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6.7 / 5.9L/100kmBODY TYPE: SedanTECHNOLOGY: HybridBASE MSRP: $25,800

When we first reviewed the 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid we noted it was taking direct aim at the Toyota Camry Hybrid and Ford Fusion Hybrid, the two most popular mid-size hybrid sedans, and said, “Keep your eye on the new kid on the hybrid block.”

We weren’t wrong, the Sonata Hybrid kicked butt. After its first three months on the market, the newbie established itself as the second best selling gas-electric in the United States, trailing only the indomitable Toyota Prius, a position it maintained through the end of 2011.

The Sonata Hybrid’s meteoric rise on the hybrid sales chart wasn’t just about the car’s EPA fuel economy rating of 35 city/40 highway and 37 combined – there were seven other hybrid cars with higher ratings. Buyers were also enticed by the Sonata’s eye-riveting styling and tech-rich standard equipment at a price that was difficult to pass up.

For 2012, the Sonata Hybrid reprises the 2011’s exterior and interior styling, but adds Hyundai’s Blue Link telematics system as standard and offers an optional Leather package ($1,500). The 2012 Sonata Hybrid is available in just one trim level and has a base price of $25,850, a $55 price bump from the 2011 model.

Balancing Highway and City MPG

Hyundai went its own direction on hybrid technology by developing original proprietary hybrid architecture to reduce weight and to improve highway fuel economy.

Unlike hybrid systems from Ford and Toyota, the Hyundai system does not use a continuously variable transmission with integrated electric motors and generators. Instead, Hyundai employed its new six-speed automatic transmission with an electric motor that takes the place of the torque converter. What’s the difference? It means that Hyundai is trying to address the common complaint that hybrids are boring to drive – and provide credible mileage for city driving conditions while delivering top-tier fuel economy for highway driving.

The full hybrid architecture allows the vehicle to operate on an electric motor only, a gasoline internal combustion engine only, or a combination of the two depending on driving conditions and driver demands. It also saves gas by automatically shutting off the gas engine when the car is stopped. The approach also results in a total combined gas-electric output of 206 horsepower and 193 pound-feet of torque. No direct rival has more horsepower, though competitors don’t list torque figures.

Like nearly all hybrid vehicle gasoline engines, the Sonata Hybrid’s 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine is recalibrated to run on the Atkinson cycle, a method of improving engine efficiency. While a fair amount of low-end torque is relinquished with the Atkinson conversion, it is made up by the additional torque from the electric motor.

The Toyota Prius Liftback, with its combined 50-mpg rating, is still way ahead of the pack on both highway and city efficiency numbers – but shoppers are more likely to put the Sonata Hybrid in the larger mid-size sedan (with trunk) category along with the Toyota Camry and Ford Fusion.

Lithium Polymer Batteries and Lighter Weight

Hybrid critics have complained that the need to tote heavy batteries means one step forward and two steps back. Hyundai deals with that issue by using lightweight lithium polymer batteries. The lighter batteries and other weight reductions make the Sonata Hybrid the lightest vehicle in the segment, at just 3,457 pounds – 263 pounds lighter than the Fusion Hybrid. Combined with Sonata’s best-in-class horsepower rating, Sonata Hybrid has a significant advantage in power-to-weight ratio.

The Sonata Hybrid’s 1.4 kilowatt-hour pack battery pack weighs just 95.9 pounds versus the Camry Hybrid’s 123.9 pounds. The compact battery pack resides in the forward portion of the trunk to maximize cargo space. Compared Lithium polymer batteries deliver the same power with 20 to 30 percent less weight, 40 percent less volume and 10 percent greater efficiency over the nickel metal hydride batteries found in today’s hybrids.

Slick and Slippery

When the all-new 2011 Sonata arrived, Hyundai called the eye-catching design “Fluidic Sculpture” and said it’s intended to “create the illusion of constant motion.” Its headlamps sweep out of a bold front fascia and well back into the front fenders. The “beltline,” the space that separates the body from the glass, is stylishly high and is accented by a chrome strip the length of the car. A radically raked windshield draws the eyes to a gracefully arched roof that gives the car a “four-door coupe” profile, a cue from European luxury sedans such as the Mercedes-Benz CLS.

With the Sonata Hybrid, Hyundai put form in service of function – better aerodynamics. The most dramatic design flair is an all-new front fascia featuring a vastly enlarged darkened grille flanked by anthropomorphic lizard-eye headlights. New wheels and extended rocker panels improve airflow across the flanks. In the back, the bumper cover has been reshaped with sharp creases at the corners to minimize drag. These changes drop the hybrid’s drag coefficient from the standard Sonata’s already slippery 0.28 to just 0.25 – matching the Toyota Prius Liftback’s number.

Inside, the dashboard is fashioned in a sports car, dual-cockpit theme with arched sections separated by a gracefully slopped center console. Between the analog gauges a liquid-crystal display fosters economical driving. The interior is a couple ticks above what is expected in a mid-size family car, intelligently crafted from expensive looking materials and smartly laid out. Rear seating is spacious with more than adequate headroom considering the coupe-like roof. The 10.7 cubic feet of trunk volume is nearly three cubic feet less than the 2012 Camry Hybrid and, unlike the Camry, the rear seat does not fold for additional cargo room.

The 2012 Sonata Hybrid continues Hyundai’s knack of creating strong showroom appeal by including hot-button features as standard. These include Hyundai’s Blue Link safety, service, and infotainment telematics system as well as Bluetooth hands-free mobile phone linking, and satellite radio. Add to the list an auxiliary audio jack and a USB interface for iPods and other digital media, plus a steering wheel fitted with audio, Bluetooth, and cruise controls.

On The Road

The Sonata Hybrid is notably quiet for a hybrid, holding off not only the sound of its own engine, but also blocking out the noise from tires and other vehicles, even on the coarsest of roads. As for handling, the car has balanced agility and the suspension keeps everything secure and stable in corners and emergency maneuvers.

My favorite aspect of the Sonata’s road manners is its responsive steering. It has a quick and precise feeling, is balanced and firm, but never twitchy.

The Sonata Hybrid can be motivated by the electric motor up to 62 mph and it isn’t difficult to drive at speeds of around 40 or 50 mph for a couple of miles before the gas engine kicks in. On the highway, mash the throttle to overtake a slower vehicle and the six-speed transmission winds nicely toward top rpm, shifting each time somewhere around 6,000 rpm, when the full tug of torque seems ready to run out.

So it would seem that Hyundai’s goal of using a conventional transmission instead of CVT to achieve a driving experience that closely parallels a conventional car was accomplished. And indeed, on the Interstate and highways it does. But on city streets and urban driving, where between 40 and 50 percent of driving occurs, it misfires. From a stop, the hybrid system always rolls off in electric mode. Around 15 mph the gasoline engine starts up with a harsh jolt and transmission shifts in lower gears are often hesitant. This calamity is quite off-putting and could be a deal breaker for some buyers.

Economics

The Sonata Hybrid made quite a splash in 2011, and deservedly so. Its fuel economy numbers were better than the Camry Hybrid and the Sonata and Fusion Hybrid were nearly identical, but with highway and city numbers swapped. It also boasted a lower price than those mid-size hybrids: $1,250 less than the Camry, $2,805 less than the Fusion. Add to that the stunning design and standard high-tech features and the Sonata had a winning formula that made it the number two selling hybrid vehicle in 2011.

But things have changed. Last fall Toyota rolled out an all-new 2012 Camry Hybrid. The 2012 edition demonstrates Toyota’s expertise in gasoline-electric hybrid technology, delivering a 43 city/39 highway mpg EPA fuel economy rating, numbers that handily best the 2012 Sonata. And while the Camry’s styling leans toward pedestrian compared to the Sonata, its base price of $25,900 is just $50 more than the Hyundai.

That’s not all. This fall Ford will begin selling an all-new 2013 Fusion Hybrid. Its fuel economy ratings are an expected 47 city/44 highway, numbers that are getting close to the indomitable Prius Liftback. Plus, it is blessed with the styling of the gasoline-powered Fusion that auto critics are calling the best-looking mid-size car, bar none.

But wait, the 2012 Sonata Hybrid offers something the others don’t – Hyundai’s warranty that the carmaker promotes as America’s best. Basic coverage is 5-years/60,000-miles bumper-to-bumper and 10-years/100,000-miles powertrain. Owners also receive 24-hour roadside assistance at no extra charge for 5-years/unlimited mileage. Then there’s the warranty knockout punch – the Lifetime Hybrid Battery Guarantee. If the lithium polymer battery fails, Hyundai will replace the battery and cover recycling costs of the old battery pack free of charge to the original owner.

That’s impressive and just one more reason why the Sonata Hybrid could again snag the number two spot on the hybrid sales chart at the end of this year.

Prices are Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at time of publication and do not include destination charges, taxes or licensing.>

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JBob

I’ve said it many times.

All the other auto players better be wary of Hyundai. These guys are not fooling around. Considering that in the last 10 years they have had a consistent increase in market share, top not quality control, and designs/options that rival their competitors on a comparable price point. The big guys should be wary.

I know Toyota is not taking them lightly, but with their recent problems, they have to focus more now on regaining/retaining their mojo that they’ve been building.

You watch.. my prediction? 10 years, these guys will be the top dog, or on the outset, at least in the top 3.

Scott Z

I like it so far. Cost will be a big part of course. It lacks the “Hey look at how different I am” of the Prius” and the “Hey look at the grampa car” of the Ford.

Good to see more competition out there indeed!

Charles

If Hyundai (37/39) is correct about the MPG (a safe bet these days) then the Fusion Hybrid (41/36) will still be king of the MPG wars for a mid-size sedan. I bet Hyundai comes in with a lower price, but also fewer standard features. Hopefully Ford and Toyota will match the price by offering a nice version of the Fusion and Camry hybrids, but with less standard equipment. This would be following advice from the Union of Concerned Scientists from a few months ago.

By being late to the hybrid party companies like Hyundai and Mercedes Benz are skipping the nickel metal hydride battery generation. It will be interesting to see what happens when Ford and Toyota transition lithium batteries. Having competition could speed up the conversion.

PaulRivers

It sounds like the batteries will kill the rear seat passthrough, just like in other hybrid sedans right?

This is what keeps me from considering buying one. Need to be able put my bike in the back.

