Thursday, May 8, 2014

Stolen Valor: Ryan Payne Exposed as a Fraud.

Jim White, of Northwest Liberty News, interviewed Danny Harrington, a former Ranger, (Class of 8-85; 1st BN 83-88) who vetted Ryan Payne, who claims to have been a Ranger. Ryan Payne, if you recall, claims to be the head of security at the Bundy Ranch, and made several claims, on video, claiming he was a Ranger. Truth be told, Ryan Payne was not a Ranger, having never gone to Ranger School. Making false claims is not the way to be a trusted leader. Rangers don’t like people who have never been Rangers claiming to have been one.

It seems to me that it is impossible that .gov does not know exactly who this guy is. This should become much more obvious since the fbi has decided to pursue all those who supposedly "pointed' guns at the cops, who are much more accustomed to having their guns pointed at women and kids. If he is not targerted and id'ed he therefore must be one of them, as some suspect.

yeah,the more I ponder it, the more I think he's a sociopath. I've seen guys like him close up, done real background checks on them.

He's in Montana for a reason. My guess is that he'll have an arrest records as a minor for small stuff, maybe fraud. Bad credit history, etc. If he has a military record, it may show him being transferred from station to station before they booted him out on some pretext.

I mean, seriously, I could see Ranger Bat from my old barracks room at Ft. Lewis back in the day, so that basically makes me a Ranger, right? According to that re-re's logic it does. Hell, first piece of advice I was given was to secure my stuff. Second piece of advice was "Stay away from Ranger Bat, especially in uniform. They will beat the hell out of you because big army took their beret."

Yep. I only walked by there in civvies, and kept my head strait and eyes down. Rangers are something I don't want to mess with.

I want to thank Mr. Harrington and SFC Hester for the tab check. Curious to see what comes of this.

Also, as an idea(and something I've been planning on doing anyway), keep a current(ish) ERB/ORB(or other service equivalents) or DD-214 in the wallet, lightly redacted for SSN(and maybe security clearance stuff. Dunno, not sure I want people knowing what my clearance is). At least that way, I can flash that and my ID and I can VERIFY I am who I say I am, as well as prove what I'm saying.

And just because us 11B's use a Ranger Handbook all the time doesn't mean we consider ourselves as such. Just means that we have a smaller reference guide to all sorts of high-speed stuff, alot of it slightly different than FM 7-8.

Moreover, Corps headquarters do not have LRP assets. They were a Division only unit. I know in the 101st, you needed to "try out" for it. Slection to the company would give you access to Ranger, Pathfinder, etc. but typically you would already have to have it as the material covered in the selection process was from those schools.

He stinks. The situation stinks. And the Oathkeepers own the stink for not being more firm in vetting this clown before he built up steam. Lessons learned.

You do everything you can to undermine and destroy the liberty movement. As you have worked tirelessly to destroy the Bundy ranch Militia's cohesiveness and trust in each other, while promoting enemy law enforcement infiltration units like "constitutional sheriffs" and Oath Keepers. Mike in the last year you have made yourself one of the worst enemy's we have, working to destroy everything you claim to support, and you can't understand why you are as popular with the militia as Obama, and have the credibility of Alex Jones. You will die soon and rid us of your drivel, G_D speed the day.

Looking from the outside in, it seems Payne is pretty well accepted by the Bundys as the militia leader. Jerry DeLemus seemed fine taking a back seat to his authority in that ridiculous circle-jerk video too, as did the rest of the lesser-known jerkers. I'd like to ask Mike or anyone else who was/is there, will the Bundy's acceptance of Payne be likely to change because of this new information? And even if it does, who among his followers has the credibility to take over leadership if they couldn't even see such an obvious phony up close and personal?

While I believe that Oath Keepers got short-shrift in the power-struggle (or whatever one wishes to call it), and I accept their side of the stories much more so than the militia's, they are not well-suited to take over militia-type duties. Stewart Rhodes has said publicly during this event that OK'ers are not a militia. The same is stipulated in their Mission Statement. At least some, if not most, of their membership will not only have personal divided loyalties, but statutory divided loyalties as well if they are active duty military or law enforcement. Such folks could not credibly be put on the front lines to face down their on-duty contemporaries.

My point is, where does the Bundy Ranch Siege go from here now that the militia's leadership has been marginalized? Doesn't matter how perfectly justified and necessary the marginalizing was/is, there is a void of leadership now, and I wonder if that doesn't signal an end to the non-family and real friends of the family participation there. Any insight would be appreciated.

Hi Mike,From the sounds of anymouse at 0530 he's "Payne." Either that or one of scary Harry's script writers. 'Anybody have any photo's of this Payne character, better yet videos so we can see how he walks and talks?? 'Should be something from the Bundy ranch?? To paraphrase Fred Blasie,"Guys like this Payne fella are a dime a dozen, I'm still lookin for the guy supplyin' the dimes!" Go to Chuck and Mary Shantags' site POWnetwork and check out their list of frauds!! Like I said, they'r a "Dime a Dozen!"BSBD,III%,skybill-out

"You bash the NRA, you bash the militia, you bash oath keepers . . .you are all doing the federal thugs a great service...letting them know exactly how stupid and inept we all are"

May 9, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Bash the NRA? Yes, when they endorse "Assault Rifle" legislation and His Balless, Harry Reid. Bash the militia? Not that I am aware of. I am guessing you are new here. Might do some homework before pointing that particular finger. The Oathkeepers? Apparently you have reading comprehension problems. Criticism of a situation that needed criticizing, (cuz, ya know, that is how we grow) is not bashing.

