(Note to the Mods: I don't mean this to be a yarn-spinning thread, though I'm sure stories will be told. The idea is more to disseminate information, whether anecdotal or backed up with citations and all that good stuff. Don't mean to step on anyone's toes in that regard.) ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333871#Comment_333871
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333871#Comment_333871Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:30:08 -0500Rachæl TyrellThread starter ramble:

I often wonder how much and to what degree personal chemistry effects how drugs take hold, and if these differing reactions could in themselves end up being a good litmus test for mental imbalances. My mother and myself both have very similar reactions to marijuana; we get MORE talkative and hyper and visually oriented and often start to organize things. Most people become sedate and mellow. People who become energetic when stoned must have a different kind of cannibinoid receptors, or some sort of altered ratio of chemicals. I'd love for the psych-pharm doctors to have some kind of tangible means to measure what is wrong with a person (aside from just a list of symptoms) before handing them a three month supply of pills (that may or may not produce suicidal thoughts) and tell them to ride out the terrible first stages of a drug regimen without having any idea if it will help.

[I hope this made sense. I'm somewhat stoned. :D] ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333872#Comment_333872
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333872#Comment_333872Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:31:19 -0500Purple WyrmI noticed on Friday that the supermarket had plenty of Red Bull in, so I'll switch across to that for a few weeks, which should see me right. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333873#Comment_333873
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333873#Comment_333873Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:35:36 -0500nelzbub
I myself have a tendency towards getting into unhealthy relationships with various substances and certainly in my father's side of our family there is a long history of heavy drinking and smoking, features of which I have seen in both my own and my brother's lives. Any thoughts on this? ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333874#Comment_333874
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333874#Comment_333874Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:49:29 -0500nelzbub
articleThere is a similar network in the body for opiates and much research has already been done on the effect of various drugs on our dopamine system. That the natural world is capable of producing molecular structures so capable of effecting and mimicking our bodies' own chemical factories is totally fascinating to me and the fact that prohibition is preventing valuable scientific research in this field is, in my mind, one of the major harms of the world wide war on drugs. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333877#Comment_333877
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333877#Comment_333877Sat, 09 Jun 2012 07:59:58 -0500Fauxhammer
perfected. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333879#Comment_333879
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333879#Comment_333879Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:22:45 -0500nelzbubDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333880#Comment_333880
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333880#Comment_333880Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:58:34 -0500D.J.Jerks. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333886#Comment_333886
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333886#Comment_333886Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:33:12 -0500FlabyoOn the few occasions that I've hung out with people smoking weed it's just made me vomit. And that's just passively breathing in the smoke drifting around, so lord knows what my reaction would be to actually smoking it myself.

I have a minor genetic liver disorder which means my metabolism of drugs in general is slower than normal. I can't take aspirin without getting horrendous stomach cramps for example.

Oh, and I'm allergic to penicillin. Which is a complete and utter git of an allergy to have. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333889#Comment_333889
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333889#Comment_333889Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:21:30 -0500government spyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333890#Comment_333890
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333890#Comment_333890Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:41:03 -0500FishelleI really don't have any experience with substances myself. The religion I associate with discourages drinking coffee and tea, and requests abstaining from alcohol and cigarettes. The only thing that has come up so far on the thread that I've ever ingested is caffeine, and it doesn't have an affect on me, really. The only reason I ever have it is because I like the taste of Dr. Pepper.

At a party once, I stood outside with some friends as they smoked and had some vodka and wine, and someone asked me what my vice was. I couldn't think of anything, so I answered "men."

So everything I know about substances is through what I've heard from other people. When I was younger, all I heard was the urban legends about the people who went completely insane because they tried pot once. In high school, I knew some people who were obviously stoned when they went to class, or who brought beer with them to school, called it apple juice and got away with it. It was laughable to me, and the people seemed sort of pathetic. Then in college, I was in an art department and dated a guy who had done everything but mushrooms, and still frequently smoked pot. So I heard a lot about how marijuana was a wonderful thing in every possible way.

I still have no desire to use anything, but this conversation is really interesting. Hearing both the good and the bad in an honest manner on this topic is not something I get a lot, so I'll certainly be lurking about, even if I don't have much of value to add. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333893#Comment_333893
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333893#Comment_333893Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:19:00 -0500government spy
this story I wrote earlier.

That night, my girlfriend told me cops were looking for me, and I should hide out at some punk house. So I stay at this guy Brandon’s house, it’s this beat the fuck up house in the ghetto, and I crash there for the night. While I was hanging out, everybody’s smoking a pipe, and I hit it too; assuming it’s weed. It was, mostly. Later, I found out it was laced with heroin.

First, I was just happy to sit with everyone, but then I got really sleepy. I kind of folded up into a ball on the couch and hid my head. To me, it felt like I was on the inside of an old television; when the channel “flips” and you see it rolling over and over, and each time I closed my eyes, the momentum would increase; but each time I opened them I would come to a crashing halt that was terrifying. I could overhear people around me talking; like I was a lightweight, and that I was passed out. Truthfully, I didn’t sleep all night; I was even awake when someone took my wallet and someone else drew on me; I just couldn’t move. Later I found out the cops were not looking for me and that whole night was a total waste of time.

In general, I always found that mixing intoxicants, other than occasionally getting drunk & stoned, is a bad idea. Fans of speedballing might tell you different, but I wouldn't listen to them. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333898#Comment_333898
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333898#Comment_333898Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:55:57 -0500ArgosI've been told by friend who is very open about using drugs and who also has a degree in Cog Sci and has actually studied the effects of drugs in an academic setting that most hallucinogenics aren't addictive, at least not in the way nicotine, caffeine, and heroin are. They also don't directly destroy your body the way drugs like cocaine & heroin do. Cocaine literally starts destroying your frontal lobe when you take it. Mushrooms, MDMA, and LSD do not. The problem with hallucinogenics is that some people take massive doses that can mess with their psyche (some of the more spiritual types will say that if you take too big a dose, your inner self kind of gets lost in the ether, or that when you take such an intense trip that you have out of body experiences, you leave your body vulnerable to something else coming in), or they take them habitually and then just don't take care of themselves bc they're too busy tripping. But those ones don't give you withdrawals the way addictive drugs do, which is why they aren't considered addictive. It's not like addictive drugs, caffeine included, where you wind up having to take the drug just because you start feeling like shit without it. So generally, MDMA and mushrooms, and to a degree LSD, are the "safe" drugs to take, because they go into your system, and them come out, and aren't addictive in the ways that heroin, caffeine, and nicotine are, and they don't literally start breaking down your body the way coke & heroin do. The danger with LSD and MDMA is that sometimes people will give you a substance and tell you it's LSD or ecstasy, but it's either not or will have some other weird substances mixed in that do fuck you up.

Also that whole thing with mushrooms and LSD building up in your spinal cord and giving you flashbacks when you crack your back is complete bollocks. The body gets rid of it all.

As far as bad trips on hallucinogenics go, from what I've heard, people only have them they use the drug as an escape, or are really worried going into it or are in a bad mood. They're really happy drugs, generally, but you have to be in a positive mindset going into them. Supposedly the come down from mdma/ecstasy is really harsh and a negative emotional experience because your brain chemicals have been put out of balance, but not everyone has this experience. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333899#Comment_333899
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333899#Comment_333899Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:03:36 -0500nelzbub
I was once spiked with mushroom tea, and though i coped ok, I have never forgiven the fucking pricks who thought it would be a funny thing to do.The only time I have ever done heroin was when a guy offered to share a bag of white powder that he had been given thinking that it was ketamine. A long and weird cautionary tale ensued, ending with me learning to ride a horse down a himalayan mountain. I don't think this is quite the sort of tale to be sharing here, other than the obvious lesson that it is NOT CLEVER to snort unidentified white powders. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333900#Comment_333900
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333900#Comment_333900Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:09:32 -0500ArgosDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333906#Comment_333906
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333906#Comment_333906Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:42:22 -0500GreasemonkeyDon't believe the stoners who tell you weed has no negative effects. It's probably safe for most people in moderate amounts, but a heavy weed habit can mess you up psychologically as well as leaving you broke. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333908#Comment_333908
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333908#Comment_333908Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:06:08 -0500DextraAs I transitioned into my late teens and early 20's, I got into cocaine. I got into that way too hard, and eventually lost a really good job and home and several friends before I wised up and got off it. The weed was a steady constant throughout all this. I did slow to a crawl with everything when I had my twins. I didn't need anything else for a while after they were born because of all the medications my doctors gave me. Everything stayed pretty chill until my fiance died in a motorcycle accident in 2007. Then I just went into self destruct mode and did everything I could get my hands on and stayed pretty well fucked up for a couple of years, until I got into an accident myself and decided to get my shit together. It was hard because everyone around me where I was were using one thing or another, and my willpower was shit. So I up and moved to the other side of the country with some friends and went through a bit of an excruciating detox. Now I've been clean for nearly 3 years. I even finally gave up cigarettes a few months back. That was another 20 year habit that I thought I'd never break.

The stuff you're told is E is probably E, mostly, along with a bunch of left-overs from the production process and whatever the guy who sells it to you may have cut it.

2. Drug use is heavily dependent on social context. So while some people in western societies, where marijuana is usually illegal and/or socially stigmatized, develop paranoid symptoms, these symptoms are much less common in Jamaica where marijuana use is less marginalized.

