This is our planet. We are responsible for her. It is our responsibility to pass this planet (Mother Earth) on to all the future generations of all the species that live on this planet in a condition that all can survive successfully in peace and harmony.

Who gave us the right to bury garbage as landfill and the decomposition of this waste may release chemicals that are toxic into our groundwater?

Man has caused directly or indirectly the extinction of more species on this planet than any other species. I believe that we are the only species that kills to eat, kills for sport, and kills for enjoyment. We are killing our own home which is this planet, If we are such a smart species, why can we not live in harmony with the other species without making them extinct as well as our selves?

Methane is 30 times more efficient at trapping the suns radiative heat than carbon dioxide over the time scale of a century. Their may be more CO2 in the atmosphere but by unit methane is the most destructive greenhouse gas This is a long term multi generational problem.

The Cow produces 95% of the methane produced. The 1.5 Billion cows on the planet and each and every one of them produces 39 ton 50 gallons of methane a day.

One solution is changing the diet of the human population on the planet and just how can that be done? How many of the 1.6 Billion cows could we eliminate? Goodbye big Mac ?

[size=34]We have a responsibility toward the other life-forms of our planet whose continued existence is threatened by the thoughtless behavior of our own human species. . . . Environmental responsibility – for if there is no God, then, obviously, it is up to us to put things right.- Jane Goodall [/size]

[size=35]Jane Goodall was an amazing advocate for those who can't speak for themselves...the animals, trees, and mother earth!!![/size]

At least he kept his inane spamming to one thread. Tell me DM why do you and mortox feel that you deserve others to respond to your posts with open and honest dialogue if you are not willing to return the favor? Someone replies to you and you respond with "well I would tell you but you need to figure it out" or "I am not going to share that". It's bullshit self aggandizing and you will get nowhere with it.

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I am open to any any thread based on the topic of the environment and this planet. I started with cows and the methane they produce as it is important because of global warming it causes. I had to start somewhere. No matter what I did someone would have something to say about it because they do not like me or the topic or maybe they loves cows. I can not please everyone nor do I intend to.

I Like beef myself and I beef but not nearly as much as I once did. This is more complicated than it seams. I will add information on the production of meat from the live stock livestock, poultry and other forms of protean.

I like the barbecue idea but I was thinking that the day is coming where the production of cows for beef will be substantially reduced in order to produce protean from other sources that are more efficient and produce less methane.

Worldwide, an estimated 2 billion people live primarily on a meat-based diet, while an estimated 4 billion live primarily on a plant-based diet. The food production system uses about 50% of the total land area, 80% of the fresh water, and 17% of the fossil energy used. The heavy dependence on fossil energy suggests that the food system, whether meat-based or plant-based, is not sustainable. The use of land and energy resources devoted to an average meat-based diet compared with a lactoovovegetarian (plant-based) diet. In both diets, the daily quantity of calories consumed were kept constant at about 3533 kcal per person. The meat-based food system requires more energy, land, and water resources than the lactoovovegetarian diet. In this limited sense, the lactoovovegetarian diet is more sustainable than the average American meat-based diet.

Both the meat-based diet and the lactoovovegetarian diet require significant quantities of nonrenewable fossil energy to produce. Thus, both food systems are not sustainable in the long term based on heavy fossil energy requirements. However, the meat-based diet requires more energy, land, and water resources than the lactoovovegetarian diet. In this limited sense, the lactoovovegetarian diet is more sustainable than the average meat-based diet.

The major threat to future survival and to global natural resources is rapid population growth. The population is projected to double by 2074, which will place greater stress on the already-limited supply of energy, land, and water resources. These vital resources will have to be divided among ever greater numbers of people.

Simply put in this century using the food production systems we use today their will be a food sustainability problem and it will be a gobal problem.

If both meat centered and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are unsustainable (even if one is less sustainable than the other), and since growing population is the major stressor, wouldn't a more effective approach lie in limiting population growth?

_________________"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious." - C.G. Jung

by Manu Today at 2:48 amIf both meat centered and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are unsustainable (even if one is less sustainable than the other), and since growing population is the major stressor, wouldn't a more effective approach lie in limiting population growth?

By DragonmasterYes I agree that the growing population is the major stressor and limiting population growth should be part of the solution. Developing food supplies that require less resources to produce could also be part of the solution

Manu wrote:If both meat centered and lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets are unsustainable (even if one is less sustainable than the other), and since growing population is the major stressor, wouldn't a more effective approach lie in limiting population growth?

Manu the man is either a simpleton or a troll. I suggest to not engage him at his rudimentary level.

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The information is on line and comes from reputably sources and is backed up by US Government Data and cross referenced. I can not help it that you are lazy and do not research anything for yourself. You troll others because you do not like what they have to say or you do not agree with them. You only obtain the knowledge you earn and deserve. You have done nothing to earn or deserve this knowledge.

Dragonmaster wrote:The information is on line and comes from reputably sources and is backed up by US Government Data and cross referenced. I can not help it that you are lazy and do not research anything for yourself. You troll others because you do not like what they have to say or you do not agree with them. You only obtain the knowledge you earn and deserve. You have done nothing to earn or deserve this knowledge.

Negative!

You postulate something here IT IS FOR YOU to present those facts when you are called out.

Forgive the very vulgar example, but it points out why.

Person 1: My dick is 12 inches.Person 2: Liar, prove it.

Now... is person 2 lazy... or is person one really in a position to expect person 2 to find proof to support person 1's position? Even if it is well documented on the internet?

Post your proof.

_________________"To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you cannot criticize" - Voltaire