Petraeus And The Infidelity Risk Curve

I like sex as much as the next guy, but I’m amazed at what men will throw away to get it: a Presidency (B. Clinton, DSK), a 38 year career, CEO positions, money, respect, freedom…it just doesn’t make sense. No matter who she is, she’s not worth it. IMHO, obviously.

He speaks of Generals Petraeus and Allen and their Lebanese immigrant, faintly masculine mistresses (last I checked of this labyrinthine lovers’ octagon.) Yes, the scent of an attractive, height-weight proportionate woman is strong, stronger still when her surroundings are populated by bloated pustules formerly known as women. Scent of a Womb, you could call it. Men sniff it in the air, like a wolf picking up the odor of prey animals, and they are sprung to action. But it is useful to remember that as strong as that fertile pussy odor is to men, equally strong is the alpha male odor to women. Perhaps even stronger in women, since alpha males are so much rarer, and thus more exciting when discovered, than are young fertile women to men, who need only stroll around a SPWL neighborhood for a few minutes to ogle ten or fifty babes who can adequately stiffen the staff.

A woman in a room with a four star general is as overtaken by powerful urges to FUCK AND FUCK NOW as a man is when in the company of a pretty, young woman with suppleness in all the right places. You just don’t fiddle with the god of biomechanics and expect a slurry of sexual harassment lawsuit threats or career-ending consequences will keep His Dark Eminence at bay and the work environment safely borg-like and aridly void of sexual tension.

Feminists can screech and shriek, manboobs can pule, white knights can huff and puff, but, like all of us, their knees too will bend to the cosmic prime directive.

The scandal itself — so mundane in its predictability* — is only noteworthy for three reasons:

1. The conspiracy angle. It’s hard to avoid suspicions that Petraeus was not going to be fully cooperative on Benghazi and was therefore summarily deep-sixed by timely revelations courtesy of Team HopeandChange.

2. The male archetype on display of the “beta male in alpha clothing”. Too many people readily confuse occupational status for alpha maleness, when it’s a man’s attitude, first and foremost, which imbues him with the alpha allure. Although very high social status and alpha maleness correlate, it is by no means exact. Petraeus’s (or was it Allen’s?) self-incriminating email avalanche is some proof that he harbors the soul of a beta. A real alpha male does not do the email equivalent of gushing like a lovestruck schoolgirl, unless he really was lovestruck. (More on that later**.) He especially does not do this when he is high ranking military brass with a lot to lose should his illicit effusions be discovered.

As for the archetype of Beta Males In Alpha Clothing, these types of men get action from women entranced by their status, but then quickly lose these women’s interest when their betaness reveals itself in manifesting clinginess. The leader of men can be just as blind to the nature of women as the celibate omega male or the cloying beta male. Leader of Men beta males are often victimized by their mistresses because the women don’t have the strong feelings of love and loyalty to them that they would have to attitudinal alpha males.

3. The game lessons contained therein. Petraeus and Allen both miserably failed the Jumbotron test. You do not write tens of thousands of sappy emails to your mistress that you wouldn’t be comfortable airing on a Jumbotron for the world to see. That goes doubly for CIA directors. I like to follow the KISS principle in matters of the heart: Keep It Scarce, Stupid. And for God’s sake — the Draft folder? Have you dumbasses never heard of anonymizing remailers?

There are many tawdry twists and turns in this saga soon to come, I’m sure, but you really only need to see two pictures to understand pretty much 99% of what’s going on.

The wife…

And the mistress…

Wow, notice that masculine digit ratio she has? That, plus the squared off, clenched jaw and forehead zit are leading indicators that this broad is well on her way to breaking a land speed record for cock gobbling the alpha males in her midst.

How in tarnation is Petraeus’s potato sack poster wife for Puritan living supposed to compete with this fuel-injected sex machine? There isn’t a man alive who would pass up a chance at tapping that harlot if his only alternative was Miss Massachusetts 1687. You may as well dangle a chunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion’s maw and expect it to sit still for twenty years.

Look, I’m not claiming Broadwell is any raving beauty. She’s probably around a 7, adjusted for age. And she has that incipient manjaw going on, a classic tell of the late stage America, careerist shrike tankgrrl female with clit dick. But in relation to the wife, she’s a hard 10. Hard enough to cut diamond. If your wife — and I say this with the utmost clinical detachment — is utterly unbangable, then a 7 prancing around your office day in and day out, year after year, in high heels, pencil skirt and a sexpot squint will test the resolve of the most religiously indoctrinated or divorce theft-averse man. Every day you don’t expel yourself in the tramp’s come hither wicker is one more day you drag yourself home to suffer in stark contrast the sad, depressing sight of the Michelin Ma’am dutifully holding down the home post. Your guilty thoughts will eat you alive either way, so you may as well enjoy the benefits of the burden of that guilt.

The God of Biomechanics does not reward virtue. His works are Total Gonad.

I find the notion coming from some quarters (feminists and white knights and manboobs, oh my!) that Petraeus ought to have been more virtuous absolutely laughable. The man’s station in life, if nothing else, made him a rock star in his milieu. Women would have made their sexual intentions known to him rather blatantly. Virtue is easy when there is little to realistically tempt one to vice, as is typically the case for nearly all omegas of either sex, and betas of the male sex. This was not the case here. Petraeus had the equivalent of a thousand attractive men’s temptations thrown in his face every day. A choir of heavenly saints would have trouble keeping the Boner of Light in their pants under such circumstances.

Which brings me to my next jeremiad: Tossing men and women together in the workplace is a recipe for dissolving marriages, sexually dispossessing beta males, and corraling women under the banner of a few industry captain alpha males. Men and women in a putatively monogamous society are simply not meant to be in each other’s company, away from family, all the day long and night. Is it any wonder, really, that female infidelity rates are now approaching that of men’s rates? The gender neutral workplace experiment has brought alpha males and fertile females together like no other arrangement yet devised by man. And it happened under everyone’s noses, because no one bothered to note that human nature is real, and it isn’t going anywhere soon.

There is a reason why newly minted wives rush their husbands out to the suburbs, and it’s not just to get their kids into good white schools: it’s to sequester their men from the sea of luscious young pussy that swims the streets of the cities. Similarly, most husbands are much happier when their wives either stay at home or work in jobs where they are mostly surrounded by other women or beta males, like teaching or accounting. The goal for each is the same: to reduce excessive alpha male/hot female temptations.

Of course, don’t bother telling feminists this undeniable aspect of society: they’d rather stuff purple saguaros in their ears than contemplate the merciless, gender aneutral reality of humanity. Their willful ignorance is rivaled only by their catastrophic stupidity.

*How predictable was this affair? Very. The greater the sexual market value disparity between a husband’s wife and his female coworkers, the likelier the odds of his having an extramarital affair with a woman closer in SMV to himself. This postulate is best expressed graphically:

A high status man whose wife is a full 10 points lower on the looks scale than the women he works with is guaranteed to cheat, and cheat a lot. You will notice that some alpha males advanced in the ways of self-abnegation can resist the temptation to cheat, so long as the other woman is no more than a couple points better looking than the wife. But once the other woman crosses that threshold from “kind of prettier” to “yup, she makes my wife look like a duffel bag of laundry”, the infidelity is set in stone. And only those who loathe male desire will see fit to condemn such a man for his actions.

For the recent members of the studio audience: Feminists and their lapdog beta supplicants tend to be the types to nurse an irrational loathing of natural, normal male desire.

There are those tricky little trolls who will innocently(!) ask “Don’t you feel sorry for the wife? What did she do wrong?”

I do feel a twitch of pity for her, but it stops there. She did nothing “wrong”, in the Biblical or PC sense, but the fact that she obviously felt it reasonable to so fully let herself go is evidence that she cared not a whit for her husband’s animal desires, and was probably up to her ears in feminist ideology about the uselessness and evil of appealing to the visceral demands of men for physically attractive, slender lovers. Had she stayed thin (something which is entirely possible, barring very rare physiological ailments), she would have enjoyed more loving sexual attention from her husband. But she is undoubtedly a creature of the zany zeitgeist, and as such was likely imbued with latent hatred for the idea of pleasing one’s husband in the way that husbands prefer to be pleased.

There is also the matter of expectations that are inevitably placed on women who have managed to capture in unholy matrimony a rising star alpha male. The pressure to stay sexy and feminine will be much more strongly felt by a wife hitched to a valuable alpha male. After all, he has options most men don’t. The luxury of resting on her wifely laurels to scarf down a pint of Edy’s is not in the cards for such women. To put it mildly: Ladies, if you want the alpha male, be prepared to put in the hard work to keep him amused. If you don’t want that responsibility, then go marry a beta male who won’t have the SMV leverage to complain or seek alternate humanistic outlets for his needs.

Naturally, some of you women will balk. But try this thought experiment on for size:

The fat wife of an alpha male is the SAME THING as the unmotivated, dull, needy husband of an alpha female.

If you would be hard pressed to place full blame on the alpha female for her succumbing to infidelity, then so should you think twice before placing full blame on the alpha male for his succumbing to infidelity.

If you cannot grasp this elementary logic, then you are either a raving feminist loon, or a very feminine woman who confuses feelings for reason.

**Was Petraeus in love? I bet he was. Broadwell was considerably younger than him, and considerably sexier than his wife, and those two things are prerequisites for illicit love to bloom in the heart of a man. Feminists often sputter angrily when they see a much older, powerful man with a younger woman, a reaction which arises because they are aware that what they are seeing is an asymmetrical power relationship, but even worse, that the subordinate woman in the relationship ENJOYS IT! The man likes having a pretty girl look up to him, and the woman likes having a powerful man to look up to.

I think it is within the realm of possibility, then, that Petraeus really loved Broadwell, and saw her as much more than a fun fling. He returned her love, though in the end it appears she didn’t get what she wanted from him, and her knives came out.

Will anyone in the media beside this blog talk about the genuine love Petraeus, or Allen, had for their respective mistresses? No. The belief that a man cannot love more than one woman at once is ingrained deeply in the psyche of the masses. Most cling tightly to hopes that non-monogamous relationships cannot be loving. And who wants to believe that an older man can truly fall in love with a younger woman? Certainly not the legions of older wives!

Then there is the uncomfortable fact of female nature: who among the media elite really wants to confront the reality of the base desires of women, of their yearning for powerful men, and of their natural inclination to happily assume the subservient role to such men? Who will mention how cavalierly women will dismiss the far-reaching consequences of their actions if such actions bring them closer to joyful fulfillment in the arms of their married lovers?

Love can thrive in relationships where lust is the driving force. When I read that Petraeus was having an affair with Broadwell, I was happy for him. Imagine the torment such a man with his temptations must suffer, just to keep up appearances in service to his political career and his dreary family life. But he went ahead with his affair anyway, and he did it for love. He put love ahead of duty and the wrath of the PC Kommisars. He chose to live not as the mass of men live — empty of any joy. Petraeus may be a fool and betrayer, but he is also a bold, exuberant romantic. A man willing to risk it all for a pretty woman’s love, the best thing that there is in this godforsaken world.

In the final analysis, the magnetic appeal of this story is clear:

Petraeus is us.

PS I predict that the cuckolded beta male hubbies, both of whom are “conventionally alpha” doctors, of Broadwell and Kelley will be the least examined aspect of this story by the media. Remeber, folks, men are expendable! And that goes triply for beta males. They are the forgotten lepers in the wilderness of unspoken tabulations of human worth. We will hear a never ending tale of woe about Mrs. Petraeus, but hardly a peep about the sad sacks who suffered their wives’ unfaithfulness. Some sexes are just more equal than others.

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[…] A reader writes amazedly: I like sex as much as the next guy, but I’m amazed at what men will throw away to get it: a Presidency (B. Clinton, DSK), a 38 year career, CEO positions, money, respect, freedom…it just doesn’t make sense. No matter who she is, she’s not worth it. IMHO, obviously. He speaks of Generals Petraeus and Allen and their Lebanese immigrant, faintly masculine mistresses (last I checked of this labyrinthine lovers’ octagon.) Yes, the scent of an attractive, height-weight proportionate woman is strong, stronger still when her surroundings are populated by bloated pustules formerly known as women. Scent of a Womb, you could call it. Men sniff it in the air, like a wolf picking up the odor of prey animals, and they are sprung to action. But it is useful to remember that as strong as that fertile pussy odor is to men, equally strong is the alpha male odor to women. Perhaps even stronger in women, since alpha males are so much rarer, and thus more exciting when discovered, than are young fertile women to men, who need only stroll around a SPWL neighborhood for a few minutes to ogle ten or fifty babes who can Source: Chateau Heartiste […]

Just “faintly masculine”? It’s amazing what high-level access is granted with a little ass- and titty-shake. Looks like base access is granted even when you’re a civilian drowning in debt who likes to relentlessly promote her “charitable contributions” to the military. Bet she’s never even set foot inside a VA hospital.

Did Broadwell fall out of love though? It was her threats (pretty mild threats, but nonetheless threats) to other women to keep away from Petreaus that started the whole investigation. She was mate guarding to the end.

I guess Petraeus was alpha after all, given Broadwell’s threatening Kelley. And given that Broadwell was threatening Kelley, it would suggest that Kelley was flirting with Petraeus and Broadwell’s female rader sensed something was up. If it was Allen sending all those messages to Kelley, it is not inconceivable that Kelley set her eye on Petraeus also.

I don’t think Kelley was flirting per se. She probably used hyper sexual innuendo’s with the majority of male’s she electronically communicated with. This blog has a specific description for that type of woman. Something like perpetual cock tease attention whore, I just cant think of what it is right now.

But yeah, Shagwell… I mean Broadwell saw her as a threat and got bitchy stupid over it.

This is the mark of the beta in the truest of terms. It’s one way that I sort men since I began to understand that, as a non hot woman, I was going to be screwed either way.

Betas typically chase women alphas use and discard. In fact, alpha cock endorsement is one very sure way to get and keep beta attention. When they are using over using (not occasionally using) porn instead of out screwing live women, they may not consciously be thinking, “This model, by virtue of being a nude model, has probably seen more dick than a urologist,” but the fact that alphas have hit that, and other betas would be jealous of him were he to be seen with her, makes the thrill level more exciting.

It is one reason I say that in the past in the west, and in societies that are still more comfortably patriarchal, evidence of most men being alpha enough to pass is that they enjoyed and respected beauty, but generally didn’t let it override chastity and then loyalty as crucial in femininity. They may screw hoes, and enjoy it very much, but to commit to one was considered insane.

