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zaterdag 10 september 2016

Get rid of your stupid GOD COMPLEX!

+Frank Clarke Your problem is that you think you are god: the original SIN=disobedience/rebellion of the angel Morning Star who became Satan=adversary.
OUR ancestors Adam and Eve were contaminated by this way of thinking by him and since then ALL of their offspring too, so this means you and me and everybody.
I say: I AM NOT GOD.
Can you say that?

I AM NOT GOD.
I say: I AM A SINNER=transgressor of God's commandments/rules.
Can you say that?
I say: I need JESUS Christ, GOD in the FLESH, who died for my sins on the cross and who rose from the dead, for the remission of MY sins/transgressions, through the shedding of His BLOOD.
Can you say that?
Probably NOT (yet), because this GOD-COMPLEX of yours is keeping you from being HONEST.
And so you keep LYING....
UNLESS God=JESUS chooses to make you REPENT, because He has seen something WORTHWHILE within you, that He wants to SAVE and keep FOREVER.
So I'm NOT asking you to repent, because you CAN'T.....UNLESS God=JESUS chooses to make you REPENT, because He has seen something WORTHWHILE within you, that He wants to SAVE and keep FOREVER.﻿

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Hans S
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+MrKev1664
Religious people always try to EARN salvation, because what JESUS did for them on the cross was NOT ENOUGH.

Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God,
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.﻿

Frank Clarke
12:07 AM

+Hans S You know it's all crap right there is no God or Jesus, it baffles me why so many tards choose to believe this poop, are you hoping to make money from from your neighbours, are you one of those clever jerks who charges their neighbours for religious advice, if not why you going on about this non existent God.﻿
Captain G
12:14 AM

Frank Clarke If you refuse to accept the existence of God, why do you get so upset about it?﻿

angela jakobCommented "Hey thank you for your scient..." on: Organised religion is hypocrite, power hungry and thrives on the fears and ignorance of uneducated people.angela jakobcommented on a video on YouTube.Shared publicly - 2:45 AM

JESUS isn't a religion but GOD, manifested in the flesh, who wants to save you and love you forever.﻿angela jakob4:53 AM

Hey thank you for your scientific fact, btw the bible you know is an accumulation of books approved by the convention of Nicea and i great tip you should watch the videos from Bart Ehrmann a professor who studied about the origin of the bible. Another thing Jesus never claimed to be a God actually he was praying to Jaweh or Jehova according to the story of the bible. Creating Gods out of human beings sounds very Pagan for example the story of Hercules. I do not need to be saved from a fictional character be i do believe that Jesus was a real historical human being and was not a god but you know how people are, stories get embellished a doctrine and dogma gets created which avoids any critical thinking for example the time of the inquisition. But i hope you do not confuse facts with beliefs. Religion is fine as long a person keeps it to him or herself, does not try to convert others, think they own the truth and every one else is mistaken. I respect religious people as much as they respect me. In fact i love to have nice academic discussions about religions, this means being politically incorrect sometimes.﻿tim spangler5:24 AM

IDIOT ALERT!!!!

Another idiot who denies the foundation of Scripture, specifically about the deity of my SAVIOR....who I WORSHIP!!﻿

+angela jakobSee what I mean: you've accumulated so much GARBAGE in your brain that you think you can JUDGE your OWN maker and CONDEMN Him, while you are a CRIMINAL yourself in God's PERFECT eyes.Sin=transgression of God's commandments and disobedience and rebellion.Why do you think you are slowly DYING?That's because of God's CURSE!Death means SEPARATION from God's LOVE and comfort, and this phenomenon was created by Him.But there is a MUCH worse fate: ETERNAL separation from God's love and comfort and happiness and that's the SECOND DEATH, which is the lake of fire.This is not normal fire, but SUPERNATURAL FIRE and EVERLASTING.We are ALL meant to be like the angels and currently you're in the state of a FALLEN angel.I used to be a fallen angel, but JESUS=God rescued me, after I surrendered to Him, being a former atheist.So choose where you want to spend eternity: with JESUS and share His happiness and wisdom and comfort and love, or being ALONE and REJECTED in the eternal lake of fire, meant for entities who are just as self-centered and proud as the devil=Satan=adversary and the former angel morning star.﻿

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angela jakob6:02 AM

So he is a person who is God how contradictory. So what God is he, the God of the old testament, who thinks it is oke to stone people if you are a homosexual or an adulterous woman, who condones slavery and is jealous. What is a sin anyway, whats a sin in one culture is normality in another. Sin in the christian world is to emphasis what we as people lack according to the doctrine, make us feel inadequate, being ashamed of being human and plays with our fears of getting punished after life by everlasting hell fire. Believing is for people who are to lazy to think, do research and question things. As i kid i believed in Santa Claus, but this makes it a truth. Kids believe because they are ignorant, they believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, but when they grow into the age of reasoning most give up these beliefs. What you call garbage i hope you do not confuse with facts and common sense. I am not talking about the feel good stuff of religion but i was actually hoping for a more rational thinking of you, but deep down i know the human mind mostly works on feelings than on rational thinking, as long as it sounds good and it gives a good feeling therefore it must be true mentality.﻿

+angela jakobYou were much smarter when you were an unborn baby and a little child.Satan has 100% control over you, so have a lot of fun with this intellectual DUMBO and keep FOOLING yourself.You're so 'intelligent' that you don't even know why you have a brain in your head and why you exist.JESUS is God, manifested in the flesh, and I LOVE Him and I don't serve Him, or propagate Him out of fear.I'm His ambassador and you've missed a MAJOR chance to get saved forever, and maybe your ONLY chance.I don't want to destroy you or send you to the lake of fire, but if you keep rejecting my best friend JESUS, you deserve to be treated like trash.It's not forbidden to commit eternal spiritual SUICIDE.﻿

Thank you for your emotional and non rational answer it seems that is the only thing you can do, i was hoping for a real discussion but i seem to have touched an emotional nerve and it seems you have a direct connection to God and you are judging me with the most delusional but nevertheless very amusing fantasies. I am not a christian so actually these words confirm how brainwashed you are and i see lots of Jesus love and tolerance and respect in your words. So it seems you think if i do not submit and lower my intelligence and critical thinking to a God that threatens me with eternal separation because he is all loving. It seems to me that you submit because out of self preservation, your personal agenda and your fear of death so you want to ensure you get your ticket into heaven. it seems you are a fundamentalist to the core and thrive on doom and hell and fire. I have not read one word in your post that actually shows any glimmer of intelligent thinking only religious frenzy. I feel sorry for you it must be hard to believe in a God who demands total submission and you have to live in fear constantly because the devil is everywhere trying to seduce you. I would call it a religion of fear, but whatever rocks your boat but i suggest that your religious words of doom does not make me convert into a christian it gives me only more evidence how religion can mess up peoples brains.﻿mike teixeira12:28 AM

angela.........St. Nichlaus (Santa Klaus) was a real person, who gave away his wealth to the poor and became a catholic bishop. He was jailed for his faith, but was released when Constantine de-criminalized christianity. A wonderful saint......he was at the council at Nicea. There is no doom and gloom in religion, because like every loving father, God has to protect us from ourselves sometimes. You should feel secure in his love......can always come back to Him, and say you're sorry.﻿

