We've been discussing this in another thread. I'd love to have a garg thrower... but I'm confused as a tick on a water snake.

Pub 66 patch notes said....

Throwing Changes

* Close Quarters Combat: A player’s dexterity and throwing skill equal to Grandmaster or higher can compensate for the hit chance penalty. Close quarters combat with a throwing weapon will no longer require you to have the swordsmanship skill to negate hit chance penalty.
* Shield Penalties: Player’s with no skill points in the Parry Skill will now have a minimum chance to hit.

Does that mean NO shield and NO parry = minimum chance to hit?

I stoned my parry skill, took off my shield and put it on.. it made no difference. I couldn't hit a mongbat to save my life.

I would swap resist for parry.. but If you can't hit the broad side of a barn.. why bother? If you can't even use a 2 handed weapon in order to use parry.. why bother? So you have to use parry AND carry a shield.. and hope you are within the right amount of tiles..

We've been discussing this in another thread. I'd love to have a garg thrower... but I'm confused as a tick on a water snake.

Pub 66 patch notes said....

Throwing Changes

* Close Quarters Combat: A player’s dexterity and throwing skill equal to Grandmaster or higher can compensate for the hit chance penalty. Close quarters combat with a throwing weapon will no longer require you to have the swordsmanship skill to negate hit chance penalty. * Shield Penalties: Player’s with no skill points in the Parry Skill will now have a minimum chance to hit.

Does that mean NO shield and NO parry = minimum chance to hit?

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Um, pretty sure they didn't mean that at all. It'd be a really roundabout way of saying that and doesn't make any sense either.

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If they ever fix the first throw bug, throwing can out damage just about any other weapon skill. A Soul Glaive has the ability to run neck & neck with the ornate axe for damage. Sure its really hard to get the Soul Glaive to 1.25 swing speed, but it should be possable.

If they ever fix the first throw bug, throwing can out damage just about any other weapon skill. A Soul Glaive has the ability to run neck & neck with the ornate axe for damage. Sure its really hard to get the Soul Glaive to 1.25 swing speed, but it should be possable.

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Hm, Soul Glaive is a 4s weapon. 180 stamina and 60 SSI is still 1.5 seconds, which is lower damage over time than the ornate axe.

However, with certain enemies and Armor Ignore, the Soul Glaive far exceeds any other weapon's Damage per Second.

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There is no doubt at all, throwing has potential.

But lets get back to reality, at this moment in time Throwing has as much use as Camping.

Throwing has been around since September last year......will it be the full 12 months before it work?

After playing UO for 10+ years im used to the bugs, let downs and the "fixes". But seriously to launch an expansion which a skill forms a major part and for it still not to work after 10 months is just poor.

10 months on there is still so many unanswered questions because it isnt fixed, noone knows the answers: -

- Can you parry with throwing?
- Can you use bushido?
- Can you use evasion?
- Do you still need to be a set distance away?

Then people wander why so few people play gargs

And whilst i'm on it.....why did they link healing stones to a pot timer??? whats the point???? isnt it just better to use pots with ep????

There is no doubt at all, throwing has potential.
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Someone have an idea please!!

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I'm not going to argue with you about whether Throwing works or not, and if so, to what degree, and whether that degree is good enough to justify the costs and general annoyance of the problems.

However, I will mention that generally the best templates are generally made up of several things which had generally been considered worthless.

Example? Until about ML, no one thought hand-to-hand combat fighters were any good. Mages, Tamers, and Archers dominated.
Then eventually people realized vampire form leeches were incredibly powerful.
So, fighters hadn't been bad, but rather people didn't know how to use them correctly. Vampiric Embrace has worked the same way since AoS.

GovernorStratics VeteranAlumniStratics Legend

1) Can you parry with throwing?
2)Can you use bushido?
3)Can you use evasion?
4) Do you still need to be a set distance away?

1) You can parry with a Shield in your hand. Bushido/Parry combo doese not allow you to parry with a weapon, nor can you parry with a shield(have to go to tc to confirms this).
2 & 3) You can use certian Bushido moves: all samuria attack moves work, you can use confidence- Evasion doese not work - don`t know about Counter Attack.
4) I believe the sweet spot still exist for maxium benefit. What was removed was the close combat Hit Penality that required Swordsmanship to counter it.

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1) Can you parry with throwing?
2)Can you use bushido?
3)Can you use evasion?
4) Do you still need to be a set distance away?

