Dead or Alive 5 is still going strong – in the realm of sexy bikini DLC at least, with the 8th round of sultry swimwear coming with a complementary tropical island stage to better enjoy the “fighting.”

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If they removed all the males, are you trying to say that no one would notice or care? If you look at what happens to most other game developers, like Capcom, if they make a change to a long established series that’s as drastic as removing all the males from the DOA series, then you know how the “rabbid fans”, especially the females, will react. That’s enough to prove that the males characters have some importance. Team Ninja would be wiser to give more attention to the male characters, actually.

And that’s even ignoring the fact that you ignored what I said about this being a fighting game, where every character is mained by many different players… and they boycot at the idea of even an old fart of a man like Gen Fu being left out, leading Team Ninja to keep him in the series as an unlockable character.

It’d ludicrous to me that you seriously stand by your stance and aren’t saying that you’re just joking… I don’t even need to be a DOA fan to know this, just someone who knows anything about fighting games.

“…but within the fanbase everyone has fans, and people actually 100 page threads of paragraphs about the stories and the character backgrounds.”

Thanks for letting me know I’m talking to a rabid fan. That clears up so much about how you keep missing my point. As most blatantly illustrated by the following, “And you want to talk about DOAX, then Zack is in all of the DOAX games, so does that make him in the same league as the ladies for you now?”

To explain it for the slow: He was comic relief and never makes an appearance except at the beginning and ending if the games. He’s a plot device, nothing more.

You keep believing that the male characters are important to the franchise, and I’ll keep laughing my ass off at you.

but in the main series, which is what we’re talking about, all of the male characters have been important… if you take them out, you screw with the story (whither you think it’s good or not, taking out the guys would still screw with the story they’ve built)

If you take out all of the guys, you take out Ryu Hayabusa, who is more popular than any of the females.

You mess with the tournament scene and all of the hardcore fans who main the male characters.

Outside of the fanbase, maybe no one knows anyone besides Hayabusa, but within the fanbase everyone has fans, and people actually 100 page threads of paragraphs about the stories and the character backgrounds.

Even if you could argue that this is all crap, why the hell would a developer get rid of all of this? Even if they are treating the guys like shit in comparison, they’re still relevant.

And you want to talk about DOAX, then Zack is in all of the DOAX games, so does that make him in the same league as the ladies for you now?

I’m going to take this slowly for you. Game companies make spin-off games of popular characters. The more popular the character, the more likely it’ll get placed in a spin-off. UNpopular characters don’t get spin-offs.

This means that the female characters of the DoA franchise are more important than the male ones. To the point that they, and they alone, appear in ALL the spin-off games. In fact, Kasumi and Ayane make an appearance in Ninja Gaiden. So what spin-off games have the males appeared in, again?

This is why I wondered why they even bother with male characters anymore. I’ll also point out that from the beginning, the female characters have received far more creative attention than the males; up to and including from the creators themselves.

If you want a comparison of male/female attention inside and outside of a fighting game’s fans, look no further than Street Fighter.

its just a game!! nothing on this trailer seemed realistic. and their is no nudity, so stop with all that OMG i see a breast, and isn’t she this age!!! its pathetic to think that ppl are actually thinking that the characters from the game are actual people.

Similar to Xmas costume pack…none of the above costume look any different with the in-game or pre-existing DLC costume…design wise~

Three most revealing costumes (Lisa, Christie and Tina) are just colour alteration which can be unlock through legend difficulties. The rest are no different….

This is kinda disappointing considering Xtreme Beach Volleyball have shitload of revealing/sexy swimsuit, yet they have to pick some of the most boring looking swimsuit to be put as DLC…It’s not even free

I have to admit, this is the worst DLC pack they’ve made. I blindly bought it without seeing what was in it first, thinking it was sure to be new stuff that would indeed surprise me, but all my favorite ladies just got pallet swaps of their Legendary outfits (which makes having the ones that a lot of people worked so hard to unlock feel like nothing, they lose part of their value). On top of that, the other swimsuits aren’t as good as the ones from the first swimsuit pack.

Too far down the uncanny valley for me. I’ve been hoping they’d put out DLC to fix the faces and unmottle their skin, but they haven’t, so I’m not touching it – I already have DoA games where they haven’t screwed up the fighting mechanics.

As DoA was westernized in every area to appeal western barbarian tastes like CoD “real” graphics, dumber combo-ing and 100hits per juggle with “super powers” and explotions in every scenario, also, they couldn’t affor to have them underage, so they RE-STARTED, rebooted the already wonderful DoA Mythos so every girl is now in her 18s or more.

