I would like to offer this up for distribution for donations of ~50 credits. It did take me quite some time to perfect, and I think it's going to positively impact combat for a -lot- of people. Of course, I will be continuously tweaking the script and providing free updates indefinitely, including any potential suggestions for improvements or bug fixes.

*** I'm still working on a more reliable damage calculation for blademaster, and am in the process of tweaking the monk damage tracker for increased accuracy (Knuckles/armbands/stances make things tricky). Currently reasonably functional for monk, not to worry.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

important functions:SLC_init() - run this on login - or it won't workSLC_reset() - this has all the default values in it, such as attack types, and display format option (long|short) - requires a cres (reset) after changes are made

Everything is open source - feel free to provide feedback or change things (like the aliases) as much as you like - but remember, if you make changes, they'll get overwritten by updates.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

Up to about 10 people using so far, with a few good updates coming in the next few days. (including using damage as a check for illusions)

Regarding the credit price / donation - it is more or less optional for lowbie players. If you're an artied fighter, it's more than worth 50cr, if you're just getting into combat, just talk to me in game or PM me.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

The trigger coding to handle reflections, various affliction lines, parrying/guarding, illusions, etc makes it far more complex than it would seem at face value. Anybody can count to 4, but it does -far- more than that.

But, like any system, it doesn't do anything that a really talented person couldn't do. It just does it much faster, and with significantly less chance of error.

I like to think of it as a: "Gem of [You can see torso breaks now]" artefact. Or sawbones, that can be used on yourself, that doesn't have annoying damage ranges, and doesn't eat up a trait.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

In all of your examples except the Paladin one, your complex self limb counter that applies restoration for you would have gotten you killed in a real fight. Auto-applying restoration to torso is a terrible, terrible idea that people can abuse very easily.

Also, you're charging 10 times too much for it. You think your stuff is complex? You can get all of SVO for 60cr, or 30 if you already have one version. Vadi has put in hundreds of hours into that.

Also, Just updated to differentiate between Tekura punches/kicks correctly, as promised. Works like a charm.

Also, Cooper is wrong. To elaborate - my system -never- forces any cures whatsoever. It simply tells your system (SVO/Server) that you have a broken torso. It may then decide to do what it likes with that information. If you die due to poor curing priorities / logic, that's on you and your system. Simply knowing that you have a broken torso does not "kill" you in any scenario. (I was not in any of those scenarios in any of the examples)

Regarding SVO price : Vadi has also sold his system to hundreds of people, thus making the price he can charge much lower. And I am not "charging" anything, I have given it out to quite a few people already, and simply asked for a donation of 25-50cr if they feel that it is worth it. So far everyone feels that it is worth it.

If it isn't too much trouble, could you just not talk to or about me, ever? You have never, ever said anything to me that isn't blatantly derogatory and completely subjective, to the point of coming off as rather silly. I don't need you chasing me around trying to blast me every chance you get. If you (or anyone) feels that my system isn't worth what I charge (which is nothing) then simply don't ask for it. Thank you. [also, for the record, I make well over $40 an hour. I am amused that you'd put my coding at about ~2.5 cents per hour (5 credits for this system)]

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

In all of your examples except the Paladin one, your complex self limb counter that applies restoration for you would have gotten you killed in a real fight. Auto-applying restoration to torso is a terrible, terrible idea that people can abuse very easily.

I've always had my system's counter auto apply on torso and I haven't yet been in a single fight where the opponent actually abused that in any way. You're probably giving the limb breakers out there too much credit here.

Plus, it's really not that easy to abuse if your defence against limb breakers is good in the first place.

On the other hand, I've lost count of how often I've seen people get stuck with a broken torso for ages, never detecting it, and it becoming the cause of their death.

If you are alert enough to always detect torso breaks on your own and react to them in a timely fashion - great! For everyone else (which is the vast majority of people), I highly recommend tracking your own limb damage and letting it predict torso breaks.

Any experts on BM Limb damage relative to artefacts, strength, and stance, willing to sit down and play for a while? So far its the only thing I'm having issues tracking.

Regarding Cooper's "insight", if you'd ever like to disable curing of torso (or any other affliction) due to a strategic need to wait for it, then simply use vignore (or the associated function) or server curing's 26th priority.

To rephrase myself: All SLC does is track limb damage and invisible torso breaks. It at no point issues any commands other than the one to inform server curing that you have a broken torso (there is an option provided to disable this feature). Cooper is suggesting that the best way to counter a torso break abuse strategy is to simply pretend that you don't have it. My method is to know as much as possible, and make the best decision using that information. Both work, if set up right, but ignoring it leaves you far more vulnerable, far more often, and is far less easy to work into a curing priority/sequence without major losses or overlaps due to manual curing. This was actually one of the motivations for me creating SLC in the first place.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

You weren't killed in the examples because you were just testing with people. I guarantee that a normal person applying to torso as a dragon or infernal breaks your leg will get you killed, and it will against monks as well.

I never said ignore torso damage as you quoted me saying, I said auto applying is not good. When you apply to torso you need to be behind shield or have your opponent in the defensive or hindered.

This is definitely useful, but it is also very dangerous for most people. For the people who can't track torso already it's probably just going to get them killed. The all around self limb tracking is great, though.

It only appears to auto-apply, because in that given scenario, it made perfect sense to do cure the broken limbs in the way there were cured.

