Groups opposed to the reproductive health measure are not giving up even after President Benigno Aquino III quietly signed it into law four days before Christmas.

Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez welcomed the President’s decision not to make a “big fuss” of the signing, but said questioning Republic Act No. 10354 in the Supreme Court would be a logical next move.

“It’s always an option,” he told the Inquirer.

Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said the low-key signing of the RH bill was proof of the administration’s ardent desire to move on from the highly divisive issue.

Catholic lawyers are preparing to question the constitutionality of RA 10354, or the Responsible Parenthood and Reproductive Health Act of 2012, in the Supreme Court even as Malacañang called for reconciliation.

“The last recourse would be the Supreme Court,” said Jaro Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, a former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines.

“But we need to know what amendments were introduced and further study the new form of the approved law. (It’s) time to move on. The future will tell where wisdom has been,” he added.

RA 10354, which was published online in the Official Gazette on Saturday, will take effect 15 days after its publication in at least two newspapers of general circulation.

The law makes contraceptives more widely available, especially to the poor, and introduces schoolchildren to sex education.

The Philippines has one of Asia’s highest birth rates, with the United Nations estimating that half of the country’s 3.4 million pregnancies each year are unplanned.

Definitely not over

Maternal mortality also remains high, with 162 deaths for every 100,000 live births, while 10 women die every day from pregnancy or childbirth-related complications, according to the Commission on Women.

Rodriguez, who battled with RH bill proponents in the House of Representatives, said he would meet with like-minded House members and senators beginning next week to plot their next move.

“It’s not yet over, definitely not,” said Rodriguez, a former dean of San Sebastian College of Law.

Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman, principal author of the RH bill in the House, said Mr. Aquino’s quiet signing of the bill on Dec. 21 was done “in order not to exacerbate the conflict with some Catholic bishops and start the reconciliation process to ensure widespread support in the implementation of the law.”

Still, the signing of the bill without fanfare did not sit well with some Church and law leaders.

‘Highly dishonorable’

Ricardo Boncan, spokesperson of the Catholic Vote Philippines alliance, said it was “highly dishonorable” for the President to sign the law in secret and away from the media spotlight.

“We find the nonpublicized signing of the RH bill into law by President Aquino to be highly dishonorable and unprincipled because he did it right after stating that he was in no hurry to sign the bill before Christmas,” Boncan said.

Catholic Vote Philippines is the alliance of lay Catholic groups that have vowed to oust pro-RH politicians in the 2013 elections.

“We will exhaust all legal remedies to fight this unjust, unethical and antipoor and antilife law,” Boncan said.

Official confirmation

On Saturday, a day after the media learned that the law had been signed, Malacañang urged critics of the measure to move on.

Reading from a prepared statement, Deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte officially confirmed the signing of the measure during an interview with state-run Radyo ng Bayan.

“The passage into law of the Responsible Parenthood Act closes a highly divisive chapter of our history—a chapter borne of the convictions of those who argued for, or against this Act, whether in the legislative branch or in civil society,” said Valte.

Valte enunciated the desire of the President and his Cabinet to end the highly acrimonious congressional and media tug-of-war that pitted the Aquino presidency against so many leaders of the Catholic Church.

Engagement, dialogue

She said that the law “opens the possibility of cooperation and reconciliation among different sectors in society: Engagement and dialogue characterized not by animosity, but by our collective desire to better the welfare of the Filipino people.”

But Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said the Church’s fight against the “culture of death” would continue.

“If such signing did not merit media and public attention, it only goes to show that such law is not meritorious at all,” Castro said.

Moral ‘time bomb’

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes blasted the President for “planting a moral time bomb” when he signed the RH bill into law.

“Indeed, P-Noy will be known as the RH president, which is not a title of honor. His conscience will be bothering him day and night because he has planted a moral time bomb in our Catholic country,” said Bastes.

“Our opposition to that immoral law will persist,” he added.

Drop in ratings

Boncan said the drop in the President’s approval ratings was due to his “lack of vision” and his “wrong priorities.”

“Instead of the RH bill, the FOI (freedom of information) bill and the antidynasty bills should have been given priority,” he said.

“It will definitely affect his (Liberal Party) candidates and Catholic Vote Philippines will not make people forget this come election time,” he added.

Asked why it took eight days before the Palace announced that the President had signed the RH measure into law, Valte said Mr. Aquino earlier mentioned that he wanted to sign it before the end of the year.

She said Mr. Aquino signed it on Dec. 21 because he would leave after Christmas for a vacation.

“And the President might be thinking that if he would be signing it after he goes back to Manila, it might not be processed (for validation and documentation) before the end of the year,” she added.

Valte said a clean copy of the law was processed when regular office resumed on Dec. 26, after a four-day Christmas break.

“So we received word that everything was finished late on Dec. 27. At least as far as the Communications Group is concerned, we deemed it best to wait for a couple of days before the announcement was made, given the level of intensity of the debates that were had on this matter. We deemed it best to wait a couple of days before the announcement was made,” she said. With a report from AFP

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ceejay2420

The reproductive health law had been debated for more than a decade and now it is a law. If those against the law want to continue opposing it by taking their case to Supreme Court, they should not announce it anymore. They should just do it!

The President signed the law without much fanfare and ceremony in order for him not to appear to be celebrating and feeling victorious over the defeat of the Catholic Church in this legislative battle.And I agree with his conduct. This law will be due for implementation in 15 days and that is what we shall be all concerned about- to make sure babies are born when parents are ready and capable to raise and give them the good future they deserve.

“Indeed, P-Noy will be known as the RH president, which is not a title of honor” -BISHOP BASTES

RH president??? Not a title of Honor?????!!!

PNOY will be known in history as the President who DEFY the “POWERFUL”, “INFALLIBLE”, ALL-KNOWING aahh, STUPID bishops of the Philippines.

PNOY will be known in history as the PRINCIPLED PRESIDENT- who stand on his own, cannot be dictated- do what he think is right for the Filipinos.

Modern day JOSE RIZAL!
THAT’S AN HONOR!!!

stjohnofthevatican

finally, a president that has the balls! Those bishops? enough with their hypocrisy! They are pumping on their own if not with young boys!

http://profile.yahoo.com/Y5JT275WY633AWI6T3A3QDAX7U Kailian

The bishops are not all-powerful, all-knowing, and infallible, instead are just bunch of gay in wolf uniform. Give them boys and they will show their true color that they are pedophiles.

AllinLawisFair

Amen to that.

PNOY is not like that hypocrite Gloria Arroyo who professes to be very Catholic but in fact is a lair, a cheat and a thief. She catered to the wishes of the Church because she las lost credibility. By siding with the cause which the Church espoused she has gained at least an ally.

How many ties has she used God to justify her unjust deeds?

filipinaskoh

“If such signing did not merit media and public attention, it only goes to show that such law is not meritorious at all,” Fr. Melvin Castro

Those bishops and its followers should not avail of the services! Its as simple as that! Those should not stop other people from accessing what is made available! If the bishops would not like to use condoms, well that’s his problem! But he should not stop me from getting and using one! Its my business not his! The law is not forcing those who are “faithful” to access the services!

quirinomayer

Padre Damaso and his fanatical followers which is a miniscule part of the population will not be satisfied until they have been utterly crushed and humiliated.

Just like the Pharaoh when Moses was rescuing the children of Israel from Egypt, God has hardened their hearts so that they will receive their just desserts. They will go to the Supreme Court where they will rebuffed. They will try to oust the pro-RH politicians where they will also be humiliated anew.

They are not paying attention to the indications of their impending defeat in the polls. The Philippine Star poll on the question Will you vote for pro-RH Bill candidates? ended with 54 percent saying yes and 44 or so saying no.

PADRE DAMASO, THE MORE YOU TRASH ABOUT, THE WORSE FOR YOU. FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, JUST ACCEPT DEFEAT AND FROM NOW ON KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN FROM POLITICS.

speaksoftlylove

Clueless imp, Moses is the Pharaoh Amenemhet and not a religious leader. Story of Moses is found in the Hebrew Bible and Egyptian artifacts. You are ridiculing the Church but you still believe the Church sarsuela since time immemorial. Christianity and Judaism are totally distinct animals so the Church hierarchy are not experts when it comes to the story of Moses who spread God’s commandments to the Jews and whose religion is Judaism.

CBCP, try you hands on something you can grasp. Among Ed is running for Governor in Pampanga against Lilia Pineda, the current governor and wife of the perceived jueteng lord Bong Pineda. Here you can test your mettle. See how the Catholic church can help eradicate jueteng in Pampanga by making Among Ed win thru the Catholic vote. This should be cut and dried competition that will show your political clout if any, or disprove that you have a Catholic vote. Say nyo?

kayanatwo

29dec2012

nobody asked me, but…corona is gone…the phil. supreme court is not a puppet anymore by CBCP or by any modern damaso.

the prelates from catholic church could use some “sense and sensibility” in their head instead of just using it for “mitre” prop.

Hey_Dudes

This effort as well as the ongoing fiasco that is Gwen Garcia of Cebu city has once more moved the donkey closer to extinction. This is an illustration why we Filipinos finds it extremely difficult advancing ahead as we should but could not on account we are a people who regard law and order as nothing but words. Words to be bent, destroyed and not followed depending on one’s criteria. We are a people who pick and choose which laws we will abide by and those we regard good for nothing if it does not suit our taste and beliefs.

Somehow, someday we will eventually realize why others in the region have prospered so much while we are still in the manufacture of tricycles.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

Who cares?

These idiots were always going to keep whining about it, even when they’ve clearly lost.

The terms “overcrowding” and “overpopulation” have different meanings. Overcrowding in major urban centers does not necessarily mean overpopulation. The rural areas of the Philippines are not overcrowded or overpopulated. Most of the people in extreme poverty are victims of foreign economic exploitation and unfair economic and political systems. Many poor and middle class families were pushed into extreme poverty by discriminatory and non-inclusive economic policies of the government. Manila is not a confined area, unlike a petri dish. Freedom of movement or freedom to travel is guaranteed by the Philippine Constitution. Improvements in communications technologies and infrastructure are expanding business and employment opportunities beyond the major urban centers. Many Filipinos are taking advantage of business and employment opportunities and permanent residence or citizenship in foreign countries.

Jane Tan

Lol… yeah, but opportunities are so much better in the urban areas. Any person living in a rural area would tell you that, if given a chance, they would move to Metro Manila. How about you, would you give-up your Internet to live in the rural area to give space for “overcrowding”?

Uh Filipinos are not taking advantage of business and employment opportunities in foreign countries if they can help it. Most anti-RH preach about Filipinos being pro-family – how is it pro-family to leave your family to work in another country or marry a foreigner? Sadly, what it means to be pro-family has been skewed due to lack of resources to support said-family, forcing a person to leave his/her family and to travel to another country in order to make ends meet.

