'The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell' for Tuesday, August 2, 2011

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LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST: Have you ever had to work on the weekend? Yes, I have, too. I mean, not too often, but I`ve done. You know what Congress does after it works on the weekend? Takes a month off.

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CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: Finally, the end of the debt debate.

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS: Over for now.

O`DONNELL (voice-over): The debt deal is done. Now, it`s time to campaign.

DAVID GREGORY, NBC NEWS: Crisis averted and now, we`re on to more fighting.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NEWS: Boy, it`s going to be a hot summer recess for a lot of members of Congress.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I`m pretty happy.

O`DONNELL: And now, Democrats want to talk about jobs.

TODD: That`s not necessarily good news for Mitt Romney.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: Enough talk about the debt, we have to talk about jobs.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: That`s the principle I`ll be fighting for during the next phase of this process.

PELOSI: Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. You cannot say it enough.

TODD: Still a pretty ugly economy out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Confidence was very damaged by this spectacle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The politicians won and America lost.

O`DONNELL: The president has some work to do to prove he did the best he could.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bet he`s making is that he can get what he wants in the second round.

WILLIAMS: The president clearly now has his fight on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The press likes to play the long game.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: People are angry. They`re angry out there.

REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER (D), MISSOURI: It looks like a Satan sandwich.

PELOSI: Some Satan fries on the side.

OBAMA: I want to thank the American people.

JON STEWART, COMEDIAN: You`re not pinning this turd on us.

O`DONNELL: And Mitt Romney promises to start thinking about when to start campaigning.

JON HUNTSMAN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Look at Governor Romney --

TODD: Romney released an 11th hour statement on the debt deal.

HUNTSMAN: It`s easy to take a political position later on.

TODD: Literally just after we went off the air.

HUNTSMAN: -- to wait until the debate is over effectively and to take a side. I don`t consider that to be leadership.

TODD: Mittness protection program.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: What happens when America says where were you in the war, daddy?

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O`DONNELL: At 12:30 Eastern today, August 2nd, the Senate passed the largest and most unfair deficit reduction bill in history.

The only reason the bill could pass the Senate is that it happened to include one sentence that raises the nation`s debt ceiling. Shortly after, President Obama signed the bill into law, thus avoiding a debt default that would have been catastrophic for an already fragile economy.

With an immediate disaster averted, the president looked ahead to what`s next, reaching an agreement for an additional $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction before the end of the year, while somehow simultaneously focusing on jobs.

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OBAMA: Since you can`t close the deficit with just spending cuts, we`ll need a balanced approach where everything`s on the table. Yes, that means making some adjustments to protect health care programs like Medicare so they are there for future generations. It also means reforming our tax code so that the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations pay their fair share. That`s the principle I`ll be fighting for during the next phase of this process.

And in the coming months, I`ll continue to also fight for what the American people care most about: new jobs, higher wages, and faster economic growth.

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O`DONNELL: The president again called on Congress to act on his proposals to create jobs and spur economic growth and infrastructure bank to help finance construction work on roads and bridges in need of repair, a payroll tax holiday, an extension of unemployment benefits, patent reform, and new international trade deals.

There were few members of Congress left in town to listen to the president`s agenda since Congress is now on a five-week recess.

Congress left town without extending the Federal Aviation Administration`s operating authority, which is negatively impacting both jobs and the deficit.

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OBAMA: There`s another stalemate in Congress right now involving our aviation industry which has stalled airport construction projects all around the country and put the jobs of tens of thousands of construction workers and others at risk because of politics. It`s another Washington-inflicted wound on America, and Congress needs to break that impasse now -- hopefully before the Senate adjourns so these folks can get back to work.

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O`DONNELL: As previously reported on this program, nearly 4,000 FAA employees have been furloughed and 200 construction projects have been halted, which has left 70,000 workers idle according to Secretary Transportation Ray LaHood. And the revenue loss from airline taxes could reach $1.2 billion if the situation isn`t resolved before Congress returns in September.

