The Boy Scouts of America is considering a newly-proposed resolution that calls for ending a 102-year-old policy theyve grappled with in recent years: banning gay scouts and scout leaders, gay advocates told msnbc.com on Wednesday. Though the organization said it would review the proposal, a spokesman insisted there were no plans to change the policy.

The new policy would throw out the national ban and allow local chartering organizations to decide whether or not they would accept gay youth and leaders, said Zach Wahls, an Eagle Scout who has advocated for the change, citing unidentified people he spoke to within the organization.

Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said a resolution to amend the national policy to allow each of the Scoutings chartered groups to set its own standards regarding gay members was turned in by a voting member before April 30, the deadline for submitting resolutions.

While well carefully consider this resolution, there are no plans to change this policy, he said noting that resolutions and petitions on the matter were not unique and dated back to 2000, when the Supreme Court heard a challenge over their stance (the justices sided with the Boy Scouts in the lawsuit involving a former Assistant Scoutmaster who was gay, citing the protections of the First Amendment).

Wahls, the son of a lesbian couple, last Wednesday delivered a petition bearing 275,000 signatures calling for an end to the 102-year-old policy and the reinstatement of Jennifer Tyrrell to her post as den mother after she was ousted in April because she is gay.

Wahls said he was absolutely ecstatic when he heard about the proposal to change the policy, saying it would be akin to the repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a...

The Two-Deep leadership has rendered the ban moot. The problem has always been that gay men join the troops and hide where you don’t find the problem until it is too late. It’s easier to deal with them openly.
I think gay Scouts are allowed. Half the time, they are just attention-whoring.

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posted on 06/06/2012 4:42:46 PM PDT
by AppyPappy
(If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)

Policy should stand as is. Especially being in the field, the opportunities are too great for pedophiles to take advantage of young boys. Since I have not been involved in scouting since I was a kid, I wonder if they have a two adult policy to prevent where an adult and a kid are alone by themselves ?

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posted on 06/06/2012 5:04:36 PM PDT
by CORedneck
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I don’t think there is a chance this would get approved. Why? The largest group the charters boy scout units is the LDS. And that means lots of money to National. Allow gays, and the LDS creates its own youth program, the BSA loses a ton of members, and you get the idea... so not gonna happen. By the way, I am a District Commissioner.

Make changes to the policy at the risk of killing the organization.I won’t support any childrens organization based on sexual preference.At that age sex need not be any part of it. No queer scout masters, period. These freaks need to join the priesthood if they want free access to young boys

but I have to tell ya, the trends on the recent polling are decidedly going in a gay way. Worse, if you look at the demographics by age, the young simply don’t seem to understand that gay = bad. If we don’t see a massive midlife change from those generations... gay will end being good.

The church I usher at has that same rule as well. In my position as part time instructor at the University, even with adult females, I apply this rule to myself where I either meet with them in an open area or go to email. And I have to say, I have had many very good looking girls in my classes.

> Formal name is Youth Protection, but yes, 2 deep leadership.

> No Scout, unless they are directly related by blood to the adult, is to be alone with an adult, out of sight of others, at any time, especially in tents.

It was effectively the end of Scouting in Canada. All 6 kids in my family were involved in Scouts or Girl Guides back in the 60s and 70s. None of our children have been involved. No way I’m turning over my son to an organization that no longer stands for the moral development of young men.

Bingo. The LDS church adopted and supports the BSA as the appropriate program for the young men. LDS troops are typically small organizations within the membership of a 500 person "ward". Most of the troop members are also members of that ward. Scout masters are usually "called" by the Bishop from a worthy member of the Elder's Quorum. It's usually a two to three year assignment.

The troops that are at risk are one's sponsored by a school PTA. That is the kind of troop where I became an Eagle Scout. It turned out that one of our assistant scout master's was a pedophile. He was molesting small children at the daycare center operated by his wife. When he was arrested, his son disappeared from view. It was a major embarrassment. In later years, I learned one of the scouts was queer and plying his perversion with some of the scouts in the troop. Ewww!

