Motorola has done a pretty good job in recent years of keeping their upcoming flagship smartphones under wraps. Sure, we see a leak here or there that gives us a clue or two, but never anything like how HTC phones see full reviews before they are even announced. Motorola has been able to hide most of the details of their last few phones up until the last minute. But as we inch closer to a potential late August-early September launch of a new Moto X, puzzle pieces are starting to arrive.

Now, we are calling this a Verizon phone because of a purported leak through reddit from the same person who gave us those model numbers so long ago. According to this redditor, the “Kinzie” is set for launch on Verizon. He describes the phone similarly to what this benchmark shows.

On a related note, since his mention a month ago of the “Kinzie” seems somewhat legitimized by this benchmark, we should point out that he also attached the name “Clark” to Motorola phone XT1578. That phone is also supposedly coming to Verizon with a Snapdragon 808 on board. Industry pundits think that the “Clark” may end up as the new Moto X (3rd gen), while the “Kinzie” may end up as new DROID.

I can’t say that I have a feeling for either, but I’d be willing to buy into that idea. What about you?

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John Friend

Needs 4gbs of ram. Especially this late in 2015. For future proofing. Also needs to be 4kmah removable battery. Also should be 5″. Have tablet dock or at least bring back lapdocks. Make a motorola radio toting phone that’s a thinkpad computer!

AndrewScottRox

Are barometers not a thing anymore? Has GPS improved that much?

enigmaco

5.2-5.5 is the ideal range I feel.

Sam Bachman

I just want expandable storage, especially with Androidting it like native storage

hkklife

This is probably the final round of Moto releases (X 2015, G 2015, these new Droids) that were largely designed under Google’s ownership so I doubt they’ll have expandable storage on the flagships. All bets are off for Lenovo-designed handsets.

Mordecaidrake

I hate to say it but I think I’m done with Moto. I loved my Moto X but 6 months of extremely poor performance on 5.0 with no update until recently has left a sour taste in my mouth. I know that falls on Verizon too, which I still don’t understand how the iPhone is the only phone that doesn’t have to deal with Verizon’s testing practices. I’ve been considering switching for this reason alone, I can’t use any other carrier due to Verizons coverage in the area’s I need it. If the Nexus 6 wasn’t the size of a tablet I’d get that, but idk….

ClikFire _

N6 only looks and feels like a tablet at 1st but you adapt quickly came from the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 6 to the m9 and back to the n6. Or you could wait a until the fall for the Nexus 5 2015

Eric R.

iOS updates have been a mess since 7.0 dropped

bluebanzai

Hate to say it but “grass is always greener” applies a lot in this industry. At least you have a UI you can respect. I blame Verizon solely.

I’d love to downsize to this from the Nexus 6. I find the Nexus 6 to be slightly too wide to type with one hand, but 5.5″ would be perfect. Only problem is I can’t imagine it will ever be rootable. I’d love to be wrong about that though.

Jonathan Williams

I want my barometer, damnit!!!

ChrisI

I’m sorry……21gb of storage?? So 11 GIGABYTES is used for what…..? I was berated on some other thread because someone told me that Moto phones are as close to vanilla Android as we’re gonna get. Apparently I wasn’t wrong if something is stealing 11 gigs on this phone…

Let’s assume that this “Kinzie” device is the new DROID device coming to Verizon. Since we know Verizon loves their bloat, and I think the Android OS is usually what, no more than… 6 GB? If that.. So that is a lot of bloat going into the device. That’s actually a lot more than even I expected. I figured the free space would be in the 26 GB neighborhood, but barely over 20? Something seems off..

Seems like these early leaked bench numbers often show up with oddly low GB numbers. Yeah it’ll have Verizon’s usual bloat, but I wouldn’t get too worried until we see the final device.

vzwuser76

You’re forgetting that after you format, there isn’t actually a full 32GB of storage space. On a 32GB card, the actual usable space is around 29.8GB of space before anything is loaded on. So that’s 8.8GB being used up by the OS and whatever else is preloaded.

Suicide_Note

Code names are both Chicago streets.

QuadKore

Huh. Didn’t even notice that, even though I live in Chicago and I’ve traveled on both streets a few times. Maybe if they were named after streets on the south side I would’ve noticed haha!
You in Chicago too?

TylerChappell

I was there this past weekend and drove on both those streets. Betcha can’t guess my reason for being there! lmao

QuadKore

Eh…Pride parade?

TylerChappell

Oh mai gawd there were like 12 festivals going on this past weekend. Including a hot dog festival and a sausage festival. What makes you think I wasn’t at one of THOSE sausage festivals instead of the one you mention?!?!

