tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post5189686867151419746..comments2018-02-21T20:06:58.874-05:00Comments on Gurney Journey: Art Opinions of IngresJames Gurneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-49891108813439919142008-12-11T10:18:00.000-05:002008-12-11T10:18:00.000-05:00Good point Thomas.Good point Thomas.Erik Bongershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409523352634066030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-20600531060732352212008-12-11T07:52:00.000-05:002008-12-11T07:52:00.000-05:00The worst thing about Ingres was his teaching, I g...The worst thing about Ingres was his teaching, I guess, except for Theodore Chassériau (that he discredited later ). He was teaching to be so careful with color that all of his pupils (that he name "my children", except for Chasseriau again) ended up doing grey "dull" paintings (on the color POV of course).<BR/>So what does it say about his quotes? Can we really take advice from those quotes? I guess this is like some of Sargent's opinions that are not very "good teaching quotes".<BR/>To end up I would like to talk about the things artists say about themselves, or their work. Ingres was not aware that he was making such revolutionnary paintings. He truly believed (well maybe not so much at the end of his life though) that he was the most classical painter ever.<BR/>Believing what an artist say about his art, or about art in general, is very tricky and we should always be careful with it, I guess that is my point.Thomas Brissothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04788517626128418894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-54537818379206037342008-12-10T23:50:00.000-05:002008-12-10T23:50:00.000-05:00In that quote about the model.... he is telling yo...In that quote about the model.... he is telling you to go to the model. Nothing can be achieved without it. I hate picking apart art quotes. They make me think a little too much.Joe Salamidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02973913437933056948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14689747747450678272008-12-10T22:24:00.000-05:002008-12-10T22:24:00.000-05:00It's funny--but I picked 9 and 5, too--just seemed...It's funny--but I picked 9 and 5, too--just seemed he might say them to fill the lull in a conversatiion...winnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11855761611456521141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-66463601962646313042008-12-10T21:09:00.000-05:002008-12-10T21:09:00.000-05:00its funny that so many posting here who didnt want...its funny that so many posting here who didnt want to credit 5 to Ingres because of the use of the model. While he did use a model, his figures were subject to his whims, not the model's anatomy. His women were extra squishy and bent in ways that wouldn't allow them to stand up. Just look at his Grande Odalisque! This was truly typical of his style. Also, someone mentioned Olympia (which is painted by <B>Manet</B>, not Ingres). I think his point was not that one shouldn't use a model, but his "charming and naive style" allowed him to disregard her <I>true</I> form and create what he envisioned.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07633742886501139050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-46634375354569578102008-12-10T18:51:00.000-05:002008-12-10T18:51:00.000-05:00Hey Jim, I am now after all these years a big beli...Hey Jim,<BR/><BR/> I am now after all these years a big believer of #4. N.C Wyeth said in so many words that you end up exposing who you are in your artwork.<BR/><BR/> I like what Emile Gruppe said,...<BR/><BR/>"You paint the way you're made.And the viewer, is interested because he senses your mind and emotions at work"<BR/><BR/> My sense is that Ingre was pretty tightly wound....;v)<BR/><BR/> I must tell you that I found you after doing a search on Ivan Kramskoi, my current favorite portrait artist. It took me to a page written by Lines and Colors and I saw a comment by you!<BR/><BR/>blessings broFrank Ordazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853491825832197697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-30967942604508348082008-12-10T15:00:00.000-05:002008-12-10T15:00:00.000-05:00Jason, you've got it! 4 and 7 are the answers. You...Jason, you've got it! 4 and 7 are the answers. You're right that #7 is from –Odilon Redon, from his writing "A soi-meme." <BR/><BR/>#4 is from Emile Zola, Essay on Present Day Art.<BR/><BR/>The second half of Ingres's quote about use of models was this: "...your model is never the thing you want to paint, neither in character of drawing nor in coloring; but at the same time, it is absolutely necessary to do nothing without the model..."<BR/><BR/>My source book was "From the Classicists to the Impressionists: Art and Architecture in the Nineteenth Century," edited by E.G. Holt, 1966.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for everyone who tossed in a comment. I'm going away wanting to learn more about Ingres; his ideas were pretty challenging.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-78030399774792290072008-12-10T14:49:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:49:00.000-05:00And Further more, If Im correct#4. would of been s...And Further more, If Im correct<BR/><BR/>#4. would of been said by Peter Von Cornelius.<BR/><BR/>And # 7. would be Odilon Redon<BR/><BR/>Best JasonJasons-Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-14662678469823561702008-12-10T14:42:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:42:00.000-05:00James, I do believe I have it now, The answers mus...James,<BR/><BR/> I do believe I have it now, The answers must be 4 and 7<BR/><BR/>Best JasonJasons-Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-2269753506257057442008-12-10T14:12:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:12:00.000-05:00Ok He did say number 9, so Im now guessing 4 and 1...Ok He did say number 9, so Im now guessing 4 and 10, I shall return after more reading.<BR/><BR/>Best JasonJasons-Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-30755348850727893822008-12-10T14:07:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:07:00.000-05:00Oh, maybe it's #1 and #8?Glad your putting up the ...Oh, maybe it's #1 and #8?<BR/><BR/>Glad your putting up the answers tomorrow!Josephinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122275633866201135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-15382643226019220142008-12-10T14:01:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:01:00.000-05:00Hi James, I have in my library a book by Elizabeth...Hi James, <BR/><BR/>I have in my library a book by Elizabeth Gilmore Holt, From the Classicists to the Impressionists. <BR/><BR/>Nearly all of these quotes can be found there. Ive read the book several times. Ingres is discussed. That&#39;s why this seems very tricky to me. I can say with assurance that 1,2,&amp;,3 are all Ingres. 