Nana's Vibrator:I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends. Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:1. Axel Rose2. Henry Rollins3. Marilyn Manson4. Fred Durst5. Billy Corgan6. Prince7. John Mayer8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on. Or wish they were dead.

This.

I love Nirvana and consider them legendary, but I can't help think that if Fred Durst died right after Woodstock 99 and Significant Other came out, he would be talked about in the same way as Cobain.

ParagonComplex You really know nothing at all about mental illness, do you? You must know someone personally who's killed themself. It'd explain a lot. Maybe a little Column A a little Column B.

That was really for his label, management, lawyers, wife, friends, family to sort out-not a random guy on FARK 19 years later. A rich & famous Seattle guy with various uncles who offed themselves who's hung-up on Frances Farmer should figure his problems weren't with his stomach & Horse...

Kazaa:Kazaa: (Grohl knew Nirvana was his meal ticket. Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.

Grohl drummed for Tom Petty for awhile and was on drums when he played SNL on 11/19/94. He was offered a permanent place in the band but chose instead to record the first FF album (playing almost everything himself). That doesn't at all sound like he was forced or that he didn't believe in himself.

WTF Indeed:Krieghund: Has it really been a year since the 18th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death?

His death is finally old enough to realize his lyrics weren't that deep and that Dave Grohl was the reason Nirvana had catchy songs.

I don't see that. There's something about Nirvana tunes that I can still listen to. Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it. It has aged badly. Like Basic Instinct bad. Like Tim Burton's Batman bad.

Rapmaster2000:Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it. It has aged badly.

Outside of a few overplayed songs, I can't remember it really. The Foos to me are just too generic and bland. If Grohl wasn't such a likeable person, I wouldn't hold them in much higher esteem than Nickelback.

/I do like "Everlong" though, and I've air-drummed along to it in public without regard for my appearance or setting.

Killer Cars:Rapmaster2000: Pull out the first Foo Fighters record and listen to it. It has aged badly.

Outside of a few overplayed songs, I can't remember it really. The Foos to me are just too generic and bland. If Grohl wasn't such a likeable person, I wouldn't hold them in much higher esteem than Nickelback.

/I do like "Everlong" though, and I've air-drummed along to it in public without regard for my appearance or setting.

As much as I hate Andy Rooney & agree his comments were lame, something about a Stars & Stripes guy witnessing countless young American crews dying on blood-soaked Nazi Bombing Runs with the Army Air Force's 8th might cheese one off to see a millionaire take himself out a few miles from where those same bombers were built

The lyrics to ICP's "Terrible" come to mind.The whole world was crying when Kurt's gun went BANG!When Eazy-E died though, it wasn't no thangRapper dies of A.I.D.S. but you hardly mentionRocker blows his face off and becomes a legendHeroin and a shotgun, a hero is madeMaybe I should do that shiat so J can get paid

Good, Nirvana was amazing, but I'm happy we have the Fighters of Foo in our lives... except whenever they are brought up in convo, I hear Dave yelling "the best! the best! the best!" in my head for about 5 minutes...freaks my girlfriend out, she says I stare with a blank expression on my face then I grin like Jack Nicholson at the end then bite my lower lip

Virtual Pariah:Killer Cars: And, after playing a couple tracks of the Foos' debut album, hmm...the production values make the songs sound REAL flat. Never really noticed that before.

You can say that about a lot of 90's production.

Not even talking about the quality of the music, but it's like they forgot how to mix for 10 years. It could have been the learning curve in moving to digital.

I think that's it. Also, the mastering is what really sucked.

Production in the music industry was dominated (mostly) by people who cut their teeth on analog. I was briefly an audio major in college before switching to another major. That was 1997-ish. We were basically the first crop who learned any digital... and even then most of our education was *still* via analog.

Bobo_Spiewack:I managed a record store and heard on my way in for my shift.

We made a fortune on all the distraught "Super fans" who apparently had never bought a T-shirt on any of their CDs.

Yes, we jacked the prices up. And I played Soundgarden all day. Fark Nirvana.

You know you were overrated when you kill yourself and the rest of your band goes on without you to considerably greater success in every way.

I don't feel like looking up sales figures, but have the Foos sold more than Nirvana? Also, Noveselic really hasn't done anything musically since his pretty awesome Sweet 75 project. I think he did something with the Meat Puppets too./Nirvana fan/Foo fan/Noveselic fan.

Precision Boobery:Kazaa: Let me reword that: I think Grohl has personal conviction, I just don't think he believed in himself until he was forced into doing FF. But Cobain farked the two of them over, and they both accepted it.

Grohl drummed for Tom Petty for awhile and was on drums when he played SNL on 11/19/94. He was offered a permanent place in the band but chose instead to record the first FF album (playing almost everything himself). That doesn't at all sound like he was forced or that he didn't believe in himself.

By "forced", I mean that he didn't take his music seriously until after Nirvana was done. He threw his first solo release (Late! - Pocketwatch) to a cassette-only label under an alias - he didn't do anything with it.

