Progressives Are Not Being Honest About Gun Control

Few things are more dangerous to a nation’s citizenry than when its leaders decide to turn on their own or selected groupings of their own people (and Jewish people should especially understand this). Tyrannical governments should be feared far more than various types of weapons—especially when tyrants have no or few restrictions on their own selection of weapons. The progressive idea of the 2nd Amendment was the notion that common people can have the right to defend themselves against tyrannical governments (including and especially when their own choose to turn on them—which has happened all throughout history). THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS CURRENT DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL DOES NOT WARRANT TRUST ENOUGH FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY TO HANDOVER GUNS TO THIS CORRUPTED STATUS QUO.

Progressives Are Being Not Honest About Gun Control

By Spade Speaks

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Few things are more dangerous to a nation’s citizenry than when its leaders decide to turn on their own or selected groupings of their own people (and Jewish people should especially understand this). Tyrannical governments should be feared far more than various types of weapons—especially when tyrants have no or few restrictions on their own selection of weapons. The progressive idea of the 2nd Amendment was the notion that common people can have the right to defend themselves against tyrannical governments (including and especially when their own choose to turn on them—which has happened all throughout history).

Yet this argument gets far too little mention from liberals like Amy Goodman’s DemocracyNow.Org, Pacifica broadcast of her Global News Hour War and Peace Report. Rather than being fair and balanced about this important consideration she and her colleagues heavily weight their show’s reporting and commentary to a supposedly “mainstream” and supposedly “sane” family agenda of allowing our government to heavily restrict the types of weapons common people can own (thus destroying any ability for independent Americans to be able to protect themselves from their own corrupted government (and its enormous arsenal of weaponry and resource—none of which liberals attempt to restrict).

As crucial and extremely relevant to a truly honest debate about gun control, is for presumed liberals (but also for all in the middle and on the right of America’s majority) to get honest about is just how corrupt the American Government and our America culture truly is. This is where the debate needs to go—and must go—because the American government is really very corrupt (and has been for a long time). And yet like the frog finding self in boiling water forgets to realize how dangerous things can get. Why would aware Americans trust the Washington D.C. Establishment or its Mainstream Media stenographers (or pretenders of independent thought)?

The real meaning of liberal is not someone willing to try anything or have anything that on first impulse seems good but someone who listens and thinks about “all” relevant points of view fairly before deciding a course of action. It is NOT liberal to say that just because I am a wife or a husband and I believe in the inevitable right to have children then I will espouse whatever repressive laws will create a false sense of naïve security (such as banning all or most guns) which naïve moms and children were saying in interviews during a Million Mon March protest across the Brooklyn bridge). Why aren’t those moms explaining to their children why they as parents even thought it was a good idea to have given them birth to innocent children into this screwed up world in the first place? Just because one is a mom and or a woman doesn’t make it a truth that gender means the epitome of innocence. Women have time to discover what kind of planet this is and realize it isn’t necessarily a place one would even want to raise kids.

More importantly this gun control debate is NOT primarily about the NRA or the gun industry. And yes they have a big stake in it so it is fair to report on how much of a stake they do have. And it is not primarily or even secondarily about whether schools should be protected by armed police or teachers. (Schools can volunteer to get metal detectors run by non-police if they chose to.) The NRA is shooting itself in the foot if this is the best response they can come up with.

Rather this debate needs to focus on the important matter of THE PEOPLES’ RIGHT to protect themselves from the American Government. There is enormous fear for many people to vocalize a simple truth: the American government is not just one of the most corrupt governments currently in existence, but is likely one of the most corrupt countries in history. This is what NO ONE wants to talk about, or acknowledge, for fear of rejection, reprisal, ostracism, persecution, imprisonment, torture and death (all activities our people are more than capable of). The United States ought be one of the last countries people would want to trust—especially when it comes to such important matters as handing over their right to self-protection from this same government. NOBODY argues this case and yet this is the seminal matter.

