The Big Meeting 5

I think we can all just agree that I WAS RIGHT, and Clive Bundy is an asshole. You all witnessed it, I called it. Yeah, great, he led a real, successful, but temporary revolt. Now let’s see how he fares when everyone bails out on his idiotic ass.

The whole Bundy situation was a slippery slope at best, and he was not an ideal candidate at all to use for furthering personal opinions on government regulation overreach since he previously paid grazing fee’s before deciding he didn’t have to anymore. Using Bundy as a spokesman or even case study suggesting government overreach is just like when the NRA used to prior Felon who was in the commission of a crime to try and fight the law against “sawed off shotguns” back in the 60’s. Pick your battles, your allies, and most important the battlegrounds wisely or you will find yourself being smeared with the same crap your ally is rolling around in….

That said, I can partially see where he was attempting to go with the statements he made, which is the same argument made by some members of the African American Political and Church Communities of how many traded one slave owner Master (pre-civil war southern democrats) from the 1860’s for a new Master (Socially “progressive” or Liberal Democrats) of the 1960’s for a free check, some food stamps, and cheap or free housing. (And now free phones) As well as how the policies and regulations of Government Social programs like Welfare has broken the family unit due to how the individual is rewarded for both numbers of children and single relationship. Like I said I can see where he was headed, and his comments on the “brown” or “Latin” peoples a few moments later shows a man who might not be the “racist” he is being painted as by the NY times, just someone who uses language that isn’t acceptable in modern “politically correct” circles. However there is still some of these comments on “the negro” he made that clearly shows he isn’t the poster candidate you would want to support your cause since he isn’t a public speaker, natural or trained, and apparently he thinks that having a good “family life” included having your family routinely split and sold off or moved away from you with no control, being held to servitude is more preferable to what many “broken” families have today…

For those that haven’t seen or heard the full video of his “racist” comments here is the “full video” I’m sure there is more beforehand but this is the most complete I’ve seen… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

Yup. He’s an ass. Serves me right being embarrassed, and made a fool of for supporting anyone promoted and supported by Alex Jones.

Though, while he is an ass, that does not mean the government didn’t overstep reasonable bounds. They had sniper overwatch for something which should have been handled with a lien on his property, and seizing his profits from the sale.

People who understand the real issue here will not abandon Cliven Bundy, because the man’s personality and opinions, assuming the NYT story is truthful and complete, are beside the point. You have the right not to be bullied by the government whether you’re Mother Teresa or Fred Phelps. We have a moral duty to defend the right whether we like the person or not, whether we’ll get called names by people or not. Cliven Bundy is a free American and if his rights and dignity aren’t worth defending, what does that say about yours?

The liberty movement is loaded with people who will jump on any excuse to back away from the fight, but they’re either grandstanders who are using the situation for their own glorification, or patriot wannabes who make brave noises but in the end will accept chains rather than risk their hides. Ignore the people who run from this, watch the ones who stay. They’re the heroes.

I agree with most of this post, but I’d just add 1 little “caveat”…
…those heroes? They are heroic for standing by their convictions, yes, absolutely. That doesn’t automatically mean they have the same goals as Clive Bundy. To assume otherwise is to risk doing them a grave disservice, or to give them too much credit (depending on what their motives turn out to be later). We can admire them for the way they choose to stand up & be counted, but *why* they stand up is a separate issue, & still needs scrutiny. The situation still needs an audience of observant citizens, not passive couch potatoes, & that simply never changes. As the old saying goes, “The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance”.

Neither of the groups pushing the issue have your best interests at heart, although nearly all the foot soldiers on the ground and echoing the memes around the internet are certain of their own rightness/righteousness.

By “power group”, realize I mean some individuals and institutions/corporations with more money than God, not little people in little people organizations like “tea party” or “Democratic Party”

Why does one power group want an endless incremental extension of Federal authority? Where is the profit, cui bono?

Why does another power group want to curtail/”drown in a bathtub” the Federal Gov’t.? It’s been a hell of a gravy train for the CorpGov these last 70+ years- why derail it now? Again, cui bono?! WHAT DO THEY INTEND TO FILL THAT VACUUM?

Actually, process by which BLM changed the rules under which Bundy was grazing (which is the heart of the BLM’s case) was / is still arguable in court; until all appeals are exhausted. In short, BLM jumped the legal gun. Your rebuttal is invalid.

I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt, & assume that this is only payback for Alex’s “kiss-&-tell” faux pas, rather than merely using him as an emotional “chew-toy” for the shear “cat-&-mouse”-type fun of it.

Damn fool didn’t know to keep his mouth shut while he was winning. Whether the racism is relevant to the ordeal or not it buries him. The only mainstream (network) coverage I saw was once this broke, and it will be the end of him. It ruins whatever credibility he may have had, whether he’s was the right or not, and the supporting media has no choice but to tuck tail.

Yeah, I’m going to continue to tolerate intolerance. So, not only does he have the right to be an asshole and a bigot, but also, this has no bearing on his other rights, and anyone who tries to take any of his rights away is a tyrant.

Seems that pols are not the only ones who love a camera and the sounds of their own voices. Unlike pols he hasn’t developed an internal censor to filter out the thoughts which might damage his interests if spoken out loud.

When you are in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

None of which justifies or ameliorates anything the feds have done. There’s enough disdain to go around.

People who are in the right don’t change their reasoning. “he’s a racist” isn’t any more a reason than “but tortoises!”. If you come up with it AFTER you’ve decided on an action, it’s not a reason, it’s an excuse.

I still have yet to see evidence of one cent of tax money spent at this guy’s request… I mean, sure, they spent plenty on the party at his place with the choppers, and roadblocks, but I mean, it’s not like BLM is grooming the land the cows are/were on…

I wonder, If in the future somehow his land problems are going to magically disappear? Wouldnt be the first or last time someone standing for right and beliefs some how suddenly changed their minds or is all of a sudden a bad guy. Be it through extortion, or bribary, or whatever. Its a little too coincidental if you ask me.

I think Clive Bundy’s comments are taken out of context. I mean the guy is like 80 years old, nowadays we are all used to the PC crap, when someone hears someone who is not used to that sort of “new talk” it sounds weird and predjudiced. I hope nobody actuall ymeets me in life, I don’t do PC either and many have called me an outright racist.