You said it yourself, most of this stuff is 90 balance.
Blizzard uses the time from patch 5.0 till MoP release as testing, the balance for 85 is the least of their worries. It sucks, but the month pre patch is always horribly and amazingly unbalanced.

I remember when Boomkins got their cata talents back in wotlk. Spamming Sunfire gave me 16k dps with no skill required.

Well that sucks. I thought it was supposed to be two weeks before? Ah well. Another week til Theramore then another week til MoP? I can wait.

You do remember what happen on Sept 11th right?....blizzard already has a bunch of hate coming at them for this CRZ from players...you really think they would start up the Theramore event on that date of Sept 11th and risk tons more negative feedback....along with possible hit on the stock prices?

Did we really already need a warlock nerf? -.- it's always the same, than why not nerfing warriors insane aoe dps? and of course we always need a mage buff. To power up already OP mages is always a good idea -.-.. unbelievable.

You should be used to it by now, through times, theres barely been a patcs where Warlocks haven't been nerfed.
Suppose it's still some grudge they hold since back in the days.

First WSG I entered after 5.0.4, ally 4 mages & 2 warriors where spawncamping all hordes, while the rest ran back & forth with flag.

Lets hold the bitching for a while. A pre-expansion patch releases and everyone bitches about who is either OP or nerfed. Blizzard doesnt release a new expansion that increases the level cap, yet worry about how balanced things are going to be at the previous level cap. Level to 90 and see how balanced things are, which is their main focus, before you all get your panties in a bundle.

Yes I know at 90 people will still bitch about their class for some reason, which leads me to ask myself why I am even typing this...must just be out of pure boredom at work.

Meh, who cares, it's a scenario, prob take 15 mins than move on, could release it the night before MoP released. I'm more disappointed that they really don't have anything else planned. At this point I guess it can only get better.

That 400% mage buff has to be a tooltip adjustment. I play arcane and if it really is a buff of that magnitude it'll be insane. I drop a bit on mana at 6 stacks of Arcane Blast (80-85%) but it fills up after clearing stacks. Buffing it that much will let me do mind-blowing damage spamming AB.

Most of this patch is tooltip updates, guys. These changes were mostly already hotfixed to the live servers.

---------- Post added 2012-09-11 at 09:39 AM ----------

Originally Posted by MoonTurky

Wtb ele sham dmg increase...

These new talent trees reduced all our spells dmg severly

Except most of those passive talents that boosted your damage, were baked into your spec as passives?

The game is not balanced around 85 anymore. Spend a few weeks at 90, and then make judgement. And use your actual experience to base it on, not simcraft results (which are a tool, not the balancing benchmark).

Last edited by ZeroEdgeir; 2012-09-11 at 01:39 PM.

Games are not necessarily "easier" today. You are just a better player.
It takes more now to impress many gamers than it did 2-5 years ago, because so much has already been seen and done.
Many players expect to be wow'd with every release of a beloved franchise.
These are generally NOT the fault of the developers, but the fault of many players over-hyping and/or setting expectations too high.

Well I don't think I bitched, and normally when they are just updating the tool tips it says that they are just tool tip updates. Maybe I missed where it says tooltip updates.

Again my issues is about the fact they are reducing hunters/pet dps yet seem to be upping warriors dps as a tank. Unless there is some mad scaling issues with warriors on the way to 90 decrease.. while other classes increase.. ya know it seems odd to my eyes. I've been around since tbc came along and I don't think that's something I've come across.

@Blind, its generally why I type on any wow related forum.. boredom at work. Then I get home and see 612 replies from people who can't understand what I typed and then I facepalm as to why I bothered :P

Well I don't think I bitched, and normally when they are just updating the tool tips it says that they are just tool tip updates. Maybe I missed where it says tooltip updates.

Again my issues is about the fact they are reducing hunters/pet dps yet seem to be upping warriors dps as a tank. Unless there is some mad scaling issues with warriors on the way to 90 decrease.. while other classes increase.. ya know it seems odd to my eyes. I've been around since tbc came along and I don't think that's something I've come across.

@Blind, its generally why I type on any wow related forum.. boredom at work. Then I get home and see 612 replies from people who can't understand what I typed and then I facepalm as to why I bothered :P

Haha, I agree.

My post wasn't singling anyone out, it was more of a general population statement.