Ordo Templi Orientis in Canada, V

ROBERT LATULIPPE'S STORY

December 2000

Latulippe: "I was very surprised to receive your E-Mail
concerning this article you wish to write. I must admit that you have
acquired a lot of information I had thought deleted from the
"historical" record. I am impressed! That's why I decided to answer
your questions as truthfully as I can remember. I hope these will be to
your satisfaction. If afterwards you want to know more, please feel
free to ask."PRK: "I hope that you've had a look at the 'OTO Phenomenon'
website?"Latulippe: "I've started to look at your site a couple of
weeks ago. It is very extensive. Since I have access to the internet
through the computer at my work place only, I can only check it out by
bits and pieces. I usually just copy one of your texts to wordpad and
bring it home for a more quiet and leisurely reading on my own system.
Peter Cohen and I have agreed that although you are obviously not
Caliphate, you seem to be quite the professional historian whose
motivation isn't denigration but rather a seeking of the truth. I can
really appreciate something like that!"PRK question: "In 'The Magickal Link' (Vol.I No.8 August
1981, see facsimile reproduction via the Intro-page) there is an article by Grady McMurtry
entitled 'Caliph's Log: Star Date - You name it.' It begins, "I have
just returned from a most fantastic adventure," and goes on to discuss
the Caliph's trip to Montréal, Canada. He says he initiated 23
Minervals, and adds that "I am proud to announce that we now have a
Phoenix Lodge"; in other words the W.T. Smith Chapter had been raised
to Lodge status. The rest of the article is mainly gossip, but it ends
by asking: "The next question is: how many countries does it take to
elect an O.H.O.? An interesting thought." This issue of _The Magickal
Link_ also contains a submission from the new 'Phoenix' Lodge talking
about their foundation. It mentions the Café Thélème lunch (where the
photo was taken) as having happened on June 14th. It also states that
on Saturday June 13th McMurtry consecrated Richard Gernon and Robert
Latulippe as "Bishops of New York & Québec."
This raises questions, such as how did yourself and Robert Deumié get
their higher degrees? I never heard you travelled to New York for them!
Yet Deumié was supposed to be a fifth, and yourself a second? third?
Which Temple did you go to when there wasn't one?"Latulippe: "Prior to Grady's arrival in Montréal for that
famed Minerval initiation, OTO had no real presence in Québec. (I
cannot speak for English Canada) We do have an important occult
community though, but it orbits around three distinct traditions; 1)
English Free Masonry. 2) French Freemasonry. 3) Wicca."
[Simon commented: "Like he says just below, there are other
groups, but I would make the distinction between "wicca" and the
neo-pagans."]Latulippe: "French Freemasonry specifically includes the
French Gnostic Churches such as the 'New Alliance Church', the
Martinists and the Memphis & Mizraim rite of Masonry. There are also a
plethora of smaller groups which abound here in a post-'Quiet
Revolution' society. (Historical Note: Until 1959 Québec was in fact a
theocracy. The English had theoretical power but it was the Roman
Catholic Church (RC) church which held true dominion over French
Canada. The Church was present everywhere in our social lives... they
controlled schools, colleges, universities, hospitals, orphanages,
libraries, registries, archives, lotteries, newspapers, bureaucracies
and political parties. If you were French Canadian, you couldn't
breathe without your priest's approval.
Québec lost most of its intelligentsia in those days; they had to
exile themselves to France or the United States, or they would have
starved to death in their own homes because they had offended their
local clergyman. Maurice Duplessis was the last of Québec's Prime
Ministers to be controlled by the Church. His death in 1959 signaled
the beginning of what was called by Québec historians the 'Quiet
Revolution' (Révolution Tranquille). During this, Québecers secularized
their society, and took over the institutions which had been under
ecclesiastical rule since colonial times. They threw out the Church and
brought the province into the modern secular world. The emergence of
OTO in Québec isn't just a story of the expansion of a secret society
into another country, it is part of the Quiet Revolution's continuing
progress (again, I cannot speak for English Canada). It is a social,
political and religious statement! This, by the simple fact that OTO is
the only order here which actually challenges the calcified attitudes
of a people that thinks it has secularized itself, but subconsciously,
still maintains many superstitions and erroneous philosophies which
have been carried over from the previous catholic generation.)
I am a child of the Quiet Revolution; so are 'Jean-Louis Rhéault' and
'Marc Desjardins'. The three of us were known during the seventies as
the "Bad Boys of Québec Occultism". We would touch everything,
investigate any and all initiatory or supposed initiatory societies. We
would thrash charlatans, denounce frauds, publicly attack false gurus
who would prey on people's mystical gullibility, etc. During these
peregrinations, we studied much, traveled a lot and we did come across
some groups which we did consider worthwhile; Fremasonry and Martinism,
the Elect of Cohen (Élus de Cohen), etc. We took our initiations in
these groups and did our time until we received the highest ranks and
degrees. But we were not satisfied. Then in the early eighties, an
American came to Montréal who had connections with OTO. He got us very
interested and we agreed to help him set up a lodge in Québec. We
brought all our knowledge and all our experience to bear in our new
cause and the result was the birth of 'Phoenix' Lodge. The American was
Bill Breeze. Marc Desjardins became Bill's right hand man and the _pro
tem_ lodge master if Bill were ever to take a leave of absence. I don't
remember what Jean-Louis got, but I got EGC.
If I remember correctly, 'W.T.Smith' Chapter was originally in British
Columbia, on the other side of the continent."
[Leah commented: "This is pretty much what I thought.
Actually, there wasn't much of a COTO anywhere else either!"]Latulippe: "There was no OTO in Québec prior to 'Phoenix'.
When we started OTO here, Bill was the only one to have been previously
initiated (he was a second degree then.) Jean-Louis, Marc and myself,
although initiates in our own right, had to start as Minervals in OTO
like everybody else. We got our positions within OTO by virtue of our
past experiences in other orders, not because of any initiations in OTO
which we never had until then. Please keep in mind that OTO started
from scratch in Québec.
There was a small group of OTO "sympathizers" in Montréal prior to
Phoenix, they had an ongoing correspondence with Grant's OTO, but had
not received any initiations. They operated from a locality called "418
Bookstore". Alan Stewart was from this group. Ultimately, the gang from
"418" was absorbed into Phoenix upon its foundation. Also, if you are
interested in a little trivia, the name 'Phoenix' was Bill Breeze's
idea."
[Leah commented: "There is that connection between Breeze and
418 which Latulippe seems unaware of. But those people were English, so
was the bookstore, and Latulippe is very French!"]Latulippe: "The first batch of Minervals were done in my
personal temple, as it was the largest space at our disposal at the
time. It could accommodate up to 50 participants. This is where I met
Robert Deumié for the first time. I was then totally unaware of who he
was. He was initiated Minerval at the same time as Jean-Louis, Marc and
myself."
[Leah commented: "And yet Deumié told me he was initiated
outdoors, in a schoolyard!"]Latulippe: "Peter Cohen, Alan Stewart and François Cartier
were also initiated that day. Robert Deumié claimed to be a
high-ranking member of a Freemason lodge and a Voudou priest. I was
suspicious at first, because I personally knew the vast majority of
Masons in Montréal, and I never encountered or otherwise met him. I
later discovered that he was a member of a Haitian lodge which tended
to incorporate some elements of Voudou into their rite. By Fremasonic
standards, this kind of lodge is not recognized and is called
"Sauvage". Worst still, Deumié was not a high-ranking member, and it
was rumored that he had severe arguments with his Haitian brethren. I
do know for certain that at one point Deumié was expelled from his
lodge and went a little nuts. He went to Chicago, I think it was, to
get (i.e. buy) a bogus Memphis & Mizraim charter which supposedly made
him Grand Master of any Memphis & Mizraim Order in Canada and thus also
of OTO, since he was convinced that OTO was affiliated with that
venerable masonic society."
[Simon commented: "Not Chicago, but Cleveland, Ohio. I was
'initiated' in Deumié's fake MM lodge - the texts he has have an
originating address in Cleveland, 'Conseil Suprême de Cleveland'. This
clears things up in my mind."]Latulippe: "I am not sure of the chronology, but I think that
Deumié was Phoenix Lodge Master by then. When he discovered that OTO
and M.M. were two distinct entities, he attempted to have Phoenix
absorbed into M.M. (His M.M. with a bogus charter! There are many
common aspects between M.M. and OTO, notably the use of black robes in
Temple. These common aspects are probably what convinced him of the
righteousness of his beliefs.) After Bill Breeze was expelled from
Canada, Marc Desjardins became the acting Lodge Master, who later
transferred the responsibility to Peter Cohen. Breeze quickly replaced
Peter by Robert Deumié as official Lodge Master. There were more
serious problems with Deumié; he insisted on using Masonic dates on
Thelemic documents. He would begin rituals by claiming to act under the
authority of M.M. rather than OTO Grand Lodge. He would read from the
Bible in ritual rather than from Liber AL."
[Simon and Leah commented: "Simon was quite surprised to find
a Bible in the Temple, rather than Liber Al, especially because Deumié
knows that Simon is a non-Xtian - he apostated in 1993, in fact. Also
the 'Masonic' hymn book has hymns to our Saviour Lord Jesus in it!
Eeew!"]Latulippe: "He [Deumié] would constantly mix up the
signs of the degrees. He insisted on public OTO rituals and had to back
down on this when none of the members wanted to help him. His "magickal
system" was nothing more than an incoherent and incomprehensible
mish-mash of Masonic, Catholic and Voudou rituals, with lots of wild
gestures and loud cries which meant absolutely nothing to us. There is
a law in Québec which dates back to pre-Quiet Revolution days; it
states that one cannot practice "occultism" for profit in this
province. The astrologers, tarot readers, clairvoyants, etc. who
practice their "art" here, get around the law by claiming that their
operation is for "public amusement". Robert Deumié was caught by the
police for breaking this law and arrested. He could have easily been
released if only he had told the judge that his reading was for the
amusement of his customers. He didn't do that! He claimed religious
discrimination. He also wanted to use OTO as a tool to fight the
courts. He wanted the members to come and support him during his
hearing, while wearing our OTO robes and regalia in court. I think he
was under the delusion that a secret society was somehow above the
law..."
[Simon commented: "Deumié puts a very different spin on this.
He says he won that case because he did the I° masonic sign to the
judge! I guess it's one of the stories Deumié likes to tell, because he
makes such a big fuss over showing up in an OTO robe (somehow I don't
believe it though) in court. This is how he tells it: he shows in
court, dressed in the robe, pleads his case; in the meantime, he's
doing the apprentice masonic sign (his version? considering I had a
feeling about the signs knocks and grips , and what Latulippe said
above) to the judge, the judge hears the other side, then the judge
accepts what Deumié said, and decides in his favour. I'm summing up,
but this is the gist of it."]Latulippe: "At one time, Deumié wanted to get a group of
initiates together to go steal a cadaver in a remote French Canadian
cemetery. He wanted the body for a Voudou ritual. We refused our aid
and made a joke of him. It did deter him from committing this
stupidity. As far as I know, no body was ever stolen from a Québec
cemetery. I don't want to get too much into the details of this little
story, since it inspired me to begin writing a novel based on that
specific conspiracy. The novel is far from finished and isn't
considered a priority in my life right now. But I think the story is of
"Stephen King" caliber and I want the copyright! Finally, the members
got fed up. We organized what I called a "Very Thelemic Coup D'État"! I
honestly don't remember all the details of what we did: it would
probably be best that you ask David Poole about it. Anyway, what I can
tell you is that David, Mimi and myself were the primary conspirators.
Alan showed up later; he wasn't included in the plot, but came in on
his own when he started to smell Deumié's blood in the water and wanted
what he believed to be his share of the 'kill'."
[Leah commented: "I happen to know there was more than a
little racism involved in this: Deumié is from Guadaloupe, of mixed
ancestry, and some of the others considered themselves what they call
'pure Laine' (pure wool) here, in other words 'racially pure.' Not
around Deumié of course, but amongst others they consider their kind,
they were openly racist."]Latulippe added later: "Pure Laine" does not mean racially
pure... that is false! The term originated from the "ceinture flêchée"
that the habitants (French-Canadians) would wear in winter. It was made of wool
and covered the abdomen and kidneys to keep them warm. The colours of
the woolen belt were red and white (nothing to do with the Canadian
flag). The white represented our french ancestors and the red
represented our Amerindian ancestors. A " Québécois Pure Laine" is a
métis!!! Also, the fact that Deumié was part black, never entered into
the equation during the "Coup d'État"! To claim that it did is
untrue!"Leah: "I concede, though it may very well have been "a
factor" in Alan's machinations."Simon: "it is to note though that some people understand the
term "pure laine" to be "français de france" kind of trip, and don't
give thought or don't know (or don't want to know) of the "old
families" in quebec ancestry being of mixed origins."Leah: "I agree my interpretation of the definition of "pure
laine" was from what I have seen with the incident between the Mohawks
i.e. Kahnien:ka:ga and the people of Chateauguay, and some very racist
anti-aboriginal rhetoric I/we have been exposed to that I thought
"Pure-Laine" meant all ancestry being "Français de France". Simon being
Métis-franco-Albertan admits he was not sure of the meaning, either.
Also Alan was well known to be a racist and I concede I assumed that
was OTO-wide."Latulippe: "I have never heard Alan express a racial slur. He
was a big fan of black jazz bands in Montréal. One day Peter Cohen
brought a black woman as a date to a party where Alan was present. Alan
attempted to seduce her. If I add all these little bits together, I
come to the conclusion that Alan wasn't really racist at all! I might
be wrong but I don't think so. I don't know if the fact that Deumié was
mulato ever entered into Alan's "machinations" as Leah suggests, but I
do know that he wanted to replace Deumié as Lodge
Master."Latulippe: "Deumié was deposed and David Poole became the new
Lodge Master. Deumié did not go willingly or nicely. To show fraternal
feelings towards Deumié after his defeat, we invited him as "Former
Lodge Master" to the first Minerval initiations to be performed under
the aegis of the "new administration" (the initiations took place at
St. Marc's Memorial Masonic Temple in Montréal). It was a mistake. The
initiations were barely over before Deumié was slandering Poole and
myself. He went to see the new initiates, and told them that the signs
we used during the ritual were wrong, that we got parts of the ritual
mixed up, and other little things to insinuate that David and I were
incompetent."[Ed.: There seem to be misunderstandings
regarding the location, see David Poole's
account, the Introduction and the research on the subject.]
[Leah commented: "It would not surprise me at all if Deumié
were correct here. I have seen Poole perform rituals. Simon has seen
Deumié, who is obviously more experienced. The others very rarely did
ritual - especially Poole, and usually only with some kind of script or
prop (like Francis King's book) in hand."]Latulippe: "It caused a serious ambiguity in the minds of our
new members and it pissed them off. I've seen this situation before in
OTO, were the lower degrees are misinformed by supposed authorities
within the order, whereas the facts don't bear them out... The new
initiates don't know what to believe, and dissension and demoralisation
occurs."
[Leah commented: "Typical COTO: always blame someone
else!"]Latulippe: "I decided to correct the situation by shooting
off a letter to Soror Helena asking her to clarify the situation for
the new initiates' sakes. As a retaliatory gesture, Deumié banned me
from his Café (as if I cared), and tried to have me expelled from the
M.M. order (he failed)."
[Simon commented: "I suspect that Deumié would do something
like that, considering he thought that he was hoodwinking me when I
asked him a few questions (of which I knew the answers) concerning
certain psychic and magickal manifestations. I think I know more than
he does, to be honest. He showed me nothing new, or that I didn't
already know, from before or after I tied up with Leah."]PRK question: "David Poole said: "Phoenix Oasis charter,
September 3, 1990, HB, Soror Helena Charter to initiate to III°
September 17, 1990, HB (First group of 6 Minervals done at St-Marcs
Memorial Temple, David Poole (Saladin), Robert Latulippe (Wasir), Peter
Cohen (reactivated for the occasion as Black Guard), guest: Robert
Deumié (past Master) It was then decided to set up a Temple, Library,
conference room, and we rented the basement of a bank to set up the
Templar Center in downtown Montréal." Leah commented on this: "The rent
was $200 a month. Latulippe paid $50, Simon and I paid $50, a small
group of magicians/musicians paid $50, and Poole paid $50. Latulippe
and Poole were to use the space for OTO, the magicians/musicians wanted
it for jamming, and I had the space for 'Wicca' once a week. However,
Poole started fighting with Latulippe, who withdrew."Latulippe: "Although they had Wiccan tendencies, Simon and
Leah were "not" the Wiccan sub-renters. The Witches that rented our
space a day per week was Michael Hoirch's gang from Wytchwood
Hill."
[Leah commented: "I am so glad he confirmed the rent. I
suspect Poole's figure of $350 was padded for income tax purposes. And
I am quite sure he has a 'receipt'."][David Poole added: "We had a two year lease (1 April 1991 to 31 mars 1993), we paid the
first and last months up front. The rent was $350.00 + $24.50 (7%) gst=
$374.50. "Leah" is completely wrong, I have the legal lease right here
in front of me. I paid monthly $150.00, Latulippe paid monthly $150.00,
others paid $50.00 (the occasional wicca night OR the Golden Dawn study
group of Frater Zalanes). An aside, the landlord told us $350.00 a
month, Latulippe and I made an agreement to pay $150.00 each, when the
official invoice came, there was an additional $24.50 of 7% GST
(federal tax), which Latulippe flatly refused to ever pay. I did
request of the landlord to break the lease in November 1991, because
the payments from all concerned were never being made on time."Leah commented: "blah blah blah, but it is about money, and
yes i did pay $50 a month, I was told it was one quarter of the rent, I
had no reason (at the time) to ask for a receipt or ask Poole for
documentation so I cannot "prove" it, but he knows and I know he lied
