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Mike Glennon’s Future

The Mike Glennon Mob has come to grips with the fact their hero, barring injury to Josh McCown or the Bucs not drafting a quarterback next month (something Joe will lay cash that the Bucs indeed will do) will not start for at least two years.

That doesn’t mean the MGM has given up hopes that Glennon will someday rescue the Bucs from their postseason winless purgatory.

The MGM also lives in denial that Glennon led the worst offense in the NFL last year. Sure, Glennon didn’t get much help from his teammates as the offensive line was ragged, the best running backs were hurt, and there was zero depth at wide receiver after the scourge of society, mattress-in-the-yard Mike Williams, was lost to injury.

Well, the MGM can take some solace in the fact that Matt Williamson and Robert Flores have their backs. The BSPN NFL analyst and the BSPN talking head seem aghast that Bucs coach Lovie Smith tagged Josh McCown as their starter via free agency. And with their information that Lovie and Bucs general manager Jason Licht seem to be struck by Cupid’s arrow for Johnny Football, they consider Glennon some sort of an NFL martyr and general managers leaguewide should be beating down Licht’s door to trade for Glennon.

This is what Flores and Williamson discussed in a recent “ESPN Football Today” podcast.

Matt Williamson: I think the other shoe to drop, and I’ve been saying this ever since [the Bucs] signed [Josh] McCown, if I was 31 other GMs, I’d be making offers for Mike Glennon right now. No doubt. The Texans should, the Raiders.

Robert Flores: That’s a very good point. We’ve both talked about how Glennon really showed flashes of being a solid or maybe a very good quarterback in this league. When they signed McCown, I think we were both surprised because we thought they would give Glennon every chance to make that position his own. Now they have Johnny Manziel coming to visit. Jeff Tedford is the offensive coordinator. So maybe between him and Lovie Smith, there is something they don’t like; something they are not seeing from Glennon. And as you mentioned, they very much love Johnny Manziel.

Williamson: They have an asset that a lot of teams could use right now. The Cardinals. Let [Glennon] sit behind [Carson] Palmer for a year. I mean, just about anybody, if you can get him for a fourth-round pick. I thought he played quite well as a rookie. I also heard of any quarterback who played in this league, he had a Top Ten passer rating of any rookie season. He wasn’t a disaster. He had very little running game at the end. He lost [Doug] Martin, he lost the backups. Their offensive line wasn’t much to speak of. Mike Williams was hurt. They didn’t have much to throw to. I thought he played quite well.

First off, let Joe get something off his chest that’s been gnawing at him like a perpetual hangover. There may not be any more of a nonsense, bogus, empty concocted and convoluted statistic than quarterback rating. Want proof? Take a gander at the top quarterback ratings in NFL history. It’s a friggin’ joke!

Quarterback rating is nothing more than statistical graffiti, tied together by gibberish, injected with nonsense and floated as Gospel. So someone touting Glennon as having a good quarterback rating is empty if not misleading rhetoric.

Joe has no idea how people watched Glennon last year and think he is the second coming of Carson Palmer. To the best Joe can remember, Glennon had five impressive drives. Five drives out of 13 starts! That’s not a good ratio, not even for a rookie thrust possibly too quickly into the starting lineup.

Now if you want to argue Glennon had bad coaching, then Joe is listening. In the San Francisco loss, Glennon got hung out to dry by former Bucs commander Greg Schiano. Glennon had two fine hurry-up drives in the first half, only to have Schiano to pull the plug on the no-huddle with a lame excuse that the team hadn’t practiced a no-huddle, thus Schiano stopped it.

Though we later learned Schiano and his staff were already out the door by the time that game was played, Schiano’s postgame line probably would have sealed his fate had Team Glazer not already come to a handshake agreement with Lovie, allegedly.

Clearly, barring an injury to McCown, Glennon is not going to start for the next two years. So Joe doesn’t think he would balk if he had a chance to play somewhere else via a trade.

