You aint fighting a losing battle GunShow. To some that winter at Valley Forge was fighting a losing battle but the losing winners keep up the fight. they were freezing their feet and whatever else while the winning losers were eating and dancing by the fires in Philadelphia. We aint losing.

You aint fighting a losing battle GunShow. To some that winter at Valley Forge was fighting a losing battle but the losing winners keep up the fight. they were freezing their feet and whatever else while the winning losers were eating and dancing by the fires in Philadelphia. We aint losing.

Indeed. Here's some more ammo:

"...But great complaint is made of the war preparations of South Carolina. Can any one be serious in saying that there is no cause for this? A State surrounded by military force denied the right to prepare to meet it? Take care, Mr. Speaker this is alarming doctrine to the States! In vain the constitution allows the privilege to the citizen to bear arms for his protection, if, when he rubs up his musket and furnishes it with a fiint, he runs the risk of becoming a traitor! Sir, preparation is no force; as well may you tell me that the gentleman who sits before me with his sword cane, and which, no doubt, he carries for his honest defence, is obliged to run it through the body of the first man he meets, because he has thought proper to be ready for the assaults of either insolence or avarice. I well remember, sir, my own State had once to make warlike preparation against the usurpations of this same Government, and I should like to see the man who would dare to say she meant any thing more than the lawful defence of her undoubted rights. Against this Union she never meditated the slightest movement; but against the unconstitutional acts ot its Government, she did plant herself upon her arms, and hurled defiance in the very teeth of your usurping laws. What Georgia has done in good faith against the designs of arbitrary power, I am willing to accord to other States, without imputing bad motives to the act."

-[Judge] Augustin S. Clayton, Feb. 27, 1833.[REGISTER OF DEBATES IN CONGRESS, COMPRISING THE LEADING DEBATES AND INCIDENTS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWENTY-SECOND CONGRESS: TOGETHER WITH AN APPENDIX, CONTAINING IMPORTANT STATE PAPERS AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, AND THE LAWS, OF A PUBLIC NATURE, ENACTED DURING THE SESSION: WITH A COPIOUS INDEX TO THE WHOLE. VOLUME IX. WASHINGTON: PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY GALES AND SEATON. 1833. Pg. 1834](Judge Augustin S. Clayton, served in both the Georgia House of Representatives and Georgia Senate, and then a representative of Georgia in the U.S. House of Representatives from 18311835).

one thing stood out strongly to me is the date, nearly 3 decades before actual secession. it was a long running skirmish between the States Rightists' and the federalists before actual war broke out. Already South Carolina was preparing because they knew the federalists would eventually attack. The socialists and federalists are the same in 2013. They are like the Hochiminh communists and the Red Chinese Army, they keep coming. Ho Chi Minh said if it takes 10, 20, 50, 100 years we will eventually win. Same philosophy as the coalition of socialists and federalists in DC.

one thing stood out strongly to me is the date, nearly 3 decades before actual secession. it was a long running skirmish between the States Rightists' and the federalists before actual war broke out. Already South Carolina was preparing because they knew the federalists would eventually attack. The socialists and federalists are the same in 2013. They are like the Hochiminh communists and the Red Chinese Army, they keep coming. Ho Chi Minh said if it takes 10, 20, 50, 100 years we will eventually win. Same philosophy as the coalition of socialists and federalists in DC.

