I felt bad for TD as soon as Jiji disconnected. I knew then that they would be seen poorly in the community no matter if they won or lost. The Twitch.tv chat showed that to me throughout Game 1. After every fight it was either scumbag TD or TD are noobs.

If TD managed to win it would be tainted as a 4v5 and they would be known as scumbags for ragging on the underleveled Ahri and taking a free baron. If TD lost, then they are noobs for losing a 4v5.

The 4v5 also wasn't as big of an advantage as it was made out to be: Jungle was still taking mid farm, and had a pretty easy time ganking afterwards. We also didn't really know that Ahri was d/ced until a little later, and didn't press any advantage.

I just think we need more practice. CLG is a great team and they've been playing a lot recently, and outmatched us badly today.

It was pretty apparent that the casters forgot about the delay that was added to the other team seeing DC's, but they made some good points about the stakes being high enough that it only makes sense to press any advantage.

I don't think today's matches came down to a matter of skill so much as teamwork and the fact that CLG was just on fire. I feel like a little bit of a cool down between matches would have been really smart, just for the sake of morale evening. You could tell that CLG was really fired up over how they were performing despite being one short, and you guys seemed a little demoralized by the same, and I think that spirit carried through to game two, although you'd know better than I would.

They had a really good couple of games, but you guys still played well.

Not sure what you mean, I watched the game and as soon as he dced your jungle took wolves and then was waiting for blue to spawn. You tried diving bot 4v3 like 2-3 times they just outplayed it, pretty sure you tried to take every advantage you could. Also not hating cause CLG is a really good team and has been around forever it could of happened to any team.

What I meant was that we didn't press any advantage immediately. There was no way to tell that she was d/ced until we realized Nocturne was covering middle for a while. We basically just played the game as normal, and whether or not we 'pressed the advantage' is merely a matter of perspective.

I tend to disagree , its like any community you can account for the entire community, it has improved over the months with riot cracking down on BS in games and it will take awhile for a full effect but it will happen.

This exactly. When i watch something on Twitch.tv, the first thing i do is disabling the chat. There is nothing constructive in it and even if there is something it will be flooded away by spam in seconds.

This actually reflects a pretty common phenomenon in other sports, especially 1v1 sports: it's always hardest to play against an injured opponent, for the same reasons that you listed. You either look like a scumbag for not going easy on them, or you look like a loser if you lose.

That is how it is with every team the community wants to hate on at the time. TSM, Curse, CLG, TD, anyone. The minute a team makes a poor play the chat explodes in "insert player to hate on here". They did that in game one of TSM if regi died it was "regi sucksballs" but when TSM one that game everyone was saying "TSM to good".

I agree, I was watching a game and the TheOddOne came and ganked mid, Reginald missed two Kennen Shurikens in a row. Of course the next 2 minutes of chat was just people spamming about how bad Regi is.

Actually Crumbzz said it very well about how there is money on the line and when you talk about league of legends as a game, for them it's pretty much their job/life. So in a 4v5 situation you still try to win the game. The thing is, there are ways going about it. I remember very well when Mouz killed AL's dced support in a very obvious manner and then went on to push mid as 5. That wasn't the case with TD, i'm pretty sure.

Jiji was really out of his game for a good while, for whatever reason. You could say that Hotshot, saint, etc. were always #1 in their role, if you wanted, and that'd be a subjective call. For Jiji, there was a long period of time where he was performing really poorly so it's not really reasonable to make that argument.

Well, when it comes to NA, almost every AP player has been in a slump. Either they themselves, or their team as a whole.

Dignitas had a long slump.

I would say Regi is in a slump.

EG was in a slight slump for a while before their current lineup.

Though, that "always" was meant to be the amplifier of "in my opinion," so...That's mainly because Jiji was in a slump at a time when Dignitas was also Sorta down and there weren't too many tournaments. Now that they've picked back up, Jiji has been the #1 AP in each tournament when it comes to K/D/A in flat numbers and team synergy / utility in many peoples' opinions.

EG being in a slump is different than Salce being in a slump. I agree with the rest of your comment, but I believe that Salce has consistently performed well as an individual, regardless of his situation or setting (subbing for CLG or playing with EG, offline/online events.)

Likewise, I say that Dignitas does not equate to Scarra being in a slump. Scarra has always performed amazingly despite his team not performing well for whatever reason. When either of the four aforementioned AP players are on fire, it spells the end for their opponents. Though I find the ranking to be:

Jiji >/= Salce >/= Scarra >/= Regi.

They're all potentially #1 in what they bring to their teams, I'll just admit to Jiji bias when it comes to seeing him in action, especially at Hannover. Regi seems the scariest and most potent because dat aggression, and Salce and Scarra both just shut everything down in an almost machine-like fashion. Jiji just seems to secure the most wins when he wins his lane.

Key word there is seems. The actual numbers of such for season two could make me a liar and I'll admit it. n.n;

Haha, I agree. A large part of Regi's aggression is due to the fact that OddOne camps his lane, and tries to get Regi fed early. Whereas Dan formerly farmed the jungle for a long time, and kind of tried to be in the right place at the right time. I'm not too familiar with I Will Dominate's jungling style, but it's definitely not as mid-lane centric as TSM's style. Of course this all comes back down to the fact that LoL is a team-based game, rather than a who is better one v one.

