I see there is some Carl Sagan in the mix in there too. Great person with a great mind, but also the biggest scientific skeptic. I remember him always
saying stuff like extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Yes it certainly looks that way when it comes to UFO's. Even more so when you
have a government that hides everything and makes everything top secret. However, pictures, video evidence and eye witness testimony has been used in
the court of law everyday.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
It would be nice if these documents actually lead to the discovery of hard physical evidence of something, or at least more documents documenting some
hard physical evidence the first documents helped uncover. But the more I consider them, and the longer they sit around without newer follow-up
documents to help verify them or the activities they describe, the more I think that all they really add up to is a lot of interdepartmental
tail-chasing.

So what happened to the saucers? I guess they just vanished, because in this day and age, paperwork multiplies like bacteria. And if there are
aliens and saucers sitting around, with large groups of people actually studying them and generating reports, it seems unlikely that there wouldn't
be even more documents concerning them now than there were then. Piles and volumes of documents, the sheer volume of which makes them ever more
difficult to contain.

A relatively small number of blurry documents from decades ago just makes me think that whoever created them were clueless and ignorant and guessing
about rumors and scuttlebutt and fantasy, and nothing ever happened to make them less clueless and ignorant.

Pretty much all I would think of to say were I articulate enough, but being 61, I'm sure My eulogy would have been over for several months by the
time I made my way through all this. The amount is Staggering to be sure.

I'll go ahead and say it because it seems unlikely anybody else will out of awe and respect, and mind you I'm discounting nothing !! ....it's just
that I'm overwhelmed with the volume of your thread, 'and impressed', but for us mere mortals, ........what did you diffinatively come away
with.....? Any Concrete Evidence of a true extraterrestrial? I guess, I'm avoiding reading through the whole thing (too daunting at this time) and
asking what others might...... Are We Alone? To paraphrase Mulder, "the truth is out there"

Excellent work, great compilation and effort.
I guess other members will boil this all down to the Key Elements........

Part B1 : Roswell and Hoover on access to discs recovered (1947)

The teletype dated 8 July 1947 shown below expressly relates to the Roswell incident. (It can also be found in Part 2 of 16 at page 5 of 79 and at the
link mentioned in Part C4 below).

This document indicates that “the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector”, which would appear to be
consistent with the subsequent Air Force attempts to debunk the Roswell UFO crash stories. However, the document continues with the intriguing (and
frustratingly vague…) comment that “but that telephonic conversation between their office and Wright Field had not xxxxxxxxxx borne out this
belief”.

The name redacted in the above copy of the memo appears on some websites as Major Curtan, indicating that the FBI released an unredacted copy of this
memo at some point. See, for example, a post by Don Allen from 1992 at: www.v-j-enterprises.com...

FEET IN DIAMETER. MAJOR CURTAN FURTHER ADVISED THAT THE OBJECT
FOUND RESEMBLES A HIGH ALTITUDE WEATHER BALLOON WITH A RADAR

REFLECTOR, BUT THAT TELEPHONIC CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEIR OFFICE AND

WRIGHT FIELD HAD NOT xxxxxxxxxx BORNE OUT THIS BELIEF. DISC AND

BALLOON BEING TRANSPORTED TO WRIGHT FIELD BY SPECIAL PLANE FOR EXAMIN

INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS OFFICE BECAUSE OF NATIONAL INTEREST IN CASE

xxxx AND FACT THAT NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, ASSOCIATED PRESS, A

OTHERS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK STORY OF LOCATION OF DISC TODAY. MAJOR

CURTAN ADVISED WOULD REQUEST WRIGHT FIELD TO ADVISE CINCINNATI

OFFICE RESULTS OF EXAMINATION. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING

CONDUCTED.

(Clearly, finding any unredacted copies of official documents is much preferable to simply using redacted copies since, amongst other things, relevant
names make further investigations much easier).

A report on Roswell published by the United State Air Force in 1995 entitled “The Roswell Report Fact vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert”
(written by Colonel Richard Weaver and 1st Lt James McAndrew) quotes part of this memo at page 22 in the following paragraph (page 39 of 998 in the
PDF version at the link below):

what was originally reported to have been recovered was a balloon of some sort, usually described as a "weather balloon," although the
majority of the wreckage that was ultimately displayed by General Ramey and Major Marcel in the famous photos (Atch 16) in Fort Worth was
that of a radar target normally suspended from balloons. This radar target, discussed in more detail later, was certainly consistent with the
description of July 9 newspaper article which discussed "tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks." Additionally, the description of the "flying
disc" was consistent with a document routinely used by most pro-UFO writers to indicate a conspiracy in progress-the telegram from the Dallas FBI
office of July 8, 1947. This document quoted in part states: " ... The disc is hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a balloon by a cable, which
balloon was approximately twenty feet in diameter .... the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector .... disc
and balloon being transported .... "

As will be apparent to anyone looking at the full document above, that Air Force report was extremely selective in its quotation. Richard Weaver
quoted the words “the object found resembles a high altitude weather balloon with a radar reflector” but then completely skips the intriguing
words that follow “but that telephonic conversation between their office and Wright Field had not xxxxxxxxxx borne out this belief”.

