You're a fool if you think Fav and JO are better players than Asik right now.

Numbers don't lie. Asik isn't that good.

That why two teams have now passed on him.

You're right the numbers don't lie. The numbers showing how much better a team defense the rockets have had (and the Bulls before) when Asik is on the court. Not to mention the numbers that show what a dominat rebounder he is.

Nor the advanced stats that measure things like Win shares that put him very high in the league. So you are right. The numbers show Asik is a very good player.

Here's the thing, wozzy, you're trying to compare Fav and Asik this season.

You don't have to be a genius to figure out that when Asik was a starter last season, he started 82 games and averaged a double-double.

Like I said in another thread, if Fav is so good then why is Ainge offering Bass, Lee, and a 1st rounder for Asik?

That's something you can't answer.

Asik is not a Celtic, no trade happened and even if Asik became a Celtic, it will be to remove two bad contracts and consolidate them into one, which Ainge will probably turn around and trade once it becomes moveable.

The team is trying to improve, signing the white Kendrick Perkins to a bloated longterm contract isn't the answer, see how I snuck race in there so you would understand.

Fav is better than Asik, he was better early in this season when Fav was playing more, he is better now that they're both playing comparable minutes, he's better if you put Fav's numbers into the Per 36 minutes number cruncher.

Fav plays three minutes less per game than Asik; he scores more points, has more steals, has more blocks, has more assists, shoots threes. I deal in facts not opinion, if Fav was starting for an entire season his stats would be better.

The team saw what Fav did early in the season, coach Stevens stated Fav had been their best defender, then they started sitting him to give Oly minutes and showcase Bass and Hump who are up for trade.

When Rondo is back and this front office believes they have what it takes to compete night in and night out Fav will be the starting center.

Here's the thing, wozzy, you're trying to compare Fav and Asik this season.

You don't have to be a genius to figure out that when Asik was a starter last season, he started 82 games and averaged a double-double.

Like I said in another thread, if Fav is so good then why is Ainge offering Bass, Lee, and a 1st rounder for Asik?

That's something you can't answer.

Asik is not a Celtic, no trade happened and even if Asik became a Celtic, it will be to remove two bad contracts and consolidate them into one, which Ainge will probably turn around and trade once it becomes moveable.

The team is trying to improve, signing the white Kendrick Perkins to a bloated longterm contract isn't the answer, see how I snuck race in there so you would understand.

Fav is better than Asik, he was better early in this season when Fav was playing more, he is better now that they're both playing comparable minutes, he's better if you put Fav's numbers into the Per 36 minutes number cruncher.

Fav plays three minutes less per game than Asik; he scores more points, has more steals, has more blocks, has more assists, shoots threes. I deal in facts not opinion, if Fav was starting for an entire season his stats would be better.

The team saw what Fav did early in the season, coach Stevens stated Fav had been their best defender, then they started sitting him to give Oly minutes and showcase Bass and Hump who are up for trade.

When Rondo is back and this front office believes they have what it takes to compete night in and night out Fav will be the starting center.

This is insane. People stop thinking steals and blocks are good defense. Garnett didn't block many shots. Didn't take any charges and is one of the best defenders in the history of the league. Garnett alters shots. Asik alters shots.

The rockets were TEN Points better with him on the court. One of the highest marks in the league. Those defensive numbers were also very high on the Buls. Which is why the Rockets paid so much for him.

Asik was the second best rebounder per 36 minutes in the entire NBA. His contested rebound percentage ( and advanced stat teams like toe Celtics and Rockets use) show that he had the highest rate of winning contested rebounds in the league.

Win shares another advanced stat, Asik had over an 8 last year. That is higher than Pierce of Garnett had with the Celtics.

Asik is a very good player. He isn't a franchise guy, but he is a huge upgrade over Faverani. Who is a promising young player but stop getting carried away.