T.D. Jakes encouraged those in the gay community to attend churches that affirm their perspective.

In just the latest sign of his descent into the compromised apostate church, mega-star Prosperity Gospel preacher T.D. Jakes very artfully evaded calling a homosexuality a sin when pressed on the issue in an interview with the Huffington Post. Taking a page from the playbook of Joel Osteen, Jakes made sure not to say anything Biblical in the mainstream media interview and then took a stronger stance once the questions from the Christian community followed. Jakes’ comments reflect the Apostasy – the prophesied falling away in the church from Biblical Christianity.

“It’s A Complex Issue”

Here is the video of Jakes with Huffington Post contributor Marcus Lamont Hill as it turned to the subject of homosexuality in the church:

Hill rephrased the first listener question by asking Jakes “how should the church get along [with homosexuals who want to attend and join]?” This was a question that a pastor who believes in sound, Biblical doctrine could easily answer. The church should get along with members of the LGBT community like it does with all other people – sharing the Biblical Gospel message that we are all sinners who deserve hell but can receive grace thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. But instead of stating Biblical truth, Jakes opted for a non-answer:

“Absolutely… I think it is going to be diverse from church to church. Every church has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person is different,” he replied. “And I think that to speak that the church—the black church, the white church or any kind of church you wanna call it—are all the same, is totally not true.”

Of course this response did not answer the question at all. When further pressed on the issue Jakes gave a ringing endorsement to “gay friendly” or gay-affirming churches: “LGBT’s of different types and sorts have to find a place of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anyone else,” he outlined. “The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values [and] you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith.”

Jakes’ advised gay people who believe homosexuality is not a sin to seek out churches that “reflect their views.” This is basically encouraging people to believe a false Gospel. In the book of Acts, the Apostle Paul gave a farewell exhortation to a group of his disciples knowing he would likely never see them again. In it he said:

“Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:26-28).

Paul said his hands were clean from being responsible for anyone’s life because he preached “all the counsel of God.” In other words, the Apostle did not pick and choose to preach only the portions of the Bible that were pleasant to all people and tickled the ears. He preached God’s entire Word, regardless of how dire or stern it may have seemed to his audience. This is because it is essential for all people to realize their sin before God. All people (this author included) are sinners – the Bible makes this clear: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God..”(Romans 3:23). Conviction of that sin is what can lead a person to understand that they need a Savior. And that Savior is The Lord Jesus Christ.

Jakes encouraged gays to attend one of the many gay-affirming churches that have become popular in the U.S.

If a person lives their lives violating God’s Word and having no remorse or repentance for that sin, then they could never feel a need for forgiveness. And thus their hearts reject God’s message. And this is precisely what Jakes was promoting by encouraging those in the LGBT community to attend churches that affirm their worldview. This is the clear sign of a heretic and false teacher. In the same passage of Acts 20 where Paul admonishes his disciples to preach “all the counsel of God” he followed that up with a grave warning: “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:29-31). The “wolves” in question were false teachers presenting themselves as “strong Christian preachers” but who in fact were teaching heretical, unbiblical doctrines, like Jakes.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. – The Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 19:3-6.

The Word of God is clear that homosexuality is a sin. God’s order for intimate relationships is for a man to be married to one woman for life. And what this means for a gay person entering the church is that like everyone else who is attending, they have to be ready to put God’s Word and desires before their own. The Christian life is one of surrender. It is a submission to God’s Holy and perfect will, even if we do not fully comprehend it.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. – Isaiah 55:6-9.

The Lord’s thinking and plans are well beyond those of corrupt humanity. So while it may seem hard to understand the reasoning behind some of the Bible, it does not negate its truth. What helps a person understand the Bible and God better is receiving the Spirit of God. This is what occurs when a person believes in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for the forgiveness of their sins. Their old spirit, corrupted with the sin nature all people possess, dies. And it is replaced by a new spirit, given from God, that seeks to please The Lord. At the same time, that newly regenerated Christian is still living in the flesh body we are all born with. And that body still contains the sin nature. And thus a Christians spirit is constantly at war with the flesh. The Lord Jesus Christ said: “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:41).

So the challenge for a person in any kind of sexual sin is simple: are you willing to give up your own desires and seek to obey The Lord? This is what a true, Christian pastor should be advising with respect to how any group can “get along” with the church. The book of Galatians describes this challenge in the Christian life:

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me… This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. – Galatians 2:20; 5:16-17.

