Kaz Spence comes clean about PMG (Polaris Global)

Lifepath, 21st Century Academy in Port melbourne and a a couple of other organizations all use the same 2 up compensation plan. and guess what I dont see you after them. no just liberty league becaeu it works!!

People make afirtune!. you cna’t stand the fact that it works. It doesnt go ot he people at the top: that shows how litte youunderstna about this business and the comp plan. i ahve asoicates who joined after me and have earned heaps more than me ( and I have earned about $200k US in a year).

If you ask most people how their Polaris Global business is going your likely to get a reply similar to Susan’s above.

That’s not to say that what Susan says is not true, but it does paint a vastly contrasting picture to that of Kaz Spence, once a Polaris Global distributor herself.

Although not the most successful, Kaz Spence is credited as being the first Australian distributor of Liberty League International (then Polaris Media Group and now Polaris Global).

Recently Spence has joined Brent Payne as part of the leadership team in his new MLM company, Avant.

Due to joining a new company Spence is wanting to distance herself from her involvement in Polaris Media Group. On a recently released Avant press release, complete with obligatory rags to riches and how I overcome my terrible adversity sob story, Spence stated;

I am here to officially let you, the reader, know I am not involved in Scientology and I have never ever been involved with Scientology.

I do not associate myself in business with Polaris Global, Polaris Global Marketing, Polaris Media Group (all name changes since August 2009!)

So why such categorically strong words in distancing herself from Polaris Global? Well it seems to have something to do with the departure of Brent Payne, Liberty League turning into Polaris Media Group and a little bit of good ol’ Scientology.

As I was passionate, and as my belief in myself grew, I went on to become one of the top income earners in the company.

However, things started to change with the business after one of the co-founders (Brent Payne) suddenly departed in early 2009.

As each month went by, things seem to get stranger and there were all kinds of rumors swirling about the remaining Founder. In August, 2009 the company I had once loved and felt proud to be a part of morphed into a new company called Polaris Media Group.

One of the rumors was that the remaining co-founder and many of the high Leadership were involved in Scientology. I respect every person for their own beliefs and who they see as their God or higher power – I did however struggle to align myself to this company whose leadership was involved in Scientology, particularly after I was able to verify this rumor to be true.

Time and time again Polaris Global have denied that Scientology has had any effect on the company or it’s products. Whilst Spence doesn’t directly mention any influence, one can only wonder that, if the Scientology element was as neutral as Polaris Global’s leadership claims, then why Spence had trouble aligning herself with the company.

Spence continues;

I made a decision on December 1st 2009 that I could not longer be associated with Polaris. I could not market a product or company I had no faith in or align myself to the direction the company was taking.

I saw many people crippled financially due to the massive changes that took place with the compensation plan and product change. I also suffered major financial losses.

From top earner to major financial losses, it’s easy to see why Spence left Polaris Global. As I mentioned earlier, Spence’s account certainly contrasts with the picture painted by Susan Shaw.

Whilst my own experience with Polaris Global has been from the sidelines as a commentator, one of the strengths of the writing has always been the testimonials and sharing of experiences of company distributors.

One common counter to this by existing Polaris Global distributors over the months has been ‘well anyone can write anything y’know’. Indicating in part that either the experiences have been made up, or in some instances that I myself have authored them to corroborate my opinions.

With testimonials from notable distributors such as Kaz Spence publicly verifying what a lot of people defend as mere speculation or rumor it does make you wonder.

Spence claims she left in December 2009 and at that time notes she was ‘suffer(ing) major financial losses‘ and saw ‘many people crippled financially‘.

Business has apparently so bad Polaris Media Group felt the need to change their company name completely to Polaris Global in an attempt to rebrand. Fast forward to May 2010 and just how bad it is now, or how much distributor debt is racking up is anyone’s guess.

To their credit Polaris Global continue to rumble along despite months of doom and gloom predictions. Presumably there’s still enough business coming in for the company to remain afloat.

With Brent Payne launching Avant, GiveOpp’s launch a few months off and the already established LifePath Unlimited all in the personal development industry and all looking to increase their marketshare, I wonder how long Polaris Global can keep it up.

