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Good organizations look everywhere for talent, it would be a no risk move to look at a talented player who never panned out. We've seen it a million times w/ QBs through the decades.

That is such a broad and general statement. The jest are specifically looking at one of the biggest draft busts in modern day nfl. No matter how great of idea you think this is, they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't in desperate need of qb depth with as cheap of compensation as possible (because they know they have cap issues).

what would be the negatives in checking out a former #1 overall pick? please explain? let's say we sign him, do you think he'd get anything more than the minimum w/ no guaranteed money? would it hurt our cap? would there be any risk? We have more access to info than ever before yet people still don't understand how this game works.

Since the Jets know how to win and never make mistakes while being the most elite team in the history of sports, you're right. What's the big deal?

Oh I don't know.....could it be a sign the QB position is in shambles? Nooooo never. Sanchez has the position on lock down for the next 15 years.

the only difference is that all of those guys you named at one time were proven players at their positions, they all had off the field issues, but proved they could play. at no time in russells nfl career was he considered a good qb. you seem to think the jest are fine with sanchez (which i hope they believe). taking a flyer on a disaster like russel, just shows they are reaching.

First off Tim tebow is not why we sucked this year. The move didn't work out but it didn't sabotage our season.

2nd, Tebow cost draft picks and a decent amount of money. IF any team signs Russell it will be for the minimum w/ absolutely no risk, if he sucks or has a bad attitude he's cut w/ no cap ramifications.

Originally Posted by jared81

That is such a broad and general statement. The jest are specifically looking at one of the biggest draft busts in modern day nfl. No matter how great of idea you think this is, they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't in desperate need of qb depth with as cheap of compensation as possible (because they know they have cap issues).

Actually they aren't, they had DISCUSSIONS about him and I'm sure a million other players.

It's crazy thinking to possibly sign a QB w/ physical ability for the minimum and hope he plays up to his potential w/ absolutely no risk. Pretend any other team was mentioned and it would be a good move.

Originally Posted by PhinzN703

Since the Jets know how to win and never make mistakes while being the most elite team in the history of sports, you're right. What's the big deal?

Oh I don't know.....could it be a sign the QB position is in shambles? Nooooo never. Sanchez has the position on lock down for the next 15 years.

Your posting is realyl going downhill, you are turning into one of them who never reads posts.

Can one of you geniuses give me one reason it would be a bad move for ANY team to sign Russell to a minimum deal?

Originally Posted by PhinzN703

Precisely. Yet he doesn't respond to your comments.

I didn't respond? check post 36. Do you need examples? I would think knowledgable football fans like you would know these off the top of your head.

A Doug flutie in Buf in '98, Jim Plunkett, Tommy maddox led Pitt to the playoffs one year, Rich gannon, Stan Humphries, Michael Vick in Philly, Chris Chandler, Wash won a SB w/ a washed up Doug Williams, Steve Beurlein, Jeff Garcia, ... The league is littered w/ QBs being given 2nd/3rd chances and succeeding. perhaps the greatest QB of all time was given a 2nd chance- Johnny Unitas.

But keep pushing your new agenda to bash me b/c you look silly when trying to debate me. join the vaark crew!

Actually they aren't, they had DISCUSSIONS about him and I'm sure a million other players.

It's crazy thinking to possibly sign a QB w/ physical ability for the minimum and hope he plays up to his potential w/ absolutely no risk. Pretend any other team was mentioned and it would be a good move.

uh no....I think the majority of dolphins fans laughed at us bringing in Jamarcus Russell a couple of years ago. It showed how dire our qb situation was at the time. The national media was all over us about it to.

Not sure how someone who understands the game would interpret that in anyway other than negative.

Unless you hate the Jets. Then it's a positive that he becomes your starter.

Just for once admit that your team is doing something stupid.

Say it out loud. "JaMarcus Russell. Been out of the league since 2009. Career QB rating of 65. 300lbs. Grape drank."

I'm disappointed in you cane, someone like you should understand there's absolutely no risk to bringing Russell in on a minimum deal.

Nowhere did I say it would work out, I have said numerous times the chances are he will never succeed but ther's no downside for ANY team to take a look and even bring him in for the minimum. If he sucks or has a bad attitude he's gone w/ no cap ramifications, if for some reason he works hard and plays up tp his talent a team gets a cheap QB.

