The integrity and “essential honesty” of Manmohan Singh have been cited as major contributing factors for the Congress triumph in the 2009 election results. Be that as it may, how “strong” is “weak” Mr Singh going to be in standing up to the corrupt, inefficient and incompetent in forming his ministry now that he has a firm voice and vote?

The reporters and editors of the Indian Express, Delhi, have come up with a “Minister Meter” to gauge the performance of members of Team Manmohan in his first stint, and it makes for mighty revealing reading, subjective as it may be.

On a scale of ten, nine ministers negative marks. One worthie gets a round figure of zero.

The inclusion of many of them was seen to be an indication of the tugs and pulls of coalition politics. But now that the Congress win has been read as a “mandate for change”, etc, will Manmohan have the freedom to include men and women of professional competence, not just political clout?

Hey guys, it’s me, your friendly neighborhood SVA. Read the following carefully for I will say it only once:

1. Your leaders are all taking you for a ride in the name of democracy. Even the ones you trust.

Solution – before electing anyone, do your own investigation and understand that the media is owned. Rely more on independent sources. Understand why the famous revolutions of the world took place. Do that and share it with others here instead of complaining / lamenting / criticizing / crying. Think. And when you think you have thought enough, think some more.

2. Be selfish to know the truth.

I’ll write some more later. Right now my head is heavy and I need to rest. Just remember that everyone listed above is your servant and mine. A Government Servant is a public servant and They are in “power’ because you chaps put them there.

Think with a fresh mind on why things happen the way they are. Look for patterns in history. You will thank me for it or you will hate me.

“Just remember that everyone listed above is your servant and mine. A Government Servant is a public servant and They are in “power’ because you chaps put them there.”

This is the most important point we citizens need to understand.
The revolutions in other places will hopefully wake the citizenry.
As some have been gloating, this election might indeed be the “game changer” for our country. When things go to hell, people might just be forced to wake up and take action. Hopefully then, all the crap of secularism, hindutva,minority etc might be flushed out.

Let me tell you a short story. Last evening I was in an auto somewhere between JC Road and Kasturba Rd. As usual it was the pits. Traffic totally out of control, Vehicles throwing up poisonous pollutants, some woman with a baby begging and a dozen other anamolies that you have all accepted as norms for decades.

And I realized ( just as I had a dozen years ago when I was here last ) how idiotic you all are for allowing this to continue. You have elected criminals and frauds to govern you for decades. Your ‘heroes’ in government have a firmly entrenched base from where they cannot be budged. Politics has been taken to a perverse art form by these thugs thanks to you. And you console yourself by writing comments here about the system thinking that you have done your best for the day. You are ‘aware’ of the twisted life in India that you all lead, but prefer to ignore. Where has that got you? And where has that gotten your “leaders?” Think!

Things have gotten so far out of hand that now, nothing less than a revolution will bring about change because you have lowered your standards to such depths and still you allow it to continue. Nothing less than that will bring back sanity to civil life.

The rare times I watch the TV, I see screaming, hyper anchors on TV just trying to sound good and shouting matches between politicans, ministers and the rest of the gang. What a frikkin joke! I cringe. And the worst part is you all watch this hour after hour glued to your TV sets!

Why don’t you get your glutes of the seat, your eyes of that depressing soap opera that brainwashes you into watching more garbage, your ear off that cell-phone and research what’s really been happening in India and around the world? If not for anything, to make you realize that crimes of inhuman proportions continue to happen all around you thanks to you.

Back in JC road, with all that chaos and inhumanity happening around me, for some reason, I played in my mind, the national anthem composed by Rabindranath Tagore rendered by the London Symphony Orchestra. I nearly wept in that auto as I played it again and again. The best sounding, most rousing national anthem among all nations on this planet, an ironic representation of a country ravaged by civil atrocities and organized government crime.

It gives me hope, that national anthem. Hope that one day there will be a people’s revolution and humanity will be restored at a great cost. For most nations around the world, there is no other way. In India, it is all the more possible.

I leave you to ponder upon the past, present and future that you have brought upon yourself. Don’t hate me for what I have said or defend yourselves in your comments. If it angers you, do something similar to, or greater than what I am already working on to wake people up.

