I installed and then removed kdebase. it required quite a few dependencies, so I ended up with 160 MB of additional stuff on my HD. Than I removed it, but slapt-get removed only 110 MB, and that's no good b/c I have less than 350 MB left on my root partition, and it sometimes makes me really nervous...After removing KDE the true fun begun - it comepletely messed up my login screen:it make it look... well...it's hard to explain... the whole preytyness of Bela is gone now, it's grey and white, with black background, instead of root image there is a list of some login options(no budulay one, though) that I see for a first time...Also whole /usr/share/config folder is empty.But the worst thing is that I couldn't normally login - when I type username and password and push login button to login into LXDE, it gives me xterm on black screen and nothing more... I had to type startlxde to get to my desktop...Do you have any suggestions beside reinstalling VL, b/c I really don't want to do it...Thanks in advance.

it required quite a few dependencies, so I ended up with 160 MB of additional stuff on my HD. Than I removed it, but slapt-get removed only 110 MB

The main reason for that, I think, is that the downloaded packages are in your system (inside /home/ftp/). You can delete those that you don't want. That's a package cache, so that if you want to install them after removing, gslapt does not have to download them.

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it make it look... well...it's hard to explain... the whole preytyness of Bela is gone now, it's grey and white, with black background, instead of root image there is a list of some login options(no budulay one, though) that I see for a first time...

I suspect that is the xdm login manager. Not kdm as you had before. Removing kdebase made kdm go away as well.

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But the worst thing is that I couldn't normally login - when I type username and password and push login button to login into LXDE, it gives me xterm on black screen and nothing more... I had to type startlxde to get to my desktop...

Are there any login options around that allow you to choose the window manager that you want to use? When you're logging in it's going to some other very simple window manager... there should be a way of selecting LXDE.

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Do you have any suggestions beside reinstalling VL, b/c I really don't want to do it...

By default, VL ships with kdm-small, which gives you kdm but not much more than that. kdebase is... the base of kde, that contains kdm. I'm not sure the kdm-small package is in the repos, though. If it is, install it and you should be fine. If it isn't, then maybe you can somehow extract it from the VL cd. Other than that, I guess the only option is to go for kdebase.

I'm sorry that my "solutions" seem to be getting you into more trouble.

# KDM master configuration file## Definition: the greeter is the login dialog, i.e., the part of KDM# which the user sees.## You can configure every X-display individually.# Every display has a display name, which consists of a host name# (which is empty for local displays specified in {Static|Reserve}Servers),# a colon, and a display number. Additionally, a display belongs to a# display class (which can be ignored in most cases; the control center# does not support this feature at all).# Sections with display-specific settings have the formal syntax# "[X-" host [":" number [ "_" class ]] "-" sub-section "]"# You can use the "*" wildcard for host, number, and class. You may omit# trailing components; they are assumed to be "*" then.# The host part may be a domain specification like ".inf.tu-dresden.de".# It may also be "+", which means non-empty, i.e. remote displays only.# From which section a setting is actually taken is determined by these# rules:# - an exact match takes precedence over a partial match (for the host part),# which in turn takes precedence over a wildcard ("+" taking precedence# over "*")# - precedence decreases from left to right for equally exact matches# Example: display name "myhost:0", class "dpy".# [X-myhost:0_dpy] precedes# [X-myhost:0_*] (same as [X-myhost:0]) precedes# [X-myhost:*_dpy] precedes# [X-myhost:*_*] (same as [X-myhost]) precedes# [X-+:0_dpy] precedes# [X-*:0_dpy] precedes# [X-*:0_*] (same as [X-*:0]) precedes# [X-*:*_*] (same as [X-*])# These sections do NOT match this display:# [X-hishost], [X-myhost:0_dec], [X-*:1], [X-:*]# If a setting is not found in any matching section, the default is used.## Every comment applies to the following section or key. Note that all# comments will be lost if you change this file with the kcontrol frontend.# The defaults refer to KDM's built-in values, not anything set in this file.## Special characters need to be backslash-escaped (leading and trailing# spaces (\s), tab (\t), linefeed (\n), carriage return (\r) and the# backslash itself (\\)).# In lists, fields are separated with commas without whitespace in between.# Some command strings are subject to simplified sh-style word splitting:# single quotes (') and double quotes (") have the usual meaning; the backslash# quotes everything (not only special characters). Note that the backslashes# need to be doubled because of the two levels of quoting.

