I ran some tests yesterday myself with guildmates and we realized this game has lost PvP forever.

I've also repeatedly reported people using such hacks to no avail because THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to catch them red-handed. It's too easy to turn off and on the scripts and speedhacks and too easy to switch chars etc etc to further confuse someone.

Come on guys. Fix that stuff BEFORE SA. PLEASE. Or all efforts you put into advertizing will be ruined by the cheaters.

Yeah now I can almost SMELL all the trolls coming to tell me that cheats don't win you the fight and other BS like that. **** that.

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There's this guy who doesn't need to stop to shoot and IT IS NOT MOVING SHOT.

He just passes me, even shoves me 'cuz I bump on him ON STRAIGHT LINES. Then shoots then goes on again.

Another guy I fought was not even where I SAW HIM so my melee char could not practically "connect" any hit 'cuz the guy was jumping tiles back and forth. I'm aware of tactics and personal skill like dancing around, going in circles or being unpredictable and kiting, I use those too.. but it's not that.

Get real stupid cheaters....

Same goes for some mages who seem to over-cast and In Mani ON THE FULL RUN. :bowdown:

SHOULD I MENTION THE DISMOUNTERS THAT FAST AS ME ON HORSE SPAMMING BOLAS IN LICH FORM? :loser:

Then I fought this guy whose arrows "connected" with me AFTER I've hidden in a friendly house. Meaning he's set his speeder so high I'm missing packets and don't even see him where he should be, as I'm running up the stairs of the house and get inside. LOLLLLLLLLLLL :gun: That's on a 24 MB connection on which people have accused ME of speedhacking so imagine WHAT THEY ARE USING.. LOLLLLLL

Again potions are also near-cheat with medic scripts.
I CAN HEAL CRAZY HPs INSTANTLY IN TOO MANY WAYS LIKE CONFIDENCE + EP 50% + POT + IN MANI/BANDAGE/CLOSEWOUNDS/SS, pick your style.

And again, KR CLIENT MASKING TILE-SKIPPING IS PRETENTIOUS IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL.

Ok sorry but this is too much, this is blatant cheating. I got names, guild names, anyone interested PM me Devs. I can even point out what they are using if you need to check it out.

You forgot the stump hack too! Don't you love it when someone can run over a gravestone, or a stump, and you get stuck? Great...

I used to love to PvP. Even w/all the gimp templates. It's the cheaters I hate dealing with. Ya, they can be killed with skill... but it's a pita. On top of using cheats, they typically heal each other too. Then if you die, they talk smack...about sittin in GZ or in a house. Yet if you come out, 3 mages are waiting to Omen/Para/efield you... then talk trash.

I've started to PvM more because it's no fun fighting someone who's using 3rd party cheats in order to be 'decent' with pixels.

A new expansion isn't going to help the game. Fixing cheats/banning people will.

Close down FEL ruleset... kill all champ spawns. Kill pretty much any PvP? Trammies will complain as people would start warring guilds and fight in Trammel.

That makes no sense at all. If I wanted to play a PvM game i'd go play EQ.

Killing all Fel ruleset due to cheaters would kill off a lot of people from this game.

No need to kill Fel. Just the cheaters. If GM's were more active in taking action against cheaters, it wouldn't be as rampant. I'd rather they deal with speeders/hackers than scripters. I could care less about someone hoarding away thousands upon thousands of ingots/boards etc.

I'm just saying aparently they CAN'T deal with scripters and speed hackers... they haven't been able to for 11 years. It's not like this is a new issue or hasn't been a critical situation every year for the past 11...

They've tried everything they can think of, including PunkBuster or whatever that was called, which was cancelled but I don't know why since I wasn't playing UO during that time.

Somehow other games don't have the same "level" of botting problems that UO does... maybe because UO was first and other games learned to build in defenses to it in the basic game code from the bottom up... but from what I can see... there's nothing EA can do "Proactively" to defend against it...

Yes, they can ban a few accounts after the fact, and some people will celebrate and others will complain, then a few months later the cycle will restart.

Your kidding me right? You realize there is the same if not more cheating that goes on in trammel then fel. In fell its used to kill ppl in trammelt its used to kill the economy. So shutting down fel isnt gonna fix anything.

How about they just higher real gms instead of computers to send out the same bs after every page.