You lead comrade vibhudi and we will follow. Would be nice if you could tell us more about the work you are doing to wake up people. I hope it is not just writing comments here like the rest of us. Sorry, couldnt resist the cheap shots. BTW I guess all of us commentors feel your pain. Maybe a little optimistic outlook will also help. Not that I know anything – just sayin’.

agree to ur point that revolution is needed. I did point it out sometime ago. However, what according to you will be the unifying factor in our revolution.

In all the world revolutions till date, the theme has pretty much been”FREEDOM” against tyranny, dictatorship or monarchy. But this is not the case with us.

In India, just as there are millions who want change as they are suffering, there are millions who don’t want change because the are benefitting, be it financially or in some other form.

What will the theme of our revolution? Religion? Caste? Development in general? FREEDOM(from crappy politics, from religion and castist distinction? from the good old used and beaten up teme of POVERTY?) In any of the afore mentioned cases there are people who are for it and against it.

e. g. try mentioning here on churumuri itself, that there should be no reservations on basis of caste/community except may be monetary aid schemes for the genuinely poor . And you will find quite a lot of people against it!

MY reasoning to wanting reservations so desperately is that it has been beaten into out heads and into our thinking that the ex- lower castes (I say ex, cos I dont practice the caste system like many others dont, and as far as my knowledge serves me, the constitution did implement laws against the caste system) need reservations even though today it is not genuinely needed. but my reasoning apart, the fact remains a lot of people think we do.

Think about NRIs who return after a long while like Bhamy Shenoy. Maybe they haven’t been here, but they are trying to make a difference by participating in politics. One should accept their point of view too cos they have a third person’s perspective/outsider’s view on things. This might be a good thing as it may allow one to comprehend the outer boundaries better than a pure internal perspective. But when they do try to do something they are branded traitors and deserters.

So I come back to my question to SVA? What will be the theme of our revolution? How will we achieve a unifying revolution when we are unwilling to accept new ideas?(Accepting new ideas is a long shot, i would give anything to see people in India trying to at least consider the pros and cons of a new/different political idea)

Revolution? What is that? I don’t know why they call it the American Revolution but it’s in very rotten company. The French, the Soviet, the Chinese, the Nepalese (???!!) etc…all saw brutal dictatorships “after” their revolutions. Given knowledge of their histories, I’m not too sure if our masses, hungry or otherwise, would go in for one of their own.

To Prajwal – How does one “practice” caste system? And, how does one not?

For about 8 months now, I have been increasingly disturbed by world events – all of which repeat in a familiar cyclical pattern. That led me to think as an individual and probe the causes for the decline of our civilization.

The internet has been an exhaustive resource for all my questions on religion, politics, secret government, wars…everything that goes against our fundamental rights as human beings.

I no longer fully trust media coverage on current events, be it TV, Newspapers or Radio. I don’t even watch / listen / read them like I used to.

The good news is there is a growing number of good people who realize what’s wrong and are doing something about it. In the US, some examples are Congressmen Ron Paul and Tim Ryan who are aware of the dangers of government and federal reserve incompetency and are pushing aggressively to have the Fed audited (Bill# HR1207). The bill is being backed by other congressmen from both parties. There are the hundreds of independent thinkers and doers on youtube who are giving us access to footage that we’d never get to see on TV.

The tea parties that are happening in the US are a revelation. The protests that took place in London during the G-20 summit was an indication that people are stirring, slowly but surely.

As I continue my research with the objective of sharing my findings to anyone and everyone who cares, seeking nothing in return, I ask you all to question yourselves. Question some of the things that happen around you:

1. Why is the legal age of consent fixed at 12 in the Vatican?
2. Why was OM Mathai’s book on the Nehru Dynasty banned in 1981?
3. Who audits the central bank?
4. Why are the audit reports of government agencies and offices not available to the public?
5. What government projects does your money goes into?
6.Why are politicians and minsters of state heading sports bodies?
7.What is fiat currency backed by?
8. Why are there no power cuts a week before elections?
9. What and why is there a marriage between religious leaders and the government?
10.Why did it take 3 hrs for a journey from Bangalore to Mysore in 1976 and why does it still take 3 hrs in 2009?
11.Why is the government ignoring a flawed system of election where upto 50% of the population is unqualified to vote?
12. Why cant you get answers to the above questions?

There are plenty more from where those came from. The 12 that I mentioned are the scratch of a scratch on the surface, but these should be enough to get you started on a shocking voyage of discovery, and to see if you can still live with yourselves.

