You knew it was coming....

Here it is, and it's just the beginning. They are playing for keeps. We have to speak with one loud voice. Every last one of us. Write your representatives now. Do it over and over and over and over. Don't think that they can't get it done or that it's unconstitutional or that you'll wait it out. They ARE DOING IT! They DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. When they take your guns, and they will, what will stop them from taking anything else they want? What they teach you in school is not accurate. The system of checks and balances is more than Executive, Judicial and Legislative. It is Executive, Judicial and Legislative and "WE THE PEOPLE" - the most important branch of the government! The Official braches are all out of control...our control. It is " WE THE PEOPLE" who keep the balance of power. Once our power (GUNS) is gone, we have lost. Without resistance any corrupt government will abuse its power. Do you think our government isn't corrupt and abusive? Look at what they're doing now and we still have guns. Sit on your hands, wait for someone else to win the fight for you. When the disarmament is complete wait and see what other liberties disappear. Make phone calls. Write your representatives. Educate people who don't know any better. Get others involved Please.

Forward or send to every gun owner you know.....
Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin,
Author Gun Laws of America Jan. 5, 2008

Gun-ban list proposed

Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats
have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when
they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress).
It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce
shortly.

I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity,
It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies,20firearms
dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've
made little mention of criminals.

Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun
bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process,
confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and
more, in addition to the Second Amendment.

The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine20and has (i) a
folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip
(which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a
forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles).

A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine,

and has (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel
shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pis tol grip,
and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more
than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a
pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable

magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a
shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will:

Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic
rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or

a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly
suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General." Note

that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for

Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you
have no right to have a working firearm in your own home.

In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable
presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or

any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting

purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable
for sporting purposes s olely because the firearm is suitable for use in a
sporting event."

In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal
officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a
sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that

devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement
with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by
domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause
of disarming the innocent.

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Friendly, Don't Fire!

January 27, 2009, 05:51 PM

Oh well.

I voted the other way, don't blame me.

Colt Smith

January 27, 2009, 06:42 PM

Are you serious? Please tell me you're joking.

AllAmerican

January 27, 2009, 07:06 PM

Yawn...

rondog

January 27, 2009, 07:21 PM

So, is there any meat (proof) behind this, or is this just another crock of hooey from the rumor mills?

ccsniper

January 27, 2009, 08:05 PM

i already write my reps all the time,

owlhoot

January 27, 2009, 09:58 PM

Folks, you may "ho hum" this if you wish, but it is the plan that the administration will be pushing. You all need to let your reps in D.C. know that you oppose any infringement on the RTKABA. AND JOIN THE NRA!

Bubba613

January 27, 2009, 10:26 PM

Aw geez not this again.
There are plans for all kinds of things. It does not mean it will get any traction.
I swear, the gun orgs are behind about half this panic so they can get more members and contributions.

hso

January 27, 2009, 11:35 PM

This is an "FYI" with no clear plan of action. Preaching to choir isn't going to accomplish much. How will you get others involved so that new voices are added to those who already write and post and call?

metallic

January 28, 2009, 12:07 AM

Any truth to this? Seems like this would fly in the face of Heller.

evan price

January 29, 2009, 09:19 PM

This is just HR1022 all over again. Unless you can point to CURRENT SPECIFIC LEGISLATION that needs our attention, please STOP posting this sky-is-falling items. This was the list three years ago. Sure, it may still be the list later but until there is a clear threat just reposting this crap is not helping anyone.

vulturez

January 31, 2009, 08:57 PM

I find it amazing that people on this thread consider this a "red herring". If anyone has paid attention, the "libs" have always encroached upon the 2nd Amendment rights of the people. Because someone posted this list (courtesy of Carolyn McCarthy) doesn't mean it can't or won't happen AGAIN. It is without a doubt going to happen under this new time of "hope and change". Therefore it is only prudent to be proactive instead of reactive.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

JImbothefiveth

January 31, 2009, 09:25 PM

This is an "FYI" with no clear plan of action.

I disagree

Forward or send to every gun owner you know.....

If more gun owners knew about this, it could increase the amount of people who join the NRA, encourage people to contact their congress-critter, etc.

Byron Quick

February 1, 2009, 10:55 AM

Write or contact representative and Senators with courteous emails, letters,and phone calls stating that you are their constituent, that you support the 2nd Amendment as well as the Heller Supreme Court decision if you feel the need for action.

Do NOT write about bills that have not reached the House or the Senate. Many bills that various special interests groups are lobbying for NEVER reach the floor. Probably most of them. Contacts from you complaining about non-existent bills will simply get your email deleted time it is recognized, your letter thrown in the circular file and counted under the category 'nutcase,' and your phone call terminated by "I'm sorry, I've got another call coming in. I have to go." Click.

