chris98251 wrote:Austin may be an athlete, but Reggie Bush was suppose to be all that also and while he can be dynamic what has he really done other then a few notable plays here and there, Desmond Howard was another Athlete, had a MVP moment in a Super bowl with his Kick returning not his receiveing abilities, Thats what I see as an Austin upside, I don't see him being Terry Metcalf, who was by far the best undersized player I have ever watched, even he had injuries shorten his career.

Austin may make explosive plays, but I liken it to a small guy fighting a big guy, small guy gets inside and gets a shot or two here and there, but he pays a high price for every blow he lands in just physical domination. Once tired or worn down some the big guy makes it hurt bad for those couple shots the small guy got in earlier.

See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

One of his best talents is avoiding the hit. He missed a total of zero games and one practice in HS and college.

The man has no pride! He runs out of bounds and goes down like a $2 wh... well, you know what I mean. I was watching his highlight reel and in this one play he was trapped on the sideline by three defenders who were going to pound him. So he stutter steps. At first I thought he was trying to pull a move but then I realised he was just forcing them to change speed and direction so they couldn't put the hit on him. He takes the yards left and steps out.

So, I don't think your analogy is correct. The big guy doesn't get to hit back because he eliminates the opportunity. Will that transfer to the NFL? God, I hope so.

So, you're saying he's a wuss?

Nope, I'm saying he plays to his strengths and manages his one weakness (which is also a strength).

Marvin49 wrote:...and you are using the combine weight of a player who's been in the league now for several years. I highly doubt Harvin is still 184 lbs. Players usually put on weight in NFL training rooms.

You don't read well, do you? That's the weight listed on the Seahawks web site. If you have proof its wrong, provide it. Otherwise, shut the Hell up.

Marvin49 wrote:...and you are using the combine weight of a player who's been in the league now for several years. I highly doubt Harvin is still 184 lbs. Players usually put on weight in NFL training rooms.

You don't read well, do you? That's the weight listed on the Seahawks web site. If you have proof its wrong, provide it. Otherwise, shut the Hell up.

Right...because the teams always update a players weight on a regular basis for the sole purpose of listing it. SMDH. Any height/weight info you will ever see on NFL players comes from the combine. I'm surprised you didn't already know that. Have you ever noticed that a players listed weight never changes in their entire career?

So....YOU shut the hell up.

EDIT: Actually....I'm not sure where the 184lbs came from. I know weight stats don't get updated. Ever. So not sure where the 184lbs first got listed. At the combine he actually weighed in at 192 lbs.

Typically player weights tho get posted someplace once and then every other site just copies that info and so on and so on. I remember Tim McDonald being asked about his weight when it was listed at 215 lbs. He smiled and said that was his rookie weight, but he was closer to 235-240 by the end of his career. The point here is that that any weight that is listed after the combine is just someone repeateing someone else. The teams have no mandate or desire to divulge the correct weights of their players.

BTW...I'm not even a Seahawk fan and I'm the guy defending Harvin here. LOL.

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Marvin49 wrote:Right...because the teams always update a players weight on a regular basis for the sole purpose of listing it. SMDH. Any height/weight info you will ever see on NFL players comes from the combine. I'm surprised you didn't already know that. Have you ever noticed that a players listed weight never changes in their entire career?

So....YOU shut the hell up.

BTW...I'm not even a Seahawk fan and I'm the guy defending Harvin here. LOL.

So you have no proof that Harvin weighs more than 184 lbs. Okay, based on your admission, your prior comments are stricken from the record. Next witness.

Marvin49 wrote:Right...because the teams always update a players weight on a regular basis for the sole purpose of listing it. SMDH. Any height/weight info you will ever see on NFL players comes from the combine. I'm surprised you didn't already know that. Have you ever noticed that a players listed weight never changes in their entire career?

So....YOU shut the hell up.

BTW...I'm not even a Seahawk fan and I'm the guy defending Harvin here. LOL.

So you have no proof that Harvin weighs more than 184 lbs. Okay, based on your admission, your prior comments are stricken from the record. Next witness.

