August 26, 2008

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John McCain came very close Tuesday morning to outright questioning Barack Obama’s patriotism, painting his Democratic rival as a detached, cocksure candidate who believes too much in internationalism and not enough in the stand-alone strength of America.

Speaking to a crowd of several thousand American Legion veterans at the Phoenix Convention Center, McCain went right after Obama’s strength — his rock star appearance in Berlin earlier this month, saying Obama “was the picture of confidence.”

“But confidence in oneself and confidence in one's country are not the same,” McCain said.

McCain’s campaign has insisted time after time that they’re not questioning Obama’s patriotism but merely his judgment, but McCain’s statements are designed to continue building the narrative that Obama’s campaign is about Obama and not America.

This was McCain’s first real public campaign stump speech in a week. Other appearances have been at fund raisers, and he hasn’t attacked Obama in days.

The core of McCain’s speech — focused on foreign policy and veterans' health — was aimed at dismissing Obama as an internationalist ignorant of the hard facts of history. He was interrupted several times by applause from a crowd of veterans who consider him one of their own.

“The Cold War ended not because the world stood ‘as one,’ but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership,” McCain said. “If I catch Sen. Obama's drift, then, our failure to ‘lead by example’ was the liberation of Iraq. And if he really thinks that, by liberating Iraq from a dangerous tyrant, America somehow set a bad example that invited Russia to invade a small, peaceful and democratic nation, then he should state it outright — because that is a debate I welcome.”

McCain believes Obama’s use of nuance on national security and diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited, and he’s trying to offer a simple, aggressive stance, even though McCain has been criticized for being too confrontational and even out of touch with the Bush administration’s response to the Russian invasion of Georgia.

“Confusion about such questions only invites more trouble, violence and aggression,” McCain said.

McCain also reiterated his promise to create a Veterans Care Access Card which would allow veterans without access to VA clinics to go to private health facilities for care.

This will be McCain’s last major public appearance before he announces his vice presidential pick on Friday in Dayton, Ohio. Later Tuesday, McCain will hold a fundraiser in San Diego, and Wednesday he’ll spend all day at his family vacation home in Sedona.

Obama's campaign responds with an invocation of Rove:

Hari Sevugan:

"The 'confusion' here is between John McCain rhetoric that no one's love of country should be questioned and the reality of his campaign's daily, false, personal and detestable attacks on Senator Obama. But it's not a surprising tactic from John McCain who is offering four more years of Karl Rove’s playbook to distract from his plan for four more years of George Bush’s failed policies which have left America far less secure and shredded our alliances in the world. In contrast, Barack Obama has called for strong American leadership and renewing strong alliances to finish the fight against al Qaeda and press Russia to live up to its obligations,”

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I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country?

He is one crazy old coot. So in a war that yes, had a huge American component but also featured enormous losses from other Allied countries -- when speaking of WWII in GERMANY he rips Obama for not being a nationalistic gloryhound?

I look forward to the McCain Diplomatic Corps, which will mainly consist of sneering and kidney punches. Sigh.

Lol, MY Friends., Let me answer your question with a story I have memorized.
A story that my campaign advisor told me to say. I was a POW. I was Tortured. I want to be President. My FRiends.
Let me answer your next question with another story. My Friends. When I was a POW.
____........Is that the only relative experiance he has to site? Dont get me wrong., Obama isnt any better. Neither candidate is right for the Job in my Opionion. I would of taken Huckabee or Hillary over these two any day.
http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html

This is exactly the exceptionalist attitude that has made it impossible for America to get anything done or exercise any influence in the world community. Our unwillingness to participate meaningfully in international institutions, acknowledge international law in general, or lead by entering into binding agreements has cost us our moral authority. The world no longer looks to us for leadership. Apparently McCain thinks belligerence and going it alone are virtues, and that is precisely why Americans will reject him and his irresponsible neocon foreign policy on election day. McCain has so far been wrong, and Obama right, on every foreign policy decision debated in this election. How long until the media stops calling him an "expert"

So, John, if deposing a tyrant is the single greatest thing the US can do, why haven't we invaded Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, China, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Syria, North Korea, etc. If this is how John McCain views the world and the US' place in it, we are in for truly dark days.

What a doofus he is! I didn't think it was possible to be more aggressive or simplistic than Bush... how has McGrumpy found a way to do it? I guess senility has a way of warping the world... does he really think that America alone solved the cold war?? What a pompous nazi.

Awesome insight by McCain, "If I catch Sen. Obama's drift, then, our failure to ?lead by example? was the liberation of Iraq. And if he really thinks that, by liberating Iraq from a dangerous tyrant, America somehow set a bad example that invited Russia to invade a small, peaceful and democratic nation, then he should state it outright ? because that is a debate I welcome." That's the problem with the radical anti-America left...any use of American power is wrong and is used to excuse others' actions. This moral equivilance is wrong but yet Obama believes it. Good for McCain for pointing this ideological point out.

Right on McCain! Hit him where he is he weakest. Americans must come to understand how dangerous Obama is to our security. Currently we have soldiers going after McCain, we have his connections to domestic terrorist Ayers being examined. Obama's naive understanding of the worlds players also needs to be illuminated. ALSO, Obama was saying the other day that we should copy China and Russia. The media has not reported this, and it also needs to be more exposed. Obama is a very dangerous liberal with only 143 days experience in the Senate. He is NOT READY for the WORLD STAGE. Gallop poll has McCain up by two point this morning.

McCain's simplistic world view is dangerous for America. While his time as a POW four decades ago does warrant respect, it does not make him qualified to be POTUS. McCain's voting record for veteran's issues and our military is atrocious. This isn't speculation, it is documented. It is about time that the veterans call him on it and peel the bark off of this faker. As a veteran and former POW, Sen. McCain should be ashamed of Sen. McCain.

PRG...so you feel the Cold War was ultimately a "good thing" then? McCain seems to imply in this speech that the US in fact rules the world. He's a fool. Unfortunately, he's a dangerous fool. I personally will do everything in my power to resist this warmongering clown if he tries to get my fellow citizens killed because the only way McCain can get hard is by military conflict.

Martin, how is stating facts "questioning patriotism"? Obama did say that "standing as one" ended the cold war, which is malarkey. He did say that russia invaded georgia because the US invaded Iraq. If there is an honest difference of opinion and historical fact, it doesn't question BHO's patriotism.

Cee..it's not "moral equivalence". Russia used our exact same rationale for invading Iraq as a justification for invading Georgia. The use of American power isn't always wrong, but using military force as the solution for every world crisis is foolish and dangerous. I think Americans do have a very misguided belief that this country is invincible and impervious to harm. I think the 4,600 dead troops in Iraq might beg to differ.

As usual, the libs can't refute the truth, so they use the tired democrat stategy of personally attack McCain. They are talking about his age and his SHOES! SHOES! Not about what he said, which is proof enough this is going to leave a mark.

People crack me up when they talk about McCain not knowing how to use a computer. DO YOU know who else does NOT know how to use a computer? DONALD TRUMP!! Yes, the "DON" does not know how to use a computer. He refuses to even keep one in his office. LOL! You people are so FUNNY.

