What if FF's arrive and see no fire, no smoke, so they don't block the street. Then all of a sudden, BOOM, Back draft.

Better safe then sorry.

Really? no fire, no smoke, and you block the streets? The entire intersection? Your public must love you.

How long do you spend clearing a house? How much equipment do you have on scene for a no fire no smoke?

Are you in one of those areas where they have half a dozen volunteer departments responding to a no fire no smoke (alarm) call with everything they can put a driver in? (Further endangering the public)

Backdrafts linger EVERYWHERE. I am checking my closet for one before I go to bed tonight.

...BOOM! better safe then sorry....I'll have to check under my bed too....can't be too safe....

This guy is an absolute fraud........entertaining...but still a fraud...anyone else catch the "many scenes involving flash overs and back drafts"? I hope FH or FE...or NIST can contact him or his FD in NC...because he's a rare one with a front row seat, I am sure they have that all documented....I wonder if he can extend that massive experience...or does "many scenes involving flash overs and back drafts" really mean "I have seen Backdraft the movie, like 1000 times...dude...."

And my other professional take on this is leaning towards...social aversion, delusions of grandeur, lack of ability to grasp the paradigm of the fire service....or reality...... ...all recipes for..................? Who wants to guess it? I'll give you all a hint.....an "ontic chasm..."

Not the #1 priority when we arrive. We tend to work on stretching lines, doing a walkaround and getting water on the fire. Blocking the road can wait. [/IMG]

That's why there are teams and each team responsible for certain actions. While one team is running lines, another team is doing a walk around, and another team is setting up barricade (blocking the street and other areas)

Maybe your department needs training on team work.

Originally Posted by LVFD301

Really? no fire, no smoke, and you block the streets? The entire intersection? Your public must love you.

Yes they do. They understand what SAFETY is. They use COMMON SENSE and know that just because you don't see it upon arrival, don't mean there is no danger.
Guessing where you live there has never been a fire call where a room in the basement is burning, so you can't see it upon arrival.

Originally Posted by LVFD301

How long do you spend clearing a house? How much equipment do you have on scene for a no fire no smoke?

Everything is en route until it is determined not needed. Again, better safe then sorry.

Originally Posted by LVFD301

Are you in one of those areas where they have half a dozen volunteer departments responding to a no fire no smoke (alarm) call with everything they can put a driver in? (Further endangering the public)

Oh yeah, because it is SO dangerous to the public to have a BIG BRIGHT RED Fire Truck with FLASHING LIGHTS AND SIRENS out on a call.

But to answer your question. NO. We page out station for the area and one mutual aid station depending on the call. That results in about 3-4 trucks en route to the scene.

Originally Posted by LVFD301

Anyways, he is talking about a simple alarm or investigation!

I am referring to any call that is a possible fire. You do not know what the situation is until you get there and look around. So to be safe, while the size up is being done, it is best to block the street for safety.

No one is saying leave it blocked if there is no danger. After the size up, you determine that it's just a small fire in the back room, Fine un block the street while the attack crew does their job. But until you know for sure. Play it safe.

Originally Posted by GTRider245

Backdrafts linger EVERYWHERE. I am checking my closet for one before I go to bed tonight.

This guy is an absolute fraud........entertaining...but still a fraud...anyone else catch the "many scenes involving flash overs and back drafts"? I hope FH or FE...or NIST can contact him or his FD in NC...because he's a rare one with a front row seat, I am sure they have that all documented....I wonder if he can extend that massive experience...or does "many scenes involving flash overs and back drafts" really mean "I have seen Backdraft the movie, like 1000 times...dude...."

I am sorry that your slow response time causes you to miss these events. Better luck next time. But I am sure that if you contact NIST, FH or FE, they can explain that fire departments being on scene during a back draft of flash over is more common then you think. That is why they train for such events. I guess you were sick that day.

BTW Drop the movie bull ****. damn, what the hell. No one in the whole conversation has mentioned the movie other then you. So it appears to be your hang up.

