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"part of history" not mine. It was just a convenient marriage of ragga and rave, yet these people didn't want to go to the earlier all night parties, IDIOTS.

"So Solid" , wasn't this programme called "Soul" Nation" for fcuk's sake.
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On a note away from the show content, the MAIN reason in MY mind that the word soulfull House in the UK! has been blighted by the So Solid crew and there Speed garage UK Garage RUBBISH !

Why's that you ask , because the promoters doing these events WILL NOT GET A LOOK in, why ? - because THESE SPEED /UK GARAGE PROMOTERS CANNOT GET A VENUE AS THE VENUES HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THERE TROUBLES, SHOOTING, STABBING whcih are associated with these type of events in the UK. So these fools dress it up now AS Soulfull house so they can carry on doing clubs , they jumped ship due to their OWN **** UPS !, same as the way the trance heads are now name dropping "funky house", it's good for us though, now they need to call in people that DO have a ****ing clue
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I caught it about halfway through and I must admit , I was'nt much impressed . And it made me laugh about "Moschino with the price tags on" , I feel completely alienated from that scene and as you put it , it was not and could never be part of my history .
Not to hate on the music though if it's your bag then be it , but you can't help but see straight through the bull can you ? .

LOL Martin we miss you! man oh man I was cracking up at this situation,I feel where your coming from.At the Interface Pirate Radio Show,at least 90% is this ragga-drum-n bass and so called house,just cracks me up!! I have it seems the only show with some soul in it.And I get hate real-time chat about why I dont play Tech or D&B.lol lol I dont care i play house I write and if you dont like it,well go find the next guy coming on.Its unaceptable..anyway thanks for the report.

C'mon this was our punk rock. Music that was fresh & rebellious. To call it "ragga music for drug heads." is ignorant.

"Oh my god they are talking about UK Garage and Moschino shirts and leaving the tag on clothes so people know the make, ****ING TWATS ! cheesey rubbish nonsense that is for Trevor Nelson sellout ass !"

This was at Twice as Nice, which originally started as a house night. I know it looks as corny as hell but I actually used to do the same thing. It was about being a broke youth wanting to look like I was making money. I'm sure you must have had a "fashion" when you were young.

"UK - UK - UK - our own sound - **** off Trevor UK up your ass."

Not sure what this is directed at but the uk does have it's own sound, which was born from jungle. It went on to produce uk garage and is now very much evident in broken beat. I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Do you?

I personally enjoyed the programme for what it was. People who were pasionate about music, that touched THEIR soul.

Originally posted by mr startist: hmmm, I got to disagee with some of things you've said here.

jungle = ragga music for drug heads.

C'mon this was our punk rock. Music that was fresh & rebellious. To call it "ragga music for drug heads." is ignorant.

"Oh my god they are talking about UK Garage and Moschino shirts and leaving the tag on clothes so people know the make, ****ING TWATS ! cheesey rubbish nonsense that is for Trevor Nelson sellout ass !"

This was at Twice as Nice, which originally started as a house night. I know it looks as corny as hell but I actually used to do the same thing. It was about being a broke youth wanting to look like I was making money. I'm sure you must have had a "fashion" when you were young.

"UK - UK - UK - our own sound - **** off Trevor UK up your ass."

Not sure what this is directed at but the uk does have it's own sound, which was born from jungle. It went on to produce uk garage and is now very much evident in broken beat. I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Do you?

I personally enjoyed the programme for what it was. People who were pasionate about music, that touched THEIR soul.

ahahhahah @ Startist wearing the price tags on his new shirts back at twice as nice.

Martin, you a) worry too much b) complain too much and c) need to leave others to enjoy whatever it is that they do. I'd like to see you sit down with Trevor Nelson and discuss all this.

If the media ever again got hold of your lovely 'purist house music' or whatever you want to call it (which is unlikely as there is very little money in house) then they would rip the whole thing apart from the seams, this would make you cry even more.

I think your take on 'Jungle/Drum and Bass' is laughable. This is one of the few scene's that was born out of the UK and that was originally as fast moving/undergound/and exciting as we have ever had. As for it being 'ragga music for drug heads' c'mon man, where you really in London checking out the scene (Drum and bass)in the early 90's? Did you go to the Paradise Club (which is now a shopping centre) did you go to the Blue Note when Goldie ran the place? It seems you did not. Do you remember when before jungle was jungle? Jungle techno was the term that was used. The Techno part gor dropped to save on the over usage of words.

I realise I don't know you but for real, your comments on every single televised dance music documentary are always pretty negative. I just wanted to point out that the media never really represents any historical documentation of any underground scene to its exact appearance. There will always be errors and missperceptions of the scene, question is, are you doing anything about it or simply sitting at your computer bitchin?