This draft is deep in many positions, specifically one where the Bucs have a need: wide receiver. Licht told Joe at the NFL Scouting Combine that a starting WR can be had in the third round. If L&L do plan to draft a quarterback next month, and some other team is texting Licht for Glennon, then Joe doesn’t think it’s such an outrageous notion to swap Glennon for a draft pick. And maybe the Bucs could use that as ammo (with another future pick) to get another 2014 third round selection in a trade, using that on a wide receiver. Or a quarterback more to their liking.

Surely, we will not keep 3QBs…..If we draft a QB, Glennon will be traded and it my happen during the draft.
Our new coaches deserve to have the players they want.
I do think Glennon is worth his 3rd round pick….he has proven to be at least a very solid backup.
I personally thought he was held back and forced to be way too cautious by his coaching….that’s why he took sacks and that’s why his QB rating was good….but that’s also why we lost games.

Sucks if they trade him. If they were smart at lest they would keep him through trading camp and see first hand what he can do. He’s working his ass off…they all are. He might come back 10 lbs heavier and a little more mobile. He had a good arm I don’t care what anyone says they must have been watching a vikings game cuz he made some nice throws. I recall our offenses biggest issue being dropped passes and lack of talent and horrible play calling. I don’t think he should be the starter hands down….I just think it will suck if he goes to Ariozna or somewhere like that and lights it up.

joseph mamma Says:
April 15th, 2014 at 6:52 am
If they work for BSPN: then why put them in your blog? Just curious, doesn’t that mean that your spreading bullsh@t?

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Good point mamma! Anything to advance the agenda that Glennon was horrible as a rookie. I mean, all the best QBs in the game – Manning, Brady, Brees – they were all Pro Bowlers their rookie years, right? – so it’s easy to see for Joe that Glennon doesn’t have it.

Not saying Glennon is anywhere close to any of those previously mentioned, but how someone like Joe can tell after 13 games is beyond me.

joseph mamma Says:
April 15th, 2014 at 6:52 am
If they work for BSPN: then why put them in your blog? Just curious, doesn’t that mean that your spreading bullsh@t?

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Good point mamma! Anything to advance the agenda that Glennon was horrible as a rookie. I mean, all the best QBs in the game – Manning, B.rady, Brees – they were all Pro Bowlers their rookie years, right? – so it’s easy to see for Joe that Glennon doesn’t have it.

Not saying Glennon is anywhere close to any of those previously mentioned, but how someone like Joe can tell after 13 games is beyond me.

It would make very little sense to spend 10 mil on McCown & not start him….it would also not make a lot of sense drafting a QB at 7 and not starting him….(a luxury these days)…..it would also make little sense drafting a QB in any round and still keeping Glennon.
I think it is possible that all this QB draft activity is a smokescreen. Bucs want teams to take QBs and trade up for QBs so they can get Watkins or Mack at 7.

I think Glennon could very well be a Brad Johnson like player. He needs more time. I wouldn’t be upset at all if they traded him though, because Brad Johnson is good we have a chance to get someone great. I would much rather have greatness

The passer rating looks pretty accurate to me. Not sure what you’re not seeing Joe??? Are you basing this report solely on career statistics? You do realize not every QB plays for the same length of time. I mean C’mon now.

Glennon will be in this league for a long time. Will Manziel, Bridgewater or Bortles? Bridgewater probably, the other two have 5 years or less potential. Getting rid of Glennon id moronic, and it isn’t happening either. If Glennon was available someone would have traded a 4th rounder for him. He’s not available. Lovie is impressed by his smarts and work ethic. I think many are in for crushing disappointment when there not only isn’t a QB drafted at 7, there isn’t a QB drafted at all. I’m not at 60/40 they don’t draft a QB.

Also QBR is a phony, ESPN invented stat to hype up the guys it wants to. I think Kaepernick has the 3 greatest games ever according to QBR. Does anyone really believe he’s had the 3 best games ever played by a QB? Yeah no.

Might be helpful to ask at the next presser how many QBs they plan to keep on the roster? If the answer is two and they draft a QB, the answer is obvious to me. If the answer is three, then Glennon is in a battle for the third spot.

Remember, you have to cut a player first and he has to clear waivers to get him on the practice squad. If that player had any trade value at all, he will not clear waivers.

If there is any doubt in your mind about the player and the possibility of losing the player for nothing, would you take a pick if offered, any pick?

