If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Stick with Microsoft

Dear Muhammad,

If you want to chasing the money, move to Java. If you like to have fun
playing technology, Microsoft technology is the place. I am a Senior Software
Engineer using Microsoft tools. I never even think of switch to Java even
though I can learn it very quickly.

Microsoft will win the game, I am very confident. If you attend VBITS conference,
you will understand what I said. Check the stock price ( SUNW+ORCL and MSFT).

Many programmers are chasing the money. Many simply take some courses and
claim themselves to be a programmer! Yes, they can earn big money for a
whole. But what about right now ? I bet many lousy "programmers" are losing
their jobs.

My goal is to do a great job with great developing tools. Money is not that
important for me. I will not exchange fun for money. Remember, if you don't
like the job(including the tools), you can never do a good job and the money
that follows.

Microsoft is doing some crazy things that will finally push Java to the corner.
They are trying to integrate the whole internet into a internet OS. .Net
is a deadly weapon. So far you can not find anything competitive from SUN
or Oracle. They are way way behind. Microsoft has tons of money for R&D
and they don't care the stock price drop from 80 to 40. They have a whole
line of products that provide continuous cash flow. What about Oracle, SUN
? Try to compare the percentage of price drop and you can tell which company
is more strong.

Enjoy your work. Play with .Net right now. Your "rich" colleague will come
to you later asking you to give him a .Net course so that he can be a .Net
"expert" overnight! HaHaHa...

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Peter Z." <zhupeter@usa.net> wrote:
>
>Dear Muhammad,
>
>If you want to chasing the money, move to Java. If you like to have fun
>playing technology, Microsoft technology is the place.

Yeah, I have *TONS* of fun dealing with

I am a Senior Software
>Engineer using Microsoft tools. I never even think of switch to Java even
>though I can learn it very quickly.

I am a software architect and developer who has worked with both technologies
very extensively (unlike you).

The MS stuff runs on only one platform. The current (COM-based) MS stuff
is an absolute nightmare re: COM interface changes and deployment. MS seems
to have the attitude that your programming interfaces will never need to
change. Ha. Java interfaces can change with no problem--when you change
VB/COM interfaces, you end up with a nightmare of regclean / recompile /
check binary compatibility dlls, etc. etc. etc.
>
>Microsoft will win the game, I am very confident. If you attend VBITS conference,
>you will understand what I said.

So you have to go to VBITS and drink the coolaid to believe?
>Check the stock price ( SUNW+ORCL and MSFT).

What does this have to do with anything? All of the wildly overpriced tech
stocks have corrected massively. MSFT never got as wildly overpriced because
of the DOJ lawsuit. Your point?
>
>Many programmers are chasing the money. Many simply take some courses and
>claim themselves to be a programmer! Yes, they can earn big money for a
>whole. But what about right now ? I bet many lousy "programmers" are losing
>their jobs.

What does this have to do with MS vs. Java?
>
>My goal is to do a great job with great developing tools. Money is not
that
>important for me. I will not exchange fun for money. Remember, if you don't
>like the job(including the tools), you can never do a good job and the money
>that follows.

Unlike you, I've used both sets extensively. Guess what--the Java tools
are on the whole just as good as the MS tools.
>
>Microsoft is doing some crazy things that will finally push Java to the
corner.
> They are trying to integrate the whole internet into a internet OS. .Net
>is a deadly weapon.

How can I argue with your logical tour-de-force?

So far you can not find anything competitive from SUN
>or Oracle. They are way way behind.

Geez, java has been out, what, almost 6 years now? And WHEN is DotNet (a
copy of Java) going to be released? Who is behind?

Microsoft has tons of money for R&D
>and they don't care the stock price drop from 80 to 40. They have a whole
>line of products that provide continuous cash flow. What about Oracle,
SUN
>? Try to compare the percentage of price drop and you can tell which company
>is more strong.

Yeah, that's right. Oracle and Sun are about to run out of cash to pay their
bills. Larry had to hock his F15 and is now sitting out by the freeway with
a tin cup and a sign "will work for food".
>
>Enjoy your work.