I think Martin has made some very valid points & there's nothing wrong with bitchin', this is a forum for f**ks sake !
I didn't watch last nights programme, a) I knew that it covered music that I'm not down with b) I was disappointed with the first two programmes c) I was getting bored with seeing Trevor N's X5 BMW at every oportunity !

I hope the programme covered Bobbi & Steve's Garage City nights when it started at Joe's in Duke St back in 90-91, I know there was High on Hope & others in the Capitol & no doubt around the country but they were the first to play proper garage/house from the first to the last record all night.
Also, Leo's night SPEED at the Milk Bar (also know as Ivories/Mars) with Bukem & Fabio, although not strictly soul in the true sense of the word but it was ground breaking as far as drum & bass is concerned.
I remember Paradise Club (now N1 Angel shopping centre) & The Blue Note/Bass Clef (Hoxton Square) but IMO I had some good nights at these venues but they did not bring anything new that would be worth mentioning in a documentry.

"I remember Paradise Club (now N1 Angel shopping centre) & The Blue Note/Bass Clef (Hoxton Square) but IMO I had some good nights at these venues but they did not bring anything new that would be worth mentioning in a documentry."

I'm sorry but this is bullshit IMO. Yes I remember the Milk Bar etc etc. So what was it that these places actually gave to London in terms of the Drum and Bass scene, just a space for Ragga boys to get high. I see, how missinformed and wrong we all were back then.

Re: Martin entitled to his opinion, I agree. We (startist and I) were simply making our observations on his observations. Likewise on yours.

I actually quite enjoyed it (until Craig David came on and I, not surprisingly, fell asleep on the sofa).

Although I was more in to the house scene rather than DnB and Jungle it's impact and legacy cannot be ignored.

Although I didn't think my very bad opinion on them would change, after seeing this I have a different impression of the So Solid Crew.

There was a much better documentary on BBC 4 last night - a profile of Linton Kwesi Johnson. I started watching half way through. The most interestin part imo was some middle-aged well spoken White Englishman talking about LKJ. He said words to the effect that LKJ is a prophet in the UK - but the problem is that he is listened to more by blacks than whites, when it is British Whites that really ought to be listening to what he's got to say. A prophet and a genius indeed.

Sorry Bran but I can't believe you could of been at SPEED if your observations were ' just a space for Ragga boys to get high'....that is a major insult to a club night that was the first to play jazz influenced drum and bass (also tagged "intelligent" back then).
All the artist of the day would be in attendance to hear their tracks played for the first time -
Hidden Agenda, Source Direct, Photek, Goldie, Rob Playford etc etc Bjork was a regular and you can hear how the club influenced her in later work (she mentions the Milk Bar toilets on the album Debut).

And if you think "intelligent" was new you need to listen to Miles Davis some more

Originally posted by Bran W: ahahhahah @ Startist wearing the price tags on his new shirts back at twice as nice.

Yes, ahahhahah, oooh how we laughed

Originally posted by Bran W:
Martin, you a) worry too much

Don’t worry about it, it’s called passion and being passionate about things, you wouldn’t understand , don’t worry about it, move on.

Originally posted by Bran W:
b) complain too much

Right, you should have read the title, that may have given you a clue , instead you jumped in, who’s the fool. Passionate, again you wouldn’t understand - move on.

Originally posted by Bran W:
c) need to leave others to enjoy whatever it is that they do. I'd like to see you sit down with Trevor Nelson and discuss all this.

Why don’t you email him if you wish !, here I am ! , Oh sorry he’s probably hanging around with Mystique or Interviewing M&M or Craig David or So Silid fools , no actually he’s in Thailand doing the Holiday show on BBC1, “Proper Bo”. Email him perhaps, see if he has time to spend on an NON UK message board, uurrrm why would that give you pleasure, you just missed a ride on some coat tails perhaps.

Originally posted by Bran W:
If the media ever again got hold of your lovely 'purist house music' or whatever you want to call it (which is unlikely as there is very little money in house) then they would rip the whole thing apart from the seams, this would make you cry even more.

Ass u me - You don’t know shit about me what I buy, what I play, what I have done , so go and buy me and Chicken and mushroom pie and rub it into my pubic area.
“your beloved house” as in mine – (no) , urrrrrrm
ARE YOU INTO HOUSE ? , perhaps not as much as me, move on , perhaps to another website.

Go to the viewing room ON THIS SITE, and watch Pump up the volume, it was on UK’s channel 4, but you probably missed it. Or back around 89 Club Culture another show, you need to turn over from proper bo Urban cable videos perhaps , you may catch these shows ON UK TV.

I ain't crying, thats the problem with these FOOLS, glass houses and not being up for a discussion, say what you see.

