Hybristophilia , The Female Attraction to Violence

Ok, gentleman, today we’re going to discuss hybristophilia, a term I think most encapsulates the female penchant for the “bad boy”. First the definition of the term according to a medical dictionary online,

-HybristophiliaA paraphilia in which a person is sexuoerotically attracted to a person who has committed an outrage or a gruesome crime

Maybe it’s better to start with some examples found in popular culture and work our way up to the real world examples. Many site the dynamic duo of the DC comics universe, the Joker and his equally psychopathic female companion Harley Quinn of being a clear cut example of the “Florence nightingale effect” In reference to the dedication that Florence Nightingale, who many consider to be the founder of modern nursing, demonstrated to her patients. It is described as follows:

The Florence Nightingale effect is a situation where a caregiver develops romantic and/or sexual feelings for his/her patient, even if very little communication or contact takes place outside of basic care.[1] Feelings may fade once the patient is no longer in need of care, either by recovery or death.

I believe this is a misdiagnosis of Quinn, or at least only a partial diagnoses. If you’re versed on the Origins of the Jokers main squeeze, you’ll know that Quinn started as an Arkham asylum psychiatrist named Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel, M.D, who was tasked during her internship with psychoanalysis of some of Gothams worse and most psychopathic criminals, one of which was the Joker himself. During the process of interviewing the Joker, Quinn became mesmerized by his Charisma, a trait that psychopaths often cultivate to hide their true natures. Swayed by the Jokers force of personality and charm, Quinn fell deeply in love with the Joker, culminating in her helping him escape, unleashing one of the most dangerous psychopaths in the DC comics universe back into the streets in the process, and eventually quit her comfortable life as a psychiatrist and joined him in his crime spree, taking on the persona of Harley Quinn as we know her today. Watch it all unfold here.

Harley Quinn suffered not only from this “Florence nightingale effect”, but instead from an advanced case of hybristophilia. Furthermore I will speculate here that hybristophilia is an as of yet poorly understood condition that seems to be categorized into a very simplistic classification of women who are hybrostophiliacs and women that are not hybrostiphiliacs with nothing residing in between.

Think back to our ancient existence, When human beings were leading prehistoric, short and often times violent lives. The creature comforts of our modern technologically advanced civilization simply didn’t exist. Mr. Caveman who wanted to have reproductive access to the female sex had to have something to offer in return. He had to assure the females he wanted to mate with that he would provide them with regular access to shelter and sustenance, He had to be violent enough to kill enough game so as to feed himself, his women and the children he produced with them, he also had to have an innate capacity to kill other men that may want to move in on the resource rich tract of land he controlled, or the women he had sexual access to. To put it bluntly, violent men have been selected by women for reproduction since time immemorial and despite the fact that we have, through a manipulation of evolutionary drives, built a civilization that alleviates this burden of violence to a large degree, a great many women still crave violent men.

Your average woman of course has no desire to date a violent psychopath, at least not one on the order of a serial killer like Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez. But she does want a little bit of that violent cave man to trickle through the civilized exterior of the men she is attracted to on occasion. I’ve explored this topic somewhat in a video I uploaded a few years ago titled -Female Rape Fantasy Is Not What It Seems- and will post it here.

Essentially, Women seek to ensure their safety and provision within society via a sort of double-whammy attack pattern. Simply extracting male provision via tax payer subsidy is not enough. The obsession with protection and provision that we see from the female expresses itself on the macro scale, via the pursuance of sometimes downright fascistic laws surrounding violence against women such as rape shield and primary aggressor laws etc.

These laws are often times wholly inconsiderate of concepts of equality like due process and the hard won luxury of a legal system that presumes innocence before guilt is established. To the collective unconscious, the borg hive-mind that drives the enfranchised female masses, due process is irrelevant, they are voting with their hind brain and thus they vote to ensure that their most primitive needs and desires are addressed and satiated. The problem is they can never be satiated, they beckon and demand more safety and more provision…forever.

Thus, while female enfranchisement leverages the electoral process in their favor, and after the legal system has implemented as much gynocentrism as it can bear without collapsing, the individual female also has been simultaneously cultivating her individual instinct for her own protection and provision In the form of what we in the MGTOW world have coined as the “Alpha male brute”. An individual who is prone to violence and physically imposing enough to deal a lot of damage with it, who is also often times not intelligent enough to understand that he is an a servile position to the female he is involved with, existing as a hired thug who is paid in sexual access. It is an pincer attack designed to maximize benefit for the female collective, and frankly men’s rights, health, or lives never factor into this process in any meaningful way. It is purely and potently gynocentric.

Take as an example the following video, preceded by a quick synopsis.

-Woman walks into a fast food joint and cuts in line.

-Man responds by telling a person he is having a conversation with that the woman cut in line

-Woman overhears this and immediately gets in his face, bing rude, argumentative and ultimately violent

-Eventually her 300 lb ex convict boyfriend joins the conversation, at which point a brief confrontation between the man and her boyfriend ensues.

