On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 16:21 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, David Woodhouse wrote:> > > > It isn't that far off, and we could improve it if we wanted to. In> > _general_ it's quite good already.> > I agree that it's close to hierarchical. But it's literally the exceptions > that get you.> > Let me mention (again) USB_STORAGE and ATA.> > They are not "under" SCSI. Making them do that would be insane.

But in the graphical tool that's _good_. Because those are the optionsyou _wanted_ to see.

You don't want to go digging around under the SCSI menu where all thoseboring hostadapters are, but you _do_ get to see the USB and ATA stuffelsewhere.

But that's only for the graphical tool, which is where I actuallyexpected the handholding to be required. If you want it in 'oldconfig'then I think that's weird, but I don't have a better solution than'select', unfortunately.

> > It would work quite nicely in the graphical tools, although you've> > thrown me a little by wanting it in the hacker's tool 'oldconfig' too.> > You obviously care more about turning stuff _on_ with 'make oldconfig'> > while other people who've spoken up seem to care more, as I do, about> > turning stuff _off_ that way. If I want my hand held, I'm happy enough> > to use the graphical tools.> > I tend to just edit the .config file, and run "make oldconfig". And I know > I'm not the only one, because I've talked to others who do the same.

That's exactly what I do too.

> And yes, then it's almost always correct to "turn things on as needed to > make everything work out right", while turning things off would be > actively wrong.

My experience is exactly the opposite; perhaps because I spend so muchof my time working on the Fedora kernel where almost everything startsoff enabled by default, and I only ever want to turn stuff off.

I think 'make oldconfig_noselect' is the way forward. We can both havewhat we want.