Artist Guest of Honor: Bob Eggleton

Rev. 28-Apr-2000

Bob
Eggleton began his career as a science fiction artist in 1984 with
covers for Baen Books. He has since illustrated countless (well, not
literally countless, but lots and lots) of books and has done work
for such magazines as Astronomy and Sky and Telescope.
His technique uses dramatic
angles and dazzling colors to create scenes both dreamlike and starkly
realistic.

He has been nominated for the Best Professional Artist Hugo
in every year but one since 1988, and he received the Award in 1994,
1996 and 1997. He also also was nominated twice in the now-defunct Best
Original Artwork category (1992 and 1996) and has been the recipient of
numerous Chesley Awards (sponsored by the Association of Science Fiction
and Fantasy Artists). His other interests include Godzilla movies and
craters. We will soon post a series of photographs of Bob at some of the most famous craters in the world.

For Bob's latest work, take a look at Who's Afraid of Godzilla?
and Godzilla Likes to Roar, two children's books just published by
Random House [www].

Q: If Godzilla fought Marilyn Manson, who would win? (and, of course, the inevitable "why"?)

A: Now there's an image. Well, both are male and female at the same time,
Godzilla has a son/Godzilla Jr. from an egg that came from no one knows
where. In the New Godzilla movie, he/it lays a bunch of eggs. Marilyn
Manson supposedly has better legs than Godzilla... the breath though,
that's Godzilla's advantage. Sure both are loud... but Godzilla could fry
Manson in a second.

Q: What's all this 'Zilla shit, man? Why the fascination with the big bad lizard? Why not Gamera? Or Elvis?

A: Godzilla was my main hero. When I was young, I was picked on by a lot
of older kids, bullies, etc... so Godzilla in a sense, told me how to
defend myself. I once drop kicked this kid, right in the cohonies, and
then I pounced on him and did a Godzilla roar. He thought (as did school
administrators) I was psychotic. He didn't bother me again. But I credit
Godzilla with my early interest in SF and Fantasy. He was just a Stranger
in a Strange Land. Trapped in a world he never made. So here I am, 33
years later, painting Godzilla paperback covers, children's books and
even, are you ready... a coloring book! So much for "How will you ever
make a living from monster shit??"

Q: It is a well known fact that, just as one cannot make a living as a
writer (as everyone always told me), it is impossible to make a living as
an artist. What made you decide to brush aside all the warnings and dire
predictions and go ahead and make a living as an artist anyway?

A: I had A LOT of people tell me that. They wanted me to... conform, be
normal, be a "team player" (don't you just love that), we are Borg, all
that crap designed to sap your imagination. So the more people said it, the
more my reaction built up and I said, "to Hell with you!" I was determined
to be a SUCCESSFUL artist no matter what it took. People close to me, a
few (I stress FEW) teachers were encouraging and my Mom and Dad were
really encouraging, but cautious as parents are. One of my faults is that
I don't listen well (I'm working on it!) and back then I just did not
listen to those saying "Don't waste your time on art... it's not a real
job". To all the people who get "downsized" by these insidious mega
corporations... tell me what a "real job" is. They get let go, after
putting their soul into a company and they end up in debt, worried and
just feeling out of control of their lives. I tried that once. Once.

Q: How did you end up in Rhode Island? Do you think that shaped the artist
you became, the career you have had? Would Bob Eggleton have ended up
differently if he had gone to some other school?

A: Rhode Island. I was born in Massachusetts actually, from a somewhat
historic family originally known as Fairbanks/Fayerbanks (before they
invented the "i" letter). My thirteenth generation grandfather constructed
the first "A" frame house in America in Dedham, Mass. It's still there to
this day as an historic site. But my Dad moved us (I was an only child)
down to Rhode Island for job reasons. Here he invented the patent for the
Teflon Non-Stick pan (the process by which teflon is bonded to metal) for
a company which said out of the textbook "it could not be done." So then,
we moved to California during the height of Flower Power, etc... and after
about a year there, he had a job offer in Pennsylvania (Lancaster) so we
lived there for awhile and then, moved back to R.I. Schools. College
proved to me, like my father's ingenuity, one did not need a college
degree to be good at art. One needed desire, talent... and luck. But you
make your own luck in the long run. So I left college (my year and a half
only cost me $1800... I talk to grads that can't get jobs who owe houses to
banks. My mother instilled in me the idea of never getting in too much
debt.) Bob Eggleton would've gone to some other school and come to the
same conclusion. I briefly (and I mean for 15 minutes) considered the Air
Force at one point, 'cause I love planes... but I was told one did not just
join and jump right into an F-15. That was that. So Art it had to be.

