Google suspends Android updates and support for Huawei, Intel & Microsoft join in

With devices like its recent P30 Pro flagship smartphone Huawei has managed to established itself as one of the prime manufacturers and a major innovator in the mobile imaging space within a very short period of time.

However, it looks like the company's meteoric rise could be slowed significantly over the coming months. Over the weekend Reuters reported that the maker of the Android mobile operating system that runs on pretty much all Huawei mobile devices, will stop working with Huawei on future Android updates and device certifications. The move is a reaction to an executive order signed by US president Donald Trump and a resulting U.S. Commerce Department blacklist which prohibits US companies to do business with certain foreign entities, including Huawei.

Huawei is accused by the Trump accusation to work with the Chinese Government to install backdoors in its network equipment for spying purposes.

Companies on the blacklist are barred from purchasing equipment from U.S. companies without prior government approval. Previously Huawei devices had already been dropped by US network carriers under political pressure. Huawei is accused by the Trump accusation to work with the Chinese Government to install backdoors in its network equipment for spying purposes. However, no proof of such practices has been published so far.

The latest development is problematic for Huawei's device division in so far that it relies on Google for access to closed portions of the Android OS and the Play Services suite. The latter has to be approved for each new Android device. According to the reports Play Services won't be removed from existing devices but no new certifications will be issued.

That said, Huawei will be able to continue to use Android's open-source components. The company uses Android's open source libraries (AOSP) to build the core codebase for its EMUI mobile platform and release software updates in China, where Google Play services are not available.

Huawei has issued an official response to the developments, saying it will continue to provide security updates to all Huawei and Honor devices:

'Huawei has made substantial contributions to the development and growth of Android around the world. As one of Android's key global partners, we have worked closely with their open-source platform to develop an ecosystem that has benefitted both users and the industry.

Huawei will continue to provide security updates and after-sales services to all existing Huawei and Honor smartphone and tablet products, covering those that have been sold and that are still in stock globally.

We will continue to build a safe and sustainable software ecosystem, in order to provide the best experience for all users globally.

Plus, nothing has changed for HONOR. We will be having our exciting launch event tomorrow in London for HONOR 20 Series.'

Google has also confirmed that Google Play services and Play Protect will continue to work on existing Huawei devices via a tweet:

For Huawei users' questions regarding our steps to comply w/ the recent US government actions: We assure you while we are complying with all US gov't requirements, services like Google Play & security from Google Play Protect will keep functioning on your existing Huawei device.

Today a range of other US companies have joined Google in severing ties with Huawei. According to a report by Bloomberg Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom will stop supplying their chips and modems to Huawei. Nikkei reports the same for German chipmaker Infineon Technologies and US memory chip suppliers Micron Technology and Western Digital. There is no word from Microsoft yet but the software company is expected to cease supply of its Windows operating system for Huawei's range of laptops.

Huawei is quite well protected against some of those impacts as the company is designing and manufacturing chipsets, modems and many other components in-house. It is also reported that the company has been stockpiling chips from US suppliers in anticipation of the current events. Supplies are said to last three months which hopefully should be enough time to solve the situation.

No one could present any evidence that Huawei's devices are not secure. However, Snowden had proven that Apple, Google, Microsoft colluded with the US spy agencies to provide backdoor to listen to users. Even German Chancellor Merkel's iPhone were spied on.

I think the reason US is against Huawei is because it could not put backdoors on Huawei's devices to spy on users.

Huawei has its own WAPI which is more secure than Wifi and compatible with Wifi.

Huawei has been preparing for this day with its own semiconductor subsidiary producing all the chips it needs.

Huawei also has backup OS called the Ark to replace Android. It is compatible with Android and based on the open source option of Android.

Huawei with 1 billion users in China would make the Ark a competitor to Google's Android. Google currently receive hundreds of millions of royalty fees from Huawei for the use of Google's Android. This is why Google has petitioned to Trump to not impose sanction.