Constatin was never a christian he was a pagan, he wanted the merge his mithras religion which is pagan into Catholicism for political gain, He also decided which books would become a part of the bible we know today and which books to leave out as long as it fits his political agenda. Santa Claus is a mixture between the bishop of Mirna and a pagan God who flies through the sky and hands out gifts, please feel free to google this. If God needs us to protect us from our selves it seems he does a very bad job, just look at history, maybe God is not all powerful and he is not able to help us or he does not care. But what i have learned that it is impossible to have a rational conversation with a fundamentalist religious person, it seems that that the part of the brain which is responsible for rational thinking have died and talking to a wall seems a more intelligent option. Religion is for the feel good thing, if it feels good it must be true even if it sounds totally ridiculous. If God would be perfect he would have known that his creation is a big flop and if he is the creator of everything he must have created your favorite boogy man aka the devil too. Tell me why Christians always have the compulsory intent to convert people by saying their religion is wrong and theirs is the only true one, if you want to follow Jesus follow judaism just like Jesus, i am sure he never prayed to himself according to they mythological book called the bible.﻿Glenn Treble2:15 AM

we are all sinner in Gods eyes, only Yeshua ( Jesus ) do we get forgiven (if we believe and repent of our sins) follow instructions that Yeshua!﻿tim spangler2:16 AM

Angela, in the powerful name of the Almighty Jesus, you must leave this place.﻿angela jakob2:50 AM

Hahahahahahahaha do not forget to take your meds.﻿tim spangler3:10 AM

Not on meds. Holy Spirit compels me to tell people of Jesus/God...and to rebuke imposters.﻿Glenn Treble3:43 AM

So Angela, You believe every word of what this video has stated from beginning to end?﻿angela jakob3:55 AM

Nope i get my information from several books, it would be very nonacademic to trust only one source. Btw i trust a professor for example Bart Ehrman a bit more than an emotional driven fanatic .﻿

+angela jakobI'm an ex-atheist=God DENIER, and I've had a fantastic youth.But everything started to go wrong in my life after I had been brainwashed with the THEORY of 'evolution' on a public high school.Because of my LACK of a Christian upbringing, I BELIEVED this DANGEROUS NONSENSE, and I became an a-theist.But later I discovered that evolution was a FRAUD and that the supernatural is REAL, but I still rejected the idea of a god, because there was only ONE god: ME, MYSELF and I.

But the REAL God, who is JESUS, HEALED me from this SPIRITUAL DISEASE and He came into my life, because He wanted to SAVE me.I was HIS choice and NOT mine, but He gave me the option to reject Him.

But why should I REJECT a person who knows me better than I know myself and who really LOVES me and CARES about me?

You don't love me and you don't care about me.You're only interested in you own EGO and you suffer from a GOD-COMPLEX!

Get RID of your stupid God-Complex and get to know (y)our maker, JESUS!﻿

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angela jakob5:01 AM

I am sorry i give up, you're to far gone into your delusional world it seems not one word you write down shows any rational thinking. Your lakes of fire and eternal torture and all the other fun stuff which your all loving god created in your frustrated imagination only demonstrates that you must be a lonely guy or have an unhappy marriage or you have been raised by parents who were fanatics. So telling me of these lakes of fire and i am sure you have seen them with your own eyes i find very entertaining, you would be a great story teller.﻿

Believing in 'evolution' requires more faith, than believing in an intelligent creator who created a PERFECT WORLD and who later CURSED His own creation, due to the rebellion of Adam and Eve, and before that the rebellion of Morning Star, who's now known as SATAN=adversary.﻿

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angela jakob5:46 AM

Thank you for this conversation which leads to nothing. I need to find someone who actually can talk sensibly uses facts and does not mix up that beliefs are the same as facts. You are right i am the idiot here, trying over and over hoping for a rational answer and expecting a different result but hey what can one expect when all sens of reality has gone.﻿

+angela jakobListen, NAUGHTY sweetheart: you can NEVER OUTSMART me, because God is my FATHER and He and I are ONE!JESUS is God and He is the ULTIMATE FREE WILL.You're talking on behalf of ADVERSARY=SATAN and he always asserts that there is NO free will, but that's because he's INSANE and he knows VERY well that he had chosen WRONGLY, when he decided to go AGAINST His OWN maker, JESUS, in PARADISE.Know more: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/09/a-sickly-jealous-morning-star.html﻿

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angela jakob6:23 AM

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"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)Isaiah 45:7 affirms that God creates darkness and disaster. It is not a creation of mankind, nor of fallen beings or Satan. The Hebrew word here that is translated as "disaster" could also mean "wickedness", "hurt", "affliction" or "adversity". God creates these things directly. Any argument that asserts that evil is a result of Human free will must first get over the fact that the Christian Bible states that God creates evil and disaster itself. Not only does this God create darkness and disaster, but it actively "does" them too. For example in Job 42:11 God is described as doing evil to Job as part of its test of Job even though Job is described as holy and blameless. In other words, the evil done by God on Job was not the result of Job's free will. Also, his children and animals are all slaughtered too, as collateral damage1. God doesn't merely create evil and suffering as possibilities, it actively chooses to do them itself.

Psalm 104:27-30 notes that God sometimes makes animals happy and sometimes "terrifies them" as part of the daily rhythm of life as described in general by Psalm 104, although the King James Version nicely tones this down to "troubles" them.

The Book of Lamentations confirms that free will cannot stop evil, when evil comes from God, nor can man stop goodness, when goodness comes from God:

Who is he that can speak, and it happens, when the Lord command it not?37Out of the mouth of the Most High proceedeth not both evil and good?38Lamentations 3:37-381.2. Satan and God are Interchangeable2

“Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.”Psalms 139:12 (KJV)“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”2 Corinthians 11:14As various authors copied copies of the Hebrew Scriptures, changes accumulated in the stories. Sometimes, the same story appears twice. There are even two accounts of the Creation that contradict each other in the details. One such doubled story shows us clearly that the Old Testament God is evil, and Satan itself is not a separate being, but is actually part of God, a face of God. There is one occasion when David took a census of his men in order to count how many could fight in the armies of Israel. 1 Chronicles 21:2 and 2 Samuel 24:2 both contain a copy of the exact same text:

“So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, "Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are."”

1 Chronicles 21:2“So the king said to Joab and the army commanders with him, "Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are."”

2 Samuel 24:2What had happened is that God had a rule: That David was not allowed to 'number' Israel. But, for some reason, David went ahead and did so. As a result, God punished them all for breaking his rule. But, it is very telling when we examine the preceding verse: Who inspired David to count Israel's fighting men?

“Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.”

1 Chronicles 21:1“The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."”

2 Samuel 24:1In one copy of the story, we are told Satan told David to do so. In the other, it was God. How can this be? It is because in the Old Testament, Satan and God are the same being. Satan in the Old Testament is merely the face that God puts on when it is testing its people. "The anger of the Lord" is Satan. It was common in old religions (Hinduism, Roman religions, etc) for gods to have multiple faces, each associated with different emotions. In the Christian Bible, Satan is God.

A similar confusion of roles happens in the Book of Job. In Job 1:8-12 Satan approaches God and asks to test Job's loyalty to God. In Job 1:11 it is God who is asked "put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face". Satan's idea is that if God demolishes Job's good life, then Job will no longer be faithful to God. But Satan can't do this itself as it is God that has the power to do evil. In the next verse God gives that power to Satan:

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand.”Job 1:12 [KJV]So, Satan acts only when God gives it power to do so. Once again, we see that God and Satan are merely two facets of the same being. One final verse seals this idea. Who, when it comes to the concluding of the story in chapter 42, is given the credit for bringing evil against Job? It is God itself:

“[Job's friends and family] comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him.”Job 42:11 [KJV]Other translations such as Young's Literal Translation phrase it in the same way. God and Satan are intertwined. Satan can't do anything except by the will of God. Psalms 139:12, 1 Chronicles 21:1-2 and 2 Samuel 24:1-2, and Job 1:8-12, 42:11 all confuse good and evil, God and Satan into one single creative force, with God being described as not only the source of evil, but as its actual instigator. God cannot be benevolent.