Charles

Hello Paul;

My bike (56cm road bike) fits in the back of a Gen II Prius, with the front wheel removed and the privacy cover in its storage place. The hatchback makes it real easy, not as easy as my Focus wagon, but still easy.

DownUnder

What’s the warranty of Li-ion battery pack? Is it the same as Ni-MH? And the cost of a replacement? This must be taken into account when deciding . . .

ziyu

So the Ford Fusion has 41/36 mphg and the Sonata Hybrid has 37/38mpg? THat puts Fords average mpg at 38.5mpg and the Sonata at 38mpg, almost the same. Combine that with Hyundai’s reputation of low cost vehicles, then Hyundai’s going to be big competition to the big 3 very soon

This, along w/the Ford Fusion, is one of those cars that will be significant in the mainstreaming of hybrid tech to “Mom & Pop” and middle America even though it may not excite the fringe that hangs out at places like hybridcars.com.

Hyundai will be delivering Li ion about 2 yrs before Honda. I think Hyundai may be to the 2010s what Honda was to the 1980s — THE car company to watch.

Samie

Price will be an important factor with this car. We clearly see this with the Insight which should have had a pricing point between 17-18k.

Hyundai clearly gets it. We will have inflated gasoline prices (through hedging) and/or spikes soon so being able to quickly modify production lines to meet demand (in weeks not months), may determine which car companies come out ahead in 10 years. What is absent so far is the 15-17k no thrills hybrid which may be coming if battery costs continue to decline. I would also like Hyundai to develop a Leaf like electric vehicle to start out with. Toyota, Ford, & Hyundai/Kia on top in ten years???? We will see…….

simon@syd

Not sure they’ve got it right with the city/country split. We are, mostly, city people now, right? Why not optimize the car for the city? And more importantly – why shouldn’t the ‘official’ testing authorities optimize fuel economy ratings for the city? Here in Australia a 50/50 precedence is given to country / city mileage, which distorts apparent fuel efficiency in favour of larger cars.

scott

paul:
In my 2009 pruis my wife and I took 2 mountian bikes, 2 large luggage bags (for a week vacation) some small bags and a large cooler and drove 1000 miles.

ms

One another option is always welcome.

This is increase de development of new hybrid tech from toyota and ford.

Better than epa ratings the real test drive are more real and gives a fair view of the competence of the hybrid system.

In europe some brands configure the cars engine software to have a very good ratings when compared to their direct competitors. Altought in the every day driving the consumptions are quite similar.

Lost Prius to wife

JBob and Samie, the two of you may be right about Hyundai making it to the top three. I still think world wide rising cost will keep most hybrids above the $18K – $20K mark. I think where we will see the most cost change is in the middle market of $35K to $50K as reduced production cost, design cost, and battery cost dirve the price down. With increased oil cost, many will be forced to seriously consider buying a hybrid over a standard gas/diesel drive. The larger volume of hybrid sales will then allow the reduction of production cost, design cost, and battery cost.

DJ Scott

Hey forum. I’m a student at North Carolina State University and have a semester long project dealing with various aspects of hybrid vehicles. Just wondering if you would do my project group a solid and take our survey about hybrid vehicles if you have 5 minutes to spare. We’d appreciate it very much!!! Thanks!

Btw, I’m a fan of this Sonata. Hyundai is really coming out with some solid products. I really want a Genesis Coupe after graduation but I think I’m going to start a career in real estate so that probably wouldn’t be a wise decision. Oh well maybe a weekend car. Thanks again!

nycsolar

The Gen 2 Prius us quite a capable bike hauler. I have been able to lug 3 full size mountain bikes (it helps to unscrew at least 1 pedal so that the bikes can sit flatter), along with 2-3 bags for a weekend trip. I’ve hauled an 8 foot ladder, 8 ft 2x4s, 10 foot pvc pipes (diagonally) from front passenger dash to opposite corner, and on another occasion a split full size platform bed. Now, I would love to see cars of the “larger mid-size sedan” segment beat that. But definitely, the pass through is really a valuable feature that I hope this car has.

JustanotherDave

I think a 209 hp sedan, that’s not excessively heavy and gets 37/39 will sell. I think Hyundai has a very good car to target the Camry/Altima Hybrid buyers. (5 more mpg and nearly 25 more horsepower? Sell it on “making hybrids a fun car to drive”. )

I also suspect, based on styling, the Kia Optima version might be an even bigger hit.

Interestingly enough, Hyundai also released a 274 hp 4 cylinder turbo engine gettign 34 highway MPG for the more performance focused. It also has an extremely good power to weight ratio without losing much in economy.

I think the potential is quite good for a car that is economical enough to feel green and powerful enough to feel like you didn’t sacrifce anything for the mpg.

Marco

I have been shopping for a new car lately and have been impressed with the Hyundai’s. I should say that I am a lifelong Toyota owner, with 3 in the driveway at the moment. I am driving a ’93 Corolla Wagon 5-speed. I average better than 30mpg. The car I have driven that most resembles this is a 2010 Elantra Touring. However I would really like a hybrid if I could swing it. I test drove the Prius and thought that visibiity out the back was poor. So, I am intrigued by Hyundai coming out with one. I imagine while most companies with Hybrids have exhausted the tax-break quotas, that should be wide open for Hyundai’s. Am I right about that?

Yegor

Yes, there will be a tax-break Hyundai.

D R

well what does it cost?

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Stephen

I would like to see Hyundai introduce a hybrid version of the Elantra. Also, it would be nice if they came out with a pickup truck.

RonBham

At the auto show’s debut of the Sonata hybrid they alluded to a release date of “around the holidays”. Its funny how you can’t get everything in one car, though. The Fusion has a more buttoned down drive while the Sonata is somewhat softer. The Fusion has a quieter interior at hwy speeds and offers more interior amenities. But the new Sonata is 100% hotter looking! Waiting for the release of the Sonata Hybrid to drive them both. Camry Hybrid is way too dull (as is the Camry). Prius way too granola (and slow).

OurDad

Although there is obviously no way I would know but I’ll just bet the HSH will be priced in mid $20′s with one optional package in the $2200 range.

S P

Looks like a winner.

If this thing is anything as good as it sounds, it will outsell the Camry and Fusion, for sure.

I’m waiting for a really good diesel to come to the U.S. We still have a pretty limited selection.

Not sure if I would buy a hybrid above a clean diesel. I’m probably going to wait a few years to see what develops.

George Johnson

I am waiting for a clean-diesel hybrid thats the real ticket to fuel economy and torque. The Volt should have a diesel engine to charge the batteries then it would get huge MPG’s. Watch out for VW with a diesel hybrid….id be a buyer.

bob phillips

I have owned hyundias in the past and can’t wait to trade in my 2009 camry hybrid for the new sonata!!!

The big deal is that it’s a step forward, and it takes a lot of steps to get to where a lot of us would like the automotive industry to go. The more hybrid options that are available, the more people will purchase them, and the more people purchase them, the more that companies will put time and money into developing newer, better technologies. The auto industry is still learning to crawl with regard to alternative fuel technology, but eventually it will learn to walk, and then run, if we continue to encourage it. I for one am very excited to see the finished product Hyundai provides.

Henryd

Lithium batteries degrade less through the cycles. This means Hyundai Sonata will run and consume like its new after 3 years unlike the others.

Jim Asparro

I bought a 6 cylinder Hundai Sonata two years ago. It is by far the best car I have ever driven. I look forward to getting into it every day. Absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it. It has every creature comfort needed. When I was shopping, a comparable Accord and Camry cost $7,000 to $10,000 more. More than likely, the price of the new hybrid will undercut all of them when it is announced. When my car has 200K on it I will trade it in on the new hybrid.

Rich Pez

How about a 40 MPG Ford Fiesta, no need for a hybrid.

Jerry Klein

Ok lots to read and absorb! BUT this will be my next car. Out with my ’02 Nissan Maxima…GLE …a great car but Nissan has dropped the ball. Hyundai the comer and their technology appears to be ahead of the pack!

Ziggyman

Or you could just buy an o8 TCH for around 18k, install 4new
215/60R16 CONTINENTAL PROCONTACT ECOPLUS tires + remove and replace the factory airbox with K&N cold air intake and achive 44/42 mpg

Robert W. Riley

I look forward to seeing the new sonata hybrid sedan and hope that it not a bare bones ride with a nice extirior. I like nice things like LED headlights taillights navigation screen (Ther is a nice nav screen in the genesis!) ride control (soft & performance) also a nice audio system up-grade with a sub-woofer addition H.D. radio plush ventilated (heated & cooled) seats available also it would be nice to see a sizable pass through from the trunk with 250,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty for 10 years! I previously owned Toyotas for the since 1978….32years 2 Toyota Camry Hybrids & 2 Toyota Priuses (You could not see the lcd dash to tell how fast or what gear you were in bright sunlight) Please do not use lcd dash display for your Sonata Hybrid!…….Thankyou robertriley4180!@att.net

Alexandria

Everything I’m reading about the Sonata Hybrid is chipping away at my scepticism. It’s the size I want (a little bigger than my SC3 Saturn), about 5 mpg more than I’m averaging, it looks good, and sounds as though it will have the oomph to carry my little kayak up and down the Adirondacks. I’ll wait to Christmas but not much longer. It would be cool if they’d offer it in a “special” color.

Kelly

I have heard that next year Honda is releasing a diesel version of the Civic..

Tony Morrish

Why or why is everyone chasing the hybrid dream when all the these vehicles are available in Europe with diesel engines. I drive a VW TDI and get between 50 & 55 mpg (US gallons) even weeks where I drive aggressively in the city I can’t do any worse than 55 mpg
Plus I pay 10 cents per litre less than gas

samC

Unfortunately Diesel costs at least 20 cents more a gallon than regular near me in CT bringing its predicted savings (Jetta TDI vs Sonata Ltd non Hybrid) to roughly $350 a year at 25,000 miles a year (my wife has a rough commute). The Hybrid Sonata would offer a $790 saving per year making it a possible better choice depending on cost of course. Diesel unfortunately is roughly the same weight as Heating oil so if refineries are under strong demand ie: very cold winter, Diesel prices should be expected to rise also.
Consumer reports I believe states 60/40 HWY/CITY usage as an average so that would put the Hyundai ahead of the Fusion for mileage.

Anonymous

how come i get 42 to 46 mpg in my camray hybrid.

Nanoman

Using my imagination…If as the information here says there is an all electric selection for power source what is going to stop us from adding more battery storage and going all electric?
That with the addition of a charger….
Adding 250/500 lbs to get all electric might be do-able..