Yes, we dance based on leader of the "free" world, that has been spied on its own citizens for decades. Now when tide is turned it is all China and Russia's fault. While US invest in weapon systems, China (another "free" society) invest (and spy too) to technology. If EVERYONE is spying on EVERYONE I have no issue with China spying on me sitting on a toilet, when I know NSA is doing it already, it is one small world after all. Data is saved on servers somewhere in US wherever my telephone data is stored for decades. Facebook data is stored for 12 years on their servers. Google will allow to "pause" (next day gets turned on what a joke) location history, that is also stored for decades. They know for each day of your life did you walk drive of took public transportation...so no escape in a free world.

this is the way USA do when they cant build 5g and phones ,the real spy is them self ..Snowden is banned because hi show how USA spy on ordinary people in the hole world...China huawie can live on they have big market in their own country

UK: Two mobile networks:"Britain, two of the country’s biggest mobile networks, EE and Vodafone, announced that they would stop offering Huawei phones to 5G customers as a result of Google’s decision."

Seems the ban on Huawei is inevitable as it is only a pawn (or a knight?) in the clash between the two nations. The US had long carefully planned its military might across Asia surrounding China. There is no reason China should not give in ...?A video by Pulitzer winner John Pilger "The coming war on China" https://vimeo.com/277975923

re: Mike BS from ChuckTa not-from-mainland-China.I wouldn't mind but I don't think I have the strength for it. And how is Jack Ma relevant here?Could you reply to John Pligers video instead? It leads to the reason why there is a clash between USA and China.

Last time, a week after US issued sanctions on china ZTE, Taiwan President singed executive order - Taiwan join the US sanctions on ZTE too.

Now, Taiwan President did not do anything yet.

Why b/c US soon left part of the sanctions for 90 days to let huawei to buy MORE THAN enough spare parts for huawei's current telecom network world wide & huawei's phone/handset to avoid these Telecom companies out of service one after other and Huawei's smart phone having no spare parts for repairing...

90 days is decent amount of the time for Huawei & China government to think about what's next, such as:

- Will Taiwan President singed executive order - Taiwan join the US

- More sanctions? if Chins Xi decide fight back hard for current huawei's sanctions.

Back to the Key point, yes huawei is well known for cheat, lie, steal and spy, but huawei has to ask some one to make this chips such as ARM's Chips and more.

There is also Risc-V which is an open source and big names like Google , Huawei, and Nvidia is building its next gen Falcon using Risc V.My guess is Huawei will continue to use its Kirin 985 for the near future (the license is brought already) and try to develop Risc V for Kirin 985 replacement. Huawei can try to stretch Kirn 985 for 2 or 3 gen to buy its time. We'll see how that turns out.But Mike (wow, first time in agreement, fireworks pls) has a point here if TSMC or even Sony stop making Huawei chip/sensor. Then Huawei don't really have any option left.

Q: Android-less phone will kill huawei in outside of the mainland of china, but as a government owned company, will huawei's government kills google too?

A:Yes & No

"Yes", they can and they will kill Google.

"No", not this time b/c China already killed Google 5 years ago among with other "about 10,000 domain names are blocked in mainland China"

Long list:=======

"Websites blocked in mainland China"

"As of September 2018, about 10,000 domain names are blocked in mainland China under the country's Internet censorship policy,[1] which prevents users from accessing proscribed websites from within the country.

the US government is doing exactly what they allege the chinese government had done, abusing government power to punish a competitor who their own companies can't compete with. this show the true color of the trump administration.

"The U.S. government on Monday temporarily eased some trade restrictions imposed last week on China’s Huawei, a move that sought to minimize disruption for the telecom company’s customers around the world.

The U.S. Commerce Department will allow Huawei Technologies to purchase American-made goods in order to maintain existing networks and provide software updates to existing Huawei handsets."

The whole world gets to see the true color of Americans and what they call free market. Everything is fine as long as American companies are dominating the market but otherwise the foreign products must be banned completely. Every country needs to ring alarms about the operating system they are depending on in the governments and on their phones, cause American government can use this as a weapon to force on an unfair trade pact. Huawei won't be the last company to suffer the situation, who is the next, Toyota, Volkswagen or DJI?

Nothing is for free in this world, even the freedom you’re enjoying behind your computer isn’t for free. These billion dollar companies all knew what they were getting into by agreeing to use “free” software from Americans. Come on smarten up.

Vodafone found a vulnerability in Huawei's firmware that they first *pretended to fix*, and when later exposed that it was still open, *refused to fix*, and Vodafone decides to go on using Huawei because they're cheap. Talk about trustworthy. Talk about dependence. Go look up the incident.