The fast-growing economy of the Philippines is being driven by its youthful population. Instead of being a detriment, the population growth of the Philippines is boosting the economy. Economies of scale, more efficient management of resources, and technological advances are helping lift the economy. Even top CEOs are bullish on the Philippines. Women and children will be the biggest beneficiaries of a more inclusive economic growth. It took Britain about 150 years to double GDP per capita, the US about 50 years, and Japan about 30 years. It is taking China and India about 20 years to double GDP per capita. The Philippines, with its fast-growing economy, is on its way to double GDP per capita in about the same period as China and India. The Philippines has a favorable demographic profile. Implementation of the RH law will have detrimental demographic consequences and increase the costs of healthcare for young workers, the elderly, and the general population. Countries with an aging population and population imbalance face the possibility of economic decline. Many countries are reversing their population control programs. The passage of the RH bill is a step backward for the Philippines. The pro-RH special interest groups are the modern-day false prophets and profiteers of doom and gloom.

brunogiordano

Ilang beses na nai post iyan katulad ng argumento mo.

Resulta, RH batas na ngayon!!!!

http://profile.yahoo.com/Y5JT275WY633AWI6T3A3QDAX7U Kailian

Bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo, yan ang argument mo stupid.

Jane Tan

Uh no.. the slow-growing economy of the Philippines is being driven by OFWs who are forced to work abroad due to the lack of jobs, or lack of decent-paying jobs that would enable them to support their huge families. Didn’t you get it when Father whatsisname said that overpopulation would be good for more OFWs? Overpopulation leads to unemployment, and Filipinos being naturally resourceful, seek jobs in other countries. Sadly, rather than making our country better, we are working in other countries making them better.

This comment is trying to impart that the RHB enforces population reduction. (scare mongering and stupid argument) THE LAW HAS NOTHING IN IT THAT IMPOSES CHILD BEARING RESTRICTIONS. You can have as many kids as you want.

“Many countries are reversing their population control programs.” (another disinformation and scare mongering) Nobody has to reverse anyting because the RHB is not a population control law but a population management enabling law. The law empowers women to decide how many kids they want to have.

“Countries with an aging population and population imbalance face the possibility of economic decline.”(another scare mongering) If this moron even cared to check the statistics, 2011 census indicate that the 0-14 years old is 34.6% of the 92million population and 64 and older is only 4.3%. Now, do the math considering that we have one the highest growth rate in all of Asia at 2.4% and an average life span of 71.66 years.

Eto ang isang example na natuto sa mga pari at obispo.

brunogiordano

“But Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said the Church’s fight against the “culture of death” would continue.”

It’s no use crying over spilled milk.

Try your luck next year.

DIVORCE BILL

TAXATION NG MGA RELIGION AT KULTO BILL.

$31552910

This section in the RH law is an infringement on the fundamental right to marry.

“SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on responsible parenthood, family planning, breastfeeding and infant nutrition. “

Jane Tan

? You do realize that, before the RH Bill, attending a family planning seminar is a requirement for a marriage license? All the RH Bill did was make it so the couple would go to a Family Planning Office that would be set-up by the RH Bill and not some priest or person that doesn’t know what the heck it takes to raise a family.

“Maternal mortality also remains high, with 162 deaths for every 100,000 live births, while 10 women die every day from pregnancy or childbirth-related complications”- according to the Commission on Women.
If that report of the commission is not Pro-life, then i don’t know what is.

But I do know, just like educators, scientists and doctors do, that when there is no union of cell from the couple during copulation, there is no life yet and therefore no life is aborted, contrary to the distorted notion and outdated teaching of the bishops. The church is using RH in persecuting the Pro-RH for contradicting their belief, an old, outdated and passe, which has no scientific basis but totally based on “sabi ng Lolo ng lolo ko”.

The church persecution of the Pro-RH is comparable to the prosecution of galileo by the church when galileo contradicted the catholic church in its tenet that the world is flat.

Wikipedia reported that “Galileo case was an example of the church refusing to abandon outdated or incorrect teaching and clinging to tradition”.

These anti’s are free to bring their case in SC but just like:
1) the embarrassment they received when congress and senate approved RH overwhelmingly,
2) when GMA was roundly rejected by the people throughout her stay as president by giving her negative ratings despite the bishops assurance that she can govern because “everyone cheats anyway” and the many blessings she received after bribing them with SUV and free expenses for their luxurious lifestyles.
3) when bishops blessed Corona in his impeachment trial hoping he will be acquitted but the contrary happened because of the blessings
4) when the people are now looking at the bishops as the bad guy resulting in slowly decimation of believers,
the church will suffer more embarrassment.

It was only in 1992, (almost 400 years after the Church charged Galileo with heresy) when Pope John Paul II finally accepted the theory of the Italian mathematician and astronomer as true.

How many centuries more do this Filipino bishops and priests have to wait until they accept reality?

Kamatis Tomato

The May election is your last straw. If you cannot muster votes against the pro RH congressmen and Senators forever close your mouths.

Beguine

When you come right down to it, what the priests and bishops and the
Catholic Church as a whole are deathly afraid of is that the RH law
might work and put in effect a marked decrease in the ever continuing
population boom in the absence of such an RH law. It’s as simple as
making poor folks more careful about procreating and making lots of
babies by using condoms and such.

It all boils down to free condom distribution and the priests and bishops
are against that? In all probability, they need free condoms, too.

http://profile.yahoo.com/Y5JT275WY633AWI6T3A3QDAX7U Kailian

Pano baka maubosan sila ng gagamitin nila sa mga boy toy nila.

MULEN

There’s no such thing as Roman Catholic voting bloc and the RCC faithfuls should be proud of it. This means that the members are not that naive and won’t blindly follow whatever their church leaders tell them what to do particularly on secular matters. Kaya huwag ninyong ipagpilit na merong Roman Catholic votes at bagkus ikatuwa pa dahil hindi naging sunod-sunoran sa mga gusto ng lideres lalo na sa usaping secular, hindi katulad ng iba dyan.

right on. They like to point out that corruption is keeping us down, but what have they been doing about it? If they rallied against corruption like they did against RH ten years ago, they could have made a difference in society. Not they are squandering valuable time and money that could instead be used for feeding the poor or fighting corruption.

Tony Deb

The bishops morality is truly twisted. They did not rally against Gloria when she was flagrantly stealing from the people because she was anti-RH.

muddygoose

These people are willing to keep us poor and shatter any hope of development only to keep their ancient organization relevant.

bgcorg

The fight against the rh bill then is not about perpetuation of influence or power of the Church in the Philippines, as some mistakenly project it is. It is not about the Church versus the State and its extreme secularistic leanings. It is about the sanctity of life, its integrity, respect for the Constitution. That pro-life advocates would bring this up to the high court, after its signing into law, is only logical and should not be misunderstood. Even if the bill had languished for many years in Congress before now, nobody had asked the question why except to point out, wrongly, that the Church would like people to continue living in misery. In truth and in fact, this is the duty of the State, not to suppress human births, but to enable each constituent to be fully developed by temporal society into his fullness as a human person in a climate of peace and justice. This social order should be the aim of the state, protect life and property and give equal opportunities to its constituents: giving them bread really instead of cake in the form of condoms and contraceptives.

In the haste to approve an anti-life law and introduce a culture of death in the land, the reapers shall get the fury of the wind. The division will remain; signing the bill into law did not erase the high regard for life in any form, before, during or after birth until death. The Constitution safeguard our basic freedoms: life, speech, from want, and religion.

bpuharic

If you’re prolife, did you READ the statistics for maternal deaths? You’re not prolife, you’re anti-woman and anti-sex. Women should not have to pay with their lives for having sex

Jane Tan

And how can you be sure of this? This is the last country without a divorce law. With an RH Bill that can and may effectively reduce increasing poverty, which the Church thrives on, it will also effectively reduce the number of followers.

Take Singapore, followers here are merely followers that want to do good. There are no poverty-stricken people that go to Church to renew their faith because there are no poverty-stricken people. Poverty creates followers. Its a sad truth but it is what is happening in the Philippines. I’m not saying it is wrong but it is how it works.

I don’t know how many times that I should point this out to you, but abortion is NOT part of the RH bill! Sanctity of life is PRESERVED. It’s time to move on already.

tarikan

You equate Filipinos to rabbits (no free will). Have sex will conceive. It’s not like every time a couple have sex their intention is to make babies. Sometimes mag-enjoy naman. And if some people don’t believe in this they are hypocrites.

joshmale2004

If I am an SC judge, and you file your case on the RH bill, I will ask you to explain and give your evidence on the following questions. If you can not prove your argument, then I will vote to dismiss your case.
1. How do you define the unborn.
2. How does the state suppress human rights with the enactment of RH Bill.
3. Have you read the entire RH Bill and what part or specific section do you believe is anti life.
4. How does the pill kill the unborn?
5. What specific freedom you have lost with the promulgation of the RH Bill?
6. Do you believe that the egg cell alone is considered already as unborn?
7. If yes, can you prove or show medical evidences that the egg cell is considered unborn?

Those are some of the many questions the judges will ask the petitioner. So if you want to win your case with the SC, better start preparing you answer now. If you can not explain these basic court questions, better forget about going to the SC.

Tony Deb

And what will you do if the Supreme Court shoots down your petition? Are you aware that your sanctimonious, moralizing, holier-than-thou tone sounds so offensive and insulting to the truly religious people of other denominations and faiths. You should go out and dialog with well-meaning genuinely religious people who not believe that contraception is evil or anti-life but a means for poor families to give all of their children decent and meaningful lives. How much more pro-life can that be?

Are you even aware that many of the Ramon Catholic priests and nuns who are truly one with the poor, who work in the urban and rural poor communities living truly Christian lives providing succor to the poorest of the poor, are pro-RH because they are aware of the realities in poor communities where patriarchy holds sway. In these villages, many women cannot plan their families adequately because even during times when they don’t want to get pregnant they are unable to prevent their husbands from forcing themselves on the them during ovulation. It is not anti-life to prevent a woman from resorting to a safe means to prevent her from conceiving a child that she knows her family could not adequately provide for. A jeepney driver with ten children whom he allows to loiter in the street and beg for money for food is not living a virtuous Christian life even though he may have just been following the dictates of his Bishop.

You say practice Natural Family Planning but the Catholic does virtually nothing to promote or help families implement it. It is also ineffective in cases where the husband is non-cooperative, which they are more often than not.

All we are asking of you is not to presume the ill-will, bad faith, ignorance or blindness to the Truth of the pro-RH people. We are motivated primarily by our concern for the poor and the prosperity of nation, and believe it or not, many of us, not just non-Catholics are motivated by our faith.

