What do you think about Islam?

May 17 2013:
I think that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who live peacefully and a few thousand who are violent, and these few get far too much attention in the press. I conclude that Muslims are generally peaceful people and would probably make good neighbors. I have never had a Muslim come to my door to try to convert me to Islam, and that is also good.

May 17 2013:
dears,let me tell you my point of view about Islam and God,as a Muslim:my God (Allah) is the one who is peace & wants peace,who is kind & wants kindness,who is good & wants goodness.he is a part of us,he is our spirit,he is our soul,No matter you`re a muslim or a christian.we are all brothers & sisters.THESE are the main ideas of every religion,aren`t they?Unfortunately, all of us are judging the book of "life and religion" by it`s cover.we need to learn these things from children,they have no idea about different religions But they have all these good things with them,they have their Only god with themselves!And how HAPPY they are!

May 18 2013:
Hi Teodor.
That is a big question; how long have you got? I am a mechanical engineer; I love to find out how things work.

If we look at the rock strata worldwide; we find many fossils in each strata. In order to become a fossil you need to be buried very quickly, or you rot or get eaten. So a strata with fossils by definitIon must be formed rapidly. Most of these strata are massive, even trans-continental, so they were laid rapidly over large areas. In addition, there are many places where large fossils; notably trees; run vertically through many strata.
Evolutionary scientists claim these strata were formed slowly over millions of years. If the strata had to be formed rapidly then, the only place for long periods of time is between the strata, (Polystrata trees etc notwithstanding). If a long time occurred between the strata, then it would be reasonable to expect soil, erosion, etc to be present, but normally the lines of demarcation between layers are nice, crisp, straight lines.

My bible, which you are probably familiar with, tells of a worldwide flood some few thousand years ago. I feel the evidence in the rocks supports this claim, rather than evolution.

Naturally there is more to it than this, but this is one of the easier to explain in a short essay.

May 18 2013:
Obviously children inherit many habits from their parents and, naturally, they are not bound to those habits as adults because we all have this strange thing called "choice." A spiritually mature individual should have embarked on some sort of exploration of faith before settling into any single faith.

I was born into a Catholic family, played with Judeo-Christianity, dabbled in mystic religions, fell in love with Tao, then settled into a very comfortable agnosticism. My parents had nothing to do with the final decision. They simply stood next to me before I embarked on my journey.

May 19 2013:
"You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound with your hands tied to defend it."

This statement is ridiculous. Almost every teenager rebels, sooner or later, mildly or wildly. Questioning what we are taught when young is as natural as breathing. We are not robots, doomed to believe and act upon whatever our parents put into us. Every adult is responsible for his/her beliefs and actions, regardless of what they are taught at any age.

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May 19 2013:
I think the muslims are a bit too touchy about religion as a whole. Questioning most of them, you will find a basic belief level akin to that of the christians. Practicing muslims are a rare breed, those who understand the principles on a philosophical level. Being ritually strong does not make a person intellectually closer to god.
Most are stuck in the ABC of it all and very few analyze it to fathom the greater good which can be achieved through its principles. Like the christian and judaic clergies, the clergy of islam has an unholy grip on the understanding of islam to such a level that questioning matters is thought of as blasphemy, which is ironic, because it is this questioning which enriches and invigorates the hearts and minds of people.
I myself am a strong muslim, but i do not hold a grudge against other beliefs, neither do i criticize other religions. As far as Islam is concerned, its misinterpretations and misrepresentations by idiotic mullahs and mutawwahs have caused great harm to its spirit, regardless of sects and divisions.
I think constructive criticism is necessary for the growth of any idea and thought.

May 18 2013:
When I was young I explored many religions; but, I found Islam to be impenetrable because the Quran, within it's first pages, states that it can not be questioned and I'm full of doubt. That said, I think many people find just solace in Islam. Like any religion, it can be a dangerous dogma, a shallow facade or a tool for self-realization. On the whole, it's no less evil than Judeo-Christian faiths, with an equal potential for great good and terrible evil.

