The Blessed One said: "Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions?Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors —right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, & right mindfulness — is called noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions.

it is interesting here that the noble right concentrationis described different then the other seven factorit does not describe noble right concentration like other seven factorswhere they are described as two of factor (mundane and supramandane,) one siding with merit. and the other is transcendent.

it's interesting that the right view is forerunner.out of seven path factors that support the noble right concentration.right view is the front runner.

"Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view. And what is wrong view? 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is wrong view.this is the right view according to the sutta.and later it goes into detail.and explains two types of right view.

"And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.so there is a right view with effluents (mental fermentation) with merit, resulting in greed so for example from the sutta one type of wrong livelihood is getting gain with gain i(we) can have right view but but no discernment. regarding this gain with gain since there is no discernment, one is trying to understand this, and this trying leads to further becoming.

"And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.according to this from suttaright view without effluents (a factor of the path)The discernment of the factor of the path the faculty of discernmentthe strength of discernmentanalysis of qualities as factor for Awakening (if someone know what that is )i only know them as described in mindfulness of breathing sutta.so the one who is developing the noble path, there is right view as noble right factor, he mind is noble and free from effluentsnow at the last sentence it says that, who is fully posses of noble path( does that mean that one is fully possessed of all noble factors, which is the noble path)

and at the end of right view.it say how one enters the right view that is one right effort remaining in right view is right mindfulness.

"One tries to abandon wrong view & to enter into right view: This is one's right effort. One is mindful to abandon wrong view & to enter & remain in right view: This is one's right mindfulness. Thus these three qualities — right view, right effort, & right mindfulness — run & circle around right view.these 3 run in circle since the sutta does not called them as noble, that means they worked like these in both cases mundane or transcendent.does anybody wants to comment.metta,karuna,mudita,uppekkha

Ven. Anālayo wrote:In fact, the terms employed to define the supramundane path-factors of right intention, right speech, right action and right livelihood are precisely the same as those used in the Vibhaṅga of the Pāli Abhidhammapiṭaka. Notably, the Vibhaṅga uses these terms in its exposition of the path-factors according to the specific method of the Abhidharma, diferent from the terms the same work uses when it analyses these path-factors according to the method of the discourses.12 That is, from the viewpoint of the Vibhaṅga this type of terminology is distinctly Abhidharmic, difering from the mode of exposition found in the discourses.Moreover, the treatment of the path-factors from a supramundane viewpoint in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta­qualifies the mundane wholesome path-factors as “with influx” and as “ripening in attachment”.13 Yet, the definitions given in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta for the path-factors of mundane right intention, right speech, right action and right livelihood recur in other discourses as part of the standard definition of the noble eightfold path that leads to the eradication of dukkha.14 Thus, what according to other discourses leads to the eradication of dukkha, in the Mahāc­attārīsaka-sutta is presented as something that ripens in attachment and is associated with the influxes.

Zom,

thank you very much for posting this link. Very interesting - and important for the correct understanding of the Doctrine, it would seem.

Thank you for the pdf. How do you locate suttas (as you did) in English from this resource? A link would be much appreciated. Also, I noted a "fellowship" application. May anyone apply?

Thanks,

Ron

What Makes an Elder? :A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

this is what i understand.that stream entry is free from fermentation it is not only Arahant who is free from fermentationSabbasava Sutta: Discourse on All Āsavashttp://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bpit.htmlanyway this translation is differenthere is another linkviewtopic.php?f=25&t=1741all the fermentation suttahere it explains that stream entry has abandon effluents(fermentation) by seeing.(he is free from effluents)"And what are the ideas fit for attention that he does attend to? Whatever ideas such that, when he attends to them, the unarisen fermentation of sensuality does not arise in him, and the arisen fermentation of sensuality is abandoned; the unarisen fermentation of becoming does not arise in him, and the arisen fermentation of becoming is abandoned; the unarisen fermentation of ignorance does not arise in him, and the arisen fermentation of ignorance is abandoned. These are the ideas fit for attention that he does attend to. Through his not attending to ideas unfit for attention and through his attending to ideas fit for attention, unarisen fermentations do not arise in him, and arisen fermentations are abandoned.

"He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices. These are called the fermentations to be abandoned by seeing.again it is not only Arahant who is free from effluents.

this sutta supports the Great forty sutta.it supports the supra mundane view/noble mind/analysis of factor/and fully posses of the path

And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

I was, and still am, inspired and informed by this sutta also. No-one here is claiming that the entire sutta is in doubt as authentic, but only a few details in it, which were possibly added at a later stage. As for the main body of it, it's awesome, of course!

zom i have readthe other versionsand i'm not convinced that the other versions are betteri'm not convinced that this is Abidhammic i'm not here to compare schools and make a conclusionone should investigate the the Great forty path further.

i have nothing against if you want to study the other schools.metta,karuna,mudita,uppekkha.

"When we transcend one level of truth, the new level becomes what is true for us. The previous one is now false. What one experiences may not be what is experienced by the world in general, but that may well be truer. (Ven. Nanananda)

“I hope, Anuruddha, that you are all living in concord, with mutual appreciation, without disputing, blending like milk and water, viewing each other with kindly eyes.” (MN 31)

Hello Retrofuturistdid you read the Great forty4)right action with out effluents"And what is the right action that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The abstaining, desisting, abstinence, avoidance of the three forms of bodily misconduct of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is without effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right action that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.5)right livelihood with out effluents "And what is the right livelihood that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The abstaining, desisting, abstinence, avoidance of wrong livelihood of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is without effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right livelihood that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

Hello Retrofuturist both right action and right livelihood have similar things abstaining,desisting,abstinence. is there any other sutta describing these twoMay all beings be free from stress, pain, dangerMay all beings not be deprived of the good fortune they attain.May all beings be free from oppressionWhat ever they do for good or for evil to that they will fall heir.

does anybodysee that the supramundanepath factor is equal to multiplisity mundane factors this definitly later additionthis is not Buddha teachingBuddha did not teach mathBuddha teaching is depending originationwith the arising of right view their is arising of right resolveand the rest of the pathmetta