Video of Blackwater Contractors Driving Over Iraqi Woman

It implies many things at one time. Like I said - if I follow you around the park for a couple hours and also follow you home (to an apartment
complex)... are you going to chance allowing me into the elevator with you?

Maybe I'm a shy person who is socially awkward and doesn't understand the creepy factor my actions have. Maybe I just happen to live down the hall,
and it was all a coincidence.

Or maybe I'm planning to rape you.

The question remains... are you going to chance letting me in that elevator with you?

Maybe she was really stupid.

Social Darwinism at work.

Maybe she was blind.

Sirens. They make noise.

Maybe her burqa was in her eyes and she was deaf.

Surely, a deaf person would be more conscious of their impairment and make a more concentrated effort at ensuring the road was free of
life-threatening situations.

Hell if I know but there's in point in assuming she was bad and there's no justification for why the vehicle moved closer to the sidewalk
where she was knowing he was walking.

No one assumes she is bad. However, you are incorrect - there were objects on the opposite side of the street that the vehicle was drifting away from
to avoid.

You also must remember, this is a VIP escort convoy. They put wide berths between them and other objects on the road - since those objects are not
unknown to spontaneously explode.

There's also no justification as to why non of them at least slowed down to make sure she wasn't dead.

Do you allow me into the elevator with you?

This is the point: What could they have done for the woman? So, they see her writhing in the street as her nerves spasm following severe brain
trauma... or maybe they see a pool of crimson already seeping from her head. They can't tell if she's dead or alive by slowing down - and it
doesn't change what they have to do in either case: notify Host Nation. They cannot stop the convoy, and slowing down to get a better look doesn't
change a thing.

If she was concealing bombs, they would have detonated.

No, they wouldn't. Pulling the pin while continuing to hold the spoon of a grenade makes a nice impromptu dead-man's switch with a delay on it.
The grenade won't explode just because the person gets hit with a truck.

More elaborate personal bombs constructed of C4 are set off by very fast percussion. That is why a tube of explosives is used to set those off. You
can shock them, burn them, or pound them with a hammer all you want - they will not explode. It is only when that percussion device goes off that
those explosives will detonate.

Beyond that - she didn't have to be trying to blow the convoy up, herself. A car could have been waiting to pull up next to the convoy while it was
stopped with several 155mm artillery rounds rigged to blow in the back. A sniper or two could have been waiting to pick off anyone who got out of the
vehicles. A few people with RPGs could have been waiting for them to slow or stop long enough to allow them to score a solid hit. Something on the
side of the road could have been obscuring a bomb.

VIP convoys do this in America, too. I have seen a few hauling ass down the highways at ungodly hours of the morning. If I were to get hit by them -
they wouldn't stop. They would call emergency services and let them deal with it. They are protecting some high value target.

And it's not just Americans that do this. The British do it. Even Arab nations run their VIP convoys much the same way. It's SOP - Standard
Operating Procedure.

Don't defend these freaks in a real world we don't need private military firms it's a joke it's a way of the guys up the top doing their bidding
got them like hunting dogs, their karma will be judged they are running out of time to redeem themselves their are many normal security jobs in the
world but black water is an evil group

Originally posted by redneck13
Quality wisdom from a guy with Hitler as an avatar
Nuff said

Oh I get it.. you're the guy who comes to threads and immediately jumps on someone if they're not 100% rah rah America. I'm not sure if you have
ever served your country but I did.. so I think I'm entitled to have my opinion. You need to go back and read some history books because America
hasn't been doing things that are squeaky clean since we started. As far as my Hitler avatar goes it's a joke.. which is what I think of him. Stop
acting dense and taking things so literal.

edit on 8-4-2012 by 31Bravo because: (no reason given)

No, I am not that guy. There are some things about good ole USA I don’t like lately either. You certainly are entitled to your opinion people have
died so that you may have that entitlement. To compare the leaders of the US to the leaders of Iran is a ridiculous statement and anyone that has
served in the armed forces should know better. As far as your avatar goes, I have to give you a D- on the artwork because I cant tell if that is
supposed to be a piece of watermelon or fake lips. I cannot tell. As far as history goes kid it’s not on Youtube. However, your avatar is an image
of the most vial-disgusting human that ever stepped on the planet. There is not and cannot be anything humorous about his image, in fact it sickens
me. More than likely, he was responsible for someone’s death in your family. Sorry, I can’t find anything funny about Hitler
Here is the the score

You are meerly trying to defend and justify these contractors actions, the actual fact is that they swerved to the right in order to hit her. It looks
intentional, so why is it not intentional?

