When a player is a pounder and lacks a lot of big plays his average is lower. Explosive backs may not be as consistently good, but average more yards per attempt.

Javon Ringer just got a lot of carries. He tapered off big-time in the second half. Jonathan Dwyer averaged 6.98 yards per carry. He must be a real speed demon. Shonn Greene averaged 6.03 yards per carry. Ringer and Evans were the only two backs in the top 10 in the nation (carries-wise) to average less than 4.8 yards per carry.

And Bryant is better than White. It's obviously very close and the 2 have different strengths/weaknesses, but Bryant has slightly more ability and a slightly more impressive year last year (considering environment).

Javon Ringer just got a lot of carries. He tapered off big-time in the second half. Jonathan Dwyer averaged 6.98 yards per carry. He must be a real speed demon. Shonn Greene averaged 6.03 yards per carry. Ringer and Evans were the only two backs in the top 10 in the nation (carries-wise) to average less than 4.8 yards per carry.

Try again.

Like always, a punk.

I said a pounder who is not explosive.

Maybe you don't watch games, pretty sure you do not, but Dwyer was very, very explosive last season.

Greene one of the best backs in college football, he also had at least one twenty yard run in eight games.

His average in games without a twenty yard run was significantly lower.

Evans is a pounder. He will be, once again, more productive than any back on Michigan's roster. And he will do it splitting carries.

And Bryant is better than White. It's obviously very close and the 2 have different strengths/weaknesses, but Bryant has slightly more ability and a slightly more impressive year last year (considering environment).

No.

Really, no.

Evans would be, at worst, third at UM after his season last year. Had Bryce Brown came to UM then fourth at worst. Again, I think he is better than any back on that roster, because he's shown it. They haven't.

And Cooper's 4.9 yard per carry is just so amazing. Funny that is the main selling point over Evans.

Evans would be, at worst, third at UM after his season last year. Had Bryce Brown came to UM then fourth at worst. Again, I think he is better than any back on that roster, because he's shown it. They haven't.

And Cooper's 4.9 yard per carry is just so amazing. Funny that is the main selling point over Evans.

And the Bryant over White thing is just funny.

Based on talent he would be 7th. Based on on-field production he would be first, obviously, but there are different factors that contribute to rushing statistics.

I really don't care about these statistics. Cooper has game-breaking ability. He needs run more decisively, and if he does he will dominate all year. If he doesn't, he'll still be slightly less mediocre than Evans.

Maybe you don't watch games, pretty sure you do not, but Dwyer was very, very explosive last season.

Right, just because I don't agree with you, it means that I don't watch games.

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Greene one of the best backs in college football

According to you, so was Darren Evans. So he has no excuses.

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His average in games without a twenty yard run was significantly lower.

Okay? So we should punish him for breaking big runs? Makes sense. Let's take Evans' big runs away too. Greene still wins.

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Evans is a pounder.

So, again, he has no speed or agility? I'm assuming that's your definition since guys like Beanie Wells, Shonn Greene, Jon Dwyer, Gartrell Johnson etc... all smoked Evans' ypc average. But no, they can't be "pounders". What does pounder mean for you? Run into the pile, fall forward and get three yards?

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He will be, once again, more productive than any back on Michigan's roster.

A) Because that's what the original argument was. Sweet attempt at trolling.
B) Want to bet that Brandon Minor has a higher ypc than Evans?

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Let's not rehash this garbage arguement.

It's "garbage" to you because your ******** argument gets blown the **** out of water every time we do this. All I hear are excuses for why Evans sucks. Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

Any dumb **** can run into a pile and not make plays.

Oh, and since speed backs are the only ones who ever make big plays, why is Reggie Bush's pro ypc at 3.7?

Based on talent he would be 7th. Based on on-field production he would be first, obviously, but there are different factors that contribute to rushing statistics.

I really don't care about these statistics. Cooper has game-breaking ability. He needs run more decisively, and if he does he will dominate all year. If he doesn't, he'll still be slightly less mediocre than Evans.

Cooper was more mediocre than Evans last season.

For a gamebreaker, Cooper is a very average open field back. He doesn't make a ton of big plays for a guy with his supposed skill set.

I don't see much special about Cooper. Not that I see much special about Evans, but he has been more productive and valuable to his team. Evans is an above average power back who has produced very nicely, Cooper is an above average quick back who has not.

So, again, he has no speed or agility? I'm assuming that's your definition since guys like Beanie Wells, Shonn Greene, Jon Dwyer, Gartrell Johnson etc... all smoked Evans' ypc average. But no, they can't be "pounders". What does pounder mean for you? Run into the pile, fall forward and get three yards?

He has decent straight line speed, little agility.

Again, comparing three top ten backs to Evans. I never said he is or was in their league. And yes, all three are more adept at creating big plays.

Johnson is the only player on the list who is not explosive, and he played inferior competition. 5.3 yard per carry against that competition is about right for a power back. Evans played BC twice, FSU, GT, UM, etc..

A) Because that's what the original argument was. Sweet attempt at trolling.
B) Want to bet that Brandon Minor has a higher ypc than Evans?

I'd bet he has more yards and touchdowns.

It's "garbage" to you because your ******** argument gets blown the **** out of water every time we do this. All I hear are excuses for why Evans sucks. Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

People always get mad when losing arguements.

I have stats, you have nothing.

Any dumb **** can run into a pile and not make plays.

Oh, and since speed backs are the only ones who ever make big plays, why is Reggie Bush's pro ypc at 3.7?

Evans has one of the bottom 5 ypc averages out of the top 50 in carries from last year, and at least one of those is a QB.

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I have stats, you have nothing

Still waiting for an explanation on that one...

What ******* stats do you have? Every important stat shows that Evans is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill running back. And of course Evans will get more yards than Minor, since he's going to get a ****load more carries. However, I'll take the ypc bet, unless you're too chicken **** to take it.

I'm assuming you also think Javon Ringer had a better year than Shonn Greene? I mean, he had more carries and more touchdowns, so championship, right?

What ******* stats do you have? Every important stat shows that Evans is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill running back. And of course Evans will get more yards than Minor, since he's going to get a ****load more carries. However, I'll take the ypc bet, unless you're too chicken **** to take it.

I'm assuming you also think Javon Ringer had a better year than Shonn Greene? I mean, he had more carries and more touchdowns, so championship, right?

Stats like yards and touchdowns. Not important at all! Lol.

As for Ringer and Greene...

Evans had 33% more yards than Cooper, 55% more touchdowns, 40% more carries.

Ringer had 12% less yards than Greene, 9% more touchdowns, 21% more carries.

Yards and TDs are important, but they're not always the best reflection of a player. Any college back can get 1,265 yards on 287 carries. For the last ******* time, 4.4 yards per carry, for a collegiate starter, sucks. I don't care how you spin it, it sucks. With TDs, anyone who gets it as much as Evans does in the red zone can score 11 TDs.

Look at that...Not a single Darren Evans TD came from outside the red zone, and all but one came from 10 yards or closer. Over half of his touchdowns came from five yards or closer. I'm sorry, that's not impressive. If you really think that's good, you must also believe that Jehuu Caulcrick, he of the 21 TDs, was the Big 10's best back in 2007.

Evans had the third most carries in the country in the red zone with 74. It's very easy to see why he had 11 TDs. Of the top 10 players for red zone carries, he had the fewest touchdowns.

Yards and TDs are important, but they're not always the best reflection of a player. Any college back can get 1,265 yards on 287 carries. For the last ******* time, 4.4 yards per carry, for a collegiate starter, sucks. I don't care how you spin it, it sucks. With TDs, anyone who gets it as much as Evans does in the red zone can score 11 TDs.

Look at that...Not a single Darren Evans TD came from outside the red zone, and all but one came from 10 yards or closer. Over half of his touchdowns came from five yards or closer. I'm sorry, that's not impressive. If you really think that's good, you must also believe that Jehuu Caulcrick, he of the 21 TDs, was the Big 10's best back in 2007.

Evans had the third most carries in the country in the red zone with 74. It's very easy to see why he had 11 TDs. Of the top 10 players for red zone carries, he had the fewest touchdowns.

I've never said he was an amazing, or great, runningback. He is a good runningback who does what he does well. He is a tough player who picks up tough yards and wears down defenses. He isn't shifty, he doesn't make big plays. Because of that he will never be a dynamic talent.

But he does what he does well, and that is why he was a vital part of our offense and vital to us winning the ACC. And the fans love him as well, because of how he plays. Believe me, I'm called a Darren Evans hater on Rivals for saying RW and DW are more talented.

But calling a guy like Evans, who put up big numbers as a freshman against a tough defensive schedule, average is false.

I've never said he was an amazing, or great, runningback. He is a good runningback who does what he does well. He is a tough player who picks up tough yards and wears down defenses. He isn't shifty, he doesn't make big plays. Because of that he will never be a dynamic talent.

But he does what he does well, and that is why he was a vital part of our offense and vital to us winning the ACC. And the fans love him as well, because of how he plays. Believe me, I'm called a Darren Evans hater on Rivals for saying RW and DW are more talented.

But calling a guy like Evans, who put up big numbers as a freshman against a tough defensive schedule, average is false.