DropEmJayBird wrote:So if Fehr stays as the players rep, when the next CBA negotiations come around will he need a "year or so" to learn about how the current deal is structured before starting negotiations?

He isn't staying as the player rep. Well Don isn't, he's going back into retirement. Pretty sure Steve is taking over.

DropEmJayBird wrote:So if Fehr stays as the players rep, when the next CBA negotiations come around will he need a "year or so" to learn about how the current deal is structured before starting negotiations?

He isn't staying as the player rep. Well Don isn't, he's going back into retirement. Pretty sure Steve is taking over.

Its astonishing to me how many people have missed that. Its been pretty well reported all along and yet people are clamoring for him to be fired. First of all, the Players want him back, he excelled in the position. Secondly, all along it has been known that he'd be done.

Idoit40fans wrote:Its astonishing to me how many people have missed that. Its been pretty well reported all along and yet people are clamoring for him to be fired. First of all, the Players want him back, he excelled in the position. Secondly, all along it has been known that he'd be done.

Some people don't care and don't pay attention to details in articles. Plus the same people who wanted Fehr are the same ones who think Bettman is trash as well. Given the fact this CBA was fair to both sides, I can see why the players would be pleased with his work.

I think that if this deal is viewed as relatively fair, it would do well to get rid of Bettman(I assume he's getting ready to retire anyway), and with Don gone, Steve and Daly both seem to be more moderate...though that may just be by virtue of their positions. I feel like this deal sets them up to be more cooperative moving forward, who knows though.

JeffDFD wrote:Just for laughs...everyone saw their taxes go up this 2013 at least 2% due to the medicare tax break expiring. On 11 million...that is $220,000. I also believe he would fall into the tax hikes for those making over 400,000 - haha. I don't know exactly how much in taxes he would pay here, but he may actually make more money in the KHL.

I know you said it was just for laughs, but just pointing out that the Social Security tax reverting back to being 2% higher only applies to the first $113,700 of earnings. So it'd only cost him an additional $2,274, not $220,000.

The tax free part has never been clear to me and I've always wondered what that meant. Is it truly tax free over there, or are they referring to the fact that Russia has a flat tax over there as opposed to a progressive one.

The KHL does have a hard salary cap of only $36.5 million this season, so I'm not sure how much they could actually dedicate to a single player, even one as talented as Kovalchuk. But I do know they have had cap exemptions for NHL players playing during the lockout, so I'm not sure how that all shakes out now that the lockout is over.

Idoit40fans wrote:I think that if this deal is viewed as relatively fair, it would do well to get rid of Bettman(I assume he's getting ready to retire anyway), and with Don gone, Steve and Daly both seem to be more moderate...though that may just be by virtue of their positions. I feel like this deal sets them up to be more cooperative moving forward, who knows though.

I think those two if they become heads of their jobs, they would become what their bosses want them to be. If the PA wanted Steve to take the owners to the brink he will. Same with Daly. Although I could be wrong and I wouldn't mind being wrong this time because I really don't want to go through with this again. Personally I don't mind the job Bettman has done and I hope to doesn't listen to the people who think he shouldn't present the SC this year.

JeffDFD wrote:Just for laughs...everyone saw their taxes go up this 2013 at least 2% due to the medicare tax break expiring. On 11 million...that is $220,000. I also believe he would fall into the tax hikes for those making over 400,000 - haha. I don't know exactly how much in taxes he would pay here, but he may actually make more money in the KHL.

The tax free part has never been clear to me and I've always wondered what that meant. Is it truly tax free over there, or are they referring to the fact that Russia has a flat tax over there as opposed to a progressive one.

This was never made totally clear to me either. I thought it was a flat tax and it was just misinterpreted in North America. But then I've heard instances where the team will cover the tax for the player...so it's hard to say exactly...

Then what to call him reading over the agreement and then making a decsion on his future? I don't see any other NHLers doing this.

i think these guys who puffed their chests during the lockout don't want to seem like insincere idiots, so they're going to pretend to be very measured in how they respond. but ultimately, there's no choice.

Then what to call him reading over the agreement and then making a decsion on his future? I don't see any other NHLers doing this.

i think these guys who puffed their chests during the lockout don't want to seem like insincere idiots, so they're going to pretend to be very measured in how they respond. but ultimately, there's no choice.

Unless he doesn't want to play for a loser... With Zach gone, and the way the new CBA is written, he is going to have a hard time asking for a trade? I am sure NJ wouldn't minf having him off the books if he decides to walk. He isn't worth the money they are paying him. I would thnk he can make good money in KHL.

Then what to call him reading over the agreement and then making a decsion on his future? I don't see any other NHLers doing this.

i think these guys who puffed their chests during the lockout don't want to seem like insincere idiots, so they're going to pretend to be very measured in how they respond. but ultimately, there's no choice.

