Like many Southerners, I am a Civil War buff; I have been reading about the war for most of my life. I had always thought that the Confederacy was defeated, after four bloody years of fighting, by the Union Army and Navy under the leadership of Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman.

Turns out, I was wrong. According to Professor Stephanie McCurry, who teaches history at University of Pennsylvania, what she calls the “perfected republic of white men” was brought down at least as much from within as from without:

The new nation Confederates set out to build had fallen victim not just to enemy armies but to the manifest poverty of its reactionary vision of the republic, and the determined resistance of the Confederate people to it.

The bulk of this book is an attempt to show that the Confederacy’s own women and slaves waged “war” against it by playing a huge—and previously ignored—role in sabotaging the war effort. Lower-class women, whose husbands were off serving in Southern armies, worked to undermine the regime, and slaves, who had always resisted the ante-bellum regime, saw the war as a new chance to win freedom. Professor McCurry criticizes previous historians for failing to consider the role of women and slaves, who made up 60 percent of the “slave republic’s” population. She claims to have staked out such a “broad set of [new] coordinates” to explain the downfall of Dixie, that all previous works on the subject are flawed because they do not include her insights.

Stephanie McCurry

Prof. McCurry’s analysis is Marxist and feminist. She argues that two “disdained” and “excluded” classes of people in the Confederacy—non-elite women and slaves—were able to force their way into politics and destroy the Confederacy by exercising “agency.” “Agency” is a part of Critical Theory that emphasizes the previously unrecognized ability of “historically oppressed,” “dis-empowered groups” (in plain English: women and slaves) to shape their own environments, resist many of the demands of “empowered groups” (in plain English: white men) and make history.

In good, Marxist style, she also loves to call the Confederacy “reactionary,” adding that it was “founded in defiance of the spirit of the age.” She considers the South solely responsible for the war, but notes happily that the “war Confederates launched to escape history only confirmed their place in it.”

Before going further, it may be useful to have an idea of how Prof. McCurry feels about the Confederacy. On a C-SPAN broadcast she was asked what continues to surprise her about Civil War history. She expressed her displeased astonishment that Confederate leaders were not hanged for treason (only the commandant of Andersonville prison was executed, and for murder rather than treason). She is also astonished that the Confederacy “still enjoys such a good press”—which is false. The Confederacy has been the object of scorn in popular culture and academia for some time. Presumably anything short of advocating mass hangings is “good press.”

Women

According to Prof. McCurry, war dramatically altered the condition (or the potential condition—she can never quite decide) of Confederate women. At the beginning of the war they were “ciphers,” excluded from politics and not allowed to vote. “Nobody thought they had anything of value to offer the state,” she writes. But as the hardships of war affected the home front, women began to exercise “agency.” Alone and unsupported by husbands who had gone off to fight, they petitioned the government, with increasing stridency, for help in raising crops, buying food, or to bring their husbands home from the war. On several occasions when there were food shortages, women rioted in Atlanta and Richmond.

In Professor McCurry’s eyes, these women were “encroaching on foreign gender terrain” and creating a “politics of women” (in Critical Theory, every group has its own “politics,” whether they know it or not). By pressuring the government they presaged a separate identity for women outside of marriage, and inside the “body politic” of the Confederacy, much to the dismay of Confederate officials. Prof. McCurry would love to say that the new “politics” sparked a feminist consciousness, but sadly admits that it did not. Still, the women’s demands on the government, along with other more subversive actions, disrupted the Confederate war effort and contributed to defeat.

To give her argument the force it needs to be plausible, Dr. McCurry conflates three different groups of women, with differing attitudes toward the war and the Confederacy. To her, there is little difference between women petitioning the government for food relief, women writing to their husbands urging them to desert and come help with the crops, and women joining or supporting the outlaw bands of deserters who began to plague parts of the Confederacy beginning in 1863.

To begin with, the women in all three groups were a minority of Confederate women. According to University of Virginia professor Gary Gallagher, who made a study of the subject in his Confederate War, most women actively supported the war. They did not petition, urge desertion, or feed outlaw bands. These pro-Confederate women were not only members of the planter class, but of all ranks, including thousands of women who worked in factories producing munitions and uniforms for “the Cause.”

As for petitioners, Prof. McCurry fails to realize that the “newly empowered soldiers’ wives” were not seeking political power or trying to help the Yankees win, but trying to shelter and feed their children during a chaotic war, with their husbands away at the front. It does not occur to her that the act of petitioning could have been driven by desperation rather than disloyalty.

Historical marker in Columbus, Georgia.

Prof. McCurry also completely misunderstands the support that petitioning women and even rioters received from men—including Confederate officials of the government their actions were supposedly undermining. She thinks the men were simply intimidated, but this is not surprising in a neo-Marxist, for whom all people are merely individuals. Prof. McCurry seems to believe that people have only economic relations, that they have no connections or loyalties to each other or to a greater whole. In her ideological template, the people of the Confederacy were not bound together by ties of blood and sentiment and patriotism, and these bonds could not transcend class, sex, or economic interests. She does not understand that both men and women could petition the government for change and still be loyal Confederates.

What about women who urged their men to desert? In his history of the Army of Northern Virginia, General Lee’sArmy, Joseph Glatthaar notes that the wives who asked their men to come home often urged them to return to duty once the crops were planted or harvested. In fact, through most of the war, many deserters—in some states a majority—returned to their units. For the four-fifths of Confederate household with no slaves, a husband away in the army meant a serious labor shortage. Again, Prof. McCurry sees a desperate effort to survive as opposition to the Confederacy.

In her analysis of women, Dr. McCurry commits the error of which she accuses other historians—examining her subject in isolation. She considers the letters women wrote, but not the letters they received. Gary Gallagher has emphasized the positive effect of soldiers on their loved ones at home: in the heroic example they set, and in the encouraging letters they wrote to their wives, urging them to be strong and to support the war.

Monument in Columbia, South Carolina, in honor of that state’s Confederate women. The inscription reads, in part: “Reverence for God / and unfaltering faith in a righteous cause / Inspired heroism that survived / The immolation of sons / and courage that bore the agony of suspense / and the shock of disaster. / The tragedy of the Confederacy may be forgotten / But the fruits of the noble service / Of the Daughters of the South / Are our perpetual heritage.”

Slaves

In Civil War historiography, the rise of “agency” has replaced the long-held view that the majority of black slaves were simply pawns of the Union or Confederacy. Indeed, so the argument goes, the most potent force in freeing the slaves was not the occupation of Confederate territory by the Union army, but the efforts of the slaves themselves. They are now the leading actors in the historical drama of the Civil War.

Here are a few passages that illustrate Dr. McCurry’s views:

In Mississippi and Louisiana, few doubted that the war had become a slave rebellion.

That the Civil War was, among other things, a massive slave rebellion, seems clear in hindsight.

The transformation of slavery [was] initiated by slaves . . .

In the C.S.A., slaves quickly emerged as powerful enemies of the government, working to destroy slavery and the slaveholders’ state from within . . .

Dr. McCurry therefore portrays slaves, along with women, as another great wrecking ball that tore the Confederacy apart from inside. She does not accept the idea that slaves were a net plus for the South because their agricultural labor freed many thousands of white men to fight Yankees. Without slaves, these men would have had to stay home and grow the crops the South needed to feed its armies. And yet, Dr. McCurry herself acknowledges that the Confederacy was able to mobilize a larger share of its manpower—up to 85 percent of draft age men—than any American government before or since. This was possible only because slaves kept the economy running.

Monument at Fort Mill, South Carolina.

Dr. McCurry’s evidence of “agency” is mostly anecdotes: slaves refusing to work on fortifications, running away en masse from plantations, or guiding Union troops around Confederate positions. She claims that these “insurrections” forced the Confederate army to fight a “two front war” that led to its ultimate destruction.

Almost all these accounts come from areas occupied by or in close proximity to Union forces, mainly northern Virginia, coastal Georgia and South Carolina, and the area around New Orleans. Many accounts are from 1865, when most of the Confederacy had been invaded by Northern armies, and the rest was disintegrating.

Historians have always acknowledged that slaves in these areas, especially during the second half of the war, sometimes refused to work when Yankee armies drew near, and were quick to run away. But one would expect to see some basic data to support the claim that black slaves were the authors of their own emancipation, and played a huge, perhaps even decisive, role in bringing down the Confederacy.

Probably not a great threat to the Confederacy.

How many slaves did the South use to build fortifications and how many deserted or refused to work? How many, or what percentage, of slaves left plantations for Union lines? How many stayed? Dr. McCurry is either uninterested in such questions, or doesn’t like the answers. In fact, the South made extensive and well documented use of slave labor to build fortifications throughout the war.

Dr. McCurry also ignores the thousands of black servants, cooks, teamsters and nurses who accompanied Confederate armies in the field. According to one respected expert, Allen C. Guelzo, Lee’s army may have brought as many as 30,000 slaves into Pennsylvania during the Gettysburg campaign. They would certainly have been left behind if slave desertion was as big a problem as Dr. McCurry claims.

The relief from the Confederate Monument at Arlington National Cemetery includes a black slave following his master.

Despite Dr. McCurry’s claim, noted above, that the war became “a massive slave rebellion,” the author she cites for the most detailed account of slaves “at war” with their masters, William Dusinberre, flatly disagrees: “Not a single substantial slave insurrection occurred in the United States [including the Confederacy] between 1831 and 1865.”

Ulysses S. Grant himself recognized the importance of slaves to the Southern war effort. As he explained in an 1878 interview with the New York Tribune:

4,000,000 negroes kept the farms, protected the families, supported the armies, and were really a reserve force . . . never counted in any summary of the forces of the South.

Grant certainly did not think the slaves were an important ally in the fight to crush the Confederacy.

Why should anyone pay attention to a book like Confederate Reckoning? It is not for the general public, and is written in the turgid jargon favored by modern academics. Its arguments are ridiculous. Still, Confederate Reckoning is sure to be assigned in undergraduate and graduate courses, and will help shape the minds of teachers and professors. And these people will shape the minds of students.

More importantly, Confederate Reckoning is no outlier in Civil War studies. Dr. McCurry’s hostility to the Confederacy and her desire fantastically to expand the role of black slaves in the War Between the States, is probably shared by the majority of professional historians working in the field today. Over the past 50 years, they have re-written Civil War history to fit the ideology of multiculturalism.

Confederate Reckoning is an instructive example of that process.

In a future article Gerald Martin will consider in more detail the takeover by multiculturalism of Civil War history.

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Mr. Sprayberry is a 6th-generation Texan, ex-Army officer, school teacher, and backpacker, now looking for his third career.

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Max Krakah

well, what does one expect from the mind of a woman. Education is truly a waste of time for these creatures.

bigone4u

What an insult to WN women bloggers and supporters. Criticize this woman author all you want, but think before you condemn all women.

Max Krakah

There is a false argument that is always made that goes like this

” there are plenty of conservative women so one can not judge women by the leftist women”

Well, truth is that when speaking of women, the MAJORITY is ALWAYS leftist. The percentage of race realist, or conservative females is always in the minority, so it doesn’t matter at all if you can point to one individual female that may be in line with us, letting women be part of the political, academic or media is ALWAYS going to feminize things and drag it to the left. A TRULY conservative female would be aware of this, and would not halve a problem with letting men run things. She would not have a problem with it because she knows that letting women be involved will destroy conservatism, destroy race realism, destroy a people. Another truth is that while there may be some leftist crazy men, the majority of men, even with the feminization that has taken place ,will always vote more conservatively, more for their race.
A truly race realist woman would have no problem at all in what I say, she would know that the GOAL is more important than her EGO!

Anna Tree

I am a woman, quite strong-headed and a racialist and I agree with you.

A big majority of woman, of liberals, of intellectuals, of Jews have really created the mess we are in. Because of greed, pathological altruism, wishful thinking, naivety, projection, self-hatred. It is okay to point this out.

That said, I don’t think education of women is a waste of time. I think the mess is because of emotional and one-sided education. Similarly I don’t agree with those saying European Jews are not White (or wanting to kill them all) or saying intellect people are traitors.

Thanks to remain polite Max Krakah (I still don’t really understand but somebody on Amren has been quite strong with his language towards me because I am a woman! I would think we can disagree and still know we are a group, moreover as long as we are a minority and so much attacked. Also although I disagree with acting on the following I will still say that yes, whites can make it without Jews and intellectuals but LOL they can’t make it without women)

Tom B.

Are there any more like you out there? Men need women for more than just a physical thing—he needs their emotional support and he has to feel that he has someone to fight for-to protect or defend. If you take that away from him–if you abandon your own kind and start mating with men of other races he will most certainly become bitter, hateful, or just give up and lose hope. These young girls who mate with blacks are committing genocide against their own race! It goes far beyond just immorality. It seems you are on the right track—never doubt how important you are—but don’t lose sight of the fact that your behavior can be very destructive to our race and civilization!

Anna Tree

Sadly I don’t know of any in my entourage but yes there are: there are many white racialist women on Amren and when I post on yahoo boards, I do get supportive comments from women too.

Women are definitively more emotional and naive. It’s in our genes, our hormones (not a social construct LOL.) I also think it is a age thing. As I wrote in the past, I was a victim of the diversity liberalist secular religion when I was young. Maturity, wisdom, past errors, open-mindness made me realize the truth about many issues I have been brainwashed with. I am lucky that I am happily married with a white man and I am educating my children properly. By the way, I am enlightening my hubby about white racialism, you’re welcome!

Yes, men need women for more than just a physical thing, and women need men for more than that too! I agree with what you say, it was hard for me to accept all this. It took me time, but I did. It’s not fair for the women, but it is better for everybody: for the men, the women, the children and society. I still see myself as a strong woman. Not trying to be offensive, just an analogy: is the horse less strong after being broken/trained?

