A social conservative Iowa group has retracted language regarding slavery from the opening of a presidential candidates' pledge, amid a growing controversy over the document that Michele Bachmann had signed and Rick Santorum committed to.

The original "marriage vow" from the Family Leader, unveiled last week, included a line at the opening of its preamble, which suggested that black children born into slavery were better off in terms of family life than African-American kids born today.

Here’s the basic argument: The point is exactly the opposite of what you said, actually, because the point that the pledge is making is that slavery was a major barrier to the cohesiveness of the black family, and that with that barrier gone, black two-parent families should be able to thrive, but “sadly” (the word used in the pledge) they aren’t. In fact, over 70% of African-American babies today are born to single parents  a prime sociological indicator for poverty, pathology and prison regardless of race or ethnicity.

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posted on 07/09/2011 9:44:26 PM PDT
by RightFighter
(Now back to my war station.)

This slavery horse crap !! I have heard this ridiculous whining all my life and enough!! NO one alive had anything to do with it and the country has been destroyed, Pandering to these Clowns and idiots!

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posted on 07/09/2011 9:48:09 PM PDT
by Cheetahcat
( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)

Today’s dysfunctions and misplaced moralities versus yesteryear’s chattel slavery — the conditions of which varied greatly according to locale — this is not something that can be propounded in a sound bite. If they wanted to produce a lengthy discourse on it that explained all the angles possible, that would be a different story.

Todays dysfunctions and misplaced moralities versus yesteryears chattel slavery  the conditions of which varied greatly according to locale  this is not something that can be propounded in a sound bite.

Bingo. This is precisely why the language was ill-conceived, and Bachmann signing the pledge (as written) was even more ill-conceived.

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posted on 07/09/2011 10:07:28 PM PDT
by Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)

Bingo! While WE all understand what the group was trying to say about the breakdown of the black family, they should have simply point to the LBJ’s Great society and liberalism in what transpired today with many African American families not being together....there was NO NEED to go all the way back to slavery to glean something good from it.

Slave masters did break up original families and sometime sold the weaker family members away for stronger workers if they needed field workers.

While many slave owners encouraged slave marriages, the truth is that about 1/3 of such families were disrupted by many members being "sold down the river" separately and sometimes a mother and child together.This puts a lie to the stupidly worded "pledge".

When Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote his report about welfare, the out of wedlock birth figures, for blacks, stood at 1/3 of the black population. Earlier, the out of wedlock birthrate for blacks, was lower.

The lack of historical knowledge, reflected in the "pledge" is appalling; to say the least! And yes, if they had brought up how truly dreadful the "WAR ON POVERTY" proved to be, that would at least have made some sense, since it was conceived and run by Dems!

One has to wonder............do those who sign political pledges actually read them before signing on ?

If America as a nation stands for anything, it's the primacy of human freedom and equality.

Chattel slavery is the utter negation of those principles, therefore it is (was) by definition the most anti-American of all possible institutions.

The present deplorable condition of so many black Americans can be reversed in any individual family simply by refusing to participate. Slavery denied that choice to individuals, and families in any meaningful sense of the term could not exist under slavery.

I agree....... while the intent of the group was to point out the breakdown of the Black family unit, their ignorance of basic historical facts makes their intentions just like the “good intentions” of the left - worthless.

Absolutely no "good" was served by the stupid "pledge", nor the signing of same. All this did was give ammunition to those who hate GOPers, Christians, and abolitionists of old.

And what was the point of it, anyway? Slavery is long gone, in this nation; however, the Dems are the ones who are still holding onto the the concept, at least, no matter how many times and in how many different ways they attempt to deny it.

It’s irony, though, that through an addiction to the support of the state, they have brought woes on themselves that are like some of the woes of antebellum slavery.

I’m hankering for Herman Cain to get on national TV and ask everyone (of all colors) do they want to keep picking cotton in chains on the Democrat plantation or do they want to be free. Oh, liberal heads would explode from coast to coast. But Cain wouldn’t be cowed.

Some slave manned plantations had more liberal (in a good sense) policies and allowed their slaves to have side businesses and to buy themselves free. Some allowed marriages and families that were preserved as a group. This was due to Christian morality, which some masters honored more than others depending on their personal convictions.

which suggested that black children born into slavery were better off in terms of family life than African-American kids born today.

