The Doctor may not be as immortal as you think

Whilst I know that is the prevailing wind from what has been taken from the Timeless Children but come with me on speculation using the canon we have. I may be a bit rusty on Classic canon so any revisions will be helpful.

I am looking at the same entity having two periods. The Timeless Child (TC) and the Doctor (DR).

We know that the Time Lords limited the regenerations to 12. The big and obvious question is why? Why would a race of beings who had discovered immortality make themselves mortal - albeit the long way round. It does not make sense. Classic Who told us that macular degeneration was one of the biggest reasons for this and I would imagine madness. We have seen this in part with the Master becoming increasingly unhinged, especially in New Who.

The question rises is how did the Time Lords know this. I rule out the possibility of them limiting it to an arbitrary 12 from the get go. The reason is they have witnessed this and who was the Time Lord most likely to hit this limit first? It would probably be the TC. It had had a number of regenerations during the period it was experimented on It then joined the Division which, as we know from the show and the amount of times the DR has regenerated, will result in further regenerations.

What if the TC, being in the teens of regenerations was showing signs of madness and dengeneration. What if the TC, in this madness, committed an atrocity? The Time Lords may well have decided to imprision the TC for other beings safety. The TC in a moment of lucidity, in league with Techtuan, may have decided to try and fix this madness. My own preference would be to involve the Sisterhood of Karn. In the same way they created the War Doctor they could create a "new" Time Lord. A new serum is invented to reverse the madness of too many regenerations As it was in the earliest phase it meant the TC disappeared, with the Time Lords amending everyones memories and a new Time Lord being created with a new regeneration cycle. The new Time Lord would call himself the Doctor and be limited to just 12 regenerations.

After using all the regenerations the Doctor is granted a new set which reverses the macular degeneration and the madness. Ruth is a 6B Doctor used by the Division. She ran away from the Division and tried to hide but is dragged back and eventually is released from service to become the Third Doctor.

There is no Doctor before the Hartnell one because all the other iterations are the TC. An atrocity would give reason to redact information. Without this I see no reason for the Time Lords to limit them to twelve regenerations or the Doctor to have no memory of working for the Division as it was displayed as a black ops section with no real reason to wipe their operatives minds. The wiping of the second Doctor's mind was due to him being an unwilling participant. I would like to see the Brendan wiping as being part of the 6B cycle as well - maybe the one before a full regeneration in Pertwee.

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Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: I can imagine it was introduced so the ruling elite could maintain "their" power and control. "Maintaining the status quo and order in society" and all that malarky...

Why 12? I suppose it could have been any arbitrary number, but 12 "felt right".

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

None of it matters anymore because anything that ever happ an in Doctor who doesn’t matter because canon doesn’t matter! Let’s just reset the thing every week! What’s the point of discussion? It’s just sci-fi ! Nothing is impossible!

They are all giraffe called Geoff and live in a space blimp on mars! Hardly a worse idea than a dragon egg moon or a baby space Moses?!

Maybe the serum Tecteun made from the extracted DNA wasn't completely perfect, and it produced unstable results at full strength so they administered it at the maximum dose they could get it to be stable.

I shudder to think how many children Tecteun killed off testing her serums before she was happy enough to inject herself. That woman was pure sadistic evil whatever way you look at her.

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

None of it matters anymore because anything that ever happ an in Doctor who doesn’t matter because canon doesn’t matter! Let’s just reset the thing every week! What’s the point of discussion? It’s just sci-fi ! Nothing is impossible!

They are all giraffe called Geoff and live in a space blimp on mars! Hardly a worse idea than a dragon egg moon or a baby space Moses?!

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

None of it matters anymore because anything that ever happ an in Doctor who doesn’t matter because canon doesn’t matter! Let’s just reset the thing every week! What’s the point of discussion? It’s just sci-fi ! Nothing is impossible!

They are all giraffe called Geoff and live in a space blimp on mars! Hardly a worse idea than a dragon egg moon or a baby space Moses?!

No thread is safe from the rage

Take a day off x

Wish I could, I've got nothing better to do really.

In other news, DC have just announced that Lex Luthor is about to tell Superman he's not really Kryptonian, but in fact from another dimension where creatures are made entirely out of thought, and he was infarct placed at the Kent farm by Kryptonian called Fuh'Kal, but it was billions of years into the future, and he travelled back in time! ALso, Lex Luthor is a clone of Superman, but with all the power removed, and Kryptonite doesn't really hurt Superman, is just placebo!

