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Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

@SuXrys It's more she sided with me. I was suspicious of Scruffy since day one. Still am but The Butcher pulled a really odd move this phase. Not to mention it's starting to look like Scruffy built a bit of an immunity due to his followers. And how is someone following me, but not scruffy under scrutiny? There's still the Duo mafia, independents and the like. How do we not know if there isn't a third small faction of independents working together against the mafia and townies. As had been pointed out before some voted with him without giving much if any reason. And I think it's something that warrants investigation yet everyone is content to just write him off. Which is a very dangerous move.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

And I think it's something that warrants investigation yet everyone is content to just write him off. Which is a very dangerous move.

I think most people let Scruffy off because wolf or independent, he has indeed helped lynch 2 Wolves already. This is the indisputable truth. Of course I'm not sure what his role is, and he could still be one of the NF Duo Mafia, but his action in the previous 2 day phases has been pro-Town. If an independent or an NF mafia can help us remove more mafia from the game, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend, for now at least. You can't be telling me you're still gonna vote for Scruffy, are you? ._.

Btw, too many people are making it clear that they're passively waiting for slips. I suggest you not rely solely on this. And I'll wait for more people to surface. No use try to drag people out.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

@SuXrys It's more she sided with me. I was suspicious of Scruffy since day one. Still am but The Butcher pulled a really odd move this phase. Not to mention it's starting to look like Scruffy built a bit of an immunity due to his followers. And how is someone following me, but not scruffy under scrutiny? There's still the Duo mafia, independents and the like. How do we not know if there isn't a third small faction of independents working together against the mafia and townies. As had been pointed out before some voted with him without giving much if any reason. And I think it's something that warrants investigation yet everyone is content to just write him off. Which is a very dangerous move.

True. But it's as Animeyay just wrote: even if he is a wolf or an independent he has still helpt the town getting rid of two wolfs. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend, for now at least". Judging from peoples post in here it certainly doesn't seem like people have been writing him off yet.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by SuXrys

Why? ;_;

If people care, they would show themselves. Otherwise, I'm not beating a dead horse :P

But now that you're here, I might as well have a small chat lol.
MK's vote in the last phase still makes me want to vote for him. He said if he should see a reason not to vote for Scruffy, he would change his vote, and yet he never did. I suggest you stay clear of GAZKUL, though, as he's worse than the Jester XD.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

See the expression, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, is very dangerous. At this point he could be a dual edged sword but in the end if we continue to rely on him he'll only cut us deeper. It's better not to use a tool such as that. And he could still be in the main mafia. Though it seems unlikely such a tactic such as sacrificing two to save the many and garner some doubt that he's in such a role is a viable one. And the fact Ribbon was the backup godfather would only strengthen that thought. You have to look at all the possibilities.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by animeyay

If people care, they would show themselves. Otherwise, I'm not beating a dead horse :P

But now that you're here, I might as well have a small chat lol.
MK's vote in the last phase still makes me want to vote for him. He said if he should see a reason not to vote for Scruffy, he would change his vote, and yet he never did. I suggest you stay clear of GAZKUL, though, as he's worse than the Jester XD.

Hehehe xD

I have no idea on who I will vote on yet. It's little hard deciding since it's such a lack of activity in here today [ but im sure there will be more action in here in a few hours... höhöhö ]. At the moment though I think that MK and GG are both possible candidates of getting alot of votes today. MK because he just jumped into the thread at the end and voted for Scruffy without any good reasons -_- , (as I mentioned before on the previous page), and GG because I still think he and Maru had something going on back there. Both Maru and Ribbon proved to be wolfs so... At the moment I am not sure at all who will be getting my vote.

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Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by animeyay

In the first day phase, you dropped in, cast your no lynch vote, and then left.
Then, in the second day phase, you wrote with this super long post against Scruffy.
Surely you had to have seen Scruffy's style in the first day phase.
What made you keep quiet in day one, and then suddenly launch an all-out on day two?

Eh, in D1, I wasn't much following what's going on in the first place. At the end of D1, I was tired and I still had a lot of pages left to read, so I decided to be lazy and left going through the thread to N1. However, in N2 I was more lazy and procrastinated it till D2. And then in D2, I torn my way through the ENTIRE thread before I finally was able to start participating.

And it's not hard to see (at least from the last game) that my posts lean on the verbose side at any given time. My post against Scruffy isn't exactly all that special.

Also, I've been in university since about 7 in the morning today, and I just came back (it's about 6 PM), tired of course. I'm leaving the big part of the reading till later again.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

See the expression, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, is very dangerous. At this point he could be a dual edged sword but in the end if we continue to rely on him he'll only cut us deeper. It's better not to use a tool such as that. And he could still be in the main mafia. Though it seems unlikely such a tactic such as sacrificing two to save the many and garner some doubt that he's in such a role is a viable one. And the fact Ribbon was the backup godfather would only strengthen that thought. You have to look at all the possibilities.

