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Sid: Now I have a book titled “Worship Warrior” by Chuck Pierce. I’m speaking to him at his office in Denton, Texas and I have to tell you after reading your book Chuck I put a worship CD on and as a matter of fact I did this last night. And I turned the lights down and I was in a room by myself and I just raised my hands and I started worshiping God. And of course I’d just read in your book about this whole concept of ascension of ascending but this wasn’t my imagination. In my mind’s eye I saw some angels, now I’d never seen that before is that unusual?

Chuck: Well, I don’t think it’s unusual because I think when we worship Sid we go into a dimension that is available to each one of us. And what we began to see is that the Lord of Host that He has available to us. And worship is the whole key to that, and it is such a blessing to be talking to you you know and I think one of things that knit us together in Israel at Rosh Hashanah was we were worshiping and this contexts of gathering of the nations. And the Spirit of God just came down and brought us you could just feel the Spirit of God and you could just feel revelation coming down. And when you worship I want to say to you listeners this ministry first of all that Sid has is worth supporting, worth being a part of. And then I want to say this, “When we worship we go to a place our spirit is positioned properly in the heavens and then all the blessings in heavenly places we have access to. Now there’s a verse that always come to mind that when you introduce your show that we’re doing right now. And you’re saying “Welcome family, there’s a trumpet going to sound.” I love the verse in Revelations chapter 4 it says “After these things I looked and behold a door standing open in heaven.” Now this is where the Lord had revealed Himself to John. And you want to find out what does it mean “After these things.” Because God had come down on Patmos Island revealed Himself to John and then He spoke to John about the 7 key churches of that region. And he did 5 things and if you’re listening you can get an understanding of this what God will do while you’re worshiping. We find that the book of Revelation is an entire book of worship and something that we will experience in days ahead but it’s personal as well as futuristic. And so I want to explain this to each one of us personally right now. He came down and He told John He said “Here’s what these churches have been doing well.” And God always if you’ll start worshipping God and some of you might think that you’re separated from God but if you’ll start worshiping Him the Lord will remind you of His plan for you. And He’ll remind you of how you have pursued Him in the past but then what He will begin to…notice what He did with the churches He put His finger on the things they haven’t been doing well. A lot of time God will do that the Second Thing: He’ll say “Now this is what you’ve not done that would bring you into a more full plan that I have for you. The Third Thing: He did was He instructed each one of those churches. Well, He’ll do the same for you when you worship Him. And in the Fourth Thing: That He did was He said “Let me remind you of the promises I have and if you will listen by the Spirit of what I’m saying to the church right now you’ll hear.” God does that with His covenant people, He does it with Israel, His inheritance; He does it with the people who will…He has this special covenant with Israel but then when you come to know Him you’re grafted into that covenant and He’s ready to talk with you, He’s ready to commune with you. And here what I love about this scripture it says “A door was standing open in heaven and the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking to me saying ‘Come up here and I’ll show you things which must take place after this.’ In other words not only will I reveal to you what I’m saying to you today but I’ll show you what’s going to happen in the future.” And that’s why I think this book is so important for us right now because it brings us to a new place of worship where not only we can experience God’s host of heaven in our midst now but He can also open our eyes to where we’re going.

Sid: Listen, with what is going on as far as terrorism worldwide. What we know with all of the warning alerts we have all the time will happen right in this nation. I have friends that live in Israel and they say that before they go out anywhere they pray and if they feel a check in their spirit they don’t even go out. I mean if there’s ever been a generation that has to get in touch with God and has to hear God’s voice it’s us.

Chuck: Listen Sid I believe that if we’re worshipers and I say worship from a true concept. I don’t mean people who just get in that place and just they don’t understand how to walk in the earth. I believe if you learn how to come into the throne room you’ll know how to walk in the earth realm. And so I also know this if you get to know the presence of God you’ll know where His presence is not and your spirit will say. Your spirit filled with the Holy Spirit will say to you “Go a different way.” And so it’s very important right now that we get familiar with the throne room and then how we need to walk in the earth realm.

Sid: Now Chuck you’re a very prophetic type of person how’s worship connected with the prophetic.