Why is it so hard to say: “I’m afraid of my own government and afraid of some of the special interest groups that wield too much power in our government into getting our governments into various wars”?

If We The People truly had a trustworthy government with a trustworthy track record it would be one thing, but this is not at all the case. Those people, like President Obama, who claim they want to hear from all sides on the matter, are not getting this message. It is being suppressed. Instead we are being told there is no legitimate reason for Americans to want to have semiautomatic and automatic weapons—that one only needs guns for sports hunting and hand guns for protection against criminal intrusion. Everyone is just supposed to assume that government itself is not any kind of potential problem (as if it were some trust-loving father figure).

And one of the reasons this argument is being suppressed is because there are OTHER MOTIVES involved in taking away guns than simply making America safer (whether President Obama, most politicians, and most Americans know it or not). So what we are currently stuck with is a tyranny of a naïve majority, using the semblance of a demagogue’s passion play to excite the masses, while they “hail” our great and supposedly trusted leaders on, as they use the foil to claim that the NRA and gun industry and everything related are the bad guys—as if this were merely an issue of starry-eyed pacifists against corrupted motives of gun thugs. The NRA may have several dominant motives that are self-interested, narrow and even arrogant as intent—but these are not the important issues about gun ownership now as U.S, history unfolds.

Study the “real” history of American foreign policy and you see one act of undemocratic exploitation after another, one illegal war after another, one form of extortion, murder and torture after another. No one can ultimately be safe from this government (even if much of the dirty work has been done by surrogates and proxies). Chris Hedges, astute social and political commentator, and Pulitzer Prize winner, also author of several important books including The Death of the Liberal Class, wrote on Oct. 1, 2012 (website TruthDig.Com) an article called What Is Happening to Muslims Will Happen to the Rest of Us. Somehow Americans think they are impervious to the kinds of fates of what many other peoples have suffered throughout history and currently suffer (see online video Innocents Betrayed) or they magically presume well our bad guys are not quite as bad as those baddies would did terrible things in Germany or Russia.

How can any sane person possibly trust the American Congress or the Executive Branch (or and especially the two major political parties married to special interests such as the Neo-Con-Art agenda and that are not particular democratic or republican) to make laws banning guns for We The People, while not being suspicious that this same government (or some version) will not one day persecute, imprison, torture and kill some of its own people? How much Kool-Aid have people been drinking?

Furthermore this debate is not about labeling hyperactive vigilantes like Alex Jones as pushers of paranoia—because the fact is Alex Jones is right on many of the details he makes people aware—even if his overall schemata of a globalist-takeover plot seems far-fetched. When you study highly regarded academics like Daron Acemoglu (MIT) and James Robinson (Havard) Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity and Poverty you realize many forms of established power have worked to the detriment of sharing power and wealth with others (and often acted in repressive and undemocratic manners—that is they became extractive and parasitic). Their book shows us many, many examples of this contemporary and historical reality. Or if you read the likes of Kevin Phillips Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism you realize our finance sector too has been exploiting people. These realities described by respected academics may not equal up to some overall calculation of a mega-conspiracy of sorts as some populists may so label but the effects are much the same.

The United States has “many” extractive and parasitic forces consolidating power and wealth—so Alex Jones is more than sane and accurate than what a lot of the mainstream and middle class assume (and more importantly know) as they have been too much seduced by false and “calculated” impressions from this same mainstream). “Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get you.”

Sometimes paranoia and extreme opinion is sanity. One thing serious thinkers should realize—when people are angry you need to listen to them because people get angry about what they care about or what they perceive as important (even if their issues don’t resonate or seem important to others). Mr. Alex Jones might seem a bit mad—but he was dead on when it came to asking Mr. Piers Morgan why he and his media company wasn’t “indicting” pharmaceutical companies about violence in America due to the side effects of medications—clearly a culprit at least as culpable as the NRA or the gun industry? (Look at the smear campaign against Tom Cruz when he suggested people didn’t need medications—how fair and balanced was that?). Is it not true that there is a big tendency to over-medicate in America (where is the Million moms on that one?).

