I have something funnier and almost as stupid[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qFdbUEq5s[/youtube]

Wow! That woman is ignorant and was oblivious for years! At least abiogenesis is a very new scientific field of study and is not well understood.

What happens when it rains? Water falls to the ground.What happens after it rains? The sun comes out.What happens when you use a sprinkler? You shoot water into the air.Is the Sun shining when you use a sprinkler? Yes.Why do we get rainbows? Because the government puts stuff in our water! :

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How do you define soul?"A baseless assertion by simple-minded, superstitious individuals" -Starstuff

They just took another look at the dried brown crap left over in the vials from the Miller-Urey experiment using new more sensitive lab techniques, and found a whole bunch more amino acids than were found originally.

I think that's pretty cool.

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I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is gonna be so pissed when they find out...

That’s an experiment of the 50´s in the 50´s the scientist didn’t knew about DNA or RNA, The result of it is sugar (just the components of DNA or RNA but not ordered in a chain)

DNA can’t exist without protein and proteins can’t exist without DNA then the conclusion of the scientist was that the first cell organisms only had RNA…RNA is a code too… in resume this code tells to the cell: Feed then absorb, then consume, then reject and feed again, and in theory this pre-RNA had the orders to: preserve some kind of form, and get reproduction to preserve the spice too.

If you’re trying to tell me that nothing can become a ordered chain of a code of conduct (RNA) without any kind of intelligence making it, then probably we can make DVD’s in a Blender.

I’m agree with you, it need more ingredients, it need the hand of God... but If you think that accidents can make codes, Please read about any kind of Engineering, or Physics and if you still belive it then you have more faith than me...

And here we are again. The same old arguement of "A tornado can´t assemble a Jet on a scrap yard, so XYZ can´t come into existance without the help of the Flying Spaghetty Monster!".

I always wonder, why theists try so hard to stop everybody from thinking of abiogenesis? I mean, if what you believe is true and god really did it, then scientists will eventually reach a point, where there is no other choice than to say "They were right. God must have done it.". When theist come here, they often say something along the lines of "Have faith in god and all will work out!". How come, that it´s these theists, who show the biggest lack of faith in their god, when their god is confronted with modern day science.

If you really believe, that god did it, then there should be nothing to worry about, right?

If you’re trying to tell me that nothing can become a ordered chain of a code of conduct (RNA) without any kind of intelligence making it, then probably we can make DVD’s in a Blender.

I’m agree with you, it need more ingredients, it need the hand of God... but If you think that accidents can make codes, Please read about any kind of Engineering, or Physics and if you still belive it then you have more faith than me...

Statistical Thermodynamics and chemistry is what you do not take into account. It's not about probabilities or inprobable order, it is about carbon bonding. The basis of your misconception is that RNA or DNA must have been ordered by something - you're right, they are - but the answer is not God - the answer is chemistry. The religious answer WAS god before we understood chemistry.

The article you linked to is all about mathematics and probabilities. That has no place in explaining the extraction and bonding of carbon from methane to anything else. Chemical bonds are created and broken based on the environment.

Not everything with order has a supernatural maker. Rocks, crystals, life - are a biproduct of chemical reactions....not a probability calculator. Rocks dont have a rock maker, we know how they are formed. Crystals dont have a crystal make, we know how they are formed. Life does not have a supernatural life maker - we have a pretty good idea of how it was formed.

If we leave the answer for anything at "God did it", then we will never wonder or discover anything ever again...for we already would know the answer. "God did it" was good when there was no way to explain why it was dark at night or why a storm came, but once we knew the real answers, it became insufficient. If you let "God did it" become your answer to every complicated unknown, then you lose your intrinsic inquisitive mind. If we all did it, it would remain just like the dark ages were, forever.

That’s an experiment of the 50´s in the 50´s the scientist didn’t knew about DNA or RNA, The result of it is sugar (just the components of DNA or RNA but not ordered in a chain)

In 2008, a group of scientists examined vials left over from Miller's experiments of the early 1950s. Vials associated with the original, published experiment contained far more organic molecules than Stanley Miller realized; the 11 vials scientists recovered from the unpublished aspirator experiment produced 22 amino acids and the same five amines at yields comparable to the original experiment

I'm watching that video, and about half way through I'm thinking to myself:"Why do people bother arguing with this stuff?"It's so awesome hearing the complex pattern of events that occurred to give rise to something like life. I love it. It's SO much better than the silly answer of 'goddidit'.

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When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me. - Emo Philips

I'm watching that video, and about half way through I'm thinking to myself:"Why do people bother arguing with this stuff?"It's so awesome hearing the complex pattern of events that occurred to give rise to something like life. I love it. It's SO much better than the silly answer of 'goddidit'.

If you believe in a god, this is what he made. Learning how he made it should be fun and interesting - like reaching into god's toolbox. There was a video that eloquently described that.

I'm watching that video, and about half way through I'm thinking to myself:"Why do people bother arguing with this stuff?"It's so awesome hearing the complex pattern of events that occurred to give rise to something like life. I love it. It's SO much better than the silly answer of 'goddidit'.

If you believe in a god, this is what he made. Learning how he made it should be fun and interesting - like reaching into god's toolbox. There was a video that eloquently described that.

How far back does the need to invoke God have to be pushed before people let him go?

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When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me. - Emo Philips

I'm watching that video, and about half way through I'm thinking to myself:"Why do people bother arguing with this stuff?"It's so awesome hearing the complex pattern of events that occurred to give rise to something like life. I love it. It's SO much better than the silly answer of 'goddidit'.

Some theists argue that in fact this process even happening is because of the very beginning. In other words a deist might remark that God put the components in place to become this.

A simple analogue might be something like saying "God formed you in the womb". Well, he made everything possible so you could be formed. Sort of like saying "food is from the supermarket" instead of "food is from farmers".

The deist position is that God created the universe and then went "hands-off", so as I said, it in no way argues against any of the scientific findings re: abiogenesis or evolution.

If someone asks "Why do some people who believe X argue against Y?" and you respond "Well, what about people who believe X and don't argue against Y?", you havn't answered the "why" of the original question.