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Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Yep I am going to hear about this for a long time .........but at least I like players that can actually play unlike some people hero

No, you're hearing about it because it's relevant. You're nagging about us not having anyone big enough to play center. Who could we have signed that could have done that? Oh yeah, the guy you were in love with, Nene. I have a hard time believing those are unrelated issues.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Yep I am going to hear about this for a long time .........but at least I like players that can actually play unlike some people hero

Not sure what that means, but some of us took a different approach to free agency. You were all about Nene at whatever the price was. You zeroed in on him and didn't care about anything else. Others (and I include myself in this group) were looking for upgrades at a good value. West wasn't my first choice, but at the price we got him at, I was thrilled. He's going to help the team, and while he might not be the slam dunk, best possible player we could have gotten, he was the best option we had within the parameters that our front office set up.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

They don't count? What is this, third grade? Of course they count. Unless I've missed something, neither of them is going to miss a healthy chunk of the season. They are missing the first few games of the season against lousy opponents. Big deal.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Not sure what that means, but some of us took a different approach to free agency. You were all about Nene at whatever the price was. You zeroed in on him and didn't care about anything else. Others (and I include myself in this group) were looking for upgrades at a good value. West wasn't my first choice, but at the price we got him at, I was thrilled. He's going to help the team, and while he might not be the slam dunk, best possible player we could have gotten, he was the best option we had within the parameters that our front office set up.

I did not care about anything else? so I am talking about bringing a back up now and someway somehow this is Nene and West related? I am talking about possibly bringing Kaman or JP to back up Hibbert and you guys keep talking about Nene? wtf Nene has to do with all this?

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

That's exactly the point I was making to you. Do you know for sure that they are missing a healthy chunk of the season? I don't know how long either of them will be out, but I haven't seen anything saying they will be out for a long period of time, and you usually hear something like that. Based on what I know (Foster has a back problem, Pendergraph has a knee problem?), they could be day-to-day issues, or longer term. If they are out for a chunk of the season, then I will start worrying about frontcourt depth. You, on the other hand, have jumped the gun and are already obsessing over it.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

That's exactly the point I was making to you. Do you know for sure that they are missing a healthy chunk of the season? I don't know how long either of them will be out, but I haven't seen anything saying they will be out for a long period of time, and you usually hear something like that. Based on what I know (Foster has a back problem, Pendergraph has a knee problem?), they could be day-to-day issues, or longer term. If they are out for a chunk of the season, then I will start worrying about frontcourt depth. You, on the other hand, have jumped the gun and are already obsessing over it.

I'm not jumping the gun I am just suggesting that we should look into getting a back up, how is that hard to understand? do we really expect Pendergraph and Foster to be healthy during the whole year? how about Lou who was hurt for a long time last year? we have 13 players under contract, why not look into getting another big just in case? It was just a suggestion, no need for you and others to get all sensitive about it.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

I'm not jumping the gun I am just suggesting that we should look into getting a back up, how is that hard to understand? do we really expect Pendergraph and Foster to be healthy during the whole year? how about Lou who was hurt for a long time last year? we have 13 players under contract, why not look into getting another big just in case? It was just a suggestion, no need for you and others to get all sensitive about it.

Frensko(?) just signed, so who is still out there to be signed?

Speights or JThompson in a trade? There just isn't much available. Kaaman I highly doubt is available, and if he was at what cost? They want to rebuild with youth and picks. Who are you willing to trade to get him?

To be honest, I believe, regarding BIGS, Bird has decided that my team is on the floor, and hopes to find a b/u Center this offseason barring injuries.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Speights or JThompson in a trade? There just isn't much available. Kaaman I highly doubt is available, and if he was at what cost? They want to rebuild with youth and picks. Who are you willing to trade to get him?

To be honest, I believe, regarding BIGS, Bird has decided that my team is on the floor, and hopes to find a b/u Center this offseason barring injuries.

Solo? and to get kaman yeah I don't know what NO would want for him, maybe just cap space and few second round picks?

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

I really don't get the big stink about having to have two 7 footers. There are probably only 10 legit 7 foot starting centers in the league. That is why you are able to give guys like West, Lou, and Pendergraph minutes at the 5. It's not like every team has a Dwight Howard that we have to deal with.

We'll be fine and I think we can drop the Nene talk too. I'm happy with West and his contract. Nene wasn't worth the money or the long term deal it would have taken.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

I'm not jumping the gun I am just suggesting that we should look into getting a back up, how is that hard to understand? do we really expect Pendergraph and Foster to be healthy during the whole year? how about Lou who was hurt for a long time last year? we have 13 players under contract, why not look into getting another big just in case? It was just a suggestion, no need for you and others to get all sensitive about it.

