Arizona state Senator Sylvia Allen (R) voices support for opening up uranium mining in the state. Sen Allen responds to statements by environmentalists by assuring them that the "Earth is 6,000 years old..." Twice. Video in comments.

You're ALL wrong, the Earth is 10 million years old and it was constructed by the Magratheans to the specifications of a 7.5 million year old super-computer and paid for by mice (who were actually hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings) FOR ONE REASON ONLY: and that is to act as a living super-computer and calculate the ultimate question to life, the universe, and everything, to which the answer is 42. This is undeniable. It is not theory, It is not fiction, it is not even fact; it is truth. Now you know.

You're ALL wrong, the Earth is 10 million years old and it was constructed by the Magratheans to the specifications of a 7.5 million year old super-computer and paid for by mice (who were actually hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings) FOR ONE REASON ONLY: and that is to act as a living super-computer and calculate the ultimate question to life, the universe, and everything, to which the answer is 42. This is undeniable. It is not theory, It is not fiction, it is not even fact; it is truth. Now you know.

^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

[quote user="mrbig4545"]^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

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What they want is to own you, big. It's probably to do with the $18 a day TAN makes you, Scrooge McDuck

mrbig4545 wrote:

^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

What they want is to own you, big. It's probably to do with the $18 a day TAN makes you, Scrooge McDuck

[quote user="mrbig4545"]^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

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Completely irrelevant to the point. You should be able to live where ever you please, but if you want a say in how things are run, you should have to prove that you have the ability to reason and to do whats best for the majority. Hence the testing...

mrbig4545 wrote:

^ quiet yank, you think you're irish, so does that make you a citizen, or a resident? and why should i have to swear an oath to somebody just to live in a place, fuck them, they don't know me, and they don't rule me.

Completely irrelevant to the point. You should be able to live where ever you please, but if you want a say in how things are run, you should have to prove that you have the ability to reason and to do whats best for the majority. Hence the testing...

How very generous of you. And who decides who can become citizens? You? Based on what you deem deserving? Yeah, I can see no problems with that. First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens. Should we just start sterilising people who you don't deem worthy? Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that.

How very generous of you. And who decides who can become citizens? You? Based on what you deem deserving? Yeah, I can see no problems with that. First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens. Should we just start sterilising people who you don't deem worthy? Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that.

This isn't some diatribe about eugenics, but at the same time I don't think we should let just anyone become a citizen. Resident is one thing. Citizen is another. [/quote]

I believe what you are advocating sail is classical democracy. I would agree that classical democracy would make a much more intelligent choice, but it is simply not viable due to the extent of the large population of countries in this day and age.

sailirish7 wrote:

mrbig4545 wrote:

You missed the point.

This isn't some diatribe about eugenics, but at the same time I don't think we should let just anyone become a citizen. Resident is one thing. Citizen is another.

I believe what you are advocating sail is classical democracy. I would agree that classical democracy would make a much more intelligent choice, but it is simply not viable due to the extent of the large population of countries in this day and age.

[quote user="Scobiewan"]How very generous of you. And who decides who can become citizens? You? Based on what you deem deserving? Yeah, I can see no problems with that. First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens. Should we just start sterilising people who you don't deem worthy? Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that.

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The country is full enough now. I see know problem instituting screening to protect our current citizens.

Scobiewan wrote:

How very generous of you. And who decides who can become citizens? You? Based on what you deem deserving? Yeah, I can see no problems with that. First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens. Should we just start sterilising people who you don't deem worthy? Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that.

The country is full enough now. I see know problem instituting screening to protect our current citizens.

[quote user="VaMpIrEF00D"] [quote user=sailirish7] This isn't some diatribe about eugenics, but at the same time I don't think we should let just anyone become a citizen. Resident is one thing. Citizen is another.[/quote]

I believe what you are advocating sail is classical democracy. I would agree that classical democracy would make a much more intelligent choice, but it is simply not viable due to the extent of the large population of countries in this day and age.

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I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

VaMpIrEF00D wrote:

sailirish7 wrote:

This isn't some diatribe about eugenics, but at the same time I don't think we should let just anyone become a citizen. Resident is one thing. Citizen is another.

