Update on New Lawsuit Filed Against Hawaii Department of Health on Behalf of Virginia Sunahara's Brother, Duncan Sunahara

As first reported here, brother of Virginia Sunahara, Duncan Sunahara, has filed suit against Hawaii to obtain access to Virginia's original long-form birth certificate. Dean Haskins of the Birther Summit lays out the details below. See the complaint here.

WAS BABY VIRGINIA SUNAHARA'S IDENTITY STOLEN?

Dean C. Haskins

As was previously reported, in October and November, we spent a total of 2 ½ weeks in Hawaii on an investigative assignment. It was at the beginning of that stay that we met Duncan Sunahara, a highly informed, but unassuming guy, complete with his signature coconut palm frond hat. He was a military veteran with an obvious deep love for his country.

Early last year, Duncan had become aware of some possible issues surrounding his late sister Virginia's birth certificate, and had spent quite a bit of time on his own trying to get his questions answered. As he related to us, it seemed he was getting nothing but a "run around" from the Department of Health, and the area hospitals. Oddly, it had been reported in 2010 that DOH Director, Loretta Fuddy, had claimed that no records existed for Virginia Sunahara.

Duncan knew that his sister was born in the same hospital that he had been a few years earlier, and that she was transferred to another hospital, but he didn't know which one (and his elderly mother could not remember). He had visited the birth hospital, Wahiawa General, and both Queen's and Kapi'olani Medical Centers, but was not able to obtain any information from them. We were able to help him procure all of the medical records from the day Virginia spent in Wahiawa General, and found that she was transferred to Kapi'olani, but Kapi'olani insists they have no records on file. It does seem odd that Wahiawa would have the records, but Kapi'olani supposedly does not (how much room could it take to store a roll of microfilm?). This certainly seems "convenient" for them.

When we visited the Department of Health, we weren't quite sure what we would find, since Loretta Fuddy had insisted that Virginia's records didn't exist. However, we were pleasantly surprised that Duncan's application produced several certified copies of Hawaii's new short form birth certificate (which they now absurdly call their "long form"). Upon closer inspection, we learned that the number assigned to Virginia's birth certificate is 151-1961-011080, and realized that, statistically, that number simply cannot be legitimate.

Now, here's what's wrong with that number: we all know that the last group of numbers on the "certificate" Barack Obama claims is his official record is 10641, and his certificate was supposedly processed on August 8, 1961. We also know that the Nordyke twins were assigned the numbers 10637 and 10638, and their certificates were processed on August 11, 1961. Virginia Sunahara's birth certificate states that it was processed on August 10, 1961, but the number it was assigned is 443 higher than the Nordyke twin whose certificate was stamped with the number 10637.

We know that there were 17,616 births in Hawaii in 1961, which shows a statistical average of 48 births per day. To arrive at the number now assigned to Virginia's birth certificate, nine to ten days would have had to have lapsed after the Nordyke twins' certificates were processed, but Virginia's processing date was the day BEFORE the Nordyke's.

To refute the ridiculous argument that birth certificate worksheets were pre-numbered, and clerks kept small stacks of them on their desks for processing, that is not only patently false, but also, by federal law, would be illegal. Birth certificate "worksheets" (what they call blank birth certificate forms) are kept at the hospitals, and it is there where the information is entered onto them. Once all the information has been entered, they are sent to the DOH, where they are processed using a Bates machine, which enters certificate numbers sequentially, and then the date of processing is stamped onto them. Basement bloggers who suggest otherwise simply prove their lack of factual knowledge with that argument (as if any further proof of that were needed).

We went back to the DOH the next day to try to obtain a photocopy of Virginia's original birth certificate, but were told that Duncan was not allowed to receive that (according to DOH rules). When we pointed out to Supervisor Jesse Koike that their "rules" were illegal, according to Hawaiian statutes, he told us that Duncan would have to discuss that with Dr. Alvin Onaka. We spent four hours waiting to speak with Onaka, who eventually instructed the security guard to throw us out of the facility (which seems to be outrageous behavior from someone with nothing to hide). Duncan also made several phone calls trying to make an appointment to see Onaka, but could not get him even to return his calls.

We then sent a certified letter to Onaka requesting the photocopy, and also included the relevant statutory information, and were informed in writing that we would have to take the matter up with Hawaii's Attorney General, which we did. The response we received from the AG contained the same deceptive misinterpretation of the statute, so, as a final step toward filing a complaint with the court, Duncan sent a letter asking for an estimate of how much it would cost for the DOH to perform the necessary research to copy, and send, Virginia's original birth certificate. No response was ever received from the DOH.

