The Emotional Manipulability Of Women

It was a brief vignette shoehorned into the end of the day that nonetheless attested to a meaningful psychological and social difference between the sexes.

I was walking

dislodging a buttplug

down a busy sidewalk when I noticed a young-ish black (and possibly gay) guy asking for high fives from passersby. He had something like a clipboard in his hand, but I wasn’t interested enough to determine whether he was a snazzily dressed street bum performing for loose change or a campaigner for some idiotic cause.

In the time it took me to first notice him and walk past him, three (white) women and two (white) men were accosted by his street performance shenanigans. As each neared, he would spit his loudmouthed pitch and histrionically hoist his hand for a high five. All three women complied, reaching upward to meet his hand with sheepish grins and blushing faces. The two men sneered or frowned and swerved away from his entreaties.

(If you’re wondering what I did, I didn’t swerve. I walked right into his jabber zone and right out of it without an iota of acknowledgment.)

The scene was a reminder how emotionally manipulable women are, compared to men. I’ve seen similar scenes unfold hundreds, perhaps thousands of times, and the same sex disparity in call-and-response emerges: Women are more apt to obey the commands of an annoying (if friendly) stranger than are men. This instinct is likely a property of women’s greater predilection for group cohesion and agreeableness, probably mixed in with some latent desire to submit to a man who’s large and in charge.

One reason game works so well on women has to do with their greater degree of emotional manipulability. A man who understands that women are more impressionable creatures who will reflexively follow strong leadership is a man who gets laid. Indecisive betas earn women’s disgust and cruelty; decisive (some would call “douchey”) alphas earn women’s love and respect.

Some game concepts, like calculated scarcity, are universal and will work, more or less, on both sexes. But women are much more susceptible to these unisex game techniques because of the nature of their paper-thin emotional defenses against such manipulation. This is how you know that the occasional dumbfuck female contrarian who comes on here to shriekishly assert how game works just as well on men is full of shit. Yes, some of these game tactics can work on men… weak beta men with dispositions not unlike that of women. In contrast, game works on all women, and works best, ironically, on the best-looking women.

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> “a young-ish black (and possibly gay) guy asking for high fives from passersby… three (white) women… All three women complied
… The scene was a reminder how emotionally manipulable women are, compared to men. I’ve seen similar scenes unfold hundreds, perhaps thousands of times, and the same sex disparity in call-and-response emerges: Women are more apt to obey the commands of an annoying (if friendly) stranger than are men.”

The chick whom you are searching for, to become the mother of your children, is the chick who tells the chimpanzee to go fornicate with itself.

Agree. The overwhelming need to conform, especially amongst women, is troubling to say the least.

As an aside, I’m going to be a bit pedantic here for a moment. CCW is a police term, it means “concealed carry of weapon”. It is something that they’d write into charges against a perpetrator after he was caught. It is NOT a license/permit. Despite how easily the term is bandied about you will not find one state, not one, that issues a “CCW”. What you will instead find are various forms of “permit” or “license”, such as for example Ohio’s “Concealed Handgun License” or “CHL”.

Just one of my minor pet peeves. Kind of like when people use the term “clip” when what they mean to say is “magazine”.

Yeah, I was sitting with two women who invited me to their table to chat (HB 6.5, 7). They were friends, but each of them ratted out the other about either being married or having a bf. Neither of them mentioned their own S.O. lolz

This is how you know that the occasional dumbfuck female contrarian who comes on here to shriekishly assert how game works just as well on men is full of shit

I know that these females are FOS because I’ve seen game work up close and personal. It’s the same old same old, “don’t pay attention to your own experience, shut up and listen to me, me, me!”.

Deeper down inside such females is the nagging fear that, yep, Game works and yep, it works on them and …. that means that men and women are not the same and oh, noes, the Wimmen’s Studies prof in college told them things that were not true!

Cognitive dissonance all around.

Bestest of all is when some chick who’s all about evolution trots out this line. “Oh, so you believe that evolution didn’t affect humans, eh? So women could hunt but chose not to, and men could tend babies but chose not to? Really?”.

This anecdote proves not only Game, but the evolutionary basis for it, yet again.

Walking right through the zone of the scammer while refusing to acknowledge his existence for the win.

