Cause and Effect (Warriors 85, Hawks 82)

The Warriors bounced back from Tuesday’s embarrassing performance in the best possible way — with gritty, hard-nosed, aggressive defense. For once, it was the Warriors’ tandem of Udoh and McGuire denying easy inside looks to their opponent, forcing the Hawks to settle for bunches of long-range jumpers. And while the Warriors looked content for much of the game to settle themselves on their way to another poor shooting performance, they seized momentum down the stretch with high-percentage looks from David Lee. This would have been an encouraging performance from the team even if they had lost, but holding onto their thin lead down the stretch made it even sweeter.

Mark Jackson tried something different Wednesday night, and thankfully he got a different result from it. Dominic McGuire started at shooting guard, but don’t get hung up on the position. He was inserted in the starting line-up to give the Warriors an extra dose of focus and energy, along with his usual rebounding and defense. After a rocky first few minutes, the move started paying major dividends. The Warriors got off to a slow start — as they have in many recent games — when some decent looks didn’t fall. But rather than enter into a tailspin and quickly lose contact, the Warriors continued to defend with intensity and clear the boards. McGuire’s presence in the first quarter was a crucial stabilizing force, allowing the team to stick around long enough to climb back into the game, build a lead by the early second quarter, and then hold it for the remainder of the game. It’s rare to see this team maintain a lead for 36 straight minutes on the road, particularly when they’re shooting poorly. The 41% shooting is a badge of honor for this win; it shows just how hard they worked in the other areas besides offense. Give Jackson credit for making a defense/hustle insertion into the starting line-up (McGuire) — and then repeatedly going back to his defensive guys (Udoh, Rush, McGuire) to hold onto the lead down the stretch.

Offensively, this game was a tale of two strategies. The first strategy — which allowed the Warriors to climb back into the game — featured Ellis attacking the basket, his teammates moving without the ball, and a general level of motion on the court resulting in some decent looks. Even when the team missed those looks off penetration or sets, the activity seemed to engage the entire group. The second strategy — which is not so much a strategy as the absence of one — was the Warriors struggling to get into their offense and often throwing up desperation shots under heavy coverage as the shot clock ran out. As the inverse of the more team-oriented look, the more people pounded the ball, the less energized the team seemed. With Curry still sidelined, some of that stagnation is inevitable. But what I found so encouraging in the final minutes was the team’s decisive move not to play that type of basketball. They ran plays, they made quick decisions and they executed smoothly. They almost looked comfortable out there in a crunch-time setting.

Nice performances up and down the roster, but these three were the difference makers:

Dominic McGuire — His line sits next to Andris Biedrins’ in the box score, and they start with the same 0-1 from the field and end with the same 0 points. But it’s the difference in the middle that matters. McGuire’s 15 rebounds in 36 minutes is approaching the super-elite 1 rebound every 2 minute threshold. You don’t need to score to make a difference, and McGuire’s defense and rebounding more than compensated for anything the team lost from his limited offensive game. He didn’t force things — despite some clunky moments early when they tried to run the offense through him — and he repeatedly outworked the entire Hawks roster to own the glass. If McGuire plays 4 or 5 minutes less in this game, the Hawks probably get 2 or 3 more easy looks at the basket — enough to flip the eventual result. The Warriors’ needed a seize-the-moment performance from someone to snap them out of their listlessness. McGuire delivered.

Ekpe Udoh — bad shooting nights are rarely just about luck. Good teams impose their will on opponents. They set the terms of what looks opponents can and cannot have. The Warriors did exactly that Wednesday, allowing the Hawks to jump shoot from nearly anywhere but making sure there were no easy baskets in the paint. It all started with Udoh, making a series of blocks and near-blocks that dramatically increased the level of difficulty for the Hawks inside. Late in the game, the Hawks just stopped trying to make things happen in the paint. Josh Smith was the worst offender, but it wasn’t just him. They shot a brutal 28% in the fourth quarter, thanks to the team defensive effort by Udoh, Rush, McGuire and others. Udoh was everywhere during the key stretch — stealing the ball from Joe Johnson on the perimeter, swooping in from the weak side to block multiple Hawk shots, and rotating smoothly and smartly to seal off other’s mistakes. On offense, the efficiency of his first half looks disappeared when he started forcing things in the second, but any scoring they can get from him is an unexpected advantage. He needs to string a few complete games like this together to demonstrate he can be a consistent contributor. But as a single performance, it was impressive.

David Lee — With the game on the line, David Lee stepped up and scored three must-make baskets. He scored them from positions of strength — making quick moves in the post or facing up and attacking the basket. His ability to convert late-game looks that he missed earlier this season was another one of the marginal improvements that allowed the Warriors to come away from this game with a win rather than another very familiar loss. Giving Lee extended minutes alongside Udoh and McGuire goes a long way toward covering some of his defensive liabilities. There were several times when Smith tried to back Lee down and got around him, only to run into Udoh or McGuire providing help. A very nice all-around game from Lee at a time when the Warriors needed him to have one.

Although Monta Ellis doesn’t belong on the above list given his ugly 10-27 shooting night — largely a product of the Hawks consistently shading him on his right side and forcing him into jumpers out of his normal rhythm — he did do one thing that was crucial late in the game: he played within the team plan. The Warriors didn’t freeze up and resort to having Ellis stand in the corner pounding the basketball. They kept attempting to execute their normal offense to get decent shots. And Ellis was a driving force in that execution. He’s still not a long-term (or short-term, for that matter) answer at point guard, but his late-game play against the Hawks was solid.

To become a better defensive team, give more minutes to better defenders. What a beautifully simple — but up to this point elusive — revelation. This was the first game of the year where the Warriors two best defenders — McGuire and Udoh — both broke 30 minutes of playing time (Rush also played 29). There’s nothing to stop the Warriors from giving those guys similar minutes every night. With Wright and Biedrins still struggling to make any sort of contribution, it’s time for Jackson to clear out the under performers and reward the hard-nosed hustle of his defenders. There will be stretches with them when the team will struggle to score — but it’s not as if Wright and Biedrins are driving forces right now in the Warriors’ offense. This team has a lot of toughness, energy and balance to gain by giving McGuire and Udoh more minutes, and not much to lose besides softness.

Adam Lauridsen

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They do- they have his Bird rights…allows for a sixth year and a total of an extra 30 million.

I agree with most of the posters on here…

More min for McGuire
More min for Udoh
More Min for Rush – Thompson

trade Ellis for almost anything
Trade Curry for something Very Good if Possible
get picks if possible

ANd that none of these things is romotely likely to happen

That Lacob is delusional in his pursuit of Howard- and that the Warriors will continue to over value their assets- is the most likely outcome- and that means basically the same roster next season with the addition of one or 2 low level FA’s and that the Warriors will win 22-32 games this year and the next two seasons…

HOW DEPRESSING….

And that

montasbiggestfan

HDD-

Outside of Howard; I don’t see that Orlando really has any pieces that anyone would want!

Dr_john-

So Orlando can still offer substantially more than any other team though, right?

deano

BW: I like your point about McGuire’s defensive versatility. He can shut down either a SF or SG. He is The Cooler. This makes McGuire a keeper, because most teams’ best scorer is either a SF or a SG.

SJ Jim

The best way to get Howard is to trick Orlando, based on the potential confusion between “Dwight” and “Dwright”. They end up with Dorell, we end up with Howard. Not sure how to pull it off… this is just the rough draft for my plan.

believewhat

bull,

“They do- they have his Bird rights…allows for a sixth year and a total of an extra 30 million. ”

Is this still true if and when he becomes unrestricted over summer instead of signing before Mar’15 ? If so, even getting unguaranteed Howard is a franchise changer for Warriors since they can get lot of talent and prospects back in sign and trade for Howard something like Minny did when they traded Garnett.

bryhsiao

Dr_john and Believewhat

The reason why many reports stated Howard is going to lose 30M if he waited until the summer was just because S&T had been changed.

