From the linked article:"Snow was worried enough to bang on Jimmy Null's door in the middle of the night.Null grabbed his 12 gauge shotgun when he saw a man with a gun in his underwear.'I guess just in the hype of everything taking place, when the guy reached for his own gun, the homeowner at that time fired a shot trying to protect himself and his family,' said (Tulsa County Sheriff's Dept. Major Shannon)Clark."

In Oklahoma, if a guy shows up at your door in underwear and with a gun, your first thought is "meth!"

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:"It's still a little unclear to us, but he said that during the chase, he came into contact with another group of people who began to give chase to him," Clark said. "During this time he ran to a nearby home asking for help."

Clark said that homeowner, Jimmy Null, saw Snow, clad only in his underwear and armed with a handgun, at his door. Null grabbed a shotgun and "told (Snow) multiple times, "Don't reach for your gun! Don't reach for your gun!" Clark said.

Snow had placed the gun on the ground as he knocked on the door, Clark said. "I guess in the excitement of the moment, (Snow) goes to reach for the gun, so (Null) fired one shot and struck him."

Headso:Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.

Middle of the night and there's a guy in his underwear pounding on your door and yelling, while holding a gun?

Even in an open carry state that's going to get you shot/arrested. . .and at the hospital/jail they'll sort it out.

Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences? If people (including Law Enforcement) think you're up to no good, they'll treat you like you're up to no good. "Carry" doesn't mean brandishing, pointing at people, waving it around as a prop for an anti-government protest or otherwise getting all derpy. "Open Carry" means you've got it in a holster at your side or otherwise stored but in plain sight, but you don't have it out and aren't about to use it. Pull it out and you better be 100% sure you're doing the right thing.

Girion47:cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?

Ask the guy who got shot.

Between this thread and the thread yesterday about the Teabagger who stood on an overpass with anti-Obama signs while carrying a gun and went full Potato when arrested for it, it seems a lot of Farkers don't seem to understand the idea that "open carry" does NOT mean you can run around with a gun in your hands and nobody will say or do anything about it.

Silverstaff:Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?

Ask the guy who got shot.

Between this thread and the thread yesterday about the Teabagger who stood on an overpass with anti-Obama signs while carrying a gun and went full Potato when arrested for it, it seems a lot of Farkers don't seem to understand the idea that "open carry" does NOT mean you can run around with a gun in your hands and nobody will say or do anything about it.

A lot of people (farkers included?) don't seem to know much of anything about gun laws in general.

Can't comment on the article myself because I can't figure out what actually happened. Glad everyone is okay though.

capt.hollister:Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

Stop being an idiot. You go pound on a neighbor's door in the middle of the night screaming like a lunatic in your chonies, and ignoring the perturbed guy with the shotgun's repeated warnings to not pick your gun back up. See how that works out for you.

The guy who got shot was the criminally stupid one, not the shooter. He's lucky it was a grazing shot and not meant to kill, at point-blank he should be dead.

ubermensch:I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!

Well, I've always limited my remarks to that gun owners, specifically CCW holders, have a much better rates for not hitting innocents, to the point that I've never heard of a news story where one hit an innocent.

Well, I guess I can't say that anymore, though this story is still a bit unsettled, as the story itself goes to pains to mention. Given that Jimmy Null grabbed a shotgun as opposed to a handgun, he might not be a CCW type himself.

Headso:Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.

Open carry isn't brandishing, and brandishing isn't open carry. It's still illegal to brandish a firearm because it puts others in fear of your weapon. If I somehow end up in the position of having to bang on a neighbor's door at night in my underwear while carrying a gun, I'm putting the gun down first. Well, it looks like he did per Nina_Hartley's_Ass, but like a dumbass he picked it up again.

capt.hollister:And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

1. There isn't always time to ask questions2. He assessed the situation; per reports he didn't fire until Snow picked the gun up. He was probably telling Snow NOT to pick it up.3. Agitated & armed is threatening. Especially when the firearm is in your hands.4. Context is everything. I give Null the benefit of the doubt because I figure that Snow picked the pistol up by the grip, and might of been moving like he was going to point it at Null.

Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to firearms to avoid 'brandishing' their firearms, and running around in your underwear without a holster undermines that much like how being in your underwear in public is generally seen as impolite anyways.

B.Stroganoff:So apparently it is legal in Oklahoma to shoot random people running down the street.

Not so much; further reports is that Snow was pounding on Null's door and was shot when he picked his pistol back up.

Personally, I'm not shooting somebody running down the street like that, but I'm a lot more likely to if they're pounding on my door.

Firethorn:Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to firearms to avoid 'brandishing' their firearms, and running around in your underwear without a holster undermines that much like how being in your underwear in public is generally seen as impolite anyways.