Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

all the people in the know continue to advise to watch the right hand when the left hand diversion begins - that diversion might be coming to a head in the Middle East ...

looking like the Saudis are expanding their attack on the Iranian proxy rebels - this time the Hezbollou bases & missile launchers in Lebanon - with Israel joining in with joint air strikes ...

this will be a major escalation compared to what's been waged in Yemen - whole new ballgame if Israel does join in - could be a kick off of a major conflict with Iran ...

definitely something to be watching .....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:43 pm

by TRex2

I agree it has been too quiet. One possibility is that Trump got across to the Chinese that they need to reign in the Crazy Fat Kid. At least until this weeks visits are done. Another possibility is that the cave in of the nuclear testing site gave Crazy Fat Kid something to do for a while. Like clean up a radioactive mess.

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:05 pm

by Illini Warrior

TRex2 wrote:I agree it has been too quiet. One possibility is that Trump got across to the Chinese that they need to reign in the Crazy Fat Kid. At least until this weeks visits are done. Another possibility is that the cave in of the nuclear testing site gave Crazy Fat Kid something to do for a while. Like clean up a radioactive mess.

they actually are looking for activity in other areas of NK for nuke device testing tunneling - that area is tooo badly fractured from previous testing for safe digging - the Chinese are complaining that the continuous testing has fractured all the way into their territory ....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Kim Jong Un’s regime is pursuing an “aggressive schedule” to construct its first operational ballistic missile submarine, an analysis of satellite images indicated as North Korea scoffs at international condemnation and moves to complete its missile and nuclear program.

The images of Sinpo South Shipyard released on Thursday by 38 North, a project by the U.S.-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies that specializes in North Korea analysis, suggested there were signs of movement and parts in the area since the start of the year. The shipyard has been notoriously known to be used to build large submarines for North Korea’s army, the analysis stated.

Several signs indicated the regime is expanding the site and working on a shipbuilding program to build and deploy a submarine capable of carrying a missile. The Nov. 5 satellite images showed “two larger circular objects” that could be used for a pressure hull on a submarine. Gantry and tower cranes have been seen moving around the facility, suggesting a “prolonged and ongoing shipbuilding program,” according to 38 North.

“The presence of what appear to be sections of a submarine’s pressure hull in the yards suggests construction of a new submarine, possibly the SINPO-C ballistic missile submarine — the follow-on to the current SINPO-class experimental ballistic missile submarine,” the 38 North report said.

An object spotted on the service tower appeared to be a launch canister support or launch canister, which wasn’t pictured in previous images of the shipyard area. It also replicates how a missile would be launched from a submarine’s hull. The report, however, said there are no indications a submarine-launched missile test will be conducted in the near future.

Though the images do not definitively show how much progress Kim’s scientists have made on building a ballistic missile submarine, North Korea has previously vowed to obtain a submarine capable of launching a long-range ballistic missile. State media released a propaganda video in late September depicting a submarine-launched missile striking the USS Carl Vinson.

Mark Fitzpatrick, a veteran arms control expert with the International Institute for Strategic Studies, told the BBC on Sunday the volatile regime has repeatedly surpassed expectations in developing its missile program.

"Up to now, North Korea has frequently surprised analysts and exceeded expectations in terms of the pace of its missile development,” Fitzpatrick told the BBC.

North Korea test-launched its first intercontinental ballistic missile in July, giving Kim the ability to strike Alaska for the first time in history. Its last intermediate-range missile launch in September, which flew over Japan, placed U.S. territory of Guam in range of a missile attack — a strike that Kim has previously threatened.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Friday called on African nations to isolate North Korea in an effort to suppress the regime’s missile and nuclear program. Speaking to African foreign ministers at the State Department, Tillerson said North Korea poses a threat to the world, not just Asia and the U.S. and that as such all countries have an obligation to reduce that threat.

"Let me stress that the United States seeks greater support from our African partners on growing global security matters, including North Korea," he said.

However, North Korea has clutched on to its nuclear program, vowing to complete its goal despite U.N. sanctions and international pressure as the crisis reaches a peak. President Trump, during his speech in South Korea, gave Kim a stern warning to “not underestimate” the U.S., to which North Korea’s state media responded: “[Trump’s threat] pushes us to speed up the effort to complete our nuclear force."

Other parts of it are a bit silly. Like the very idea of evacuating while a missile attack is in progress (what I find silly is that it was even brought up).

The country will NOT attempt evacuations if maniac despot Kim Jong-un fires a nuclear missile, emergency planners have warned.

