I understand the fact that competition is everything but double crossing is just wrong. When you own an open source operating system and OEMs are courteous enough to lend you pre-production models of their beloved products and the open source operating system owner turns around and reverse engineers there OEM partners products so you can build the ultimate product is just wrong.....Well reading over what I just stated, I don't think so anymore. But I have a question. Wouldn't this only be with windows slate devices? I just can't see how they can bee so ruthless about a PC when OEMs generally make great PCs or even cellphones because all the windows phone 7 devices seldom got reviews lower than a 7. Can some one explain it because this is stomping me.

Didn't Microsoft do something similar with Apple and the Mac when Windows originally launched? I'm not sure why everyone is surprised. Microsoft - if you make a quality tablet I will buy it, I don't care where the ideas came from.

Doesn't matter how many people dislike my stance. I've only stuck with Windows because there have been no other widely compatible/affordable options.

Google has the money and sway to make Android into a desktop/laptop experience, complete with peripherals, simply by partnering with OEMS like Samsung, Motorola, ASUS, and HTC. Hell, Samsung and Motorola already make good laptops, and Samsung dabbles in printers. It can be done.

This "crap of an OS" performs better over a longer time period than any Windows computer I've ever owned.

My first laptop, which cost me 2000 dollars, by the way, had to be sent back to the manufacturer three times. My second laptop overheated all the time (and had Vista, which doubly sucked) and died in less than two years. My third laptop has been slowing down consistently, and just died on me last Saturday. Again, this took less than two years. Now, granted, all it needed was a new hard drive, but still.

My complaints about Microsoft and its products are numerous. I could write an entire post about them. I have few complaints about Android, my main one being the length of time manufacturers and carriers take to put out updates. Otherwise, I have a grand old time with the OS.

You can't compare a mobile OS , too a full PC OS... and yea I agree, in time computer do become less functional,, I really want too see this W8 PC tablet make it.. so I can replace my desktop compac PC...oh and I hate using my girls HP mini.. ugh. I generally don't like laptops... js my opinion

I have a windows laptop for two years and it is still like new - never had a problem.Yes it's getting really hot sometimes but its normal since it has quad core processor and powerful graphics, so i guess sometimes if you have problems with your device it's up to the user not the device itself.I also have a 9 year old windows pc - never had a problem too.And i consider me as a power user - i'm automation engineer so im using my pc for simulations, design and programming.
So when android start to support full version applications like AutoCAD SolidWorks, Visual Studio , Matlab and PLC programming software and perform better over a longer time period than windows device we can talk again.

Again, there is a laundry list of issues I have with Microsoft that extends way past the hardware. In the meantime, I only ever had to replace one Android phone, and that was after I had dropped it about fifteen times and knocked a wire loose.

I know. Google should stop f**king around with Chrome OS and move with Android. We already have an (albeit somewhat small) Android laptop, the Transformer series. Get some more good developers and companies in the project, and boom. You've got a whole line of Android-supported hardware and software (in the Google Play Store and available for download elsewhere). Android rises to the top with Windows.

I think what Microsoft did was a brilliant idea.... beside I read a article, @the verge.com.. that after what OEM partner HP did with the windows 500 slate, which was a DOA product.. that Microsoft wanted this tablet/PC done correct.. and I don't be live they "copied" any idea from those OEM partners.. they just feeling left out..
Good job Microsoft.. I await the surface pro :)

But both HP and Microsoft were at fault there. Regardless, we aren't taking sides as to whether Microsoft abusing the trust of their OEMs is a good idea or not - the market will ultimately decide that. We're just looking at the near-term ramifications. Heck, if Microsoft can make ARM and x86 tablets that sell by the truckload, they may not even want other OEMs in their ecosystem (Apple sure doesn't!), but that doesn't mean it won't create opportunities elsewhere.

Although this is my first post i am visiting phone arena for a while.I usually use it just to read the articles and i don't like posting comments because of the "fanboism".
I think that the writers here are android oriented which in my opinion is very unprofessional.I am reading this site for almost two years and things here were really different in the past.Articles were more professional and used to show the people what happens in the tech world, not to give personal opinion based on rumors.Now this site looks more like "android blog".
I am not "ecosystem committed".I just want to express my disappointment.

spskrk - we appreciate everyone's feedback, but I have to be honest, we get accused of being pro-Apple (I believe Apple Arena is one of the names I've seen), pro-Android, and even pro-Windows. Of course we've been accused of being against those entities as well.

When we started reporting on the bad news building up for Nokia and RIM we were accused of having it in for them, rather than just reporting the honest facts that the two companies are struggling and have uphill challenges.