LOL. OK Mr Head in the sand. You not knowing something that is pretty obvious and fairly well known isn't my fault. You might want to look into that.

BTW, I edited my post because Harvin actually weighed in at 192lbs at the combine. Not sure where or when the 184 came into play. May have been a listed weight from college.

Marvin49 wrote:BTW, I edited my post because Harvin actually weighed in at 192lbs at the combine. Not sure where or when the 184 came into play. May have been a listed weight from college.

You are such a tool.

...yet I'm STILL correct.

I dunno why I'm even arguing. LOL. I said 10-15 lbs and your stat is 8 lbs...so off by 2 pounds even if you're correct. LOL. I'm not even a Seattle fan. All you wanna do is "be right" even when you're not.

Marvin49 wrote:BTW, I edited my post because Harvin actually weighed in at 192lbs at the combine. Not sure where or when the 184 came into play. May have been a listed weight from college.

You are such a tool.

...yet I'm STILL correct.

No, you're just too stupid to get it.

You claim that Harvin is more than 184, his listed weight on the Seahawks' site, but you have no facts to back it up. You then claim that 184 was merely his combine weight, only to then come to the realization that he weighed MORE at the combine. Despite this, you continue to assert that Harvin is "10-15 pounds more than" Austin.

So, in the end, you have NO FACTS, and have simply chosen to ignore the one current source (Seahawks.com) that provides an answer.

You claim that Harvin is more than 184, his listed weight on the Seahawks' site, but you have no facts to back it up. You then claim that 184 was merely his combine weight, only to then come to the realization that he weighed MORE at the combine. Despite this, you continue to assert that Harvin is "10-15 pounds more than" Austin.

So, in the end, you have NO FACTS, and have simply chosen to ignore the one current source (Seahawks.com) that provides an answer.

In other words, you're a tool.

I don't need to have proof that I'm correct. This isn't a court of law. Just because you seem to be under the impression that players are constantly weighed and that weight is posted doesn't mean that I have to prove that lunacy inaccurate.

The fact that I went back and checked what I was saying only shows I'm capable of checking up on myself and admitting when I have some part of what I said wrong...which I did.

Go ahead...prove me wrong. I challenge you to do so. Nate Newton once weighed over 400 lbs but he was never listed over 325 lbs or so. I can't help it if you don't already know that.

If knowing something you don't know makes someone a tool, then it appears that 90% of the world are tools in your estimation. I feel comfortable being one of those people.

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

But you are also a fan, which means there is the very real possibility that you are seeing what you WANT to see rather than what is actually there. There's nothing wrong with that--we all do it and some more than others--but don't make the mistake of thinking you are giving anything close to an objective report on your team.

For all the time you spend talking about your team's advantages, you are glossing over its biggest obstacle: the fact that they play in a division with two very good teams that appear to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Seattle and San Francisco are proven playoff teams. St. Louis has proven nothing at this point. Maybe the Rams are as good as you say; nobody on this board would dispute the possibility. But that may also turn out to be nothing more than wishful thinking on your part. Looking like a champion in August is a lot different than playing like a champion in January.

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

But you are also a fan, which means there is the very real possibility that you are seeing what you WANT to see rather than what is actually there. There's nothing wrong with that--we all do it and some more than others--but don't make the mistake of thinking you are giving anything close to an objective report on your team.

For all the time you spend talking about your team's advantages, you are glossing over its biggest obstacle: the fact that they play in a division with two very good teams that appear to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Seattle and San Francisco are proven playoff teams. St. Louis has proven nothing at this point. Maybe the Rams are as good as you say; nobody on this board would dispute the possibility. But that may also turn out to be nothing more than wishful thinking on your part. Looking like a champion in August is a lot different than playing like a champion in January.

chris98251 wrote:Austin may be an athlete, but Reggie Bush was suppose to be all that also and while he can be dynamic what has he really done other then a few notable plays here and there, Desmond Howard was another Athlete, had a MVP moment in a Super bowl with his Kick returning not his receiveing abilities, Thats what I see as an Austin upside, I don't see him being Terry Metcalf, who was by far the best undersized player I have ever watched, even he had injuries shorten his career.

