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X - You better to learn to say President Romney. Obama and Dems are like that classic 90's PC game Lemmings. Obama is in the lead, the bridge is out ahead and they ar walking right to it without stopping.! One by one they will be falling off.

FM - Are you hearing about this Slaughter solution for HC? Is it me or are we witnessing the end of represenative democracy? They are going to pass the senate version in the House without actually voting on it, despite the constittuion requriing all laws to have been voted on with a yea or nea....

Its so far out, but Obama will beat anyone of the GOP front runners by even a bigger margin than last time out. I don't think any of these guys are electible for National Office, though Romney might have a very small chance.

Yes, because we all know as Colorado and Florida Republican Primaries..so too shall it go in the Generals, huh? Newsflash..Willard won Colorado and McCain won Florida..but somehow there is no (nor shall there ever be) a President Romney or President McCain..by the way is Mitt pro life or pro choice this week? The goods on Mitt is too much to resist, you fire hundreds of workers to make a profit for your company, you pass a more liberal health care in MA, than the current Prez will eventually sign, and you say and I quote " I will more left on gay issues than Ted Kennedy"

You just embarrassed yourself because the Dems are making moves not to have an up or down vote i nthe House....they are trying to just deam it passed without actually voting on it.

Why have a Congress? Obama should just deam his bill passed. The left has lost the public debate....I've been around a long long time and I have never seen a congress or president more corupt than this congress is an administration. I have seen incompetence before with Carter and Bush, but never have I seen corruption like this. The pure authoritarianism coming out of the Dems in power giht now is frightening.

However, if I'm wrong and it is President Romney, perhaps those on this side should refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of his election, refuse to acknowledge him as OUR President, question his loyalty to our nation because of his cult-like religion, accuse him of being a corporate fascist intent on destroying the nation. We could then instruct our representatives to refuse to cooperate with the new administration in any manner for political purposes in order to make his administration ungovernable, to say no at every turn, utilize every undemocratic tool, invent the most outrageous nonsense to scare people. We could accuse him of conspiring with terrorists to extort more money from the American people. We could accuse him of fiscal carelessness because of actions of the previous administration.

Or we could accept our new commander in chief as the leader of our nation, duly elected and engage in civil discourse to find common ground to solve the problems of our nation, recognizing that would be the patriotic AMERICAN thing to do.

I guess it all depends on what happens during the next three or so years.

Stillow and FM. Just picture the dynamic in 2012. The economy will be in full-blown recovery from the problems that the Republicans started. The narrative will be that Reps brought America near its death-bed, and while the Dems were trying to clean up the Reps mess, they fought them every step of the way. At that point, the only choice the reps will have is to claim, contrary to all blatantly obvious evidence, that the Dems slowed the recovery. Meanwhile, you will have a either a right wing fanatic (ie Palin or some cookie-cutter version) making the girl from The Excorcist look like the easter bunny, or a moderate who the slavering fanatics will be crucifying, trying their best to look reasonable. It will be like the guests on Jerry Springer, vs the reasonable problem solver. Good luck with that.

Last time I checked Saint Ronnie how hovering in the 30s by now.......I bet a couple of decades you would have been hollering about not passing Medicare..And Paul Ryan's plan is nothing new, privatizing Medicare...yeah tell that to Floridians

1. Stillow needs to stop lying. The House will vote on health care. House members are not trying to deem the bill passed. That's an outright lie.

2. How could this possibly be the most corrupt government in history? Who in the cabinet is under investigation? What comparative proof do you have that this administration is more corrupt than any other? I don't know about any Iran-Contra incidents, no-bid government contracts, etc.

3. If the economy is in full-blown recovery, and no dramatic events occur in America Obama's approval will skyrocket. Polls are a snapshot in time, they are not a fixed indicator for the future.

4. It's entirely possible and likely that none of the three candidates polled will even win the nomination. It's doubtful that Huckabee or Palin will even run. The front-runner is always the winner 2.5 years before the actual nomination, until well, the elections take place. Examples of candidates who were not front-runners years before elections: Obama, Kerry, Clinton (Bill), McCain.

agree 100% dynamic. I wouldn't let Palin run a lemonade stand. Can you imagine her giving a state of the union address with things written on her hand Huckabee- anybody that messes with the Constitution and says it should be more like the Bible isn't intelligent enough to run this country. We learned in Civics 101 that the Constitution established that the government shall have no official religion and the citizens shall be able to worship or not worship as they wish.