Well well, It seems Senator McCain wants to give a veterans health card for those to get care. What he doesn't say is that this card will go only to certain vets! Those that were in harms way and only if certain peramitters are met. He truly does not intend to give this assistance to all vets! In fact he only supports those in combat ops. So lets see, that's about 1 in 10. McCain is one of those guys that believe in the hierarchy of where you served and what you did, and does not think all veterans as one or equal. Someone needs to call him on these facts!

This "will be McCain?s last major public appearance before he announces his vp pick on Fri in Dayton. Later Tues McCain will hold a fund raiser in San Diego, and Weds he?ll spend all day at his family vacation home in Sedona." Wow! Pace yourself, McCain -- all this resting makes me tired. Jmart, can you please assign these homes a number so we know which one is which, and where? Is the vacation home something different from the ranch where you attend your bbq's? I thought the vacation home was on the beach, hmmm, or was it the one on the lake with the mountain view? This is hard! Sooo many homes -- I can't keep 'em straight either.

STRANGELOVE AKA McCANE IS A COWARD, UNPATRIOTIC, ADULTEROUS, IGNORANT IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A DEADLY COCK TAIL OF BUSH, CHENEY, HAGEE, WARREN, KEATING, RUMMY, ROVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SWISS CHEESE CANDIDATE !!!!!
HE IS SO DUMB THAT HE THINKS THE WORLD IS STILL STUCK IN 1960s!!!!!!!!!

jgreeting--- said---Our unwillingness to participate meaningfully in international institutions,---- what international institutuions-- the one where we get penalised for energy consumtion and the rest of the world does not (Kyoto--?) please specifically address which internationial institutions, because I believe you are fart in a windstorm. also, this quote--acknowledge international law in general-- what international law are you referring to---? Do you have any idea or just parakeeting--specifically what is your factual example.. I continue to quote jgreeting here--lead by entering into binding agreements has cost us our moral authority.-- how much more generalised you can get--- our 'moral authority' define that-- what is our 'morale authority' over the world...and how is it the rest of the world isnt allowed to have a 'moral' with out our authority-- my point here is-- those words have no meaning. Not done, I have so much more to quote, LIKE THIS GEM; "The world no longer looks to us for leadership" i almost spewed coffee across the room when I read this one. Where do you get your information from? Site specific examples of the world does not look to us for leadership, I mean I guess your right-- Russia didnt look to us for leadership when they decimated georgia--- but, hey the NATO alliance, and EU-- what did they wait for--- you know what they waited for--- UNITED STATES. To say we dont lead the free world-- just look at what is happening in the black sea and see who is taking a leadership role-- how many US Navy ships are there now-- threee at least. You say Obama has been right on every forign policy--- what? You are nothing but an immature juvenile with a key board that has some illusion of granduer, your rhetoric is BS, your logic has no merit. My first assumption of your ragged post is probably the best--- you have no clue to world events, your education level you demonstrate is at about the 6th grade level and your opinion is insignificant. pffffffft. I am ashamed I even wasted my time with your silly sheeple diatribe.

McMilitary McCain looked totally pathetic at his infidelity 2nd wife's high school yesterday, the teenagers couldn't wait for him to leave. McCain is soooo out of touch with most age groups in the country and its so obvious. Donald Trump doesn't have a computer in his office you say? WHO CARES! Trump is a real estate mongol, and McCain is running for president of the USA. There's a big different! McMilitary McCAIN has no clue how to use a computer, he still uses his 1947 Corona Typewriter!!!!!

God forbid we inject nuance and sophistication into something as complicated as foreign policy!
One day, McCain is complimenting his honorable opponent, and the next he's back questioning his patriotism. Which is it? Sounds a lot like the campaign strategy of Hillary Clinton.

DONT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MCCAIN HE WAS A POW...HMMM OR WAS HE? WHY DID THE ENEMY SHOOT HIM DOWN, THEN SAVE HIM? WHERE ARE THE OTHER POWS?HOW COME EVERYONE ELSE'S SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY IS DISCREDITED WHEN MCCAIN IS CHALLENGED?-----FISHY AINT IT

McCain's speech indicates a particulary dangerous and counterproductive attitude. By framing the Cold War as being exclusively a United States victory, McCain is signalling to our European allies that the US is going to be the sole policymaker in regards to Russia. Basically telling Europe before you even take office that they aren't equal partners is a disaster waiting to happen.

Pathetic. John McCain loves to hear himself talk, and loves to brag about his POW story. His first act if he is elected will most likely be to build a monument to himself. People are a lot smarter than this joker thinks.

McCain's unwavering support for the Iraq war shows he cares more about the well-being of Iran than American soldiers. Shiite Iran is the only beneficiary of our occupation. Either McCain is still confused over the distinction between Sunni and Shiite now that Lieberman has left for Georgia, or he is openly supporting Iran.

"McCain believes Obama?s use of nuance on national security and diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited, and he?s trying to offer a simple, aggressive stance," A simple aggressive stance is very much Bush/Cheney. I hope McCain chooses Petreaus as VP. Hopefully it will be clear that we will be using military force as a primary approach in foreign policy. At least people can vote knowing the costs of war will continue or increase. We need to make a clear choice this time. If we want to be a country that invades, then let's have a consensus.

I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country?
Posted By: Dan NYC | August 26, 2008 at 01:28 PM
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DanNYC, I question YOUR patriotism. Did you lace up boots and serve your country? Have any of your children lace up boots to fight the GWOT? What have YOU personally sacraficed since 9-11?

John Mcshame is a pathetic senile old coot.If this old fart gets to the white house we are all done. Everything with him is war, bombing and killing.He is reading these fake polls that the media trools keep touting, and getting drunk by his on rethoric.John Mcshame wants to blow some county up so bad he is tasting it. I know one thing if he trys it with Russia we are doomed.

I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country?
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Dan, what have you done to show your patriotism? Have you served in the Armed Forces? Tried to give back to your community or even tried to give back to your country in any way? Who are you (and McCain) to question his patriotism? I'm white, but I'm truly starting to think that all this "patriotism" talk is because of his color, not his character.

John MCCain has lost his patriotism or he would have to use Vietnam as a crutch for the election. He says that he doesn't like to talk about it but he uses his time in Nam every freakin day. We're sick of it. For everyone that served in Nam and didn't marry a rich bimbo; shut the hell up John.

"As usual, the libs can't refute the truth, so they use the tired democrat stategy of personally attack McCain. They are talking about his age and his SHOES! SHOES! "
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And, how exactly, was a political ad with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton talking about the issues?
Let's face it, McCain's camp started this nonsense and continues with it each day.

The whole "questioning of patriotism" stuff is so overblown. It is becoming like race. Any talk even close to what one person might consider offensive to the other and the other side screams, moans and cries. Stand for what you blieve and don't play the victim.

I don't know how McCain can look himself in the mirror. His not running an honorable campaign. Why don't you tell us McCain how we would be better off being a "stand alone" country in the 21st century?