Howard would lose 30M if he refused to sign an extension before he becomes a FA. Therefore, he could sign that extension during the season and get the max and 30M more than he will be getting as a FA in the coming summer whether it’s sign&trade or direct signing.

So if he got traded to Warriors and decided not to sign the extension with us, he will lose 30M by becoming a FA where he can just go to any team or he can sign and trade if the team he wants to go doesn’t have enough cap.

But all in all, he will not get as much as he can get now if he signs the extension.

bryhsiao

I meant, he will not get as much as he can get now if he waits until the summer and becomes a FA.

believewhat

deano,
“He is The Cooler.”

I like it. I am not even cautious and going to wait if McGuire’s performance is a fluke. Because, I am seeing him give consistent effort. There might be games where he will get into foul trouble and not play more than 10 minutes, but I think he will give make the difference even in that 10 minutes.

But, here is the issue. We still need to find a C. Lee, Udoh and McGuire giving good minutes, but they are all PFs and McGuire can play few mins at SF. It is very difficult to get around not having a C.

believewhat

dr.,

“Howard would lose 30M if he refused to sign an extension before he becomes a FA. ”

Howard will not exactly lose 30 millions but he will risk losing that much money. Because he can make atleast 20 mils of that money in that additional year if he doesn’t get injured. So, it will be down to who will blink first, i.e. Magic FO or Howard. Interesting to see if Magic will risk him becoming free agent and sign anywhere or Howard will risk 30millions to go to any team he wants. It is like poker.

believewhat

dr.,

BTW: thanks for being salary cap expert here. You add so much value in this blog.

Sam

Sixers just waived Francisco Elson. He used to be a decent backup center didn’t he?

believewhat

sam,

“Sixers just waived Francisco Elson. He used to be a decent backup center didn’t he?”

Hope, Ws don’t get him. He will be better than AB, but what is the point in a lost season getting someone who is neither a prospect nor a good talent. Unless ofcourse, you think he will help Ws lose few more games than AB.

1. How much longer will Jax be so foolish as to give AB any minutes? Why does this Big Zero get ANY time at all, given that he’s now, easily, the worst five in the NBA. (Cf. Two years ago he started the season with the best shooting % in league history, at 62+%. Really! Since then, he’s been in a constant nose-dive, getting worse by the season, month, week, even game.) Quit coddling this cap thief. Sit him or get rid of him.

And Kudos once again to the Idiot Lacob, who not only refused to use amnesty on this POS, but had Tyler sent down so he couldn’t be a threat to take AB’s last, few, remaining minutes. (BTW, in 10 minutes yesterday, AB was -12.)

2. Although he’s not in AB’s “worsat ever” league, why in Heaven’s name does Dorell Wright still get big minutes for (1) missing shot after shot, (2) failing to develop AT ALL in the off-season (no mid-range, still horrible handles, no passing vision, weak D, etc.), and (3) playing as timidly as any scared rook? Now, the horrid pump-fake to nowhere has become the refusal to finish on drives. Thrice last night he had an open lane to the hoop, and each time he threw it back outside — way outside; Heck, even Barnett got on his case for being so soft.

We’ve been told that Jax wants to keep Rush on Team B — which makes some sense, tho DW is about as weak a three as AB is a five. So, why not just let McG start at the three? DW should have his minutes halved, at least. Better yet, trade the guy while he still has some value.

3. Interesting to see that NO Warrior starter yesterday had a positive +/- — tho Lee and McG were both 0; and ALL the Dubstitutes were in positive +/-. Sure, it’s hardly a perfect stat, but it does reflect a pungent reality: Too much of this front-line team stinks — though our three and five are the biggest culprits, by far.

4. Lee continues to play his best ball as a Warrior — these last few weeks have been terrific. Why? Well, two big reasons: first, he’s pushing the inside moves on O, and not simply coasting on the mid-range jumper; second, he’s actually fighting to stay in the low post on D.

He’s gotten much better in my book because of this willingness to bang around more than ever before. Great to see.

