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You know it's amazing too me. The people making statements and cheering on death marks on this site is appalling.

Do you well informed masses realize that if the FCC, where to read these statements of anti-American and agreement towards the death of someone in an elected office of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, it could be deemed as a terroristic threat which is a federal crime.

I got a bottle of champaign ready to crack open should they succeed next time.

and like someone else said, I dispise politicians that violate people's rights, freedoms and privacys, all for the sake of so-called protection. Plus I feel LESS safe more than before.

I am more afraid of the people in the white house and what part of the Constitution they are going to **** on next, not a bunch of fundamentalist, goat rapping, kamakazi Ali Baba rejects. I don't like either, but the overlords in Washington are the ones I am more worried about.

Darth Screamer wrote:You know it's amazing too me. The people making statements and cheering on death marks on this site is appalling.

Do you well informed masses realize that if the FCC, where to read these statements of anti-American and agreement towards the death of someone in an elected office of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, it could be deemed as a terroristic threat which is a federal crime.

Motto:"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest ... is silence."

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Hey you guys ... I don't care what side of the fence you ride on, this is an actual living human being that was supposedly the target of a terrorist attack. Not to mention the people who were actually killed during this incident (23 is it?). Can you guys at least show some decency and respect for the situation at hand? This might be one of those topics that if you don't have anything nice to say, you might be best saying nothing at all.

Seibertron wrote:I moved this to the Philosopher's forum since people aren't able to handle this topic in General Discussion.

I wouldn't have moved it, i would have outright deleted it. It's disgraceful, intellectually ******, amd pathetic.

case in point.

I got a bottle of champaign ready to crack open should they succeed next time.

and like someone else said, I dispise politicians that violate people's rights, freedoms and privacys, all for the sake of so-called protection. Plus I feel LESS safe more than before.

This post actually makes me sick, physically ill, and utterly mad. You sick excuse for a human being. You are actually called for the murder of another human being. You are actually encourging the enemy to kill more people through terrorist acts.

I don't care if this post violates rules, I refuse to respect the opinion of someone as a sick and perverted as this.

Alpha Strike wrote:A) He is no Democrat, he is a pure Republican. the Prince of Darkness, Duke of Destruction the list goes on and on regarding how bad this guy is.

You did notice the lower-case 'd', didn't you? As for "Prince of Darkness [...]", I hope that was tongue-in-cheek, otherwise you need to spend less time on transfan boards and more time in the real world. Much as people love to bash the other side in partisan hate-fests, Democrats and Republicans are all democrats, and Islamists are all our enemies. It's not the other political party that is the threat, it's the guys who want to destroy every political party and replace it with a theocracy. Remember that.

Most of what I say politically is tounge in cheek when it comes to titles such as that. Chaney isn't exactly the democraticly elected official that he thinks he is. He and his partner were appointed and have manuvered many things to remain in power for profit. And I'd rag on a Democrat if they pulled the same stunts as have been forced upon the US and indeed the world over the past 6 years. I have little respect for people who violate the US constitution that are actually in positions to enforce it.

I hope you felt the same way about Clinton's administration because his administration took away more of our liberties and we were not even at war.

Alpha Strike wrote:A) He is no Democrat, he is a pure Republican. the Prince of Darkness, Duke of Destruction the list goes on and on regarding how bad this guy is.

You did notice the lower-case 'd', didn't you? As for "Prince of Darkness [...]", I hope that was tongue-in-cheek, otherwise you need to spend less time on transfan boards and more time in the real world. Much as people love to bash the other side in partisan hate-fests, Democrats and Republicans are all democrats, and Islamists are all our enemies. It's not the other political party that is the threat, it's the guys who want to destroy every political party and replace it with a theocracy. Remember that.

Most of what I say politically is tounge in cheek when it comes to titles such as that. Chaney isn't exactly the democraticly elected official that he thinks he is. He and his partner were appointed and have manuvered many things to remain in power for profit. And I'd rag on a Democrat if they pulled the same stunts as have been forced upon the US and indeed the world over the past 6 years. I have little respect for people who violate the US constitution that are actually in positions to enforce it.

