In raw dollars, Obama only (lol) added a touch under the combined debt of the previous three Presidents. He didn't add more than every previous one combined. He added by far the most of any of them, though. Not that Trump in just one term being projected to add almost as much as Obama did in both of his terms is a good sign either.

By percentage, Obama's increase to the debt is substantially less than that of either G.W. Bush or Reagan's.

Interestingly though, Obama is second only to Reagan among the modern POTUSes when ranked by the EPI index, and he's 10th overall (Reagan's 5th). Which doesn't quite reflect people's damning judgements of his economic handling.

SunRazer

Originally posted by Nephthys
Largely accurate. Obama's term was so squeaky clean the republicans had to invent scandals to undermine him. In a way I wish he had been more bold and willing to rock the boat.

Not really that accurate. Obama didn't have any personal scandals but there were plenty that existed during his administration. Like the Veteran Health scandal, and there's the IRS one as well. He himself handled both pretty well and I don't think his administration will go down in history as a corrupt one, but it definitely wasn't pure and it didn't take Republicans' fabrications for him to have some.

Then again, what Obama actually said per the link in the OP was "We didn't have a scandal that embarrassed us", which may or may not be true. Not being American, I'm not sure how much those scandals embarrassed the country outside of people trying to kick up a political shitstorm.

Surtur

Originally posted by Nephthys
Largely accurate. Obama's term was so squeaky clean the republicans had to invent scandals to undermine him. In a way I wish he had been more bold and willing to rock the boat.

LOL!

I guess you could even say there wasn't a...smidgen of corruption, right?

Surtur

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not really that accurate. Obama didn't have any personal scandals but there were plenty that existed during his administration. Like the Veteran Health scandal, and there's the IRS one as well. He himself handled both pretty well and I don't think his administration will go down in history as a corrupt one, but it definitely wasn't pure and it didn't take Republicans' fabrications for him to have some.

Then again, what Obama actually said per the link in the OP was "We didn't have a scandal that embarrassed us", which may or may not be true. Not being American, I'm not sure how much those scandals embarrassed the country outside of people trying to kick up a political shitstorm.

It speaks volumes about the alternate reality Obama and other leftists reside in if they think weaponizing the IRS against their political opponents is not embarrassing. So...it's actually just as bad as if Obama said they had no scandals. Both statements require completely checking out of the current reality we all inhabit.

snowdragon

Originally posted by Blindside12
"We didnt not have any scadals during my administration."
Barack Obama

Obama had his scandals but he had more public appeal and his was more charismatic in his addressing the public. That certainly gave him more leeway when it came to handling said scandals.

As opposed to Trumps angry tweeting followed by a lack of nuance in follow up speeches addressing public concerns.

Bashar Teg

#JadeHelm
#NeverForget

Blindside12

Firefly218

Firefly218

Blindside12

Sorry it was a scandal. Someone smarter then you named it that, Mr. Eco Friendly latte sipping college guy.

Firefly218

snowdragon

It doesn't matter if you think it was a scandal or not the IRS was wrong:

Court Rules Against the IRS

That leads up to the part of it is scandalous.

Blindside12

Surtur

Firefly218

snowdragon

Plausible deniability is a powerful tool when you are the leader of any organization. Obama did several things that were sketchy and leveraged his knowledge of the law to shield himself from harm. There were several things on that OP with scandals that were legitimate concerns pushed aside because of his popularity with public opinion.

The president is able to prioritize enforcement of laws as well as "suspend" enforcement of laws, the IRS was a heightened enforcement or scrutiny.

Robtard

Another fake news thread. Sweet baby J!

Blindside12

So Fly's only argument is it wasn't a scadal, just a failure.

Flyattractor

Could it be said His level of FAILURE was Truly SCANDALOUS?

Firefly218

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Could it be said His level of FAILURE was Truly SCANDALOUS? Yeah. Obama invested in a company that went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Trump actually went bankrupt, 5 times

Flyattractor

That and Obama's actions lead to U.S Citizens being Murdred both in this Country and Abroad.

Funny how that works.

Firefly218

Originally posted by Flyattractor
That and Obama's actions lead to U.S Citizens being Murdred both in this Country and Abroad.

Funny how that works. #Deflection

Flyattractor

Originally posted by Firefly218
#Deflection

#Fascism

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah. Obama invested in a company that went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Trump actually went bankrupt, 5 times

To quote a certain poster.

#Deflection.

Firefly218

Originally posted by Silent Master
To quote a certain poster.

#Deflection. When exactly did I deflect? Sure, retrospectively investing in Solyndra was a mistake.

Flyattractor

Originally posted by Firefly218
When exactly did I deflect? Sure, retrospectively investing in Solyndra was a mistake.

And He used TAXPAYER Money to do it to!

Unlike Trump.

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
When exactly did I deflect? Sure, retrospectively investing in Solyndra was a mistake.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah. Obama invested in a company that went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Trump actually went bankrupt, 5 times

This thread isn't about the orange monkey. AKA Trump

Firefly218

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread isn't about the orange monkey. AKA Trump Ok, so no bringing up Marvel in a thread about DC? No bringing up Paul McCartney in a thread about John Lennon? No bringing up Simon in a thread about Garfunkel?? Get outta here, I can make whatever comparisons I want between anyone.

Flyattractor

Trump also got his companies OUT of Bankruptcy 5 times.

Obama did everything he could to BANKRUPT this Nation. That hasn't been fixed yet.

So SUCK ON THAT FEEFEEFLY!!! You Fascist.