It's not hard to understand, and you are the only one getting sensitive about it. It's just that you haven't relayed that exact thought very well. It comes off as you sounding preachy about us missing the boat on Nene. Even if you haven't directly said it in this thread, you have made your feelings well known about him.

I don't expect both Pendergraph and Foster to be healthy all year, no. But I don't think we need both of them healthy either. One or the other (preferably Foster) is fine. It only becomes a crisis if they are both out for an extended period of time. Then, we probably need to scour the D-League or trade market for a useful backup.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Foster was listed as day to day before the decision was made to keep him home to work with his physical therapist. It's not like he is heading to Boston to seek help from the specialist again, though that is not an inconceivable event that could happen yet this year. Maybe if that happens, then people can start to scream that the sky is falling...But for now, Vogel will experiment to see who can provide some offensive rebounds when Roy sits down. My guess is that the West/Hans experiment will continue.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

It's not hard to understand, and you are the only one getting sensitive about it. It's just that you haven't relayed that exact thought very well. It comes off as you sounding preachy about us missing the boat on Nene. Even if you haven't directly said it in this thread, you have made your feelings well known about him.

I don't expect both Pendergraph and Foster to be healthy all year, no. But I don't think we need both of them healthy either. One or the other (preferably Foster) is fine. It only becomes a crisis if they are both out for an extended period of time. Then, we probably need to scour the D-League or trade market for a useful backup.

Here is my first post on this thread, "having another 7 footer just in case" means I am mad because we didn't get Nene? I am talking about the back ups and someway somehow you guys get to Davis West and Nene? by the way Nene is not a seven footer so that doesn't even makes sense.

Stupid decision by the Pacers in not having another 7footer just in case, everybody knew Foster wasn't going to make it for the whole season, they got Pendergraph for some reason and he is injured, if Roy gets hurt or in foul trouble we are screwed.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Here is my first post on this thread, "having another 7 footer just in case" means I am mad because we didn't get Nene? I am talking about the back ups and someway somehow you guys get to Davis West and Nene? by the way Nene is not a seven footer so that doesn't even makes sense.

I'm considering the source. It is coming from you, and you have a way of beating the absolute **** out of a dead horse to make sure everyone knows your point. So Nene, right or wrong, immediately comes to mind when you are discussing frontcourt depth. Your unhappiness with David West also does. You ***** about this stuff long enough, and your overall message will get lost. Sorry, just the way it works.

Besides, I responded to that need in my first post in this thread.

Yeah vnzla I don't know why you are making such a big stink about this. We're fine. Hibbert, Foster, Pendergraph, Amundson, and West can all eat up minutes at the center position. Is it ideal having West out there at center? No, not really, but how many centers in the league can truly make us pay for that?

I didn't mention Nene there, either. I answered exactly what you were talking about.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

I'm considering the source. It is coming from you, and you have a way of beating the absolute **** out of a dead horse to make sure everyone knows your point. So Nene, right or wrong, immediately comes to mind when you are discussing frontcourt depth. Your unhappiness with David West also does. You ***** about this stuff long enough, and your overall message will get lost. Sorry, just the way it works.

Besides, I responded to that need in my first post in this thread.

I didn't mention Nene there, either. I answered exactly what you were talking about.

Yeah I think is time for you guys to let that go(unless you are making fun of me ) and nope I am not mad about getting West I am actually coming around and I am hoping he proves me wrong

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Really? A call for Jeff to retire already? What a surprise that it took someone so long to make such a suggestion.

Absolutely! Thirteen seasons is far to quick to rush to judgement about whether a player should retire!

OK, now on a serious note. I think there are some of us who would rather see Jeff retire than further injure his back, perhaps to the point of affecting him for the rest of his life. Chances are that may already have happened. Not to the point of crippling, but enough to give him pain for the rest of his life. If that were to happen it would be a terrible thing.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

OK, now on a serious note. I think there are some of us who would rather see Jeff retire than further injure his back, perhaps to the point of affecting him for the rest of his life. Chances are that may already have happened. Not to the point of crippling, but enough to give him pain for the rest of his life. If that were to happen it would be a terrible thing.

I'll trust Jeff and his doctors to know what the breaking point is for his back before a bunch of lunatics around here.

Re: Mike Wells article from today's star...Foster did not make trip

Anyone else enjoy watching Lou last night as much as I did? Love that kind of bench guy.

I've kept tabs on Lou since he was at Philly. He's just all out energy and hustle. He will sacrifice his body to make a play. He not a stat stuffer, just does the little things that don't show up in the box score. He was constantly setting picks last night for other players, and moving instead of standing around watching n waiting. Fans will appreciate his type of play.