I think that making young women understand what you say is harder than making them race realists. Becoming a racialist has made me become a better woman/wife, so I presume this could be the way to do. Race is the big picture, the corner stone, the wedge/key stone. If one understands this, then their thoughts could be well adjusted, at least better. A group understanding this, stronger. A civilization, invincible. A race, proud. Immortal.

I am not trying to please anyone. I am genuine. I am still working on myself, it is not easy (I don’t know if it is not easy because of my previous thinking or if it was never easy for most women but we did it, by choice or not)

Max Krakah

Men should support what is RIGHT and their women should support the men who support what is Right! To look for “mommy’s” approval and support is to look in the wrong place. A man should be ‘IN- formed”, not “OUT-formed”, or formed fem without by what a woman wants.
The communists assaulted the old values, they ridiculed religion. they took God away, they corrupted society with pornography. When men do not serve what is RIGHT, women see this, and detest them. A woman will take “NO” from a man when she sees he is on the right path, she will not when she sees he is detestable and weak for his pleasures, weak for her, weak for his alcohol, weak for his sports, weak for his TV.
WE have been reduced to the point where the only remaining area of masculinity in our culture is “sports”. But there was a time when before professional baseball and football when men were extremely masculine and these things were just one expression of that. Now they are not an expression of that, they are all that is left.

Anna Tree

I wrote a post a couple of days ago, I am not sure if it was to answer this one or another of yours. Anyway, my computer crashed and I lost it. Argh! I don’t remember all now, I will make one of my point in brief:

When I was visiting islamocritical websites (“islam a religion of peace” was one of the first liberal dogma, that I checked and saw as a lie. This was a catalyst for me to check all the other dogmas, included “race is a social construct”, and that journey brought me here), so when I was visiting those sites, there was always this question being asked: why do European women go with muslims? Despite rejecting then the logic, I already knew back then, long before I became a racialist, that many women deep inside, do want strong men to be their protector, a pillar in the family and they do like when their boyfriend/husband wants to be their sole admirer, to ask them to wear more humble clothes and to bear them children etc and they misinterpretate muslims as proposing them those things. Erroneously as there is much more and much less the muslims are “offering”.

Indeed nowadays white men are ripped off their white masculinity (strong but respectful, leader and partner) and white women miss it and fall for ersatz that are destructive (mysogyn and exploiting, authoritarian and seeing women and non-muslims as deficient) or annihilating (with even farther genetically non-white).

Argh, I just don’t remember what I wrote else…

Was nice speaking with you.

Jon

White men and women should be supporting each other and building each other because we all know their are people trying to destroy everything good about us. The emotional support we give each other is vital.

Max Krakah

Men, especially since the 60s have abdicated their natural position of leader and are now creatures that seek “mommys’ approval. They are afraid to be seen as ‘harsh, “unkind” , “uncaring” “mean” etc. Many men today live under this constant threat that they will not live up to what “mommy” wants. Therefore we have people like Sean Hannity.
This started in the 50s but really became prevalent in the sixties with the peace movement when the men in the military were vilified and the peacenik hippies became the new ideal. Before this phenomenon men had a “world of their own” where their values were shaped by their male peers, NOT their women! Women LIKE men like this, They do not really care for or respect men that are weak for them. They do not really want a grown man that seeks their approval as the measure of what is right or wrong. They secretly have contempt and distaste for their metrosexual men. They want to be told no, but at the same time they have such a contradictory nature that they will not take “no” easily. They will go through a period of anger and resentment and the man has to be strong enough to deal with this without becoming angry or hating the woman.
To create a white ethno state will require men to stand up and be willing to face the disapproval of women. This will NEVER come from the run of the mill republican men. The only strategy I see that would be successful would be for a stealth ( white) male government to get elected . Perhaps a republican candidate but perhaps it could be a democrat even. Once in power, such a person could then make moves to deal with the issue of race, and a bad economy, by taking “emergency measures’, which, with the precedent of “executive order” already being set could be quite easy. These measures would be designed to foment unrest in the minority populations. To deal with that a state of unrest martial laws could be declared. Then all Equal opportunity laws and AA laws could be immediately revoked, politicians removed from office and replaced with agents of the new government, All elections suspended for an unspecified time. BUT , at the same time a form of representation could be give to white males in the army. So in reality voting is restricted to white males while people are told that general elections are suspended until social order is stabilized. The media could be immediately seized, the present civil law courts shut down. Divorce laws changed drastically and men given power over their families again.
I believe the white world’s days were numbered the minute we gave women the right to vote. Each generation of women pushed things a little further. We are at the point now where we are at the precipice. Women do not have children, when they do they often take them away from their father. The family is all but destroyed, or hanging by a thin thread. The dream of a white ethnostate will not just happen, and it will not happen unless women are taken out of the decision process.

Rachel May

I agree with much of what you say, but think you should consider propaganda,, reality, and how to work it in our favor. We have to work with what we have and use it and direct it toward the world we want. The individual may be masculine, but the psyche of the masses is feminine. It always has been. This is why God’s people as a group and the church are referred to in the feminine vernacular. True, the desire is for masculine leadership, but it is not obtained in the ways suggested. On a side note, I would assert that many women in the past took great disdain at manhood being given preference over womanhood in regard to race. Why were black men given governance (vote) over white women simply because they were men. I think many viewed this as a slap in the face. WN’s need to focus more on race and the family dynamic without putdowns of either sex. I have always made it a personal point not to put down men in general for traits that are masculine, but rather to appreciate the complimentary nature of men and women. As far as men doing what is right despite the approval of the women in their lives, I agree completely. I have always been dismayed by WN men who don’t want their girlfriends or wives to find out about their beliefs or association with different WN groups. I always advise them in the case of girlfriends to state their beliefs and if the ideas are rejected than to break up immediately. In the case of a wife, I don’t view divorcing her as an option, but neither is silence. The wife needs to see that his beliefs have merit and often that will only happen if he remains firm in his positions and takes her femininity into consideration. In other words, formulate your views in conversation with her in a way that she can understand. Sometimes, it isn’t the views that a woman finds scary (if articulated correctly) but fear that her man is caught up in some kind of terrorist activity and about to be pounced on by the FBI. Isn’t that what the movies tell us. As far as female white nationalists, I have known quite a few who had they same issues with their husband or boyfriend. Boyfriend has to be dumped, but not the husband. This is where the tried and true advice of winning your husband over by your behavior (St.Paul) comes into play. While some men may not care if his woman has a brain or not or views any attempt at using her intellectual capacity, most men appreciate a woman of conviction. He won’t be won over by nagging, but by they way she lives an honorable and noble life dedicated to white Christian revival.

Allow me to point out what the left knows too well and has exploited with tremendous success. Men may be the leaders of the families (even today if only in theory), they are still expected to be the protectors (even left leaning women want men to protect them if not in theory than in practice) but women are the gatekeepers to the family. This is something the NRA has recently figured out. Teach a man to hunt and a man hunts, teach a woman to hunt and the whole family hunts. Everyone in the WN movement wants to save white families and some believe only men are up to the task. The problem is that it just isn’t going to happen. The movement won’t save white families, white families will save the movement, promote it, propagate it, and make it central to lives of other white families. This is the nucleus of a new white ethno-state (nation) The movement needs strong white families and this means women too. Men and women working together with their different attributes will place the proper focus back on families. Family is the incubator of future WNs. I suggest that we look past our personal grievances with either sex and not play the enemy’s handbook of dividing our race along gender lines. This doesn’t mean we feminize the movement, but it does mean begin looking at ways to make family the central theme and that includes writings, speeches, and conferences. Too many look at conferences as a weekend away from the wife and kids or “man” work. Conferences should focus on families. When you have a family environment you will have more single women and more single women means potential marriage partners for single white men.

Remember that the enemy has told the public the following: we hate non-whites and we hate women. Now, I know there is a time for hate, but our enemy didn’t get to this point through tough sounding rhetoric. They used a softer language that cloaked their true desire. Do I hate non-whites? No. Do I want them here? No. Our movement is falling into a trap by appearing to be anti-women. They are not countering the enemies lies, they are validating it much of the time. They group non-whites, homosexuals, and women together in language the majority of the time until it just rolls off the tongue.

By promoting family rather than an agenda that is pro-man or pro-woman, we can circumvent our enemies propaganda tactics. We have to reframe our approach and propaganda (marketing) In think the WN movement is moving in the right direction, but individual adherents must have an understanding also.

Tom B.

Ahhh!!! great discussion sir—you and Rachel have just been added to my favorites list—-a couple of people who THINK!! We are not as far apart in our beliefs as you might think at the moment—it is difficult to express oneself in a short narrative. I ask you to look at Proverbs 31:3 and Proverbs 31:10. It blends in with this discussion very well but you both know that to quote the Bible is going to turn off many of our friends on this website. Let me say up front that I am not a preacher–my vices are too numerous so I leave that vocation to someone of more noble character. I do believe however that no matter how arrogant or learned man becomes he will eventually return to that Source of Knowledge to find answers to the mess that mankind has gotten himself into. Max, you are absolutely right that a man has to stand for what is right and stand by his convictions even unto death. I can think of no more noble mortal than Robert E. Lee–read his book on leadership!, what made men like this great is that they had views similar to what you have expressed and they lived a life based on their convictions. He and Stonewall Jackson were both men to emulate–their faith gave them supreme courage to face death many times without fear but they both knew the importance of having a good woman by their side. But GOOD is the key word here–read Proverbs 31:10 again to get my definition of a good woman. Men and women need each other, I believe, to find real happiness—without that life is pretty empty–this I can tell you from experience cause I never found that virtuous woman but plenty of the other kind, creating a view of women very similar to yours Max. I am an old man now and cynical but after reading Rachel’s letter maybe there is still hope.

NeanderthalDNA

“Why should anyone pay attention to a book like Confederate Reckoning? It is not for the general public, and is written in the turgid jargon favored by modern academics. Its arguments are ridiculous. Still, Confederate Reckoning is sure to be assigned in undergraduate and graduate courses, and will help shape the minds of teachers and professors. And these people will shape the minds of students.”

This is what depresses and angers me most – the fact that our higher educational humanities and social sciences (humanities and “education” the worst) departments have become self filtering ideological “thinktanks”.

Rampant neo-Marxist mandarinism supported by public fundage in the name of “education” and “progress”.

All part and parcel of turning Whites’ countries into brave new world style concentration camps.

Driving a wedge between our men and women is a very effective soft core genocide tactic they use. Thank you for standing with us, Anna. It is not unappreciated.

Brian

I agree that men are generally more conservative (and less sentimental) than women, of course. But calling them ‘these creatures’ and saying educating them is a waste of time is a different kettle of fish.

Max Krakah

I am all out of sugar coating

Young Werther

An Authentic White Man of a certain level of intelligence would never say or think these things about the women of his race. If you are a man, and if you think this way then you simply have a personality disorder, or some other mental defect…men who speak as you do are usually wife beaters (if they can find a woman who will have them) because they hate women (often latent homosexuals with identity problems who give homosexual men a bad name)…women are a powerful force economically, and to shun them is simply stupid on that basis alone…men who pose as you do…what woman, regardless of politics, would be around them in the first place? What a joke.

Max Krakah

wow, a crazy woman

Brian

These creatures? Men as just as infected with the Marxist Malaise as men, including in academia.

Sick of it

Which is why men across the board constantly complain about the behavior of women and many of whom state specifically that they would rather be alone than spend the rest of their lives with a modern “sexually liberated” woman (i.e. skank).

Brian

I get it. Skanks can be fun in your 20’s, but they aren’t for marrying. I’m lucky to have a good one now. She would have made a good rifle-toting, firewood-chopping Western pioneer, is chaste and is not infected by the entitlement/PC virus. I had to go through a few to get to her though…

Tom B.

Hope you know how lucky you are—I looked for one like that for many years–she never came along. More rare than diamonds!

Anna Tree

Well LOL diamonds ARE made. You just need time and the right conditions!

I believe that it is possible to teach. Educating is brainwashing (good or sadly bad things), brainwashing is the only solution
to the brainwashing white, men, women and children, are suffering nowadays against their race and civilization.

Just choose a lady who doesn’t think it is wrong to be proud about her heritage and wants children AND children who will look like her. A lady who is willing to question everything. And built from there. A book here, a trip to that neighborhood there, slowly she can wake up to the truth, I would say there is a need for a few months of exchange. Sometimes, the racialist thoughts are there, but repressed. It can take
her to go through the phases of grief: shock, denial, pain, anger, bargaining,
depression/reflection, working through, acceptance… It’s all if you have the will and energy to go through this with her.

There is a real need for a white singles dating site. I am willing to help…

Brian

I do know, and if I forget, she is sure to remind me of my luck!

1stworlder

She just drank too much kool aid, let her get knocked out by her pets a few times so reality can set in.

White Light

Education is truly a waste of time for these creatures.

Rubbish. Compare the amount of leftism you see in these “creatures” to the amount you see among New York city Whites.

TeutonicKnight67

Blue collar NYC whites are very realistic. It’s the starry -eyed college kids from out of town and the misanthropic hipsters that are the marxist fools. Oh let’s not forget the Public School teachers. Suicidal fools to the last.

WR_the_realist

We have some women with fine minds who post right here at Amren.

Young Werther

“These creatures”…ha, you must be a real gas at cocktail parties…ha.

Jim

You might want to discern between woman and feminist.

PlasticBiddy

You stick to boys then, dearie.