It is still unbelievable that, in 2008, our so-called media dispatched teams to sift through Sarah Palin's trash looking for anything they could find to discredit her, but did nothing of the sort regarding an empty suit Marxist from Chicago who refused to provide any substantive documentation regarding his eligibility. When the media and the politicians refuse to do their jobs, it is up to "We the People" to do it for them—and that is exactly what we are continuing to do. Please stay tuned, as we will keep you up to date on this case.

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UPDATE: Below is a portion of Virginia Sunahara's Death Certificate. Note that the Birth Certificate number is handwritten. That certainly wouldn't be difficult to alter, now would it?

Once all the information has been entered, they are sent to the DOH, where they are processed using a Bates machine, which enters certificate numbers sequentially, and then the date of processing is stamped onto them. Basement bloggers who suggest otherwise simply prove their lack of factual knowledge with that argument (as if any further proof of that were needed).

"Basement Bloggers" would be Dr. CON, Foggy-OBots, Zotted FR trolls like EnderWiggins and an assortment of other Socialist malcontents....

Your honor, the Department of Health "has misplaced" the whole microfiche that had photostatted 5,000 birth certificates (or whatever the number is on it). The state does not know if they would ever recover it again.

Comment from Commander Charles Kerchner: As I read the article a question goes through my mind … “has the Hawaiian Health Department been engaged in criminal activities and not following their own laws beyond the hiding of the Obama’s and Sunahara’s birth records?” Has that department been engaged in criminal activities of selling birth certificate numbers and birth certificates now and/or in the past. Birth certificate fraud was a huge problem in Puerto Rico as well as recently in Hudson County NJ in which staff were selling birth certificates. This was reported about a couple years ago and can be found via a Google search. Imo, something very suspicious is going on in the Hawaii Health Department. In their efforts to help cover-up for Obama, they may be revealing the tip of a much more extensive history of fraud and criminal activities, past and/or present. There needs to be a full scale investigation as to what has been going on with birth registrations in Hawaii since they became a state in 1959 with particular focus on the disposition of birth certificate registration numbers for children who died shortly after birth or a few days to a couple of years old. This is exactly the target that Bill Ayers (a good friend of the Barack Obama and a financial and political associate of Obama’s in Chicago) bragged about in his book Fugitive Days as a prime source for stealing birth records and creating a new identities for himself and others. Did Bill Ayers help Obama get that Connecticut SSN Obama has been using since 1986 after Obama moved to Chicago? In Obama’s birth registration number case, it appears that with the help of Hawaiian staff in the Health Department at some point in time the birth certificate registration number for Virginia Sunahara was “transferred” to Obama. This could have been done directly by the staff or by allowing someone access to the system to do the dirty deed. A full and thorough investigation and audit of the records and records system, with subpoenaed original records to subject to forensic examination and witnesses testifying under oath, is needed to be sure that birth registration certificates are not being sold or registration numbers are being switched around in the HI Health Department for political or pecuniary purposes.

Could someone please refresh my memory as to the importance of Viginia's BC? Did the Obama team copy her BC and adapt portions of it in his own fraudulent BC? Does it have something to do with the #'s sequence?

From what I remember, Obama's BC was processed at a center on the outer edge of the island in an area used by Native Hawaiians and foreigners to apply for citizenship. His BC was NOT processed at a center in the city used by the 2 main hospitals at the time, Queens and Kapi'olani.

Regarding Onaka and his smiley face siggie on the fraudulent longform BC, sounds like someone is a part of this cabal and doesn't want to be discovered as complicit, hence giving brother Duncan the runaround.

I remember this brought up several years ago at WND in a forum. It was because of the number sequence of the Nordyke twins and BO. He was born before they were, yet they have earlier numbers. At the time that it was brought up, I don't think that it was known about Virginia. So at that point, people must have started researching this.

Ladysforest has some excellent info on this at her blog: http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/10-virginia-sunahara-research-results/

She knows about an investigator that went over there for her and several other folks months ago and interviewed the family. Well, you'll just have to read it.

And apparently Dean Haskins and others have been researching this. In a Bill Ayers book, he talks about how using the ID of infants that have died, which works out good for creating false identities.

Kind of sick and disgusting, huh? I think so. I feel for the family in Hawaii, number one, for Clara losing her baby, and number two, IF she was used in this manner for BO, that is just horrible. Justice needs to be done in this.

"So the birthers are now harrassing a family who lost their little daughter many years ago?