“Religions are all alike – founded on fables & mythologies,” a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

tarikan

A Catholic vote is also a myth.

kilabot

sc or no sc.
the world agenda is to make the abnormal the new normal;
1) dangerous drugs;
2) same-sex marriage;
3) man-beast union;
4) prostitution;
5) pedophilia;
6) abortion;

the agenda is being pushed around the world;
some countries have already legalized one or more of the agenda items;
the push is intensifying; targeting world leaders and people of influence;
uk, france, netherlands, spain, sweden, southafrica, argentina and canada have fallen;
obama, clinton and carter have fallen; the whole usa may fall soon;
noykapon has fallen; so do many ph politicians and academics; ph on the verge of falling;

everything will be redefined;
freedom means free condom;
$sodomy becomes love; bestialisex is affection; a toilet bowl becomes a sex object;
a junkie is chic; a prostitute is enterprising;
adopting the agenda is equated to progress, prosperity and advancement;

the idea is to make the world one big orgy; all people thinking, behaving and acting alike;
one world order; the reign of the great pervert;
there will be no more right nor wrong; there is only normal perversion;

time to choose which side you are on; fence-sitting not recommended.

No to perversion!
No to rhlaw.

Komen To

Now I’m beginning to believe that if con is against the pro, then congress is against progress. If the Philippines is alive today because of the contributions of the OFWs, congress wants to limit our no. export, in the guise of saving lives…

Tony Deb

And do you honestly believe the Philippines where the Catholic Church plays a prominent role can be held up as a paragon of virtue? Where incest, clerical pedophilia, child prostitution, robbery, graft and corruption, murder, environmental abuse, unbridled exploitation of the poor by the rich, etc. is much, much more common than in the more atheistic/agnostic leaning countries in Scandinavia and Northern Europe. You must be living in a different universe.

wehd1nga

the fight for life continues, NO to Pro RH and Liberal Party candidates,

Hey! What happened to the red, red ribbon campaign as ordered by the CBCP as token of the faithfuls’ anger towards the RH Bill (Law)? Has anyone seen them around? Where’s the media? No one reported on this? What…nothing to report? Hmmm.

rbrtsmith

what’s with these anti-rh people? agents of the government will not abduct you and forcibly put a condom on your small d1cks, it’s OPTIONAL..that’s why this “evil” bill still respects you because it is optional!..how come these priests speaks for the poor when not a single priests in this country practice the vow of poverty.. the real epitome of the poor is only the poor themselves..

Those who are for CONTRAception must read and understand the word CONTRA which is “Against” and ception means “LIFE” so what is right about AGAINST LIFE? You may have been educated but it rarely reaches the head…

Komen To

You hit the target

joshmale2004

Huh??? He completely missed the target lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents 2¢

‘Ception’ does not mean ‘life’ at all. Your definition is a complete lie.

contraception [kon′trəsep′shən] Etymology: L, contra + concipere, to take in

How dare you mention education when you clearly have none!

brunogiordano

‘Ception’ does not mean ‘life’ at all. Your definition is a complete lie.

Are you not surprise these hypocrites calling themselves obispos have not issued statement attributing Pnoy’s drop in the latest SWS rating as GOD’s Christmas gift to him? While on the same subject, what day will these frigging donation chasers announce to all and sundries the recent storm which killed 15 people was also GOD’s retribution to congress members who approved the RH bill?

Why is it that in other countries bishops, archbishops, cardinals and priest are hardly heard from? Are our homegrown truly shameful?

basilionisisa

so sick and tired of reading ‘news’ re the anti-RH Law groups that perhaps i should give one last ‘advice’ (or two) before i totally shun them from now on:

Don’t waste SC time as they are already burdened with MORE important cases like the Ampatuans, GMA’s crimes and various corruption and desaparecidos cases.

MOVE ON! Leave people alone to their choices, you are not RESPONSIBLE for them, LET them BE if you think their Will leads them to ‘Hell’, let it be, it’s their decision. Judge them, curse them as much as you like, but don’t INTERFERE with them.

and quoting from your own Fr Jerry Orbos:

For a happy and peaceful 2013, remember: “Life is too short to be
unhappy, so laugh when you can, apologize when you should, LET GO of
what you CAN’T change, love deeply, forgive quickly, take chances, smile
when you are sad. Love what you got, and stay faithful to what you
have. People change and things go wrong, but with God’s grace, life is,
and will be, beautiful.”

Peace be with your spirit.

picker_blend

spain is undergoing economic recession today. maybe their obispos, frailes, and sacerdotes can blame someone because in spain today, reproductive health rights and divorce are available and legal.

joshmale2004

Stop speculating on Spain’s economy if you are not an economist and do not know their actual situation. You are just creating confusion among Filipinos. Their RH Law has nothing to do with their economy right now. Check Global Business analysis and very clearly, Spain’s economic predicament is brought about by their heavy reliance on External Financing in servicing their Internal Account Deficits. Banks have also stopped granting loans due to the shut down in global money markets. If you want to know a detailed report, read the analysis of their top economists. This is the real and verifiable reason and not your insinuation of the effect of their RH Bill.

Germany, which is largely Protestant and where a large proportion of the citizens no longer go to church, is prospering. So are Sweden and other Nordic countries, where more than half of the population are agnostics and atheists. Reproductive health rights and divorce are well entrenched in these countries, and all over Europe for that matter.

Rizal, until his last breath, fought for the truth for the Filipinos. Things have changed. The priests are now on the people’s side against big condom and pills businessmen, the real beneficiaries of this bill. Wake up folks. You may get a shower of the benefits of this bill by receiving free condoms, but the real flood money goes to these big manufacturers who are simply laughing at us.

Watch tv, see how the poor Filipinos in the countryside cannot get good medical attention simply because our clinics (not hospitals) in the barrios don’t have medicines. Now they will be full of condoms

Yup, Rizal fought on the side of the Filipino people against the abuses of Spanish friars and against blind obedience to the Roman Catholic Church. He coined the name Padre Damaso if you know your history. You’re so naive in bringing up Rizal vis a vis the issues involving the Roman Catholic Church.

And after the Supreme Court where will they go? These hard-headed anti RH just want to sow division instead of unity; hatred instead of love; injury instead of pardon; hostility instead of peace. Because of what they did there’s danger that there will be a continuing division within the Catholic Church.

Actually there is no problem with Catholic Religion and its Church as this is the House of God. The real problem is that some of the people running God’s Church act like they are at level if not higher than God Himself. This is wrong. They should have been devoting their time feeding their flocks with spiritual foods, finding and sheltering lost flocks, and giving guidance to people who have lost their faith. But it seems they have lost sight of their real purpose and slowly transforming into politicians and state policy makers and some even businessmen. Even when Jesus was with His people on earth, He never confronted Caesar on governing his empire nor creating laws which were even Anti God policies. He just kept going around towns spreading the word of God. His words were “Give God what is due God and give Caesar what is due Caesar”, which if we interpret during our time now is the “separation of church and state”.

‘Such sour losers, these Mitsubishops and pedophile priests. They can’t even keep their vow of poverty and chastity, now they show their ungentlemanly and unsporstmanly side. They should pay taxes to be considered or else shut up and stop their self-serving propaganda.

.UNCONSTITUTIONAL..ARTICLE VI Section 26 (1) Every bill passed by the Congress shall embrace only one subject which shall be expressed in the title thereof…
.A bill must relate to only one subject matter which must be expressed in its title…AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A NATIONAL POLICY ON RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD AND REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ..clearly TWO TITLES….responsible parenthood & reproductive health…

UNCONSTITUTIONAL & it RUNS counter to its DECLARED policy..PREVENTING occurence of LIFE…by means of STATE INTERVENTION……which is sacred in our CONSTITUTION and as a nation…EQUALITY extends to right to be BORN ALIVE without STATE or outside intervention ..STATE funding the means of PREVENTION, INTERVENTION & DEPRIVATION TO LIFE runs amuck to the bill of rights..RIGHT to LIFE, EQUALITY & EQUAL PROTECTION … clearly USE & FUNDING of RH is a PREVENTION & INTERVENTION to continuity of life…….SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy Pursuant to the declaration of State policies under Section 12, Article II of the 1987 Philippine Constitution, it is the duty of the State to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution and equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The State shall protect and promote the right to health of women especially mothers in particular and of the people in general and instill health consciousness among them. The family is the natural and fundamental unit of society. The State shall likewise protect and advance the right of families in particular and the people in general to a balanced and healthful environment in accord with the rhythm and harmony of nature. The State also recognizes and guarantees the promotion and equal protection of the welfare and rights of children, the youth, and the unborn

UNCONSTITUTIONAL……”SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance…. . excessive requirement..the family code states that LICENSE to marry can be WAIVED & exempted..like in the cases provided in Articles 27, 28, 31, 32 and 34 of the Family Code of the Philippines, …. the same with wealth of jurisprudence… it runs counter to declared policy of RH law itself..about strenghtening of family… SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy Pursuant to the declaration of State policies under Section 12, Article II of the 1987 Philippine Constitution, it is the duty of the State to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution and equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The family is the natural and fundamental unit of society. The State shall likewise protect and advance the right of families in particular and the people in general to a balanced and healthful environment in accord with the rhythm and harmony of nature.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL yan..CLASS LEGISLATION against the POOR & FUTURE generation of filipinos…(o) Poor refers to members of households identified as poor through the NHTS-PR by the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) or any subsequent system used by the national government in identifying the poor. .& GENOCIDE of FUTURE generations of full blood filipinos which is INIMICAL to country’s interest & survival as a race….with the INTERVENTION of the state which leads to DEPRIVATION to right to life & POPULATION as requirement for STATEHOOD ..the ENTIRE gamut of the CONSTITUTION ( from art 1 to art XVIII) are RENDERED INUTILE & GROSSLY VIOLATED ……..!

UNCONSTITUTIONAL..the LAW specifically TARGETED POPULATION GROWTH of the FILIPINO RACE …which is a SINE QUANON requirement of a going concern,continuing & immortal STATE…” PEOPLE “…(people, territory & govt )…p) Reproductive Health (RH) refers to the state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, in ALL MATTERS relating to the REPRODUCTIVE system and to its functions and processes. This implies that people are able to have a responsible, safe, consensual and satisfying sex life, that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when, and how often to do so. This further implies that women and men attain equal relationships in matters related to sexual relations and reproduction…SIGURO kung meron ng RH ng ipinanganak ang mga POLITIKO na pumirma dito..ABORTED ang law na ito…malamang nasa basurahan sila katulad ng condom…dapat ang TARGET lang ng RH yun me MENTAL & PHYSICAL problems HINDI yung poor at filipino race in general…

No.
1.) The title is one, though the law is for two purposes: responsible parenthood and reproductive health. What is wrong about the law having two or more purposes?
2.) RH Law does not force couples to contracept for you to say that it deprives of or prevents occurrence of life.
3.) RH Law does not cause abortion.
4.) RH Law does not force couples to reduce their number of children as for population control in the country.

