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A second team in Toronto is a stupid idea and I personally hope it never happens. Alot of fans in the area yes, but they are either leafs fans or fans of other teams. i think one pretty bad team is enough for us torontonians thank you very much

Second team would make almost as much as the Leafs, Hamilton as you say too far to attract Toronto fans, . Anyway believe it or not it's the Sabres that will kill off any Hamilton team.

Funny how that works apparently all MLSE owners past present and future would kill any Hamilton bid for a team, yet all Sabre owners past and present are ok with it.

I still want to know why a billionaire and his private business partners need public funds to make this happen. They clearly have the money needed to build their own arena completely independent of public financing, so why don't they? Do they believe that, in the absence of public funding, a major arena in Markham won't be profitable in the long term? I suspect that the town's eagerness (11-2 vote) to go ahead with the project is just the result of politicians and others eager to attach their name to a big, visible, impressive project, regardless of the costs and benefits.

Because without a team it may only make financial sense to spend $325 million. Besides getting someone else to put up half the money you double your return on investment.

Second team would make almost as much as the Leafs, Hamilton as you say too far to attract Toronto fans, . Anyway believe it or not it's the Sabres that will kill off any Hamilton team.

Funny how that works apparently all MLSE owners past present and future would kill any Hamilton bid for a team, yet all Sabre owners past and present are ok with it.

Actually 2nd team in Toronto (GTA.) will not make no where near as much money as the leafs would in fact they would lose money because there is so much compition in Toronto (GTA.) in the sports & entertainment market . Like the Leafs , Raptors , Marlies , Rock , Steelheads , Battalion , Argonauts , Blue Jays , Racetracks & not to mention all the Theaters , Concert halls , Amphitheatres & a future Casino & Resort . Toronto (GTA.) just can not support or handle a 2nd NHL. team because they just don't have the population for it & lets be honest Toronto (GTA.) is no New York , Los Angeles or Chicago that have the populations in the 10's of millions to handle & support mulitble teams in the same sport Toronto (GTA.) dose not .

Actually 2nd team in Toronto (GTA.) will not make no where near as much money as the leafs would in fact they would lose money because there is so much compition in Toronto (GTA.) in the sports & entertainment market . Like the Leafs , Raptors , Marlies , Rock , Steelheads , Battalion , Argonauts , Blue Jays , Racetracks & not to mention all the Theaters , Concert halls , Amphitheatres & a future Casino & Resort . Toronto (GTA.) just can not support or handle a 2nd NHL. team because they just don't have the population for it & lets be honest Toronto (GTA.) is no New York , Los Angeles or Chicago that have the populations in the 10's of millions to handle & support mulitble teams in the same sport Toronto (GTA.) dose not .

there is too much demand for hockey in the GTA for one team to satisfy it. Also, there are enough anti-Leafs Torontonians to fill a second arena to have a second fan base. Lastly, with all the transplants around the GTA there will be plenty of people who want to see NHL games but don't want to pay Leafs prices. The problem you would run into is there would always be plenty of opposing teams fans in the arena

there is too much demand for hockey in the GTA for one team to satisfy it. Also, there are enough anti-Leafs Torontonians to fill a second arena to have a second fan base. Lastly, with all the transplants around the GTA there will be plenty of people who want to see NHL games but don't want to pay Leafs prices. The problem you would run into is there would always be plenty of opposing teams fans in the arena

I agree with this post 100 %. I live in the GTA, but hate the Leafs. I would never pay a dime for any of their merchandise and never attend Leafs games. I am an Oilers fan and a few times a year I fly to Edmonton for Oilers games. I also attend junior (OHL) games for the Steelheads, the Battalion, and sometimes the Barrie Colts. I have been to a few Marlies games when the Oilers farm team is in town. However, if Toronto was to get a second NHL team I would likely adopt them as my second favourite team and would attend a good number of games and buy merchandise. My kids would likely grow up as fans of this second GTA team as well.

I agree with this post 100 %. I live in the GTA, but hate the Leafs. I would never pay a dime for any of their merchandise and never attend Leafs games. I am an Oilers fan and a few times a year I fly to Edmonton for Oilers games. I also attend junior (OHL) games for the Steelheads, the Battalion, and sometimes the Barrie Colts. I have been to a few Marlies games when the Oilers farm team is in town. However, if Toronto was to get a second NHL team I would likely adopt them as my second favourite team and would attend a good number of games and buy merchandise. My kids would likely grow up as fans of this second GTA team as well.

If you don't mind me asking how old are you? I only ask because I am 37 and when I was a kid in Richmond Hill it seemed like everyone was an Oilers fan (pre-dynasty). I moved to the states and lost touch with hockey for a while before getting back into it in 96 and so I went back to being an Oilers fan, unfortunately missing the dynasty. I just came back to Toronto 28 years later and the Leafs still suck, but it seems like they have more fans than they did back then

I agree with this post 100 %. I live in the GTA, but hate the Leafs. I would never pay a dime for any of their merchandise and never attend Leafs games. I am an Oilers fan and a few times a year I fly to Edmonton for Oilers games. I also attend junior (OHL) games for the Steelheads, the Battalion, and sometimes the Barrie Colts. I have been to a few Marlies games when the Oilers farm team is in town. However, if Toronto was to get a second NHL team I would likely adopt them as my second favourite team and would attend a good number of games and buy merchandise. My kids would likely grow up as fans of this second GTA team as well.