to me, and besides I do not care one bit about the money. This is just
plain boring, now. I will not be taking him to "small claims court".
LOL!"Poole: "It's only about money because that's an issue she
brought up! Leah is very confused, and I have all documentary evidence
that proves it."Poole: "AND there was no legal problem, Latulippe forgets
this, because the landlord was a business acquaintance of my family. We
moved our meetings to the room at the back of Metamorphoses in December
1991.
Serge Lebel owner of Metamorphoses: was never a member of the OTO.
He is a Thelemite, and friendly towards our cause. He never asked
us to leave. We moved because their wasn't enough room to practice. We
are still to this day on very friendly terms with him. And he is NOT
"Frater Yahoo". Frater Yahoo was Michel Verdon. They both were
translators."]Latulippe: "The argument that finally caused my "withdrawal"
started here but didn't actually blow up until later. There are many
major grievances involved here: 1) David Poole never kept his word. He
never respected any agreement with me - or anybody else for that
matter. Even written agreements were either skewed in their wording in
the beginning, unilaterally changed, or just simply ignored. If OTO did
not have a clause that prevents initiates from suing one another before
a secular court, I would have dragged him there long ago for breach of
contract."Poole commented in March 2002:
"What he is talking about was two agreements we had made one for
sharing $150.00 each on the rent of the Templar center, when the
invoice came, it had an extra $24.50 federal tax that we didn't expect
on it. He flatly refused to pay for it, I had had to come up with the
extra amount. Another was when he purchased a set of the Equinox from my
sideline "Lady Nuit Distributions" at a very cheap price, and HE's the
one that stalled payments, and took longer than we had agreed on.
Anything else he's talking about I have no clue."Cont. Latulippe: " 2) He is a "VERY" obnoxious person. So much so that there are
times that you want to rip his head off. He doesn't seem to comprehend
what the concept behind the word "diplomacy" is! And that did nothing
to help our friendship."Poole in March 2002:
"He is the most anti-social creature I've ever met. He even asked my
wife "why don't women like me!"Cont. Latulippe: " 3) He developed a serious marzipan habit in
those days. It made him arrogant, aggressive and only worsened his
already irritating personality."Poole commented in March 2002:
"He is an outright liar, I only tried it a couple times! This a case
of the pot calling the kettle black!Cont. Latulippe: " 4) Politically, he's a fervent Canadian
federalist and I'm a staunch Québec separatist!Poole in March 2002:
"In actual fact I prefer a strong Canada than a weak Quebec, but he
doesn't get it.Cont. Latulippe: " 5) He' s resentful.Poole added in March 2002:
"In actual fact he was inactive from the OTO when I "rescued" his
career and went to bat to the Supreme Council twice for him: Once when I
made him an officer of the Corporation, against the Caliphs advice, and
secondly, when I was invited to IV* in Chicago and insisted he should
also be invited. I personally contacted at least 4 or 5 members from
the Lodges early days, and he responded, as well as a couple others. It
wasn't due to his "cajoling". I naturally don't agree with his
"assessment" I find him ungrateful, disloyal and gross. Also, be it
known that I had to smooth over many situation is the Lodge where Lodge
members simply didn't like him at all, calling him behind his back all
sorts of names. If I learned something is that like minds sink to the
same level, the "mob mentality" still has an effect. When a couple of
members tried to rock the boat, it didn't take long for a few more to
try to latch on. The members he refers to, were effectively 4 members
out of 20 that sided with me and stayed in the Lodge. As I previously
mentioned all of the "good" members actually progressed in life and a
lot of them moved away as they pursued careers and life!"Cont. Latulippe: " After Mimi's death, I became the de-facto power behind the throne, the
King Maker. I organized Deumié's downfall, I then brought the old
members back in an attempt to revive a foundering Phoenix. I recruited,
organized, coordinated, cooperated, mobilized, cajoled, manipulated and
did anything and everything necessary to ensure the continuation of OTO
in Québec. The members knew this, and thus I earned their respect. When
they had problems or questions, they came to me. They trusted me. They
would participate with me. David Poole complained that I took up the
center-stage too much. He was the lodge master and thus he deserved the
limelight. He became obsessed with undermining my position in OTO. He
made derogatory remarks, would patronize and attempt to humiliate me in
public, he cut me off from any position of power and/or influence
within Phoenix, etc. The last straw was when he spread the rumor in
Montréal, that OTO Grand Lodge had put me on "Bad Report", thus hoping
to give me a bad reputation amongst the Phoenix members. Of course,
this was not true, and Soror Helena was suddenly annoyed by several
phone calls from members in Montréal wanting her to confirm or deny the
rumor.
That's when I decided to take a sabbatical from OTO. I also took a
sabbatical from Memphis & Mizraim, Wicca and Martinism at the same
time. Two months after this decision, believe it or not, David Poole
was still complaining (sigh) that I took up too much space! He even
sent a delegation of two Phoenix members (John Laliberté and Normand
Laforce) to tell me to get "even more" out of the way. He still didn't
have the limelight, because most of the members had walked out after my
departure! What can I say? I apologize for existing..."
[Leah commented: "This is very interesting. Note that Poole
never mentioned his name - Latulippe I mean! But I do not doubt that
Latulippe is accurate here. By the way, I heard the marzipan story from
two other people, not Latulippe. But I never had a clue that Latulippe
was also writing letters to Grand Lodge - for a person he helped make
Lodge Master? He knew David Poole was doing marzipan before he became
Lodge Master."]
[Robert Latulippe commented: "To my knowledge, Poole did not use marzipan prior to
becoming Lodge Master."]PRK question: "According to one of my sources Alan Stewart
had a very interesting and personal relationship with Breeze. He had
Breeze's personal phone number, and was known to call him day or night,
whenever he felt like it, which was often when he was drinking.
According to Stewart, Breeze had stolen 'his woman', that is the woman
he loved most in the world (he hated the rest of the sisters here, and
terrorised his partner), a woman known as 'Soror Mimi'. Srs. Eva and
Mimi (Mimi was actually married to another man but seems to have been
Breeze's magickal partner for a while), were both from Montréal, and
French-Canadian; 'Eva' was married to Richard Guernon. Both women moved
to New York to Breeze when he started up. Both women eventually
returned to Montréal."Latulippe: "Alan Stewart (recently deceased of a heart
attack), was quite a phenomenon! He was a brilliant artist, but has
left a very small body of work in this area to posterity. There aren't
very many paintings of his out there - but they are very good. He also
had a great mind for literature. He was an excellent writer. What I
really admired him for though, was the imagination he put into his
rituals."
[Simon commented: "Imagination? Has he ever been to one of
Stewart's rituals? Some of it was ripped off straight out of 'Liber
XV', and some of the 'Starry Wisdom' 'initiations' were lifted from the
Witchcraft initiation rituals with William Lento's help. Lento said so
himself."]Latulippe: "Please don't misunderstand me; Alan was not my
friend. He was a brotherly enemy, a magickal and sexual rival, a
competitor and a cultured adversary."
[Simon commented: "Cultured? More often than not he was
boorish, especially when drunk, and morose when sober. He talks of when
Stewart was still doing stuff - that was years and years ago."]Latullippe: "As brothers we fought, and as brothers we
actually enjoyed it. The statement that Alan hated the rest of the
sisters in Montréal is untrue! Whenever Phoenix initiated a new female
member, Alan would be all over her, attempting to seduce her.
YES!!! I am talking about Stewart when he was doing stuff years and
years ago!!! Stewart and I have been around for a very long
time!!!"
[Leah commented: "Not seduce so much as photograph. He was a
photographer, and had many photos of naked ladies."]Latulippe: "His relationship with Mimi seems to have calmed
him down, but he was back to his usual self when she left for New York.
That is not to say that he had no emotions for Mimi. He did love her
very much, and her departure for the United States caused him grief.
But there was something else at play there...
To understand how Alan worked, how he thought, how he loved or hated,
you have to understand what he wanted. What he wanted above all else
from life, what motivated him, gnawed at him, obsessed him and tainted
everything he said, did, or thought, was his deep-rooted desire to
become the Caliph of OTO.
He didn't just love Mimi, he knew she was special. He didn't just want
her as his priestess, he saw in her the ticket he longed for to achieve
his goals."
[Leah commented: "This is a weird statement. Mimi wasn't the
head of the OTO! But in Québec, women more or less rule the family -
Latulippe and Mimi are both French Québecers, and perhaps that is why
Latulippe - not Stewart - would see Mimi's role as being much more
important than Breeze's, being raised in a matriarchal culture. When
they say Nuit, they mean "Goddess" here - when the Americans say it,
they mean 'nothing at all'."]Latulippe: "We'll get back to Mimi a little later, there are
a few more things you should know about Alan: He did call Bill Breeze
continuously. Bill told me that he was very annoyed by these calls but
remained diplomatic nonetheless. Yes, Alan was drunk or stoned during
these calls but then, Alan was seldom sober. I ordained Alan as a
priest of EGC on January 10th 1982 e.v. at Bill Breeze's request. Alan
was not a nice guy! He was manipulative, cunning, back-stabbing. He
would steal to either supply his drug or alcohol needs or to finance
his 'Starry Wisdom Church'."
[Simon commented: "That's what the Starry Wisdom 'dues' were
for - the booze, sometimes other drugs."]Latulippe: "He tried to steal OTO by registering it as a
company. (Registration of a company is a simple thing, it costs $25 and
requires only one signature. A corporation, especially a non-profit
corporation, requires much more legalities.) OTO is still duly
"Incorporated" in Québec. Unfortunately, the bureaucracies involved
with registrations of companies and of incorporation are different and
tend not to communicate much with each other. It's through that
specific loophole in the government administration that Alan managed to
slip! When Bill dissolved EGC and absorbed it into OTO, Alan quickly
registered the Thelemic Church as his company and claimed that he had
saved EGC from being destroyed by OTO. (Actually, if you read his
registration papers, readily available to the public, you will notice
that he didn't register "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica", he registered
"Ecclesia Gnostica Caotholica"... check out the "ao" in
Caotholica! Legally speaking, it could be construed that he didn't
touch OTO's EGC at all!)"
[Simon commented: "Does any of this this really matter in
light of the current legal situation of the copyrights? Besides,
copyrights don't necessarily make for good magick."Leah
added: "Obviously Latulippe did not actually check the records
himself - it says "Église Gnostique Catholique", however Alan
pronounced it 'Cow-tho-leek-ah'."]
EGC Inc. Gov. of QC:
registration 1992/02/25 2947-3808.Leah: "He was expelled from OTO as Feb. 23, 1992 essentially
for registering EGC in his name. Notice this is a great example of
Caliphate revisionism and rewriting of the most trivial history, The
"expulsion date" is two days before he actually registered it. That
expulsion date is from the Caliphate's own official letter to him. BTW
he was making a "joke" because he deliberately misspelt "EGC" on the
government paper. Expelled before he did the deed?
ROTFLMAO!"Latulippe: "As for the registration of OTO, David and I had
consulted with a law firm and were told that we did have a case and it
could be easily won. Unfortunately, OTO Grand Lodge decided not to
pursue the matter and we had to let Alan be. This is the guy that
decided to euthanase his cats, Morpheus and Priapus, by shooting them
up with smack.
I did check the records... I had to! We had to present our case to a
law firm and thus I had to have on hand all pertinent data. Michael
Hoirch and myself had to travel all over this city, calling on the
various bureaucracies involved, gathering information. Has Leah ever
dealt with lawyers? If I had gone to them asking that they take up my
case and not presented any evidence, they would have sent me packing!!!"Leah: "I concur, I have the documents myself now and the
Latin did have a curious spelling."
[Simon commented: "Alan Stewart never answered my question of
how his cats died when I asked him. I heard this later from a different
source."Leah added: "The story is much worse than that,
though this was the story Alan told. He conned Felicity into giving him
some money to get some heroin to put the cats to sleep - they were both
very very old, and had a fatal virus. She gave him the money, he bought
the smack, and then he took the smack. The cats actually died of slow
starvation, dehydration, etc. which took about two weeks. I remember
this clearly because one of them actually died on my
birthday."]PRK question: "It's said that Stewart "terrorized his
partner."
[Simon commented: "No, I think the woman here is Sr.
Roe."]Latulippe: "Are you talking about Mimi here? I don't know if
that's true. A lot of people loved Mimi in Québec, a lot of them
weren't OTO - many of them were bikers. If it had been discovered that
Alan was in any way hurting or intimidating Mimi, he would have been in
hospital for the next six months of his life. (And that's the best-case
scenario!) I do know for certain that he did terrorize one of "his"
priestesses called Felicity Stephens, but I'll come back to her later
also."
[Simon commented: "Too true! And he did end up in jail, not
the hospital, for six months, after he beat up an Inuit woman - 'his'
girlfriend at the time."]Latulippe: "I do remember one night when Alan and another of
his priestesses at the time, Laura Simmons, had a huge argument. Alan
was very threatening, so I gave Laura my keys and told her to take
refuge at my place while I stayed behind to make sure Alan didn't
pursue her. After she left, I witnessed Alan do the following; he put
on some Scottish military music with lots of bagpipes and played it
very, very loud. He then took out his Mauser rifle and began shooting
up his apartment. When he ran out of ammo, he fixed a bayonet to the
rifle and began attacking doors, walls, paintings, furniture, etc.
After about 15 minutes of this, I estimated that Laura had enough of a
head start, so I decided to leave myself. To do so, I had to remove the
lock on the door as Alan had shot it when firing wildly all over the
place and it now prevented me from opening the door (this took another
five minutes at least as I had to find a screwdriver and do the job
calmly while Alan was going nuts!) To this day, I am still amazed that
the police never showed up! This event is the source of the "Agent 93"
nickname. It was Alan who called me that. He did it to denigrate any
possible version, ahead of time, that I could have come up with,
concerning that episode. In his Agent 93 story which he says was only a
joke, he passes me off as a cowardly little geek. "Agent 93" is an
insult! This was prior to Alan and Mimi having an affair. It was also
on that night that I became convinced, notwithstanding Alan's qualities
I have mentioned above, that the man was completely insane."
[Simon commented: "I heard the Alan Stewart version.
Obviously, he had called Latulippe a coward or some such name about the
way he had run out. Here, Latulippe may indeed have been trying to
protect Mimi from harm, since that's when I hear Stewart got violent
with women - when he was drunk or something. I never saw this
personally; he never got that way in front of men, since he seems to
have been afraid to do so. Others lived there on Coloniale for that
very reason - to protect the women living there from
violence."] In January 2003, Simon added: "preamble: to me this is just old news and stuff, and something long past.
but i suppose it must be said. but at least i hope it'll help some
people figure stuff out about various people in the "magical community"
(if it ever was one), and what this so-called order is really about....
it was many moons ago, that i had attended a ritual hosted by alan
stewart, and the opening ritual was a 'star ruby' (you'll see why the
quotes later on). there were several people in attendance [**note to prk:
is it ok for me to name them? i don't think it's really relevant to
mention them, unless it helps to clarify things — i'll list who i
remember was there at the bottom**], about 8 to 10 people all told (i
remember about 8 of them anyway, could have been more).
AS had put his robe on, and pulled out his mauser from i can't recall
where, and was using it to project the pentgrams, and to trace them out
- note that they were inverted pentagrams - which is not usual practice.
on more than one did he stumble and almost fell on another, yelling out
the names as he did so, drunk as a skunk as well. most of the people
weren't too impressed - neither was i, but found it rather funny in
fact.
i was sitting next to norman laforce, and he made some comments on the
ritual, i can't recall what he said, but one of them made me laugh.
he found it rather boorish of alan to do a banishing with a rifle, and
rather stupid if i remember correctly.
i think that time someone was thinking of joining his 'order', and well,
i didn't see him there again....
there's not much more i can say really, it's a short ritual, there isn't
much to fuck up — and alan somehow managed to do that. why he did that,
i will never know, and i don't really want to play amateur
psychologist....
when i look back on this whole part of my past — and it is very much
part of my past, i did learn of *few* things, about myself, but about
the world too. it's not a total write-off, but there are things that i
need to work out about all that still, i realise that as i'm writing
this little story. rather purgative too, heh.
it is funny in a way, but a little sorry-looking to me now.
what i will never understand — and don't particularly care to, is why
some certian people will try to make things look better than they are;
i.e., whitewash things. i guess they fell insecure about certain
decisions they've made, and want to feel better about themselves,
instead of looking at the bare facts in the brightness of the sun they
supposedly worship or pay homage to. my first reaction is all of this
past stuff is "oh no, why do we have to re-hash all this?", and another
part of me goes "hmm, why you saying that? don't you want to have some
closure?". i guess the latter part of me is the wiser me, and the former
is the partly "don't wanna hear about old crap anymore", and parlty in
denial. if not denial of the past events, but denial of my feelings and
thoughts on those events.
um, the mauser did have the bayonet on it when i saw the ritual. insert
with a bayonet after the first mention of mauser, it'll be ok.
robert latulippe, norman laforce, ralph osborne, william lento, alain
miller, rob davis, alan stewart and myself - those are the ones i
remember. that other guy i can't remember his name. may have been others
too, just don't remember who exactly."