Wendy Webb

Battery life??
Also warranty…valid in Canada? or would it be necessary to pay up front and send the bill to Hyundai US?? This is the case with Subaru.

Johnny

I love my Hyundai Elantra ; bought it 5 years ago for $4,000 (salvaged title) with 50K on the teller. Never had a problem ever.

I replace brakes and tires, that’s it. The new Hyundai’s are even better than the Lexus’s and Mercedes’s.

seth

No you don’t!!!

JustinO

I think most people who actually live “in” cities generally don’t drive far enough to worry about fuel economy (if they even drive at all)

The people who worry about fuel economy are those that commute from the burbs. Which in the US is the larger portion of the middle class. (i.e. the people who buy new cars) For these people they commute on city streets and highways (even if stuck in traffic a lot of the time) so the mix makes perfect sense.

I think Hyundai has another winner on their hands provided they can keep the price right.

JustinO

We own an Accent and a Sante Fe… we get great mpg on both but now with a longer commute I would love to get something like this.

Can’t wait to see the price, since price has been the only thing keeping me from getting a Prius or some other hybrid.

We bought our Accent 2 years ago (new) when i factor the difference in MPG, and purchase price I would have had to drive a new Prius for over 10+ years to make up the difference (or the price of gas would have had to go to over $15 a gallon) to even break even.

MPG is great and all but it’s all about TCO and if your initial costs are too high… you will never realistically recoup that money.

ford Mustang

While the difference in city mpg is not huge, the fusion gets 41 mpg city.

The comment that city people drive rarely or at all may apply to someone who lives in the downtown core or fringe of a large city, the fact is that most people in a city do a fair bit of commuting.

In the burbs it’s even more, so having a fuel economy number that’s biased towards city makes a lot of sense.

That being said, the real reason that full hybrids get better city economy than highway, relates to engine and electric motor efficiency.

A gas motor is more efficient at higher speeds, while an electric is more efficient at lower speeds.

Hyundai is certainly making better cars than in the past, but there’s still an expectation that hyundai should be cheaper.

Until we see concrete prices, I guess time will tell in that department.

syra

Hyundai remain committed to being more fuel the car manufacturer Hyundai first hybrid on the planet. This completely new hybrid has all the style you would expect the Sonata and commissions, as well as projections 37city/39 MPG highway. And unlike other hybrids on the market, uses a breakthrough in lithium-polymer battery that runs cooler, light and flexible optimal packing.http://www.greenautozone.net/

Marvin McKinley

The only thing I don’t like about the new Hybrid is the reduction of the size in the trunk from the regular Sonata. They are saying they are going for the highway driver but they take away our luggage space for trips. I wished they would have added one foot in overall length and had given us a decent sized trunk.

cheslava

I love my Genesis 4.6 and it takes 22 a gallon on hyway

Anonymous

I purchased a 2006 Sonata in Nov. of 2005 when they changed to body style etc.. My first Hyundai and it has been a great car. No quality or maintenance issues with 100K miles. Probably replace at 200K mile. Hybrid or diesel would be my choice with gas prices no where to go but up

Paul Gracey

Two points: The same coefficient of drag is not going to produce the same drag if the Hyundai is larger in cross section. That may be one reason it cannot achieve the Prius’ high mileage even with its trick six-speed. Engine displacement would be the other, meaning they want the market segment that prefers performance over economy.
As to bicycle carriage, my gen II Prius swallows whole my fully streamlined recumbent, with only the removal of its small front wheel necessary with the passenger seat fully forward. I bet the Hyundai cannot do that, meaning one has to use a roof rack, and the accompanying drag increase that would entail.

whitney

i search EVERY DAY for news on the release date and pricing (buy vs. lease) for this car and it’s KILLING ME that there’s no info yet. anyone with inside dirt?

MattD

@whitney-
I’m in the same boat- constantly looking for new info. Went to a dealer today, and they told me they don’t expect them in until February. Every single piece of info I’ve read has said they’ll be out before 2010 ends. Why don’t any of the car news outlets know?

spizike9

Paul you may be right that it may increase drag if you have to put a roof rack on the Sonata but at the end of the day you are still driving a Prius. Although a great car nobody with a pair of nuts under the age of 60 should be seen driving one of those.

Robert West

Focus! It does not have a Li-ion battery!

Lithium polymer

LeoD326

Charles…check out the interior picture of the Hyundai Hybrid…it has 2 sunroofs…the front one I’m sure opens, while the rear one is for viewing out of…I’m think the mpg is less due to the higher horsepower output….if it’s priced around 24K it will be a real winner….the Fusion is over 30K with options..too much in by book.

Charley Horse

The Sonata gets 35 mpg highway without a hybrid system today. You are highly mistaken if Hyundai will push out a 37/38 car and brand it a hybrid with the non hybrid not lacking too far behind in MPG.

joseph bmacchi

i would like to see a power seat on the passenger side,not all
people are tall enough to look over the dashboard…i wpould pay the extra price….

BLIND GUY

I would like a Nissan Leaf, if it had a bit more range. I would also not mind owning a Chevy Volt, if it wasn’t so expensive. I am considering the Sonata 2.0T or Sonata Hybrid however I have some concern about the Hyundai’s materials looking prematurely old, like fading and tearing. If anyone has a 07 or newer Hyundai, I would like your opinion on this subject, Thx..

bpkaz

so when do we see the Sonata or the optima hybrids??

Leland Nelson bumpercc2@wmconnect.com

When is it ggoing to be available?

rita

I totally agree with you …

Gilbert

In the Middle of March 2011

Leo Ramos

I think the (non-hybrid) Sontata rode much better than any of the other hybrids so far. I’ve driven the Fusion, Prius, Civic, and Kia Optima (non-hybrid).

I own a regular gas powered 2011 Hyundai Sonata and drive it ALL city. I seldom get on the highway and I travel about 23 miles one way per day at minimum. I average 27 – 30 mpg each time I check. I imagine the hybrid will be WELL over what is being said here because my gas sonata gets almost that. This vehicle will hands down be the best hybrid on the market bar none. Also, Hyundai’s are now known for coming equipped with the best standard features. I have a base model that has bluetooth, xm, cd, electric everything. Amazing vehicle which is alot to say considering I went from a Genesis to this to save money. As soon as the hybrid comes out I will be the first to get it. I can honestly say I am a hyundai fan forever (which I NEVER thought I would say)!

Bill Gee

Purchased the standard Sonata Hybrid on three days ago . . . we love it.

jae

when did you purchase it, what date, i cant find out who has this car why not. and how much did you buy iot for did the dealershiop come down any in price. thanks

Anonymous

Where can you buy this thing?

SnotNose

Since I drive significantly more highway miles than city miles, it is not clear to me that the Fusion is the ‘king of the MPG wars.’ At best, if I average city and highway, it has a 0.5 mpg advantage — not exactly a crown-worthy win in my book.

society909

Why pay extra for a hybrid sonata when a non hybrid elantra gets higher highway mpgs? Am I missing something here? I have been looking for high mpg cars for awhile now. You have the elantra and the ford fiesta getting up to 40 mpg without being hybrids so I am disappointed that the sonata hybrid only gets 39. If I am going to pay extra for a hybrid I want to get at least 50. I guess my money will be going to Toyota for a pruis

Anonymous

Can some one who owns a sonata hybrid share the suburbia mpg they obtain? Where is this sold or is this just a marketing ploy?

Anonymous

Can some one who owns a sonata hybrid share the suburbia mpg they obtain? Where is this sold or is this just a marketing ploy?

Anonymous

The Sonata Hybrid has not landed at the dealers yet (at least my dearler), pricing has been released and should arrive later this month. Does anyone know if the Hybrid will operate without gas?

MD

“The Sonata Hybrid….should arrive later this month.”
Yeah, I’ve been hearing that since December. Why do I feel like March or April is a safer bet?

Anonymous

oxnard ca dealership told me yesturday, that they were going to receive special training on the hybrid sonata this thursday and that he expected them to start receiving them by next week

Anonymous

My dealer on the east coast told me June(!) as a likely arrival date. So much for Q1

sam85

I am digging the head lights

rbbayernde

I recently signed up with Hyundai-forums.com, and I’m reading that there are at least 100 hybrids in port, and another 2500 on ships heading for the states. Hyundai plans on producing from their Korea plant at least 1200 per month. All dealerships will have at least one hybrid on hand by April. Hope this helps. Also the delivery date is somewhere between April and May.

DWN2DV8

Hyundai with fewer standard features???
I dunno about that statement. I have owned Fords, a couple Chevys, and Toyotas.

As far as standard features on my 2002 Elantra, hands down it has WAY more than what Ford/GM/Toyota were offering when I bought my car (which is still running).

Ford and Toyota would bode well to do the lithium batteries though. It would reduce weight and thus help improve the economy even more. Now, it would REALLY be cool to see an Elantra hybrid that pulls 50+MPG. Heck, those have great legroom in the back seat. I am 6’1″ and it fits me fine no matter where I sit.

Jan

I have a 06elantra, bought used; a 06 sonata, bought new; a 09 sonata; bought new; and a 04 camry, bought used . The worst of the bunch is the 04 Toyota….very mechanical smell that makes my son drive with windows cracked..headaches, too. The Elantra has been fabulous for a used purchase. 06 sonata (manual transmission), gets great mileage and has had no problems. The 09 sonata had a manifold problem where the air conditioner stopped and smelled. The windshield wiper motor is on it’s way out..humming loudly.. And when the engine is cold and I let up on the accelerator…there’s a big jerk as if the engine downshifts too rapidly (automatic transmission). Earlier models of Hyundai…great..but the 09 is giving me reason to question the future models reliability..time to return to Subaru?