So then…what did we witness here besides a vicious attack? Well, lets start from the perspective of the woman. Let us assume hypothetically that this woman might have started this confrontation without her boyfriend there to protect her. Let’s assume that the men attacked her in self defense after she initiated the violence. This woman would likely have no problem relying on the first line of gynocentric protection available to her, that is the macro scale level protection of a police force or a passing white knight who would leap to her defense without even questioning who initiated the violence. This is why women advocate for primary aggressor laws that almost universally assume guilt on the part of the man in domestic violence disputes despite evidence to the contrary if it exists. Again, women want this to be the case, they are not concerned with due process and equal rights for men, they are concerned with leveraging the state and having it bolster their primordial reproductive habits.

In this case however, her boyfriend was around, who was by all accounts the alpha male brute that we describe in the mgtow community. He is prone to violence, physically imposing and almost seems to take pleasure in subjecting another man to the brutality he can unleash on behalf of his female master. It’s an extreme example of what all woman desire on some level, communal protections from non-violent men in the form of a legal system, and individual protections from violent men in the form these alpha male brutes that are more than willing to disregard those legal protections.

This is what drives the female tendency to hybristophilia, which only seems to be pathologised in the most extreme examples, but which actually lies instead on a continuum. It is a spectrum of hybristophilia ranging from the woman who prefers a spanking by her man in the bedroom, all the way up to and including the “serial killer groupies” that gained notoriety for swooning at hyper violent serial killers such as Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez during the fanfare of their trials.

Every woman who asks you to choke her, spank her, smack her ass or spit on her in a safe and controlled setting during consensual sex is acting out this misunderstood urge. She is looking to you to unleash your inner cave man, she is asking you to become a violent weapon that she can wield for her protection, and in doing this she receives immense sexual stimulation.

I do not hate women for this, nor do I expect them to change this. I believe it is an innate quality of female sexual attraction. I do not excuse them either if they act on these urges in any way that causes real, instead of simulated violence against other human beings like the woman depicted above. The women that are so beholden to their primitive drives that they take to wielding one of these brutes via proxy violence to harm others should be locked up and kept away from civilized people.

But in terms of the urge, the female attraction to violent men, I suspect there is very little we can do to counteract this. The fictional universe of Gattaca addressed this via filtering out the genetic markers for violence they had discovered, and I suspect that the only way we will ever change this quirk of female attraction would be through something along those lines. This would necessitate a highly unethical eugenics campaign the likes of which I soundly reject and would never take part in. Given this, it seems we are left with containment of the beast as it were.

We will have to understand the female proclivity toward selecting violent men, and we will have to manage it and discourage it to the best of our ability. And so I begin our efforts here with simple documentation.

STOCKHOLM (AFP) – She calls him by his first name, sends him letters every week, and promises to wait for him. It could be any love story but Victoria’s heart belongs to a mass murderer: Anders Behring Breivik.

Responsible for Norway’s worst peacetime killing since World War II, Breivik, like many other notorious killers, has his share of admirers, a phenomenon that can be accompanied by sexual attraction and in which case even has a term: hybristophilia.

“I really wouldn’t want to live a life without him,” says “Victoria”, who does not want her real name published.

A young Swedish woman in her 20s, she comes off as distant and standoffish, ignoring her fresh cup of coffee in a Stockholm hotel lobby. But her voice cracks when she talks about her “dearest Anders”.

From a small town in Sweden, she is doing everything she can to obtain an easing of Breivik’s prison conditions: he has spent the past four years in isolation at a high-security penitentiary.

He is currently serving a 21-year sentence, which can be extended if he is still considered a danger to society.

Breivik killed 77 people on July 22, 2011, when he set off a bomb near the government offices in Oslo and then opened fire on a Labour youth summer camp on the island of Utoya.

For Victoria, Breivik’s isolation amounts to “torture”.

“I care even more about him now that he is in such a vulnerable situation,” she says.

Unemployed because of health issues, she writes to him to help boost his morale – so far more than 150 letters – or sends him small gifts, including a dark blue tie he occasionally wore during his trial.

In return, she has received two letters from him – which she showed to AFP – the others having been blocked by prison officials tasked with censoring his mail.

– Marriage proposals –

It’s not easy to define her relationship with Breivik, a man she has never met since all of her requests to visit him have been denied.

She describes him as both her “old friend” and a protective “brother figure”, but admits that she finds him attractive and “there were romantic interests, at first, at least from my part.”

She says their first contact dates back to 2007 when they met through an online game. He cut off ties with her two years later, most likely to concentrate on planning his attacks.

But in early 2012, Victoria reconnected with the man who by then had become the most hated person in Norway.

And she is not alone.

The weekly Morgenbladet reported last year that Breivik receives “at least” 800 letters a year, many of them from female admirers. During his 2012 trial, it emerged that a 16-year-old girl had asked him to marry her.

Hybristophilia is a term used by criminologists – but not scientists – to describe a sexual attraction to violent killers in prison, who often receive racy love letters or sexy undergarments from their fans.

Also known as the “Bonnie and Clyde syndrome”, it has existed throughout time and across borders.

Josef Fritzl of Austria, who held his daughter captive and raped her repeatedly for 25 years, and American killer Charles Manson also have their own fan clubs.

– Often abused women –

According to Sheila Isenberg, an American author who interviewed 30 women for her book Women Who Love Men Who Kill, these admirers often have a history of sexual abuse.

“It’s a chance for a woman to be in control (the man is behind bars for life and has no control over anything), when previously she had been abused by her father (or) other men,” she explained to AFP.