I mean one day we found out where a script miner would help stuck to res and it was in fell. So we stripped down grab regs for fs and just killed this guy over 500 times while being stuck in this pathetic thing called the que. We killed him so much he dropped his suit.

About 3 hours after that the so called GMS said oh we will look into it. For some reason the guy is still around still scripting.

The complete lack of action by EA against cheaters in PvP has made the situation way worse than it really should be. People are always going to cheat, but in most games it's a fairly small percent, but since the UO Devs have ignored the situation for so long, the cheating in UO PvP has become the worst in the industry. I would dare say that over 50% of the people I fight in Fel are cheating in 1 way or another.

I also know that alot of the people currently running cheat programs really don't want to cheat, they just got fed up with losing to other less skilled people due to them cheating. So for alot of people it really became a case of "I have to cheat to compete".

If they started banning some of the worst offenders on every shard, word would get around and alot of the cheating would disappear.

I'm not suggesting it's an ANSWER... I'm saying the scripting is a problem that is built into the CORE of UO... like PCs can't get off of the x86 Chipset without making EVERY PC and every application built for them bricks...

PvP is just the most OBVIOUS problem related to scripting because since it's Person vs Person and some people elect not to cheat... those that do will ALWAYS have an advantage and I doubt there's anything EA/Mythic will be able to get ahead of that problem. They will ALWAYS be playing catch up on this issue.

In PvM and other areas, scripting is still a probem but it doesn't directly effect other players who elect not to cheat (or buy resources or duped items etc) from scripters or whatever... they are still effected by not as directly.

I'm not suggesting EA/Mythic shouldn't try to fix the issues, do what they can to balance the playing field etc...

I don't think you could hire enough GMs to be everywhere, or determine "with authority" all the time, who is or isn't cheating.

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Posting this on stratics is useless. Complaining just falls on deaf ears with EA.

There are hundreds of identical threads just like this. I have even emailed Jeremy directly, as have other players, only to get no response.

Have you even seen a Dev reply to any of these "cheater" threads? That's because they don't give a ****, they would rather work on why thew new plants spawn in fire color or why NPC's are spawning or not - than to at least acknowledge that there is a problem.

I would probably be happy, as would everyone else, if we all could just see a dev respond to one of these threads with a "we know, be patient".

I don't think anything will be done though. The cheats are a disease, they spread from shard to shard, guild to guild, and player to player. Why? Well because every player now realizes how pathetic the GM service is and the lack to ban the blatant cheaters.

Without the dev's or GM's doing anything the question now isn't "why would you cheat?", no, the question NOW is "Why wouldn't you cheat?". Like i've said in may threads like this before: You used to be able to count the players that cheated with 1 hand, now it's counting the players that don't cheat with that same hand...

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I absolutely agree, the hacks and cheats are outrageous. I don't quite agree about PvP being dead. It is absolutely nonsense to PvP in Felucca. But guild wars between RP guilds are still challenging and fair, because those guilds will immediately kick anyone being caught using such cheats.

For those who want to PvP, I recommend to join any RP guild that applies to the general Rules of Engagement.

It is very sad and disappointing that the Game Developers do not seem to be able to solve these issues. It ruins an important part of the game for most players.

However, before completely blaming the Developers for that, I really would like to know the reason why these things aren't fixed. Is the code too messed up to fix? Are there issues that cannot fixed with the current game engine? Is there a lack of manpower to address these issues?

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@ the OP...please think before you post about what you assume to be hacks, a big part of the issue is people often confuse hacking with making macros in UOAssist.

First off, these medic scripts are actually slower than those whom map keys for pots or use mouse keys to do the same. I cant even count the number of occassions I was accused of cheating after switching to a new mouse. (I have 12 UO functions mapped to the mouse alone including potions, apples, box, and targetting)

I personally can tell you that there isnt a script out there that can medic quicker than a real person. The script has to access the 3rd party program server before it even performs a function...while a macro is instant with the game server.

Second, macros made within UOassist that contain multiple steps are NOT ILLEGAL!!! Dont hate the player, hate the game. If you are upset with how a player is doing something...the easiest thing to do is just ask them how they do it. IF you dont ask how and only accuse others of cheating...you probably will not find out how.

Again...I am all about getting rid of hackers/cheaters. I will not however start a thread without being informed of whats what first. No offense to you OP, just putting in my 2 pennies.