Jan

I have a 06elantra, bought used; a 06 sonata, bought new; a 09 sonata; bought new; and a 04 camry, bought used . The worst of the bunch is the 04 Toyota….very mechanical smell that makes my son drive with windows cracked..headaches, too. The Elantra has been fabulous for a used purchase. 06 sonata (manual transmission), gets great mileage and has had no problems. The 09 sonata had a manifold problem where the air conditioner stopped and smelled. The windshield wiper motor is on it’s way out..humming loudly.. And when the engine is cold and I let up on the accelerator…there’s a big jerk as if the engine downshifts too rapidly (automatic transmission). Earlier models of Hyundai…great..but the 09 is giving me reason to question the future models reliability..time to return to Subaru?

lou

we have a 2010 hyundai coupe genesis had it for a year still looks brand new and my dajugheter never washes it go figure

HARRYT

The cheat brochure that dealer trainees get say “no gas, no run”.

george smidhum

I have a 2001 Sonata, 6cyl with over 220,000 miles on it. I still get 30 miles to gallon no matter what type of driving i do. When i fill up at the 1/4 left on the fuel gauge it takes exactly 10 gallons. That ten gallons has been getting me 300 miles for 10 years every time I fill up. I use onyl the best synthetic oil to keep friction down. i was hoping that the new Sonata would do a lot better with fuel milage. I will run this car until it dies.

steve smith

Having owned two hyundais the hybrid will be my third. Sonota comes better equiped than any competition. Estimated mpg has been lower than real life driving. Quality, fit and finish and customer service are head and shoulders above the big three.

Robert D.

Does anyone know what the cost of maintenance is on hybrids. How does it compare to non hybrid cars?

S1arch

A dealership in Austin told me the hybrid will hit mid April. I am patiently waiting!!! I kicked myself when I sold my Santa Fe and traded it in for a Toyota Corolla because of the gas increase a few years ago. Problem after problem with the Corolla and Toyota doesn’t want to take responsibility. With the Santa Fe, I experienced the best customer service through hyundai, hands down! Not only is the service great but the warrenty beats anything! I can’t wait to trade this Toyota lemon in for a new Sonata Hybrid!

Doug Miller

I am thinking of purchasing a Sonata. I have given up on the hybrid version. Has anyone had any more info re hybrid? Thanks.

Mark4

Just bought a Sonata Hybrid today 4/14/2011 We got the car with the premium package. Put 150 miles on it and averaged just over 40 mpg mostly highway, but heavy traffic miles. We love the car especially the glass roof. 10 year 100,000 mile warranty!

Power-wise better than the Camry Hybrid and way better than the Prius. I haven’t tried the Fusion so can’t compare. These are hard to find. Only one car per dealer in our area. Most dealers keeping the one they have and taking orders. Call around to find a dealer who will actually sell you one, or sign up and wait. We had to have another car so couldn’t wait.

We called 9 dealers in a 100 mile radius of our house to find two that were going to be available (for sale). One sold before we could get to the dealer and the one we bought we were there at the dealer when the doors opened when it had just been unloaded from the truck the night before.

A couple of dealers trying to get $3000 to $4000 over MSRP (fat chance) we bought right at MSRP. If you can wait (assuming the supply will increase) you might negotiate a deal

Joe

A slight correction. The Hyundai Sonata has an interior volume of 104 cubic feet. That would make it a large car and not a mid size under EPA size classifications.

jason

I just got a Sonata hybrid with the premium package yesterday. I bought it within 3 hours of it coming off the truck and wanted to pick it up Friday and was asked to take it home immediately since they had four people come into the dealership wanting to drive it in the 30 minutes it took to do the paperwork and they were sick of having to explain why it was no longer available. Another dealer in my area has 15 people who have left deposits without even driving one yet. First impressions are great! We traded my son’s Scion xB and gave him our 07 Honda Civic Hybrid so we were used to the whole hybrid thing but this one drives soooo much beter than the Civic! It was amazing the first time on the freeway going 65 on the battery alone! I can’t wait to fill it up and see the real mileage! By the way, we got the car for $2500 BELOW msrp and still got top dollar for our trade, other dealers in my area wanted $1000-$2500 above msrp to even consider one.

Anonymous

We test drove a standard Hybrid tonight (5/2/2011, in Michigan)… it was awesome! Great handling, acceleration and a very smooth ride. The dealer only had one, with one more (standard) on the way, but we’re holding off for the premium. They were not willing to negotiate below MSRP.

Bill

Where dud you buy it, $2500 below msrp is great, what dealer.

Dennis Cope

I bought my Hyundai premium option on April 9th. I am not impressed with the shifting of the transmission it jumps and is very rough.
Took it back to a dealer who said it was the same as the one they had for sale so nothing was done. I must say this is an issue and needs to be addressed I am not happy with my car at all.
Dennis

jason

We found the transmission shifting very different from our Civic Hybrid (CVT) but we are getting used to it. I bought it in the DC/Baltimore area and while most dealers we spoke to talked of only $1000-$2000above msrp, we were able to work a killer deal with the one we went with. I would definately hold out for the premium, the whole package makes a huge difference (panaramic sunroof is awesome!!!) I would say to Dennis to give it some time, if you are this unhappy less than two weeks into owning, then you should not have bought it. While it does drive different than CVT transmissions it shifts just like any other 6 speed automatic if not better! Overall, I would give it a 9.5 out of 10 after the first week…

Mike Locke

Please give me the name of the dealer in the DC/Baltimore area. Thanks

Michael Locke

Please let me know the name of the dealer in the DC/Baltimore area. Thanks

jason

The dealer was Heritage Hyundai in Towson. Ask for Matt and tell him Jason sent you…

jason

We are going on three weeks with our new pepremiun sonata hybrid. Our first fil-up at about 350 miles netted about 34mpg. We tested out performance and such for the first bit so that combined with the newness of the car probably led to the “bad” mileage. Our second fill-ip was at 750 miles and we averaged 37mpg. We were still getting used to the 6speed transmitiin compared to the cvt on our civic hybrid and mostly city driving. My wife drove about 120 miles each way yesterday and we now have over 1100 miles (more than 300 miles since last fill-up) and the guage still reads two bars above half so I am figuring about 40mpg so far on this tank. Looking back on our civic’s first 3000 miles we went from 33mpg when new to 45mpg average at 3000+ miles so it is looking like the same trend here. By the way, I try to keep the cars above half full at all times otherwise I would only have one fill-up so far:-) we definately love the car and are very glad we got the premium package!!!

jason

By the way our driving is about 70/30 city to highway…

Jason

Just filled-up, 42.7mpg mostly highway (not freeway):-)

jason

Just wanted to add, we test drove the Fusion hybrid, Camry hybrid, and Chevy Volt before buying the Sonata hybrid. The Fusion felt like it was about to fall apart on the test drive and my 5 foot 6 wife was uncomfortable in the back seat. The Camry was O.K., it was just expensive and kind of cheap looking. The Volt was neat, just same problem as Prius and Insight; you can not see anything behind you and huge blind spots!! We are very happy with our choice!!

jason

Also I wanted to add that the Fusion’s interior was almost identical to the one in my wife’s old 1986 Toyota Corolla. Maybe someday American car companies will update their lineups, although to be fair, the 2011 Corolla has the same interior as the 1986 Corolla as well…

TimH

I have experienced the same tramsmission shifting problem. TPurchased the car 3 weeks ago and it has now been at the dealership for repair for two weeks. So far they have not been able to figure out what is wrong. At about 150 miles, it started shifting like a new kid trying to drive a standard transmission for the first time, or like the engine not starting on time to take over for the electric motor. A team of technicians from Korea worked on it for a week and said it was fixed, but whan I drove it off the lot, the problem was still there, so I drove around the block and put it back into service department. Not sure what the next step is, may be heading for a Lemon law claim.

jason

Sorry to hear about the transmission problems. We have over 1100 miles and have not had any problems whatsoever. Can I ask if this is your first hybrid? Not that I’m a mechanic but ALL hybrids drive a little different from non-hybrids and I know when my father drove our Civic hybrid when he was visiting and he thought there was a problem because he was not used to it. Hope they can fix your problem and please update the blog if you figure out what is going on.

Bronson

Dying to get a Premium Hybrid Sonata and cannot find one anywhere! Was told there weren’t any to be released for 4 months? Anyone know what’s going on ?

Bronson

I am in Oklahoma

Daniel Field

Dealer was hit by tornado.

Steve Samuels

Just bought it last week. Getting 41mpg. Rides great – varying the display is cool. Get ECO score, whether energy going from engine to tires to battery or reverse, miles driven, miles left etc. 625 miles on a tank of gas. Will let you know if problems in a month or so.

jason

I just got lucky and happened to be playing hookie from work when the dealer called. I was the first to walk in and by the time I left, four more people had shown up to drive it. The manager alone had over 20 people on his list who wanted the premium. I drove off the lot less than 3 hours after the truck pulled in with the premium. I have since found out that several other dealers in the area have at least the first several premiums pre-sold and they only have non-premiums on the lot. I can tell you it is well worth waiting for!!! More than four weeks and 1500 miles and still extremely happy with it!!!

David

Purchashed my base Sonata hybrid on 5/14/11 from Patrick Hyundai, Schaumburg, IL for about $1200 under MSRP. I’m glad you like your sunroof, but I just couldn’t see another 3-4K for that and the Nav system, and, I don’t particularly like leather seats. The base is loaded with features, enough for me. I’m finding the mipg climbing, even within the first 400 miles. First trip to work (37 miles of mixed suburban/country road driving, no Interstate), 38.5 mpg, 2nd trip about 40 mpg, today the trip home was 43.5. Maybe I’m changing my driving habits and turning into a hypermiler? Odo is at 421, no shift problems (say, those of you with tranny complaints, you didn’t accidentally put it into Shiftronic mode, did you?) Smooth ride, quiet. I’m 62 and this is the best car I’ve ever owned.

wrightmercy

i bought sonata and i am contented and satisfied with the performance.

jason

I’m glad you like your non-premium and must say I wish there was something in between standard and premium as we are not huge fans of the nav (tomtom is much better). The Kia Optima will have more in between the standard and top of the line models but due to a higher drag coefficient will only get around 36mpg tops. we are very satisfied with our Sonata hybrid premium and absolutely love the sunroof and heated seats:-)

mike rosengarten

The problem with the Fusion Hybrid is that it has only 3 stars for the driver crash test. The sonata is 5. A big difference in injury.

Jason

and the 1980′s cockpit and the ford badge and quality (or lack there of)…

JC

Love my 2003 Sonata but time for a new car. Tried a prius and hated it. Heard about the sonata hybrid yesterday. Researched. Sounded interesting. Went to a dealer this morning… one was coming off the truck as I told him I wanted to test drive one. Tested it, liked it, bought it. He said they’ve only had 4 so far and none have sat in the lot more than an hour. mine’s the base model. Didn’t think the premium would be worth it, which is good, because this was all they had. And it was in black, which was my second choice after red. My 2003 was black, so I’m used to a car that never looks clean anyway.

