...tell us about some of those new features that were added that pushed the date back to April. Seems if the product is beta now, April is a bit late for release. Either it's going into Alpha soon and coming out in April...or it's coming out sooner than that. My money is on late January / early February.

Of course, if they have added some last minute features (major interface tweaks and the like), I might be willing to wait an extra month or two for a better product.

I don't expect anyone besides Adobe engineers would have a clue as to the actual intended release date. That's a guess on all our parts, and I'm still guessing January or February. They're sticking to their normal development cycle as best as I can tell (from other products and from speaking with one of their engineers, who's not all that forthcoming for obvious reasons).

[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>Even if Adobe releases Photoshop 6.5 with NO new feature but carbonization I would buy the upgrade still.....the latest version that I really paid for was 5.0.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But still, the sound of the whining and Adobe-bashing and petitions will still be incredible if they do that.

Leonis, don't give Adobe the wrong idea. There are lots of things - little things even - that can be improved with version 6. Things that I would expect them to do with the next version. Carbonization is not enough to justify the upgrade. Not unless it's going to be a $50 upgrade or something similarly low.

At any rate, given the number of new features on Illustrator 10 and InDesign 2, I think we can safetly assume there will be more than just carbonation stirring about in the next version of Photoshop.

Anyone know the guy at Railhead Design? He seems to have knowledge of Adobe's beta testing programs (showed some tidbits of GoLIve 6 recently)...if anyone knows him, perhaps you could get him to register here (under an alias) and comment? I dunno. I just can't believe there are no beta testers lurking around here. You'd think it would be easy enough to evade detection using a forum like this...

[quote]Originally posted by mania:
<strong>You can make the switch now, running ps6 in classic is not such a big deal - its fairly fast. As stated before dreamweaver is for lamers - i call it DreamONweaver because of the pitiful and I Mean PITIFUL code it writes.

here is a made up example of dreamwever code
&lt;font color=#123456&gt;&lt;img src=something&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=2&gt;Here&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font size=2&gt;is&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font...&gt;my&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font&gt;sucky&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font&gt;dreamweaver&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font&gt;web page&lt;/font&gt;

</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's what happens when a lamer tries to use DreamWeaver. If you want better code, you don't do each word seperately. You slect your paragraph and select the font size and color you want and end up with just the 2 tags.

Just because you don't know how to use DreamWeaver like some don't know how to code doesn't make DW lame

I haven't read every post in this thread, but I can tell you that Adobe didn’t announce an OS X-native version of Photoshop at Seybold. InDesign 2 was announced for “the first calendar quarter of 2002.” Surely you don’t think Adobe is going to surprise us and ship an OS X-native version of Photoshop in that same timeframe.

Bruce Chizen, now CEO of Adobe, announced that all of Adobe’s major titles would be shipping for OS X within six months. Chizen made this announcement on the morning Illustrator 10 began shipping. Mathematically, we’re talking about April. But if we’re six months out now, it’s probably safe to say that it’s really going to be seven to eight months away before we’ll actually have an OS X-native Photoshop.

[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
<strong>Anyone know the guy at Railhead Design? He seems to have knowledge of Adobe's beta testing programs (showed some tidbits of GoLIve 6 recently)...if anyone knows him, perhaps you could get him to register here (under an alias) and comment? I dunno. I just can't believe there are no beta testers lurking around here. You'd think it would be easy enough to evade detection using a forum like this...

it seems that since OS X.1, Adobe went in a hurry for announcements : Illustrator X, then InDesign 2 are among the 4 major Adobe apps with Photoshop and Premiere.
I read somewhere that InDesign 2 was sheduled for first 2002 quarter then in the Press it is often spoken of january : good news.
Golive 6 and After-effects seem to be in beta-stage according to Railhead design and other news sites (with snapshots).
Except for Illustrator, 3 months ago no one had a clue about those others even if InDesign was probable because of its "major revision upgrade" big need.

So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002

It seems that Adobe was in fact waiting for X.1

I hope that Macromedia will have its products ready for MW New York and even sooner !