Join a state RKBA organiztion and volunteer. Join the NRA, the GOA, and the JPFO.

If more gun owners knew about this, it could increase the amount of people who join the NRA, encourage people to contact their congress-critter, etc.
_

If you must forward it to other gun owners please append my comments. You may do so with my name attached as long as what I have posted is appended in full and without modification. Having gun owners contact them about bills that have not gotten sponsors or co-sponsors is contacting them about bills that may never reach their chambers. Doing so could well have a negative effect on their attitudes that we would not care for.

I believe it is time to mobilize. I believe some form of an AWB will be introduced. And all gun owners need to fight it. But we must fight smart. A loud, frothing roar will do nothing but convince them the stereotypes of gun owners is correct. That must be avoided. Even angry disagreement over a Congressman's actions should be conveyed in a very calm and civil manner. And many of them have longer memories for what they view as slights than they do for kudos. If one ticks you off that badly-don't get mad, get even. Volunteer for the person running against them in the next election and help kick the man who angered you so much out of office.

X-Rap

February 1, 2009, 12:17 PM

Denial is what will beat us all. The collaborators have always waited in the wings throughout history and it is no different now.
In this great time of change some seem to believe that the freedom haters have stopped their quest for the good of the country or something.
Rest assured we gun owners will have to push the limits of our imagination to fathom the limit of their leglislation.

Steven Youngblood

February 1, 2009, 01:07 PM

I hear ya.
They have reintroduced hr 45, on 1-6-09
they never stop, and we should not either.
here was one of my letters to the congress and senate, via congress.org
Instead of a bill to limit my rights under the constitution such as HR 45, how about a bill to protect the constitution. Something to the effect that these rights will not be infringed upon.
OH that’s right it already does! How about just enforce it and forbid any bill or resolution that seeks to directly or indirectly circumvent the original law!
That means no registration, under penalty of prosecution from the law, no restrictions on ammunition, under prosecution, and no bans under threat of prosecution of the law.
When you make these laws and limit the rights of free people, you turn ordinary, law-abiding people into criminals.
How would you feel if tomorrow morning, you woke up and found that over night someone passed an amendment hidden in a bill that required you to have a masters degree in engineering, in order to drive a car, and if you did not have that degree, by the prescribed time you will face prison, and your child was just taken by a man in a van and you could stop him if you use your car?
So now what do you do? Use the car and surly go to prison after saving your daughter, who will be placed in a state run home because you are going to prison? Or do you obey the law and watch the van drive off? You could do what the government wants you to do and call 911, of course by the time you get to a phone the van will be miles away and by the time the police arrive, your daughter will be raped and perhaps dead, but they will be able to take a report and call you when they find the body.
I am a victim of crimes and know first hand, criminals will cut the phone wires and break in to your home while the alarm goes off. The police only show up after the criminals are gone.
My home in Memphis was robbed 3 times, the doors were locked, the alarm was on, there were bars on the doors and windows, the police took a report each time, and after 4 years no one has ever been caught.
No matter what laws you come up with, I will never surrender my side arm or my right to have one and I will not tolerate any restrictions on my second amendment rights.
I am a vet and paid my dues to keep my rights, what dues did you pay that allows you to take them away?
P.S. I no longer live in Memphis, crime was out of control, the police are to busy running drugs and prostitutes to tunica, to chase the criminals.
If you don't believe me check the news for the last 10 years.
When you ban guns only criminals will have guns.

Marcus84

February 2, 2009, 03:28 AM

Would Harry Reid even let an AWB discussion on the floor? Isn't he pro fun?

JImbothefiveth

February 2, 2009, 09:01 AM

there shall be a rebuttable
presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or

any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting

purposes,
No more 870s, mossberg 500 or 590s, or 1100s. and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable
for sporting purposes s olely because the firearm is suitable for use in a
sporting event."
So just because it's sporting, doesn't mean it's sporting?

Do NOT write about bills that have not reached the House or the Senate.
Very good advice.

model67a

March 11, 2009, 07:15 AM

http://mixedink.com/GovTrackUs/111Hr45Against

This site is in the process of composing a collective letter to be sent to congress opposing the passage of HR 45. You may want to check this out as well as checking out HR 17 and HR 197. "We hang together, or surely we will hang separately" B. Franklin stay safe

hso

March 11, 2009, 10:35 AM

Hand written letters to individual politicians carry more weight than mass mailings.

Do NOT just add your name to a list. Write a letter. Use the letter in the mass mailing or petition, but write a letter and mail it if you want to have more influence.

If you want to make a real difference, travel to their offices and introduce yourself as a constituent. Explain that this is just a little of the effort that you're willing to put into this issue and that come primary and election time you'll be happy to put in more, depending upon how they treat the issue.

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