When Will "Planet X" Cause A Pole Shift?

If you had looked at the link, like I suggested to you, you would have noticed the Astronomers, saying the tilting was real, were identifying themselves with real names. You apparently haven't looked.Frankly, I feel no matter what "names", or "proof" you ask for will never be enough. When have you ever compromised with anyone? Your past history of blogging reveals the fact that anyone, who does not agree with you, is an idiot.

If you are referring to this page: [link to www.isuma.tv] I did indeed look and the sort of tilting that those folksare talking about have nothing to do with the wild claimsthat you and Nancy make about the Earth currently. Whatpart of "Although Drysdale et al (2009) are discussing past climate change" confused you so much? And ifyou are referencing the comments at the bottom of that pageALL but ONE is by "Anonymous" and the one name there hasa (not verified) next to it. None of them are trustworthyand none of them mention any equipment used. You don'tseem to know what an actual amateur astronomer is. Thereare tens of thousands of them on over a thousand groupson Yahoo Groups alone. Not one of them will support yourclaims.

And what past history of blogging? I have never had a blog - EVER. I set up a Facebook page a few months agobut nothing on that even comes close to what you are accusing me of. When it comes to facts and hard dataI do not compromise. But when the facts change I changewith them. There are many times on GLP where I have hadto admit that I have been wrong. I have never seen Nancyor you do so even once. You haven't even tried to offerany real proof since all you are doing is throwing anecdotalevidences along with constant admission that you don'tknow what you are talking about and only parroting someoneyou believe in.

Thread: Multiple Satellites Track and Confirm Gravitational/Magnetic Anomoly in Earths Mantle.He concluded that there must be something out in space interacting with the layer of the earth known as the mantle and for it to be of huge mass and highly magnetic, He said "This is not caused by the moon, but is sometimes ampified by it, as the moon does affect the tides and gravitational pull of the earth as we subsquently found the moon's gravitational trench, it is much smaller. The amplifing effect comes when the moon's trench catches up to the trench caused by the unknown object as it did in feburary 2004"

A notch above pseudo science...

Funny how that "He" doesn't have a name in that article.The only reference is to "a professer of seismology". Whenan article does that they are doing so because they have suspect reference material and don't want to be caught.What that looks like is an actual report on GRACE findingsmixed in with some nonsense fearmongering in the style ofDavid Booth's "Sorcha Faal" crap.

So pointing out the cover story that is already in place is just more nonsense to you.

What evidence do you have that this is a cover story? Anything? Or is it just your belief that this is a cover story?

Just curious.. do you think the government has always told the truth? If not do you have an example of when they lied. You toe their line so well I am very curious if you are capable of thinking for your self?

Who said they did? But what makes you think that other people always tell the truth? What makes you think all the reports Nancy gets are accurate? Oh, wait...that's right...you believe all those reports simply because they support your beliefs. It doesn't matter if they were verified or not.

Now, getting back to satellites, I suggest you do a little reading up on the amateur radio satellite program. There are several of them up there and thousands of amateur radio operators use them. That would only be possible if they were where they should be at a given time. Some have been operational for 10 years. Some amateurs also bounce their signals off the moon known as EME (or Earth Moon Earth) to talk to other amateurs at other locations on Earth. Some of these amateurs have elaborate antenna arrays that automatically track the moon. Some are manually controlled. Either way, this mode of propagation would not be possible if the Earth were suddenly tilted.

Any of you care to take a crack at that?

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

OK....I'll try. The amount of tilt we are talking about, should not be classified as a "Pole Shift"....rather a few degrees of "Crustal" movement. This, in my opinion, is enough to cause friction, and unleash weather chaos, including the increased Volcanic activity, and Earthquakes, we are now witnessing. The crustal drift is not effecting Satellites in-so-far as their ability to be "corrected", with small rocket thrusters, should the movement become severe enough.

We may have hundreds of thousand of Amateur astronomers, however, not many can afford the expensive scopes we see advertised. Most are the small Telescopes, without tracking devices, and are only used to view the Moon, and objects, usually found with a viewfinder, or binoculars. Amateur astronomers, in my opinion, are kids with a desire to see fantastic objects, in the sky, the huge telescopes are only capable of viewing. After a few weeks of disappointment, the kid loses interest, and the scope usually winds up in the closet.

I am sure, like all "Professional Astronomers" Club Leaders have been critiqued by Governmental sources, and are not allowed to disclose anything, dictated by rules of National Security Law. Any disclosure, not authorized, would result in loss of License.

Little ones, I thank you for gathering together and joining me in prayer, welcoming in a New Year and in thanksgiving for the year just past, knowing all the joys that have surfaced and all the sorrows that each of you have met face to face.