PRK question: "My source says "'Mimi' left Breeze and
returned to her husband. This was in 1986-87. Less than a year after
this (she was only 28 years old), she was dead of a 'heart attack'.
Breeze came up for her funeral, which was RC."Latulippe: "There are several problems with this little
paragraph: 1) Mimi didn't leave Bill Breeze! He came back home from
work early one day and caught her shooting up heroin. That's when he
decided to send her back to Montréal as soon as conveniently possible.
2) Her husband was "André Lauzon" (I'm not sure about his first name).
He was a glass cutter by trade and a drug trafficker by inclination. He
died of a heroin overdose shortly after Bill Breeze's expulsion from
Canada. Mimi "couldn't" have returned to her husband. She came back to
a guy called Bjorn and I have no idea where she met him. 3) She didn't
die of a "heart attack". Her parents asked that an autopsy be performed
to be certain of the cause of death. They knew she had a drug problem.
The autopsy report was never made public, but from what I managed to
find out, she died of "pulmonary arrest"! (She vomited in her sleep,
choked on it and never woke up). 4) Yes, the funeral was RC! Of course,
what did you expect? Please remember the little historical note above
concerning the Quiet Revolution. Mimi was born very early in the
sixties, right when that major social event was beginning to take
place. Her parents were devout catholics back then and although they
became more secular as the decades went by, they are still very much
RC; they are the previous generation. They paid for the funeral. You
must also understand what the underlying fundamental principle of a
funeral rite is: it's for the living, not for the dead! It is a time
when the living may pay their last respects, show their pain, mourn
their loss, make a final break with the person they loved and who will
no longer be there with them. The funeral was for Mimi's family.
To use the fact that Mimi had such a funeral as a criticism against her or
Bill Breeze is unfair! I also remember that during the wake that
followed, Mr. LeGallic (Mimi's father; her real name was Mireille
LeGallic) came to shake Bill's hand and in the best English he could
muster, profusely apologized for the RC funeral. He said he knew Mimi
wasn't Christian but that the family needed it."PRK question: "One of my sources says "When Poole became the
Caliph's representative, 'Mimi' had put in a good word for Poole, and
he named her as the Secretary Treasurer of OTO Québec Inc. She died two
weeks later. The Caliph did come to Montréal for the Catholic funeral
her parents wanted. Poole was there, as was Robert Latulippe and Alan
Stewart. She was cremated at Côté des Neiges Cemetery, and
a wake followed at the church basement. They sat at the back of the
Church as the Caliph didn't want to mingle too closely with the family
and Bjorn."Latulippe: "Being French Canadian, I have a very large
extended family - approximately 130 to 150 people. They know where I
stand on religious affairs and expect some eccentricity from me
whenever I have to step into an RC church. With a clan of this size,
there are many births and deaths. When a death happens in the family,
the clan gets together during the funeral. The rite is RC as my clan is
of that faith. The funeral is also one of the only times at which the
vast majority of the clan shows up and gets to introduce new members;
husbands, wives, children, etc. The funeral is a clan event. I was
raised strict Catholic - beaten when I didn't go to Mass or if I
questioned priests, and forced to learn and live by Catholic morality.
As I became more anti-Christian with time, I devised a little ritual
which I perform whenever I enter an RC church. I always do this ritual
now and my clan expects it: I enter last and as I walk in through the
front door (which becomes the back door once you are inside), I do the
opening gesture of 'Star Ruby' ("Apo Pantos Kakodaimonos"). Secondly, I
insult the priest if he is nearby. This doesn't happen too often as the
local priest where most of my clan resides knows me all too well, and
quickly gets out of range whenever I enter his church. He cannot stop
me; there is a law here that states that interrupting a ritual in
progress, of whatever denomination, is a criminal act! (Unless of
course, the ritual involves something horrific such as a human
sacrifice.) Which means that, as long as my ritual is done before or
after the Mass and does not interfere with it, they cannot legally
interfere with my ritual. Thirdly, I proceed to pay my respects to the
closest family members of the deceased, making sure they understand
that I am there out of respect for our common departed beloved and not
out of respect for the church. Fourthly and lastly, I return to the
back of the church where I "sit quietly" throughout the funeral ritual
that follows. I don't stand or kneel or in any way participate in the
necromantic and cannibalistic rite that is the Catholic Mass. When the
mass is over, I leave simply and without any fanfare. The real clan
meeting takes place at the wake. When Bill Breeze came to Montréal
for Mimi's RC funeral, he had absolutely no idea about what was to
going to happen. As far as I know, Bill never set foot in an RC church
before in his entire life and had no concept of what a Catholic mass
was all about. He was lost, so he followed my lead. He sat in the back
because that's where I sat! Sitting at the back of the church is "MY"
ritual! All the male OTO members present sat in the back, we on the
right side of the aisle and Alan (under suspension) was alone on the
left side of the aisle. The OTO women were in front with the family,
Eva was there and so was Mrs. Wasserman (James Wasserman's ex-wife, I'm
sorry I don't remember her first name.) Bill's seating location within
the church had absolutely nothing to do with any supposed animosity
between him and Bjorn. As for Mimi's family, from what I can gather,
they kind of liked Bill."PRK question: "My source says "Mireille [Mimi] had an
8-9 year old daughter, Emily, and a baby. Bjorn remained friendly with
Alan Stewart, and gave him her V° regalia, which Stewart began to wear
after he was expelled, and had a photograph of himself wearing it for a
newsletter that he made when the EGC was incorporated. He invited David
Poole to his elevation ceremony as 'Cardinal' of EGC, and threw Poole
and Robert Latulippe out of EGC because they 'ignored him'. He started
using the OTO lamen on his EGC letterheads, and reactivated a
registered name: OTO Registered, a 'production and publishing company'
claiming that his productions would include 'initiations' and that he
was now a IX°. He had been 'on suspension' since August 25 1990, with a
one year moratorium on all privileges and responsibilities."Latulippe: "I still hurt for "Émilie", she's the one who
found her father's body after he overdosed. She was broken and alone
when her mother died. Mimi's regalia, books and other OTO paraphernalia
were supposed to be part of Émile's inheritance. Bjorn didn't want
Émilie to have anything to do with OTO and got rid of anything remotely
related to the order. He didn't give the stuff to Alan out of
friendship, he did it to spite Bill, David Poole and myself. As for
Alan's EGC, (remember it was registered with an "ao", not incorporated)
I wrote to him concerning his church. I told him that Gnostic churches
did not have "cardinals" and that title was created by the RCs during
the middle ages for hierarchical purposes to establish a sort of
ecclesiastical nobility within the church. I told him the ground rules
of operation for any church. My attitude wasn't meant to be demeaning;
I felt that if he really wanted to play the church game, he should be
made aware of how to proceed. He felt I was insulting him and continued
the attacks on Poole and me."
[Simon commented: "All of them were acting a little paranoid,
considering the all-out war that was going on. I just watched from the
sidelines, trying not to become too involved. I didn't see the point,
thinking to myself at the time, 'What's all this to do with magick?' By
that time though, I started getting disappointed and frustrated with
all of it, and soon after stopped doing hardly any magick of my
own."]Latulippe: "I performed the Gnostic Mass approximately 125 to
135 times. I participated as part of the congregation at least 40
times. When Alan got suspended from OTO, I barred him from
participating in the mass with us. (I remembered the Deumié incident at
St. Marc's and wasn't about to repeat it!) That's when he began his
church games. I remember at one time he expelled me from his church.
Trying to explain to him that I was never a member of his institution
fell on deaf ears. He began sending Rob Davies (his G[rand]
I[nspector] G[eneral]) around to annoy us. Poole and I
just ignored him and prevented him from entering our premises. When
Davies tried to hand deliver letters, summonses, whatever, we applied
the Machiavellian principle written out in the 'Principatibus' of not
accepting them personally, send it by registered mail! Notwithstanding
his outlandish claims to fame, Alan was by this time becoming a
nonentity. As for his claims to the IX°, please excuse my
skepticism but Alan blurted out on several occasions what he considered
good or bad sexual mores. From these statements, I must assume that
Alan had no idea what the secret of that degree was! (I don't think I
can talk more about this.) Unfortunately, there is more to Alan's
story before his death. This happened way after Alan's expulsion from
OTO: he went to work drunk one night and lost his left hand in a metal
press."
[Leah commented: "Not that it's important, but it was his
RIGHT hand."]Latulippe: "He received a $10,000 compensation package which
he wasted on booze and drugs; he didn't have a dime to his name when he
died. His mother took care of his funeral. I don't know for certain, of
what religious denomination it was but I am willing to wager it was
Christian."
[Leah commented: "His mother died long before that in 1989. I
saw her a week before she died. I expect the Government paid for his
funeral."]PRK question: "My source says "Many people loved Mimi. One of
them was Robert Latulippe, 'Frater Julien', who is the EGC's wandering
Bishop for Québec. He also just happens to be a private investigator.
And he was suspicious of Mimi's death, as well a couple of others that
happened in or near Alan Stewart's place - for instance a neighbor of
Stewart's died and left all his papers to Stewart's group, 'Starry
Wisdom Oasis'."Latulippe: "I was a private investigator in partnership with
my brother XXXX for a short period; it didn't last because the
Canadian government changed the rules. We had to pay $5000 for a
license per year per operative. We had to pay through the teeth for a
$100,000 minimum insurance policy to cover our company XXXX.
We had to pay for special vehicle registration and special weapon
permits. To top it off, we had to pay taxes on all that, so we closed
shop. We worked mostly for big corporations that wanted to do
verifications of future employees: we checked to find out if they had
criminal records or any other problem which might cause the corporation
harm. Sometimes we investigated employee fraud - employees taking "paid
sick leave" to go on skiing weekends, or stealing corporation funds
and/or stock and/or property. I remember arresting a drug store
employee who would steal prescription pills to sell them on the black
market. Rarely, we would get involved in a divorce case. I have never
had any experience in investigating a murder. There are in my
opinion two suspicious deaths for which I think Alan is the primary
culprit, but I don't remember the order they occurred in. The first was
Mimi's death. During the 'Thelemic Coup d'État', when Deumié was on the
verge of collapse, Poole, Mimi and myself would meet 3 sometimes 4
times a week. We would be preparing for the transfer of power to Poole
as the new Lodge Master of 'Phoenix', setting things up so that David
would turn out as the apparent victor of the takeover. During this
time, Alan was also active in undermining Deumié, doing it on his own
and for his own personal agenda. But it suited our purposes perfectly.
He was also in contact with Mimi, almost on a daily basis. This is
when Alan became a sort of buddy with Bjorn. Mimi told me that he was
trying to convince her to support his bid to be the new Lodge Master of
Phoenix. It's like he really believed he had a chance. In the end, when
Deumié fell, Mimi sided with Poole and me and that was that! Alan was
really pissed off when Poole became Lodge Master. The smear campaign
against Deumié was now directed at us. Shortly thereafter, about 48
hours before Mimi died, Alan called me up to ask a favor: he wanted me
to locate a specific heroin dealer in Montréal. First, I didn't want to
have anything to do with Alan's dope dealings. Second, Alan knew better
than anybody who the drug pushers were in this city. Why ask me to help
him find a specific one? I flatly refused and in my mind, that case was
closed. Then Mimi died. It was a traumatic event for all of us here
at Phoenix. I know I was in shock for some time. Yes, I did love her;
no, I did not have an affair with her. Her death hurt me then, it's
still hurting me now. It was during the funeral that I got a very
powerful hunch. All the events of the past few days were churning in my
subconscious and question marks began appearing in my mind. I
approached Bjorn after the service - it was the first and last time I
ever spoke to him. I spoke casually, saying how sorry I was, but that I
had spoken to Alan not long ago, and that he had said that he had been
there only the night before and Mimi was supposedly all right. Of
course, I never had such a conversation with Alan. I wanted to draw out
Bjorn and get more info. What he said was that Alan had effectively
been there the night before she died but hadn't stayed very long. He
didn't know and didn' t seem to care why Alan was there. Everything
hinges on an autopsy report if drugs were involved in her death or not.
If yes, this is what I suspect: Alan was angry at Mimi for having
"betrayed" him in his attempt to take over Phoenix. He despised Poole
and me enough to not want Mimi working with us. He knew that without
Mimi we would be hurt. He knew Mimi had a drug problem. He went looking
for a specific drug dealer because (I suspect) he knew that particular
pusher had bad smack. He then brings her the dope which she uses after
he leaves . She ODs in her sleep. Alan had motive, he had means and
he had opportunity. I haven't seen the autopsy report; Mimi's parents
have. and they aren't crying foul. So I must shut up for now. I cannot
say with certainty that he intended for her to die, as her getting back
on smack would have served the same ends, but nonetheless if my
suspicions are correct, he was at least complicitous in her death.
The second case involves a young man who sub-rented a room in the
house Felicity Stephens owned. I don't remember his name and don't seem