Birthers are despicable."

Bite me asshole. You got some balls calling anybody despicable when you support the scumbag that is Barry Soetoro. You are lower than whale shit. Wish we could spend a few minutes together locked in a 10x10 room you buttwipe.

@ZamasI will be more than happy to give you my name, address, and phone number and we can meet up and settle this like adults you scumbag. what a tough guy you are sitting in your mothers basement in your underwear. just let me know and I'll be glad to set you straight, dimwit. Zamas.

Y'know, if this is Dean's big announcement that he's been building to, it's considerably more underwhelming than even I was anticipating. I thought he might actually have something at least *tangentially* related to Obama. Instead, he's spending money to help some guy who has nothing to do with Obama try to procure the Hawaiian long-form birth certificate for his sister who died 50 years ago, whose only connection to Obama was being born at the same hospital on the same day.

And if what you describe above is Dean's current endgame, then that's a convenient workaround for claiming victory regardless of the outcome.

Remember, the claim all along has been that Obama stole Virginia's birth registration number. If they get their hands on the long-form, and it's not Obama's number, then you think that would disprove their hypothesis, right? NO! They simply claim that Hawaii has inexplicably forged a fake birth certificate with a fake number for a girl who lived to be a day old.

In other words:

- Finding #1: Virginia's long-form has the same number as Obama's.- Probability: Very low.- Interpretation: Obama's certificate is forged from Virginia's.- Outcome if Finding #1 is true: BIRTHERS WIN!

- Finding #2: Virginia's long-form does NOT have the same number as Obama's.- Probability: Very high.- Interpretation: Obama's certificate is forged, but not from Virginia's. Also, Virginia's is forged.- Outcome if Finding #2 is true: BIRTHERS WIN!

Really, Not even that much. Virginia Sunahara was born at Wahiawa General. Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center

Warning about the Obot Virus, it spreads, and it's fatal if you start believing in them, which if you have any common sense and brains, then you don't want to catch it. It's a very serious disease, which can cause Zombie-like behavior, butt-scratching, nose-picking to extreme, along with nonsense sentences and a huge absence of compassion for our fellowman. I see that some on this board have this characteristic.

Aloha,In going back through my e-mails, I found this one and was unsure if a response had been provided. The public health regulations (or administrative rules) regarding vital records are posted at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html There has been no repeal of these rules.

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. HISTORICALLY, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i),and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

HISTORICALLY, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between). The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice.

This is more like it. Come at these people from every possible angle. The one thing I questioned was this sentence:

"Now, here's what's wrong with that number: we all know that the last group of numbers on the "certificate" Barack Obama claims is his official record is 10641, and his certificate was supposedly processed on August 8, 1961. We also know that the Nordyke twins were assigned the numbers 10637 and 10638...."

As has been discussed by Dr. Pollard there is reason to believe the Nordyke Twins birth certificates are faked too. Could it be that Nordyke's are faked just to make his look good and they were planted for Jerome Corsi to make an issue over? Is there an angle where this could be? I really believe you have to think like a master criminal if you are going to figure this out. When you have billions of dollars at your discretion and access to the most powerful forces on Earth, no stone is going to be left unturned. They are going to be thinking about what you would likely think about. This is the big leagues, these are people that overthrow governments.

I think that there is something going on that is very stinky! Yeap, it appears to me that there should be an investigation on the matter intirely. Yes, those of us who have lost loved one's due have to have the legal documents to settle affairs. Those that complain about us not really needing them have most certainly never lost a loved one. I have never heard of such insensitivity until now.

What did she mean by "historically"the 1970's? It seems unlikely that she worked there in the 60's. Back then the system would have been mostly manual.

Man you OBots are obtuse. Janice Okubo didn't have to work there 40 years ago to know how the manual system worked "Historically" back in the 60s or 50s.... Okubo's job is public relations for the DoH. She should know their history.

As soon as the birth certificates hit the main office on O’ahu, the BCs got a file number and "date accepted" and "date filed" and it most often the same date as the birth.

like it says OBot,

"HISTORICALLY, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on O’ahu (the island with the largest population in our state). "

Now where was "Obama supposedly born"* and where was Virginia born?? Yeah that's right OBot, they were both born on O’ahu.

"Poor Tiza, what is it with birthers and 5 year old name calling anyway??"

Actually, Terri, I don't think that you can understand five-year-old name-calling sad to say. If you could understand that, maybe you could understand your pride and joy is a false jerk, and maybe you can understand who I'm speaking of.

