I just can't get myself to want Jake back unless his contract is way below the supposed market value. I mean like 3/60, because even at 4/90 or something along those lines I just have zero interest. I hope the Cubs feel the same, because if that 4/112 rumor is true I'm going to vomit.

Tryptamine wrote:I just can't get myself to want Jake back unless his contract is way below the supposed market value. I mean like 3/60, because even at 4/90 or something along those lines I just have zero interest. I hope the Cubs feel the same, because if that 4/112 rumor is true I'm going to vomit.

I really feel like Arrieta is about to fall apart, and I want no part of him on a multi-year contract. It was a great time, but happy trails to you, Jake.

I kind of think we may wind up seeing each of Darvish and Jake signing deals for less than originally anticipated. Yu for 5/125 or so, Jake for 4/100 or so. Maybe each get a vesting option. But BOTH get an opt out after year 1, to potentially put themselves back into the market, when more teams are expected to be spending.

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davell wrote:I kind of think we may wind up seeing each of Darvish and Jake signing deals for less than originally anticipated. Yu for 5/125 or so, Jake for 4/100 or so. Maybe each get a vesting option. But BOTH get an opt out after year 1, to potentially put themselves back into the market, when more teams are expected to be spending.

Darvish's MLBTR projection was 6/160, so that's basically only taking a year away. Arrieta's projection was 4/100. I think if they're getting less than anticipated you're talking about Darvish maybe dipping into 4 years, and Arrieta definitely not getting 9 figures.

davell wrote:I kind of think we may wind up seeing each of Darvish and Jake signing deals for less than originally anticipated. Yu for 5/125 or so, Jake for 4/100 or so. Maybe each get a vesting option. But BOTH get an opt out after year 1, to potentially put themselves back into the market, when more teams are expected to be spending.

Darvish's MLBTR projection was 6/160, so that's basically only taking a year away. Arrieta's projection was 4/100. I think if they're getting less than anticipated you're talking about Darvish maybe dipping into 4 years, and Arrieta definitely not getting 9 figures.

Eh, I want no part of Jake, but I've always figured Boras would get him nine figures. I was figuring him for 5/125 from someone. That's about what I figured Darvish would get though. 6/160ish. I don't think Darvish will have to settle for 4 years and I don't see Jake settling for 3. But, they both got the short end of FA, with teams gearing up for next year.

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I'd be fine going to 4/85-95 with an opt out for either of Jake or Darvish. Wouldn't do 5 years on Jake but I'd be okay with doing 5/105-115 for Yu with the opt out. Cobb can go horsefeathers off at this point unless he comes for 3 years or less and $15 aav or less.

I am starting to think that Arrietta will be reintroduced at the Cubs Convention. Not an optimist by nature. I would love Darvish on a decent deal, whatever that means nowadays.

Does anyone think the front office looks for excuses to show loyalty as a signal to future targets? If Arrietta comes cheaper than Darvish in terms of years and money, a baseball decision can be couched as a decision to stick with "our guy." I assume that the FO is more sanguine about Arrieta's future than many of us are.

Lefty wrote:Assuming Twins and Astros out on Darvish, we are competing with Dodgers and Yankees; an unenviable financial position. If the luxury tax is so punishing, how can they be in at all?

There is no indication the Twins are out on Darvish. I would say they are the biggest competition for the Cubs if Darvish is going for the money. Yankees and Dodgers need to make trades to get rid of money first.