38 Comments on “Kaz Spence comes clean about PMG (Polaris Global)”

Kaz Spence and her Avant statement has more to do about greed and cleaning her name
Kaz Spence coming out about PMG is completely self serving – she is trying to clean up her image for her new position in Avant. Kaz always wanted to be on the EMC in LLI/Polaris but was kept out as Michael Berry found her to be too unstable, so Avant has given her the chance she has been waiting for.

Kaz stayed in Polaris until the money dried up, until she could no longer convince her downline to part with their cash for the conferences/products, she tried her hardest on her team calls stating the compensation plan was fantastic and that she was making more than ever… when she wasn’t. Yes many people were crippled in the business even before the changeover, but she was high in the pyramid – being handed her new recruits because of the 2-up system, the failure rate nor helping were important to her, only making money for her fancy rented car and rented unit on the beach.

The company changed on 9/9/9 rumours of the Scientology connection started immediately, Kriders admission came on 25/11/09, Kaz sprouted how fantastic things were until her quit date 09/12/09. She joined TVI almost immediately and marketed her LLI downline, converting many. Her decision to change comes from money and she will manipulate with no problems.

As for her sob story, it grows with each new business as she tries to pull on the heartstrings of others. I see this year she has added child abuse victim to her repertoire, these things are not to be taken lightly and she throws them around. The near bankruptcies are an interesting touch, I think if she had actually been bankrupt it may be more effective.

She now wants to bask in the light of so called honesty, as most have moved on from Polaris and she wants to capture them.

If you join her, BE WARNED Kaz Spence is not as nice as you think she is (many have discovered this). She needs help.

Seriously people you need to get a life – especially More to Come! I am ex LLI and departed after the tragic event Super Saturday on the Gold Coast in August 2009 when Polaris was launched, I had been involved with LLI for 15 months.

This post by More to Come is obliviously an EMC member (Executive Marketing Council – ego fulled people) who has something to gain by de-framing Kaz. Note the quit date, why would someone post an exact date? unless they had access to company records – this is a joke!

I was not on Kaz Spence’s team as my advisor lived on the Sunshine Coast and I could never get a hold of them or any support from them. I always found Kaz helpful and genuine – unlike many of the Leaders especially in Rachel Olivers team who were only interested in talking to you when they could make money out of you.

I think people who are reading this need to get to know someone themselves before making judgement. Time to let go and move on.

It’s hard for me to speak ill of anyone but it’s also hard to stand by and say nothing knowing that people could go through what I went through with LLI / Polaris Global.

I don’t know if the person above is from EMC but Kaz’s quit date is well known because she sent out an email to her down line when she was leaving with that date on it. It didn’t have to come from company records.

Perhaps “More to Come” mentions the date because Kaz herself now mentions a different date and is trying to point out that she lies, I’m not sure. Perhaps Kaz has just made a mistake.

I was in this team with both Melinda Spence and Kaz Spence. They were helpful and nice as long as I was buying conference tickets. When a time came where I couldn’t, I was treated like a leper and I will never forget how awful it felt. It was like I had crossed over to the failure side and rejoined “The Herd”.

This was the manipulation.

I’m glad your experience was good James K. And yes you are right about really getting to know someone yourself before making judgment. I did this and my experience is not the same as yours.

I believe Kaz would probably always have shown respect to others not in her down line as she wouldn’t want any ill words being passed up the line to other leaders. But in all honesty when all the changes were being made, both Kaz and Melinda were saying how wonderful it was and how lucky we all were and how Shane Krider was an amazing visionary.

I know my story is not the only one, I have heard some very sad and nasty things that happened to others and I hope they come forward to express them and warn others, but most have moved on with their lives and are probably happy to never hear the name LLI or Polaris again.

I wish I could say otherwise but I honestly believe that both will do and say what is necessary to rise up the ladder and get what money they can. Kaz used the word integrity so so often and I really hope that perhaps this time she’ll take note of the real meaning of it and treat people who join her with genuine care and respect.

