Snow Leopard will not be offered as an upgrade option for any current Mac user.

No way that's happening. A, Inc (interesting that those initials have "AI" as an acronym. Accident?) makes too much on OS upgrades, and it's partially the ricketyness showing up in Leopard that's got them on this path.

so no way they're cutting their entire installed base out of the upgrade path. PPC users, maybe, probably (I read that was announced somewhere?), but Tiger and Leopard Intel users, no way.

Oh thank god someone brought back the floppy drive after a 10 year absence. 1.4 MB of storage is the gold-standard you know, especially for server software! They are very reliable too. LOL. Wow, these guys are really dumb! I don't think anyone has purchased a Pycrap system, except for Macworld, to prove how crappy it really is!

I have a box of floppies from the early Mac days and after upgrading, realized I don't have any hardware to read them anymore. Thankfully I found a floppy drive in good condition on eBay for $49. There was an LC 575 wrapped around the drive too. He he. Always nice to boot up System 7 to run some old classic programs from time to time. It is even connected to my home network with a CommSlot Ethernet card. FileSharing only works using Fetch and FTP to Leopard, but it prints to my LaserJet 6MP, also on Ethernet.

Floppy is used to install drivers and update firmware. For example, you bought a new RAID card, hook up 6 super fast SAS drives, and want to install Windows on it, but Windows installer doesn't have the driver. Download the driver to the floppy and Windows will find it.

And for a server, RAID is absolutely necessary.

Or...you want to update the BIOS...same thing, copy the firmware updater to the floppy and boot from floppy.

Mac users don't encounter this problem because Apple is simply more elegant..... and there are much fewer hardware choices (how many RAID card are available for Mac?) than for PC.

So, stop making fun of the floppy drive. It will still be standard component on servers for the next ten years....and even if it is not internal, the server admin would have a USB floppy drive hidden somewhere.

Oh thank god someone brought back the floppy drive after a 10 year absence. 1.4 MB of storage is the gold-standard you know, especially for server software! They are very reliable too.

You made my Day. Seriously though, It is VERY strange that Apple Hasn't Issued at least a "hi" note to Pystar. Apple, While Ignoring things and hoping they go away is a suprisingly effective strategy, It's not gonna happen with these people.

I was always one of those who argued that Apple would never, in 10 million years, license OS X. However, with the purchase of PA Semi, the announcement of Snow Leopard, and the lack of action against Psystar, I'm beginning to reevaluate that. If in a year or so they release new Macs with dedicated hardware accelerators (yeah, I know a lot of you don't think that's possible, but just as a wild speculation, OK?) to run the Core functions on, and Snow Leopard, as a lean, mean OS to orchestrate all those functions, maybe then they would license Leopard to run on generic PCs. In addition to giving Psystar a kick in the oblongs (who needs them when you can run OS X on any PC?) Apple would be able to say: "Here--try OS X and see if you like it! You do? Well, how would you like it to run 100 times faster? You would? Oh, sorry, you've got to buy a real Mac to do that!"

Of course, people have been talking about instantiating Window's function calls in hardware for at least 18 years that I've been reading about it. How come this has never happened? Because it's impossible? Because Microsoft won't let them? Because they can't even get a look at the code to emulate? Because Windows is such a convoluted Byzantine mess that it can't be done? I don't know. But if Apple did do this, I don't think they'd have any competition to worry about until Microsoft rebuilds Windows from the ground up as a modern, functional OS. (So...never.)

I'm not saying this is the path Apple will take, just that it's a path they could take, and it fits in with some of the puzzling events of recent weeks.

I wonder how Apple will ensure that you cant install OS X on normal PC, I know this will hurt the OSX86 community . Cause if Psystar action is not silenced, it is bound that more mac clones will start to appear in the market.

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don't be short sighted. if it's well done, cracked and recompiled software can be more stable than the original piece, not to mention being less resource hog if they eliminate the continuous copy protection check.

just like how iphone jailbreak apps are stable, right?

seriously, what happens when apple updates the software and everything has to be cracked again? a real enterprise can't deal with all that. a real enterprise can afford xserves if they really need them over windows or linux servers.

psystar is also doing a huge disservice to the osx86 community, stealing their work for commercial product. psystar isn't contributing a thing.

Yeah whoever mentioned the '95 Darwin award was right, but at some point Apple won't stoop to the level of such morons. You get a server for reliability and support; if you're selling big-ticket items and your server(s) go(es) down, the money you saved on hardware goes out the window. I can't imagine Apple wasting lawyer time on ankle-biters like these guys; best defense is a good offence; now the acquisition of PA Semi makes even more sense; apple will innovate their way out competition that thinks all that they offer is a prettier box

Going by the hardware designs coming out of them so far... it wouldn't be that great. Although if this does help open up the market for someone to make a better Macbook Pro than the Macbook Pro by the time Nehalem comes out, then that would be fantastic.

Sebastian

Indeed based on their current efforts I imagine it would be big, ugly, loud and run very hot.

