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Looks very promising we will trade down with our #1 cause we no longer need a lineman looks like db is our next need to fill

you dont know that they might still take joeckel or fisher then move albert to rt. this o-line was not very good against the pass rush last year. and after andy went through the season with the o-line he had in philly. i wouldnt put it past him to try to create the best o-line in the nfl. after all that's the formula that made alex smith good in s.f. either way i like the bowe and albert moves but i think we should have let colquitt test the market

you dont know that they might still take joeckel or fisher then move albert to rt. this o-line was not very good against the pass rush last year. and after andy went through the season with the o-line he had in philly. i wouldnt put it past him to try to create the best o-line in the nfl. after all that's the formula that made alex smith good in s.f. either way i like the bowe and albert moves but i think we should have let colquitt test the market

That's right. Dorsey has already said that they could resign Albert and still draft Joeckel. Here's the article:

Just because Albert was given the franchise tag doesn't mean jack-sh!t. He hasn't signed it as of yet, there's still concerns regarding his back & people think that's it's etched in stone that the Chiefs can trade down at will, when in reality they may be stuck at #1 with nobody wanting to trade up into that slot. If they are stuck at #1, and they feel that Joeckel is the best player, then they should take him. Also, franchising Albert could also pave the way for them to trade him & recoup one of those 2nd or 3rd round picks that they are supposed to be giving up for Alex Smith.

As for drafting a DB in the top 10 -- HELL NO !!!! After seeing them waste the #5 overall pick in 2010 on a DB that can't cover anyone's grandma, I don't ever want to see this team take a DB above #20 overall, ever again. Besides, outside of QB, Andy Reid has always drafted the men up front on both sides of the ball in the top half of the 1st round.

Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Hopefully this can be the end of the draft Joeckel talk...the most lateral move ever.

That's genius of him to make it seem like every player is in play for KC at 1...Only increases the theoretical value of that pick should a team want to trade up for Joeckel/Smith/anyone else. I feel pretty confident in saying that they're not going to draft Joeckel though.

That's genius of him to make it seem like every player is in play for KC at 1...Only increases the theoretical value of that pick should a team want to trade up for Joeckel/Smith/anyone else. I feel pretty confident in saying that they're not going to draft Joeckel though.

And if they do, that would be completely illogical.

RUBBISH !!! This O-Line sucked A$$ last year & it's been that way ever since Roaf and Shields retired. If Albert is the best they've got, then they are in trouble -- especially Alex Smith. I don't care what Pro Football Focus stats say about Albert. He's NOT an anchor or roadgrader or a clutch performer at LT. Couldn't even roadgrade a DB that he outweighed by 100 lbs. in the Pittsburgh Monday Night game last year.

Joeckel has improved every season and he hasn't reached physical peak as of yet & many feel that he's the best player in the draft & like slc chief said, Andy Reid may very well want to build the best O-Line in football & taking Joeckel would be a positive step in that direction. You are forgetting that Reid consulted Dick Vermeil about the job in KC & you can bet that Vermeil mentioned something to Reid about getting the Chiefs O-line back to the level of excellence that they had when Vermeil was coaching.

RUBBISH !!! This O-Line sucked A$$ last year & it's been that way ever since Roaf and Shields retired. If Albert is the best they've got, then they are in trouble -- especially Alex Smith. I don't care what Pro Football Focus stats say about Albert. He's NOT an anchor or roadgrader or a clutch performer at LT. Couldn't even roadgrade a DB that he outweighed by 100 lbs. in the Pittsburgh Monday Night game last year.

Joeckel has improved every season and he hasn't reached physical peak as of yet & many feel that he's the best player in the draft & like slc chief said, Andy Reid may very well want to build the best O-Line in football & taking Joeckel would be a positive step in that direction. You are forgetting that Reid consulted Dick Vermeil about the job in KC & you can bet that Vermeil mentioned something to Reid about getting the Chiefs O-line back to the level of excellence that they had when Vermeil was coaching.

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The O line was ok at the start of the season but after a couple of guys got hurt there lack of depth really showed. They gave up 10 sacks in a 2 game span last season. Everyone was willing to talk about the poor QB play but not many talked about the poor play across the line. The QB play was a factor in some of those sacks but not all. There were times the o line didn't even give the qb a chance to get rid of the ball. Adding to the O line depth in anyway would help this team.

