The Brown Knight wrote:All of these accomplishments are greater than those achieved by Toronto's core consisting of Sundin, Gilmour, Clark, Tucker, etc., etc. In fact, that core's greatest accomplishment outside of 2002, was their Conference final run in 1994 where they were defeated by the Canucks in 5 games.

Taking this all into consideration, I don't think it's becoming of you to hold a "high horse" mentality on here.

LOL treating him nicely Farhan...

Put it this way. Toronto has won 1 DIVISION title since expansion. That's a lot of piss-poor hockey. Remember, the pre-expansion NHL was less competitive than the CFL (9 teams) and the National Lacrosse League (9 teams). Huge accomplishment winning a Cup in a 6 team-league...

We're here talking about how divisional titles are meaningless (Canucks just won 5 in a row), and President's trophies are overrated (back to back)... the last meaningful awards the Leafs won were the Selke (Gilmour) and Adams (Burns) in 1993. Imagine if we were still thinking about Bure's Calder.

The fact that Leaf fans are gloating about simply getting into the playoffs is a testament to how poor of a franchise they've been. When the Canucks lose in round 1, coaches get fired. When the Leafs make the playoffs, thousands turn up in the streets to celebrate.

The Canucks might need to do a rebuild, they might need a re-tool, but they certainly don't need to take any lessons from the Maple Leafs on how to build a good hockey team.

I can only comment on what I've seen since 1987 when I first became a fan. I've seen the Canucks make 2 Stanley Cup runs and come within 1 game each time of winning. I've seen the Canucks win numerous divisional titles, 2 Presidents trophies, Conference Championships, and numerous individuals awards such as the Hart Trophy, Art Ross Trophies, Jennings trophy, Jack Adams Trophy, Selke Trophy, and Vezina trophy nominations.

A few years ago, I saw my team completely dominate practically every single statistical category in the league and come within a game of having the most dominant year in almost all of NHL history.

Island Nucklehead wrote:Put it this way. Toronto has won 1 DIVISION title since expansion. That's a lot of piss-poor hockey. Remember, the pre-expansion NHL was less competitive than the CFL (9 teams) and the National Lacrosse League (9 teams). Huge accomplishment winning a Cup in a 6 team-league...

Yep.

Island Nucklehead nailed it.

I mean seriously - The BC Lions have won multiple Grey Cups in the CFL, but there's only like 8-9 teams in the entire league.

Just by virtue of statistical probability, the Lions have managed to win Grey Cups. Out of all the CFL franchises however, the Lions have had the least amount of overall success and so it wouldn't make sense for us to brag that much.

Ditto for the Leafs in the oldschool NHL.

Yeah - these guys won Stanley Cups by sheer statistical probability, but how many times did they taste Montreal Canadien cock during those days? Les Habitants flat out destroyed the Leafs on numerous occasions and won way more cups.

The Habs probably do have a legitimate reason to be boastful if they chose to, but the Leafs do not.

Take it from me - A Blue Jays fan. I experienced my Blue Jays win World Series' in 1992 and 1993, but in no shape or form, do I dare brag about them at all today.........based on something they did over 20 years ago.