I believe what you are advocating sail is classical democracy. I would agree that classical democracy would make a much more intelligent choice, but it is simply not viable due to the extent of the large population of countries in this day and age.

I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

Do you have a skill? Are you sick? Do you have a criminal record? I mean you have to exercise some basic common sense.

"First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens."

The Irish, got no "help"....The Germans got no "help".....The Italians got no "help"....Even if there were help the majority would flat out not have excepted it. You also have to remember that some folks that came to Ellis Island were put right back on a boat back because they were sick or criminal......

"Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that."

Every immigrant group goes through being on the bottom of the totem. Every single one of them, because they are doing the jobs the immigrant group before them won't do. Come on Scobie......what about the Eastern Europeans and Russians in Ireland? Are those not the jobs they are doing while Irishman are working Tech jobs? What do you want? Go to a country and you get a car, house, high paying job?

@Scobie

"And who decides who can become citizens?"

Immigration

"Based on what you deem deserving?"

Do you have a skill? Are you sick? Do you have a criminal record? I mean you have to exercise some basic common sense.

"First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens."

The Irish, got no "help"....The Germans got no "help".....The Italians got no "help"....Even if there were help the majority would flat out not have excepted it. You also have to remember that some folks that came to Ellis Island were put right back on a boat back because they were sick or criminal......

"Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that."

Every immigrant group goes through being on the bottom of the totem. Every single one of them, because they are doing the jobs the immigrant group before them won't do. Come on Scobie......what about the Eastern Europeans and Russians in Ireland? Are those not the jobs they are doing while Irishman are working Tech jobs? What do you want? Go to a country and you get a car, house, high paying job?

Do you have a skill? Are you sick? Do you have a criminal record? I mean you have to exercise some basic common sense.

"First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens."

The Irish, got no "help"....The Germans got no "help".....The Italians got no "help"....Even if there were help the majority would flat out not have excepted it. You also have to remember that some folks that came to Ellis Island were put right back on a boat back because they were sick or criminal......

"Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that."

Every immigrant group goes through being on the bottom of the totem. Every single one of them, because they are doing the jobs the immigrant group before them won't do. Come on Scobie......what about the Eastern Europeans and Russians in Ireland? Are those not the jobs they are doing while Irishman are working Tech jobs? What do you want? Go to a country and you get a car, house, high paying job?

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No, shanus, you haven't read what he's suggesting, so I'm not reading your post. Good day.

ShanusMaximus wrote:

@Scobie

"And who decides who can become citizens?"

Immigration

"Based on what you deem deserving?"

Do you have a skill? Are you sick? Do you have a criminal record? I mean you have to exercise some basic common sense.

"First off, it's usually the minorities that need help, like those Irish ancestors you pretend you have, who would never have become citizens."

The Irish, got no "help"....The Germans got no "help".....The Italians got no "help"....Even if there were help the majority would flat out not have excepted it. You also have to remember that some folks that came to Ellis Island were put right back on a boat back because they were sick or criminal......

"Or will they be the under-class, residents but not citizens, those that clean the toilets and pick up your shit? Slavery does indeed get shit done, I'll give you that."

Every immigrant group goes through being on the bottom of the totem. Every single one of them, because they are doing the jobs the immigrant group before them won't do. Come on Scobie......what about the Eastern Europeans and Russians in Ireland? Are those not the jobs they are doing while Irishman are working Tech jobs? What do you want? Go to a country and you get a car, house, high paying job?

No, shanus, you haven't read what he's suggesting, so I'm not reading your post. Good day.

I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

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I don't agree with the 'breed' option, but taking tests to vote is classical democracy. It means that people can only vote that are involved in the political system and understand it. That is something I think should be a given anywhere.

Scobiewan wrote:

VaMpIrEF00D wrote:

I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

I don't agree with the 'breed' option, but taking tests to vote is classical democracy. It means that people can only vote that are involved in the political system and understand it. That is something I think should be a given anywhere.