1.3. Fear God3

"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people"Exodus 32:14"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name"Exodus 15:3"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"Exodus 34:14"Blessed is everyone that feareth the Lord."Psalms 128The Old Testament describes God as angry, fearsome, destructive and vengeful. In continual deviance from what a good god would do, and feel, the God of the Old Testament sometimes repents of its own actions and thoughts. How can a god that knows everything, and is never wrong, repent? How can a good god even have evil thoughts, let alone do evil actions?

In Old Testament times, people were exposed to many different Gods. Frequently, people would simply have to be scared into worshipping one god over another. By representing it as powerful, destructive, jealous and harsh, the Jews who wrote the Old Testament were affirming that they believed their God should be worshipped, and other Gods should be abandoned.

"The third century Church Father, Tertullian, could not imagine how God could not demand fear":

“But how are you going to love, without some fear that you do not love? Surely [an unfeared God] is neither your Father, towards whom your love for duty's sake should be consistent with fear because of His power; nor your proper Lord, whom you should love for His humanity and fear as your teacher.”Tertullian4Quoted from "The Dark Side of Christian History" by Helen Ellerbe (1995)51.4. Adam and Eve and Original Sin: The Immoral Schemes of God

The Adam and Eve story shows god as an immoral bad parent, not as a loving God (2006)The immoral doctrine of original sin, where children are punished for the sins of their parents is hardly the scheme of a moral god. Adam and Eve were punished with death, pain, suffering and caused the evil of all mankind... yet they themselves 'sinned' before they knew the difference between Good and Evil. God must be immoral, if it punishes innocent people for sins they do not understand and could not resist.

1.5. The New Testament Tells us that the Old Testament God is Evil

2nd Century Marcionite Christians believed that the Old Testament God was Evil (2006)The author of the Gospel of Luke wrote that Jesus said that 'a tree is known by its fruit' (Luke 6:43-44): "Good trees do not produce rotten fruit, and rotten trees do not produce good fruit". The Old Testament God, who says that he "creates evil" (Amos. 3:6, Isaiah 45:7), cannot therefore be a 'good tree', but must be a rotten one. Luke 12:5 warns us to fear God above anything else in life. An ancient form of Christianity was preached by Marcion, who realized that the God of the Old Testament must be Evil. As Marcion believed that the Good News of the New Testament was the plan of salvation from a good God, he believed that through Jesus the evil god the Old Testament had been defeated.

2. The New Testament God is Also Evil

Jesus and the Disciples accepted the Old Testament as God's word. They could only do this if they themselves believed that God was not benevolent. They also preached the goodness of God, despite his apparent evil. This is because they, like the writers of the Old Testament, do not care if god is 'good' or 'evil', they merely wish to do its will, in order to get rewards in heaven.

The Book of Revelations is the climax and final book of the New Testament, where it is said that God will once again revert to his Old Testament ways... the suffering and pain described in the apocalypse is something that a good god could never let happen. To even believe that God do this is to believe in a monstrous demon of a God.

2.1. No Free Will

The New Testament preaches at great length that we have no free will, and that God's punishment is arbitraryThe Bible teaches that there is no free will. Examining Exodus, Ecclesiastes 7, Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2, Matthew 5:45, Acts 13, Romans 8, Roman 9, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians, Titus 3:4-5 and Revelations, we see that God's plan overrides our free will; those that do good do the specific good that God predestined them to do, and all others are ruled by Satan because God sends "powerful delusions" to them. The Christian Bible frequently states that God creates our future and decides our fates, no matter what our own will is. It constantly denies that we have free will. Some of the foremost Christians in history have taught that there is no free will, including St. Augustine (one of the four great founders of Western Christianity6), Martin Luther (founder of Protestantism) and John Calvin.

The doctrine of predestination is like the doctrine of original sin. They affirm that God is not just, not moral, and is actively evil and arbitrary. Not only do god's plans override free will, but, God also punishes those who it has predetermined to be punished. There is no grand moral plan to god's will. It makes no sense to say that this is the behaviour of a good god. The New Testament makes more sense if its schemes are the plan of an evil god, rather than a good one.

2.2. God Destroys Families

Contradictions: The Bible also contains many verses that promote family values.God itself sets some very poor examples when it comes to parenting.

“Genesis 6:7 says "And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them". What does this teach us? If our children do not turn out how we wished, then, we can follow the example of the perfectly just Christian God, and destroy them. And anything around them, including animals and other people. We can deliver group punishments in accordance with the worst offenders amongst them, and, the less bad amongst them are simply unlucky to have been around at the wrong time. It seems that when it comes to good parenting, it is not to the Christian God that we should look!”"Noah, the Ark and the Flood, from the Bible Book of Genesis: 7.2. The Monstrous Actions of an Immoral God" by Vexen Crabtree (2013)Genesis furnishes us with some additional horror in the stories of Lot and his family who lived in Sodom, and, of Abraham and his precious first son Isaac. In Genesis chapters 18 and 19, Lot is rescued from destruction by God's actions for his noble and commendable actions. What did he do? He tried to protect 3 male guests who had arrived at his house, from a mob outside who wanted to rape them. His method of protection was to send out his two virgin daughters and tell the crowd they could do as they pleased with them. In case we doubt God's judgement of Lot, Lot then goes and has children by both of his daughters. The story of Abraham and Isaac in Genesis chapter 22 has Abraham obey the voices in his head which tell him to murder his only son Isaac on an altar as a sacrifice to God. Abraham complies, and is massively rewarded by God. Any moral person would have sternly told Abraham that he failed God's test. These two stories tell us that obediance and male honour are valued far ahead of the protection of the family; rape of young daughters and child murder are both preferable to disobeying voices in your head, and risking your male guests from being mobbed.

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 says that if your relatives or friends try to get you to worship other gods, firstly you must not give in to them, and secondly, you must kill them. That's right - kill your relatives if they try to draw you away from your religion, "without pity". Genesis 17:10,12,14 teaches that newborns are to be circumcized, and, those who are not are to be cast away from their friends and family. There seems to be no way to view such teachings in a moral way. The author(s) of the Bible severely lacked moral compassion and a sense of justice. Even when aiming at noble goals, such as respect for family life, the moral teachings derived from this instinct go instantly awry in the Bible - note that the punishment for cursing one's father or mother, and for adultery, is death (Exodus 21:17).Throughout the Old Testament, male children are promised by God as the ultimate reward, women are often unable to bear children (but this fate never happens to men). Throughout the Old and New, the unequal and barbaric position of women in the family compared to men is infamously misogynistic - there are too many related verses to repeat here.