[General]# This option exists solely for the purpose of a clean automatic upgrade.# Do not even think about changing it!ConfigVersion=2.3# List of permanent displays. Displays with a hostname are foreign. A display# class may be specified separated by an underscore.# Default is ":0"StaticServers=:0# List of on-demand displays. See StaticServers for syntax.# Default is ""ReserveServers=:1,:2,:3# VTs to allocate to X-servers. A negative number means that the VT will be# used only if it is free. If all VTs in this list are used up, the next free# one greater than the last one in this list will be allocated.# Default is ""ServerVTs=-7# TTYs (without /dev/) to monitor for activity while in console mode.# Default is ""ConsoleTTYs=tty1,tty2,tty3,tty4,tty5,tty6# Where KDM should store its PID (do not store if empty).# Default is ""PidFile=/var/run/xdm.pid# Whether KDM should lock the PID file to prevent having multiple KDM# instances running at once. Do not change unless you are brave.# Default is true#LockPidFile=false# Where to store authorization files.# Default is "/var/run/xauth"#AuthDir=/tmp# Whether KDM should automatically re-read configuration files, if it# finds them having changed.# Default is true#AutoRescan=false# Additional environment variables KDM should pass on to all programs it runs.# LD_LIBRARY_PATH and XCURSOR_THEME are good candidates;# otherwise, it should not be necessary very often.# Default is ""#ExportList=LD_LIBRARY_PATH,ANOTHER_IMPORTANT_VAR# A character device KDM should read entropy from.# Empty means use the system's preferred entropy device.# Default is ""#RandomDevice=/dev/altrandom# Where the command FiFos should be created; make it empty to disable# them.# Default is "/var/run/xdmctl"#FifoDir=/tmp# The group to which the global command FiFo should belong;# can be either a name or a numerical ID.# Default is 0#FifoGroup=xdmctl# The directory in which KDM should store persistent working data.# Default is "/var/lib/kdm"#DataDir=# The directory in which KDM should store users' .dmrc files. This is only# needed if the home directories are not readable before actually logging in# (like with AFS).# Default is ""#DmrcDir=/nfs-shared/var/dmrcs

[Xdmcp]# Whether KDM should listen to incoming XDMCP requests.# Default is trueEnable=false# The UDP port on which KDM should listen for XDMCP requests. Do not change.# Default is 177#Port=177# File with the private keys of X-terminals. Required for XDM authentication.# Default is ""#KeyFile=/usr/share/config/kdm/kdmkeys# XDMCP access control file in the usual XDM-Xaccess format.# Default is "/usr/share/config/kdm/Xaccess"Xaccess=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xaccess# Number of seconds to wait for display to respond after the user has# selected a host from the chooser.# Default is 15#ChoiceTimeout=10# Strip domain name from remote display names if it is equal to the local# domain.# Default is true#RemoveDomainname=false# Use the numeric IP address of the incoming connection on multihomed hosts# instead of the host name.# Default is false#SourceAddress=true# The program which is invoked to dynamically generate replies to XDMCP# DirectQuery or BroadcastQuery requests.# If empty, no program is invoked and "Willing to manage" is sent.# Default is ""Willing=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xwilling

[Shutdown]# The command (subject to word splitting) to run to halt the system.# Default is "/sbin/halt"#HaltCmd=# The command (subject to word splitting) to run to reboot the system.# Default is "/sbin/reboot"#RebootCmd=# Whether it is allowed to shut down the system via the global command FiFo.# Default is false#AllowFifo=true# Whether it is allowed to abort active sessions when shutting down the# system via the global command FiFo.# Default is true#AllowFifoNow=false# The boot manager KDM should use for offering boot options in the# shutdown dialog.# "None" - no boot manager# "Grub" - Grub boot manager# "Lilo" - Lilo boot manager (Linux on i386 &amp; x86-64 only)# Default is NoneBootManager=Lilo

