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Apparently three days of debate was enough for what many senators called "the most important issue facing the planet."

With little chance of winning passage of a sweeping 500-page global warming bill, the Senate Democratic leadership is planning to yank the legislation after failing to achieve the 60-vote threshold needed to move the bill to the next stage. After a 48-36 vote on the climate change bill, the Senate is likely to move on to a separate energy debate next week.

The legislation collapsed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the poor timing of debating a bill predicted to increase energy costs while much of the country is focused on $4-a-gallon gas. On top of that, a number of industrial-state Democrats such as Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio were uncomfortable with the strong emissions caps that would have created a new regime of regulations for coal, auto and other manufacturing industries. Republicans, for the most part, held firm against a bill they said would cost billions in regulations while pushing the cost of gas higher. Seven Republicans, mostly moderates, voted for the procedural motion on the legislation while four Democrats voted against it.

Democrats did not go into the debate expecting passage of the legislation, but they did celebrate a marginal increase in support for the cap-and-trade system for emissions that was the centerpiece of the bill. Similar legislation in previous years did not even come close to getting 50 votes in the Senate, so Friday morning's vote was a moral victory of sorts. Several senators who missed the vote, including Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), would have voted for the bill, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said on the Senate floor this morning, meaning the legislation had the support of a majority of the Senate.

The debate in many ways was about setting the stage for a more serious climate change effort under the next president. While President Bush would have vetoed any cap-and-trade bill this year, both McCain and Obama back some form of mandatory emissions reduction, so this debate will gain serious traction again next year.

"We're getting ready for the next president of the United States, who we know ... will be hospitable to this bill," Boxer said.

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), one of the co-sponsors of the legislation, said the Senate had 54 votes of support counting the absent senators, "moving in on 60," and warned that opponents will be "on the wrong side of history."

Yet Republican opponents saw a Democratic majority that wasn't ready to fully debate the bill and endorse the long-term costs of the new regime of environmental regulations.

"The message is clear: The majority can’t abandon this bill fast enough," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "On the one hand, the majority says climate change is the most important issue facing the planet. Yet they’ve rushed the debate on that topic and brought the bill to a premature end. They brought it down before we could vote on gas prices, on clean-energy technology, or on protecting American jobs."

Brown, a liberal freshman senator whose home state of Ohio has been particularly hard hit by manufacturing job loss, seemed almost apologetic for voting against the bill. He called global warming "the moral question of our time" and said he supported a cap-and-trade system. But Brown said he feared that the cap-and-trade system as written would allow the United States to "export emissions" rather than reducing them because foreign countries without tough pollution standards would take the U.S. jobs eliminated under a cap-and-trade mandate.

The other Democrats who voted against the bill were Tim Johnson of South Dakota, Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, all of whom have significant industrial or mining industries in their home states.

UPDATE: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is trying to make political hay out of the issue, saying that "Bush-McCain Republicans" blocked the global warming bill. But McCain issued a statement read on the Senate floor that he would have supported the procedural motion had he been present.

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This bill is one of the worst or the worst that has ever been introduced in the Senate. They has the clerk read the whole bill the other day, and if you had been listening, you would have heard the biggest bunch of garbage ever written ,by Barbara boxer. If it had been approved, it would have created the biggest government boondoggles that has ever been put on the backs of the tax payer. It was so stupid, it should be shredded, with all copies, and sent to the recycling center for reuse.

Terrorism? Poverty? War? Dictators and Despots? Nope, the "moral issue of our time" is making sure the temp. doesn't go up a degree or two. hmmm...these guys sound real reasonable. I guess if you refuse to fight evil in the world, you have to divert attention to something, huh?----Also, the weatherman said it was suppose to rain yesterday and it didn't, but I should ignore that and believe Al Gore, when he says the world is going to come to an end because he's figured out the future weather patterns and settled all the science???

what a farce. thank god this bill was pulled.thank god. and yeah what about any focus on terror, world hunger aid, anything??? nope as said before, lets worry about the temp going up by one degree. come america, wake up to these laze bums collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary a year and doing nothing for it

this bill is the road map to UNITED NATIONS control over the usa.the dems will shove it down our throat next year and then there will be huge trouble in this country. and i mean huge. my prediction for the day.

"The moral issue of our time" -- exactly why I'm against this nonsense. Glaciers are melting in Greenland, exposing land where people have lived and farmed before, duh! Glaciers are melting here and there, um, but they are growing in other places. A volcano in Chile exploded, belching more global warming gasses than all the factories on two continents. Of course the celestial mechanics matters too: http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/publications.htm

I just get lightheaded everytime I see they want to destroy this economy, this country, and our lives........and they think they are doing good!!!!! This bill had to go down!!!! And thank you god it did!

wow, something actually happened that was good for americans. this bill failed. to all democrats, can you please do some good for america and not yourselves for once. quite getting rich at our expense.

What are we going to power everything with? Fairy dust? Elf magic?
They don't want coal-powered plants.
They don't want oil-powered plants.
They don't want nuclear-powered plants.
They don't want to drill for oil.
They don't want to build refineries.
They don't want windmills where they sail their yachts.
They have controlled Congress since 2006. I missed their solution for energy. Where is it? How is it that "Change" doesn't apply to the majority in Congress?
They want to tax the oil companies more. Any person with common sense knows those taxes get passed onto us, the consumer.
It's truly amazing that the people who came up with the brilliant idea of tying the price of food with the price of oil by using food for energy (ethanol), that has raised the price of food the highest amount in my lifetime, do not learn from their mistakes.
Why is it that the left wants to be like France, except for the fact that 80% of France's energy comes from nuclear power from over 80 General Electric power plants all of the same design?
How is it that we didn't learn from the 70s and Jimmy Carter?
Obama will be Jimmy Carter squared.
People keep pointing to European gas prices as evidence that we should feel guilty for being so fortunate for having much lower gas prices. The problem with this thinking is Europe's gas prices are high because the majority of it is taxes and duty. Their gas prices are that high BY DESIGN to keep people from using cars. They have very expensive rail systems there that cost billions and they get that revenue from all of the selfish people who want to own a car.
Why do you think the sales tax on a new car in Denmark is 180%?
This is the vision for America that the Democrats are implementing.

"Brown, a liberal freshman senator whose home state of Ohio has been particularly hard hit by manufacturing job loss"
Well hello caption obvious. This is why the bill should never have been drafted. If change is what you want, vote for these people. We'll get change. Our wealth will flow overseas while we fight the global warming boogie man.

I'm am so glad that the debate on global warming legislation is happening at a time when energy prices are rising so much. The damage that higher gas prices are doing to the American economy is something that every member of congress is aware of. And it will definitely make them think twice before enacting anything that will only cause energy prices to go up more.
Global warming is a lie and we don't need any legislation to "save" us from it. What we need is cheap, plentiful, reliable energy. That's what congress should be working on.

