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All about EVE

In the great firmament of online gaming of which we, gentle readers, are merely the most minor of cogs in the great machine, there is one great truth that is widely held by developers and commentators alike. Men and women don’t play the same games.

Except, of course, that many of us do. Many games appeal equally to everyone – Bejewelled knows no colour, or gender, or age. Even among games that genuinely are more targetted, the population of Farmville isn’t 100% female. Women play Modern Warfare 2 and other shoot-em-ups. It’s also true that those of us who are gamers will often play the games our loved ones play, even if it might not be our first choice. Still women and men tend to favour some play styles above others, and many games on the market right now are directly targeted at either male or female fantasies.

The actual answer for CCP is to just finish the goddamn Vampire game already. Or alternatively, I hear that flowers are quite popular? EVE is a hard sci fi, hard simulation, hard business, hard PVP game. It doesn’t need to be softened to make it more mainstream. Anyway, in the far future I’m sure people can live without women.

Nope? OK. Let’s start by looking at some of the very basic reasons why women don’t play EVE in great numbers, and how they might be addressed.

1. Deep Space

Hard Science Fiction is not a genre that is heavily populated by women, either as writers or as fans. Series like Star Trek or BSG which do have a very strong female following do so on the basis of the characters and the culture, not the space ships.

To inject more storytelling and more NPC soap opera into EVE would really run counter to the whole sandbox ethos. EVE is based on a game world in which players make their own stories, even if they mostly consist of boring mining ops. So there’s the double problem of:

no one is really interested in other people’s stories

even your own story probably isn’t all that exciting most of the time

Some of this could genuinely be addressed with better social features. Players could have their own cross-indexed blogs. Or more background could even be inserted into the game world – even player created.

Imagine having an information console where you could pull up details of interesting events that had affected either places you visited or people you knew. There’s definitely scope for making the existing stories more accessible.

2. PVP

Women tend to prefer to cooperate rather than to compete in games. It isn’t that they aren’t competitive, but it tends to make them feel bad or even guilty. It’s just the way we’re socialised. So, we need to be introduced to PvP gently, in a way that makes it clear that everyone is OK with it.

Now EVE does have some relatively safe locations where a new player who wanted to avoid PvP could stay. But that won’t protect them from being scammed on trade chat, or subject to whatever that scammy can flipping thing is called. To encourage more women into a PvP game would need more enclosed, limited PvP environments. Or better tutorials, or mentors.

And they need to be protected from being duped into PvP when they didn’t intend it. A woman is far more likely to just dump the game after an experience like that.

3. Better social functions

The chat window in EVE is functional, but hardly one of the game’s better features. It also isn’t especially easy to find a suitable corps (guild) and if you try to do it via the new players channel, information will scroll past faster than you can easily keep up.

4. Small scale business, art and craft

Women have traditionally been heavily involved in craft and cottage industries. And a lot of people, when playing simulations, don’t want to play sim-corporate-empire. Or in other words, they aren’t hardcore and don’t want to be wiped out by people who are. EVE has a very comprehensive industrial and trading simulation, but it is also one that pushes players to think big and industrial-scale, not small and bijou.

It would undoubtedly engage more women if players could create or commission unusual items of art or craft. Things that could be made in small numbers and not just by playing the intergalactic stock exchange. Or maybe even pursue careers as space pop singers, or theatrical producers. This is drifting away from EVE’s usual purview but it is the industrial, impersonal scale of EVE crafting that puts a lot of people off.

I’m interested to hear how the new ‘walking around space ships and running your own shop’ expansion will pan out. Imagine a typical female-fantasy type enterprise: a small boutique fashion shop. Could that exist in the new EVE? They have mentioned fashion outlets and plastic surgeons but does that mean players may be able to trade something that isn’t a commodity? Could she run a crazy popular hangout and be known as the place to come to get all the gossip? Could a player commission or source enough unique and unusual items to make her shop an important hangout for intergalactic arbiters of fashion? Maybe even run her own fashion shows? Maybe she could. The link above highlights ‘custom, player made clothing’ as one of the features to be available.

Those sorts of roles in game would attract the female players who may not be interested in space piracy, mining, or being a queen of industry.

And then the question would be – how hard would it be for someone who just wanted their own little fashion emporium to accomplish that without having to slog through the gameplay that doesn’t interest her? And that is what we still are yet to see. (OK, my actual first question is “how long before the first brothel?”)

4. the newbie experience

A better newbie experience is good for all new players, male or female alike. But men and women do favour different learning styles. I’ve lost the link but I recall reading an article that described how female players were reluctant to learn a new game by just jumping straight into it. They preferred to practice a small piece at a time and get comfortable with that before progressing to the next stage. They were more risk averse, and strongly disliked feeling rushed or pushed through a tutorial more quickly than they had wanted to go.