Chuck: Well, the prophetic means this it simply means…I got another book called “When God Speaks.” And hopefully Sid we’ll have that available for us sometime. But it’s simply communicating the mind and heart of God. Now it takes both because the letter will kill us by just knowing the truth. But God has an emotion and heart and so I don’t think you can really perceive the emotion of God right without learning to worship Him. Because not only will He illuminate the word to you, not only will He give you revelation and talk to you about your life and your family and your city and your vision that you’re a part of. But what He’ll also do is He will begin to open up your understanding of how to know Him and how to really walk with Him in a very very practical way. And I believe that is the key to the prophetic because word…remember all of you that are listening as the word of God says in Proverbs 28:19 “Without a vision” what happens to the people? Well, that means they perish without a vision. But that means without prophetic revelation they perish. And so what you always want to do is you can always be assured if you’re willing to submit yourself to God He can give you how to resist the devil and you’ll move forward in victory.

Sid: You know I’m looking at my notes in chapter 7 titled “Host of heaven Judah and the Lion.” You talk about how one time you were worshipping God and you became overwhelmed with His presence and you began to thank God for all for all He had done for you. And then you could see the future blessings that God had for you and even for your children, explain that.

Chuck: Well, because see like I just said in Revelation once we allow God to bring a reality in our life by saying “This is what I have plan for you, you’ve done this well, you’ve not done this well, this is what I’m instructing you to do.” And we have a heart that’s willing to obey what He’s instructing us to do not only do we see the promise for our life. But then He opens this window like it says in Revelations 4:1 “He opens a door into the future.” And all of a sudden we know this is what God’s going to do with my children, this is what He has planned for us, here’s our inheritance. Inheritance means “God has a portion for you Gods got a spot for you.” Every one of you listening not only can you know how He wants you to operate in your spot but He can tell you how your promises are connected with the next generation.

Sid: Give me an example of what He told you for yourself.

Chuck: Well, first of all He showed me for me it was an interesting thing He spoke to me. He showed me that I had been called for the healing of the nations. Now I didn’t understand that at all and I was in a field called “Human Resource Systems in Cognitive Systems.” That’s my background (Ha). And which was a good background I could look at it now and I can see that that was a very good background because it looked at a whole person. It was a secular study and it involved education and it involved several facets of disciplines. What He did was He showed me that I was called for the healing of the nations and then once I agreed with that He showed me He began to direct my path where the 80’s I worked into the Soviet bloc countries and then of course I worked with Cindy Jacobs and Dr. Peter Wagner since the ‘90s. And been involved as the leader of the World Wide Prayer Movement, one of the leaders of that movement and now my whole life is for healing of the nations so even in the 70’s…

Sid: So, even when you didn’t understand what that meant.

Chuck: Didn’t understand at all, see you don’t have to understand everything if you’re in God’s presence it communicates into our spirit and then we can walk it out.

Sid: Chuck you talk about well I like to call it “Cementing our brains and that worship brings us out of conformity.” I mean too often we just want to copy everyone else.

Chuck: Listen we’re made to worship Him and worshiping Him and when you understand the Spirit of God and we can talk about this more and you’re spirit that has been made uniquely you’re worship is going to have a unique flavor about it. Now we can worship corporately but still you are…there’s nobody else on the earth realm like you. And nobody in the earth realm like you and God knew you before the foundation of the earth. So when you start responding to Him you will demonstrate an aspect of God by Him flowing through you and you coming into communion and union with Him that no one else in the earth will demonstrate.

Sid: Chuck what kind of feedback are you getting on your book?

Chuck: This book has…it was really quite amazing Sid at the beginning because it was overwhelming the demand for this book. And I think it’s just because it’s the right time we know that we’re living in a war season and we know that the only way that we’re going to win that war is through worship. So you even mentioned that the book should be called “Worship Wars” I really think that is an appropriate title.

SID: I am amazed, Rabbi Jonathan, how big this is. This isn’t some little principle. This affects everything. Explain.

JONATHAN: Yeah. The Shmitah has so many facets. It’s not only, now we just touched on how it’s affected the economy, Wall Street, everything. But it actually affects even physical realities. And the first thing, one of the mysteries, it’s called the Mystery of the Towers. And the Bible word for tower is “migdal”. It comes from the Hebrew word “gadal,” which means greatness. So there’s a link between towers being built and greatness or, you know, a nation’s greatness or it’s pride, it’s glory were great.

SID: You know what that reminds of? The Tower of Babel.

JONATHAN: Exactly.

SID: That’s what they were trying to do. We’re going to make a name of ourselves.

JONATHAN: That’s exactly it.

SID: We’re going to build a tower up to Heaven.

JONATHAN: That’s exactly it. Now could there be, now there’s a mystery here, could it be that the rising of the highest towers in the world actually mark the rising of nations and powers. And we’re going to see, it’s linked to the Shmitah. It’s amazing. For instance, up from the Middle Ages the highest towers were in Europe, the center of power was Europe. But a change took place in about 1870, there’s the greatest tower rises up in a new land. It’s America, 1870. The next year, America becomes the strongest economic power on Earth. The mantel goes from Britain to America. So the rise of the tower actually marks it. From then on, America builds the highest towers on Earth as its power keeps growing and growing, and growing, and growing. But we’re going to see there’s a link with the Shmitah. Because in 1945, at the end of the Second World War, height of American power, there’s a plan to build a new tower that’s going to represent America’s greatness. It’s the World Trade Center. 1945 is the year of the Shmitah. The tower is conceived, the World Trade Center, the year of the Shmitah. It’s begun, they start building it in 1966, year of the Shmitah. It’s built for a seven-year cycle, the exact cycle of the Shmitah, seven years of the Shmitah. Finished in 1973, year of the Shmitah. And then finally, 2001, it’s destroyed in the year of the Shmitah. Now here’s a link. Now what’s the link? The towers. Tower is about rising. The Shmitah is about falling. It actually means “let it fall”. The tower is about the glory of man. The Shmitah is about humbling the pride of man or the pride of a nation. So here we see in the Bible, you know, the Shmitah wipes out accounts, we saw, that are built up. It also wipes out realities that are built up, too. And so here in the year of the Shmitah, actually as the Shmitah gets to its peak, that’s when 9-11 happens. 9-11 happens at the peak of the Shmitah. Last week, when it’s getting ready for the day of nullifying, wiping things out, and actually the collapse of the tower causes the collapse of Wall Street. You have the greatest, the collapse of a tower, I mean, pride of a nation, and you have the collapse of Wall Street the same time on the day of the Shmitah, which means that even the timing of 9-11 was to term, had to be determined exactly by the ancient mystery of the Shmitah. And what, here’s the prophetic thing with this, Sid. This is just one of the things. That if the rise of a tower speaks of the rise of a nation, what does the fall of a tower speak of? It speaks, it’s a warning of the future of America.

SID: So as you point out, the harbinger was 9-11.

JONATHAN: Yeah.

SID: It’s a warning. How many warnings do we get before judgment? What’s the pattern?

JONATHAN: God is merciful. With the harbinger, exactly right. This follows, the harbinger, not only was that a harbinger, but then we are, there’s a tower going up right now at Ground Zero, which, it’s the fourth harbinger. Well that’s linked to the Shmitah as well. There are things happening, since the book “The Harbinger” came out, it’s becoming true and it’s linked to the Shmitah. That there are signs appearing, we can’t get into it, but the signs have to do with that tower about what is rising up at Ground Zero, which is linked to defiance. Because remember, you know, this tower also, the tower that’s rising now, was conceived in the year of the Shmitah at the same time, with that vow about defiance that was made on Capitol Hill. And it’s probably going to be completed most likely in the year of the Shmitah that’s coming. So that’s just a little bit of the Shmitah and the tower. But this also is about the rise and fall of nations. The Shmitah gives the key about when nations rise and fall, has to do with America. Let me give you an example how this mystery is so big it’s affected everything. Shmitah, it actually can be taken, as I said, shaking or falling, or collapsing. 1917, you have the year of the Shmitah. You have a collapse on Wall Street, but you also have a shaking of the nations called the First World War. The Shmitah is about collapsing. In that war, you have the collapse of powers, collapse of four empires. The German empire, the Hungarian, the Russian, the Ottoman all collapse in the year linked to the Shmitah. And you also have, it’s linked to the Shmitah, which is linked to the rise of nations. 1917 is the year that begins America’s rise of world power on the stage. It enters the First World War. Consider that. And so you have the beginning of this rise. But if you take four Shmitahs later, which is 28 years. Interesting, “4” in the Bible is the number of kingdoms. It takes you to 1945, and you have another global cataclysm. You have the shaking of the world, shaking, World War II coming. You have literally, actually, you know, Hitler’s attacks began in 1938. That was the year of the Shmitah. Go seven years to 1945, until it’s over, Shmitah. The Holocaust, Kristallnacht, it’s noted as 1938, as the faithful year, year of the Shmitah, ends 1945, year of the Shmitah. When you reach the peak of the Shmitah, you also get the peak of World War II, summer of 1945. You’re approach the Shmitah’s day of nullifying things, the day of wiping out. Unleashed on the world is the greatest power of wiping out ever, the atomic, nuclear warfare comes on at the end of the war. It’s like this crescendo. The war ends in the last week of the Shmitah, this whole seven-year period. And when, actually in Berlin, the allies have a victory parade. It’s on the day of the end of the Shmitah. And so world history, this launches America as the super power of the world. Even the Cold War, in the year of the Shmitah. Now if you go one more period, you go four Shmitahs later, 28 years, Shmitah can mean also the fall of a nation. It gets you to 1973. Key point. 1973, America decides to legalize the killing of unborn children, same sin, ancient Israel was judged for. And that same year, also is the year America loses its first war. Vietnam collapses on the same day, August 15, that America won the war before in the other Shmitah. And so you have this thing of the fall now. And the same year of that fall, you have the World Trade Center, which marks the same year that America legalized the killing of its children.

