Elias: “A lot has happened with the White House in the last couple days. Let’s talk about DACA. Was President Trump’s decision with DACA -- was that a political decision?”

Gorka: “I don’t think it was a political decision...I think it was really an instance of the solemn monarch division... he realized it wasn’t an issue that could be solved with just one decision. He had to recognize that what the former president did was unconstitutional. You can’t legislate from the Oval Office, and that’s why it had to be stopped formally... There are some kids who shouldn’t be punished for their parents’ transgressions, and as such recognizing the separation of powers and checks and balances said, ‘okay Congress, let’s see if we can work this out.’ It wasn’t political. It was a constitutional decision. And one that was really about sympathy to those who haven’t done any wrong as residents here in America.”

Elias: “Do you think this is enough for Congress to act? Why has it taken them so long to address immigration? This is now not just President Trump. This is something that has been going on for a long time.”

Gorka: “You’re absolutely right. I would make the same parallel with Obamacare. We’ve been listening for seven months to one side of Congress say, ‘this is broken, we will fix it.’ And when the president said ‘okay, well let’s fix it,’ what happened? So it seems as if time doesn’t necessarily factor into capacity to solve something. Hopefully this will be the exception, and in a few months from now there will be a resolution that’s amenable to actual execution.”

Elias: “Let’s talk about the Obamacare situation, because it was seven years of Republicans bemoaning this legislation...There are parts of it that obviously need to be fixed. Why didn’t Republicans have a plan after seven years and realizing they were going to take the majority?"

Gorka: “I think they had a plan, but it was totally unworkable. It was as complex as the original Obamacare fiasco. Why didn’t they execute on the promise to fix it? There’s an attitude of business as usual. There’s a lack of recognition among certain key players on the Hill that November the 8th wasn’t the GOP victory. It really wasn’t. The president was the rank outsider. He may formally have been the Republican candidate for president, but this was a man who doesn’t represent the establishment. So I think too many things were taken for granted by those who were incumbent on the Hill and unfortunately they may have a rude awakening.”

Elias: “You say business as usual for Congress, but from where we stand there doesn’t appear to be any business getting done at all.”

Gorka: “That’s what I mean, that’s business as usual. Unfortunately.”

Elias: “And Donald Trump, as president, when he ran into this, he’s used to in business having the wheels of machinery turning. Is he bumping into a situation where he’s finding nothing’s turning?

Gorka: “I always like to describe what happened on January 20 as a hostile takeover. It’s not an accident that the president is the first ever individual in history to have the office commander in chief who has never served as a general officer and never held political office. He is the ultimate anti-establishment candidate. He is in my opinion a very positive disrupting force. He is the disruptor. I’m not sure in the scant seven months we’ve seen him in office, the establishment has realized just how different a candidate and president he now is.”

Elias: “Speaking of different, he just brokered a deal with the Democrats, and Republicans appear to be seething. Why should Republicans be upset given the fact he tried to work with them and nothing’s been done?”

Gorka: “That’s a fabulous question. I think it’s a rhetorical one. As far as I’m concerned -- I don’t care who you are, whether it’s military whether it’s the base or whether it’s foreign diplomats trying to understand what happened here last year, I tell them, if you want to understand this president, read this book “The Art of the Deal.” If you don’t read that book you have no idea who’s running America right now, whether it’s bringing NATO around 180 degrees on the question of 2 percent GDP defense expenditure just through pure rhetoric or whether it’s what he did yesterday -- he didn’t just send a shot across the bows of the GOP, he put a massive hole in the hull of people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. He sent a message: I can do business with Democrats. Do you realize that I am not beholden to the establishment? Yesterday was masterful.”

Elias: “Not so much for Ryan and McConnell.”

Gorka: “Yeah, for good reason.”

Elias: “Will that marginalize their leadership?”

Gorka: “It should be a wake-up call. It should marginalize their leadership until they realize November 8th was a signal, not just to to the left. It was a signal to the GOP establishment. We had blue collar Democrats in Steel Valley vote for Donald Trump, the billionaire business magnate from New York. That should have been a wakeup call then, not yesterday.”