@Anonymous"I will be more than happy to give you my name, address, and phone number and we can meet up and settle this like adults..."

That would be the mistake of your worthless life. While my avocation is one that would otherwise consider the following to be dishonorable, please consider this shithead - 'it's not the belt you have to worry about, it's who's is wearing it'. If you have a remote clue what that means, then you will see why your proposal would be something you would regret in probably less than a minute. If your so fucking stupid that you don't get it, ask somebody or do a google search if you have more than the shit for brains that you display here. In short, I can remove one of your appendages and stick up your fat ass and there's not a thing you could do about it. Bring a friend. It won't help, but would make it that much more fun for me. Fuck you.

"Without knowledge of how the numbering sequence worked in 1961, there is no reliable information that would be obtained in the unlikely event the long form were released."

We are very well versed in how the numbering sequence worked in 1961 (and by the way, it was the same that had been used for decades, and is still used today). We are also well versed in the numerous state and federal laws that apply to Hawaii birth certificates.

"If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

So we now have confirmation the COLB was a valid hawaiin Birth Certificate.

Thanks Kanbun. You are correct, I do not need help, at least with this Anon.

Does anyone know if the Anon shithead that wants to give me his name, address and phone # is the FogBow Anon shithead? Let me know.

To those of you who so diligently post here in support of the Constitution and your concern for our country's future, you have my gratitude and I apologize for my outburst to Anon Shithead. For 'The Way' of the art by which I strive to conduct life's business teaches that we be tolerant of those who seek to cause harm and to avoid dealing with them with the harshness that we are able to inflict - "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." This I have lived by and have succeeded in doing countless times as my skills have developed and increased.

However, there are lines. I draw a line with those who seek to disparage my country, ignore or twist it's founding principles, and above all support those who have or seek power that proceed to ruin the miracle of America and take my children's future. The Anon Shithead above (FogBow Anon?) is such an individual. Once this line is crossed, all bets are off.

My response begins by speaking to such individuals, in this case the Anon Shithead, in blunt, descriptive, and unmistakable American vernacular. In the more extreme cases, it can be followed by making such shitheads think that Atilla the Hun was a liberal. An example of this is the appendage process described above - Anon Shithead will be happy to express his belief of Atilla's leftness at that point.

Above all, those of you that are of even belief to me, please remember:

Tiza said...[Reply] "Poor Tiza, what is it with birthers and 5 year old name calling anyway??"

Actually, Terri, I don't think that you can understand five-year-old name-calling sad to say. If you could understand that, maybe you could understand your pride and joy is a false jerk, and maybe you can understand who I'm speaking of.

So we now have confirmation the COLB was a valid hawaiin Birth Certificate.

LoL OBot! You went back to those Amy Holyfield St. Petersburg Times BS articles??

But OBot, Okubo also said this in 2008:

"A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents. ..."

To repeat again,

Janice Okubo - Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was valid,... "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."

i agree, Terri. Is Dean investigating a pattern of Fraud at the Hawaii Health Department or is the inference that Obama used Virgina's as the prototype for the internet published COLB?

Seems to me that conquering the corruption in Hawaii is certainly not going to do anything but allow Obama to blame the Health Department for the mess and he then exonerates himself. He no longer incriminates himself in a crime!!

After all, Like the Ballot Commission in NH, he cannot control the HI Health Dept.'s methods of business practice.

I was talking to a guy last night who owns a retail store. He isn't a real political junkie, but talked about how his business is suffering under Nobama: he's never seen where they have had to raise prices so much (inflation non-existent right). He listens to Glenn Beck and the strangely silent conservative media on this issue. I mentioned the birth certificate thing and my theory. I found it interesting that he didn't know anything about this. And sort of just laughed it off. He even said something about the Republicans are racists...blah blah.

I bring this up because many many people who would be on our side still know nothing about this. Here is how I explained it to him. And I think it least got him thinking.

"Have you ever wondered WHY somebody before they are of the age of 40 would write two books about himself? Now think about the birth certificate, it's proven a forgery, there are dozens of experts who say so and its on many websites and BHO doesn't have a valid SSN either...

friend: "President's won't put their real SSN out there for the world to see."

Me: "look they have his tax returns from way before the time he was president. So it's true. But just follow me on the other. His SSN is fake BECAUSE he doesn't have a valid birth certificate. How can you get an SSN without a valid birth certificate? you can't.

All that being true, then what is the most logical explanation for WHY those books were written? In my opinion its because the stories in the books are 100% made up. They are the stories they want the public to believe. All the way back to his birth.