Term Limits! Over 70% of the public does not believe this nonsense about man made global warming. This is a path towards Socialism, a inconvenient tool to redistribute wealth. We can't fall for this scam.

When is someone going to proclaim the magic temperature we're suppose to strive for? Without changing laws Big Al and his ilk won't make big $$$$$ off their big SHAM!!! We'll thank them years from now when we're dealing with all the Mercury from the CFLs they've foisted on us!! Lord help us if the Dems get the White House!

That Harry Reid, he is a pip. More useless Democrats wasting everyone's time and energy on utter nonsense. More to come if more of them go to DC including the Messiah Hussein, corrupt pol from Chicago. Heaven help us now!

Thank goodness there is at least some sanity left. Who are these idiots? Let's keep it scientific then: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a theory (hypothesis). It is an unproven theory. What you do with theories is put them to the test with scientific observations. Let's see what data points we now have:
1) Average annual temperatures have not surpassed 1998 (NOAA)
2) Average annual temperatures are now trending downward since 1998 (NOAA)
3) Ocean temperatures have not risen since 2000 when the 3000 Argo buoys were launched. The buoys even show a slight decrease in ocean temperatures
4) The Arctic ice froze to February levels by December, there are 1mm more sq km than before (previous was 13mm sq km)
5) The Arctic ice is 20cm thicker than "normal" (whatever that is)
6) All polar bear pods are stable or growing (NOAA/PBS)
7) Mount Kilimanjaro is not melting because of global warming, rather "sublimation"
8) The Antarctic is not "melting", it is growing in most places, the sloughing off at the edges is normal as the ice mass grows
9) The majority of the Antarctic is 8 degrees below "normal" (again, whatever that is)
10) The coveted .7 degree rise in temperatures over the last 100 years has been wiped out with last years below "normal" temperatures
11) Al Gores film was just deemed "propaganda" in a court of law in the UK as many points could not be substantiated by scientists
12) It was also just reveled that some of the footage in Al?s film was CGI. The ice shelf collapse was from the movie ?The Day After Tomorrow? (ABC)
13) One of the scientists that originally thought that CO2 preceded the warming has now found with new data that the CO2 rise follows the warming (Dr David Evans)
14) Storms have become less frequent and less severe (many GW alarmists are now backtracking these earlier "theories")
15) Droughts have always happened and always will
16) The greenhouse effect is real, our small contribution to it cannot even be measured
17) Several publications, including those that are ?warmist? have recently written that the ?natural? cycles of the earth may ?mask? AGW. Give me a break.
18) 31,000 scientist have signed a petition against AGW!
With China (1 new coal fired plant coming on line each week) and India spewing millions of tons of CO2 in to the atmosphere, along with the rest of the world increasing their CO2 ?production? over the last ten years, these results should be impossible.
Now, please be so kind to give me one piece of observable evidence that man is causing "global warming".

"But McCain issued a statement read on the Senate floor that he would have supported the procedural motion if he was present."
The above statement should tell everyone what we can expect from McCain. If he supports this idiotic stupidity, what other mind boggling insanity will he support his fellow DEMOCRATS on? Everything!!!!!!!!
This bill is only one of a myriad of constant assaults on the American people. Designed to weaken our sovereignty and sell us out to the highest bidder! What shape will the next attack take? Our right to lock our doors at home at night? DON'T LAUGH! This idiot bill proves that scenario to be all too possible with either McCain or Obama!

Global warming just a plain old farce at the end of the day. Oh, by the way, UAW members, take note of how many of your brothers and sisters are getting laid off because of your Democrat Party tree huggers that refuse to drill for oil in the USA You think it is Bushy doing you in. Wrong!!! You folks are certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. More unemployment is your reward. Keep it up. Barack Obama will have you all on food stamps in the not too distant future!!! Hello "third world USA". Dummies to the maximum along with your braindead union leadership. Vote Democratic and lose your job!!!

Just more smoke and mirrors from the extreme socialistic democrats.
The bill was full of B.S. and pork, that only always the real world polluters to fill the pockets of people like algore and his carbon credit scam.

Why are you Politico clowns cheerleaders for these ass hat Socialists? You guys need to rethink your entire concept and go Libertarian or move to Russia, where your drivel and the Commies running the Government belong.

You reading Rush talking points against AGW are also going to be on the wrong side of history. A carbon cap and trade system will be an economic windfall for American business in the long-run, as we R&D and innovate new energy alternatives that come from Americans, not the middle east. It's a new Manhattan Project or Space Race. We have co-opted the future to arabs, yet concerns over the economy stop us from achieving energy independence. I don't get you people. Isn't our economy most in jeopardy when the price of oil is controlled by a cartel of countries that largely hate us? Besides, dealing with global warming is just a collateral positive externality of this whole thing. The bigger benefit comes from the creation of American jobs (both blue and white ... somebody has to build those windmills and solar panels), the bolstering of American education once more, as we invest in the sciences, maths, and engineering to innovate these changes, lessening other forms of air pollution that have direct health consequences (smog, particulate matter, etc.), and, of course, the national security of getting out of the oily middle east and achieving energy independence through our own ingenuity. Republican cynicism is disgusting. Why don't you believe in Americans? Why do you insist we keep going elsewhere to fuel our economy?

This bill is a crock.Every day the local station raises the price. Our problem is ,however , the Congress who has created roadblocks (laws) to prevent energy development. Why do the do this?. Who knows? They have chauffeurs and pool cars and NEVER SEE A FUEL BILL. They probably don't know how to fill their vehicles. Its done for them at taxpayers expense. And now they debate a cap and trade energy bill which will increase the cost of energy not the supply.
What we need is a completely new Congress. We can't wait for Bin laden to do this for us. We need to go to the polls in November and change out the incumbents of both parties. Who gives a damn who controls Congress when they don't do a damn thing for the people anyway. A completely new set of lawmakers could not do any worse. My proposal in November is vote against any incumbent. They have had their chance to do the right thing and many have lined their own pockets at taxpayers expense.

Amen, Dudesblog! I believe at one time, Ted Danson said the oceans would die in 9 years. Well, 9 yrs have come and gone and guess what? The oceans are still there and so are the fish. Meanwhile, Al Gore is spouting more bad science, gets awards for it, and he and the Dems are solidly behind the economy-destroying efforts reflected in this bill. The news media and talking heads know that if they say "blue is yellow" enough times, people will believe it. Why do you think they named that icy island "Greenland"? At one time it used to be green. Why do you think the Vikings from Scandanavia started marauding and exploring? They used to be farmers (as is evidenced by recent digs there), but the weather turned too cold to farm. Climate change is a natural occurence. It is a fool's errand to destroy economies built up over hundreds of years to counteract a natural phenomenon. I guess that make our Senate a bunch of fools.

