Deleted Sarnia Observer Post on the Stabbing Outside of Lazy Duck

I hate when things get deleted off the internet. It feels like people are trying to hide something. With the recent news and abnormally strong opinions surrounding the apparent stabbing in front of the Lazy Duck on Sunday, there has been a slew of rambling on the Internet about what was right or wrong about it. The mother claims it was a hate crime. For some unknown reason, the Observer decided to cut out a long rant plus a bunch of comments. I think it’s good for this stuff to be public and let people say what they want. So below is the rant plus all the comments. Obviously none of this is mine. There is a ton of comments here, many of them are ignorant, but it just goes to show you how little people are able to have regular balanced conversation about controversial issues. This should absolutely be public though for all to see.

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By Doesntmatter 2010 Monday, March 11, 2013 4:39:27 EDT PM

This is my opinion and only that and is based on the type of people we have in Sarnia and the average attitude. This will probably be my shortest post let…lol…but I am sure several will argue or find fault and that is fine after I post this I will not argue with people. I just read the article where the mother of the accused is stating it was a racial attack, do I believe this? No, I do not, I hate to call another person a liar but I feel she is, based on what her son maybe saying. Sarnia is not a prominently white community and the bar scene is very mixed. I do not drink, and was never one for the bar scene but we have a daughter who does attend the “Duck” and in speaking to her she advises that it is a fair mix of races that attend the bar, and has been like that for several years. I understand that the boy is a star athlete but we all know that star athletes are not exempt from trouble with the law or causing trouble or embellishing some forms of the truth. I wonder why the mother has given a statement and not the accused, her giving one or him will be no different when it comes to court, as his guardian what she says will still be brought forth. I wonder what truly happen that evening, if, and I use that word loosely, if, the mother is correct and a “mob” did form calling this individual a N….. or any other racial slur, why? No there is no reason for anyone to use the word or an combination of that word even though “Coloured” folk use the word when talking to each other it is still not acceptable. That being said, with the cliental that attend that bar, it makes so sense that a group of 10-15 would surround this person and for no reason just start on him, and the bouncers would walk the others away and not him. There are several things that make me think, and should others, it is to easy for someone to try to justify their actions by screaming racism to get peoples attention and sympathy. Both sides are in conflict over this point which does not surprise me, but the only ones who know the truth are the ones who where there. I know several will post something saying they were there and will give their two cents on it. Instead of posting your “truth” call the police and give them a statement, and then call the paper and give them their interpretation of the nights event and let the paper print it, so we all can read it. I could be wrong maybe Sarnia does have that many racist at the same bar, and would be willing to act out in such a fashion in front of many others without fear of the different “minorities” on scene getting involved and protecting the “child”, but I do not believe so. But this is only my opinion based only on what I have read and what I think would happen with other “minorities’ watching such an action happen. Also I hope Sarnia would not have so many of those type of people in one area, and that others watching would not allow it to happen. I guess I think better of Sarnia and it’s people. Another question, his mother never said why he was in Sarnia or how he got here? Again I hope the people of Sarnia are better than this and I believe they are this is why I do not believe the mother.

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shawna white 1 day ago For one he was in sarnia visiting his sister and his nephew and if you read the article properly his mom clearly states that he was on his way to his sisters! On another note the bouncers had no buisness leaving the property there job is jist to get people out the door and they should have never let him in, im the first place i hope the bar gets sued because the bouners dont know how to check i.ds nor do they know how to handle these situations this whole thing could have been prevented if he didnt get through the front door.

GoblinMadness 1 day ago I disagree with your racial mix, perhaps some American’s attend some of the larger night clubs. For that matter, I don’t believe city is made up of diverse cultures, and that most lower income areas provide housing for minorities in every city.

knowyourfactsdotcom 1 day ago if you werent there. you should not be spreading rumours about what you think happened. i was there and saw the whole ordeal. he stabbed the first bouncer. then the second bouncer came to assist and got stabbed…. once that happened he tried to run away when the third victim ran after him so that he couldnt get away from what he had done. know your facts before you go arguing and making yourself look like an idiot

