MycroftHolmes:Derrrr spray water on it does not really cover best or safe practices for fire fighting (most services do not use straight water anymore). The volume of water needed to be delivered to effectively fight a structure fire cannot be delivered from a garden hose.

He wasn't fightin a structure fire, he was in defense mode. You make it out like he was in the burning kitchen with a garden hose in his boxers yelling like Rambo. No. He was keeping the fire away from his home. Successfully, something you don't mention or consider. If my neighbors house lit up I'd hose away, not sit on my ass and wait for the professionals to come and watch it burn; thumbs fully up their asses.When seconds count, help is only minutes away. Can you disagree with that?

kindms:yes and walking up to him like a human being and saying hey buddy, the fire fighters are on the way, you really need to move back etc. Would have taken all of about 30 seconds and could have been done from afar and as mentioned in the article they could have turned off the water.

Instead of that they made some comment about letting the insurance take care of it and then lit him up with a taser.

He had already defied a voice order.

BronyMedic:This article doesn't give enough information, to be honest. It'd be nice to know the spacing of the houses and fence, and the general design of the area. Since he was treated for smoke inhalation, we can safely assume that he was close enough to inhale nasty things, which is too close without protective gear. (House fire smoke is very, very nasty.)

Yeah. Fighting it with a garden hose wouldn't automatically be a wrong thing to me--with a spray nozzle you could be quite a distance away. If you're in the smoke you're too close, though.

BronyMedic:I_Hate_Iowa: If his neighbor's house was on fire and he was spraying his fence with his hose, doesn't that mean he was farther away from the fire than the fence, with the fence also acting as a sort of heat shield? And I don't know about him, but when I've tried to get in near fires and it got too hot, I backed away. I'm guessing he could gauge whether he felt safe enough to continue, and would have moved away if he thought he was risking his personal safety over his property.

This article doesn't give enough information, to be honest. It'd be nice to know the spacing of the houses and fence, and the general design of the area. Since he was treated for smoke inhalation, we can safely assume that he was close enough to inhale nasty things, which is too close without protective gear. (House fire smoke is very, very nasty.)

However, the portion I've bolded is because I wanted to point out a situation called "Tunnel Vision". It's what happens when you focus on the immediate task infront of you, without worrying about the grand picture of things. It kills people, even trained responders who are taught to recognize when it's occuring and to "back down" psychologically from it and assess the whole picture.

There are cases of people who were so focused on defending a part of their property that they never noticed the rest was fully engulphed in flames.

it's getting to a point where every overzealous tazermonkey with a badge story that i see leaves me thinking 'well, at least they didn't drive over him with their tank'.

the funny thing is, if the guy was standing too close to the fire, is flopping around on the ground in the exact same place with thousands of volts flowing thru him really supposed to be an improvement?

BronyMedic:HotWingConspiracy: BronyMedic: Uh, submitter? FTFA, he was told by emergency responders on scene to stay the fark away from a fully involved structure fire. He continued to place himself, and others on scene who would have to help him, at risk of serious injury.

So electrocuting him was the only solution. Every tool these pigs are given make them collectively dumber.

I get it. Take your hand off your cop hate dick for a moment, and use your damn head. I'm telling you this as a Firefighter, based on what is being said in the article.

According to the article, he was in the danger zone of the fire trying to protect his freaking fence from igniting based on radiant exposure, despite repeated attempts by officers to get him to stay the fark back. With a garden hose.

Radiant heat from involved structures can overwhelm or kill someone quickly. Smoke inhalation can do the same. In addition, depending on the construction of the involved building, you have other issues such as collapse, or secondary explosion considerations from stored LNG/Propane in the direct thermal area. Why would you expect someone to wrestle with someone in immediately life threatening conditions, when you can use a taser, drop them, and drag them away far safer since they refuse to follow commands?

Cops don't have turn-out gear, dude. Most of the departments spring for 50-50 polyester mixes for uniforms since it's cheap as shiat. You do know what that fabric does when exposed to moderately high temperatures, right?

We get it, you're a firefighter. Nobody gives a shiat. He shouldn't have been tased for spraying a hose on his own property.

Theaetetus:BronyMedic: ... Which is pretty much only good for putting out a small grass fire.

BronyMedic: According to the article, he was in the danger zone of the fire trying to protect his freaking fence from igniting based on radiant exposure, despite repeated attempts by officers to get him to stay the fark back. With a garden hose.

... which you just said would be just fine, since he's putting out the small grass fire leading up to his freaking fence. Or are you saying that that earlier BronyMedic is wrong?

/facepalm.

The problem is not the grass on fire by his fence. You can spray water on the ground all day long with a garden hose, and the radiant heat will catch that wood on fire without even having to touch it with a flame.

The problem is the involved structure that he is right beside, and within the lethal radius of radiant/convective heat exposure, smoke, and collapse/explosion without any PPE.

Had he been harmed in any way, the police would have fully been responsible for allowing him to do so since they had command of the scene and had told him multiple times to stay back.

BronyMedic:Uh, submitter? FTFA, he was told by emergency responders on scene to stay the fark away from a fully involved structure fire. He continued to place himself, and others on scene who would have to help him, at risk of serious injury.

A garden hose ain't going to do shiat to protect an exposure, and from the range you can hit it with one, you're going to get burned without protective gear - or worse, you're either going to be caught in a flashover, or hit with smoke in the face when you take a breath.

Pediatric Flight Team Paramedic for local hospital in Memphis, PRN 911 Paramedic, and volunteer Rescue Technician. I've been doing this for about 8 years now, and love it - I was actually lucky enough to start in High School with the local Fire Department in my home town. Highly encourage anyone who lives near a volunteer department to do so.

I'd guess he does the volunteer firefighter thing. Most of the ones we have around here are adrenaline junkies that (fortunately for the rest of us) get their rocks off using the whole helping people thing as their rationale.

BronyMedic:HotWingConspiracy: BronyMedic: Uh, submitter? FTFA, he was told by emergency responders on scene to stay the fark away from a fully involved structure fire. He continued to place himself, and others on scene who would have to help him, at risk of serious injury.

So electrocuting him was the only solution. Every tool these pigs are given make them collectively dumber.

I get it. Take your hand off your cop hate dick for a moment, and use your damn head. I'm telling you this as a Firefighter, based on what is being said in the article.

BronyMedic:Uh, submitter? FTFA, he was told by emergency responders on scene to stay the fark away from a fully involved structure fire. He continued to place himself, and others on scene who would have to help him, at risk of serious injury.

Yes, I can see how that completely justifies firing a potentially deadly weapon at him. How dare he try to save his own home! That bastard!