The truth hurts.

That isn't truth. Children born into slavery could be separated from their mothers and sold from the moment they were born, could be beaten or whipped, could be worked to exhaustion or death, could be starved, and could be raped. And sometimes they were - that's what slavery is all about. The notion that all this is "better off" than today's conditions is both ridiculous and offensive.

The Family Leader (The Dollar Follower) just can't seem to do anything right any more. Maybe that's because they're looking for a way to remain relevant.

Just about a week ago, VP goes on the Mickelson show and stabs very good Republican lawmakers in the back and then rightfully got his comeuppance from a couple of those lawmakers he was stabbing.

The ironic part was that during the whole legislative session TFL had done nothing to help advance the pro-life legislation to prevent late-term abortion in Iowa and then he goes on the air and criticizes the Republicans for "lack of leadership" regarding the issue.

This whole issue of demanding candidates to sign pledges is out of hand and I'll have more respect for the next candidate who tells the next group where to stick their pledge.

We need to demand that candidates sign a pledge that they will not sign any more pledges.

"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA?s first African-American President," read the preamble. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58631.html#ixzz1RhZQspiK

From the article.

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posted on 07/10/2011 4:56:21 AM PDT
by Cvengr
(Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)

I demand that all candidates sign my pledge that they won’t sign any pledges. If not, they will not get my support. And while they are at it, at the next debate, I want them all to “raise their hands” if they don’t believe in pledges.

AGREED— And the Democratic Party politic is all about keepin the negro on the Democratic Plantation and doing high tech lynchin’ of any uppity educated black man who attempts leave that plantation.The Only people the Democratic Party benefit are the Party bosses (just like their Communist Party mentors)

This entire episode is a case study in why conservatives (and conservatism) loses in the public forum of ideas.

1. Conservative group or person makes a controversial statement (such as the suggestion that black children enjoyed more stable “families” under slavery than in many situations today - a statement which has the ring of truth).

5. The conservative person or group “apologizes” and retracts his/her/their earlier remarks. The “retraction” has no bearing to the fact that the remarks are based on truth. Rather, it comes with ONE reason: to “save face” and to stop the screaming.

When are conservatives going to stand up to the screamers and say, “I said what I meant and meant what I said, I’m NOT sorry, I’m NOT going to apologize, and I’m NOT going to take back what I said, for truth is truth.” ????

The other argument is this....Not that the black folks are totally responsible for abortion in this country, however as a group they had the power to prevent many/most of the 60 million plus abortions that have taken place.

Same can be said of American Catholics, they also had the power as a group to prevent the aprox 60 million abortions that have taken place.

Also Black`s/Catholics both have blood on their hands, not just for abortion, but gay marriage, having prayer and God`s Word removed from public square etc.

For full disclosure RINO WASP`s etc that have voted Democrat or for moderate Republicans etc, also have blood on their hands. Not sure if this group alone could have prevented all the death/destruction? But certainly the other 2 groups on their own could have prevented liberal Supreme Court Justices from ever having their say.

Black`s have such a rich Christian heritage, but now when they wave their arms in Church Sunday Morning saying they Love Jesus, it`s all in vain IMHO

Following on my responsa at 42, I add this regarding Michele Bachmann:

Of all the Presidential candidates we now know of, including the known possibilities, including Herman Cain, Michele Bachamnn is the one candidate who will best understand the tragic plight of the black child born in America today.

And that understanding is due to her, her husband's and family's experience in caring for and loving the many foster children they have taken in.

For the plight of a black child born in America today is worse than that of an un-adoptable orphan.

Though there was ALWAYS the possibility of being sold, under slavery, being beaten, and kept in total ignorance ( though some slaves were taught/found a way to learn how to read ), today it isn't necessarily someone else keeping blacks in poverty, ignorance, and "enslaved", but they, themselves! Yes, they can now vote, someone doesn't exactly "own" them, but the Dem "slave masters" have pushed so many of them into a position that is untenable;or should be! And THAT should have been the way this "pledge" was written. It wasn't and it is also historically inaccurate,as I proved up thread, in an earlier post.

Her gaffes, mistakes, and endless excuses have put me off completely. She may say what we want to hear, sometimes,but instead of getting better, she's gotten worse and I'm finished giving her chances. She just isn't ready for the spotlight; let alone the presidency or VEEP positions.

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