here. These consulting firms are the middle men. The paper bag carriers. The mules. The blood sucking mosquitos. They are the ones who make the promise and make sure the Republican candidate delivers. They are in fact the buffer between corporate Washington D.C. Insiders money and the Republican politician’s conscious that allows them to sleep at night thinking they are as clean and pure as a bowl full of freshly poured Clorox.

The curtain that once protected both the Republican and Democrat party’s shady alliances from public view has now become threadbare thanks in part to the World Wide Web and Google searches. The conservative voting public is now finally getting a full view of what is going on behind the curtain and the ugly truth it once had hidden.

The truth is that we all have been watching a low budget, but highly expensive ticketed production of World Wide Wrestling. The Republican Party once was a billion dollar steroid infused vein popping behemoth hero in a red mask fighting for a smaller government who always seemed to get pinned at the last second by the Democrat Party, the other billion dollar steroid infused behemoth in blue tights (who fought for an even larger government) due to some trickery or unfair sportsmanship in the political ring. But long before the match had taken place we now know both political wrestlers and the consultant promoters representing them were at dinner together, at some posh restaurant that no one in the audience would be able to afford or get reservations to, clinking wine glasses and smoking after dinner cigars laughing at how easy it is. The prize money already distributed and spent, the outcome already agreed upon and scripted. All that was left was the show.

As long as the audience was still paying for the tickets, spending money at the concessions and buying t-shirts both the Democrat and Republican Party were raking in the money. Those days, unfortunately for the Republican Party are now over. The people who cheered them on and paid hard earned money to see their Red Masked Avenger have finally started to realize they have been played more times and harder than a fiddle at a Bluegrass festival. In despair most dropped their foam fingers and twrilly towels and headed for the exits. They were not even around when the guy in blue tights delivered what was scripted to be a pretend third buckle high elbow drop to the throat. Though it was scripted, the elbow drop was not pretend.

Now the Democrat blue tighted devil and his followers are laughing all the way to the bank with a stop at the Oval Office. They were never playing a part in this violent political theater. They were playing for real. More importantly they never had to dupe their fans to get their adulation. All they had to do was make sure they kept their fan base’s pockets full of money for hotdogs, beer, and free cell phones and they would always have their fanatical cheering little minions. They knew all along that this would be the outcome since the Republican Party agreed to take part in their l money making vote securing little ruse.

The Republican Party however did not die in the ring that night. It was rolled out on a stretcher, shoved into the back of a waiting ambulance, and driven to the hospital. It eventually recovered, but never regained its former fans or glory. Dejected and led by even less competent promoters, it had a hard time finding a gig, and in its weakened depressed condition it eventually succumbed to an allergic reaction to the simple truth. A waste of a party and a sad un-heroic way to go.

You can still see the Republican Party if you want to. It is now a carnival attraction in Washington D.C… Lobbyists and consultants have pumped it full of a millions dollars’ worth of embalming fluid, tied strings to its hands and feet and now make it dance the Potomac Jig for a few fans and donors who still believe that its better days are ahead even though its conservative soul long ago departed this world. Eventually even these die-hard fans will not be able to stand the stench of corruption and decay and will find some other sideshow to gawk at. The consultants will most likely dump its body in some dirt road ditch once every ounce of usefulness has been wrung out of its corpse.

All that really remains is for the Republican Party now is for someone to write a forced glowing obituary of what it once had been.

Smorgasbord

ilovebeeswarzone

retire05
one thing for sure is that we must honestly admit that RON PAUL LEFT
WITH A CROWD OF MINIMUM 8 THOUSAND YOUNG PEOPLE,
X OF MILITARIES, AND X OF CITIZENS LIKE JUSTME95,
THAT IS NOT TO SPIT ON,
HE SUCCEEDED TO INTEREST ALL THOSE YOUNG IN THEIR NEW VOTES YEARS BESIDE THE OTHER,
NOT BECAUSE OF HIS SMILE, NOT BECAUSE HE BOUGHT THEM, NOT BECAUSE HE IS GOOD LOOKNG,
NO INSULT MEANT, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS THEIR AGE,
BUT BECAUSE OF HIS MESSAGE AND AGENDA, HE SCARED OBAMA FOR HIM TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, and they elected OBAMA MEANING IF THEY DID ELECT OBAMA ,THEY WOULD HAVE ELECT
RON PAUL EVEN MORE, HE HAD A BETTER CHANCE TO GET IT, COMPARE TO THE OTHER, HE WOULD HAVE STOP THE SPENDING,
AND PUT ORDER IN THE HOUSE AND HE WOULD HAVE LET THE GOLD COME OUT AS A CURRENCY
REAL VALUED, AGAINST THE IOWYOU NOTES OF OBAMA, HE WOULD HAVE DISMANTEL THE TSA,
THAT WOULD HAVE PLEASE EVERYBODY, HE WOULD HAVE CALL BACK THE WARRIORS HOME
FOR THE FIRST TIME FROM WARS SINCE WWII , ECETERA ECETERA
THAT WAS QUITE A GOOD AGENDA, AND HE KEPT HIS PEOPLE TILL THE END,
OTHERWISE MITT ROMNEY WOULD HAVE HAD THEM.
meaning he is not to be thrown out the train,

Ditto

It doesn’t matter how good a third party sounds, it is a waste of a vote and usually causes bad things to happen in an election. If the Repubs get 40 % 3rd party gets 15% that leaves the Dimocrats to get 45% and win with a minority of the vote. always works out that way. 3 parties will never work.

