There is a story out on Aljazeera now that Al-Qaeda may attack Guantanamo Bay and release it's prisoners. Aljazeera

You gotta admit, even if it is a psyop its a big one. Dramatic and massive prison breaks, worldwide alerts, bombs implanted in stomachs and now a
watch on one of the most famous terrorist prisons in the world.

Well now, aren't they an ambitious bunch? If they hadn't already busted people out of prisons, I'd say good luck with that. But they have
had some practice runs in breaking people out of prison recently, and that might be very telling if this Gitmo-break idea pans out to be true. It also
makes me wonder what, if anything, Cuba might or might not do. It is, after all, on their island.

Wow... Ease up a bit on all that hostility. We're all entitled to our opinions. In my opinion, they are making the Mt. Everest from a rather
manageable mole hill and likely one built deliberately for them to find. Now, if I'm wrong, then we're ALL in a world of hurt because unless Obama
just keeps his guts on cold storage somewhere, the whole war's back on with a vengeance if something DOES happen.

That's the whole thing though. The other side is hurting as bad or worse than we are for keeping up the pace. The US is effectively out of Iraq.
Leaving Afghanistan within a year at most for all but a fraction of what's been there before. Why would they want, at this moment, to turn the WHOLE
thing back on and more than ever? It makes no sense.

However, another big chunk of disinfo played back on us? Well. a dollar spent by them is probably $100,000 required in response by us, at the very
least. Paranoia isn't hard to trip and given financial destruction has been their goal, publicly stated, since the late 90's? This already did what
they needed it to do.

* BTW..... It is important to add and really consider something. They've also been saying for years that threats come many a day, every day, non
stop. Even before 9/11 and that was used as logic for how it all got missed. Just mist across an ocean. That's long before we could have guessed at
confirmation to just HOW much they really monitor and how that's improved. Now why pick this one, of all ones? There is just too much wrong with this
one in so many ways. Logic of the other side (while, don't forget, they need us right now in Syria...unbelievably) is just one factor
here.

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Sure Wrabbit, I'll ease up even though on a previous thread you indicated quite frankly and directly (you know the one) where you said that you
needed to step back from your initial opinion........I'm not gonna embarrass you any more.....hypocrite and you know it....if you really have the
courage, humility you will admit that......but, i suppose it's easier to march to the tune "Paranoia Blues" that anything and everything has a
duplicity to it....??? Be a man....admit that you don't want 1,000 to die to please the shill that troll these pages to dump their ignorance of what
is really going on!!! I thought better of you!~

Yes. I like it. On the scale of evil moves that is one the better ones. Release an army of prisoners nearly 2000 strong. If you even get half the
number to side with you and had the arms to back yourself up, what could you do in one of the weaker countries like Libya or Yemen.

For a reference, Sing Sing Prison holds roughly the same number of prisoners that were released. So what could a 1000 American prisoners with guns and
a plan do?

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Ridiculous!! Insane even.....Release???? reallly.....for the sake of god, don't you read.....they broke out....were 'released' by terrorists breaking
them out.....complicitly with the very countries we are talking about in a WAR on terror

And so YOU LIKE IT!! Back from McDonalds? got your six pack...You like it.....You like it....Sing Sing...Sing another tune brother and drink another
all of those prisoners are Americans caught on charges of drugs, rape, robbery, you name it.......The Jihadists that were freed by complicit
affiliates of Al Qaeda are murderers....killers....YOU LIKE IT!! YOUR entertainment, you don't care because potentially you are 1,000's of miles away
and your A$$ is safe when you drive home from MikeyDees and the liquor store and your fingertips roam the internet and touch your remote control as
you feed your imagination that the world sucks and you just want to feed into the misery that you have and want everyone else to feel. No compassion
or awareness of what real people may be going through. I served this country and it is people like you that reflect an elitist and could care less
attitude....go vote for your Weiner-man for mayor........I'm sure you've enjoyed Mr. Dangerous.....because YOU LIKE IT....eh?????

