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Logician

I have a JV-1080 with "world" and "pop" cards installed.
So far, I haven't been able to find a way to access the patches inside the cards.
I created a MIDi instrument but how can I access the sound cards?

Logician

To rwdillon:
You need to first get a conceptual overview of what you can and can't do.

Logic can only instruct the 1080 what patches to load - and it does this by sending bank and program messages. Logic is not able to get patch names from the 1080 or "see" what cards are installed - you have to configure this yourself.

Way back in the days of Emagic Logic, there was an app called SoundDiver (SD) which was a librarian and editor for hardware synths. SD could "talk" to Logic in those days and could transfer all the names of patch banks to Logic, which was very quick and easy. Nowadays, you have to achieve this in other ways.

You might find another patch editor/librarian app which will fetch all the patch names from the 1080. Alternatively, you could look on the web for lists of these patch names. Worst case - you have to type them in manually, one by one.

Where to put them?
You need to make a Multi-Instrument in Logic's Environment:
Go to the local [New] menu and choose [Multi-Instrument]
Click on each channel number in the block (1-16) to activate them.

Then, double-click on the header area of the multi and a new window will open. This is where the patch names go. It will default to General MIDI names. Click on the [Options] button and choose [Init names as numbers] to clear these names.

You'll see a menu called Bank Message which you click and hold to get a pop-up menu. Select [Roland JV-1080] - this will send the correct bank messages.

Then you need to enter the patch names. As I said, you can enter them manually one by one or if you have a list of the names, you can copy and paste them in blocks. Note that Bank 0 will be your first bank if Internal presets. As I recall, each card will take up 2 banks of names.

Then, in your arrange track, you check the Program box, then select a bank number and program change number. Try this to see if you get the right program changes on the 1080.

I have a 2080 with various cards, including the World Card, so if you want that patch list, send me a private message and I'll mail the list to you.

Logician

To rwdillon:
You need to first get a conceptual overview of what you can and can't do.

Logic can only instruct the 1080 what patches to load - and it does this by sending bank and program messages. Logic is not able to get patch names from the 1080 or "see" what cards are installed - you have to configure this yourself.

Way back in the days of Emagic Logic, there was an app called SoundDiver (SD) which was a librarian and editor for hardware synths. SD could "talk" to Logic in those days and could transfer all the names of patch banks to Logic, which was very quick and easy. Nowadays, you have to achieve this in other ways.

You might find another patch editor/librarian app which will fetch all the patch names from the 1080. Alternatively, you could look on the web for lists of these patch names. Worst case - you have to type them in manually, one by one.

Where to put them?
You need to make a Multi-Instrument in Logic's Environment:
Go to the local [New] menu and choose [Multi-Instrument]
Click on each channel number in the block (1-16) to activate them.

Then, double-click on the header area of the multi and a new window will open. This is where the patch names go. It will default to General MIDI names. Click on the [Options] button and choose [Init names as numbers] to clear these names.

You'll see a menu called Bank Message which you click and hold to get a pop-up menu. Select [Roland JV-1080] - this will send the correct bank messages.

Then you need to enter the patch names. As I said, you can enter them manually one by one or if you have a list of the names, you can copy and paste them in blocks. Note that Bank 0 will be your first bank if Internal presets. As I recall, each card will take up 2 banks of names.

Then, in your arrange track, you check the Program box, then select a bank number and program change number. Try this to see if you get the right program changes on the 1080.

I have a 2080 with various cards, including the World Card, so if you want that patch list, send me a private message and I'll mail the list to you.

Hey Colin. I'm Brett...I'm new to this site and the JV-1080. I picked it up the other day and I love it so far but I haven't configured it with my logic yet. I have the Super Sound Set, Techno and Dance cards. I read your directions but I was hoping that maybe you could help me further in figuring this out. I think it might help if I understood exactly how it was gonna work once its connected to my logic. A private message or reply would be greatly appreciated.
I followed your directions with success until this:
You lost me at the arrange track and program box. I couldn't find a program box to check.

I am a logic newbie...3 1/2 months in...I don't know what these terms mean either "logic environment" "bank message" and thats probably hindering this process as well...I don't mind taking the time to type each sounds name in individually. I just wanna get moving with the JV's sounds.