to be able to locate my file on the case."
[Simon commented: "I think this is Bill Kennedy he's talking
about."]Latulippe: "So I will try to tell you what I know from
memory. At this time, Alan was shacking up with his new priestess,
Felicity. Her house wasn't new and looked like a perpetual construction
site. It had three floors and a basement and the stairway was a safety
hazard. How should I describe Felicity? Let's try this: she was and
probably still is an alcoholic, h*-w** *** (I'm being polite)."
[Simon commented: "I don't think he knew her very well. I got
to know her before she left for New Brunswick, and she's very nice, and
knowledgeable about certain things. Yes, she was alcoholic and that's
too bad. She could have made a good priestess, too."Leah
added: "She was smarter than most of the men in OTO. Familial
trait, her daughter went to Harvard at the age of 14. This was no
half-wit, trust me on this!"]Latulippe: "This young man did a lot of graphic design for
Alan's publications, churches and whatever Alan cared to come up
with."
[Leah commented: "He is confusing two stories here: the
'young man' who did the graphic work was actually their neighbour. He
died of suspicious circumstances, and all his papers, etc. ended up
with Starry Wisdom. I don't recall his name either."]Poole added in March 2002:
"Yes there are two stories here. One was Steve Godin, hes the
"artist"
and he lived in a room he built himself on the thrid floor, behind the
Temple room. He did a couple exhibitions at variuous places around town
like "Les Foufounes Electrique", and The Cafe Kabalah on Duluth, where
Alan had his Starry Wisdom reuinions after Felicity barred all his
"friends" from her house. The other, the one that died, is the "Bill
Kennedy" fellow Leah mentionned. Leah is also mixing up Steve Godin
with Paul Hebert, who was the neighbour that commited
suicide."Latulippe: "The story was first brought to my attention by
Michael Hoirch. After a cursory investigation, I discovered that the
young man had died in an accident, falling down the stairway and
breaking his neck. This is what the police reported."
[Leah commented: "Bill Kennedy, who was a good friend of mine
and Felicity's, had actually moved into the house to protect Felicity
from Stewart's beatings, and also because he needed a place to live. He
died in a fall down the stairs. He was not a 'young man': he was older
than all of us by about 4-5 years, closer to Felicity in age (she is
about 12 years older than me)."]Latulippe: "The story I had to pry out of Felicity is
different. It seems that Alan and the young man had an argument near
the man's room which was on the third floor. Alan pushed the young man
down the stairs where he broke his neck. Alan went up to him, kicked
him once, then walked away leaving the body there for nearly 3
hours."
[Leah commented: "I heard it was 15 hours, and from someone
who was there. Everyone went to sleep and left him there. He was still
there when they woke up."]Latulippe: "After this, Alan noticed that the man wasn't
moving, called the police, and reported the incident as an accident.
The only witness was Felicity Stephens, and her testimony is unreliable
- that is, if she testified. She was terrified of Alan and didn't want
to say anything against him. I doubt very much that anybody could have
gotten her in court. She finally ran off and is living somewhere in
Nova Scotia, still hiding from Alan."
[Leah commented: "New Brunswick, with her daughters. By the
way, she wasn't just a "priestess", she was a III°"]Latulippe: "The young man didn't have a will, so Alan just
seized his stuff and claimed it as his."PRK question: "Did you and Rose have a big "personality"
conflict?"Latulippe: "Are you talking about Micheline?"
[Leah commented: "No, Donna Parks (Jedwab?), a.k.a. Rose
Duann (Rose Dawn?), a.k.a. 'Little Donna' who went to England at
Breeze's behest to start up COTO there. They hate each other!"]Latulippe: "I didn't have a personality conflict with Eva
Micheline Rose Vallée, I had a Guernon problem. Micheline was my
priestess for some time and then Richard Guernon comes along, she dumps
me and leaves with him for New York City! What can I say? C'est la
vie!"PRK question: "It's claimed that you spent years compiling
charts for Breeze, which were were supposed to help the Caliph 'prove'
the COTO succession. Any further information?"Latulippe: "These charts were destroyed in the flood of July
14th 1987 e.v. They weren't complete; there were many holes in them,
many questions unanswered. Peter Cohen and I were roommates when we got
flooded out. We lost everything we owned, and wound up almost naked on
the street. I also had a new French translation of Liber AL completed
and was beginning the translations of the commentaries. They were lost
too and I just never started over."PRK question: "My sources say that Peter Cohen was Hoirch's
roommate at the time, on Sewell Street. Cohen's girlfriend (and magical
partner) was Sr. Eva (Micheline) who was then 'stolen' by you. Sr. Eva
then went to New York with Gernon, whom she married. Sr. Eva and
yourself were partners at EGC mass. as were Donna and Hoirch, with
yourself as the Deacon. What's your recollection of these
events?"Latulippe: "I didn't steal Micheline from Peter. In fact, if
the truth be known it was Micheline who made the first move on me.
There were many other EGC priestesses, Laura Simmons, 'Crazy' Ann
Seymour..."
[Leah commented: "This is interesting. Anne Seymour was a
very good friend of mine. She also knew Felicity very well, having gone
to school with her daughters. Anne has been institutionalised for many
years, on and off, as a manic depressive, for which she takes lithium.
It is a surprise to me that she was an EGC priestes, though I am pretty
sure she's slept with Alan at some point."]Latulippe: "...'Gordanna the Gypsy Queen', Penny Hore (yes,
that is her real name!), Marie Andrée Mandeville and about a dozen more
whose names I just can't recall."
[Simon commented: "There is a certain Luc Mandeville I've
heard of before."Leah added: "Marie Andrée - now I
have the name of my black guard, it was Luc Mandeville!"]PRK question: "Breeze was in Montréal illegally; someone in
the OTO turned him in to Immigration - he did not leave Canada
voluntarily. This is one version, but Breeze himself says that he got
caught sleeping with a politician's wife who then confiscated his
'Green Card' employment permit and ordered that he be deported.
Some say Michael Vaughn - who moved to Edmonton - turned Breeze in,
some thought it was Alan Stewart, others that it was you: "Black
Bishop" Latulippe, a.k.a. 'Mr. Scorpio' a.k.a. 'Agent 93'."Latulippe: "This is where I figure out that you are not a
Canadian. Let me clear something up right away: Canada doesn't have a
'Green Card'! It was Mimi's husband André Lauzon who turned Bill
Breeze in to immigration. Lauzon did it because he thought it would
save his marriage to Mimi. It didn't. I was later told by Breeze that
Michael Vaughn was André's informant, telling André where he could find
Breeze and what he was doing and with whom. I have no evidence of this
- but somehow I find it very easy to believe - especially in context of
what Mimi told me a few months before her death. Mimi confirmed
that her husband was indeed the guilty party. She mentioned, in
passing, Michael Vaughn's rôle. She also explained how I had
inadvertently played a part in the drama: it seems that one day while
acquiring some hashish from André, I said something by accident,
without thinking, with no malicious intent. I don't remember what it
was, but it only confirmed André's worst fears of losing Mimi. Their
marriage was already shaky, tensions were high and I was unaware of it
all. What I said acted as a trigger in André's mind and he went into
overdrive. It was not deliberate on my part and if it had been anybody
else but Mimi who told me about it, I would have disbelieved. It was a
clear case of brainlessly opening my big yap when I should have kept it
shut. 'Black Bishop'? I was "elected" to that title a few years
back. It's quite a little story, if you keep in mind that is was meant
as a complimentary joke! :-) My old friend Marc Desjardins was
traveling in the United States a while back and he spent some time at
the home of an American occultist. There then arrived other occultists
of some repute, according to Marc. He never told me who was there,
except that they were important, and once he let slip that Michael Bertiaux was
there. Well, these occultists were having quite a party it seems, when
one of them had the funny idea that the world was now ready for a new
Abbé Boullan. (A Belgian priest of the late 19th century who was
excommunicated for having performed Satanic masses and spectrophilia,
the first 'Black Bishop' as opposed to the 'White Bishop', or the
Bishop of Rome, or the Pope.) They debated as to who would be the most
suited amongst them to be the world's next 'Black Bishop'. Marc
Desjardins stood up at this point and said: "I know the perfect
candidate!" So I was nominated without ever being in attendance. Well
they debated some more to be sure I had the required qualifications. (I
don't know what the qualifications are. Please remember that these were
initiates getting their kicks out of a performing a mock conclave to
elect an anti-pope.) I got elected! Marc came back from the US with a
huge shit-eating grin and gave me the good news. Voilà! This
though, was not the same kind of joke as 'Agent 93'; that was Alan
Stewart's attempt to smear me. The 'Black Bishop' title, although given
with humour and accepted with such, was meant as a compliment, applause
from other initiates, a show of respect. I like the title... let's be
honest, it flatters my ego... I have adopted it... it has become my
'Nom de Guerre'! With regards to 'Mr.Scorpio', I don't know where that
one comes from, never heard it before. Could you please elaborate? (I
must admit that I am a scorpio, being born November 11)."PRK question: "David Poole claims that "the 'Caliphate'
O.T.O. in Canada has three so-called 'shit files'. 1: Robert Latulippe
(source of the marzipan bought with OTO funds story), 2: Alan Stewart
(Cardinal! EGC) Starry Wisdom, 3: Wytchwood Hill: Michael
Hoirch."Latulippe: "The marzipan story: I heard David flipped when I
shot that letter off to Grand Lodge. Let's get things straight from
the start. I don't make wild accusations. I may have suspicions and
state them as suspicions; suspicions are not accusations. Accusations
are serious things and when I do accuse, I am very specific as to the
nature of the crime and to my capacity to prove my statements. The
marzipan story is an accusation which I still maintain."
[Leah commented: "Well I guess so, he was usually in the car
when Poole went to buy the stuff!"]Latulippe: "Now, OTO "IS NOT" involved in any of this, there
is to my knowledge no drug trafficking going on in the order. What I
did see was one member of OTO use money received as dues for some
Minerval initiations done earlier that evening, and buy marzipan for his
personal use. I saw him do this at least twice - no more than three
times. The amount I saw exchanged did not amount to more than about
$150 total. The member claims that he reimbursed the money from his
paycheck later that week; thus he didn't use OTO funds. What the member
fails to comprehend (or is it deliberate?) is that between the time he
received it to the time he reimbursed it, the money wasn't his!"Poole in March 2002:
"The only reason he would say this was to try and get
me expelled from the Order. The figure of $150.00 is mentioned because
that was the amount of his share of the rent, that I may have had on me
when we visited his "friend". I never used $150.00 for any purchase of
anything whatsoever. If I took $25.00 out my pocket for my purchase of
canaxxx it was my business and no one else's. Latulippe had even
bounced a check made out to the Order for his portion of the rent and it
became an ordeal to get his portion on time, that was one of the main
reasons I decided to put a term to the lease on the Templar Center. He
refuses to admit ever any wronging or not fulfilling his part of our
agreements, but the hard evidence proves otherwise. He has tried to
spread rumors, that those with an ax to grind are more that happy to
amplify upon (i.e.. Leah), but ultimately it didn't get him
anywhere."Cont. Latulippe: " Alan Stewart should be deleted from the 'shit' files. I haven't
seen Michael Hoirch in several years. I'd really like to know what he's
up to. I don't know why he should be on the 'shit list', but I do know
that for a time he did have a priestess who did not endear herself with
Grand Lodge."
[Leah commented: "Me and my infamous letter(s) to Heidrick,
that 'I do NOT want to be reinstated! Take me off your book catalog
mailing list!' I suspect. Or the long one I wrote to Breeze about my
I°?"]Latulippe: "I remember a letter from Bill Heidrick to David
Poole concerning this person, where he "refuses to comment further on
her canine femininity."
[Simon commented: "I think I know who Heidrick is talking
about - he's just an obnoxious sexist twit!"]Latulippe: "There is one historical note about 'Phoenix' you
might like to know. Something beautiful, something ritually graceful
and poetic, something seductively thelemic. It is something that sets
'Phoenix' apart from any other OTO group of any affiliation. (As far as
I know and Bill Breeze confirmed this.)"
[Leah commented: "So the revisionism started here, right at
the beginning. But by 1985 they were doing something else entirely...
and on and on and on..."]Latulippe: "When Grady did that first batch of Minervals in
June of 1981 e.v., he added an extra officer to the initiatory ritual.
The effect was phenomenal at Phoenix, and we've kept the tradition in
our initiations (whenever possible) ever since. An initiation at
Phoenix, if done in accordance with this new tradition has as officers:
Saladin, the Wazir, the Black Guard, and the Scarlet Woman. A female
initiate fulfills the role of Scarlet Woman. She wears a scarlet robe
or gown. She stands behind Saladin with her hand on his shoulder. She
smiles seductively at the candidate. If no female initiate was
available, we went without. She didn't say anything, she just stood
there and welcomed you into beauty. During the many initiations after
the first batch, it was Mimi who served as our Scarlet Woman."
[Simon commented: "Yeah, this is beautiful, but what if the
novice is a woman? Or a gay male, for that matter?"Leah
added: "Québec revisionism. I told you Québec is a matriarchal
society! I do not see how The Scarlet Woman (a Christian concept) fits
in with Saladin and the Oasis, but, oh well..."]Latulippe: "There you have it very much in a nutshell. It's a
very condensed version of the nearly 20 years of OTO in Québec. The
movers, the shakers and the losers. It was actually an interesting if
sometimes painful experience, looking back at an important part of my
life. So much life and so much death. I hope you got the info you
required..."

