The new members of Morning Musume are so perfect, I don’t feel like being a fan of the group anymore

1: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 09:18:59.78 0.netThey’re cute and they all have personalities. I really think they’re a good addition to the group. But for some reason, rather than oshihen‘ing to any of them, I now just feel like quitting being a Musume wota altogether. I can’t explain the feeling… it’s like it’s no longer the Musume I first came to love.

10: anc 2014/10/23(木) 09:24:27.38 0.net>>1Love burns the brightest when it must overcome obstacles. When there’s love, even their weaknesses start to look like virtues.Or to put it another way, it’s their weaknesses that make them so lovely to begin with.

The members of 12th gen are all cute — even without that love. In other words, I don’t see anything to love about them.

11: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 09:33:24.52 0.net>>1
Well, I can’t say I’ve never thought the group felt different from how it used to with the introduction of new members to its lineup. But I don’t think I’ve ever felt like giving up on them for being “too perfect.“

16: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 09:51:20.59 0.net
You just don’t get the feeling like it was actually Terada who picked these girls, right?

21: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:07:00.72 0.net>>16
I get what you mean. However, it feels like pre-existing wota thinking this way about new members might be a good thing.

17: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 09:59:28.29 0.net
They just feel like such average idols.

36: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:19:55.94 0.net
Even Sayu wasn’t just cute when she joined. She had something that was a bit off about her, and that’s what made her so great.

43: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:24:55.43 0.netEveryone would agree that someone like Makino is just the perfect cutie. Anyone could make her their oshi, so what need is there for me to do so?

44: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:25:40.58 0.net
They lack that whole cult aspect thing, like there’s something only you can understand and appreciate about them.

57: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:34:24.61 0.netUsually what happens with additions of new members is that they throw a bombshell at us just to see if we’ll remain faithful to H!P. But this time they’ve just left everyone perplexed.

64: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:40:36.41 0.net
Everyone would be excited about 12th gen if only they’d also added Danbara to spice things up.

67: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:41:48.73 0.net
I’d get it if you thought Nonaka was boring what with her being somewhat of a skilled singer and dancer to begin with, but it feels like it’ll be fun to see how the personalities of the other three begin to develop.

68: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:42:26.15 0.net
The only one interesting with her unpredictability is Ogata. It feels like she’ll end up acquiring the biggest number of wota.

81: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:49:48.51 0.net
I wonder who’s going to become the first fan favorite. Ogata?

83: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:52:01.70 0.net
Has to be Nonaka. She’s the only one who can sing.

97: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 11:01:39.33 0.netI feel the same way now as I did when 9th gen was added. They’re interesting. I feel like paying attention to them.

98: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 11:03:07.87 0.net
I think the mix of two Kenshuusei that I know to an extent, plus two unknown, normal girls make for a pretty good balance.

109: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 11:14:53.47 0.net
Speaking as a Sayu wota, the idea of watching over Musume after she’s gone doesn’t feel nearly as bad now with the 12th gen joining. Well, with that said though, my oshi will be Ishida.

yeah, but will they be allowed to be ‘unique’? Ogata seems to have a hidden character but like with Masaki, I think they are going to muzzle that and make her into the standard ‘underdog who struggles to become an idol’ character. I like an underdog as much as anyone but why can’t she be an underdog with a fun, out of the box character??

If this person has been a fan since 9th gen I kind of don’t get it, because 9th gen definitely felt like the perfect new gen and all the members were cute, as well. The explanation that 12th gen seems as though they don’t ‘need’ love is strange to me, especially when they do have weaknesses, especially in their skills. One good singer doesn’t mean that they are all good singers, etc. #4 is usually the explanation that makes most sense: people just get bored and then try to find reasons or a culprit for it because maybe they still want to be fans, but aren’t feeling that spark anymore. Losing interest just happens! People can even fall out of love, for no specific reason at all, so certainly the same thing can happen with a more shallow emotional connection!

I also love the occasional trainwreck, but I think it’s great that UF* isn’t really messing around anymore with their new member picks. Auditions used to be the time to fear for the worst, but not so anymore. S/mileage 3rd gen, Juice = Juice, Country Girls and Momusu 9th – 12th gen all seem like excellent picks… Suddenly singling out 12th gen is really quite odd.

They went full perfect, man. Never go full perfect. You don’t buy that? Ask You Kikkawa, 2011. “Major debut as a solo artist with Universal Music.” Remember? Went full perfect, today she’s making some small venues in Brazil to pay the bills.

I kinda know what this fan means. They’re all really cute and seem like they’ll be interesting, but nothing about them is really grabbing me. It’s not dislike so much as lack of the usual fan desire to learn more and more about them. It doesn’t seem to be just growing away from H!P or getting bored, since I don’t feel that way at all with the new Country Girls members, who are just as cute/interesting. Something about 12th gen in particular just doesn’t let me connect with them.

that said, I’m super excited for Ozeki Mai and Shimamura Uta, (plus two of my favorite kenshuusei) to debut in Country Girls. I really hope they revive Shining Itoshiki Anata… And that some of them are good enough singers to make it enjoyable!

