LAST TIME, people: Background checks are not permission, they are rejection. Put another way: a background check would not stop an immigrant with a state-provided ID, but a law-abiding citizen named John Wilkes Booth would be told to wait 7 days while they look into it further.

There's nothing WRONG with a background check, but it's not magic, either. It's still not enough to stop a first-time buyer with no criminal record who never reported the side-effects of a recent Cymbalta prescription.

According to the website spotcrime.com, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic violence in July 2009 after assaulting his girlfriend.

Okay, presuming it resulted in a conviction, that would probably prevent him from passing a background check. Now how about his brother?

His NINETEEN year old brother?

Age 18 for a long gun in Massachusetts.

Is that what he has?

Per the cops last night, yes. Until they killed a cop and took his gun.

I guess we'll find out where he got it.

Yep. But last week, he was just a guy. He could have bought it legally in Massachusetts with a full background check. So the "background check would have stopped this" claim is dead on arrival, not to mention they have homemade bombs.

So you think Tamerlan should have been allowed to buy?Tamerlan is the older brother with the domestic violence count, if he has a conviction then no. As for Dzhokar, again, what criteria would you have used to disallow him before this week? The fact that he's Islamic? An immigrant? You don't like his looks? Or your super special crystal ball that you didn't use to prevent the bombings?

I just think stopping Tamerlan from buying is better than selling him an AR-1 ...

His brother could. So it doesn't matter if I disagree with you or not. Meanwhile, you have still failed to prevent them from blowing people up.

I know you're really wedded to the idea of "background check!!1!1!" but it would not have helped.

probesport:The Life Of Brian: I think he's shaking and crying in a basement somewhere....Brother was the leader...he's a scared 19 year old and doesn't know what to do... He either killed himself or he's in a dark corner crying out for mommy right now... I seriously doubt he got away.

I doubt that, at 19 I was pretty sure I could rule the world and was near invincible.

bdub77:This is a crazy long manhunt. Can't believe he escaped the authorities in a chase, especially as wanted as he is. I also can't imagine he got out of the area given the police presence. Probably dead but who knows.

After he's dead or captured the people who trained him to think and act that way will long be roaming free.

lordaction:Liberals rely on emotions to make decisions instead of logic and facts.

ATTENTION FARK: I know it will come to a big shock to you guys, so you may want to sit down for this.

Rush Limbaugh on his show has been saying this line verbatim for the last 2 months. He's using it in conjunction with his rhetoric about how Obama won the election because of "low information voters who are almost all Democrat".

Dimensio:lennavan: drdstny: The gun show loophole essentially amounts to private citizens doing PPT / P2P (private party / person to person) transactions. You see these all the time at gun shows: people "wear" their guns with a sign on it that says what they want (cash or trade). Since there's nothing stopping one consenting party from looking the other way while another consenting party hands over money, THAT is the loophole. THAT is the problem. Responsible gun dealers won't look the other way, if for no other reason than to account for the serial number of the gun being sold.

There is also nothing stopping gun dealers (not random people wearing their guns with a sign) from looking the other way. THAT also is the loophole. Yes, "responsible" gun dealers won't look the other way. Duh, by definition you called them "responsible." There are also plenty of "irresponsible" gun dealers who don't even bother asking if you're even from that state, let alone whether you're allowed to purchase guns, are a felon, what your name is to track purchases with the serial number and so on.

Federally licensed firearm sellers who transfer firearms without conducting a background investigation of the transferee are violating federal law. Please explain an additional law that would physically restrain such a violation of law.

anecdotally, I spoke with someone Wednesday who walked out of a store with a firearm on the same day. They already had their license (FID something or other) and they do a quick check right at the store. There used to be that 7-day background check / cooling period. If white hat had the license , he could have walked into a store Monday morning and had it in time for the 2:50PM incident.

brapbrapbrap:Is there anyone involved in this operation who can organise a party in a brewery? From the 7/11 robbing terrorists themselves to the idiot cops who let a 19 year old frat-boy get away from them when they'd just shot his brother through to the authorities who have basically imposed martial law and still took 8 hours to "sweep" 60% of a street...the whole thing has been a shambles.

The US needs to ditch that stupid law and let special armed forces deal with shiat like this. The whole thing would have been over 14 hours ago if that was the case. That whole street would have been "swept" within 20 minutes too and we could have all moved on with our lives.

Ranger677:I do not know why everyone is assuming that the older brother was the leader just because he is older. The kid seems to be doing rather well on his own, which would make me think that he is not so much the follower but the leader

He's also cold enough to push his dying brother out of the car and run over him to get away.

bdub77:This is a crazy long manhunt. Can't believe he escaped the authorities in a chase, especially as wanted as he is. I also can't imagine he got out of the area given the police presence. Probably dead but who knows.

Two things helped his escape after the initial shootut: The IEDs he was dropping behind him which slowed the on-the-ground police and the fog which made it impossible for the police helicopter to track him visually.

Born July 22, 1993, according to Williams, Tsarnaev attended Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, has a Massachusetts driver's license, and has been in the country for around a decade. CBS reported that he became a naturalized U.S. citizen on Sept. 11, 2012. He is a registered student at UMass Dartmouth, according to the school, where he lived in a dorm. The school was evacuated at 10 a.m.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.

