The phenomenon is interesting. Amongst many other human characteristics. Aren't you interested also? Don't you want to understand how your subconscious could alert you to potential danger? And why it doesn't always work?

I genuinely don't care what you believe. I do care when you start telling me what you think I should be doing and misrepresenting what I have said. This is where I start being concerned with what you believe.

Sorry I offended you so much. Why does it upset you so much that I don't believe in God?

Actually it's rarely right when it comes to things it has no experience with. Intuition tells him/her to turn on his car lights at night, because he has experience driving at night. But when it comes to the afterlife some use intuition and get the wrong answer because they have no experience with the afterlife.

The God, in other language under different names - regardless - the Supreme being Creator and sustainer of the Universe as well me and you doesn't depend on anyone approval or disapproval. Without experiencing Him and enjoying Hi love, some might be trying hard to argue their view point,

What one know can be wrong and has nothing to do with facts. Experiences does tell you about facts.As you said, I don't know you why should I put you down? I am refuting your arguments not putting you down.

Jesus himself manifested all that God is. He taught Peter to heal as he did. He changed water into wine and walked on water. He taught Paul how to stop his heart and breath, which is an advanced yogic technique. (Thus, Paul could say "I die daily.") He brought people back from death. Jesus came back to life in his own physical body after he had been put to death.

Jesus said, "Know ye not that ye are gods? "We manifest with physical presence and shape and yet at the subatomic level we are energy, light, power and life. Where does the spirit go after death?Somewhere…it cannot die.

Jesus didn't psalms did. The wine/healing/walking on water story is fiction. Paul never saw any jesus.But why do you say all these here?We have physical presence and we are made of atoms not light or energy.There is no spirit to go anywhere.

Protons, neutrons, electrons and quarks are the basis of our existence and everything that exists. Electrons jumping in atoms generate light. Electrical charge is one of the fundamental properties of matter.

Repeating: It makes sense to me that the energy of spirit cannot be seen, but our lives are evidence of it... just as working cell phones reveal the evidence of the electromagnetic energy being used.

BTW "Most of the atoms that make up the Earth and its inhabitants were present in their current form in the nebula that collapsed out of a molecular cloud to form the Solar System." (From 1001Things Everyone Should Know About Science by James Trefil.)

Don't you even know the meaning of the terms you use?Here this from your favorite source, wikipedia - In physics, energy is a property of objects.Property has no independent existence but is our interpretation of the effect it causes on another or a quality of the object. [A physical property is any property that is measurable whose value describes a state of a physical system.- wikipedia]Exist has two meanings in common parlance, love exists, rock exists both are different. Love is a concept conceived by animals while rock is an object independent of humans. Your energy is of the former.

energy: "Virtually all energy used on the earth comes from the sun. It is converted from energy in the form of light to chemical energy by the process of photosynthesis. It can then be stored (in coal or oil for example,) used directly by plants or secondarily used by animals. The energy you are using to hold this book up and move your eyes as you read comes from this route. Eventually the energy we use from the sun becomes waste heat and returns to space as infrared radiation. Thus we do not consume energy so much as use it as it passes through our environment." From the book, 1001 Things Everyone should Know About Science by James Trefil.

Still you don't understand the difference between concept and object?The property called energy is the motion. The light (a thing that transmit vibration) comes from sun and cause water and CO2 to combine to form glucose. We consume GLUCOSE which is broken down and is converted to co2 water again and motion of molecules in our body.

You as a person is not subatomical but molecular and macromolecular. A particular arrangement of molecules, cells(brain) to be specific. Sub atomically the atoms in your body is no different from any other atom of same atomic structure.

Atoms are facts. Subatomic particles are facts. The energy of spirit flowing through all of life is fact. My existence is fact and Jesus said I am a god… … I just haven't realized it yet… well, sometimes I do...

Well - I simply don't believe your claims.I said "disprove" not "approve". But to an extent you are right. whether we believe in it or not it simply doesn't exist. All the time the only "evidence" is claims from people such as yourself, I will stick with that viewpoint.

Definitely, it is only a " word" God in many other languages under different name; interestingly on His first recorded " name " introduction , He has sai I AM THAT I AM, Heb. Eheyeh asher Eheyeh, I am that ( who or what ) I am , or I am the Selfexistent One; the Eternal; , the One who always has been and always will be, ever - present and Loving One... Often He has answer in meeting people's need " I Am the one who heals you; provide for you , etc.

Jomine Jose, You do not know me, you do not know my victories and failures in walk with God: He is in my spirit , talks to me, gives me strength and wisdom , the people around me se and know. Why should I lie to you ? Give me one reason why? And frankly I am so busy with smart thinks that I do not have time to lie.

