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This hand cost me a lot... need advice on this hand

those look like large pocket pairs to me, I would fold or go all in to change the variance. Hands like that are like flipping the coin on a preflop.

And the reality is no online poker site has RANDOM card delivery like in live poker. They all cater to certain styles of play or position. So on that note to say there is a wrong or right way to play that hand is BS, you are subject to the patterns that have already been established...... Has there been alot of spade flushes or have they mainly been in other suits, has there been alot of A wins or J wins or has KK been cleaning house? I have personally seen these patterns and have gone all in on a 98 of hearts because 8's had come up 7 times and hearts had come up 5 more than others and the flop was hearts but won with a full house 8's over 3's. Patterns... thats what you base that bet on

#3

8th January 2013, 3:59 AM

suit2please [826]

Poker at: Huh?!

Game: NLHE

Nobody can tell what actually happened in that hand by the above photo (Well I guess I can, but I can hardly read the bets). Run the actual hand history through a converter. Post that in the hand analysis forum with your reads, observations, or stats on the villains and you may actually get some useful feedback. Unlike the post above.

#4

8th January 2013, 4:11 AM

wagnert [77]

Online Poker at: bovada

Game: holdem

I can't tell if the guy that is shoving from the button has 6k chips or 16k chips. Normally you can put the button in the late stages of a mtt on a loose shoving range if they are short stacked. With 400/800 blinds, if it is 6k chips like I think it is, it is an easy call/reshove with the button having 7.5 big blinds. If is 16k chips, like it looks like it could be from the picture, at 20 big blinds you have to let it go. In the 7.5 big blind situation, I will normally re-shove, and hope the big blind doesn't have a monster.

#5

8th January 2013, 4:19 AM

MisterLongFace [404]

Poker at: Bovada

Game: Omaha

your stack size is close to average so you are not in a desperate situation, and their stack size is not desperate either so the range would be ... likely - they have you dominated (aq,ak,aa) or strong advantage (qqkk) or 55/45 small villian advantage and ..... least likely - you have them dominated. seems like a fold to me. you say the hand cost you a lot but u don't say if it was becuz you called and lost or folded and would have won. either way if u fold here and see the hand play out that you would have won, that's the way it goes sometimes, when you have a decent stack going, you shouldn't make plays wondering about coulda shoulda woulda imo.

if you have a strong read on this player that u r likely way ahead preflop here, of course you have to discard all previous reasoning, and go with that, but even against these types I throw away hands sometimes because even loose agros do get hands. you never know when fortune may favor shortly down the road with a better opportunity, and so when u have a stack to work with that is usually the better option. either way you are depending a large part on luck, and luck is more likely to favor you waiting then going here i think. 21k with 400/800 blinds, i would consider that a stack to work with still, tho u r approaching moving time pretty quick, and here you a have a table round of free hands comin up after folding this one.

edit: everything i wrote above was based on the guy shoving has 36k stack. i realize now maybe i cant read that pic, the numbers too small. maybe it is only a 6k stack pushing? not sure

#6

8th January 2013, 4:22 AM

Kenzie 96 [10,267]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

those look like large pocket pairs to me, I would fold or go all in to change the variance. Hands like that are like flipping the coin on a preflop.

And the reality is no online poker site has RANDOM card delivery like in live poker. They all cater to certain styles of play or position. So on that note to say there is a wrong or right way to play that hand is BS, you are subject to the patterns that have already been established...... Has there been alot of spade flushes or have they mainly been in other suits, has there been alot of A wins or J wins or has KK been cleaning house? I have personally seen these patterns and have gone all in on a 98 of hearts because 8's had come up 7 times and hearts had come up 5 more than others and the flop was hearts but won with a full house 8's over 3's. Patterns... thats what you base that bet on

WVU, you mean this post was twice as silly afore you slapped the ol editin pen on it?

#7

8th January 2013, 4:25 AM

ibsiegel [153]

Poker at: varies

Game: Omaha H/L

re: Poker & Call or Fold

Quote:

Originally Posted by suit2please

Nobody can tell what actually happened in that hand by the above photo (Well I guess I can, but I can hardly read the bets). Run the actual hand history through a converter. Post that in the hand analysis forum with your reads, observations, or stats on the villains and you may actually get some useful feedback. Unlike the post above.

Really? Do you really think that your converter or analysis is going to predict the outcome of that hand. Because i play every day at Bovada Juicy Pokerhost and i dont believe there is ANY program that is going to tell you what to do. I have gone thru Locks little advice thing and its BS Too. Bottom Line if you dont have the LOCK and its PREFLOP and you are not the one betting but calling your better off folding.

#8

8th January 2013, 4:26 AM

MisterLongFace [404]

Online Poker at: Bovada

Game: Omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

those look like large pocket pairs to me, I would fold or go all in to change the variance. Hands like that are like flipping the coin on a preflop.

