I'd like to know if this Afraisaidi guy also thinks it's "possible" to have fun or be efficient gathering on foot in Dread Wastes.

If so, the first patch cycle is going to suck like a starving baby.

Either give us lower mob density than we've had all through MoP, or give us a safe place to AFK instead of having to go back to town if we can't freaking fly OR PAUSE THE GAME. Or maybe give us a damn -nomonsters swtich so we can actually EXPLORE and see stuff instead of seeing nothing but demons humping our faces.

I mean, if they want us to actually explore while we're leveling, rather than skipping all that garbage through dungeons, and then exploring when we have decent enough gear where the mobs are merely irritating rather than maddening.

Which is pretty much what I've been doing with this horrible MoP BS until I can fly (Where are our tomes of flying?!), and my garrison can even wait until I can goddamn well fly to thing.

That's if their mob density philosophy from MoP sticks. Not all of us thinks grinding mobs to get from A to B is fun, because some of us are over 15.

Hey, Blizz. This is the only game I play where I can fly. I can't even fly in Spore if I put wings on my creature. Why do you want to be like everyone else? I liked how your game was different - you offered me the incentive of flying if I stuck it out mucking through on the ground long enough. At least give us our tome of flying, guys.

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Originally Posted by DarthMonk79

It doesn't matter if there's a argument or not about whether flying should or shouldn't be in game. Its their design, they want to get rid of it so be it. It will not effect me in any way. OHHHH, it takes me longer to get somewhere. OHHHHH, I might have to kill things I shouldn't have to kill. All I'm reading is whine whine whine, I want want want. Gimme gimme gimme. My god, flying time using FP's is already way quicker than it used to be and there's a ton of FP's out there so you don't have to fly from one end of the zone to another. You are supposed to be immersed in a world, going around helping people and killing threats, not flying around above everything then every once in a while drop down and kill the one thing you need. Yes, flying is great. It is fun and awesome. I just don't care if I have it or not. Why don't I care? Plain and simple, from 1 to 60 I have to level on the ground. First on foot, then slow mount, then faster mount. Guess what, I have just as much fun leveling and exploring that way as I do being able to fly around, if anything flying takes any challenge or excitement out of it making it more of a just hop around from quest to quest or kill to kill.

They introduced it. Many of us like it.

YOU might think it's no good to hop from quest to quest. I do not like spending an hour on ONE quest because I had to wade through a zillion useless mobs that were just there to be in my way, so I could go get one stupid item in the back of a tent, or go talk to some idiot; then, as soon as I'm done that - wow, look, the zillion mobs just respawned. When things move that slow, I start to lose story cohesion. I understood what was going on better as a max level character, doing quests on flying mounts and being ignored by low level mobs.

This was the absolute WORST thing about leveling alts in MoP - even after the first go-through, you were condenmed to that crap on your alts, like some sort of Dark Tower-style repeating punishment for playing.

Hey, folks whined louder about "pandas", and Asian architecture with bright colours. I can't even see past the hellish crowds of mobs to worry about that stuff.

People who don't like flying have always had the option to simply not train it (and you don't need to do deepholm or the tiller's quests any more.) - just like anti-abortion advocates have the right to refrain from abortion if they don't like it. But, people are always trying to take away things other people like that they don't, RIGHT?

I can see why they have no AP this year. Not because of the hassle on the forums last time, but because they don't want people like me seeing what's up before release - if it's like Dread Wastes with Demons, there's no way I'd buy it. At least, not until the next expansion. Maybe.

Either give us lower mob density than we've had all through MoP, or give us a safe place to AFK instead of having to go back to town if we can't freaking fly OR PAUSE THE GAME. Or maybe give us a damn -nomonsters swtich so we can actually EXPLORE and see stuff instead of seeing nothing but demons humping our faces.- - - Updated - - -

And, hey, how hypocritical - we're not to skip over "content" (ie, aimless random mobs) with our flying mount, but oh, paid boost to 90 is a-ok. Even for a brand new player who never saw the Vanilla-MoP content. But they wouldn't let us skip over MoP content on our alts, after we'd suffered on the ground once already. Because our alts just had to see the content, damnit, not just our mains.