Stuff and nonsense. Independents and third party candidates have won elections against “Major” party opposition. Both the Republican and Democratic parties were at one time “third parties” Ever heard of the Whig party? It used to be one of the majority parties until they lost support. There are a whole lot of people out there who don’t vote because they see both parties are pretty much the same. The GOP used to be a Right-wing party, but now (aside from a few Conservatives,) they are mostly center at best but that center is a “Progressive” one. The truth is any candidate can win office if they get more votes than then the opposition, (although the vote must be secured from party hacks and vote fraud.

If you give them Hope again, build a new party that actually listens to them, that want’s to return the American dream (instead of simply enriching their elitist cronies and throwing an occasional bone to the conservatives to shut them up,) then, then! When they see politicians who are responsible statesmen run for office, the real moderate and conservative voters will come. It will not happen overnight, but it’s a two years until the 2014 election, and that is plenty of time to start a new movement. I would suggest that this movement include a demand for real reform of politics with harsh pentalties for etical violations, and the voters must demand an end to vote fraud. Any politician who doesn’t support ID checks at the polls, must be driven from office. The Tea Party and similar groups need to get serious and grow. I strongly urge everyone reading this to get off your butts and join or start a local Tea Party group. We CAN take our nation back from these eliteist Progressive ideologues!!!

As for the MSM talking heads who will try to demonize these movements, there is one thing that they (or their producers) will listen to and that’s their sponsors. When the attacks come, call the sponsors and tell them that if they continue to support programs that demonize political reform, then you will take your business elsewhere.

n your #20 you called the tactic ‘devious’ when in fact it’s the only way to win the nomination. No delegates, no win. He never hid his strategy so I don’t understand what you see as ‘devious’.

It was as I called it. I acknowledge that Dr. Paul didn’t “hide” his “strategy”, but he didn’t openly declare it to the public either. The Ron Paul delegates were to perform as “faithless electors.” The deviousness was in that they never planned to be representative of their fellow voters as they promised. They wanted a floor vote so that they could ignore how they disingenuously pledged to vote in order vote instead for whom they personally wanted (Ron Paul). The fact that you think this is politics as normal and “how you win nominations,” tells me that you too are a person not to be trusted.

justme95

I acknowledge that Dr. Paul didn’t “hide” his “strategy”, but he didn’t openly declare it to the public either.

A google serach for Ron Paul delegate strategy yields 2.53million hits. What the heck does ‘didn’t openly declare it’ mean? What was he supposed to do? And why are you demanding candidates to perform as you want them to? You’re being ridiculous.

And I want to know when Dr Paul told his delegates to perform as faithless electors.
Unless you can come up with proof for that wild claim, you’re the untrustworthy one.

justme95

Wow. Do you kiss your mother/spouse/child with that mouth?
If you supported anyone other than Ron Paul you were supporting all those things I mentioned because EVERY Republican candidate other than Ron Paul supported those things. Who’d you end up voting for, huh? Your secret ‘chosen one’ or the GOP’s pick? Maybe you voted for the Constitution Party candidate? I wrote in Ron Paul.

RP has introduced legislation on the use of drones.

Now, the partisan trenches have been crossed by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D – Ohio, and Rep. Ron Paul, R – Texas, in order to force the administration to release its legal justification.

The two mavericks who are leaving Congress at year’s end have introduced a resolution of inquiry — legislation that is used to compel specific documents from the administration, and must be considered by the committee of jurisdiction, or on the House floor, within 14 legislative days.

Since the legislation was introduced on November 28, it could come before the House this year, which means that the administration will be forced to turn over the legal justification it uses for the strikes, including any memos from the Office of Legal Counsel.

“Thus far, the administration has refused to release the memo or any documents, despite multiple requests from members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. Intelligence operations that have virtually no transparency, accountability or oversight raise serious legal questions, particularly when such programs may constitute possible violations of international law or the Constitution of the United States,” Kucinich said in a press statement.

Both Kucinich and Paul oppose the use of drones “because they increase radicalization among the population of the countries we use them in, violate the U.S. Constitution, kill innocent people and stain our nation’s moral consciousness.”

I’d offer a link but for some reason FA is throwing out my comments with links.

I don’t have to meet Dr Paul to know why I support him. I’ve read some of the legislation he’s introduced, like the American Sovereignty Restoration Act which is to withdraw the US from the UN and kick the UN out of the US which he’s submitted every Congressional year since Gingrich was speaker… you don’t agree with that? Why didn’t that ever get passed? Was the Paul’s fault or the RINO/neocons in Congress’ fault?
Oh, and I started reading this blog when they were hunting down Saddam.

ilovebeeswarzone

justme95
hi, yes , you where already visiting when I first came here in 2009 early.
those are good agenda about the UN,AMONG OTHER LIKE THE TSA
the way it is now, THE UN think it’s their permanent home,
they even where invited by OBAMA
TO OBSERVED THE ELECTION, THEY WANTED TO GO TO RED STATES, AND TEXAS WARNED THEM TO KEEP OUT OF TEXAS.
bye

Hard Right

luap nor is a figure that people who cannot face reality project their fantasies onto. They act like he is the second coming of Christ. If that doesn’t make you nervous about him and his supporters, it should. I looked into him and his supporters years ago. I perused the RP forums and saw the pure crazy that inhabited them. It was like huffpo, Dem Ungerground, or KOS, but with fiscal Conservatism. They were packed full of truthers and paranoid America bashers. Yet they called themselves patriots.
I went back to check on them this time around and noted a major purge had been conducted. Trying to hide what they are.
Many of the ronulans I have met seem to be convinced of their own genius…for reasons only seen by them. I cannot tell you how many junk-mobiles I have seen with RP stickers on them. I guess they think if he “frees” them they’ll get rich.

