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This was a awful comparison. Wait until there is a proper sound capture and compare it stock for stock. If we want to use modded exhaust, a N54 with the HPF system sounds like a $#@!ing race car. But thats not stock

(personally) I don't give a $#@! what the car sounds like, as long as it is a great car, drives well, has good power, I can change the sound later with other exhaust if i want.

Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.

Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.

Csl isn't a stock e46 m3 yes the csl e46 m3 sounds good, and the e46 m3 doesn't sound bad to me , but it DID receive a lot of criticism from the auto industry mags and public for how it sounded when it was released. It didn't hurt the sales however and that's why I brought it up.

Oh you forgot when we had both. Check out the 458 Ferrari, Porsche 991 GT3, Mercedes SLS, and Corvette Z06 some time.

Originally Posted by benzy89

The "synthetic engine sounds" you're talking about are authentic S63 Tu engine tones/sounds, but because it's so quiet the pump the engine noise back into the cabin.

So they're synthetic? Yep.

Originally Posted by benzy89

It's a flat-plane, race inspired V8.... That probably cost as much as an M3. And just like the V12-TT in the Huayra, McLaren probably spent a TON of time and money on finding out how they could keep road legal emissions & offer an acoustically pleasing exhaust note because their customers are paying somewhere between $225k (McLaren) and $1.3 Million (Pagani)

And it sounds amazing. My whole point that they can sound awesome. The main point being the crank and firing order which people still seem to be missing.

Obviously I wasn't talking about an M3 with a blower on it like you have. I was talking about a stock M3 and they are slow. Just like the Maser, but the Maser sounds way better.

They are slow? Mid 12's is slow? So then what's the 335 stock? Slower. Did you need to modify yours? I hope so. But yours STILL is slow.

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Point is I wouldn't want a slow V8 car without torque like the M3. Nor a slow V8 car where someone slammed on a blower to make it faster and which will disintegrate once I drive it for 15 minutes on the Autobahn.

Somehow the motors don't disintegrate in racing where they have won championships. Without limping home.

A V12 will sound better then a V10, a V10 will sound better than a V8 and a V8 will sound better than a I6. Its life.

That's honestly not how it works.

The S14 sounds amazing. It's a four-cylinder.

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

E46 M3 sounded like a bunch of metal hitting each other, its awful.

It is?

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

This was a awful comparison. Wait until there is a proper sound capture and compare it stock for stock. If we want to use modded exhaust, a N54 with the HPF system sounds like a $#@!ing race car. But thats not stock

You don't get it. It doesn't matter what you do to it you still are working within the defined architecture. Yeah I'm sure an exhaust change will get it sounding anywhere near as good as that E46 M3 I just posted.

Can't disagree with this more and I've never owned one... the CSL m3 sounds like pure sex on wheels.

Anyone who has ever owned an E46 M3 knows the comments about the exhaust note not being great are plain dumb. It's one of the most unique tones in the business and has an exotic feel to it that is not easy to duplicate and won't be exceeded by any BMW six cylinder.

Point is I wouldn't want a slow V8 car without torque like the M3. Nor a slow V8 car where someone slammed on a blower to make it faster and which will disintegrate once I drive it for 15 minutes on the Autobahn.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Just like some people wouldn't want a laggy turbo car that will easily be limp mode prone during weekend track days.

The S65 is sublime on a road course.

That is why Porsche does it right. They have 911 turbo for stop light racers and the GT3 for track junkies. Even Ford makes the GT500 and Boss 302.

Oh yeah your proximity argument as evidence. Maybe if BMW puts a factory next door to Ferrari's the sound of the M3 will improve?

We can agree your motor will never sound better though, right?

What the hell are you talking about, proximity? FERRARI BUILDS THE MOTORS IN THE SAME EXACT PLANT. It's not "next to it" or "close to," it's the same thing! How hard is that to understand seriously? Your hypothetical questions make no sense, it's all just to try and get off the topic that a Ferrari motor will always sound better than an S65 ever will, period.

Originally Posted by Sticky

And there's a major reason why they sound incredibly different but let's not let facts muddy things.

That went right over your head apparently. It's a Ferrari motor wether you like it or not. And it still sounds better than an S65.