5. It was nice to see the guys fight last night — and carve out a victory on the road against a team better than them on paper, anyway. But let’s not forget that, even given our bright spots, the Hawks played an absolutely horrible game == it was almost as if they were sleep-walking, figuring that our misfits could never beat them in Q4.

Both teams played poorly at the end. Fortunately for us, they played worse.

Final point: You know the season is lost when this Board focuses far more on trade philosophies than actual play. There’s a reason for this, tho no indication — let alone any reason to believe — Lacob has the guts or nuts to pull off a trade that’ll make us better.

That’s unlikely to happen until Lacob finally tumbles to the fact that he should get his greasy butt out of the decision=making process, and give West and Myers the green-light to start making things happen around here. A year and a half in — and Lacob is starting to look as scared and worthless as AB.

1) It is obvious that Lacob does not understand the crying need for a hypnotherapist of staff, probably both for Andris and the coach.

2) It was obvious last year that Dorell was worse than the year before—except for those who equate volume with quality. But ask Fitz about this.

3) This same situation occurred last year with Lin/Williams/Radmanovic/Udoh.

4) Fine by me.

5) For those who follow the NBA ebb/flow, the Hawks did not disappoint. Without Horford they now resemble the lethargic Hawks of old, and I’d have given the Warriors a great shot at this game myself. Milwaukee is on the same cusp. They are prime trade partners because they are still in denial.

Final point: Nothing suggests West and Myers can or will be able to do anything constructive, except that we know Lacob’s prejudices and Riley’s ineptitude argue for change. We do not know that West and Myers actually represent change, anyway.

dr_john

B’what:

Thanks, but I am no cap expert, and besides, Bry said the $30 million comment.

My point though was that the actual contract may be less important than the chance to compete for a championship. If a player makes more than $80 million on a shoe contract, really, what is a lousy 10 million here or there?

Seems to me, Dwight Howard has forgotten that his team did go to the finals once already.

In the spirit of my dearly departed dad, wtf cares? As with Melo, I’ve already heard more than I want to hear.

This win is not only hard to comprehend. It’s getting more harder to swallow that this ownership doesn’t have a clue.

I have lost all my hopes that this team will get any better in the near future.

That sucks. It’s hell.

I yi yiyi yi

Monta is the one that should go, he has the most value right now. Curry should be given the keys for a full year without anybody breathing down his neck. I would trade any of the rest for draft picks But if we could resign McQuire I’d be for that. Udoh IMHO is also a great trade bait right now, sure I like the way is playing (right now)but we need a real center not a 4-5 tweener. and I try to keep Rush as well, but for the right guy Id trade everybody not named Curry for a legit post playing bruising center. I still think Lacob should let West and Myer do thier job and stay out of the way. Dho is a ho and he don’t walk in Oaktown Give it up Mr. owner time to do as Oracle has stated as a good blueprint for building a winner. Intelligent drafting and well researched trades that make fiscal sense for a few years, good scouting (which we do not have now, (LIN))

rigged

‘Do you trust this FO to make a good deal? OK…Rush for Lou was good…but anything else?’

Goodness gracious! I don’t need the stat sheets. I’m sorry.

Those players aren’t even average NBA caliber type of players! smh!

rigged

Last word of mine — JLacob should let JWest and Meyers do their job.

RickP

A healthy Curry can run an offense and he is a great shooter. Not so good as a defender or driver-to-hoop. But, he’s not healthy and the prognosis is unclear. Even so, his plus/minus is usually good, both on-court and off court.

Ellis is a very different player. He’s got some obvious skills. But this is the third season in a row in which his plus/minus is upside down. On-court, he’s worse than the team as a whole. Off-court, the W’s outscore the opponent. I’m pretty well convinced that there are subtle aspects of Ellis’ game that hurt the team. I think the league knows it, and his trade value isn’t as high as W fans might hope.

I like Udoh, Rush and Lee quite a bit. I like Robinson. I think McGuire may be too limited to be more than a short minutes guy. Not sure yet about Klay. But, that leaves a lot of holes. Do we have a PG? Do we have a SG? We do not have a C.