The teachings of Jesus do not bring much in the way of hope for family life:

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.”Matthew 10:34-37“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”Luke 12:51-53

Milder verses continue the theme; Jesus in Mark 3:31-35 leaves his "brethren and his mother" outside after they call for him; giving no reason at all for shunning them, he instead says that his followers were his brethren and mother. Luke 2:41-49 tells a story of a 12-year-old Jesus; he wonders off for three days and his parents search for him, before finding him in a temple. They exclaim to him that they've been looking for him sorrowfully, and his cold response is covered by the last two verses of that story: "How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them". In both places a little courtesy would have cost nothing. The lack of respect continues in another story in Luke:

“"When one of his women listeners was so entranced by his teaching that she cried out 'Happy the womb that bore you and the breasts that you sucked!' Jesus shrugged off this praise of his mother. She was irrelevant: 'Still happier those who hear the word of God and keep it.' (Luke 11:27-28)."”"The Gospel According to Woman: Christianity's Creation of the Sex War in the West" by Karen Armstrong (1986)7It is strange to hear Christians promote Christian family values as if they were a good thing, when the feelings of relatives are of such little concern to Jesus.

2.3. Jesus and the Crucifixion - A Trick8

Lance Sievert wrote:

“If I was The Devil I would manifest myself inside of a virgin, say that I am the Son of God and convince everyone that they can now be forgiven for every sin just by asking, thus opening the floodgates for an unprecedented and unending torrent of sin.I would start with the uneducated and the poor. I would impress them with some magic tricks, teach them to pretend to eat my flesh, drink my blood and always, ALWAYS, use MY name when speaking to God.I would most assuredly use my immortality to fool them into thinking I came back from the dead as proof of my divinity.What better way to channel more souls away from God and straight into Hell?”Lance Sievert

For a fuller analysis of the illogical nature of the crucifixion, see:"The Crucifixion Facade" by Vexen Crabtree (2002)The evidence and logic is even more compelling than the anecdote above. The whole scheme of the life of Jesus does not add up, and it is very hard to reconcile it with the plans of an all-knowing, good God. The crucifixion makes no sense. The crucifixion did not empower God as God is omnipotent. It did not aid its understanding of Humanity, as God is omniscient. God did not need to become Human to experience Human suffering: God already knew. God is able to judge us perfectly, because God is perfect, just and all-knowing. The crucifixion of Jesus did not improve God's judgement of us, as God's judgement was perfect both before and after the crucifixion. The crucifixion did not aid us, as "knowing Jesus" was not the point of the crucifixion unless God has arbitrarily condemned everyone to hell who happened to live before the founding of Christianity. That those who lived before the time of Jesus' crucifixion are also judged fairly by (perfect) God means that there was no actual point to it all except as a needless public relations exercise. The entire escapade seems to be an irrational story copied from pre-Christian myths.

But it does make sense if the God of the Bible is evil. Then the magic tricks make sense, as Lance Sievert has said, as the successful attempts of an evil god to impress us simple mortals.

3. Genocides and Divine Incitements to Murder

3.1. Violence and Murder Endorsed in the Christian Bible

The Old Testament was rife with occasions when God not only sanctioned the murder, pillage and rape of the enemies of his chosen people, but, often God itself joined in, directly smiting people itself. Jeremiah 48:10 declares: "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!". It reminds me of Exodus 15:3: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name".

It is clear that violence has a divine Biblical endorsement. But for what ends? Luke 14:23 says "Compel people to come in!" for the purpose of "filling" the Church. Jesus himself declared "think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). And henceforth, Christian history contains many unfortunate chapters where Christian groups anathematized one another as heretics, and proceeded to burn, torture and murder those who disagreed. Victims have been anyone who disagreed even on confusing technical points of Christian doctrine, members of other religions such as Muslims and Jews, and it seems, many other innocent victims ranging from outcasts who were accused of witchcraft ("Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" - Exodus 22:18), homosexuals and finally, a small number who have genuinely plotted against the Church.

Book CoverSuch attitudes are not merely disasters found in history. Even in the twentieth century, Pope Leo XII argued for violence and murder, based on religion:

“The death sentence is a necessary and efficacious means for the Church to attain its end when rebels act against it and disturbers of the ecclesiastical unity, especially obstinate heretics and heresiarchs, cannot be restrained by any other penalty. [...] If there be no other remedy for saving its people it can and must put these wicked men to death.”Pope Leo XII93.2. Some Genocides Committed Directly by God

Some of the genocides committed by God in the Bible are of the young, the innocent, and some are even the results of accidents. (Click the links below for full descriptions):

2 Kings 2:23-24 : 42 children are killed for calling a prophet "baldy", by two she-bears.1 Samuel 6:19 : God kills 50 070 (or 70) of the men of Beth Shemesh for looking in (or "at") the Ark of the Covenant.1 Kings 20:30 : God makes a wall fall on and kill 27 000 of an army retreating from some Israelites.Numbers 16:16-49 : Death to all those who complain (14 950 of them altogether).2 Samuel 6:6-11 : God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant.The Flood, which saw God wipe out all of humankind, is neither a good response to being displeased, nor is it even a good moral story symbolically. The authors of this story believed in an immoral and fearsome god which should be wholly rejected. See: "Noah, the Ark and the Flood, from the Bible Book of Genesis" by Vexen Crabtree (2013).3.3. Genocides Committed or Ordered By God

This collection of Biblical genocides was started by a different author whose credentials I misplaced in the 1990s; it is not a complete documentation of divine slaughter in the Bible, but there are numerous books which do have fuller lists. Here is a snapshot:

Exodus 32:27-28 "[Moses' orders to his army] he said to them, "The Lord God of Israel commands every one of you to put on his sword and go through the camp from this gate to the other and kill his brothers, his friends and his neighbours. The Levites obeyed and killed about 3000 Men that day."Exodus 32:29 "Moses said to the Levites, "Today you have consecrated yourselves as priests in the service of the Lord by killing your sons and brothers, so the Lord has given you his blessing."Numbers 31:17 (Moses) "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him (in other words: women that might be pregnant)."Deuteronomy 7:1 "When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with them or show them any mercy."Joshua 6:21-24 "With their swords they killed everyone in the city, men, women, young and old. They also killed the cattle, sheep and donkeys. ... And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord."Judges 20: Description a battle and city-burning, with no morality or sense of loss at all.Judges 20:42-48 "... and them which came out of the cities they destroyed in the midst of them. ... And there fell of Benjamin eighteen thousand of the best Benjamine soldiers; ... and they gleaned of them in the highways five thousand men; ... and slew two thousand men of them. So that all which fell that day of Benjamin were twenty and five thousand men that drew the sword; ... And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to."1 Kings 20:30 "But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; and there a wall fell upon twenty and seven thousand of the men that were left."

1 Samuel 15:1-8 "Now listen to what the Lord Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites... 3-8 : With 210000 soldiers they killed all the men, women, children, babies, cattle, camels and donkeys."Esther 9:12-16: The Jews slaughter enemies in an internal strife in the Persian empire, at least 75800 enemies are killed.Hosea 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

Revelations is full of genocides. Here are some.Revelation 6:8 (the 4th seal) "I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.Revelation 9:15 (the 6th seal) "And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind."Revelation 4th Seal and 6th Seal. Here's a quick calculation assuming an initial population of 6 000 000 000:1/4 are killed when the 4th seal is opened: 1/4 of 6.0 billion is 1.5 billion, leaving 4.5 billion survivors.1/3 are killed then the 6th seal is opened: 1/3 of 4.5 billion is 1.5 billion, leaving 3.0 billion survivors.Exactly half of Humankind are killed, and this calculation uses only two of the seven seals!

It is an incredibly difficult task to explain to Christians who decide to kill in god's name that they are in fact going against the Bible, because this is simply not the case.

4. Sowing Seeds of Confusion - Not the Antics of a Good God10

The Book of Numbers in the Hebrew Scriptures / Old Testament contains two examples of some very limited communication methods used by God. Both would have serious deleterious consequences if we didn't ignore these verses.