I would encourage anyone thinking of joining WeAreAvant or Polaris Global or others to be careful about manipulation. When things don’t go as planned you hear such comments as “people who are failing don’t have their goals clear, they don’t have real belief, they find it hard to break away from the herd mentality, they are not really entrepreneurial and probably better suited to a JOB, they are comfortable with mediocrity.” Maybe sometimes this was true, but there were others who busted their gut doing everything they were told putting their heart and soul into the business and still little result.

That’s what I did. These are all condescending comments designed to make you want to do anything so they will not think that way about you. And then you start to part with money you are not in a position to part with yet.

Yes some made big money but many many more did not. There is a statistic about the failure rate which I cannot remember but if anyone knows it perhaps they could post it here. Sure there were some people who made no effort but the failure rate did not mean that every one of those people lacked action or responsibility or “being at cause”.

It was about a system which separated those who were willing to lie about their incomes at times, fake it till they made it, from those who just couldn’t work like that.

If anything I’ve learned that companies like Polaris Global are really where the herd exists. “Do what we do. Follow the leader. Follow the proven three step system” Is this really entrepreneurial?

If you fancy yourself an entrepreneur, there are plenty of legitimate business ideas out there in the real world. You can still enjoy personal development, follow your dreams and passions and design your life, without companies like this. But they will try to convince you that this is your only chance at success.

Sorry for the long post guys but I too am now moving on and won’t be reading the blogs anymore so just felt I needed to have a final say. Thanks Oz, and good luck to all doing their research.

Ha. James K obviously the new Kaz Spence scam has hooked you. YES a small part of my life is reserved to warning people about Kaz Spence.
As I stated Kaz Spence is not as nice as you think she is (many have discovered this) and if you haven’t you will see it one day:)

You made an excellent point about being an entrepreneur. The irony is, LLI preached about being an entrepreneur, but the reality is, all it’s distributors found out who they entrepreneurs really were when Brent Payne sold his share in the company, and Shane Krider pulled the rug out from under everyone and completely changed the product line and compensation plan to pursue his own agenda.

Being an entpreneur is not buying into a “system”, but the LLI/PMG propaganda suggested you were either one of their associates, or just a corporate employee.

I’m truly fascinated to read the remarks Kaz Spence makes in her blog. Last I heard she was not resigning from Polaris as she still had some active team members and wants to maintain her distributorship to reap the benefits of the residual income that she believes she deserves and yet according to her blog she departed on the 1st of December!

Great integrity there! Simply another lie in her sad attempt to be successful.

The reality is she hadn’t made any significant income for a long time before the company changed and had been knocked back to join the EMC on several occasions. She was not respected or admired by anyone that I could tell, in fact she was a bit of a joke and certainly made little contribution to the community.

She’s a desperate, bitter and sad woman who suffers severely from depression and needs help. I pity all the new associates in Avant who will have to look to her for guidance and leadership but then from what I’ve observed they are all burnt out and broke anyway and lost sight of all the personal development they pretended to embrace. They really deserve each other.

I’d say Polaris is no doubt relieved to be rid of all those who have so unethically departed to rape and pillage the downlines as they scramble from one company to the next. No loss there.

As for the whole Scientology thing that Kaz raises – almost all of them and they were only a handful, left Polaris to form and join other companies and the only religion ever promoted to me during my involvement was Christian and even then it was only in the form of goodwill emails praising God. As an atheist I simply chose not to pass those emails on.

Really Kaz, one wonders who or what you see when you look in the mirror! Either way it’s not pretty. Good luck, you’ll need it…and some.

Further to this… I’m having such a laugh…Brent Payne was only too aware of what a liability Kaz was in LLI just as he was considered and the reason for his sudden departure (caught out as a lying, cheating, aggressive man who sees himself as some sort of sexual magnet and any woman is fair game – I wonder if that includes Kaz! He likes big girls!).

So one can only now wonder at his mental state in putting Kaz on leadership in his new company. It’s certain to be a disaster however you look at it.

so disturbing to hear tony and gene are getting closer to avant…
history is def repeating itself…
if Brent really wants avant to take off– he needs to have tighter restrictions on what dead wood are signing up

ppl like tony will have ppl running for the hills.

regardless of products & prices- any chance avant has of being successful will quickly diminish if ppl like tony jump aboard!

