To catch up on all thats been discussed.... I think having your car "wacked" is a great honor, I only hope one day it happens to me.

Corey thats to bad about the W2W but good stategy, I am sure you'll get it done soon!

As for the wack a mole stuff, I think this is Chris. P's year based on what I am hearing. Didn't we do that season predictions thread last year where we picked winners and dark horses and what not? I think its a Corey, Chris year again with Steve coming out to play as spoiler.

I am happy to be moving into the extremely popular GT3 class, I hope the numbers stay up in that class as it seems a few of the front guys are moving on to other things.

Barry, the ride we went for in that Miata at the shootout was impressive for sure. That thing has ridiculous lateral grip. I too am interested to see a power vs handling comparo this year.

To catch up on all thats been discussed.... I think having your car "wacked" is a great honor, I only hope one day it happens to me.

Corey thats to bad about the W2W but good stategy, I am sure you'll get it done soon!

As for the wack a mole stuff, I think this is Chris. P's year based on what I am hearing. Didn't we do that season predictions thread last year where we picked winners and dark horses and what not? I think its a Corey, Chris year again with Steve coming out to play as spoiler.

I am happy to be moving into the extremely popular GT3 class, I hope the numbers stay up in that class as it seems a few of the front guys are moving on to other things.

Barry, the ride we went for in that Miata at the shootout was impressive for sure. That thing has ridiculous lateral grip. I too am interested to see a power vs handling comparo this year.

I agree, but I(and I am sure others do to) just want to know how these decisions are made, that is all.

I would love to be competitive this year but I will most likely end up in SGT2 or 3 and it won't be easy. If I can maximize every pip taken, I may have a shot. My car will look radically different if i have my way..

To catch up on all thats been discussed.... I think having your car "wacked" is a great honor, I only hope one day it happens to me.

To be sure, for sure. I see you are well versed in f1 speech .

Basically, no one really thinks about if a car is really faster before whacking it - or if they do, they need a tune up in the ecu department as I have never heard a good explanation. It comes down to making the results look good and that is and always will be the first priority as close racing is what OTA is about. Why some cars get whacked and others don't is a conversation not fit for forums. Trust me, it's better to just accept the whacking earlier than later, and unfortunately, all the people driving your car will also be penalised.

I am anxiously waiting to see what happens this year, lots of car changes, will be interesting.

__________________2010 to 2013 OTA competitor with a Honda, Ford, and a BMW.

1) Yes cars get whacked because they win. Our classification system is not perfect (although neither are results) and hence the need for adjustment. We really don't want to go back to the days when there were a few "right" cars to win with all other cars not being competitive.

OTOH it is very rare for a car to get whacked with just one driver results. The Nissan 350 didn't go up until a second driver did so well in a stock car. The SN95 Mustang didn't go up just based on Ujjwal's super dominating results in T1 and GT4. The S2000 did go up based on Krispy AFTER it had been demoted 5% the year before. BTW the C5Z has already been whacked twice and the times this past year were generally slower than previous years, is some cases significantly.

2) The addition of driver wgts to a car's base classification is an advantage to lighter wgt and lower hp cars. A fudge factor has been entered in to the calculation which basically leaves the C5Z exactly where it is. For an average wgt driver there would be approximately 3 extra PIPs for the CRX and 1.4 for the BMW. Whacking these cars just limits the extra advantage that most other competitors get.

3) While we are on the subject, both BMWs that did well this year had a number of mods i.e they were not bone stock. Both of these cars could easily decontent by less than 1 PIP and stay in their respective classes even AFTER being whacked. (we figure 1 PIP to be on average about 0.2 seconds but there is obviously quite a range). As it turns out both Lloyd and Krispy in their C5Zs decided to slow their cars down last year and stay in the same class due to being whacked and in general the lap times showed it.

BTW happy to continue this discussion but we need to move to a different thread.

All three cars were pretty competitive to each other, with the E36 having a definite advantage.

All three cars were less than one PIP from class limit (CRX was .5 from limit).

For 2014, with driver's weight added, all cars were moved down from their class limit by the effect of the driver's weight.

The three cars had these Final PI, away, from class limit with driver's weight;
Corey in BMW, 2.6
Chris in Vette, 1.1
Mohamed in CRX, 4.7

One of our objectives was to minimize the number of competitors moving down a class because of the addition of drivers weight. We decided to subtract 1.1 PI from all cars in the series to bring the ones near limit back up to that limit. Here are the results after this adjustment;
Corey in BMW, 1.5
Chris in Vette, 0
Mohamed in CRX, 3.6

Applying the 1.5 PI (5% Wacking?) to the BMW and CRX gives us these PI variances to class limit;
Corey in BMW, 0
Chris in Vette, 0
Mohamed in CRX, 2.1

So, Corey and Chris are exactly where they started, while Mohamed gets 2.1 PI to be more competitive.

If everyone remained in their 2013 classes, but with the 2014 changes, above, I expect some of the lower hp classes would win, such as Steve B, Barry, Eric D, Andrew VDP, Pierre L, Mohamed.

All three cars were pretty competitive to each other, with the E36 having a definite advantage.

All three cars were less than one PIP from class limit (CRX was .5 from limit).

For 2014, with driver's weight added, all cars were moved down from their class limit by the effect of the driver's weight.

The three cars had these Final PI, away, from class limit with driver's weight;
Corey in BMW, 2.6
Chris in Vette, 1.1
Mohamed in CRX, 4.7

One of our objectives was to minimize the number of competitors moving down a class because of the addition of drivers weight. We decided to subtract 1.1 PI from all cars in the series to bring the ones near limit back up to that limit. Here are the results after this adjustment;
Corey in BMW, 1.5
Chris in Vette, 0
Mohamed in CRX, 3.6

Applying the 1.5 PI (5% Wacking?) to the BMW and CRX gives us these PI variances to class limit;
Corey in BMW, 0
Chris in Vette, 0
Mohamed in CRX, 2.1

So, Corey and Chris are exactly where they started, while Mohamed gets 2.1 PI to be more competitive.

If everyone remained in their 2013 classes, but with the 2014 changes, above, I expect some of the lower hp classes would win, such as Steve B, Barry, Eric D, Andrew VDP, Pierre L, Mohamed.

JohnP

Thank you for painting a clearer picture.

As for the E36 having an advantage(over Chris) - I don't think so. I did however have an advantage due to tires... is that what you meant?

At buttonwillow hankook td's(superstreet class tire) are a proven 2 seconds faster then nt01's which are proven to be faster then r888's. Would be really neat to see Chris out there on td's I'm sure he would break a lot of records!