1) You can parry with a Shield in your hand. Bushido/Parry combo doese not allow you to parry with a weapon, nor can you parry with a shield(have to go to tc to confirms this).
2 & 3) You can use certian Bushido moves: all samuria attack moves work, you can use confidence- Evasion doese not work - don`t know about Counter Attack.
4) I believe the sweet spot still exist for maxium benefit. What was removed was the close combat Hit Penality that required Swordsmanship to counter it.

1) Can you parry with throwing?
2)Can you use bushido?
3)Can you use evasion?
4) Do you still need to be a set distance away?

1) You can parry with a Shield in your hand. Bushido/Parry combo doese not allow you to parry with a weapon, nor can you parry with a shield(have to go to tc to confirms this).
2 & 3) You can use certian Bushido moves: all samuria attack moves work, you can use confidence- Evasion doese not work - don`t know about Counter Attack.
4) I believe the sweet spot still exist for maxium benefit. What was removed was the close combat Hit Penality that required Swordsmanship to counter it.

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ok wait confused by this...

u CAN parry with a shield if you DO NOT have bushido?
u CAN NOT parry with a weapon if you have bush/parry?
U CAN NOT parry with a shield if you have bush/parry?
u CAN NOT use all the Bushido spells?

I know you can't hit a thing if you DO NOT have parry
I know you can't use UBWS on any 2 handed weps (to parry)
So you CAN"T use BUSHIDO on a thrower?

GovernorStratics VeteranAlumniStratics Legend

u CAN parry with a shield if you DO NOT have bushido? Yes
u CAN NOT parry with a weapon if you have bush/parry? Correct
U CAN NOT parry with a shield if you have bush/parry? I believe this is correct
u CAN NOT use all the Bushido spells? Correct

I know you can't hit a thing if you DO NOT have parry
I know you can't use UBWS on any 2 handed weps (to parry)
So you CAN"T use BUSHIDO on a thrower? You can use Bushido skills just nothing parry related.

And it's working as intended?

I believe it is working as intend, except not being able to parry with a shield when you have parry/bushido.

u CAN parry with a shield if you DO NOT have bushido? Yes
u CAN NOT parry with a weapon if you have bush/parry? Correct
U CAN NOT parry with a shield if you have bush/parry? I believe this is correct
u CAN NOT use all the Bushido spells? Correct

I know you can't hit a thing if you DO NOT have parry
I know you can't use UBWS on any 2 handed weps (to parry)
So you CAN"T use BUSHIDO on a thrower? You can use Bushido skills just nothing parry related.

And it's working as intended?

I believe it is working as intend, except not being able to parry with a shield when you have parry/bushido.

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Ugh.. ok thx. ... signed another disappointed customer (when it comes to throwing).

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u CAN parry with a shield if you DO NOT have bushido?
u CAN NOT parry with a weapon if you have bush/parry?
U CAN NOT parry with a shield if you have bush/parry?
u CAN NOT use all the Bushido spells?

I know you can't hit a thing if you DO NOT have parry
I know you can't use UBWS on any 2 handed weps (to parry)
So you CAN"T use BUSHIDO on a thrower?

And it's working as intended?

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Going by what's been written above..

Surely it's simple - a throwing weapon cannot be used to parry, a shield is needed. However a samurai cannot parry with a shield. therefore a samurai thrower cannot parry.
In the same respect, just like an archer, because they cannot parry evasion, counter attack and the stam regen part of confidence would not work surely?
This is the trade-off for using a ranged weapon with bushido.

I cannot believe that you need parry to be able to hit a target, i would expect that that is a misinterpretation.

"Shield Penalties: Player’s with no skill points in the Parry Skill will now have a minimum chance to hit."

Surly this simply means, if you carry a shield (just for stats/mods like HCI) and dont have parry, you recieve a negative effect.

i haven't got SA, but surely this would be **** easy to test out on TC... i think a few people are just getting confused and infecting the masses with missinformation...

We know bushi doesn't work with a shield.
All we need to ascertain is whether you can parry using a throwing weapon with bushido and parry at high levels.
If you can parry, the other parry-based bushi skills should work. simples.

So.. if you are a thrower.. and you WANT to use a shield for mods, you have to have parry. Bushido seems to work either with or without parry, but some spells are not going to work with throwing.. period *evasion*. There are no 2 handed throwing weapons, and you can not ubws. You can not parry with a throwing weapon. I want to use my shield for the mods, so I am going to run with parry. I would love to have other hit specials.. ie whirlwind.. but it's not going to happen on the 3 weapons available to the throwers. Perhaps in the future we might get more.

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180 stam to make the soul glaive 2.5 sec weap. do 30ssi on weap, 10 on breastplate, 5 on cape, 5 on ring. then ya get 1.25. but! if you can find a way to get to 55% ssi you only need 150stam. please fill me in on that.

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