Lesson learned, I can totally relate to where you’re coming from. There is a lot more under the surface when it comes to Kaz and Mel Spence and I too discovered that. Am not going to go into my ‘sob story’. Am way past that and in a heaps better place now thanks to good old fashioned hard work.

LLi really taught me to be more discerning about opportunities before jumping into things and I’m grateful for that.

I love personal development and have been to two Tony Robbins events and gotten more out of them than any other event/training program etc. Personally, I believe they are worth the money, way more than what the copycat programs LLI/PMG and others peddle.

Enough said, good luck to all the people who have had to go through a similar journey. It does make you stronger and you learn from it. Sometimes we do just have to clock things up to experience and learning. That’s what life is all about.

Assumptions get people in trouble. Dave had his reasons which were very very personal. Why do people think the worst in every scenario. This place has become so doom and gloom and not an information page about certain companies.

Dave had his reasons which were very very personal. Why do people think the worst in every scenario.

Because people don’t just walk away from successful business ventures for good reasons.

As someone looking to join a business opportunity it’s only natural that I’d want to know why someone in management might suddenly leave. Having people tell me the reasons are very, very personal without being specific doesn’t inspire any confidence and the natural conclusion is that something suss is up.

Truth or not it’s what most people are going to conclude when you’re overly secretive about something as important as retention in the MLM industry.

I was wondering the same thing…..started with 7 founding members and down to 3FM!!!! They can make an excuse for 2 leaving (very personal) but now with more than half leaving, something fishy is going on with!!!!Wake up people.

Wow – every long once in a while I take a look at these silly blogs to understand how people spend their time online. I quickly observed tonight that simple minded people are willing to spend their valuable time judging, sabotaging and undermining others.

Take an inventory of your life, your relationships and your bank account and spend your time more wisely. Go DO something productive!

Every once in a long while I read silly comments left by people who seem to believe others, not themselves, have too much free time on their hand to criticize others, even though they are doing the exact same thing.

Wow!: Wow – every long once in a while I take a look at these silly blogs to understand how people spend their time online. I quickly observed tonight that simple minded people are willing to spend their valuable time judging, sabotaging and undermining others. Take an inventory of your life, your relationships and your bank account and spend your time more wisely. Go DO something productive!

Wow!

I know you won’t like for this point to be made, but don’t you find it a little hypocritical you are telling others to go and do something more productive with their time and yet you are spending your time online too?

Am not sure why you needed to be so aggressive and nasty in what you wrote. Many people spend some of their leisure time on the internet and reading blogs etc. I don’t think it’s fair you judge people for that.

When it comes to criticising business etc. you are forgetting/ignoring that many people here have had a direct experience with PGM/PMG formerly LLI (how many name changes can one company have? suss or what?) and have lost a lot.

And before you start on the ‘your fault’ crap don’t bother. That conversation has been had many times on here and Oz. There are many intelligent, educated, successful people here who got sucked into this mindless cult and have lost a lot more than just money.

And telling people to have a look at their bank accounts…seriously, what tha? What the hell kind of comment is that?

You have no idea how much people on here earn, what their business interests are and where they come from. To me, that sounds like a little bit of projection/anxiety about your own bank balance (this will hit a nerve)???

Thankfully for me, I got out of LLI long before it turned into this Scientology cult and in terms of my own success, I am very happy about where I am in life. Am grateful for the learning experience, although it was very painful at the time. It taught me a lot though and has made me stronger and smarter.

We are very fortunate in many ways, financially included, but judging people just by their bank balance sounds very PMG to me. People are worth way more than what is in their bank account. Success is not about money. Happiness is not about money.

Most of these organisations will pull you in with wonderful words of how much you will be helping yourself and helping others and the wonderful money you will make while you do this. It usually turns out that you have to become a recruiting machine to make any money and there is really very little integrity in the people involved or the so called product.

It can leave you feeling very empty and financially out of pocket. So it could be a life change experience, but possibly not the one you are looking for.

A recent member to polaris I have found no success. I soon learnt that unless you have thousands of dollars for marketing you will never get a sale. I too tried free advertising but in the end started spending money to buy leads and advertise.