Indeed. If you have the time, you should read the congressional records from about 1827 on. It provides a crystal clear reasoning behind the Civil War.(Which unfortunately did have something to do with slavery). But much more with coordinated tyranny and usurpation of the northern manufacturers against the south. Freedom will win out however. Unless good men do nothing....

the northern manufacturers had to have southern cotton in which slave labour was involved. two of the largest plantations in the South with the largest amount of slaves were owned by blacks. they were in Louisiana, one of which was owned by a black female and her son, somewhere west of New Orleans. I learned this from a black professor at a college in Kentucky. there were many black owners of black slaves. One interesting fact is Robert E. Lee did not have any slaves while Ulysses S. Grant had black servants, naturally not called slaves. The northern manufacturers needed southern goods and could not allow the Confederacy to be a separate country.

the northern manufacturers had to have southern cotton in which slave labour was involved. two of the largest plantations in the South with the largest amount of slaves were owned by blacks. they were in Louisiana, one of which was owned by a black female and her son, somewhere west of New Orleans. I learned this from a black professor at a college in Kentucky. there were many black owners of black slaves. One interesting fact is Robert E. Lee did not have any slaves while Ulysses S. Grant had black servants, naturally not called slaves. The northern manufacturers needed southern goods and could not allow the Confederacy to be a separate country.

i see the present situation in the US, politically, as an ongoing war, not physically, politically, between American Constitutionalists and socialists. Of course, each side having their various allies. Socialism has been creeping into the American political fabric since the Jekyll Island meeting of 1912. Since then they have been bringing their socialism into American federal government incrementally, doing it incrementally to not alarm the American people as a whole and American Constitutionalists in particular. NAFTA is nothing but the North American version of the EU. To Americans Europe extends from the Ural Mountains west to the Atlantic but to Europeans, Europe extends from the Urals west to the Pacific which includes North America. The socialism which has been incrementally brought into America from 1912-2008 is the American form of European socialism but since January 20, 2009 socialism has taken a huge leap under the auspices of the presidency of Barack who is only frontman for the American and European socialists who are actually the power behind the throne. We are now deeper in the war between American Constitutionalism and European socialism than we hae been to this point. There is a coalition or actually coalitions, so in actuality it is American Constitutionalism/States Rights' versus Socialism/Federalism. Socialism can not operate in the scope of American Constitutionalism. they are incompatible. there is a whole lot more involved but basically that is the outline of what is happening in 2013 America.

i see the present situation in the US, politically, as an ongoing war, not physically, politically, between American Constitutionalists and socialists. Of course, each side having their various allies. Socialism has been creeping into the American political fabric since the Jekyll Island meeting of 1912. Since then they have been bringing their socialism into American federal government incrementally, doing it incrementally to not alarm the American people as a whole and American Constitutionalists in particular. NAFTA is nothing but the North American version of the EU. To Americans Europe extends from the Ural Mountains west to the Atlantic but to Europeans, Europe extends from the Urals west to the Pacific which includes North America. The socialism which has been incrementally brought into America from 1912-2008 is the American form of European socialism but since January 20, 2009 socialism has taken a huge leap under the auspices of the presidency of Barack who is only frontman for the American and European socialists who are actually the power behind the throne. We are now deeper in the war between American Constitutionalism and European socialism than we hae been to this point. There is a coalition or actually coalitions, so in actuality it is American Constitutionalism/States Rights' versus Socialism/Federalism. Socialism can not operate in the scope of American Constitutionalism. they are incompatible. there is a whole lot more involved but basically that is the outline of what is happening in 2013 America.

Accurate observation. Unfortunately, it has been going on for a lot longer than that. Lincoln and Karl Marx used to communicate with each other. And around 1856, the plans for a North American Union were drawn up. If you have some time, do some research on "The Knights of the Golden Circle". It was part of the democrat party platform in the 1856 elections. The plan was to enslave us ALL; white, black, red, yellow, brown.

In addition, the Illuminati had approached President Washington. And had given him an honorary title. Jefferson,(or Hamilton), warned Washington to stay away from them. Because if We The People had found out, there would have been another Revolution).

There's much more that has transpired, but time forbids going into it fully.