Jeremy Zidek, from the state’s disaster planning team, urged locals to shelter in place should an attack happen – rather than risk being caught in the open for the blast.

It is likely, if a ballistic missile is launched, people will be wherever they are, and have no time at all to do anything before it hits. "Real time" intelligence warnings to the public are likely to take hours, due to the panic and chaos that will occur inside the warning system, itself, when the real thing happens.

Mr Zidek also warned that Alaska no longer retains bomb shelters and that there would be no new measures to deal specifically with the nuclear threat.

Bomb shelters are a thing of the past, long past. Fallout shelters, maintained for a few years in the 60's are now considered too expensive to be maintained by the government.

The comforting thing in all of this is, if he waits until he gets a new submarine built, that will be at least another year.

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:18 am

by Illini Warrior

TRex2 wrote:Some of this is enlightening, as I thought N.Korea already had at least one sub capable of launching a ballistic missile.

Other parts of it are a bit silly. Like the very idea of evacuating while a missile attack is in progress (what I find silly is that it was even brought up).

The country will NOT attempt evacuations if maniac despot Kim Jong-un fires a nuclear missile, emergency planners have warned.

Jeremy Zidek, from the state’s disaster planning team, urged locals to shelter in place should an attack happen – rather than risk being caught in the open for the blast.

It is likely, if a ballistic missile is launched, people will be wherever they are, and have no time at all to do anything before it hits. "Real time" intelligence warnings to the public are likely to take hours, due to the panic and chaos that will occur inside the warning system, itself, when the real thing happens.

Mr Zidek also warned that Alaska no longer retains bomb shelters and that there would be no new measures to deal specifically with the nuclear threat.

Bomb shelters are a thing of the past, long past. Fallout shelters, maintained for a few years in the 60's are now considered too expensive to be maintained by the government.

The comforting thing in all of this is, if he waits until he gets a new submarine built, that will be at least another year.

most of the nuke powers have attack subs with some Tomahawk type cruise missile that's nuke tipped - talking a few minutes now after launch with no warning ... the US converted 4 of the big boomer ballistic jobs for all cruise missile launch - had a big PR deal to announce their deployment to the Pacific - definite warning to China and Little Fat Boy ....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:19 pm

by Illini Warrior

no big surprise here about the future of the Winter Olympic Games in early 2018 ....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:26 am

by Mollypup

Our "warnings" have had no effect on Little Fat Man nor China up til now, doubtful our move is going to matter much.....except perhaps to potentially tip a hand. We'd better hope no one has an itchy trigger finger or is too jumpy, else we give China the opportunity to make good on their own threat to us.

Actually, though, I see this as more an indication as how close we are to full blown war than being a deterrent.

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:46 am

by Illini Warrior

Mollypup wrote:Our "warnings" have had no effect on Little Fat Man nor China up til now, doubtful our move is going to matter much.....except perhaps to potentially tip a hand. We'd better hope no one has an itchy trigger finger or is too jumpy, else we give China the opportunity to make good on their own threat to us.

Actually, though, I see this as more an indication as how close we are to full blown war than being a deterrent.

the Winter Olympics are 3 months off - if you read the article I posted there's general lack of participation thru ticket sales and reservations - wayyyyyyyyyy down compared to even the worst previous Winter Olympics (the Russian venue) - one reason given is NO travel insurance guarantee - nobody is willing to gamble on the Little Fat Boy ....

NK sets off another nuke just days before The Games start - the US starts to circle the carrier groups off shore - you're still on the hook for the entire trip package ....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:07 pm

by dmwalsh568

Illini Warrior wrote:

Mollypup wrote:Our "warnings" have had no effect on Little Fat Man nor China up til now, doubtful our move is going to matter much.....except perhaps to potentially tip a hand. We'd better hope no one has an itchy trigger finger or is too jumpy, else we give China the opportunity to make good on their own threat to us.

Actually, though, I see this as more an indication as how close we are to full blown war than being a deterrent.

the Winter Olympics are 3 months off - if you read the article I posted there's general lack of participation thru ticket sales and reservations - wayyyyyyyyyy down compared to even the worst previous Winter Olympics (the Russian venue) - one reason given is NO travel insurance guarantee - nobody is willing to gamble on the Little Fat Boy ....

NK sets off another nuke just days before The Games start - the US starts to circle the carrier groups off shore - you're still on the hook for the entire trip package ....

I consider that an almost best case scenario if LFB wants to make a splash - to really set things going he'll do something DURING the Winter Olympics....

Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV 2017)

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:22 pm

by TRex2

I still think it is likely it will take him something on the order of a year to be ready.