Note that T.D. Jakes says nothing about this. He does not even quote the Scriptures at all in answering this question. Instead he offered answers that distracted from the very direct questions being asked to him. Jakes then further showed his apostasy by saying the issue of homosexuality should be addressed “behind closed doors” and that the issue of “sexuality versus spirituality” was complex “in the Bible days.” Jakes accused the Apostle Paul of struggling with issues of sexuality and bases this on a reference to 1 Corinthians 11 and the admonition for women to have a “covering” on their heads – a reference to both the literal veils women wore at that time in public and the metaphorical “cover” that a man has as an authority figure over a woman. This passage has nothing to do whatsoever with sexuality. And nowhere is there any indication that the Apostle Paul “struggled” to write this passage. 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. – 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Despite being two of the most popular pastors in the world, both Jakes and Joel Osteen (right) have openly contradicted the Bible on mainstream media.

To say Paul “struggled” with his writing is to imply that the Scriptures were not divinely inspired. Jakes continued his incorrect interpretation of the Bible by saying Paul “grappled” with these issues and we are “grappling with them now.” This is what the Apostle Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote about homosexuality:

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; – Romans 1:24-28.

There is no grappling or struggle with the issues. Paul calls gay intimacy “against nature” and the product of rebellion against God. For Jakes to incorrectly characterize Paul’s words demonstrates that he either does not understand the Bible or is willing to spout all manner of heresy just to avoid having to say that homosexuality is a sin.

The interviewer was clearly not satisfied with Jakes’ attempts at deflection and invited him to come back again for another sit down to discuss the issue further. It was quite apparent that Jakes was not going to answer the real question being posed: Was he ready to declare that homosexuality is no longer a sin?

The “Joel Osteen Backtrack”

Soon after the interview Jakes received criticism from Christian blogs for his statements. And Jakes issued a post on Facebook to “clarify” his remarks.

“My comment on HuffPo TV drifted into issues of the Supreme Court ruling and changing the world through public policy verses personal witness. Further, I have come to respect that I can’t force my beliefs on others by controlling public policy for tax payers and other U.S. citizens. Jesus never sought to change the world through public policy but rather through personal transformation”

Note that the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage never came up in the interview. The question by Hill was about whether or not the church can change its doctrinal position on homosexuality. And specifically if Jakes has or would change his own personal belief.

“All people didn’t embrace him either. That’s what I said and what I meant …. Nothing more and nothing less. Just because a so-called Christian publication chooses to misconstrue my words using lazy journalistic tactics to further their own agenda and draw attention to their site does not make their statements an accurate depiction of what I said or meant. Investigate.”

Here Jakes resorts to personally attacking the website the broke the story by calling them “lazy” and accusing them of having an “agenda.” Should this be the response of a man of God? Is this tone the reflection of someone who is operating with the fruits of the Spirit?

“Do not take everything you read online or hear repeated as truth. When asked about the “black church” and its role in ministering to gay people, I briefly mentioned ( we were running out of time) the word ” evolved and evolving” regarding my approach over the 39 years of my ministry to gay people who choose to come to our services. I simply meant that my method is evolving — not my message. I was SHOCKED to read that this was manipulated in a subsequent article to say I endorsed same sex marriage! My position on the subject has been steadfast and rooted in scripture.

For the record, I do not endorse same sex marriage but I respect the rights that this country affords those that disagree with me.”

At no point in the interview did Jakes ever say “I do not endorse same sex marriage.” Since he was on the record with the Huffington Post, why did he not make a clear declaration? Nor did he ever affirm the Bible’s very clear proclamation that homosexuality is a sin. Jakes’ “clarification” also neglected to address that he endorsed gay people attending gay-affirming churches and incorrectly stated that the Biblical authors “struggled” and “grappled” with issues of sexuality. And despite this, he says he was “SHOCKED” to read that he was criticized for this and cast as endorsing same-sex marriage. By taking a stronger stance on his Facebook page, his predominately Christian followers for the most part applauded him. This was precisely what mega-church pastor Joel Osteen did following his 2005 interview with Larry King on CNN where he repeatedly denied Christ as being the exclusive way to Heaven:

“It was never my desire or intention to leave any doubt as to what I believe and Whom I serve. I believe with all my heart that it is only through Christ that we have hope in eternal life. I regret and sincerely apologize that I was unclear on the very thing in which I have dedicated my life.

Jesus declared in John 14; I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. I believe that Jesus Christ alone is the only way to salvation. However, it wasn’t until I had the opportunity to review the transcript of the interview that I realize I had not clearly stated that having a personal relationship with Jesus is the only way to heaven. It’s about the individual’s choice to follow Him.”

By taking no stance with the mainstream media and then issuing a subsequent stronger stance to the more Christian audience, both pastors can “play both sides of the fence” on the more controversial issues in the Christian faith. The Bible’s commands to pastors leaves no room for this type of behavior:

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. – 2 Timothy 4:1-5.

A pastor is charged to preach the Bible accurately whether it’s “in season” or “out of season.” Homosexuality has become the defining issue in the church as it has forced apostate, money-centered pastors to openly defy God in order to maintain their popularity, material success and massive followings. Not coincidentally, Jakes recently commenced a 4-week trial run for a secular talk show. Financial opportunity and fame can lead pastors to become those very false teachers who have turned from the truth and preach to those who have “itching ears” for a watered-down, unbiblical form of Christianity based on what society wants and not on God’s Word.

