Reports: Proton acquires Petronas engine technology

A report by Bernama states that Proton has acquired all of Petronas’ engine technologies as well as the associated technology patents at a cost of RM63 million. The deal encompasses seven engine technologies as well as 117 technology patents.

The reports adds that the acquisition gives Proton immediate ownership of a family of normally-aspirated engines and turbocharged 2.0 litre engines, as well as a 2.2 litre turbocharged version to complement its existing Campro engine line-up, according to Proton chairman Datuk Seri Khamil Jamil.

“Proton and Petronas initiated the engine technology exploration in 1996. It is now time to take over from Petronas, since the company decided in 2010 to exit completely from all engine development activities,” he told reporters at the agreement signing.

The only Petronas-developed engine revealed to date is the E01e inline-four, 16-valve DOHC engine with variable valve timing, which is a normally-aspirated unit, so the mention of turbocharging could mean previously unrevealed tech.

Designed to be configurable in three displacements (1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 litres), the E01 first appeared in 1998 in a Proton Waja and a Satria GTI.

The original design target for the unit was 200 PS and 200 Nm of output as well as a 120 kg weight – when delivered, these benchmark numbers were surpassed, the rated output being 204.3 PS at 7,300 rpm and 203 Nm at 5,300 rpm, and the engine tipped the scales at 108.9 kg.

Commercially, the engine never made its way into series production Protons, despite an intention to do so. In 2005, it was reported that Nanjing Automobile would be using the Petronas E01 technology in its vehicle line-up. It was later mentioned that the unit was to be built in China.

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Here. It complice the euro 4 emmision.
I concern a few issue about this engine regarding the torque curve.
As you van see there. A Campro dejavu all pver again. At 1500-2500 rpm, there is a torque dip.
The torque curve aren’t flat as Proton Campro CPS and K20a. It more like Toyota/Mitsubishi engine.
Maybe Proton could solve it with CPS. And maybe put in a twin cvvt to increase the torque range to 7000rpm.

I’ve seen this Petronas engine! (before this story came up)
all the development and testing done at… here in Malaysia lah ;)
It is on final stage before it is put on production at China early next year

it was awesome!
technology, emission, power… all kautim la!
way better than those 2 litre T and H engine i must say :D

I guess other car manufacturers design all their parts. Zero dependent on others. They design their own parts then produce their own parts then assemble their own parts. Proton is the only car manufacturer in the world that have to use outside parts isnt’. If only that is true.

then what do u call the Campro/CPS/CFE???
even P2 cant even develop their own engine from design up (All of their design made in Japan.. huh).

the CamPro engine family was joint develop by Proton-Lotus.

Get ur facts straight b4 bashing Proton/engineers.
These engineers r also Malaysian like u. If any of all of u Proton_Bashers United really thinks u can do better, I challenge all of u to set up a company that can mass produce cars that is ultimately superior than Proton’s to beat in it’s own class.
THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE KICK IN THE PROTON’S FACE BASHING 4 U ALL PROTON-HATERS!

NZ engine family class that use by vios was built since 1997….even engine SZ in new myvi come from family engine that was built since 1999…but since than the engine upgraded to what we can see now. there nothing wrong with engine tech that p1 buy

Maybe. It seems like a bit of corporate backpedalling, considering they’ve already spent a considerable amount of effort developing their own variable valve timing and forced induction systems for their CamPro engines. Also, didn’t they just sign a joint venture with Honda?

This should’ve been done a decade ago. Right now they should be more concerned with developing alternative propulsion technologies.

there are many inventions and new ideas and projects that were done in P1 over that past years that could have made it to the world stage but due to politics and favoritsm of p1 managers they did not make it and forgotten. i hope DRB does not do this and allow the local talent in P1 to grow.

Yeah agreed! A Proton roadster, less than RM80k, rear-wheel-drive, 1.8 – 2.0 liter engine, no need to be too powerful, lightweight is more important, just like Lotus’ recipe. And optioned with 6-speed manual and 7-speed CVT just like in Preve. I’m sure many youngsters will interested in it.

small displacement turbocharged engine has some weakness too.. japanese hasn’t go that way too. i could see that proton is trying a different approach like the japs. probably electric or re-ev for small cars, and big c.c engine for mpv or bigger sedans.