Uhm no im not and if you bothered to read my posts you would know this.

I am stating the article title is not what ocured in the video... She was not "run over" nor did the vehicles following the lead vehicle "run" her
voer either.

I am pointing out items in the video that played a contributing factor in the incident in addition to blackwater. Again I pointed this out in my other
posts but since you didnt bother tor ead them let me repeat them....again.

If you look at the video the lady walks into the path of the vehicle. As the video approches the intersection look at the traffic lights for the
intersection. They are all black because they are facing the opposite direction. Off to the right hand side of the video you can see traffic at a
standstill prior to the intersection as well as after.

This suggests the convoy was going down the wrong side of the road in the opposing traffic lanes. As I asked before, its not out of the norm for a
person who is a native to the area to know the traffic directions and flow. When you come upon a "one way street" how many people look both ways?
Some will some wont but the mindset is the same - why look in a direction where cars / trucks should not be coming from?

It was a VIP convoy and as anywhere else in the world where this occurs the same tactics are used. To remove the individual from any place where the
vehicle will be at a stop and vulnerable to attack. They had sirens going through the intersection, and the female ignored those as well.

My point is while tragic the incident does not look intentional at all.

I pointed out the veideo is from 2006 as well as the fact Blackwater was dealt with over this incident and a lot of others - 200 +/- counts.

There is nothing to defend since the incident is over with...

My issue is dragging up something from 6 years ago that has absolutely no bearing on anything anymore other than to try and spin it as it just
happened.

The fact they were still Blackwater and not the following to company name chages should have been a clue its been resolved as well but I guess when
people dont bother to read the info / posts details get missed..

heres the fact. you can argue the right and wrongs of this. the fact is, we should have never been over there in the first place. the situation
shouldve never been such to where we got people defending this kind of senseless brutality. we invaded. we did it under the mask of getting those bad
terrorists. so when it comes down to it, its their country and we have no right to go in there and drive around like madmen running into cars and
running people over. shouldve never gotten to that point.

That is why it is called war. People keep thinking like there is some kind of normalcy law and order. People get killed. You run your ass from one
side of town to the other in just this fashion or you get your ass KILLED. Move your ass or die. “Oh, a good jester would have been to help her
across the street.” What a bunch of morons.

We should have never been over there the second time. We should have finished Sadam off in the gulf war. You all can thank the United Nations for
running the show and leaving that tirent in control of an entire contry. If we didn’t do anything his sons were next in line. He should have been
been immediately and permanently removed when this happened.

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Originally posted by redneck13
To compare the leaders of the US to the leaders of Iran is a ridiculous statement and anyone that has served in the armed forces should know
better.

Oh I see.. so since you haven't served, you are the expert then right?

As far as your avatar goes, I have to give you a D- on the artwork because I cant tell if that is supposed to be a piece of watermelon or fake
lips.

Well that's really awesome.. but I didn't create it. It's an old animation made by an unknown author.

As far as history goes kid it’s not on Youtube.

What are you even talking about? When did I cite YouTube as a source for history?

However, your avatar is an image of the most vial-disgusting human that ever stepped on the planet. There is not and cannot be anything
humorous about his image, in fact it sickens me. More than likely, he was responsible for someone’s death in your family. Sorry, I can’t find
anything funny about Hitler
Here is the the score
AXIS MILITARY CIVILIAN TOTAL
GERMANY3,500,000 700,000 4,200,000
JAPAN 2,000,000 350,000 2,350,000
ROMANIA 300,000 160,000 460,000
HUNGARY140,000 290,000 430,000
ITALY 330,000 80,000 410,000
AUSTRIA 230,000 104,000 334,000
FINLAND 82,000 2,000 84,000
AXIS TOTAL 6,582,000 1,686,000 8,268,000

Again, I'm waiting for you to make sense. I don't care if you like my avatar or not.. the topic is about Black Water and throwing a bunch of numbers
at me from WWII, that you didn't even create a link for others to view, isn't making you look any more intelligent. I challenge you to go back to
school and study American History.. I'm positive you will have a different mindset about the way we (America) go about foreign policy and national
interests.