I was thinking of that too. Now that the backward countries Romania and Hungary have been included in the EU, as part of the strategy to empty Germanic countries of money while flooding them with immigrants, the Gypsy clans have spread over Western Europe. The states in Hungary and Romania have tried their hardest to give them subsidized work opportunities in factories and other industries, and the Gypsy men still sit there in their town centers drinking coffee and beer all day long. At the most they will force some of the women to work, while they also do all the work in the home, but the men will never do so. In Gypsy culture physical labor is considered “unclean”, just like non-Gypsies.

They also get free apartment buildings and welfare, which only makes them have more children to get more welfare money. When Western media show pictures of how the poor innocent Gypsies live in Hungary and Romania, however, they show false pictures of hovels, with some Gypsy woman playing along for the camera.

While work is “unclean”, stealing people’s money is considered clever and good. As long as they are non-Gypsies, called “gadje”. They tell each other that a Gypsy stole one of the nails meant for Jesus’ feet, so that the Romans had to use one nail for both feet, after which Jesus told him that “from now on your people will be exempt from the command Thou shalt not steal.” Of course, this is just an amusing story to them. Maybe some of them believed it in the Middle Ages, but religion means nothing to them, as it stands in their way.

Today they sit outside grocery stores and malls, and wail at every passer-by. Every time you go to the store the Gypsy will try to make eyecontact with you and will ask you for money. Every single time. The women use a false high-pitched voice to sound pitiful. The oldest women say “Please I have three children!” Always three. Two would sound too normal, four would be less believable.

Young girls are sold back and forth between the Gypsy gangs, as they bring in more money from the stupid gadje who give them more. The men can also use them for sex. Which they do openly in their trailers, with daughters and wives right there. They also connect illegally to power lines and throw all the trash on the ground. They don’t care, since it’s only “gadje” who will suffer from it.

The begging is a way to gain sympathy. Soon enough, socialist politicians will give them free housing. That’s the jackpot. Then they can also demand welfare money, and soon they’ll get citizenship. This is the strategy.

After the begging comes prostitution and drugs. You can look up prostitution websites for various West European countries online and see that it’s mostly black-haired Gypsies, or Albanians and other trash. They always lie, though. They write a random West European country as their origin in the profile. Even a tiny country like the banking center Luxembourg, as if there would be prostitutes coming from there. Many write Spain and probably speak some Spanish, as there has been an enormous demand for prostitutes there even before Romania’s and Hungary’s EU membership – 40 percent of Spanish men use prostitutes, almost always from the Balkans, some from Africa, few Spanish. (The domestic ones will always demand a twice as high price.) There are many stories about sex buyers being robbed and beaten when they buy sex online and arrive. If they bring the prostitute to their home, the Gypsies also show up when the family is home. They break in and threaten the family, in one case shoving objects into the bodies of the wife and daughter, while they demand payment in a few days.

Begging, then prostitution, often forced prostitution with captive women … and drugs. And theft. They steal bikes. They break into summer homes. They target tourists especially. One Gypsy harrasses the tourists, asking for money, while another sneaks up from behind and either steals the wallet or snatches the purse.

The beggars who walk around instead of sitting still often pretend to be wounded in some way. They use ridiculously short crutches so people will feel sorry for them for not having longer crutches. (No such short crutches are made, of course they have shortened them.) They make their legs shiver and swing their heads back and forth to pretend to be sick – what kind of ridiculous disease would that be? You see two or three men doing the exact same thing in different streets.

They claim they have to beg “for food”. Then they use the money for beer, Coca-Cola, potato chips, French bread rolls and cigarettes. This is the typical “Gypsy dinner”. The men come and gather the money from the women sitting outside the grocery store, then go in and buy this. The men have modern jackets and cellphones, and bags full of liquor or beer. The whole group then sits on the wooden benches outside the cash registers made for customers to rest on, occupy them for hours, while the children run free back and forth. And they all stink. Not washing yourself is not “unclean”, but physical labor is.

The socialist, Chosen-dominated media never write about these crimes. If they do, they call the Gypsies “Romanians” or “EU migrants”, a bullshit word if there ever was one.

In particular they like to target couples or lone women with baby carriages. They know people will be afraid for their baby’s sake, and will pay the dirty, threatening beggar to go away.

And still the media present them as “innocent victims”. And when they appear in movies about the Middle Ages, they are shown to be “mysterious” and in contact with “the spirit world” and whatever. The same false image given to Indians, who are presented as being “in harmony with nature”.