Believewhat

jsl,

‘How much longer will Jax be so foolish as to give AB any minutes?’

I am not making execuses for jax but I think after trade deadline AB will not get any minutes and hopefully buy him out. Moving Tyler to D league, may be gettinghim ready to play major minutes.

Oh well, always hopeful.

sartre

Rondo versus Curry comparison (I don’t agree with the conclusion but the writer fairly outlines their respective strengths and weaknesses):

All along – Otis/Magic are just talking to the Warriors because they want to keep Dwight Howard happy – and give Howard a big-time scorer in Monta Ellis so that he’ll re-sign. I don’t blame the Magic – this is their best option. Problem is – there is not much on Orlando’s roster that should entice the Warriors… Plus they have a lot of bad contracts.

RE: Warriors

A lot of rumors and spins – but “at the end of the day” (in Mark Jackson’s voice), we’ll only be disappointed.

No trade at last season’s trade deadline.
No Tyson Chandler.
No DeAndre Jordan.
No Chris Paul.
Same starters as last season.

No Dwight Howard.
No trade at trade deadline.
Same starters.
No Lottery Pick.
No Good Free Agents want to sign here.

Perhaps the Celtics are blowing it up? Doc Rivers has a son coming out to the NBA Draft but he’ll likely go earlier than the Celtics’ potential pick (unless they start to tank). If the Celts have Stephen Curry – many teams might prefer a known entity like Stephen Curry over a prospect… Who knows what Danny Ainge is thinking.

Ellis/whatever Ainge wants for Rajon Rondo.

A Rondo/Curry backcourt might work out better for the Warriors. Might not. Who knows how good/bad Rondo will perform with inferior finishers… But Rondo penetrating and feeding the Warriors elite shooters would be sweet to watch. Plus Rondo’s such an elite athlete/defender…

JMJ

ho-humm

moto

(120,122) Jackson today was asked directly how much input or influence West has with personnel, and the preacher said they discussed things like a council, him included with west, riley, myers, no mention of kirk but the son has the father’s ear for sure, but in the end one guy has the final say. plenty of folks here like the ‘fire riley’ chant but he’s the mouthpiece ; please refer to 1939’s ‘wizard of oz’ if you’ve forgotten. despite the spin that the Prophit Joseph identified and signed Lin and gave him up reluctantly, allocation of assets in the manner of scraping up the inconsequential extra 400k from waiving Lin to boost the futile Jordan bid is exactly the kind of decision Lacob would have the final say about. (he probably underestimated the interest from his rivals and thought he could resign the lad).

the very good play by play guy who does national broadcasts for both the n.f.l. and n.b.a., kevin harlan, thinks the fixation on a center with ‘size’ could easily lead to a bad decision because of the way the rules and the game have changed to favor speed and open court play. defense is critically important, but there aren’t enough skilled shot blocking centers for even half of the teams in the league. consider how Popovich has changed things up in SA as Duncan has gotten older.

Lacob has only shown a bare minimum of understanding the dynamics of the present day game and the nature of competition for available talent. It’s not Jordan or Griffin that makes LA-C a playoff team, but Paul. ‘t’would be pungent irony indeed if the activist, publicly visible new owner only perpetuates the institutionalized mediocrity of the woeyrs because he doesn’t understand his own limitations.

Friday

I’d like to see a Monta & Biedrins for Rondo & Jermaine O’Neal deal go down.
Would help both clubs, I think.

JMJ

Another Dumbs win, another nail in the 2012 draft pick coffin.

gary

All this talk about trades & FAs… important stuff for us fans.

…But Adam’s title to this thread, “Cause & Effect”, made me think about trades and the NBA in general.

So let’s remember….

There are only 3 states that have NBA teams who do not have a state income tax…

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Tennessee (they tax dividends & interest only)

Guess where all the FA want to sign? Think that DHoward is really going anywhere? Why did the Heat personnel all go there? Have there been any bad Texas teams recently? Was Shaq kind of crazy to go to LA from Orlando, or was it the Hollywood thing and the desire for a ring?