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"I personally can tell you that there isn't a script out there that can medic quicker than a real person."

Yeah that's why everyone is doing the exact same actions, at the exact same time. Because they do not use the same script, they just went to the same PvP training school.....?
What about the script I used and worked wonders after a few failed attempts at setting it up properly? And I'm really fast with my macros. Heck, I got more than respectable reflexes when it comes to computer games. ANY computer game at all, in fact.
What about the rest of the scripts I could run in accordance with that script and pretty much only had to steer my character?
In speedhack mode...?

I ACTUALLY COULD NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THE SPEEDERS THESE PEOPLE USE SPEED EVERYTHING UP. HENCE YOU CANNOT CONTROL ANYTHING WITHOUT A SCRIPT. Is that enough proof that I've PERSONALLY gone and checked those scripts and that they worked BETTER than many HUMAN reactions but THE SAME AS the guys I saw scripting..? Seriously. LOL.

"A big part of the issue is people often confuse hacking with making macros in UOAssist."

So.. I can speedhack in UOAssist, and it can keep me alive better than human reactions can?

The Dismount/Remount? I can stomach that, it's got timers and so it will never be faster than it should be although the fact it's automated is disgusting and it works too good ALONG with the rest of the scripts too.

The rest? Your post doesn't cover them.

I am not uninformed at all, so thanks for your concern but your reply covers just the Dismount/Remount.
These guys are beyond that, that's just the cherry on the top for them. Last time I checked you couldn't over-cast through UOAssist for example. ;P

Script = faster than human. Why do you think they're out there? Not just to sit back and watch your chr move w/out you doing anything. The program can be quicker than human reflexes. It's got timers and crap so it's lots faster.

It's pretty clear to a trained PvPer what is and isn't a hack or UOAMacro. When someone insta cures poison, the second you hit em with it... I dont think you can react that faaaaaaaaaaaaast.

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I sent speedman of ea links to a speedhack and another 3rd party program, his response was "Both are known and noted, Thank you"

So they know about them but don't seem to care.:loser:

Re: C%$% E#%#%^ Speedhack...
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I know the dupes are more important at this time, but all the speedhacking that is going on is making lots of people quit the game.

Could you please do something about this c#%$% e%&$# speedhack that everyone is using. There is a whole guild on baja that uses it, and it makes them pretty much unstoppable.

Anyways here is a link to it and they even have the open source available, hopefully that will help you put a stop to this rampant cheating

http://www.c&$*%&#%$.org/

Another 3rd party program you should look into is
R^&#$% http://www.r#%$%.com/r$&%^/
Thank You

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Script = faster than human. Why do you think they're out there? Not just to sit back and watch your chr move w/out you doing anything. The program can be quicker than human reflexes. It's got timers and crap so it's lots faster.

It's pretty clear to a trained PvPer what is and isn't a hack or UOAMacro. When someone insta cures poison, the second you hit em with it... I dont think you can react that faaaaaaaaaaaaast.

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Let me clarify something for you. A script has to communicate with the 3rd party server before it actually communicates with the game server! UOAssist on the other hand communicates DIRECTLY with the UO server.

if you for one moment think that the first process is FASTER than the second process, you need to check the math.

Do me a favor...make a UO assist macro for cure pot self and map it to your thumb key on your mouse. Have a friend cast poison and see how long it takes you to be ready to cure it. I bet you 100 million gold that you will be ready to cure it BEFORE it goes off. So I call BS to your timing deal...and I am willing to put 100 mil on it.

Trained PvPer? lol...whats that? When I hear someone say trained PvPer I have to ask them how much of their gametime is spent PvPing.

Let me clarify something for you. A script has to communicate with the 3rd party server before it actually communicates with the game server! UOAssist on the other hand communicates DIRECTLY with the UO server.

if you for one moment think that the first process is FASTER than the second process, you need to check the math.

Do me a favor...make a UO assist macro for cure pot self and map it to your thumb key on your mouse. Have a friend cast poison and see how long it takes you to be ready to cure it. I bet you 100 million gold that you will be ready to cure it BEFORE it goes off. So I call BS to your timing deal...and I am willing to put 100 mil on it.

Trained PvPer? lol...whats that? When I hear someone say trained PvPer I have to ask them how much of their gametime is spent PvPing.