As an agnostic, my hope for people of all faiths is that they do the good that their faiths profess. It is much more essential that we all get on with intelligent, sustainable cohabitation than it is for any one group of us to prove their beliefs to be more powerful or important than any others.

Typical American prejudice against Islam tends to be the hallmark or "conservative", right-wing people who have limited imagination and compassion. Surely, the same could be said of Islamic people who curry hatred for America as a whole.

May 18 2013:
I think Islam should stand up to bullies and dictators. Real Islam is just. Good muslims stand up to terrorism. True Islam is about giving, compassion and love. Not one of terror and suicide. I wish more muslims stand up against violence.

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May 22 2013:
Craig Aaen-Stockdale (2012). "Neuroscience for the Soul". The Psychologist 25 (7): 520–523. "the magnetic fields generated by the God helmet are far too weak to penetrate the cranium and influence neurons within. Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) uses field strengths of around 1.5 tesla in order to induce currents strong enough to depolarise neurons through the skull and cause them to fire. Persinger’s apparatus, on the other hand has a strength ... 5000 times weaker than a typical fridge magnet. Granqvist argues that there is simply no way that this apparatus is having any meaningful effect on the brain, and I’m inclined to agree."
^ a b Craig Aaen-Stockdale (2012). "Neuroscience for the Soul". The Psychologist 25 (7): 520–523. "Persinger’s theory is based on the literature on religiosity in temporal lobe epileptics ... a literature that I argue above is both flawed and outdated."

In fact, the is no way the fields couldn't reach the brain. The link above goes to a review with linked references that show that many researchers have used weak magnetic fields to influence the brain. " ...the mistaken claim that the fields were too weak to affect the brain. In fact, magnetic fields do pass into and through the brain. They aren't affected by the scalp or skull, because there is no such thing as a magnetic insulator. Nothing can block a magnetic field, including the human head. It's a law of physics."

I don't know where the author of the 2012 article got their information, but the laws of physics are pretty stubborn.

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May 17 2013:
Excellent question, Z. I'm asking myself if I were a Christian and there were Christian terrorists, what would I do? I might be scared to denounce them, like they'll come after me. I might feel law enforcement is already working on them. I might feel like they are not Christian even though they call themselves Christians. I might feel like the thing to do is to emphasize the positive values of Christianity, rather than focusing on talking about the aberrations.

May 16 2013:
Hi Yahid,
The Old & New Testament quite clearly identify Jesus Christ as God, the Creator of the Universe. As I understand Islam, it venerates Jesus as a prophet who was the forerunner of Mohammed. I also understand that Islam accepts the Bible as a book from God. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
How can you square the circle, the Bible says He's God; you accept the Bible, but say He's a prophet.
I agree with Edward below. Salvation comes through Jesus only. All bible based cults demote Jesus from His Divinty in one way or another. Even Jehovah's Wittnesses do this, very subtly, but they do.
I believe the Bible is the Word of God, it warns us against additions or subtractions; that's good enough for me. Islam is an addition, & I much prefer the unadulterated version.

May 17 2013:
Rather than being worried about who is "right" Peter, we are HERE....NOW.....all of us....together on this earth. How might it feel to stop trying to convince each other of who is "right" and who is "wrong" regarding beliefs?
My own personal experience, is that it feels really good to NOT try to control others and their/our beliefs:>)

May 18 2013:
Hi Colleen,
Hope I'm not trying to control anybody. I just think there's a storm coming & it would be remis of me not to warn folks. What they do with the info is up to them.
How on earth could I control folks on TED?

May 19 2013:
When I first learned these things I was dabbling in the Bahai faith, which shares similar ideals. Consequently, I found it quite ironic that Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Christians and Islamic people, who all have a similar starting point are so vehemently contentious over who "wrote the best version of the same book."

May 19 2013:
They've got it "wrong" Peter? It also appears that you are saying Islam is a "cult"...and...." Islam is an addition", and not the correct "version"? The correct "version" of the story about a god Peter?