Both Lovie and Licht have stated several times their desire to carry only two QBs. I agree with that myself. For one reason only, if it comes down to your 3rd qb the season is probably shot therefore focus reps on the starter and backup. More so now with a new system.

There is more going on here than what meets the eye, obviously. Williamson is arguing that Glennon sits behind Palmer for a year? Who is to say that Glennon is not sitting behind McCown for a year to learn how a real quarterback goes about his business? This time next year we may be talking about how Mike Glennon 2.0 is goimg to be leading the Bucs to the playoffs. We just arent used to forward-thinking management of the Bucs and how there may actually be a plan to all this hoopla.

But you’re missing the point. Guys like Joe, tmax, and eric know for a fact that Glennon isn’t any good and never will be. Don’t ask me how they know, but they just do. They’re smart like that! I’m sure they know tomorrow’s winning lottery numbers too.

QB ratings do mean something , Glennon had a average QB Rating in his rookie year which is more than many qbs can say ..i think the point has been to let him build off last season instead of drafted a mini me tebow sideshow .

zam Says:
April 15th, 2014 at 8:22 am
Since when does throwing the checkdown every play make you a “solid” quarterback? Sure you’ll throw fewer interceptions, but you’ll end up with the 32nd ranked offense in the league. QED
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Factually incorrect. #1 QB in the NFL last year in yards gain through the air (i.e not checkdowns and dumpoffs to receivers)? Why, it’s Mike Glennon of course. So if you’re going to hate the guy at least be factually correct.

Tmax, what’s stupid? If wins are the currency, Flacco is thus equal to Manning. Robert Horry is better than Jordan. It’s stupid to base wins as the only measure of a QB. Wins matter, because without them a QB doesn’t have a job very long. So funny story but most good QBs win a lot.

As to “raise you standards”, you should look in the mirror. Providing overly simplistic analysis without ever considering context? Raise you standards indeed…

you are too ignorant to understand anything more complicated. you prove that every day by twisting and turning other peoples posts and your biased support for a career backup.

When they change the rules and start giving Superbowl rings out to players with the best stats versus teams with the most wins your logic would apply. Until then don’t waste my team with your ignorance.

Clearly, barring an injury to McCown, Glennon is not going to start for the next two years.

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There is nothing clear about it. McCown was brought in to help, if he is better (which i doubt) then he will start, Glennon will be given the chance. Keep hating Joe, It’s going to be fun listening to you cry when Glennon wins the job back!

Glennon ain’t so bad. Would prefer him as a stopgap qb to McCown – at least Glennon has upside. McCown has had years to become more than average and hasn’t. If the Bucs draft a qb I prefer Glennon to start initially, chance he plays decent and ends up having some trade value down the track.

God, this crap is getting boring! Joe, what’s your crystal ball show for the stock market for the next 2 years? If you can tell the future ( I.e. Glennon won’t start here for 2 years and will most likely get traded), you might as well conjure up the Dow for a while so we can make some money!

Glennon, during his 13 games led a 23rd ranked offense, not the 32nd. I know including Freeman’s atrocious first 3 games aides in your defeat of Glennon. But if we are looking at Glennon, then let’s freaking look at Glennon. I understand if you believe he is a poor QB based on your assumption of just 5 winning drives, but the data does not support your 32nd ranked offense claim. Freeman’s offense scored just 24 offensive points during his 3 game stint, this goes a long way in bringing down the average points per game throughout a 16 game season.

At least a 2nd for him or he wont be traded. I still think he’ll be great given a little more time, some receivers and a few decent O linemen. I have the feeling we’ll regret letting him go if we do, but in Lovie I trust….just not buying the manziel mancrush, other than a smokescreen! He would/SHOULD be wanting Robinson/Watkins/Mack/Matthews/Lewan….Id even be fine with Bortles!

Lovie Smith is so enthralled with Josh McCown he once deemed him not even worthy of holding a clipboard over Jason Campbell, thus proving Lovie Smith wouldn’t know a decent QB if it were standing right in front of him.

