I have an old PPK/S and I tried to buy an LCP on Davidsons I wanted something lighter. I guess the LCP don't make the CA list. What do you guys like that is available in CA?

Thanks
Bruce

paul0660

05-07-2011, 6:44 PM

What is your budget?

Dr. Dimento

05-07-2011, 7:07 PM

The Kahr P380 is an excellent small pistol, polymer frame and walther barrel. I just finished detailing, smoothing up and extractor mods on two of them for a client in Oregon. They both fed over 200 assorted rounds flawlessly. Not bad accuracy wise either. These weren't California models. The only diff. Cal. models have loaded indicators on top of slide and won't fire with mag. out of pistol ( which can be changed ) They are priced kind of high 600 to 700 bucks, but quality made.

morrcarr67

05-07-2011, 7:15 PM

Accu-Tek AT .380

http://www.accu-tekfirearms.com/images/435_AT-380_II.JPG

ssteve

05-07-2011, 7:26 PM

Single shot a lcp or find a Leo that wouldn't mind selling his. Best bang for the buck imo

RenegadeRebel

05-07-2011, 8:11 PM

The Kahr P380 is an excellent small pistol, polymer frame and walther barrel. I just finished detailing, smoothing up and extractor mods on two of them for a client in Oregon. They both fed over 200 assorted rounds flawlessly. Not bad accuracy wise either. These weren't California models. The only diff. Cal. models have loaded indicators on top of slide and won't fire with mag. out of pistol ( which can be changed ) They are priced kind of high 600 to 700 bucks, but quality made.

Dr. what needs to be done to remove that pesky mag disconnect?

Also, how much do your services cost to really put the finishing touches on the p380?

mossy

05-07-2011, 9:23 PM

check out the bersa thunder 380

Damiiaaannn

05-07-2011, 9:35 PM

Sig p238

robcoe

05-07-2011, 9:36 PM

A good .380 in production, sig 232 or bersa 380

lightweight, single shot an LCP.

Best overall, if you can find one, IMO is the Colt 1908 pocket hammerless.

thefinger

05-07-2011, 9:40 PM

I have an old PPK/S and I tried to buy an LCP on Davidsons I wanted something lighter. I guess the LCP don't make the CA list. What do you guys like that is available in CA?

Thanks
Bruce

Where do you live? There are a lot of shops selling Ruger LCP's using the single-shot exemption. Sacramento Black Rifle has the Diamondback 380 as a single-shot exempt pistol as well.

sniper4usmc

05-07-2011, 9:46 PM

bersa

gatesbox

05-07-2011, 9:58 PM

Just sold my lcp, it was a great gun especially with crimson trace laser guard.loved it...but it was only fun for about 30 rounds on the range...would make a great ccw, but I live in San Mateo county....anyway, as much as I loved it pulling the trigger on the Kahr p380 is like a spa vacation compared to the Ruger...don't get me wrong I loved my lcp....but I feel like it has only forbidden fruit appeal in CA, there are better guns out there that fit the bill and are on the roster.

jermzzzzzzz

05-07-2011, 10:11 PM

Beretta 84F?

GUNFREAK

05-07-2011, 10:16 PM

Beretta 84F?

I like the Beretta 84 series as well but it is on the larger scale compared to the Kahr or the LCP.

southbayrookie

05-07-2011, 10:32 PM

what about cz rami bd? its 9mm though

http://i54.tinypic.com/n36g0o.jpg

Markus

05-07-2011, 10:47 PM

How bout CZ 83?

Snapping Twig

05-07-2011, 11:02 PM

Sig P230.

Can't do much better than that.

CessnaDriver

05-07-2011, 11:02 PM

Colt will be making the Mustang Pocketlite again, but I dont know if it will make the list.

tonelar

05-07-2011, 11:19 PM

Sig p238

^ this for a true pocket pistol in .380

Otherwise Sig P232 or Bersa are on the roster.

Bigtwin

05-07-2011, 11:27 PM

I do like my Bersa .380, not quite "pocket pistol" but damn close IMO! You should check them out and see if it fits you requirements. Similar to a PPK, but still an all metal gun so if the PPK is not acceptable then the Bersa may not quite make your requirements.(but a damn fine gun either way)!

mayo 111

05-07-2011, 11:33 PM

i just shot a sig p232 on friday, and it was niiiice. good groupings, no recoil, and felt good in the hand, and not all that heavy. wouldve felt better without the thick rubber grips, but ive got tiny hands.

resident-shooter

05-07-2011, 11:39 PM

No. .45 is the bear minimum.

762.DEFENSE

05-07-2011, 11:45 PM

Id love to have the "baby deagle" in .380 (Yes I know it's not on the list).

http://www6.davidsonsinc.com/dealers/prod_images/ME380.jpg

valkylrie

05-07-2011, 11:56 PM

I love my Sig. P238

Pred@tor

05-08-2011, 12:02 AM

A good .380 in production, sig 232 or bersa 380

lightweight, single shot an LCP.

Best overall, if you can find one, IMO is the Colt 1908 pocket hammerless.

I agree with you there its an awesome gun!

ianS

05-08-2011, 12:04 AM

SIG Sauer P232

gatdammit

05-08-2011, 3:37 AM

Where do you live? There are a lot of shops selling Ruger LCP's using the single-shot exemption. Sacramento Black Rifle has the Diamondback 380 as a single-shot exempt pistol as well.

A few questions for ya... If anyone can answer.

1. How's the trigger? Not so good with DA... so I'll need to practice?
2. Where in the Bay Area?
3. How much?

I'm interested in getting on of these. Thanks.

sirr6

05-08-2011, 3:44 AM

I bought my lcp at Tracy for 394 otd. My kahr p380 for 785.

bsg

05-08-2011, 3:59 AM

i like my w german Sig Sauer P230SL. i'd like to replace the blued version i sold long ago because of it's light weight.

gatdammit

05-08-2011, 3:59 AM

Tracy? Argh... that's a drive... but if they got it then they got it. I wonder if Valkyrie (Milpitas) carries it. Either one will be a drive for me from Oakland though.

RedFord150

05-08-2011, 8:36 AM

check out the bersa thunder 380

Agreed. I've owned mine around 3 to 4 years with no complaints. In fact, I love shooting it.

Another thumbs up for the Bersa 380 on the list - its a Walther PPK clone, at a much better price.

evidens83

05-08-2011, 9:54 AM

Bersa Thunder

VTX

05-08-2011, 11:28 AM

top of the list
Smith Bodyguard 380 with built in laser

glockwise2000

05-08-2011, 11:39 AM

I wouldn't suggest the Kahr P380 though. As much as I like how nimble and concealable it is, it is a pain to load. If you CCW and don't want to chamber a round while in your pocket, you have to unload the mag, lock the slide, insert the mag, then release the slide lock to chamber a round. That's a good 2-5 seconds of your time. Then again, this is just my $0.02.

Sub95

05-08-2011, 11:43 AM

The only thing about the Bersa Thunder 380, under the hammer ( not sure what that is called ) the bersa has a sharp edge on both sides and will rub the left side of your thumb tell you bleed. I had to take a fine diamond file to it to stop this, other then that it is a great little gun.

tonelar

05-08-2011, 1:23 PM

Also since the OP already has a PPK, isnt the Bersa pretty much identical?

RenegadeRebel

05-08-2011, 1:41 PM

I wouldn't suggest the Kahr P380 though. As much as I like how nimble and concealable it is, it is a pain to load. If you CCW and don't want to chamber a round while in your pocket, you have to unload the mag, lock the slide, insert the mag, then release the slide lock to chamber a round. That's a good 2-5 seconds of your time. Then again, this is just my $0.02.

First of all, we've all seen what happens to people who carry without a loaded chamber (death). This is especially true if your walking around the street and you get caught by surprise. So carrying any gun without a hot chamber is just plain silly.

Secondly, Kahr recommends people only use the slide release to chamber a round so they can cover their ***'s from inexperienced shooters who like to ride the slide. So long as a person knows how to properly rack the slide, Iv'e never seen any problems by chambering a round without the slide release.

So you can just cock it back and release it like any other gun with no problems, if you want to be silly enough to carry with an empty chamber, that is....

IrishPirate

05-08-2011, 2:07 PM

Also since the OP already has a PPK, isnt the Bersa pretty much identical?

The Bersas can be had new for $300.....can't really beat that unless you're looking for something smaller.

paul0660

05-08-2011, 2:08 PM

First of all, we've all seen what happens to people who carry without a loaded chamber (death). This is especially true if your walking around the street and you get caught by surprise. So carrying any gun without a hot chamber is just plain silly.

Secondly, Kahr recommends people only use the slide release to chamber a round so they can cover their ***'s from inexperienced shooters who like to ride the slide. So long as a person knows how to properly rack the slide, Iv'e never seen any problems by chambering a round without the slide release.

