hi i just finnished reading that other thread on the board about annarchism and it dissapointed me. nothing but yuma and spie bitching at each other for 15 pages and no real discussion (dont ask why a spent so much time on it it is irrelevent.

so lets talk annarchism. i will define it as an anti-authoritarian, anti capitalist philosophy. where one governs themselves and the individuole is encouraged. for some reading and reference to the kind of anarchism i am talking about here is a link:

i prsonnally beleave this a great concept that we should strive for. first however it requires a cultural revolution b4 a political or economic one can be considerd. we must wipe out materialsm.

say your thoughts on this and argue the application of these principals. QUIT THE BITCHING!!! i cant really stop you though so if it happens i will just start a new thread.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:55 pm

duke_city

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I'm curious as to what examples we can look to for contrasting.

Can you or anyone else list some Anarchies that have existed in the past that lasted for a significant amount of time ( > 1 year).

Brian

Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:59 pm

August Spies

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Quote: Can you or anyone else list some Anarchies that have existed in the past that lasted for a significant amount of time ( > 1 year).

I listed a couple in the previous thread, the spanish anarchists lasted for over two years until the fascists eventually won. Some of the proto-anarchist pirate utopias lasted for a long time.

Certain native american tribes lived in very anarchist states (not all of course)

It is also important to keep in mind that most of human existence was in some sort of anarchistitc state. Human civilization, from what we know, is only a small fraction of human existence.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:03 pm

hugh grants hookerGuest

philosophy majors baffle me.

"i will define it"

no you wont. it already has been defined.

why wont you people just admit it? you are talking more about libertarian socialism than anarchy.

WHY the hell wont you just use the proper terms? elementary school shouldve taught you word usage.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:04 pm

August Spies

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Personsally I think of anarchism like this: aiming for the stars to hit the tree tops.

I don't think a 100% anarchist society is practicale or possible, but it is sort of prinicple we should aim for.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:04 pm

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dallasbboy wrote: I'm curious as to what examples we can look to for contrasting.

Can you or anyone else list some Anarchies that have existed in the past that lasted for a significant amount of time ( > 1 year).

Brian

i am not sure if anarchies are synonmous with autonomous communities, but there is Basque County in Spain.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:09 pm

duke_city

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August Spies wrote:

Quote: Can you or anyone else list some Anarchies that have existed in the past that lasted for a significant amount of time ( > 1 year).

I listed a couple in the previous thread, the spanish anarchists lasted for over two years until the fascists eventually won. Some of the proto-anarchist pirate utopias lasted for a long time.

Certain native american tribes lived in very anarchist states (not all of course)

It is also important to keep in mind that most of human existence was in some sort of anarchistitc state. Human civilization, from what we know, is only a small fraction of human existence.

What historical events brought about these Anarchies? I don't see them as being necessarily a safer nor more logical alternative to a normal capitalist society. Being that human beings are fickle and complacent by nature.

If you learn to play the game right even in the US, Capitalism isn't so bad.

Brian

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:12 pm

Samtron

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oh god yuma and spie followed me

first yuma the link gave at the start to act as a more apropiat guidline to what im talking about does define annarchism as a kind of libertarian socialism. you contradicted yourself (i know its in the link somewhere just do some diggin if you dont beleave me) i said it merely to end debate over the meaning and start something about the practical aspects of an annarchist society (libertarian socialist society...wut ever). think about this cold you raise a kid in an anrachist society? how might crime ( by this i mean oppression of other and violations of a persons right to be) be dealt with? and wut might a vialble alternative to this objective be?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:14 pm

Samtron

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here are some examples of "annarchy in action" from the first link i gave you all at the beginning:

you guys act like a democratic version of society can be refered to as an anarchy. no. its not.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:19 pm

Samtron

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and another thing...( sorry but hings just keep comming to mind) i am not a phillosophy major and have never taken a course on it once. they r right you really know how to push a guys buttons.

plus capitalism can rot in hell because it gives advantage to people who r completely equal to other who deserve the same oppurtunities. ie. unniversity tuition fees are an obstacle that shouldn't have to exist. it creates inequality. to the point where we r not all born equal. no one should prosper if people are suffering. no has the right to take prosperity from someone. not to blame the rich and "successful". they cant be asked to give it all up but that difference should never be made.

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:27 pm

hugh grants hookerGuest

i just figured you were, since you're putting some philosophers opinion in a higher position than the dictionary.

just a reminder... there is a real definition of this word. some people dont seem to understand it though.

an·ar·chism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nr-kzm)
n.
1 The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2 Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3 Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: “He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity” (Bertrand Russell).

(Note that def. #1 says ALL gov. that would include democracy)

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:35 pm

Samtron

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you cant define a philosophy by a dictionary deffinition espescially one like annarchism. as annarchism is very individual it changes constantly. a dictionairy is just about a general deffination not a complete concept. and the link i gave you all does have everything i say it has. hell i am mostly regurgetating wut it says. simply because i like those arguments. plus it uses material from many of the big annarchist philosophers.

but back to the point wut does everyone think of annarchism or liberian socialism (pls forgive spelling)? i am considering them the same thing.