Apple will not allow vzw to preinstall apps on their product and they are smart. The problem is as a droid owner I pay just as much money as an iphone owner and my phone gets loaded down with no way to remove them. After reading that vzw will allow apple to go with out preloaded apps I got angry and wanted to know why my droid got loaded down. So today I called verizon and they said that it was the manufacturer at fault. So I called both htc and motorola.

Motorola heard my complaint and said they would pass it up the chain. HTC the rep said it is part of the operating system and they are not going to change it (that was one rep). As a customer their is power in numbers. If one person says their gas pedal is sticking they my get called a moron, but if a bunch of people come out then the manufacturer will have to recall and look at the issue or lose their customer fan base. Motorola and HTC, the top dogs in the android world, will be going toe to toe with arguably the best smart phone manufacturer in apple. Motorola needs their fan base and want to put up numbers to impress stock holders and keep the money rolling. You as the customer are a big part of making that happen and it is on each of us to dictate what we want to purchase.
If they are not gonna sell the droids at a much lower price then their should not be bloat on the devices period. You work hard for your money and you have the right to expect the best for a high end product.
So if you are tired of the bloatware that can not be deleted then it is time to form your own destiny and not take what is given to you. Because the precious droid bionic that most of us would like is already getting loaded with bloat. What is the point of 2ghz processor if you have half the ram of the atrix and its bloated.

If you feel like I do then call up motorola and hit up their live support I would like to see every member here and on other android forums who love their droids but tired of the bloat let motorola, htc, and vzw know how you really feel. Telling us and posting on our forum does little cuz we do not make the product but calling motorola and letting them know can make a big difference. We are a large community if you combine all the Droid forums and we pay at minimum $80 a month. SO each one of us is $2000 to vzw and $600 to motorola and htc...money talks and if the customers are unhappy they will make a change. But because no one is calling them on it then they think we love the bloat.

Call and bug them on their live chat and encourage other droid users to do the same or your bionic will be a locked and loaded ad the droid x, droid 2, and droid 2 global. I have the droid 2 and my device runs much faster and smoother on an Aosp rom then the loaded up version that is stock.
I will post a copy of my live chat.

AFter talking to a live support make sure to speak to call their headquarters here:1800-734-5870 and ask to speak to a level 2 and or supervisor.

Thanks to all for your help and participation, I believe if we work together and make our feelings known that we will atleast be able to say we went down giving them our best shot.....and at most get devices that are clean and open for the customer to DECIDE what apps he/ she want on THEIR device that they PAID money for.

Ceasar: Hi, my name is Ceasar. How may I help you? pc747: first can i get a copy of this emailed to me pc747: after we are done pc747: I had the iphone 3gs and switched to the original droid 1 on release date. I now have a droid 2 and look forward to the bionic but there is an issue that troubles me pc747: Why do motorola insist on putting preloaded apps on the newer droids that we can not delete Ceasar: Like what type of apps? pc747: the droid 2, droid x, droid pro, and droid x comes loaded with kindle, blockbuster, need for speed, and other apps that are on trial base and I can not delete them. pc747: We as the customer would like the option to remove those apps. Android o.s, unlike apple, is an open system which allow the user to choose what they want on their phone. If you guys load up our phonw with apps we can not delete then you are just being apple jr. pc747: Oh and verizon is allowing apple to release their iphone with out the preloaded apps. And last I checked it cost the same for the iphone as the droids so please can you guys not put preloaded apps on the future android devices like the droid bionic. Ceasar: We do apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and want to assure you that Motorola does value your feedback. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department, pc747. Ceasar: I assure you, this will certainly be passed on. pc747: Thank you, I like the droid products but all we ask as a customer base is allow us to dictate what we want, if you gonna preload them the allow us to delete it after 15 days or so. pc747: That is all I have can i get a copy of this emailed to me, thanks pc747: and thanks for your time Ceasar: I fully understand your concern. pc747: That is all I have for you today, thank you sir Ceasar: You're welcome. Ceasar: If you need any more information get in touch. Thanks from Motorola, bye! Ceasar has disconnected.

Rhea: Hi, my name is Rhea. How may I help you?
cereal killer: Hi Rhea.......
cereal killer: How can we get Verizon to stop pushing the bloatware to our Android devices?
cereal killer: Apple has restricted them from doing this
cereal killer: but we who love Android have to deal with it
Rhea: I apologize for the inconvenience. What is the model of the phone?
cereal killer: we have to hack our devices to get it off
cereal killer: Droid 1
cereal killer: A855
cereal killer: They have put in on the X and Droid 2 Global as well
Rhea: Just want to verify, the bloatware are preloaded applications on the phone and we could not delete them.
cereal killer: yes
Rhea: Do you mean that those applications are not there before and now your service provider have put it there?
cereal killer: no i was just going to clarify that. It comes preloaded
cereal killer: I said pushed but I meant preloadedand forced
Rhea: Oh, okay and you wanted to remove it, correct?
cereal killer: Yes alot of us do
Rhea: I am so sorry but we could not remove or delete preloaded applications on the phone.
cereal killer: Can you guys stop this practice and force VZW to not subject us to this?
cereal killer: Apple has told them no and they listened
Rhea: I apologize. Rest assured that everything on my end is documented and recorded so this concern will be investigated and escalated so Motorola can do an immediate action for this request.
cereal killer: That would be fantastic....let me ask you..
Rhea: Go ahead please.
cereal killer: I know you are telling me that it will be escalated but will it in fact get attention?
Rhea: Yes, of course. Our chat session are directly saved on our system and it will go directly to our engineering department for review and they are the one who sends the session to a specific department for further review and evaluation.
cereal killer: Excelent Rhea..thank you very much for your time
Rhea: You are welcome.
Rhea: So will there be anything else?
cereal killer: No..but thank you very much

