Yeah but Nvidia do have plety of "partners"... The fewer partners nvidia has, the better it is for the remaining partners, as there is less competition in the space. There will be a market for nvidia for a while.

This is just one product out of generations of many successful products, and many more to come. Bashing it and potentially ruining the relationship is not smart. Im inclined to believe FUD more than this. XFX by itself wouldn't cut off a relationship that has made them SO much money over the last few years.

and G92 was cheap as **** to produce. Board mfgs were making a killing off those cards.

Sadly this will make other Nvidia/AMD partners re-evaluate whether fermi is worth the backlash, seeing as Nvidia just lost one of their best partners here if they got another hit from another, I don't know ASUS, or MSI, that will pretty much be a red flag to not buy the GTX4XX.

but they will be selling the midrange 4XX cards, they just don't wanna take the risk with the 2 top ones

New cards must bring evolution in tech department not just raw power like most ATI cards im buying Fermi cause of CUDA, Physx, C++, Open CL and driver support that metter for me and i belive for many other gamers too and the price battle is good but lets not forgget nvidia cards are steps ahed of AMD in terms of tech...

Who cares if evga make the best nvidia cards,who would actually want to pay for one of the heaters/gtx 480/70 cards anyway.

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Really, if the GTX470 actually does perform the same as the HD5870 like the reviews seem to suggest(I'm waiting for a W1z review though), and it is $50 less than the HD5870 as the MSRP suggests, I'd buy one. Performance for the buck is all I really care about, the 30w power consumption doesn't really bother me. If performance per watt was a concern, I would have never bought an HD4890.

Really, if the GTX470 actually does perform the same as the HD5870 like the reviews seem to suggest(I'm waiting for a W1z review though), and it is $50 less than the HD5870 as the MSRP suggests, I'd buy one. Performance for the buck is all I really care about, the 30w power consumption doesn't really bother me. If performance per watt was a concern, I would have never bought an HD4890.

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If it's performance vs dollar then the 5850 wins (I think) out of the four competitors. But then you can keep playing that bang-for-buck game right down the line of products. In reality we all put a minimum-performance threshold down, and play bang-for-buck above that.

Watts is something I consider, but is unlikely to be a deal-breaker. Unless the difference is seemingly huge, as it is with the 5870 vs 480, then it gains more weight in the decision making process (as the electricity cost over the lifetime of the product may become significant). Noise is a factor that I also consider important.

Fermi is not to throw off so quickly , who knows what it can do for applications , i would gladly pay 500 euros for a card that can speed up my video editing software considerably, look at this http://blogs.adobe.com/genesisproject/2009/11/technology_sneek_peek_adobe_me.html , holly sh.it this is fast , you can't have this with any CPU on the market , i want this.
Also that is with a quadro 4800 , a GT200 version with 192 shaders , imagine GTX480 in adobe premiere CS5.
Other than speeding up applications i don't care for Nvidia much , in games i prefer the cheaper Ati versions.

I think this correlates to to XFX's value proposition to consumers. The warranty they offer on products is somewhat unique compared to other vendors, and I think there saving themselves cost, and future Fermi returns down the line.

The list of approved GPU cards will be limited initially to ensure that we have a consistent experience for our customers. Obviously this begs the question of which cards are you going to support? I think the answer here could be a moving target but two cards that I've been told will be supported are the GeForce GTX 285, the Quadro FX 4800, 5800 and the Quadro CX. I'm currently doing my testing with the Quadro 4800. The GeForce GTX 285 card should be one to really look at as it's street price is only about $300.00 and provides a real value to users that are looking to get the maximum bang for the buck.

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Maybe quadro cards have that price for people who work with 3d , i don't need that.

Not a Bench machine only OC'd cuz it's in my blood. This is boarderline over-kill for my needs, but

Something is going on at Nvidia, and it's no secret.
I called my broker at Smith Barney yesterday, for some advice on my continuously shrinking
portfolio.
I was advised against the short sell, but was also told that Nvidia Chairmen have already sold large percentages of their own shares.
Hsun is one of three names he mentioned, having sold more than 70,000 shares of late.
I inquired about purchasing more shares for myself since it is down so low.

He replied "As to the future of Nvidia I can't say, I'm only a stock broker. But, when the top Brass starts jumping ship, it is wise to sit back and see if the ship is actually sinking or not.
These are often calculated maneuvers, or exactly what they seem."

This is not the first time Nvidia was late for the dance. I personally do not want to believe they are in that deep, first quarter reports will be out soon.

Nah, Nvidia will not sink. It has alot of other things like Tegra and CUDA seems to be a hit with scientists who cannot afford a proper supercomputer.

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I'm a gamer not a quantum physicist. If someone wants to do some heavy folding with a GTX 480, please start thinking about the real cost-benefit between the folding itself and electricity consumption (more global warming besides your room warming).

I'm a gamer not a quantum physicist. If someone wants to do some heavy folding with a GTX 480, please start thinking about the real cost-benefit between the folding itself and electricity consumption (more global warming besides your room warming).

I'm a gamer not a quantum physicist. If someone wants to do some heavy folding with a GTX 480, please start thinking about the real cost-benefit between the folding itself and electricity consumption (more global warming besides your room warming).

Thank God I bought my XFX XXX 5850 on time! I heard it's now sold out again on NewEgg...I had XFX 7950 GT nVidia on my old rig, I'm glad I'm running crossfire with this bad boy! Another blow to nVidia fan's

BTW - Here is my spoiler, got this back in early Febuary from NewEgg when I was building my system!

Yeah, but only one generation of Nvidia GPU (GT200). It's splitting hairs a bit though - it doesn't seem like long ago that XFX was Nvidia-only.

If it's performance vs dollar then the 5850 wins (I think) out of the four competitors. But then you can keep playing that bang-for-buck game right down the line of products. In reality we all put a minimum-performance threshold down, and play bang-for-buck above that.

Watts is something I consider, but is unlikely to be a deal-breaker. Unless the difference is seemingly huge, as it is with the 5870 vs 480, then it gains more weight in the decision making process (as the electricity cost over the lifetime of the product may become significant). Noise is a factor that I also consider important.

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I agree, I was just talking about that performance level. Usually the bang for the buck improves as performance decreases, and generally I don't pay more than $300 for a graphics card, and this generation won't be an exception. I'm also not an early adoptor anymore, I'll likely stick with what I have for a good long while until prices are reasonable, likely almost at the end of the generation.

I'm personally very disappointed with the GTX480, but the GTX470 seems to be turning into a decent card. Yes, power consumption is still higher than the HD5870, but performance is right about the same, and price is shaping out to be the same also. The GTX480 is turning into another 8800GTX/Ultra, insanely price, insanely hot, but the single GPU performance leader, but the real winner is the next step down(8800GTS/GTX470).

You know, up until a few months ago, I wouldn't have considered noise as a buying factor. However, when I put the HD4890 in my main rig, it really has changed my mind! It is so much more annoying than most of the previous cards I've had in the computer, it is really the first card that actually bothers me during gaming, and with the GTX480 being even louder, screw that.

You know, up until a few months ago, I wouldn't have considered noise as a buying factor. However, when I put the HD4890 in my main rig, it really has changed my mind! It is so much more annoying than most of the previous cards I've had in the computer, it is really the first card that actually bothers me during gaming, and with the GTX480 being even louder, screw that.

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My computer is in our bedroom in our flat, so noise has always been an issue. My old 4870x2 was noisy as hell too, but that problem got fixed when it broke three times and I decided to 'trade down' to the 285.