You know, little ones, that the greatest treasure you have is your family. Know, little ones, that you are my family. How joyful I am that you belong to me, and that you belong to each other. The friendships that you have are endless and join you in union with the Divine Will of God the Father. To Him all glory and praise rightfully and dutifully belong.

Your Creator looks down upon you and He smiles; and yet, He comes down to you and He smiles; and yet, He raises you up to Him and looks at you and He smiles. In all of your human weaknesses, God allows you to be purged, invites you to grow, and challenges you to be different in many ways. As both human beings and His creatures, you do your best to respond to His call. For this, I am grateful. You shall never be sorrowful for your attempts. Even though oftentimes you fail, you have not failed but have won favor in His sight.

I thank you for your prayers in regards to all the disasters currently affecting so many in this world. I must tell you that of the nine secrets my child (Gianna) has received, seven of them were given to her by my Son Himself. The last two, I was most honored to reveal to her. The 7th secret given to her by my Son was related to this most recent catastrophic event (the Tsunami), not so much in relation to the disaster of the surging levels of water; but rather the first part of the 7th secret has to do with the rotation of the earth's axis. The secret further develops into the earth being spun off its axis. The Commission (Archdiocese of Baltimore, June, 2001) knows of this, little ones, because it was provided the 7th secret which had been given to my child by my Son in 1989.

Thus, I ask you tonight to join me in prayer in this New Year, so that my children will realize that I have been here for them. When, I wonder, will they truly realize the gift they have been receiving? When more events develop, I pray that they will respond to the Grace, not to panic, but to have hope and to be loving, giving people of God.

So I thank you myself, as your Mother and as your friend. In the Name of your Savior and in the Name of the Holy Trinity, I thank you for allowing me to come and to bless you, and for listening and responding to His call.

I bless you with good will, holy prosperity, and good health and joy in this next year. Peace to you, little ones. Peace!

Of course, the North Star is where it has always been. Stars do not move.

You're either a complete idiot or you're trolling.

Sorry, can't see another possibility here.

You unqualified debunkers are all alike .. Black no white no black no white.. too simple and immature to be allowed access to the web.

Look, I've been debating rationally with this guy for days. I don't know where you've been.

We're obviously discussing the APPARENT motion of the stars as seen from a moving Earth, something described by Nancy Lieder (who is Volar's primary source) as "movement" or a change in predicted movement.

He was either being intentionally obtuse in his answer or is too dense to continue attempting to discuss the issue with.

It's got nothing to do with the government. I don't trust the government anymore than I trust doomsday cultists.

You unqualified debunkers are all alike .. Black no white no black no white.. too simple and immature to be allowed access to the web.

You unqualified bunkers are all alike...provide no evidence or proof of anything. You all simply think others should believe you just because you make a claim...you're all simply too immature to be allowed access to the web. It's scary how dumbed down society has become.

I look forward to hearing your excuses in the coming years as to why "Planet X" never showed up.

Some of these amateurs have elaborate antenna arrays that automatically track the moon. Some are manually controlled. Either way, this mode of propagation would not be possible if the Earth were suddenly tilted.

Any of you care to take a crack at that?

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

You trying to say that a couple of degrees one way or the other will effect these systems and that if they where out of calibration they wouldn't work and couldn't be re-calibrated without a large media event?... seriously this is all you have?

You trying to say that a couple of degrees one way or the other will effect these systems and that if they where out of calibration they wouldn't work and couldn't be re-calibrated without a large media event?... seriously this is all you have?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848933

Claiming that Earth tilting would only put satellites out of position by a few small degrees is all you have? Do you have any evidence they're out of position at all? If they were, many services would not work. Satellite TV being one of them. Dishes have very narrow beamwidths. In addition, telescopes would have to be re-aligned. Care to check any number of sites dedicated to either astronomy or satellite communications and see if anyone is talking about having to realign their equipment? No? Why not? Oh, that's right...you know how weak your position is.

OK....I'll try. The amount of tilt we are talking about, should not be classified as a "Pole Shift"....rather a few degrees of "Crustal" movement. This, in my opinion, is enough to cause friction, and unleash weather chaos, including the increased Volcanic activity, and Earthquakes, we are now witnessing. The crustal drift is not effecting Satellites in-so-far as their ability to be "corrected", with small rocket thrusters, should the movement become severe enough.

Quoting: Volar 796327

Oh, so now instead of it being a large change in the tilt...it's just a tiny one. Do you know anything about satellites? Many do not have "thrusters" to adjust their orbit. If they did, then satellites would never fall out of orbit. In addition, many of these satellites use frequencies in the microwave band. When combined with dish antennas, which have narrow beamwidths, signals would fade very quickly if not spot on.

