Okay, I've watched 3 interviews with this guy now and several other videos of demonstrations of his technology, and I would like to share this guy's work. He speaks extensively about how gravity is generated by electromagnetism, including the earth. This field can be reproduced. Also, he speaks extensively about getting energy (although he seems to dislike the term "free energy") from some kind of interaction with plasma that I don't quite understand. He also claims knows how to turn gasses into solids, liquids, or any state at room temperature and displays

Also, this being a project camelot interview, they get into some more political questions, and he says things like "this technology is not for the American government, this technology is not for the iranian government, its for the people." He also claims that "very soon, 2012" his foundation, the Keshe Foundation will be broadcasting the secrets behind these technologies and how they work for anyone who want to learn how to use them.

The interview I first watched is a bit choppy in sections from a bad connection in a skype call. But the majority of the interview is audible and quite good and very recent. If you dont like Kerry for whatever reason (I can barely stand her), skip to the next one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DFC_L9RGKY

The second one is much easier to hear but doesn't cover everything the 1st interview covers yet is much more professional. This one also displays some of the technology in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFO3-MOCYE

There are plenty more videos on youtube about this guy including interviews, but I won't spam them all in the first post if nobody is interested in this. And to be clear, I am not 100% sure this guy is legitimate, but he seems to be from everything Ive seen on him.
P.S. This guy says he deals exclusively with space technology

Hey Duncan, I checked out his website and if he's legit we're in for quite a ride. Lots of channels have been predicting this technology for awhile now. It seems almost to good to be true, but I am sure it will happen, so maybe it's now. I will be watching this closely.
Loved the part where he talked about bringing down the drone with his saucer. Something allowed it to land undamaged.

Yeah... I always wondered about that drone after the fact even though I didn't know much about it until now. Those things look too fragile to have some other country that has had no experience controlling one just land it literally without a scratch after somehow electronically hijacking it. The mainstream explanation of this just doesn't add up.

(05-01-2012, 08:55 PM)Parsons Wrote: Okay, I've watched 3 interviews with this guy now and several other videos of demonstrations of his technology, and I would like to share this guy's work. He speaks extensively about how gravity is generated by electromagnetism, including the earth. This field can be reproduced. Also, he speaks extensively about getting energy (although he seems to dislike the term "free energy") from some kind of interaction with plasma that I don't quite understand. He also claims knows how to turn gasses into solids, liquids, or any state at room temperature and displays

Also, this being a project camelot interview, they get into some more political questions, and he says things like "this technology is not for the American government, this technology is not for the iranian government, its for the people." He also claims that "very soon, 2012" his foundation, the Keshe Foundation will be broadcasting the secrets behind these technologies and how they work for anyone who want to learn how to use them.

The interview I first watched is a bit choppy in sections from a bad connection in a skype call. But the majority of the interview is audible and quite good and very recent. If you dont like Kerry for whatever reason (I can barely stand her), skip to the next one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DFC_L9RGKY

The second one is much easier to hear but doesn't cover everything the 1st interview covers yet is much more professional. This one also displays some of the technology in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFO3-MOCYE

There are plenty more videos on youtube about this guy including interviews, but I won't spam them all in the first post if nobody is interested in this. And to be clear, I am not 100% sure this guy is legitimate, but he seems to be from everything Ive seen on him.
P.S. This guy says he deals exclusively with space technology.

He is a scammer. He promised to release the technology on September 21st. Now he has postponed it to December 14th. He promised to show it in 2010 again cancelled in 2011 promised again cancelled. That is one of the signs of a scam artist. Cancelling demonstrations. Below is the full list of signs of a scam artist here WEIRD SCIENCE: 'Free Energy' Articles . The list describes Keshe perfectly.

WARNING WARNING WARNING!
DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN "FREE ENERGY"!!!!
Several legitimate free energy researchers do exist, but they don't spend huge amounts on advertising like the scammers do. You probably won't have heard of them. The people who pursue wide publicity are almost all scam artists. If someone is making large amounts of money from selling books and videos on free energy, be very suspicious. If someone is selling plans for "real" free-energy devices, they are a ripoff. Don't waste your money. Or if someone is selling "Dealer ships" or invest ment oppor tunities for a free energy corp, hold tight to your wallet and RUN! Or, if you've already let them get their hands on your money, ask to see proof of the FE device, and see what excuse you're given. (It will be a very convincing excuse. Scam artists don't act sneaky. Scam artists survive because they seem far MORE honest and honorable than a normal person.) Remember that the "con" in "con game" means "confidence." They win your confidence first, then they go after your money. How to tell the difference between a con game and a real product? Easy: if you give them money before receiving a working FE device, then it's a scam, always.

