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And if you put an aftermarket system on a crap it's still crap. Once again, no exhaust is going to turn a four cylinder into a V8 and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Autobahn335i

Yes it can sound great with an Akrapovic or other exhaust, but what's the point of comparing that to a stock/development stage F82 exhaust?

It sounds great with an exhaust available from the factory. The point is showing how the new engine design simply won't hold a candle in a certain aspect to the past engine designs. There are pluses and negative. You can blindly praise M if you want.

Not my point but your the one that posted a car with a aftermarket exhaust so ....really, it's your point

Um no I posted a compilation video and it isn't my fault one doesn't exist for the upcoming M3 since it isn't on the market. Go ahead, post one and balance it out.

Secondly, another video is posted of the M3 with the optional factory exhaust system. Let me guess, you're going to reach now and say the F80 would sound just as good if it got an optional system? How far you going to reach before it clicks nothing can be done, nothing, to change the design of the motor and the associated sound quality and potential due to the design?

Well the sound doesn't really matter all that much to me so I don't really care, if it sounds decent and is a lot faster than the e9x, I'm happy. Right now, without a supercharger, the m isn't fast enough for me, this new car will take care of that problem. If it sounds worse, so be it, that's a trade off of a tt 6 cylinder I'm willing to accept.

Well the sound doesn't really matter all that much to me so I don't really care, if it sounds decent and is a lot faster than the e9x, I'm happy. Right now, without a supercharger, the m isn't fast enough for me, this new car will take care of that problem. If it sounds worse, so be it, that's a trade off of a tt 6 cylinder I'm willing to accept.

So what's the struggle in admitting it won't sound as good? Not even nearly as good?

How fast do you expect the new M to be exactly? The F10 M5 isn't fast enough for me and it will be faster than the new M3. So I mean, what is fast enough for you? And the M3 with bolt ons is plenty fast. Is your current car 'fast' enough?

Yes, there are tradeoffs. Sound, heat, weight distribution, weight of the motor itself, reliability, there's all kinds of things. It goes both ways. I don't understand the resistance to accepting that.

If they sounded 'good' BMW would not be revising the exhaust system and they would never have bothered with synthetic engine sounds.

The "synthetic engine sounds" you're talking about are authentic S63 Tu engine tones/sounds, but because it's so quiet the pump the engine noise back into the cabin. If you got an aftermarket exhaust, it'd be much more louder, noticeable & acoustically pleasing..... Just like an E9x m3

Originally Posted by Sticky

There are turbo motors that sound good. The M838T sounds amazing, wonder if anyone can guess why?

It's a flat-plane, race inspired V8.... That probably cost as much as an M3. And just like the V12-TT in the Huayra, McLaren probably spent a TON of time and money on finding out how they could keep road legal emissions & offer an acoustically pleasing exhaust note because their customers are paying somewhere between $225k (McLaren) and $1.3 Million (Pagani)

Go to 7:20 -- That's just how much work went into the exhaust; BMW will NEVER go to these lengths because they're not selling $1 million+ cars. The Koenigsegg Agera is another turbo'd car I'd say has a good sound exhaust note, but once again that's a $1 million+ car that's had some incredible, non-conventional technology being implemented in it.

Well the sound doesn't really matter all that much to me so I don't really care, if it sounds decent and is a lot faster than the e9x, I'm happy. Right now, without a supercharger, the m isn't fast enough for me, this new car will take care of that problem. If it sounds worse, so be it, that's a trade off of a tt 6 cylinder I'm willing to accept.

This is really the argument.. how much faster will it be, how much more backing will it have now from aftermarket. I still dont like any non V8+ bmw exhaust, or motor for that matter, but will the power achieved in 2014-2016 on the new M4 outweight what i have now.. I seriously doubt it as i dont even like the look of it yet. for me, it needs an easily achievable and reliable 600+ for me to swap at this point, there is nothing I dont love about my car as it sits now.. besides a few minor appearance personalizations

You enjoy your slow heavy car. If you wanted a faster and lighter plus higher revving car and enjoyed driving you would get the M3. Take a look at my sig. You were saying something about being slow? That would be what you currently drive. Which will never get close. Neither will a Maserati.

Obviously I wasn't talking about an M3 with a blower on it like you have. I was talking about a stock M3 and they are slow. Just like the Maser, but the Maser sounds way better.

Point is I wouldn't want a slow V8 car without torque like the M3. Nor a slow V8 car where someone slammed on a blower to make it faster and which will disintegrate once I drive it for 15 minutes on the Autobahn.

So what's the struggle in admitting it won't sound as good? Not even nearly as good?

How fast do you expect the new M to be exactly? The F10 M5 isn't fast enough for me and it will be faster than the new M3. So I mean, what is fast enough for you? And the M3 with bolt ons is plenty fast. Is your current car 'fast' enough?

Yes, there are tradeoffs. Sound, heat, weight distribution, weight of the motor itself, reliability, there's all kinds of things. It goes both ways. I don't understand the resistance to accepting that.

It won't sound the same and maybe not as good, but I don't care.

My car isn't fast enough for me ATM, it was but I grew bored so I ordered vtt's.

I'm thinking the new m should be 3.9-4.0 0-60 and 11.9-12.2 1/4....stock, which IMO will be fast enough for BMW to compete.

You mentioned a FBO m3, I'm talking stock. Throw a tune on the new m and watch out.

I read a recent article where BMW said the new m2 will definitely be faster than the 1m, so naturally the new m3/m4 will be even quicker.

This is really the argument.. how much faster will it be, how much more backing will it have now from aftermarket. I still dont like any non V8+ bmw exhaust, or motor for that matter, but will the power achieved in 2014-2016 on the new M4 outweight what i have now.. I seriously doubt it as i dont even like the look of it yet. for me, it needs an easily achievable and reliable 600+ for me to swap at this point, there is nothing I dont love about my car as it sits now.. besides a few minor appearance personalizations

LM, I love your car,ill buy it from you when you move onto this Attachment 31870

This was a awful comparison. Wait until there is a proper sound capture and compare it stock for stock. If we want to use modded exhaust, a N54 with the HPF system sounds like a $#@!ing race car. But thats not stock

(personally) I don't give a $#@! what the car sounds like, as long as it is a great car, drives well, has good power, I can change the sound later with other exhaust if i want.