The real question is, since all of the stuff in the books is proving to be lies...what is the truth? And that is the scary part, we don't know WHO in the hell this guy is. And that is one of the reasons this birth certificate issue is important."

the discussion went on, but I mention it just because there is a bunch of people that still need to be informed. And sometimes I think the technicality aspect of our Constitution, though 100% right on, makes the semi-informed eyes glaze over. We need these people on our side too.

Duncan is entitled to a certified copy of his sister's birth certificate.

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

So the brother can get a certified copy but Duncan, Haskins, and the lawyer who filed this motion have no legal basis for examining the "original" Certificate of Live Birth, held by the Hawaii Dept of Health, no matter what form it may exist (paper, microfilm, or digital information). Big whoop.

i agree, Terri. Is Dean investigating a pattern of Fraud at the Hawaii Health Department or is the inference that Obama used Virgina's as the prototype for the internet published COLB?

Seems to me that conquering the corruption in Hawaii is certainly not going to do anything but allow Obama to blame the Health Department for the mess and he then exonerates himself. He no longer incriminates himself in a crime!!

After all, Like the Ballot Commission in NH, he cannot control the HI Health Dept.'s methods of business practice.

I just do not understand how some can even with a sraight face say there is some mystery here.Is ther proof positive that he is telling the truth? IMO NO is there questionable acts and stories that make one go *HUM* YES.How do the supporters of this questionable man justify their thoughts? With no name calling or unsubstantiated claims , I owuld appreciate an answer.Then tell me why you think undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights is justified by any President, please.

You're going to need to bear with me, because this might be a little hard to follow.

I became curious about Duncan Sunahara when I learned that he is suing the Hawaii Department of Health in an attempt to gain access to his late sister's birth certificate. Fortunately, the modern age has brought us a partial cure for curiosity: Google. Unfortunately, Google might be raising more questions in this case than it answers. Some of these questions are troubling.

When I search for people by name, I usually put the full name in quotes to cut down on spurious results. Doing that for Duncan Sunahara yesterday was initially unhelpful, because the results were swamped by links to discussions about the new lawsuit. I didn't want to learn about the lawsuit. I wanted to learn about Duncan. Using the "custom search" settings in the Google sidebar, I restricted the search to eliminate results from 2012.

The first page of results contained a link to an eBay feedback profile for the user Tmi9. That profile turned up in the google hits because of a very strange bit of feedback left by Tmi9 for a seller. Instead of rating the seller, the feedback (left for the purchase of auction #160676686295) read "Please Send to Duncan Sunahara [REDACTED-md] ,Wahiawa HI 96786". The feedback was left on 24 November 2011. The item in question was a lot consisting of foreign currency - specifically, 100,000 Dinars (Iraqi, uncirculated). The price for the lot appears to have been $118.99 USD.

That one feedback entry is the only one that appears to have included directions that the item be shipped to Duncan Sunahara.

There are several other feedback entries for purchases of Iraqi Dinars during that period - in fact, it appears that eBay user Tmi9 spent approximately $1,200 USD purchasing Iraqi Dinars between 24 November 2011 and Christmas. It also appears that eBay user Tmi9 did not purchase any Iraqi Dinars prior to purchasing the lot that he had shipped to Sunahara.

Initially, I assumed that the Tmi9 eBay account was Duncan Sunahara's. I now believe that assumption was incorrect. Someone* pointed out to me that the Twitter account @Tmi9 appears to be owned by Gary Laconis.

A birther named Gary Laconis has been thanked by Orly Taitz for contributions on several occasions. Most recently, she thanked him and Dean Haskins on 8 September 2011 for their donations of $250.:evil: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=25293 :evil:

So, to summarize:Someone (probably Gary Laconis) had an eBay seller send Duncan Sunahara at least one shipment of Iraqi Dinars.Gary Laconis has provided financial support for birthers before.That shipment of Iraqi Dinars was sent sometime around 24 November 2011.Earlier that week, Dean Haskins was in Honolulu discussing vital records with Duncan Sunahara.Somewhere around that time, Duncan Sunahara decided that obtaining a copy of his deceased sister's long form birth certificate was so important to him that it is worth litigating.

I am not going to draw any implications from that set of facts. I don't think I need to, to be honest. I think they paint a very intriguing picture all by themselves.

On the Birther Summit website you have posted the top portion of Virginia Sunahara's Death Certificate.

1.) why is it on green security paper?

2.) Why does the left margin of the printed form curve downward?