I do enjoy working with Java. Kicks COM ***. Which is why MS copied Java
to make DotNet.

Play with .Net right now. Your "rich" colleague will come
>to you later asking you to give him a .Net course so that he can be a .Net
>"expert" overnight!

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Peter Z." <zhupeter@usa.net> wrote:
>If you want to chasing the money, move to Java. If you like to have fun
>playing technology, Microsoft technology is the place.

I'm curious. What makes Microsoft "fun" and Java "not fun"?

Also, why do you think .NET will overtake Java? What do you see in your
crystal ball that makes you so certain that Java programmers will come crawling
back to .NET? I'm not saying that your right or wrong. I honestly don't
know the answer to that question. My feeling is that there is room for both
of them, since there are enough "anything-but-Microsoft" people to keep it
around, but like all opinions, it's worth the price you paid for it (i.e.
think cow dung!)

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"David K." <davidk@nospam.com> wrote:
>I'm not saying that your right or wrong. I honestly don't
>know the answer to that question. My feeling is that there is room for
both
>of them, since there are enough "anything-but-Microsoft" people to keep
it
>around, but like all opinions, it's worth the price you paid for it (i.e.
>think cow dung!)
>
>Personally, I don't think it's a bad idea just to learn both!
>

About time somebody put a note of sanity into this love/hate Microsoft/anything-else.
We use what works and what the clients ask for.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Raj " <iunknwn@mail.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Mr.Cromer,
>
>I do partially agree with your points. But the way in which you tell these
>things are not in a good manner. After all this is not a place to show your
>ARROGANCE!!!
>
>One more thing, whether you are an expert or architect of things like Java
>or MS things,or president of some %#$@% company.. who cares, this is not
>a place to show your arrogance.
>
>Raj

Raj,

I think the fact that someone is successful or not at what they are doing
is a bit relevant to the careers.advice forum. After all, people are coming
to careers.advice because they want to improve their careers. I would suggest
that people who are doing relatively well might have something to contribute,
and it might be relevant to know that someone is doing well or not with their
career when deciding whether or not to take their advice. Not everyone's
advice is worth following, not by a long shot. This isn't a game. This
is real life, and I'm here to find ideas about how to improve my career and
help others. I sure wish I had known ten years ago what I know today--it
would have meant a huge difference in how long it took me to get where I
am today.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

Couldn't have said it better myself Mathew. Cheers!

Sean.

"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Z." <zhupeter@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>>Dear Muhammad,
>>
>>If you want to chasing the money, move to Java. If you like to have fun
>>playing technology, Microsoft technology is the place.
>
>Yeah, I have *TONS* of fun dealing with
>
>
> I am a Senior Software
>>Engineer using Microsoft tools. I never even think of switch to Java even
>>though I can learn it very quickly.
>
>I am a software architect and developer who has worked with both technologies
>very extensively (unlike you).
>
>The MS stuff runs on only one platform. The current (COM-based) MS stuff
>is an absolute nightmare re: COM interface changes and deployment. MS seems
>to have the attitude that your programming interfaces will never need to
>change. Ha. Java interfaces can change with no problem--when you change
>VB/COM interfaces, you end up with a nightmare of regclean / recompile /
>check binary compatibility dlls, etc. etc. etc.
>
>>
>>Microsoft will win the game, I am very confident. If you attend VBITS
conference,
>>you will understand what I said.
>
>So you have to go to VBITS and drink the coolaid to believe?
>
>>Check the stock price ( SUNW+ORCL and MSFT).
>
>What does this have to do with anything? All of the wildly overpriced tech
>stocks have corrected massively. MSFT never got as wildly overpriced because
>of the DOJ lawsuit. Your point?
>
>>
>>Many programmers are chasing the money. Many simply take some courses
and
>>claim themselves to be a programmer! Yes, they can earn big money for
a
>>whole. But what about right now ? I bet many lousy "programmers" are
losing
>>their jobs.
>
>What does this have to do with MS vs. Java?
>
>>
>>My goal is to do a great job with great developing tools. Money is not
>that
>>important for me. I will not exchange fun for money. Remember, if you
don't
>>like the job(including the tools), you can never do a good job and the
money
>>that follows.
>
>Unlike you, I've used both sets extensively. Guess what--the Java tools
>are on the whole just as good as the MS tools.
>
>>
>>Microsoft is doing some crazy things that will finally push Java to the
>corner.
>> They are trying to integrate the whole internet into a internet OS. .Net
>>is a deadly weapon.
>
>How can I argue with your logical tour-de-force?
>
> So far you can not find anything competitive from SUN
>>or Oracle. They are way way behind.
>
>Geez, java has been out, what, almost 6 years now? And WHEN is DotNet (a
>copy of Java) going to be released? Who is behind?
>
> Microsoft has tons of money for R&D
>>and they don't care the stock price drop from 80 to 40. They have a whole
>>line of products that provide continuous cash flow. What about Oracle,
>SUN
>>? Try to compare the percentage of price drop and you can tell which company
>>is more strong.
>
>Yeah, that's right. Oracle and Sun are about to run out of cash to pay
their
>bills. Larry had to hock his F15 and is now sitting out by the freeway
with
>a tin cup and a sign "will work for food".
>
>>
>>Enjoy your work.
>
>I do enjoy working with Java. Kicks COM ***. Which is why MS copied Java
>to make DotNet.
>
> Play with .Net right now. Your "rich" colleague will come
>>to you later asking you to give him a .Net course so that he can be a .Net
>>"expert" overnight!
>
>Anyone who knows Java will have absolutely no trouble with DotNet.
>
>Matthew Cromer
>President, SDA Consulting, Inc.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

