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Give Moyes a new contract

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Ive seen enough to believe he's the right man to take us forward. I was skeptical initially but this looks a lot like the Moyes who spent 11 years at Everton. They were mixed seasons there sure, but overall he did a solid job. Ive liked his hard work approach, he keeps things simple, gets players fit and doesnt stand for nonsense. The board were skeptical too, hence the short term contract but i believe they should now assess it again and give him a 3 year deal. this will stabilise the club, it will send a message that he's here to stay, the players will know it and so too those he tries to bring in this window. My assessment is : good job done David, keep it up.

Like most other westham fans i was underwhelmed at his appointment but TBF to him hes doing a good job & like you say the best part for me is he stands for no nonsense...have sugo got a plan to keep him in place after 6 months?we would hope so!

I’ve got to disagree guys, sorry. Not for me. What is the point of football to the paying supporter anymore? Barring a couple of clubs it’s not much fun is it? My family are 4 generations of West Ham fans and paying punters. They would go to Football to escape the drudgery of normal life. It was classed as entertainment. Owners and players felt a responsibility to entertain. It was escapism. Now Football is run for owners, players, agents, tv viewers, advertisers, corporations and tourists. Not for the paying fans. We can’t change allegiances, as that’s a no no, if we could we’d also support Man City! So having these managers like Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis, Hodgson, Hughes etc.... we now have the footballing version of a boxer tucking behind his gloves and throwing a punch every other round. Having gone to Wembley on Thursday I can only say apart from Obiang’s hit and hope, we were woeful. Totally parked the bus and couldn’t even get out of the garage for 2 mins. I’d rather have a go and if I’m honest, if we go down because of it we go down. We have before and come back so what? For me being in the Prem is not as imprtanat as watching my team play well or try and attack. So thanks David but no thanks. Or tell me which games you’re going to park the bus and I’ll give them a miss

was it better watching arsenal put 5 past us under bilic? or man u 4? or brighton 3? was it ok to 'pay' to see that? moyes job is to,get points. this isnt,a team he built. your saying its ok to go down, sure it is but then you say come back up? whats point of that? just to come up weaker? you seem to forget the,prem league isnt a 'show' purely,for entertainment, those would,be west end shows where you,pay to be entertained. its a competition for points. right now if we'd played nice neat attacking football just to entertain we'd have lost to chelsea, spurs, arsenal and been 5 points worse off. the prem league is what it is, but we cant change it to be more even financially. you either compete anyway you can or stay out of it like leeds or forest and deteriorate. ironically those clubs strive for it, for the money

Sorry it’s not about points for me, it’s still supposed to be a sport. Sport is about competition and trying your best to win. That’s why there is sport. The TV companies and sponsors want it to be about points and eeking our way through a season. Then Martin Tyler can erupt in orgasm when the favourite scores and wins. This concept of playing not to lose is crap, for me as a paying punter. Travelling logistics costs, standing in the freezing cold, watching my team try not to lose or lose by too many, I don’t like it. Maybe from the comfort of your living rooms it’s ok, it’s a scalp, it’s one in the eye for the big clubs, but honestly yes I’d rather lose having a go, than cowering in the corner. My point about going down was that if you play well and win you come up. TBH I’ve always supported WH teams in the last 40 years that sit somewhere in the lower half of the top flight, and the top half of the league below. Apart from a 3rd,5th and a few 7ths, I don’t see anything different now. We are where we are but at least give the fans something to enjoy

If i was a paying customer (& i have been a few times this season) watching the everton game away,the spuds game up to obiangs goal & especially that dross yesterday i would be peed off too.We all know the situation regarding being in the prem but wouldnt it be nice to see a bit of entertaining football!!He was a snake payet but we dont half miss a player of his flair (although TBF i enjoy watching arnie play & hope he can keep his form up)...
Watching it in the comfort of our homes is hard enough,but spare a thought for our loyal fans who go to every game.

