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okay lets just say for a moment that you're right and somehow Haswell does manage to pull off a big boost (I don't trust that given Intel's GPU history). Even so It'll still be at a major performance loss versus whatever the current Midrange at the time is. Plus the kinds of people who go for midrange discrete graphics in a laptop aren't going to be going for intel gpus anyway.

haswell will be a boost like from gma to sandy bridge. y haswell will be lower midrange. but that will be enough for all games if you run them on 1366x768 on high-max details. trinity ofc will provide high midrange performance almost at least 6 months earlier.

haswell will be a boost like from gma to sandy bridge. y haswell will be lower midrange. but that will be enough for all games if you run them on 1366x768 on high-max details. trinity ofc will provide high midrange performance almost at least 6 months earlier.

All games, or all Linux games? if we're talking just native linux games I'll concede that point, but all games in general... no

Haswell might, but IB is only going to knockout low-end cards.
As for gstreamer, it drives me crazy as well. I know that you splitted-desktop has the gstreamer-vaapi plugin, and that, along with the i965 driver and libva should give you hw accel but I've never managed to get it to work on Fedora.

haswell will be a boost like from gma to sandy bridge. y haswell will be lower midrange. but that will be enough for all games if you run them on 1366x768 on high-max details. trinity ofc will provide high midrange performance almost at least 6 months earlier.

I think you're right about the performance increase, but that won't mean its able to run any game at high settings @768.

yes amd will always be 1 generation ahead. but haswel will be a mega step forward. they are almost only focusing on the gpu. while ivy bridge gives ca 20-50% performance boost, haswell is going to add 50% and more to ivy bridge.

Yep2.. With mega price increase as well. Congrats!

Originally Posted by bongmaster2

haswell will be a boost like from gma to sandy bridge. y haswell will be lower midrange. but that will be enough for all games if you run them on 1366x768 on high-max details. trinity ofc will provide high midrange performance almost at least 6 months earlier.

I think you're right about the performance increase, but that won't mean its able to run any game at high settings @768.

Just a guess from my side, and please do not take this as some official comment about future GPU architectures .

My opinion is that with Ultrabooks, notebooks and smartphones, the highest resolution that still matters is the one your notebook/ultrabook/phone supports. Which is lately standardized at around 1366x768 or 1600x900 or even full-hd (1920x1080) for 90% of them, if you could run any 3D application with 60fps, this should cover all the essential needs for pretty much everyone out there.

And if you want to run higher resolution monitors with ultimate game settings, you are going to use a dedicated graphics card anyway, no matter how good integrated cards are .

Just a guess from my side, and please do not take this as some official comment about future GPU architectures .

My opinion is that with Ultrabooks, notebooks and smartphones, the highest resolution that still matters is the one your notebook/ultrabook/phone supports. Which is lately standardized at around 1366x768 or 1600x900 or even full-hd (1920x1080) for 90% of them, if you could run any 3D application with 60fps, this should cover all the essential needs for pretty much everyone out there.

And if you want to run higher resolution monitors with ultimate game settings, you are going to use a dedicated graphics card anyway, no matter how good integrated cards are .

I've been hearing stirrings about "4K" (and of course the marketing types screwed up the only sane naming scheme there was for resolutions, that 4k means on the horizontal side..) screens, and while I don't expect laptops will be getting those, it does point to a pixel density increase in the near future.

I've been hearing stirrings about "4K" (and of course the marketing types screwed up the only sane naming scheme there was for resolutions, that 4k means on the horizontal side..) screens, and while I don't expect laptops will be getting those, it does point to a pixel density increase in the near future.

Ditto on the naming scheme.
The 4k prototypes look amazing, but last year Sharp demoed an 8k display. So that, along with the new iPad or even the upcoming transformer prime infinity lead me to think that ~200+ dpi screens for laptops are very possible. The main problem will be UI. Gtk had (has?) a resolution independent branch but I don't know how well it works.

Just a guess from my side, and please do not take this as some official comment about future GPU architectures .

My opinion is that with Ultrabooks, notebooks and smartphones, the highest resolution that still matters is the one your notebook/ultrabook/phone supports. Which is lately standardized at around 1366x768 or 1600x900 or even full-hd (1920x1080) for 90% of them, if you could run any 3D application with 60fps, this should cover all the essential needs for pretty much everyone out there.

And if you want to run higher resolution monitors with ultimate game settings, you are going to use a dedicated graphics card anyway, no matter how good integrated cards are .

Is there a sight probability of Intel to deliver IGP-capable Xeon, which graphics core(s) can be combined in SLI-way on 2- or 4- socket mainboards?
I understand this might sound unrealistic, but currently nvidia support of SLI is completely unoptimized, and AMD crossfire are N+1 pass-throughs.

yes amd will always be 1 generation ahead. but haswel will be a mega step forward. they are almost only focusing on the gpu.
while ivy bridge gives ca 20-50% performance boost, haswell is going to add 50% and more to ivy bridge.

Much more for the GT3 part. The GT3 part comes with 40 EUs, stacked DRAM and possibly further increased IPC. This is a much bigger step than Sandy to Ivy (12 vs 16 EUs). In the mobile segment I wouldn't be surprised if they can close the gap to AMDs Kaveri APU.