Jason… you’ve got to be kidding. 2500 UNDER MSRP? These b*stards charged me 2000 OVER MSRP, just because they could. I bought it at Thompson in Baltimore.

Jason

Wow, $2000 over blue? Mine came from Heritage in Towson. After I bought it one of the other dealers kept calling, leaving a message on my phone in the morning telling me they had one, then that would leave another message a few hours later saying it had been sold. This happened several times before I finally got in touch with them to tell them I had bought one and they told me they were getting $1000-$2000 above msrp for each of them so I do not think you are alone in this. We have about 1900 miles on ours and still very happy. My wife was very upset when I bought it and although she won’t admit it, she absolutely loves it. She really loved her Civic Hybrid (now my 19 year old son’s) and was very skeptical. Now she drives it everywhere and every time I get in after she drove it, the stereo is up loud (infinaty system is great) and things are blown around from the roof being open. So JC, i’m glad you found one. I have no doubt you will love it!!!

Chuck

All about timing buddy. I was in market for mini van back in 1999. Honda Odyssey was the big seller back then. I went Honda dealer and they told me “We don’t have new in our lot but we’ll order one for you with $3000 over MSRP and we can get it here in a month or two OR you can buy used one that has 19,000 miles on with $1000 over new MSRP price.”.. I walked to Mazda dealer next door and asked about MPV and they told me “We have great savings going on Mazda and we’ll take $2000 of MSRP on MPV. You pick your color.” We bought 2000 silver MPV while my car was parked at Honda dealer..

jason

I worked at a honda dealership for a number of years -10 plus-
drove prius and honda hybrids and worked them both, now I work at a Hyundai dealership the Sonata Hybrid is the best I have ever driven or worked on.

jason

I worked at a honda dealership for a number of years -10 plus-
drove prius and honda hybrids and worked them both, now I work at a Hyundai dealership the Sonata Hybrid is the best I have ever driven or worked on.

Chuck

@jason

Didn’t Sonata hybrid just come out? What did you have to work on them that made you deicide post like “best I have ever driven or worked on”? Oil change? Sonata needed something fixed under warranty already? Sonata hybrid will keep you busy so that’s a great job security for you but for spending time at dealer because of warranty fix is a bad experience for customers.

Eric

I’m living in California, probably one of the greenest states around and I can’t find a Sonata Hybrid with the premium option anywhere!! I’ve been waiting for them to come out, and now that they are out I’ve been waiting to find a Venetian Red one. Now I’m waiting to even find one period!
So what’s the deal, are they not available because 2012 is just around the corner? Or is it that there is another technical issue that is putting them behind (removing the option for an engine sound being the last delay)? Or are they selling too quickly, which I doubt since I have not seen a single one on the street.

I cannot speak for California but I have been told that there were some vital components made in Japan and because of the earthquake, they had some problems. I know that the dealer where I got mine was only allowed one of each flavor for the first several weeks but not sure now. Good luck finding one, they are a great car!!

sk

GET A BAKE RACK!

Maroontiger

I bought a 2011 sonata hybrid may 6, 2011…. and now it sits in a dealership service drive while i drive a rental. In this case they cant find the problem and dont know what way to proceed. the general manager put me on the phone with hyundai and they told me they would get back to me in 3-5 days…. meanwhile im driving a Chevy Equinox getting 20 miles to the gallon vs 38 in my hybrid…. Why did i not just buy a chevy Cruz eco???

Bob Ruff

I have driven my 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid for over 1000 miles. I am very pleased with its performance, fuel mileage, comfort and appearance. I chose the base model over the premium for the following reasons: 1) the sunroof results in a reduction in headroom, 2) I prefer cloth to leather seats because I find the leather is stiff in the winter and can become excessively hot in the summer, 3) I was able to have heated seats installed by the dealer for a $500 so the one item that I really wanted could be installed by the dealer for much less than the cost of the premium package.
There are a few features that I particularly like. The Bluetooth connects to my Blackberry extremely well to enable me to have hands-free and eyes-on-the-road phone use. I also like the choice of displays between the speedometer and “Eco-gauge.” I prefer the display that shows the instanteous mpg as well as when the electric motor is engaged. I found that it enables me to make small adjustments to driving that results in improvements in mileage. I also note that the mileage is sensitive to the driving conditions. I get about 4-5 mpg better on flat roads than on hilly terrain. I also found that if there are very steep hills that following the owner’s manual recommendation to turn off “Blue-Drive” results in a smoother ride. The regenerative braking system reclaims some of the work done by the motor to raise the car up a hill, but as is true of all things of human hands it is not 100% efficient so that the engine has to do more work to carry the car up hills than is recoverred going down the hills. My wife made the analogy to riding a bike – it is clearly harder to negotiate hilly terrain.

My mileage has been 38-40+ mpg for city driving and 43-46 mpg on highways. I measure mpg by dividing miles driven by the amount of gas consumed. I use 89 octane gas. I found in the past driving 4 cylinder cars that I would get about 7-10% better mileage on 89 compared to 87 octane and the 89 generally costs 10 cents more i.e. the 89 octane costs only about 4% more than 87 octane but by providing more than a 4% improvement in gas mileage the 89 octane is a better buy and since emmission are directly related to the amount of gas used the 89 octane also results in less CO2 emmissions. I have not determined that the 89 octane provides better gas mileage in the Sonata hybrid, but the relatively small difference in price between 87 and 89 octane does not compell me to repeat prior determinations.

My experience differs from some reports on the web: 1) the car rides true – it does not pull to either side and it brakes true as well; 2) as stated above, my mpg has been good; 3) I like the climate control, particularly that the ability to change the way the car is heated or cooled and that the driver and passenger can adjust temperature independently; 4) the proximity key system works extremely well; 5) I find the seats to be very comfortable and the driver seat adjustment is very intuitive.

If any readers live near Cleveland, OH, I found Rick Case Hyundai in Bedford, OH to be very accomodating and to operate with integrity. The salesperson that I dealt with, Chuck Ardary, worked hard to get me in what has proved to be the right car for me. I have physical challanges. Chuck provided me with a loaner car while the modifications to the car were obtained and installed.

Perhaps what I like most of all about the Sonata Hybrid is that the car is fun to drive. It beckons one to enter and go forth.

BRColonel

The Sonata Hybrid does have a rear seat passthrough – so go ahead and get one!

arny

I’ve had my Sonata Hybrid for one month and have about 1900 miles on it. During the first week I had the malfunction light come on. After two trips to the dealership, the vacuum leak detection pump was replaced and the engine malfunction light has not come on again. At first, the dealer said that the gas cap was not tighten enough and said that was the problem. Once I got home from the dealership, the engine malfunction light came on again. So if anyone has the same problem, the dealer may have to replace the vacuum leak detection pump.

Besides the initial problem, described above, I have had no other problems. Overall, I am satisfied with the Sonata Hybrid and I have checked the mpg twice: 36 mpg and 38 mpg. These two checks represent 85% highway miles. Comfort of power driver seat is a plus, especially the lumbar support. Ride and handling are very good. I have not noticed any significant problems with the transmission shifting between gears. Many reviews applaud the six speeed transmission when compared to the CV ones. At times the shifting is noticeable but not intrusive. Since the Sonata is the first hybrid to use a standard six speed transmission, I am interested to see how the integrated hybrid gears, computer, and transmission perform. So far, I’m pleased.

My most notable complaint is the road noise. I have a 2006 Camry and it seems quieter inside. Oh well, I just turn up the radio.Being a old guy (67), I was hesitant about purchasing a hybrid. But I feel “green” driving it and hope that my carbon footprint has lessened as a result of my purchase.

Jim Denny

I’ve had mine for a few weeks now. I am very pleased with it. Milage is good – 38 mpg on the first fillup. The gas guage hardly moves. I drive 80 miles a day, at this rate I will save 200 a month over my pickup that I had been driving, which is half the car payment. And I have already had a couple of people stop me in parking lots to ask questions about it. I never thought anyone would notice, but when I came out of Menards one kid was drooling all over it and making his mother wait while he admired it.

I had a 2003 Sonata prior to this. I sold it to a friend last year when his car blew up. It had 160,000 trouble free miles on it. The only thing I ever did to it was a tune up, timing belt, serpantine belts and brake job at 120,000 miles. I went through 3 sets of tires and was amazed at how reliable it was.

The hybrid is much nicer and a much smoother ride. The seats are very comfortable and the lumbar support is really appreciated. Everything is electric – windows, mirrors, seats – the only options you get are color and the deluxe package. If I get as many miles as my last Sonata, I will really be happy.

I like the detail Hyundai has put into the blue model, the dashboard graphics are a nice touch and let you know how the car is doing. I am not really a fan of XM, so when the trial runs out I will probably drop it. The stereo is good – not great, and the bluetooth is like most I have seen built into the radios – it sucks. But it is there and usable, it just sounds like you are talking from inside a deep well.

If this hybrid is as reliable and dependable as my last Hyundai I will be a customer for life.

Steve Samuels

Now have driven 3500 miles. Only problem is that the driver seat is frayed. New one on order. Hyundai gave me a $50 promotional credit card for filling out a survey and telling them of the problem. Absolutely no other problems. Getting 39 mpg. Handles great. Obviously quiet when in ETV mode. Need to warn bicyclists with slight tap on horn if going under 30 and in ETV mode. Don’t know why the speedometer goes up to 160. I had it up to 95 without any problems – probably could go faster but that is not what I bought it for.

Cleveland_Bob

To me the choices in the category of reasonably priced hybrid sedans are the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid and the Ford Fusion Hybrid. I wanted to buy a car built by US workers and neither is. l chose the Hyundai for the following reasons: 1) It has more room – I am talking about meaningful passenger room. The leg room, which is the most important to me, is much greater for the Hyundai. 2) I am sort of a computer geek and I like the Li-polymer batteries. Computers switched from Ni-metal hydride to lithium about 7-10 years ago. The car industry has a longer design/development cycle and takes longer to innovate. 3) There are a number of extra that the base Hyundai hybrid comes with and the interior feel were superior to the Fusion. The base price of the Hyundai is lower, but one might be able to get better deals on the Fusion. However, the volume of hybrids made is such a small fraction of the market that there are few breaks for either car in price.

ps – I have averaged over 41 mpg during almost 2000 miles of driving and though early no complaints.

Ken W.