On a tangent, if you read through the Illustrator 10 manual, it specifically mentions capabilities related to "GoLive 6.0" in three or four places...so my inclination is to say it should be along before Christmas. No other apps (such as InDesign 2.0 or Photoshop 7.0) were mentioned, unfortunately. Although they do mention certain new capabilities as related to those apps...perhaps there are some hints hiding among them.

[quote]

So i think Photoshop could well be ready in the next 4 months with a beta stage in the beginning of 2002.<hr></blockquote>

It's already in beta testing...but Adobe has long beta cycles (which is a good thing usually) so it remains to be seen. The good news is, by May 1 I bet we'll have them all (even Premiere and After Effects).

I believe Illustrator 10 was released so fast because of freehand 10... Thightly integrated with Flash this is Macromedias biggest competitor to adobe, except maybe golive to dreamweaver...

BTW, I use golive as HTML editor with the textwindow as default... The code looks exactly like I want it to, and I can easily check the layout or select the right cells in a table. I've tried to convert to dreamweaver and BBE but I guess i'm just stuck with this piece of software... (been using it since it was called cyberstudio...)

Bill Bradley to comedian Bill Cosby: "Bill, you are a comic, tell us a joke!"- "Senator, you are a politician, first tell us a lie!"

[quote] That's what happens when a lamer tries to use DreamWeaver. If you want better code, you don't do each word seperately. You slect your paragraph and select the font size and color you want and end up with just the 2 tags.<hr></blockquote>

You know what's sillier than using a million font tags in DW?
Using font tags at all. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

It's just slightly easier to write one Stylesheet and then link it to every page.

DW does NOT write good clean code, it's very easy to add additional worthless code on top of bad code, and it's hardly WYSIWYG.

Ever looked at the Javascript it writes?
*shudder*

I won't even mention the exclusion of DOCTYPES barring the add-on you can download by choice.

I don't think that there was ever a demonstration of Photoshop 4.5 on Rhapsody. I think the keynote you are referring to is the one where Steve Jobs launched the OS X concept - where a port of Photoshop was shown running on an early version of X.

Remember Adobe had never supported Rhapsody - it would have required the rewriting Photoshop entirely in Cocoa (Yellow Box). None of the major developers were willing to do a Cocoa (Yellow Box) port, which is why OS X was introduced with the Carbon framework. Carbon allows developers to re-use a lot of the old OS9 code because it has most of the old APIs.

In the demo of Photoshop on OS X - which as I recall Jobs claimed took Adobe only two weeks to port - OS X was a very different animal. It had the platinum user interface rather than Aqua for starters. I suspect that there were more OS 9 APIs still available at that point - and yes I'm sure it only had a limited feature set. There's no way it would work on today's OS X.

1998...all you need to know to understand it was a completely different beast from the OS X released earlier this year / in use now. Honestly, the demo they did should not have any bearing on how people treat Adobe for the current version being built.

If we never had OS X at all, and were simply waiting for the next version of Photoshop, we *still* wouldn't have it until December or January most likely. Rarely is the product updated more frequently than once every 12 or 13 months. We're still not at the 12 month mark yet (though we're close)...So if they release in February or there-bouts, that's good with me.

If we're still waiting come late spring or summer, feel free to get beligerent.

I've installed Adobe Photoshop 7.0 (beta 43) and ImageReady 7.0 (beta 43) for Mac OS X.
Phothoshop "flies" on my G4/400! really!
It's simply GREAT!
ImageReady still needs some work: for example the layers palette appears in a Classic(OS9)-gray appearance instead of an Aqua appearance. On the contrary, in Photoshop, EVERYTHING has been beautifully "aquafied". I would like to post some screenshots, but to add an image here (in this board) I have to put it on a http webserver, and for "anonymity" that's not good

(I was forgetting......for those ones who will say that what I'm writing is only bullsh*t..... no problem for me...think what you want )

[quote]Originally posted by Zeno:
<strong>II would like to post some screenshots, but to add an image here (in this board) I have to put it on a http webserver, and for "anonymity" that's not good</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for the info guys. Either TS's server is messed up, or they've already removed all the pictures at the request of Adobe legal. I'm getting URL errors for each one....

