Janice,
I am in Vancouver, BC all week for the IAF Congress. You might contact Lori Garver.
JML
John M. Logsdon
Director, Space Policy Institute
Elliott School of International Affairs
George Washington University
Suite 403
1957 E Street NW
Washington, DC 20052
phone - (202)994-7292 fax - (202)994-1639
www.gwu.edu/~spi
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>> 1. Re: Military Role in Space Control: A Primer (Allen Thomson)
> 2. RE: X-Prize -- Lindburgh's aircraft was never scaled up to
> become a passenger airliner. (Spellman James Civ 60MDG/PA)
> 3. Re: Military Role in Space Control: A Primer (Allen Thomson)
> 4. Re: RE: X-Prize -- Lindburgh's aircraft was never scaled up
> to become a passenger airliner. (DwayneDay)
> 5. Re: Fate of Genesis bus (Marc D. Rayman)
> 6. China at the IAF Congress (DwayneDay)
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>> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:34:04 -0500
> From: "Allen Thomson" <thomsona at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Military Role in Space Control: A Primer
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>>> > MILITARY ROLE IN SPACE CONTROL (CRS)
>> See also the recent "Counterspace Operations",
>http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/service_pubs/afdd2_2_1.pdf>> (I forget whether this was mentioned here earlier.)
>>>>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:09:14 -0500
> From: "Spellman James Civ 60MDG/PA" <James.Spellman at travis.af.mil>
> Subject: [FPSPACE] RE: X-Prize -- Lindburgh's aircraft was never
> scaled up to become a passenger airliner.
> To: <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
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>> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Keith Gottschalk" <kgottschalk at uwc.ac.za>
> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:28:22
> To:<fpspace at friends-partners.org>
> Subject: [FPSPACE] Ticket prices; X prizes
>> Quoting Keith --
> "From a question to a reflection. Everyone makes the connection
> between the X prize and the prize Lindburgh won. But Lindburgh's
> aircraft was never scaled up to become a passenger airliner. I do not
> know if the company that built it ever became serious players in the
> airliner industry."
>>> This might help. . .
> ~JS~
>> Ryan Aeronautical Company
>> T. Claude Ryan, best known for building the plane that Charles
> Lindberghflew in his famous 1927 transatlantic flight, was born in
> Kansas in
> 1898. He learned to fly in 1917, was trained by the U.S. Army Air
> Corps,and served with the U.S. Aerial Forest Patrol. In 1922 he
> establishedthe Ryan Flying School and a business in San Diego,
> California, for
> flying sightseers around town. In April 1925, needing capital, Ryan
> became partners with Benjamin Franklin Mahoney and formed Ryan
> Airlines.The company converted war surplus aircraft for civil use,
> rebuildingStandard open-cockpit biplanes to cabin transports. Ryan
> also acquired
> the Douglas Cloudster and used it as a passenger plane after modifying
> it to accommodate passengers in an enclosed cabin. He designed and
> builtabout 40 M-1 and M-2 mail/passenger transports in 1926.
>> Ryan sold his interest in the company to Mahoney in 1926 but
> stayed on
> to manage the company. In early 1927, a group of St. Louis investors
> asked Ryan if he could build a plane for a nonstop transatlantic trip
> within 60 days. He accepted the challenge and produced the Spirit
> of St.
> Louis, which Charles Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic. Ryan,
> however,had no financial stake in the company and did not receive
> much in the
> way of tangible rewards.
>> Mahoney formed the Mahoney-Ryan Aircraft Corporation in St. Louis,
> Missouri, in 1928, to capitalize on Ryan's name. The new company
> produced a number of airplanes but was acquired by the holding company
> Detroit Aircraft Corporation in May 1929. Detroit folded the next year
> and sold the factory in October 1930.
>> Meanwhile, also in 1926, Ryan had established a separate, Ryan
> Aeronautical Company, primarily to import Siemens aircraft engines
> fromGermany. In 1928, Siemens, which wished to establish its own
> distributorship in the United States, bought Ryan out for $75,000.
>> With the money he received from Siemens, Ryan started a flying
> school in
> May 1928, and formed the Ryan School of Aeronautics on June 5,
> 1931. On
> May 26, 1934, he formed a new Ryan Aeronautical Company, and the
> schooleventually became a subsidiary.
>> The first design by the new company was the Ryan ST. The prototype's
> first flight took place from Lindbergh Field on June 8, 1934. The
> ST was
> a two-seat, open-cockpit aircraft with fabric-covered braced low-wings
> and an all-metal fuselage. A 95 horsepower (71-horsepower) inline
> enginepowered it, giving the ST a top speed of almost 140 miles
> per hour (225
> kilometers per hour). With its exceptional handling and speed, the ST
> caused a minor sensation at the time. However, only five were
> produced.Less than a year later, the STA appeared. Powered by a
> 125-horsepower
> (93-kilowatt) engine, this model set a number of light plane speed and
> altitude records and also won the 1937 International Aerobatic
> Championships, piloted by Tex Rankin. The next model was the STA
> Special, powered by a supercharged 150-horsepower (112-kilowatt)
> engine.This led directly to the STM (Sport Trainer Military) that
> had the same
> engine but a slightly wider cockpit opening to accommodate the wearing
> of parachutes.