If you look at the mock drafts none of them have a QB drafted by any team in the first round after the 8 spot. Most teams are set at QB. And if any teams were inclined to move up to take a QB they would go higher up than 7.

So, I suppose we could be smokescreening the Vikes to move up one spot.

Seems like a lot of smokescreening effort to do that.

The much more likely scenario is they are bringing quarterbacks in cause they want a QB…………….not named Mike Glennon.

Or they are just doing there job and preparing for any scenario and considering we have never had a franchise QB nor do we have an established good veterean, i would say they are doing exactly what they are suppose to be doing but bringing in QBs for workouts has nothing to do with how they feel about Glennon.

But I can see how your loathe for anything Glennon can sway your opinion.

I’m totally not an expert when it comes to trading players and suggesting compensation. But it seems to me the Bucs might think about holding on to Glennon for possible draft day trade or post draft trade…if they would seriously consider trading him. As we all know there is a lot of smoke in the air. Hopefully Bucs don’t jump the gun and receive reduced value by moving him too early. It’s nice having a capable backup at QB.

Mike Glennon does have trade value; he doesn’t carry a Revis like cap number and he hasn’t acted a fool over the last year or so off the field like Mike Williams. There may very well be a team that takes into consideration that the new regime prefers to have their own guy that fits into their new system and makes an offer. If that is the case, I would make the trade if it’s for a 3rd or 4th round pick and if a QB is selected by the Bucs within the first three rounds.

Not a big fan of Glennon last year, but I believe he could develope into a good QB. McComb is old and maybe will play for the Bucs for one year if they draft a QB. The Bucs could let McComb start next year and develope Glennon and the QB they draft. Glennon would make a good backup and who knows for sure how good he could become in the future. Not all of the great QB’s playing today had a great rookie year.

If Glennon turns out to be a good QB, I’m gonna Laaaaugh! Not saying he will be but comical how so many are in such a hurry to throw him in a dumpster because he wasn’t Brady/Manning/Brees right out of the box. If he had been a 1st round pick, oh the praise he’d get for being so good for a rookie under horrible circumstances! just sayin’.

you are too ignorant to understand anything more complicated. you prove that every day by twisting and turning other peoples posts and your biased support for a career backup.

When they change the rules and start giving Superbowl rings out to players with the best stats versus teams with the most wins your logic would apply. Until then don’t waste my team with your ignorance.
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Yawn. Your posts are mostly boring. Your logic would apply, except you don’t ever use any logic in your posts so its kinda hard for logic to apply when it doesn’t exist to begin with.

Like for instance, based of your standards, if the Bucs draft your boy Johnny, and the Bucs go 6-10 next year, with the 28th ranked offense, and Johnny has 20TDs and 15INTs…he should be straight up traded for anything. A 7th rounder will do. Of course you’ll now change your approach, likely using the fact Manziel is a 1st rounder. Good thing you weren’t the Seahawks coach, as you would have started Flynn because he got paid more. Well done.

That’s true. If the standard is wins and titles, I’m not sure why he doesn’t want McCarron. In fact, if nothing else, Manziel is the fantasy stats type that he is denigrating. Compare titles, wins vs stats between Manziel and McCarron.

Guys like Joe, tmax, and eric know for a fact that Glennon isn’t any good and never will be. Don’t ask me how they know, but they just do. They’re smart like that!

Why it’s easy they say that Glennon doesn’t pass the mythical all-knowing GM of my living room eyeball test that can accurately predict NFL stardom by watching high school and college YouTube clips on guys. Also part of the eyeball test is knowing that only good looking QB’s are franchise QB’s. I’m sure the Colts should trade that homely Andrew Luck guy away for Brady Quinn, now that guy looks like a real franchise QB who probably pulled well in college!

Glennon if traded should snag atleast a third here’s why. He’s young, has a cheap contract and has shown the ability to play well in this league. I hope he stays but this new regime is trying to clear the stench of schiano out.

Belicheat is waiting to pounce. Once he finalizes his trade to Houston for Ryan Mallet he will turn his attention to Tampa about acquiring Glennon (for a ham sandwich and a coke). I believe it was Belicheat’s advice to Schiano for drafting Mike Glennon.

