The thing is his whole drunk scene was pretty innocuous. It wasn't that bad because Tony thought he was dying and Black Widow nudged him and said, "hey live a little if you think it's your last birthday ever."

Wow. It´s not what happened there at all. She told him to spend it with whoever he wanted doing whatever he wanted, the subtext being "ditch the party and go find PEPPER". Because in a previous scene on the plane Tony point blank told Pepper he did not want to go home, at all, and asked her to run away to Italy with him instead. He looked pretty sick and miserable while dressing for his birthday, hence the heavy drinking - he wanted to keep pretending everything was OK and it backfired on him.

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some of your responses to that scene are, uh, surprising. never heard anyone anywhere say that they were disturbed in any way by that scene. in fact, most of what ive read/heard points to that scene as being silly and one of the reasons why IM2 was a step down from IM1. Irregardless, did you really think Tony was gonna commit homicide/manslaughter against civilians? He cracked up his house, made an ass of himself and pissed off his friends, full stop.

Those of you who saw a high level of pathos and tension in this scene are either a)rationalizing liking a movie most people arent crazy about or b)are bringing their own baggage to bear.

I would want to add a number 3) we actually happened to have brains, thought about that scene a little, and it occurred to us that that a drunk person might commit homicide/ manslaughter not because he decides to, but because, I don´t know, he is drunk off his ass and does not know what he is doing?

There are several people arguing here that since (drunk) Tony did not think he could miss, and since the (also drunk) crowd did not run away, all was just fine and dandy. Following your logic, drunken driving is OK as long as the driver does not actively plan to hit anyone. Please tell me you don´t have a license.

Tony has a targeting system, no? I never got the impression that civilians were really in danger at that point. If they would have kept egging him on instead of stopping when WM showed up, I think they would have been in danger, though. Pepper and Rhodey ended things before they escalated into disturbing or nightmarish levels IMO.

I do hope that they'll build up his drinking over a few movies before really dealing with, though. But like a couple of you said, kids don't want to see their superheros drunk and unable to save the day

wait people are claiming that Jan is in IM3? is there ANYthing that indicates that this might ne true? because it sure sounds like bad fanfiction.... and goes directly against the Feige 'no cameos' quote.

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wait people are claiming that Jan is in IM3? is there ANYthing that indicates that this might ne true? because it sure sounds like bad fanfiction.... and goes directly against the Feige 'no cameos' quote.

There's an as yet unidentified female character in the movie so of course it's Wasp!

It doesn't have to make any sort of sense for the internet to run with it

I don't think Natasha was saying *anything* specifically. Rather, it was a test, with the goal being to goad Tony into doing *something*. What he chose to do would be the indicator.

Given that his response wasn't "party and get plastered" or "hide in my room getting drunk" or, yes, "hop into bed with Pepper like there's no tomorrow", but "suit up and pilot-while-drunk amidst bystanders," he did indeed fail big time. That's why Nick Fury showed up personally the next day.

wait people are claiming that Jan is in IM3? is there ANYthing that indicates that this might ne true? because it sure sounds like bad fanfiction.... and goes directly against the Feige 'no cameos' quote.

Feige specifically said no cameos from any of the Avengers, she might not be an Avenger yet. We know Radioactive man is in the movie, but he`s not a villain. They may NEED her before Avengers 2, and there are only a certain number of movies they can get in before then... Feige has made reference to the fact that they only have so many movies and and so much time to tell the story they want to tell. it makes a hell of a lot of more sense than introducing a character that may not impact future stories or have as much GA recognition & importance - if they only have certain opportunities to work her in before Avengers 2.

Let`s not forget, Whedon wanted her in Avengers at one point. Things may be able to be worked out with how she`ll be portrayed in Ant Man now, as the planning of phase 2 and 3 has gone forward after Avengers proved a massive success. Prompting the studio to take what Feige calls many risks with how IM3 will give us a nice little soup of things (all the elements and set ups are mixed in well as part of the whole, essential to the whole soup, and a more balanced mixture of things than how Shield & Widow were worked into IM2).

Feige specifically said no cameos from any of the Avengers, she might not be an Avenger yet. We know Radioactive man is in the movie, but he`s not a villain. They may NEED her before Avengers 2, and there are only a certain number of movies they can get in before then... Feige has made reference to the fact that they only have so many movies and and so much time to tell the story they want to tell. it makes a hell of a lot of more sense than introducing a character that may not impact future stories or have as much GA recognition & importance - if they only have certain opportunities to work her in before Avengers 2.