So if it’s just about a good time then I’m selecting for the one who doesn’t invite conversation about my exes, and creates a fantasy for himself that my fat ass is lonely and I haven’t been touched in years. 😉

Did Heartiste and a couple of commenters just tacitly admit that not all manjaws are hideously ugly tire-fires? That although we LDR women may never reach the upper echelons of female beauty, many of us are actually not all that hard to look at? I think that just happened. I’m marking my calendar.

I’d also like to point out that Broadwell is well into her 30s and doesn’t seem to have hit the wall too hard. More like she just sort of bumped into it and walked away with a couple of scuffs on her shoes.

A theory: Although manjaws can’t ever be 9s or 10s (or, with the rare exception, even 8s), our masculinized features tend to age better than those of our more delicate, gracile sisters.

[heartiste: interestingly, i too have noticed that masculine women tend to withstand the ravages of the approaching wall better than their more feminine sisters. a little bit of male juice is all it takes, i guess.]

This is interesting. I am friends with a man whose wife has had 10 children or maybe 12 and she still looks attractive for her age(50) and is a size 0.

Sure you can say genetics but this woman regularly cycles anavar which is a mild steroid of testosterone. She also says it makes her skin glossly and young. Though I have never done anavar I can personally attest to steroids making your skin glow. It really is amazing.

Re. Anavar and skin, a girl I once tried to turn into a singer (she had the most incredibly deep, smoky, jazzy speaking voice you’d ever hear) supposedly cycled the stuff, even in her mid 20s (She was a Hip-Hop video dancer, and I guess the stuff helped her stay firm).

I always called her Photoshopped, because her skin was so completely glowing and blemish free, it looked like someone had gone over it with some smoothing filter. She literally looked fake, almost to the point where the complete lack of any humanifying imperfection made her less attractive. She couldn’t sing for s…., and after hearing about the drug use, I suspect her voice was artificially deepened by androgens, perhaps stronger stuff than anawar.

Not a chance in hell.
Even if the first of her ancestors to set foot on North American soil opened her Puritan legs for the first cBlack slave boi she saw – which is about as likely as giraffes living on Saturn’s outer rings – and all their offspring fucked nothing but Swedish blondes since, you would STILL see the Black genes.
Which you don’t.

I found out about it from the racists over at VNN. I thought they were joking at first, but they were deadly serious. Broadwell could easily be “Cajun American”, not that theres anything wrong with that… but if you been to Loosyanna, you know what that means.

This whole “white thing” is a construct; Look up LEO FELTON FOR AN EXAMPLE.

Masculine women withstand the ravages not so much of time, but of an environment where the lack of explicitly motivated action to the contrary, lead to rapid deterioration. It’s the same reason manjaws seem epidemic in SWPLtopias in particular, and amongst non fatties in general. Absent the competitive instincts of masculinity, the current environment isn’t particularly conductive to females not falling apart looks wise.

@thwack – Been to Louisiana, no Cajun (= relocated French Canadian) or even Creole ever looked like Mrs. Broadwell.
And oh yeah: Breaking news: Columbus was NOT Black. Neither were the ancient Egyptians. And they’re still not….
Sue your teachers.

Being hung from a tree only changes your facial coloration to a lovely shade of bluish-purple.
The rest pretty much stays the same, at least until you start to rot, if they just let you hang there.
Not to worry, the birds & bugs will be along shortly to remove the unsightly mess.

Someone showed a photo of Petraeous going into a hearing room. Paula was there. Even though it is “over”, she was gazing at him and smiling in adoration. I’m not so sure that it is “over”, or that she fell out of love with him.

Learn Game and grab a deck chair poolside before it all comes crashing down. The ability to change ones personality to fit the social dynamics of whatever situation one is in should come in handy when what was once Western Civilization is run by regional war lords and their armed gangs.

Note that doctors who have money often live in close proximity to extremely high status individuals like politicians, movie stars, generals, athletes. Their stay-at-home wives start to look around and their ‘gina bids them to trade up.

In any event, being in a relationship automatically makes a man beta in the eyes of his LTR.

Instead of investing 4 years in college studying biology & chemistry and 3 more years of med school worrking yourself to death to study anatomy & physiology and 4 more years of 60 hour weeks learning your specialty…skip ALL THAT BULLSHIT AND STUDY GAME!! BTW a little OT but CH & guys did yoiu see that clip of Nancy Pelosui being asked by a (male) reporter of the Dems might need YOUNGER people to step up for the future…she freaked out,was “very offended”,all quite amusing.

I have a handful of buddies in med school and at various levels of actually being doctors. Some of them get zero pussy, like not even remotely a chance with girls. Some of them are practically swimming in pussy to the point where a couple who Girlfriended up are in this article’s scenario where they’re like “well shit no one told me I’d have THIS much temptation to deal with when I signed up for my LTR!” and, naturally, are cheating because girls throw themselves at them constantly.

The difference between the two types of guys is nothing to do with their job. It’s their alpha/beta qualities

Game trumps all. An alpha on welfare will fuck the wife of a beta doctor. That’s just how it works.

A 5’2″ friend of mine stole a girl off a 6’4″ jock on Saturday using game.

You should try leaving your house once in a while and interact with the real world. Or just don’t read this blog. You really won’t benefit in any way from CH’s writing until you quit being a pussy sitting in a corner whining and start taking responsibility for your lack of success and take action to change your life.

YaReally, I am assuming you’re not short and that’s why you can’t feel the “pain” or, should I say, you can’t understand the issues of someone who is short. So calling him a troll because he has issues is foolish.

That said, I agree that one has to fight for his rights or his rightful place in the grand scheme of things. Life is not easy, and each one of us has a different set of problems we must negotiate and find a solution for. Therefore, when you tell him “start taking responsibility for your lack of success and take action to change your life,” I’m totally behind you. People need to take responsibility for their lives and stop blaming someone or something else for their lack of success. I told them this exact same thing in another context when they complain too much about the Black guy stealing their woman and the Jew stealing their money. Many of them are either lazy as you say, or they are just not talented and feel jealous of other people’s success so they start dumping on people they think are doing them wrong. There might be some truth to their complaints, but they’re making too much of them and use them as excuses why they can’t get ahead or whatever the case is.

So, I can’t overlook the fact that you are a great motivator. Did you ever consider doing something like training or motivational speaking? You’d be great at it. Hell, you even motivated me for something.

I’m 5’9″ but I have a handful of friends (Natural and PUA) who are 5’3″ and below. I also have friends of various races, weights, financial positions, etc, because I go out a lot and I make a lot of friends and I help them learn game. Most of the difficulty men have is a result of their own insecurities. I’d explain it to you but hey, now you’re a short guy who picks up girls. You are the alpha and the omega, is there anything you DON’T know and any situation you aren’t an expert at despite having zero practical experience?

I would like to motivate you to shut the fuck up and let the men get on with discussing real shit, but since I don’t seem to be able to do that I think a career as a motivational speaker isn’t in my future.

“is there anything you DON’T know and any situation you aren’t an expert at despite having zero practical experience?”

I don’t need experience to have common sense. That’s the difference between you and me.

And regarding shutting me up, no chance. I got plenty to say that might upset you, BUT at least I agree with you that people should conquer their fears and try to help themselves. That could be applied to any situation, not just chasing after hos. At least, I could find some use for you. 🙂

Because we all know the principles of game follow “common sense”. That’s why it’s so easy for guys to swallow the red pill and they don’t have to rewire their entire thinking from the ground up to change their lives.

Let me guess, next you’ll say we should just compliment girls and buy them flowers lol

“Let me guess, next you’ll say we should just compliment girls and buy them flowers lol”

Not at all; I don’t comment much on technique.

Maybe you have comprehension problems, but I’ll remind you that I commented mostly about the FACT that living your whole life as a PUA isn’t necessarily the mark of the Alpha. That’s what pissed you off. It’s why you get so ticked off by Matt King too.

“Seriously, go away already. At least Maya is entertaining.”

LOL, that’s because Maya doesn’t challenge you. She acts stupid and gets her head handed to her by heartiste.

As far as going way, who is even pissing in your direction? You keep approaching me.

@NotReally – I’m taller than you. And prolly go out more than you. Your Hobbit pal gave some crack to the manatee the bouncer was pity-fucking and she blew him in the car.
BFD.
You bois go ahead and think of clever ‘text game’ strategies to use on the damaged Single Moms(TM) or how to score with the belugas on OKCupid, I’ll be at the clubs fighting with the football players over the hotties.
I’m sure you wish me luck.
Buh-bye.

I have a cousin who is a doctor…he is married to a fat cow who I wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole…I have another cousin who was in jail, works at a grocery store, and has a girlfriend who adores the earth he walks on. Occupation means very little these days.

I’ve learned more in two months using game than 10 years of “winging it”.

BTW any thoughts on this particular type of woman: slightly masculine, but with good symmetrical features and a very fit body. In addition to Broadwell think Hope Solo or lots of other Olympic athletes. I’ve known a fair number of girls like this that, despite their masculinity, I’d still have loved to bang. They aren’t quite as high on my list as more feminine girls, but they’re still very attractive.

My opinion: these “slightly masculine” women are very HOT. Not purely beautiful as a more feminine woman perhaps; but they emanate a very dominant, self-aware arrogant, and powerful sexuality; I suppose not completely different from a man. They are powerful physicality and blatantly calculating and status driven nature go hand-in-hand; somehow.

They’re kind of the hetero version of the bull-dyke; sort of a “bull bitch” if you will.

Would a guy crave a girl like that getting on her knees and sucking his anaconda,seeing thje Amazon being tamed,..or would he love to give of himself and bury his face between her strong pale thighs and listen to the sound of her moans? Just asking as I wouldnt mind taking a shot at one of these types of women but they dont really turn me on all that much. Love long dancers legs,tho,instant wood,baby!!

More seriously, though, the tough-as-nails high-T bitches are fun like wrestling your buddy is fun. It sates the competitive instinct but with the added advantage of forcing her femininity (submissiveness) out of her. Like women dressed in men’s shirts accentuates what is unmanly about them through contrast. So forcing a manly woman to return to her proper nature is good times.

I don’t think men really have a problem with sluts who own their sluttitude. I think men have a huge problem with sluts who pretend they are good girls (and thus entitled to things like marriage, family, loyal husband etc.). Unfortunately, a lot of them think they are.

I’m a low-digit-ratio woman. I actually bear enough of a resemblance to Broadwell that my co-workers have spent the last couple of days busting my chops by calling me Paula. And asking if I could tell when the General was “all in.” Good times.

Interestingly, the people who seem to find me the most attractive are, in this order:
1) Lesbians (too bad I turned out straight; I really could have cleaned up with the ladies)
2) Gay men
3) Straight women

Interestingly, the people who seem to find me the most attractive are, in this order:
1) Lesbians (too bad I turned out straight; I really could have cleaned up with the ladies)
2) Gay men
3) Straight women

Lesbians can be very interesting to talk to.
I can kinda relate to the gay thing. ‘Dating’ would be so much easier in these parts if I wasn’t straight.
Straight women finding another straight woman attractive is never a good sign.
When they start trying to set you up with their male friends/colleagues,etc. it’s time to emigrate.

“Straight women finding another straight woman attractive is never a good sign.”

Not necessarily true. Women, unlike men, do size up other women’s attractiveness and competitive value. They often comment on other women’s figures, hair, etc…why do you think all you see is women, in women’s magazines? Women are primarily interested in how other pretty women look and try to emulate them.

By contrast, men never say something like ‘wow, that guy is hot.’ They really don’t pay much attention. Yet, women upon seeing another attractive woman, often say something like ‘wow that girl is pretty, but she is a bitch’ or add something else that’s derogatory to lessen her value.

Trust me, women size up other woman and comment on them all the time. Women are very competitive. “Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the fairest of them all?”

I guess there are two different aspects of this.
Women do size up other women, and do realize which ones are pretty and which ones aren’t, BUT this never translates into what they claim to find attractive in other women.
Example: No female ‘friend’ will ever try to set her male friend up with a woman that male friend would actually find attractive. It will ALWAYS be some homely/fat/fug girl she seems to feel an obligation to try to pimp out to the lowest bidder/most desperate suckah.
Men do size up other men, but American men are so hyper-afraid of being called ‘gay’, this is done in utmost secrecy.
I suppose European men might be more naturally and culturally secure in their masculinity and do not feel the pressing need to prove at every cracking corner just how macho and non-gay they are.
It simply isn’t that big of a deal.
Much like alcohol isn’t The Work Of The Devil in Europe and 1 sideways glimpse of female nuipple does not earn a TV show a XXX rating.

Well naturally. Women are in competition with each other and subconsciously want to be thought of as the most beautiful woman that ever lived. There is no such thing being the most beautiful woman, but all females want to think it’s them, especially if they are 8 and above. Therefore, no woman is going to set you up with a hottie, even if she knew an available one. Well, unless she is an old hag and trying to act as a matchmaker.

As for men sizing up each other, it’s not as intense as in women. Maybe men size up other men for their strength.

And finally regarding the “uptightness” of American culture, America is not as a loose place as Europe is. People still have some measure of old-fashioned values here. Therefore, it’s much easier to bed western-European girls than American ones. But this is changing of course, otherwise guys like YaReally wouldn’t be telling us about their various exploits day in and day out. The clubs are filled with easy hos. Not much game needed. But I am sorry to say, it’s contributing to the downfall of this society. This society moved Left is recent decades and we are seeing the manifestation of this now in American culture. This laxness might be good for the individual PUA who thrives on women giving up their pussies quickly, but I don’t think it’s good for the culture. It’s uncivilized behavior.

And the last thing I want is to make the USA resemble Europe. If you are European and you immigrated to the USA for a different life but now you’re complaining that America is too uptight and Americans make a big deal of sex and alcohol, then what’s the sense in coming here? I don’t understand people from other countries who come here because the US is different, and then try to change the US to resemble their home countries which they left because they didn’t like. Thinks about that.

Why, YaReally …….it’s so lovely to see you back in these parts again. Back to your bogus arguments once more???

You know now that anyone who knows a little bit about the sociopolitical system of both places knows how people’s behavior and thoughts are different in Europe. One doesn’t need to fuck anyone to know that, not even with your fake dick. So stop your bullshit. No one listens to you, only little wannabe playas. Sorry, but you’re NOT the embodiment of the Alpha male in my eyes.

