I have been listening to radio shows and TV stations that decline to give CP any credit for drafting Johnson. Everyone seems to be saying anyone could have made the pick. And maybe so, once Johnson was there at #15.

BUT....

CP and gang had TWO players targeted for our pick at #15 in Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson. And as both of them continued to be there as the #15 pick drew near..... 9th... then 10th.... then 11th... then 12th... and finally past the Saints trade up to #13, we were assured of getting one of the two.

Leading up to the draft, most everyone was debating the merits of trading up by giving up a 1st AND 2nd to get into range to get Johnson. But, by having Johnson AND Davis as targets (and I truely believe Davis would have been an outstanding 2nd prize in this derby) we were able to set tight and let the chips fall as they may.

So thank you Thomas Davis for being a player worthy of allowing us to set tight and allow CP to do what anybody else could have done....

And thank you CP for having a plan B and not having to trade UP and waste draft picks as most here and there would have had you do.

Crush

04-25-2005, 08:41 PM

I think the Lions and the hype of Mike Williams deserve the real credit.

milkman

04-25-2005, 08:42 PM

It all sounds good Coogs, but quite frankly, even if Davis wasn't on their radar along with DJ, Carl wouldn't have had the ammo to trade up for DJ anyway.

If you want to give him props, then give him props for having 2 of the better defenders on the radar, rather than some project.

jcroft

04-25-2005, 08:48 PM

I think the Lions and the hype of Mike Williams deserve the real credit.

Yeah. Really we owe getting DJ to Mel Kiper for pimping Williams and Mariuce Clarett for letting Williams follow him into foolishness.

I think KC had more than just Davis and Johnson on their board. I'm sure they also had the top 3 CBs. Had Johnson been taken, I'm not sure what they would have done since Davis and all 3 DBs were taken.

Personally, I can't give Peterson too much credit for not f*cking up the most obvious draft choice that he's ever had in his life.

Skip Towne

04-25-2005, 08:56 PM

We only drafted DJ because he fell in our lap. To read any more into it is speculation.

carlos3652

04-25-2005, 08:58 PM

Can you imagine if we had a cb, dj and davis available @ 15... Carl would definitely trade down... Im not sure I can give him credit for picking the BAA @15... no brainer... I give him credit for not being normal and screwing up...

Chiefnj

04-25-2005, 09:01 PM

Credit for what? Not trading down to the Packers spot and getting quantity over quality? Credit for taking a top 10 pick who slid to 15? The Chiefs were well situated for getting an impact player at 15.

I'm just thankful as all hell that the Panthers took Davis or else the Chiefs would have a much bigger project to develop this offseason. I'll take the All American who played the position for 4 years over the guy who played it 4 months. I also want to know which dipshit scout/coach/GM had James as a top three consideration with Davis and Johnson.

I thank Peterson for having the sack to correct his massive misfire of the 2004 offseason. Good job squeezing 3 Pro-Bowl caliber free agents/drafts under the cap, good job giving up the 2nd round pick and good job not screwing up the 1st round of the draft.

Sure-Oz

04-25-2005, 09:02 PM

This was a no-brainer pick and they almost ****ed it up by trading down.

jspchief

04-25-2005, 09:08 PM

I think we should all give ourselves credit for not sh*tting in our pants today...

Crush

04-25-2005, 09:11 PM

I think we should all give ourselves credit for not sh*tting in our pants today...

A little too late for Crush.

Wallcrawler

04-25-2005, 09:16 PM

Ill tell you what I give Carl credit for.

Setting his ego aside, and dealing the #2 to Miami to get Patrick Surtain.

The pickup of Surtain was the biggest impact in this draft.

If Carl would have just kept the round 2 pick for spite, and drafted in his normal fashion just to prove a point that the fans/media dont dictate what he does, it could have been a disaster.

Then, not only did he deal the 2, he paid Surtain what he was worth, and didnt string it all out any longer with lowball BS.

Having Surtain onboard really took the sting out of those 3 corners being drafted in the top 10, thats for sure.

Because of the trade, we were able to take Johnson at 15, and rest easy with the fact that we werent sacrificing the secondary for help on the front 7.