All the posts so far are accurate. I have owned one for about one month. Mileage 38/39. Rides and handles very well. Quite. Lot of features for price. I have Ford Family members and still could not compete with Hyundai even after family A/Z plan discount. I guess that is why this is my 6th Hyundai.

Tim L.

Anyone know when the 2012 Sonata Hybrid is due out? Rather wait for the second production run. Also considering a 2012 Sonata 2.0Turbo Limited, and the 2012 Re-designed Azera. They all appear to be about the same price oddly enough. Hybrid is attractive due to fuel economy, but hard to sacrifice horsepower after driving a V6 for 12 years.

Jason

We had our first service last week and two days later decided to take a long weekend down to southern Virginia. We almost made it to our exit when the car started beeping and saying “Check Charging System” then we lost all power. We were able to limp off the freeway at 5pm on a Friday evening and luckly were able to get it to the local dealership before everyone went home. The dealership was fantastic and looked at it first thing Saturday to include a very lengthy test drive by the dealership VP but could not get the car to reproduce the fault. We got the car back at 1pm and decided to keep close just in case it broke down again and sure enough at 6pm the car did it again. We had to leave the car with them in Roanoke and were able to get Hyundai roadside assistance to rent us a car so we could go home. It is now almost a week later and Hyundai directed the dealership to order a new charging controller which of course is on back order with an unknown delivery date. Don’t get me wrong the dealership in Virginia (First Team Hyundai in Roanoke) has been awesome but when you spend $30,000+ for a vehicle you expect to get more than 3,600 miles before the car starts falling apart! I am also less than thrilled with Hyundai’s handling of the situation. We still have yet to hear how we are going to get the car back once/if it is fixed (300 miles away).

salatas

OK, he did fine, I don’t think that I would have wanted to ride with him! No statement of time, was it two, three, four or two weeks?forex software

I have a 2007 Prius bought in November 2006 and as the cars before it, I keep track of the mileage on Excel…The Prius this year is at 41.851 mpg. Keeping in mind that not wishing to be run over on the Tollway I usually at the limit or in a crunch can go faster. I certainly won’t tell how fast!….On one trip in Iowa from Boone to where the great one died along with two others which was 106 miles I got 50 MPG, yes I have the picture of the readout and a witness.

Jason

Well we got the car back on Saturday and so far so good. I must say that FirstTeam Hyundai in Roanoke are the very best dealership I have ever worked with in over 25 year and more than 30 cars! They were fantastic! They arranged for the car to be hauled up to us even with the hurricane threatening. They replaced the charging controller which is what the engineers at Hyundai said was wrong, then drove it 80 miles to ckeck their work, and had it back up to us within 36 hours of receiving the part. We are taking a short 75 mile jaunt this weekend to try the fix for our selves and will hopefully have better luck than our last weekend getaway!

Erik

Who is “we”? I live in a rural area and have to drive 20 miles to get to the stores. In fact, virtually everyone who lives in this area commutes to work (on average, about 45 minutes according to surveys results). On the other hand, many of my friends who live in New York City, Philadelphia, and so forth don’t even own cars. Additionally, here in America at least, 95% of the country is in suburban and rural areas, not urban areas. It makes far more sense to design a car for the American market that targets highway drivers.

Robert79

It sure is a great car isn’t it? I have a 2007 Prius as well andI love the car but it’s time to sell it and buy a newer Prius. jak szybko chudnac

By the way, I would love to see that picture

Robert79

It sure is a great car isn’t it? I have a 2007 Prius as well andI love the car but it’s time to sell it and buy a newer Prius. jak szybko chudnac

By the way, I would love to see that picture

PerryP

I tried to buy a 2011 Sonata Hybrid in my color choice and Premium pack. Even the Great Hyundai-in-the-Sky couldn’t find it.

We bought a Hyundai Sonata Hybrid about 2 weeks ago and we love it! When we started shopping we were not even looking at hybrids so we were amazed at the way it drove and the way it looked. We have owned a Hyundai Accent for 7 years with no problems and now we have moved up to the hybrid. Hyundai makes great cars!!!!

Patti

We purchased a 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid in May 2011. We were very pleased and impressed with the car until 12 days after purchase. The check engine light came on. We took it back to the dealer and they said the code read there was a small evap leak. No leaks were detected. Dealership cleared the code and 1 week later the light came back on. The dealership called Hyundai and replaced the HCG valve censor. 3 days after the part was replaced, the light came back on. We notified Hyundai ourselves and they made a case file.

The light never did stay off. Hyundai worked well with us and they bought the car back from us. The last we heard, it could possibly be a timing problem when the system is being checked.

We really liked the car. It was a big disappointment.

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jix

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jix

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nha khoa

I tried to buy a 2011 Sonata Hybrid in my color choice and Premium pack. Even the Great Hyundai-in-the-Sky couldn’t find it.

The video linked to above is so accurate its scary! It has now been over a month since we got our Sonata Hybrid back and so far so good. We have not taken it on a long drive yet since my wife and son refuse to drive any apreciable distance from home. The best we have done was to get lost and stuck in traffic for a couple of hours and we had no problems. I am guessing that the problem is fixed but the biggest thing I have learned from all of this is that Heritage Hyundai in Towson Maryland is by far the worst dealership I have ever “worked” with even though we got the car for a good $2500 below msrp. There was just a complete lack of any service or truthful dealings after the sale. I will gladly however drive 300 miles to Roanoke Virginia to buy my cars from First Team! They are the only reason I am not demanding that Hyundai buy the car back and I am giving it one more chance! One more time and that’s it though!

SteveB001

I bought the 2011 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid w/premium package a month ago.
I love the car and would still buy it if I had to do it all over again but have found that the MPG is tricky. I am finding out that in cooler weather (below 85 degrees), which is a cold front here in Austin, I get excellent gas mileage, 35/45 approximately. Otherwise, in the extreme heat I am getting 29/37 approximately.
Also, on the premium package, there is a MPG for every 2.5 minutes on the LCD screen which doesn’t seem to cooralate with the dash MPG reading.
Anyone else experiencing this?
Also, I am getting a creaking noise from the rear…I think it is the sunroof. I will be taking it into the dealership soon to get fixed.
I took it to the dealership recently because the engine light came on. I was told the ECM needed to be reprogrammed with new software which had to do with the evaporative system. I called hyundai corporate, opened up a case and was told the program will be available in a month.
Let me know if anyone else is having the same small issues.

Ken,
I was wondering how many miles you get on a full tank of gas. I am only getting about 400 which comes to about 24 miles per gallon

Steve Kim

There is no way you get 400 per tank.
I am getting almost 600 every single time.
Filling up around 550-580.
Overall I am getting around 38 MPG.
I would say about 60 percent highway and 40 percent city.
I love the space in the car and how smooth it drives.
I am in search for another one for my parents.

excursion0925

There is no way you get 400 per tank.
I am getting almost 600 every single time.
Filling up around 550-580.
Overall I am getting around 38 MPG.
I would say about 60 percent highway and 40 percent city.
I love the space in the car and how smooth it drives.
I am in search for another one for my parents.

Tyler West

Look at the specs for the new toyota camry hybrid. 43 mpg city/39 mpg highway, so better city numbers than the fusion and same highway as the sonata, giving it now best-in class mpg. Actually, its very close to the prius v, which is listed at 43/40.

Chad

When is the 2012 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid going to come out? It is November 10, 2011 as of this writing.

had my sonota for 6 mos.city driving sucks big time uses 12.5 liters per100 km reason we purchased was window sticker estimate5.5 liters per 100 km no help from dealer or hundi

dave mctavish

this is my wife,s car and dealerships think she doesnot know anything engine light came on every fill up must be gas cap she must not know how to make sure it,s in place right car shifts funny feels like stuck in low gear oh thats normal ha ha mileage for 65 litres or 14.5 imp. gal.has been370 to350 miles thats 25 miles per gal your not driving it properly this is a sonota hybird i have had 2 sonotas this new breed sucks dealership is useless in solving these problems same as huyndi they should stop making till they get them right

Minneapolis resident

I bought one of these in mid September and I love it. I commute about 60 miles per day and have put almost 6000 miles on the car since purchase. I’ve had no issues but the front bumper is really low it won’t fit over any curbs. Average about 37mpg and I spend a lot of time going 75mph into headwinds, very impressed so far.

Henryfong

Now have driven 3500 miles. Only problem is that the driver seat is frayed. New one on order. Hyundai gave me a $50 promotional credit card for filling out a survey and telling them of the problem. Absolutely no other problems.So its kool

ted johnson

With 30,000 miles on our 2010 Prius, LMPG actual measured at the pump is 56.5 . Combined highway and city. Most tanks average 40 mph, speed, summer mpg is always over 60. Have camped in it , carried lumber, moved a lot of furniture for friends. Looked at the Hyundai – but went Prius- more useful design with a hatchback.

Lisa

We bought our sonata hybrid in July 2011. All in all great car but fuel consumption not what it should be. We are getting in the city on avg. 8.4L and on the highway 7.5L. This is after complaining used to be higher. Hyundai said it would get better after broken in at 12000km and gave it a system upgrade but not much change at all. Our previous 2007 sonata got almost 1000km to a tank of gas on the highway.

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come on guys, the mpg thing they stated is for the tes, while in the real world, it always been different. .don’t be fooled with it.. i read an interesting article about it here 2012 Car Reviews Line . go check it out, maybe it will help you to understand

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The Hyundai Sonata is a comfortable and likable midsize sedan that proves Hyundai can build cars that are not just easy on the pocketbook, but easy to live with as well.

Lisa, I’m in the same situation. I bought my Sonata Hybrid in May 2011 from Hyundai Don Valley North. And I’ve had issues from the start (several sensor recalls, needed new breaks, needed a new gas gauge, etc.). But the most frustrating concern I’ve had is with its fuel mileage. I bought it because Hyundai claims it does on average, 4.9km/L. I’m getting on average 8.9km/L in the city and 7.5km/L on the highway. In fact, I have to fill up every 480km — below the 900 Hyundai advertizes. I’ve sent letters to both Hyundai Canada and the Ontario Government (Ministry of Energy) outlining my situation. Hyundai Canada claims that the car is working according to ‘specs’ (I guess the ones not advertized) and I’ve not heard back from the Ministry. What actions have you taken?