I hope you are a lawyer or you have one, and petition for your ideas before the Supreme Court. Good luck!

http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

lang wenta..puro hangin..

tonyoks

aynstayn,

distorted ang facts mo.
china and india just recently achieved some world class economic prestige not because of their population but because they have the adequate infrastructure backbone to support their growing population and economy.

china once promoted a two baby policy decades back and they are reaping the the fruits of it now.

they can always re-populate if they felt that their populace is waning…

Albert Einstien

my friend….china is abandonng its one child policy…they already started, keeping it low key & didn’t want to ALARM the world….China first started relaxing the policy in 2011, when the municipal commission of population and family planning rolled back some obscure limits in cities like Beijing.

open your mind my friend..china is abandoning one child policy..& india..Population Growth? No Problem, Says Indian Think Tank “India and the Philippines reap benefits of the demographic dividend of having younger populations,” stated the Indian market-liberal Barun Mitra, Population control is often based on the argument that it is necessary for socio-economic development, and that parents are unable to rationally decide on their family size. The downside of enforced population targets however is that it not leads to an aging population but also to distortions in the gender ration because of a preference for sons, and to greater violence against women. “China is the first country in history to become old before becoming rich,” Barun Mitra stated. “A younger population is needed for a society to come up with new and innovative ideas, and also to able to care for older citizens. India and the Philippines will see this effect in the near future.” .

both CHINA & INDIA see that POPULATION is a foundation of a great nation

if all the priests and the clergy in every villages will help in the campaigning and with the Bishops in towns, cities and provinces monitoring then there will be an anti-liberal vote in 2013. If the priests will organize in their provinces, every towns and in every villages to gather and guard the catholic votes against the Liberal candidates then the Liberals will lost in the May 2013 elections. The Catholic Church is well organize in every village, they must take this as an opportunity to disprove the President’s finding that majority of the Filipinos wants the RH Law . They have to campaign well for 90 days in every Barangay in their parishes not to vote for the Liberal candidates, local and national, and come up with an alternative candidates who are non-LP and pro-Catholic Church. This is democracy and everyone has the right to vote, to campaign for or against a candidate. The Catholics like any ordinary citizen have this kind of liberty. If the Catholic Church WILL NOT campaign this May 2013, defeat the Liberals and make the Catholic votes be heard then expect some liberal laws in Congress be passed which are contrary to Catholic principles, faith and values like the divorce bill and same-sex marriage bill. To defeat the Liberals this May 2013 might be inexpensive and very easy compared to having them be elected and us protesting in the streets for the next 3 years for the Liberal dominated anti-catholic laws be passed. Make use of the Catholic parishes in every Barangay as an organization NOT to vote any LP Candidate.

joshmale2004

You consume too much space for just 1 objective. If you want the LPs wiped out next year, Just shout and campaign STRAIGHT UNA. No need to hide the church’s collaboration with UNA.

carlos_premacio

If it will be UNA, then campaign for UNA Candidates in every parishes in every village to defeat the anti-catholic liberals.

joshmale2004

Correct. You got my point. Now you are talking.

willbillywilly

So in short, what you are contemplating the public is to vote for a candidate no matter how corrupt that may be as long as he’s anti RH.
Like Gloria, Marcos & Binay & comp. You must be the JOKER

carlos_premacio

And you are also going to vote pro-RH Bill like your JOKER ARROYO in the Senate, the pro GMA EDCEL LAGMAN author of RH Bill, the ANGARA’s who oppressed the Aurora province and enriching themselves in their ‘white elephant’ economic zone, the daughter of your VP BINAY, DATUMANONG of Maguindanao at the height of the Ampatuan? the famous JALOSJOS family? JACK PONCE-ENRILE? VILLAR? ZUBIRI of the GMA camp? and of course your pro RH Bill JULES LEDESMA who only attended the voting of RH with ZERO attendance at the expense of millions of pesos of taxpayers’ money paying for his salary to feed his family, his perks and pork barrel? Oh my God! These are the leaders who are PRO RH you are going to vote this May 2013?

Yes, my suggestion is to to prove that the President and the Liberal is wrong. the Catholic Church must actively organize and campaign in every parishes all over the country and defeat the anti-catholic liberals in the government.

Your allegations is also true to pastors of other protestant and evangelical churches and “born again” Christians who are also liar.

if the Liberals are influenced by the leftists who got their ideology from Mao Zedong then they should also leave the Philippines and stay in China or in North Korea to intercourse with the Kim. What I am saying is that the Catholics, just like you, have the right to campaign for or against the candidate. As I am with the Catholics in their stand against the RH Law, it is also our right to express our disgust, our right to go to the courts and our rights to campaign against the Liberals. As I will say, the Catholic Church will succeed if all the priests in the Parishes in every village will campaign against the candidates of PNoy then we will become a liberal-free country. The pattern of the laws passed by the Liberals are leftist in leaning and, to me, is an anti-catholic. And as Catholic, like your rights guaranteed in the constitution, I have to protect my faith and my religion.

watot

Our vote is just base on this RH bill, u think we are that stupid? Who shall we vote then? As far as I’m concern though this govt is not that perfect as the Bishop would have wanted, its far better than the previous govt. i wouldnt gamble for another GMA type of govt. if PNoy continues this performance I will vote for another LP. Kahit sabihin mong political moves ang mga sinasagaan nila, di bale puro hardcore corrupt naman. As early as now Binay is showing he will be like GMA.

joshmale2004

“As early as now Binay is showing he will be like GMA.”

Your statement is correct. GMA will use its money to buy one winnable presidentiable in the next election. That’s the only way GMA can get out of the mess she is in right now.If that candidate win sponsored by GMA money, then forget about GMA being convicted. She may not be acquitted but she will be allowed to leave the country for good and for medical reason.Of the following possible presidential candidates, Roxas, Binay, Escudero, Binay is the most likely GMA can buy.

carlos_premacio

The RH Law and the Liberals in the Government infiltrated by the Leftists who are remnants of the purging of their kinds in the 80’s are ANTI-CATHOLIC. And I am a Catholic and I have to defend my faith and my religion. To the Catholic Church, this is my suggestion to campaign in every parish in every villages all over the country. Guard the votes of the catholic and defeat the Liberals.

The Catholic must NOT vote for leaders who are like collaborators AQUINO who sold the country during the Second World War and do NOT vote for CORRUPT GMA who cuddled the Peping and Ting-Ting Cojuangco when they were enjoying their powers.

carlos_premacio

and pastors in born again churches also raping their daughters. they love RH also.

joshmale2004

Can you name specifically some that you know of instead of generally gossip mongering.

If I am an SC judge, and you file your case on the RH bill, I will ask you to explain and give your evidence on the following questions. If you can not prove your argument, then I will vote to dismiss your case.1. How do you define the unborn.2. How does the state suppress human rights with the enactment of RH Bill.3. Have you read the entire RH Bill and what part or specific section do you believe is anti life.4. How does the pill kill the unborn?5. What specific freedom you have lost with the promulgation of the RH Bill?6. Do you believe that the egg cell alone is considered already as unborn?7. If yes, can you prove or show medical evidences that the egg cell is considered unborn?
Those are some of the many questions the judges will ask the petitioner. So if you want to win your case with the SC, better start preparing you answer now. If you can not explain these basic court questions, better forget about going to the SC.

Albert Einstien

your honor ..happens to be MY FRIEND …..please read 1 million times..again & again..RH Law , constitution & jurisprudence…..especially state intervention & funding…..which cause deprivation of life & obliterate continued growth of FILIPINO RACE & end the immortality of a STATE….i can draft your decision or just the dispositive portion if you may…….lol : > )

joshmale2004

THEN CASE DISMISSED. Copy pasting is inadmissible evidence in this court. the Court is asking specific questions, you should answer specifically.

Albert Einstien

there is already the ANSWER your honor…it seems you dont really know basic law your honor…on what ground you anchor your objection to copy pasting as inadmissible in evidence sir…..i’m ASHAMED to be your friend now your honor…..just kidding you are still my friend ….though i need an sc judge pet like you …you cant dismissed the case your vote is only ONEcount …you cant be a majority by yourself ALONE your honor…..by the way they dont call sc judge..they call them sc justice ..hope i’m educating you again & again your honor….lol

joshmale2004

Hahaha. Just a simulation pare. You know I always respected your position kahit we are not on the same side.

•
Genesis 1:22
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
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Genesis 9:7
And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.
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Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

I advise you not to my friend. Hindi pa tapos ang kainitan ng RH Bill nor have not yet been started nor seen or manifested what will be the real effect. It’s not good to abandon your colleagues in one unfinished battle and start another one specially if the next battle, you will not be on their side.

Albert Einstien

if you are a chess player you should be expert in SIMUL…. : > )

joshmale2004

Aaaah. diyan magkakasundo tayo pre. Hope one day we can meet personally and play a couple of chess games. But be warned, I was a national player during my college days with ranking. Your plus is that was 30 years ago. Hehehehe.

Albert Einstien

what is your elo …ask for baby deep blue in the elite chess world so that you know how to beat me….obey the teachings of SUN TZU …know thy opponent……..i only play SIMUL….it’s boring if there’s only one opponent…..ask all pro-rh best chess players (top 30 ) so that .i can play you all at the same time…..that would be fun…lol

if you want i’l make a bet that RH will be declared unconstitutional by SC…..if i lose i give you 2 wins in a best of five games… : > )

You won’t pass to be a municipal judge, not even a lawyer to sign an affidavit of loss. It is not an egg cell that is considered unborn. It is the zygote, that is, the union of sperm and egg cell, which our Constitution and even the Phil Medical Association specifically state as the start of human life. You stop them from continuing to live by the use of pills and other abortificents, constitute curtailing their human rights.

joshmale2004

I know already know that. But this is a simulation of possible questions and answers. Being the judge in simulation, the judge asks question to both contending parties and not to lecture or teach or explain to contending parties the answer to its question. It seems you can not pass even a simple exam of comprehension.

joshmale2004

Stop speculating on Spain’s economy if you are not an economist and do not know their actual situation. You are just creating confusion among Filipinos. Their RH Law has nothing to do with their economy right now. Check Global Business analysis and very clearly, Spain’s economic predicament is brought about by their heavy reliance on External Financing in servicing their Internal Account Deficits. Banks have also stopped granting loans due to the shut down in global money markets. If you want to know a detailed report, read the analysis of their top economists. This is the real and verifiable reason and not your insinuation of the effect of their RH Bill.

ever green

someone should also ask the supreme court of the Church not paying any taxes…..

Dieserweg

I don’t know if it is such a wise idea to tax a business entity, in this case, those run by a church – all churches included, such as the INC, the Mormons, 7th day Adventist, etc. As this is business, they will just pass the added tax to consumers, that is us. So every time a government tax a corporation, it is the end users who are actually being taxed, not the business. You can look that up on the receipts handed to you at jolibee, mcdo, or even DIY, ACE, Shell, Chevron, among others.

ApoNiLolo

You mixed-up the difference between VAT and income tax. While you’re right about VAT being passed to consumers for “spending” on specific commodities, income tax, on the other hand is a form of taxation for “earning”.