# Core config for all displays[X-*-Core]# How long to wait before retrying to connect a display.# Default is 15#OpenDelay=15# How long to wait before timing out a display connection attempt.# Default is 120#OpenTimeout=120# How many connection attempts to make during a start attempt. Note that# a timeout aborts the entire start attempt.# Default is 5#OpenRepeat=5# Try at most that many times to start a display. If this fails, the display# is disabled.# Default is 4#StartAttempts=4# Ping remote display every that many minutes.# Default is 5#PingInterval=5# Wait for a Pong that many minutes.# Default is 5#PingTimeout=5# The name of this X-server's Xauth file.# If empty, a random name in the AuthDir directory will be used.# Default is ""#AuthFile=# Specify a file with X-resources for the greeter, chooser and background.# The KDE frontend does not use this file, so you do not need it unless you# use another background generator than krootimage.# Default is ""Resources=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xresources# The xrdb program to use to read the above specified recources.# Subject to word splitting.# Default is "/usr/bin/xrdb"#Xrdb=# A program to run before the greeter is shown. Can be used to start an# xconsole or an alternative background generator. Subject to word splitting.# Default is ""Setup=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xsetup# A program to run before a user session starts. Subject to word splitting.# Default is ""Startup=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xstartup# A program to run after a user session exits. Subject to word splitting.# Default is ""Reset=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xreset# The program which is run as the user which logs in. It is supposed to# interpret the session argument (see SessionsDirs) and start an appropriate# session according to it. Subject to word splitting.# Default is "/usr/bin/xterm -ls -T"Session=/usr/share/config/kdm/Xsession# The program to run if Session fails.# Default is "/usr/bin/xterm"#FailsafeClient=# The PATH for the Session program.# Default is "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games"#UserPath=# The PATH for Setup, Startup and Reset, etc.# Default is "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"#SystemPath=# The default system shell.# Default is "/bin/sh"#SystemShell=/bin/bash# Where to put the user's X-server authorization file if ~/.Xauthority# cannot be created.# Default is "/tmp"#UserAuthDir=# Whether to automatically restart sessions after X-server crashes.# Note that enabling this makes circumventing screen lockers other than# KDE's built-in one possible!# Default is false#AutoReLogin=true# Allow root logins?# Default is trueAllowRootLogin=true# Allow to log in, when user has set an empty password?# Default is trueAllowNullPasswd=false# Who is allowed to shut down the system. This applies both to the# greeter and to the command FiFo.# "None" - no "Shutdown..." menu entry is shown at all# "Root" - the root password must be entered to shut down# "All" - everybody can shut down the machine# Default is AllAllowShutdown=Root# Who is allowed to abort active sessions when shutting down.# "None" - no forced shutdown is allowed at all# "Root" - the root password must be entered to shut down forcibly# "All" - everybody can shut down the machine forcibly# Default is All#AllowSdForceNow=Root# The default choice for the shutdown condition/timing.# "Schedule" - shut down after all active sessions exit (possibly at once)# "TryNow" - shut down, if no active sessions are open; otherwise, do nothing# "ForceNow" - shut down unconditionally# Default is Schedule#DefaultSdMode=ForceNow# How to offer shutdown scheduling options:# "Never" - not at all# "Optional" - as a button in the simple shutdown dialogs# "Always" - instead of the simple shutdown dialogs# Default is Never#ScheduledSd=Optional# The directories containing session type definitions in .desktop format.# Default is "/usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions"#SessionsDirs=/etc/X11/sessions,/usr/share/xsessions# The file (relative to $HOME) to redirect the session output to. This is# a printf format string; one %s will be replaced with the display name.# Default is ".xsession-errors"ClientLogFile=.xsession-errors-%s# Whether KDM's built-in utmp/wtmp/lastlog registration should be used.# Default is true#UseSessReg=false# Create X-authorizations for local displays.# Default is trueAuthorize=true

