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Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by ric27

I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist". They are socialist dictatorships rather than true communism. I also believe most Latin American communists are modified communists, not true Lenin-types. Exceptions noted of course.

btw - We defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but in no way did we defeat fascism. In essence, it is militant socialism. Socialism is alive, well, and growing/expanding. All it requires is opportunity to spring into full blown fascism.

Communism is the word they chose to market their particular brand of dictatorship. It sold very well among the politically illiterate in the democracies, much better than it would have done had they called themselves Nazis, or Fascists, though their policies might have been the same.

To say that they were striving for 'equality' among people when the evidence was very much to the contrary speaks to the ignorance of many leftwingers in the west, despite believing themselves to be the final link in the evolutionary chain.

And, as you say, people still believe that governments can look after all their needs. If we could put these people on an island somewhere, Cuba perhaps, to see how it doesn't work, then perhaps reality might take hold, perhaps their tiny minds might change. But that won't happen. They'll bring the rest of us down with them first.

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by Sandokan

Castro, in his deep hatred against the United States, did not hesitate in asking for the launch of a nuclear strike without given a damn that such action sealed the annihilation of the Cuban people and a large part of humanity. Castro deserves everything that's coming to him.

yeah, but he meant well, and that's what mostly matters

if only we could find the perfect plato

it's odd, cuz there's so many of em so near us here in this very forum

CASTRO - The darling of the West's deluded campus bores, whose clean tap water (!) and efficient school indoctrination system earns him their undying devotion. Even The Beatles approached him for a record deal in 1968, yet his Communist system is at least as oppressive and murderous as another, especially worse than the system of government he replaced. He was a co-conspiritor in the secret plan to transform Cuba into a nuclear war launch base in the anticipated kick-off of World War 3. Rose to illegal power on the promise to turn each Cuban into his own landowner, yet they starve and are exploited year on year. The shooting of dissidents and perceived enemies started in 1959 and never truly ceased, bringing the small island's body count to a hefty 97,000 in total.

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by ric27

I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist". They are socialist dictatorships rather than true communism. I also believe most Latin American communists are modified communists, not true Lenin-types. Exceptions noted of course.

btw - We defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but in no way did we defeat fascism. In essence, it is militant socialism. Socialism is alive, well, and growing/expanding. All it requires is opportunity to spring into full blown fascism.

The National Socialists of Germany (NAZIs) and BNP (although they are too ashamed of their REAL policies to openly declare them) share similar political ideologies with the Chinese and Russian regimes. None of them have anything to do with "Socialism" as a political force to make real change for the working people of this world.

RoP appears to be so enamoured of the BNP but I wonder if he has considered how the BNP will view his Slavic origins once they have solved the Muslim/Black/Jewish "problems".

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

RoP appears to be so enamoured of the BNP....

Evidence? I've noticed no love myself.

But getting back to the communism W. R. likes to speak up for (no doubt with honest motives), maybe he'd better try 'going back to the egg' and attempt to convince my own people about what was apparently so good for them.

People who actually lived under it in practice will take a lot of convincing to get them back in again! It's the same wherever you go in the world for people who were lost in a regime which couldn't exist without state repression.

SPACER PO WARSZAWIE (They Survived Their Tyrannies!)

The Communist Party is campaigning against state 'repression' in Poland - because the government there wants to ban displays of extremist symbols such as their Hammer and Sickle flag!

The comedy of that irony is not lost, yet it's also a telling reminder of the genuinely oppressive mentalities of those who bullied the Polish people for so many centuries.
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The footage itself was recorded during my holiday one month before, the snaps presented in a documentary format with the data. The comments reveal the love the Poles have for their freedom.

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by SE102

Ummm.... which liberals are you talking to?

The undisclosed ones. Fidel Castro knew his ideas wouldn't work from the beginning. He just wanted to be in charge.

"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
"Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by William Rea

The National Socialists of Germany (NAZIs) and BNP (although they are too ashamed of their REAL policies to openly declare them) share similar political ideologies with the Chinese and Russian regimes. None of them have anything to do with "Socialism" as a political force to make real change for the working people of this world.

Utopianism's "sole function is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does not.", said Jean-François Revel and he was, as usual, right. The idea that they ever could hep 'the working people of the world" was ludicrous and those who fancied themselves to be"intellectuals" , discussing the "bourgeoisie" and the "proletariat" and deciding vicariously how the state should run peoples lives, were made to look like the fools they always were. Their excuse for all these continued failures was that it always a work in progress. The theory was just great!

According to Revel, the greatest French political philosopher ever, the Communist party in Europe boasted that they could get 100,000 leftists protesting against the Americans in any major Western European City with just one weeks notice. These would be the "intellectuals" of course, ignorant of any form of human rights yet well able to discuss the miutia of Trostkisim vs Leninism, and so on.

Lenin called them "useful idiots", but they served no apparent use to anyone else. These idiots who spent their lives supporting this universal madness, much as thy'll not speak out against Islamism, should spend the rest of their lives involved in Mother Theresa like charitable acts to try and compensate for the damage they had done to all those who suffered under Communist regimes..

Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

Originally Posted by Grant

Utopianism's "sole function is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does not.", said Jean-François Revel and he was, as usual, right. The idea that they ever could hep 'the working people of the world" was ludicrous and those who fancied themselves to be"intellectuals" , discussing the "bourgeoisie" and the "proletariat" and deciding vicariously how the state should run peoples lives, were made to look like the fools they always were. Their excuse for all these continued failures was that it always a work in progress. The theory was just great!

According to Revel, the greatest French political philosopher ever, the Communist party in Europe boasted that they could get 100,000 leftists protesting against the Americans in any major Western European City with just one weeks notice. These would be the "intellectuals" of course, ignorant of any form of human rights yet well able to discuss the miutia of Trostkisim vs Leninism, and so on.

Lenin called them "useful idiots", but they served no apparent use to anyone else. These idiots who spent their lives supporting this universal madness, much as thy'll not speak out against Islamism, should spend the rest of their lives involved in Mother Theresa like charitable acts to try and compensate for the damage they had done to all those who suffered under Communist regimes..

Anti-intellectual snobbery is an awful vice and most normally employed by charlatans generally bankrupt of any reasoned argument.

Socialism is not utopian, it is a pathway from Capitalism to true Freedom from the shackles of corruption and power amassed by individuals to the return of power to all individuals.

Capitalism is just as utopian as any form of communism just witness the despotic Capitalist regimes that emerged in South America with help from the USA.