Aqua

@Hard Right:
I’m sure there are crazies in the Ron Paul camp, just as their are in every political camp. But Ron Paul’s ideas shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand because he has some crazy followers. Some guy had the Romney campaign insignia tattooed on his head. Hardly the act of a rational mind.
One thing justme95 said, and something I completely agree with, is ridding ourselves of the neo-cons in the conservative party. These are former liberals that moved to the GOP simply because they didn’t feel the democrats were willing enough to intervene in foreign affairs.
My thoughts on nation building is that it is a load of crap. They bomb us, we kick their butts and leave. They can rebuild their own stuff. It’ll give them something to think about instead of bombing us again. I don’t completely agree with Ron Paul on overseas military installations. But I do believe we have too many. I’m don’t think we should completely remove our bases from places like Okinawa; but do we really need 10 military installations on an island that is 67 miles long and 17 miles wide? You can Google the military bases we have overseas, the list is staggering.
And I think one thing Romney could have done in the third debate was to say he would consider drawing down in Afghanistan immediately. Forget the 2014 deadline. If there were a way to remove our people from there immediately, it should be done. There is no reason our men and women should be killed by the very people they are trying to train. Just tell them we’re leaving; and if one act of terror targeted at the US was traced to them, we’d bomb them further back into the stone ages than they are today.

The Ron Paul plan was to stack the deck in caucus states with their delegates, who at the caucuses promised to vote for other candidates, but who would instead vote for Ron Paul at the National Convention. In fact, at the RNC National Convention during the roll call vote: The Nevada delegates broke the state’s rules for delegates and threw nearly all their votes for Ron Paul. Three Arizona delegates who were also pledged to vote Romney, also changed their vote. That is exactly what a faithless elector is.

Despite pleas from the stage of the Tampa Bay Times Forum for party unity, three of Arizona’s 29 delegates voted for Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, to be the party’s presidential nominee this fall. They joined 187 others who bucked the party and refused to vote for frontrunner Mitt Romney.

I note that Maine’s delegates were unbound going into the Convention, so they were free to vote for anyone they personally wanted to, ignoring completely the caucus results. As convention officials “replaced” ten of Maine’s delegates and most of them walked out angrily, boycotting the convention, there is no way to know how the Maine delegate’s would have voted, but as it too was stacked with unbound Paul supporters, we can assume that it would not have followed the original caucus tally.

Whether their goal was to get Ron Paul as the presidential or vice presidential nominee, the 2012 RNC convention was a messy, chaotic fiasco with the Ron-Paul folk determined to force a brokered convention, and the establishment Republican party leadership just as determined to exert their somewhat heavy handed control. The outcome added to the disgust factor no doubt turning even more voters away from participating in the general election.

As for how many “hits” Google had on “Ron Paul’s strategy” that means exactly squat. Just as anyone can can click on a link multiple times, to make it appear that a site has more people visiting than it actually has.

justme95

Your first link is to an opinion piece as far as I can tell. W.E. Messamore offers to proof to his assertions.

The Ron Paul plan was to stack the deck in caucus states with their delegates

Was Romney, Santorum or Gingrich ‘stacking the deck’ in caucus states or just acquiring delegates? Why is Ron Paul ‘stacking’ but no one else? Those were a poor choice of words and I question the author’s use of them. Since you don’t like Paul, I understand why you would continue using derogatory language to prove your misguided point.

who at the caucuses promised to vote for other candidates, but who would instead vote for Ron Paul at the National Convention.

This assumed a brokered convention whereby the second round of votes would free all ‘bound’ delegates, which according to GOP Rule 38 weren’t bound to begin with. There’s nothing sneaky about this. You’re bound in the first round, not in the second. Paul supporters planned on playing by the rules but you are the one who has a problem with that.

In fact, at the RNC National Convention during the roll call vote: The Nevada delegates broke the state’s rules for delegates and threw nearly all their votes for Ron Paul.

Nevada. Do you even know what happened in Nevada? Election fraud perpetrated by the GOP. Then ‘Team Romney’ sets up a shadow GOP in Nevada in an attempt to strip the state party of its legitimacy and the national GOP starts ‘transferring’ (nice way to say stealing) money from the legitimate, duly elected state GOP to ‘Team Romney’. The GOP cheating the voters and you expect complacency. Many of us are now outraged enough at the GOP that we are calling for drastic change and a gutting of the establishment and even you are calling for a new party yet you are casting dispersions at those people who were cheated from the get-go by a corrupt GOP and doing whatever they could to let the GOP know they won’t put up with fraud. Why is your ‘plan’ so much nobler than the people of Nevada?

Three Arizona delegates who were also pledged to vote Romney, also changed their vote. That is exactly what a faithless elector is.

I note that Maine’s delegates were unbound going into the Convention, so they were free to vote for anyone they personally wanted to, ignoring completely the caucus results.

That sentence doesn’t even make sense. The caucus was a straw poll and you know it. There was evidence of election fraud there, too. Straw polls DON’T count. Ron Paul won Maine fair and square during the delegate convention but your hatred blinds you to the truth. It’s obvious you will continue to deny the facts of election fraud perpetrated by the GOP and the GOP’s continued abuse/misuse of the rules it set out for itself, so further discussion is impossible. What I do know is it’s people like you that allowed the GOP to become the sorry excuse of a party that it is by accepting its errant behavior over the last several years.

justme95

Redteam

@Ditto:
Ditto, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Name any 3rd party candidate that has won a presidential election ever? When the whig party was around, there were only 2 parties, the Dimocrats and whigs, when the whigs died, the Repubs came to existence. no 3rd party candidate has made a dent in the presidency. H. Ross Perot is credited with his 3rd party giving the election to the Dims. Had he not been in it, Clinton would have lost the first time he ran.
I do agree that both parties are very much alike. Repubs generally center, some right. Dims generally center, mostly left. I remember hearing about 30 years ago that the difference in the two parties is that the Dimocrats want to bankrupt the government now, the Repubs want to drag it out over 10 years. I think that’s about right.
The only way to succeed is the Repubs have to be more receptive to conservatives. right now the neocons are catering to the neocons and that does not benefit the party or the Conservatives.

retire05

Why would you even say that? I used no profanity in my response to you. Or do you think “groupie” is a four letter word?