>> The STM was initially marketed in Latin American. Small numbers of
> single-seat versions were sold to Bolivia, Ecuador, Guatemala,
> Honduras,Mexico, and Nicaragua. The biggest export customer turned
> out to be the
> Netherlands East Indies (later Indonesia), which needed a basic
> trainerwhen war broke out in Europe in 1939 and its pilots could
> not reach the
> Netherlands for training. In 1940, an order was placed for 84 STM-2
> landplane and 24 STM-S2 floatplane trainers that were used as primary,
> basic, and advanced trainers and for every task except bombing and
> gunnery training. Following the invasion of Java by the Japanese,
> several STMs were captured and flown by the invading forces.
> However, 34
> managed to be evacuated by ship to Australia where the Royal
> AustralianAir Force put them into service.
>> Meanwhile, in 1939, the U.S. Army Air Corps acquired an STA for
> evaluation under the designation XPT-16. A contract for 15 YPT-16s
> (thelimited version of the XPT) followed. Production for the Air
> Corps was
> initiated in 1940 with 30 PT-20 trainers, which were similar to the
> YPT-16. The next year, Ryan developed a version with an engine that
> would provide better performance. One hundred PT-21s with a
> 132-horsepower (98 kilowatt) engine were ordered. Additional trainers
> were ordered, and with the rapid expansion of training during
> 1941, Ryan
> received a contract for 1,023 PT-22 Recruits, which were similar
> to the
> earlier model. He also developed the civil S-C cabin version.
>> Also notable was the experimental YO-51 Dragonfly observation craft,
> which pioneered short takeoff and landing (STOL) techniques. Ryan
> delivered three YO-51 test models in 1940, but no production order
> followed.
>> Ryan's school also trained thousands of Army pilots during the
> war, very
> likely becoming the largest contract flying school in the country
> duringthe war.
>> Ryan received a Navy contract in December 1943, to develop the XFR-1
> compound fighter, with a piston engine mounted conventionally in the
> nose and a turbojet engine in the rear fuselage and exhausting through
> the tail. This was followed with an order for 100 FR-1 aircraft, later
> named Fireball. The first XFR-1 flew on June 25, 1944 without the
> turbojet, and the first flight with both engines took place in July.
> Deliveries of Fireballs to the Navy began in March 1945, and by that
> time Ryan had received contracts for a total of 1,300 production
> aircraft. But cancellations at the end of the war reduced its numbers
> and none served in the war. They were used extensively for tests
> aboardaircraft carriers before being phased out in 1947.
>> In the postwar slump, to stay in the business, the company produced
> burial coffins for a time. It then turned out Navion planes until the
> Korean War, a small plane for the personal-business market and for
> military customers, acquired from the aircraft company North American
> Aviation. While out of aircraft production, Ryan gained important
> experimental aircraft contracts and was one of the early leaders
> in the
> emerging missile and unpiloted-aircraft fields, along with Douglas,
> Martin, and Bell companies. Ryan developed the Firebee target
> drone and
> the Firebird, the first true air-to-air guided missile. His
> company also
> pioneered Doppler systems and lunar landing radar.
>> There was strong interest in vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL)
> high-performance combat aircraft. The Air Force sponsored the Ryan
> X-13
> Vertijet, which made its first conventional flight on December 28,
> 1956.It achieved vertical takeoff to horizontal flight to vertical
> landing on
> April 11, 1957, but remained strictly experimental. The Vertijet,
> alongwith the VZ-3RY, and the SV-5A Vertifan convertiplanes all
> advanced the
> field.
>> In 1955, the Emtor Holding Company, a California investment firm,
> acquired 20 percent of Ryan. The company originally had gone
> public in
> the late 1930s, and Claude Ryan held only 12 percent of the stock by
> 1955, so Emtor gained effective control. Robert Johnson of Emtor
> joinedRyan's board and became president in 1961, with Claude Ryan
> continuingas chairman. Ryan acquired a 50-percent interest in
> Continental Motors
> Corporation of Detroit, the aircraft engine producer, in 1965.
>> Ryan was acquired by Teledyne, Inc., for $128 million in 1968 and
> becamea wholly owned subsidiary of Teledyne in February 1969.
> Claude Ryan
> retired but afterward pursued independent experimental work in
> aircraftfor several years.
>> Claude Ryan died in 1982 at the age of 84.
>> -Judy Rumerman
>> References and Further Reading:
>> Donald, David, gen. ed., The Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft.