This is what you wrote at the start of this thread...

"Peter Law
3 days ago: Hi Yahid,
The Old & New Testament quite clearly identify Jesus Christ as God, the Creator of the Universe.....As I understand Islam, it venerates Jesus as a prophet who was the forerunner of Mohammed. I also understand that Islam accepts the Bible as a book from God.... Bible says He's God; you accept the Bible, but say He's a prophet......Salvation comes through Jesus only. All bible based cults demote Jesus from His Divinty in one way or another..... I believe the Bible is the Word of God, it warns us against additions or subtractions; that's good enough for me. Islam is an addition, & I much prefer the unadulterated version".

You tell us a lot about your personal beliefs Peter, and also state that "all bible based cults demote Jesus"..."Islam is an addition, & I much prefer the unadulterated version".

You think/feel that Islam is a "cult"? You think/feel that Islam is "an addition", and not the correct "version"?

I'm not supporting any religious belief Peter, it just seems like no matter what the topic quesion is, YOUR religion is the best...YOUR religion is the one and only....YOUR religion is the ONLY thing you talk about, and the topic question is ..."What do you think about Islam?"

Why is it so important to you Peter, that everyone believe the same things that you believe?

May 20 2013:
Dear Colleen,
Would you honestly expect me to follow any religion other than The Best. Of course I stick up for my viewpoint, & I expect you to champion your's.
I would describe my belief as a personal relationship with my Creator. I am not keen on 'religion',but I understand your difficulty with the distinction. I also understand your view, as you have previously shared your unfortunate experiences with the church.
I believe we are eternal spiritual creatures; our bodies are a disposable shell. This (body) life is just s short precursor to the main event. This is where we get to chose our eternal destiny; I respectfully submit that this is an important subject to be aired.
It may cheer you to know that my belief motivates me to engage in activities in the 'here & now' which I know you would heartily approve of. I cannot share due to their interpersonal nature, but rest assured I share your concern for this life as well. (Gosh, that had nouwt to do with Islam.)

May 20 2013:
I do not "expect" anything of you Peter, the religion you have chosen may be the "best" for you, and there are other religions which may be the best choices for other people. I do not have "difficulty with the distinction" you mention.

I am aware of your beliefs Peter, and this topic is not about your beliefs. You are right Peter, your post has nothing to do with Islam......again:>)

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John 14 v 9
"Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

Hebrews 1:2-3 NIV
[2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. [3] The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

May 19 2013:
Hi Edwin,
Yes, we can be humans without religion.....in my humble perception:>)

I perceive everyone as brothers and sisters living under the same sun, and I do not practice a religion, although I accept all beliefs and practices if they do not adversly impact other people.

I cannot think of one good thing that the differences of religion has created for humans. What is your thought on that? I know that religion is a valuable life guide for many people, and it can also be very destructive.

I was baptized as am Armenian Apostolic Christian. my great-grandfather was a priest. my brother is into church (I guess he wants to be a priest)... I lost my interest in religion when I understood that Love give pleasure to all and hurts all too.

Shakespeare was right:
Shylock:
I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes?
Hath not a Jew hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions?
Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is?
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge.
If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge.
The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

I do not think that religion create any good thing between humans.

I respect all religion, separately they all stand for peace and love but they never get along with each other. because no one know who is right or wrong.

I have a belief too, I believe we are guided by some power, and that power can only come within.

I agree..."I do not think that religion creates any good thing between humans".....apparently we agree on that!

I respect all religions if the beliefs and practices do not adversly impact other people....apparently we agree on that:>)

The part about not getting along because some folks are trying to prove who is "right" and who is "wrong"....agree!

I also have a belief, and it does not involve or require a religion or a god.

I agree with the Shakespeare quote, except for the part about revenge. You know Edwin, religious people sometimes preach and teach about love (acceptance, kindness, compassion, empathy, etc.) and when it comes right down to it, I do not see most of those who call themselves good religious people walking their talk!

That part , to me, is what is really important. One can talk, preach, and quote the holy books all s/he wants, usually quote those parts which support their argument, and the heck with the rest!

