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That Andrew Marr programme made her almost human I thought and made Scargill look a tool, or maybe you get mroe right wing the older you get? Having said that I remember vaguely my Dad being constantly out of work and having a meter on the telly so don't thinkl for a minute I'm Norman Tebbit's Press officer.

sadly the £ and the $ are worth more than either of those now and consequentially we have jade goody.

also whilst you may disagree with the man's beliefs and ideas you cannot lack respect for him. anyone who is prepared to give up a life born into priviledge and power as a result of their conscious is worth ten of you.

to take decision based on fact and opinion > than taking the easy, hypocritical paycheck.

Genocide: Genocide is the mass killing of a group of people, as defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

to just those distinctions is incorrect. Pinochot murdered thousands because their political views happened to differ from his. How is that any different from The Nazi's murdering Jews because of faith?

No more name calling and childish wank from as both? Agree to disagree?

I also read in my research for this fulfilling debate that if the term genocide was applied (word for word as defined in international law) to what happened in Cambodia during the reign of pol pot, then the majority of those deaths could not be called genocide. But this is clearly not the case

I think that the term genocide applies to what happened in chile during Pinochet

I accept that the dictionary "definition" of genocide may not actually apply word for word, but the term itself has evolved and now incompasses other areas of mass murder.

Your attitude appears to be "I'm right, you are wrong. And you are stupid for believing in what you believe". You have proved no evidence to show me that your opinion about what happened in Chile wasn't genocide. You basically said "Its not, and thats all I have to say"

they had a display up about mining with pictures of cogs etc and the kids' views. they were mostly of the "i'm glad i don't have to work down a pit". i'm not sure what i about it. 25 years ago these kids parents would have been fighting to keep the mines open, now their children are indifferent.

greatness is a myth pedalled by himself. He was a vain anti semitic imperialist who would have been better off in political life 70 years earlier. Although his impact in cajoling the British people in 1940/1 cannot be overlooked (most definitely the right man at the right time after Chamberlain), he was very much sidelined later on in the war by the American's and Russians and unable to influence the Allied strategy as he would perhaps have liked. Much of this was probably down to the fact that he was as much a military genius as was Hitler.

People of the left who emote about jobs lost and communities shattered and 50 year old men being made to go back to school to learn how to use a computer etc etc.

And people of the right who insist that, despite the worst effects of Thatcherism, the decisions she made were necessary to change Britain for the better.

The fact is Thatcher's record can be defeated on conservative territory. Her economic record was dismal, she didn't reduce the role of the state, had no interest in competitive markets and only favoured selling state assets when it either raised her cash or bought her votes.

I've seen Maggie a couple of times. She seems in good health to me. It's weird, when she walks into the building there is a kind of awed silence from people of all political colours. Whether you love her or hate her the lady has a real presence.

I'm actually a Thatcher revisionist; she undoubtedly made this country a better place but also made some key mistakes which she deserved (and received) punishment. A bit like Blair really. But the last thing I want to do is argue the shit about it.

And source a new water reed supplier for next week's heritage job...But my new heather's in and ready and I'm eager to test it's water-tightness. I could probably spare you 4 or 5 hours over the next week. How big's the roof?