Testimony from a woman in Germany: the Gypsies have been given free housing in her apartment building. They get free job training at the welfare office – if they show up. But they don’t look for work. The men sit right outside the entrance to the building, playing cards and smoking all day. The men pull down their pants and shit right there in the bushes next to the entrance. Because bathrooms are “unclean”, so they don’t want to go upstairs and use the bathroom when their wives could see. That would make them lose face. But it’s fine to do it in public, where only non-Gypsies, “gadje”, are bothered. “Gadje” are nothing to them.

When using an apartment building’s laundry room, they have to separate the women’s laundry from the men’s, since women are all “unclean”. And they have to separate underwear from other clothes, since they are also “unclean”. So they take up a lot of machines. And if you leave the laundry room when you have laundry there, and if you know anyone can enter and there are Gypsies in the building, you know your clothes will be stolen eventually. Guaranteed. They are proud of being able to steal from the hated non-Gypsies.

There was a Swedish sociology professor who lived close to the Gypsies for years, talked to them, visited their homes. He combined his own experiences with police and welfare statistics and wrote a book. He noted that ALL Gypsies are either criminals themselves or have criminals in their immediate family. Criminals who they never turn in. All of them. No exceptions.

And did the media criticize the Gypsies for this? Of course not! They attacked the professor. For being “racist”.

Europol and police all over Europe have noted how Gypsy gangs steal from tourists, break into summer homes, force women – Gypsies and non-Gypsies – to work as prostitutes, and smuggle drugs from the Balkans. Even before Romania’s and Hungary’s EU entrance, Gypsies in the West were a whopping 3,400 times more likely to rob the elderly. The police know this, and for this knowledge they are attacked by the media. As soon as a policeman dares talk about “Roma”, the propaganda word used for Gypsies, instead of “EU migrants” or “Romanians”, the media attack. In fact, as soon as they mention crimes committed by “EU migrants” at all, they are attacked. When the police register Gypsies to keep track of them, as their families are basically crime gangs, the media use it to paint the Gypsies as victims of “harrassment” and “racism”.

Gypsies are the worst scum imaginable. They are worse than Arabs, Turks and Blacks. Among those groups you will at least find some who are decent people. Never will you find this among Gypsies. Their families function as criminal gangs. Considering honest labor to be “unclean”, their whole culture is based on extracting money from the “gadje” in other ways. They are the only people where there is no shame at all, among any of them, to speak of how they steal or rob or otherwise get money from the non-Gypsies.

The majority of the girls coming to Western Europe to work as prostitutes – or arguably indeed working as prostitutes in their own countries – are not gypsies, but regular Romanians, Bulgarians etc.

I’ve been living in Bulgaria for a year, and the gypsies are very easy to tell apart even from darkest (hair, eyes) among the main population. And not just because the gypsies can usually be found rummaging through garbage containers or blocking traffic in the capital with horse carriages :).

As a father of a four-year-old daughter, I will tell you that her own emotions manipulate her more than any man ever could or will. She knew how to tease at 12 months old, she can shit test as good as any chick I ever knew, and she can absolutely go bat shit at the drop of a dime for the simplest of emotional infractions by others. When she’s tired, it’s even worse. Logic goes out the window and you just have to marvel in disbelief at how loco women (even four-year-old versions) can be.

Game might work on the best looking women but I am surprised if the best looking women play along with strangers more. You can’t know what it is like to be a hot girl in the summer. When no guys are around they are mobbed with requests and attention. If women “submitted” to strangers easily they would never get from point a to point b.

I never engage. I notice my hot friends sometimes engage more than me but I really won’t deal with randoms. I bet the reason that guy got high fives was in part because he wanted them from everyone, making it seem non threatening. But normally I think many women see random male attention as categorically unwelcome rather than something to be appeased to fit into an in group.

