Need some advice here.The mk4 leupy 1-5x'sI don't really need illumination and feel its only one more thing to go wrong.

IS there any difference in the light gathering ability of the 30mm tube versus the 1"??

The m2 turrets seem good for correcting the spr marks.I haven't seem the closed 1" tube turrets so I ask if they are re-settable?

Sort of a toss up.

I could swing to a SS 1-4 or viper PST or Burris XTR.

My veiw is for a subsonic and sonic round out to 325+ and the SPR gives me the distance with change of power with out knob turning.20 mil instead of 5 mil.

Yep I maybe low power for a fast short work.This is for hunting and range plinking.Real hunting distance wouldn't be that far and no knob turning required.prolly 150 - 200 tops with out a rangefinder.Plenty far enough for us heathens I hate those "ballistic never match stuff reticles 13.26 moa but could use one with a cheat sheet and enough time to get used to one.

Exposed turrets seem vunerable to me for the drop on the noggin and shearing of those 200 tpi threads or whatever they are in them.

Feel free to blaze away for a Whipser scope for a "short light handy carrry rifle" and why.

After using the SS 1-4 for a week almost, I'd have to say go that route, the illumination is one of the most thought out useful designs availible and the glass is superb. I plan on adding one to a 16" bolt gun for pest control soon.

Just me personally - but I generally find that the value proposition of the Leupold series is less than optimum. but that is a personal preference.

You might consider - the SS offering (as was suggested above already). Also the Weaver 1-5x24 which seems to have daylight illum and 30mm tube (although also appears to be moa turret on a semi-milling reticle). And then the Vortex HD - which goes upscale on the $ side but begins to trail off on value - again - IMO. And finally - if you want outstanding glass, and are less concerned with FFP,etc - the Swarovski z6i 1-6 is fabulous. Last I looked, there was one listed in A condition on the Sample List.

Well its time for the leupy bashers to give me a reason to go over to a pst or ss. the swaro just won't cut it for me in elevation and is way over my humble budget.

Pst $500SS $800Leupy $900They are my upper limit.I have waited for over a year for these to come on the market and have been saving my pennies.I'd like to side by side review a review of these 3.Any on the web I can veiw??Haven't found much yet.

The SS with mils is a downer for me 'cos I work in the 'old money so as to speak and mtres and cm is all fine with a tape measure but not mean anything in this minds eye.

A mil reticle or mil turrets have nothing to do with the metric system, unless that is the system you choose to use. A mil is a unit of measure. It subtends to 1/1000's of whatever is being measured...1m @1000m, 1yd @1000yd. This why it can be used as a range finding device. If we know the size of the target, and the size of our reticle, we can find the variable(distance to the target).

If our turrets match the reticle, we can use the reticle to adjust the point of impact of rounds. This makes adjusting fire simpler and much faster, for me anyways.

Add to that the illumination on the SS is great, the scope is very well built, and SS scopes don't tend to break as much as Leupold scopes do (some will argue the point - mostly people who possess safe queens.)

I haven't run the PST yet but hear the glass is comparable to the older Vortex optics - meaning it is decent but not nearly as good as the SS.

Whispers are fun but present a whole new set of challenges. For those challenges, I find the SS 1-4X to be the best option.

Not that it makes any difference - and not to be a nit picker - but the concept of a milliradian is very much related to the metric system. Any quantum that is a base 10 decimal variant of a parent unit is a metric system. Who cares - well, that is a good question.

the main feature of the metric system is the use of a standard set of inter-related base units and a standard set of prefixes in powers of ten that could be used to derive larger and smaller units from the base units

Not that it makes any difference - and not to be a nit picker - but the concept of a milliradian is very much related to the metric system. Any quantum that is a base 10 decimal variant of a parent unit is a metric system. Who cares - well, that is a good question.

the main feature of the metric system is the use of a standard set of inter-related base units and a standard set of prefixes in powers of ten that could be used to derive larger and smaller units from the base units

Not to be a nitpicker - but where is the base unit and quantum that you are speaking of when referring to mills. To my knowledge 10 mills does not equal anything besides ten mills. and .1 mill is just that, it is .1 mill. Please tell me where the base 10 decimal of a parent unit is.

It is 1/6400th of a circle. The fact that a mill based turret breaks it down by .1 can not be your bassis. That would be like you saying inches are metric based because my calipers read in tenths, hundreds, and thousands of an inch.

Now maybe you are thinking that the relationship of the lineal dimension of the opposite side of the triangle with a one mil angle is 1/1000s of the distance of the leg of that triangle. So yes mathematically the relationship is a base 1000 relationship. But by no means is the angular measurement of a mill a "quantum that is a base 10 decimal variant of a parent unit."

Another route Iv'e thought of is a leupy v3 1" with a M1 turrent on it. $ 460. No zero stop but the marks will tell me where it is.1/4 moa be small enough!!!! Cheat sheet on stock. range . dial up and shoot.No fuss simple reticle a 1.5x for close stuff. Good to @ 100yrds for quick shots on a 3-4" target.120 moa travel= 60 + the post on 4x = 11.6" I thunk just gets me there.

May have to fudge the base and gain another 5-10 moa.

Me old scope had 135 moa total= 68 so my base must have about 4 moa on it.

The 30mm illum luepy 1.5-5x be about $660 with M1 heavy enough to be in with the others too much maybe.V3 $460 same glass as Mk4 ??? lightest simple for simple me.PST $500 = equivalent v 2.5 glass +++sh*t loads travel Mk4 $860= ++nice dot on low - mil & moa no way of knowing how many turns form zero I'm at after a while.ss $800= dunno think the line be too thin for me at low and spacing too wide. + good glass.

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