Joining me now is Robert Reich, former labor secretary in the Clinton administration. He`s now a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, and the author of "Aftershock," now in paperback.

And Mark Zandi, the chief economist for Moody`s Analytics. He worked as an adviser to the McCain campaign and the Obama administration.

Thank you both for joining me tonight.

Professor Reich, I want to go to the question of what have we done to the economy with this legislation?

ROBERT REICH, FORMER LABOR SECRETARY: Well, the good news, obviously, Lawrence, is that the economy now doesn`t have the sword of Damocles hanging over it. We are now can pay our debts. We`re not defaulting on our national debt, and we won`t face an economic calamity.

The bad news is the president has essentially tied his hands and the hands of Congress with regard to boosting the economy. Right now, I don`t have to tell you, joblessness is huge, the economy is not growing. Friday, we`ll find out how many jobs were created in July

But don`t hold your breath. It probably was not many. We need 125,000 new jobs just to keep up with population growth and I don`t know anybody who thinks we`re going to be there.

So, you need a boost from the government. You need, in my view, a WPA, Civilian Conservation Corps, maybe exempting the first $10,000 or $20,000 of income from payroll taxes. You need something to do with housing. You have to help distressed homeowners. I mean, a lot of things that need to be done that constitute a jobs program.

But given this deal, it`s going to be terribly difficult, if not impossible, to muster the political will, the political courage, the votes necessary to get a jobs bill through.

O`DONNELL: Mark Zandi, how do you see this deficit reduction package affecting the economy and specifically the job market?

MARK ZANDI, MOODY`S ANALYTICS: Well, I think it was a good deal. You know, I think it`s not a solution to our long-term fiscal problems. We need some tax revenue to solve our problems, but it`s a good step in the right direction.

You know, when we started debating this, I think everyone came to the conclusion we needed about $4 trillion in 10-year deficit reduction, $2 trillion of which would be spending cuts, $1 trillion would be additional tax revenue, and you get another trillion in lower interest payments on the debt.

Well, this deal got us the $2 trillion in spending cuts and interest savings as well.

So, we`re part of the way there, and I think that`s very helpful.

Now, it`s not going to help the job market in the near term. We`ve got to do other things to try to support the job market over the next 12, 18 months. But I do think this is a good thing for the economy, for the job market in the long-term.

We need tax revenue, we need to come back and address that. But this is a good first step.

O`DONNELL: Bob, Mark says we have to do things in the shorter term on jobs. You`ve been labor secretary. You`ve been there looking at the programs and options we have.

Within this budget environment and this spending cuts environment, what can the Labor Department, what can the president, what can the Congress get together and do?

REICH: Unfortunately, not all that much. The controls, the caps, the restrictions in this new deal make it terribly difficult to have a real economic boost. Whether you call it a stimulus, whether your call it a WPA, whether you call it extended unemployment insurance, and all of the other things that the government can do.

Jobs infrastructure bank, for example, something that the president mentioned today, well, it`s not clear how an infrastructure bank could be organized without any federal sweeteners at all. And yet, this new deal makes it very hard to put any federal sweeteners into an infrastructure bank.

So, look, I want to agree with Mark Zandi in terms of the long-term, over the 10 years, it`s good we got started on deficit reduction. But the problem is the conservatives have framed the issue right now as if deficit reduction creates jobs, as if the government, by shrinking the government, you generate a better economy and more jobs.

And, frankly, nothing could be further from the truth. This is a giant lie and Obama is going to have a difficult time, as are Democrats, reversing this lie.

O`DONNELL: Mark, I see you nodding when Bob was speaking. Do you agree that spending cuts do not create jobs?

ZANDI: Certainly not in the near term. I mean, I think this disconnect we`re having in the debate is that in the very near term, if you had spending cuts, you`re going to weaken the economy.

Now, I do agree that in the long run, we need to have spending cuts to get back to fiscal sustainability. Otherwise, we`re not going to have a good long run economic performance. But in the very near term, I would agree with Bob that we need some additional help to the economy.

