>>259811870Melee is faster than Brawl on a basic level, you do not need any sort of "advanced technique" to see that.Whereas characters in Melee can often be KOed at 90%, it takes 190% in Brawl. At a casual level.

>>259812360Well, none of us has really played Kerfuffle, so I think it's unfair to make that assumption. But, I'm pretty sceptical about it. I'm sure it's a good, fun game and all, but, I think I'll stick with Melee and PM after all.

Shulk: >He uses Captain falcons up B.>Uses a lot of Marth's and Link's moves.>Just stands there on the victory screen.

It goes right to Yoshi for no reason.Not to mention Shulk's audio is ripped directly from Xenoblade chronicles.

This is why I trust Sakurai, not any of these leaks:>Bowser Jr. is a skin for villager. Notice the boxing gloves and the bowling ball? The cannonball could be a skin for the rocket where the villager could ride on too.

>Shulk = Marth Why would they have the same up-special?

>Ganon = Cpt. Falcon. I don’t think I have to explain this one.

Potato quality, inconsistent camera work and timing, sound quality is off and unbalanced...

Shulk:>He uses Captain falcons up B.>Uses a lot of Marth's and Link's moves.>Just stands there on the victory screen.

It goes right to Yoshi for no reason.Not to mention Shulk's audio is ripped directly from Xenoblade chronicles.

This is why I trust Sakurai, not any of these leaks:>Bowser Jr. is a skin for villager. Notice the boxing gloves and the bowling ball? The cannonball could be a skin for the rocket where the villager could ride on too.

>Shulk = Marth Why would they have the same up-special?

>Ganon = Cpt. Falcon. I don’t think I have to explain this one.

Potato quality, inconsistent camera work and timing, sound quality is off and unbalanced.....

>>259814291Nice try. A few months back, someone posted a "leaked" video of a Chorus Man on the 3DS Balloon Fight stage. It was flocked to like moths to a flame, but it wasn't taken down by Nintendo. Weeks later, the same Youtube posted leaks for Shrek and Tomas the Tank Engine.

On the other hand, the video with Shulk, Lucina, Ganon, and Charizard WAS taken down by Nintendo. Why would it be taken down if it was fake?

>>259814849>It goes right to Yoshi for no reason.It's a video from someone claiming to be from the ESRB. They don't play the game. They get a video of the game's content to watch and put a rating on the game from there. It's going to have random cuts like that.

I definitely feel some of those characters could use tone downs, Mewtwo especially, but Brawl Metaknight is retarded. He's so good that he has a way to be invincible forever. He's so good they enacted a limit on ledge grabs just to make him less godlike.

>In any competetive game, people just learn and adapt to the new meta when the new installment rolls out>In Smash this is completely unheard of, however, and players of previous entries or fan mods DEMAND that their needs are metShigzshy

>>259810994I know you're reading this MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER !zAAj.twgB2 aka B.H.If you don't make an apology and post a full retraction for all the falsified information you have made up (including Ridley!), by the end of the day I am going to post all your personal information and you won't be able to hide anymoreYou heard me you little fucker, I thought we reached an understanding, if you want to keep your anonymity come on here with your tripcode and dispel the lies you've toldYou have made me very mad, very, very mad

>>259816360I'm not saying Ridley isn't in the game but I am saying the claims of DLC he made as well as the claims of Mach Rider, Ridley, Dixie, Chorus and Impa being the last five were completely false and he needs to #makeitright

>>259818210Means it wasn't ready, or that it now requires all ATs to be unlocked or simply because they showed a version with characters unlocked but not game modes (something that happens very often in game development to ease testing).

>>259818238>Even with two systems behind it, Smash 4 is going to be the lowest selling in the series>The netcode will still be horrible and unplayable>Sakurai goes into depression and swears it off forever>HAL and Retro make Smash 5

It's only going to take about 17 years but we'll finally get a good Smash again, guys.

shulk's circular down smash (or tilt) makes a full circle around him. marth and roy slash once on each side. shulk's up smash (or tilt) is way different than the fe characters. his down air is just like link's and his up b is just like marths, not falcon's.

it's an esrb dvd, so it would naturally go straight to some other clip.

villager isn't in project m. villager is only in the new smash, so it can't be a mod; the character isn't even out yet.

