Why pull ups? Do some at the gym, and can do a set of 10 and 2 more after a few seconds.

Not been posting, been concentrating on training and focusing on my schedule. I'm quite fast, and finding that some races I do really well, some ok, and maybe getting help with traveling to races and been noticed at some races and asked to race in some other races.

As for being skinny, It feels ok and find that it helps for speed and stamina.

in my opinion elite is anything under 6 minute pace for 5k to marathon, because such a small percentage of the population can do that.theres elite , and world class elite. in my opinion world class elite is under 5 minute miles for middle to long distance because theres so few in the world that can do that.. But anything under 7 minute miles pace is very great for middle distance because roughly thats in the top 10 % of runners pace for half marathon to full marathon.

I can do 17:30 for 5k, but happy to be the best I can or 10% area. I reckon my weight is optimum for what I'm doing and training is ok. I only find long fast runs take it out of me. Just need to get my head around the fact that my body is being pushed to that 10% where most running that people do is withing a comfortable zone.

I can do 17:30 for 5k, but happy to be the best I can or 10% area. I reckon my weight is optimum for what I'm doing and training is ok. I only find long fast runs take it out of me. Just need to get my head around the fact that my body is being pushed to that 10% where most running that people do is withing a comfortable zone.

true, but I would say 17:30 is in top 2-5% that time will win most local 5k events

I can do 17:30 for 5k, but happy to be the best I can or 10% area. I reckon my weight is optimum for what I'm doing and training is ok. I only find long fast runs take it out of me. Just need to get my head around the fact that my body is being pushed to that 10% where most running that people do is withing a comfortable zone.

few days ago I looked at many of the finishes of the Mainerunning youtube channel, most local 5k wins in that state, late 17s and 18s

I can do 17:30 for 5k, but happy to be the best I can or 10% area. I reckon my weight is optimum for what I'm doing and training is ok. I only find long fast runs take it out of me. Just need to get my head around the fact that my body is being pushed to that 10% where most running that people do is withing a comfortable zone.

true, but I would say 17:30 is in top 2-5% that time will win most local 5k events

To be an elite in my opinion you have to be paid for running or at least have a sponsor at the calliber of Nike , ADIDAS etc. And the fact that you are monitoring your weight everyday is just pure stupidity and won't get you anywhere in the cruel world of distance running.

However elite is not a word to be used lightly. Elite sounds like pro, good enough to earn money and compete with the world. One way to know is to watch a pro track event (Youtube or TV) and imagine if you can keep pace with the pack most of the time. Elites' race times normally don't differ too much from one another. Generally I see sub-14:00 5K as the floor level to be considered elite.

Regardless of whether you can be an elite, your attitude and enthusiasm are definitely worthy of an elite. Not to mention, you are looking more like an elite runner (skinny) everyday!

Have to throw out age when talking about elite IMO. Does age make a difference in Olympic Trials qualifying, would Michael Jordan be an elite basketball player now? No, same standard for everyone. IMO, elite doesn't have an asterisk after it.

I was called "elite" a few weeks ago, I won a race, managed to sprint past someone and grab the win. I didn't feel elite afterwards it really took it out of me to win, but at the finishing line, with sweat on my body, getting congratulated felt sort of "elite".

Those classes are arbitrary based on nice round percentages and have little to do with whether a time is actually local, regional, national, or world class. At my best I might be consider high local or low regional class when you look at actual race results, but the AG calculator rates me much higher with a few times being rated national class. That's just hogwash.

Have to throw out age when talking about elite IMO. Does age make a difference in Olympic Trials qualifying, would Michael Jordan be an elite basketball player now? No, same standard for everyone. IMO, elite doesn't have an asterisk after it.

You don't sound like a masters runner with that view point, so yes while it's true we can't qualify for the Olympics we can come up with truly elite performances. Stop being so negative, RELAX your Packers made the playoffs it will be alright. I felt pretty good at Nationals when I long jumped within 2" of former NFL receiver the Rams Henry Ellard. I do however have high standards on what I would call Elite. I ran a 2:09.5 800M 50 age group which ranked me 5th and had a 89.8 age graded score but I don't consider it elite. I feel I would have needed a 2:05 for that.

With Masters it's all relative. The age grade percentiles do provide an objective benchmark for a given age, but agreed the criteria put out by USATF is a little too generous. Nevertheless, if you follow such things you probably could develop a reasonable scale. To me it's something more like:

80% - regional class

85% - national class (you look at USATF championships and the like and an 85% level will place you in the top 10 at most age groups, maybe not the 40-44 which usually happens to be more competitive than the others).

>90% - yeah, that's getting pretty much into world class territory, but not saying that 89.9% is national class while 90 or 90.2% is world class. But once you get into the 90s there are very very few in the US or world who will be faster in a given year.

But for open level competition an 90% is very good (arguably elite), but no where near "world class."

With Masters it's all relative. The age grade percentiles do provide an objective benchmark for a given age, but agreed the criteria put out by USATF is a little too generous. Nevertheless, if you follow such things you probably could develop a reasonable scale. To me it's something more like:

80% - regional class

85% - national class (you look at USATF championships and the like and an 85% level will place you in the top 10 at most age groups, maybe not the 40-44 which usually happens to be more competitive than the others).

>90% - yeah, that's getting pretty much into world class territory, but not saying that 89.9% is national class while 90 or 90.2% is world class. But once you get into the 90s there are very very few in the US or world who will be faster in a given year.

But for open level competition an 90% is very good (arguably elite), but no where near "world class."

Yea it's a little subjective with percentages for different classes and yes if your over 90% you will have very few in front of you. I wanted to run that 800 one more time at Nationals but it was during the same time as my Pentathlon so couldn't do it. I really feel I had a high 2:07-2:08 in me which would have given me a 90+. Oh well we'll see what this year brings

Have to throw out age when talking about elite IMO. Does age make a difference in Olympic Trials qualifying, would Michael Jordan be an elite basketball player now? No, same standard for everyone. IMO, elite doesn't have an asterisk after it.

You don't sound like a masters runner with that view point, so yes while it's true we can't qualify for the Olympics we can come up with truly elite performances. Stop being so negative, RELAX your Packers made the playoffs it will be alright. I felt pretty good at Nationals when I long jumped within 2" of former NFL receiver the Rams Henry Ellard. I do however have high standards on what I would call Elite. I ran a 2:09.5 800M 50 age group which ranked me 5th and had a 89.8 age graded score but I don't consider it elite. I feel I would have needed a 2:05 for that.

Actually I'm 58 so I would qualify in the Masters category as widely defined.

Sorry but you look like a female in your photo and your BMI sounds like anorexia to me regardless of whether you are male or female. If you have to ask if you are an elite athlete then you are not one and you wouldnt weigh 7.8 stone even if you were an Olympic marathoner. My son is 15 your height slim and incredibly fit (plays 3 sports and excels at one and dont get me started on level of training he does) he weighs 9 stone and we can see his ribs and hassle him constantly to eat more (he eats like a horse).

I agree that elite doesn't consider age. You have to be able to get it together at the right time in your life to be in the top on the world stage not just be a really fast old person. I look at age grading 80%-90% and I think a lot more people could do those times if they were interested and had the time, thousands and thousands of people. I doubt that a lot more people on the planet could be elite at a natural prime age for something like olympic trials.

Even Ed Whitlock admits his records are soft because not many people try like he does.

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