How can we tell a free energy scam from an honest FE researcher? Here are some symptoms of a scam:

The researcher wants your money. He wants people to invest, he wants subscribers for expensive newsletters, wants to sell "Dealer ships", he wants individuals to make large "donations." Or sometimes he wants to sell you extremely expensive plans which do not work... or to sell you all sorts of books and videos about devices which don't do anything real. In any scam, the WHOLE POINT is to separate the victims from their wallets. (If absolutely no money is involved, then the researcher might be legit... or the scam might be less obvious.) Some scammers say that they want to improve the world (etc.), but then they somehow always avoid doing this. They keep secrets, they run complex buisness deals... they do all sorts of things except the most obvious ones: sending out simple and obvious proof to everyone, and getting working FE devices out into the public by all possible methods.

You'll notice that the scammer uses deception. Now we all know that the "FE" field is similar to people selling maps to lost gold mines, or it's like the used car arena: honest dealers may exist, but they are rare. The majority of publicized FE companies are con-artists selling worthless junk to gullible people. For this reason, real FE researchers are careful to remain scruptiously honest. They bend over backwards to avoid misleading anyone even a little. They have deep habits of honesty, and they don't tell all those little lies which would be acceptable in other situations. So if you notice a researcher using even the smallest "politician ploy" or "marketing techniques," then you're almost certainly dealing with a con-man. If you point out these failings, they'll give sensible excuses. But the symptom is the lack of brutal bend-over-backwards honesty.

How can we tell? Just ask the F/E hobbyists. While most "skeptics" are hopelessly biased, and will dishonestly claim that ALL free-energy inventors are scammers, you can still ask the online F/E community. They'll quickly set you straight about who is a ripoff artist and who is a legit experimenter.

The invention violates current laws of physics. Well, that's OK, since historical inventions often violate the physics theories of their time. But if many other listed symptoms are present as well, then it's a scam.

The invention is unproven. It has not yet splashed itself across news headlines worldwide. "NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY DISCOVERED IN USA!" Nope. Scams always involve unproven inventions. Unproven inventions might be real or might not. But scammers often hide behind this fuzzy status.

The inventor keeps the device secret. That, or their patent lacks some critical information and nobody can build a working copy based on the patent. (A small critical piece of info remains secret.)

The scammer usually has a good website. Make that a GREAT website. Well, actually their website looks like it was build by site-design experts who charge enormous fees. Wow, look at that thing, how could they afford to create such an expensive monstrous "online facade?" And that's it exactly: FACADE. The scammers spend all their resources making an airtight facade: a false front which looks trustworthy. Sometimes it looks far more trustworthy than any legit company's website. It certainly looks more trustworthy than the website of a legit inventor. REAL inventors' websites are crap, since they're made by the inventor (since inventors can't afford to pay anyone, and also, why pay for something that you can build yourself?)

It's NOT the company's number one goal to prove that the invention is real. The scam company seems to have no goal besides creating an aura of attractive secrets: secrets which will only be revealed to an in-group of "superior" blue-blooded investors, while we rabble on the outside are obviously inferior since we haven't invested and don't know the secrets. (It's the old "treasure map" trick, playing up your victims' self-importance.) Scamsters have all sorts of other tricks to appeal to snobbery or inflate the egos of investors. They also have many really sensible excuses for not proving that their discovery is real. But honest companies just sit down and prove their claims beyond any doubt BEFORE gathering investors. After all, its unethical to take investors' money for extremely questionable and totally unproven devices as if they were normal inventions developed by reliable companies.

The company performs public demonstrations... but something always goes wrong. If it's a scam, then the "failure" was planned all along. When the inventor starts a demonstration, watch for the "failure" which excuses the inventor from having to actually prove the device. Or more rarely, the demonstration is simple fraud, such as a hidden power supply, or something similar to water-to-gasoline chemistry demonstrations where the stirring spoon has a wax plug which melts and releases the gasoline from a hidden pocket.

The inventor doesn't publish successful scientific research papers (i.e. he doesn't publish detailed replication instructions,) or if he does, other researchers can't get them to work. Something vital wasn't included.