Numbers 12:6 has God say "Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I, the Lord, will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream". But this is a clear-cut path to chaos and anarchy, and would immediately undermine all religion. If we trusted Numbers 12:6, then, it would mean that Christianity isn't true, because too many people have had visions of Krishna and Buddha. Likewise, Hinduism cannot be true because too many people have had visions of a monotheistic God. Instead, it must be the case that most visions are actually wrong - they are delusions and illusions. Fortunately for us, we have learnt much about human neurology and we know many of the physiological and neurological causes of visions (see: Experiences of God are Illusions, Derived from Malfunctioning Psychological Processes). We know simply to disregard Numbers 12:6.

Numbers 22:21-34 tells a rather odd story where a man, Balaam, is travelling one way, when God wants him to go another. God's method of communication here - out of all the means available to the miracle-worker Creator of the Universe, is to have the donkey do things. At first the donkey merely resists because God sends an invisible angel to stand in their way, that only the donkey can see. The man, of course, has no idea why the donkey is being stubborn and strikes the donkey a few times. I could not think of a poorer method of communication than an unspeaking invisible angel. It is so daft that the Qur'an makes fun of it in Sura 31:19 - "indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys". When the donkey speaks, things get a little clearer - eventually. The moral of the story is somewhat shaky: if an animal resists doing what you want, then do not make it obey you because it might be God trying to communicate with you.

The parables of Jesus are famous for two reasons. Firstly, because they are often catchy and often repeated by many in the influential Christian world. And secondly, because they are so confusing that consensus on their meanings is very rare, and, often in the New Testament itself it describes Jesus' very own disciples as not understanding them.

“It seems that not only does the Bible describe a God who is a very poor communicator, but that the Bible itself is communicated very poorly.”It is theologically problematic that Jesus decided not to write anything down. For thousands of years, mistranslations of important Biblical verses have misinformed the masses on even important points, such as whether Jesus' mother was a virgin or not. The Bible has caused endless confusion with the irregularities, inconsistencies and ambiguities of its text. On top of that are the mistranslations, cultural misunderstandings and outright subjectivist attempts at exegesis by those who are genuinely and passionately trying to understand the core text of their religion. It seems that not only does the Bible describe a God who is a very poor communicator, but that the Bible itself is communicated very poorly.

It cannot be the case, therefore, that people need the Bible nor that people have to know the right things, or have the right beliefs, in order to fulfil God's plan. (In-)famous playwright Tim Rice once had this idea, too, and put it to verse...:

“You'd have managed Peter better if you'd had it plannedNow why'd you choose such a backward time and such a strange land?If you'd come today you could have reached a whole nationIsrael in 4 BC had no mass communication!”Jesus Christ Superstar (1971)Written by Tim RiceWe have seen that God's communication methods in the Bible are portrayed in a highly unclear, indirect and obscure way (at best). Sometimes (such as with Balaam) God seems to be an incompetent communicator. Is there an underlying reason? The answer depends on your notion of God's personality. You see, its poor communication is only a problem if you happen to think that God wants us to know the truth and to believe the right things. What if God wants us to have different beliefs and religions at different times and in different places? Then, God's ambiguous whisperings make more sense.

God's Methods of Communication: Universal Truth Versus Hebrew and ArabicCriticism of the Christian BibleGod Must Be Evil (If It Exists)“If we knew the truth, our existential crises, mental angst and warring world religions would have no grounds to vex. If god revealed itself to everyone, in no unclear terms, there could be no disagreement. But god does not do this.

God remains hidden - and if god is the source of any of our world religions, it seems that it is intentionally giving conflicting messages. Saying one set of things to one group of people; appearing as a multitude of gods to others, and appearing not at all to many. These appear to be the tactics not of a god that wants us to understand and unite, but of one that actively encourages division, war, conflict, confusion and stress. [...]Religions that fight each other tend to make their adherents believe in them even more strongly. Group solidarity comes into effect: when you have enemies, you keep a closer grip on your friends and also reinforce your own group identity. So, an evil God would appear to mankind in a variety of guises and preach a number of powerful, but conflicting, religions. It would therefore create maximum confusion, and maximum suffering, through war and intolerance. It would preach to each religion that its followers were right and other followers were wrong! These groups would all wholeheartedly believe that as God (or, the gods) has revealed the truth to them, other religions must be wrong and ungodly. That way, most of the weak, inferior, pathetic people that the evil god creates would fall foul of one religion or another, and be duped! Once duped, they'd cling to the lies even more the stronger because of the existence of competing religions. An evil God, indeed, would do this, and this is exactly the state the world is in. Coincidence? If there is a God, it is surely evil!”"God Must Be Evil (If It Exists)" by Vexen Crabtree (2003)If you think it is far-fetched to say that the Christian god intentionally causes confusion and division, and is therefore evil, then perhaps one more story of the Bible will help, from Genesis chapter 11:

1Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2As people moved eastward* they found a plain in Shinar [Babylonia] and settled there. [...]4Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth."5But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."8So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9That is why it was called Babel - because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.Genesis 11:1-9Some justifications that mankind was attempting to steal God's power or aiming to be like God (i.e. 'reaching the heavens') don't make sense, as God is all-knowing and would have known that this was impossible to do by building a tower, no matter how high.

If you accept this story as fable and myth, then, it is clear to see that it is the attempt of a primitive people to explain why Humans have different languages. As such, the story isn't really a religious one and ought to be ignored. If you accept that Bible is the Word of God, however, it shows the Christian Biblical God to be the author of confusion and division, just as we already suspected.

5. The Problem of Evil

List pages on the Problem of EvilIf God is all-powerful and all-good, it would have created a universe in the same way it created heaven: with free will for all, no suffering and no evil. But evil and suffering exist. Therefore God does not exist, is not all-powerful or is not benevolent (good). A theodicy is an attempt to explain why a good god would have created evil and suffering. The most popular defence is that it is so Humans could have free will. However the entire universe and the natural world is filled with suffering, violence and destruction so any Humanity-centric explanation does not seem to work.

Arguments that God Must be Evil, by Vexen Crabtree (2003)“The existence of such large quantities of suffering, despair, pain, of natural disasters such as earthquakes, of the death of the unborn and the immense suffering of lovers & kind-hearted people means that god is evil and intentionally creates life in order to create suffering. That all life exists in a food chain means that life is completely tied to death, and such a barbaric biological cycle could only have been made by an evil god. Also, that such a god appears not to exist, or actively hides itself, is a source of confusion, conflict, war and stress and is again more likely the antics of an evil god. Given the state of the natural world, it is impossible that a good god exists. It is more likely that an evil god exists, but, it is sensible to assume that there is no god of either type. Even if there is not a god of either type, as the dominance of death and violence in the natural world, a result of nature being abused by life and not being designed for life, I think the evil symbol of Satan is the best representative of the state of reality and the universe, whether or not an actual evil god exists.If God did exist and was evil, it would undoubtedly lie and tell everyone it was a good god and that it loved them. It would create maximum confusion by preaching multiple conflicting religions. It would create heaven and make it hard to get to in order to tease and torture people into making their own lives hell. As all of those things happen, if there is a God, it is doing the things an evil God would do!Once I recognized and accepted this state of affairs and adequately called myself a Satanist, I could concentrate my life on happiness, love, stability and peace. Because I know and understand that death always wins, that life is temporary, I waste no time on short-term whims that reduce my quality of life, or of those around me, and I waste no time with spiritual pipe dreams. Recognizing Satan as the personified meta-figure of reality is self-affirming, life-affirming, positive, honest and clarifying.”"God Must Be Evil (If It Exists): 5. Conclusion" by Vexen Crabtree (2003)Read / Write LJ Comments