Unfortunately, McCains storyline is still playing without challenge. I watched him on Leno last evening and the audince ate him up. He use being a POW as an excuse for the many homes he lives in with C. McBeer. The media should pick up on this guy being an *imp. He left his first wife to marry this young woman who did not know how old he was at the time. How in this world do youo have $14MM in homes on a $160K salary. He has no business interest no savings account and so on. Something is very fishy about McPimp.

I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country? Posted By: Dan NYC | August 26, 2008 at 01:28 PM _______________________________ DanNYC, I question YOUR patriotism. Did you lace up boots and serve your country? Have any of your children lace up boots to fight the GWOT? What have YOU personally sacraficed since 9-11?
Seattle Liberal - I have served , my boys have served in the Navy. and McCain will CREAM your Anti-American Marxist friend in November.
BTW - there seems to be no shortage of anti-Americans posting today. All of you need to study a little history. No - ALOT of history. Bottom line - MCCain gave a good speech this morning.

From Andy Borowitz, it's not hard to imagine this given the way McCain is going:
August 26, 2008
New McCain Ad Attacks Obama Kids
Cute, Not Ready to Lead, Ad Claims
In what might be his most controversial attack ad in a campaign dominated by them, presumptive G.O.P. presidential nominee John McCain today launched a new TV spot attacking Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill)'s two children.
According to political insiders, a negative ad targeting a rival's offspring is highly unorthodox, especially when the children in question are under the age of ten.
But after the two Obama kids scored in their performance on national television last night at the Democratic convention, "we had to do something to give the American people some straight talk on those two brats," Sen. McCain said today.
In the ad, which is being broadcast in key swing states, an announcer intones, "They're the cutest children in the world - but are they ready to lead?"
The spot uses visuals to link the two Obama kids to other famously cute kids, such as the young Drew Barrymore and the Cabbage Patch dolls.
The commercial goes on to blast the Obama children for "smiling and giggling but refusing to state their position on offshore oil drilling."
While some critics questioned how well the ad would play in living rooms across America, Sen. McCain defended it, telling reporters, "It played very well in all of my living rooms."

I dunno...this doesn't sound like questioning Obama's patriotism to me. It *does* sound like the 'strong and wrong' stance that Bill Clinton said (at the DNC in 2004) that Americans often prefer. I bet McCain gets mileage out of this pitch with that part of the electorate.

McCain is showing himself to be exactly the lying kind of politician he used to condemn, or he in is old age is becoming a stupid as his bovine supporters. Whatever. He has destroyed his legacy. The "maverick" is just another self-serving, lying American politician.

I'd love to hear a debate with Obama explaining how America is just like Putin's Russia and McCain defending America's actions. Watching Kennedy last night, it saddened me that one of the last liberals that actually feels a strong love for this country was leaving. I don't agree with all his politics but at least he cared about this country. The new breed liberal has an utter disdaine for this place, that's what this mantra of 'change" is all about and I can't even believe that a guy that dislikes his country as much as Obama does, is in a deadheat for the presidency in August. This country has lost it's pride and it's guts. It's sad. Hopefully McCain can pull it out, for the sake all of our sake.

Its getting to the point that everything McMilitary McCain says is funny to the point of being sad. If this nut case gets into office well America wouldn't even have France & Britain as allies, NATO has already said that Russia should not be kicked out because of the conflict with Georgia, SO that should tell Americans how much we are supposedly feared & loved around the world. America has little credibility since the Iraq invasion AND will have even less if nut case "GIVE ME MY GI JOE DOLL BACK" McCain is elected. Hey you McMilitary McCain backers, have you ever seen a draft card?

AkaDad, The Chicago media investigated? Well then it must be settled. .... of course that is Obama's problem. It hasn't been settled. He bought a house with the help of a criminal that bribed politicans. Obama also wrote a letter on behalf of Rezko developments. It stinks of Chicago politics and it is still an open issue.

I saw a post by Dan announcing that McFool was up 46 to 44 in the latest gallup poll. Dan, did you happen to see the state by state #'s which in case you weren't aware, is how a president is actually elected? After weeks of negative ads in Pennsylvania, guess what? Obama 49 McJerk 42. Americans are really smarter than you hoped. Sorry.

Snakeoil, considering that the US currently tortures prisoners at Gitmo, we are no longer to ever criticize another country's human rights record without looking like quite the hypocrites. We've ceded our leadership position in most sciences, because the GOP views religion as being more important than science. We've ceded our leadership position in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because we refuse to hold Israel accountable for anything. We've ceded our position as a beacon of freedom, because we spy on our own citizens without warrants and place our own citizens on terror blacklists without either charging them with a crime or even letting them see the evidence against them. By the way, snakeoil, you have noticed our national debt and budget deficit. You know how we haven't plunged into a depression? By getting loans from China. Because of our wreckless spending in wars of choice and not of need, we've ceded our position as a world economic leader. But go on, snakeoil, wave that flag...shout "USA....USA...USA..." if that makes you feel better. I'm sorry, Snakeoil, but we're the enemy now. Us. This country. We're the bad guys. Yet we strut around and beat our chests and scream at the world "why don't you love us???!?!??!"

DanNYC,
how about doing a little research first before making a fool of yourself. acommunity organizer makes barely 20k a yr, this is a guy who came out of law school and could have been making 250K. so in order to be patriotic, you have to serve in the military, friends with Ayers, a man who did something when he was 8 yrs old? Are you for real, wuit being a jackass and tell me about your patriotism, served did you? any suspicious relationships? you agree with your preacher and pastor all the time, friends with anyone who did something illegal or wrong in their past?
come back when you have a valid argument, if Obama is guilty by association, we all are guilty in this country, starting with you!

DAN NYC - I question your patriotism. Your writing are treasonous to me and have not place in our "one nation under god" that is indivisiable by even you. How dare you throw baseless comments around with no proof or facts to back them up. If you really want to sound educated on the issues check out factcheck.org and become informed about the number of lies being spread. Fact Check doesnt' take sides it just questions the comments of the campaigns and gives you the facts. That way we won't have to have you tried for treason without proof of same. Doesnt' feel too great does it.

Patriotism, McCain style. 1. Bomb everything. 2. Torture prisoners 3. Preemptive wars 4. Spy on Americans without getting a warrant. 5. You're either with us, or against us. 6. Bin Laden must be in Iraq. 7. We hate the world, but expect them to do as we say.

Look. McCain was a POW. He sang like no other POW, which is why he is trying to muzzle other POWs and their families who will finally blow the whistle. Also, he started the fire that killed 132 shipmates on the Forrestal; daddy admiral got him out of there.
He needs to keep his stained fly closed, which is why Cindy is on a trip to Georgia--to pave the way for Cheney next week. McCain knows nothing else but war. He is also quickly dementing, and now defacating at the thought of a debate. He is a liar, a faker, and person who gave away US government secrets while a prisoner. Those who follow him are complicit in horrendous crimes.

McCain is always harping about judgement.
Here is what the Senate Select Committee on Ethics concluded about McCain's conduct in the Keating Five Scandal: "The Committee concludes that, given the personal benefits and campaign contributions he had received from Mr. Keating, Senator McCain exercised poor judgment."