And after having read everything you posted, let me just sum it up:

“Waaaaaaah, Ron Paul lost because everyone else in the GOP is a corrupt person who did everything they could to keep him from winning the nomination.”

There, fixed it for you. You could have saved yourself a lot of time, and effort, typing all your “crooked GOP” crap.

And you are quick to make assumptions about other people, but damn slow to answer questions about yourself. And while you try to bash me and pretend that I am some kind of horrible creature because I have lost all respect I ever had for Dr. Paul, none of it really matters, does it, because he is retiring.

I find it pretty hypocritical that you say you don’t have to know Ron Paul to know why you support him. Well, bubba, I know Ron Paul, and worked damn hard for him, and his campaigns, before he went off the deep end. In all your devotion, did it ever cause you to wonder why his own state never supported in in any of his presidential campaigns?

Looks like you are going to have to find someone else to be a groupie for.

ilovebeeswarzone

Ditto, from what you said, it show that the RON PAUL PEOPLE
where just playing the same game as defensive over the REPUBLICANS, it was fair game,
because they knew the REPUBLICANS where trying to cut them early on,
one thing we can credit RON PAUL, is he is the only one who did not use attacks similar as the other,
even early on their own CONSERVATIVES CANDIDATES, RON PAUL critic on the other where not as offensive
compare to the others on the suppose same side of the party,
and it brought him in front, for a good while, enough to scare OBAMA AND HIS MEDIA,

ilovebeeswarzone

retire05
I just remind you that justme95 is on the same side of the party which
was aiming to take the lead fairly as they could, and where victim of a screw by the REPUBLICANS ORGANIZATION TO GIVE ALL THE FRONT PAGE TO MITT ROMNEY,
so to put all the chances on as the only contender, which we could understand,
at the time,
but it made THE RON PAUL dedicated followers very angry, with reason too.
so there is no need to know bash , either one, they play their best shot,
it’s finish now,
it’s time to learn not to go too far and demolish your brother behind you, as it was done.
it remain the game of politic, not so clean as it should be,
but cleaner than OBAMA’S GAME

justme95

#1, you show what a clown you are because you automatically assumed that I supported Romney. Those who have been here for awhile… know that Romney… was not my choice. By the time the primaries rolled around in my state (Waaaa), my pick of the litter wasn’t even on the ballot. (Waaaa Waaaa Waaaa) And one of the reason (sob sob) was the lies told about the person (snif snif) I was supporting by Ron Paul (Howl Spit Snort!).

Do you see how ridiculous that looks? If I was to do any crying, which I’m not except in your own little fantasy world, it would be at the total loss of integrity and honestly re: American elections.

The elections are rigged but that only matters when ‘your’ (non-specific ‘you) guy doesn’t win. It matters to me with all elections – even if it was a repub cheated a dem in the elections. Unles the voters demand transparent vote counts, there’s no reason to have elections at all.

As for all those questions you asked me, I never met Paul and I didn’t have to meet him to support him. There are issues I believe in and I looked for the candidate who best supported what I support. That’s called vetting and that’s what I did. I took no cues from the GOP as I had already decided in 2008 with their choice of McNDAACain they were useless and yes, corrupt.
This comment from your 64

You could have saved yourself a lot of time, and effort, typing all your “crooked GOP” crap.

seems to indicate that you don’t believe there any corruption in the GOP, otherwise, why would you make such a statement?
Your personal stories have no influence on me. I’m not that weak-minded. I vet. I look for more than one side to any story. You have a serious grudge against Paul and listening to you reminds of those awful opinion hacks on MSNBC. You continually make false allegations against me and create false narratives, using Goebbel’s tactic of ‘repeat a lie long enough and people will believe it.’ I never said Paul was a saint – you claim that is what I and Paul supporters believe. Any reasonable person would know that wasn’t true, but then I don’t see you as being reasonable.

justme95

Bees, the problem in the GOP continues to be the fight between the neocon/RINO ideology and Liberty/TEA ideology.
There are those who believe in wealth redistribution through the so-called foreign aid program, and those of us who say no aid to any country. I personally do not believe the federal government should be in the charity business. If someone wants to send their money to Israel, let them do it on their own. But for me to say that will be turned around to a statement that I hate Israel. No, I couldn’t care less about Israel – I only care about what is happening to my country.
Then there are those warmongerers who think e need to attack every nation because the ‘pose a threat’. Back in 1812 Canada was a threat to the US. Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex but the neocons buried his concern quickly and created a ‘perpetual warfare’ narrative that too many Republicans can’t let go of. I feel more threatened by the TSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, NSA, EPA, etc than I do by Iran. As far as I know Iran isn’t watching my every move, reading my every blog post or email, or trying to undress or fondle me at the airport. But those things are okay because surrendering my liberties is the patriotic thing to do. It’s all for my safety./sarc
Bees, as the GOP stands now, there is no room for anyone with a difference of opinion.

The Border Patrol has caught illegals walking from Mexico into the USA that were on the known terrorist list. They just have to walk into the USA. Who knows how many have already done this from who knows how many countries. Once they get to Mexico, it’s just a short walk into the USA.

Ditto

What revisionist history? That the Whigs died as a party because they lost their support base? That is true. That the Republican and democrat parties were once minority parties? that too is true.

