Hi Shyviking,
No one is denying that Jews were rounded up during WWII. What many do question is if they were intentionally killed on a massive scale. And of course, many of the 'official' books about the Holocaust are wrong. Why is it illegal or taboo (depending on the country you're in) to challenge those facts? What are they afraid of? People who question the holocaust in supposedly "free" countries are arrested when they arrive in countries where it is illegal. In the U.S. again, it is a strictly taboo subject, which may get you fired and ostracized if you bring it up. These factors make it hard to counterract all the constant media wailing about how horrible the jewish holocaust supposedly was. Check out: http://zamphir.litek.ws/ if they haven't shut it down yet.

Why do you think the U.S. sees Israel as an ally? It only makes the arabs wish to bomb us. We pour so much money into their country and get nothing return.

Israel benefits when its enemies are disorganized and fighting amongst themselves. They are dying for us to invade Iran, as well. The neocons (primarily Jews) pushed for the invasion of Iraq and are doing so again for Iran.

First the alliances.

As I see it, there are two kind of alliances:
1. The "utilitarian" one, where the countries and/or groups in question have a common advantage of allying. Political, ideological and religious leanings don't have to be "in sync".
-Examples: USA/S. Vietnam, USA/Mujahedin (1980s), USSR/Egypt (under Nasser, USA/Pakistan, imperial Germany/Turkey etc.

Utilitatian alliances are inherently unstable, and have a short to medium lifespan, because the purpose they initially served might be obsolote, fulfilled or something third.

2. The "cultural alliance" (where US/Israel is).
This type of alliance is underpinned by some kind of cultural understanding or "common experience" which goes beyond the utilitarian purposes of the first type.

USA and Israel are both (mostly) democracies. Both have the "immigrants coming to an empty land" experience; "manifest destiny" or "aliyah".

This is hardly as unique an alliance as most WNs (and many moslems..) alliance want it to be, however. USA has supported Western Europe (NATO, the Marshall program, troops and bases abroad) for far longer than USA has supported Israel.
Furthermore, USA has never (to my knowledge) put soldiers directly "in the line of fire" for Israel - as would have been the consequence of a full-scale war in Europe.

Of course most alliances are mixtures of type I and II. USA and Western Europe both viewed communism as a threat, and USA and Israel both view fundamentalist moslems as a threat.

I have read the anthrax article. Doesn't look like they conclude anything at all, just that Hatfill is innocent.

Quote:

The evidence is mounting that Dr. Hatfill is an innocent man and had nothing to do with the anthrax attacks. Reporters and investigators will realize this when those responsible for the anthrax mailings are identified.

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Israel might or might not want an invasion of Iran, but Iran still benefitted from the removal of Saddam, way more than Israel did, based on track record, future possibilities of power projection and closeness.

As for the holocaust, Butz had the time to write a 300+ pages book, Leuchter could go to Poland AND write his report undisturbed, Mattogno wrote his Krema articles, people made homepages with 20-30 downloadable flicks (the one you posted), etc etc etc. The revisionists have had ample room for proving their case - and they haven't presented a more convincing case than the "orthodox" historians.
Instead they choose to bring forth the same old gambits: The "Auschwitz plaque", the "World Almanac", the "no führer order", and so on - which have already been discussed, debated, and dismissed many times. By constantly replaying the same old lines, the revisionists insult peoples' intelligence - which is realy not a smart thing to do, if you want to convince somebody about something.

Lastly, why do many governments have something against revisionists, when they accept the "no lunar landing"- and the "USA did 911 themselves"-conspiracy theorists, as well as the creationist movement?!
While slightly oddball and basically just in denial of hard facts, these three movements (and others like them) are mostly harmless and unoffensive.
Holocaust-denial is a different ballpark altogether.
There is a somewhat menacing tone to much of the revisionists' writings, in the line of "the jews invented it themselves to gain political leverage" or the like. Furthermore, the countries which have holocaust laws (rightly or wrongly) believes that holocaust revisionism is out to restore the reputation of NS-Germany, with a reasoning like "if they didn't really kill the jews, how bad were they really". Those goverments will not let that happen, therefore the holocaust laws.

