"None of my children are vaccinated. Do you think the state has a right to pry my kids from my arms, screaming and crying, and force a needle into their little arms? Somebody would die if they tried that."

I have never accused someone of being a drama queen, but...dayummmm.

I assume you live outside the norm, shunning contact with the outside world.

A direct quote from the CDC website...."....all 50 states require certain vaccinations for children entering public school."

You can contraqst that with Mitch Daniels fiscal record, which is better than Perrys.

Okay, let's do that. Mitch Daniels took office in 2005. In 2004, the last year before Daniels took office, Indiana had the 6th lowest per capita spending, and the 8th lowest spending to GDP ratio. That same year, Texas had the 4th lowest per capita spending and the 4th lowest spending to GDP ratio.

In 2010, Indiana had gone from the 6th lowest to the 10th lowest in per capita spending, and had gone from 8th lowest to 17th lowest in spending to GDP ratio. During the same time Texas remained at 4th lowest in both per capita spending and spending to GDP ratio. So while Texas spending remained fairly constant on a per capita and proportional basis, Indiana was spending a lot more per person and as a percentage of GDP.

Indiana also went from the 24th highest debt to GDP ratio to the 17th highest, and from the 26th highest to the 19th highest in per capita state debt during Daniel's administration. During that period, Texas went from 3rd lowest to 2nd lowest in both categories of debt.

So it appears that state debt and spending went up in Indiana under Daniels, while it went down or remained constant in Texas under Perry.

“all 50 states require certain vaccinations for children entering public school.”
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Which is another reason why so many millions homeschool. These politicians are sick individuals: They claim shots are needed only for “optional” public schools but then try to say all children must attend those “optional” public schools.

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posted on 08/16/2011 1:21:41 PM PDT
by CodeToad
(Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)

The legislature mandated vaccines. I have fought mandated vaccines at Texas Medical Association meetings and in Austin. I definitely fought the opt out and then the yearly opt out.

The blog talks about the legislature’s requirement in 2005 that the health dept require a new form with a “secure seal.” Every year. The Dept was making it very hard to obtain that form. The Governor made it easier.

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posted on 08/16/2011 2:30:42 PM PDT
by hocndoc
(http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))

I don’t want to be sidelined into a discussion of Daniels and Perry. Nevertheless, Daniels has done more to manage the fiscal situation responsibility in Indiana than Perry has in Texas. Again, if you really knew the inside game here you would see that Perry and the worthless Rs in Austin closed our roughly $17 billion budget gap by deferring payments into the next fiscal period, which is a move exactly out of the Arnold, Brown, and Davis playbook in CA. And the reason for the dishonest accounting tricks was exactly the same - no one wants to anger powerful taxeating constituencies.

Perry talks a hardcore conservative game, but the reality is something else. Other Texans will tell you the same thing. He is certainly conservative enough to be unelectable to statewide office in CA, but that doesn’t make him a hardcore conservative. We could do a lot worse than Perry, but there is no point in buying into an illusion.

You have overlooked one particularly delightful thing about our governor: “moderate” Rs (especially Eastern “country club” Rs) and liberals hate him - not so much because of his policies, but because in terms of background and culture he is everything that they loathe. I remember the look on Dan Rather’s face when he had to announce that Reagan had won. I would love to see Matthews’ face if he has to announce that Perry has won (if it were Bachmann, Matthews wouldn’t make it on camera because he would have had a stroke and would be frothing at the mouth while writhing on the floor.)

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posted on 08/16/2011 2:35:22 PM PDT
by achilles2000
("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")

Here the NYT notes that Daniels held the growth in spending below the rate of inflation, something that Perry did not accomplish: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/business/economy/05leonhardt.html

Here is the site where you can go and actually look up the growth in spending for all of the states, and not rely on the New York Times: US Government Spending.

Nevertheless, Daniels has done more to manage the fiscal situation responsibility in Indiana than Perry has in Texas.

I'm sorry, but the numbers don't bear that out.

Again, if you really knew the inside game here you would see that Perry and the worthless Rs in Austin closed our roughly $17 billion budget gap by deferring payments into the next fiscal period, which is a move exactly out of the Arnold, Brown, and Davis playbook in CA.

Perhaps you might consider that the reason for that was because state revenues went from $85.5 billion in 2008 down to $45.6 Billion in 2009 - an almost 50% drop in one year. It wasn't caused by massive overspending by the state or fiscal irresponsibility - it was caused by a loss of revenue. That left a big hole in the budget. However, the next year, revenues started to increase again, to $62.5 Billion. Now, do you think they should have massively increased taxes in order to cover a short-term hole in the budget? Or was it better to cover the hole with cuts and budget transfers for one cycle? Which is the more "conservative" solution? Higher taxes or budget cuts?

By the way, don't even think of comparing Texas to California on budget hijinks. What happened this year was a one-time deal in Texas - California has been using smoke and mirrors to balance the budget for at least 10 years.

The Times is right on this one, and your revenue numbers are wrong. It appears that you are confusing numbers from specific sources with the total revenue. You can find 2008 and 2009 (and more) here: http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxbud/revenue_hist.html If you look carefully you will see that total revenue for 2009 was about $84 billion, while 2008 was about $87 billion.

The reason for the budget shortfall was a combination of a very moderate fall off in revenues and a refusal to do much to thwart the taxeaters’ demands on the spending side. You are right that the current deceitful budget that Perry signed is something that isn’t all that common in the history of Texas budgeting, but I didn’t say that it was. Rather, my point was that this massive CA-style budget fraud was signed-off on by Perry. In his defense one could argue that it is more a reflection on the Rs in the legislature, but Perry certainly didn’t make it an issue, and he should have.