Agree with you that Java is a great step towards a best approach Object Oriented
language, but I don't think any of us can truly back you up when you say
that Java has great tools. Compared to the Visual Studio, most Java tools
are toys.

Jae Cha
Certified Java Programmer
"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>"Peter Z." <zhupeter@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>>Dear Muhammad,
>>
>>If you want to chasing the money, move to Java. If you like to have fun
>>playing technology, Microsoft technology is the place.
>
>Yeah, I have *TONS* of fun dealing with
>
>
> I am a Senior Software
>>Engineer using Microsoft tools. I never even think of switch to Java even
>>though I can learn it very quickly.
>
>I am a software architect and developer who has worked with both technologies
>very extensively (unlike you).
>
>The MS stuff runs on only one platform. The current (COM-based) MS stuff
>is an absolute nightmare re: COM interface changes and deployment. MS seems
>to have the attitude that your programming interfaces will never need to
>change. Ha. Java interfaces can change with no problem--when you change
>VB/COM interfaces, you end up with a nightmare of regclean / recompile /
>check binary compatibility dlls, etc. etc. etc.
>
>>
>>Microsoft will win the game, I am very confident. If you attend VBITS
conference,
>>you will understand what I said.
>
>So you have to go to VBITS and drink the coolaid to believe?
>
>>Check the stock price ( SUNW+ORCL and MSFT).
>
>What does this have to do with anything? All of the wildly overpriced tech
>stocks have corrected massively. MSFT never got as wildly overpriced because
>of the DOJ lawsuit. Your point?
>
>>
>>Many programmers are chasing the money. Many simply take some courses
and
>>claim themselves to be a programmer! Yes, they can earn big money for
a
>>whole. But what about right now ? I bet many lousy "programmers" are
losing
>>their jobs.
>
>What does this have to do with MS vs. Java?
>
>>
>>My goal is to do a great job with great developing tools. Money is not
>that
>>important for me. I will not exchange fun for money. Remember, if you
don't
>>like the job(including the tools), you can never do a good job and the
money
>>that follows.
>
>Unlike you, I've used both sets extensively. Guess what--the Java tools
>are on the whole just as good as the MS tools.
>
>>
>>Microsoft is doing some crazy things that will finally push Java to the
>corner.
>> They are trying to integrate the whole internet into a internet OS. .Net
>>is a deadly weapon.
>
>How can I argue with your logical tour-de-force?
>
> So far you can not find anything competitive from SUN
>>or Oracle. They are way way behind.
>
>Geez, java has been out, what, almost 6 years now? And WHEN is DotNet (a
>copy of Java) going to be released? Who is behind?
>
> Microsoft has tons of money for R&D
>>and they don't care the stock price drop from 80 to 40. They have a whole
>>line of products that provide continuous cash flow. What about Oracle,
>SUN
>>? Try to compare the percentage of price drop and you can tell which company
>>is more strong.
>
>Yeah, that's right. Oracle and Sun are about to run out of cash to pay
their
>bills. Larry had to hock his F15 and is now sitting out by the freeway
with
>a tin cup and a sign "will work for food".
>
>>
>>Enjoy your work.
>
>I do enjoy working with Java. Kicks COM ***. Which is why MS copied Java
>to make DotNet.
>
> Play with .Net right now. Your "rich" colleague will come
>>to you later asking you to give him a .Net course so that he can be a .Net
>>"expert" overnight!
>
>Anyone who knows Java will have absolutely no trouble with DotNet.
>
>Matthew Cromer
>President, SDA Consulting, Inc.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Jae Cha" <jcha@transmuto.com> wrote:
>
>Agree with you that Java is a great step towards a best approach Object
Oriented
>language, but I don't think any of us can truly back you up when you say
>that Java has great tools. Compared to the Visual Studio, most Java tools
>are toys.

