Re: linux screen readers

From: Jeet <LoveForAll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:10:49 -0700

Stay on topic please.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers
No, No, No, this is absolutely not the approach to take. This silly
approach
will absolutely not work to our benefit. This is completely
convoluted and
very stupid logic to want to start "beating" people once they don't
do what
you want. Remember, we need something from them, and they need
nothing from
us, so it behooves us to kindly, very kindly request an ear for a
few
minutes in order to explain our plight. You must exhaust all
resources
before getting aggressive. What if after a kind request the other
party
agrees and begins to help? then all is well and we benefit
immensely. On the
other hand, what if you start doing stupid things such as getting
very
aggressive and threatening at the offset then demand help? The other
party
will not only not want to help you, but they will have a very
incorrect view
of you and who you represent. Yes, the squeaky gear might get the
oil, but
we're not talking mechanics here, we're talking human interactions.
Gees,
Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers
> then it sounds like its time for those who are interested to go
beat the
> orca developers vigorously about the head and shoulders with there
canes
> until they give the needed information, eh?
>
> smile, I have found quite often that the old saying "the squeaky
gear gets
> the oil" is very true
>
> I'll even join in some, since I will undoubtedly need some of
this
> knowledge somewhere along the line, though the need hasn't come up
yet.
>
> take care,
> inthane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: linux screen readers
>
>
>> From what I have seen there're no lists for orca scripting, nor
>> documentation available for it. I do think we should have this
list,
>> as we should perhaps have a nvda scripting list, sinse this
reader is
>> going really fast in its developement.
>> I guess, however, I can not help writting tutorials about how to
>> script orca, because I even haven't found an explanation about
how is
>> the window structure in gnome apps (e.e if there are handles,
control
>> ids and the like). This is what I miss, it wouldn't make seense
to try
>> to make an app accessible without knowing first what we have in
hands
>> to do that.
>> Marlon
>>
>> 2007/9/12, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I definately have the impression that Orca and GUI access on
Linux have
>>> made major strides in progress this past year, so would
encourage anyone
>>> interested to check out this platform. Sun, IBM, and Google,
among
>>> others, are committed to Linux and have shown genuine interest
in
>>> accessibility. I think they would welcome feedback from blind
people
>>> doing GUI application development in that area.
>>>
>>> Does anyone here happen to know if there is a scripting list for
Orca,
>>> and
>>> if so, how to subscribe?
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
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