As to what good it does to report this publicly: it discourages others from adopting similar positions, or at least it makes it clear that abusing such a position of authority, especially over children, is not something society will tolerate.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name

How is his name being sullied by reporting on this? He already chose to sully his own name, this is the natural consequence of that.

Just stop being obtuse or dishonest and admit you don't think racists ever should be held publicly accountable for their contemptible views and treatment of other people. Way to ignore that this kid's probably been unfairly suffering for years being subject to this asshole's authority too.

He was held accountable. He was fired. You seem to want him tarred and feathered. What good does that do?

It makes quite clear how the community feels about racist teachers, if nothing else, and that's good enough for me.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Maybe bully isn't the best word. Stifling unpopular views might be a better way to put it.

You think people want to stifle bigotry solely because it's becoming unpopular now? You don't think the rest of the world just hasn't realized that those views were always wrong and finally growing the spine to act against them? You really think basic farking human rights are things to be decided by poll and referendum?

Mid_mo_mad_man:So bullying people into the "correct " point of view is good?

You seem to have a completely self-generated definition of the word "bully" than the rest of the English speaking world. You're also glossing over the fact that what this teacher did to this kid- discourage him from pursuing his dreams- is utterly wrong and inappropriate, and at odds with the purpose of being a teacher.

Do you have proof that he failed black kids more then whites?

Not directly no, but this does make it a good idea to look into his grading practices. Anyway this might be because this is a Fark thread and your fingers are flying faster than you care to proofread your own posts, but it looks like in addition to failing to teach you critical thinking your own teachers failed to teach you how to "then" and "than".

Or unfairly punished them? If not then he didn't abuse his power.

Telling the kid essentially "stay out of politics kid" is pretty inappropriate conduct even if he didn't trump something up to send the kid to detention etc. And you say you're not being a complete apologist here.

Maybe you should really rethink what your position is instead of doing this kneejerk bullshiat, you're making a fool of yourself here.

Mid_mo_mad_man:If he struck a kid or was sexually inappropriate I'm ok with it. For saying something mildly racist no. For that matter why even fire this late in the year? Don't renew his contract for next year.

So racists don't have to account for their hatred in public according to you, got it.

Dude, wtf is wrong with you? Teachers are de facto authority figures and extensions of the government to children, even in private schools. Having such an asshole on the payrole is a massive deal.

You know what's funny about this guy? He's a public school teacher and all, getting paid on the public's funds and all, completely ineffective at his job. Yet even though he's the one example that conservatives could use in denigrating public school teachers, they'll defend him anyway - because racists are their "cause célèbre". Seriously, over the last decade or so, whenever some famous white guy/woman has a "racial faux pas", conservatives will defend them to the death and insist that some black guy two cubes from theirs is the "most racistist guy that ever racistsed". Hell, look on Fark for these threads - Imus, Kramer, Paula D., the Duck guys, to name a few. Guarantee you the next white guy to slip up and say the n-word or something will have a group of sycophant lemmings kissing his ass, while before wouldn't even know him from Adam.

Yeah I'm sure there's been some liberal that said some racist things before, I don't doubt it, but at least I don't defend them because they may agree with me on politics. Or I don't defend some random black actor/entertainer who farked up with a "Secret Black Man Power Fist" saying "Keep strong my Nubian brother".

Mid_mo_mad_man:Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.

Because a teacher's misconduct can't unfairly affect a kid's academic record, which affects his chances of getting into college which would be useful in starting a career. You fail. Just, stop posting. You're just spouting easily shot down idiocy. And be honest about your support of racism and the slow witted inbreeders who think it's an awesome thing to treat people like crap because of the color of their skin and then covering the whole thing up publicly.

If your going to lecture about racism you might want to drop the name calling. I never once said what he did was ok. I never defended him. I did call out the school board for airing out his dirty laundry.

The school board aren't reporting on this, journalists are. And this is exactly the type of story that is news. This isn't a private matter when a public school teacher does shiat like this, it's public.

You seem ready to cover up misconduct of public employees, how else should I interpret your posts? You aren't doing a thing to explain why exposing the very inappropriate thing he voluntarily did is somehow wrong.

If nothing else, covering this up just enables him to get another teaching job somewhere else. It's not like the school district is allowed to tell other districts they canned this dick's ass for being a dickhead who couldn't keep his bigotry and/or politics out of a kids' classroom.

RyogaM:The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom. It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Why does it matter? He's fired and won't be an educator again. No need to sully his name

How is his name being sullied by reporting on this? He already chose to sully his own name, this is the natural consequence of that.

Just stop being obtuse or dishonest and admit you don't think racists ever should be held publicly accountable for their contemptible views and treatment of other people. Way to ignore that this kid's probably been unfairly suffering for years being subject to this asshole's authority too.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Crotchrocket Slim: Mid_mo_mad_man: If he struck a kid or was sexually inappropriate I'm ok with it. For saying something mildly racist no. For that matter why even fire this late in the year? Don't renew his contract for next year.

So racists don't have to account for their hatred in public according to you, got it.

Dude, wtf is wrong with you? Teachers are de facto authority figures and extensions of the government to children, even in private schools. Having such an asshole on the payrole is a massive deal.

Firing him is holding him accountable. Dragging his name thru the mud is just being petty.

OK you're a public racist apologist, got it. How is this dragging his name in the mud? He made a terribly inappropriate, pretty bigoted comment while acting as an authority figure to children. That is one of the most newsworthy things there is. How is reporting on this petty? You keep not bothering to argue why, especially when you agree that reporting on pedophile teachers is A-OKAY. You don't think racist teachers have ruined at least as many lives as pedos? The distinctions you're making here are incredibly arbitrary. You really think this guy should be able to get another teaching job somewhere else? Do you think he was ever someone who has any business teaching children?

The district screwed up in hiring him and keeping him after the previous incidents, and they finally put this right. If nothing else they deserve some vindication for doing right, albeit after the fact.

The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom. It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

Mid_mo_mad_man:If this kid life is ruined then it wasn't much of one to begin with. Toughen up and move on kid. He expressed an unpopular opinion. They fired him and it's over. You seem to think a lynching by the press is ok. It's not. People screw up. There's no need to piie on him.

Because a teacher's misconduct can't unfairly affect a kid's academic record, which affects his chances of getting into college which would be useful in starting a career. You fail. Just, stop posting. You're just spouting easily shot down idiocy. And be honest about your support of racism and the slow witted inbreeders who think it's an awesome thing to treat people like crap because of the color of their skin and then covering the whole thing up publicly.

Mid_mo_mad_man:log_jammin: Mid_mo_mad_man: Why even report on it? A guy. said something offensive and was fired. I hardly see that as a newsworthy event.

why not report on it?

a reporter wrote a story that said a guy said something offensive and was fired. you know that's what happened, and the parents of students in that school, and members of the community also know that is what happened because a reporter "made a fuss" by writing that article. had he not, I'm sure plenty of rumors would have filled thevacuum around the school and the community instead.

reporters look for stories. he found one. one that was apparently interesting enough to make you read it.

The only reason it's being reported on is the race baiting angle. I'm pretty sure they don't run a story every time someone is fired.

This isn't "race baiting" you simpleton, the fact a school board hired this imbecile who has had other (less obviously racist) incidents and has finally fired him is in fact news. Sorry you don't like the abhorrent behavior of Conservatives not being secret to the public anymore.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Why even report on it? A guy. said something offensive and was fired. I hardly see that as a newsworthy event.

why not report on it?

a reporter wrote a story that said a guy said something offensive and was fired. you know that's what happened, and the parents of students in that school, and members of the community also know that is what happened because a reporter "made a fuss" by writing that article. had he not, I'm sure plenty of rumors would have filled thevacuum around the school and the community instead.

reporters look for stories. he found one. one that was apparently interesting enough to make you read it.

you are a puppet:COMALite J: you are a puppet: Smackledorfer: Flappyhead: CorporatePerson: I hope he's one of those "Obama is forcing white people to become racist" types of racists. Those are my favorite.

But don't you call them racist, because that's racist. Derper logic can be ever so much fun.

Well, I was informed in a different thread today that there is no racism, even in the justice system. Blacks just commit crimes at a staggeringly high level, which is why the cops have to focus on them. I was the real racist for suggesting racism was even a thing. Also white people are the true victims of racism because some of them have hardships too, so any affirmative action is the worst thing ever.

At least I won't have to hear my coworkers complain about the lack of a white history month until february.

Was it the same thread where it was revealed that SPLC is worse than Stormfront because they don't classify Al Sharpton as a hate group?Which thread?

Mid_mo_mad_man:Why is this news? Fire him and move on. No need to make a fuss over it.

Let's flip it around and see if your logic holds up.

Libbie McLiberal, a public school teacher at Karl Marx Junior High School, tells a Christian student that we don't need another Christian Commander in Chief. Do you think Fox News would share your view that there's no need to make a fuss over it? I'm guessing no.

Wanted to thank everyone for a great thread! It's been years since I've seen anyone lose a thread so thoroughly. :)

Mid_mo_mad_man's comments here should be saved for use in a "Logical Fallacies" textbook. I caught:Argument from ignoranceArgument from repititionad hominemBegging the questionFallacy of divisionFalse attributionHedgingReversed cause and effectStrawman arguments

and, following tradition, he "doubled-down" rather than backing off when it became obvious he'd lost.

