Why is no one talking about these two guys? I want us to draft them 2nd-3rd round, they seem an ideal fit in our scheme.

Brian Winters over Kyle Long all day.

There is not a drastic talent difference between any of the top 4 Centers, IMO. If Frederick really comes to the combine at 315 lbs (down from 338) he has a chance to really impress. His quickness was borderline at 338, but at 315 he could look like a completely different player.

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Looking over Mayock's rankings, good to see he has OL Barrett Jones rated lower...I think there's a good chance he falls to the 3rd round
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Dane Brugler &#8207;@dpbrugler
Looking over Mayock's rankings, good to see he has OL Barrett Jones rated lower...I think there's a good chance he falls to the 3rd round
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I would take him in the 2nd,he has some strength issues but he is a fighter.

I'm starting to get really intrigued by Manelik Watson. He's got pretty much every tool you would look for in a RT. Still very raw and needs coaching, but he could be a steal in the 2nd round. I think he has a much brighter future at RT than Fluker honestly.

I'm starting to get really intrigued by Manelik Watson. He's got pretty much every tool you would look for in a RT. Still very raw and needs coaching, but he could be a steal in the 2nd round. I think he has a much brighter future at RT than Fluker honestly.

100% agree he might be a 2nd rounder although I think he still could be a 3rd.

Problem is all the teams will want to get a developmental LT and he is one that is perfect.

Another guy that will go later and is at least as athletic as him is Terron Armstead from a tiny school Arkasas-Pine Bluff I see him as a possible G but I think he would be a great RT.

100% agree he might be a 2nd rounder although I think he still could be a 3rd.

Problem is all the teams will want to get a developmental LT and he is one that is perfect.

Another guy that will go later and is at least as athletic as him is Terron Armstead from a tiny school Arkasas-Pine Bluff I see him as a possible G but I think he would be a great RT.

I like Armstead too. Especially before the SR Bowl when I thought he could be a late day steal. He would be ideal as the blocking TE as he gains more experience and strength in the pros. He reminds me a bit of Brian Waters.

the qb class is absolutely horrid imho.
dont have any issues with the rest of the offense. not a stellar offensive class but after qb the positions are about average.

i also believe barrett jones is a 3rd round type guy. issue with him is will he get any better? he rather is what he is. a smallish, not so powerful technician. wish i had senior bowl tape of him. right now i believe we have barrett jones and his name is david arkin.

i think richardson is every bit as good as fletcher cox last year. so he is prolly gone by 18 but that's my early target.
if not him then possibly an RT/RG.

i dont love any of these safeties enough to draft them at 18.
but i do want to come out of this draft with one. we need some depth at the position.

i like the wr and rb classes. maybe r5/r6 positions. depth guys who can be given roles day 1.

Costa and Barrett Jones arent even comparable though. Phil Costa was a lightly recruited 2 star prospect who started 2 years for a poor Maryland team and then went undrafted. Barrett Jones is the polar opposite. Highly recruited high school stud who won awards playing on the best team and o-line in all of college football.

Not saying Jones doesn't have his flaws, but Costa isn't even in the same world as Jones. Jones would be immediately better than Costa from day 1.

WOW. Now people are going to compare David "Bleeping" Arkin to Barrett Jones??? Really!? What the hell is going on here. Arkin clearly doesn't even belong in the NFL. Are we going to act like Barrett Jones didn't dominate the SEC? Im not even really a big Barrett Jones fan, but this is ridiculous.

Costa and Barrett Jones arent even comparable though. Phil Costa was a lightly recruited 2 star prospect who started 2 years for a poor Maryland team and then went undrafted. Barrett Jones is the polar opposite. Highly recruited high school stud who won awards playing on the best team and o-line in all of college football.

Not saying Jones doesn't have his flaws, but Costa isn't even in the same world as Jones. Jones would be immediately better than Costa from day 1.

WOW. Now people are going to compare David "Bleeping" Arkin to Barrett Jones??? Really!? What the hell is going on here. Arkin clearly doesn't even belong in the NFL. Are we going to act like Barrett Jones didn't dominate the SEC? Im not even really a big Barrett Jones fan, but this is ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is the constant overrating of draft prospects.

Barrett Jones was undoubtedly a better college player than either Costa or Arkin. They haven't been in college for quite a while. They have been working year round with NFL personnel.

Barrett Jones didn't dominate the SEC. He played well but wasn't anywhere near his team's most dominant player. He was a tactical guy who got the job done but he wasn't moving folks the way Chance and Fluker did.

Barrett may well be maxed out which would suggest he has upside limit around where Costa and Arkin are now. Marginally strong enough to play in the NFL and have to rely on nastiness and technique.

Bama didn't even have Barrett single block studs inside. He had helped or simply walled guys.

This is why the fan base is crying in their beers every year.
They believe mid round picks are day 1 pro bowlers or some nonsense after the draft hype. It just doesn't work that way very often at all.

Barrett Jones was undoubtedly a better college player than either Costa or Arkin. They haven't been in college for quite a while. They have been working year round with NFL personnel.

Barrett Jones didn't dominate the SEC. He played well but wasn't anywhere near his team's most dominant player. He was a tactical guy who got the job done but he wasn't moving folks the way Chance and Fluker did.

Barrett may well be maxed out which would suggest he has upside limit around where Costa and Arkin are now. Marginally strong enough to play in the NFL and have to rely on nastiness and technique.

Bama didn't even have Barrett single block studs inside. He had helped or simply walled guys.

This is why the fan base is crying in their beers every year.
They believe mid round picks are day 1 pro bowlers or some nonsense after the draft hype. It just doesn't work that way very often at all.

You're forgetting the fact that he was arguably the best LT in all of college football his junior year. No, he's not a huge mauler like Fluker or Warmack but his strength is adequate. If it wasn't it would have been exposed in the SEC (AKA the minor leagues of the NFL). Not saying Jones is going to be a pro bowler or anything, but comparing him to Arkin or Costa is flat out dumb.