Hey Mr Fantasy

As a woman, I have to agree with you for the most part. Most women are hopeless and the worst part of being a woman is other women. The exception does not prove the rule, and the exceptions are mercilessly tormented, hounded and shunned. Women value conformity, a rigid social order where independent and dissenting thought is cruelly mocked, and the vast majority think with their emotions, not their brains. Why do you think the modern, woman-dominated society is in the shape it’s in? Women agitate for aid to useless eaters, believe the “we’re all the same” propaganda because it’s feel-good and warm/fuzzy, and refuse to open their eyes and see reality. I don’t think I have ever had an intellectual conversation with any other woman (except maybe my mother and grandmother), and almost every single conversation with another woman is them talking smack about people they know, what’s on TV, or what material, status-seeking item they want their husband/boyfriend to buy them to “prove his love”. They also fell for the lie of feminism, and the especially odious and damaging lie of “sexual freedom”…which I guess is part of feminism, but it’s so damaging and destructive to women, yet they line up to let men use them then toss them aside like garbage! Then they think that once THEY are ready to settle down (after having been used by tons of men) that some decent man will want them! THAT mindset is what makes me think most women are hopeless and must be stupid. Sorry to any women here that aren’t that way, I know there are good women out there….I just haven’t met any yet.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

I’ve often heard from feminists that every head of state in this world needs to be a woman in order to prevent wars.

Really?

If that was ever the case, World War III would break out as a chain reaction end consequence to one of the heads of state saying of another, “b***h stole my man.”

dd121

Is this person related to the idiot that thinks 100 million slaves died on the passage? These lefties live in their own fantasy world.

LeGrandDerangement

Like Oprah talking about the millions who were lynched.

Luca

Slaves accompanied their master’s into battle acting as cooks, servants and valets. They had ample opportunity to run away and did not.

What is always left out of the narrative is that some slaves were so well treated that they were undyingly loyal to their slave master’s family. This is also why many slaves upon hearing they were free decided to stay on with the the White families and become sharecroppers.

Many poor White families were subsistence farmers and had it much worse than those slaves that were treated well.

As for women rioting, that was basically driven by the famine of the times.

Professors like McCurry are the reason I decided to not pursue my studies further. They are professors and purveyors of propaganda, nothing more.

MikeofAges

Very good point. Black African chattel slavery in the United States was a vast institution. It covered a quarter of a continent, encompassed centuries of time, and, at the time of the Civil War, 4,000,000 slaves and about 12,000,000 whites living in slave states. Any generalization about slavery is bound to fail.

When I visited the historic Berkeley Plantation in Virginia, I paid careful attention to its total layout and how it must have functioned as a farm in the slavery era. Where the slave quarters must have been was steps away from the front door of the house. I wasn’t born yesterday. In reporting this my impressions, I cryptically described this locale as the home of “slavery at its good-hearted best”. It was still slavery, and slavery had a much uglier face in other places. But we weren’t there, and don’t know how life played out day to day. For most of the human race throughout most of the history of organized society, caste systems, often ethnically based, have been the norm. People deal it and manage to preserve themselves somehow on both sides of the line.

E_Pluribus_Pluribus

“For most of the human race throughout most of the history of organized
society, caste systems, often ethnically based, have been the norm.
People deal it and manage to preserve themselves somehow on both sides
of the line.”
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A modern example is the oil-rich Gulf States as detailed in “Far From Home” in the January 2014 issue of National Geographic. 89 percent of the population of both Quatar and the United Arab Emirates, for example, are imported. These “remittance workers” are long-term “temporary” non-citizen from Pakistan, Philippines, India, etc. “layered . . . by race, gender, class, country of origin, English language fluency” — whites in the first tier (professionals, managers) down to manual laborers from the aforementioned countries.

MikeofAges

There is at least way out for non-resident workers. Go home. That makes it not exactly as caste system in the historic sense. But perhaps past caste systems have originated in these types of situations. Usually, caste corresponds to division of labor. American slavery was a true color caste system, one with a legal existence. Color caste exists extensively in Latin America and the Caribbean, but based on the force of custom, not force of law.

Harold James

Workers do not have the possibility of “going home” in many of these countries. Their employers take their passports upon arrival. It happens in Arab countries and in Israel, among others. Further, the workers are often paid such pathetic wages that it is impossible to make and save enough to go back even if they had their passports.

Whenever you read US newspaper accounts of Arab or Indian slavemasters in the US the papers commonly mention that the employer took the servants’/slaves’ passports on arrival in this country.

MikeofAges

If you are a citizen of a country, ultimately, your country will let you back in without a passport. These workers are simply being held prisoner, more or less. With or without a passport, the issue is that they simply are not allowed to leave. Not allowed to board a conveyance or cross the border. A passport generally would allow that, but it could be prevented even with one. Whoever first said “Prison Planet” had it right.

Even in the United States, the extent to which people who are not identifiably part of the gentrified middle class might not be able to travel to or live in any desirable country is not well publicized. Most never try it because they do not have the money, if for no other reason. But if they did try it, they might be in for a surprise.

Pelagian

Love the Dylan quote especially. There was a lot of unvarnished truth in early rock music … before the Marxists decided that that wouldnt do and forced political correctness on thought, language and culture.

MikeofAges

Not that people should willingly submit to depredations, mind you. But some aspects of the human condition cannot be overcome no matter what a person’s circumstances in life are. In this world, the human being is the only entity which can see that it lives in a creation or cosmos much vaster than itself and which can perceive its cycle of life and ultimate mortality in so elaborate a way. Even the most primitive know that much and seek to explain it. That is the one thing that can never taken away from human beings no what is done to them otherwise.

Dylan, I realized when I was very young, though he detested injustice, was one of the great conservatives of the age. Better realize it while you are young. Who past college age listens to him anyway?

AndrewInterrupted

Dr. Helen Smith’s book ‘Men On Strike’ has similar commentary.

My concern is that if people who honor the founding culture walk away–if that is not actually doing the Cultural Marxists’ bidding?

Sick of it

We cannot improve this system through our participation (not are we often allowed significant participation). The system must collapse.

AndrewInterrupted

All true. Secession is the answer. Extricating will cause that collapse and rebirth. It just has to be done incrementally. The same way the Gramscian termites ruined America.

Brian

The slaves, given a decent master, were at least provided with basic clothing, shelter, food, and medical attention, and in some cases a chance at a trade — not out of the goodness of massa’s heart necessarily, but at least to preserve the economic value. If they were hurt or old, they weren’t thrown in the street to starve. Compare this to the Irish immigrant working up North in a textile mill or coal mine, starting at 12 years, and discarded by the business owner if they got hurt. For people on the left side of the bell curve, and given the overall living standards of the time, it wasn’t the absolute worst situation, and some of them realized it. At least on the plantation, they wouldn’t starve like some po’ white ofays might when the crops failed.

48224

I agree. If blacks waged war against whites today it would be a total disaster for them so it follows that it would be even worse in the 1860s. I just want to add that I am not an advocate of slavery but I would have never turned them loose on American soil either. My reasons are: Detroit, Cleveland, East Saint Louis, Baltimore.

Luca

It is one of the horrible mistakes of history, they should have been repatriated.

LeGrandDerangement

Another excellent review. I’m sure the Army of the Potomac would be surprised to learn of their hitherto unknown allies, working behind Southern lines. I’m sure the women and slaves were too busy doing something as unpolitical as simply trying to survive. How disappointing for Marxist theory. Ah, well, one can still assign them an “agency” utterly alien to them. I think that if Lincoln had attempted to hang R. E. Lee, he’d have had another rebellion on his hands.

John R

Robert E. Lee kept the Civil War from being even worse than it was. At Appomattox, he chose to surrender his forces, and bring the war to an end, rather than yield to the council of some Confederates, who wanted instead to hide in the hills, and continue fighting, guerrilla war style. That would have made the war last years longer, and would have been a tragedy for both sides. In the end, what saved this country is the fact that the leaders on both sides of this conflict were great men, who, in the end, had a love for this country and it’s people.

LeGrandDerangement

I’ve read that Lee was the most beloved general in either army.

AndrewInterrupted

And he wasn’t a replacement General like Grant.

LeGrandDerangement

The South started out with the best and kept them, unlike the North and their revolving door of commanding generals, until Grant.

Geo1metric

Bobby Lee was offered the general-ship of the Northern armies but declined, stating that he could not stand against his beloved Virginia.

As things stood then, your state was somewhat equivalent to your country today. States were considered sovereign entities then as was contemplated in the Constitution.

I too am a proud Virginian.

LeGrandDerangement

I noticed that when I served in Kentucky and Georgia. County affiliation was very important. As a Northerner, many of us probably couldn’t even have told you what county we were from.

Geo1metric

Back in the day, County Sheriffs had significant power.

I think that, as a political principle, the closer the seat of power is to the people, the better off the people are.

Repeal the 17th amendment!

IstvanIN

Considering how the North treated the vanquished South, the Southerners had more love for the country and people.

Who Me?

Read an accurate description of the surrender of Lee to Grant. Lee was a perfect gentleman throughout. Grant showed up late and half drunk. He was offensive, acted like a bully and didn’t care who saw it. By most accounts Grant was all in all an odious individual.

Brian

They should have had Lee surrender to Joshua Chamberlain. He was a gentleman, fierce warrior, and scholar– a Yankee I can respect.

AndrewInterrupted

Grant wasn’t chosen for leadership so much as it was hoped he would make fewer mistakes. The North had technology and money on their side. It was their fight to lose. Some of the repeating rifles the North introduced, for example, were devastating.
Grant’s mission wasn’t to win it. His mission was not to lose it.

http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

Grant was a big-league alcoholic, but he knew all had had to do was wear the South down.

AndrewInterrupted

That’s right. No big errors and it would take care of itself.

It’s remarkable how well the South did given the terrible odds they faced.

LeGrandDerangement

An anecdote, don’t know if true. After Grant had won an important victory, another Union general criticized it to Lincoln, claiming that Grant was drunk at the time. Lincoln replied, “Give a case of whatever he’s drinking to my other generals.”

Luca

Don’t sell Grant too short. He had numerous personality flaws but his best quality was persistence. He didn’t give up, he kept pushing. His predecessors were the greatest procrastinator’s, cynic’s and incompetent generals imaginable.

Persistence is a mighty thing. Thomas Edison was not a true genius but he was extraordinarily persistent.

I think a modern psychiatrist might categorize Grant as clinically depressed, hence his own alcohol therapy, but his good qualities surfaced and he overcame his personal problems to be the best hope of ending a horrible war.

Grant’s mission was to keep pushing.

LeGrandDerangement

Lincoln characterized him with “I like this man; he fights.”

AndrewInterrupted

Sherman was a drunken lout, too.

Brian

I have no love for Sherman, but he was one of the few who, at the beginning of the war, predicted it would be a drawn-out bloodbath, not some 6-month easy victory. A lot of folks thought he was deranged for that, but he was proven right.

TeutonicKnight67

Most Southerners abhor Sherman for his harsh, scorched-earth policy but having lived in the antebellum South he knew the strength of Southern martial spirit. His writings on the south and on the war reflect a deep admiration for them and a tragic pity for the fact that he knew he had to destroy them. It was an undertaking he took on with great sadness but being a man of duty, he felt compelled to do whatever was necessary to win. Unfortunately, he did.

Geo1metric

Sherman was not the first northern general to used “scorched earth”; the Shenandoah Valley was to be burned so that “not a crow could fly across it and survive”. Come to think of it, Lee may have burned Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

Geo1metric

Sherman’s “march to the sea” was completely unnecessary and was a terrible example of “total warfare”( involving civilians). The burning of Atlanta reminds me of Dresden though not as many civilians were killed.

geralddmartin

There is a new book out by yet another of these PC civil war historians which attempts to show that Lee was trying to “seize the narrative” at Appomattox, in ascribing Confederate defeat to the overwhelming numbers of Yankees. She (forgot her name at the moment) alleges that Lee was trying to evade acknowledgement that the Confederacy’s own sins brought it down (similar to Prof. McCurry’s thesis), and was a key figure in establishing the “Myth of the Lost Cause,” which is viewed by PC historians as a Big Lie and (of course) wildly racist. This woman also claims that it was the USCTs (United States Colored Troops) who defeated the Army of Northern Virginia in its last battle, thus forcing it to surrender to Grant.
I will have more to say about this book in an essay about the transformation of Civil War history into something which accords with multicultural dogma, but thought I’d give you a heads up. It is another attempt to erase from the public (white) mind anything in our history we can be proud of. — Gerald

John R

We should all know why the South lost the Civil War. Even Rhett Butler knew it, in “Gone With the Wind” “……Yankees are better equipped than we. There is not a single cannon factory in the whole South. They have a fleet that can bottle up our harbors and starve us to death. All we have is cotton, and slaves, and arrogance…” I would add, a population double the size of the South-even including the 4 million slaves that made up a third of the South’s population.

LeGrandDerangement

At first glance, it would appear that Lee’s seizure of the narrative was pretty accurate. I’ve always believed that Northern numbers defeated the South.

geralddmartin

Agree. The name of the book is, “Appomattox: Victory, Defeat, and Freedom at the End of the Civil War,” by Elizabeth Varon.
Besides resenting Lee’s iconic status with almost all Southerners & many Northerners, she objects to the lack of contrition in his famous farewell statement to the Army of Northern Virginia, which praised his troops, and referred to the overwhelming Northern advantage in manpower and resources as the cause of its ultimate defeat.
Many PC historians of today are enraged by the South’s failure to grovel, apologize, and admit the war was all their fault after it was over. That the South was prostrate, economically ruined, with hundreds of thousands dead, means little to them.

Geo1metric

Regardless of losing, the South was right in that secession was absolutely constitutional. I am convinced that the North knew this full well and is why Jefferson Davis was, while captured, never tried and finally, released; the North knew they would lose if they tried Davis for treason.

I mark the defeat of the South as the end of the Constitutional Republic.

What type of government we’ve had since is anybody’s guess.

Tom B.