Q: Airbrushing. I understand you had to back off from that technique for
health reasons. Was it really that bad? How did losing that option change
you, and your artwork? Do you miss it?

A: Airbrushing. When I started, I thought this thing was the cat's ass. It
was just perfect. But, really I never did THAT much airbrushing at all.
Most artists don't. Michael Whelan uses it sparingly and many people view
his work as "airbrushed" when he's just this great painter with a regular
brush. I started getting a cough, "chronic bronchitis" as my doctor put
it, so I was susceptible to all kinds of colds and flu, etc... it was like
a "smokers cough". I realized the misted paint (airbrushes aerosolize
paint particles) was into everything - my clothes, hair, books,
food, etc... and I just started feeling the work done with airbrushing was
just... fake looking. I looked at Jim Gurney's rich impastoed textures and
I longed for a less mechanical means. I do not miss fiddling with the
needle and parts to make it work... but my paintings now have a certain
something I like a lot. I like more of what I turn out than before, so
something changed for the good. The best moments occur when someone will
walk right in front of my new stuff and say "Hey Bob, where's your stuff?"
Some, a few clients have complained the newer work is "too sketchy and
loose". There is a tendency of late in cover work to do over-rendered
pieces. A lot of companies like it. But then, a lot of OTHER companies
like my new stuff. They are just paintings with more life in them. Danny
Flynn, an Irish SF artist who's a hell of a nice guy, looked at my stuff
at the World Fantasy Con and said "Makes me wanta throw out me airbrush!".
There's a vote of confidence.

Q: What was your first experience of Science Fiction? Who were your favorite authors/books growing up?

A: I loved the space program... I grew up in the heady days of Gemini and
Apollo, it grabbed me. Then, I found Star Trek. And 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
which, as a 9 year old, floored me. I was a complete geek then. Reading:
Classic stuff. H.G. Wells, Verne (Captain Nemo was a hero of mine),
Clarke... watching Ray Harryhausen and Godzilla films. And drawing all those
images. And I was a child of Forry's FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND (thanks
Forry, if I never said so).

Q: What was your first experience of cons/fandom?

A: Well, I never knew SF had cons until about... 1978. I went to a couple
of Star Trek cons and Boskone in Boston. At Boskone, I learned about a
Worldcon - Noreascon II, in fact, and I said, "I am going to go to this
and find other people like me" That was 1980. So I figured I would enter
some drawings in the art show. I actually sold them and made a fortune
(back then $200 was a lot of money) and won Best Amateur Monochrome
Artist. It was a gas.

Q: How did your SF experience warp your artistic career? Had you thought about other career tracks than the one you have followed?

A: It made me realize I could have my cake AND eat it WITH ice cream
too... I said to myself "WOW! I can have fun... and I can make a
living... having fun". And people liked me. In high school most people
respected my ability, but they thought I sucked in general (particularly
girls), cause I wasn't a jock or something.

A: Well, okay, let me get this straight. Once and for all. As we all knew
that was a strange year. It was for me... I was having gall bladder
attacks (pain.Pain.PAIN!) and I had done a summer of being "Gohonered"
going to all corners of American. Then, like halfway through the summer I
was like "OH shit! I never made my plans for Winnipeg". I had been to
Keycon, a great convention in Winnipeg, and jeezus... did Canadian Customs
give me the going over. All my artwork had "display" on letters and
paperwork and all, but the Goods and Services Tax was just something he
wouldn't let me around. He told me "Paperwork is meaningless... you could
sell it anyway, so you have to pay something." He let $10,000 worth of
art come through for $117.00 which I threw on the Now Famous Credit Card
(interestingly, the same one I used to pay for the flight to the Worldcon)
and Keycon paid me back, fortunately. Another time, the RCMP pulled me
into a Little White Room, hot lights, etc because I matched a "profile".
They were nice about it, Canadians usually are, which is why it was always
a weird experience. So, then I hear "hotels and flights are full... so is
the program" and then the idea of shipping my art to Fargo N.D. to be
brokered in... everything stacked against me. That's mainly the reason -
organization or, on my part, lack thereof.