I’m not sure why you think I hate Ron Paul. I don’t. In fact, I supported him in the 2008 primaries. The fact that I don’t blindly follow and adore him as you do doesn’t equate as “hating him.” Nor does my opinion that he was not a good choice for president mean that I hate him. I didn’t think any of the 2012 primary candidates were good choices, nor am I alone in that belief, considering how many voters stayed home.

Yes I do know what happened in Nevada in this year and in previous election cycles. Ron Paul’s poor treatment by the GOP doesn’t change the fact that at the RNC National Convention Nevada delegates and three of the Arizona delegates were faithless electors who in the roll call (the 1st vote,) instead of voting as they promised (for Romney) they instead voted for Ron Paul.

In the Maine caucus, the prospective delegates are asked whom they support for president. The caucus (straw poll vote is taken and reported to the media) and the results are used to assign delegates based on which candidates they claimed to support. What actually happens is that later in the state convention the attendees decide who will serve as delegates (although as I stated, no delegates were “bound” to any particular candidate. ) Now to the Maine Caucus results: Romney was projected by the media to have 9-11 delegates, Ron Paul was projected to have 8-10 delegates, Rick Santorum 3-4, and Newt Gingrich 1. What happened at the Maine state convention is that Ron Paul was assigned 20 delegates (+1 outside of the convention,) with 3 ex officio party official delegate (1 unpledged, 2 pledged for Romney. Ron Paul supporters took control of the state convention and somehow elected 20 Ron Paul delegates. Other attendees said that the Paul supporters broke convention rules. Lacking inside knowledge of what exactly went on at the Maine convention, it is impossible to comment one way or the other. Disgruntled attendees did predict that some of the Maine delegates would not be seated at the RNC due to the before mentioned rule violations, and that is what happened. I have no doubt that you will say they lied. Do I think the GOP establishment party leadership pulled dirty tricks? Of course they did, they’re progressives! I didn’t support their actions either.

At this point the 2012 primary is history. You can keep beating this dead horse all you want, but Ron Paul is retiring so it is wasted effort. What we need to do is concentrate on what to do to for the future elections to restore the American dream and get rid of the crony-capitalist elite progressive plurality party(s) out and replace them with real Constitutional Statesmen.

justme95

I agree. But whose history? If the prevailing commentary is that GOP Romney ran a clean and fair campaign while ‘Ron Paul supporters = sour grapes’ then we are definitely bound to allow the same tactics to be used again and again against candidates that the electorate wants but the GOP elites’ don’t.This woman wrote a well documented account regarding what happened at the Maine State convention where the delegates were elected. All Maine delegates are unbound and elected at the State convention so there is no ‘x’ amount go to ‘a’, ‘y’ amount go to ‘b’.
After the convention, Charlie Webster, the Maine GOP chairman, was asked if he though the Ron Paul folk highjacked the convention and Webster said, ‘No. The Ron Paul folk do exactly what you do in politics. They got their people to the polls and majority rules…’ The written article doesn’t mention this for whatever reason, but if you watch the end of the video at the link, you can hear him say it. Of course, as history proves, Charlie ‘changed his mind’.

I also agree we ‘need to concentrate on what to do to for the future elections to restore the American dream and get rid of the crony-capitalist elite progressive plurality party(s) out and replace them with real Constitutional Statesmen.’ But we need to educate the masses on the dirty tactics of the progressive GOP (the dims and its supporters are hopeless, IMO) so we can get them thrown out at the next election. This ‘habit’ of holding one’s nose has to stop. Until that happens, we’re going to be stuck with the republicrats.
I am happy that we finally found common ground.

justme95

The border patrol – not the TSA, not the DHS, not the FBI, not the CIA, not the NSA, not the EPA, the border patrol. I say we pull our soldiers out from Germany and stick them on the border, too, where our country really needs defending.
And do I really need to quote Benjamin Franklin again? You know, he who gives up liberty for a little security deserves neither (paraphrased). I prefer Patrick Henry’s simple yet most effective sentence: Give me liberty, or give me death.
I would rather be dead at the hands of my adversary than live in chains and servitude under my own government. Why wouldn’t you?

Smorgasbord

I say we pull our soldiers out from Germany and stick them on the border, too, where our country really needs defending.

I don’t have a problem with putting soldiers on the border, but not bringing all of the troops back to the USA. One reason we have bases around the world is so we can get to anywhere in the world quicker. Imagine another Benghazi, and we have to send troops from the USA. We also told other countries that if they didn’t build up a large military, we would be there to defend them if they are attacked. Imagine if each country was on their own for their defense. Do you think that Russia, Chine, or the different Islamic States would stay within their borders? I don’t think so. The bigger countries would devour the smaller countries. Then, the larger countries would fight it out until there is only one, since they know we won’t worry about them unless they come after us. Then that one HUGE country would come after us.

This has happened two times that eventually led to us getting involved after other countries gained a lot of land. During World War II, we actually sold war goods to Japan and Germany. Since I heard that, I have wondered how many of our boys were killed or wounded with our weapons we sold them.

I would rather be dead at the hands of my adversary than live in chains and servitude under my own government. Why wouldn’t you?

I don’t remember saying I would rather live in chains than die fighting my enemy. Different times I have said that if the government is overthrown, Idaho will be one of the last states to fall. It wouldn’t surprise me if Idaho has more guns per person than any other state. I’m also glad that I live in a state that if I am attacked by someone, there is a good chance that someone nearby has a concealed carry permit, and is packing.

Aqua

If you are going to wish for something to disappear, why not ALL of the politicians?

