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True, but would this not also be the case for Se? Anything out of the ordinary is an opportunity for new experience, which is actively sought out.

Se seeks out new experiences that are realistic. They will look at facts. Luffy blindly believes anything told to him that sounds unrealistic and searches for it.

Also true. Although, often his lack of practicality or realistic-ness strikes me as more about wanting to do something because it'd be fun (Se) without much thought to the consequences. I can see Ne and/or Se here.

Yea but even if it's something serious he's still not realistic.

Opponent mentions a fact to indicate that Luffy can't beat him
Luffy: I know but I don't feel like losing
That statement is really intuitive.

Actually, I think he does both. There are instances where he does something that can be interpreted as seeing the end result ahead of time (and therefore having reason to believe things will be ok), or as just lucky irresponsibility (things end up ok because, frankly, it'd be grossly against the tone of the series if they didn't).

When Luffy sees something he doesn't judge it by what he sees. I've not yet seen Luffy make that mistake. Only after things are explained to him does he start judging the situation.
For example:
When Zoro was tied up in the second episode he didn't judge him saying he's a pirate hunter and he's his enemy. He's was being intuitive and took zoro as being a guy he wanted in his crew and not dangerous to him at all despite what everyone else said. Luffy has an ability to see the true character of other people which in my opinion is very ENFP.

I'd argue that that's a trait of people. Chopper, Zoro and Sanji all have their own unique characters, and you type them as Ss (and I agree). Unless you mean something more specific, like a kind of overt eccentricity?

Along the same lines.

It doesn't mean that he's a sensor, but it means he enjoys using Se a lot. If he were ENFP, Se would be expected to be dead last in his order (not that that's something I've ever observed in real life ENFPs; in fact, they tend to be very Ne/Se balanced in my experience).

Of course, if he's ESFP, he uses a lot of Ne, so the point is moot.

One thing that's interesting about Luffy is that he can probably be best described as always seeing things in terms of possibilities (Ne), but possibilities for experience (Se). So he might be a bit of a hybrid, using those two processes together in an idiosyncratic way.

Well, at any rate, I'm happy to concede that I'm not sure he's a sensor.

A main difference between a sensor and intuitive is that sensors pay attention to the facts and details. Although Luffy does use quite a bit of Se, I think he is more Intuitive at heart. He's also got that Intuitive vibe on him.

Not a feeler, I agree, but I'm wondering if it's Ti we see, or Te. Would you estimate her as using Fi or Fe more? I think TeFi fits.

I also think IJ suits better than IP. If she's extraverting anything, its judging rather than perceiving.

What's your take on ISTJ?

Perhaps. I find it hard to type Nami. I'd probably call her more an ISTX.

Oh, I know he cares. They all care; that's probably the series' primary theme.

I think where you're up to will probably be spoilers for me since I don't know Franky yet.

I don't know how much tertiary Fe influences ENTPs, but if it's anything like tertiary Fi in INTJs, there could be room to argue something there.

Then again, 'childish' Te does rather suit him, doesn't it?

The thing about Usopp is that he's an F trying to be a T.

Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche

I' agree to say that Nami has a good Ti, but at the contrary, I see Nami as a feeler: she's very caring and concerned with people and harmony in the group, but very directive and able to logicaly control the situation too in a well-balanced Fi/Te relationship. She's also, and above all, an extraverted sensors, she's totally integrated with the surroundig, want to live the life to the fullest, lives in the present, exploting each opportunies in a concrete fashion. I say she's ESFP.

I doubt she's an ESFP. It's just not her. Perhaps ESTP or ISTP works more for her. I'd go more for an ISTP. If Nami is annoyed by someone she has no problem making the person feel like shit. She doesn't really enjoy others butting into her business and I can't really see her 'socialising' with the crew.
She could be a J for her certain organisation habits. I find her really hard to type.

I think Usopp is an ENTJ. Nerdy, practical, hysterical, obssesed by control.