Also, they need to quit tuning brand new areas to heroic raiding gear. Anyone else here enter Hyjal for the first time in nothing but Wrath Heroic gear, or lower? Sucked, didn't it? And we could fly then.

Yes, I play other games. Those games do not include the growth of a character over 9+ years. Gaining an ability, then having it taken away, is not a logical design.

Have you played Mega Man? Or Mario? Or Zelda? All of those games give you tools and then take them away in sequels to be replaced by new tools. If Blizzard thinks flying was a mistake and wants to mitigate that mistake that's their prerogative. Complaining about it is like complaining that you don't get a Tanooki suit in Mario 64 to just fly over every level. It's a freaking video game.

I'd like to know if this Afraisaidi guy also thinks it's "possible" to have fun or be efficient gathering on foot in Dread Wastes.

If so, the first patch cycle is going to suck like a starving baby.

Either give us lower mob density than we've had all through MoP, or give us a safe place to AFK instead of having to go back to town if we can't freaking fly OR PAUSE THE GAME. Or maybe give us a damn -nomonsters swtich so we can actually EXPLORE and see stuff instead of seeing nothing but demons humping our faces.

I mean, if they want us to actually explore while we're leveling, rather than skipping all that garbage through dungeons, and then exploring when we have decent enough gear where the mobs are merely irritating rather than maddening.

Which is pretty much what I've been doing with this horrible MoP BS until I can fly (Where are our tomes of flying?!), and my garrison can even wait until I can goddamn well fly to thing.

That's if their mob density philosophy from MoP sticks. Not all of us thinks grinding mobs to get from A to B is fun, because some of us are over 15.

Hey, Blizz. This is the only game I play where I can fly. I can't even fly in Spore if I put wings on my creature. Why do you want to be like everyone else? I liked how your game was different - you offered me the incentive of flying if I stuck it out mucking through on the ground long enough. At least give us our tome of flying, guys.

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They introduced it. Many of us like it.

YOU might think it's no good to hop from quest to quest. I do not like spending an hour on ONE quest because I had to wade through a zillion useless mobs that were just there to be in my way, so I could go get one stupid item in the back of a tent, or go talk to some idiot; then, as soon as I'm done that - wow, look, the zillion mobs just respawned. When things move that slow, I start to lose story cohesion. I understood what was going on better as a max level character, doing quests on flying mounts and being ignored by low level mobs.

This was the absolute WORST thing about leveling alts in MoP - even after the first go-through, you were condenmed to that crap on your alts, like some sort of Dark Tower-style repeating punishment for playing.

Hey, folks whined louder about "pandas", and Asian architecture with bright colours. I can't even see past the hellish crowds of mobs to worry about that stuff.

People who don't like flying have always had the option to simply not train it (and you don't need to do deepholm or the tiller's quests any more.) - just like anti-abortion advocates have the right to refrain from abortion if they don't like it. But, people are always trying to take away things other people like that they don't, RIGHT?

I can see why they have no AP this year. Not because of the hassle on the forums last time, but because they don't want people like me seeing what's up before release - if it's like Dread Wastes with Demons, there's no way I'd buy it. At least, not until the next expansion. Maybe.

Either give us lower mob density than we've had all through MoP, or give us a safe place to AFK instead of having to go back to town if we can't freaking fly OR PAUSE THE GAME. Or maybe give us a damn -nomonsters swtich so we can actually EXPLORE and see stuff instead of seeing nothing but demons humping our faces.- - - Updated - - -

And, hey, how hypocritical - we're not to skip over "content" (ie, aimless random mobs) with our flying mount, but oh, paid boost to 90 is a-ok. Even for a brand new player who never saw the Vanilla-MoP content. But they wouldn't let us skip over MoP content on our alts, after we'd suffered on the ground once already. Because our alts just had to see the content, damnit, not just our mains.