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Actually, you are incorrect. There are plenty of scripts that run on stand alone PCs while your game client is running on the same machine, and they interact with the game client faster than any human interaction could take place... without any script server that you are referring to.

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Actually, you are incorrect. There are plenty of scripts that run on stand alone PCs while your game client is running on the same machine, and they interact with the game client faster than any human interaction could take place... without any script server that you are referring to.

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Actually...I am not. I was speaking of a single client...as duel clienting isnt rampantly overrunning the game atm. Even in duel client situations you are still limited to wait times between the script...the 3rd party server...and the game server.

Feel free to check the timing all you want...but processing script information between the 3rd party software and the 3rd party software server isnt instantaneous like you think. First you have communication times, then you have processing time, followed by more communicaiton time, which in turn is followed by action. The time it takes to do this alone is longer than it takes for my one finger to click on button.

Regardless...you cant use a cure pot to cure another char.

Second, I cant think of hardly any *stand alone scripts* that do not rely on a certain 3rd party program to run on and thier server to transfer said information from point A to B.

Third, I have concluded you are just a troll who feels like saying *nuh-uh* rather than backing up his claim. Feel free to PM me the name of whatever you are speaking about...I really dont think it exists.

How about they just higher real gms instead of computers to send out the same bs after every page.

I mean one day we found out where a script miner would help stuck to res and it was in fell. So we stripped down grab regs for fs and just killed this guy over 500 times while being stuck in this pathetic thing called the que. We killed him so much he dropped his suit.

About 3 hours after that the so called GMS said oh we will look into it. For some reason the guy is still around still scripting.[/QUOTE]

Cheats will always rule UO until they actually put GM,s back into the game on a regular basis not this adhoc page and they respond two months later God its like having a flat tyre on the freeway by the time you get help you have run out of rego and the car has been stripped
guess you just have to get another car/game

Let me clarify something for you. A script has to communicate with the 3rd party server before it actually communicates with the game server! UOAssist on the other hand communicates DIRECTLY with the UO server.

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Script programs have to communicate with a 3rd party server before they communicate with the game server? I highly doubt that is the case.

There is plenty of empirical evidence in game that shows that scripts are faster than humans. If scripting made you slower, then why did so many people use scripts to place at IDOCs? It got so bad that the devs had to rewrite the housing code. Then there's scripting of corpse looting, or of stealable artifacts, or (back in the day) of gold at champ spawns. People wouldn't use scripts if there wasn't an advantage to doing so.

Script = faster than human. Why do you think they're out there? Not just to sit back and watch your chr move w/out you doing anything. The program can be quicker than human reflexes. It's got timers and crap so it's lots faster.

It's pretty clear to a trained PvPer what is and isn't a hack or UOAMacro. When someone insta cures poison, the second you hit em with it... I dont think you can react that faaaaaaaaaaaaast.

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Anyone caught using a script or speedhack during pvp should be banned, have all their credit cards banned and have any IP they ever logged in under banned. Too bad EA doesn't feel the same.

Look - Stop being such a noob and go download all of these "morally wrong" programs and use them yourself. Stop being such a blowhard "im gonna take the high road cause im so valorous" type of person. If your concerned about morals - dont lie cheat and steal in real life. In UO... Do whatever the hell you want. ITS A VIDEO GAME.

Look - Stop being such a noob and go download all of these "morally wrong" programs and use them yourself. Stop being such a blowhard "im gonna take the high road cause im so valorous" type of person. If your concerned about morals - dont lie cheat and steal in real life. In UO... Do whatever the hell you want. ITS A VIDEO GAME.

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Being a good human being means trying to do the right thing in everything you do. The kind of attitude displayed in this post is why things like the UO economy and PvP system are a mess. Ruthless people would rather game the system for a quicker path than take advantage of the many easy ways to get the job done. This kind of thinking is why the US economy is screwed. The decision makers at these failing banks thought "why not take outragious chances?" They knew they were not going to have to answer for them, and the government IS bailing them out. Hell, they got away with it. That is why they did it, but was it wrong? Should we do things that are wrong because we can get away with them? Good people don't. Everyone else, well, they can be described with one word. You can figure that word out for yourself.

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Script programs have to communicate with a 3rd party server before they communicate with the game server? I highly doubt that is the case.