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deek1980 1 day ago why did they not call the police after the first victim was stabbed, or maybe they did, but the other two should have retreated back into the bar and let the police take over from that point since it became a criminal issue. I’m sure procedure on confronting a person with a weapon is to get to safety as quickly as possible and call the police, why would you try and be a hero and try to apprehend the suspect, it doesn’t make sense. The only sense i can come to is the bouncers are not adequately trained or they just wanted payback.

concernedinpetrolia 1 day ago This sounds like a total cover up on your part trying to protect the bouncers from the savage beating they put on this young man. Who told you to post this? Nothing you said makes any sense at all. They did not go after him individually, it was a group attack as always. What about the roughing up by the bouncers on the young mans two friends that were with him? Either you are trying to save your job or the demise of this establishment. Too much has happened there in the past that has not been brought to light and just swept under the rug. Hopefully this incident will end the above the law mentality.

Steve 1 day ago You are either incriminating yourself, or you weren’t there either. It’s already been established that the altercation took place by Capel, so by that logic you were either one of the bouncers or one of the crowd that was beating the guy.

Guest 1 day ago

Is Lazy Duck another favourate of the Sarnia Police? Do they get free drinks there too? Its time for justice.

tjdaeoe 2 days ago While I agree with your last two points, I do not agree with your first point. Just because someone is carrying around a knife, doesn’t mean s/he is going around stabbing people or even has that intent. Carrying a Swiss Army knife is a smart thing to do because it can come in handy for many, many things. I don’t blame this kid for carrying a weapon, being a minority in a strange city at a bar like the Duck. He was probably just carrying it for protection.

tjdaeoe 2 days ago Sarnia is definitely not a good mix of international people. Growing up in elementary school, I only ever had one black person in my class and everyone else was white. In high school, it wasn’t much different. Most of the time my classes would be all white or would have one Asian or one black person. Once I moved out of Sarnia, it was a culture shock. If you want to see a place that is multicultural, go to Toronto. Even London would be better.

WildandCrazyGuy 2 days ago I know nothing about this story,,,,,,,,,,but if these bouncers were off the property of the Lazy Duck and they accosted, threatened or in any other way tried to intimidate this young man, they and the Lazy Duck should hire some very expensive lawyers as they are going to need them in the civil suit that this young man will launch. Once they ejected him out the front door their job was done. If they followed him then they are the ones with serious legal problems. Too many bouncers are just thugs themselves looking for any opportunity to flex their muscle.

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arkpgirl 2 days ago I have to say well said. You hit it on the spot!

wisenhiemer57 2 days ago Wow really? Did any of you see his face? Here we have one 18 year old against 3 bouncers,(plus however many more bystanders) and he’s not supposed to defend himself? Some bouncers do get out of control and they do have a bruiser mentality. I hope that the police are not supporting the bar staff just because they feel there’s a brotherhood line they don’t wanna cross.The story is fishy and hopefully witnesses straighten out what may or may not have happened.

itzmeagain1 2 days ago Off topic here but just wondering when selecting for jury duty, if they ask if you have ever made comments in public forums involving the case they are selecting for. Anyone know?

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canucktwofour 2 days ago Think I see what you’re getting at. I’m surprised comments are even allowed on this. Perhaps, a long shot but just speculating, the crown has not decided yet whether to proceed with any or all the charges. I still do not understand how he can be charged with “assault with attempt to resist arrest” when the same police officer said in the article he was arrested without incident. Doesn’t make sense.

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itzmeagain1 2 days ago I seriously didn’t mean to imply anything, I really wanted to know because if it’s not it probably should be? It wasn’t directed at this case in particular, sorry about that I should’ve been a little more clearer.

I’ve already forgotten the details I read from the Observer so I looked at the news in the Sarnia Police website. It said the suspect was “located and arrested” so I guess he should’ve stuck around the scene to avoid that charge. I would’ve ran too!

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canucktwofour 2 days ago Think it was in the first and second articles. I rememember commenting on that but then comments were suddenly removed. Also, I bet they do ask questions or similar ones during jury selection but can’t say for sure.

Steve 2 days ago He was released within a couple of hours of being arrested.. for multiple stab wounds to 3 people. Doesn’t anybody think that’s odd he was released so quick given the circumstances? Definately lots more to this story..

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Ashtonsmom 2 days ago And he had to be taken to hospital for his injuries. I may not believe race was a factor. but do believe he was acting in self defense.

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Steve 2 days ago I think it was self defence as well, although a little overboard with the knife.. that’s why the quick release

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WildandCrazyGuy 2 days ago Sorry but do the math: 3 bouncers against one teenager. Hmmmmm Yeah I guess he should have just tried to use his charm and good looks.

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2 days ago That young man should still be in a hospital by the looks of him in that picture. Right or wrong, that picture should not have been posted, it will get sympathy from people, and they will forget the fact that he still stabbed multiple people multiple times.

arkpgirl 2 days ago Well people do have to defend themselves. I can’t think of anyone who would just lay there and take a beating from a mob. Lots of people carry pocketknives. My little ole gramma has one in her purse. Would you lay on the ground with a group of people attacking you? or would you defend your life?

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bill goat 2 days ago Maybe the beating progressed more after some stabbing was done, who knows. You are missing the point tho, you just can’t stab people, could have been a murder charge against him if one was stabbed in the heart, or a major artery.

This whole situation could have been avoided.

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tjdaeoe 2 days ago They would also have to prove that he intended to kill them in order for it to be a murder charge.

canucktwofour 2 days ago If the beating by three grown men (bouncers at that) on an eighteen year old kid occurred before and during the stabbing, then it’s quite possible without the stabbing, the three bouncers could have been the ones charged with murder. I’m not saying this is what happened either, you brought up that scenario, I didn‘t. We should stop speculating and let justice be served through our court system.

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bill goat 2 days ago I did say, Who knows. Also, the doormen should never be able to have any kind of job in security.

a_w_young 2 days ago or maybe nobody’s hands are clean and it’s an unfortunate situation that will be resolved by the courts/etc.

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scoopknows 2 days ago Believe me the police wii attempt to minimize the role the “bouncers” played in this. That is a guarantee. Justice in the court system? Highly improbable, considering recent decisions.

Steve 2 days ago Bingo….

bill goat 2 days ago True, i think everyone involved, including the bar should be charged.

jimmyhats_4_everyone 2 days ago how does being a “star athlete” mean you’re a good person?

sillythoughts 2 days ago I have a couple of points… bear with me…

Was this racially motivated? I hope not.

1) innocent people don’t carry concealed weapons

2) he should not have been at the bar

3) there is no reason for that young man’s face to look like that.

There are two very strong sides to this story.

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arkpgirl 2 days ago I agree there is no reason for this young man’s face to look like that. I seen it also on The Observer site today. Horrible!

SuperVinylWonderland 2 days ago Firstly let me say racism is alive in this city! From people driving the family out of town that owned Nelson Street Varity, to racial slurs spray painted on the mosque! (just to name a few recent examples) The fact that you refereed to African Americans as “coloured folk” says alot in my opinion, racism is ignorance. And ignorant people are frightening. I will say that I will not be trying to figure out who is telling the truth or not in this case, it is not my job to judge and the case has not been heard in front of a judge yet. What I will say is this is only my opinion and you know what they say about those right?

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canucktwofour 2 days ago I remember that store at the corner of Nelson and Cotterberry. Owned by a very nice black family, the son was a very good athlete if I recall. I also remember walking down Cotterberry ST. one night, hearing glass breaking and seeing someone running away from the store. When I reached the corner I saw the whole front window was smashed on the store. That’s a long time ago, in the sixties I think.

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SuperVinylWonderland 2 days ago I am not aware of that particular incident as I am in my 30’s and was not around back then, but more recently a very nice family was also pushed out of town but raciest vandalizing their shop, if my memory serves me correctly it was the end of 2011, maybe beginning of 2012. Anyways, it was awful and my heart hurts for that family that moved here trying to make a nice life for themselves while faced with small-minded jerks. anyways here is a link to the story http://www.theobserver.ca/2012...

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canucktwofour 2 days ago Oh, I see now, that’s the old Fournier’s Variety Store (in the sixties). Corner of St. Vincent and Nelson. Yes I remember reading of the incident you’re referring to, very sad indeed. The one I mentioned used to be a meat or vegetable store, now is a coin Laundromat.