Similarly, during the Vietnam War, the great majority of US military personnel who were using in Vietnam stopped cold turkey when they got back to the US.

Conversely, if your friends are all drug users and your relationship with them revolves around that interest then when you stop using you'll find yourself alone and miserable and at risk of depression and suicide quite apart from any physiological withdrawal symptoms.

3. For most drugs, the severely dependent addicts are a minority of users. The stereotype of the heroin user is the junkie on the street corner, sleeping rough and panhandling for their next hit. Those people exist - but the majority of heroin users, use the drug recreationally once a week or less and hold down jobs. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333926#Comment_333926
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333926#Comment_333926Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:24:52 -0500razrangelBut. I *have* known and lost people to drugs. And it's frustrating and pisses me off. But it has more to do with the culture of keeping someone in. When you're in a group where that's what everyone does it's a bitch to quit and try to stay friends while staying clean. Maybe impossible. And when someone leaves me behind because they like the drug better than they like me it fucking sucks.

I'm addicted to tobacco and coffee. And it's really habitual. When I don't have the time to stop for either (rare, but happens, like the last few days) it doesn't bother me except that I just want a moment to stop and just *be* and for me, I conceptualize that as enjoying a cup of coffee. I drink alcohol plenty, but in no kind of regular basis. Used to be I drank a lot of wine, a glass or two a night give or take. But once I couldn't afford it anymore it just made me sad not to have the wine with my dinner. Didn't really upset my evening otherwise.

Did a bit of pot in college because it was always around at theatre parties (and college parties in general) but it actually never seemed to have an effect on me. Nowadays I turn it down just because it seems like it would be wasted on me. Have used acid but sometimes it had no effect - once it wouldn't let me sleep but that was it. But the one time I tripped it was actually pretty cool. I wouldn't mind doing it again but I recognize I would have to clear out a lot of time and make sure it was in a really safe place with people I trust. Used meth a few times. I only noticed it kept me awake for a long time, and once realized I couldn't tell if the lights were flickering or dimmer than usual (they weren't). Handed some mushroom tea one New Year's Eve as I was tossing back champagne and mixed drinks. It seemed to exacerbate the drunk effect.

Wouldn't willingly touch cocaine or heroin. Curious about X and MDMA. Maybe speed but also nervous of it. I've never done it but used ephedra back when it was legal - when following the instructions it helped me lose weight and did not make me feel jittery (but neither does coffee). I'm still a bit bitter that its illegal now. *grumble* gained back the weight*grumble*I've more of an addiction to french fries than anything else*grumble* ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333930#Comment_333930
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333930#Comment_333930Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:00:23 -0500AtomicSlothEvery drug, anything you put in you that alters bodily function (including over-the-counter painkillers, and things considered natural because they're just a plant i.e. weed) has the potential for addiction. Some substances have more risk than others, for instance I've heard repeatedly that 60% of people who try crack will get addicted the first time.

There are a number of factors, but two golden rules that you may be addicted to something:1. You pay for it yourself.2. You do it when no one else is around.

Having said that, if you're not spending money you don't have, if your friends and family don't notice a change in your personality(they are often a better judge than you), if your work isn't effected and if your overall health isn't too badly damaged, being addicted to a substance isn't the nightmare life-ending scenario it's portrayed as.

Also it's generally a bad idea to take anything before you're under 18, have a heart condition, epilepsy, or a family history of mental illness. It's best when taking a new substance to do an allergy test (the simplest way is to lick a miniscule piece of it 24 hours before taking) but this is not always possible.

Never ever mix uppers and downers unless you are 100% sure what you're doing you will go into respiratory failure and die, this is what happened to every famous person you have heard of who had a drug related death. (a spliff or a vallium after a heavy night of something like MDMA or amphetamines to get you to sleep is usually fine).

Having said all that, I find drugs pretty awesome, have had some of the greatest experiences of my life thanks to them, and would probably have had a more boring, uneventful life without them. I find most of the things that are illegal safer (both for your own mental and physical health, and for the damage done to people and things around you) than alcohol.

I'm glad I despise the taste of coffee, and feel sick after taking caffeine pills or too many energy drinks, so my caffeine intake is limited to just a few cups of tea a day. I find caffeine a dirtier drug than most stimulants.

I smoke around 3-5 cigarettes a day because of university. 10 if I'm drinking, and I can go through a pack or more if I'm on something stronger. Roll-ups mostly because I'm poor but also menthols, pipe with pipe tobacco and clove cigarettes.

People do use drugs to self medicate, it's a shame they aren't studied more, MDMA has the potential to treat post-traumatic stress disorder, weed has dozens of potential uses, one dose of magic mushrooms can significantly increase mental health, but we need to know more about them. (They actually banned the sale of Psilocybin magic mushrooms in this country. Can you believe that? Possibly the single safest and beneficial drug you can take, yet Fly Agaric is still available, the red one with the spots that berserkers used to take that can actually fuck you up and give you a bad trip is available in skater shops, OK, don't get me started on prohibition and the war on drugs).

I personally prefer stimulants, partially to self medicate my social anxiety and general lack of motivation. I used to take Ephedrine a lot (you can still buy it online, and it's still legal in the UK, it's like the mid-way point between caffeine and speed) but either the last batch I got was double strength or I'm becoming intolerant to it, because it now gives me heart and chest pains stronger than any legal or illegal substance. I think Adderall or something similar would be perfect for me, but it's really hard to get on prescription here, you basically have to have a mental breakdown before the doctor will consider it.

I'm not overally fond of cannabis, it's nice every now and then but it can make me nauseas and leave me unmotivated for days after. I'd like to just enjoy the odd spliff, but if I have some, I tend to do all of it at once, eat shitloads of terrible food, watch terrible movies and feel sluggish for the rest of the week. Codiene and other painkillers have a similar effect, so I don't really like downers apart from Vallium and Whisky (not together though).

I'd like to take more psychedelics but even though I've done a few before and had a great time, I'm still a little bit scared of them.

I'd talk more about Research Chemicals, "Bath Salts" (please don't use that term), what used to be called Psychonautics, but I've talked about them already in the Newstrange thread, and I've rambled on too much here. I've tried to keep this general but if there's anything specific, any specific drug you want to know about. Every drug is completly different and unique and needs a whole different set of rules for taking it.

I read Erowid, bluelight, (though they can both be snotty about the newer research chemicals) 420chan and as many trip reports, forums and sources etc I can before indulging in something.

The worst thing I've found about people who regulary take drugs is all they want to talk about is drugs. I can see how it would become annoying to someone who doesn't take drugs. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333933#Comment_333933
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333933#Comment_333933Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:14:46 -0500AtomicSlothFrom the enlightening website Narco Polo which suggests only 4.1% of crack users get addicted. Basically we desperatly need lots of studies into all types of drugs, we are far too reliant on rumour, old wives tales, and "what happened to a friend of mine." ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333935#Comment_333935
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333935#Comment_333935Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:48:48 -0500Purple WyrmDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333940#Comment_333940
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333940#Comment_333940Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:46:32 -0500256On the subject of caffeine, which seems to be getting a pretty bad rap right now: High Blood Caffeine Levels in Older Adults Linked to Avoidance of Alzheimer’s Disease

“Moderate daily consumption of caffeinated coffee appears to be the best dietary option for long-term protection against Alzheimer’s memory loss,”

and further

A study tracking the health and coffee consumption of more than 400,000 older adults for 13 years, and published earlier this year in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that coffee drinkers reduced their risk of dying from heart disease, lung disease, pneumonia, stroke, diabetes, infections, and even injuries and accidents.

I may have to up my dosage. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333943#Comment_333943
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333943#Comment_333943Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:12:18 -0500government spyMy dad is a recovering crack addict. No idea how fast he got addicted, but it was just sad to watch.

Back when I was a rent-a-cop, I responded to a drug overdose at work, and later the Director of Security and I had a conversation about when he was a Chicago cop, and a bunch of cops he was drinking with brought some crack. He said when he smoked it for the first time, it felt better than the best sex he ever had. And then he immediately needed to get high again. So he moked more. Then he smoked some more. Eventually everyone left and he went and bought some and went home and smoked some more. Then he smoked some more. Then he was like, "Wow, a couple days have gone by and all I've done is smoke crack." So he went outside and smashed the pipe, and then flushed the rest of it down the toilet.

He told me, "If I hadn't decided right then and there to stop, and get rid of it all, I'd still be smoking it now, like ten years later."

I hear what you're saying about discounting stories about "what happened to a friend of mine" as anecdotal, which is exactly what they are, but no more or less so than "some doctor who said he had a great time using (bath salts)." Regardless, it might prove beneficial to see studies done, actual real science involved, but I can't see a positive benefit for anyone to keep using crack or meth. Maybe because I see the leftover ruins of people's lives after they've become a crack or meth addict, and it leaves me filled with disgust. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333947#Comment_333947
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333947#Comment_333947Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:59:07 -0500atavistianI was a bit of a psychonaut in my teenage years. That and a metric fuckton of research and education has lended to me lecturing about psychedelics in a few local college classes once a semester. Unfortunately given that my full time gig is as a civilian employee of a police department, my psychonaut days are over (or at least on hold). Full time gig does let me do some on-the-job education about drugs to cops, though.

Earlier point, I think it was Rachael's, on people who react differently to cannabis: fMRI actually shows that y'all process the THC in a different part of your brain than most other people. Some people are genetically predisposed to that, but in some people the site actually switches (usually after chronic/long-term marijuana use).