One word: LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm glad to see that this Marxist piece of legislation failed. If Osama Obama and the Dems win in November, they'll bring this bill up again, it'll pass, and we'll all get the biggest tax hike in history. We'll all be screwed over!

Mike and Mysty,
You two dolts are bungling buffoons! You actually think that this "global warming" ******** will create jobs?? You really need to stop believing all the BS that comes out of the mouths of people like Algore and the rest of the enviro-Marxists.
And for a little education on "global warming", you might want to read this:
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm

While I'm not surprised that the intellectual midget and total coward Reid would try to lie (as usual) at least these morons put it away.
The crass arrogance and gross stupidity of forcing legislation like this through when the CAUSE HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED shows the foolishness of our leadership-less, inept and completely out of touch Congress (the worst in modern history, by the way).
Maybe, just maybe 'we', the people of the world are responsible for global climate change - then again, I find it difficult to blame 'man' for the global climate change that is occurring on Mars... so there ya go. But, you do not completely destroy an economy and an entire country to pass this idiocy based on flawed and incomplete research. If the global warming nazi's like that f'n idiot Gore actually allowed real, legitimate debate on this topic instead of trying to villify everyone who disagrees or even questions them then we'd probably have a much better idea of what is going on... but NOOOOOOOOOO. And, of course, our idiot Congress just wants to trash the economy and ensure that the American people are completely and totally dependant on gov't to survive.
It's time for about 50 million of us to march on DC with pitch forks and kick these leaches out of OUR CAPITOL!

They pulled it because if the Voters found out that they were going to raise fuel $3 and double or triple electricity rates, Obama would lose in November. National Genocide is the road this is on. Martians are "green" and look how many of them are left.

This bill failed because the Republican Party is in the pocket of the oil, coal and gas companies. These companies don't care about global warming or climate change. All they care about is the company's profit the next quarter.
When we have an Obama Administration and a solidly Democratic Congress we will finally put the Republicans and their shills in the trash can, which is where they belong.

It amazes me that the GW alarmists cant being themselves to the one solution that is available to us today and would be the greatest free market solution to reducing co2 emissions AND would get us GW skeptics on board - Nuclear energy. For the amount of taxes this cap and trade scam would hit the public with, the fed govt could build over 250 nuke plants and reduce our emissions more significantly than this debacle ever could. If the repubs cant win on this debate, then shame on them as well. Its time they challenged the dems to put their money where their mouths are and propose a govt supported fasttrack program to build 250 nukes, and ask the dems for an up or down vote on reducing our carbon emissions. If the dems voted it down, it would show they are not interested in carbon reductions, but only in big govt largesse that they can control. Its time for a showdown on this issue.

From Mike "You idiots reading Rush talking points against AGW are also going to be on the wrong side of history. A carbon cap and trade system will be an economic windfall for American business in the long-run, as we R&D and innovate new energy alternatives that come from Americans, not the middle east. It's a new Manhattan Project or Space Race. We have co-opted the future to arabs, yet concerns over the economy stop us from achieving energy independence. I don't get you people. Isn't our economy most in jeopardy when the price of oil is controlled by a cartel of countries that largely hate us? Besides, dealing with global warming is just a collateral positive externality of this whole thing. The bigger benefit comes from the creation of American jobs (both blue and white ... somebody has to build those windmills and solar panels), the bolstering of American education once more, as we invest in the sciences, maths, and engineering to innovate these changes, lessening other forms of air pollution that have direct health consequences (smog, particulate matter, etc.), and, of course, the national security of getting out of the oily middle east and achieving energy independence through our own ingenuity. Republican cynicism is disgusting. Why don't you believe in Americans? Why do you insist we keep going elsewhere to fuel our economy?"
Your post shows a fundamental lack of understand in how our economy works and the life cycle for development of the infrastructure and systems... not too mention repealing the legislation that the idiot dems pushed through to keep us from building new nuclear plants, wind farms, et al.
To bring these systems online and to gain any real value out of them could take 10-20 years... over that time our economy would be decimated, unemployment and gas prices would explode and by the time the systems came online it would be too late for the US to recover.
You make the ridiculous and wholly ignorant claim that Republicans don't believe in America when the TRUTH and FACTS show that it is the dems in general who are endangering the long term viability of the economy and the country. But then, you don't want to let a little thing like facts and understanding get in the way of your foolish, ignorant, uneduated and partisan rant, do you?

WELL ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE STOPED THE GEEN COMMIE'S , JUST BARELY BUT THEY WILL KEEP KICKING THE BACK DOOR UNTIL ONE OF THE UDERCOVER COMMIE'S GET INTO OFFICE.
THE PLANET HAS KILLED OFF EVERYTHING MORE THAN ONCE AND THE PLANET'S CLIMET IS ALWAYS CHANGING ,ALWAYS . BUT LIKE IN THE SEVENTYS THEY ARE RUNNING AROUND CRYING THE SKY IS FALLING WHEN THE REAL GOAL IS GREEN DOLLERS AND MORE GOVERMENT REGULATIONS ! THIS IS FUNDED BY THE ( OWL ) GORE CUBIC DOLLERS . REMEMBER THIS GUY ALSO INVENTED THE INTERNET ?? HOW MANY SHEEPLE BELEAVE HE DID THAT .IT SEEMS THAT THE MORE THEY LIE THE MORE THE SHEAPLE LAP IT UP , AT SOME POINT WILL ANY ONE WITH COMON SENCE WAKE UP AND SEND ALL OF THEM PACKING , I HOPE IT IS BEFORE WE LOSE EVERTHING THIS COUNTRY WORKED FOR IN THE FIRST 200 YEARS .

Martin,
Two items to note. First, the "majority" for cloture includes some Senators (Rockefeller, Tester, Nelson and Pryor) who were unlikely to be for the bill on final passage. They were willing to vote for cloture in this case (likely to help Reid avoid total embarrassment), but they aren't cap and trade supporters.
Secondly, you note that Tim Johnson has "significant industrial or mining operations" in his state. This isn't true. South Dakota has no coal mining or energy mining of any kind (ND does, not SD) and it has one of the lowest rates of industrial manufacturing in the country.
Johnson's vote was likely due to the rural nature of his state, and the fact that increases in energy costs (gas, natural gas, electricity) would hit his state hard.

Finally! What a joke we've become. Russians and China are drilling 50 miles off our coast, Iran is building 7 new refineries, Europe and China are building nuclear and coal power plants like crazy!!
The U.S. is doing nothing but voting on a bill that would limit our energy production and raise taxes. We're sliding fast into the abyss. Thank you for pulling the bill, to bad both candidates support it and we'll be screwed by this later.

