So I started a thread about kelltech SU 16 an got BASHED by the almighty calguns crew...saying stuff like "YEAH GUNS BLOW UP" and others saying "AR 15's blow up" well were not looking for guns that shot squib rds were looking for guns that FLAT OUT DON'T WORK after firing normal pressure ammo.

SO COME ON GUYS POST YER PICS OF ALL GUNS THAT SELF DESTRUCT like the old MISSION IMPOSSIBLE messages!!

So I started a thread about kelltech SU 16 an got BASHED by the almighty calguns crew...saying stuff like "YEAH GUNS BLOW UP" and others saying "AR 15's blow up" well were not looking for guns that shot squib rds were looking for guns that FLAT OUT DON'T WORK after firing normal pressure ammo.

SO COME ON GUYS POST YER PICS OF ALL GUNS THAT SELF DESTRUCT like the old MISSION IMPOSSIBLE messages!!

Well, thank you all for ruining my love of cheap reloads!! Never again.

2nd Shot

04-09-2012, 8:29 PM

I think this thread goes to show that any gun or any make, no matter how cheap or expensive, wood, polymer, steel, or aluminum, in any caliber, will blow the F up in the wrong circumstances, without exception. Good reminder to be observant of everything going on...

So I started a thread about kelltech SU 16 an got BASHED by the almighty calguns crew...saying stuff like "YEAH GUNS BLOW UP" and others saying "AR 15's blow up" well were not looking for guns that shot squib rds were looking for guns that FLAT OUT DON'T WORK after firing normal pressure ammo.

SO COME ON GUYS POST YER PICS OF ALL GUNS THAT SELF DESTRUCT like the old MISSION IMPOSSIBLE messages!!

Again, when I was talking about a few ARs blowing up, I was refering to guns without squibs firing FACTORY Remington .223 that was produced without flash holes. Did you properly inspect the ammo that blew your Keltec up? Guess what, Keltecs, like every other halfway decent firearm, don't blow up with "normal pressure" ammo. I'm not a huge Keltec fan but, I think you really need to look at all the different types of guns in this thread and realize that none of these blew up due to their inferior quality. In each case, there was something else wrong.

tujungatoes

04-09-2012, 9:09 PM

A lot of the rifles in here look like victims of barrel obstructions. Check for squibs!

mod1217

04-09-2012, 9:09 PM

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0049.jpg
Wow, it looks like this one seriously injured the shooter: "suffering deep lacerations in both hands and 4 broken bones in one. "

Somewhat graphic picture warning!! This was the after math left by the rifle in the last picture

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/wildcardjc/IMG_0042.jpg

Just Imagine if this rifle happens to be a BullPup :eek:

TNP'R

04-09-2012, 9:15 PM

I guess i'll take my bore light with me next time I go just to make sure.

A .50bmg bullpup?(that's what that rifle was, a BOHICA) Even without it blowing up I wouldn't want to fire such a configuration.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=258040

CSACANNONEER

04-09-2012, 9:46 PM

A .50bmg bullpup?(that's what that rifle was, a BOHICA) Even without it blowing up I wouldn't want to fire such a configuration.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=258040

??? Bohicas are not bullpups. LAR Grizzly are 50BMG bullpups.

Even with my years of not speaking highly of Bohicas and the Angeles KB, I have no problem shooting one. I really think the Angeles KB was due to a poorly maintained lower and possibly operator error. The action proved itself in that KB. The injuries occured due to the shoter putting his hands over hole that ended up venting the gasses off.

Exactly what configuration are you talking about?

Merc1138

04-09-2012, 9:51 PM

??? Bohicas are not bullpups. LAR Grizzly are 50BMG bullpups.

Even with my years of not speaking highly of Bohicas and the Angeles KB, I have no problem shooting one. I really think the Angeles KB was due to a poorly maintained lower and possibly operator error. The action proved itself in that KB. The injuries occured due to the shoter putting his hands over hole that ended up venting the gasses off.

Exactly what configuration are you talking about?

I guess I should clarify. I didn't mean to imply that bohica rifle was a bullpup, rather that the rifle was a .50bmg bohica and that I personally would not shoot a .50bmg bullpup rifle like the previous poster that I quoted mentioned.

Come on now, you think I'd mistake a bullpup for what is clearly not a bullpup when I even linked to the thread with more pics of the rifle?

(me fail english? thats unpossible!)

CSACANNONEER

04-09-2012, 9:54 PM

I guess I should clarify. I didn't mean to imply that bohica rifle was a bullpup, rather that the rifle was a .50bmg bohica and that I personally would not shoot a .50bmg bullpup rifle like the previous poster that I quoted mentioned.

Come on now, you think I'd mistake a bullpup for what is clearly not a bullpup when I even linked to the thread with more pics of the rifle?

(me fail english? thats unpossible!)

That's why I was so confused.

Merc1138

04-09-2012, 9:57 PM

That's why I was so confused.

I was probably more confused after I read your statement and thought "wtf, does he think I'm an idiot? Wait... I actually typed that..."

mod1217

04-09-2012, 9:58 PM

A .50bmg bullpup?(that's what that rifle was, a BOHICA) Even without it blowing up I wouldn't want to fire such a configuration.

I was refering to the damage to the rifle and the injuries it did to the shooter not the rifle itself.