Links"Evidences that God is Evil" by Vexen Crabtree (2003)"The God of the Christian Bible is Evil" by Vexen Crabtree (2006)"God's Communications Methods are Evidence of Its Evil" by Vexen Crabtree (2012)God and Goodness: Can a Perfectly Good God Exist? Is God Love?God Must Be Evil (If It Exists)The Problem of Evil: Why Would a Good God Create Suffering?References: (What's this?)Book Cover

The Bible (NIV). The NIV is the best translation for accuracy whilst maintaining readability. Multiple authors, a compendium of multiple previously published books. I prefer to take quotes from the NIV but where I quote the Bible en masse I must quote from the KJV because it is not copyrighted, whilst the NIV is. [Book Review]

Armstrong, Karen(1986) The Gospel According to Woman: Christianity's Creation of the Sex War in the West. Subtitled "Christianity's Creation of the Sex War in the West". Hardback. Published by Elm Tree Books/Hamish Hamilton Ltd, London, UK.

Ellerbe, Helen(1995) The Dark Side of Christian History. Published by Morningstar & Lark, Windermere, FL, USA.

That's what JESUS did, DESPITE the LIES of Satan that NOBODY would even care.....

Compare yourself to JESUS and be HONEST and ADMIT you're completely LOST and a CRIMINAL who is GUILTY as HELL!

But if you think you are better than JESUS, you're COMPLETELY INSANE and not worth a second of attention.

Then my Father has the RIGHT and the POWER to TRASH you FOREVER, while LAUGHING:

Psalm 2World English Bible (WEB)2 Why do the nations rage, and the peoples plot a vain thing?2 The kings of the earth take a stand, and the rulers take counsel together, against Yahweh*, and against his Anointed, saying,3 “Let’s break their bonds apart, and cast their cords from us.”4 He who sits in the heavens will laugh. The Lord will have them in derision.5 Then he will speak to them in his anger, and terrify them in his wrath:6 “Yet I have set my King on my holy hill of Zion.”7 I will tell of the decree.Yahweh said to me, “You are my son. Today I have become your father.8 Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession.9 You shall break them with a rod of iron. You shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”10 Now therefore be wise, you kings. Be instructed, you judges of the earth.11 Serve Yahweh with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12 Give sincere homage to the Son,[c] lest he be angry, and you perish on the way, for his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all those who take refuge in him.

*I AM that I AM and in short 'I AM'.

JESUS means 'I AM Salvation'.He's GOD in the capacity of Savior.﻿

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angela jakob7:43 AM

It seems you cannot argue with the bible texts i ve sent you, there is nothing to outsmart you with that one, its all from your favorite bible and you do not want to contradict the bible. I am not talking on behalf of anyone but common sense and if you call critical thinking and common sense the devil its quite scary.So lets imagine the morning star went against Gods will, God must have known this all before because he is all knowing, so it would be not a big surprise, or did God plan it like that, because everything comes from God eventually?About free will, i give you an example, if a thief wanted to rob a person and he says gve me your money or your life and the victim refuses and therefore the thief shoots the person. The thief is caught by the police and brought to justice and they set him free. They claim the thief is innocent because he give the victim the free choice. HAHAHA This is hilarious.﻿

When you're God, you can do ANYTHING you want, and you CAN'T STAND it because you are a MORTAL who's SLOWLY DYING.

GIVE UP and SURRENDER to JESUS!!!

HE LOVES YOU and SATAN wants you to be like him: an IDIOT!﻿

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angela jakob8:18 AM

God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!

Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.

Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

Please comment to these instead of demonstrating how devout you are if you are able to do this.﻿

+angela jakob By eunuch Jesus meant celibacy obviously. He also said to cut off your arm.if it causes you to sin. Was He being literal? No. It was a metaphor for causes. Cut off the things the make you sin. And all that destruction from the Old Testament was God's Justice being enacted.﻿

+angela jakobHave you been raped by your own father, that you have become such a BITCH?The first Satanist was a woman: Eve.You could have been a JESUIT (but they don't like women) with your satanic ideas about God-the Lord JESUS and the Bible.God Himself is the LIGHT so he didn't need other sources of light when He started to create, and the earth is NOT spinning and ALL the other celestial bodies revolve around it.Heliocentrism is a big lie, promoted by the Jesuits, just like the fairy tale called 'evolution'.God=JESUS is the creator of TIME, though it's an ILLUSION, because there is NO time and God exists in the eternal NOW.

ALL animals (and plants) were MEEK before the Fall.God CURSED His own creation, after the rebellion of Eve and Adam in order to teach them a lesson.He could have killed them right away and cast them into the lake of fire, together with Satan and the other fallen angels, but that's not what he wanted.

He wants to hold and keep as many people as possible, so therefore He commanded human kind to procreate and He made sex so attractive that this wasn't really a a difficult assignment.Of course the downside is and was that most crimes are sexually related and even WARS.(Big) guns and missiles are nothing but phallus symbols, and there is no difference in behavior between humans and chimpanzees, due to the fall.But why do MEN fight?Because of the woMEN!Humans have become LIKE animals, after the Fall.This has NOTHING to do with 'evolution', but with God's CURSE.

And you know what?

God can ONLY SAVE ANIMALS! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/03/thank-god-for-creation-of-animals.html﻿

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angela jakob2:05 AM

That’s why Christian groups cry foul when someone points out flaws in their religion. It’s not their emotions that are so fragile: It’s their faith. Because Christianity, like all religions, simply cannot stand up to questioning. It’s why so many parts of the Bible actively denounce questioning faith. It’s why Christians have to run out of talks and make press releases about persecution. Because Christianity crumbles in the face of history, biology, and analytical thinking. Silencing dissent is the only way for Christianity to survive.Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Jesus is equal AND lesser. There is something called the dogma of the Holy Trinity. This Catholic teaching affirms that there are three Divine Persons, but only one God. The three Divine Persons are the Father, The Son, And the Holy Ghost. The Catholic Encyclopedia says this:"Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system."

Also, Jesus had two natures, fully human and fully Divine. "The Father is greater" affirms His Humanity, and "The Father and I are one" affirms His Divinity and Co-Equality with The Father.﻿jum hitty4:22 AM

+angela jakob part 2 :

Is it folly to be wise or not?Obviously not!The book of Ecclesiasticus (Sirach in modern Bibles), which is not included in protestant bibles, speaks very highly of wisdom (Ecc. 4:12-19):

"Wisdom teaches her childrenand admonishes all who can understand her. Those who love her love life;those who seek her out win the LORD’s favor. Those who hold her fast will attain glory, and they shall abide in the blessing of the LORD. Those who serve her serve the Holy One;

those who love her the Lord loves.“Whoever obeys me will judge nations;whoever listens to me will dwell in my inmost chambers. If they remain faithful, they will possess me;their descendants too will inherit me. I will walk with them in disguise,and at first I will test them with trials.Fear and dread I will bring upon themand I will discipline them with my constraints.When their hearts are fully with me, then I will set them again on the straight path and reveal my secrets to them. But if they turn away from me, I will abandon themand deliver them over to robbers.”And here is a verse from the Book of Wisdom, another book not found in the protestant bible (Wisdom 6:12-21):

Resplendent and unfading is Wisdom,and she is readily perceived by those who love her,and found by those who seek her. She hastens to make herself known to those who desire her; one who watches for her at dawn will not be disappointed, for she will be found sitting at the gate. For setting your heart on her is the perfection of prudence,and whoever keeps vigil for her is quickly free from care; Because she makes her rounds, seeking those worthy of her, and graciously appears to them on the way,and goes to meet them with full attention. For the first step toward Wisdom is an earnest desire for discipline; then, care for discipline is love of her; love means the keeping of her laws; To observe her laws is the basis for incorruptibility; and incorruptibility makes one close to God; thus the desire for Wisdom leads to a kingdom. If, then, you find pleasure in throne and scepter, you princes of peoples,honor Wisdom, that you may reign as kings forever."