Appriciate your perspective Edwin:>)

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I agree with what you say. and i will repeat that we are guided by some power.
to reveal whatever you think there is to be revealed, is that sometimes I follow my guts feeling, but I have no idea where they come from. in either way, I wouldnt spent time looking in the sky or kneeing and kissing something called sainted ... and hoping that all will be fine or some goodies will fall from sky.

I seek or possibilities to achieve anything that is needed. ex: Health.... health doesnt come from sky not from church, but from my own approach to healthy eating and physical activities that keeps me fit. if I am ill. no one can heal me, no faith healing or yoga or priest or God, but me...

I do not deny the existence of Jesus / Mohamed / Buddha / etc ... I believe they have walked on earth, If we deny them today, maybe in 2000 years some generation will deny the existence of Gandhi and Hitler...

I love humans, every single ones, I see them as my brother and sister (while other may see me as an enemy) and yet I respect their views.
what is the difference between you and an Iranian or a Chinese or even me... we have the same organs that have the same needs.

you may share your thoughts, and I will read them with pleasure, and in the end of the day, I will add, "I am human just like you."

Not what is portrayed in western media but of course in saying this Eastern media is very much the same in portraying westerners in a negative way as well. No I didn't study Islam nor did I study Christianity but I am a believer in one creative consciousness, God if you like.

I created this other thread as a DEBATE thread. So the DEBATE that is developing here might well be more appropriate there, but each one will have to decide for themselves. I am quite serious about what I say there. And i think quite strongly that Mr. Long and Mr. Style and Mr Pinter will generally agree with my take upon this serious issue.

I guess if I just want the scholarly details -- I can read up on Wikipedia. But I would hope to hear from some true adherents of the Faith. And, come to think of it -- that probably won't happen over there, but here. The questions I ask over there is too complex. That question is properly answered by a Scholar of the Islamic Faith. And even that I speak of Islam as a "faith" is probably offensive to those who follow that practice. I don't know where i learned it, but I know that Islam sets itself apart from all other faiths. My prediction is that, because I mention 9/11 -- many Western people from the U.S.; U.K. and others will post there. Or at least a few. As to Islam, and the followers who are the faithful ones; I do hope to hear from them. And if I hear from them at all, it will probably be HERE. Not there.

May 16 2013:
*so do some of YOU (the non-muslims) blow thing up.
*so do YOU (the non-muslims) prison women (cleveland case, and that poor girl in Austria, girl in germany whose father raped her and then raped the child...)
*so do YOU (the non-muslims) beat innocent peoples all over the world. Your 'freedom fighters' rape 10 year old imprisoned girls in Iraq
*Our Girls do go to school and HAVE courage to take a bullet for it (Malala)

You see you are a perfect example of a person who is blinded by hate and thus shall you remain! (*so sad*)

May 16 2013:
i form no group with "non-muslims". i do not blow up things, and don't support such activities. i do not imprison anyone, but if i do, only violent criminals. i do not beat anyone up, and never did, and condemn it. i am not the one that attempted to murder malala, but guess who did. but i'm curious what do you mean by

" blinded by hate and thus shall you remain!"

your wish is that i remain ignorant? why? how does that benefit anyone?

May 17 2013:
to make it stop. some people quit their religion, and seeing the other perspective can be a factor in that. btw i'm not a diehard advocate of abandoning all religious beliefs. i'm with sam harris on that: abandon crazy behavior. religion is not an excuse for crazy / evil / irrational behavior. so as long as you don't do evil things, i don't care what do you believe. thus my original post: stop doing these things, and we are OK.

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May 17 2013:
Hello Adesh,
This is a response to your comment...
"My question is to one and all
Did anybody give you knowledge of all the religions and than gave you the choice to choose any one of them?
NO
You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it".

I was born into a catholic family, and practiced that religion for 19 years....as long as I lived with my parents...even though I questioned many of the teachings from the time I was a child.

