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Hey Remington....

First, I wanted to complement you on your new avatar, it's really sweet. Did you get it from some of your kinfolk in W.Va.? In light of your newfound sensitivity, I was wondering what you thought of these posters being placed on D.C. Metro stations and busses?

Personally, I agree Christmas is becoming a bit too commercial, though I'm not sure an aetheist ought to care. And I thought the black Santa idea was genius, since so many of the residents of our nation's capitol think of Obama as a jovial Santa bearing gifts. What do you think?

Edwords said the purpose isn’t to argue that God doesn’t exist or change minds about a deity, although “we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people’s minds.”

The group defines humanism as “a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism, affirms our responsibility to lead ethical lives of value to self and humanity.”

Yeah ....whatever. "Edwords said the purpose isn’t to argue that God doesn’t exist or change minds about a deity, although" . What a bunch of B.S. .

These statements always remind when people say. I am not racist ..but. As if their qualification of the opinion they are about to give cannot be defined by it's obvious intent.

Any rational, intelligent person can see what their agenda is. They hate anything that brings other people joy. If they truly felt alone and disenfranchised during the holiday (holy day) season, they should get a cat. Are they putting up anti-ramadan posters to thwart the islamic holy days ....no. Are they protesting the Taoist hungry ghost festival ...no.
Just Christianity and Christianity alone do they have a problem with. Why?

I find it hilarious that these atheists, the same ones that claim there is no God, are so mad at Him. How can you be so angry with someone who isn;t there? I thought atheists and agnostics valued rational thought..

Here is peak into the minds of these Humanist "freethinkers" as defined by their hero and Hitler's, ... Friedrich Nietzsche. It is a paper from Berkeley of all places on the influence of Nietzsche's writing on humanist religion. BTW they hate it when you call their spiel religion. Especially when they are trashing yours.

There was some ground for this appropriation of Nietzsche as one of the originators of the Nazi Weltanschauung. Had not the philosopher thundered against democracy and parliaments, preached the will to power, praised war and proclaimed the coming of the master race and the superman--and in the most telling aphorisms? A Nazi could proudly quote him on almost every conceivable subject, and did. On Christianity: "the one great curse, the one enormous and innermost perversion... I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind.... This Christianity is no more than the typical teaching of the Socialists." On the State, power, and the jungle world of man: "Society has never regarded virtue as anything other than as a means to strength, power, and order. The State [is] unmorality organized... the will to war, to conquest and revenge... Society is not entitled to exist for its own sake but only as a substructure and scaffolding by means of which a select race of beings may elevate themselves to their higher duties... There is no such thing as the right to live, the right to work, or the right to be happy: in this respect man is no different from the meanest worm." (Women, whom Nietzsche never had, he consigned to a distinctly inferior status, as did the Nazis, who decreed that their place was in the kitchen and their chief role in life to beget children for German warriors. Nietzsche put the idea this way: "Man shall be trained for war and woman for the procreation of the warrior. All else is folly." He went further. In Thus Spake Zarathustra he exclaims: "Thou goest to woman? Do not forget thy whip!"...) And he exalted the superman as the beast of prey, "the magnificent blond brute, avidly rampant for spoil and victory."

BTW the movie Golden Compass(which I am sure will be out again soon) was an agnostic humanist response to C.S. Lewis' Narnia. The writer of Golden Compass Philip Pullman is also heavily influenced by Nietzshe. So here again is an example of another quiet movement out to subvert American tradition in particular America's Christian tradition.

Ignorant hypocrites one and all.

Merry Christmas ,
Kevin

Last edited by K.Bullock; 11-16-2008 at 07:36 PM.
Reason: spelling...clarity you name it

Yeah ....whatever. "Edwords said the purpose isnít to argue that God doesnít exist or change minds about a deity, although" . What a bunch of B.S. .

These statements always remind when people say. I am not racist ..but. As if their qualification of the opinion they are about to give cannot be defined by it's obvious intent.

Any rational, intelligent person can see what their agenda is. They hate anything that brings other people joy. If they truly felt alone and disenfranchised during the holiday (holy day) season, they should get a cat. Are they putting up anti-ramadan posters to thwart the islamic holy days ....no. Are they protesting the Taoist hungry ghost festival ...no.
Just Christianity and Christianity alone do they have a problem with. Why?

I find it hilarious that these atheists, the same ones that claim there is no God, are so mad at Him. How can you be so angry with someone who isn;t there? I thought atheists and agnostics valued rational thought..

Here is peak into the minds of these Humanist "freethinkers" as defined by their hero and Hitler's, ... Friedrich Nietzsche. It is a paper from Berkeley of all places on the influence of Nietzsche's writing on humanist religion. BTW they hate it when you call their spiel religion. Especially when they are trashing yours.

BTW the movie Golden Compass(which I am sure will be out again soon) was an agnostic humanist response to C.S. Lewis' Narnia. The writer of Golden Compass Philip Pullman is also heavily influenced by Nietzshe. So here again is an example of another quiet movement out to subvert American tradition in particular America's Christian tradition.

Ignorant hypocrites one and all.

