17-b-triol in AX Lean FX seems to be the most potent of the anti-corts. I personally like DS Lean Xtreme, but I have used 17b-triol in the past with good success. These are DHEA derivatives, with 17b-triol seeming to be the strongest of the metabolites.

why use anti cort/ after havoc cycle and what else would you recomend besides that and a serm?

You use an anti-cort because cortisol uses the muscles as energy, so basically puts you at a catabolic state, by using the anti-cort you stop that from happening which enables you to keep your gains

What im doing is using

Diesel Test Hardcore
Anti-cort
Creatine
Post Cycle Support
Cycle Support (whats left from the cycle not much)
Omega3 oils
Protein
Cissus/Joint support

Im not using a serm cause I don't feel like dealing w/ the legalities of it, otherwise I might as well have used injectable steroids, people have had good results w/ pct like the one above though by what i've read

You use an anti-cort because cortisol uses the muscles as energy, so basically puts you at a catabolic state, by using the anti-cort you stop that from happening which enables you to keep your gains

What im doing is using

Diesel Test Hardcore
Anti-cort
Creatine
Post Cycle Support
Cycle Support (whats left from the cycle not much)
Omega3 oils
Protein
Cissus/Joint support

Im not using a serm cause I don't feel like dealing w/ the legalities of it, otherwise I might as well have used injectable steroids, people have had good results w/ pct like the one above though by what i've read

What are you going to be dosing the DTHC like? and which week will you be starting on the PCS?

Running the Anti-cort frfom day 1 of pct?

“We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

I understand the need for cort control in PCT, but here's my question: aren't the products mentioned suppressive? They're all DHEA derivatives, as someone mentioned, ie hormonal. The #1 thing in PCT is to restore natural test, so won't these products be counter-productive?

Or is that why you wait until week 3 to start? If that's the case, then that leads to this question - when does cortisol spike post-cycle? I always thought it was an issue right away.

I understand the need for cort control in PCT, but here's my question: aren't the products mentioned suppressive? They're all DHEA derivatives, as someone mentioned, ie hormonal. The #1 thing in PCT is to restore natural test, so won't these products be counter-productive?

Or is that why you wait until week 3 to start? If that's the case, then that leads to this question - when does cortisol spike post-cycle? I always thought it was an issue right away.

Anyone know the answers to these?

Thats debatable... I would use EndoAmp for month one and LX for month 2 ect... I run long pct's for long cycles... thats just me