Sooo..NYC Fast Food Workers Went On Strike. Want a Union.

It's classic divide and conquer...one guy gets $9 and hour at a different shop (same work) a union guy get $15 dollars an hour...both shops owned by the same people....very, very rich...but to hear them tell it.....barely scrapping by....Now the guy making $9 dollars an hour starts to think about what his daddy told him...Son we don't need no stinking union...I get a turkey every year at Christmas, and we have the nicest trailer in the park....and they call it a " Right to work state" Thats got to be good! YEEE HAAAA!!!! Beside I watch Fox news and Bill O'Reilly says unions are bad...just like the Boss man told us..It MUST BE TRUE.... Its that bad ole unions fault why everything is so expensive!!! But what Jethro doesn't know is the union shop is making money hand over fist too....So instead of trying to improve his standard of living...He falls for Billy Os and the Boss mans Gospel...And tries to Destroy the only entity out there ( even with its faults) that will ever help him....in so doing...He only pulls the Union guy Down...now they are both shit house poor and with all the saving the boss man makes... Do you think he shares it with his workers? Hell NO !! He lobbies Congress to let him move his operation to Bangladesh.... And they give it a spiffy name like " FREE TRADE " hell that must be good too!!!!

I've worked union jobs and non union jobs...Union is better I've been Flush and I've been broke...Flush is better and bar non....The Cheapest..most Greedy people I have ever dealt with were ALWAYS rich...

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

:uniontwink:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.

Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752316

1) So the owner is supposed to take LESS and LESS money (profit) for his efforts starting and running that franchise?

2) Free money??? What free money??? This ain't no government operation!

3) Businesses can always adapt? Hysteria is FAKE??? You are kidding right?

Have you been away on MARS for the last 4 years???Do I REALLY need to list the all the permanently BANKRUPT and DEFUNCT companies that couldn't do what you say.

You would think it would be SEIU. You know the group all brown people wearing red communist shirts.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28749409

SEIU is very obnoxious.

There's an old folks' home that I drive past often. For the past year (I kid you not) there has been a strike going on at the entrance. They don't stop anyone going in or out, but there are a bunch of brown people holding SEIU signs, saying the employer was using unfair labor practices.

I hope they can just get rid of that union altogether and kick these people away from the entrance.

fire them all and replace them. TONS of people would be there to take their place in an instant.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123

Then see them go to the NLRB. We have laws in this country. Once workers form a "concerted effort" they are protected. Look up the penalties and costs of firing workers for union activity before you give such advice.

Wages are the price of labor. If the price of beef goes up you can't start serving rats. If the price of labor goes up you can't hire rats.

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.

Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752316

In your bringing up the point that supply and demand drives the market and dictates what you can charge for an item before suffering loses but you must also consider that connivance food is just that a connivance and not a necessity.

If the prices on these marginal connivance food rises much more then they currently are then it would drive more people to eat at home or package meals for the road, which would be a good thing.

Since our economy is not stable and those left with expendable funds allocated for such trivial convince purchases would dwindle those left frequenting these fast food establishments would be those who fall under the government dependent class using their EBT cards for burgers and fries.

Your analogy of the owner pocketing less than a living wage for himself is ludicrous and I suspect the owner would rather lay off employees before going home with the dregs from the cash register.

We see an ever-increasing number of fast food restaurants closing due to customers choosing other options to save money.

1) So the owner is supposed to take LESS and LESS money (profit) for his efforts starting and running that franchise?

2) Free money??? What free money??? This ain't no government operation!

3) Businesses can always adapt? Hysteria is FAKE??? You are kidding right?

Have you been away on MARS for the last 4 years???Do I REALLY need to list the all the permanently BANKRUPT and DEFUNCT companies that couldn't do what you say.

Two EASY examples to prove how full of crap you are....

1) GM (saved by Obama union thuggery)2) Hostess

END OF STORY AND LIES.

Now .... :gtfor:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

1) Yes, they are. Do you really think they are living slim? They are raking in tons of money at the expense of their workers, moran!

2) The only free money was given to these big businesses when Obama bailed out a substantial amount of them. Do you think any of that free money funneled down to the workers, or to the customers? It lined the pockets of the already rich.