Austin may make explosive plays, but I liken it to a small guy fighting a big guy, small guy gets inside and gets a shot or two here and there, but he pays a high price for every blow he lands in just physical domination. Once tired or worn down some the big guy makes it hurt bad for those couple shots the small guy got in earlier.

Wouldn't all of these comments be good arguments against paying a King's ransom for Percy Harvin?

Actually they would, IF Harvin had not proven the ability to make plays, he has, he has had injuries also. Point is Harvin is like asking for extra sprinkles on ice cream we have receivers, we got to the second round of the playoffs last year with them, Austin is being depicted as the Ice cream by Rams fans.

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chris98251 wrote:Austin may be an athlete, but Reggie Bush was suppose to be all that also and while he can be dynamic what has he really done other then a few notable plays here and there, Desmond Howard was another Athlete, had a MVP moment in a Super bowl with his Kick returning not his receiveing abilities, Thats what I see as an Austin upside, I don't see him being Terry Metcalf, who was by far the best undersized player I have ever watched, even he had injuries shorten his career.

Austin may make explosive plays, but I liken it to a small guy fighting a big guy, small guy gets inside and gets a shot or two here and there, but he pays a high price for every blow he lands in just physical domination. Once tired or worn down some the big guy makes it hurt bad for those couple shots the small guy got in earlier.

See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

One of his best talents is avoiding the hit. He missed a total of zero games and one practice in HS and college.

The man has no pride! He runs out of bounds and goes down like a $2 wh... well, you know what I mean. I was watching his highlight reel and in this one play he was trapped on the sideline by three defenders who were going to pound him. So he stutter steps. At first I thought he was trying to pull a move but then I realised he was just forcing them to change speed and direction so they wouldn't have the angle or momentum to put the hit on him. He takes the yards left and steps out.

So, I don't think your analogy is correct. The big guy doesn't get to hit back because he eliminates the opportunity. Will that transfer to the NFL? God, I hope so.

You think a guy getting swing passes and short routes from the slot or crossing the middle is going to have a sideline to duck into? You think an end around or a guy in the backfield is going to avoid 300-pound lineman standing him up while safeties and linebackers finish him off? You think him fielding a Kick off and coming inside or trying to come across the grain or receiving a Punt and waiting for a guy at full speed to time his hit won't be highlight film hit material?

He may get a few break a ways here and there granted most of the guys I listed did also, but even those listed players who proved they could play took abusive punishment in the types of situations I just listed. Also his speed isn't that much better then most NFL speed, college he looked like a thoroughbred in a plow horse race, they are all thoroughbreds in the NFL.

I know one thing, as a CB, Safety, Linebacker or Gunner, if I have a shot on a guy that small I unload, to seperate the ball and yes take him out and make the team weaker. Nothijng against the player, but it would make the Rams weaker and give what ever team is playing less options.

I'm not talking trying to purposely end the guys career, but lay a lick on him so he won't be so apt to play without thinking about who's going to lay the next lick on him versus where the ball is. Kind of like a Vernon Davis hit.

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Marvin49 wrote:...and you are using the combine weight of a player who's been in the league now for several years. I highly doubt Harvin is still 184 lbs. Players usually put on weight in NFL training rooms.

You don't read well, do you? That's the weight listed on the Seahawks web site. If you have proof its wrong, provide it. Otherwise, shut the Hell up.

How many athletes are at the height and weight stated, guys under 6 foot by up to a couple inches get listed at 6 foot many times, guys at 6 foot at 6' 2", guys thin at heavier weights, guys big at lighter weights, especially in college reports, why the combine is so diligent at putting these guys thru every measurement they can think off. Trying to find the truth, even then it can be leaked incorrectly or kept quiet so people don't get any inside info if a team is interested.

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RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

But you are also a fan, which means there is the very real possibility that you are seeing what you WANT to see rather than what is actually there. There's nothing wrong with that--we all do it and some more than others--but don't make the mistake of thinking you are giving anything close to an objective report on your team.

