Order?

And what about the combees and psybeam in DP...errrr...Ok I dont rember which.... - CrystalLucario 14:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that was Vespiquin's Attack Order. - Cassius335 01:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Attack order.... I could swore brock said psybeam...but attack order make sense... - CrystalLucario 12:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of these attacks

Some of these attack seem like Physical Attributes and are they really that notable? Like Marnie's Drifloon knowing Fly. Are we sure we can consider that its actually using the game move Fly? The pokedex does say they try to carry children away, and Drifloon can float. I know she says fly but fly itself doesn't mean its actually the move. Here about this for an example, suppose there is a large flying Pokemon with wings, but it can't learn fly in the games, when it carries someone, is it really considered to be using the actual game move Fly? --Dman dustin 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering that, too. I suppose if a trainer tells their Pokémon to use (move), then it counts. TTEchidna 20:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

But is saying "Pokemon, move!" the same thing as "Pokemon, use move!"? - Cassius335 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Almost all Pokémon with wings can fly, but it isn't always the attack Fly. If it was the move Fly, they would have to hit the Pokémon not just fly away. JmathTalk 18:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Riolu is a similar issue. It's knowledge of Aura Sphere is due to it being able to manipulate aura, which its species normally can't do until after evolution. In fact, for all we know, it might use that move in the game anyway. --FabuVinnyT-C-S 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Take Riolu off the list, In Pokémon Ranger Batonnage There is a Bonus mission to get a Riolu and if you beat it, you can transfer it to D/P and It will know Aura Sphere--Quick Man 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Pikachu

Should Ash's Pikachu using Volt Tackle be added? I know it's an egg move from Pichu, but Ash's Pikachu learned it through a different way.- unsigned comment from Strawhat luffy (talk • contribs)

The only issue there is the method of learning, which the writers had no choice but to cheat on. --FabuVinny|Talk Page| 00:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, it could of known it all along and may have been born with the tequnique. It may have just taken it a while to figure out how to use it. Remember, games doesn't always equal anime. --☆ケンジガール 01:12, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that games =/= anime is the whole point of this article. --FabuVinny|Talk Page| 01:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

We include Volt Tackle, we include Misty's Azurill's Refresh. Trust me, Pokémon in the anime can learn moves through bull**** methods without a moment's notice. For example, if Dawn's newly-evolved Prinplup starts sparring against Ash's Monferno working on a bull**** method to learn Stealth Rock in DP085, would we include that? No.

(For the record, the example is not indicative of any actual DP085 plot.) --Shiningpikablu252 02:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the difference though is some Pokemon can't learn/know a specific move period. And TMs don't really exist in the anime, and so most of the time a Pokemon has to learn a move by watching someone else. (Ash's Turtwig with Energy Ball). And with the case of Pikachu, all it was required to do is store it's electricity and use Quick attack, which is probably how all Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu are capable of using Volt Tackle. The anime puts more realism in the show, since the games are limited. I would be surprised if the games had a system where if you used two attacks in a row and leveled up, it would learn a move that way. And I think the point of this article is for moves that a Pokemon cannot know a move for any reason. Like if a Caterpie started using Flamethrower. It cannot know it period. But Pikachu can know Volt Tackle --Dman dustin 18:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How do we know that Ash's Pikachu was never a Pichu that was bred with a Light Ball? For all we know, Pikachu could have hatched under the same circumstances as an in-game Pichu that knows Volt Tackle, only for some reason it was unaware that it could use the move until that moment. Diachronos 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"the games"