Think about it—the South didn’t just lose the war–they were literally BEATEN!! My grandfather was born in 1875, just at the end of reconstruction. His father lived through the war ( too young to fight in it) but passed on his memories and experiences of the war years and the era of reconstruction. He said that reconstruction was even worse than the war an many ways. The Union soldiers were brutal and continued to rape and murder even after the war. Many of the former slaves were taken into the army and they were the worst by far—the Negro has always been of a savage nature!! White men could not vote or hold public office for a long time and my great-grandfather said it was ten years of pure hell. It has never ended!!, consider the book this evil woman has written like so many others that are being printed. Look at the absolute garbage Hollywood continues to pour out–I think two about Abe Lincoln as a vampire slayer–of course the vampires are Confederates. The new Lincoln movie by Spielberg is pure garbage so I am told–I refuse to spend money on this crap so I rely heavily on reviews, but you get the picture. The real question is WHY? The South has had no political power for 150 years–yes some of our SCALAWAG traitors have made it to the White House–but they do not represent us in any way–they are scum!! What is it that the Ruling Elite fear from us that they have to keep up the propaganda and hatred–a hatred that is still strong among many people in the North sad to say. The liberal propaganda has so damaged our society down here that it is hard for me to believe we will ever recover—but apparently there are those who still think we need to be punished even more. I just don’t get it.

Geo1metric

During “reconstruction”, blacks were put in many positions of power in the South, much like affirmative action today, and those blacks brutalized Whites in every way imaginable.

Numerous southern court houses were burned in order to destroy land deeds. Land was redistributed.

And, of course, so many Whites were brutalized, especially women, that the KKK was formed to protect Whites against blacks.

Modern history, of course, ignores all these stories.

LeGrandDerangement

The Spielberg movie is pretty bad.

LeGrandDerangement

I’m sure his men expected nothing less from him. A proud commander expressing his pride in an Army which lost largely due to logistics. They had no reason to grovel. The author must belong to that school of historians which discount events being the results of great persons. Completely ignore the evidence of Napoleon, Wellington, Julius Caesar, etc.

Spartacus

“As for petitioners, Prof. McCurry fails to realize that the “newly
empowered soldiers’ wives” were not seeking political power or trying to
help the Yankees win, but trying to shelter and feed their children
during a chaotic war, with their husbands away at the front. It does not
occur to her that the act of petitioning could have been driven by
desperation rather than disloyalty.”

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Of course she doesn’t understand. She’s a feminist whore, these critters have no children.

geralddmartin

Stephanie McCurry does have children. She is apparently a single mother.

outofmi

You’re just jealous because she turned you down. And laughed at you too.

Spartacus

You mean she didn’t have an abortion ? Then she might not be fully liberated… How can she live with such shame ?

AndrewInterrupted

She made amends by alienating the father.

TeutonicKnight67

..but of course she is.

JackKrak

I’ve always believed that the Allies never could have taken the beaches at Normandy without the help of German housewives and concentration camp inmates.

Whitetrashgang

I guess you just cant trust a woman, Stephanie should know.

Pro_Whitey

I am waiting for the book or movie about how we could not have won WWII without the efforts of ardently segregationist Southerners, who were later betrayed by the country they helped to protect. I’m not going to hold my breath waiting.

LeGrandDerangement

Southerners have always enlisted in droves for this country’s wars. Amazing, considering the way they’ve been treated.

AndrewInterrupted

Critical theory indeed.

Another revisionist feminist.

Tom B.

It seems the war against the South will never end–I moved to Alaska in 1989 and was astonished at how much pure hatred some of the Northerners still had for us. No matter how hard I tried I found it nearly impossible to get along with some of them. Not all were bad ,fortunately, and I enjoyed 15 years in that beautiful country. I am back in the South now and will never leave it again–getting ready for Civil War #2–I just don’t think the South will ever accept the Marxism that has been pushed down our throats for the last 150 years. I could be wrong though—the propaganda has definitely had an affect, mostly on our women. You Southern girls out there–wake up!! we’re gonna need you real soon I think.

AndrewInterrupted

Certainly the last 50 years. I guess a Southerner would see it starting from 1865. This Northerner, who got very good treatment by Southerners while doing field service, believes the Cultural Marxism starter pistol went-off at Hart-Celler 1965.

In retrospect, I regret that my relatives fought for the North. I actually regret they fought in all the wars afterward. Their sacrifices were in vain. Now this country is crumbling from millions of Gramscian termites. Stinkin’ sociopathic ingrates.

Tom B.

There were many German Marxists in the Union army and enjoyed avid support from Lincoln. Karl Marx loved Lincoln and saw the Civil War as the beginning of communism in America. Please don’t take my rant above as an indictment of all from the North—I made friends with a number of them and stay in touch—from what they have told me they were taught in school to hate us because of the way we allegedly mistreated blacks. It was pretty bad up there though—-several articles were written in the papers about it. I remember meeting one fellow from North Carolina who told me he got so tired of the insults he began to fight back!! and proudly admitted his nose had been broken three times—but he said, I broke a few of theirs too!!

AndrewInterrupted

No offense taken. I have fond memories of my Duke Power field service days in the Carolinas.

One nuance with your words that struck me. In the recent past you rarely saw women posting on boards like these. Now you see them here and other blogs like the Daily Caller. I think that is significant.

Hetero/middle-age/white/males are the obvious posters here because that demographic is the consistent target by the Cultural Marxists and their hate purges at employers. White women have always gotten a pass, but now they see themselves displaced by incompetent minority women and they are starting to understand that the white woman is the next target as the haters go down the list.

I’ve been the victim of reverse discrimination dating back to the 1980’s. White women are just starting to realize that they are next.

ncpride

It’s true more White women are beginning to see what’s happening and I’ve seen them post all over the net as well. Matter of fact, they are some of the most passionate, hard-core realists out there, myself included. We see how our men are targeted constantly, and it makes us just as angry.

Geo1metric

I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the number of women posters here. The more, the better!

All White males who have participated in the job market for the last approximate fifty years have been subjected to government-directed discrimination.

That’s why, partially, I don’t give one dime to either political party. They have both upheld this disgusting regime.

Anna Tree

I agree but would like to say that I am here not really because I realize white women are next but because white men are discriminated against and when they are, I feel it’s me discriminated against, it’s the same. Beside, not only my husband is white, but my sons are too! The pro-diversity white women are suicidal and infanticidal.

As I commented in the past, I have white friends who tell me without a blink that they wouldn’t mind if the white race would disappear: beside the anger that they are talking about my children and many other children, they are talking about their children as well!!! To hear them brainwashed to an ideology that are harming their husbands and turning their kids into genocide targets reminds me of those ants whose brains have been took over by parasites.

LeGrandDerangement

Do you let these friends eat off of your silverware?

Anna Tree

I tried to google the expression but didn’t find the meaning so I am not sure what you are telling me. Please tell me when you can!

LeGrandDerangement

Sorry, I was being snotty about letting people who are indifferent to the disappearance of the white race use your silverware.

Anna Tree

They know what I think about that. You are lucky if your friends and family are racialists, LeGrandDerangement, I am not that lucky, it does bring sadness and anger, I do asked them questions or throw “naive” statements, but it is so deep… Before becoming a racialist, I was brainwashed too BUT I was very proud of the Western Civilization and our heritage, and understood its uniqueness, and I would never have been indifferent to its disappearance. That seems a big difference.

Anna Tree

Maybe you are lucky LeGrandDerangement and your friends and family are racialists, I am not that lucky. I do my best to open their eyes and I am looking for aware people for friendship, beside that I feel worst is to come and I want the security of a group and the hope of a tomorrow…

LeGrandDerangement

No, I don’t know anyone who is race-realist. I tried discussing immigration issues with a self-described “conservative” and perceived immediately that I had trodden onto forbidden ground, so I didn’t even bother broaching racial issues, lol. Ah, well.

Anna Tree

I googled the expression but couldn’t find the meaning. If you can explain it to me when you can, thank you!

WR_the_realist

It is inconceivable that you’d find a black person who is totally unconcerned about black people disappearing off the face of the earth. Likewise for Asians, Hispanics, and everybody but whites. It is incredible to me how many whites have swallowed the Kool Aid.

Anna Tree

Indeed!
If one white says “I don’t mind the disappearance of the black race”, they are racist, but if a white says “I don’t mind the disappearance of the white race”, they are great models…
And I think you’re right, I can’t imagine a non-white saying that about their race, it would be whitey’s fault too…

dd121

I think you’re friends who would like to see the white race disappear are completely deluded if they think that will be the beginning of a paradise on earth. I was in Peru, a country that is composed of all brown people. You might think that would bring complete peace and harmony. Nope. The descendants of the Spanish are the elites who run and own the whole country, and the natives are their serfs.

TeutonicKnight67

1970’s and 80’s School Bussing cured me of any dislike of the way Southerners “mistreated” bantu savages. The marxist claptrap was quickly erased with a dose of reality.

geralddmartin

Most of the Yankees who fought for the North, at least during the first three years, did so out of sincere patriotism, to preserve the Union, which they held dear. I believe they were misguided, but honorable. I have always respected these men, unlike the “bounty men,” paid substitutes, & foreign mercenaries who made up a large part of the Union army in the last year or so of the war.

AndrewInterrupted

My Irish ancestor who fought for the Union was believed to be in the Irish Brigade. He was one of many from the potato famine exodus originating in 1842.

Family lore said the opposite for him. Many of the potato famine refugees had limited employment options. He considered himself more a mercenary than a revolutionary.

He’s probably rolling over in his grave now, though.

TeutonicKnight67

Despite a high percentage of libtards in their ranks, I would say that historically speaking, no single white ethnic group in America has as much hatred for the Bantu as those of Irish descent. I speak from personal experience as well.

AndrewInterrupted

The Irish suffered greatly under the Brits, and contributed greatly to the U.S.

My house is like a museum of family war heroes. KIA, wounded in action, bronze stars, unit citations.

But, Irish Americans aren’t belly ache-ers like the ‘Bantu’. McCurry must be adopted.

Funruffian

That’s disheartening to hear about Alaska. I would have thought that they were Old Fashioned people with a rustic exterior and appreciation for honest and hard work. I visited Alaska in the Summer of 1983 and while I enjoyed its natural beauty, the people were weird. There is also a shortage of women, especially attractive women. There are only about 10% women in Alaska and they don’t look any different than the men. There’s a joke that if you see a good looking girl in Alaska, she is referred to as a tourist.

Tom B.

It seemed to me that the ones born up there were friendly people–it was the recent transplants from the Northeast mostly who hated anything Southern. The Natives were a different matter altogether–very racist against all whites. They like the blacks down here enjoyed the backing of the Federal Gov. in almost everything–jobs, housing, special hunting and fishing privileges, you name it. Alaskans tend to be more socially liberal but very pro-2nd amendment. They vote mostly Republican but usually support liberal ideas such as abortion, gay rights, and they really love blacks. I knew one retired State Trooper up there who believed anyone who used the “n” word should go to prison but at the same time he was very prejudiced against the Natives. This is a broad generalization I give here and many no doubt would rebut it– Alaska is a near perfect example of what a multiculturalist society is like—confusing and screwed up!! Those are just my views on the matter and I could be wrong. Also there is a shortage of women up there—better to take one with you if you can keep her. She will have ample opportunity to dump you for someone else–but as women up there said in reference to finding a man—” the odds are good but the goods are ODD”!!.

AndrewInterrupted

Yeah, I agree. That would be the last state I would think would be judgmental toward anyone. That is something. I know Alaska has a high concentration of Inuit. Maybe it was that group?

Geo1metric

The elites of this country have never forgiven the South for daring to challenge them.

You can notice it in many, many subtle ways in numerous venues such as movies, books, even commercials, etc. Notice how Southerners are regularly depicted as hicks, dumb, unsophisticated, etc. Rural does NOT equate to stupid.

John R

The slaves were significant in bringing down the Confederacy? No, not really. But the free blacks and mestizos today-along with their White allies-ARE going to be the significant factor bringing down the United States of America!

ncpride

They can spew their ridiculous propaganda and outright lies all they want, but the fact remains…..We Southerners were right… about EVERYTHING and the proof surrounds us daily.

So CAL Snowman

I proudly display the Confederate flag in my home and I don’t even attempt to explain myself to people that dislike it.

Geo1metric

The Confederate battle flag has become a symbol of rebellion around the world.

I see more battle flags in Pennsylvania than south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Who Me?

I once (somehow) came across the rolls of the Bexar County, TX enlisted men. AMAZING number of men with my family name enlisted in the C.S.A. Cavalry! Since that is where my grandfather was from, I have no reason to doubt that at least many of them were directly or indirectly related, though the relation might have been several generations before the (un)civil war. They all tended to have extremely large families back then, and being of healthy stock most of them survived childhood.

TeutonicKnight67

So do I. And I live in The People’s Republic Of New Yorkistan SSR.

Pro_Whitey

I prefer to explain to my fellow northerners that the Confederacy was akin to an anti-busing movement in the north, just all the more desperate because the damaging effects of abolition without colonization of the freed slaves to points outside the U.S. was such an awful prospect. Even Jefferson Davis wanted to get rid of slavery eventually, but not without moving the slaves out of the U.S. They were trying to protect themselves from black dysfunction, which was held in check by slavery. I wonder if Prof McCurry will ever recognize that the Southerners who did not own slaves were not dupes, but rational men who could figure out how bad things would get with unconditional abolition.

Brian

Better protection would have been leaving them in the motherland all along.

TeutonicKnight67

As a fellow Yankee let me say this: DON’T WASTE YOUR BREATH. Any northerner still stupid enough to believe that Bantus are harmless exotic creatures will never be convinced otherwise. They are so far gone that they even justify being prey to the Knockout Game by restless “youths” who are simply “disadvantaged”. The fact that these pavement apes are sporting designer track suits, the latest iPods (no doubt stolen from another hapless victim) and $500.00 bakkaball shoes makes no impact on these libtards. I for one, look forward to the The Great Reckoning and will not shed a single tear for whites who sympathize with or feel sorry for Bantus when they are turned upon by their precious pets.

TeutonicKnight67

No Yankee that I associate with would dare dispute you on that, Sir. Clearly the South has been vindicated by history.

sbuffalonative

The key to understanding liberals is to know that they live in denial of reality. Once you understand that, you can understand their motives and beliefs.