So god is only your opinion? Why should I want to know you, I am talking about the arguments you made.I am talking about this, 1) the Supreme being Creator and sustainer of the Universe2) His first recorded " name " introduction.The first is a lie, as the assumptions are false. The second is a lie because bible is not the first recorded book about god.

A statement made by me isn't an argument to those who choose to know ; as for you it is your option to continue in a false assumption and in a lie you want to accept about the book about the God. Unless the Holy Spirit revels to you the light, you will continue the direction you are on. Do not expect me to waste time to continue in what others can tell you better and you know that. On the other hand if you insist on superiority and wants to be proclaimed as a winner in this contest, have it your way.

So you have no factual basis for your argument. Such fallacious arguments are called lies in common language and or false assumption. I didn't make any assumptions you did. (Saying I did will be a lie)

Again no factual basis, so can be called a lie. I know Christians in general (the preaching ones) are dishonest and some are better liars but I am not going to take a lie and face value.

You mean you were not claiming superiority by claiming divine knowledge for yourself?

Authentication is in the word you used here. " believing " ; once you start on believing plan, the experiences are proof and multiplying ; how can anyone who never been in my kitchen, never ate my prepared meal to malevolently insists that doesn't exist ?!

How is god to be known?First identify what is to be known. Then assert that it exists. Bertrand Russell has a way to do it. Come up with a definite description instead of a definition of a deductive kind. The main reason is that you can invent anything by way of deductive definition. A definition is one thing, existence of what is defined is another. "The king of France" is one example given by Russell as a definite description. This fits one king or another like King Louis XIV. This description can be verified. Now, existence is asserted on a definite description. Not on a name or label because analysis of a name or label would end in a contradiction, Russell said.

I do not disagree. We all say the same thing over and over and over… Why? Because it is the truth. Heaven is found by going within. One's consciousness is evidence of God. It has been said that our individual consciousness is a bubble in the ocean of God's consciousness. (Just something I read once, but it makes sense to me.)

Cicero said " You do not see God, and yet you acknowledge him as God by his works." Do you Kathryn L Hill ? Everyone in the world by now knows that " For ever since the creation of the world God has shown to every generation His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity have been intelligible and clear discernible in and through the things that have been made - His handiworks. Excuses are by some choosing not to Honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead the are becoming futile godless i their thinking- with vain imaginations, foolish reasoning and stupid speculations- where the senseless minds are darkened . ( Book of Romans ).So , knowing God is simply and easy for those who are willing... As to HOW? - really HOW , my dear go to the Holy Spirit of God and ask Him He has an answer for you.

No further comment to the " update "; I do not see meaning to be part of stretching " knowledge ' of God after we have abundant life in Jesus, and commandment to stay Holy as God is holy, to remain in Him and His word in us , to live to the glory of the Father " bearing much fruit " - to prove that " we" are His disciple. ( As He is Vine and "we" are the branches, the same fruit of his we are bearing or we would only discuss, discuss, discuss ...) ( Most of the " christians " aren't aware of what fruit of the VINE is like.) Thank you very much.

How interestingly an observation can be misleading : There is only One who knows what " I " "" can see"" or can not see "the benefit of increasing one's knowledge of God." My walk with God is main source of increasing " knowledge of God" as true Holy Spirit leads me: Listening and recognizing His voice and not by the following someone else's literature recognizable contrary to the revealed will of God; it is not for " me " only specially design, it is in the Word for every child of His and since it is working for those who believe , that is I am referring to . Knowing God, my dear comes trough knowing the Son of God who has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life."(1 John 5:20)GW Transl. While any additional theorizing taste to reasonings, this same Jesus left for the true believers a test proof "I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these, because I am going to the Father."(John 14:123) NET Bible. Time and time again this is proven fact even as we speak. For me that is more than enough for I am accountable to Him for every my thought, my word and my deed: He has extended the life-span of my in this body for a purpose.

Repeating: to Know God, Identify God: God can be described as an invisible force which is in evidence in all of creation. Creation identifies God. Therefore, each one of us is evidence of God. It stands to reason, to know the reality of *ourselves* is to know God.

Look, if you want to have a discussion you need to stop with the nonsense.

We know plenty about the universe. We know how old it is, we know how old the earth is, we know that the information from the bible is in direct conflict with that information, which tells us that that particular versions of God, Jewish, Christian, Mormon, and Muslim version doesn't exist as described. Is there evidence for another? Does prayer to any of these versions work?

Edit, because of your edit:If that's making sense to you you may want to learn a little about logic.