The inventor uses Grand Conspiracies or government supression as an excuse. Yes, actual suppression and small, non-grand conspiracies really do exist. Some inventors have genuine horror stories about these. But if it's ALWAYS "the conspiracy's fault" and the inventor cannot test the device or even show good evidence that it works, or can't make progress despite years of investments or "donations," can't reveal history of the work, can't reveal device details... if "The Conspiracy" is to blame, or if "The Oil Companies have made threats," then it's a scam.

You risk being labeled as a "Scoffer" or "Government Spy." Some scammers manipulate their audience using the following ploy: "If you're not fighting for me, then obviously you must be against me." The scammer won't let you remain undecided about their invention. Instead he pressures and manipulates you to become his supporter. In other words, if you dare to look for flaws, or dare insist on clear and simple evidence, and if you refuse to jump on the scammer's bandwagon, you'll be attacked by the scammer and his supporters. They'll try to smear you with labels: "Nasty Skeptic," "Oil Company Shill," "CIA infiltrator." Even worse, other undecided people will see this happen. Those others may leap on the bandwagon out of fear; to avoid being Accused Of Witchcraft as you were. (In some online communities, just one accusation of Skepticism will get you permanently banished, so it's no small thing.) If you see this ploy in use, then you're certainly dealing with a seasoned expert in con-artist tactics.

The inventor doesn't give out working copies of the invention to independent labs for testing (the hardware stays secret and untested.)

The inventor makes one statement, then contradicts himself later. This string of lies may not be obvious, but is revealed by comparing various statements. A classic version is "The idea was given to me by god" ...followed later by "I must keep the invention a secret so idea-theives can't steal it." (Hmmm. If god has gifted mankind with the secret of free energy, why is this guy keeping it hidden, and worse, trying to make money off it?!! Gifts from god are supposed to be CONTROLLED? And SOLD?!)

The inventor hasn't tried winning any of the FE device prizes. Back in the days of flying machines, the genuine inventors were all questing after the several major prizes. They didn't distain the prizes and make excuses for not competing. But scammers sure do!

I think what happens is these guys, as smart as they may be, start believing their own BS. Unremarkably, no one cites their papers. Must be something to do with handwaving vagaries of unbridled intuition attempting to substitute for work.

I've noticed every single free energy device or new technology has an accompanying article on a 'debunking' site screaming 'fake! hoax!'. This level of skepticism of assuming every single one is fake before giving it an honest chance makes me suspicious of the ones crying wolf. I'm sure there is some site somewhere explaining how channeling, possibly even the LoO is a hoax. So in my book it remains a 'maybe', unless I am presented with some actual info that specifically debunks it and not an article like this that is 90%+ the straw man routine. I had difficulty even reading through it because there is so much straw man. It's like the person browsed the Keshe website for 5 minutes thinking "uh oh, another scammer!" and just copy pasted a generic debunking after directly addressing Keshe with one or two sentences.

Are you really challenging me on semantics? Do you really think I meant that as 'Don't challenge certain people's opinions no matter what'?

Is the point of Bring4th to discuss free energy technologies? Have we been speaking about sending money anywhere?

What brought on this lengthy 'warning'? The fact that someone comes to the Bring4th forum, doesn't have anything to say about RA or the sessions in general, but has a whole whack of advice on how much to doubt everybody in the 'free energy' field doesn't make sense to me, so I inferred what I did.

I don't know where the intentions lie in all this. Most people who post here for the first time will say 'hi!' or mention it's their first time and are looking forward to joining the community. They might share something about themselves. These things matter to me when it comes to whether I take someone seriously or not.

I've actually seen others provide warnings about Keshe (he has been around for a while now), and well, his actions do indeed fit the role of a 'scammer' if you consider his claims. I think some people have been burned by the man's untrustworthy behavior and really feel they are doing people a service by voicing their criticisms. Not a particularly appealing reaction or a way to address the problem, to me either. However, I must say although I don't know the guy, to me some of his claims are ridiculous and dishonorable. I'm reminded of well-meaning societies with heart-felt sincerity completely destroying their civilizations - so perhaps some criticism should be welcomed.

But then it should be as Parsons stated - unique and tailored towards Keshe.

My big litmus test is purely the money issue. Is this person asking me for anything in return for what they are doing? In Keshe's case, the answer is no. In fact, he seems to want to share things with me and the rest of the planet fairly. I don't see where the danger fits in.

On the flip side, I have to consider the opposite - would there be people wishing to discredit Dr. Keshe? If he was truly looking to even the technological playing field between countries, would there be an interest in suppressing him? This is much easier to believe than some idea that Keshe is going to come after me in some way. Therefore, like Parsons said, until I am shown specific evidence against him and his work, I think he should get the benefit of the doubt. I wish him the very best.

