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Topic: The Vegans Are On To Us. (Read 4580 times)

The funny thing about this whole mess is to say stop eating honey because bees are trucked all over for pollination contracts. Well actually you would probably stop eating almonds, blueberries, and other pollinated plants and eat more honey. Beekeepers that make a living in this business know the risks of going after pollination contracts for almonds and other plants. Fact is that they can't make enough money off of honey alone to remain profitable. So picking up a jar of american honey would help the bees out by increasing the demand and hopefully the price offered to the commercial beekeepers. Of course this will never happen cause it's easy to just blame the beekeeper and not the powers that be for letting cheap so called honey to be dumped on the market. Someone should give the writer an education before she starts spewing the BS that this article is. I did enjoy that little bit about cell phones. Must have taken the bees 20+ years before the cell phone towers started having an impact on them lol. Never have seen any evidence that bees have any reaction to cell phones other then a beekeeper getting an email on his blackberry saying he lost his or her retirement before working a hive. :evil:

My trouble with this article is the good information in is masked by the inaccuracies and rhetoric.

Large population densities of any single species means trouble, large scale honeybee pollination as in U.S. Almond regions was a disaster waiting to happen. But laying the cause on honey and bees is cart before horse (by a few Parsecs). The other pollinators mentioned the article have been killed off as pests and then honey bees shipped in to fill the gap.

The issue is the economics and therefore regulatory environment that makes it viable to kill off an Ecosystem and then ship in a single species replacement, which surprise surprise then collapses.

Not buying honey isnt going to bring back a destroyed ecosystem.

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If they increased energy bill for your home by a factor of 4.5 would you consider that cruel? If so why are you doing that to your bees?

The funny thing about this whole mess is to say stop eating honey because bees are trucked all over for pollination contracts. Well actually you would probably stop eating almonds, blueberries, and other pollinated plants and eat more honey. Beekeepers that make a living in this business know the risks of going after pollination contracts for almonds and other plants. Fact is that they can't make enough money off of honey alone to remain profitable. So picking up a jar of american honey would help the bees out by increasing the demand and hopefully the price offered to the commercial beekeepers. Of course this will never happen cause it's easy to just blame the beekeeper and not the powers that be for letting cheap so called honey to be dumped on the market. Someone should give the writer an education before she starts spewing the BS that this article is. I did enjoy that little bit about cell phones. Must have taken the bees 20+ years before the cell phone towers started having an impact on them lol. Never have seen any evidence that bees have any reaction to cell phones other then a beekeeper getting an email on his blackberry saying he lost his or her retirement before working a hive. :evil:

If I can get the origin info We are not going to buy U.S. almonds or fruit. And given the latest news that any Honey marked as U.S. we get over here is probably not even from the American continent, We wont be buying that either. Next time I'm in the U.S. I'll see if I can buy a jar of honey at a farmers market and if its the actual bee keeper i'm buying it from I'll make sure I pay the same rate as over here, that will be about $7.50 per lb.

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If they increased energy bill for your home by a factor of 4.5 would you consider that cruel? If so why are you doing that to your bees?

HaHa, those stupid vegans! What does she know? But why stop at mocking them, insulting them, intimidating them, and proposing to take away their 1st amendment rights? Let's round em up and lock em up! Not just the vegans, everybody with minority beliefs! And minority genes!

Give me friggin break. Who's being militant and extreme here? There are facts and opinions. We should be able to discuss facts objectively, but opinions are subjective and people often cling to theirs strongly, readily showing you their ugly side when they disagree. I think it is safe to say as fact that most commercial honey producers (and maybe most all honey producers?) prioritize production over individual animal welfare; doesn’t matter if a few bees die, get lost, eat a suboptimal diet, get sick, whatever, as long as the colonies persist and honey keeps coming in maximal quantities. That woman’s opinion is that such an approach is wrong, the consensus here is that it’s OK. That doesn’t mean she’s stupid; clearly she is a thoughtful person to even worry about a bee. Does she distort some facts and get some wrong? Yep. Is she preachy, telling people what they should do rather than simply stating what she chooses for herself and why? Yep. Is she a hypocrite about animal suffering? Yep. But is she absolutely right that some societal practices (pesticides) hurt bees? Ayep, and I think you agree. Is she right that most commercial beeks place production above individual welfare? Yep, and I think you'll agree there too. Is she right to (try to) air the facts so people can make informed decisions? Yep, whether you like it or not. And does she deserve to be attacked personally for this? Nope. If you want to correct her facts, fine. While you're at it, why don't you point out to her that animals suffer in the commercial production of granulated sugar too (farming/harvest of cane and beets), at least with honey you can grow your own and have control over how it's done if you want. But at the end of the day, opinions are opinions, and she's entitled to hers.

p.s.1 - speaking of facts, there is only one 'nutrient' that you can't get with a vegan diet, and your body makes it anyway.p.s.2 - don't forget that people who manage insects are considered weirdo extremists by the majority of the world.