What the hell are you talking about, proximity? FERRARI BUILDS THE MOTORS IN THE SAME EXACT PLANT. It's not "next to it" or "close to," it's the same thing! How hard is that to understand seriously? Your hypothetical questions make no sense, it's all just to try and get off the topic that a Ferrari motor will always sound better than an S65 ever will, period.

You still don't get it eh? I have nothing against you. Do you really want to keep looking stupid?

Originally Posted by E90Company

That went right over your head apparently. It's a Ferrari motor wether you like it or not. And it still sounds better than an S65.

It would actually be a FIAT motor by your definition but you still don't get it is not the same Ferrari V8 design WHICH IS THE MAJOR REASON FOR THE SOUND OF THE MOTOR despite the location of the assembly. By all means, keep going.

I have nothing against you. Do you really want to keep looking stupid?

I don't either. But I don't think i'm looking stupid, just trying to prove a point just like you are

Originally Posted by Sticky

It would actually be a FIAT motor by your definition but you still don't get it is not the same Ferrari V8 design WHICH IS THE MAJOR REASON FOR THE SOUND OF THE MOTOR despite the location of the assembly. By all means, keep going.

No. "Fiat Auto" owns Ferrari and Maserati. Maserati and Ferrari are in a seperate division by themselves, together, under "Fiat Auto" ownership. "Fiat" the car brand, is a division under "Fiat Auto." Ferrari builds the motors alongside Maserati in the same plant together. "Fiat" the brand is in a seperate division from Ferrari/Maserati.

Location argument was brought up only to explain to you Ferrari/Maserati share the same exact factory and build motors to put into their cars in the same place, hand built.

I don't either. But I don't think i'm looking stupid, just trying to prove a point just like you are

Well you are looking stupid.

Originally Posted by E90Company

No. "Fiat Auto" owns Ferrari and Maserati. Maserati and Ferrari are in a seperate division by themselves, together, under "Fiat Auto" ownership. "Fiat" the car brand, is a division under "Fiat Auto." Ferrari builds the motors alongside Maserati in the same plant together. "Fiat" the brand is in a seperate division from Ferrari/Maserati.

Yes the parent company is FIAT as my point implied.

Originally Posted by E90Company

Location argument was brought up only to explain to you Ferrari/Maserati share the same exact factory and build motors to put into their cars in the same place, hand built.

And once again, in a discussion about engine sounds what does your incorrect assertion of a Maserati engine being equated to sounding just like a Ferrari stating it is the same thing have to do with location?

If that's what you think so be it. An S65 still won't ever sound as good as anything Ferrari/Maserati produces.

Originally Posted by Sticky

Yes the parent company is FIAT as my point implied.

Very good, glad you get it. Ferrari/Maserati engines are seperate from the motors "Fiat" produces, however Ferrari/Maserati motors are all "Fiat Auto" motors yes. Just like a Buick motors and GMC motors are both GM motors. The tech between Ferrari and "Fiat" car motors are not similar in a way Maserati's relation is, which is what your post oroginally implied over being a parent company.

Originally Posted by Sticky

And once again, in a discussion about engine sounds what does your incorrect assertion of a Maserati engine being equated to sounding just like a Ferrari stating it is the same thing have to do with location?

That's what you just said. I said a Maserati sounds better than any S65 ever will which is the truth. And a Maserati Quattroporte's motor is made by Ferrari in the same exact plant they hand build F430 and other Ferrari motors. Never said it "equates", you said that.

If that's what you think so be it. An S65 still won't ever sound as good as anything Ferrari/Maserati produces.

It's not what I think. It's a fact that the Maserati V8 does not equal the Ferrari V8 and that due to this they do not sound the same. Your implication that the Maserati V8 sounds better because it is a Ferrari V8 is incorrect. Fact. This is not subjective and you still don't understand why but I have faith it will click eventually.

A step forward. Now realize the Maserati motors are separate from the Ferrari motors and what separates them is why they don't sound the same. Let's see if you finally pick up on this.

Originally Posted by E90Company

I said a Maserati sounds better than any S65 ever will which is the truth. And a Maserati Quattroporte's motor is made by Ferrari in the same exact plant they hand build F430 and other Ferrari motors. Never said it "equates", you said that.

And once again, here we go, what does the plant have to do with anything? The Maserati sounds better than the S65 because it's built in the Ferrari plant? Huh?