@ Purple Wyrm: Clinical research on MDMA is far from banned here, it's just super-restricted. There are several studies going on right now utilizing MDMA in a psychotherapeutic setting and a handful behind that which've already shown quite positive results. The ability to run these trials is actually thanks to the success of psilocybin in treating people with terminal or chronic illnesses. The rediscovery of psychedelic uses for therapeutic purposes has followed an odd road; psilocybin results opened the mind of regulators juuuust enough to start allowing trials for both MDMA and LSD.

So far it looks like psilocybin and LSD act on a far deeper level than MDMA. Psilocybin and LSD seem to come from a 'metaprogramming' angle and allow access to some of the more inaccessible levels of cognition and subcognition. MDMA is more about approaching traumatic events in a less dangerous, less pathologized way in order to process them.

(It also looks like LSD can either permanently or semi-permanently cure cluster headaches. A non-psychoactive form of LSD is already in trials since the psychoactive one is still substantia non grata.)

These days for myself I'm still a fan of better living through chemistry. Tried quitting smoking but it just wasn't me, though I only smoke about a pack a month or so. Also use e-cigarettes. Nicotine is in some respects a self-medication or self-soothing tactic for the generalized anxiety I have. A neural mechanism called pre-pulse inhibition (discovered when researchers looked into why so many schizophrenics are smokers) translates the nicotine into a neurochemical "warning shot" that slightly desensitizes the smoker to incoming distressing stimuli.

Caffeine's a must for me and generally in the form of coffee or red bull. Alcohol is also often in use. Preferred form: whisky, neat.

As for other drugs: when I can afford it I'm on a pretty steep regimen of nootropics, both Piracetam and DMAE. Piracetam (OTC in the US, prescription in UK/Eur I believe) has some incredible benefits for me along the lines of focus, creativity and mental energy. DMAE is taken to counter a chemical process that often leads piracetam alone to cause mild headaches. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333951#Comment_333951
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333951#Comment_333951Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:16:11 -0500ArgosA friend of mine says he's tried coke, and that one was dangerous for him in that it made him feel invincible, and that he'd go out to bars and stuff while he was one it and pick fights with dudes way bigger than he was, dudes who, if he were sober, would never dare try and pick a fight with. So he stopped using it because it endangered his health indirectly by making him want to do crazy things.

On the topic of the post above me, I've heard rumors before that there were tests being done somewhere about the possible use of MDMA and psilocybin for treatment of depression since they tend to make people so happy. The cool think about psilocybin is that some people report they're overall happier even the couple of days following a psilocybin trip after it's worn off. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333960#Comment_333960
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333960#Comment_333960Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:32:34 -0500keyofsilenceI've completely re-established my love for alcohol. During my teens, like everyone I'm sure, I drank a lot of utter shit. Lambrini, MD 20/20, Fosters, Carling, White Lightning, that kind of poison. At times I really took the piss. I developed a rather high tolerance and ended up drinking a lot of Jack Daniels and, very occasionally, Absinthe that I/my parents had brought back from abroad. Two nights that I (don't) remember in particular were one where I drank about 30 shots in a drinking competition, then went home and slept alone. My opponent threw up in his sleep and luckily had his girlfriend by his side. I woke up the following morning realising that I probably should've died. The other was at a party where I drank a whole bottle of Absinthe to myself. Very, very stupid. Now that I'm older, however, I've replaced drinking loads of shit with drinking a relatively small amount of very good booze. I love my real ale and a damn fine Scotch these days, and most weeks I drink less than ten units and feel better for it.

My experiences with Ecstasy/MDMA have all been positive, but I don't do it often at all. It's been a couple of years since my last experience, which was on a stag night. The first time I ever did MDMA it blew my fucking head off in the most beautiful way and I spent the whole evening in love with the entire universe. I tend to avoid Ecstasy pills because you don't have a clue what you're getting, but every now and again I came across some utterly fantastic pills where the come-up feels like a launch into space.

Mushrooms have been a mixed bag. The first time I ever did them I went to watch the CGI Magic Roundabout movie at the cinema with a friend and started tripping during my trip up an escalator. After spending the evening howling with laughter in the cinema and smoking weed to keep myself grounded I had to go to bed alone, which was when the bad trip started. I learned that night that company is very important during hallucinogenic trips.

I only did Speed a few times. I decided to never do it again after getting utterly fucking wired and losing my college girlfriend's purse and mobile phone, then getting into an utterly horrible argument and spending the rest of the evening spouting utter nonsense and generally acting like a gibbering wreck. The comedowns were also utter torture. Only did Coke a couple of times, was buzzed for about ten minutes then started getting a headache. Didn't see the attraction.

I think that's it. I played it fairly safe really. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333965#Comment_333965Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:51:02 -0500AtomicSloth
1. You can't really tell that you're on it until it wears off, there's no buzz or high feeling like you get with other drugs, you're just imbued with arrogant confidence and energy and an unstoppable feeling (which can be useful, but without the compassion/emphathy of other euphoric stimulants can also be dangerous). So when it wears off you immediatly want to do more. With smoking crack it's the same only the feeling is more intense for a shorter time so the need to re-dose is higher. Often too high to control. Generally with drugs snorting is more stronger-shorter-moreish than swallowing, smoking more than snorting and injecting more than smoking. One of the reasons drugs that can't be smoked/injected are generally thought of as cleaner. (also there's plugging, sticking it up your bum, I'm not sure where that fits on the risk scale).

2. The price and quality. I tried it some years ago and had a lovely time but it was around £50 far too much for a casual night out. The quality (in this country at least) has dived since. I had a little bit last year and while initially it was good, it left me with a two-day headache. While you may be able to get it for £40 now, for anything that wont make you feel like shit you're looking at £100-150. And of course it will be cut with baby milk powder and Dimethocaine, amongst other things.

Also there's the mexican drug war. I know they used to claim buying pot funded evil arab terrorists around the world to stop people using, but with Cocaine it all comes from the same place, it's hard to deny people could have had their heads cut off somewhere along the cocaines transit.

Hallucinogens in the cinema are fun. We once took pills that I believe contained extracted baby woodrose/morning glory seeds and saw Phantom Of The Opera. Getting strange looks from all the grannies as we giggled to ourselves, and being obsessed with the redness of everything. Then going to the graveyard and talking about Tolkien. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333966#Comment_333966Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:54:14 -0500government spy
not using cocaine. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333969#Comment_333969Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:10:00 -0500Alan TysonI grew up in eastern Iowa, where all illegal drugs fit into three categories: pot, which everyone gets from Canada by way of Minnesota; meth, which you make yourself with farm equipment lying around (most meth cooks in Iowa start as young as 14, turning whole silos into centers of industry); and everything else, which no one really touches. I've done a fair bit of digging into Iowa drug and crime stories of the past ten years (for a story, of course, but also out of a weird resurgent fascination with the old homestead), and the only things that ever really come up are pot and meth, maybe a few high school kids get into some bad shroom juice now and then. The only pot smokers I knew were the worst, most layabout kind of stoners imaginable, so that turned me off pot in a way that all those PSAs and Health classes never did. Meth was a bit more interestin, but the labs kept blowing up too often for me to even consider it. That and my folks would have picked up on something like that right away, and my folks are cool enough people that I didn't want to do that to them.

College and Bill Hicks didn't make me want to try drugs, but they did get me to stop seeing them with abject terror. Art school introduced me to people who had come out of the other side of speed, LSD, cocaine, and all kinds of drugs that were so weird and strange that they only had lab names, not street names, which I'd never even heard of. I tried pot a few times, and the only effect it ever had was to give me a headache, which is too bad, because I'd had high (heh) hopes of using it as a migraine cure.

Hilariously, it was my straight, wear-a-tie-every-day, nine-to-six desk job that pushed me farther into drug reliance than anything ever did. I took up cigarettes as a stress relief, having one on the drive up, one on my lunch break if I left the office, and one on the drive home, maybe two if it had been a really bad day. I'd always liked the smell of tobacco, and I promised myself that if I ever needed to buy two packs a week, I would stop then and there. Thankfully that never happened, but it would get close, some weeks. In addition to this, my drinking picked up rapidly. I didn't get smashed every night, but where I'd usually have a beer with dinner, not even every night, I'd now have two or even three, maybe augmented with a double scotch on the rocks. This was also, looking back, a stress-relief of sorts, a way to deal with the confusing and self-contradictory nature of my job. I was closer to chronic depression during that time than ever before, and I honestly don't know if the smoking and drinking made it worse, or kept it from becoming worse. I do know, however, that the root cause was the job, and not the drugs.

After I got fired, my smoking quit entirely, and I'm back to a beer now and then, maybe a few scotches or mixed drinks if I feel like being silly for a night. This is partially to cut down on expenses, partially because I just don't need it anymore. I enjoy alcohol's effect on me, but I don't toss and turn at night if I don't get it. It also, and this is far more important to me, don't need either of them to write well, which is something I WAS concerned about. My daily wordcount was, indeed, higher when I was smoking, but I don't know that the quality was all that much better, and in any event, I wasn't writing every day because I just didn't have the energy after work, so it's evened out. I have a much harder time writing while drinking because I'm more easily distracted when I drink, and my writing computer is also my internet computer, which is also my video games computer, which is also my drawing computer, all of which takes less time, energy, and brains to do that piecing together a story word by word. Writing takes discipline, and beer and scotch aren't exactly conducive to that. I'm sort of curious to see what would happen if I tried writing while on THC, if I can ever get the stuff to have any effect on me, but it's not really on my bucket list.

