Ships In "The Measure of a Man"

I have been able to read at least ten of the names on the list seen in the courtroom. They are the Enterprise, the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Farouk El-Baz, the Hokule'a, the Yorktown, the Apollo, the Yuri Gagarin, the Lexington, the Excelsior, and the Neil Armstrong. Two of the ships on the list are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and one is under repair at Starbase 74.

I would like to know if other people have been able to read the other fourteen names.

Care to give us some insight on how you got those names in the first place? Every screencap I've ever seen of that wall chart was a blurry mess...unless you have access to the HD scenes, in which case it's doubtful that most people have seen them.

What's also interesting is that if you read it right, that would mean that there's both a USS Neil Armstrong AND a USS Armstrong operating at the same time (the latter is a Challenger class vessel), unless they are actually supposed to be the same ship. Plus we have the class ships for the Apollo and Hokule'a classes. Does the chart happen to show registry numbers and/or class designations?

I have the blue-ray. I started this thread on the first day with the expectation that it could be built on as more people watch the episode.

There is one scene, where Riker after removing Data's arm, returns to the android . This is the best time to see the chart; however, in pause, it's blurred, so it's a process of playing, rewinding, and playing.

The chart is divided into four columns - Ship Name, Registry, Captain, and Assignment. For instance, for the Enterprise,

Also, some observations (depending on if your scrutinizing is correct): The Atlantis on this chart has a different registry number than the Atlantis on the "Conspiracy" diagrams; the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Yorktown, and the Lexington all have different numbers than what is listed in the Encyclopedia for what are presumably the same ships; the Excalibur's reg is different than what was on the studio model; and as you already stated, two presumed class ships' regs are higher than other known ships of their class.

I'd say the information on this chart is either mostly meaningless, or mostly more authoritative than the Encyclopedia, depending on your point of view. IMHO, I'm leaning toward the former.

I have to admit that I like the idea of naming ships for Armstrong and Gagarin very much, just as naming them for places such as White Sands and Tranquility Base does a great deal for me in a good way.

FASA assumed that the Grissom model which became the Oberth class was a Gagarin class vessel instead, and by TNG there was an improved model named the Sagan class to which the Tsiolkovsky belonged. Perhaps one could say the Gagarin was the original model, and the Sagan and Oberth were later refits/modernizations. Best way I can see to make them all fit.

Yeah, pretty much all of these registries clash with the Encyclopedia. But on the other hand most of the registries and class designations from the Encylopedia haven't been backed up by an onscreen source so far.

What's also interesting is that if you read it right, that would mean that there's both a USS Neil Armstrong AND a USS Armstrong operating at the same time (the latter is a Challenger class vessel), unless they are actually supposed to be the same ship.

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Maybe the latter is named for LOUIS Armstrong? Or, better yet, this guy.

What's also interesting is that if you read it right, that would mean that there's both a USS Neil Armstrong AND a USS Armstrong operating at the same time (the latter is a Challenger class vessel), unless they are actually supposed to be the same ship.

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Maybe the latter is named for LOUIS Armstrong? Or, better yet, this guy.

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Well, if the ship was named after Louis Armstrong, wouldn't it have been called, you know, the U.S.S. Louis Armstrong? I mean the other ship is the Neil Armstrong...

U.S.S. Hokule'a
* The writer for the article states that this name is illegible.

U.S.S. Saratoga* Another case of where the writer states that the name is illegible.

U.S.S. Da-Teplan* A third case where the writer states the name is illegible.

U.S.S. Amber* I disagree with the writer on this name. When I did the chart, I went through the name letter by letter, and compared each letter to one like it found elsewhere on the chart. In this example, if the name was Aries, then the final letter would look like the first letter in Saratoga or Sector. It doesn't; I then compared it to other letters and came to a determination that it was a R. From there, knowing that the first letter was an A and the last letter was a R, it was a process of filling in the rest.