THE BLACK BISHOP EXPLAINS

Latulippe: "Here are a few more answers for you, to clarify
certain little questions."PRK: "Deumié allegedly says he won his court case because he
made the I° Masonic sign to the judge! Deumié showed up in court
dressed in his OTO robe, and pleaded his case; in the meantime, he was
making the Masonic Apprentice's sign (or his version of it?) at the
judge. The judge hears the other side's case, then accepts what Deumié
said, and decides in his favour."Latulippe: "I heard from either Michael Hoirch or William
Lento that the judge ultimately did find in Deumié's favor, but that
was because of some problems in the arresting officer's report. I've
seen this happen before in other unrelated cases. I also heard that
when Deumié did his little show, the judge asked him if he was trying
to impress the court. The judge wasn't impressed by the robe or the
sign. As for the sign, I doubt that it was correct. Deumié was never
able to do them properly and often got them mixed up. So it probably
WAS 'his' version. It is very unlikely that the judge, were he a
Freemason, would have recognized it."PRK: "You said "Alan Stewart (recently deceased of a heart
attack)..." I heard it differently - he fell down the stairs (while
drunk?), and that's when he died."Latulippe: "I am very certain that the person that died in a
stairway was not Alan. As to the details of Alan's death, I must refer
you to a brief Email I received from David Poole shortly after the
event on 24 October 1999:Poole: "I've just received word that Alan Stewart died a few
days ago from a heart attack. His funeral and burial have been
done."PRK: "You said "The second case involves a young man who sub
rented a room in the house Felicity Stephens owned. I don't remember
the young man's name and don't seem to be able to locate my file on the
case." I think this is Bill Kennedy you are talking about."Latulippe: "The name "Bill Kennedy" does ring a bell.
Unfortunately I still can't find my file on the case. It's probably in
my brother's possession... I'll have to check. As for Mr.
Kennedy's age. I never met the man, I only heard of him after his
death. I never asked how old he was, I didn't think it was relevant. I
called him a "young man" out of politeness. (Hey... I call my
grand-mother a "young lady" and she's over 80 years old!) I also know
that at the time of his demise, he was residing at Felicity's place. He
had to, or Alan would never have been able to lay his hands on the
guy's stuff. If there were a third suspicious death, I am unaware
of it."
[Leah commented: "No one ever said three! But actually there
were, come to think of it. 1) Mimi; 2) their neighbour, the young man
who did all the work, etc., who died, and Alan and Felicity kept all
his papers, etc. 3) Bill Kennedy, who was my friend, and Alan kept his
possessions as well, except a pocket knife, I think. All right about
the same time. Only Bill Kennedy actually died in the house. Hoirch
knew him too, he was 3 years ahead of Hoirch in High School, Loyola
High School (run by Jesuits)."]PRK: "I am informed that Felicity Stephens didn't go to Nova
Scotia, but New Brunswick, with her daughters. And that she wasn't just
a 'priestess', she was a III°."Latulippe: "Sorry, an honest mistake, let's just say she left
for the 'Maritimes'! :-) But it is true that she did receive OTO
initiations. There was a time when Alan had a charter to initiate
within his Starry Wisdom Church, renamed 'Oasis' for the purpose.
Felicity got initiated under the ægis of Alan as Saladin. I remember
this because Alan was short on officers and asked Mimi to help him out.
Mimi then asked me to help her help Alan and I accepted. I don't
remember what degree she was taking."
[Leah commented: "She was taking the III°, because I was
waiting outside the temple while the initiations went on."]Latulippe: "Surprisingly, Alan was sober at that moment, but
something was definitely wrong with Felicity."
[Leah commented: "Latulippe wasn't sober either. I actually
witnessed him drink a whole bottle of red wine - something unusual for
him by the way - just before the ritual. Hoirch's III° was also done
the same night. None of them was sober."]Latulippe: "I remember cracking up in hysterical laughter in
the middle of the ritual because; 1) Felicity could barely stand - Mimi
and I had to hold her up - I don't think she was drunk, I think she was
on some kind of medication."
[Leah commented: "That's not what I witnessed. Someone
dropped one of the weights onto Felicity's foot, and she had to leave
the Temple to go see to her foot for a while! Robert remembers that she
couldn't stand, but he does not seem to remember why. So how stoned or
drunk was he then? I remember after the ritual he went upstairs and
passed out - literally. So did Hoirch. The medication may well be true,
as this lady had severe health problems, and was about 58 years old at
the time."]Latulippe: "2) She kept criticizing everything in the ritual:
how this was wrong, or what did that mean, or "I'm not going to say
that"... 3) She began having arguments with Alan about things that had
nothing to do with the initiation. I thought that the whole proceedings
were nothing more than a farce and wanted to put an end to it. Alan had
to interrupt the initiation and explain to Felicity that she had to get
her act together if she wanted to continue. Mimi had to convince me to
stay as I was about to walk out. In my personal opinion, the initiation
was a waste! To my knowledge, Felicity was never initiated in OTO,
outside of Starry Wisdom. I am adding this little paragraph just
before sending you this. I just remembered that Felicity's initiation
described above was her first degree. Phoenix gives the candidate the
choice between two flags for the purpose of that initiation, Canada or
Québec! Felicity gave us some grief when she insisted on using the
anarchist's black flag. If I remember correctly, Alan let her use
it." [Later, Latulippe added:
"First of all, by her own admission, Leah was outside of the temple...
how could she have "witnessed" something that occurred in
temple?"Leah: "Felicity came out limping and I helped her to the
bathroom, then she went back in. She told me the weight had been
dropped on her toe, but after an examination we thought it wasn't
broken, so she returned to the temple. —
concur, I agree that what he says is probably accurate about
exhaustion, it is a long time ago, but I do remember her leaving the
temple and saying the weight had been dropped on her foot, because I
was very concerned about whether or not anything had been "broken"."Cont. Latulippe: "Second, was I stoned? Most probably! Was I
drunk? Doubtful! My parents are alcoholics... (my mother was... she
died August 31st 1999e.v.) Because of bad childhood experiences I
rarely drink. It does happen and sometimes I do get drunk. I am so
"unaccustomed" to alcohol that a small quantity will get me inebriated!
Also, you must take into consideration that I didn't want to be
there... I was doing Mimi a favour. I worked the night shift in those
days and had been up all day (when I should have been sleeping) waiting
on Stewart and company to get their act together and proceed with the
initiations. So I did pass out afterwards... I was exhausted!!! I
probably did drink some wine... but a whole bottle??? Puuuu-lease,
gimme a break!!! If my memories of the event are muddled, it's due to a
combination of factors including the passage of time!"]
[Leah commented: "Wrong! She took her Minerval at Phoenix.
She took her first at Phoenix, with Breeze as her initiator. I was
there when she had an argument with Bill Breeze about the flag of "her
country". She was an expatriate Brit and an anarchist, and actually
convinced them to use the black flag she brought with her. The same
black flag was used at my first, by the way; I'm an expatriate too!
Actually, I had no choice. All they had at Starry Wisdom was the
Canadian flag and the black flag."]Latulippe: "Also when we had gathered at the restaurant for
the agape which should have followed and should have been paid for by
the candidate, she ran out on us, leaving us with the bill."
[Leah commented: "That was at the Café Thélème. Because of
her pancreas problems, she was unable to digest food, and lived mostly
on milk, and soup. Maybe that is why she didn't stick around?"]PRK: "On Alan Stewart and the euthanased cats, my source says
"The story is much worse than that, though this was the story Alan
told. He conned Felicity into giving him some money to get some heroin
to put the cats to sleep - they were both very very old, and had a
fatal virus. She gave him the money, he bought the smack, and then he
took the smack. The cats actually died of slow starvation, dehydration,
etc. which took about two weeks."Latulippe: "I didn't know this. You are correct, it is much
worse! Strangely enough, it does sound very much like Alan."PRK: "Any information about about Marie Andrée Mandeville the
EGC priestess, and Luc Mandeville?"Latulippe: "Luc and Marie-Andrée Mandeville were married (or
at least living together for quite some time)."
[Leah commented: "Luc Mandeville was the 'Black Guard' at my
Minerval."]Latulippe: "I would often have couples perform the mass as
priest and priestess while I officiated as deacon. I thought it to be a
more 'acceptable' (?) to the members. Especially if you consider that I
have never performed or participated in a 'savage' mass. My priestesses
were always nude on my altar. I don't want to offend anybody by saying
this - a woman is the perfect symbol for beauty, love and life.
(Consider the RC mass where a small bone, a relic of a Christian saint,
is placed inside the altar instead.)"PRK: "My source commented: "Anne Seymour also knew Felicity
very well, having gone to school with her daughters. Anne has been
institutionalised for many years, on and off, as a manic depressive,
for which she takes lithium. Was she really a an EGC
priestess?"Latulippe: "I must admit that this event was not one of my
finest moments. I try to keep the details of it quiet. I met Ann
Seymour at Alan's place. She was supposedly working magick with him in
those days (so said Alan). It was during that time that Alan and I were
routinely stealing one another's priestesses. That's what happened with
Ann. I must confess that Alan probably got a good laugh at my expense,
he knew what I was getting into whereas I had absolutely no idea! He
was setting me up. She was under medication and that's why she didn't
seem abnormal at first. It didn't take that long for me to realize that
Ann was not an adequate priestess, but by then it was too late. Ann was
not a manic depressive, she is a schizophrenic: her alternate
personality calls herself 'Samantha Shackter'. I did not like Samantha.
I remember the last time I had sex with Ann. She did a personality flip
on me and I suddenly found myself screwing Samantha who began yelling
and insulting me and trashed my apartment. I threw her out and never
worked with her again after that. Michael Hoirch told me some time
afterwards that she had been institutionalized. I just didn't care
about her anymore and brushed off the story. We didn't call her "Crazy
Ann" for nothing!"
[Leah commented: "Not only have I worked as a volunteer with
the mentally ill, but I also know Anne and her family very well; she
lived with me at one point. She was diagnosed as manic depressive, and
for this she took Lithium and Chemadryn. Robert's just showing his
ignorance about 'split personality' being associated with
'schizophrenia'. I am appalled that anyone would USE someone diagnosed
as mentally ill, who actually has spent a good part of her life in
institutions, as a 'priestess'. I never heard this from these people
before."]PRK: "My source commented about your addition of a Scarlet
Woman to the officers at your Minerval initiations "What if the novice
is a woman? Or a gay male, for that matter?"Latulippe: "'No Discrimination!' We didn't care about the
candidate's gender or sexual orientation. "Every Man and every Woman is
a Star". They all got the Scarlet Woman, at least when we had a Scarlet
Woman. It was the symbol that was important here, NOT the sexual
preference of the candidate."PRK: "My source says your 'personality conflict' was with
"Donna Parks (Jedwab?), a.k.a. Rose Duann (Rose Dawn?), a.k.a. 'Little
Donna' who went to England at Breeze's behest to start up COTO
there."Latulippe: "Donna Parks, also known as 'Donna the Red'
because of her fiery red hair, was the High Priestess of my Wicca
Coven."
[Leah commented: "It sure wasn't his Coven, it was
Hoirch's."]Latulippe: "I don't recollect any personality conflict with
her. We did argue once concerning initiatory dates within the coven,
not OTO. As far as I can remember, that was it. I recall that before
leaving for England, she had asked me to put in a good word for her
with Bill Breeze concerning an attempt to establish a 'Caliphate OTO'
in that country, which I did. After she left for Europe, I lost contact
with her."
[Leah commented: "Yeah, right (!) She was a V° when she left,
that's what I heard from Hoirch. Robert Latulippe was not."]
[To this, Latulippe commented later: "I didn't know that
Donna was a V°. So how could I be jealous of her? I'm not a degree
chaser, never have been. Titles and degrees have no value if they are
not backed up by content! I am quite happy to be doing my little magick
alone in my corner, I see no need to bedazzle others with things that
do not concern them."Leah: "I should have said "I was told she was a V° by Michael
Hoirch" because who knows what the truth is, it turns out a lot of
things that Michael told me were not even vaguely true, but no need to
get into that here and now."Cont. Latulippe: "But, on the other hand, if people think
they can use that against me, put me on the sideline and hope that I
will just go away... they are in for a nasty surprise! If I am being
pissed on, I want to know why and the explanation better be damned
good!!! Bill Breeze owes me a lot of answers!"Leah: "Bill Breeze owes EVERYone a lot of answers...."Cont. Latulippe: "Regarding the Coup d'État
against Deumié, I thought that maybe Poole would have been happy to
reveal details of it to you. But after reading your correspondence with
him I must conclude that Poole will not talk about it and if he does,
it will be skewed! So I will tell you a bit more about those events,
especially about Poole's role in them! Now an interesting question
arises as to the famous coup; such as how did we succeed in getting
Grand Lodge to recognize the new administration? That was the beautiful
part of the plan and it worked perfectly! Several years ago, Bill
Breeze had told me what he was looking for in a Lodge Master. He even
gave me an example by mentioning an American politician. I don't
remember the politician's name and it isn't important to the case at
hand. What is important is that I realized that Breeze wanted an image!
It wasn't important to Breeze if the Lodge Master knew anything about
magick, he only had to be a good looking diplomat. When the time came
to move against Deumié, Mimi would deal with the OTO outside Québec. I
would deal with OTO in Québec and all Poole had to do was look good! Of
course, Poole is far from being a diplomat... but Mimi and I thought
that we could compensate for that fault with our own capacity to deal
with the problems. We were supposed to be a team! Mimi couldn't become
Lodge Master as Breeze didn't trust her in a high position after she
left New York. Bill told me this himself. I knew that Bill didn't trust
me, I don't know why, maybe because he thinks I'm too political, so I
knew I had no chance to become Lodge Master. That's when I gave Bill
Breeze what he wanted an image, an illusion, a squeaky clean suburban
bourgeois David Poole! Bill bought it! Hook, line and proverbial
sinker! I love fishing... In retrospect, I must admit that I "shafted"
a lot of people in OTO; I shafted Robert Deumié but won't apologize for
it... It was necessary! I shafted Alan Stewart but won't apologize for
it either... It was vindication! I shafted David Poole but I definitely
won't apologize for that... Poole was a "front-man" that got power
hungry. He needed an education! I apologize to the Phoenix members for
having imposed Poole on them... but then consider the alternatives! I
apologize to Leah... I paid her dues!"Leah: "I am really glad that is clarified. BTW I also learned
that Poole (or Robert) HAD actually given Hoirch money for the Stélé,
Hoirch never told me he got the money, or passed it on, so I thought
that he had never been paid for it, which is why I tried to take it
back (it had been given to me originally by Hoirch, and then he
convinced me to let David buy it, and David would supply wood and he
would paint a replacement for me, he never did.)"Cont. Latulippe: "I had a good job then and used my
surplus money to help other members pay their dues and initiations. I
couldn't let Poole know I was doing this or he would have expected me
to pay more and more while he paid less and less. That was
unacceptable. I would give the money to the member and they would use
it to pay OTO. (Now imagine how I felt when I saw him use this money to
buy his nose candy!!!) I also apologize for Leah's dilemma with Grand
Lodge. Poole had already cut me out of that loop and I didn't know what
was really happening. All I got from Poole on that subject was bits and
pieces. If I had known, I would have put an end to that problem real
fast. I also paid Michael Hoirch's dues, he knew I had paid hers! I
apologize to Soror Helena... In my opinion, she was an innocent
bystander caught in the middle of Montréal's magickal war. Over the
years, she probably got inundated with letters and phone calls
complaining about the situation at Phoenix. Most of it probably
"caused" by me. I apologize to Mimi... I can't help but think that if I
hadn't convinced her to aid me against Deumié, she would still be alive
today."Leah: "I felt the same way for a long time about Bill
Kennedy, whom I loved dearly, and who moved into the house to try to
prevent further assaults on Felicity by Alan Stewart, and then may have
been killed by Stewart because of this...I tried to take the blame on
myself for introducing him to Felicity in the first place, but I know
that Bill himself would have done what he did anyway, and that the full
responsibility or karma if you will, is with Alan, not me. I miss my
friend though....just as I don't blame Felicity, she had a good heart
too, and I still consider her a sister."Cont. Latulippe: "Thank you again for permitting me to
express myself... I have a lot of grief and frustration to let go of! I
find this to be therapeutical! I do learn my lessons, maybe not the way
those that teach me would want me to learn... but I do learn my
lessons!"]

MOOSEBUMPS

From: Robert Latulippe
To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch
Date: Thu, March 2002Latulippe: "
The publication of your article "Moosebump", brought back many memories
and actually caused me to see Mimi's ghost recently. It wasn't a real
ghost of course. It was a subconscious projection of the pain and grief
which I have kept bottled up inside for all these years. I was finally
able to release these emotions and properly grieve Mimi's loss! For
that, you have my sincere gratitude! If you don't mind, I would like to
add a few comments to your article. A final conclusion of sorts.
Starting with the photograph of the gang at the "Café Thélème", I
have attempted to identify some of the people there. The list
follows;
Standing, from left to right;
The woman in red unknown. The woman with her hand over her mouth
unknown. The blond woman w/white blouse is Gudrun, Deumié's wife. The
woman w/ blue blouse is Helen (?), the first woman initiated at
Phoenix. Behind Helen is the boyfriend she had at the time (I think).
The black woman is Mrs.Wasserman. Behind Mrs.Wasserman is François
Cartier. The man w/grey beard is of course, Grady. The head next to
Grady's, way at the top is Rob Davies (Larry Mintz). Just under Rob,
the man w/ glasses is Bill Whetstone."[We are going to meet
Whetstone again in Part VII]Leah: "This is the person that I took as Michael Hoirch,
Robert would know better than me, since he was there, but to me it
looked very much like Hoirch."Cont. Latulippe: "The black child on Bill Whetstone's
shoulders is Baby Wasserman. The woman w/ glasses and baby she is
holding both unknown."Leah: "I thought this was [S*** V***], who was Hoirch's
roommate at the time, and Peter Cohen's girlfriend, but I wasn't
sure"Latulippe: "Peter Cohen is positive that this is not [S*** V***]
and he knows [S*** V***] much better that I do."]Latulippe: "Just behind the woman w/ glasses is young
man w/ mustache unknown. The bearded man w/grey T-shirt is Michael
Ripple. In front of Michael is his wife Michele. The bearded man in
white was from out of town. Squatting, from left to right; The man in
blue shirt unknown. The man in red shirt unknown. Just behind them is
Bill Breeze. The man w/glasses and red shirt in background unknown. The
man w/ white shirt and brown vest Robert Deumié. Just behind him
w/ checkered shirt is Jean-Louis Rhéault. Just behind him, framed by the
doorway is Peter Cohen. The woman beside him is Béatrice (?). In front
of Peter and Béatrice is me. The woman beside me (she is going to be
very angry) I don't remember her name, I should! The bearded man just
behind her is James Wasserman. The woman w/blue T-shirt unknown.

Some members of M.M. (the real one) in Montréal have read your article
and have contacted me to tell me that 418 bookstore did not close down,
it was sold to a man named "Denis Klein". He was a "very important
person" in Montréal's french occult circles such as M.M. and the
Martinists. The store was renamed "L'Athanor" and it is through this
store that I came into contact with the Martinists in early 1977e.v. (I
am sure about the date as I was a "militant" for the Parti Québécois
(PQ) until just after it's election on November 15th 1976e.v. The PQ is
a political party here whose primary goal is the independance of
Québec.)"Poole commented: "Very interesting bit of information, I knew
the Athanor bookstore, I purchased quite a few things there. It was
facing a large church on St-Denis street. I traded a hardcover 1st
edition copy of Aleister Crowley's diaries (Tunisia) edited by Stephen
Skinner, for my first copy of The Golden Dawn, 1 volume hardcover by
Llewellyn Publications with the owner. Also I purchased a few copies of
a British magazine called "The New Equinox" there, by Morton Press, a
sort of cheaper edition of Sothis, I still have those. That store had a
lot of stock that had absolutely nothing to do with what 418 Bookstore
had, for instance locally produced magazines and booklets on yoga which
I still have ie. "Krya Yoga", etc... . As I mentionned, I later found a
lot of 93 Publishings' stock at bargain prices in various bookstores. I
don't know if "L'Athanor" bought some of 93's stock, but I can tell you
what was being sold in 418 was very limited. They mostly carried 93
Publishing, and Next Step Publications, they also had some Theosophical
Press, the Dover Editions of Budge like "Osiris", "Gods of Egypt",
"Book of the Dead", etc.., they had "The Secret Teaching of all Ages"
by Manly P. Hall, which was a book that really impressed me, also I
purchased "The Serpent Power", by Sir John Woodruff, in hardcover
there. One of my older friends had leant me "The Magical Revival" and I
wanted to aquire most of the books in his bibliography. They didn't
have much else, as they were really specialising in the 93 Current! I
still have a bookmark from l'Athanor, I liked it enough to keep it all
these years. The bookmark printed in dark blue ink on pale blue, has
Nuit arched over Hadit, if you need I can scan it and e-mail it to you.
So it is possible that Athanor bought the remainding stock from 418,
but that doesn't mean at all that they sold "418 Bookstore" to him. Why
wouldn't he have continued using the name? That would have been the
only purpose."Cont. Latulippe: "I am currently inquiring about the exact
date that Denis Klein acquired 418 bookstore and the cause and date of
the man's death. I will send these to you as soon as I get them! Also,
the Athanor was around for a couple of years before I became a
Martinist... which means that Klein probably bought 418 around
1974-75e.v. Just how old was David Poole when he claims that he orbited
around the place?"
Later, Poole answered: "Latulippe seems to be off by a year
or so, as I have mentionned already, I was 15-16, and quite aware of
the scene because my friends were 19-20 year olds. The copies of the
books I bought at 418 are signed and dated as follows: Heart of The
Master - December 1974 (published November 11, 1973 e.v.), a hardcover
copy of The Serpent Power - 1974 e.v., The Eye in the Triangle - August
1975, Magical & Philosophical Commentaries - December 1975 e.v. (it was
published September 23, 1974 e.v. 4:59 a.m.). The following were
probably purchased at the "Classics" bookstore on St-Catherine Street:
Gems from The Equinox - March 1976 e.v. (first edition 1974 e.v.),
Magic Without Tears - September 1976 e.v. (second printing 1973), Tao
Teh King - December 1976 e.v., XXXI Hymns to the Star Goddess
(undated), & The Magical Record of The Beast - April 1978 e.v. (1st
edition 1972 e.v.)"

******* POOLE'S DARK TALES *******

Poole: "Anything Leslie (Leah) had to say must be taken
within the context
that she is obsessed with a hatred of the OTO. She was never a member
of any importance (not to sound nasty) within the Lodge. She was always
thought of as slightly "off kilter" and in the last ten years she has
seemingly only gotten worse. She thinks she's very important by
repeating these half baked tales, but for those of us that know her,
and the situation here, at least realise it. It might be harder for
those of you that are removed from this to see all the angles, so I'll
try to give you my perspective. She is repeating the stories that
Robert Latulippe (who wants to leave his mark on the "history", but
must taken with a grain of salt also) spun for PR Koenig. I can tell
you a couple things. Alan Stewart wasn't ever in daily communication
with the Caliph, that is her fantasy. While the Caliph lived in New
York, I had his telephone number and so did Alan, we were fortunate
that the present Caliph had founded Phoenix Lodge here, and wanted his
local representatives to keep him abreast of developments. We
communicated on an "emergency" basis only. We also communicated with
Bill Heidrick for administrative reasons. In all the years I knew Alan
he never pulled out his rifle. That is from an oft repeated story, that
happened only once, when "Leah's" ex had borrowed the use of Alan's
Temple to perform the Mass. The Mass had been scheduled for 7:00 pm,
and when Alan came back from a pub at 10:30 they still hadn't finished
Alan then asked everyone to leave, and some people put up a fuss. He
then put on a "show" (a banishing Star Ruby with his Mauser), and
kicked everyone out. He never carried a bayonet that is stupid, and he
wasn't 6'4" either. He was a tall lanky guy maybe 6'2" 180lb with long
red hair. He didn't wear fatigues, that is silly, he most often wore
jeans and tee-shirts. Now as far as Latulippes story concerning Mimis
death, all I know is that it was "respiratory arrest". Mimi was 4'8"
and she must have weighed at least 200 lb when she died. A weak heart
probably gave out on her in her sleep. The fellow that died in the
Starry Wisdom headquarters fell down the stairs. They were all
alcoholics, this guy was one as well, I remember seeing him a frail and
unhealthy old man. The stairs were all warped and narrow in that old
house so it isn't hard to imagine that he fell and broke his neck as
the police report probably states. The neighbor (Paul (Mercava) Hebert)
that is mentioned in the story "that left his papers" to Alan, was a
junkie, and died of a planned suicide. The "papers" were one article
that Alan put in his magazine "Kisses of Nuit", an article that was
basically "filler" and nothing to do with anything, with the scraps of
paper he'd scribbled on. Bishop Richard Guernon, apparently had quit
"junk" cold turkey, but had lost his battle with addiction by starting
up shortly before his untimely overdose. These things happen to
individuals in all walks of life, not only members of the Order. To
insinuate any kind of conspiracy is lunacy. But coming from the
individuals who are bringing up these old stories it isn't surprising.
As far as Stewart beating his mate, unfortunately there is some truth
to that, but the reason she finally left had more to do with infidelity
than "abuse". I personally recommend you take everything "Leah" says
with a healthy dose of salt, any credence you give to their stories are
just stirring up muck, that we have to deal with
locally."