One drug, or drug family, that I'm still very leery of is the Ritalin-Adderall gang. I was born in the late eighties, which means two things. 1) I'm a baby compared to most of you fine folks, for which I apologize, and 2) I was part of, as an old friend (whom I spent most of last night talking with about this stuff) called it, the Ritalin generation. I was diagnosed with ADD at age... I wanna say eight, but it may have been later... anyway, I got the diagnosis, and was assigned a therapist to deal with it. She prescribed Ritalin, and so I started taking a little tan-colored pill. This pill's effects were as follows: loss of appetite, loss of interest in social gathering, mildly increased interest in Legos. I didn't do any better in school and I still seemed very distracted and lost in my own thoughts, so they upped the dosage. This made me lose any interest in eating, and I became a human string bean. Other people, with the occasional exception of the rare interesting and intelligent adult, became little more than background noise and odd shapes in front of my vision. Legos, especially when combined with Star Wars books on tape, were FAR more interesting, not to mention intellectually stimulating. My grades did not improve. As it became clear that Ritalin wasn't doing much, we moved on to Adderall. My weight dropped even further, eating felt like swallowing hunks of chewy ice which hurt my stomach, and I'd flinch at another's touch. I also started developing strange facial ticks, like winking repeatedly. They dosage was upped for a final time, to 250 mg. This made Legos the center of my personal universe, and I built whole empires, with centuries of history and a central cast of dozens. If you weren't my parents, my annoying sisters, or my dog, you weren't really much of anything. Homework became about as real and immediately concerning as the Catholic Devil. I also developed a strange compulsion to repeat certain sentences under my breath right after I'd speak them (under my breath right after I'd speak them). Needless to say, this didn't help my reputation as a pathologically introverted, not-firing-on-all-cylinders kid in school.

So, basically, Ritalin and Adderall made me put on a low-production-quality, community theater version of autism.

I get people who take it for recreational use, and that it does help some people. For me, though, never again. Just the sight of the stuff makes me feel awkward and withdrawn. On the other hand, it probably introduced me to the joy of worldbuilding, which is essential to a writer. So, who knows? Maybe in a balanced, intelligently-applied way, it's good for stimulating creativity. I certainly don't want to be part of that study, but I'd love for a study to be done on that. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=333972#Comment_333972Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:04:16 -0500Alan Tysonappropriate

It seems the only good genetic qualities I got from my mother's side of the family is a lack of addiction. They are all crazy, depressed, obsessive compulsive, often suicidal, but... there's no addiction. And that's not for lack of opportunity. My mother and most of her siblings from what I can gather have all gone through very extreme phases of imbibing. But the use of inebriants was always only an issue of escapism or psychological compulsion; never addiction. If that makes sense.

Also, I'm in constant pain. That changes my opiod reception. I've rarely been "high" on opiates. The first time I took morphine pills (age 21?), I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, and it lasted for nearly 24 hours... but it was the first time I ever felt comfortable. It was amazing. but the amount of dope I have to ingest to get to that point makes me incapable of functioning, which is my goal. I use fiction for escapism, not drugs.

There was a while, when heroin was everywhere, that I kept myself an emergency stash. For when the pain got really really bad. It was amusing, because for months, both me and a roommate of mine were doing dope, and we only realized it long after the fact. The way I explained it to him was: "Whenever you see me cleaning the apartment, that's what I'm doing." There were rumors that I was a junkie, but really, nobody is a junkie when a 20 bag lasts a month. The difference between dope and vicodin is minimal.

For a few years there I was a dope dabbler. When you've got a best friend who's a junkie, and you don't want her to end up isolated, and she's going for a drive into Paterson and you don't want her to go alone, well... you end up along for the ride in more ways than one. I wonder if that made me a bad friend. I always told her that I thought it was a bad idea, and that she was sliding down, but I was her friend. I had a few bad weeks there, sure, when I got out of control with it and had the shivery awfulness and the crawling the the toilet on my knees and the dry heaving and crying blah blah... but somehow I was always able to pull back.

I had a prescription for Vicodin that was continually replenished for about four years. I never got out of control with it. I knew enough by then to pace myself and always take the third of fourth day off of pills, even though my pain doctors scoffed at the idea. I just happen to be lucky. I've teetered on the edge of going overboard a number of times. Probably 80% of the people closest to me in my adult life have been junkies, and I've watched as most of my old crew of friends became alcoholics and pill-junkies. And that's what freaks me out the most. Because...

I've done all the scary drugs and came away ok. But it was the herbal phen-fen I took obsessively when I was 21, and the slow release morphine pills I was given three years ago, those were the ones that took the greatest hold on me. I started to notice my body anticipating and needing the next morphine pill. I was quite surprised because I never had an issue with vicodin. I decided to take myself off the morphine, and it was the worst experience of my life. Every single awful back pain returned in searing burning agony. I locked myself in my room for days with vibrating back massagers and TENS unit attached to me, writhing and sobbing, wanting to crawl out of my flesh.

I can't imagine what my friends who had years of steady addiction had to endure.

But my point here is, what freaks me out about the whole drug thing is the PRESCRIBED ones. I've seen so many people who act like junkies, look like junkies, nod off like junkies, but don't think that they are junkies because they get pills out of a bottle instead of powder from a wax paper baggie. I feel like the seriousness of the situation has been removed. When you buy heroin, you know it. There is a weight to that decision. You are very conscious of the dangerous substance in your presence. But when you buy some pills of some guy, it seems harmless. And you can take them casually. And every six hours. And the dosage is exact so you get hooked that much quicker. And you don't bother to notice the danger signs.

I look back and I realize I was a total mess for a great number of years. People who knew me in my early 20's are kind of shocked at how "together" I am these days. Which, if you have met me, is a sort of ridiculous. I was a crazed "mangler". If you have it, I will ingest it. I'm better now.

But man, is it ever tempting to go back to it. I think, honestly, that part of it for me (probably since I'm lacking addiction) is the hunt. The simplicity of it. The purpose of the night, like every night, is to hunt and find. I had a purpose. To get mangled. I kind of miss that.

(holy crap, that's a ramble!)

@flecky - I'm sorry if this discussion is making you twitchy.

@atomicsloth - vicodin IS an opiate stronger than codiene.

@atavistian - Me too! I've got a big jug of piracetam I bought on amazon! My focus with drugs is rarely about trying to get high these days, and is almost always in my attempt to make me BETTER. I really did love adderall, and it made me a much more even keeled human, but it causes havok on my knotted back.

@atomic sloth - YES. the mexican drug war is a big reason why cocaine is a terrible drug to do. I'd only felt the high of cocaine once in my entire life. It took a lot. Also, I'm sure the ADHD aspect makes it difficult for me to get high, since I tend to get introspective and thinky on stimulants.

I actually remember reading an article in a magazine about the issue of whether or not the drugs you're getting are fair trade. It's an issue I had never thought about before until I read it, and it made a great point. What impact are you making by purchasing an illegal drug, since they are unregulated in their production and transportation? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334043#Comment_334043Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:02:38 -0500nelzbublinkandlink ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334044#Comment_334044Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:04:18 -0500sneak046
the mexican drug war is a big reason why cocaine is a terrible drug to doPersonally I find the fact that it can turn users into arrogant, nonsense-waffling utter cunts to be the biggest reason cocaine is a terrible drug. I am sorry if you've used it in the past, or are up to your eyeballs in it now but that is my opinion built on personal experience. I will never condemn anyone for using any substances, as it's their right to do whatever-the-fuck they like with their own bodies, but I have had too many horror stories to ever want to be around anyone that is either seriously involved in the drugs trade, or heavy smack/crack/coke/pills/speed etc users. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334054#Comment_334054Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:22:59 -0500AtomicSloth@Rachæl Tyrell I don't think you can get Vicodin in this country, always thought it was something like Vallium, looking it up, finding it's just a brand name for Hydrocodone or dihydrocodeinone, which I think I have taken once. My ex had knee surgery and was prescribed it, and I borrowed a few to knock myself out on a plane journey. It was quite a fun plane journey as I remember.

Also I just remembered probably my worst time with drugs, I had access to a lot of prescription Tramadol a few summers ago and I was heavily depressed and used the Tramadol to basically switch off. Turn off my brain, sleep as much as possible, not face the world. It was terrible and I've tried to forget it. I do find prescription painkillers, opiates etc worse for me than anything. I think they damaged my insides somehow because now if I take a Tramadol, or even a co-codamol tablet I feel terribly nauseous, which is probably a good thing. I guess it's possible if I had something stronger it wouldn't make me feel as sick, but I want to stay away from depressents. They are not good for me.

Idealy there'd be a cheap stimulant, that doesnt cause insomnia, that's stronger than caffeine, but not jittery, that I could take every other day. I tried Piracetam once, but either I was ripped off or they had no effect on me.

It's also about curiosity, trying new things, seeing what happens, boring your friends with the details. This weekend I took, for the second time, a new chemical called 5-IT, (5-(2-Aminopropyl)indole). It has similar effects to MDMA but not as intense. You're not in an over-thoughtful bubble, and are more sociable and down to earth. I like to try new research chemicals because they have the bonus of being (until the next media scare) legal, pure, cheap(ish) and relatively safe, as long as you read up on them and are careful. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334060#Comment_334060Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:54:18 -0500Rachæl Tyrell
Idealy there'd be a cheap stimulant, that doesnt cause insomnia, that's stronger than caffeine, but not jittery, that I could take every other day.

