Josh why do you think that's 'Judo'? And why would it be a shame to have lost that?

Also surely you're coming at this from the wrong direction, that's a promo vid. The American people saw that and didn't want to know. Why would going back to that when its clear it wasn't successful, be productive?

Also if we did that kind of stuff now we'd be in even worse shape, because we'd look like every 10 a penny dogshite 'Jiujutsu' group out there.

I can't comment on the state of Judo or any infighting or politics, but from Judo sprung BJJ, Sambo, modern submission grappling in general, and MMA. I think I understand your statement that Judo in the West hasn't grown impressively AS JUDO, but I don't know anything about that. But Judo has definitely had a heavy hand in changing martial arts.

At one point, Judo was the "premier" martial art in the USA. Combine the competition from the above arts (beginning with karate, then Bruce Lee and KF) and the massive fail of judo politics in the US, and there you have it.

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Because its just a collection of unrealistic stylised responses to choreographed attacks, which you could say is a kata or the Goshin Jutsu. And there's a reason that those techniques were confined to the Goshin Jutsu and aren't a regular part of Judo practice in randori, kata in the general sense of drills and pre-arranged practice or shiai.

As Kano couldn't find a way to have those techniques meet his criteria of seiryoku zenyo or jita kyoei. As to ensure jita kyoei you compromised seiryoku zenyo and to ensure seiryoku zenyo you compromised jita kyoei.

Hence they were confined to the Goshin Jutsu, like those odd bits of DNA that are still part of our code, but don't feature in our current genetic make up.

Now after another 70/80 odd years of martial arts experimentation we, and those outside of us in Sambo and BJJ, still haven't found or have found deeply unsatisfactory ways to try and implement those kind of techniques that meet their looser concepts of efficiency and partner safety, but which are still fundamentally linked back to Kano's seiryoku zenyo and jita kyoei.

The standing armlocks, standing hammerlocks, hair pulling etc... all found to be either too ineffective or too dangerous to use in day to day practice and therefore very difficult if not impossible to become proficient in to use in actual fighting.

Originally Posted by Coach Josh

Yea it's a demo and somethings are not perfect but come on you're confusing self defense with competition.

No I'm not, the majority of the things shown in the video are utterly useless for self defence, because they can't be trained with aliveness, as I've explained above.

I know how easy it is to get frustrated with Judo and where its going and where its been and especially in the US context where things seem even worse than over here, but going backwards against seiryoku zenyo and jita kyoei going back away from aliveness into dead patterns. That's not going to help us and its not where we want to go.