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I am still mightily pissed at the eco destroyers that the Nact ecociders are encouraging. Who saw on TV last night the pittiful McKenzie Country farmers dreaming of turning the place green so that they could cut the grass and feed it to cows who live in cages in sheds? Poor bloody cows, they just want to be out and about in a more favourable climate eating grass that is growing on rain water.

These peoples pursuit of profit is outrageously immoral in every way, yet they seek to justify it by co-opting us as suppposed economic beneficiaries. I’m now going to buy only free range dairy…how I dont know but Im looking.

Went on a summer holiday to southland 2 years ago and couldn’t believe the amount of dairy and cattle farming there. It was easily as cold as a Waikato winter – god knows how those animals survive in the winter. Dairying has got crueller in many ways sincer farmers have got greedier. I’ve been buying only free-range beef and sheep meat for a while now. I wish I could stipulate north island beef. The upside is far less meat in my diet.

I found it interesting that John on Campbell live implored the audience to keep on watching a piece on Ecan last night despite how bored they might feel because of the importance of the issues it raised. It was like “we’re going to cover some real news now, but please dont change the channel.”

Shedding cows is not a black and white matter. In the Wairarapa there is one interesting example of a dairy farm that has built a large shed for animal shelter, from which the animals are normally free to move to and fro to open paddocks as they please.

The structure provides protection from wind, sun and the cold.

Any supplementary feed is available in old-fashioned mangers.

The benefits are shown to be:

1. About 20% increased milk production.

2. A big reduction in mastitis and other common health issues.

3. A very relaxed and contented herd that is easy to manage and work with. The shed provides a clean mud-free environment for farm workers and vets to interact with them.

Overall the farmer has expressed delight in the results of his investment. It is of course quite different to the ‘caged up 10 months of the year’ regime proposed by the MacKenzie country crew, and illustrates that animal welfare is a complex matter… it’s not always a straightforward matter of ‘paddock good, barn bad’.

I agree. Dairying is getting grubbier by the day. Unfortunately going free range will not be so easy. According to fonterra separating barn dairy milk from free range will be extremely difficult. Organic will be a safe bet, if barn dairy goes ahead here.

For some reason, our business people are ever eager to kill any goose that threatens to lay a golden egg. Instead of seeing the success of the dairy industry as an economic positive which might inspire further economic developments, they just want a piece of any action that’s going on until there is no action left in it.

A resultant leftover from our recent colonial pioneering history and culture. It not that long ago that all the forests were milled, the fisheries almost nailed, leftover bush burnt for pasture and then erosion. The approach was take take take. Most nobody had any idea of environmental threats. Hard to judge past actions on todays knowledge.

Can’t really blame individuals – it is part of our very recent tradition. It continues today in certain sectors. Say a farm that has stayed in one family for example, if the gradnfather is alive today he was probably involved in burning and draining.

Imo that is where the attitude springs from. However it seems to be changing fast. Farming appears to be the last to embrace the change, no doubt because of the common family structure, traditions and longer term timeframes involved. But they are under pressure and the politics will in the end force them to change faster.

But meantime brutal battles will occur. It is mid-war these very days.

That’s a hopeful assessment vto. My concern is that farms across the NZ countryside will be fully corporatised and run by international businesses, with NZ-based managers flogging the land and animals for all the profit they can get. Eventually most of the country, outside conservation land and cities, could be owned by a handful of absentee landlords. It’s potentially only a few legislative changes away.

“remember Queen Victoria, the New Zealand Company and Wakefield?” No, I wasn’t born when they were around. But, yes, it has happened before, and I understand the main cause of its demise was legislation (rates and taxes were used to encourage the subdivision of large landholdings??). And with a willing government it could happen again.

You’re right – I wasn’t there either – but my Tupuna were and I don’t believe they were treated all that well. If legislation doesn’t work – or doesn’t happen – perhaps New Zealanders (Maori, Pakeha) may consider the methods employed by Te Kooti, Te Rangihaeata, Te Rauparaha, Ti Tokowaru, Hongi Hika, Hone Heke, Tawhiao Potatau Te Wherowhero, George Washington (US) and so on.