>>259820115not only tourneyfags are disappointed but regular smashfags are too.

Today everyone is fucking upset shit for brains.

>Dark Pit>Dr Mario>Wii Fit trainer>Rosalina>No Paintbrush Bowser Jr>Ice Climbers gone>Clone Luncina (I like her but she should have really replaced marth or stayed a skin)

Look at all that shit decision making on Sakurais behalf. I wouldn't be surprised if this REALLY was his last smash bros he would be directing because look how the fucking internet is reacting to all this shit.

So it's as shit as brawl, i remember how me and my friends went back to melee until the modders fixed brawl so it was actually playable.

i remember playing a lot as Donkey Kong back then, it was like jumping on the surface of the moon, i was such an easy target while trying to float down from the sky after being hit or whatever, so slow.

>>259823905It doesn't change the fact that most people that play Smash will associate Wario with the Mario series. They don't see Wario and say "oh, that's the guy from Wario Land/Wario Ware" they say "oh, that's evil Mario from Mario Party and Mario Kart".

>>259822851I saw thatit should have been the other way around. and the paintbrush should have been all of his melee and the clowncar should have been his B up, He could have painted a Cannon and ball.Where the fuck did the creativity go ?

>cuts a two-time veteran unique as fuck retro character>so he can put in 3 more Mario Characters

bullshit. Ice Climber shit is in Smash Run too, and he talks about developing them on the 3DS in an article back when the roster was already settled on. This leak is fake as shit. Throwing in shit like Ridley, Mach Rider, and Dixie is the leaker trying to ride his shitty followers for all they're worth. Same shit with the Gematsu leak, is being repeated once again. Thank fuck this shit isn't real

sonic was added somewhat last minute after he crushed a ton of character polls and they got the ok from sega. Mewtwo had by far the most work done on him of all of the forbidden 7. It's assumed that sonic took up the rest of the character dev time.

>>259828883yes, i'm sure someone was capable of and went through all the trouble of fabricating several gameplay videos with two new characters with new movesets, and faked nearly 40 images of screenshots

>Nintendo makes a game that sort of resembles an old one like Mario 3D World>REHASH NINTENDO WHY DO YOU MAKE THE EXACT SAME GAME PREORDER CANCELLED>Smash>FUCK NINTENDO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE IT EXACTLY THE SAME EVERY TIME

> a clone of Pit that is just Pit with black hair> a clone of Mario that is just Mario as doctor> a clone of Link that is just Link but smaller.> a clone of Marth that is just female Marth.> all these shitty clones

>>259831954Oh I don't have any feelings for Ridley one way or the other I just wanted to play off of your post. I was a Shulkfag anyway, though he looks somewhat uninteresting unless his stances are more meaningful than the clips made them appear.

>>259831906>>259831536i was at best buy and played both versions multiple times. both versions are faster than brawl. anyone who says otherwise is either lying or doesn't know what they're talking about

As if this is even shocking. I guess I'm surprised Sakurai didn't pick more obscure literally who characters, but I'm not shocked Kid Icarus jumped from 2 to 3.I'll get it for the 3DS, but just because I want to experience it firsthand.

>>259832541Brawl with better mechanics and some new characters who are beloved by fans and have effort put into them.

>>259832475Yeah, he was played by an AI that seems to most likely be on the lowest setting, but what moves he did use seemed like really canned swordsman stuff. From the look of it, he's stance based. Worst case it's purely damage ratios. Best case is something akin to Gen with multiple normals/jump arcs/etc.

>>259831994I don't have a problem with clones, but it is clones of characters that are already on the roster that bug me.

Clones are great ways to include a character people wanted without much effort, which is why I'm okay with Fox and Falco because Falco is a different character than Fox.

Dr.Mario, however, is stupid. We all ready have Mario so why make another. Same thing goes for Toon Link. They just feel like wasted space and I would trade them (and Dark Pit) for one new character even if that makes the roster smaller.