The real world confuses them. They can’t understand why the world is as it is instead of how it should be; their way, the perfect ‘progressive’ liberal Utopia.

Hence they have a compulsive need to re-define reality (and history) to conform to their beliefs. To do so, they have to come up with ever increasingly convoluted ideas to explain the past and the present. All they need is one example out of a million to claim ‘the truth’ about history.

A handful of women writing to their husbands to come home to help with the crops isn’t a political-social movement except in the mind of a liberal who needs to make reality conform to their ideology.

As Mr. Martin points out what’s troubling about this is that this book will likely enter the public debate and simply muddy the waters of history.

Also, it’s become trendy to write alternative histories because they get noticed. Despite the silliness, Mr. McCurry will be taken seriously by liberals who can’t face reality.

1stworlder

Must really suck to be them when every time they meet a black person in real life, reality disproved equality.

Brian

A handful of women writing to their husbands to come home to help with
the crops isn’t a political-social movement except in the mind of a
liberal who needs to make reality conform to their ideology.
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I know of a similar situation. During WW2, my grandfather was in the Pacific, and around early ’45 my g-grandparents wrote a hardship letter to the War Dept asking for my granddad to be sent home (they had four sons, all in the Army, and my granddad was the youngest). They were barely scraping by on the farm and it cost a lot to hire someone then because of the labor shortage. My granddad was permitted to go but refused, until he and his buddies could finish it out and go back together, which is understandable but I don’t think he realized how desperate it was back home. So they got one of his brothers to return early to help with the planting.

Funruffian

McCurry is the type of New order feminist who wants to join the forces of current Marxism and Multiculturalism. Why else would she write a textbook that demonizes the Old south and everything it stood for? She is trying to accomplish three agendas: She wants to make women appear to be defenders of Blacks . (2) she wants to make the Confederate Army appear to be inept and vulnerable. (3) She wants to champion Civil Rights and the so called fight against White oppression.
We know her book is filled with half-truths and distortions, but her book will definitely sell and become a prominent textbook in modern day Marxist Academia.

So CAL Snowman

The Confederate army had a much better K/D ratio than the Union soldiers as they were much better soldiers and had much better leadership despite being the smaller of the two armies. The Southern Generals were incredible leaders and military strategists (Gettysburg excluded).

Brian

That’s all true, but they also spent a lot of time fighting on their own turf too…some advantage with that.

Geo1metric

There were also no “draft riots” in the South. The South, in the minds of most of their soldiers, were fighting for “home and hearth”. After all, their country had been invaded!!

They were highly motivated!

TeutonicKnight67

The Draft Riots make me proud to be of Irish descent.

http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

They were very poorly supplied. Even the best men in the world can’t fight very well when they’re hungry and have sometimes marched barefoot. Southern generals were amazing, but southern quartermasters and resulting supply were miserable.

The Confederate generalship failed at Gettysburg. Nobody could have taken that ridge under steady fire.

Brian

All true. I’ve read about that 50-year reunion of north and south after Gettysburg, and the scene of the survivors shaking hands is very moving. I also heard that so many men died in Pickett’s Charge that a couple of guys who did make it all the way to the Union rifle line actually were extended a hand and helped over and taken prisoner. For someone to have that bravery under withering fire and grapeshot, you’d have to have some sympathy. Back in those days, men were still men, whether Reb or Fed.

If any of you visit Atlanta, you should visit the Cyclorama– it’s a fascinating look into the battle of Atlanta. (And you can visit me and I’ll give you a personal tour of the battle sites in Atlanta…yes it’s a Diverse area but I’ll have my .45 ACP). The Union camp line was literally in my backyard. Generals McPherson and Walker died within a mile of my house.

LeGrandDerangement

That’s exactly what Longstreet couldn’t make clear to Lee.

Geo1metric

I will never understand why Lee did not listen to Longstreet.

LeGrandDerangement

I think Lee didn’t want to leave the field with the enemy in possession of it, and he had to move. His army had no re-supply and had to keep moving to find food.

AndrewInterrupted

Maybe McCurry is pleading for amnesty?

If she were working at a federal contractor they would still be unimpressed. White men have been sufficiently slaughtered at those places (including myself) that the white women are now feeling it. They are next on the list. Cultural genocide of the ‘Diversity & Inclusion’ kind is a process with a refined template.

These Cultural Marxists aren’t nice people. They are laser focused on destroying the founding culture. Make no mistake. They are sociopaths and liars.

So CAL Snowman

Slaves and women brought down the Confederacy, really? This woman has gone full retard. You never go FULL retard. They are just making it easier for us as they lose their minds. I’ve read that individuals who have undergone serious indoctrination, brainwashing, or mind control begin to exhibit symptoms of insanity and delusions as they grow older and their mental programming begins to break down.

bigone4u

Of course, her book is cartoonish and outlandish in its claims, but it gets her a BIG raise, a promotion, and she’s a hero to the 90 percent profs who are Cultural Marxists. I saw this sort of thing over and over in my 30 years as a prof, none of them spent kowtowing to the CMs. Her career is now set for life. As you suggest, it makes it easier to refute the bull when it’s as obvious as hers.

Brian

re: ‘full retard’. Down here we’d say her thesis is ‘ten pounds of horseshit in a five pound sack’. 😉

jane johnson

No, it’s “Bless her heart” or “The poor thing”. Same way we describe the batty old Aunt that no one listens to, but can’t get rid of. That’s the Southern way to refer to delusional people; sounds polite and sympathetic to northerners, but other Southerners understand immediately.

Brian

I say both of those things when I’m trying to be polite/talking code, but in this case…the Marxist author calls for something a bit harsher.

Geo1metric

We Southrons are great “code-talkers”.

bigone4u

This book follows the usual path of distortion by Cultural Marxist profs. The hidden agenda is to sow even more seeds of distrust between white men and women today. I can say without doubt that my Alabama ancestral women were 100 percent loyal to their men, just as they are today. The other thing is where in the book is the story of the “speculators” who hoarded food for profit, while good women and children starved. These traitors to the South owed their loyalty to their Tribe, I’ll betcha.

LeGrandDerangement

I’m sure that the wives of my Louisiana ancestors who fought and died in that war were loyal, as were yours.

AndrewInterrupted

As a Northerner, I also got good treatment from the Cajuns while doing field service in the Gulf during my oil-patch days.

We were based in the Broussard area.

I was an honorary “C00N@$$.

LeGrandDerangement

The Broussards are cousins of mine. The Cajun band Beausoleil was named after their ancestral village in Acadia, in eastern Canada. A fair number of them enlisted in LA units during the Civil War. My best friends when I was in the military were always Southerners.

Geo1metric

A cohort of mine in the Army was a Broussard from Lafayette, La. Great guy!!

LeGrandDerangement

We’re all related, distantly. The leader of the Broussard party into Louisiana was Joseph Broussard dit Beausoleil. He was a guerilla leader against the Brits and New Englanders in Acadia during the French and Indian War in the 1750s, before being captured. Unlike most Acadians, he wasn’t shipped out. He left voluntarily, not wanting to live under British subjugation. His brother Alexandre had been captured, sent off to prison in South Carolina, escaped, and hoofed it back to Canada to resume fighting. He was in his late 50s or 60s. Not guys to monkey around with!

AndrewInterrupted

Most people don’t know that ‘Cajun’ comes from the word Acadian.

I saw my first sideways rain when I worked in Louisiana. Oh, and my first 10 foot deep drainage ditches. I thought they were tank traps at first.

Brian

Two of my g-g-g-grandparents. From looking at them, I don’t think either one of them was soft in their convictions. (The saber here was taken from a federal cavalry officer my gramps unhorsed, when he was 17.)

LeGrandDerangement

What units were they in?

Max Krakah

women are NEVER 100% loyal to their men. You must be single!

Max Krakah

happily ever after just doesn’t exist

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

After a given election, the National Association of Diabetic Bhutanese will try to claim that voters who are Bhutanese-Americans with diabetes made the crucial difference in the election, and were the crucial swing constituency.

That’s what I think of the thesis advanced in this book.

1stworlder

I must be out of the loop what does the last T & H stand for in LGBTQMIAPDLOLPLPLTH

Max Krakah

trucker hats

Brian

Crispus Attucks was a pre-op transwoman of color who won the Revolution singlehandedly and later went on to invent peanut butter.

AndrewInterrupted

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!

Max Krakah

Boston Massacre _”Amid ongoing tense relations between the population and the soldiers, a mob formed around a British sentry, who was subjected to verbal abuse and harassment. He was eventually supported by eight additional soldiers, who were subjected to verbal threats and thrown objects. They fired into the crowd, without orders, instantly killing three people and wounding others. Two more people died later of wounds sustained in the incident.”

I bet you that Crispy Africanus started the incident!!!!

LeGrandDerangement

Tried to bum a cigarette from the sentry.

Max Krakah

yeah, said his mom bees in da hah-spit-ah too!

LeGrandDerangement

😀

Brian

The first Knockout Game incident?

Brian

At the beginning of the war they were “ciphers,” excluded from politics
and not allowed to vote. “Nobody thought they had anything of value to
offer the state,” she writes.
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Why should a woman ‘offer something of value’ to the state? Why should a man? Ah, that’s right– Marxists like this author think we should have ‘people of the government, by the government, for the government, so that the State may not perish from the earth.’

shawnmer

“She argues that two “disdained” and “excluded” classes of people in the Confederacy—non-elite women and slaves—were able to force their way into politics and destroy the Confederacy by exercising “agency.” “Agency” is a part of Critical Theory that emphasizes the previously unrecognized ability of “historically oppressed,” “dis-empowered groups” (in plain English: women and slaves) to shape their own environments, resist many of the demands of “empowered groups” (in plain English: white men) and make history.”

Wow. That kind of power when in abject servitude, yet 150 years after slavery and 50 years after Jim Crow they still can’t refrain from crime, finish high school or get a freaking JOB!

Brian

They’re tired from all the agency-ing?

Geo1metric

Another pathetic attempt by the left to deconstruct our culture.

Let’s re-write history so we can control the past, present, and future. Oh, and while we are at that, let’s re-name all the schools, and take down all the statues we don’t like.

http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

Excellent dissection of this leftist propaganda. My only concern was the reference to Major Henry Wirz being executed for “murder.” Wirz was given a sham trial and framed for crimes he did not commit. He was a scapegoat to satiate the wrath of the North for the high death rate at Andersonville Prison — a death rate resulting from the North stopping the prisoner exchange, confiscating and destroying all medicines in the South, and neglecting to come and get the prisoners when offered without a reciprocal exchange.

Pro_Whitey

I recall reading that Wirz wrote to Sherman at least twice to plead that Sherman take the prisoners of Andersonville off of his hands, because he just could not care for them. I have not been able to find a cite to back that up. Do you have one? I agree that Wirz was a scapegoat, as much for Union prison commandants as for any Confederates. When one adds up the number of Confederate prisoners who died of disease and malnutrition in Chicago (80 Acres of Hell), Elmira, NY, and other places, I think they rank up there with the deaths at Andersonville, a number of which were due to tragic errors in the initial layout of the prison camp.

http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

I first read about this in the memoir of a Union officer who had been a POW at Andersonville, Lt. James Madison Page, “The True Story of Andersonville Prison.” Page also stated that Wirz paroled five Union POWs to go to Washington and plead for a prisoner exchange, in order to relieve the camp of his over population. Andersonville was not poorly designed, it was designed to hold a certain number of prisoners while awaiting exchange. When the North stopped the exchange, the prison population swelled to a much larger number, and overcrowding and disease killed many of the prisoners.

Pro_Whitey

Thanks, I’ll have to look up that book. I imagine it does not get the same attention as “12 Years a Slave” and the like. As for the layout of the camp, I think I read somewhere (sorry, sloppy about my authority) that it turned out that the privies were located in a way that the fecal matter contaminated the ground water, but by the time they realized what had happened, the prison was, as you point out, too crowded, and they lacked the manpower to do anything about it. Based on what I read, that contributed to the disease.

TeutonicKnight67

I’ll wager that the trial of Henry Wirz was every bit as phony as the Nuremberg Show Trials.

Alexandra1973

I guess in this woman’s perfect world white men wouldn’t exist.

DNA Explains It All

Oh if only there were a way to catapult this heifer into such an realm.

LeGrandDerangement

Detroit

Geo1metric

That would be Dirtriot.

I sometimes misspell too.

LeGrandDerangement

😀

DNA Explains It All

Detroilet or the Chicongo, while excellent choices, neither are yet walled in and the danger of her being able to walk out exists.
Maybe somewhere in Africa would be better yet.

DNA Explains It All

She might could walk out of Detroilet.

David Ashton

Just occasionally a “feminist” scholar will produce a useful work that fills a gap in historiography; I can think of two particularly good studies, one of English patriotic writing by women in wartime, and another on European witchcraft. But “Critical Studies” in general is a fake form of history writing, a form of propaganda, designed to “deconstruct” white “patriarchy”, etc. in pursuit of the egalitarian global revolution based on “race, gender, class” developed from the New Left aka “Cultural Marxism” of the mid-1960s. It pollutes the academic world in teaching and publishing; and this seems to be a particularly noxious one example among thousands.

TheCogitator

I wish people would not use the term “Civil War” as we did not have one here. A civil war is a war between two, or possibly more factions, to control the same government. The Confederate States, succeeded from the union and formed their own government. It is more appropriate to refer to the war as the War between the States, or the War of Northern Aggression.

Geo1metric

Or the War to prevent Southern independence. My favorite is “The recent unpleasantness”.

But you are correct. Secession was anticipated by the Constitution. After all, the federal government was a creature of the States, not the other way around.

AndrewInterrupted

Secession should be done incrementally, like North Colorado and West Maryland are doing. Go state-from-state first, then plan the next move from there.

