Like I said, you live in some sort of delusional world. Probably as a result of conditioning by mainstream media - the best and most free in the
world.

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If you have a few precious Minutes watch the second video after the 20 second advert note the plane position and note the impact location on the
plane, the missile could only have come from the rebel held area due to the splatter, everyone agrees except you that do in fact seem programmed by
RT and the Kremlin propaganda machines. Wake up FFS and smell the Coffee.

Like I said, you live in some sort of delusional world. Probably as a result of conditioning by mainstream media - the best and most free in the
world.

Think you maybe living in a Delusional world and time will tell . State media is much more likely to lie and push an agenda and you seem to believe it
all even after all the found out lies and conspiracy garbage. Shame on you for claiming intelligence and with not a thought for the 298 innocents who
deserve some justice.
If you have a few precious Minutes watch the second video after the 20 second advert note the plane position and note the impact location on the
plane, the missile could only have come from the rebel held area due to the splatter, everyone agrees except you that do in fact seem programmed by
RT and the Kremlin propaganda machines. Wake up FFS and smell the Coffee.

The 298 victims (if they ever existed) and their families do deserve justice - no doubt about it, i would be the first to agree with that. However
justice does not come by grabbing the first guy off the street and screaming he is responsible.

I have very good reasons to believe that this was a very well orchestrated falce flag attack, with a clear purpose to frame a certain country,
followed by a currently ongoing ordered investigation. This belief has nothing to do with Russian (or any other media) as all of you seem to
ignorantly assume - and no, I am not ashamed of my thoughts, and not afraid to go against popular opinion.

No hope with you then. Someone in Russia gave the go ahead for that big big mistake and they thought it was a Ukrainian Aircraft. The truth is out and
it will be backed up by much more evidence given time 298 children, women and men all innocents SHAME.

No hope with you then. Someone in Russia gave the go ahead for that big big mistake and they thought it was a Ukrainian Aircraft. The truth is out and
it will be backed up by much more evidence given time 298 children, women and men all innocents SHAME.

I have not seen one bit of legitimate evidence yet. Ive heard claims that evidence exists, but have not seen it. I will have no problems admitting
that I am wrong if I see evidence... Show me!

Shame is blaming and demonizing someone without KNOWING. Knowing and believing or thinking are two very different things.

The 298 victims (if they ever existed) and their families do deserve justice - no doubt about it, i would be the first to agree with that.
However justice does not come by grabbing the first guy off the street and screaming he is responsible.

I have very good reasons to believe that this was a very well orchestrated falce flag attack, with a clear purpose to frame a certain country,
followed by a currently ongoing ordered investigation. This belief has nothing to do with Russian (or any other media) as all of you seem to
ignorantly assume - and no, I am not ashamed of my thoughts, and not afraid to go against popular opinion.

So using Occam's Razor to eliminate all the evidence presented in the media, you have jumped to the conclusion that it must have been a false flag
attack, possibly using an empty commercial jet in the service of Malaysia, designed to frame a certain country. Please, give us a hint: Was it New
Zealand? Equador? Andorra? Please share all the evidence that has led you to this conclusion.

The fact that it was shot down by a Russian missile seems a good place to start. Unless you believe that the wreckage was an elaborate simulation, the
debris indicates that it was shot down by a missile, rather than having some sort of mechanical failure. The Donbass Fascists had been shooting at
Ukrainian aircraft, and have publicly claimed to have shot some down. The plane was approaching from the West, and could easily have been mistaken for
a Ukrainian aircraft by an inexperienced or panicked crew.

Remember, this affair was followed very closely here on ATS at the time. The various social media posts were analyzed, the Russian media's interviews
with "witnesses" examined, the sleuthing of Bellingcat and other analysts discussed... ad nauseum. No-one here is nodding their head and saying: "If
the media are saying it, it must be true." The simple fact is that time and again, Russia's "evidence" turned out to be implausible or palpably
fabricated.

Face up to it: Donbass Fascists accidentally shot down a plane by mistake and Russia's first impulse was to cover it up. What evidence can you provide
to the contrary?

1) Russian missiles are used by other countries all over the world. 2) the people of Donbass and fashism not only have nothing in common, but are
mutually exclusive terms, which can not be said for official Ukraine. So on this point, you are either very brainwashed/confused, or are deliberately
lying and twisting the facts. I don't know which is worse. 3) "could easily have been mistaken" is a possibility, not a fact. Usually
responsibility/blame is based on "fact" not a "possibility".

"Face up to it: Donbass Fascists accidentally shot down a plane by mistake and Russia's first impulse was to cover it up." A) - what evidence can you
or anyone provide to prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that this is a fact and not a mere possibility? B) this (even if true) does not prove that
"Russia or Donbass is behind the specific action of firing the missile and downing the plane.

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