I should probably mention that my goal is to use the JV's sounds to assign them to my midi tracks in logic that are already programmed.
I will also want to use my midi keyboard with the jv as well but lets take it one step at a time lol.

Logician

i should also mention that when i got as far as i did and set it up to the point before the program box, all the names from the jv showed up...so i wasnt sure if i should hit the innit thingy and retype them all again

Administrator

I am a logic newbie...3 1/2 months in...I don't know what these terms mean either "logic environment" "bank message" and thats probably hindering this process as well...I don't mind taking the time to type each sounds name in individually. I just wanna get moving with the JV's sounds.

These are areas of Logic that (sorry) it really is best to get to grips with by reading the manual. If there are parts that you don't understand there, then is the best time to ask more specific questions here and I'm sure you'll get some very helpful answers.

In the Logic 8 manual; there's a whole section on the Environment, but specifically you need p 880.

Logician

Hi Colin. I hope you are still following this thread.
I have followed the instructions below and created an environment for my JV-1080. However, it only shows on the library list of the project where I created the environment. Once I open another project, the environment (JV-1080 with manually inputed patch names) does not appear in that library list.

How do I get Logic to see my new external unit in every project I open?

To rwdillon:
You need to first get a conceptual overview of what you can and can't do.

Logic can only instruct the 1080 what patches to load - and it does this by sending bank and program messages. Logic is not able to get patch names from the 1080 or "see" what cards are installed - you have to configure this yourself.

Way back in the days of Emagic Logic, there was an app called SoundDiver (SD) which was a librarian and editor for hardware synths. SD could "talk" to Logic in those days and could transfer all the names of patch banks to Logic, which was very quick and easy. Nowadays, you have to achieve this in other ways.

You might find another patch editor/librarian app which will fetch all the patch names from the 1080. Alternatively, you could look on the web for lists of these patch names. Worst case - you have to type them in manually, one by one.

Where to put them?
You need to make a Multi-Instrument in Logic's Environment:
Go to the local [New] menu and choose [Multi-Instrument]
Click on each channel number in the block (1-16) to activate them.

Then, double-click on the header area of the multi and a new window will open. This is where the patch names go. It will default to General MIDI names. Click on the [Options] button and choose [Init names as numbers] to clear these names.

You'll see a menu called Bank Message which you click and hold to get a pop-up menu. Select [Roland JV-1080] - this will send the correct bank messages.

Then you need to enter the patch names. As I said, you can enter them manually one by one or if you have a list of the names, you can copy and paste them in blocks. Note that Bank 0 will be your first bank if Internal presets. As I recall, each card will take up 2 banks of names.

Then, in your arrange track, you check the Program box, then select a bank number and program change number. Try this to see if you get the right program changes on the 1080.

I have a 2080 with various cards, including the World Card, so if you want that patch list, send me a private message and I'll mail the list to you.

Logician

Hi Colin. I hope you are still following this thread.
I have followed the instructions below and created an environment for my JV-1080. However, it only shows on the library list of the project where I created the environment. Once I open another project, the environment (JV-1080 with manually inputed patch names) does not appear in that library list.

How do I get Logic to see my new external unit in every project I open?

Logician

Logician

To rwdillon:
You need to first get a conceptual overview of what you can and can't do.

Logic can only instruct the 1080 what patches to load - and it does this by sending bank and program messages. Logic is not able to get patch names from the 1080 or "see" what cards are installed - you have to configure this yourself.

Way back in the days of Emagic Logic, there was an app called SoundDiver (SD) which was a librarian and editor for hardware synths. SD could "talk" to Logic in those days and could transfer all the names of patch banks to Logic, which was very quick and easy. Nowadays, you have to achieve this in other ways.

You might find another patch editor/librarian app which will fetch all the patch names from the 1080. Alternatively, you could look on the web for lists of these patch names. Worst case - you have to type them in manually, one by one.

Where to put them?
You need to make a Multi-Instrument in Logic's Environment:
Go to the local [New] menu and choose [Multi-Instrument]
Click on each channel number in the block (1-16) to activate them.

Then, double-click on the header area of the multi and a new window will open. This is where the patch names go. It will default to General MIDI names. Click on the [Options] button and choose [Init names as numbers] to clear these names.

You'll see a menu called Bank Message which you click and hold to get a pop-up menu. Select [Roland JV-1080] - this will send the correct bank messages.