In January 2003, Leah:
"who does he think my "ex" was? i have never mentioned the name of my
"ex husband" (who actually was still legally my husband when i took my
minerval) nor did he have anything at all to do with cOTO, nothing, nada,
zip. i don't know where david gets his stories from, he certainly wasn't
around to witness the above even, haeh, neither was i for that matter!
anyway my "ex" wasn't involved, and was never a member of any magickal
order. i would just go with Latullipe's version since he was actually
there and witness to those events.
well i have heard many other stories about Alan, such as shooting off a
door knob, shooting rubber duckies in his bathtub (more than one was
involved in that i believe), shooting holes in his ceiling when he lived
on Claremont Ave. in Westmount, which ceiling just happened to be the
bedroom floor of a neighbour, who luckily was away at the time, except
that his water bed was "killed" by Alan, i was actually witness to him
wearing his WWI uniform (yes Latullipe is quite accurate about the WWI
army uniform, there was a film made in Montreal which is aka "Hollywood
North" and after the film he managed to pick up a number of these uniforms
which some people used for a while in something they called E.L.F. the
Erisian Liberation Front (for the goddess of discord, Eris), and Alan did
wear at least the jacket of his uniform when he went out of the house;
from what david wrote about "jeans and teeshirt" i believe he never saw
the man outside of Starry Wisdom hq! alan was also known as "the man who
wears funny hats in public" because at one time he wore an old fur hat of
his mothers, decorated with a string of pearls. mind you the city itself
is eccentric, as is that neighbourhood, and while alan might have been
noticed in the suburbs of laval, i am sure he caused no ripples at all on
St. Laurent St.
but digressing, one time there was a problem with one of my roommates who
was a dancer at a club called "Cleopatra", with the doorman, alan decided
to go and "talk" to the doorman (i think she was having a hard time
getting the club to pay her what she'd earned) and to accomplish this,
he dressed in his full WWI battle dress, and brought along his pellet
rifle. he actually strolled down St. Laurent St., a VERY busy main street
(also called "The Main") in broad-daylight, dressed in WWI uniform, from
about Pine ave to just below Ste. Catherine St., with this pellet rifle in
hand. my roommate got her pay. another time alan, drunk out of his mind,
came up to my flat which was only about two blocks north of his, and used
my walls for target practice. i saw him use the mauser once for his
performance of the "Star Ruby". this was a regular performance he did for
a while... he had at one time turned the third floor temple into a music
room, and some fairly well-known musicians would go there to "jam"
and invariably would be subjected to alan performing a banishing.
the thing that gets me, is that david was not around (i keep saying this!)
i used to live right up the street from alan and saw Caliphate members all
the time — we all lived within a VERY short distance of each other (like
4-6 blocks) — i lived "communally" but NOT with Caliphate members at
3977 Coloniale, it was a huge flat which i shared with several people. by
the time david appeared on the scene, most had scattered to the four winds
as it were. david assumes a lot, and probably garbles the stories he
did hear...one place i write he is "ten years" younger than me (for
instance) and he contradicts this saying it's only "seven years", well
right there on your site, he was born 1959, i was born 1949, in what
universe does 1959 less 1949 equal seven and not ten? the point is, i saw
the date he wrote "1959" and he does not know (or hasn't bothered to
access my application where 1949 is written down) but rather than saying
"i don't know", he makes something up... where did he get the "seven
years"? who knows? anyone care to guess! i just see so many little details
like that and i get really exhausted at the thought of correcting them,
except that it is *me* that david is talking about (and i can prove when i
was born lol! imagine, i could actually agree *with david* and shave three
years off my age, too funny)
i don't know it seems like it will take years to correct all these
silly details..."

CONCERNING "DARK TALES"

From: Robert Latulippe
To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch
Subject: Poole's Dark Tales
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002
I have received your forwarded message that Poole sent "I don't know
where...". After reading it I have had the following thoughts... I
"think" that David is attempting to gain credibility elsewhere on the
internet, probably thinking/hoping that he won't be contradicted. He's
probably trying to discredit an upcoming article of yours, that he
fears won't be flattering to his ego. He might also be asking for
support from outside Québec as he can't find it in Québec, with regards
to his version of the facts. He might be feeling pressure from higher
up. It might be a combination of things and it might be none of the
above... All I can really say, knowing David, is that we'll have to
wait and see his next move to get a clearer picture of what he's up to.
As for my motivations, I have attempted to maintain an unemotional
attitude while answering your questions and commenting on your
messages. I have tried to stay as truthful as I can sincerly remember.
There is obviously a lot that I don't remember and then, there are
secrets I would prefer to take to the grave. When I write to you, I
concentrate (or try to...) on OTO and related events as experienced
here at Phoenix. The argument between Poole and myself is part of the
story... but I don't want it to bec ome the focus of my naration.
There are things he wrote in that message that did make me jump
somewhat, other things he wrote brought back some lost memories.
Alan Stewart wasn't ever in daily communication with the Caliph, that
is her fantasy. Alan was "often" calling Bill Breeze. Alan gloated
about it and Bill did confirm it to me himself. In regards to the
Mauser and bayonet, let's talk about them for a bit... Alan did have a
bayonet, it was a vintage WW1 British bayonet. My great-grandfather
fought in that war and kept his bayonet as a souvenir. It is still in
the family today. I would play with it as a child, so I know what it
looks like, what it feels like and what it weighs like. The original
length of the blade was approximately 18" but Alan had shortened his by
a third and resharpened it. The blade still had a good 12" length. One
day in late 1981e.v., Alan and I had a discussion on how to perform the
"Star Ruby" bannishing. I proceeded to demonstrate my way of doing it,
then when it was his turn, he decided to impress me. He pulled out his
rifle and fixed the bayonet to it. He then did the Star Ruby with his
"combined" weapon. The Mauser wasn't loaded and he did no threatening
gestures while handling it in this instance. It was done as a
demonstration on the use of "his" magickal tools. Alan considered the
rifle to be his mag ickal wand and the bayonet to be his magickal
sword. He enjoyed the idea of combining them in ritual. This event
occured quite some time before the "gung-ho" incident I have described
to you previously. The story of the Mauser drawn during mass... I had
actually forgotten about that one! Alan had graciously let me use his
temple for saying the mass. We had been using it for some time, Alan
actually relished the idea that EGC was charging up his "Oratorium". I
had been very active in organizing the church in those days and on that
night, I had decided to take a pause, a well deserved break and stay
home to relax. It was the first time I would be absent from the mass
since we had started the celebrations. I had left the responsibility of
the evening's ritual to Michael Hoirch. All the needed officers would
be there, all needed materials (candles, wine, incense etc.) were there
to. He just needed to go in, say the mass and leave before Alan
returned. Being the local bishop for EGC, the report of what happened
that night fell into my lap the very next morning, followed by a call
by Alan, explaining his version of the events. Shortly after that,
Richard Guernon of NYC called asking of the situation. The story made a
big splash in less than 24 hours and I found myself in the middle of it
all! I had to deal with the situation personally, so I know more about
it than David does, who wasn't even around in those days. The story of
what happened that night is the following: Michael Hoirch decided to
say the mass with a new woman whom he considered priestess material. I
was not consulted. The woman had no training and never even seen the
mass performed before. Michael started training her that very evening
so that the performance of the mass was delayed. Alan had stepped out
to let the ecclesiastical team do it's thing. Alan admitted to having
gone drinking and returned much later, quite inebriated, to find that
the mas s was still going on. He got angry, pulled out the Mauser,
loaded it and aimed it at the Deacon's face! (This was Don Hackett I
beleive...) He kept it pointed there until all those present had run
away!
David Poole's version: "He then put on a "show" (a banishing Star Ruby
with his Mauser), and kicked everyone out."
Latulippe: I wouldn't call "threatening someone with a loaded weapon" a
Star Ruby, although I must admit, it was one "hell" of a bannishing! We
removed all EGC paraphenalia from Alan's temple that week. I have never
trusted Alan to do the mass after that, although I do know that he did
perform it on his own. Alan was never allowed to serve as an officer in
the mass in my presence. We ceased informing him as to the time and
location of all future masses, as we didn't want him present. He had
become "persona non grata" to many members of Phoenix. I am exactly
6'0'' tall. David is taller than me, I'd say 6'1'' to 6'2''. Alan was
definitely taller than Poole, 6'3'' at least! He was sometimes clean
shaven but mostly sported a mustache. There were times when he would
grow a thick red beard. His hair was red and was always worn long. He
weighed about 170 to 180 lbs. Tall and thin! He "sometimes" wore army
fatigues, more specifically a WW1 "PPCLI" uniform. (PPCLI = Princess
Patricia's Canadian Light Infintry) He had several of these and I
bought one (c omplete with cap and snake buckle sam brown belt) which I
still have today and use occasionally as a Holloween costume.
David Poole says: Now as far as Latulippes story concerning Mimis
death, all I know is that it was "respiratory arrest". Mimi was 4'8"
and she must have weighed at least 200 lb when she died. A weak heart
probably gave out on her in her sleep.
Latulippe: Mimi was a 4'8'' tall, blond bombshell! (i.e. a beautiful,
energetic and sexy woman). She was intelligent and magnetic. She was
also a Scorpio. She gained weight during her second pregnancy and was
overweight in the last year or so of her life only. It wasn't 200 lbs
though, Poole is greatly exagerating here. As for the rest of the
message... there isn't much to add. Maybe just to note that Poole
recognizes that there is "muck" in Montréal. I wonder who's going to
clean it up? As for conspiracies within OTO and Phoenix, I only
participated in the one against Deumié. I don't know or don't remember
of any other. Robert Latulippe

A SUPPRESSED DOCUMENT

Latulippe in January 2003:
"Concerning the document
"https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/letters/wb2.jpg"
which is in Deumié's
possession. To the fact I was never informed, you ask: "this is very
interesting. can you imagine why Deumié or Breeze never informed you
about your position in the firm? would it have changed things?"
I was recently informed by the Supreme Council that it was Deumié's
duty to inform me. The SC prefers that the Lodge Master do this rather
than themselves, so as not to insinuate a lack of confidance or trust
in their appointee.
Why didn't Deumié tell me...?
I don't know the reason, but I can guess, that Deumié wanted total
control over the lodge and resented any form of opposition. I noticed
this attitude with him when Poole and Stewart became officers of the
corporation. There might be other reasons, but I suspect this was the
primary one.
Would it have changed things? Hell yes!!! I could have maintained a
watchful eye on Deumié. I could have insured that the lodge remained
active and perform initiations rather than become stagnant as it did. I
would have been (as the american saying goes) breathing down his neck.
Deumié would not have been able to use the Order to scam poeple. I
would have made it quite clear that christianity had no buisness in
OTO. The members would have someone to confide in, who was by far
superior to Deumié with regards to Magick. And finaly, the coup I did
against Deumié later on, would probably have been unnecessary, which
means that the war between Poole and myself would not have occured!
Unfortunately, we are navigating here, on a sea of "what ifs" and
"could have beens". It's like Schrodinger's cat in the box!"

LEA'S FEAR

From: Leah
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003
Subject: [Aiwaz-Thelema] poole (sigh) can't help himself
i *was* afraid of Alan Stewart and his Mauser (AND Bayonet, just as
Robert LaT. describes it) but because of his hobby of getting drunk,
putting on the 1812 overture and shooting holes in his OWN ceiling to
punctuate the appropriate parts in the symphony, the police confiscated
it and all his other weapons.
an Alan Stewart armed only with a knife and so drunk he couldn't stand?
almost anyone could disarm him — just with the strength of their will
--... but he was potentially very dangerous with a rifle.
damn this is sordid stuff. :-(
anyway, there were some fairly decent people in cOTO, like i wrote many
times, they tended to leave RIGHT AFTER their Minerval...

OOOOPS

...AND WE GET TO MEET LARRY MINTZ aka Rob Davis

It was Mintz who sent this message around in October 1999

Subject: sad news
Hi Eric & Leslie,
Sad news. Alan Stewart died last Tuesday. He apparently slipped on the
fire escape stairwell. He was found dead with head in a pool of blood
at the bottom of the stairwell. Probable cause of death, broken neck.
Michael Hoirch has been notified and the whole Grand Lodge knows as he
has related this fact to me.
I thought you should know, since at one time you were his friend. You
at least deserve that much.
Ciao,
Rob
January 2001

PRK: "Hi. I am writing an article on the development of the
various O.T.O. groups in Canada. I heard that Alan Stewart fell down
the stairs and died. Others say that he died from a heart attack. Which
one is true?"Larry Mintz: "First, how did you get this email address? He
fell down the stairs accidently [sic] and hit his head on the
concrete and died. I was in his group the Church of Starry Wisdom. I
performed the Mass of Chaos amoungst [sic] other
things."

After publication of the First Edition of the Moosebump:
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002
To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch
From: Leslie
We talked to Laurence Mintz (his real name) aka Rob Davies aka "Azoth"
on the phone this morning. (he is an artist, his website:
http://pages.citenet.net/users/kabir/portfolio.htm [defunct]
He is the one who sent you the photo of "Heather" and one of the three
EGC officers with Alan Stewart. [You find this photo via the Intro Page]
Hoooly do I ever have enemies, and does the Califate not want anyone to
read your site. All sorts of rumours are flying around this city, so we
encountered quite a bit of resistance there. The rumours all seem to be
coming from a central "source" which is Poole, Hoirch, and that Adam
fellow from the cOTO in Texas.
However (he was in the Isis group too at one time) (and in the end he
was about Alan's only friend)
1) all Alan's papers are gone (probably his landlord threw them out,
since he had no living relatives), this includes all his paintings and
photographs too;
2) Rob does still have copies of the "Kisses of Nuit" magazine that
Alan produced, he will give them to us, BUT if they are used (and he
did some writing in them too) he insists that each writer holds the
copyright for his/hir own work and we must obtain individual
permissions if we republish (fair enough, except for the people we
can't find?)
He seems to have only the "Kisses of Nuit" left...we'll try to get them
and send them off to you.
He also knew nothing about Lama Jumpa or the FS. He cares nothing at
all for cOTO or EGC. He won't contact you, as he seems to believe
whatever the Califatos have told him, with Poole, who knows what that
might be at this point...I think he will give me the material because
he cares so little about it, and I convinced him it might be
interesting to archive it for "historical" reasons....
Leah
Mister Mintz himself
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003
From: Larry Mintz
Herr Koenig
I stated first:
I was in his group the Church of Starry Wisdom. I performed the Mass of
Chaos amoungst [sic] other things. In my post to you I replied that I
had performed this rite to heal a sick teacher and my auntie. You put
[sic] into my statement. I wish you to retract this remark. You did not
know why I performed the rite other than the fact I did perform it. He
fell down the stairs accidently [sic] and hit his head on the concrete
and died. Yes, this is how Alan Stewart died. He tripped over a large
plank of wood that kept his cats within his 'balcony area'. He was
probably tired from a hard days work. So why is this [sic] ? My
understanding of the usage of this term is anything but pleasant.
Before I continue, do you understand what I have written ?
To continue on,
Leslie Childress states " He also knew nothing about Lama Jumpa or the
FS"
She went babling on about the so called papers that she found on some
website showing just an association. I was acting incredulous to this
bit of information, though a bit interested. If this bit of true info
is true,fine,so she had found one fact that I didn't know about him.
Though I knew things about him that I believe Leah could not have
known. My attitude towards the whole is "whoopdee doo"
These are some facts you might find amusing. The first fact, if true,
was given to me by Michael Black. Lampa Jampa(Carlos) was an associate
of Timothy Leary. Apparently Timothy Leary stole some of his research.
Personally, I find it hard to believe.
The second fact less spectacular is 100 % verifyable, not by the OTO
but by someone from the Temple Buddhiste Tibetan. They showed up at the
Temple doors I guess in the early to mid 1980's to "show off their
prowess" The members of Temple were not impressed by Lama Jampa or the
rest of thier crew.
Yes I know of the existence of the F.S.
He cares nothing at all for cOTO or EGC. He won't contact you, as he
seems to believe whatever the Califatos have told him, True for cOTO.
False for the EGC. Obviously,I am speaking to you, so that is crap. The
statement about the Califatos is crap.
I think he will give me the material because he cares so little about
it, and I convinced him it might be interesting to archive it for
"historical" reasons.... Leah
She can dream. I am sure she has ulterior motives for looking at them.
One fact that is assertainable, what Poole stated about Leslie is
absolutely true. I don't personally like the man all that much. His
knowledge of Childress is 100 % correct. She sees things through
pychedelic glasses.
In general: Most of OTO's view of me is/was crap. There are few people
who had a "bead" on me. One was Alan Stewart. Latullipe I like to a
certain extent. He knew me a bit. But this was a long time ago. I am
not the same person as I was.
Nice speaking to you. About the time you contacted me I was going
through a rough time so I really was interested in talking.
Later
Mr Mintz