Yah, Spike Lee is not a "prevailing theory", he's a Hollywood movie maker, and anyway - he was taliking about institutionalized racism.And that discussion is not about whether people are bigoted, or hostile to one another, or racist. It's about who is in a position to do something about it.I didn't hear Lee say that black people can't be bigoted towards whites - he merely pointed out that they are in a position to do precious little about it.So - still waiting.

THIS and more of this. It's one thing for some random black person to call a white person a "cracker"... all that might result in is hurt feeling if the white person even knows what the insult means. Boo-farking-hoo.

Institutionalized racism is a whole different thing, and since white people still run things in this country this puts them in a position to enforce that type of racism. Denying someone a job, a mortgage, a place to live, a scholarship, a loan, police harassment, arrest and incarceration, all parts of institutionalized racism and things that black people just don't have the power or influence to visit upon whites.

So when I can roundfile a white person's resume or not call them back because that resume has a "white sounding" name, when I can deny their application to rent in my apartment complex, when I can turn them down for a loan or jack their interest rate up a few points - all because they are white - then we can talk honestly about black people being "bigots" or "racists".

Calling someone a name is just air and sound. Denying someone an opportunity is what counts.

He was fired because the latest incident was just one of a long string of well-documented similar incidents and complaints going back more than six years. So it's not like it was just one student that had it out for him or something.

I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mmmkay?

BTW, if you're trolling, 8/10. Not bad.

No, I'm not mocking a horrible crime of the past. I'm sure you heard others refer to a lynching by the press thou.

And using the term "lynching" in response to the press covering this just proves you're an asshole anda racially insensitive, historically ignorant idiot

Smackledorfer:Well, I was informed in a different thread today that there is no racism, even in the justice system. Blacks just commit crimes at a staggeringly high level, which is why the cops have to focus on them. I was the real racist for suggesting racism was even a thing. Also white people are the true victims of racism because some of them have hardships too, so any affirmative action is the worst thing ever.

At least I won't have to hear my coworkers complain about the lack of a white history month until february.

The issue of "why blacks are incarcerated more than whites" is such a massive complex issue with a lot of different facets.

1) Due to hundreds of years of political, social and economic repression, blacks happen to be over-represented in poverty. Not only does poverty put people in situations where crime seems attractive, but also our justice is "pay-to-win."

2) Poor areas have less educational resources plus it's hard to do your homework when you're hungry plus it's hard to do your homework when you are worried about the gang-bangers on the corner. It's really a terrible cycle of crime and poverty.

3) There is a prejudice against blacks in law-enforcement. And in most people (not Fark) there is a positive bias toward law enforcement. So if there is a non-racist person on a jury, and a cop gets on the stand most people trust the cop and give the cop the benefit of the doubt. Media also gives cops the benefit of the doubt. So a situation with institutionalized racism in law-enforcement causes assessments made on racist grounds to be widely accepted.

4) Slavery as an institution destroyed and broke up families, and this has left an impression on black culture in America. In cultures where there is a huge importance on extended families, you get the benefit of when some random cousin in the family risks homelessness or extreme poverty or has a drug problem, he can generally rely on the extended family for help and support. I think slavery broke this mechanism in American black culture, and it hasn't yet recovered.

5) Affirmative action addresses some of the results of the above, but it doesn't address the core problems. If you really want to end racism in this country, you have to also end poverty and fix the economic bias of the justice system, and deeply change how law enforcement operates. And then we have to wait about two generations. But this is "third rail" for a lot of politicians.

In 2012, Voigt was accused of calling a student stupid and implying that he and some of his classmates were gay.In that incident, Voigt denied making any insulting comments to students and told school officials that a group of students in his class were colluding against him.

I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mmmkay?

BTW, if you're trolling, 8/10. Not bad.

Oh yeah, and comparing an authority figure's non-violent public accounting for racist remarks to one of his black charges to, in particular, a lynching is blindingly offensive. And stupid.

I'm not sure if you're truly evil, truly this colossally stupid, or trolling masterfully. I'm aware that the categories aren't mutually exclusive. But surely one motive or the other predominantly governs your remarks.

Publicly and non-violently holding an authority figure to account after reasonable process has determined he engaged in wrongdoing ~= secretly (at least out of the eyes of legitimate authorities) and violently murdering a black person after social gossip or other malice has determined he committed a crime.

Mid_mo_mad_man:Crotchrocket Slim: RyogaM: The school board, by allowing people know exactly why this idiot was fired, is doing so to educate their remaining teachers on what is expected and proper behavior in the classroom. It actually protects racists/sexist/homophobic/idiotic teachers by telling them you are free to remain on the payroll, if you keep your trap shut about your idiocy.

I'm waiting for the first uneducated simpleton to try to spin this as a free speech issue.

