That is Hollywood's version of fake history. NASA endorsed it, Gene Kranz endorsed it and, obviously, every NASA cheerleader will endorse it
because Gene Kranz is some kind of hero to them. So many people watched that successful 1995 movie and they really believe that Gene Kranz said that!
That's what I mean by controlling the historical narrative.

You still haven't defined what the phrase "historical narrative" means.

They weren't there for the scammy O2 bomb scare. Left before that. Came after the scam tank blew. That's what Leibergot said and he knows right
better than you do now don't he ?

where does he say that?

In this post you mention that "all the fight directors including Eugene
Krantz" said this happened - what is the soutrce for the information - where can it be viewed?

Leibergot said no one was there.

Oh - well that's clearly not true!!

You saying you know better than him ? Show us a pic of Mitchell or Young. SY Leibergot show that pic to prove no one was there.

I don't know anythign about who was there and who wasn't - except fro Krantz - you said that the room had emptied of all except the flight directors
so Mitchell couldn't have been there - so it's simply an obvious question when did that happen, in order to establish the timeline.

I shouldn't need to. It is self explanatory. It's only two words: "historical" and "narrative". Try saying them out loud and maybe you will
understand it. Someday. Hopefully.

You still need to explain why you have such an urgent need to control it. In truth, you don't own the narrative. Neither do I. But I want a more
accurate, less mythological Apollo narrative.

So many times I have just scratched the surface of Nixon's Apollo and I find C I A written all over it. From Howard Hughes' Surveyor spacecraft to
Richard Underwood at the photo lab. Farouk El Baz and Edward Nixon. Does that ring a bell? Miraculous healings of Michael Collins, Alan Shepard and
Jim Irwin. Deke Slayton, the CIA station chief. The Stamp Dealers with Howard Hughes money connections in Florida and Las Vegas. Using the spacemen
for American diplomacy when the stated purpose was "For All Mankind" well it wasn't like that during the super paranoid anti-communist pro-war
Nixon years, was it?

There's more. The Lovelace Clinic, for example. The early Hollywood connections with Tv video enhancement technology. The Swiss Bank accounts of
Apollo 15. The $70,000 payouts from Life magazine. The free Corvettes.
The quick money astronauts like Shepard and Dave Scott. The 18.5 minutes of blank transcript from Apollo 12's secret stand up EVA that uncannily
mirrors the 18.5 minutes that were famously erased from Richard Nixon's White House tapes. the missing telemetry tapes from Accession #A694099 or the
moon rocks which never had "adequate controls". Etc. Ad infinitum.

The Apollo 13 teledrama is just one chapter of the Nixonian Tv propaganda surge which took place entirely under his presidency. This has nothing to do
with "For All Mankind" this has everything to do with American flag patriotism fat rockets and fat paychecks for the U.S. military industrial
complex.

Worshipping of idols does not sit well with a skeptical point of view. In my view, there are no idols. If someone constructs an idol it is my
responsibility to knock it down. The obvious conclusion is that your narrative is constructed with a fatal defect. A defective narrative deserves to
be toppled into a heap of ashes and regolith.

I shouldn't need to. It is self explanatory. It's only two words: "historical" and "narrative". Try saying them out loud and maybe you will
understand it. Someday. Hopefully.

According to the dictionary, an "historical narrative" is a work of fiction that uses real historical events and chronology as a framework or
background. That's certainly not of any concern to a real historian, beyond the light it sheds on the contemporary concerns of the author.

You still need to explain why you have such an urgent need to control it. In truth, you don't own the narrative. Neither do I. But I want a
more accurate, less mythological Apollo narrative.

You have never accused me of trying to control anything. On the other hand, you are now admitting that you want to write your own historical fiction.
That's fine with me, so long as you do not present it as actual history. Serious historical research has rules.

So many times I have just scratched the surface of Nixon's Apollo and I find C I A written all over it.

That is due to your lack of objectivity; you are simply finding what you wish to find. You could also scratch the surface looking for Presbyterians,
and find enough evidence to write a completely different fiction.

