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I just can't back a man who values the illusion of security over actual liberty. I'll eat all the popcorn I can get my hands on watching him shake up the GOP, but I can't support him when he says shit like this.

Nice to see some people with this attitude here. Most people on Voat will justify anything trump does. He'll call for pedophilia to be legal and people here will justify it by saying "Well, kids mature a lot younger these days"

That would certainly slam the brakes on the Trump train for me, but it's probably more of a commentary on the sad state of politics these days that I'm willing to overlook this. At least I can tell myself the NSA never really stopped, anyway.

viable candidates? none of them. The system has a vested interest in keeping them from reaching viability. We're stuck with a choice of "in what fashion do we want to be injured" and "what TYPE of freedom do we most want to preserve?"

Man, the more I think about it, the more I feel like I'm in one of those SAW movies.

What I think is that Trump is reasonable. He's running for office now, so he's not going into detail. If actually in office, when presented with these questions, I suspect he'd frame it in the same way you do. Trump is no idiot, and he knows the arguments for and against. He knows that the Bush/Cheney admin set up the system to bypass and ignore the 4th amendment and he knows that the Obama administration has failed to address that. It's consistent with his other positions in that he's PUSHING FOR A CONVERSATION.

When Bush put these things into place IT WAS A SECRET. Future/other politicos proceeded to not discuss it, either. Trump is asking the public to have the conversation. If everyone stands up and says, "No, now that you mention it, we'd rather not have this" he's going to go "OK, you had the choice and you made it, don't complain if you get blasted by a bomber."

This is what needs to be noticed and appreciated - Trump is continually blowing the doors off issues that are deliberately swept under the rug by the political class.

It is entirely possible to have a minimalist government that punishes people for killing each other and stealing from each other, defends the nation's borders and even provides some help for people who are struggling, without stepping on people's rights and freedom. I know. I remember living in a pre war-on-terror America that was an awful lot like that.

Of course he does. This is just part of his vision for a total surveillance state. So many Trump supporters are so busy hating on Mexicans, Muslims, etc. that aren't paying any attention to the man's message.

If he doesn't make the debate I'll be really sad. His point in the last one about being the only true conservative was so great. He just brings such a balance to the table. You've got Trump, Carson, Cruz, Paul, and 13 copies of Jeb! running.

It's politics. They already have dirt on you, or if not they'll just accuse you of picking up male prostitutes in airport bathrooms. It's probably more about being able to find reasons to arrest anyone they want. The government has no power over you until they say something you do is illegal.

I'm glad someone else knows about this court. My thoughts immediately went to this. When you have that much power readily available, obviously you're going to make sure that that "court" is packed full of yes-men.

no, actually, because that court already exists. the suggestion/hint that he supports a court review is what is important. Does Trump's other rhetoric square with the idea that he'd support a 4th-amendment bypassing court? It does not.

The only reason the existing 'courts' do that is because they were setup by the Bush/Cheney admin to do exactly that. They're intended to bypass 4th amendment limits and protections. Any actual court designed for this purpose would not do so. it's absolutely criminal, the way in which the system was set-up. Alberto Gonzales should be hanged.