I didn’t have a lot of money so the bit that I did pay for never payed off. That fact that I borrowed the $2400 from my husbands business to start my journey towards an M1 director was a decision I will forever regret!

IN the company overview they state that you do not have to purchase the product to begin but they sure as hell push it till you agree. These people brag about their so called riches yet take advantage of those with little money.

The person who got me started was ringing me everyday until I had paid and had everything set up. Then I recieved an email to say that she will no longer keep contacting me and that it was up to me to contact her if I needed anything…..so much for the ongoing support they promise.

As it is the monthly costs are not revealed till you sign up. I had to pay a $39.95 monthly subscription for a business manager that was useless to me until I made a sale and another $29.95 a month for the lead manger.

When you have to spend around $2400 for the product, two monthly subscriptions and two sales before you even start making money it is a downhill road. With all that money spent they still expect you to have money (and lots of it) to advertise in order to make any sales.

I will never be able to pay back my husbands business or the extra money spent to try to earn money. A hard lesson learnt! To top it all off it was a potential lead that stumbled across the scientology connection and that was just the icing on the cake!

I felt used and cheated to think I had joined a company linked to scientology with the possibility of money earned for the company being donated to that cult!!

I’m over polaris global and would not recommend it to anyone. I think I’ll just go back to doing an ‘honest days work’!

Alice Kendall: As it is the monthly costs are not revealed till you sign up.

I had to pay a $39.95 monthly subscription for a business manager that was useless to me until I made a sale and another $29.95 a month for the lead manger

The monthly fees are what keep Krider and his current wife going.Sorry to hear that you have been scammed Alice.

Unfortunately you are one of hundreds around the world who have fallen for the spiel.

The Polaris scam seems to have shot it’s bolt in Australia. The likes of Pauline O’Halloran and the Wheelers are still madly claiming to be making about $100k. a month but the lies are wearing very thin by now.

They are still recruiting a few people here but are now heading to THE UK and IRELAND.

Beware all you Pommies and Paddys the con artists are coming to a venue near you.

Alice Kendall:
When you have to spend around $2400 for the product, two monthly subscriptions and two sales before you even start making money it is a downhill road. With all that money spent they still expect you to have money (and lots of it) to advertise in order to make any sales.

As a business opportunity, it’s a scam. It’s a pyramid scheme with some over priced education attached to it.

You didn’t have a fair chance. Polaris Global has collapsed at least twice under its former name Liberty League International. It collapsed in the U.S., and was introduced in Australia. It collapsed in Australia in 2009, and changed its name to PGM.

After that, it has mostly passed under the radar. It attracts some participants now and then, but most of the market in the US and Australia has become immune to it.

PGM and similar opportunities are selling the DREAM of making money via a home based business, the dream where people eventually will be able to make lots of money on other people’s work.

If enough other people are willing to believe in that dream and are willing to pay YOU for selling the tools to them, you can potentially make some money. If you are the one believing in that dream and are willing to pay for the tools, people in your upline will make some money.

Note:
It isn’t about selling the “tools”, e.g. personal development or marketing tools or whatever it is. It’s about selling the DREAM, people’s OWN dreams about what they want, and THEN it can be about selling their OWN ideas about the types of tools they need.

Most people won’t have a fair chance when they join something like PGM. They are usually unexperienced, e.g. in internet marketing or something, so they join to learn something. They will follow advices from a “helpful mentor” who is trained to sell the dream and the tools, making money on the newly recruited for as long as possible.

The “helpful mentor” will sell you the tools HE or SHE can make money on, but also tools YOU can be willing to believe in. Some tools are partly meant to keep the victims occupied with work, e.g. giving the feeling that they’re doing something important in building up a business.

If people feel they are doing something important, they will be more willing to pay monthly fees or pay for additional training (or leads), so the “helpful mentor” can make more money.

In opportunities like PGM, it’s about BECOMING a “helpful mentor” like that as fast as possible. It’s not about following a mentor, that will only drain you for money.

It’s not about learning marketing methods, but you will of course need to learn how to SELL marketing methods. It’s not about learning different self development strategies, only about how to SELL them to others.