These guys were actually used on American soil? If I ever saw those guys bombing around my town there would be problems.

You know... I loathe it when ignorant people attempt to act enlightened.

Now, I am going to admit that I am about to make a few sweeping generalizations - but it is statistically likely that you woo and ah over "bitches"
like you would a model of car. Perhaps not in these exact phrases, but you'll refer to women as "slut," "whore," etc - without any
justification. You'll insinuate that a woman belongs with one orifice or another wrapped around a penis.

Male or female - you'll dance to music that reduces women to sexual objects and promotes an act of reproduction to be as casual as a handshake.

Now - I admit that's a sweeping generalization.

But from where I stand, the current course of our society is designed to enslave and subjugate the population to an isolated existence where familial
bonds do not exist. I see an entire generation of young men and women being destroyed from the inside-out.

What I see when I watch that video is locker room talk (more tame than the talk levied by your average sports enthusiast during the viewing of a game)
combined with a woman blatantly placing herself at risk by walking into oncoming traffic as though it doesn't exist.

Was the language and behavior of the contractors professional? Not in my opinion. But that hardly places them at fault - or makes them somehow less
human than the society that actively engages in setting its children up for failure.

My general point is this; It's america. It has to be justified for some reason or another... if this was a british contractor or a french one, you
guys would be all over it in a flash saying "outrageous".

The fact is, it happened as i said... there is video evidence of this crime... the other footage of these morons driving and crashing into traffic
because they can proves the mentality of these creatures.

It is always the same, "Do as we say but not as we do."

I rest my case, because as always you people will never debate or come to an agreement even when given evidence is supplied in video of an action or
crime... In america, it's okay to hurt others right?

Originally posted by mactheaxe
heres the fact. you can argue the right and wrongs of this. the fact is, we should have never been over there in the first place. the situation
shouldve never been such to where we got people defending this kind of senseless brutality. we invaded. we did it under the mask of getting those bad
terrorists. so when it comes down to it, its their country and we have no right to go in there and drive around like madmen running into cars and
running people over. shouldve never gotten to that point.

Dont remake history the reason we were there is they were not complying with UN resolution 687.This was what ended the first gulf war. In order to
prevent US troops from demolishing his armed forces and removing him from power he agreed to the UN resolution.

UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991

Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and
biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing
facilities."
Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or
manufacturing facilities.
Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles
with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."
Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.
Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that
the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.
Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.
Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.
Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.
Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

By the way its not like they didnt keep warning him there was 16 United Nations Security Council Resolutions.The reason you think it was about
terrorists is because you were easily misled by the press.The truth is they feared he was continuing to manufacture nuclear and biological
weapons.Because he would not allow inspections when he agreed to them during the first gulf war. Realize the first gulf war never ended it was a cease
fire agreement provided Iraq followed the mandates in the UN resolution.

After the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi chemical weapons and related equipment and
materials throughout the early 1990s. Then he started playing games with the inspectors.Having vehicles move equipent before the inspectors would
arive.Even went as far as blowing up building the inspecors wanted to look at because he knew they would find trace elements. Then they had an Iraqi
defector telling them about the biological and chemical weapons.Later proved his story was a lie but Sadaam kept throwing out inspectors and not
allowing the UN to do its job.

Now were you aware there were chemical agents found in Iraq? He kept trying to hide them they found some in On June 21, 2006 the U.S. House of
Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report from the National Ground Intelligence Center
on the recovery of chemical munitions in Iraq. The report stated that "Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which
contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent." And i can tell you for a fact in Fallujah we raided a chemical weapons lab boxed it up and sent it to
hq.They were making Sarin there and trying to protect it from US forces in 2004. The Bush administration made a mistake here let me tell you what
really happened.

The Bush administration was worried about WMDs stockpiles in the country there was civilians walking up with stashes of weapons.They figured that they
needed to deny the weapons were there hoping this would make it less likely certain groups we didnt want to have Sarin for example wouldnt show up in
Iraq.They were still very paranoid about the sarin attack on the Japanese subway it showed a massive vulnerability. Now they knew Most of the stuff he
still had was pre gulf war but they were worried about how unstable Sadaam had become. And even old munitions with sarin could do alot of damage to
the west. So they decided to play it quite untill they were sure they got it all and the media was used just not the way you would think.