Riolu's Aura Sphere seems to have exposed an issue. What are we counting as "the games"? Just the main set (RBY,GSC,RSE,FRLG & DP) or the various side games as well? For that matter, what counts as "learned"? - Cassius335 10:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it counts any move that a Pokemon can learn through any method, as long as that Pokemon with that move can be brought over to a main game. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 11:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, because the Riolu is transferred to D/P, Riolu does learn Aura Sphere in D/P.--KukiTalk 13:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not what "learn" means, Kuki. It can "know" Aura Sphere in D/P, but there's no way within D/P themselves for Riolu to acquire Aura Sphere; not by level-up, not by TM, not by egg-move or Heart Scale, not even by Move tutor. Even in Baatonage, the Riolu doesn't "learn" Aura Sphere as such; it shows up already knowing the move, without any indication of how it got the move. That's sort of it's whole point: it's an abberation, an anomaly; A Pokemon which knows a move it shouldn't know until it evolves. As such, Riolu's Aura Sphere belongs on the list. - Cassius335 12:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If that is the case, Ash using Aura Sphere in movie 8 should also be on the list. --FabuVinny|Talk Page| 12:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Anime errors?

I couldn't find an article on this, but I remember general anime errors in the cartoon that weren't move related. Like Jenny commanding a Growlithe (by calling it Arcanine) to take down Team Rocket's balloon, and Pikachu's electric attack taking out Marowak, which is equally as bad as a move error. I know there's other examples out there too..
Would it be a good idea if there be a general Anime Errors article, with the move errors being a subset of it? Or am I just crazy? Toastypk 19:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

We have an errors section in every anime episode's page!--KukiTalk 19:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we have all the move related ones here, so just a thought. Toastypk 19:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Bronzor and Teleport

There was really no proof that it used Teleport. All that I saw was Bronzor using Confusion on the Unown and then they were gone. Maybe Saturn as a teleportation device. Unlikely but it could happen. --☆ケンジガール 22:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Jynx Ice Punch/Beam

I don't know if this is the right place to place this but in The Manarin Island Miss Match Loreli/Prima commands her Jynx to use Ice Beam and to me it looks a lot more like Ice Punch. - unsigned comment from Moretacos (talk • contribs) at 19:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

BUT it can learn both moves legally, and thats what we mean by errors moves they CAN"T learn in the games--KukiTalk 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That was just a dub error cause the idiots people at 4Kids can't tell the difference between Ice Beam and Ice Punch. --☆ケンジガール 20:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul's Ursaring

Ursaring can learn Headbutt by way of TM02 in Generation II. Perhaps Paul got his hands on a Johto TM and taught this move to Ursaring. ~$aturn¥oshiTHE VOICES 15:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Exept that there are no TM's in the anime.Pikachu learned Iron tail through training, not by a TM. - unsigned comment from Tomas (talk • contribs)

Nosepass and Hyperbeam?

We can't judge a Pokemon's attack solely by its appearance, just because it looked like Hyper beam doesn't mean it was hyper beam. Roxanne in the original said "denjihou" which is not hyper beam but Zap Cannon. Hyperbeam is "hakaikousen" unless someone who actually speaks Japanese would like clarify at what point did Nosepass use hyper beam. Plus it paralysing Nosepass sort of makes it final that Roxanne's Nosepass never used hyper beam. Also when has hyperbeam ever been electrical in its appearance? --Dman dustin 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't speak for the Japanese version. But my DVD with the dub has Roxanne saying "Zap Cannon". --Sato 13:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I did see the Japanese version, and like I said I clearly keep hearing the Japanese name for "Zap Cannon" (Denjihou). I wonder, do the people who think it is hyper beam, are basing it only on its appearance or are you actually basing it on what Roxanne said. Now I suppose its possible that in the very original (the first time this episode aired) Roxanne told Nosepass to use hyper cannon, but the version I saw, she says "Denjihou" which is Zap Cannon. Now you're probably going to ignore me because I don't speak Japanese, but I'd like to point out, I'm using these move names from someone who does speak Japanese. And like I said in July, since when has Hyper Beam been electrical in appearance. I'll gladly give the link of the version I saw, if someone needs it. --Dman dustin 15:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

EP25

When Ash's Pikachu attacks Team rocket with what Ash would usually call thunderbolt, he simply says "electric attack". Isn't that a type of special move instead?

Depends. Is it simply a dub error, or did he say it in Japanese, too? --隼也 20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Cheryl's Mothim & Ash's Chimchar

Cheryl's mothim used supersonic in the anime, but in the games, there's no way for him to learn it. am I right?