Umm, excuse me, but that sort of partial quotation is just not cricket (and reinforces the desirability of having the source material as easily
accessible and searchable as possible…)!

When you have so much data, tell me one can be certain what they are dleaing with, and yes why exclude even out of this world... Exactly if you are to
remain credible, you cannot exclude any possibilities.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
It would be nice if these documents actually lead to the discovery of hard physical evidence of something, or at least more documents documenting some
hard physical evidence the first documents helped uncover. But the more I consider them, and the longer they sit around without newer follow-up
documents to help verify them or the activities they describe, the more I think that all they really add up to is a lot of interdepartmental
tail-chasing.

So what happened to the saucers? I guess they just vanished, because in this day and age, paperwork multiplies like bacteria. And if there are
aliens and saucers sitting around, with large groups of people actually studying them and generating reports, it seems unlikely that there wouldn't
be even more documents concerning them now than there were then. Piles and volumes of documents, the sheer volume of which makes them ever more
difficult to contain.

A relatively small number of blurry documents from decades ago just makes me think that whoever created them were clueless and ignorant and guessing
about rumors and scuttlebutt and fantasy, and nothing ever happened to make them less clueless and ignorant.

Pretty much all I would think of to say were I articulate enough, but being 61, I'm sure My eulogy would have been over for several months by the
time I made my way through all this. The amount is Staggering to be sure.

I'll go ahead and say it because it seems unlikely anybody else will out of awe and respect, and mind you I'm discounting nothing !! ....it's just
that I'm overwhelmed with the volume of your thread, 'and impressed', but for us mere mortals, ........what did you diffinatively come away
with.....? Any Concrete Evidence of a true extraterrestrial? I guess, I'm avoiding reading through the whole thing (too daunting at this time) and
asking what others might...... Are We Alone? To paraphrase Mulder, "the truth is out there"

Excellent work, great compilation and effort.
I guess other members will boil this all down to the Key Elements........

your not even at retirement age and you can read a post like this!

whats wrong with you, how you going to spend your pension @ 65 if you cant go through this..

Many thanks OneisOne. Your post is EXACTLY the sort of response I wanted to my thread (although, like any man, I have no objection to posts full of
lavish praise as well...).

I've run those Corso files through some OCR software and added to them to the collections of files I mentioned in my introduction to this thread, i.e.
the Box.com and Skydrive copies at the two links below, with files names of corso_philip_j_part01.pdf to part04.pdf: www.box.com...sdrv.ms...

Copies of relevant files found on non-FBI websites weren't included in the above collections, since I wanted to restrict their contents to files
downloaded from the official FBI websites so hadn't included the copy of Corso's file on the CUFON - to avoid any possible questions over their
provenance (although I'd rather have links to additional relevant files on non-FBI websites than no further links at all...).

I hope a mod or two is following this thread and ensures that OneisOne gets some Applause for his contribution.

Thanks again OneisOne. I hope you are able to find some more of the files mentioned in
Part G!

I didn't believe the whole JFK getting shot by his driver, also never would i have thought it was because of alien information. I found this video of
the driver close up and it does look like he did shoot him. what do you think?youtu.be...

One person listed on the FBI site from 2 December 2000 is Philip K. Dick, however the name is not hyperlinked. According to the top of the page, items
listed but not hyperlinked are items viewable at in the FBI's reading room (J. Edgar Hoover Building).

This is just the most mammoth thread I've witnessed in my short life here! Such dedication is noteworthy and exceptional, S&F for that. This will
take some time to get through and I'll probably hear some nagging from her indoors but I congratulate you on such a lot of work, great stuff!

Originally posted by OneisOne
One person listed on the FBI site from 2 December 2000 is Philip K. Dick, however the name is not hyperlinked. According to the top of the page, items
listed but not hyperlinked are items viewable at in the FBI's reading room (J. Edgar Hoover Building).

I emailed the FBI a month or two ago (when researching this thread) and asked whether files which had been viewable in the FBI's reading room a few
years ago had been scanned by the FBI and therefore could be provided without a formal FOIA request being made. I was told by the FBI that a FOIA
request would have to be made.

(I've hesitated about burdening the FBI with FOIA requests since I'd prefer to find as much as possible online and from other researchers without
bothering officials working at tax payer expense. I have fairly strong feelings about the UFO community sorting out what has already been obtained
and sharing that material before bothering government agencies with requests...).

Do you (or any other member) know how much a typical FOIA costs. I saw on the application there is a field for "willing to pay up to ____" and was
curious as to approximate cost.