BTW, it’s curious that everything we argued about in a recent thread regarding playas being useless and not Alphas, is the exact thing Matt King has been saying here for months. According to him, running from one pussy to another is no sign of Alphaness, while the male who has character, honor, and respect is a better measure of alpha. LOL! Is it painful for you to read his essays?

From now on, whenever he writes on the meaning of alpha in males, I will use you as the exact example of the trying-too-hard make-believe wannabe-alpha playa. I got you so pegged, and apparently Mr. King thinks like me. Common sense will always win over stupidity, never mind if it’s a pussy or a cock. Common sense is KING! (no pun) 🙂 Carry on!

@ NiteLily – Some aspects of American life do not become evident until it’s too late. And in some ways, it might do then US good to resemble Europe a li’l more. Like not having to go to a university campus for intelligent conversation. Or people being able to find their home state/country on a map. Or not classifying someone who walks/bikes as a sub-human. The list goes on.

In regard to the blustery braggadocio, that’s just par for the course in any and all online forums, topic irrelevant. In ‘dating’ forums, all men are sexual athletes whose erection remains rock-hard for 6 hours in ice water. All women over 35 are irrepressible volcanoes of desire who need guys 20 years younger, because no one else could possibly keep up with the white-hot intensity of their fucking.
Switching gears, on guitar forums, the very first piece everyone learned, within 15 minutes was ‘Stairway to Heaven’, which they played, at triple speed, on a beat-up acoustic with a warped neck and only 4 strings – flawlessly the first time. By ear.
On this forum , every guy is Super-Alpha to the 10th power, bedding nothing but 11’s, while their hopelessly ‘Beta’ millionaire husbands look on in tearful, helpless agony.
And that’s just before breakfast.

“On this forum , every guy is Super-Alpha to the 10th power, bedding nothing but 11′s, while their hopelessly ‘Beta’ millionaire husbands look on in tearful, helpless agony.
And that’s just before breakfast.”

Well……naturally, of course. I never thought anything less.

“Some aspects of American life do not become evident until it’s too late.”

Anything and everything takes time to get to know, not just American life. I’m sure you’d agree with that.
So how long have you been in the USA?

Going on 23 years.
It’s been good in some ways, it’s VASTLY easier to have your own business in the US, for example, but in terms of ‘love life’, coming to America was like taking that mofo into a dark alley and shooting it in the back of the head, Mafia-style.
No wonder Roosh and other PUAs spend most of their time overseas and only report back to the US just long enough to renew their passports.

Wow! 23 years, that’s a long time, indeed. No wonder why your English is so good. Of course….it could also be that you are originally from an English-speaking country.

Anyway, your observations about sex are correct. As I said, American girls are not as loose as European girls. We still have remnants of puritan morality, which I am happy about. However, with the prevalence of gay sex and out-of-wedlock births, that will end in no time flat and our society will sink into moral barbarity to rival that of the Roman Empire, only to be saved this time by Islam (not Christianity). Hello, Europe.

Of course, I am saying this with a bitter tone. It’s just that history has a tendency to repeat itself.

Despite all this, I think you should listen to YaReally’s advise. He is right about you needing to get up and fight for what you want. Nothing comes easy for any of us. You’re issue is you’re not 6-2. Trust me on this one, each one of these guys has another issue he thinks is preventing him for his rightful career, money, success, women – take your pick. YaReally is trying to dispel your fears and get you out and do something, just like a personal trainer motivates you to finish a set when you’re feeling that burn and ready to give up too soon.

In that aspects he’s right. Don’t hide behind issues you think are preventing you from succeeding. Get up and change things. That’s a very positive message.

BTW, Greg Gutfeld from Fox news is very short. He married a model. Now don’t tell me it’s because he is famous, as he married her a while before he really made it. It’s just that his personality is very aggressive, and he comes across as a man with a purpose. You can tell by the way he speaks that he is compensating for his short stature. I could be wrong, it’s just my guess though. Acting very extroverted is definitely a tactic that works for many men.

Of course, Islam will not save us. I meant that I’m bitter about Islam moving in. Back in Roman times we had Christianity so save us from depravity, but now we have nothing and Islam is moving in to take advantage of our society, which is made up of mostly spineless ignorant people.

In depth and informative as always… but you really could have reduced the length of this post..

by just putting a pic of the wife and the mistress side by side and left it there.

Patrayus (too lazy to spell it) performed the reverse of the sphere’s current whipping horse, hypergamy. Whereas the checks and balances and rules keeping hypergamy were tossed aside and women celebrate their ease of chucking men overboard when the next best thing comes along in terms of money, power, status, fitness…

the second Patrayus (a dude) follows his biological conditioning (polyandry, femogamy, whatever the fuck you want to call going after younger supple fuckable babes) he’s Hitler incarnate and the boogerman for following his dick off a cliff.

The picture tells the tale. He’s following the same script ALL women would follow. When you have the option and availability to do so, you will.

It’s only because he’s a man that this is news. (and a general in charge of a war ill grant you that.) But remember the massive plea from the jizziebelles to forgive manjaw Twilight chick from fucking around on Pattenson and put the blame on the horny director? I don’t hear them now complaining about saving Patrayus and putting the blame on the mistress dejour.

This phenomenon really should be the nail in the coffin to the equalist brigade who say that men just like bitches like women like assholes. You will NEVER see the female version of Petraeus — both in status and age (i. e. 60 year old director of a firm or business) — have an affair with the male version of Petraeus’ mistress.

Sure you can.
A 60 year old female CEO can attract an ambitious late-30s subaltern if he has an agenda.
Or even a good-looking late 30s good-looking beta with mommy issues who was brainwashed to value strong independant mature women.

Never say never. There are enough beta souls out there who would indulge in the most cringeworthy scenarios.

If you can get “love” out of that one (note: I not keen on debasing love to account for the Petraeus/Armytranmp affairs as well), you are either quite the alchemist, or dealing with genuinely crazy people.

AfuckinMEN on this post. It is entirely possible for a man to sincerely love multiple women at the same time. Women just dont have the biological makeup to do so themselves and if they did, stronger men would forcibly keep them from doing so.

Rather women’s biological makeup seems to support them sharing one high status man.

I find it sad that men in “civilized” society no longer have the sack to inflict violence upon other men that poach their property(women).

The alpha of yore enjoyed his harem because of the trail of bodies it took to gather so many concubines and keep them. He truly fucking earned the rights to them. Ahhh the past. Such nostalgia.

The problem is you can’t bash the shit out of the “Other man”, You end up in jail, your soon to be X get’s restraining orders, you never get to see your kids etc. Then three months later the bastard is living in your house and driving your freaking car. Sad f’in world we live in now.

It’s called government being the problem. It always is. The solution is simple: Get rid of it. Scary thing is, even the two dimbulb cuckolds who just saw their wifes’ appropriate position reduced to stoning targets on taxpayers dime, are currently so progressively indoctrinated that they won’t pick up on that one. Thankfully, the lesson is not so likely lost on those who have seen their kids blown up on account of decisions made by General Taxfeeder so that he could appear more manly and powerful to the whores in his surroundings.

Mrs. Petraeus looks like someone Fons & Porter would have as a guest on their PBS quilting show. We’d have to see pics from 40 years ago to make a call.
This picture of Mrs. Broadwell looks like something you might see on a Russian ‘mail order bride’ site. Complete with fake stats, fake profile text, etc. Have your VISA or MasterCard ready.Except for the hands, they make her look 50.
Wouldn’t a man who is high status but otherwise not attractive to women be called a Gamma?
To me, Mr. Petraeus calls to mind one of the all-time classic Gammas of world literature, Claude Frollo, archdaecon of Paris in Victor Hugo’s ‘Notre Dame de Paris’.

This is why I’m hooked up with a librarian. The profession is 85 or 90 percent women, her higher-up bosses are buffoon city bureaucrat types, and male librarians as a rule aren’t exactly swashbucklers. I get to play the beta by supporting her in her career, not have much work competition, and still make several multiples of what she makes. It’s a prescription for a long and happy relationship. Both of us have healthy BMIs too.

I can’t do the take-down on this whole scandal as well as our host, but I have had some fun over on Slate with this, posting some red-pill over there and just generally giving them sh*t about it.

The question is: is the jaw naturally like that or is it all the training that makes it mannish?

If you google “female bodybuilder” then you’ll… wait, no, never mind, *don’t* google “female bodybuilder”. (Of course the fact that many of ’em are probably juicing must be a huge factor; lifting alone might not give you a manjaw but ‘roids defintitely can. Wouldn’t be surprised if they take testosterone, too.)

Tell me about it! that’s why I love this site (as a woman). It keeps me in check and gives me the bitter truth about the importance of physical appearance to men especially when dating an alpha (which I am). I was always tiny with curves but now I am even more toned complete with flat abs and he can’t get enough (I always glee and think of this site) lol

No sweat. Submarine crews (much like tank crews and fighter pilots) tend to be on the short side. For obvious reasons.
If there’s anything in this universe women HATE, it’s men under 6’2.
Pilots might get a pass for the ‘glamor’ aspect.
No glamor on a sub.

I don’t want to be in self-serving denial about height, but I’m 5’8″ and I honestly do fine. Maybe it’s the status that comes with being from a locally recognizable, wealthy family? IQ, in shape, artistic talent? These may be compensating factors but they do the job. Since I’ve started learning game and going to grad school, I’ve dated a couple of girls who, when in heels, which they usually are, are outright taller than I am.

Not being tall means that I a priori rule out girls over a certain height, as I expect them to rule me out. That still leaves tens of millions of eligibles.

Rich daddy and/or guitar will compensate for some of it, at least until you’re about late 20’s/early 30’s or so. Abs help, IQ is only relevant as far as it relates to your income/potential.
College is pretty much the cutoff point where heightism turns rabid in women.
Basic rule of thumb: 6’2 is the desired minimum to qualify for ‘desirable male’ status. Anyone under that will have problems, which will rapidly multiply with every inch you miss the magic mark by.
If the top of her head is below your chin, you’ve cleared hurdle 1 and may be ‘her type’. Between chin and eyes, you’re borderline, and final acceptance will depend on a host of other factors, most of them having to do with your looks, age and cashflow, in roughly that order. Above your eye level, you most likely have no shot.
Try anyway, there are (very, very few) exceptions.
Scratch all the above if you are famous/rich/royalty.

This story and that wife illustrate another principle, the lack of dread. Ms. Petraeus got old real quick once she got that ring. Sadly, the world is changing, either the concept of adultery or marriage has to change. And since the left sings of “marriage equality” but has unironically made marriage unfair and unequal for men, maybe it’s time to really open our eyes before we agree to subsidize some girl’s retirement plans.

Maybe she was, but I have to say I doubt it. She was probably a cute girl, not hot. From her facial structure I can tell she wasn’t really hot. I bet the cuteness wore off in her 30s, as opposed to many women who can still look smoking hot in their 30s.

Let’s put it this way, as a woman in her 30s, Mrs. P was no Pula Boadwell.

In the near future lesbians will be able to marry in uniform, attain mutual off-post housing allowance, and birth IVF children on the taxpayer dime, all the while riding their military career trajectory under protection as gays and women.

The New Normal however does not include heterosexual Generals getting some strange.

In more advanced cultures the high-ranking officers are more like gangsters and affect the same stone-cold facial expression. It would be highly imprudent for a member of the press to publicize the local Colonel’s recent night on the karaoke circuit with his girlfriends.

“In the near future lesbians will be able to marry in uniform, attain mutual off-post housing allowance, and birth IVF children on the taxpayer dime, all the while riding their military career trajectory under protection as gays and women.”

The values of the Left are hard at work trying to destroy the values of our society. It’s reached a point where most people can’t distinguish right from wrong anymore.

The Gay Elite in Hollywood and 5th Avenue seduce children into warped sexual behavior, university professors bullshiting about lack of equality and American colonialism, the media deep steeped in yellow journalistic tactics to get only Leftist elected, confessed murderers get set free by defense attorneys who know how to wield the race card while Hollywood brainwash us about racism in the justice system, promiscuous gay men spread AIDS and other STDs with impunity, Feminist Elite hatred of men, marriage and motherhood, Black Elite screaming racism at anyone who dares to question Black behavior, and single women are free to have children out of wedlock or through IVF and we have to pay for their resources.

The worst thing conservative did was let the Left control education. Education is the key to everything. We lost our civilization with the Department of Education.

Regarding conservative stupidity, anyone who is this shortsighted and couldn’t see what the future might hold, is not wise at all. Didn’t conservatives realize years ago that the Left is successful in its campaign to change America only because it controlled education? Steps should have been taken to change that. Now it’s too late. Conservative only now waking up to the fact the country is left of center and that’s why Obama won. Really? Pat Buchanan has been saying for 20 years that this day will come if we’re not careful. It fell on deaf ears.

You forgot to mention that Petraeus’ wife wears pants. Pants that emphasize her weight gain. At the very least, women like her should understand their duty to wear dresses. Such gestures toward femininity should be considered the bare minimum, beneath which infidelity is considered justified.

“The belief that a man cannot love more than one woman at once is ingrained deeply in the psyche of the masses. Most cling tightly to hopes that non-monogamous relationships cannot be loving.”

I believe that men can love more than one woman at once but unfortunately most women are not willing to share their man. I want to have someone who will make me feel safe all the time not just 50% of time. Who wants to be alone because her man went to sleep with another woman he also loves …?!

The percentages vary with differences in status. Which, when it comes right down to it, varies primarily with the willingness of betas to bend over, and choose “safety” over liberty/self determination, which seems to be ion the rise big-time in the West these days, on account of universal publicly funded progressive indoctrination into the finer modes of hero worship.

As long as the gullibles can cost effectively be led to believe that it is in their favor to fund and arm guys like Petraeus; while accepting that they themselves don’t really need decent weapons to protect themselves, as long as the dark triad alpha (s most likely) who is boning their wife gets to have plenty of them, more and more women will become increasingly comfortable playing part time harem honey.

I understand that, but I’m still tempted to make a joke about him not necessarily sleeping with each partner separately.

I wonder what people here think of triad relationships? I doubt I could be in one, but it’s an interesting thought. The women, even if they are the lovers of each other as well as their man, will be inherently in competition and thus giving each other a lot of incentive to stay in shape/feminine/attractive.

In open, public, committed polygynous relationships, competition isn’t really that big a factor. One man with resources can keep a whole slew of women pregnant, without any of the parties having t worry about neither resource starvation, social standing nor parental certainty. The latter simply does not work in one woman-multiple men scenarios, which is why they make no widespread sense.