McCain is running pretty close to triggering another Obama hissy fit.
How dare McCain mention Obama's
" Apologize for America " World Tour ?
Obama will probably demand that the Germans and the French make McCain stop talking about his past and positions.
Bawling Obama and Blubbering Biden are a perfect pair.

One of the comments said, "I do question his patriotism. ...What does he have that shows he does love this country?" - Under that criteria, I'd ask that commenter to tell me what makes him a Patriot. What has he done? Are the 300+ Million people in America who haven't been in the Military Patriots? It's a rediculous comment made from ignorance and partisan spite. I'm not voting for McCain because I disagree with his stance on the issues (when he's details a stance, rather than attack his opponents)... but I don't think that McCain doesn't love his country.

"The good news for McCain is that they are all younger than him!"
yeah.. he's got biden beat by almost 6 years ! hahaha... don't you guys think it might be time to drop the 'he's old' meme now that your guy is too ?
and btw, it's 'younger than HE'

This is a real speech by a real american... As i said last week to the Obamanuts on this forum McCain would be up in the polls this week. Obama has no chance not ever with his week pick Bidon. Socialism is dead, but then again the Obamanuts did not get the memo...

snakeoilforsale, were you getting attacked by a dog while replying to me? Could barely read your hideous scrawl. To answer your questions, our moral standing in the world is directly related to how often our actions match our stated principles and how often we lead by example. If our foreign policy is supposedly democracy promotion, how can we promote the virtues of such a system when we have to explain away our own disgraceful policies like the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, and denial of habeas corpus in America. How can we fight human rights abuses and hold dictators accountable when we ourselves torture detainees and allow the CIA to perform extraordinary renditions to secret prisons or start preemptive wars? My point is that we routinely ask other countries to live by a standard of openness and government accountability. Our words only carry so much power when it is clear that we embody our own advice. If other countries see the US violate the Geneva Conventions, demand other countries make progress on climate change while we make no such commitment, and pass laws curtailing individual privacy and liberty, we lose a key component of American soft power. Aggressive unilateral military action is not sustainable as the centerpiece of US foreign policy as John McCain obviously thinks it is.

Is he running to be president or Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Why is killing a better method to conflict resolution than talking? Here is some financial advise, if he's elected president, put your money in commodities because they are going to go skyhigh. $5 gas anyone?

"The good news for McCain is that they are all younger than him!"
yeah.. he's got biden beat by almost 6 years ! hahaha... don't you guys think it might be time to drop the 'he's old' meme now that your guy is too ?
and btw, it's 'younger than HE'

I am rapidly losing my respect for John McCain.
Not only has he started exploiting his time as a POW to deflect any and all criticism (it has become an embarassment!), I don't even think he understood what Obama said in that speech in Berlin.
McCain says: "The Cold War ended not because the world stood ?as one,? but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership,?
...that is the world standing together as one you imbecile! Obama has advocated American leadership and his comments echoed JFKs 'Ich bin ein Berliner' speech in that it recognised the solidarity of the people of West Berlin, the West in general, and especially America during the Berlin Airdrop in standing up to the Soviet Union.
Then McCain goes on to say: ?If I catch Sen. Obama's drift, then, our failure to ?lead by example? was the liberation of Iraq."
No John, you don't catch his drift...that's the problem! 70% of Americans believe the war in Iraq was a mistake, a strategic blunder, and you can't just concoct some shaky argument that the war in Iraq wasn't sold on false premises and expect everyone to criticise Obama for opposing it!
I doubt McCain even read the speech and that's why he makes such contradictory remarks with apparent ease.

I'm amazed at how cowardly GOPers really are... "Oh save me! Boo-hoo I'm scarted of scary Russians, oooh... that kook in Iran make me quake! Oh... oh I just soiled myself, a new bin laden tape!" Grow a pair you sissies. I remember when you didn't need the geovernment to make you feel safe & secure.

I am very sorry that McCain had to endure a long stretch as a POW. However, that hardly qualifies him to be president. His judgment was on display when he hotdogged on the USS Forrester and caused a massive fire on the deck. His record has other sad incidents of very poor judgment and hotdogging. And then a 43 year old dumping his disabled wife for a rich 25 year old raises judgment questions. His involvement in the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan, costing taxpayers $3.3 billion, also raises very serious questions about his judgment and experience. My friends, you might also take a look where his young wife's daddy got his money. The source is the Mafia. And her daddy did a stretch in the pen because of that. Judgment my friends?

Its so scary to read some of these posts from the mcsame brainwashed crew. These people REALLY want another republican in office. They REALLY want things to stay the same they believe in the status quo, and if their doing good then everyone must. The Repugs are a party of hate and bigotry, being a child of gay parents i have seen this first hand. IF YOU ARE NOT RICH WHITE STRAIGHT MALE AND PROLIFE YOU ARE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN TO REPUBLICANS! THEY DO NOT VOTE IN YOUR FAVOR!

Yes have the debate. The other blogger is precisely right. There are lots of tyrants out there. Its not our job to go after them. Read Pat Buchanan on the subject - we are NOT an empire. Buchanan is right. Did you know Randy Schneurman who works for McCain is a paid shill for the Georgia government. Who'll get rich off these oil (and oil pipeline) wars?

"McCain = more dead soldiers!"
ummm... you DO know that barack wants to send MORE troops to afghanistan, right ?
.. and note to 'dan' ..read a comment all the way through before you react. i was saying that this talk about mccain's age is ridiculous, especially now in light of biden being about the same age... and having been in the senate longer to boot ! so much for 'change'.. haha

Uh...Mr. Martin, to "take after" means to resemble. For example, "Little Timmy takes after his father." I believe "goes after" (to attack) is the phrase you are looking for.
"McCain GOES AFTER Obama in Legion Speech."
It's kind of a big difference.

Borrowing from Joe Biden, -- a noun, a verb, and POW in Vietnam -- that is McCain's response for anything. For McCain the only important issue is Obama is unpatriotic and McCain was a POW. Will the Americans fall for these dirty tricks once again? Hope the youngsters will rescue us from the middle-class blue-collar white voters (a code MSM uses for racists, even though I am sure there are lot of decent people in this category and lot of racists outside of this category).
-- Nara

I question McCains patriotism. How much did he tell the enemy when he was in the POW camp? Was he a camp spy? We keep talking about a hero. he might have been a Benidict Arnold. He believies in outsourcing Americans jobs to socialize other countries,and allow America to sink into the toilet. He is a traitor. Being a soldier and an outsourcer of American jobs does not qualify you for POTUS. You are more qualified to be deported to China. Starting and prolonging a war for profits for Contractors,and Haleburton is a sin. Mccain is the worst traitor and unpatriotic person on this earth. Ship this guy and his party to Russia,or China. I would also question his character as a person and a man. When you use slime,and smut to run an election,you should not run for any American political office. We are tired of job being shipped overseas for greed. blue collar workers in Pa,Ga,Ohio, Nev,Tenn,and other states can use some of that 100 million he has to build up those states. Those ten homes can help squatters who jobs was shipped to China. Obama is the only classy ,patriot,and good citizen to be POTUS.Obama'08

snakeoilforsale said "also, this quote--acknowledge international law in general-- what international law are you referring to---?"
I can answer that. There's the Geneva Convention - Bush decided to ignore that one. And the International Criminal Court - Bush said he didn't recognize that one. Which brings us the question of moral authority. The ICC filed charges against President Omar al-Bashir of Sudan for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The Sudanese ambassador called the charges a "joke" and cited America's withdrawal from the ICC as an example of whe Sudan doesn't recognize the ICC. When nations around the world see the US flouting established international laws and treaties, they wonder why they should abide by these same rules. That's what's called "moral authority" and "leadership" in the world community and it's exactly what the GOP is against.