I was merely saying that if the damage to the rifle is that severe and the rifle happens to be a bullpup just imagine what would happen to the face of the shooter

Merc1138

04-09-2012, 10:01 PM

I was refering to the damage to the rifle and the injuries it did to the shooter not the rifle itself.

I was merely saying that if the damage to the rifle is that severe and the rifle happens to be a bullpup just imagine what would happen to the face of the shooter

Yeah... that's why I wouldn't want a round that big going off right next to my face and underneath my glasses. Not that I'm specifically afraid of .50bmg, or a bullpup, I just don't like the combination.

Yeah... that's why I wouldn't want a round that big going off right next to my face and underneath my glasses. Not that I'm specifically afraid of .50bmg, or a bullpup, I just don't like the combination.

Now you got worried about my DTA SRS in .338 LM!!!!!!

Freagan

04-09-2012, 10:37 PM

Actually the really graphic stuff I have seen while searching for all these pictures, are mangled hands that are so far destroyed there is literally no possibility for repair. It really makes me want to find some hardcore durable gloves to wear while shooting, But in all honesty, some of damage I have seen from the larger calibers it wouldn't matter if you had gloves on or not, a lot were shredded to pieces!

Another note, after reading some of the stories and examining the evidence they presented, not all of these "kabooms" were from reloads. Sometimes accidents just happen, and even the best manufacturers of ammunition are not immune to simple mistakes that can have large consequences. But obviously most of these are from personal reloads, and the mistakes from a tiny lapse in attention had life changing effects.

So stay careful out there, and can anyone recommend me some VERY durable gloves for shooting?

blap59

04-09-2012, 11:11 PM

This is why as a left handed shooter, all of my semi-automatics are left handed. I don't want an open port a few inches from my face. Even though chunks from the solid side can still break and fly into my face, I don't feel it would be as bad as the ejection port side.

send it_hit

04-10-2012, 1:11 AM

this whole thread makes my hair stand on end...

i've said it several times, but i'll say it again.

this hobby we share becomes exponentially more dangerous, when we forget it involved danger to begin with.

stay safe friends!

PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE

04-10-2012, 2:15 AM

This thread really wakes you up and realize stuff happens (if you know what I mean), a little paranoia has kicked in but its of the welcoming type.

zfields

04-10-2012, 2:22 AM

Actually the really graphic stuff I have seen while searching for all these pictures, are mangled hands that are so far destroyed there is literally no possibility for repair. It really makes me want to find some hardcore durable gloves to wear while shooting, But in all honesty, some of damage I have seen from the larger calibers it wouldn't matter if you had gloves on or not, a lot were shredded to pieces!

Another note, after reading some of the stories and examining the evidence they presented, not all of these "kabooms" were from reloads. Sometimes accidents just happen, and even the best manufacturers of ammunition are not immune to simple mistakes that can have large consequences. But obviously most of these are from personal reloads, and the mistakes from a tiny lapse in attention had life changing effects.

So stay careful out there, and can anyone recommend me some VERY durable gloves for shooting?

I would trust my own handloads before a factory load. I know exactly how much powder ( and that there actually IS powder ) in each round I make, along with verifying the seating depth, and case length.

mif_slim

04-10-2012, 7:01 AM

I think the OP originally started the thread to bash on SU that they explode, apparently, lots of other firearms explode too...

Long Rifle

04-10-2012, 7:06 AM

So stay careful out there, and can anyone recommend me some VERY durable gloves for shooting?

A lot of motorcycle riding gloves are very beefy, but still offer good dexterity. In fact, I'm thinking about using my old riding gloves when shooting even though it's been 12 years since I sold my CBR.

Manolito

04-10-2012, 7:14 AM

The obstructed barrels are pretty easy to pick out. The excessive pressures are pretty apparent. The firing out of battery and the other accidents don't appear to be preventable.

I have only seen one failure and it was hand loads and one round didn't clear the barrel and the scond round was fired. dramatic but no injuries.

We are dealing with contained explosions pretty easy to see the potential for failure. Some of those over pressure shots were amazing keep safe and enjoy the sport.
Bill

Sicarius

04-10-2012, 8:43 AM

Screw it, I am picking up knitting... hehe.
Kevin

joefreas

04-10-2012, 8:59 AM

http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb/762d15.jpg

It looks like this round was loaded with C-4.

TNP'R

04-10-2012, 11:25 AM

I think the OP originally started the thread to bash on SU that they explode, apparently, lots of other firearms explode too...

Apparently he knows of some guns that explode "mission impossible" style. If a gun just self destructs for no reason i'd like to see it.

SURVIVOR619

04-10-2012, 11:46 AM

For those who gave some suggestions on how to minimize the potential for this occurring, I thank you. Jeez those photos are nerve wracking!

ThemBastards

04-10-2012, 11:58 AM

For those who gave some suggestions on how to minimize the potential for this occurring, I thank you. Jeez those photos are nerve wracking!

Damnit... I just skimmed for the photos

:hide:

osis32

04-10-2012, 12:30 PM

I'm gonna show this to everyone I go shooting with so they know not to te use rounds and to clear and function check after something doesn't fire properly.

I had a Glock, it was perfect and fine. After I shot it, I took it home, cleaned it and oiled it up really nice. I put it into my safe. The next day I was prepping to go out to the range again and when I open my safe, this is what happen to my gun...I dont know how!??! I mean it was fine the day before and for sure no one shot be after I cleaned it!
:p