Its not a case of cowering in the corner.......its tactics.We had to get something from that game,every game now,and as previously stated it is down to points.Moyes inherited these players and they certainly are not up to handling Kane ,Ali and co on the break,what supporter in the right mind would of wanted to see a 6 nil at least drubbing,it was the only way forward,so ten out of ten to Moyes and Pearces defensive mastery.Im a season ticket holder,and have been going for forty eight years,and have seen all the crap imaginable,if you don't get the points,however way you do it,you will just drop through the floor,the premier league is the bread and butter,and with out the money coming in to strengthen you will fall even further.

sorry mate sounds like brainwashing from Sky Sports to me. Football is Football why is the Prem bread and butter? I'm not saying I don't understand why we employ these tactics , I'm saying I don't like them. You may be happy to sit and watch your team have one shot on target, I'm not, that's all. How do you know we' lose 6-0? Burnley didn't when they went there with 2 up top. If these teams are so far beyond , maybe we're in the wrong league. Audley Harrison fighting Haye is what we remind me off. We're gonna get beat eventually, the longer we stay on our feet the more money we'll get. But actually that's ok if we spend the money on better players, but that doesn't happen either. Newcastle at home, crap team can'y buy a win, what do we do go and treat them like Barcelona. West Ham v West Brom, total dross, from two poor sides, fearing to lose as much as fearing to win. Whats' the f***ing point?

I can see both Betty's and dicksies side of the coin. Call me an old romantic but I'm largely on Betty's side of the fence. I want to be entertained! I'm happy for the odd game of digging in and ATM I can give Moyes a free pass. I do however expect a hell of a lot more entertainment than we are already offering if he stays on. We are totally brainwashed by media, board and the football powers at every turn. ATM we aren't even worth watching down the pub. I would rather play entertaining football in the championship than carry on like we are.

Yes dicksy but that's a different story. If we are gona have crap football regardless then it might as well be in the prem, but I won't be going if it stays the same. I feel sorry for my son and the next generation!

but its about points to a lot of fans who go and watch. i knew the 'comfort of your home' would come up, but it means little tbh as there are what 40k watching from us at home these days? some may think the way you do sure, it was the same with allardyce, but i believe a lot are more patient, patient enough to say that Moyes has been there what 3 months? and so to expect some sort of 'entertainment value' over results is imo a bit too much. you pay to watch, good for you mate, you don't like it then you need to assess your personal reasons for going no problem there, but I'm suggesting that the stadium will still be 40k plus if we're in the prem as compared to 20k down the champs? you honestly can't expect a manager to 'give you something to enjoy' when his job is on the line can you? no club owner will tell him 'oh don't worry you won't be sacked if you play good football but lose and get relegated'. the way i see it, he's got a job to do and that job is to get points, you say 'its not about points' but I'm afraid to the board and the manager, and the players it is because as you say …its a sport and they are competing for points not entertainment. i would like great football just like the rest, but the playing field is not even, i understand that and now more so than ever, you have to find a way to get points. i believe moyes will change it slightly as he goes along, its way too soon now to judge. I guess it comes down to what you want to 'pay for'. if its just entertainment by way of football style or entertainment from watching the team get points. and for those that want both (all of us), the reality is its just not easy. swansea used to do it to an extent and bournemouth but now they are desperately trying to stay up. you could argue that losing football is also 'not good to watch' no matter how much bravado going forward the players show.

But you're point in the middle is my point, "you say 'its not about points' but I'm afraid to the board and the manager, and the players it is because as you say …its a sport and they are competing for points not entertainment." They're the only ones not paying or having to spend time to watch it!!!! There the only ones taking vulgar extortionate wages to play in to, own it and manage it. Their remit for the game is totally different to ours. Yet if we all stopped going the paying punters watching at home wouldn't like that either. The team plays poorly, the manager and players blame the fans for not creating an atmosphere, try that in an empty stadium. I think we averaged 26000 at the Boleyn the last time we went down, maybe more, why would it be 20k in the OS? Your point about a manager and his job etc... again all comes down to money. They don't want to lose their job because they don't want to lose the money. if they loved the game that much they'd take a lower league job and try and build something special, but that doesn't pay the mortgage. It's all about money, nothing else. And everyone involved in it from owners, to staff, to players, to sponsors, to corporates, to tv rights blah blah are all taking money. And the only mugs spending money are us the fans!!!! But we need to be content with their agenda, because it makes them happy! BTW I'm not talking about style , I'm talking about trying to win and compete.

