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Been a while since I made a blog post, so I have something special for you today. Opera 20 goes to developer stream today. As you may know, the developer stream is where we try things out; some of them don’t make it to the Opera Next stream, others do, depending on their stability and general bugginess, so thanks in advance for trying them out and for your bug reports.

Opera 20 developer is available for Windows and Mac.

Highlights

Extensions chrome.downloads API (DNA-13993)

Drag tabs onto the bookmarks bar (DNA-12485)

Confirm exit when using Command–Q (DNA-12338) (Mac only)

Improved stash screenshots (DNA-13588). No more blurry scaled snapshots, hopefully (NB: we haven’t tested every URL on the Web)

I tried changing the sizes of the speed dials, and I made sure to keep the width:height ratio the same, but any SD extensions that have images in them seem blurry when the size of speed dials is increased. Anyone else seeing this?

[Edit: I restarted opera, and now all I get are blank grey squares in place of SD extensions]

alex_shpak

yes, thumbnail images are resized, and original resolution is kept intact. We’re looking into ways to make it better.

we’re working on them. With a release every weeks, stuff that’s 90% ready gets into dev builds. Bigger tasks take longer to get to that threshold.

Cjcr

Good to know that you guys are working on it. Thanks for reply

David_Gould

Get the Easy Tab Manager extension.

Cjcr

I’m sorry, but I’m not refer to those kind of handling. For example, I want to open all the tabs on the right side (and I no want to use an extension because I saw how it works and it move the tabs when is loaded … that’s is a cr*p)

senna_4ever

the options of that extension are interesting to have an idea of tab handling

i use it but if opera develop something built in and better, i will leave it

Tams80

It’s not very good. For features so ingrained in the browsing experience like tab management I’ve never found an extension for any browser that works well.

The same goes for speed dial. Even the in some respects limited new Opera’s speed dial is far better than any of the extensions/addo-ons.

And I am starting to frustrate about bookmarks 🙁 ,I am not even able to use bookmarks bar. (No way to import my bookmarks, bookmark importer greyed out).

NoName

When a window is restored from a private window, the window is restored as a private window.
I have lost my entire session a few times this way 🙁

RB

Developer stream is hitting v20, and still no Linux? It’s so ridiculous at this point that all you can do is laugh.

David_Gould

Not really. Progress is remarkably slow on the Windows version too.

RB

“Slow” is more progress than “Nothing”.

pajousek

So, I have a problem (it happened with the previous build as well, but I was hoping it was reported by someone and fixed)… the sync for search engines worked, but now when I try to search something, it searches “%s” string instead of the thing I wanted it to search.

The address for the search engine is “http://slovnik.seznam.cz/?q=%s&lang=en_cz”, which looks OK to me.

Dmitry Kirin

Not confirmed, or I’m doing something wrong: added the search engine, works OK; synced it to Next, also OK.

pajousek

Sorry, forgot to add one probably important detail — the engine was migrated via sync from old Opera.

pajousek

Were you able to confirm the situation described in the other comment? (The engine was created in the old Opera).

Dmitry Kirin

Just tried to create it in 19 Next and sync to 20 Dev. Works fine. When I try and guess how I could make this not working, I only think of copying the search url incorrectly, say, with a url encoding, %25s instead of %s.

pajousek

Old Opera as in Presto one, not Opera 19.

iwod

Will there ever be Tab Overflow?

bruce lawson

We’re looking at tab handling at the moment, but it’s too early to say what’s in and what’s out.

iwod

Please at least make it an Advance option for the near term. The browser is simply unusable with more then 15 tabs opened.

David_Gould

I have 108 at the moment.

Use Easy Tabs Manager.

Emanuele

I give you an hint: TabStacking, maybe enhanced* with something like the Firefox Panorama feature 😉

* enhanced doesn’t mean “substituted by” , just to clarify 😛

Jokes apart, I think that building from scratch it could be possible making something really interesting merging in an unique and coherent vision stuff like the old Windows panel/menu, Tab stack, FF panorama, (MDI ? … well, I try 😛 ) and even sessions … the main limits are your fear of the average user’s skills and, of course, your imagination 🙂

I know that you guys are implementing Opera-specific APIs, but do you also consider extending Chrome’s?
Cause I got a method in mind that would be great to have, but which chrome.downloads doesn’t offer…

Martin

What is the motivation behind showing the last 4 dials within a group over the first 4?
In my case I use the first 4 dials more than the last, so I prefer to see them on the Speed Dial.

The custom sized dials are a nice addition in my use of the Speed Dial, however for a low resolution screen I’d like to be able to adjust the margins as well.

I like using groups on Speed Dial, however at the moment the second row of groups feel the best since the group is opened on the same row.
Would it be possible to open groups on the same vertical position?

Thanks for the customization!

alex_shpak

logic behind showing *last* 4 dials is that when you drop a new item on the folder — then you see it

x a

The problem is, that this (and the slot-taking +-button) makes it even harder to continue using SD as what the name suggests and as what it was intended to be, when Opera introduced the feature under that very name: ”SpeedDial“.

What makes a speed dial tableaux efficient and fast, is the fact, that it maps information (ie fast access to web sites) to an area in the 2d Opera start page canvas.
(Here you recognize, that a SD better should avoid the requirement to be scrolled – so the +-button wastes a useful slot in the info matrix –. It also should avoid moving the tiles around unnecessarily.)

Aiding the process of finding the link in a known area are optical hints as color and patterns. Now always showing the last 4 mini screenshots in SD groups changes the visual appearance of that group each time you add a site to the group. That conflicts with the purpose of a SpeedDial, according to my opinion.

Vux777

I couldn’t agree more…
In new Opera, the whole visual experience is downgraded from Presto
-Stash is cool feature, but anything else than minimum hight list is useless (too many info and colors/designs, scrolling 20+ parts!! of the pages makes me sea sick)

-SD should always have customization in a way that scrolling in not needed (size, number of thumbs in a row, space between thumbs…)
-and SD groups are …well, not so cool
It’s two lvl SD. I would be more happy with real SD groups/tabs (more SD’s, like switching SD->Stash). It would be better that Stash is organized like SD groups (in the form those groups are now), so that we have some sort of organization in stash, and keep SD clean

Martin

Exactly. I lost a dial because the group was larger than 4. I needed to check all groups to find it again.
I find it strange that I need to be reminded what my last addition was. I much prefer consistency.