The competition aspect only enters pollygyny full force if it has to be kept under the table or is considered unacceptable/less worthy. Say, even if a rich guy can perfectly well afford to keep multiple women, mainstream US society will tend to look down on the gals who “have to share a man”, sleep alone (as if that’s some sort of negative) etc., etc.

“I believe that men can love more than one woman at once but unfortunately most women are not willing to share their man.”

I don’t believe a man can love more than one woman at the same time, no more than a woman can love more than one man at the same time. People are confusing lust with love. A man might have attraction to more than one woman at the same time, and lust for her sex, but real love is made up of complete focus on your woman, gamming her and making her totally hooked on you. However, when a man has more than one female in his life, he doesn’t bother too much gamming any of them because gamming a woman is hard work. A man will do it only if he cares enough about his lady to engage in such concentration. Women know that instinctively and refuse to let that happen. Once he starts bedding another woman, she lost him in the soul mate category.

That said, I don’t think General Patraeus was/is in love with his wife. His focus was off his wife years before he started with Broadwell. Whether or not he had a previous lover, we don’t know. But I am guessing no, as he’s too beta and his career was his only solace in the face of reality – having such a horrid wife. Therefore, I think heartiste is right on the money when he says Patraeus was probably in love with Broadwell. I am sure it’s true. The man was dying of sexual thirst for years.

You didn’t witness whole slews of men, from grunts to famous politicians, bow their heads and defer to him on a daily basis; while he sat back and commandeered them. To, amongst other things, kill village kids by the thousands, in Petraeus’ case.

I know plenty of people who aren’t particularly attractive, until women find out who they “are”, see them get in a stage and grab a microphone in front of a few hundred to thousand starry eyed “fans” or whatnot. It’s all situational.

To be fair, Petraeus was the strategist who strangled the ROEs to the point that hundreds of Americans have been killed to avoid even the slightest possibility that there would be local collateral damage.

And Mara’s right. Not all generals are attractive, physically or otherwise. And when the power attraction is there, it’s something intrinsic to the man, separate from his ability to demand the respect of other men. Rank doesn’t make the man. You’d be amazed how many of these guys are power-hungry, inconsiderate, irritating, assholes.

If you guys have some time on your hands, you should watch this spanish movie titled “come undone”(available free on Hulu with English subtitles). You would see a similar instance of cucockdry played out due to inveterate betaness. CH, you should see it too.

General Ham, Patreaus, and Allen were sacked by O. Barnhardt had a great article on this about how it reminded her of The Night Of the Long Knives where Hitler eliminated his enemies. She also talked about how rotten these high-ranking military folks are with wife swapping and infidelity and such. With women now in the military, even alphas in the military best beware of all women’s advances.

Military officers are not alphas, by a long shot. They are paper-pushers who have to assiduously grovel and kiss ass to get ahead. The exception might be if you have high combat decorations, but few do. But women love what they love, and Paula Broadwell was a sort of military groupie, so a four-star would be a big turn on for her. Hell Paulie Shore has groupies, and competitive eaters have groupies, so any way to stand out helps.

She went to West Point, which adds an entirely other dimension onto things. Probably had to be high-T just to get through the fitness tests and field exercises. Developed a pathological need for one of the budding alphas around there (service academies contain a higher percentage of alpha males than the general service does) who wouldn’t look at anything in those hideous gray uniforms. Adapted by becoming one of the class sluts, or shutting her sexuality down to the point where it exploded out later. Never underestimate the effect it has on a woman to be shoved into an environment where those hypergamous instincts are telling her that every man she meets is eligible for a good screw, but none of them see her as anything more than an annoyance.

Is doctor the profession of choice for betas of above average intelligence? High stress, years of studying (during your twenties to boot), long and unpleasant hours, but a fat paycheck. Socially acceptable to pretty much everybody. Conventional high status. Not dangerous.

He’s an Interventional Radiologist – much longer training and much more money than the average doc – more comparable to a cardiologist who does angioplasty – almost a surgeon’ mentality. Although they would be near the top of SMV in our profession, they work so many hours (and get off on the work), they usually are pretty sedate away from the suite. If he works at a big hospital, he could have almost endless low risk trim-plows with hottie nurses (heh).

Although very high social status and alpha maleness correlate, it is by no means exact. Petraeus’s (or was it Allen’s?) self-incriminating email avalanche is some proof that he harbors the soul of a beta. A real alpha male does not do the email equivalent of gushing like a lovestruck schoolgirl, unless he really was lovestruck.

Now that you know that the “tens of thousands of sappy emails” never existed — and that a moment’s reflection should have made you instantly suspicious of such a stupid TMZ-like rumor — what do you have to say?

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good theory, brah.

What you and the rest of your dick-fixated theorists forget is that men who don’t share your adolescent pussy fascination are not lesser men by definition. Indeed, great men positively cannot suffer this pathology if they intend to achieve lifelong goals that require focus, such as becoming one of your country’s most celebrated generals in history. This overinterpretation of what constitutes “alpha” and “beta” obscures your more righteous observations, which apply truly but more narrowly than you have the insight (or courage) to admit.

What is your alt-world vision? That the “conventionally alpha” (read: any man of value who doesn’t fritter away his power capital on hundreds of forgettable lays) must have a harem of women while he pursues manly accomplishment — or in the place of manly accomplishment should the two pursuits conflict? The Director of Central Intelligence should have a couple of secret-spilling bitches on the line while he runs a spy agency? Do you think James Bond is real?

The God of Biomechanics does not reward virtue. His works are Total Gonad.

This is where you lose me, and where you lose every self-respecting man who has overcome whatever beta teenage envy he may have harbored during the high hormonal years, and most especially those of us who never felt such resentment. Not only have I seen virtue rewarded consistently, repeatedly, and predictably, I have also seen plenty of “Total Gonad” partisans collapse like the overburdened addicts they have made themselves out to be. Your ideology fashions the pornstar into the ideal man.

A man does not remain faithful to his wife for the same reasons she sexually attracts him. When she loses her tit to breast cancer, does that justify infidelity? “Total Gonad” is total cowardice. You possess no virtue so you dismiss virtue itself as impotent, which makes you believe, and thereafter preach, that it cannot possibly be rewarded. As much as the tyranny of feminist cuntitude must be overthrown, the fight makes no sense if you seek to replace it with another tyranny, this time under the similarly elastic name “biomechanics.”

Game theory has jumped the shark. If game weren’t so important to creating a generation of men strong enough to overthrow the vagocracy, I’d dismiss your pseudoprofundity with a wave of my hand. You come so close to completing a gourmet dish, only to overseason it in fit of epileptic shakes.

It stands to be said that new guests of the Chateau must unerstand that most theories that are propounded here by the host are “embellished” and sometimes rather exaggerated to create a “high” for the readership. It is just for entertainment reasons, and regulars here know them for what they are for.The fundamental theory here that needs no joking around with is “dont be a beta” and all other flesh that are added to the theory are just to drive home the point.

I recognize this and agree. So then where do those of us who do not require “embellish[ment]” go to speak among men? We don’t require an exaggerated account, and frankly, the stoking to get betas “high” enough to pay attention is not just dull to the rest of us, but positively grating.

Worst of all, though, are the uppity chumps who yip-yap in rote repetition of their superior who hosts this site, mistaking the exaggeration for creed, declaring all dissenters anathema, and leading the naïve “new guests” into a permanent cartoon world that few of them want to do more than visit.

I understand both sides of the argument… all I’ll say is that being an alpha male doesn’t mean actually banging lots of hot women (as King A seems to be suggesting), but having the potential to. And along with being alpha comes benefits incidental to said potential.

Just when I thought this forum has taken an oversimplified turn with the whole “alpha” vs. “beta” comes this great insight.
Most times when the argument is broken down to high level observations and/or generalizations; the truth which lays in the details is lost.

Hmm….personally, I never bought this Greek alphabet pop-psychology & agree with you 90+%. Both with more realist evaluation of masculine psychology & morality, especially re so-called high achievers.

But I disagree with your cantankerous, even inimical attitude to CH (although I suppose he doesn’t care at all). Why bother with this site if you’re so virulently opposed ? IMO, CH has interspersed his grand futile theory with true nuggets of wisdom & genuine insight.

You have a point that most men (unlike our host and many others here) don’t value pussy over all else, though almost all value it pretty damn highly.

You also have a point that the ability to sleep with the most and the prettiest women is not considered by most people to be the apex of manhood, though it is a significant component.

But you fail to realize that this undermines your argument. Men can achieve alphahood in terms of overall social status while still remaining weak in how they relate to women. Since social status in and of itself is quite attractive to women, these men can often get very pretty women to sleep with them, at least initially. But these women will eventually be torn between their attraction to his social position and their aversion to his weak behaviour towards them, something they often won’t notice until well into the relationship. Sometimes they will actually leave/cheat on him because of that weakness. The beta male in alpha clothing, at least in terms of sexual market value, is real.

This may or may not apply to Petreaus, but a better example would be Kurt Cobain.

Men can achieve alphahood in terms of overall social status while still remaining weak in how they relate to women. Since social status in and of itself is quite attractive to women, these men can often get very pretty women to sleep with them, at least initially.

Absolutely. But this subtlety is lost in the attempt to deny Petraeus’s more comprehensive alphahood (merely a “beta male in alpha clothing,” you see) for the purpose of redefining true alpha as simple sexual conquistadors. Even more absurd is the fact that they declare his core betatude based on a silly factoid that any neutral observer would have seen through on the spot: there is no “self-incriminating email avalanche”. There is no lovesick beta behavior outside self-reinforcing PUA gossip, kibbitzing like a bunch of scandalized old women.

Petraeus is an alpha who hasn’t honed his sexual advantage for various reasons. It is a very different and much more misleading thing to say that he has “the soul of a beta.” The reason why PUA’s discern the quality of a person’s soul this way is because they have one brute criterion: how does he manage pussy? That is fine for their purposes, if they stick to their purposes. But commenting on the supposed beta tells six-times removed from an ex-general and DCI is the very definition of exceeding their pick-up purposes.

They operate through fantasy caricatures conjured to fit predetermined theoretical results that have nothing to do with reality. A disconnect from the real leads to a confirmation bias that weakens the theory against challenge. And the theory is too important to allow its best promoters to weaken it by lazy assumption, erroneous applicability, or wild overinterpretation.

If they want to expand game wisdom beyond pick up, it requires a broader understanding of the world than they exhibit. More important, it requires a careful sorting-out between the applicable and non-applicable. When the entire “community” rises in one chorus to declare a conqueror of nations to be a secret beta, it demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that they have neither the understanding nor the subtlety to expand their wisdom past a narrow bailiwick.

The alpha male commands respect and moves men about his will. That is the definition, plain and simple. It existed long before Mystery Man came along and will persist long after CH leaks his last dump into a colostomy bag. The pack alpha defines, organizes, and directs the pack. All else are derivative, secondary effects of this status, from the perks of getting groomed, to the privilege of eating first, to the advantage of sexual selection. They are the compensation he enjoys for maintaining an independent solidarity among his kind against internal and external threats. They do not reverse-define alpha. He doesn’t bang shewolves to become alpha; he proves his leadership, and only then enjoys their furholes.

So rather than sniveling about how world figures and commanders of armies aren’t really alpha, the one-trick-pony PUA should rather take a hard look in the mirror. If your program counsels beta males to acquire the outward characteristics of the alpha to get laid, and indeed dismisses everyone who is not with that peculiar program, then who better defines the “beta male in alpha clothing” than himself?

When she loses her tit to breast cancer, does that justify infidelity?

Ask John Edwards. Certainly his own wife’s degradation due to cancer accelerated his desire to stray — sexual deprivation is sexual deprivation, whether it’s due to lack of attraction, pregnancy, absence, or disease. The sack doesn’t care about why.

Like Patraeus, Edwards’s original sin was marrying a woman near his own age, only worse, as Elizabeth was four years older — a true lightyear in gender-age difference.

Stop conflating justification with explanation. CH’s point is that justification doesn’t even matter. It’s a fait accompli when the disparity between Wife and Mistress is monumental, as is the case in L’affair Patraeus, which is why he said “God of Biomechanics” doesn’t reward virtue. Maybe you do, but you aren’t biomechanics.

More to the point, CH didn’t even mention anything about “the ideal man,” because it’s an irrelevant abstraction. His ‘ideology’ also explicitly disqualifies the male porn star from such contention because the porn star does not command fidelity, exclusivity, and devotion for the (albeit) hundreds of young paid-for sluts he bangs.

Way to miss the salient point and try to shame away following one’s sexual desire as “cowardice.”

What about simply say screw you to tyrannies? As in, the goon band that prevents Mr. Cuckold von Armytramp from doing to General Taxfeeder and his erstwhile favorite cum dumpster, what men in that more civilized country the two aforementioned’s used as a setting for their infidelities, would do in his situation? As in, shoot him, stone her, move on.

I recommended the highly versatile Divorce-A-Bitch, as advertised on TV; then conspicuously fucking a blindingly hot nurse under twenty-seven with a mouth like a wound. And carelessly alluding to how tediously masculine Broadwell was in bed by comparison. Let comments like “I like feminine women ” slip.

I cannot agree for you seem eager to make a false generalization…womanizers (the old-fashioned word for player) have long stood comfortably amongst the ranks of the greatest men in history: Caesar, Henry of Navarre, Stanford White, Ramses II, Benjamin Franklin…the list goes on and on.

To be sure, great men exhibit vastly different qualities when it comes to women, but to say that the player is not common to that category is flatly wrong. And in your qualification we find what disqualifies this proposition of yours: that in order to create a generation of men strong enough to put society back to rights, men need to learn the Venusian arts and be able to play the role of the player.

Ultimately, accomplishment is sometimes accompanied by prudishness, but it is also accompanied by promiscuity with roughly equal frequency. To each their own, then, I say.

As a last note, it is not beta teenage envy that propels game, it’s joy that comes with the freedom from precisely that.

To be sure, great men exhibit vastly different qualities when it comes to women, but to say that the player is not common to that category is flatly wrong.

Who is saying that? I only said we should be careful not to mistake contingent effects for essence.

Let me try it this way. “Great men” can do what players do, i.e., get the highest quality women without even trying. Indeed, groupies become a regular problem — a difficulty the beta cannot imagine and therefore dismisses as “a problem I’d shurr’d like ta have!!”