I hope you felt the same way about Clinton's administration because his administration took away more of our liberties and we were not even at war.

Alpha Strike wrote:A) He is no Democrat, he is a pure Republican. the Prince of Darkness, Duke of Destruction the list goes on and on regarding how bad this guy is.

You did notice the lower-case 'd', didn't you? As for "Prince of Darkness [...]", I hope that was tongue-in-cheek, otherwise you need to spend less time on transfan boards and more time in the real world. Much as people love to bash the other side in partisan hate-fests, Democrats and Republicans are all democrats, and Islamists are all our enemies. It's not the other political party that is the threat, it's the guys who want to destroy every political party and replace it with a theocracy. Remember that.

Most of what I say politically is tounge in cheek when it comes to titles such as that. Chaney isn't exactly the democraticly elected official that he thinks he is. He and his partner were appointed and have manuvered many things to remain in power for profit. And I'd rag on a Democrat if they pulled the same stunts as have been forced upon the US and indeed the world over the past 6 years. I have little respect for people who violate the US constitution that are actually in positions to enforce it.

I hope you felt the same way about Clinton's administration because his administration took away more of our liberties and we were not even at war.

Really? What liberties did Bill Clinton take away from us?

You do know that it was his administration that started the purge of anything Christian being in the main stream.

Hence the happy holidays crap.

It's liberal groups who complain when people put up manger scenes at Christmas time, deeming them offensive.

He also took our over all morals away from us with his brothel of an oval office.

Seibertron wrote:I moved this to the Philosopher's forum since people aren't able to handle this topic in General Discussion.

I wouldn't have moved it, i would have outright deleted it. It's disgraceful, intellectually ******, amd pathetic.

case in point.

I got a bottle of champaign ready to crack open should they succeed next time.

and like someone else said, I dispise politicians that violate people's rights, freedoms and privacys, all for the sake of so-called protection. Plus I feel LESS safe more than before.

This post actually makes me sick, physically ill, and utterly mad. You sick excuse for a human being. You are actually called for the murder of another human being. You are actually encourging the enemy to kill more people through terrorist acts.

I don't care if this post violates rules, I refuse to respect the opinion of someone as a sick and perverted as this.

Actually if someone wanted to hang crap outside their house that's their business.

So no if someone hung a scene of Odin ON the tree, no I wouldn't take offense.

Since my wife is Wiccan, people believing in other things doesn't bother me as your implying that I'm saying. Funny my wife has no problems wishing someone a merry Christmas, and she celebrates the solstice.

My point is at the CHRISTMAS season, since a lot of the time Hanuka, ramadon and Christmas don't always run on the same week. Much like this past year. What holiday are people wishing, what are the stores dressed up for, lights outside stores, hmmmmmmm?

And if I were to say any kind of greeting to someone I would wish them a merry Christmas. If I knew they were Jewish I'd wish them a happy Hanuka and so on and so forth.

Um and since your so versed on knowledge. Did you know that most Asian religions except Christmas for what it is. But they prefer the buying part most of all.

Why are you bringing Asian peoples into this to begin with, I never hear Asians complaining about other peoples beliefs, because more than likely they don't care.

Um bringing up presidents from the past is a very moot point.

And since when did Washington start picketing outside a building over a manger scene? He had better things to do, LIKE RUN THE COUNTRY and government and religion were kept separate unlike with the democratic party and some of the republican party. The way it should be!

Um back when Clinton was in college they didn't have that get out of draft free card due to college. That was a more recent rule brought to the table.

My father was in college at Temple University in PA, and was made too go or he went to jail.

I pretty sure he knows more about the war process or the draft process then either you or I.

Darth Screamer wrote:You do know that it was his administration that started the purge of anything Christian being in the main stream.

Never mind certain Atheist founding fathers like Washington and John Adams, or Abraham Lincoln...

To clearify...

Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, and scores of others in the founding of the US Constitution were Deist, which meant they believed that a deity, or greater being, started the universe's to explain it's mere existence, but then state it didn't do squat afterwards, at least nothing noticable. Minor difference, but still no personal god, especially not that of Christianity, if you've ever read some of their quotes, especially Jefferson's.

Lincoln, however, is debated, as he references "God" in his speeches often, though whether he believed such, merely used it as a political tool, or was more a loose Christian spiritualist, as he never joined any church and hated to tie himself to such institutions, but still had a seemingly firm faith. Most go for the third option.

EDIT: As well, they didn't have to deal with Christian assertion because it didn't take hold of the government, ie. coinage, motto, etc., until the 1950's and the Macarthy Era.

As well, purging is a reactionary leftist movement, that basically calls for the exact opposite of the "Manger on federal soil," folks, which is equally distasteful. Everyone should display anything they want, provided it's on their property.

And Yul-Time decorations are fine with me. I still celebrate Christmas, though more the material 'love and joy represented by a generous flying fat man' aspect spread by the media. It's good to have an excuse to build fellowship in the US, provided technically nondenominational.

Cheney is a world leader in international state terrorism. If I believed his death would somehow end or even mitigate the global violence he was helped produce, I would stand right alongside the people in this thread bemoaning that the Taliban missed. As it stands, one despicable group failed to execute the leader of another, but managed to kill a lot of third parties in the crossfire--pretty much the same thing that's happened in our own attempts to kill Bin Laden. Killing Cheney might create sympathy for his kind and probably would not significantly slow down the neo-con gears, so it's possibly for the better he survived, and definitely sad that the others didn't.

Alpha Strike wrote:Most of what I say politically is tounge in cheek when it comes to titles such as that. Chaney isn't exactly the democraticly elected official that he thinks he is. He and his partner were appointed and have manuvered many things to remain in power for profit. And I'd rag on a Democrat if they pulled the same stunts as have been forced upon the US and indeed the world over the past 6 years. I have little respect for people who violate the US constitution that are actually in positions to enforce it.

I hope you felt the same way about Clinton's administration because his administration took away more of our liberties and we were not even at war.

Really? What liberties did Bill Clinton take away from us?

Let's start with Freedom of Speech.You're no longer to able to speak freely in our country. You must be sensitive in what you say, if you say something mean or bigoted then it's considered a hate crime (especially if you're White and you're saying something hateful about a minority group).

Freedom of Speech means protection for your speech, no matter how distateful it may be to some. This constitutional right was not written to enforce nonoffensive speech. It was meant to protect what is to some, offensive speech.

Here's the First Amendment if you are interested:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freddom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the peoiple peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Racial Profiling is illegalClinton's administration downsized the government's Intelligence bureaus and then bound their hands so they could no longer profile seedy characters properly. It's the reason why little old ladies are screened at airports while shady characters are not.

Let's say you see some swarthy men of Middle Eastern descent somewhere in the Heartland. You watch with interest as they're unloading something into a reservoir. Make certain you're not motivated by racial profiling before you call the FBI. You might get arrested for a hate crime. Remember, we are at war right now. But I guess it doesn't matter if you lose your life as long as you don't lose your political sensitivity and politcal correctness. You don't want Clinton's legacy to go up in smoke, do you?

Freedom of ReligionOur Founding Fathers guaranteed us "Freedom of Religion" not "Freedom from Religion". But Clinton's administration tried to erect a wall of separation between church and state. Despite what the left says the alleged "wall of separation between church and state" doesn't exist. It cannot be found in any of the constitutional documents.

Because of Clinton's administration Americans are no longer able to pray in public. This means that local children are not able to pray on their own in a park before a baseball game or any other public event. I don't belong to any religion, but it is terrible when a person's freedom is taken away.

They also tried to change the Pledge of Allegence. Now remember, saying the Pledge of Allegence is optional in schools. But they wanted you to believe that it was unconstitutional.

