tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post4614865994821694168..comments2017-07-06T06:30:09.334-07:00Comments on ReligionNext with Rabbi Rami: Mea Culpa: I Killed JesusRabbi Raminoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-88561344317582166752010-03-11T10:01:43.918-08:002010-03-11T10:01:43.918-08:00Jews killed Jesus. And yet the Holy scriptures sta...Jews killed Jesus. And yet the Holy scriptures state to those following, though you were grafted in by God, you can also be otherwise - so humble yourselves those calling themselves Christians. Caiphas was &quot;Roman appointed&quot;, Caiphas ripped his garment and exclaimed he (Jesus) committed blasphemy, and it was the Sanhedrin which encouraged the Romans to act on killing Jesus based on &quot;treason&quot;, because he said he was a King (and he is/was).<br /><br />Next: the law of Moses states, Do Not Murder, so God did not commission the Jews to act against his son. He foretold they would based on his foresight. God would not commission the &quot;Murder&quot; of a righteous person. Though he is allowing you, I and everyone to exercise &quot;Free Will&quot;. The Greek scriptures state, God cannot be tried with evil (period).<br /><br />So the fact is, Jesus constantly exposed the arrogance of the Pharisees, and Sadducees. Since he broght a new command of love your enemy, he was not a &quot;direct&quot; threat to Rome. <br /><br />2 Timothy 3:16 states - All scripture is inspired...thus, there are no flaws in writing. And every time someone says it is, they unearth something showing the bible was right. In fact that there are details of man&#39;s history ONLY found in the bible, which archeology has substantiated. <br /><br />Rabbi, your arguement fell upon one which was still sipping scriptual milk. The Jews motivated the killing of Christ. True Christians do not walk around pointing fingers, no more than Michael brought rebuke against the Devil. In fact, you and the Jews of today did not kill Jesus anymore than you nor I ate of the fruit in the Garden. Thus, he died one time for ALL men.<br /><br />Therefore, any Jew today, like any of peoples, tribes, nations, and tongues, (any people anywhere) can reconcile themselves to God and be saved by Faith which is &quot;acted&quot; upon by &quot;keeping&quot; God&#39;s commandments. Faith alone James stated is not enough. <br /><br />Lastly, if Jesus also was not Christ as Jews of today state, then why do you not still sacrifice animals. Some Jews say, its because you don&#39;t have a temple: but neither did Abel of Moses. And if the Jews today are still under the law, why do you tell others, those in the same land as you (alien residents to you), to violate the Sabbath by telling them to turn off the lights, and open electrical doors, etc. Does not your law state to treat the alien resident as one of you as in accord with the law?<br /><br />If you refuse Christ Jesus, the law which he was the fulfillment of will condemn you not for his direct death, but for not acknowledging and accepting him as Christ. For then what is your atonement based? As Gamaliel stated, &quot;you may find yourself a fighter against God.&quot;<br /><br />Have a good day.Clienthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10652800241181027775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-9598661097551945402008-10-22T08:14:00.000-07:002008-10-22T08:14:00.000-07:00I once had one of these types come into the conven...I once had one of these types come into the convenience store in the KUC, accuse me of being a &quot;silver-tongued Pharisee&quot; (presumably because my debate skills were better than his) then knock over an entire rack of Pringles &amp; storm out without cleaning up his mess.<BR/> Two goth girls in black lipstick and pentacle necklaces who were behind him in line straightened the chip rack &amp; picked up all the Pringles for me. <BR/><BR/>So there ya go.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Slightly more on topic: I always felt sorry for Judas.Kellientehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11627664711019662403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-20618627784283692322008-10-14T17:26:00.000-07:002008-10-14T17:26:00.000-07:00Thanks Aaron. That was pretty hilarious!!Thanks Aaron. That was pretty hilarious!!Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-25632399005836615862008-10-13T09:12:00.000-07:002008-10-13T09:12:00.000-07:00It's far too late to comment meaningfully on anyth...It's far too late to comment meaningfully on anything said here. I suppose I'd like to add, though, that the issue of whether the Jews killed Jesus is quite literally a misnomer. I doubt whether at any time in history there has ever been such an entity as The Jews. There are jews, and jews. And then other jews. <BR/><BR/>Broad categorizations of groups of people are made (broadly speaking) for two purposes, both propagandistic. One, to identify (and destroy) an enemy. Two, to create the fiction of a unified 'people' who can act together for political and economic gain. Either way, there is likely to be incredible variation in the population thus identified. <BR/><BR/>Were there Jews who wanted Jesus dead? I bet there were. Any one whose power base Jesus challenged would be a likely suspect for collaboration with Rome. <BR/><BR/>Were there Jews who loved Jesus and demanded his freedom? I bet there were. In fact, we <I>know</I> there were, or Jesus wouldn't have gotten in trouble with Rome in the first place. Remember, there were no Christians in Jesus' day. He and his followers were, wait for it... Jews.AaronHerschelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08886387346974535323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-86087640885045448492008-10-10T06:57:00.000-07:002008-10-10T06:57:00.000-07:00Ya Know, you just don't hear this kind of stuff in...Ya Know, you just don't hear this kind of stuff in Christian circles! At least not mine. I love the down to earth, matter of fact way you look at sacred texts, yet you still hold them in great regard. Thank you very much. I am looking forward to reading Borg's book.