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i am lookig for information on how to get the best mileage for my fuel. if you have mastered your fuel in your sonata hybrib plz. educate me. thanks

jaypeedee

“We weren’t wrong, the Sonata Hybrid kicked butt. After its first three months on the market, the newbie established itself as the second best selling gas-electric in the United States, trailing only the indomitable Toyota Prius, a position it maintained through the end of 2011.”
Your own Hybrid Dashboard does not agree with this assessment.
The Sonata Hyb did not even beat out the Lexus CT 200h in sales from November thru January. It barely beat the Cam Hyb, which through November was still hawking the stagnant gen l model.
Many of us are not totaly taken in by Hyundai’s ‘edgy’ styling. If they are so confidant of those LiPo batteries why do they offer a lifetime replacement waranty?

mitchell

Just because the Prius and hybrid versions of the Camry, Fusion and Sonata are hybrids doesn’t mean it makes sense to compare them, especially in terms of mileage. Sure, the Fusion and Sonata come close to Camry Hybrid and Prius or even best them in MPG. But it’s important to note that the Prius and Camry use Nickel metal hydride batteries, whereas the ’13 Fusion and Sonata use Lithium batteries that packs much higher energy densities. So, the Li batteries contribute far more to propelling the vehicle than the Ni batteries, meaning the Sonata and Fusion need to use less gasoline than the Prius or Camry for comparable driving. So of course MPGs will be boosted for the Hyundai and Ford.
Sure, it’s great that the Hyundai and Ford get such high mileage. But it’s amazing that the ’12 Camry, still using older (and more reliable) technology, ekes out mileage that is basically equivalent to cars that use such energy-dense, powerful Lithium batteries.

Van

My view is that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries are like the lead character in the Sixth Sense, they are dead but do not know it.
The new Camry Hybrid bests the older competition, but this fall, the Ford Hybrid will again best the Camry, and not only will it sport a better battery, but also in my opinion better looks.

A new Sonata will be needed or it will be left on the dust bin of history.

usbseawolf2000

Camry hybrid has bigger trunk with NiMH battery. If you compare it to the non-hybrid version, the reduced size is less for NiMH than the Lithium battery packs in Sonata hybrid or Fusion Hybrid.

NiMH is not dead. It is a leader in term of cost, reliability and power that leads into sales for the hybrid application.

The upcoming Fusion hybrid looks promising. We’ll just have to see the price and the real-world MPG.

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Hybrid cars will bring much more convenient, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, electricity production is easier and more flexible in all conditions, most importantly, electricity prices cheaper than gasoline.

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You do realize that Li-Ion batteries suck, right? They are the same batteries that you have to replace every few years in your cell phone and laptop and lose their ability to retain a charge over time. And you hail this as some welcome advancement in automotive technology? After 4-5 years your precious Li-Ion hybrid batteries will lose 50% of their ability to hold a charge and you will lose 50% of your electric range. 7 or 8 years out and your hybrid car will have lost about 70% of it’s electric range and those batteries aren’t cheap to replace and aren’t sold at Autozone or Pep Boys so you are stuck paying high dealer prices and labor rates. Good luck with your crappy hybrid car when the big battery replacement bills come due, oh, and those big battery replacement bills are also going to murder your resale value because nobody is going to want to buy a used car with a $20,000 repair bill hanging over it. You’ll be lucky if you’d even be allowed to trade it in because the dealer won’t want to pay that bill before he can resell it, either. Have a nice day.

Carmela

Bought the Sonata Hybrid about a month ago. Very nice car, but the MPG is not as they advertise. I make no more than 29 miles per gallon, city and some freeway, and I am very unhappy about it.

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Carmela, keep driving. It takes about 5,000 miles for the car to break in and your mileage will increase. I had the same experience for about the first 4,000 miles in my 2011 HSH. I now have about 20,000 miles on it and I’m getting about 36 MPG on average, which I am quite pleased with.

Michael Cohan

Carmela, keep driving. It takes about 5,000 miles for the car to break in and your mileage will increase. I had the same experience for about the first 4,000 miles in my 2011 HSH. I now have about 20,000 miles on it and I’m getting about 36 MPG on average, which I am quite pleased with.

kingrexone

Had my Sonata Hybrid for six months now. City driving is at 34-35mpg. Main reason I chose Sonata over Prius is battery technology. Prius battery (Li-ion) have power train guarantee up to 70k miles and battery neds to be replaced to get the same mileage. Sonata’s power train guarantee till 100k miles and battery need not be replaced (Lithium polymer). Have heard this week that Hyundai wll have a lifetime guarantee on it’s Li-polymer battery. That made me more confident about my selection process (chosing Sonata over Toyota). The next reason is power. Sonata hybrid has the best in engine transition from gas to battery – I do not feel the transition at all. I have 8500 total miles on my car already and have not felt that awful engine transition youe feel with Prius. One extra i discovered – I can accelerate to 70mph and speed up faster than typical cars in the freeway and still get about 40mpg in freeway. It’s a very smooth driving, kid you not.

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Guess what Hyndai’s has a lifetime warranty on the hybrid battery. its not transferable so you have to buy a new model. I agree’d with you and would have never considered one, but now. I’m looking hard at buying one.
Proof: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/sonata-hybrid/

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Nope the pass through is still there and the trunk is still relatively large

Dante

Proud owner of a new 2012 Sonata Hybrid with all the option (panoramic roof). So far have not been to a gas station to fill get gas. Only been driven about 500 miles, with about 80 mile left on the tank since it left the showroom. I have to wait one week to get the car (pearl white) that i want. Went to another dealer to check, and they put a pricey mark up on the same car. The horsepower is ok, for 4 cylinder car., but that’s not the main reason i purchase the car. (currently I own a 2008 Corvette and 2005 Yukon Denali). Normally we travel to Southern California 4x a year from the
Bay Area and the cost of the gas really hurts my pocket, especially if driving the Denali. But with the Hybrid, hopefully no more 2 stops in I-5 to fill up the tank.

michel

I dream about a car like this, especially hybrid car. I hope some day I will have one

I have owned my Sonata hybrid for about a year and have put on almost 12,000 miles. I am fully satisfied with the car. It has performed well in terms of driving experience, comfort, economy and reliability. I have averaged over 42mpg in mixed driving, mostly within the Cleveland area.
What distinguishes the Sonata hybrid from other hybrid sedans is the roominess for driver and passengers. It is clearly the most roomy family hybrid sedan on the market. Every car has to compromise between efficiency and comfort – the American and Korean engineers who designed the Sonata hybrid have produced a car that enables the buyer to have the cake and also to eat a slice of the yummy chocolate cake that is the driving experience.

Hyundai has been responsible in updating the car with free computer tweaks that have resolved the transmission hesitancy at low speeds and any issues with excessive biing of the the brakes.

A recent experience with having to “gun it” to enter highway traffic from a stop showed that the car can immediately summon the gas and electric engines to quickly accelerate to highway speed.

In another experience, where I had to brake and swerve to avoid hitting a deer that bounded in front of the car, the car responded instantly with full control and strong ability to avoid the creature. A grandchild was in the car and I was glad to be in the Sonata hybrid and not our other car. I feel that I and my family are very safe in this car.

I appreciate that the car can accomodate my wife and I, a daughter and two grandchildren in car seats along with our luggage for family trips. I like the fact that our kids think that old man is cool because he got a hybrid.

Two observations – 1) the mpg drops by about 10% in the winter perhaps because the battery system is less efficient in cold weather and also because the rolling friction is higher in on snowy roads. 2) I have used 89 octane because I feel that the car has gotten a little better mileage. The mileage boost of about 10% from 38 to 42 mpg more than offsets the slightly higher price of 89 gas (about 10 cents per gallon).

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Jim Elefante

We recently purchased a 2012 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid for $29k (+/- $500 trade-in calc). The MSRP was $32,405 = base of $25,850 + Ultimate Pkg $5,500 + $280 in trinkets + $775 F&H. We live near Seattle and these cars with the Ultimate package are few and far between, while Hyundai’s distribution and allocation system leaves a lot to be desired. So if a local dealer can’t just order one from the factory, and if they are able to locate one at another dealer, then they have to trade for it. I’ve only been driving the car a little over a week and still love it even though I’m only getting a combined mileage of 33.5 when I thought it should be getting at least over 35 MPG given the type of commute I have. I’m hoping the first tank will see me closer to 550 than 500 miles, but the combined total seems to be going down every day. I would expect that the mileage would increase as time goes on, but it does get great mileage on the highway and on cruise control (like our older Toyota Highlander Hybrid) though not as efficient in hilly country. I also would have expected it to stay in EV mode more. I have experienced one bad “bucking” incident in a parking garage incline – a place where I would have expected a smooth EV ride – it was short, but very annoying. Overall the car just keeps on surprising us with all its well thought out features. We probably would have purchased a Chevy Volt ( a true “serial” hybrid), but in the final analysis it was too expensive and just a Chevy with very poor fit & finish.

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USE 89 OCTANE GAS, it’s good for 4-5 MPG!

PS – our final price on that Ultimate package was just $29k

Terry R

Did about same as Jim buying a 2012 with Ultimate package. I notice a little of the bucking though after 3 weeks expect it as the gas engine assists the EV. I only experience it when need alot of power. I have learned to take a more measured acceleration at stop lights etc and avoid the bucking.
I have had better luck with getting almost 41mpg right out of gate. I do notice that if I am will to drive versus use cruise control I can improve 1-2 mpg. I also found that 70 mph is kind of the tradeoff point for speed and 40 mpg. I commute 180 miles twice a week and found that at 75 I got 37-38 mpg in moderate hills and at 70 I get a solid 40 mpg. I have 2700 miles on and the mileage has stablized right at 40.5. Great innovative car and not at all bad on the highway.

Dalton

Lifetime replacement… it’s in the article…

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I walked to Mazda dealer next door and asked about MPV and they told me “We have great savings going on Mazda and we’ll take $2000 of MSRP on MPV.

We were so happy with the 2011 Sonata hybrid that we purchased a second hybrid a 2012 Sonata hybrid – both from Chuck Ardary at Rick Case Hyundai in Bedford OH. The dealership was very accomodating to a special needs person. The new car has the leather package that includes heated front and back seats. If you are planning to buy in the Cleveland, OH region, I highly recommend this dealer and salesperson.