Originally posted by InsideYourMind
My general point is this; It's america. It has to be justified for some reason or another... if this was a british contractor or a french one, you
guys would be all over it in a flash saying "outrageous".

Probably so, but don't worry because America will eventually lose world dominance and "you people" will be in the spot light and quite frankly, I
can't wait to call you the evil doer and money hungry country. I will live happily in a 3rd world country, hungry with barely enough internet just to
post a thread on ATS downing the evil French/British/China (whatever) empire. Give you a good taste of the ridiculousness of the statement you just
made.

The fact is, it happened as i said... there is video evidence of this crime... the other footage of these morons driving and crashing into
traffic because they can proves the mentality of these creatures.

What happened just as you said? You interpreted the video one way, and I see another. I see a lady that walked out into traffic, and your
anti-americanism attitude says the contractor was at fault.. ever occur to you that maybe it was a little bit of both? Probably not because you are
close minded.

It is always the same, "Do as we say but not as we do."

Really? Because almost every conflict that is documented since the league of nations (U.N. today) has essentially agreed (yes, even your precious
French and British).

I rest my case, because as always you people will never debate or come to an agreement even when given evidence is supplied in video of an
action or crime... In america, it's okay to hurt others right?

What's with the "you people"? So since I'm an American I'm not good enough to be a human being like everyone else on this mud ball? Wow, are you
really that hippocratic? As far as hurting others being ok, No. To say every American feels this way is the height of arrogance. British and French
are so quick to call Americans rude, but it is you who has been the aggressor already.. you should look down before you look up you know what I mean?
Practice what you preach my friend.

These guys were actually used on American soil? If I ever saw those guys bombing around my town there would be problems.

You know... I loathe it when ignorant people attempt to act enlightened.

Now, I am going to admit that I am about to make a few sweeping generalizations - but it is statistically likely that you woo and ah over "bitches"
like you would a model of car. Perhaps not in these exact phrases, but you'll refer to women as "slut," "whore," etc - without any
justification. You'll insinuate that a woman belongs with one orifice or another wrapped around a penis.

Male or female - you'll dance to music that reduces women to sexual objects and promotes an act of reproduction to be as casual as a handshake.

Now - I admit that's a sweeping generalization.

But from where I stand, the current course of our society is designed to enslave and subjugate the population to an isolated existence where familial
bonds do not exist. I see an entire generation of young men and women being destroyed from the inside-out.

What I see when I watch that video is locker room talk (more tame than the talk levied by your average sports enthusiast during the viewing of a game)
combined with a woman blatantly placing herself at risk by walking into oncoming traffic as though it doesn't exist.

Was the language and behavior of the contractors professional? Not in my opinion. But that hardly places them at fault - or makes them somehow less
human than the society that actively engages in setting its children up for failure.

The Humvee did sway toward the civilian a bit. Here is a few possibilities why.

1. The Humvee swayed naturally (sometimes people sway in traffic we all do) -this should only hold true if the driver did not see the civilian which
would be a poor excuse considering the fact that he should be extra aware of such things-

2. The Humvee swerved away from something on the other side and swerved toward the civilian in the process. (keep in mind that the Humvee did not veer
OFF the road and it maintained its course throughout the entire video)

3. The driver seen the civilian and swayed toward and hit the civilian on purpose. (this doesn't seem likely because although the Humvee did sway
toward the civilian it did maintain its course by staying in the road)

Now lets look at the civilian.....

The civilian did walk into the road in front of a large and very obvious amount of both civilian traffic as well as a military convoy.

1. The civilian did walk OFF the sidewalk and into the road.

2. The civilian walked into the Humvee after walking off of the sidewalk and into the road.

3. The person that was hit by the Humvee had walked into the road with a blatant disregard for a massive amount of traffic and thus was struck by the
front passenger side corner of the Humvee (not run over I might add).

I conclude that based on the evidence provided. The driver is NOT at fault. We don't know why the Humvee swayed toward the civilian slightly. It could
have been for many reasons but the fact is he stayed in the road so it doesn't matter.

The civilian on the other hand walked off of the side walk and into the road and into a large amount of blatant and obvious traffic.