so you agree then, in this money funded world of top flight football…this is what is required. glad we agree on that, lol. i think its a bit of dreamy delusion if you think other people will take up your 'love' of the game to the extent they will throw away big money, to go and play for the 'love of the game'…would you do it…in all seriousness? we are trying to compete, that is the whole purpose of defending against the sides with better players than you…its common sense really. if you try and compete on a level playing field, you will get the guardiola's and wengers praising you to the high stands…only of course after their wonderful players have been able to show off their skills at your expense.

sorry Dicksy I'm not sure we're watching the same team. I think you're suggesting that we defend for our lives against the big teams. I'm saying we do it against EVERYBODY! Shrewsbury that wonderful football giant, why not go out and have a crack at them? for the sake of the travelling fans and the reputation of your great club, that pays you stupid money to run around in a track suit and talk to Gabby Logan. Why not say f*** it lets have a go? No we go up there , on TV as well so the world can see how crap we are and play not to lose. Do I need to go through all the other games? I acknowledge that money runs football, I don't agree with it. Whilst the money is there of course they'll take it, but again it only lessens "our " importance in the game. in years to come they'll find out a way of CGI-ing a crowned in with noise and they won't need us I suppose

i don't believe we set out for a draw against Bournemouth? not from what i saw. or newcastle? we played rubbish against both but not because we were 'defending for our lives', on the contrary it was the defending that was absent. i think its easy to get carried away, we've seen the alamo at man c, and now apparently thats what we do every game but we beat chelsea, frustrated arsenal and had chances in both those games (we beat chelsea as it was). i agree we need to operate more on the front foot against the similar sides, and I'm sure moyes agrees, but Bilic was doing that and we were losing the brighton etc anyway. the cup tie yesterday was a disappointment, agreed. but the line up was flooded with players who've never played senior games before. the real issue here though is that football is rubbish altogether now. we've discussed that before, and i agree wholeheartedly its a packaged up box of prancing actors..but we have to make the best of it i guess.

it's a shame as ai said before we can't change allegiances. I've been watching the odd non league game recently, it's so much better. It's proper sport. regardless of budgets etc... team just get stuck in and there's a lot of skill and good play out there

yes, its two matched up teams, bodes well for a good game. i bet the atmosphere at those grounds is so much better too…pissing down on the mud patch pitch, players still trying to make a back heal here and there…back in the 80's thats what it was like all throughout the leagues as i recall. the gap between top and bottom was nowhere near what it is today. clough taking forest from nowhere to european glory…i agree with you, those days were just better. but its gone, not through our fault, but its dead. what we have now is teams buying glory, all this guardiola is a genius crap…genius at what? buying players? its laughable.

mate you've not seen the way he gets out a cheque bought and signs it. Absolute quality. Man City, UTD, Chelski, Spurs, Liverpool and Arksnal, should just go into a Euro League, with 3 spanish teams, 3 italian, 2 german, 2 french, 1 dutch 1 belgium, 1 portugese, 1 russian and leave the domestic stuff to all the other teams

And that sums it up....................Money has killed off the wonderful competative game,thats why points matter so much to stay at the top flight,played ugly or not,for the tactitions even pscychologists.

This is it DITM. i want to see us play some good football, and at times under Moyes we have played some decent stuff when everyones fit, but I keep seeing people tell me its even more boring then Bilic. Its almost like people forget Bilics past 18 months and just go off his 1st season. The football under him was boring, dreadful and lead us to getting battered constantly by teams like brighton and newcastle. Moyes has only been in the job a couple months. Hes brought back the work ethic, team shape, and got our record signing on form, had we kept Bilic we wouldve gone down, and apart from Moyes and Pardew I don't see who else wouldve taken over after Bilic. Im not clamouring for Moyes long term, but I do think he deserves some benefit of the doubt when it comes to how we're playing, especially considering our best players have been injured.

