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Yohji Yamamoto

All right you all. Let's put NumberNine, Undercover, and all these other children's Japanese games aside - let's talk about the MASTER. Yohji never ceases to amaze me, over and over again. His clothes are like architecture, and I love how he marches to his own (black) beat. I think he's great. I would also like to recommend Wim Wender's documentary about Yohji, Notebooks on Cities and Clothes.

Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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I actually have Notebooks on Cities and Clothes in my Netflix queue right now -- I can't wait to see it. Yohji is one of the few designers who truly makes me see fashion as an art form by exemplifying it in his pieces.

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Yohji is someone who has grown on me a lot in the past few months. I think once I can afford his pieces, a lot of his things might find their place in my wardrobe. I also own his documentary on DVD, and I also recommend it. His A Magazine edition is also my favorite. I'll post some of my favorite looks in a bit. Faust, where did you find your photos?

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i really love yohji's womens clothes. i find his menswear is hard to figure out for me - the silhouette is something i figure out most of time - i appreciate bagginess but it doesn't look right the times i've tried much of his clothing. anyone have any insight on how to pull this off properly? i remember it being discussed briefly when the forum just started.. but the discussion didn't last too long.

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Yes, with Yohji you often either have to be fairly tall, or embrace the loose silhouette he promotes. He does - he wears his own cothes and somehow they look great on him. I have to say that his Y's line is much slimmer. I was eyeing a gorgeous knit coat from it, may still go for it. It's a nice mix between outerwear and a robe. I have two pieces from Yohji, both tops, and I love them. They are quirky and very high quality.

Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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[quote user="xcoldricex"]i really love yohji's womens clothes. i find his menswear is hard to figure out for me - the silhouette is something i figure out most of time - i appreciate bagginess but it doesn't look right the times i've tried much of his clothing. anyone have any insight on how to pull this off properly? i remember it being discussed briefly when the forum just started.. but the discussion didn't last too long.
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in my opinion, it has more to do with your built. if you ownone of those dior model body type you will look out of place in yohji stuff. i have never had problem fitting into yohji items, i have a few tops and pants and they fit me pretty well. it might be because of my shoulder width and the result of working out which then sort of offsets the loose silhouette he creates.

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I have a love-hate relationship with Yohji. Conceptually, I love him. Practically, he makes me look like a homeless bum or someone who doesn't know what size he wears when I try to wear his garments.

So, I'm with Faust and xcoldricex, I love the womenswear butcan only conceptually appreciatethe menswear. As others have mentioned, I am tall and skinny and usually look better in stuff from Helmut or Jil. So, the clothes really aren't made for me. If one is shorter or stockier (or shaped like Yohji himself), the look is great.

But, God knows I've tried... having several friends who work for boutiques in Japan, I've had a veritable wardrobe of Yohji stuff from nearly all of his lines... from the mainlines to Y-3 to "Y's for Living," nearly all of which I later gave away to Japanese friends who made it look good.

I couldn't make any of it work, except for a very few simple items. But, nevertheless, I think the stuff is so damn interesting I keep buying it. The piece I regret NOT buying most (perhaps of any in my life) was a black wool unstructured blazer with brownpaper stripes attached with fishing line, from which the paper was then partially removed (leaving the front of the jacket having strange stripes of ripped paper and fishing line). I could have had it for about $60 (6900 yen) and I passed. Stupid me... it was worth it for that just to keep in the closet as a collector's piece.

But, the best part of Yohji is that he's been around for decades and has never changed, never scrimped or cut corners to make a quick buck, never kept expanding and expanding and signing licenses (or, when he does a license, it generally turns out to be more interesting than most other people's mainlines), and has never changed his silhouette despite the changes in the fashion winds. So, I'll keep paying attention... and so will you. ;)

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ISo, I'm with Faust and xcoldricex, I love the womenswear butcan only conceptually appreciatethe menswear. As others have mentioned, I am tall and skinny and usually look better in stuff from Helmut or Jil. So, the clothes really aren't made for me. If one is shorter or stockier (or shaped like Yohji himself), the look is great.

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I disagreeYohji clothes are for the short and stocky. Hismodels on runway havedifferent body shapes. And I don't see any short and stocky salesperson inYohji shop in Tokyo, as I think, the salesperson in the store is the best model to presentthe image of the brand.

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ISo, I'm with Faust and xcoldricex, I love the womenswear butcan only conceptually appreciatethe menswear. As others have mentioned, I am tall and skinny and usually look better in stuff from Helmut or Jil. So, the clothes really aren't made for me. If one is shorter or stockier (or shaped like Yohji himself), the look is great.

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I disagreeYohji clothes are for the short and stocky. Hismodels on runway havedifferent body shapes. And I don't see any short and stocky salesperson inYohji shop in Tokyo, as I think, the salesperson in the store is the best model to presentthe image of the brand.

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Ha, actually most people in the Yohji store in NYC are pretty short. Well, I'm short, and I have a good frame for my height, but unlike Yohji, I try to buy clothes that closely resembles my anatomy. So, for me, this becomes more of a question of attitude. There is something about Yohji, when you look at him, something so serene and comfortable, and harmonious, that it just works. Same with the guy Buckwheat posted. Look at his face - it's amazing how peaceful he looks. As John alluded, it is clear that Yohji does what he does, because that's how he sees the world.. and that's exactly why these clothes work on him. Attitude is important[57]

P.S. H-R, would love to see you in the WAYWT thread [Y]

Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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Great thread guys, I would love the keep the discussion going.
These are just some of my initial/random thoughts that I just wanted to get out there. I'll try and fix them up properly tomorrow.

As with most of the others have said, conceptually, I love his clothing. However when it comes to wearing it I find myself a little torn.
For me, personally, Yohji's clothes are more about how it makes you feel, rather than look. I find that his clothing gives the wearer a sense of air and ease about them self. But to wear them really well, I think first the wearer has to have that sense of comfort and ease already in themselves. Almost to the point where the wearer must cast away their unhealthy desires and be able to wholly embrace themselves. Which to me hints at an attitude linked to Buddhism and Zen.

I find myself struggling between these two at times. I do have a cardigan, blazer and linen 'mc-hammer' pants which I adore and get much wear out of. However I have a boxy jacket which feels like heaven but I am just not comfortable enough wearing because I guess it makes me look ridiculously short and wide. But in ten, fifteen years perhaps? I think I will be able to break through those things that are stopping me from wearing it now...

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you are welcome Avantster and Laika.

Nqth - would love to see your photo.

Laika - have you seenYohji's karate video on Youtube? In that video there is also a segment where he collaborated with Choreographer Pina Bausch, which Yohji designed the costumes. There's also an interview in an old i-D magazine that talks about Yohji and the collboration. Pretty cool :)

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I haven't seen either of those things, Buckwheat! Do you have any links?

I can't remember if I have posted this before, but here is Yohji's new flagship site in the Meatpacking district. They've just begun construction (there is a big red wall around the building now [64]) and are aiming to open in November. I can't imagine a more perfect building or location for Yohji! And oh dear, it's just a ten minute walk from my place.... [67]

...I mean the ephemeral, the fugitive, the contingent, the half of art whose other half is the eternal and the immutable.