Jakes’ new secular talk show does not need any controversy.

Pray for Jakes to repent of his erroneous doctrines and to truly stand for God’s Word in any format or setting. And pray for the followers of preachers who compromise sound, Biblical doctrine, to use discernment and reject false teaching. The message of the Bible to the gay community is the same as it is for all people: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”(2 Peter 3:9).

The Lord wants all people to repent of their sin and believe in The Lord Jesus Christ. God offers free forgiveness to all people for all the sins we have committed. This is why Jesus Christ came to Earth and gave His life on the cross. This is the true message of the Bible. Pray that God will continue to raise up Christians who have the courage to preach it.

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Prynhawn Da/Good afternoon and Hi Hi I quote the caption under the photo of Jakes and Joel: “Despite being two of the most popular pastors in the world, both Jakes and Joel Osteen (right) have openly contradicted the Bible on mainstream media.” Well isn’t the Bible contradictory? Below is a very small sample of the Bible’s contradiction, and I mean a very small sample!. God is satisfied with his works. Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 I will agree that the Bible is bigoted against non-Heterosexuals, what can one expect from a book that was written by zealot bigots, who hated Palestinian Jews, and anything non-Christian. We cannot expect anything else, man is fallible, we can see that in the biblical MSS. Cofion (Regards) Jero Jones, Mab Cymru

I find that the contradictions within your post are good for starting firey discussion regarding the contradictions in the Bible, yet a brief contextual examination reveals the truth in all of it. I would like to see why you believe these are contradictory verses rather than just stating a single phrase in a single sentence outside of a fuller context.

Bore da/Good morning and Hi Hi Darth Nocturnis Thanks for your input, and I appreciate you coming back to me. As a trained researcher, I have learnt to make things easier, such as using “Ibid” rather than write the full citation down, especially if the are repeating, it’s just how I have been educated. I have a list (table of contents) of contradictions, controversies, myths, wickedness, and forgeries, etc., and for easy and to show the point more clearly, I reduced the verses, without degrading the message. However, as you said I could have shown the full verses (see below), but it is less clear to see the contradictions at first glance. Gen. 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.[kjv] Gen. 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.[kjv] I hope that satisfies you, and hope to have more discussions with you in the near future! Cofion (regards) Jero Jones, Mab Cymru

I hope you will forgive my skepticism, since the verses around Genesis 6:6 explain the reason behind God being upset. Since mankind at that point and time had done everything within his power to run away from God and do all kinds of evil, God was upset. This is because God initially created man for these two purpose: Purpose 1) Mankind was to worship God wholeheartedly and Purpose 2) Mankind was to have a personal relationship with God. Since mankind in Genesis 6 had deviated from both these paths, God was grieved/brokenhearted. This is why he was displeased with the creation. Not because of what he had created (since in Genesis 1 he was pleased with what he had created and the purpose with which he had created it), but because his creation had decided in their hearts to turn from him and follow wickedness.

Hi, As I was reading what was said and what TD Jakes said; I must say that he is merely watching his words, after all the gays are suing ministers and people for saying anything opposite to what they feel. I don’t believe that he is apostate as he is a devout preacher of the gospel and doesn’t care who doesn’t like it. I also believe that he is merely saying that if they come to his church he will preach Jesus and sin and I am sure he will mention it in his house (church); if they don’t like it then they need to find their own place that they can be comfortable in and don’t try to change his church into accepting what God condemned. You can minister to those that want to change; those that don’t want to change should go on because it would be a waste of time trying to convince someone of sin that doesn’t believe he is. Thanks, Peggy

Have some land to sell you in the everglades. Jakes preaches another gospel and it is blatantly obvious to any who are at all schooled in the scriptures. The prosperity gospel itself is a heresy/ If you look deeper into his financial and sexual practice allegations with those he mentored, alarm bells go off and red lights flash. Unlike the specious accusations against Roy Moore, these are CONSISTENT with his political tightrope walking. You seem to think that preachers should mince words. I do not. Our church saw TEN homosexuals come to Christ. Our church is central Philly which has lots of gays. We simply say the truth and they are welcome to come but change is required as it i for people captivated in any sin.

I hope you will forgive my skepticism, since the verses around Genesis 6:6 explain the reason behind God being upset. Since mankind at that point and time had done everything within his power to run away from God and do all kinds of evil, God was upset. This is because God initially created man for these two purpose: Purpose 1) Mankind was to worship God wholeheartedly and Purpose 2) Mankind was to have a personal relationship with God. Since mankind in Genesis 6 had deviated from both these paths, God was grieved/brokenhearted. This is why he was displeased with the creation. Not because of what he had created (since in Genesis 1 he was pleased with what he had created and the purpose with which he had created it), but because his creation had decided in their hearts to turn from him and follow wickedness.

