Details regarding first trip to Stuttgart

To the question as to why Hans Scholl would turn precisely to me to receive money for his seditious actions: I can only reply that he probably received the tip from Robert Scholl, that is, from Hans Scholl’s father, since I had deputized for him. Hans Scholl expressed himself so clearly during his first visit that I could imagine both of them [Note 1] working to overthrow [the government].

I do not know exactly what was said at that time. I now can see that it would have been most correct if I had shown both of them the door. I also know that I was duty-bound to report them [to the Gestapo]. …

During the first visit, Hans Scholl caused me to have second thoughts about giving them money, because they were talking about instigating a putsch in Munich.

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Note 1: Unclear from context whether “both of them” refers to Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell, or Hans Scholl and his father Robert Scholl. Because of continued use of “both of them” in following paragraphs, where Grimminger clearly refers to Hans and Alex, it is likely that duo.