Let`s not forget, Whedon wanted her in Avengers at one point. Things may be able to be worked out with how she`ll be portrayed in Ant Man now, as the planning of phase 2 and 3 has gone forward after Avengers proved a massive success. Prompting the studio to take what Feige calls many risks with how IM3 will give us a nice little soup of things (all the elements and set ups are mixed in well as part of the whole, essential to the whole soup, and a more balanced mixture of things than how Shield & Widow were worked into IM2).

so there are no real facts that indicate Jan is in the movie but an actress whose role we don't know and fanboys with too much time and imagination. case closed. no Jan then. thought so.

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so there are no real facts that indicate Jan is in the movie but an actress whose role we don't know and fanboys with too much time and imagination. case closed. no Jan then. thought so.

Look at it this way, it`s not case closed until we look inside the box and find out the absolute truth. She looks a lot like Jan, but she also looks like other characters.

Schrodinger`s cat is alive and dead at this point.
It very well could be Jan, and as far as I know I`m the only person claiming knowledge that she is...

You`ll have to take that for what it`s worth until you have access to the box, and the people in charge reveal whether or not this particular cat is alive or dead. I`m assuming they won`t reveal her role until it comes out. It seems very significant if they`ve already revealed a lot of the other major characters & pieces that can help us predict how this story will play out.

Right now you only have my word that I`ve caught a glimpse inside the box, but I understand how the internet works.

And that after seeming so likely that the cat might be dead inside that box, the cat might be alive and out of the box.

Look at it this way, it`s not case closed until we look inside the box and find out the absolute truth. She looks a lot like Jan, but she also looks like other characters.

Schrodinger`s cat is alive and dead at this point.
It very well could be Jan, and as far as I know I`m the only person claiming knowledge that she is...

You`ll have to take that for what it`s worth until you have access to the box, and the people in charge reveal whether or not this particular cat is alive or dead. I`m assuming they won`t reveal her role until it comes out. It seems very significant if they`ve already revealed a lot of the other major characters & pieces that can help us predict how this story will play out.

Right now you only have my word that I`ve caught a glimpse inside the box, but I understand how the internet works.

And that after seeming so likely that the cat might be dead inside that box, the cat might be alive and out of the box.

claiming to have inside knowledge without anything to back that claim up is the complete opposite of understanding how the internet works.
I'll give you the benefit of doubt for now, but I can guarantee you, the minute you are proven wrong all hell will break lose. you'll probably get banned too. we've had this situation before on these boards and it wasn't pretty.
so, ok, Jan is in a Schrödinger state of existance right now, but I'll bet you a gazillion internet money that that cat is dead. Feige won't anger Wright and cast an actress that will become Wrights leading actress in Ant-Man without asking him and I find it very unlikely Wright would be d'accord with the actress that is supposed to play Jan in IM3.

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claiming to have inside knowledge without anything to back that claim up is the complete opposite of understanding how the internet works.
I'll give you the benefit of doubt for now, but I can guarantee you, the minute you are proven wrong all hell will break lose. you'll probably get banned too. we've had this situation before on these boards and it wasn't pretty.
so, ok, Jan is in a Schrödinger state of existance right now, but I'll bet you a gazillion internet money that that cat is dead. Feige won't anger Wright and cast an actress that will become Wrights leading actress in Ant-Man without asking him and I find it very unlikely Wright would be d'accord with the actress that is supposed to play Jan in IM3.

100 amens to this.

There are a LOT of reasons why Janet Van Dyne will NOT appear in IM3, but the chief reason is, pure and simple, that she's part of Ant-Man's mythos and the Avenger mythos, NOT Iron Man's. Introducing her in an IM movie disrespects Edgar Wright (who should have "dibs" on her), the Avengers, Iron Man, and the fans, all in the same breath. Feige is NOT going to let that happen. (And we've already had the backlash from similar misplaced cameos for Hawkeye in Thor and Widow in IM2.)

There are a LOT of reasons why Janet Van Dyne will NOT appear in IM3, but the chief reason is, pure and simple, that she's part of Ant-Man's mythos and the Avenger mythos, NOT Iron Man's. Introducing her in an IM movie disrespects Edgar Wright (who should have "dibs" on her), the Avengers, Iron Man, and the fans, all in the same breath. Feige is NOT going to let that happen. (And we've already had the backlash from similar misplaced cameos for Hawkeye in Thor and Widow in IM2.)

Yeah, they are just stills from the trailer. Oh, and by the way it looks like marvel_freshman only posted 2 of the 4 stills (most likely because he felt we had seen them before), but still if people want to see the other 2 stills you can view them at this link below.

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but in the last image I wonder who is holding the badly damaged Iron Man helmet. To me I think it might be Pepper Pots, perhaps this is the moment before she suits up in her Rescue Armor.

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