So, for example, extending the payroll tax holiday for another year probably would be a very good idea, because if we don`t do things like that, there`s already a lot of fiscal drag, fiscal restraint already in policy that, I think, given the recent economic data and how soft the economy is probably is not the right thing to do.

O`DONNELL: Bob, we go to the question of revenues in the future. Mark has said, acknowledged, that we do need revenues in the future. But I just want to read you from Mark`s report. We`ll use your report, Mark, to speak for you on this.

ZANDI: Sure.

O`DONNELL: "On paper, the congressional commission can use either spending cuts or tax revenue increases to achieve its goal of cutting the deficit by $1.5 trillion over 10 years. In practice, the commission will likely agree only to spending cuts."

Bob, is that your view? How do you see this super committee that`s being created in Congress dealing with the issue of tax revenues?

REICH: Well, Republicans have absolutely refused to raise taxes and there`s no reason to suppose that by the end of the year, come Thanksgiving when this commission is supposed to report to Congress and then Congress has to take up that package and vote up-or-down, there`s no reason to assume the Republicans are going to change their mind. In fact, I think they are going to be more dug in, having won essentially their victor on the debt ceiling, now, the Tea Party feels like it can flex its muscles more.

So, we`re not going to see any revenue enhancers or tax increases on the wealthy, even though the rich are richer now than they`ve ever been in American history and they are taking home a larger slice of American total income than they have since 1928. Nevertheless, they are not going to pay their fair share. That means that there`s going to be another struggle around Thanksgiving or before Thanksgiving, the same thing we`ve been through already.

What happens is Congress is probably not going to reach agreement. And that means the automatic triggers will come into effect and that`s where the action is going to be. Those automatic triggers are going to make a lot of cuts in defense, but also, probably -- probably -- Medicare and a lot of domestic discretionary programs. That is not going to be good for an economy that is still in the gravitational pull of this great recession, and it does not spell fairness.

O`DONNELL: Mark, you know how to talk to Republicans. Quickly before we go, tell me how you would explain to an anti-tax Republican why we need tax revenue in the longer run.

ZANDI: Well, I don`t think we`re going to get to the $4 trillion in deficit reduction that we need without it, and I think reducing tax expenditures -- those are the loopholes in the tax code, is something that everyone can get onboard with. I mean, broadening the tax base will generate a lot of revenue. It will make the tax code more fair, more efficient, less complex. And you could, in fact, generate so much revenue that you could lower marginal rates for corporate taxes and personal income tax. And I think everyone would like to see that.

So, I think that`s something Democrats and Republicans could get on board with and I think we`ll have a window to do that once we start to approach the expiration of the Bush tax cuts in 2012.

O`DONNELL: Mark Zandi of Moody`s and Robert Reich, former labor secretary, thank you both very much for joining me this evening.

REICH: Thanks, Lawrence.

ZANDI: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, Matt Damon rewrites the political caricature of the American public school teacher. His eloquent argument is tonight`s "Rewrite."

But, first, Howard Fineman on what was gained and lost in the debt ceiling fight. That`s next.

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O`DONNELL: Coming up: 2012`s current Republican front-runner for the presidency is actually campaigning less than any other candidate, earning his campaign the new label "the Mittness protection program."

And Steven Colbert retells the debt fight as a children`s story. That`s next.

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STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: This summer, the largest billy goat came clopping up and said, Mr. Troll, I will not raise the debt ceiling unless I get to gouge out your eyes and throw you off the bridge.

So, the troll had to compromise by gouging out his own eyes and throwing himself off the bridge.

And the moral of the story is, when the first goat comes along, you got to tear its head off, have sex with the neck hole and then mail the carcass back to its brothers and say any of you another goat (EXPLETIVE DELETED) want to put a hook on my bridge?

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O`DONNELL: Across the country and on the Internet, the American people have reacted to the debt ceiling deal with a sarcastic and disgusted slow clap.