Yes that is the direction it is heading under the current govt but imo they are going against the grain of the wider population.

You raise another area where my own politics sit to the left – that of foreign ownership of land. It must be stopped. NZers cannot compete with the northern hemisphere capital for our own land and why should we? In addition it is abundantly clear to anyone with an understanding of human history that a tenant community is a weak community.

Labour last time under Clark seemed to be aiming to be the new natural party of govt, taking the mantle off National. Well It may not have happened then but I think a significant move in that direction was made and I suspect that by the end of the decade that wish may well come true. Or something along those lines. General populace politics is slowly moving ‘left’ in NZ imo. Hopefully such politics will embrace these issues and we will end up with a strong community that is prosperous and living in a lush environment.

gobsmacked Priceless. A very good link to keep for the variety and I guess they will be adding new gems. By the way do people watch Auto Tunes. We need a bit of a laugh occasionally in between watching the political drivers who rarely seem to get past their learners licence.

Because that is what it is. ANZAC day is the perpetuation not of the grief felt for those who died in Gallipoli but a celebration of a Nation proud to be part of an Empire even if that empire collapsed ages ago. It is the celebration of a Nation basing it’s value not on being independent and proud of it but one in submission to a queen in a far away land and eager to send more young men to die for wars in far away lands.

Good news but irrelavent. Those great people who have been showing off bypronouncing the volcano as Eyjafjallajokull is actually the glacier under the volcano Eyjafjoell, which is much easier to say. 🙂

Minister for Veterans Affairs Judith Collins rides forth on her high horse to take a shot at peace activists purveying white poppies. Oh horror the vips (very inferior people) are at it again, trying to do something beyond the status quo.

I attend a mid-morning service each Anzac Day and it follows the same routine with the same words, seeming merely a form to remember the dead with no life in the ritual. We could hear a 3 minute briefing from someone in the peace movement, or the aid contingent, or the anti-nuclear activists which would honour our dead in a real way by saying ‘We are carrying on the fight for a better world’. But nothing changes – we can’t do anything different and relevant to now.

Besides thinking of the reason for the white poppies initiative, we should take a wee space of time to think of the White Rose Resistance group that attempted to stop the spread of dreadfulness that was under way in Germany. Many German people were cowed under the crushing regime that started in the 1930’s. The White Rose group was I think mainly students. More about them on Wikipedia. Wikipedia heading note – Fritz Scholl (22 September 1918 22 February 1943) was a core and founding member of the White Rose resistance movement in Nazi Germany . …

And the RSA chappie this morning’s radio seemed very reasonable with the line that, “We fought to protect the freedom of speech and so be it for the White Rose group. Although we might have preferred that they were not on Anzac Day.”

The RSA spokesperson this morning made a very good impression – thoughtful and reasonable.

This morning also was the last meeting of the Canterbury ECAN board. Some councillors were weeping, some in black, some carried a coffin representing dead democracy. They finished the meeting abruptly, what was the use of discussing points on the agenda – they would have no weight.

I wonder if this sort of takeover of an established body was how Hitler and his buddies got established. The little so and so got into politics and worked his way up to Chancellor before he took on the role of World Enslaver. He was able to talk his way to his aims, coupled with some eager thugs, and I wonder is plain-speaking, confident, plausible Rodney Hide in similar mould?

Yes I notice that every time the right gets in they don’t just want to govern, they want to overturn previously established systems and insert their own. It makes for at the least an unsettled democracy, and I don’t agree with left and right automatically nay-saying the other party.

I’ve seen a naive but determined committee, when they took over running an organisation, wreck it. Previous decisions, and the reasons for them, and even the good of the group, doesn’t matter, only the brave, new way they have decided to impose.