Why are so many Americans so naïve about history and human nature in general, and especially about American’s real history? Why are Americans so willing to trust their own government, culture, and mass media? Don’t they realize how many times they have been lied to? Yet even they eventually came to learn they were lied to about the Iraq invasion and its illegal occupation (which Israel had a great deal to do with making happen). And they could easily as well know, if they did some research, the U.S. was strongly and primarily instrumental in over-throwing a democratically elected Iranian leader Mossadegh back in 1953 (and yes he was socialist and yes he nationalized Iranian oil and kicked big western oil out (or are we ‘not’ supposed to think it was Iran’s oil and instead automatically belonged to western corporations?)) and equally the U.S. helped put a brutal Shah in power in Iran and kept him in power for decades—while their notorious internal security service SAVAK tortured regularly (as supposedly trained by agents from the CIA and Israel (according to Jesse J. Leaf former CIA analyst—see William Blum’s Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower and his Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since WW 2 or his Freeing the World to Death, etc.)).

And we should note there has been a strain in history of U.S. and Israel sponsored torture—and the reason that is relevant is because right-wing Israel and Zionists has every intention of manipulating our country, our people and our resources into another major war—this time with Iran (irrespective that other recent interventions primarily “for” Israel have been declared disasters, and more importantly have hurt a lot of peoples’ welfare, safety, besides destroying their infrastructure (including international crimes), while many people became displaced, homeless, murdered, or cruelly tortured and then murdered (and again Israel (via the U.S.) has already played a significant part in motivating these outcomes to become realities—just like we are currently fighting Charlie Wilson Wars in places like Syria, Libya, etc. for who?).

Take away Americans guns and then go to war with Iran. Yeah that sounds simple enough? If protests get too demonstrative—well too bad—what are you going to do about it? Besides this could be a really big war (as the manipulated war in Syria from American leadership (most U.S citizens would not normally care about) is just a prelude to going into Iran for both oil and for Israeli interests). Then if they need to restart the draft cause there are not enough volunteers—well protesters can just get imprisoned and maybe roughened up a bit (besides isn’t that what willing parents already volunteer—their children’s potential enlistment into wars (just or unjust) so they can shoot and kill others and be shot at and possibly killed in return?).

And isn’t it ironic how many wars the U.S. is already involved in and how much money is spent by the U.S. Congress for the U.S. military machine and related budgets to keep us safe (and of course that is all justified too if it keeps moms in America and Israel safe—nothing worth complaining about in some march just because their government spends a bit of an over-reach—after all we have to protect not only our own interests from U.S. enemies but we have to protect Israel from all their enemies as well—and even engage in creating more enemies while doing so).

Whoever is in power—and it’s not the President as singular and temporary ego even if a top-of-the-line speech maker—has the important cards. If you think citizens have power with the ballot you are beyond stupid as Ron Paul was deprived of his real chance of becoming the next President as someone who would actually have got us out of all these wars. Meanwhile Barark Obama as intelligent as he is (and people should not underestimate his acumen) has spent too much of his life coming to terms with his personal uniqueness and blackness—but he has not spent enough time understanding the greater capacity for evil that hides behind the greatest capacity to project trust—namely religion. He doesn’t understand Israel wants to be the lion and expects the rest of the world to be the lamb. He doesn’t understand that a real Universal God would never have told a Hebrew people to dominate or kill the inhabitants of Canaan—because such dogma could only have come from a tribal God as decreed in inter-tribal warfare, and therefore this Biblical creed was nothing more than war propaganda saying: “Our ethnocentric people own this land because our Yahweh said so, as he also said we should kill off its current inhabitants in our Canaan”. Barack Obama doesn’t understand that the Old Testament and Torah (and quite frankly the New Testament) are humanly created tools of propaganda (or if he does he doesn’t act like it).

