Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

Yeah ...

chemtards go on and on and on about under 10,000 feet.

I've NEVER seen any.

Chemtards are KNOWN for being really bad at judging altitude.

Quoting: G. House

Don't be so presumptuous. i get paid big money for my expertise in spatial time speed judgement. The industry i work in is closely related to the aeronautical industry. I live near an international airport. I know the approach lanes and altitudes. And i also fly as a hobby. My judgement is sound.

Besides all that the only fuel and technology changes the airlines have made since the 70's has been to clean emissions. Chemtrails did not exist in the 70's and they certainly should not exist now.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

Yeah ...

chemtards go on and on and on about under 10,000 feet.

I've NEVER seen any.

Chemtards are KNOWN for being really bad at judging altitude.

Quoting: G. House

Don't be so presumptuous. i get paid big money for my expertise in spatial time speed judgement. The industry i work in is closely related to the aeronautical industry. I live near an international airport. I know the approach lanes and altitudes. And i also fly as a hobby. My judgement is sound.

Besides all that the only fuel and technology changes the airlines have made since the 70's has been to clean emissions. Chemtrails did not exist in the 70's and they certainly should not exist now.

OP is either a fool in denial or a paid shill.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

No...

YOU are obviously some sort of disinformation shill or just ignorant of the physics involved.

AND... ASSHOLE!

I saw my first contrail that went horizon to horizon in 1959.

Contrails have been observed documented and discussed since the VERY EARLY days of high altitude flight.

If YOU are not aware of this you are either IGNORANT of things aviation or again some sort of disinformation shill.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

clouds can be above and below contrails and contrails can be above and below clouds.

Is there something wrong with your thinking process?

Quoting: G. House

A certain state of water vapor? You mean solid, liquid, or gas? Do you even know what you are talking about?

Clouds form when air is cooled to it's dew point, so depending on the dew point will determine at what elevation the clouds form. Not only that clouds form by air RISING so how is there a chemtrail ABOVE the clouds if the air is RISING?

clouds can be above and below contrails and contrails can be above and below clouds.

Is there something wrong with your thinking process?

Quoting: G. House

A certain state of water vapor? You mean solid, liquid, or gas? Do you even know what you are talking about?

Clouds form when air is cooled to it's dew point, so depending on the dew point will determine at what elevation the clouds form. Not only that clouds form by air RISING so how is there a chemtrail ABOVE the clouds if the air is RISING?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6035221

Not only that but if the jet exhaust is what is creating the "contrail" aka water vapor, how would the dew points of 2 different jets be so far off?

clouds can be above and below contrails and contrails can be above and below clouds.

Is there something wrong with your thinking process?

Quoting: G. House

A certain state of water vapor? You mean solid, liquid, or gas? Do you even know what you are talking about?

Clouds form when air is cooled to it's dew point, so depending on the dew point will determine at what elevation the clouds form. Not only that clouds form by air RISING so how is there a chemtrail ABOVE the clouds if the air is RISING?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6035221

Well I said that because of how the poster framed his post.

A contrail consists of ice crystals not actually water VAPOR. So a contrail actually consists of very finely dispersed solids.

If you want to attack me about a lack of knowledge perhaps you should look into my history of posting on the subject.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

It's quite simple really if you have any grasp of the physics involved.

What YOU people call classic "chemtrails"?

That go on for miles and miles and miles?

Use YOUR friggen brain.

An aircraft CAN NOT CARRY anywhere near the amount of material needed to make trails the sizes you claim.

What is happening is that moisture ALREADY IN THE air is changing state and becomes visible.

Ever watch one of the large C-130 fire fighting aircraft?

Specially made to carry large loads and fly short distances.

When it dumps it's load how much area does it cover? Half a mile?

Wake up!!

You've been duped by hoaxters.

Trying to cling to such idiotic claims just shows how ignorant you are of aviation and physics.

Sorry to be so blunt but that's the way it is.

Quoting: G. House

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

watching the "run up" to the elections and the "hopes and dreams" that are built as a result is like watching a dead mouse that is still able to make his exercise wheel go around because his nerves are still twitching that familiar motion...

clouds can be above and below contrails and contrails can be above and below clouds.

Is there something wrong with your thinking process?

Quoting: G. House

A certain state of water vapor? You mean solid, liquid, or gas? Do you even know what you are talking about?

Clouds form when air is cooled to it's dew point, so depending on the dew point will determine at what elevation the clouds form. Not only that clouds form by air RISING so how is there a chemtrail ABOVE the clouds if the air is RISING?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6035221

Well I said that because of how the poster framed his post.

A contrail consists of ice crystals not actually water VAPOR. So a contrail actually consists of very finely dispersed solids.

If you want to attack me about a lack of knowledge perhaps you should look into my history of posting on the subject.

Quoting: G. House

I'm not attacking you, and I am the same poster who asked the question. I am simply asking for abnormalities to be cleared up. You seem to be convinced they don't exist, so I assume you can explain the physics of things happening that shouldn't happen.

Re: Why the chemtrail HOAX is the most ridiculous conspiracy on the net.

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

That's all good OP but what about the trails at altitudes of 10,000 feet or less? Not cold enough there to make ice crystals. Plus contrails don't start and stop abruptly and hang in the sky for hours and hours spreading out for miles. Your ignorance of technology should embarass you. I personally have witnessed jets at very low altitudes, 6000 feet, spraying an obvious chemical trail, then abruptly turn that mechanism off.

Also i know two commercial airline pilots whom I've asked about this phenomenon. One refused to talk about it and the other said 'i don't know what THEY are doing'. One flies for SW and the other for United.

And the University of Arizona chartered a plane, went up and took air samples inside of a contrail, and measured aluminum and barium particles that don't just magically exist in our atmosphere. Their work is thoroughly documented.

So i guess you can gag on my peter whenever you are ready.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

Yeah ...

chemtards go on and on and on about under 10,000 feet.

I've NEVER seen any.

Chemtards are KNOWN for being really bad at judging altitude.

Quoting: G. House

Don't be so presumptuous. i get paid big money for my expertise in spatial time speed judgement. The industry i work in is closely related to the aeronautical industry. I live near an international airport. I know the approach lanes and altitudes. And i also fly as a hobby. My judgement is sound.

Besides all that the only fuel and technology changes the airlines have made since the 70's has been to clean emissions. Chemtrails did not exist in the 70's and they certainly should not exist now.

OP is either a fool in denial or a paid shill.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18717299

No...

YOU are obviously some sort of disinformation shill or just ignorant of the physics involved.

AND... ASSHOLE!

I saw my first contrail that went horizon to horizon in 1959.

Contrails have been observed documented and discussed since the VERY EARLY days of high altitude flight.

If YOU are not aware of this you are either IGNORANT of things aviation or again some sort of disinformation shill.

Quoting: G. House

Better switch to decaf broham. This has nothing to do with contrails. Nobody denies contrails.

This is about low altitude CHEMtrails that i see every day. I track chemical-spraying planes on my ARPA radar every damn day. I can plot and track their speed, heading, and altitude.

Why is it that i can plot two jets at the same altitude with one having a quick dispersing contrail that evaporates while the other has a trail that lingers in the air for 8 to 12 hours and eventually spreads out to form a cloud cover that engulfs the entire visible horizon.

I am not a shill. I just have common sense. I know what i see. To me it is blatantly obvious. I figure it's only a matter of time before everyone else comes to their senses. Some of you suffer from cognitive dissonance.

Chemtrails are very real. Jets have been filmed spraying on approach for god sake. Sorry if you didn't research enough.