The New Virginia Republican Jobs Plan

By Loudoun Insider

Revised mandatory pre-abortion ultrasound bill passes the Virginia Senate. Loudoun Senators who voted for it can’t be found, those that voted against it speak out in that LTM article. Your abortion-obsessed state legislature at work, folks! How many jobs might this create? Here’s a helpful advertisement to help some of you enter an expanding and exciting field that will certainly have great “opportunities for growth” as a result of this brilliant lawmaking. Someone sent this image to me this morning that came to them in a spam email. What great timing.

The boondoggle that is the 2012 Legislative Session continues to be the gift that keeps on giving. Surely, this will give comedians material for the next month or so and continue to keep Virginia the laughing stock of the Nation. I guess this is the VA GOP’s failed attempt to create more jobs and improve our economy.

Really. CC? You want to put the largest provider of pap smears and breast exams out of business? You want to put the largest provider of health care to poor women out of business? You want to put one of the largest providers of excellent pre-natal care for women who want to stay pregnant out of business?

In many communities around the country, Planned Parenthood is the _only_ provider of health care services. You want low or no-cost comprehensive health care? Planned Parenthood provides it.

Planned Parenthood _saves_ children’s lives by being a provider of pre-natal care to folks who can’t otherwise afford it. Planned Parenthood _saves_ women’s lives by catching cancers early. Planned Parenthood is also one of the largest referrers for adoption services, because they provide help for every choice a women might make.

Planned Parenthood also prevents millions of abortions annually by being a provider of low or no-cost birth control (including condoms, diaphrams, birth control pills, birth control shots, and IUDs).

Many Planned Parenthoods do not provide abortions, but they do refer for them.

CC, putting Planned Parenthood out of business will increase the number of people who get abortions, and will increase the number of wanted pregnancies that end in miscarriage or maternal death. I wonder, is that your goal?

CC, a helpful graphic about what Planned Parenthood does. They provided 11.4 million individual services in 2009. Three percent of their services given were abortions, which means that they provided 11.058 million health services that had nothing to do with abortion.

BTW, some of their health services are provided to men. Including cancer screenings.

So if you’re looking to save lives, you should really be supporting Planned Parenthood.

Liz, so we should be ok with groups that deny human and civil rights 3 percent of the time? Can we apply that rule of thumb everywhere? As you know, Stalin did a lot of good things too. Perhaps he only violated human rights 3 percent of the things he did. Or maybe Ghadafi? He created hospitals and schools. He only killed his people and blew up airplanes 3 percent of the time.

If you violate human rights, as planned parenthood does, then it does not excuse them that they do good things too. All the bad groups and people do good things too.

I am in favor of only supporting those groups that save lives, not kill them. Planned parenthood kills human entities three percent of the time. These are lawful killings right now, but they should not be.

I used to like to say that I was both pro-life and pro-choice, but this whole debate has made me rethink what the label “pro-life” means. Yes, I think abortion is a bad thing and something to be avoided, but not at all costs. I’ve always felt, at the end of the day, the decision to terminate an abortion is an intensely personal one – one with which the government should not interfere. As we’ve also seen, the government is ill-equipped to dictate the boundaries of that discretion.

Forced ultrasounds and the ridiculous, worthless definition of “person” proves my point. If that is what pro-life means, then the actions of the GA have forced me to renounce any claim to being “pro life,” certainly as far as it is defined in this state.

I am against the ultrasounds. But a human exists at conception. It is only a question of whether that particular human is afforded any rights. We deny rights all the time. We should be honest that is what we are doing here. Denying human rights to a particular form of individual human.

It may make people uncomfortable to face the idea that they are denying rights, but that is what it is. I am ok with denying rights to carrots. I am not ok with denying human rights to any kind of human. That extends to murderers where I am against the death penalty.

“We deny rights all the time. We should be honest that is what we are doing here. Denying human rights to a particular form of individual human.”

Yes, we deny rights to non-living humans all the time. For example, a fetus is not considered a US Citizen at conception but at birth. So, yes, we SHOULD be honest as to what we are doing. We are putting the rights of a fully-living human over the perceived rights of a non-living human. Until you, somehow, legally recategorize the fetus as being fully human at conception, this is as it SHOULD be.

I did not say human being. You would argue the word being. You are right that a corpse is also a human entity. It is one that is impossible to kill, so does not need protection of that sort. It does have other rights, though.

Doesn’t being human by definition include breathing air? I think it probably does.

All this anti-abortion energy is just pure interference of religion in government. I know Rick Santorum is so stupid he doesn’t understand the difference between religion in the public sphere and religion in government, but the rest of you don’t claim that excuse, or do you.

Women who are adults don’t need the government inserted between them and their bodies (or their doctors for that matter) much less inside their vaginas. Everyone here is always griping about the government being up their *ss but how would the fellas like it if it was literally true, huh.

But if this is the picture of the Republican party that VA Republicans want spread across the state and the country, fine and dandy. Olympia Snowe has it right, this has all gone toxic.

I’ve consistently argued that the only thing this bill is going to do is have women lying to health care providers in order to get the early sonogram. And I’m talking about women who want to keep their babies. Women without healthcare, insurance companies that don’t deem this a “necessary” procedure, doctors who don’t have sonogram machines in their office, and must sent women elsewhere, which, in some rural areas have often meant not having access to their particular insurance plan….

The bottom line is that right now, there are thousands of women every year who lie to emergency room doctors claiming they think they are miscarrying in order to get the early test. Women who WANT TO KEEP THEIR CHILDREN and get them good prenatal care. So you close down places like Planned Parenthood, and you have even FEWER places where women who WANT TO KEEP THEIR BABIES can get tests like these.

So what is it? Is this about helping women have healthy pregnancies and keep their children or is it just about harrassing them? It would help me out if we made it easier for ALL expectant mothers to get this ultrasound, because the way it’s set up now, those doing the “right” think (ie, keeping their baby) are the only ones being punished. But let’s keep thinking that we’re helping women this week, shall we?

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