Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!

Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!

Imagine the shock of growing up in a loving family with people you call "Mum" and "Dad" and then, suddenly, learning that you are actually
adopted!

This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of
stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf
galaxy!

i have never believed man is responsible for global warming, or believed anything that comes from government backed sciences, and when i came across
this i was like wtf, if these guys are right , then all the taxation in the world dont matter, and that possibly the 2012 end times takes on a
different type of change for us, this is my first post and would like all here at ats to offer their veiws on this, i dont know if this has been
discused before

If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy's ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle
as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is
influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius
Dwarf galaxy.

So WE are the aliens. What a concept!

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EXCEPT...

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The offset of the ecliptic with the axis of the Milky Way is no reason to believe that the Solar System is not a child of the Galaxy. The plane of the
Solar System was determined when it formed and it has nothing to do with the plane of the Galaxy. It has to do with what was going on in our locality
at the time. We can see other planetary systems forming now which are not aligned with the Milky Way, they are at all kinds of crazy angles.

On the other hand, the Sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, not the center of Sagittarius Dwarf. The entire Solar System is orbiting in the
plane of the Milky Way. We move "up and down" a bit but if you look at the image of our colliding galaxies you will notice that if we belonged to
Sagittarius Dwarf, we should be zooming through the disc of the Milky Way as we orbit that other center. We aren't.

Originally posted by Phage
The offset of the ecliptic with the axis of the Milky Way is no reason to believe that the Solar System is not a child of the Galaxy. The plane of the
Solar System was determined when it formed and it has nothing to do with the plane of the Galaxy. It has to do with what was going on in our locality
at the time. We can see other planetary systems forming now which are not aligned with the Milky Way, they are at all kinds of crazy angles.

On the other hand, the Sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, not the center of Sagittarius Dwarf. The entire Solar System is orbiting in the
plane of the Milky Way. We move "up and down" a bit but if you look at the image of our colliding galaxies you will notice that if we belonged to
Sagittarius Dwarf, we should be zooming through the disc of the Milky Way as we orbit that other center. We aren't.

We are home.

Exactly, how this thread already has 5 flags, I don't know. Either a lot of people aren't reading the pseudo-scientific article and laughing, or are
just gullible.

"This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in
the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf
companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors." The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion
years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.
"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer,"
said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of
its life as an intact system."

Studies of the Sun’s motion relative to the plane of the Milky Way (using the stars, globular clusters, other galaxies, and many other sources)
make it a rock-solid certainty that the Sun’s orbit is in fact in the plane of the Milky Way. It’s not plunging through the disk at a high angle
at all. So right away we see that the claim that the Sun is alien to the Milky Way is complete rubbish.

Seriously, we’re done here. You can stop.

Oh, you want more? OK. Let’s continue the smackdown.

If you read the Viewzone article (or the original claim from a site called, interestingly, CureZone) you can see they don’t understand this angle
issue at all! They do seem to get that the stream is at an angle to the Milky Way, but they also claim that this is why the plane of our solar system
is at an angle to the Milky Way’s plane, which is a bizarre (and totally incorrect) idea.

First, the plane of the solar system (defined, really, by the plane of the Earth’s orbit) is tilted with respect to the Milky Way’s plane by about
60 degrees or so. But this is not a big deal; the Sun formed from a gas cloud 4.6 billion years ago, and any number of forces would have caused that
cloud to collapse such that the plane of our solar system could be pointed any which way. There’s no reason to assume the two planes would align.

Second, the articles never actually make the case that the solar system is aligned with the angle of the Sagittarius dwarf stream! If the Sun came
from that galaxy, and they make these claims about angles and planes, don’t you think they’d actually see if our solar system aligns with the
dwarf galaxy? That should set off alarm bells in your head.

Plenty more at the source that debunks the global warming claims as well.

thanks guys, i thought it was in the wrong place, and i know you shouldnt believe everything you read on the web, but look at it from this angle, if
what is explained here is true then the massive tax rises and the unproven belief that man is causing global warming is nothing more than another way
to scare people into parting with more cash for no other reason than governmental greed, also not everything that comes from legitimat sources is true
and should be taken with more than just a pinch of salt, credible, who is credible, the govs, mainstream science, in days gone past people were burned
at the steak because what they thought and said didnt fit with the mainstream, i will reveiw this and add more links, remember the government dont
want people to rock their boat and will always put this type of info down as nothing more than fancyfull dreaming, again thanks

Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls
Exactly, how this thread already has 5 flags, I don't know. Either a lot of people aren't reading the pseudo-scientific article and laughing, or are
just gullible.

shh shhhhh, last time I pointed that out, I ended up on someone's ignore list.

Anyways, I think it's great, when I first heard that Andromeda was set to collide with us I got excited, then I heard it would take a few billion
years. Least we can still say we lived through at least one collision.

Originally posted by Phage
The offset of the ecliptic with the axis of the Milky Way is no reason to believe that the Solar System is not a child of the Galaxy. The plane of the
Solar System was determined when it formed and it has nothing to do with the plane of the Galaxy. It has to do with what was going on in our locality
at the time. We can see other planetary systems forming now which are not aligned with the Milky Way, they are at all kinds of crazy angles.

On the other hand, the Sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, not the center of Sagittarius Dwarf. The entire Solar System is orbiting in the
plane of the Milky Way. We move "up and down" a bit but if you look at the image of our colliding galaxies you will notice that if we belonged to
Sagittarius Dwarf, we should be zooming through the disc of the Milky Way as we orbit that other center. We aren't.

We are home.

Phage -- You may very well be right.

However, "so what" if our solar system has its roots in the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy? Does that change anything? Beyond being scientifically
interesting, why would anyone really care where our solar system came from?

It's not like finding this out would somehow change who and what we are.

I know what your saying. But given that the M31 galaxy and also the Magellanic clouds can be seen with the naked eye, these are extra-milky way
objects. Using their apparent luminousity with the human eye I propose this hypothetical view from above the disc of the Milky Way.

Omg, this new information is amazing! I love it. Thanks for posting. I did the research once and came to the conclusion that every body in our solar
system was heating up and wondered why.

Also....Mayan legend speaks of our sun being swallowed by a great dark beast in the sky. Maybe this was analogous to our parent galaxy being consumed
by the Milky Way. And all of those spiral drawings could represent the Milky Way.

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