The continuing fragmentation of the TV marketplace is paying dividends for fans of SFF shows. Some niche shows are being renewed at ratings levels that would have meant sure cancellation just a few years ago.

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There's gotta be more to it than that. Dollhouse's ratings aren't marginal, they're downright tragic! Maybe Joss is going to make S2 with hand puppets? I don't see how he could get the budget down to match the ratings otherwise.

But if this increases the odds of Reaper and Chuck getting renewed, fine by me. Fox would just fill that slot with some cop show anyway. They've got nothing in the hopper that interests me.

The continuing fragmentation of the TV marketplace is paying dividends for fans of SFF shows. Some niche shows are being renewed at ratings levels that would have meant sure cancellation just a few years ago.

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There's gotta be more to it than that. Dollhouse's ratings aren't marginal, they're downright tragic! Maybe Joss is going to make S2 with hand puppets?

Ah, well, I like the show. I like the characters very much, particularly Victor.

J.

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Yeah, Victor is my favorite of the dolls. I hope they come up with something cool for him to do now that he's been Alpha'd up. But if there are going to be significant budget cuts, I get the feeling that they may just cut him loose. Which is a shame, because Enver Gjokaj has probably been the strongest actor on the show thus far.

Ah, well, I like the show. I like the characters very much, particularly Victor.

J.

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Yeah, Victor is my favorite of the dolls. I hope they come up with something cool for him to do now that he's been Alpha'd up. But if there are going to be significant budget cuts, I get the feeling that they may just cut him loose. Which is a shame, because Enver Gjokaj has probably been the strongest actor on the show thus far.

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Agreed.

I like the others, and I like Echo when she's a part of the ensemble. Having Alpha show up was great and making him Alan Tudyk was a stroke of genius, in my opinion (I am a massive Firefly fan and was royally upset when Wash was killed in Serenity). I'm excited to see next season, and I hope the budget cuts force them to balance out the dolls instead of making it the Echo & Occasional Friends show. I mean, I like Eliza Dushku, but I don't think she's strong enough to carry the show as the star. She needs to be a part of the ensemble to make it work.

If they do this, and cancel T:SCC... I'm going to go ape-shit on them. I think many of us will.

Dollhouse's ratings have been some of the worst I've seen in a decade. Firefly had massive ratings in comparison and they axed it quick as shit. If they don't give T:SCC a 3rd season pick-up and renew Dollhouse? OMG, hell will rain from the skies...

Why am I not surprised that plenty of Terminator fans are pissed at hearing this news?

I really doubt that FOX was forced to choose between DH and TSCC. They probably just want to give the Dollhouse a second chance. Seems fans had already fogotten that FOX gave Terminator a second season when it's ratings weren't all that great.

If they do this, and cancel T:SCC... I'm going to go ape-shit on them. I think many of us will.

Dollhouse's ratings have been some of the worst I've seen in a decade. Firefly had massive ratings in comparison and they axed it quick as shit. If they don't give T:SCC a 3rd season pick-up and renew Dollhouse? OMG, hell will rain from the skies...

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You do realize that Dollhouse is a Fox show while Terminator is a WB show right? If Fox had to choose between the two of them they would obviously go with Dollhouse since the shows get similar ratings but Fox makes money on online viewing/sales and DVD sales of Dollhouse.

If they do this, and cancel T:SCC... I'm going to go ape-shit on them. I think many of us will.

Dollhouse's ratings have been some of the worst I've seen in a decade. Firefly had massive ratings in comparison and they axed it quick as shit. If they don't give T:SCC a 3rd season pick-up and renew Dollhouse? OMG, hell will rain from the skies...

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You do realize that Dollhouse is a Fox show while Terminator is a WB show right? If Fox had to choose between the two of them they would obviously go with Dollhouse since the shows get similar ratings but Fox makes money on online viewing/sales and DVD sales of Dollhouse.

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That's what makes it even more tragic. And this is my own personal opinion, but the worse show is getting picked up only because of the money.

too bad they can't just renew firefly instead? that show was far better...

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I agree that Firefly was more worthy for renewal, and that Wonderfalls was about as worthy, but those ships have sailed. At least Dollhouse (which started showing promise half-way into its run) is renewed. Rejoice at this small bit of sanity, my friends, rather than regretting past stupidity.

If they do this, and cancel T:SCC... I'm going to go ape-shit on them. I think many of us will.

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I tried to get into the Conner Chronicles (with Shirley Manson in it, oh how I tried), but it never gelled for me. I can understand your pain, and I expected that both that and Dollhouse would get the axe. But since one has survived, can't we just be happy about that?

Saddens me that Firefly hadn't aired 5 years later, it would probably have survived in the current environment.

I'm not against Dollhouse being renewed, and as for the Dollhouse Vs TSCC argument, I really couldn't care less either way. However, looking at shows that Fox have cancelled down the years, it pains me that when Fox do, once every decade, show a little patience with an under-performing show, it's not necessarily with the right one.

Maybe they have more faith in Joss Whedon since Firefly didn't do that well(sorta Fox's fault anyway) and did so well after the series ended. They think that Dollhouse will somehow have that same cult following all Whedon shows have. Fox has never made consistently great desisions. They've just gotten lucky with shows over the years. I'm not sure Dollhouse will ever really perform that great though.