With the privilege goes responsibility: my Jesus said freely you receive , freely give, on top of it He has given a commandment His disciples-followers,believers- those who accepted the invitation to become the children of the heavenly Father, and the commandment is " Go , then, make disciple of all the nations, dipping-dipizeing - baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit And teaching them to observe all I have commanded you...." ; "All" means " all" a little given to me is just obediently and reverently doing my part. ( You might be well familiar with the word of Ezek. 3: 17-21, quite extremely serious) . However we are reminded by the Sovereign Lord, (humbly reporting)- " those who manifest wisdom will shine like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who turn many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever." Some of these scriptures are behind the supporting my faith to take any risk to stay isolated from the world / religious crowd and happily serving the Master.

559th Thing Every One Should Know About Science: How a material responds to electrical forces depends on how its atoms are arranged. When atoms are locked together to form solids, liquids or gases, the way the electrons are arranged depends on the details of the forces between the atoms. In particular they determine whether the electrons are able to move around the material in response to external electrical forces, hence whether electrical current can move through the material. 1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Science Pg.163.

560th: "A conductor is a material through which electrical current can flow. In order to be a conductor, a material must contain free electrical charges. There are many kinds of conductors, and they differ in the type of free charges available and in how they are created." Page 163

565th: Every material is a conductor when the voltage is high enough since a high enough voltage can always tear electrons loose from atoms. For example, air is normally considered to be an insulator. However, when a large electrical current accumulates on a thunder cloud, the atoms of air in the region are torn apart, turning the air into a plasma. This is how a lightening bolt is created.

We can get a little more complicated if you wish: For instance, Max Planck showed that a bit of matter could be represented by endless amounts of particles bobbing up and down according to frequencies of oscillation. The oscillators absorbed heat and light energy. They also allowed the energy to swing and subside. The arcs of the oscillators swept through ever wider arcs allowing them to absorb and hold energy. Translated from the Book: The Strange Story of the Quantum, by Banesh Hoffmann. (pg. 20.)

Then it's difficult, ignorance will remain permanent contrary to what your OP says. If a dictionary could not help you understand the meaning of words nothing can. And for someone who doesn't understand the meaning of words, god is the natural answer for that term is meaningless.

Circular reasoning should be avoided. Here, the premise supports the proposition and the proposition supports the premise. Let us take an example provided by Bo Bennett in "Circular Reasoning, Logically fallacious," (Internet Oct.25,2014):"The Bible is the Word of God because God tells us it is... in the Bible."

Logic is not dependent on love. Logic is involved in tautology. For example, two is a class of couples. No emotion is involved in logic. In emotion the following can happen: A loves B. B loves C. A hates C. In logic it should be: A loves B. B loves C. A loves C.

I use the word love as" "a virtue representing human kindness, compassion, and affection—'the unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another'. It may also describe compassionate and affectionate actions towards other humans, one's self or animal." Wikipedia

Much of Plato and Aristotle's works had to do with virtue, or the question of what is good. For example the conclusion, justice consists in giving a man what he is owed, is found in The Republic by Plato.

What is logic?"Logic is the study of the methods and principals used to distinguish correct from incorrect reasoning." Introduction to Logic by Irving M. Copi.

Most correct reasoning is based on love (as mentioned above,) I would assume.

Yes, but HOW? We have two avenues of knowledge. One is through words, thoughts / thinking. The other is direct perception. Which would you say you use, Beth? Or would you say the first leads to the second? In what form does the "speaking" take place? audibly or inaudibly? are feelings involved?- how? If none of this is appropriate for intellectual discussion or is beyond putting into words then I understand and agree...

Ps 94:11The LORD knows the thoughts of man, That they are a mere breath.

Ps 1391 Lord, you have examined me and know all about me.2 You know when I sit down and when I get up. You know my thoughts before I think them.3 You know where I go and where I lie down. You know everything I do.4 Lord, even before I say a word, you already know it.5 You are all around me—in front and in back— and have put your hand on me.6 Your knowledge is amazing to me; it is more than I can understand.

7 Where can I go to get away from your Spirit? Where can I run from you?8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there. If I lie down in the grave, you are there.9 If I rise with the sun in the east and settle in the west beyond the sea,10 even there you would guide me. With your right hand you would hold me.

11 I could say, “The darkness will hide me. Let the light around me turn into night.”12 But even the darkness is not dark to you. The night is as light as the day; darkness and light are the same to you.

13 You made my whole being; you formed me in my mother’s body.14 I praise you because you made me in an amazing and wonderful way. What you have done is wonderful. I know this very well.15 You saw my bones being formed as I took shape in my mother’s body.When I was put together there,16 you saw my body as it was formed.All the days planned for me were written in your book before I was one day old.

17 God, your thoughts are precious to me. They are so many!18 If I could count them, they would be more than all the grains of sand.When I wake up, I am still with you.

19 God, I wish you would kill the wicked! Get away from me, you murderers!20 They say evil things about you. Your enemies use your name thoughtlessly.21 Lord, I hate those who hate you; I hate those who rise up against you.22 I feel only hate for them; they are my enemies.