Did you read my letter to Santa? In another thread somewhere, Greg wrote that he was content to watch the GOP self-destruct. I don’t think he realizes that there are a bunch of republicans that are just as content to do the same. Most of them suck as much as the democrats.

ilovebeeswarzone

Smorgasbord
you make a lot of sense explaining it,
as usual.
the part which confuse me is the support to the rebels in SYRIA,
THE SUPPORT OF THE REBELS IN LYBIA THEN, AND THE SUPPORT IN EGYPT THEN AND NOW THE SUPPORT IN MORSI AND BROTHERHOOD AND THE SUPPORT OF TURKEY WHO JUST ACCUSE ISRAEL OF TERRORIST AFTER HAMAS SEND THEM HUNDREDS OF THOSE ROCKETS,
AND THE SUPPORT OF KARZEI WHO HAD DEMONIZE OUR TROOPS FOR KILLING TALIBANS WHICH HE WANT TO TALK
TO THEM NOW, AND I cannot stand his arrogance
and that put my approval to what justme95 mentioned, he was making the difference between the wrong support and the one to fight with a bomb in their cheminey for
HOW ABOUT CHRISTMAS,

Smorgasbord

I don’t have a problem with that. That would allow the Tea Partiers to back people like former military to run for congress. The sooner they fall, the sooner we can get the ones in congress that we should have had all along.

Most of them suck as much as the democrats.

That would take a lot of sucking to out suck the democrats. They are like black holes. What goes in, doesn’t EVER come out.

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@ilovebeeswarzone: #77
Most of the foreign aid is not for the people of the country the aid is sent to. One example is many years ago 20/20 or a show like it did a story of a factory we paid for in another country. The building had to be built by a designated US contractor, so they got their cut, so they are happy. The dictator of the country got his cut, so he is happy. The workers that were employed by the contractor got paid for their work, so they are happy. The politicians got their donations from the contractor who built the building, so they are happy. After the building was finished, the reporter was flying over it and showing a very nice modern factory. At the end of his report he mentioned that the area the factory was built does’t have any electricity. There is stuff like this going on all over the world.

You also have to keep in mind which countries obama is making friends with and which ones he is shunning. This is why I say that obama doesn’t want the USA to be a free country. He wants to turn it into an Islamic State, or a socialist State. I will guess the Islamic State. The below video told me what his intentions are for the USA the first time I heard him say it. Anyone who can watch it and think he has the interest of the USA at heart is helping him with his agenda.

If a civilian security force is such a great idea, why isn’t the propaganda media pushing it? I have asked different times for ANY liberal to comment on his statement, but not one of them ever has. They have so much to say about so many other useless things, in my opinion, but not his statements here. Why? Simple question for you liberals: Why do you think obama needs a civilian security force as strong as, and equally funded as the military? Can any of you please answer it? You want us to answer ALL of your questions?

Ditto

One thing that needs to be done to reform the election system is Caucus states need to be changed to primaries systems so that each party member’s vote will mean something. The Caucus system is too rife for dirty tricks and manipulation. Maine’s “caucus system” is the stupidest, most disenfranchising cluster-f*ck I’ve seen, and Nevada’s caucus/convention system is not much better. It seems to me that the purpose of a Caucus system is so that only a minority (of the party at large,) can “star chamber” who that state’s delegates will go to. The “winner takes all” should also be done away with for primary and presidential elections. It disenfranchises the voters in giving the majority winner delegates they don’t deserve that rightly should belong to an opponent. It is also how the blue states heavily democratic metropolitan center districts can run roughshod over the districts. Allowing “Winner take all” in the presidential elections is not in following with how the Constitution calls for the electors to vote and be counted:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

Ditto

If you are going to wish for something to disappear, why not ALL of the politicians?

Santa will never go for that. (He doesn’t want them either). But it’s nice to dream.

One reason we have bases around the world is so we can get to anywhere in the world quicker.

Exactly! It’s called staging, where you ensure fueling, service layovers and supply routes. The logistics of having to build a new infrastructure for these needs as they arise are nightmarish and even more expensive then simply retaining a small presence. although I agree that 11 bases on one island is ridiculous and they should be consolidated when possible. Multiple branches of the military can operate out of one base if it is managed sensibly. (It also aids in both camaraderie and friendly competition between neighboring servicemen.)

ilovebeeswarzone

Ditto
yes the chosen CANDIDATES, should reveal themselves by themselves,
not being vetted by their other CANDIDATE BROTHER AND SISTER OF THE SAME PARTY,
IT ALREADY BRING TO THE PUBLIC VERY BAD FEELINGS ON ALL OF THEM,
AND EVEN USE THE PUBLICITY PACK TO DEMONIZE THEIR OWN, IS TO DEMONIZE THEIR PARTY BY THE SAME TOKEN AND PLANT DOUBTS INTO THE PUBLIC,
some where more vicious than some from
opposed party at times,
like wounding the CANDIDATE BEFORE HE FACE WITH THE REAL OPPONENT, WHICH
IS OUT TO KILL HIM WITH HIS SNAKE VENOM EVEN BEFORE THEY FACES IN THE DEBATES,
OBAMA HAD NO ONE IN HIS PARTY TO DEMONIZE HIM, THEY ALL MADE HIM SO PURE,
they all SHOW DISHONESTY ALONG WITH THEIR FAITHFUL MEDIAS INSTEAD AND UNWORTHY TO BE RE ELECTED ALL OF THEM DEMOCRAT, OF ONE UNIVERSAL MIND,
EVEN IF THEY HATE EACH OTHER, THEY SHOW UNITY ALL TOGETHER AND don’t have the guts to stand in front of
THE PEOPLE TO EXPOSE THE WRONG OF THEIR PARTY ,
LIKE THE CONSERVATIVES DO TO THEMSELVES A BIT TOO MUCH AT TIME,
THE DEMOCRAT HAVE NO DESIRE TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE, IT IS OBVIOUS NOW WITH THE LOST OF ETHIC IN DISCUSSION ON THE FISCAL CLIFF, THEY SHOW NO WILL TO GIVE THE ENTITLEMENTS PRICEY AND WASTE OF MONEY COMING FROM THE PEOPLE
AND MORE IMPOSITION OF THEIR RULES ON THE TOLERANT AMERICANS, THE UNION’S STYLE,
THE COMMUNIST STYLE KILLING THE ONCE PRIDE OF THIS NATION,