This is the trajectory we are expected to follow—more war for Israel while our economy collapses. That is more wars to prop up their form of government that in reality is antithetical to our own declared values of equality for all regardless of ethnicity, race or religion. This is one of the corrupting forces tearing our society apart. And what we get is a Congress too willing to suppress more of Americans’ freedom.

Why does this President find that his mission is to follow a path that creates a great deal of divisive alienation? A lot of independents voted willingly for Obama his first term, and reluctantly in his second as bad versus terrible (because they didn’t want Romney), but one can well conclude President Obama has too much of a sense of deluded self-importance and moral mission to something grandiose. Even he cannot deny that is married to the machine (a machine that ultimately doesn’t give a damn about him). He has already shown his colors in his first term as nothing more than an apologist to a corrupted Democratic Party that has loyalties to other interests and not the American people. Now he is willing to put his life and career on the line for what will NOT make Americans safer (that is until this government gets cleaned up first).

Practically everyone knows Israel has been deciding our foreign policy—at least in the Middle East. We went into to war with Iraq for Israel. This was all able to happen because of 9/11. (And it is NOT at all clear who was really behind 9/11, but people who doubt conspiracy theories about 9/11 the most, and choose to instead believe the official story, do so because they are afraid to learn more truth—they are the ones who have not done their research. Instead they proudly think they already know truth.

This is the crux of our American problem—and unwillingness to look at our criminal past and present—and instead wanting to focus on crimes people who are not in power might commit (even if the statistical averages are very low). For example it may be true, and may sound impressively shocking, that in the month since Sandy Hook killings, 900 Americans have died at the end of a gun; but the U.S. has a population of at least 360 million people. When you do the math that equals one in 400,000 (and likely many of those were suicides—which should be a human right in which suffering people ought have the means to die in dignity.)

Amy Goodman and her colleagues know our government is corrupt to the point it should not be trusted. In fact she and her crew do a good job reporting on a lot of it. And yet they do not tell their listeners to connect the dots. Rather people are still connecting the dots Mainstream Media coolies had pointed out long ago and then showed them how and where to connect them. Why the disconnect?

It is precisely those people who have been the most courageous in reporting truth—including Alex Jones—yes the ugly truth about real conspiracies—that have the most to loose. What about the people who were involved in the 9/11 Truth Movement? Or what about all the attempts to control the Internet from this same Congress like Senator Feinstein an Lieberman? If this government starts spying on, and concentrating dissidents for various reasons, such as for potential cases of martial law, then what power can save them through justice? Rebel groups of dissidents have been spied on, disappeared, killed en masse, tortured, etc., all through history, and all around the world, ad nauseas, because as Chris Hedges reminds us mankind is a beast and savage (even if social idealists act as too willing to trust the people who run this government as the answer is too credulous to fathom).

The American government, and its corporate counterpart, already spies on us without warrant; they can already detain us without giving reason—indefinitely; they can now use the U.S. military to create martial law and concentrate people; they can even kill Americans if they are labeled terrorists; and now progressives want Americans to give up our last resort to any kind of defensive power to defend ourselves?

Why is it so hard to say it?

THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS CURRENT DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL DOES NOT WARRANT TRUST CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY TO HANDOVER GUNS TO THIS CORRUPTED STATUS QUO.

Leftists and rightists both are playing a Bolshevik move on a blind and dumb polity. We have a right and a duty to have real debate aired on this issue. What happens when either Israel or the U.S. attacks Iran (or engages false flag operations to commence hostilities as they are so readily expert) and we enter a World War and where that might lead?

THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS CURRENT DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL DOES NOT WARRANT TRUST ENOUGH FOR THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY TO HANDOVER GUNS TO THIS CORRUPTED STATUS QUO.

