I wouldn't say that it is. There are definitely benefits, but there are trade-offs as well. From what I've read, multi-driver speakers often have greater dynamic range, but a less cohesive sound than single driver speakers. I assume that this is true of multi-driver iems as well, though again I don't have the technical understanding to really say for sure.

I think you still don't really understand my problem with the se530. It's not that I only hear bass out of one earphone and not the other. Rather, it's that it sounds like the treble comes from the top of the soundstage and the bass comes from the bottom of the soundstage and then there's a sort-of void in between. Which makes it sound like they're coming from two separate sources, and why it doesn't sound coherent.

In any case, I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on the merits of the se530.

just thought id ping in. maybe what your experiencing is a case of ultimate instrument seperation... its just so good that ur not used to it so it sounds wrong. if theres one thing most IEM's cannot recreate so well its the ability to seperate instruments and create a blackness inbetween each instrument.

i totally understand where your coming from about the music sounding as one and together but some of the best home sound systems in the world have about ten huge seperate speakers each dealing with a certain instrument range. rarely seen but they exist.

sometimes the ability to point out where the sound is coming from is one to cherish. bass on the other hand is bass, its not good to be able to point out where bass comes from, any good subwoofer specialist will tell you that if you cant pinpoint where the bass speaker is in the room then its in just the right place.

I (and posibly others) have reported at least 6/7 of said fake accounts and those new members were soon banned. However, seeing he'd been caught every single time, this time round he started to pretend he'd never owned any IEM's or full-sized headphones to make it a little more difficult for others to spot his lies, inconsistent posts and usual antics. He's tried different tactics and been caught EVERY single time.

How do I know it is indeed 100% Voltag3? I won't give details as he'll no doubt be back again perfecting his fake identities. He's got a little better at it and a few head-fiers who knew Voltag3 have not recognised him, specially the last 2/3 fake accounts he's used.

Some people have been upset and called me names and so on for treating a seeming new member like here on this thread until they saw the new member in question had been banned and turned out to be indeed Voltag3. Voltag3, through some of his fake accounts, would call me a stalker. Some fellow head-fiers kind of apologised, others didn't. It hasn't been pleasant for me to sometimes look like an immature obsessed idiot.

Why am I doing this?

It'd be far too simple to say it's because he has a rather sick love/ obsession for his SE530's and I was less than impressed when I had my own set. If that really was the case I'd be going round every single thread where the SE530's are being mentioned and do my anti-SE530 routine there. In fact I stopped engaging with Voltag3 quite some time before he got banned. He'd bump his own threads for no reason other than just being seen again and have a higher post count. He'd start endless threads to do with the SE530's - there's more on that front but enough of that.

So, why am I doing this?

Mainly because he constantly misled genuine new members who were asking for genuine advise and always pursued his own SE530 agenda, ie getting them to buy the SE530's (or at times other gear) by posting non-stop until reaching a high post count to gain some credibility among new unsuspecting members. He'd use lots of jargon to sound like an expert - he'd just read lots of stuff on different threads/ websites often doing the usual copying & pasting, but he used that so much that he actually began to memorise some of the technical stuff, seeming less like cut & paste and more like he knew what he was talking about.

He'd often put down other gear (mostly IEM's) he'd never even tried but said he had. On some of his fake accounts he even created impressive sigs with plenty of IEM's, headphones & amps he said he owned. As voltag3 he often boasted he'd get soon get the ES3X, then it was the HD800's, lately the JH13's. Of course he never even bought a cheap portable amp.

He upset many people round here (not just me) and openly laughed at internet forums and laughed at the fact that people could ever react to anything said on-line. So, for him places like head-fi (online forums) meant anything goes - who cares as long as no one really knows who you are, you can pretend to be whoever you want.