I dont agree all of these . u were looking for an opposition . thats me I guess. IM an asian , Im racist and I believe in Turanism . why whites are supreme ? look at todays world . IM looking this site for a few days and I didnt see any intellectual argument. All said here is seems like fun of a CNN youth . an Evangelist ( Jew supporter cult ) president and his Black mate start a war against Islam for making jews feel better and people who call themselves nazi loves that . is that the wisdom of Whites ?

White Pride
1. Why can people be proud of anything, except being White?
No one ever said that life was fair. If you allow other races to determine what you can be proud of, you are a weak person. When anybody of any race stands up for themselves, others may disagree and try to stop them, that's life.

2. Why are all other races allowed to work for their own interests, but Whites can’t? Do you think it will be any different when we’re a minority in our own country?
Again, the very question implies that whites are powerless. From where I sit, whites are very powerful and don't need to be "allowed" to do anything by anyone.

3. Why can other races criticize Whites, but when Whites do the same, its called ‘hate’?
Only an idiot doesn't know the difference between criticism and hate. Criticism can be accomplished intellectually and politely. Hate is hate.

Non-white Danger
4. Do you think it’s a good idea to avoid dangerous neighborhoods and countries? Are you aware that places with a majority of non-whites have far more violent crimes and dangerous infectious diseases than do mostly White places?
Some people of all races like danger and seek it out. They are called adventurers. In earlier times they were called "discoverers" and "colonialists."

5. Why is it that non-white neighborhoods and countries are always so dangerous and corrupt? Don’t you think it has something to do with their race?
I think it has something to do with poverty and social disruption. There are currently 24 nations with a higher murder rate than the US and some of those nations, like Russia and former Soviet states are overwhelmingly white nations. I think social disruption and poverty account for crime more than race.

Immigration
6. If illegal aliens are supposed to be such ‘great, hardworking’ people, why have they snuck over our border to take advantage of our welfare, rather than 'working hard' at becoming legal citizens who pay taxes?
Its easy enough for politicians to institute measures that cut off access to welfare for illegal aliens. If they choose not to do that, its on the governors of each state who are overwhelmingly white males.

7. How do illegal aliens help our economy if they’re costing us billions in tax dollars?
There are legitimate research studies on both sides of the issue that say that illegals cost more than they contribute while other studies say that they contribute more than they cost. It was a white guy named Ronald Wilson Reagan who signed into law the only amnesty for illegal aliens that has been in force in the US thus far.

8. Have you read our own State Dept.’s warnings about how dangerous Mexico is? Do you think these people just give up their criminal tendencies once they cross the U.S. border?
There are more than 100,000 American ex-patriots living in Mexico. Another 50,000 or so Canadian ex-patriots and millions of Americans vacation in Mexico every year.

The Media
9. Have you noticed that when White people commit crimes against non-whites, it’s all over the news, but when non-whites commit crimes against Whites, you rarely hear about it?
No, I haven't noticed that. I've noticed that 'if it bleeds, it leads" and the inner city black communities are where most of the bleeding and leading take place.

10. Why are Black actors often picked to portray doctors and wise people on T.V. and movies, when it’s been proven, time and again that they have lower I.Q.s than White people? Why are the dumb characters in the same media usually played by White actors?
How many movies portraying black drug dealers, prostitutes, murderers, kidnappers, criminals of all kinds would you like me to name?

11. Why is it that racial mixing is being pushed so much nowadays in movies and T.V.? For generations that sort of thing was frowned upon by all races.
This is the 21st century and you're talking about early to mid 20th century racial attitudes. The last anti-miscegenation law was struck down by the US Supreme Court with 8 whites and 1 black on it in 1960.