>>259831712>>259832294As a Melee tourneyfag, the only reason I was pissed about Falco's decloning is how many hours I put into him and I had to start from scratch. If I didn't play Falco, I wouldn't have given 2 shits about his moves changing.

>>259810994Yeah, it's the same floaty shit as Brawl, but did you see the little to no landing lag after shulk did that F-air? He does a roll right after landing. It still looks like a vast improvement. Not saying it will be competitive for long, but more fun

>>259810994>a match with people that probably have little to no skill at video gamesin not saying its as fast as melee but come on, if the people playing are anything like the treehouse people, they dont know shit about how to play

People complained when they cut Dr. Mario and Pichu and wanted them back. Now they complain just from seeing the portraits of Dr. Mario and Dark Pit and we don't even know if they have unique moves or not.

In my opinion, removing Dr. Mario was a step in the right direction. I think Smash Bros is a celebration of Nintendo, and character variety is important. I don't mind if we get clones, as long as they are different characters.

Dark Pit is walking a very thin line, because he's literally a black-haired Pit with an attitude, but Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor's coat. For fuck's sake.

The only people that want him are those that hate FLUDD. Sakurai should have had the spin as an alt move and the coat as an alt costume.

Can someone explain the DLC thing to me? I know the original pic leak had some text about veterans + Chorus men as DLC. Which i think could work as free updates that will be included with the WiiU game. But then there's the Ridley/Dixie/Metwo thing which supposedly is DLC too.

Which is real? I was in the original thread and i remember the veteran DLC post was the same tripfag, but i got confused at some point.

>>259842689Dr. Mario isn't worthy of being in Smash Bros. Do you want Metal Mario as a separate character too? He's literally just Mario in a different wardrobe. That's what he's getting at. Neither one of them deserves to be in.

>>259842918>Dark pit is his own character>his own characterCosmic Mario is "his own character." Dark Link is "his own character." Shadow Queen Pach is "her own character." None of them should be in Smash Bros unless they're fucking costumes.

I don't think Dr. Mario is a great choice either. But Dark Pit is pure nepotism wanking bullshit and you know it.

This is interesting if true, though I'd opt to point out that this isn't proof. There's too many potential problems with it.>Copyright Claims are piss easy to file on Youtube with or without the correct affiliation; claiming to be NoA would be easy>Concurrence of the text leak and the video leak does not make each individual leak more or less plausible; the video leak does not show the full text leak's worth of characters. They could easily be coincidental, especially since the characters shown in the video are considerably more plausible than many of the characters in the text leak.>None of the characters shown in the video had particularly unique mechanics, many had attacks visually similar or identical to existing characters. This could be explained due to it simply being short, or an earlier copy (placeholder animations are common, so the similarity of Shulk's Up+B to Marth's may be explained that way) but this doesn't lend it credibility. Without unique mechanics being made apparent, there's no sound argument through which it can be justifiably stated "this isn't faked".It's entirely plausible that this is real. It's entirely plausible that this is fake. There isn't any solid proof in either direction. The text leak lacks general plausibility; Sakurai has stated clones won't be present unless the gameplay is different which raises unanswerable questions about how Dark Pit would vary from Pit. Dr. Mario is the same. And... well, I'm skeptical as to the "Duck Hunt Dog" being present simply because we've seen visually convincing leaks in the past and I have no idea why anyone would expect such a character to be present. The Video Leak on the other hand is fairly convincing because all of the problems with it can be handwaved with untouchable claims but it also lacks decisive evidence.

So maybe, maybe not. I'll remain skeptical for the time being, partially because like almost every other "leak" it uses the 3DS version to obfuscate texture and model quality.

I can assure you the game isn't slow like that. I played a demo version during Japan Expo this summer and i was amaed at how fluid the game was ! I wanted to buy the Wii U version only but now I want both...

Which means if they showed a partially complete character select screen, that's all the ESRB knows about in terms of characters. We can basically assume that every "leaker" claiming to know the remaining 5 characters is lying

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