I highly recommend obedience school. Owners need it more than dogs, as it will teach you HOW to train your dog, with no hitting or yelling (which obviously are NOT working anyway.)

You say you have her SIT - she sits for 30 seconds then takes off. She couldn't do this if she were on leash. Something dogs catch onto instantly is when you cannot or will not enforce a command.

Don't do what I see people doing all the time - "Sit, Spot....Sit sit sit...I said SIT DOWN!" The dog learns he doesn't have to listen until the command has repeated 30 times. Use a command once, give her 3 seconds to comply, then help her do what you asked. Naturally, you only do this once you are sure she understands the command.

My dog was a little headstrong and stubborn too, until she learned that she may as well obey the first time, because she was going to have to do what she was told in the end.

pLaurent wrote:Don't do what I see people doing all the time - "Sit, Spot....Sit sit sit...I said SIT DOWN!" The dog learns he doesn't have to listen until the command has repeated 30 times. Use a command once, give her 3 seconds to comply, then help her do what you asked. Naturally, you only do this once you are sure she understands the command.

Michelle

Inside me is a thin woman trying to get out. I usually shut the bitch up with a martini.

should i go with the nine lessons? i think she might need more than six.

she is getting better, though. last night after i cleaned her room she went right in and layed down. so of course, i praised her alot! i sat in there with her for about 20 min rubbing her belly. she loves her belly rubbed now cause the pup has scratched the shiny out of her boobies! it looks like cat scratches all over them! is there something i can put on them?

the obedience guy told me i needed to bring a 6 ft leash and a training collar. so, i said i had a prong and he said NO! he said i had to get a choker collar. i know how you guys feel about chokers so i was looking for any input before i start classes with him on monday. thanks

They are hard to use correctly, they only work in one direction, and they choke your dog because there is no limit on the amount the collar can tighten.

they are NOT SAFE, especially for a hyper dog. When the dog is on the wrong side of you or behind you the chain will not release correctly because it gets caught on the ring. so when you give a correction the collar releases pressure much too slowly.

if you must get a choke, get a nylon one because they slide much easier. if it must be metal, get the absolute smallest links you can find that are strong enough for your dog.

if you want to be defiant, get a martingale. Remember, you are the customer here. If you don't want to use a choke don't use one. A martingale delivers a correction that is similar to a choke, but without the damage that a choke can do.

Michelle

Inside me is a thin woman trying to get out. I usually shut the bitch up with a martini.

They are hard to use correctly, they only work in one direction, and they choke your dog because there is no limit on the amount the collar can tighten.

they are NOT SAFE, especially for a hyper dog. When the dog is on the wrong side of you or behind you the chain will not release correctly because it gets caught on the ring. so when you give a correction the collar releases pressure much too slowly.

if you must get a choke, get a nylon one because they slide much easier. if it must be metal, get the absolute smallest links you can find that are strong enough for your dog.

if you want to be defiant, get a martingale. Remember, you are the customer here. If you don't want to use a choke don't use one. A martingale delivers a correction that is similar to a choke, but without the damage that a choke can do.

I agree . . .

I went to a training class that used prong collars---on every dog . . . period. I refused. Went over like a lead balloon, but who cares. It's my dog, I was paying for the training, and I don't like them. Once I refused, other people got the courage to refuse, too. It's amazing how many people will just do what their told, even if it goes against their gut instincts.

I went to a training session like that as well. The trainer had her rat terrier puppy at the class WITH A PRONG COLLAR ON!! I put Justice back in the car & left after about 5 minutes of observing the class. Justice does need a prong ( she is a hard headed pulling machine!!) but I do not understand what makes a 3 pound dog need one.

There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.

cheekymunkee wrote:I went to a training session like that as well. The trainer had her rat terrier puppy at the class WITH A PRONG COLLAR ON!! I put Justice back in the car & left after about 5 minutes of observing the class. Justice does need a prong ( she is a hard headed pulling machine!!) but I do not understand what makes a 3 pound dog need one.

Right, I don't like them at all, but I understand it's a tool, and different people find different tools helpful---BUT, slapping one on every dog in class after the second week of training?? Yeah, right . . . how 'bout the trainer get some training.

My parents own three rat terriers and they don't even wear collars, . . .

I just don't think it should be a given that a dog needs to be trained on a prong---many, many dogs don't, and a prong on a Rat is just ridiculous. All three of my parents Rat Terriers are beautifully trained, done so strictly through positive reinforcement.

a-bull wrote:I just don't think it should be a given that a dog needs to be trained on a prong---many, many dogs don't, and a prong on a Rat is just ridiculous. All three of my parents Rat Terriers are beautifully trained, done so strictly through positive reinforcement.

No, not every dog needs a prong. There are many different training methods out there and there is no right answer as to 'how' to train. A prong on any breed is not 'rediculous', a prong on a puppy IS.

Some dogs work great under positive only, some dogs couldn't care less if they don't get that treat.

Michelle

Inside me is a thin woman trying to get out. I usually shut the bitch up with a martini.

I'm just not a prong fan, that's all there is to it. Just my opinion, obviously, and like I've said, I know some people prefer them and find them useful.

One of my dogs isn't treat oriented and is extremely stubborn, but she has been successfully trained with strictly positive reinforcement. I'd say it probably took alot longer, and I understand trainers have a limited time to "train" people's dogs in a group setting, so time isn't on their side and thus probably the reason many trainers prefer such tools.

I don't have a problem with negative/compulsion training on dogs that are in a dire situation and have a behavior that needs to be fixed fast or else, but generally I much prefer the positive.

I have no problem with positive only, none at all. And most people are good with a mix of training methods. My 'beef' is when the hardcore positive only people show up and tell everyone who uses any compulsion is a horrible neandrathal who is too lazy to 'really' train their dog.

Personally, I use motivation to teach and compulsion to proof.

Michelle

Inside me is a thin woman trying to get out. I usually shut the bitch up with a martini.