Part of what you are not taking into account is that Perry has presided over a state that generally has not engaged in as many fiscal follies as other states. Perry isn’t responsible for that. Moreover, although Perry for most of his tenure has not been a wild spender, this last budget will become an issue in his campaign because it is grossly irresponsible.

Daniels, on the other hand, inherited significant economic problems. In response, he has fired government workers, held spending below the rate of inflation, etc. Perry hasn’t done anything like that. In fact, Perry has been adding large numbers of government workers, as was pointed out in the candidate debates in Perry’s re-election.

Just comparing a few numbers for the two states doesn’t get to the point, however. The issue is, what has the governor done with the hand he was dealt? Perry got a relatively good hand and, until this year, didn’t worsen it. Daniels got a bad hand, but has markedly improved it.

Perry is not the stout conservative that you think he is, but he is also not the RINO that others are irresponsibly calling him. Having said that, he is probably about the best we can do under the circumstances.

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posted on 08/16/2011 5:19:43 PM PDT
by achilles2000
("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")

Considering the discrepancy in the amount of the shortfall, I will accept your source as correct on that. However, that does not change the data on the total increase in per capita spending over the 10 years or the figures on the debt. We will have to agree to disagree on whether or not Perry is a “strong conservative” based on that data, and disagree on whether Mitch Daniels or Perry has the better fiscal record. Obviously, I think my argument on those points are better supported by the data, but just as obviously, you disagree, and I don’t think we are going to persuade one another.

I posted this in another thread about Perry and immigration. I think it should go here too since it covers other ground.

I keep hearing this he'll "do nothing" but I can plainly see he's already done plenty on the border and immigration. Here's some of what I found:

The "big sin" he's associated with is a Texas dream law from 10 years ago which passed with veto proof majorities. It was tightened unanimously by the legislature in 2005. A repeal bill never even made it out of committee this term. Here's an FR thread explaining the Texas dream law.

In A December 2006 editorial, Gov. Perry wrote: "I would rather know who is crossing our border legally to work instead of not knowing who is crossing our border illegally to work. A guest worker program that provides foreign workers with an ID removes the incentive for millions of people to illegally enter our country. It also adds those workers to our tax base, generates revenue for needed social services and it can be done without providing citizenship." and "Along with millions of Americans, I think it is wrong to reward those who broke our laws with citizenship ahead of those who have followed the law and are waiting to enter this country legally. And like millions of Americans I do not support amnesty." (Emphasis mine.)

He’s been in office for 10 years. There is no reason for me to believe that he will change.

There is evidence that the Governor follows through:
Choose Life license plate
Parental notification, tightened up the regs and statutory requirements,
Women’s Right to Know, beefed up this year, requiring the abortionist to personally handle the informed consent, 24 hours before the abortion.
Defunding Planned Parenthood and forcing Travis County Health to stop paying for elective abortions with County or City taxes.
Voter ID
Eminent Debate

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posted on 08/16/2011 9:20:41 PM PDT
by hocndoc
(http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))

You said he’d change and now, you make the statement that he’s a RINO or become worse. (after ignoring our new voter ID, new ultrasound bill, new requirement that abortionists personally meet with women to inform them of the age and stage of the child 24 hours before the abortion, the new eminent domain law, and all of the rest of the accomplishments listed on this thread.)

Can you give an example of when the Governor moved from the right to the left? From his record. when he changes his mind, he moves farther right.

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posted on 08/16/2011 9:52:41 PM PDT
by hocndoc
(http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))

That new eminent domain law won’t last if we get the Corridor. I didn’t ignore them. We are immigration friendly. Do you honestly believe that Voter ID will not be ignored? He either wants votes or cover his rear end.

Move right to left? He’s been doing the Charles During shuffle in Best Little Whorehouse in TX for years.

Of course, we all know Charles Durning portrayed our elusive Gov. Dolph Briscoe. He was to busy buying up land to be Gov of TX.

I don’t dislike Gov Perry. I just feel he is selling a bill of goods. It’s like Gov Christie. He is doing all these :”good things”; yet he is pushing the very things that are the cause of our mess. It’s talking out of both sides of your mouth. If Perry was not for immigration; I would take a second look.

It just doesn’t make sense I fear if he is elected; he will give TX the Corridor and there goes eminent domain and Voter ID will be worthless since he is pushing immigration the very thing Voter ID is suppose to cure. I have no idea why he is pushing immigration.

if Perry's elected; he will give TX the Corridor The Texas Corridor goes hand in glove with the globalist move to accomplish this Trade Block......so there will be routes running thru Mexico into the US all the way to Canada. All states in it's path will be affected.

Concerning, in reference to that Corridor, is we know Iran has 'Hezbollah operating in Mexico'...who come in thru S. American Nations..(Chavez etc.) ... Iran's leader Abin-jad has visited various south American countries more than any US Pres. He has a foothold there now and certainly Chavez is giving him full cooperation. Argentina and Bolivia as well. This is soooo dangerous for our country.

American prisons are now holding gang members who bare the "Farsi" tattoo's etc. of M.E. which have come over our borders. These are Iran's recruited goons.

Really peeves me off that people can ONLY see the Mexican illegals as a problem in "open borders" when there's a real and very serious threat.... "under our bed"..... for more sinister...who are already crossing into our country.

Yes indeed. It’s a great political move, especially after having Zerocare crammed down our throats, et al. We do, however, need to elect aTea Party Congress in order to keep a prospective President Perry on the straight-and-narrow. Don’t forget that although Perry is a good man, he’s still a politician. Rhinoish tendencies will kick in from time to time. We must elect a Tea Party Congress if we are going to support Perry.

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posted on 08/17/2011 9:09:09 PM PDT
by ishmac
(Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")

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