VOTE THESE IDIOTS OUT NOW while we still have a chance. This is not the end of this. They are committed to economical suicide through legislation! Either they're too dumb to see it or they are so far out of touch that they can't. Either way VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Mike,
Bolster American education? You don't have kids do you? Becuase if you did you would realize teachers only teach certification test for our kids to be promoted to the next grade level. They spend zero time trying to actually teach.

Time to throw the bums in the House and especially the Senate OUT!!! What a bunch of self serving BONEHEADS!!! They are doing nothing to help any of us! The only thing they have on their minds is how THEY THINK THEY should be the President of the US. Look where the current candidates have come from? Need I say more? Time for another Boston Tea Party! Accept this time it's not Tea. It's with OIL!

Thank goodness, this fell on its face. America needs to realize this is a giant fraud that is based on unproven science. Government needs to focus on issues that matter such as protecting our borders or being fiscally responsible; this is just another venue for them to suck money from the people.

We must push congress to allow more drilling and general exploration for fossil fuel while we try to invent alternatives. Otherwise we could end up with nothing in ten years but a pile of wood for everyother household to last the entire year. Push for more drilling.

Throw them out...throw them all out. 90% of our leaders are either purely stupid or completely incompetent. Democrats are going to ruin America over their co-dependent attachment to socialism. You people need to get a f@#$%^& grip!

Hydro electric power is completely pollution free, yet these idiot environmentalists won't let us build more dams. It might destroy some bug, that they now say we should eat in order to save the planet. What fools.

Why do the members of congress keep getting re-elected. Since it is well known by their approval record that they are not doing a good job, who keeps puttin them back in office. We need to, we must, vote these people out of office. They have become disconnected from America and Americans. They are more concerned about becoming buddies with the UN and the commies of the world than they are about taking care of America. When did it become evil to be an American? Why do we keep voting in politicians that hate America and the American way of life. If we are going to be such pansies to keep voting them back into office then we are certainly getting what we deserve. I'm sure the common reason is that each one of us thinks that our elected representative is doing a good job, we just hate the job that all the others are doing. That's a crock. They are ALL doing a bad job, they need to all be voted out. Maybe we can just start over with a new bunch of people in congress and the white house, then tell them that if they quite listening to the people then we will vote them out too.
Please do me a huge favor, vote out every single incumbent in every single race because they all stink anyway.

can't figure out if you've got your heads in the sand or up your ***** how on earth do you people actually still believe that man made global warming isn't real? even bush finally admitted it... why can't you? and to the guy who said 70% of americans don't believe it either... check a poll or two before you make things up... you're actually in the minority (must be a weird feeling as a middle aged white guy.)

You know, when you consistently have one post every 2-3 minutes all with the EXACT same messages (including some of the points used by Republicans during the debate on the Senate floor), it get's fairly obvious that one person is posting all of them. So why don't you fess up?
I'm guessing you're an intern with either the Heritage Foundation, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, or American Petrolium Institute (or some other fossil fuel funded group).
I also bet you're really proud, becuase you get to dress up and tell your mommy that your doing high powered work in Washington, when in fact you spent the past 4 hours posting comments on one blog. Oh and by the way your comments are false, against science and the public opinion, and are not particularly creative. I really hope for your sake, you're getting paid well, because if you're going to prostitute yourself, you might as well make money. Congratulations, you're a swell guy.

This bill failed because the Republican Party is in the pocket of the oil, coal and gas companies. These companies don't care about global warming or climate change. All they care about is the company's profit the next quarter. When we have an Obama Administration and a solidly Democratic Congress we will finally put the Republicans and their shills in the trash can, which is where they belong.
Posted By: detroitred | June 06, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Did you read the article? There wasn't enough Democrats dumb enough to put their names on this piece of garbage legislation to even get it to debate. Big Oil only controls about 5% of the world's oil fields genius....The government makes more of the price of gas than the oil companies do..

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated S2191 (the "cap and trade" bill) will cost $1.13 trillion funded by revenue (a.k.a. taxes) of $1.21 trillion over the next 10 years. To put this in perspective, during the same 10 years the CBO estimated the war on terror will cost $1.1 trillion, slightly less than the climate bill. Hmmm... at least with the war on terror I know what I'm paying for; our military to kill the bad guys and keep me safe. What will my tax money provide me if the climate bill is passed? Well, the EPA says our GDP will decrease by 6.9% by 2050 and electricity prices will increase 44% by 2030. Wow, sounds like a good deal to me.... NOT!!!

zack: Please explain why global warming is occurring on Mars. Last time I looked, we haven't been there yet.
The issue of man made global warming has been debunked. CO2 is what trees use to produce oxygen, you know, the stuff you breathe. Trading carbon credits, and scientists afraid to lose their grant money if they dont keep the myth going, is all a fraudulent risky scheme, perpetrated by people like Al Gore, to tax the evil rich US into 3rd world status.

"Terrorism? Poverty? War? Dictators and Despots? Nope, the "moral issue of our time" is making sure the temp. doesn't go up a degree or two."----
The consequences of that degree or two would be horrific and would directly effect the UNITED STATES in a very negative way.

Global Warming is the wrong debate subject. Even if all polar ice caps melted and all coastal cities were flooded, it would not kill the human civilization: it would suffer immeasurably but adapt and survive. On the other hand, shortage of energy would destroy civilization as we know it. So, rather than debate the plight of polar bears let’s debate our plan to not run out of fuels that power our civilization. Let’s debate economic incentives and legal protection for wind power. Let’s debate freeing up the natural gas currently burned for electricity for use as an automotive fuel, to save precious oil for use in aviation and petrochemistry. Let’s debate massive investment in the science and technology of nuclear fuel reprocessing, breeder reactors and thermonuclear fusion.

Real scientists can't separate human influence on climate from the noise in the data so alarmists apparently take that as a sign to create more noise in the form of shrill rhetoric. I think before Congress or any politician wants to take my money to attack manbearpig they need to first be able to argue or at least listen to the science. Not Soros funded science, not blogs, not the UN global tax driven IPCC, but real science. At least get the top five skeptics up against the top five alarmists and battle it out. The oil companies don?t care about this other than the care about the state of the economy. They will just pass whatever cost is forced on them back on to you. It?s a bogus argument to say that "big oil" is the obstacle. They don't feel any threat to their existence other than your ability to pay for their service. Reality is the obstacle to AGW hype. At least with energy companies, you can invest and join them when they do well. Who benefits the most when Exxon does well? Pension funds. Oh how evil! We get much much less bang for our buck out of congress. Lets pretend CO2 is the great evil. Do you realize that we have outperformed the emission targets of countries that signed that abysmal kyoto treaty without any help from our government? So believe this religion or not, just keep government out of it.

