Aren't the Legion and the Old Gods technically at odds with eachother?

Sometimes.
The Old gods just kind of flail around breaking anything they can, they're like a four year old hopped up on sugar-laced crack. Chaos incarnate.

Originally Posted by Zeddicious

Imo... Sargeras > Old Gods.

Purely my opinion though. If it came down to it, i think the moment we fought Sargeras, we would meet an enslaved old god in the same instance first

He'd certainly win a a round of fisticuffs.
But I think in terms of actual "power" the Old Gods are probably stronger. They're able to corrupt and unmake the Titan's work, and the Titans seem to be rather unable to successfully contain them... And Sargeras is a Titan after all, albeit a strong one. So I think Sarggie could beat them up, but if you put an old god and the dark titan in a room, eventually he'd gone insane and start listening to the voices.

My first question would be why he's freeing them in the first place? :S
The Old Gods would literally devour Sargeras on his own if they were all free. He's strong but against 3/4 Old Gods, alone, he'd have as much chance as a mechanical rabbit would against Sargeras.

I assume you're going off the happenings in War of the Ancients trilogy.
Working off the assumption that Sargeras honestly didn't know of the Old Gods plans, despite being part of a pantheon that *had* dealt with these creatures at some point, I think he would've been... surprised, to say the least.

He would've said something along the lines of "Ew, there's icky stuff in this here pool".

And the Old Gods would be like squids and seaweed going like "blabrharghabbl we're between your toooeessss muhahahaha (madness will consume you btw)"

If World of Warcraft has taught me anything, it's that teaching a crowd something is far harder than teaching individuals.

The Old Gods certainly considered themselves superior to him during the first invasion. Of course we killed two of them and some of their strongest servants, since then. But during the war of the ancients, they certainly felt that all of them together could surely defeat a single Titan, in the Well of Eternity trilogy. Whether it's true is unknown. It took a Pantheon of Titans to take down the Old Gods. It's possible Sargeras has gained enough power to match the whole Titan Pantheon since his fall.

He would've said something along the lines of "Ew, there's icky stuff in this here pool".

And the Old Gods would be like squids and seaweed going like "blabrharghabbl we're between your toooeessss muhahahaha (madness will consume you btw)"

I laughed harder than I should have.

Regardless, if the portal had opened, the Old Gods would have been released. Sargeras would not have entered, as the whole point of the portal was to bring Sargeras to Azeroth, and the portal was redirected to bring the Old Gods to Azeroth.

The Old Gods certainly considered themselves superior to him during the first invasion. Of course we killed two of them and some of their strongest servants, since then. But during the war of the ancients, they certainly felt that all of them together could surely defeat a single Titan, in the Well of Eternity trilogy. Whether it's true is unknown. It took a Pantheon of Titans to take down the Old Gods. It's possible Sargeras has gained enough power to match the whole Titan Pantheon since his fall.

It wasn't that Sargeras was going to free them intentionally, but that after he entered Azeroth through the portal, the Old Gods were going to use it to break the bindings on their prison and manifest their "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM" form on Azeroth, kicking Sargeras's ass, and taking the world for themselves.

The Old Gods certainly considered themselves superior to him during the first invasion. Of course we killed two of them and some of their strongest servants, since then. But during the war of the ancients, they certainly felt that all of them together could surely defeat a single Titan, in the Well of Eternity trilogy. Whether it's true is unknown. It took a Pantheon of Titans to take down the Old Gods. It's possible Sargeras has gained enough power to match the whole Titan Pantheon since his fall.

We haven't killed any Old Gods. We've killed super small manifestations of a fraction of their actual power. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Hitei

It was a pretty poorly done take down.

Poorly done in what way?
It is much, much harder to subdue someone than it is to kill them. I imagine they made whatever prison they could manage while trying to keep the Old Gods in check. And the power the Old Gods have is powerful enough that they can essentially 'seep' through their prison to affect the things around them. I'm also of the belief that the prison is weakening with time so they can 'seep' out more and more.

It wasn't that Sargeras was going to free them intentionally, but that after he entered Azeroth through the portal, the Old Gods were going to use it to break the bindings on their prison and manifest their "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM" form on Azeroth, kicking Sargeras's ass, and taking the world for themselves.

Poorly done in what way?
It is much, much harder to subdue someone than it is to kill them. I imagine they made whatever prison they could manage while trying to keep the Old Gods in check. And the power the Old Gods have is powerful enough that they can essentially 'seep' through their prison to affect the things around them.

Not when they seem to be pretty much unkillable.
Besides that was my point, I'm sure they tried their best, but in the end the combined might of the Pantheon just sort of managed to temporarily disable them, and even disabled the Old gods still managed to screw up all the Titan's work.

Not when they seem to be pretty much unkillable.
Besides that was my point, I'm sure they tried their best, but in the end the combined might of the Pantheon just sort of managed to temporarily disable them, and even disabled the Old gods still managed to screw up all the Titan's work.

They are killable. Y'shaarj is the only named evidence of that but there were many other Old Gods that died in the fight. Just as many of the Titans died too. His heart remains for whatever reason, I'm sure it could have also been destroyed though. They killed everything else about Y'shaarj.

That was my point. The Titans were more powerful than the Old Gods probably due to numbers in the end. Again, subduing something is FAR harder than simply killing them. And the Titans had decided against killing them after seeing what could happen, i.e. Y'shaarj. To build a prison for them and then actually get them into it, that's quite the feat. But the Old Gods are just powerful enough and from a different place altogether to be able to project thoughts and such outside of the prison. Look at N'Zoth, he's imprisoned but still somehow in the Emerald Dream.

Originally Posted by Fleugen

My understanding is that C'thun is fully dead. Yogg'saron I believe we only killed his manifestation, but that he's just been put back to sleep. But I was under the impression C'thun was gone forever.

IIRC, C'thun was super weakened still from his fight with the Titans when we fought him so yeah, we have have actually killed him/it.

They are killable. Y'shaarj is the only named evidence of that but there were many other Old Gods that died in the fight. Just as many of the Titans died too. His heart remains for whatever reason, I'm sure it could have also been destroyed though. They killed everything else about Y'shaarj.

IIRC, C'thun was super weakened still from his fight with the Titans when we fought him so yeah, we have have actually killed him/it.

Source?
Also I'm pretty sure if the Titans could have destroyed Y'shaarj completely, they would have.

Why would Sargeras free the old gods, if the old gods would be stronger then Sargeras so Sargeras can beg to mercy?, which isn't true btw.

We don't know that yet. There isn't a source telling us that Sargeras is more powerful than the Old Gods. There is a source however that tells us that Sargeras will beg for death if the Old Gods were freed.