Why do you say this?

I certainly think the Forte IDE is as good as the VB IDE. It is absolutely
more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our VB IDE goes down more often
than a drowning man. It definitely has more features. It is a bit clunkier
to drive, but since it has far more features I can understand that. It takes
longer to load and paint, but compiles are much faster.

Which IDE are you talking about (VC++?) and why is it better than the Java
tools?

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>Why do you say this?
>
>I certainly think the Forte IDE is as good as the VB IDE. It is absolutely

Dont u think that 128 RAM is a HUGE memory requirement(and dont go for memory
prices are cheaper everyday, have in mind that java developers community
is around the world, and there are countries where even a PC with PII and
64RAM is a luxury for developers) to have an IDE for Java? as far as I know
almost any IDE for Java has that level of requirements. It seeems to much
for me. And... anticipating part of ur response...yes, VS.NET will have the
same req. more or less, but the point here is that comparing the current
VB IDE(works perfectly fine with 64RAM) vs. Forte there's a lot of difference
against Java IDE's. Maybe is as good as VB IDE (in terms of what?) but IT
demands a lot more resources than VB development. If you judge the IDE's
goodness in terms of... the less that requires me, the more that I can do
with this, the more that relief my work efforts, the more productive that
I am using it, then Java Forte could not be exactly the super IDE for a java
developer.

And I think that Jae refers to working with line commands isnt fun at all,
and I agree. Lot of people comes from those times where the only way to make
a program compiles was using line commands and as far as i know all they
always dreamed with an IDE to relief their pains doing it in this way. So,
i say this anticipating your possible answer saying that for people like
you is FUN working with line commands, BTW if that were so fun IDEs will
never came up, so please, lets be honest, nowadays developing without IDEs
it's NOT fun, and decreases the developers's productivity.

>more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our VB IDE goes down more often
>than a drowning man. It definitely has more features. It is a bit

Abt crashing VB IDE...well I've been working with VB since '94 and I've just
noted actual unstability in VB4, specially if u installed support for 16
and 32 bits dev. on the same machine. And I think that if you ask to VB developers
community you will see that, in general terms, the stability has improved
a lot since those days and personally I can hardly remember when was the
last time my VB6 IDE crashes. And much of this crashing problems are due
to wrong built third-party products, components, setup, etc. (specially faulty
setup programs that overwrites essential files like dll's, common COM components,
DB libraries, etc.)

The other part it's related with the order used when you install (most people
dont read the instructions before proceed) more products or SP's on the machines.