So you can just cock it back and release it like any other gun with no problems, if you want to be silly enough to carry with an empty chamber, that is....

110% correct. Kahrs do loosen up a bit with time so racking or slingshotting will work fine. As for carrying with an empty chamber, asked, answered.

VTX

05-08-2011, 2:10 PM

pic

Jack L

05-08-2011, 6:56 PM

I know my question was not asked for but.........now that there are a number of high quality very small 9mm's that are the same size as the small .380's, why not use a 9mm, like a Kahr PM9, or Kahr MK9? Ammo is less expensive and more choices and a larger caliber yet very friendly and the 9mm is very dependable? I was looking hard for a .380 until I read (and asked about) the issues with many of them. Just wondering.

gatdammit

05-08-2011, 7:11 PM

^I have an MK9... I like it alot, but it's a heavy bugger. You can really feel it in your pocket. If you don't have a belt to wear with your pants? Forget about it.

GrinderCB

05-08-2011, 9:34 PM

I have an old PPK/S and I tried to buy an LCP on Davidsons I wanted something lighter. I guess the LCP don't make the CA list. What do you guys like that is available in CA?

Thanks
Bruce

Kalifornia doesn't like .380's, pocket pistols anyway, viewed too much as belly-guns. Never made much sense to me since there are several pocket pistols in more powerful calibers that are on the list. Keep an eye out on the Marketplace and good .380's will appear. If you want an LCP or maybe a P-3AT they turn up from time to time there.

cali_armz

05-08-2011, 9:58 PM

I have an old PPK/S and I tried to buy an LCP on Davidsons I wanted something lighter. I guess the LCP don't make the CA list. What do you guys like that is available in CA?

Thanks
Bruce

beretta makes some nice .380 auto pistols. i was considering buying one, but i decided to go with 9mm g19 instead. 380 auto is relatively expensive, while 9mm is cheaper and more powerful

carnelianbay

05-08-2011, 10:52 PM

I know my question was not asked for but.........now that there are a number of high quality very small 9mm's that are the same size as the small .380's, why not use a 9mm, like a Kahr PM9, or Kahr MK9? Ammo is less expensive and more choices and a larger caliber yet very friendly and the 9mm is very dependable? I was looking hard for a .380 until I read (and asked about) the issues with many of them. Just wondering.

+1

As TNP would say it depends on your POU “Philosophy of Use”.

If it’s for personal defense in a pocket carry, since you already have PPK (which is a great nostalgic piece) why buy another mouse-gun? Get yourself any sub-compact 9 from a PM9 on the high end ($800) to a pf9 on the low end ($300). Neither are meant for the range since given their weight they’re a hand full, but they make great summer short carries or BUG’s.

Eddie1965

05-08-2011, 11:49 PM

I got the Bersa duo-tone kit for $400.00 out the door. It comes with an extra 9 round magazine, holster, hard case and extra grips. I got it from Gallery of guns.

theskunk

05-13-2011, 2:09 PM

My brand new p232 sig has a lot of jamming problems ...FTE and double feeds

Low-Pressure

05-13-2011, 2:23 PM

My brand new p232 sig has a lot of jamming problems ...FTE and double feeds
Break in period, at about 500 round it'll get better. :D
Or try different brand of ammo.

hkdad

05-13-2011, 2:45 PM

Break in period, at about 500 round it'll get better. :D
Or try different brand of ammo.

i hate guns that needs a break in period. how much $$$ will you spend on ammo just to make the gun run 100%? add that $$$ to the cost of the gun and you will be out of your budget. buy a gun that runs out of the box without spending $$$ on ammo just to break it in. or buy a used one that already runs 100%.

Spetsnazos

05-13-2011, 3:03 PM

Makarov in .380 :) I have 2

waho

05-13-2011, 3:27 PM

Browning BDA, love it.

RenegadeRebel

05-13-2011, 3:31 PM

i hate guns that needs a break in period. how much $$$ will you spend on ammo just to make the gun run 100%? add that $$$ to the cost of the gun and you will be out of your budget. buy a gun that runs out of the box without spending $$$ on ammo just to break it in. or buy a used one that already runs 100%.

Dont act like the ammo is used "just" for break in. Its practice that we would all do regardless of break in or not. And infact, it forces people to put rounds through there gun rather then just thinking "ohh yea, it runs great out of the box. Ill just load it with hollow points, and Im sure ill be able to shoot out a bad guys eye the first time I ever use it" :rolleyes:

greybeard

05-13-2011, 3:39 PM

J&R Sporting in Livermore is having a sale on CA Kahr for $650. Thay have them in stock

BigDogatPlay

05-13-2011, 3:48 PM

SiG P230 or P232, FTW.

