And there aren't super great live videos of Bread of Shame, but there is no way he does wide string skipping for the main intro riff. And he wouldn't be playing the octaves like in a drop D style like how the tab book notates.

I don’t know what to believe, but I played Bread of Shame and Time on my guitar and the tab book version seemed way more accurate. The Bread Of Shame Pinch harmonics are more acccurate than in the online tab, and the harmonics for Time are played in standard tuning. Even how Mark plays it, the book seems to be mostly accurate. Also the chords in Time for the chorus are very accurate.

Just trust me on the Bread of Shame thing. No way in hell back then would he tune to G# D# G# C# F A# for that song. In all the live videos I've seen, it definitely doesn't look like he's playing a baritone guitar. He's much more likely to go for the Come to Life style tuning than tune that low.

And know that 90% of the time, mass-published tab books are inaccurate. They're good as a general guide to get the sound, but they're not true to how they're played. The pinch harmonics sound accurate, sure, but they're probably played in a different place.

The DIsposable Hero wrote:Just trust me on the Bread of Shame thing. No way in hell back then to G# D# G# C# F A# for that song. In all the live videos I've seen, it definitely doesn't look like he's playing a baritone guitar. He's much more likely to go for the Come to Life style tuning than tune that low.

I mean the low note is only one step further down. It's not that much of a stretch. I don't know the song but the guy who tabbed it out on UG is usually pretty bang on.

The DIsposable Hero wrote:Just trust me on the Bread of Shame thing. No way in hell back then to G# D# G# C# F A# for that song. In all the live videos I've seen, it definitely doesn't look like he's playing a baritone guitar. He's much more likely to go for the Come to Life style tuning than tune that low.

I mean the low note is only one step further down. It's not that much of a stretch. I don't know the song but the guy who tabbed it out on UG is usually pretty bang on.

The low note (G#/Ab) is the same in both tunings. The tab book has it as a Drop D style tuned all the way down to G# (same sort of tuning as Metallica's Invisible Kid or Periphery's 7-string songs), while the tab on Ultimate Guitar (and how Mark actually plays it) is in the Come to Life/BADGBE style tuning where all your power chords are turned into octaves.

After seeing the live version of Words there's no way its in an open tuning. Or at least for Mark. He's clearly playing straight power chords at times. Myles could be in an open tuning but it looks more like a drop d or something. He plays a D chord shape (relative to standard tuning) during the chorus. Not sure how well that would work in an open tuning.

Kreuger wrote:After seeing the live version of Words there's no way its in an open tuning. Or at least for Mark. He's clearly playing straight power chords at times. Myles could be in an open tuning but it looks more like a drop d or something. He plays a D chord shape (relative to standard tuning) during the chorus. Not sure how well that would work in an open tuning.

Kreuger wrote:After seeing the live version of Words there's no way its in an open tuning. Or at least for Mark. He's clearly playing straight power chords at times. Myles could be in an open tuning but it looks more like a drop d or something. He plays a D chord shape (relative to standard tuning) during the chorus. Not sure how well that would work in an open tuning.

The way both of them work is usually Mark is in an Open tuning while Myles is in a regular drop tuning. So in this case, Mark is most likely in Open Gm half step down, while Myles is in Drop D half step.

Show me a leader is the first and possibly only song Mark has used a 7 string on.[/quote]Alright if it’s not a 7 string it’s at least a baritone. Looks larger than his other guitars. Or he uses massive strings, which is most likely the case

Arm Yourself is 100% in C Standard tuning. The chords in that bridge part are essentially on C and C#. But they’re the open style chords that go along with a Phrygian tonality. They go like this:

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It won’t sound right in a A# tuning. Plus the way the riffs are played definitely makes it in C tuning.

As for “Words Darker”, I was 90% positive it was in an Open Gb minor tuning (Db Gb Db Gb A Db), since Mark even said it himself in an interview ... *and* I asked Tremonti about it himself during a meet and greet after a Tremonti show a few years back in Arizona.But after watching the live video, I actually think the ABIII tab book may be right on this one. The way the open strings ring out after Mark plays them indicates (Db Gb Db Gb Ab Db). And Mark’s hand movement is very little in the middle of measures. I had tabbed it out before where it moved around a lot more — and really it’s unnecessary.

I think you should have a look at what Myles' tuning for Coming Home is in. I'm pretty sure he plays it in a Drop B variation (B A D G A E) but I'm not 100% sure, it's just from what I've seen on the Live From Amsterdam performance. Great list btw, really helped me out a lot!