I abandoned that religion and did not practice any religion for 20 years. Then I started to explore, study, research and practice many different religious and philosophical beliefs, including studying and practicing sufism. I even revisited catholicism by studing it, not ever practicing it again. I do not choose to practice any religion at this time.

As a child, we may not have choices regarding our beliefs, and I believe that as adults, we DO have choices and the opportunity to explore our beliefs and practices. I think, based on my experience, and many I interact with, it may be more common than you think:>)

May 17 2013:
In India > 99% follow religion of parents. Though we may not accept every thing in our religion but i was allowed to do and think as i like. So i never felt the need to align with any faith. Among friends and family religion is usually not a topic of discussion, we donot give much importance to it.

I would be interested to know conversion rate in your part of the world

If you were allowed to think as you like, why did you write...
"You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it".

We don't talk a lot about it in my life experience, but occasionally some of us have philosophical discussions with the intent to learn, and I have lots of friends who practice different religious and philosophical beliefs, which we all accept. TED was my first experience of so many confrontational discussions about god and religion!

May 17 2013:
Colleen! Its been a while! I love this new picture. lovely smile. What is your view on religion generally? And what is your take on my submission that the God of the bible calls for a relationship and not necessarily 'religion'?

May 17 2013:
That's a revelation to me. and you may be surprised to learn that most here follow thier parent's religion

"You basically inherited religion from your parents. Now you are bound to defend it". I say this because it's very relevant in this part of the world. Because most of people here inherit parent's religion and some become intolerant to other's views and defend it sometimes aggressively. This may be the genesis of violence in the name of religion.

May 17 2013:
It is a revelation to me too Adesh. Although I am aware that lots of people are changing or abandoning religious beliefs, I would not have guessed half!

I'm not surprised about most people there following their parents religion....I think I've heard that. It is too bad that people EVERYWHERE cannot be more tolerant of each other. We could take it one step further, and say it would be good if people accept other people for who and what they are, IF their beliefs and practices do not adversly impact other people:>)

May 17 2013:
Dear Feyisayo,
It has indeed been a while, and thank you for the compliment. The photo was taken while biking with my "play group" on a beautiful day.....sun, fresh air, exercise with my buddies, and I felt very content:>)

Now for your questions:>)
My view on religion in general, at this point, comes from many years of living a religious belief because I was born into it, and as an adult, studying, researching and practicing various religious and philosophical beliefs for about 20 years.

In my perception, most religions start off with some very good concepts....love thy neighbor...do unto others...we are all one.....etc. At some point, however, these very basic concepts seem to get buried in dogma that is not very valuable to the people it is supposed to serve. I witness a lot of contradiction and hypocrisy. Killing people in the name of a god one says is unconditionally loving is a good example of this. Another example, is telling people they are going to be sent to hell by an unconditionally loving god!

"God of the bible calls for a relationship and not necessarily 'religion'?"
We KNOW Feyisayo that there are lots of different interpretations of the words in the bible, and if you choose to believe that statement, it's ok with me. I support and encourage ANY belief that serves as a life guide to someone WHEN/IF that belief DOES NOT ADVERSLY IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE.

May 17 2013:
You may well be consistent in the safety of this hypothetical situation, but let's really try hard to grasp this kind of reality for a moment: Are you saying that your response would not be even remotely visceral when you find out that the city you love, your family and friends are in danger of being destroyed by foreign invaders?

In the face of such invasion, and in the heat of the moment, is it enough to stand there saying: "please don't blow up things"? Do you think the invaders would actually listen to you, if what they are after has unimaginable economic value to their culture?

What I'm trying to do is to get you to discuss the notion that blowing things up cannot be confined exclusively to Islam.

I put to you that Christianity, and economic ideologies in the name of Christianity, are just as much to blame for world atrocities - if not more so.

The roots of Christianity and Islam, and their proponents, are much more peaceful than their modern, media portrayed equivalents. Those modern equivalents seem to me to be too steeped in politics and economics for them to be regarded any more as legitimate religions. Both are as bad as each other in that respect.