Ash's chimchar can't use pound, isn't it? but in the anime, it was seen using that move.

Pound is basically just hitting the opponent, it doesn't count (just like Samurai's Pinsir using tackle in episode 1 shouldn't really count because all tackle does is plow into the opponent, any solid Pokemon can do that) - unsigned comment from Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs)

Anime Pokémon Used Moves

There are plenty of moves on the "Used Moves" section on the pages of anime Pokémon that they cannot learn, shouldn't those be seperate from ones they can learn? (ex. Satoshi's Lizardon/Ash's Charizard, check out all those "illegal" moves!) GuyNamedSean 01:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Masquerain

Unless I'm completely bugging, I remember (was a VERY short scene) a Masquerain using Surf in one of the contests that May entered, which of course, can't be learned by said pokemon. Anyone remember this? >_< Myzou 00:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that scene. It could be Water Pulse, though. --☆Kevzo8 12:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Metagross

Really? First off it looked nothing like lock-on used when Brandon did it. Secondly I'm pretty sure it was just in reference to Metagross's supercomputer brain. And thirdly even if somehow it was lock-on it wouldn't explain why Metagross used it, Metagross did it to come up with a strategy against Wobbuffet. Lock-on would only guarantee Wobbuffet using a counter move like Counter or Mirror Coat not surpass it. And finally it was never mentioned by Team Rocket to be Lock on. Really it was mostly a reference to it's intelligence not a move itself. I thought that was pretty obvious given those "Fakey Equations" going through Metagross's eyes. I mean what Supercomputer is incapable of figuring out the angles and what needs to be done. With Lock-on the move it may have nothing to do with intelligence but in Metagross's case it was. So I think Metagross should be removed due to lack of evidence. --Dman dustin 10:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A Dusknoir with Rapid Spin

In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky anime special, Dusknoir used Rapid Spin, which it can't learn in the games. Also, what's the attack called that Dusknoir used on the ghost girl in Ghoul Daze?--Brats817 23:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

If your going..

..to have a page listing this stuff then you may as well have a page listing the fact that in the anime Pokemon can learn more then 4 moves unlike the game. When Krabby evolved into Kingler it used 5 moves after evolving. And half of these moves listed are just the Pokemon doing things they could normally do if they were real which the anime makes out they are cause in the games you can't tell a Pokemon to dodge an attack or use an attack at the same time as an opponent. Also the comments about Counter for Caterpie and such IIRC Ash merely said for Caterpie to counter the attack not meaning use the counter attack but to do something to counter it which could be understandable since he could have not known the attacks it could use. Also if your adding things to this page then why not have that Brock's Onix used Wrap on many occasions? And Ash's Larvitar didn't use the move Harden, it just Hardened up which is an expression like clamming up. The anime doesn't follow the same rules as the games. To me this page seems a bit of a waste.--Lycos Ex Mortis 10:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

A whole page about that would be a waste. And I don't think they've ever used more than 4 moves in an episode. But aside from that, they could learn new moves. Basically, what you're saying is that we should also (if we made the page) add Ash's Pikachu to that page, since it has used more than 4 moves. Which is why the page would be a waste, because we'd be adding most of the main characters' Pokémon to the page, and only them. R.A.HunterBlade 12:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Besides, there is a Differences between the games and anime page, that help point out the major differences between both versions, might want to check it out, but think carefully if you want to contribute because if you unintentionally post something that would be considered noteworthy, then I guarantee it will be removed. -Tyler53841 02:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Mewtwo

Should Mewtwo using Shadow Ball before it was introduced be in the "less blatant examples" section? Flyingtypefan 21:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If "we" did that, we'd have to include all of the anime moves that came out before the games. Such as Aura Sphere, and what I'm assuming is "Night Burst" with Zoroark, as well as Blaziken's Blaze Kick. It could be a slippery slope. --Dman dustin 21:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Except those Pokémon were from the generations the moves debuted, unlike Mewtwo. --Gοldenpelt 05:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Well, i have another thing i think should be in the less blatant examples. Brock's Ludicolo knows Water Gun and Razor Leaf, and while it can learn both of those through breeding, it cannot have them both at once. What do you think? Flyingtypefan 00:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Markings for dub errors