3.) Next to the name is the handwritten date that appears to be 8/29/61 and someone's initials. What does that date mean? Is it the date that her name Virginia was added to the BC (TOMIYO is crossout)? Is that why her BC number is out of sequence with everyone elses?

4.) Is Dr. Onaka's signature stamp on the DC. On the front or back? Is there a raised seal? Is it embossed or debossed?

5.) There is a gap between the first "A" and first "H" in Sunahara and the "R" and last "A" seem to run together. Is this an example of kerning? What does Paul Irey say about this?

@California birther/dualer/doubterThere will no "punishment" since it was the previous REPUBLICAN administration in Hawaii that verified the authenticity of the ORIGINAL (not copies or scans or pdf files) birth record for Barack Obama.October 31, 2008 STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

@Charlene 8:34aThere is obviousely something really sinister going on that a person would risk being hung for treason. Obama is counting on the country being destroyed before all of this is being discovered. He also has the support of members of Congress in his coverup. There is no way any intelligent person can look at all the stories about him and not come to the conclusion that something is amiss. One would also have to comclusion that he is guilty by association with the people he hangs out with such as Soros and Ayers. I smelled a rat when he first was pushed to the top as a candidate from out of nowhere and had accomplished little to get that sort of attention. Our country is full of usefull idiots that have lifted him to "Mesiah" status and we will all pay for it. Hopefully he will be caught but it is going to create such a mess.

Duncan received a copy of his deceased baby sister's birth certificate and it was certified. He just doesn't like the version that DOH has been issuing since 2000.Boo. Hoo.

Hawaii is NOT obeying the law.

And they have re-written their silly DoH BS policy on a whim to cover their big butts and Obama.

Excerpted from the lawsuit:

"6. On or about November 22, 2011, Plaintiff Sunahara requested from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, an estimate of the cost and expense to obtain a certified copy of the Original Certificate of Live Birth(hereafter "Birth Certificate") of Virginia Sunahara deceased, pursuant to HRS Section 338-13(a). The statute states in relevant part, "the department of health shall upon request, furnish to ANY applicant a certified copy of ANY certificate..." (Emphasis added)...

9. Pursuant to Hawaii law, Plaintiff Sunahara is ENTITLED to a certified copy of the ORIGINAL HOSPITAL GENERATED paper Certified of Live Birth of his deceased sister, Virginia Sunahara.

FIRST CLAIM

(Violation of HRS Section 338-18, Public Health Statistics Act)

10. As the NATURAL brother of Virginia Sunahara, with the same parents, Plaintiff Duncan Sunahara is ENTITLED to obtain a certified copy of her original Birth Certificate. HRS Section 338-18 provides in relevant part,

Disclosure of Records.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of ANY such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have direct and tangible interest in public health statistics records:

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant...(Emphasis added).

And there is sooooooo much more... The Hawaiian DoH, shall we say, their case here is OBot-Ass weak.

Duncan needs to make sure that Hawaii has not wiped out his sister's existence completely and if sob, usob, has tampered with her bc or if anyone else has tampered with it then a lawsuit is in order and sob, usob, and Hawaii has lots of money for damages. The DOH is making it very difficult for Duncan to obtain the bc so the probability is very high that sob, usob has something to do with it. "Mr. Sunahara, the POTUS sob, usob wants to use Virginia's bc so he can be legit, is that ok with ya partner? Hell, Someone give Duncan some spending money from obama's stash." Seems like obots cannot ever reason or concede to anything that is truth. They are either sick or are being paid large sums of cash also from the stash.

Terri looks like you a food investigator, have you looked into Obams crapola?Seriosly, Dunkin recieving 1200 bucks of Iraqi money means nothing. Maybe someone is helping him out financially, maybe it is a birther,so what! Peanuts in the gallery of our not so dear leaders laundry list of questionable, ILLEGAL donations. Spend some tim explaining that.Have you ever even questioned your leaders story? I asked earlier for a LOGICAL explanation of how you can have no doubts. Now I get it, you may not pocess much logic.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

WHY was this an issue even in 1961?? When the news of his birth hit the airwaves here,people were asking these same questions--- So ask yourselves--WHAT WAS SO BIG THAT THIS FRAUD was covered up even then.What was so important that needed to be portrayed as something it wasn't. Whatever it is its been going on since before 1961-when Ann Dunham left the USA to "Go over the water to marry her baby's daddy-her black prince"... this is the biggest coverup in AMERICA'S HISTORY!!!