There is plenty of empirical evidence in game that shows that scripts are faster than humans. If scripting made you slower, then why did so many people use scripts to place at IDOCs? It got so bad that the devs had to rewrite the housing code. Then there's scripting of corpse looting, or of stealable artifacts, or (back in the day) of gold at champ spawns. People wouldn't use scripts if there wasn't an advantage to doing so.

Reaction time and a standalone script (what you provide example of) are A to B in nature...while the process we are arguing uses A to B...then B processes this information...which then B relays it on over to C. Then C processes this information which then makes the changes visible to A.With that being said, there is no fair way to compare the two...as apples and pineapples are really not alike at all...besides being a fruit that is.

Standalones are fast...I give you that...but EZ is not a standalone. Providing examples of such will not help your arguement because the examples dont follow the process and communication which EZ does. Second, what gives the non scripter more speed in this situation is that the non scripter can intuitively be ready for a poison before said poison even goes off...there isnt a script out there that can do that.

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Look - Stop being such a noob and go download all of these "morally wrong" programs and use them yourself. Stop being such a blowhard "im gonna take the high road cause im so valorous" type of person. If your concerned about morals - dont lie cheat and steal in real life. In UO... Do whatever the hell you want. ITS A VIDEO GAME.

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It has nothing about morals dippy...we are argueing the semantics of speed here. I tried this EZ crap out...tried that medic crap two years ago. Also tried variations of such to find out what all the hype was about later on...and I will say the same again...nothing beats intuition...well mapped keys...and a fairly decent reaction time. Nuff said.

And if you still think someone is cheating because they cured right after being poisoned...lol @ u. Of course you are going to think I am cheating when your ****** strong script cannot compete. Spend 50+ bucks on a good gaming mouse and then maybe those of you complaining will have nothing to say about how fast someones cure is.

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Restroom Cowboy - You're absolutely wrong on the practical side of everything you described. I cannot break it down to you AGAIN and honestly I don't think I care to any longer! I suppose you PvP but are making up "ways" these guys don't cheat. I've been through that stage trying to tell myself UO is fine.. I understand the dedication to the game, don't worry.

As for your theories of "Script > Server > Player" and the other mumbo-jumbo?
It's like that professor I had in university.
He used to argue various stuff like that, saying that higher ping shouldn't matter, that if I ping 90 on a 50 Meg connection it's the same as pinging 90 on a 2 Mbit connection so at ping 90 and below there is no difference in speed... Etc.. He could 'PROVE' what he was saying and it sounded COMPLETELY REASONABLE. But when I showed him how it is in-game he just couldn't explain "..What he miscalculated.." and why I'm faster or slower than I should be.

I believe it's the same with you.

I guess we agree to disagree, with me having used said scripts and you.. theorizing. Thanks though as said before.

Also tell me, if these scripts fail to make you faster how come people use them, and how come every person using them is much faster than anything I've seen including myself? And yeah it's THAT blatantly obvious they use them NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SLOW AS NORMAL OR SLOWER. BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE FASTER IN A VERY MECHANICAL AND ARTIFICIAL WAY AND IT SHOWS.

To the guy arguing morals? Yes let's not confuse real life and games. And let's not confuse what's allowed and what's not in said games. :loser:
Neither shall we confuse what needs to be done to those who do things that are not allowed. All morals aside, pure reason. :loser:

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BBQLou, how about : Insta Cure/Heal/Refresh/Dex/Str/Apple/Petal on PERFECT time, Dismount/Remount(and manually seeing the bola text so you drop off horse), weapon switching and bola throwing, hitting Confidence, keeping your mount under control shouting orders, talking on Ventrillo and trailing your target everywhere they go like mad, faster on foot than they are on horse, managing your Special Moves, using a Trapped Box, using Teleport Scrolls, Recalling/SacredJourney out of harm if needed... I lost count of what else these guys do PER SECOND.
Oh yeah, meanwhile TYPING "Omg nub dont run1!!11 We onznrwor j00". Yeah they aren't macros they just type normally like all's cool, they even answer stuff you may ask them. I tried it. While dying. I had macro'd the questions, and yes I'm serious.
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And you're doing these functions COMBINED 24/7 without fail, without variation. In COMPLETE COORDINATION with your friends who seem to be working AT THE SAME SPEEDS COMPLETELY, DOING THE EXACT SAME THINGS AND HAVING THE EXACT SAME REACTIONS AND RESULTS.

