Comments about ‘In our opinion: Shutdown ignores the larger problems’

Okay, just what does the Deseret News suggest? Do we cave in to Obama's
ObamaCare? Do we let the government take another 18% to 25% of our wages and
spend it on pork instead of putting it a "locked box" that can only be
used for medical payments? Do we let yet another Ponzi scheme destroy our
ability to save for retirement?

Social Security is broke, but the
people who contributed 15% of their income had no ability to save money for
their retirement. Do we let the government take another 18% to 25%? Have we
learned nothing? Are we going to let liars pick our pockets?

Those
who believe that the Constitution allows the government to tax us for personal
welfare have not read the Constitution. Even if cowardly judges tell us that
ObamaCare is "just" a tax and that Congress has the authority to levy
taxes, we, who have read the Constitution, know that Congress has been assigned
17 duties for which they can tax us. Health care is not on that list.

The House has passed its budget. They should hold the line as long as
it takes.

"America has a spending problem, and as long as that problem remains, it
will have a revenue problem, as well. " Why don't you at the D-News do
an historical analysis of how we reached our current situation. If you did so
you would find that high end personal income tax cuts and corporate tax cuts led
the current deficit. So revenue is the problem. The next problem was the
collapse of Wall Street which the common people did not create, leading to lower
incomes and lower tax receipts, compounding the revenue problem. Our problems
are mostly revenue based. But you just can't shed your three piece suit
view of the world - as far as you are concerned it is always the little people
who are at fault and who must be punished.

I don't know what editor Paul Edwards et al have against the tea party, who
they put at the head of a list of implied irresponsibles, and seniors who are on
fixed incomes eroded by gov. spending and most vulnerable to new massive
expenditures and the accompanying inflation.

Despite the campaign
of the print media generally the shut down DOES have immense significance.

It is the people saying LISTEN to us. We DON'T want national
health.

This insistence on being heard and respected happens so
rarely and impresses itself so rarely on Congress that it is of major
significance in and of itself. Imo this protest will also succeed

So long as mega-huge Corporations pay no taxes and receive Trillions in
hand-outs and subsides, So long as Republicans can wage un-funded wars in
the Middle East for Oil, So long as Tea-Partiers can hold the entire
country hostage over laws that have passed the Congress, Executive and Supreme
Court branches of Government.

They
portray us as parasites sucking the lifeblood of the nation. In fact, most of
the 47% are Americans who have served their nation, their communities, and their
neighbors well and faithfully throughout our lives.

May I submit that
the real parasites are those at the top? Those who have sucked a huge
percentage of the nation's economy into their offshore tax havens? Those
who may use their enormous wealth to literally purchase the services and loyalty
of Congress?

Gadianton is alive and well. He lives in some big
buildings along a street named Wall.

And he has managed, through
clever, diabolical propaganda, to fool many of our neighbors into believing he
is our savior.

I agree 100%. The media is totally focused on this relatively impact-less
government shutdown... and totally ignoring looming problems.

It's like continuously interviewing people about the crack in the
sidewalk while the whole city is on fire behind the camera man focusing on the
crack.

Republicans are guilty of it too. Focusing on ObamaCare when
it doesn't really matter if we continue this debt fueled death spiral as a
Nation.

And Democrats, what good is ObamaCare if our government is
bankrupt and no matter how hard the people work, and not matter how much they
are taxed... we can't pay our debts?

We are at that tipping
point where our debt-to-GDP ratio is 100%.... but media and politicians
don't care... They just want us to ignore it and keep plowing blindly ahead
into MORE debt!

Verbatim From Wikipedia:In economics, the
debt-to-GDP ratio is one of the indicators of the health of an economy. It is
the amount of national debt of a country as a percentage of its gross domestic
product (GDP)... In 2011 United States public debt-to-GDP ratio was about
100%.

If polticians would stop stealing from social security then we wouldn't
have a problem. But the true problem is our politicians are cowards. Rather than
taxing us at we need to be taxed at to sustain our government operations, they
are always trying to find ways to hide what it really would cost us taxpayers.

It is easy to lower taxes but steal from the social security trust
fund.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but your
interpretation of the Constitution simply does not matter. It isn't worth
the digital ink it is written with. It's moot.

On the other
hand, the Constitutional interpretation of those nine so-called "cowardly
judges", as you so contemptuously put it, is ultimately the only one that
matters, as theirs is the only interpretation that has any real-world
efficacy.

You are certainly free to preach your "strict
constructionist/17 enumerated powers" dogma and revile against broad
permissive use of the "necessary and proper" clause, commerce clause,
Preamble provisions, and other parts of the Constitution outside of Article I
Section 8 until you are blue in the face if you'd like, but unless you can
get yourself appointed to SCOTUS (not likely), it's irrelevant.

So . . . since the Supreme Court ruled that the funding mechanism for the
Affordable Care Act was Constitutional, and were otherwise silent regarding the
ACA, it stands as the law of the land, until such time as it is repealed through
act of Congress. This attempt to “monkey-wrench” the law through
defunding and extortion is the truly “cowardly” act.

dalefarr,Re: "As usual the D-News fails to mention needed cuts in
military spending"

What "Needed" military spending
cuts?---

We already had severe almost crippling cuts to Defense
in the Sequester that were designed by Democrats to be so severe that
Republicans would do ANYTHING to prevent them from occurring. And yet... they
allowed them to occur. (Obama's calculation was wrong)

So on top
of those budget cuts... we need even MORE?

How far would YOU cut
military spending?

Do you agree that we even need a military?

Maybe one that just can't pay it's soldiers would make you
happy? Or one that's very small. Small enough that they can't
respond if North Korea, Russia, or Iran decides the US has no military deterrent
and they can just threaten to use their Nukes and nothing will happen?

You seem to have a problem with the military. Do ALL Democrats hate the
military?

Military spending cuts may be a good thing. But I really
don't think they are the big problem being ignored while the media focuses
on this silly Government shutdown.

Just imagine if you had a shutdown and nobody cared! At least right now we are
not going further in debt. And to those who make up stuff just so it sounds
good or to justify their position, just remember that most of us are just trying
to have a good life. For every rich perso or every greedy corporation or those
who cheat, 95% of us never did anything so quit trying to blame the so called
rich guy that prevented all of us from getting what we deserve.