Who chooses the flavor of the cupcake 🧁 emoji, why is Microsoft's ant 🐜 red, and would a white wine 🍷 emoji be a help or a hindrance? With special guests Judy Safran-Aasen and Mike LaJoie from the team behind Microsoft's emoji font.

🍏 A very special guest: one of the designers behind Apple's original emoji set, Angela Guzman, joins the show. These designs are some of the best known in the world. What went into making them, and which ones stand out 10 years later?