Newbie here, just Looking for clarification. Could I purchase a "Sig X" not on the "safe gun list" in Arizona and then take it home to California and legally register and own this gun? Still learning about all the gun laws and have not seen anything telling me I cannot own or register such a gun not on the list, just that I cannot purchase in the state of Cal.

Newbie here, just Looking for clarification. Could I purchase a "Sig X" not on the "safe gun list" in Arizona and then take it home to California and legally register and own this gun? Still learning about all the gun laws and have not seen anything telling me I cannot own or register such a gun not on the list, just that I cannot purchase in the state of Cal.

Newbie here, just Looking for clarification. Could I purchase a "Sig X" not on the "safe gun list" in Arizona and then take it home to California and legally register and own this gun? Still learning about all the gun laws and have not seen anything telling me I cannot own or register such a gun not on the list, just that I cannot purchase in the state of Cal.

Thanks,

EagleRider

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Why can’t I buy ‘gun x’, not on the Roster, from Joe Smith, or even Joe Smith, FFL, when those folks are out of state?

Federal law requires interstate transfer to go to an FFL in the receiver’s state. [18 USC 922 (a)(3) and (a)(5)] If you live in California, you can’t receive a handgun from out of state unless you have an FFL – and an FFL cannot sell a non-Roster gun to a non-LEO.

Could I purchase a "Sig X" not on the "safe gun list" in Arizona and then take it home to California and legally register and own this gun? Still learning about all the gun laws and have not seen anything telling me I cannot own or register such a gun not on the list, just that I cannot purchase in the state of Cal.

Since you are a CA resident, you cannot purchase a gun outside CA (or if you do, you're in trouble with the Feds). If a CA resident wants to purchase a gun it needs to run thru a CA FFL dealer. Don't attempt to 'paperless private party' purchase a gun in another state, it's illegal, and you'll get the other guy in trouble too.

If there's a gun outside CA you wanna buy, you generally need to have it sent to a CA FFL. If it's a handgun, it's gonna have to be on the Roster of Handguns Approved for Sale in CA (because even though you 'bought' it from an out of state supplier, the sale is in effect thru your transfer FFL in CA) - unless it's C&R or an exempt single-action or single-shot.

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Thanks for the info. I didn't realize that if I bought the gun out of state it had to transfer it into Cal through a FFL, which would easily explain why I was overlooking that detail.

Yeah. Big trouble at the *Fed* level. BATF watches gunshows for this.

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Anyone know the gun laws in Michigan, where my mother resides. I get the impression that I could have her purchase one and "gift" it to me.

If your mother purchases a gun, she can gift it to you. It will have to run thru a CA FFL dealer to keep the Feds happy, but it can be a non-Rostered (nonapproved) handgun since intrafamilial transfers & inheritances are exempt from Rostering requirement. Best to have a gift letter "I, Mary Jo, am giving this gun to Billy Eaglerider." that the FFL can insert into his files for possible future audit.... when he uses the DROS computer, he will have to override the Roster entry with a reason, which will be 'intrafamilal transfer'.

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Do half-brothers fall into the family transfer section?

No the only exemptions to Rostering in PC 12078(c) (I think it's (c), at least) are for 'direct line' family: between any of grandparent, parent, child or grandchild. Relatives such as aunt/uncle, cousin or nephew are not considered valid exempt interfamilial parties. "Stepfather", etc. may be questionable, not sure.

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Great post!
Could I purchase a Colt 1911 Series 70 National Match from out of state under C+R. Or do I have to be a licensed collector?

Well this site seems to say that Series 70 guns were manufactured 1970 to 1983 (but I'm not a 1911 guy, so I may not understand that correctly); if so, that's not 50 years old, so it doesn't meet the 27 CFR 478.11 definition of C&R.

If it -is- C&R, then the CA FFL who receives it can over-ride the Roster. Or, if you are a licensed C&R Collector, you can go out of state and buy it directly, and send in the required $19 and form when you get back.

If it's -not- C&R then PPT from a California resident appears to be the only purchase alternative.

I want an H&K P30 and i'm in KALI. so how would i go about getting one?

1. a buddy of mine says, if i get a P.O. Box in Texas and have it for at least a month, i can purchase guns there. so can i transfer the P30 here to KALI through FFL? I'd still need to get a 10rnd Mag, and cannot bring the 15rnd over?

2. I heard that if a LEO purchases, say a P30 and wants to sell it, that i, a civilian can purchase it? True/False? and what about the 15rn mag? would i have to purchase it with a 10rnd mag?

3. If a buddy of mine outta state Purchases a P30 gifts it to his mama here in KALI...can she PPT, or sell it to me?

I want an H&K P30 and i'm in KALI. so how would i go about getting one?

1. a buddy of mine says, if i get a P.O. Box in Texas and have it for at least a month, i can purchase guns there. so can i transfer the P30 here to KALI through FFL? I'd still need to get a 10rnd Mag, and cannot bring the 15rnd over?

2. I heard that if a LEO purchases, say a P30 and wants to sell it, that i, a civilian can purchase it? True/False? and what about the 15rn mag? would i have to purchase it with a 10rnd mag?

3. If a buddy of mine outta state Purchases a P30 gifts it to his mama here in KALI...can she PPT, or sell it to me?

1) I can't speak to Texas laws, but Fed says if you, as a CA resident, acquire a gun out of state, the transfer must occur at a CA FFL, following CA requirements. That would mean no off-Roster handguns.

Can't bring in mags GT 10 rounds.

2) If a CA LEO buys an off-Roster gun, s/he may sell it via PPT to any CA resident. May not transfer mags GT 10 rounds.