Somebody mentioned Bhamy Shenoy and what he is doing. I don’t know what he has done so far, but why pin all your hopes on 1 or 2 individuals? What an impossible and foolish thought? 2 against a parasitic government of 2 lakh? When will that 2 become a 4 and at least a 100? What are YOU doing?

You know, I too was an optimist. About midway though my research, I realized that being a realist is more practical. I have learned to look out for myself in view of what is likely to happen. It feels good to be prepared. Already I have changed my career path to get into a profession that will take me right into the lair of lies. Lies that govern us in the name of democracy. Seriously, how can you even trust the government? Can’t you see who’s being sworn in?

Stop being delusional about the future. Stop looking for leaders who will make everything alright once again. There never was a ‘once again’ that you and I were part of. Stop living in denial and look for yourself.

Revolution is still too far away because you are all looking for that one revolutionary leader who will show us the way. Nonsense. First lead yourselves.

Summane ketta kuthuhala, but do you guys have normal relationships with members of the opposite sex? I mean sexual relations of course. I read somewhere too many horny men and too few women or no normal interactions between men and women is a good recipe for fundamentalists, terrorists and revolutionaries. See our own homegrown Ram Sene for example…

I wasn’t talking of leadership like Mao or Genghis Khan or Advani, who know how to think for themselves. Their great sex lives may be enhancing what they do.

I was talking of the brainwashed foot soldiers and canon fodder who do the real street fighting and take and give the hits. If the Ram Sene boys who belted the women had normal relations with women, they would be doing something constructive instead of belting women who make them feel nervous when they meet them one on one.

I was taking the example of Ram Sene since it is something which happened close to us and we can identify with it. It could of course be lonely men signing up to be taliban fodder being easily brainwashed by maulvis who give them food and tell them women ought to be kept under burkhas. Or anyone else setting out to kill and die for a cause without actually thinking about it for themselves.

I dont know anything about Sir Vibhudhi or Prajwal personally, was just wondering if they would be willing to answer my question dispassionately to apply out own unscientific test on this theory.

BTW this is not my theory but one put forward by two researchers in Massachusetts and is available as a book from MIT press, if you are interested. It is backed by some anthropological (and other) models, as these papers tend to have. Of course it is up to you to draw your own conclusions based on your own brain:
“Bare Branches
The Security Implications of Asia’s Surplus Male Population
Valerie M. Hudson and Andrea M. Den Boer
”http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=10694

Taking the example of Ram Sene, someone like you would be the Mao or Genghis Khan while the guys who went into the bars and did the real belting would be the lonely boys doing the actual violence. There will always be Maos who have normal lives but great minds, but will they be able to raise cannon fodder for their twisted thoughts – that probably depends on the factors like the availability of jobless and horny men.

AG – What shall I say? There seems to be no beginning and no end to your this post. Let me pick up bits and pieces then.

Firstly I don’t buy the theory that lonely men are prone to violence against women and so attack girls. So obviously silly. The world is full of men who have easy access to women and yet will go out and attack them.

I know this theory. The “have plenty of sex theory and thou shalt not beat up women” theory ;)) that easy huh?

Fyi..if you can call a life like Mao’s normal and his mind great…and the cannons (not fodder)he raised sex starved…c’mon AG, you can do much better than that :)

Yet again. Rama Sene folks are dead donkeys. But then if you insist…do me a study and tell me if one gang bang was satisfying for them to “get over”? How come we never hear of these guys beatin n molestin…anymore?

The last 3-4 comments is the reason why a few of us like me have vision while the rest of you wear bifocals.

First there was a u-turn by AG following my marathon word-spill to expose your one-dimensional, routine way of thinking. Then the rest took the bait and there you have it: Completely missing the big picture!

Alright, for sake of argument, let’s say there is truth in the MIT paper…So? The dangers of gender inequality are known to all forward thinkers and those who possess common sense. It also points out to serious flaws in the way you govern yourself and are governed by those chosen by you.

Stop nit-picking on micro-aspects of a disordered community. Re-wire your thinking and question to the maximum, the false hopes of organized religion – the single biggest man-made cause of destruction around the world.

Investigate the powers behind the government that you do not get to see and read in your favorite newsrags and channels. Question, question and then some.

Or

Continue to wallow in your own cleverness, argue, counter-argue without purpose and squirm in the delusion of hope, that all will be well for you and your children.