4 could be, that one is tuff. I believe 5,6,7,8, all to be true. 9, and 10 well I&#39;ll just have to wait and see. <BR/><BR/>You have me intrigued. Im going to reread the the chapter on Ingres tonight, I cant wait to see the results.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely, JasonJasons-Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-66993608982868801562008-12-10T13:38:00.000-05:002008-12-10T13:38:00.000-05:00Ah Ingres (who's name is not at all pronounced as ...Ah Ingres (who's name is not at all pronounced as it is spelled.)<BR/><BR/>I have a friend who loves him to no end (and feels thusly that he must hate Sargent, I don't get it.)<BR/><BR/>He was a strong proponent of line being the key element of art right? In many ways I like his drawings more than his paintings.<BR/><BR/>And as I recall he did believe that Anatomy was for the dead.Stephen James.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04729750229032513596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-86098565591873379982008-12-10T13:29:00.000-05:002008-12-10T13:29:00.000-05:00Great quiz James. I'd go for 1 because naivety an...Great quiz James. I'd go for 1 because naivety and ignorance seem to be furthest from his style and 7 because he's famous for his distortions of form.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04583578728557307550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-18553522562183315102008-12-10T12:44:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:44:00.000-05:00I'm going with 1 and 3. If only they had been pos...I'm going with 1 and 3. If only they had been posted in the original French. I'm sure they lose something in translation.dthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09904538393009916708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-4061760156284056022008-12-10T12:39:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:39:00.000-05:00#3 and #8.3 because it just doesn't feel like him,...#3 and #8.<BR/>3 because it just doesn't feel like him, and 8 because he said "80% of a painting is drawing" (which is not exactly the same statement).<BR/>Actually all quotes could be wrong or right, it's a really hard quizzThomas Brissothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04788517626128418894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-62709207220079786572008-12-10T12:14:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:14:00.000-05:00Possibly 6 and 9. Did people say "I don't give a f...Possibly 6 and 9. Did people say "I don't give a fig" or the equivalent in French in the first half of the 19th century?Michelle Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464453493835761594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-25535844231776824992008-12-10T12:01:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:01:00.000-05:00#6 and #9. I agree with both. Anatomy is much hard...#6 and #9. I agree with both. Anatomy is much harder than it looks (an understatement, but still).Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13141514622593774503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-48908505022897697932008-12-10T11:51:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:51:00.000-05:00Wild guesses.6. Anatomy is a dreadful science.9. P...Wild guesses.<BR/><BR/>6. Anatomy is a dreadful science.<BR/><BR/>9. People want paintings they can walk around in. I don't give a fig for that.<BR/><BR/>They are just the funniest remarks to me.<BR/>I really have no clue.Erik Bongershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409523352634066030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-68317711818501089242008-12-10T11:50:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:50:00.000-05:00I'll say up front that this is a hard one. You all...I'll say up front that this is a hard one. You all have reasonable guesses, but no single person has guessed both of the two alien quotes yet.<BR/><BR/>Some of Ingres' actual quotes are a bit out of context, so when I give the answers tomorrow, I'll try to give Ingres his due.James Gurneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870848001990898499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-22218315305925963972008-12-10T11:44:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:44:00.000-05:00What a great idea! I have opinions, but only base...What a great idea! I have opinions, but only based on wild guesses!<BR/><BR/>I was looking into Ingres' drawing style, and he is quite the artist. When you give us the answer, sensei, perhaps you might recommend some reading on the old boy, too.Casey Klahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020906666248399435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-68687055939107967442008-12-10T11:05:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:05:00.000-05:00I say 3 and 7, because they seem rather obvious. I...I say 3 and 7, because they seem rather obvious. I love this quote though, whoever said it. "You must completely realize that your model is never the thing you wish to paint."Kathy Hodgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06103183122102023675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-29823141638062013472008-12-10T11:04:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:04:00.000-05:00James, Im going to have to say 4. I'm not sure Ing...James, <BR/><BR/>Im going to have to say <BR/><BR/>4. I'm not sure Ingres actually says this. Although it does sound like him a bit.<BR/><BR/>9.Ive read allot about Ingres and so far, Ive not come across this in my notes.<BR/> <BR/>10.This ones a bit confusing, I have in my notes that Ingres does tell his students to copy the old masters, and not just sketches. <BR/><BR/>I know they cant all be right but Im unsure about one. <BR/><BR/>Best JasonJasons-Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851518051471565619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-62723118355039500622008-12-10T11:00:00.000-05:002008-12-10T11:00:00.000-05:00Hi Mr. Gurney,I've been following your blog for ag...Hi Mr. Gurney,<BR/><BR/>I've been following your blog for ages and really appreciate your regularly updating with such great content! I'm tempted to choose 1 and 5 here as the exceptions—for 1, I don't think many of his paintings are "charming" or "naive"...(i.e. Zeus and Thetis or Olympia), and for 5, I'm pretty sure one of the aspects of Olympia was how she was based on a model that many viewers at his time recognized.Marahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09970636733575627881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999230124118604245.post-41537618923388138992008-12-10T10:56:00.000-05:002008-12-10T10:56:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.projo.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08382942838866471442noreply@blogger.com