Emanuele

Very bugged build, isn’t it?

1. Very high hard disk usage here after the update (Win7 x32)

2. impossible to close (if you close it all the processes will not be stopped. I’ve to go in the task manager to kill them all, and I find also a crash reporter process too … I tried several times before reporting it here) … I think this is related to the first problem

3. no favicons in tab bar

This after a five minutes of testing…

bruce lawson

it is buggy, yes – it’s a dev build, and the first in the cycle at that. Features may come, features may go. We’ll iron out the worst bugs based in your reports (then take it to Opera Next which may still be buggy but is feature complete) so thanks for posting them and keep them coming,

Emanuele

I was not complaining but only highlighting the fact that this time the new build is really buggy and reported some problems, nothing more 😉

I’m totally fine with short URLs in everyday browsing, but now a huge part of the URL bar is just empty. Have you got any intention of using this space with some UI elements or will it be possible for users to put something there? (e.g. placing the tab bar next to the URL bar)

Emanuele

They leave that space empty because now you’ve to put there lots of extensions’ icons since now the clean browser is still featureless 😛

wheany

And where can I see this roadmap?

Leonardo Gomes

You (We) can’t, it’s Opera’s internal roadmap.

Onaj Tamo

I don’t need bookmarks I need a Linux version.

bruce lawson

thanks, but that’s not really a bug report. We know about the requests for a Linux version. It’s been mentioned before.

Onaj Tamo

Yeah,I wonder how many times more do people have to request it so you actually make one.Yes I also know its been said nothing before March,but why wait so long?I suggest writing a blog post just for explaining why do we have to wait so long for that.

David_Gould

“Yeah,I wonder how many times more do people have to request it so you actually make one.”

How many times do people need to tell you before you’ll stop asking?

Onaj Tamo

That is irrelevant.I won’t stop asking until a Linux version of Blink Operas is present for me to use/test.

David_Gould

You seem to be under 2 significant delusions.

1. That Opera Software owe you anything. They do not.
2. That annoying them will make them want to do what you want.

There’s a 3rd less-significant one:

3. That you’re actually missing something. If you’re a significant user of FB and Google sites, you are. If you need a particular Chrome extension that works under Opera Blink, you are. Otherwise, you’re not.

Onaj Tamo

Actually yes I use FB, youtube and G+ every day for at least an hour.I prefer G+.Of course I know they don’t owe me anything.But I wan’t to be able to tell my friends that Opera is good for them,provide Opera developers with free marketing,but I can’t do that until I get a Linux version.

And you yourself are under delusion that:
1)Your comment did not make me laugh when in fact it did.
2)That I care about your comments when in fact I don’t.

And I am sure that not mentioning a Linux version every now and then could make them forget about it and never releasing one.

David_Gould

“And you yourself are under delusion that:
1)Your comment did not make me laugh when in fact it did.”

You are under the delusion that I had such a belief.

“2)That I care about your comments when in fact I don’t.”

Again, you are under the delusion that I had such a belief.
However, your long reply contradicts you.

“And I am sure that not mentioning a Linux version every now and then could make them forget about it and never releasing one.”

Interesting delusion that Opera Software don’t have a business plan/roadmap for Opera, and the one I already mentioned — that your annoying comments would make them more inclined to produce a Linux version rather than less.

BTW, the reason there’s no Linux version is that Linux distros create a mess of UI standards and it takes a while to accommodate all that.

Nonetheless, I hope a Linux version remains forthcoming, and that your annoying comments don’t put them off.

Onaj Tamo

There is no reason for them to make it if people stop requesting it.

David_Gould

So what you’re saying is that a Linux version has no value to Opera Software.

I think you’re shooting yourself in the foot there.

Onaj Tamo

No what I am saying is if the users won’t tell them they want one they won’t have a reason to make one.You know,rule of free trade.

Saskatchewan

I’m trying to switch to Opera Developer as my main browser and leave Opera 12 as a backup one. Although there are many small and bigger issues, not being able to select text in the middle of a link seems to be the most annoying one.

rufu2

It is possible, but it is user-unfriendly: Start your click just above or below the link, while the mouse pointer is still an arrow, and then drag over the part you want to select. It takes way too much precision, IMHO.

Saskatchewan

Yes, I read about it somewhere, but one thing is the precision and the second thing is that it will not work with multiple-line links.

rufu2

You are right about the multi-line thing. Also I found if there is text in a styled box element that has a link, it is not possible to select only a part of it because the box is always in the way.

Thank you! There’s one small problem – I can’t start selection inside a link and end it somewhere else. Anyway, it’s the best workaround for now, but I feel that there has to be a native solution for it.

Vux777

and today I was thinking ” why they don’t improve that damn link selection”

The new possibility to change the size of the speed dials is a funny game. 200 x 150 is bigger than 230 x 170 (standard) but 150 x 100 is smaller. But the limit of number of speed dials is always 7 (here on my 1920 x 1080 system) except I edit the preferences file. And this big border is not necessary. Beside that it would be nice to have another choice to kill the big “+” button. Thank you.

bruce lawson

thanks Ralf. Out of interest, why the hate for the bug + button? (I have no thoughts on it one way or another)

Vux777

sometimes its just [+] button in last line and unnecessary creates scroll bars
that’s just one of the things
there are many other ways to add page to SD

Ralf Brinkmann

It’s not a hate. I just think you can do it better. As Vux777 said, sometimes the space could be organized better, you don’t need such a big border and the button is absolutely unnecessary. You have a context menu key (some people use the right mouse button for it) to open a new speed dial entry.

Dmitry Kirin

The [+] button is similar to the main search bar: there are better ways to do their tasks. However, I admit it might be wise to keep the [+] for novice users, just to make at least one way of customising the SD obvious. There should be an option to hide it, the same way we can hide the search bar, which I, however, don’t do because not everyone using my PC is comfortable with searching with the address bar, asking, “Where’s my Google.” Same thing about the [+].