SID: Okay. Now with the amazing precision we’ve just seen in the past, what does that tell us about now and the future?

Sid: We want families of born again believers to be role models for the world. We want to provoke Jewish people and all people to jealousy. Our families are not what they’re supposed to be, children even in Christian homes are estranged from their parents. Husband and wives are bickering and fighting and flying in the wrong direction. And I believe that God has put into my hands a course called “What God has Joined Together, God’s Plan for a fulfilled Marriage.” I am raving about this teaching, I believe that if you have a bad marriage, if a husband and wife listen to this course and if it’s so bad that only one spouse will listen I believe that through using God’s word with the revelation knowledge that God gave Gary Whetstone that your marriage is going to turned around. If you know young people getting married or newlyweds, I urge you to get this into their hand. The course “What God has Joined Together” 6 audio cassettes plus a booklet “Life Changing.” I have on the telephone Pastor Gary Whetstone Pastor of Victory Fellowship in New Castle, Delaware. He is also the head of Gary Whetstone Worldwide Ministries and has founded over 207 Bible Schools worldwide. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Gary had a freak accident and went as we say in Hebrew mashuga, crazy, locked up in a mental institution, nothing to be done with him. They wanted to do an electronic lobotomy that would leave him as a vegetable. Two days before he get’s led to the Lord, he urges the head psychiatrist to let him out and not have this lobotomy. They don’t listen to him they thought “Oh, talking about God that proves he’s crazy.” And supernaturally he escapes from the institution, he runs on the highway and he doesn’t even remember this except he met the woman. This woman goes right through him on her car and she’s shocked. She recognizes that he’s a mental patient that has run away because she’s connected with that institution and she’s ready to call the police and a voice said to her Gary.

Gary: “Do not report him that this young man belonged to God and God had a call on my life.” Incredible isn’t it? Just think about that Sid that a person who was ready to take an action God intervened blinded the eyes of all of those guards, spoke to that woman, and now that woman was in our church and she did not even know that I was that young man until she had been in the body to Christ in our church for about 7 years. Incredible of the power of God delivering a person. You know Sid we had stopped with a fact that that car like went through me and then I literally did escape and did go to Florida. And I remember praying a second time in Florida the only time that I had talked to God that I remember and I said “God if You’re really real I want to be able to go back to Delaware and have a clean bill of mental health.” For some unknown reason this incredible peace came over my life which I now know is the peace of God. And I came back to Delaware they put me through months of evaluation again and tests and could find absolutely nothing wrong. Salvation Sid was a complete absolute turn around and transformation of my life. As soon as I got out of the mental hospital which was now in 1972, a young man that we know that anybody who was in a tremendous traumatic state of that nature is looking for security. What I did is I went back to some of my former girlfriends that I had had prior to becoming locked away in the mental hospital.

Sid: Now you really, although you were born again, you really did not know the word of God, you had not been discipled.

Gary: No knowledge whatsoever.

Sid: Okay, go ahead.