And as someone else has already mentioned- Americans are not allowed to display religious symbols on certain holidays in public; nor sing Christmas carols in public.

Mind ControlGore created a Ritalin program, which forced children to take medication even if the parents and child were against it. Children, deemed hyperactive in public schools, are forced to undergo psychological treatment (mind control) and take medication. Who makes the distinction between a hyperactive child and an immature child? Overtired teachers and pill popping psychologists? This program has already incured faults. Some of the children who were medicated were in fact- not hyperactive, but simply immature children.

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Alpha Strike wrote:Most of what I say politically is tounge in cheek when it comes to titles such as that. Chaney isn't exactly the democraticly elected official that he thinks he is. He and his partner were appointed and have manuvered many things to remain in power for profit. And I'd rag on a Democrat if they pulled the same stunts as have been forced upon the US and indeed the world over the past 6 years. I have little respect for people who violate the US constitution that are actually in positions to enforce it.

I hope you felt the same way about Clinton's administration because his administration took away more of our liberties and we were not even at war.

Really? What liberties did Bill Clinton take away from us?

Let's start with Freedom of Speech.You're no longer to able to speak freely in our country. You must be sensitive in what you say, if you say something mean or bigoted then it's considered a hate crime (especially if you're White and you're saying something hateful about a minority group).

Freedom of Speech means protection for your speech, no matter how distateful it may be to some. This constitutional right was not written to protect nonoffensive speech. It was meant to protect what is to some, offensive speech.

Here's the First Amendment if you are interested:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freddom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the peoiple peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Racial Profiling is illegalClinton's administration downsized the government's Intelligence bureaus and then bound their hands so they could no longer profile seedy characters properly. It's the reason why little old ladies are screened at airports while shady characters are not.

Let's say you see some swarthy men of Middle Eastern descent somewhere in the Heartland. You watch with interest as they're unloading something into a reservoir. Make certain you're not motivated by racial profiling before you call the FBI. You might get arrested for a hate crime. Remember, we are at war right now. But I guess it doesn't matter if you lose your life as long as you don't lose your political sensitivity and politcal correctness. You don't want Clinton's legacy to go up in smoke, do you?

Freedom of ReligionOur Founding Fathers guaranteed us "Freedom of Religion" not "Freedom from Religion". But Clinton's administration tried to erect a wall of separation. Despite what the left says the alleged "wall of separation between church and state" doesn't exist. It cannot be found in any of the constitutional documents. Now you're probably wondering, "How that can be so? My teacher taught that there was a division between Church and State." Question- was your teacher a liberal? Most of them are.

Because of Clinton's administration Americans are no longer able to pray in public. This means that local children are not able to pray on their own in a park before a baseball game or any other public event. I don't belong to any religion, but it is terrible when a person's freedom is taken away.

They also tried to change the Pledge of Allegence. Now remember, saying the Pledge of Allegence is optional in schools. But they wanted you to believe that it was unconstitutional.

And as someone else has already mentioned- Americans are not allowed to display religious symbols on certain holidays in public; nor sing Christmas carols in public.

Mind ControlGore created a Ritalin program, which forced children to take medication even if the parents and child were against it. Children, deemed hyperactive in public schools, are forced to undergo psychological treatment (mind control) and take medication. Who makes the distinction between a hyperactive child and an immature child? Overtired teachers and pill popping psychologists? This program has already incured faults. Some of the children who were medicated were in fact- not hyperactive, but simply immature children.

I've got to agree with most of what Stormrider outlined. While I don't blame Bill Clinton specifically, I truly believe that his organization did more to curtail our civil liberties than augment.

I pray in public. I get bad looks. But **** them. I'll pray if I want to pray, just like anybody with an opinion and a cardboard sign can protest if they want to.

stormrider wrote:Freedom of ReligionOur Founding Fathers guaranteed us "Freedom of Religion" not "Freedom from Religion". But Clinton's administration tried to erect a wall of separation between church and state. Despite what the left says the alleged "wall of separation between church and state" doesn't exist. It cannot be found in any of the constitutional documents.