For all the time you spend talking about your team's advantages, you are glossing over its biggest obstacle: the fact that they play in a division with two very good teams that appear to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Seattle and San Francisco are proven playoff teams. St. Louis has proven nothing at this point. Maybe the Rams are as good as you say; nobody on this board would dispute the possibility. But that may also turn out to be nothing more than wishful thinking on your part. Looking like a champion in August is a lot different than playing like a champion in January.

It's not me. I haven't been to camp.

NFL.com analyst Daniel Jeremiah was and he said Tavon Austin "easily could surpass" 70 receptions as a rookie.

NFL.com analyst Mike Mayock also took a trip to Rams camp and said "I watched all of his tape, I saw him in person at his pro day. He might be the most explosive player I've ever seen in my life, from a static start to full speed," "He's almost impossible to cover in short spaces. So the ways you can use this are basically only constrained by the imagination of your offensive coordinator." "he catches everything, he's tough, he's smart, and I think he's a guy that Sam Bradford already trusts."

Sports Illustrated's Peter King says he has "not seen a better offensive weapon" this summer than Jared Cook.

RichNhansom wrote:Austin wasn't the best receiver at WV. Stedman Bailey was (also drafted by the Rams) and what your ignoring about Austin is why you bring him in. It's not because you think he will have elite numbers it is because defenses cannot ignore him. It is a very large part of the reason Bailey had 1600 yards and 26 TD's his senior year alone and still wasn't considered a top draft prospect. It's what I refer to as the Harvin effect. Austin doesn't have to be a elite target to have a strong benefit to the offense.

^ This ^

Whether he turns out to be a superstar or not, anyone with half a brain should be able to see that such a player is going to draw quite a bit of attention from defenses. Doesn't matter if he's a Ram, Seahawk, 49er, or whatever.

However, Marvin49 seems to believe that he's the only one that can make claims on the kid's future while everyone else has to wait and see what happens.

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

RamzFanz wrote:See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

Now?

RamzFanz wrote:It's not me. I haven't been to camp.

So, first we were supposed to believe you because you claim to be a reasonable judge of talent. Now we are supposed to believe you because you found a couple of quotes from a couple of sportswriters? You're not exactly putting together a coherent argument here.

Once again, looking good in August doesn't mean you'll look good in January. Prove it in the regular season. Then we'll talk.

How many athletes are at the height and weight stated, guys under 6 foot by up to a couple inches get listed at 6 foot many times, guys at 6 foot at 6' 2", guys thin at heavier weights, guys big at lighter weights, especially in college reports, why the combine is so diligent at putting these guys thru every measurement they can think off. Trying to find the truth, even then it can be leaked incorrectly or kept quiet so people don't get any inside info if a team is interested.

And yet, Marvin insisted that Harvin is at least 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin. If the information on the teams' websites can't be relied upon (which again, show an 8 pound weight difference), then presumably he would have another source before making such a definitive assertion.

He has NO SOURCE, other than the voices in his head.

As for Rams/Whiners battles here, nobody should be surprised. The Rams and Whiners have hated each other since before there was an NFL franchise in Seattle.

How many athletes are at the height and weight stated, guys under 6 foot by up to a couple inches get listed at 6 foot many times, guys at 6 foot at 6' 2", guys thin at heavier weights, guys big at lighter weights, especially in college reports, why the combine is so diligent at putting these guys thru every measurement they can think off. Trying to find the truth, even then it can be leaked incorrectly or kept quiet so people don't get any inside info if a team is interested.

And yet, Marvin insisted that Harvin is at least 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin. If the information on the teams' websites can't be relied upon (which again, show an 8 pound weight difference), then presumably he would have another source before making such a definitive assertion.

He has NO SOURCE, other than the voices in his head.

As for Rams/Whiners battles here, nobody should be surprised. The Rams and Whiners have hated each other since before there was an NFL franchise in Seattle.