Problem is when the opposition acquiesces to the imposition of whatever new regime because they hold the ‘good of the group’ (read ‘stability and continuity’) as prime considerations. Meaning that they will not add to any turbulence being unleashed by the new kids on the block, but rather, believe that by tacitly cooperating with the new kids, that turbulence will be minimised and stability and continuity restored… which is good for the group/society

But it’s not.

It means in the context of our social democracy that everything drifts inexorably to the corporate right…the ones prepared to unleash mayhem; the ones prepared to slash and burn society and institutional mores simply so their ideology breathes easier. When the opposition assumes power again it will not tear down the nonsense created by the erstwhile new kids, but will institute only gradual reversals for the sake of continuity and stability.

Yeah, yeah Bill. That was (seemed) a good argument till you came along. The problem is that the incumbents shouldn’t be upsetting all the established systems so that the opposition has to remake everything again.

Rome wasn’t built in a day is the saying. But with our politicians it would never have consisted of more than a few columns and a lot of bricks.Bit like the present ruins. But oh those were grand days in past Rome. NZ will likely never have grand days again to look back on with our bifurcated (new word) bunch.

Fuck me they have some massive powers. Seems that when Bainimarama, I mean Key, finally lets us have elections again the people will have to vote in people to reverse the commissars actions (presuming they get out of line with the Canterbury public).

Good question. I gather that part of the rates due include a portion for Ecan. Some are with-hold that portion in protest and a trust account is being set up. For each or a group I don’t know. The $900 per day and $1400 per day for the Chair plus powers that the old committee asked for but were denied. Roll on the stripping of the waterways.

Interesting that none of the present councillors, though some shortlisted, were ‘good enough’. The problem seems to be that they were often split on decision making. Answer – sack them and put in like-minded people who will walk as sweetly as line dancers with their ankles tied together. Mind you give them a push….

What would be the point if all on a committee were unanimous? Under Parkinson’s Law 7 should be the ideal number on a committee or 9 at the most. 15 as Ecan was, created problems because factions build up.

Of course an ideal committe would be Smith alone. He would always have a quorum and seldom would he have serious arguement with himself. “Those in favour? Come on there Mr Smith. In favour? Yes Mr Smith. You are right again Mr Smith. Aye Mr Smith. Motion carried unanimously Mr Smith!”

Long ago part of one of my courses was devoted to group decision making and it said that there was an ideal number for a viable effective committee. Like what you have just said Ianmac. I think that it also said that having too many in the group over the ideal became unwieldy. Shame if that fact has led to ECANs demise.

I was going through some of my father’s old things recently and came across a Jubilee Magazine for Queen Victoria. What I thought was most interesting was the lovely drawings of children working in the coal mines. They were there just matter of factly, a simple depiction of life as it was – something they were clearly proud enough of, or blase enough about, to put in such an important publication.

Obviously going back to those days is a good option:

Mine for your country, save money in education spending.

I can’t believe that we heading back to the days of vilifying people who don’t want to do a shitty, filthy, dangerous job like mining.

Much better solution is to stick bankers and share-brokers and loan-sharks and real-estate agents in there to do it. Apparently they are highly valued important people with much needed skills.

Apparently mining is the most important work you can do for your country.

Why did Peace Movement Aotearoa choose to sell its white poppies in the lead-up to Anzac Day? Pure and simple – it wanted to “cash in’ on the decades of good RSA red poppy day publicity. PMA decided in 2008 to deliberately move to the Anzac period there can be no disguising its intent. It’s no wonder NZers are angry! It should return its white poppy selling to its original position on Hiroshima Day and go the long haul to make the day its own, not try and piggyback on the blood, sweat and lives of our servicemen and women.

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Farmers and investors will need to be patient with Fonterra Cooperative Group's overhaul of its business, which sometime-critic First NZ Capital analyst Arie Dekker says is moving in the right direction. ...

Armed police bedecked with flowers amid heightened national security following the Christchurch mosque attacks last Friday. Traditionazlly, New Zealand police are unarmed. Image: Sulzy/Twitter By RNZ News Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern today announced a New Zealand ban on all ...

The government’s language so far is imprecise and it must word its ban carefully to stand up against a ferocious lobby from pro-gun groups.New Zealand lawmakers will need to write the law banning semi-automatic weapons so that it can’t be ...

Twenty years ago – before Instagram – a game about documenting your every move was released. That game was Pokémon Snap.The year was 1999. Hilary Swank was playing Brandon Teena, something that would now absolutely not be allowed. Troye Sivan was basically a fetus, ...

Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Dodd, Director of the Centre for Advancing Journalism, University of Melbourne When Judge Peter Kidd sentenced Cardinal George Pell last week, it was broadcast live on radio and television. It was ...

To mark the launch of the Helen Clark Foundation’s first report, its executive director Katherine Errington writes about New Zealand’s potential to become a ‘green’ hydrogen exporter.Much has been written about hydrogen of late, debating its place in the transition ...

Literal fake news is fuelling attempts to divide New Zealand’s religious communities, writes Aaron Hendry, an Auckland youth worker and Christian.In the wake of Friday’s horrific attack there is no doubt that New Zealand has changed. But perhaps one of ...

Political Roundup: Playing the Christchurch terrorism blame-game is dangerous by Dr Bryce Edwards Dr Bryce Edwards.Jacinda Ardern has led the way in how she’s responded to the Christchurch terrorist atrocity. The prime minister has emphasised the need to come ...

Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jane Kotzmann, Lecturer in Law, Deakin University Your lipstick and foundation will be less likely to come at the expense of animal welfare, thanks to Commonwealth legislation that passed in recent weeks. ...

PGG Wrightson’s largest shareholder Alan Lai and his company Agria have been fined $220,000 and ordered to pay another $30,000 in costs by the High Court for breaching good character conditions imposed by the Overseas Investment Office. ...

The fifth work in Yona Lee’s In Transit series is currently exhibiting at Wellington’s City Gallery. Megan Dunn writes on the aspirations of the piece and how comfortably it sits in a gallery context.On a Sunday afternoon I opened my laptop and ...

New Zealand’s economy grew less than the central bank expected in the fourth quarter but economists don't expect the data to spur any change in the Reserve Bank's message at next week's policy review. ...

The sudden closure of Wellington’s Central Library was a shock to residents in the capital. Gem Wilder reflects on her love for the library and her hopes for its future.I received the news via the Wellington City Council twitter account, ...

Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrea Rassell, Nanoartist and creative-practice based researcher in Media, RMIT University As an experimental video-maker working at scales smaller than molecules, I surround myself in a variety of scientific visualisations. In reading ...

How dare our national airline continue to brand itself with Indigenous symbols while rejecting employees who wear those same symbols on their bodies, writes Leonie Pihama.As I sit at a conference on the island of Maui, I see tā moko ...

The removal of extremist content alone isn’t going to solve the problem of right-wing terrorism. Instead, we need to harness new technology to find such individuals early and intervene.Last week, 50 lives in Christchurch were lost in another act of ...

The PM has confirmed an inquiry will be held into the circumstances leading up to the Christchurch terrorist attacks. Alex Braae asks they will have to look into.In the wake of the terrorist attack in Christchurch, questions are being raised ...

Newsletter: New Zealand Politics Daily – March 21 2019Editor’s Note: Here below is a list of the main issues currently under discussion in New Zealand and links to media coverage. The Beehive and Parliament Buildings.Today’s contentChristchurch mosque shootings ...

The pending announcement of the Sunwolves’ exit from Super Rugby points to a collective agreement from the SANZAAR unions that the Nations Championship is the future. However, trickle-down economics may be a hard sell for their constituents. The dollars are ...

This Race Relations Day, we call on all New Zealanders to take time out of their day to reflect. To stand united in mourning with victims of Christchurch, write Pancha Narayanan president of Multicultural New Zealand, and Paul Hunt, the chief ...