Hey,
Guys. You wanted to learn how to write AMAZING, PAGE-TURNING DIALOGUE, so I kidnapped recruited the best. Les Edgerton
has been so generous with his time and talent, and we are SUPER grateful. I
promise to release Les back into the wild…eventually.

Take
it away, Les!

Thanks for
having me back on, Kristen! There were several things I neglected to talk about
on dialogue in the first two posts, so I wanted to include them here. There are
many other elements of good dialogue than posted here, but these are kind of
important.

Now, here
are the couple of things I neglected to cover in the first two posts.

Format
with Tags

One is the
format of dialogue with tags. I suspect that this one will draw as many
responses from folks who don’t buy it as there were who resisted using “said”
as dialogue tag verbs. It’s your choice—I’m just relaying the mindset of many
editors.

It’s very
simple. The accepted format for
dialogue tags these days is “He/she/name said.” Almost always. What is
considered archaic and musty is this construction: “Said he/she/name.”

About the
only folks still using this latter format are some older journalists, some
writers from other cultures (Canada comes to mind), brand names, and writers
who haven’t kept up with current usages. Which leads me to make a big point—brand names—those authors with significant
followings—can make every mistake in the book and get away with it.
They’re beyond such limitations, simply because their readerships are such that
publishers will accept just about anything they publish.

Stephen
King could probably publish his grocery list and it would hit the bestseller
lists… Although, King is such a terrific writer, he wouldn’t (and doesn’t)
break very many of these rules and conventions. This is just to make you aware
that many times brand name authors aren’t always the folks to go to for writing
models. Simply because they can get away with things that unknown writers
can’t.

The
reality is, King can do things we can’t. Same goes for any brand name author.
That doesn’t mean their work is valueless for instruction—it has immense value.
There’s a reason they’re popular and it’s almost always the writing. But,
always look at it with a grain of salt and become thoroughly familiar with the
direction fiction is taking because there are popular authors who haven’t kept
up and whose books, if modeled for your own efforts, may work against you.

Whenever I
have a student point out an example in a published book that goes contrary to
the advice I’ve given them, my first question is: “Is this from a brand-name
author?” If it is, then I ask them to consider the source. And to gently let
them know that while it may not be fair, it’s the reality that we (unknowns)
have to be better in many ways that established writers with significant
followings don’t have to be.

If
anyone’s parents told them the world was fair, they did them a disservice…

Conflict

The second
thing I neglected to touch on is conflict. We all know that there has to be
conflict on every single page of a novel for it to work, and this is especially
true in dialogue. That’s why Q&A dialogue doesn’t work. There’s virtually
no conflict in it.

I advise
my novel writing students and clients constantly that the protagonist should never, ever gain anything easily, no matter how
seemingly trivial the exchange is.

An example
I give often is to tell them that if they have their protagonist stop a bum on
the street to ask directions to a bar she’s pretty sure is a block or two away
but isn’t sure in what direction, she should have the bum say something to the
effect of: “Whadda I look like, Sweetpea? The frickin’ Chamber of Commerce?”
And, then, either give up the info grudgingly or walk off and let her find her
own way. The point being,
never let the protagonist gain things easily. Never.

In dialogue, when the protagonist is trying to gain information, it
should be like pulling teeth.Now, that doesn’t mean there should be a
war created to gain a simple piece of information. The writer needs to tailor
the conflict proportionally to the value of what she’s after.

In the
example above, this is plenty. What she’s after is just a simple direction. It
doesn’t rise to the level of WWIII. But… there should be at least a bit of
conflict and resistance to gain her answer.

When the information is valuable, the conflict needs to be ratcheted up
in proportion.

This is
one of the primary keys to creating tension and tension is the lifeblood of a
successful novel. Nothing
should be gained easily and the opposition to her gaining it should be
proportional to the value it holds. The other primary key to a quality
read is to keep posing story questions, one after another after another after
another… ad nauseum.

I’ve barely
touched on the subject, but hope there’s some food for thought here for most
readers.

The main
thing is—keep up on what
passes for contemporary usages these days and keep those red flags to a
minimum. And, remember, no one has ever written a perfect novel. Every
single novel ever published has flaws. Perfection is an impossible goal. Can’t
be done. Just get it as good as you possibly can and send it out. And begin on
a new work and try to make it even “gooder.”

Remember: When you’re green, you’re growing.And, when you’re
ripe, you’re rotten. Writing has changed greatly in the past
ten-twenty years and it’s going to keep on changing. What I said here—at least
some of it—will eventually be outdated. It’s one reason to keep reading
voraciously and to keep reading craft books.

Hope this
helps!

Blue
skies,

Les

Les,
THANK YOU SO MUCH. For my readers, Les will be back tomorrow with some final
advice about your writing and your careers as authors, so I hope you’ll join
us.

Today,
is Les Edgerton’s last post in this series. We’ve been extraordinarily blessed
to learn from him, so I hope y’all will give him a digital hug or round of
applause. Les will soon be teaching on-line classes for WANA, so I’ll let you
know when those are available.

Take
it away, Les!

All of the
points we’ve covered in this dialogue series are intended for one purpose
only—to help writers avoid the red flags that improper dialogue can create for
agents and editors… and readers.

And that’s
what they are—red flags. That doesn’t mean that breaking any of these “rules”
or conventions will doom your mss from being taken, but it does mean the
presence of them can cast a negative light on your work. And, I imagine we all
want to avoid that!

Also,
there will be a great many examples of novels that break these precepts. There
are many reasons for that. Contrary to popular opinion, novels don’t make it
into print simply because they’re quality writing. There are many other factors
at work. Factors that the writer may or may not have control over.