Some new members would be very grateful that such an experienced and knowledgeable head-fier would devote so much of his time answering all their newbie questions. That became like a drug to him - "Wow, look what I can do (get them to buy the SE530's or other gear, or dissuade them from this or that) and all these newbies ever so grateful!!" He got better at it, but some of us who knew what he was doing were not amused. His misleading game didn't last that long and he was then banned. His SE530 fanboyism lasted much longer, though. The fact is that most experienced & reputable members of head-fi will not even bother to look at such new threads started by newbies asking for recommendations or comparisons.

So, this is my last post here. If anybody has anything to say about this post or the previous ones, better do it via PM. BTW, yesterday I got a PM from Voltag3 (Xeon [09]) asking innocently why I called him Uniqu3 - I didn't reply.

i still think the two of you need a hug and to let the whole thing go.

clearly he cant stand to leave here and let you go and when you see him here you cant stop yourself reacting

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My brief impressions regarding headstage:
T.fi10pro > SE530 > ER4P/S. The T.fi10pro has the most convincing and airy headstage. The ER4P/S sounds a little compressed. That said, the ER4P/S has to be inserted correctly, and I doubt many people take the time to do so.

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The SE530 does have peculiar highs. It's definitely there, but there's a gap in the upper midrange which makes instruments like the violin and flute sound very recessed.

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The dual bore definitely works. As someone mentioned before, I'm also convinced that it is part of the reason why custom IEMs sound much clearer than universal IEMs.

"I had an se530 before I got er-4. My biggest problem besides the rolled off highs was the lack of soundstage coherence. Basically, it sounded like treble was coming from one tweeter and bass was coming from a totally different driver, which it is. My er-4s, on the other hand, has a very coherent soundstage. Is coherence in soundstage a problem with the triple fi as well?"

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Originally Posted by Antony6555

I wouldn't say that it is. There are definitely benefits, but there are trade-offs as well. From what I've read, multi-driver speakers often have greater dynamic range, but a less cohesive sound than single driver speakers. I assume that this is true of multi-driver iems as well, though again I don't have the technical understanding to really say for sure.

Are we talking about something you have read, something you hear, or something you think you hear after you read about it? I think the problem is that you're asking people if you will hear a problem in the triple.fis that they've never heard in the se530s.

Do the se530s sound different than the triple.fis? yes
Do the se530s sound better than the triple.fis? sometimes to some people.
Do multiple driver IEMs sound different than single driver IEMs. I dunno. maybe sometimes to some people with some examples of the two types.

I personally like the triple.fis better than the se530s. I think the coherance of the triple.fis is excellent, based on the precision of its imaging. I do not I don't hear any gaps in the spectrum caused by driver crossover. But I don't hear this in the se530 either.

In your initial question you make a statement that you assume is true for others. There IS a problem with "a lack of soundstage coherance" with the se530s". In order to carry on we need to know exactly what you mean. Do the cellos not come through? Only half the piano? Half the piano above your head and half below? Perhaps the newly discovered bass drum in the se530s is overpowering the bassoon. More specifics please.
Sandy.

The SE530 does have peculiar highs. It's definitely there, but there's a gap in the upper midrange which makes instruments like the violin and flute sound very recessed.

Yeah, I'd say the gap I'm experiencing also occurs in the upper midrange. Does this affect soundstage or is it just a tonal issue for you?

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Originally Posted by scrane

Are we talking about something you have read, something you hear, or something you think you hear after you read about it?

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Originally Posted by scrane

In your initial question you make a statement that you assume is true for others. There IS a problem with "a lack of soundstage coherance" with the se530s". In order to carry on we need to know exactly what you mean. Do the cellos not come through? Only half the piano? Half the piano above your head and half below? Perhaps the newly discovered bass drum in the se530s is overpowering the bassoon. More specifics please.
Sandy.

I'm talking about something I heard, but I have not had the se530 for over a year and a half now. Still, it was bad enough that I got rid of them right away. But this is why I can't give a lot of specific examples.

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Originally Posted by scrane

I think the problem is that you're asking people if you will hear a problem in the triple.fis that they've never heard in the se530s.