# Greeter config for all displays[X-*-Greeter]# Widget style of the greeter. "" means the built-in default which currently# is "Plastik".# Default is ""#GUIStyle=Windows# Widget color scheme of the greeter. "" means the built-in default which# currently is yellowish grey with some light blue and yellow elements.# Default is ""#ColorScheme=Pumpkin# What should be shown in the greeter's logo are:# "None" - nothing# "Logo" - the image specified by LogoPixmap# "Clock" - a neat analog clock# Default is ClockLogoArea=Logo# The image to show when LogoArea=Logo.# Default is ""LogoPixmap=/usr/share/apps/kdm/pics/kdelogo.png# The relative coordinates (X,Y in percent) of the center of the greeter.# Default is "50,50"#GreeterPos=30,40# The screen the greeter should be displayed on in multi-headed and Xinerama# setups. The numbering starts with 0. For Xinerama, it corresponds to the# listing order in the active ServerLayout section of XF86Config; -1 means# to use the upper-left screen, -2 means to use the upper-right screen.# Default is 0#GreeterScreen=-1# The headline in the greeter. The following character pairs are replaced:# - %d -> current display# - %h -> host name, possibly with domain name# - %n -> node name, most probably the host name without domain name# - %s -> the operating system# - %r -> the operating system's version# - %m -> the machine (hardware) type# - %% -> a single %# Default is "Welcome to %s at %n"#GreetString=K Desktop Environment (%n)# Whether the fonts used in the greeter should be antialiased.# Default is false#AntiAliasing=true# The font for the greeter headline.# Default is "Serif,20,bold"#GreetFont=Serif,20,5,0,50,0# The normal font used in the greeter.# Default is "Sans Serif,10"#StdFont=Sans Serif,10,5,0,50,0# The font used for the "Login Failed" message.# Default is "Sans Serif,10,bold"#FailFont=Sans Serif,10,5,0,75,0# What to do with the Num Lock modifier for the time the greeter is running:# "Off" - turn off# "On" - turn on# "Keep" - do not change the state# Default is Keep#NumLock=Off# Language and locale to use in the greeter, encoded like $LC_LANG.# Default is "en_US"#Language=de_DE# Enable autocompletion in the username line edit.# Default is false#UserCompletion=true# Enable user list (names along with images) in the greeter.# Default is true#UserList=false# User selection for UserCompletion and UserList:# "NotHidden" - all users except those listed in HiddenUsers# "Selected" - only the users listed in SelectedUsers# Default is NotHidden#ShowUsers=Selected# For ShowUsers=Selected. @<group> means all users in that group.# Default is ""#SelectedUsers=root,johndoe# For ShowUsers=NotHidden. @<group> means all users in that group.# Default is ""#HiddenUsers=root# Special case of HiddenUsers: users with a non-zero UID less than this number# will not be shown as well.# Default is 0MinShowUID=500# Complement to MinShowUID: users with a UID greater than this number will# not be shown as well.# Default is 65535MaxShowUID=65000# If false, the users are listed in the order they appear in /etc/passwd.# If true, they are sorted alphabetically.# Default is true#SortUsers=false# Specify, where the users' pictures should be taken from.# "AdminOnly" - from <FaceDir>/$USER.face[.icon]# "PreferAdmin" - prefer <FaceDir>, fallback on $HOME# "PreferUser" - ... and the other way round# "UserOnly" - from the user's $HOME/.face[.icon]# Default is AdminOnly#FaceSource=PreferUser# The directory containing the user images if FaceSource is not UserOnly.# Default is "/usr/share/apps/kdm/faces"FaceDir=/usr/share/apps/kdm/pics/users# Specify, if/which user should be preselected for log in.# "None" - do not preselect any user# "Previous" - the user which successfully logged in last time# "Default" - the user specified in the DefaultUser option# Default is None#PreselectUser=Previous# If this is true, the password input line is focused automatically if# a user is preselected.# Default is false#FocusPasswd=true# The password input fields cloak the typed in text. Specify, how to do it:# "OneStar" - <literal>*</literal> is shown for every typed letter# "ThreeStars" - <literal>***</literal> is shown for every typed letter# "NoEcho" - nothing is shown at all, the cursor does not move# Default is OneStar#EchoMode=NoEcho# If true, krootimage will be automatically started by KDM; otherwise, the# Setup script should be used to setup the background.# Default is true#UseBackground=false# The configuration file to be used by krootimage.# Default is "/usr/share/config/kdm/backgroundrc"#BackgroundCfg=# Hold the X-server grabbed the whole time the greeter is visible. This# may be more secure, but it will disable any background and other# X-clients started from the Setup script.# Default is false#GrabServer=true# How many seconds to wait for grab to succeed.# Default is 3#GrabTimeout=3# Warn, if display has no X-authorization (local auth cannot be created,# XDMCP display wants no auth, or display is foreign from StaticServers).# Default is trueAuthComplain=true# Random seed for forging saved session types, etc. of unknown users.# This value should be random but constant across the login domain.# Default is 0ForgingSeed=1169774518# Specify conversation plugins for the login dialog. Each plugin can be# specified as a base name (which expands to $kde_modulesdir/kgreet_$base)# or as a full pathname.# Default is "classic"#PluginsLogin=sign# Same as PluginsLogin, but for the shutdown dialog.# Default is "classic"#PluginsShutdown=modern# A list of options of the form Key=Value. The conversation plugins can query# these settings; it is up to them what possible keys are.# Default is ""#PluginOptions=SomeKey=randomvalue,Foo=bar# Show the "Console Login" action in the greeter (if ServerTTY/ConsoleTTYs# is configured).# Default is true#AllowConsole=false# A program to run while the greeter is visible. It is supposed to preload# as much as possible of the session that is going to be started (most# probably).# Default is ""Preloader=/usr/bin/preloadkde# Whether the greeter should be themed.# Default is falseUseTheme=true# The theme to use for the greeter. Can point to either a directory or an XML# file.# Default is ""Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/Bela

