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miss Tina, eh? Sounds legit. I'm really tempted. LOL

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miss Tina, eh? Sounds legit. I'm really tempted. LOL

Sounds like Tina needs to contact the "fixer of personal problems", Joe G. I'm sure he has some interesting things to say to her.

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miss Tina, eh? Sounds legit. I'm really tempted. LOL

Hey--I got that one too. She needed some money to fly out and visit me for some hot sex! It turns out that traveling from Nigeria to Illinois is really expensive!

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miss Tina, eh? Sounds legit. I'm really tempted. LOL

miss Tina seems to be playing the field, the little minx. I got that very same message.

But hey, I'm all fixed up for Nigerian princesses and that kind of thing - you guys can fight it out between you.

At least it once again shows the powerful impact of ID/YEC creationism upon the modern times. We are truly the talk of the town and a rising threat to the old order. Either we will prevail or it become a newsworthy flop in our time.

Joe Felsenstein on September 24, 2012 at 1:01 pm said:Folks, if Elizabeth were active here she would send the lot of you to the Sandbox. Your material on people’s personal and political motivations is irrelevant to the gpuccio discussion. The same thing is happening at UD where everyone here is being called liars.

I am trying to have a discussion with gpuccio but the noise level here looks to be a problem.

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Mark Frankon September 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm said:I second this. The moderation policy at UD has meant that this blog has become a sort of parallel discussion. It would be easier if it were one blog but it works in a fashion.

Let’s make sure this blog does not turn into another AtBC. I am not saying that there isn’t a place for AtBC as well – but it’s a different place. UD combines genuine criticism with more personal stuff – but it works better if they are separate.

When tard addicts start running low on the tard they get huffy and try to protect their stash.

ID has been dead for years. you guys are trying to scrape the last little corner of the pipe over there. good luck to that

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Because ID is dead as a mackerel, there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like Donald who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s.

Like it or not, tardahols, "motive" is the single fucking thing there is worth talking about when it comes to intelligent design creationism. How many times do you need to jack off to the same picture before you realize the cake is a whore?

Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 26 2012,08:26

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

Mike Elzingaon September 25, 2012 at 12:49 am said:Henry Morris and Duane Gish would be very pleased to see how their memes are being expressed in their intellectual descendants over at UD. Every misconception and misrepresentation about science, from thermodynamics to atoms and molecules to the origins of life and onward to evolution, is expressed as clearly as a deadly genetic disease in Morris’s and Gish’s intellectual progeny over there.

Even funnier, those UD characters – like abandoned street urchins – don’t know anything about their own intellectual ancestry. They don’t know or understand the genetic and memetic markers that identify them; and they actually believe they are solving the “scientific” problems that Morris and Gish set out for them by introducing them into their intellectual memes and genes. ID is their attempted “solution” to the pseudo-scientific memes that reside in their heads.

Who says ID is not a morph of “scientific” creationism? The paternity test screams otherwise; right over there at UD. It’s in their intellectual DNA.

Well, it's not a morph and it's not a descendent. It's the same fucking corpse they trotted out before it's just wearing a bit more face paint and they trimmed it's bush.

i understand why you want to screw gpuccio to the mat. in fact, several people here voted him "Most Likely To De-tard" so I can only infer that you voted this way because you are fond of him. And maybe he is most likely to de-tard.

but so what? no one is a committed creationist because they have reviewed the evidence. they are pre-committed. if you manage to convince gpuccio that ID is the bollocks it undoubtedly is, then you haven't convinced him to renounce creationism, which is a state of denial and not a positive position. and even if he does in some way renounce creationism, it will be a business decision. a trade-off.

So, that makes it a twist but otherwise, you're still arguing with a creationist. olegt keeps bringing that up in a beautifully cynical way. ID is deader than a mackerel

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Sep. 26 2012,00:03

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

wouldn't you rather argue with militant young earthers than these vague mystics? really? i mean, which is the more malevolent form of stupidity?

