When the cube showed up I remember whispering rather loudly to my my friend "that's a cosmic cube!" and people who were sitting around me turned around and looked at me eerily. I suddenly felt awful :P

Actually, that isn't the eye of agamotto, but rather the warlock's eye. Otherwise its all good. Really fun to find them all, but I feel odd knowing this. What with his mistake and all (no offense). There is the orb of agamotto though.

When I saw Thor in the theater I didn't recognize the Cube... It was only on screen for a brief time, and I kind of figured it was a piece of Bifrost that fell to Earth/Midgard somehow. I mean, Loki made it there. It was only after looking up the reference online that I realized it was a Cosmic Cube and when 'oh shiiit...'

Also: Hugo Weaving as the Red Skull? Oh hells yes. So looking forward to that. Of course, it may be a bit weird now, since the last movie I saw him in was rewatching Priscilla, Queen of the Desert...

Bob, Hawkeye isn't just "really skilled with a bow and arrow", he's also a mutant with incredible eyesight similar to that of a Hawk if I recall (hence the name) letting him see things miles away. On top of this he's a gadgeteer who creates arrows for that bow of his that pretty much do anything the plot demands. He needs an arrow that's non lethal, short circuits robots, freezes someone in a block of ice, lets out a massive sonic burst to hurt the ears or whatever, this guy pretty much has it. He's pretty much the quintessential "power pool" character from certain Super Hero RPGs, because like Batman's Utility belt, despite pretensions of realism, this guy by definition always has exactly the right gizmo the plot requires.

Arguably Hawkeye is probably on a similar level to Iron Man, maybe even worse. Heck I seem to remember that he's even taken Iron Man down in the past when various plot lines have required it by using arrows that basically fry his armor with focused EMP (which is a trick The Mandarin uses all the time... certain guys can put out enough force to bypass his shielding).

Also remember that this is a guy who due to you know having super vision, and gizmoteering, is basically able to castrate a gnat from like two miles away.

Hawkeye *IS* pretty much a Marvel Comics "also ran" who rounds out teams, but he's been in the comics alomost constnatly because he's pretty popular, where tons of other characters have pretty much faded into total obscurity by being unable to even hold down enough interest for a team spot. He's also had some AWESOME moments over the years as I pointed out, which is part of it.

Hawkeye definatly fits in with The Avengers usually, and despite all impressions, and I think one of his strengths is that he's overlooked. He's not a wimp by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh and the guy also has some pretty impressive skills as well, sure, the guy did take down Deathbird (evil empress of the Shi'ar) one on one back when The Avengers were out of comission and he was doing solo work. He pretty much walked through super-security to apply for a security job right before that because you know... he's a Gizmoteer, and doing things involving super tech is definatly part of his skill set.

I'm ranting about a minor point here, but I think he's being dismissed easily. What's more he's one of those characters who while not a founder has been on The Avengers active roster pretty much forever. If your going to bring Captain America in due to the amount of time he's spent on the team as a central character, then it's only fair you bring Hawkeye in as a supporting role because he's one of the defining supporting roles of the whole crew.

Therumancer:Bob, Hawkeye isn't just "really skilled with a bow and arrow", he's also a mutant with incredible eyesight similar to that of a Hawk if I recall (hence the name) letting him see things miles away.

Nope. He's never been a mutant. Ultimate Hawkeye had had his vision enhanced, but he was never a mutant.

MovieBob:...as realistically, it doesn't make much sense that "I'm reasonably skilled with a weapon that's been obsolete since the 1400s" stacks up all that much next to...

ehehehethis made me laugh, as it's true that when examine the powers of a lot of Marvel heroes, they are pretty silly in realistic context. Like, somehow I doubt they are going to make an Avengers movie about Ant Man.

I think I'm a bit too much of a Martin Billany fan (For those of you don't listen to Wha-Chow, that's Little Kuriboh's name.), because I was reading that little Cosmic Cub Q&A in his Naruto and Jack Atlas voices (Naruto for the questions, Jack for the "Cosmic Cube!"s.)

MovieBob:...as realistically, it doesn't make much sense that "I'm reasonably skilled with a weapon that's been obsolete since the 1400s" stacks up all that much next to...

ehehehethis made me laugh, as it's true that when examine the powers of a lot of Marvel heroes, they are pretty silly in realistic context. Like, somehow I doubt they are going to make an Avengers movie about Ant Man.

Actually that is exactly what Kevin Feige wants to do next. He has Edgar Wright(Dawn of the Dead) writing the script. In fact they are on the 3rd or 4th version of the script. I would not be surprised to see Ant-Man in 2013.

MovieBob:...as realistically, it doesn't make much sense that "I'm reasonably skilled with a weapon that's been obsolete since the 1400s" stacks up all that much next to...

ehehehethis made me laugh, as it's true that when examine the powers of a lot of Marvel heroes, they are pretty silly in realistic context. Like, somehow I doubt they are going to make an Avengers movie about Ant Man.

If they went for the Ultimate Giant/Ant man approach I'd love that -- that plotline was one of the most humanising things in the entire Ultimates series imo.

ultimate hawkeye killed 2 dudes by ripping off, then throwing his own finger nails at them. Judging by what i've seen of the cinama universe so far i.m sure its gonna be very much like the ultimate one. A kind of classic and ulti fusion. Taking the best of both. Too bad other studios have the rights to spidey and x-peeps :(

One of the IMDB pages says that it is a piece of the BiFrost bridge at the end. Nope, recognised the cube. Which makes me hope that Thanos will be in Avengers, as he has a great story line... although it is more likely to be Loki or Skrulls or anything else...

I'm not sure it will be that much of a stretch for people to accept Hawkeye as a valuable member of the Avengers. As others have mentioned the guy's not just "reasonably good" with a bow and arrow. He's a master athlete and weapons maker who can whip out a trick arrow for any situation the writers decide to put him in. Also if were asked to accept the Black Widow as a member, who other than looking ridiculously hot has no super powers, then Hawkeye fits right in.

MovieBob:...as realistically, it doesn't make much sense that "I'm reasonably skilled with a weapon that's been obsolete since the 1400s" stacks up all that much next to...

ehehehethis made me laugh, as it's true that when examine the powers of a lot of Marvel heroes, they are pretty silly in realistic context. Like, somehow I doubt they are going to make an Avengers movie about Ant Man.

Edagar Wright (Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz) and Joe Cornish (Attack the Block) have been confirmed to be making an Ant Man movie. I'll definitely watch it.

Bob, you made a mistake with Hawkeye/Bullseye. He's not just really good with a bow and arrow. He's insanely accurate with anything. One of those guys where if it looks like it missed, you wait a second and you know it bounces back and hits his target.

I like him best when he's teamed up with Deadpool (with their 'friendship' they have going)

Anyone else strongly believe Deadpool has to be involved in the avengers? Or atleast there will be a nod to him.1) Hawkeye/Bullseye is an old friend of Deadpool's2) Infinity Gauntlet - used by Thanos to destroy cultures to impress Death. Except Death doesn't love Thanos, Death loves Deadpool so Thanos is doing and will do everything in his power to keep Deadpool alive

I'm sure there's other little hints that Deadpool will get involved but those are the two ones that makes me hope.

Therumancer:Bob, Hawkeye isn't just "really skilled with a bow and arrow", he's also a mutant with incredible eyesight similar to that of a Hawk if I recall (hence the name) letting him see things miles away.

Nope. He's never been a mutant. Ultimate Hawkeye had had his vision enhanced, but he was never a mutant.

Not sure if I agree with you. Not argueing for arguement's sake, but there seem to be sources that agree with both of us, so it's kind of pointless. :)

I remember this discussion coming up a few times when I was doing super hero RPGs, and I'd point out that one thing that has resolved arguements is his write up from the old Marvel Super Heroes RPG, which was at the time liscensed to TSR, but they wound up losing it apparently due to contract disputes with TSR claiming they had a right to contant character/materials updates and so on from upcoming storylines to keep the RPG current with the comics. This revolving around their game-stats encyclopedias which also included character backrounds and so on, and which were apparently the big thing selling the game at the time so they of course wanted to be able to get current updates out as fast as possible so they could sell the new stats to the RPGers without having the info be a year or two behind, etc...

Under that system the terms "Excellent, Remarkable, etc..." actually coorespong to attribute, it just doen't use the same kind of numerical system of other RPGs. He is listed as having powers (seperate from his equipment based powers) and having "Remarkable Vision" which is a power ranking lets him see up to a mile away, and up to ten miles away with a successful feat roll of green, and I think 100 miles with a red (critical) feat roll. I don't have the rules anymore (might be boxed up somewhere) but Remarkable is not an insignifigant power, albiet not one that that's anywhere near the cosmic levels (it goes feeble, poor, typical, good, excellent, remarkable, incredible, amazing, monsterous, unearthly, shift X, shift y, shift Z, class 1000, class 3000, class 5000, beyond. Most of those ranks actually only coming into play when dealing cosmic entities and trying to resolve questions like "okayz, who is MORE omnipotent". Beyond of course being a referance to "The Beyonder" who was pretty much the uber-mench at that time, even if he was later better defined, and cut down in power substanatially.

This being published substantially before "The Ultimate Universe" however. This was around the time frame when we had Cameron Hodge's immortal Mephisto-Ressurected head running Genosha and stuff like that if I remember.