This is a YouTube video given to us by the Young Turks. Here you'll see two videos of private contractors from Black Water in Iraq driving like crazy
men through crowded Iraqi streets. They have no respect for the laws or people there, so much so they actually run over on woman and the entire Black
Water entourage just keeps on driving.

If martial law were implemented in the USA I image it would look like this.

The mouthy bastard in the gun turret in the first video was entirely uncalled for - he needs to be sent home.

In the second video, I'd have tagged the woman too if I had been driving. No way in hell I'd have stopped and given them a pretty target for their
ambush.

Here's a tip: if that is what martial law in America looks like, don't try to body-block their vehicles. There are better ways to halt a column in
the kill zone of an ambush than walking out in front of them with your one and only body.

Damn shame looks like they got to you.
Anyway, from your last reply your mental level is about 15 years of age regardless of what your physical age is. Sorry I guess most of that message
went over your head. Last I remember, (I wont go back and look) you were ragging my ass because I believed you didn’t have any rights (boo hoo).
Like I just took a pacifier from a baby. I tell you, you do have rights and try to explain to you why. It goes over you head super genus. How many
millions of people died just in WW2 alone for your rights? Who is attributable to all those deaths? Your funny little avatar, by an unknown artist we
know why he is unknown (ha ha Hitler is so funny).. You want to squawk about your rights, but you have no idea how you came to have them and what
price had to be paid. In addition, if you look below the list of the millions of deaths Hitler was responsible for, you will see the sources for the
material cited. Look it up, it’s called research. On the other hand, are you siding with the Iranian leadership about to post that the holocaust
never happened? You should try mentally sparring with someone more on your own level at first. Just seems to me you are trying to play mind games but
you don’t have any ammunition. I guess this is my last reply to anyone with a Hitler avatar they should all be boycotted.

First, everyone jumps to the assumption that the person dressed as a woman is a woman. Everyone also wants to assume that the person driving the truck
was American. He operates the vehicle more like an Iraqi taxi driver. Who could get you on the other side of town quicker? From this video, you
don’t know but we are always the bad guys even though we wear white hats.

+ How many private security firms are working in Iraq?
No one knows the exact number of private security contractors that rushed into Iraq following the war. In April 2004, in response to a request from
Congress, the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) compiled a list of 60 different firms employing a total of 20,000 personnel (including U.S.
citizens, Iraqis and third-country nationals).

+ Who is employed by the private contracting firms in Iraq?

Here is a breakdown of the numbers:

50,000 support/logistics contractors
These are civilians hired by KBR, the Halliburton subsidiary which holds the military's logistical support contract. They work as weathermen, cooks,
carpenters, mechanics, etc. Most are from Third World countries and the majority are Filipinos.

20,000 non-Iraqi security contractors
Of these, 5-6,000 are British, American, South African, Russian or European; another 12,000 are from Third World countries, such as Fiji, Colombia,
Sri Lanka, and India.

15,000 Iraqi security contractors
Most of these were hired mainly by the British security firm Erinys to guard Iraq's oil infrastructure.

40-70,000 reconstruction contractors
Hired to rebuild Iraq. Some are Iraqis, but they're mostly from the U.S. and dozens of other countries and employed by companies such as General
Electric, Bechtel, Parsons, KBR, Fluor and Perini.

+ How much do private contractors get paid?

Money is a prime motivator for those working in Iraq. Guards for private security firms can typically make between $400 and $600 per day. Guards
employed by Blackwater, a high-profile American company that guarded Ambassador Paul Bremer, the former head of the CPA, are paid up to $1000 per
day.

+ How many contractors have been killed in Iraq?

The exact number is not known; not all companies report casualty numbers. In June 2005, when the film originally aired, Erinys said it had lost three
employees on its contract with the Army Corps of Engineers, and an additional 16 employees who were killed guarding Iraqi oil infrastructure. KBR,
which employs over 50,000 in the region, told FRONTLINE that 65 of its employees, including 16 truckers, have been killed since the beginning of the
war.

Update: In November 2005, Knight Ridder obtained insurance-claim statistics from the Department of Labor and reported 428 civilian contractor deaths
and 3,963 other casualties. However, the story quoted two companies -- Halliburton and L-3 Communications -- as saying their casualty figures were
higher than those reported by the Labor Department for their companies.

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