FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.

Tuesday, August 16, 2005

Warren Jeffs Greatest Achievement

Warren Jeffs, self-proclaimed prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has reached a new plateau. This website contributer went to Google, put "Warren Jeffs" in the search slot and came up with over 50,000 entries! A quick study of the entries show that about 60% are related to his infamous self. Jeffs, an enigma to all but his closest associates has disappeared from view. His value has been reduced from millions to a mere $10,000.00 reward offered for information leading to his arrest.

What will happen next? Those he has excommunicated from his polygamistic sect desire for Jeffs to be brought to justice for crimes against children and the willful waste of collective dollars owned by the United Effort Plan, a pool of financial resources slated for the common good of the sect. Jeffs current whereabouts is unknown or kept strictly secret by his closest lieutenants.

Some of the stories are filtering through that he has grown a beard. . .http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm

ABOVE other posters commments.

IMO Warren Jeffs has made the big time of criminals, he's on the FBI's most wanted fugitive list, joining the likes of Osma bin Laden. Jeffs has grown a beard? WJ "armed & dangerous" Now WJ is getting more like Osma, BTW Osma bin Laden is also a polygamist, with only 3 wives, so Warren has him beat in that area.

Hope both WJ and Osma are both soon caught and put in jail. Just think, LE could put them in the same cell with Brian David Mitchell. Three bearded poligamists doing hard time together. ROFLMAO

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus sweetest name I know He was born in an obscure village. The son of a simple peasant woman, He grew up in another small town, And worked with his father in a carpenter shop until He was thirtyAnd then for three years he was what we might call a traveling preacher. He never wrote a book, He never held political officeThe places He did go He usually walked. He never did any of the things that one normally associates with greatnessHe had no credentials but himselfWhen He was only thirty-three years old. The tide of public opinion turned against HimSome of His friends deserted Him, one denied Him. One even betrayed Him and turned Him over to His enemies. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed to a cross between two thieves.While He was dying His executioners gambled for His only possession His robe, His purple robe. When He was dead he was taken from the cross. And laid in a borrowed grave, Provided for the compassion of friends. Almost twenty wide centuries have since come and gone, And today this man is the centerpiece of the human race, The leader in the column of mankind's problems. I think I am well with in the mark, That all the armies that ever marched,All the navies that ever sailed the seven seas,All the legislative bodies that ever met, All the kings and rulers that have ever rained, And all put together have not affected the life of man here on this earth As much as that one solitary life: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus Sweetest name I knowSweetest name I know I know

oh, the newest reason why Jeffs had to "examine" the boy in the bathroom with two other grown men?...are you ready for this? constipation...The poor boy was soo "backed up" that two men had to hold his arms and legs while the good uncle gave this boy an enema. I may be crazy, but isn't that chore reserved for the mother to help the kid out? maybe some prunes or bran muffins?

Maybe, Warren is hanging out with WCOTC and Matt Hale, hoping like Charles Manson for a race war! Lets look at the facts, its no secret I and others were looking for Warren in Wyoming! Matt Hale the White Sumpremist Hale's from Riverton Wyoming. Matt had a serious gathering in Leesburg Florida on August 4th 2001, with numerous supporters in that region.

Then today AP's story quotes an FBI flier placing Warren in Leesburg Florida, is it a coincidence? One has to wonder!

Several months ago a victim witness tells of a fringe group in Florida who was merging with a group in Tennessee who claimed to be under the Warren Jeffs umbrella. The Florida group though small was living a double life, claiming to be LDS in order to access the Mormon Temple in Orlando.

There is more, but the FBI needs to finish flushing the toilet. If Warren has ties to Matt Hale, he has flushed his righteous beliefs down the toilet, if WCOTC is hiding him, then "birds of a feather flock together".

Warren's legacy is still being written, authored by him of his own actions, go Warren!

Several of your readers have come to the conclusion that you reside outside the sphere of normal reality. You are totally unable to accept that FLDS congregations in the USA are subject to USA Law, just as is every other citizen.

