Thanks, Bad-Man, for the thorough reply. I also appreciate you taking the time to approve me as well as answer my questions. :D

I always knew NG was a place to waste time watching flash movies, but I never knew about the concept behind it. I think its a great idea and I'm excited to be apart of it. Considering it seems the average age of those using this site is in their mid-late teens, I can understand why your job can be really hard.

Hey guys, I now wait more than two weeks on my 2 tiny loops to be approved.
I posted a message in this thread, no reply. I wrote a PM to one of you audio approval guys, no reply.
What is the problem with my audio? Why does it take so long?

At 5/27/09 02:07 AM, Bad-Man-Incorporated wrote:
There are many factors that can determine originality. The big ones are: Not using premade composed loops to construct "your" song,

I'm in two minds about that stance - Most of the time the pre-made loops that come with higher-end music workstations are actually copyright free, meaning there is no real legal reason as to why they couldn't be used on NG, assuming of course that the 'artist' isn't simply uploading each premade loop and claiming it to be his own work.

At 5/27/09 02:07 AM, Bad-Man-Incorporated wrote:
There are many factors that can determine originality. The big ones are: Not using premade composed loops to construct "your" song,

I'm in two minds about that stance - Most of the time the pre-made loops that come with higher-end music workstations are actually copyright free, meaning there is no real legal reason as to why they couldn't be used on NG, assuming of course that the 'artist' isn't simply uploading each premade loop and claiming it to be his own work.

That being said, I suppose that filters out a lot of crap.

Yeah man. However, regardless of the license, it's not welcome here. Otherwise the audio portal would fill up with generic "duplo" music mixes...which isn't original at all. I've spoken with the admins on this a few times, and they want to endorse only original compositions, as there is too much talent on newgrounds for the latter.. The rules and such will be clarified an audio upgrade one day. haha.

Yeah man. However, regardless of the license, it's not welcome here. Otherwise the audio portal would fill up with generic "duplo" music mixes...which isn't original at all. I've spoken with the admins on this a few times, and they want to endorse only original compositions, as there is too much talent on newgrounds for the latter.. The rules and such will be clarified an audio upgrade one day. haha.

one day.

so does that mean that one day every single song on newgrounds that isnt an "original" sonbg will be purged?

I was suffering from some anxiety about this same topic, and I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread.

For one thing, I'm glad the audio mods have taken time to explain the situation. I had no idea what scale of their work was. In fact I kind of pity them. I don't think I would be able to handle the work they have cut out for them. Not only sorting out countless of new submissions but dealing with the usual shit that accompanies a high traffic site.

I just uploaded a few tracks with out really understanding the time line, so I was worried at first. Glad to know its just the mechanics of the AP.

On the other hand, maybe I shouldn't have started by uploading tracks that I had already once posted on the internet, on my acidplanet.com profile, which I have maintained since early 2004. At least I can provide proof of my identity.

At 5/27/09 07:18 PM, Bad-Man-Incorporated wrote:
Yeah man. However, regardless of the license, it's not welcome here. Otherwise the audio portal would fill up with generic "duplo" music mixes...which isn't original at all.

I agree with the sentiments, though I am strongly opposed to unwritten rules being enforced on a userbase that rarely reads the written ones.

I agree with the sentiments, though I am strongly opposed to unwritten rules being enforced on a userbase that rarely reads the written ones.

Well, the rules mention originality quite a number of times. I'm sure they could be worded differently. Especially for people who just are driven to find loopholes in the rules to justify their work. If I let what is written get clouded, for my moderation... then why have rules for no one to read, to begin with? haha.

The only thing that isn't defined is the extent of originality. I base it on this definition:

'Originality is the aspect of created or invented works by as being new or novel, and thus can be distinguished from reproductions, clones, forgeries, or derivative works.

The term "originality" is often applied as a compliment to the creativity of artists, writers, and thinkers'

I've been using that as a definition. It's worked pretty well for me so far. I'm sure other mods go by this same definition or variant of it...

Anyways, these are also reasons that the approval process can take a while. (Staying on target of the thread).

I can only offer the fact that the audio moderators I speak with and mod with are as consistent as they can be with this.

As for the suggested 98% of audio on newgrounds to be purged..... That may fall truer for certain genres....but I'm sure is far from the 98% claimed.. And if it is 98 %, at least I'm doing my part to not let that number climb. :D

Here's another question on the originality part. Are pre-made sounds, like the "drum kits" which contain things like keys for a cymbal, cowbell, hihat, etc. considered original or non-original?

Also, I used garageband to make my submission, which i've since made a much longer version of, with another section in it that the first didn't (A-B-A) , but I have no keyboard. I made the song by adding a single note, and copying it over and over again in the track editor, changing the note to where it should be, it's note velocity, length, and so on. I then copied measures which are repeated, so they are looped. Is there a chance a moderator might think these are pre-made loops; how could they tell?

At 5/30/09 07:19 PM, Anti-Epic wrote:
Here's another question on the originality part. Are pre-made sounds, like the "drum kits" which contain things like keys for a cymbal, cowbell, hihat, etc. considered original or non-original?

By my personal experience, i don't think a drum kit would be consider a scam or "copy" ... if you made the drum loop, and you own the program, i belive is ok.

Also, I used garageband to make my submission, which i've since made a much longer version of, with another section in it that the first didn't (A-B-A) , but I have no keyboard. I made the song by adding a single note, and copying it over and over again in the track editor, changing the note to where it should be, it's note velocity, length, and so on. I then copied measures which are repeated, so they are looped. Is there a chance a moderator might think these are pre-made loops; how could they tell?

I never used it, but if you simple alter a pre-made song or a pre-made loop, my personal view is that isn't an original work. But working with a piano roll in any program, you actually ARE writing the song. Don't mind if you are copying a note (and changing everything) or creating a new one. It just can't sound like the pre-made, you need to create, not copy.

If my first song that I have submitted has not been approved, and I try to post another, will it say that I am banned? Thats what happened with me, is it because I really am banned? or just because they haven't approved my first one?

I feel this thread needs a bump. It helped me out when having no idea the timeframe it would take.

At 3/27/09 03:07 PM, Rucklo wrote:

At 3/27/09 02:44 PM, Ditocoaf wrote:
Wait... so does your first submission ever show up in the portal, after it's approved? Or is it pretty much fated to never get a single listen?

usually new artsts submissions won't get showcased in the "latest submissions" list, since it goes by order submitted there. and since it normally takes a few days to get validated, your spot at that list is long gone. all submissions after validations will show up however.

This is troubling. I kind of put my best song in first, and it may not even end up on the list for the public to see. Aside from that, I think the audio mods are doing a great job.

Alright I submitted some songs for audio approval and its been 2 days for 1 and a day for the other. I don't really care when they get approved or not, I'm cool with the mods taking their time on things. Anyway after reading this entire thread, I have some questions. If I use the library of sounds (that comes with the program) and then put them together to make my song, is those submissions not approved? Also am I currently banned now for not being to original with my songs? Well thanks for any answers to questions.

At 6/23/09 03:25 PM, SerenoFlanjor wrote:
Alright I submitted some songs for audio approval and its been 2 days for 1 and a day for the other. I don't really care when they get approved or not, I'm cool with the mods taking their time on things. Anyway after reading this entire thread, I have some questions. If I use the library of sounds (that comes with the program) and then put them together to make my song, is those submissions not approved? Also am I currently banned now for not being to original with my songs? Well thanks for any answers to questions.

I'm going on 4 days (for my first song)
I'm not gonna take back what I said about the audio mods doing a great job.
They've gotta be understaffed or something... But there is a clear problem with the audio portal. Why should artists upload their music here if they can instantly upload it to youtube or soundclick instead of waiting days or weeks? Or go to forums and get fast feedback? I like newgrounds because I feel that my style of music would shine best on this site. I hope for the best for the audio portal here.

Yeah and one of the worse things is you could be banned and not even know it. They should definitely staff more audio moderators and send e-mail verifications as well as offer sometime of way to check how long it would take, as well as tracking the status of your submissions.

I've been working on music like crazy lately and every couple of days I submit something new. Alas, I am not approved yet... but WHEN I AM... the earth will rock back and forth like a.... hmmm... like a...lifer at an insane asylum?

Anyways, just REALLY looking forward to being approved because I see this site as a valuable tool for collaboration, and I truly love a little positive criticism. How else are we supposed to get better.

I'm going on my third day, my stuff is all my own, no remixes and no covers... I gotta hope that I get accepted soon because Im not going to have the internet (be able to submit) for too long. Three days isn't very long, Im just antsy and pumped to see how my stuff does!!!

who decides if the beats submitted are stolen or not?
my brother made an account the other day and submitted four tunes,hes been makin beats for about 10 years now on propper software so nearly everything he makes sounds like its ripped of something,
it sounds to me like your saying if the songs submitted sound "too professionaly made" then they will be rejected......is that right?

I think in light of this, I might consider throwing a list of software and plugins I used to make the submitted song, ... just temporarily, so the audio mods can look through and see that I'm 100% legit.

Cause lets face it.
by the logic above, I might be in for a long wait for approval. =/

I do wish there was a different system of doing things, but all of the morons who DO upload UNORIGINAL material are the real ones at fault here.

If it wasn't for their illegal video game remixes, P2P file-sharing retardation, and their complete lack of understanding when it comes to anything copywritten, us legit musicians would be having it easy, drinking tequillas out on the beach along WITH the audio mods!