Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

I'm waiting for 2024 election with Katt at pro-corral party with Tim running against him.

see this is a good reply and not dragging it out further

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I've accepted that the journey through Michael's musical likes and dislikes is at the level of erratic I imagine is only otherwise achieved by doing a full length mirror's worth of coke and then trying to play Mario Kart.

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

No, because the shopping cart isn't something you shopped for.... so you need a shopping cart to put the bigger shopping cart in....and so on....and so on....until you find the prime mover container....which cant be a cart....it must be the corral!!!!!!Therefore you must put carts in the corral, and the corral is.....god?Did I just have a stroke?

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart. So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart. It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts. Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?

Interesting how your selective reasoning must be convenient. I already explained why the corrals are there. Of course it's their job, but management doesn't want their employees spending all their time in the parking lot. Time is money. I also said it's a safety liability as well. How is that even remotely comparable to reviewing contracts? Apples and oranges dude.

Err.... I get that having customers do some or all of the work of getting carts back to store is good for the stores, but that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. As far as it being "a safety liability," I suppose, but I'm fairly confident that the incidence of injury suffered by retail employees while retrieving carts is so low as not to be worth considering.

Looks like you're still seeing orange apples. I suppose you can continue to argue whatever point you're trying to make, but the simplest concept still remains. If someone lets you use their shopping cart, the least you can do is stick in their corral.

No, the least I can do is leave it in their parking lot in a location that will neither pose a reasonable risk of damage to others' cars or inhibit others from parking, which is exactly what I do.

The corrals are one of those locations you just described. You still haven't provided a reasonable argument for not using them.

I agree with the first sentence: the corral is one of many options that serve the purposes I mentioned. As for the second, I've explained it many times, but our definitions of "reasonable" obviously differ. With that said, you haven't offered a "reasonable" explanation for preferring the corral to other locations that don't inhibit parking or pose a reasonable risk of damage. Absent such an explanation, I'll keep making my own decisions about which location to use.

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But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart. So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart. It is being used as a wheelbarrow. Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral yes?

Listen, I've recently become my own god, and clearly you aren't there yet. And as a god, I only speak to other gods (sup hef?) so once you put the shopping cart back and ascend to godhood, we can chat.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart. So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart. It is being used as a wheelbarrow. Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral yes?

Listen, I've recently become my own god, and clearly you aren't there yet. And as a god, I only speak to other gods (sup hef?) so once you put the shopping cart back and ascend to godhood, we can chat.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart. So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart. It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts. Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?

I've accepted that the journey through Michael's musical likes and dislikes is at the level of erratic I imagine is only otherwise achieved by doing a full length mirror's worth of coke and then trying to play Mario Kart.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Except we didnt SHOP for the cart we are putting in the bigger cart. So it is not being used as a SHOPPING cart. It is being used as a wheelbarrow of sorts. Certainly TAC can return a WHEELBARROW to the corral, yes?

I confused.

Well you do fight the Cart Wars against the evil Grocery Store so........

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem. Is a car still a car without a driver in it? Absolutely. A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart. I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.

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I've accepted that the journey through Michael's musical likes and dislikes is at the level of erratic I imagine is only otherwise achieved by doing a full length mirror's worth of coke and then trying to play Mario Kart.

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

But if we use the bigger cart to put them in the corral, then that IS a cart being used as a cart, thus moving around the philosophical dilemma that TAC wasn't sure how to articulate. So the prime mover becomes us, and we become our own gods.

Since I like sigging you and updating my sig has been long overdue, here it is.

The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

...I, uh... have to go to the bathroom. BRB, but I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing leave your cart floating in the lot without flushing putting it back

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem. Is a car still a car without a driver in it? Absolutely. A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart. I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.

Well, as a recently ascended god, i can say that you're wrong. And as a mere mortal, you're not allowed to question me.

Now, go return the carts and maybe you can become a god too.

But it does beg a question, if a cart is not a cart between uses (which I, as a god, have proclaimed) is a corral still a corral without carts?

The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

Actually, no, I don't see what those things have in common with each other.

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The following things are philosophically akin to just leaving your empty cart loose in a parking lot and driving away:

-taking a huge dump in your friend's toilet and not flushing-letting your dog crap in the park and not picking it up-crapping in your pants and just shoving those pants down deep into the hamper, hoping that your wife doesn't notice when she does the laundry...

Actually, no, I don't see what those things have in common with each other.

Philosophically speaking, are the objects we are (supposedly) returning to the corrals even shopping carts in that moment? Shopping carts are designed to carry items for us, items that we do not wish to or cannot carry our selves. But after that function is served, and before another takes them, they do not serve that purpose anymore. So maybe one problem is that we cannot put a shopping cart back in the corral if it is no longer, functionally, a shopping cart?

So this is mostly a philosophical problem, not one of laziness.

However.....after its use, a shopping cart, much like what we initially put in them, becomes an object we cannot or choose not to carry with us.

So I think the obvious solution is a much LARGER shopping cart to put our shopping carts in. They, then, become functional shopping carts and we can justly put them back in the coral.

You all in?

That's pretty good material for a radio show but I don't see a philosophical problem. Is a car still a car without a driver in it? Absolutely. A shopping cart is a shopping cart is a shopping cart. I think the same thing goes for corrals too even though there are probably no shopping carts in them.

Now, go return the carts and maybe you can become a god too.

Is that all I needed to do to become a god? I wish someone would've told me sooner. I guess before Abraham returned carts, I am.

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Bosk, I kid you not..when we were out there last summer, we went to downtown San Jose. We were at the city hall plaza (which is really cool, btw), and we literally watched a woman open one of those boxes where they drop community newspapers and take a dump.

Bosk, I kid you not..when we were out there last summer, we went to downtown San Jose. We were at the city hall plaza (which is really cool, btw), and we literally watched a woman open one of those boxes where they drop community newspapers and take a dump.

FWIW, San Jose is not Northern California. The point is otherwise valid.

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