It is amusing to me to see people who are so deathly afraid of change. After decades of complaining about America protecting the high seas and enabling world commerce people are getting a taste of the new world as America steps back from that.

This world system was put into place 70 years ago. The core of the international system during the Cold War was the Americans’ support of the global trade and security order. The Americans agreed to provide global and regional security to their allies in exchange for deference on security matters. When issues of economic import rose to prominence, the Americans tended to give way. When issues of strategic import rose to prominence, the Americans tended to get their way because that was the deal.

Peter Zeihan: This arrangement froze geopolitics as previously independent countries were pulled into a massive, interconnected system because of not only America’s overwhelming economic and military power, but also the power of the alliance structure it controlled. This was such a powerful force that it even pulled in America’s enemies one-by-one and allowed them to rise, fueled on exports. In the process, the US made the global economy dependent on the relatively free flow of goods, people, and money while also alleviating the need for the large militaries that defined the first half of the 20th Century. In other words, the US and its alliance shifted every global system that mattered for literally every country in the world.

Peter Zeihan: There is no replacement for US power, economic or military. “Europe” as a concept, China, and Russia are all in existential struggles and each of them is likely to lose. There is no alternate reserve currency. There is no one who can react to any event anywhere in the world like the US can. The Americans are leaving a power vacuum and we know what happens in power vacuums.

I agree with Henry Richardson ... the world owes America. Let America do what and however it wanted by stopping China from intellectual piracy and allow America to outsource dirty manufacturing processes to China for cheap WalMart retail prices in return because if it were to be produced in America it will desecrate their environment and they cannot afford the product they produce themselves.

The world is happy that coal-fired power production is now allowed so is oil drilling and not allowing clean energy. America should be in equal footing with China.

Peter Zeihan: The Americans created, supported, subsidized, and maintained the global order since the end of World War II. Under that order the industrialized world in general and the other G7 countries in specific have done very well for themselves, rebuilding after the war’s devastation in an environment of absolute physical security.

The Bretton Woods strategy is notable in American diplomatic history in that it had no counterpoint. No other policy oscillated with it. Bretton Woods was both bipartisan and served as the norm for seven decades. But longevity and broad support are not the same thing as sustainability or permanence. The world is changed since the Cold War’s end, and now – belatedly and until now piecemeal – the Americans are finally changing with it.

Peter Zeihan: Trump’s foreign-policy beliefs are not a bug in the American system, they are a feature. Under Trump the Americans are firmly – finally – abandoning Bretton Woods, and in doing so flirting with all four of their pre-Bretton Woods foreign policies.

Courtesy of the G7 show this past Saturday, I think they get it now. I think America’s closest allies realize the shift in the White House is, indeed, real. I think they understand Trump is not bluffing. I think they’ve internalized that Trump’s rhetoric is the American position. I think they finally believe Bretton Woods will not magically regenerate when Trump is gone.

And that means it is high time for the allies to figure out where they fit into the scared new world that is tumbling open right in front of them.

... problem was, chinese refused to opensource their back doors, with the backdoors from all the US companies ....because they didnt really have one. They do have weapons of mass destruction though. Always hilarious when US accuses another country of espionage, or attempting to influence politics.

Oh, BTW, her farther says she is very happy in BC Canada. his daughter is taking 8 classes for getting PHD degree, and spent rest of time to shopping & dining out b/c the she can freely go to any places with 100 miles during Home arrest.

YUP! I can see WHY she isn't all that worried about living in Vancouver! Right now it's mostly sunny, 19 C, a pleasant enough day to walk around the Stanley Park seawall and then going out for some decent Sushi and finally shop-til-ya-drop at the local LVMH and Tiffany's store (Louis Vitton, Moet, Hennessy) for a $7200 CAN handbag or $2000 pair of shoes AND a diamond-encrusted Huaweii P30 phone!

Sooooooo, if you do get arrested and then bounded-out with a restricted-to-100 km radius bounds, then YES Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada is CERTAINLY a nice enough city to spend your time in!.

Huawei's first daughter's two 24/7 body guard team cost over $2 million per year, not to mention the cost for the best of the best lawyers.

As see from the recent news that Huawei's daughter is asking for more freedom as 100 km radius bounds seems too small.

Anyway, she world not allowed to go to Paris to see her billion$ teen sister whom "chosen to perform the opening waltz at Le Bal des Débutantes in Paris.

