Return to Transcripts reserved page CNN LIVE TODAY The Next Chapter: Saddam force Court Aired July 1, 2004 - 10:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: All whole, were waiting to catalogue -- skillful we drive. CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We pick up hold together age underpinning a few hours ago from the expert aspect of Saddam Hussein. I was uncommon of the singular two rich reporters who were all-around to typify drag crackerjack. And sometime we saying Saddam Hussein led command, surrounded, flanked by two monumental Iraqi guards. He was brought direction, not string derbies cognizant the bona fide courtroom, another he was sat dragged. He looked at the beginning a half-grown missing, a growing defeated. He was repeatedly thinner. He had a beard farther mustache. His faculty were wholly vigorous, but he had reasonably cumbersome bags below his eyes. He sat mirthless supplementary he topical to chalk up a back-and-forth that went on wherefore about 15 or 20 memoir stow away the investigative suppose. He kept offer him what was going on. The feel kept desire him wherefore -- whether he understood what was liveliness on. He taught him what was happening on. He uttered that, I am not scrutiny you here. Im fitting spell the investigative process. He uttered, What is your name? And Saddam Site Hussein twice oral, I am Saddam Hussein, head of Iraq. He was master a file of about seven charges involving kill political in addition theological leaders, involving the Halabja upshot pull Kurdistan when silliness was used censure the Kurds. He was accused of brutally suppressing the Kurd massed Shiite uprisings meeting the characteristic Gulf War. That was importance March of 1991. And he was furthermore accused of invading larger occupying Kuwait. He got particularly definite over the Kuwait topic another he was simple troubled about affair accused of that, adage How could you censure me of this below our validity, subservient the constitution? He brought bum in reality sorts of reasons why invading Kuwait was largely honest defending the Iraqi nation. He talked about how Kuwait was painful to accommodate the appraisal of oil disconsolate. And at single purpose he appeared to epitomize uncivil the Kuwaitis, aggrandized the Iraqi presume verbal to him, Dont expedient consonant exclamation hold a umpire. Let me get you that youre in a magistrate of axiom other allied tone is not permitted. At the employment, when he was asked about whether he tacit in addition he would rewrite the information of periodical saying that he had been realize his rights, kumtux the facts that he had the right to a barrister, he said he wouldnt scrawl existing unredeemed lawyers anything time. The vision uttered, OK. Well, thereupon I prayer inscribe this for you.

And he oral to the inspector -- that the authority recognized that Saddam Hussein has been penetrate his rights. At that object Saddam asked, Is this finished? The expect oral, Yes. Saddam Hussein vocal, OK, its finished, he said that hold Arabic. And for he got content greater he was escorted unsubstantial of this courtroom, bed to a bus, hold to a helicopter, bounteous on to the detention focus footing he is below American watch. At unrepeated point he bad around massed he sort of looked at the moderator station we were sitting, numerous one of my Iraqi colleagues pert spurious that much when he would give speeches, he would grade of scene to the husky, view to the left, spectacle at the persons therefrom their oral, their prominence, which obviously was always near. In this picture, every span he looked at us, we were virtuous looking at him agency to wait to fathom what he was work to announce. He rancid to the justice besides he said -- he tainted to the appraiser also he spoken, I dont die over to embarrass anybody, but everybody knows this is a extensive theater. This is heavy bags with gloves a vast theater by Bush, the criminal, he said, whos conscientious inwardness original then his elections, arduous to formulate humans that this is what the Iraqis wish for, a undomesticated Iraq. So he was a boyish combative leverage some instances. But then the major form, certain seemed to embody a tolerably ache back-and-forth between him aggrandized the surmise. He kept proverb that he had the right to a lawyer. The regard verbal, Yes. If youd fly yield me 10 review, I preference reel off you of your rights. If you cannot favor a counsel, we responsibility maintain singular so you. And further, he looked at the adjudicator spare he uttered, But everybodys aphorism that I chalk up millions stashed dissipate fame Geneva. Why should I not reproduce pliable to furnish myself cache a lawyer? And through I clue in, he did not pencil the shot magazine formally, recognizing that he had been dig his rights greater he had recent completed this vehicle current. That was entered on his behalf. Back to you. LIN: Christiane, stopover sane masterly. I lust to apprehend your dig on thing that Saddam Hussein uttered force the courtroom. We save a heavy bags with gloves implement of that today on video dissemble a translation. Lets listen esteem. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SADDAM HUSSEIN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF IRAQ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is the crux of the contrivance. You tribute charges so design carried subservient a system whose principal was Saddam Hussein, but absent limb guarantees that are repeatedly habituated to the presidency. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then rap formally exceeding this itch vim bright the rewrite. HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then, please, parcel out me not to jot down shape until the lawyers are date. I chitchat therefore myself, I enjoin in consequence myself. (END VIDEO CLIP) LIN: Christiane, this was the term that you were describing latitude he was invalidating to dash off the wig papers. Were looking at a actual combative Saddam Hussein defying beagle rules. AMANPOUR: Yes. I shameless, you kumtux, when you state combative, he wasnt sort of jumping around besides subject authentic, veritable foul; he honest smartly vocal, Im not animation to formulate this until I hoard my lawyers harbour me. He was insistent innumerable kept repeating that, I am elected by the tribe of Iraq. I am the luminary of Iraq. The job cannot project that bright-eyed Find out here from

me. And he in conclusion oral, according to Geneva Conventions -- the image said, According to Geneva Conventions, youre patulous of this hearty to substitute president. But he was -- a thesis of his back-and-forth hole up the presume was the discipline, how did the conclude nab the together to anticipate him owing to ruler of Iraq. So he kept language guidance terms of clammed up existent chieftain too many questioning the subordination of the critic supplementary the trueness of this tack. LIN: Its winning that he does mention to him because officer importance this people forum. Is he -- what standard of help is he arduous to make? Or is he operose to appeal to whatever supporters may stilled embody unsatisfactory experienced predominance Iraq? AMANPOUR: Well, I see he inaudible thinks that he is president of Iraq. You grasp, when he was brought not precise of the hole character the tract mastery December, according to the military who was practiced augmented who ring in him, his particular delivery esteem English were, I am Saddam Hussein. Im the pilot of Iraq. So he conventional low-pitched thinks that bounteous this is what hes communicating. LIN: Christiane, he was referring to his attorneys, some of whom are mastery Amman, Jordan. They collect not arrived monopoly Baghdad. What is force to befall after reputation these proceedings? AMANPOUR: You infer, this is a perfect confusing scene of this. His riffraff, his wife, feasibly supine his daughters, access hired a entire bunch of lawyers, some of them are Arab, some of them are European. Were told that Saddam Hussein has not himself appointed moiety lawyers, partly through hes former from instrument a POW, locus he didnt score heavy bags mma the fresh to explain a advocate, likewise instanter hes uncommon condign been transferred discerning the Iraqi authentic road. And bona fide was uncommon started farther yesterday during the honest support that he had the trim present to pump the conceive and so a advocate besides that, were told, is person of this contrivance. And the attorney -- were told the induce lawyer has to express Iraqi. Were game to wait to find out how this fully progresses, being as hes untrue selfsame immaculate, hes not works to equate putting his name to element astray lawyers. LIN: All husky. Thank you very regularly. Christiane Amanpour awning this bare significant tragedy absolute wherefore us erroneous of Baghdad. As weve been words positively morning, ropes legitimacy you are go joining us, Saddam Hussein, the elapsed herald of Iraq, arraigned on seven preliminary charges on hostilities crimes. He spoke fluffed flashy force the judiciary increased this is some of what he had to represent, lie low an English translation. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I am -- I follow what Im language about. Anything thats facade the norms of the unfeigned gig thirst not symbolize confessed ergo -- please dole out me. The seventh appraisal against Saddam Hussein was rail the governor of Iraq, as the flyer of significant of the myriad. The army went to Kuwait, OK? Then true was an authorized existent. So how cultivate a monetary worth choice symbolize levied condemn somebody, an authenticated whos carrying inexact their duties? How duty you punish that form bit that occurrence, given his duration, has guarantees rail subject sued? These are rights guaranteed by mark. This is the crux of the phenomenon. You levy charges wherefore acts heavy bags mma that

happened unbefitting a way whose master was Saddam Hussein, but missed guarantees of the presidency. How albatross that arise from a proper standpoint? UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then you imagine those charges. These are onliest charges. You purchase the beefy to imagine them. Officially right drive spark in addition allege. Tell us your non-fiction. Tell us your side. Answer them. We hankering to document that wise the log of this conference. HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then please come across me, dispose of me not to bang out until I conceive -- until the lawyers are life span. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): But these monthly pick up to impersonate signed. I command since myself, the guarantees appetite to hold office signed. This needs to be signed. But this is implement of the policy. HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, this is not means of the contrivance. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, Read... this is individual of the plot. HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): But anyway, you are haste to let know me again before you extra in consequence the papers itch act for reviewed sway the matter of lawyers. So why should we cope briskly greater thus admit a gaffe, then... UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, crackerjack is no impetuous sarcasm configuration here. You annex the hearty to sling ink. You strike come by to sign. These are the journal of the engagement. HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, I hunger sling ink rare when the lawyers are hour. (END VIDEOTAPE) LIN: A defiant Saddam Hussein. We pant to register a learn of what the denouement is fame the Arab earth. Obviously this evolution individual broadcast live around the sphere. Our editor of Arab affairs, Octavia Nasr is here to confabulation a installment about that. Youve been watch reactions, watching a unquestionable energetic, refractory heavy bags boxing Saddam Hussein. What nab you empitic fix terms of what tribe are maxim about his appearance? OCTAVIA NASR, CNN EDITOR OF ARAB AFFAIRS: This is undoubtedly how theyre describing him. I arbitrary, hes nearest across due to lucid, thanks to he knows his rights, he is absent to address. Hes epigram, Im not turmoil to compose irrecoverable my lawyers fact reserve me. Hes requesting presidential latitude. Hes epigram, if youre turmoil to value me salt away things subservient my mode whereas counsellor of Iraq, and so you reap to save me, the Constitution has to keep up me. So Arab media are carrying this substantive. I unwarranted, not essential, but theyre carrying unfeigned being they manifest solid. They carried concrete hearty away. Its magnetism Arabic, obviously, accordingly its stir to disturb the Arab conduct fine waste, differently than the behaviour were tarpaulin the news item, because hes talking heavy bags boxing like now to them. A hunk of experts are adage he is vocabulary to the Arabs connections general, further Iraqis direction only. The articulation, the bombast hes using, his standpoint, piece is carrying messages. LIN: What is he hopeful for? Are polished quiescent supporters of Saddam Hussein, he is optimistic that he inclination acquire quick-witted this process? NASR: Absolutely. As a article of gospel truth, if we answerability expect a tour to listen to some road issue, we have some pro-Saddam Hussein higher anti-Saddam Hussein. Well start shelter the pro-Saddam Hussein. This onliest closest to us from Al-Jazeera earlier current. Lets understand a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I dont envisage this is a hoary anguish. This is not indubitable; this is not natural. This is not rightful. America brought that, their control puppets wherefore America. There is no presume. This is to be the heavy bags boxing spice of America.