Betty I'm not excepting anything. For me it's always been about entertainment. If I'm not being entertained I'm not spending my money on the club. I admire the fans who sit through that sh1t. I couldn't. They do it because the club is bigger than it's currently giving them. Ultimately tho Sullivan is killing the bigger picture, he runs it his way and not the West Ham way. I don't have the infinity to him, he is screwing us over, and the family is breaking up. It's more of a team now and less of a club. There is no way this man is a West Ham fan, he is killing all we hold dear.

Bang on there Dicksy, couldn't agree more. Let's get him on board and go from there, we need stability and he seems to like us. I'm really not frightened of anyone now. Bring on the Lilywhites any time. Kane was crap and resorted to whinging at the ref (never seen that before) Oi Kane! Shut y' mouwff, no literally try to shut your mouth. (is he Beavis or Butthead? I'm never sure which one's which) Deli Ali was shite. We brought their shitty little club down to earth, again. They really must hate playing us. Had one shot, we've only had one shot... Classic

Is make the players understand from the very start is that he is the man what he says goes if you don't run you don't get picked if your out of form you get dropped no matter who you are....players now no where they stand and on the contract front when hearing that moyes said he would take a long hard look at snodgrass in the summer before making a decision on him well that kind of tells you he will be here for a while longer than his 6 months contract.

Moyes has done alright in my opinion. I often find myself agreeing with him and he seems like he says it as it is. I think he deserves to be allowed to bring his own men in in January. As far as making him permanent manager I'd just like to hold off a little longer as I want to see his team put away the points against some of the teams around us.

bear in mind also though, who would we get in instead? Benitez isn't the manager he was, nowhere near anymore so the options are back to the usual suspects. id rather stick with Moyes now he's here and let him build something rather than change it for Hughes, Pardew, Monk etc.

I'd like to see where we finish and who becomes available, but I wouldn't be against him. Unlike some I don't think the likes of Marco Silva would do much better. But it all depends on what Moyes is allowed in the transfer window. I don't think we will sign anyone this window to be honest.

Hes steadied a sinking ship...in fact against tottenham before obiangs goal the football from us was as bad as ive seen in a long time.granted we were defending for our lives but the constant hoofing (remember who invented that!!) to no one was painfull to watch!we got a point at tottenham which is not to be sniffed at considering our position,but if you want the westham way again you may have a long wait!!

I didnt think we played all that bad considering we were playing (and i hate to say this )one of the best structured passing sides in the prem ,i must say i expected a lot worse when the side was announced, sure there was a lot of hoofing but what do you expect? ,young Deco playing his heart out must have been very nervous as did the rest of the defence it was a kind of one off our usual formation wiped out mainly due to an injury to one player ,i dont think moyes had much choice but to play chic pea and later Ayew up front as cannon foder ,there was a lot of decent passing especially from Arthur and lanz leading up to the goal .
This is going to be a long drawn out prosses it will take years to get where we would all prefer to be ,the so called west ham way might have to wait until we slowly build our club again ,right now its prem survival,im pretty sure everyones expectations when we moved were. Fantastic now we're going to be ranked with the big boys ,top 4s ,Europian football all within a couple of years ,unfortunately fate took a hand and we were forced to play away for the first 4 and we too some almighty poundings add to that we had a manager who wasnt up to the job and the nervousness set in nearly destroying us ,now we've got some great results ,a pretty competent manager and a feeling that maybe ,just maybe the worst might be over

You missed all the hoofing to that midget Chico against Tottenham? At least Sam put a big fella up there to collect 'em, and no, Mr Allardyce didn't invent the hoof, I guess you've forgotten the old Wimbledon team that played top flight football back in the day. Talking of sinking ships, remember also that Sam took over a sunken ship and rebuilt it form scratch into a consolidated Premier League team. But no. that wasn't good enough. You all wanted to play the West Ham Way and look where that got us. So now we are here with Moyes playing some of the most defensive football I've seen in my time here, with a squad of players that shouldn't even BE in the bottom half of the table and oh! Thats ok, we need to play that way because we're struggling.
Going by the criteria Dicksy has outlined for his love of Moyes, we got rid of one that had all those credentials. And HE wasn't good enough!