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O`DONNELL: Tea Party activists and leaders told "The Wall Street Journal" they saw no triumph in the compromise. That doesn`t mean a weary nation won`t be immediately subjected to the next round of the budget fight. The deal called for a special congressional committee of 12 members to find $1.5 trillion in debt reduction over the next 10 years.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and other Republicans have said that they will only appoint anti-tax advocates to their six slots on the committee. Progressives are now demanding that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid only appoint people who will protect Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Pelosi came close to endorsing that idea.

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PELOSI: Let me say it is more than a priority. It`s a value. It`s an ethic for the American people. It is one that all of the members of our caucus share, so that I know whoever`s at that table will be someone who will fight to protect those benefits.

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O`DONNELL: Republican Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell -- no, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell -- got to correct those things -- is ready to have this fight over and over again.

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SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: It set the template for the future. And in the future, no president -- in the near future, maybe in the distant future, is going to be able to get a debt ceiling increase without a re-ignition, a reigniting of the same discussion of how do we cut spending and get America headed in the right direction. I expect the next president, whoever that is, is going to be asking us to raise the debt ceiling again in 2013. So, we`ll be doing it all over.

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O`DONNELL: Joining me now is MSNBC political analyst Howard Fineman, editorial director at "The Huffington Post."

Howard, the MSNBC teleprompter tonight has prematurely labeled Mitch McConnell the majority leader. But is enough of a winner coming out of this debt deal and with the lineup of Senate incumbents that are up for election next year, such that he is possibly on his way to being the next majority leader of the Senate?

HOWARD FINEMAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, quite possibly, Lawrence, I think he`s one of the winners, politically, out of this, because he`s really the guy who brokered the deal and he very shrewdly used the energy of the Tea Party and the threat of the Tea Party to kind of go to Joe Biden, his old buddy from the Senate, and go to the president and said, here`s what we`re going to have to do. And I think in the end, the president pretty much took what McConnell offered with some trims here and there.

By the way, Mitch McConnell is already describing that special, especially empowered committee, which we at "The Huffington Post" are calling the super Congress. He already describes that as the cost-cutting committee. He said that on the floor today.

It`s the cost-cutting committee, thereby demonstrating exactly how he views the role of that thing and the type of people he`s going to put on it.

O`DONNELL: Well, you know, Harry Reid has got something to say about who gets on that committee, which I`m going to call a super committee, not a super Congress, because it`s functioning as a committee.

FINEMAN: OK.

O`DONNELL: I`m not going to get carried away, Howard, with this super Congress stuff.

And Harry Reid, in my interview with him some months ago, I asked him when he thought we might have to make adjustments in Social Security, any kinds of trims, any kinds of adjustments in order to keep it solvent going forward. And his answer to me was 20 years from now. He said he wouldn`t consider doing it for another two decades.

So, that`s his attitude about protecting Social Security going into this. So, might we expect for him to be appointing real, hard liners on protecting the programs Democrats need to protect?

FINEMAN: Oh, I think he will, and I think the Republicans have already acknowledged that Social Security`s probably not going to be at the heart of what the super committee does, because if the triggers are reached, Social Security`s left out of the trigger mechanism.

My expectation is that that McConnell and Boehner on the Republican side and Reid and Pelosi on the Democratic side will appoint hard-liners, people that they trust to hold the line for the two philosophies and the two sets of programs you were talking about -- which means it`s quite possible, I think, that the committee won`t reach an agreement, at which time we go to the triggers.

And the problem there as Robert Reich was explaining, you`re talking about withdrawing a lot of money out of the economy at that point.

And let`s make -- let`s say this about defense spending, Lawrence. It`s not just the conservatives and the hawks who care about defense spending, most defense spending takes place in the United States, and a lot of defense spending, whether you like it or not, is a type of spending that creates jobs. So, you`re looking at a tremendous potential hit to the economy that would occur next Christmas time, right into the teeth of the presidential election in 2012.

President Obama, by going along with this deal, may have really dug himself into an even deeper political and economic hole.

O`DONNELL: MSNBC political analyst Howard Fineman -- thank you very much for joining me tonight, Howard.