Wanting to do something big? How about sponsoring free operations and surgery for poor in the Islamic world or in like wretchedly poor nations like
Bangladesh or Sudan and removing a medical plight from the lives of say 10,000 Islamics.

Instead, fanatics spread hate and fear and send kids to battle and similar nonsense. Fanatics are also very active in throwing bombs and aggression
over those who might be moderate in the Islamic nations.

The filth over at the NSA have to keep the money rolling in so why not stir up some much needed fear. TPTB are starting to get predictable the show
is starting to get boring.

Remember what Yoda said............Fear is the path to the dark side. He was right fear is the root of evil. If you let it into your heart and
mind it will rot you from the inside out. TPTB want us all to live in constant fear it is the only way they can keep the upper hand.

We aren't just fighting windmills, we are blowing them straight to hell....

A pair of suspected U.S. drone strikes killed four al Qaeda militants in Yemen as the United States maintained a heightened security alert in
the country and urged all Americans to leave immediately.
Security sources told CNN about the strikes but didn't offer additional details. A Yemeni official said four drone strikes have been carried out in
the past 10 day

Yes, i like it. Ancient Hatreds and modern weapons is my kinda show. It's like a good spy novel gone live action.

Ok, but are you not the slightest concerned about the potential loss of life? Perhaps my sensitivity is heightened due to the fact that I have
served, and it really is a very ugly and painful thing to witness, the loss, destruction and then those that don't die but are maimed for life. I
just find it very scary and wish harm on anyone. Actually glad to see they've flown out some citizens from Yemen which appears to be ground zero at
this point....The Brits too!

Wow... Ease up a bit on all that hostility. We're all entitled to our opinions. In my opinion, they are making the Mt. Everest from a rather
manageable mole hill and likely one built deliberately for them to find. Now, if I'm wrong, then we're ALL in a world of hurt because unless Obama
just keeps his guts on cold storage somewhere, the whole war's back on with a vengeance if something DOES happen.

That's the whole thing though. The other side is hurting as bad or worse than we are for keeping up the pace. The US is effectively out of Iraq.
Leaving Afghanistan within a year at most for all but a fraction of what's been there before. Why would they want, at this moment, to turn the WHOLE
thing back on and more than ever? It makes no sense.

However, another big chunk of disinfo played back on us? Well. a dollar spent by them is probably $100,000 required in response by us, at the very
least. Paranoia isn't hard to trip and given financial destruction has been their goal, publicly stated, since the late 90's? This already did what
they needed it to do.

* BTW..... It is important to add and really consider something. They've also been saying for years that threats come many a day, every day, non
stop. Even before 9/11 and that was used as logic for how it all got missed. Just mist across an ocean. That's long before we could have guessed at
confirmation to just HOW much they really monitor and how that's improved. Now why pick this one, of all ones? There is just too much wrong with this
one in so many ways. Logic of the other side (while, don't forget, they need us right now in Syria...unbelievably) is just one factor
here.

edit on 5-8-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Sure Wrabbit, I'll ease up even though on a previous thread you indicated quite frankly and directly (you know the one) where you said that you
needed to step back from your initial opinion........I'm not gonna embarrass you any more.....hypocrite and you know it....if you really have the
courage, humility you will admit that......but, i suppose it's easier to march to the tune "Paranoia Blues" that anything and everything has a
duplicity to it....??? Be a man....admit that you don't want 1,000 to die to please the shill that troll these pages to dump their ignorance of what
is really going on!!! I thought better of you!~

Is there something about this that prevents you from keeping a discussion out of the personal insults and attacks? That's the second time you just
kinda unload on me and I still have no idea what I did to make it a personal fight? No idea whatsoever. You know me on another screen name I'm not
aware of or something?? The intense dislike your message shows is so strong, its totally out of place on this thread or any other I know you from.

Wow... Ease up a bit on all that hostility. We're all entitled to our opinions. In my opinion, they are making the Mt. Everest from a rather
manageable mole hill and likely one built deliberately for them to find. Now, if I'm wrong, then we're ALL in a world of hurt because unless Obama
just keeps his guts on cold storage somewhere, the whole war's back on with a vengeance if something DOES happen.

