Pshhhh...GTFOH, we're talking about a legend. Gotta love the Kobe haters. I've watched the dude destroy our conference time and time again. Best player of this generation, hands down. It's going to be his 17th season, stop acting like this is prime Kobe or some sh*t.

So should we judge players on who's the most "talented"? I thought the whole point of playing the game is the win championships, not put up stats. If you were paying attention the guy wrote that players shouldn't be judged on stats or rings so what then?

So should we judge players on who's the most "talented"? I thought the whole point of playing the game is the win championships, not put up stats. If you were paying attention the guy wrote that players shouldn't be judged on stats or rings so what then?

kobe will be the first. so if he doesnt do it... its not like its a huge failure

lebron lost with 2 other hall of famers in their prime ( and himself in his prime ) to dallas with just basically dirk playing anywhere near his prime. and the only other HOF'r ( kidd ) not near an allstar level

plus... the heat are almost just as stacked as LA.

so itel be kobe/nash/howard/artest/jamison vs lebron/wade/bosh/lewis/allen

i say the lakers are better. but its not like the lakers have as big an advantage as the heat had over dallas in 2011 AND STILL LOST

so by the OP's logit. theres no way lebron should ever be top 10

Bosh might not be a HOFer. And maybe no 17th season players have been FMVP, but 34 year olds have...