For ****** sake. I just can NOT understand the friendzone. At all. If a guy wants to be with a girl, he needs to sack the **** up, and make a move. If she says she'd rather be friends, then that's the way it stays. Happens to girls too. Sometimes, it changes, but not really often.

I think that there is really no point in whining about it. Sure, you may think you're an absolute nice guy, and that's fine. But if you're going to let something like unrequited feelings jeopardize a good friendship, then how nice are you really? That's being selfish, and cowardly. Yes, I'm being a bitch. But goddammit, this has gotten unprecedented levels of ridiculous.

Not every relationship will pan out as hoped. Does it hurt? Yes. But please, to set an example for your fellow men, just handle it like a man. This is the harsh truth that almost every woman, (and men at some point, I think) understands eventually. Don't whine, don't bitch, don't be passive aggressive. If she/he doesn't want you, then that's that. Don't cry about the friendzone, because guess what? It's the FRIENDzone. You have a FRIEND. So many people have trouble making friends, that you bitching about not being able to go beyond friendship is like salt in the wound. You're that kid back in middle school who always got A's, and complained when you got an A-, while 70% of your peers had B's, C's, and D's. That is you, every time you whine about friendzone.

While I agree with the bulk of what you said, sometimes I think simply being in the friendzone changes the circumstances of a friendship. I mean, it's not impossible to remain friends. It's just weird having that idea in the back of your head. The idea that someone wanted to move beyond the point of friendship. There are some people that allow that idea to have subtle influence over a friendly relationship and it makes things really awkward from that point forward. But like you said, they should just handle it instead of letting it get the best of their friendship.

Also, being nice doesn't entitle you to women. Sure, you might be nice. But guess what, so are thousands of other guys but they don't fawn all over a girl and actually have something interesting in their lives outside of said woman.

It's not that I'm upset that that we're only friends. That's cool. In fact, I'm so glad that I'm friends with her, that I want to be so much more than friends. She's so great for me. But alas, it doesn't work that way.

As for sacking up and making a move, that'd be about as effective as saying "I really wish I could fly, so I'm going to walk off a cliff and hope for the best."

For me, it's not that I don't want to really engage in a friendship with fun girl, I honestly would really love that. But the fact that I speak to them regularly and want to hang around with them is that I enjoy or appreciate different aspects of them.

After letting sort've emotion sit around with a lonely guy for so long, it eventually develops into a sort of crush on the girl, who is already, theoretically, your friend.

Now you're on a closer level with this chick, learning more and more about her and seeing things you love about her. Now, you've just realized you like her, but you're already IN the damn friendzone.

I can't tell if you're disagreeing with me, or agreeing. Nevertheless, it's not unheard of for your situation to happen. And honestly, there's no helping it. It's not really your fault when that happens.

You may already know this, but in that situation, you have a decision to make. You have to carefully think about your potential as a couple, and as friends. I can't stress this enough. Guys tend to mull it over for a bit, but their dick has veto power. Even if you aren't thinking of her sexually, that part of you that wants a romantic link with a woman will always say that you're better off dating than friends. Sometimes, you need to tell that part to shut the **** up.