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Management has two priorities: 1) Making sure money is made, hence upgrading and filling up apartments is their goal. "Amenities" are important in selling the place, though few residents use them. 2) If someone needs medical attention, Public Safety will be there, if alerted.

Quality of life issues are not that important, however. Things like the carpet rule or outsider dogs. These "rules" tend to be ignored, on purpose it seems. So you will see a lot that isn't taken care of properly, and complaints will be met with a creative excuse and a smile.

"Peace and quiet" must be a cruel joke, though this property is sold that way. There can be no peace and quiet as ALL apartments must be upgraded, which includes the installation of an AC unit below the window. Aside from the continual construction about the neighborhood, there is a new and noisy subway extension being built along East 14 st and the shut down of the L line. "Choosing" to live in NYC, now the newest mantra, is a fabrication when the talk is of ST and PCV, which was traditionally quiet, with no construction noise.

Though money was always important, it is now more important than ever. Money rules many things, as you will find.

At this point, 30 years into living here and seeing many things, I can state that Management and their reps are BS-ing us. I can't say that loudly enough: We are being BS-ed. I don't see any genuine change, though the "selling" of this place is intense. Few of the "rules" will be enforced, as Management doesn't want to lose customers or potential customers. Where personal integrity is a hallmark of an excellent management style, this integrity is not seen in enforcing some of the rules.

About those "club cars" we see going this way and that way, and outside of Stuy Town or Peter Cooper Village:

Did Dan or TA board members tell anyone where our business partner Brookfield is holding their "We Own Them" victory celebration? Apparently they forgot to invite their PCVST tenant led purchase partners.

Or, maybe Brookfield didn't forget anything. Maybe we didn't get invited to their victory party because we're really not their business partners. We're just thousands of misinformed PCVST tenant-prey kept ignorant in the dark so we can be duped into buying our homes for Brookfield. Maybe Dan or TA board members can sneak us in through a rear service door to the kitchen where we can watch Andy triumphantly collect his well-deserved rewards from RSA-REBNY predators.

"But Tenants and Neighbors executive director Katie Goldstein depicted the deal as devastating to tenants."Our worst fears about Governor Cuomo have been confirmed. He took no action at all to strengthen the rent laws. Cuomo made empty promises and lied repeatedly while helping the Senate Republicans advance a bill that is a massive giveaway to landlords," she said in a statement. "Up to 100,000 rent-regulated apartments will be lost over the next four years because of Cuomo’s Republican deal."

"Cuomo will suffer big political consequences for his betrayal of tenants and Democrats and for solidifying his status as a Republican Governor," she added."

Next time someone in local political office tells you to send post cards and make phone calls to influence a corrupt egomaniacal crook tell them about the great results you got this year! What a waste of energy. We have to fight smarter and we need new leadership at all levels because our current local politicians are smart, they know they were giving us bad advice that would get us bad results and sure enough it did!. When will we learn not to follow these village idiots. This is bullshit.

Coming out with this first horrendous position then to follow it with a lesser horrendous one in a few days or weeks is a charade we are no longer buying.

We see your fake act. We know the game well.

Getting rid of two of the three corrupt three men in a room should have made the process easier and still Cuomo struggled.

What vultures were circling? The ones cleaning up your messes? It was hard to act on rent regulation and 421a, the most corrupted policies that enrich the wealthy and hurt the People because you usually act in a corrupted manner and Preet made it harder to pull off your corruption.

That is what made it difficult. Not change in leadership. Change in power of corruption.

Mr Bharara cut off your corruption buddies and let their cronies know he is watching and that made it difficult for you because you don't want to do right by the People. You want to do right for the wealthy who fill your coffer.

Mr Cuomo you are not fit for the job of governing a People. The wave of wealth you are creating for rebny and wall street leaves a wake of a lot of deadened families and people losing their homes Your moral compass points $

With Governor Cuomo's announcement of a framework the for renewing rent laws that preserves the corrupt elements of previous rent laws and rewards his millionaire and billionaire contributors, tenants are calling on the Assembly to vote no on this bad deal for tenants.