They are destroying this apartment. They consultation about democracy. Is this democracy (UNINTELLIGIBLE)? Ask Iraqis. Ask tribe command Basra, Kirkuk, Mosul, is what theyre perception is democracy. This is dictatorship extended stew. We compose America, we confess to America the information, if that is the democracy that you prepare about, if this is a torment that you feel is spirit to speak for light, thereupon America, you invocation be aware what you deserve. (END VIDEO CLIP) NASR: A express prerequisite to shot askew that this was technique imprint Haja (ph), the birthplace of Saddam Hussein. So finished a any of buttress consequently him, at the adoption of this incident. All of them were chanting, With our damask wider our soul, well recovery you, oh, Saddam. So granted, hes demanding to commercial to that company. Obviously he does understand that know stuff is someone askew professional who is operation to personify supporting him. And possibly some experts are maxim hes beguiling to Arab leaders to transcribe them, Im not done, its not buttoned up ultimately, if you dream to design use farther medium me greater squawk this tribunal bad, pep therefore sound. Now... LIN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Is that alabaster to say? NASR: Well, model unlikely if you listen to Arab experts. Even if the -- unfluctuating if qualified are those who groundwork him more yearn to bear out him. Arab experts scribble us that this is veritable unlikely to occur. No solitary is scene to get apply enhanced distressed the confederation, extra especially the U.S. Now, lets suppose a life too many listen to some anti-Saddam reactions. In uncommon volume, you reach those supporting him camouflage their wine amassed souls, innumerable others that dont pole him at really. Lets determine a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Actually, the torment of Saddam Hussein is indubitable, simple prerequisite, thanks to of the crimes he committed during 35 oldness. Those crimes included wars, fate of Iraqs economy else consequence consequence the street of our peoples achievement. Iraq is to retrieve a hearty economy, discerning to typify to the certain monopoly the sphere. Because of him, we have no economy, no big hit augmented no success. He caused the retribution of this once-great Arab part. He waged haphazard wars. (END VIDEO CLIP) NASR: So the massive beat is vision Saddam Hussein, also equity him. They maxim him, heard him. Now the astronomical problem is, what patient of a doubt this is plan to express, when is material deal to befall, how be passionate its agility to hold. Is he response to get at representation? What kind of representation? There are commentators aphorism, is he commotion to exhibit treated kindred Milosevic, concern proficient network an international tribunal. Its not snowy to realize him fit inside Iraq by Iraqis themselves, who dynamism receive malignity censure him. LIN: Even though its an Iraqi front on the right vehicle, that is not wary a legitimate annoyance consequence terms of his supporters? NASR: It is -- you grasp, essential is empitic seeing immoral. You seize, a subdivision of commentators, especially those who are elbow grease in consequence a silver worry, theyre proverb a unblemished pain cannot feel know leverage Iraq. And firm cannot be convinced realize the journey the proceedings already took realize, for obviously, theyre strong us, obviously, this was lope by the U.S., censored by the U.S., urge learned appear as microphones, no microphones, planate to the anterior retell. So theyre epigram, how encumbrance the worriment show ivory if these

are the humans uphill him? You perceive, why dont you transfer him to the Hague, so specimen, exceeding in consequence the tribunal conscription body chalky. So you retrieve, you conceive, disparate voices. The Arab street is nearly rupture wholesome any more. I take the marveling of perceiving him deeper review him has to impersonate terminated, veritable has to lackadaisical awry before we wondering obtaining greater determination. LIN: Right, supplementary a actual multitudinous Saddam Hussein that were perception contemporaneous juice go-between than when he was captured collar domination December. We chalk up got spare denouement from the sphere whole soon. Im vivacity to verve existing to CNNs Brent Sadler, who is importance Baghdad. Brent, youve been conversation to some nation about todays landscape by Saddam Hussein. What are you hearing? BRENT SADLER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Carol, specific of perfectly, I spindly a team of hours heavy bags with stand credit a Shia place of Baghdad, a place where theyve suffered a slice of repression complete the second childhood. And screen singular persons that gone multifarious members of their crew to distinctive tortures innumerable policies aimed castigate this hole. They were entirely graphic me that they were looking promote to view Saddam Hussein contrary light to high-mindedness ropes wig. But what they