Lyn01 2 days ago If you all read what the mother said to the paper, then u would know that she stated that her son went to the bar with a fake id. In my opinion, why bring a knife to a bar if u were just going out and having a good time??There was intent to use that knife for whatever reason, possibly mouthed off at the wrong person prior to that night, who knows. This is 2013 people, enuff with the race card, its getting old but i do believe he used it so he could get outta trouble with being underage and the “poor me” bs. I dont believe that the bouncers would get into there car to chase an 18yr old kid, it seems far fetched. The Duck doesnt need to be closed down, it just needs to be policed better and keep the well-known trouble makers outta the bar.

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bill goat 2 days ago Taxpayers don’t pay the police to babysit drunks in a bar.

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Lyn01 2 days ago being policed doesnt literally mean to have police there…..sheeshh…. so i will rephrase that, The Duck needs more security there and be more aware of the trouble-makers.

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Lyn01 2 days ago Bill : yes there are and your point??

bill goat 2 days ago Better, you know, there are children on here:)

Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago I agree, the kid was looking for trouble, or got drunk and found it, and now for the kid to continue playing sports, cause most organizations will kick him out if he has a record, Momma is throwing that card out and making it “it can’t be my son, he is such an angel” in hopes they will drop the charge or give a suspended sentence so he can continue to play sports. I know the London Beefeaters request a criminal background check and there can be no criminal charges, same as London Baseball league. Most universities are the same because of image for the school

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canucktwofour 2 days ago How do you know the kid was looking for trouble and why would it be any surprise if he was drunk, when he was underage yet allowed into a licensed establishment (likely by the same doormen) and served liquor in a bar like setting? Why isn’t a tough law and order punish everyone who screws up person like yourself screaming about that?

Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago I always thought Sarnia was a well mixed of international people. I have read that Lambton College has a very large student body of people from other countries and has a register office (or something like that) in other countries to assist them with setting courses and getting to Canada. It is a college bar, I just can not see a bunch of college kids from different countries standing arond and allowing a small group to pick on a kid because of race

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deek1980 2 days ago your awfully quick to assume, saying the teen was looking for trouble just because he was carrying around a knife. I’m not at all sticking up for him but nor am I going to say he pre-meditated to stab someone, why don’t you wait til the facts come out. But based on the pictures the bouncers went a little far, but hey these same bouncers let the teen in with fake id, which tells me they don’t care if some underages sneak by with fake id, if the person looks young and produces an id which may have been tampered with then you ask for another piece of id, the chances of anyone having two pieces of fake id would be very low, nowadays with 15 year olds with beards you would think bouncers would be aware of this. Lets all be honest here bouncers don’t exactly have an angelic image to them, there has been numerous times that bouncers have used un-neccassary force, and Ill give you an example how exactly these bouncers demonstrate poor judgement. Several weekends ago walking my dogs past the stubborn mule, a fight had started outside but still on the property, well the bouncer was just watching and let the fight continue until a couple minutes had passed, now I’m not bouncer but isn’t that part of their job, to intervene on fights and try to prevent fights to break-out.

BigBadSarnia 2 days ago That is a naive thought. Do you know how many Americans cross over for our bars? This isnt just a college bar for college kids. And to think that all the international students were there watching and not intervening is a silly thought. You sound as though you’ve never been to a bar, maybe check it out sometime, explore life rather than report your findings from third party info. You seem to always have an opinion formulated from information you received from some friends, my kids, or someone I know never from your own experience.

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Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago I can understand your post, slightly….If it is something I know directly than I post it as such, but not everyone has had every situation in life happen to them. When it comes to drugs, crime or bars your right, I know nothing about it. I have never done drugs, or been in trouble with the law, I followed the law and have always been a productive member of society, I felt a successful future was far more important then playing “cops and robbers” or “getting high”. As for bars, no I never attended, never appealed to me. I have had a drink here and there, a glass of wine at dinner, or rye and coke at the cottage but never to the point of being drunk, I felt it was a waste of money and never saw the point. I have friends who have been in some of those situations and my daughters were bar people while in College. So if I do not know something, I will ask, it is better then speaking out of ones ass or pretending to be something you are not. I can admit I am not a know it all…As for your comment of explore life, I do, I travel, I have seen and experienced some great things, but did it all sober. I do not believe people must do drugs or drink to experience life. Why is it a naive thought, I believe Sarnia is a diverse city, a great deal of kids come to Lambton from all over the world, this is a fact. I understand not all college kids attend bars but a great deal do, and yes some come across the border to drink, not as many as it used to be. I just have a hard time believing that with Sarnia being so diverse that people would just stand around and let a “kid” be degraded and bullied in such a fashion without several calls to the police about it. To do what has been said is a hate crime, I would imagine the police would have arrested some for it or said they were investigating hate crimes but neither have been reported. Maybe I just think Sarnia is a better place and that the bulk of residents would not tolerate such a thing. I think Sarnia is a great city with some great people in it.

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BigBadSarnia 2 days ago I myself dont dapple with drugs or alcohol either, besides a casual glass of wine. I did however enjoy the bar scene whem I was in college, not in sarnia. Its awesome that you have such high hopes about the folks in sarnia, but I can tell you as a minority in this city…racisim is high in the city. At a bar, while drunk, I dont think many people would care to break up a fight, racially charged or otherwise.

deek1980 2 days ago you call this productive, I call this stirring the pot up. Your a typical simple-minded individual that has one-sided opinions on everything, you say a great deal of kids from all over the world, really go to Western or Wilfred then you can say a great deal of kids

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Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago Wow, all this because I think Sarnia is better than what the mother or some others are saying. Obviously Wilfred and Western has an even more diverse student body, or it did when I was there, but the size of the student body is also a significant size larger than Lambton and has more advanced studies. For the size of Lambton I think they do have a realy diverse student body, of several different nationalities. I still think a bulk of those in Sarnia would not allow a group to pick on or bully a person in such a fashion. I would think and hope that many people in Sarnia would share my hopes that our citizens would not just stand around and allow such a thng to happen, that the average person and as many as attend a bar there would be several decent people, who would try to intervene or call the police regarding the hate crime described As for having one sided opinions, can not always agree with everyone can I? I have noticed that I am not the only one that shares some of my opinions, so that would make your statement incorrect. I would think and hope that many people in Sarnia would share my hopes that our citizens would not just stand around and allow such a thng to happen, that the average person and as many as attend a bar there would be several decent people, who would try to intervene or call the police regarding the hate crime described by the mother. Again someone makes a post regarding my opinion, why not just form your own about the situation that supposedly happen or the articles that were printed about it instead of someone else’s opinion. After all we are all entitled to our opinions, this is not a communist country, nor are our opinions or beliefs being monitored or controlled.

Bro Mill 2 days ago THEY followed him in a car he was on foot with a broken ankle already .It happened far down Capel.1 why did they follow him.2 with all the guys that came after him im sure it was to talk.They aren’t cops and have no business chasing someone .He wasn’t in the fight at the bar.There are witnesses besides lovers of the Duck.

moonie2001 2 days ago why was this kid in the bar…was he served….did he have ID….will the Duck be charged for serving an underaged customer…..tune in to loserTV and see

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sillythoughts 2 days ago I heard he had someone else’s ID.

My guess is that before this is done there will be charges to the duck and to the bouncers as well as the young man.

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bill goat 2 days ago I agree, all should be charged.

Norma-Joe Demers-Nolet 2 days ago Well why would a guy go to a bar with a knife? How does his mom know this was racial other then what her son said while in custody. I’m not agreeing with bars actions at all, if fact I believe after what happen to a family member at Dempsey bar fight. That our bouncer A: can’t read ID to make sure it’s legit and B: do math to make sure there of age. It’s pretty sad when a bouncer just looks away to a half naked woman but stops a black man. But if it’s not racial then I’m sorry that family needs charges sick of people playing the racial card. Point is you don’t go to a bar with a knife unless your looking or a fight doesn’t matter what color you are! Our bars suck for horrible staff refusing to comply with laws. Cops need to start sending in undercover under age or out of hand people to catch and close bars not complying with laws. Then maybe bars will hire people who can do math to make sure they are right age, or buy the swipe machine to check for them.

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bill goat 2 days ago I give up, where is the apple hidden?

moonie2001 2 days ago Time to close The Duck as they did the downtown bar after numerous fights and finally a fatal stabbing…or do we wait until the fatality happens

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Mickme 2 days ago I agree. Close the bar. Seems to be alot of problems and contraversy with this particular establishment. I believe in the past they have been accused of staying open past the closing time to accomodate certain individuals. My guess is their luck has run out and in some ways they are tempting fate and playing games with some lives. Everyone has a right to safety and it makes sense to address the problem before any more tradgedies happen,

BigBadSarnia 3 days ago Sarnia does have rampant racism, maybe you are too blind to see it. Racism exists in this town, much like the rest of the world.