Also, I imagine Apple will have made a better MacBook Pro than the MacBook Pro by the time Nehalem is out if rumours are to be believed.

Why hasn't Apple sued them yet? Or, at least, sent them a cease-and-desist letter?

If Apple smacks down Psystar via Snow Leopard next year, is that considered to be a sufficiently vigorous protection of their IP? That is, if Psystar gets to make Leopard-compatible hardware for 15 months or so, what is to prevent anyone else from ignoring the terms of the EULA with impunity?

You mean who IS going to buy a Psycrapy Serv with hacked drivers? Answer: No one but the desperate people who hate Apple.

Why is it that anyone who speaks against Apple is a hater. This fanboy image really needs to change. Are the people over in the Apple forum screaming about their ATV's not working haters or just people who want what they paid for to work?

Back to the issue, if Psystar is making crap, everyone will know soon enough. It will be reviewed and dismissed. This is obviously not a product any serious enterprise would consider purchasing.

CDs and Network connections are the norm and have been for some time. Even Dell's rack mounted servers only offer it as an external USB device.

But if you are going to use a hacked copy of OS X Server in your network then wanting or using a floppy drive may not be too far fetched.

Not completely true. Sad to say, but our brand new servers are fitted with floppy slots. Even sadder to say, they are used daily for some purposes. So, in reality there are limited uses for floppy drives.

On a personal note, I have a gig of offline floppy storage in a RAID 5 array. It generates heat but feel secure with my 1 gig of storage.

Floppy is used to install drivers and update firmware. For example, you bought a new RAID card, hook up 6 super fast SAS drives, and want to install Windows on it, but Windows installer doesn't have the driver. Download the driver to the floppy and Windows will find it.

And for a server, RAID is absolutely necessary.

Or...you want to update the BIOS...same thing, copy the firmware updater to the floppy and boot from floppy.

Mac users don't encounter this problem because Apple is simply more elegant..... and there are much fewer hardware choices (how many RAID card are available for Mac?) than for PC.

So, stop making fun of the floppy drive. It will still be standard component on servers for the next ten years....and even if it is not internal, the server admin would have a USB floppy drive hidden somewhere.

Here is a thought for you. Servers tend to be connected to the internet, well in my experience anyway. Modern software can actually check for updates on line. The idea of using a floppy drive is funny to Mac users I suspect because Apple dropped them in their consumer machines eons ago as useless relics but I understand PC manufacturers continued to use them for a long time, maybe they still do for all I know. Think of it as if a car manufacturer fitted a connection to attach a horse, a few folks would see that as funny while perhaps a lover of horse carts wouldn't.

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I don't see anything wrong with it. I know of no other company selling OSx86 on a pre-built PC. I also see the odd move to sell an OSx86 Server as quite aggressive.

I was just wondering ... Do you think Apple might ever consider a different approach. Not condoning clones as such but selling a different version of OS X to the open PC market. An OS X -PC version. This could be slightly different, simplified perhaps to reduce hardware problems and also to allow the flag ship product to remain Apple hardware based only. I am trying to think if this would be incremental business or potentially detrimental to the sale of hardware. I suspect the latter is the current view. The potential sales could be astronomical in the wake of Vista.

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Who says they haven't? Regardless of whether or not they said Hi to Psystar yet, what Psystar is doing is clearly not eating into Apple's own sales so why the hell should Apple care?

There is a need to protect a name brand and to protect IP that is being illegally as it sets a precedence. But that doesn't mean that Apple have to send in their sharks right away. The misused EULA appears to be a civil, not criminal, case so Apple would do nothing but hurt it's brand name, give Psystar free publicity, and Apple would not profit from such a case right now nor prevent Psystar from not-profiting from the continued sales if they litigated right now.

I still think a HW authentication chip is the best option Apple has. (I'm becoming like Irelnad with my assurance and obsession with this idea )

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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist

I was always one of those who argued that Apple would never, in 10 million years, license OS X. However, with the purchase of PA Semi, the announcement of Snow Leopard, and the lack of action against Psystar, I'm beginning to reevaluate that.

If Apple was going to license OS X to the generic PCs I'd think they would have done the opposite of what you mentioned. P.A. Semi would not have been purchased (unless their IP really is for Apple's PMP line) and Apple would be going after Psystar to prevent generic clones until they are ready to sell them as OS X will cost more than the paltry $129 they are selling it at.

The idea of Snow Leopard being Intel only and not having any new features does sway in your favour, but not to a point that makes it believable. The dropping of PPC and optimization of multi-core systems and GPUs is plenty of work for Apple. Furthermore, if Apple was going to license their OS, they would have done so prior to Jobs return when they were losing customers in droves and had the major PC manufacturers looking to pay top dollar to get out of MS' thumb. Now that they are thriving, it certainly won't happen.