Scarra has lost his team tournaments due to his tendency to overextend early, and the enemy just focuses on mid and ganks him with ease. And there is so much variability, the ranking seems pretty arbitrary.

I am not all that familiar with Unstoppable, but each and every player on EG is now a consistent performer. That's why I think they're currently among the top few teams. While Dignitas is probably better when they're firing on all cylinders, EG is good all the time. This can probably be attributed to differences in play style. Dig has a pretty aggressive overall style. EG is incredibly passive in lane but they team fight SOOOO well. This is both due to champion repertoire and mechanical ability.

While I think jiji has played really good lately, i'd still probably put Scarra above him who has played just as good but has been much more consistent, his "slump" was pretty much IPL4 where he didn't perform up to par.

After that it's a close tie between jiji & salce but jiji has just had the results lately

Yes, but is dignitas slump = scarra slump? Just like you said EG slump, Salce still did really well. Even Dyrus said something about feeling bad that they were playing so bad that Salce had to carry them every single game

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IEM NY (Dignitas didn't make it past group and this is where they had their biggest slump):

Like I said in an earlier post, I know Scarra did very well even in their slump, same with Salce. EG's worst slump to me was just before Dan Dinh left. They were doing very poorly in tourneys and scrims, Dan and Westrice were arguing, everybody else didn't want to communicate...

But Salce (and Nhat) carried them out of a lot of games. Scarra probably could have done the same, but failed to do so in NY. Again, not saying Scarra really ever had a slump, but his team's slump affected him more than EG's affected Salce, IMO.

I agree with you but I feel like people always overlook Curse's AP Mid.. Nyjacky. I feel that Nyjacky's probably one of the best AP's in NA and is soooo underestimated.. His playstyle is sort of like Reginald and how he's really aggresive. But I think Best AP's in NA are like this: Jiji,Salce,Scarra,Nyjacky and then Reginald.

Fed Graves, who was doing way more damage than his counterpart, Corki. They had very little armor, aside from Ryze, which let Graves + Noct (+ Kennen I guess) crush them. Then once they built armor, Graves had LW while Corki didn't (so Noct could tank him easier) You can see how scared TD was when they caught Doublelift and rushed down mid when they should've tried to take bot after mid inhibitor.

TD was in a pretty bad spot, if they took too much advantage people would harass them to shit because they are the lesser known team but since they didn't SV got alot of farmed and made bigger players than TD did. That being said, one of the things CLG does best is stomp lower level teams.

Pfff, if people dc, and there are no rules to pause or stop the game, dont fucking give them a break. Take the advantage, and if people have a rpoblem witht hat, then change the goddamn rules. We should'nt burden the teams with fear of guilt trips and bullshit. Play to win, that's the team's job, making the event fun is up to the organizers.

And some people would still insist that they are scumbags for taking the advantage and winning, or bad players if not taking the advantage and losing a 4v5. Lose-lose situation for them and this is the reason why they should have been playing on the tournament realm.

well its what happens when Clg one of the longest ruining teams out there face a team like TD. TD is just starting and i am sure they will get better from here its just what happens when you are new. I am actually excited for the LoL scene with all this promising up and coming teams that keep all this tournaments with a healthy attendance.

I was really impressed that even though Jiji was underleveled when he reconnected that he still was a major force in the fights. He played ahri really well and just ulted to kite around the edges of the fight and hit some good charms and even pick up some kills.

Idk if it was good sportsmanship that Olaf didn't try to steal blue and red during the d/c or he just wasn't thinking. But anyways Jiji making the big plays whenever he was actually in the game. Beside Doublelift getting caught everyone play flawlessly, fantastic game.

One other notable derp was Hotshot "baiting" Irelia into a Kennen ultimate that she just killed him through while he made no attempt to kite her autos until it was too late. It was a really silly move.

Other than that and wtfdoublelift, no blunders though. I was impressed.

ZionSpartan kept dying needlessly in both games which really dragged down TD. I don't think they'd be pleased with winning a 4v5 either, but it's hard to tell around here since everyone seems to be either a CLG or TSM fan.

CLG does good against teams that are overly aggressive and don't get anything for it. They wait for the enemy team to make mistakes and generally don't make plays of their own.

Really good match imo. I think it was probably embarrassing for TD to lose a 4v5, but really great plays by everyone on CLG, and Chauster/SV were probably the MVPs of the team with all the great calls they made out :D

It was not a 4v5. It was like 4.7v5. When CLG were disqualified for some event months ago because a player went to sleep and they got someone else to play on his account, they said they should have just played it 4v5 and they'd most likely have still won. I don't think people realise how 4v5 is not as huge an advantage as it seems. It's probably the equivalent of -400 Elo or so. I'd expect most of the lesser teams to lose 4v5 against a top team because they have so much more experience at competitive play.

Indeed, a 4 v 5 however is something completely different, TDs play was surprisingly sketchy. What we saw yesterday was nothing like the Mono we saw at IPL4. Not to rain on CLG's parade though, CLG was playing superb.