Modafinil. Order it from India. (though it's not very cheap, but if you can feign a cas of narcolepsy or shift-sleepiness you could get a 'script!)

I tried Piracetam once, but either I was ripped off or they had no effect on me.

It's not a one-time drug. It's effect is long term, like vitamins or antidepressants. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334062#Comment_334062
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334062#Comment_334062Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:21:04 -0500AtomicSloth
I do mean to check out Modafinil, just havent got round to it. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334067#Comment_334067
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334067#Comment_334067Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:09:05 -0500lampcommanderJust to add to the collective here, most of my experience with drugs has been through seeing others on drugs. My next-door neighbor growing up, a kid my age, had a rule to try everything at least once. So I got to see him on things like PCP and meth in addition to standards like LSD, codeine, and grass. In my own experience, I have smoked pot a few times and never liked it. I've only ever achieved a medium high once, and while it was nice, it reminded me of having a nice buzz from drinking and I just didn't respond to it with much interest. The other times were either one hit while I was already drunk, followed immediately by wondering why I'd even bothered because I wasn't going to notice it anyway, or getting stoned out of my gourd and sitting alone in the dark imagining bile wash over my tongue. I just don't find much enjoyment in it.

There's also painkillers, which I fucking HATE. Again, this is totally just my personal response, but I have felt the effects of painkillers when I've not needed it and it just made me physically feel like shit. I enjoy drinking, and probably only respond to that because it's more accepted in the US and is a moderated staple in my family, so I've just grown up knowing and learning about it. Even with that, I now (after college) drink only for taste, which doesn't mean I don't still get drunk from time to time--it just means that when I drink anything, whether out with friends or at home, it's going to be something I want to taste in my mouth, at the pace I want to go. The last time I drank out of specific motivation to get smashed it was my bachelor party and filled my tent with puke.

I've developed a personal rule over the years of not wanting any kind of drug besides alcohol, which I only enjoy for the craft and variation in style--I love whisky, beer, and wine, for example. I enjoy cigars and pipe tobacco for taste and smell, and only smoke tobacco once a month. And for some reason, I do really, REALLY want to try mushrooms and peyote, but only because those are the only things I believe will actually be consciousness-expanding experiences, and I want to do them in a Hicksian controlled environment of nature and spiritual communion. Maybe one day. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334076#Comment_334076Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:16:48 -0500sellmeyoursoulI haven't taken a single perc for about three years. My ex wife accused me of being a junkie in court during our divorce/custody dispute. I decided then and there, it didn't matter how much pain I was in, I was not going to take any narcotics again. Mind you, that was about four months after major back surgery (they came in from the front and then again the back two days later, fused two levels of my spine and inserted a bunch of hardware... 12 month estimated recovery time, so the 1 or 2 percocets a week I was on at the time was well below what my doctors felt I should be doing). ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334086#Comment_334086Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:01:32 -0500atavistian@RachelTyrell: I was working in pharmacy when Adderall went generic, and when something goes generic all the brand names obviously switch to generic/drug names on the bottles. Cue HUNDREDS of hysterical parents calling up screaming at us because "Amphetamine Salts" appeared on the label of their kid's prescription narcotic. One of the most surreal things I've ever been involved in, complete with parents refusing to believe that's what the drug actually was and having no concept of its nature despite forcefeeding it to their kids every day. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334118#Comment_334118Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:42:16 -0500VornaskottiDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334137#Comment_334137
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334137#Comment_334137Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:22:13 -0500icelandbobI need to my experiences up and on here in the next few days... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334142#Comment_334142Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:58:40 -0500Greasemonkey
while most people have a head full of nice good firewood, some have a room full of gasoline vapours, and you don't necessarily know it until you try

My policy is to take a quarter-dose of anything I haven't tried before, just to get the feel of the mental effects at a low level so I know how to handle them at higher doses. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334149#Comment_334149
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334149#Comment_334149Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:57:56 -0500fleckyI guess I will join in.

I've read a few posts and can respect what people have to say, I honestly do. If you can take substances and not let them destroy you then I guess that's...ok? Nothing to do with you lot, so don't take this wrong, but I hate it when people indulge in euphoric recall; it's something I've got to be very wary of, as I can do it. And nothing bores a lot of people more than when other people sit around going on about drugs.

Anyway, I'm surprised there's any left...I thought I'd taken all of 'em!

Seriously, though, as most of you know I am a full-blown addict of the 3rd kind, and it aint pretty. And I thought it would never happen to me when I was younger, so you got to be careful.

I must have done acid about 50+ times, swallowed E at raves from Hell until everyone was huggable, quaffed loads of magic mushrooms, smoked forests of weed and hash etc, snorted and ate ounces of speed, shot-up kilos of heroin and coke, smoked cinder-blocks of crack, gagged-on prescribed pills with names you really don't need to know, drunk rivers of methadone, had withdrawals from shit they don't even make anymore, slurped and banged-up handfuls of Ritalin and Dexedrine to be able to do everything and absolutely nothing, necked booze like it had just been invented, sat with bin-liners full of shite from breaking into chemists...

I could go on and on and on and on, but I won't, because I mostly regret it all. I really would like to write a book about all my stuff, but I don't want to make it just another story about being a junkie.

Is there a fucking doctor in the house? I want a cup of coffee and a fag! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334180#Comment_334180Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:10:42 -0500VornaskottiThat is so incredibly true and I think something that should be carried in the back pocket at all times: I don't think anybody woke up one morning and went "hey, I'm going to be an addict/alcoholic". Nobody's above ending up as one, so care should be taken... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334214#Comment_334214Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:54:35 -0500FoamheadA sure sign of getting old is the realisation you have more prescription drug anecdotes than recreational ones...which this thread just provided, thanks. Bear in mind, I haven't touched anything illegal since June 1991 (I only remember because it was at a concert and the E I took to liven things up was as shit as the band's performance), so my information, attitudes and opinions might be a little obsolete.

Ecstasy: The. Best. Or at least between 88-91 when I was enjoying it during and beyond the whole godawful "Madchester" thing I was stuck in the epicentre of, working and socialising in Manchester. Despite costing £25/$40 a pop for a long time, it was a going-out must-have, to the point where, when I stopped taking it, I lost all interest in going out. For me, all those "in love with the world" clichés were 100% spot on and being anywhere surrounded by other E-heads was regularly one of the most chilled, nicest environments I've been in - even people you normally wouldn't piss on if they were on fire were OK to be with. Quit when it was dirt cheap and everywhere, with lager louts boasting about how many tabs they'd taken over the weekend instead of pints, but mostly, because you could buy it anywhere, you couldn't be sure what was actually in it (because I did personally chemically analyse all the early ones before taking them, I know.) Despite being fat, middle-aged and a physical wreck, if someone offered me one of the pills from when I first tried it, I'd tear their hand off, but that's the only one I ever get pangs to try again and I think 90% of that is nostalgia for that time of my life rather than the chemical itself.

Weed: The few times I tried it, it always left me feeling numb and paranoid, so never developed a liking. Especially after a spliff helped trigger the worst acid trip I ever had. It can usually be a lot of fun to be the only one who's sober when everybody else is stoned to buggery, though. Not my experience but a guy I worked with loved his Mary-Jane for most of the time I knew him. One day he told me he'd "knocked it on the head" (he's proper cockney) and couldn't believe the difference it made to his ability to focus, eating habits, energy levels and even his sleep pattern. His reform didn't last but he'd learned how something he saw as being on a par with normal cigarettes really affected him.

Speed: Best summed-up by another guy I worked and went "raving" with: "You spend all week in the shop with me and barely say a word but as soon as you're speeding, you pin me in a corner and talk at me till my ears bleed." (Govt. Spy, we are never meeting whilst on drugs, OK?) Enjoyable enough at the time, if you overlook the low-level panic attack on the way up, my complete inability to piss if I took too much and increasingly bad downers for days afterwards, culminating with nearly chinning an awkward customer because he spent "too long" umming and ahhing about which Happy Mondays baseball cap he was going to buy. That's when I stopped.

LSD: Only got started on this because nobody had E on the night. Me and the same guy as above split half a "Judge Dredd" (it even had a little picture of him printed on it, bless), innocently/naively/complete dumb-assedly assuming it wouldn't be that different to ecstasy. Spent the next 6 hours wandering, literally wide-eyed, around the Hacienda, smoking 80 (eighty) cigarettes between us (when neither of us smoked), scared-off the wannabe "gangsters" who deliberately blocked us during one of the thousands of laps we made round the club just by looking so out of it and ended with my friend standing on the edge of the stage for...minutes/hours/weeks before calmly stepping off and landing on his face a few feet below because he was convinced the dancefloor had risen up to his level. Carried on taking it, despite all this, and even experienced the predictable "at one with the universe" moment until my ex dragged me into her parents' house because she was suffering from the other half of the tab I was on. Gave up because, with me at least, that first bad trip made me conscious of it happening again when doing acid which only served to create a delightful self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe some of your experiences can clarify this for me because apparently it's unusual, but I only ever had two moments of visual hallucinations throughout months of tripping my tits off.