<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[edit]

Upon further review, the few screenshots that do load look like total hack jobs. The Splash Screen is a JOKE. Adobe would never use anything like that - even on a beta product. I don't really follow the rumor sites much...is TS pretty reliable based on past screenshots and such? And it's already in beta, so the "will go beta in the coming months" comment also reduces their believability factor....

Just a little friendly reminder to say that when speculating on the next Photoshop remember that Adobe is most definately a cross platform company. They will by no means release an upgrade that is not warranted just for us Mac users that want to move to OSX. They have to make a number of improvements to the program to make it a viable upgrade for Windoze users as well. Im just not so happy about having to dish out even more money for somthing I just bought... Oh well, let the OSX apps role! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
<strong>Upon further review, the few screenshots that do load look like total hack jobs. The Splash Screen is a JOKE. Adobe would never use anything like that - even on a beta product. I don't really follow the rumor sites much...is TS pretty reliable based on past screenshots and such? And it's already in beta, so the "will go beta in the coming months" comment also reduces their believability factor....</strong><hr></blockquote>

All the screenshots loaded for me without any problems. I don't see why you think the splash screen is a "joke"? They've done outrageous splash screen before in the beta builds of older Photoshops. Overall, I'm really looking forward to having Photoshop for OS X. Then, I'll finally be able to start using OS X for most of my work.

I don't know...just looked really amatuerish to me...and the File browser thing looked like a total hack also. You can almost see where they took bits and pieces of other screen shots and molded it into the one you see....

Hope I'm wrong. Like I say I don't know much about Think Secret , but it just doesn't look convincing to me at this point. If the guy who commented earlier cares to elaborate more on the beta or find a way to anonymously post his screen shots (there are sites that you can do that from with mimal registration info / false info I'm sure)....that might help.

[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
<strong>And it's already in beta, so the "will go beta in the coming months" comment also reduces their believability factor....
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Moogs: I think they meant to say that PS 7 will enter public beta at some point. There's been rumors of that for a while.

I'm not usually into stealing software on the Net, but tried out Carracho when I was sick of waiting for MS to ship my copy of Office v.X. (For the record, I now own a fully registered copy of Office X.) In any case, I launched up Carracho, just to see what the fish of the day was. At least a dozen servers were offering Photoshop 7 for OS X beta 43 (I think that's what it was) for download. Based upon that, I have no reason to question Think Secret's report.

Note: Think Secret's server was experiencing very high traffic today. Server overload lead to some odd (non-) responses.

In any case, my photo editing needs are currently met by <a href="http://www.graphicconverter.net/" target="_blank">GraphicConverter</a> anyway. I'm looking forward to Adobe GoLive for X though, since I'm hoping to supplement BBEdit with a WYSIWYG web editor soon.

Escher

"The only laptop computer that's useful is the one you have with you."Until we get a 3 lbs sub-PowerBook, the 12-inch PowerBook will do.

Zeno, I sit corrected (nice main screenshot btw). From the looks of it, Adobe has done a nice job with the interface. Thanks for posting that! Two questions for you: any changes to either the Brush Well , and is either the Brush palette or Options palette (as we used to know them) present? I'm guessing not, but even so it looks pretty cool.

What can you tell us about the real-time warping stuff? Did they finally add a grid-warping feature to PS?? That would be sweet. I notice a few of the text palette widgets too. Pretty cool.

Damn final exams are keeping me from really boring into it, but the anti-aliasing is nice and flexible - you can even choose the type of anti-aliasing it will do, menus in some areas like the "File Browser" are kind of awkward for me. Feels rather Macromedia like actually [the file browser not the program].

As far as speed goes its not snappy at most stuff, not like PS 6 and not like 10.1, but hey, its at Beta 43 right?

