nickbentley wrote:Really? Is it that brutal that most firms only draw from Hastings?

lol most firms draw from better schools then hastings, but San Francisco is lower on the pecking order than Hastings.

So it will be harder to land the first job, then after that, it is about experience right?

I want to work in SF, but I do not have the numbers for hastings

Honestly, search around this site, the legal profession is maybe the most prestige-whoreish profession there is. And SF is one of the hardest markets to break into. The likelihood of getting a good job out of SF is very small. And the likelihood of landing a legal job at all is not that great. And once you miss that boat it's a lot harder to get in later. Schools like San Francisco are full of grads who never actually end up work in the legal profession because they can find better paying jobs in whatever they were doing before law school. And by better paying I mean 60k.

The 60k thing is not very accurate. Solo practices can bring in more than this easily. I know a handful of lawyers that have their own practice and they can make well over 100k in the SF Bay Area.

Everyone that I know that goes to USF Law really likes the faculty, and being there.

But, USF is the weak school in the region. It is ahead of Golden Gate, but has to compete with Cal, Stanford, Hastings, Davis, Santa Clara, and the T14.

I dont like the advice "just dont go to law school because you aren't T14." You have to consider your situation.

The 60k thing is not very accurate. Solo practices can bring in more than this easily. I know a handful of lawyers that have their own practice and they can make well over 100k in the SF Bay Area.

Everyone that I know that goes to USF Law really likes the faculty, and being there.

But, USF is the weak school in the region. It is ahead of Golden Gate, but has to compete with Cal, Stanford, Hastings, Davis, Santa Clara, and the T14.

I dont like the advice "just dont go to law school because you aren't T14." You have to consider your situation.

I would shoot for Santa Clara with your numbers.

lol I wonder why you did bad on your LSAT.

"That number is wrong, because, well, I know one or two people who make more than that who has been working in the career field for a long time."

Look at the factual salary data listed on other threads you bozo.

You are going to use my LSAT score to insult me and for evidence you site a flaw in my arguement that you are making yourself:

"That number is right because I read blog post written by people who I do not know are real that tell me that they are making certain salaries."

I did not sleep before the LSAT, and screwed up the Logic Games. That is why I scored badly. Don't assume that people score poorly on the LSAT because they don't understand the material or are not smart.

You are saying that starting salary out of USF is low, and I am saying that you can still make a living as a USF grad.

I have looked at medium starting salaries from USF which is 80k. 80K is low compared to other schools.

Don't take it so seriously, and get yourself all worked up, and call people names. Just relax..its Friday.

I do not want to go to USF and I know it is not a fantastic school compared to the other schools. I am just saying that you can go to USF and have a career.

jarofsoup wrote:You are going to use my LSAT score to insult me and for evidence you site a flaw in my arguement that you are making yourself:

"That number is right because I read blog post written by people who I do not know are real that tell me that they are making certain salaries."

I did not sleep before the LSAT, and screwed up the Logic Games. That is why I scored badly. Don't assume that people score poorly on the LSAT because they don't understand the material or are not smart.

You are saying that starting salary out of USF is low, and I am saying that you can still make a living as a USF grad.

I have looked at medium starting salaries from USF which is 80k. 80K is low compared to other schools.

Don't take it so seriously, and get yourself all worked up, and call people names. Just relax..its Friday.

I do not want to go to USF and I know it is not a fantastic school compared to the other schools. I am just saying that you can go to USF and have a career.

The 60k thing is not very accurate. Solo practices can bring in more than this easily. I know a handful of lawyers that have their own practice and they can make well over 100k in the SF Bay Area.

Everyone that I know that goes to USF Law really likes the faculty, and being there.

But, USF is the weak school in the region. It is ahead of Golden Gate, but has to compete with Cal, Stanford, Hastings, Davis, Santa Clara, and the T14.

I dont like the advice "just dont go to law school because you aren't T14." You have to consider your situation.

I would shoot for Santa Clara with your numbers.

lol I wonder why you did bad on your LSAT.

"That number is wrong, because, well, I know one or two people who make more than that who has been working in the career field for a long time."

Look at the factual salary data listed on other threads you bozo.

You are going to use my LSAT score to insult me and for evidence you site a flaw in my arguement that you are making yourself:

"That number is right because I read blog post written by people who I do not know are real that tell me that they are making certain salaries."