Actually the reason they gave was that they piled all their R&D on hybrid tech and didn’t put enough attention on conventional engines themselves. Toyota made bulletproof twin-turbo straight-sixes for years, so I don’t think making a reliable turbocharged small-displacement engine would’ve been too difficult.

japanese is all about copy and improve while the Europe is more to INNOVATE and improve dude..that’s why there were so many Innovation and Creation in the Hands of the European ie German, Russian , English, Sweds ets…:)

what i meant, proton and japs might have consider about the small turbo engine, but we haven’t see them yet. electric and hybrid are more popular among asian carmakers, and several models are already produced.

Proton has all the sure win technologies and know how, but still fail, if not because of NAP. All because of corruption, and given business to their own cronies. If Proton still continue running like what they are today, they will still lagging at the back in motor industry.

Petronas stop engine development in 2010. The question now, another 6 engine pattern and technology was not revealed by them. Thats super interesting!..come on guys, even vios keep using the dated engine for the last 7 years nobody complaints, sumore people keep buying…..

If you really compare proton and vios, you can really find a huge different especially handling, absorbar, engine and cabin noise level. People not blindly buy the products if its not good. Yes, proton may have the technology but sad to say that its lack of quality control. If Proton can put efford in their QC i believe its can increase their share market. Just see how succesful of Perodua Myvi, their marketing department really doing their job even they can upgrade to better spec compare to Proton which recently came out satria neo with r3 bodykits which I think dont have any good selling point and the pricing is too expensive, how they do market research?

Proton has many good designs in their collection but most of the good designs only end at sketching or concept phase. They however lack good engines (and attention to quality)in their line of products. Then again, due to the small market, investing too much in cars that won’t sell (besides domestic market) will only lead to ‘suicide’.

Damn straight you are right. Proton needs to improve the look of their car first. Because people judge a book by its cover! Really, look at KIA/Hyundai well done design, suddenly catches peoples attention and inspire confidence to buy.

proton doesn’t need anything bigger than 1.6 previously, simply because they couldn’t reach profitable economy of scale to produce it just for perdana. but now they have preve and exora which demand more power.

I saw the old post from Paultan back in 2005.
It’s a big wow how much evolving Paultan have take. Pics back then is blurry. And yet still executing a great article every time!

Anyway about this engine. It’s not as High revving as the K20a but the torque input is damn high. Probably Proton would rename it to Campro something. Or maybe put in a CPS tech in there. CPS is much more high rev than this but less torque.

They should have done this 10 years ago. I was hoping to see this engine in a putra, satria or gen2 unfortunately the campro came in. haihz. Anyways we shall see what mods can they do to improve the fuel consumption and CO2 emission since building a brand new engine would cost a bomb. Hoping for the best from proton since DRB took over.

Sorry remind me again how old the 4G63 family is? That’s right if the foundation is strong it can be upgraded to be complaint to today’s standards. I’m no GLC lover but we Malaysians just love to hate…sigh!

Do you know how different the old 4g63 is from what we have now? It only shares bore and stroke… And nothing else. It’s a very dated engine and no way able to keep up with modern designs in terms of efficiency.

I love my turbo 4g63 and I’ll be the first to tell you what a thirsty engine this is. Cane it and you’d barely make 250 a tank. Nostalgia is nice, but often impractical.

A modern petrol engine needs to have all the following.
Direct injection, variable valve timing and lift, variable intake, turbocharging.

not too bad given the engine was develop in 2005…
200PS n 203NM is not too bad….
if proton can tune it to get max power and torque at lower RPM, it would be better….
and 1 more to comply with higher EURO standard emission….

as much as I dislike TM… I do agree that earlier, Proton has embarked on SENG and BENG.. in case u kids didn’t know. it is Small Engine and Big Engine project…

BENG was shelved as the model that using big engine was only Perdana with 2.0 and Waja 1.8 using renault engine did not really take off eventhough Waja 1.8 is really a good car to own.(miss this car)

SENG took off, but launched prematurely into the market with the problem Campro is famous for and as it was put to production, to change it require big investment, so what they could do is to enhanced and add more module into the engine to make it work better.

it was in DSZ era when he manage to sold the Campro engine to the Chinese Youngman and now since DRB taking over and they did not really care much about the automotive industries, they bought the 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 engine when the oil price is high and people are going to hybrid and EV.

if u think this is a good move, to me, it is very bad, the same money could be invested into commercializing the REEV as in Chevrolet volt or Proton’s own Exora REEV and moving forward toward green engine and complying to the Euro emission guide…

for a 1.8 engine, do you think people in London might want to buy it? and pay extra for congestion charge etc?

sorry but I DKJ make the wrong move to buy these engine… thinking to make into SUV.

p/s: unless they are putting it into Lotus APX and mass produce it, and yes, that would be a great move as the rich and famous are now driving in SUV and abandoning the sports car in the garage.