RenegadeRebel

05-13-2011, 4:40 PM

J&R Sporting in Livermore is having a sale on CA Kahr for $650. Thay have them in stock

Buds has them for 612 w/ free shipping. If you can locate an FFL who does not charge tax on out of state transfers (getting harder all the time) then you can save some money.

Probably about the same amount of cash, no matter which way you skin the cat...

12voltguy

05-13-2011, 6:00 PM

I have an old PPK/S and I tried to buy an LCP on Davidsons I wanted something lighter. I guess the LCP don't make the CA list. What do you guys like that is available in CA?

Thanks
Bruce

I bought an LCP this week off GB from a seller in WA state $324 $20 ship $345
He is shipping to a dealer in OREGON, that fealer will do a single shot conversion ( $60 + ship $15-20 no deposit on locked mag & barrel) & ship to my dealer in CA who will charge the std $35 dros + $35 shipped in gun
$490-495
& I get the carry gun I have been wanting since ruger anouced they were coming out for $225,LOL

12voltguy

05-13-2011, 6:06 PM

i hate guns that needs a break in period. how much $$$ will you spend on ammo just to make the gun run 100%? add that $$$ to the cost of the gun and you will be out of your budget. buy a gun that runs out of the box without spending $$$ on ammo just to break it in. or buy a used one that already runs 100%.

never buy a 1911 then:59::rofl2:

paul0660

05-13-2011, 6:19 PM

Dont act like the ammo is used "just" for break in. Its practice that we would all do regardless of break in or not. And infact, it forces people to put rounds through there gun rather then just thinking "ohh yea, it runs great out of the box. Ill just load it with hollow points, and Im sure ill be able to shoot out a bad guys eye the first time I ever use it" :rolleyes:

So what is your limit on a break in period? 200, 500, 1000...............etc? You think practice makes perfect. Some people know how to shoot when they first get a gun, and shooting eyes out isn't necessary anyway. Guns should run out of the box, imo.

I wouldn't trade my J frame for a .380 anyway.

INJUNTOM

05-13-2011, 6:25 PM

i hate guns that needs a break in period. how much $$$ will you spend on ammo just to make the gun run 100%? add that $$$ to the cost of the gun and you will be out of your budget. buy a gun that runs out of the box without spending $$$ on ammo just to break it in. or buy a used one that already runs 100%.

That takes all the fun out of it :D

INJUNTOM

05-13-2011, 6:32 PM

Buds has them for 612 w/ free shipping. If you can locate an FFL who does not charge tax on out of state transfers (getting harder all the time) then you can save some money.

Probably about the same amount of cash, no matter which way you skin the cat...

Also not worth selling out your local dealer for a $38 savings.

INJUNTOM

05-13-2011, 6:33 PM

I bought an LCP this week off GB from a seller in WA state $324 $20 ship $345
He is shipping to a dealer in OREGON, that fealer will do a single shot conversion ( $60 + ship $15-20 no deposit on locked mag & barrel) & ship to my dealer in CA who will charge the std $35 dros + $35 shipped in gun
$490-495
& I get the carry gun I have been wanting since ruger anouced they were coming out for $225,LOL

There are dealers here in CA that you can get one from for just under $400 out the door.

brianm767

05-14-2011, 11:39 AM

While not readily available in alot of gun stores, the Ruger LCP, Diamond Back .380 and Kahr P380 are available as single shot form to walk in customers in Fresno, Tracy and Milpitas, and probably more places I'm not aware of. I believe there are also other dealers in So Cal who will accept transfer of a single shot for you, I bought mine in Tracy for $394 OTD, I live in Clovis/Fresno area and to me, it's nothing to take a drive over to Tracy to get a gun I really want, in fact I was on my way to Livermore to pick up my PM9 when I stopped in to Tracy rifle and Pistol and bought my LCP.

I guess I'm different, since I love to drive, I actually commuted from Fresno to SFO then Oakland airport for over three years, five days a week for work.

I see some folks would rather settle on a Bersa or some thing in that size, rather than just making a couple family trips out of it, and come to one of the cites mentioned to get the gun you really want, yes I know at these gas prices it really adds to the price of the gun, but in the long run, you'll be happy with it. if your in So Cal, plan a trip to Yosemite with the family and stop off in Fresno and pick up a LCP on the way, yes you'll have to return to pick it up, but to me it's another excuse to get out of town for the day.