You are better than this.

Originally Posted by jared81

uh no....I think the majority of dolphins fans laughed at us bringing in Jamarcus Russell a couple of years ago. It showed how dire our qb situation was at the time. The national media was all over us about it to.

But keep thinking this is just a conspiracy theory against the jest because everyone else in the world is jealous.

Who cares if fellow Jet fans don't like it? they see the game the way the average fan sees it like most do. There is absolutely no risk to exploring a move like this.

This is a move where if we make it then it's the circus continues, if NE makes it then it's a great move.

For any team there is nothing invested, it makes sense for any team to give him a look and hope you strike gold. The chances are remote but there's no risk invovled at all.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense which many average fans lack. You think Bills fans were going nuts for Flutie in '98? he saved their season and led them to the playoffs when they started 0-4. They thought he'd be a sideshow and nothing more. The history of the league is littered w/ examples like that. jim Plunkett was a major disappointment as a #1 overall pick, he was given a 2nd chance in oak and won 2 SBs. Do you think raider fans were jumping for joy when they signed him? For my team no one expected anything out of Vinny Testaverde in '98 and he wound up having the best season for a QB in franchise history leading us to the most wins in franchise history. Don't worry about what other fans think, think for yourself.

The problem with the jest specifically kicking the tires on anyone which usually boils down to the tire kickers being The Tootsie Perv or the attention-whoring owner is that, as a case in point, for them those tires feel delusionally A-OK...as evidenced by Tebow and The Meatball (who despite never being an OC, Rex enthusiastically described more or less as his doppelganger). Yes, Russell could turn out to be Lazarus rising from the ashes, but when in the recent past, even his mentor, John Lucas, washed his hands of him as being hopeless, and his coming in thinking he can try a comeback 50-60lbs overweight, perhaps the jest would be better served kicking the tires of someone like David Carr, Chad Henne or Tavaris Jackson.

Who cares if fellow Jet fans don't like it? they see the game the way the average fan sees it like most do. There is absolutely no risk to exploring a move like this.

This is a move where if we make it then it's the circus continues, if NE makes it then it's a great move.

For any team there is nothing invested, it makes sense for any team to give him a look and hope you strike gold. The chances are remote but there's no risk invovled at all.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense which many average fans lack. You think Bills fans were going nuts for Flutie in '98? he saved their season and led them to the playoffs when they started 0-4. They thought he'd be a sideshow and nothing more. The history of the league is littered w/ examples like that. jim Plunkett was a major disappointment as a #1 overall pick, he was given a 2nd chance in oak and won 2 SBs. Do you think raider fans were jumping for joy when they signed him? For my team no one expected anything out of Vinny Testaverde in '98 and he wound up having the best season for a QB in franchise history leading us to the most wins in franchise history. Don't worry about what other fans think, think for yourself.

Thats because new england has a history of taking washed up players and making them successful, we dont have that history and neither do you. the fact is, your organization took all of your street cred you got from your playoff run and through it down the toilet when they gave santonio and sanchez stupid contracts., trading for tebow, signing plaxico, etc. doug flutie and vinnie were never addicted to codine cough syrup. they never had run ins with the law and they didnt WEIGH 300 POUNDS!

Thats because new england has a history of taking washed up players and making them successful, we dont have that history and neither do you. the fact is, your organization took all of your street cred you got from your playoff run and through it down the toilet when they gave santonio and sanchez stupid contracts., trading for tebow, signing plaxico, etc. doug flutie and vinnie were never addicted to codine cough syrup. they never had run ins with the law and they didnt WEIGH 300 POUNDS!

Again in 1998 we took a "washed up" Vinny testaverde, someone no one wanted when we signed him in June of that year and he became our starter for years. Ty law was washed up in 2005, he had 10 picks for us(though he wasn't nearly as good as those #s), LT was washed up going into 2010 then played well for us so we do have a track record of supposedly washed up players working out for us. NE tried it w/ 2 guys in 2011 and neither worked out.

Again, I am NOT saying he will have success. The odds are stacked way against him, my point is it is a no risk move. We wouldn't be counting on him, we wouldn't be paying him a ton, it wouldn't hurt our cap. It would be no risk, either he works harder than he ever has and makes the team or we cut him. It's simple.