I agree on adding an option to remove that blasted [+] button… I really never need it. I set up my New Tab Page and organize it perfectly in a 4×3 grid, so in my 4×3 or anything with a perfectly filled grid, that + button sticks out on the bottom and makes it scrollable or just vertically off-centers it and personally I hate it… It’s a great Idea to have it there for new users, but for us who have the perfect and most efficient setup for ourselves we don’t need it.

Are u serious ? I can’t believe it, so many users have wrote it and you don’t noticed that ??? Almost all Youtube videos only works in 360p with Opera. In every other browser youtube HTML5 videos works with all resolutions. This is going now for weeks with Opera, nobody of my friends is using Opera at the moment.

In Opera 12.16, there is an option to disable all application animations for Opera, can the (Blink based) Opera get that also?

side note, I have sent in a lot of crash reports for Opera Mail (on OS X), I am hopping that those get fixed & it gets; Sandboxing support, 64 bit, and XProtect support (plus 3rd party antimalware support)

Dmitry Kirin

Thanks for the build! I can even see my ticket in the changelog and some translation improvements! 🙂 Drag-and-drop between the SD and Bookmark bar is also awesome and very much useful! YouTube video seem to be working well now, not misplaced, as before.

Also, while reading the changelog, I couldn’t help laughing at, “DNA-14035 Miss placed mini thumbnails at the start of a add-to-folder animation”—I wonder who was that miss, and if it was good or bad that she placed her mini thumbnails to animation. 🙂

My wish list for the future is now this:

– Bigger height of the address bar, set by an option, because I might be a minority with this request.

– Show keyboard shortcut keys in the context menu, to make the UI look more consistent.

– Right sweep with right mouse button to open link in a new background tab. It’s the only mouse gesture I ever used in O12.

– A New Folder button in the Bookmark bar’s folders. There is a solution to this one, but it would be better to have the direct way.

– An option to keep Opera in the background when it is running and receiving a request from the operating system to open an url. Reason: suppose, I read a mail message and there are multiple hyperlinks which I want to open. Currently, Opera is brought forward whenever each link is opened. I want to suppress that, to click all the links and switch to Opera only after that.

– A fix to popup window blocking. I’ve captured the following situation: I click a link with the middle mouse button, Opera blocks a new window and opens a new tab with the ad page. The blocked window is the page I wanted to open. (The ad is blocked by my firewall, so it’s not a significant issue for me.)

Nekomajin42

The SD resize option is a good feature. But as others said, it would be good to be able to change the margins too. And a context menu item would also be good to quick-access the start page options in the Settings. Anyway, I’m happy with the resize.
(In the future, it would also be good to be able to change the tile sizes one-by-one. Then we would be able to build a speed dial similar to the Windows Modern UI where you can have bigger and smaller tiles. So we would be able to set smaller tiles for the site thumbnails, and bigger tiles for live-content extension, for example.)

Speaking about the drag-and-drop animations, I like it. It looks really good. But I’ve found a bug, or missing feature. When I drag an item from the bookmark bar, a transparent placeholder appears on the speed dial. But when I drag an item from the speed dial, there is no sign on the bookmark bar. A favicon-size placeholder would be good.

And what about this confirm on exit feature? I don’t use Mac, so I don’t get it. It only asks for confirmation, when you want to close the browser with a key combo?

Operalino

Not sure if it is a bug or I just don’t find the setting, but the SpeedDial Buttons don’t get updated any more for me since Opera 15+. Even hitting the reload button of Opera doesn’t reload the content. Only right click a single Button allows me to reload it.

Does anyone have any good bookmark manager UI extensions they can suggest? It’s the MOST important missing feature for me so if anyone has any nice implementations or a bookmark importer I’d be very thankful to you.

Does anyone know if Opera has an open bug reporting system like Firefox’s Bugzilla or Chrome’s crbug.com? There’s only this one-way simplified reporting wizard and a portal which seems like staff only.

Just jumped in to try out the new Opera one or two weeks ago and found it weird that I don’t have a place to search, track, or even view existing bugs.

reesmichael1

Your perception is correct. The lack of an open bug tracker has been a common criticism of Opera for many years. My understanding is that it’s closed because Opera has many corporate customers with confidential data in the bug tracker.

Many people here do keep track of bug numbers, and if you ask an employee on this blog, you’ll often (although certainly not always) get a response about its status.

Huh. Maybe they could go Google’s way then. AFAIK they still keep some important bugs private, but crbug.com makes lots of the rest available (not necessarily editable, but at least detail and stuff are visible) to users.

EUREKA found a good bookmark import solution, don’t have the UI but ill see how this goes considering the actual bookmark UI isnt as needed as importing almost 1000 which would be an insane manual task.

Used the Xmarks Bookmark Sync extension but duplicated the “Other Bookmarks” folder on the chrome side into a folder on the bookmarks bar, then select copied them all the “Other Bookmarks” into the duplicated folder on the bookmark bar(QAB).
Installed the extension both on opera & chrome, synced from Chrome to Opera and it imported all my hundreds of needed and valuable bookmarks into Opera 20.
The “Other Bookmarks” folder is a little out of place AND it actually synced into Opera hidden “Other Bookmarks” folder you can’t normally access but any chrome extension that manages local bookmarks will see that so you can either delete them or keep them there. I choose to delete them for now.

SO Import close to 1000 bookmarks = Solved for me, now for a nice UI but now that i have them all i can manage them from the QAB for the most part.

ayespy

This is exactly what I did.

Works a treat. And with a bit of organizing and the favicon changer extension so that I can use the QAB with favicons only and no labels, I have nearly total bookmark functionality.

It is Opera that bugs, please try the same link in Internet Explorer and you’ll see that video is also offered in 720p and 1080p.
This is again the tradition of buggy Opera, sadly the devs won’t even comment on it.

Does it have anything to do with the codec beeing WebM instead of H264?

