Originally posted by the cool gutWell, no, but his lungs would have collapsed pretty fast.

Speaking of lungs - why does Darth Vador have a resperator? His lungs didn't look like they could have been badly damaged?

Speaking of which, I don't know why Darth was so cocky when he met Obee 1 in a new hope, knowing that last time they met Obee fuckin' P8WNED him.

Yeah some scenes need new dialog now...

Darth Vader: "When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the Master."

Ben Kenobi: "*cough!* <laugh>...I'm...I'm sorry, but did you just say when, when you - left ME? <wipes tears> What the Force are you talking about? I effing destroyed you, mate. <turns off light saber> Hey Artoo! Come here! He says HE left ME!" (Artoo hoots in the distance)

Vader: *sigh*

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"Your father wanted you to have this when you were older..."

Should be:

"I amputated your father's arm and legs in one move of my lightsaber and left him to slowly burn to death in a pit of lava. Then I stole his lightsaber just for shits and giggles. Here, it's yours now. Now the hell with your adoptive parents, instead, take me to Mos Eisley, sell your speeder, come to Alderaan with me, to join the religion your father despised, and hopefully you can later kill him. There's a good boy."

"The Roots of Violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, politics...

Originally posted by sunilramanthat was the nice twist in episode 3. darth getting his ass majorly kicked. obiwan, you sly devil you, with your 'oh, i could never be as powerful as you, blah blah blah...'

When you think about it, obi wan lying to luke was all just a scheme on obi wan's part to coerce luke into becoming a jedi. Once he started luke down the path he knew luke wouldn't turn back, so that once he learned the truth he'd confront vader. That said, such manipulation is an awfully sith thing to do. Shame on you Obi-wan

Originally posted by Wrong RobotWhen you think about it, obi wan lying to luke was all just a scheme on obi wan's part to coerce luke into becoming a jedi. Once he started luke down the path he knew luke wouldn't turn back, so that once he learned the truth he'd confront vader. That said, such manipulation is an awfully sith thing to do. Shame on you Obi-wan

Originally posted by sunilramanwell, sith and jedi - just two sides of the same coin

Yea, this is something that I kinda wish had been explored some more. Episode 3 really opened that idea up somewhat, and when you look back on episode 1 and 2 you think like "damn, those 2 movies were through the rosy glasses of the jedi"

When it comes to it though, a jedi isn't above doing any of the same things a sith might do, but their reasons are different. Selfish vs selfless and all that. it would have been nice if they had introduced that aspect in episode 2, and gone into depth with it in episode 3.

Basically what I'm saying is, Jedis have always been the perennial 'good guy', but episode 3 kinda changes that, makes them more human, and that, for me, is one of the reasons I liked episode 3 so much.

Originally posted by Wrong RobotYea, this is something that I kinda wish had been explored some more. Episode 3 really opened that idea up somewhat, and when you look back on episode 1 and 2 you think like "damn, those 2 movies were through the rosy glasses of the jedi"

When it comes to it though, a jedi isn't above doing any of the same things a sith might do, but their reasons are different. Selfish vs selfless and all that. it would have been nice if they had introduced that aspect in episode 2, and gone into depth with it in episode 3

Basically what I'm saying is, Jedis have always been the perennial 'good guy', but episode 3 kinda changes that, makes them more human, and that, for me, is one of the reasons I liked episode 3 so much.

well, i think its a nice 'maturity' thing for us all that grew up with star wars, and the spiritual message of it as well

palpatine is like the most evil dude in the galaxy but he certainly showed compassion in caring for anakin when his best friend, brother, mentor, and fellow jedi left him for bantha (er... lava) fodder

i think episode 1 and 2 is to get a whole new generation of kids into star wars stuff, episode 3 is for us 'adults' to see a new and different aspect to star wars after A. we wrote off episode 1 and 2 and B. we thought we knew everything about star wars by watching ep 4, 5, 6 like a million times....

Originally posted by sunilramanwell, i think its a nice 'maturity' thing for us all that grew up with star wars, and the spiritual message of it as well

palpatine is like the most evil dude in the galaxy but he certainly showed compassion in caring for anakin when his best friend, brother, mentor, and fellow jedi left him for bantha (er... lava) fodder

i think episode 1 and 2 is to get a whole new generation of kids into star wars stuff, episode 3 is for us 'adults' to see a new and different aspect to star wars after A. we wrote off episode 1 and 2 and B. we thought we knew everything about star wars by watching ep 4, 5, 6 like a million times....

and still, the mystery evolves...

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Yes! this is something I noticed when I saw episode 3 for the 2nd time.

I was driving home and I realized "holy crap, it's a good thing that episode 1 sucked!"

