Peter Braun, who carried out the tests at the Berlin’s Alab Laboratory, said: “For such carcinogenic substances it is important they are kept as far away as possible from the human environment….”

Andreas Kirchner, of the Federation of German Engineers, said: “Electrical smog develops around these lamps.

This is apart from the fact that CFL bulbs don’t dim well and are extremely annoying to try and read by – prime headache material. My advice is go to the Dollar Store, early and often, and buy normal light bulbs until they are all gone. That’s the short term plan. The long term plan has to do more with overthrowing the government than shopping.

The cancer part is good. It will help reduce the total population. The ‘experts’ like Algore have spoken. Let it be written, let it be done.

Written by ACTivist about 6 years ago.

I’m hoarding Edison’s original work by the cases. Will use it in my new house also. If they don’t come back into manufacture, I should have a supply to last me till I’m 93. Even the plants don’t like the curly-que bulbs. Like they say: “You can’t fool Mother Nature”.

Written by BlackOut about 6 years ago.

Testa had the answer.

BTW, this ridiculous lightbulb thing even goes to flashlights.

Written by squiddy about 6 years ago.

Who didn’t see this coming?

I can’t wait to find out the recycling rate of these blasted things – I’ll bet it’s on the order of 10% – I can envision future EPA “Superfund” cleanups of landfills contaminating local groundwater with mercury.

Speaking of hypocrisy and talking out of both sides of their mouths, I had to laugh at the administration trying to claim credit for Ford’s quarterly profit (which I thought were evil?) because of how they worked with the auto companies to increase CAFE standards – but if next year’s CAFE standards has reduced fuel consumption, why is the price of gas going up?

Written by Eric the 1/2 troll about 6 years ago.

“But the German scientists claimed that several carcinogenic chemicals and toxins were released when the environmentally-friendly compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) were switched on, including phenol, naphthalene and styrene.”

Can any of you critical thinkers out there talk a bit about the porcess supposedly at work here? Maybe someone can provide a link to an actual scientific study that reaches this conclusion? I simply can not find any attached to all the conserviative blogs citing this report today…

“They are, it turns out, carcinogenic from the moment you turn them on:”

Quotable Joe, that is a pretty definitive statement from someone who doubts all the scientific studies that conclude a man-made cause of global warming – so much for skepticism. Have you perhaps entered the matrix?

Eric, to paraphrase what I told Lovisa in the other thread, the burden of proof is totally on those who made us do away with the light bulbs that have worked wonderfully and safely for the past 100 years. It will be another post for another day, but these CFL bulbs also only last a fraction as long as incandescent – so they are not only poisonous but also less energy efficient and load up our landfills faster. Brilliant all the way around, almost as brilliant as destroying all those functional automobiles.

Eric, I see someone still believes that there is man-made global warming. The greater part of the population put that to bed a couple of years ago. If you peruse my site, you’ll find a piece that I did on the 900 Scientist/PHD’s who have denounced the man-made part.
It is a natural cycle…and occurs over massive cycles…The MWP (Medieval Warming Period) didn’t have SUV’s or light bulbs…yet it probably exceeded or average temperatures of today.

We didn’t magicaly find a cure for global warming in 1750… the LIA (Little Ice Age) was a normal period in the cooling of the globe, with absolutely no man-made input.

Loudoun Insider: “These CFLs are a nightmare, and yet another example of environmentalism run amok.”

Just wait a few years until all those CFLs start piling up in landfills. We already have our eye on one landfill that’s all put certain to leach “green” mercury into a very sensitive river. It reminds one of MTBEs, the “green” gas additive that was supposed to save the environment, but is now poisoning California’s groundwater.

“It reminds one of MTBEs, the “green” gas additive that was supposed to save the environment, but is now poisoning California’s groundwater.”

Hmmmm…poison… now THERE is a hyperbolic word. Of course, the reason MTBE was introduced into gasoline was as an octane booster to replace tetraethyl lead. Perhaps we should have just kept spewing the REAL poison lead, right Donny? Furthermore, the oil companies SELECTED MTBE as their oxygenate of choice because it was the cheapest alternative out there. They knew full well that their tanks were leaking and how MTBE would react in the environment but chose to use it none the less. Blame the oil companies if you want someone to blame.

Written by Eric the 1/2 troll about 6 years ago.

“Eric, I see someone still believes that there is man-made global warming.”

Mnk, I see you think this is an of BELIEFS – I am not surprised. How is that matrix you are in?

Written by Eric the 1/2 troll about 6 years ago.

I see no one can offer any information on the actual process that supposedly creates naphthalene out of thin air….maybe we can manufacture diesel just by outfitting refineries with CFLs…that should help gas prices, eh?

I heard tell that there’s a new contraption being used out in California to suck electricity out of the air to power your home with. Why don’t you purchase one and tell us how well it works. Since you readily settle on anything you’re told without an awful lot of proof….like AGW, you are probably the perfect guniea pig….will await your report.

Written by Eric the 1/2 troll about 6 years ago.

I see you have a strong technical handle on the CFLs create napthalene process, Monk.

“Since you readily settle on anything you’re told without an awful lot of proof….”

This statement puts you in strong running for the Ironic Post of the Year award, y’know. I think I will start calling you Cypher from now on…

Written by lighthouse about 6 years ago.

That’s just the start of it!

More on the health risks with CFLs, with case references and documentation…http://ceolas.net/#li18eax
not forgetting LEDs, also on the website, with research references:
Lead, arsenic and other toxic LED content, home breakage and disposal concerns

There’s an irony there somewhere,
banning simple safe known technology in favor of unknown and seemingly unsafe technology
- normally of course products are banned for being unsafe to use (like lead paint)…..

It is a “ban”:
Temporarily allowed (2016 EU, 2020 USA) and unpopular Halogen etc incandescents are themselves more complex and costly and with a different whiter light, for marginal savings, compared to the simple, cheap, popular regular incandescent types.

So we should at once get rid of almost all store and office lighting, since it’s primarily fluorescent and has been for decades, and throw away our LCD TVs and computer monitors (all backlit by CFLs or LEDs)? Are you serious?

Not one person here has actually had to manage a large building, or a campus, and buy its light bulbs, cost the labor to replace them when they fail, or figure the amount of cooling necessary to offset the heat they generate. That much is clear, because nobody who actually does this for a living would post nonsense about CFLs burning out faster than incandescents or not being cost-effective. I have. I have done the math, managed the budget, and seen the huge difference. Anyone who says “CFLs don’t save money and energy” has not.

As for hazmat considerations, the CFLs as a class are orders of magnitude less toxic than the standard tubes and HID lamps that light just about every public and commercial building in America. There’s more toxicity in the furniture and fabrics (formaldehyde, anybody?), appliances and TV sets in an average home than in a large garage filled with CFLs.

I find it annoying when people who should be worrying about real problems, and are interested enough in politics (I assume, since they’re here) to maybe do something useful, get side-tracked by idiotic disinformation. You’re worse than a bunch of liberal conspiracy nuts.