Also, try and find a picture of the accussed, I was shown his picture on facebook. It was quite a sad sight to see, his face was bruised, big black eyes, the kid did not deserve such brutality.

As for why he was at the bar, come on now people…this is 2013…since when are we shocked that people break laws and lie to get to what they cannot have? Fake IDs and underage kids in bars is nothing new.

arkpgirl 3 days ago I believe as it goes to the courts there is going to be more to come. I have seen this young man on facebook and can tell the family is upstanding successful people that strived to raise a successful young man. I think racism is alive in Sarnia. I think his parents can afford a great lawyer and that this story will prove to be his favor.

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bill goat 2 days ago In his favor? Self defense or not, you can’t stab anyone, let alone three people multiple times.

Steve Doan 3 days ago In these comments I hear a lot about a group of people inciting the fight with racial slurs BUT when I look at the facts this kid stabbed 3 bouncers and no patrons seems like there more to the story why stab the security ? if it was a group of patrons why the 3 bouncers on one under age patron there job is to control the situation not let all hell break loose

Steve 3 days ago Ultimately it doesn’t matter what we think or believe, this will be settled in the courts. To be honest this is just going to incite the trolls and then your opinion piece will be removed.

a_w_young 3 days ago I find this post to be unproductive, to say the least. You’re focusing on the wrong things.

I wasn’t there, neither do you. We can speculate on something like this but to what end?

Without knowing anything other than what we’ve read and no evidence otherwise, I’ll simply say this in his defense - As someone who has been attacked by a large group of people and in precarious, threatening situations before, I know that when the right conditions are met, it’s hard to keep your wits about you sometimes and keep your thinking straight. Who knows what else was going on with said person or the others involved… it’s probably only going to cause harm to speculate. We needn’t make excuses for anyone, but sometimes people react poorly in situations where it is inevitable that something is going to happen.

“Bouncers” are hardly the measuring stick for well-mannered, critically-minded, well-trained decision makers in any given circumstance. They are present for only one purpose. (Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they’re all buffoons, I’m merely mirroring what others have said.. they are NOT police).

I’m truthfully not sure what you’re going on about with half the things you said. Including, but not limited to the “his mother never said why he was in Sarnia or how he got there” Who cares. This is mild McCarthyism at best.

Honestly I hate when things happen like what happened. Nobody’s hands are truly clean and there’s pain for all involved. I know conflict and such is a reality in life but there’s usually some motivation or “hurt” driving it.

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concernedinpetrolia 3 days ago Just like Dougie Powell? He was unarmed and still lost his life. This young man was defending himself from a trio of power tripping, untrained lunk heads. Sure he was under age and shouldn’t have been in this bar. Perhaps he was drunk and mouthy, but that doesn’t give someone the right to beat him to a pulp. Wait until you see the picture. Disgusting and I can’t wait until the truth comes out and justice is served.

canucktwofour 3 days ago Huh???? These are bouncers (doormen), not police. Also, how do you know the kid came at the bouncers? Were you there? As I said earlier, should be a very interesting court case,

Bro Mill 3 days ago Lets imagine it was a white kid being beaten and called c****** and let see you defend the black bouncers. It wouldn’t happen.You people defending these monsters kill me.

Doesntmatter 2010 3 days ago Sorry, it would not matter what word I chose it would have been wrong…. Sorry I do not think a man any different because he has a tan or is a different shade then myself. I just think his mm is screaming racism because of his athletics and if he is proved to be at fault they could be over…. Alot of the story just doesn’t make sense to me… I do not believe people in Sarnia would stand around and let 15 people pick on a person. If he was threatening a group or being rude to a few females then maybe the 15 were not so many but a few boyfriends defending the females honour. Who knows, the reason is important if it happen….but again I do not think people in Sarnia would do this.

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deek1980 2 days ago why do you think people in Sarnia act any differently than other cities, YOU ARE THE MOST NAIVE PERSON IN THE WORLD

arkpgirl 3 days ago of course

a_w_young 3 days ago You always play coy, but stir the pot on purpose. You always say blatently ignorant things and then “oh no, not me, I don’t mean any harm, but I make no apologies either!” etc.