“Also, it is romance with a capital R: exciting, thrilling, (a) never-ending rollercoaster. Nothing humdrum or ordinary about these relationships.”

There is, however, no scientific evidence to support the widespread belief that these women feel they are on a mission to help the killer get on the right track in life, said Amanda Vicary, an assistant professor of psychology at Wesleyan University in the United States.

“Some women tend to be drawn to famous men – it’s possible that the reason for some women’s attraction to men who have done horrible things is not so much what they’ve done, but the fame they have received from their acts,” she said.

Victoria, meanwhile, says she is not a fame seeker.

Her involvement with Breivik has already cost her her relationship with her sister, who, upon learning of her ties to him, told her: “You’re dead to me.”

And she has distanced herself from her friends.

She admits to “more or less” sharing Breivik’s Islamophobic ideology, but says she is opposed to violence.

So how can she love a man who coldly gunned down dozens of terrified teenagers, some of whom begged him to spare their lives?

“I guess I had to separate Anders from Breivik really. I think of Anders as my old friend and Breivik as the person who did all those things.”

The years go by, and yet, she refuses to give up on him.

“I miss him more and more every day. I guess my feelings have gotten a bit stronger.”

Another interesting article that I stumbled on will really give you a bit of insight into the nature of this phenomenon, it is titled Editorial: On Love, Sex and Murderers and is very long so I will post only the parts I deem relevant:

Serial killers are interesting.

We are at once fascinated and repulsed by the study of sociopaths out for blood – and most often, men out for the blood of women. The idea of the “good” serial killer à la Dexter is a relatively new one, but it’s a long known fact that women flooded Ted Bundy with love letters, a woman married Richard Ramirez while he was in jail, and there are countless other examples of lesser known criminals and their groupies.

ted-bundy-collage Why? We ask why serial killers do what they do all the time – perhaps this is where the fascination starts for people who identify as “hybristophiliacs.”

A few years ago I encountered a girl who was around sixteen that self-identified as a Ted-Head (a Ted Bundy groupie). It was easy to dismiss as the romanticization of a man who’s horror she had never experienced. Her other interests were, like many of mine, dark and subversive.

My thinking at the time was that some day she would grow up and realize that finding a person interesting is not the same as finding them emotionally or sexually attractive. After all, Bundy used the fact that he was a handsome man to kill women. He’s not exactly the kind of guy you would want to date (you wouldn’t want to date Rodney James Alcala, either, but he famously won The Dating Game).

I wanted to write a bit about the Ted Bundy phenomenon and how it continues in a new generation. I started at a website titled Bundyphile, hoping to start right at the source in my efforts to write about and gain some understanding of the young women embracing Bundy (one Facebook page referred to him as “The misunderstood voice of a generation”). The themes featured on these sites were repetitive:

Bundy wasn’t “all bad”. Bundy was misunderstood. Yes, what Bundy did was wrong, but you can love and admire him without idolizing his crimes.

Many of the women and girls obsessing over Bundy and other serial killers seem to think they could be the person to change them, or nurture them, or be “the one” that was there for them and kept all the bad things from happening. In one blog entry, a woman calling herself “Lolita” proclaims, in all caps of course, “ANYWAY, IF MY OWN DEATH COULD FILL THE HOLLOW SOUL OF TED BUNDY, I [WOULD] HAVE REALLY LOVED TO BE HIS LAST VICTIM.”

She claimed they were similar, she claimed to understand him. He was “different” from other killers (remember, Ted Bundy was likely dead before this woman was born). A few minutes into my research it became clear that one cannot look for Ted-Heads without finding Dahmer “fangirls” and the obsession many internet fangirls have with gay male sex. Specifically, Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer engaged in gay sex.

This was around the time my research took a sharp left turn. Up to this point, the women seemed emotionally invested, and yes, obsessed. They seemed to believe that the love of a woman like themselves could have saved the violent men they idolized.

When I hit Mrs. Dahmer’s Infinityland, it became clear that there was much more to this phenomenon than the tendency of high school/college aged girls to fall for “misunderstood,” “dark” men. This was about sex. Okay, yeah. I guess we knew that, but it was about some seriously dark, disturbing sex based completely on how violent and terrible these men were. A tumblr post reads:

-Most girls: Have you seen his body, though?-Me: Have you seen his body count though?

“Mrs. Dahmer’s” page features several photos of Dahmer, most mug shots or photos of him in prison jumpsuits. The photos are captioned lovingly, the way you might imagine a middle school girl might caption a photo of her favorite Disney heart-throb in her diary, but it devolves from there rather quickly.

Once I discover the “hybristerotica” tag on tumblr, things get decidedly dark, decidedly fast.

A tumblr dedicated to the celebration of hybristophilia drags me deep into a corner of the internet I never expected to find. Sex and Crime All The Time features, among other things, photos of famous serial killers with sexually explicit “confessions” plastered over them and a serial erotica story called Stockholm Syndrome focusing on Richard Ramirez.

night-stalker I want to take a moment to state that I understand that rape fantasy is not the same as wanting to be raped and that plenty of women with healthy sex lives are into rough play – however, I think this fantasy becomes a little different when the fantasies are focused on men known to prey on women violently.

I also wonder about the line in the sand as these women proudly identify as “hybristophiliacs” and defend the legitimacy of this attraction, though the profile of women who fit the definition isn’t a list of positive personality traits and many of them admit to sexual dysfunction outside of situations where they are fantasizing about killers.

