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Should voters have to show identification?

Before last year, just two states, Georgia and Indiana, had voter-ID laws. Since Republicans took control of many state governments in 2010, 10 states have adopted such laws, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, an advocacy and public-interest law firm that tends to side with liberals on voting issues.

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I think one should have to show some form of ID... I just feel it shouldn't necessarily have to be some sort of ID that you have to pay for. I grew up in a state where a voter's registration card is considered a form ID (in fact you can use it to help identify yourself when getting a Driver's License or State ID there (unlike a Driver's License or State ID). It was considered a proof of identity at the polls (in conjunction with signing the Voter list before receiving a ballot).

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Give me a voter ID card and I'll produce thousands of forgeries inside of 24 hours with the names and addresses of real voters on them. Get my people to the polls early and I'll steal every one of those votes. The system SUCKS!

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Georgia and Indiana prepared two years ago for this election. A sign of true intelligence! As we see the stupidity in the Governorships and Voting Commissioners of Ohio, Wisconsin, Texas, Pennsylvania. Yet what more is needed? Than applying for a voter registration card. Which requires a form of I.D. As we see the green card and illegal immigrant. Yet in all of this, voter fraud is negligible. As the GOP seeks to steal and deny the "Right to Vote" in the several states. But what is this that appears in our present now? In Florida and else where. Is it voter fraud through voter registration? Just why? Has the GOP laid deformation and demonizing against the Birth Certificate. Said to be a patriot? Is it for the on going Saga of the Bush Agenda!

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Yes, voters should be required to show verifiable personal identification. Having been an election judge for a few years, elections were often an exercise in frustration for me. I would challenge voters that I knew were voting more than once or not qualified, but apparently no challenges were ever investigated, much less turned into arrest warrants. It was a temptation to ignore reality and just let it slide.

Activist judges recently stood in the way of Texas voters, essentially nullifying our duly passed Voter ID law. It's almost ironic, registered voters passed the legislation, but activist judges –seemingly concerned about voter's rights– completely ignore the will of the voting public. Appears they only care about certain voters.

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"The point is to illustrate the plight of millions of the extremely poor in getting an ID, the majority who have no one to give them "---------------So, presuming your statistics are correct, what process would YOU put in place to solve the problem, Mary? What system would you propose that would protect your brother's right to vote and my right not to have my vote stolen or negated by ineligible voters (whether or not that fraud is real)?

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Mr. Paul Richards wrote: "Your HAVA quote does little to explain why you and the conservative 'think tanks' foster the "Urban Myth" of illegal voting done in numbers large enough to actually effect a national election."

If anyone can get thru to Mr. Richards, please introduce him to the electoral college and the notion that national elections really can be, and are, sometimes won by a very few votes.

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Harvey Whitehead said ; " electoral college and the notion that national elections really can be, and are, sometimes won by a very few votes"

Present functionality of the Electoral College is that the national popular vote bears no legal or factual significance on determining the outcome of the election.

Personally relying on 'think tanks' for sources of information, by no stretch of the imagination is critical thinking as taught in any University in the world. Making statements like your does not make them facts.

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From Paul Richards' reply:"Harvey Whitehead said ; " electoral college and the notion that national elections really can be, and are, sometimes won by a very few votes"

Present functionality of the Electoral College is that the national popular vote bears no legal or factual significance on determining the outcome of the election."

Paul, the above statement is exactly the point I was making in my post. Thanks to the electoral college, many states may be won or lost by a very few votes - which may well decide the national election - which is exactly what you implied never happens, in your post.

Paul also wrote:"Personally relying on 'think tanks' for sources of information, by no stretch of the imagination is critical thinking as taught in any University in the world."

Paul - I'm not relying on 'think tanks' for info. I studied business at the university level in the late 1970s - back when a B.S. in Business meant something. I'm doing my own thinking and my own writing; shucks I'm even earning my own living and creating jobs for others - which I've been doing consistently since 1985. Paul - who's doing your thinking for you? Your occasional writing skills imply you cannot possibly be as silly as most of your content implies.