The "deal", if enacted, would extend New York's corrupt rent laws by four years, guaranteeing a further erosion of affordable housing in New York City and the downstate suburbs. It will make a meaningless increase in the deregulation threshold to $2700, while doing nothing to stop landlord harassment and forced evictions of low income tenants. And it makes cosmetic changes to the MCI rules, one of the loopholes landlords use to jack up rents and force tenants out, while making the increase in base rents permanent.

"This bill is a big win for the billionaires that fund Governor Cuomo's campaign, and a big loss for tenants who were counting on the Governor to keep his word by fighting for genuinely stronger rent laws. The Assembly must reject this terrible deal," said Ava Farkas, Executive Director of the Metropolitan Council on Housing.

This is not a final deal, Assembly Members are caucusing now and could still stand with tenants and reject Cuomo's weak offer.

Call your Assemblymember NOW and tell them to stand with tenants by voting no on Cuomo's deal. Find your representative here or call 518-455-4100.

Thank you Gov. Cuomo for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the middle class. NOTHING!!!You have some pair of balls. Hope you sleep well at night while all of us are struggling to pay our rents. So much as taking office to serve the people. OH yeah, the people that YOU want to help instead of the people that need it the most!

No doubt the new ruling will increase our Mci at an alarming rate. The governor and Albay and our elected officials threw us under the bus! How do you like that? Continue to vote for these lying clowns.

Quite interested in knowing all the LP limited partnerships and LLC's who invested in turning Stuyvesant Town into STUYTOWN Campus and how much the people involved in those LLC and LP's donate to Cuomo and Garodnick. Their TA never looked into that either.

Per the videos, I moved here when I was 23. I was young and I partied. Alot. I never once had a neighbor call security on me or have a neighbor have to confront me about my partying ways. I still have most of the same wonderful neighbors. Anyone who was in my home (and this would be late night) was told not to slam doors, take of shoes, etc. Anyone who claims being young is associated with this behavior is wrong, its a matter of just having respect and kindness towards your environment and neighbors. But I also believe this generation living here is just so full of entitlement. They should be full of shame.

Wow. NYU had students doing individual study with professors for school credits installing wall partitions while at the same time they had NYU students inspecting innocent rent stabilized tenants "for wall inspections" (who had no wall partitions) but really the NYU inspections were for upgrading to renew the apartments for wealthier tenants and now the students are bragging about it on their online linkedin resumes.

Stairway in Stuyvesant Oval building as of 6:30AM this morning: 1. Case of empty beer bottles...at least they were Heineken. 2. Two plastic garbage bags filled with...naturally garbage...wet, smelly, disgusting 3. Three lovely formed elliptical dog turds! freshly laid too! So aromatic! 4. Cigarette butts all over the place. 5. One obviously used condom...the stairwell surely must put her in the mood...lol 6. Oh, did I forget to mention the aromatic, pungent odor of the weed.

True to that. The democrats screw themselves since the politicians know we'll never vote in a republican, so they just fuck with us however they want and are reaping millions for themselves. all while the middle class gets fucked .

'Massive numbers of evictions are not a sign of individuals who have failed. Rather, they are symptomatic of laws, institutions and underlying structures bent on maintaining inequality."

The massive evictions in Stuyvesant Town Peter Cooper Village and in the entire of New York City are a direct result of city politicians putting and allowing laws favoring the REBNY. They did not once raise holy hell until it was too late.

The reason for each inspection should have been challenged to reveal the lie they told to illegally inspect the entire apartment complex in the first place. The apartment complex, now a full fledged luxury campus. Instead Dan proposed a law to give tenants a longer heads up for illegal searches, giving landlords and CW permission to continue illegally inspecting as long as they give a few more days to tenants to schedule the illegal searches for ways to harass and charge tenants money. .. er ... I mean inspections for illegal walls.

"They won't give a shit or will give a shit since they know they can fuck us royally but we'll neeeeeeever vote republican. ROFL."