I'd say ID is the more dangerous form of stupidity. With YECs, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position are so blatantly obvious that YEC-pushers plain old can't win in court—even if they do luck out and get a fundy-friendly judge to agree that YEC is All Science So Far, that f-f judge will be hobbled by (a) YEC's voluminous legalistic track record which incontrovertibly proves that YEC is religious dogma, and (b) the need to cobble together some sort of justification that won't get shredded on contact with an appeals judge.With ID, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position have been sufficiently obscured that it's very possible for a rational human being who isn't familiar with ID to conclude that ID genuinely is Real Science.

but so what? no one is a committed creationist because they have reviewed the evidence. they are pre-committed.

Well, we do it for amusement, of course, but some of us also do it for the onlookers. Seriously.

I grew up an evangelical creationist and had to grow out of it in my teens. Those were difficult years. It would have done me a world of good if I could have gone online and seen creationist arguments getting trounced on the Internet.

We may never persuade the hardened tards, but there are kids out there who are brainwashed, like I was, but smart enough to know a good argument when they see one. They are still reachable.

--------------And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G

wouldn't you rather argue with militant young earthers than these vague mystics? really? i mean, which is the more malevolent form of stupidity?

I'd say ID is the more dangerous form of stupidity. With YECs, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position are so blatantly obvious that YEC-pushers plain old can't win in court—even if they do luck out and get a fundy-friendly judge to agree that YEC is All Science So Far, that f-f judge will be hobbled by (a) YEC's voluminous legalistic track record which incontrovertibly proves that YEC is religious dogma, and (b) the need to cobble together some sort of justification that won't get shredded on contact with an appeals judge.With ID, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position have been sufficiently obscured that it's very possible for a rational human being who isn't familiar with ID to conclude that ID genuinely is Real Science.

Fortunately, UD comments form a prime exhibit and permanent record for the window-dressing charge. Despite 'repeated correction' that ID isn't CIACT, but stands on its own merits, one has to peel away just one, rather threadbare layer to reveal the truth. They haven't a hope in hell in court, and they know it. But ... Joe Average buys it alarmingly readily. The internet provides an excellent resource for crackpots to get together and gain mass, and look, in the process, like genuine seekers of truth. See also: Climate, Conspiracy. And scientists giving reasoned explanations are fodder to the publicity mill. So ... you're saying you've never observed protein synthesis evolving without intelligent input? But you have typed English characters on a computer, right?

Edited by Soapy Sam on Sep. 26 2012,03:06

--------------SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like â€śI thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,â€ť you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

wouldn't you rather argue with militant young earthers than these vague mystics? really? i mean, which is the more malevolent form of stupidity?

I'd say ID is the more dangerous form of stupidity. With YECs, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position are so blatantly obvious that YEC-pushers plain old can't win in court—even if they do luck out and get a fundy-friendly judge to agree that YEC is All Science So Far, that f-f judge will be hobbled by (a) YEC's voluminous legalistic track record which incontrovertibly proves that YEC is religious dogma, and (b) the need to cobble together some sort of justification that won't get shredded on contact with an appeals judge.With ID, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position have been sufficiently obscured that it's very possible for a rational human being who isn't familiar with ID to conclude that ID genuinely is Real Science.

Fortunately, UD comments form a prime exhibit and permanent record for the window-dressing charge. Despite 'repeated correction' that ID isn't CIACT, but stands on its own merits, one has to peel away just one, rather threadbare layer to reveal the truth. They haven't a hope in hell in court, and they know it. But ... Joe Average buys it alarmingly readily. The internet provides an excellent resource for crackpots to get together and gain mass, and look, in the process, like genuine seekers of truth. See also: Climate, Conspiracy. And scientists giving reasoned explanations are fodder to the publicity mill. So ... you're saying you've never observed protein synthesis evolving without intelligent input? But you have typed English characters on a computer, right?

PPPPPHHHHHTTTT, ...HOMO!

YOU SAY TOMATOE, I SAY POTATOE.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN 10,000 MONKEYS TYPE SHAEKESPERE?

NO?

CHANCE WORSHIPPERS SUCH AS YOURSELF JUST DON'T GET IT.