The question is; how can the BIR determine how much a certain religious entity earns in one fiscal year? To do that, the church will be force to issue receipt to every member who gave their “donation” at every mass attendance. >: D

firmelilia_12LAF

Archbishop Angel Lagdameo: “The future will tell where wisdom has been.” I like this. Indeed, at this point in time, nobody can be absolutely sure where wisdom resides, pro or anti RH advocates, in the approval of the bill. In my humble opinion, it is in committing a grave wrong where wisdom radiates its enlightening rays for concerned humans to see. Let right correct wrong wherever, whenever its course demands its necessity.

watot

These Bishops disregards that there are other religions in this country. PNoy is a president not a pope. His duty is to do what is best for all not for a specific religion. The church can still continue to teach their flocks and no law stopping them. If they fail to influence then this RH acts as a another gating. What these Bishops should do is to help this govt eradicate corruption. First they should do is stop giving special thanks to these politicians contributing for their church, stop providing special seats, acknowledging their presence during mass. In our province this is still very common.

joshmale2004

“As early as now Binay is showing he will be like GMA.”
Your statement is correct. GMA will use its money to buy one winnable presidentiable in the next election. That’s the only way GMA can get out of the mess she is in right now.If that candidate win sponsored by GMA money, then forget about GMA being convicted. She may not be acquitted but she will be allowed to leave the country for good and for medical reason.Of the following possible presidential candidates, Roxas, Binay, Escudero, Binay is the most likely GMA can buy.

This section in the RH law is an infringement on the fundamental right to marry. Filipinos are losing another freedom from this racist and totalitarian RH law. Attending a family planning seminar should be optional or voluntary, not mandatory. Should romantic couples be required to have a Certificate of Compliance from the Family Planning Office?

“SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on responsible parenthood, family planning, breastfeeding and infant nutrition. “

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

‘Racist’?

My God, you people are maniacs.

Albert Einstien

correct…opening ANOTHER FLOOD GATE of corruption …besides that is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL excessive requirement..the family code states that LICENSE to marry can be WAIVED & exempted..like in the cases provided in Articles 27, 28, 31, 32 and 34 of the Family Code of the Philippines, …. the same with wealth of jurisprudence… it runs counter to declared policy of RH law itself..about strenghtening of family… SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy Pursuant to the declaration of State policies under Section 12, Article II of the 1987 Philippine Constitution, it is the duty of the State to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution and equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The family is the natural and fundamental unit of society. The State shall likewise protect and advance the right of families in particular and the people in general to a balanced and healthful environment in accord with the rhythm and harmony of nature.

rbrtsmith

almost all bill passed is/can be a source of corruption. even those gov’t agency that is generally helpful is, just like philhealth, sss etc… you mean we stop creating laws and close these departments altoghether?

Albert Einstien

please read 1 million times sir & comprehend….my friend..

rbrtsmith

i have, with the emphasis on the “ANOTHER FLOOD GATE of corruption” sir..

Albert Einstien

really?…lol

anyway …..on corruption issue…excessive unconstitutional requirement is RED TAPE…instead of simplifying systems of getting license this law make it very hard..& it will entail additional burden & expenses ..by going to multiple process burdens in addition to ALL previous requirements..thereby defeating the constitutional mandate to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution…as well as the declaration of policy ( sec 2 ) by rh law itself…couples will just live together & family as institution will go extinct.. : > )

Jane Tan

Yeah dude… say this person whom you love more than anything in the world and want to spend the rest of your life with, yet you can’t even attend one family planning seminar for her? Definitely says something about your commitment.

Albert Einstien

lol..love is best illustrated by lines in the forehead of lovers with the CO-MIXTION & UNION of their souls….NOT in long line of family planning govt offices….

but unforgetable love is when you keep longing for it even when you are in your deathbed with last one breath away to eternity….try to remember that….. my friend : > )

Jane Tan

No connection. If you’re going to bring “souls” into this, don’t bother with a physical marriage since it is only a piece of paper. Your argument is moot. Noone here needs to know what you consider love. The feeling is universal but the concept or what a person feels as love may be different. No need to bring abstract things into the argument just because you can’t diffuse my reply or to try to sound like you actually know something.

Jane Tan

Lol… another ignorant retard making a mountain out of a molehill.

Article 27 applies when they are at the point of death. If it is at all relevant or we can all be sticklers to incriminate a dying man and woman.

Article 28 applies when the couple is located where no possible mode of transportation can reach them – I really doubt it.

Article 31, same as 27.

Article 32, same as 27.

Article 34 – you actually use “live-in” as an argument when you are also preaching Catholic beliefs? Which side are you really on?

Albert Einstien

see my friend…it is well settled already that the family code states that LICENSE to marry can be WAIVED & exempted..like in the cases provided in Articles 27, 28, 31, 32 and 34 of the Family Code of the Philippines, …. the same with wealth of jurisprudence…instead of simplifying systems of getting license this law make it very hard..& it will entail additional burden & expenses ..by going to multiple process burdens in addition to ALL previous requirements..thereby defeating the constitutional mandate to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution…as well as the declaration of policy ( sec 2 ) by rh law itself…couples will just live together & family as institution will go extinct.. : > )

Jane Tan

Ok… did you even read the RH Bill? You are stating that the license to marry can be waived in cases provided in the articles you stated.

RH Bill – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on responsible parenthood, family planning, breastfeeding and infant nutrition.

If they are, let’s say, dying and want to get married asap, they choose to waive the requirement of having a marriage license. If they don’t want to have a marriage license, why would they need to present a certificate of compliance in order to get a marriage license >.> … THEY ALREADY CHOSE TO WAIVE IT.

So fail. You are the one’s complicating things. In fact, the law is simple yet you are turning it over and over trying to find something wrong. I suggest you take-up law before you argue with someone who has.

You people reek of desperation in your attempt to find something wrong with the RH Bill that you go so far as to throw away even the beliefs that you are initially fighting for.

Albert Einstien

LAW is my middlename…& do you feel me desperate….?..lol

do you understand what you are saying..my friend ..it’s just sound like who comes first the chicken or egg…maybe you are confused…..lol

Jane Tan

Nope, I am not. Maybe you are. Here’s a simplification – near death > waive > marry. Nothing wrong with it. I don’t really see where its so complicated.

http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

lang wenta

johndcross1

So what is wrong with this aaaasssshhhhooooleeee!

rbrtsmith

have you been married?the catholic church requires each flock to attend pre-cana seminars and other requirements that includes 3 consecutive sundays before you were allowed to get marry. it is to enlighten you spiritually as a devotee of this said church..now, as a citizen, is it too much for you to attend such seminars that could be useful to your social status? though it is required, only the infos will be given to you, its still your call on how you live your married life.. the thing is it limits your understanding and logic once you detest it(just like this rh bill).. hinahanapan mo lang ng butas.. grow up!

yep, the church people will tell you it’s a must..pero when you appear only during the actual baptism there’s no way of identifying kung sino yung umattend o hindi, as what i have experienced lang.. hahaha(for calling me bob).

Jane Tan

Are you even a Filipino? Do you even know what is written in our Constitution? You anti-RH claim to be pro-Philippines when you don’t even know our Constitution. Your fake Patriotism sickens me.

Maybe you should go read up on the Family Code of the Philippines, Marriage – Chapter 1, Article 3 – one of the requisites to marriage is a valid marriage license. And, one of the requirements for a marriage license is to attend a family planning seminar.

Ignorant Unpatriotic Sob. Did you even read Noli Me Tangere? You should be exiled from the country for being so ignorant.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGLQQ2TTZF3BAWUHUWLFWVPZDE Vladymir

bishop bastos

$31552910

China’s one-child policy is voluntary according to Chinese officials. In practice, China’s family planning policy is very coercive. It is administered with incentives and disincentives by the family planning office, neighborhood committees, and work units that give women and families little or no choice but to comply.

Jane Tan

Go live in China then. You seem to enjoy living by the events happening in other countries. There are no disincentives or incentives to using the policies in the RH Bill. If you don’t want to avail of the free condoms, noone is forcing it “down your throat”.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DKHID3EEHTG27U5JXRIIUVKXQA Jose Rizal

Rizal Day is Anti-Noynoying and anti-FAKE heroism day.
Hahahahahahahaha!

12JEM

NAGA CITY—Bishop Gilbert Garcera of the Diocese of Daet, the capital
of Camarines Norte, believes overpopulation has been advantageous to
the Philippines and to the world because it has increased the number
of overseas workers and migrants who could send remittances back home
while taking care of ageing people abroad and spreading the Christian
faith.

Contrary to the aims of the reproductive health (RH) bill,
Garcera said the huge Philippine population could be part of “God’s plan
for Filipinos to be caregivers to ageing nations whose populations had
become stagnant.”

He also said many Filipino women would make “good wives” for foreigners in countries that have low population growth.

Garcera said many countries such as Germany and the United States
had a stable but ageing population that would need people to take care
of them, and that purpose could be served by Filipinos.

“Filipinos have a big mission to the world. Every Filipino child
born is a blessing to the world. Let’s look at the increase in our
population in a more comprehensive sense,” the 53-year-old prelate told
the Inquirer in an interview at an orphanage in this city that he
visited on Thursday.

In light of the Christian faith, Garcera said, the big number of
Filipinos should not be seen as a problem but as an opportunity to help
other people in the world.

“Filipinos have a duty to take care of them,” he said.

He said that the overpopulation that breeds poverty was not a problem because poverty itself was not a problem.

He said poverty even brought people “closer” to God and was
instrumental in realizing God’s plan for Filipinos to take care of other
nationalities by inducing migration and working abroad.

Economically, he said, the country also benefits from the
“mission” because the migrants and overseas Filipino workers send back
money from working as caregivers.

“When you help poor people they help themselves too. This is the
reason we have so many pedicab drivers, for instance. Everyone, when
given the chance, will strive to earn a living,” he said.

In fact, he said, poor people were more willing to help compared to the rich. Hence, a poor person was not a problem, he said.

“We should stop looking at poor people as a problem,” he added.

He said the diaspora of Filipinos was also a way to spread the Christian faith.

“There was this story of a babysitter in
Dubai who started singing the Ama Namin (Our Father) as a lullaby to
the Arab baby she was caring for. The Islamic parents of the child found
the song too good that they started learning it, without knowing that
it was a Christian prayer,” he said.

He said there would come a time when nations that have decreasing populations would rely on the care of Filipinos.

He said the problem in the country was neither overpopulation nor poverty but corruption and the unequal distribution of wealth.

He admitted though that not all provisions
of the RH bill were bad, but he also believed there were some proponents
and supporters of the bill who “were against human nature and against
what God wants.”

johndcross1

Caregiver is a nice sounding job title, but in reality they are housemaid, helper, muchacha, a sexual object of their employer, slave, etc. Filipinos came to this world not to be like this. We are more than this! And this S.O.B. Bishop Garcera is so proud of this. He said poverty brings the people closer to God. No, closer to the pocket of the church. The church thrives on the misery of the people. This is the reason for their existence!