Why the label? He has a point.

....

I'm agreeing with RyogaM. This being Fark I'm sure someone will try to spin this as the guy being fired for his political beliefs and not for inappropriately injecting them into his job performance.

Also kinda bored with having the same exact convo I've had on Fark regarding the media publicly reporting when someone loses their job under these sort of circumstances or when the free market objects to someone being given a position of authority who has abhorrent "principles".

Highly unprofessional of this douchebag. A good teacher keeps their politics out of the classroom whenever they can, its not the place for it. Same with their personal opinions. Obviously, this doesn't always apply to college, especially depending on the course the professor is teaching. But K-12, keep your opinions and politics to yourself. I also realize that some bias is going to creep into a teacher's lesson, but a good teacher realizes this and works to avoid it.

Yah, Spike Lee is not a "prevailing theory", he's a Hollywood movie maker, and anyway - he was taliking about institutionalized racism.And that discussion is not about whether people are bigoted, or hostile to one another, or racist. It's about who is in a position to do something about it.I didn't hear Lee say that black people can't be bigoted towards whites - he merely pointed out that they are in a position to do precious little about it.So - still waiting.

FloridaFarkTag:Gyrfalcon: you are a puppet: COMALite J: you are a puppet: Smackledorfer: Flappyhead: CorporatePerson: I hope he's one of those "Obama is forcing white people to become racist" types of racists. Those are my favorite.

But don't you call them racist, because that's racist. Derper logic can be ever so much fun.

Well, I was informed in a different thread today that there is no racism, even in the justice system. Blacks just commit crimes at a staggeringly high level, which is why the cops have to focus on them. I was the real racist for suggesting racism was even a thing. Also white people are the true victims of racism because some of them have hardships too, so any affirmative action is the worst thing ever.

At least I won't have to hear my coworkers complain about the lack of a white history month until february.

Was it the same thread where it was revealed that SPLC is worse than Stormfront because they don't classify Al Sharpton as a hate group?Which thread?

It was good for rooting out closet Stormfronters, though. Like shining an ultraviolet light across a barren desert and making the scorpions glow.

Looks like all the White Guilt folks have chimed in

Since you have hijacked the thread with my post....Al Sharpton is a racist....whether he is still fat and jheri curled, or not..

Oh, and this Ohio teacher deserved to be fired... he has quite a history. The comments do not belong in any classroom

Calling out Black Racists and groups who support them does not mean whites get to be racist...nor does that allow ignorant folks like yourself to support hate groups on the other end. JFT, bruh!

It's cute you think anyone takes this drivel seriously, or that anyone outside of Sharpton's organization regards him as anything other than a joke. Meanwhile the only other political troll who has run for office and has a tv show was once a serious contender (and still could be) to win the GOP nomination for President.

IlGreven:Smackledorfer: Well, I was informed in a different thread today that there is no racism, even in the justice system. Blacks just commit crimes at a staggeringly high level, which is why the cops have to focus on them. I was the real racist for suggesting racism was even a thing. Also white people are the true victims of racism because some of them have hardships too, so any affirmative action is the worst thing ever.

However, there is a prevailing theory that minorities can't be bigoted. Blacks can't be racist, women can't be sexist, etc. This is BS. Minorities can be racist. They can even be oppressive if they get power (hell, what are the 1% but an absurdly powerful minority? Just that they're a minority of finances than of skin color or sexual equipment.) The only real thing people need to oppress people is power, and you don't need anything to be a bigot.

Chris Mathews was an imbecile when he A) confused institutional racism with all forms of racism and B) considered Obama's election to be prima facie proof there is no more institutional racism. Anyone who takes what he said as intelligent also shows just how "intelligent" they are not.

log_jammin:Mid_mo_mad_man: No need to stir up a fuss over a trivial non event.

so tell us what you think "race baiting" actually is.

Look, this was a non-event! He made a racist statement to a child about our uppity darky President and was racistly fired by the racist school board and it's just not newsworthy! Why is everyone so upset that a bigoted asshole should get his just desserts for being a bleached-skinned redneck who told some pickanninny that we've had enough negroes in the white house?

It just never happened! Can't a man be a bigot anymore without everyone ramming it down his throat?!

Flappyhead:CorporatePerson: I hope he's one of those "Obama is forcing white people to become racist" types of racists. Those are my favorite.

But don't you call them racist, because that's racist. Derper logic can be ever so much fun.

Well, I was informed in a different thread today that there is no racism, even in the justice system. Blacks just commit crimes at a staggeringly high level, which is why the cops have to focus on them. I was the real racist for suggesting racism was even a thing. Also white people are the true victims of racism because some of them have hardships too, so any affirmative action is the worst thing ever.

At least I won't have to hear my coworkers complain about the lack of a white history month until february.