^ Ryuji is probably right but I like to look at him more of an IXFJ. He's got an N thing going on.
Taiga is an INFP. Definitely an N though if you continue on to later episodes.
Kitamura is VERY ESTJ. Definitely not an N though.
Minori is ENFP. Can't see her any other way

Se seeks out new experiences that are realistic. They will look at facts. Luffy blindly believes anything told to him that sounds unrealistic and searches for it.

I have to admit that I'm not over-familiar with Se in real life; my impression of it is that it can be quite unrealistic and naive, but I could be wrong.

Yea but even if it's something serious he's still not realistic.

Opponent mentions a fact to indicate that Luffy can't beat him
Luffy: I know but I don't feel like losing
That statement is really intuitive.

I don't know why, but that is striking me not as overly intuitive. It's more...well, either just Luffy, or it's P. Maybe EP. I'm not sure. But I do know that there's no way I'd be able to think the same way, unless I did have a reason for believing the antagonist was wrong. My N doesn't result in blind faith in a single conclusion, it results in constant processing and interpretation and prediction.

When Luffy sees something he doesn't judge it by what he sees. I've not yet seen Luffy make that mistake. Only after things are explained to him does he start judging the situation.
For example:
When Zoro was tied up in the second episode he didn't judge him saying he's a pirate hunter and he's his enemy. He's was being intuitive and took zoro as being a guy he wanted in his crew and not dangerous to him at all despite what everyone else said. Luffy has an ability to see the true character of other people which in my opinion is very ENFP.

When Chopper joined the crew, Luffy was surprised to discover that he was a doctor. When asked why he wanted Chopper to join, if he didn't know he was a doctor, his response was 'Cool reindeer'.

This is not intuitively knowing anything about Chopper's usefulness or true nature or anything similar; it's Luffy seeing something cool and liking it because it's cool.

This isn't inconsistent with Ne, but it does seem fairly Se to me. For Luffy, the world is delightfully simple. A Ne-dom would presumably be seeing countless possibilities for Chopper's role in the crew and in future events, and that's not something I think Luffy does very often.

A main difference between a sensor and intuitive is that sensors pay attention to the facts and details. Although Luffy does use quite a bit of Se, I think he is more Intuitive at heart. He's also got that Intuitive vibe on him.

I don't see the key difference as being about whether or not one pays attention to facts and details - I see that as a side effect of a more fundamental difference, being the focus - whether it is on the abstract-theoretical primarily, or the concrete-actual. I don't recall ever seeing Luffy theorise - and the ENFPs I know will dive into theory at any opportunity. They interpret events they encounter through theory and hypothesis. Luffy doesn't do this - he interacts with the world at face value, albeit through his simple, naive framework. Things are as they are presented to him.

Perhaps. I find it hard to type Nami. I'd probably call her more an ISTX.

Yeah, I find nami the most difficult to type, too. She seems IJ, but I can see SP working as well.

Just to let you know Luffy does think. He just doesn't show it. And he thinks towards the future. When I say 'thinks' I mean careful thinking. I'd prove it to you in a later episode but you clearly haven't gotten that far yet.

I never said Luffy doesn't think, or think carefully. Indeed, there's a kind of switch he undergoes when he's fighting a difficult end-of-arc enemy whereby he becomes quite obviously strategic. But that's not overly significant - everyone is capable of processing in all sorts of ways, but MBTI measures preference. I think the most obvious preferences we see in Luffy are toward living life in a Fi-and-Se way, followed by Ne, when he's not in specific situations that require other things of him. And I think it's probably more accurate to guage how people's preferences run when they're not locked in mortal combat.

PM it me if you like, since it's late (?) in the series and possibly better to keep spoilers off the boards.

The thing is, ESFPs think, think carefully, and think towards the future. Saying that any human doesn't is ridiculous. I know that's not what you're saying, but just the fact that he thinks doesn't really disqualify ESFP as his type.