We may have hundreds of thousand of Amateur astronomers, however, not many can afford the expensive scopes we see advertised. Most are the small Telescopes, without tracking devices, and are only used to view the Moon, and objects, usually found with a viewfinder, or binoculars. Amateur astronomers, in my opinion, are kids with a desire to see fantastic objects, in the sky, the huge telescopes are only capable of viewing. After a few weeks of disappointment, the kid loses interest, and the scope usually winds up in the closet.

Quoting: Volar 796327

That's it? You can get a cheap GOTO for less than $300. And there are thousands of amateur astronomers who take this hobby very seriously. Have you bothered to research this topic at all? There are hundreds of clubs out there and their members have a large variety of telescopes. I dare you to contact even one and ask them if any of their members see the sky out of place.

I am sure, like all "Professional Astronomers" Club Leaders have been critiqued by Governmental sources, and are not allowed to disclose anything, dictated by rules of National Security Law. Any disclosure, not authorized, would result in loss of License.

Quoting: Volar 796327

You're sure? How do you know? How does the government find all these clubs? How does the government find any amateur astronomer who isn't a member of any club? And what license does an amateur astronomer club need to have? I'll tell you - none!

There will be many Planet X's. How can there not be? There have been 3 known pole shifts. Edgar Caycee said the Amazon River use to flow a different direction and they have discovered in the past few years it actually did. The poles are shifting on their own and scientists have noted it the past 20 years. I really don't think it has to do with Planet X. It may have to do with the pull of our alignment that happens every 26000 years coming up in 2012. Who knows. It's all speculation.

OK....I'll try. The amount of tilt we are talking about, should not be classified as a "Pole Shift"....rather a few degrees of "Crustal" movement.

Quoting: Volar 796327

If "the crust moved" even a few degrees, polaris will move by just as many degrees when even a fraction of a degree would be noticeable to the many amateur astronomers out there.

The crustal drift is not effecting Satellites in-so-far as their ability to be "corrected", with small rocket thrusters, should the movement become severe enough.

Quoting: Volar

You obviously have no clue how much delta-V is required to do inclination adjustments like that, even of just a few degrees assuming that would even be enough to hide the problem.

We may have hundreds of thousand of Amateur astronomers, however, not many can afford the expensive scopes we see advertised.

Quoting: Volar

And what about those that can? It's called "saving." I saved all throughout college for one thing and one thing only; my current telescope. Probably still not smart from a financial point of view, but it's what I wanted more than anything else.

Most are the small Telescopes, without tracking devices, and are only used to view the Moon, and objects, usually found with a viewfinder, or binoculars.

Quoting: Volar

Even my previous telescope came with a clock drive, which was a simple mechanical device to track with the motion of the sky. It couldn't find anything on its own, but the angle to polaris never needed adjustment (the pier it sat on was a very heavy piece of metal with a nice big fat bolt holding the altitude adjustment in place).

Amateur astronomers, in my opinion, are kids with a desire to see fantastic objects, in the sky, the huge telescopes are only capable of viewing. After a few weeks of disappointment, the kid loses interest, and the scope usually winds up in the closet.

Quoting: Volar

LMAO! That's your definition of an amateur astronomer? That's what I call a casual enthusiast. We all started there, but the amateur astronomers are the ones who don't give up, they save up and buy better and better equipment.

Most "amateurs" I know are far older than me; most got hooked in the 60s when spaceflight fever was at its peak. They found space interesting as an observer and never gave up their passion. That generation had tenacity, many of them remember doing astrophotography in the film days when it was a whole lot harder and required the astronomer to make special treatments to the film to reduce reciprocity failure before even setting foot outside. Many of them even built their own telescopes from scratch, including fashioning the mirror by hand. And yes, many of them have even installed tracking and/or GOTO systems in those telescopes.

You've obviously never been to a dark sky star party where real amateur astronomers hang out, but I highly recommend you attend one, assuming you can follow the rules. If you do you'll find out just how competent, knowledgable, determined, and observant they are.

I am sure, like all "Professional Astronomers" Club Leaders have been critiqued by Governmental sources, and are not allowed to disclose anything, dictated by rules of National Security Law. Any disclosure, not authorized, would result in loss of License.

Quoting: Volar

LMFAO! There's no "license" for forming an amateur astronomy club, and let me tell you something, as part of the club leadership for the astronomy club in college I was never approached by a government agent, national security agent, or had to promise to not disclose anything.

I had free and open access to a VERY large research grade telescope, the kind permanently housed in a dome where you had to get on a ladder just to remove the front cover, and I could point it at anything I wanted to see. That was the advantage of attending a university that had large resources but little utilization of them, at least in the area of astronomy. Our first professor/club sponsor was a planetary geologist more involved in helping select landing sites for mars missions than active observation. She eventually took a better job with a much bigger university for astronomy (univeristy of arizona) and that left those of us who were trained on the telescope with literally as much time on it during the week as we wanted. That doesn't exactly fit with your "national security law" theory buddy.

You trying to say that a couple of degrees one way or the other will effect these systems and that if they where out of calibration they wouldn't work and couldn't be re-calibrated without a large media event?... seriously this is all you have?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848933

My current telescope demands that polaris remain exactly where it is supposed to be with respect to earth's rotational axis. There is no way for me to "re-calibrate" or update its database to reflect a change in the location of polaris; its memory is hard coded and cannot be altered the way newer telescopes can. Hap's telescope is also permanently mounted in concrete; he'd have to drill through it to make an adjustment. Don't you think he'd be raising all hell proclaiming the problem if he had to go and do that? The large telescope I had the privalege to use in college was also permanently mounted, and never needed realignment.

Amateur astronomers, in my opinion, are kids with a desire to see fantastic objects, in the sky, the huge telescopes are only capable of viewing. After a few weeks of disappointment, the kid loses interest, and the scope usually winds up in the closet.

I am sure, like all "Professional Astronomers" Club Leaders have been critiqued by Governmental sources, and are not allowed to disclose anything, dictated by rules of National Security Law. Any disclosure, not authorized, would result in loss of License.

What fucking license are you going on about? And you canassure yourself of any sort of bullshit especially since you are too much of a coward to attend an astronomy club.There is not a damned thing "professional" about themyou fool.

Quoting: DrPostman

You keep calling people “fools”, and “idiots” when it is YOU who is losing the respect of serious posters. When I first saw your title of “Forum Moderator”, I thought you were a responsible person, who would set an example for others to follow. It did not take long, for me, to see your true colors. You have a "potty mouth" that won’t quit, and obviously very insecure, having a need to belittle others, to boost your own self worth. I have your number postman, and I am sure others feel the same way I do. If you want to continue hiding behind your computer, and use bully tactics to discourage a better quality of discussion, so be it. I don’t have to be here, and neither does anyone else, for that matter. Just one more four letter word, or belittling remark coming from your mouth, and I am out of here, for good.

You keep calling people “fools”, and “idiots” when it is YOU who is losing the respect of serious posters. When I first saw your title of “Forum Moderator”, I thought you were a responsible person, who would set an example for others to follow. It did not take long, for me, to see your true colors. You have a "potty mouth" that won’t quit, and obviously very insecure, having a need to belittle others, to boost your own self worth. I have your number postman, and I am sure others feel the same way I do. If you want to continue hiding behind your computer, and use bully tactics to discourage a better quality of discussion, so be it. I don’t have to be here, and neither does anyone else, for that matter. Just one more four letter word, or belittling remark coming from your mouth, and I am out of here, for good.

Ever read the FUCKING disclaimer below? Mind the ass/doorinterface. GLP is not a gentle place. If you can't standa few 4 letter words, especially in the face of your blatantlie about having a license to have an astronomy club :wrotfl2:Then you are obviously in the wrong fucking place.

You have no clue what belittling means as I have been verygentle with you up until now. The only "better quality ofdiscussion" you want is where no one will challenge your claims. GLP ain't it.

You keep calling people “fools”, and “idiots” when it is YOU who is losing the respect of serious posters. When I first saw your title of “Forum Moderator”, I thought you were a responsible person, who would set an example for others to follow. It did not take long, for me, to see your true colors. You have a "potty mouth" that won’t quit, and obviously very insecure, having a need to belittle others, to boost your own self worth. I have your number postman, and I am sure others feel the same way I do. If you want to continue hiding behind your computer, and use bully tactics to discourage a better quality of discussion, so be it. I don’t have to be here, and neither does anyone else, for that matter. Just one more four letter word, or belittling remark coming from your mouth, and I am out of here, for good.

Ever read the FUCKING disclaimer below? Mind the ass/doorinterface. GLP is not a gentle place. If you can't standa few 4 letter words, especially in the face of your blatantlie about having a license to have an astronomy club Then you are obviously in the wrong fucking place.

You have no clue what belittling means as I have been verygentle with you up until now. The only "better quality ofdiscussion" you want is where no one will challenge your claims. GLP ain't it.

Quoting: DrPostman

You are one very sick asshole, aren't you Dr Postman?

Volar was absolutely correct with his assessment of you. You are a nothing in this world but a emotionally devoid twerp. Hiding behind the disclaimer, just like a good little boy! Your moral compass is broken.

Get back to smoking those joints ... you might be more tolerable that way.

And about Circuit Breaker and his wife' problems ... it was he who got personal with FreeStore and the reason his wife left him. Ya, you missed that, eh?You are one transparent idiot. If Circuit Breaker doesn't like it, hell if you don't like it, sanction the idiot that started it first. Have some credibility, if you have that in you? Get that?