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*Tim Willits is a behind the scenes super-visor of Quake 4. This is a bad thing. Either he ****ed up on Doom 3, or I don't like survivor horror games. And I am a System Shock 2 freak. If you thought D3 was scary, get System Shock 2. You'll wet yourself.

*Uses a version of the Doom 3 engine that has lighting and texturing tweaks.
*Your character is a "vital part of the war effort".
*Usually in the company of other marines (think CoD).
*Huge outdoor areas.
*More GORY than Doom3. Woot.
*Considers it self different from Doom 3 because it's a "Over the top action game" instead of a "Survival horror game".
*Features flying vehicles.
*Gunner, Gladiator, Strogg Marine are back, with varations of each.
*Will have swearing (something Doom 3 lacked).
*Features "Hovertank".
*Hovertank is 100% pilotable.
*Quote: "You'll be fighting, alone, with an army, indoors, outdoors, in vehicles, you name it."
*Quote: We want this game to feel like an action movie."
*NEW AI, the AI is supposed to be very smart, taticly using terrain and firing positions. Quote: "Raven is paying a lot of attention to AI routines and situational level desing in Quake 4".
*Levels disigned with specific enemies in mind.
*Multiplayer is a 100% copy of Quake 3. It will play exactly the same. Will have more than 4 players. Will feature DM and CTF.

For some reason, I seemed to get more stuttering in HL2 (mostly picture, no sound issue) with the 5.xx Cats.

I got quickly bored by Doom3 also (before playing HL2, but after playing FarCry), but it's definately a good game for a specific niche and IMO it is nowhere near the flop some people tell it is. Still, it is fun to play with the lights off and sound cranked up

But for sheer atmosphere, Doom 3 takes some beating. Playing some of the last few levels in the dark on my own was absolutely terrifying. I had to keep looking over my shoulder to make sure an imp wasn't spawning behind me

Originally posted by dannyboy27 I think HL2 easily surpasses Doom 3 in terms of graphics, gameplay, level design, variety and weapons. Overall it is clearly the better game.

But for sheer atmosphere, Doom 3 takes some beating. Playing some of the last few levels in the dark on my own was absolutely terrifying. I had to keep looking over my shoulder to make sure an imp wasn't spawning behind me

The one thing that bugged me about D3 was too many imps and not enough pinky demons or cacodemons.