23 God, examine me and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts.24 See if there is any bad thing in me. Lead me on the road to everlasting life.

Did you read it?It reveals everything! What thought can cross your mind that God does not know?So if you raise your voice up to Him, do you think He wont hear you?Whether it is the voice of your heart or your actual voice... He hears us when we call.

Throughout all Scripture we are told that God is a real person, He can appear visible or invisible to natural eyes; He has a spirit body, a personal soul and a personable spirit. Jesus speaks of his Father ( (J.5:37); a psalmist of his Spirit (143:10); lives in the city (J.14:1-3) and he can do anything man can do...

Abraham, "the Friend of God" made a dinner for God and two angels and the actually ate food (Gen.18) Jacob had a physical wrestling mach with God ( Gen.32: 24-30)... Moses talked to God face to face( Ex. 33:11-23 )... much more Job 42:5; Isa. 6:1-13; Amos 9:1 plus much more..

I know, back in the days when God appeared to men. That was a long time ago. Did God appear to Jesus? Do you believe he will appear to us? I would say yes. I would absolutely say yes. Maybe someday He will. I prefer to believe that possibilities are endless. Thanks Michael-Melic.

How to say this and where to start ? - "God is a spirit - or a Spirit is God- and those who worship him - communicate - must worship in spirit and truth." ( j.4:24) . The Truth spoken of here has ben revealed by the incarnate Him- in the body of Jesus of Nazareth, John 14; 6 "I am the way and the TRUTH and the life..." We " a man - our ' spirit man' can really touch ands commune with the Spirit of spirits.. As is known "WE" ME, YOU ,- A PERSON IS SPIRIT SOUL AND LIVES IN THE BODY . Our soul and spirit lives in the body temporarily: The soul is invisible part that feels it ,is a seat of affections, emotions passions and desires giving us self-consciousness... The spirit is invisible part of a living beings that knows - the seat of intellect, mind and will, and that giving self - determination thus making a free moral agent a rational being. NOW, the Bible teaches that it is a " regenerated " spirit of a person with God's Spirit within us which can and does communicate with God. The natural man - spiritually dead to the Spirit of God due to the distrusting God back in the Garden can- not communicate with God the Father, because doesn't belong yet to Him.

You left out the part about multiple generations, but close enough. Be afraid of Him and he will show mercy. Love Him without fear (however that is managed with a god known for genocide!) and it's no mercy for you.

In faith, by faith , through faith : "Without faith it is impossible to please him..."(Heb .11:6) as the broken true and disbelief of the Creeator has kicked us out of the Family fellowship in the Garden, now the faith, trust will put us back... Every sinner need to come as he / she is ( God already knows our intentions) - and speak to him as person-to person " Here i am... coming back...) Sincerely, earnestly to say what " I want "... What do you want ? ( Jesus said if anyone WANTS tot come after me let him denied himself. How much what part to denied? Everything what is not of His will and His word.Motivation is LOVE- not feelings or emotions, not religious ceremonies, " I love yo and I want to serve you in all my words, deeds ...Fear is not of the God Father, it comes from the god of thuds world and he is shrewd enough to control masses by the religious manipulations...Baptism would not be my preference to put into this discussion...

My own definition: " Faith is putting your life into hands of God ". "Faith changes the word into deed in your life." " Faith hears what God has to say ."The way to get faith is by hearing the Word of God: READ OUT LOUD for yourself what God /Jesus says,- often you will hear what was there before and now it opens to you: you might stop after the firs sentence and go to pondering on it all day long until it becomes part of your actions as a result knowing it and expressing love toward God ...

Logic deals with arguments. Arguments are groups of propositions revealing grounds for truth. Premise and conclusion are used as propositions in arguments. A conclusion is indicated by words such as: "therefore," "thus," "consequently…" Premises are indicated by "since," "because," " for the reason that…" According to Irving M. Copi.

To refresh, we are trying to find what wisdom is dependent on… Rad Man says on logic and thinking. I say on a sense of love or what is good for self and others.

I am trying to find out about wisdom. My premise is that it is based on more than reason alone. I do not know how to find a conclusion or what argument to make to prove what I merely suspect. I thought Michael-Melic would help me out, since it based on something he said:

" those who manifest wisdom will shine like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who turn many to righteousness will shine like the stars for ever and ever."

i just want to know HOW anyone can "manifest wisdom!" I don't think through reason alone!

I suggest you define "wisdom" as a concept not as a label or a word. In concept, a term is different from a word. You can find a definition of term, or how "term" is used in introduction to philosophy.

This is an interview with Gracia Burnham. She was taken captive in the Philippians. She and her husband were held hostage for a year. They killed her husband and she has been returned home. Listen to her story of being ministered to by God.

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