On the other hand, the “player” cannot do what great men do, i.e., lead men and bend them to his will. The player’s defining goal, bedding high-quality women, requires a great deal of training, trying, and imitation insofar as he is not naturally alpha.

That is, the goals of one are a subset of the other’s. For the alpha, pussy is the sweet dessert at the end of a feast — a coincidence to his main efforts. For the player, it comprises his whole meal — the focus of all his efforts.

I see, I agree with that. However, I can only speak to my experience which was realizing through game that pussy isn’t everything. Before I got into PUA stuff my lack of game cast a shadow over almost everything I did…it was only afterwards that I could finally concentrate on other matters with confidence and self-assurance. Now, is there a danger that some will just dedicate themselves to pussy and nothing else? Yeah, definitely, but that’s their path and the rest of us can learn heaps from them. Is there also the danger that a successful man will succumb to the machinations of women? Yes, and we see this time and again throughout history. You’re right to point out the problems of the former but we should not forget the pitfalls of the latter.

Of the 100,000 people, there were people from many doctrines, from conservative to liberal to marxist to fascist. Socialists came out on bottom, with an average IQ of 87. The second worst were Liberals and then Marxists, with 88 and 89 respectively. Conservatives received an average score of 110, which is significantly above average. However, the conservatives did not score the highest. The holder of second place were Communists with an average I.Q of 115, and the first place was apolitical people who did not follow any specific doctrine, who received a whopping score on average of 135.

The average IQ of blacks is 85, and for Hispanics 90. Smart commies could be easily explained by the average Jewish IQ of 115. I consider myself conservative, but despise a lot of positions that conservatives are “supposed” to have.

[heartiste: i think that “study” is supposed to be a joke or something.]

American Blacks, which are 22% Anglo-American. Their dark continent brethren score is closer to 70. Surely some savvy American Negro has considered resurrecting the W. E. B. Du Bois theory: “If this is all they have to offer, we’ll be running this place in 6 months.”

if whites have such high IQs, why are they in the position they are in today with a nigger in their white house, a kike in their wallet, their son imitating the latest nigger rapper and their daughter worshipping aunt Jamima with a perm?

You white people gotta start doing some great and vast shit again or stfu

It helps to remember that everything King A posts is designed to convice readers that their dissolute, wanton PUA lifestyle will lead, if not to the fires of Hell (though I’m sure that’s what he really thinks, but is reluctant to admit), then to a desolate, meaningless life. He has no interest in Game per se; instead, he wants to save as many souls as he can, by persuading them to adopt a nebulous, never-quite-articulated lifestyle that is beefy, Christian, and Stoic, all at once.

King A is the internet’s equivalent of the subway masturbator wearing a “Repent now, Sinners, the End is Near” sign. Judge him accordingly.

And for a dissenting point of view, I’m not a believer, and I’m whoremonger and male slut from way back but when King A writes, I feel like I’m hearing from a modern-day saint who’s managed to keep up. Open up your soul just a bit, Tertullian. King A reeks of brilliance and authenticity.

I see virtue rewarded inconsistently, non-repeatedly, and unpredictably. Furthermore, by women, I see it consistently and predictably punished.

That’s because you, along with the feminists and white knights, call the wrong things virtue. I don’t fault you for this but rather your educators and your culture. Virtue is not kindness, tolerance, supplication, and debasement. Virtue is not naivete or niceness.

Most specifically virtue is courage, wisdom, justice, and temperance.

The more you grasp for yourself, the less you retain. The more you act righteously, the more righteousness you receive. You are so far gone that these words sound like tricks to you — because we were brought up in a funhouse of distorting mirrors.

You have no examples of virtue in your life. Your consciousness was defined by the deliberately nihilistic antiheroism of post-60s cinema. Earnest exemplars of virtue have been made into the butt of jokes, so you regard virtue itself as a joke.

Virtue, from the Latin vir or “man,” simply means excellence. If you do not understand the intrinsic reward of being excellent, you are either a corrupted shell of a man, or no longer a man at all.

In women, which live the better lives, the whores or the chaste? I know our culture’s answer, and I know the wannabe PUA’s’ answer, but what does your experience tell you? Who ultimately become the more well adjusted? The high-school pin-cushions for cock, or the girls who manage not to bang their entire dormitory?

Finally a great text. Although I don’t believe in pseudo-science promoted here (alpha, beta, ..etc.)- never did- CH has exhibited tons of common sense re this particular subject.

1. Petraeus & his wife. I mean, just compare looks of his wife & Mrs. Broadwell. General was helpless. Perhaps only a saint & a fanatical celibate monk would resist the temptation. Petraeus could be reasonably expected to “abstain” for a month or two, but not anymore. While physical appearance is not the central appeal of a man, even in this respect Petraeus looks, I’d say, 20 years younger & way better than his wife.

2. what’s intriguing is the end of the post: what will cuckolded hubbies do ? If they’re men (in the traditional sense), they will not overly dramatize, but nothing short of divorce will have sufficed. If ….

Ironic, coming from a man with no balls, whose only war he’s ever waged is on an Internet site where he’s either commenting + 100 on the bottom of Matt King (who’s worship-worthy, no doubt), or running to the rescue of his fellow cry-baby Nazi menz, who always need rescuing form niggas, Jooz, and misguided white vimmen (in a German accent, of course).

What a man’s man. The Alpha in all his glory. Um, um, um, Barack Hussein Obama, aaaaaa mean Greg Eliot.

A man willing to dive into a dumpster to pull out a box of kittens who’ve been left to die by some asswipe who probably thinks of him(or her-)self as an ‘Alpha’ is the best there is in this godforsaken world.
The pussy will have to wait until after they’ve been to the ve,fed, etct.

Heartiste talkes about Mrs. Petraeus “letting herself go”. But looking at her picture, it is hard to tell what she should or even could have done. Her full figure is never shown AFAIK, so I cannot tell if she is fat. Her face is fallen, this happens to a lot of people as they age, but is usually ignored in a man. Short of a major facelift, not much could have been done. And even generals do not make lots of money (unless very top-level and after retirement). They get great benefits, but I doubt that it covers face lifts.

Face lift wouldn’t have done much for this one. She needed not to gain so much weight. Weight gain is the number one killer of looks. And by the looks of her facial structure, she was never a great beauty. I am sure of it. Maybe someone can find her portrait from 40-years ago and you will see that I am right. Her mouth looks like Greta Van Susteren, not exactly sexually exciting, except Greta has straight teeth, and this one doesn’t. I hate crooked teeth.

And Greta is 58, so roughly her age, and she looks much younger, probably because she is thin and indeed had a facelift.

“How in tarnation is Petraeus’s potato sack poster wife for Puritan living supposed to compete with this fuel-injected sex machine? There isn’t a man alive who would pass up a chance at tapping that harlot if his only alternative was Miss Massachusetts 1687. You may as well dangle a chunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion’s maw and expect it to sit still for twenty years.”

LOL! Precisely, especially since she is the one who was the aggressor in this. Did you hear that? She made the first move on him, not the other way around. The woman is something else. A sex machine is not too far off from the truth.

She saw him at Harvard when he was giving a speech there a few years back, and she convinced him that she is a writer when in fact she wrote nothing about anything. Through him, she managed to get military clearance and became a reservist. How did she pull that, only God knows. Regardless, it was a ploy to get into his life. At first, she told him she is going to write a book on the military, and then when they were involved already she changed it to a biography book about him.

The whole thing was either a ploy to get into his life because she fancied him sexually, or it was a ploy to make money. Meaning she wanted to use him to write a book and create a scandal to sell that book. Who knows? We have to wait and see when more details emerge.

Call her what you want, but she is awe inspiring to say the least. Her tactics are better than any planned military action.

It’s a genuine field. It’s a combination of sales and engineering for selling super-technical shit where the ability to actually understand the product, and perhaps to design and implement modifications to it in collaboration with the customer, is important.

Or to put it less charitably, it’s a salesman job for people who have fancy engineering degrees and don’t want to be called “salesmen”.

I never heard of a sales engineer, but its kind of interesting it came up because I was just contemplating a couple of hours ago how one of the biggest flaws in our political system is we essentially elect people who know how sell themselves to get the job of elected official, but are actually far less qualified – taking into account that they are almost always looking to the next election and responding to big contributors – than the average person to perform the job.

You gotta look good, know your product, work your influence, endure rejection and setbacks, make the sale, be vindicated. And it’s like being in the mob : if you’re a good earner you can do whatever you want. Stop earning and it’s concrete shoes or getting drawn before the wall. There is nothing more alpha than bringing money into the organization, also known as being a “rainmaker”.

But full confession. Though I talk a big line on these blogs I’ve only brought in a couple million in contracts in the last 5 years. A million ain’t much. Still beats the beta slot I was working when Encorpera gave me the axe on my 50th birthday. If I had understood all this years ago I would own a company now.

Three guys in my office are Naval Academy-educated Marines. All Vietnam-era combat officers. Which makes them older than Petraeus.

Their take on Petraeus/Broadwell is that when Type A male hardass male meets Type A female hardass, this is how their affair ends. How it inevitably ends.

Petraeus and Broadwell are each used to getting their way. They succeeded by smashing anything/anyone in the way. Neither is especially experienced at dealing with people sexually/socially.

Petraeus has an entourage of flunkies who kiss his ass. Probably been decades since the last time someone who was his equal told him to fuck himself.

Broadwell is one of those girls who is too uptight and neurotic to have had lots of boyfriends. She probably married first or second guy she ever fucked.

Two social retards. Yeah, he’s running the CIA but he’s too clueless to know how easily emails can be stores/traced. And no one at the CIA probably ever thought to warn him.

Paula’s also a bit clueless about all this new technology. Has hard drive full of secret documents she may or may not legally possess. Which even if she has right to possess need to be proper stored. But knows enough that when she start harassing a rival, she goes to cyber cafe to do it.

Probably never occurred to her that given the stakes, to her marriage and career as well as his, the wiser course was to do nothing.

At lunch today, my Marines had endless stories about hardass Type A military females using spectacular bad judgment to go after someone — while destroying themselves in the process.

The famous one is the female naval aviator who ratted out the boys at the 1991 Tailhook convention because she was pissed they groped her in a hallway. She didn’t think that the Navy would come after her for taking off her top and dancing on a bar at the same convention. Navy even warned her to withdraw her complaint because she’d become a target of any investigation.

These three Marine officers are all Type A hardasses themselves. Far smarter and better educated than your typical jarhead but still macho as fuck. Not one of them has any game. Watching them chat up a girl is the game-equivalent of storming the beaches at Iwo Jima — no finesse whatsoever. Just charge.and keep charging until the enemy machine-guns you.

‘The pressure to stay sexy and feminine will be much more strongly felt by a wife hitched to a valuable alpha male. After all, he has options most men don’t. The luxury of resting on her wifely laurels to scarf down a pint of Edy’s is not in the cards for such women. To put it mildly: Ladies, if you want the alpha male, be prepared to put in the hard work to keep him amused.’

well, let’s be fair, ch. the woman in question is sixtyish. all your remarks about the fading appeal of post-40 women indicate that you acknowledge there’s no way she could compete against her much younger rival even if she worked overtime at that ridiculously futile endeavor. let’s face it– her surrender to aging is more unconditional than some but that wouldn’t have stopped her husband’s philandering.

compare her plight to that of the equally humiliated maria shriver. who certainly couldn’t be accused of ‘letting herself go’.

it plain sucks to be the alpha’s wife, unless she values the alpha’s progeny more than the man himself. perhaps only then can she have the last laugh.

People have been ragging on this Broadwell (she’s even got the name of a Bond Girl for chrissake), but seriously, Petraeus couldn’t get a second glance from a woman like her if he was a mechanic and she was a diner waitress. Photos of these two should be used as a lesson for fugly looking 13-year-old boys everywhere. Reach for those stars. The rewards are well worth it.

Also: in Sad State of Humanity News, she’d drop his ass mid-fuck if Ghengis Khan strutted into the room. Ann Romney and Michelle Obama would likely do the same.

Taking a good, hard, and even more compassionate look at the wife at a few angles, I have to concede that she did indeed let herself go. I know a woman older than her with about the same raw looks who is also about the same size, who simply looks better. She won’t let me post her photos here on on my blog, but I so wish I could so you all could see what a 60+ year old woman can look like without any plastic surgery, botox, or other insane procedures, if only she takes care of herself.

Her husband, by the way, is alpha-with-money, and she looks like a very compatible match for him. She’s even a couple of years older, but young guys still hit on her…much the same as both my grandmothers’ situations until they were pushing 80.

Not much one can do about aging, but there is a whole lot one can do about grooming. There is no excuse for a woman letting herself go except lack of interest in having sex. If that is the case, then there should be no such thing as cheating, and she should be clear about encouraging her husband to pursue discreet affairs…but even then, if she has a husband in the public eye or with some rank, she should keep up her appearance. Let the people at least have their dreams of a happily ever, since you’re working for “the man” anyway.

It’s not as if it’s harmful to get a decent haircut, dress nicely, and wear a little makeup. Even if you have one of those ambush alphas with a kind of madonna/whore complex who tells you to “just be natural”, the right thing to do when you understand the situation is not, yes dear, and still do what needs to be done.

The General’s wife really appears depressed, probably long-term depression with the accompanying poor-self care–possibly alcohol use, an exacerbating but socially acceptable drug used by depressives– resulting in premature aging. Probably infected by delusional feminism as well. You don’t become famous and head the CIA working 30 hours weeks. Workaholic husband probably ignored her for decades. You don’t just start fucking other women at 60. He just didn’t get caught before.

I know it’s hard for narcissistic assholes to have compassion for someone who can’t be a source of status to them, but even though she has some responsibility there’s a whole very long story behind this; her story which is not being heard. Because she’s not hot. People sound like the only value is sexual market value.

You’re right that they likely had many problems before this affair, but here’s the thing, Mr. Pointyface: those of us who aren’t hot understand very well that the world is a cruel place. This is so whether we’re classed as less-than because of raw beauty or lack thereof, or social inconvenience. Even if you are beautiful and work hard to maintain yourself, if you’re socially inconvenient, the best your beauty will do for you is make you a more appealing target of the worst people can get away with doing to you.

So we have to compete on a different level than hot chicks, and always have. It’s just how life is. It is exactly because of this, and the fact that SMV isn’t the only V that it is important for a non hot woman to at least be well groomed, and have a good presentation when she is married or attached to a man with some rank.