Then you need to enter the patch names. As I said, you can enter them manually one by one or if you have a list of the names, you can copy and paste them in blocks. Note that Bank 0 will be your first bank if Internal presets. As I recall, each card will take up 2 banks of names.

Then, in your arrange track, you check the Program box, then select a bank number and program change number. Try this to see if you get the right program changes on the 1080.

I have a 2080 with various cards, including the World Card, so if you want that patch list, send me a private message and I'll mail the list to you.

To rwdillon:
You need to first get a conceptual overview of what you can and can't do.

Logic can only instruct the 1080 what patches to load - and it does this by sending bank and program messages. Logic is not able to get patch names from the 1080 or "see" what cards are installed - you have to configure this yourself.

Way back in the days of Emagic Logic, there was an app called SoundDiver (SD) which was a librarian and editor for hardware synths. SD could "talk" to Logic in those days and could transfer all the names of patch banks to Logic, which was very quick and easy. Nowadays, you have to achieve this in other ways.

You might find another patch editor/librarian app which will fetch all the patch names from the 1080. Alternatively, you could look on the web for lists of these patch names. Worst case - you have to type them in manually, one by one.

Where to put them?
You need to make a Multi-Instrument in Logic's Environment:
Go to the local [New] menu and choose [Multi-Instrument]
Click on each channel number in the block (1-16) to activate them.

Then, double-click on the header area of the multi and a new window will open. This is where the patch names go. It will default to General MIDI names. Click on the [Options] button and choose [Init names as numbers] to clear these names.

You'll see a menu called Bank Message which you click and hold to get a pop-up menu. Select [Roland JV-1080] - this will send the correct bank messages.

Then you need to enter the patch names. As I said, you can enter them manually one by one or if you have a list of the names, you can copy and paste them in blocks. Note that Bank 0 will be your first bank if Internal presets. As I recall, each card will take up 2 banks of names.

Then, in your arrange track, you check the Program box, then select a bank number and program change number. Try this to see if you get the right program changes on the 1080.

I have a 2080 with various cards, including the World Card, so if you want that patch list, send me a private message and I'll mail the list to you.

You sound like the person who could point me in the right direction. Just installed Logic Pro X (10.2) on MacBook Pro. trying to connect to my legacy synth Roland XP50 with three expansion cards. I have the patch list for all of them. I use to use this synth with my old Win XP based sequencer. For program change, needed to send MSB and LSB messages along with the patch #. How do I do that in Logic. There is no place to enter the MSB/LSB. May be LSB is the 'Bank' in the Track pane on the left? But then where is the MSB? How do I make that Bank Message in the Multi-Instrument window?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Avi

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I don't know how to create the Environment for XP50. Here is what I did:
Tracks > New External MIDI Track
double click the new track, it opens the Multi Instrument window.
In the 'Bank Message' drop down, 13 instruments are listed including "Custom Bank Maessage"
Three Roland instruments are also listed but not XP50. So I guess I need to create that.
When I select Custom Bank Message and the in Options drop down, there is no option for entering MSB/LSB.
By the way, I know the MSB/LSB parameters for XP50. But where to enter them???
Thanks again. It may be easier to connect thru my direct email is lall.nyc@gmail.com (I am near New York).

Logician

Hi. Maybe better to continue here in case anyone else is also interested.
You're looking in the wrong place...

Select your Multi instr and go to the LOCAL Options menu:

Select Define Custom Bank Messages...

Then you get a window like this:

This example shows bank MSB & LSB messages. You just click-hold on the [Num] value to select either MSB (0) or LSB (32). It's the value column numbers that you'll need to find for your machine. The screenshot above is from my JV2080.

Logician

Hi. Maybe better to continue here in case anyone else is also interested.
You're looking in the wrong place...

Select your Multi instr and go to the LOCAL Options menu:

Select Define Custom Bank Messages...

Then you get a window like this:

This example shows bank MSB & LSB messages. You just click-hold on the [Num] value to select either MSB (0) or LSB (32). It's the value column numbers that you'll need to find for your machine. The screenshot above is from my JV2080.

Logician

You configure the banks on one Multi-Instrument. In my second screenshot above, you'll see there are 4 banks configured e.g 0(a) 0(b) 1(a) 1(b) etc where each number is a bank, with MSB and LSB messages.