Oh I agree. These guys are bound by their contracts to come back once the lockout ended and it has ended. Just suprised he's creating a fuss when no one else is that huffed and puffed their chests during the lockout (like Ovie for example).

Then what to call him reading over the agreement and then making a decsion on his future? I don't see any other NHLers doing this.

i think these guys who puffed their chests during the lockout don't want to seem like insincere idiots, so they're going to pretend to be very measured in how they respond. but ultimately, there's no choice.

I read a MacKenzie tweet yesterday. He said a returning North American NHLer said the KHL owners are throwing money at NHL players in an attempt to get them to stay. Maybe Kolvachoo's team is trying to make it worth his while to stay.

I guess the KHL owners think this is more important than Sochi...because if they undermine the NHL on this, I can't see Bettman letting players participate in 2014.

Then what to call him reading over the agreement and then making a decsion on his future? I don't see any other NHLers doing this.

i think these guys who puffed their chests during the lockout don't want to seem like insincere idiots, so they're going to pretend to be very measured in how they respond. but ultimately, there's no choice.

I read a MacKenzie tweet yesterday. He said a returning North American NHLer said the KHL owners are throwing money at NHL players in an attempt to get them to stay. Maybe Kolvachoo's team is trying to make it worth his while to stay.

I guess the KHL owners think this is more important than Sochi...because if they undermine the NHL on this, I can't see Bettman letting players participate in 2014.

If the KHL wants to disrupt the NHL, that would do it. Lots of players, including North American ones, would be pretty unhappy with that.

Idoit40fans wrote:Its astonishing to me how many people have missed that. Its been pretty well reported all along and yet people are clamoring for him to be fired. First of all, the Players want him back, he excelled in the position. Secondly, all along it has been known that he'd be done.

If the players want him, he'll be back in 8 or so years, take a year to learn the deal, then push the lockout to the brink of another cancelled season in order to get "the best deal" for the players. He's convinced the players that's the only path and they believe him. I don't think this tactic works as well if he stays in the position.

JeffDFD wrote:Just for laughs...everyone saw their taxes go up this 2013 at least 2% due to the medicare tax break expiring. On 11 million...that is $220,000. I also believe he would fall into the tax hikes for those making over 400,000 - haha. I don't know exactly how much in taxes he would pay here, but he may actually make more money in the KHL.

I know you said it was just for laughs, but just pointing out that the Social Security tax reverting back to being 2% higher only applies to the first $113,700 of earnings. So it'd only cost him an additional $2,274, not $220,000.

The tax free part has never been clear to me and I've always wondered what that meant. Is it truly tax free over there, or are they referring to the fact that Russia has a flat tax over there as opposed to a progressive one.

The KHL does have a hard salary cap of only $36.5 million this season, so I'm not sure how much they could actually dedicate to a single player, even one as talented as Kovalchuk. But I do know they have had cap exemptions for NHL players playing during the lockout, so I'm not sure how that all shakes out now that the lockout is over.

Forgot about that! But still...his taxes will be high here and who knows what the KHL is offering him in a duffel bag behind the arena

Idoit40fans wrote:Its astonishing to me how many people have missed that. Its been pretty well reported all along and yet people are clamoring for him to be fired. First of all, the Players want him back, he excelled in the position. Secondly, all along it has been known that he'd be done.

If the players want him, he'll be back in 8 or so years, take a year to learn the deal, then push the lockout to the brink of another cancelled season in order to get "the best deal" for the players. He's convinced the players that's the only path and they believe him. I don't think this tactic works as well if he stays in the position.

Yeah its definitely his prerogative to risk a cancelled season. He certainly hasn't overseen the longest period of labor peace in NA sports.

JeffDFD wrote:Just for laughs...everyone saw their taxes go up this 2013 at least 2% due to the medicare tax break expiring. On 11 million...that is $220,000. I also believe he would fall into the tax hikes for those making over 400,000 - haha. I don't know exactly how much in taxes he would pay here, but he may actually make more money in the KHL.

I know you said it was just for laughs, but just pointing out that the Social Security tax reverting back to being 2% higher only applies to the first $113,700 of earnings. So it'd only cost him an additional $2,274, not $220,000.

The tax free part has never been clear to me and I've always wondered what that meant. Is it truly tax free over there, or are they referring to the fact that Russia has a flat tax over there as opposed to a progressive one.

The KHL does have a hard salary cap of only $36.5 million this season, so I'm not sure how much they could actually dedicate to a single player, even one as talented as Kovalchuk. But I do know they have had cap exemptions for NHL players playing during the lockout, so I'm not sure how that all shakes out now that the lockout is over.

Forgot about that! But still...his taxes will be high here and who knows what the KHL is offering him in a duffel bag behind the arena

True. I'm sure he also gets plenty of perks there. But what they can never offer him is the same financial security as a 15 year guaranteed money deal in the NHL. That's why I'm all but totally sure he'll be back.