When women promote unnecessary ugliness just because they’re not 7’s and up, this promotes the idea that SMV is the most important thing, and if you aren’t near ideal, you may as well just give up on looking nice at all.

Being well groomed is one way a not so hot woman rewards her man and shows appreciation for his appreciation of her perhaps less ideal, but still present beauty. When a woman lets herself go, she’s saying that she doesn’t appreciate him, or maybe she has a “grass is greener” mentality about hoes.

It would depress me if I obsessed about being something I’m not, and having what other people have. It would make me not appreciate who I am and what I have. This would not be anybody’s fault but my own. If a woman opts out on preserving her sexuality and crucial aspects of it because she’s depressed, is this any better than the man cheating on her because he’s depressed? Both happen because people don’t appreciate what they have. When that happens, they tend to lose even that.

I don’t know which one let the other down first, but clearly they both let each other down. Also, from a PR standpoint, imagine how much more sympathy she’s have elicited if she at least looked like a kind grandma who’d bake you some cookies, and submissive enough that you could see her rubbing her workaholic husband’s feet when he came home.

The power of beauty is strong indeed, but so is the power of cute. Cute is a type of beauty everybody can have if they just care.

this was a covert intel operation to bring Patreaus down and secondarily, to hurt the Obama administration. Petraeus trestified to Congress last summer that Israel was a threat to US national interests by keeping the mideast destabilized.

Does anyone rationally think Israel would stand by and do nothing when a VERY high level US official attacks them?? The head of the CIA, no less.

Israel considered this a mortal threat.

Then consider the fact that Broadwell has substantive ties to neocons and a neocon organization. The neocons, in addition to being the biggest warmongers in the world, are also Israel’s chief surrogates in US politics.

Broadwell’s father was correct: this whole thing “is about something else – and there’s a lot more that will come out.”

General Ham, Patreaus, and Allen were sacked by O. Barnhardt had a great article on this about how it reminded her of The Night Of the Long Knives where Hitler eliminated his enemies. ”

Also the CEO of Lockheed. It is a purge.
Moral decomposition as they said in Soviet Union is as good a reason as any. Except Stalin everyone else avoided political crimes. Corruption/moral decomposition are much better and easy to control .
If you start purging your opponents for political crimes it might get out of control.

Of course they had affairs. Of course they might be accused of improper use of state property. But almost all high status males can be accused of these. Purged are only the ones who loose a political fight.

By the way Petreus married his wife out of pure love. For his carrier.
Her father was a 4 star general, the Superintendent of West Point, US representative in the NATO military comission etc.
That is why she had no reason to push herself to please the guy. She practically created him – her father more likely but it’s the same. She owned him and I do not see any attempt by the teflon general to renege on the deal.

Pretty interesting to see how extensive the purge will be. If you are not involved they are fascinating to follow.

I’ve often said that everyone who reaches a position in politics higher than local dog-catcher has something that can be held over their head… and when they get out of line for any reason, that’s when it gets sprung.

The puppet masters cannot allow too many persons, if any at all, to climb too high if they can’t be governed.

“Her father was a 4 star general, the Superintendent of West Point, US representative in the NATO military comission etc.
That is why she had no reason to push herself to please the guy. She practically created him – her father more likely but it’s the same. She owned him and I do not see any attempt by the teflon general to renege on the deal.”

For sure this had something to do with their sexual dynamics. When a couple weds in their very early 20s, and the husband only made it after he married the wife, she feels like his partner in success. She feels like she made him, and possibly that she owns him and he owes her. That can cause some of her sexual attraction to him to subside as time goes on, and she doesn’t feel the strong sexual urge to try harder to be attractive for him when she feels he wouldn’t have been anyone without her. The relationship feels more like mother/son at times.

On the other hand, when a woman marries a self-made man, or at least a man who is already on the right track to success, she feels more attracted to him throughout their married-life. His abilities, which he had a chance to develop way before he met her, are the aphrodisiacs of attraction.

That’s why it’s probably prudent for a man to marry in his 30s, after he reached some degree of success and also after he had a chance to sew his wild oats.

But you neglected one thing: it looks like Petraeus and his wife have no kids. Broadwell has two.

Say what you want about her manjaw, but her fertility marks her as way more feminine than Petraeus’ childless wife. If she didn’t have kids, there really no excuse for her to have let herself go like that. Here is a link to a pic of when she was younger: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/holly-knowlton

Yes, just to get some facts straight, becuase this excellent post deserves it, an excerpt from Petraeus’s Wikipedia entry:

Two months after graduation Petraeus married Hollister “Holly” Knowlton (born c. 1953),[25] a daughter of Army General William A. Knowlton, who was superintendent of West Point at the time.[26] Holly, who is multi-lingual, was a National Merit Scholar in high school, and graduated summa cum laude from Dickinson College. They have a daughter and son, Anne and Stephen. Petraeus administered the oath of office at his son’s 2009 commissioning into the Army after his son’s graduation from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[27][28] His son went on to serve in Afghanistan as a member of Alpha Company, 3rd Platoon, 1st Battalion, 503rd Infantry Regiment, 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team.[29]

Petraeus’ official domicile in the United States is a rustic property in the small community of Springfield, New Hampshire, which his wife inherited from her family.[30] Registered to vote in that state as a Republican, Petraeus once told a friend that he was a Rockefeller Republican.[31]

1. Fake kidnapping the ambassador on a date that was no coincidence
2. Planned “rescue” (with 11year to the day reminder of terror attack that put Americans solidly behind Bush) that have made 0 a hero would have sealed the win.
3. Hillary gets wind of the operation and sabotages the whole thing so she’ll be politically relevant as a foil to Romney for 4 years president campaign instead of a retired foreign minister and former senator with very little spotlight on her.
4. Hillary doesn’t count on 0 having in addition to locked-in people of colour vote, the stay-at-homes made up for from the dead Chicagoans and illegal aliens and just enough affirmative action cred among Stockholm Syndrome affected white single women and Eastern seaboard SWPLs to squeak out a win, even with the smell of scandal of the whole thing (thanks in no small measure to the media running interference).

What else explains the events that happened on the day (including joke security and no rescue attempt), the cobbled together narrative complete with lame excuse about the Islamophobic movie and ready made excuse for Petraeus to resign (after the election, of course) in the aftermath and thus somehow be absolved to testify before Congress?

@heartiste
” the fact that she obviously felt it reasonable to so fully let herself go is evidence that she cared not a whit for her husband’s animal desires, ”

What could she have done? The pictures we see don´t convey whether she is fat or not. However, her face has totally sagged. Not unusual, comes with age, both men and women, some get it much earlier than others. Of course it matters much less in men. What could she do? Military men, even generals, don´t make that much money (except if they get famous and write books or give speeches or something – after retirement). They do get great benefits, but I doubt it covers face lifts. Comments?

Maybe folks need to be specific about what they mean when they say “let herself go”.

Everybody expects old people to look old, but there is plenty a person can do to make old look not so bad. Walking is free, and one can make a suitable conditioner for the hair with eggs and olive oil. It is really not expensive to keep one’s self looking well so long as health-wise, one is actually well.

The woman is not ugly for a woman her age. She just looks like she doesn’t care about her hair, skin, or much about her appearance at all, and has not for some time. It is her prerogative not to care about beauty, but nobody is obligated to reward her for not caring for herself.

Most people are not supermodels, and even here most guys don’t really judge women too harshly for being imperfect or something. It’s just that even compensating with compassion, some things are visual cues of lacking femininity.

There’s a dance club (meaning organization) in my area that is with over 1,000 members the largest or one of the largest in the SW. Approximately 60-some percent of the members are women and the overwhelming majority of members are of baby-boomer age, about 50-70.
Not exactly a place to meet hotties of either sex, but they have the cheapest dance lessons in town.
There are maybe a handful of women in that club who I’d hit on IF they were about 15-20 years younger, making them 30-something instead of 50-something.
They’re fit, some of them have bodies a teenager could be proud of, they’re still attractive (at least with make-up on) and pretty flexible and quick on their feet for ‘mature’ ladies. So if you can overlook a few crow’s feet and gnarly hands, they’re still 7’s or even 8s.
That’s maybe 6-10 out of 600+…………..

Indeed, some women can still look hot as they age, if they take care of themselves. But the gray is a big giveaway to a woman’s age. Basically, Mrs. P could have taken the least drastic measures and colored her gray.

However, she could be one of these women who wrongly thinks that you must succumb to aging and not fight it, or you’re a fraud. Lots of feminists think like this.

Anyway, You never know though, one of them (in your dance club) could have someone to introduce you to. Sometimes, you can meet in the most wired places lol.

Personally, I don’t find women who fight aging too hard very aesthetically pleasing. I don’t know what men are seeing when they look at an old lady who is trying to play the looks game the same way she did when she was 20, but I don’t think, “Yeah, that’s someone I’d like to get with.” Most guys I know who like older women also don’t like the spandex and rhinestones with her eyebrows a little too high on her forehead cougar type.

Over 45 or so, the right look is more regal. One should have made their transition from princess to queen by then. Some women can pull off burlesque madame, old rocker, ghetto fabulous, rockabilly, etc. but whichever style should be regal.

She could keep the gray, but have it in a precise updo, get some glasses that actually fit her face shape, and wear well tailored suits. Older female public figures and ranking men’s wives do this all the time. It costs the same, and sometimes less than to buy off the rack. My grandmother managed this, and she was an LPN.

Clothing is a costume. You dress the part you want to play. An older woman doesn’t have to play as if she’s unconscious of her age to look good for her age.

@ Nicole – Please, get a grip. Both Greta Van Sustern and Mrs. Gingrich are her age and look good. Neither one of them wears “spandex and rhinestones with her eyebrows a little too high on her forehead.”

Their secret is they are thin, cover their gray, and had some facial work done. The difference is they both have incentives and reasons to look better than their age. Van Sustern is a TV personality and needs to look appealing for her audience, and Mrs. Gingrich is the wife of a prominent public figure who is always in the public eye. These two ladies don’t want to be caught on the wrong side of public opinion.

As the wife of an active General in the service of his country and the CIA chief, she should have thought that her husband’s position requires her to look good, and looking good doesn’t mean one looks like a clown, as you have presented it in your comment. Like with everything else in life, overdoing it isn’t wise and moderation is prudent.

Lily, my grip is fine. I understand people think that being skinny is the cure for everything, but the data says it isn’t, when it comes to aging. Having a bit of extra padding is a good thing over 40 when it is incidental to getting one’s nutritional needs fully met and adjusting one’s exercise regime to account for slower regeneration.

Looking good isn’t always about looking young, especially when one reaches a grandmotherly age. There’s a thin line between sprucing up and rhinestones, and this is individual. I don’t think a woman over a certain age should trade dignified for desperate.

YES, this can work, especially to improve the looks of a public
figure qua public figure, somewhat less so to be sexually appealing
to men, including a husband.

Think Margaret Thatcher, or Maggie (Magdalena) Smith in somewhat recent movies such as the “Harry Potter” octology. MS was ANCIENT when
she did HP, and still looked, after a fashion, great and indeed regal.

Being fat makes you look older until you’re about 35-40, but after that you need a bit extra to have enough estrogen in your blood and collagen in your skin. One should not let it get out of control because of possible damage to the joints, but a bit of chub isn’t a bad thing in aging.

If however, an older woman is dieting according to the conventional “wisdom” rather than watching their carbs and eating naturally, it will age them prematurely. So will smoking and not knowing how to handle stress effectively.

Especially when you get older, sugar is like sand in your blood. Too much of it will damage the delicate blood vessels in your skin.

If you watch this Jon Stewart interview, Paula’s husband is in the audience when Stewart endearingly pokes fun at her for having the ‘integrity’ to dispel rumors that Petraeus might run for president.

Watch it again, watch her posture, her expressions, listen to the words she uses, even her inflections. Here is a woman who at the time is banging Petraeus, her cuckold husband and the audience are applauding her for her integrity, and she smiles and mugs for the camera, does a cutesy push up contest and all the while, on some level of consciousness, she knows the only reason for her celebrity is because she’s currently fucking a 4 star general.

Also, notice her body language when her husband comes up to her at the end of the clip.

If you ever wanted a better illustration of hypergamy in action you wont find it. In light of her affair and everything that’s come to Petraeus’ resignation it’s just incredible to watch her composure when you know what she knows in her own head. She is a shining example of how deftly an attractive woman can keep her secrets.

You want to know why the cardinal rule of Game is ‘never believe what a woman says, only believe what she does’? Bookmark this video and it will be graphically obvious to you anytime you think differently.

Only a woman can cognitively distance herself from reality in so perfected a fashion that she can go on a national stage, with her husband in the audience, and accept a joking compliment about her integrity while concurrently in an adulterous affair.

Bravo, Mrs. Broadwell. Bravo! You are a credit to your gender’s fluid and flawless duplicity.

“The generals’ letters to the court — written in the past two months — supported a motion to overturn a ruling made nearly a year earlier by a judge who resoundingly denied custody to Khawam, because of serious reservations about her honesty and mental stability, court records show.”

“The father, Grayson Wolfe, was unable to see the child for more than a year, according to court documents. The judge overseeing the case cited Khawam with “outrageous conduct,” “bad faith litigation tactics,” and “illogical thinking,” awarding full custody to the father and socking the mom with $350,000 in legal fees in 2011.

The judge gave Wolfe sole custody of the couple’s son after finding that Khawam, a lawyer, repeatedly lied under oath and filed bogus domestic-violence and child-abuse claims against her husband after their one-year marriage began crumbling in 2009.

That judge also found that Khawam routinely defied court orders to let the child see his dad and sent harassing e-mails to Wolfe’s friends and business partners that “excoriated Mr. Wolfe for being a horrible father and husband.”

The judge blasted Khawam for giving false evidence, and noted that a court-ordered shrink had found her domestic-violence allegations to be “part of an ever-expanding set of sensational accusations . . . that are so numerous, so extraordinary and [so] distorted that they defy any common-sense view of reality.”

The judge also noted that she “is a psychologically unstable person.”

Beware the Beta in a position of authority, he is a tool of the femocracy. Actively colluding with the fem-centric legal system to separate a father from his children. How do you like your Petraeus now Matt?