3) The intra-family bit works both ways - children to parents, parents to children, grandchildren to grandparents, grandparents to grandchildren. If your TX friend gives an off-Roster handgun to his CA grandmother, through an FFL and following the CA rules, then Granny may choose to PPT the gun to any other CA resident eligible to buy a handgun.

STILL can't transfer any mags GT 10 rounds. Might as well get used to that - if you don't own them already, you can't acquire them now.

I have a Beretta 92F that I purchased in 1988 in New York. I would like to bring this handgun to California, where I have since become a resident, but I am unclear on that hand gun's status on the roster. I see the M9 listed in two versions (including the "commercial"), which I believe is technically what the 92F is, but just the military designator. When I first bought this gun in 1988, I don't think the M9 designation was instituted yet.

If this gun is eligible to be brought into California, along with a Sig 228 that I own (that appears to be on listed on the roster for exactly one more year as of today!), what is the best legal way to bring them into CA? Can I ship them? Should I fly them with me (I would have to use an airport other than one of the NYC ones)? Is a FFL to FFL dealer the best way?

I appreciate any help or insight into these questions any members may have for me. Thanks!

I have a Beretta 92F that I purchased in 1988 in New York. I would like to bring this handgun to California, where I have since become a resident, but I am unclear on that hand gun's status on the roster. I see the M9 listed in two versions (including the "commercial"), which I believe is technically what the 92F is, but just the military designator. When I first bought this gun in 1988, I don't think the M9 designation was instituted yet.

If this gun is eligible to be brought into California, along with a Sig 228 that I own (that appears to be on listed on the roster for exactly one more year as of today!), what is the best legal way to bring them into CA? Can I ship them? Should I fly them with me (I would have to use an airport other than one of the NYC ones)? Is a FFL to FFL dealer the best way?

I appreciate any help or insight into these questions any members may have for me. Thanks!

For guns you purchased when you lived out of state, the Roster does not apply.

Presuming you are eligible to own guns, and the handguns do not qualify as 'assault weapons' (threaded barrel and magazine not in handgrip are the key forbidden features) you may become a 'personal handgun importer' and file the correct form and pay $19 for each after you bring them into California.

I have no experience doing that - didn't own any guns when last I moved into CA, and that was before the current rule anyway.

All I've heard about flying into and out of New York with guns has been bad. I'd choose to drive them, if I had the time.

Thank you, Librarian! I had been misinformed by a gun shop in LA. They told me it was unlikely I would be able to bring in these guns since they were "probably no longer listed on the roster" due to the the fact that I purchased them over 10 year ago. They were encouraging me to sell those handguns in NY and purchase new ones from them of course.

I am currently stationed overseas (forward deployed in Afghanistan) and I want to purchase a new pistol. I know how California has become a very liberal State when it comes to the sale/purchase of friearms, which I can live with, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the background check out nof the way, while deployed. Additionaly, I would like to know if my Miltary Status would allow an automatic "pass" for any course or safety crap I would have to take. I am obviously more than capable of handling a pistol and rifle, so do I need to take this crap? I have a valid CA Drivers License and took hunters safety when I was a kid. So my question woule be, who do I need to contact to get this ball rolling so when I am home for good in the Fall, I can either pick it up from the dealer (paid in full now) or have my father pick it up?

I am currently stationed overseas (forward deployed in Afghanistan) and I want to purchase a new pistol. I know how California has become a very liberal State when it comes to the sale/purchase of friearms, which I can live with, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the background check out nof the way, while deployed. Additionaly, I would like to know if my Miltary Status would allow an automatic "pass" for any course or safety crap I would have to take. I am obviously more than capable of handling a pistol and rifle, so do I need to take this crap? I have a valid CA Drivers License and took hunters safety when I was a kid. So my question woule be, who do I need to contact to get this ball rolling so when I am home for good in the Fall, I can either pick it up from the dealer (paid in full now) or have my father pick it up?

Unfortunately, there's nothing useful you can do until you get here; the Handgun Safety Certificate is trivial, but you do need to spend the money and take the test in order to buy a handgun. Generally only California FFLs do the HSC, though some firearms instructors also have that ability. There's no background check associated with it - that happens every time you buy a gun through a dealer. The background check is supposedly the reason for the 10-day wait between buying a gun and receiving it (even though other states can manage it in under an hour, I'm told.)

A work-around: your father (who also would need an HSC) could buy it and pick it up. When you get here, he can GIVE it to you, after you get your own HSC, with one simple bit of paperwork and no dealer required.

All new "safe" guns need to imprint a serial number in 2 places on a casing as it is ejected.

In other words, all new handguns that aren't already on the list are for all intents and purposes banned.

No. Microstamping is not required for new handguns before the later of: 2010, or DOJ BoF certifies that there is an unencumbered technology available to manufacturers. Since it will be 20ish years before there is an unencumbered technology, we don't have much to worry about from Microstamping.

-Gene

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That's actually going to be an issue for me, I can't buy a handgun until 2012.

And on the very DAY of my 21st I intend to walk right in and get a 1911.

Everything that is on the list may and probably will remain on the list.

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No. Microstamping is not required for new handguns before the later of: 2010, or DOJ BoF certifies that there is an unencumbered technology available to manufacturers. Since it will be 20ish years before there is an unencumbered technology, we don't have much to worry about from Microstamping.

-Gene

Who gets to verify that the technology is "unencumbered" Looks like we have the fox guarding the henhouse, yet again! If you believe those that brought us this fine concept (our legislators did), that time is now!

Who gets to verify that the technology is "unencumbered" Looks like we have the fox guarding the henhouse, yet again! If you believe those that brought us this fine concept (our legislators did), that time is now!

The OAL process is actually pretty good. If they screw it up, then you get to sue them in court. We'll be watching this one closely. Certification will be just like the previous rulemakings and we'll all get a chance to comment. Encumbered is a well understood concept under patent law.

-Gene

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