ALL THIS WHILE -SPEEDHACKING- around my screen. Or can you explain that through proper PvP training? Maybe you're gonna argue your keyboard's keys all suppressed with coins and other weights...? :bowdown:

You instantly curing? Possibly. All the above? Not.
You even say it yourself. Such fast usage of items would require to actually keep buttons pressed AMONG OTHER THINGS.
BUSYING YOUR SELF. BUSYING YOUR ONLY TWO HANDS AND SINGLE BRAIN.
BUSYING YOUR KEYBOARD. You know what, I won't even go on.

Awwwwwww****. I said it before- I DID SMELL THEM COMING TO TELL ME "HOW WRONG I AM.".

Someone had to really point these things out AGAIN with SA coming out.
To the "morals" guy again: I'll take your advice and use these things. Best.

PS> A particular person on Europa COULD NOT BE KILLED BY 4 PEOPLE WHILE HE WAS AFK!! Nevermind trying when he was "there" even with 8 or 9 people. Due to scripts and cheats like over-casting, healing on the run etc.. Thank you very much. I would name him right here and now in fact, but I guess I can't even though he doesn't play anymore. If I did though it would CERTAINLY RING A BELL TO MANY EUROPA PVPERS.

Look - Stop being such a noob and go download all of these "morally wrong" programs and use them yourself. Stop being such a blowhard "im gonna take the high road cause im so valorous" type of person. If your concerned about morals - dont lie cheat and steal in real life. In UO... Do whatever the hell you want. ITS A VIDEO GAME.

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We already know about your morales, or lack there of.

Not only do you deal in duped items, but I'm sure you apply your logic to every part of the game you touch.

BBQLou, how about : Insta Cure/Heal/Refresh/Dex/Str/Apple/Petal on PERFECT time, Dismount/Remount(and manually seeing the bola text so you drop off horse), weapon switching and bola throwing, hitting Confidence, keeping your mount under control shouting orders, talking on Ventrillo and trailing your target everywhere they go like mad, faster on foot than they are on horse, managing your Special Moves, using a Trapped Box, using Teleport Scrolls, Recalling/SacredJourney out of harm if needed... I lost count of what else these guys do PER SECOND.
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I don't use cheats, but listening to people like you cry because they don't know how to do a certain thing is really annoying, Everything you just said was hacks or scripts can be done via UOA, so please end this. If you would like some tips PM me and I can tell you how to do them, but randomly calling me a cheater or hacker is only making you look like an idiot. Yeah their are a lot of people who use speeders I won't disagree with you on that one, but the stuff you're talking about can done through UOA. No I wasn't defending cheats either. I simply told you that the things you said could be done using UOA.

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Look - Stop being such a noob and go download all of these "morally wrong" programs and use them yourself. Stop being such a blowhard "im gonna take the high road cause im so valorous" type of person. If your concerned about morals - dont lie cheat and steal in real life. In UO... Do whatever the hell you want. ITS A VIDEO GAME.

lol his own guild banned him from their fourms because he was an idiot.

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Sorry - I think you might be confused. What are you talking about?! Such nonsense... thats another thing I hated about UO. so many people think they know what their talking about when they really dont.

Sorry - I think you might be confused. What are you talking about?! Such nonsense... thats another thing I hated about UO. so many people think they know what their talking about when they really dont.

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You know what I hate about UO? People that don't play UO posting all the time on boards dedicated to UO. Doesn't that sort of childish behavior annoy you?

Sorry - I think you might be confused. What are you talking about?! Such nonsense... thats another thing I hated about UO. so many people think they know what their talking about when they really dont.

Thats what I can always rely on with the UO nuts - You all cant help yourself to join in a good "logical debate"

All the nuts come out of the shadows and flip through their thesaurus and try to sound all smart. haha!

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I, for one, thank you for not trying to sound all smart like the rest of us. Its a refreshing change of pace. Well, its a change of pace if you don't read posts from other posters like yourself at least.

I, for one, thank you for not trying to sound all smart like the rest of us. Its a refreshing change of pace. Well, its a change of pace if you don't read posts from other posters like yourself at least.

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On the cleverness scale.. I would rate this one a 5 out of 10. Sorry buddy, pretty lame.

Think a bit harder next time, and use your thesaurus. Then you might get a higher score.

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