That's the whole thing though. The other side is hurting as bad or worse than we are for keeping up the pace. The US is effectively out of Iraq.
Leaving Afghanistan within a year at most for all but a fraction of what's been there before. Why would they want, at this moment, to turn the WHOLE
thing back on and more than ever? It makes no sense.

However, another big chunk of disinfo played back on us? Well. a dollar spent by them is probably $100,000 required in response by us, at the very
least. Paranoia isn't hard to trip and given financial destruction has been their goal, publicly stated, since the late 90's? This already did what
they needed it to do.

* BTW..... It is important to add and really consider something. They've also been saying for years that threats come many a day, every day, non stop.
Even before 9/11 and that was used as logic for how it all got missed. Just mist across an ocean. That's long before we could have guessed at
confirmation to just HOW much they really monitor and how that's improved. Now why pick this one, of all ones? There is just too much wrong with this
one in so many ways. Logic of the other side (while, don't forget, they need us right now in Syria...unbelievably) is just one factor
here.

edit on 5-8-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Sure Wrabbit, I'll ease up even though on a previous thread you indicated quite frankly and directly (you know the one) where you said that you needed
to step back from your initial opinion........I'm not gonna embarrass you any more.....hypocrite and you know it....if you really have the courage,
humility you will admit that......but, i suppose it's easier to march to the tune "Paranoia Blues" that anything and everything has a duplicity to
it....??? Be a man....admit that you don't want 1,000 to die to please the shill that troll these pages to dump their ignorance of what is really
going on!!! I thought better of you!~

Is there something about this that prevents you from keeping a discussion out of the personal insults and attacks? That's the second time you just
kinda unload on me and I still have no idea what I did to make it a personal fight? No idea whatsoever. You know me on another screen name I'm not
aware of or something?? The intense dislike your message shows is so strong, its totally out of place on this thread or any other I know you from.

Ok Wrabbit, my intention was not to insult or make personal insults, however, I may have let the passion and emotion of the subject matter reply in a
way that was not appropriate nor how I wish to carry an intelligent conversation. So allow my apologize to you, sorry for unloading on you. Let me
say that perhaps I misinterpreted your reply on one thread regarding the same subject matter, then a similar thread came along where you appeared to
go completely against what you had stated previously. Paraphrase " that you had changed your mind and that you were going to take a different stance
and wait and see on the current Middle East situation....I Agreed

I thought that discourse was handled appropriately and intelligently. So, if
you've change your position....that's fine, you are entitled to do so. So again, not meant to be personal, nor dislike. I apologize. I am humble
enough to admit that my comments were probably too strong!

Thanks for the time taken to come back and write that. It's appreciated and all's good. I got your other and same there.

In all honesty, I'm just glad at this point that by whatever means it ended up being, whether deception from the start or deterrence by reaction?
Nothing has happened in the end here and so no one was hurt or killed. That's especially true as the statistics on attacks like the US seems to have
thought were coming and still do it seems are of the type the local population takes far heavier losses than American by the nature of things, anyway.
Potentially, hundreds of locals to every 1 or 2 Americans. So it's certainly something to be glad just hasn't come to pass.

Let's hope it continues with nothing happening and so long as it does, the hows aren't as important, I suppose.

Thanks for the time taken to come back and write that. It's appreciated and all's good. I got your other and same there.

In all honesty, I'm just glad at this point that by whatever means it ended up being, whether deception from the start or deterrence by reaction?
Nothing has happened in the end here and so no one was hurt or killed. That's especially true as the statistics on attacks like the US seems to have
thought were coming and still do it seems are of the type the local population takes far heavier losses than American by the nature of things, anyway.
Potentially, hundreds of locals to every 1 or 2 Americans. So it's certainly something to be glad just hasn't come to pass.

Let's hope it continues with nothing happening and so long as it does, the hows aren't as important, I suppose.

Agreed, no one has been severely hurt since it has been one week already since the first announcements about the Embassy closings were made.