The upshot is that oil is not a God-given right for Western consumption, if it is at all costs. Neither are fundamentalist reactions towards such greed. Which came first, do you think?

I ask you somewhat bluntly, do you think Islam would be a peace-loving religion if it wasn't for oil?

May 17 2013:
no, i would say "please don't molest children and don't cover up such crimes. do not support dictators and war criminals for money, do not kill, threaten or beat up abortion clinic employees, and do not deny facts and support pseudosciences"

May 16 2013:
One line separates all 7-billion people on Earth. Everyone is on one side or the other of this line/question: "Do you believe Jesus Christ is God?" Eternal life, or annihilation, is in the balance. Islam very clearly takes-up a position on the "NO" side of the line as stated in the Koran: QUOTE: " Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers,3 there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72). What I think of Islam is that it illustrates the precise accuracy of the Holy Bible. Please read the account of Abraham's relationship with Sarah and with Hagar, from one came Isaac, from the other Ishmael, from one came Christianity, from the other came Islam. [Read Genesis chapter 16, verses 3 through 12, and chapter 25, verses 12 through 18]. Thank you for your question Mr. Zadeh.

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May 16 2013:
Agreed. My belief, which I consider justified and true, is that only by ignoring the Christian Gospel call to embrace Jesus Christ as your Creator, Sustainer, and Life Giver can a person forfeit Eternal Life. Or, to put it positively, only by obeying can a person gain Eternal Life. Thus Jesus Christ is the 'One Line'. I know too that you are correct. For every one who agrees with me there are hundreds who disagree. But it is what I believe about Islam. I hope you see the verses were, and continue to be, accurate in their description of Mankind's affairs throughout Time.

May 17 2013:
Again, agreed. I do not have a copyright on the "one Line" illustration. There will be argument about whether there are any lines at all, and if such a line exists why can't there be more than one, etc. etc. ad infinitum. Islam says believers in Jesus Christ as LORD are doomed to Hell. That is the exact opposite of what I embrace as justified true belief. Since the question asks what I think of Islam I chose to point out my view of the line. The Koran draws one line just as you say. As for the Trinity, it is a word used to speak of the correct, necessary, and inspired doctrine which teaches that God exists in three persons. Have a peaceful time reading these passages from the King James Bible with your question in mind: Genesis 1:26 and 11:7; Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1 and 63:9, 10; Psalm 33:6 and 104:30; Matthew 28:19; Mark 1:10,11; John 14:26 and 15:26; Acts 2:32,33; Hebrews 9:14; I Peter 1:2; I John 4:13. The word "Trinity"? No. The doctrine of the Trinity? Yes! This will probably get deleted for being off-topic, so I am saying the doctrine of the Trinity figures largely in the question of what one thinks of Islam. Happy reading and remember to look for three distinct beings in these verses.

May 17 2013:
RE: "Yes, I've read all. . ." I hope you agree that time spent reading the Holy Bible is always well-spent. The Holy Bible is the book of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Quran is the book of the god of Abraham, Ishmael, and Muhammad. This is a fundamental distinctive about Islam setting it in opposition to Christianity. So, contrary to your comment to Mr. Fahim (above), there are profound differences between the Holy Bible and the Quran. Islam denies the deity of Jesus Christ and of the Holy Spirit on the basis of there being only one god, so how can Jesus Christ be God, and the Holy Spirit be God, if God the Father is God? That requires three gods say the Moslems (and apparently you too). I will gladly dialog more about this but we should do it via email. You can contact me via my profile page if you wish. Also, regarding your comment to Mr. Law about there being nothing in the Holy Bible declaring Jesus Christ to be the Creator of the Universe, see Colossians 1:14-19 for starters. Peace to you and success in your search for Truth.

May 17 2013:
RE: "You misunderstood. . . " My sincerest apology. I looked at the combination of letters T-O-R-A-H and recognized the word "Koran". Only your compassionate forgiveness can erase my error for I am without excuse because I have exhausted my allotment of age related excuses for the month. :-D