Jane Tan

With the way alot of foreigners are treating their caregivers, I wouldn’t want to pre-determine the fate of a newborn that he/she become a caregiver.

filipinaskoh

@kailan
“Powerful, infallible and all-knowing” that is what THEY thought they are.
“STUPID” that is what WE thought they are!

johndcross1

Stop the sourgraping. You lost the votes! The people don’t like you.

The next urgent bill that congress & the senate to tackle is taxing the church. All tax exemptions of the various religious groups must be removed. All income wither in the form of church donations must be taxed. All church officials, priests, bishops, etc. must file their income tax. For transparency, the church must declare under oath all their holdings, deposits, properties, etc.

http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

The constitution guarantees and protects the freedom of religion. The practice of once religious belief/faith is safeguarded by it.

Majority of the Filipinos are Catholics. RH Bill which was signed into law is against the belief of the Catholics. Therefore it go against the constitution!

Logic! Common Sense! If you have!

Morskie52

Lots of bulls.Twisted logic. The votes do not dictate that you must be a catholic or what, to make the law.

Jane Tan

Fail logic. Fail common sense. Nowhere in the RH Bill is forcing Catholics to go against their faith. In fact, it is the die-hard Catholics that are breaking the law of freedom of religion by forcing their beliefs unto other people.

You don’t even know the law and you quote from it? Please sir, you are just embarrassing the people you are fighting for.

joshmale2004

He is not only embarrassing the people he is fighting for. He’s even embarrassing more his dignity and own personality.

I have said this before and I will say it again. President Aquino signed the RH Bill into law quietly and without fanfare so as not to offend those who oppose the bill. He knows that the anti-RH Bill people are very passionate and emotional about the issue and who would not accept defeat.

He signed it without the glare of klieg lights and without TV cameras so as not to add pain to the injured pride of those priests, bishops and the laity who vigorously fought to prevent the enactment of the bill into law.

But there are those who would not accept defeat graciously and who would rather resort to name calling and irrational actions most unbecoming of men in robes.

I do not see the point of posters and commenters here harassing each other with personal attacks and insults including religion. The Philippine population has many religions and sects and we just need to respect those faiths. Regarding RH Law it has been signed and couples and individuals now have choice to use them or not. this is not mandatory.

Now behave yourselves and stop showing to the world what Filipinos are really made up.

ARIKUTIK

Sex education for population control ideology will be FORCED to young minds of 10 years old pupils in public school. The poor has NO CHOICE. RH law is SELECTIVE Dictatorial law. Imposing Baby Hate immorallity to poor Filipinos. This is not democracy but Forced oppression of the poor including their young children. An evil scheme of the rich and powerful.

joshmale2004

Are you saying that if the curriculum will be applied as law to both public and private, you will support it?

ARIKUTIK

The tricky words pasted on RH Forced sex education for POPULATION CONTROL targets pupils of public schools for they are poor who have no money where to study except in Government Administered elementary schools. Call a spade a spade, trying to dance around will not help because a mother even poor is more intelligent than corrupt politicians. The poor people can surely think better than an Abnoy in malacanang.

If we talk about immorality in the philippines there are a lot of immoralities there corrruption, pork barrel, bribery, political dynasty, political/journalists killings and massacres you name it they are all in the Philippines so moral issues should be set aside. This law is addressing the issue of overpopulation=poverty.

RH Law is in no way “BABY HATE”. Its purpose is to plan how many children you can afford to feed and support. It is immoral just to have sex like animals and pre ceate and procreate without a sense of responsibility to the life that you are about to create.

Now when I was ten I was taught about reproductive system (well sex education started at home by my parents) and there was no malice about it. Men have penis, women have vaginas. Simple. what is wrong with that.

MANILA, Dec. 29, 2012–An Ateneo de Manila theology professor has resigned, realizing that he could “no longer share the path” taken by the Jesuit-led university community that went all-out for the passage of the reproductive health (RH) law despite opposition from the Catholic Church.
Prof. Rafael Dy-Liacco, in a resignation letter, decried the “failure” of Ateneans to reject what he said was an alliance with a “spirit of disdain for the Church” that had worked for the RH bill’s passage.
“That spirit repudiates the Church’s holiness and, at the same time, attempts to assume it for itself (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4). It has manifested at an unusually high level of ferocity, even hatred. It has manifested in the wholesale denigration of the Church – of her teachings, of her bishops, of her catechists, and of her common lay faithful,” said the letter, addressed to the chair of the Ateneo’s theology department and the dean of humanities.
“Whatever material good Ateneans believe they have accomplished by supporting the passage of the Bill, their failure to reject alliance with that spirit, to truly seek counsel with the Church, and to make amends for and to repair whatever harm that their alliance with that spirit is doing and will do to the faith of believers in the Philippines, has not been right,” Dy-Liacco added.
The letter was written on Dec. 28, Feast of the Holy Innocents, the day on which the Church commemorates the massacre of children under King Herod and which resonates today amid the grim reality of abortion. It was on Dec. 28 that news first spread of the clandestine signing of the RH bill last Dec. 21 by President Benigno S. Aquino III, an Ateneo alumnus.
The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines had warned that a “contraceptive mentality” to be promoted by an RH law would lead to an “abortion mentality,” as what has happened in countries that had passed laws making contraception widespread.
In August this year, 192 Ateneo professors signed a statement of support for the RH bill, in open defiance of the shepherds of the Church and lay leaders. Ateneo professors, in a 2008 statement, had claimed Catholics could support the RH bill “in good conscience,” contradicting the papal encyclical Humanae Vitae which reiterated the Church’s ban on contraception.
The move by the 192 professors prompted the Ateneo president, Fr. Jett Villarin, SJ, to release a statement saying that Ateneo was officially against the bill. Villarin’s statement, however, was largely ignored as professors and students continued to call for the passage of the controversial measure, which calls for billions in taxpayers’ money for contraceptives and sterilization.
Dy-Liacco and two other Ateneo theology professors released a statement on Aug. 28 calling out their colleagues for distorting the Church’s teachings on conscience.
In his resignation letter, Dy-Liacco said the “procreative love” between husband and wife as well as the bond between the mother and child from the point at which life begins in the womb are “spiritual realities.”
He said: “One does not need infallible pronouncements from the Magisterium in order to willingly assent to their truth, and to their implications for any path towards genuine human fulfillment.”
The theology professor, who has a Master of Arts in Religion from Yale Divinity School, said the teachings of the Church indeed “clash with the ideologies that rule this age, while her ministers and her teachers are all too human.”
“Often times it seems easier to give up believing that the Church is the Holy Spirit’s work. But the gospels tells us that believing in the Son of God when He became incarnate was not easy either (cf. John 1:11).”
No compromise
Dy-Liacco maintained that there could be no compromise with the spirit of animosity against the Church, “much less collusion with it (cf. Revelation 18:4).”
“The Holy Spirit’s will and that spirit’s will are never the same (cf. CCC 676). It rejects God’s truth (cf. John 8:45). Moreover, when one becomes allied to it, one becomes like it (cf. John 8:44), he said. “Thus here the saying also holds: ‘No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other’ (Matthew 6:24). Because of these realities, I believe that my service to the Church and my service to ADMU no longer coincide, and I believe that I can no longer share the path that ADMU has taken. Therefore I hereby resign both my teaching position and my tenure at ADMU Theology,” he said.
“Throughout my years teaching theology at ADMU, the Bible had increasingly become my primary teaching resource. I had found that the religious virtues, spiritual ideals, and array of theological perspectives on the human condition that are conveyed in the full range of Biblical narratives, from Genesis to Revelation, filled a lacuna that I had noticed in ADMU theology. It was a lacuna in the formation of character and conscience,” he said.
He said he would be judged in the way he had taught his students in grasping the truth. “I wish I had been a better teacher. I wish I had learned more quickly about hewing closely to the truth (cf. 2 Timothy 2:15). I wish I had learned sooner about not putting my own thoughts ahead of God’s teachings (cf. 1 Corinthians 1:20–25). I wish I had understood more deeply about avoiding self-promotion and not seeking praise (cf. 2 Corinthians 4:5). I know that I shall be held accountable for my students’ grasp of the truth (cf. 1 Corinthians 3:10–15).” (Dominic Francisco)

joshmale2004

I din’t know that Ateneo and its students supported the RH Bill. thanks for the information. Another enlightened group. I am sorry for the professor who resigned.

boldyak

contraceptives ay gamit to cater sa “kamunduhan” ng tao…(LxUxSxT….just take out the x’s)

As a citizens who have no power to enact laws. My only recourse to save my children from immorality of Forced Sex education for population control or in plain words children who’s young minds will be tweak to become inhuman Baby Haters is to ask my wife to convince other mothers that RH law of an Abnoy is stepping on moral values of their children. As for ‘Talo, Panalo’ > will God compromise with humans ? According to your knowledge, there is the answer.

joshmale2004

I respect your position as you are talking of your own family. No one even the state can decide or impose what you deem is best for your family. But don’t close your eyes on some realities that our children nowadays are already exposed to sex as early as even 7 years of age. either they learn it from older friends, the internet, TV shows, and magazines. It is a fact that medyo may kaluwagan ang society natin lalo na sa access sa mga adult materials. This ones, we can not monitor our children especially if they learn these things outside of our home. So better think to correct these wrong exposure to sex and teach them the proper way if you do not want the State to teach them in school. Hope you got my point here. If we don’t want the State to do it, we might as well do it as parents.

Ang tamang tanong ay saang planeta nanggaling ang Hibang na Abnoy na nakahawak ng susi ng PDAF. The Abnoy is traped. The mothers of poor pupils in Public school will erupt in flaming rage once Forced Sex education is implemented. Hey Abnoy > better for you to command Sereno to declare RH law is Unconstitutional, that is your only hope of salvation or else Penoy will be known in history as the ABNOY forever.

tTO BOLDYAK:Grow up and think like an adult. There is nothing wrong with sex. Your parents had sex and they have you. What is wrong is having sex and creating babies that you can not feed like what is happening in the Philippines.

ARIKUTIK

You mean RH pills and Forced sex education can feed the hungry. Nice argument of you.

innit1

IT is wrong to have dozens of children that you can not feed. That is why use contraception. Visit your Philippine slums and see what is happening there. It is shocking. On one documentary, a mother living in the slums have ten children, the first two children have four children each and the eldest is pregnant with the fifth so there are 20 people living in one shack without food on the table. Do you UNDERSTAND what i mean??

ARIKUTIK

Yes, I thouroughly comprehended what you mean about the exception rather than the standard view of PH. Now, here is a FACT for you to admit with out hole in the wall of denial. FACT > PH birth rate is already declining even with out the RH law of an Abnoy.

innit1

Well Im glad to hear that birth rate is falling in PH.. Thank God for that. Its about time that Filipinos control their number of children because most people there are poor.

