Please let's not have any more threads about how "world class" these two are.

BadgersAnonymous

11-3-09, 22:20

Please let's not have any more threads about how "world class" these two are.

Mourinho evidently is. Ibra evidently isn't.

Simo429

11-3-09, 22:21

Please let's not have any more threads about how "world class" these two are.

so if we lose on saturday and torres and stevie dont do alot rafa, and the two players wont be world class?

ForkHandles

11-3-09, 22:21

i hope inter score one then Mourinho scores a diving header off a Zlatan cross just to prove you wrong

BadgersAnonymous

11-3-09, 22:22

so if we lose on saturday and torres and stevie dont do alot rafa, and the two players wont be world class?

Torres and Stevie consistently do it against the very best. Ibra consistently flops.

GreenRed

11-3-09, 22:22

i hope inter score one then Mourinho scores a diving header off a Zlatan cross just to prove you wrong

you tool, mourinho cant come on, inter have used all their subs

Simo429

11-3-09, 22:24

Torres and Stevie consistently do it against the very best. Ibra consistently flops.

well man utd are the very best

cant remember seeing stevie have too many great performances against man utd over the years!

ForkHandles

11-3-09, 22:24

you tool, mourinho cant come on, inter have used all their subs

my bad :o

Rod19ers

11-3-09, 22:26

Don't think you can judge people off one game.

However prior to this game i've always thought that Ibrahimovic is too inconsistant to be world class and Rafa is better than Mourinho. And i'm sure that no matter what happens in this game now, my opinion won't change.

domino

11-3-09, 22:29

Zlatan is average.

Graggster

11-3-09, 22:30

Mourinho evidently is. Ibra evidently isn't.

Correct

Ayub

11-3-09, 22:38

Iba is one of the biggest pile of c**P I have seen - overated - period

SGBE

11-3-09, 22:40

Given their reputations, both are flops in the CL.

Before some smartart pipes up about Porto, I am now seeing it more and more as a fluke.

Graggster

11-3-09, 22:41

Given their reputations, both are flops in the CL.

Before some smartart pipes up about Porto, I am now seeing it more and more as a fluke.

He also won the uefa cup at porto.. so hardly a fluke

blaze31

11-3-09, 22:45

Iba is one of the biggest pile of c**P I have seen - overated - period

Zlatan is average.

totally agree again he had to 3 decent chances tonight flopped everyone! very average player, i wouldnt have him at liverpool thats for sure rather take voronin back

SGBE

11-3-09, 22:46

He also won the uefa cup at porto.. so hardly a fluke

So did Juande Ramos ... TWICE!

tegs

11-3-09, 22:48

ibras finishing was shocking tonight...

ORLY-YARLY

11-3-09, 22:54

Mourinho is a great manager. That is for sure.

But Ibrahimovic is average.

Wowbagger

11-3-09, 23:04

ibra is 27-28 i think. And he has terrible record against any top side he has faced till now.
You have to think that in a good team like inter, he would have got chances like he did today as well. He even got chances against us. And is it a coincidence that every time we think this is the big match he will perform , he does not come up with the goods. Someone else does it for inter or nobody else does. But he is not there most of the times when the awards are given for the positive moments of the match after a big match.

So why is that a snap judgement thinking he is not good enough to be counted in words top top players. His touch, control and passing is very good. But that makes no difference unless you make critical contributions which a central striker has to do.

If torres , gerrard, ronaldo do not score or play well on saturday then it means that they did not play that day.
But already torres and ronaldo have scored critical goals in big big matches against top teams like arsenal,chelsea, real, or liverpool, inter, chelsea and so on. And gerrard has too much credit in big matches (except manu) to be counted here.
Messi has already ripped real 2-3 times. And he usually is the best player on the pitch in any match he plays.

slimman

11-3-09, 23:17

So when it matters most in the knock-out stages Inter Milan have played 360 minutes of football over the last 2 seasons and scored Zero goals.

This is of course despite having 2 "world class" managers and "world class" players in that time. These are not one off games where maybe managers and players have an off day, it's just atrocious on all levels.

We can be overly critical of Rafa, but he and the players are not serving that up but yet some want Maureen because he's a "winner"......

Rod19ers

11-3-09, 23:44

He also won the uefa cup at porto.. so hardly a fluke

Rafa has won the UEFA Cup

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

11-3-09, 23:54

Given their reputations, both are flops in the CL.

