btw i saw a poster mention that deshaun watson was placed on a stacked team.. yea you mean the team brock osweiler, tom savage, and all of those mediocre white qbs had for years and couldnt do anything with.

Deshaun Watson is on fire this year, setting records. Just like dak last year

lol watching the browns/ titans game and the ending of the raiders/chiefs game on thursday its so obvious that mariota and derek carr are babied by the the nfl.. they are babied, i would reckon that the refs would have kept throwing flags until the raiders scored a td, they were not gonna let their precious derek carr go 2-5

its 9-9 againist the winless browns, the titans defense has forced 5 takeaways and mariota has put no points on the board.. this guy is a bust

Never said Mariota was better, just that he's not as bad as you keep claiming him to be (and that Winston isn't as all-world as you claim).

In your link, look at their respective stats and where they rank among QBs. In this example, Winston's only slightly better overall than Mariota, but if we are to believe you Mariota's god awful and quite possibly one of the worst QBs in the league.

You constantly harp on Mariota's deep passing abilities, yet in this slice he's less than a point off of Winston's stat and has a better 'big time throw' stat. Mariota is way further up the scale in throws against pressure. And for his supposedly 'best in the league/top three' offensive line, we see that he has the same amount of time to throw that Winston does (with his bad line and constantly being under pressure as you've claimed before).

You keep claiming that Mariota cannot read a defense and cannot play from the pocket, last week's game should put that to rest or in serious doubt. He didn't roll out, didn't run and often threw to second or third receivers. Sure, he was limited because of his hamstring, but anyone who watched the game could see that he can be a good (notice I didn't say great/franchise) QB that can stand in the pocket and deliver.

They're both good young QBs, both still have work to do to become top tier franchise QBs. If Winston is so much better than Mariota why are they so close in so many statistical categories that people rate passers on?

its 9-9 againist the winless browns, the titans defense has forced 5 takeaways and mariota has put no points on the board.. this guy is a bust

Never said Mariota was better, just that he's not as bad as you keep claiming him to be (and that Winston isn't as all-world as you claim).

In your link, look at their respective stats and where they rank among QBs. In this example, Winston's only slightly better overall than Mariota, but if we are to believe you Mariota's god awful and quite possibly one of the worst QBs in the league.

You constantly harp on Mariota's deep passing abilities, yet in this slice he's less than a point off of Winston's stat and has a better 'big time throw' stat. Mariota is way further up the scale in throws against pressure. And for his supposedly 'best in the league/top three' offensive line, we see that he has the same amount of time to throw that Winston does (with his bad line and constantly being under pressure as you've claimed before).

You keep claiming that Mariota cannot read a defense and cannot play from the pocket, last week's game should put that to rest or in serious doubt. He didn't roll out, didn't run and often threw to second or third receivers. Sure, he was limited because of his hamstring, but anyone who watched the game could see that he can be a good (notice I didn't say great/franchise) QB that can stand in the pocket and deliver.

They're both good young QBs, both still have work to do to become top tier franchise QBs. If Winston is so much better than Mariota why are they so close in so many statistical categories that people rate passers on?