From reini at cpanel.net Mon Aug 13 12:35:10 2012
From: reini at cpanel.net (Reini Urban)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:35:10 -0500
Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <502956EE.9050907@cpanel.net>
Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious goal
for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks
(http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033).
I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC,
Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler,
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster.
I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which
became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42.
I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the
next Austin.pm meetings.
cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for
several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version
with 5.14.
B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter
language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals
already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125
But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not
too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to
optimize perl.
The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like this:
http://www.qore.org/
The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not
pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack.
Several ideas were outlined here:
http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is
tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would
be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe.
--
Reini
Register Now for cPanel Conference
Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
http://conference.cpanel.net/
From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 13 13:16:15 2012
From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:16:15 -0500
Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler
Message-ID: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Reini,
Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well as
the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers.
We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September
meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th.
Does that date and time work for you?
Thanks,~ Will
On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote:Your new
president Will posted something about his overly ambitious goal
for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks
(http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033).
I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC,
Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler,
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster.
I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which
became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42.
I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of
the
next Austin.pm meetings.
cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for
several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C
version
with 5.14.
B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter
language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy
proposals
already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125
But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm
not
too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to
optimize perl.
The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like
this:
http://www.qore.org/
The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not
pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time
stack.
Several ideas were outlined here:
http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is
tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September
would
be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe.
--
Reini
Register Now for cPanel Conference
Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
http://conference.cpanel.net/
_______________________________________________
Austin mailing list
Austin at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
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From reini at cpanel.net Mon Aug 13 13:21:38 2012
From: reini at cpanel.net (Reini Urban)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:21:38 -0500
Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler
In-Reply-To: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
References: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Message-ID: <502961D2.2030107@cpanel.net>
On 08/13/2012 03:16 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
> Reini,
>
> Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well as
> the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers.
>
> We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September
> meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th.
>
> Does that date and time work for you?
Sure, I'll come.
Can you also ask Marc Lehmann to come, if possible.
He has the most insight of all p5 developers.
> On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
>
> Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious
> goal
> for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks
> (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033).
>
> I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC,
> Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler,
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster.
> I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which
> became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42.
>
> I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the
> next Austin.pm meetings.
>
> cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for
> several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version
> with 5.14.
>
> B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter
> language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals
> already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125
> But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not
> too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to
> optimize perl.
>
> The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like
> this:
> http://www.qore.org/
> The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not
> pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack.
> Several ideas were outlined here:
> http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
>
> In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is
> tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would
> be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe.
> --
> Reini
>
> Register Now for cPanel Conference
> Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
> http://conference.cpanel.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
--
Reini
Register Now for cPanel Conference
Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
http://conference.cpanel.net/
From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 13 13:36:11 2012
From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:36:11 -0500
Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler
Message-ID: <20120813203612.20B98A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Reini, Mark Lehmann is now the Vice President of the Austin Perl
Mongers. I assume he will be at the September 26th meeting unless he
has some other pre-existing plans.
Mark, we await your confirmation of availability for the September
meeting.
Thanks,~ Will
On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Reini Urban wrote:On
08/13/2012 03:16 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
> Reini,
>
> Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well
as
> the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers.
>
> We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September
> meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th.
>
> Does that date and time work for you?
Sure, I'll come.
Can you also ask Marc Lehmann to come, if possible.
He has the most insight of all p5 developers.
> On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote:
>
> Your new president Will posted something about his overly
ambitious
> goal
> for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks
> (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033).
>
> I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC,
> Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a
compiler,
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster.
> I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year,
which
> became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42.
>
> I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one
of the
> next Austin.pm meetings.
>
> cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production
for
> several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C
version
> with 5.14.
>
> B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally
tighter
> language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy
proposals
> already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125
> But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So
I'm not
> too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to
> optimize perl.
>
> The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks
like
> this:
> http://www.qore.org/
> The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should
not
> pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time
stack.
> Several ideas were outlined here:
> http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
>
> In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my
schedule is
> tight because there are many good films not to miss. So
September would
> be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe.
> --
> Reini
>
> Register Now for cPanel Conference
> Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
> http://conference.cpanel.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
--
Reini
Register Now for cPanel Conference
Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas
http://conference.cpanel.net/
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From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 11:55:18 2012
From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:55:18 -0500
Subject: APM: Meeting time / location
Message-ID:
Do we have a location for next week's meeting? I assume the 8p-10p time
slot again? I just wanted to put another Eventbrite event out there.
Thanks,
Jeremy
--
Jeremy Fluhmann
*http://twitter.com/jfluhmann**
http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org
Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org
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From wbraswell at hush.com Tue Aug 14 20:21:55 2012
From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:21:55 -0500
Subject: APM: Meeting time / location
Message-ID: <20120815032155.BA6B2A6E40@smtp.hushmail.com>
Jeremy & Mongers,
I've called around to find this month's Austin Perl Mongers meeting
place, scheduled for 8pm next Wednesday, August 22nd.
