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Re: Chris Christie

But the irony of Roberts endorsing the law for the entire country is, he's exempt from it. He doesn't participate at all and Congress is exempt too. Roberts gets a fed plan just like I do.

Paul wants to make it so that all feds have to participate
in it..

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I’m not excited about doing that to staff or federal employees,” Paul replied. “But if the president thinks ObamaCare is a good idea, and if John Roberts thinks he can twist the Constitution and make ObamaCare constitutional, he ought to get it."
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Re: Chris Christie

Christie is a RINO? He definitely isn't a Dem lol. With a national electorate getting younger, socially more liberal (but fiscally conservative), and more Hispanic I don't see the GOP winning states like VA, OH, CO, PA, or FL with guys like Rand, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, or Perry unless they moderate some of their stances a little bit. I can see the GOP getting the Senate back based on the ACA mess but that's about it if they want to shut out guys like Christie and Ben Carson...

Re: Chris Christie

Originally Posted by kojo

Christie is a RINO? He definitely isn't a Dem lol. With a national electorate getting younger, socially more liberal (but fiscally conservative), and more Hispanic I don't see the GOP winning states like VA, OH, CO, PA, or FL with guys like Rand, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, or Perry unless they moderate some of their stances a little bit. I can see the GOP getting the Senate back based on the ACA mess but that's about it if they want to shut out guys like Christie and Ben Carson...

This same refrain has been said since the 60's.

What it fails to properly observe is many liberals move right the older they get.

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Houston, look at the recent demographics and the GOP national polling. This isn't left-wing tripe. This is what GOP operatives themselves are concerned and speaking about. Have you read the RNC's own report?

Look at how VA voted in the pres election and then last week for governor due to NOVA. Guys like Cruz are going to struggle there and places like CO, OH, and PA compared to someone like Hillary unless the trends reverse.

Re: Chris Christie

Originally Posted by kojo

Christie is a RINO? He definitely isn't a Dem lol. With a national electorate getting younger, socially more liberal (but fiscally conser
vative), and more Hispanic I don't see the GOP winning states like VA, OH, CO, PA, or FL with guys like Rand, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, or Perry unless they moderate some of their stances a little bit. I can see the GOP getting the Senate back based on the ACA mess but that's about it if they want to shut out guys like Christie and Ben Carson...

Rush said months ago, don't be surprised if Christie runs for the DEMs. YOung people more fiscal?

My nephews that recently graduated from college are all liberals and they laughed when I said you'll be poor when your my age paying for the taxes on O BUMMER CARE.

They laughed.

Just two weeks ago my gorgeous niece who attends Slippery Rock announced on facebook that she is a liberal. If you didn't know it then, you do now. Her father is a baptist minister and she grew up in a Christian conservative home. All these kids are breaking my heart turning vs the family values they grew up in.

I gave them all $2,000 when they left for college. When one was an exchange student in Australia he ran out of money and asked me to send him enough to get home. I did. He was scared to ask his dad so he knew I'd send him the money.

I wonder if they'll give me a refund. They won't get another cent from me.

They just said on Fox last night that the GOP would have to win 6 of 7 Senate seats that are open plus hold their own. They couldn't gain in the last election, not the Senate so they're not
taking over anything.

Rove and his boys running the GOP are as RINO as they can be. W even said when the market crashed he was going to be like FDR and promptly
gave the major banks TARP money to bail them out. Then OBY gave them more.

NOt the conservative thing to do. Even Palin was in DC when W gave that money making sure her state got her share of the ear marks.

Re: Chris Christie

Rush said months ago, don't be surprised if Christie runs for the DEMs. YOung people more fiscal?

My nephews that recently graduated from college are all liberals and they laughed when I said you'll be poor when your my age paying for the taxes on O BUMMER CARE.
They laughed.

Just two weeks ago my gorgeous niece who attends Slippery Rock announced on facebook that she is a liberal. If you didn't know it then, you do now. Her father is a baptist minister and she grew up in a Christian conservative home. All these kids are breaking my heart turning liberal.

I gave them all $2,000 when they left for college.

I wonder if they'll give me a refund. They won't get another cent from me.

Air, I offer my sympathy. But look at the national polls and their demographic breakdown, especially the one on Obama that just came out. The youth vote disapproves of him a bit more than 30-49 yr olds. In VA they were the group that voted libertarian the most. The GOP can win enough of them over, but they have to tone some thing's down a lil bit.

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Thanks, man. My sister says I should get off facebook or I will end up hating all my nephews and nieces. She understands what I don't.

You make good points K, but look at this piece
in the link below, dated Nov 2012.

OBY won the last two elections with the youth votes. I think it was less this time but he still got them. I know all our kids voted for him.
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Mr. Christie took on the Garden State’s teacher unions, but it otherwise takes a lot of hunting to find other issues on which the governor supports the conservative line. He has a liberal record on guns, abortion, homosexual marriage and global warming, for example. …

Republicans would do better to build up a leader who actually agrees with the party’s platform.
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Here's an article from the Huff Post stating that ignoring the youth vote hurt Mitt while OBY got 60-66% of it in the big battleground states - OHio, PA, Fla, and VA. That's where OBY won it plus Calif, Mich, Illinois and NY of course but the youth turned out for him in these states.