I plan to vote republican in local and state elections going forward. I'd rather deal with an honest POS than a dishonest one. At least the republicans are upfront about their contempt for the poor, middle-class and elderly. The dems feel the same way repubs do, but they LIE their fucking corrupt heads off to us. I didn't vote for Cuomo because I knew he was a repug in disguise, so I voted for the other guy whose name I don't even remember.

I can't agree. I've seen TA members give of their time to pass out literature, call other tenants, etc. I do think that the TA needs to up its game considerably, however, but I can't denigrate regular people who try to help tenants.

senators who screw the homeowner even more but help the developers endlessly

On September 26, 2014, President Obama signed H.R. 2600 – introduced and passed as a result of advocacy efforts by Senator Charles Schumer, U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, and REBNY – into law, which exempts condominium developments from ILSA filing and registration requirements, and in doing so, gives condominium developers and their lenders a greater level of certainty as the economy continues to recover."

REBNY boasts a handful of results from their bribes to government here:

The PCVST Tenant Association Board of Directors should have used the full weight of being the largest Middle Class community in the country to fight for Middle Class Affordable Housing in the biggest way possible.

They wasted the most valuable opportunity to help the Middle Class. They did not use their voice and clout as they should have and that was a deliberate choice by a few bad eggs on the Board which the rest just followed. They misused their position to help Dan help REBNY/Speyer/Brookfield developers.

That is why we are developed, commercialized, full of office buildings, clogged with traffic on the loops from poor planning of placing Oval Concierge where there is not parking for delivery trucks that double park, jam up the loop, and overcrowded with dorms.

10:10 AM. The parents of these entitled douchebags simply didn't love them enough to take the trouble to teach them to have respect for themselves or others. Sadly, there is no app for remedying that. They failed as parents and their offspring fail as human beings. Very sad.

Until There Is Silence No More

The Tenants Association and our councilman Dan Garodnick have mysteriously remained silent about a purported incident that occurred on July 12: the mugging by a group of individuals of someone right by Peter Cooper Village, along 20th Street.

The TA is basically done. Tenants can complain, but any action is negligible. The TA is effectively dead.

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"We'll be introducing a new process to identify registered dogs thus enabling Public Safety Officers to clearly approach offending dog owners. The registration will hang from the leash handle; clearly identifying the dog as registered.

"If the dog is not registered by May 1; a summons will be issued at the point of contact. If we learn the dog owner is not a resident, they will be escorted off the property."

Rick Hayduk, CEO and General Manager of PCVST. Letter to Barry Shapiro, February 2016.

STR here: I have been around since the inception of this dog policy and I have NEVER seen anyone escorted out of ST or PCV with their non-lanyard dog. But I have seen, many times, a dog owner from outside, and his/her dog, casually walking through ST or PCV.

THINKING of Renting in PCVST?

Read Yelp reviews to find out what it's like living here. Please note: All apartments are currently "rent-stabilized" but that doesn't prevent apartments from going up to 4K to 6K a month and even higher. How does this happen? Ask our politicians! Fact: Now less than half of the complex's apartments have the old rents and it's getting worse year by year--or better if you are the Real Estate Board of New York!

The Other Yelp Reviews

Yelp can be tricky and bounce reviews for a variety of reasons, like being a member and posting just one review. Very often, however, these reviews hold important truths about what's being reviewed. READ THESE TOO.

BICYCLES, MOPEDS, SCOOTERS, ETC.

Of course, "private property" but "public access" - whatever that means! And if a part of it is public access, do the rules of the city apply to our roads and sidewalks? Or does anything give because this complex is "private property"? Who comes here in case of a fire in one of our buildings? The Stuy Town Fire Brigade?

Hint: Look both ways if you are in the complex. Look on the ground, too!