Ceasar: Hi, my name is Ceasar. How may I help you? Chris: Yes I would like to discuss with you how to remove the preloaded software on my device. I.e. the games that are not free. Chris: Ceasar are you there? Ceasar: May I know the model of the phone? Chris: Droid 2 Ceasar: If those are preloaded apps, it can not be uninstalled off the phone since they are embedded on the software. Chris: But why? Ceasar: We can only remove or uninstall downloaded apps. Chris: I use Netflix, not Blockbuster for example. Why must I be forced to have that software on MY phone. Ceasar: You can still use Netflix at the same time. Chris: If I purchase a computer it comes preinstalled with programs, I understand that, to subsidize a small portion of the computer. At the end of the day though I can uninstall all of this bloatware. Why do I not have this option to uninstall? Why must I be forced to have Verizon software on the device that is mine? Ceasar: We do apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and want to assure you that Motorola does value your feedback. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department. Ceasar: I assure you, this will certainly be passed on. Chris: What department handles this decision? Chris: Ceasar can you provide me with the contact information for the department that handles the decision for the bloatware to be placed on the devices and for them to be unable to be removed? Ceasar: You can also raise this concern on our support forums and through this link: Contact Us - Motorola Solutions USA Chris Shotter: Anything more direct? I don't want to get lost in a seas of complaints. Ceasar: The link that I gave you has the contact numbers, Chris. Chris: I am presuming that I would want to contact Software Applications at +1.866.416.8545? Ceasar: Yes, correct. Chris: Thank you for your help on this matter. Are you seeing a large amount of complaints regarding this issue? Ceasar: Not at all. But we do keep a record or copy of all our customer's feedback. Chris: Thank you again.

Not to be a debbie downer, but this community (the active part at least) is probably 1% or less of total droid users. A handful of complaints to the manufacturers isn't going to matter much to them when millions of other buyers don't care about having preloaded apps.

Not to be a debbie downer, but this community (the active part at least) is probably 1% or less of total droid users. A handful of complaints to the manufacturers isn't going to matter much to them when millions of other buyers don't care about having preloaded apps.

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Rooted or not, the "bloatware" only impacts me in so far as it takes up ram (much less of an issue with storing apps on the SD or non-ram internal memory). Of course, much of the bloatware seems incapable of being moved to SD.

Just like I don't get the obsession with the app drawer. Once I started getting a good number of apps the app drawer became too inefficient a method of organization and I just organized things into folders on one homescreen as an alternative. The bloatware is out of sight, out of mind.

Not to be a debbie downer, but this community (the active part at least) is probably 1% or less of total droid users. A handful of complaints to the manufacturers isn't going to matter much to them when millions of other buyers don't care about having preloaded apps.

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I think some of the people do care because I know people who no nothing about these forums who want to remove them. Now you are right if only we complain then it could get lost but if we get on motorola's face book, and twittier, and talk to people at work then maybe we can get more than just the 1% complaining.

Yeah, and the problem is not everyone on the forum is going to do this, so it becomes far less than 1% that report this issue. I don't think this is something that can be stopped by a few petitions it's something that simply has to be decided on the corporate level by the manufacturer or VZW (whichever one is responsible for it). The funny thing is, I'm sure people wouldn't mind as much if you had the option to uninstall. It's pretty ridiculous that you have to hack your device to get rid of this stuff...

the plus side is, i'm assuming the majority or very close to it, of the users in this forum have their phone hacked, so for the ones that really do care its almost always removable with little effort

Not to be a debbie downer, but this community (the active part at least) is probably 1% or less of total droid users. A handful of complaints to the manufacturers isn't going to matter much to them when millions of other buyers don't care about having preloaded apps.

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and we understand that. The point of this thread is for those that have an issue with this practice and have been vocal about it (which would include me). They can at least do their part and have their voice heard.

It's a lost cause. Look no further than the PC market which has only spiraled out of control with respect to bloatware. Sure, you can uninstall some of the stuff if you know what you are doing, but in some cases removing them messes up some features.

The point I think isn't so much that they put it on, its that it cannot be removed. Even on PC's you can remove all the bloat and it won't mess up the computer. If you remove some of the bloat from your phone it get screwed. That's the issue.

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