Mmm. Good question. I think that the answer is probably "how long is a piece of string?" since the search and duplication costs depend on the amount
of time required to find relevant documents and the amount of pages to be copied/scanned.

However, I have read some (fairly old) FOIA correspondence where the letter enclosing relevant documents said that no fee had been charged because the
costs involved had been less than (from memory) $20 or $25. I would be interested in learning whether the FBI and other agencies still have a lower
limit beyond which they do not bother charging search or duplication fees. (It would then be possible to fill in the field for "willing to pay up to
______" with an amount equal to, or slightly below, that lower limit without being exposed to much risk of any charge being levied). I've been
meaning to look into whether there currently is any such lower limit for the FBI or other agencies, but there is only so much time in the day...

If anyone does any searches regarding this lower limit issue (or happens to know the current position), I'd be very interested in hearing any
information on this issue.

Edited to add: A few quick Google searches haven't yet found anything on the lower limit issue directly relating to the FBI's policies, but the
Department of State document at the link below suggests I wasn't imagining things and this possibility is worth looking into in relation to the FBI to
find its lower limit (if any) for FOIA fees:

The Department will not charge fees to any requester, including commercial use requesters, if the
cost of collecting a fee would be equal to or greater than the fee itself.. This means that if
billable costs are less than $10.00, the requester is not charged.

There is also the possibility of seeking a waiver of FOIA fees. That may be worth a separate thread, since it would be useful to explore that
possibility in the context of requests to other agencies as well...

A thread of truly Epic proportions!
This is beyond amazing, Mr. Koi. I found the Airl interview nothing short of eye-opening and gained a very real sense of clarity on so many
unanswered questions. Perhaps with the combined and growing consciousness of our imprisonment, we will degrade the barrier which holds us captive.

Originally posted by topdog81
A thread of truly Epic proportions!
This is beyond amazing, Mr. Koi. I found the Airl interview nothing short of eye-opening and gained a very real sense of clarity on so many
unanswered questions. Perhaps with the combined and growing consciousness of our imprisonment, we will degrade the barrier which holds us captive.

Many thanks Sir!

Did you noticed how the Airl timeline jumped over the birth of Jesus Christ?
She did however give us some alarming stats on magnetic pole reversals here on Earth.

An invite for the sheep. If the Government would have came out 30 years ago and said little grey men were real and they had proof, not many people
would believe them because our Government lies to us on a daily basis.

Since they release BS info in small leaks like they have done it gets a lot more people to believe that UFOs are real, I should say little grey
aliens.

The recent explosion of UFO sightings coincides with the dark evil that is gripping this world. Just as we have obviously had a massive advanced
culture long before that was wiped out by the flood, to rid the world of the offspring of these evil beings we can now see the warning on the wall
when the bible says the latter days will be the same as the days of Noah.

All the crazy light tricks in the sky are Demonic and the real UFO looking Craft are Government Craft as they have advanced at the same rate as our
Cars lol.

Well posted. However, since the government is undoubtedly involved in a cover-up spanning seven decades with no end in sight, the documents they
would release would surely be disinformation to serve their purpose, except for the small minority of documents that accidentally got released.
Further, if people inside this cover-up wanted to release material to the public, they would have to do so in a way that would not include jail-time
as an option. Therefore, these people would have to release the truth in bits and pieces as disinformation, leaving it to sharper members of the
public to determine what is/was true and what is/was not. So, we end up in a convuluted sea of information of all kinds: real, dis and mis
-information. In the end, the public does not know who and what to believe, what are lies and what are truths. Maybe that was the ultimate goal of
the cover-up.

If we combine not only *documents* but eyewitness reports, deathbed confessions and other information gathered via investigations, there is something
*real* to the UFO phenomenon. Sure, some/many are advanced human technology. However, evidence suggests that not all of the sightings are things man
has created. Does this mean they are little green men from Mars piloting these craft? Not necessarily. The entire realm of possibility is just too
much to even attempt to cover here. Suffice it to say that if you happen to be lucky (or unlucky) enough to see something unexplainable yourself...
well, even J. Allen Hyneck (principle scientist/investigator for Project Blue Book) stepped away from the debunker camp.

IsaacKoi
Thank you so much for this well thought out and organized thread its much appreciated..
All the information is going to take me time to read and research but you gave me a great starting point ..
This thread deserves many applause's from the Mods i do hope they see the time and love you put into this thread..peace,sugarcookie1 S&F

Having just arrived back into internet range after a long sea voyage, I was genuinely elated that I caught this thread. I was literally laughing by
the end of the 2nd page as to the colossal nature of what you have presented here on ATS.

You are in a league of your own.

Congratulations on a wonderful thread, jamb packed with information.

A Star and flag simply does not express my thanks in the monumental effort you have put into this thread, which has now become my personal all-time
favourite on ATS.

It is literally going to take me weeks to get through all of this - something that I am very much looking forward to.

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