I think a lot of times when people describe a Republican as "centrist" what they really mean is that he's your typical corporatist conservative who probably doesn't care for much beyond that but may be forced to court the social conservatives to get elected.

In what way is that inaccurate? Kasich came off well in those debates because he was much politer than the rest, who tried to play at Trump's level and got smoked. It's certainly not because of his policy positions. He's got one of the worst records on abortion in a party famous for it. Remember when Cleveland police begged him before the RNC to temporarily suspend open carry in the city and he refused to maintain the sparkling NRA A-rating? His economic policies are classic GOP: he's one of their top anti-union operatives, he's one of those obsessed with "balanced" budgets over funding important social programs. And he's a neocon who loved the War in Iraq and thinks drones are swell.

He's "better" than Trump, but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to say he'd be a terrible president who I'd be deeply unhappy with.

What Anitram said is pretty spot on. I think you're being dismissive to the idea that people FEEL differently than you. You're speaking in large generalizations because, as you eventually point out, you just don't like him.

I'm from Indiana, I did not live under him as governor, but I saw an awful lot about what he was doing, and maybe people don't remember too well, but Ohio was floundering from moving too far, too fast on social programs, and Kasich fixed it.

From my personal research, because believe it or not, I didn't just listen to his rhetoric(!), he definitely had viewpoints I disagreed with, but I overall trusted him to find a decent middle ground, should the unthinkable (at that point) have happened and Hillary lost the election. Additionally, I WOULD have voted for him over Bernie, should the option have presented itself, because he was not an extreme. We go round and round with this Trump vs Bernie two sides of a coin thing, but let me be clear, if Bernie have won, I would have been OK with that, I'd have just expected us to be pretty hurt financially by the end of his term, hence my feeling that Kasich was a decent middle option.

All of which is to say, when you're talking about feelings and you're dealing with moderates, to assume that we all just liked what we heard from Kasich and did zero research is dismissive and a huge turn off to your cause. That was my point. When you come off as aggressively as someone like Oregoropa, you're only pushing away the people you actually need to convince to come out and vote.

i also have a feeling that if you had done this list of names relating to a black person rather than native americans the reaction here would have been a little stronger than one person rolling their eyes and everyone else ignoring it.

I also pointed out yesterday when he posted this that he claims he doesn't see colour. Alas, he didn't respond.

Can I ask all of you something. If Trump was more even handed and acted more like a politician would you give him a fair shake? Or would you still be shaking your fists?

I ask because some of the folks I asked about Trump and their response was "We just want him to act more like a president." And then there were some that have said "Nothing he can do will make me change my mind."

This along with your "obstructionists" posts are some of the most obtuse posts I've ever seen in FYM. You are completely lacking any understanding or self awareness.

I also pointed out yesterday when he posted this that he claims he doesn't see colour. Alas, he didn't respond.

Can we please stop with this "I don't see colour" BS?

We are all human beings. As per our human nature, we all see colour. Every single last one of us.

But what really matters is what people do to others that are a different "colour". Do you treat them with equality, respect and dignity as a fellow human being? Or do you try to knock people down, either consciously or not, because you are afraid of someone that looks different than you?

I also pointed out yesterday when he posted this that he claims he doesn't see colour. Alas, he didn't respond.

okay, well sorry i missed that. still pretty disappointed at the reaction overall tho. if i wrote up a list of pejorative nicknames for bernie sanders based on the most offensive jewish stereotypes along with a few holocaust puns (wounded economy? *really?* that was a fucking massacre of civilians by the US army you prick) i would promptly and rightly be called anti semitic and shown the fucking door.

okay, well sorry i missed that. still pretty disappointed at the reaction overall tho. if i wrote up a list of pejorative nicknames for bernie sanders based on the most offensive jewish stereotypes along with a few holocaust puns (wounded economy? *really?* that was a fucking massacre of civilians by the US army you prick) i would promptly and rightly be called anti semitic and shown the fucking door.

I agree.

I think racism against first nations has been to a large extent normalized.

I don't even think that the same poster would have posted an equivalent list of pejorative terms against African Americans or Jews, but he still thinks this is funny and I am betting we'll be told we're being PC.

I think racism against first nations has been to a large extent normalized.

I don't even think that the same poster would have posted an equivalent list of pejorative terms against African Americans or Jews, but he still thinks this is funny and I am betting we'll be told we're being PC.

This poster flat out said, he can understand how Jews would be offended but black people shouldn't.

you can seriously go fuck yourself with this unfunny racist bullshit. i don't give a shit about the context, this is just straight deliberate racism. if i was a mod here i'd ban you for this.

i also have a feeling that if you had done this list of names relating to a black person rather than native americans the reaction here would have been a little stronger than one person rolling their eyes and everyone else ignoring it.