61.03 Control of dogs and other animals to prevent nuisance. (a) A person who owns, possesses or controls a dog, cat or other animal shall not permit the animal to commit a nuisance on a sidewalk of any public place, on a floor, wall, stairway, sidewalk, lawn, garden or roof of any public or private premises used in common by the public, or on a fence, wall [or], stairway or entranceway of a building abutting on a public place

Banned & Oversize Dog Breeds in Stuy Town

Looks like there is some difficulty in enforcing the ban on certain dog breeds allowed inside Stuy Town/Peter Cooper Village. Somehow pitbulls and pitbull mixes have been registered in STPCV and are allowed to be freely walked about the grounds! Registered dogs in the complex are max 50 pounds. Total, if there is more than one! More than two, it's illegal. It's going to get worse, and, face it, Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village will never be like it once was.

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Current Value of ST/PCV

Was 5.4 Billion Dollars when Tishman Speyer bought the place.Became 1.7 Billion Dollars when Tishman Speyer left, with their tail between their legs. Of course, tenants now have to make up the loss.

Ex-landlord

Rob Speyer

1947 Stuy Town Plaque Honoring Met Life Chairman F.H. Ecker (Removed in 2002 and never seen again)

"... who with the vision of experience and the energy of youth conceived and brought into being this project, and others like it, that families of moderate means might live in health, comfort and dignity in park-like communities and that a pattern might be set of private enterprise productively devoted to public service."

I am writing on behalf of everyone at Tishman Speyer to express how honored we are to become part of your outstanding community. We are a business with deep roots in New York, a true love of our city and a great respect for the neighborhoods that make it special. We are committed to maintaining the unique character and environment that have made Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town such a wonderful place to live for so long. We look forward to providing you an extraordinary level of service and attentiveness that will be the source of pride and satisfaction for the entire community.

Neighborhood Recommendations

New to Stuy Town/Peter Cooper Village? Here are some basic recommendations.

Best supermarket: Associated on 14th St. between 1st Ave. and Ave A. The cheapest prices, fantastic weekly sales, very affordable lunches; solid, responsive management, but earthy. Some of the young female cashiers have attitude to spare, though. May be too far for Peter Cooper residents.

Best gym: Don't waste your money on the Oval Fitness Gym. Instead go to the earthy but real Asser Levy Recreational Center, right above 23rd St on Asser Levy Place (near the FDR Drive). $75 for a year's membership; seniors are almost free. Contains seasonal indoor and outdoor swimming pools, ping-pong table, two pool tables. Called by some rich people who wouldn't get caught going there "the prison gym," and you know why.

A Stuy Town favorite is Lenz's on 20 St. between the 20 St. Loop. The way New York used to be. Be careful of unwanted "pepper" in your food, however. Lenz's got a B grade rating and was temporarily closed down due to an order from the Health Department. Bruno's on First Avenue is more upscale, with a greater selection of food items (higher-priced, too), but was closed down temporarily by the Health Department. Stuy Town's own cafe was closed, too! And not because of all the dogs that hover and piss outside.

Gracefully has two locations, but we prefer for its size the one on 1st Ave. Prices are high and reflect the new tenants that are currently renting Stuy Town and Peter Cooper apartments. ("Do you have a credit card?") We like Gracefully's lunch specials, which are somewhat affordable.

I priced the CVS on 1st Ave near 14st. The non-aerosol hairspray was 20 cents above CVS' own website price, and one of the highest in NY. (Yes, I have hair.) You can save at least a dollar or more buying at another place. So beware. Look around for a better deal on all your items.

I love warm Quaker Oats in the morning. Gristedes is not the place to get it, nor is Associated, though their price is less. Look around!

Macular Degeneration Support Group

If you are currently diagnosed with Macular Degeneration, the New York Eye & Ear Infirmary is offering a support group for you. Conveniently located next to the Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town apartment complex, our group offers the opportunity to share stories with other members, listen to expert guest speakers, and learn coping strategies to reduce stress. Our group runs on the first Wednesday of every month and we would enjoy seeing you there.
Please contact Baptiste Nicolas, Social Work Assistant at 212-979-4105 for further information and to see if this group is right for you!