I am 95% sure we will be meeting in the private dining room of:
Reale's Italian Cafe13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750
http://www.realespizza.com/
I've dined at Reale's many times and can vouch for the quality. I
spoke to the manager today, and I will confirm the reservation with
him tomorrow, at which time I will send a status update.
The current August Austin.pm meeting agenda includes:
Jeremy: YAPC::NA 2013 Planning & LogisticsWill: Perl 5 Optimizing
Compiler & Trello Bot
Does anyone else have any items to add to the agenda?
Thanks,~ Will
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote:Do we
have a location for next week's meeting? I assume the
8p-10p time slot again? I just wanted to put another Eventbrite event
out there.
Thanks,Jeremy--
Jeremy Fluhmann
_http://twitter.com/jfluhmann_
http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org
Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org
Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org
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From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 20 16:26:17 2012
From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:26:17 -0500
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm
Message-ID: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Howdy Mongers,
This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting...
Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pmReale's Pizza & Italian Cafe,
Private Dining Room13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750(512)
335-5115
Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5
compiler.
Perling,~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm
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From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 22:07:28 2012
From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:07:28 -0500
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm
In-Reply-To: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks, Will. Here's the Eventbrite event - http://austinpm.eventbrite.com/
Looking forward to seeing everyone again!
Cheers,
Jeremy
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
> Howdy Mongers,
>
> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting...
>
> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm
> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room
> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750
> (512) 335-5115
>
> Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5
> compiler.
>
> Perling,
> ~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
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From mark at marklehmann.com Wed Aug 22 08:05:07 2012
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:05:07 -0500
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm
In-Reply-To:
References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Message-ID:
Guy's I cannot make it tonight. I got unintentionally triple booked for
this timeframe. Will, I'll try to get you your shirt before the September
meeting.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote:
> Thanks, Will. Here's the Eventbrite event -
> http://austinpm.eventbrite.com/
>
> Looking forward to seeing everyone again!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
>
>> Howdy Mongers,
>>
>> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting...
>>
>> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm
>> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room
>> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750
>> (512) 335-5115
>>
>> Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5
>> compiler.
>>
>> Perling,
>> ~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Austin mailing list
>> Austin at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
--
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512 689-7705 M
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From tmcd at panix.com Wed Aug 22 08:19:00 2012
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:19:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm
In-Reply-To:
References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting...
>
> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm
> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room
> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750
> (512) 335-5115
For convenience,
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Reale%27s+Pizza+%26+Italian+Cafe+austin+tx&hl=en&ll=30.447083,-97.788363&spn=0.030116,0.047336&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=55.628958,96.943359&t=m&z=15
http://www.realespizza.com/
More of an "About Us" story than I have ever seen before.
--
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
From fluhmann at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:37:06 2012
From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:37:06 -0500
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm
In-Reply-To:
References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Message-ID:
I'll likely be late. Trying to finish up at work and then will be headed
that way.
Jeremy
On Aug 22, 2012 10:19 AM, "Tim McDaniel" wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote:
>
>> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting...
>>
>> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm
>> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room
>> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750
>> (512) 335-5115
>>
>
> For convenience,
>
> https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=Reale%27s+Pizza+%26+Italian+**
> Cafe+austin+tx&hl=en&ll=30.**447083,-97.788363&spn=0.**
> 030116,0.047336&sll=37.6,-95.**665&sspn=55.628958,96.943359&**t=m&z=15
> http://www.realespizza.com/
> More of an "About Us" story than I have ever seen before.
>
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
> ______________________________**_________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/austin
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From wbraswell at hush.com Thu Aug 23 00:43:11 2012
From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:43:11 -0500
Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting Minutes
Message-ID: <20120823074311.94010A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com>
Howdy Mongers,
We had another great meeting tonight. The pizza at Reale's is
delicious, and their backroom is sufficiently private for our needs.
I plan to reschedule for the same venue in September unless something
better comes up in the meantime.
The meeting opened with a question about the status of Perl 6. That
was discussed briefly, and segued into my presentation about the Perl
5 optimizing compiler project. You can see some relatively in-depth
discussion (read: Holy War) about this on Perl Monks:
http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=987033http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=988109
Also of interest to developers and spectators may be the Trello board
I've created for this project, it is part of the Austin.pm Trello
organization:
https://trello.com/austinperlmongers
Currently, we plan to have Perl-compiling-guy Brian "Ingy dot net"
Ingerson come visit Austin for one of our weekly Tuesday meetings,
probably on September 18th. We will then have also-compiler-guy Reini
Urban visit for our Wednesday monthly meeting on September 26th.
The second half of the meeting was spent with Jeremy presenting about
YAPC 2013 to be held here in Austin. Jeremy is in contact with
Reini's coworkers at cPanel in Houston, who are graciously sponsoring
the YAPC event. Over the coming days and weeks Jeremy will try to set
up a dual visit where one of the YAPC guys can maybe drive over with
Reini for the September 26 meeting.
Since cPanel is sponsoring the YAPC event, Austin Perl Mongers should
try our best to be good local hosts and work closely with cPanel to
make this the most awesome YAPC ever!
Perling,~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.PM
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