So maybe Neides isn't just angling for a job with foodbabe.com or Mercola's scam operation.Maybe he's angling for a Trump administration appointment - CDC director? - after he gets fired from Cleveland Clinic tomorrow.

"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

So maybe Neides isn't just angling for a job with foodbabe.com or Mercola's scam operation.Maybe he's angling for a Trump administration appointment - CDC director? - after he gets fired from Cleveland Clinic tomorrow.

It's a terrible article by any metric. I mean, it's hard to believe the guy had any kind of academic training at all, let alone a medical training. It's chock full of non sequiturs, sweeping, meaningless generalisations, and unsupported claims. Even if you didn't know any facts at all, you could tell it was bullshit.

That's essentially what the author (Voxrat's new witch burning target) in the article is saying as well.

... "substance", in that you are making a falsifiable claim. So I'll respond.

No, that is definitely NOT what he is saying, "essentially" or otherwise. Nowhere in the article does he say anything that could be remotely construed as anyone "fucking with our immune systems", or "lying about it".

The article is about alleged effects of alleged "toxins". The only, tangential, connection with immune system disorders is in his mention in passing (with no support whatsoever) of unspecified "auto-immune diseases" among a litany of other problems hand-wavily attributed to unspecified "toxins" - no connection with any specific vaccine or vaccines in general.

In fact he admits that - as far as immunity goes - vaccines do what they are supposed to

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Some of the vaccines have helped reduce the incidence of childhood communicable diseases, like meningitis and pneumonia. That is great news. ...So let me be clear - vaccines can be helpful when used properly.

You claim to have read the guy's article, but you appear not to even have Hawkinzed it.And you have the temerity to accuse meepmeep of being a "fucking liar" for "misrepresenting" it.

God created my immune system and the immune systems of my kids and grandkids.

Stop fucking with our immune systems and lying about it.

Content-free bluster.

What did meppmeep misrepresent? Your silence says "nothing".

Well first of all, she claimed that he wrote "thimerosol = death" and "formaldehyde = death"

But he did not write that.

A lie.

So the above are not Practical Simplifications, or whatever the hell you call it when YOU do it?

Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

It appears that this doctor is simply "seeking to falsify" some parts of Holy Vaccine Dogma ... which constitutes good science

But tarring and feathering him with lies is bad science .... or ALT science

Oh-oh. I see no mention of "Omigod .... someone said something negative about vaccines" in any post by anyone else in this thread. And yet, here it is, in quotes.

I guess that makes you a fucking liar then, dave.

RIGHT?

Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

Well, no, because his article is about vaccines and "toxins" and contains the usual bingo cards for formaldehyde and mercury, and feeling a bit poorly after having a flu shot (rather than actually going down with the actual flu, which knocks you out for more than a couple of days) rather than being about windows.

So I ask again. How long do you think you'd keep your job if you made comparable statements about double glazing?

And yeah ... feel free to move my posts ... tyrants all through history have silenced their critics

Has anyone suggested this? Or are you just feeding into your own persecution/martyr fantasy?

I should add, suggested moving them, and only them (Bluffy's) solely because of their content rather than as Vox suggested, moving that entire discussion to a new thread, as this was clogging up this one as a distraction.

But not at the expense of neurologic diseases like autism and ADHD increasing at alarming rates.

When I was in medical school in the late 1980s, the rate of autism was 1 in 1,000 children. For those born in the 1950's and 60's, do you recall a single student in your grade with an Individualized Education Program (IEP) for ADHD or someone with a diagnosis of autism? I do not.

As of 2010, the rate of autism in the U.S. escalated to 1 in 68 children. The deniers will simply state that we do a better job of diagnosing this "disorder". Really?

No. There are at least two diagnostic factors at work - rate of detection, and changes in diagnostic criteria. For instance changes in the DSM have reflected the recognition that autism is a spectrum disorder, and that it makes sense to include children with less severe forms in the diagnostic category. The DSM5 actually abolishes the distinction between "Asperger's Syndrome" and "High Functioning Autism" as it turns out there was no robust distinction between the two.

So maybe Neides isn't just angling for a job with foodbabe.com or Mercola's scam operation.Maybe he's angling for a Trump administration appointment - CDC director? - after he gets fired from Cleveland Clinic tomorrow.

It's a terrible article by any metric. I mean, it's hard to believe the guy had any kind of academic training at all, let alone a medical training. It's chock full of non sequiturs, sweeping, meaningless generalisations, and unsupported claims. Even if you didn't know any facts at all, you could tell it was bullshit.

I don't know why, but medical doctors have a weird tendency for being spectacularly ignorant people.

Eta: I should have qualified that although I am not sure what the qualification should be. Maybe I'm sure some of them are good people? I have also known very knowledgeable Dr's though they haven't exactly been a majority.

Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 10:24:22 AM by Testy Calibrate

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So maybe Neides isn't just angling for a job with foodbabe.com or Mercola's scam operation.Maybe he's angling for a Trump administration appointment - CDC director? - after he gets fired from Cleveland Clinic tomorrow.

It's a terrible article by any metric. I mean, it's hard to believe the guy had any kind of academic training at all, let alone a medical training. It's chock full of non sequiturs, sweeping, meaningless generalisations, and unsupported claims. Even if you didn't know any facts at all, you could tell it was bullshit.

I don't know why, but medical doctors have a weird tendency for being spectacularly ignorant people.