RE: [b-greek] Luke 10:24 tenses of the infinitives,
the need to listen

TW Rob
CAIREIN

>Luke 10: 24 says in part POLLOI PROFHTAI KAI BASILEIS
>HQELHSAN IDEIN hA
>hUMEIS BLEPETE, KAI OUK EIDON, KAI AKOUSAI hA
>AKOUETE, KAI OUK HKOUSAN
>
>Why is IDEIN a present form and AKOUSAI an aorist. They seem to be
>completely parallel. Is this because IDEIN, though present in form,
>functions as an aorist?

both IDEIN and AKOUSAI are aorist.
It would have helped to have been hearing these forms.

The accent on IDEIN is idEIN (final syllable).
And aorist of course, is the default/simple infinitive for most verbs.

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