The rich people in the 90’s already passed their sportiness mode and in the luxury seat. (the reason why even bently is coming up with the big-a5s bling-bling SUV)

I tot P1 already give some hybrid models for government use for trial.. they collect some data to see how the car’s performance for daily use.. dont worry la.. they still on it.. for this new toy, i think they are aiming on high performance car.. urm, sports car maybe???

Tun penasihat bought the idea of small engine turbo charged in car in end 1990s. the only reason Proton bought MV Augusta into believing that MV agusta has the plan to build a car with motorcycle engine but that did not took off… (references into 3 cylinder small car running around in India currently)

TM toooooo busy with the Campro.

and Tun penasihat could not see how proud and snob malaysian into buying a car with small displacment. they still think they could afford to pay the fuel until the fuel price increase and they decided to change the government and not they attitude.

better proton venture producing kapcai like honda cup..mampu milik rakyat..ramai bole beli..banyak pasaran and not much to compete..each car to be developed cost 100over million with bad ROI if not sellable like savvy..juara..etc

How about 500Mil on REEV and EV with uk company Frazer Nash? that is not cheap and where are the cars? why do we need FNR, there are more better partners around and I bet proton can do it internally better than outdated uk companies.

i remember i read similar load of bullshit from proton when they bought lotus. now we hear the same thing. Funny that a (supposedly) car manufacturer is buying engine designs from an oil company. Just makes proton’s engineering department is a bunch of pathetic lots.

This kind of statement normally came from:
1.high school brat
2.A brat with no engineering background at all.
3.Non/not yet graduated brat.
4.Automotive Engineer graduated from Paul Tan or Lowyat University.
5.People who does not even qualified to work as automotive engineer at Proton. (U need to score at least 3.00 for your CGPA, pass the IQ test and go through sessions of interview).
6. Perasan Bagus kind of people.

i wish you could proof me wrong. But the reality of the truth is you all get excited of news like this which in real world doesnt make sense. If you cannot even place logic behind this whole exercise, then i guess you view the world as it is with such simplicity. Ignorance is bliss….guess the saying is true in this case.

I am assuming that your were typing all the sentences above while looking at your self in front of a mirror. Ignorance is Bliss is true in this case as you surely did not know how difficult it is to develope a car. Talk is cheap. If you are qualified, go make the changes. Only IF.

It was Petronas and Proton ventures previously, when Petronas was the White Knight for Proton…when Petronas parts away its shares to Khazanah, so do the engines and its research staffs…this turn of event is actually long overdue…but never too late..

Until today, we don’t know the rationale for Petronas to go into engine manufacturing. It only points out to a personal obssession of one influential person.
Does Shell, ESSO or BP have their own engines. Spending other people’s money is always easy. How much di Petronas spend and how much did they get back from this sale?

To comply with the latest emission regulations as as well as reliability considerations, there’s a strong possibility that the max power of the E01 engine could be detuned to sub-200hp region, perhaps around 170bhp~175bhp (although if Lotus intends to use the engine or for the upcoming Hicom Potenza sportscar, it could be around 190bhp).Anyway, the Petronas’ engine technology acquisition by Proton is definitely a good move to strengthten their expansion plans.Good job!

No, PETRONAS is not the LOSER. We are the winner, to be exact bread-winner for Malaysian. We provide 40% to our government revenue; which translate a cheaper price for you daily life. And also a subsidy for your kids too. And also to you.

You will not agree with my statement if you are foreigners or born into some f*****g rich families for generation.

That’s the problem with Proton and most G linked companies for that matter. They never know what to do. The original project was initiated by Proton, then they abandon it and decided to do themselves, wasting years of effort, time and money.

Petronas created a team of engineers together with Sauber to design and build engines for Proton. My friend was one of the engineers who was posted to Japan on this project back in 2001. In 2 years, they already had prototype engines but someone in Proton thought it would be more MACHO to make their own and so, it was cancelled. How long did it take them to come out with Campro? How long before it can be used commercially? They could have used the Petronas engine way back in probably 2004-5 but no, some macho fella decided Proton is better on their own.

Imagine, they could have sold Petronas/Proton engines to manufacturers in India or China WAY BACK in 2007? 2 years should be enough for them to sort out any issues for large scale manufacturing, with Sauber’s engineering expertise. But the Malaysian G heads are always very good with screwing things up… every time when they have a good thing going.