The hardcore hybristophiliacs don’t often bother with claiming the men they obsess over are “misunderstood,” or “only part bad.” When an anonymous fan of the tumblr asks if Ted Bundy loved his wife and child, the owner of the blog answers, “I don’t think he did.”

There do seem to be limits, though. One anon says she’s “sad” because Eric Harris’s diary featured homophobic sentiment. The owner of the blog comforts her by assuming he would have outgrown those sentiments if he had lived. The “line,” however doesn’t have anything to do with the way the men treated women.

It seems the worse the offense, the more these women are drawn to them, the more violent the fantasy.

For some reason, I find the obsession with men like Bundy and Ramirez less disturbing than the sexual and romantic fantasies associated with more recent killers. There is a good chance the women idolizing Bundy, wearing his face on pendants, and staring at his picture weren’t alive when Bundy died in 1989. He can be a “character” like Loki from the Avengers or yes, even Dexter. No one they know has had contact with him, they didn’t feel the fear and horror he caused personally.

But the women fantasizing about Elliot Rodger were most definitely alive when he opened fire in Santa Barbara in May of this year. Their obsession goes deeper than his looks – these women have studied his hateful videos and so-called manifesto. His vitriol toward women does nothing to push these hybristophiliacs away. In fact, it seems to do the opposite, all the women drawn to Rodger have a common desire – to be his first girlfriend.

To be the girl that calms the anger in him. Some fantasize about Rodger with Dylan Kleibold and Eric Harris of the Columbine shooting, positing that they could show him how to get women. Hybristerotica features two erotic “fan-fiction” pieces on Eliot Rodger, one written from his point of view, and another told from a woman’s point of view – In Come Over and Fuck Me, she imagines herself as his lifelong friend, unaware of his lust for her.

The erotica isn’t well-written, but that’s not the point. It doesn’t have to be. The very thought of fucking these dangerous men is what entraps the women participating on the hybristophilia tags on tumblr. The serial killer fandom and hybristophiliacs receive a lot of negative attention from other tumblr users, particularly those who enjoy true-crime but do not want to associate with people they feel fetishize and idolize murderers.

If you go through any of the popular hybristophilia tags you will see defenses of hybristophilia again and again. They insist they are not mocking the victims or supporting the crime, they respect the victims – they just also find themselves attracted to the murderer. The most interesting case is the group of young women obsessed with high-school shooter TJ Lane.

While his fans insist they respect the victims and the families of the victims they also praise him for wearing shirts that say ‘KILLER’ on them in court and pass around GIFs of him saying, to the parents of his victims, “The hand that pulled the trigger to kill your sons now masturbates to the memory. Fuck all of you,” while flipping them off.

They brand this as “sass” and tag photos of him with “the king of sass.” Almost all the memes, GIFs, and collages of TJ Lane involve that quote in whole or in part. They love him, in large part, because he was disrespectful to the families of his victims.

It seems the worse the offense, the more these women are drawn to them, the more violent the fantasy.Some hybristophiliacs claim that they are completely normal, one even citing her therapist in defense of her obsession with TJ Lane. Others claim it is no different from any other paraphilia (a condition in which a person’s sexual arousal and gratification depend on fantasizing about and engaging in sexual behavior that is atypical and extreme) and as such should be respected.

It is worth noting that pedophilia is the most common type of paraphilia and no one is suggesting we support pedophiles as normal – not even the hybristophiliacs that are into men who have abused children. The four most common types of paraphilia involve a dismissal of consent – pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, and frotteurism – the act of rubbing oneself on non-consenting persons.

Another fact worth considering in “respecting” hybristophiliacs as “normal” is that paraphilia often leads to sexual dysfunction – needing the thing they are attracted to for sexual gratification. If hybristophilia makes women who love serial killers unable to have healthy sex lives with men who don’t want to rape or kill them, I would dare say it isn’t normal. These observations aren’t meant as judgment on the hybristophilia communities, per se, but to be fair to them also means showing the side that doesn’t support their claims of normalcy.

So why do women want sociopaths? Why is a half decent face and a high body count a draw for them? Even Timothy McVeigh had entries under hybristophilia tags – there seems to be no limit. Some are purely sexual, some are borderline romantic, and some are downright disturbing given the men they are discussing. Here are a couple from the Jahar (Dzhokhar) Tsarnaev tag.

The deeper I got into the hybristophilia tags and websites the less sense it seemed to make. Going into this, I admit, I figured I would find a few groups of misfits that were still into Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez. Like many, I read the articles that came out showing that the Tsarnaevs, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza had attracted a female following – but most of the quoted content seemed to be “Oh he’s hot,” which can be an objective opinion—although most people have a harder time separating a person’s attractiveness from their actions.

TJ Lane at sentencing. “The hand that pulled the trigger that killed your sons now masturbates to the memory. Fuck all of you.”

The longing, claims of love, unending support and hero-worship definitely shook me. When I hit the graphic sex, I felt like I was spinning out. My brain can’t really make sense of it, especially in cases like that of TJ Lane, who is not only remorseless, but took such glee in rubbing his crimes in the faces of the families of those he killed.