Originally Posted by VinnieB

And my other professional take on this is leaning towards...social aversion, delusions of grandeur, lack of ability to grasp the paradigm of the fire service....or reality...... ...all recipes for..................? Who wants to guess it? I'll give you all a hint.....an "ontic chasm..."

Are you just upset that your lack of understanding how things work in the real world makes you ignorant and a safety threat to your department.

Lets put it this way for EVERYONE HERE. Since most of you seem to have your heads up your butts on this.

Would you rather block off the street and make a few people upset for a few short moments while you do a size up?
Or
Leave the street open with traffic while your team has to work around the truck, risking possible injury, or the unthinkable happens (because we all know fires are not text book) and a civilian get injured and now sues your department for not blocking off the scene.

If you choose the latter, let me know so I can come to your area and get hurt on a scene and sue.

You sir have gotten so hung up over terminology that you have totally lost sight of the main topic at hand. It don't matter if it is a back draft, flash over, or any thing else. Keeping the public safe on a fire scene is the job of the FD. that is why the FD has jurisdiction on fire scenes.

You're a fraud.....end of story....I put my pedigree out there and can back it up. You have zero time, and zero experiance....anyone who have witnessed these events would be all over the fire wires....yet Ive seen nothing from your dept in NC. Keep reaching pal...at this point youre a troll and a liar.....a fake, with the intelect of a pre-pubesant. To add...with all the bS youve spouted....none of it can be backed up...and its full of tactical errors, but most of all lies! You're an absolute fake.....who do you think your fooling? Everyone here knows your a liar..."a team stretching, a team walking around...and a team setting up barricades....are you kidding me!? No searching...venting....finding the fire....? Nothing like that huh? This is why we know your are a zero and a liar.......

You argue like a 10 year old......what you need to do is just leave, you've proven yourself to be a fool....who really just needs a smack and a weggie....you're a waste.....

Oh yeah, because it is SO dangerous to the public to have a BIG BRIGHT RED Fire Truck with FLASHING LIGHTS AND SIRENS out on a call.

r.

Let me guess. You are a 17 year old explorer?

MANY more injuries and deaths, of the public and firefighters, from motor vehicle wrecks while responding than flashovers and flashbacks. You claim to be all about safety of the public and you don't know that?

My firefighting career started when I was a Sr. in high school in 1999. I joined as a Jr firefighter along with my GF at the time on her uncles department. When she and I split up, I left the department and joined another closer to me. After I graduated, I joined the Air Force. 2 weeks into basic I was injured and discharged. I moved around a bit and tried to join departments in the areas I lived, but none had any openings. I recently moved back to this area and rejoined my old department again.

You're a fraud.....end of story....I put my pedigree out there and can back it up. You have zero time, and zero experiance....

Well, since you don't even know me, then your claim is in valid. And since it appears that you don't know how to read let me re-clarify for you. "I have been in the fire service for 12 years". So stil that up your "zero experience" ***.

Originally Posted by VinnieB

anyone who have witnessed these events would be all over the fire wires....yet Ive seen nothing from your dept in NC.

WHAT???? Hundreds of thousands of firefighters have witnessed back drafts and flash overs. You yourself said you were in a flash over. So where the hell are you in the fire wires?

Originally Posted by VinnieB

Keep reaching pal...at this point youre a troll and a liar.....a fake, with the intelect of a pre-pubesant.

Just because I made you look like a dumb **** because your incompetent *** thinks that fire scene safety is pointless, don't make me a troll or a liar. It makes you an *** hole that got his *** handed to him.

Originally Posted by VinnieB

To add...with all the bS youve spouted....none of it can be backed up...and its full of tactical errors, but most of all lies!

I have backed up every thing I have said. I have provided you with videos showing reasons why blocking the streets is good practice. THAT is the moment you got owned and turned into an *** hole.