Before some smartart pipes up about Porto, I am now seeing it more and more as a fluke.

Was Rafa's 2005 win a fluke?

sevenman

11-3-09, 23:58

Was Rafa's 2005 win a fluke?

Some would say yes, but they would be mad. You don't fluke a champions league win.

-Gola-

11-3-09, 23:58

mourinho's tactics were shocking tonight, especially in the second half

man utd are extremely strong down the middle, ferdinand and vidic are probably the best central pair in the world, yet time and time again his team went through the middle.

are they thick or what these managers. jose is clearly a fantastic manager and has proved it for many years now but he got it badly wrong tonight

awful stuff

then there's zlatan, what can you say he bottles it again on the main stage. poor performance

Andyfagan

12-3-09, 00:00

Ibrahimovich possesses an otherworldy amount of technique, but he's horribly inconsistent. If he decides he wants to play football, you can't defend against him. However, him deciding that doesn't seem to happen often enough for him to be given the "world class" tag.

MickeyLove

12-3-09, 00:00

Was Rafa's 2005 win a fluke?

I think it would be harsh to call Porto's win a fluke, but what I will say is that Rafa's subsequent record in the CL compared to Jose's record does lead me to believe that the 05 win was more down to the manager than the 04 win.....

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 00:06

I think it would be harsh to call Porto's win a fluke, but what I will say is that Rafa's subsequent record in the CL compared to Jose's record does lead me to believe that the 05 win was more down to the manager than the 04 win.....

Yeah i agree. My point is to try and discredit either win is ridiculous.

MickeyLove

12-3-09, 00:08

Yeah i agree. My point is to try and discredit either win is ridiculous.

Oh yeah totally agree with that.....

slimman

12-3-09, 00:13

I think it would be harsh to call Porto's win a fluke, but what I will say is that Rafa's subsequent record in the CL compared to Jose's record does lead me to believe that the 05 win was more down to the manager than the 04 win.....

What amazes me on all this is that because Rafa gets labelled as just a "European Cup manager" why haven't all these other managers been back to finals year upon year since it's so easy?

They have had far more ideal set-ups but yet there is always some excuse.....we always seem to play the out of form teams like Barcelona, Real, Juventus, Chelsea etc

gedzredz

12-3-09, 00:17

Great manager that Mourinho is, and great entertainment, I would hate to see him here.
His behaviour in pimping himself for the United job is a disgrace.
He was swaning around Old Trafford like he owned the place and called in to see Ferguson before the match tonight, how disloyal is this to Inter and their fans?

On Zlatan, he has undoubted skill, some of his control in the first half tonight was great, but he is a huge let down on every big occasion I've seen.

SGBE

12-3-09, 00:20

I think it would be harsh to call Porto's win a fluke, but what I will say is that Rafa's subsequent record in the CL compared to Jose's record does lead me to believe that the 05 win was more down to the manager than the 04 win.....

Agree ... my point is that Mourinho, since he left Porto, has not delivered on the European stage. Even Avram Grant bettered his record at Chelsea!

Rod19ers

12-3-09, 00:41

Agree ... my point is that Mourinho, since he left Porto, has not delivered on the European stage. Even Avram Grant bettered his record at Chelsea!

Only hasn't delivered thanks to us. We knocked him out, twice!

SGBE

12-3-09, 00:52

Only hasn't delivered thanks to us. We knocked him out, twice!

Yup ... we did send him packing to Italy ... not much has changed by the looks of it hehe

grenny158

12-3-09, 11:50

Mourinho is a good manager, you cannot doubt that - he knows his stuff and gets results .. not just because he has had money to work with either. If you call him a bad manager or overrated, you clearly know very little about football or are horribly biased.

Ibrahimovic is a good player, that's all he is and ever will be. He is very overrated by many - he never was or will be world class or anything near it. He is NOT a bad player either .. and I certainly would not want him anywhere near Liverpool - he is not good enough for us.

welshypool

12-3-09, 11:52

Ibrahimovic is a good player, that's all he is and ever will be. He is very overrated by many - he never was or will be world class or anything near it. He is NOT a bad player either .. and I certainly would not want him anywhere near Liverpool - he is not good enough for us.

Though I don't think last nights game confirms Ibra's status, it just underlines what I already thought and what some have stated many times, he ain't world class.
Agree Grenny, top player domestically but so was Kevin Phillips;)

Chickenliver

12-3-09, 11:56

well man utd are the very best

cant remember seeing stevie have too many great performances against man utd over the years!

