e0y2e3 wrote:And again, I like Barnes as a guy with our second pick as well, just am real scared by his complete inability to create a shot and his less than ideal catch and shoot while having a guy within 10 yards of him FG splits.

Barnes isn't going to last until the Cavs' second 1R pick. The Clips are going to deliver us a pick in the 8-10 range. Barnes' performance in the NCAA Tournament just pushed him back into the top five, maybe even top three.

With Sullinger committing to OSU for another year, it's really starting to look like the top three picks are going to be Irving, Williams and Barnes in some order. The most attractive picks at the Clips' slot will probably be Leonard, one of the Morris twins or Valanciunas, the Lithuanian seven-footer.

I'm not counting on Knight still being there at 8-10. He's been getting better as the tournament has gone on, and if he has a killer Final Four, he's going to be running up Kyrie's back for the title of best PG in the draft. It may not be a true assessment from a talent/skill standpoint, but Knight will be a certifiable hot property if he blows up next weekend. He could feasibly go as high as the 4-5 slot if he gets enough momentum.

e0y2e3 wrote:And again, I like Barnes as a guy with our second pick as well, just am real scared by his complete inability to create a shot and his less than ideal catch and shoot while having a guy within 10 yards of him FG splits.

Barnes isn't going to last until the Cavs' second 1R pick. The Clips are going to deliver us a pick in the 8-10 range. Barnes' performance in the NCAA Tournament just pushed him back into the top five, maybe even top three.

With Sullinger committing to OSU for another year, it's really starting to look like the top three picks are going to be Irving, Williams and Barnes in some order. The most attractive picks at the Clips' slot will probably be Leonard, one of the Morris twins or Valanciunas, the Lithuanian seven-footer.

I'm not counting on Knight still being there at 8-10. He's been getting better as the tournament has gone on, and if he has a killer Final Four, he's going to be running up Kyrie's back for the title of best PG in the draft. It may not be a true assessment from a talent/skill standpoint, but Knight will be a certifiable hot property if he blows up next weekend. He could feasibly go as high as the 4-5 slot if he gets enough momentum.

Not feeling it.

Dude is 20/56 from the floor in this tourney. He shoots poorly against guys that can defend and move with him. In fact, in the OSU win and the princeton win the only thing keeping him from being William Buford is one shot falling. Literally so in the Princeton game.

You don't know if he can defend on the ball when he has Harrelson and Jones behind him. Jesus, if Craft could finish he'd have scored 10 points on blow-bys of Knight alone.

Now if you can tell me the last time film and workouts between the end of the tourney and the draft itself didn't turn all that shit upside down I'll call you a liar because that time never happened.

Every single prospect in this draft has huge question marks. Kyrie is the most complete but also played 13 games all year.

These guys are all in an hour glass right now and it is going to be shaken and mixed a thousand times between now and the draft. Let's not pretend like players get drafted off of nothing more than the NCAA tourney for the most part. One or two guys (like Kemba "Mo" Williams) blow up on the draft boards, but it is far from the determining factor in most things.

That said, fuck, you told me the Cavs "had" to take Perry Jones at number one just over a month ago.

Edit: if one of the twins goes in the top seven you can have my account. I'll wager my posting eternity that don't happen.

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e0y2e3 wrote:These guys are all in an hour glass right now and it is going to be shaken and mixed a thousand times between now and the draft. Let's not pretend like players get drafted off of nothing more than the NCAA tourney for the most part. One or two guys (like Kemba "Mo" Williams) blow up on the draft boards, but it is far from the determining factor in most things.

That said, fuck, you told me the Cavs "had" to take Perry Jones at number one just over a month ago.

If the NCAA tourney was a true barometer of NBA success Harold The Show Arceneaux would be a HOFer.

Dude is 20/56 from the floor in this tourney. He shoots poorly against guys that can defend and move with him. In fact, in the OSU win and the princeton win the only thing keeping him from being William Buford is one shot falling. Literally so in the Princeton game.

You don't know if he can defend on the ball when he has Harrelson and Jones behind him. Jesus, if Craft could finish he'd have scored 10 points on blow-bys of Knight alone.

No way is he a top 5 guy in this draft.

Certainly not yet. My qualifier is what Knight does in the next two games. If he looks really good against Walker and Mack/Rodriguez, his draft stock jumps. Honestly, who is standing between him and the five spot right now? The Joneses? Alec Burks? Donatas Motiejunas? Jimmer Fredette?

If he's a 10 pick right now, being the lead player on a national title winner jumps him to serious contention for the fifth pick. There isn't a whole lot standing between 5 and 10 right now. Which may be a commentary on the state of this draft, but the point about Knight's draft stock still stands.

All I know is this draft is a jumbled mess, probably more so at the top end than any draft in recent memory. It's not going to take a lot to shuffle the deck five picks one way or another.

Draft slots are supposed to be based on a season's body of work, but in a draft like this, with no real anchor players, there isn't a lot of definitive evidence. Irving, a consensus top three pick by most measurements, played in 13 games all year. The other two guys digging a toehold in the top three are Williams, who came out of nowhere to have a great sophomore season, and Barnes, who was a bust in January.

If I'm being a changeable window-shopping chick, heaven knows what NBA teams are going through right now.

After that you have a jumbled mess for the next 5-10 prospects making a tier.

Then you have "the next tier"

Right now Knight floating between the last tier and the second tier.

Jumbled mess, sure, but clear tiers exist. Barnes and Williams are the guys that have and will continue to bounce between 2 and 7 for the next forever.

Most of the guys you just mentioned are legit at best 15-20 guys.

Again, watch barnes closely, look at his splits, there is reason for doubt and most years he would prob be a 7-12 guy for sure. And you really discount valla and Kanter pulling the standard foreign jump that we have seen a thousand times.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Bucks were building the right way, then decided fuck it and spent a billion dollars last year.

And let’s not forget, no team in the league has lost even 75% as many starters minutes to injuries as the Bucks. A lot of shit went wrong there. There may only be one player in this draft as raw talented as Jennings and No big as talented as Bogut (even though he ain’t himself this year, needs another off-season to rehab ripping his arm in half).

e0y2e3 wrote:Bucks were building the right way, then decided fuck it and spent a billion dollars last year.

And let’s not forget, no team in the league has lost even 75% as many starters minutes to injuries as the Bucks. A lot of shit went wrong there. There may only be one player in this draft as raw talented as Jennings and No big as talented as Bogut (even though he ain’t himself this year, needs another off-season to rehab ripping his arm in half).

And the answer is no. Kahn does what Kahn wants and he has already declared that Rubio may never play for them, but he is a genius for owning his trade rights (and Rubio blew goats balls this year and is possibly the most overhyped prospect ever)

Johnny Flynn also blows. He and Kemba attended the same school of overratedness.

And the answer is no. Kahn does what Kahn wants and he has already declared that Rubio may never play for them, but he is a genius for owning his trade rights (and Rubio blew goats balls this year and is possibly the most overhyped prospect ever)

Johnny Flynn also blows. He and Kemba attended the same school of overratedness.

Kyrie probably goes first even if the team already has a good or great PG. He will probably net more through trade than whatever you would get from the rest of the picks in this draft.

Someone to keep an eye on with our Clippers pick is Bismack Biyombo, who has been rocketing up the boards. Looks Serge Ibaka-esque at 6'9 with a 7'7 wingspan and some good hops. Absolutely dominant defensively at the Nike Hoops Summit and leads his Euroleague in rebounds per minute.http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... layerblog/

I just mentioned Bismack elsewhere and agree that he is a serious option with that pick now.

Leonard also just declared who I wouldn't mind at all there either. In a draft this shitty a great lock down defender/rebounder that can score with energy isn't a terrible prospect.

That said Ford claims we are looking at Knight, Jimmer and Kemba with that second pick if we don't get Kyrie. That makes me want to hang myself. I also highly doubt Ford having that detailed of info locked down this early in the process.

e0y2e3 wrote:I just mentioned Bismack elsewhere and agree that he is a serious option with that pick now.

Leonard also just declared who I wouldn't mind at all there either. In a draft this shitty a great lock down defender/rebounder that can score with energy isn't a terrible prospect.

That said Ford claims we are looking at Knight, Jimmer and Kemba with that second pick if we don't get Kyrie. That makes me want to hang myself. I also highly doubt Ford having that detailed of info locked down this early in the process.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Being a UK fan, I watched a lot of Jones and Knight. Neither is a can't miss prospect. Jones, is one, I would stay away from. There is potential there, but he takes forever to get his shot off, can't go right, average passer, and really another year under Calipari would serve him well. I would be shocked to see him go in the top ten, but considering how weak this draft is, maybe I shouldn't be. He did seem to have some attitude issues early on, but I do think Cal got through to him, and didn't hear any rumblings later in the year.

Knight will be a fine NBA player. He reminds me of Mark Price. He will shoot over 40% from outside the arch and is a clutch player for the most part. His defensive presence improved greatly over the season. Calipari is underrated when it comes to getting his kids to play defense. I expect Knight to continue to improve defensively. His play making ability improved, but is not NBA quality. It may never be. He has to many turnovers, and his passing sucks.