I don't see how this works. Are the Bronc's under the cap by 4mil some odd? I heard as well that Allen is not for trade. It would seem to me for the price to be real high to get him in a trade. I wonder what Seattle rumor was?

Allen is owed 7 million the rest of this year. Denver cannot afford him. Period. Their D sucks badly and Elway blew it with some poor allocation with some players and not planning for Welkie, so this is why they were never able to acquire a salary like that.

It's impossible.

THey'd have to cook their books again to pull it off like Bowlen and Elway did in 1996, 1997 and 1998.

Just because they couldn't afford him as his contract was structured and their current salary cap position doesn't mean they are in cap hell like you said.

I don't hate Donkies...I can't stand Poutin Manning! He is a phony who is driven by stats, a guy who has thrown teammates under the bus, a guy who looks miserable when he isn't the one scoring...he was a cry baby at 3 ...according to his brothers and he is a cry baby now...things don't change!

Russ, the broncos (regardless of the number being 6 or 9M) have more cap space currently than the pats. using your cap hell logic, if you say the broncos are in cap hell, does that mean the pats are in cap hell too? I just want to understand how your cap hell logic works as we'll be having many more of these cap hell posts this year and next. Thanks for your cooperation.

again, the true definition of salarty cap hell is having to trade or cut a player that is contributing. example, the Jets cut Jason Smith, who saved them a ton against the cap, but he wasnt playing at all. Ditto Tebow with the JEts, not playing at all.

Broncos can cut Champ next year and save a ton, and he is not playing this year

Pats on the other hand have to work with/around Mankins and Vince, 2 guys that have had touchy negotiations in the past, and are very big contributors...I would say the Pats are in worse cap shape than the Broncos

Speaking of these two, what would happen to the cap if both were cut? I know they wouldn't want to do that to Vince, but this is the nfl and he's coming off a pretty significant injury at a old age. As for Mankins, I think they'd let him go in a heartbeat and I think they could replace what he does. I imagine they'd prefer to have them take pay cuts, but I don't think either one would do that.

I don't hate Donkies...I can't stand Poutin Manning! He is a phony who is driven by stats, a guy who has thrown teammates under the bus, a guy who looks miserable when he isn't the one scoring...he was a cry baby at 3 ...according to his brothers and he is a cry baby now...things don't change!

I love it...here's a guy who a multi-Millionaire, famous, whose posterior is routinely kissed by the media and fans alike, but whose own brother claim he's a "crybaby"...anyone who's ever seen him dress down O Linemen on the field in the huddle when they have the ball KNOW this as well...he's just so easy to hate...people hate Brady because he's a pretty boy married to a supermodel with more money than many third world countries....they hate Manning because he's a horse faced puzzy dink...there's a huge difference

I don't respect him but it has zero to do with football. If he had done this to one of my 2 daughters he would have never had an NFL career.

RIght, but compare our drafts and depth to our respective teams right now. Denver has holes all over that D.

We lose Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo and Talib and it's next man up. We lose Amenolda, Gronk slow to return, Vereen, now Vollmer and it's next man up.

BB.

You have to account for quality drop off and depth through a 53 man roster. I said this last month. Our team is better built than Denver's.

BB also resigned Nink midseason where Denver is going to need to deal with their FAs and extensions in the offseason. They weren't budgeting for Welkie at 6 million. They knee jerked the move and now they will pay for it over the season.

Jared Allen was never going to Denver. Some dork in an Englewood basement somewhere in Colorado in front of his Madden video games has no idea what the cap is all about in the NFL.

Christ, we had many here rattling off names left and right and they never once looked at the player's deal past 2013.

For your sake we better beat Denver in a few weeks otherwise you are going to be looking like the fool that you are. They are the better team right now, probably will be in a few weeks too. We only have half the season left to get this team dialed in for the playoffs. It hurts to say but honestly I would feel much better about their team if I was a broncos fan then I do about our team as a Patriots fan. Funny to watch you constantly try and be negative about other teams, especially the broncos and welkie. Jealous troll. You know darn well if we were playing like them everyone here would be talking super bowl already. What is really crazy, with as bad as we are on offense and the injuries we have suffered on defense there are still many here talking Super Bowl victory. Homers.

How's those job interviews going? Was it a job fair you said you were at this week? Good luck. Read in the news that subways was hiring, have you checked there? I bet you go for those $5 footlongs all day, every day. Might be a good place for you to put in an application.