FINEMAN: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, finally, some sparks are flying in the Republican presidential campaign as Jon Huntsman takes on Mitt Romney on jobs and much more.

And the FBI says it has new information about what happened to D.B. Cooper. Yes, we`re going to go way back for this one. The guy who hijacked a plane 40 years ago, jumped out with $200,000, parachuted down and was never seen again.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: D.B., it looks like I`m going to be taking all the money now because of the personal humiliation involved, you understand?

O`DONNELL: That`s Treat Williams and Kathryn Harrold, who starred in the movie "The Pursuit of D.B. Cooper," along with Robert Duvall. The movie offered one possible explanation for the mystery of D.B. Cooper.

The FBI has traced more than 1,000 leads in the case, but there are new reports that the FBI is pursuing a new suspect.

In 1971, Cooper hijacked a plane over Washington state, threatened the crew with a bomb, got a $200,000 ransom, then parachuted to freedom.

In the movie, he escaped with the help of his girlfriend. In real life, the FBI doesn`t know how he escaped and now says it may never know because their D.B. Cooper suspect may be dead. Even though the new suspect has been dead for more than 10 years, investigators are searching for fingerprints or DNA to compare the DNA from Cooper they found on the clip-on tie that he left on the plane.

Still to come tonight: with the debt ceiling fight over, maybe the 2012 Republican candidates can get some attention, especially if they attack each other.

And Matt Damon tries to explain to a right-wing Web site why teachers teach. That`s in the "Rewrite."

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O`DONNELL: One day after Willard M. Romney`s campaign staff issued a written statement announcing his opposition to the debt ceiling deal, the staff announced some additions to his campaign schedule, which still will keep him mostly close to home in New Hampshire. Today, Ben Smith coined the political phrase of the day, possibly the political phrase of the year so far, when he described Mitt Romney as being in the "Mittness Protection Program."

And there was this headline in the "Des Moines Register," "Don`t Take It Personally, Iowa, Romney`s Avoiding Everyone."

Joining me now is Joshua Green, senior political editor for the "Atlantic." Thanks for joining me tonight, Josh. Romney`s position here as the kind of front-runner who campaigns the least, how long can he keep that math going?

JOSHUA GREEN, "THE ATLANTIC": Yeah, we`ve kind of got a contest in the press. I call him "The Phantom Front-Runner." Other people call him "the Missing Mormon."

It think Ben Smith at "Politico" did take the cake with "Mittness Protection Program." But look, this has been Mitt Romney`s M.O. from the very outset. I wrote a column last May joking that he put the invisible in the invisible primary, because he really just wasn`t showing up to these events.

That`s a conscious strategy on the part of Romney and his advisors, who have decided look, we`re in the front-runners in this race. We don`t have to go out there and mix it up on these day-to-day political fights. It`s really up to our opponents to force us to engage.

And if they don`t, we`re just going to sit back and enjoy our lead in the polls.

JON HUNTSMAN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You look at Governor Romney, you look at some of the others in the race. You can see they`ve all kind of taken different positions.

It`s easy to take a political position later on. It`s tough to take a position early on, which is the real world. These are real world issues and leaders step up.

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O`DONNELL: I guess I should have watched the video before I introduced it. Is that the best shot Huntsman has?

GREEN: It actually is, yeah. He`s the polite candidate. But look, he`s also in a position where he has to make attacks, even sort of meek Huntsman-like attacks like that one, because he`s the margin of error candidate, as he says himself. And Romney`s the guy on top of the polls.

And at the end of the day, Romney`s the one winning this race, even though people consider him a weak front-runner, even though he has only a plurality and not a majority. It`s really up to the folks behind him if they want to overtake him and knock him out of that top spot, to force him to engage by attacking him. So far, nobody`s really been successful at doing that.

O`DONNELL: The Bachmann campaign is touting her, you know, absolutely flawless consistency on the debt ceiling and being against it and having the chance to vote against it in the House. The Paul campaign, the Paul family, Rand Paul, now, is joining in a mailer that`s going around New Hampshire attacking Romney for his flip-flops, presumably the mailer paid for by his father`s presidential campaign.