Close on the heels of the Jakes, is the thrice divorced woman Paula White who uses her (recent) husband’s(better said as business partners in crime & apostasy) words of “Pronography talk” but to gather around her more people & be comfortable in their pronographic addictions, not for a remedy/cure, to extending unto its sodomic core. It does show how cunning & deceitful these are & to what extent they go by their harlotry . Is it any wonder to see the media-” the prince of the power of air— ‘ promoting the likes of these, to the incompatible term “Hindu-Christian” even as Freemasonry(by the same deceit) is rendered incompatible with Christianity, revealed as follows: Now to the heresy off these Models to Modalism which is but the trinity of hinduism, showcasing 3 heads in one body, as 3 gods in disunity denoting creation/sustenance/destruction which are not really gods but denote an Evolutionary cycle in other words ‘Evolution” is their god(s) unto the goddess worship, defines the” Worship of the created instead of the Creator” & for such there is no god BY THEIR HEART even though profess with their mouths, thus making their so-called gods as additions/insertions, hence sin is considered a part of them, making pronography & sodom integral natures unto themselves when it should have been alien, in direct contrast to the absolute truth of three separate persons in one God denoting the perfect eternal unity for our unity in Him, away from sin.

most definitely the apostasy is here 2nd Thessalonians chapter 4 somes it up pretty well, The antichrist should be coming any time. So watch and be aware cause the whole world will worship him, except the ones that know he is coming.Revelations tells you satan comes at the 6th trump Christ comes at the 7th trump Have you read it

Hi B nd E, thank you once again for your good expository works. For folks like T.D Jakes…only time would finally expose how deep he had sucked into the Mainstream’s agenda..and thus fully expose who he truly is. Why would he find it so hard and difficult to say and label homosexuality a sin and a taboo before God. Even in the animals, male animals don’t go after other male when it comes to mating…how much more humans!!

B nd E admonished we pray for T.D Jakes for him to repent..well I think he doesn’t needs our prayers because he strongly knows what he is doing. He is artistically and carefully trying to appease the mainstream religion and the christain faithfuls by his unclear deceptive views. He is a vivid example of a wolf in a sheep clothing. It is also shocking and shameful for a supposed Bishop of his calibre and years of his pastoring, to say that the Apostle Paul grappled with such an issue as not taking a concrete and a biblical stand on such a subject. I guess T.D Jakes read his own version of the bible rather than the King James Version of the Bible. Keep the good work B and E…..keep exposing them as they falter! And as for Dart Noctunis……you must’nt force a person who (lacks understanding) but claimed he is widely read and researched from his standing. He needs the Holy Spirit to teach him what he should know. He is a vivid examples of professors in religion,who might have read the bible from Genesis to Revelation more than 20 times …but still lack understanding because they were too arrogant to allow the Holy spirit teach them beyond just the logos!! Thnks all the same

Homosexuality is clearly a sensitive issue to many, and most well intended theologians, have respectfully and in my view missed the point. It is sexual sin, I get that part. The very first lie ever told seems to be related to our true identity, namely that we have been made to the Image of God (this subject on itself requires much more information not intended by this post). Once we “lose our identity” we are ready to be conformed to the image of Satan. I have had this discussion with a few young people before who ridiculed people from homosexual orientation, and they later shamefully admitted that they were as guilty as “those they judged” as they themselves have lost their true identity, and were just as guilty of that being “prepared by Stan for his deception”. The real issue here is Pride and Disobedience. The only way you can resolve rebellion is by teaching the fear of God, and for issues relating to Pride, is to bring the deception in us to a fall. Pride is evidence we have conformed to Satan’s image, and disobedience is acting out our point of view. It is required of all of us to NEVER try to take God’s function away like by judging others; instead it is required of us to be obedient to God. Attacking homosexuality as the problem, is not the solution. It will be like wiping your nose to cure yourself from a cold.

I was just reading today about a Christian singer of the 90s, Ray Boltz. Very popular then who divorced a few years ago and came out, now lives with his ‘partner’ and sings in Gay Friendly churches only. This is another ‘sign’ of the apostasy of the modern church and most churches are not standing up for the Truth. We need to speak the Truth in Love, but most of what we hear is just ‘The Love’, but very little Truth because the Truth is an offense to the unrepentant.

All sin should be confronted whether it’s homosexuality, gambling, prostitution, pornography, stealing, murder, envy, malice etc but we rejoice that the vilest of sinners can be redeemed. THe Truth is no man or woman can go so low that they are out of the reach of the Grace of Christ.

But many preachers like T.D. do not want to offend for they may lose hundreds in their church and thousands on their TV screens.