There's more. The Lovelace Clinic, for example. The early Hollywood connections with Tv video enhancement technology. The Swiss Bank accounts
of Apollo 15. The $70,000 payouts from Life magazine. The free Corvettes. The quick money astronauts like Shepard and Dave Scott. The 18.5 minutes of
blank transcript from Apollo 12's secret stand up EVA that uncannily mirrors the 18.5 minutes that were famously erased from Richard Nixon's White
House tapes. the missing telemetry tapes from Accession #A694099 or the moon rocks which never had "adequate controls". Etc. Ad infinitum.

None of which you can knit together into a coherent plot. The characters in your fiction do not behave consistently, there are meaningless
coincidences and plot holes large enough to fly a Saturn V through.

The Apollo 13 teledrama is just one chapter of the Nixonian Tv propaganda surge which took place entirely under his presidency. This has
nothing to do with "For All Mankind" this has everything to do with American flag patriotism fat rockets and fat paychecks for the U.S. military
industrial complex.

A perfect example. Every film about Apollo, even the most blatantly propagandist, includes footage of JFK's speech. Very few show Nixon at all. If
Nixon masterminded an easily accomplished hoax, why did he cancel the final three missions? They would have been the perfect way to deflect attention
from the Watergate Scandal. Again, your plotting is illogical and characterization inconsistent.

Worshipping of idols does not sit well with a skeptical point of view. In my view, there are no idols. If someone constructs an idol it is my
responsibility to knock it down. The obvious conclusion is that your narrative is constructed with a fatal defect. A defective narrative deserves to
be toppled into a heap of ashes and regolith.

You have never accused me of trying to control anything. On the other hand, you are now admitting that you want to write your own historical
fiction. That's fine with me, so long as you do not present it as actual history. Serious historical research has rules.

You constantly underestimate Richard Nixon and his influence on the historical Apollo 13 narrative.
And remember, Nixon really liked the movies. He got the idea for Apollo 13 from "Marooned".

In fact, on December 20, 1969, Nixon watched the move "Marooned". The director of that film, John Sturgess, also directed "The Eagle Has Landed"
in 1976. So many Hollywood connections> Ron Howard's historical revisionism>
Tv video enhancements in the early 1970's during Apollo 15, 16 and 17. Too many connections to ignore, really.

You constantly underestimate Richard Nixon and his influence on the historical Apollo 13 narrative.
And remember, Nixon really liked the movies. He got the idea for Apollo 13 from "Marooned".

In fact, on December 20, 1969, Nixon watched the move "Marooned". The director of that film, John Sturgess, also directed "The Eagle Has Landed"
in 1976. So many Hollywood connections> Ron Howard's historical revisionism>
Tv video enhancements in the early 1970's during Apollo 15, 16 and 17. Too many connections to ignore, really.

i see.. so nixon watched the movie marooned on december 20.. that is where he got the idea for the incident involving apollo 13 which was launched on
april 11 1970.

this gives them a total of less than 4 months to come up with the entire script acting voice acting all rehearsed with no mistakes in one full take
spanning 6 full days (including coordinating all the hollywood editing) without making mistakes..

Edgar Mitchell is beyond disgusting. That whole touchy feely psycho nut job business is a touchy feely psycho nut job front . That guy doesn't
believe that made up nonsense about the spiritual realm interfacing with the realm of phony Apollo space missions. The idea is if Mitchell comes up
with stuff that whacked, Apollo has got to be legit. What nut case would both participate in fake Apollo missions AND spew psycho-spiritual-Tom
Cruisesque heiny jive nonsense ? So they expect you to buy all of it. The whole thing being so very far fetched, it simply has to be true.

Edgar Mitchell is beyond disgusting. That whole touchy feely psycho nut job business is a touchy feely psycho nut job front . That guy doesn't
believe that made up nonsense about the spiritual realm interfacing with the realm of phony Apollo space missions. The idea is if Mitchell comes up
with stuff that whacked, Apollo has got to be legit. What nut case would both participate in fake Apollo missions AND spew psycho-spiritual-Tom
Cruisesque heiny jive nonsense ? So they expect you to buy all of it. The whole thing being so very far fetched, it simply has to be true.

Do you have anything concrete to support this entirely subjective opinion?

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