If North Colorado and/or West Maryland succeed, I will move there the day after.

Geo1metric

I seriously doubt that Leviathan will allow any secession.

AndrewInterrupted

O’Bummer keeps talking about the ‘two-state solution’ for Israel/Palestine. What’s the difference?

Two diametrically opposing cultures there–two here.

itdoesnotmatter

Or, there is the Irish euphemism for their nasty conflict, “the troubles.”
After traveling extensively in Southern USA, touring
C/War Sites, falling in love with the food, [except for grits], architecture, festivals, music, remote mountains, hollers and forests, I call it, “the war of Northern Aggression.” I am proud of you Rebs; it was worth fighting for.
Visited Andersonville, GA as a pilgrimage in honor of my maternal great great great uncle, a Union captive who lived through imprisonment there. His very formal letters home to “dear father” are among my genealogical artifacts. Uncle R. seemed to understand that his captors were suffering too. He did mention appreciation for the gracious Southern ladies who brought in food when they could spare it. For some reason Wirz eventually put a stop to that.

Greetings from another female Amrener who agrees that most men are feminized, disagrees that education for women is a waste of time.

Geo1metric

Thanks for the response. I have several ancestors (Virginians) who fought in the War to Prevent Southern Independence. While there are many reasons for the war, the individual soldier is usually fighting for his family’s safety, his home, his loyalty to his homeland.
The one thing they were not fighting for was slavery.

From what you wrote, I would guess you were in Law Enforcement?

itdoesnotmatter

Thank you and your courageous ancestor, Geo. You fought for what is lawful and moral, sovereignty without federal interference.
It pains me to say that most of my antecedents fought for the so-called Union, most having moved North by the time the WONA commenced.
Some time back, I posted an 1865 letter written home by one of my Union uncles serving in GA. In the letter he describes a sneak attack axe murder of an officer by a marauding black. Referring to the problem of black slaves wandering aimlessly, his words are eloquently prescient of a “war not yet fought.”
No, never in law enforcement. Early retired urban Level One Trauma M.D.
L/E and our jobs share the same mind-numbing exposure to ghetto life and death.

M.

In French, it’s called the War of Secession.

Young Werther

I think Congress established the official name of the war to be The War Between The States, perhaps sometime around the turn of the century (1910 or 20’s?).

John K

Of course she believes this, she’s from the northeast, the birthplace of liberalism, and liberals love to rewrite history. Ask her who her heroes are, and she’ll probably name Gloria Allred, Andrea Dworkin, and Hanoi Jane Fonda.

One of the main reasons the South lost the War of Northern Aggression is simply because General Lee was tired of fighting. Most of the early Civil War films depict Southern soldiers falling dead all over the battlefields, when in truth, they outfought a far better equipped Union Army and were vastly outnumbered. Had General Lee took General Longstreet’s advice at Gettysburg, the war would have ended much differently.

As far as I’m concerned, President Lincoln and his generals are war criminals who waged war on their own people, and they unleashed the Black Plague in America.

This woman is just another in a long line of unhinged, radical bra burners. She’s waging war on America, the liberal way. She is just another traitor allowed to spread lies, and this is the liberal version of free speech and “freedom of expression”.

Young Werther

Yes, the South was dead tired, few soldiers left fit to fight, out of everything from shoes to gunpower, eating rats when they could find them ( I think P. Pember Yates wrote at the time of the seige that a rat could go as high as a hundred dollars in Richmond, and that was not Confederate dollars either), deseased, nothing left and as you say vastly outnumbered from the beginning… the North had an endless supply of cannon fodder in the form of German and Irish immigrants who really had no idea what they were signing up for as soon as they stepped off the ship since they (especially Germans)could not comprehend English…no telling what those officials signing them up actually told them.

TeutonicKnight67

The Germans knew little English and the Irish were usually starving. Nothing like fighting to free the very “people” who would later undercut these whites in the job market. Or maybe the newly freed Bantus were simply “doing the jobs that Americans wouldn’t do”. Sound familiar?

Young Werther

I think these recruiters actually went to Europe to russle up these poor desperate men, can you imagine how many died!? Well the yankees might have won the war but they are still dealing with battles they never dreamed of…like Detroit, Cleveland, Philly, Newark, and on and on…we don’t have riots in the South, and more and more blacks are going North right now. The North will never stop fighting certain kinds of battles some say they brought on themselves.

Rhialto

From Martin’s description, this book is a good example of Feminist historiography. As such, it is a valuable in understanding modern American thinking.

If Prof. McCurry wants to study far better examples of female Civil War influence, she should examine the influence northern women on starting the war. While women had no direct political power, they had considerable influence in the Protestant churches. These churches were hotbeds of Abolitionism. She could probably fill a volume on the actions and accomplishments of Harriet Beecher Stowe.

Tom B.

You should read John Remington Graham’s “Blood Money, the Civil War and the Federal Reserve”. I have read more books on the Civil War than a freight train can haul, but this little 75 page book has some of the best information on the real causes of the war than any I have read. It was carefully planned and carried out by a handful of Northern industrialists who fomented hatred between the two factions. They backed the writing and printing of Stowe’s little piece of fiction with tons of money and mass marketing. To sum it up—it was a bankers war–an elaborate attempt to take over and control the U.S. economy. The South stood in the way of this takeover and had to be eliminated. Great little book—gives a deeper perspective on the complexity of that bloody disaster!!

AndrewInterrupted

Seems like the banks always have their greasy fingers in the gears.

The source of the last banking debacle looks to be mixed. Bush was blamed for signing derivatives and the media kept perpetuating it.

The derivatives portion of the catalyst now appears to have been signed by Clinton, a month before he left office.

Those sneaky media bastages.

LeGrandDerangement

Clinton’s man Rubin scuttled Glass-Seagall, before scampering off to Wall St for his bonus.

AndrewInterrupted

Lizzie Warren has been harping on the Glass-Steagall scuttling.

LeGrandDerangement

Probably one of the few things I agree with the Cherokee Princess about.

AndrewInterrupted

Yeah, same here.

I still remember one of the campaign stunts that Scott Brown pulled with her that was a laugh riot. He bought her a subscription to AncestryDOTcom.

Sounds reminiscent of some of the international pressure on South Africa’s white govt and the hagiography of Mandela.

Geo1metric

I think that most wars, at least for the last three hundred years, could be classified as “bankers’ wars”.

Young Werther

Have you read the letter Karl Marx sent to Lincoln upon his election?

Tom B.

Yes sir I have—isn’t it interesting that we were not taught these things in high school history. It is sad that people from other parts of the world know more truth about the Civil War than we do. I became obsessed with the history of that era as a young man–I am now 63 and continue to learn more all the time. I wish I knew how many books I have read over the years–most were propaganda though and it took a long time and a lot of researching to start getting some of the facts. Happily I can say that over the last 20 years or so we have begun to see some good literature and the truth is coming out. This has got to be the reason the liberals are frantically turning out so much anti-south garbage. If the American people learned the truth and found out that our government since 1865 has been nothing but organized crime–writ large–we might see an awakening they could not control.

Young Werther

The book you speak of sounds interesting. That reminds me, I have always felt the Radical Republicans were behind Lincoln’s death, after all the South didn’t benefit from it, but the radicals would and did. I guess I was trying to speak to the notion that in the end all wars are about money/power and the *the forces of power in power at any given time* who inflict these wars upon humanity for power and profit. It is interesting that what we are taught in terms of public education always represent those same *forces of power in power*. America’s current President has slyly chosen Bill Ayers (former Weatherman with blood on his hands) to a high post with regard to the implimentation of education in America. And of course the President himself is merely a pawn. But as to that letter from Marx, no I do not think it odd most people do not know about it. I am surprised you do. The history of the world, even the history of our country contains so much *information* not to mention propaganda, and then again simple points of view who can know it all? It can’t be taught. It is such a complicated thing, history. How can it be written objectively? Robert Penn Warren said history should be forgotten and each generation should start anew. But then he changed his mind a number of times about a number of things. Do you really think we are getting more *truth* now? I wonder. I do see the end of the American Civil War as the most radical expansion of Federal Powers/centralized government, and expecially the 1960s and ’70s with Johnson’s Great Society plan. It *should* have worked, and yet it did not. I think the *whys* of that failure very interesting. Yes, the South has been “sitting on the stool of everlasting repentence…” much too long.

Tom B.

J.R. Graham also wrote another very large tome “Principals of Confederacy” in which he states that yes Lincoln was killed by his own people–Edwin Stanton– in particular. Former president James Buchannan even believed that to be true. Lincoln, while he lived was a much hated man but after his assassination was literally deified by none other than Stanton and other members of his administration who hated him. True history is hard to find because objectivity is almost impossible–emotions get in the way of facts. The unique thing about the American Civil War is the interest it evoked from other countries. Tons of information and opinion from mostly Europeans are available if you look for it and that is where I get much of my info. They could be more objective because they didn’t really have a dog in the fight so to speak. So many letters written by military men and civilians who lived through the war are also good sources of finding the truth. I also have over the years just kinda sat back and studied human nature. The people of the South are very different from the North even though we sometimes share the same ethnicity. I don’t pretend to understand how that can be but it just is–once again its hard to be objective because my emotions tie me to the South. I honestly think that secession is the only hope this country has to get us out of this mess—power has to be wrested from D.C. or we as a nation are going to crash and burn and real soon. We are indeed living in interesting times–I think in the next five or six years we will see some very unpleasant things unless more people wake up to our plight–and waking up in my opinion begins with finding the truth about what really happened between 1860-1865. If I am wrong then tell me why the Ruling Elite are so desperately waging their war against a people who were conquered 150 years ago. What is it about that event that keeps them churning out more and more propaganda. How does it, or does it, tie in with the problems with black America, feminism, PC, and all the other liberal insanities that have transformed our nation into a cesspool of rankness. Interesting times indeed–hope we live through it!!

Geo1metric

The people of the South are different than those of the North because, I think, that more Southerners are descended from Scots-Irish and the Northerners are more from English.

The same old forever war between the Scots and Irish against the English.

Young Werther

Yes, that is one thing that must end in the name of unity.

Young Werther

Yes, Stanton. His hatred of the South was absolutely pathological, as was Thad Stephens. Hatred is an interesting emotion and a powerful *tool*. Like you, I could not begin to recall the books I have read on this topic alone. You are right, many European folk know a good deal about our Civil War. I would venture to say that holding a total unbiased view point is inherenty impossible, and for many simply undesirable. I must say that I try to be as objective as possible for the simple reason that it appears to me to be irrational to do other wise. But, my dna seems to fight me constantly, and that might not be so very bad in some ways. My personal experiences cause me to believe there is a difference between people of the North and the South. The essential difference lessens with time and the mobility of individuals. An agrarian people do differ from and industrial people, and time has altered much of that for good or bad. Among the old people, we see a much clearer difference. I read Faulkner and I can feel it, I read Henry James and I can imagine it. Secession is certainly an alternative, and perhaps one that may happen whether or not one wishes it. Yes, *we are living in interesting times*! I am certain we are seeing and living very unpleasant things right now. I especially noticed it beginning in earnest and overtly in the early 1990’s. It is possible that I may have a different notion of *the Ruling Elite* than you. I see this, more and more of late, in terms of a *Hostile Elite* which may or may not be a distinction you might see or choose to see. To my lights I see this from a much more distant past, but certainly that movement/ideology was held by many European Industrialists and then American Northern Industralists(or I should say against the back drop of industrialism) and morphed again in the European wars against their monarchs, then moving to America leading especially up to WWI and spreading to America quite throughly afterwards. I was interested when I found out years ago that for a short while Karl Marx had his headquarters in New York City as the guest of Mr. Rutgers (founder of that college)…seems like it was in the 1880’s. To the South-bashing you speak of…it’s reoccurance began during the early Civil Rights Movement in the late 1950-early1960s, heating up off and on up to the 1990’s then and all out war of propaganda since. I think the latest resurgance has to do with the far left’s determination to destroy regionalism ( Southern Regionalism especially) in order to destroy it’s ultimate target, ie Nationalism. The ultimate uber target is and has been White Nationalism, hence the slogan at Harvard’s *Destroy the white race*. Once elements of nationalism aka patriotism are eliminated, then all national boarders can be wiped away…then the global empire of the world’s ruling elite will be established. The forces of power in power will stop at nothing to end white unity, seen and taught as the most evil force the earth has ever known…and it ties in with the application of Critical Theory of the very people and groups and institutions you mention. You say “How does it, or does it,(yes it does!) tie in with the problems with black America, feminism, PC, and all the other liberal insanities that have transformed our nation into a cesspool of rankness.” Yes, but to these forces this *cesspool of rankness* is their symbol of victory over the White Race Elite or simply victory over the oppressive White Man. I would simply say that IF the white race is evil and IF the white man is evil, then give me that to which I can at least relate! Ha…

Young Werther

I did reply…don’t see it.

Tom B.

That’s strange-I read your reply and now it has disappeared. Faulkner and Henry James!! that’s some pretty deep reading–been a long time since I read them. Sure hope there are books in heaven ( if I get there! ha!) cause I have been a voracious reader since a boy.

Young Werther

ha ha ha…what did I say?

Young Werther

It is below (at least on *my* computer).

Young Werther

Yes, that is a great point, but the idea is Critical Theory application to American History, and the promotion of multiculturalism (social marxism) and how better it is to continue to undermine regional identity…first we are tricked into being ashamed of our history on a local level (oh i am a southerner and we had slaves and o my i am so embarrassed to be from the south please forgive me) then on a national level (o woe is me i am american and america had slaves and i am so ashamed to be an evil white american of colonialistic ancestors please forgive my white privilege) to the point whereby American have no choice but to slit our own throats and build up the third world countries as quickly as possible and that also means bringing every savage element under the sun to this country at the same time we ignore America’s problems and send billions to fix the problems (that can never be fixed) of countries who hate us and plot to kill off all western civilization inside and out.

