It's not useless, but in the means of pushing progression there isn't really any fight where you will be DW unless there is more AoE than single target, which I doubt, and DW weapons will not be at all given to dks.

B. DW Frost is doing impressive single target DPS. And.... it blows all other classes away with their AOE.

I would even go so far to say that DW Frost is "the" spec for serious raiders. RE + Masterfrost. The slight increase to single target damage that 2H Frost brings to the table pales in comparison to the versatility of DW Frost.

Also, I think that Soul Reaper is much easier to manage with the Masterfrost rotation.

I'm a bad DK who hasn't been using Soul Reaper for execute because I forget about it. I also have only been tanking and out DPSing half of every dungeon group, so I'm not as concerned about that as I am about the amount of brain dead people running heroics.

The little testing I did get in was at 87 on a few quest mobs. The execute was decent, but most of the time stuff died and I got the haste buff. The nonexistent haste buff that barely does anything. 5 sec is not long enough. I hope they bump it back up to 10 or at least 7-8 sec. When it's so negligible I don't notice it when looking AT my current buffs bar, there is a problem.

The little testing I did get in was at 87 on a few quest mobs. The execute was decent, but most of the time stuff died and I got the haste buff. The nonexistent haste buff that barely does anything. 5 sec is not long enough. I hope they bump it back up to 10 or at least 7-8 sec. When it's so negligible I don't notice it when looking AT my current buffs bar, there is a problem.

The haste buff is just so you don't feel like you wasted a rune if you screw up and have something die before soul reaper triggers. We are meant to want the damage, so don't expect the haste buff to get buffed.

It's unfortunate that we had to get nerfed without any warning, but that's what happened.

The haste buff is just so you don't feel like you wasted a rune if you screw up and have something die before soul reaper triggers. We are meant to want the damage, so don't expect the haste buff to get buffed.

It's unfortunate that we had to get nerfed without any warning, but that's what happened.

That's exactly what GC said, it's a Consolation for when the mob dies too quickly and you're left annoyed - but even still, I do feel annoyed because that 50% haste isn't going to be used in time. It's just there to make SR look "pretty" though the execute damage is huge, I critted 400k once.

It's not useless, but in the means of pushing progression there isn't really any fight where you will be DW unless there is more AoE than single target, which I doubt, and DW weapons will not be at all given to dks.

Since 25 man is just about dead, with what, 23(?) DPS specs there is a good chance that 10m groups having both smf warriors and frost dk's being fewer than you might imply.

Title is misleading. For leveling it's not all that hot, but then again, who cares about leveling? You smash buttons and things die. Your ghoul pet isn't that great for leveling either, by the time it starts attacking, things are already dead.

For raiding? It's a nice boost to execute range we lost when our old execute talent went away.

Unholy still has the 15% base speed, and the 10% from DA stacks with the 8% boot enchant giving frost DKs a base 119% runspeed, which is more than the spec had in Cataclysm, so it's overall a buff. Just, like I said, not exactly a game-changer.