The Holocaust
12. Did you know that you could legally claim that smoking crack is safe in many Western countries, but questioning any part of the Holocaust will land you in jail?
Those white Christian people in Europe sure make weird laws, don't they?

13. What are these governments so afraid of if people find out that the Holocaust story has many flaws in it?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that more than 100 million white Christian Europeans were killed between 1914 and 1944.

14. Tens of millions of non-Jews died in World War II. Why is the Jewish holocaust considered so much more sacred?
It isn't. World War II is memorialized worldwide.

Israel
15. Why is it that Israelis can bomb the hell out of its neighbors and arrest democratically elected Palestinian leaders, but the U.S. keeps supporting them?
Because the US government believes that it needs an ally in the Middle East region. Israel is that most dependable ally. The YOU aware that the US currently has military alliance agreements with 36 different Muslim nations and that we are spending 10 times the amount of foreign aid that we give Israel to nation build in Iraq and Afghanistan?
The US is an overwhelmingly Christian nation and the most important figure in the Christian faith was a Jew named Jesus of Nazareth.

16. Are you aware of Israel’s links to the Anthrax mailings in the U.S. that occurred soon after 9/11? No I'm not.

17. What country has the war in Iraq benefited? I’ll give you two hints- it’s not the U.S. and it's not Iran.
Dumb question. If the war was not benefitting the US, the more than 400 white Christian members of the US congress would stop funding it and the white Christian President and Secretary of State would pull our troops out. Neither George W. Bush nor Donald Rumsfeld are Jewish. If we have troops in Iraq, they are the reason.

The Future
18. What kind of a country will this be for our children in ten years? Do you honestly think it will be safe for them?
Yes.

19. Do you think your children will be treated well in the massively non-white schools and neighborhoods of the near future? Would you like to send them to a primarily Black or Mestizo school or neighborhood to live today?
Yes, I already do. My daughter attended a mixed race high school, graduated with honors and is attending a mixed race college called Stanford University.

20. Has it occurred to you that things will keep getting worse until White people start standing up for themselves and working for their own interests?
I believe that things will keep getting better if all races work together for common goals and common interests. That's why I'm "Anti-maim."

As for the holocaust, Butz had the time to write a 300+ pages book, Leuchter could go to Poland AND write his report undisturbed, Mattogno wrote his Krema articles, people made homepages with 20-30 downloadable flicks (the one you posted), etc etc etc. The revisionists have had ample room for proving their case - and they haven't presented a more convincing case than the "orthodox" historians.
Instead they choose to bring forth the same old gambits: The "Auschwitz plaque", the "World Almanac", the "no führer order", and so on - which have already been discussed, debated, and dismissed many times. By constantly replaying the same old lines, the revisionists insult peoples' intelligence - which is realy not a smart thing to do, if you want to convince somebody about something.

Lastly, why do many governments have something against revisionists, when they accept the "no lunar landing"- and the "USA did 911 themselves"-conspiracy theorists, as well as the creationist movement?!
While slightly oddball and basically just in denial of hard facts, these three movements (and others like them) are mostly harmless and unoffensive.
Holocaust-denial is a different ballpark altogether.
There is a somewhat menacing tone to much of the revisionists' writings, in the line of "the jews invented it themselves to gain political leverage" or the like. Furthermore, the countries which have holocaust laws (rightly or wrongly) believes that holocaust revisionism is out to restore the reputation of NS-Germany, with a reasoning like "if they didn't really kill the jews, how bad were they really". Those goverments will not let that happen, therefore the holocaust laws.

I found the "One Third of the Holocaust" videos and similar websites that question the Death Camp aspect of the Holocaust very convincing. They debunk via the lack of evidence and many lapses in logic in 'war-crime' testimony and 'official' Holocaust books, while the supporters of the Death Camps idea only respond by attacking the person investigating the holocaust. They never actually disprove what the 'denier' says. Here's a link for that movie that hasn't been attacked by hackers yet: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94130608359223

Keeping the myth of 'Nazi Death Camps' alive marginalizes any White Nationalist movement, NS or not. Someone who stands up for White rights is simply branded a 'Nazi' and people think he's some sicko rather than an advocate for his race. The end result is Meximerica and Eurabia: Whites who are not allowed to work for their own interests, because that has been totally associated with evil.