I have COMMON SENSE, some thing you clearly lack. You also have no proof that I'm WRONG about listed weights. I don't NEED proof to prove something that well known if you have been a fan for more than 10 minutes. LISTED WEIGHTS DON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

Even if you're right (which you're not) we are talking about a freakin' 2 lb difference. LOL. Have him eat a good turkey dinner and its over 10 lbs. Are you so deparate to be right that you are arguing 2 freakin lbs!?!

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

RamzFanz wrote:See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

Now?

RamzFanz wrote:It's not me. I haven't been to camp.

So, first we were supposed to believe you because you claim to be a reasonable judge of talent. Now we are supposed to believe you because you found a couple of quotes from a couple of sportswriters? You're not exactly putting together a coherent argument here.

Once again, looking good in August doesn't mean you'll look good in January. Prove it in the regular season. Then we'll talk.

Marvin49 wrote:I have COMMON SENSE, some thing you clearly lack. You also have no proof that I'm WRONG about listed weights. I don't NEED proof to prove something that well known if you have been a fan for more than 10 minutes. LISTED WEIGHTS DON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

Even if you're right (which you're not) we are talking about a freakin' 2 lb difference. LOL. Have him eat a good turkey dinner and its over 10 lbs. Are you so deparate to be right that you are arguing 2 freakin lbs!?!

...and he says I'M a tool. Wow

You are dumber than a box of rocks.

I don't have to prove anything. Its your assertion (that Harvin is 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin). You have to prove it. You have failed.

Also, you completely ignore the fact that Austin is 8 lbs. lighter and 3 inches shorter. That suggests that Austin may very well have a MORE solid build than Harvin.

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

RamzFanz wrote:See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

Now?

RamzFanz wrote:It's not me. I haven't been to camp.

So, first we were supposed to believe you because you claim to be a reasonable judge of talent. Now we are supposed to believe you because you found a couple of quotes from a couple of sportswriters? You're not exactly putting together a coherent argument here.

Once again, looking good in August doesn't mean you'll look good in January. Prove it in the regular season. Then we'll talk.

MMQB Peter King after visiting 20 teams: "I think the single-best player we saw on our tour was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook. What a catch radius. How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee I’ll never know."

Second best rookie he saw "Tavon Austin, WR/KR/PR, St. Louis. Saw him make Cortland Finnegan, a $10 million-a-year cornerback, look very mortal on an eight-yard curl. Preview of things to come."

RamzFanz wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I've been watching football long enough to be a reasonable judge of talent. This is the real deal.

RamzFanz wrote:See, I've watched a LOT of TA and I think you're not seeing how this guy survives and thrives.

Now?

RamzFanz wrote:It's not me. I haven't been to camp.

So, first we were supposed to believe you because you claim to be a reasonable judge of talent. Now we are supposed to believe you because you found a couple of quotes from a couple of sportswriters? You're not exactly putting together a coherent argument here.

Once again, looking good in August doesn't mean you'll look good in January. Prove it in the regular season. Then we'll talk.

MMQB Peter King after visiting 20 teams: "I think the single-best player we saw on our tour was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook. What a catch radius. How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee I’ll never know."

Second best rookie he saw "Tavon Austin, WR/KR/PR, St. Louis. Saw him make Cortland Finnegan, a $10 million-a-year cornerback, look very mortal on an eight-yard curl. Preview of things to come."

Peter King has no credibility because A) It's Peter King and B) The Rams have granted him a personal favor so there's no way he's going to bother being objective. By the way, re-read that sentence again. No one cares about an eight yard curl route. Seriously.

Marvin49 wrote:I have COMMON SENSE, some thing you clearly lack. You also have no proof that I'm WRONG about listed weights. I don't NEED proof to prove something that well known if you have been a fan for more than 10 minutes. LISTED WEIGHTS DON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

Even if you're right (which you're not) we are talking about a freakin' 2 lb difference. LOL. Have him eat a good turkey dinner and its over 10 lbs. Are you so deparate to be right that you are arguing 2 freakin lbs!?!

...and he says I'M a tool. Wow

You are dumber than a box of rocks.