You all make great debating points. After wading through your arguments/counter-arguments, here is a list of what I think ails India:

1. Indian males are repressed. That is because we don’t have a general outlet to the ‘physical’ in a natural way. I am not talking about ‘Lady Palm and her five daughters’ here…In fact Pramod Muthalik looks like a brothel keeper to me but that is my personal opinion. In fact I welcome dance bars where women serve liquor and we need bouncers to ensure a minimum level of decency. Sure whatever happens outside the bar, is no concern of ours. Of course the police can always ensure (I am dreaming here) that dancing girls are protected and they be given suitable licenses as entertainers.

2. Ram Sene types by attacking women are making the bars even more seductively attractive; ditto with relationships with non-Hindu men. So everybody should wise up and let everyone to be normal adults. Trust your children with alcohol. Remove the taboo factor around alcohol. In fact I would encourage folks to initiate kids of the right age into ‘drinking right’. Some level of perspective is easily achieved with drink and it makes for a much healthier society. It will certainly improve some relationships–all kinds.

3. I fault Yeddi’d policy on banning cheap liquor to men folk hypocritical because the same retard did not make beers and other spirits outrageously expensive. Who the ***k is Yeddi to dictate what the regular Joe should drink? Sure all the Gandhivadi’s will jump on me saying look it is the women folk who need this protection. IMHO that is nonsense. I implore governments to trust people and provide them with safe but affordable drinking in the form of arrack and huli henda. That is our culture–and not to be seen drinking in a bar or a high-class restaurant. Sure pubs have their uses but think of the man on the street. He too needs his place drinking with ‘mawmsada vade’ and regular vade with arrack and henfa.

Don’t the poor deserve to get merry and high once in a while or on a daily basis? Strengthen our Social Workers and get them to counsel erring drunks to do better in life. Open alcoholic rehabilitation centers. After a hard days work (particularly physical labor) who the ***k is Yeddi to deny them a drink? That retard is allowing illicit liquor makers to flourish with his foolish policies! So you can clearly see the double standards at work here. Also Yeddi himself is no paragon of virtue: he is carrying on as can be described in a colorful old-Mysore truism, “Gulige Siddha volloll-ge *aidha anthe!” Translated to English, it reads, “Medicine man quietly enjoyed his trysts with the opposite sex.”

When it comes to henda and hennu, many of us Indian men seem to turn into instant hypocrites. Namige sikudhre jamaisu, berevaru maadudhre mahapaapa.

You know your point 3. seems very sensible. If you want to be a Gandhi (or whoever), please do and if you want to spread his message knock yourself out, but why force others by using power. Banning things left and right, forcing crap down others throats – such things used to work in the past when majority were dumb, now it will only backfire in your backside.

The old-Mysore truism is brilliant. It sums up all the BS the rest of us posted (besides SVA’s revolutionary main points – which now seem besides the point). Please – more gaadhes.

And where are Dr. Ramesh etc. with their kannada witticisms and translations?

SVA,

By now you must know we are like that only. Neeve yenaaru maad thorsi, naavu hindhe nithkond chapaale thatthivi. For now, life is good, all is well.

DB and the others, all your points make sense. The solutions you suggest are worthy of serious consideration. But guys, there is nothing new in any of this.

You have been beating this dead horse / donkey/ romulan for ages! This small aspect of societal dysfunction continues to be talked about in blogs, newspapers, forums but I wonder about its efficiency. Other than filling space between like-minded individuals, this exercise does little to wake up those that need to be convinced.

Do yourselves and your friends a favor. Devote a part of your chat time with friends towards all the questions I have outlined in my previous lengthy comment. This way, you will be influencing others to think about the really serious issues and not just one or two.

Think big, please. Muthalik is a pawn of a much bigger political criminal mastermind(s). A microcosm in the landscape designed to be a distraction while something else more dangerous was going on unknown to you. Why are you stubbornly debating about that insect? Focus your thoughts on the center, investigate what has been happening there, continues to happen, and then study the crisis’ in the state governments.

Swallow the red pill, fellows. Stop prattling like helpless aged folk in a park and do it.

I was a no-brainer! I wasn’t ignoring your questions because I know the answers to most or all of them: see within “//” marks.

