Finally Justice. 60 years late, but finally Palestine is recognized. The fact that the rest of the world believes so as well only proves how out of touch Germany, the UK and the US are.

erm... We (UK) abstained and would have voted yes if we had received some conditions but we didn't so we abstained that doesn't equate to a no... -.-

I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers' flames. Their denizens fading without so much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and raised on the playground is where i spent mosta my days, Chillin out, maxin', relaxin' all cool,An' all shootin some B-ball outside of the school,When a couple o' guys who were up to no good, Started makin' trouble in my neighbourhood, I got in one little fight and my mum got scared, She said 'You're movin with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air!'

Did the UK vote against it? If so Im sure thats a breach of David Camerons power, an overwhelming amount of Brits voted for palestine to be recognized, so basicly (if we voted no) hes not portraying the views of his people, ie have fun at the next election.

Did the UK vote against it? If so Im sure thats a breach of David Camerons power, an overwhelming amount of Brits voted for palestine to be recognized, so basicly (if we voted no) hes not portraying the views of his people, ie have fun at the next election.

The UK didn't vote. Which like you said is pretty much against the will of the country.

Next time we get to vote i'm going to spoil my vote, non of the current parties are worthy.

"Heresy is like a garden weed, it won't stop feeding until you... BURN THE WHOLE DAMN GARDEN WITH A FLAMER, BURN IT, BURN IT TO HELL!!!!!" "Is there a wittle puppy in the garden? ITS A DAEMON! BURN IT!"

But I will answer honestly and try to explain why the US doesn't want Palestine to be official.

1. Lack of real a government, has a terrorist organization as the primary political party.
2. Every time you hear about Israel taking action, your media fails to mention the preceding actions taken by Palestinians.
3. The official stance of the primary Palestinian government officials, and all the Islamic Terrorist organizations is the removal of all non-Islamic people from the middle east. ie they want to kill every Jew.
4. So the US official stance is to never negotiate with terrorists, and known terrorist associates.
5. By recognizing Palestine means terrorists get an official nation.

If it were only that easy. Animosity and hatred would continue against Israel and the US, though not for the same reasons. Their conflict is very religiously motivated. That it's currently happening in that area is just coincidence. Ofcourse, if they did let it all happen, Israel and the US would have a clean slate and any continued aggression against them would make the aggression and fault entirely that of the palestinians and Hamas.

But Hamas will not stop even if Palestine is recognized. I can promise you, without a shadow of a doubt, that they would continue. Their mission is not over until every jewish man, woman and child are dead or dying.

There is no way Hamas, Al Qaeda, or any other fundamentalist Muslim group will even come close to that. For you to even consider that what Hamas says to be an actual threat, shows how far gone the propaganda is. These people are refugees with no jobs, weapons from the 70's era soviet Russia, and no financial connections compared to the west.

In this case, it really does say more than a thousand words. What's so wrong is that with so many people supporting full Palestinian membership, they are still blocked by a tiny handfull of countries. It's simply undemocratic.

Want ACTA? No? Say NO to TTIP! Want GMO's? No? Say NO to TTIP! Want your country controlled by US buisness interests? No? Say NO to TTIP!

This just your opinion man. This shows that the majority of the world more or less considers Israel as a bully with a big daddy issues.

Again, so? Of the 198 member states of the UN less than 15 actually matter in terms of international affairs.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 10:39 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Yirrah

In this case, it really does say more than a thousand words. What's so wrong is that with so many people supporting full Palestinian membership, they are still blocked by a tiny handfull of countries. It's simply undemocratic.

Yes, and international relations is not a democratic playing field. You cannot fault the US for standing on the side of its proxy's interests.

Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

- Thucydides

There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.

In this case, it really does say more than a thousand words. What's so wrong is that with so many people supporting full Palestinian membership, they are still blocked by a tiny handfull of countries. It's simply undemocratic.

If anything it shows how useless the UN is

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 06:44 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Didactic

Because both share a number of foreign policy aims with the US.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 10:39 AM ----------

Again, so? Of the 198 member states of the UN less than 15 actually matter in terms of international affairs.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 10:39 AM ----------

Yes, and international relations is not a democratic playing field. You cannot fault the US for standing on the side of its proxy's interests.