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posted on 06/06/2012 5:42:02 PM PDT
by dynachrome
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Outwardly gay adult males having unsupervised sleepovers with young boys. What could possibly go wrong?

It’s not like there is a track record of scout masters molesting young boys, is there? That only happens in the Catholic Church, I hear. And that’s because the Church is “evil” and supplies the young boys to the men and then covers everything up.

Schools would never do that. And the scouts have never needed to because gay men love boys and would NEVER do anything to harm them. < /sarc >

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posted on 06/06/2012 6:11:38 PM PDT
by a fool in paradise
(Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)

We had boys in our family molested in the boyscouts in the 70’s. It was a national pedophile ring set up in the Boy Scouts. If they do this, the boy scouts won’t be safe for boys anymore. They go to summer camps and on overnights with these pervs.

We don't support the Girl Scouts because of their policy of allowing lesbians to take little girls into the woods and their support of abortion. I don't even buy their cookies.

As for guys who like guys being Scout Masters? I do not want someone who is so weak willed as to have sexual conduct with someone with the same parts and willing to fiddle around in the back area, to be alone with my children or anyone's children. They can call it natural all they want, but it shows a weakness in their sexual restraint.

You are right. I have no desire to go in and change whatever perverted policies that Barry Obama's bathhouses follow. They should in turn leave Scouting alone.

Rush is right when he says these nuts would go go apoplectic if there was a test of "sexuality" before birth and people start aborting due to it's results. How fast would the homosexual maffia want to stop these types of abortions?

I agree. Not one more dime from me and I’ve been supporting the Scouts for 45 years when I started as a Cub Scout and my dad was a Scoutmaster in the Ventura CA region and my mom was a Den Mother for Webelos.

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posted on 06/06/2012 8:37:26 PM PDT
by Fledermaus
(Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)

Sounds like MSNBC and a malcontent or two are trying to make this into something much more than it really is

Yep, that was my first thought after ignoring the headline and reading the paragraphs posted above. Ironically, a story like this will only fire up the normal people who support the BSA and harden the resolve of the Boy Scouts to continue to turn away homosexual scout leaders who want to take little boys off into the woods.

Here we go down a slippery slope. I’ve known 10 homosexual individuals in my life time. My life career in counseling and hearing people’s confessions. The 1st homosexual guy I knew had 2 Mexican boys, age 8 and age 10 in his home as toys. I know this because it was our family. Another individual was a religious leader in Guatemala, my last count was 21 young men he had defiled, whose lives were ruined, and their marriages they tried to establish were always on the brink. I’ve never known a homosexual who wasn’t attracted to ‘little boys’, and thought it clever to introduce them into the alternate lifestyle. I’ve never met a homosexual who really opposed predators of small boys. I’ve heard and seen dozens of testimonials on DVD, video on Internet, and they all get inititaed into the counter lifestyle by an older adult. This wouldn’t be so personal, if it wasn’t something I’ve lived with.

I don’t think there’s a chance in the world the Boy Scouts will make any changes. They will “consider” the proposal, they will reject it categorically, and they will move on.

The Youth Protection rules are good, as is the greater awareness of the dangers homosexuals pose for children, but the rules rely on the good intentions of the vast majority of adult participants. Any toleration of people who are known to want to have sex with the Scouts - whether it’s adults or other boys - is a tacit acceptance of the sexual abuse that will occur.

The irony here is that by standing firm in their commitment to morality, the Scouts can actually represent the values they extol. And by example, show the world that there are some principles worth adhering to. I can't help but think that in the moral desert that is today's world, that has to represent a refreshing -- and alluring -- oasis. In other words, it would probably be good for membership in the long run.

Caving means they're just one more organization cowed by the demands of a tiny, deviant minority. Nothing makes them stand out, so they eventually fade into irrelevance and oblivion.

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