with no experience at shooting even ANIMALS with a given load "like it" does NOT make it worth a hoot as a manstopper. Look how many (who OUGHT to know better) "think" that a .32, 380, Mak, or 38snub amount to a damn. Both Bill Jordan and Jim Cirillo said that .45 ball ammo isn't worth a curse as a manstopper. Doubtless those two knew a LOT more about the subject than any who come here to read or post.

Originally Posted By jett3: Both Bill Jordan and Jim Cirillo said that .45 ball ammo isn't worth a curse as a manstopper. Doubtless those two knew a LOT more about the subject than any who come here to read or post.

Doubtless there's a lot of dead Japanese & Viet Cong who'd testify differently if they were able.

Originally Posted By jett3:.45 ball ammo isn't worth a curse as a manstopper.

Fine then you and your bad a** black belt self can come by with your assault wheel barrow and lets see if you are still functioning after taking 7rds of 230 grain ball center of mass from my short barreled 45.

Originally Posted By jett3:That the best that you can DO? YOU arent willing to let me shoot you with a pellet rifle. Does THAT make the .177 pellet a manstopper? You people are too simplistic for words to describe you.

Sure you can shoot me with one. And then I will use my Sig P220 with 230 gr (insert brand here) rounds.

You are Gunkid(jd) and you are an idiot. You have been a plague on the following boards:Battlerifles.com,Hardcoretalk.com,Assaultweb.net,Frugals,GlockTalk,AR15.com and who knows where else. Why don't you go to bed troll.