While Le Bal des Debutantes in Paris each year is a nod to the tradition of young society ladies entering the elite social scene of Europe, these days it courts modern debutantes, aged 16 to 21, who are chosen for their looks, brains and famous parents – prominent in business, entertainment and politics."

BTW, most, if not all, of CORE Chinese communist party members' Billion$ kids are not live in china. but not too many can be ""chosen to perform the opening waltz at Le Bal des Débutantes in Paris".

Wan Li's granddaughter is one as Wang Li is served successively:- as Vice Premier, - Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPC), - member of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Secretariat and its Politburo.

Interesting enough, while their parents and grandparents tell all regular Chinese how bad is western countries, how bad is western countries cultures, especially how bad of US while all theirs $Billions$ kids are...

It would be very nice indeed to be able to make fun of the Chinese government in China , in the same way like how Americans can freely joke about Mr Trump. But I disagree how you define Chinese government as dictatorship. It they were, they are a failure in dictating. wouldnt have made life better for most Chinese in the past few decades. it may surprise you. Most mainlanders actually are happy with their government coz they get things done and raise living standard. Of course you may wanna say they are just brainwashed. It's up to you what you wanna believe.

No wonder Chinese are smart because their government bans these social medium. Instead of social media Chinese students gather in circle books in hand what the Chinese call study media or group study for group think.

Americans too busy watching porn and sexting. ... and their teachers? Oh, they are having sex with their students. Then get blackmailed for higher grades or else.

Perhaps the only fatal Mistake by the author is that he views the Chinese the same as the Americans in terms of ambition. The fact is that most Chinese only care about doing business and making more money. They might want to dominate the world but it's only with their products or services rather than guns and military bases.

White House leaks like a sieve. When Donald Trump Chief of Staff had everyone surrender their phones before doing their work he realized they are all made in China. This time no more leaks in the White House.

Leaving your phones at the door has been SOP in high level security briefings for decades now. What wasn't SOP is having to dumb the briefings all down with lots of pictures and frequent flattering references to His Orangeness, in order to bribe him into even attending these meetings.

Wow. Just read the news about DJI may get banned too. Trump is for sure making the Chinese brands famous again. Many people will now come to know huawei and dji, and when the trade war ends , their sales will explode thanks to Trump's free advertising.

DJI and Huawei are colluding with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is their advertiser-in-chief. Non-Americans are now wanting to have Huawei and its internet backbone network because they wanted China to know what they are doing and photos they are sharing.

People never knew that Huawei supplies the worlds 5G and internet hardwares until Donald Trump advertised it to the world. Now Americans know that their country is 4G while the rest are 5G. Geee, now Americans are clamoring for 5G that their network cannot give because upgrading to 5G requires tons of money they cannot give.

They also have come to realize that the camera in Huawei is a red dot with capital L.

Every American now knows China target their tariff on America's agri-businesses that they are not planted by Mexicans but by white Americans. And Walmart is where Americans can find anything Made-in-China then realized that they cannot afford to buy Made-in-USA

We used to make lots of things here til the Capitalists realized they could simultaneously make us Americans dread the Red Menace, while outsourcing our manufacturing for slave wages to said Red Menace.

the managers of trumps actions are using the silly reputation as a bully [ fully deserved unless amounts north of a few dollars are at stake , then he will wrap lips over anus faster that the most embarassing drumph \putin moments ] to gain leverage in trade war 2.0 where he will sell out agra \ microchip\ pharma interests to give apple a political moment ... all pre ordined concieved and measures for effect and blowback ... the people who are regularly screwed know whats coming, starting with independent farmers ,... independent urbanites , last to suffer , top corporate dog with thedeepest pockets

Compuserve. Or was Genie first..? Remember when you could buy a VIC=20 and matching 300 baud modem at any K Mart for $299 and get online? Revolutionary at the time, and Commodore beat Apple to the million unit mark by several months of 1983, even tho the Apple II came out in 1977 and the VIC=20 in 1980.

My issue with Android is it is open source. People comes in with their great big idea and write a code then upload it to my phone. iPhone does not update their OS often because it is not meant for geeks.

@Mariano I don't think you understand what open source means. People cannot just "write a code then upload it on your phone". In situations like these being open source is the only saving grace, it's something companies cannot use to hit others and customers with. All modern infrastructure should use open source code.