Alacran

Don’t know, have not looked at that but it may as well be so.
Anyway it seems that the bells are ringing at Opera, there is now a blog post about the issue.

zeum

1. Speed dial screenshots would be nice. Kinda silly to show just a logo and have to load a page to see if its updated instead of just glancing at the icon.

2. Panels – come on already!

3. Ability to relocate tab bar to bottom of screen – Start button and taskbar are on the bottom, makes it more ergo for some of us that got used to the real opera customizations a decade ago. (Look at a heatmap for PC mouse and see all the wasted scrolling to the back buttons people do)

1. Agreed. No need to reload the page, uses less RAM, and looks better
2. Maybe one day. Don’t hold your breath.
3. Yes, especially relocate to the side for widescreen.
4. Ctrl Shift T is not as easy to use as Ctrl Z. Customisable shortcuts is clearly the only way to please everyone.
5. Unlikely, and no point really. Just don’t use it.
6. No chance in my lifetime. They said it will take a complete rewrite, and for something that a minority use I don’t ever see that happening.

Leonardo Gomes

About #3, it would be nice to have (visual) tabs on the left/right.

David_Gould

“Ability to relocate tab bar to bottom of screen”

Yes, and the address bar. Where they should be. Where captions on pictures are located. Where Opera had them until FF got so popular, Opera felt they had to copy its bad conventions.

zhnujm

I think its getting a bit weird that the gmail page is still not working correctly…
The whole “More” menu is still missing.

Leonardo Gomes

If you mean the one that has “mark as (un)read”, “mark as important” and so on, then it seems to be working here.

zhnujm

nope, not the “more” at the top of the page, the one on the left side where you can access your trashcan,spam, and much more.
its simply not there in opera.

Will there be a comeback of the status bar, please? It is way more comfortable to use the zoom in the status bar of Opera 12.16 than to use zoom via Opera Button. And, yes I know there are shortcuts but the status bar solution is way better.

or, simply, a good graphic toolkit that supports all the customization of Quick (moving everything everywhere, add/remove/change commands, create chain of commands, simple .ini file editing with an awesome fallback support for all the stuff you don’t touch, and so on…)

Dear Opera Desktop Team: my polite post concerning about Opera 18 and the polite replies from gentlemen Dmitry Kirin was deleted. Thank you for polite mods and the polite “new policy of Opera”.
BTW, I think this post will be politely deleted too…

Dmitry Kirin

I saw your post as awaiting moderation at some point. I thought it was some Disqus glitch and ignored it. At least, I didn’t see anything impolite or excessively whining in your post.

If it was only a Disqus issue, all right, no problem. Thank you by your attention Vux. 😉

Vux777

yw 🙂

xxx9876

You planned to adding sorting into folders speed dial and dark theme (or working themes for UI)?

Tüütlüm Ohaya

Are there plans that Speed Dial can auto focusing on a
websites Logo ?

Vux777

not sure that feature will come soon (if ever)

there is a patch that does what you want, but doesn’t work in this build (at least didn’t worked for me)
If you want to customize your Speed Dials, you could load thumbnails.db file from your profile folder in applications like Navicat for SQLite (30 days trial, more then you need)
and edit every thumbnail as you wish (just drag&drop your img on image area and after you done for all(?) of them, “begin transaction”).
Later (with new builds) you just move your thumbnails.db to new profile and make small edit, if you changed something (eg. new dials…)

Inline search does not position the page view correctly on this page, though it definitely finds text in the underlying invisible div and cycles through its occurrences.

rpsgc

What in Oblivion possessed you to change the default Wikipedia search from English to a localised version in O19 Next & O20 Developer? I don’t want to search Wikipedia in my language, I want it in English!

Bad enough that you don’t let us change those search engines, now you do this without so much as a peep? Opera, please.

x a

May I suggest (and shamelessly promote ;)) my XenoWiki Wikipedia omnibox search extension? Perhaps you like it (despite by default you’d have to type one additional letter – ”wx“ instead of ”w“ as search prefix).

rpsgc

I see. It has become clear now. The conspiracy is unfolding before my very eyes.

They did this so more people would use your extension. Crafty.

x a

Yay. 😉

Honestly. Isn’t it quite reasonable to think it was the best option, to offer people their local wikipedia variant by default?

And of the requests to allow for editing the default search engines and their prefixes have been plenty in this blog. They have been heard. Opera employers stated multiple times, why that has not been implemented yet: Malicious software specifically targeted to change default search engines to redirect them to bad sites are their stated reasons.

(By the way you can hack your way by modifying the “Web Data” SQLite database in your profile.)

rpsgc

Reasonable? Well, not really considering that while one could easily create a new search engine for their localised version of Wikipedia (which I did in previous versions), you cannot edit the default search. Yes, I know I can create a new one for the English version but ‘w’ is so much more convenient.

And seeing how poorly translated, edited and lacking in information the localised articles are, it was quite inconsiderate of them to do that without prompting the user (yes, asking the user what he wants, what a novel idea). Because I’m sure no one asked for this change.

The concept of pinning tabs is different in Opera than in other browsers. In the old Opera it’s still called “Lock page” in the shortcut commands.

The idea is that you pin a tab because you do not want to close it, To close it, unpin it (unlock it)first.

Emanuele

but that concept was logic when the pinned tabs behaviour didn’t consist in the actual “app tab” (in that times a pinned tab didn’t move to the left corner and show only favicon) …. but now that the new pinned tabs are, really, app tab, you should be able to close it with less steps IMHO

LoverOfLife

Google Chrome can do that

jeremi360

;when Opera will comeback to linux desktop 🙁 ?

Leonardo Gomes

Not in the next three months at least.

moto0000

still, no grupping tabs and hide [+] on SpeedDial option 🙁

bruce lawson

we’re looking at tab handling at the moment. Nothing in builds yet, though.

Nekomajin42

Any news on tab stacking? Dead feature?

