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why is this even a thread? this lineup is awful. we have a minor league outfield, a pretty bad catcher (based on last year's woeful average from buck), and a pretty shaky infield. our offense is anemic

This is just the beginning. Let's keep it up. History is bound to repeat itself. Let's hope that this time it's for the best.

why is this even a thread? this lineup is awful. we have a minor league outfield, a pretty bad catcher (based on last year's woeful average from buck), and a pretty shaky infield. our offense is anemic

Our INF is actually decent offensively, Buck is an upgrade over Nickeas, Thole, and Shoppach from a power and runs production standpoint and we don't have Bay or Torres anymore.

Duda, Ike, and Murphy should hit better i would think next year even if Wright regresses some offensively and if they bring back Hairston there lineup should be similar to last year.

This team won 74 games with lights out and unrepeatable 2 out hitting for half a season, it is now worse thas it was then with the loss of a CY winner, losing Bay is a positive, but what difference is for ex. Cowgills offense over Bay's going to make?

Next to nil. TDA et al should be better than T(hole) et al, but again is that off-setting 200 world class innings pitched, is it ****. RA also saved the BP and could go deep is Hefner et al going to do that?

Nope.

The potential for an absolutely disgraceful season is right there, the potential floor is very low, just imagine if this team starts out slow and loses condfidence?

ugh...

I don't want to hear anyone complaining that this team stinks next season, if you're one of those people who are happy with them doing nothing again.

I on the other hand will be complaining until they start trying to win.

This team won 74 games with lights out and unrepeatable 2 out hitting for half a season, it is now worse thas it was then with the loss of a CY winner, losing Bay is a positive, but what difference is for ex. Cowgills offense over Bay's going to make?

Next to nil. TDA et al should be better than T(hole) et al, but again is that off-setting 200 world class innings pitched, is it ****. RA also saved the BP and could go deep is Hefner et al going to do that?

Nope.

The potential for an absolutely disgraceful season is right there, the potential floor is very low, just imagine if this team starts out slow and loses condfidence?

ugh...

I don't want to hear anyone complaining that this team stinks next season, if you're one of those people who are happy with them doing nothing again.

I on the other hand will be complaining until they start trying to win.

You complain?

Never...

As for this team being garbage next year, i think everyone realizes that.

65-70 wins is still where i would put them.

The bullpen should be better and the offense although was very good in the first half last year should be more consistent as a whole this year.

The rotation shouldn't be that bad either..

No Bay, No Torres, No Thole are all very good things especially if they get more consistency out of Ike, Duda (at the plate) and if they bring back Hairston.

I think Baxter will surprise some people. His high OBP. is certainly a positive.

As for Kirk, we'll see how he adjusts and i think Cowgill and Brown could also surprise.

Current Lineup: Is it Enough?

Originally Posted by rdg515

Here's one snapshot of what the team could accomplish if they made no further moves. It assumes Nieuwenhuis and Duda start to reach their potential and their defense is adequate, that Cowgill is a pleasant surprise, that Buck hits like he did as a 2010 All Star [23 85 .280] and not the .196 hitter he was last year and that the other four starters have healthy, normal seasons. A lot of IFs but if this is done there would be enough runs scored to rate in the middle of the pack. Just enough power and little speed. Adding back Hairston takes away a big risk if Buck stays below the Mendoza Line. I also want our CF platoon [Nieuwenhuis/Cowgill/Valdespin] to provide a leadoff hitter with some speed so we stop this one base at a time sluggish offense. Murphy and Tejada would alternate between #2 and #7 or 8th spot depending on the opposing pitcher/our leadoff hitter. I still would prefer a proven outfielder in case Dude and Kirk and the other kids are not all we hope for.