Anthracite:Mike Chewbacca: Tman144: Mike Chewbacca: serpent_sky: FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

My guess is he's long gone, or he was injured last night and is dead. It seems that nobody has any idea where he is.

I agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You know what? Those guys were throwing grenades and dropping IEDs all over town. I know, because I was up all night listening to it play out on the scanner. This isn't a normal bad guy on the run. This is a guy trying to kill and hurt as many people as possible before he gets killed.

Except for that guy whose SUV they stole.

He escaped on his own, he was not let go.

And if the guy had a concealed carry they would not have knees and we would not be having this conversation.

Or more than likely the guy would be dead after he went for his gun and they shot him.

Mr Guy:fireclown: bowtiesheep: hutchkc: Abzzstain: So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

If they are searching house to house, they knock on the door and ask to search. The people are allowing it. The cop casually walks through your house just to see if there is someone there. Had that happen a couple times. They spend all of like 2 minutes in your house. Not unconstitutional and they don't care about jack shiat except the person they are looking for. The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a <b>bowel</b> when they went through. Not a word about it.

Hands-down nastiest thing I've heard in the last hour

What if you say "no"?

If you say no you'd damn well not better have been smoking a bowl when they knock.

and heaven forbid that you're cooking munchies in the pressure cooker.

Anthracite:And if the guy had a concealed carry they would not have knees and we would not be having this conversation.

That is total BS macho talk. If you have two dudes who are both pointing guns at you, you are not going to draw on them and win. If he had concealed carry and chose to draw, he would have been another dead body left in their wake. Just like the couple of armed police officers who have also been shot in this rampage, just having a gun doesn't mean the good guy wins and the bad guy loses. He didn't have a gun, and he lived. End of story.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Plain and simply it is not a police state. It is a request at this time, that is all.

Yeah except when people have tried to come out, like say to walk their dog they have had guns pointed at them and have been demanded to go back inside, not really a "request" if you ask me...

There's a known bomber who has killed and is armed to the teeth that could be anywhere in the city right now, and you're making a big deal about the police keeping people in doors? It's obviously being done to keep people safe and prevent any more casualties, but all you can see is "POLICE STATE STEPPIN' ON OUR FREEDUMS."

Moral and ethical absolutism is the arena of idiots and fanatics-just like the guy the police are protecting their citizens from.

Wow, so by questioning simply the legitimacy of the way the police are handling and operating (Not whether the should or not, MIND YOU) I have managed in your eyes to be as fanatical as the bomber himself? Jebus christos man, settle the fark down and think about the rational concept I am getting at.

Tatsuma:links136: i'd like to know how the NDP could be worse than Harper

Canada has the strongest economy in the G8, so I'd say he's doing pretty good.

Clearly you must have no idea what your talking about, being he's doing everything he can to destroy it. Deregulating, advocating sub-prime mortgages, pushing austerity causing a slight recession, cutting solider pay, raising administration pay, robocalls, lying about f-35, i could go on and on the clusterfark he is and how much canadians hate him. Even JT would win against him right now.

What you mean is you can thank the liberals for keeping banking regulations so strong despite strong US pressure. Every time you post you make it quite clear you have no idea what your talking about.

Ranger677:I do not know why everyone is assuming that the older brother was the leader just because he is older. The kid seems to be doing rather well on his own, which would make me think that he is not so much the follower but the leader

I think a large part of his success is down to his youth. We're not talking about some bearded Mullah straight off the boat from Islamabad, the geezer is a westernised child of our generation and let's be honest, we'd all fancy our chances of a game of hide and seek in a entire city against some fat Americans. If the SEALS were after me, I'd just put a bullet through my head and get it done with but against these chumps...I'd take my chances just like this kid is seemingly doing.

brapbrapbrap:Is there anyone involved in this operation who can organise a party in a brewery? From the 7/11 robbing terrorists themselves to the idiot cops who let a 19 year old frat-boy get away from them when they'd just shot his brother through to the authorities who have basically imposed martial law and still took 8 hours to "sweep" 60% of a street...the whole thing has been a shambles.

The US needs to ditch that stupid law and let special armed forces deal with shiat like this. The whole thing would have been over 14 hours ago if that was the case. That whole street would have been "swept" within 20 minutes too and we could have all moved on with our lives.

Hey everyone, This guy is right. We should abandon 500 years of common law and put the military on our streets because one guy is on the loose.

lennavan:dletter: Doesn't that make it more of a "private seller"/"Irresponsible gun dealer" loophole, not a "Gun Show" loophole?

No, because the fact that it's at a gun show is what legalizes it. Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun dealership = illegal. Irresponsible gun dealer at a gun show = legal.

You are mistaken. Transfer of a firearm by a federally licensed seller without a criminal background check of the transferee is a federal crime regardless of where the transfer occurs.

If you believe me to be in error, then please explain, specifically, how an exception to the requirement to conduct a criminal background investigation of a prospective firearm purchaser when at a gun show is derived from federal law.

Because of the high amount of traffic (and to give our servers a break) we are going to be closing this thread and directing everyone to the new Boston discussion thread over at http://www.fark.com/comments/7708547