Nonetheless, I found Petraeus’s actions to be irresponsible and irrational. If you are a powerful man in the D.C area and need a little action on the side apart from your frumpy wife, there are many avenues that you could take. He should have gone to an elite escort service, with 8’s and 9’s, who sign extensive confidentiality agreements and come with professional level discretion. Shitting/Fucking where you eat is a terrible idea in many cases, especially his. I recommend this strategy to all powerful and successful men who love their wives but want a dash of variety on the side.

Using escort services is a bad idea; they keep black books with the payahs’ names and numbers, and sometimes disclose those names as leverage when they get busted.

Better to call independent girls direct from websites like backpage.com Use throw-away phones, and have the girls over to your place, unless your home is too conspicuous, in which case you should consider renting an apartment, or getting a hotel room. If even those scenarios are too much risk, save it for overseas trips. Prostitution is legal or unenforced virtually anywhere in the world but the United States – hop a Spirit flight to Latin America – there’s a reason they charge for both checked bags and carryon luggage – a fair number of the guys on their flights don’t need much more than a box of condoms.

South Park had a great episode after Tiger Woods’ affair came out. Brilliant lampoon of the media’s willful ignorance of human nature. Obama commissions a special committee to figure out “Why powerful men are sleeping with young beautiful women who are not their wives.” All the men pretend they don’t understand when they actually do. It’s the “Emperor With No Clothes.” Goddamn brilliant.

OT: Anyone see Skyfall? Bond goes White Knight in it. First he tries to save a beautiful mob whore from the baddie. Then he goes all out to save his female boss who he knows would throw him under a bus in a second.

Sigh. I miss the days when Connery’s Bond would pat a girl on the ass and say “Run along now. Man talk time.” I suspect a lot of women miss it too.

She got old… It is what all women do, which causes their men to start looking for something that makes them sit up and take notice… Many men will avoid situations where they know they are vulnerable if married, but when the woman is asking for it – there isn’t much a guy can do… It is hardwired into us…

Will history record the Baby Boomers, the Silent Generation, or the Greatest Generation as the one to have brought down America?

Without a doubt it’s the Baby Boomers. Silent Generation, like the Greatest Gen, were never as self-absorbed as the Boomers. I have a special lamp post picked out for any Boomer I wish to hang when the time comes.

I wouldn’t be surprised. I know many happy couples. Some are old and still monogamous and romantic, while others have open marriages or polyamorous unions. A couple of people who can handle the realities of life usually stays together for life. It’s when people are unrealistic that what would be minor difficulties or challenges become unlivable situations.

I remeber the first time I saw his wife; couldn’t help but feel sorry for him and simultaneously lose respect. I mean, what’s the point of having so much power and influence if that battle axe is what you come home to. It really made me appreciate my life.

To be fair she might be a really sweet, smart, caring woman, adoring wife and good mother. Just because he cheated on her does not mean he doesn’t love and appreciate her anymore, perhaps he’s just not sexually attracted to her now but still cherishes her personality and all they’ve been through in life together.

Just because she let herself physically go does not mean she’s a bad person.

Personality is great, and some men’s sex drive is strong enough that it is a turn on for them, but marriage is a social contract. When your husband’s public image matters, so does yours.

I mentioned in a comment some time back, that I myself often attract men with some status, unfortunately sometimes in the criminal or gray area. If a guy is flirting hard with me, there’s a high chance that he is some flavor of boss, and smells the bottom-bitch in me. So I know the profile.

Bottom-bitch is seldom the hottest, but she is supposed to look, well, proud and appreciative of her man. Through thick and thin, the longer she is kept, the more proud and appreciative she is supposed to be, and look accordingly. Some signs of stress are fairly normal, but grooming is suppose to be good. I believe the kids are calling this look “tight” these days.

Women who are married or attached to garbage men manage this. How is it that it escaped a general’s wife?

She may not be a bad person, but if she was expecting monogamy from a high ranking man, she was unrealistic. If she was demanding it while not showing sufficient appreciation, or while depriving him of sex, she was cruel and unrealistic.

The only excuse she would have is if he ordered her not to do certain things to maintain herself. Sometimes men do that as a way of mate guarding. They sabotage a woman’s sex appeal so she is less likely to stray.

However, were I in the same position, the day it came out that my husband was cheating, if I had to bite the bullet and pretend that I was a monogamist, first stop would be the salon to get “did”. It would be clear that, in the world of women, I was the primary partner, and out-class all his other bitches. If I could get away with it without angering my man, every step I made in public, this would be clear. If he didn’t want me altering my hair because he likes his safe granny looking woman at home, I’d wear a wig. If he didn’t want me messing with my nails, I’d wear the custom press-ons. If he liked me in sensible shoes at home, I’d have them by the door, but have some stockings and heels for going out.

This is what those of us who were raised to be leaders or the wives of leaders do. I don’t think there were holes in her education that weren’t in mine. Letting yourself go when you are with a man of some rank or even just highly social and well regarded, is an act of rebellion against him. Even if someone is not conscious of what they’re doing, this is probably what’s going on unconsciously.

As independent as I may be, and probably especially because of this, this is a game I understand very well, and did before I ever heard of game as in pickup artistry. From childhood, it was sit up straight, sit with your legs closed, don’t curse too much, keep your nails filed evenly, smile and shake hands in church because your grandfather is a deacon, when two men are talking, you don’t hear what they are saying, but be around in case they need their drinks refreshed, etc.

This is old school, but you can see how even today, these things come in handy.

I believe she wants to appear to be the martyr. I can respect that as a public relations strategy, but for a 20 year old who got cheated on, not a 60 year old. She should have come out looking regal.

What never ceases to amaze me is how women like General Petraeus’s wife can just let themselves go like that! I’m married to someone who I still think is thin and beautiful. Yes, I still fantasize about my wife even after 5 years of marriage. She eats healthy, she always puts on makeup, does her hair, cares (perhaps too much) about what she wears, and always looks good.

Because of that (and this may make me sound hopelessly Beta), I feel a responsibility to look good too, to eat healthy, to work out regularly, and not let myself go. I would also hope that if at 60 I look as decent as the General, my wife will still do as much as she can to keep herself looking attractive.

And that’s what bugs me so much about this. I AM in the military. I’m an officer, and we have height/weight and physical fitness standards. I can’t tell you how many guys (Army and Marine officers) I’ve seen who are thin, built, in just perfect physical shape. I’m talking about the type of guys who compete in iron man triathlons.

And then you see the wife…Ugly, frumpy, big as a house. And you’re thinking, “how and why did he hook up with her??” And these are women in their late 20’s or early 30’s! I’ll never forget the Marine officer who was one of the visiting instructors at my officer basic course. He was probably the most physically fit of all of the cadre at this facility. His wife walked into the room wearing what looked like a large boat sail draped over her enormous body. She looked like she had just eaten a couple people on the way over.

So I guess the point I’m trying to make is, if a woman is married to Joe the homely overweight retired plumber, then I can understand if she doesn’t feel the need to look good at 55+. But, if that same woman is married to arguably one of the most powerful men in the country, you’d think she’d feel some responsibility to look and act the part.

And then you see the wife…Ugly, frumpy, big as a house. And you’re thinking, “how and why did he hook up with her??” And these are women in their late 20′s or early 30′s! I’ll never forget the Marine officer who was one of the visiting instructors at my officer basic course. He was probably the most physically fit of all of the cadre at this facility. His wife walked into the room wearing what looked like a large boat sail draped over her enormous body. She looked like she had just eaten a couple people on the way over.

Two factors:

1) Tough he-men can still be, and often are, beta around women, even if they are alpha around other men;

2) If a fug wants to be a 9, she should move near an army base, with its vast supply of betas for the taking and very few competitors! Don’t think there aren’t warpigs who haven’t caught on to this.

“And then you see the wife…Ugly, frumpy, big as a house. And you’re thinking, “how and why did he hook up with her??” And these are women in their late 20′s or early 30′s! I’ll never forget the Marine officer who was one of the visiting instructors at my officer basic course. He was probably the most physically fit of all of the cadre at this facility. His wife walked into the room wearing what looked like a large boat sail draped over her enormous body. She looked like she had just eaten a couple people on the way over.”

— Most of our military is comprised of low socio-economic class so that’s why. They are taking the women from their own class.

The commissary cow phenomenon? I’m a female in the military, and I’ve never understood it myself. I mean, we don’t really have the option of porking up. It has an element of that “I’m married and I can let myself go now” attitude to it. So, laziness. I think that gets amplified by the fact that the competition for their man’s attention isn’t as fierce at work as it would be in the civilian world, more conservative/religious attitudes towards marriage, and the simple fact that my gender inherently knows that no man is going to divorce a woman who can put up with all the shit the military is going to throw at the relationship.

Not only are the men in shape but a lot are good looking. Good hygiene, healthy, and provide for their family. I have a lot of military friends, and every single wife is overweight or obese. The thinnest are often overweight. Think the women are stressed from the husbands being gone a lot, and end up overeating or a form of rebellion? Don’t know but think its awful to go to a welcome home gathering and see women greeting their men in jogging pants, t-shirts and completely out of shape.

In addition, maybe having a fat wife may be a strategy to keep her from getting hit on while you are overseas? Also, Many soldiers may knock their wives up before they leave incase they get killed and somebody like “Ya Really” shows up and she buys him a Harley and cocaine with his death benefit. That guy said he once shit on a woman; he might do anything.

Another factor is birth control. They like to put military wives on Depo Provera, which makes menstruation stop, screws up the hormones, and often kills sex drive or at least makes orgasms more difficult and muted when they do happen. It is just evil.

Now, I’m told they at least check your TSH and T4 before giving it. When I was an army wife, they did not. So I became hypothyroid for some years because of it, and breastfeeding while on it nearly cause my daughter to develop PCOS. If we hadn’t adopted a natural diet, she would look like a werewolf, and I’d have crossed the threshold from warpig to landwhale.

His wife doesn’t even look all that fat in this picture, though she certainly doesn’t look good. Were she fit and dressed and made up in a more feminine manner, she still wouldn’t be hot. Broadwell, by comparison, must have looked like hotness squared. Plus she has that aggressive thing where you can just tell she’d be the first one to mention sex — probably less than an hour into your first date, if she likes you — and she’d let you do anything you want in bed.

So he’s got this young hottie (from his perspective) around; not just in the office, but writing his biography, which had to mean lots of after-hours time spent together, while she listened to his old war stories and helped him present himself as impressively as possible. Imagine that: he’s telling her the kind of stories that a guy would tell a woman he’s trying to impress in a bar, day after day, plus she’s helping him make the stories effective! Odds are she shared some stories of her own, too, that gave him a sense of her adventurousness and her disenchantment with beta hubby, plus the vibe of “I’ll totally let you put it in my butt” that she gives off.

I’m not saying he was right to cheat, but how many guys wouldn’t in that situation? If you think Broadwell isn’t attractive enough, put it in your own perspective: if you’re a typical 30-year-old office drone, this would be like the hottest 18-year-old homecoming queen you remember from high school applying to be your intern and working late nights with you. How long would you resist the temptation to hit on her? A day? A week, maybe, if you were really strong?

Agree ++++! except for the conspiracy point. That’s a fail. Remember one of the first to get wind of this back in October was Eric Cantor, who was tipped off by an FBI white-knighter with a hard-on for one of the Khawam! girls. (Or Kelley Girl, if you like). Cantor then went to the FBI himself, as was right and proper. But for the plot to work don’t you have to posit that Eric Cantor – Mr. rock-ribbed-R – kept quiet because he was in the tank for B. Barry Bamz? Sorry, non computare.

This all goes to show you how pointless careerism is. Even if you succeed, get all the way to the top (e.g. becoming the GENERAL), spending all those long years moving up the ladder, the best you get is THAT chick?? And even then eventually she dumps your ass? It would have been better for him to work 2-3 months out of the year, just enough to support himself, laying low and playing the latest PS3 releases with occasional fishing trips with his friends. You could get some casual sex or a prostitute every once in a while if you needed it.

And the majority of people won’t even get to the top. They’ll just be sitting in their dreary hermetically sealed fluorescent lit office buildings, too numb even to lament their lost youth.

Lesbian brings muslim barbershop before human rights commission for refusing to cut her hair for religious reasons. Refuses to drop her complaint despite the shop offering to provide a non-muslim to do the haircut:

What I hate the most are those morons commenting how “But this is Canada, a secular country full of freedom, where we’re morally obligated to force all businesses to service and hire everyone with no regard for the business owner!” I hope the bitch loses, but I feel there is a chance she’ll win.

I think that this is the first time on this blog that this important fact is mentioned: women hate,hate ,hate, the sight of an older man with a younger woman on his arm. So the best revenge is to get hold of a young woman. In fact, youth in this case is more important than looks.
Several of Henry VIII’s wives couldn’t keep their cunts in check and committed adultery – even though the consequence was beheading. That’s how strong the urge is to fuck alpha males.

Henry VIII was one of those betas who became a leader of men due to his family background. Anne Boleyn led him around by his dick and blue-balled him, refusing to sleep with him unless he married her, even though she was a 7 at best and was called a “mare” due to her whoring it up at the French court. Catherine Howard — the one who cheated on him — obviously was not attracted to him, making him a cuckold.

This beta sadsack, remember, is the foundation of the Church of England.

“How in tarnation is Petraeus’s potato sack poster wife for Puritan living supposed to compete with this fuel-injected sex machine? There isn’t a man alive who would pass up a chance at tapping that harlot if his only alternative was Miss Massachusetts 1687. You may as well dangle a chunk of raw meat in front of a starving lion’s maw and expect it to sit still for twenty years.”

LOL! Precisely, especially since she is the one who was the aggressor in this. Did you hear that? She made the first move on him, not the other way around. The woman is something else. A sex machine is not too far off from the truth.

She saw him at Harvard when he was giving a speech there a few years back, and she convinced him that she is a writer when in fact she wrote nothing about anything. Through him, she managed to get military clearance and became a reservist. How did she pull that, God only knows. Regardless, it was a ploy to get into his life. At first, she told him she is going to write a book on the military, and then when they were involved already she changed it to an biography about him.

The whole thing was either a ploy to get into his life because she fancied him sexually, or it was a ploy to make money. Meaning she wanted to use him to write a book and create a scandal to sell that book. Who knows? We have to wait and see when more details emerge.

Call her what you want, but she is awe inspiring to say the least. Her tactics are better than any planned military action.