What Ecclesiastes 1:18 is saying is that the more you know, the more knowledge you have about things, the more is expected from you, and the more severe your punishment; because you had knowledge of and refused to heed to it. Like if you have the knowledge that something is a grave sin, and you still do it, you will be punished more so than of you didn't know. Therefore you have "greif" because you have to diligently avoid that sin, because you have knowledge of it. If you were wise, and your eyes were "open" in a world full of "Closed-eyes", then wouldn't you feel grief? St. Anselm says this:

"For the more thoroughly a man understands [has knowledge] what his soul’s maladies are, the more abundant food has he for sighs and grief. Thus, in truth, meditation engenders knowledge, knowledge invites to compunction, compunction urges to devotion, and devotion leads to prayer. By habits of unremitting meditation man is so enlightened as to know himself, whilst in the practice of compunction his heart is touched with an intimate sorrow from the contemplation of its ills.

17 -For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom [eloquency, pride] of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

18 - For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.

19 - For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.

20 - Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world?

21- For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world, by [PROUD] wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness [simplicity] of our preaching, to save them that believe."

I see nothing about calling wisdom folly here. Just more Cherrypicking.﻿jum hitty4:22 AM

+angela jakob Part 3:

About Genesis, the "days"issue isn't an issue. I highly doubt that modern English "day is equivalent to ancient Greek or Hebrew "day." Genesis is very allegorical and deep. Also, Elohim would refer to the 3 Divine Persons. And where do you see Elohim in the passage? And how do you know that God created male and female at the same time? Genesis 1 says "Male and female He created them" and in Genesis 2, it goes more into depth as to how it happened. This type of writing is common throughout scripture, especially the Gospels, where one passage may mention a detail or event and in another later passage or chapter that detail is clarified. So Genesis 1 says that He created both male and female as a whole while Genesis 2 splits up the creation into correct chronological order. About Genesis 2:

After speaking about the Sabbath rest, and how God had blessed and sanctified this day, Scripture returns to the narrative of the initial establishment of creation, this time passing over, with only a few words, things it had already spoken of and recounting at greater length matters it had previously omitted. Thus it begins to describe the history of creation for a second time: "These are the generations of heaven and earth when they were created on the day that God made heaven and earth. None of the trees of the field was yet in existence, and the vegetation had not yet sprouted, seeing that He had not yet caused rain to fall on the earth, and Adam was not there to work on the earth. A fountain went up and irrigated the surface of the earth." [ Gen. 2:4 ]

You should realize, reader, that even though the days of creation were completed and Scripture had pronounced a blessing on the Sabbath day that had been sanctified and had brought it to a close, it now reverts to narrating the very beginning of the acts of creation, even though the days of these acts had come to an end.

"These are the generations of heaven and of earth," [ Gen2:4 ] that is to say, this is the narrative of the establishment of heaven and earth "on the day that the Lord made heaven and earth, for none of the trees of the field had yet come into being, and the vegetation had not sprouted." [ Gen. 2:5 ] It is quite true that these had not been created, seeing that these were made on the third day. [ cf. Gen. 1:9-13 ] Now it was not without reason that Scripture introduced on the first day mention of things created on the third.

For it says, "The trees were not in existence and the vegetation had not yet sprouted, seeing that the Lord had not caused rain to fall on the earth. A fountain went up from the earth to irrigate the surface of the earth." [ Gen2:5,2:6 ] Since everything was and is born through the interaction of water and earth, Scripture took care to indicate that trees and vegetation were not created at the same time as the earth, seeing that rain had not yet fallen. But after the great fountain of the great primordial deep had gone up and irrigated the entire surface of the earth, then, once the waters had been gathered together on the third day, the earth gave birth to all sorts of vegetation on the very same day.

first day are the same as those which issued from this fountain, covering, in a twinkling of an eye, the entire earth. This is the fountain which was opened up in the days of Noah, covering over all mountains on the earth. Now this fountain did not come up from under the earth, but from the earth, for it explicitly says "the fountain was coming up"--not from beneath the earth, but " from the earth." That these waters in the earth do not precede the earth in time is testified by the fact that the earth carries them in its womb.So "the fountain went up from the earth," as Scripture says, "and it irrigated the surface of the entire earth." [ Gen2:6 ] The earth then produced trees, vegetation and plants. It was not the case that God was unable to generate everything from the earth in any other way, but, because it was His will that the earth should give birth through the agency of water, He provided an initial beginning for this process, corresponding to the way in which it would be carried on until the end.Having spoken about what had been omitted and left untold on the first day, Scripture reverts to the description of Adam's fashioning as follows: "And Adam was not there to work on the earth." [ Gen. 2:5 ] Indeed he was not in existence during all the days prior to the sixth, because it was on the sixth day that he was created. [Gen. 1:26-7, 31]So on the sixth day "the Lord fashioned dust from the ground into Adam, and He breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and Adam became a living being." [ Gen2:7,2:8,2:9 ] Although animals, cattle and birds came into being at the same moment that they received life, in Adam's case God honored him in a variety of ways: first, because it is said that God "fashioned him with His hands and He breathed a soul into him" [ Gen2:7 ] ; He also gave him authority over Paradise and what is outside Paradise; and He wrapped him in glory and gave him reason, thought and an awareness of the Majesty.Having spoken of the honored way in which Adam was fashioned, Scripture turns to describe Paradise and Adam's introduction into it: "And the Lord planted Paradise in Eden of old, and He placed there Adam whom He had fashioned. " [ 2:8 ]Now Eden is the land of Paradise. By "of old" Scripture means that He planted it on the third day; it explains this with the words "the Lord caused to sprout from the earth every kind of tree that is beautiful to look upon and good to eat" [ Gen2:9 ] ; and to show that this refers to Paradise, it says, "and the Tree of Life was in the midst of Paradise, and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil." [ Gen2:9﻿angela jakob4:25 AM

I think you are the most fanatical hopeless person i ever read posts from, your so filled with hatred and negativity. Too brainwashed unable to take responsible for your own actions, attacking other people with brain dead useless arguments to justify your own socio pathic beliefs. I do not believe you have many friends because you could harm them with your negative uneducated attitude, there is not a shred of real intelligence in you, you are just as rational as my guinea pig but my guinea pig is much more loving than you are, you are a prisoner in your own hell created by your self where a God full of anger and hatred threatens with hell and damnation if you do not love his shitty attitude. This is the last reply, i cannot expect any common sense from you cannot even answer the most simple questions. Btw my Dad was cool he thought me to think for my self and not just believe anything because the stupid masses do so with their sheep like behaviour. I wish you a lot of fun with your devils and demons which are actually not outside you but reside in you. Please save your efforts to convince someone with the same brain deficit as your self with all your non rational airy fairy stuff.﻿jum hitty4:26 AM