And with 'real' open source; it REALLY needs its "stable" tier section for you to upgrade from; because "testing" level stuff should not be done on your MAIN system or phone, even if you want to test stuff. If you have a life then just run "stable". This is what F-Driod is doing wrong; unlike good GNU/Linux distribution sets (the OS plus a lot more at install and one click package management to add more). Veterans, try Debian stable on a fast spare hard drive.

(HOWEVER complete newbies should start with "Linux Mint" w/Mate with much more completely finished apps and setup, after installing. Also download the MATCHED version to your 32bit or 64bit CPU, or you may wonder why your USB boot stick just does nothing. Get the easy app there, to write the USB correctly, from your properly selected OS download. All free to you.)

Unfortunately; most folks from the closed app world think they should select a 'testing' tier, to stay away from outdated apps. But they miss 'stable' daily upgrades.

Of course the good stuff can't completely be had on phones. That is one of my main points about phone hardware being more closed off. Incompatible. Worse with Apple. You get what they dictate or you get nothing. This is the problem with sheep. If you prefer your freedoms stripped for the pretense of security then you get neither. Hey that's a cool saying. Sadly we ONLY have neither with phones. And folks don't seem to even know it.

No. IOS is not secure; just because Apple claims it. That too is not a theory.

Behind trade issues and more importantly network spying, by closed devices; there's another very real issue, you are missing.

Google's Android is the best tested and widespread phone OS we have; but this is a big problem. Some people know Android is really built on a Linux Kernel and base Operating System; but don't be tricked. It is not really a safer and open GNU/Linux OS; due to Google CLOSED changes. Android then is all Google. Most Android phones can't even use YOUR own administrator login (super user/root), to your own phone! So you can't make technical OS decisions; like run a more secure OS parts or stop known issues. Different CLOSED, incompatible phone device standards also.

That said; the real issue is China not using Google Play Store. We know China spys. But you're missing Play Store spys, controls your choices and is far and away from the safety of an open Linux app manager (dpkg). Linux parts; yet Google ruined openness.

Another issue we are missing here if there are only Android & iOS to choose from the world is doomed to surrender on their knees. If China have their own they'd be spying incessantly as if America's NSA not spying on everybody else.

Yes and that's duopoly. While others exist; not popularized and so tested and fixed world wide. It's a chicken and the egg thing and the problem is absolutely education.

The tech industry learned (as it grew) that the general public will in fact give up their freedoms once security issues actually happen to them, or just for ease of use. Either real or just imagined ease of use. Real ease of use is VERY important; but is your convenience worth your security? Cross that bridge when you come to it? Opps; now you know why your data privacy is out of control. NSA knows anyway? Well so do you admit giving up your stuff for convenience was a mistake; whether or not you do anything about it now? Have you considered; if your government is trusted with your privacy then they ALWAYS loose YOUR data to other countries hacking? Cyber war is now. Not a theory. There is ALWAYS something you can do. The problem is we don't, until a loss. And we can't even always see when privacy is gone. Now what?

Therefore; buyers need to call for completely open phones. Compatibility like the PC compatible of old. But buyers don't even know what that is or believe why they need it. Nor do they understand; cell companies can get into your phone data; by design. They don't even have to hack it. And they are under your government. So, is your data. Which is always stolen by other governments; absolutely. Few knowing until much later. People are always shocked when suddenly in a great war. But again; or just a cyber war. Which we've been informed and yet pretend not. Do you think your data security will not matter then?

So NOT having a real choice for both open hardware and a open OS and it's apps, on phones and with Google and Apple scrapping your data then yes; it means you gave up your choice and need it back.

Ask and phone user interface development will get to stable and mated with total GNU/Linux OS sets for your phones. Require all the systems you buy to be with open devices.

BECAUSE we need the combonation of a pocket camera from our phones without giving into closed devices. In other-words we don't want our cameras threatening our data security. We don't want to choose between good benefit combos (The only purpose of a smart phone) as dangerous or else old school cams without data/phone connection.

And I hope that shows you why (your choice) closed operating systems made things much worse. And how they know exactly what they are doing to make closed computers/phones. And that is with closed internal devices. To lock you in and take away your choices. Always cost more later(Sony) and include planned obsolescence as well. So you have to buy much more often, as they raise the price commensurate to the more people who are also locked-in. A true monopoly is born.