When you earn a significant 8 figure income (or more), this is serious money. You’d have to be brain dead not to want to play for any the 6 teams in these states.

deano

BW : I agree that after the trade deadline, we are likely to see significant changes in the players and combinations Jackson uses. I think there will be changes even if the roster remains unchanged. Jackson has got to realize that in the last month of this season, the emphasis needs to be on the development of next season’s roster. The time for showcasing and stability will be over.

If the roster remains the same, I hope 1) that Tyler is brought back from the DLeague and given at least 10 minutes every game; 2) that Biedrins is played only enough to ensure that he takes a buy-out this summer; 3) that Curry is brought back from an enforced rest these next two weeks; 4) that Jenkins is given more minutes than Robinson at back-up PG; 5) that Thompson and Rush get a lot of minutes at SG; and 5) that the starting line-up be Curry-Ellis-McGuire-Lee-Udoh.

believewhat

deano,

As a last try, before the deadline, coach should try to play AB until he fouls out. I want to see him like three games of 10+ rebs and I think he can get you 10 rebounds if we ignore his other parts of the game.

After the deadline, just shelve AB and even buy him out, there is no point trying to make him work. I was as avid support as anyone, but I gave up on him 3 months into last season, wish Ws FO also gave up on him and amnestied him.

As per Tyler, why just 10 minutes, make him learn on the job. Play him 25 minutes. If a coach tells young players to be not afraid of doing mistakes but learn from mistakes, most young guys will play with confidence. If he doesn’t show learning curve then it will be easy decision for Ws, but will know what we have here. If he plays he will know where he stands in the order with other NBA players and has a chance to work out and show us what he has in summer league and pre season.

I do like the confidence shown up Klay Thompson, either it is because of Jax or it is all Klay, I don’t know but he does play with confidence that goes long way establishing himself as a NBA player.

deano

Friday: The salaries are not a close enough match. Also, Ellis for Rondo would leave us with us with two starting PGs.

The buzz about Curry ($3.1MM) for Rondo ($10MM) would be of more interest if Boston would also take Biedrins ($9MM), and give us their 2012 first round pick.

believewhat

Chad Ford thinks, OKC may have problem retaining both Ibaka and Harden this off season. Ws should really get the draft pick, that can open doors for stealing players like these, not because teams didn’t like them but if they can’t afford them.

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Teddy (America)

How will the THunder afford Harden next year when he becomes a restricted free agent, there aren’t a whole lot of top 25 players in the league…
Chad Ford
(1:24 PM)

It’s going to be a problem. They have to pay Serge Ibaka too … Not sure OKC can afford to be a luxury tax team … especially when the harsher penalties start to kick in. One of those two probably has to go. Maybe both.

Gmoney

I would LOVE to get my hands on Ibaka for the dubs even though Harden is a more obvious choice.

Frank

The Oracle: No one disagrees that an offensive rebound leads to more scoring opportunities. But one can not jump from that concept, to saying that by Udoh not obtaining many defensive rebounds he is responsible for those additional scoring opportunities. As on most missed shots by our opponents, other Warriors obtain the defensive rebound.

I’m more concerned that Udoh continues to stop team’s from scoring the first time they shoot, resulting in the opponent having an opportunity to garner an offensive rebound, rather than our opponents scoring on their first attempt.

I want Udoh to continue to help keep opponents scoring 10-14 less points per game.

Every so often, an opponent will score a basket off of an offensive that can be traced to Udoh not garnering the defensive rebound.

Against Atanta, on one possession, Udoh virtually single handedly kept Atlanta from scoring on four or five attempts under the rim. On the possession, Atlanta obtained each offensive rebound, only for Atlanta to finally score off of his offensive basket interference. I was just glad he helped make Atlanta miss all the shots they did on that possession.