BACK TO PEPPERMINT'S CHURCH

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002
From: David Poole
To: "Peter-R. Koenig"
Subject: "Bobby Bishop"
Poole: "Peter, thank you for forwarding the comments from
Robert Latulippe. My comment on the issues that he brings up are as
follows: I'll ignore the swipe he takes at my French and English,
and his repeating of his sordid accusations."Latulippe: "Concerning the language issue, I will let the
facts speak for themselves and won't start a political flame war on
this site. I want to talk about OTO so let's concentrate on the "sordid
accusations" Poole mentions. I must assume that he knows that I sent
you a copy of my letter of grievences and is attempting to discredit
it. I will only add that some of the grievences in that letter may
sound petty, but that was because I was very angry with Poole.
Nonetheless, they are far from being sordid and I still maintain the
accusations contained therein."Poole: "That brings us to the next point he makes concerning
my being made the Caliphs Representative. This had absolutely nothing
to do with Latulippe. He doesn't know the full story which is as
follows: the Caliph and I had been corresponding for a couple of years
since I had put out a newsletter independently from any body. I had
started this as a member of Starry Wisdom Oasis. I then applied for a
Charter to form a Camp, which was granted unto me as Camp of Our Lady
Nuit. (After a short while Starry Wisdom Oasis' charter was revoked by
the Supreme Council because of the letter writing campaign engaged upon
by both Starry Wisdom and Wytchwood Hill.) I wanted to advance to
II° and Robert Deumié was stalling, apparently due to the fact that
no OTO members were active in Phoenix Lodge anymore. I voiced my
complaint to Alan Stewart who phoned the Caliph in New York and said
something to the effect that "if the Lodge Master can't get initiations
together, why shouldn't we (Starry Wisdom) get our charter back? The
Caliph or Soror Helena called Deumié and gave an ultimatum, start
initiating or lose the Lodge. Deumie then contacted Robert Latulippe
and Michael Hoirch who assisted in my Consecration, this was in October
1989 e.v.. They then retreated from further activities once
again."Latulippe: "Exept with the "had absolutely nothing to do with
Latulippe" part, I have no problems with the paragraph above. I was
always available as an officer for initiations and Deumié knew this
well! I always answered positively to his request for aid in that area.
Where I did not help him was in attempting to use OTO as a means to
make a buck! I told him this to his face and he seldom called on me
after that..."Poole: "Although I met Latulippe for the first time then, we
then lost contact for a year or so. The Caliph then came to Montréal on
business in the spring of 1990 e.v. and held an emergency corporate
meeting of OTO QC Inc. Basically what happened is that because Deumié
had no active members on the board of directors of the corporation, the
Caliph himself appointed me as Treasurer, Alan Stewart as Secretary and
confirmed Deumié as President "Caliphs Representative" and
Lodgemaster."Latulippe: "Nobody wanted to help Deumié in those days but we
were willing to help Bill Breeze. Please note that Alan became
Secretary at this time. He used the position to steal, amongst other
things, OTO membership lists for his Starry Wisdom Church. Alan had
absolutely no respect for Deumié, considered him to be a sham. It is my
opinion that Alan at this time, sincerly thought that he would make a
better Lodge Master instead. Deumié was angry that he now had to deal
with Stewart on the board of directors."Poole: "The three of us then proceeded to make plans to
recruit new members (by making notices and holding public meetings),
produce a newsletter (Sous les Ailes du Phénix) and generally cooperate
for the good of the Order. Things fell apart rather quickly. Deumié
continued to represent himself as a Memphis-Misraim Mason, using the
OTO name only to attract customers for his Tarot readings, and
performing magical services for money. Stewart on the other hand "had
seen the writing on the wall" and was continuing, and even stepping up,
his efforts to popularize his Church of Starry Wisdom. Unfortunately,
Stewart used some of the Lodges petty cash to print posters for his
"Church of Starry Wisdom", got caught and Deumié blew the whistle on
him. This was the cause of Stewarts suspension."Latulippe: "Stewart had also used OTO funds to print up
Starry Wisdom newsletters and then used OTO funds again to send them
through the mail. And yes, this is why Alan was suspended. It is also
interesting to note that while Deumié was using OTO to scam people, he
flipped when he found out Alan was scamming the OTO! The war between
Deumié and Stewart was really heating up during this period."Poole: "And not long
afterwards, Deumié invited me and Frater Moderar Luminis to assist him
in a magical working in the basement Temple of the Café. When I arrived
there I found out that this wasn't just a piece of "experimental magic"
but rather a made to order ritual to increase some other gentleman's
business. What followed in Temple was a bastardized LBRP (omitting a
quarter entirely), and some loud yelling in Créole, IN THE NAME YHSHV
AND IN MY CAPACITY OF MASTER OF THE OTO.... brandishing a ceremonial
dagger and thumping the ground. Why he wanted me and Frater M.L. there
I cannot fathom, probably to give some air of legitimacy. Afterwards in
the café the gentleman thanked Robert and allegedly handed him a cheque
(this was told me by Frater M.L., he was absolutely certain that is was
a cheque.) We asked Deumié what that was about, and he told us that it
wasn't our business. I later passed by Alan Stewarts house and told him
what had happened. He called Soror Mimi, and she was very outraged and
suggested that Alan tell the Caliph about it. Later that evening I got
a phone call from Mimi asking for my side of the story and I told her
what had happened. She said Deumié will probably lose the Lodge over
this, and I asked her who would replace him. She said she didn't know.
I proposed that Alan should be made the next Lodge Master but she
indicated that the Caliph wouldn't got for that."Latulippe: "Here is where I begin having problems with
Poole's version of the facts... It is possible that David and I first
met at Deumié's for Poole initiation, but I honestly don't recall the
event. David did tell me this story though and I have no reason to
doubt it. It was later, before the events described in the above
paragraph, that I received an OTO letter through the mail with a
"Laval" adress. I was curious, walked over there, rang the doorbell and
when Poole opened, I said "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the
law". That's how our association began. (Poole lives 4.2 km a way from
my place... not 21 km as he states in your article.) The fact that he
had an encampment enthralled me as I did want to contribute to OTO, but
did not want to associate with Deumié! Poole was in need of money to
cover a debt contracted when he published his latest "Pan-Gaea"
magazine. He offered me a 50% share in the ownership of the publication
if I covered the debt for him. I accepted! We then began working in
ernest, preparing the publication of the next seasonal issue. We
published several editi ons of the magazine up until war broke out
between us. I also assisted him in his "book and oil" buisness by
accompanying him on his deliveries to his custumers. I helped him with
his chores about his house. Things were going very well in the
beginning. When the events decribed in Poole's paragraph above took
place, Poole and myself were together almost on a daily basis. We
shared all our information and all our connections. (It was only after
Mimi died that he began hoarding data and didn't want to share with
anyone anymore.) So I did know exactly what was going on when Deumié
and Stewart were at each other's throat! We would constantly talk about
it between ourselves. We visited other Phoenix members and s ounded out
the terrain around the situation. We organized around it. We
capitalized on it! When we went to see Mimi, we were always together.
And Mimi was important to the coup against Deumié as she, not Poole,
was the one who really had strong connections with Grand Lodge and the
Caliph! So now he says, and I copy the quote: "I proposed that Alan
should be made the next Lodge Master but she indicated that the Caliph
wouldn't got for that." There is something very odd with that
statement. Alan had just got caught with his hand in the kitty and
Poole wants us to believe that he still considered him trustworthy
enough to be the new Phoenix Lodge Master? He knew Alan had serious
addictions and was mentally unstable. Yet Poole feels that Alan should
have become the Caliph's representative in Montréal? Who does he think
he's kidding? Is this a joke?"Poole: "I then suggested that she take the position and that
Alan and I would support her, and that she wouldn't have much to do.
She said she'd think about it."Latulippe: "I didn't tell Mimi about what Bill Breeze had
told me and I knew she would ask Bill for the position. Bill confirmed
this when he came to her funeral. I also knew that she wouldn't get it.
Bill confirmed this too. I'm not angry at her for trying, I expected
it. It's human nature I guess. But it was me, that convinced her that
we had to get rid of Deumié. It was me, who proposed to Mimi that David
Poole should be the next Lodge Master. It was agreed that we would use
any valid excuse to demand Deumié's head. We wanted the takeover to be
legitimate. There was a war going on between Deumié and Stewart, errors
were being commited all over the place. A serious mistake by Deumié was
bound to happen sooner or later. And when it did, all Mimi had to do
then, was make one phone call!"Poole: "Late that night the Caliph called me and said that he
had spoken to Mimi, Alan and Soror Roe, and that the consensus was that
I would become the Caliphs Representative."Latulippe: "Excuse me? Again, Alan was under suspension for
misusing OTO funds. Why would Breeze consider his opinion as to who
should replace Deumié? Breeze also knew of the war between Deumié and
Stewart. Any suggestion of Stewart's part would have been considered
suspect. Bill Breeze may sometimes be absent minded, but he's not dumb!
Why should he even consider Alan's advice at all? Plus consider the
fact that Alan wanted to be the Lodge Master. Why would he help Poole
get the job? Alan was doing anything he coul d, to take down Deumié and
replace him. Why would he voluntarily let Poole harvest what Alan
thought he had sown? Also, in the last few months of Deumié's tenure as
Lodge Master, Alan was beginning to vehemently despise Poole! There is
no way that Alan would have supported Poole as Breeze's new
representative. Then there's Felicity... I apologize to Leah again for
what I am going to write, but I have no recollection of ever
encountering Felicity while she was sober! And if Bill and Felicity
ever met, I don't think she would have been sober then either. Which
means that Felicity's opinion wouldn't weigh much in Bill's mind. She
was also Alan's priestess. Another biased source of information, not a
very reliable basis for taking important decisions. Mimi, on the other
hand, did advise Bill as to who could be a possible successor to
Deumié! It was part of the plan. Bill may not have trusted her in a
high position but he still valued her insights nonetheless."Poole: "He asked me to think carefully who I would name to
the board of directors. In the next few days I contacted Latulippe, Luc
André Mandeville (past Lodge Master), Richard Lafor***, and whoever
else I could talk to concerning the situation. Everyone excepting
Latulippe, seemed to not want to do anything with OTO, so I went to
Latulippes apartment where I explained the complete situation. He
seemed surprised that a II° was coming to him with an invitation to
be a board member, but when he spoke to Soror Mimi, he seemed to be
satisfied."Latulippe: "Luc Mandeville was never Lodge Master. (The
succession is; 1) Bill Breeze, 2) Marc Desjardins, 3) Peter Cohen for
about two weeks, 4) Robert Deumié and 5) David Poole.) I was there
since the beginning and I know all these people. If David still wants
to call Luc Mandeville a "past Lodge Master" I want to see the
paperwork to that effect! The rest of the paragraph, well... as I
stated before, Poole and I were together almost on a daily basis prior
to Deumié's fall and we met with Mimi a lot. The positions on the board
of directors were already decided before Poole became Lodge Master. As
I have also stated before, we were supposed to be a team!"Poole: "As I mentioned before, the Caliph wasn't happy about
my proposing Latulippe, but I convinced him that he would be very
useful because he was a III° and bilingual. In the end it was my
call."Latulippe: " I am starting to get very annoyed by these
stories of "Bill dosen't trust Latulippe". I have heard them long
enough and whenever I called Soror Helena, she would say there was
nothing wrong with my record! Now either Poole has evidence that Bill
dosen't trust me or he dosen't! If he has evidence, I want to see it!
If he dosen't have evidence, it's slander! Just like when he told
Pheonix members that I was on "Bad Report". Yet Soror Helena says I am
not! And again in your article "Moosebump", David Poole
says:
"The "Black Bishop" was on bad report even before I knew him. His
problems stemmed from his relationship with Bill Breeze."Cont. Latulippe: "If I'm really on "Bad Report" why wasn't I
informed? Who's telling the truth? If Bill has a problem with me, why
dosen't he come to me and talk about it? The only person I have ever
heard, complaining about this "Bill dosen't trust Latulippe" story is
Poole. I do know that Bill is wary of me, but I doubt that it is as
extreme as Poole would want us to believe!"Poole: "The Supreme Councils decision was made that I would
be the Caliphs Representative, but that I would have to take III* so as
to have a charter to initiate. In March 1990 I went to Tahuti Lodge and
took my III*, and in August 1990 I received the official letter naming
me the caliphs Representative. At this point Deumie was not suspended,
nor was his "Janus Camp" closed. Soror Helena even suggested that I
could if I wanted name him to the Board. I decided on Robert Latulippe
as Treasurer and Mireille LeGallic as Secretary Treasurer"Latulippe: "I became secretary and Mimi was treasurer. After
her death, I became treasurer (but that's another story)."Poole: "(I didn't trust Latulippe sufficiently to have him
"unsupervised")."Latulippe: "Really? Why? He trusted me enough to become my
buisness partner. He trusted me enough to co-sign legal documents for
OTO affairs, co-sign for bank accounts, for leases, for permits. He
trusted me enough to demand my aid as an OTO brother to help him
defraud my blood relative (see letter of grievences vs. Poole). Of
course I'm probably just being paranoid about all this. I must not the
only one Poole dosen't trust to be "unsupervised"... I'm sure all
Phoenix members were unworthy of his benevolent and enlightened
confidence and were ultimately treated as such. It would be untrue of
course, to say that Poole never trusted anyone! He did trust at least
two people; by his own version of the events preceding his elevation,
he trusted Alan, enough to support him as the new Lodge Master. He also
trusted his so innocent wife whom he made treasurer of Phoenix after I
began my sabbatical. Poole couldn't trust Phoenix members to be
"unsupervised" but he did trust a devout Christian to run the financial
affairs of the Lodge. Question: Is Lucy OTO?"Poole: "My Charter to initiate came September 1990 as well as
the Charter for Phoenix Oasis. I then started frequenting Latulippe and
planned to eventually have a Lodge once again. Not an personal ambition
at all, really to save face for Montréal, being down graded to Oasis
was unfortunate because the OTO in Canada had started here and had a
colorful history (as you may perceive)."Latulippe: "Phoenix was downgraded to an Oasis status
because, Bill said, OTO was implementing the constitution and since we
didn't have a fifth degree Lodge Master, we couldn't have a Lodge. I am
the one who brought up the subject with Bill, when he came for Mimi's
funeral, about Phoenix becoming a Lodge again. It was a personal
ambition of mine! I had helped create Phoenix, I didn't want it to just
dwindle and die! I gave it everything I had... several times!"Poole: "It took the Montréal Interdit video to have Deumie
expelled from the Order, there again it had nothing to do with
Latulippe. Grand Lodge received a copy in the mail and judged it
"prejudical to the aims of the Order", based on its own internal
evidence."Latulippe: "Now this is one big blatant lie! I had everything
to do with it! Poole says that Grand Lodge got a copy in the mail. What
he fails to say is: How did Grand Lodge get a copy in the mail?
"Montréal Interdit" is a very crappy film, worst than "B" grade. It
never got more than a local distribution. If it did appear on
television, it was probably on saturday late night "Bleu Nuit"! (a TV
show that presents crappy porno videos.) And it's in French.
Translating the movie in English would have been more expensive than
the cost of producing the thing! The United States didn't have it
until... the time when Poole and myself went to Chicago for our IV°. We
brought with us, a copy of "Montréal Interdit" for our American
brethren's benefit. They had never seen it before of course. I had to
argue with Poole, the point of bringing the video as he didn't see the
need to bother Aleister Crowley Oasis with what was after all nothing
more than a tasteless little film. I, on the other hand, knew what
would happen when Grand Lodge got it's hands on a copy and knew full
well the extent of the consequences of my actions. I knew it would get
Deumié expelled from the order. I didn't send it to Grand Lodge myself,
of course, but by leaving the copy we had with Aleister Crowley Oasis
in East-Chicago, I knew it would make it's way to where it needed to be
seen. Poole can bitch all he wants, I got him by the balls on this one,
I have witnesses! Lon Milo Duquette, Dr.Stein, Tiger (then Aleister
Crowley Oasis Master), Tiger's wife, and about a dozen other people who
were there to receive their IV°."Poole: "Personally I have been attacked as being a
"dictator", as being an egomaniac, and even worse. All I can say to
that is that I was driven by the image of having a successful Lodge for
benefit of all, and that I consider myself spiritual and non attached
in the sense of the effort and work I tried to have others do was for
the Lodge. I may not be a "diplomat" or very tactful at times, I've
always been surprised when people considered me aggressive, but things
never got done without sweat and the occasional crack of a
whip!"Latulippe: "David was never "driven by the image of having a
successful Lodge for benefit of all", he was rather driven by the image
of a successful David Poole for the benefit of David Poole. Crack of a
whip? I thought Thelemites were free men and women who did their will
(or tried to do their will...), You whip a dog! You whip a slave! You
don't whip a free person or you will learn why they are free!"Poole: "In the end, I have to admit that I carried much of
the burden, and seemingly never was appreciated by the members
locally."Latulippe: "The burden Poole is carrying, is his own fault.
There were many members around who were glad and willing to help him,
but he didn't "trust" them. So they went away!"Poole: "In the last years of the Lodge I tried my best to
groom a couple members so I could retire, we had 5 members of IV°, and
even the KEW that I really wanted to take over from me, has found his
carreer has taken him out of the country. As I mentioned, all of our
best members actually progressed in life, and have either left the
province, or have been overtaken by life with family, careers, etc..
The ones that were grumbling then are the same ones that are are
grumbling now, forever caught within their own paradigm. I sincerely
hope that my lessons, now on the net for all to see, will give pause to
those that would seek to "have a Lodge of their own". The Supreme
Council and the Caliph have been supportive and I am very grateful that
they are experienced in situations such as those herein
reported."Latulippe: "Whatever. In conclusion, might I suggest that you
send a copy of Poole's letter to Simon and Leah, or anybody else for
that matter, that knew both Poole and Stewart at this time. Especially
the part where David says that he supported Alan for the position of
Phoenix Lodge Master. Also send them the part where Stewart was part of
a consensus that backed Poole. Ask their comment about
it..."