SELLING something is usually about finding the right types of people, people who already have that dream you’re selling the solutions for. They will usually find you, if you’re making yourself visible for them “where they can be expected to look for you as a solution provider”.

After that, it’s about confirming that you have what they’re looking for, solutions to their own DREAMS. In opportunities like PGM, it’s about “moving” people carefully in the right direction from the start, e.g. make them say “YES” to inexpensive or free stuff “to get them on the hook”, making many small commitments.

In opportunities like PGM, it’s partly about making the victims become dependant on the mentor (so they won’t ask other people). It’s also important to keep the victims focused on their dreams rather than on what they’re paying.

And it’s about helping people accept themselves, e.g. if they don’t sell anything. You can always tell them about others who worked hard for several months before they finally “got it”, and started to make tons of money. And it’s about helping people to blame themselves or “the evil gub’mint” (so they don’t blame you).

Carla:
Am still subscribed to this forum and am saddened to see that PMG continues to scam people.

It hasn’t been very active since the collapse in Australia in 2009 / 2010. The topics “PMG” or “LLI” have been dead most of the time.

The best strategy is actually to post factual and balanced information, e.g. about contents of the “education” and prices, or about sales methods. Try to answer SOME of the questions potential victims will be interested in when searching the internet. Show people the reality, remove some of the fog, and similar ideas.

But since it hasn’t been very active, we haven’t had much new information to add to the picture, either.

Here are some OLD information about the sales methods, from November 2005. Correct posts are #1 and #2, “G.U.M.P. Hunting – A Network Marketer’s Answer To Riches Or Road Kill?”

Boris:
The Polaris scam seems to have shot it’s bolt in Australia. The likes of Pauline O’Halloran and the Wheelers are still madly claiming to be making about $100k. a month but the lies are wearing very thin by now. They are still recruiting a few people here but are now heading to THE UK and IRELAND.

Alexa pagerank:
2,918 in Australia = main market
59,000 in the UK

Polarisglobal.com has a three-month global Alexa traffic rank of 209,393. The site has a relatively good traffic rank in the cities of Doncaster (#48) and Fitzroy (#193).

Visitors to the site spend approximately two minutes on each pageview and a total of five minutes on the site during each visit, and the fraction of visits to Polarisglobal.com referred by search engines is approximately 2%.

Relative to the overall population of internet users, the site’s audience tends to be high-income; it also appeals more to moderately educated women between the ages of 35 and 65 who browse from home and have more children.

It has extremely low visits from search engines, so it’s probably not marketed heavily on the internet. It’s trying to slip under the radar?

Main target is women 35-65 years of age.

@Alice Kendall

Can you add some information about the marketing methods they used when they recruited you? You spent money on buying leads and advertise. Advertise where?

I will add factual information like that in descriptions about the sales methods used.

There seems to be an increase in polaris distributors. I am noticing more and more advertisements on job boards, facebook, even local papers. The style of their advertising is all very similar.

I suppose after being woowed into spending their money people have to try to earn it back? But I wonder if the only people earning the money are the advertising agencies themselves, it must be a real boon for them.

Surely this can’t be fully legitimate, even though from my research it does appear to be legal. It seems more like preying on people in economic need.

FYI, I saw an add in seek for a business opportunity in seek. I have spoken to Simon Haggard and was pressured to enter the site during the initial conversation.

After going through to the POLARIS GLOBAL site and watching the material I have promptly reported Simon Haggard and Polaris Global to the ACCC. I suggest if you do come across this you do the same, it smells terribly of a Pyramid Scheme.

Well having been a student of personal development for over 10 years and have read many teachings from so many people….I am ashamed to say I paid money for the latest polaris conference. Shane had NOTHING to say in fact lost himself whilst talking!

I have to say he’s nothing without Rach (although she’s a horrible person to watch live too, at least she’s entertaining). The leaders really bothered me, I mean if you post on FB about exercise, blood sweat and tears….then at least show up on stage looking like the product!!!

Sorry fat girls in bad dresses and shoes they can’t walk in…are not people I can follow anymore.

20,000,dollars lighter lol I can still laugh. Be real people its the only way to be, to be a business success forget fake it till you make it……walk the talk the way it is 🙂 with love xx

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