Please, please, please America. Wake up and take the bull by the horns, and GW is a bunch of bull. Insist that we be allowed to do what it takes to become energy independent - 1. permanently dump the GW fiasco bill, 2. Allow the U.S. to drill in ANWR, off-shore and elsewhere, open up the shale oil deposits and give the go ahead for coal gasification, a la the military, & 3. build numerous nuke plants. If we can convince the knuckleheads in D.C. that this is the way to go and the environment will not be destroyed, then we will be able to tell the middle east to give all of their oil to China, India, etc. We will then have more than enough oil to sustain us until we come up with a viable alternative.
P.S. To Mike's post of 11:39 a.m.- you must be a college professor. For you to think that your suggestion makes any sense tells clear-thinkers all we need to know about you. Youe accuse thew Republicans of wanting to be dependent on M.E. oil, but what group is shutting down ALL of our domestic oil sources? Go ahead and say it Mike, its the DEMOCRATS, aided by liberal Republicans.

The sun is heating up the entire solar system. I propose a bill to eliminate the sun! Just kidding but you never know, one of the idiot congress people just might float that one. My solution, line up everyone in Congress against the wall and shoot them!

Posted By: Sick of Al Gore and his henchmen | June 06, 2008 at 02:42 PM

Insanity like this abortion of a bill is typical what we have come to expect from Washington. They seem to think that all problems will be solved simply by taxing us more and more, and then spewing the money senselessly or earmarking it to those who fund their campaigns. If nothing changes, we will soon need another revolution to rid ourselves of tyranny, one far worse than old King George ever was!

So they had no chance of passing it, but they wasted their time and our money doing it anyway. Go Democrats! How much does it cost to print 150+ copies of an over 1,000 page document they they already knew was landfill material? This alone shows that they aren't serious about climate change.
Worst. Congress. Ever... not just me - read the polls. Sen. Boxer introduced over 400 pages of earmarks alone. Classic. If the news was more even handed the clown s would be packing in Nov., but now I hear we may get more.
Anyone notice that the economy tanked after '06? Coincidence?

Wow!
To the posters who spew the lefty talking points of how great this bill would be for our economy, do you really believe this BS? Are you that stupid? A couple jobs will be created while the free market is crushed under taxes and regulations. This legislation would effectively destroy our GDP. Imagine a gallon of gas costing 8-10 dollars? Electricity and heating bills going through the roof. Do you not see what the price of energy is doing to our economy now?
It's the law of unintended consequences folks. Just like the brilliant scheme to make fuel from food instead of drilling for our own. What happened there?
The left is unwilling or incapable of seeing the destruction that their policies will envoke. As long as they feel good about what they are doing and gain some more power, it's a WIN/WIN situation. The most important thing is to get this garbage enacted ASAP so that when it's discovered that the planet isn't heating up or even cooling they can claim credit for saving the day.

It's hard to believe we're wasting our time with this nonsense. One has to hope that the Democrats are presenting such awful legislation as a feint, so they appear "environmentally-concerned", while relying on the safety-net of Republicans in the Senate to shoot it down.

Hey Republican morons who think Rush Limbaugh has more scientific credibility than every legitament climate scientist put together, fricken John McCain is supporting this bill. So either way come 2009, with likely increased Democratic majorities in both houses, this or something very similar will pass and be signed. Personally I don't believe Cap and trade is our best solution, but it certainly can work as part of the solution to solving the Climate crisis.

With all that hot air in one room they had to stop after three days!
Looking for a primary reason for the global warming craze... Someone, will make a pile of money. Probably, be blamed on Bush, while Democrats make millions studting the issue.
Global warming is BALONEY, and I am being kind in my wording.

Look beyond what this bill actually is. Its not about saving the planet. Its about creating tax revenue for the goverment. There is no scientific proof that there is actually GLOBAL WARMING happening inthe 1st place. We are still on the warm up after a minnie ice age. it takes thouasands of years for the temps to regulate themselves. They just want more of our MONEY ! Period ! They could care less. They all fly on private jets, drive SUV's, driver in motorcades and we the public are supposed to cut OUR emmsions. Give me a break. Im dissapointed with Joe onthsi deal. it hought he was a smarter man than that !

It doesn't matter if it is stopped this time or not this is about the next President. We have a media and education system doing all within their power to brainwash the masses combined with a Democrat controlled government mius the presidency currently. However in November we are left with McCain, a liberal psuedo Republican, and Obama an unabashed marxist and one world one people utopiast. Face it folks we're screwed. There are too many big companies (ie GE etc) investing too much money in seeing this bill gets passed to line their own pockets and you and I the average taxpayer just can't afford the kind of influence they can. This "global warming / climate change" thing is the biggest swindle I've ever seen. It's simply a scare tactic to make us succumb to a more parental government.

WHERE'S THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE AMOUNT OF $AUDI MONEY THAT IS FUELING THIS CROCK OF A MOVEMENT???
THINK ABOUT IT! IF YOU WERE KING $AUD, WHAT BETTER WAY TO KEEP YOUR BIGGEST CLIENT ON YOUR HOOK?
REMEMBER, GREEN IS THE COLOR OF ISLAM!

If you want to see how this eco-insanity plays out, read Under the Green Dome when it comes out. It's subtitled "a utopian myth". It took the author 16 years to write it, the buzz in publishing circles is it's this generation's Animal Farm. The conventional publishers are nervous as hell as it brings the witches brew of liberalism, marxism, and environmentalism to their logical conclusions. It is a deadly serious work of art, yet laugh out loud funny.

Lieberman needs a brain transplant. This is the wackiest of the wacky. With its failure I'm sure Al will have a Gorebasm.
With all the problems we now face, much less the specter of Obama and his camp followers to come, can there be any common sense? Not that we could expect any from "Across the Aisle John".

Democrats in Congress should pass legislation to permit drilling of oil offshore so we can increase the supply of oil, instead of this nonsense. What happened to the Democrats' promise of an energy policy? There is none.

This article is out of date and ill-informed. Anyhow, the conservatives should have run with this opportunity and made the cap/trade corporate giveaway bill what they wanted while they had the chance. Cap and trade is hardly an enviro dream and this bill was a chrismas tree for everyone but the planet -- command and control is tried and true and if there had been a democratic named sponsor that might have been made more clear. Hopefully the next version will be more environmentally friendly.

Don't worry, they'll reintroduce it in February if America is stupid enough to let them all keep their jobs. The next president, no matter who it is (except for Barr) will sign it.
If and when it passes, hold onto your butts. We will have a crisis like none of us has ever seen before. Nobody will be able to afford the cost of living increases. There will be food riots in the cities. Theft from farms will be a huge problem. Breaking and entering and homicides will skyrocket. People will lose their jobs, their homes and migrate south to stay warm in the winter. Gas will rise to $12/gallon, only affordable to the super-rich, if they get to keep their money. They probably won't because the feds will keep taking it for the influx of welfare cases across the US. We won't have to worry about illegal immigrants anymore because they'll all be better off at home.
If the terrorists want to make our country a third world nation, not only are they succeeding, WE are actually HELPING them. Fight terrorism - TIME FOR A TURNOVER IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. VOTE BOB BARR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU'VE WORKED FOR!
Why don't people understand that this is the direction the socialists want to take us? After all it EMPOWERS THEM. WAKE UP!
Read Atlas Shrugged. It is about to become non-fiction.

