It will allow him to count one more optional result (2 if he does the same for Miami) : at the moment he can only count 3 of them because of 4 zeropointers for not playing last year despite the commitment to playing 4 ATP500 tournaments in a year for a top-30 player.

I think it's a good choice to get two more optional results and take a rest between the indoor season and the clay season (with the Davis cup tie in Argentina first) where his injuries have seldom allowed him to compete well.

It will allow him to count one more optional result (2 if he does the same for Miami) : at the moment he can only count 3 of them because of 4 zeropointers for not playing last year despite the commitment to playing 4 ATP500 tournaments in a year for a top-30 player.

Duong I don't get your first point. Could u reexplain this story of "optional result"?

duong

02-08-2013, 08:56 AM

Duong I don't get your first point. Could u reexplain this story of "optional result"?

in the ranking points of a player there are normally 18 mandatory results : 4 slams + 8 mandatory Masters 1000 tournaments (MonteCarlo is optional) + 6 "optional results", that is results got in other tournaments which are optional, like ATP500 or ATP250 tournaments or challengers or futures or Davis cup or Monte-Carlo.

But for players whose ranking is not high enough to enter directly in a mandatory Masters 1000 tournament (or a grand slam), if they don't play that Masters 1000 tournament, they can count 1 more optional result for every Masters 1000 tournament they miss.

Monfils is in that case for Indian Wells and Miami of a player whose ranking is not high enough to enter directly into the main draw (he's only an alternate), that is in the case of a player who can count one more optional result if he doesn't play that tournament in the end. If he finally got in as an alternate or a wild-card or a qualifier, he would have to give up this supplementary optional result.

He already got one more optional result because his ranking was not high enough to enter Paris-Bercy, that is he theoretically already can count 7 optional results instead of 6.

But Monfils's problem is that instead of 7 optional results, he only can count 3 of them at the moment because of another rule which says that a top-30 player has to play 4 ATP500 tournaments in a calendar year, whereas Monfils couldn't play any of them last year because of his injury. And this has the stupid consequence that those 4 ATP500 results that he should have played are replaced by 4 "zero point" which he will not be able to replace with a not-null result until july (2 of them) and october (2 of them).

The consequence is that Monfils can only count 7-4=3 optional results from ATP500 and ATP250 tournaments at the moment. Which has the consequence at the moment that he can't count his 45 points from Bangklok and his 20 points from Montpellier. And his points from Rotterdam and MArseilles will only count if they are superior to 45 points.

If he skips Indian Wells and Miami, he will be able to count 2 more optional results (that is minimum 65 points = 45 from Bangkok and 20 from Montpellier, more if he does better in Rotterdam and Marseilles).

Of course he could have hoped to make even better in Indian Wells and Miami, but considering the ranking advantage to skip those tournaments I just said, and the rest which might be useful to prepare clay season (and maybe the Davis cup tie first), I think it's not stupid at all to make the choice of just not going to play in the USA.

supertom

02-08-2013, 05:15 PM

in the ranking points of a player there are normally 18 mandatory results : 4 slams + 8 mandatory Masters 1000 tournaments (MonteCarlo is optional) + 6 "optional results", that is results got in other tournaments which are optional, like ATP500 or ATP250 tournaments or challengers or futures or Davis cup or Monte-Carlo.

But for players whose ranking is not high enough to enter directly in a mandatory Masters 1000 tournament (or a grand slam), if they don't play that Masters 1000 tournament, they can count 1 more optional result for every Masters 1000 tournament they miss.

Monfils is in that case for Indian Wells and Miami of a player whose ranking is not high enough to enter directly into the main draw (he's only an alternate), that is in the case of a player who can count one more optional result if he doesn't play that tournament in the end. If he finally got in as an alternate or a wild-card or a qualifier, he would have to give up this supplementary optional result.

He already got one more optional result because his ranking was not high enough to enter Paris-Bercy, that is he theoretically already can count 7 optional results instead of 6.

But Monfils's problem is that instead of 7 optional results, he only can count 3 of them at the moment because of another rule which says that a top-30 player has to play 4 ATP500 tournaments in a calendar year, whereas Monfils couldn't play any of them last year because of his injury. And this has the stupid consequence that those 4 ATP500 results that he should have played are replaced by 4 "zero point" which he will not be able to replace with a not-null result until july (2 of them) and october (2 of them).

The consequence is that Monfils can only count 7-4=3 optional results from ATP500 and ATP250 tournaments at the moment. Which has the consequence at the moment that he can't count his 45 points from Bangklok and his 20 points from Montpellier. And his points from Rotterdam and MArseilles will only count if they are superior to 45 points.

If he skips Indian Wells and Miami, he will be able to count 2 more optional results (that is minimum 65 points = 45 from Bangkok and 20 from Montpellier, more if he does better in Rotterdam and Marseilles).

Of course he could have hoped to make even better in Indian Wells and Miami, but considering the ranking advantage to skip those tournaments I just said, and the rest which might be useful to prepare clay season (and maybe the Davis cup tie first), I think it's not stupid at all to make the choice of just not going to play in the USA.

That s why I like to be in this forum.. You talk with specialists! I get your point! Thanks!
:wavey:

Mae

02-09-2013, 06:39 PM

People have a lot more tennis knowledge here than I do that is for sure!

Dupuis2006

02-15-2013, 04:03 PM

So volandri and Ramirez hidalgo are main draw only players as they are not on quails list?

born_on_clay

02-16-2013, 11:29 AM

not sure if Rafa will play here

Crvena Zvezda

02-18-2013, 04:34 PM

not sure if Rafa will play here

I've seen a couple of sets from him (vs Berlocq, Zeballos Alund and Nalby) and I must admit he runs on clay as if he were running on eggs.

No sliding at all.

Sao Paulo clay was awfull (a bit like DC tie in Belgium) but I am not sure it was the only reason.

IMO, he could not be so cautionous on clay and then decide to play on hardcourt.

But I was so often surprised by Team Nadal decisions in the past.

TipsyTennis

02-19-2013, 06:37 PM

My favourite tournament of the year, love Indian Wells, such a great atmosphere in the desert

Dupuis2006

02-22-2013, 10:43 PM

When will WC's start to be announced?

MathMul

02-26-2013, 10:58 AM

Nadal is out, according to marca.

http://www.marca.com/2013/02/26/tenis/1361879399.html

born_on_clay

02-26-2013, 07:01 PM

Nadal is out, according to marca.

http://www.marca.com/2013/02/26/tenis/1361879399.html

expected :sad:

duong

02-26-2013, 07:08 PM

Toni Nadal has denied that a decision has been taken on that for Nadal so far.

I think Blake and Smyczek may have a wild-card as they both withdrew from qualies and they could be good candidates for wild-cards.

born_on_clay

02-27-2013, 10:32 AM

Toni Nadal has denied that a decision has been taken on that for Nadal so far.

I think Blake and Smyczek may have a wild-card as they both withdrew from qualies and they could be good candidates for wild-cards.