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Well that is shocking. Maybe the Holy Ghost is prompting these tiny, baby steps in the right direction. Normally Mr. Maher makes me feel nothing but nauseous but I suppose I should spend more energy praying for his conversion and less being repulsed by him.

Or you can look it up on you tube by just typing in "Bill Maher and Boston Bomber."

Keith

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Bill Maher is often anti-Christian, and yet he'll go so far as to tell others how to practice Christianity. My jaw dropped when he said Obama wasn't being a good Christian because he went after Osama bin Laden. I was like "What?"

I also hope that Bill Maher converts to Christianity one day. It would be nice. However, I can't help but think he was just being more anti-Islam than anti-Christianity. Islam is at a point where Christianity was in the middle ages. It can be very intolerant and justify violence against those who don't believe in them. I'd like to say that they should be given room to "grow up" so to speak like we have done for the most part. Problem is we have weapons of mass destruction in this world and it's hard to watch. Sometimes, we have to defend ourselves.

I think most Muslims are good people, but there is an overly strong faction that still needs to evolve. :(

(Quote)Melanie-364556 said:
Bill Maher is often anti-Christian, and yet he'll go so far as to tel...

(Quote)Melanie-364556 said:

Bill Maher is often anti-Christian, and yet he'll go so far as to tell others how to practice Christianity. My jaw dropped when he said Obama wasn't being a good Christian because he went after Osama bin Laden. I was like "What?"

I also hope that Bill Maher converts to Christianity one day. It would be nice. However, I can't help but think he was just being more anti-Islam than anti-Christianity. Islam is at a point where Christianity was in the middle ages. It can be very intolerant and justify violence against those who don't believe in them. I'd like to say that they should be given room to "grow up" so to speak like we have done for the most part. Problem is we have weapons of mass destruction in this world and it's hard to watch. Sometimes, we have to defend ourselves.

I think most Muslims are good people, but there is an overly strong faction that still needs to evolve. :(

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Pray tell! When and where in the middle ages was Christianity Intolerant and justified violence against non-believers. Be sure you don't try to use the crusades or the inquisition as illustrations, as you would be wrong.

Bill Maher is often anti-Christian, and yet he'll go so far as to tell others how to practice Christianity. My jaw dropped when he said Obama wasn't being a good Christian because he went after Osama bin Laden. I was like "What?"

I also hope that Bill Maher converts to Christianity one day. It would be nice. However, I can't help but think he was just being more anti-Islam than anti-Christianity. Islam is at a point where Christianity was in the middle ages.

Christianity has never been like violent Islam. There were abuses in the Crusades and Inquisitions but most of that was political. The early Church and the Apostles were never violent and the abuses have been far less than what is typically thought.

It can be very intolerant and justify violence against those who don't believe in them. I'd like to say that they should be given room to "grow up" so to speak like we have done for the most part. Problem is we have weapons of mass destruction in this world and it's hard to watch. Sometimes, we have to defend ourselves.

I think most Muslims are good people, but there is an overly strong faction that still needs to evolve. :(

I don't think that anyone would argue that there are good Muslim people. However as Bill Maher said, if you make fun of the Prophet, most Muslims would think that you have what is coming to you. It's more than just a small faction; the religions are fundamentally different. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek and Islam does not. As Bill Maher said, "an ex Muslim is a dangerous thing, ask Salman Rushdie."

(Quote)Paul-866591 said:
Pray tell! When and where in the middle ages was Christianity Intolerant and justified vi...

(Quote)Paul-866591 said:

Pray tell! When and where in the middle ages was Christianity Intolerant and justified violence against non-believers. Be sure you don't try to use the crusades or the inquisition as illustrations, as you would be wrong.

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I keep thinking the Crusades were started by Christians who wanted their land back after 700 years of Muslim rule. Imagine if the Indians decided to take the land back from us after about three hundred years of our rule. I don't think that was reasonable. If the Muslims had just taken over their land, then okay. Seven hundred years later? No. I would also count the inquizition.

But what I was mostly thinking of was the hundreds of years of theocracy in Christianity. A Christian's (and probably other religions as well) idea of freedom of religion was making their faith the state religion and persecuting anybody who wouldn't practice it. Your convictions should decide your faith, not the king or queen. People would persecute each other for not being Catholic, Protestant, or whatever. It's funny. We always hear about the Puritans leaving Britain to get religious freedom. Yeah, but they did, but then they either ran out or executed people who weren't practicing their faith. Rhode Island was the first colony in what's now America to have freedom of religion. Our founding fathers wanted the church and state separated because they understand what a religion ran country did to people. Actually, Uganda is the perfect example of a country being ran too much by religion. They have a new rule saying homosexuals can be executed. Not only that, but people who know a homosexual and didn't report can be punished by law. They're not doing that in the name of Islam, but Christianity. Bottom line is that religion shouldn't run the country. In theory, God would know what he's doing. In reality, it's faulty humans who run a country. So, I'm mostly talking about theocracy, not the Crussades or the inquizition.