fuck yeah heartiste, did it again. Game works on men and women in the broadest sense, in the sense only a few men are free spirits, but I agree with what you say. Consider religious teaching game, and religious belief or ideological belief the outcome of it (including believe in things like ‘democracy’ or ‘human rights’ etc. Consider the men who go to war unwillingly, but for some cause other than folk and blood and soil, but for religious or ideological reasons. Consider the men who are still yet getting married under silly circumstances. Men are not harder than women. Men have more consciousness about certain things, and women about others. In this sense I elevate women, in areas where men are weak. Only struggle and suffering and need produces consciousness (as opposed to sentience, which we’ve all got). Consciousness is the instrument of the being or lifeforce, in the will to power or expression/expansion and arises when there is a difficulty or decision to be made. Probably because women never suffered negative consequences, esp not at early age- these women in your sample, they just go along with the flow or the command. I also believe biology plays a role for the reasons you mentioned, and for size and strength. You get laid 1000x more than me unfortunately because of the mistakes I made and he position I’m trying to get out of. I look up to you, but I see men manipulated everywhere as well. But I’m learning- I’m learning that when I assert my will, even when I think it’s pesky or controlling or brutish, it does the trick or at least earns me more respect and gets me closer. It’s only the strong men I have to worry about ultimately- the armed authorities- the police, military, those with money and power and access. I want to be free of all manipulability- that’s the 1st step. Second is be willing to assert my will to get what I want. 3rd is to stay human as much as possible and be sentient but let go of all this obsolete consciousness. I’m really vibing with Tyler’s Brain and Lane model

My ex-girlfriend is sending me pictures of her and our dog. No explanation attached. Just random pictures of her looking sad with my dog.Can anybody account for this behavior? The fuck does it mean?

It means – judging by your reaction to her antics – that she has an anvil-sized emotional mallet that she can wield against you, and she’s decided to test it out on your head. Your words are crackling with desperation and thirsty hope. My money’s on the mallet.

figured it was over.

Nope; your erratic journey as a subservient leaf in her capricious wind is only just beginning. I hope for your own sake that you eventually see how you are violating almost every tenet of even basic game (and self respect) and go fuck ten other girls. Your lack of masculine frame and control is coming across in even this tiny of a post.

I’d add that how cryo responds depends on the level of his emotional involvement. I personally can’t speak to my crazy ex gf without getting either super pissed or depressed so no contact is best.

My crazy ex gf was sending me photos of sad kittens to express how stressed she was when I foolishly re-engaged her after she came to my New Year’s Eve bash. I hate cats but…well, hard to hate a kitten isn’t it.

Then as I wrote elsewhere she pulled some shit on me and I realized the whole thing was attention-getting nonsense and that was that.

But in the case of the most recent girl I banged and cut loose, she texts every few days and I respond generally in one word answers “safe trip” that kind of stuff.

Interesting observation that this kind of thing works on beta men. I’d say that’s definitely true. I was at my most beta in my early 20s, and I was constantly allowing manipulative tactics like those to influence me. In my 40s, those same people see me coming and don’t even make eye contact with me; as well they shouldn’t.

I just need to work on reeling this back in a little. Unfortunately, I send the same “I’m not somebody you want to bother” vibe to girls too. I need to crack a smirk or something once in a damn while.

I read the game a few years ago. And I have done quite a bit of reading over the past couple of years and have jumped into the fray a few times. Still trying to eradicate my beta programming and master this crazy shit.

I have been reading this site and Rollo’s for while now. And I am learning so much. I am 50 and I have met a solid 9 26YO and we have been together for about two months. She was fun and funny and beautiful Certifiable, She works as a promotional model and has done a couple of magazines. Sex has been awesome. About a few weeks ago things started to go sideways. More attitude. Less available. More shit tests so I got to the point where I told her she needed to respect me otherwise I am gone. Well it did not work. She agreed completely and then went back to the same thing.

So then a few days ago I went silent. Only responding to her texts and only briefly. It seemed to work. She sent me dirty photos. And kept initiating. I stayed uninterested. Then yesterday she kind of gives me all of these reasons why she has been unavailable. I waited a while and then sent her a text just saying. “I am really not feeling it….” Then she sent me an indignant wat? and then a dirty pic.

I said nice and then went silent again. At the end of the day she sends me long blow up text about four paragraphs about I need to talk to her and let her know where I am at with our relationship and she has other options. Which she does, she is really hot. No apologies. But she admits that she is a bitch.

So then I wait a while and send her a text back saying call me…she sends back “I have the vagina you call me…”I sent a lol and I called her. Figuring she had enough and was ready to behave. We had a good conversation and set a date to get together tonight for some playtime.

We texted today with some light bantering, and I kept it short and aloof. Then in the afternoon she sends a slightly insulting text out of the blue.