Paul also wrote:"Making statements like your does not make them facts. "

Paul - in your posts you take issue with, and attempt to refute, statements and inferences that other writers in the Community never made. Don't reply to this post on my account; I won't be reading anything further that you have to say. Your posts are neither entertaining, edifying nor thought provoking... They are a complete waste of my time and energy and I need to get back to creating jobs and paying taxes so folks like you don't starve to death.

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Harvey Whitehead said : " Your posts are neither entertaining, edifying nor thought provoking... They are a complete waste of my time and energy and I need to get back to creating jobs and paying taxes so folks like you don't starve to death." Comments are not meant to edify or be entertaining, but elicit a response, its working so far : |

Is that all you have Harvey? The 'revelation' about the Electoral College being open to manipulation by the big two political parties. Seriously? For an educated man, it feels like a bit of well .......

I suggest you and all your conservative thinkers need to admit neither party has a vision for America and see the state of the economy for what it has become. All by overspending on global "military" dominance, with the current and future generation paying the price, but not seeing the truth.

The national road system and infrastructure is failing, jobs are going to rapidly developing countries introducing automated systems, we could list issue after national issue. Neither party addresses these crucial and real future problems. Wake up, America is losing its competitive edge, who is offering a solution but an outside corporation called the BIS?

So far the BIS in Switzerland has done more to break the infestation of Ponzi schemes in the US and actively reset the American labor / executive salary value than any elected government.

Perhaps with the BIS directing the private company the Reserve Bank of America, the economy may have a chance. But it certainly will never find leadership by following either party while they are servants of corporations.

Small business made America great. Neither party truly back 'small business', and that is where jobs will come from while the world faces exponential growth in automation. Automation spreading through developing nations like wildfire. Wrecking America's economy and taking employees jobs from laborers to the business executive managing daily activities.

The truth of the Quantitate Easing effect on healing the economy is why both parties 'fail' to discuss this incredibly important series of measures being rolled out in 2013. Did you not wonder about that?

Just why has QE has never been mentioned during the election campaigns?

Or are you and others to blinded by cognitive bias to see your impending reality?

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There is so much incoherence here that a response has to be selective. "Overspending on military dominance"? No. Never in history has the most powerful nation resorted so reluctantly to what are clearly national interest threats. To read your posts, one would never know what happened on 9/11 or its significance.The national road system and infrastructure are failing all right but what happened to the hundreds of billions of our dollars that were commandeered to do something about that? They seem to have gone to failing pie-in-the-sky Solyndra-type projects, bailing-out failing industries that should have gone bankrupt, saving outrageous union pension funds, and God knows what other rat-hole dumps. America is not "losing its competitive edge" if the government would get the hell out of the way. What the President can't do legally he uses other devices, like the EPA, to further his moon-beam economic aims.The QE is not mentioned, unfortunately, in electoral campaigns, because no one can figure out what the Fed is up to, or what it might do in the future. One thing is clear: keeping interest rates unnaturally low enables the government to vastly increase the national debt while at the same time paying abnormally low interest rates to finance it. Never mind that millions of hard-working honest Americans reach old-age only to find that that their careful plans for retirement are destroyed because the interest rates return on their investments are kept abnormally low."Automation spreading through developing nations like wild-fire"? Don't be silly. Automation is invented and developed right here at home. Far from hurting American labor, it increases productivity so that more capital is accumulated and more jobs and salaries can be increased.I am aware that I have just wasted a lot of my time but sometimes it is cathartic to refute asinine folderol.

But actually believing the rubbish about political parties and job creation is pathetic conservative or liberal. Sad reflection on critical thinking, thankfully I know many who do not suffer this American cultural phenomenon.

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Stephen Ryan said ; " There is so much incoherence here that a response has to be selective. "Overspending on military dominance"? No. Never in history has the most powerful nation resorted so reluctantly to what are clearly national interest threats." Spare the violins and fanfare, John Wayne and the jingoistic BS. 'Overspending on military dominance' America can be in denial over, accepted. But do get real;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

But it does not overstate the problem a reduction in military spending by this 'corporate' industry would go a long way to productive job creation. After all what does the spending 'produce'?

America is not "losing its competitive edge", because you just share it round is that it? Well then why are China taking over typical American industries and dominating them?