(snip)... while the supporters of the Death Camps idea only respond by attacking the person investigating the holocaust. They never actually disprove what the 'denier' says.

That's not entirely correct, danerebor.

Nizkor.org, http://www.holocaust-history.org/ , http://holocaust-info.dk/ as well as countless books about the jewish holocaust debunk the revisionists' points of view in full. You can go there and see for yourself.
Of course some attack revisionsists rather than revisionsism, but that goes the other way around as well. Wiesel, Wiesenthal, eyewitnesses in general and "orthodox" historians don't excactly get a kind treatment among revisionsts. "Let him who is clean throw the first stone...." is a fitting saying here.

White Pride
1. Why can people be proud of anything, except being White?

White supremacy is not white pride. I have nothing against people displaying pride for being white, and i'm actualy disappointed there are no european clubs in schools.

2. Why are all other races allowed to work for their own interests, but Whites can’t? Do you think it will be any different when we’re a minority in our own country?

What difference will it make when whites are a minority? We're one of the most powerful countries in the world, and that has happened dispite the growing non white population.

3. Why can other races criticize Whites, but when Whites do the same, its called ‘hate’?

I dont like criticising peoples races. Criticise people for their character rather than what other people have done. I am not affiliated with some radical group like the nation of islam, but being black, I am somehow connected to their extreme viewpoints? No. Same goes for you fine folks.

Non-white Danger
4. Do you think it’s a good idea to avoid dangerous neighborhoods and countries? Are you aware that places with a majority of non-whites have far more violent crimes and dangerous infectious diseases than do mostly White places?

Places with large numbers of non whites do sometimes have higher crime rates. This is not always true. There is a reason police pay more attention to these neighborhoods than they do to some rural town miles away from big cities.

5. Why is it that non-white neighborhoods and countries are always so dangerous and corrupt? Don’t you think it has something to do with their race?

Of course it has nothing to do with their race. It has to do with their government's inabilities to lead their people. Take for example, the former U.S.S.R. Under communist rule, they damn near colapsed. In North Korea, their government has many enemies which isolate them. Saying race is involved in countries are dangerous is silly and ignorant. Some south american countries which export oil are extremely influential and wealthy. In one country in perticular, the gasoline is cheaper than water, and there are no taxes. They are non white, yet they are not dangerous and corrupt.

Immigration
6. If illegal aliens are supposed to be such ‘great, hardworking’ people, why have they snuck over our border to take advantage of our welfare, rather than 'working hard' at becoming legal citizens who pay taxes?

Illegal immigration must stop immediately. This is mexico's fault, not ours. If they could handle their countrys economy people wouldnt be so tempted to cross the border.

7. How do illegal aliens help our economy if they’re costing us billions in tax dollars?

They dont. But there are some illegal immigrants who do pay taxes, and they do help our economy. But that does not change the fact that they are illlegaly living here. They would do better to pay those taxes to the mexican government.

8. Have you read our own State Dept.’s warnings about how dangerous Mexico is? Do you think these people just give up their criminal tendencies once they cross the U.S. border?

Mexico is not a dangerous country. We have been allies with them for countless years. Low income mexican immigrants may turn to crime because their life is already messed up. I think that answers your question

The Media
9. Have you noticed that when White people commit crimes against non-whites, it’s all over the news, but when non-whites commit crimes against Whites, you rarely hear about it?

Here in chicago, you hear I would say equal ammounts of both. The non white violence is the "nothing special" type of violence, whereas the white crimes are the "shockers" because they arent "normal types of crimes. Like the girl who solicited for an assasin on myspace, that's a shocker.

10. Why are Black actors often picked to portray doctors and wise people on T.V. and movies, when it’s been proven, time and again that they have lower I.Q.s than White people? Why are the dumb characters in the same media usually played by White actors?