My bet is on Ron Paul as being the guy who will be the guy who will end up throwing the closest thing to what we might be able to call punches in this campaign.

GREEN: I think it could be. You can`t question Ron Paul`s staunch conservatism. He votes no on everything and anything. But, you know, I would actually argue that Romney has been wise in holding back. You know, last time around, he tried to kind of out-do every other social conservative and be, you know, tougher and more aggressive and more out there than anybody else.

And he wound up basically humiliating himself. Nobody bought the idea that Mitt Romney is this far right conservative. He was the guy who supported an individual mandate. He`d been the governor of a blue state. He`s not going to win a contest with Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul when it comes to who`s the most conservative.

So what Romney`s trying to do is to hold back for as long as he can and be palatable to enough conservatives to win the nomination, without alienating general election voters.

O`DONNELL: Josh Green, senior political editor for "The Atlantic," thank you for joining me tonight. >

GREEN: Good to be with you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, a 21st century famine. The tragedy in Somalia continues.

But first, Matt Damon takes on the political myth of the incompetent public school teacher clinging to tenure and ruining education in America. That`s in the Rewrite.

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O`DONNELL: Time for tonight`s Rewrite. When I brought home a bad report card, it never occurred to me or my parents to blame my teacher. We knew what the problem was. The problem was I just didn`t study hard enough. Or in some cases, I didn`t have much aptitude for the subject. And some subjects I was simply afraid of, like chemistry. I never really knew what was going on in chemistry. And that was not the teacher`s fault.

None of my older brothers did well in chemistry. And they all promised me that I wouldn`t do well either. And I met their expectations. I also hated and did badly in anything involving writing of any kind, which is kind of like wicked ironic, since I then grew up to be a writer.

That just points to the unpredictable ways we learn things. I couldn`t be taught writing in school. But later, as an adult on my own, I could somehow get the hang of it. None of the teachers who tried and failed to teach me how to write should be blamed for my failure as a writing student.

There are countless complex variables that go into what we call student achievement. The teacher is only one of those variables.

More important factors are home learning environments, individual student aptitudes, individual student effort, the student`s expectation, the student`s family`s expectation, the number of students in the classroom, the temperature of the classroom, undiagnosed eyesight infirmities that make reading difficult.

The list goes on and on and on. And the more professional educators have consider the factors that go into student achievement, and the more they have attempted to address those factors, the more our politics have oversimplified them to the point that, by the end of the first decade of the 21st century, our politics, Democrat and Republican, has reached the consensus that all perceived underachievement by students is entirely the fault of teachers.

This idea has taken hold across the political spectrum. Show business liberals make documentaries that they think prove it`s all the teacher`s fault. A Republican president followed now by a Democratic president adhere to the belief that there`s a regime of standardized testing of students that will measure not just the student`s achievement but teaching excellence.

The blame the teacher movement began not as the product of reliable research on academic performance, but as a right-wing Republican political movement, an anti-union movement, specifically an anti-teacher`s union movement. Teachers unions were targeted by Republicans to take the blame for any disappointing academic achievement statistics in America.

Republicans targeted teachers as soon as they saw teachers aligning themselves so often with the Democratic party. Now which party should the teachers unions have seen as best representing their concerns? The party that wanted to cut taxes and cut spending on public schools, cut sports programs, cut arts education, cut the band, cut educational resources across the board, so that we could then have even more tax cuts?

Or the party that wanted to deliver to teachers the resources they need in the classroom and the resources that every school needs to provide a full educational experience? In a cris de coeur to both parties, teachers went to Washington on Saturday for a Save Our Schools Rally. And they were joined by exactly one celebrity.

Matt Damon flew overnight from Vancouver to New York and then to Washington to address the rally and to address a right-wing website that has blind faith -- blind to the facts that is -- blind faith in the blame the teacher theory.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In acting, there is -- there isn`t job security, right? There`s an incentive to work hard and be a better actor, because you want to have a job. So why isn`t it like that for teacher?