A stupid thing to do if you ask me, clearly they don’t understand their own audience and appeal too much for a new one, lossing the loyals of 5 games and 15 years.

So, as much i love a Loli in the series i see it uncertain, if the games keeps this direction.

I WAS a gamer in LOVE with DoA, but DoA cheated on me with the Casual, Dumber Macho-CoD loving neighbor… for money.

-Those one who wanted an enhanced release of “Artificial Girl 3”, have gotten the ultimate fighting game, instead;
– Those one who wanted the ultimate fighting game, have gotten an enhanced version of “Artificial Girl 3”, instead.

It shows that you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time… ^^

I hate the new designs too, not the approach itself but the actual designs, at least most of them.
Plus yeah the changes to their bodies are ridiculous.
Some girls wer meant to be flatter and now they have bigger boobs, some girls used to have them bigger and now they were reduced.
They all have the same size now it’s so silly.
Done with the frnachise until they get a new redesign that makes because the current look is a no thanks.

By “realistic” do you mean more CGI rather than a more anime look?
“why the fuck they tone their boobs down ” I haven’t heard about this, hopefully they will let you change how much they bounce like in the DC game.
I kinda wanna play that now.

It actually was one of the best fighting games around, with a wonderfully intuitive counter and control system. Every title after DoA2 was continuously toned down or changed into very unfortunate directions. Part 5 is actually the worst incarnation as far as fighting is concerned.

The counter-system is at its worst, seing that it’s very unreliable and way too gimmicky/fumbly with those various hit-zone counters. It’s especially bad when you try to counter fast characters with several fast combo-lines that hit you all over the place.

That’s the next let down, the brain-dead infinite combo-juggle deathlock. Juggles have always been there but the old counter-system was effective in stopping them.

Simple folk would come up with the obligatory “l2p noob” every now and then but the most vocal complaints actually come from the direction of seasoned DoA veterans.

Aside from that, well, how can anyone complain about naked skin? I certainly won’t. Although i have to say that i don’t entirely like the new facial art. I liked the old anime-esque style more than this wannabe “realistic” look.

Actually, DOA3.1 (the Japanese release) was considered to be the most gameplay-perfect of the whole series, especially according to the hardcore tournament players (who tear into and out of every DOA release and see what makes it tick, so to speak). But now, after the patch that was just released, there’s some who say that this DOA5 1.03 might be rivaling the position for the DOA with the best gameplay.

There’s a good chance it might even make it into EVO, surrounded by heavy competition from a lot of other fighting games.

Finally, someone who is smart enough to see past the boobs… whither in favor of them or not. I’m tempted to sign up just to upvote you.

Eh, yo, Artefact, you’re not helping with your focus on the jeers, either! D: DOA fans have gotten sick of that “DOA is just a dumb blonde bimbo” mentality since it’s inception. It owns a record for being the most ignorant observation ever observed, ever. It’s incredibly unfair.

By making fun of DOA, in a way you’re making fun of a good part Virtua Fighter as well, which is renowned to be the grandaddy of fighting games (of which DOA is a direct disciple) as well as probably the most solid fighting game series ever. DOA is just the prettier, more fun and friendly cousin to the tough and serious VF.

Why should anything or anyone strive to have beauty as well as brains and brawn when this cynical world will never come to appreciate it? That’s why we can’t have nice things…

Thanks. I agree DoA2 was the peak. You don’t need 6 attack buttons and an intricate combo system to make a solid fighting game – I played DoA2 with friends for years and we still encountered new animations and scenarios sometimes when attacking sides/backs. It was actually better than most modern fighters since it was about the exchange of blows, blocks, throws and counters rather than who can get the first hit off to chain into a 50 hit combo for half the match – that’s just recitation.

Sad to hear about the mechanic changes, but the character designs turned me away, and playing other games like DoA Dimensions dropped my hope for the fighting to very little (It feels about like DoA2… but there’s no way to make it challenging apart from fighting 100 opponents back to back in survival mode. That shouldn’t even be possible!)

I played Evil Zone/Eretzvaju, but it didn’t make much of an impression on me when it was new… Actually I think I found it pretty bad, but maybe I’m confusing it with Gowcaizer… either way, I only rented it.

More like the result. Yeah I agree, I don’t particularly care for Tina’s new face. It’s not like they gotta look like they’re from Slayers or anything, but they all looked so much more defined, before. And all that air juggling isn’t even remotely realistic, so I really can’t tell where they’re trying to go with this new look.