Just catching CNN and Wolf Blitzer is having a conversation with Adm. Dennis Blair (RET.) Former Director of National Intelligence is seemingly
indicating that "what ever threat there was, those forces have decided to back off to another day the terrorist always have the option of postponing
their attack and I imagine that's what they have done....."

Blitzer: "so maybe all of the publicity that has been put out there has made them change their mind.....
Blair: "I'd say that' true....

So difficult to speculate. But perhaps the Announcements and Alerts did have an affect. However, I just feel if not this week.....any other given week
in the future will satisfy them fine. Of course a few more Drone strikes in Yemen over night I'm didn't hurt from deferring them a little bit.
Peace!!

I've been reading up on some WWII stufff last few weeks. Sigint (Signal Intelligence) was a major part of the covert, non-combat part of the
struggle.
before D-Day the allies had a special radio team that broadcast phony traffic about a nonexistent Patton-led army preparing to invade Dover,
misleading the Germans as to the when and where of the landing.
the Germans did similar before the Battle of the Bulge; their radio traffic was quiet as they passed orders through couriers and made
troop/equipment movements at night to foil air recon. History shows their success at acheiving surprise.
I read years ago about how some intel people blasted the combat people in Viet Nam after the Tet offensive, showing them the intel warnings of
possible enemy action. the combat general then showed them similar warnings for something like fifteen of the previous twenty weekends. the relevant
one was dismissed as the same old thing.
I don't want to give the bad guys credit, but there are some very smart people over there who spend a lot of time planning and thinking. don't
think they aren't well aware of the NSA and other matters over here.
I think the threat implied by the prison breaks is undervalued. presumably these guys were freed for a future operation; not for a few months,
I'm sure (Christmas?), but on its way.
we'll see if we get intel scares one a month or so until we get tired of them and start disregarding them; then...bango.
that's my fear.

Originally posted by works4dhs
I've been reading up on some WWII stufff last few weeks. Sigint (Signal Intelligence) was a major part of the covert, non-combat part of the
struggle.
before D-Day the allies had a special radio team that broadcast phony traffic about a nonexistent Patton-led army preparing to invade Dover,
misleading the Germans as to the when and where of the landing.
the Germans did similar before the Battle of the Bulge; their radio traffic was quiet as they passed orders through couriers and made
troop/equipment movements at night to foil air recon. History shows their success at acheiving surprise.
I read years ago about how some intel people blasted the combat people in Viet Nam after the Tet offensive, showing them the intel warnings of
possible enemy action. the combat general then showed them similar warnings for something like fifteen of the previous twenty weekends. the relevant
one was dismissed as the same old thing.
I don't want to give the bad guys credit, but there are some very smart people over there who spend a lot of time planning and thinking. don't
think they aren't well aware of the NSA and other matters over here.
I think the threat implied by the prison breaks is undervalued. presumably these guys were freed for a future operation; not for a few months,
I'm sure (Christmas?), but on its way.
we'll see if we get intel scares one a month or so until we get tired of them and start disregarding them; then...bango.
that's my fear.

I understand your premise, and history has proven over and over again to repeat itself. However today, the new enemy Radical Islamic Fanatical
Terrorists have morphed into an enemy that will attack again. Yes, we may have deterred them, deferred them, but they will be back again.

You are quite right, they are not dumb, they learn, and are smart enough to find ways to kill the innocent people they hate so much. Time, patience
lives well with them. They will attack when they believe they can make the most of it, and put fear into the hearts of the people they hate. Will it
be tomorrow, next week, or in 3 months, it will come, they will try again and again....but in the meantime, we need to do everything we can, use every
asset and perhaps not wait, but go on the offensive to continue to fracture these splintered elements of the radical offsprings of Al Qaeda. I for
one have no problem with continued Drone attacks based on 'actionable' intelligence, the more the better....keep them running right back into the
ancient caves they crawled out of.

The leader of al Qaeda's Yemen-based wing, Nasser al-Wuhayshi, said he would free jailed Islamist militants soon, days after the United States
shut missions across the Middle East because of the threat of an attack, possibly from Yemen.

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