It's very easy say such things like that "This works for me, and this doesnt",
specially if it's a product or technology that doesnt like me. Anyone can
say the same abt java tools for example, so I think that it's very important
be honest when someone gives an opinion and try to be objective. I mean...
the VB IDE that crashes too much for YOU maybe say too much abt your knowledge
or ability (or lack of) to do a good job when you installed the tools. Let
me put it in this way, if I install Forte (or another Java IDE) not following
the recommendations and instructions, I think that very probably I'll end
with a faulty Forte IDE installation and would be very easy for me to say
things like....
"VB IDE is more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our Java FORTE IDE
goes down more often than a drowning man."

clunkier
>to drive, but since it has far more features I can understand that. It

takes
>longer to load and paint, but compiles are much faster.
>

You see? everything in this life has tradeoffs, nothing can be considered
absolut good and above at all, neither Microsoft or Java.
>Which IDE are you talking about (VC++?) and why is it better than the Java
>tools?

I conclude here, I think that Jae finished saying that "Compared to the Visual
Studio, most Java tools are toys." not saying that Visual Studio IDE's are
better than Java Tools.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Miguel Angel Gonzalez" <miguelangelglz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>>Why do you say this?
>>
>>I certainly think the Forte IDE is as good as the VB IDE. It is absolutely
>
>Dont u think that 128 RAM is a HUGE memory requirement(and dont go for memory
>prices are cheaper everyday, have in mind that java developers community
>is around the world, and there are countries where even a PC with PII and
>64RAM is a luxury for developers) to have an IDE for Java? as far as I know
>almost any IDE for Java has that level of requirements. It seeems to much
>for me. And... anticipating part of ur response...yes, VS.NET will have
the
>same req. more or less, but the point here is that comparing the current
>VB IDE(works perfectly fine with 64RAM) vs. Forte there's a lot of difference
>against Java IDE's.

You gave the answer in your post: the DotNet environment requires the same
resources ad Forte. VB6 is less, yes, but it came out THREE YEARS AGO!
Gimme a break!

Maybe is as good as VB IDE (in terms of what?) but IT
>demands a lot more resources than VB development.

YOu are comparing the latest version of Forte (released three months ago)
versus VB6 (released three years ago!!!). The proper comparison is with
the VS.NET IDE, which has comparable requirements.

If you judge the IDE's
>goodness in terms of... the less that requires me, the more that I can do
>with this, the more that relief my work efforts, the more productive that
>I am using it, then Java Forte could not be exactly the super IDE for a
java
>developer.

Because it required 128MB to be usable? You can buy 128MB for $70 or so.
>
>And I think that Jae refers to working with line commands isnt fun at all,
>and I agree. Lot of people comes from those times where the only way to
make
>a program compiles was using line commands and as far as i know all they
>always dreamed with an IDE to relief their pains doing it in this way. So,
>i say this anticipating your possible answer saying that for people like
>you is FUN working with line commands, BTW if that were so fun IDEs will
>never came up, so please, lets be honest, nowadays developing without IDEs
>it's NOT fun, and decreases the developers's productivity.

I'm baffled. I just named a FREE IDE for Java, and now you are complaining
about the lack of Java IDEs. Hmmn last time I checked you had to PAY MONEY
for the visual studio / VB6 IDEs.
>
>
>>more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our VB IDE goes down more often
>>than a drowning man. It definitely has more features. It is a bit
>
>Abt crashing VB IDE...well I've been working with VB since '94 and I've
just
>noted actual unstability in VB4, specially if u installed support for 16
>and 32 bits dev. on the same machine. And I think that if you ask to VB
developers
>community you will see that, in general terms, the stability has improved
>a lot since those days and personally I can hardly remember when was the
>last time my VB6 IDE crashes.

You obviously don't do multi-project loading and debugging in your IDEs.

And much of this crashing problems are due
>to wrong built third-party products, components, setup, etc. (specially
faulty
>setup programs that overwrites essential files like dll's, common COM components,
>DB libraries, etc.)

The Java stuff doesn't have these problems.
>
>The other part it's related with the order used when you install (most people
>dont read the instructions before proceed) more products or SP's on the
machines.

