RangerG, I would think that adding a form or two to KM wouldn't hurt the style at all. Even boxers shadowbox, and most have certain patterns they repeat when they shadowbox. It is about having the muscle memory to follow up what you do with a certain strike, making it a reactionary matter, instead of an intellectual matter. The only problem is that you would want someone with technical genius to make up the form, unless you borrow one from another style and modify the stances and hand positioning to fit KM. I would advise making a KM based form though, as it is actually alot easier in the long run.

While there is no "kata" in KM... there is "mista- krav"...rough translation is "playfighting" To actually continue with moves and techniques wound end up with broken bones so this is a good way for two or more partners to train in safety... Basically a free flowing fight in which you move well with each and think a few moves ahead... Best description is to watch the IKMA website at www.kravmagaisraeli.com and go to page of video clips and look for "playfighting" video.

I'd be interested in seeing it if you decide to do it.It will be very difficult though. Try having multiple scenario meanings for each move.I saw some krav self defense clips and I can tell you there are kata that cover most of what I saw. I'm going to start working on a groundfighting kata next year.

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What is the need for kata in class? The TKD and Karate classes screwed up enough of the KM classes already with the bowing. When I have gone to Krav Licensee classes that run out of TKD or Karate schools I was shocked to see the difference. If I wanted to learn eastern martial arts i would have enrolled in one of them. I want to learn KM when i go to a KM school.

First off, retzef, your problem may lie in the use of the word kata. Just use the word form. It basically means the same thing, but loses the connotation of being Japanese in origin and thus some mystic Asian thing.

Second, if you refer to my earlier post regarding the subject, you will notice there are reasons for using forms in training. A basic level training course for military/LE purposes is one thing, but a person who wants to go more in depth into the fighting aspect of KM will enjoy the opportunity to perform the moves in a prearranged sequence, thus giving them the ability to spot new applications for different combinations.

"Groundfighting kata" sounds a lot like BJJ "flow drills" where you start in a position like the mount or guard and then transition from one position to the next by either passing your opponent's guard or using pressure and leverage to move from say a mount to a scarf hold. These are good drills for teaching you the basic BJJ positions. Check out Dave Meyer and John Will's BJJ books and DVDs, they include some of these flow drills.