It is not my fault if one lacks knowledge about documented data of infomation. Seems like you don’t have idea how a man loves a woman with 3 holes to choose according to heat of the night. With that i say …. Byeeeeee …… i’ll hole you up comes yesterday of tomorrows….. weeeeeeeeee >>> ^(‘j’)^ >>> out >>> ???

Yeah, what’s your point? You want to keep the birth rate up? I don’t mind keeping the birth rate up if you can take care of feeding and providing shelter for all the abandoned children. Their mothers are dying from giving birth anyway, that’ll control part of our problem.

Pls read an article regarding developed countries and their population status… pls lang. and u might ponder if the Rh bill is right

Jane Tan

I don’t need to because we’re a third world country. Their situation does not apply to us. Who are you kidding when you put us in line with developed countries? Why do you think our government just “politely asks” China to respect our borders?

boldyak

teach them how to be responsible, the government should make more jobs, but giving free condoms is catering their LxUxSxT…if they want to buy condoms they are free to buy, nobody prohibits them, they have a choice, it’s available in any pharmacy, but a government catering to the LxUxSxT of its citizenry is immoral…

Tonypogi

Please straighten your thinking before making any arguments.

jgl41456

Arikutik has an evil and deranged mind and is even hitting the president below the belt by calling him abnoy. It is you moron who is abnormal for making an acussation against the president which you can not prove and you should be jailed for libel!

reddfrog

I don’t think he is evil. He just has a very low IQ. Hindi kasi siya breastfed.

ARIKUTIK

I will be jailed for libel ! waaahhhhh …… I don’t want to be famous, media will be all over my head listening to a tongue blahbering about RH as Selective law targeting poor Filipinos, signed by an Abnoy with PDAF power. Btw, I had been in jail and Brig before. It’s exciting to be hated and adored as well. It’s worth it guys…..

Jane Tan

More like RH pills and sex education can lessen the hungry that need to be fed.

boldyak

having sex without the purpose of procreation is (LxUxSxT…take out the x’s) kamunduhan…there is nothing wrong with sex?…sinabi ko ba na masama?…but here is the government instead of creating more jobs they are blaming “overpopulation”..kuno…there is no overpopulation in the philippines..what comes next after this law?…i am sure and i know you are sure…divorce, then what?…abortion…then what?…euthanasia…then what?…same sex marriages…these are signs that we became like an ordinary animals…we justify what is immoral …i quote(“As conscience grows more passive and the evil spirit supplies his guidance, some Christians begin to lower their moral standard – thinking they henceforth live according to a higher life principle, and therefore treat immoral matters as not quite so immoral any more.”)

I don’t think RH bill and now law violates any provisions in our constitution. In fact, it is the cbcp that violates the constitution.

I wish them luck but don’t expect me to give abuloy during Sunday’s mass if the church will pay the lawyers to challenge it in the supreme court.

boldyak

it is easy to say that CBCP violates the constitution, you have to elaborate on that, what provision was violated?….Pnoy violated the provision of the constitution and that is a fact by controlling the congress and senate…voicing out the sentiments of the catholic church does not violate any articles especialy the separation of church and state, if you think otherwise see the articles of our constitution…don’t misinform people by saying that the catholic church violates the constitution…

reddfrog

The existence of the Roman Catholic Church is a violation of human decency and common sense.

People can express their opinions now and in the future about the RH bill which is now the RH law of the land, with the signature of the bill by Pres. Aquino. The RH bill, becoming law after years of delay, is just the fulfillment of the desires of the majority of Filipinos who were in favor of the bill passing in Congress and becoming law.

Based on past and present surveys, it was the desire of the majority of the Filipinos ( including Pres. Aquino ) that the long overdue RH bill be passed by Congress. Pres. Aquino and the Members of Congress in a vibrant democracy, just fulfilled the will of the majority of the Filipino people. Once the representatives of the Filipino people in Congress unanimously approved the RH bill, it wouldn’t have mattered when Pres. Aquino would have signed the approved bill. Having also favored the bill’s passage and his desire to sign the approved bill, Pres. Aquino could have signed the bill just after it passed Congress before Christmas, after Christmas, or after the New Year, in any manner in which President and his staff saw fit, knowing the controversial and divisiveness the nature of the bill was. At this moment, it is important that people ( pro and anti RH ) heed the President’s call that everybody reconcile and unite for the future of the Filipino people.

What was important in whatever process the RH bill went through, it was the will of the majority of the Filipino.that was fulfilled. If those people who were against the RH bill would like to bring the RH law to the Supreme Court, so be it. Because whatever the future of the RH law will be, in the end, the will and the desires of the majority of the Filipino people now, and in the future will always prevail.

ARIKUTIK

So you believe that once a bill is passed with Abnoy signature. It is already an accepted law for the abiders. Tell that to enrage poor mothers of young children to be tweaked into “immoral human baby hater”. What a donk who believes dictatorship will be accepted with out war of mothers. The most ferouciuos warrior of all is a mother protecting her youngs. The Abnoy in Malacanang is Traped into surrender…. yeheyyyyy…..

artz555

The implementing rules and regulations of the new RH law will soon be issued by the government, while existing programs of the government on family planning will continue to be implemented but with more vigor.than before the RH bill’s passage.

As to the individual mother’s desires are concerned, it is only the individual mothers who can answer those questions. Although those poor mothers who did wanted to plan the right size of their families before, but could not do so because they couldn’t afford it, can now avail of the services of the government through the RH law implementing guidelines.

Since we don’t have the implementing rules and regulations of the RH law yet, it would be unwise for us to speculate what those guidelines and rules are..

ARIKUTIK

This is an old argument, it’s useless now that RH bill had been signed into law but I will repeat it again because your post is worthy of reply. A loving, caring and responsible poorest to the poor couple can plan a family size for free with out expensive side effects (cancer) of contraceptive pills. There are 3 holes in a womans body to choose from which to use according to heat of the month. It is safe with different sizes of excitement. Family planning is soooooo naturaly simple for responsible lovers. As for the irresponsible, who can help them. RH law can never change the irresponsible. Free RH pills for minors will only promote misseries out of immorality.

Mr. Ricardo Boncan would want Pnoy to make a dramatic anouncement/ pictorial of his signing of the RH law is this what they want to make the president appear like gloating over his triumph over the CBCP? This Boncan is moronic!

reddfrog

I will support him gloating. In fact he should gloat more.

disqusted0fu

and this is one of those instances wherein the impeachment of Corona and the appointment of Sereno comes into play. since Sereno is a lapdog of Aquino, no one can stop the administration from whatever decision they make.

marionics

looks like you are already anticipating anti rh loss.

joshmale2004

don’t lose hope. The seven justices of GMA are still there and the 3 Senior justices bypassed by the President. I think the ANTI RH have advantage with the SC if these 10 justices will play again by GMA’s rule. Sereno is just a single vote. But if the 7 justices of GMA will play by the book, then the PRO RH will win again in the SC.

joshmale2004

I respect your position as you are talking of your own family. No one even the state can decide or impose what you deem is best for your family. But don’t close your eyes on some realities that our children nowadays are already exposed to sex as early as even 7 years of age. either they learn it from older friends, the internet, TV shows, and magazines. It is a fact that medyo may kaluwagan ang society natin lalo na sa access sa mga adult materials. This ones, we can not monitor our children especially if they learn these things outside of our home. And these adult materials about sex are the ones teaching wrong sex purpose to our children. So better think to correct these wrong exposure to sex and teach them the proper way as parents if you do not want the State to teach them in school. Hope you got my point here. If we don’t want the State to do it, we might as well do it as parents.

reddfrog

And who better to teach the children morality than the supreme guardians of morality, the Catholic clergy. We should all strive to follow their example.., oh wait a minute……..

joshmale2004

If that suits you, fine. But I will never entrust my children to the Catholic clergy. I can teach them personally as they grow up.

ARIKUTIK

J-Mail guy, this is out of topic but freindly chit chat. Teach the children about wisdom of God that will be a guarantee they will not be eaten by wisdom of inperfect humans. Sex education for population control is of humans. Sanctity of life is Gods wisdom.

joshmale2004

Just to give you an idea of my family my friend. I and my wife were both virgins when we got married. I was a Bank Manager at 30 and my wife was 26 and an accountant in a foreign Casino and resort. We have 2 children, a boy and a girl with 5 years gap between them. Mys son is graduating college next year and daughter will be 3rd year high school. Both private schools. My family of 4 go to Church every Sunday. We watch movies together. We pray together every meal, before bed time, and everytime we go out of the house or the children go to school. My children study a lot. My family keep an open communication on all topics including what they want for their future and their ideal family when their time comes to have one. My wife read us Bible verses a lot of time. We give some of our extra money to charities and poor children in the street. In fact my daughter even when we are eating in a fast food, gives her food when she saw street children looking at us eating. NOW I ASK YOU, DOES A PRIEST MORE QUALIFIED THAN ME OR MY WIFE TO TAKE CARE AND GUIDE THE MORAL AND SPIRITUAL FOOD FOR MY CHILDREN?

ARIKUTIK

“Do preachers more qualified than parents to guide the moral and spiritual thoughs for their children?” A commendable riddle worthy of attention. But first, a little chit chat. A wife who got married as virgin is morally upright and God fearing for the strenght of moral spirit through God can conquer rushing temptations of exotic secret play bed outside marriage. A husband who got married, “Virgin” at 30 years old really Saks to the bones. How could he make his wife contented on honeymoon nights. What a Donk! there are so many low fly pigeons around to grind sharp the weapon to slash smoothly a virgin wife of love forever. Now the riddle > A child who spend 20 + years of existence in Catholic school is not guaranteed to become morally upright, God fearing creature as proven by an Abnoy in Malacanang and other children of rich government officials who got rich too through PH dynasty system. A preist who talks to the flocks once a week in 15 minutes sermon that children can hardly understand because the sound system Saks in echo filled church. And if ever they attend mass at all except birthdays where their brain is filled with the surprise of gifts. In view of the mentioned facts, I therefore conclude that it is the parents are the ones who impart morality through God to their children. Not only by words but through actions too for childrens does not really listen but mimmick their parents as demonstrated by the Dynasty of the corrupts. Penoy the family of Hacienderos who drinks the blood of the poor is corrupt by up bringing. A fact of life no one can deny

ARIKUTIK

Parents teach their daughter to remain virgin untill after church bells of happy union. The RH law provides Free contraceptive pills to minors. RH is law is againts the morally righteous teachings of parents. RH LAW PROMOTES IMMORALLITY.

joshmale2004

Although me and my wife favor RH bill. We teach and our children know the value of virginity as they know my wife was when I married her. My children also have read and know the issues in the RH Bill so they know how to avoid accidents on this matter.Even my daughter of 13 favors the RH Bill and she also know that it is not for her at her current age. And she knows also that the time for her to decide on contraceptive is when she gets married and with the mutual consent of her future husband.

