"TEAM ATS" Is in Roswell, New Mexico TODAY, 11/29/2007

Certainly a noble effort in working with Clifford Stone to uncover more documentation about Reticulan extraterrestrials

And many in ATS are very open and interested in this subject matter.

As far as it leading to Open Disclosure?

Well, Steven Greer's Disclosure Project, even with hundreds of testimonies presented to the US Congress - including Clifford Stone's testimony - was
unable to bring that about. If the government felt that the aliens were not hostile, they could have still cooperated. Perhaps they do feel that they
are hostile and that Steven Greer was right.

Since then, Steven Greer has become very New-Agey in his appraisal of extraterrestrials. Although he may not have said it directly, he seems to side
with the New Age concept that "all truth and morality are relative." This does not help his credibility but it is an easier way of viewing the
aliens who like to use many of us as laboratory animals and slaves.

Regardless, the pursuit of further illumination and the truth in general is always a worthwhile effort.

Originally posted by Paul_RichardWell, Steven Greer's Disclosure Project, even with hundreds of testimonies presented to the US
Congress - including Clifford Stone's testimony - was unable to bring that about.

Why has the Disclosure Project accomplished nothing? Why hasn't the government even talked about it?

If they aren't hiding anything, why can't they explain what all those professional former government officials saw? Why hasnt't the government
done anything regarding the Disclosure Project?

In my estimation from my own research, the government and military as a whole is not aware of what is happening.

However, there are certain facets of the military and high levels of government that are very knowledgeable of the extraterrestrial presence.

Why won't they cooperate in allowing Open Disclosure?

Because it is not in their best interests to do so.

They would have to admit that they lied about the Roswell crash, that they lied about Project Bluebook, that they lied in all the press conferences
about aliens that were ever conducted.

In order for the government to permit Open Disclosure, they would have to come completely clean on everything. They would have to admit that NASA is
only a small portion of what the US military is doing in space (as British hacker Gary McKinnon discovered), that there are space-aliens based from
Zeta IV who kidnap people for medical experimentation and a long-term breeding program, and that facets of the government has been working with the
Greys for decades in order to obtain advanced technology. They would also have to admit that they have threatened, imprisoned, and even murdered many
people (like the murder of Secretary of Defense James Vincent Forrestal who planned to publicly disclose the government's knowledge of aliens) in
order to keep up the facade of "plausible deniability."

If there was ever Open Disclosure, the US government would collapse, directly and indirectly. One possible scenario: as a consequence to the violent
public reaction to the large-scale governmental deception, one branch of the military (not tied to the black project fleet in space) would take-over
and completely revamp the government.

REVOLUTION.

That is what many are trying to prevent from happening

Power and money. They wish to hold on to it for as long as possible.

The same old story.

Fortunately, they cannot hide everything and the truth always comes out eventually.

With your team ATS, do you have someone to give a polygragh test? Or is this more a working vaction? Instead of wasting money interviewing a typist
in the army, put an ad in the New York Times asking for alien artifacts, or documents or anything else that might come to light.

Taking old evidence and presenting it in a new way is very clever IMO. Especially using an organization [ATS] to present fact based documented
evidence, instead of the more usual: individuals experience/research testimony.

I think this sort of approach towards the MSM in future times might just hold the key to disclosure, and im honoured to be a member of the [as far as
i know] first organization that has tried this method.

we're sifting thru hundreds of thousands of gov't documents. The man in question simply knows, better than most (if not all), how to request
documents. Why? because he was classifying them when he was in the military.

That's excellent! It's always nice to read about real people actually trying to make a difference in a field that isn't traditionally
well-respected. I really, really hope you find something convincing enough for the MSM.

Congrats and Light-Speed to Mark and Stephen on their noble quest! This is why ATS is well on its way to becoming the de facto standard by which all
other 'exposure' forums will be measured.

MSM? Who needs 'em? All they do is spoon feed the party line, in a ridiculously diluted and lowest-denominator format, usually with a hidden
agenda, and always with that sneering, condescending attitude aimed at their zombie followers - and I don't care which network or cable channel you
select - they all do it.

This is new. This is better. This is the wave of the future. And I, for one, am completely overwhelmed with pride and gratitude that we have the
level-headed, professional visionaries in Mark and Springer on the front lines. I suggest you guys simply "Crak" some nuts and let the truth
"Spring" forth!

By the way - as a part pf this dynamic community - you know you can count on a whole legion of your dedicated members to help you out on a moment's
notice.

In any case - good luck with your mission. If I could buy you a round at the hotel tonight, I would do so in a second...

Originally posted by Double Eights
Why has the Disclosure Project accomplished nothing? Why hasn't the government even talked about it? [...]

Why hasnt't the government done anything regarding the Disclosure Project?

How can the government still continue to brush it off?

Unfortunately the Disclosure Project's conference timing at the NPC was not the best. A few months later 9/11 happened and everyone stopped talking
about things other than terrorists, wars, invasions and shopping.

And when things started getting back to normal, Greer went New Age on everyone and started pushing/selling his crazy ideas.

I'm sure it would have had a lot more impact without those two 'incidents', but still I doubt that conference or the Disclosure Project alone would
be enough to get a reaction from the Government. For that to happen we need the general public and the mainstream media to talk about it.

Lately the MSM has been giving some attention to the subject, hopefully we'll get the ball rolling again.

What has to happen, IMO, is a coalition of most all the varied camps in this issue. Instead of Hoaglanders, Ickeites, Greerists, and so forth, we
need to unite. Stop trying to prove which "pitchman" is selling the best tasting snake oil. Hitching one's wagon to one of these people limits our
impact to what that individual addresses.

A United Coalition for Full Disclosure would speak as one voice, and would attract the general population by only demanding the truth, without
personal agenda or profit. And politicians would listen, for to not do so would make them appear to avoid the truth.

A target of a half million would be a worthwhile goal. Each card carrying member could pay as little as $5.00USD,which could be used to place adds in
newspapers to target elections. Once politicians saw this as a solid bloc of votes, they would go after them, and MSM would trail along like
puppies.

Short of some mega-event that caught the world's attention in favor of disclosure, such as the proverbial landing on the White House lawn, something
along these lines stands the best chance of gaining a favorable outcome. It would be ideal to have some hard evidence, such as what may come to light
with the ATS Team in New Mexico, to use as a rallying point/icon.

If the president of the USA dosent have clearenct to certain files, then who is really running your government?

He should be the be all & end all of your government & nobody should be able to tell him "no you don't need to know that"!!

What you ppls need to do is find a president who won't take "NO" for an answer & who'll take the initiative to the next level in order to root out
& get rid of the Secret government running your country & "by proxy", the rest of the world.

SO who would fit the bill.. Who would have the balls as president to shake things up?

One thing that dose have me confused, the President has a "need to know" position. Yet, there are Senetors & Congressmen Who know everything?

I thaught these guys were lower in the ranking system than the president?

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