QuadKore

Pfft…idk. I’m straight with a wife and daughter but thought the Pride Parade had recently passed, so I Goggled it and it was last weekend. I guess the way you said ” betcha can’t guess my reason for being there! ” Also, you don’t look like someone that would travel out of town or state for a hot dog or sausage festival lol! So now I’m curious, was it the Pride Parade or not?!

TylerChappell

Lol yes it was, and I had my share of sausage while I was there as well. 😀

QuadKore

Lol! So you did go to a sausage fest then?! Just not the ones people will be grilling this July 4th weekend! Hope you were safe and had fun!

M3D1T8R

Too big. Anything over 5.2″ is too big for a phone. If the new Droid is 5.5″ it will be even easier to dismiss immediately. And really I’d be happier if they reduce the size of the new Moto X down to 5.0″. A long shot sure, but it’s what they need to do if they ever want to make the perfect phone. Screen size is one thing HTC has got right and kept right.
Also hoping this years Moto X isn’t a midrange device, but more like the Nexus 6.

PoisonApple31

HTC lol

Duffman

HTC has made some really great phones. Their problem is continuing to make great phones. My M7 is still the best phone I have personally ever used. I would have loved to buy an M9, but it wasn’t very well thought out, which is a real shame because I have seen them churn out some great hardware. Even their software is miles ahead of a lot of OEMs. I hope they stay around.

Adam

So what happened to the specs of 640 dpi? Which phone was this for?

If I remember correctly, that original post called out a phone with that pixel density and it was called the Kinzie.

moew

Lenovo X, looking forward to their first spyware phone.

Adrynalyne

Old and tired but I’ll give you a 3 for effort.

Character0

Comes with LP 5.1.1 right as M is released. Then wait 6-8 months.

Tyler Durden

Omg! A moto device droid life community won’t rave about and buy because it has an 810!

Anyways, looking forward to it

Bob

But that bootloader… 🙁

Allen George

Maybe they will go OG Droid on it!

SeanPlunk

That’s because the concern around the Snapdragon 810 is totally legitimate. How much evidence do you need exactly?

I’m not saying there isn’t, it’s just funny now because moto fans have nowhere to go

Adrynalyne

It’s called wait patiently for better.

Mike Aurin

No barometer? Deal breaker. Way to screw up another one, Moto!

Bob

GPS locks aren’t fast enough. No barometer is ludicrous.

moew

You meant lenovo

Mike Aurin

It’s still called Motorola no matter who owns it. We weren’t calling it Google for the year it was owned by them….

moew

You meant Lenovo.

Adrynalyne

You are a special one.

moew

You meant Lenovo.

Adrynalyne

Oh, hi Lenovo.

Big Blow

Do you still call Lenovo’s laptops “IBM”?

Mike Aurin

No. But these devices are released under the name Motorola. Don’t be dense.

bhayes444

I think a Moto X 3 with the 808 would be a nice fit. If that is the new Droid phone, I think they might keep the Moto X the same screen size or go up to 5.3″ as this year’s Droid was the larger of the two devices with higher specs. I’ll be keeping my Moto X 2, but I look forward to seeing what this has to offer

John Kitchen

The Turbo has the same screen size as the Moto X 14

bhayes444

Oh yeah, it does doesn’t it. Sorry, I was working with very little sleep at the time.

hkklife

Turbo has the same screen size, it’s just that its effective usable screen area is larger due to the capacitive buttons (thus the overall larger body dimensions).

ClikFire _

I’m too use the Nexus 6 to go back to 5.2 inch screen on the moto X 2015 and the droid turbo is just now getting lollipop. 5.5 is as small as I will go now and 6 is as big as I will go. And I like being Google’s “beta” tester ?

TSY87

seriously… I don’t even know if I can go down to a 5.5″

The only phone that might tempt me to switch would be the note 5.

ClikFire _

Still can’t get past tocuhwiz personally. Still has a jank.

Good_Ole_Pinocchio

I can vouch for Twiz. No JANK just Lollipop memory issues….well and there’s the over zealous ram management

michael arazan

My old sg3 runs at 1 GB ram idling, only 1.5 available, with all apps closed and all features in TW that can be stopped. stopped.

That phone wasn’t worth the trouble, and led to fits of rage cause it was awful TW. Thinking about shooting it with a shotgun and mailing back all the pieces to korea samsung as to what I think about TW note enclosed, never again will I use TW.

PoisonApple31

SG3 was so long ago, get over it bro.

Pressed

I’m considering the S6. What are these memory issues/leaks that everyone keeps referring too?