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.
I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.
I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

I have the advantage. I despise Jodie Whittaker. I mean really find her yeast infection annoying and have done so long before she infected Who,

So I had already grieved for the show years back. The denial, anger, bargaining, depression all came much earlier for me. I guess I'm just trying to share AA style. As I'd been able to move on the rape of the programme's history was for me simply cathartic. I've reached acceptance

I hope those that wallow in this iteration do you the courtesy of respecting your grief whilst it's so fresh

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

I'll probably get reamed for this, but...I don't really think its us they're trying to convince.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

Or maybe there are some of us who wants to talk about where the story can go from here and are not trying to convince the people who dislike the show of anything. Maybe some of us are bored of the whole like/dislike debate and want to talk about something else.

Whilst I do not think the Division will be part of the main storyline it could be part of a good book series, like the Star Wars books outside the films.

Discussing about the twelve regeneration limit and why it came about and whether the Doctor could be part of it is also interesting to me.

I have no interest in trying to convince anyone of anything. I liked the reveal and that is all that matters to me.

I genuinely think that if a TV Sci-Fi /Fantasy programme is causing you rage and genuine anger.....yes, that's when you walk away. I mean, really. Just head canon yourself and chill. Completely fair.

Know that's not really gonna happen of course. People out there are still miffed by the end of The Prisoner and that was transmitted a few years before I was born!

(Admittedly that was just 17 episodes rather than 57-ish years. And, well, it's ended. And McGoohan has ceased to be.)

Alright, that's not a good comparison. Shurrup!

This stuff is not really new though. There are people out there who don't really see *any* of Who from 2005 to 2020 as 'canon'. I mean, it all *is* IMO but that's their valid choice!

Heck, one person I remember meeting back in the day when I was meeting fans was fairly insistent at the time that Who ceased to be 'proper' and was not really 'canon' after JN-T became producer. Soooooo...the last 'proper' televised story was....'The Horns of Nimon'.

Fair dinkum, but personally had slight issues with that seeing as I only became a full blown fan with Season 19...

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

Or maybe there are some of us who wants to talk about where the story can go from here and are not trying to convince the people who dislike the show of anything. Maybe some of us are bored of the whole like/dislike debate and want to talk about something else.

Whilst I do not think the Division will be part of the main storyline it could be part of a good book series, like the Star Wars books outside the films.

Discussing about the twelve regeneration limit and why it came about and whether the Doctor could be part of it is also interesting to me.

I have no interest in trying to convince anyone of anything. I liked the reveal and that is all that matters to me.

You're absolutely right, you've convinced me there's a third set who are simply: satisfied

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

None of it matters anymore because anything that ever happ an in Doctor who doesn’t matter because canon doesn’t matter! Let’s just reset the thing every week! What’s the point of discussion? It’s just sci-fi ! Nothing is impossible!

They are all giraffe called Geoff and live in a space blimp on mars! Hardly a worse idea than a dragon egg moon or a baby space Moses?!

Are you complaining that a show that be set in any place, and in any time. With a lead character that can be played by any actor, and in a ship that can hypothetically look like anything is a bit too flexible???

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

Bloody good question. Why? And why 12? The Master (via what info The Matrix has given him) just states that Tecteun and "the ruling elite" decreed it when it was decided to let other Citadel-dwellers share the regenerative power...but with this limit. For them..."and their descendants". Ermmmm….

Maybe the thought was that if everyone could just regenerate forever (whilst still having descendants??) they were gonna need a bloody bigger Citadel?!

Flippant answer to a thoughtful post but tbh...I haven't got a scooby. Rassilon was certainly against 'immortality' in The Five Doctors though, simply because he agreed with The Doctor that no-one is ready for it, so that might tie in with this new stuff? It certainly scuppered Borusa and his plans to be in charge forever....and we see others who have tried before stuck in their stoniness at the end of this story!

BIB: surely the citadel is bigger on the inside - and if not, WHY NOT?

None of it matters anymore because anything that ever happ an in Doctor who doesn’t matter because canon doesn’t matter! Let’s just reset the thing every week! What’s the point of discussion? It’s just sci-fi ! Nothing is impossible!

They are all giraffe called Geoff and live in a space blimp on mars! Hardly a worse idea than a dragon egg moon or a baby space Moses?!

Are you complaining that a show that be set in any place, and in any time. With a lead character that can be played by any actor, and in a ship that can hypothetically look like anything is a bit too flexible???

Some people seem to confuse doctor who with the twig blight zone or electric dreams

Whilst I know that is the prevailing wind from what has been taken from the Timeless Children but come with me on speculation using the canon we have. I may be a bit rusty on Classic canon so any revisions will be helpful.

I am looking at the same entity having two periods. The Timeless Child (TC) and the Doctor (DR).

We know that the Time Lords limited the regenerations to 12. The big and obvious question is why? Why would a race of beings who had discovered immortality make themselves mortal - albeit the long way round. It does not make sense. Classic Who told us that macular degeneration was one of the biggest reasons for this and I would imagine madness. We have seen this in part with the Master becoming increasingly unhinged, especially in New Who.