MATT DAMON, ACTOR: You think job insecurity is what makes me work hard?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you have an incentive to work hard.

DAMON: I want to be an actor. That`s not an incentive. That`s the thing. You see, you take this MBA style thinking, right. It`s the problem with ed policy right now, is this intrinsically paternalistic view of problems that are much more complex than that.

It`s like saying a teacher is going to get lazy when they have tenure. A teacher wants to teach. Why else would you take a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) salary and really long hours and do that job unless you really love to do it?

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O`DONNELL: That`s how crazy the attack on teachers has become. Comparing public school teachers work incentives to the work incentives of movie stars. It has never occurred to the teacher haters that teachers want to be teachers for any reason other than job security. It has never occurred to them that teachers might want to be teachers because they like teaching, because they love teaching, and because they care about their students.

The right-wing attackers of teachers have never even shown the slightest curiosity about the job performance of another group of government workers who have very, very high job security, police officers. And police officers carry guns instead of textbooks. And as we`ve seen in New Orleans after Katrina and in countless other cases around the country, police officers have sometimes used those guns to shoot and kill innocent people.

They have done so accidentally, which is in some cases understandable and forgivable. And some of the them -- statistically very few to be sure -- have done so deliberately, maliciously, with full criminal intent. They have summarily executed people.

The worst teacher in America could never do as much damage as the worst police officer in America. But the right wing has never even been slightly curious about evaluating the job performance of police officers. Never once has Republican world said hey, maybe we should look into how police officers are carrying out their solemn public responsibility to serve and protect.

No -- no right wing website in America is investigating or will ever investigate how well police officers do their jobs. The targeting of teachers has been a vicious and politically deliberate action. And it has been so successful that many of its fundamental falsehoods are accepted as true by both Republicans and Democrats in our ongoing dialogue about public Education.

I spent a few years after college as a Boston public school teacher and I loved it. But I was never committed to it, committed to it as a career. I moved on to easier, better paying jobs, like this one. Teachers who have committed their lives to the classroom deserve better than our politics has given them. And no one has offered a better Rewrite of the current political caricature of the lazy, uninterested teacher clinging to tenure than Matt Damon did on Saturday.

And no more important speech was given in Washington that day.

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DAMON: So I was raised by a teacher who you just met. And my mom was a professor of early childhood education. And from the time I was in kindergarten, as she said, all the way through my high school graduation, I attended public schools.

And I would not trade that education, that experience, for anything. I had incredible teachers. And as I look at my life today, the things that I value the most about myself -- my imagination, my love of acting, my passion for writing, my love of learning, my curiosity -- all of these things came from the way I was parented and taught.

And none of these qualities that I just mentioned -- none of these qualities that I prize so deeply -- none of these qualities that have brought me so much joy, that have made me so successful professionally, none of these qualities that make me who I am, can be tested.

Now, I said before that I had incredible teachers. And that`s true. But it`s more than that. My teachers were empowered to teach me. Their time was not taken up with a bunch of silly test prep, a bunch of drill and kill nonsense that any serious person knows doesn`t promote real learning.

No, my teachers were free to approach me and every other kid in that classroom like an individual puzzle. They took so much care in figuring out who we were and how to best make the lessons resonate with each of us. They were empowered to unlock our potential.

In other words, they were allowed to be teachers.

I honestly don`t know where I would be today if that was the type of education I had. I sure as hell wouldn`t be here. I do know that.

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O`DONNELL: We turn now to East Africa where the worst drought in 60 years and a lack of humanitarian assistance have left tens of thousands dead, and over 12 million starving. Worst hit has been Somalia, which has lacked a central government, in effect, since 1991. The United Nations has declared famine conditions in two southern areas of Somalia. Both those areas are controlled by al Shabaab, which the U.S. State Department deemed a terrorist group in 2008 due in part to its support of al Qaeda.