Gary: No knowledge, I mean to tell you. Well, actually I went to a church right after getting out of the mental hospital and the pastor invited me to leave. Because he said “We don’t have your kind here.” And it was really turned me off to even want to know God anymore. I started dating again a former girlfriend her name was Faye O’Neal, and she had known me all of my life growing up and knew what had happened to me in the mental hospital and all of the things and drugs and everything. And literally I married her on the 12th of May in 1972. You know sometimes when we understand the situation of a person prior to marriage we can look back and say “Oh yes, if they’d only had fixed that before they got married they would have been able to successfully been married.” Well, that’s what happened with me, I came into the marriage with all of the baggage of having such an incredibly tormented life. Even though I had salvation Sid I did not have knowledge. I didn’t know what the Bible said about marriage, I didn’t know what God wanted to do with marriage. My wife was not born again, we never went to church and after a period of just a few years I mean I went back into college and started growing academically in business and finance and industry that I was in industrial engineering. All of a sudden one day, now this happens to so many people I tried drugs one time just marijuana nothing serious. In 1975 all of a sudden all of this incredible torment came back upon my mind. One open door to the enemy caused a complete mental relapse. Sometimes we have people that are in our church and see that happen with drugs or alcohol and we don’t really give enough credit to the power of that mental torment and abuse. My wife said “Listen if you ever have a situation where you go back again to that mental process I’m out of here.” Well, she was and she sued me for everything and got it all. But what’s interesting is during that time my mother ended up in the latter part of ’75 had given herself to the Lord, had received the power of the Holy Spirit. She said to me “Gary, you know you’ve got a problem here.” Well I said it’s pretty evident got two small children that child support has given you $15 left a week to live on.” She said “No, no, no that’s not the problem; the problem is you’ve got demonic spirits that have really been tormenting your mind and you need to get set free.” I didn’t understand what that meant believe me Sid at all but I did know this it sounds far better than the mental hospital. During that time, and many of those that are listening today you’ve had similar experiences. Tremendous pangs of depression and mental anguish had gripped me to the place where I had attempted suicide in 1975 three times.

Sid: I read about that time you actually drove your car on the railroad tracks, heard the train and you were going to be… I mean that wasn’t Russian roulette that was suicide.

Gary: Absolutely, you know I had no plan of ever living. I had failed in suicide attempts before and I would watch the Amtrak Train coming up the east corridor here in Newark, Delaware which is right outside the church that I pastor in New Castle, Delaware. And I sat on the tracks of that train that sped by at about 80 miles and hours in my little Volkswagen waiting to be killed. That train was on a different track, I mean it’s incredible what God does. It turned out that the train had had some track problems several miles between Baltimore – Delaware and the rerouted the train to another track. It sped by me and missed me. Well, that was it. I ended up being majorly offended by these attempts of suicide, but one thing I did do which really brought a change. I got Spirit-filled in a small home meeting during that time. And a person ministered to me a Pastor in the region here and he got me set free mentally. Sid, that’s when I gave myself to the word of God. And I said “If God can deliver a mental patient like me, if God can take the pain of attempted suicide and the horrific areas of depression and mental torment that was in my life and break it, God could restore a marriage.” As I shared yesterday, I spent 7 years studying the word of God because of the failure that I was as a man, as a father, as a husband. And I realized that the word of God was only truth that had power to bring change and as well with the Holy Spirit. After I gave myself to that intense time of study and prayer for my wife Faye it was very incredible. As we were going through out divorce proceedings I would pray for her. And then I want you to listen to this if you’re listening because God gives you the same ability. I could see in the Spirit what was happening with my wife, I mean at first she took off with one of my best friends the very day that we separated. You think that anybody with this type of experience with marriage would become very embittered and have a lot of hatred and judgment. But you know God taught me something and that was that love literally has no account of sin or hurt. That love covers a multitude of sin. And I can tell you I remember when we published that article in Charisma Magazine which you’re referring to many times. I had pastors call me right after that and they say “Gary you should never own up to anything that is so controversial in your past.” And you know I said to pastors I said “Look what are we hypocrites to think that pastors don’t have challenges.” Any of you that are listening you know pastors that have fallen to immorality, areas of compromise and sometimes even ministers have the worst marriages in the church. And you know I settled in my heart that year that God was going to restore our home. I not only had conviction, but I gave myself 100% to the understanding of the word of God because the word of God is like it says “That which God has joined together let not man put asunder.”

Sid: But very briefly, at your divorce did… you did get divorced.

Gary: Oh yeah.

Sid: What did you tell the judge and put in demand to be put in the record?