# Core config for local displays[X-:*-Core]# How often to try to run the X-server. Running includes executing it and# waiting for it to come up.# Default is 1#ServerAttempts=1# How long to wait for a local X-server to come up.# Default is 15#ServerTimeout=15# The command line to start the X-server, without display number and VT spec.# This string is subject to word splitting.# Default is "/usr/bin/X -br"ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X# Additional arguments for the X-servers for local sessions.# This string is subject to word splitting.# Default is ""ServerArgsLocal=# Additional arguments for the X-servers for remote sessions.# This string is subject to word splitting.# Default is ""#ServerArgsRemote=# Restart instead of resetting the local X-server after session exit.# Use it if the server leaks memory etc.# Default is false#TerminateServer=true# The signal needed to reset the local X-server.# Default is 1 (SIGHUP)#ResetSignal=1# The signal needed to terminate the local X-server.# Default is 15 (SIGTERM)#TermSignal=15# See above#Authorize=false# Which X-authorization mechanisms should be used.# Default is "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1"#AuthNames=# Need to reset the X-server to make it read initial Xauth file.# Default is false#ResetForAuth=true# See aboveAllowNullPasswd=true# See aboveAllowShutdown=All# Enable password-less logins on this display. USE WITH EXTREME CARE!# Default is false#NoPassEnable=true# The users that do not need to provide a password to log in. NEVER list root!# "*" means all non-root users. @<group> means all users in that group.# Default is ""#NoPassUsers=fred,ethel

# Greeter config for local displays[X-:*-Greeter]# See abovePreselectUser=Previous# See aboveFocusPasswd=true# Specify whether the greeter of local displays should start up in host chooser# (remote) or login (local) mode and whether it is allowed to switch to the# other mode.# "LocalOnly" - only local login possible# "DefaultLocal" - start up in local mode, but allow switching to remote mode# "DefaultRemote" - ... and the other way round# "RemoteOnly" - only choice of remote host possible# Default is LocalOnlyLoginMode=DefaultLocal# A list of hosts to be automatically added to the remote login menu. The# special name "*" means broadcast.# Default is "*"#ChooserHosts=*,ugly,sky,dino,kiste.local,login.crap.com# Show the "Restart X Server"/"Close Connection" action in the greeter.# Default is trueAllowClose=false