The reasons for buying a second Sonata hybrid are: 1) the rides is exceeding smooth and quiet (including braking and gear shifts). The car easily fits 3 adults and two children in car seats. The smooth ride enables the grandchildren to drift off to sleep and stay asleep. We arrive in a rested calm state at the end of a days drive. 2) The electronic features are excellent including the Bluetooth and electronic proximity detector/ignition system. The factory Bluetooth in the 2012 car is the best that I have seen. 3) the cargo of children and grandchildren are very precious and I feel that the Sonata hybrids are very safe cars. 4) the warranties are the best available. 5) The car is fun to drive and 6) the cars look great.

In late 2011 Popular Machanic magazine Hyundai Advertising on Why is this First Hybrid? The ad message is trying to explain why in 2011 Hyundai first produced their first hybrid.
I think it is insulting the intelligence of consumer that Hyudai
waited this long to produce their hybrid car. It is more believable to say Hyundai took this long to reverse engineering of the hybrid technology from Toyota /Honda and as a new twist added the better (still questionable lithium polimer battery technology). Another words they just didn’t have the technology! There is really nothing new that Hyundai’s own developement in their car but slick exterior styling but with inferior Korean lower tensil steel being used throughout the car. Everything looks the same but inferior quality and structural strength. Any new technology the manufacture must prove and earn the reputation they get. Hyundai used to make highly questionable quality cars less than 10 years ago. If they can keep improving for next 20 more years I will consider giving Hyundai cars some respect. The jury is still out on the quality and the merit of Hyundai quality eventhough many ignorant consumers are buying Hyundai cars just by lower price and slick styling (by non-Korean car designers Hyundai hired).

BMW just made a deal (6/25/20112) with Toyota to use Toyota hybrid technology on BMW cars. BMW is saying that Toyota technology is good enough for BMW. BMW I can belive in what they claim and do but Hyundai? They are many decades away of having BMW ‘s high reputation!

mbuckingham

Just bought the 2012 Sonata hybrid. Great car, though wish it was a bit smoother in the beginning at low speeds.

My major complaint is after my first week with the car the gas mileage is AWFUL:

14.9 gallons
344 miles
Avg speed: 20
Eco: 5

That’s 23 MPG!

Pretty good mix of city and highway, I’m in ATL so their are some hilly areas but come on!

I’m going to talk to the dealer and find out what gives.

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I wanted to update following my post of about 1 year ago. Since then we purchased a second Sonata Hybrid (2012) so that my wife and I did not need to compete for the car. The 2012 has a few changes from the the 2011 model – 1) we got the leather package, that was not available for 2011, 2) the computer updates that evolved during the early times for the Sonata Hybrid were present from the start with the 2012 model, so the low speed hesitancy that resolved with the first 2 updates was never present, 3) the Bluetooth is a bit better for the 2012 modeland 4) the hybrid system has a first owner lifetime warranty. We use the cars for commuting and transporting family. The Sonata hybrid is a great family car – comfortable and quiet. The grandchildren can sleep easily and the car easily holds 5 folks including combinations with children in car seats. One daughter has a Prius, but that car is not used for transporting family because it is a bit tight. The Sonata hybrid handles well, with excellent acceleration and sure braking. The mileage when I drove was about 42+mpg (posted in fueleconomy.gov for an OH driver). My wife does not attend to hybrid driving such as diligent use of “cruise control”. She gets 37-38 mpg for city commuting – about what is expected. We are both very happy with the Sonata hybrids and would get them for other family members.

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We drove both the Elantra and the Sonata hybrid and went with the Sonata. Why? Drive both and you’ll understand. The Elantra drives like a much smaller car and doesn’t have the room that the Sonata does. The Sonata drove so much smoother, quieter, etc.

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You said: “I have owned my Sonata hybrid for about a year and have put on almost 12,000 miles. I am fully satisfied with the car. It has performed well in terms of driving experience, comfort, economy and reliability. I have averaged over 42mpg in mixed driving, mostly within the Cleveland area.
What distinguishes the Sonata hybrid from other hybrid sedans is the roominess for driver and passengers. It is clearly the most roomy family hybrid sedan on the market. Every car has to compromise between efficiency and comfort – the American and Korean engineers who designed the Sonata hybrid have produced a car that enables the buyer to have the cake and also to eat a slice of the yummy chocolate cake that is the driving experience.”

Well, you must have forgot about the Toyota Camry Hybrid! It will blow the doors of your Sonata, (It reportedly will do 0-60 in 7.2 secs), has much more room, is much quieter, much more smooth, and gets better gas mileage! I drove the regular Sonata and wasn’t nearly as impressed as the Camry Hybrid. The Camry has tons more room in the front and the back, IMO. And the CVT transmission is perfectly smooth, with no indication of the gas motor coming on. I don’t know about the Sonata Hybrid but the regular Sonata vibrated and the wind and road noise was much worse than the Camry. Add on to that that the Camry is made in Kentucky with American labor, and gets 43 city/39 highway, it was a nobrainer for me. Try a Camry Hybrid, you will be impressed!

Anonymous

You said: “You do realize that Li-Ion batteries suck, right? They are the same batteries that you have to replace every few years in your cell phone and laptop and lose their ability to retain a charge over time. And you hail this as some welcome advancement in automotive technology? After 4-5 years your precious Li-Ion hybrid batteries will lose 50% of their ability to hold a charge and you will lose 50% of your electric range. 7 or 8 years out and your hybrid car will have lost about 70% of it’s electric range and those batteries aren’t cheap to replace and aren’t sold at Autozone or Pep Boys so you are stuck paying high dealer prices and labor rates. Good luck with your crappy hybrid car when the big battery replacement bills come due, oh, and those big battery replacement bills are also going to murder your resale value because nobody is going to want to buy a used car with a $20,000 repair bill hanging over it. You’ll be lucky if you’d even be allowed to trade it in because the dealer won’t want to pay that bill before he can resell it, either. Have a nice day.”

Dude, you are SO full of crap! Most hybrid batteries last 8 to 10 years, and very few have had to be replaced before that time historically. And the batteries are coming down in price all the time.

Here’s what one webiste said:

“In short, yes, it is expensive to replace hybrid batteries—it can cost in the neighborhood of $3,000 for a full hybrid battery replacement. But on the other hand, hybrid batteries have proven themselves to be extremely reliable. And as long as they are not abused and the vehicle charging control system operates effectively, they can be–not unrealistically—expected to last for nearly the life of the vehicle.

Manufacturers are providing generous battery warranties (generally about 8-10 years and 80,000 to 100,000 miles), but as with most warranted components, they are designed to last well beyond the coverage period. It would not be unreasonable to expect the life of a battery pack to exceed 150,000 miles.

Something to keep in mind: as more hybrids take to the roads, reclaimed batteries from out-of-service (wrecked) cars will become more available at steep discounts.”

Anonymous

You said: “You do realize that Li-Ion batteries suck, right? They are the same batteries that you have to replace every few years in your cell phone and laptop and lose their ability to retain a charge over time. And you hail this as some welcome advancement in automotive technology? After 4-5 years your precious Li-Ion hybrid batteries will lose 50% of their ability to hold a charge and you will lose 50% of your electric range. 7 or 8 years out and your hybrid car will have lost about 70% of it’s electric range and those batteries aren’t cheap to replace and aren’t sold at Autozone or Pep Boys so you are stuck paying high dealer prices and labor rates. Good luck with your crappy hybrid car when the big battery replacement bills come due, oh, and those big battery replacement bills are also going to murder your resale value because nobody is going to want to buy a used car with a $20,000 repair bill hanging over it. You’ll be lucky if you’d even be allowed to trade it in because the dealer won’t want to pay that bill before he can resell it, either. Have a nice day.”

Dude, you are SO full of crap! Most hybrid batteries last 8 to 10 years, and very few have had to be replaced before that time historically. And the batteries are coming down in price all the time.

Here’s what one webiste said:

“In short, yes, it is expensive to replace hybrid batteries—it can cost in the neighborhood of $3,000 for a full hybrid battery replacement. But on the other hand, hybrid batteries have proven themselves to be extremely reliable. And as long as they are not abused and the vehicle charging control system operates effectively, they can be–not unrealistically—expected to last for nearly the life of the vehicle.

Manufacturers are providing generous battery warranties (generally about 8-10 years and 80,000 to 100,000 miles), but as with most warranted components, they are designed to last well beyond the coverage period. It would not be unreasonable to expect the life of a battery pack to exceed 150,000 miles.

Something to keep in mind: as more hybrids take to the roads, reclaimed batteries from out-of-service (wrecked) cars will become more available at steep discounts.”

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I getting better gas mileage than the EPA estimates – my average is 42+ mpg (determined by dividing the miles driven by the measured gas consumed between fill-ups) overall for the 2011 and 2012 Sonata hybrids. On a recent trip in which I had to get to the Cleveland Airport quickly, I set the cruise control at 75 mph and for a trip of a about 27 miles obtained an mpg rating of 42.5 mpg. Several times the car would switch into EV mode for distances of a several miles. I think that the most important habit for getting the best mileage from this sedan is to have the car operate under cruise control as much as possible – city as well as highway. Using cruise control seems to maximize the amount of time that the car spends in EV mode. Using cruise control does not prevent you from “hitting the gas” when you need to accelerate quickly to pass a car or avoid a collision.

In response to the comments by anonymous – The Toyota Camry hybrid is a nice car. An in-law has one and we compared notes. The Camry clearly gets better city gas mileage, but the highway mileage is better for the Sonata – so which gets better mileage depends upon where and how one dirves. The front seat room for the driver and passenger are better in the Sonata, the rear seat room in the Camry is better – again which is better depends upon your needs. I like the interior of the Sonata better, but that is my preference. I suggest and I suspect that my anonymous friend would agree that one should drive and compare the cars and make decisions for oneself. Toyota has started making the Camry hybrid in the US and my understanding is that Hyundai has started to make the Sonata hybrid in the US – strong positive marks for both manufacturers as this move provides more job opportunities for US workers. The one area where the Sonata is clearly better is its warranty. Overall, I feel that both are good cars and that a perspective buyer needs pick the car that best suits his or her needs.

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Can any tell me why a plug in feature can not be added to today’s hybrids so when you start up every morning you have a full charge and not having to wait for the regenerating breaking system to charge the battery? Don’t get me wrong, I have only had my 2012 Sonata Hybrid for 3 weeks, but so far i am getting on average 39 mpg and love the feel that is have power to spare.

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How does this hybrid works hard winter, when the cold is -0 – 15 F?

What about batteries last standing, if the car is running only 6 months to a year?

Is it enough heat inside the car during the winter?

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