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What! A WWII plane!! Someone needs to dig up a news paper story on this one!

Here it is

Fishermen get a line on a mystery

Tracy Swartz, Star Tribune

July 6, 2004 PLANE0706

Cory Fladeboe was frustrated. An hour had passed since he and a friend had caught a walleye in Green Lake on Saturday. So Fladeboe dunked his underwater camera to find out why the fish weren't biting.

Then he saw it: the propeller of a Cessna-style high-wing, single-engine plane, covered with silt, 35 feet below the surface.

They circled the boat, and Fladeboe bounced the camera against the plane's tail and ran it along the fuselage and over the wing to confirm the discovery. Aware of the legend of Green Lake, the fishermen knew immediately that they had stumbled on the military plane that crashed into the west-central Minnesota lake 45 years ago.

"It looked pretty awesome," said Fladeboe, 25, of Willmar.

Fladeboe returned Sunday with divers who say the plane fits the description of the Army Cessna L-19 Birddog that plunged into the 5,400-acre lake near Spicer on Oct. 15, 1958.

Tail of the missing National Guard plane.Associated PressThe body of the National Guard pilot, Capt. Richard Carey of Willmar, was found in the lake two weeks later.

Kandiyohi County Sheriff's Deputy Mike Roe said he may find out today if the numbers on the plane's tail match FAA and Army records.

"Until the military puts its stamp of approval on it, it's still in limbo," said Roe, adding that the plane eventually may be raised, preserved and placed in a museum.

The plane is in "excellent shape," said Michael Terhune, of St. Cloud, one of six divers who inspected it Sunday.

Looking toward the instrument panelMike TerhuneWest Central TribuneTerhune, 46, said he didn't see holes in the plane or damage to the wings. But the propeller is bent back, and the cockpit's front and back windshields are broken.

Terhune took 50 pictures of the submerged plane and plans to return soon to Green Lake, about 100 miles west of the Twin Cities, with divers who will videotape the site.

One diver who plans to be there is Bill Matthies, owner of the Minnesota School of Diving in Brainerd. He searched for the plane five times in the 1960s to recover radio equipment for the Civil Air Patrol.

In 1962, Matthies went door to door near Green Lake to see if anyone heard or saw where the plane crashed. He dived in the southwest quadrant of the lake, where the pilot's body was found. The plane discovered Saturday is in the lake's northwest corner.

Matthies, 68, abandoned his search in 1963, when a man told him the plane had been hauled from the lake.

"I was stunned when they said they found the plane," Matthies said. "I'd like to dive on it to make that closure."

George Couleur, a Green Lake resident for 46 years, also is looking for closure. Couleur became water-safety officer for the Kandiyohi County Sheriff's Office the year after Carey's plane was lost and looked for the plane for years. He retired in 1988 but helped a dive crew search the lake a few years ago.

Couleur, 78, said the pilot was advised not to fly from Rochester because conditions around Willmar were too foggy, but he flew anyway. When his body was found, there were no bruises, which indicated he had crashed into the water.

But trying to find the plane was like "looking for a needle in a haystack," Couleur said.

Volunteers who monitor the water clarity of Green Lake consistently report they can see about 7 to 12 feet down, according to the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency. Except near the shoreline, the lake is far deeper than that -- 110 feet at its deepest point -- so the lake bottom rarely is visible.

"It's lucky they found it," Couleur said.

Edna Carey, the pilot's widow, wasn't so sure. Her reaction to the plane's discovery was "not so good." She said she thought it would never be found.

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I have used mine twice to find my own chisel in 2 different lakes after the kids have dropped it in! It is the old style with the baseball bat handle. Both times it was buried up to the wood. The first time Idid not have a rope through it and managed to get my gaff into the handle. Second time I had rope so I got the gaff into that. I told them I will have to start carving notches in this thing every time I retreive it from the dark ,icy depths! I have had it over 25 years. Starting to get some sentimental value.

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Can't count how many anchors I have seen. Wish I had a heavy duty magenant to pull them up. Other than that I have seen lots of cans a few lawn chairs a old motor an oar bunch of tires oh and a dart and a cell phone that fell down the hole.

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I stumbled onto this big "rock" or whatever it is. It's about 6 feet tall, maybe 14 feet long? Seems to be a fish magnet. I GPS'd the coordinates on my humminbird side imaging unit, and had visited it several times over last summer and fall. Found it totally by accident. It's in around 16 feet of water. First thought it might be a boat from what the side imaging showed. But after going back with my aqua-vu I'm not sure really what it is.

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I saw an old 14-16 foot boat on Lake Crystal in Burnsville. It looked like it had been there a long time. It was in about 14-16 feet and the water was murky so it was kind of hard to see it clearly and get a make. This was during the summer time and it was alittle windy so it was hard to stay in the area.

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You might be better off trying to do some research on your own on the old shotgun. I think it would be a waste of time taking it to Cabela's since most of the folks who work there now think any gun made before 1970 is an antique.
The gun surely is made in Europe and might have originated in one of the English or Belgian or even German "guild" shops, little outfits that cranked out inexpensive guns that did not even bear maker's names since they were made by a "bunch" of guys. Your best bet would be to trace or photograph the proof marks and go from there. That is, I'm assuming it has proof marks :).

For an exciting adventure in shooting grab an old "trapdoor" Springfield and rattle off a few rounds of 45-70 or 45-90. If you're of skinny build and little weight it'll give you a THUMP you'll remember! Perfect deer cartridge for MN though since that big ol' bullet will go churning through the brush like a D-8 Cat until it hit's it's target.
Have been around the old '94 30-30 since way back when and while it is handy it is not that accurate and lacks the knock-down power of many, many of today's rounds. But if you just have to have one as I always say, it''s your money.
Keep in mind you can buy the .35 Remington in a pump action, which a lot of MN duck hunters find easy to use come deer season.

I have an old Damascus barreled shotgun that was passed on to me by my grandpa. The story I have always heard and been told is that it was brought over from Denmark by my great grandfather in 1915. It has no markings indicating where it was made or anything else that I could use to figure out some history on the gun. It is a pin fire and has a stag carved into the underside of the stock. Anyone have any ideas on where I could find any info on this? I had thought about bringing it to Cabelas and see if they knew anything about it. I'm not concerned about the value. I'd just like to know a little more about it or even get pointed in the right direction.

I wouldn't mind having a lever action 30-30 just because everyone should have one. I'd bet a big percentage of us carried one our first time out deer hunting. My grandpa had a Marlin in either .44 or .357 that I wish I'd have gotten. I've also thought about a 45-70.

This is an intriguing round for sure. Ballistics and long range performance is supposed to be good. Ammo seems priced reasonably. A big plus is that you can get it in an AR-15 and with a 90 grain bullet I wouldn't be afraid to use it on deer sized animals. I've always liked the idea of having multiple uppers for my AR.

The Trestle got 10+ inches of snow today ,,, May have to make plans to go take a peek at the trails this weekend ,,, Hopefully the groomers can get out and pack the trail a little bit to cover the rocks

Ha! I am looking into the app controller outlets but not for plugging in the pickup. I just built a deck on the back of the house and I'm going to pull wire and add some extra outlets out there for lights. They'll be much easier than putting in more switches to control them.