Seriously pass me the sick bucket! :sleepy:

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 12:15

Agree Grenny, top player domestically but so was Kevin Phillips;)

No he wasn't. He had one really good season, a lot of average ones, and won nothing.

Ludicrous to compare his situation to Ibra.

Chris-Ninis

12-3-09, 13:25

There isn't a team in world football that he wouldn't start for. Stop it.

-Gola-

12-3-09, 13:30

There isn't a team in world football that he wouldn't start for. Stop it.

there is,

US

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:31

There isn't a team in world football that he wouldn't start for. Stop it.

He wouldn't start for the mancs, barca, or us with one up front.

18-carra-gold

12-3-09, 13:34

there would've been a small arguement to call 05 a fluke if it weren't for the fact that we have got to a final and semi final in the following 3 seasons

Chris-Ninis

12-3-09, 13:36

there is,

US

He wouldn't start for the mancs, barca, or us with one up front.

A guy like him would be accommodated in our team, he would play for the Mancs (better player than Tevez, Berbatov and Rooney) and as for Barca depending on who they are playing, but I'll give you that.

Thespian

12-3-09, 13:36

Given their reputations, both are flops in the CL.

Before some smartart pipes up about Porto, I am now seeing it more and more as a fluke.

It was a fluke.

In the Utd Porto game when Jose slid down the touchline Utd had a good goal disallowed while Porto's winner was way off side.

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:39

A guy like him would be accommodated in our team, he would play for the Mancs (better player than Tevez, Berbatov and Rooney) and as for Barca depending on who they are playing, but I'll give you that.

Tevez/Berb/Rooney>Ibra.

PassionInMyPants

12-3-09, 13:39

I think he'd make a great addition to our team:

Target man: yes

Skill/creativity: yes

Scores goals: Yes

Big game player: No

Do we need a big game player: No

Rips average to lower level teams apart: Yes

Do we need someone who can do the above: Yes

Dousty

12-3-09, 13:39

In the Utd Porto game when Jose slid down the touchline Utd had a good goal disallowed while Porto's winner was way off side.

I remember it well. What a great night :D

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:40

It was a fluke.

In the Utd Porto game when Jose slid down the touchline Utd had a good goal disallowed while Porto's winner was way off side.

What about our goal against Chelsea?

PassionInMyPants

12-3-09, 13:41

What about our goal against Chelsea?

^ Couldn't have imagined a finer goal...! ;)

Thespian

12-3-09, 13:42

What about our goal against Chelsea?

We were actually unlucky with that decision as we should have been playing against 10 men.

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:45

We were actually unlucky with that decision as we should have been playing against 10 men.

:D

MickeyLove

12-3-09, 13:48

What about our goal against Chelsea?

Goal, or a pen and a possible sending off?

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:51

Goal, or a pen and a possible sending off?

I'd take the goal, but it could have been neither. We got lucky there.

MickeyLove

12-3-09, 13:53

I'd take the goal, but it could have been neither. We got lucky there.

Not sure how we got lucky....It was clearly a pen if the goal had not been given....If the goal was denied, and the pen was denied we would have been extremely unlucky....

I would say we got what we deserved in that moment of play.....I think we rode our luck for the remaining 85 mins though.....:D

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 13:54

Not sure how we got lucky....It was clearly a pen if the goal had not been given....If the goal was denied, and the pen was denied we would have been extremely unlucky....

I would say we got what we deserved in that moment of play.....I think we rode our luck for the remaining 85 mins though.....:D

Yeah, i'm just not having it that Porto's win was any less deserved than ours.

Thespian

12-3-09, 14:08

Yeah, i'm just not having it that Porto's win was any less deserved than ours.

I didn't say Porto were undeserving.

But both Porto's and our CL wins were flukes.

However our success in the CL since then compared to Jose's failures suggests that the Special One isn't as special as Rafa Benitez.

Chris-Ninis

12-3-09, 14:16

Tevez/Berb/Rooney>Ibra.

That's your opinion, and I disagree wholeheartedly

welshypool

12-3-09, 14:16

No he wasn't. He had one really good season, a lot of average ones, and won nothing.

Ludicrous to compare his situation to Ibra.

I'm being ludicrous on purpose, the idea that people rate Ibra so so highly and are so convinced he's this great player is to me ludicrous.
Top player on his day, nowhere near the levels of other players mentioned in various threads and never will be, its clear

TheGhostOfDotTeeVeePast

12-3-09, 15:14

I didn't say Porto were undeserving.

