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Is he a Hall of Famer if he retired after this season? He probably would be but he shouldn't be. The guy hasn't been elite long enough in my book to be a Hall of Famer but considering his team success he would get in. If he keeps it up for another 4+ years he'd change my mind though.

I just feel like his stats are inflated by playing with his current cast of players. He wouldn't be getting as many assists if he wasn't passing to the greatest shooting team of all time or if people could actually get up on him. He's a guy that's not good offensively (doesn't have to be) and would be forced to do more on that end on a lesser team and that would take away from his defense. He's a really good player but I don't think he's HOF material. Would I want him on my team?? Most definitely, even if he is at the top of my "players I hate" list. I can only imagine the havoc that he and Gobert could create on the defensive end.

If he was playing on a team that didn't move the ball so much he might get more assists when you consider that he leads the Warriors on offense and the next 6 guys on the Warriors average 22 assists per game they are all "taking" assists from Draymond.

If you look at the Rockets, the next 6 guys after Harden average 15.4 assists per game, if we take CP3 out of that we get just 7.5 assists for the next 5 guys, and CP3 had the fewest assists per game since he was a rookie.

More passers on a team results in the best passers getting fewer assists than they would on a more traditional team.

If he was playing on a team that didn't move the ball so much he might get more assists when you consider that he leads the Warriors on offense and the next 6 guys on the Warriors average 22 assists per game they are all "taking" assists from Draymond.

If you look at the Rockets, the next 6 guys after Harden average 15.4 assists per game, if we take CP3 out of that we get just 7.5 assists for the next 5 guys, and CP3 had the fewest assists per game since he was a rookie.

More passers on a team results in the best passers getting fewer assists than they would on a more traditional team.

lol... his assists might be less because on another team he might not have the shooters he has on the Warriors...

its all speculation of course but the case can be made either way...

I come from the camp that certain numbers of his are inflated because he isn't planned for defensively like the other 3. Teams basically dare him to shoot wide open 3s... you think he would even shoot them if they were contested more?

He would have a huge effect on any team defensively (on wings + bigs alike), as a leader (Draymond's a natural motivator/winner/leader), and as a forward who can push the pace and distribute. He would not ever be (or be asked to be) a teams primary scoring option. But what he does bring is invaluable, and there is no team he would not help immensely. Those who don't think he'd bring All Star level impact to any team in the NBA are simply clueless. It's a great indicator of who not to listen to in a conversation concerning any NBA related topics when they have that stance.

What you neglect is how his personality and intensity would likely make his play suffer.

He is motivated and driven being on a great team. He knows his role, and excels in it. I dunno that would be the case if he was on the Bulls right now. I feel like he could quickly turn toxic (ala Ron Artest)

What you neglect is how his personality and intensity would likely make his play suffer.

He is motivated and driven being on a great team. He knows his role, and excels in it. I dunno that would be the case if he was on the Bulls right now. I feel like he could quickly turn toxic (ala Ron Artest)

"Likely" make his play suffer is such a sad/baseless/ignorant statement. I think his drive and intensity would more than "likely" continue to offer him snd his teams success as it has since his days of over achieving at Michigan State.

I know you don't understand the minutia of bball at an even moderate level (this is OK, most don't), but if you ever get to the point of understanding how to dissect film and focus on Draymond's defense, you will very quickly come to the realization that he is one of the highest BBIQ players in the game. His knowledge coupled with his leadership style (he WILL make you work and will get right in the face of a superstar if they are ****ing up) simply transforms a team on that end and sets the tone for success.

In short, the more knowledgeable the fan, the more you will understand how dominant he is. Stats wise look no further than his RAPM/RPM each season for this dominance being reflected.

lol... his assists might be less because on another team he might not have the shooters he has on the Warriors...

its all speculation of course but the case can be made either way...

I come from the camp that certain numbers of his are inflated because he isn't planned for defensively like the other 3. Teams basically dare him to shoot wide open 3s... you think he would even shoot them if they were contested more?

"Likely" make his play suffer is such a sad/baseless/ignorant statement. I think his drive and intensity would more than "likely" continue to offer him snd his teams success as it has since his days of over achieving at Michigan State.

I know you don't understand the minutia of bball at an even moderate level (this is OK, most don't), but if you ever get to the point of understanding how to dissect film and focus on Draymond's defense, you will very quickly come to the realization that he is one of the highest BBIQ players in the game. His knowledge coupled with his leadership style (he WILL make you work and will get right in the face of a superstar if they are ****ing up) simply transforms a team on that end and sets the tone for success.

In short, the more knowledgeable the fan, the more you will understand how dominant he is. Stats wise look no further than his RAPM/RPM each season for this dominance being reflected.

lol... his assists might be less because on another team he might not have the shooters he has on the Warriors...

its all speculation of course but the case can be made either way...

I come from the camp that certain numbers of his are inflated because he isn't planned for defensively like the other 3. Teams basically dare him to shoot wide open 3s... you think he would even shoot them if they were contested more?

I think he should probably nearly never shoot. His shooting has nearly nothing to do with his value.

And yes, some numbers go up on bad teams, but not unreasonable to think that the Warriors system actually reduces his assist numbers to some extent.

But you are totally right that it's all just speculation and meaningless.

he wouldn't be the 4th option on other teams which means he would be defended differently lowering his opportunity for assists

Also, you aren't factoring in the pace that GS plays at vs other teams which would reduce possessions...

It isn't cut and dry...

I disagree, it's cut n dry. Let them defend him however they want, he's still going to play his game and if he's hogging the ball more his assists would go up, no idea about the rest of his game. You'd have to sell me on the pace factor simply because we have pace adjusted stats for this very reason.

If steph and Kevin Durant weren't around and you gave him a single solid piece like say Harrison barnes, then I've already seen him do heavy damage and win actual playoff games much less the meaningless scrum of the regular season