IF at any point you introduce laws like that, your taking away freedom of people..........you might think that well hey, were just making it so hillbillies in the lower eastern US states can't breed more idiots......your quite wrong, its labeled in a particular fashion to make it easy to swallow at first to set a law.........once that law is set, and you endorse it, it makes it so that those laws apply to you aswell, your making it easy for them by buying into their rhetoric..........don't be so motherfucking daft and learn to fight for your rights, they aren't there to take for granted.......................

IF at any point you introduce laws like that, your taking away freedom of people..........you might think that well hey, were just making it so hillbillies in the lower eastern US states can't breed more idiots......your quite wrong, its labeled in a particular fashion to make it easy to swallow at first to set a law.........once that law is set, and you endorse it, it makes it so that those laws apply to you aswell, your making it easy for them by buying into their rhetoric..........don't be so motherfucking daft and learn to fight for your rights, they aren't there to take for granted.......................

[quote user="Scobiewan"]^Want to give an example of this classical democracy, vamps?

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Classical democracy was back in ancient greece where you had a tiered system. If you were top of the system, effectively prime minister, you only served for one day, but you were built upon a large senate type system. All the members were immersed in the political environment, if you weren't you weren't allowed to vote. It basically works towards a completely cohesive government, i'm sure it's on wiki somewhere, it maybe called Athenian democracy i'm not sure.

Scobiewan wrote:

^Want to give an example of this classical democracy, vamps?

Classical democracy was back in ancient greece where you had a tiered system. If you were top of the system, effectively prime minister, you only served for one day, but you were built upon a large senate type system. All the members were immersed in the political environment, if you weren't you weren't allowed to vote. It basically works towards a completely cohesive government, i'm sure it's on wiki somewhere, it maybe called Athenian democracy i'm not sure.

I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

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Equality is a myth. The sooner you realize this the better. All people ARE NOT created equal, now this doesn't mean that those individuals are any less desired than anyone else, but that everyone is born into different circumstances. Some have more opportunities than others. The role of those in power should be to make the struggle easier on those who are not so well off.

My remarks about Citizenship were not ment to demonize any individual race and nationality, but people as a whole. Frankly, not everyone is bright enough to run the show, or in this case help run the show (myself included, but I'm working on that). I'm not saying we should deny entry to anyone to come to the states, or any other country for that matter. My point is simply that not all people are mentally equipped to make good decisions when it comes to these issues and therefore should not be allowed to make those decisions. However if the test is reasonable and is passed there should be no reason to limit their involement in any part of government.

What do you people think would be on this test? It would be questions designed to make sure they can choose the option that does the most good for the largest number of people and to make sure they understand how the system works. I don't undertstand what's so evil about that.

*EDIT* The breeding option was an exageration btw, No government on earth has any right to interfere with your reproduction rights

Scobiewan wrote:

VaMpIrEF00D wrote:

I believe what he's advocating is slavery, the intelligent choice when you're a citizen. Hell, they already grant citizenship to foreigners that fight in their army, they're almost there. Why don't we just go one step further, and give citizen rights to less people. When will people learn that what's best for the majority isn't always what's best for the country? I would have thought equality was best, but I'm not a fuckin nazi, so...

Equality is a myth. The sooner you realize this the better. All people ARE NOT created equal, now this doesn't mean that those individuals are any less desired than anyone else, but that everyone is born into different circumstances. Some have more opportunities than others. The role of those in power should be to make the struggle easier on those who are not so well off.

My remarks about Citizenship were not ment to demonize any individual race and nationality, but people as a whole. Frankly, not everyone is bright enough to run the show, or in this case help run the show (myself included, but I'm working on that). I'm not saying we should deny entry to anyone to come to the states, or any other country for that matter. My point is simply that not all people are mentally equipped to make good decisions when it comes to these issues and therefore should not be allowed to make those decisions. However if the test is reasonable and is passed there should be no reason to limit their involement in any part of government.

What do you people think would be on this test? It would be questions designed to make sure they can choose the option that does the most good for the largest number of people and to make sure they understand how the system works. I don't undertstand what's so evil about that.

*EDIT* The breeding option was an exageration btw, No government on earth has any right to interfere with your reproduction rights