He wanted complete freedom of choice for all.This would lead to chaos and destrustion for many.

The Father's plan gives the illusion of choice but is really only a predetermined set of conditions which are designed to 'shepherd' the flock in the direction He wants them to go. A system wherein you can make any choice you want but; the choices which are in line with the pre-set plan will bring rewards, those which do not conform bring pain and misery like a cattle prod to the heart and soul. it is a system designed to 'encourage' certain behaviours; compliance and complacency.

God gave you free will; The free will to do as you are told. Disobediance is punished until you have 'repented' and returned to the pre-set path. This may take one agonizing lifetime...or many. You do not get out until you have learned total obedience and given yourself over completely to His will. Lucifer saw the hipocracy in this and rebelled.

Nice thread to read...If not for OYE, not much of a thread, thanks for all the bright answers and am happy you're sharp!The poster who said that Lucifer is uncreated from the uncreated God, coming to bring balance between body, soul and SPIRIT...But imho only part of the truth, to be here you also need a part of your being that drags you into creation...Half 'n halfBut again, just my opinion, and also Lucifer being dissolved into uncreation, nah hardly, perhaps at some time close, but no way...There was too much love still to share

lucifer rebelled because it wanted to be God. There is only one God. Read the first commandment. The process has been in reverse since the rebellion. The Lord's Prayer says, "Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth AS it is in Heaven." Also, says, "Give us this day our daily bread."

What is happening here on this earth is a reflection of what occurred in heaven. Lucifer's works are an exercise in futility because it is all for loss. The system fails because it is wrought with the false promises and trappings that are temporal and self-serving. As lightning it will come crashing to earth in its continued descent, and as lucifer continues to unwind with its hoodwinked following, the fiery furnace awaits all of those of eternal darkness after the final judgment. They will return to unlife with no name in unsingularity in an all consuming black hole which is basically the fruits of the dark lusts' labor. The book of the dead and the akashic records will never be validated as the spirit of the antichrist tries to seal all with the mark of the beast in this false space-time matrix.

lucifer knows the battle is lost, and in the end wants nothing. Words or acronyms with UN are clues to the effort. The effort of the ones who want to be saved should be to pray for salvation and already ask thanks for an eternal name in our heavenly Father's Book of Life. The name you have now in this three dimensional prison that is rendered in all caps and subject to maritime law is not that name. It is false like the program darkness tries to validate in your being. Pray to have your eyes and ears opened to the the truth, the light and the way of Jesus Christ.

The only way to escape this end product of the heart is to accept Jesus Christ as the bridge to eternity. The last baptism is by fire. Those who accept Christ's eternal love will pass through this fire unscathed and stand anew before the one true God.

The daily bread is to remind you that it is not necessary to store up vast wealth on this earth at the expense of others. It is not the one true God's design. When the heart is attuned through Christ, God provides. You need to have faith. There is a major effort by darkness to stop the awakening of the multitude and the 144,000. It is for naught. Our Lord Jesus Christ's ultimate and final victory is at hand. Praise be to him.

So is God. It's the biggest conspiracy of all. Still carefully hidden away by most of the Main Stream religions.It does not make any scientific sense to equate 'god' to the male. If sciencists had to argue on a theory of god's sexuality they would have to go with female.

We as organic life have been slowly knitting together and recombining the lost fragments..........................except for those elements that refuse reconciliation and will not bow down to the smart monkeys.

Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

I DO NOT KNOW WHERE Anon-Cow: ID # 1103915 got his informationbut it's wrong.....If you people will go to the King-James version of the Bible and look up the "War in Heaven" you will see that god asked Jesus Christ and Satan to put forth a plan to have all the spirits that were to be sent to Earth, one day,will return home to Father in Heaven.

Satan chose a plan that did not allow a person on Earth to have his free agency to chose right from wrong and therefore could do not do wrong and will return to the father.The Father asked Jesus for his plan and Jesus described his plan that will allow a person on Earth to have and use his Free Agency knowing that some will do good and some will do bad but in the end the majority will return home to the father.

The Father chose Jesus plan and rejected Satan's plan so Satan having the power to do so, took 1/3 of the host of Heaven with him and fell from Fathers Grace.

THIS IS AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF THE STORY SO GO CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!

That would be a continually eroding image to a single unpoint of unsingularity ripped apart with loss of identity, belief, image, etc (cue the bottomless pit). The fiery furnace consumes the victim(s) in abject loneliness, with fear and madness in eternal fiery torment.

At present, he tries to be the spiritual moon. A dead object of sort which for some odd reason is without name. What other heavenly body is unnamed? Hence you have a false reflection, the light bearer in darkness. Sonoma means valley of the moon. This is his attempt to to rip the Son of Man apart.

i'm jumping in here late, but it seems that Lucifer rebelled for a few reasons. the first one was that he felt his position was threatened. when he realized that God was planning to create mankind (who would rank above the angels and be in God's own image) Lucifer decided to attempt to maintain his own position in the infinite realms. He attempted to rise above God and forge his own way.

Lucifer was not alone in this. He took 1/3 of the angels with him and launched a war campaign.

Here's the problem:God knows what is best for everyone and everything involved. There is always good reason and divine providence for all of His decisions and order.

Why didn't God just destroy Lucifer and the angels that sided with him? God will not go back on His creation.

Lucifer tried to overthrow God's Heaven and was defeated. He was sent to Earth, the place that he once desired but now hates. He was banished here. And now, in his fury, is set to destroy it.

Interesting note: Lucifer is still under God's command to aid mankind to reach their full potential, which is a station higher than his own. That has not changed (the command). He has not been relieved of that duty. God will not go back on His intent. But, Lucifer (who's taken on many names now and none of them good) hates what he is commanded to do and rebels.

Another interesting note: Satan attempts to get mankind to think exactly like him - to rebel against God, believe yourself to not need God and to be above God. but, the important thing to realize is that Satan knows the consequences of that thinking and how it leads to destruction. He is already condemned and wants to take all of mankind with him.

He doesn't maintain that deception because he thinks he has something to build upon or that this campaign will produce fruit. He already knows it means annihilation, which is the quickest way to accomplish his task - the annihilation of mankind.

i'm jumping in here late, but it seems that Lucifer rebelled for a few reasons. the first one was that he felt his position was threatened. when he realized that God was planning to create mankind (who would rank above the angels and be in God's own image) Lucifer decided to attempt to maintain his own position in the infinite realms. He attempted to rise above God and forge his own way.

Lucifer was not alone in this. He took 1/3 of the angels with him and launched a war campaign.

Here's the problem:God knows what is best for everyone and everything involved. There is always good reason and divine providence for all of His decisions and order.

Why didn't God just destroy Lucifer and the angels that sided with him? God will not go back on His creation.

Lucifer tried to overthrow God's Heaven and was defeated. He was sent to Earth, the place that he once desired but now hates. He was banished here. And now, in his fury, is set to destroy it.

Interesting note: Lucifer is still under God's command to aid mankind to reach their full potential, which is a station higher than his own. That has not changed (the command). He has not been relieved of that duty. God will not go back on His intent. But, Lucifer (who's taken on many names now and none of them good) hates what he is commanded to do and rebels.

Another interesting note: Satan attempts to get mankind to think exactly like him - to rebel against God, believe yourself to not need God and to be above God. but, the important thing to realize is that Satan knows the consequences of that thinking and how it leads to destruction. He is already condemned and wants to take all of mankind with him.

He doesn't maintain that deception because he thinks he has something to build upon or that this campaign will produce fruit. He already knows it means annihilation, which is the quickest way to accomplish his task - the annihilation of mankind.

Quoting: Salt

another thing about Lucifer's station - he lost his rank and station with the fall, but this in no way means his is not allowed in Heaven. The only thing lost was his position.

Zechariah 3:1-2And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Job 1:6-126 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.