Jorton

hide button for bookmarks,

Springer

Still got this bug;
When i try and open a folder from the QAB/Bookmarks Bar, and choose to ‘Open all in a new window’ – only the first bookmark from within the folder opens in a new window, the rest open in the current window…This also happened for me in 19.0.1324.0 & 19.0.1326.0

Jorton

Could you please add a hide button for bookmarks. A clear UI is always good to many people including me.

a. There are no custom scrollbars in Gmail, like they used to. Logically they should look the same as they do in Chrome.
b. When I log into Gmail, and visit Youtube afterwards, I need to click the sign in button on youtube as well. This is not the proper behavior. In every other browser logging into Gmail, logs you into the other Google services as well.

Diogo Neves

When watching youtube videos whith large player and 480p there is always a delay of 5 seconds that doesn’t happen in chrome! It’s realy anoying…

Vitor Moreno

New release is welcome but it comes with new bugs. For now I’m not able to install a theme, the button stuck on installing text.

Small – for sites that do not generate useful screenshots.
Default – for sites that generate some useful screenshots or for extensions
Wide – for extensions that give us information as text (News Portal or RSS Feed)
Big – for extensions that give us information as image (Kinopoisk, Bing images, Youtube for speeddial etc.)

I actually prefer to set my own Width and Height of speed dial thumbnails than some definition of “Wide”, “Big” ???

inDigazzZ

The best way will changing size of each cell by stretching, but developers certainly will not give us this opportunity.

rufu2

I like your mock-up.
If this were done well, it would be perfect for Win8 and tablets, but also useful for normal mouse use. Ideally, the grid would fill the whole available space and scale the items accordingly. So, no fixed sizes but relative sizes. The smallest unit is 1, then you could have SD sized 4 units, 8 and 16 to make the grid as in your example.

I really think the Speed Dial page should NEVER scroll, unless there is an option to explicitly turn on scrolling. The default should be to use the available space and scale everything down, if there are many dials.

AwS

i dont get it.. why on earth would you have a set size speed dial? why not use the scaling thing like the old opera had?

the new operas seriously waste screen space…

98%+ of the changes are related to chrome/ium being updated.. is there 1 developer working on opera desktop? (cant be more than 2)

Yeah like you see they work only on this:
“Performance improvements of theme loading (DNA-12816)”
They now do not work on the engine any more so no more speed for Opera like they have always been the first now they have changed this you will need to adapt to a slow engine…. without features to only extensions…. Look at this link for more info: https://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/07/04/the-vision-behind-opera-15-and-beyond

bruce lawson

“They now do not work on the engine any more so no more speed for Opera”

I’m happy to be able to contradict you here. We have a team (that I’m part of) devoted to improving Chromium and Blink. One facet of this is memory use and speed.

Well this is good because the speed and the memory is a real problem in Chromium for now like I see…. and things are not improving for now at least. I will see in the future how they good they will fix this problems and If they could make it more faster at lest than your older engine Presto. 🙂

L33t4opera

With all due respect Teodor, but you are misinformed in this regard. Just read the information from this link: Opera Software upstreamed commits – “Upstreamed commits in Chromium: 111, Blink: 322”, and the Opera’s contribution, in this month only: Chromium 4, Blink 40.
So as you can see, you you’re wrong, and therefore would be nice, if you stop spread false news. You can find more info regarding this here: Chromium issues reporter Opera.

Sry I was not knowing this I will be not misinform in the future you will see 🙂

Dark Magician

They said that they are working on it.
I’ll hold them to their word.

bricky149

“CHR-1642 [MemUsage][BinarySize] New compacter domain database”
I’ve been seeing these ‘MemUsage’ fixes lately. Are they reflected in Chrome too (I can’t find anything with “CHR-1642”) or just Opera?

Sten

What about BOOKMARKS MENU ??? When is it coming back ?
That should be as one of the main things in browser !
Thanks for all hard work with previous line of browser (Opera 12). There is probably NO other browser with so many options build in.
I use a lot tabs side by side option and bookmarks menu !
One other thing it would be great to have settings for speed dial organizing (e.g. by name, by number or free like desktop icons) and possibility to easily disable x (delete) button.
Theme function should be rather called wallpaper since it only change picture in back ground …

Dark Magician

Not sure if it happens in new dev still. But in latest Next, there is a big memory leak. Even after closing tabs, still draws huge amount of RAM. Also I just had Opera. using CPU over 70% doing absolutely nothing. Then I tried to close Opera, but there was still one process running, and wouldn’t close (still using CPU a lot). Task Manager couldn’t kill it, so I had to log-off. And now it’s back to normal.

Dmitry Dmitriev

Regress – password manager doesn’t works on some sites.
Bug with crashes opera during drag bookmarks to folders not fixed.
(all for mac version)

Bruno Machado

Bring back address bar drop down arrow.

Wanja Gayk

Still no integrated mail client, still no reason to upgrade from Opera 12.x.

Opera is going ever more slower than never it has been and probably version 20 is more slower than 18 for sure….http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/LiteBrite/
And here is my new tests now there ever more bad at loading from updating Firefox, Opera and Google to new versions.

Sry I was not showing that I was posted it in the first place I have deleted my last post yes is not helpful if i repeat my self 🙂
Well I don’t think that testing the speed of Opera 20 is any more relevant now because the speed is going the wrong way. And the seconds is more and more by new versions…. this happens because Opera is not any more there engine inside…. 🙁
And presto by time will just be ever more speedier….

Leonardo Gomes

Presto will not come back and act like a child repeating the same mimimi all the time will not change anything. Neither being. cynical.

So behave like an adult (i will assume that you are one) or do a favor to all of us and leave this blog.

Probably Opera 20 will load ever more bad 🙁 and I will not test it…http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/LiteBrite/
And here is my new tests now there ever more bad at loading from updating Firefox by 2 more seconds, Opera by 7 more seconds and Google by 9 more seconds of loading all are to the most newer updated versions.
And my new tests is:
1st Internet Explorer v.11 test time=2seconds load (fastest) sys up -2s from 4s win
2nd Opera Stable v.12.16 test time=8s load (well good) sys up1 -1s up2 -1s win
3rd Firefox v.26.00 test time=8s load (no full support) +2s older v.25.01=6s
4th Opera v.18.00 test time=27s load (going more slower) +7s older v.17.00=20s
5th Google Chrome dev v.33 test time=37s load (the slowest) +9s canary 33s older v.33=28s
The wins are from the update of the windows. s=Seconds of loading
up1 and 2=Updated to the new Windows and the new drivers of the graphic card.