As far as warning against giving money to free energy scammers, I think that goes without saying. It's called "free energy" for a reason, imo. Until something is well demonstrated, I will be weary of any group asking for money. I don't really have a problem with those who are not tho...

I realize this information can not be verified due to its origin, but it sure verifies my own logic/intuition. Take of it what you will.

(10-22-2012, 06:35 AM)godwide_void Wrote:

(10-01-2012, 09:25 PM)Parsons Wrote: Okay, One final transient question since I had this one chambered for awhile and its the most important "transient" one to me at the moment and then I will respect your wishes and try to stay away from transient questions: Is what the nuclear engineer MT Keshe claims to have achieved legitimate technology or is he a hoaxer? Has he / his foundation been able to change gases to solids at room temperature, create matter from energy, generate *electricity independent of conventional mainstream methods, heal the human body by returning it to it's 'blueprint' state, and generate their own gravity field via electromagnetism?

The technological and scientific claims made by this individual under the banner of his organization are legitimate with the exception that his advancements have achieved absolute perfection in their mechanisms and practical implementation although very substantial progress has been made within the testing phases which allows the solidification of his claims as having been achieved as being an essentially accurate one.

Bashar was asked about this guy and said he was legit. A google search didn't turn anything up, but I'll keep an eye out for it and if I find it, I'll post. I think I remember the Bashar playlist of videos it was in.

Yeah, must be Google searching and trolling all forums that post about Keshe. He was last online on his account when he registered. Pretty obvious smear campaigner. Actually lends slightly more credibility to him in my eyes... Someone who would go to the trouble must have an agenda to do so.

Parsons, i never said i agreed with Geoffrey. i merely wanted to bring his opinion to this thread so it wouldn't be one sided. i know i can be simplistic in my verbage, like condencing his respectful words into "he's a douche". that's my communication issue i know but you got way too defensive about it too imo. so i will not concede that i was all wrong. but i apologise for being a douche myself because i was stressed about other stuff and got irritable.

My knee jerk reaction to hearing of "free energy" technologies are a combination of curiosity, and facepalming.

Its kind of like when I was at Ft. Knox, and people would swap ideas of how wed knock over the gold depository. It was fun, but ultimately just nonsense. That said if this group is going to release the information on how it works (white paper or somesuch), I can hold off a little bit before passing judgement.

Quote:We are proud to announce that today 15.11.2012 the Nation of United States of America has received the USB stick containing all patents and blueprints of nuclear reactor plasma spaceship technology of the Keshe Foundation.

We welcome our American brothers in the family of the Keshe Foundations’ spaceship program and surely we will reach new horizons with the addition of American government and NASA to our family.

Note

Following My letter offering as a gift the spaceship program to the ambassador of USA in Belgium in late October, on the 6.11.2012 at 3.45 pm I was in receipt of an e-mail in response to this friendly offer from the USA embassy in Brussels.

The content of the e-mail from the embassy confirmed that USA is ready to accept the gift of the nuclear reactor plasma spaceship technology of the Keshe Foundation and in return e-mails immediately the date was agreed as was suggested by the embassy.

Today 15.11.2012 at 3pm at the appointed place the Director of the Keshe Foundation and the senior officer of the US embassy met in a friendly and cordially manner and the spaceship technology USB stick was handed over to the government of United States of America.

We have offered the US and NASA our full support for their development and deployment of this technology.

With this meeting and exchange of nuclear technology we hope to bring to an end the lasting apparent animosity between the two nations.

We shall build on this progress to bring peace into space for all nations.

I, as the Director of the Keshe Foundation and an Iranian nuclear scientist, would like to thank His Excellency president Obama for ordering such a move by his embassy.

In our meeting we have reached and extended the hand of peace from our side to His nation and I hope this will be reciprocated the same by his Excellency president Obama, now that borders have become meaningless with deployment of this new spaceship program and technology.

I thank the American ambassador His Excellency Mr. Gutman for this most gracious move and I am sure the first steps towards peace between two nations as is the wish of Iran has come to take shape.

(11-24-2012, 04:34 AM)Oceania Wrote: i don't like the sound of nuclear plasma reactor. why exactly is this a good thing?

Let us turn this around. Why exactly is this NOT a good thing? Of course, you would need to actually read more about this first (investing anything between 30 minutes and an hour of your time) to get past its title. I would suggest the following youtube video: