Many sovereigns - including the father-son team in the Arkansas shooting - hold seminars of their own in which they charge for lessons on redemption and tax avoidance. "You pay them in cash for them to tell you money has no value," Finch said.

If you're going to claim yourself as a sovereign citizen, you should probably back your words up with a death-triggered motorcycle-mounted hydrogen bomb and brutal glass-knife skills. Otherwise, STFU and GBTW.

"When all else fails deploy the self-propelled Cockpunch 5000 -- when fully fueled it's capable of delivering 180 cockpunches per minute for up to two hours at impacts customizable all the way up to 'Earnie Shavers on PCP,' and, in a major upgrade over the Cockpunch 4000, the 5000 has a built-in webcam that provides streaming video of the cockpunches set to 'Yackety Sax."

atomicmask:lostcat: atomicmask: Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on who to have for dinner.

Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting that vote

FARK is a bunch of earth worms calling the sheep names because he owns a gun and doesn't wanna be eaten, cheering the wolves as they devour the white sheep while booing the wolves when they ate the black one.

lostcat:atomicmask: bighairyguy: I'd like to propose the following procedure for law enforcement:

Officer: Your license and registration please.Sovereign Citizen: I'm a sovereign citizen and you have no authority over me!Officer: TAZZZZZZZE!Sovereign Citizen: EEEEEEAAAAAYYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHH!Officer: Your license and registration please.Repeat as necessary.

Cool, I guess you are ok with the following situation too?

Officer: Papers citizenRegular person: I was simply walking down the sidewalk, I did nothing wrong!Officer: TAZZZZZZZZZZZEPerson: AAAHHHHHHH!officer: papers now citizen!repeat necessary

And you honestly see this as something we have looming on the horizon?

pedrop357:rustypouch: If they don't like the rules of a country, there's little stopping them from moving to a country that's more to their liking.

Ah, the old "if you don't like it, you can just get out" canard. Let's try that with gay marriage or voter ID and see if anyone agrees.

But those people are actively trying to make the country a better place. Sovereign citizens seem to be taking advantage of everything that a prosperous, stable country has to offer, while resenting having to contribute. If these people want to be left alone, let's go all out. If I had the power, I'd refund every cent of taxes they had ever paid, and exempt them from all future taxes, under the condition that they wouldn't have access to anything that government provides.

I can't believe that all of you are taking the side of Big Borther in this. We are all free white men (women and minorites do not count). Just look at this blatant abuse of power that all of you are championing.

cig-mkr:So, a person can't purchase a few hundred acres, construct shelter, cut wood for fire, hunt and fish, live off the land, and barter for goods without being a terrorist ? As long as they don't use publicly funded resources I say leave him alone.

Many, many, many moons ago I worked for a small mortgage servicer and these guys were a frequent thorn in our sides. They'd mail on fake checks with explanatory pamphlets that would say since paper was good enough for the govy, should be good enough for us. They'd file fake release of liens for their mortgage, and then contest the case through ridiculous, nonsensical (but amusing) filings that read like a new Nicholas Cage movie.

So they estimate there are 100,000 to 300,000 of these extremists who are happy to drive on roads and enjoy other infrastructure and services paid for by the rest of us (who understand that a social contract and taxes are important when you are a social creature living in a society)?

Officer: Your license and registration please.Sovereign Citizen: I'm a sovereign citizen and you have no authority over me!Officer: TAZZZZZZZE!Sovereign Citizen: EEEEEEAAAAAYYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHH!Officer: Your license and registration please.Repeat as necessary.

SuperSeriousMan:Krymson Tyde: I don't mind people being 'sovereign citizens' but the deal is you don't get to use any government services, public utilities, roads, etc.

I think we should present everyone of these wack-a-loons with a bill for using federal roads and infrastructure, which was paid for and obviously designed solely for the use of U.S. citizens.

I'm thinking about $10,000 per month would be an amicable fee for clean air, clean water, non-contaminated food, access to roads and bridges, etc etc and so forth.

But you're not a control freak, right?

I always love this counter response that basically says that the government owns all of us because we used or once used some service that was provided or regulated by the government.

Non contaminated food exists on numerous farms and slaughterhouses without a single government official doing anything. It's surprisingly easy for families that eat what they raise/grow to just follow basic sanitary practices even without the watchful eye of the government.

They paid for most of that stuff whether they wanted too or not. If they put fuel in their vehicles and purchased tires, they've paid for access to the roads and bridges for example.