I don't have to prove anything. Its your assertion (that Harvin is 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin). You have to prove it. You have failed.

Also, you completely ignore the fact that Austin is 8 lbs. lighter and 3 inches shorter. That suggests that Austin may very well have a MORE solid build than Harvin.

Now go away, silly person.

OMG....I'M dumber than a box of rocks!?!

Listen dumbskull, I was the person who pointed to Harvins height TO BEGIN WITH. YOU are the one making a big deal over a supposed TWO FREAKIN' LBs. EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT...it's 2 damn pounds!!! I'M the one that's dumb? Look in the freakin mirror homey.

RamzFanz wrote:MMQB Peter King after visiting 20 teams: "I think the single-best player we saw on our tour was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook. What a catch radius. How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee I’ll never know."

Second best rookie he saw "Tavon Austin, WR/KR/PR, St. Louis. Saw him make Cortland Finnegan, a $10 million-a-year cornerback, look very mortal on an eight-yard curl. Preview of things to come."

Peter King has no credibility because A) It's Peter King and B) The Rams have granted him a personal favor so there's no way he's going to bother being objective. By the way, re-read that sentence again. No one cares about an eight yard curl route. Seriously.

Um, what? He visited 20 teams. They all did him a personal favor. Did he call their TE the best player in any camp or their WR the second best rookie? Nope. Keeeeeep sleeping the Rams, it's going to make the shock so much more enjoyable.

RamzFanz wrote:MMQB Peter King after visiting 20 teams: "I think the single-best player we saw on our tour was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook. What a catch radius. How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee I’ll never know."

Second best rookie he saw "Tavon Austin, WR/KR/PR, St. Louis. Saw him make Cortland Finnegan, a $10 million-a-year cornerback, look very mortal on an eight-yard curl. Preview of things to come."

Peter King has no credibility because A) It's Peter King and B) The Rams have granted him a personal favor so there's no way he's going to bother being objective. By the way, re-read that sentence again. No one cares about an eight yard curl route. Seriously.

Um, what? He visited 20 teams. They all did him a personal favor. Did he call their TE the best player in any camp or their WR the second best rookie? Nope. Keeeeeep sleeping the Rams, it's going to make the shock so much more enjoyable.

I have no doubt he looked good in camp and I'd be happy if the Niners had taken him. All I'm sayin' is don't get the bust ready for Canton just yet. He's trying to do something a selct few have been able to do....play WR on the NFL level at that diminutive size.

What people here are taking issue with is the ASSUMPTION that he's just gonna step in and dominate. Nobody is doubting that he has talent. So have MANY, MANY other high picks who completely flamed out (See Ginn, Ted - Howard, Desmond - Warrick, Peter for examples).

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Marvin49 wrote:I have COMMON SENSE, some thing you clearly lack. You also have no proof that I'm WRONG about listed weights. I don't NEED proof to prove something that well known if you have been a fan for more than 10 minutes. LISTED WEIGHTS DON'T CHANGE EVERY YEAR.

Even if you're right (which you're not) we are talking about a freakin' 2 lb difference. LOL. Have him eat a good turkey dinner and its over 10 lbs. Are you so deparate to be right that you are arguing 2 freakin lbs!?!

...and he says I'M a tool. Wow

You are dumber than a box of rocks.

I don't have to prove anything. Its your assertion (that Harvin is 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin). You have to prove it. You have failed.

Also, you completely ignore the fact that Austin is 8 lbs. lighter and 3 inches shorter. That suggests that Austin may very well have a MORE solid build than Harvin.

Now go away, silly person.

OMG....I'M dumber than a box of rocks!?!

Listen dumbskull, I was the person who pointed to Harvins height TO BEGIN WITH. YOU are the one making a big deal over a supposed TWO FREAKIN' LBs. EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT...it's 2 damn pounds!!! I'M the one that's dumb? Look in the freakin mirror homey.