I carried my Kahr P380 yesterday in my pocket loaded for the first time. carried it out for about 4 hours and all I could think of is how, even though it is small, it's heavier than my LCP I had, kind of wished I had the LCP for the lighter weight, I couldn't imagine carrying my PM9 in my pocket, let alone a Bersa or heavier .380. if your going to carry something that heavy in your pocket, you might as well carry a small Kahr 9MM, also the fact that I have a small gut, and my belt is allready tasked just to keep my pants from sliding down the slope of my belly, the gun doesn't help.

Sorry for the rant, but IMOP, bottom line, if your going to settle for a Cali approved heavy .380, then just buy a small kahr 9MM it will be about the same size, and probably lighter, or if you have the ability to, take a couple trips and get a true pocket .380 that you will be happy with. or I guess you can buy the new Kahr Cali P380, but man OTD your probably looking at $750-$800,

INJUNTOM

05-14-2011, 12:42 PM

I'm really digging my LCP. Can't carry it in public yet, but have been carrying it at work and it's much more comfortable than the 642 that's on my permit. Still have over 5 weeks to wait to get the LCP added to my permit.

BTW Brian, what's the story of your avatar? Is that an old pic of you on a CT70? Still got it? I have a nice 1970 model.

brianm767

05-14-2011, 12:58 PM

I'm really digging my LCP. Can't carry it in public yet, but have been carrying it at work and it's much more comfortable than the 642 that's on my permit. Still have over 5 weeks to wait to get the LCP added to my permit.

BTW Brian, what's the story of your avatar? Is that an old pic of you on a CT70? Still got it? I have a nice 1970 model.

Yes that was my fist M/C I cant remember what exact year model it was, I think 69 or 70. I think the same paint scheme was on 69-71? I sold it to buy my first real Motocross bike , a early RM80, I started my Motocross racing on that. the buyer of my CT70 was going to use it as a pit bike for their drag race team. I've seen some just like it and have thought about buying another one for the memories. it would be great for camping or just going down to check the mail.

My wife thinks I'm nuts, I guess men never for get their favorite toys, I'm now buying old toys I had off ebay for my grandson, it's cool to see him play with the exact same ones I had.

The pic shows me just before my dad got home and whopped my *****, I took my sisters closet door off her closet, cut it in half, and made the ramp, apparently that wasn't appreciated by my folks, did pretty good after that, it wasn't till I was 14 when my dad caught me taking his CB750K out around town for joy rides, he wondered why his sprockets were tore up and his chains were always stretched??

Back to guns, I think I may get another LCP, light, thin and inexpensive compared to my Kahr P380, IMOP it's the perfect pocket belly gun.

INJUNTOM

05-14-2011, 1:17 PM

My wife thinks I'm nuts, I guess men never for get their favorite toys, I'm now buying old toys I had off ebay for my grandson, it's cool to see him play with the exact same ones I had.

My wife knows I'm nuts. I have so many I can't count them all. Here's a link to most of them:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/390287/1937-pontiac-firebird/page-9

Also on that site is several pages of some of my vintage cars.

Also, I believe that by '71 Honda was using solid colors instead of candy.

Back to guns, I think I may get another LCP, light, thin and inexpensive compared to my Kahr P380, IMOP it's the perfect pocket belly gun.

I really spent a lot of time researching it, and there's many .380s I liked better, but light weight and size was the number one factor for me. I wanted something for shorts weather, etc. and the fact that often at work I would get tired of carrying the 642 and put it away. With LCP I often have to check to see that it's there, so I end up carrying it all day.

I really liked a Sig .380 that I held at TRAP, but it was heavier, more like my 642. Also was looking at an NAA .380 that a member from Sac had for sale on here, but when comparing the weight, I went LCP

Also not worried as much about it getting scarred up carrying - not as much of an investment, and being polymer, it's less prone to show the scars. I've always been anal with all my stuff and trying to preserve things, and it pains me with the few sctratches my 642 has already even though it was bought specifically for that purpose.

carnelianbay

05-14-2011, 1:47 PM

to the OP who asked “Is there a good .380?”

No…

MrOrange

05-15-2011, 10:35 AM

Seems the OP wants an LCP, so find a dealer to single-shot one is the answer for him.