Al Shabaab has prevented aid from reaching the starving by threatening and killing western aide workers and diverting and collecting bribes on supplies. Aide organizations that pay those bribes risk violating U.S. sanctions that ban providing material support to terrorist organizations.

Because the situation is so dire, today the White House relaxed restrictions for aide organizations operating in good faith.

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JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: -- new guidance to allow more flexibility to provide a wider range of aide to a larger number of areas in need. This new guidance should help clarify that aide workers who are partnering with the U.S. government to help save lives under difficult and dangerous conditions are not in conflict with U.S. laws and regulations.

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O`DONNELL: Joining me now, chief executive officer and president of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, Caryl Stern. Thanks for joining me tonight, Caryl.

ARYL STERN, U.S. FUND FOR UNICEF: Thanks, Lawrence. Good to be here.

O`DONNELL: Caryl, what`s your reaction to the White House`s decision today to ease those restrictions on the aide organizations?

STERN: You know, saving children`s lives shouldn`t be a political decision. I would hope if it were my child that was starving that the world would do whatever it takes to save my child. So while it may not be the best of political circumstances, it`s in the best interest of children. And I`m proud our president made that decision.

O`DONNELL: Acryl, how do you operate under those conditions, where you have this terrorist organization that is, in effect, siphoning out some amount of what people are trying to deliver there?

STERN: UNICEF has a unique situation in that, you know, we`re on the ground yesterday, today, tomorrow. We are part of that -- being that trusted neighbor. So we have been working in Somalia. We were able to air lift some supplies in last week.

And you do the best you can. We have amazingly brave and passionate workers who, again, are going to do whatever it takes.

O`DONNELL: What do you need now? And what do the other organizations operating there need now?

STERN: Dollars. We truly need dollars. One of the things I think the world doesn`t understand when an emergency like this hits -- and you need to understand this is an emergency on the level of a cyclone or a tsunami. It`s an L-3, as they call it at the U.N.

We`re not banks. We don`t stockpile resources for this day. That means you don`t want us to have to make a decision to take money from another country`s children to save the children in the Horn of Africa. It is going to take dollars.

O`DONNELL: And Caryl, what do you say to people -- I know when people think about making these contributions, they want to think of every penny they hand over as actually going to the problem. And we know with these people there that are siphoning off some of the money and taking these bribes and demanding bribes and all of that -- we know that there`s going to be some drainage of what`s going on in the effort.

What do you say to people in that situation, to donors?

STERN: I say first of all, you work with those organizations, again, who are large enough, powerful enough, and been on the ground long enough to know the best way to get supplies there. Check the track records of organizations. It`s public information.

And secondly, consider it if it was your child. Children shouldn`t be defined by borders. They`re defined by age. We`re the grownups. If it were my child, I`d be willing to have some siphoned if it meant the difference of life or death.

O`DONNELL: Going forward, what is your sense of where we will be a month from now in this crisis?

STERN: You know, a lot of that depends on the public. We are in need of 300 million dollars for the next several months, to get us through the end of the year, to save the lives we`re trying to save right now. And at this point, we`re 200 million dollars away from that goal.

We are in dire need of dollars. And it is critical that people respond and see these children for the people that they are. I have heard stories this past week from workers on the ground, from people who are moms making choices which child shall live and which child shall not. No mom should have to make that choice because food is so scarce.

No one should die in today`s day and age because they don`t have enough to eat.

O`DONNELL: And Caryl, how do you protect your workers in that environment, where you have these people around them who are -- they are worse than just bribe takers. They can do worse damage than that.

STERN: They can. Obviously, all security precautions are taken. We value our workers highly. But they are going in. They are doing the work. They are putting children first.

O`DONNELL: Caryl Stern, president and CEO of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, thank you very much for joining me tonight. And thank you very much for your work.

STERN: Thank you. And thank you for your fans, as well, for all you`ve done for Malawi. Greatly appreciate it.

O`DONNELL: Thanks. You can have THE LAST WORD online at our blog, TheLastWord.MSNBC.com. You can follow my Tweets @Lawrence. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" is up next.

Good evening, Rachel. Welcome back.

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