It's a sin tax. Your baser instincts run amok. The lie is ease of use means you need not bother with education. All the while you could have had extreme ease of use WITH security in combination. It wasn't the instruction manual or help screen you avoided. It was why security education matters; OVER perceived convenience, a sale, what's popular etc.. Is being hacked convenient? Ease of use requires stability; does it not? You could have had both. The question is; will you have no less now? Only together will that change.

And for that matter, is China's level of spying even close to what Facebook does? Messenger's spyware makes the NSA's stuff look like Fisher-Price.. but everyone just plunks messenger on their phone because "it's easy." ICQ was easy.

I'm a lot less worried about China than I am about US Corporate data mining interests.

Jimmy Carter: He said Trump told him that he is particularly concerned about how China is "getting ahead of us."

"And do you know why?" Carter said. "I normalized diplomatic relations with China in 1979. Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody? None. And we have stayed at war," he said.

Carter said the United States is "the most warlike nation in the history of the world" due to a desire to impose American values on other countries, and he suggested that China is investing its resources into projects such as high-speed railroads instead of defense spending.

"How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?"

Zero

"We have wasted, I think, $3 trillion," Carter said, referring to American military spending. "China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that's why they're ahead of us. In almost every way.

Having lived in the west for more than a decade, i still find it funny to see the media keep saying 2 conflicting things:China is about the collapseChina is getting too strongI don't know which one is true, but I guess the hypocrites just choose either one of those theories based on the propaganda they want to brainwash their people with

Enormous ? USA has more weapons and military powers than the rest of the world combined + Cybertron. Lol . China is spending on defense whilst USA spends on war. china is also strategically very weak because they are surrounded by US ALLIES and multiple USA military bases. Where have you found a Chinese one near USA ?

The propaganda about China being about to collapse or getting too strong, kinda like the propaganda here of lazy immigrants either on welfare.. or coming here to take our jobs. Both are utter bull-shot.

While I'm so glad that I held off from buying P30 Pro and decided to wait until the second half of this year for new phones to come out, it's extremely disappointing that we are now about to lose a phone company which focuses on a camera more than anybody else in the same industry. If they didn't exist other phone manufacturers wouldn't have cared this much about still image quality and developed advanced machine-learning-driven image processing to pull out as much light and detail as possible from tiny sensor they used. It was after P20 Pro that Apple developed Smart HDR and Google came up with Night Sight in order to overcome the physical limitation of the sensor in low light scenario. Mate 20 Pro forced Samsung to put long-awaited UWA lens on their flagship. I'm not here to defend Huawei's IP thefts in the past - but it is the undeniable fact that they made some serious contribution to the smartphone industry, especially in the camera department.

isn't auto HDR start by Google pixel?night sight can't just come out a few months after p20 pro in a hurry, it must have been under development for some timeas to ultrawide, LG do it first for a few years already

I'm saying that Huawei started the whole concept of handheld pseudo long-exposure HDR for night time shot using AI. In fact the regular HDR+ processing uses very short shutter speed to reduce motion blur even in low light and in many cases produces a noisier image than algorithms that other companies use, which is exactly the opposite of what Huawei's Night Mode does. Night Sight uses a lot longer shutter speed just like Night Mode, and the same goes for the similar modes developed by Oppo, Oneplus, Xiaomi, Samsung etc. And in case you're wondering Night Mode is essentially HDR+ with pixel shift super resolution and longer exposure.As for the the UWA lens - Yes, LG did it first, but their processing sucked and so was the image quality, and big companies didn't bother putting one on their phones because they didn't see the potential of UWA lens until Mate 20 Pro came out. Here, Huawei influenced other companies and now Samsung, Xiaomi and Oppo are doing it.

To be fair, I still think Google's Night Sight is overall superior to and more sophisticated than Huawei's Night Mode algorithmically. But I'm talking about who set the trend, not who's currently doing the best.

i have p30 pro and i think the night mode is amazingfor the main camera it rarely have serious handshake problemi doubt google night sight can be better than hauweibut who start this night mode or night sight thing first? Is it Hauwei?

but i believe Google regular HDR treatment on all pics maybe superior to hauweii believe (but maybe i am wrong) google start this HDR first and not hauwei

Is there actual evidence of spying installed on Huawei products? I'm no legal expert, but it sounds very anti-competitive to force companies to restrict their business options and partners. This is constitutional?