Q: Is winning a Hugo really such a big deal? How about winning two Hugos? Three?

A: Well, yep. It's a lot of fun. There will always be That First One... and
seeing Jim Burns win it the following year, I could not have been happier
for him because he deserved it profusely. But when I flew up to Winnipeg
to get it... it was hysterical. Kevin Standlee said "We'll send it UPS".
Okay. I pictured this broken rocket arriving. I said "No, screw that, I'm
coming up to get it. Now." It was two things: I just was dying to hold it,
for real, and second, I wanted to somehow THANK everyone. And, when I get
there, John Mansfield shows me the award then says "We're taking it back!
And giving it to you at the Masquerade". And there I am, with George Barr
and Barry Longyear and the stage manager for the masquerade was saying
"Can you kill 10 minutes!?" So we did. In L.A., I had this gut
feeling... then I saw Mike Glyer grinning at me and several people who
produced the newsletter who could not look straight at me. I figured I
should be there. And in Texas... it was when Mitch Bentley said "WAIT! This
is the BEST HAIR award..." I was in hysterics and had to recover time so I
ran.

Q: Another Godzilla question: Are some people the Godzillas of the Hugo
awards? Do you think that fogies who have won scads of 'em should drop off
the ballot for a few years and let the young turks have a chance? Or will
the young turks get theirs anyway, once they've paid the dues?

A: You realize this is a tough question. And often asked... The award is
an award by the fans. It is just about the only major award in the field
(except for Comic's Eisner Awards) that is still left up to a popular
vote. Other awards, such as The WFC Award, are juried. No one should live
for them, but they are a way of making you feel you've made a mark. I do
not view Science Fiction as a business (more on that later!) but as a
field as a whole - something you give to and get something out of. And I
make a living within that context, in one way or another. I believe the
"young turks" get in there - I was a young turk - because everything
evolves and changes: Science fiction cons and fans are evolving and
changing. Writers and artists evolve and change... and you take your
glories as they come, or as they go by, but you move on. And always
believe the "next one" is the best one. While I look at my Three Rockets
every day, each one with their own special memory the fans helped make, I
look forward to all the great pictures still to paint.

Q: What's happening with 'Zilla now? How is the forthcoming movie ("Size Does Matter") affecting you career?

A: Okay. I have to be careful here. I am privy to things I can't discuss.
Classic Godzilla - the one we know and love since the 1954 movie - is
dead. He died in 1995 battling the monster Destroyer, and his inner
nuclear furnace melted down. His son, Godzilla Jr. absorbed most of the
radiation... but he's another story waiting to be told. The New Godzilla,
from director Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin (of ID4), is a different
creature... He's part lizard, part dinosaur... and can change his skin
color to match his surroundings. He's 22 stories high and is very fast on
his feet. No more thunder thighs. He's also realized via CGI and some
model work. The Classic Godzilla was a "man in a suit". This New Godzilla
takes getting used to - people will say "THAT'S Godzilla?" But... he grows
on you, like he did me. So I am doing a lot of merchandising work. The
best of both worlds - classic Godzilla books, etc and New Godzilla
coloring books (don't laugh, the money is actually good).

Q: Fandom. Many writers and artists seem to have a love/hate relationship
with the community. But everybody I know seems to think you're just this
great, bouncy, funfunfunfunfun Tigger of a guy. How do you do it?

A: Okay, hee, hee... this goes to what I said about SF not being a
business as much as something I'm "in" and "part of". Whatever I do:
painting pictures or doing panels or judging masquerades... I'm part of
this mind set. A whole bunch of Strangers In Stranger Lands... I am very
careful not to let my life get infiltrated by negative people, or negative
experiences. I walk around in a dream... but I turn it into a living. Dave
Kyle came up to me at Lonestarcon II and, I'll never forget this, he put
his arm around me, shook my hand and said something like "You're doing
what it's all about. I can say thanks from First Fandom". It was something
like that anyway... I was really misty eyed. At MagiCon, they did a
slideshow at the Hugos with the Dr Who theme and it had photos of all the
program book covers, the Hugo designs and photos of the Best Novel award
from 1953 onward... I knew this was really something I was part of that
was pretty special and would always go on. Sometimes though, I see
"politics" both on fan and pro levels. That pisses me off... for instance
I had the "wonderful" experience of being lectured by a couple of people,
at the last Worldcon, in regard to me being "Too young for all this
success... especially a Worldcon GoH invite". These people need major
lessons in thinking of others' feelings. Success is an abstract thing, not
linear. It can take time or it comes all at once. And you have to enjoy it
and thank the stars you are healthy enough to enjoy it... We've all been
affected by death and tragedy of late, so it's like Shakespeare said
"Seize the Day... now will never come again... make now the most precious
moment". I live that. And still others (some pros) accuse me of "not
having a life". Well, if having a life is not having any FUN... I feel
sorry for them. I always donate little sketches and give some of me back
to the SF community because it's fun to do. Some won't because they'll be
"seen as giving themselves away in front of paying publishers". I just
don't worry about it, and hope the sketch brings joy to someone. That's
money enough.

