re: Lerner lost her rights!Posted by doubleb on 5/23/13 at 9:13 am to Rex

quote:I love Alan Dershowitz, however in this case he is outnumbered (Duane, Kasimar, Brand, off hand) and appears to be wrong. He has made two mistakes... first he seems to forget that Lerner was not a defendant but a witness, who can rightfully invoke the Fifth at just about any point in a trial or hearing. Second, what Lerner did speak at the hearing was a broad plea of innocence; she didn't open up any factual line of questioning, as Dershowitz says. After much reading on the matter I'm confident a judge will not see it Dershowitz's way. Now, this leads me to a separate question: why is it that all you sheep who constantly cry "tyranny!", "my liberty is being violated!", "the Second Amendment!" blah blah blah all of a sudden want to deny Ms. Lerner her Fifth Amendment rights? Like I've said, I'm no fan of Lois Lerner. I would have fired both her and David Shulman days ago, before yesterday's hearing. She is, though, entitled to justice, and any ambiguity in the law or in case precedent, whatsoever, should defer to her rights. I'm disappointed in Dershowitz; he should know better.

I'm not a legal scholar so I'll let the lawyers argue, that's what they are trained to do.

But I agree 100% with your last two paragraphs. All of our amendments are equal and need to be protected, and these corrupt IRS officials need to be fired and the truth discovered as to what was going on and how many were directly and indirectly involved.

I'm glad you can see that Rex because if the POTUS, whethe rit be from my party or yours can use government to attack his politica enemies the way Nixon did; then we are all going to lose the rights we have. That is clear to me.

I think we need a special prosecutor and let him/her investigate and then let the chips fall where they may.

re: Lerner lost her rights!Posted by Rex on 5/23/13 at 9:18 am to doubleb

quote:I'm glad you can see that Rex because if the POTUS, whethe rit be from my party or yours can use government to attack his politica enemies the way Nixon did; then we are all going to lose the rights we have.

Of course.

quote:I think we need a special prosecutor and let him/her investigate and then let the chips fall where they may.

These hearings are already having the opposite effect of what Darrell Issa and the GOP hoped for. Even when it has become apparent that Democrats on the committee and elsewhere are not rushing to their defense these witnesses are not implicating the White House. A special prosecutor would be a waste of time and money, but inasmuch as Washington wastes time and money on more trivial matters all the time, sure, why not.

re: Lerner lost her rights!Posted by doubleb on 5/23/13 at 9:21 am to Rex

quote:These hearings are already having the opposite effect of what Darrell Issa and the GOP hoped for. Even when it has become apparent that Democrats on the committee and elsewhere are not rushing to their defense these witnesses are not implicating the White House. A special prosecutor would be a waste of time and money, but inasmuch as Washington wastes time and money on more trivial matters all the time, sure, why not.

In your mind Issa isn't fair and in my mind Holder isn't fair; who do we all trust to find out the truth as to how bad this IRS thing really is?

A special prosecutor, right?

That gets the pols out of it and puts it where it can be investigated by a professional.

quote:Now, this leads me to a separate question: why is it that all you sheep who constantly cry "tyranny!", "my liberty is being violated!", "the Second Amendment!" blah blah blah all of a sudden want to deny Ms. Lerner her Fifth Amendment rights?

The same reason all the leftist bedwetters see no problem with the IRS targeting political opponents or the DOJ declaring war on journalists?