When will the American people wake up and smell the coffee ? BHO has manage to o pull the biggest SCAM on the US History. He is abusing the constitution and most of the American people don't give a Damn //////////////////////////1

(This is butterdezillion. I've had trouble in the past getting my Wordpress identity verified here so I'll just post as anonymous to make sure this gets posted. Nellie)

The statute allows copies of the certificate AND copies of the CONTENTS of the certificate, and says that the HDOH MUST provide what the qualified applicant requests. The Director can choose HOW to make the copy but it has to be a copy of the actual document if the applicant requests it, or a copy of the CONTENTS of the actual document if the applicant requests that instead.

A computer-generated abstract is a copy of the contents.

If Fuddy was going to make a computer-generated copy of the DOCUMENT she could only do it by scanning that document and printing it from a computer.

Point #2: UIPA says the government HAS to release copies of all records (except some law enforcement records) which have the requestor's name on them. If Duncan has power of attorney for Clara, then the HDOH MUST release actual copies of any documents having Clara's name on it, which would include the original birth certificate.

Point #3: If Fuddy has decided that vital records will be "copied" by computer abstracting, then why didn't she provide a computer abstract of the death certificate? Why make it so that ONLY birth certificates are copied so as to hide the original documents? If she was making a general rule for the department why didn't it apply to everything? Or does a Health Director have permission to pick and choose WHOSE records get what treatment?

Turns out that's EXACTLY what she's doing by saying that she can make whatever exceptions she wants - she who governs a department which has been caught lying in responses after digging up evidence that the requestor was a conservative.

What we're talking about here is the HDOH's utter contempt for the rule of law. It stinks to high heaven, and it's about time somebody did something about it.

And the most pointed question in the depositions of these people should be, "Why? Why did you so deliberately and systematically break these laws?"

someone stated that since the obama nativity fiasco started ,that the HDOC has made something like twenty different rule changes concerning COLBs ,LFBCs and who has the right to see what etc ,is this true and has anyone compiled a list of said rule changes and compared this flurry of activity with the rate of changes PRIOR to the appearance of senator soetoro/bounell/obama on to the public stage ?

ie, HDOC rule changes from say '57 to '07 as opposed to those in the last 3 years ?

P.S. if there is going to be any kind of face to face "discussion " between obama SA men and us anywhere in the western US ,i would like to attend as well .

please do announce any kind of "brown shirts and birthers ball " i too ,have been dying to meet any and all dedicated "obatzi jugend" types ..for a nice ,cozy ,heart to heart discussion/debate about the US constitution ,the rule of law and the implications of treason in times of war .

Anonymous at 8:39PM, it's butterdezillion here. Compiling that list sounds like a great idea. I may just start that kind of a list, based on what I can document, and then maybe others can add what they know.

Here is the post under a different article on this site that someone was perhaps referencing in which some 23 rule changes are said to have taken place at the HDOH. The message is posted under Ron Polland's name.

Though I can't name all 23, . . . [1] changing the name of the short form, [2] changing the recommendations of the Homelands program, [3] enacting the vexatious requester law and [4] claiming to cease all releasing of long form certificates . . . are some of the biggies that beg me to believe that felonious smoke and mirrors have been thoroughly deployed in service to Onaka, Fuddy and her predecessor, Fukino.

Honestly, some days I think Loretta Fuddy and Alvin Onaka are more vile enemies of America than the horrid fraud whom they enable.

Nellie "If Fuddy was going to make a computer-generated copy of the DOCUMENT she could only do it by scanning that document and printing it from a computer."

Nope. Part c of the law allows any type of "copying" by computer. As long as the necessary data fields are completed, digital representations or descriptors of images of signatures, seals, etc could be provided to the requestor.

Nellie "Point #2: UIPA says the government HAS to release copies of all records (except some law enforcement records) which have the requestor's name on them. If Duncan has power of attorney for Clara, then the HDOH MUST release actual copies of any documents having Clara's name on it, which would include the original birth certificate."

Nope. Specific overrides the general. §338-13 parts a, b, and c will trump UIPA. You should know this by now.

Nellie "Point #3: If Fuddy has decided that vital records will be "copied" by computer abstracting, then why didn't she provide a computer abstract of the death certificate?"

It appears that DOH did provide a computer abstract since the death certificate was copied onto safety paper in use now, not 50 years ago. The handwritten numbers were optically scanned and placed on the newly created document.

You may have meant to ask why the death certificates are long forms and birth certificates are short forms. The most likely rationale relates to the much higher volume of requests for birth certificates vs. death certificates.

Nellie "Why make it so that ONLY birth certificates are copied so as to hide the original documents?"