I went dark again. Have not communicated since. And we are supposed to see each other tonight.

What would you masters do? I could stay dark and blow off the date?

Meet up with her and not do anything, hoping that me going dark was punishment for her bad behavior? Should I punish her for this?

Meet up with her and tell her she is acting like a brat and I am walking away until she shapes up?

I know I started this relationship from a beta frame, does that mean all is lost?

What you can do is disappear for a while. You’re still engaging her so you’re in her frame.

She does something. You disappear. She sends photo. You reply. Rinse and repeat.

You have to commit to disappearing for a while..NOT to punish her, but to clear your own head.

The idea of having a hot girl is now producing a “scarcity” mentality. The “abundance mentality” only comes when you have other interests.

I’ve just gone through this and am only now coming out of it.

I started banging another girl. She displayed similar behaviours so I just pulled back. She pulled back. I don’t engage. I just banged another girl.

When you start banging other girls you can then see them for who they are and not as “hot girls”.

Would you allow a 6 to treat you like that??? NO. So don’t let a 9 do it.

Focus on your neediness. That’s the issue. You’re a people pleaser and she’s an emotional vampire.

She’s toying with you because 1) you let her and 2) it’s fun for her.

I’ve realized now that with these types you can’t “reason” with them because they’re emotionally stunted and any type of ultimatum: “you need to respect me” is seen as you needing her more and acting out of desperation not genuine strength.

instead of the “you need to respect me” reframe that around “I don’t tolerate bad behavior” and then walk away. But when you walk away you have to truly disappear.

If you don’t she’ll keep playing with you until you reply then she’ll disappear.

These types of girls—“Cluster B” are no-win. Get out while you still have your balls and find someone who is less drama.

It seems like she has the upper hand, and there is nothing you can do about it. Don’t treat her as your lover, initiate ejection already now, and go hunting for new girls. It doesn’t mean you should ignore her, but know that this shit will come again and again, she is probably too hot for you unfortunately. You had a good time with her, time to move on.

If at 50 you were able to have this 26 year old good looking 9 interested in you enough that you have been having good sex for 2 months, then she can not be the only woman on earth who would have a relationship with you.

If you can not fix this relationship don’t despair , there will be other young hot 9s.

“So then I wait a while and send her a text back saying call me…she sends back “I have the vagina you call me…”

You shouldn’t have called. You flunked the shit test so she’s going to keep throwing more. You should have just gone dark right then. One thing guys don’t often understand is how poorly hot women handle being sexually rejected and/or ignored. The hotter the girl, the more nuclear it is. (Assuming she’s invested, and she obviously is.)

Also, she expects even more dominance and control from you than she would of a guy her age.

I’d text her something short like “not going to make it tonight” blow off the date, and go dark. And when you get the her next hysterical ranting text about how dare you treat her like this bla bla (yea I’ve written a few myself) your response is simply “ok”.

Amy…thanks for the slap in the face…I wish I knew this stuff earlier hell even what you said earlier in the week lol I love what you had to say and your perspective…I know this chic is not perfect she has her issues…but she did seem to be really worth it at first…

Your comments about how hot women feel about being sexually rejected is pure gold…It really opened my eyes. Now the next question. Is how do you know when enough is enough? Because right now she is as gentle as a kitten. But I am waiting for the next shit storm if there is one.

Since things are pretty stable as of last night and today. Should I just settle back in and maintain. Or would you still go for the canceling of the next date just to send the right message?

Yea, I’d maintain but the next time she pulls something (and she will) you have to react harshly. If she sends you a mildly insulting text, go dark. If she is distant and giving you one word text replies, just go dark until she’s effusive with you again. Make her do all the work making up. Cultivate different tones in your voice so you have a hard-edged one to use when you’re not pleased with her, and a warmer one when she’s been good. This is great for subtle relationship control.

Fighting is not as scary to her as being ignored. If you do engage her face to face, never tell her you want/expect/demand respect. That’s a given. You say something like, “I’m sick of your bullshit. Either you cut the shit or we’re done.” Hard-edged. And then you have to be prepared to follow through.