So even if a woman isn’t put off by the deep space theme, hardcore reputation, and notoriously steep learning curve, the EVE newbie experience is still a scary and lonely place to be. Especially to someone who isn’t a hardcore gamer and used to just jumping straight into stuff, dying horribly, and then doing it again. Or making horrible newbie mistakes with skills and talents, and just laughing it off. Even the lure of player created frocks might not be enough …

EVE is a fascinating game. I don’t play it myself, but I can see both the appeal and the frustration whenever people write about it. I think the new developments are going to be very exciting, but asking how to attract more women might just be the wrong question.

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17 thoughts on “All about EVE”

I didn’t mind the pvp, the hard learning curve, the scifi theme or any of that stuff. I played the game for a few years, but what finally turned me off were the other players. The harsh environment makes a lot of them act like jerks.

I went to pvp and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, and that’s all part of the game, but then it was always associated with getting messages like “Ha ha ha I raped you a new asshole you noob!” and other such horrible things I really didnt want to hear about. People took it all far too seriously and reverted to being barbarians.

I don’t know if it’s something about PvP which brings out that side of people, but I do know that isn’t EVE specific. I’ve heard similar complaints about Xbox Live (which is one of the reasons I veered towards PS3 rather than Xbox), and there are plenty of prize specimens on the WoW forums too.

One thought I had, in the vein of your comments on bullet 4 above (the first 4, not the second 4 heh🙂 )…

Wouldn’t it be wild to allow for “war correspondents” in EVE? There could be varoius “EVE TV” channels which would be viewable for a modest in-game currency fee. These channels would operate as corporations and provide live video from battles and engagements around the game world.

If you wanted to be one of these correspondents, you would be specially flagged in combat as a member of the press, but other than that, you’re at the same risk as all combat photographers…you’re in a frigate…in the middle of a battle.

You’d get paid a fraction of the subscription money which would be negotiated between the correspondent and the corporation. Correspondents could spot a pirate attack and trigger a “breaking news” broadcast which could immediately supplant the video stream from other correspondents or have their video stream pop onto a list for corporations to consider running for a fee. It would create a ton of in-game meta content and new service industry type opportunity.

I don’t know exactly how that would work, but I love the idea of it. I think the notion of a cool in game news service (and I know EVE has very active newsletters, podcasts, and other assorted media) would be an amazing addition to a sandbox type game.

A fair amount of war correspondence does go on. There’s an organisation of in game journalists who publish the stories you see when you log in and occasionally one of them will feel intrepid and go chasing a big fight (such as the 49- fight earlier in the year).

The problem is they are targetable and just about everyone kills neutrals.

The other big source of war news is from the participants. Scrapheap Challenge has a decent sub-forum devoted to war news and the official boards have CAOD where people brag and propaganise each other.

So basically you are saying, that women prefer the more emotional and caring activities, driven by their complex neural structure between their brains involving both parts, which result in the inability of not being able to use the emotional part without the rational and vice versa?

One of the reasons why I cat stop reading your blog is, that you are a master in engineering complex comparisons within free-time activity.

No seriously, nothing to add to your description. You brought the basic differences in social structure, creativity, and cooperation rather than competition to live.

I can’t wait to show my girlfriend what how odd she is, playing Shooters. Even if I might end sleeping on the couch.

I didn’t say inability. I also didn’t say that we had different brains. But I do think that women have more barriers to overcome to really get into competitive gaming than men, and it’s partly due to the way we’re socialised and partly because most games are designed by men and aimed at male players (I mean, they don’t do this deliberately – EVE isn’t a sexist game for example). And a thoughtful tutorial can help them to overcome that and get a lot more fun out of these games.

I’d love it if they taught pwning in FPS to 11 year old girls at school. I think it’d do wonders for raising a generation of more assertive women😉

Sorry Spinks, I didn’t meant to drive you into explanation. It’s something that I worry about for while now, and I remembered how glad you reacted when Tesh talked about boys designing games. With that in mind, I forgot that humor usually becomes a victim of translation, and thought it was obvious that I state your point.

However, there is one point at which I would like to disagree.
From what I remember you are at LArissas age, so in the early 40s. Out of that View I understand your position, especially if I’m correct, that you work in a branch dominated by man, but in regards of assertiveness the trend is there.

Although I played a lot on my C64 and later on my friends Amigas, my girlfriend introduced me into the online world. Because, she is 6 years younger than me, and grew up with it, while I was in my Party live at that time.
Now my sister is 14 years younger than me, and grew up, surrounded by new media. The consequence is, that whenever she grabs a controller, I don’t have a chance.
On the other hand, she loses interest in those games, because of the reasons you mentioned.

Therefore I would say, the generation is there, but the market hasn’t responded yet.

P.S. My Apology to Tesh and Longasc in the eventual case they read this, for always bringing the market into play. I can’t help myself.

I think that people like Larisa and myself are pretty much at the leading edge of the female gamer market (I mean, in terms of age). We’re used to always being unusual, to people always remarking ‘it’s a girl!’ when we speak up on TS, and so on.

I think you’re right though, younger women are far more likely to have grown up with gaming. And it’s GREAT. It’s very very nice to be able to game in a mixed community with more even numbers of men and women. Even so, I’m willing to bet that online gaming communities which specialise in FPS/PvP games (eg, xbox live) are heavily male dominated.