Also, they need to quit tuning brand new areas to heroic raiding gear. Anyone else here enter Hyjal for the first time in nothing but Wrath Heroic gear, or lower? Sucked, didn't it? And we could fly then.

Everything in this post just screams that you're spoiled by how safe flying mounts makes you feel.
Sure, I like flying mounts allowing you to reach previously unreachable places, but this bullshit about how fighting mobs (boo-hoo) is nothing but artificial extension of content is.. just odd.

-nomonster switch
You're playing the wrong goddamn genre mate.

Point remains though. Removing flight improves our experience even tho we might not realize it.
Sorry, but if I were allowed to fly right away in Draenor I'd have a less immersive experience. Yeah I know, the word immersion has turned into some stereotype, but that's how it is. You flying over everything in a new continent would make the content less immersive and fun. It's kinda sad how we value convenience and safety over compelling gameplay.

People who shout about "choice" can't factor reality it seems.

Players ask for everything to be faster, easier and completely optional and then when they get bored they can't understand why.

Everything in this post just screams that you're spoiled by how safe flying mounts makes you feel.
Sure, I like flying mounts allowing you to reach previously unreachable places, but this bullshit about how fighting mobs (boo-hoo) is nothing but artificial extension of content is.. just odd.

-nomonster switch
You're playing the wrong goddamn genre mate.

Point remains though. Removing flight improves our experience even tho we might not realize it.
Sorry, but if I were allowed to fly right away in Draenor I'd have a less immersive experience. Yeah I know, the word immersion has turned into some stereotype, but that's how it is. You flying over everything in a new continent would make the content less immersive and fun. It's kinda sad how we value convenience and safety over compelling gameplay.

People who shout about "choice" can't factor reality it seems.

You're acting like people want to fly right away when they get to Draenor, maybe some people do but the vast majority of people who are complaining are fine with not having flying during leveling which makes almost all arguments against flying completly irrelevant, it was fine the way they did it in MoP.

no flying is not the end of the world. Draenor is supposed to be the land of Ogres and Giant Gronn, you should not just be able to fly over them with absolutely no danger whatsoever. I really dont think lv100 should be any different, the only thing they should change is how stupid the flight paths are going to places way out of reach.

Hah, people were like "yey, instant lvl90 with a press of a button" and I bet they were hoping to see flying replaced with instant teleports, where you just open map and click where you want to be and "woosh" - you are there. No need to spend those minutes on a flying mount, much more convenient. Maybe even an "auto-grind" feature that turns your character to a bot that gathers valuables automatically while you are watching tv. Or even better, just let blizzard mail them to you, that would be easier. Maybe soon the game will play the character for you entirely, finishing raids so you only need to watch it like it was some live feed. I mean it's a lot of work to read what you are supposed to do and then learn to do it. Why not just make everything happen, sounds fun and easy.

I fell in love with WoW before there was flying. I don't see any problem with seeing how WoD goes without flying.

Its funny, I think about the old content and how inconvenient it was. The long instances , everyone had to hoof it to the front door, no LFG, problematic spawns between you and your resource node, etc etc. And yet that was the phase of the game where I forged most of the relationships that made this the only video game that I've ever played for longer than about a year. The teamwork required to overcome demanding content, and sometimes just the dead spaces where you chat and get to know people because you're waiting for the healer to fly to you, that contributed to the sense of community. Five hour LBRS runs just to advance one person along the Onyxia quest chain. It's paradoxical, but that both sucked and is one of my fondest memories of the game.

Maybe the playerbase has changed, maybe I've changed, maybe it's fruitless and nostalgic, all this is possible. Maybe they'll add flying later, either mid expac or maybe next expac. Maybe it'll go well, maybe it won't. But it seems silly to suggest that the only reason people have continued to play this game is because of flying mounts, when it is a game that became the King of the MMORPG Hill back before you could fly.

It seems like a reasonable thing to try, I'm all for it. No doubt it'll lose them some subs, but the gamble is that it will encourage the kinds of relationships that made the game so strong to begin with. I'm curious to see how it turns out, and psyched to see the new content.