Remember, all women are looking for a man who won’t put up with our shit. A really hot woman needs that even more, because men always kiss up to her and let her lead in every way, which is never what she wants. If she had a good dad, he led her and kept her under control, and now she’s shit testing to find a guy like her dad… and when she does, she can submit and (mostly) stop shit testing. But a hot girl who didn’t have a good dad, or any dad… they can shit test forever and drive men away and never understand why they’re so miserable. This girl sounds like the latter, but you never know.

It really doesn’t matter. If you go dark, you will win. But I just usually don’t have that kind of time.

I’m getting a lot better at just no-contacting chicks when they do something that annoys me. Hell, now I think about doing it for dumb shit — i.e. she didn’t reply to my text fast enough, etc.

Anyway, if I actually go dark on a chick and keep gaming, chances are I won’t contact her for a long time. If I want to smash her soon, I’ll just eat the DLV to smash and -THEN- go dark :D

way better. why? hot-cold.

So I’d fail the shit test by calling her when she does her little ‘blah blah i have a vagina,’ and I’d probably even say — truthfully — that I miss her pussy or some shit like that. Then I’d smash, then I’d GFTOG. After I got done with number 10 I’d contact her again.

‘A production assistant from the Disney star’s new film Spring Breakers says rapper Gucci Mane spent an inappropriate amount of time in Selenita’s trailer!!
The crew member explained:
“We thought it was [odd] that she was in there with [Gucci Mane]. One time [producers] sent security to make sure she was OK… It almost became a joke, [another employee] said [to Gucci Mane] ‘Watch out or I’m telling Justin.’ [Gucci] was like ‘F*ck that lil n*gga.”

oh obsid what up bro lol I took your advice and did date a black chick her son was up on Gucci’s nuts
moved in with her she wanted my kid
wanted to live forever with me and shit
got to raise some niglets for a bit
it was interesting the kids moved out the mom was too loud when I was fucking her I think
think I did instill some future related values in them though they might actually be successful who knows your welcome
but yea she said she was preggers just wanted that light skinned kid
got on a plane waved goodbye she threw me going away party never talked to her again
had to go to white woman again cause black bitches no matter what they got just can’t hang on looks

I saw this with the Turkish ice cream seller in Boat Quay in Singapore. The guy has this whole shtick where a customer—often a young girl comes in to buy a cone. He whips out the ice cream, ladles it on, reaches out to hand it over to her and just as she’s about to grab it, he flips it upside down….she looks surprised. Then he tried again and pulls it away. THis goes on for 5 minutes and a crowd gathers.

The customer never walks away. I find myself wanting that cone more just to get him to stop fucking around with it.

Then it occurred to me. The customer doesn’t want the cone, the customer is seduced by the idea that the cone must be something special if it keeps getting taken away in such a playful manner.

Easy-to-get and hard-to-get strategies had opposite effects on emotions.

Individuals who acted engaged and interested on the date (easy to get) were seen as more positive and likeable. Individuals who were detached and non-engaging (hard to get), however, sparked more interest and desire. Thus, the strategy that made the person more likeable was not the same as the strategy that got them picked for a date or relationship.

Playing hard to get only works when someone is already (at least a little) interested.

Participants who were already committed to the interaction (those who had chosen the date) found the hard-to-get date more desirable. In contrast, participants who were not committed (paired at random) found the easy-to-get date more desirable. Playing hard to get magnified the desire and interest that was already present—but it was not able to create it from nothing.

In this day and age, men need to be VERY CAREFUL about over-playing that hard-to-get bullshit.

In particular, if you want to dip your stick in it, then once you’ve got your foot in the door, you need to move firmly and swiftly to sexualize your relationship with her, first in your conversations with her, and then by getting naked with her and she having orgasms by you.

Otherwise you are in perilous danger of being written off as either a friend-zone nice guy loser, or else as a weird pervy creep.

In fact, in this day and age, of the hypersexualization of every last aspect of the culture, I’d argue that it’s better for a guy to play the hard-to-get tall-dark-and-handsome stranger AFTER he has already gotten naked with the chick.

So that her hamster gets to revving furiously: “Oh my God, who was that guy who gave me more orgasms than I’ve ever had in my life? Why won’t he reply to my texts? Where did he disappear to? What have I done? And now my period is late. Am I pregnant? Did I fornicate with Satan Himself? Am I carrying the Anti-Christ in my womb? Oh save me, Jesus, SAVE ME!!!”

