Great idea! The more pledged, the better the band. For 10,000, high school stage band. 40k, average union pros. 100k, blue man group on a night off. 1.2 mil, I won't bring forth the weedian riffian Nazareth-a.

lemur68 wrote:Countless threads about how it's more noble to play for free, and when it's an artist outside of the PRF canon, suddenly it's a problem.

I smell a strawman!

Dude, if Tar ran a $1.2 million Kickstarter and then asked a bunch of people to just show up and be semi-professional and accompany them orchestra-style, i'm pretty sure most people here would cock their eyes and be all "WTF?"

So this is about her having the money but choosing to pay musicians in beer & merch, and not so much about musicians being willing to play a gig for little or no compensation. Yeah, I get that. This is the pkids-list era Joe Lemur who blurts things out without thinking it all the way through first, talking.

So I guess if she didn't have a million bucks it wouldn't be so much of a problem, correct?

Though I bet if FNM asked you to sit behind Puffy's kit for a few numbers for just a backstage pass, you'd be on that in a hot second

big_dave wrote:This is just about finding a dorky selfie on his blogspot?

lemur68 wrote:Countless threads about how it's more noble to play for free, and when it's an artist outside of the PRF canon, suddenly it's a problem.

I smell a strawman!

Dude, if Tar ran a $1.2 million Kickstarter and then asked a bunch of people to just show up and be semi-professional and accompany them orchestra-style, i'm pretty sure most people here would cock their eyes and be all "WTF?"

So this is about her having the money but choosing to pay musicians in beer & merch, and not so much about musicians being willing to play a gig for little or no compensation. Yeah, I get that. This is the pkids-list era Joe Lemur who blurts things out without thinking it all the way through first, talking.

So I guess if she didn't have a million bucks it wouldn't be so much of a problem, correct?

Though I bet if FNM asked you to sit behind Puffy's kit for a few numbers for just a backstage pass, you'd be on that in a hot second

Hell yes i would be!

Mostly it's just tacky. She asked for $100,000, got over a million, and then made such a big deal about what she's putting into the packaging, tour, and promotion that she can't even toss a few bones to her fans/hired help. It's kinda ironic that she's actually been semi-transparent about this and well-intentioned but boneheaded choices like this are biting her in the ass as a result.

But yeah, shit, i'm not one of her devoted acolytes, so maybe to them it's a once in a lifetime thrill that they'll tell their grandkids about. Different strokes.

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Stinky Pete wrote:BDSM is a bit like Queens of the Stone Age in that it's basically fine to be into, but a bit worrying if you're obsessed with it.

Wow. I'd never heard of her until I was listening to a thing about her Kickstarter campaign on the radio. I finally went and watched a video. Not my thing at ALL. She can do whatever she likes, I'm not going to pay attention.

I have no fundamental problem with either asking your fans to pay you to make your record or go on tour or play for free in your band or gather at a mud pit downstate and sell meth and blowjobs to each other. I wouldn't stoop to doing any of them myself, but horses for courses. The reason I don't appeal to other people in this manner is that all those things can easily pay for themselves, and I value self-sufficiency and independence, even (or especially) from an audience.

If your position is that you aren't able to figure out how to do that, that you are forced by your ignorance into pleading for donations and charity work, you are then publicly admitting you are an idiot, and demonstrably not as good at your profession as Jandek, Moondog, GG Allin, every band ever to go on tour without a slush fund or the kids who play on buckets downtown.

Pretty much everybody on earth has a threshold for how much to indulge an idiot who doesn't know how to conduct herself, and I think Ms Palmer has found her audience's threshold.

steve wrote:If your position is that you aren't able to figure out how to do that, that you are forced by your ignorance into pleading for donations and charity work, you are then publicly admitting you are an idiot, and demonstrably not as good at your profession as Jandek, Moondog, GG Allin, every band ever to go on tour without a slush fund or the kids who play on buckets downtown.