"The project to disarm all the uncivilized Indians is frequently advocated and it seems at first very plausible. But practically all efforts to accomplish this have heretofore proved fruitless. The Indians find ready means of secreting a large portion of their arms and ammunition, and equally ready means for supplying deficiencies by purchase from traders. Besides the free American citizens who roam at will over the plains, and whose right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, have no very tender regard for the lives of the Indians, and are not liable to arrest or punishment for any act of war they may commit against them, while the Indian who shoots a white man is liable to be shot in turn by the first soldiers who overtake him. There is an element of fair play involved in this question which cannot be entirely overlooked. Indians who are left comparatively free upon a large reservation, with a view to their civilization and education in the habits of civilized life, must, like other people, be left the means of self-defense against lawless attack. If they are to be disarmed they must be made prisoners and kept under guard, as well for their protection as for their control."

- J.M. Schofield, Major-General, Commanding, Report of the Secratary of War,[INDEX TO EXECUTIVE DOCUMENTS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE FIRST SESSION OF THE FORTY-NINTH CONGRESS, 1885-'86 IN THIRTY-SEVEN VOLUMES. WASHINGTON: GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE. 1886. Pg. 132](John McAllister Schofield,(Sept. 29, 1831  March 4, 1906), was an American soldier who held major commands during the American Civil War. He later served as U.S. Secretary of War, and Commanding General of the United States Army. After the war, Schofield was sent on a special diplomatic mission to France, on account of the presence of French troops in Mexico. During Reconstruction, Schofield was appointed by President Andrew Johnson to serve as military governor of Virginia.

Reading Karl Marx with Abraham LincolnUtopian socialists, German communists, and other republicans

By JOHN NICHOLS

John Nichols is a writer for the Nation, and he also contributes to the Progressive and In These Times. He is the author of The Genius of Impeachment (The New Press), a critically acclaimed analysis of the Florida recount fight of 2000, Jews for Buchanan (The New Press), and a best-selling biography of Vice President Dick Cheney, Dick: The Man Who is President (The New Press).This article is a chapter in his new book The S Word: A Short History of an American Tradition Socialism, published by Verso Books this year. It is republished with permission.

These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837

Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincolns assistant secretary of war, 1848

The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.Karl Marx and the First International Workingmens Association to Lincoln, 1864

ON DECEMBER 3, 1861, a former one-term congressman, who had spent most of the past dozen years studying dissident economic theories, mounting challenges to the existing political order and proposing ever more radical responses to the American crisis, delivered his first State of the Union address as the sixteenth president of the United States....http://www.isreview.org/issues/79/feature-mar...

[Pg. 218]"...In the very organization of our republic, the militia seems to have been a component part of the system, and one, without which the other parts could not long hold together. A people who would be self-governed must be self-defended. The armed yeomanry of the republic are those into whose hands the protection and defence of the people's rights can be most safely intrusted, as they are indeed the people themselves, whose liberties are to be protected. But it is not only necessary that our citizen soldiers should be armed, but in some degree disciplined, for an armed multitude without discipline, must always be more terrible to itself than to its enemies...."[Pg. 219]"...Should an objection be raised, that by curtailing the number of the militia in the way proposed, would be an infringement of the constitution, which declares that "the freemen of this commonwealth shall be armed and disciplined for its defence," and should this be so construed as to require that every militia man should be armed and disciplined, your committee would reply, that this provision has never been complied with in that sense; for by every law that has been passed for the regulation of the militia, certain classes of our citizens have been exempted in addition to those exempted by acts of congress, and in some other states this exemption is carried to a much greater extent, so as to embrace fire companies and those engaged in iron and manufactories; nor would this system deprive any citizen of the right to bear arms."

-[REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE MILITIA SYSTEM, April, 1832. HAZARD'S REGISTER OF PENNSYLVANIA DEVOTED TO THE PRESERVATION OF FACTS AND DOCUMENTS, AND EVERY OTHER KIND OF USEFUL INFORMATION RESPECTING THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA. EDITED BY SAMUEL HAZARD. VOL. IX.--JANUARY TO JULY, 1832. PHILADELPHIA. WM. F. GEDDES, PRINTER, 9 LIBRARY ST.]

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