Tom B.

The South, to the best of my research, did not own one single slave ship. The people who brought them over here were primarily Dutch and English and our own New Englanders, mostly Rhode Island and Mass. . Many of the most prominent Yankee bluebloods got their original fortune from the slave trade. All that has been covered up by court historians like the lady above who get well paid to continue the propaganda. Also interesting is that it was, to a great extent, Jewish merchants who owned the slave ships in Europe. We have been fed a line of crap for so long it is hard to uncover the truth–but it is out there!!

Tom B.

Yes they have–if you doubt it just walk around the nearest Wal Mart and look at all the mixed babies being carted around by white girls. I do not consider myself a misogynist but I am a realist and it is what it is. The liberal Marxist brain-washing has affected our women more so than the men. It breaks my heart to see such a betrayal–the South used to have the finest women in the world but Oprah and other feminist trash have ruined us. A great and terrible price will be paid someday.

Lagerstrom

I don’t like the way the Professor is looking at me.

Lagerstrom

Let these useless clowns own ‘academia'; they can have it. The ‘real’ people should learn how to actually ‘do’ something and get a job. Don’t waste your time going to a college where you’ll get yelled at by an idiot such as Ms Prof in this article.

Brian

It depends on the university and the degree program. I was in engineering in the south, and only encountered one leftist professor. The others were either right-leaning or kept it to themselves and focused on the engineering material they were actually there to teach. I heard very little about politics of any sort.

Lagerstrom

Hello GM.
I’m from sunny Queensland. I remember the ‘Joh era’ well. I was a teenager during the mid-80s, but I recall the media (that is the ABC) was relentless on old Joh. The ‘F-word’ (fascist that is) was often invoked.
My friends and I often joked about ‘Joh the Fascist Dictator’ that just keeps on getting voted in.
It’s very clear what our ‘political elites’ think of us. Unfortunately the general public of Australia missed out on a chance of a lifetime to have some fun with Pauline Hanson.

Who Me?

Stephanie McCurry has a problem. She doesn’t realize that 150 years ago women had something called LOYALTY to their husbands and families. The only rebellion they staged had to do with feeding their hungry children. She really has no inkling what southern women of that era were like, and she has no business trying to say what “they really meant” at this late date and through her personal lens of feminism and race hatred. Her book is all about what she would like to THINK was going on, but the women of that era were strong women who would have done a lot more damage, in a lot less time if they had really had the mindset to do so.

Bardon Kaldian

You can’t fix stupid.

Young Werther

I don’t think the author of the book is stupid, just the opposite, and quite shrewd. It is never wise to underestimate the intellectual capabilities of an *enemy*. She no doubt will be the darling of the university historical lecture circles.

TeutonicKnight67

and Libtardism is beyond stupid.

Jack Burton

Women didn’t vote themselves because it was sensibly presumed that a woman votes along with her husband or her father, they vote for her. She has no need to vote herself other than to vote against them. Feminism is founded on the principle that women must be against men, it’s a treasonous and despicable mentality.

Young Werther

It would be sensible to presume that if the white women of the South had had the vote there would not have been need of the 3/5ths law, but then again if one white man had 2 thousand slaves, the vote of his wife and/or daughters might look pretty meager. Feminism in the late 1800s was a reaction to living in a society where they had to work in factories in the North with little or no economic power, and a great multitude of women after the Civil War had no husbands North and South. Modern feminism is altogether different and quite hostile to the white race. One wonders why the white man allowed the circumstances to exist that would bring about such a movement. The white man, perhaps unknowingly, did not raise the women of his own race quickly enough to be his equal, but waited until 75 years after the black man was given the vote over the women of his own race. Perhaps the historical white woman considered this a rank betrayal leading to the distrust of the men of her own race? After all, the only sure way to finally and forever put an end to the White Man is to DIVIDE the women of his race.

Jack Burton

Objectively, it’s other White men who are our worst adversaries, it’s always been so. You really think women and blacks could defeat us alone? That’s absurd.

Max Krakah

Race realist are “realists” because they acknowledge REALITY! There is a GENDER reality as well!!!! Men and women THINK differently!!! You can point to the fact that there are some staunchly conservative , race realist women all day long, it does not change the fact that most women will always think, and reason and vote LEFT. Liberalism is FEMININE thought, it is about FEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS, it is about CODDDDDDDLING, it is about making excuses for….. Conservativism and race realism is MASCULINE thinking!!!! Tell me why there are no women that come to mind when one thinks of speakers at the Race Realist events? If there was one once, she was statistically irrelevant. It is MASCULINE thinking. Men deal with REALITY, women deal with FEELINGS! MEN should run things for this reason.

Anna Tree

I agree with this one post again.

See why in my previous post, A multiracial individual.

Max Krakah

Thank you Anne, and forgive my using the word creature earlier. In McCurry’s case though, it is warranted.

Anna Tree

No worries, she does deserve your scolding. That didn’t bother me too: sticks and stones!
(The “education a waste of time” part was harsher for me: I love to read! If Jack Burton reads this he would say again, the least, that I am a nit-picking female heehee)

Did you read my “I am a woman…” post?
Good night!

Max Krakah

Yes, I read it, it was good. In the case of McCurry, education was a waste of time.

Tom B.

Right you are!

ViktorNN

Your left-right/feminine-masculine schema doesn’t make any sense when you look at the evidence of history. The furthest left governments in world history were run predominantly by men and were extremely masculine in every respect, from their popular culture to their extreme militarism. You would be hard pressed to find any more masculine governments in world history than communist national liberation movements of the 20th century. It’s just the truth, if the truth matters to you.

Anna Tree

I wonder if the female political curve ressembles the female IQ curve?!… More in the middle political spectrum but a bit more left than males (and less extremist left and right.), similarly for the IQ, more in the middle range but less in the extreme lower and highter IQs.
I wonder for the blacks if it is a bit too as well!!… Clearly more towards the left, more in the extreme left and not a lot in the right and none in the extreme right. And the whites somewhere in the middle between blacks and Asians.

i don’t know if I explain myself well, just wondering if there is order in what seems chaos… similar to the existence of big numbers controlling aspects of Life. After all, it does look like as per some research that political orientation has also some genetic components… It would make sense to me that the political curves would look like the IQ ones…

Max Krakah

an interesting idea

Max Krakah

The Nazi party was started in a gay bar, buff said.

Anna Tree

I don’t know if it is true and I don’t mean to flame anybody, just want to discuss the issue, I welcomed any rebuttal…: but I also read about this, that many overtly bottom homosexuals were indeed discriminated and put in camps but that some nazis were closeted top homosexuals and liked teenagers boys similarly to the Ancient Greeks.

Yes hyper masculinity.
But I don’t know about the overcompensation for a feminine self identity and the rest. I presume it can be true for some, but I would think that some hyper masculine guys are just that, very masculine straight men, what they call the alpha male. I guess I will have no opinion until I happen to read more about this explanation. Feel free to give me any links if you have.

I agree with the rest.
My husband do want my sons to go and play rough, and I do worry but let them do it LOL. I mean I think both outlook are complementary as long as the father has the last word… If that interest you, read this article “Love Isn’t Enough: 5 Reasons Why Same-Sex M﻿arriage Harms Children” by Trayce Hansen. It is a critic of gay adoption but I am not forwarding it for that purpose. It just list the differences existing between the sexes regarding parenting and claims they are needed for the children and for society, when in due form.

Max Krakah

Sexual attraction is always towards an opposite, or a perceived opposite. The French have a word for sexual climax “little death-petite mort”. It is a little known that the threat of death, such as being put before a firing squad, will often sexually arouse and sometimes cause climax. Sexual arousal and personal annihilation are intimately linked. Attraction to an opposite excites or arouses the same way the threat of death does.Union with one’s opposite implies self obliteration. A man will not desire another man unless he sees that man as an opposite of himself. Gays are well known to be much more narcissistic. They can have a dual identity and be in love with themselves. They can see they are male, but at the same time really have a female self identity. Whether one homosexual becomes effeminate while the other becomes hyper masculine may have something to do with which parent was the cause of the disorder. Did the child never separate from the mother- and end up having a totally female self identity, or did the child partially separate from the mother, but was rejected by the father- in which case the child would fixate on the masculine. In both cases though, they have a female self identity.

LeGrandDerangement

“JT is similar to the fictional father figures,…”
Who is JT?

Max Krakah

Jarred Taylor

Max Krakah

you may be interested in the book “reparative therapy” which discusses the subject of , and solution for, a female self identity as being the cause for male homosexuality.

Rachel May

Are you a Jack Donovan follower?

Max Krakah

never heard of him

Anna Tree

Well I just checked his wiki page and then read his website. Interesting! Thanks Rachel.

TeutonicKnight67

The Great Hero took care of all the pink swastikas on The Night Of The Long Knives.

ViktorNN

So for you, what would be an example of a perfectly masculine government from world history? The Reagan Administration?

LeGrandDerangement

Anecdote: During the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, when Hitler’s SS purged the leadership of the SA, Ernst Rohm was discovered in bed with his driver, and it wasn’t a fraulein.

Max Krakah

YEs, it is all detailed in the book “the pink swastika” which is available for free somewhere on line.

WR_the_realist

There is indeed a gender reality. That doesn’t mean that women are stupid and shouldn’t be educated. Yes, women tend to be more emotional than men. It will be women’s love of children that preserves the white race, more than any number of Amren speakers.

Terra Magnum Imperium

Hmmm, ever heard of Marine Le Pen?
Max it’s your statements like yours that cause women feel left out or of lesser importance in groups like amren, republican party, the conservative political ideology, etc. How is Race Realism only a male value? and not family value? White men and women are in this fight together…
Many of these so called liberal movements make themselves more appealing to women by offering them a voice.
I while I agree with that men are more aggressive and this would likely place them in leadership of a group both Men and Women are emotional, it’s the expression of their emotions that differ.

ricpic

I would imagine the women married to non-slaveholding farmers, women who were not economically secure even in the best of times, must have wavered (some of them) in their support of the war, not based on disloyalty or disagreement with the cause, but because without their men at home working their own land these women and their children had to have been in dire straits. How many non-slaveholding soldiers deserted after receiving distressed letters from their womenfolk? This we’ll never know. But the number may have been significant and a significant factor in hobbling the South’s war effort.

Young Werther

Most women of the South were in fact married to non-slaveholding farmers
. The wealthy slave owner with huge plantations was in the severe minority, but they were the ruling elite. The families of the yoeman farmers were hard pressed without slaves, so often their men left after a battle, went back home to work at planting season, and went back to their companies when ever they could, especially if they were fighting near their homes. This happened regularly. It was not called desertion, though there certainly were deserters. For most it was simply a matter of fighting a hostile invader and not an issue of slavery or states rights. Most of these people were not educated, few could read and write. It was a total agragrian world, so no need to be educated, that was for rich folk primarily.

De Doc

The title should have been: “Confederate Reckoning: Power and Politics in the Civil War South According to How Stephanie McCurry Wanted It to Be.”

From this review it seems McCurry started with a foregone conclusion and distorted any facts to fit her premise. A crappy display of historical inquiry, if you ask me, but this is the new norm in academia today.

Max Krakah

Yes, Universities are not at all what they used to be. This sort of mind would never ever have passed the first year of any college or university.

Young Werther

Not the new norm at all. There are new revisions for every generation…each one sillier than the one before it. I think I am going to sit down and write something really crazy and call it history.

jane johnson

Without blacks, they wouldn’t have had to.

Dave6034

I talked recently with a white Yankee who lived many years in North Africa. He said, “CNN has it all wrong; slavery there is nothing like 1850s Alabama.” To which I replied, “Aside from abolitionist propaganda, what do you know about 1850s Alabama?”

Conceding the point, he described a deep familiarity between generations of masters and slaves. When flood, drought, or locusts ruined the crops, a master did whatever he could to feed his slaves. One slave even emigrated to New York City and regularly sent money home to his master!

Max Krakah

done dat

Luca

I must add one point, it was not the Tuskegee airmen who won the war single-handed. You forgot about the Jewish/Gay/Lesbian underground fighters.

Max Krakah

and the stop light

Max Krakah

and the disco ball

Max Krakah

and jerri curl

LeGrandDerangement

I’m sure that my Quebecois ancestors had their own views of the sweet paradise inhabited by the Iroquois.

Alfred the Great

What’s bad is that, in time, this will become part of the “official” history of the war.

DonReynolds

I have read all the comments posted here, but worthy of remark was the sense that slavery is gone forever. I would not be so certain about that. Slavery may well exist in the not too distant future as well. One must remember that slavery was actually an improvement in the human condition because it gave value to human life that heretofore had no value. The source of slaves was primarily war captives, the same captives that previously would have simply been massacred by the victors. Slavery, in this sense, saved a good many people from oblivion. I can well imagine a similar circumstance leading to slavery again. The question that remains is …… who will be the slaves next time?

Young Werther

I would say that the human condition of some slaves in America may have been an improvement over most of the slaves of the first African Slavers, the Arabs, and later on of plantations in the islands colonized by the Dutch,English and French, and certainly of those constantly caught in tribal wars in Africa. Though there are some fates worse than death.

Brian

I like the bit in the Civil War where the Redcoats show up.

Randall Ward

Another pretty foreigner who know all about the south in 1863. Gag me with a spoon.

Young Werther

pretty?

TeutonicKnight67

Blah blah blibbety blah…more revisionist drivel from the folks that brought us Glory and Red Tails. I can’t wait until atomic power is added to the list of Black Invention Myths.

Geo1metric

Some of us deny that a “yankee” does not actually exist, only “damn yankees”.

LeGrandDerangement

All mine were in Louisiana Cajun units. One of my favorites is Capt. Reynaud P. Landry, commanded the Donaldsonville Artillery, and was present when Lee signed the papers at Appomattox. I’ve seen written correspondence between him and Lee’s daughter, Mary Custis.

