the landing UFO is a buzzard? Are you satisfied that Maussan misrepresented the debris
video? That he selectively edited the press conference about it?

What makes the other debris videos different from the flasher? It's just more debris. Are you asking me to tell you what each piece of debris is
actually is? If you say to me, "What's that?" and I say, "It's a 737." Are you going to say, "Well then, what's that?" Do I really
have to say "It's a C-17" instead of "It's another plane"?

Absolutly not a buzzard Phage! I accepted the "flasher" proof you provided and I agree now it's a piece off the shuttle. As far as the other
objects namly the first one I'm not so eaisly swayed. I gave you credit for some good points provided, I didn't ask that you systematicly debunk the
whole video, if you choose to thats up to you, albiet you'll have to do better then " it's a buzzard" with that one and as the first one
goes........ UFO as far as I'm concerned.

There are plenty of J.Maussan bashing threads and this isn't one of them, weather or not he porpusfully witheld information? I have no idea I would
lean twords him being misinformed personally.

Originally posted by zorgon
Its too bad that UFOlogists insist on sticking to the "Alien Spacecraft" theory... otherwise we might actually get somewhere

Agreed.

These "Critters" are physical, but appear to exist on the higher end of the energy spectrum.... in which they are primarily observed.

However, under certain conditions, they can increase their output of energy and thus can also be observed within the visible spectrum - this is likely
responsible for a large percentage of sightings in what humans observe as the UFO phenomenon.

It has been proposed that the 'critters' are lifeforms living on the edge of our three dimensional physical dimension. They manifest in ours but
primarily inhabit another dimension or they are made up of higher level energy (Plasma?) or are composed of biological materials we currently do not
understand, and which operate and maneuver under principles that we do not comprehend - Publicly anways ;-)

Life itself could theoretically have began in this spectrum, before adapting to conditions on planetary bodies - which required amongst other things,
a dramatic decrease in size whilst increasing in density.

It is also likely that some of these energy creatures not only live in orbit, but also descend into the atmosphere and move about in high altitude.
(I believe that the majority of 'real' UFO cases are directly attributable to this behaviour by the various 'critters')

*Here are some forms which are commonly observed and associated with the UFO phenomenon, and which are also exhibited by organisms known as
Diatoms:

NASA knows about them despite JimO's postulating. Its too bad that UFOlogists insist on sticking to the "Alien Spacecraft" theory... otherwise we
might actually get somewhere

It is easy to see that mechanism is the foundation of JimO and the Skeptic Tanks word view. The NASA go-to skeptics always seek out the
comfortable, conventional UFO debates, avoiding organic concepts completely. They feel that is too "strange" for this "greatest mystery of all
time"!

The flying machines from other planets theory of UFOs is the bed rock upon which the skeptics base their debates that these ET constructed spacecraft
'do not exist'.

We can all have fun debating NASA UFOs on ATS, but it is futile to seek any formal recognition from these ATS skeptics, such as JimO. This is because,
the argument is reduced to a battle against character.

Although I casually refer to these bioforms as 'critters'; A whole new classification of species is being created in order to facilitate the process
of research and discussion in the scientific community, which is almost impossible without consistence within the classification and terminological
systems.

Here is one example of the terms now being used to describe these lifeforms:

"The extraterrestrial energyzoa hypothesis (ETZH) is and alternative hypothesis of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, that some of the UFO phenomena is
best explained as being some kind of biological lifeforms and not creatures from other planets occupying physical spacecraft visiting Earth. The issue
has already been a matter of discussion in astrobiological speculation known as the atmospheric critter hypothesis."
(source: en.wikipedia.org...:Cyberguru/etzh)

*The term 'critter' was first used to describe these creatures by Trevor Constable, who also referred to the creatures as biological 'aeroforms'
which are also known as 'plasmoid bioforms'...

I will find a more concise genus/classification system and will post it here later, after my nap.

I will leave you with this comparison photo-set which contains one of the most common of these plasmoid bioforms:
(Image Courtesy of Hande - A fellow ATS member. Thanks Hande!)

EDIT: Ever Heard of a Von Neumann Probe?

Since one of the primary objectives and requirements of such a probe is self-replication, a biological component would be an easy way to overcome
certain seemingly inherent limitations often associated with Von Neumann's probe concept.

What I see on NASA videos are images of pulsating self- luminous objects, that travel beyond the Earths atmosphere at different speeds and varying in
their size.
There appears to be 2 kinds if "living" space craft.

One type, looks like amoeba! Organic,"cellular like" life forms, existing in the plasma state, that are biological in origin (space fauna). They
look the same as the 2nd type of UFO... a "constructed" space craft, that is bio-energetic, using the same free energy for propulsion as the
cellular space fauna, and are constructed using the same organic material as the biological UFOs... there "skin", which must be stronger than any of
our steel...

Both types of UFO use the same operating principals and both exist in the plasma state. They mix together in space, and the "critters"(!) and craft
often are mistaken for each other.

UFOs as only metal, flying machines from other planets, propelled by a big mysterious engine, is not what appears to be on NASA video. The
preconceived notion that all UFOs are the same (ships from other planets) is why we get them confused,
and why this topic is such an enigma.

Trevor James Constable, who you mentioned as the person to check out on this matter of organic UFOs, says in his book that on April 27, 1947, the US
Air Force stated in an official release:
"The possible existence of some sort of strange ET animals has also been remotely considered, as many of the objects acted more like animals than
anything else. However there are few reliable reports on ET animals"

Amazing, these 1947 Air Force "press releases"!... the "UFO found at Roswell", press release was 1947 and the CIA was formed, and the....!

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