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Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

And let's add homegrown terrorists patriots to the mix.

LAS VEGAS — A married couple who fatally shot three people here Sunday — including two police officers — before killing themselves spoke incessantly about overthrowing the government and had ties to the anti-government Patriot movement, neighbors said Monday.

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

The shooters bragged about spending time on Cliven Bundy's ranch (protesting on his behalf), bragged about their extensive arsenal of weapons, and hated all things government.

Originally Posted by Ninja108

This is getting more coverage because of the connection to Cliven Bundy, the fact two police officers were killed and that one of the shooters was female, very rare to see that.

Yeah, it is very unusual to have a female shooter.

This reminds me a little bit of Brenda Ann Spencer. She, also, expressed a hatred of police. On 29 January 1979, at age 16, she killed two people, wounded a police officer in the neck, and injured 8 children by shooting at an elementary school across the street from her house. Her father had given her the gun for Christmas.

She had asked for a radio.

"I asked for a radio and he bought me a gun." When asked why he might have done that, she answered, "I felt like he wanted me to kill myself."

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

The guy killed at the Wal-mart had a concealed weapon and went up to confront the murderous couple with a fire fight but before he could draw was burned down. He wasn't as quick on the draw and as safe as the big concealed self protecting gun made him fell laying in his blood at the wal-mart.
Oppps,

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer

The guy killed at the Wal-mart had a concealed weapon and went up to confront the murderous couple with a fire fight but before he could draw was burned down. He wasn't as quick on the draw and as safe as the big concealed self protecting gun made him fell laying in his blood at the wal-mart.
Oppps,

3 armed people (2 pro trained cops) murdered by other armed people.

Fucking tea party right wing militia whack-offs.

From what I'm gathering, he didn't draw his gun right away but tried to talk to them, likely seeking to defuse the situation. I suspect he did not know that they had just killed two policemen across the street and hoped to avoid bloodshed.

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

Originally Posted by Stardreamer

From what I'm gathering, he didn't draw his gun right away but tried to talk to them, likely seeking to defuse the situation. I suspect he did not know that they had just killed two policemen across the street and hoped to avoid bloodshed.

No, Joseph Wilcox did not merely try "to talk to them." He drew his weapon on Jerad Miller, not realizing that Amanda Miller was with Jerad and was also armed. Amanda Miller shot Joseph Wilcox dead as he brandished his weapon in front of Jerad.

"He [Wilcox] was carrying a concealed weapon, and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller," McMahill told reporters.

He continued: "As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed."

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

Originally Posted by T-Rexx

No, Joseph Wilcox did not merely try "to talk to them." He drew his weapon on Jerad Miller, not realizing that Amanda Miller was with Jerad and was also armed. Amanda Miller shot Joseph Wilcox dead as he brandished his weapon in front of Jerad.

The most likely consequence, if any, of carrying a firearm is that you (or one of your loved ones) will die.

Joseph Wilcox died because he thought himself powerful because he had a gun. If Wilcox had not felt it important to carry around such a dangerous applicance, he would still be alive today.

Clearly the news reporting is all over the place on this since the reports I saw this afternoon said he tried to talk to the husband before drawing his weapon. In any case, having two shooters in these types of situations and one of them being a woman too is unusual. If she had not been there he may have been able to stop the situation, we may never know. For all we know his intervention by distracting the killers may have prevented some other innocent from being harmed.

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

Re: Nevada Shooting: The Spin Continues

Clearly the news reporting is all over the place on this since the reports I saw this afternoon said he tried to talk to the husband before drawing his weapon.

Every report that I have seen says that Amanda Miller only drew her weapon after Joseph Wilcox threatened her husband with his weapon.

Originally Posted by Stardreamer

In any case, having two shooters in these types of situations and one of them being a woman too is unusual. If she had not been there he may have been able to stop the situation, we may never know.

The point is, Wilcox did not understand the situation he was entering.

When it comes to crime, nobody ever does. Crime scenes are confusing, complex, changing situations where it is often impossible to identify perpetrator and victim, and where frequently the victims are also perpetrators, and vice-versa.

That's why civilians carrying guns cannot be a deterent to crime.

Originally Posted by Stardreamer

For all we know his intervention by distracting the killers may have prevented some other innocent from being harmed.

We know Joe Wilcox added to the casualties by one. That's it.

I don't doubt that Wilcox was trying to do good. But he was an idiot for carrying a gun into Walmart in the first place. Do you really need a gun to buy underwear?