Manis wrote:I've never worked at WalMart, but can clearly see the tyrannical drive in place by the Unions. Some people are so easily played and this push by Soros is absurd.Unions are led by people that are corrupt and have their own personal political agenda. Unions are not fighting for justice, but rather to obtain the membership dues to promote their own political ideology. Most people corrupted are done so because of their desire to obtain power - Some people are corrupted because they are fools.

I didnt know we were discussing unions. I thought we were talking about working conditions at Walmart. With all the research posted here it appears Walmart is not the most consciensious employer in America.

Unions are part of the story, and I don't doubt that Union leaders have evolved from promoting workers benefit, to promoting self benefit. What commerce in America hasn't done that in the last 50 years?

It's always about making money. But that doesn't mean Walmart employees don't have a long enough list of gripes to stage a walk-out. I think they do, but I don't think any good will come of it.

Manis wrote:I've never worked at WalMart, but can clearly see the tyrannical drive in place by the Unions. Some people are so easily played and this push by Soros is absurd.Unions are led by people that are corrupt and have their own personal political agenda. Unions are not fighting for justice, but rather to obtain the membership dues to promote their own political ideology. Most people corrupted are done so because of their desire to obtain power - Some people are corrupted because they are fools.

I didnt know we were discussing unions. I thought we were talking about working conditions at Walmart. With all the research posted here it appears Walmart is not the most consciensious employer in America.

Unions are part of the story, and I don't doubt that Union leaders have evolved from promoting workers benefit, to promoting self benefit. What commerce in America hasn't done that in the last 50 years?

It's always about making money. But that doesn't mean Walmart employees don't have a long enough list of gripes to stage a walk-out. I think they do, but I don't think any good will come of it.

*meesh*

MoveOn.org has jumped into the fight for a unionized Wal-Mart workforce.

The liberal group has sent emails to its list nationwide, urging a mass-protest outside Wal-Mart stores on Black Friday. The organization is encouraging people to strike against management even if they aren’t Wal-Mart employees themselves.

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Despite possible differences in educational and socio-economic background and an obvious difference in the manner in which they execute their crimes, the mentality of a person who robs a bank and a corporate executive who perpetrates fraud is the same. Both pursue power and control at the expense of others. Both are able to shut off considerations of consequences and conscience long enough to do what they want. Neither has an operational concept of injury to others. Neither puts himself/herself in the place of others.

The offense for which either offender is caught, more likely than not, represents just the tip of the iceberg of each offender's irresponsibility and illegal conduct. Both know right from wrong, but whatever they are doing at the time is "right" to their way of thinking. They know the laws and calculate carefully so they can succeed at their objective. The robber and "white collar" offender both conceive of themselves as totally unique and smarter than others. They experience a certain excitement during each phase of the crime — from the initial idea through the execution of the act and its aftermath. If apprehended, each will case out those who hold them accountable and feed them what they think they want to hear or ought to know. And they will do their utmost to dispel responsibility by implicating or blaming others. ...

... After decades of "compassionate conservatism," "a thousand points of light," and "Morning in America," dark talk of class warfare on the right can seem like a strange throwback. So accustomed are we to the sunny Reagan and the populist Tea Party that we've forgotten a basic truth about conservatism: It is a reaction to democratic movements from below, movements like Occupy Wall Street that threaten to reorder society from the bottom up, redistributing power and resources from those who have much to those who have not so much. With the roar against the ruling classes growing ever louder, the right seems to be reverting to type. It thus behooves us to take a second look at the conservative tradition, not just its current incarnation but also across time, for that tradition provides us with an understanding of why the conservative responds to Occupy Wall Street as he does.

Since the modern era began, men and women in subordinate positions have marched against their superiors. They have gathered under different banners—the labor movement, feminism, abolition, socialism—and shouted different slogans: freedom, equality, democracy, revolution. In virtually every instance, their superiors have resisted them. That march and démarche of democracy is one of the main stories of modern politics. And it is the second half of that story, the démarche, that drives the development of ideas we call conservative. For that is what conservatism is: a meditation on, and theoretical rendition of, the felt experience of having power, seeing it threatened, and trying to win it back. ...

"redistributing power and resources from those who have much to those who have not so much."

criticalbee wrote:I've always heard that Walmart treats employees badly. But I suppose the pay can stop a gap. Someone has to do it...

My wife has worked at Walmart. She has never talked about liking or hating working there so it couldnt be that bad. Im sure its not the best job in the world, but like you said, someone has to do it.

Now that I think about it, most complaints are from those who have responsibilities and have no help and it's their only source of income. I do know a few women who I've never heard complain but again these are older, married women who are just working there for a little extra income for themselves.

Despite possible differences in educational and socio-economic background and an obvious difference in the manner in which they execute their crimes, the mentality of a person who robs a bank and a corporate executive who perpetrates fraud is the same. Both pursue power and control at the expense of others. Both are able to shut off considerations of consequences and conscience long enough to do what they want. Neither has an operational concept of injury to others. Neither puts himself/herself in the place of others.

The offense for which either offender is caught, more likely than not, represents just the tip of the iceberg of each offender's irresponsibility and illegal conduct. Both know right from wrong, but whatever they are doing at the time is "right" to their way of thinking. They know the laws and calculate carefully so they can succeed at their objective. The robber and "white collar" offender both conceive of themselves as totally unique and smarter than others. They experience a certain excitement during each phase of the crime — from the initial idea through the execution of the act and its aftermath. If apprehended, each will case out those who hold them accountable and feed them what they think they want to hear or ought to know. And they will do their utmost to dispel responsibility by implicating or blaming others. ...

... After decades of "compassionate conservatism," "a thousand points of light," and "Morning in America," dark talk of class warfare on the right can seem like a strange throwback. So accustomed are we to the sunny Reagan and the populist Tea Party that we've forgotten a basic truth about conservatism: It is a reaction to democratic movements from below, movements like Occupy Wall Street that threaten to reorder society from the bottom up, redistributing power and resources from those who have much to those who have not so much. With the roar against the ruling classes growing ever louder, the right seems to be reverting to type. It thus behooves us to take a second look at the conservative tradition, not just its current incarnation but also across time, for that tradition provides us with an understanding of why the conservative responds to Occupy Wall Street as he does.

Since the modern era began, men and women in subordinate positions have marched against their superiors. They have gathered under different banners—the labor movement, feminism, abolition, socialism—and shouted different slogans: freedom, equality, democracy, revolution. In virtually every instance, their superiors have resisted them. That march and démarche of democracy is one of the main stories of modern politics. And it is the second half of that story, the démarche, that drives the development of ideas we call conservative. For that is what conservatism is: a meditation on, and theoretical rendition of, the felt experience of having power, seeing it threatened, and trying to win it back. ...

"redistributing power and resources from those who have much to those who have not so much."

Call it theft because It is what it is

The right to organize labor is well established in US history and law. The 1%'ers might feel like its theft, but only because it has gone on for so long. Wal Mart will be unionized in the next few years cause the movement is just going to gain popularity and momentum. Then, the power will be shared and a democratic relationship between the union and the management will be formed.