More MS *&^^ you don't have to deal with using Java.
>
>It's very easy say such things like that "This works for me, and this doesnt",
>specially if it's a product or technology that doesnt like me. Anyone can
>say the same abt java tools for example, so I think that it's very important
>be honest when someone gives an opinion and try to be objective. I mean...
>the VB IDE that crashes too much for YOU maybe say too much abt your knowledge
>or ability (or lack of) to do a good job when you installed the tools.

Now you are blaming ME for DLL ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!

Hint, one big impetus to move to DotNet is to get rid of or at least mitigate
DLL ****.

Let
>me put it in this way, if I install Forte (or another Java IDE) not following
>the recommendations and instructions, I think that very probably I'll end
>with a faulty Forte IDE installation and would be very easy for me to say
>things like....
>"VB IDE is more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our Java FORTE IDE
>goes down more often than a drowning man."

Now you are assuming I don't follow the directions. Are you using psychic
powers to determine this?
>
>clunkier
>>to drive, but since it has far more features I can understand that. It
>
>takes
>>longer to load and paint, but compiles are much faster.
>>
>
>You see? everything in this life has tradeoffs, nothing can be considered
>absolut good and above at all, neither Microsoft or Java.

Right. You can have an IDE that repaints more slowly, or an IDE that creates
DLL **** software. Take your pick.
>
>>Which IDE are you talking about (VC++?) and why is it better than the Java
>>tools?
>
>I conclude here, I think that Jae finished saying that "Compared to the
Visual
>Studio, most Java tools are toys." not saying that Visual Studio IDE's are
>better than Java Tools.
>

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>You gave the answer in your post: the DotNet environment requires the same
>resources ad Forte. VB6 is less, yes, but it came out THREE YEARS AGO!
>Gimme a break!

Man u started doing this comparision in your reply to Jae, not me ok? so
you
own me a break uh? =)

"I certainly think the Forte IDE is as good as the VB IDE.
It is absolutely more stable for us--never crashes, whereas our VB IDE
goes down more often than a drowning man."

I asume u r talking abt VB 6 IDE, 'cause I suppose that would be very unfair
comparing a Beta VB NET IDE, which certainly and very problably could be
crashing more often than a drowning man.
>
>YOu are comparing the latest version of Forte (released three months ago)
>versus VB6 (released three years ago!!!). The proper comparison is with
>the VS.NET IDE, which has comparable requirements.

Again, you started this, dont u remember(read your own post)? or it's
just 'cause u throw the rock before think what r u gonna say? wow whata...
>
>
>Because it required 128MB to be usable? You can buy 128MB for $70 or so.
>>

Er... sorry, did u read my first paragraph in my previous reply? where
I state that would be very helpful if u think in a WIDER way and realize

that USA economic conditions are not the same worldwide? please dont asume

that 70 bucks are so easy to get outside USA, and believe me, in most
countries in the third world isnt easy at all!

And, anticipating one of ur possibles answers, yes, a VB licence cost a lot
more than 70 bucks, but the point here was determining if an IDE is good
or not in terms of its requirements, and I think that if i can do my job
with a less resources demanding IDE, this is one point to favor this IDE
not the one that requires me a huge amount of memory or r u going to say
that an IDE is good or better than other just because is free??? think abt
it.
>
>I'm baffled. I just named a FREE IDE for Java, and now you are complaining
>about the lack of Java IDEs. Hmmn last time I checked you had to PAY MONEY
>for the visual studio / VB6 IDEs.
>>

Did I complain? WHERE??? =) noway! I just said that IDEs in general make
fun to program, NEVER asked for more Java IDEs, and BTW, how many free IDEs
are for Java? How many Java IDEs have to be purchased and how much they cost?
>
>You obviously don't do multi-project loading and debugging in your IDEs.
>

Of course that I did, multi-project loading and debugging Mr. is what
EVERYBODY does daily when you are developing, so dont say such thing, or
do you
think that I just use the IDE to draw the GUI? =) bad idea!
>
>The Java stuff doesn't have these problems.
>More MS *&^^ you don't have to deal with using Java.
>

I know but... can u say the same abt Java IDEs? all of them?
think it twice! remember man, the point discussed here are the IDE's
crashes and how they are originated.
>
>Now you are blaming ME for DLL ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>ROFLMAO!

blaming you? oh! come on man, stop to doing the victim, u r funny playing
that role but no, i'm not blaming u abt anything, what I was saying was that
if you follow the directions and read all the related documentation before
installing your development environment in your machine you are more
likely to setup a non faulty MS IDE.