# Core config for 1st local display[X-:0-Core]# The VT the X-server should run on; auto-assign if zero, don't assign if -1.# Better leave it zero and use ServerVTs.# Default is 0#ServerVT=7# Enable automatic login. USE WITH EXTREME CARE!# Default is false#AutoLoginEnable=true# If true, auto-login after logout. If false, auto-login is performed only# when a display session starts up.# Default is false#AutoLoginAgain=true# The delay in seconds before automatic login kicks in.# Default is 0#AutoLoginDelay=10# The user to log in automatically. NEVER specify root!# Default is ""#AutoLoginUser=fred# The password for the user to log in automatically. This is NOT required# unless the user is logged into a NIS or Kerberos domain. If you use this# option, you should "chmod 600 kdmrc" for obvious reasons.# Default is ""#AutoLoginPass=secret!# Immediately lock the automatically started session. This works only with# KDE sessions.# Default is false#AutoLoginLocked=true# See aboveClientLogFile=.xsession-errors

# Greeter config for 1st local display[X-:0-Greeter]# See above#PreselectUser=Default# The user to preselect if PreselectUser=Default.# Default is ""#DefaultUser=johndoe

he main reason for that, I think, is that the downloaded packages are in your system (inside /home/ftp/)

I think it needed 160 MB to just install all that stuff... There was 6 or 7 dependencies when I installed it and only 2 packages were removed... I should'ave take peace of paper and write what I installed... Good ideas always come too late

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Are there any login options around that allow you to choose the window manager that you want to use? When you're logging in it's going to some other very simple window manager... there should be a way of selecting LXDE

Yeah, right, I select LXDE, then type login and password, press login button and end up with white xterm in upper left corner. Then I have to type startlxde to load it.

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I've just confirmed that the kdm-small package is in the repos here:

Will try that now and post what I get.

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1.) rename your kdmrc file to kdmrc.old2.) create a new kdmrc with a text editor3.) copy everything from the code below4.) paste it into your new kdmrc and save it5.) reboot -- just for fun

I did that and it returned Bela, but with ugly fonts... But login still fails(white xterm...).BTW, is there something important in /usr/share/config folder beside logintheme? b/c as I said before, now it's completely empty...

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I'm sorry that my "solutions" seem to be getting you into more trouble.

I think it needed 160 MB to just install all that stuff... There was 6 or 7 dependencies when I installed it and only 2 packages were removed... I should'ave take peace of paper and write what I installed... Good ideas always come too late

That was probably arts, a newer version of qt, and mysql that comes as a dependency when upgrading qt.But really, it's best not to start messing up with other packages for now

As for the space, I have deleted everything inside /home/ftp/pub/veclinux/packages several times without any problems, as these are just the downloaded tlz packages (whether or not they are actually installed) and it can save you space. But again, it's best to leave it for later and focus on the login manager.

is there something important in /usr/share/config folder beside logintheme?

Everything there seems kde related to me, so it should be ok.

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should I reinstall it(I mean, wouldn't it broke something if I'll do it?)?

Ok, I'm out of my depth here, and wouldn't want you to bork your system even more...My guess would be that when you installed then removed kdebase, a lot of stuff disappeared, maybe including stuff that was there even before you installed kdebase (perhaps as part of the kdm-small package?).I would try reinstalling the kdm-small package as your login isn't right at the moment, but I'm just guessing here.Hopefully somebody else can help more.

I made it! But now I think that the cost I payed isn't reasonable at all.So, here comes the story:I installed VL on the second comuter, and then copied all the stuff from /usr/share/config to the computer where I had problems with user picture. I looked once more through kdmrc and found that all users are displayed on the login screen, besides those, mentioned in HiddenUsers. I found HiddenUsers line, and somwhere around there I found that "The users will be shown in order they appear in /etc/passwd". I loked there and found that my user UID(6 digits) is much higher than any other, mentioned there. So I thought that's the problem. Not thinking a lot(that was dumb) I deleted my user name and created identical, but with lower UID.(Than I found that maximum UID is 65000 and could be changed in kdmrc)I rebooted and found that the issue is gone!Now I have a picture!Login went fine, 'cause I placed all /user/share/config stuff on it's place and I was happy. Unfortunatelly, not for a long time. My happiness dissapeared when I tryed to look through some of my files and found all /home/budulay folder completely empty. That was a hit. I am pretty sure ssh key is gone, either. No good.But it's only my fault. Next time I'll be wiser.Will mark topic [Solved]

One more positive thing - AntiAliasing=true did make it look much better. Thanks a lot to wcs.