The Surface Pro is a beautiful, sexy device. My friend has one, and have played with it a lot. It is just a great device all around, it can do everything (except hardcore gaming), and it does them pretty damn well.

Despite what the internet(s) say, the battery life on it I experienced is amazing. No, not as good as an iPad, but it is a real full computer.

That said, I do not own one, because they are just damned expensive. I would love to have one of my own though. But I do not have $1200 to spend on it (which is about what it costs after all is said and done, as the damn keyboard is extra).

If Microsoft would have done what they did with the XBox and subsidize the cost of the device and sold it at an initial loss, much cheaper, they would be selling amazingly well.

Also, the RT was a stupid waste of time and money and effort by Microsoft. They should have just focused on the Pro (aka the full version of Windows that can run everything you could always run).

ViRGE wrote on Nov 21, 2012, 21:34:21% of you suck and are miserable excuses for human beings.

It's high time we just start taking away fucking licenses for that horseshit. Oh, you can't get to your job without a license, and thus can't take care of yourself? Tough fucking luck. Maybe in six months when you get your license back, you'll not have more important things to do than the actual act of fucking DRIVING.

I'd put all of them in jail for 20 years, but our jails are already too full. So taking away driver's licenses seems like a decent first step.

Creston

I kind of like the idea of a taking away there phone for a while. I suspect these are the same people that make me wait longer in line at the grocery store because they are too busy on their phone to listen to the cashier or to do it properly and efficiently at the self check-out.

Enahs wrote on Nov 13, 2012, 11:12:But the technology changes behind the scenes, with regard to the kernal and the memory management, etc, are by far worthy of a major revision number.

I've heard this one before based on an Arstechnica article but most of the under the hood changes I've read about only have a meaningful impact on Metro apps. This is well reflected in the marginal differentials between them in benchmarks. I've seen very little evidence to support that Windows 8 is more than an incremental upgrade.

Nothing wrong with incremental upgrades per se though and at least Microsoft has priced it appropriately. I just think its a shame that they didn't try to do more, it feels largely like catch up. I'm also not happy that they don't allow sideloading of metro apps, won't allow desktop apps on the store and forced metro instead of making it a toggleable option based on the device you're using.

The changes behind the scene will not have a major obvious improvement for every application is only because how inefficient Windows has been in the past, and the remedy for that was to throw more hardware resources at it.

But you can get the same performance in many existing applications as your current system using Win 7 in Win 8, while using older and lesser hardware in Win 8.

Just because you do not obviously see a change does not mean major changes have not been made in the background; which will have major impact on future versions.

That said, these major changes bring to Windows technology Linux has had for in many cases 10 years.....and Mac has now had for 2 or so...

Win8 has the potential of dethroning WinME has the worst Windows ever made.

Nah, WinME was a technical disaster as much as it was a product of greed. Windows 8 without Metro is basically just a cheap version of Windows 7. There's nothing really "wrong" with it per se but giving it a major version number with so few standout features is almost misleading IMHO.

But the technology changes behind the scenes, with regard to the kernal and the memory management, etc, are by far worthy of a major revision number.

There is A LOT new in Win8, and it is a GREAT system. People only focus on the new UI is the problem; and that is always going to be something subjective anyway.

On the background, Windows now has Kernal timing clock cycle savings ability linux had like 10 years ago (or something) and Mac has since 2007.

It also has some memory saving features, that again, Linux had for a while now.

So it is significantly more efficient on memory and power. For a super computer, you will not notice it; and yes it does benefit tablets more then anything; but it does help out regular laptops as well. And in general, making anything more efficient is good!

There are a lot of other behind the scene features upgraded, that other OSs have had for a while now. Again, they do not make a major different on powerful PCs; but, again, efficiency is better!

It is a substantial improvement in the OS, that will not actually have any tangible benefits for a lot of people.

There is a lot of stuff on streaming I watch; but it is not by any means everything. I also do the 1 DVD out at a time for modern movies.

It is really just the other companies. They all want to compete with NetFlix on streaming content, so make it prohibitively expensive for NetFlix to do streaming; meanwhile they do not yet have their service available.

And I am not sure why CEOs of 100 different media companies thinks it is a good idea to have 100 different sources for streaming content...

Sepharo wrote on Sep 29, 2012, 16:21:Yeah something about a tub of cream cheese spread across a mountain fatty meat high in cholesterol just says unhealthy to me. I understand the point your making about food though. But when another choice may be turkey and mustard, pastrami and cream cheese is the unhealthier of the two, no?

Cholesterol. You need it to live. Eating cholesterol is good for your health! Eating too much is bad.

And no, just because it has less fat and calories does not make the turkey and mustard more healthier. It just means you can eat more of it to get the same calorie intake; that is all.

Of course, this is assuming one or the other is not poisoned, or contains some toxic substance, etc.

Sepharo wrote on Sep 29, 2012, 14:45:Every now and then I go to a deli around here and order what is probably the least healthy sandwich on the menu... The New York New York: A giant grilled pastrami, chive cream cheese, red onion, lettuce, tomato, mayo on focaccia.

It's heavenly.

There is nothing unhealthy about that.

Eating food is healthy. Not eating food is unhealthy.

You need fat and protein to live. You need various vitamins and minerals. That sounds like a perfectly healthy sandwich to me.

It may be high on calories, but that does not make it unhealthy; it just makes it something you should not eat excess of.