Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I would just build a wood gasifier and hook that up to the engine of what ever vehicle(likely a truck with a carburetor) that i decided to drive.
Unless there will also be no trees.

Trees are one of the first things that go when refugees start marauding. Happens in Africa all the time and it causes desertification.

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
I reckon that once civilisation collapses and most people starve to death, the only way to get about will be with push bikes.

People would have already emptied fuel tanks, siphoned gas from abandoned cars and even used vegetable oil for a while but eventually that too would
run out.

So what is the solution for maintaining a Mad Max lifestyle?

I suggest this;

Why would vegetable oil run out since it is renewable? Ethanol is also renewable along with methane gas and wood gas.... I seriously doubt things
will be set back to the stone age. May be tough for a while but we will bounce back people are already preparing for this sort of thing so all
production will not cease and sustainable production will eventually spread after the big collapse.

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I do hope that we invent our way past fossil fuels before it runs out frankly and not just stagnate until the show is over.
future..you know..starships running on anti-matter, flying cars, we eat lazers, frogmen, etc..

Got an e-bike myself, mine is able to go for about 25 miles with one full charge (of 500 watts) . Then you need another 500 watts! So if you choose
this method of going around, you would need to think it different. Maybe getting a 1000 watts battery and also some 350 watts solar panels to recharge
your battery. Even so, 50 miles could just not be enough.

I have a horse and I think about this scenario often.
He's only 3 so he has years ahead of him and as a mountain breed he would be great for cart pulling or carrying weight. There are issues - being
stolen for use or food, maintaining his weight and vet treatment but I have a feeling horses, ponies and donkeys would be commonplace once again.

On the other hand, a bike could also have potential issues (being stolen, needing parts for repairs etc).

You don't ride 'em. But you can put stuff on them. Things you want to take with you, or things to trade. Donkeys vary a lot in size, but the
larger ones can carry 90 pounds in cargo. So donkeys aren't very strong individually.

Most donkeys, when carrying a burden of any consequence, walk a bit slower than a person does. So donkeys aren't very fast.

Yet donkeys are far superior to horses for survival, for two reasons:

1) Donkeys do not need to be expensive grain when they work. Unlike horses, donkeys can forage for themselves completely when they are idle. while
all equines will condition better with some grain in their diets, only donkeys can be worked at some level with no grain at all.

2) While they do need some water, they are far more drought-tolerant than either horses or mules. This is why they were so popular in the
Mediterranean and the Southwestern desert of North America. Prospectors in particular relied on donkeys because of this feature.

Additionally, 2 donkeys can make more donkeys, which makes them better to either mules or bicycles.

Further, donkeys have more "horse sense" than most thoroughbred horses. They tend to be a bit more intelligent; perhaps consequently, they are a
bit less brave than horses. On the other hand, they will confront predators, and are quite loyal. Many goatherders even in the US use a single
donkey as a guard animal for their flocks.

If you had 5 donkeys, you could move 400 lbs. of supplies across a roadless wilderness with only a few watering holes. That is quite a bit of
freight. Donkeys can also be hitched to a small plow. And donkeys can be bred with horses to produce a mule, which is the single most effective plow
animal in many farming situations.

On the ancient Silk road of trade routes across ancient Asia, much of the distance was actually traversed by donkeys rather than camels.

bicycles or maybe hemp seed oil to fuel a motor' Akso there would be alcohol available for those with the know how to distil moonshine. Here in
Franklin County, VA it was the heart and soul of the commuity in the 20-30's.

Also, I would have a methene gas digestor... but none of these is good on a long distance bug out!

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