Also - the first Foo album had already been recorded before he played for Petty. (He finished it in October.) It was just supposed to be a demo. If he ever seriously considered joining Petty permanently, he would have had to make that decision knowing that his music was already there. Around that time, Nirvana's former A&R guy (Gary Gersh) convinced Grohl that the "demo" was release-worthy and signed him to Capitol Records.

Killer Cars:Kazaa: Anyone with strong personal conviction would have quit Nirvana when Cobain forced them to sign a horrific contract renegotiation in 1992 that literally took money away from Grohl and Novoselic.)

Huh, so it happened that relatively quickly after they got big. I swore what I read was them being blindsided by a "renegotiation" much later.

According to Azerrad's book, it happened in March of 1992. Grohl and Novoselic were both fine with changing the songwriting agreements to give Cobain a bigger share, but Cobain demanded that the change go retroactive to the release of Nevermind,meaning they'd have to return some of the money they'd already been paid. It was a total dick move. I'd like to think I'd have quit before/after signing an agreement like that, but I can totally understand why Novoselic and Grohl didn't. (It'd be easy to blame Courtney for that mess, but it'd be hard to prove that that's why it happened.)

Nana's Vibrator:I find it more fun to thank my lucky stars that certain music celebrities haven't died at the apex or their popularity to become legends. Some of them I actually like but don't think I could handle this "genius" crap:1. Axel Rose2. Henry Rollins3. Marilyn Manson4. Fred Durst5. Billy Corgan6. Prince7. John Mayer8. Kid Rock

feel free to tack on. Or wish they were dead.

Fred Durst? Hell, I'll give you Kid Rock for kicks, but Fred Durst? He'd've been considered a "genius"? You sure we wouldn't have had ourselves a little barbeque, that would have been seen for miles, and danced around his corpse like wild injuns? (Can't remember exact quote.)

I don't know why really, and I really love Will's stuff so I know we don't need two of him, I just imagine Kurt being in this vein. Maybe because of that Pagoda song/scene in Last Days by Gus Van Sant where he's playing acoustic alone.

Didn't Nirvana say at some point that they wanted their songs to be like a combination of The Beatles and Black Sabbath?Doesn't help with the Lennon comparison, other than I guess Lennon didn't say his stuff sounded like Nirvana and anyone... no, that doesn't help either.

Meh, they were both overrated twatwaffles that married annoying shrews. Sorry, but Lennon wasn't that great either. He had a few decent tunes, like Kobain, but nowhere near the masterpieces the slavish fanboys constantly yap about. I will say though that at least Lennon didn't take the chickenshiat way out like Kobain and off himself.

Dingleberry Dickwad:Meh, they were both overrated twatwaffles that married annoying shrews. Sorry, but Lennon wasn't that great either. He had a few decent tunes, like Kobain, but nowhere near the masterpieces the slavish fanboys constantly yap about. I will say though that at least Lennon didn't take the chickenshiat way out like Kobain and off himself.

I'd say that Kurt Cobain was more comparable to a modern day Bob Dylan, in that you don't have to have a beautiful voice, or be a guitar shredder to be a good tunesmith. Honesty, melody and feeling is what mattered most, and Nirvana had it by the barrel full. I can understand people not getting it, but to say they're over-rated it a stretch. If anything, they're under-appreciated.

Killer Cars:I was never a Nirvana superfan or anything, so the exact details I don't remember, but in that article, Dave hinted at an acknowledgement of Kurt's dealings and I think more or less was like "yeah, that was Courtney's call, not his".

yeah, that kinda rings a bell with me too but like you, i'm not Captain Nirvana so maybe we're hazy. or not at all.

Duff McKagan was one of the last people to see Kurt alive. Duff was flying to Seattle from LA, and Kurt had checked out of the rehab clinic. Duff was on a sports talk show about a year ago and that came up. I think he mentioned that they talked a little bit, Kurt looked preoccupied, and they wished each other well and then whatever, days/weeks later, game motherfarking over.

I think it's funny how the best songs written after The Beatles split were by George Harrison.

Have got to disagree. Harrison came into his own certainly, but 1/2 of ATMP is dated garbage. Meanwhile Lennon released some incredibly memorable songs (Cold Turkey, #9 Dream come immediately to mind) as well as some garbage; and McCartney seesawed through the 70's (from the highs of the incredible Ram album to the lows of Londontown).

While there was some garbage on Double Fantasy, several songs showed a new, reflective, mature Lennon emerging. Even content perhaps. It would have been interesting to see if Cobain could have ever gotten to that place.

Nana's Vibrator:I liked Nirvana. I was in college but I didn't give a flying f*ck about him and his shotgun sandwich. But I remember thinking to myself "Oh God. Here it comes. The guy who was just pretty good will now be considered an alltime legend and I'll have to hear about this crap every year for the rest of my life."So far I've been right.