If journalists and activists want a safe country then they can start with fixing the government first and its assumed domination over the entire world.

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Comments (12 of 12)

If the people of america rose up and tried to use their guns against the state it would be suicide. The state has all the best weapons and a shitload of well trained cannonfodder to use them efficiently on the people. Attacking them would just give them an excuse to take the gloves off.

And your ak47 would be pretty useless against a black hawk with a rail gun!

The evolution of weapons technology has made the ideals of the founding fathers such as "the right to bear arms" seem a little outdated and pointless. All buying guns does is create more profits for the corporate military industrial complex, and give it even more money to control the government and hence your laws.

If they were around today, the founding fathers might be more interested in dismantling corporate and financial institutions, limiting the expansion of the military industrial complex, and protecting stuff like internet freedoms and independent media, and assuring a high standard of education and critical thinking for all, which is possibly the best way of protecting society against misinformation, propaganda and lies, the manufacture of consent or right wing fascist soft coups, which is essentially what is going on.

If you want change then you need very large scale peaceful civil disobedience, not lots of weapons everywhere being used by violent nutjobs on each other and on innocent people.

Instead of selling a bunch of small arms to everyone, you need to get them all to turn off their TV sets and read a few books, and get out on the streets en masse and bring the whole corrupt system to a stop. That's what they fear. The state and their corporate friends can only operate if it they can engineer the passive consent of a majority of the people. Once they lose that it's game over.

The NRA is just there to help lubricate profitable gun sales to frightened people.

I agree with your assessment, and I would like to try and add a little to it using the following excerpt:

"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution. I would be willing to depend on that alone for the reduction of the administration of our government to the genuine principles of its Constitution; I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing."

The above excerpt is from a letter by the then "founding father" Vice-President of the Republic of the United States Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, dated November 26, 1798. (The full text of the letter can be viewed at: http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/jefferson/taylor.html )

My lengthy research very strongly suggests that it was the failure of United States governments, then and since then -- leaving aside a relatively very brief period when Republican US President Abraham Lincoln very successfully did something of the "Thomas Jefferson" sort using his home-made "Greenbacks" during the American Civil War (before being assassinated) -- to produce their own debt-free and interest-free money supply, that has the whole world (more or less) in the almighty "economic" mess it's now in: and which is of course much, much more than just an "economic" mess. More like a "f**k, fight, and bite" seething cesspit of political, legal, and corporate corruption, crime, cover-ups, and impunity, I'd say?

"I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing": this, in my opinion, is EXACTLY the direction, in principle, that the Republic of Ireland Central Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) needs to head off in at the present time: and it needs to be quick about it!!

In other words, the Government of the Republic of Ireland needs to provide itself with its own debt-free, and interest-free money supply ASAP: for the funding of our own necessary and worthwhile projects, projects which have the support, and the direct involvement -- keeping in mind the "participation is the key to harmony" principle -- of "the people" of the Republic of Ireland.

Failure by our Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) to move smartly in this direction will mean more, MUCH MORE (in my opinion), and much sooner and more suddenly than many realise perhaps, of "government of the money-power-psychopaths, by the money-power-psychopaths, for the money-power-psychopaths": for projects that the money-power-psychopaths want and support: which of course includes non-stop, never-ending global warfare of EVERY possible kind imaginable; and, with people like our Prime Minister Enda Kenny helping them out by playing the role of a two-faced puppet -- corruptly and hypocritically trying, but failing, to convincingly talk out of both sides of his mouth at the same time -- while, in reality, being "remotely controlled" by "the banksters" who are "pulling the strings" from behind the scenes in places which I believe would include the City of London and Wall Street (for example).