For me, a good 9x17mm is a 9x19mm:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/joesat/twicenines.jpg

Noah3683

05-15-2011, 11:09 AM

Tracy? Argh... that's a drive... but if they got it then they got it. I wonder if Valkyrie (Milpitas) carries it. Either one will be a drive for me from Oakland though. Valkyrie does carry it

hkdad

05-15-2011, 11:34 AM

never buy a 1911 then:59::rofl2:

my 1911 runs better than my glock!:rolleyes:

hkdad

05-15-2011, 11:46 AM

Dont act like the ammo is used "just" for break in. Its practice that we would all do regardless of break in or not. And infact, it forces people to put rounds through there gun rather then just thinking "ohh yea, it runs great out of the box. Ill just load it with hollow points, and Im sure ill be able to shoot out a bad guys eye the first time I ever use it" :rolleyes:

WRONG! you will NOT be able to focus properly on your target if your gun keeps acting up during the break in period. it's a waste of time and ammo! it's more of a "frustration" what you are going to feel. been there done that!:rolleyes: if you are in socal, please feel free to shoot with my group IDPA, IPSC or what ever you desire so we can see how great your skills and guns are. if you have a CCW gun that needs a break in period... sell it and buy something better. if it's just your range, toy gun... then i don't care.

"DVC"

MrClamperSir

05-15-2011, 11:48 AM

Sig P230.

Can't do much better than that.

Agreed!

RenegadeRebel

05-15-2011, 4:05 PM

WRONG! you will NOT be able to focus properly on your target if your gun keeps acting up during the break in period. it's a waste of time and ammo! it's more of a "frustration" what you are going to feel. been there done that!:rolleyes: if you are in socal, please feel free to shoot with my group IDPA, IPSC or what ever you desire so we can see how great your skills and guns are. if you have a CCW gun that needs a break in period... sell it and buy something better. if it's just your range, toy gun... then i don't care.

"DVC"

I'm sorry; but do I know you??? Did you invent the repeating rifle or something? Why do I have to prove my skills and guns to you in the first place?

Trust me when I say, whether or not you care is irrelevant to me, O mighty god of everything that goes bang. :rolleyes:

bearcat33

05-16-2011, 7:10 AM

]The Browning BDA 380 pistol was introduced in 1980 [/U][/B]or so as a compact and lightweight pistol for police and civilian use. The gun was manufactured in Italy under contract from FN Herstal (Belgium) and marketed as FN model 140DA (in Europe) or Browning BDA 380 (in USA). Some sources said that BDA 380 is a copy of Beretta 84, but close inspection shows some differences (i.e. Beretta 84 has frame mounted safety while BDA 380 has slide mounted safety). The manufacture of the BDA 380 was ceased circa 1997. It was adopted by Belgian police.
The BDA 380 is a blowback operated, double action semi automatic pistol. It has aluminium alloy frame and steel slide. Ambidextrous slide mounted safety switch disconnects the trigger from the hammer when engaged. The pistol featured low profile fixed sightst and was available in either polished steel or blued finish, with wooden grip panels.
The gun deserved good reputation as reliable and comfortable to fire.

I think you guys talked me out of another .380. Maybe I will look at an LCR in .357?

brianm767

05-17-2011, 4:56 PM

I think you guys talked me out of another .380. Maybe I will look at an LCR in .357?

I dont know? if you get a LCP, I think you'll love it for what it is,

I need to get another one. buddy at work just sold his, round count under 50 for $350, I should have bought it.

Cavaliers

07-02-2012, 11:06 PM

If you are eying a 380, i assume you need something smaller and lighter than a compact 9mm, so I'll disqualify anything bigger than an LC9.

While not the smallest, I think you'd live the classic Colt Mustang/Pony (stainless) or the newer P238/mustang in aluminum. They point and shoot like a quality big gun. Accurate, no felt recoil, durable, and familiar feel to 1911 disciples. There are smaller ones that are fun to carry, but these are fun too shoot.

jlbflyboy172

07-03-2012, 9:33 AM

+1 for the Sig P232. I have had a couple of them. Never had a problem with either of them. No failures of any kind. Sig quality, small to carry and accurate as hell.

keenkeen

07-03-2012, 9:53 AM

No. .45 is the bear minimum.

Agreed, if you are shooting a "bear" than .45 is the bare minimum...

:p

RedFord150

07-03-2012, 9:58 AM

check out the bersa thunder 380

^^^^ Agreed.

Apec

07-03-2012, 10:22 AM

What's funny is that I wish certain .380 pistols were available in 9x19mm. Yeah I know, not possible in a blowback gun, but I'd love a Beretta 84, 84FS, 85, Browning BDA, or Walther PPK/S in 9mm para.