What are you pulling this from? The only black doctor i've seen in a movie was the one from Undercover Brother. I cant say I aggree with that at all.

11. Why is it that racial mixing is being pushed so much nowadays in movies and T.V.? For generations that sort of thing was frowned upon by all races.

And now it isnt. For generations women couldn't vote either, but now they can. Why are womens rights being pushed so much nowadays in movies and TV?

The Holocaust
12. Did you know that you could legally claim that smoking crack is safe in many Western countries, but questioning any part of the Holocaust will land you in jail?

There are many people who question the holocaust in this forum and none of them are in jail for it. Free speech is one of the founding principles of this country.

13. What are these governments so afraid of if people find out that the Holocaust story has many flaws in it?

Because you can get thousands of scientists and researchers to prove the holocaust's factual existance and then thousands more can prove that it is a hoax. This is a moot point, because a) you will never convince me that it never happened and b) I will never convince you that it did happen.

14. Tens of millions of non-Jews died in World War II. Why is the Jewish holocaust considered so much more sacred?

People who call it the "Jewish holocaust" are fools. Do some research and you will find that many other groups were also killed durring the war. The idea of the holocaust is more of a "mass murder" than a genocide.

Israel
15. Why is it that Israelis can bomb the hell out of its neighbors and arrest democratically elected Palestinian leaders, but the U.S. keeps supporting them?

It upsets me as well. They need to take what they can get and leave it alone. They only make enemies when they invade other countries to save a cupple hostages.

16. Are you aware of Israel’s links to the Anthrax mailings in the U.S. that occurred soon after 9/11?

No I am not.

17. What country has the war in Iraq benefited? I’ll give you two hints- it’s not the U.S. and it's not Iran.

Iraq.

The Future
18. What kind of a country will this be for our children in ten years? Do you honestly think it will be safe for them?

Yes I do believe it will be safe for my children and your children.

19. Do you think your children will be treated well in the massively non-white schools and neighborhoods of the near future? Would you like to send them to a primarily Black or Mestizo school or neighborhood to live today?

My children are already treated well in massively non white schools. I was treated well in non white schools also. I encourage my children to tell me immediately if someone does something mean or hurtfull to them. I love my children and If someone tried something, they would be hearing from ME.

20. Has it occurred to you that things will keep getting worse until White people start standing up for themselves and working for their own interests?

Things have been getting worse? White people such as yourselves need to be more optimistic on this country. Widen your perspectives and see that we are in a period of economic growth and prosperity. I feel safer now than I have felt in the past 20 years.

Well think you already answered the question, because they are minorities. Who knows what will happen when Whites become a minority but I assume they'll be able to benefit from the rights minorities have now.

It's good to hear all these responses, though it seems that some have been deleted from the thread.

As for the idea that non-white aggression is caused by economics, I seriously disagree. White taxpayers have poured billions of dollars into supporting non-whites both in western nations and abroad and nothing has changed. Our own FBI statistics show that Blacks are 7 times as likely to commit violent crimes (being only 1/7 of the population) and that Mestizos are 3 times as likely. When our White ancestors first discovered non-white tribes they were extremely violent and backward. They still are today, especially when White support is removed... the L.A. Riots, the attacks on Whites in Zimbabwe, post-Katrina New Orleans... Was it poverty that led them to pillage, rape, and murder? Do the poor Whites of WV riot?

As for the Holocaust, few alive today know what really happened. But why can't the issue be discussed? Why are investigators arrested in Germany, Canada, and other countries when they question what happened? Where are all the bodies of these supposed 6 million dead? Many of the bodies of the Ukrainians that Stalin starved to death have been dug up and discovered.

To say that these things don't matter or that they exist to prevent a fascistic resurgence, misses the point. This is Orwellian oppression and will only get worse until its opened up for free inquiry. It is a blatant attempt to disempower Whites, because we are the only people who can effectively stand up to globalism.