(there is also the uncomfortable reality of psychopaths/dangerous sociopaths; that's a unique subject)

This is an interesting point. Psychology seems to show that there are some people who are incredibly dangerous and beyond any rehabilitation. Would we really want someone like the green river killer or the BTK killer to be put in a situation where they will almost certainly be able to kill again? If not how do we get rid of prisons without giving freedom to dangerous psychopaths?

I was thinking something similar, but then if we are releasing people into the current society, who carries out the killings? Who decides who ought to be killed and who ought to be freed? I definitely wouldn't want the state having the power to make those decisions.

I think it is justifiable to restrain an individual who is a threat to others if it's absolutely necessary. I see it as collective self-defense. And I would like to avoid death as much as possible, even for psychopaths.

Casually discussing who it's ok to kill on the basis of their diagnosis as "psychopaths" = ableism. Indeed it does. This is a complex issue, no doubt, but it's pretty incredible that it took less that two comments for a bunch of people who apparently don't believe in dominating others to start considering who they'd be justified in killing.

I don't think talking ugly about a psychopath is a form of ableism at all. The term 'psychopath' as I understand it is just a way of referring to a person who commits morally depraved actions and exhibits a complete absence of empathy for other people. I really don't think descriminating against the BTK killer or the green river killer is a form of ableism. These are people who commit unspeakable crimes against the most vulnerable and oppressed people in society

In the context of a thread designed to facilitate the discussion of how we ought to deal with prisoners, I think it's pretty valid to talk about what ought to be done withsuch scum and shooting them was something which was thrown out there. I personally don't agree with it, but I don't think it's a form of ableism.

Killing of psychopaths is a bit much (given that this is a hypothetical situation I see why the conversation led there) as studies show that psychopaths can be trained/managed. I think that punishing a manageable personality disorder with death can be very dangerous, especially when diagnostic psychology can be really tricky (and why not diagnose an enemy of yours with psychopathy if it means death?). Yes, they should be quarantined somewhat, with maybe eventual rehabilitation, but wiping them out is definitely suspect.

Just to be clear no-one is talking about killing anyone based on a diagnosis, rather based on their behavior. The green river killer tortured and murdered around 80 or 90 women, I really don't think we can talk seriously about releasing someone like this back into society. If there are no prisons then what to do? I think in an anarchist society if the community decided to shoot such a person I'd be in favor of it, in the current society I oppose capital punishment of anyone.

I agree with the person above me ways of doing it. Let's look at the U.S. They have a quarter of the worlds prisoners. Roughly 90% of them are in there for drug related crimes. Most of that 90% is simple possession. That is absurd. So at the very least(more since other prisoner statistics are similar around the world) are in in prison for no reason what so ever.

But the question was regarding all prisoners, which is a terribly irrational idea of you step back from an anarchist view for a minute. However yes, 90% is a very sad number. I advocate the decriminalisation of all illegal drugs.

The point is that most prisoners shouldn't be in prison. There are more murders and rapists outside of bars than in. I'd rather spare an innocent person that punish a guilty person. Especially when the numbers are so lopsided in the innocents favor.

I suppose it just depends what you mean by regulate. If you mean, for example, the open drug use areas in Portugal which exist for the purpose of giving users a safe place to use where they can more easily have access to outreach and healthcare then yes, decriminalisation means more regulation. If you're talking about regulation of the market (which was what I assumed) then it could not be possible before distribution was made completely legal.

Fuck yeah I would. Anyone who says no, would you say the same thing toward slave plantations or death camps? Fuck all this cowardly "What about the mean minority?" "Maybe only gradually so people can adjust" "Only once we know what to do with them" shit. Society outside has the resources to figure it out. Folks locked up are people too, often very wronged, and suffering from both the system and the "mean ones". Sure, kill the serial rapists, but also empathy can be recovered in a lot of instances. Prisons, however, are fundamentally slave camps.

Nope. Not in the least. Imprisonment is the most anti-anarchy kind of thing I can think of, and one of the crueler forms of human treatment. Far better off to just kill the bastards and get it over with.

As you may can tell, my particular form of anarchism has little "bleeding heart" sympathy for anyone really. Not a popular stance in this sub.

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