" Asked if they preferred Hillary Rodham Clinton to McCain, respondents gave the Democratic New York senator and former first lady a 51 percent to 44 percent advantage over the Republican Senator from Arizona. "

I find that poll hard to believe. Then again, it probably was mostly taken in New York.

There's no reason at all to believe that.

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“They cheated us again and again, made decisions behind our back, presenting us with completed facts. That’s the way it was with the expansion of NATO in the East, with the deployment of military infrastructure at our borders. They always told us the same thing: 'Well, this doesn't concern you.'" -Vladimir Putin

Sure, but it'll make the rightists sweat a little. That's enough for me.

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“They cheated us again and again, made decisions behind our back, presenting us with completed facts. That’s the way it was with the expansion of NATO in the East, with the deployment of military infrastructure at our borders. They always told us the same thing: 'Well, this doesn't concern you.'" -Vladimir Putin

Republicans can only hope Democrats are led to believe Hillary can win. Well, she can, but not against Guiliani or probably any strong GOP candidate (she would beat a Frist, Brownback type).

FWIW, Marist has done 5 polls of these 2 matchups in the last year or so, including one fairly recently (late Sept.). Hillary trails in all 10. Opinion Dynamics has conducted the same number with those matchups in the past year, Hillary trails in all 10. Hotline has done 6 in the last year, McCain-Hillary only, Hillary trails in all 6. Cook/RT Strategies has done 3 with the McCain-Hillary matchup, Hillary trails in all 3. NBC/WSJ has done 2 of the same, Hillary trails in both. Zogby and Rasmussen and the Q all have shown the same thing in their polls.

If that makes Hillary the favorite, so be it. And regardless of where she is in the polls against McCain and Guiliani, there is no guarantee either will be the GOP nominee.

Republicans can only hope Democrats are led to believe Hillary can win. Well, she can, but not against Guiliani or probably any strong GOP candidate (she would beat a Frist, Brownback type).

FWIW, Marist has done 5 polls of these 2 matchups in the last year or so, including one fairly recently (late Sept.). Hillary trails in all 10. Opinion Dynamics has conducted the same number with those matchups in the past year, Hillary trails in all 10. Hotline has done 6 in the last year, McCain-Hillary only, Hillary trails in all 6. Cook/RT Strategies has done 3 with the McCain-Hillary matchup, Hillary trails in all 3. NBC/WSJ has done 2 of the same, Hillary trails in both. Zogby and Rasmussen and the Q all have shown the same thing in their polls.

If that makes Hillary the favorite, so be it. And regardless of where she is in the polls against McCain and Guiliani, there is no guarantee either will be the GOP nominee.

McCain looks stronger than he is. As for Giulani, it'd be hilarious if he got the nomination.

Republicans can only hope Democrats are led to believe Hillary can win. Well, she can, but not against Guiliani or probably any strong GOP candidate (she would beat a Frist, Brownback type).

FWIW, Marist has done 5 polls of these 2 matchups in the last year or so, including one fairly recently (late Sept.). Hillary trails in all 10. Opinion Dynamics has conducted the same number with those matchups in the past year, Hillary trails in all 10. Hotline has done 6 in the last year, McCain-Hillary only, Hillary trails in all 6. Cook/RT Strategies has done 3 with the McCain-Hillary matchup, Hillary trails in all 3. NBC/WSJ has done 2 of the same, Hillary trails in both. Zogby and Rasmussen and the Q all have shown the same thing in their polls.

If that makes Hillary the favorite, so be it. And regardless of where she is in the polls against McCain and Guiliani, there is no guarantee either will be the GOP nominee.

McCain looks stronger than he is. As for Giulani, it'd be hilarious if he got the nomination.

Hilarious for you maybe. Not for Hillary though.

I hate McCain but people actively interested in politics tend to assume everyone else will eventually come around to their way of thinking, i.e. Lamont in CT. But usually it doesn't work that way. McCain probably can't win the GOP primary but he would be a formidable general election candidate, certainly way above average.

I hate McCain but people actively interested in politics tend to assume everyone else will eventually come around to their way of thinking, i.e. Lamont in CT. But usually it doesn't work that way. McCain probably can't win the GOP primary but he would be a formidable general election candidate, certainly way above average.

I hate McCain but people actively interested in politics tend to assume everyone else will eventually come around to their way of thinking, i.e. Lamont in CT. But usually it doesn't work that way. McCain probably can't win the GOP primary but he would be a formidable general election candidate, certainly way above average.

Maybe Republicans are more pragmatic. One polling firm intentionally push-polled Guiliani and he still did very well among GOP voters (i.e. they basically said how liberal he was before asking the topline question). It's not really a secret that Guiliani is liberal.

That said, it would be pretty bizarre if Guiliani ran on an identical platform in a GOP primary as he did in a NYC Mayoral race. He definitely has some 'outs' to mitigate his prior record (i.e. federalism).

I love this - one poll in one state which has Hillary being beaten by Guiliani and McCain - the reps are all over it "told you she can't win" "Ice Queen" - then a nation-wide poll has her leading the golden boys of Republican Party and nothing but "I doubt this poll" "I think this is bunk "It's too early"

Very very funny.

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Dogma is a comfortable thing, it saves you from thought - Sir Robert Menzies

I hate McCain but people actively interested in politics tend to assume everyone else will eventually come around to their way of thinking, i.e. Lamont in CT. But usually it doesn't work that way. McCain probably can't win the GOP primary but he would be a formidable general election candidate, certainly way above average.

Maybe Republicans are more pragmatic. One polling firm intentionally push-polled Guiliani and he still did very well among GOP voters (i.e. they basically said how liberal he was before asking the topline question). It's not really a secret that Guiliani is liberal.

That said, it would be pretty bizarre if Giuliani ran on an identical platform in a GOP primary as he did in a NYC Mayoral race. He definitely has some 'outs' to mitigate his prior record (i.e. federalism).

Rudy winning the Republican nomination would either involve massive pandering to the conservatives by Rudy doing a 180 on various positions, or a massive shift if the Republican party away from the wingnut base.

That is polling done by liberal CNN, here is a poll done by politics1 and both Guliani and McCain leads Hillary by plenty: http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#misc 49-42 for Giuliani and 49-43 for McCain, you got to watch liberal pollsters doing polls. The CNN USA gallup polls also were very wrong in 2004.