Stillow you probably didn't read Mark Blumenthal's article on the front page. Most polls are reversing or bottoming out on the negative reaction to HCR and are moving up in favorability. I could wear a Rasmussen shirt that says people don't hate health care as much anymore. hehheh.

This coming from the moron who thinks the Founding Fathers "came up with that 60 vote thing" in the Senate. This guy couldn't pass a high school civics class and he’s on here pontificating about parliamentary procedure.

I see you libs are out in full force today. I feel all warm and fuzzy with this love fest!

X - Majoirty oppose it, I know facts hurt, but it is what it is. You clinging to internet polls does nto hcange reality.

bigfoot9p6 - I wish the economy would be in full bloom, however the debt spending will cotninue to put more and more wieght on our shoulders. I know libs think nothing happens when you spend trillions above what you have, but it actually doesn't work that way.

gopher the republicans tend to give it to the next person in line McCain lost in the 2000 primary so he was the next in line. Romney and Huckabee lost the primary to McCain so they seem like the next in line. However, if the Republican can't offer someone different, i can't see how they win in 2012 with any of the 3 of them. not to mention most of their shining stars such as Jindal, Sanford, and Ensign have all self destructed. Obama was the keynote speaker (i think) at the Democratic convention by 2004 so i would think the Republican nominee would be somewhat in the public spotlight already. The Virginia governor gave the republican repsonse to one of Obama's speeches so he might be on the list.

Your getting confused with one of your other blogs or soemthing....I have not even mentioned cloture or the filibuster in this thread. I like wishing for things too, but they usually don't come to pass.

Stillow and FM- On the day after the election in 2012 and you're seeing Pres Obama again, just come back here and we can console you by channeling our emotions of 2004 when the libs were all we're saying "how could people vote for this guy again..."

Three years is a long time...Think of McCain's time, month's of work we're destroyed in three days, Bank crisis...Suspend Campaign...return to Senate, game over.

You must be a disciple of Glenn Beck, who also doesn't realize that everything he says is recorded. This was a while ago, but no less embarrassing . . .

Stillow:
I am not sure they will use reconciliation. If they do, then it cahnges the entire working of the senate moving fwd...and when the GOP get 51 votes back in the future it would make the repeal much easier...and since more and more people are talking about a gop takeover of at least the house this year....that would set a bad mood. I am not sure that even reid is that low a person. There's a reason the founders put the 60 vote thing into effect.

Stillow and FM. Prove me wrong. Go to wikipedia.com search for american national debt, and tell me how much it has gone up during say Carter and below plus clinton vs Ronnie, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Just look at the figure. Then come back and tell me how delusional "libs" are about national debt. Your boys screwed us on this one. Clinton actually tried. That small government messiah Ronnie, and every conservatives home-boy Shrubby are by far and away the worst culprits. At least pretend to care about facts.

Pointing fingers and saying look, he did it too doen't resolv ethe issue. Bush went down to 28 percent approval because fiscal conservatives abandoned him because of his overspending!!!!!! You do not justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

11thGenerationAmerican

That is it? Seriously? Because I used the word founders instead of senators. You need to do better, its common knowledge the filibuster is a senate rule, going abck to the 1800's....if memory serves it actually used to take 66 senators at one point to close off debate and was reduced in the laste 60's, or early 70's if I recall correctly. Don't let Henry Clay slap you now!

Stillow, and yet you are hoping that romney wins in 2012. His tenure as governor was not exactly a shining example of fiscal conservatism. Also when every single candidate is trying to pretend they are the second coming of your Lord and Savior Reagan, when he completely screwed our debt situation, you have to wonder whether this is purely political opportunism from you guys.

bigfoot9p6 - spending bills start in Congress, presidents only go along with them or veto them. A president, wheather it be reagan with a liberal congress or clinton with a conservtive congress can't spend a dime without the bill going thru that respective congress. But again, you do not justify bad behavior by point to other bad behavior. You honeslty think these trillion dollar annual deficits won't hurt?

11thGenerationAmerican

You should look more, I have tons of misprints and typos....happy hunting! I've been around a long time, it wasn't the first goofup or will it be the last. But since you can read minds, can you come with me to my next hold 'em tourney...I am tired of my pocket aces getting tanked by a damn turn card flush.

If you really want fiscal conservatism shut down the military bases we have all over the world and quit fighting the unwinnable "war on drugs." And as for saying that fiscal conservative deserting Bush was the reason for his 28% approval rating, that is patently false. Despite his pathetic approval rating, self-described conservatives still approved of his job performance. Also I believe it was cheney who said "reagan taught us that deficits don't matter." Yet at the CPAC conference there were chants of "run, cheney, run." Why might that be?

Social conservatives did stick with Bush, but we fiscals left him long long ago....I did not vote for him in 2004 along with a lot of other cons. He lost the Indy's and fiscals...all he had left at the end was socially conservative wierdos.

People hate medicare until they are on it. Its like saying i like getting my food at the grocery store for half the price as everyone else. The rest of the shoppers are then paying more for their food to subsidize the other person. Well duh! Of course they like it. But its $37 trillion in the hole. So according to you libs, its will be fiscally solvent by adding MILLIONS more to it. I guess logic goes out the window when you are a liberal.

Your brief history of the Cloture Rule is what gave you away. It's obvious you know nothing about the legislative process otherwise you wouldn't be on here squealing like a little girl about dictatorships and authoritarianism.

HCR has passed both houses of Congress. There are a variety of ways to reconcile the two bills, and none of them is unconstitutional. Go back to where you were and look that up as well.

"Stillow and FM- On the day after the election in 2012 and you're seeing Pres Obama again, just come back here and we can console you by channeling our emotions of 2004 when the libs were all we're saying "how could people vote for this guy again...""

Someone on the other thread told stillow not to celebrate on the 20 yard line. I would suggest you take the same advice. Check out Gallup and Ras, Both are at record low. People are realizing this dope in the WH is the worst ever. Carter II. And its only been 1 YEAR! HAA!! Its too funny to see the Dems collapsing at what must be record speed!

"Check out Gallup and Ras, Both are at record low. People are realizing this dope in the WH is the worst ever. Carter II. And its only been 1 YEAR! HAA!! Its too funny to see the Dems collapsing at what must be record speed!"

Just as Reagan was Carter II and the worst ever, right? LOL. Your level of desperation is disconcerting. There is nothing you guys can do about Obama winning in 2008 and it is killing you.

Sort of like how liberals felt in 2000 except much worse because at least liberals could make excuses for themselves; such as, Nader taking away votes or Gore winning the popular vote. You guys have to deal with the bitter reality that Obama got the second largest share of the popular vote by a non-incumbent since Eisenhower in 1952 (over half a century ago).

You guys have been reduced to jumping at every unfavorable poll as an immutable harbinger of Obama's doom in 2012 despite recent historical evidence to the contrary. You subconsciously suppress the fact that 2 years before Nixon's landslide re-election in '72 he had an approval rating of 40% or that 2 years before Reagan's landslide re-election in '84 he had an approval rating of 35% or a little over 2 years before Clinton's landslide re-election in '96 he had an approval rating of 37%.

Allowing such facts to bubble up into consciousness is too disconsolate and leads to cognitive dissonance. For your sake, you better pray you are right in 2012, because if unemployment turns around(and it most likely will) and Obama wins re-election in 2012, I would hate to see you degenerate into temporary psychosis.

I see Slaughter's "deem it passed" as just a trial balloon that won't take off. Same with the "end the filibuster" idea. It is going no where.

Gopherguy

1. CBS, NPR, and lots of other liberal media outlets reported the plan Rep. Slaughter came up with for not voting on the Senate version but deeming it passed. Of course their main objection was that Republicans used the word Slaughter in describing Rep. Slaughters plan. Go figure.

2. It is probably not the most corrupt administration ever. But BO and company are in the running for most ineffective and showing the least leadership.

3. BO better pray for a full blown recovery. It is his only shot at a second term. I think the smart money is on 70's style stagflation. This administration has Carter II written all over it.

4. We actually agree on one! None of the above will get to take on BO.

Libs in general:

Lets be honest and stop calling it health care reform. There have been public admissions by too many libs, and absolutely no deniers that I am aware of, the they view this as a first step to get us to a single payer govt run health care system. And that is a road that I for one do not want to go down.

