It has begun indeed. I checked www2 and it shows cached pages from the 6th of August.

uksitesubmit

10:40 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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On the ball this month again :) Yes www2 has re-indexed. Just curious, is anybody keeping checks on exact date google re-indexes spiders etc, as if we put the info together could come up with some really interesting stuff. I suppose we could look back into the wmw archives too. One question i would like to put to people...i believe dmoz is more important to google than yahoo! Any thoughts on this?

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New site section/pages last updated 28July - but first put up a bit before that, are also just now showing on www3. So July additions are already showing (site was already in). Other changes also showing on 3.

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Napoleon right now on www2 all pages are dropped from the index with the exception of the index.html. Although some of those pages are listed in the google directory. Google makes a good 30% of SE driven traffic for me. You are right about the inconsistency: penalised on July 7, more severely with the last update, inbetween a lifting of penalization, now a mortal blow... whatīs the game?

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The sites (actually sub-sites) that have been chopped are those for which the +20 penalty remained after the relaxation a couple of weeks ago.

It's as though instead of +20, they are now applying removal from the index instead.

Fine on one level, because in my markets +20 is effectively a killer. On another level though I cannot be certain why the sites they have hit have been hit.

We theorised in some detail in previous threads, and I took the actions necessary to protect against this problem (eg: IP address links, orphans, etc).

This, or something, had a positive effect in some cases, but not in others. It is this difference that surprises me... especially as I was anticipating total recovery this time.

As far as I can see, the remaining problematic sites are totally clean on all previously discussed criteria for a penalty (and indeed are relatively new). Maybe some residue damage counter is retained? Don't know.

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>It's as though instead of +20, they are now applying removal from the index instead. Thatīs a possibility. In that case the steps I took were simply not effective.

>As far as I can see, the remaining problematic sites are totally clean on all previously discussed criteria for a penalty So are mine. Iīm right back at the beginning. The only thing preventing me from getting really angry is that I`m forced to go through all aspects of SEO for Google again and again. Canīt hurt.

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Noted the update,

www & www1. are giving the old results and www2. & www.3 are giving the same results, however not the new, as i checked them two hours ago, and literally before writing this and they had changed, so i don't think the update is stable yet !

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The update is incredible for me on one domain. Every page is ranking top 10 for its respective keywords. Ten page site, VERY themed, the only link in is from yahoo's directory (spent the $200, got in). I hope this sticks in the live update....

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Hello SubmissoR and congrats to your positions. The +20 penalty is a mere joke. Itīs something the mighty google gods, oh pardon, I meant GOOGLE GODS, have invented to their enjoyment, to laugh their ass off. It comes over you like a tornado comes out of the blue sky. Now the funniest part for them is that we humble humans have absolutely no idea whatīs happening: why me? goes the screaming. How delightful! To add some pepper the game has just been renamed: now itīs not +20 anymore, itīs go-get-lost! Hahahaha they go... erm, well, here is the thread [webmasterworld.com]

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I've been busted too, and I don't know why. I spend a lot of time at the webmaster's forums learning what not to do ... how to play by the rules. Now, only my home page remains on a site that I thought was pretty clean.

Alta Vista has been notorius for this too ... banning sites with reckless abandon. I believe part of their demise was a result of an adversarial relationship with this webmaster community. Now it looks like Google is following suite. So I say don't turn your back to Google.

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5:55 am on Aug 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I am assuming that www is the only url typical users are going to -- I have noticed that google had the new database on www only for a short time today and then they switched back to the old one. does anyone know how many hours on 20th www had the new database which is now on www2.google.com.

also any ideas on when www will stabilize with the new database and when yahoo will start using the new database?