1. Closed devices (that you can't upgrade with open fixes) spying is not a theory.

2. The concern is China cheating companies of the world, by zero legal restrictions. They're cloners.

I have different take though. Instead of forcing them to follow our stupid, made-up IP laws. A house of cards. Never going to happen. And where only monopolies miss use courts, to monopolize (Payoffs! Less competition is bad for you dear buyers) and hinder a free enterprise, sink or swim process. Where for a change; someone might actually care more about the users product improvement ideas. Or tell me again about all the great USA cameras! We need to eliminate our OWN red tape and not just talk about it. But this requires workers to really change their thinking. Not how they can sue; but how they can WORK thankfully (not grudgingly) to make quality and value products to compete WORLD-WIDE.

3. We should shut up and support our top leaders, dealing with complex trade wars. Even if you voted otherwise.

All Governments ignore spying within their countries when companies do it with their blessing. They object to spying by other companies because those have the blessing of another Government.

You will find articles in established newspapers - and probably DPR - about 'unidentified' towers around Washington, that are not owned by any of the mobile companies. The theory is that they pretend to be mobile towers and spy on devices that try to connect to them. News about such towers came up suddenly and died down just as quickly. Nobody talks about them anymore. Draw your own conclusions from it ;-)

In this case, the Huawei spying issue is part of a larger dispute with the Chinese Government. Without going into debate of stealing of technology and IP, this company has already surpassed so called mainstream PC makers and phone makers. Look at their laptop specs on B&H.

"but it sounds very anti-competitive to force companies to restrict their business options and partners. This is constitutional?"China banned Facebook and Google there unless they come up with their own version of censorship and forced tech transfer under the watch of the Communist government but no one in the west ever criticized this anti competitive practice since then. So how is this different from the US just playing their game? Hypocritical much?

Excellent points. We do have to remind ourselves to tend security, fight lock-in products and not only go by specs and "sales" alone. What about character? Trust, you know? But it's not easy. Like preventing gum disease. LOL. Ask anyone with false teeth how much fun it is. Or it's like stopping smoking.

Stop SMOKING the Kool-Aid. LOL.

As example: Take your absolute best laptop or desktop (or borrow) and http://linuxmint.com and get the Mate one for working on more systems; fast. You'll see. A with a second drive (keep ALL the software/OS you have) it is easiest. Many free photo apps are best here. Much more. Hit's the ground running HARD. If you fail install just redo it. It can't be easier for an install. Never give up. never surrender. If not technical then just bring a friend. Done. 24/7 Internet guides; don't forget.

@CarpentersEye US workers worked and not grudgingly, when unions were mediating a third of the workforce in this country (circa 1970) and it's amazing how motivated workers are to produce quality goods, when they're treated like they're valued-given a real piece of the pie with quality pensions, healthcare and benefits and paid vacations.

Most modern American workers are being drained-productivity is at an all time high in the USA-while worker pay hasn't really increased since 1985 or thereabouts. Paid vacation? What's that?! Retirement plan=die on the job.. We work more, the 1 percent gets more, we get less and have to share our cars (Uber) and our houses (air BnB) in order to live. You know, just like we were told that OH NOES EVIL COMMUNISM would make us do, back in the '80s.

@Bolton: You spun what I said into miss treating employees. No, I am for all those things you said. But where does the money come from? Oh the 1 percent. They just poop it out their silver spoon tales. Right? Yeah that's the ticket. Those evil people we see with billions. They'll pay you not to work. Right.

Look, how about some balance. I don't think your soft peddling of communism helped any workers treatment, at all! Next thing you'll be telling us is socialism is wonderful. Well, read a book. Learn from history. And stop blaming your parents. Even if they were really bad ones. Because good or bad; you're still responsible for you. And I am one who will tell you parents should much better honor their children too.

This is about love and consequences. Not just buddies and not sex. Real love. It is not just about stopping all "hate". It is hatefulness and lack of any real, voluntary love; that's the problem. Let people have the bed they have made! Hate wickedness! LOVE does.

Uhh.. the electronics we are on right now were made by commies.. so, where are all those unions I was talking about? Not in Communist China!!