Originally Posted by VinnieB

You're an absolute fake.....who do you think your fooling? Everyone here knows your a liar..."a team stretching, a team walking around...and a team setting up barricades....are you kidding me!?

REALLY????? Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****? Are you going to sit there and tell me that your department does not assign jobs and task to its members? Damn what chaos it must be on a scene for you all. I thought you were suppose dot be a good firefighter.

Well, let me explain to you how a good department works.
People are assigned jobs and task. They are put into teams. Upon arrival those teams go into action. One team (could be 2 people or 4) does a walk around. So no one else needs to worry about that task, they can concentrate on another job. Such as the team that pulls and runs lines and prepares to start water flow. You also have a team securing the scene making sure all looky-loos are a safe distance. Ever heard the saying "Many hands make lite work."

Originally Posted by VinnieB

No searching...venting....finding the fire....? Nothing like that huh? This is why we know your are a zero and a liar.......

Does your *** get jealous of the amount of crap that comes out of your mouth?
WHO THE HELL said none of that took place? This is why you are an *** hole. You twist things to make it work for you. ALL I said is we have teams that do jobs. I mentioned a few of those jobs including that one was a team to block off the area. Jesus Christ your thick.

Originally Posted by VinnieB

You argue like a 10 year old......what you need to do is just leave, you've proven yourself to be a fool....who really just needs a smack and a weggie....you're a waste.....

No, what I have done is proven that you are an *** hole that has not read, seen or comprehended a single thing in this thread. I have given you PROOF that the streets in front of a fire scene is dangerous. I have given you explanation on why it is good to block the area off, including the street. I have even explained how this can be done tactfully. Yet you choose to be a pompous ignorant dill hole and ignore all those facts. So go back to your perfect fire department where fire scenes are all rainbows and lollipops.

Originally Posted by Bones42

from mr d himself....

My firefighting career started when I was a Sr. in high school in 1999. I joined as a Jr firefighter along with my GF at the time on her uncles department. When she and I split up, I left the department and joined another closer to me. After I graduated, I joined the Air Force. 2 weeks into basic I was injured and discharged. I moved around a bit and tried to join departments in the areas I lived, but none had any openings. I recently moved back to this area and rejoined my old department again.

Easily matches up to Vinnie's knowledge/experience....

Ok, 13 years I don't count 1999 as it was Jr Firefighter.

And if he is so knowledgeable/experienced then he would not have any problems understanding the point of fire scene safety and control. Heck, maybe he does but just wants to come here and be a ****** bag.

Wait, let me take a wild guess. you are posting that to try and say that I have not been active during that time right? Yeah I figured. Well, since this site needs things spelled out for them let me do so for you.

I moved around but still within this county, which is rather small. I was still active on the same department and attended calls (mostly mutual aid which is common here). When I moved back to this area (this side of town closer to the station) I rejoined it as my "local station".

What the hell kind of departments do you guys belong to that you don't understand this stuff? Are you telling me that if you are part of XYZ department on the west side of town, then you move to a house on the east side, that you can no longer be a member of XYZ? What a way to keep people active and interested. Hell departments around here have members that even live across the state line. most members around here are also on multiple departments. This is how teamwork works.

Oh but we are just a small town rural area of volunteers. We are not paid so we don't know anything.

I am assuming you missed the part where Vinnie told you where he works. You are making yourself look like an idiot. Your disputible "13 years" in the fire service does not come close to 13 months in his department.

Being as you have all of these "teams" initially running around your fire scene, what do you guys respond in? A bus? Look at any urban, suburban or rural department who assigns riding positions. I promise you won't find Street Blocker Guy on the chalk board anywhere. This concept is so comical that I am now convinced you are a troll.

Oh and thanks for taking the Backdraft quote down. It wasn't correct anyway.

Wait, let me take a wild guess. you are posting that to try and say that I have not been active during that time right? Yeah I figured. Well, since this site needs things spelled out for them let me do so for you.

I moved around but still within this county, which is rather small. I was still active on the same department and attended calls (mostly mutual aid which is common here). When I moved back to this area (this side of town closer to the station) I rejoined it as my "local station".

What the hell kind of departments do you guys belong to that you don't understand this stuff? Are you telling me that if you are part of XYZ department on the west side of town, then you move to a house on the east side, that you can no longer be a member of XYZ? What a way to keep people active and interested. Hell departments around here have members that even live across the state line. most members around here are also on multiple departments. This is how teamwork works.

Oh but we are just a small town rural area of volunteers. We are not paid so we don't know anything.

No one is saying that rural volunteers don't know anything. No one. BUT, like all things, sometimes we as volunteers can learn all sorts of things from the bigger departments like the one Vinnie gets a check from.

Sometimes it works the other way. Big problem I had when I got to this department, was not having a hydrant to catch. Anywhere. But I was shown and now I show rural water.

Sometimes we have people from either side blabbering about something that they obviously no clue about. This is clearly one of those cases.

WAIT! I GOT IT GUYS.

His department does not know what to do with him at a scene. He is "that" guy. No one wants to work with Mr D, so they found a job that he is fully capable of doing, and he does not have to interact with the rest of the department.

I can see it now. You , Mr D - You go and.... Uh..... Shut the street down. Stay there and make sure it stays shut down. I will come get you when us firefighters are done"

Well, since you don't even know me, then your claim is in valid. And since it appears that you don't know how to read let me re-clarify for you. "I have been in the fire service for 12 years". So stil that up your "zero experience" ***.

WHAT???? Hundreds of thousands of firefighters have witnessed back drafts and flash overs. You yourself said you were in a flash over. So where the hell are you in the fire wires?

Just because I made you look like a dumb **** because your incompetent *** thinks that fire scene safety is pointless, don't make me a troll or a liar. It makes you an *** hole that got his *** handed to him.

I have backed up every thing I have said. I have provided you with videos showing reasons why blocking the streets is good practice. THAT is the moment you got owned and turned into an *** hole.

REALLY????? Are you ****ing kidding me with this ****? Are you going to sit there and tell me that your department does not assign jobs and task to its members? Damn what chaos it must be on a scene for you all. I thought you were suppose dot be a good firefighter.

Well, let me explain to you how a good department works.
People are assigned jobs and task. They are put into teams. Upon arrival those teams go into action. One team (could be 2 people or 4) does a walk around. So no one else needs to worry about that task, they can concentrate on another job. Such as the team that pulls and runs lines and prepares to start water flow. You also have a team securing the scene making sure all looky-loos are a safe distance. Ever heard the saying "Many hands make lite work."

Does your *** get jealous of the amount of crap that comes out of your mouth?
WHO THE HELL said none of that took place? This is why you are an *** hole. You twist things to make it work for you. ALL I said is we have teams that do jobs. I mentioned a few of those jobs including that one was a team to block off the area. Jesus Christ your thick.

No, what I have done is proven that you are an *** hole that has not read, seen or comprehended a single thing in this thread. I have given you PROOF that the streets in front of a fire scene is dangerous. I have given you explanation on why it is good to block the area off, including the street. I have even explained how this can be done tactfully. Yet you choose to be a pompous ignorant dill hole and ignore all those facts. So go back to your perfect fire department where fire scenes are all rainbows and lollipops.

Ok, 13 years I don't count 1999 as it was Jr Firefighter.

And if he is so knowledgeable/experienced then he would not have any problems understanding the point of fire scene safety and control. Heck, maybe he does but just wants to come here and be a ****** bag.

Wait, let me take a wild guess. you are posting that to try and say that I have not been active during that time right? Yeah I figured. Well, since this site needs things spelled out for them let me do so for you.

I moved around but still within this county, which is rather small. I was still active on the same department and attended calls (mostly mutual aid which is common here). When I moved back to this area (this side of town closer to the station) I rejoined it as my "local station".

What the hell kind of departments do you guys belong to that you don't understand this stuff? Are you telling me that if you are part of XYZ department on the west side of town, then you move to a house on the east side, that you can no longer be a member of XYZ? What a way to keep people active and interested. Hell departments around here have members that even live across the state line. most members around here are also on multiple departments. This is how teamwork works.

Oh but we are just a small town rural area of volunteers. We are not paid so we don't know anything.

Full of more contradictions and lies....and you're a fake....a liar...and a fraud. ..case in point..you said you've personally witnessed many backdrafts and flashovers.....then state here its a grand collective experience.....you lack logic, experience, knowledge, no one is disputing the need to block off the fire building...but we are collectively questioning your knowledge and experience....especially with how backdrafts and other phenomenon work....because you obviously do not understand it based on your ridiculous comments....your defense is full of red herrings and ad hominems.....furthermore, anyone who has actually been to a few fires knows that once companies commit to the operation, and lines are dropped...and buildings are laddered...the street is effectively blocked, but there are many variables; you have obviously never experienced, that need to be taken into account....I stated some of them, you failed to grasp the concept......again.....

Are you just upset that your lack of understanding how things work in the real world makes you ignorant and a safety threat to your department.

As a member of Vinnie's department, I would follow him anywhere. (That includes the giant sandbox if I had the opportunity.) Not just by blind faith, but purely in knowing that we will be doing what we need to do and adapting as necessary.

Originally Posted by Mr. D.

Lets put it this way for EVERYONE HERE. Since most of you seem to have your heads up your butts on this.

You know that little quote?
One in four people is crazy. If your three immediate friends seem normal, then it's you.

As a member of Vinnie's department, I would follow him anywhere. (That includes the giant sandbox if I had the opportunity.) Not just by blind faith, but purely in knowing that we will be doing what we need to do and adapting as necessary.

You know that little quote?
One in four people is crazy. If your three immediate friends seem normal, then it's you.

Wait..Doesn't Vinny work in the big apple? along with a few others on here? Based on his experience, is he told me fire was purple, and smoke was pink...I would believe him based on his experience. Just saying..

Well, since you don't even know me, then your claim is in valid. And since it appears that you don't know how to read let me re-clarify for you. "I have been in the fire service for 12 years". So stil that up your "zero experience" ***.

I thought this was funny. You misspelled "invalid" and then say he can't read. Just a caveat. Carry on.

Originally Posted by Mr. D.

Well, let me explain to you how a good department works.
People are assigned jobs and task. They are put into teams. Upon arrival those teams go into action. One team (could be 2 people or 4) does a walk around.

Ooooh. I'm so enraptured with how a "good department" works.
Waitasecond......So....when your teams arrive....instead of actually helping pull lines, ladder the building, securing a water source....2 to 4 people go for a walk????
Is up to 8 pairs of eyes helping make "lite work" of a sizeup as opposed to helping with the actual physical part of the job?

Originally Posted by Mr. D.

Oh but we are just a small town rural area of volunteers. We are not paid so we don't know anything.

You brought it up. But no. None of us said that.
You're the one with the two sticks. One on your shoulder and the other firmly up your arse.

Mr D, just quit. The more you try to make Vinnie (an experienced fireman in the largest department in US) look bad, you make yourself look completely foolish. Seriously, you're so close minded to what everyone else is saying that you appear to look like a complete idiot.

As it was said before, Vinnie has, and will, do more in a few months than you will in your entire fire service career. I envy the real-world experience that he gets, but am glad he's willing to share his lessons with us so we can do the right thing and go back and educate our peers to keep 'em safe.

One of the things that I think that you forget that this forum is made up of career, volunteer, and on-paid-on-call members who serve from NYC to the flats of the midwest. We collectively share our experiences and learn from each other. Yet you seem to think you can come on here and enlighten us with stories, anecdotes, and "lessons" that we know are so ridiculous we can't help but call you out on it rather than look the other way.

You live in a county of 25,000 spread over 455 square miles. How many fires are you responding to annually?