3) Businesses can't adapt? So people who work in these companies should be forced to take less and less of the money whereas the people who own the companies should continue to rake in the lion's share? Yes, owners deserve their money, but so do the people who make them their money in the first place!

4) There was no 4, just wanted to say how stupid you are. You have bought into the propaganda that you have been spoon-fed, about unions being a bad thing. Yes, unions CAN be a bad thing, but so can corrupt business leadership that hoards the majority of the profits for themselves!

Obviously these are NOT small businesses, you think that McDonald's, KFC, and Burger king are losing tons of money?

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

:uniontwink:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752316

1) So the owner is supposed to take LESS and LESS money (profit) for his efforts starting and running that franchise?

2) Free money??? What free money??? This ain't no government operation!

3) Businesses can always adapt? Hysteria is FAKE??? You are kidding right?

Have you been away on MARS for the last 4 years???Do I REALLY need to list the all the permanently BANKRUPT and DEFUNCT companies that couldn't do what you say.

Two EASY examples to prove how full of crap you are....

1) GM (saved by Obama union thuggery)2) Hostess

END OF STORY AND LIES.

Now .... :gtfor:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Yes. The owner will take less and less profit until he is "earning" less than he could earn elsewhere. If he owns the real eatate under his store he will operate at no profit so long as his property holds its value.

Yes. "Free money". If I own a McDonalds and do not work there, I get checks in the mail for doing nothing. Other people work for me. They get paid wages. I get paid for OWNING the store, but ownership costs me nothing in effort or expense. I get free money.

Yes. The hysteria over labor costs is fake. The world won't end because a business pays labor a living wage and investors "earn" less profit. Hysterically predicting rising prices and failing businesses (no jobs) is just an attempt to frighten workers.

No. Unions didn't steal your Twinkies. Hostess failed because no one eats simple carbs, trans fats, and artificial crap anymore. There are better cupcakes--fresh, "all natural", on every block. Hostess didn't keep up with market preferences. It became obsolete. If no one wants your HoHo you can have all volunteer labor and still go broke.

You won't have to deal with union hassles--but your employees will still benefit from unions. See, let's say you have a widget shop. You make and repair widgets. So does a big union shop in the nearest large city.You are in a smaller suburban city. Who do you hire? Widget makers, of course. Do you prefer the ones you have to train or the ones the union has trained? Depends on you.

My dad liked to train his men. He hired at state minimum wage. He gave them wages when they could do the work or higher wage men. He had the time and expertise to do that.

But you may prefer union trained workers. Good thing unions have standards.

Now how are you going to attract them? Yours is a small shop. Some like that. You are out in the suburbs. A lot of people like that. You pay half what the union shop pays..just kidding,,, you could NOT. You can offer it. A single mom who has to meet the school bus might go for it. A kid who can't get into the union might. But most of your people are going to look at their options, and run their own cost benefit. Most of your better workers will earn the union wage.

But you don't have the hassle of dealing with the union. You and your employees still benefit from their esistence. So you may as well support them.

If your business has some setback--the widget is replaced by a better product and you didn't see it coming--you'll be glad to take a union job with your ex employees--just until you retrain in the new thing and start over.

I never understood why some professions have unions and others don't. Mailmen have a union. Fast food workers don't. Working at McDonald's is a much more demanding job.

Quoting: JohnC 19603600

Some workers form unions. Others do not.

McDonalds has always (until recently) been a teenager's job. Part time, low wage. Kids got a little pocket money and a reference with a little education into how a real business operates. They worked summers, maybe after school a few days a week. They didn't need much money. When I was in HS kids who needed more money found higher paying work. I earned more than double a McDonalds wage as a Pizza Hut waitress.

Now that adult men and women have to take what jobs there are, to support themselves and their families, they are going to demand responsible adult wages.

They have to.

Mail delivery has always been an adult only job. Its done during the day. It requires physical strength and adult judgement.

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

:uniontwink:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752316

1) So the owner is supposed to take LESS and LESS money (profit) for his efforts starting and running that franchise?

2) Free money??? What free money??? This ain't no government operation!