Does she distort some facts and get some wrong? Yep. Is she preachy, telling people what they should do rather than simply stating what she chooses for herself and why?

so it's ok if you are wrong as long as your intentions are good?

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

... Give me friggin break. Who's being militant and extreme here? There are facts and opinions.... at the end of the day, opinions are opinions, and she's entitled to hers.

Give me a frigging break zip!!! I am not the Blue nose nut case trying to interfeer with or regiment other peooples' lives Alisa is!!!! Facts speak for theirself and are self evident, opinions are deaf mutes.

The trouble with nut cases like Alisa is that she has AN OPINION and even if a fact leaped up out of the ground and bit off Alisa's nose, she could not recognise it as a fact because she is incaple of changing her mind, it is set in stone. So we can truthfully say that her brain is calcified. But the really really scary thing is that she is likely registered to vote. And like any insane person, Alisa will keep on, and on, and on, and on, constantly repeating the same action and singing the the same old hymn, until one day she finally persuades a stupid or else corrupt government official to dance to the brain rotting tune she's humming. Doktor Joseph Goobles PhD, War Criminal, and Nazi Propaganda Minister once said, "If you tell a lie that is big enough, and you tell that lie often enough, soon everyone will believe it." I wish that it was not so, but it is.

Southern Culture on the Skids (SCOTS) are an amazing 3-piece band. If you ever have the chance check them out.

My band covers a couple of their tunes and like them we also have a hot woman bass player, very cool 8-). Not sure where they're from originally but for bookings the address I have is in Chaple Hill, NC. They recently played a gig in Milwaukee so they're still together.

Niiiiccce. Course, it doesn't make conservatives look too intelligent to use this kind of humor.

i don't know. that's what libs usually tell me to do on about the 3rd post of a conversation. ;) had a little contest going once to see how long it would take (not here) and 3 was average.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Sorry luvin', it wasn't meant a blanket statement in this case, I just get a kick out of the picture (even if I do agree :-P ) and don't have the means of changing the wording right now....

It was pointed at the person who called us Nazi's:

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HaHa, those stupid vegans! What does she know? But why stop at mocking them, insulting them, intimidating them, and proposing to take away their 1st amendment rights? Let's round em up and lock em up! Not just the vegans, everybody with minority beliefs! And minority genes!

I'm more than tired of the people preaching tolerance and freedom of speech who are the first to want to take away the speech of those who disagree.

Nobody here said the author needed to be censored. A few not so nice things about her misinformation and conviction. None of us care that she writes that stuff, but we do appreciate the freedom to counter it.

I didn't even see in her article that the vegans should protest honeybee farms. Maybe she isn't tied to PETA or HSUS who would definately have us stop beekeeping.

HaHa, those stupid vegans! What does she know? But why stop at mocking them, insulting them, intimidating them, and proposing to take away their 1st amendment rights? Let's round em up and lock em up! Not just the vegans, everybody with minority beliefs! And minority genes!

You don't think this was tongue in cheek?

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The pedigree of honey Does not concern the bee; A clover, any time, to him Is aristocracy. ---Emily Dickinson

HaHa, those stupid vegans! What does she know? But why stop at mocking them, insulting them, intimidating them, and proposing to take away their 1st amendment rights? Let's round em up and lock em up! Not just the vegans, everybody with minority beliefs! And minority genes!

Are we mocking, insulting toward the author? :fishhit: Sure you can make a case there. Welcoming here? :jerry: No. Reacting to a big part of our lives being attacked in a somewhat ignorant way? :hissyfit: Sure. Intimidating and proposing to take away rights? :jail: That didn't happen, no way. Then that next part is a huge unpleasant stretch :whip:, maybe a bit TIC there. :idunno:

Those were mostly accusations, not tongues in cheeks. :buttkick:

My tongue is usually in my cheek, if that makes it better :devilbanana: