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People keep coming on this board and saying “law of attraction works." Well, Abraham claims that everyone can release any deadly illness from their body. There is even a suggestion for how to move up the vibrational stick on AIDS [link to www.abraham-hicks.com] If that is the case, where is the medical documentation of people curing themselves of AIDs. And furthermore, why aren’t more Abers re-growing severed limbs or born-blinds gaining sight? Abraham has been spouting off their theories for nearly 30 years now. Surely they must have one AIDs patient who released their resistance and came back into their wellbeing?

Abraham gets a kick out of the fact that law of attraction can’t be proven, but the things they allege—such as being able to regain wellbeing from any illness—CAN be proven. And there is no verifiable case of this happening. There is nothing to suggest that the processes and games that Abraham offers work any better than psychotherapy, acupuncture, Therapeutic Touch, or any other pseudo-scientific concept. Period.

As for the AC who said that Abraham people don’t suffer through an economic crisis, that is a hasty generalization that is simply not true. Just listen to the CDs and you will see how Abraham people are continuing to suffer even after years of doing this sort of work. A woman’s husband died trying to use these processes to come back into wellbeing. Another lived out of her car. Another woman and her child were in a plane crash—after having done years of this work. The longer Abraham is around, the more frustrated those who come to their workshops are when they say, “I’ve been doing this stuff for years and here’s my problem.” Then Abraham makes up some excuse for what they’re doing wrong.

First of all, each to their own. But it's true, a lot of people seem to be commenting without really knowing enough about it. With regards to growing new limbs and people curing themselves of terminal illness, as Abraham says its a matter of believing it enough for it to be able to happen. For years no one has believed it is possible, so even if after listening to Abraham you thought ok, maybe it could be possible, that's still far from being able to manifest it. A lot of it is retraining your way of thinking and beliefs because if you believe enough that something isn't possible, then it's not going to be possible! Years of believing that things in life work a certain way and that we basically have no control over them means that trying to instantly manifest all this previously unbelievable stuff is not going to happen. You've got to truly believe it enough for it to happen. Napoleon Hill actually probably said it best - "what the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve."

Plus, I know this will be controversial too but I believe that ultimately we all choose when to pass on, whether consciously or unconsciously. Too many people see death as the ultimate terrible thing, when its probably the best thing if you are really unhappy with life here and can't pull yourself out of it or you feel like you've done enough. I realise this will probably open a can of worms but it's just my opinion.

I first heard of them when I was bought one of the books and it resonated with me almost straight away. I wasn't looking for anything or asking for help or something when I got the book. But it just made a lot of sense to me about the way life works. And I notice it more and more in everyday life. I manifested my ideal job after being out of work for a year, despite the financial crisis and the really tough job market. Yes it took me a little while but I know that was because a part of me didn't really believe in the current job market I would be able to get a job I really wanted. Part of me kept going back to, ok maybe I should just take a job I don't really want as at least then I'll have one! But I wrote a list of things I wanted from my new job and 2 months since starting there and I have ticked every single one. I know that's not some amazing example like manifesting $1million but it showed me that if I believe it enough I can create it.

Plus the reason money is so prominent in their teachings is because in this day and age money is often the thing that dominates most peoples lives! I know that's always been my main issue and that being poor as a child has affected my beliefs about money today. That's why its generally a lot easier for rich people to make more money, because they already know and believe they can make money, so it comes easy to them. And vice versa for poor people - often their belief is that it's hard and a struggle to make money so that's what continues to manifest for them.

Like I said this is all just my opinion and I believe it has helped me to lead a happier life. I'm not brainwashed, I got bought one of their books and bought one other myself so it's not like they've made hundreds off me. I am happy believing this and haven't seen it have a detrimental effect on my life or anyone else's I know who uses it. I just wanted to share how I feel about it - I'm done now!

First of all, each to their own. But it's true, a lot of people seem to be commenting without really knowing enough about it.

Quoting: AGirlNamedHope 1163080

A lot of people may be commenting on it without knowing a lot about it. I, for one, am not one of those people. Having applied Abraham’s processes for 6 years, spoken with Abraham, read every book they published, and listened to oodles of CDs (not to mention completing nearly 5,000 focus wheels and god knows how many other processes), I think that I am justified in commenting on their materials.

With regards to growing new limbs and people curing themselves of terminal illness, as Abraham says its a matter of believing it enough for it to be able to happen. For years no one has believed it is possible, so even if after listening to Abraham you thought ok, maybe it could be possible, that's still far from being able to manifest it.

Quoting: AGirlNamedHope 1163080

Your logic does not agree with Abraham, who says, "For there is much evidence to show that people can recover from supposedly “incurable” diseases." -Money and the Law of Attraction pg 109. According to them, things like this have and are occurring. If your rub is with the specifics I have mentioned (AIDs, limbs regrowing), I would like the documented evidence on one of these other cured "incurable" illnesses Abraham discusses.

I manifested my ideal job after being out of work for a year, despite the financial crisis and the really tough job market. Yes it took me a little while but I know that was because a part of me didn't really believe in the current job market I would be able to get a job I really wanted. Part of me kept going back to, ok maybe I should just take a job I don't really want as at least then I'll have one! But I wrote a list of things I wanted from my new job and 2 months since starting there and I have ticked every single one. I know that's not some amazing example like manifesting $1million but it showed me that if I believe it enough I can create it.

Quoting: AGirlNamedHope 1163080

People have had the same sorts of success as you have discussed with bogus psychics, mediums, and healers. If that is the case, and Abraham cannot offer more evidence than frauds, then I see no reason for their material to be taken more seriously.

I am pleased to hear that the teachings haven’t had a detrimental effect on your life. They have had such an effect on other people’s lives, and I have been enraged by some of the stories I’ve heard.

Did you know that Esther and Jerry tried to trademark "The Law of Attraction" in 2006?

You can look this up if you go to the US Patent & Trademark office online [link to www.uspto.gov] and search for "Law of Attraction." I highly recommend taking a gander, but here are some wonderful excerpts.

The examining attorney rejected the Hicks' claim that Law of Attraction was theirs to trademark, and then the Applicant [Jerry, Esther, and lawyers] contested the attorney's evidence, stating, “none of these articles suggest that LAW OF ATTRACTION is a concept that existed prior to the first usage by the Hicks in conjunction with their teachings in the area of self esteem and inspiration.”

The examining attorney responded with:

"This is simply not true. The evidence shows that the term was in use as early as 1906 in connection with self-help and remains in common use today, separate and apart from its use by applicant."

The verdict?

"The examining attorney has provided ample proof that the term “law of attraction” was not coined by applicant, but is used in the self-help community to describe a particular form of self-help, and that the term has been in constant use since at least 1906."

Application denied! They are in the process of trying to get "Abraham Hicks Law of Attraction" trademarked.

I found something else very interesting while sifting through the back and forth between Esther and Jerry's attorney and the US Patent & Trademark peeps. In the Hicks' defense for registering their trademark, they include a statement from Karen Sherlock, who was a Project Coordinator for the Hicks back in the days when they were trying to get this trademark off the ground. Keep in mind, Jerry, Esther, and their attorney approved this statement to be included in their evidence towards getting their trademark. Here is what Karen said (starts on 64 of entire document):“I am employed by Esther and Jerry Hicks.”

“At page 22, Esther begins to speak about an idea created by the Hicks that they arbitrarily named—the Law of Attraction.”

“Another philosophical idea created by the Hicks, and fancifully named “Law of Deliberate Creation” is discussed.”

Arbitrarily? Fancifully? Created by the Hicks? Is this how we talk about information we allegedly receive from "infinite intelligence"?“I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct.”

In the early 1990's they warned about massive earth changes, huge constant earthquakes, upheaval for a while until finally ending and leading to some kind of golden age.

They made it seem like it was going to be fairly soon.

It's like 18 years later...

I dunno, its tiring with people like these.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483402

In case you haven't noticed there have in fact been massive earth changes lately, Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst ever, The tsunami in Indonesia, powerful earthquakes in China, Haiti,Chile, massive volcano in Iceland that shut air travel down all over Western Europe. Like, where have you been?

In the early 1990's they warned about massive earth changes, huge constant earthquakes, upheaval for a while until finally ending and leading to some kind of golden age.

They made it seem like it was going to be fairly soon.

It's like 18 years later...

I dunno, its tiring with people like these.

In case you haven't noticed there have in fact been massive earth changes lately, Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst ever, The tsunami in Indonesia, powerful earthquakes in China, Haiti,Chile, massive volcano in Iceland that shut air travel down all over Western Europe. Like, where have you been?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1172136

The early Abraham stuff was predicting a major earthquake in the California. It didn't happen in case you didn't notice. Just because earthquakes happen in the world, it doesn't make their false predictions right. Besides, I think Sylvia Browne gets to use the "there will be an earthquake somewhere in the world" con.

In case you haven't noticed there have in fact been massive earth changes lately, Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst ever, The tsunami in Indonesia, powerful earthquakes in China, Haiti,Chile, massive volcano in Iceland that shut air travel down all over Western Europe. Like, where have you been?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1172136

Once again, what about--"Volcanic ash will be experienced in all parts of your world, as the volcanoes around your earth are simultaneously activated. Face masks and goggles will be of great value"? (A New Beginning I, page 79)

There are actual predictions of specific fault lines and states in A New Beginning I. It isn't just, "bad things will happen in the future."

In the early 1990's they warned about massive earth changes, huge constant earthquakes, upheaval for a while until finally ending and leading to some kind of golden age.

They made it seem like it was going to be fairly soon.

It's like 18 years later...

I dunno, its tiring with people like these.

In case you haven't noticed there have in fact been massive earth changes lately, Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst ever, The tsunami in Indonesia, powerful earthquakes in China, Haiti,Chile, massive volcano in Iceland that shut air travel down all over Western Europe. Like, where have you been?

The early Abraham stuff was predicting a major earthquake in the California. It didn't happen in case you didn't notice. Just because earthquakes happen in the world, it doesn't make their false predictions right. Besides, I think Sylvia Browne gets to use the "there will be an earthquake somewhere in the world" con.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154409

Predicting earthquakes in the world is a common psychic con. If you know a little science you would know that there are usually thousands of earthquakes every year. You can't miss with the hurricanes either.

Abraham Hicks is a fraud and only a guise for Esther Hick's narcissism. I can't stand the "blame the victim" mentality.

The truth is the human condition is hard to face. Bad things happen to good people and people want an easy fix so they turn to law of attraction. Sometimes you have to fight for good, and stick up for things that are bad, and yes, it's not easy.. Happy thoughts won't fix the world...if they did it would be fixed by now. So IT"S A SCAM.

There is Esther showing the way through "Abraham".She can't go wrong because when something goes wrong in your life...it's always your fault. Law of attraction is what many believe is a saving grace,...but it's only a crutch to keep your mind at a low level and the blame always on you.

Heaven forbid you are a victim of abuse, neglect, war, or anything else out of your control..because Abraham Hicks will tell you (ever so politely and sly) that it's all apart of a master plan and you, yes you, brought it on yourself.

Abraham Hicks is a fraud and only a guise for Esther Hick's narcissism. I can't stand the "blame the victim" mentality.

The truth is the human condition is hard to face. Bad things happen to good people and people want an easy fix so they turn to law of attraction. Sometimes you have to fight for good, and stick up for things that are bad, and yes, it's not easy.. Happy thoughts won't fix the world...if they did it would be fixed by now. So IT"S A SCAM.

There is Esther showing the way through "Abraham".She can't go wrong because when something goes wrong in your life...it's always your fault. Law of attraction is what many believe is a saving grace,...but it's only a crutch to keep your mind at a low level and the blame always on you.

Heaven forbid you are a victim of abuse, neglect, war, or anything else out of your control..because Abraham Hicks will tell you (ever so politely and sly) that it's all apart of a master plan and you, yes you, brought it on yourself.

Quoting: it's a scam 1189173

Jerry Hicks was a top distributor at Amway, which uses this same "blame the victim" technique. Top Amway distributors tell you that your business' success or failure depends on how you use the program. If YOU don't make money, it is because YOU weren't putting forward the necessary effort. However, in 1982, it was discovered that the Amway system did not benefit the majority of distributors. In fact, it only benefited 1% of the top distributors--and the majority of these elite distributors were still "making a net income of minus $918 peryear." ( [link to www.skepdic.com]

So even though the system is flawed, Amway convinces distributors that if they are failing, it's their own fault. In the same way, Law of Attraction capitalizes on this idea by putting responsibility on those who are doing the processes. If they aren't working for you, then it's your own fault. Not Abraham Hicks'. If you have cancer and are doing their processes and progressively getting worse, you don't see a problem with the Abraham Hicks system. You just think you're doing something wrong (ie have negative beliefs you aren't recognizing).

This notion is a little convenient for Amway and Abraham Hicks and not so convenient for those who are trying to make these things work for themselves and failing miserably.

This comes from the 04/19/1997 Silver Spring, MD workshop. The question was, “Are we descended from apes?”

ABRAHAM: Is that which is now human an extension of that which was now ape? No. Did the human experience evolve as a result of the experience of the ape? Yes.

QUESTIONER: Is there a link between the two of them?

ABRAHAM: Vibrationally, yes. Physically, no.

The correct answer is that there is a physical link between apes and humans. In fact, the family Hominidae (aka “great apes”) includes humans, chimps, and gorillas. DNA clearly reveals that we (chimps, gorillas, humans) are all close cousins and share a common ancestor.

Has Anyone ever gotten extremely low blood pressure after listening to their stuff? I am not sure if its connected or not but I've noticed that since I have mine has been dropping way too low, --this has been going on 3 months--its even affecting my brain/vision if it is in fact somehow from listening to it, how can it be reversed??

Has Anyone ever gotten extremely low blood pressure after listening to their stuff? I am not sure if its connected or not but I've noticed that since I have mine has been dropping way too low, --this has been going on 3 months--its even affecting my brain/vision if it is in fact somehow from listening to it, how can it be reversed??

Quoting: butterflygirl

It sounds like you are being hypnotized. She likes to use a little NLP from time to time. Your best bet is to quit listening and go and see a psychiatrist. If the Law of Attraction hasn't worked for you yet, you might try a Shaman. They are a little cheaper.

Has Anyone ever gotten extremely low blood pressure after listening to their stuff? I am not sure if its connected or not but I've noticed that since I have mine has been dropping way too low, --this has been going on 3 months--its even affecting my brain/vision if it is in fact somehow from listening to it, how can it be reversed??

It sounds like you are being hypnotized. She likes to use a little NLP from time to time. Your best bet is to quit listening and go and see a psychiatrist. If the Law of Attraction hasn't worked for you yet, you might try a Shaman. They are a little cheaper.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154409

I did stop listening to it,and the low bp is still happening thats why I'm not sure if its even related. Is there a way to undo the nlp myself?I don't feel comfortable asking a psychiatrist.

well, I didn't know how else to word it.would a hypnotherapist help? if the low bp is in fact caused by listening to it, couldnt they somehow reverse it? I dont know whats wrong but I know its not normal for me to get bp readings of 80/40 I cannot get a doctor to do anything about it,. so I really dont know what else to do.

well, I didn't know how else to word it.would a hypnotherapist help? if the low bp is in fact caused by listening to it, couldnt they somehow reverse it? I dont know whats wrong but I know its not normal for me to get bp readings of 80/40 I cannot get a doctor to do anything about it,. so I really dont know what else to do.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1214770

I think you are on the wrong site. Try Webmd.com. These Abraham-Hicks folks will just tell you that you attracted this to your self through the Law of Attraction, so its your fault.

Yeah I suspected they are probably like the average GLP woo woo except with a larger audience.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 440235

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I just read a wonderful post on another thread about the supposedly lovable Esther Hicks. I always hear such wonderful things about how nice she is, so I love when someone sees her in her true state of being. The woman who posted the comment attended a workshop and tried to approach Esther before the seminar. She wrote, "Esther was sitting down (busy counting all her registration forms) and was annoyed that I would walk up and interrupt with a kind and genuine “hi”. She snapped at me saying “can’t you see that I am busy?”"

The woman turned to interact with Jerry, informing him that "my husband and I were moving near their Texas neighborhood. Evidently, Jerry was far more friendly and "lit up knowing we mite become neighbors."

So Esther motioned for the security guard to come over and get the woman to scram. She said that it looked as if "Jerry was embarrassed by this."

It reminds me of Marianne Williamson, the Course in Miracles guru who rants about love and peace and is notorious in the New Age community for being the self-professed "b**ch for God." Always nice to see the self-appointed pious quacks put in their place.

Frauds, have you listened to them? Regardless of weather or not they channel anything, they are on point with every question asked of them, they lead you to a path in life that empowers you to take responsibility for you own choices and future in a very positive and educated, as well as intriguing!I have never heard one negative word come from these peoples mouths...they advertise as a help get rich type thing, but that is to draw you in and give them a chance, and honestly, if you follow the laws of attraction, money does become more available although less valuable (as in terms of the greedy side, or the money before family type situation), she said something, and i cant quote, but it said something to the effect of money not being the root of all evil, but the misuse and hoarding and other various foul things people tend to do with it when they aquire a lot of it, it is the LOVE of money over human life and compassion that make it a bad thing, not the money itself, in this day and age you absolutely need a good deal of it to be comfortable, and in their teachings there is a lot of info on this and how by making better and wiser choices for yourself as a human and becoming more compassionate towards the rest of us flesh sacks (haha).....anyways, fraud by spirit channeling I don't have any idea, but they have a lot to offer in terms of getting your shhit together and being a better person and achieving your goals and dreams for life and having them become reality rather than dreams.......just sayin?

I just read a wonderful post on another thread about the supposedly lovable Esther Hicks. I always hear such wonderful things about how nice she is, so I love when someone sees her in her true state of being. The woman who posted the comment attended a workshop and tried to approach Esther before the seminar. She wrote, "Esther was sitting down (busy counting all her registration forms) and was annoyed that I would walk up and interrupt with a kind and genuine “hi”. She snapped at me saying “can’t you see that I am busy?”"

The woman turned to interact with Jerry, informing him that "my husband and I were moving near their Texas neighborhood. Evidently, Jerry was far more friendly and "lit up knowing we mite become neighbors."

So Esther motioned for the security guard to come over and get the woman to scram. She said that it looked as if "Jerry was embarrassed by this."

It reminds me of Marianne Williamson, the Course in Miracles guru who rants about love and peace and is notorious in the New Age community for being the self-professed "b**ch for God." Always nice to see the self-appointed pious quacks put in their place.

Quoting: kyra

Don't you think everyone has a bad day once in awhile and gets frustrated?.....c'mon, these people spend their lives trying to help people reach a better place, and I know that your experience must have been annoying and upsetting, but don't let that throw you, there is a lot to be learned and a lot to gain by living out the laws of attraction......I'm sorry that happened!