Q: The hair. What are you, some kinda goddam hippy or what?

A: I am actually a very conservative guy. I am a "logical contradiction in
terms." It's very hard to figure me out. That is why, generally, I
stopped. But then I read Heinlein was also a walking contradiction... and
if I get compared to the Master... what the Hell? My half brother, who died
at 41 (I'm 37 - like I said, Seize the Day) had hair much like mine, in
fact my Aunt has a hard time seeing me because at first glance... and she
knew him best I think. The hair suits my character right now. I'm related
to Douglas Fairbanks Jr., too; it looks good when I swing from
chandeliers. Really, I'm pretty down to Earth most of the time. No
artificial flavors... or substances. No drugs, intensely opposed in fact.
Science Fiction colors my dreams far more than chemicals would or could.

20 Years

by Bob Eggleton

This past November, I attended my 20th year High School reunion. I had a lot
of misgivings about High School. I wasn't into sports and my grades were
okay but I wasn't in any honors clubs. My main goal in High School was to
simply graduate and go out and work, which I did more or less. Twenty years
gives anyone a bit of a history, enough to be nostalgic. I went expecting
nothing, and ended up having a terrific time and staying quite late! I
caught up with a lot of people. The best questions I got all night were:

"Bob, did you ever do anything with that art of yours???"

"Bob, are you still into all that sci-fi stuff???"

"Bob, how many years did it take to get your hair that long???"

I managed to talk with as many people as I could see, a lot of 70's music
was played, and it was more or less like a wonderful soak in the warm
waters of nostalgic memories of what was for me, given the recent High
School incident at Columbine, a simpler carefree time when all one worried
about was making enough pocket money for comic books. (All I could think
about were the words to column written by Chicago Tribune journalist Mary
Schmich entitled "Wear Sunscreen" and made into a terrific "talk- song" by
Australian Baz Lurhmann I suggest you go and buy that CD - it's really well
done)

It got me thinking that science fiction is much the same way. At Chicon 2000
I will be able to celebrate 20 years in Science Fiction Fandom. I have
attended 15 Worldcons in that time (as well as countless regionals) and
have seen each one as a reunion. Not everyone goes to every Worldcon. I have
known people who don't attend many for years at a stretch. When they come
back, it's as if they never left because often a conversation picks up
where it's left off. It's nice to see and hear about what people have done,
whether it's from one year to the next, or ten years. The World SF Con is a
reunion for SF fans - because pros or not - we are all fans. Science
Fiction has a wonderful past, and a past which is also the future in the
same breath. Recently, I was given the commissions of doing covers for
re-issues of books by E.E. "Doc" Smith, James Schmitz and Fredric Brown. I
feel quite honored to be doing covers for books by three legends in the
field. It's hopefully my part in a larger one of keeping these writer's
works available for all to enjoy. And while when one thinks of SF as often
cold and technical, it's that warm and fuzzy feeling that The Worldcon is
all about.

WHILE I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION
- I can heartily recommend a couple of books
just out that pay a lot of tribute in words and, especially pictures and
art to science fiction. The first book is Science Fiction Of The 20th
Century by Frank M. Robinson (Collectors Press). This is a terrific look
back at science fiction literature, art and media, full of great magazine
and book covers from the 20th century. Time machines don't exist, but this
is pretty darn close. The second book is The Frank Collection by Jane and
Howard Frank (Paper Tiger Books) which is a published testament to the
largest private collection of F&SF art in the world. While much attention
is paid to modern works it's the viewing of past masters works: J Allen
St.John, Virgil Finlay, Hannes Bok and others that makes the book so
absorbing. The text, written by Howard and Jane, is Pure Frank all the way.