Ismail Akram

Why its for Samsung lollipop version have jank why not on moto x 2014 or M9 ? I never get that.

Good_Ole_Pinocchio

It’s not just sammy. My N5 when it first got lolipop 5.0.2 performance dropped, also on my OnePlus. 5.1.1 fixes those issues.

Greyhame

No jank here. My S6 flies.

JB

Funny how every year we increase the screen size as the largest we’ll go up to lol

cruelclick

I had the note 2 and that’s my limit. I’m back down to the motox gen 2 and I like it better.

only thing is battery life. 3100 down to 2300 was killer but I’ll live lol

M3D1T8R

Funny I’m the exact opposite. Couldn’t go over 5.2″ max. 5.0″ pref. 5.5″+, while great for media, is just too awkward in hand as a one handed pocketable device/phone.
And I really really wanted to get a Nexus 6.

creed

I went to the Note 2 from the S3. After a year, I thought I wanted to go back to a smaller phone. Mostly because of the one handed use issue, especially with texting. I shattered the screen and went back the the S3 and immediately realized how much I liked the bigger screen. I’ve had the Nexus 6 for about 6 months and still love it. To each his own though.

ClikFire _

I had the Nexus 5 got the Nexus 6 for a few months got use to the size but decided to try the m9 because I thought I moght like a small device better it was a nice phone but 2 weeks later and I’m back to the Nexus 6. I also got to try the 5.5 inh g flex 2 which felt like the perfect size phone felt really good in hand.

cdm283813

Dude; I’ve actually went from a Note 4 down to 2015 Moto E and I find the reduction in size super refreshing. I’ve owned the Note 2, 3 and 4 and realized that it’s gotten ridiculous. I still have the Note 4 of course but the Moto E actually serves over 90% of what I normally do on a daily basis. The damn budget phones are becoming the right size and you don’t need anything over a 720p display if you keep it small. And when I get home I will just use my much more powerful tablet/computer. The size of these phones have “gotten out of hand”.

PoisonApple31

Nope – I’m still over 2012 and will not look back. I love the big phones! But cheers to you that you’ll now have some leftover money for hookers after getting a budget phone.

ClikFire _

Depends on the person and their needs for you a budget phone is fine for others it doesn’t cut it. I came from the Nexus 5 and the N6 felt big at 1st now it feels normal.

I feel the same way regarding screens size. I went from a G2 to a G3, but was apprehensive due to the 5.5″ display, it only worked because of the thin bezels. I decided to get a G4 even though I wanted a smaller phone for my next phone, and I really don’t like the larger size of the G4. 5.2″ is the best size IMO.

hkklife

The G3 and to an extend, the G2 really nailed the formfactor for “large” screen phones. I still hate to see the G4 increasing in dimensions while having the same screen size as its predecessor and no major new features or improvements.

That said, I think the ideal formfactor is somewhere around 5.6″ to 5.8″ with onscreen buttons. The N6 is just a touch too large for me, at least with its current specs. I’d probably figure out a way to live with if it had Samsung-beating specs & display.

While I agree as a N6 owner if there are in fact two Nexus phones I might be tempted to go LG over Huawei unless there is something really compelling about the larger one, like much better camera. Knowing official screen sizes would also help to decide.

Pressed

I’m so use to my 4.7 OG Moto X that I don’t want a bigger screen size. It is time to upgrade for me and I have no idea what direction I’ll go.

ClikFire _

I use to think 4.3 was perfect then 4.5 then 4.7 then 5 then 5.2 now anything between 5.5-6 max is what I like.

Once you adjust your grip and adapt to the size your preference changes trust me.

If you really want a small device get the Galaxy s6 it has a 5.1 inch screen but Samsung made its body extremely compact. Screen so,e doesn’t matter as much as the overall size of the phone.

Also if you adjust your grip its easier to use big devices one handed.

Pressed

I previously had a Galaxy Nexus. Aside from the fact that it was generally an awful phone, nothing made me happier than to drop down in size to the OG Moto X. The S6 is on my consideration list, but the battery life concerns me and my previous Samsung phone (GNex) didn’t get a signal anywhere. I’m just one of those people who like smaller phones.

M3D1T8R

I used to think 4.9″ was perfect, though no phones were that size (Nexus 5 close at 4.95). Now I’ve rounded up my preference to 5″ even. 5.2 is the most I could consider if the phone is great otherwise. Anything over 5.2″, even the G3/4 at 5.5 just gets too wide in hand for a phone. I’d rather use a tablet at that point. And I have fairly large hands. I would love the GS6’s amazing 5.1″ display. Too bad that phone is so deeply flawed in so many other areas.