Haven’t had a closer look at its source code yet, but what’s hindering you from changing positioning?

Saskatchewan

Even after changing the position of a dial, drop events are still working with fixed positions. This means that if you want to create a folder, you would have to drop a dial in the place where another dial is supposed to be, not where it is.

Muhammad Ubaid Raza

Yes, I happened to know this when I was working on Better Dial +, extension.

Nekomajin42

But the program uses some kind of offset value to calculate the position of the tiles, which should be editable with a form. So if a text field with regular CSS does not work, a form with given properties could work.

dqdb

Thumbnail spacing is hard-coded in opera.pak to 32 px vertically and horizontally also in JS code.

Thank you for the new build. I’ll be testing, but slowly, since I still am way more comfortable with O12.16
The list of things that I’m still missing:
– Panels (bookmarks, windows, downloads, links, info, history, notes)
– Mail (Ok, I know, it won’t be back. Still, I am using O12 with M2, and I will miss it in a future O20+)
– Setting a custom search as default.
– Middle click on tab bar for new window.
– Setting a proxy other than the system default.
– Full URL in address bar.
– The ability to customize everything (including turning off things) 😉

One bug is bothering me:

Click-to-play for flash content does not work with some layered content. This is most obvious on vimeo.com

What I like is the bigger developer base for the blink engine and the related extensions. Also, of the new features, I think “Stash” will be very useful some day. A RSS reader could be merged into “Discover”, IMO 🙂

Overall, I still believe you are on the right track. I just wish that it won’t take a few years to get back to the functionality of O12…

Thanks for the link, I read that when it was written and had forgotten some of it. I’m happy that not all of it is set in stone: Opera brought back bookmarks, when they first thought a simplistic extension would be good enough.

Notes aren’t that important to me, but if the side panel(s) make a comeback some day, it would be nice to have notes back, too.
And I meant the panel that shows all the links that are on the current page — are they working on something similar?

I also agree that a native RSS reader in the browser would be fantastic. If “Discover” could consist of only RSS feeds that I could specify, then I would probably use it much more. Right now for my reader, I use the Smart RSS extension by BS-Harou along with his RSS Detector extension.

Notice, Opera Developers: I do not use Opera Mail for my feeds anymore. It is so much more convenient to have it in my browser. Can you hear me hinting at something? Yeah, it’s the Opera Mail issue again. IMO, if you are going to go through the effort of maintaining a mail client, then seems sensible to create something that is truly unique. Now that Opera Mail is a standalone program, I might as well go open source and use Thunderbird.

One last thing for now: I would appreciate if support were added for custom speed dial tiles. Right now, it seems like only big-name sites have a custom tile image. As a web developer, I would like to define how my site appears in the speed dial.

Can confirm. Works in IE, not in opera dev. And if it works in IE and not your browser, you know there’s a problem. ;P

Marcondes Afonso

txs for testing it out Léon,

Dark Magician

Confirmed problems should be upvoted.
Upvote like I did.

hkeye

your site can only work with IE-engined browsers. For Firefox, Opera, Chrome, you need to use extension. Search IE tab in Google webstore. An extension with a name of ie-tab-seamless may be a better choice (it does not create a new address bar)

Marcondes Afonso

wrong hkeye, it does work well in all of the above. just not playing the music operas ( all ) . txs v much 4 your input anyways

Ralf Brinkmann

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I can confirm the mistake in Opera and I can play all clips in naked Google Chrome and Firefox. Without any extension. So the intolerance seems to be on Opera’s side.

Marcondes Afonso

yxs 4 testing it our Ralf. we work on operas, all our emails ( still on opera ) some of us using 12 – others on the standalone app. Opera help the little guys :)!

hkeye

Sorry that I have make a wrong generalisation on website behaviour before actual testing. There are still many websites that can only work in IE. That is why I made such mistake. Sorry again.

Does anyone notice page loading problem sometimes in Facebook. Sometime page is not scrolling exactly or just for me?

Dark Magician

Disqus comments here often don’t load properly.

Elwetana

What I am really missing in new version of Opera is handling of download. In the Opera 12 I was prompted if I want to Run/Open or Save the file. When I choose the former, the file is saved to a temp folder and deleted when I exit Opera. If I choose the latter, I am prompted for the folder where to save the file.

Now in Opera Next, by default all files are saved to the Downloads folder. This can be changed so that I am prompted for the folder where to save it, however, the old option — just save it wherever you want and delete it when you feel like it — is not present.

Dark Magician

I asked for it multiple times. First they said it’s a ”design” choice.
Than that Chromium is the problem, because it lacks the ability, unlike old Presto.

So, Opera12 will be display the redirected download link in adress bar of new tab.

But Chromium-browsers (new Opera included) can’t support this feature. The download links not display in adress bar and not selectable from adress bar, only directly open the save folder window (if actived is “ask where to save file before…”).

Is it possible the feature can adding to Opera 20 or next?

I’m sorry, my bad English.

rufu2

Just a question: Can you make Stash remember the position on the page? There are tons of long pages today, and it would be cool to use Stash as a marker where to continue reading. The screenshot is made at the position where I click on the heart, but clicking the stash item takes me back to the top.

Vux777

about “Site preferences” flag…
I believe it holds zoom site specific settings, right?
Is there any other use of it? maybe in future some actual preferences like in presto?

oic

Anyone getting random youtube clips playing in the background for a spit 1 sec. I don’t even have those youtube clips open or on tab

But as I have VLC plugin installed, the browser always starts to *play* the mp3 file when I press the ‘Download’ button instead of at least letting me choose to *save* it at a place of my choice. So can you please consider making a download dialog box that lets me choose between ‘save’ and ‘open’? Thanks!

Another sugestion to speed dial (I think, it was already said in one of the earlier Opera blogs):

I think it would be a good behaviour, if typing the name of a speed dial folder into the address-/searchfield would show the complete list of URLs of all speed dials in this folder.

