"When we had all of our talent level, we've got to be able to beat Chicago at home and we've got to be able to go to Seattle and win that game there. We know they're formidable. We know Seattle had a good football team and I don't think we underestimated Seattle at all when we played them. But if you're going to have to get to where we want to go you have to go into Seattle and win games in Seattle."

So to him a "good" team should be able to beat us in the CLink? Really? So I guess he thinks NE, GB, SF, Minn, all playoff teams this year, must suck!

Yup. That right there was a HUGE compliment. We're a known commodity now. We're one of those teams by which other teams get judged. The national disrespect is going away. Enjoy it boys and girls. It's been a helluva long time coming.

kmedic wrote:The context of this statement was in regards as to why he fired Rob Ryan. Pretty tough standard for the next defensive coordinator: you better beat Seattle in their house or expect to get canned!

He said "To be where we want to be you have to beat Seattle..."

You think Jerry wants to be "good"? He wants his team to be the best in the world. To be the very best team in the world you have to be able to beat Seattle.

kmedic wrote:The context of this statement was in regards as to why he fired Rob Ryan. Pretty tough standard for the next defensive coordinator: you better beat Seattle in their house or expect to get canned!

He said "To be where we want to be you have to beat Seattle..."

You think Jerry wants to be "good"? He wants his team to be the best in the world. To be the very best team in the world you have to be able to beat Seattle.

Too bad he sucks as an owner so he'll never get what he wants.

He's a good owner; he's super committed, not afraid to spend money and pimps his team every chance he gets. No, Jerry's problem is that he's a HORRIBLE general manager. If he really wants to be a great team, he'll park his big stupid ego, stop trying to pretend he's some kind of bigshot football guru and hire a real GM to handle his football team.

He's talking them down... as if he says "My team does not lose to the lowly Seattle Seahawks... no way, no how, never."

Yet, they did... and now that loss to the Hawks is being used by Jones to justify his firing of Rob Ryan.

Go back and re-watch that game, or... go and familiar yourself with the game summary and stats.

We had a recovered fumble and a blocked punt that put us ahead to start.

Ryan's defense did not lose that game, imo.

It was turnovers by Dallas' offense that changed the game.

Admittedly, Seattle's running game did well against Ryan's D... but the Hawks did that to most everybody.

I''m not a fan of the Ryan Brothers... far from it... but for Jones to cite the Seahawks game as one of the two reasons that he fired Rob Ryan... well, that's just flat out an unreasonable and indefensible position to take, imo.

At that time, losing to the Seahawks, who had just lost to the Cardinals and were starting a rookie QB coming off a win over the defending Superbowl champs, I can see why that game stuck in Jerry's craw.

He is probably thinking that the Seahawks cannot sustain their current playing level and will revert back to a middle of the road team his Cowboys should beat, away and at home. Those are his demons. He still lives in the Jimmy Johnson era of the Cowboys. Every year pundits rate them atop the heap as the pre-season favorite to win the Superbowl. There is always a discussion of how great the talent is that the Cowboys have but yet they cannot consistently win their division.

Reading that statement, it can be looked at in several ways. But no matter what, until he gets his house in order, he is lucky they beat the Browns in their own house this year.

The key phrasing is when he said "you've got to be able to beat Seattle" instead of "you should have beaten Seattle." The former (which is what he said), implies that for Dallas to win it all, they first have to prove that they can beat the best (Seattle). The latter would infer that Seattle is inferior, which I don't think anyone left on earth still believes.

drdiags wrote:At that time, losing to the Seahawks, who had just lost to the Cardinals and were starting a rookie QB coming off a win over the defending Superbowl champs, I can see why that game stuck in Jerry's craw.

He is probably thinking that the Seahawks cannot sustain their current playing level and will revert back to a middle of the road team his Cowboys should beat, away and at home. Those are his demons. He still lives in the Jimmy Johnson era of the Cowboys. Every year pundits rate them atop the heap as the pre-season favorite to win the Superbowl. There is always a discussion of how great the talent is that the Cowboys have but yet they cannot consistently win their division.

Reading that statement, it can be looked at in several ways. But no matter what, until he gets his house in order, he is lucky they beat the Browns in their own house this year.

^This was pretty much my first interpritation of JJ's statement and I'm still tending to lean that direction. However, if there was any "compliment" that could be construed from what he said, I take it not as "To be the best you have to beat the best" because clearly we haven't been the best over time. I take it more as if you want to win in this league you need to be able to win IN Seattle. Whether Seattle's an 8-8 team or an 11-5 team, they don't lose at home. If there is one consistant "respect" that Seattle gets from the national media, other teams, insiders and opposing knowledgable fans is that Seattle is THE most difficult place to win in the NFL: Location, fans, fan noise, weather... what ever IT is teams don't come to Seattle and win very often and if you want to be good... that's the measuring stick if Seattle is on your schedule.

You can take it either way you want. Doesn't matter - we're on the radar for better or worse now, and that's a good thing. (On paper, it reads more like a compliment. It could sound different when spoken.)

Jerry jones needs to realize he's going nowhere anytime soon until he replaces Romo and gets a good defensive and offensive line.... 70 million dollars worth of cornerbacks do not win superbowls, with 500 thousand dollar linemen.

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Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

Its true that if you want to be a superbowl team, you have to be able to go on the road and beat good teams. I think most teams would consider beating Seattle at home a badge of honor, showing that you are in fact a very good team. I think Jerry is saying that he wants and expects to have a team that can do that. Right now, he obviously doesn't.

By the way the cowboys are 1 win, 5 losses in Seattle since 2000 (including the playoff's, if I'm not mistaken) and the win was a close shootout, so winning in Seatte has probably become a personal "jones" for JJ (pun intended).

LawlessHawk wrote:By the way the cowboys are 1 win, 5 losses in Seattle since 2000 (including the playoff's, if I'm not mistaken) and the win was a close shootout, so winning in Seatte has probably become a personal "jones" for JJ (pun intended).

Really the statement should have been - not only does our defense has to beat Seattle and Chicago they need to overcome 10 pts scored against the offense / special teams and overcome 5 interceptions by our offense (chicago)

Jerrah needed to sacrifice someone, and it was Ryan. Who else is he going to blame for his finesse team?

And that is what he said, in so many words. Beating us or Chicago at our houses is codespeak for laying a beat down on a physical team. It is a compliment, in years past he would have referred to a team like Baltimore or the Steelers for this analogy.

But, he fired the wrong guy. Or should have fired one more, plus himself. His HC gives up on the run faster than chinese food runs through me. And Jerrah himself has drafted a lot of guys who don't love physical play. It isn't a taught quality.

mikeak wrote:Really the statement should have been - not only does our defense has to beat Seattle and Chicago they need to overcome 10 pts scored against the offense / special teams and overcome 5 interceptions by our offense (chicago)

This sentence makes my brain hurt.

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

JSeahawks wrote:He's a good owner; he's super committed, not afraid to spend money and pimps his team every chance he gets. No, Jerry's problem is that he's a HORRIBLE general manager. If he really wants to be a great team, he'll park his big stupid ego, stop trying to pretend he's some kind of bigshot football guru and hire a real GM to handle his football team.

^^ This.And the other comment that Jerry Jones the owner needs to fire Jerry Jones the GM.In MLB with no salary cap, George Steinbrenner could buy Yankees championships (some, anyway) by just buying up all the best talent money can buy.The Steinbrenner approach would be a miserable failure in the NFL. Jerry Jones is probably more capable than Steinbrenner, but Steinbrenner knew enough to hire real GM's.