I agree with you, but perhaps it was the estimated cost to mass produce the Petronas (or more appropriately Sauber Petronas) engine that had caused the Proton’s Management of the yesteryear to kill off the idea of Petronas-powered Proton cars in the first place, or it could be due to the ROI or other reasons we won’t be sure.But better late than never, DRB-Hicom is now the ultimate owner of all the Petronas engine designs and is ready to commerciallise the engines.Perhaps, the 3 cylinder Petronas bike engine could also be produce again, on a larger scale?..

Hrm. Perhaps a good move to jump start P1s techno-innovation in the engine dept. They don’t necessarily have to build exact E01e replicas. Whatever it is, this exercise still needs to translate into sales. The other bit for DRB to deal with is improving branding and the quality stigma of yester-year. I foresee DRB will perform a branding exercise to refresh Proton. Maybe a logo change, or a name change. Goes a long way for Marketing.

Ha ha Ha the joke is on the rakyat who had wet dreams
driving a Honda!!
Whatever joint colloboration is just a drama cos until today nothing
has transpired and utter silence from both sides,
In fact DRB should be queried by SC for the dead sillence,
Another move by DRB and its directors to push up its share
price!! Buy on rumour sell on facts!!

finally, after 14 years, proton decided to use this tech engine. now you act like business man Mr proton.

14 year of blueprint engine is not an issue, it can be improve/ updates with latest tech. can wait to see the preve 2.0 or neo 2.0 GTi performance. stick to it’s name E01e…it will be bombastic name rather then…

finally, after 14 years, proton decided to use this tech engine. now you act like business man Mr proton.

14 years of blueprint engine is not an issue, it can be improve/ updates with latest tech. cant wait to see the preve 2.0 or neo 2.0 GTi performance. stick to it’s name E01e…it will be bombastic name rather then…

A 10 year Nissan engine just don’t need to overhaul even with mileage up to 280000, however the E01 which has been in the store room for more than ten years need overhaul just after the forth night after coming out from the showroom

i dont think that they mass produce yet. it may have 10 or 50 prototype only. some of them already install in satria GTi, we may need owner (satria GTi with E01e) feed back on this. as i remember, it was a positive feedback.

now the trend already move towards small displacement yet higher output…so with this early 21century design may not fully suit for latest trend…especially as global model…however with those patented technology may act as stepping stone for P1 to increase campro ranges to above 1.6 NA / supercharge and also diesel engine…though is late rather than none…

for sure proton and drb will do stuff to this engine to make it up to date…. they need to. If its not too much to hope for, i’d like to see the 2.0 turbo version of this in the upcoming preve hatchback – if they make a performance version of it of coz =)

ha so there is still hope for proton to produce their first RWD car ,i dont think its that hard ,because we are not talking about one engine but its nearly 7 difreant engines
so very exiting news for me atleast

economics of scales, we do not need to develop an engine for the sake to become global and sell only 1million of cars yearly. better channel to others like R&D, develops new car segment, safety or etc…
to develop an exora is 500mil, i dont think 5bil is enough to develop the world standard of engine and transmission…

With due respect, I found out that in your life, if your boss decided who will he promote to be future boss, it is for sure not you. Such nonsense analytics thinking and writing which you portrayed here clearly shows that you are un-capable to think in a business ways. Of course, I bet that in future, if you considering the facts that if the E01e proven on track and road, there are many of manufacturer out there which Proton could explore the engine business supply opportunities.

Finally..just have a thought on this engine while having a Preve test drive for a day.

As someone said, this engine could have found itself into Waja. A very good handling car now being wasted. After testing the Preve for a day, i would still say Waja is still the best handling car ever produced by Proton. Why couldn’t they just rebuilt a new Waja using the same chasis. Being old not necessarily be outdated.

I love the Preve very much despite the driving feeling that as i said earlier a bit inferior to the old waja. But i just don’t like the turbo engine and its CVT.

While driving the Preve i was thinking how good it would be if it is equipped with a Honda engine and transmission (since they have now partnered Honda), and in a sudden this Petronas engine pass by my mind…

So congrat Proton on the technology acquisition. Work hard please and replace the engine for your car is not too far to become a truly global car..

Put a nice engine into Preve, and people will fast forget those Vios, city and its like..

Proton has been well established with its aircond system which is unbeatable by anyone. Also they are actually also involved in the parts design of other more established cars. But of course this is a well kept secret as P1 is no one. They are late but is better than never. With the patent in house, they can provide better tech with the Petronas staff remains there. Give them chance!

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