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2013-06-30 • SLATER • USCT research

*SunMornBrnch

vkn: Deannie thanx for your emai address. Granddaughter found a place!!!!! Celebrating 30 years www.linesballet.org The shared apt she found is at 6615 S Kimbark Ave, Unit #3 Chicago, IL 60637 I do so much appreciate your willingness to assist

alt: okay.. I wasn't sure.... thought it was Dunton, but these 'old eyes' sometimes see what they want to see.

vkn: Is FULCHER admin of Mary A Dunston estate ie is Mary deceased?

alt: I think Mary A. Dunston is .. Mary A. Fulcher and Wm Fulcher has been assigned the admin for her estate.

vkn: He [FULCHER] is listed as Trustee okies

alt: I think a Trustee in this instance is somewhat for an Adult what a Guardian is for a Junvenile. ????????

vkn: My wild guess/thoughts In the lst of slaves in the inventory of SlaTTer the first child is Mary

alt: like the property was in the name of Mary A. Dunston.... who is now Mary A. Fulcher that's how I 'read' it.

vkn: These slaves or at least Allegro is Black by choice Just suppose Mary is a sister to Allegro and Mary marries FULCHER ?????

alt: Is Allegro a child of relationship between a white man/enslaved black woman?

vkn: Bizarre but possible

alt: now that could be another scenario vkn.

vkn: white man and enslaved mulatto mother

alt: it is obvious that there is a relationship between Allegro & the Dunston/Fulcher combination.

vkn: I agree. I may try and make a trip to Milledgeville courthouse in September to try and determine I am also considering hiring a researcher to sort it all out

alt: this is similar to the Pratcher story that Melvin shared with us.. difference being Aaron Pratcher was a free black man and the mother of his children was an enslaved black woman...... therefore the children were born as enslaved persons and could be dispensed with as seen fit by Fannie's slave owner. hello keli1... good to see you, it's been awhle.

keli1: Good afternoon

vkn: Howdy keli1 how you be ?

keli1: Well I have not been able to get in -not understanding why on the new computer, can get on with ipad

alt: the mysteries of the computer age

vkn: Yes alt the Pratcher story is amazing

keli1: I am doing good! All is well here. How is everyone here? Art, I have downloaded the plugin 5x.

vkn: what is 5x

alt: vkn, as usual I have similar situation(s) in my family history... free/enslaved relationships between black men/women & white men/enslaved black women. LOL

vkn: I do appreciate your sharing those alt Case histories can most definitely be instructive for all

keli1: I have a question, found a civil war registration, but so far have not been able to document any service, any ideas, I am all over the place and can't find anything, there are 561 in white, 27 blacks with the same name

vkn: whoa!

alt: but that's "dry heat", right? LOL LOL

Selma: A dry Heat.. Lol

daviss: lol and hurtful heat

keli1: Art, he registered in Ohio, so I have checked 54th Mass & 27th

Selma: Are you going out today daviss..or do you stay in when it reaches 110

alt: have you checked the CWSS website to see if he actually served in the CW?

keli1: that is hurtful heat. geez.

Selma: Wow keli..you are being a revolving door

daviss: not unless it is straight to a mall and hang out lol lol

vkn: brb

alt: keli1, my ancestor from Ohio served with the 32nd Reg't out of PA.... so he wasn't in the 54th..55th...or the Ohio 5th or 27th.

keli1: yes, I checked, I think today when I viewed I noted in the list he is "colored" but in total numbers he is not, wonder if that is a hint to go back thru the white ones.

daviss: Keli1 do you have Fold3

keli1: yes I was on fold3 but have not checked 55 or 32. hmmm

alt: could be a possible keli1, there were 'colored' who served in white units... not usual, but it did happen, especially with fair-complexioned AA's.

Selma: Oh I have whats her names book..do you want me to check

alt: keli1, you can just check for the name & Union Army on the CWSS site, if he served he'll be listed regardless of unit.

Selma: Juanita Moss (suppose to have taken to library last month)

keli1: sure Joseph Brand Davis b. 1838 PA, was living in Canaan Twp, Wayne Co, Ohio at the time, 1863 again on ancestry 581 white, USCT 27 with the same names. I will check again on the CWSS site, it has been a while, this a wall stuck in my side and I need to get it out

alt: Oops, http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-soldiers.htm?submitted=1&SDkeyword=&SDOriginState_count=None+Selected&SDlName=davis&SDRankIn_count=None+Selected&SDfName=joseph&SDRankOut_count=None+Selected&SDsideName=U&SDfunction_count=None+Selected Joseph Davis who served with the union army

keli1: yes, I did locate one in the 55th KY yes lord, he was 24 when he registered

Selma: So what kind of record did you find for him keli?

keli1: nothing

Selma: Oh..

vkn: drats

alt: daviss, I checked your sister, my cousin out on Gedmatch.

keli1: I was trying to stick with the Ohio groups since he was there and he is the only colored on the registration sheet, but you know what, I might look thru the whole register for another colored and see what group they went to, its a long shot but worth it

daviss: lol alt

alt: for sure keli1, these men went all over the place (country) to join the USCT and the 5th & 27th from Ohio were organized rather "late" in the war

keli1: and he didn't register till 63"

daviss: so that should narrow it down some

Selma: What kind of "registration sheet" keli?

keli1: registration for civil war

alt: after '63 is when "most" blacks were allowed/required to register after passage of the EP.

Selma: Ok I guess I have not seen one Does he return to Ohio? after the War Isn't that when they got the bounty too alt?

keli1: I guess it is a registration where they kind of "signed up", June of 1863, yes if he served he returned to Michigan not Ohio

alt: yes Selma it was like the draft registration for me keli1 .. we had to 'register' at the time of our 18th birthday, doesn't mean we served.

keli1: I just keep getting info on the units/etc, but nothing to pinpoint him down and also checked pension and don't find anything, so I just have to assume he did not serve. thanks for the questions, it helps move thru this stuff true Art, he was 23, single, but married some time right after that, cause first born child was in 1864 in Mi

alt: and if he served he might not have received a pension keli1, but there would be a 'service packet'... my CW ancestor died before the pensions were authorized, so therefore no pension, but I have his service record.

keli1: I have a small timeframe gap, so that is why finding out if he actually served would make sense. thanks for all your input

alt: daviss.. I had a discussion with a DNA 'enthusist' of African descent... they said their DNA "proved" they were from Ethiopia... I asked why didn't it prove they were from Kentucky? end of discussion on what DNA proves LOL

Selma: Oh jeez alt

daviss: alt alt alt lol

keli1: LOL, love it! i love the DNA but also still maintain a bit of doubt, etc...but it is more of just not comprehending it is there a way to just search mustering out?

daviss: DNA does not lie but the roads are tangled and muddy to reach where we want to go

alt: the "compendium" that AYW always references has all of the units that served and the rosters of those who were mustered in/out but you need to know WHAT unit they may have served with to determine muster in/out status

keli1: but i don't know what unit he was in or what state the unit was from

alt: then you have a 'monumental task' in front of you

Selma: Was there some kind of CW vet group in the area in which he lived after the War keli You know they have those reunions

keli1: yes but just need to back in another way to locate it, I think researching the other colored that registered from the same area might help.

alt: like maybe a GAR unit in the Michigan area keli1

keli1: well what is interesting the veterans group in Benzie Mi always puts flags on his headstone, but can't tell me why or any reference, but he gets a flag, the others have military info on them

alt: oh, you might look for him on the 1900 census (?) the one that list CW veterans still living in the enumerated areas.