Sitting behind Bradie to be groomed as Tom’s eventual replacement is not a bad thing. When Glennon is in a better system and is able to actually flourish, JOE will be eating his GD words.

Most “talking heads” don’t have a clue and the Quarterback Rating evaluation is worthless. I totally agree with Joe and his analysis on this point. It is difficult for me to understand why there are so many doubters of Glennon in the BUCS world. As a rookie, who could he learn from…..Josh Freeman? What part of the offense was actually functional? Josh McCown will be a great teacher and prepare Glennon for a successful career in Tampa. Drafting a quarterback at #1 is out of the question if the BUCS truly want to compete for a title in 2014. Take a deep breath Joe…..it ain’t going to happen!!!

Get a QB next year. None of the QBs this year are 1st round material. They’re just going in the 1st because teams need one. I’m also tired of hearing how deep WR is. If you can get a Julio Jones, you get one. You don’t wait for a 2nd or 3rd tier WR. Evans@7

The reason I hope Mike Glennon gets a chance is simply based on his performance stats for last year as a rookie. (QBR 83.9, 19 TDs, and 9 INTs) which compare very favorably vs. the lifetime stats of all the FIRST round picks of the last 20 years, and NOT just comparing their rookie stats with MG8!
Even looking at the QB’s taken #1 overall in the draft ( 13 players), they have a combined 106 seasons over their careers, but only in 43 of 106= 40.6% of those seasons did that player post a QB rating HIGHER than MG8′s 83.9, and that total includes 14 seasons by Peyton Manning.
Those same #1 overall QB’s threw for 19 or more TDs in only 49 of 106= 46.2% cumulative seasons, but MG8 managed to do that in only 13 games in his rookie campaign.
And in only 20 seasons out of those 106= 18.9% did that QB have a better TD/INT ratio better than MG8′s 19/9= 2.1. Once again, take away P. Manning’s 9 seasons doing that, and you’re left with only nine seasons ever in their career for the remaining 12 players with a TD/INT ratio better than Mike’s last year.
Now for the sarcastic part. MG8 did have an All-Pro offensive line, 60% of whom were inexplicably released and/or traded by by our new regime. He did have an unbelievable running attack and seasoned tight ends, as well as two of the top ten receivers in the league, and got almost all of the reps in preseason and the first three weeks practice during the regular season. Plus he had an unbelievable coaching staff and OC, as well. And just like Josh McCown, he got to play Dallas and Minnesota the 31st and 32nd worst defenses in the league last year, rather than the 49′ers, Saints, Panthers, and other playoff-bound teams who were fighting for divisional crowns and home-field advantage in December.
And finally, one of the most interesting facts I learned, was that of all those 1st round QB’s, 37 of 51 of them (37/51=72.5%) improved their lifetime QB rating compared with their rookie rating.

Posted late last night on another thread so please ignore if you wish, or have seen this before.

There have been 51 quarterbacks taken in the first round of the NFL draft in the last 20 years (1993-2013). Their AVERAGE performance does improve somewhat the closer you get to the top of that round, but not as much as you might think. For instance, those 51 players have played an aggregate total of 384 seasons (this means that you take the number of total seasons that that player has competed, and add them all up .e.g Drew Bledsoe [#1 overall in 1993] played a total of 14 seasons plus next guy times # of seasons etc.) If I were to pick an arbitrary QB rating as a standard against which to measure their performance, say 83.9 as an example to just pick a number out of the blue…… then there were 120 total seasons where those first-rounders had a rating higher than 83.9 (120/384=31.2%). Please note, this is any season EVER in their career, not just their rookie seasons.
Or stated the opposite way, that means that almost 69% of those seasons resulted in a QB rating less than 83.9. Looking at the individual players, there were 17 (17/51=33%) who NEVER had a single season with a rating greater than 83.9 in their entire careers!
Let’s also pick an arbitrary number of TD passes in a single season…..oh say 19. Out of those same 384 seasons, only 114 (114/384=30%) seasons resulted in that many TD’s. And 21 of those players (21/51=41.1%) NEVER had a single season with at least that many TD’s. And another 9 players had only one season with as many as 19 or more TD’s. Not even if they played 16 games. The numbers are even worse when you look for seasons with a TD/INT ratio greater than 2.1 (19/9)…… only 57 total seasons out of that 384 = 14.8%…… ANY season in their career, not just their rookie campaigns.

