Only because Doom missed 2010 as well as two games in 2011. If you add Doom's '09 and '11 seasons he has as many sacks as Hali, but with two fewer games played.

And Hali still isn't nearly as good in coverage or overall run defense as Miller was as a rookie. So if all that matters from a LB is pass rush then Hali has the edge or the time being. But if a LB is expected to be a versatile player then Miller is already a better player.

Hali and Doom are comparable players who just play in different fronts. Miller is an all around more disruptive player than Doom on the same squad.

Tamba doesn't play in coverage in our scheme. That's his biggest flaw and the coaches hide it well by playing in the nickel.

I think Miller is a better all around player right now, but last year he struggled against the run while Tamba was solid. I think Tamba was the better pass rusher and run stopper at the end of last year.

But then again Miller didn't have an offseason, so I fully expect him to be a better all around player right now. I don't know if he's a better pass rusher though. That's pretty close.

I don't have a problem with Miller not being ranked number 1. He missed games, he was great behind the LOS which got him noticed. All his big plays were sacks, or slicing in and making a nice run stop behind the LOS.

He still has to get better at his angles in the run game when he can't just blow the play up. Sometimes you have to pursue through traffic and make a play, or guard a TE or RB, those things he still can improve on. Then if he does, and still gets sacks, we can say he is one of the best in the NFL.

The good news is pressure on the QB is the most important thing. So if you are going to be a one trick pony, that is a good pony to ride.

Skipping to dbacks I think Broncos secondary coupled with Doom and Miller is all we need to make big plays of defense. Tracy Porter has way more speed at his age 25, then Goodman had last 3 yrs. He can play zone and man to man and is a good solid tackler. Bailey is still one of the best in the NFL. Harris looks like he can play some and Florence decent for depth. Adams at safety is a good move. Steady player that won't make mistakes. If Moore or Carter can improve the Broncos would have a really solid secondary. Good coverage, good pass rush, can maybe make up for avg dt rotation IMO.

Skipping to dbacks I think Broncos secondary coupled with Doom and Miller is all we need to make big plays of defense. Tracy Porter has way more speed at his age 25, then Goodman had last 3 yrs. He can play zone and man to man and is a good solid tackler. Bailey is still one of the best in the NFL. Harris looks like he can play some and Florence decent for depth. Adams at safety is a good move. Steady player that won't make mistakes. If Moore or Carter can improve the Broncos would have a really solid secondary. Good coverage, good pass rush, can maybe make up for avg dt rotation IMO.

Not to mention the addition of Jack Del Rio and playing with an acutal lead.

I feel good about agreeing Miller goes on to be mentioned with the very best linebackers. The other players seem to gush about his ability to get to the quarterback. He's a special player I think. Hali a fine player but I think Miller soars above him eventually.

The only player here that can challenge Miller as a complete OLB is Kerrigan, and he is 4 sacks behind Miller.

Miller is 6 sacks ahead of Houston, and has 2x more tackles for loss.

Smith was a pass rusher, 2.5 sacks ahead of Miller, but with 27 less tackles and 19 less solo tackles.

Miller made an impact against the run and the pass, with different responsibilities on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. Smith was more productive as a pass rusher, but he started zero games and was not a complete OLB like Von Miller.

I don't know why Von Miller would not be the best OLB in his draft class so far.

Looks pretty similar to me, except Houston is a better run defender. Von had 41 run stops last year starting 15 games. Houston had 32 run stops starting 10.

Houston was also 4th in the NFL drawing 6 holding penalties.

But you guys are right. Houston couldn't hold Von's jock.

So you cherry pick stats where Miller was injured? Typical chiefs fan using stats to argue. Houston was getting zero double teams where Miller faced double teams and was on one hand and still effective. Yeah Dumervil had strong finish of the year when Miller was getting double teamed. How much was Houston getting mentioned in DROTY?