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-37143023746046915212008-10-10T04:17:00.000-07:002008-10-10T04:17:00.000-07:00All sacred texts, coming as they do through the ha...All sacred texts, coming as they do through the hands of human beings, are political and reflect the limitations and biases of their authors, cultures, and times. I don't trust any text to be more than it can be: a window into its time. <BR/><BR/>Each of the Gospel writers imagined his own Jesus and gave a portrait of that Jesus. For me, the key to Jesus is found in the Q Gospel and the Gospel of Thomas. These are just Jesus' sayings and teachings without the distortion of the stories the Gospel writers draped around them.<BR/><BR/>If you haven't read Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time by Marcus Borg, I would highly recommend you do. It is a great book.Rabbi Ramihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07549679279782491931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-46077265638253841582008-10-08T07:28:00.000-07:002008-10-08T07:28:00.000-07:00Phew! Usually I am not this thick. I have learned ...Phew! Usually I am not this thick. I have learned so much more "fill in the blanks" kind of detail from you than from Christians - that I had to stop and wonder. I thought I knew that the Romans killed Jesus, but then I no longer knew what I thought I knew - because you tend to know so much more. <BR/><BR/>Well, maybe I am that thick or just naive but you seem to be saying that John employed literary license in order to make the Jews look bad? Does this happen often in the Bible? Was John writing historical fiction, was he blind to his bias or did he purposefully set out to be anti-Semitic? Man…if you can’t trust John; the one that Jesus loved, (supposedly-maybe John made his prominence in Jesus’ life up also!) whom can you trust? Perhaps it is not an issue of trust…but of putting the truthiness down and picking up faith.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-38711127435900655812008-10-08T05:35:00.000-07:002008-10-08T05:35:00.000-07:00Sometimes humor overshadows the facts. The facts a...Sometimes humor overshadows the facts. The facts are these: "the Jews" didn't kill Jesus. The Romans did. Were there Jews in the pocket of Rome who collaborated with this endeavor? Mostly likely, but the Jews themselves, as a group, had nothing to do with it. <BR/><BR/>In fact I would argue that Jerusalem's Jews, having welcomed Jesus with open arms on Palm Sunday tried to have Jesus freed from Pontius Pilate's prison after his arrest. <BR/><BR/>The Gospel of John tells us that Pilate held two prisoners, Jesus who claimed to be the Son of the Father (God) and a revolutionary named Barabbas. Some versions of John add that Barabbas' first name was also Jesus. John's telling of this story is aimed at a Gentile reader who does now Aramaic, because Barabbas is Aramaic for Son of the Father.<BR/><BR/>Could it be that Pilate had two prisoners both of whom were called Jesus Son of the Father? Of course not. John invents Barabbas as a separate character so that when the Jews storm the palace demanding the release of Jesus Barabbas, Jesus Son of the Father, John can claim they were rejecting Jesus and siding with the revolutionary. There was only one Jesus in Pilate's prison at the time, and that was Jesus and he was a revolutionary. And the Jews who came to Pilate came to save Jesus not crucify him.<BR/><BR/>Because John is writing at a time when the early church was anti-Jewish, and because his readers would not, by and large, be Aramaic speaking, he got away with this propagandistic canard. <BR/><BR/>So, I would say "no" to the idea that Jews should apologize for the death of Jesus since we did not kill him.Rabbi Ramihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07549679279782491931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-51534035828888631802008-10-07T16:33:00.000-07:002008-10-07T16:33:00.000-07:00Whoa, Rami, I love you - but I would hate to be on...Whoa, Rami, I love you - but I would hate to be on the receiving end when your sails are full of wind. ;0)<BR/><BR/>All good stuff though. It reminds me of our "should we apologize for slavery" conversation not too long ago. You make the argument, in a round about way, that yes they should. That Christians should be thankful that the Jews did what God called them to do. Should Jews of today be held responsible for the death of Jesus, just as the whites of today should apologize for slavery? Am I making huge leaps here???Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-69255733083801599612008-10-07T10:38:00.000-07:002008-10-07T10:38:00.000-07:00Hallelujah! Thank you for single-handedly saving a...Hallelujah! Thank you for single-handedly saving all of our souls!!!<BR/><BR/>Seriously, however, thank you for sharing this story. It illustrates much about our society, our relationships to one another, our listening (in)abilities, our (lack of) understanding about the stories in the Bible/interpertations of them, etc. I have learned alot from your blogs, and I appreciate their illuminations into my own thinking!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16585472329507632766noreply@blogger.com