Cocaine: Tried it once, when very, very drunk. All it did was sober me up which, at the time, really pissed me off. A lot of your descriptions about the stuff ring bells re: a good friend who really got into it. I'd have still classed him as a recreational user but the last time we spoke (getting on for 7 or 8 years now), he was cranky, paranoid and not a shade of the easy-going bloke he had been. Even before that happened, and ignoring all the 80s stereotypes, I'd never seen anyone who didn't turn into a wanker the moment it was up their nose for the first time.

Amyl Nitrate/Poppers: Evil shit. Bought a bottle to try once but just cracking it open was enough to bring on a killer headache and I've had to leave clubs because there was so much of it in the air.

Why did I try any of these? Because I was young, stupid, they were very readily available and, in the case of ecstasy, free - my former employer told all his workers they "have to try this stuff because it's fucking brilliant!" (I miss working there sometimes.) Why did I carry on taking them for the time I did? Because they were (mostly) fun, everybody at work the next day was in the same state, with even the boss so shedded he couldn't give us grief for not doing any work, and it turned me into someone else who I disliked slightly less: not as uptight, unrecognisably sociable and (ugh) danced occasionally (arms-only, trance-dance stylee but without the whistle, bandana, sunglasses and other various dayglo rave accoutrements - I was too busy selling all that shit to kids at work, thank fuck.)

(Btw, all these experiences took place in nightclubs and the like, never at home or for noble expand-your-consciousness-for-the-sake-of-it reasons - the drugs were alcohol replacements or substitutes. And they all happened while I still lived with my parents, who didn't have a clue, making the morning-after scenarios horribly entertaining.)

I dunno. Maybe I've been lucky but, Bad Coke Friend aside, I've never known anyone "gateway" from these onto anything stronger or injectable and, at least last time I bothered paying attention, 20-odd years later, nobody's addicted, developed dementia (yet) or died as a result of their recreational usage. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334215#Comment_334215Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:57:20 -0500FoamheadAnyway, here's Pt. II. Apologies again.

Perhaps because I'm older and nominally wiser or, more likely, due to having to take them, the mouthful of prescription meds for assorted back, stomach and brain problems I start and end each day with worry me a hell of a lot more than any of the "fun" ones listed above ever did, even though the legal ones quantifiably add to my quality of life. There are others I've flat-out refused to take even though they might be of benefit to me and my ailments - almost always because of the warning sign advising people not to suddenly stop taking them. Although I could conceivably be taking them for the rest of my life, I don't want to be addicted/reliant on them for themselves. Tramadol was a prescription (for my back) I got filled but, before I'd had chance to take one, my desk neighbour at work spotted the bottle and asked if I'd be willing to sell some or all to him. Call it an overreaction but medicine which interests someone enough they're willing to pay to obtain on the sly so they can take for whatever high or other effect it has, isn't something I really want to be taking a couple of times a day and, after reading what AtomicSloth said about it, glad I didn't bother. I can't find who also said they do this, sorry, but I take drug days-off from the Zapain (extra-strength codeine/paracetamol) and nortriptyline once a month or so, too, just to reassure myself I'm not hooked for any other reason than the pain-relief they give.

The ratio contrasting the different types of pills I've stopped taking due to side effects or lack of desired effect and those I'm currently on is about 8-to-1 so, by the same logic, maybe you have to keep trying different recreational ones until you discover the one that's right for you?

I didn't take any amphetamines before starting this but enough already. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334226#Comment_334226Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:59:04 -0500fleckyI probably gave you are hug in the Hacienda in all that Madchester stuff. Shit, to the younger folk on here we must sound like hippies going on about Woodstock :)

Glad you mentioned Amyl/Poppers; it's like taking the effects of glue mixed with the stench of chlorine and bleach. Headaches are imminent, that is a certainty. I used to go to clubs where the stink of it was like a pissed-in indoor swimming pool. I once spilled a whole bottle down the front of my jacket in a taxi coming back from a club with some people. I think I laughed insanely for about twenty-minutes, then probably just groaned with a migraine when I got indoors. I can't remember.

Which is something a hear a lot; all these wicked nights-out, where you think your having a great time (at the time)...they can all become a bit of a blur. You can't really remember them properly in later life, which is a pity. I've got fonder memories of, say, going to see The Cure (when they started), Motorhead (when I was a heavy-metal kid) etc. than all the bands I saw when off my head. In my early twenties I used to go to a thrash-metal night every Sunday and get stinking drunk. I can't really remember any of the bands properly, but what I can remember was acting like a tit.

And that's not good.

EDIT TO ADD: Maybe the bands where shite, and I don't want to remember! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334230#Comment_334230Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:45:27 -0500VornaskottiCutting in line in Finland:

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334233#Comment_334233Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:04:37 -0500atavistianGiven that control prescriptions are only good for six months from the date they're written versus the year for noncontrols, this had the wonderful effect of instantly and retroactively canceling every tramadol script more than six months old. Cue hundreds of thousands patients with "x refills available until [this date]" printed on the bottle screaming over prescriptions now expired thanks to the rescheduling. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334274#Comment_334274Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:19:11 -0500Jason A. Quest
I'd be very interested to hear folks opinions on the idea of a genetic predisposition towards addictive patterns of behaviour.I don't know if it's genetic, but I seem to be fairly non-addictive. I've had periods in which I've used marijuana, vicodin, oxycontin, pretty regularly for extended periods of time... then just quit when the supply dried up, and simply didn't look back. Even though I drink alcohol and caffeine pretty much daily, I've quit both cold-turkey for like backpacking trips, and wasn't bothered. And then there's the stuff like E or coke or amphetamines, which I usually did just once in a while before I quit that crap. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334287#Comment_334287Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:35:34 -0500Bombus HortorusOn prescription drugs - took prozac for a while, initially was heavenly, felt like a zen master, nothing could faze me, could see the universe and loved it; then I came off it and it never worked for me again. They put me on Venlafaxine, which worked at first and then turned me into a zombie, put on three stone and became so lethargic it really hurts to watch family videos from when my kids were really small - I just look like a drowsy bear in all of them, and in a lot of cases I'm half asleep, lord knows how I held a job down. Came off that when I had to apologise to my boss for being asleep at my desk most days... withdrawal from Venlafaxine is, eh, intriguing... Citalopram seems to work, have been on and off that for about four years now; don't seem to be able to get off it, but at least have a degree of stability.

Am quite ambivalent these days about illegal drugs. There are several people who I used to hang around with that are dead from heroin. Three close friends are alcoholics. Another old friend now stands on a roundabout from dawn to dusk with a hoody and backpack and sometimes a picture of Princess Diana and has a facebook group dedicated to him by fuckwit smartarse students who don't know he was one of them once - took a lot of ecstasy and never came back. I feel very lucky I came out of all that pretty unscathed, because so many didn't make it. Sometimes wonder if it would be fun to try and reenact Fear and Loathing again, but I'm not that person any more, and on balance, I don't want to be. Worst vice now is probably caffeine, although at high enough quantities it does the same thing as speed and tastes nicer. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334311#Comment_334311Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:06 -0500Rachæl TyrellExactly. But... I wish I did want to. Sort of like, I don't really want to be a smoker again. Because now I am too possessed with the stink and the worthless cost and the way my body feels. But I miss being the person who smoked a pack and a half a day and could thoroughly enjoy it.

My policy is to take a quarter-dose of anything I haven't tried before, just to get the feel of the mental effects at a low level so I know how to handle them at higher doses.

Smart man. Part of my main reason for avoiding psychedelics is that I've got a head full of metaphorical gasoline fumes. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334330#Comment_334330Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:14:59 -0500fleckyThe thing about psychedelics, apart from me reverting to monkey form and climbing up trees in seconds, was that I used to know the answer to EVERYTHING - the answer to that niggling, gargantuan question that philosophy and existentialism couldn't answer for me. I could see the meaning to life, even though I felt like I had a cabbage-entity growing in my stomach. Problem was, though, I didn't know what the fucking question was, so I really never got anywhere.

Horror factoid: the withdrawals from methadone can feel like the worse trip going. Walls and faces melt, greenery looks like something from Swamp Thing, and that's just what the eye can see. I'm so glad I'm off that evil shit. I'm on a small dosage of Subutex (buprenorphine) at the moment, and when I got clean a few weeks back the withdrawals weren't too bad: facing up to my addiction was the monster that got me.

Anyway, psychedelics. My crap advice is take with like minded people, don't do it in clubs or cities, as nature is your best bet on that stuff. Be somewhere where you can fall-over and point at the sky going purple without people saying, "What's the matter with you?"

Horrible question, that. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334333#Comment_334333Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:19:37 -0500ScrymgeourBy the way, some interesting stuff from the Madchester people, being born there too late for that scene. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334362#Comment_334362Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:23:58 -0500Greasemonkey
Smart man. Part of my main reason for avoiding psychedelics is that I've got a head full of metaphorical gasoline fumes.