If our Prime Minister Enda Kenny was the only "puppet government leader" of the Money Power Psychopaths in the world at the present time, the overall situation for humanity generally would not be anywhere nearly so bad, mad, and dangerous. Unfortunately, just now, our Prime Minister Enda Kenny is a very long way off from being on his own (it seems to me). He appears to have lots of "puppet government leader" company at the present time -- very "bad" company as far as I'm concerned -- in several parts of the world: which is what is making the world such an extremely dangerous place: keeping in mind the present level of "thermonuclear weapons of mass destruction" being maintained, and daily added to, on land and sea; and, on the prowl lurking beneath the sea as well, for good measure and for the extra "safety" and "protection" we all need ("like a hole in the head"!!).

There is an interesting podcast from the Guns and Butter show from Jan 9th where they discuss media discrepancies around the cover of this mass shooting. Certainly a lot of things don't add up and they cover the strange coroner's press conference.

It is certainly well listening to and disturbing to think that state forces could be involved in something like this, but then again if a country can happy fake evidence for a war -aka Iraq and then bomb the country to pieces and combined with the occupation kill far in excess of 100,000 and you can assume there are 1000s of kids in those numbers then what is killing 20 or 30 to pursue some goal?

>>>My lengthy research
Your "lengthy" reasearch could not have extended beyond a few books by conspiracist regurgitators, otherwise you would know that Lincoln was a Whig, a willing partner of the money power, no friend of the people; and that the greenbacks were NOT debt-free; H.A. Lincoln was the one (and the crew around him) who established the U.S. national debt which has not been paid off since. The trajectory that Obama is on, was started by Lincoln---
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On the 4th of July, 1861, the 37th Congress met in first or extraordinary session. The Speaker elect [Galusha A. Grow] delivered a ferocious and bloodthirsty address, declaring that territorial unity must be maintained "No flag alien to the sources of the Mississippi river will ever float over its mouths till its waters are crimsoned with human gore; and not one foot of American soil can ever be wrenched from the jurisdiction of the Constitution of the United States until it is baptized in fire and blood." This atrocious sentiment was received, according to the official report, with "vociferous applause upon the floor and in the galleries, which lasted for many minutes."
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How is "finnerty" a better login name than "789" -- never mind the person, worry about your complete lack of knowledge regarding H.A. Lincoln (he got you a war, a banking system, and a national debt; what more could you ask for from a Whig)

Jane, it is possible to have a rational debate and include other motives that may be at work by the government. Because such theories are proposed does not mean that one is in favour of guns. All I will say at this point is how very rapidly the story went from coverage of the massacre in Dec to the political agenda. And just because you are for gun control, it is still imperative that people make sure there isn't some other sinister agenda at work that is preying on these fears and using them.

Clearly more guns in a society leads to more deaths by guns just through simple accidents, let alone by mass shootings.

Anyhow as we all know, there is no realistic chance of this situation changing soon in the US. What we may agree on is that there are certain factors within US society which seem to aggravate the problem and that is the lack of a social net although the one we have here and in the rest of Europe is being dismantled as we speak. Overall though the nature of US society which is one of hyper-individualism PLUS the huge level of medication (of psychotic drugs) taken by the population for mental health problems means that when you have guns in this mix where there are no outlets, no examples of solidarity or basically any form of help, then stress levels and crazy thoughts by people can easily get carried away and fester, resulting in the carnage we see regularly.

Like all problems we face today they are not just single dimensional. The establishment likes us to think that way because then there is no fear in connecting the dots to figure out how badly run society is in most places and what a terrible deal the mass of the population gets while all the wealth and resources are wasted on a few.

So it should be clear that this problem is unlikely to be solved without any advance is solving all the other societal problems of that place at the same time.

it's sad to see these days how so many supposededly enlighted educated people are duped into dismissing any alternative point of view which can be backed up with real facts as conspiracy theory. i have noticed this about so many on the left that it is quite alarming as they are ultimately victimising themselves and others by their obstinacy. Ideologies and nearly everything out there serve the elites and they have been given to you. Sadly the vast bulk of people on the 'left' don't understand the real agendas at work.