Those DUMB SONOFAB!TCHES in Washington had best not try to shove that STUPID global warming BULLSH!T down the taxpayer's throats!!!!!!! These SAME DUMB BA@TARDS that couldn't even figure out NOT TO VOTE for war in Iraq. THESE A@@HOLES couldn't find their butts with BOTH hands. These same dumba@@es that came up with a TRUMPED UP lame-a@@ intelligence report that tried to take the guilt away from themselves for voting for authorization of force in Iraq. WHY SHOULD WE EVER TRUST THEM TO MAKE A DECISION ON ANY GODD@MNED THING???

When will the mainstream silent majority of this country stand up and do what is right and lead this great nation into the future? Instead of takling about it, do something about it. Why do we accept this tyranny of the minority? 30 years is enough, you boomers have shirked your leadership responsibilities for far too long. Repay your debt to society by standing up against the left. Fight the good fight on behalf of your children and grandchildren. Follow in your parents footsteps, the time for rebellion from the "greatest generation is over" is over. It is your time to be the "greatest generation", don't let it slip away. Stand up, and save us all!

"Several senators who missed the vote, including Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), would have voted for the bill, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said on the Senate floor this morning, meaning the legislation had the support of the majority of the Senate."............OH MY GOD...WE ARE FRICKIN DOOMED. THESE IDIOTS IN WASHINGTON ARE HELL BENT ON PASSING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD CRIPPLE THE TAXPAYER BASED ON THE "THEORY" OF GLOBAL WARMING. AT A TIME WHEN GAS PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO GO TO $7 OR $8 PER GALLON. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE, PEOPLE. THERE ARE RIOTS IN THE STREETS RIGHT NOW IN INDIA OVER GAS PRICES, YET THESE DELUSIONAL FRAUDS THAT PASS THEMSELVES OFF AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE TRYING TO FINISH OFF THE USA WITH THIS SH IT. I SAY IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO STAND FOR THIS. WE NEED TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING. MCCAIN/OBAMA....SAME THING, DIFFERENT COLORS. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP, OR IN A FEW SHORT YEARS, WE WON'T RECOGNIZE AMERICA ANYMORE.

Let's see.....pass bills based on a theory, or actually pass something based on reality. Of course the Dems are going to take theory....reality has never been their strong area!!!
This country is in serious, serious trouble. Now in a few years, more of our hard earned money is going to fight something that doesn't even exist!!

I think it is time that all red blooded patriots seriously consider getting behind this issue. Toward that end I would like to offer the following four actions that I think can make to the situation acceptable to everyone including global warming/climate changes most ardent skeptics.
1) In light of the reported importance to both mankind and mother earth it should be required that those proponents of global warming/climate study solve the global warming crisis on Jupiter before taking any steps on earth. In doing that we can be sure of the benign effectiveness and economic viability of any significant steps that may need to be taken before we accidentally mess up our own planet and economies.
2) All new businesses that are involved in the solutions to these problems need be federally licensed not for profit enterprises, operated for the benefit of all humanity, not for individual shareholders. As presented by the global change/global warming proponents this is and issue that is far too important to be trusted to free market opportunists.
3) In light of the fact that this issue has been deemed that greatest threat to the survival humanity, any public official; international, federal, state, or local; found to materially or financially benefit directly, indirectly or cause or arrange for benefits to come to themselves, their family member, partner/s, potential partner/s, associates, or acquaintances to held accountable for crimes against humanity with penalties to be no less that life imprisonment due the importance of the this to the very existence of mankind.
4) If it is found that the claimed treats, or solutions implemented to solve said claimed threats, as presented by those organizations and their senior management that benefit from their claims and solutions, do in-fact prove to be intentionally, accidently, or thru unintended consequences more harmful than the claimed threat, be held directly and personally financially responsible to all humanity and be directly and personally responsible for full restitution.
After all, if we hold gun and ammunition makers responsible for the fact that someone breaks into a legal business, steals a gun and ammunition and then shoots one individual, then in light of the importance to mankind and mother earth we should surely hold each business entity and participating individual responsible make sure that all global warming/climate change solutions are for the benefit of mankind and not for the profit of potential charlatans.

John, of June o6 @11:16AM hits the nail squarely on the head. It would benefit Chris G., mudcock (yuck),Detroitred, the haughty, condesending Derek Brockbank, Mysty and other Obama shills to read this posting carefuly and with an open mind. Unfortunately, I fear this isn't possible for those who are so steeped in anti-American thought. It's all about destroying the U.S. economy and infrastructure folks, not to mention enriching ****ed-off Socialists like Al Gore and other global warming hoax profiteers. The Socialist/Communist interests have a perfect trojan horse candidate in Barak Hussein Obama and the bumbling, inept Democrat members of Congress in Pelosi, Reid,etc. Clueless posters like those just mentioned are absent mindedly aiding in the ruination of our country. The earth is entering a cooling phase as of late, so these gw snake-oil crooks have to shove this scheme into law quickly before they are exposed for the frauds they are. Don't fall for it America.

I would like to see our legislatures assess where government can cut spending, eliminate ineffective bureaucracies before developing new ones like the Lieberman Warner Climate Security Act, which is attempting to solve climate change through punitive measures that will impact American pocket books as well as business and industry.
The U.S. Government has a long history of trying to solve societal issues with government programs that has resulted in greater costs, huge bureaucracies and abysmal results in comparison to costs versus outcomes. Regardless of its good intentions, I wish the U.S. Government would stop trying to fix everything with a bloated and costly bureaucratic response.

...Why don?t our Senators study the past history of earth climate changes? They could not possibly propose such a stupid bill as S.2191 ?America?s Climate Security Act of 2007" if they did.
.....During the past 1000 years there have been 3 major climate periods:
1. The "Medieval Warm Period" (MWP) 950-1400 ad.
2. The "Little Ice Age" (LIA) 1400-1930 ad.
3. The "Industrial Warm Period" (IWP) 1930-2400? ad.
.....The Industrial Warm Period (IWP = my ID) we are currently in, could very well be a sequel to the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). If so, there likely will be another 1-2 deg F increase in the next couple of centuries. Based on numerous scientific studies, the MWP was a world-wide event and was a couple of degrees warmer than the IWP is today.
.....It is rationally normal for the current climate IWP period to be in a warming mode as a natural, logical consequence of the demise of the very recent 500 years of the Little Ice Age. The LIA was a very bad experience for those unfortunate to have lived during that climate period; with many millions of deaths from starvation and related diseases and plagues.
.....However, there are several drastic differences present in today?s global warming (IWP) compared to the most recent equivalent warm period (MWP):
1. There now are millions of humans living in vulnerable areas where there were none before. This very well may continue indefinitely and be the major source of BIG problems relating to climate induced weather changes.
2. Most of the infrastructures support of present human life was developed relatively recently; near or since the transition from the LIA to the current IWP. Water sources being one of the most critical.
3. Because of satellites, we now have worldwide instantaneous pictures and audio coverage of every unusual weather event. What in the past would have remained largely an unknown event, now becomes a big deal and/or a media exaggerated disaster; usually requiring tax payers subsidized resolutions.
...A 30 year earth climate cooling period should do wonders to squelch the current Anthropogenic Global Warming hysteria.

