Best way out of friendzone is to stop acting like a friend. See other friends, make like you've got a ton of other people you're currently catching up and enjoying the **** out of it. Often enough to bet on, you'll be a candidate for one of her zones again and it won't be the FMZ (and yes it needs a military codename, dammit).

Win-win; if she's not interested, you get to spend a heap of time with actual friends and if she is, well, duh. TBH, she'd have to be really uninterested for the former to occur; even if only slightly keen, the above tactic usually results in some serious enthusiasm what with competitive natures and such.

A good starting point is to stop giving so much of a ****. Then what you said will follow.

Best way out of friendzone is to stop acting like a friend. See other friends, make like you've got a ton of other people you're currently catching up and enjoying the **** out of it. Often enough to bet on, you'll be a candidate for one of her zones again and it won't be the FMZ (and yes it needs a military codename, dammit).

Win-win; if she's not interested, you get to spend a heap of time with actual friends and if she is, well, duh. TBH, she'd have to be really uninterested for the former to occur; even if only slightly keen, the above tactic usually results in some serious enthusiasm what with competitive natures and such.

This.

Also, two other things DoG

a) be a stereotypical alpha male

You'll be hated, you'll be yelled at, but for whatever reason a lot of girls like them more than the guys they say they like (charming, caring, sensitive, funny=FRIENDZONE). If you're naturally a really nice guy then you're ****ed. Go rob an old lady pronto.

b) get a girlfriend

ANY girlfriend. Well okay, within reason. Doesn't have to be serious, in fact, better if its not. The purpose is to show other girls you're taken. Why? Because for half of them, something they can't have is almost irresistable. You know how all the cool girls are always taken, usually by some douche, and you completely love them? Works the other way too. It also means you can get close to them without them thinking you're just trying to get into them (which you probably are, but they don't need to know that.) You want them in love with you first.

I sound like an asshole, yes, but from observation and possible experimentation it seems to work.

Another plan is the age old go out, get drunk, get them drunker, proceed.

Originally Posted by Athlai

Jeets doesn't really deserve to be bowling.

Originally Posted by Athlai

Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.

Going out and meeting other birds is good too because it shows you that she isn't the only one out there and you'll be less whipped because of it(you should be). She's got a boyfriend so time you met other chicks.

I read in a book (so it must be true) that the base evolutionary desire of women is to find a partner that can provide for thier offspring. Likewise, in days of yore men chose a partner based on how likely they were to produce and care for healthy sprogs - which is why we put so much emphasis on sweater puppies and curves.

But bikies, abusive partners and particularly dense jocks don't give any hint of being able to be able to provide. Yet they score, and frequently. It's a royal ****er of a paradox.

ANY girlfriend. Well okay, within reason. Doesn't have to be serious, in fact, better if its not. The purpose is to show other girls you're taken. Why? Because for half of them, something they can't have is almost irresistable. You know how all the cool girls are always taken, usually by some douche, and you completely love them? Works the other way too. It also means you can get close to them without them thinking you're just trying to get into them (which you probably are, but they don't need to know that.) You want them in love with you first.

Agree on the whole with that, but can seriously backfire if you come onto the bird you really want and end up looking like a sleaze - credibility gone in an instant.

The non-serious thing is a good start, but even that has to end before you proceed. Chicks that are worth their salt don't like blokes who do the dirty on a previous partner, knowing that it's a pretty solid form guide to go off.

'Copperfield,' said Mr. Micawber, 'farewell! Every happiness and prosperity! If, in the progress of revolving years, I could persuade myself that my blighted destiny had been a warning to you, I should feel that I had not occupied another man's place in existence altogether in vain.
- Wilkins Micawber

I read in a book (so it must be true) that the base evolutionary desire of women is to find a partner that can provide for thier offspring. Likewise, in days of yore men chose a partner based on how likely they were to produce and care for healthy sprogs - which is why we put so much emphasis on sweater puppies and curves.

But bikies, abusive partners and particularly dense jocks don't give any hint of being able to be able to provide. Yet they score, and frequently. It's a royal ****er of a paradox.

Much of anthropology = bull****, tbh.

The most reliable indicator (and it's not great) for such things is the ladette's Dad. Be like him, in like Flynn (mostly).

Beg to differ. Easy to spot an alpha male among a group, especially in social situations.

Likewise, there's a quite compelling argument about the Chinese work ethic - that it was gained through ancient rice-harvesting techniques which were completely manual and bloody onerous to boot (putting it kindly). This was never quite eliminated through evolving lifestyles, so it was passed down through successive generations.

If you Google 'Malcolm Gladwell', 'outliers' and 'work ethic' there's a much deeper case put forth.

Beg to differ. Easy to spot an alpha male among a group, especially in social situations.

I know the book but I doubt that you could say the above about one of the book's subjects, Bill Gates, in Micro$oft's early days. When a 'science' like psychology rejects behaviourism as an accurate determinant of psychology in and of itself, well...... Oppenheimer, on the other hand, but he was stinking rich and good looking, was born into top-dog body language.

Okay seriously, the field is a haven for bull**** artists. Probably more what I'm trying to say.

You'll be hated, you'll be yelled at, but for whatever reason a lot of girls like them more than the guys they say they like (charming, caring, sensitive, funny=FRIENDZONE). If you're naturally a really nice guy then you're ****ed. Go rob an old lady pronto.

b) get a girlfriend

ANY girlfriend. Well okay, within reason. Doesn't have to be serious, in fact, better if its not. The purpose is to show other girls you're taken. Why? Because for half of them, something they can't have is almost irresistable. You know how all the cool girls are always taken, usually by some douche, and you completely love them? Works the other way too. It also means you can get close to them without them thinking you're just trying to get into them (which you probably are, but they don't need to know that.) You want them in love with you first.

I sound like an asshole, yes, but from observation and possible experimentation it seems to work.

Another plan is the age old go out, get drunk, get them drunker, proceed.

Or, DoG, just be yourself.

WWCC - Loyaulte Mi Lie"People make me happy.. not places.. people""When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life." - Samuel Johnson

"Hope is the fuel of progress and fear is the prison in which you put yourself" - Tony Benn

Yeah, but he's a tax lawyer. Recipe for a disaster. Loved these parts:

"I'm glad he felt comfortable being himself," said brother Chris Scanlon, 39. "But when you're in full-blown mid-30s-crisis mode with misogynist tendencies and a desperate, neurotic need for approval, maybe 'the real you' is not the best thing to put forward."
According to reports, Scanlon's profound insecurity led him to monopolize the first 45 minutes of conversation, talking about nothing but himself. Worse, his inability to get over his divorce prompted him to meticulously detail every phase of his failed marriage.

I don't reckon there's that much wrong with me, tbh. I can hold a conversation with a girl, make them laugh, etc.

The thing is I care too much. I think the situation with the girl in the park was me just not giving a **** anymore after the events of the girl with the b.f. But I felt like a **** for probably coming on too strong on the first date.