Yes I think that this is really the crux of the problem. When I created this thread, I thought many other people would have had similar experiences with the se530 or other multiple driver iems because it was a very obvious problem for me. Apparently, this is not the case and this issue is probably something that, as you said earlier, I am particularly sensitive to.

I (and posibly others) have reported at least 6/7 of said fake accounts and those new members were soon banned. However, seeing he'd been caught every single time, this time round he started to pretend he'd never owned any IEM's or full-sized headphones to make it a little more difficult for others to spot his lies, inconsistent posts and usual antics. He's tried different tactics and been caught EVERY single time.

How do I know it is indeed 100% Voltag3? I won't give details as he'll no doubt be back again perfecting his fake identities. He's got a little better at it and a few head-fiers who knew Voltag3 have not recognised him, specially the last 2/3 fake accounts he's used.

Some people have been upset and called me names and so on for treating a seeming new member like here on this thread until they saw the new member in question had been banned and turned out to be indeed Voltag3. Voltag3, through some of his fake accounts, would call me a stalker. Some fellow head-fiers kind of apologised, others didn't. It hasn't been pleasant for me to sometimes look like an immature obsessed idiot.

Why am I doing this?

It'd be far too simple to say it's because he has a rather sick love/ obsession for his SE530's and I was less than impressed when I had my own set. If that really was the case I'd be going round every single thread where the SE530's are being mentioned and do my anti-SE530 routine there. In fact I stopped engaging with Voltag3 quite some time before he got banned. He'd bump his own threads for no reason other than just being seen again and have a higher post count. He'd start endless threads to do with the SE530's - there's more on that front but enough of that.

So, why am I doing this?

Mainly because he constantly misled genuine new members who were asking for genuine advise and always pursued his own SE530 agenda, ie getting them to buy the SE530's (or at times other gear) by posting non-stop until reaching a high post count to gain some credibility among new unsuspecting members. He'd use lots of jargon to sound like an expert - he'd just read lots of stuff on different threads/ websites often doing the usual copying & pasting, but he used that so much that he actually began to memorise some of the technical stuff, seeming less like cut & paste and more like he knew what he was talking about.

He'd often put down other gear (mostly IEM's) he'd never even tried but said he had. On some of his fake accounts he even created impressive sigs with plenty of IEM's, headphones & amps he said he owned. As voltag3 he often boasted he'd get soon get the ES3X, then it was the HD800's, lately the JH13's. Of course he never even bought a cheap portable amp.

He upset many people round here (not just me) and openly laughed at internet forums and laughed at the fact that people could ever react to anything said on-line. So, for him places like head-fi (online forums) meant anything goes - who cares as long as no one really knows who you are, you can pretend to be whoever you want.

Some new members would be very grateful that such an experienced and knowledgeable head-fier would devote so much of his time answering all their newbie questions. That became like a drug to him - "Wow, look what I can do (get them to buy the SE530's or other gear, or dissuade them from this or that) and all these newbies ever so grateful!!" He got better at it, but some of us who knew what he was doing were not amused. His misleading game didn't last that long and he was then banned. His SE530 fanboyism lasted much longer, though. The fact is that most experienced & reputable members of head-fi will not even bother to look at such new threads started by newbies asking for recommendations or comparisons.

So, this is my last post here. If anybody has anything to say about this post or the previous ones, better do it via PM. BTW, yesterday I got a PM from Voltag3 (Xeon [09]) asking innocently why I called him Uniqu3 - I didn't reply.

"I had an se530 before I got er-4. My biggest problem besides the rolled off highs was the lack of soundstage coherence. Basically, it sounded like treble was coming from one tweeter and bass was coming from a totally different driver, which it is. My er-4s, on the other hand, has a very coherent soundstage. Is coherence in soundstage a problem with the triple fi as well?"

Sandy.

But that's not what's happening. You can like what you like but the se530 has a full range driver selected for good highs with 2 bass units to augment the bottom below 500hz. Whatever you're hearing is probably not crossover related. The TF10 is a 3 driver 2 way with recessed mids and better highs.