Except for that play, Atlanta had only 4 or 5 more offensive rebounds that the Warriors for the game which is not many given that the Atlanta missed 10 or 11 more shots than the Warriors. Udoh can hardly be blamed for Atlanta’s offensive rebounds.

It should also be noted he had five offensive rebounds himself. That gave the Warriors 5 more scoring opportunites. I believe, no one else had more than one.If he wasn’t on the court, the offensive rebounding differential would have been even wider.

As you are aware the basic concept on defense is to keep the other team from scoring. This is more important that a defensive player’s individual defensive rebounding stats, especially when other Warriors are obtaining the defensive rebounds. Hopefully, SJ Jim will get get this concept.

sartre

Marcus Thompson: “Dominic McGuire gets the start again tonight. But Steph Curry didn’t rule himself out yet. Said he will come early to test right foot.” about 2 hours ago

believewhat

sartre,

The game is on ESPN, so I think Curry will play today. The whole Ws team is up for grabs in trade, so hopefully they put up a good show and not embarass us.

believewhat

g$,

“I would LOVE to get my hands on Ibaka for the dubs even though Harden is a more obvious choice.”

I hear you and my preference is Ibaka too. But, Ws need to have the pick to be a player. Or may be Udoh+expiring contracts for Ibaka might save some money for OKC too.

bw @124: Sure hope you’re right re AB and Tyler — but it’s getting increasingly more difficult to give Lacob & Son any cred for actual bball thinking after they pulled that enormous idiocy with the DJordan “offer”:

1. Lin lost;

2. Morrow tossed; and MOST important

3. Amnesty simply burned, uselessly.

In short, worst Warrior move in a generation; worse even than Cohan’s waste of the invaluable $10MM trade exception gained from the JR-BW trade.

So, why believe these Bozos are suddenly getting hip to things?

Tired

Once Tyler comes up he should get some real minutes. Good, bad or ugly, he needs to play. Same thing with C Wright. Let him play. Jenkins too.

We aren’t going anywhere this year. The worst that can happen is losing the draft pick, so let’s not do that. We have won some games, established better defense and better rotations (not saying much). Make internal adjustments and continue teaching and let the youngsters play.

MIx and match the rotations. Try never having Curry and Monta on the floor together. Do not put all our worst defenders on the floor at one time like we have been doing with the old starting lineup. Put AB on the injured reserve to heal his brain. Let’s get creative here.

high dribble dribble

sitting in NY and being a Ws fan – can’t really describe what its like to see a Knick solving their point guard situation with Lin/Davis

from NY article:

Lin discussed being a Davis fan when Davis and the Warriors pulled off a first-round playoff upset against the Mavericks in 2007. “I watched every single one of those up until 1 in the morning by myself in my dorm at Harvard,” Lin said. “Just growing up a lifelong Warriors fan, so I remember everything.”

We are all suckers for Warriors ball. How else we still be fans of this team ? We can only hope these guys learn from the mistakes. Cohan before and Lacob now don’t seem to want to go on the successful path for small markets. I am talking about path taken by OKC and now Indiana. Some of us(Oracle, more vocally) wanted to rebuild when we lost on Baron Davis. But, Ws owners, suckers for money, always give false hope of playoffs for the sake of selling tickets. Even though Warriors are not in small market, coupled with bad reputation that is how Ws are viewed in NBA.

Now, Ws despite all the mistakes they have done have few young pieces to build around and need to accumulate more young talent for couple of more years. Monta needs to go and if it comes to that I don’t mind even letting Curry go, but the rebuilding should begin.

Gmoney

High Dribble Dribble.

OUCH

believewhat

Frank,

I would say this, the line Udoh has put last game is what he should average for year to justify his pick. Hopefully, he will from next year. IMO, his 5 ORs did more than compensate for his poor rebounding on defensive end. Ofcourse, you can’t expect him to 5ORs every game, but in all, if he can give you 8 rebs and 12 pts in 30 mins, he will be huge part of Ws resurrection. Ws don’t have a choice but give Udoh 30mins a night from now on, my money is on Udoh having +ve impact but want to see by how much.