In the section "From modern Orthodox theologians," it appears that the quotation from Vladimir Lossky was used (without citation, unfortunately) in an [http://www.netacc.net/~mafg/mary03.htm article] by the Lutheran pastor Rev Charles Dickson. [[User:Magda|magda]] 15:52, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

In the section "From modern Orthodox theologians," it appears that the quotation from Vladimir Lossky was used (without citation, unfortunately) in an [http://www.netacc.net/~mafg/mary03.htm article] by the Lutheran pastor Rev Charles Dickson. [[User:Magda|magda]] 15:52, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

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Also, it's difficult to get "an answer" from this article if someone is looking for "What the Orthodox believe about the Immaculate Conception." It might be helpful to use a quotation from the [http://www.philthompson.net/pages/faq/12.html Phil Thompson] article:

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"[O]riginal sin in the Orthodox understanding is not a 'stain' but an absence. And there is no need to figure out how Christ failed to inherit it along with His human nature from His mother, because the Incarnation itself is the end of the separation." [[User:Magda|magda]] 15:57, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

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::Hi Magda. Yep, that quote was taken right from there, that's why it doesn't have a proper citation. I think it'd be great to use that quotation on the page, properly cited. Thanks! [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

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I found a different relevant quotation from Vladimir Lossky in this [http://www.udayton.edu/mary/resources/kimmac.html article]; unfortunately, footnotes 1-19 do not have corresponding notes at the end of the article. I have written an email to the address listed on the home page of that site, but no respose yet. --[[User:Magda|magda]] 13:01, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

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==Quote==

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On another note: the end of the quotation from St. Symeon doesn't make sense to me: "However the rest of humanity, even though they are His brothers and kin according to the flesh, yet remained even as they were, of dust, and did not immediately become '''hold''' and sons of God." I cannot find any text online to verify the quotation; I believe it was added by FrJohn, so perhaps he/you could check and/or explain it? --[[User:Magda|magda]] 13:01, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

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: I have the book and checked the quote (p. 168). It's '''holy''', not '''hold'''. Fixed! --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 13:47, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

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::Well, you know, God ''holds'' them in the palm of his hand ;-). [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

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==Deletion?==

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I don't think there should be an article on the Immaculate Conception. I do think there should be an article on the Conception of the Theotokos, and it would be appropriate to have a section of that article that distinguishes between the Orthodox feast and the Roman dogma. [[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]]

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:IMHO, I don't think they're necessarily contradictory. An article on the conception would be positive ([[Nativity of the Theotokos|and exists]], although I think it needs enlarging by someone with more theological knowledge than myself); but I don't think this article should be deleted, as it satisfies the requirements for articles about non-Orthodox things (ie compares it with Orthodox teaching, etc). --{{User:Pistevo/sig}} 13:13, January 12, 2006 (CST)

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In the section "From modern Orthodox theologians," it appears that the quotation from Vladimir Lossky was used (without citation, unfortunately) in an article by the Lutheran pastor Rev Charles Dickson. magda 15:52, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

Also, it's difficult to get "an answer" from this article if someone is looking for "What the Orthodox believe about the Immaculate Conception." It might be helpful to use a quotation from the Phil Thompson article:
"[O]riginal sin in the Orthodox understanding is not a 'stain' but an absence. And there is no need to figure out how Christ failed to inherit it along with His human nature from His mother, because the Incarnation itself is the end of the separation." magda 15:57, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

Hi Magda. Yep, that quote was taken right from there, that's why it doesn't have a proper citation. I think it'd be great to use that quotation on the page, properly cited. Thanks! Fr. John

I found a different relevant quotation from Vladimir Lossky in this article; unfortunately, footnotes 1-19 do not have corresponding notes at the end of the article. I have written an email to the address listed on the home page of that site, but no respose yet. --magda 13:01, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

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On another note: the end of the quotation from St. Symeon doesn't make sense to me: "However the rest of humanity, even though they are His brothers and kin according to the flesh, yet remained even as they were, of dust, and did not immediately become hold and sons of God." I cannot find any text online to verify the quotation; I believe it was added by FrJohn, so perhaps he/you could check and/or explain it? --magda 13:01, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

I have the book and checked the quote (p. 168). It's holy, not hold. Fixed! --Rdr. Andrew 13:47, 9 Feb 2005 (CST)

Deletion?

I don't think there should be an article on the Immaculate Conception. I do think there should be an article on the Conception of the Theotokos, and it would be appropriate to have a section of that article that distinguishes between the Orthodox feast and the Roman dogma. Fr Lev

IMHO, I don't think they're necessarily contradictory. An article on the conception would be positive (and exists, although I think it needs enlarging by someone with more theological knowledge than myself); but I don't think this article should be deleted, as it satisfies the requirements for articles about non-Orthodox things (ie compares it with Orthodox teaching, etc). --— by Pιsτévοtalkcomplaints at 13:13, January 12, 2006 (CST)