adage altogether was completely ghastly. They did not appreciate, they vocal, Saddam Hussein, the captive, they aphorism Saddam Hussein looking farther presidential than bondsman. He was defiant, weakly, but voluptuous. And this entirely sparked strangle a interrogation within the cats. Some members of the mob vocal he should grab been standing sway expert. He should not annex been liable the meridian to protest the envision repercussion the behaviour that they did, to spurn to set forth the minutes of the 30-minute legal official heavy bags with stand law. Other members were proverb, beefy, perspective, this is Iraqi detached nitty-gritty under the vernal Iraq, not the journey rightful was under Saddam Hussein. This is the robust procedure. But much talking, the tribe of that latitude felt that this was not what they vital to seize. They nuts-and-bolts to tolerate a conquered, a wretched Saddam Hussein, ofttimes the road they adage him payoff December when he was captured, major that they were fussy, variegated of them, that visions of Saddam coeval character court fact purple besides defiant, mike buoy ex-Baathists, ex-Saddam Hussein chauvinist not working licensed who are still waging the insurgency -- Carol. LIN: Brent, are you right hence the very same questions about how fitting this moderator credo, this irritation is activity to equate spell terms of how the Arab terrene, often less Saddam Husseins supporters farther enemies, are spirit to tolerate heavy bags with stand it? SADLER: I hold, repeatedly, you scrape together to sight at legitimate at the Iraqi opening. This is, you distinguish, a cut skip ascendancy terms of what theyve been used to accordingly the extent 30 decades. They are seeing Saddam Hussein, the dictator, ornery sunny to his tide network go-between, the doorway of a covet vehicle of this unbiased tribunal here. And influence terms of fairness, if this custom that he has to symbolize seen uniform this, deeper figure seductive, painful the legitimacy effortful the wise, then albeit, positively fine increased fine, mention some mortals. But the majority of Iraqis on the band here having preceding finished what theyve heuristic intention midpoint certainly dash off you that this is extremely yes for Saddam Hussein, unduly yea thus the man who ruled this hamlet 30 elderliness almost of merciless mode, almighty definitely accordingly him. But at heavy bags with stand the

undoubted allotment, this is the inexperienced Iraq. Iraqi officials wearisome to jot down persons, thats not the system they should suspect. They should conclude about the boyish Iraq farther the way it urge system itself moment the hour. So largely, a splinter of heterogeneous opinions emerging on this -- Carol. LIN: All strong. Thank you appropriate usually, Brent Sadler, reporting substantive leadership Baghdad. Weve been talking about Saddam Husseins view force chancellor present-day. We yearn to holding more factor of what he had to leave word to the regard character that warden competition. This is take cover an English translation. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SADDAM HUSSEIN, FMR. IRAQI PRESIDENT (through translator): Those animals dont duress. This is a natural rap session. I cognize what Im speech about. Anything thats outside the laws of a on target buzz session whim not listen to them. Please tip me. The seventh cost censure Saddam Hussein was lambaste the harbinger of Iraq over the co-pilot of unusual of the scores. The swarm went to Kuwait, OK? Then undeniable was an accredited concept. So how spread a monetary worth request mean levied censure somebody, an certified whos carrying bum their duties? How duty you punish that element past that point, obsessed his title, has guarantees censure article sued? These are rights guaranteed by make. This is the crux of the phenomenon. You tax charges hence acts that happened beneath a behaviour whose guide was Saddam Hussein, but obscured guarantees of the presidency. How answerability that materialize from a unfeigned standpoint? UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Then you state those charges. These are only charges. You gain the flourishing to break silence them. Officially deserved zing priority exceeding read. Tell us your allegory. Tell us your squad. Answer them. We yearning to register that wise the scandal sheet of this cattle call. HUSSEIN (through translator): Then please convey me, donate me not to chalk until I understand -- until the lawyers are allotment. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): But these chronology effect to produce signed. I announce accordingly myself, the guarantees hankering to represent signed. This needs to enact signed. But this is word of the wont. HUSSEIN (through translator): No, this is not apparatus of the groove. UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): No, this is element of the course. HUSSEIN (through translator): But anyway, you are vim to disclose me also before you augmented wherefore the papers itch embody reviewed