I have always viewed Halloween, horror movies and books, and a fascination of the dark and disturbing a healthy reaction to a terrifying world. People study serial killers because we know that though they behave like monsters, they are human. By learning about them we gain knowledge and that helps us feel proactive and therefore, safe.

When we get into horror and the supernatural, it’s a terror we can control.

It’s a skull made of papier mache you can hold in your hand and know it’s not so bad. What’s disturbing about the hybristophiliacs on the internet, what is so unsettling, is that they’ve crossed the line somehow. They’ve gone beyond a desire to understand, beyond a fascination, and right into an uncontrolled obsession.

Phew, Okay gentleman, thats about all of the documentation i can handle for the moment. We will attack this more in depth later.

Always look to science & true philosophy, especially to understand sex differences. What is generally required to understand the female mind is a masculine mind because the female mind is mostly shameless – generally not self aware. Females’ narcissism is often mistaken for being “more introspective”. Most that is true about females has been written by males. The mainstream culture’s falsehood is inculcated by females. Don’t look for deep truth there or any practical idiot telling you “what you need to do” to “understand” females.

What ultimately led man to achievement today was not being physically stronger or meaner than all other animals. It wasn’t the testosterone laced risk-taking behavior that cost many men their lives. It was intelligence. Physically, we are one of the weakest animals on this planet. But intelligence allowed us to side-step biology. We didn’t have to be the strongest animal, we just needed to know how to kill the strongest animal in the most proficient way from a safe distance. And it was not just risk taking that allowed us to advance as a species, it was calculated risk. Being intelligent enough to know when and when not to take on those often fatal liabilities.

The whole “Alpha male” facade is just a ploy to commercialize the desire other males have who want to be like them that has been molded by bad logic of females. Just as females have an inherent drive to see themselves as valuable and males as disposable in contrast, some males desire to see themselves as the one who is different – one of the few males who females actually value. It is as instinctive to men as gynocentrism is to both men and women together. This is where the brutal “alpha” aesthetic comes from that tries to compensate for their lesser intelligence & lesser achievement by pretending he is special with less merit & acting meaner to boast “worthy” of the prized vagina. Because a man dominating others historically attracted women, that is what appeals to these males, & many powerful males are going to capitalize on this desire men have to be the “Alpha”. The source of this “alpha” attitude to be mean, subtly or explicitly, comes from the females’ position to select the tools. One instance of a female being attracted to a perceived “intruder” will only cause these “alpha” primitives to react meanly or skeptically – the de-valueing of another innocent male for “getting out of line”, which females often do as well if such a male offends her. This is sometimes referred to as a “sigma” male – a male who appears “alpha” momentarily because his approach from the “zeta” position that does not fit pronounces his image. Intelligent males are realizing this stupidity & they don’t want play the “tool” game that is set by her judgement anymore. They don’t want to expend energy catering to the female while she passively places her demands.

Males who think they are conquering something when they have lots of sex are really not because all they’re doing is promoting females’ egos & their traits. Females are only good for birth & related.

Since females are naturally collectivists, they’re not going to be attracted to, & often condemn as “gay”,”sexually insecure”, (Haha, 2 can play at that game: people are intellectually insecure.) or a “psycho with mother issues”, what p.u.a.s. shame, like those smart, “nerdy” guys, because those guys are often too smart to be ordained by females.

P.u.a.s. & the related like to believe that they are somehow in control but they’re really not. If you have to act a certain way to be approved, how are you in control? Being fake, flattering, &/or manipulating is often what constitutes as success with females. How is that not being like a female? These deluded gyno-centrists are not thinking clearly because they are allowing their rational to be tainted by being easily amused. We could be advancing scientifically & philosophically right now, but all the cheap people out there are holding it back.

Please both of you, all of you here, put signs on your head saying “women: please avoid me, for I am a woman-hating stupido”
This will allow actual women, not the ones in your twisted heads, to avoid you without having to take the trouble to speak to you.
Yrs, an intelligent woman married to a great, non-violent, rational man without the huge hangups you have.

♂ Rationalia, you misunderstand. Anyone who studies linguistics knows that words have multiple meanings. For example: The shift from alpha to theta brain-waves is violent & unpredictable. The fact that you are unable to grasp this abstraction proves how superficial you are, & only answers why it is that pulling from the latest head-line of “What Trump said today” will make you believe you know how reality works, yet you can’t even understand what’s so obvious. ¶ The only thing twisted here is how you’ve twisted/reversed definitions of personality disorders. You’re trying to turn it around & make us seem like the bad ones for “hating”, when, more accurately, we MISTRUST women.

♂ Most MGTOW minded males don’t care to get married anyway, not with the way females enjoy the corrupt system. It takes a great deal of narcissism – obvious female nature, which even ignorant men intuit, hence no citations needed – to believe that others should stop or slow productivity – an obvious masculine trait – for what females think as themselves as the ultimate, when there’s much more serious phenomena. Life is not supposed to be a fun-house, making apathy, naivety, “gluttony”, etc. – the way men become for the female herd. ♂

The whole “alpha” aesthetic is also mostly determined by hormonal rating while disregarding the neuro-scientific factor; what constitutes as “hypermasculinity” is reactive males sexually to females. High testosterone levels signify higher sexual desire & impulsivity. Because females essentially define masculinity by their own sexuality, quite an immature sexuality, actually, we have only this archetype that isn’t based on a realistic science, but just by females’ desires. It’s just an aesthetic. There’s much more complications in terms of what defines hypermasculinity, not just hormones.