Gary: You know this is kind of interesting my wife is you know standing there and I’m standing there and he asked me, “Do you have anything to say Mr. Whetstone before this divorce decree is final?” And I said “Yes.” The Stenographer is there typing all of the words being said. And I took the Bible off of the area that the judge kind of has you raise your hand to or whatever. He said “What are you going to do with that?” I said “I’m going to read a sentence. He said “We only use that as a point of reference for you to speak truth.” I said “Well, it’s to me more than a point of reference, this is truth.” And I open up the Bible to 1st Corinthians chapter 7 verse 11. And I said “And I want it to be on the record that this statement governs greater authority than the courts of Delaware, greater than my wife’s desire to be divorced, it says ‘But if she departs let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband.’” And I said “I want it to be on the court record that I’m only going to permit Faye Whetstone to remarry me.” That judge looked at me like I came from Mars and he said “What you’re going through a divorce today.” I said “I realize that and I know that the law is bringing a closure to this area of marriage but I want you do know I will remarry this woman and I will not permit her to stay unmarried, she will remarry me.”

SID: You think Hank Kunneman had problems. He had an adoptive father. He was a disciplinarian. Never said I love you, never affirmed him. His teachers said, you should never publically speak, you should never write. I mean, he would go into his bedroom and weep. But at 18, he became a believer in the Messiah, and in his bedroom, he was filled with the Spirit of God and began to speak in supernatural languages. What happened?

HANK: I had a vision of Heaven that night that I was filled with the Spirit of God. My mom, in fact, was yelling at the top of the steps trying to get my attention. Had no idea what was going on. And as I was praying in tongues, all of a sudden, I saw myself in a place where there was like a golden river and I could see a light all around me. It was so bright. And I could see a figure on a throne. I fell immediately down. I couldn’t stop weeping in the presence of what I believe now is I was getting a glimpse of Abba, Abba Father sitting on His throne. But the Glory was so great I couldn’t see beyond it. And that was a very, very dramatic experience for me.

SID: Now how did your parents take to the fact that you are now a believer in Jesus?

HANK: Well my dad and I had a working relationship. I worked for him and that was basically how I would sense any kind of love from my dad. We had a great working relationship. But he didn’t like the fact that I had just gotten saved because I didn’t use a lot of wisdom. Sometimes you know, when you’re first saved the tendency is you want to get everybody saved. You don’t use a lot of wisdom in the sense that you beat them over the head. I was pretty aggressive, over-zealous.

SID: Okay. They’re not happy with that. I get it. You had severe acne.

HANK: Yes.

SID: How bad was it?

HANK: Well that’s the part that made my dad even more angry. I had severe acne. Obviously, I worked at a service station, gas station, oil. And the Lord healed me at a service that I was attending. The pastor starts speaking a supernatural word of knowledge, calls out that somebody is being healed with severe acne. And I’m thinking, I didn’t what miracles were about. I had just gotten saved. But somebody next to me, an older woman who became a spiritual mother to me, said, “God’s healing you of acne.” All of a sudden, within a matter of days, it looked somebody took their handprints and went to my cheeks and left their fingerprint imprints, and little circles were appearing, different sizes on my face. My dad could not deny it. I began to tell him that I not only got saved, but I was being healed.

SID: But wait a second now. He saw severe acne. He saw it all gone.

HANK: Yeah.

SID: Did you see those fingerprints?

HANK: Yes. But he said this: “It would be a cold day in hell before I believe in miracles.”

SID: But he just saw one. So how could he say that?

HANK: Well I think part of it was, was my over-zealousness and my desire for him to get saved. Something happened. My dad was so angry with me declaring that I was being healed, even though he did see my face was clearing up, he said something to me. We got in a heated exchange. He said, “Hank, deny this Jesus or get out.” We were face to face. He was that close to me. I couldn’t believe it. Why am I in this confrontation with my dad? I don’t want this to be happening, but it was happening. And I said, “I won’t deny Jesus.” Now what he was saying is he thought I was an occult because he hadn’t heard of Divine healing like this. So he said, “Deny this Jesus.” Really, deny this cult in his mind or get out. And I said, “I will not deny this Jesus.” And the next thing I know, Sid, I’m tumbling down the stairs.

SID: He pushed down the stairs?