As HR posted above, Mitt ran a horrible campaign and is this is just one area he screwed up.

Re: Chris Christie

Originally Posted by kojo

Houston, look at the recent demographics and the GOP national polling. This isn't left-wing tripe. This is what GOP operatives themselves are concerned and speaking about. Have you read the RNC's own report?

Look at how VA voted in the pres election and then last week for governor due to NOVA. Guys like Cruz are going to struggle there and places like CO, OH, and PA compared to someone like Hillary unless the trends reverse.

I'm well aware of recent polling, national trends, etc. None of the states you listed is indicative of some sort of national trend / shift or is anything new for that matter.

OH and PA have been swing states for years. VA is a curious case now because of the amount of Dem money that went to the Libertarian in that race. Remove those votes and Cuccinelli is Gov.

One thing I will agree on is the religious rights influence on the party is dwindling, thus causing a shift towards the tea party by those who still identify themselves as religious.

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Re: Chris Christie

I like hearing that, goes in line with how i feel it should be handled.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

There is no doubt that a candidate like Christie is going to have a tough road ahead of him to win the GOP and the Presidency.

However, (this is totally my opinion) I think someone like Christie is going to be a lot easier for a majority of Americans to digest than someone like a Ted Cruz simply because Cruz is REALLY extreme on a lot of social issues.

...please keep in mind that my whole purpose for starting threads like this is mainly so I can learn more about the different potential candidates...

I feel like the talk is Tea Party/moderate vs Democrat but keep in mind that a moderate conservative would steal votes from the moderate liberals. democratic party isnt fractured like the Republicans but I wouldnt say its 100% happy with direction either. A lot of people are jsut fed up with government in general.

The Problem with Romney, outside religion which may or may not have been part of the issue was that he was an extremely wealthy man that was pretty cutthroat on the business side of things. thats not relatable for a large percentage of Democrats and pretty much everything theyre against. A guy like Christie who doesnt appear to be that but speaks the same moderate feelings will go over a lot better from the left. I think he has a much much better chance.

Im more hoping Gary Johnston gets some press going forward and gets a legitimate shot but his votes would also probably hurt the rights chances more than the lefts.

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Thanks, man. My sister says I should get off facebook or I will end up hating all my nephews and nieces. She understands what I don't.

You make good points K, but look at this piece
in the link below, dated Nov 2012.

OBY won the last two elections with the youth votes. I think it was less this time but he still got them. I know all our kids voted for him.
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Mr. Christie took on the Garden State’s teacher unions, but it otherwise takes a lot of hunting to find other issues on which the governor supports the conservative line. He has a liberal record on guns, abortion, homosexual marriage and global warming, for example. …

Republicans would do better to build up a leader who actually agrees with the party’s platform.
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Originally Posted by JAB1985

I like hearing that, goes in line with how i feel it should be handled.

I feel like the talk is Tea Party/moderate vs Democrat but keep in mind that a moderate conservative would steal votes from the moderate liberals. democratic party isnt fractured like the Republicans but I wouldnt say its 100% happy with direction either. A lot of people are jsut fed up with government in general.

The Problem with Romney, outside religion which may or may not have been part of the issue was that he was an extremely wealthy man that was pretty cutthroat on the business side of things. thats not relatable for a large percentage of Democrats and pretty much everything theyre against. A guy like Christie who doesnt appear to be that but speaks the same moderate feelings will go over a lot better from the left. I think he has a much much better chance.

Im more hoping Gary Johnston gets some press going forward and gets a legitimate shot but his votes would also probably hurt the rights chances more than the lefts.

I like Gary Johnson as well, but that guy has less of a chance than Ron Paul ever did.

Re: Chris Christie

I don't understand why if a politician is a realist when it comes to things like gun control, abortion and gay marriage then they're all of a sudden not allowed to be a Republican/Conservative?

This plainly exemplifies my issues with party politics. The truth is (or should be) that there really are no "parties" anymore. It's a farce to keep people against each other.

Because liberals are for abortion, gun control and gay marriage. It's a liberal thing but the GOP is liberal now with Rove running things. That's why they keep losing and probably will vs HIlly. Even McCain tried to run as a conservative but nobody bought it so the Conservatives stayed home as I posted above. James Dobson told Christians to stay home because Romney was hiding his true Mormon beliefs. He was another libby.

Andy Jackson said give me a million armed citizens and no one can defeat us. Yammato, brains of the Pear Harbor attack, said he'd never invade the US because they have someone behind every tree and grass blade with a gun.

That's why we need 2d amendment.

Liberals are for abortion and vs family values as the same is with gay marriage. Conservatives and Christian right sit home because GOP is running libbies disguised at connies and they're vs social issues and family value like my niece who said she's a libby. She was raised in the church and her dad was the pastor but she says nothing or does nothing for God.

There are parties. There just aren't any good ones anymore. That's why I'm independent and vote for the best person.