It’s not wrong to have discussion, and I don’t even mind discussion of things considered “controversial” if it has a purpose. A lot of your posts always reads like “I’m not racist, I just think all ______ people are terrible, but that’s just my opinion”.

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Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago I have said it before, your always quick to jump on others, make your own post and have your own opinion on a subject and let others judge you. It is nice to sit in your ivy tower and look down isn’t it.

Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago I always thought Sarnia was a well mixed of international people. I have read that Lambton College has a very large student body of people from other countries and has a register office (or something like that) in other countries to assist them with setting courses and getting to Canada. It is a college bar, I just can not see a bunch of college kids from different countries standing arond and allowing a small group to pick on a kid because of race As for my comment on natives, it is not racism, I think all Canadian should be treated equally no matter the race, including natives, who in the paper seem to ask for more than any other Canadian has or is allowed, in relation to taxes and such. Am I wrong, are all Canadians treated exactly the same? Equality is all I want, it does not matter the colour of a persons skin, if there is a group being treated differently then I am against that….all Canadians should be treated the same, no matter what

Doesntmatter2010 2 days ago And you?

Guest 3 days ago That is a lie. There has been many posts posted about your racism. You have torn the native communities as well.

bill goat 3 days ago It won’t be long before this is closed as well.

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Steve 3 days ago Suprised it’s still here…

Guest 3 days ago What is the issue of how he got here or why. Does Sarnia now have a standard of who comes here and why.

Bro Mill 3 days ago Wake up !People in Sarnia have used it against myself and my kids.You live in your world of rainbows and gum drops but its not the real world.I always thought Sarnia was a great place to live ,but by the way some of you dismiss what has happened to this kid,not all but some .This hurtful and has changed my mind about this town.Doesnt matter ,you don’t know her ,so don’t call here a lie.Keep defending these people your kid could be next on there list.

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Chuck finnley 2 days ago Bro mil I have grown tired of your slams against my city, paint us all with the same brush for the actions of a few? Let me be the first to call you a hypocrite, if you don’t like it here with us small minded individuals as you keep calling us, feel free to leave our city. You can go to the big city eutopia like TO or even London and report back what you find there. Btw you can shove your race card where the sun don’t shine.

bill goat 3 days ago What if this individual was a white kid that stabbed 3 black doormen? you would probably be defending the doormen right?

pattymcd 3 days ago I am sure the police will do their unbiased investigation. As we were NOT there we can not formulate opinions on what did or did not happen… Plain and simple ….

Getting all worked up about something that does not involve us, is merely DRAMA! Just sayin

canucktwofour 3 days ago A big question I have is why an underage minor was allowed into and served alcohol in this licensed establishment. If this turns out to be indeed true, then the implications are large. Fake ID’s aside, it is the management’s responsibility to scrutinize ID’s and ensure no under aged cliental are allowed. This is the bar’s obligation, not the cliental. One would think, when in doubt of a person’s age regardless of what the initial ID says, they would either ask for more identification supporting the first ID or simply refuse the patron to err on the side of the law. Hopefully the LCBO is looking into this because it should be no surprise to anyone when an under aged minor served alcohol in a bar setting becomes somewhat belligerent in anyway.

Regarding the rest, if it is true he was chased down the street by the bouncers, then again any implications will be huge. I know if I was eighteen and being chased by three grown men with the obvious intent of laying a beating, I would like some form of protection. Who wouldn’t? Should be a very interesting court case. By the way, the mother said his sister lives down the street, it’s spring break, likely visiting over the holidays.

1intheknow1 3 days ago I appreciate your opinion and respect your comments that the police should investigate and those with information should come forward. Your comment on racist actions in this community is a little weak especially with comments and opinions expressed in this publication. Maybe no one would come on here and post the “N word” in relation to blacks in the community. Maybe they wouldn’t publicly voice racial slurs against blacks, orientals, browns, gays or religious groups BUT, they would definately voice negative and racial slurs against natives and have. Is there racism in this community- yes, we don’t have the size of minority groups as other urban centers but we do pick on the largest group, if the others get larger who knows who’s next.