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Originally Posted by akhomerun

seriously, what happens when apple updates the software and everything has to be cracked again? a real enterprise can't deal with all that. a real enterprise can afford xserves if they really need them over windows or linux servers.

psystar is also doing a huge disservice to the osx86 community, stealing their work for commercial product. psystar isn't contributing a thing.

They altered the Software Update app to point to their servers. I have a friend who has actaully gone to their site on more than one occasion to DL the latest drivers for OX86 Leopard.

Yeah whoever mentioned the '95 Darwin award was right, but at some point Apple won't stoop to the level of such morons. You get a server for reliability and support; if you're selling big-ticket items and your server(s) go(es) down, the money you saved on hardware goes out the window.

The prices of their machines, outside of the base model, quickly creep up past Apple's prices for a comparable machine when you start upping the specs. And the YouTube videos should that it is less optimized and very, very loud. What boggles my mind is that the target audience for this seems to be small as I would think people would just build their own or buy a real Mac. If you can't torrent a copy of OSx86 and install it on some component HW using the available Wikis there is no way you should own a Psystar machine. The argument that they want something pre-made doesn't work for me because the HW setup and install is simple; and the argument that they want a cheaper Mac does work either because it's cheaper to buy the parts yourself and save $129 on DLing OSx86.

Who are these customers? I figure Psystar is doing okay if they have an Xserve option now... but like the kid and train, they are getting a little closer until they get hit hard.

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Originally Posted by macFanDave

Why hasn't Apple sued them yet? Or, at least, sent them a cease-and-desist letter?

If Apple smacks down Psystar via Snow Leopard next year, is that considered to be a sufficiently vigorous protection of their IP? That is, if Psystar gets to make Leopard-compatible hardware for 15 months or so, what is to prevent anyone else from ignoring the terms of the EULA with impunity?

That is why I think HW authentication is imminent (I officially have the Irish preoccupation disease). There really is no stopping it. Apple may have sent a C&D, but that doesn't mean Psystar has to apply if they know that it really be enforced.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"

Not completely true. Sad to say, but our brand new servers are fitted with floppy slots. Even sadder to say, they are used daily for some purposes. So, in reality there are limited uses for floppy drives.

On a personal note, I have a gig of offline floppy storage in a RAID 5 array. It generates heat but feel secure with my 1 gig of storage.

I said "the norm", I never use absolutes but my posts always seem to be interpreted that way on all these tech forums.

Are you really copying the files from a workstation onto a floppy and then putting them in the servers to install? Or are you still getting updates mailed to you on a floppy. If it's teh former, may I suggest using a USB flash drive. It's faster to read and write.

Note: There are companies that disable USB on their computers for security reasons. So using a slow, low capacity mechanism may be used as a security measure.

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Originally Posted by digitalclips

I was just wondering ... Do you think Apple might ever consider a different approach. Not condoning clones as such but selling a different version of OS X to the open PC market. An OS X -PC version. This could be slightly different, simplified perhaps to reduce hardware problems and also to allow the flag ship product to remain Apple hardware based only. I am trying to think if this would be incremental business or potentially detrimental to the sale of hardware. I suspect the latter is the current view. The potential sales could be astronomical in the wake of Vista.

Apple put the kibosh on clones when he returned. If they were going to license to others I think it would have been when they were suffering in the mid-to-late 90s when they could have benefited financially, gotten a huge marketshare of the consumer market while bringing down Windows. Apple just isn't interested in it, and Jobs seems to absolutely hate it.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"

I said "the norm", I never use absolutes but they always seem to be interpreted that one all these tech forums.

Are you really copying the files from a workstation onto a floppy and then putting them in the servers to install? Or are you still getting updates mailed to you on a floppy. If it's teh former, may I suggest using a USB flash drive. It's faster to read and write.

Note: There are companies that disable USB on their computers for security reasons. So using a slow, low capacity mechanism may be used as a security measure.

Sorry dude. I did not clarify. My bad. I work for the State Department. Hopefully you will understand why we use floppy drives based on where I work. I could tell you but then I would have to kill you.

Sorry dude. I did not clarify. My bad. I work for the State Department. Hopefully you will understand why we use floppy drives based on where I work. I could tell you but then I would have to kill you.

Let me understand. The State Department has determined the Internet is far to unsafe for drivers. So to extrapolate from this; our nations security data is also on floppies?

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Let me understand. The State Department has determined the Internet is far to unsafe for drivers.

Keep in mind that DNS servers can be and have been hijacked on occasion, and sometimes it takes time to find as most of the entries can be accurate except for a few targeted sites.. Then that can mean that a handful of sites can be redirected to sites that are mirrors of the real site but have malicious code in their downloads.

Keep in mind that DNS servers can be and have been hijacked on occasion, and sometimes it takes time to find as most of the entries can be accurate except for a few targeted sites.. Then that can mean that a handful of sites can be redirected to sites that are mirrors of the real site but have malicious code in their downloads.

You missed half of my quote thus removing the humor. Partial quoting is best left to the political scene

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