On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 02:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
>
> On Dec 25, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 02:10:27PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 00:27, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just pushed some changes to pd-cyclone that create a split-out
>>>>>> binary
>>>>>> package called 'cyclist'. As far as I understand it, I don't need to
>>>>>> ITP
>>>>>> this new 'cyclist' package since its split off of the pd-cyclone
>>>>>> source
>>>>>> package, but it does need to go thru the NEW queue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'cyclist' is a command line utility for converting file formats that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> built as part of the 'cyclone' library. Its the only thing in
>>>>>> 'pd-cyclone'
>>>>>> that installs into /usr/bin and has a man page, so it made sense to me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> split it out. Then it can be installed on its own without puredata or
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> Pd libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its ready for a sponsor/uploader if you are ready for it. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me there isn't much point in having the cyclist binary
>>>>> without pd. What is the use case of converting Max/MSP patches into
>>>>> text, if
>>>>> not for importing into pd?
>>>>
>>>> A search engine, perhaps?
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be useful to Max/MSP users separate from Pd. And perhaps also
>>> useful to other computer music people. The binary file format is really
>>> only for Max/MSP, but the text file format is quite old, and used by a
>>> number of other members of the Max family. Pd and jMax for example,
>>> which
>>> are free software, and Max/FTS and Max/ISPW which are specialty
>>> proprietary
>>> versions of Max.
>>
>> OK. The Recommends on cyclist by pd-cyclone is not clear to me. If
>> these tools have different use cases, then maybe recommends is too
>> strong a relationship.
>
>
> Since the central goal of the 'cyclone' library is for running Max/MSP files
> in Pd, and Max/MSP patches are usually distributed in the .mxb binary
> format, I think it makes sense to Recommend: cyclist so that 'cyclone' users
> can translate .mxb files to .pat/.mxt files, which Pd can directly read.