I tend toward paranoia when on some types of psychotropic drugs, and I never know which ones are going to trigger an episode until I take them. Worst trip I ever had was on weed, after accidentally taking about ten times the safe dose of hash-infused chocolate. Lapsed into a death fugue and a coma that lasted 12 hours, and didn't fully recover for two days. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334374#Comment_334374Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:59:40 -0500Bombus Hortorus@rachael - I sometimes yearn to be that person again, I sit in my shed and get drunk and think about going back there, but then at the end of the day, I can't deal with the loss of control any more, or, most of all, the idea of my children seeing me in that state. So, if I ever had the chance to go and live in the desert for three weeks with none of my family around, I'd probably slaughter the second coming of Christ for some good acid, but in everyday, mundane life, not so much,

That said, I have no impulse control whatsoever so if someone stuck something in front of me, I'd take it and hang the consequences. Best I stay well clear really. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334375#Comment_334375Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:02:16 -0500Alastairi'm an asshole when i'm drunk but not when i'm high so..... i dunno. morbid bit coming:

i've lost friends and family to addiction. its a scary scary thing that no-one is above. i know people who wouldn't describe themselves as addicts but are. Fully.i have so much respect for anyone who has beaten addiction its probably the hardest thing anyone would have to do.

Flecky, man... seriously you are the sort of guy i admire, not for your mistakes but for your strength in admitting and overcoming them. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334392#Comment_334392Sat, 16 Jun 2012 02:32:55 -0500keyofsilenceAnyway, that's one item off my shopping list for this stag do. Now I need some MDMA and acid (having never tried it and wanted to do so for a long time, although I'm still a bit apprehensive).

...actually, I'm going to see if my friend can get ahold of more mushrooms. I don't think I can wait. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334751#Comment_334751Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:37:16 -0500nelzbublink ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334776#Comment_334776Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:46:36 -0500ArgosDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334780#Comment_334780
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334780#Comment_334780Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:08:24 -0500Argos
with them to make a cute of they money. And people who are buying cocaine don't realize this. I personally know a few people who've said they tried it - one was the guy who said it was scary because it made him want to pick fights with guys who could beat them to a pulp, the other was a conservative lady-friend I have who said it wasn't worth it because she didn't feel anything. The latter friend is one who actually really pissed me off when I learned she had tried coke because she sometimes gets all high and mighty about being a conservative who does her civil duty as a citizen and whatever, and she'll be the first person to give an immigrant shit if they're not a citizen yet even if they don't even qualify for citizenship yet (I have seen her do this), yet she has no problems with buying some drug that fuels powerful and violent drug cartels in Mexico.

So I'm not sure where else to go with this other than to say that it's an issue that concerns me. On the one hand, I wish drugs like weed and hallucinogenics could be legalized, as well as the manufacturing of them as a way to cut out the crime(I just got to the part in Nel's interview where he says that their source of weed is still illegal bc it's 40 yr old men growing in their closets and that's not legal). Thing is, I'm actually not sure what kind of ethics are involved in the making and growing of mushrooms, MDMA, acid, etc. etc. The drugs that ARE for a fact horribly unethical, such as coke, are the ones I personally wouldn't want legalized because they're such bad drugs for humans. So I'm kind of caught in this dilemma of "legalize drugs so that we can make them fair trade! Wait except don't legalize coke cos it it really actually is bad. Oh wait that's the one that has Mexico all fucked up right now with its lack of ethics, huh..."

I'm done rambling about the ethics of drugs, now. It really just was that article that got me thinking about how the drugs I AM okay with are made and traded, since they're also part of the underground drug trade.

edit: I found the article, it's from the NY Times. I wasn't sure at first if it was the correct one since the pictures they used were different since I last saw it, but I skimmed it and it's the same info I was saying above. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334808#Comment_334808Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:56:46 -0500Bombus HortorusNot just cocaine - a couple of miles from where I used to live, in leafy Hampshire in the UK, they grow opium. Miles of it. For medicine. But we're trying to eradicate it with extreme force in Afghanistan? Is there really not a better way? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334810#Comment_334810Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:45:51 -0500Cat Vincent
The Four Things You Need To Know About Ayahuasca:1. It tastes like dead arse.2. It actually tastes worse every time you drink it.3. It really opens up the sluices at both ends.4. It's just DMT with a MAOI chaser.

This has nothing to do with my ex-wife divorcing me because she became an ayahuascera. Honest. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334811#Comment_334811Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:50:43 -0500KosmopolitThat stopped largely becasue the UN started a program to buy their entire output for the manufacture of painkillers in exchange for programs to stop it beign grown illegally.

I hve not yet read a credible explanation of why the same thing isn't done in Afghanistan. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=334815#Comment_334815Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:24 -0500Greasemonkey
- I did something similar once, thought I was dying in a kind of slow motion strobe effect. Wasn't fun at all...

I got the strobing effect too. It's probably related to the way THC messes with short term memory in high doses; I could feel the seconds breaking off and flying away one by one, like individual playing cards peeling off a deck. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=336196#Comment_336196
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=336196#Comment_336196Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:50:09 -0500nelzbubA Cure for Fear?

I tried weed way before I was in bars smoking and drinking. It was the unavailable nature of weed the first summer after my freshling year that led me to stray. If I had had ready access to weed that summer, I would have happily spent it on the couch playing video games.

Instead, I got into boozing and smoking down at the bar that was always open, at least during my non working hours. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337912#Comment_337912Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:12:00 -0500AtomicSlothMoney wise you can either get a pre-mixed blend for about half the price of weed. Or you can make it yourself: get some Damiana or Marshmallow herbs add a few other herbs or juices for flavouring then soak the whole lot in some acetone that's got the cannabinoid chemical mixed in. Ends up being less than a fifth the price of weed.

Latest chemical Ur-144 is said to be pretty indistinguishable from the natural product, and people have been using AM-2201, AM-2233 etc for a while now. (JWH-018 was the most effective but that's been made illegal in most countrys over the last year or so).

It has been known to make people paranoid and have panic attacks. Also you build up a tolerance a lot quicker than with natural weed and there's warnings all over the place about people getting addicted to it, smoking stronger and stronger blends. I think it's one of those things that's nice to try every now and then, but not reccomended to replace your weed if you're the kinda guy who wakes smokes all day err day. I think these chemicals might be more interesting in a different delivery system, other than being mixed up with herbs and smoked. Vapourised or eaten maybe. I might buy the "Bluberry Blitz" herbal blend next time I get paid. It's main ingredient is UR-144. Just to see what it's like. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337917#Comment_337917Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:44:18 -0500joe.distort
Has anyone tried any of those legal smoking blends which are sold as an alternative to weed? Most of the reviews are pretty bad.

are you talking Spice (synthetic weed) or those other weed-alikes?

i admit, ive broken down and tried a few synthetics when the other options have dried up for weeks at a time. they taste like hay w artificial candy flavor sprinkled on, and the first time you smoke each different blend, you get CRAZY high for like 30 minutes. you develop a tolerance extremely fast though, so its a bit of diminishing returns. also, ive noticed that with myself and the lady, it makes you devour everything in sight. im not a 'munchies' guy when i get high, but with spice i eat until im fit to burst. its even cheaper than half the price of weed here, you can get a few grams for $5 at most liquor stores/smoke shops. overall, its not that great. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337919#Comment_337919Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:04:26 -0500Greasemonkey
are you talking Spice (synthetic weed) or those other weed-alikes?

Strictly the herbal blends like Platinum Haze, that are sold as incense. I don't trust the artificially made stuff.

I tried salvia one time - never again! ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337926#Comment_337926
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337926#Comment_337926Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:52:17 -0500AtomicSlothDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337927#Comment_337927
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337927#Comment_337927Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:04:34 -0500AtomicSloth
Has inverse tolerance so the more seperate times you take it, the stronger the effects become. So people take it once, have little to no reaction and feel it's a weakass fake drug. I had a few mild times with it, and one scary one where I was completly transported to a different place, trapped in a conveyer belt in a television and everything was 70's brown and a little like Mad Max and the Thunderdome. The room, the music, everyone around me, disapeared for what felt like half an hour, but was really 1 minute. Have no desire to do it again. Rest of the night was fun though, no lingering effects. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337930#Comment_337930
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337930#Comment_337930Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:01:09 -0500Greasemonkey
IZMS Luau Love down in the gay neighbourhood, and I'm going to give it a whirl. I'm using a water pipe with a small bowl and plenty of water.

1) First impressions. The product sells for $16:75 for a 1.25 gram sachet, so it's around 25% cheaper than good chronic. It looks like coarse cigarette tobacco, smells like pina colada, and is dry but soft to the touch. There's none of the crumbly buds or stickiness you get with weed. There's a little promotional card with the sachet with a Space Invader character promising that This Stuff Gets You ROCKED.

3) High. Very fast, about 30 seconds. Very strong, comparable to White Widow. Very spinny mental effects, strong euphoria, pleasant body buzz. I wouldn't recommend this as a smoke for first-timers because of its intensity, but seasoned smokers will find this enjoyable apart from the taste.

Back in an hour or so to review the aftereffects. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337934#Comment_337934
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337934#Comment_337934Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:11:38 -0500GreasemonkeyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337949#Comment_337949
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337949#Comment_337949Fri, 03 Aug 2012 03:31:10 -0500KosmopolitIt actually seems to work: on the doc's advice I ook it once only. I'm suppsoed to try to keep it down to one night a week or less. But after years of really severe insomnia, three days later i', still cruiosning quite happily.

That's because of a truly terrifying and very long list of potential side-effects including hallucinations, paranoia, sleep walking, parasomnia and addiction. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337957#Comment_337957
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=337957#Comment_337957Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:43:26 -0500fleckyOne of my neighbors called me boring, as I no longer smoke weed or hash. This is coming from a guy who stays indoors with his soul-dead woman whilst listening to Dire Straights.