YOU EVOTARDS ARE STOPPING OUR MARINES FROM PRAYING AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

IT MEANS BODYSNATCHING, HORIZONTAL DANCING, INVASION BY ALIENS, THE END OF SLAVERY AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT GOD WILL BE ON THEIR SIDE!!!!!!

but so what? no one is a committed creationist because they have reviewed the evidence. they are pre-committed.

Well, we do it for amusement, of course, but some of us also do it for the onlookers. Seriously.

I grew up an evangelical creationist and had to grow out of it in my teens. Those were difficult years. It would have done me a world of good if I could have gone online and seen creationist arguments getting trounced on the Internet.

We may never persuade the hardened tards, but there are kids out there who are brainwashed, like I was, but smart enough to know a good argument when they see one. They are still reachable.

well I understand the amusement for sure. but onlooker is here already and i am not sure that there are really that many onlookers.

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I grew up an evangelical creationist and had to grow out of it in my teens. Those were difficult years. It would have done me a world of good if I could have gone online and seen creationist arguments getting trounced on the Internet.

Totally, me too. But the reason why we de-tarded, and the tards haven't, is not because we had access to better arguments or information, but because we employed critical analysis to the claims of tard.

In my experience, you'll either do that, or you won't. If you will, then you will drop ID tard on your own. If you won't, no amount of thrashing with GAs or Weasel latches will convince you to detard.

How many people do you know that have de-tarded on the basis of your online dialogue? I am skeptical that this is really anyone's basic motivation.

Even if it sounds good how could anyone possibly believe that they could reason someone out of a proposition which they did not reason themselves into?

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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wouldn't you rather argue with militant young earthers than these vague mystics? really? i mean, which is the more malevolent form of stupidity?

I'd say ID is the more dangerous form of stupidity. With YECs, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position are so blatantly obvious that YEC-pushers plain old can't win in court—even if they do luck out and get a fundy-friendly judge to agree that YEC is All Science So Far, that f-f judge will be hobbled by (a) YEC's voluminous legalistic track record which incontrovertibly proves that YEC is religious dogma, and (b) the need to cobble together some sort of justification that won't get shredded on contact with an appeals judge.With ID, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position have been sufficiently obscured that it's very possible for a rational human being who isn't familiar with ID to conclude that ID genuinely is Real Science.

I think the difference between the two, as you have described them, is purely political packaging.

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With ID, the underlying fundagelical roots of the position have been sufficiently obscured that it's very possible for a rational human being who isn't familiar with ID to conclude that ID genuinely is Real Science.

I'd say, "Only if they are already committed to the tard."

If they are already on the tard, then ID will sound wonderful. If they have never hit the tard before then it will sound like the bollocks that it is. Creationists love ID because they can sound all sciency but they are still creationists underneath the thin veneer of stolen respectability.

Can you provide me of an example of a rational human being who has affirmed that ID is True Science™ ??

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

How many people do you know that have de-tarded on the basis of your online dialogue? I am skeptical that this is really anyone's basic motivation.

I know of two, just to throw that out there.

Stephen Elliot, who used to post here is one.

The other is Mandi Kaye, who used to have a blog called "Imago Dei", and was a commenter at UDoJ.

I was thinking of stephen, wasn't aware of mandi.

so we have one good example of someone de-tarding within the history of this board.

what we still haven't demonstrated is whether that de-tard was

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on the basis of [your] online dialogue

It's hard to imagine ID without the internet, indeed that is about the only place it exists.

A theoretically possible mythic beast that is often hailed in story and song, but all reports and observations of this purported being have turned out to be the rotting corpse of Creationism, being animated by dominionist political tools.

Mike Elzinga likes to toodle about this non-stop, how he has been watching the creationists since before creation and it's all a Duane Gish Henry Morris rehash mashup and nothing new has come from this since.

There has been a miraculous recovery at TSZ. The overall moderation issue has apparently fixed itself. I think some replies may still be stuck in spam filter, but new replies are getting posted as of this morning.