Episode 1 was so over the top, so silly, so childish, ridiculous and inane. It's painful for me to watch. But, that crapfest, makes me appreciate episode 3 so much more. It makes episode 3 a lot stronger, and by proxy, episode 3 makes episode 1 stronger... though I wouldn't want to watch episode 1 again

Originally posted by sunilramanpalpatine is like the most evil dude in the galaxy but he certainly showed compassion in caring for anakin when his best friend, brother, mentor, and fellow jedi left him for bantha (er... lava) fodder

Jeez, that wasn't compassion. If that's "compassion", then every child molester out there is "compassionate". Palpatine was just coaxing and cultivating Anakin for his own nefarious goals. There was zero compassion. It was all destructive selfishness. He was seducing him, literally.

"The Roots of Violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, politics...

Originally posted by Wrong RobotYes! ........ though I wouldn't want to watch episode 1 again

over the next several years, my guess is that just like bands and stuff post tracks for fans to 'remix', Lucasfilm might finally give in to the fanboy brigade and provide such facilities too... well maybe it's a bit too optimistic but people will be doing it anyway, johnq being one of those first in line

Originally posted by MacCrazyno because lando system was before the births!

or maybe there was never any lando system... and yoda got pissed off with obiwan because he's like, you were able to find a missing planet making the clone army by studying gravity wells and you had full access to the jedi temple and archives and starcharts and sh1t and you ask me a dumbass question like "Lando system? huh?"

oh man its 7am where i am now, i woke up at 6am, f9ck it i'm going back to sleep my posts are getting more and more off-tangent.

Originally posted by johnqEdit it non-linearly and throw in the Boba Fett animated segment from the Christmas Special, and I'll buy it. Oh and bloopers in the credits.

all of natalie portman's scenes will be chopped from 1, 2 and 3 and go into the blooper reel.

*sigh* a younger jodie foster would have been perfect for episode 3. i LUVVED her in contact. a bit too geekily intense a character, but a brilliant actress.

natalie portman :

oh and i would re-dub grievious with the cool "english-villian-accent" he had in clone wars animated series.... umm because... only the villians with crisp british accents are good villians... or new-england-east-coast-type well-enunciated north american accents ala james earl jones' Vader.

edit ( i swear i'm going back to sleep soon) Palpatine, that sly devil, probably told the medical droids when they were fixing him up... "for heavens sake please give him a decent accent instead of his whiny young adult one"

Originally posted by sunilramanand the jedi council, qui gonn and obiwan weren't doing the same thing?? albeit of course for 'light side' purposes.... <yodavoice>hmmmm?</yodavoice>

You can only take that Jedi/Sith relativism so far (as in the real world).

I do not buy the argument that Sith and Jedi are purely arbitrary choices.

Now, the Jedi as depicted, DID make huge mistakes. They were not nearly nurturing enough from the start. They criticized him far too abruptly, to his face. (And all the Chosen One talk in his presence! Stupid.) When someone is stubborn or impatient, telling them so to their face only solidifies it. Instead you need to create exercises around them, craft their experience so that they can see what your are teaching them is true and has value to them. That's not to say you can't criticize or punish, but doing so without any underlying framework just makes monsters.

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Originally posted by sunilramanspeaking of the seduction part, not to say that i wasn't disturbed and there were some strong paedophilic connotations, with palpatine looking a bit like a dodgy old codger... \

In the balcony seats no less. Downright Victorian.

"The Roots of Violence: wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, worship without sacrifice, politics...

Speaking of the Episode 2 bar scene. One thing that I would change, given the opportunity, is the music in that scene. Lucas totally had a chance to create the next generation's 'cantina music' but all we got was boring atmosphere filler.

I think I actually heard that lucas specifically chose not to have poppy music there because people would accuse him of trying to recreate the cantina. But screw that, they could have totally had some kicking electro funk fusion in that scene.

It is well documented but oft forgotten that one of Vader's early tasks upon the end of the Clone Wars was to help enforce a unified financial system for the Galactic Empire. Vader's attempts at humor were perhaps a way for him to get used to his new prison of twisted metal and charred flesh.

I could go on in detail, but I'm just too entirely pissed right now. I feel like shooting George Lucas in the head in exactly the same way that the general in South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut did to Bill Gates.

Originally posted by sunilramanjust an idea that came to me last night... spread it with my blessings no crediting required ~ spiders may find me username and all that ~ just say from AppleInsider Forums

Originally posted by johnqYou can only take that Jedi/Sith relativism so far (as in the real world).

I do not buy the argument that Sith and Jedi are purely arbitrary choices.

Now, the Jedi as depicted, DID make huge mistakes. They were not nearly nurturing enough from the start. They criticized him far too abruptly, to his face. (And all the Chosen One talk in his presence! Stupid.) When someone is stubborn or impatient, telling them so to their face only solidifies it. Instead you need to create exercises around them, craft their experience so that they can see what your are teaching them is true and has value to them. That's not to say you can't criticize or punish, but doing so without any underlying framework just makes monsters.