1. Why is the legal age of consent fixed at 12 in the Vatican? //I couldn’t care a rat’s ass about that.//
2. Why was OM Mathai’s book on the Nehru Dynasty banned in 1981? //The wily Malayalee mixed both facts and fiction that was very close to the ugliness of Indira Gandhi and Nehru’s regimes.//
3. Who audits the central bank? //I don’t know and I don’t care. It is the same guys who audit US Govt’s treasury?//
4. Why are the audit reports of government agencies and offices not available to the public? //That’s the way it is–the system is fixed//
5. What government projects does your money goes into? //This is available in all budget allocation data. Just look for it.//
6.Why are politicians and minsters of state heading sports bodies? //They shouldn’t be but that is how it is in India. What do you propose?//
7.What is fiat currency backed by? //Nothing! Realistically USD…system works on faith.//
8. Why are there no power cuts a week before elections? //It is not an absolute fact–there have been power cuts during elections. Nothing mysterious or sinister about this..//
9. What and why is there a marriage between religious leaders and the government? //Government is headed by people who have certain religious afflictions. Spiritual Gurus offer ‘nirvana’ to politicians and it is a win-win situation. But why are you mystified? Nehru rogered Sahdvi SHraddha Mata and promptly begot a son. Well chronicled by OM Mathai…//
10.Why did it take 3 hrs for a journey from Bangalore to Mysore in 1976 and why does it still take 3 hrs in 2009? //Nope. not true. Now it takes two hours by road. Politicians like Dirty think NICE is a waste of time:)//
11.Why is the government ignoring a flawed system of election where upto 50% of the population is unqualified to vote? //This means they are half right! Because they are too clever by half?//
12. Why cant you get answers to the above questions? //You just got the answers!//

Indian males are repressed – And naturally women too I suppose. But would you support an early age of consent? Let’s say 15 years? To my mind this will also avoid unsafe sex and keep folks healthy otherwise too.

Alcohol and “men of other religions” – Would you agree to stringent alcohol abuse laws? Let’s say capital punishment for death due to drunken driving and X number of years in jail for caught driving drunk? As for the “other religion” bit, would you ban conversion post marriage or conversion in lieu of marriage?

Henda etc – I can agree with you here. In fact, I am not opposed to women drinking too. But the fact is that there are rural women that do to men what Muthalik’s boys did to those girls. How do you reconcile this?

Indian males are repressed – And naturally women too I suppose. But would you support an early age of consent? Let’s say 15 years? To my mind this will also avoid unsafe sex and keep folks healthy otherwise too. //Certainly!//

Alcohol and “men of other religions” – Would you agree to stringent alcohol abuse laws? Let’s say capital punishment for death due to drunken driving and X number of years in jail for caught driving drunk? As for the “other religion” bit, would you ban conversion post marriage or conversion in lieu of marriage? //Again, you don’t seem to get my point: don’t vilify alcohol. If something is available at an affordable price, people will behave responsibly. We don’t need too many laws! Drunken driving is a police matter. Of course we should have vigorous policing of drunken drivers and unrul behavior. We should let the society address these issues. Not through too many ineffective laws. Strengthen the barmen to say “Look you have had one too many. If I serve you more, I will have to notify police and verify your ID.” You get the picture: serve alcohol only after verifying their IDs. I am assuming that all drinking men and women would be willing to disclose their IDs. About the poor Joe’s on the street. Same vigilance and the police need to monitor public unruliness. Also, if drunk driving results in deaths and mayhem—sure probably a life imprisonment or ten years plus are welcome. Again, if have followed by logic everybody is accountable–that is to behave responsibly!

On the other tricky bit: I would do neither. If blandishments of religion or money can get you some pussy, one can value that pussy just as that! Also, why would anyone want to interfere with consenting adults? It’s unnatural. Sure there have been a lot of covert conversions going on in the country. My point is give our youngsters hope to live and die as Hindus. Let me them enjoy life and drink responsibly! Also encourage people wanting to become Hindus! Conversion need not be a one-way street? Should it be?//

Henda etc – I can agree with you here. In fact, I am not opposed to women drinking too. But the fact is that there are rural women that do to men what Muthalik’s boys did to those girls. How do you reconcile this? //Lots of unnatural things happen in rural communities such as ‘sheep worrying’ :) Look it up on the Net. Also, more power to rural women if they did that to their men! It makes perfect sense–if you a rural hero cannot be responsible, then your women will do it for you! QED//