So, if we assume that Tavon Austin's weight on the Rams' site is correct, but Percy Harvin's weight on the Seahawks' site is incorrect, and that his true weight is reflected on his web page, then there would be a 19 lb difference (your math skills are a bit faulty). Of course, if all sources are suspect, then I guess we don't what Austin's weight is either.

None of this, of course, changes my opinion. Austin and Harvin are both small WRs who rely on speed. Those who dismiss Austin as an injury risk, while not doing the same for Harvin (or Wes Welker, or Steve Smith, or Randall Cobb, etc.) are being inconsistent.

I don't have to prove anything. Its your assertion (that Harvin is 10-15 pounds heavier than Austin). You have to prove it. You have failed.

Also, you completely ignore the fact that Austin is 8 lbs. lighter and 3 inches shorter. That suggests that Austin may very well have a MORE solid build than Harvin.

Now go away, silly person.

OMG....I'M dumber than a box of rocks!?!

Listen dumbskull, I was the person who pointed to Harvins height TO BEGIN WITH. YOU are the one making a big deal over a supposed TWO FREAKIN' LBs. EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT...it's 2 damn pounds!!! I'M the one that's dumb? Look in the freakin mirror homey.

So, if we assume that Tavon Austin's weight on the Rams' site is correct, but Percy Harvin's weight on the Seahawks' site is incorrect, and that his true weight is reflected on his web page, then there would be a 19 lb difference (your math skills are a bit faulty). Of course, if all sources are suspect, then I guess we don't what Austin's weight is either.

None of this, of course, changes my opinion. Austin and Harvin are both small WRs who rely on speed. Those who dismiss Austin as an injury risk, while not doing the same for Harvin (or Wes Welker, or Steve Smith, etc.) are being inconsistent.

You never learn do you. My math skills are just fine BTW because 195 minus 174 is 21. Nice attempt to score points and failing miserably genius. 203 minus 174 is 29 BTW...so 20-30 lbs. Like I said.

Who is dumber than a box of rocks again?

Most sources ARE suspect. That's been my point all along. The only stats that CAN be trusted are the ones from the combine. The problem with that tho is that the further a player gets from the combine the more likely it is to be inaccurate and not reflect a players CURRENT weight. The only thing that is for sure is that Austin was 174 at the combine and Harvin was 192 at the combine. That would be an 18 lb. difference. NFL WRs tend to gain weight after a few years in the weight room, which is why you get that link I provided that says 203 lbs. You know...the point I was making ALL ALONG.

Has Austin GAINED weight in the few short months since he was drafted? Possibly...but I highly doubt it's a significant amount. Will he gain MORE weight as time goes on? Probably. How much tho depends on genetics, work ethic, and if he can maintain his speed at that size. LaMichael James for example was like 5'8" and 170 as a Sophmore at Oregon. He's gained weight every year and put on another 10 lbs this offseason and is up to 205 or so now.

As for you're last point....um...so? That was never my point. I never said a word about staying healthy. Harvin clearly HASN'T stayed healthy. My only point was that Austin is short and small. Don't try to deflect the conversation in another direction to be right after a few days now of calling me stupid now that you know I'm right.

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Moving along, I think that Austin will likely be the 3rd leading receiver on the Rams (in terms of receptions and yards) this year, behind Chris Givens and Jared Cook. Austin's role will be to provide big plays and TDs.

Moving along, I think that Austin will likely be the 3rd leading receiver on the Rams (in terms of receptions and yards) this year, behind Chris Givens and Jared Cook. Austin's role will be to provide big plays and TDs.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny!!!! ROFLMAO.

SOMEONE can't stand being proven wrong. LOL.

Moving on...

As for you're point....dunno. I like Cook tho...just prefer he wasn't a Ram.

Moving along, I think that Austin will likely be the 3rd leading receiver on the Rams (in terms of receptions and yards) this year, behind Chris Givens and Jared Cook. Austin's role will be to provide big plays and TDs.

Well...what did the team's website say about it?

cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Moving along, I think that Austin will likely be the 3rd leading receiver on the Rams (in terms of receptions and yards) this year, behind Chris Givens and Jared Cook. Austin's role will be to provide big plays and TDs.