Your conspiracy to attract others into your point of view is an act of treason. If you don't like the law here, there is no wall around the border to keep you from leaving. Come or go, that is your option.

The only problem is, who would be willing to take you in as an expatriot? Noboby wants you ots. The FLDS has obviously disassociated from you. Your family is probably wondering if you have become insane. Your country is your object of contention. You are plagued with delusions of grandeur, hopeful to become a force in the FLDS world of slavery, child abuse, with no regard for the laws of the nation, a contentious attitude when it is necessary to communicate with gentiles.

Grow up, get into the real world, and take on your responsabilty as a citizen. These are the facts, there is no hidden agenda, no face to save, no gotcha nothing else.

Nothing ots would do surprises me. I believe that in all probability that he is one of many voices who's sole purpose is to take control of any blog that is attempting to get at the truth. He is a truth blocker, or at least atempts to be. That he is a nusience is obvious.

Now, Blacky (MIB): You reach your own dark conclusions. Whydoya think yur called "MIB: Men In Black"? Yes, black as midnight in Hell. YOUR CONSPIRACY to belittle and do away with God's Word and the Constitution that He set up over this Land of Zion, IS TREASON. You obviously don't like the law, and help to create laws to do away with good law. Therefore, you do not have the choice of leaving or not leaving. Your die is cast:

And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity. For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or SHALL BE SWEPT OFF; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.

And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God--that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done. Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written. (Ether 2:9-12)

NOBODY WANT OTS? And they were strangers in a strange land, and had no honor in their own country, or among their own people, but they were the favorites of heaven. Yes, GRANDEUR, but no delusion.

"Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul." (I Pet. 2:1)

Jesus said, "Let not your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." (Jn 14:1)

Christianity Seeking Asylum: God's People Called to Live in a ...The prophets tell us that being 'in the world' is precisely that: having our being 'in' the world... "How can we sing the Lord's Song in a Strange Land?" ...jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/15360.htm - A Land of Strange Gods. "...We find an alchemical manuscript entitled A genuine...Thus it was that, from prophets whose identity was carefully concealed, ...www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/gnosis.html

Esau/Edom, and the Trail of the Serpent - I "Divide the land for an inheritance for yourselves, and the strangers that ... If the Israelites were "strangers" in the land of Egypt, much more are they ...www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb980909.htm

YOU SAY: "Grow up, get into the real world."

CHRIST SAYS: "When the world hates you, remember it hated me before it hated you. The world would love you if you belonged to it, but you don't. I chose you to come out of the world, and so it hates you. Do you remember what I told you? `A servant is not greater than the master.' Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you!"

Oh I hope so. If you are annoyed then you will begin to think for yourself and not fall for the drivel spooned out by mormon leadership. Stay from "priesthood meetings" for a month, without an excuse, or tell the leader you have doubts about his authority and see what happens. You have become robots within society.

So according to OTS if Christ was to return and get put in prison with Warren, everyone would want Warren released instead of Christ, just like they did in they days of Christ. The bible makes more sense, of why all the supposed saints would want some other criminal released from prison instead of Christ. The FLDS would have their "holey profit" released from prison and leave Christ to die.

Apples and oranges there. We are one. They were not. Jesus and Barnabus were opposites. Christ and his prophets are one, and ever will be. Ever hear of the 3-in-1? And there are five up the middle. Yet, they are one.

Bet there's not a one of you who can do a par-5 Holy-In-One with a three iron/

Like I said, what other people on the planet produce so much fruit within a family, in such unity of faith? Mt.7:21: “Wherefore, BY THEIR FRUITS ye shall know them.”

Parable of the sower(Mark 4:3-9): Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased and BROUGHT FORTH, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.

And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. (KJV)

Some 30, 60, 100. is the sower of THE WORD IN THE CHILDREN, and thus the number of faithful in the word within family kingdoms. Mark 4:14 The sower soweth the word. Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side... Luk 8:11. Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD of God...

Matt. 7:13- Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS.

Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. WHEREFORE BY THEIR FRUITS ye shall know them.

