If the boys left Natalee off at the hotel - and saw her as another of those kids who come from the US and party - and they thought she just ran off or something, they would be upset if they believed she was just hiding or running off or something and leaving them to take the heat.

I think the parents are being very open - maybe they shouldn't be and maybe they will be misunderstood - but they are really something to open up like that - esp being part of a culture that does not live by reality tv, etc.

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started? I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?

I never said I started anything! RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve. Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.

Sweatpea, you were the one who said you were and I quote "a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum" so I unfortunately naturally assumed by "major player" you helped start it. If it was the very first, what's the name of it? I'm curious since I have been around on the Internet since the age of 9600 baud creep and crawl bulletinboards - there ain't a whole lot I haven't seen.

You offered that information, I didn't ask for it. You've also offered up you write (or did) and I follow true crime and read a lot - I'd like to know if I've read your stuff, that's all. If you don't want anyone to ask questions, don't offer up such easy targets to ask about.

I'm not solving any case (nor do I exect to), I'm merely discussing the possibilities. None of us here will do that, you see, because we don't have enough information or fact.

Also heard that the prison is definitely NOT like the one in Midnight Express.

Got a source for that?

Just on Fox. Human Rights guy interviewed by O on the Factor. The guy said also the new prison? almost finished where they will be transferred and it is better, nicer than any in the U.S.

So they have two prisons?

Hmm...thanks!

I'm trying to find online transcript for you, and watch Greta same time.Human rights guy said new prison almost completed; they will be transfered there, but old one is no way like midnight express. My mouth fell open.

Does it have air? lol Just trying to at least envision that it must better hotter than hades in that prison with no air. Not that they deserve air but sheesh..it's hot there isn't it?

You're not going to like this.....right after I picked my bottom jaw up off the floor and smacked my fiance for giggling that the info I had just given him regarding the place being like Midnight Express.......then the guy says the prisons are modeled after Netherlands?something....even get tea breaks. I couldn't hear all of this because my fiance then fell on the floor laughing hysterically.....rrrrrr

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started? I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?

I never said I started anything! RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve. Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.

You can't misqoute Nancy, she was a major player. I know of a forum like that, it dried up because the leaders were dictators and ran off their hundreds of users.

Are you so thin skinned that if anyone questions you, you can't handle it? I have NO idea what forum you're talking about. I'm heading back to the case...I suggest you do the same!

No I think my skin has stood the test of how thick it is. What was the name of that forum you were a major player in? I put my work right in my sig line. I am not hiding behind a fictional character on the internet.

I just got in and am trying to catch up on the posts. Watching Greta. This is breaking my heart. As a parent I have compassion for all the parents involved. Just like Natalee could be anyones daughter, those boys/men could be anyones son. Jorans mother is very compelling. JMHO

IS HIS MOM HIGH? He doesn't drink? I got pictures of that. She is in a bit of denial maybe not about murder but who her son is.

I think that his mom was answering the "does he do drugs" question, and she started answering and either ignored or didn't hear the "does he drink" part. Mrs. VDS said that he told her he would not smoke or do drugs because he was into sports. I don't think she was saying no to alcohol - she either didn't hear, or it was a side-step.

Riiight...where's that Internet crime forum you started? I'd like to see it...it's kinda, shall we say, a career fixation of mine?

I never said I started anything! RB, run off now, you've got a case to solve. Stop sleuthin' around my life..it is not and never will be your business.

Sweatpea, you were the one who said you were and I quote "a major player in probably the very first Internet crime forum" so I unfortunately naturally assumed by "major player" you helped start it. If it was the very first, what's the name of it? I'm curious since I have been around on the Internet since the age of 9600 baud creep and crawl bulletinboards - there ain't a whole lot I haven't seen.

You offered that information, I didn't ask for it. You've also offered up you write (or did) and I follow true crime and read a lot - I'd like to know if I've read your stuff, that's all. If you don't want anyone to ask questions, don't offer up such easy targets to ask about.

I'm not solving any case (nor do I exect to), I'm merely discussing the possibilities. None of us here will do that, you see, because we don't have enough information or fact. :)

I never offered up ANYTHING. Carry on now RB...you're missing this great interview on Greta....Great stuff.

I agree. Thank you. Also regarding interrogation...She also said the interrogation is very strenuous and threatening 10-11 hours. THey call him psychopath, murderer, where did you hide the body, we could beat you up and say it is accident. Interrogated without attorney.