Because of Clinton's administration Americans are no longer able to pray in public. This means that local children are not able to pray on their own in a park before a baseball game or any other public event. I don't belong to any religion, but it is terrible when a person's freedom is taken away.

They also tried to change the Pledge of Allegence. Now remember, saying the Pledge of Allegence is optional in schools. But they wanted you to believe that it was unconstitutional.

And as someone else has already mentioned- Americans are not allowed to display religious symbols on certain holidays in public; nor sing Christmas carols in public.

I can agree with every one but this (I'm not knowlegable on that aspect Al Gore's plans, but I wouldn't put such past him). Although I might be reading your statement wrongly, the Constitution in no way requires one to adhire to a religion, to quote from you:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Instead, it specifically says that no religious institution may be imposed upon someone, not that they may not forsake religion altogether.

As well, legislation under Clinton specifically allow for students to have individual prayer in schools, but not for the impressment of others to pray by faculty or by their fellow peers. A school may not host prayer, but an individual can pray when they want. If anything, it is liberation of personal belief.

As well, attempts at editing the Pledge of Allegence during the Clinton Administration were specifically to correct a prior editing to it in the 1950's, the Red Scare and the McCarthy Era, which also replaced "E Pluribus Unum" with "In God We Trust", with both had been without the world "God" since the nation's founding in 1789, over 150 year prior to the push to separate the US from the "Godless Atheists" of the USSR.

As well, the usual call for total censorship of religious symbols from any visible forum is something usually left to the farthest of the far left, and I can't find any statement by Clinton supporting that. Symbols on public property, however, is another story, though many argue that Christmas as propagated by the media is now secular option.

stormrider wrote:Racial Profiling is illegalClinton's administration downsized the government's Intelligence bureaus and then bound their hands so they could no longer profile seedy characters properly. It's the reason why little old ladies are screened at airports while shady characters are not.

Let's say you see some swarthy men of Middle Eastern descent somewhere in the Heartland. You watch with interest as they're unloading something into a reservoir. Make certain you're not motivated by racial profiling before you call the FBI. You might get arrested for a hate crime. Remember, we are at war right now. But I guess it doesn't matter if you lose your life as long as you don't lose your political sensitivity and politcal correctness. You don't want Clinton's legacy to go up in smoke, do you?

That's a nice Strawman you got there.And then you find out that they were just a bunch of blue-collar Greek sanitation employees, which would make you guilty of exactly that: a hate crime. Honestly, this position is a gross distortion of the truth. This law simply upholds a pretty old and ringing axiom: You can't judge a book by its cover. Besides, I would seriously doubt the competance of a spy agency that bases its surveilance off a targets' skin colour and personal grooming.

Freedom of ReligionOur Founding Fathers guaranteed us "Freedom of Religion" not "Freedom from Religion". But Clinton's administration tried to erect a wall of separation between church and state. Despite what the left says the alleged "wall of separation between church and state" doesn't exist. It cannot be found in any of the constitutional documents.

Technically true. The idea of seperation of church and state stems moreso from a certain man named Thomas Jefferson, paticularly this letter:

"State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society."- Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists, 1808.

Also note that the constitution never mentions God, or Jesus, outside of a sentance added to American Currency and one inserted well after the fact, both during the McCarthy era witch hunts. Surely, Senator McCarthy knew more of constitutional matters than the people who actually wrote the constitution.

AfterImage wrote:Surely, Senator McCarthy knew more of constitutional matters than the people who actually wrote the constitution.

And, if you ever read a short biography of him, it becomes clear that he was a power-hungry demagogue and a chronic liar-- he lied about his service in WWII in order to gain popularity in the political spectrum, as well as ruining the lives of hundreds of government workers and civilians on wild alligations that he had simply fabricated-- the "200 names" he had in his folder during one of his most famous speeches were nonexistant-- the folder was empty. The end of his career actually came when one of his attacks was televised and people saw what a spineless dick he was.