I think people are. I havn't seen anywhere in this thread so far that people are trusting Scruffy and seeing him as a no-threat, I rather see the opposite of that.

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Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

See the expression, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, is very dangerous. At this point he could be a dual edged sword but in the end if we continue to rely on him he'll only cut us deeper. It's better not to use a tool such as that. And he could still be in the main mafia. Though it seems unlikely such a tactic such as sacrificing two to save the many and garner some doubt that he's in such a role is a viable one. And the fact Ribbon was the backup godfather would only strengthen that thought. You have to look at all the possibilities.

Trust me, I think so, too. After all, in the previous day phase, I myself have expressed wariness towards Scruffy. The key here, quoting from you, is the part "if we continue to rely on him he'll only cut us deeper". As soon as he starts acting odd, that's our cue to press him. His extraordinary silence in this round is indeed "odd", and I'm definitely keeping my watch.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Maru is down making it 2 wolves killing spree for Scruffy. GAZ is just GAZ end of story. GG I believe he still has some suspicion on Scruffy from what I'm seeing, but not as much as before. Meteorkeeper tends to just vote and leave because he doesn't want to get inactively killed. Reina is a bit if-y. She may have helped lynch Ribbon on the first day phase, but it might be so that she can seem "trustworthy". Aleyna on the other hand is displaying a bit of heat earlier, and she may be still. Though it may be to pressure others so she can create a defense for herself. I do not know for sure. Aku had points about Scruffy about fallacies, which was weird in a sense in my terms at least.

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

See the expression, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, is very dangerous. At this point he could be a dual edged sword but in the end if we continue to rely on him he'll only cut us deeper. It's better not to use a tool such as that. And he could still be in the main mafia. Though it seems unlikely such a tactic such as sacrificing two to save the many and garner some doubt that he's in such a role is a viable one. And the fact Ribbon was the backup godfather would only strengthen that thought. You have to look at all the possibilities.

Most may seem that way, but some do not like to have a weapon already made for them. Yes, I have agreed that on his points in the First Day Phase only because his points were mostly likely true. Other than that, I then assumed that Maru was suspicious and in the end she was a wolf. There is much chaos and I need to reconstruct each possibility. However, it is difficult to do.

Scruffy has a scumdar, but others have different ways of finding out people so I don't really follow him. If an independent wants the wolves down, then it's clear that it is his motive. Otherwise, if he has something else that the town doesn't know of, then the town will have to just find out.

Remember @animeyay even if you friend an enemy, they might just come back at you with vengeance.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Alright @LittleMomo wanna give me a reason why I shouldn't vote for you? You're acting exactly how you acted in the previous game when you were also a Wolf. I was gonna save my confrontation with you until the next phase, but seeing that the rest of the Townies are clearly too lazy to try to scum-hunt themselves, I might as well bring you into the spotlight.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Alright @LittleMomo wanna give me a reason why I shouldn't vote for you? You're acting exactly how you acted in the previous game when you were also a Wolf. I was gonna save my confrontation with you until the next phase, but seeing that the rest of the Townies are clearly too lazy to try to scum-hunt themselves, I might as well bring you into the spotlight.

I was actually thinking this. I was thinking that "hey, @LittleMomo is being WAY too quiet." In the last wolf game I played he clearly questioned everyone, and attacked like a rabid bulldog, this game and last game that he was in, he has been quiet. Last game he proved to be a wolf. So I suspect maybe he is this time? I kind of let it slip my mind because I hadn't seen him say anything in a few days, (my mind has been really messed up) now that he comes back, he is questioning people, but it doesn't seem like how it was before. I am not really sure of his game play, but this is questionable.

@Meteorkeeper why don't you give us a better explanation as to WHY you don't want to be killed. You only tell us you don't want to be inactive killed, but you contribute NOTHING to the town. It is either completely scummy, or you are just a derp townie. I want a good reason as to why I shouldn't lynch you right now

And an off topic message, the reason I disappeared last night was because my face and throat started swelling. Apparently I am allergic to Grapejuice. that is all

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

And I think it's something that warrants investigation yet everyone is content to just write him off. Which is a very dangerous move.

I'm not going to argue against this because I agree, but if he can lynch more wolves then I'm all for it, to a certain extent. If he starts acting scummy then I'll vote against him, but as long as he makes valid points and kills more wolves I'm fine with him.

If he suddenly changes like animeyay had mention, then I'll act against him. I'm watching everyone closely and I just don't like how buddy-buddy you were with MaruDashi yesterday. You're so against a person who has lynched two wolves. D1 could have just been luck, but to lynch two in a row means his 'scumdar' works really well.