Well, last week someone was telling me that Whitlock and Keitzman deserve credit for the Surtain trade, so if I were told ChiefsPlanet was responsible for DJ I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

tk13

04-25-2005, 09:23 PM

I still think the whole trading down thing is overblown. I don't think it's any big deal to at least answer the phones and listen to offers of people who want to trade down, you never know when somebody is going to make a dumb trade and give you too much. You'd never get any deals done if you didn't. Somehow this is got turned into not being interested. Carl's bullheaded.. he traded out of the first round last year for just a 4th or 5th round pick. If he wants to trade down, he will.

patteeu

04-25-2005, 09:27 PM

This was a no-brainer pick and they almost ****ed it up by trading down.

Link?

patteeu

04-25-2005, 09:33 PM

I still think the whole trading down thing is overblown. I don't think it's any big deal to at least answer the phones and listen to offers of people who want to trade down, you never know when somebody is going to make a dumb trade and give you too much. You'd never get any deals done if you didn't. Somehow this is got turned into not being interested. Carl's bullheaded.. he traded out of the first round last year for just a 4th or 5th round pick. If he wants to trade down, he will.

I agree. If Baltimore had called up and offered Ray Lewis, Chris McAllister, and their number one pick (22nd overall) in exchange for the DJ pick, it's nice to know that Carl would at least take their call and entertain their offer. I see nothing to complain about wrt this draft.

CP deserves credit for not trading down....if he wouldnt have drafted DJ with 15th pick I would have been so angry...its all bout how dumb Detroit is for drafting Williams when they didnt really need WR...

DaWolf

04-25-2005, 11:43 PM

For some reason I thought this was gonna be a Larry Johnson thread...

digi2fish

04-26-2005, 12:18 AM

Ill tell you what I give Carl credit for.

Setting his ego aside, and dealing the #2 to Miami to get Patrick Surtain.

The pickup of Surtain was the biggest impact in this draft.

that's right, it's exactly what in my mind.
DJ was a walk, the Surtain trade was the homerun of this game.

philfree

04-26-2005, 12:27 AM

Ill tell you what I give Carl credit for.

Setting his ego aside, and dealing the #2 to Miami to get Patrick Surtain.

The pickup of Surtain was the biggest impact in this draft.

If Carl would have just kept the round 2 pick for spite, and drafted in his normal fashion just to prove a point that the fans/media dont dictate what he does, it could have been a disaster.

Then, not only did he deal the 2, he paid Surtain what he was worth, and didnt string it all out any longer with lowball BS.

Having Surtain onboard really took the sting out of those 3 corners being drafted in the top 10, thats for sure.

Because of the trade, we were able to take Johnson at 15, and rest easy with the fact that we werent sacrificing the secondary for help on the front 7.

Actually we got Surtain and in a way Grigsby which is better the just trading the 2nd for Surtain. IMO Carl came out on top by the mere swapping of 5th rounders. WooWhooo :)

PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe

04-26-2005, 06:20 AM

This was a no-brainer pick and they almost ****ed it up by trading down.

No they didn't.

htismaqe

04-26-2005, 06:22 AM

I still think the whole trading down thing is overblown. I don't think it's any big deal to at least answer the phones and listen to offers of people who want to trade down, you never know when somebody is going to make a dumb trade and give you too much. You'd never get any deals done if you didn't. Somehow this is got turned into not being interested. Carl's bullheaded.. he traded out of the first round last year for just a 4th or 5th round pick. If he wants to trade down, he will.

It's just fuggin brilliant. On draft day, ESPN reported that KC had taken some calls regarding the #15 pick. Carl confirmed that, yes, they did answer the phone, but once they found out one of the teams wanted Johnson, talks were done.

Now I hear Keitzman on the radio talking about how the Chiefs "shopped" the pick.

It's really quite simple and easy to understand. All people have to do is quit bitching long enough to LISTEN.

Gaz

04-26-2005, 08:34 AM

Peterson deserves ALL the credit for drafting Johnson.

It is only fair, since he takes ALL the heat for every bad thing that occurs.

xoxo~
Gaz
Figures the praise should stop there, too.

KCTitus

04-26-2005, 08:38 AM

So if I follow this...KK and the boyz are now bitching about something that didnt happen? Classic...

jspchief

04-26-2005, 08:42 AM

Actually, to be technical, Peterson shouldn't get credit for much of anything yet. Until DJ actually produces on an NFL field, this pick is no better than Ryan Sims.