I guess there is a reason that the GOA, Militia, and Oathkeepers go to Vanderboegh and not you for advice.

I actually served with him at Fort Bragg between 2004 to 2006. He was in another platoon, but from what I remember he was a stand up guy.

Obviously...things change. It is sad to see this (for me). I hope everything in his life is okay. I don't agree with saying he was a Ranger and all so don't come after me guys. I'm not condoning what he did.

To the Anonymous above- every Division LRSD in the Army was deactivated by 2004 as the divisions went modular. The 101st's LRSD was used to cadre the second pathfinder company that was put in 159th Aviation Brigade.

There are brigade scout companies (two platoons, three teams per) in the RSTA squadron scout company in the infantry brigades. Pathfinders have a limited recon ability. And at Corps level, in the Corps MI brigade (now called a Battlefield Surveillance Brigade), there is a recon company that was made out of the old Corps LRS companies like E or F/51.

But the LRS guys and Rangers were only the same thing for a few years in Vietnam. That family tree was divorced in 1974.

I don't understand why anyone would lie about service if they really served. Why not just be proud of what you DID do? I spent my four years in places like Korea and Afghanistan doing Intel stuff. That's it. Nothing super high speed but I got to do some stuff that I thought was cool and my importantly, I went and made a difference for my country. Now why can't that be good enough for people like Payne? What's the reason to claim Rangers and SF and ten deployments and Purple Hearts and Silver Stars and all that? People like that didn't have honor and integrity to begin with.

"Progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress."

I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made under the shadow of the policeman's club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave. -- H.L. Mencken

On the efficacy of passive resistance in the face of the collectivist beast. . .

Had the Japanese got as far as India, Gandhi's theories of "passive resistance" would have floated down the Ganges River with his bayoneted, beheaded carcass. -- Mike Vanderboegh.

In the future . . .

When the histories are written, “National Rifle Association” will be cross-referenced with “Judenrat.” -- Mike Vanderboegh to Sebastian at "Snowflakes in Hell"

"Smash the bloody mirror."

If you find yourself through the looking glass, where the verities of the world you knew and loved no longer apply, there is only one thing to do. Knock the Red Queen on her ass, turn around, and smash the bloody mirror. -- Mike Vanderboegh

From Kurt Hoffman over at Armed and Safe.

"I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

From long experience myself, I can only say, "You betcha."

"Only cowards dare cringe."

The fears of man are many. He fears the shadow of death and the closed doors of the future. He is afraid for his friends and for his sons and of the specter of tomorrow. All his life's journey he walks in the lonely corridors of his controlled fears, if he is a man. For only fools will strut, and only cowards dare cringe. -- James Warner Bellah, "Spanish Man's Grave" in Reveille, Curtis Publishing, 1947.

"We fight an enemy that never sleeps."

"As our enemies work bit by bit to deconstruct, we must work bit by bit to REconstruct. Be mindful where we should be. Set goals. We fight an enemy that never sleeps. We must learn to sleep less." -- Mike H. at What McAuliffe Said

"The Fate of Unborn Millions. . ."

"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army-Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; that is all we can expect-We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die." -- George Washington to his troops before the Battle of Long Island.

"We will not go gently . . ."

This is no small thing, to restore a republic after it has fallen into corruption. I have studied history for years and I cannot recall it ever happening. It may be that our task is impossible. Yet, if we do not try then how will we know it can't be done? And if we do not try, it most certainly won't be done. The Founders' Republic, and the larger war for western civilization, will be lost.

But I tell you this: We will not go gently into that bloody collectivist good night. Indeed, we will make with our defiance such a sound as ALL history from that day forward will be forced to note, even if they despise us in the writing of it.

And when we are gone, the scattered, free survivors hiding in the ruins of our once-great republic will sing of our deeds in forbidden songs, tending the flickering flame of individual liberty until it bursts forth again, as it must, generations later. We will live forever, like the Spartans at Thermopylae, in sacred memory.

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"A common language of resistance . . ."

"Colonial rebellions throughout the modern world have been acts of shared political imagination. Unless unhappy people develop the capacity to trust other unhappy people, protest remains a local affair easily silenced by traditional authority. Usually, however, a moment arrives when large numbers of men and women realize for the first time that they enjoy the support of strangers, ordinary people much like themselves who happen to live in distant places and whom under normal circumstances they would never meet. It is an intoxicating discovery. A common language of resistance suddenly opens to those who are most vulnerable to painful retribution the possibility of creating a new community. As the conviction of solidarity grows, parochial issues and aspirations merge imperceptibly with a compelling national agenda which only a short time before may have been the dream of only a few. For many Americans colonists this moment occurred late in the spring of 1774." -- T.H. Breen, The Marketplace of Revolution: How Consumer Politics Shaped American Independence, Oxford University Press, 2004, p.1.