For
instance, novels are published because the author has made a personal
connection with a publisher. When an editor knows someone and likes that
person, it’s not uncommon for that person’s book to be taken over another more
worthy one. Happens all the time.

Or, an
author may have had one or more successful novels already published and the
current one may not be as good as the mss lying on the same desk as an unknown
author, but the lesser quality novel will be taken. Again, happens all the
time.

Sometimes,
even though the novel breaks all kinds of rules, something in a novel like this
may simply appeal to an individual editor. Maybe it’s the voice. Maybe it’s the
setting—my first novel was taken by accident because of its setting. The
Death of Tarpons had been rejected 86 times before I sent it to the
University of North Texas Press.

That’s
EIGHTY-SIX times!

That was
in the days of snail mail submissions, where you had to pay the postage for the
mss to the editor and also provide return postage. That was during a time when
my family ate a lot of beans and really couldn’t afford to buy the tons of
stamps I needed. I had made my mind up that once I reached 100 rejections, I
would “retire” the manuscript.

What
happened was that it landed on the desk of UNT’s publisher, Fran Vick.
Unbeknownst to me at the time, UNT had never before published fiction. If I’d
known that, I never would have sent it.

Anyway, Fran’s secretary had unwrapped
the day’s mail and as it by chance happened, mine was the first mss on Fran’s
desk. Her normal routine when presented with a fiction mss, was for her to not
even read it, but just stick a standard rejection notice in it and have her
secretary send it back.

Luck was
on my side!

As Fran
related to me later (I’ve just revealed a happy ending and taken all the
tension out of this, haven’t I!), her secretary was bringing her her morning
cup of coffee and something happened where she had to remake the pot. That gave
Fran an extra five minutes or so before she began her “official” day, so, for
want of anything else to do, she picked up the first page of my novel and began
idly to read it. If it wasn’t for her secretary’s failing to deliver her that
cup of coffee, none of what happened next would have ever happened.

It’s what
she read on that first page that induced her to keep reading. The novel was set
in Freeport, Texas, the town I grew up in. Like most first novels, it was an
autobiographical, “coming-of-age” novel (there’s a cliché for ya!). The thing
is… Freeport was Fran’s hometown!

What
editor can resist reading about their own hometown, especially when that town
is a tiny burg like Freeport? A New York City editor, glancing at the first
page of a mss and seeing it’s set in NYC isn’t going to be nearly as intrigued
as an editor from Freeport, Texas reading a novel set in… Freeport, Texas!

As it
turned out, Fran also knew my grandmother who was prominently on the page
immediately and was instantly drawn into the story and read it all the way
through, got on the phone, and offered to buy it.

So,
there’s luck involved sometimes. Although, the book was well-written, so it
also pays to be ready for luck when it appears. Fortune favors the prepared! The book went on to be
well-reviewed and sold very well and earned a Special Mention from the Violet
Crown Book Awards.

The point
is, there are so many factors out of your control that can lead to or prevent
publication. But, there are factors that you can control and among them are
adhering to contemporary writing styles and conventions. And that is the
impetus behind these precepts. To help you avoid many of the red flags that may
prevent your mss from getting a fair and thorough reading.

Okay? Best
of luck to all of you and your writing endeavors!

Blue
skies,

Les

Les,
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH. We really appreciate you taking so much time from your
packed schedule.

Kristen
Lamb

And there you have it, folks. Hope you enjoyed the posts.

BTW, so far, THE RAPIST has garnered 22 reviews on Amazon and every single one has been five stars! I'm stoked!

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Hi! Welcome to my blog. To introduce myself, I'm a full-time writer with eighteen books in print and I teach creative writing on the university level, through private coaching of writers, and on various on-line venues.
I write in a variety of forms: novels, short stories, nonfiction books, screenplays and the subjects I choose to write about are just as varied, including sports, literary fiction, thrillers, black comedy and the craft of writing.
I'm married to Mary and we have a son, Mike. I have two daughters--Britney and Sienna--from a previous marriage. I immigrated to Ft. Wayne, IN from the U.S.A. and it's where I still live today. Doing my best to learn the language and adjust to the culture.
I have a checkered past, having spent two-plus years incarcerated at Pendleton Reformatory back in the sixties for burglary. I'm all cleaned up now and you can invite me into your home and don't have to count the silverware when I leave.
Graduated from Indiana University with a B.A. in General Studies (Honors of Distinction); obtained an MFA in Writing from Vermont College.
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I recently sent copies of THE RAPIST and THE BITCH to one of the best writers in the world, Ken Bruen. I just wanted to get on his radar and nothing else. He misunderstood and thought I was asking for a blurb... so he gave me one. Although unsolicited, it meant the world to me. Here's Mr. Bruen's email:

Dear Les

Thank you so much for the books and the superb novels.

You sure have lived the life and have a nice light touch in describing it.

I loved the novels.

Here is my blurb

Les Edgerton is the reincarnation of our beloved Eddie Bunker.

The writing is as tough and tender as Bunker with that wonderful sense of dry humour that underpins even the most violent of scenes.

This guy can write and like a focused Bukowski.

Make no mistake, here is the real deal.

The books cry out for movie deals.

Warmest wishes

Ken Bruen

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I read every writing book that comes down the pike, and I like a lot of them. But I LOVE Hooked / write fiction that grabs readers at page one and never lets them go! As punchy as Les Edgerton’s hard-hitting fiction, Hooked takes no prisoners. Clear, simple, direct, it offers something fresh in every chapter. I recommend it to all my students and even my colleagues. Your writing library won’t be complete without it.

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