HANK: I don’t know exactly. I’m not going to say that my dad did that. But all I know is however it happened, we had a physical confrontation and I landed on the bottom of the stairs. I looked up and my dad was raging with anger. He said, “Get out!” I had just graduated out of high school. I had just accepted Jesus, been filled with the Spirit of God. I had nowhere to go. I didn’t know what to do. And so I began to pack my clothes and I remember the surreal feeling of backing out of that driveway that day not knowing where to go, questioning in my mind, is this Christianity really worth it? It just cost me my home. It cost me my dad. And I thought, well maybe I could just go back and patch this up. But I knew if I went back, I’d have to deny the expressive radical Christianity that I was living.

SID: And then his father develops terminal cancer. What happened?

HANK: So fast-forwarding into the future some 20 years later, my dad develops stage 4 cancer. I begin to talk to him about the Lord and about healing. I asked him, I said, “I know somebody who has a healing ministry, Dad. Have you ever heard of Oral Roberts?” He said, “Yeah.” But again, his thing was, he would say it often in life, it would be a cold day in hell before I believe in miracles. So he didn’t believe in it. But he said, “You know what? I know who Oral Roberts is.” I said, “Well I know his son, Richard Roberts who has a healing ministry. He’s having tremendous success praying for people with cancer. Can I have him call you?” I was surprised. He agreed. Richard prays for him. The doctors are amazed because the spots on my dad’s lungs are disappearing and they don’t have an explanation for it. My dad is seeing healing—

SID: Now did your father believe that was a miracle?

HANK: He said, yes. He told me, “Hank, I cannot deny.” In fact he said, because his words were, it would be a cold day in hell. He said, “Hell has a little bit more ice on it than it used to.”

SID: Hold that thought. We’re going to be right back because you are going to capture a revelation of how much God accepts you, loves you and is for you. Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest Hank Kunneman is so red hot for the Messiah. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that he came from a generation an adopted father that never affirmed him, never said “I love you.” In fact Hank you worked for your dad and you worked hard! What was that like?

Hank: Well when my dad retired out of the service out of the Air Force he opened up his own service station business and I was just a young boy preteen. My dad the way that he would express love again was no news or no affirmation was affirmation. His way of teaching was very much of a command or a demand. He taught you once, you’re supposed to get it right once. Now being in the service station business my fine motor skills, now that’s not a pun but my motor skills were not very good with my hands, I was not very good at things. It took me awhile to understand instruction so that’s not good for somebody who maybe didn’t have a kind of patience to handle. But the thing is I would say things like “I love you dad.” And he would say things like “Same here.” And that was his way of saying “I love you.” And so my relationship with my dad growing up mostly was built around a working relationship. When I went out to play football and baseball he was very busy working he had to supply for 7 kids and so he never attend any of my games and I certainly never held that against him. Boy when I’m watching other people having their father in the stands or their mother in the stands my parents were busy with work.

Sid: Okay, let me jump you up to age 18 you’re in your basement you get saved, tell me about when you were baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Hank: Yeah, something happened to me when I was 18 years of age I got saved, I got Spirit filled shortly 2 months after that. And I was praying in tongues the whole night after I got filled with the Spirit of God I couldn’t stop it was like somebody turned on this force of power and I couldn’t stop praying in tongues. I got caught up and a vision of heaven and I saw a throne room of people singing and worshiping and a huge bright light coming from this figure that was seated upon a throne. And I immediately began to fall down on my face in my bedroom, my mom was at the top of the stairs and was calling my name and did not know that I had a visitation happening from the Lord. And so that was the beginning of my journey where things began to get very heated.

Sid: But I mean you have the most amazing testimony, after you get saved, after you get radically, I mean radically filled with the Holy Spirit you must have been… I know how it was with me I couldn’t keep quiet about Jesus. Now you have a family that’s not a church family, not raised to believe in Jesus and you have a very severe case of acne. How bad was it?