HHHHMMMMMMM

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002
To: "Peter-R. Koenig"
From: LeahLeah: "I need to check dates on some sort of time-line but a
LOT of this
does not seem to fit. Also I don't think Poole wrote the final version
of this, it looks way too polished, did you notice the revisionism? I
certainly did, and it explains to me the near hostile tone that Larry
Mintz (to our perception, and compared with the past) took with us --
it escaped me at the time we spoke to him, but now in light of the
following....Alan Stewart who registered EGC is dead, Larry Mintz was
still technically the reponsible which explains why all at once Michael
Hoirch, who seems to be allying with Poole, seems to be actively
courting Larry — the Caliphate wants their EGC back! In my opinion of
course.....this is politics and opinion [...]
As you know Poole himself wrote that the 'suspension' (expulsion!) was
for a very different reason. And of course we have the EGC registration
paper, which says February 1992. Are they now trying to conceal the
fact that Alan Stewart registered EGC? They could maybe achieve this by
opening relations with Larry Mintz to the point that he is willing to
forget about the fact that he is down on paper as one of the EGC
corporate officers....The EGC registration without doubt was
embarrassing to the Caliphate...this sounds like a rewriting of
history, Deumié NEVER went anywhere near Starry Wisdom, so how would he
know such a thing? Besides Poole was the Treasurer not Alan, so how did
Alan get the Lodge's money?"Soon, Leah added: "on comparing what Poole wrote here with
what he said originally, I understand it better. I didn't know that
Alan lost his charter, was suspended, and then was expelled. I had only
heard about the expulsion at the time, and that the Oasis had been
closed. So forgive my confusion in the previous email. Though Poole
certainly does seem to be "recruiting", I anticipated that long ago
when I decided to write to you: the cOTO was certainly dead here and
mentioning it seems to have stirred up some interest in the dead thing
again, it was a calculated risk I took. What weighed heavily on my
heart was the death of my two friends and that horrible situation that
both Sr. Roe and I were trapped in, it was easy to believe that it was
just isolated here, and had stopped, but when I heard from (and still
hear from) other women who have been raped or know of other women who
have been assaulted or worse in places very very far away, by their
"brethren", and in more recent times, I knew I had to speak out. I
trust this monster will just twitch a little because it is being
prodded with sticks and then just die as it should. or perhaps it will
be revised and politically corrected to the point it is no longer
recognisable, it will be totally respectable and lack the spermo-gnosis
entirely."

LEAH'S TIMELINE

"Leah: Minerval 9/3/86 Phoenix, Sr. Roe I°, Michael Hoirch II°, Alan ??, Virginia
McQuain 0°, Laurence Mintz ??, many others too."
"Poole: .....in 1987 I contacted Grand Lodge and was pointed to Starry
Wisdom Oasis and Phoenix Lodge." (Moose2)
"Poole: 0° at Starry Wisdom April 5, 1987 (Alan Stewart)" (Moose3)
"Poole: I° at Starry Wisdom August 21, 1988 (Alan Stewart)..." (Moose3)
"Poole: Leah's I° was on 9/14/88, Sr.·. Roe had her III° done on
9/13/88..." (Moose3)
"Poole: II° at Phoenix Lodge on October 28, 1989 Under Robert Deumié"
(Moose3)
"Poole: Camp of Our Lady Nuit was Chartered November 5th 1989 by
H[ymenæus] B[eta - Breeze] (I started a newsletter, which
eventually became 'Pan*Gaea' (Moose3)
"Poole: I have a stack of 'Camp of Our Lady Nuit' newsletter sent out
to the members at the time (1989)" (Moose3)
"Poole: ...Starry Wisdom [Oasis] INACTIVE as of 01/06/90"
(Moose3)Leah: "Wytchwood Hill Camp was closed as well, probably
January
1990.
"Poole: from files at Phoenix Lodge: Jan. 10, 1990: Leah writes that
she is resigning from OTO because of her I° experience as of January 9,
1990" (Moose3)Leah: "How could this be? Alan lost his Charter in January
1990; so why would he be asking for his Charter back in October 1989, three
months before the letter from HB was written?"Poole comments:
"There is a difference between losing the Oasis Charter in 1989, and
being suspended, which occured August 25, 1990"
"Poole: III° at Tahuti Lodge, NY, on March 24, 1990, Frater Kivanah
-Kent Finne" (Moose3)Leah: " Sr. Mimi's death(?) mid-late 1990 sometime; her death
was written up by Alan in the same issue of his "Kisses of Nuit" that
mentions the death of a neighbour, who left all sorts of papers to Alan
supposedly. — [See facsimile reproduction of TOPAZ via the
Intro Page]HB was in Montreal in
the Spring and again in the Fall
for Sr. Mimi's funeral?-- Poole says he went to Tahuti in the Spring
(?)Poole: "Things fell apart rather quickly. Deumie continued to
represent himself as a Memphis-Misraim Mason, using the OTO name only
to attract customers for his Tarot readings, and performing magical
services for money. Stewart on the other hand "had seen the writing on
the wall" and was continuing, and even stepping up, his efforts to
popularize his Church of Starry Wisdom. Unfortunately, Stewart used
some of the Lodges petty cash to print posters for his "Church of
Starry Wisdom", got caught and Deumie blew the whistle on him. This was
the cause of Stewarts suspension."Leah: "How did Alan Stewart get his hands on the Lodge's
money when David Poole was the Treasurer as appointed by HB
himself!"Poole answered later: " I was in charge of the Treasury's
paperwork,Deumie kept the petty cash enveloppe at the Cafe."
Poole: and in August 1990 I received the official letter naming me the
caliphs Representative.Leah: comment: In other words, Poole became the Caliph's rep
and Alan Stewart was suspended August 1990 AND Mireille died all around
the same time?

Sr. Mimi's death(?) Fall? 1990 sometime
"PRK source: He (Alan Stewart) had been 'on suspension' since August 25
1990, with a one year moratorium on all privileges and
responsibilities." (Moose5)
"Poole: Phoenix Oasis charter, September 3, 1990, HB, Soror Helena
Charter to initiate to III° September 17, 1990, HB" (Moose3)
"Poole: At this point Deumie was not suspended, nor was his "Janus
Camp" closed. Soror Helena even suggested that I could if I wanted name
him to the Board. I decided on Robert Latulippe as Treasurer and
Mireille LeGallic as Secretary Treasurer (I didn't trust Latulippe
sufficiently to have him "unsupervised"). My Charter to initiate came
September 1990 as well as the Charter for Phoenix Oasis.
PRK source: When Poole became the Caliph's representative, 'Mimi' had put in a good
word for Poole, and he named her as the Secretary Treasurer of OTO Québec Inc. She
died two weeks later. (Moose5)
Poole: I then started frequenting Latulippe and planned to eventually
have a Lodge once again. Not an personal ambition at all, really to
save face for Montreal, being down graded to Oasis was unfortunate
because the OTO in Canada had started here and had a colorful history
(as you may perceive). It took the Montreal Interdit video to have
Deumie expelled from the Order, there again it had nothing to do with
Latulippe. Grand Lodge received a copy in the mail and judged it
"prejudical to the aims of the Order", based on its own internal
evidence.
"Poole: we rented the basement of a bank to set up the Templar Center
in downtown Montréal" (Moose3)Leah: "1991? I think from the Spring to the Fall it was
open."
Poole: "IV° and P.I. Pyramid Lodge, October 12, 1991 (at Aleister
Crowley Oasis, East Chicago), Lon Milo Duquette. K.E.W., October 12,
1991, Lon Milo Duquette."
"Poole: The Oasis had a party on Hallows Eve 1991...." (Moose3)Leah: "This was at the building on Ontario and Papineau"
PRK question 15: "What happened with Alan Stewart's registration of the
EGC?" Poole's answer: "Registration 1992/02/25 2947-3808. He is
deceased. He was expelled from OTO as of Feb. 23, 1992 for "usurping
the names, signs, and trademarks of OTO in violation of his III° oath,
per letter dated Feb. 26, 1982 [sic] from Sr.·. Helena."
(Moose2)Leah: "it says there "suspended for violation of his III°
Oath", and yet he was a IV° and PI, so we were told, in 1988, what
gives?"Poole later added: "So, the III° Oath was the problem.
Poole: V° Tahuti Chapter R+C, NY, November 7, 1992, Ad Veritatem, James
Wasserman, HB (Moose3)
Poole: Knight of the Red Eagle & Senate, April 29, 1995, Agape Grand
Lodge, Fr.·. Sabazius. Knight Templar Order of Kadosh, Companion of the
Holy Grail, VI°, April 29, 1995, Heru Ra Ha Lodge, Fr.·. Sabazius,
Sr.·. Helena, Lon Milo Duquette, Constance Duquette. (Moose3)
"Poole: October 1999" ***Stewart's death***

POOLE'S ADDITIONS

"Re. the newsletter that I started, before Camp of Our Lady Nuit
Bulletin
Diary entry: April 13, 1987
Decided to put together some of my papers into a little magazine:
"Communications of a Minerval O°" to the brethren of Starry Wisdom Oasis
and the officers of the Supreme Council. Contains Study of Colors,
Chakras, Herbs & Astrology, a drawing of Thoth, and a short story.

April 14, 1987
Wrote a 7 page short story "The Ghost from Above" in about 1 1/2 hours,
it is based on a dream.

Diary entry: May 27-28, 1990 e.v.
Following a meeting with Hymenaeus Beta X°, OTO, it was decided that
Frater Deumie remain Lodge Master, that I Frater Salazar become
Treasurer and that Frater SDA (Alan Stewart) be the Secretary. It was
also decided that we should charge $5.00 a month dues for the Lodge.
Lastly it was decide to make Phoenix Lodge a newsletter. Fr.·. Stewart
as Secretary is responsible for this. I designed a Phoenix Lodge
Membership card.
Its recorded that there were 13 members including 7 Minervals, 4 III°
(I'm one), 2 IV°.

Diary entry: June 23, 1990
(The writing on the wall)
1) Honesty does not seem to go far in the OTO
2) Back stabbing among members is acceptable.
3) Any private conversation to any member of any degree is immediately
related to who you don't want!
Conclusion: If we are to continue to work for OTO, we must: use their
own M.O., do not lust after results.

Diary entry: September 3, 1990 e.v.
Special meeting by virtue of Supreme Council decision:
I (David Poole) am appointed Oasis Master of Phoenix Oasis, Caliphs
representative, and President and Coordinator of the Corporation.
Deumie is thanked for his efforts, Alan Stewart is suspended. I
appoint, Robert Latulippe as Secretary Treasurer (not just treasurer as
I reported earlier), Mireille Legallic as Secretary and
vice-president.

Diary entry: Sept. 22, 1990 e.v.
Marc Desjardins $50.00 for reactivation, Latulippe and Desjardins $70.00
to petty cash to pay for material, fabric, candles and incense. (I
wont deny that it is very possible that Latulippe financially helped
some of the old members to help us going, but why "on the sly"?, and
they all disappeared into the night anyway.)

Sorry about any errors but when you try to remember things that happened
a decade ago..."

LOOSE ENDS

KISSES OF NUIT

Volume II;2
Québec, no date
Editorial by Oliver Haddo Jr. / Alan Stewart
EXCERPTS
Late in 1982 I took delivery on twenty First-war Canadian uniforms and
decided to dress up the local Thelemic community a bit. Photos were
sent to the (then) Calif Hyamnaeus Beta and we were on our way. All
this was accomplished under the aegis of the Starry Wisdom Organisation
(in)famous in song and story.
In 1989 the Starry Wisdom (Oasis) was deleted from the ranks of the OTO
but, strange to say, enough members remained to ensure its survival,
unlike Phoenix Lodge which was reduced to Oasis status itself. Starry
Wisdom publishes "The Kisses of Nuit" -the Thelemic journal of Québec-
conducts the mass and generally proceeds to fill the void left by the
demise of the local OTO Lodge...

Enter the E.·.O.·.D.·.
In addition to activities the E.'O.'D.·.
also offers products such
as Steles of Revealing (with Kibblah of course) robes, magical
impliments and sundry other temple appurtenances. We have on staff some
of the finest ceremonial magicians on the island who will be glad to
assist neophytes on the path. Recently two camps were empowered as well
as an initiating body (to service members in Ontario). Time has not
been kind to other Thelemic orders, but The Starry Wisdom Organisation
and The Esoteric Order of Dogon have time on their side. We have
endured and will continue to do so, dispite minor visitudes and seeming
set-backs, we're here to stay.
Late in 1991 the Helios-Athene Lodge was established to put the
Esoteric Order "on the board" so-to-speak. The activities have been
outlined later in this publication, the aims as well. Basically what we
intend is to foster Thelema her in "La Belle Province" Thelema
...

LEONARD COHEN'S "MARIANNE"

Leah: "Thinking about Anne Seymour brought back something
that I hadn't thought of in years. Anne really loved Leonard Cohen -
the singer, writer and poet. (He's quite famous, here and in Paris
where he exiled himself for a time. He lives in Montréal now).
Well, one of his more famous songs is called 'Marianne'. When
Hoirch and I ran the Wytchwood Hill Camp COTO in the mountains, we had
some visitors - a friend of Hoirch's and his new girlfriend, who was
the 'Marianne' that the song had been written about. She worked in 418
books, in fact she told me she had helped with the painting of the
Egyptian murals found in the shop. Which obviously means she knew the
Macfarlanes. Marianne told me that she had also been a junkie, she was
completely off the stuff when I met her. Very beautiful woman, with
very silver hair. I don't know her last name, unfortunately, or
how to contact her. But who knows? Maybe Leonard Cohen has some
connection too?
Here's what I've been able to find on the Internet. The dates do not
sound right on this story to me though:-
http://www.serve.com/cpage/LCohen/faq.html#26 'Who is
Marianne?' [site defunct] by Per B.
Lilje:
"According to what I've heard Marianne Jensen was the wife of Norwegian
novelist Axel Jensen who wrote a number of excellent novels in the late
50s and early 60s ('Line', 'Epp', 'Icarus'). They stayed for a while in
Greek islands and met Cohen there. After a while Marianne dropped Axel
Jensen and lived with Cohen for some years, on Hydra, in Canada and for
a winter in Oslo (according to what LC said at a concert here in Oslo).
"I think they split in the mid or late sixties. According to the
songbook 'Songs of LC', LC and Marianne got a son called Axel(!) around
1958/1959. I have no idea what happened to Axel Cohen and Marianne
later, and where they live. In some interviews LC mentions his two
children from a later marriage, his son is called Adam, but I see no
references to Axel."
Of course there are a lot of sites. I will look through them more
carefully and see if I can find something better. But here's the song
SO LONG,
MARIANNE by Leonard Cohen."

Leah: "I am not sure where this is going to lead, because who
knows, maybe the woman I met who said she was Marianne really wasn't. I
will know if I find a photo though. Please note that 418 Books is
listed on Marie-Anne St., and I remember that shop being on Mackay
Street. Anyway, Marianne would not have been with Leonard Cohen when
she worked at 418 - the song was written in 1971 and the shop opened in
1977. Something like that."