I'm sure each individual writer has his or her own subtle bias, but they each work to report the news accurately. Unfortunately, news has become more "interactive" now, and people seem to inevitably believe that whether news is true or rumor depends on how it effects their chosen platform.

In this particular case, it's not really a rumor at all - it's straight from multiple OEMs to one of their consultants. Check the source if you want to see how much of it comes straight from Windows OEMs. The rest of it is pretty non-controversial based on those statements.

The most popular nickname is iPhoneArena, actually ;)
It was quite and extended one, expecially after the review of the iphone 4. But it has been quite a while that people don't get so heated, and in general the site has become a lot less Apple biased.
The bias of every writer comes quite clear when you read in the site for some time (seriously, is not that subtle!), but I agree all of you are putting a good effort to be fair.
The issue right now may be that there are some writers that are Apple fans and some writers that are fandroids, but none of them is a Windows fan! So add some Windows fanwriter to the mix to keep everyone happy, LOL.
And keep the good work!

"Microsoft looked at what the [PC makers] were doing, seeing if it could meet their Windows 8 needs and then took action based on that,"

YOU CAN NOT LOOK AT OTHERS IDEAS, AND STEAL, NO MATTER WHAT IS AT STAKE. MS knew they where wrong, if PC maker knew that MS was putting out a device, I am sure they would not allow MS to look at their products!....this is wrong on every level.

While most definitely not the right thing to do, I truly believe it was necessary. Maybe it's just me but most of the windows machines being put out now aren't that great (though there are some dang fine ultrabooks coming our way). I think that Microsoft had to do this. If they didn't get a grip on the hardware, if they didn't set the standard for OEM's to follow, Windows 8 tabs would probably not be that great. This makes the OEM's mad for sure, but it also gets them to kick their buts in gear! Imo it's a good thing in the long run, more pressure, more competition, more movement in the market. In all it will eventually make the experience better for consumers.

You guys seriously expected something else? If you think that only MS is doing this... huh. Every company is spying on others and that is normal. MS saw the tablets that will come to the market and probably understood that these tables ware crap and I'm sure we will agree when they launch. MS needed a product that can compete with the iPad, it was either Nokia or their own hardware. I don't understand whats the problem here? Everyone could have made the Surface, but didn't. Now MS are to blame 'cuz they built something cool? Don't think so. Everyone will benefit from such tablet, and most importantly we will.

I guess the main point here is that they had access to ALL the OEMs prototypes, which gives the an unfair advantage as a competitor here.
Either you work with them or you compete with them, but not both.
The next time around OEMs probably won't be willing to show Microsoft their early models and the quality of the end products can suffer because of that. So customers could end up not having any benefit, but suffering instead due to this decission.

I'm sticking to my windows xp. PC and tablet are different platforms to me. I don't need nor want to do word processing, autoCAD, photoshop, watch hi-def movies, or anything complex or requires a big screen and precise input on a tablet. It's for browsing the web and words with friends, news reading, and silly pastimes. It's not the workhorse. Android is still a mobile OS no matter what and until they place it on a laptop and make it fully functional desktop grade stuff, its still gonna be a mobile OS.

Some speculation on this has happend before. Maybe they took 2 looks at their OEM partners to give them one final chance and making anything consumers would buy. They obviously failed the test and thats when Microsoft made the bold move.

Can anyone honestly say that hardware wise Windows machines compare to Apple Macbooks? I dont mean specs I mean overall quality package. If you do please inform me because I would like to buy it. FYI I am pro windows but their hardware is not up to snuff design/quality wise.

I am not shocked that Microsoft decided to make Tablets for 3 reasons #1= the new
Windows 8 RT arms tablets many not have many APPS when they come to the market place unless they can use Windows 7.5 mango apps or windows 8 metro apps..it's a good bet they will not sell well and OEMS might drop making them. #2 Microsoft may have seen what it believed to be Dull Tablet designs Microsoft felt would not sell well and weaken Windows acceptance and good sales. #3 Microsoft is opening up physical stores and want to sell devices with their name on them. Microsoft knows the Business Enterprise People and Average People are buying Tablet computers and it's not a passing FAD. Microsoft decided to make a tablet computer that they feel is best design to use and sell windows 8 to the Enterprise and the Private citizen

15 best RPG games for iPhone and Android

Best iPhone camera apps

All content (phone reviews, news, specs, info), design and layouts are Copyright 2001-2015 phoneArena.com. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part or in any form or medium without written permission is prohibited! Privacy . Terms of use . Cookies . Team