Businesses are sure trying given their rush to get under the PPACA limits of 50 employees or 30 hours a week - whether by terminations or conversions to precarious employment(read: contractors & temporary workers).

Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

Tue preppers couldn't care less who wins what election. The world is going to hell and society is hanging on by a thread and they ain't going down with the rest of ya. Election year preppers are like the hipsters of preppers.

wmanning833:Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

no one really knows what the date is. one day some guy said "today is January 1st !" and we've been going on that ever since......so how could anyone say an exact date for the end of the world if all the calendars are wrong?

no clever name here just move along:no one really knows what the date is. one day some guy said "today is January 1st !" and we've been going on that ever since......so how could anyone say an exact date for the end of the world if all the calendars are wrong?

Uh... actually, they do know. Most calendars are based on repeated astronomical events. With modern technology and knowledge, it's relative easy to pinpoint exact dates in the future.

no clever name here just move along:no one really knows what the date is. one day some guy said "today is January 1st !" and we've been going on that ever since......so how could anyone say an exact date for the end of the world if all the calendars are wrong?

It's because they predict Date B in reference to Date A, the day the prediction is made.

wmanning833:Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

Obviously their investment in education was wasted. How many people without a college degree did you hire?

wmanning833:Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

In 2015 when things are fine, you'll be telling us it will take years before the full effects are felt and just wait until 2018... or some bullshiat like that.

theknuckler_33:wmanning833: Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

In 2015 when things are fine, you'll be telling us it will take years before the full effects are felt and just wait until 2018... or some bullshiat like that.

Or, if there is a Republican in charge, claim that every and anything good in the economy is due to that.

Exactly. The clusterfark is well under way, We're just not feeling the consequences yet.

We can't even manage to trim the deficit or reduce much spending at all, so when the troubles hit and we can't borrow anymore, it's going to be catastrophic. People will waje up to find that not only are tehy not getting their government check, inflation has farked the vakue of what's in their paycheck.

Electing Romney wouldn't have miraculaously solved these problems, but of the two candidates he was the only one acknowledging it. With Obama in office and the Dems controlling the Senate, there's not a farking hope of solving any of the real problems. George W. Bush and the Senate Republicans from 200-2006 were obviously a huge part of the problem, but the democrats are utterly hopeless.

I'm a prepper. No, I don't believe in the Myan BS. I also didn't think there would be massive riots from the election. To me Prepping is about "living a better life when times get tough, and even if they don't" to steal a phrase from a pretty wise man. It's about learning to live without having to rely on someone else to survive. It's about being able to help others if they're in a worse position. I'm the guy who's got a 5gal can of gas, jumper cables, battery charger when someone is broken down. I'm the guy with flashlights, batteries, candles and a generator when there's a power outage. And I am more than happy to share. I'm the guy who's learning to grow my own veggies, which are not only healthier, but cost less, make a fun hobby, and make me less reliant on a just-in-time grocery store supply chain. Yes, I've converted some on my money into gold, silver, and copper. But in addition to it being a good hedge against the dollar losing even more value, it's also a good way to save money, as it takes some real effort to reconvert that gold back into dollars for an impulse buy. When other people's phones die, I'm the guy with the USB/AAbattery/solar charger that's more than willing to loan it out so they can charge their phones. I've always got a few 5 Hour Energies for buddies when I'm doing Army stuff. I'm never too far away from a first aid/CPR kit and I know how to use them. I'm a gun owner and I know how to use those responsibly too.

Those are just a few of my preps. Most of the ideas are not my own. Many are just sensible things I've learned from others. Others are things I've always just thought were smart, or they arose from a past situation that I was not able to deal with. Prepping is NOT about hating the government, Obama/Romney, or blaming one political party or the other. Prepping is just what the name says: being prepared. For things big and small. From a dead cell phone batter or a flat tire to a power outage,hurricane, or yes, even a period of time without any government services and/or social breakdown. And Prepping it about helping and teaching others. It's an "I will learn to do this myself, but I will always be willing to help you" attitude. Hopefully so that you gain the same attitude and I don't need to help you anymore. Because you can now do it yourself too and can help others as well on your own.

Prepping is just a response to an ever growing attitude of "someone else should do this for me". Someone else should protect me, Someone else should feed me. Someone else should provide me shelter. Prepping is about learning to live a more self-fulfilling life. A more resilient life. So when challenges arise, and they always do, you're not left by the side of the road waiting for AAA, or left in a flooded apartment waiting for FEMA. Prepping is about understanding that your life is yours to live. And only you are truly responsible for it.

theknuckler_33:wmanning833: Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

In 2015 when things are fine, you'll be telling us it will take years before the full effects are felt and just wait until 2018... or some bullshiat like that.

