Can someone explain why we want to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth? You might think, well, it's not a cloth, it's what that cloth stands for but the pledge appears to explicitly differentiate between the two: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands..."

Am I missing something or does it actually mean you're pledging to both the flag, which is a piece of cloth, and separately to the republic that it symbolizes?

Ditto to that, it was a funny little surprise when our two year old son was able to recite the pledge in bits and pieces. "Awe, Cameron's been brainwashed... that's cute, he doesn't even know what he's saying".

It is observed that the most egregiously unpopula functions of the federal government will retain full functionality despite it all; Nixon and Matthau be praised./to be taken with a giant grain of natrolite

BullBearMS:Day_Old_Dutchie: This whole "trying to blame things on the shutdown to score some points" thing is really getting far too silly.

It's part of the "who can be more petulant than a third grader" contest the two parties are having.

Thankfully, America is paying attetion.

Americans have never been more eager for a third party in American politics as the government shutdown continues to generate record levels of frustration, according to a new poll.

Sixty percent believe Democrats and Republicans are doing such a poor job a third party is needed, according to a Gallup poll out Friday, a record high in the 10 years Gallup has polled on the question. Similarly, a record-low number of Americans - 26 percent - said the current two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Also for the first time in the poll's history, when broken down by party, a majority of both Democrats and Republicans say a third party is needed.

ArcadianRefugee:BullBearMS: Day_Old_Dutchie: This whole "trying to blame things on the shutdown to score some points" thing is really getting far too silly.

It's part of the "who can be more petulant than a third grader" contest the two parties are having.

Thankfully, America is paying attetion.

Americans have never been more eager for a third party in American politics as the government shutdown continues to generate record levels of frustration, according to a new poll.

Sixty percent believe Democrats and Republicans are doing such a poor job a third party is needed, according to a Gallup poll out Friday, a record high in the 10 years Gallup has polled on the question. Similarly, a record-low number of Americans - 26 percent - said the current two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Also for the first time in the poll's history, when broken down by party, a majority of both Democrats and Republicans say a third party is needed.

ArcadianRefugee:BullBearMS: Day_Old_Dutchie: This whole "trying to blame things on the shutdown to score some points" thing is really getting far too silly.

It's part of the "who can be more petulant than a third grader" contest the two parties are having.

Thankfully, America is paying attetion.

Americans have never been more eager for a third party in American politics as the government shutdown continues to generate record levels of frustration, according to a new poll.

Sixty percent believe Democrats and Republicans are doing such a poor job a third party is needed, according to a Gallup poll out Friday, a record high in the 10 years Gallup has polled on the question. Similarly, a record-low number of Americans - 26 percent - said the current two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Also for the first time in the poll's history, when broken down by party, a majority of both Democrats and Republicans say a third party is needed.

Where's Perot?

Perot lost a long time ago due to having thin convictions that played the centrists perfectly, yet of course failed to gain votes. Everyone thinks centrism is ideal, but the most powerful country in the world doesn't work that way. Pick a side, or forever remain a centrist moron with no real ideals. The idea of centrism sells...after election.

Lady Indica:Having children mindlessly recite a loyalty oath is farking creepy with or without the god part.

I believe in one God,the Father almighty,maker of heaven and earth,of all things visible and invisible.I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,the Only Begotten Son of God,born of the Father before all ages.God from God, Light from Light,true God from true God,begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;through him all things were made.For us men and for our salvationhe came down from heaven,and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,and became man.For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,he suffered death and was buried,and rose again on the third dayin accordance with the Scriptures.He ascended into heavenand is seated at the right hand of the Father.He will come again in gloryto judge the living and the deadand his kingdom will have no end.I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,who proceeds from the Father and the Son,who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,who has spoken through the prophets.I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sinsand I look forward to the resurrection of the deadand the life of the world to come. Amen.

It's part of the "who can be more petulant than a third grader" contest the two parties are having.

Thankfully, America is paying attetion.

Americans have never been more eager for a third party in American politics as the government shutdown continues to generate record levels of frustration, according to a new poll.

Sixty percent believe Democrats and Republicans are doing such a poor job a third party is needed, according to a Gallup poll out Friday, a record high in the 10 years Gallup has polled on the question. Similarly, a record-low number of Americans - 26 percent - said the current two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Also for the first time in the poll's history, when broken down by party, a majority of both Democrats and Republicans say a third party is needed.

Where's Perot?

Perot lost a long time ago due to having thin convictions that played the centrists perfectly, yet of course failed to gain votes. Everyone thinks centrism is ideal, but the most powerful country in the world doesn't work that way. Pick a side, or forever remain a centrist moron with no real ideals. The idea of centrism sells...after election.