As for the pathetic excuse for both parties being silent - "because no one can figure out what the Fed is up to"

If you were watching you would have seen the BIS require the Federal Reserve demanding the increased cash reserves from first tier banks that brought down all the Ponzi schemes and shakey corporate deals the public is still paying for. No conspiracy, the Basel Accord II was outlined to the industry since the late 1970s this was transparent. Just as the Basel Accord III will require a further cash reserve, testing if more Ponzi schemes will fail. Basel Accord IIIhttp://www.bis.org/bcbs/basel3.htmBasel Accord II http://www.bis.org/publ/bcbsca.htm

"The QE is not mentioned, unfortunate" is that it? All America is taking a salary, or wage cut, your house are being devalued, you are going to pay through the nose for imported goods. Unfortunate, seriously?

As for automation, you are right and Facebook is a brilliant model for this type of automation. Automation all government could take note of and streamline its bureaucracy modelling. But denying China, India and a great deal of the Tiger economies are catching is a gross omission on the part of both parties.

Excuses, and all for a pair of useless corporate puppets, where is the real American leadership?

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Sorry "Pres. Obammie" I think (VOTER I.D) is a MUST! Right now even an "Illegal Alien" can REGISTER to VOTE! WHY? No ID required!!! Come on folks, even NOW dead people and (ILLEGALS) are voting & have been for years!!! When you CASH A CHECK @ a BANK you are REQUIRED to show an (I.D!!!) DUH???And many other commerce transactions REQUIRE (ID)!!! I as a American citizen have absolutely NO PROBLEM with that REQUIREMENT! Ah Ha moment folks! I'm a "CITIZEN!" unlike others around here who try to scam ALL of US CITIZENS (legal)!!!

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JAMES H. DAVIS said : " ....... Come on folks, even NOW dead people and (ILLEGALS) are voting & have been for years!!! "

James this is an "Urban Myth" seeded by conservative 'think tanks'. Have you ever drilled down to find the source data? There is actually 'no proof' it could effect the outcome of a national election or has, just the spin and generated 'fear' of it.

But your point about ID is agreed and every conservative or liberal supporter here agrees with you.

It has never been about photo ID or extra requirements, it has been about the 'timing' of the requirement. Why did the defending Bush government not introduce the 'essential' ID requirements at a similar time before defending in 2008?

It is simply a brilliant political strategy, cleverly disenfranchising potential Democrat and the "47%" unwanted as Republican supporters.

At least congratulate the conservatives for the strategy.

By the way, using CAPS breaches WJS community rules. Plus if you are using them in other forums long standing social media etiquette says it is SHOUTING, bad manners and are users of CAPS are viewed as a 'newbies' or 'chumps', anyone continuing using them are - http://goo.gl/U4fPp

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Sorry Paul Richards but Voter Fraud is no urban myth. There have been too many times its been shown to have been true. Its not a joke that dead people vote in Chicago or in Kansas City. Its been proven. My own father told me about being offered money for his ballot during Tom Pendergast's times in KC. Open your eyes and look around Voter Fraud is no urban or rural myth. And it steals votes from honest people no matter what party.

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David Hedenberg said " Sorry Paul Richards but Voter Fraud is no urban myth. There have been too many times its been shown to have been true"

Now David I am not responsible for your comprehension. Or your being sold the 'spin' of advertising agencies engaged posting 'stories' or 'seeding' mis-information on both sides of the this ridiculous excuse for a democratic election.

Just to clarify it for you. Voter fraud exists. How dumb do you think people are?

Voter fraud in numbers big enough to swing a national election unfairly is an "Urban Myth".

An Urban Myth attempted to be proved real by spending millions and millions of dollars. Nada, nothing just that it is nearly impossible to quantify, you and others are just driven by the 'fear' it 'may' be true.

I pity your thinking process and ability to verify so called truth, makes me wonder just how gullible Americans are. Believing 'climate change' is a myth, the reasons for waring with others etc.etc. very sad.

So far this witch hunt has backfired recently with the unearthing of conservative supporter filling in false voter registration forms in Florida. http://goo.gl/qylCp