And in 2018 you'll be comparing the new evil Democratic regime to the golden age of Obama.

Because the world hasn't ended yet? Because the economy hasn't collapsed as you've predicted? We're not beating our chests; we're simply looking at you wondering why you're still cowering in the corner with your AR-15, frothing on about Karl Rove and his incredible predictive skills.

Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed.

Because it's been 1/5.9th managed under Republican control for the last twenty years, and this is the tipping point? In the 1990s, a period in which Republicans controlled the House for six years, the share of health spending controlled by the government rose by 10 percent. The trend continued from 2000 to 2008, when Republicans controlled the White House and largely controlled Congress. In pretty much every year of the Bush administration, the government "took over" a greater chunk of the health care sector. And many of the Republicans who are complaining about reform proposals today didn't utter a peep. In fact, they helped the process along by voting for the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003.

In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

My wife has a Sallie Mae loan, and it's working out just fine, thanks for asking. And it looks like you hire folks with very poor financial planning skills; I hope they won't have any budgetary responsibilities in your alleged business.

I'm a libertarian. I am against most of the same things you are. But damn I can't stand propaganda derp.

Mr. Coffee Nerves:Everyone always thinks their case of Poland Spring and five-gallon drum of Apocalypse Chow is going to make them Lord Humongous.

Exactly. If society as we know it collapses, it won't be the doomsday tough guys that survive it. It will be the groups of people that come together to cooperate and renew the process of division of labor, and pool their knowledge and resources to restore what they can. How welcome do you think these DTGs are going to be after a year of shooting anyone that comes onto their property, and refusing to share anything?

It's one thing to set yourself up with food, medicine, water, etc., for a temporary emergency. It's another to think your bunker and .308 is going to be your salvation from the Yellowstone supervolcano, or a K-T boundary-like impact.

sethstorm:Businesses are sure trying given their rush to get under the PPACA limits of 50 employees or 30 hours a week - whether by terminations or conversions to precarious employment(read: contractors & temporary workers).

I fired all my employees in July, then hired them back as contractors.

So if some cosmic event happens, and the Earth is torn apart by some random elements. Say, comets, magnetic forces, whatever, some people think a rifle and reinforced door are going to help?

Yeah, that's a sellers market.

Besides, which is honestly scarier for a prepper: vindication? Or the knowledge that when nothing happens they've squandered their time and money. For April, or retirement, or whatever, their kid needs braces.

World events tend not to tip in ego assuring ways.

The irony, to me, is all of this might as well be looking for the fountain of youth, or potions, or little idols; a desperate and tenacious clinging to nonsense despite the absolute and certain knowledge that death is unavoidable, and selfishness in the light of that is particularly disgusting.

Go build houses for the impoverished instead of bunkers for yourself, maybe then you'll be less of a cause of societies unraveling.

diaphoresis:sethstorm: Businesses are sure trying given their rush to get under the PPACA limits of 50 employees or 30 hours a week - whether by terminations or conversions to precarious employment(read: contractors & temporary workers).

I fired all my employees in July, then hired them back as contractors.

MassAsster:diaphoresis: sethstorm: Businesses are sure trying given their rush to get under the PPACA limits of 50 employees or 30 hours a week - whether by terminations or conversions to precarious employment(read: contractors & temporary workers).

I fired all my employees in July, then hired them back as contractors.

wmanning833:Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed. In fact, you folks with student loans now all owned by Sally Mae, how's that working out for you? I hired three Comp Sci graduates you have $100K in student loans. They own more than I owe on my house.

Are you implying that Sally Mae held a gun to their heads and made them take out a loan?Damn I knew that Sally chick was crazy, but this is just too much.

wmanning833:Society hasn't collapsed because the major tax laws haven't gone into effect yet. In 2014 the Obamacare legislation begins becoming law. It's easy to beat your chest now. Come back and let's hear about how great it is after a full 1/6 of the economy becomes government managed

You may think Obama is all-powerful but I really don't imagine him taking back even 1/6th of control of the economy from the Federal Reserve and giving it back to the Government.

born_yesterday:Mr. Coffee Nerves: Everyone always thinks their case of Poland Spring and five-gallon drum of Apocalypse Chow is going to make them Lord Humongous.

Exactly. If society as we know it collapses, it won't be the doomsday tough guys that survive it. It will be the groups of people that come together to cooperate and renew the process of division of labor, and pool their knowledge and resources to restore what they can.

Yep, the same folks that run things now will run things then...engineers.

diaphoresis:MassAsster: diaphoresis: sethstorm: Businesses are sure trying given their rush to get under the PPACA limits of 50 employees or 30 hours a week - whether by terminations or conversions to precarious employment(read: contractors & temporary workers).

I fired all my employees in July, then hired them back as contractors.