At the moment we can type parts of the URL or of the description to show up the list and we can solve this problem by giving “index names” to the descriptions (like the image management of a photo software), but if we could see the whole list of urls of the complete “group” (folder) that would be a great help for people who don’t want to use a “bookmarks bar” and just give the speed dials a better benefit.

Is there a way to prioritize autocomplete based on SD entries, rather than history entries, I’ve seen the absurd that I start typing an address of web I have in a Dial and Opera first look for it in history, and as it doesn’t find it, it suggest a Google Search, instead of the Speed Dial entry.

Are you going to return “Description” for bookmarks?
I have too much valuable search-keywords in this field…

Izer0

100+ for Description! And search in description in “bookmarks” (QAB is not bookmark manager).

Паша

Yes, that is what i am talking about!

Izer0

Uf .. problem with Save As persist, sometimes is hidden, can be closed by ESC, but impossible to show it until restart Opera, or (sometimes) until show Save As in an another application, very confusing!!! Some screenshots here:

1. list of windows from winlister, you can see 2 save as dialogs, the first one can’t be closed, second one appear in list, but is hidden somewhere because has focus and can be closed by ESC

2. Save As dialog forced to show by WinLister command, that is how it is appear – no controls, impossible to close by ESC, no button works, can’t be closed by Close command from WinLister, nothing work. Sometimes closed, when another Save As in Opera is properly closed (but nobody know, when this proper Save As is opened). Absolutely confusing behavior 🙁

No problems with “Save As” so far. Any especial situation that may triggers the problem?

Izer0

Absolutely I have no idea. Save as working in all others applications including Opera 12.16 at same time, only there is a problem. I have about 120 – 150 tabs, but only few loaded (lazy loading), lot of free memory… I am programmer and have deep system knowledge, but I do not understand, why this happens. Maybe an hook in Opera, maybe memory leak after lots of opened and closed tabs/pages, I don’t know…

Confirmed. Though, technically, it is indeed ‘last week,’ from now minus 1 week to now.

beBoss

Not working well with Mega.co.nz -> “Download as ZIP” fcuntion
Some files/folder are missing from the zip archive! With chrome, there is no problem!

raphah

the the fuck is bookmarks? it’s version 20! i am waiting for this in that build

bruce lawson

Settings > User interface > Show the bookmarks bar.

And next time, please, no swearing. It’s discourteous,

raphah

I dont want bookmarks bar, I want bookmarks button

syplex

(I posted this on the Changelog post, but meant to post it here)

Two big bugs still exist which keep angering me greatly.

1. CTRL+F inline search bug.
* Make sure you have several tabs open
* Press CTRL+F on a page
* Leave the inline search up, and press CTRL+TAB to change tabs
* Bug #1, you can’t change tabs, but notice the tabs change color like they are being highlighted
* Press ESC to close the inline search. Now press CTRL
* Bug #2, Opera instantly switches to another tab! This bug hits me ALL THE TIME because the inline search doesn’t go away unless you close it. Switching tabs via the mouse and clicking in the content area doesn’t get rid of it.

2. Random resizing of page. I am not sure what causes this, but it happens every day or two to me. I think it has to do with a problem in registering the CTRL button. I think what happens is I bring up an inline search or press CTRL+TAB etc and then scroll inside of a page. Opera somehow thinks that the CTRL button is still pressed and instead of scrolling it resizes the page. This usually results in the page being shrunk down to nothing, and angers me greatly.

And one request.

Request: Make page zoom apply ONLY to the current tab. This was the behavior in older (12 and earlier versions) and makes sense. I don’t need to zoom often, but when I do it is because a specific page is small. It is incredibly annoying to zoom in so I can read a page and then change tabs to another page but everything is giant and unreadable, so I have to zoom out, then go back to the first page and can’t read it again. It appears Opera tries to be smart about this and doesn’t zoom different domain names, but this behavior is still undesirable.

Dmitry Kirin

The question about zooming has been around for a while on Chromium forums. It is a Chromium feature that zoom levels are set and remembered per host, not per tab or url. As far as I understood, there was no significant use cases identified for the latter. As for the per host strategy, it’s rather logical, as one does not have to set the same zoom from one page to another within the same host. Most websites are likely to have the same design across all their urls, and if it looks unreadable on one page, it will look the same on other pages at the same host. (Of course, this logic may fail on sites with multiple design patterns, like WP or LiveJournal.)

syplex

Well, I find the zoom per host to be undesirable and confusing. I am using Opera on several computers, but one is a media center hooked up to a large TV. I often need to zoom in on pages to read certain text or make it look right and it is so annoying to have my other tabs screwed. I don’t think I’ve ever needed the zoom to match between hosts. It only needs to be a per-tab setting.

Dmitry Kirin

That’s a good point. Indeed, per host zoom level does not allow zooming a page to see tiny details and have another page on the same host under a normal zoom. I think Chromium developers have been solving a different task: to make browsing experience smooth and reduce the necessity of (re-)zooming pages as much as possible. The per host strategy does it the best, because of uniform design of most sites. Looking over tiny details is more of a task for accessibility features like screen magnifier. You can try alternative ways, like pressing 6 on a zoomed-in page, to revert to the standard zoom, right before returning to a ‘reading’ page on the same host.

syplex

But there is no keyboard available most of the time on my htpc. It is usually sitting in a drawer or near the computer in case I need it but I should be able to easily browse with the mouse without having to change zoom levels etc frequently.

Dmitry Kirin

Oh… You must be opening the Opera menu everytime you want a page zoomed. Inconvenient in itself, and per host zoom level adds to it. Btw, now I know what the zoom slider in the status bar was for in O12…

syplex

Yeah the zoom slider from O12 would be incredibly helpful in this case!

I can reproduce this on every computer I have. Open several tabs and try again. Although maybe it is an OS-specific issue. I am using Windows 7.

Jin

About #1:
I very often have the following problem, which is keeping me from using Opera as default browser indeed. And maybe this has some connection to #1:

1. Open 3 tabs.
2. Open the following urls on the tabs you opened in step 1, and let them completely load. (Actually reproducible with any combination of urls. But let’s take them here just as samples.)
– Tab 1: http://www.youtube.com
– Tab 2. mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/
– Tab 3: http://www.golem.de

Bug #1 was not fixed in this build. I am using O20 developer. The bugs (#1 and #2) are still present even in O 20.0.1353.0.

rpsgc

I’ve tried it with both builds and I can’t reproduce it.