And the reality is no online poker site has RANDOM card delivery like in live poker. They all cater to certain styles of play or position. So on that note to say there is a wrong or right way to play that hand is BS, you are subject to the patterns that have already been established...... Has there been alot of spade flushes or have they mainly been in other suits, has there been alot of A wins or J wins or has KK been cleaning house? I have personally seen these patterns and have gone all in on a 98 of hearts because 8's had come up 7 times and hearts had come up 5 more than others and the flop was hearts but won with a full house 8's over 3's. Patterns... thats what you base that bet on

all good advice here .... only thing I would add is to maximize the chances of favorable flops, wearing an aluminum foil hat while playing online is highly recommended.

#9

8th January 2013, 4:32 AM

suit2please [826]

Poker at: Huh?!

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

Really? Do you really think that your converter or analysis is going to predict the outcome of that hand. Because i play every day at Bovada Juicy Pokerhost and i dont believe there is ANY program that is going to tell you what to do. I have gone thru Locks little advice thing and its BS Too. Bottom Line if you dont have the LOCK and its PREFLOP and you are not the one betting but calling your better off folding.

A hand history converter does nothing but change the hand history from a big blob of text to something easily readible. The hand analysis forum is a sub forum on this site. I said nothing of any programs, no program can tell you "what to do".

#10

8th January 2013, 4:33 AM

ibsiegel [153]

Online Poker at: varies

Game: Omaha H/L

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenzie 96

WVU, you mean this post was twice as silly afore you slapped the ol editin pen on it?

do you think the majority of the sites are 100% random? Because i have never been in a live poker game where i got the exact same cards 3 times in a row and the flop was the same except different suits? NEVER in real life its not physically possible if you shuffle. So to say these sites are RANDOM card delivery is BS.

#11

8th January 2013, 4:43 AM

ibsiegel [153]

Poker at: varies

Game: Omaha H/L

[QUOTE=suit2please;2015395]A hand history converter does nothing but change the hand history from a big blob of text to something easily readible. The hand analysis forum is a sub forum on this site. I said nothing of any programs, no program can tell you "what to do".[/QUO

The funny thing is you dismiss what i said as conjecture and useless when in fact if you were to run your analysis on the tourney you will see that its not that far off from reality and who ever won that hand probably won it with something that has won often during that tourney.

#12

8th January 2013, 4:47 AM

ibsiegel [153]

Online Poker at: varies

Game: Omaha H/L

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterLongFace

all good advice here .... only thing I would add is to maximize the chances of favorable flops, wearing an aluminum foil hat while playing online is highly recommended.

Agreed maybe attach your roof antenna to it. lol

#13

8th January 2013, 4:56 AM

Jblocher1 [2,185]

Poker at: Americas Car

Game: Holdem

I fold right there.it really looks like a huge pocket pair to me.

#14

8th January 2013, 4:58 AM

ibsiegel [153]

Online Poker at: varies

Game: Omaha H/L

re: Poker & Call or Fold

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripclawph

This hand cost me a lot... need advice on this hand

ok Just so we are clear, pl1 calls the 800 blind with 2k left button goes all in you are small blind with 6k less than big blind. do you risk the 7k and your position in tourney? No unless you have won or seen others during the tourney win with the same hand consistently AGAIN during that Tourney.

That is my opinion and everyone has one just like aholes most of them stink but im sticking to it. LOL

#15

8th January 2013, 6:03 AM

wagnert [77]

Poker at: bovada

Game: holdem

The more I look at it, the more I think it is a re-shove. It looks like 6k, which is 7.5 big blinds. You need to put the button on a loose open shoving range with 7.5 big blinds. On top of that, I think it is too early to protect your second place standing. There is still 4000 people left and the bubble is at 630. Still too much poker to be played to worry about a 2nd place standing.

#16

8th January 2013, 6:28 AM

Poker Orifice [16,794]

Game: NLHE

Things to consider:
call & lose you're left with a resteal-shove stack
vs. calling & winning & the advantages this will give you at this stage & on this particular table.. (or just folding).

#17

8th January 2013, 3:40 PM

JohnBoyWWFC [5,366]

Poker at: FTP/PS

Game: holdem

No one's mentioned that this is during the rebuy period. Think that should probably be a factor in our decision. I call.

#18

8th January 2013, 4:04 PM

TIMNILES44 [462]

Online Poker at: Juicy

Game: holdem

OH come on you fold this hand unless like stated eariler spades have been hitting or you've seen a pattern that would make you think you had at least a coin flip of a shot of winning.This is online poker not live you must play the site !

#19

8th January 2013, 4:08 PM

Ducky7 [3,490]

Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: Holdem, PLO

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

do you think the majority of the sites are 100% random? Because i have never been in a live poker game where i got the exact same cards 3 times in a row and the flop was the same except different suits? NEVER in real life its not physically possible if you shuffle. So to say these sites are RANDOM card delivery is BS.

You are one delusional cat, and thats because you havent played any live hands compared to online

#20

8th January 2013, 4:11 PM

WVHillbilly [22,659]

Online Poker at: Full Tilt

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

The funny thing is you dismiss what i said as conjecture and useless when in fact if you were to run your analysis on the tourney you will see that its not that far off from reality and who ever won that hand probably won it with something that has won often during that tourney.

