Let's move to next season: Will we see the first ISU rectified 4F and 4Lo and 4T+4T?

It seemed that the Men's Figure Skating Season is almost over. Let's have some interesting topic over this board: Will we see the first ISU-rectified Quadruple Flip, Quadruple Loop and Quad + Quad combo in the next season?

I acutally like this much much improved Gachinsky. Someone even did a nice makeover with hair, makeup and all that jazz. I think it is impressive Worlds debut and certainly someone to watch out this Olympic cycle.

Maybe Daisuke will do the quad flip. I didn't know Gachinski intended on trying a 4Loop or 4T-4T (has he already tried the loop?). If VDP comes back, we might see a 4T-4T from him, but I still think it's doubtful.

Maybe Daisuke will do the quad flip. I didn't know Gachinski intended on trying a 4Loop or 4T-4T (has he already tried the loop?). If VDP comes back, we might see a 4T-4T from him, but I still think it's doubtful.

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I have this tiny hope that with nothing to lose, Daisuke might attempt 4F tomorrow successfully and get it ISU-rectified.

No. Plushenko tried one originally at the CoR 2001, and only JUST missed landing it - two footed, nearly recovered but ended up splatting. Shame, if you type in "plushenko quad lutz" on Youtube you can find it, it was actually a very close attempt (and shock horror, the American commentators liked him then...) He never tried it again after that, mostly because he was in his Olympic season battling Yagudin and didn't want to risk hurting himself, and then after that season I guess he figured he didn't need it anymore because Yagudin had retired.

He's bringing it back though, and has been working on it and the 4Lo and 4S in training. I have a feeling he'd like to have it as his second quad in the SP if he could get it consistent.

Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

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I thought of this guy! Couldn't think of the name right away so dropped it. But it could be someone like him to do it.

Now I just think of what I read about them saying why they are probably not going to try it. Something like it is not like doing a triple with one extra revolution - it is a compeletely different thing and that is tough even trying.

Gachinksi 4 loop looked so good.

Would like to see Rippon try a 4lz. He can do a 3lz with both arms over his head so there is something about a lz that he can do it in a much harder fashion than everyone else already!

The throw quad isn't worth a hell of a lot: A throw 4F is work 9.0 points. A throw 3F is worth 5.5. And the difference between a quad-twist and triple-twist is even narrower: 2.2 to 2.7 difference (assuming matching levels).

Also, rewatching their LP, Aliona seems to rotate quite slowly (relatively speaking), which would make a quad throw even less likely.

I think a clean 4t-4t is too much, so I don't think we'll see one any time soon; although Plushy has attempted 3A-4t in practice.

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Plushy is landing 3A-4T in practice apparently but is undecided whether he will try in competition. He has admitted trying 4T-4T but that it would basically have to be a 20-second program for him to try it in competition because he's phyiscally unable to do anything else after it. I don't know whether that has anything to do with where he tried it in his practice session, but it doesn't sound good.

Plushy is landing 3A-4T in practice apparently but is undecided whether he will try in competition.

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The attempt I watched was under-rotated, and I don't think he has ever rotated one. His attempt was impressive and I admire him for trying it, but there is no doubt it's not good enough to try it in competition.
And will he compete again at such a level ?

The attempt I watched was under-rotated, and I don't think he has ever rotated one. His attempt was impressive and I admire him for trying it, but there is no doubt it's not good enough to try it in competition.
And will he compete again at such a level ?

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The only vision of this we have is from around about May last year, I think. If he continued to work on it, I have no doubt he would be rotating it properly by now. We shall have to see.

HOW many times is this going to have to be said? PLUSHENKO IS NOT BANNED FOR LIFE. Cinquantta (sp?) himself said they're aiming to reinstate him in June. He WILL be back.

Although he is obscure and only finished in tenth place at Russian nationals, let's not forget Vladislav Sezganov, who is practicing the quad lutz and can be seen doing an amazing one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIv1_eYk9Cg. Of course, I realize he won't be competing internationally at ISU championships, but maybe taking the third spot at Cup of Russia some year is in his future and he can attempt his quad there.

The throw quad isn't worth a hell of a lot: A throw 4F is work 9.0 points. A throw 3F is worth 5.5. And the difference between a quad-twist and triple-twist is even narrower: 2.2 to 2.7 difference (assuming matching levels).

Also, rewatching their LP, Aliona seems to rotate quite slowly (relatively speaking), which would make a quad throw even less likely.

Would be awesome, though.

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Points wise, I think it would be better for them to stick to the triple flip and maybe try and do side by side triple salchows instead of double axels. They get 2s and 3s consistenly on their triple flip, and I don't think it's worth the risk to go for the quad. Also, I think that one of the amazing things about the triple flip that they do is her delay and slow rotation in the air, and I don't want to lose that.