> New York; Barnes & Noble Books, 1997.
>> Pattillo, Donald. Pushing the Envelope. Ann Arbor, Mich.: The
> Universityof Michigan Press, 1998.
>> Wagner, William. Ryan, the Aviator - Being the Adventures &
> Ventures of
> Pioneer Airman & Businessman T. Claude Ryan. New York: McGraw-Hill
> BookCompany, 1971.
>> "Claude Ryan." San Diego Historical Society.
>http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/ryan/ryan.htm>>> "Ryan STM-S2." New Zealand Warbirds Association.
>http://www.nzwarbirds.org.nz/ryana.html>>> Tekulsky, Joseph D. "Peoples and Planes: B.F. Mahoney."
>http://www.thehistorynet.com/AviationHistory/articles/03964_text.htm>>>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:33:57 -0500
> From: "Allen Thomson" <thomsona at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Military Role in Space Control: A Primer
> To: "fpspace" <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
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>>> >> MILITARY ROLE IN SPACE CONTROL (CRS)
>> > See also the recent "Counterspace Operations",
> > http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/service_pubs/afdd2_2_1.pdf>>> And http://www.cdi.org/PDFs/FY05Appropriations.pdf>>>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:14:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: DwayneDay <zirconic1 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] RE: X-Prize -- Lindburgh's aircraft was never
> scaled up to become a passenger airliner.
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>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spellman James Civ 60MDG/PA <James.Spellman at travis.af.mil>
> Sent: Oct 2, 2004 1:09 PM
>>> This might help. . .
> ~JS~
>> Ryan Aeronautical Company
>> ********
>> You didn't cite the URL. The essay is from the Centennial of
> Flight website:
>> www.centennialofflight.gov
>> Myself, Dr. Siddiqi, former Space Online editor Roger Guillemette,
> and a lot of other people worked on that website a few years ago.
> I am not fond of the website layout, but the essays there are
> great sources of info on various aviation and space subjects. It
> is worth looking at.
>>>> DDAY
>>>>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:46:43 -0700
> From: "Marc D. Rayman" <marc.d.rayman at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [FPSPACE] Fate of Genesis bus
> To: FPSpace <fpspace at friends-partners.org>
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>> At 9:14 PM +0200 9/30/04, Paolo Ulivi wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >according to the Genesis launch press kit, the spacecraft bus was
> to
> >be ditched in the Pacific Ocean after releasing the capsule.
> >However, I have seen studies indicating that it could be diverted
> >and its scientific instruments (two particle monitors) re-used in
> an
> >extended mission either at L1, or switching between L1 and L2 or
> in
> >heliocentric orbit.
> >The Genesis landing press kit does not mention the ditching, an
> >article in AWST hints that the bus was to be diverted and I find
> >that it is still listed in the JPL's Ephemeris Generator. Does
> >anybody know what was its fate?
> >Paolo
>> As I've seen no response to your question, I'll come out of
> lurkspace
> momentarily.
>> Genesis was diverted past Earth following the release of the
> Sample
> Return Capsule (SRC), and it is in a very high eccentricity orbit,
> with an apogee around 1 million km. The maneuver was designed to
> accommodate two options: 1) safely dispose of the bus in space if
> the
> SRC separation were successful, or 2) enable a second entry
> attempt
> in March 2005 if the SRC separation were aborted or unsuccessful.
>> I don't work on Genesis, but the last I heard, the plan was simply
> to
> allow the Sun to pump up the bus' orbital energy, ultimately
> causing
> it to escape into a heliocentric Earth-trailing orbit. Because
> the
> spacecraft has more delta-v capability now than when it was
> launched
> (the reduction in mass by releasing the SRC more than compensates
> for
> the propellant expended during the mission), alternatives were
> being
> considered that might involve other substantial changes to its orbit.
>> As I understand it, possible uses for the spacecraft include solar
> wind science (as you point out) and astrodynamics tests.
>> Back to lurking...
>> Marc Rayman
>>>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:34:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: DwayneDay <zirconic1 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [FPSPACE] China at the IAF Congress
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>> In fall 2002 China was set to make a more public appearance at the
> World Space Congress in Houston. They had a number of speakers,
> including one on the Shenzhou heat shield and another on an SZ
> experiment. Unfortunately, the US State Department did not get
> them their visas, and a majority of the Chinese space papers were
> not presented.
>> I looked through the list of papers for the IAF Congress in
> Vancouver (officially starting Monday) and noticed that a number
> of the papers that had to cancel back in 2002 are back now,
> including the two I mentioned. However, it does not seem to me
> like there is much else that is new or revealing about the Chinese
> space program. I assumed that they would have used an event like
> this as an opportunity to brag about their new human spaceflight
> program. Of course, they might have more material at their
> pavilion, but that remains to be seen. (In 2002 their pavilion
> had remarkably little information.)
>>>> DDAY
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