Merry Christmas ,
Kevin

Personally, I try not to make too many generalized assumptions about people's religions. I've known and worked with Christians ranging from deeply religious evangelicals to atheists attending Christian churches out of habit. In every group I've met people who were truly loving and joyful and people who were mean and hateful. I can say the same about people I know who are Jews, Hindus, Muslims, and even atheists. Branding someone based on their label is the worst form of prejudice because it prevents you from ever discovering what the person is actually like. In my church, you are as likely to hear readings from the Koran or the Vedas as from the Bible. However, I have never once heard the readings of Nietzsche. For what it's worth, about 1/3 of the members of my church identify themselves as Christian, 1/4 identify themselves as atheist or agnostic, and the rest identify themselves with a wide range of differing religious traditions.

Personally, I try not to make too many generalized assumptions about people's religions. I've known and worked with Christians ranging from deeply religious evangelicals to atheists attending Christian churches out of habit.

Cool, so then it would be a big deal if I started putting posters up about how humanism played a role in Hitler's regime. And is responsible for one of the most depraved atrocities of the 20th century. ...see where I am going?

Originally Posted by YardleyLabs

In every group I've met people who were truly loving and joyful and people who were mean and hateful. I can say the same about people I know who are Jews, Hindus, Muslims, and even atheists. Branding someone based on their label is the worst form of prejudice because it prevents you from ever discovering what the person is actually like.

Agreed soo... what's up with the posters? Why would you support singling out a group based on a broad generalization? Why are our symbols and traditions so offensive?

Originally Posted by YardleyLabs

In my church, you are as likely to hear readings from the Koran or the Vedas as from the Bible. However, I have never once heard the readings of Nietzsche. For what it's worth, about 1/3 of the members of my church identify themselves as Christian, 1/4 identify themselves as atheist or agnostic, and the rest identify themselves with a wide range of differing religious traditions.

You have that right, and I would defend your right to practice your religion in peace. That's your business. ....right?

So why is it acceptable to attack Christians?

*unrelated i think...but still out of curiosity. Are Unitarians Monotheistic?
And if so , by Unitarian Universalist, does that mean that you see One God in all religions? Does that explain the use of several holy books in your church?

*edit Today at 07:33 AM. I beat you to it*

To quote the Rev. Marta Flanagan, "We uphold the free search for truth. We will not be bound by a statement of belief. We do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed. We say ours is a non-creedal religion. Ours is a free faith."

Although we uphold shared principles, individual Unitarian Universalists have varied beliefs about everything from scripture to rituals to God.

Originally Posted by YardleyLabs

likely to hear readings from the Koran or the Vedas

Hmm ...so who kills the Halal beef? And do they come back as a beef ? If so, is it possible that they knew the person that they are now eating as halal beef? If this takes off, our war with terror could be over. just kidding it is getting late.

While Jon Stewart is funny - to a point - he does not wear well - so would not use something he said as the standard. But I will try to present an analogy.

Everyone's probably somewhat familiar with the BELL CURVE. The peak is the center of everyone's knowledge. You notice it is not a sharp peak but is more gradual with a known high center.

Now comes the good part - those to the left of that peak on the BELL CURVE are considered inferior regarding cognizant abilities & those to the right of that peak are considered superior regarding cognizant abilities. While many of the forum posters fall into that gradual transition on either side there are also those who are far below that either side.

That's the analogy? The left other than Jeff have very little original posting, instead preferring to rely on canned responses from uninformed sources while the right actually do respond with original thought. Disclaimer: I don't always agree with what is posted by the right but it is original and indicates a thought process.

Everyone have a nice day! It looks like the prevailing sentiment by the POTUS elect (left side of the BC) is to bail the automakers & the unions out for their looting of the American consumer. I would have preferred to see bankruptcy declared. The airlines did it & are operating fairly well now in a very volatile market place.

While Jon Stewart is funny - to a point - he does not wear well - so would not use something he said as the standard. But I will try to present an analogy.

Everyone's probably somewhat familiar with the BELL CURVE. The peak is the center of everyone's knowledge. You notice it is not a sharp peak but is more gradual with a known high center.

Now comes the good part - those to the left of that peak on the BELL CURVE are considered inferior regarding cognizant abilities & those to the right of that peak are considered superior regarding cognizant abilities. While many of the forum posters fall into that gradual transition on either side there are also those who are far below that either side.

That's the analogy? The left other than Jeff have very little original posting, instead preferring to rely on canned responses from uninformed sources while the right actually do respond with original thought. Disclaimer: I don't always agree with what is posted by the right but it is original and indicates a thought process.

Everyone have a nice day! It looks like the prevailing sentiment by the POTUS elect (left side of the BC) is to bail the automakers & the unions out for their looting of the American consumer. I would have preferred to see bankruptcy declared. The airlines did it & are operating fairly well now in a very volatile market place.

You may have a point there Marvin. A good example is Hannity and Colmes. The libz will hammer Fox as bias using Hannity as an example, when someone says there is a counter named Colmes on the same show, they have some sort of negative comment toward him as if he is inferior somehow at his job. The funny part is that Colmes delivers the same talking points that we hear from all of the dims, including the ones I see posted on these, and many other, forums.