♂ Search for this idiot named G.G. Allin. That guy got females instantly. ¶ A lot of m.g.t.o.w. don’t understand, whcih I’ve stated it before, is that it doesn’t necessarily correlate to a symbol of protection & provision. Many females are drawn to the phenomena of stockholme syndrome simply for novelty. In fact, many women actually leave productive, logical males because they DON’T cause commotion, they don’t argue, etc.. ♂

♂ The next one should be something like: ‘The Female Attraction To Retards.’ To paraphrase the great mathematical genius Christopher Langdon, almost in league with the legendary, & celibate, William Sidis, The people who are running our social-political & economical structure are dunces – people who don’t have a clue. Many of them are called c.e.o.s. Not to connote Lord-Of-The-Rings, considering that females see these top cliques that isn’t even realistically attainable, as they are accepting the next kenghis Khan to replace, you have to realize that these unattainable cliques entails the females’ have absurd fantasies. Kenghis Khan was like this bad “needle in a haystack” that females are just dreaming about while she gets to loot these other males. ♂

The interesting thing I’ve noticed about this phenomena of hybristophilia/Stockholm Syndrome being much more common to female nature is that it also, since hybristophilia, etc., is a spectrum of female psyche., discloses society for what it is. Case, I was harassed & banned from a shopping center because i dared approached a female that didn’t like me. The “patriarchy” is a product of the hybristophilia.

“It’s a chance for a woman to be in control” More excuses for female behavior. One thing we will never hear in any media is that perhaps, the women who keep going back to their abusers… enjoy it.

Christy Mack is the perfect hybristophiliac right up to the “Property of War Machine” iron branding tattoo. As soon as she recieved his violence in a manner other then her choosing it became attempted murder.

♂ The common reply to all this would be: “Not all women are like that.” Firstly, doesn’t concern them then. Secondly MOST of them are the like that of some percentage from extreme, moderate, to subtle. What people tend to completely misunderstand is the multiple meanings. Violence also has more than one definition. ♂

anyways, something vaguely related, but if anyone is smart enough to articulate the connection I think it will be Mr. Barbarrossa…

PUA scammers like Heartiste and Roosh are obsessed with berating other men, in fact their shitty blogs are long racist rants against lower status men. I think this is because they know the “game” they peddle is bogus but if they cut down enough of their competition and there is a veiled threat of violence, it’ll get them some pussy.

P.U.A.s & related are just too stupid & cowardly to hate what they should hate. They internalize the frustration they have from what they seek – females, & rather then understanding the source of their frustration, they replace it onto mostly other males by calling them “gay”, “virgins”, etc., or it often “leaks” out in sado.-masochistic sex acts.

Similarly, we know that many men enjoy dominatrix sex, and that many white men have a fetish to see their wives violated by black men.

Cleay, this tells us something about the male psyche at large. All men to some degree wish to be dominated by women, even if not entirely, and clearly all men enjoy being cuckilded by other men.

Think back to ancient times. In the egalitarian social structures of hunter gatherers, men knew they must alow women to dominate them in order to have access to reproduction, and to foment bonding in the tribe men understood the value of sharing women with other men.

Today, a residue of that is still at work when we see modern men enjoying cuckold porn and dominatrix situations.

♂ & to reply again, female sexuality is so saturated in society that we can’t even pause to analyze it. Therefore, because males have a natural tendency to just fix things, they adopt incorporation ofexcessive aggression into sexuality by instinct. ♂

Care to have any input as to why these things happen then? I think evo psyche is a good model for why things occur. Since ive learnt about it, I have made predictions about relationships with people I know with great success. And it also gives me a model to understand why certain things happen. Granted, I am open to it being a bad model and perhaps my perseption is flawed.

Actually, males being aroused by the fantasies you explained are a minority case. Male sexuality is much more fetishistic – involving body parts/object. In contrast: female sexuality is rampant with simulation. The smaller percentage who do enjoy the sexuality you refer only do so in a much more indifferent mode. They are not buying books about it. They think: “Well, a bitchy hot woman being sexual. Cool.”

All women are attracted to violent men, they only vary on the level of violence. They were multiple occasions in school were female classmates showed romantic interest in me but ended when they saw me get beaten up in front of them. After the assault they longer wanted to hug me, kiss me or even sit next to me and stopped displaying all indicators of interest bullies were the biggest cockblocks.

There was documentary on NatGeo were a man who was 7 foot goes into a bar and simply takes other mens drinks and no man stood up to him except one who was with a woman and before he reached out and took the drink from the 7 foot giant he paused, looked at the woman he was with who was starring to see how he would react. All men know deep down women are attracted to a) violent men or b) men who aren’t violent BUT have a the capabilities to do a lot of damage of they chose.

“All men know deep down women are attracted to a) violent men or b) men who aren’t violent …………………” The truth is that females actually have a dichotmous preference. So called “betas” – doctors, etc., that they are in relationships simply to USE, but the one she really wants to love is the “ex-convict”. Just because you can observe, that does not entail complete truth. What matters about the human female is what is latent. Even the book ‘The Female Brain’ explains this. I’m not a huge supporter of the author of that book, but it does give realism.