I think there should be a special mark for moves in which the dub made a mistake, not the original. Like Bulbasaur's Whirlwind and Vulpix's Agility. Maybe we could also have marks for moves that were incorrectly named in the original. Like Nosepass's Hyper Beam. Clearly, it was an electrical attack. Just a suggestion. --ケンジのガール 02:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

We could just add * with {{tt}} next to the move name mentioning that it only affects X language. --SnorlaxMonster 03:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Horsea's "Sludge"

In EP019, Horse was spraying ink, not sludge. So the move Horsea was actually using would be Octazooka, a move Horsea can learn through breeding. XVuvuzela2010X 00:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

So it wasn't stated to be Sludge, or even an attack? If so, the entry here and the move on Horsea's page need to be fixed, and the image should be deleted. --SnorlaxMonster 02:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No, all they said was "Horsea's trying to tell us something", I've fixed this page, and the pages for Misty's Horsea and Sludge, I think the image can be removed since it's not used anywhere else. XVuvuzela2010X 09:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Based on what you've said, it seems unlikely to even be Octazooka, rather, it is just spitting ink. Unless it was stated to be that move, I don't think it should be considered as such. --SnorlaxMonster 11:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats fine, I just assumed it would be accepted as Octazooka as I thought it would be obvious, like how Shadow Ball and Rollout were used in M01, depite appearing before Gen II and not being reffered to as such. XVuvuzela2010X 11:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Comparing it to Octazooka's other anime appearances, it is not very similar. And it is very early in the anime for a next Generation move to appear. --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Sprites

I was reading this page, and noticed that the Pokémon sprites are ones from Platinum (I've never played DP, so it could be those). Shouldn't they be changed to HGSS or BW sprites? --Nathan2055 22:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Those files show the current sprites. I am certain they're from BW. If they're not, then they need to be updated. —♥Jellotalk 22:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

James' Wheezing

In the Less blatant examples section it says:
In another episode, Weezing is seen carrying James while levitating.
First, Wheezing only possible ability (counting Dream World abilities) is Levitate. It also does not specifically say which episode this occurred in. --Nathan2055talk 02:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

That was me, I did leave a note in the edit summary, but obviousy nobody seen it. The animation style would suggest that it is after EP261 and it would have to be before EP280, when Weezing and Arbok were dumped. XVuvuzela2010X 03:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Episode 5

I could find any other place to put this and i am not sure if it is just the player i am using. but when ash hands pikachu over to nurse Joy for a second there are 2 pikachus. Angel10698 20:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

oh....then it must be the player i am using. sorry. Angel10698 23:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
i know each article has an error section but i wasn't sure if i was authorized to put stuff like that in. so i looked for the talk section and couldn't find one.Angel10698 23:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

There is still a possibility that no one saw that error, but I don't remember seeing that when I watched it. --Nathan2055talk 19:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Are we sure that they're actually using the move Counter? What stops it from being just an order to counter-attack? Staryu's attack looks nothing like Counter when used by Wobbuffet or Houndoom use it. There is no glow or anything, all it does is jump out of the water and use another Tackle. Considering that neither Staryu or Caterpie can learn it, I think it would make perfect sense that it wasn't really Counter being used, just an order to launch any attack of its own. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 08:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Regigigas's Hammer Arm

OK, apparently other people seem to think it DID use Hammer Arm. Rather than remove it again and start an edit war, I'm going to state why I think it didn't use Hammer Arm. First, the attack's name was never identified. Second, so Regigigas's fist glowed and it hit the Regi trio with it. That's not only a trait of Hammer Arm, but it can also apply to Focus Punch or Mega Punch, both of them being moves Regigigas CAN learn. Would it not make sense to assume one of those first?

As for Entei's Hypnosis, it's not a real Entei, so it shouldn't be counted as an error. I believe that for a similar reason we didn't include Dr. Yung's Aggron's Bullet Seed, as said Aggron was a Mirage Pokémon. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 12:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Hammer Arm wasn't identified, but still, I believe it was Hammer Arm. As opposed to Focus or Mega Punch, Regigigas's arms up to its elbows were white. It raised its arms above its head, and then slammed the Regis down into the ground with its forearms. Keyword: foreams. Focus and Mega Punch are just that, a punch; so it wasn't a punch. Hmm, though I do see your point about Entei, however. It wasn't a real Pokemon, so it probably could learn moves it can't learn on its own. 0-0 I guess my opinion would be feel free to take that off. ^-^ Littlmiget123 14:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, yeah, I see what you mean. Could've been Hammer Arm, then, though I swear that when I saw the episode, I was thinking Focus Punch. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 16:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

With the more newer episodes, such as that one, Focus Punch is usually associated with a light blue aura around the fist, as well. ^-^ Littlmiget123 16:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I don't really agree with Hypnosis's removal. I could understand that the fake Entei could use moves it cant normally learn, but every other move it uses are normal moves for Entei. If it used a whole bunch of other moves like Hydro Pump or Ice Beam then fine, but it appears as though it was a genuine error.

Though if it does not actually send the other Pokemon to sleep, then I'm fine with removing it (I cant remember this part of the film). XVuvuzela2010X 17:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

In the movie, Entei uses it to control Delia and make her believe that she is Molly's Mom instead of Ash's. Littlmiget123 17:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Constrict

Does Duplica's ditto (as Ash's Bulbasaur) actually use constrict? It is not mentioned in the dub, was it mentioned in Japanese? XVuvuzela2010X 00:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I had added that one. Epic fail on my part. I misheard something in the dub. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Nuzleaf

Nuzleaf has a Grasswhistle error which is mentioned in the main part of the article and in the minor errors section. Which section does it belong in, and can the other be removed? Ikarishipper900 01:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Different generation moves

Should we split that section to differentiate between which ones were previously actually possible (Espeon's Zap Cannon, Charizard's Dragonbreath), and which ones really were errors at the time of the episode airing (Koffing's Poison Gas, Lickitung's Lick)? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 15:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess, but the article is already split up a lot anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 15:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Mew and Mewtwo

Are they really using Psybeam? Psybeam in the anime has always been a multicoloured beam, wherase Mew and Mewtwo's is only pink and blue respectively. XVuvuzela2010X 03:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed new rule for anime move errors

I suggest that we not assume that a Pokémon uses a move it cannot learn in the games, unless outright stated that it is the move. Of course, if a move was ridiculously blatant, then it should still be considered the move (can't think of an existing example), but no Pokémon should be assumed to use a move like Fly if it cannot learn the move and it is not outright stated. --SnorlaxMonster 10:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

*coughs* I agree about the Fly thing as well as Dig and Surf and any other moves that animals could generally perform in nature anyway. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ♥ 11:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

And this is something I hope to apply to the individual move pages as well. For example, Fly (move) currently lists both Garchomp and Heracross as anime move errors, despite only carrying their Trainer and not being stated to be using the move. --SnorlaxMonster 12:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Nods* I agree about the Fly thing. That's how I used to add them: If the Pokemon didn't learn the moves, then they shouldn't be added to the page. I did not add Heracross and Garchomp, but someone was so determined that they were using Fly. ^-^; Littlmiget123 16:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I had added them before because that just seemed to be what Fly was in the anime. But I dont think any of the Digs or Fly's are even listed on the user's pages, so just remove them. Some other things may need checking:

Wobbuffet and Larvitar dont really look like they are using Bide/Harden, or anything, in those pics.

Was it ever stated that Rayquaza was using Seismic Toss? Its not like it could have been commanded to do it.

After Duplica's Ditto used "Constrict" was removed, I dont trust the claim that mini-Dit used Tackle.

I cant see why Kriketune, a bug, would be using Bullet Seed.

Can we get a better pic for Yuxie's Teleport? Like one that doesnt look like a testcard.

For Lickitung and Victreebel, I wouldn't call Tackle, now! proof that it's a move. That sounds like the kind of thing that could just be a physical action. However, they both used Tackle on other occasions. I just checked Princess vs. Princess, and Jessie says "prepare for Tackle attack", so Lickitung is confirmed. Victreebel used Tackle in Flower Power too; Jessie said "Use Tackle attack together" to Victreebel and Arbok, which is where this image came from. --SnorlaxMonster 16:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Lickitung didnt use tackle in Princess vs Princess. I just watched it, and it ignored her and just stood there. XVuvuzela2010X 17:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it didn't, but it was commanded to. The judges commented that the Pokémon were ignoring their Trainers. If it couldn't use the move, it wouldn't be ignoring her. --SnorlaxMonster 17:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I dont think Princess vs Princess should be listed in the First Use column, since it didnt actually use the move. Also, for Pikachu, in The Double Trouble Header, Ash and Casey order their Pokemon to use a Double Tackle attack, so I dont know if that should be here? XVuvuzela2010X 17:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Pikachu also uses Tackle in Trouble's Brewing too, along with Arbok, Victreebel and Poliwhirl. At least according to the article. --SnorlaxMonster 17:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

On the subject of Larvitar, did Brock or rather Takeshi specifically say "kataku naru" (Japanese pronunciation of Harden) or are you all basing it on the dub. Because the dub made it clear that Brock wasn't referring to the actual move, but was using it to describe Larvitar's emotional state. It's kind of like saying "My son put up a brick wall, and now he won't talk to me" if you know anything about metaphors, you would know that in my example the father didn't mean the son LITERALLY put up a brick wall but was used as a metaphor to refer to the son's emotional state. If I remember correctly what Brock specifically said was "Larvitar hardened up" it was a reference to its emotional state, not a Pokemon move. Basically if you didn't get the metaphor, is Larvitar is hardened up and didn't allow other people to get close to him on the same level as Ash. Now before "kataku naru" is confirmed, can the metaphor be translated in Japanese in the same way, or not? --Dman dustin 18:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Bulbasaur's Whirlwind, according to the moves page, he first used it in EP010? And to partly answer the question above, most of the errors on this page should be presumed to be dub only until confirmed. XVuvuzela2010X 18:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I feel that if there is one use which is "Tackle it!", and is later used as "Use Tackle attack", we should consider the first one the first use. It wasn't confirmed to be Tackle in that episode, but it was later on. Unless of course there is a difference in the method of use. I'm referring to Pikachu and Poliwhirl specifically. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Haunter's Leer

In The Tower of Terror, when Ash's Charmander is ordered to use Leer against Haunter, Haunter uses Leer back at it. But since, being a wild Pokemon at the time, its not ordered to use leer, should it be included? XVuvuzela2010X 18:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Um, that wasn't Leer? After Charmander used Leer, Haunter used a Lick attack after staring at it for a while to see if it would effect. ^-^' Littlmiget123 20:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon performing an action which resembles a move

would this includes pokemon who dig, fly and dive but without actually using the move? DiamondLanturnCodeName: 05308 19:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The section really isn't needed at all. It was originally a text-only list explaining why certain things weren't errors, and was turned into another list altogether (which seems unnecessary to me). If it is kept, I guess those are, but I don't see why we need anything more than plain text with perhaps a few images. --SnorlaxMonster 12:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Entei's 'Hypnosis'

As stated previously, Entei's 'Hypnosis' was not used to put Delia to sleep, so it cannot be the move. Vuvuzela2010 ☠ 17:18, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it did put her to sleep. Then when she woke up, she was in a trance. Also, at the beginning of the series, and even now, Hypnosis is used to put people in trance. Three that easily come to mind is Melvin's Exeggcute and Exeggutor, and Hypno from the Pokemon Lover's Club. u_u Littlmiget123 20:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Gary's Umbreon

Can we settle the Umbreon Agility dispute once and for all? Gary's Umbreon was told to use its agility. Consider that another Umbreon has used the move illegally and was depicted similarly to how Gary's Umbreon used Quick Attack. Gary's showed no signs that it was doing anything more than dodging, which can be allowed because to "use your agility" is synonymous with "use your speed" (to dodge). That is my belief in what happened and I would like someone to respond beyond undoing my removal of what I believe to be a misinterpretation. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 08:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No one in the anime ever says 'use your speed'. They'd tell their Pokemon to dodge the attack. And yes, Tamao's Umbreon used an attack similar to Quick Attack, however, it isn't Quick Attack. That's like saying Scald looks similar to Water Gun, so it must be Water Gun. v-v But she told it to use Agility. Pokemon can have a variety of attack patterns (again, I point out Axew's Dragon Rage), and attack errors are the same way. Telling a Pokemon to 'use its speed' to dodge an attack isn't a sentence in the English language and doesn't really make all that much sense. Also, if the topic hasn't been replied to, don't get rid of said information from the page. Add a reminder to the topic because I didn't even see this on the recent changes because I've been busy this weekend. v-v Otherwise, I would have replied. Littlmiget123 14:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

You don't think it would be more unreasonable to make up the ability to use a move than to say "use your speed"? Gary spent most of the episode boasting about Umbreon's speed. Your entire argument, with all due respect, is based on "this isn't what happens in the English language"

The decision on moves is flawed in my opinion - no one is ever allowed to have Fly on their template because the term is too commonplace but Agility, despite not being able to learn it and it already knowing Double Team, must be a move. Not long ago, Counter was taken off Misty's Staryu because I convinced people that it was used as a simple battle command, not an order to use the actual move. I believe that Umbreon's agility cut from the same cloth.

I included the point about Tamao's Umbreon, not because I'm doubting that it was told to use Agility, but because I am comparing it to Gary's, which I am doubting. A) it looks completely different, B) because Gary's Umbreon doesnt do anything more than dodge, not in any way resembling anyone else using Agility at the time.

Finally, and the most important part, is that Agility was ordered in the DUB ONLY. Those points I believe are surely enough to put doubt that the writers intended to give Umbreon a move that it didn't know. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 20:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Also please don't "community" me when you're the only one reverting and commenting. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 23:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Please don't talk rudely to me. I am merely defending my claim just as you wanted it; I am not attacking you in any way. -_- I am also not implying in the least bit that I am taking it upon myself to speak for the community, nor did I ever say that. I was just merely saying that you cannot take it off after bringing up the conversation a day later, especially since your edit has been reverted a couple of times.

To counter your first point, you never hear any other character in the show, let alone any other show, refer to dodging an attack as agility. Agility is used to say how fast a character is, yes, but it is never used in a sentence like that. I'm a native speaker of the USA, and I accel in Literature and Language Arts.

For your next point, when Pikachu's Agility debuted, it showed Pikachu dodging Raichu's Body Slam and Take Down attacks, and this was referred to as Agility. In fact, most of the instances that Agility is used, it is used for dodging attacks. Going down the template, I can list Pikachu, Farfetch'd, Seadra, Goldeen, Dragonite, Skarmory, Cyndaquil, and you can probably see the rest.

Fly is a much different case. As is Counter. When Counter is said at the begining of the show, it is mostly used as a replacement for a 'Counterattack'. This brings us back to point number one. ^-^; Littlmiget123 02:01, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Rudeness was never my intention, sorry if that was how my wording was construed. However, I do not accept your argument and I would like to hear from others. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 03:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I just rewatched the episode and whilst I see your point, it should be noted that Brock said "Umbreon has great agility", as opposed to "a great Agility" or "a great Agility attack". One never says "Quilava has great Flamethrower" or "Flygon has great Earthquake". "This I think holds some weight that it was intended as an adjective, not a move. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 03:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, agility refers to speed and nimbleness - the exact qualities that would be required to dodge an attack. Personally, I'd lean towards it just being the best word for the translation rather than the actual move, especially since it is dub only. Using any other word or combination of words in there would likely have made it sound awkward, and as a result the translators were left beteen a rock and a hard place. Werdnae(talk) 03:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

For the record, Misty's command to Staryu was "Counterattack"/"Counter attack". Anyway, "use your agility" does not make it an attack; it is perfectly normal English, and since it was not in the Japanese version, Umbreon cannot learn Agility, and another Umbreon has used it and it looked completely different, I see no reason to assume that it is an attack. It would be nice if someone could get the original Japanese quote for the command though. Also, I think it is better to remove a potentially erroneous statement then discuss it, rather than leave it there potentially giving misinformation to readers while it is discussed, unless there is significant reason not to. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I concede defeat. ^-^ It can be gotten rid of. Everyone brought up some good points. v-v Littlmiget123 16:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Tony's Bite

Having rewatched the episode, at no point in it does Ralph order the specific move Bite. In fact, he doesn't say anything. Granted, Fury Swipes was ordered and is a legitimate anime move error. However, Bite seemed just to be a desperate last resort for Tony as Arbok was crushing him and his mate. I do recall that Ash's Pikachu used its teeth to bite onto something in one of the Pikachu shorts (memory fails me I'm afraid) so I would like to question the presence of Tony using Bite on this page. Toon Ganondorf(tc) 03:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

If it wasn't called Bite in the anime, then it shouldn't be treated as the move. Did the same "never commanded to use the move" apply to Maria as well? --SnorlaxMonster 13:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon which can learn a move only via an event

I find this section completely unnecessary. Event is just as valid a method of learning a move as move tutor, pre-evolution, or form change. I know it's under the non-errors heading, but we would be putting stuff like Victini's V-create there as well. Honestly, I don't think we need the "Pokémon performing an action which resembles a move" section either, since it really just exists to stop people from adding them to the main list (which could easily be solved by a list here on the talk page). --SnorlaxMonster 14:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree fully with the event thing. They were given the moves on purpose fully knowing that they can't learn it under normal circumstances. Things are not errors when they are done intentionally. If the Pokémon can learn a move by any means in the games, it should not be counted as an error. It's making it seem like learning things by event is an illegitimate way to get certain moves. --ケンジのガール 23:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree. The animators knew exactly what they were doing when they used aime counterparts for specific individuals of species brought on by game events.--SandmanDP 00:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Lugia's "unknown" move

The article states that Lugia uses an unknown Psychic type move to break the ice .

Wouldn't it be more likely that Lugia is using safeguard to break the ice?

The little force field could of fade by dissipating its energy into breaking the ice. Yamitora1 09:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Name change

Very few of these are actual "errors". Not many people seem to realize that everything from the games doesn't always apply to the anime. Why should a Pokémon with a different move set be considered an "error", but a Pokémon with an entirely different history isn't called an "error" (i.e. Mewtwo was born from a Mew in the games... he was born from an incubator-type machine in the anime). I suggest changing the name of this article to "Anime move differences" or something.

On an unrelated note, a section of "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games" is missing. Stuff in this section would include Ash's Charizard using Fly before Yellow Version came out, Victor's Pikachu using Surf before Nintendo distributed their first 1000 Surfing Pikachus / released Pokémon Stadium 2 (although I think this would have been different in Japan), Mewtwo using Shadow Ball before Generation II came out, along with many others. Dannyjenn 04:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The name issue was brought up on the forums, but we couldn't come up with a decent alternative. I don't like "anime move differences", because it implies that they are different within the anime, not different to the games.

As for the missing "moves used by Pokémon at a time in which the move could not be used in the games", Ash's Charizard didn't use Fly until EP105, by which stage Yellow was already out. Also, we don't consider Puka riding a surfboard to be using the move Surf either. Mewtwo doesn't count because the move didn't exist then, and it gained access as soon as it did. --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Moves Section

I couldn't think of another section to put this in: it's called the Moves Used section, not the the Moves Commanded to use section. Just because a trainer tells his/her Pokemon to do something, doesn't necessarily mean that the pokemon actually knows that move. Remember when James told Weezing to use Hyper Beam, and they realized that Weezing never learned the move? If they had been interrupted before Weezing could "use" Hyper Beam, would we still list it in the Moves Used section
for it?