Once you get to single payer then the govt telling you what to eat and drink becomes a budget matter. Gotta control those deficits somehow. They will make you give up smoking and start exercising and call it fiscal policy. Not that we shouldn't do those things. But as a choice. Not do it or pay a fine or be branded a criminal. And it will be a crime enforced by the IRS, the only govt entity who can act without due process. That is an absolutely frightening thought.

You guys don't want the govt in your bedroom but you will allow them in your refrigerator? I don't want them in my house period. Not in any room.

Thank God for the 2nd amendment. If we ever let them take that it's all over.

You can take my Angus double burger when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

"...if unemployment turns around(and it most likely will) and Obama wins re-election in 2012, I would hate to see you degenerate into temporary psychosis."

There isn't a single conservative I know who has the kind of hate for BO that libs had for Dubya.

I don't think BO has sense enough to pour urine out of a boot. And I know if he was any kind of leader he could have passed his entire agenda since his party had a Congressional super-majority. But I don't hate the guy.

Actually, I pity him. When they write the history books and cash for clunkers is the shining moment in his administration how is that going to look?

"There isn't a single conservative I know who has the kind of hate for BO that libs had for Dubya."

Right. That is why the "birther" movement is raging in some conservative circles and why Republicans in the Arizona State Assembly are moving legislation through that would require Obama to prove his natural-born status 2012 in order to be on the ballot in that state.

I am sure will be telling me next that the newsletter of the Chaffey Community Republican Women that contained an image of a food stamp with Obama's face, surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken imprinted on it, was not as hateful as the hate that liberals had towards Dubya.

Soon, you will be telling me that you have a ticket to Nirvana that you would like to sell to me.

"I don't think BO has sense enough to pour urine out of a boot. And I know if he was any kind of leader he could have passed his entire agenda since his party had a Congressional super-majority."

You are right. Andrew Jackson, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower and JFK were all terrible leaders and failures to boot. After all, they all had formidable Congressional super-majorities on their side and still couldn't their entire legislative agendas through Congress in their first year and half in power.

Ironically, historians, both liberal and conservative, consider most of these presidents to be amongst the best and most revered leaders the country has ever had. Apparently, historians of all stripes do not agree with your assessment that presidents are expected to be get their entire agenda through Congress. They may be making the crazy assumption that we do not live in an autocratic State, and therefore, even the best presidents cannot always successfully impose their will on Congress even if their party holds the majority in Congress. Those loony historians! Go figure.

Don't they know that we live in the Union of Soviet Socialist States (U.S.S.S)? Joseph Hussein Obama(aka Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili in his native Kenya) is both the head of the politburo (aka Cabinet) and General Secretary of the Communist Party (aka Democratic Party). Nancy Pelosi (aka Trotsky in drag) is Premier,. Harry Reid(aka Nikita Khrushchev) is the First Secretary of the Communist Party and day-to-day head of the Central Committee(aka Senate). Hillary Clinton(aka Vyacheslav Molotov in drag) is Foreign Minister and Leon Panetta (aka Lavrenty Beria) is the head of the CIA (aka KGB or NKVD). Last but not least, MSNBC is the State propaganda television and the New York Times is the kinder gentler version of Pravda.

Like you, Stillow and Field Marshal, I am tired of living under this incompetent and tyrannical regime. We need to join the Tea Parties and take our country back! Liberté! I am sorry if the French word offends you. It's the fault of my socialist computer. Just so you know, I only eat freedom fries. I don't eat the much reviled French fries. I am about to start a movement to return the Statue of Liberty back to those smelly and cowardly French.

Are you proud of America right now? I am not. I agree with Bigmike that Obama has been a dismal failure on EVERY single issue. In fact, the world respects us LESS than when Bush was the president. At least they feared us then. Now they just laugh at us.

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The public can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.

Romney could pass himself off as a minority candidate being a Latter Day Saint. He'll have to win over those Evangelicals. I think out of this list, it Romney will be the only contender.

Being elected as a Moderate in Mass however, and wavering on his abortion stance, he may have a hard time in the bible belt. I predict it will be a battle between Romney and an unknown candidate in the GOP primary. It might be another popular governor like Hoeven in ND, Daniels in In.

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