I strongly disagree with that statement. Perhaps you meant “many” instead of all?

I know for myself, seeing a chick in a pen day something like “you’re so much better at giving me than my husband” is a HUGE boner killer. The same goes for any of the humiliation acts that a dom (male or female) engage in. I can get over it if the chick is hot enough and if they quickly move on to actually having sex, but humiliation and inflicting pain is a huge turnoff for me.

@Barbarossa

I had never heard of Hybristophilia before, thanks for the post -there is definitely a lot of food for thought.

I find it incredibly disturbing to find that there are women infatuated with Elliott Roger as a result of his spree. Particularly because that, to a small degree, actually validates some of his claims.

Please note that I do NOT condone his actions, nor do I wish for anyone to repeat them. I’m just merely noting that despite so many claiming that his actions would fail to attract women (PUAs, feminists, tradcons, white knights), the truth is that they did, albeit a minority of women. I’m a strong believer in facing hard truths rather than trying to sweep them under the rug.

What is alarming about the human female is not what is necessarily observable, but what is latent. Considering that this is just one aspect of female nature, imagine what is not revealed. Understand how many females “came out of the closet” when ’50 Shades Of Female Depravity’ became more popular.

Most females can’t rate intelligence because they are not familiar with intelligence. They are familiar with the sly. Sly & intelligence are not the same. Females are only occassionally acquainted with intelligence when they are using it for practical ends. In the same way that some will state womanizers who use women are misogynists, most women are misandric of real masculinity by way of how they use intelligent males with no real respect. Females’ lack of abstract aptitude unfortunately designates misconceptions & poor engagement.

Just like how the politically inclined deludes itself by reducing much to left-vs.-right in order to try to make sense out of what is too mysterious to them, simplistic & meager categories predicated by feminine collectivism & subjective extrapolation of masculinity & femininity simply defined as active-or-passive, shy-or-confident, prude-or-obtaining, dom.-or-sub., gentle-or-intense, etc., is, to be thorough again, highly misleading & not even accurate. The only accurate binary conclusion in this context is actually logic-or-energy. Energy as masculine & logic as feminine. I’m being sarcastic with the previous sentence.

The dichotomy of beta-or-alpha is farcical considering that it was “beta” males who were the ones who established most of what is important & functional. “Betas” gave “alphas” language, condoms, etc.. We fucking created you. This means that “beta” males are truly alpha because they are the ultimate mastering force, but the abuse by females of “beta” males in conjunction to their immature sexuality & collectivism – attraction to males that mimic them – creates wrong answers. “Beta” males truly dominate society & harness nature. They are unemotionally detached. They are the true, ultimate meaning of masculinity. The only thing they tend to not dominate is the arena of sex, & so females don’t regard them highly.

As I explained how females’ lack of abstract aptitude indoctrinates faulty, simplistic categories, often binary, such as: mother-issues-or-not, gay-or-straight, etc., females also don’t know how sex works, as indicated in their rampant fascination with b.d.s.m. & other digressions they favor to try to make themselves believe they are central – expressing the extra journeys & trinkets they think “should” be given to them, or the frequent tiresome restraining they demand, which is due to their, historically, willingness to be mesmerized by males who have a characteristic that is strongly influenced by femininity & tendency to mimic it. The only reason many males share similar sexual interests is because they are addicted to pleasure & have not had the opportunity to be conclusive – they have not fought off the mental sickness that accompanies such sexuality. Females’ natural tendency to make themselves central ingrains their preferences & traits. Females are anti-science/anti-logic/anti-masculine, so society is “emasculated.”

You would think that females would be more attracted to this rarity of genius males who, in an evolutionary psychological context, would’ve cultivated their own gardens & better means of attaining food as sort of like a gem or an exotic species, but the truth is that females would’ve chosen the hustled journeys & commotion. This is an instinct, & instincts are emphasized more by females, that is no longer suited for the present & future. Femininity represents the past & the feral. Masculinity represents the future & progress. Females should not be allowed to exorcise their entertainment desires because it has dire consequences, consequences that saturates so much we can’t even pause to analyze it, in society. If female psyche & sexuality makes them bored, shamed, or in some other way dissatisfied, secretly or obviously, as shown in many long, spanned divorces with their ungratefulness, with serious, rational, better males, I would dare blame that female sexuality & psychology is unhealthy & a major onus to the functionality of society.

To use a commonly misunderstood reoocurance that will be more recognizable to explicate how such innacurate binary categories manifest by derivation from anti-science/lack of abstract reasoning: The archetypal “Nerdy” male wants it, especially due to repression, but they sense or speculate something is wrong, so they usually gain some kind of anxiety/neurotic disorder due to the inhibition & tension due to dualistic “tearing”, then female observers superficially just label “awkward”, etc..

One of the most common retorts is: “Stop being afraid of your penis. Females are desirous of surrendering to you.” “Do you even realize how easy it is to attain a female sexual partner?”, etc., etc.. Sure, it’s easy to attain such, but this is what they disregard: It’s MAINTAINING it that is burdensome. Like caring after a child & not getting paid for it, other than with sex & affection, which will eventually wane.

Sure, males have made some blunders throughout history, but that’s just a natural extra product of leading. We would have made far less mistakes if females didn’t have as much influence in terms of selection.