The fundamental problem of a second team in T.O lies exactly in this statement... Greater Torontoans ( lol ) have already favorite teams if not the leafs, the habs, sens, oilers, bruins, pens... The team would probably attract fan-fare but not more than Ottawa imo, probably less in fact.

If you don't mind me asking how old are you? I only ask because I am 37 and when I was a kid in Richmond Hill it seemed like everyone was an Oilers fan (pre-dynasty). I moved to the states and lost touch with hockey for a while before getting back into it in 96 and so I went back to being an Oilers fan, unfortunately missing the dynasty. I just came back to Toronto 28 years later and the Leafs still suck, but it seems like they have more fans than they did back then

I am 29, but I did not grow up in the GTA. I am like the many thousands of others who moved here from the Maritimes for work after university.

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The fundamental problem of a second team in T.O lies exactly in this statement... Greater Torontoans ( lol ) have already favorite teams if not the leafs, the habs, sens, oilers, bruins, pens... The team would probably attract fan-fare but not more than Ottawa imo, probably less in fact.

I fail to see how this would be a problem. Of course hockey fans already have a favourite team. That's only logical. Do you think that existing hockey fans in every market didn't already have a favourite team when the league expanded to their city? Even cities like Edmonton, Calgary, and as you mentioned Ottawa have had this issue. To this day a lot of the older people in these cities are still Leafs or Habs fans.

The point I was making is that I would go to games and spend money on the team merchandise. I can also see how a number of people in my peer group would do the same. Because of this, in about a decade or so there would logically be a bunch of young fans of the new team as most likely the majority of our children would grow up to be fans of the new team as we all know that the team you root for tends to get passed down from one generation to the next.

I don't think the NHL. has any intrest in putting a 2nd team in Toronto for the same reasons I said yesterday also I belive if & when the NHL. puts a 2nd team in southern ontario its going to be in area that MLSE. can live with , where the most demand is & is also in a centrelized location where everyone in all the unserved markets can get to & I can only think of 1 location that fits all 3 & that place is Hamilton not Markham in my opinion Toronto (GTA.) is just being greedy & is attempting to bite off more than they can chew . In this persons opinion I hope they choke on it & all the people of Markham are left with is a 400 million dollar white elephant & if they where smart they won't build it because there is no way MLSE. will allow a 2nd NHL. team to take root there .

I don't think the NHL. has any intrest in putting a 2nd team in Toronto for the same reasons I said yesterday also I belive if & when the NHL. puts a 2nd team in southern ontario its going to be in area that MLSE. can live with , where the most demand is & is also in a centrelized location where everyone in all the unserved markets can get to & I can only think of 1 location that fits all 3 & that place is Hamilton not Markham in my opinion Toronto (GTA.) is just being greedy & is attempting to bite off more than they can chew . In this persons opinion I hope they choke on it & all the people of Markham are left with is a 400 million dollar white elephant & if they where smart they won't build it because there is no way MLSE. will allow a 2nd NHL. team to take root there .

Thats where your wrong I do not have any sense entitlement mentality & by no means a spokesman for the city of Hamilton & just stateing the fact that Hamilton makes more economic sense to put a 2nd NHL. team in southern ontario given that Hamilton is in a centrelized location that can serve just not the Hamilton area but the Niagara region & southwestern Ontario thats where the demand is not Toronto (GTA.) . On the topic of sense of entitlement mentality Toronto (GTA.) has had that kind of mentality since forever they think they should have everything from an NFL. team , a Casino , 2nd NHL. team ect. & everybody else should just accept it & even somtimes pay for it & that is why everybody outside of Toronto (GTA.) hates them .

Thats where your wrong I do not have any sense entitlement mentality & by no means a spokesman for the city of Hamilton & just stateing the fact that Hamilton makes more economic sense to put a 2nd NHL. team in southern ontario given that Hamilton is in a centrelized location that can serve just not the Hamilton area but the Niagara region & southwestern Ontario thats where the demand is not Toronto (GTA.) . On the topic of sense of entitlement mentality Toronto (GTA.) has had that kind of mentality since forever they think they should have everything from an NFL. team , a Casino , 2nd NHL. team ect. & everybody else should just accept it & even somtimes pay for it & that is why everybody outside of Toronto (GTA.) hates them .

No one cares enough about sports in this country. The city of Toronto has nothing to do with this plan.

Thats where your wrong I do not have any sense entitlement mentality & by no means a spokesman for the city of Hamilton & just stateing the fact that Hamilton makes more economic sense to put a 2nd NHL. team in southern ontario given that Hamilton is in a centrelized location that can serve just not the Hamilton area but the Niagara region & southwestern Ontario thats where the demand is not Toronto (GTA.) . On the topic of sense of entitlement mentality Toronto (GTA.) has had that kind of mentality since forever they think they should have everything from an NFL. team , a Casino , 2nd NHL. team ect. & everybody else should just accept it & even somtimes pay for it & that is why everybody outside of Toronto (GTA.) hates them .

I am of the mind set that both a second GTA team and Hamilton are feasible. Markham is far enough north of downtown Toronto that it won't impact Hamilton at all. The GTA is sprawling decidedly northward as such Markham makes sense for the future.

Remember a few months back the conference board of canada put out report saying the only NHL. markets left in Canada are Hamilton & Quebec City & a 2nd team in Toronto (GTA.) would be difficult to make happen given the costs ect. . But on the other hand some business experts are saying that there will be a team in Hamilton & 2nd team in Toronto within the next 10 years & if thats the case Quebec City & Hamilton will get teams before even think about putting a 2nd Toronto (GTA.) .