I can ctrl+tab between tabs just fine.

syplex

You can ctrl+tab to switch tabs with inline search open and in focus? Try putting a few characters in the find box. Doesn’t work for me on either build, on any of the three computers I have them installed on.

rpsgc

Yes. It just works on my end.

syplex

Ahh I think I figured out why you can’t reproduce it. Enable the “Tab Cycling” flag (#activation-order-tab-cycling) and restart Opera.

rpsgc

Indeed. You were right then. I wonder how long it will take them to fix it.

helsten2

Two small bugs (also reported in previous developer version):
1. If you open opera:stash (as URL), the page is displayed left aligned without theme.

2. If you navigate to Discover from the Speed Dial screen (using the Discover button), click on one of the articles (to read it), go back to Discover (using the Back Arrow button) and then click the Stash button – you end up with a blank screen.

Request: Would be nice to be able to reorder the stash items (drag&drop)

Leonardo Gomes

Both confirmed here.

L33t4opera

By the way: why the “Drag tabs onto the bookmarks bar (DNA-12485)” is not mentioned in the change log for this version? I see the “DNA-12485” only in the change log for version 19.0.1324.0, but there it is marked, that this feature is available only on Mac.

L33t4opera

By the way, why the “Drag tabs onto the bookmarks bar (DNA-12485)” is not mentioned in change log for this version? I see the “DNA-12485” only in the change log for version 19.0.1324.0, but it’s marked, as feature available on Mac only.

I know that you’ve disabled users allowing their own custom search engines to be set as default, you’ve provided good reasons for that. But what about allowing a “power user” advanced option, allowing users to set their own search engines as the default, given they will be more likely to be able to correctly handle the issue?

DNA-14059 is killing it.. it is since O12 and nobody notices.. fix it or else you will never be able to equalize opera with firefox or chrome.. it is a basic bug that sometimes new tabs open via an anchor to a different site doesn’t load the extensions actually (unable access active extension memory from from prev. tab or simply unable to reload them) eg: adblock, abine donot track me, ABP, Poper blocker etc.. the new tab ends up showing ads, javascript popups ..

my previous comment disappeared, don’t know why -.-
anyway, I visited that link, clicked download button and it took me to another page (with playback and download, didn’t tested tho)
and all my extension was working (ghostery, adguard, violent monkey…)

Rinne Tensei

Ya thats the bug.. were all of the ads blocked.. did you get the count of blocked ads on adblock ?? now refresh the page and you’ll know what I’m speaking 🙂 The bug is that opera shows the extensions are active but they don’t actually load, they’re just icons on the context of that page..

update # adguard somehow blocks the ads but still it is not fully loaded as its not showing the count and add disconnect it will make the bud disappear but still both wont show the count.. it is well evaluated with ABP, ADblock

Vux777

I tried with ghostery and adguard enabled and disabled. This is what I get with:

enabled Ghostery & Adguard
(badge shows number of blocked ads, ghostery blocked social buttons…) and also after refreshing couple of times

oh god. I am so depressed with the way Opera went. I paniked a little after installing this version. Thank god I could reinstall 12.
Where is the Mail , Feed
Where is the customisable tab bar, where are all the configuration options. -_-

I see no way in transitioning to the new version. It wasnt enough that Opera Next went Chrome style.. now we dont have an Opera anymore

I’ve got Core2Duo 3 GHz, 3.2 GB RAM, Win7x86. The video plays rather smooth, except for sharp pauses where the authors intended to show how they worked with the scenes and rendering. However, Opera eats ~40-50% CPU during the playback, while IE takes only 10%. I’ve noticed the playback in Opera being that slow, and there have been some complaints from others before.

You can’t click or they don’t play? I’ve tried some out, they all play. So we need examples. And have a look what your Ghostery blocks. Or your Adblocker. Which one do you use and which lists?

Dark Magician

Can’t activate them (some of them, while others work).
Same thing happens on Discover page in Next.
Didn’t test Dev enough to know if it’s there also.
Ghostery and AdBlock active, but they have no effect on it.

Leonardo Gomes

I’ve tried a few ones and didn’t notice any problems.

Dark Magician

Like I’ve said, completely random. Now video which couldn’t be selected, now works.

I didn’t even restart Opera.

Tams80

Are there any plans for more tab management? I’m thinking tab stacking and tab groups, with each group having a tab (like Sleipnir 4). Having a separate page with visual tabs like IE9 would be useful as well. Visual tabs that can be resized like Opera 12 would also be welcome.

Is there any way that UI could be condensed a bit? Opera 12’s UI takes up a little less space, but it’s noticeable.

I’ll just throw in the obligatory want for proper bookmarks as well.

As it is, I can’t use this new Opera as an everyday browser, even though I do like it. it lacks far too many features.

Leonardo Gomes

As said sometimes, they are working on tabs handling but there is nothing to be released to the public yet.

DD64

Are there any plans to do something about this: http://puu.sh/5nzy6 ?
Maybe as a power-user-feature.
Including the fact i cannot use my middle mouse button to open a new tab.

Eddard Stark

So, um this is kinda weird. Not sure if it has been discussed before…I was viewing Youtube vids in Opera Next (19) and was only being given 360p and default as choices.When I open the same vid in Chrome, I got the higher resolution options again (720p, 1080p etc) any idea why?

just a note
since MyOpera is shutting down,
there is new community,check it

alexvoda

I don’t even know why I still come here. All I see is updated chromium, minor fixes and people complaining in the comments about things Opera 12 did but these new versions don’t.
Maybe I just come here hoping to see some very improbable good news about open sourcing the Presto based Opera.

xoex

just these?? what are you doing there!? it’s just some drag and drop!

nsg18

Hi, are you planning to add proxy support within the browser, like the opera used to have? where one can set up proxy servers settings within the browser without having to add system wide?