Originally posted by Bran W:
I think your take on 'Jungle/Drum and Bass' is laughable. This is one of the few scene's that was born out of the UK and that was originally as fast moving/undergound/and exciting as we have ever had. As for it being 'ragga music for drug heads' c'mon man, where you really in London checking out the scene

No ! where you in Birmingham checking out your , you people and your center of the universe make me sick That’s why you lot missed house first time, your to centred around what is really a TOURIST city (this is aimed at Brian and not the other loveley member from London)

Missiles are “fast moving” as you put it , doesn’t mean they are good for creation.
I witnessed enough to know that MC’s where mainly hooligans or scumbags that people would be to scared to retrieve the mike of these egotistical arseholes, chatting rubbish most of the time, I am surprised you could hear the music with the incessant nonsense, ****ing blues parties with people that missed the true REVOLUTION.

Climb out of your own London arse for a minute , where THE **** is GOLDIE from – Walsall , OK “mate”. Walsall is near here !

That’s the problems with these Ayia Napa up there own arse Moschino shirt wearing bad boy crack heads, they think the ****ing universe revolves around them, **** that ! get out of the city ‘boys’, you will like it and realize that people could really give a **** about your bollocks, **** so solid, ayia napa Trevor nelson, craig david and all the other lovin lovin lovin it (themselves more like) Twice and Nice and all the other BULLSHIT you brought to the UK, London twats like this cannot face it because nicer more clued up people who aren’t interested and don’t knock in your circles, the decent people aren’t interested in you self obsessed nonsense.

Ever heard of B R I S T O L , stick that in your crack pipe.

Originally posted by Bran W:
(Drum and bass)

See above,

Yeah when I start getting paid for my story you can critique it. Simple.

Originally posted by Mark Gurney: Sorry Bran but I can't believe you could of been at SPEED if your observations were ' just a space for Ragga boys to get high'....that is a major insult to a club night that was the first to play jazz influenced drum and bass (also tagged "intelligent" back then).
All the artist of the day would be in attendance to hear their tracks played for the first time -
Hidden Agenda, Source Direct, Photek, Goldie, Rob Playford etc etc Bjork was a regular and you can hear how the club influenced her in later work (she mentions the Milk Bar toilets on the album Debut).

Although Space was ok, for me this was when d'n'b became safe. I prefered the atmosphere & energy that could be found at Thunder & Joy and Roast. The musc had a voice and an opinion, when it moved to the jazzier side it became "middle class" and polite.

"Thatís why you lot missed house first time, your to centred around what is really a TOURIST city "

I did just glance at this bit. Martin, you know nothing about me, where I'm from, where I've been, what I do and don't know, what I've done, the people I've met. Likewise from me to you. I simply posted up my thoughts on your comments.

Take your head out of your arse for one moment and 'you' think again before making assumptions.

Originally posted by Mark Gurney: Sorry Bran but I can't believe you could of been at SPEED if your observations were ' just a space for Ragga boys to get high'....that is a major insult to a club night that was the first to play jazz influenced drum and bass (also tagged "intelligent" back then).
All the artist of the day would be in attendance to hear their tracks played for the first time -
Hidden Agenda, Source Direct, Photek, Goldie, Rob Playford etc etc Bjork was a regular and you can hear how the club influenced her in later work (she mentions the Milk Bar toilets on the album Debut).

My bad grammar. Was meant to be '?' after ' just a space for Ragga boys to get high' therfore having hidden sarcasm and actually suggesting i wasn't making that remark. My fault.

Yes, I went to both Speed and the Milk Bar. I even have vague memories of Busby's some time ealier in life.

Originally posted by mr startist: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mark Gurney: Sorry Bran but I can't believe you could of been at SPEED if your observations were ' just a space for Ragga boys to get high'....that is a major insult to a club night that was the first to play jazz influenced drum and bass (also tagged "intelligent" back then).
All the artist of the day would be in attendance to hear their tracks played for the first time -
Hidden Agenda, Source Direct, Photek, Goldie, Rob Playford etc etc Bjork was a regular and you can hear how the club influenced her in later work (she mentions the Milk Bar toilets on the album Debut).

Although Space was ok, for me this was when d'n'b became safe. I prefered the atmosphere & energy that could be found at Thunder & Joy and Roast. The musc had a voice and an opinion, when it moved to the jazzier side it became "middle class" and polite. </font>[/QUOTE]Roast certainly had it's own little sense of 'terror' going in there.

Originally posted by Bran W: "That’s why you lot missed house first time, your to centred around what is really a TOURIST city "

I did just glance at this bit. Martin, you know nothing about me, where I'm from, where I've been, what I do and don't know, what I've done, the people I've met. Likewise from me to you. I simply posted up my thoughts on your comments.

Take your head out of your arse for one moment and 'you' think again before making assumptions.

Peace
B

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If you had read first time you, instead of skipping through you would have realised I had already said the same thing in regards to you.