Jon

I agree there are good and bad white women so we should not lump them all in together. Those that stand up for their culture, country and race should be praised and cherished.

Young Werther

There are good and bad white men so we should not lump them all in together. Those that stand up for their culture, country and race should be praised and cherished.

Jon

I agree 100% because their criminals and unethical people in all races and we are no different. We should cheer the good ones on in our race.

Young Werther

hmmmmmmmmmm

Young Werther

Thanks for this review. I won’t buy the book but might check it out of the local liberal library (aren’t they all?). I didn’t think I could be surprised about much of anything, but this is a little bit of a surprise. Though, surely it was only a matter of time before someone came out with this unlikely scenario. But, how clever to use the women this way. Ha, if it had been up to the women of the South we would still be at war with the YANKEES. The men/soldiers were ready to surrender, they were wounded,hungry, needed clothing and suffering from starvation. Before and during the war there was opposition to slavery and to secession (General Lee certainly opposed sucession, and he was oppressed by the burden, the worries and concerns over his slaves as was Thomas Jefferson eariler with regard to his own slaves…the slavery institution was not embraced by every slave holder, and many simply did not know what to do about it. There were no answers!! Like having a tiger by the tail! A very complex situation.)by many Southerners, poor and rich alike. But to suggest that Southern Women and slaves worked to undermine the CSA is astounding. Many of the slaves ran FROM the Union Soldiers, not to them. I guess one would have to be born in Belfast (as was the author of this book) to have the necessary schizophrenic DNA components within one’s brain/mind to come up with this notion… and yes! Mr.Martin, I agree with you, certainly well versed in the far left ideologies including Critical Theory!! This is great, Thanks, I will print out your review to go with this book I (repeat) shall check out but will not buy!.

Young Werther

Not trying to start a problem, merely stating a thought about some facts. Considering the history of Belfast as well as N.I. there is no denying the hatred of the English runs deep within the Irish Catholic group…I wonder if she is I C…born in Belfast might be tough…hence the schizoid reference. I might place a serious bet on that…fits in with the hatred against the white man, the colonialistic impulse of his race…just an interesting observation don’t you think? And, odd too since the Catholic Church was pretty good at colonialization…though they had another name for it. (This does not have anything to do with WN…or does it? Now that I think about it there are some odd puzzle pieces…).

geralddmartin

Good points. I think her Northern Ireland origins have something to do with her bloody-mindedness, the ferocity she expresses about executing Confederate leaders for treason. Some of my fellow Southerners will disagree, but the South was in fact treated less harshly than the Irish or the Scots, whenever one of their revolts was crushed. McCurry’s failure to understand the difference between the American civil war and the various Scottish & Irish revolts against the English, reveals a lack of historical understanding. As I’ve said before, she’s more interested in finding real world examples on which to impose a theoretical template than she is in uncovering and interpreting the nuances and ambiguities of history.

Young Werther

“…her bloody-mindedness…” Ha, that’s great…though it is hard to imagine harsher treatment than over a decade of Federal Occupation in the defeated, vanquished South after The Civil War in America with a few millions of slaves dashing about voting for Northern Republican carpetbaggers and such, the Irish did have a rather bad run of it at the hands of the English for over 800 years, and certainly what happened to them might result in a collective archtype gone solo like the writer of this hoax, you have really made me want to read!

geralddmartin

As an exercise in “Know thy enemy,” Confederate Reckoning is worth reading, but McCurry’s prose is at best awkward, sometimes gibberish, and made worse by the peculiar jargon of feminist & critical theory.

One aspect of civil war history represented by this book which I didn’t mention in the review is the influx into the field by women. Most of what they write is in the same general vein as McCurry (though not as extreme), showing little interest in the battles & campaigns, and concerned more with “gender” or race relations.

I will address female academics in civil war studies in a later article.

THE TRAGIC ERA, by Claude G. Bowers, 1929 is one of my favorite history books regarding the Reconstruction Era. As a historian, most likely you have heard of or read him. Of this book he says, “That the Southern people literally were put to the torture is vaguely understood…historians have shrunk from showing us the torture chambers…I challenged the predjudiced interpretation of sixty years…”. *Sixty years* in 1929! These kinds of books are purged from libraries and the text has been out of print for ages. I happened upon this book in a library, long forgotten, in a very small town in Alabama. How thrilled I am when I find such gems. Even better, he was a yankee. Thing is, I went to the link you provided and listened and watched her in the 1st (of 11?) video, and I have to say that I don’t recall her saying anything that I would actually disagree with, and have a feeling she can hold her own quite well in debate, though certainly not against a military historian, though that would not be a valid debate since you say she argues the CSA’s defeat based upon what is clearly something other than military action. History is another one of those traditionally male dominated theaters women have had a hard time breaking into (certainly since the 60s and 70’s through Federal mandates they seem to show an eagerness to take revenge that even I can’t deny). While I wish them success I hate to see them or anyone make gains via the technique of critial theory. Perhaps, men should offer more support to women in this field who are saying the right things. (How do *I* know I am *right*? I just do!). Then again, it is now nearly impossible for men to get print for saying the right things, or certainly saying anything other than the social revolutionary multi-culturalist party line. She may have been born in Belfast, but she sounds altogether *American*, must have been educated in the public school system in this country which would explain her knowledge base, or lack of it…she might not be able to find Belfast on a map. I look forward to your next article…Sheila Hamrick, UAB/facebook

geralddmartin

I read The Tragic Era in college – excellent book. (Our prof was old school southern conservative, which dates me!) The two main “neoabolitionist” (they actually go by that title) historians of Reconstruction are Kenneth Stampp and Eric Foner. Both are Marxist. I will check out the YouTube for McCurry.

Young Werther

I was kidding! I did not really expect you to have read Bowers, much less to have been *taught* him, that is far out! Why, I should think his book would cause a riot if it were required reading today…ha! That is the good thing about being *dated*…the exposure to truth. You mean they *chose* to call themselves “neoabolitionist”?…is it a *school* ie the *school of neoabolistionist thought/theory*…hmmmm, makes sense and that reminds me; that might fit in well with that popular writer, Russell Banks’s book Cloudsplitter. It was given to me as *gift* (no doubt to upset me,ha!), so I read it with a view that the writer may be glorifying acts of terrorism by mentally ill abolitionists, thus rubber stamping terrorism today in its present form, and possible saying dang the Weatherman were right ! Then again, one can read it with an eye to what happens to people who are isolated and get carried away with ideology, become really crazy and all this told through the lens of the *unreliable narrator.* At any rate, perhaps people in general tend to formulate their personal ideas based upon fictional creations over formal history texts? As Ayn Rand illustrated her philosophy of objectivism through her fictional works (Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead). At any rate, Banks’ Cloud splitter made me hate John Brown more than ever in the role of hero/martyr, and caused me to have the first truly negative thoughts regarding Fredrick Douglas!!! Cloudsplitter also caused me to have suspicion about the agenda of Russell Banks. Tricks everywhere!

Young Werther

Most slaves could not read nor write, so in a sense they were as children in many ways…some few had notions of freedom, but most would have seen it in an imaginary magic sort of sense…the history of New Orleans and the special power of the quadroon women is most interesting! They *chose* the wealthy white man they would enter into a life contract with…These rich men did not get to choose them…a different world altogether.

Young Werther

The whites *were* literally displaced after the War. Some areas had a population rate of 4 blacks to every single white. The White Man died. The War left a generation of old maids, as William Faulkner put it. Many times former slaves listed in census records as *black male head of household* took into their homes white women and children in order that they might survive. The first census records for Alabama after the War illustrates this point. The Northern Republican Congress instigated much torment of the white Confederates by urging former slaves to uprise and kill all or what was left of the white race of Southerners. It did not happen because these slaves and masters did not have the kind of relationships imagined by people like Thad Stephens/stevens and other leaders of the RR in the North. After all there were millions of slaves in a not so very populated South.

Young Werther

I like that.

Tom B.

I will never understand how one can believe that using force to make a whole people stay in an uneven union is a good thing. Secession if you do the research was legal and was taught to be so before Lincoln took over. The eleven states legislatures convened and decided that it was in their best interest to PEACEFULLY separate from a sectional government that was proving itself to becoming more and more hostile to the South. The only reason Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union was so that he could continue to economically exploit the South so that he could fund his canals and railroads etc.. What the North did to the South was nothing but criminal–Lincoln was a criminal as were his generals that carried out his instructions. The Union army laid waste to the South in every way imaginable—Sherman had a wagon train loaded with stolen loot that stretched for FIVE miles and the other officers did the same. Reconstruction was about ten years of the same–to this day the Grant administration is considered the most corrupt in American history–and that’s saying a mouthful. I have studied the Civil War for over 40 years–top to bottom– left to right–and everything in between. There is so much propaganda out there to try to support what the North did but it all falls flat when you look at all the facts–that war was nothing but a criminal enterprise from start to finish. Northern financiers and the banks of Europe dreamed up that war and financed it and the heirs of that evil cabal are still running the country and they are still criminals.

geralddmartin

You refer to General Patrick Cleburne’s proposal to the senior leadership of the Army of Tennessee, in December of 1863. (The text of his proposal is online.) McCurry does address this subject in her book. It brings up the question: would white Southerners have been willing to free the slaves in order to secure independence for the Confederacy? Some whites definitely were willing, though others (especially large slaveholders) were opposed. Robert E. Lee and many of the officers of his army were willing to fight alongside “slave-soldiers” by January or February of 1865, but by then it was too late.
Although it’s still controversial, I doubt the majority of whites would have been willing to free slaves to fight, because in Anglo-American law and tradition, soldiers are seen as members of the body politic and entitled to citizenship rights, and political (not social) equality. And the Confederacy was (IMHO) based, politically, socially, and economically, on slavery.
But we will never know for sure.

Young Werther

As an 11th generation Southerner, knowing a little about this topic, I would have to totally agree with you. Many slaves and former slaves did fight along with their masters and even in their places after death, but never would the CSA have considered arming the slaves of a Slave Republic.

Young Werther

cool

Biff_Maliboo

“broad set of [new] coordinates”

“Broad?”

Very sexist and disrespectful.

TeutonicKnight67

Even American slavery was a form of liberation. It liberated them from starvation, disease, tribal genocide etc.

Jim

Women and slaves defeated the Confederacy. Yes, I know, and the Tuskegee airmen won WW2, and the buffalo soldiers won the west.

History has become rorschach for a lot of people, even “historians”, as this book would suggest. They seem to think it’s legitimate to see whatever they want to see in history. And make of it whatever they want to make of it.

Young Werther

ha ha A Tory in Texas! Sound like a play from the mid to late 1800s…Was he from England? What fun. He must have been a spy. That really is beyond conservative…it must have been a wonderful experience! My ancestors came with land patents from the King, initally. I would have no problem being a Tory, especially on Wednesdays. Now, this dates me; My first college course about anything formally *southern* was called Southern Women, Myth and Reality. My prof was a Phd student under Bell Wiley (she worshipped him so plenty of required reading there, which I really enjoyed), and thought the Southern Woman of that period was the be all end all, so my experience was a good one. But I do not recall any negative comments about the CSA. I am not surprised that you think Women in the field of this area of history appear to be more intrested in *relationships* and not so much on military history. I would be surprised if it were otherwise. As I look back this might have been an introduction to the Women’s Studies movement, though it was not openly named as such at that point in time. It seems odd to me how hostile African American and Women’s Studies became in such a short time. The covert takeover was quick enough, but the hostile in you face stance a little un-nerving to me. Now the university has none other than CRT big shot Richard Delgado heading up their law school here! The thing about my history profs is this, one knew how to write a paper. Such sticklers for the tiniest detail!, I really respected that. btw I watched a movie based upon the play of Tennesee Williams last night…BABY DOLL…I don’t want to upset you but you really must see it if you haven’t,… i read the play long ago, but this depiction of the south, the white man, and his women and the outsider is really simply tooo much…(I would love to use it as an element of propaganda in a history course about the south and post-reconstruction propaganda. ) and the portrayal of the blacks of this era (late 1920s early 1930s)hanging about on the old plantation is downright funny (in one way) because, well, you will see it right off!

geralddmartin

My Tory professor was at The Citadel in Charleston, South Carolina.

Young Werther

Former military officer…yes, I see.

Young Werther

Hey, thanks for that link. I had lots of fun getting into all that last night. What does that say about my idea of a fun night!

Marc Hauser

She sounds like she makes some interesting points, but then takes them way too far.

WardKendall

This is yet another attempt to “revise” history in order to bring it more inline with today’s Cultural Marxist mindset. Feminists simply cannot stand the fact that the women of the past were meek, servile, and totally under the control of the society that existed in the mid-19th century – especially in the Civil War South. As for the negroes of that era we are talking here of largely racially-pure Africans, who were lacking the infusion of white genetics that were later to come about. Thus, with average IQ’s hovering around the low to mid-70’s there is simply little to no likelihood that large-scale slave insurrections could have succeeded, much less taken place.

In short, just another liberal fool churned out by the Cultural Marxist machine.

Young Werther

White slavey has never ended.

Young Werther

The women of the elite in the Plantations of the South, were for the most part, highly educated and spoke several languages. They had trusted black slaves as *bosses* over the field hands, so the women acted as CEOs of the large plantations. The planter class could have as little as 10 or 15 slaves while the larger ones (the elite) might have a thousand or two thousand slaves. “Slaves kept the economy running” because the economice system was based totally on slave labor. That is true. The slaves did not revolt. For the most part they feared the Union Soldiers as much or more than the white women did Often, the Union Soldiers gave the black slaves reason to fear them.

Young Werther

I decided not to read this book after all. I cannot use my time frivolously. I take your word for it. I would rather know which books you think are good accounts of this topic on today’s reading shelves. Textbooks or otherwise. I have read a few really good pro-South books, but often they are propagandistic in nature, which is ok since the best propaganda is always The Truth.