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Comment by Wella

Seems like the sort of talent that will become more noticeable the longer a fight goes on for. If the proc rate is as low as nikespawn suggests, it won't be a match for Ancestral Swiftness or Elemental Mastery for PvP, even for Elemental: proccing a double Lava Burst might be nice, but not if it only happens once in a blue moon. I was hoping this might proc a bit more often and off things like Static Shock for Enha, though, to add a reasonable amount of burst.

Comment by rodalpho

The devs told us exactly how Echo of the Elements works at the link below.

Elemental Blast was too weak, so we increased its damage and stat effects by roughly 17%, but reduced its proc chance with Echo of the Elements to 6% for Enhancement (previously it had a 30% chance to trigger an Echo for Enhancement, which made that talent pair too strong).

Comment by KeleturShask

Being 30% to proc for Enhancement, this may be the go-to talent for PvP (as it's effectively a 30% healing increase, though random).

Comment by Alnair

This synergizes with the Elemental Overload mastery. in other words:

Echoes can Overload, and Overloads can Echo

but there is a tiny little intenal cooldown which means that:Echoes cannot echo themselves, and Overloads cannot overload themselves.and the Echoes of Overloads cannot overload, and the Overloads of Echoes cannot echo.

otherwise you could potentially get an 'Echo Bomb' which would be like the old 'Seal of Truth' bug back in February of 2012.

Comment by Dalent

Has it been determined if, when healing, it duplicates the heal onto the same target or a different target? Can Healing Rain Echo? And how does it get logged in chats/Recount? Instant-cast Pyroblast from Hot Streak on Mages used to be Pyroblast! instead of Pyroblast, as example.

Comment by Sacrosterion

Enhancement shaman. I went to a target dummy with my Elemental Mastery. Started my routine and 10 seconds in I activated Elemental mastery. When it expired I got 11327 DPS.

I changed my talent to Echo of the Elements. After 30 seconds, my DPS was 12572.

Echo of the Elements is better for Enhancement shaman's. You might think you'll be missing out on melee swings, but unless you hard capped hit rating, that doesn't really matter much.

Comment by Cloudburst

If you're combining with Charred Glyph, note that the glyph's bonus to healing will only apply to the first heal. That is to say, if you pop a MW5 Healing Surge and it echoes, the first heal will gain the bonus 100% from the glyph, while the secondary echo will not.

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Comment by Finduilas

For Elemental shaman's among usI just leveled my Goblin Shaman to level 60. I chose Echo of elements as talent. I thought it would be nice to do some extra damage from time to time and I didn't found much about it for the elemental spec, so i wanted to test it.For all players who are excited to finally pick the talent, I think I have to disappoint you all. I've been playing with Echo of elements for 50 min now and didn't notice a single duplication of my spells. I was questing in Hellfire and killing a whole range of monsters: beasts, humanoids, demons... No difference.I tried several times to kill monsters using only one spell, but didn't got a duplication either. I can also say I killed some 80-100 monsters.

I don't now if it will get better when you get to higher level, but for now I strongly discourage to choose the talent with a elemental Shaman. This was playing in patch 5.0.5 (MoP). Maybe someone else can give some info about this?

Comment by Thunderbull

The most important info about this talent is proc rate and dps increase.

This is best talent in tier for dps, which usefillness is increasing with ilvl increasing, while ele.mastery haste bonus is lower.Ancestral Swiftness is better for resto shammys because they need to fix some troubles in one second :)

Comment by ElZombo

As a Resto-Schaman I feel strangely attracted by this talent... All guides normally recommend 5% haste, with good reason, or your personal mini-heroism. Echo is just to random. But still... it makes the glyphed CH up to 24% more awesome. It seems each CH-hit will receive the 6% chance of an echo, which in turn can hit up to four targets again. Not only does it look good, it's quite the smart group heal.

Comment by sandreid87

Reading the PTR notes for patch 5.4 today:Echo of the Elements' spell duplication effect can no longer occur more than once every 4 seconds when used against hostile players, and their pets or guardians.

Comment by rcooper12

By looking at those previous posts, proc for resto shaman seems very low, so seems like Elemental Mastery is what should be picked at level 60?

Comment by heartlessnobody

Your spells and abilities have a chance to trigger Echo of the Elements.

Echo of the Elements causes your next short cooldown spell or ability

ElementalLava Burst, Shock, or Earthquake

EnhancementLava Lash, Stormstrike, Shock, or Fire Nova

RestorationRiptide, Healing Rain, Purify Spirit

to not incur its cooldown.

ah makes it rather gimped

Comment by Alnair

Does any spell or ability proc EotE?

Does it reset the cooldown of the named spells, or just give you a buff that prevents the next cast of the named spell from incurring its cooldown?

Does the UI light up the named spells in your action bar to remind you that they now benefit from the effect?

Is there any other UI effect?

How long do you have to consume the effect before it expires? (i.e. does the buff expire...?)

Can, forexample, an echo'd Lava Burst proc another Echo?

Comment by olteonz

...or Fire Nova

Oh god...

Comment by binkenstein

On the question of whether Echo scales with haste:

It's 1.5*Haste RPPM. It did not have unlucky streak prevention, which I just fixed (it now does, in next next build). Source

Comment by my1if34wow

As of 6.0.2, this Talent has been seriously nerfed to the ground, especially for Elemental Shamans.

Lava Burst - Useless during Ascendance.Frost Shock - Outside of PvP, I wouldn't use this Spell.Earthquake - Confirmed that casting a 2nd Earthquake will make the first one do no damage. However, the animations for both will still show.

Also note that if any of the mentioned Spells are on CD before this Talent Procs, it will not reset their CD.

Comment by Restosham4

This is amazing for PvP Resto Shamans. First cool fact about it is that it has a 100% chance proc rate with a 20 second internal cooldown, meaning you can easily track this and choose when/what to use it on.

This is pre WoD release so it might change, but right now the initial hit of riptide hits really hard, and the heal from the dispel glyph hits about as hard. Add that to the fact that dispelling will get a versatility buff puts this in as a legit heal source. Meaning using it on any targeting for the healing/buff as long as there is something to dispel.

Another cool thing is that you can cast unleash life while in ghost wolf. Pre WoD ghost wolf and unleash frost stacked for movement speed. So with an echo of elements proc on unleash life you can potentially double unleash life for a total of 8 seconds of super ghost wolf speed!

Comment by Ordayc

Some clarifications for the WoD version:

For elemental shaman, EotE triggers from some spells that usally do not proc similar effects. It is even procced by Lightning Shield hits and Ghost Wolf casts.

A spell cast under the effect of EotE can trigger another EotE.

When this procs, no cooldowns are reset. Instead, you get a buff that lasts for 20 secs. The next time you cast one of the listed spells, that spell will not incur a cooldown, but the buff will be consumed in the process.

The buff does not have any charges, so if anything triggers it while it is already active, the duration of the previous buff will simply be reset.

In the standard UI, a special effect will display while buffed.

Comment by rodalpho

Echo of the Elements sims poorly in sustained DPS, and indeed it is a weak choice on boss fights.

It's on the RPPM system, proccing at 3.75*haste RPPM. This means that when leveling, soloing, PvP, and between pulls in a group setting it will essentially proc right at the start of every single fight.

Long story short-- don't take it for raiding, take it everywhere else.