_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

Oh, if you DO com back, I wanted to say this. You once used the argument from a quote. "as Holmes said, when You remove the impossible, whatever is left, however improbobable, must be the truth." Well....

"I had a thought after making this in regard to the question of how likely is fine tuning and design if there is a designer. My new answer is that it would depend on how likely it was at there was a designer to begin with. You see, a designer would by definition be something extremely complex. So, the odd of such thing existing would have to be far greater then the odds of something natural existing instead. If that is the case, then the long odd on the side of naturalistic fine tuning and design by evolution would be counter balanced by the long odds of some extremely complex being just existing at a minimum. If complexity and specificity = extremely long odds, then a god would not be exempt from being highly unlikely either. "

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

I don't think he's coming back. You apparently talk to him, Zeal. Is he gone?

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

I FREAKING LOVE THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW. EVERYONE IS INSULTING FOR MY LACK OF INTELLIGENCE, SAYING I AM THE CRAZY ONE WHICH CANNOT ADMIT HE IS WRONG!!!!Well, Tyrong, I really like your objective attitude, and I just hope that this doesn't offend you, becasue I don't think any less of any you guys. Anyways, I just wish to post something which I had got from a message from Tyrong titled" You Win":http://worldrepublic.forumotion.com/pantheon-f11/i-give-in-t3072.htm

It's fairly interesting. I wonder what all those who have come to insult me, take punches at me and apparently, my lack of arguments. Guys, you have to undestand I ony have time to state my point, I have school you know. I'm a pretty good student. Why do you think I didn't fight the guy agian and get suspended? BEcasue that would suck for my record. And my quotes were exact, the exact ones, I didn't tweak them at all or change their point of view. And about eveloution, lets use butterflies as an example:

When evoloution occurs, why is it that the species as a whole evolves at the same rate, in the same way and symmetrically? It's easy for on butterfly to evolve, but how do all butteflies of a species evlove at the same rat, in the same way, with the mutation to their wings being the same in each and symmetrical? If one butterfly tries to adapt, why do all butterflies of this kind, in different regions, evolve the same? And symmetrically? Butterflies are independant, it's not that they work in a unit. And what about being symmetrical? If you have a mutation in a butterfly, or eveloution, why does it mutate symmetrically? But I hope you guys will admit just as Tyrong did, insted of saying in the biggest font you can, GOD IS NOT REAL. ANd to clarify, becasue you say I am quoting out od context to fit your arguement doesn't prove you right, and as well, Tyrong, what I mean by infinite is to have always been.

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest

Actually I am. It's damn hillarious, yet sad. I had this innocent idea that regardless of how religious people were, that is praying and believing in god, everyone accepted science's advances for that's the kind of religious environment in which I developed... now I see it's not that way and that some people go as far as saying that the banana (or "edible handle" as they may start calling it) is evidence of Intelligent Design.

On a note related to Intelligent Design... why limit that to god? In that case we and our whole planet, perhaps even entire galaxies could have been designed by a Level 4 Civilization. (This "Level 4" thing comes from a Soviet astronomers' [Kardashyov] scale to measure civilizations' development based on the ammount of energy harnessed. That is a Type or Level 1 civilization has managed to harness 100% of the energy available on its planet, a Level 2 has managed to harness all the energy available in its solar system, a level 3 in its galaxy and a level 4 in the Universe. Carl Sagan expanded on this theory of civilization development by including "bits of information harnessed" these expressed in letters that denote, if I recall properly, orders of magnitude, that is, a Level 1 O Civilization has managed to harness all the energy available on its planet and manages 1x1015 bits of information)

And if you really believed, you'd want to save my soul from the fire. Unless you're a sadistic bastard, of course.

_________________"Jenaveve took everything from me.My friends,My family,Everything!Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,Evil beyond imagining.I,Tyrong Kojy,The one whose power even the creator fears,Will stop her.Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest