Geez so many options =S. I seek more of a bruiser or assasin jungler because I lack most tanks but otherwise own most of those you ppl recommended except for Rengar and Jax. So from bruisers which jungler would be good, I sadly miss skarner although he is one I am going to buy soon™.

Screw all other junglers and buy Skarner. So much fun. My favorite jungler. 2 GP 10 and wit's end, plus a sheen if I'm ahead, and your nigh unkillable. You also kill anything and everything that gets in range unless they have like 3 escapes.

If you must have more of a fighter though, Darius, Jax, and Lee Sin are all awesome. Olaf is good but he negatively snowballs HARD, so you have to have a good game on him and not lose first blue. Shyvana is another fantastic choice and probably who I would recommend the most. Very tanky with her ult and just deals punishing amounts of damage. Fastest safe clear as well (Mundo is faster but not as safe).

Because you don't have multiple rune setups, nor are you likely to have enough champions to counter-pick or avoid being counter-picked, or to avoid the champions you're "good" with being banned. I may be wrong, admittedly - I avoid ranked games myself simply because I don't feel comfortable going in without having at least two "good" champs in every role. And right now I really only manage ADC and support with that. What happens if I'm forced, because of picking last, to be the jungle? The role I'm currently least comfortable/experienced at?

Sure, I could just deal with it - man up, lose some games, get outplayed. But I'd rather not be put into that kind of situation. Don't want to contribute to the group of unskilled players in ranked games that people like to bitch about.

for example last game, as corki with a taeric support always staying behind me and if stunning, he stunned soraka (attacked soraka but ignored varus), on top of that a ww jungle feeding by "counterjungling" 10 times he visit enemy jungle, died 10 times to it (13 deaths to him @ overall, and zero ganks bot). so pls dont tell me that i am not experienced enough for this low ranked elo where you lose 90% the games cause of a retard (or a retard bot premade).

b2t topic:
sona, pantheon, olaf, mundo or orianna - and cath or mf - which would you recomment to fill my setup (i wrote it on top if you started reading from behind)

If anyone is in the low ELO section in ranked... Do yourself a favor and try to avoid buying tanky junglers over carry ones. Carry junglers will help you out more at lower ELO's. From my experience of being down there, you want junglers like Shaco, Lee Sin, Jax (I still find Jax amazing regardless), etc. Teams can't coordinate as well lower down there from my findings and a tanky jungler really just doesn't cut it. Yes they are for the most part usually better but it's the pubstomp theory. Just pick your gank happy junglers.

I'm wondering how is the item overhaul going to affect support role. In dominion Lulu is currently broken OP, but in SR, it seems she struggles in mid 40's in win percentage.
I like playing her, but wondering if I should get her on second account (want to be on more regions :d)

I don't recommend Lee Sin to new people, he isn't a recommended champion for sure

The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
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for example last game, as corki with a taeric support always staying behind me and if stunning, he stunned soraka (attacked soraka but ignored varus), on top of that a ww jungle feeding by "counterjungling" 10 times he visit enemy jungle, died 10 times to it (13 deaths to him @ overall, and zero ganks bot). so pls dont tell me that i am not experienced enough for this low ranked elo where you lose 90% the games cause of a retard (or a retard bot premade).

And next game you win because that idiot is on the other team. Except then you don't notice and think you carried so hard. Huzzah for human bias.

This anecdotal evidence is exactly -why- you are in low Elo. You place the blame elsewhere, instead of looking what you can improve upon. Does that mean you could've carried the game? Maybe not. You won't win them all. As long as you win more than you lose, you go up. Even so, if Warwick kept giving up kills, you could've hunted down the jungler, maybe helped out with a ward or two. If you really were as awesome as you said, you'd be up 5-6 kills and finish your TF by the 15minute mark.

If anyone is in the low ELO section in ranked... Do yourself a favor and try to avoid buying tanky junglers over carry ones. Carry junglers will help you out more at lower ELO's. From my experience of being down there, you want junglers like Shaco, Lee Sin, Jax (I still find Jax amazing regardless), etc. Teams can't coordinate as well lower down there from my findings and a tanky jungler really just doesn't cut it. Yes they are for the most part usually better but it's the pubstomp theory. Just pick your gank happy junglers.

Mundo is one of hardest champions to die, however he has no hard cc (just slow) and can be ignored very easily in team fights and kill his teammates and save him last, however he is very tough that he can clear up at end

The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrallhttp://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power

Mundo is pretty awesome. His early jungle is really really fast, but he takes a lot of damage. After he gets out of the early game he just breezes through the jungle. His ganks are strong if you land a cleaver. Otherwise they don't really do that much. If you have red buff and a cleaver, they are going to have to flash probably.

He becomes very tanky mid to late game since you don't have to build damage on him. And his ult regens a lot of health. Ignite is really frustrating on him, but you just have to deal with it. You can build a QSS (that does remove ignite right?) but imo it's not usually worth it. It's better for them to focus you with cd's and summoners than for them to hit your carries.

And next game you win because that idiot is on the other team. Except then you don't notice and think you carried so hard. Huzzah for human bias.

This anecdotal evidence is exactly -why- you are in low Elo. You place the blame elsewhere, instead of looking what you can improve upon. Does that mean you could've carried the game? Maybe not. You won't win them all. As long as you win more than you lose, you go up. Even so, if Warwick kept giving up kills, you could've hunted down the jungler, maybe helped out with a ward or two. If you really were as awesome as you said, you'd be up 5-6 kills and finish your TF by the 15minute mark.

This is exactly what people fail to understand. There is no way that you are losing 90% of games JUST because of your team being stupid. The "stupid people" must be evenly spread. With a small sample size, you may find that your team is worse but the only way to beat that is to play A LOT. This is why I tell people that, if you care about ELO, don't do ranked until you know that you will win your lane all the time.

The only champs I would add to that list would be Sona (support), Nunu (jungle/support), Irelia (top), and Anivia (mid).

I'm assuming we're talking about SoloQ here...

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"Elo Hell is where the Ego is greater than the Elo." -Bystekhilcar

Sometimes I wonder why people on MMOC are this ridiculously ridiculous.

Yeah, I'm not sure you can use a specific number of wins as a prerequisite before hopping into ranked.

I think there is a sound general philosophy in playing normals at 30 until you feel confident in your ability to carry most games from a number of lane positions. For some, this may be 200 wins...its entirely dependent on the individual.

"There are two types of guys in this world. Guys who sniff their fingers after scratching their balls, and dirty fucking liars." -StylesClashv3
"Elo Hell is where the Ego is greater than the Elo." -Bystekhilcar