ilovebeeswarzone

Smorgasbord
the BENGHASI ATTACK KILLING FOUR DEDICATED AMERICANS, HAS SHOWN A BIG GAP IN WHAT KIND OF AID IS CHOSEN TO BE DISTRIBUTED, FROM THE LEADERSHIP.
IT HAS SHOWN OF THEIR PREFERENCAL SPENDING ROUTES,
WHICH ARE NOT ALL SEEN AMERICAN PREFERENCES BUT PERSONAL PREFERENCES OF OBAMA
AND SHOULD BE VERY CAREFULLY EVALUATES BEFORE IT RUIN TOTALY
THE PEOPLE SO TOLERANT OF THIS USA, UNDER CONTROL OF PEOPLE WHICH SHOULD BE MADE TO ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTION,FROM THE CONGRESS AND SENATORS, BEFORE GIVING THEM THE PURSE WITH UNLIMITED SPENDING CAPACITY.

The US expansion of military bases is not unlike what the Romans did – only now we do it with permission. This idea of ‘exporting democracy’ is just a rewording of Trotsky’s ‘exporting the revolution’. It’s how the neocons get away with their warmongering. But I don’t think you see that. It seems to me that you see that America’s strength lies with her military prowess, where I see her strength in her founding principles of limited government, non-interventionism (George Washington’s ‘avoid entangling alliances’), free trade with all, and respect of individual sovereignty.

This post is about the death of the GOP. I believe it’s the neocons/RINOs who destroyed it. But a lot of people who comment on this blog are neocons – Bees said it well when she referred to the support of the so-called rebels in Syria, Libya, Egypt, Turkey and especially the support of Karzai – who the govt basically installed. And I would love to know the neocons who comment here opinion on ‘blowback’. Does it even exist or is there just outright agression towards the US because they ‘hate our freedom’? What freedom? I can’t send an email without it being filed away forever by the NSA. I can’t walk down a street without some camera watching my every move. Our cell phones are chipped so our locations are always known. The DHS has a huge list of words that are marked that if used might mean you’re a terrorist – words like ‘cell’ and ‘drill’. Returning soldiers are ‘potential terrorists’. ‘Constitutionalists’ are harrassed. Free speech is dead. Our 4th Amendment gone. The NDAA vaporized the 6th Amendment. States rights? What the heck is that? All because of the warmongering and ‘need’ to defend America from ‘terrorists’. America is a battlefield and on the battlefield there are no rights for the enemy – and the enemy is We the People – unless we accept the tyranny of the TSA, DHS etc. One can’t have it both ways. Military mights descends to local law enforcement who begin to use those tactics – we see that already with police across the country buying and using drones.

Perhaps my views are all wrong. Perhaps the police state our country is devolving into has nothing to do with with the push for military presence and intervention in sovereign nations. Perhaps the trillions of dollars of debt we accumulated to be a ‘super militaristic power’ and prosecute all the wars and ‘adventures’ has all been worth it.

But I don’t think so. And it’s my opinions that have been disallowed in the Republican Party. The GOP is just another collectivist organization where all mind must march in lock-step. War with Syria! War with Iran!

And I went up there, I said, “Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.” And I started jumpin up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL,” and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”
– Arlo Guthrie – Alice’s Restaurant

Redteam

@justme95: You said a lot, but so you don’t misunderstand my views, first I’m not a neocon. But America has to have military bases overseas. We can’t wait for a 9/11 type thing to think about what is going on elsewhere. We have to be able to respond to hot spots when it’s needed. I don’t support the rebels in all those countries you mentioned. I believe kadaffi should have been left alone in Libya. Now look at the crap we have there. I don’t care if China is buying up property in Australia, or Cambodia. I remember 20 years ago when Japan was buying America. We came out ahead because of it. The GOP is not going anywhere, it will just have to gain some conservs from the Dim party and give them some of the lefties from the GOP. It has only been a few years ago that the Dims were dying. Well they are splintering quite a bit right now because the are not ‘left’ enoughl. It’ll sort itself out, it always does. While there are a lot of people that want to be on the dole, most do not. Most want the ability to work, make money and improve themselves. It’s one thing to have public transportation, free cell phone and a cheap house and bed to sleep in but it’s a whole different thing to have a huge Chevy Suburban or luxury Lexus, an Iphone/Ipad, and a mansion with 20 rooms to live in. Nobody is shooting for the cellar, I hope. Some will be content to sleep there.

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@Ditto: #80
As long as we have an election system where the ones running for office need to have a lot of money, the ones with the money will always get what they want. The way we elect politicians has to be changed.

Smorgasbord

I didn’t know that we had an island with 11 bases on it. My son is in the Air Force, and was based in Iceland at a Navy base that didn’t have any ships. They fly sub hunting missions.