ARIKUTIK

Here’s my point for progressive Philippines. The state and judiciary must teach corrupt government officials by jailing the crocodiles instantly in speed of lighting. Only then PH will shine as white as the stars above. Poisoning the body and mind of the citizens will only bring further misseries. The corrupt government officials will remain drinking the citizens blood which is the real cause of poverty.

joshmale2004

I will not argue with you on this one as we are on the same wavelength on this concern.

http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

The signing into law the ‘RH Bill’ has been done in haste, in hurriedness, dramatic and historical with twist..signed ’12/21/2021′ the awaited end of days of long 5,200 years cycle and the alignment of the earth with the universe. The new time for immorality!!! The new time for ‘its for more fun in the Philippines’. The beginning of downfall of family values, end of Filipino’s cultures/traditions change to WTF! Where can you find the government priority that supports for preventing life for free ‘condoms & pills’ instead of urgent basic needs for preserving life for ‘ first aid & medicine’???

reddfrog

Go on keep crying.

http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

Shut Up!!! The signing was just a formal requirement. You expect the president to be a fool? …… that after certifying the bill as urgent, he will veto it?

The stark reality is that majority of filipinos favored the bill which is now law. All bishops and priests should leave their vocation and run for public office…. Perhaps the country will be paradise and everybody will go to heaven. The problem is winning while they are opposing the people’s mandate….

JoeBun

The church is scared because the population is more educated now than the previous generation. The more uneducated the population, the better control the church has on the population.

http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

The more educated the youth the more they wanted independence, self-sufficiency, self-rule from parental guidance, therefore wrong path away from good, not so good ways. There will be rampant Divorce, same sex relationships, pre-marital sex, what’s next, what have you but immorality at its worst!!!

The problem of poverty is not the over population its about corruptions, greed & acquisitiveness. Earth resources are more than enough but because of man’s greed and desires for more, some more, much more if not all, is the real problem, the gap of the rich from the poor continues to widen like hell.

Say for example, over supply of poultry/farm products, the rich businessmen would rather delay the whole sale or burn, throw away excess or choose to be rotten in the warehouses but won’t rather share or flood the market with these products, give excess to the poor for the very reason of greed. That way to maintain the high cost but never have option to lower it’s operating cost because that’s their business plain and simple….PROFIT, MORE PROFIT, MUCH PROFIT!!!!

http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

Bishops won’t win because majority wants road to hell it’s easy, smooth, flat and wide open. The good way is hard, hilly, rocky and very narrow. Not because majority likes is correct remember when the ‘delubyo’ occured only one family survived ‘Noah’ all the rest, majority perished, all were wrong!!!

“We might compare God’s kingdom to a seed. Jesus put the seed, plant – the kingdom – in the heart/soil of everyone. But He left to us the job of nurturing, practicing, cultivating, fertilizing, and watering .”
“Why is the realization of God’s kingdom out of reach ? And why is Satan’s kingdom so powerful, easy, state of the art updated and pervasive?”
“The answer is that we are not carrying our job as well as we should. We are not doing our task of completing the kingdom as well as we should be doing it.”
“Take just one example. How many of us live out God’s commandments?” “You shall not kill thus RH Bill .” “You shall not steal thus corruption.” “You shall not bear false witness.” Why are there are so much lies, slander, killings, scams, plunders?
“Our failure to live God’s commands is the principal reason why the world is in a mess, out of order, unpeacefull, cruel, unsafe. So, if the kingdom of God is not with us , it’s man’s greed & own fault.”

joshmale2004

Is that how you understand the entire RH Law? All about condoms and pills only? wake up man. Read, read, read……. expand your knowledge.

You take Filipinos for fools if you think that because we have an RH Law that automatically equates to immorality. I think the correct course of action is to create measures for your so called ‘side effects’ and not act like sore losers.

this is how professional managers solve problems. Not whining and be drowned on their fears.

sam gioskos

i have no issue with overpopulation. just dont expect me and my taxes to keep looking after these extra people.let the church do it given their concern. tax the church and not smokers and drinkers to fund the poor not me.

speaksoftlylove

To those androids and robots who still remain mesmerized by the virtual
reality created by the powers that be, and that includes what has been
happening in the world including the Philippines and it’s government.
Google the websites of disclosure project and sirius neverendinglight.
Wake up from that deep slumber and experience your own conscious death,
resurrection, and second coming. After all, this is what 12.21.12 is all
about. Read the full text of the Executive Briefing for Pres. Obama and
the US Congress and find out why these androids and robots keep on
ridiculing the truth as pigments of fertile imagination portrayed in
movies. Be part of history.

Just because the Bill is implemented doesn’t mean u people are obliged to buy contraceptives and have sex. In fact, the RH Bill should be seen as a test to our moral values.Actually, the problem here isn’t the bill, its the contemporary culture we have nowadays. Go take a minute and listen to the songs ur kids have in their phones or other gadgets, you’d be surprised that the messages in the songs are all about having sex, drinking, and drugs. And those are just the songs, how much more in the internet and in television shows? These stuff influence people easily…

joshmale2004

That’s also my point in my post below. But it seems no one cares. For them, RH Bill is the more evil than this media and internet full of promiscuity.

ARIKUTIK

Media and internet are not mandated by law to spread words of action. RH law mandates Forced Sex education for population control ideology. That is a law to tweak children moral to become anti life, baby hater, sex maniacs. RH law mandates free contraceptive pills for minors. I though sex is for married couple only. How come a law promotes teen sex by free contraceptives.

joshmale2004

I will not discuss further with you as your comment shows you have not really read the entire RH bill.One thing is very clear in this Law. Nothing is forced in any of its program. I know you will not agree as you did not read the RH Bill. Have you done so, you will understand that nothing is enforced in the said Law.

Jane Tan

Snerk… It seems alot of people “want” Martial Law to happen. Frankly, the country might actually improve if a dictatorship was applied.

If the RH Bill is already “forcing” them to do things they don’t want, I shudder to think how these people will survive in an actual dictatorship.

Sana matuto na tayo according to what history have thought us. Read about the dilemma of developed countries with respect to their AGING population and discover the real story.

JoeBun

you’re an ignoramus. overpopulation is a drain on our services and society. It is not sustainable to keep a large population and try to get out of being a third world country.

napali808

My no 1 New Year Resolution is to stop giving abuloy on Sundays to these neanderthal bishops and cohorts; instead I will give it to the Red Cross. All catholics, who are pro RH bill, should not give their abuloys too, because it will be used to fund Boncan and his so called Catholic Vote PH.

http://profile.yahoo.com/WDAV2VKWQ7PNDEXBXNQ3SXOABU Pidro Bayan

The Vicar of Christ must remain true to his call, in the person of Saint Peter, he has been commissioned by the Son of God to ”confirm thy brethren.” (Luke 22:32) And, bearing such an onerous responsibility, must he not imitate Jesus the Master, and speak, as He did, “with authority”? Now how could Saint Peter and the other apostles “teach all nations,” as they are commanded to do by Christ, unless the God Who sent them preserved their doctrine pure? Indeed their message demanded the assent of faith from those who heard them teach — if the instructed wished to save their souls. And how, too, could our Incarnate God give such power to men, as to commit heaven itself to ratify their decisions, were not such decisions guaranteed the guidance of the Holy Ghost? “Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound in heaven …” (Matt. 18:18)

Moreover, Christ commands the faithful of all time to obey the Church, and its supreme shepherd, as He commanded His disciples to obey the high priest who sat in the chair of Moses. And, in the Old Testament, when the high priest spoke from the Chair of Moses, arming himself with the ephod (apron-like garment worn by the high priest) of authority over the people of God, he too was infallible, and had to be obeyed. Now the Chair of Moses protected a revelation that was but a shadow of greater things to come. If, therefore, the figure enjoyed the gift of infallibility, how much more so the fulfillment, the Chair of Peter, which was established by the Son of God Himself. Whereas, before, God had commanded His people to “hear” Moses, or the prophets, or the high-priest, now, by the very voice of the Messiah, all men to the end of time are commanded to ”hear the Church”, for “he that heareth not the Church” is to be treated as a “publican or a heathen.”

It is crystal clear, as we can see in the history recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, that there did exist in the Apostolic age a visible authority to which the early Christians were to go in order to resolve doctrinal and moral uncertainties. And when that authority was resisted, or deceived — as in the case of Ananias and Saphira (Acts 5) — drastic chastisements fell from heaven.

That there was a supreme authority in the infant Church, and it was the person of Peter or his successors.

http://profile.yahoo.com/WDAV2VKWQ7PNDEXBXNQ3SXOABU Pidro Bayan

Question Christ Authority? Christ Vicar?
How foolish are those blind heretics whose “humble righteousness” is offended by such uncompromising insistence on the God-given authority supremely vested in the successor of Saint Peter! Are they so blind as to pretend not to see that this truth cannot but be so, if indeed the Savior of men did establish one Church for the salvation of the world? Is it not obvious that this dogma must be concomitant with our faith in the Divinity of Our Redeemer?

Need we point out to the ”separated” Christians the clarity of the Gospels on this point, and its perfect reasonableness in the face of the comforting promise of Christ Himself that the Spirit of Truth would remain with His Church always? How then, could one put one’s unhesitating faith in an institution, to which we are bound in obedience, if such an institution were merely human, and therefore subject to the fancies of times and seasons?

Witness the outcome of Popeless Christianity! All the thousands (who can guess the number!) of non-Catholic denominations are constrained by force of history to refer to themselves by the generic title of Protestant, as well as the specific appellation of the names of their founders.

And what is it that all separated Christians share in common — indeed, the only thing they share in common? They will not have the Pope! In their refusal to submit to the secure teaching authority of the one man designated as supreme shepherd by Christ Himself, they have actually conferred such awesome authority upon themselves — individually!

JoeBun

what the heck did you just say? You talk like a lunatic.

JoeBun

It’s a sad state when the church supports overpopulation and would rather see starving kids on the street with no promising futures. I would like to see the government start taxing the church to support these unwanted kids. I don’t think the Church would want to pay for them though.

This section in the RH law is an infringement on the fundamental right to marry. Filipinos are being deprived of their freedom to make an informed choice. Women are being denied the opportunity to consult medical doctors or healthcare professionals of their choice on family planning matters to be eligible for a marriage license. Attending a family planning seminar should be optional or voluntary, not mandatory. Marriage counseling or family planning seminars in most churches and church weddings are not mandatory. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Should boyfriends and girlfriends or unmarried romantic couples also be required to have a Certificate of Compliance from the Family Planning Office? This RH law is based on a totalitarian ideology. It is unconstitutional.

“SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on responsible parenthood, family planning, breastfeeding and infant nutrition. “