7:21- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU; depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Seeing is believing, and the believer inherits all things from the Father. But what does it mean to "see"? Many have eyes to see and see not.

Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied." Jesus replied, "Philip, don't you even yet know who I am, even after all the time I have been with you? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking to see him? Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of what you have seen me do." (Jn. 14:8)

And, if he did decide to show his face to me - I would not be arrogant enough to believe that the sight of him would give me all knowledge. 8/20/2005 7:29 PM

Yes, the very sight of Him. This is how great He is, but few there be that find it. He said it Himself: "All who come into the presence of the Lord shall inherit ALL THINGS".

Book of 1 Corinthians, Chapter 1, (KJV): 1:1: Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, ...every thing ye ARE ENRICHED BY HIM, in all utterance, and IN ALL KNOWLEDGE...www.cforc.com/kjv/1_Corinthians/1.html

Daily Bible KJV September 28 ScrollIn all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel OF HIS PRESENCE...Howbeit there is not in every man THAT KNOWLEDGE: for some with conscience ...www.kjvbibles.com/kjv/09/kjv0928t.htm

Why thank you: You complimenting me as AIRY and GENTRY, all in one sentence, is quite a feat. Or shall we say: Straight as an ARRO (as in Street-called Straight), and GANT, as in eleGANT, or running the GANT-let.

Yes ots, you have no burden to bear. You have to be able to know right from wrong and black from white to be able to distinguish that you are totally without burden, between your ears. The yoke's on you and you are absolutely correct when you state that it's light. You don't, by God's plan, have a lot to be burdened about.

So, was Jesus actually saying that His yoke is "Black"? To be without burden between the ears is the stilling of the waters my boy, you see? Chokhmah is the fire, and Binah is the water of the spirit. Do you understand?

It's all been gas, but gas is normal when you are on the street. It's just early and hard to tell the fog from the gas - but now, its just a little later, the fog has lifted and the hideous stinky ots emissions are still wafting about - it's definately gas.

ots your gas is so weak it doesn't have any btu. Without any btu the gas has no value. It won't even ignite, even if you use a blow-torch as the heat source. It is of such little value that if allowed to be the sole fuel used for powering up a "hot-air baloon" the baloon couldn't even be coaxed to leave it's packing case.

You fokes never cease to praise us. Thank You. I'm glad I pass your emissions test. That kinda stuff, you want to be so weak that it's actually sweet to your nostrils. Yet, by the blast of God's nostrils, the foundations of the world are uncovered, and He draws us out of many waters, and delivers us from our strong enemy (2 Sam. 22:16)

I can tell you this. You won't like it one bit. If a gas well is completed next to the YFZ, the fence is going to be cut, a gate put into place and a road built to the new drilling site. A caliche pad covering about two acres will appear at the site. Roustabout crews will come through and do various jobs prior to a drilling rig coming in. The drilling rig will work 24/7 and if the core samples hold promise casing will be set and completion of the well begun. If the well produces, the process will repeat until the land is drilled up. Operating company personnel will come into the ranch property usually daily to check on the wells.

YFZ does not have mineral rights. There is nothing that YFZ can do except require payment for any damage to the property. They better learn to bite the bullet because according to law they have no other recourse.

God protects the just. Is your colony just? Is the runniing scared leader just? are you just?

it might do you well to examine your lives. Are your possible deaths really necessary? Conditions of any land sale in Texas specify ownership of mineral rights. Buying a chunk of topsoil does not grant ownership under the surface of anything that is considered to have value as a mineral. Sure you quarry limestone and gravel, but that which is burried deep belongs to whoever owns the mineral rights. Your attorney, representing Allred, the UEP or YFZ knew the exclussion of minerals, if they didn't whose fault was that?

If there is a promise of oil or gas under the ranch, it will be drilled.

Who said the Prophet is "scared"? He might be on a tropical beach. Just don't know, do you? Who's possible death? The Lord says that when you reject anything that comes from God, the devil takes power. Then, your death is not just "possible." It is imminent!