I'm not about to write him off and believe he is 100% innocent, but I'm going to agree with him as long as he makes valid points, though him being so quiet today puts me on edge. Nonetheless I shall cast my vote now.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Haven't seen much from you guys. Zombie, you're activity level has plummeted. It's as if since Scruffy has offed two wolves, you're becoming wary of his ability to catch slip ups. Everyone else, why aren't you saying much? I'm pretty sure more than one of you missed yesterday's vote.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Seeing that no one here is willing to say anything or answer my questions, I'm going to have to vote for the one I suspect the most at this moment. I hope all you Townies will surface later, as it's less than 5 hours until the end of the day phase and we've got like 2 votes so far. >.>

[Vote Lynch LittleMomo]

Anyone who played with LittleMomo in Wolf 14 and 15 would know how relentless and fierce he was at questioning others. In fact, he was lynched off right off the bat in 14 because people thought he was trying too hard, (and he was a Townie in 14). In 15, twice the Wolves tried to kill him because again of his outspokenness.

However, in 16, LM was a Wolf, and he acted totally differently, but very similarly to how he acted in this game. How different? In 16 and in this game, he was very quick to agree with others, (possibly to try to get on everyone's good side,) all while not offering anything meaningful. He popped up once in a while to make some comments to others' posts, but he did not once press anyone like he used to do. I don't think he agreed with anyone back in the 14 and 15, but in this game:

Post#500, in response to me:

This I will remember. Thankful for the information Nimey! :3 This could be a scummy move because wolves can try to blend in by defending themselves just to pretend town-like.

Post#500, in response to Scruffy:

This is definitely great for me, in fact I thank you for this post because it shows it in basic terms lawl! This displays his defense against your statement. Ribs, your defenses are lowering sharply.

Post#739, in response to RyuTama:

Nice point, I didn't see that one. Thanks for pointing that out. Adds a bit of suspicion to MaruDashi.

I'll understand if a lazy player were to agree so much, but this just doesn't feel like LittleMomo at all. Besides, even when a lazy player does this, it raises a red flag for me. Too much agreement is a big no no, especially when it seems to be eager and intentional agreement.

Now, observe these two statements by LM:

Post#500, in response to Scruffy:

This is definitely great for me, in fact I thank you for this post because it shows it in basic terms lawl! This displays his defense against your statement. Ribs, your defenses are lowering sharply.

Post#960:

Scruffy has a scumdar, but others have different ways of finding out people so I don't really follow him.

So he claimed he didn't really follow Scruffy when in reality he personally thanked Scruffy previously for his post. Hmmmmm, contradiction much?

The feeling I get off LM in this game is that he's trying to be as friendly and as neutral as possible, without offending anyone in the process. In addition, he's definitely keeping a very low profile. But what if he did have midterms like he said, you ask? Well, remember how the NF Duo kinda "forgot" to kill a Townie in the last night phase? If he's busy, then that's the perfect explanation for this~

I was gonna torture y'all with this huge post tomorrow instead of today, but I'll leave this here now 1. because I have to leave now. and 2. in case I get killed tonight, at least you'll all still have this post to reconsider if I fail to convince you of LM's role in this phase.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

@Yukari Wait, you say you agree with me then turn around, in the same paragraph and say you 100% trust him? That makes no sense. If you agree something warrants an investigation then it means you don't trust that thing. So which one is it? You can't have it both ways. And right now it sounds like you're trying to keep everyone's eyes off of you.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

@Yukari Wait, you say you agree with me then turn around, in the same paragraph and say you 100% trust him? That makes no sense. If you agree something warrants an investigation then it means you don't trust that thing. So which one is it? You can't have it both ways. And right now it sounds like you're trying to keep everyone's eyes off of you.

No No. You misunderstood. I'm saying I agree with you that we shouldn't write him off, and I'm not going to write him off, but I don't believe you to be town because of your previous actions in D1 and D2 therefore that is why I am voting for you.

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by Yukari

No No. You misunderstood. I'm saying I agree with you that we shouldn't write him off, and I'm not going to write him off, but I don't believe you to be town because of your previous actions in D1 and D2 therefore that is why I am voting for you.

Wait, what? Care to explain why you don't believe I'm town? If I wasn't town, would I be going after Scruffy like this?

Re: Wolf XVII: Anime Forum Chronicles

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Wait, what? Care to explain why you don't believe I'm town? If I wasn't town, would I be going after Scruffy like this?

Well yeah. He took out two wolves. The wolves could be scared by his 'scumdar' and want him gone, but some people believe him to BP so they are trying to get him lynch seeing as they can only do that through day phases.