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
Ok, so no bringing up Marvel in a thread about DC? No bringing up Paul McCartney in a thread about John Lennon? No bringing up Simon in a thread about Garfunkel?? Get outta here, I can make whatever comparisons I want between anyone.

You did exactly what Rob and others(including you) complain that Surtur does when people complain about Trump.

Firefly218

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Trump also got his companies OUT of Bankruptcy 5 times.

Obama did everything he could to BANKRUPT this Nation. That hasn't been fixed yet.

So SUCK ON THAT FEEFEEFLY!!! You Fascist. Obama got the entire damn country out of bankruptcy. He revived our economy, bailed out the banks and corporations, lowered the unemployment rate dramatically.

Trump just bought a couple casinos with his daddy's money

Flyattractor

And He did that by QUADRUPLING the National Debt?

Yeah that aint how it WORKS FeeFeeFly.

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
Obama got the entire damn country out of bankruptcy. He revived our economy, bailed out the banks and corporations, lowered the unemployment rate dramatically.

Trump just bought a couple casinos with his daddy's money

So the national debt was 0 when he left office?

Flyattractor

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the national debt was 0 when he left office?

More like He was the 0 that left office!!!!!!!!

Firefly218

Originally posted by Flyattractor
And He did that by QUADRUPLING the National Debt?

Yeah that aint how it WORKS FeeFeeFly. You demonstrate your profound lack of education once again

dadudemon

Flyattractor

Originally posted by Firefly218
You demonstrate your profound lack of education once again

Yeah. I know he only DOUBLED it, but I like the word QUADRUPLING more.

But then Your type of "education" thinks Gender can be determined by The Power of Imagination.

So there is that.

Blindside12

Originally posted by Firefly218
Obama got the entire damn country out of bankruptcy. He revived our economy, bailed out the banks and corporations, lowered the unemployment rate dramatically.

Trump just bought a couple casinos with his daddy's money

He got the US out of bankruptcy? Can you back this up?

Flyattractor

Originally posted by Blindside12
He got the US out of bankruptcy? Can you back this up?

Robtard

Flyattractor

Except for that he really didn't.

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
You demonstrate your profound lack of education once again

Says the guy claiming Obama got the entire country out of bankruptcy.

dadudemon

Firefly218

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sort of. You described a type of scandal. It was clearly much more nuanced than just investing in a business that later failed. It's easier to label that an "Obama administration scandal" than almost all the others. Scandal would imply corruption or acting against the interests of the American people right? Under that definition, investing billions in loans to dozens of green energy ventures and having a few of them fail is not a scandal. Sure, you can say retrospectively that it was a mistake, but I don't see how it's a scandal.

Firefly218

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's still not true that he fixed the deficit, either. That's what Firefly was talking about. That was a false meme going around the nets shortly after Trump took office. I fact checked it because it sounded like bullshit. I'll post another thread about this right now. Oh yeah for sure, Obama did not fix the deficit or the debt. Both those things are incredibly complex functions.

And having a debt is not necessarily bad, some of the biggest companies on the planet have debts on purpose. The only way to infinite expansion is through borrowing beyond capacity.

And with free trade there's going to be a deficit, that's just gonna be there.

What Obama did is stop our economy from free falling into the pits of hell

Firefly218

Originally posted by Silent Master
Says the guy claiming Obama got the entire country out of bankruptcy. I didn't mean bankrupt literally. The word can be used metaphorically dude. Like if I wanted to deflect, I would call Trump morally bankrupt. See?

Silent Master

Originally posted by Firefly218
I didn't mean bankrupt literally. The word can be used metaphorically dude. Like if I wanted to deflect, I would call Trump morally bankrupt. See?

Then explain in detail what you meant by "Obama got the entire damn country out of bankruptcy."

Originally posted by Silent Master
You did exactly what Rob and others(including you) complain that Surtur does when people complain about Trump.

It's that leftist motto. Rules for thee, but not for me.

They apply it everywhere. It's okay to point out any lie Trump says, but how dare you point out lies about guns, don't you care about dead children?

Blindside12

All Fly has done is try and take Solyndra off the list as a scandal, refusing to recognize it as a failure, and cast the blame on "Trump had five bankruptcy as a civilian" which completely means what Obama did, wasn't a failure.

Remember Fly has said numerous times everyone else is partisan here, but him.

Surtur

He's just upset with how utterly out of touch with reality Obama's comments show he is.

dadudemon

Originally posted by Firefly218
Scandal would imply corruption or acting against the interests of the American people right? Under that definition, investing billions in loans to dozens of green energy ventures and having a few of them fail is not a scandal. Sure, you can say retrospectively that it was a mistake, but I don't see how it's a scandal.

I do view it as a very easy to label scandal. It was a pretty big deal back in the day and it was part of what got Democratic voters butthurt about Obama...and part of why many liberals protested Obama in the streets with signs that said "Bush 2.0."

To cover more details on why this is an easy scandal to put on Obama:

Here's some stuff on it:

https://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/obamas-solyndra-problem/

Basically, Obama was trying to make a name for himself very quickly out of the gate. The purposefully did not take good advice. Obama lied. Bla bla bla. They went under because it as poorly managed. And we have the scandal.

https://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/obamas-solyndra-problem/

If you were to do this as a business, you'd get fired. Obviously. Which is part of why people were mad and protesting Obama in 2012. Some of the lying that Obama died and "washing away" to save his ego is very similar to what Trump is doing now. It's actually a bit weird reading things Obama said that are eerily close to the same things Trump says. Blame games. Trying to save face. Backdoor deals. Not listening to advice. Sounds a lot like Trump, doesn't it?