"All the earth, and the fulness thereof, belong to the Lord," not some rancher or driller or government agent. You grossly err. Yes, they might did a hole, or a pit the size of Texas, and then what have they accomplished as Saints continue to be lifted up.

Warren probably is on a tropical beach, living out of a Swiss bank account. Leaving his loyal followers to fend for themselves. He snuck out while street was blowing all his smoke.

Everyone will die as the Lord has spoken: "Of dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return." Not one person on the earth is going to escape this. U. Roy did not in spite of all the prophesying, U. Rulon did not in spite of the prophesying, U. Fred did not in spite of the the prophecies. When a man thinks to thwart the designs of God by his own imaginings he will lose every time.

OTS, you are one brainwashed guy. I feel bad for you. You make no sense whatsover and you believe in someone that has abandoned you. Yet, you still don't see the "real" light. When your "Prophet" goes down, I will visit you in the mental ward.

Ahh, butt you also said, and this is your direct quote: "His love is all I have," as if to say: "

I am all love, I am the very love of God, I am love personified, I have no sin, there is nothing in me but that perfect love. I thank God that I am not a sinner like everyone else. I am God, perfect love. How so? Because, like you said Muggy: "His love is all I have."

Ahh, you have the very Grace at the top, do you? You belittle also the love in the center, by claiming it as being all in you, and no one else, while at the same time mocking God. Here is one of the many ways you do so, I believe ignorantly so (8/31/2005 9:24 AM)

"My fate is in the hands of a Righteous GOD... Only a demonic believes in fate.

You twist and mangle sentences that were easily understandable in their original form.

I used the word "fate" as something I find the world believing more and more. Look at the popularity of astrology. God condemed that practice at Babel.

Demonic behavior is demonstrated by those who "play with the fire of false worsip ie. idoltry, astrology, demonology, witchcraft."

All these and more are listed in Leviticus in Romans, and again in Revelation.

There is no mockery of God.

God is a spirit. Expressing a belief in fate is a work of Satan.

"By their works ye shall know them." Works can be good, an outpouring of love and compassion bedause of the Grace of God working in the individual. These works are performed out of love and not an attempt to justify oneself. Works can be bad. Attempts to stack up a pile to present at judgement time to God, who , by the common standare, to be impressed by the sheer volume presented in the judgement. I'd rather have the forgivness of Jesus.

Well, he'll have to do more damage if he wants to be well known. Right now he only has semi notoriety. If he's as egotistical as he seems (and I'm certain he is) - in order to be a household name on par with the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones - he's going to have to see to it that all of his followers are lovingly poisoned and shot (or incinerated).

It's not an end I want to see - but the only thing less likely than this situation ending badly (meaning his followers are dead) - is that it ends good (his followers are safe, and he is captured).

If only there weren't children involved, the men and women followed this man without question and did all of the insane things he asked them to, but they were adults. I just can't stand to see them do this to the children. He will forever brand himself when he takes them. No man, no matter how deluded people might initially be by his nature, can carry the death of children on his back and be linked with anything remotely good and righteous.

The FLDS only brings forth life, and they purify in favor of it. The world only brings forth death, and they legislate in favor of it. You see death all around you, and many lively children in the FLDS church.

Ahh, so now that's your excuse. Nice try. Yes, you sexualize it. Do I need to repost some of your sexual perversions from this blog? It seems to be an immoral rock band, and here is how SEXUALIZED IT IS. I don't care to go into some of their lyrics and antics.

From that website, it says: "With pop-punk taking a noticeable downturn recently in favour of the more VITRIOL VENTING ANTICS of the emo-core crowd it’s refreshing to see a band emerge in 2005 CLUTCHING a bag of good, honest melodic PUNK GEMS sans crybaby However, overshadowing all this there is enough startling originality and gloriously addictive choruses to more than make up for it and in turn make ‘Small Man Syndrome’ a FIRM FIXTURE in forthcoming summer BBQ playlists.

Pre-existing the drug crazed crowd of the 60's & 70's, I must be missing something here. The illusions, illistraions, inferances and language are all out of my range of experience. During those days I was involved in rather hard labor to provide necessities so that my family received the necessities of life.

atar_i, I trust your judgement can you advise me as to what the heck ots is addressing? His ramblings seem to me as incoherant.