BTW in other posts you have said that you consider yourself a VERY
proficient VB programmer,right? so if you were so capable, dont u think
that setting up a non faulty VB dev environment would be a piece of cake

for u? =).
>
>Now you are assuming I don't follow the directions. Are you using psychic
>powers to determine this?
>

Nobody have to be a psychic to realize that if you have a faulty VB IDE
environment is very probably 'cause you made some mistakes, or do you
think that just because you had the VERY VERY unfortunate experience of
having an unstable dev. env. with VB IDE the rest of the mortals run with
the same terrible bad luck?

>
>Hint, one big impetus to move to DotNet is to get rid of or at least mitigate
>DLL ****.
>

Yeah, I know it already, thanx anyway. I just can say abt this that maybe
it will help you to dont feel blamed abt this dll ****.
>
>Right. You can have an IDE that repaints more slowly, or an IDE that creates
>DLL **** software. Take your pick.
>>

DLL **** software is not responsability of VB IDE, in such case is
platform's responsability, but this is NOT the subject of this thread, but
if you, as developer, are causing your own DLL ****, then man... maybe
can help yourself compiling with binary compatibility when u build your
apps or components or using ur wisdom when you deploy them, but again,
this is not a problem with the IDE itself.

And yes, I took my pick, using in the RIGHT way my VB IDE, that paints fast,
among another virtues, and use my knowledge to compile and deploy in the
RIGHT way to avoid contribute to the DLL ****, and not blaming the IDE or
justifying myself abt the mistakes that I've ever made.
>>
>
>So now the Java tools are "toys" but VS is not better. Right.
>

buzz! wrong man, u missed it but dont worry, I'll put it more simple:

VS isnt better or worst than Java IDEs or tools, they are excelent IDEs
for doing development with the corresponding language.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

"Matthew Cromer" <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote:
>I am a software architect and developer who has worked with both technologies
very extensively (unlike you).

It's sad that so-called professionals such as yourself have never developed
the social skills to be civil and respectful to others.
>The MS stuff runs on only one platform. The current (COM-based) MS stuff
>is an absolute nightmare re: COM interface changes and deployment. MS seems
>to have the attitude that your programming interfaces will never need to
>change. Ha. Java interfaces can change with no problem--when you change
>VB/COM interfaces, you end up with a nightmare of regclean / recompile /
>check binary compatibility dlls, etc. etc. etc.

Um, you are wrong here. If a Java interface changes, a client to that interface
can run into serious trouble. If one removes a method from the interface
and a client calls that method, your program is going to barf.

You can change COM interfaces just about as easily as you can change Java
interfaces. The only difference is, MS saw the need to make the contract
between object and callee a binding one. MS only *recommends* that extensions
and revisions to COM interfaces be implemented as a whole new interface.

Of course, you've already shown that your understanding of COM is very limited.
I very much doubt your experience is "extensive" as you put it.
>I do enjoy working with Java. Kicks COM ***. Which is why MS copied Java
>to make DotNet.

Hmm, these comments seem awfully green for you to be claiming to be "extensively"
experienced with both platforms. I very much doubt you understand COM beyond
the extent that it provides interfaces and late binding in C/C++. Few of
the technologies you use are not copies of older technologies.
>Anyone who knows Java will have absolutely no trouble with DotNet.

Re: Stick with Microsoft

LOL. Anyone else see the humor in this?
> This isn't a game. This
>is real life, and I'm here to find ideas about how to improve my career
and help others.

Somehow, I get the feeling you aren't ready to help others. You've got issues,
my friend, and I'd wait a few years before dispensing advice to people who
know to be less arrogant than you.
> I sure wish I had known ten years ago what I know today--it
>would have meant a huge difference in how long it took me to get where I
>am today.

Funny how the President of the U.S. never has to say stuff like this. LOL
>Matthew Cromer
>