Hank: Yeah, now needing your affirmation from your father, having your grandparents trying to divide the family and having severe acne on your face you want to have any low self-esteem, lack of confidence have severe acne on your face on top of it. But something happened, I was in the middle of a service and the Pastor of that church started having a word of knowledge he said “Somebody is being healed of acne, somebody is being healed of blackheads and he started naming all of these different words for acne. I was sitting in the second row and I didn’t know understand a word of knowledge, I didn’t understand healing I had just gotten saved. I’m thinking “Look you can’t see that I’m in the second row like this is really God.” Well then a woman next to me a senior an elderly woman tapped me on the shoulder and said “That man he’s speaking by God for you God is healing your face.” Something began to happen to my face that I went home I was so excited I told my dad without any manifestations on my face of any proof of healing I said “Dad I’m going healed of my acne.” He said these words “It’ll be a cold day in hell if I’ll believe any of that stuff,” and it just made matters worse and it just began to make him think more and more that I was in a cult. But something very significant took place in a very short time and I mean within days. It’s looked like somebody had taken their fingerprints and took both sides of my cheek and where the acne was on my face and touched both sides and I began to see different circles appearing on my face like someone’s fingerprints and they were different sizes. You know your thumb is a lot bigger you know than your pinky it looked like fingerprints. The Lord was touching and kissing my face, within a short period of time my acne began to disappear, nothing I tried worked before.

Sid: I mean from what you’re telling me this was not a few pimples this was severe acne.

Hank: Yeah, it was. It was very bad acne, yeah.

Sid: What did your dad and mom think of that?

Hank: Well this furthered in their mind that I was in a cult even though they were seeing the manifestation of this healing taking place on my face my dad he just could not come to terms that these kinds of miracles could happen today. So I began to explain to him about the miracle power of God, explain to him about salvation. And we got into a very very heated argument to the point where we were face to face. The next thing were in a physical confrontation and it didn’t end well. I remember picking myself up from the bottom of the stairs.

Sid: He threw you down the stairs?

Hank: Well that’s what exactly what happened this physical confrontation caused me. Yeah, we got into it pretty heavy to where I began to tumble down the stairs. But before that happened he gave me this choice and this is what I want people to understand. He said “I want you to deny this Jesus or get the hell out.” Now those were words that today as I share it I can still feel the pain and the shock of you need to deny Jesus. Now my dad he knew about Jesus in his own way. He wasn’t really asking me to quote deny Jesus but in his mind he was saying “Deny this cult you’re in.” And he said “Deny Jesus.” And I knew that I couldn’t deny Jesus or he said “Get out, get the hell out.” And before I knew it Sid I’ll have tears streaming down my face, just graduated out of high school. Wanted my parents to understand the Christianity that I experienced, I immediately started packing my clothes and you know grabbing whatever I could and I left that night and I drove…

Sid: But where would you go, did you have money?

Hank: I didn’t have anywhere to go.

Sid: Did you have money?

Hank: No, I didn’t have any money so I….

Sid: How does an 18 year old raised in a non-Christian home make such a bold stand for Jesus, how did you do it Hank?

Hank: You know when I gave my heart to the Lord it meant everything to me and Jesus I found out later that “Blessed are those that leave houses and fathers and mothers for My name sake.” And so I knew I couldn’t deny the Lord and so I got in my car and I just began to drive and I remembered that I had gone and visited a youth group 2 weeks prior a different youth program and somebody had given their number and said “If you ever need anything just you know give me a call.” That’s the only number to someone in my new found faith, I didn’t have any other contacts. So I called that number and they just so happened to have somebody move out of their apartment and it was in a very very bad part of the city to where gun shots would go off at night and all kinds of crime, and so it wasn’t the most ideal.

Sid: But at least… I mean you had no money, you knew no one so at least you had a place to stay. But what were family times say Christmas like for you when you had left your mother and father.

Hank: What was Christmas like? It was like this I spent it by myself I spent Christmas and Thanksgiving and the holidays for several years by myself because my dad was very upset, the relationship with my parents was strained.

Sid: Now your dad was a smoker and he get stage 4 cancer.

Hank: Yeah.

Sid: What happened?

Hank: This would have been obviously 20, 30 something years later he began to reach out. And again his philosophy was “It’ll be a cold day in hell before he’d believe in miracles and he gets healed.” The doctors cannot believe that the cancer is disappearing from his body they can’t find the spots in his lungs. Here’s how it happened…

Sid: I’m sorry Hank we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast… finally just before the world is going to have a revelation of our awesome heavenly Father but the flip side that’s just as important is His name if Abba. Which means “Daddy.” I mean most Jews, most Catholics, many Christians they know about God being awesome and God but they don’t know about His tenderness and Hank Kunneman has been chosen by God to prophetically present the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation on the Father heart of God. And there’s a generation for many generations that have never experienced the love of God being poured into them, never experienced crawling into Abba’s lap.