... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

Hey look! I can make an argument for Physicalism using Idealist and dualist premises!

P1) The mental and physical are of the same substance (monism)P2) A physical world existsC) Mind is physical

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

Hey look! I can make an argument for Physicalism using Idealist and dualist premises!

P1) The mental and physical are of the same substance (monism)P2) A physical world existsC) Mind is physical

Idealists would agree with P1, and Dualists would agree with P2.

*shots fired*

Except, Idealists would not agree with P1, as P1 assumes a physical reality. Idealists argue that only the mental exists, so when you say "the mental and the physical" then that automatically rules Idealism out.

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

I understand. That's what I figured dualism was, but I didn't know for sure.

Yeah, and then materialism/idealism and neutral monism are all different. Materialism says its only matter, idealism says its only mind, and neutral monism says its neither mind nor matter, but every thing is something neutral or "in between".

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"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

I understand. That's what I figured dualism was, but I didn't know for sure.

Yeah, and then materialism/idealism and neutral monism are all different. Materialism says its only matter, idealism says its only mind, and neutral monism says its neither mind nor matter, but every thing is something neutral or "in between".

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

I understand. That's what I figured dualism was, but I didn't know for sure.

Yeah, and then materialism/idealism and neutral monism are all different. Materialism says its only matter, idealism says its only mind, and neutral monism says its neither mind nor matter, but every thing is something neutral or "in between".

Interesting. Does Dualism tend to be connected with religious belief?

Not necessarily. There's dualistic theists and atheists. I guess it seems to be the most straightforward view.

Also, what is Pluralism?

I think that's a view about all religions being equally made by God. I dunno if its a philosophy of mind view... if it is I haven theard about it.

"Delete your fvcking sig" -1hard

"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."

Pretty much. Dualism states that there's two types of things. There's minds, and there's matter. They're completely different types of things, yet there is somehow a relationship between the two, and they can causally interact between each other.

I understand. That's what I figured dualism was, but I didn't know for sure.

Yeah, and then materialism/idealism and neutral monism are all different. Materialism says its only matter, idealism says its only mind, and neutral monism says its neither mind nor matter, but every thing is something neutral or "in between".

Interesting. Does Dualism tend to be connected with religious belief?

Not necessarily. There's dualistic theists and atheists. I guess it seems to be the most straightforward view.

Also, what is Pluralism?

I think that's a view about all religions being equally made by God. I dunno if its a philosophy of mind view... if it is I haven theard about it.

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...

At 7/17/2014 9:42:16 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:... premises that both the physicalist and dualist would agree with (and disagree with).

P1: If there exists a physical world, then the mind is physicalP2: The mind is not physicalC: Therefore, there does not exist a physical world

I just thought it was funny that the Physicalist would totally agree with 1, while the Dualist would detest it. While the Dualist would totally agree with P2, while the Physicalist would detest it. Basically, I could site Physicalist arguments and Dualistic arguments to try and arrive at Idealism. Pretty cool...