"McCain = more dead soldiers!" ummm... you DO know that barack wants to send MORE troops to afghanistan, right?"
Posted By: el polacko | August 26, 2008 at 03:21 PM
You mean the guys that attacked US citizens on American soil, and the country that harbored them? THAT Afghanistan? What a novel idea. Use our military in defense of OUR nation.

As a McCain supporter, I am disappointed in his use of attack ads and falling back on being a POW rather than talking about real differences in policy...and there are many. Maybe you can scare people into not voting for Obama, but better they vote FOR you not against Obama.

Hey Dan in NYC, I question your intelligence. Since when did serving in the Army make you a better candidate? Did you vote for Kerry in 04? If not, please stop with the Obama because we all know how you feel. You don't like McCain, you hate Obama. Sad.

So -is this the SAME McCain that said he had 'never questioned Obama's patriotism? or is this the OTHER McCain that can't STOP questioning Obama's patriotism. Oh yeah, this is the guy that spent 5.5 years in the Hanoi Hilton, what was it? 50 years ago? Too bad other Republicans think that is a long time ago - especially the one quesitoning Max Clegland about HIS patriotism. The ole GOP not as I say, but what I say deal?

Old Man Yells at Cloud!
Seriously, his this whole campaign been reduced to a noun, a verb, and POW? America truly does get the leaders we deserve, and if this warmonger gets elected, we are all in a lot of trouble.

Um, does John McCain realize that it was Reagan's very willingness to negotiate (and go against the advice of his fellow conservatives) that helped lead to the end the Cold War?
And do the Vets realize that it was John McCain who recently voted against a new GI Bill that would allow our young men and women who have served our country can go to college? Obama of course voted for it. That's why he leads in donations from Americans serving in the military and McCain does not.
Those serving realize 100 years more in Iraq will not help defend our great nation.

McCain is sounding like Bush. "America need standing alone strength." Look at America today. All our troops are in war,or at home preparing to return to war. All our funds are going to Iraq. So where in the world is Mccain is going to get the money and troops to fightg another war? he think fighting war with Russia is a sure bet for profit. This guy is more dangerous than GWB. He wants America to be the "Lone Ranger again". These Pubs have lost their minds. Mac is worst than Hilter. He will put our country and families in harms way. Thank God for smart voters and Obama. These creeps can not get into office. obama'08

Since when do we invade nations to depose "dangerous tyrants" and, if that IS our foreign policy, are we going to war soon against other tyrant nations? Agaiants Hugo Chavez? Against Kim Jong-Il? Against Robert Mugabe? Against the military junta in Myanmar? What rubbish!

Het no name, the world did NOT stand as one to end the cold war, it was a war, you are the idiot....I dont remember The Soviet Union, China, North Korea,East Germany, Cuba ect being particularly helpfull, or standing as one, in fact they stood in DIRECT OPPOSITION....thats why we called it the cold WAR!

I have run into people that say that they will not vote for a president that has not served in some form of the military. I find that odd as I base patriotism on more important parts of life than just the military aspect. That said, I challenge Obama's patriotism based on his frequent comments that oppose the standard definition. It's not that he speaks against it...afterall we are a country that was established through idealism and revolution. The "love it, or leave it" mentality has become split nearly down the middle by two very dissimilar trains of thought. This has never been more evident than in the past two presidential elections. This election will be no different and will only further deepen the chasm that has formed between the conservatives and the liberals. Emotions will continue to run high. How will we ever achieve bipartisonship with this much angst?

Captain America is so PROUD, he's going to get us in another war.
He is so PROUD of our foreign policy, he cannot see the blunders of our recent ways in Iraq and now Georgia.
McSame is too PROUD to see why hundreds of thousands of Europeans turn out to see Obama overseas because they HOPE an America lead by Obama can mend its Bush-Cheney ways.
McSame's so PROUD of our economy, he cannot see that Americans who have far fewer than seven homes are struggling to keep one roof over their head.
Forget meeting the payments on the private jet. A corporation built on beer covers that.
McSames' kind of pride is blind. His Bush-Cheney policies are ruinous.

Obama watches a woman being raped. Asked if rape is morally wrong, replies "That question's above my pay grade." maybe he does need a little more life experience. Maybe he would be able to see the difference between Iraq and Georgia!

I think Jack Cafferty of CNN said it best, "John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet." I would hope that this would be an issue with voters...

I want to make sure i understand this. Is McCain saying there is no value in our alliances? Is he saying that the only thing that matters is how strong we are and that our relationship with our allies is completely irrelevent? Because that is a truly dangerous position to take.

McCain needs to keep doing what he's doing. Any reasonable person can see that the Obama campaign is about Obama, not America. Unfortunately, there are a lot of unreasonable people out there, especially in the media, and it's up to John McCain to spell it out to them. Then, of course, Barack cries about how his feelings are hurt and how John needs to tell the world he's patriotic. Only fools don't get it by now.

Why is it that anything that challenges the ideals of some people is "un-American"??? Are we reduced to such uni-vision that we can't take off our blinders long enough to acually see what is going on? All I can say is careful of that heavy at 3 o'clock.....

THIS is the best the republicans could do?...A "Patriot??!!" You have got to be kidding, "Songbird" McBush committed treason while being held a POW (let's hear an honest chat about that, Johnny)...Instead of talking about him occupying the Oval Office, we should be talking about why he wasn't hung, like other traitors to this great Country! We the people of the USA have been held as POW's by the McBush regime for the past 7 years. It's time to save our Country and be released from the shackles of the McSame tyranny

McCain is a joke.
An old man with no ideas.
Graduated almost last in his academy class.
Votes with Bush 95% of the time.
Was un-faithful to his first wife.
His crashed 4 planes before he was shot down.
He was one of only a few that was broken by his integrators and he made 52 anti U.S. propaganda movies.
Why are all his Viet Nam records locked away?
Why can?t we get his military mental evaluations?
Flip flops on every issue.
Does nothing for our troops except denies them raises, benefits, armor and healthcare.

Joe Biden attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85. He was flunked from one class and almost expelled from law school, over an academic cheating incident of plagiarism. Not learning from his mistakes, Biden plagiarized a UK politician's speech almost word-for-word during his 1988 campaign for president.