The democrat party and some of their republican friends will do anything, hold a hearing, issue reports, ..anything but try to solve problems...particularly problems for which THEY are responsible.
It was the democrats and their enviornmental friends who have prohibted any major drilling in this country (while China will be drilling offshore Florida), hamstrung the refinery industry with dozens of specialty gasolines for seasons, temperature, etc, and now Global Warming...an issue that they say will change the planet in fifty years...about which time most people reading this will be dead or drooling over their pablum.
Gimme a break...Do some real work guys...Stop bashing each other and chasing after "windmills" ...pun intended.
Joe Zollo
Princeton, NJ

Do You Understand why "ConGrass" has a 24% approval rating..
TERM Limits
Statesman/woman/ ship classes to prevent asses from "serving"...Themselves..
Revolt is brewing..Try to "CHANGE" That..Americans smart enough to know..and stupid ones tried of being B'f'ed by government are tired to death of this mediocre Sh.t !!!!!!!!

Time to take names an vote out any of theese folks, either party, who will NOT authorize drilling an new refineries. What are these folks thinking. Climate change needs to take a back seat to our economy an the little folks that cannot pay these high prices. From what I have seen on there blogs that sentiment of voting against these folks is starting to swell. Again today the President ask them to open up areas for drilling. Well if this is the kind of change they are offering us, I do not want it.

I can not believe that these dip stick Senators would consider anything like this bill, B.B was in her lafty glory talling tale on how good this bill was going to be, she reminded me of a 1st class yenta. Do any of the Senators that were for this bill have any idea on what would happen if it was passed, Now all of our candidates are for it so you do you vote for lol Plain old stupidity what about the American people are we chopped liver. Someone must be getting a healthy sum dropped into their campaign coffers.

Douglas Feith, Newt Gingrich,Sam Brownback,Jon Kyl, and Rick Santorum linked to the fabrication of bogus evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction by Iraqi intelligence agents working with Dick Cheney's office against orders from the Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department, and the CIA.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/40080.html

I had forgotten all about this storyline and how well it goes along with the ugly irony that Halliburton has oil field and pipeline contracts in Iran and that the war is little more than outrageously over-played corporate strategy to create exactly the chaos and calamity that has resulted from this most immoral adventure in order to gain the commercial upper-hand.

http://www.topix.com/news/global-warming/2008/05/green-tax-revolt-britons-will-not-foot-bill-to-save-planet.......
Global Warming..
May 3, 2008...
Green tax revolt: Britons 'will not foot bill to save planet'
Majority of Britons are opposed to increases in green taxation.....
More than seven in 10 voters insist that they would not be willing to pay higher taxes in order to fund projects to combat climate change, according to a new poll.

I read "It's not just us" post about Britons revolting against "green tax". Congress/Senate better BEWARE! Revolt is in the air here in the USA. If you keep trying to ruin the regular taxpayers with your hare-brained AlBoretheWhore-led fraud and money-making scheme called "Global Warming"....you are going to see revolt the likes of which you have never seen before. People won't stand for it long. Mark my words, congressmen/senators/presidential candidates. Do not foist this off on your constituents, or there will be hell to pay.

its great to read the dissatisfaction with this group of dolts that make our laws and spend out money, but instead of posting here where it matters little, write your representatives!! write until they get it or get voted out! we are the change these airbags speak of!!

This was a bad bill, but there ARE ways of reducing greenhouse gases and energy costs at the same time. I'm associated with Recycled Energy Development(recycled-energy.com), a company that turns manufacturers' waste heat into electricity and steam. That means greater efficiency: lower costs and pollution at the same time. The reason it isn't being done more is regulations give monopoly protection to utilities, making it hard for more efficient options to emerge. But energy recycling should really be at the core of any climate change policy, since it should satisfy both liberals and conservatives.

This legislation would be among the worst bills ever passed by Congress. I fear that it will return and pass and handcuff the great companies of our country. Why can't our government do anything right?

If B.Hussein O. stumbles and stutters his way into the Oval Office he will be BEHOLDING to the lunatic left that think global warming is FACT and not questionable pop science, and want to make a second world country out of the U.S. Why does the Lunatic Left hate the U.S.?

DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE PUSHING THIS BILL. IT IS THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE THE CAUSE OF US NOT DRILLING FOR OUR OWN OIL AND NOT BUILDING REFINERIES TO PROCESS IT. ALL YOU LIBS THAT WANT FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE FOOD, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HOMES AND FREE CARS WON'T GET ANY OF THIS IF WE DON'T FREE OURSELVES FROM OIL DEPENDENCY. WE WON'T HAVE AN ECONOMY TO PAY FOR ANY OF IT. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER WHO CAUSED ALL THIS. THE TREE HUGGING DEMOCRATS. THERE IS NO AND'S, IF'S OR BUT'S ABOUT THIS. IT IS THE DEMOCRATS.

I wrote to Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) stating that I was against this grab for power based on a hoax.
I got a reply that was arrogant (my opinion)and told that the senator disagreed with me. I wrote back that he should first view the "WeatherBlog1" at www.doityourselfweather.com before he made a judgment ... unless his motives were either politically motivated or intellectually misguided ... haven't heard back ... what a surprise.

We are losing jobs daily and congress is debating a bill that will push even more jobs to India. Way to go cogress. It will raise gas prices,food prices. Well everything that we need and want will go up because of this "land mark legislation" . On the bright side at least people will remember who was in power when our nation went in the tank.
If we really want to combat global lets just cool the sun down a few thousand degress. pretty crazy uh ? almost as crazy as us thinking that we can control the weather patterns.

The Global Warming Bill represents a massive stealth tax increase on the poor and the middle class. Cap-and-Trade would increase the cost of every good and service produced by our workers. Those who buy these goods and services would pay for this program through dramatically higher prices. The proportion of a poor or middle class person's income which would be absorbed by this hidden tax would be enough to force them into abject poverty. If this is what the Democrat's call "Change", we should all reject it out of hand. I do not want to go broke saving the World. I will not watch my family go hungry to save the polar bears or the caribou.