I wouldn't love the pick of Jockel but if that's the pick it would serve a purpose

Just because Albert was given the franchise tag doesn't mean jack-sh!t. He hasn't signed it as of yet, there's still concerns regarding his back & people think that's it's etched in stone that the Chiefs can trade down at will, when in reality they may be stuck at #1 with nobody wanting to trade up into that slot. If they are stuck at #1, and they feel that Joeckel is the best player, then they should take him. Also, franchising Albert could also pave the way for them to trade him & recoup one of those 2nd or 3rd round picks that they are supposed to be giving up for Alex Smith.

As for drafting a DB in the top 10 -- HELL NO !!!! After seeing them waste the #5 overall pick in 2010 on a DB that can't cover anyone's grandma, I don't ever want to see this team take a DB above #20 overall, ever again. Besides, outside of QB, Andy Reid has always drafted the men up front on both sides of the ball in the top half of the 1st round.

Don't bet on it. See the above article.

You dont want to see the Chiefs draft another defensive back that cant cover anyone's grandma, higher than #20 when Berry, the person you are complaining about, just went to the pro bowl for the 2nd time in 3 years and he tore his ACL the other year? Last years defense had him playing so close to the line to help stop the run and playing man on much bigger TEs. Thats not Berry's game. Look how much better he was in the pass game his rookie year when they let him play cover 2 or cover 1 and play center field and watch the QB. They were making him play out of position, just like they did to Dorsey. He is a ball hawk, not a man-to-man shut down corner. Maybe if we could stop the run with the front 7 like we are supposed to, then he wouldnt have to play up at the line and make more tackles than half the LBs.

I would be more than happy to take the best CB available, assuming we dont get one in F/A, and pair him with Flowers so we have at least some decent CBs. Otherwise we have only one true starter and a bunch of special teamers that should only come in in nickle and dime situations. We need another CB badly, so why not take the best one in the draft?

The O-line suffered a TON of injuries last season. At one point, Winston was playing LT along with Lilja at Center. I would feel pretty confident with this line heading into next season if they found a little more depth. Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah, and Winston is a pretty solid, and decently aged OL.

With what the Chiefs were able to pull off today, they've put themselves in a great position to be able to take the best player on the board. I can't say that I'm going to be angry with ANY player they select #1 overall. If they stay at #1 and deem that player to be the best on the board, I'll be happy with the selection. It's not like there's an obvious super star like Clowney, Luck, Calvin Johnson, or Adrain Peterson in this draft. That player just doesn't seem to be there this year. #1 through #25 are relatively equal. I can't tell you that I'd be anymore upset over the Chiefs taking Alec Ogletree instead of Luke Joekel at #1. If Geno Smith is #1 on the board, take him. If that guy is Joekel, take him.

The thing the Chiefs need to make sure of is that WHOEVER they decide to take #1 overall, that guy better be a perennial Pro Bowl player regardless of position. You HAVE to get this pick right and to me, in this draft, that means taking the best player at one of the lowest risk positions in the draft... be that DE/OLB, LT, DB, or OG. With the QB at DT positions taken care of for the foreseeable future, I think both those positions should be ruled out considering the high bust rate at those spots. Both carry about a 50% hit/miss rate. Franchising Albert does nothing for the long-term outlook at that position and the fact that the reports are saying they're "far apart" in negotiations would indicate Albert isn't necessarily the answer at LT for the Chiefs after this year. There's no guarantee Albert shows up for this season either. Franchised players have sat out half seasons before. If he does sign his tender and the Chiefs DO take a LT #1, there's nothing that says the Chiefs CAN'T use him inside for 2013 and let him walk after the season. I don't think the Chiefs WILL go LT, but I don't think you can necessarily rule it out if Dorsey is true to his word and Luke Joekel is #1 on the board.

However, I WILL say that I don't think Joekel is #1 on their board if they're willing to pay Albert as a top 5 LT this season. I think they have a couple guys ahead of him or they would've just taken the cash and ran to the podium with Joekel's name while filling another position through free agency. I actually think an OLB/DE or CB will be the pick at this point. I really do think Hali is capable of playing the 3-4 DE position which could allow you to let Dorsey walk and bring in another pass rusher #1 overall.