We have a rigtard thread for the crazies so please confine your stupidity to that thread unless you actually have something meaningful to add.

#21

8th January 2013, 4:35 PM

detourglr [229]

Poker at: Carbon

Game: holdem

re: Poker & Call or Fold

this is an easy fold..
you are risky a third of your stack and the his raise is more than 5X the big blind..
now the only way I would even consider this is if this guy shoves a lot previously.. Then I might consider it.

#22

8th January 2013, 4:37 PM

JusSumguy [4,272]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIMNILES44

OH come on you fold this hand unless like stated eariler spades have been hitting or you've seen a pattern that would make you think you had at least a coin flip of a shot of winning.

Huh? A pattern? Splain this pattern theory please.

Quote:

This is online poker not live you must play the site !

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An AJs against a short stack, pushing from the button, during the rebuy period? Seems a bit better than a coin flip to me.

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#23

9th January 2013, 12:26 AM

vinylspiros [4,368]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibsiegel

those look like large pocket pairs to me, I would fold or go all in to change the variance. Hands like that are like flipping the coin on a preflop.

And the reality is no online poker site has RANDOM card delivery like in live poker. They all cater to certain styles of play or position. So on that note to say there is a wrong or right way to play that hand is BS, you are subject to the patterns that have already been established...... Has there been alot of spade flushes or have they mainly been in other suits, has there been alot of A wins or J wins or has KK been cleaning house? I have personally seen these patterns and have gone all in on a 98 of hearts because 8's had come up 7 times and hearts had come up 5 more than others and the flop was hearts but won with a full house 8's over 3's. Patterns... thats what you base that bet on

Honestly,i think that the pattern thing your talking about is the equivallent to a psychic indian smoking on a pipe and talking to dancing snakes.i dont believe in pattern magic but whatever rocks your boat man. this is a free world.you are entitled to your own opinion.

To OP: the caller with the 2 k left probably has a mid to low pocket pair and is begging for a cheap flop or has aces.either way your not too worried about him cause his stack is too small. the shover probably has 10's or QQ's and is trying to isolate the limper. i would take my chances and reshove to get rid of the high stacked BB. thats who i would be worried about. if i lose to the other two.SO BE IT. But if you decide to play this hand i dont see how the BB can call a limper a raiser and a reshover. so SHOVE AND PRAY for the "patterns". ( moon and stars allign )

#24

9th January 2013, 12:34 AM

domeburglar [607]

Online Poker at: ACR/Bovada

Game: Cooties

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinylspiros

Honestly,i think that the pattern thing your talking about is the equivallent to a psychic indian smoking on a pipe and talking to dancing snakes.

HAHAHA this made me laugh people come up with these new reasons for playing certain hands and why they won or lost every second i cant keep track nemore

#25

9th January 2013, 12:40 AM

vinylspiros [4,368]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by domeburglar

HAHAHA this made me laugh people come up with these new reasons for playing certain hands and why they won or lost every second i cant keep track nemore

I KNOW MAN. and the scarry thing is that they believe it so much they actually say things like that in public.id be embarassed. to say that the next hand will be dealt because the patterns in the sky have alligned and the mythical powers have been released.....ETC

#26

9th January 2013, 12:44 AM

OMGITSOVER9K [2,971]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: Holdem

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#27

9th January 2013, 12:46 AM

JohnBoyWWFC [5,366]

Poker at: FTP/PS

Game: holdem

Basically, this whole thread is stupid. If people keep talking about riggedness, I'm just gonna delete it. As WVH said, there is a thread for Rigtards.

#28

9th January 2013, 1:55 PM

Ducky7 [3,490]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: Holdem, PLO

re: Poker & Call or Fold

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBoyWWFC

Basically, this whole thread is stupid. If people keep talking about riggedness, I'm just gonna delete it. As WVH said, there is a thread for Rigtards.

Think OP was asking a serious question so thats a bit harsh the thread just got a slight change of topic

#29

9th January 2013, 2:17 PM

JohnBoyWWFC [5,366]

Poker at: FTP/PS

Game: holdem

So discuss the hand and not that you should fold because of the "system".

#30

9th January 2013, 2:20 PM

Ducky7 [3,490]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: Holdem, PLO

#31

10th January 2013, 10:07 PM

Poker Orifice [16,794]

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBoyWWFC

No one's mentioned that this is during the rebuy period. Think that should probably be a factor in our decision. I call.

Didn't see the pic. of lobby (3x Turbo) = call
(I didn't even realize it was during rebuy period)

Is there a way to either delete the ridic posts or maybe send them to the rigged thread?

#32

10th January 2013, 10:21 PM

doomasiggy [1,915]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

lol, rigtards.

Yeah snap call, fold if bb shoves.

#33

14th January 2013, 10:03 AM

CeNing [11]

Poker at: bovada

Game: holdem/omaha

Imo fold at best your are 50/50 I'm assuming he has 88/ ak but other thanhis shove the bb could wake up with a monster and i don't trust that limper.