No, but you are making things up about me because I definitely did not do any of those things. But it seems when the propaganda train arrives, it never really leaves. And you know what the funny thing is, I would just have to link to it so people can read for themselves.

I didn't defend child porn, I didn't "mock women afraid of rape."

You can thank ShadowCell for all of the people who will inevitably take your side now, right? Unless we're right (and we've done this before, and we are right), in which case you should just leave and never come back.

... let's wait and see!_________________"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I値l do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

For FSM's sake I want Guest to read through the archives of http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/ and tell me that women don't have it worse off. Don't worry, there's still ones from men and a lot are actually gender-neutral. Actually I basically recommend everyone read it so they can see why BMI is bullshit and the sort of crap fat people have to put up with just for being fat and all the misconceptions surrounding it.

Height is also correlated to wage and I think that's an often-overlooked prejudice. http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2002/03/short_changed.html This isn't a perfect source, because it basically says that it thinks that the whole reason for the prejudice is that short people don't have as much self esteem and so don't get out there as much or something. If you can get over the fact that the guy running this blog http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com takes himself a little too seriously and perhaps complains a bit much about women not liking short men, he does have some good points.

As someone who's dealt with people constantly commenting on my size and deciding it was an invitation to list off their favorite exercise tips and what foods to avoid (often while I'm trying to eat said foods), I don't really see it as something that specifically targets women. I mean, women are expected to be thin, but on the flip side, guys are expected to be ripped and have a 6-pack.

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hahahahah no they aren't

Tell that to the people who called me a fat fuck on a daily basis for a solid 5 years, and only stopped in senior year because they were scared of me at that point.

Height is also correlated to wage and I think that's an often-overlooked prejudice. http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2002/03/short_changed.html This isn't a perfect source, because it basically says that it thinks that the whole reason for the prejudice is that short people don't have as much self esteem and so don't get out there as much or something. If you can get over the fact that the guy running this blog http://thesocialcomplex.tumblr.com takes himself a little too seriously and perhaps complains a bit much about women not liking short men, he does have some good points.

No, height is definitely correlated with a lot of benefits. Malcolm Gladwell refers to this in Blink when discussing the Warren Harding error. That's why the authors of this study controlled for it. That is, they used statistics to make sure the effect was present at differing heights (there's a big table that shows the correlation of height to income)._________________"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I値l do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

Dogen, yeah I wasn't saying that they didn't control for it, it was more a spin-off. Basically height discrimination makes me sad because I'm really short

I was thinking, the stereotypes of a big (successful) businessman is often a fat man, whereas a successful business women is usually imagined to be extremely thin, wearing heels, makeup etc. So a large man with a high-up position isn't really that challenging, but since people practically never conceive of big women being successful in that way they will tend to discriminate because she "doesn't look right for the job".

. So a large man with a high-up position isn't really that challenging, but since people practically never conceive of big women being successful in that way they will tend to discriminate because she "doesn't look right for the job".

I dare say that feminine rotundity is disadvantagous, if it causes women to be passed over for promotion, to have their work valued less than the work presented by the cutely slender, and so on. Still, as a small point of utility, though not making up for the misfortune, there are situations in the business world where it can be advantageous to be underestimated.

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I work with a woman who is 6 feet tall and I was talking to her about it kind of off the cuff - kind of a "is it hard to find pants that fit?" thing - and she said, "Yeah, pants, shoes... dates." Apparently guys are intimidated by her and it makes a lot of typical social situations awkward (she mentioned dancing).

Random segue about societal opinions of proper height for the two genders... at least that one is genetic, though._________________"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I値l do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

Despite that, there are situations in the business world where it can be advantageous to be underestimated.

This seems like a general maxim, and we all know what Lord Macaulay said about general maxims.

Can you turn it into a specific point?_________________"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I値l do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

Despite that, there are situations in the business world where it can be advantageous to be underestimated.

This seems like a general maxim, and we all know what Lord Macaulay said about general maxims.

Can you turn it into a specific point?

People are often careless when dealing with someone whom they think is disorganised, unintelligent, or weak-willed, for they feel superior to them. Stoutness can suggest all of these traits to someone possessing the common prejudice against such things.

A slender, attractive woman can pretend to be a ditz, and has the added weapon of her beauty. An obese woman can also play on her appearance, so that she is more underestimated than she would otherwise have been. I merely suggest that a bit of acting - whether to make beauty seem an empty shell, or to make stoutness reflect a similar heavy-dullness of mind - can disguise a negotiator痴 capacity for doing the unexpected, or the fact that she is ambitious and willing to exploit things casually shown to someone thought unimaginative.

Not everyone is capable of using such tactics. Nor might they wish to use them, given that they involve duplicity, and are only appropriate for some areas of the business world.

Ooookay. Not really turning it into a point, just expanding on the maxim. People can sometimes turn weaknesses into strengths. Yes._________________"Worse comes to worst, my people come first, but my tribe lives on every country on earth. I値l do anything to protect them from hurt, the human race is what I serve." - Baba Brinkman

Merest is probably my favourite poster that is most likely a robot that runs on a paste made if the brains of community college literature professors. Arthain is close, but I still think you're the best.

Fritter I'm sorry you got made fun of, I got bullied all through school as well even though I'm slim and beautiful. I just feel that the sort of body shame men and boys cop vs what women and girls cop are not that comparable. I do know of young men who developed and suffered eating disorders, but the sheer numbers if girls and women who suffer real and debilitating disorders directly related to body shaming is just horrific.

I know Guest has taken what you were saying and is using it for his own goofy means. You can't compare oppression over Body weight vs oppression over gender. It's like when Revenge of the Nerds compared need oppression to black oppression._________________Once, at a local NOW meeting where I was the only male among about a dozen women, a feminism trivia contest was held. I came in third.

Also been without home Internet for a few weeks so sorry if everything I'm saying is even more mangled than usual.

To preempt your question, Guest, I come from the country where we don't defend child porn. Thanks for asking!_________________Once, at a local NOW meeting where I was the only male among about a dozen women, a feminism trivia contest was held. I came in third.

Fritter I'm sorry you got made fun of, I got bullied all through school as well even though I'm slim and beautiful. I just feel that the sort of body shame men and boys cop vs what women and girls cop are not that comparable. I do know of young men who developed and suffered eating disorders, but the sheer numbers if girls and women who suffer real and debilitating disorders directly related to body shaming is just horrific.

Reasonable response that I can agree with. I guess it's hard to keep an objective view of the matter when it has personally affected you.