I know Australia and UK are close to Anerica but why would they just not vote no?

israelis just seem in a state of total denial. the world doesnt like what youve done and how you behave as evidenced in a landslide vote depsite israeli/us pay outs and coercion. yet still you dismiss it as everyone else is wrong, you are right. now you are building more illegal settlements in the occupied territories like a petulant child and swing even more opinion against you. wake up, get on with your neighbours and you might get somewhere.

I know Australia and UK are close to Anerica but why would they just not vote no?

Pulling a Pilate and washing their hands of the issue, most likely. Either that or they finally understand the General Assembly is nothing but a circle jerk for tinpot third world countries of no international consequence.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 10:47 AM ----------

Originally Posted by soulcrusher

israelis just seem in a state of total denial. the world doesnt like what youve done and how you behave as evidenced in a landslide vote depsite israeli/us pay outs and coercion. yet still you dismiss it as everyone else is wrong, you are right. now you are building more illegal settlements in the occupied territories like a petulant child and swing even more opinion against you. wake up, get on with your neighbours and you might get somewhere.

There is a difference between denying it, and not caring. Israel's foreign policy is strictly realist; they do what is necessary for the benefit of their state, tempered by the aid they recieve from the United States. Before WWI most of the Great Powers operated under a similar system.

Hence why I find Wilson's legacy truly disgusting.

Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

- Thucydides

There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.

But I will answer honestly and try to explain why the US doesn't want Palestine to be official.

1. Lack of real a government, has a terrorist organization as the primary political party.
2. Every time you hear about Israel taking action, your media fails to mention the preceding actions taken by Palestinians.
3. The official stance of the primary Palestinian government officials, and all the Islamic Terrorist organizations is the removal of all non-Islamic people from the middle east. ie they want to kill every Jew.
4. So the US official stance is to never negotiate with terrorists, and known terrorist associates.
5. By recognizing Palestine means terrorists get an official nation.

Fantastic! And for some reason, people thinking supporting a Palestinian government who murders gay people and suppresses it's women is a step forward in human rights.

Pulling a Pilate and washing their hands of the issue, most likely. Either that or they finally understand the General Assembly is nothing but a circle jerk for tinpot third world countries of no international consequence.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 10:47 AM ----------

There is a difference between denying it, and not caring. Israel's foreign policy is strictly realist; they do what is necessary for the benefit of their state, tempered by the aid they recieve from the United States. Before WWI most of the Great Powers operated under a similar system.

Hence why I find Wilson's legacy truly disgusting.

You contradict yourself. Israel cannot embrace a realist doctrine and and some bygone historical doctrine at the same time. Before WWI world powers were clinging to Colonialism even as it was in decline.

Israel has no foreign policy. Their sheer reliance on the US for diplomatic and military cover has caused any foreign policy to atrophy. Their behavior has driven away Turkey. But Likud likes to claim new relations with Azerbijan as an improvement. Next they will be telling us the the Czech republic is the New Europe. Who need France, Spain and Germany.

You were right to point out the Colonialism of pre-WWI. It failed and the world abandoned it with good reason.

erm... We (UK) abstained and would have voted yes if we had received some conditions but we didn't so we abstained that doesn't equate to a no... -.-

Well to be honest, it was more like a "saving face no".

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 09:03 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Didactic

Again, so? Of the 198 member states of the UN less than 15 actually matter in terms of international affairs.

And out of these 15 that matter, the majority voted for Palastine to be recognised. So, what exactly are you trying to say? or are you afraid to admit that the US and apparently your opinion too isn't popular in the international stage?

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 09:05 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Raidenx

I know Australia and UK are close to Anerica but why would they just not vote no?

The wishes of the public here (as far as I know) was to vote yes, voting no would probably result in some sort of backlash at the current conservative party which is why they choose the middle ground.

And out of these 15 that matter, the majority voted for Palastine to be recognised. So, what exactly are you trying to say? or are you afraid to admit that the US and apparently your opinion too isn't popular in the international stage?

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 09:05 PM ----------

The wishes of the public here (as far as I know) was to vote yes, voting no would probably result in some sort of backlash at the current conservative party which is why they choose the middle ground.

---------- Post added 2012-11-30 at 09:06 PM ----------

It is Didactic being his normal self.

I see. As far as I can tell Americans don't care either way, and only vaguely support Israel. Only Washington cares about serving all of Israel's interest, and the neoconservative minority