It’s quite important for everyone to understand how women are drawn to these feared men, and consequently fall in love with the idea of wielding violence by proxy, so that perhaps some day there can be a proper reform of the legal system that will judge the women who direct violence with the same harshness that the men who commit it, receive.

Those of you that were around during the 90’s will certainly remember when Tonya Harding had her ex-husband and her bodyguard cripple her rival, Nancy Kerrigan. The result: the men involved were locked up, but Harding dodged that bullet.

They would say that rape is not about sex, not of pleasure, but for power. In here lies a truth, but a reversed truth. Male sexuality is painted as power because power is the core of female sexuality. For the female, the power dynamic is the essential part of sexuality.

It is not power static, but power dynamic, the flow of dominance between bodies descending into flesh, the disappearance of consciousness. The more dominant, violent and oppressive, the more power potential the man represents. The male sexual climax constitute the reversal, even revolution, of power. Climax is the loss of control, when a controlling man climax, all the power is transferred to the source of that reversal, the female flesh itself.

When they say that All Men are Rapists, I say, Wishful Thinking. It ain’t me babe. All Men are Rapists are not a statement of fact, but of longing, even demanding. It holds the promise of the reversal of power, through the male climax. But I am not a rapist. I do not long for the climax, I enjoy most of all everything that comes before. The dynamic and the play.

When the male climax, he lose himself, he returns to flesh for a few seconds, enough for the female to experience a reversal of the power relation. To leave a woman unsatisfied, is to deprive her of that reversal. Deny a woman the male climax, and this will leave her more unsatisfied than anything else. Worse than rape.

This is absolutely 100% accurate. In other words: females claim to want a guy to be angry or “stand up for himself”, but this is simply not true in the context that it would be translated to masculine context. Females don’t speak the same language as males do. They’ve even done scientific studies to confirm this that females speak a diffusive, approximate, subjective version, while males speak minimally, tersely, & much more literally. Females only want males to get angry at them in a sexual way. You can’t actually get angry at females in a healthy way. They prefer that you get angry at them in a sexual way because that anger that would otherwise be transferred to analyzing what & who she truly is instead gets thwarted to cessation of rational thought. That’s why the rape fantasy, etc., is so popular with females – it ensures that that sexuality would never bring critical analysis of her that would take away her power.

♂ Not always well known: Very similar to how predator-&-prey attitudes operate in prisons – that one most show he will not be taunted in order to earn respect, females are the most prominent holders of this attitude in less explicate levels. ♂

Of course, females naturally feed off of histrionics. I hate to reuse this again repeatedly, but fuck it, it’s due tot the climate we live in: Why do you think ’50 Shades of Grey’ is so popular with females, & why females deflect males that try to use civility with them, ranging from “gay”, “mother issues”, “can’t get laid,” etc.? ¶ The study of lesbian relationships failing & being more chaotic is not precise, however, it is a SPECTRUM, just like this post is, of female nature. Females are receptive to histrionics, & that’s why they’re anti-science, in a broad sense, that is. ¶ Just an anecdote, but………: The number one reason why females would tell me they watched soap operas when I was growing was because there was always one hot-headed main male character that restrained the drama that females caused. The “abuse” that females crave is started by females abusing relationships, & so society has adopted this idiotic “you have to be alpha, bro” mentality because they purged their ideals to be accepted by female hood. Fucking traitors.

What you describe is inner city life where pretty much only the D/F student boys become baby daddies. In addition, you also see the girls sleeping with their boyfriend’s friends to create conflict. The reason that you see this so clearly in the inner cities is because inner city women have little concern for finding a man to provide for them. They are free to unleash their primal biological impulses.

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I like to look at human beings from attachment first before evo-psych leaning concepts. So to me, this attraction to violence might primarily be the result of extreme avoidance from past social trauma. Assuming most of these women are single, they have some kind of present incapacity to find a more normal man, so they are essentially looking for a man who can protect them from the negative future they project for themselves, based on the negative platonic and/or romantic relationships in their past– most specifically the relationships they had with the most emotional depth. And this negative future that has repeatedly happened to them, is not only the result of past social trauma, but its formation of their personality– both of which cause a perpetual feedback loop if they don’t have a positive relationship with one or more people, or their environment, in such a way as to cause a positive identity shift. I’m not saying nature or genetics has nothing to do with it, but I’d be surprised if it was the primary factor. For instance, two identical twins can be radically different depending on their lives. So to me, the majority of these women could potentially be the result of broken families, but are likely the result of broken, meaningful relationships.

Great post. Perhaps this provide us all an entirely different perspective to that favorite longing female phrase of
Mister “tall, DARK and handsome”.
By “Dark” they never meant in the context of brunette or black hair, or a high melanin count.
They meant “dark” in the context of mysterious, dangerous, villainous, wicked, malevolent and heinous.
Who knew these were the actual attractive attributes?

Also, the Johnny Depp/Amanda Heard affair recently reflects the underlying motive of these gold diggers. I suspect she was coached and encouraged by them, since she gave the lion’s share of the $7 million settlement to feminist groups.

Yep, harmless guys are “creepy” & nice-guys are either “pathetic” or useful. That’s female “logic”. ¶ Don’t forget that the female m.r.a.s see all of this knowledge as just mostly entertainment. Very similar actually to hybristophilia, & they do some public activism because it’s just “the thing to do.”

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