In the balcony seats no less. Downright Victorian.

Yes I must say that I was totally disapointed by this episode. The Jedis lack totally of subtility and intelligence.
Note also that Anakin is supposed to be the strongest : why did he loose against Obi Wan ?
Sidious act like a basket case escaped from an asileum, and has nothing in common with Palpatine (is this a remake of Dr Jekkyl and mister Hide ? )

There is too many weakness in this movie. I preffered the first trilogy : perhaps I am too old.

Originally posted by Powerdoc
The Jedis lack totally of subtility and intelligence.

This is addressed in episode 2 as well as 3. The jedi power has been waning, they are unable to sense the dark side that is growing all around them. What's more, they are blinded by their position. They become arrogant and ultimately useless. The jedi were never ascribed to be a subtle bunch though, that's the sith's job.

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Note also that Anakin is supposed to be the strongest : why did he loose against Obi Wan ?

The whole point about Anakin being the 'strongest' is that he is brash, arrogant, and unfocused. He may have more raw talent and capability than any other jedi, but he doesn't know how to use it, and he's too hotheaded to focus his power. Think about how he lost to obi wan. Obi wan didn't out perform him with the swordplay, Anakin thought that he was more powerful than he was, and he made a foolish jump that gave obi wan a very clear shot at him.

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Sidious act like a basket case escaped from an asileum, and has nothing in common with Palpatine (is this a remake of Dr Jekkyl and mister Hide ? )

Yea, there was a strange disconnect between how he acted as sidious and as palpatine, it was a little much imo, but ultimately, he's obsessed with power, and he's also a master at being manipulative. So he'll act and appear one way, when he's really something completely different. Not too far fetched or unreasonable imo.

Originally posted by Wrong RobotThis is addressed in episode 2 as well as 3. The jedi power has been waning, they are unable to sense the dark side that is growing all around them. What's more, they are blinded by their position. They become arrogant and ultimately useless. The jedi were never ascribed to be a subtle bunch though, that's the sith's job.

The whole point about Anakin being the 'strongest' is that he is brash, arrogant, and unfocused. He may have more raw talent and capability than any other jedi, but he doesn't know how to use it, and he's too hotheaded to focus his power. Think about how he lost to obi wan. Obi wan didn't out perform him with the swordplay, Anakin thought that he was more powerful than he was, and he made a foolish jump that gave obi wan a very clear shot at him.

Yea, there was a strange disconnect between how he acted as sidious and as palpatine, it was a little much imo, but ultimately, he's obsessed with power, and he's also a master at being manipulative. So he'll act and appear one way, when he's really something completely different. Not too far fetched or unreasonable imo.

totally agree. especially sidious/palpatine, that was awesome, pure dark side subterfuge... jedi: yup, episode 1, 2 and 3 is about the fall of the republic and the jedi 'knights' that are supposed to protect it... so story wise i think episode 3 brought everything to bear very well. i'd chop out tons of dodgy bits in episode 1 and 2 though ~ 90% of it

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mace windu ~ went a bit too ballistic when he realised that the supreme Sith lord they have been chasing is right under his nose

obi wan ~ he is a great jedi but his greatest failing is losing anakin to the dark side

yoda ~ the only jedi that shows true wisdom. fesity, but ultimately tries to come to terms with his failure and the collapse of the republic, also, from right under his nose.

i think the epic saga lucas was trying to portray has come to fruition, like i said, if you are willing to let 90% of the dodgy bits in episode 1 and 2 slide.

The thing that bothered me the most was the fact that Mace Windu seemed to have an easier time with Palpatine than did Yoda. I would have thought that to not be the case. Though, I guess I could speculate that Palpatine set the trap to ultimately turn Anakin to the darkside and thus let Mace get so close to killing him....hmmmmmm

Originally posted by ijerryThe thing that bothered me the most was the fact that Mace Windu seemed to have an easier time with Palpatine than did Yoda. I would have thought that to not be the case. Though, I guess I could speculate that Palpatine set the trap to ultimately turn Anakin to the darkside and thus let Mace get so close to killing him....hmmmmmm

by choosing sites anakin made palpatine more powerfull... look at him like a sort of parasite.

Originally posted by garby choosing sites anakin made palpatine more powerfull... look at him like a sort of parasite.

yeah his only purpose is to gain more power... look at episode 6 ~ he rules the galaxy and the rebels are completely f8cked but, no, he wants a new apprentice, he wants luke to kill off wheezing old vader to gain even more power...

yeah the mace windu thing in episode 3 was very well staged to get anakin to his side... with the whole "oh... help me..."