I did not sleep before the LSAT, and screwed up the Logic Games. That is why I scored badly. Don't assume that people score poorly on the LSAT because they don't understand the material or are not smart.

You are saying that starting salary out of USF is low, and I am saying that you can still make a living as a USF grad.

I have looked at medium starting salaries from USF which is 80k. 80K is low compared to other schools.

Don't take it so seriously, and get yourself all worked up, and call people names. Just relax..its Friday.

I do not want to go to USF and I know it is not a fantastic school compared to the other schools. I am just saying that you can go to USF and have a career.

Ok, well we'll forego the LSAT remarks.

But, the flaw in your argument is still glaring. Also, you didn't seem to read my post because i'm not referring to other posts people have made, i'm referring to factual salary data that has been posted on other threads, which I clearly outlined. Lastly, the median salary of a new grad is not 80k. Sorry, it's not true. I looked for employment data on the San Francisco website and couldn't find any data. But even if they list that data, it is widely accepted that law schools lie and manipulate their data. Some schools have been known to even make up data.

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jarofsoup wrote:You are going to use my LSAT score to insult me and for evidence you site a flaw in my arguement that you are making yourself:

"That number is right because I read blog post written by people who I do not know are real that tell me that they are making certain salaries."

I did not sleep before the LSAT, and screwed up the Logic Games. That is why I scored badly. Don't assume that people score poorly on the LSAT because they don't understand the material or are not smart.

You are saying that starting salary out of USF is low, and I am saying that you can still make a living as a USF grad.

I have looked at medium starting salaries from USF which is 80k. 80K is low compared to other schools.

Don't take it so seriously, and get yourself all worked up, and call people names. Just relax..its Friday.

I do not want to go to USF and I know it is not a fantastic school compared to the other schools. I am just saying that you can go to USF and have a career.

You think that half of USF students are going to make $80k or more?

Starting no, but 5 to 10 years out. Yes. Law School only really determines the starting salary, but after that who the hell knows.

The person who started this site is not even a lawyer anymore. He brokers property, and does very well. Law School only takes you so far. If you are a good litigator and if you prove yourself to be a good attorney I am pretty sure you can make a fortune as a USF grad.

I am talking about having a career. Not the first year out of law school.

If you are 28 when you graduate law school you dont think you can be making over 80k by the time you are 38?

People from Golden Gate law even end up doing good things.

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jarofsoup wrote:You are going to use my LSAT score to insult me and for evidence you site a flaw in my arguement that you are making yourself:

"That number is right because I read blog post written by people who I do not know are real that tell me that they are making certain salaries."

I did not sleep before the LSAT, and screwed up the Logic Games. That is why I scored badly. Don't assume that people score poorly on the LSAT because they don't understand the material or are not smart.

You are saying that starting salary out of USF is low, and I am saying that you can still make a living as a USF grad.

I have looked at medium starting salaries from USF which is 80k. 80K is low compared to other schools.

Don't take it so seriously, and get yourself all worked up, and call people names. Just relax..its Friday.

I do not want to go to USF and I know it is not a fantastic school compared to the other schools. I am just saying that you can go to USF and have a career.

The word you're looking for is "median." And it's probably inflated do to those with higher incomes being more likely to report. I bet USF's response rate for their surveys is in the toilet.

rad law wrote:The word you're looking for is "median." And it's probably inflated do to those with higher incomes being more likely to report. I bet USF's response rate for their surveys is in the toilet.

According to the TLS profile they had 54% reporting in 2007, It's probably 30% now with that median of 80k.

rad law wrote:The word you're looking for is "median." And it's probably inflated do to those with higher incomes being more likely to report. I bet USF's response rate for their surveys is in the toilet.

According to the TLS profile they had 54% reporting in 2007, It's probably 30% now with that median of 80k.

rad law wrote:The word you're looking for is "median." And it's probably inflated do to those with higher incomes being more likely to report. I bet USF's response rate for their surveys is in the toilet.

According to the TLS profile they had 54% reporting in 2007, It's probably 30% now with that median of 80k.

partially confirms my suspicions about the accuracy of UC Davis' employment stats. They are 25th percentile in salary reporting, while Hastings is 75th percentile. No other T30 school comes close to a figure that low.

partially confirms my suspicions about the accuracy of UC Davis' employment stats. They are 25th percentile in salary reporting, while Hastings is 75th percentile. No other T30 school comes close to a figure that low.

What about ASU 0% unemployment reported? That doesn't seem right at all.