But both Porto's and our CL wins were flukes.

However our success in the CL since then compared to Jose's failures suggests that the Special One isn't as special as Rafa Benitez.

...in europe.

I'm being ludicrous on purpose, the idea that people rate Ibra so so highly and are so convinced he's this great player is to me ludicrous.
Top player on his day, nowhere near the levels of other players mentioned in various threads and never will be, its clear

Well that is very different to saying he is Serie A's answer to Kevin Phillips. :)

WindyShepherdHenderson

1-3-13, 15:26

lol

MiraclesArePossible

1-3-13, 15:30

lol

You actually remembered what got said in a thread from four years ago. What the hell? :D

Seanosdelgardo

1-3-13, 15:32

Given their reputations, both are flops in the CL.

Before some smartart pipes up about Porto, I am now seeing it more and more as a fluke.

This is my favorite :D

--Craig--

1-3-13, 15:35

This thread is amazing.

Alon1

1-3-13, 15:35

This is ridiculous really.

welshypool

1-3-13, 15:35

:) Look at me being all emotive and grumpy on that thread.

Anyway, I was proven right, Ibra has done nothing since, not one eye catching hatrick at international level or ridiculous scissor kicks, was crap in Italy and is now crap for PSG.

In conclusion and for the sake of forum pride, I was absolutely right................

Seanosdelgardo

1-3-13, 15:49

:) Look at me being all emotive and grumpy on that thread.

Anyway, I was proven right, Ibra has done nothing since, not one eye catching hatrick at international level or ridiculous scissor kicks, was crap in Italy and is now crap for PSG.

In conclusion and for the sake of forum pride, I was absolutely right................

Welshypool (http://www.thoughttheater.com/WearingBlinders.jpg)

;)

welshypool

1-3-13, 16:08

Welshypool (http://www.thoughttheater.com/WearingBlinders.jpg)

;)

;)

Its ok though, now I'm a born again Ibrahistian

WindyShepherdHenderson

1-3-13, 16:09

;)

Its ok though, now I'm a born again Ibrahistian

Zlatanista :p

-CADS-

1-3-13, 16:15

What even was this? Were these comments off the back of one game?

welshypool

1-3-13, 16:15

Zlatanista :p

I've started a few religions in penance:

Zlatinava Witness

Zlathist

Ibrahatholic

Ibraholic (more of a vice)

And my personal favourite for absolute loyalty and death to the cause....an Ibraslim Extremist

WindyShepherdHenderson

1-3-13, 16:22

What even was this? Were these comments off the back of one game?

I assume it was after the United/Inter CL match.

-Monk-

1-3-13, 16:26

:D

Em-inLeam

1-3-13, 16:41

lol

Why am I not suprised you bumped this? Ibra and Jose are like your dream combo.

--Craig--

1-3-13, 16:49

Why am I not suprised you bumped this? Ibra and Jose are like your dream combo.

Better than Xabi and Rafa.

WindyShepherdHenderson

1-3-13, 16:50

Why am I not suprised you bumped this? Ibra and Jose are like your dream combo.

Better than Xabi and Rafa.

--Craig--

1-3-13, 16:52

...........

Em-inLeam

1-3-13, 16:57

Better than Xabi and Rafa.

Better than Xabi and Rafa.

I always knew you two were the same person. Could never have thought two posters could ever have so much in common....but now it makes sense!

paul143

1-3-13, 17:04

I always knew you two were the same person. Could never have thought two posters could ever have so much in common....but now it makes sense!

Are they alteregos and if so is it a Dr David Banner/Hulk situation or a Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde Situation? :eek:

Captain Mauser

2-3-13, 02:42

well man utd are the very best

cant remember seeing stevie have too many great performances against man utd over the years!

I like the cut of this guy's jib.

Obi-Red Kenobi

2-3-13, 10:55

Mourinho evidently is. Ibra evidently isn't.

Muppett

Obi-Red Kenobi

2-3-13, 10:59

:) Look at me being all emotive and grumpy on that thread.

Anyway, I was proven right, Ibra has done nothing since, not one eye catching hatrick at international level or ridiculous scissor kicks, was crap in Italy and is now crap for PSG.

In conclusion and for the sake of forum pride, I was absolutely right................

No you weren't, anyone who says he's not world class knows as much as my granny about football.