Which then is just about exactly the perfect time to suddenly reappear in her life…

I was a bit surprised by your comment that women come on here claiming that “game” works on men. What?? No game is needed for a women to get a man. If you look good enough to peak his interest..boom..done deal, no need for any psychological manipulations. If you’re not hot enough to spark his interest, no amount of mind games is going to change that. But trying to pick up women, there game IS of utmost importance because that is what women are looking for,whether they realize it or not. Still, denial of reality is a major facet of humanity.

I recently saw girl game in action. A woman invited me to sit with her and her girl friend at a bar new to me. One woman outed the other that her rival was married and the married woman outed the other that she had a bf. (poisoning the well) And they were asking me if I was a player or swinger after they asked if I was married. (instigation,sexualization) Yeah, I was in the bar alone and not wearing my ring. It was work-related, lol. I was doing research for my book and they were the subjects of my work. I didn’t tell them that, though. :)

Girl game _can_ be more than looks, especially where competition is involved between women who are about equally attractive.

I really appreciate the advice. It is amazing how spot on you guys were. So the first thing is that I did see her that night and I acted like the slight smartass comment never happened earlier in the day. I have become much less invested in her with long and responsive texts. And that as well as the blowup and me going dark at the beginning of the week certainly did contribute to her improving her attitude and being more sexual and affectionate. Matter of fact the sex was amazing last night.

She gives great head as it is. And she goes right for my cock like a hungry animal. I never have to ask her to do that. So that part is good. But I fear there is much more that needs to be done and I am not so sure it is going to get done like you guys said . I hear you on the oneitis and I am fully ready to walk away with the next indiscretion.

We talked at dinner last night and we got into a discussion about exes. I am married by the way and she is my mistress and she knows about my wife. Not a problem for her at least not yet. So she tells this story about an ex that broke her heart and how it deeply affected her and it was amazing how she described This dude and he was a natural alpha to a tee. I even asked her at one point what were you doing with this dude that was a drug dealer? And she said so nonchalantly “hes a bad boy…all pretty girls like bad boys” like it was a given.

She comes from a large tight knit family and was a competitive cheerleader, gymnast and all those popular things in high school. But she has this whole other side of her that is attracted to the real bad elements of society. In addition to this she has a mouth on her. Lots of cussing, and no filter so she says whatever is on her mind. And you are right about the daddy issues. She is estranged from her dad.

Another thing that is interesting is that I am working on my beta bullshit programming and I stopped the trying to impress women a while ago. I don’t brag or even talk about myself that much. Try to keep it as mysterious as possible. But every time I do talk about something that happened or a story or something. She will very casually start to tell me a story about a guy friend of hers that did this thing and is richer or bigger or better. But in a very subtle way. Not in my face but it is.

Not sure how to take this or what it means.

Also when you recommend walking away I am on that the next time I need to do it. But I have to ask. Do you just go dark? And for how long? How do you know when enough is enough?

And by the way I do have a couple of prospects that I am going to start working on. Neither one of them is as hot. But they both have really nice bodies and should be good to fuck. ONe is 35 and the other is 41. Start getting some plates spinning. But how do I work this into the the current relationship? How do I let her know about these other women? I want to create the tension needed in this relationship without ending it completely.

@reco…. you’re married and this 26 year old 9 is your “mistress” … no wonder she’s acting like things don’t matter…it’s a fling for her. The idea she can steal a man away from his wife is a huge thrill for this type of girl.

Brother…I really never thought of that. But you may have a point there. She does have somewhat of a thrill seeking personality about her. She is very bold about taking chances. And yes it may just be a fling for her and me. She has even made it a point a couple of times to mention or ask me about my wife and if we had sex anymore. Of course I told her almost never.

But I would like to make this a more regular thing. And of course that is what she told me she wanted. But one thing I have certainly learned is what she says and what she does are miles and miles apart.

Game works well on men in business in status oriented fields. Game is a concept to express higher status than is meritorious where the opposing side has insecurities to exploit. The best example is the legal field. It is ridiculously stratified. I don’t understand why one lawyer is worth $10MM, while another $10K. I think game skills are 90% of the difference.

Sales, high finance, design, marketing (Don Draper), etc.. are all areas where game dominates. C++ coding and accountants, not so much. The easiest thing to do is look at the high end of the industry and evaluate their game skilz. Lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, top salesmen, etc. are all game masters. Also, in fields where bankers or VC’s need to be conned.