“She did nothing “wrong”, in the Biblical or PC sense, but the fact that she obviously felt it reasonable to so fully let herself go is evidence that she cared not a whit for her husband’s animal desires, and was probably up to her ears in feminist ideology about the uselessness and evil of appealing to the visceral demands of men for physically attractive, slender lovers. “

Well, I beg to differ with you here. She did do wrong. Not keeping yourself beautiful for your husband is doing wrong, including in the Biblical sense. Obviously, she doesn’t care for him enough to try hard for him. Honestly, I have yet to hear of a man who isn’t appreciative of his wife’s efforts to remain slim and hot for him. I think it shows love on the woman’s part, and couple that with her pleasing feminine behavior and most men can’t resist loving their long-term wife who has always been so full of love and loyalty, as well as if she’s well-kept physically too. A feminist wife thinks she is entitled to unconditional love, no matter her devious nasty actions, or her horrid looks. This story reminds me of Elizabeth Edwards who died of cancer.

When John Edwards cheated on her with Rielle Hunter, Elizabeth Edwards had cancer and probably ceased having sexual relations with him. So he hooked up with Rielle Hunter, who was around a 7. Their romance started in the same manner in which the Patraeus/Boradwell one started. Edwards, much like Patraeus, was also stuck with an unfuckable wife and much like Boradwell, Rielle also made the first move on him the moment she saw him. Rielle was willing able and ready, so they hooked up. The feminists and his wife trashed him to oblivion. His feminist witchy bitchy liberal wife (I say it even though she had cancer, as that doesn’t change who she always was) became so resentful and hateful of him for having some fun with Rielle Hunter, but honestly she had no rights to complain. If she truly loved him, she should have been happy he was getting what he needed physically since she couldn’t give it to him anymore. Any woman that denies her husband his needs when she is no longer able to provided it to him is a major selfish witch. It’s not like he wasn’t still taking care of her. He was. He was still providing emotional and financial support to her, what did she care of he was seeing a woman on the side. Just because she is sick and might die, doesn’t mean he needs to be sick with her. It’s obvious they didn’t have a love fair to die for, or a soul mate connection, which is very rare. Had they had it, he would have been stuck to her like crazy glue even if she were sick. Women need to understand that, and not be so resentful. They need to put their whole relationship into the right context.

Finally, It’s fear of his wife finding out that cost him his political career (not that I ever approved of his liberal demagogues policies and I am happy his political career ended) as well as almost landed him in jail.

I can tell you, from 20+ years of observations, that many, many, MANY rich and powerful men (including BILLIONAIRES) are betas (or worse) inside. I have known a billionaire’s wife to blow my carpenter because he was more dominant (and had coke, granted), and seen other billionaire’s wives do their fitness instructors or and their shrinks. Some even paid for their boytoys to leave town and had their friends complicit in their deceptions. (These are names you would recognize). The comment (on another post) about rich men often not having game because they can’t be bothered to learn it, and find it unnecessary because they use money to attract women, and think that money will keep a woman faithful, is so true it should be chiseled in granite.

One unreported element to the Petraeus matter is the growing influence/power of feminist sensibilities and ways of thinking on U.S. policy and the policymaking environment. With both high and working levels of government choked with feminist scolds and their beta male dittoheads, Petraeus probably considered the likely hostile work environment in response to this news and decided no, thanks. In many agencies (even non-military), the hostility to male sexuality has reached the point where having after hours out-of-bounds sex can now result in disciplinary action, including dismissal. Under Hilary Clinton’s State Department, new personnel rules issued in April designate “promiscuous sexual relations” as “notoriously disgraceful behavior”, along with child abuse and corruption. The new rules on sex don’t require evidence of potential for blackmail, threats or coercion for the employee to be punished. Sex that is not consistent with the feminists’ agenda alone can get you dismissed. Several State Department employees are currently facing disciplinary action for extra-marital affairs. http://wemeantwell.com/blog/tag/nudge-nudge

Notoriously disgraceful conduct is that conduct which, were it to become widely known, would embarrass, discredit, or subject to opprobrium the perpetrator, the Foreign Service, and the United States. Examples of such conduct include but are not limited to the frequenting of prostitutes, engaging in public or promiscuous sexual relations, spousal abuse, neglect or abuse of children, manufacturing or distributing pornography, entering into debts the employee could not pay, or making use of one’s position or immunity to profit or to provide favor to another (see also 5 CFR 2635) or to create the impression of gaining or giving improper favor. Disqualification of a candidate or discipline of an employee, including separation for cause, is warranted when the potential for opprobrium or contempt should the conduct become public knowledge could be reasonably expected to affect adversely the person’s ability to perform his or her own job or the agency’s ability to carry out its responsibilities. Evaluators must be careful to avoid letting personal disapproval of such conduct influence their decisions.

Let’s make this scientific. Wife = W, Mistress = M, and the mistresses’s desirability = W for whore. Take the difference between the wife and mistress (7-1) and add that to the mistress’ number to get her score:

(m-w)+m=w or (7-1)+7=13.

Female Chateau readers can use this formula to determine the likely hood of male infidelity. If you flip Paula as the wife and the pilgrim for the mistress, Petreus’ wife’s score is:

(1-7)+1= -5.

Therefore Petreus is +3 more likely to cheat on the wife. The wife’s score of -5 makes her so repellant he can achieve escape velocity into space without using a rocket.

w = Attractiveness of wife (or, if you will, current girlfriend); a 1-10 scale works fine but any scale can be used, such as that in CH’s Dating Market Value Test for Women

m = Attractiveness of mistress (or, if you will, potential next girlfriend)

c = Commitment level to wife. If c = 0, that means a 50% chance of cheating, if wife and mistress are of equal attractiveness. The commitment level works on the same scale you are using for attractiveness; so, c = 2 turns your 6 wife into an 8. Commitment can, of course, be negative, if the woman is BPD or whatever and the man really wants out!

Sorry, that’s “When using a 1-10 scale, use n = 1, i.e., it can be ignored.”

Example: Holly Petraeus = 2, Paula Broadwell = 7, commitment = 3 (they’ve been married for 30 yrs, so that seems about right.) Petraeus had an 88% chance of cheating.

If Petraeus had been married to Paula, with commitment = 2, if presented with dumpy Holly, the chance of cheating on Paula with Holly (yikes!) would have been 0.09%. (Hey, it could theoretically happen.)

Even though my equation is a little crude, it helps to show the relative disparity in desirability between two people and how that disparity leads to a greater probability of infidelity. Take a more common scenario in which you are deciding between cheating on your girlfriend with her best friend. Women tend to be friends with other women who score one point or two apart. You are likely to see pairings or groups of 5,6,7, or a 6 and 7 at the bar as opposed to a 5 and a 10 (unless they are childhood friends.). So if your girlfriend is a 6 and her friend a 7:

(6-7)+6=5

(7-6)+7=8

So if your are dating the 6, your girlfriend will feel like a 5 compared to her friend. but if she is a 7 and her friend a 6, then your girlfriend will feel hotter to you, thus lessening your desire to cheat.

@NiteLily – Couldn’t reply further up.
I’m 5’10, never thought of myself as ‘short’, but have over the past few years come to the conclusion that today’s American women seem to consider anyone under 6’2 an unworthy dwarf. Especially women over 25 or so. I’m athletic in the way swimmers, skaters or cyclists are athletic. 6-pack abs: check. Looks? Hard to judge yourself, at least if you’re a guy. In real life, I’ve most recently been compared to Kevin Spacey, David Lee Roth and Hugh Jackman.On the old HotOrNot site – the one primarily peopled by high school and college kids showing off their boobs and abs – I got ratings of 6.5 fully dressed and 9.2 shirtless.
Age is a problem, very, very few attractive females under 55 are interested in any men over 30, unless they’re millionaires and/or drug dealers.
I go out on average 3 times a week – more often is neither doable time-wise nor worth it in my area – and ‘game’ isn’t a problem. I’ve even shed whatever remnants of ‘Nice Guy’ were left and can aloof asshole right along with the best of ’em.
Being White isn’t helping, at least not with the Hispanic ladies, who make up a cool 50% in this state.
I’m guessing the biggest difference between NotReally the Keyboard Jock and myself is that he’s one of those guys who goes out to get laid.
By anything vaguely female. Possibly the odd tranny, provided he’s tucked, taped and gorge.
Then, he pops online and writes Penthouse letters about his conquest.
I meet some of those PUAs out on the prowl, that’s pretty much what they do.
I go for the 7+’s, the ones even the fire fighters and pilots are scared to approach.
The ones who swat the PUAs aside like annoying flies.
In have standards, sue me.

You realize that Kevin Spacey, David Lee Roth and Hugh Jackman, all have different looks, so you can’t possibly resemble all 3 of them, right?

Anyway, from what you say about yourself you sound like you shouldn’t have any problems with women and if you’re not meeting enough of them with potential, maybe your area is the culprit. Maybe you need to move to a city that has more single people residing in it. If that’s financially possible for you I don’t know, but it’s a thought. Maybe you need to move and change your luck. Think about it.

Regarding NotReally, let it be his new nickname; I love it. It’s obvious all he wants is to get laid, so a woman with some standards wouldn’t look twice at him. I mean what woman of quality would let him shit all over her? If that’s even true what he said, who knows. But even if it isn’t, the sheer notion of him thinking about such activity tells us what kind of ”man” he is.

It’s clear that he’s lashing at us because we challenge him. He is a “newly minted” PUA, so anyone who shows some resistance to his way of thought is a threat he feels needs to be squashed. Otherwise, I don’t know why he would be so pissed each time he reads a comment he disagrees with? One can disagree without stooping to such levels of animosity.

Well, anyway, I’ve many guys angry with me – the Nazi/racist/radicals and the PUA losers – I wonder which faction is next? I am ready, who’s next? 🙂

Location is definitely an issue. The majority of women here fall into 1 of 4 categories, more or less. Hispanic – Most of them want Hispanic guys, some of them like Black guys. Pretty much the only ones who’ll give White guys the time of day are the overweight Single Moms(TM) with lots of credit card debt and 1 or more kids in rehab.
‘Country Girls'(TM) looking for ‘cowboys’. What they mean by ‘cowboy’ is a guy who dresses like a rodeo queen, drives a $ 40,000 dualie, sounds like Toby Keith over the smartphone, pretends to ‘walk with Jesus’ and ropes suckahs into buying former meth labs (=real estate crook).
Southwest Groupies – Women who have moved here from elsewhere (East coast, west coast, midwest,other countries) because ‘the desert is so spiritual, man’. They’re either on the hunt for the Native American cowboy crystal healer shaman flutist spirit guide or the ‘passionate’ Spanish gaucho/matador – who, in reality, is really just a small time crack dealer.
And then there are the Lesbians. Tons of ’em, this area is pretty much tied with Portland, OR for second place in the percentage of same-sex households.
Moving is definitely planned, but not possible at this time due to commitments.

NotReally appears to be in England, which means he’s playing in easy mode. He’s also probably a lot younger than I am, which helps tremendously. 30/32 seems to be the magic cutoff age, regardless of what the delusional old folks on this and all other forums try to tell themselves.
Whenever you get these knee-jerk, baseless personal attacks as responses, you know you’ve hit a nerve dead-on and they have no real comeback.

I was under the impression that Hispanic girls do like white men. I guess it’s not the case.

The rest of the women you described residing in your area are not worth anything. So definitely look to move.

“30/32 seems to be the magic cutoff age, regardless of what the delusional old folks on this and all other forums try to tell themselves.”

Well obviously; it looks funny if you’re hanging in nightclubs with all the 20-something girls and you’re in your 40s. Most won’t give you the time of day, no matter how hard you try to game them. I am not saying you can’t hook up with a girl in her 20’s, just that it doesn’t work so well in nightclubs with all her friends hanging around and she has appearances to keep, UNLESS she is a complete ho. It’s better to meet girls in quieter more private surroundings, like at work, the gym, Brans & Noble, or Starbucks. But again, if most of the women in your area are of the kind you mentioned, you’d still have a hard time.

“Whenever you get these knee-jerk, baseless personal attacks as responses, you know you’ve hit a nerve dead-on and they have no real comeback.”

Dirk – If that’s the case in your area – good for you.
Here, Latinas are famous for being into Latino guys – the taller,younger,hotter & richer the better, of course – and sometimes Black guys. The end.

Lily – With the exception of becoming a full-time university student (which I do not have time for), I’ve tried just about everything under the sun, and I always come back to night clubs as pretty much the only option for meeting attractive, potentially available women of dateable age (= 18-45). In any other environment, they’re all taken (and rather serious about it), or you only find maybe 1 every 6 months, which is so far below pathetic, I am at a loss for words.
Interestingly, I tend to get better reactions from the younger ones (<25 or so), I think they sense a kindred spiri, maybe it's the skateboarding. Beyond that, their attitudes and egos are so massively hyper-inflated and completely beyond even the stratosphere, it boggles even my mind, which is kinda hard to boggle.

CH- Any time you want to blast the media response…we’d be up for it. Just a sampling:
I think this pattern helps explain why so few women are tempted by the adoration of younger acolytes but often fall for superiors or mentors, while many otherwise happily married men become so intoxicated by admiration that they risk their careers and families for its temporary rush…

…Or that women go for alphas, or that no one would WANT to sleep with Hilary Clinton, the female equivalent a DP, and basically, male and female biology is DIFFERENT….

Maybe Gen. Petraeus prefers to turn the light off, doesn’t want to bump his bones and dislikes the stink of cosmetics — then again, would you dare tell him to his face that you think his wife of 38 years is ugly and he should be ashamed of her?

As an aside, a modern general is not quite Napoleon as described in thousands of novels, but more likely a boring, sober geek. Also we don’t know if Holly’s rather conservative looks are deliberate and professional — given what she does for a career, “the cougar” look would be suboptimal, but “the matron” is more appropriate, as you sort of point out in your ‘next jeremiad’.

“Tossing men and women together in the workplace is a recipe for dissolving marriages, sexually dispossessing beta males, and corraling women under the banner of a few industry captain alpha males. Men and women in a putatively monogamous society are simply not meant to be in each other’s company, away from family, all the day long and night. Is it any wonder, really, that female infidelity rates are now approaching that of men’s rates? The gender neutral workplace experiment has brought alpha males and fertile females together like no other arrangement yet devised by man. And it happened under everyone’s noses, because no one bothered to note that human nature is real, and it isn’t going anywhere soon.”

I thought you liked it like that? Doesn’t sound like it.

[Heartiste: I like it. But it’s not good for functioning society. Please do try and keep up.]

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