If anything, having a table that tells you what limbs are prepped (which SLC does for you) is incredibly useful for making the determination of how to set your priorities. (It opens the door for easily swapping priorities when prepped for sylvan/monk/vivi kill setups, only when you meet the prep criteria)

And for the third time, information never killed anyone. If you automatically prio torso of everything else, in every scenario, that can backfire (like any affliction can), but SLC in no way limits you to this. All it does is inform you that our torso is in fact broken. @Cooper I feel like you're either consciously or sub-conciously ignoring this fact. Please feel free to post an example of a combat scenario, and I'll illustrate exactly how this is put into practice.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

You can easily create a trigger/function to check SLC's limb prep table to check for any form of criteria, which in this hypothetical case is 2 prepped legs, 2 prepped arms, and prepped head.

Upon reaching that criteria, your system could simply set server curing priority for mildtrauma to 26, temporarily overriding the curing if it, to prevent the hypothetical kill setup (in this case, leading with a torso break to use up your salve balance). Upon no longer meeting the criteria, you it could simply be replaced into your priority list where it belongs, and server curing/SVO will cure it based on your priorities. Something like this is pretty obviously a good idea for vivisection protection. (Must be used carefully to avoid backfiring into a DSB)

The same principals apply to SVO. You may simply place any affliction at any time on the ignore list, including mildtrauma. SVO simply knowing that your torso is broken does not "force" it to cure it first, or at all. That determination is solely up to your system and the priorities/scenarios you tell it to use.

All SLC does is give you and your system more information to work from. In fact, this type of tool is the -only- way to consistently survive the "guaranteed" infernal vivisect setup that has been spreading around, as well as heartseed, without difficult to time and wholly unreliable typed in overrides.

There is no possible way to kill me from "Torso prepped + 1 leg prepped" scenario, so I have no such overrides in place for this case. Thus, it is completely safe to cure in the way that I did (and in fact would be unsafe not to).

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

Cooper has a point about abusing people who apply to torso right away. It's not super easy, but you if noticed we can use it agianst you. Is there a way for it not to tell svo that I have torso damage and just tell me that I'm prepped then broke? I haven't been able to look at examples because my phone is lame. Also how does it account for rapier damages being so different? Does it just count and then if you break it sets some kind of break point?

Cooper has a point about abusing people who apply to torso right away. It's not super easy, but you if noticed we can use it agianst you. Is there a way for it not to tell svo that I have torso damage and just tell me that I'm prepped then broke? I haven't been able to look at examples because my phone is lame. Also how does it account for rapier damages being so different? Does it just count and then if you break it sets some kind of break point?

Yes, I posted it above.

SVO: vignore mildtraumaSC: curing priority mildtrauma 26

Question 2: It uses assumptions, but then adjusts as it gets more information during a fight. See examples 4/5 for examples of not just correcting its number of DSLs need to break variable (intentionally set at 20 for the example), but also retroactively noticing that due to the new information, it now knows that torso was broken earlier on.

There is nothing that it does not know that a person could know, without prior knowledge of weapon stats and artefacts. (however, you can use the cset command to set your break point for any attack type, at any time, if you do have this information)

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

Yes, in settings, there is a "server_curing" option. This disables Server Curing interaction . (Not sure why you'd do this)

I kill top tier fighters using simple setups all the time using pre-SWK torso breaks. There are a lot of people (@Cooper) wondering about these fringe scenarios (which are in fact well covered), when what you should be worried about is a simple level 1 torso break SWK/leg/leg BBT, which almost everyone I fight dies to.

However, keep in mind, it also covers all other classes, not just knight. I'd assert that simply by installing this system with absolutely no catches for advanced Vivi/Heartseed setups, you'd prevent 9 deaths for every 1 that you incur. And that 1 you incur is simply due to lack of use of information that is readily available. (and you probably would have died anyways - as escaping these essentially requires a limb tracker and/or a perfectly timed manual override)

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

I don't understand the argument. How is applying to torso any different to, say, applying to head, in that respect?

If the argument is that auto-applying restoration to any body part is a risk, because people might make use of you going off salve balance, then that would be somewhat correct, but it has nothing to do with the way you detect said affliction, but with how you handle it. Yet I've never heard of people saying that one should always disable all restoration curing in ones curing system because of that. Rather, people will tell you that once you get a break and your system starts curing it, shielding may be a good idea, if you're able to.

Saying that detecting torso breaks via counting your own limb damage is too risky is like saying that detecting a blackout from the prompt is risky, because it might lead to your system touching tree, which can be abused to lock you...

I think he was just skimming and saw my name at the top, honestly.* I'm for moving on if you are.

* or, he doesn't yet realize how server curing works. The command that SLC sends only tells server curing that I have a broken torso. It does -NOT- force it to cure it in any way. If I set torso to any lower priority or disable it, it will "know" that I have it, but do nothing, until I tell it to do so. Much like using "vaff mildtrauma" while SVO is paused (or mildtrauma is on ignore list).

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

Auto applying or no, I can see how beneficial it could be to know how far your opponent has gotten with his prepping. How many times haven't I gone shit-face aggressive just as my target finishes prepping me, leading to an easy kill.

My next update is going to have an option to output a nice ugly warning when each limb is prepped. As of now, if you use any of the output options, they're highlighted red when you're in breaking range. (default is set to 25% from break, which almost every class [except knights] is capable of breaking from with their normal attack - you can easily change this to 20% or 15% if you like, for people with very large max health)

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."

I won't break down the strategies, but in short, torso is not a "need to fix at every chance" break. You fix it when you have an opportunity. Torso damage doesn't hinder you and doesn't help them until they go for certain setups. Also torso is not vital to a lot of setups persa. Don't mis understand me, yes you need it for bbt and dsb, but torso isn't taken into account when looking over your salve balance for the setup. So if you fix it every time it then becomes an easy 4 seconds you get to add to other setups. Makes vivi easier, damnation, makes enfeeble bbt axk. That kind of stuff. Really it just opens up a new avenue of tactics for limb classes that we didn't have before. But only really good opponents will take advantage of it.