I know we have a lot of bases in the USA that the military doesn’t want, but the politicians keep voting to keep them (You vote for my base and I will vote for yours). I remember one time the politicians made the military buy six Lear jets. They weren’t going to use them, and had to find a place to keep them. We need to get the politicians out of military decision making. The only ones who should decide where military bases are, and what is purchased, is the military. How many bases do we have around the world because politicians want them there, but aren’t needed.

ilovebeeswarzone

I just finish to watch the HILLBILLY HAND FISHING SHOW,
THIS IS A RESORT PLACE, FOR TOURIST,
It was the funniest show I ever saw, from OKLAHOMA THE RED RIVER,
THEY HAVE A BIG CAMP ALL NATURAL WOOD AND BEAUTIFULLY BUILD
EVEN RICHLY CONFORTABLE the two guys taking the tourist 6 of them
from different STATES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE LIFESTYLE ALSO
WHO NEVER WENT HAND FISHING IN THEIR LIFE,
IT IS ALL ON CAMERA AND FANTASTICLY NATURAL AND
THEY ARE HAVING THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES,
THEY WILL NEVER FORGET,
a real fishing experience on 3 different days,
a must go for a super vacation,

ilovebeeswarzone

Redteam
if they where ask
the TSA would be happy to oblige,they are unionize,
just like all the GOVERNMENT employees
just like any other union member,
yes they would become a sudden OWN OBAMA ARMY.
LOOK AT THEIR WORK FOR THE ELECTION,
ONE top guy SAID THEY HAD 40 THOUSAND WORKING ON IT.
he did not start them but they started him,

Redteam

@ilovebeeswarzone: The TSA was started for a good reason. That quickly went to hell. I was one of the first crews hired back in 02. We were told that we could never unionize. Don’t know how that got changed. I didn’t stay with them very long. it didn’t take long for it to get very political. I’m not for a civilian security force.

Smorgasbord

It seems to me that you see that America’s strength lies with her military prowess, where I see her strength in her founding principles of limited government, non-interventionism….

I see it both ways. Without a strong military that goes after those who we know are trying to defeat us, we will slowly be defeated. If you live in an area where you know of a gang that is going to attack your house, you don’t want to wait until they attack. You want a strong police department that can come and do the fighting for you.

I feel the same way with America’s enemies. Waiting until they attack us (remember 9/11) doesn’t work. Bill Clinton not doing anything when we were attacked in different places around the world, only made our enemy more bold, and it allowed him to brag to others that we were afraid of him, and more people joined his ranks, and more are joining all the time.

I can’t walk down a street without some camera watching my every move.

I personally wouldn’t mind living in an area where cameras are all over the place. If someone does something to me that I don’t want them to, I want it on camera. I learned a long time ago to ASSUME someone is watching me, and I don’t do anything I wouldn’t mind being recorded. When you grow up in small town USA, even when you don’t think someone is watching, someone who knows you might, by chance, be looking your way where you can’t see them.

Our cell phones are chipped so our locations are always known.

My location service was turned off when I bought the phone. In case you didn’t know it, you can turn it off.

Military mights descends to local law enforcement who begin to use those tactics – we see that already with police across the country buying and using drones.

The police have been using helicopters for years to go after bad guys. Thanks to military technology, they can see a fugitive’s finger at night that was sticking out from behind cover. Are you OK with helicopters? If so, are you willing to keep paying the high price to keep them in the air? Drones do the same things as helicopters, but cost a lot less. The only reason a police drone (or helicopter) or helicopter would notice you is if you are doing something that draws their attention to you.

Perhaps the trillions of dollars of debt we accumulated to be a ‘super militaristic power’ and prosecute all the wars and ‘adventures’ has all been worth it.

I believe the debt is planned, and that it will lead to massive inflation, and will lead to riots around the country, and obama will say that he has to declare martial law. Once that happens, the things you are fearful of now, will come to pass. Be ready.

Ditto

You want a strong police department that can come and do the fighting for you.

The police will rarely ever get there in time to do the fighting for you unless they just coincidentally happen to be in the area. Average response time tends to be 10-40 min, assuming you are able to call for help. That is the reason why we have a second amendment, to protect our persons from the government and other dangers. Then comes hunting.

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The police will rarely ever get there in time to do the fighting for you unless they just coincidentally happen to be in the area. Average response time tends to be 10-40 min, assuming you are able to call for help. That is the reason why we have a second amendment, to protect our persons from the government and other dangers.

What I meant was that if you know of an imminent danger, you can call the police. You don’t want to fight them off yourself. You call the police so that they can be there if the gang comes. Our military is the same way. I don’t want them sitting here in the USA waiting for the enemy to attack. If the enemy knows we won’t come after them, they can keep taking over other countries like they are now. They aren’t doing it through force. They are infiltrating the countries schools, churches, governments, civic organizations, news media, etc. We have done, and are doing the same thing in other countries. It only stands to reason that others are doing it to us. The problem is that it is working. Why do you think the propaganda media is for the liberals and against the conservatives?

You want a strong police department that can come and do the fighting for you.

No I don’t. I want my 2nd Amendment rights preserved.

I learned a long time ago to ASSUME someone is watching me, and I don’t do anything I wouldn’t mind being recorded.

That is the saddest comment I’ve ever read on FA. It’s pathetic. Did you also read 1984 and think it a wonderful fairy tale?

My location service was turned off when I bought the phone.

My point was that they shouldn’t be doing this at all.

Drones do the same things as helicopters, but cost a lot less.

Is this is a joke? You know they’ll soon be armed. It’s apparent you don’t give a crap about the innocents in foreign countries that are murdered by these things, and I think it’s safe to say you won’t care how many innocent Americans are killed by them, either.

…the things you are fearful of now, will come to pass.

I’m not afraid of what I know will come to pass. America will fall. There will be bloodshed. I knew that a long time ago.
I will tell you this, I was pretty much repulsed by your entire 93. You don’t have the slightest idea about what our founders were trying to do when they created America. The word ‘liberty’ is lost on you.