Certificates of Live Birth contain significant amounts of medical information which is collected for research purposes. No one is given copies of such information, in any state in the country. Here's a sample of such a form.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-acc.pdf

Nellie"If she was making a general rule for the department why didn't it apply to everything? Or does a Health Director have permission to pick and choose WHOSE records get what treatment?"

Fair questions but it is more reasonable to assume benign and logical rationale for the motivation vs. a moronic conspiracy as promoted by Haskins and others.

The best thing is Surharas probably still have the very original birth and death certificate and are playing this whole thing out..............to prove documentation creation and fraud. There is, I suspect a bigger story going on here than little 'ole Barri.

I only learned today of Barry Soetorro"s secret 2009 Halloween party in the White House. Barry also recently said that he did not think that the media should look into candidates lives so closely. What a comedian! What kind of freakin numbering system for BCs does Hawaii use? We need more BCs from 1961. If the numbering system was not sequential, then what was it?

can anyone tell me exactly when it was that HDOH officially stopped issuing certified copy's of the original LFBC to ppl born in hawaii ??,it was my understanding that ppl born in HI could still get such documents INSTEAD of a COLB up until fairly recently and that they had merely to specify that they wanted the LFBC instead of the standard issue COLB ...

when exactly did this policy officially change at HDOH and under what new law code number ,if any ?...i would greatly appreciate any help with this ..

Obama's friend Bill Ayers has a long history of using dead babies to get phony birth certificates. This is an excerpt from Fugitive Days.

Deport AyersAfter the Baltimore fiasco, stealing ID was forbidden. Instead we began to build ID sets around documents as flimsy as a fishing license or a laminated card available in a Times Square novelty shop called “Official ID.” We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart, and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates. I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota,searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955. The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificates—available to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paper—but they had never applied for a Social Security card.

Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred. For years I was a paper-made Joseph Brown, and then an Anthony Lee, remarkably durable identities. My on-paper official residences: a transient hotel in San Francisco and a warehouse in New York.As is typical Ayers, he throws you off on a story that is fairly true…instead of cemetery or archived newspaper hunts it was the local County vital records office where ‘infant deaths‘ of all dates–the earlier the better– were investigated by a ‘student researcher for his/her thesis.’ No funds were required as the information was only copied, conveniently both the birth and death certificate numbers were on the death certificate. And all states were involved…during his fugitive days I don’t think he’d be in Illinois or North Dakota looking around in cemeteries especially in winter, heck even in spring.

From there birth certificates, social security numbers, and drivers licenses were all easily made. Over the years it was probably thousands of identities. It is also possible to manufacture multiple identities off of that one death certificate. One of the Black Panther Party/Weather Underground’s 1981 Brink’s robbers who is still in jail used the manufactured identity of “Nathanial Tate” but his real name is Sekou Odinga, and yes, he is related to Raile Odinga, Obama’s cousin. The Brink’s robbery was north of New York City and three officers were killed.

FYI: HDOH has INTENTIONALLY retained licensed medical personnel (Registered RN, HI State License, who was convicted for threateneing to kill a neighbor who complained about her illegal activities/violations and suspected drug dealing.

TOP KEY PERSONNEL WERE CONTACTED, and NOT ONE PERSON even investigated, or offered to investigate a life threating employee who is capable of extreme violence and STILL is employted at the Norht Hawaii Hospital in Kamuela/Waimea on the Big Island.

DHOH also did not even investigate the death of the nurse's "partner", and she was immediately and quickly cremated.

The state of Hawaii has also hidden EXTREME corruption of attorneys and several other entities, including 2 senate inquiries into "missing evidence" from police evidence rooms and other malfeasance and blatant corruption in Hawaii County. These are being INTENTIONALLY hidden by top brass...

As some of these reports and evidence has been given to key investigators and political connections in CA, AK and even to KEY WITNESSES in Germany who were also victimized by DIRECT CORRUPTIONS OF LAW!!!

ANYONE who thinks that coverups are NOT FREQUENT in both CA and HI, are living in lala land...these ocrruptions happen on EVERY LEVEL. There are HORRIBLE CORRUPTIONS of goverment, businesses committing crimes and they WILL CONTINUE to get away with it unti la SERIOUS group of REAL AMERICANS who truly care about doing the right thing, set up a website and confront the serious corruptions in law, government and big business...even then, it's pretty doubtful anyone will find anything, because Obama APPOINTED the very Supremem Court Jusitce who KEEPS HIS CRIMINAL RECORDS SEALED!!!!

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