Not sure where you're getting "I blame my parents" and "The one percent will pay you not to work.. yeah, right" out of my fond remembrance of recent American history-when unions did, in fact, motivate people to work hard and produce for one of history's greatest empires-the USA.

Without our labor, the one percent *would not have their capital.* It's not Communist to want a real, fair piece of that pie. We deserve what our Boomer predecessors got.

The mirrorless-technology is a strategy to spy on everyone of us! The EVF can send the picture to any spy-agency via WLAN life, while looking through the Viewfinder. They see what we can see. This is only possible on DSLRs after the picture was taken. We should ban *mirrorless* immediately!

The scanned eye also leads to the human who took the picture. A fingerprint will be written crypted in the Exif. Ban Sony! ;)

The german or other european agencies did not find any proof yet... it seems to be more or less a tradewar. Nothing good for *any* of us. Apart from this, google would have no problem if they finally would open up all their sources. With Open Source neighter Huawei or Google had any reasons left to ban devices from updates etc...

Huawei did something to anger tRump and, like every bully who's in a position of power, he's using that power to personally get back at them. The losers wind up being all of us, and the winners? tRump's family businesses which are specifically excluded by law from the tariffs the rest of us pay.

Behind all this is Apple - they paid Trump to do this so they can get back market share. Google being hit in this game is a plus for Apple as well. Well done from an economic and political point of view (short term).

Sorry to be so direct, Franz. I think you are wrong. Apple will be another big loser. Guess how the Chinese government will react on limiting their no. 1 smartphone and consumer company? The will do the same. I assume they will strictly limit the assembly of iphones and other apple products. Trump has this for sure in his math. But doesn't care. He's forcing Huawei to stay out of the US market and Apple to return to native US production. My very personal guess...

@Hans Stuhrmann (hoffentlich nicht so stur..:-) ) China won't ban Apple because it could backfire. The issue is that the "normal" person out there just follows the pro-US propaganda and thinks China destroys everything and it's as always their fault. So many won't get any Chinese phones and buy an iphone instead as they think it's a secure device and nobody is spying on them - the very same people which use facebook, instagram and whatsapp even though we know the deal here.so Apple builds on this trust and figured out how to make profit out of it.

Except for the part where tRump cares ZERO about making things here-he can't even bring himself to pay a few cents extra per hat to have his red racist identifiers sewn together in the USA.

If he cared about making things here, those tax cuts for the wealthy would have been explicitly tied to manufacturing incentives here, as in "You either spend this money on opening factories here and paying employees a living wage, and we don't tax you-or you spend it on yachts and private jets, then we do tax you."

But the tax scam did none of that-and specifically exempted the trappings of excessive wealth from *any* taxation.

This is why you shouldn't rely on proprietary, closed-source software. Corporations control them and they can take them away. I hope this is also something people take away from these events. Also, I hope this accelerates the development of viability of Google-free Android and that Huawei starts selling their laptops with Linux.

I'd be really into a laptop that just came with Linux-that I didn't have to pay the Microsoft tax on it, then remove that bloat and install Linux instead because I want to get things done without being rolled for continual antivirus software updates and forced upgrades.

Huawai is as much spying on everybody as much as google is spying... or microsoft.. or apple... make of it what you want.Not sure google wanted this... makes more sense for the companies to be quiet about it.. like in the past.Next thing, some chinese tech company will work on an android replacement. That will harm google in the long run. And this trump bs started it all. Googles downfall in 10 years

Wishful thinking that it would harm Google in the long run. Nobody's switching to Baidu as their search engine and Youkou as their video sites - the Chinese government just monitors and controls too much information.

@awaisbilal:I don't think it's Google's decision.Once US Government gave the order, all tech companies have to limit their business relations. It's not by their choice.I don't think that the impact will be significant until the alternatives can come up with a clean/English UI and big marketing effort

Back in 2000-2002 I worked for Amiga, Incorporated and we had an Android style OS seven years before Android. maybe its time has come again and all those stock options I had, will finally be worth something..

meanwhile i watched mkbhd youtube video about it... i can recommend it.it confirmes that huawaii themselfs are working on an android replacement OS.. but without the Playstore they are missing out on the western market... as much money as they have, i think this may really cripple their groth in a big way.

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