Not to get too off-topic but I agree with Maritonic's statement. If it was not for Godzilla pulling off a new ability (the Spiral Ray), I think Godzilla would have met his match with Super Mechagodzilla.

GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:Not to get too off-topic but I agree with Maritonic's statement. If it was not for Godzilla pulling off a new ability (the Spiral Ray), I think Godzilla would have met his match with Super Mechagodzilla.

Whoa someone agrees with me?! Holy skreeonk. Someone call Goji89. I think I just popped a cherry or something.

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goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:Not to get too off-topic but I agree with Maritonic's statement. If it was not for Godzilla pulling off a new ability (the Spiral Ray), I think Godzilla would have met his match with Super Mechagodzilla.

Whoa someone agrees with me?! Holy skreeonk. Someone call Goji89. I think I just popped a cherry or something.

Maritonic wrote:Mechagodzilla is pretty much the only monster to actually be capable of killing Godzilla, but no one really talks about this.

Well, that's the thing. A lot of people seem to talk about that, especially in the Fantasy Matches, but I strongly disagree. Mechagodzilla's ability to threaten Godzilla was not due to his strength, but due to a cheap shot tactic. If any of Godzilla's other enemies had knowledge of that weak point, they could manage the same feat (Biollante and Destroyah especially have demonstrated penetrating capabilities that could reach and destroy the secondary brain). The weapon that threatens his life isn't especially strong, just targeted very specifically. The rest of the barrage is pretty much to get him to hold still to give MechaG a clean shot.

MechaG's pretty strong. but I would factor him as either third, or tied for second, after the next two villains of the series.

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Maritonic wrote:Mechagodzilla is pretty much the only monster to actually be capable of killing Godzilla, but no one really talks about this.

Well, that's the thing. A lot of people seem to talk about that, especially in the Fantasy Matches, but I strongly disagree. Mechagodzilla's ability to threaten Godzilla was not due to his strength, but due to a cheap shot tactic. If any of Godzilla's other enemies had knowledge of that weak point, they could manage the same feat (Biollante and Destroyah especially have demonstrated penetrating capabilities that could reach and destroy the secondary brain). The weapon that threatens his life isn't especially strong, just targeted very specifically. The rest of the barrage is pretty much to get him to hold still to give MechaG a clean shot.

MechaG's pretty strong. but I would factor him as either third, or tied for second, after the next two villains of the series.

I'll give you this. My point was really more Mechagodzilla II is the only monster we really witness practically kill Godzilla on screen. That's more what I'm going for. But, I do get your point.

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goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

Definitely- I would agree with you there. He presents the most direct threat of any of Heisei's foes.

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Zarm wrote:Definitely- I would agree with you there. He presents the most direct threat of any of Heisei's foes.

Which is interesting because I've always felt Destroyah and Spacegodzilla had the potential to be the most powerful kaiju on screen, they just weren't utilized properly in their respective films. Even though Godzilla vs. Destroyah is one of my personal favorites, I still feel they underused Destroyah's power.

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goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

I'd agree, on both points. They're the two I'd rank higher in destruction potential (and Spacegodzilla showed it a bit by rendering Godzilla helpless), but it's definitely not fulfilled.

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Zarm wrote:Definitely- I would agree with you there. He presents the most direct threat of any of Heisei's foes.

Which is interesting because I've always felt Destroyah and Spacegodzilla had the potential to be the most powerful kaiju on screen, they just weren't utilized properly in their respective films. Even though Godzilla vs. Destroyah is one of my personal favorites, I still feel they underused Destroyah's power.

For sure! One thing that will always bother me about Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is that the military was the one to bring down Destoroyah. Being his final film in the Heisei Series, I would have liked to see Godzilla have one last triumph before he died. I feel like for the final three Heisei films, there is an emphasis on monsters having major weaknesses such as Godzilla's second brain, Spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals, and Destoroyah's reaction to the cold.

Zarm wrote:Definitely- I would agree with you there. He presents the most direct threat of any of Heisei's foes.

Which is interesting because I've always felt Destroyah and Spacegodzilla had the potential to be the most powerful kaiju on screen, they just weren't utilized properly in their respective films. Even though Godzilla vs. Destroyah is one of my personal favorites, I still feel they underused Destroyah's power.

For sure! One thing that will always bother me about Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is that the military was the one to bring down Destoroyah. Being his final film in the Heisei Series, I would have liked to see Godzilla have one last triumph before he died. I feel like for the final three Heisei films, there is an emphasis on monsters having major weaknesses such as Godzilla's second brain, Spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals, and Destoroyah's reaction to the cold.

I actually never gave much thought to the Military taking down Destroyah, but you're completely right. I view Spacegodzilla and Destroyah as "Gods" of the franchise, but they're just SO underused and never see their full potential. You're 100% correct.

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goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

Maritonic wrote:Which is interesting because I've always felt Destroyah and Spacegodzilla had the potential to be the most powerful kaiju on screen, they just weren't utilized properly in their respective films. Even though Godzilla vs. Destroyah is one of my personal favorites, I still feel they underused Destroyah's power.

For sure! One thing that will always bother me about Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is that the military was the one to bring down Destoroyah. Being his final film in the Heisei Series, I would have liked to see Godzilla have one last triumph before he died. I feel like for the final three Heisei films, there is an emphasis on monsters having major weaknesses such as Godzilla's second brain, Spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals, and Destoroyah's reaction to the cold.

I actually never gave much thought to the Military taking down Destroyah, but you're completely right. I view Spacegodzilla and Destroyah as "Gods" of the franchise, but they're just SO underused and never see their full potential. You're 100% correct.

Well heck, I agree with both of you- we've just got ourselves a regular little love-fest here!

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GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:For sure! One thing that will always bother me about Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is that the military was the one to bring down Destoroyah. Being his final film in the Heisei Series, I would have liked to see Godzilla have one last triumph before he died. I feel like for the final three Heisei films, there is an emphasis on monsters having major weaknesses such as Godzilla's second brain, Spacegodzilla's shoulder crystals, and Destoroyah's reaction to the cold.

I actually never gave much thought to the Military taking down Destroyah, but you're completely right. I view Spacegodzilla and Destroyah as "Gods" of the franchise, but they're just SO underused and never see their full potential. You're 100% correct.

Well heck, I agree with both of you- we've just got ourselves a regular little love-fest here!

Haha, it's a nice shift from arguments and debates <3

But, I've always gotten along with you, Zarm.

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goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

KaijuCanuck wrote:It’s part of my secret plan to create a fifth column in the US, pre-emoting our glorious conquest and the creation of the Canadian Empire, upon which the sun will consistently set after less than eight hours of daylight.

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1984 probably has my favorite Godzilla rampage. Hell, the first 3 Heisei films have awesome rampage scenes. It's also cool how they manage to make Godzilla a character without making him an outright hero. He stays relatively neutral.

I really like MOGUERA in GvSG. It’s surprisingly badass for such a weird looking design, and the scene where it uses its drill nose to injure Spacegodzilla is honestly one of my favourite scenes of the franchise.

I guess the community consensus changed over time. I remember online in the 1990s and early 2000s that fans were super high on Heisei and embarrassed of Showa. A similar trend occurred with Star Trek: The Next Generation being downgraded and the franchise going with The Original Series characters in 2009, after TOS had been deemed uncool in the 1990s.

Showa has around 2-4 great Godzilla movies depending on your tastes...out of 15. Please note I grew up with Showa and the movies are dear to my heart.Heisei, depending on your tastes, has 3-4 great Godzilla movies out of 7.

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