I am hoping for a first quarter release, say January or Febuary, mainly because I want to see it released at a MacWorld convention and I want to see 7.0 come out for Mac OS X before it does for Windows XP - no word on the Windows version as of yet.

Regardless, I don't know anything about any public beta, personally I hope they don't do that, I think commercial companies use it as a way to buy time for the most part. Apple basically had to due to all of us complaining and shouting, and the yeasr of delays, but as a general rule its a bad move.

The top command gives me the following info while PS 7 b43 is running in the background:

706 Adobe Phot 1.2% 0:19.74 2 73 443 16.3M 22.5M 33.4M 110M

There is a readme file but its just a blank placeholder that says PS7 readme will go here. Which sucks because I wanted to know requirement specs. No matter what, this is a late build and seems full featured, the Help menu gives the option to show system info:

Well, thought you guys might find this interesting and I would share a taste, does anyone have a great hankering for time demos of any sort? I don't know how much they would tell you at this stage but like I said, filters do seem quick.

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Interesting. Have they updated or otherwise modified any of the filters and effects? So many of those things are borderline worthless because of their weak pixel-averaging effects, etc...I hope they've at least made them a little more precise / useful. Or even tidy up some of the dialogs.

[More...]
From Railhead Design:

"Photoshop 7.0x034 Leaked
Its been making the rounds at the usual places, and people are beginning to post all manner of screenshots on their websites but the funny thing is, the beta 34 theyre using is almost two weeks old. However, the changes made since this build was leaked arent evident insofar as the interface is concerned. All the basic code has been rewritten, and the whole application is now feature-complete all that remains is fleshing out what bugs may crop up. To that end, Adobe will be letting loose beta 38 either tonight or tomorrow, and theres now a real chance we may get a release date announcement in January, which would be wonderful to say the least.

As far as me putting up screenshots, Ill poke around this evening and see what I can come up with for tomorrows news."

Got my copy a few minutes ago...pretty slick. The toolbar icons react just like in AI for X (new icons, become colorful on mouseover). Yes, ThinkSecret's articles were accurate, as were their screenshots, but they've since been removed at the request of Adobe's sharks. Going to play now....one note: the last user to comment noted some sluggishness and I noticed he was on a G3. I'm running a G4/500 (TiBook) and it's as snappy as PS6 in OS 9 for me. The only things that could be a good deal quicker are toolbar refreshes when switching to PS from another application (they take just a second to come up, but it seems this should be instant). And quit time is still long. But, it's a beta and still probably has debug in it.

One note is that Adobe did not go very far to make PS 7 X-like. I would have really appreciated the incorporation of the Aqua UI's "sheets," especially when the screen gets crowded. I'd love if they would tap into Aqua a bit more before release.

It's ok. I don't know why they are going to call it 7.0, there isn't much added. It doesn't rember the palette locations, and font management is now a pain. OS X doesn't recognize all my fonts like 9 did but I haven't tried suitcase for X yet because I read some negative things about it. Scroll wheel doesn't work when running in 9. Wierd.

You get spell check, find and replace, (only works in X not 9) a few new text buttons like inDesign, new icons which I think are ugly and distacting, they look too thick, too embossed. Switching between apps is slow as earlier noted. Keyboard shortcut for 'hide guides' apple+"'" now brings up the grid only.

New tools- Healing brush and patch tools.

Healing brush seems to be a stamp tool that feathers the edges after cloning the pixels. Not sure why that's useful.

Patch lets you move pixels within a selection and then feathers the inside edges. Again, not sure why that is useful.

Art history brush (that's new right?)It does all kinds of brush effects.

File browser- THANK GOD!! After 6.0 came out WITHOUT ' MAKE PREVIEW' i haven't been able to view thumbs of graphics that I needed to open up. So I had to resort to SimpleImage and MediaPro. No more!. This is basically graphicconverter image browser built in. Navigate to a folder and it makes thumbs of the images, then double click and it''s open. Yo can even delete images from it!