Not to worry. Next year with a
democrat president presiding over a
democrat congress they will cram it
down our throats, to hell with the
citizens.
We've still got some senior citizens
around who remember soup lines.

AlGore invented global warming. No, that was a movie he invented. I am surprised that there are enough people in washington left to keep us save from grobal warming
freaks. But hey you don't have to worry John McCain is just around the corner He will save us from Global warming. Both the DemoRATS and RebubliCONS are SCREWING the people. We need a BIG overhaul in how we find who will run this country.

There is no such thing as Global Warming. Remember when the next ice age was dooming us all less than two decades ago? However, this time our on homegrown Communist thought they could use environmental disaster to have us turn over our freedoms.
Its all hoax. I've studied the history of Weather patterns for thirty years. This lie must not be allowed to destroy our Country. Thanks to the Senators who stopped this travesty.

Once again we have witnessed how the nation's, no, the world's future balances on politicians playing in a sandbox unfamiliar to them. This is what happens when you have career politician lawyers playing scientist. Perhaps these self-interested, self-serving slaves to special interest groups, PACs and the like should sit down and actually read about the issues they support before they vote on them. In this case, I'd suggest starting with "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years" by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery. If we knew that they all had read this book, and they continued to support this nonsense the Al Gore is profiting from, we'd at least know that their votes were purely politically motivated and not just due to shear ignorance relative to the true science. Perhaps it's time for us all to try on togas; at least then we'll have dressed the part of Romans before our politicians do us in. Hail the onslaught of socialism! All Hail Ceasar Marx of the Democrat/Socialist party! Pathetic...just pathetic...

I want to say thank you to the editors at politico.com. Several other "news" organizations reported this story without mentioning it was the Democrats who stopped further action on this bill. Almost universally the headlines blamed the Republicans for thier obstructionism.

I think it is time that any new legislation must be voted on by the American people on election day. Washington does not represent our best interests. This farce of a globle warming bill should send a wake up call to the American people.

This is from Powerline.com
JUNE 6, 2008
WHO'S TO BLAME FOR HIGH GAS PRICES?
For several decades, the Democratic Party has pursued policies designed to drive up the cost of petroleum, and therefore gas at the pump. Remarkably, the Democrats don't seem to have taken much of a political hit from the current spike in gas prices. Probably that's because most people don't realize how different the two parties' energy policies have been.
Congressman Roy Blunt put together these data to highlight the differences between House Republicans and House Democrats on energy policy:
ANWR Exploration House Republicans: 91% Supported House Democrats: 86% Opposed
Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed
Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed
Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed
Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed
SUMMARY
91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.
86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas.
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It's time we open investigations on Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Charles Schumer, Barney Frank, and all these other idiots from the left. They are disgrace and an embarrassment to the United States of America.

What a waste of time this was. These people need to go out and get a real job, if there's one left to be had. Global warming is a fear tactic of the commies like Al Gore. Scare the people enough and they'll ask Daddy Government to take care of them.

Feel that strongly?
Do something...
Write a petition...
Organize a collective...
Get out of your house...
Stop the internet chatter...
Quit being scared, step out of ourself and make a change...I DARE YOU!!!! do something positive for one person tommorrow and see the benefit.. GO

We should start by rounding up Al Gore followed by every senator that voted for this bill...put them on trial and make them PROVE their case for global warming. They will not even speak with the 31,000 qualified scientists and over 9,000 PHd's in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties. Then, when they are unable to prove their fraudulent theory, they should be sent to prison for trying to rob the American taxpayers.

America, is it becoming apparent yet as to the real motive of the liberal democrats?
They couldn't give a hang about saving the planet, this is all about slowing our economy to a grinding halt so that they can present us with the only cure, democrat leadership.
Without creating a pallor of doom and gloom, what the liberals have to offer is about as marketable as trying to sell sand to the Arabs.
Our economy was doing fine for the last 7 years until the dems got a majority.
Since then it has been going downhill ever since and they aim to see that we reach the bottom.
This is all in an effort to force us to rely upon the government which is the worst thing we could do especially with them in charge.

It looks like the majority here reflects the majority decision in the senate. Thank God this load of crap didn't get passed. On a separate note - how hard is it to realize why our economy is the way it is?? Here is the answer:
Keep the jobs in America - you keep the money in America - it gets spent in America - Look at China - we exported our labor and they are thriving on levels not seen before. Look as us now - unemployment up - economy down - and we lack the funds to correct it because it all went overseas.
KEEP THE JOBS HERE -> here is the initiative: Make Alternative energy cheaper (mass American production) and build more refineries to bring the price per barrel down - and the cost of everything will go down as well.

I don't think we know if global warming is a problem although based upon common sense it would seem somewhat probable.
We could solve both problems (energy shortage and carbon pollution) if we initiated a massive effort to reduce the need for fossil fuels.
Start moving towards the use of nuclear or hydro for electrical generation supplemented by solar for residences and commercial.
Use combo of solar and geothermal for all heating and cooling.
Use of smaller hybrid battery powered cars.
Petroleum eventually would be used only for jet fuel, diesel for trucks, gasoline and in the manufacturing of products. Eliminate use of heating oil entirely for home heating and electrical generation.
We could eventually reduce our oil consumption to what we produce ourselves and leave the Middle East entirely. The side effect would be less carbon footprint and reduced energy.

THIS bill will ruin the economy? Hm I think Bush, McBush and their band of merry corrupt corporations already destroyed the economy...Government jobs are jobs...The more people with more money leads to more AMERICANS with more money to spend...But then again they are traitors to America and care more about India and China because they are a bigger market. I personally think that any American company that ships their jobs to America has a MUCH bigger negative effect than this bill trying to save the planet from GLOBAL WARMING...
Besides I am outraged that the GOPers abused the clerks for their political games...Next time they should read it themselves...Or are they too busy with a golf game to do their own dirty work. Talk about Elitest!!!

GOOD GOD, what if fluke momentum grabbed this bill during political jousting and it passed. For God's sake, did anyone even read it because its absolutely awful. It was not thought out, they did not incorporate any money saving policy objectives for the avg. american and the cost in money and manpower would have been unimagineable.

It took a while to read all the comments but I believe the general consensus is We the American people are fed up with the do nothing representatives in Washington who are taking this country down the tube a an increased acceleration. We need to kick every one of the bum's out of Washington and start all over again with some fresh faces. It could'nt be any worse than what we have now.Either presidential candidate would be any better than our Congress so I believe we need to elect someone from an Independent party such as Mr. Barr. At least he does'nt support this crap of global warming that these idiots in Washington seem to be perpatrating for Mr. Gore and his band of Green team members. Take a stand American's and take back our country from these bunch of robber's that are called Senators and Congressmen and I use those names losely. I have not respect whatsoever for any representative from any state in this country. May God Bless America..We're going to need his help if we are to survive.