religionordersus to do. >> rose: so the united states government and egyptian government are friends, not enemies? >> ( translated ): we are not enemies, of course. >> rose: you're our friends? >> ( translated ): for sure we are friends. >> rose: allies? >> the u.s. president said otherwise. >> rose: i know he did. but i'm asking the egyptian president. do you consider the united states an ally? >> ( translated ): this is depending on the definition of an ally. we have a real partnership in the interest and we want to achieve the interest of the world and to participate in many issues-- diplomatic, political, economical-- exchange of expertise in several areas. so the understanding of an ally as a part of a military alliance this is not existing right now. but if you mean by ally, partner and special diplomatic relationship and cooperation we are that ally. >> rose: president morsi for the hour. next. gb >> tonight a special edition of charlie rose. >> rose: mohamed morsi won an historic election this june to become the fifth president of egypt. he is the first civilian to hold this title

build the alternative solution and it's not easy because you havedifferentreligions, differenthistories, you have the people who were outside -- >> what if there's a stalemate and the killing continues and continues and continues. >> first it means that the rules of the security council-- when you have two countries, great yis, russia and china-- saying no, and the fact that there is a continuous killing the public tensions, you, everybody says no, it doesn't make sense. i was saying this afternoon to the security council. we are the security council of the united nations. we are not the wall counsel of not united nations. we have to fulfill our roam to implement a role but today we do not. but if this massacre continues, i think, first, it will have terrible effects on the region, and maybe-- well, our principle, as i was saying, is to comply with the international legal rules. the time comes where the human pressure is too strong, and maybe the time is coming. >> rose: in other words, there may be a time you have to act even though you cannot get security council approval. >

more than 200 years, that in order to preserve freedom and liberty, including the freedomofreligion, youhave to allow people to say and do things that you find abhor ant. and you can't react every time you are insulted. i means that's the first thing we all have to teach our children. and i don't mean to compare the people rioting against news cairo and anywhere else to children, that's not the point. the point is if you live in a shame-based society where you think nothing good is going to happen, the temptation is to wait for somebody to say something you find offensive and you can lash out against it. but free people, mandela, absorb destructive things and refuse to be destroyed. there's a child here, i mean not a child, a young woman, i don't know if you have seen here. the disabled chinese lady, you have seen her, right. >> rose: yes. >> i went to her village, i was in her home, in 1998 as president. its with a great honor, right, not for her. her parents were required to take her upstairs and hide her, leave her on the bed upstairs because they live in a culture that thought

people to communicate even if they don't speak the same language, they havedifferentreligions. >>rose: so when you left la scala, why did you leave? >> as i said, i was in la is a la for 19 years, scala for 19 years, even longer than -- >> and my relationship with the orchestra and the chorus has always been for 19 years perfect. then when i had a fight with the administration, let's say, because i don't want to indicate this or that person, and everything became political, and in italy, when something becomes political, and the controversial, politically speaking, then the only thing that you can do is to leave. but 19 years are a part of my best years in my musical career, so i said, you know,, to explain exactly details of what happened is impossible, and the newspapers generally made a mess of the entire story, because they didn't know exactly the details. they thought that the orchestra was against me, but this is not true. >> rose: not true. >> absolutely not true. i never had a fight with an orchestra in my life. but there were reasons outside of the artistic field tha

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