If McCain is elected, he will keep the US involved in wars, he has a violent mind and his answer to everything is either war or him being a POW.I understand why they will not let him answer questions because of his campaign being afraid of what he may say. He talks about no issues, him and his campaign does nothing but attack. He has no ideas. He ads that his campaing runs are ads that make no sense that target American people with no intelligence. This election is very simple, How is the economy and everything working for you, if you are better off now than you was 8 years ago then vote for McCain. This is what the experience can do. Why would the people that are not better off continue to let the same set of people keep kicking you?

outraged, What do you want? Government hand-out for life, even though you may have been in an office in Texas while others put their life on the line. Come on now we don't want our tax dollars wasted do we?

John McCain should study history. Great leaders don't throw away American lives. Any life is worth saving. No one talks about the innocent civilians killed in each war. John McCain is a very negative person and with type of personality we will find ourselves in another endless war.

I heard his speech on POTUS 08 and I was shocked at the tone. McCain is sounding so hawkish I am having flashbacks to the Cold War/Vietnam War era. As of today, I am officially afraid of this person becoming president.

Dan NYC, et al: I just love the hypocrisy. George Bush had no combat experience whatsoever, he ran a business into the ground, his family constantly bailed him out, and Obama is lacking? Please, you're all so desperate you'll say anything that comes to your heads. It's kinda funny, actually. Your and McCain's rhetoric is tired and won't work this time since McCain has NO idea what to do with the thing people REALLY care about: the economy.

Patriotism is one thing but Citizenship is another!!
A Federal Court will now decide if Soetoro qualifies under Article 2 (not the 14th Amendment)
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

McBush would rather question Obama's patriotism and talk about his time in Vietnam ad nauseam rarher than engage in a discussion about the issues. Why? Because he's nearly illiterate in regard to the real issues that concern the American people such as the economy, an intelligent foreign policy, health care, social security, repair of the infrastructure and repair of a failing education system.

Wake up America we have gone through this kind of truth twisting before. If McCain is elected we will have a national crisis with the economy and the military will be spread to thin with all the conflicts this hot shot dipolmacy. China will own us due to us borrowing from them and conflict will be everywhere because republicans don't believe in diplomacy. God help us. We need Obama/Biden 08.

In 2004, the record of the candidate who was a war hero was irrelevant, and we couldn't question the actions of the guy who used political connections to get a National Guard gig and then blew it off and didn't fulfill the contract. In 2008, being a POW is a necessary qualification to be president.

John McCain should be ashamed of himself, but probably not, as he comes from the Republican party where if you dont agree with everything they say you are unpatriotic and hate America. John McCain has changed so much since 2000 that I am starting ti wonder if his name is even John. As a lifelong democrat who supported McCain in 2000 I am saddened and disappionted in his desperation to win the Presidency.

McCain should hammer Obama on this. Aligning himself with the quack leftists to get through primaries was actually a good idea. It gave him money and energy, of which he still is carrying today.
But because he's unwilling to take a stand on anything remotely contraversial, he's hard to take seriously.
Obama could read the menu at Denny's and you'd walk away impressed. Until you realized what he just read. Which people are starting to realize.
While his core supporters wont mind that anything Rev. Rick Warren asked about was "Above his paygrade" it once again shows an unwillingness to show strength on an issue. Waffling on the tough questions isnt a strength folks... its a weakness.
Russias rolling brigades into Georgia and Obama's wanting "Both sides to show restraint" (Well BO... one side is. While they're being crushed) is the ultimate non-answer answer. Which I get. But its not going to get you elected.
Why I dont per se agree with McCain's response to the Russian/Georgian conflict, at least he came out with a decisive response.
And weather you like it or not, the reason McCain has taken the lead in the polls is this situation.
Vladimir Putin is going to get John McCain elected president.
Im not saying thats what I want either. People better just be prepared for that.

This guy is right out of some old WWII movie. I mean he doesn't email, doesn't know how many homes he owns, constantly brings up his time as a POW(he is not a war hero because he has never been awarded a metal for valor or bravery). This guy is a joke! If America makes this guy President we have no judgement.

?The Cold War ended not because the world stood ?as one,? but because the great democracies came together, bound together by sustained and decisive American leadership.?
I'm sorry, but what's the freaking difference? jgreeting - thank you for being a beacon of sanity among these trolls. Seriously, folks, get a job.

chi-town said "McCain needs to keep doing what he's doing. Any reasonable person can see that the Obama campaign is about Obama, not America." Any reasonable person can see that the McCain campaign is about Obama, not America.

"I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country?"
What percentage of Americans join the armed forces? Very, very few. Are the vast majority of Americans who never wear the uniform less than those who do?
How does Ayers living down the street from Obama and having sit on a panel with him once make him a close friend?
And Rev. Wright? How is that any different from the hate spouted constantly from Pat Robertson/Franklin Graham/etc.? Only by ideological focus.

John McCain: the only candidate for President who surrendered to the enemy. If he cared about this country, he would have gone down with his plane or put a bullet in his head. But then, as he said, he didn't love America at that time. He wasn't running for office.

McCain is a known bigot who hates Asians, as he calls them "gooks", he opposed Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and refused to honor his sacrifice and leadership during the civil rights movement. McCain is supported by the KKK as well as Neo-Nazi groups. This is a very scary man!

If McCain wants to question someones patriotism maybe someone should ask him in a debate why the Viet Cong called him The Songbird??? McCain wants to bring up Bill Ayers then I say Obama needs to bring up the dozens of Propaganda films and radio broadcasts that McCain made.
I didn't have a kitchen table but I had a film crew! Freaking McCain makes me sick to my stomach the freaking traitor!!!

CINDY MCCAIN AFFAIR!
Red Cross's top organizers are furious with Cindy McCain. McCain was the keynote speaker at a Red Cross fundraiser in CA and she refused to wear the expensive designer red dress the Red Cross PAID FOR for her to wear. Then it gets really interesting. Cindy sat in the back of the ballroom with a man half her age, they were quite lovey dovey and he had his hands all over her knees. Jump ahead one month and Cindy appears with the same man in Las Vegas at another event. Same thing happens, grab ass in the back of the room. Of course the MSM has yet to jump on this, all of this information comes from Top Red Cross organizers who worked with Cindy on the events. I think John should spend more time keeping an eye on his wife then attacking Sen Obama.

It doesn't matter to Obama nor his parroting supporters, that he has absolutely no experience to deal with international issues like terrorist, a nuclear Iran or an invading Russian army. Anyone who thinks terrorist will not strike our country again simply refuses to face reality. And, when - not IF - it happens, the survivors will need the most experienced Commander in Chief possible, to deal with the aftermath. Can anyone imagine dealing with another terrorist strike AND Iran or Russia firing nukes at our allies? Can anyone truly believe that Obama is prepared to handle such a catastrophic scenario? Obama is absurdly na?ve to think Iran, Russia or Muslim extremist can be persuaded to change their ways through polite conversation. Heaven help us all if he does win this next election!

One man has given anti-American confessions (McCain), one man has not (Obama). One man embodies American ideals - family, hard work, education (Obama) and one embodies the opposite - adulterty/divorce, poor classroom performance, inherited wealth and power (McCain)
Seems pretty simple to me.

i thought 6 year olds name call then grow out of it by say 10yrs old. but i guess if you are a liberal you never go up! keep up the name calling it just shows the adults why we should never vote for liberals.

McCain for Veterans? What a laugh! In ten of the last ten votes on Veterans' issues he's voted against us vets every time. Look and see how the Disabled American Veterans or Vietnam Veterans of America score McCain compared to Obama. Sorry, but it's no contest and the media has to stop allowing McCain to play the POW card every time he's challenged.

I wholeheartedly agree with McCain's comment on Obama's comments. Obama not only seems to believe that we were wrong to invade Iraq, he also seems to think that the US should look to China for examples on how to have a better infrastructre (hello!??), and he seems to have not-so-subtley suggested that the US is a hypocrit because we "invaded" Iraq, much like Russian invaded Georgia.
Obama needs to sit down for a long tutorial with Biden on foreign policy 101 because he has a LOT to learn.
Is McCain questioning Obama's patriotism? Probably. Should he? Heck ya. I'm sick and tired of everyone walking around on eggshells trying to protect Obama-- everyone is too afraid of being labeled as racist, or as attacking Obama's love of country.
I have always questioned Obama's true level of patriotism. He says the right words (most of the time), but he just doesn't have the passion that goes along with it. He talks the talk, but I'm not convinced that he walks the walk. Do I think Obama wants us to get into more wars or be harmed in any way? Absolutely not. But I do think that deep down, the Obamas only believe America is an "okay" place to live and that it has a ton of work to do. Frankly, I think it's a kick-a** place to live and I'm sorry they seem so disappointed. Perhaps they should move?

Senator McCain did an excellent job sticking to the question of judgement in international affairs. It is no surprise that Senator Obama's campaign would immediately take great offense, as if the question was related to patriotism. The sad truth is Senator Obama's patriotism is a great point of question among Americans, especially with the unsealing of records related to Waetherman Ayers and his connection to Senator Obama. Throw in Code Pink's contributions to Senator Obama, and we have a picture starting to form. Is it un-patirotic? Many would say unequivocably, yes. I feel it's not even rooted in that sort of sentiment, but in political expediency, and poor judgement. The Junior Freshman Senator from Illinois will use any carriage, driven by whatever means necessary to propel himself into the White House. A peek at the Democratic Convention in Denver is showing cracks in his party. His inability to take his place as the unchallenged head of his party has Americans wondering about his fitness to lead. The rebellion of the Senator Clinton's supporters is a testament of not only his failure to be strong in the face of adversity, but problems unifying fractious elements into a coallition. That sick feeling that people are getting when they listen to his speeches has them realizing something just isn't right. They aren't buying into the undercurrent that is whispered by his campaign: A vote against Barack Obama is tantamount to an admission of racism. Don't believe it, America.

Deborah at 4:51 is a perfect example of the paranoia that has taken over the GOP. I picture these people holed up in their homes, shades drawn, sweat dripping down their faces - jumping at every little sound. (It's okay! It's just the mailman!)
Sure we might get attacked by terrorists again. In fact, Bush has all but guaranteed it. But we can't live our lives in fear! With people like Deborah, the terrorists have won. bin Laden is sitting in some cave somewhere laughing at us. At the money we're pouring into Iraq, at the freedoms we're giving away. There is risk involved in living in a fee society. There always has been and always will be, but I'll take the risk rather than live in a nation of checkpoints, body searches and rendition. I will not give up MY freedoms so some paranoid rightie can relax a little.

"i thought 6 year olds name call then grow out of it by say 10yrs old. but i guess if you are a liberal you never go up! keep up the name calling it just shows the adults why we should never vote for liberals."
Seriously? My God Righties are stupid.

Bubba1984: you say Obama would "watch a woman being raped" and say it's above his paygrade to say whether it's wrong? Do I have to tell you what a freaking idiot you are? Are you a McCain staffer or something? Because you didn't just take something out of context, you freaking well lied and you know it! There was no question about rape! The question was when does life begin? Rather than make a snappy, pandering remark (as McCain did), Obama thought about it and gave a thoughtful answer. Religion says one thing, science says another. He looked upward and admitted that there's a higher authority and none of us should presume to know all the answers about everything! Since when does running for or being POTUS necessitate playing God? Oh yea, I forgot; since 2000.

Yesterday I watched the democrats display a strong sense of unity. The democratic party came across as a true family. Michelle's speech was phenomenal and Kennedy's touched my heart. I was proud to be a democrat yesterday. Then we see McCain spewing out words of anger and hatred. Desperately trying to attack Obama. The sincerity of Michelle's speech alone over powers McCain's twisted attacks.

jgeeting, I think you are seeing countries that are able to stand on their own two feet. We disagree on some of the treaties like Kyoto because it does not present an even playing field. I think 24 Million Iraqis are pretty happy with our leadership. This year the Iraqi soccer team will not be put to death if they lose a match.
We host the United nations at tremendous expense to our taxpayers. That is pretty meaningful. We help maintain the greatest coalition in history - NATO. Not to mention SEATO and a few others. We are a unique country for sure. What is wrong with that?
We are the most generous nation in the world. Watch a natural disaster hit and see the love pouring from our pockets and government. Can we do better - YES. Are we constantly trying - of course. John McCain understands how to negotiate. Never in history has appeasement worked. Show me an instance when it was given and I will show you an enslaved people. I welcome your response.

"I do question his patriotism. No time in armed forces, no volunteering that he is not paid for. What does this community organizer actually have to show for his time in this country? Relationship with a terrorist in Ayers, a house from a fellon in Rezko and some hatred from 20 years of Rev Wright! What does he have that shows he does love this country?"
Posted By: Dan NYC
Hitler loved his country, too, and was in the military. So was Napoleon. Your post is a joke. Thomas Jefferson was in no one's army, nor was Ronald Reagan. Your argument is specious, if not racist and deceitful. Reverend Wright was a Marine, but you give him no credit for that, though he, according to your metrics, earned the right to dissent and call the government anything he wanted. John McCain has no policy that lasts longer than the time he spends in front of any particular group. He spends his time attacking his opponent on things that have nothing to do with leading a nation out of the death spiral of the Bush years. He never evolved, and apparently, neither have you.

Waiting for the world community, the UN or anyone else has created the calamities in Dafur, Zimbabwe, the Sudan and countless other atrocities. The left thinks that if the American military is not involved then the world is at peace. America is the world leader in freeing people from the chains of tyrants.

Mike D: Define appeasement. I'll try first: Another buzz word and political football that gets thrown around and has become meaningless. Oh, and $24M Iraqis are happy we're there? Did you conduct a poll? I don't disagree with all your sentiments, but let's not be silly.

I would like to point out to people, that in fact, "The World" Has NOT CHANGED. Facts:
There have been 20 civil conflicts in Africa since 1960. There are 9 conflicts right now. The Mid East is still a Hotbed of conflicts between insurgents in Iraq, the conlfict in Lebenon, Israel, Turkey, Taliban in Pakistan, Pakistan and India, Sunni Shiite Conflict that has raged since Mohammed's son in law Ali had his head cut off and shipped to his mother in Demascus. The Chinesea and Taiwan are still at odds, the North and South Koreans are still not friends, The Japanese and the Chinese aren't buddy buddy. Russia has all kinds of problems with break away provinces including Chechnya. South America has quite a few rebellions going on, Thailand and the Phillipines both have Insurgency issues.
Now...look at history, and go back to WWI, and prior. And tell me, exactly, how the world has "changed" other than now we have the Internet on our Cell phones and the ability to watch videos on demand.
Wake up. Read. Learn History, then look at the world and tell me, how much it has really changed, and how much you just really are ignorant of world events.

MT-griz said "Waiting for the world community, the UN or anyone else has created the calamities in Dafur, Zimbabwe, the Sudan and countless other atrocities. The left thinks that if the American military is not involved then the world is at peace. America is the world leader in freeing people from the chains of tyrants."
First of all, it's not our job or place to free others from tyrants. If it were, we'd be in the 20 or so nations who live under tyrants. We're not. We aren't in Iraq to "free" the Iraqi people. We're there because there is oil there. Period. No oil in Darfur? No help there. No oil in North Korea? No help there. Bush picked Iraq to attack because he thought it would be easy and there was oil there. Don't try and paint anything this administration has done with any compassion, because there isn't any.

"Obama watches a woman being raped. Asked if rape is morally wrong, replies "That question's above my pay grade." maybe he does need a little more life experience. Maybe he would be able to see the difference between Iraq and Georgia!"
Posted By: Bubba1984
The difference is that the Georgians were the aggressors and the Iraqis weren't, which indicates a real lack of judgment on the parts of Bush and McCain. Since you can't tell the difference, you are as much of a clown as those two bozos. The beginning of your post confirms that you are a puerile moron.

Rudy Guliani--a noun, verb and 9/11. John McCain--a noun, verb, and let's blow 'em up. Is military action the only possible response America has in McCain's world? Have we become so weak economically and bankrupt morally that our only power comes from being a bully?

Let's see, we stood as one with the world in the first Iraq war and won. We stood basically alone in Iraq II and we're still there. But McCain knows how to win wars. What war, when where? Clearly, he's lost the war with his better self and now he's Karl Rove's POW.

Quote McCain's C**t: "Sure we might get attacked by terrorists again. In fact, Bush has all but guaranteed it." You are so F'n stupid. Ok, one could argue that we are screwing around with a hornet's nest by being over there. If memory serves, though, they attacked the Trade Center before we committed any troops there. Oh, yeah...and we have not been hit since! Coincidence? I think not. Maybe we are keeping them just busy enough over there and doing a good enough job security wise over here to keep them at bay. *******!!!

As much as I like McCain for his maverick ways, his furious temper is his most serious obstacle. I seriously think he is fully capable of blowing his top off in a diplomatic meeting with Russia or China if things do not go his way or if someone challenges him. The Presidency is all about keeping an even keel and a cool temperament while negotiating your way through problems. Even his fellow Republican senators contend that McCain is a hot head. A President who gets angry repeatedly whenever he encounters the slightest of resistance to his agenda and his thinking can accomplish almost nothing.

The ******, winy liberals keep talking about the "broken alliances" in the world. Which ones?? France (which is now a big ally of the US, Italy( superconservative), Germany ?, Japan? What are you 'll talking about ?? Vietnam, Cambodia are desperate to trade with the US, Brazil, Argentina ( always anti-american) can't wait to trade with us. I guess Barack will come in and join us all , hand in hand and declare us all "world citizens". Well, I do NOT WANT to be a world citizen, I am happy being an American.

This old goat has incarnated as the second coming of George Bush as he changed all his past positions just to get the Republican nomination. Getting shot in Vietnam has only limited value. He was stupid enough to get shot and get caught. That can?t be the only quality to be the next President of these United States. This one reality he can?t change. He changed everything else. The guy is super rich and has no idea how ordinary people live. His praise for the right wing Supreme Court judges is frightening. He should be voted out for just that reason. I hope American people are smart enough to see the true character of this old goat!

"This old goat has incarnated as the second coming of George Bush as he changed all his past positions just to get the Republican nomination. Getting shot in Vietnam has only limited value. He was stupid enough to get shot and get caught. That can?t be the only quality to be the next President of these United States. This one reality he can?t change. He changed everything else. The guy is super rich and has no idea how ordinary people live. His praise for the right wing Supreme Court judges is frightening. He should be voted out for just that reason. I hope American people are smart enough to see the true character of this old goat!"
Ah Yes, another liberal who has contempt for the Military. How ignorant is that statement? Stupid enough to get shot down???? What are you going to do when the Chosen One is soundly defeated by the mainstream American public. Barry has no experience, he refuses to answer questions of his past and if facts are brought forward, he starts to cry about people questioning his patriotism. If someone is looking for a good stock to invest in, try Eli Lilly...the libs will be needing to increase the dosage of prozac...

Obama: Let the experts take if from here. You're not really ready to get off the porch and run with the big dogs just yet. Just because you're a celebrity doesn't mean you would make a good President. You're just going to get in over your head again...and we've seen how that has ended up in the past. Joe

As I follow these blogs it occurs to me, the followers of McCain have a common thread- they are used to and feel more comfortable with the politics of fear and his message is within their comfort zone- not because he's right, but it's what they grew up with and it feels better than taking a chance on something new and different.
On the other side, the followers of Obama seem to be tired of the status quo in Washington- and are ready for a change, for hope on the horizon, and realize it's 2008 and the old days are over. These people seem hopeful and excited about the future- at the same time realizing that change isn't easy and nothing comes free.
I am a 47 yr old white woman who is tired of the politics of fear and old school politicians who believe we can be controlled and manipulated whenever it suits this administration. I have voted Republican all my life until now. Now I will vote for the person I believe to be the man for the job- who has the character, stamina, temperament, wisdom, and patience to be the POTUS. I will pray for him and his family, and for this country because after these past 8 years, we need it more than ever!

This is sickening. McCain's tactics are 100% Rovian (Schmit-ish?). I QUESTION JOHN MCCAINS PATRIOTISM for trying to hide ignorance with bluster, and trying to lead us further down the neo-con road to ruin.

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Tell the truth, for God's sake. Obama loathes this country's independence and our willingness to act independently when we need to. He'll throw us in with those Euro-******s and we'll lose the ability to do what we need to do when only our interests are at stake.

Yea DAN NYC you are an idiot. You are of the opinion that anyone who did not serve in the armed forces deserves to have their patriotism questioned? Do you know how many people that is. Do you feel that way about Dick Cheney. Obama did not dodge the draft, since it was over long before Obama would have been eligible. Cheyney dodged it, So did Limbaugh and a lot of others.
The Rev. Wright stuff is hatred of Americans like you the ones who join the ku klux klan and are meanspirited. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not supporting Obama but who the hell are you and McCain to question peoples patriotism. You are all scum. That is what folks like you are.

Amen Viet Vet! John McCain: the only candidate for President who surrendered to the enemy. If he cared about this country, he would have gone down with his plane or put a bullet in his head. But then, as he said, he didn't love America at that time. He wasn't running for office.
Posted By: Viet Vet 1031 | August 26, 2008 at 04:41 PM
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