The front office wants as many qb’s to go in the top five as possible!! Why? They really want Mack or Watkins to fall or for a team to offer multiple picks. Do you really think they are interested in all these qb’s?

If Glennon goes and Little Johnny comes in and McCown goes down? Well Little Johnny can fall on his face and all will be fine. Then Joe and all the Little Johnny supporters will say no problem. And so will Lovie. Little Johnny was put in to early, Line sucked, no talent , no targets. Any excuse will work. Trade? Hell know. We know now he is the second coming of Tom Brady. Give him another year to prove himself.

bucrightoff… might want to check your facts about air yards. Glennon led the NFL in % of yards through the air with 64.5% of his total yards through the air, meaning a measley 35.5% of his passing yards were “Yards after catch” or YAC. That was (obviously) the worst in the NFL. Glennon was actually 18th in “Air yardage” total, and considering that was 2/3 of his total yardage it’s not very good.

So, the real #s are Glennon 24th in total passing yards, 18th in “Air yards”, T12th in Air yards per attempt (4.05). This coincides with his poor yards per attempt, being that 4 yards were through the air (2/3 of total) and 2 yards after catch (1/3 of total) resulting in his actual value of 6.27 yards per attempt which is good enough for 37th best QB in the league last year. Yep, 36 QBs on 32 teams gained more yards per attempt than Glennon and the 32nd ranked offense in the NFL.

Now, we can talk about hurt players with Williams being out, but Tiquan Underwood was 9th in the NFL when it comes to Yards at the catch (point of reception, no YAC) per reception in the NFL. VJ was 26th. So, the top two receiving threats we had for Glennon were actually pretty good at getting downfield and making catches, they just couldn’t gain yards afterwards (could be the route, the coverage, the throw that limits YAC). Tim Wright was the 15th best TE in yards at the point of the catch.

As to Glennon’s TD/INT ratio and QBR… something to remember when comparing those stats to previous years, the rules making things easier for QBs only started coming into play around 2003 and adjusted more favorably over the next several years. What used to be pretty good (83.9) is now only good for 23rd in the NFL for the 2013 season. That 19/9 ratio? good for 14th in the 2013 season. 59.4% completion percentage? T38th in the NFL last year. Glennon had just 15 pass plays go for 25 yards or more last year, 30th in the NFL. For a team that lost a lot of games, you’d think they’d heave that ball up there a bit. Heck, Andy Dalton had 36 and Geno Smith had 31.

Glennon turned 24 during the season, wanna see what other QBs did at age 23 or less including seasons pre-passer friendly? Marino (23) 5084 yds), Matthew Stafford (23) 5038 yds (also had 4967 (24) and 4650 (25)), Bledsoe (22) 4555, and on and on… Kosar, Luck, Manning, Newton and Freeman at 24 or younger (most more than once before hitting 25). Derek Andersen outdid Glennon at age 24. Glennon may have had (if he played the full season) 3200 yards. That’s assuming the downward trend we saw at the end of the season didn’t continue to degrade his stats.

Pro Football Focus‏@PFF·Apr 11
Highest percentage of passing air yards last season? Mike Glennon. 67.3% of his passing yards came in the air before the catch

What that means is his stats aren’t padded through YAC or by screens. It means his yards come in down the field passing, by moving the ball in the air, not dump it 1 yard and have the receiver turn it into a 30 yard gain. Having the worst YAC isn’t a detrimental stat at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

The rest of the stats matter to a degree, but remove the context of the season. If you had told someone Glennon would have those stats, in concert with all the other things that happened last year (a rookie being thrown into the fire, the poor offensive coaching, the lame duck head coach, Freeman trying to ruin the franchise, the injuries, the poor line play etc…), then you’d be crazy to say you weren’t impressed.

Glennon could be a good QB. As all the anti Glennon guys say, He should have won every game by himself. Pfft. If he’s traded, I think some other team WILL give him the weapons he needs. Then we look stupid as usual…