+Hans S will you calm down geez﻿angela jakob4:33 AM

He is in one of his religious deliriums, you cannot blame him, its some kind of mental disorder, you should feel sorry for him. He does not make me angry, i cannot expect a lot from this guy as demonstrated by his inability to give rational responses on my questions, he avoids them, tries to impress me with hell and damnation which i find rather hilarious. When people get angry you see their real personality popping up under the sugar coating called being civilized. I do not get angry it just makes me tired, but as a optimist i always hoped for a rational comment, but some religious people just cannot deliver and thats why do not wish to reply to his ranting anymore.﻿tim spangler4:34 AM

angela...what's with that crack about me being part of the inquisition? Hallucinate much?﻿Martin Cesar Florendo7:28 AM

The usual play of words of Hans S. Religion in this context is a set of beliefs. Christian religion is a set of beliefs where most of its sects adore as God and claims to interpret correctly Christ's teaching.﻿Glenn Treble11:07 AM

Well if that were true this video would be a farce and scam or story sci fiction. according to what your saying! So do you believe everything that is said and shown in video? Yes or No and Why?﻿

To you catholic haters..........Voila Angela !!! The fruit of your name-calling and private interpretation of Scriptures that Peter warned us against in 2 Peter 1:20. Angela has been so threatened by your 'ideas' of God, that she has run to the arms of the evil one. Repent !!!﻿angela jakob9:10 PM

Was Jesus a catholic, let me think, nope he followed the Jewish religion. I do not hate Catholics, that would be generalization. I just do not tolerate blind jealous fundamentalism. The compulsory drive to preach hell and damnation of people who do not share their delusions, the lack of answering questions because of their inability to do so. I am not threatened because i do not share your delusions i find them quite amusing, it just reinforces how brainwashed many are, People like you are so funny, and there fore thank you if it was not for people like you we had nothing to laugh about. Btw say hello from me to your imaginary friend.﻿jum hitty9:14 PM

+angela jakob I don't understand why people use that "argument"...why would Jesus have to be Catholic for people to be Catholic????? That legitimately makes no sense in any single way. According the Catholic teaching, he INSTITUTED the Church. He obviously wouldn't have to be Catholic, since He started the religion Himself.﻿jum hitty9:14 PM

This was my way of thinking for ten years, after the DEMONIC PUBLIC school system had POISONED my mind with 'the THEORY of evolution', which was concocted by the SATANIC JESUITS, which I know now.

EVOLUTION IS SATANISM!!!!!!

It's a MONSTROSITY from the PITS of HELL and from the EVIL VATICAN and Satan himself.

Satan is a JESUIT https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/09/satan-is-jesuit_3.html﻿

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angela jakob7:38 AM

It seems you do not seem to understand the difference between facts and belief. Ever heard of cognitive dissonance, just google it. If ask if they can explain some biblical contradictions and they avoid it by cursing me as some imaginary devil it seems they cannot handle the scientific facts.

+Hans S You need to STOP being a relogious BULLY. From what I'm 'seeing' , most Christians who hide behind a Mithraic (pagan) fish on their bumper, inmo, are clearly : worshipping, serving and submitting to the gods of : fear, ego, materialism, and status, CALLING THOSE gods - Jesus (the) Christ. I call that the blind bondage of socialized secular conformity living in prisons that we build to keep us safe from preditors with nefarious agendas. In my view here in the buckle of the Bible belt, many appear to be : window lickin, helment wearing, Bible thumpin, cousin humpin, ill bred, under read, knuckle dragging, troglodite, Neanderthal Darwin Award Candidates with a sense of entitlement, (who, in large part appear to not have done much homework since they plagarized their high school term paper.) Though the hive does not seem to be 'divinely inspired' (true to the the brainwashed indoctrination) seem to find it acceptable protocol to consistantly try to bully / control others, through means of religious extortion .... ( based upon a composit of alleged Historical characters consolidated into one.) By choosing to remain in the quicksand of : Deluded denial, Cognitive Dissonance and Stockholm Syndrome, ( FEARING accountability) , no wonder so many have to play Hide and Seek from themselves (and their demons) by chemically desensotizing into a dopamine and phenylethalain based euphoric dystopia, (with pharma and alchohol) just to get through the day. Anyway I grew up in churches and had that crammed down my throat. You picked the WRONG person to bully with your prophaganda. So kindly carry that somewhere ELSE.﻿Lynn HicksSep 22, 2016+343

Especially the young men these days. Caught by brainwashing tv and games.﻿Amy Andersen (Ocdesignzz)Sep 22, 2016+121

+Lynn Hicks yes! ﻿JULIAN GREENWOOD12:26 AM

So.... what i need to do to be a real man?Do i have to go to the capitol and start shooting rounds at members of the congress?﻿JuliaSugarbaker2:47 AM+121

+Hans S Some of us consider it abusive for you to shove your : man made,hypocritic, cherry picking fear based, Mithraic religion down their throats. But, since you feel the need to do so, you open the door wide open for me to tell you to shove your God right up your arse til you choke on it.﻿Amy Andersen (Ocdesignzz)3:01 AM

+JULIAN GREENWOOD I'm talking about the men that sit at home and play video games all day/night long. Like the one I have here! That's pissing me off! 😈﻿Hans S5:48 AM

Food for thought. ~ At the end of the day, we've all been : lied to, falsely judged, betrayed, bullied, misunderstood, beaten down, and are all operating from a place of fear / ego based social conformity. We learn that to survive will require us to learn to read : people, energy, and intentionality. And, we all know that talk is cheap and at the end of the day : actions, respect, empathetic compassion and 'the walk' tells the tale. I've often heard the following said in reference to Christians, : pyasly santimonious, judgmentally hypocritic, bigotted, cherry picking homophobes, but most of all --- ( anytime someone disagrees and doesnt validate their fear - ego) ...., angrily reactive ! Many of us have experienced far too much : judgment, bulling, " assaults" , persecution, and 'angry reaction' at the hands and forked tongues of organized religion and oftem because we didnt find the indoctrination that was being forcably shoved down our throat to be particularly paletable. Let alone logical or based upon Historical evidentuary supported, verifyable fact. Asking questions and disagreeing is generally where the reactive anger and judgment towards everyone who believes differently. And, there's no plausible deniability to that. Ive often thoght to myself how sad to see those poor people are clearly playing hide and seek from an illusive God whom they clearly are not inspired to know. And sadly, with most (NOT all) who identify as "Christian". that seems to be the rule, stead of the exception. So, that alone forces the legion of "blaspheming heathens" , misfits and disposables back into survival mode and to build our walls even higher. And maybe even add a moat.. It forces any rational, reasonable person to question the integrity ( of any : man made / (see : Flavius Constantine / Nicean Council - King James -1611), based upon mechanisms of control (fear - guilt - shame "extortion"? ) I'd say that many who drive round with a Mithraic pagan fish on theor bumper, are actually worshipping a god of the flesh / : ego, materialism, status, fear, massochism.) I'd say that most who profess to be serving Jesus (the) Christ might be already serving the forces of darkness. If they arent divinely inspired to walk it, why should we want to join your club ? In my mind it begs the question, which G/god are they truly serving ?﻿

+JuliaSugarbakerWell, it's obvious you serve 'me, myself and I'=SATAN=adversary.Get rid of your GOD-COMPLEX!There's only ONE God and JESUS is His name!He loves you and He wants to SAVE you and Satan hates you and he wants to use you and then DESTROY you.﻿JuliaSugarbaker4:01 PM