The question rises is how did the Time Lords know this. I rule out the possibility of them limiting it to an arbitrary 12 from the get go. The reason is they have witnessed this and who was the Time Lord most likely to hit this limit first? It would probably be the TC. It had had a number of regenerations during the period it was experimented on It then joined the Division which, as we know from the show and the amount of times the DR has regenerated, will result in further regenerations.

What if the TC, being in the teens of regenerations was showing signs of madness and dengeneration. What if the TC, in this madness, committed an atrocity? The Time Lords may well have decided to imprision the TC for other beings safety. The TC in a moment of lucidity, in league with Techtuan, may have decided to try and fix this madness. My own preference would be to involve the Sisterhood of Karn. In the same way they created the War Doctor they could create a "new" Time Lord. A new serum is invented to reverse the madness of too many regenerations As it was in the earliest phase it meant the TC disappeared, with the Time Lords amending everyones memories and a new Time Lord being created with a new regeneration cycle. The new Time Lord would call himself the Doctor and be limited to just 12 regenerations.

After using all the regenerations the Doctor is granted a new set which reverses the macular degeneration and the madness. Ruth is a 6B Doctor used by the Division. She ran away from the Division and tried to hide but is dragged back and eventually is released from service to become the Third Doctor.

There is no Doctor before the Hartnell one because all the other iterations are the TC. An atrocity would give reason to redact information. Without this I see no reason for the Time Lords to limit them to twelve regenerations or the Doctor to have no memory of working for the Division as it was displayed as a black ops section with no real reason to wipe their operatives minds. The wiping of the second Doctor's mind was due to him being an unwilling participant. I would like to see the Brendan wiping as being part of the 6B cycle as well - maybe the one before a full regeneration in Pertwee.

Good theory but remember that The Doctor/Timeless Child isnt from Gallifrey and doesnt share genetics or theirs, they do of The Doctor/Timeless Child because of the gene splice. Could it be that the gene splice into the other time lords is the issue for the problems leading to the 12 regeneration limit? As for the memory wipe you may be right that the Sisters of Karn could have been involved, but instead of the way that The Doctor/Timeless Child was acting it was because they wanted to keep the knowledge of what The Doctor/Timeless Child did a secret? As for Ruth's Doctor you could be right, they havent specifically explained that one either way.

We've been shown so many times that the character can die if death occurs to quickly for regeneration to happen, or that the character can even choose to hold off regeneration to die. Anyone who takes the information that there's suddenly more regeneration potential than previously thought, and comes to the conclusion that it somehow makes the character immortal, clearly hasn't been watching properly.

We've been shown so many times that the character can die if death occurs to quickly for regeneration to happen, or that the character can even choose to hold off regeneration to die. Anyone who takes the information that there's suddenly more regeneration potential than previously thought, and comes to the conclusion that it somehow makes the character immortal, clearly hasn't been watching properly.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.
I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

You know this is what I find really amusing about the debate right now. There are two schools. One is walking away, the other is trying to convince the one who's walking away - that there's not a problem. Not sure why they feel the need too?

There's no marriage to save here. Some people don't like the current flavour and so are saying goodbye. Any breakup will have elements of bitterness but the way to resolve that is not to try and convince them they should have stayed for the sake of the kids

It's just time to move on

It'll be time to move on when I stop feeling full of rage.
I destroyed a cake today in pure anger.

I have the advantage. I despise Jodie Whittaker. I mean really find her yeast infection annoying and have done so long before she infected Who,

So I had already grieved for the show years back. The denial, anger, bargaining, depression all came much earlier for me. I guess I'm just trying to share AA style. As I'd been able to move on the rape of the programme's history was for me simply cathartic. I've reached acceptance

I hope those that wallow in this iteration do you the courtesy of respecting your grief whilst it's so fresh

Seriously? Grief, depression, rage, anger.

ITS A TV SHOW.

You're not the only one's acting as though some actual real world tragedy has occurred of course, but for anyone who is using this type of language to describe how you feel about the fact that you didn't like a storyline in a TV show, you probably should follow through with not watching anymore for your own wellbeing.

We've been shown so many times that the character can die if death occurs to quickly for regeneration to happen, or that the character can even choose to hold off regeneration to die. Anyone who takes the information that there's suddenly more regeneration potential than previously thought, and comes to the conclusion that it somehow makes the character immortal, clearly hasn't been watching properly.

We've been shown so many times that the character can die if death occurs to quickly for regeneration to happen, or that the character can even choose to hold off regeneration to die. Anyone who takes the information that there's suddenly more regeneration potential than previously thought, and comes to the conclusion that it somehow makes the character immortal, clearly hasn't been watching properly.