Because People in power are Stupid:So my darling and IMake love in the sandTo salute the last moment Ever on dry landOur machine has done its workPlayed its part wellWithout a scratch on our bodiesAnd we bid it farewell

LewDux:Because People in power are Stupid: So my darling and IMake love in the sandTo salute the last moment Ever on dry landOur machine has done its workPlayed its part wellWithout a scratch on our bodiesAnd we bid it farewell

Reverend J:FirstNationalBastard: So, we won't even be around in the year 4545, when you ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes... You won't find a thing to chewwwwww... Nobody's gonna look at you?

The seas essentially quit rising about 5000-6000 years ago, with another meter or two to go over the next several millennia. With human additions to the equation that rise could happen in a millennium or less, possibly, but it's going to happen anyway.

BigBooper:Now this is the smart way to make a doomsday prediction. Far enough out that you'll be dead, but not so far in the future that people don't care about it.

"Well I predict that the world will end at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve.""This year?""MmHmm.""Well that's cutting it a little bit close, isn't it? I mean, just from a sales point of view, I mean your book is just coming out, you're not gonna see any paperback sales for at least a year. It'll be at least another year before you know whether you've got that mini-series or movie of the week kind of possibilities. I mean just Devil's Advocate Milty! I mean shouldn't you have said: Hey the worlds going to end in 1992! Or better yet 1994!""This is not just some money-making scheme! Alright! I have a strong psychic belief that the world will end on New Year's Eve.""Well, for your sake, I hope you're right."

The seas essentially quit rising about 5000-6000 years ago, with another meter or two to go over the next several millennia. With human additions to the equation that rise could happen in a millennium or less, possibly, but it's going to happen anyway.

...Which is still bad, but TFA's pic was acting like Minneapolis is going to be under 30+ feet of water. Not gonna happen.

Here's the thing, climate change is a real and serious problem that we need to deal with as best as possible to mitigate the possible effects. But lying about it doesn't help anything....we can't afford to lose credibility on this.

The seas essentially quit rising about 5000-6000 years ago, with another meter or two to go over the next several millennia. With human additions to the equation that rise could happen in a millennium or less, possibly, but it's going to happen anyway.

...Which is still bad, but TFA's pic was acting like Minneapolis is going to be under 30+ feet of water. Not gonna happen.

Here's the thing, climate change is a real and serious problem that we need to deal with as best as possible to mitigate the possible effects. But lying about it doesn't help anything....we can't afford to lose credibility on this.

From the documentaries I have watched and the articles I have read, warming is a snowball effect. Thaw out the permafrost and then it starts releasing methane. Then things get really bad and all the warming releases more stored CO2 and so on.

Virtuoso80:For some reason, I read the headline to mean we'd all be gay by then.

Well that or humanity develops the holo-deck, matrix, or some other form of reality much better than real life. Or we all get super realistic perfect robot mates. Whatever the cause, enough of us stop reproducing that everything falls apart.

I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Lee451:I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Short answer? Because good news doesn't get eyeballs on webpages, TV ads sold and research grants and social engineering programs funded. Okay, that's a bit cynical, but it's also true.

BTW, nearly all of the readily accessible glacier water is already in the ocean, so both its contribution to sea level rise as well as the prospects for land rebound have largely already played out. For large-scale melting of Greenland and the Antarctic West to happen (and raise global sea level by more than another 2-3 feet), a credible mechanism has to be identified, which doesn't currently exist. Even IPCC (the most aggressive "credible" sea level rise alarmists) don't predict more than another 2' of rise, and that's at the top end of their range for the foreseeable future.

Stone Meadow:Lee451: I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Short answer? Because good news doesn't get eyeballs on webpages, TV ads sold and research grants and social engineering programs funded. Okay, that's a bit cynical, but it's also true.

BTW, nearly all of the readily accessible glacier water is already in the ocean, so both its contribution to sea level rise as well as the prospects for land rebound have largely already played out. For large-scale melting of Greenland and the Antarctic West to happen (and raise global sea level by more than another 2-3 feet), a credible mechanism has to be identified, which doesn't currently exist. Even IPCC (the most aggressive "credible" sea level rise alarmists) don't predict more than another 2' of rise, and that's at the top end of their range for the foreseeable future.

A voice of rational and reason? On FARK, where everyone is supposed to follow the crowd?

/I agree with you completely. If you frighten people they will demand to be saved, whether the fear is rational or not, immediate or 100 years down the road.

Lee451:I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Nobody's going to panic and beg government on their knees to save them whatever the cost in money and liberty if the problem (assuming there actually is one) is seen as anything but apocalyptic.

Lee451:Stone Meadow: Lee451: I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Short answer? Because good news doesn't get eyeballs on webpages, TV ads sold and research grants and social engineering programs funded. Okay, that's a bit cynical, but it's also true.

BTW, nearly all of the readily accessible glacier water is already in the ocean, so both its contribution to sea level rise as well as the prospects for land rebound have largely already played out. For large-scale melting of Greenland and the Antarctic West to happen (and raise global sea level by more than another 2-3 feet), a credible mechanism has to be identified, which doesn't currently exist. Even IPCC (the most aggressive "credible" sea level rise alarmists) don't predict more than another 2' of rise, and that's at the top end of their range for the foreseeable future.

A voice of rational and reason? On FARK, where everyone is supposed to follow the crowd?

/I agree with you completely. If you frighten people they will demand to be saved, whether the fear is rational or not, immediate or 100 years down the road.

jjorsett:Lee451: I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Nobody's going to panic and beg government on their knees to save them whatever the cost in money and liberty if the problem (assuming there actually is one) is seen as anything but apocalyptic.

You underestimate how many people actually crave the apocalypse. It explains a great deal of foreign policy.

Lee451:I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Depends where you live. My country, Norway, is unlikely to be affected by most of the negative effects of global warming. We'll have a warmer and more fertile climate. We already have trees growing far higher up than they did before. On the other hand, our cold winters protect us from malaria, and we might find ourselves inundated by people who can no longer survive in their countries of origin.

Lee451:I don't understand why only doom, defeat and despair can come from global warming. Could there be NO positive effects? Such as a longer growing season, less energy used in heating homes and a more moderate climate? If and when the glaciers melt, won't the land under them spring back up and mitigate the rising seas?

Habitats will move with the changing climate, and people will have to move as well. The most pressing issue will be year round supplies of fresh water, but that's not a show stopper. I don't believe WE will cause a run away green house effect and make the Earth look like Venus. That's pure fear mongering bullshiat.