3) Businesses can always adapt? Hysteria is FAKE??? You are kidding right?

Have you been away on MARS for the last 4 years???Do I REALLY need to list the all the permanently BANKRUPT and DEFUNCT companies that couldn't do what you say.

I think a company with 6 CEOs in 8 years; none of whom had any bread and cake baking industry experience, where workers had taken concessions to help the company survive a previous bankruptcy, where Hostess management had already planned to close plants even if the workers accepted the cuts and stayed at work, where top executives had gotten massive raises as Hostess was about to enter bankruptcy, where investments in the company’s future, promised as part of restructuring after the previous bankruptcy, were never made, where management was put in place by private equity companies, Wall Street investors, “restructuring experts”, third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a “liquidation specialist” were all factors that helped to expedite Hostess demise. Blaming unions and the Obamanation is retarded, but his is GLP so I'm not surprised...

You can't live on $9 per hour in NYC so I guess I can't blame them. However, fast food was never meant to be a career (excepting for management) - it was a high school kid's job. With the economy and the dumbing down of our people, that's all many adults can find or are qualified for. $15 for a fast food place - plus unionization - which would spread across the country. Well, that would put most places out of business because customers will only pay so much for such a meal before they say screw it and make their own.

I say, give them the higher pay and benefits. If the cost of my "value meal" goes up a little, so what. The only thing i ask in return is, hire people who actually do their jobs! You know, people who act friendly, people who care about others, people who want you to be happy with the food that you just spent your hard earned money on! What some of these workers do not understand is this. If pay and benefits go up, so will the quality of the workers. NO MORE SLACKERS!

"...several protests at different locations in the city, including Times Square and the Fulton Street Mall in Brooklyn. Workers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Yum Brand -run restaurants KFC and Taco Bell are expected to join.

Workers say they are asking for a pay raise to $15 an hour and the right to form a union. Currently, the median pay for the nearly 50,000 fast food workers in New York City is $9 an hour..."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256524

Bussed in UNION thugs.....AGAIN.

Just think....they want McDonalds to pay them $15.00 (up from the 7.50-9.50) they pay them now.

Guess what happens to McDonalds food prices?....then guess what happens to their ENTIRE business as a result when people stop buying due to high prices?

F*cking Socialists.

:uniontwink:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I will guess. Price is where supply and demand curves intersect. Price is a function of supply and demand.

If unions drive wages up, how does that affect what someone is willing to pay for a cheeseburger or how many cheeseburgers there are to sell? It doesn't.

So how will franchise owners pay higher wages? Well, money comes in to the cash register. Some goes into buying more cheeseburgers and keeping the electric on. Some goes into the owners pocket. I guess any increase in cost means the owner takes less in profits. He gets less free money. So long as he gets more free money than he would get in another business, he will keep his fast food restaurant running.

Businesses can always adapt to rising costs of materials and supplies. Their hysteria at increased labor costs is FAKE.

Nine dollars an hour in NYC? Who can live on that? Homeless people? You want to eat a burger cooked by a guy sleeps in a city shelter? Or on a grate or in a condemned building? Bathing in the mens room sink? OMG.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752316

In your bringing up the point that supply and demand drives the market and dictates what you can charge for an item before suffering loses but you must also consider that connivance food is just that a connivance and not a necessity.

If the prices on these marginal connivance food rises much more then they currently are then it would drive more people to eat at home or package meals for the road, which would be a good thing.

Since our economy is not stable and those left with expendable funds allocated for such trivial convince purchases would dwindle those left frequenting these fast food establishments would be those who fall under the government dependent class using their EBT cards for burgers and fries.

Your analogy of the owner pocketing less than a living wage for himself is ludicrous and I suspect the owner would rather lay off employees before going home with the dregs from the cash register.

We see an ever-increasing number of fast food restaurants closing due to customers choosing other options to save money.

Fast food wages do not affect fast food prices. Wages can double and prices will stay the same. Never do wages affect prices.

But when fast food wages double, more fast food workers will be able to afford to buy a burger and a shake on their way home. Or movie tickets. Or things for the kids. And the whole economy gets better.