this is where it gets lost, we have been told it carries on to patuone but we dont know how
there are also stories about lady called kareana who was hohaia's daughter but raised by tama te waka nene

can anyone fill in the gaps and give us a direct line?

ok we now have lots of info on kareana, but does anyone know about potae, we have heard he is potae hohaia younger brother to pungaere who was a chief, but chiefs follow a direct line which means his father tokai must have been a chief too....does anyone know about this line??? unless the mother rawhaki was the line????
anyway does anyone know where or if pungaere was related to patuone????

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Kia ora whanau your comment about Kareana who was Hohaias daughter is correct. Waaka Nene could not have children so Patuone gave him one of his mokopuna. I myself am a 5th generation from Patuone. My line is direct as it is my fathers whakapapa. His great grandfather was Raunatiri who was the second youngest mokopuna of Patuones and the second youngest child of Hohaia. Kareana was a daughter she came after Ani Karo.
I hope this helps.

From what I have gleaned so far off the net, via verbal discussions with family and other family trees Kareana, commonly spelled Kararaina Hohaia was the daughter of Hohaia and yes it is correct that she was adopted out to Tamati Waka Nene. She was married to a runaway sailor John Welsh, some suggest it was Patuone who gave her to him as it was a lucrative deal to adopt English who could offer some skills to the tribes. John Welsh had a knack for procuring muskets and other items of value.

Kararaina had several children, one of which was the 7th daughter of John and herself. Her name was Sarah Welsh and she is reasonably well documented thanks to Trevor Bayliss who published "They were New Zealanders" You will find more information on Sarah if you are interested from this site http://waimalodgekellys.blogspot.co.nz/.

Kia ora my name is Francine Aroha Welsh (I use my mothers maiden name) please call me Aroha. Ive been reading your posts and I love whakapapa and geneology. On my maternal lines my grandfather is Rikihana Whakarongohau Welsh, his father my great grandfather was Walter Te Ahuriri McDonald Welsh who married Mihi Te Rina Pairama, his father and mother were my great great grandparents who were John Welsh and Kararaina Hohaia.....John Welsh is Irish......my great great great grandparents (parents to Kararaina Hohaia were Erana Kiri Kauwhata and Hohaia Rore) I cant go further back than that.......so I am wanting to fill in gaps. I also know Im connected to Patuone...(just wana close the gaps and find out exactly how) I understand its through Kararaina Hohaia. My great grandfather was the eldest male of John Welsh and Kararaia Hohaia...their eldest daughter Ani Welsh (later to become Ani Mete or Smith) once she left Nga Puhi for good and married down towards the east coast. In reading the above it states that Kararaina was given to Waka Nene so Im assuming that she is the grand daughter of Patuone and if so would that make Hohaia Rore son to Patuone? I have a picture of my great great grandmother Kararaina Hohaia and only a small photocopied pic of my great great grandfather John Welsh. Love anymore stories about either of them if anyone has any. I can also be contacted via email on [email protected]

Kia ora My name is Manu Diamond originally from Dargaville, I was adopted by my Aunt Te Kopuru (Bella) and her husband, Karauna Taimona (Diamond) Pakanae. I am in an endeavour to try and trace my whakapapa through my Tupuna Mihaka HOHAIA who I am led to believe moved from Whangape to Te Kopuru, Ngati Whatua ki Wairoa in the 1800's. After a short time he crossed the Northern Wairoa river and moved to Naumai. From there he eventually moved and settled and made his home in Parirau. He had children, but I do not know what his wife's name was. He had a son named Harepeka Hohaia, he in turn married Hangarau, and they had four children, Te Kopuru(F)Bella, Te Orikena(M)my father, Queenie and Homai Harepeka(M. Can anyone help me please. My email address is [email protected]

Tenakoe my name is Huhana Mete .I am the granddaughter of Ani Hohaia Welsh and Eruera Patuone Maihi Te Hauiti Mete and the daughter of Wiripo Mete their second last child. I am also passionate about our whakapapa. I was at the Welsh reunion at Waimamaku but want to connect with Whanau from the Hokianga. I am a Maori educationalist specialising in grassroots multiple Maori literacies and numeracies and had the humbling experience of facilitating educators at Te Rarawa Marae in 2011.. I have been to Arohanui Marae in Maungamuka .If anyone has info about my grandparents I would love to know but I would also love to connect with Whanau from the north. My email is [email protected] I currently live in Mahia.