At no point in my stance have I resorted to being personally critical of anyone so I don't understand your need to start down that track with me.

I'm not

I'm just tapping into your moral tone. What personal criticism is there in my post? Clearly you are selective in your ethics since you have chosen to reply. Another example of this is your reaction when being asked to comment on clubs being sponsored by compoanies that specialise in tax avoidance.

And before anyone says that's naive, I've worked as a commercial manager in sport for over 15 years and done so in Rugby League at all levels and in sports that dwarf Rugby League.

would you have rejected sponsorship from Probiz?

Anyway it wouldn't have been your call surely. You were a club employee. decisions about income sources, their ammounts and nature would have been for the board of directors to take. I can see why you 'worked' as a commercial manager and not 'work' as one.

no its not, no more than having a gambling sponsor, a drinks sponsor, a political sponsor like a trade union, a fizzy drink sponsor, a hamburger sponsor, a chemical company sponsor, a car company sponsor (cars kill thousands of people a year) etc etc.....

Thats a very accurate summation. Morals are mythical as we all can prove when we can make a fast quid or so, thay are also something that exist in the minds of those that can afford them also, so good luck to anyone that can.

Search is working fine, I just tested it. If you're using it from within an open topic, it'll only search within that topic unless you choose a different search option (ie, forum) at the side of your search words.

Search is working fine, I just tested it. If you're using it from within an open topic, it'll only search within that topic unless you choose a different search option (ie, forum) at the side of your search words.

I'm just tapping into your moral tone. What personal criticism is there in my post? Clearly you are selective in your ethics since you have chosen to reply. Another example of this is your reaction when being asked to comment on clubs being sponsored by compoanies that specialise in tax avoidance.

You're not tapping into anything, as I said if you have a "fixation" with Probiz and Tax avoidance then good for you.

If it helps you, I see the Loan Shark industry as directly attacking and exploiting vulnerable people. They target them by knocking on the doors of their homes with enticements knowing full well that the people they're after are desperate for a break, desperate for a new winter coat for their kids, desperate to put more than a couple of days food in the pantry or desperate not to have to choose between keeping the gas or the electricity on. It's a honey trap and they lay it well!

Despite the link you posted there seems to be absolutely no will from the Government to regulate this industry, in fact exactly the opposite.See:Jonathan Luffs move from senior Conservative party lobbyist to Wonga DirectorError Damelin & Jonty Hurwitz donations to the Conservative partyBoris Johnsons much criticised transport deal with WongaAdrian Beecrofts move into Cabinet affairsEtc. etc

HMRC are there to regulate such companies as Probiz and no doubt there IS a will to find and close down loopholes in their industry.While I've no doubt that tax avoidance eventually comes round to bite us all on the bum in one form or another it's generally practiced by people, rightly or wrongly, seeking to protect their own assets rather than directly targeting and exploiting vulnerable people on a face to face basis. You might argue that it's only a subtle difference and wrong is wrong but I see it as a huge difference and I'll pick my own fights if you don't mind.