I thought it was worth looking at what people said about torture back in the day when there were only a few people complaining about it. I thought Poly's question was interesting. Have we learned anything. I'd like to say yes, but I'm afraid we'll just all forget again once the pendulum swings again and there is a new administration to stoke fear in people who should otherwise understand the values we share.

I thought it was worth looking at what people said about torture back in the day when there were only a few people complaining about it. I thought Poly's question was interesting. Have we learned anything. I'd like to say yes, but I'm afraid we'll just all forget again once the pendulum swings again and there is a new administration to stoke fear in people who should otherwise understand the values we share.

And I still live in hope that now that the nature of torture(and how people can get around taking responsibility for it) and who pointed the finger, and was only too glad to sharetheir well-worn techniques, that would bring home the plightof the Palestinians (and the reason why they commit acts ofdesperation ((face it--- blowing ones self up is about as desperate as you can get!!!)) in the attempt to bring what'sbeing done to them to the attention of the WORLD At Large)

once the pendulum swings again and there is a new administration to stoke fear in people

A bit fatalistic, eh?

Although, while I would like to think that four years of doing the right thing might wean us off of eight years of lies and criminal activity, we could have a "relapse" at some point if Obama continues to impede the investigations and prosecutions of Bush's own little SS.

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