God, I'm so tortured...it's pathetic! Would you like some Rohypnol in your tea, my darling? *cue cacophony of wailing violins* ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338048#Comment_338048
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338048#Comment_338048Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:19:40 -0500KosmopolitFrom what I gather it sorta barely qualifies as a drug being on par with coffee as a stimulant.

Wondering if anyone's tried it, is it worth the bother? ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338084#Comment_338084
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338084#Comment_338084Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:27:40 -0500joe.distortDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338088#Comment_338088
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338088#Comment_338088Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:04:11 -0500ArgosDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338101#Comment_338101
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338101#Comment_338101Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:37:23 -0500glukkakeI have banned myself from drinking it. I used to drink the Teany bottled one with green tea and guarana to start my days, then I would 8-9 hours without eating anything and wonder why I felt so weird and angry at the end of the day. I am a bit sensitive to things though. It's supposed to be an appetite suppressant. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338107#Comment_338107
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338107#Comment_338107Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:39:15 -0500ArgosDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338110#Comment_338110
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338110#Comment_338110Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:45:42 -0500trini_naenaeDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338115#Comment_338115
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338115#Comment_338115Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:06:38 -0500mister hexI drink. I like to drink. Morning, noon, night, whatever. Drinking makes me me. If you don't LIKE me, then whatever. I drink. I like to drink.

That said, I know my limits and my combinations : no rum, tequila, bourbon. Ever. Southern Comfort is also out, whatever it is. I don't mind liqueur, as an aperatif. But you don't get gunned drinking liqueur or however you spell it.

Gin, be careful. Scotch is okay but not too much. Jagermeister is rocket fuel but not straight-to-the-drunk-tank rocket fuel.

I used to drink rye. When I was a kid. I'm older now. I drink scotch instead.

Mainly, I drink beer. Lots of it. And ain't no fancy "ooh, what does this pale ale bring to mind?" kinda shit, I drink Beck's inna fuckin can. Lately, I've branched out to Harp inna fuckin can because it's cheaper than Beck's.

I also smoke pot. Or hash. Or oil. Nobody's mentioned oil yet. Oh, oil. You're disgusting but you're gorgeous. Flecky & GovSpy will both back me up on this. Good oil is ... better than not having dope. It's way better than having shit dope, anyway. (Govspy must see dudes hoopin oil, as it's way less bulkier and easier to conceal in prison, is why I said that. Plus, one man with a vial of oil is a small business in prison.) Yes, we like to smoke dope, don't we (by this, I mean me and the several other people who own real estate in my consciousness.. A direct result of my love of ... )

L. S. Motherfuckin' (wait fot it!!!) ... d. Yes, I've done acid several times. Never stacking (multiple hits at once) but regularly (every day for a while? cause, like, why not? What's that, Care Bear? You want me to rub your BELLY? Well, okay, but don't bite me this time ... ) Yes, I was an acid head, for a while in I think it was the Eighties. Good times, as I recall.

Mushrooms? The scene is Earth Day, 1990. My friend and I eat mushrooms out of a bag as if they were potato chips. Never forget most of what I remember from THAT day.

I saw something bad today at the clinic: A woman, younger than me (probably early forties), who has been drinking heavily since she was a kid. Jesus! She looked like an old, red-faced man. Fucking sad, man. Fucking sad.

Chin-up! ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338158#Comment_338158
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338158#Comment_338158Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:10:45 -0500PaprikaYea I did some crazy stuff when I was a youngun, some of it was fun, some of it was frankly, terrifying looking back.

An Ex girlfriend died of a heroin overdose. This was after we had split up, I went to another town for a few weeks, and came home to find out she had started going out with someone who got her into Herion and she died.

I like beer and single malt, I look way too much like a cop to ever be able to buy anything else these days. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338160#Comment_338160
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338160#Comment_338160Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:14:46 -0500fleckyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338161#Comment_338161
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338161#Comment_338161Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:18:43 -0500Paprikahttp://www.tontobooks.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=Riverside you might even be in. No doubt out paths crossed. I don't have a hair on (the top of) my head these days but I had big sweaty dreds back then. Barley mow is now derelict. Sad times mate. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338163#Comment_338163
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338163#Comment_338163Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:41:56 -0500fleckyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338215#Comment_338215
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338215#Comment_338215Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:57:56 -0500GreasemonkeyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338217#Comment_338217
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338217#Comment_338217Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:15:08 -0500LokiZeroI'm on my 3rd week of it, which is my 2nd week not smoking. It's been pretty interesting so far. I've tried the patch, gum, and vapor smokes, but I'd always end up ripping them off, spitting them out, or throwing them away for a new pack of smokes. But with Chantix...

With Chantix I don't even think about it. It's like this crazy wonder drug! I haven't had any of the possible side effects (rage, suicidal thoughts, flatulence) other than vivid dreams, but I've had worse when I fell asleep with the patch on.

I do worry about what's going to happen when I'm off it though. We'll find out in 6 weeks.

I also had all my wisdom teeth removed a few weeks ago (which probably helped me quit smoking) and was given a week's worth of Vicodin. Man, that stuff is great. I could easily get addicted to it, I'm glad they wouldn't renew my Rx.

Another drug I could easily get addicted to is Xanax. The wife has a Rx, 3mg a day, and I'll take one every once in a while (she hordes them). God, it's like time travel. They make the day go by soooo faaaaast. Which isn't always a good thing, but it makes work bearable some days. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338222#Comment_338222
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338222#Comment_338222Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:19:23 -0500GreasemonkeyI wasn't kidding, this stuff will drive you into suicidal, psychotic paranoia if you make a habit of it. Because the active ingredient is a new compound which only mimics THC, the effects are markedly different from genuine cannabis. Each high gets worse than the one before, until it becomes unbearable. I'm a pretty stable guy, and I came within a whisker of killing myself a few hours ago after smoking a bowl. My wife came home from work to talk me down (I am married to the world's most brilliant, patient and beautiful woman), fortunately, and I'm sworn off synthetic weed for good. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338239#Comment_338239
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=338239#Comment_338239Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:36:11 -0500KosmopolitStillnox should have "Do not exceed recommended dosage or you won't sleep for 48 hours straight, will experience intense depression and irrational terror and will spend several hours shitting and puking. Really. we mean it. Yes, taking two pills in one day is enough to cause this" ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342274#Comment_342274
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342274#Comment_342274Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:49:05 -0500GreasemonkeyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342278#Comment_342278
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342278#Comment_342278Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:14:31 -0500joe.distortDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342285#Comment_342285
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342285#Comment_342285Thu, 18 Oct 2012 01:03:57 -0500Kay OrchisonDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342484#Comment_342484
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342484#Comment_342484Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:07:40 -0500zoemAnyone else ever use nerontin (gabapentin)? It's a lovely thing, very e-like in its effects, especially the enjoyment of music. No hangover to speak of save for being sharp and awake. I haven't found the downside yet, but maybe it's destroying my kidneys?

Aside from that, I am really loving Buffalo Trace bourbon. And bourbon in general. Oh, bourbon. Why do you love me so much? ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342516#Comment_342516
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342516#Comment_342516Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:47:08 -0500joe.distortbut if you DO use it a lot just keep in mind that even in people who use it correctly under a doctors supervision, kidney damage is possible and they have to take kidney function bloodwork about every 6 months to see if they need to temporarily suspend

and you are very correct about Buffalo Trace. even the smell of the cork is just delicious to me ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342614#Comment_342614
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342614#Comment_342614Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:06:13 -0500Fauxhammer
screaming. It was an awful, awful experience. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342636#Comment_342636
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342636#Comment_342636Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:10:05 -0500GreasemonkeyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342645#Comment_342645
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342645#Comment_342645Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:57:48 -0500FinagleDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342677#Comment_342677
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342677#Comment_342677Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:00:10 -0500mister hexDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342683#Comment_342683
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342683#Comment_342683Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:42:37 -0500AtomicSloth
The only other place I've ever seen it available is Silk Road, but I still haven't got round to getting any bitcoins. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342686#Comment_342686
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342686#Comment_342686Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:02:28 -0500AtomicSloth
There's the 2C family of chemicals, the most popular I think are 2C-B and 2C-I which has the effects of both LSD and Ecstacy.And there's a few potent interesting (currently) legal psychedelics you can buy cheaply online like AMT, the NBOMe series and 5-MeO-DALT ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342780#Comment_342780
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342780#Comment_342780Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:25:38 -0500Cat Vincent
Erowid is your friend. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342795#Comment_342795
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342795#Comment_342795Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:01:46 -0500BadBeast

Actually, good acid is very like it, but when those huge waves of Psil start rolling in, you never know just how far you're going to get taken. ]]>
Drugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342800#Comment_342800
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=342800#Comment_342800Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:58:30 -0500GreasemonkeyDrugs, Drinking, and Doctor Pills - the Substances Threadhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=343253#Comment_343253
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=10709&Focus=343253#Comment_343253Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:35:00 -0500Rachæl TyrellRegarding marijuana: I had no idea that during the autumn, being harvest time, farms across the country (in places like New Mexico, for example) hire people to trim freshly cut buds and pay at a rate of $200 (or an ounce of weed) for each pound of trimmed marijuana. I also did not know that on popular highway routes from there to the east coast, there are traps set by state troopers to lure panicky drivers with illegal contraband. I also did not know that a person (if a white or asian female) might drive away relatively unscathed after being found with over four pounds of marijuana in the trunk of a rental car.