Hmm, my only issue with this gen is that there again no one to ‘spice things up’, everyone’s nice and cute and they all get along with each other. There’s no yankee, tsundere, or Mikitty-type poison tongue; everyone’s an ‘honor student’ type.

There’s no sense of rivalry or tension within the current lineup, even Ikuta’s thing about wanting to be center is a joke because everyone knows it’s a joke. Everyone sort of knows their place and they are content to stay there. Sayu as a leader has been great but I think she’s carried over the whole family atmosphere from Ai-chan’s era; in that sense this is still Ai-chan’s Morning Musume (not that there’s anything wrong with that, I did like the Platinum Era)

Sometimes I wish Kanatomo had been found for 9th gen auditions. A girl like that would have been interesting to see in Morning Musume with her unorthodox character.

I definitely agree, though I think Maachan was the closest we’ve gotten to a spicing-things-up member. Though she’s more in the Aibon/Tsuji/Koha camp, I suppose, but she did/does seem to shake things up. But yes, I would gladly sacrifice any one of these girls to the great Lord Tsunku if it meant getting a Sayu/Reina/Mikitty/Yuko type.

I’m not ruling out this generation completely, though, since some of these personalities do take some time to cultivate and eventually do shine through (Sayu comes to mind), but yeah, there were definitely girls who came in guns blazing. Man, just look at Reina’s legacy: auditioned for 5th gen as a blonde yankee, made it to training camp because she lied about her age, had the audacity to [i]reaudition[/i] a year after she got caught, got in, hardly cracked a smile, and talked back to her senpai almost immediately. I want another one of those.

I knew that some of the japan-wota, tend to like “raw” girls to begin with, then “transform” into perfect idol now. They like how idol grew from nothing into idol.

Somehow with this “perfect” condition of the 12th gen, they somehow felt “empty” because they have nothing to be follow anymore, everything seems perfect in all aspects like looks (all member), dancing & singing (miki).

I can understand how they feel, it’s like when everything is perfect, means that you have no more to be worry about, no more challenges. It’s dilemma for Tsunku-san & co, if they’ll put a “below-standard” girls, everyone must complaint, but if he put “perfect” members, fans will complaint too because too perfect.. :lol:

I’m happy that we’ve gotten past the era where girls are chosen based on being the worst candidate. And let’s be real here, none of these girls are without flaws. By all accounts, there is only one competent singer among them, and Morning Musume is first and foremost a singing group, so folks like the OP will have plenty of flaws to enjoy. Honestly, if you can’t feel anything for an odd-ball like Ogata, then you’re following the wrong idol group.

44: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/10/23(木) 10:25:40.58 0.net
They lack that whole cult aspect thing, like there’s something only you can understand and appreciate about them.

I kind of understand and agree with that logic. Usually there is at least one member who you wondered what Tsunku was thinking when they were put in the group but this 12th gen lineup all look like they should be idols, nobody looks out of place. There is no Konno, or Michishige in this group.

But in terms of who i’m supporting right now it has to be Ogata and Nonaka. With Ogata’s twitter being leaked, we see she may be the biggest personality of the 4, quirky and weird which are things I like in an idol. She seems to be the one most suited for variety. As for Nonaka, if you’ve been watching Hello! Station you already know that she is talented. She can sing and dance already and is probably center of the 12th gen if they dont give it to Makino cause she’s popular. Plus the fact that Nonaka speaks english is a bonus for me, interested in how they are gonna use her

I see where the person is coming from. The 12th generation is great and all, but when the group you loved is gone and replaced, a person could feel the urge to move on. There’s nothing wrong with that either, some people are only a fan of one era (in this case post-platinum to pre-colorful) and move on. It sucks that some people try to make OP look fickle or new to the fandom because of that.

The 12th gen is also a little ’empty’, like someone else said. I feel like this gen was a filler generation, serving no real purpose but to replace Reina (since auditions usually come after graduations). They look already polished on the outside, but also look like they could be in any typical idol group. Of the last three generations, I never figured them to be ‘typical idols’ like I do the 12th gen. But, I’m sure my view on their looks will change with time and they’ll gain that Momusu vibe.

And, speaking on there being so many ‘honor student’ types, I think so too. We have Masaki, Kanon, and Ayumi giving us a good dose of their personalities, but the other girls not so much. They seem to be careful not to put too much of themselves out there and seem a little guarded, like they were told not to say too much or display their personalities too much. It makes me worried about Ogata Haruna and if she’ll even be allowed to display the fun side of her we’ve seen, nerves aside. We know Masaki has a muzzle, but I wonder does that go for everyone else? Maybe H!P is playing it too safe to pick girls like Reina, Miki, or the various other past personalities.

I wouldn’t say 12th gen is supposed to replace Reina, that was Sakura (at least for singing).
12th gen gives me more of a Sayumi vibe: 3 not so great singers, but they’re beautiful or at least already polished looking.

have to admit it, but if they are trying to attain the sales of AKB in millions they are far off. I’m an MM fan but how can the manage pull off something with the kind of sales they have? question is for how long. compare the sales. its mind boggling.

I am the opposite frame of mind about the 12th gen. I am super curious to get to know their personalities especially Ogata. Her twitter pics are hilarious. Seeing the girls dressing all in white without member colors is like a blank canvas. I want to see how colorful the 12 gen can become.