Mission Accomplished. Christ also spoke incoherently. They all complained about his parables and sidestepping, because they were only worthy of stumbling blocks and incoherency, by choosing continuous denial of their crimes and the doctrines that would save them.

Gods of the Bible - Men are also called Saviors...which tells us the number of these "saviours" on mount Zion (Sion) will be 144000. Thus the Bible tells us that there are at least 144000 saviors...www.thenewagesite.com/jjdewey/gods/chapter9.php

Final Crisis - Unveiling the mystery of the 144,000 - A lot of... So who are the 144,000? They are part of a group who will become prophets and saviours like Moses and like Jesus through the indwelling Spirit... finalcrisis.org/b_lesson_031.html

Rev-10 GRACE AND PEACE FROM HIM... HE WHO IS, AND WAS, AND IS TO ...In Revelation 14:1-5 we find a company of 144000 standing with the Lamb upon ...He is the only Saviour, yet He is bringing a whole company of saviours up ...www.godfire.net/eby/rev-10.html

There are twelve chambers of light. Two are hidden. The FLDS comes from two, since Joseph has a double portion. The total is 144,000, which is the harvest of the earth from all the generations since Adam. That's 12,000 from each tribe, and a single reem from our own generation.

Seven days or ages of time, seven planes or dimensions of space, seven heavens or realms, seven trumps or triumphant signs, seven plagues or terminations, seven candlesticks or churches, and seven stars (paracletes).

From where did you get your training in metaphysics. A myth built upon an untruth, built upon a partial truth, a half-truth upon a grand lie and sold as Good News. Your fish hooks are dull, rusty and your nets are so full of holes your gather is nil.

The Joseph who received a double portion was Jacob's son, not Joseph Smith. Two half-tribes of Israel Ephraim and Manasseh were from Joseph, Jacob's son. If the name Joseph is of prime importance why wouldn't Joseph of Nazareth have a better claim than JS. Study your scriptures before you end up with hoof and mouth disease again.

Learn to start at the beginning, for that is where you have to start before you've ever got a start:

10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

See, those sacrifices are only archtypes of the sacrifices you must make AFTER the blood of the Lamb. I've already qualified that (statement on burnt offerings), by saying it is not a literal burning. It is allegorical and esoteric. Do you understand?

As for allegory and esoterics, Jesus Himself dwelt on those things, instead of the literal or earthly. He called them "parables".

The son of Jacob was given the double portion, and it "flowed over the wall or the barrier of the waters, the ocean, into "the Land of Joseph", the choisest land, America. And to this Joseph, son of Jacob, was prophesied another Joseph in this land who would be a choice prophet, "whose father shall also be called Joseph", as I more fully described in another post.

without desire to waste my time in any pursuit of your convoluted entry into speculation. I work for a living. Perhaps you do too- selling misguided logic in behalf of your larcenous profit. (intentional)

This thread will probably be off the blog within the next day or two. The quest was to find Warren Jeffs greatest achievement.

After consideration, since making this post, I think I shall attempt to answer my own question.

Warren Jeffs greatest achievement has to been to counterfeit himself as a person of some value to society. His efforts have been an abysmal failure. He has broken fellowship with his flock, he has STOLEN THEIR MONEY, he has found himself a fugative from justice, and of most importance, he betrayed the trust of a people far too good to have so willingly been brought to ruin. ACHIEVEMENT??? FAILURE.....

Or the ultimate heights of success, having concealed himself as God does, having the abysmal waters, which is mercy, having broken from the fellowship of the wicked inside and out, possessing what is rightfully his and given throught the acceptable offering, which is the joyful sacrifice, being a stranger in a strange land as ALL the prophets declared themselves to be, while he and his people are "FAR TOO GOOD" as you so beautifully described them. For there is none good but the Father, and those men are the fathers of their generation. Achievement Indeed, while the world fails on every side, and the Nephite Lamentation can still be heard.

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