JO 753 wrote:The NSA recording absolutely everything mite bekum a factor iz this case. Wen therez enuf evidens to convins a juj that Trump and hiz peeps hav been working for the Russianz, Meuller will be able to be able to find out exactly wen Putin set hiz sites on the Oval Offis.

Its like having a time machine!

It might not have been Putin directly but those who seeking favor did what they knew "he would like to happen". Seems to be part of that system. At least that's what this guy said (specifically in relation to the election beginning around min 5:30-ish).

JO 753 wrote:Wen therez enuf evidens to convins a juj that Trump and hiz peeps hav been working for the Russianz,.....

It seems to me that Trump's twitters and errors have caused the media cycle to speed up to an incredibly fast level. We have become used to this speed in media and our expectations. However, reviewing evidence and forming a prosecution case still takes the amount of time it always has taken. As this concerns the Whitehouse, the Attorney General's office has to be even more careful.

I am in no hurry and would rather see a good solid case presented. It seems to me that Trump cannot really do much damage over the next year of so, that cannot be reversed anyway. Perhaps the USA's constitutional checks & balances are working.

Read the Logan act again. Can Flynn as a private citizen talk to the Russian ambassador, about sanctions, before Trump is inaugurated? Yes or No?

Only a total moron gives a link to an article in The National Review by Andrew McCarthy which contradicts moron's {!#%@} point.You have neither read nor understood the article have you ?

This quote from the article discusses another article in the Washington Post written by certain David Ignatius where Ignatius claims, just like you, that the Logan act could be invoked against Flynn:

But of course, Ignatius was not interested in that serious crime by his source. He instead concocted an imaginary crime committed by Flynn: a violation of the dubious 1799 Logan Act, which purports to make it illegal for private citizens who are not authorized by the executive branch to conduct freelance foreign policy. It was an absurd allegation. Putting aside that the Logan Act has not been enforced in its two-plus centuries on the books, Flynn was not a mere private citizen. He was a transition official paving the way for a new administration that he would be serving in one of its top national-security positions.

(Bold emphasis are mine)

McCarthy makes one thing clear. The only way to find the truth is to declassify the FISA recording. But the powers that be in the anti-Trump intelligence complex don't want to do it. The question is why? What are they hiding?

I am not about to defend Trump or Flynn or those other personalities involved in this. {!#%@} them all. They are all liars, ambitious smoke and mirrors purveyors who thanks to the deceptive main street media have become celebrities.

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When I feel like exercising, I just lie down until the feeling goes away. Paul Terry

Certainly, one could say that the American electoral system is detrimental the American electoral system. It would be an exercise of the Tu Quoque fallacy to use that to condone foreign interference.

Yes and maybe it would be an exercise in hypocrisy not to point out that various (all) American regimes have interfered with other countries electoral processes often by violent means; assassinations and wars so that they can hardly cry and wallow at the specter of their own non-existing democracy being undermined by people who learned the trick from them.

Any repairs to the American electoral system is up to the Americans.

Nobody is interested in repairing the system certainly not the corporate party that owns everything.

When I feel like exercising, I just lie down until the feeling goes away. Paul Terry

Then it continues and takes up entire page 7. It's the same Trump-Russia connection BS, but piled much higher.

Don't know what's in USA Today or other papers, and I hope some of you can tell me, but The Times-Union is a Republican paper and it doesn't seem like the Trump-Pence regime can survive these escalating attacks.

If one can be taught to believe absurdities, one can commit atrocities. --Voltaire

Then it continues and takes up entire page 7. It's the same Trump-Russia connection BS, but piled much higher.

Don't know what's in USA Today or other papers, and I hope some of you can tell me, but The Times-Union is a Republican paper and it doesn't seem like the Trump-Pence regime can survive these escalating attacks.

Wait... are you saying that the Russians have attacked the Times-Union too?

In the article I cited two post above there is an alleged quote about the Russian hacking--"It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend," said a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia. "I feel like we sort of choked."

That is almost the same as your "Rachel Maddow tells us of the CIA having some person or thing next to Putin providing info."

Seriously, what the hell kind of evidence is that? "Unnamed sources" can provide any kind of BS anyone wants to make up!

People like Snowden and Assange and former CIA officials using their real names say that there is no friggin' evidence.

If one can be taught to believe absurdities, one can commit atrocities. --Voltaire

I think they may be refering to the guy who got a bag pulled over hiz hed and dragged out uv a hi level FSB meeting. (forgot hiz name) But, it coud be another person or electronic survailens uv sum kind.

Rachel's intros have been really good..........always and lately. Tonights was right on point: 3 Million no bid contractor to one of Putin's best buds to provide FREAKING SECURITY SERVICES at our Moscow Embassy.

One or more bad folks..............should go to jail.

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A short but confused unfocused critique of zero value. an exercise in snark. Thats a good starting point, but without a clear theme or point to make......a waste of time.

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IMHO the portion below is the most interesting part of the ACTUAL NUNES MEMO, which, in effect seems to indicate misrepresentation by omission:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.b) The initial FISA application notes Steel was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by the DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier.) The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of — and paid by — the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Pages’ July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News — and several other outlets — in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steel and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations — an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September — before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October — but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.b) Steele’s numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling — maintaining confidentiality — and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files — but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.a) During this same time period, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicable concealed from the FISC.

4) According to the head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was — according to his June 2017 testimony — “salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel’s Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an “insurance” policy against President Trump’s election.

I like to think I an a neutral observer, calling balls and strikes no matter who is swinging. but I also enjoy/value being shown when I am wrong.

What in the link do you think makes a telling observation? .....and for extra credit, that is not contradicted in the same link?

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:What in the link do you think makes a telling observation? .....and for extra credit, that is not contradicted in the same link?

Despite your assurance of impartial neutrality, I'm pretty sure that what I find telling and compelling is not gonna be what either Rachel or you find telling or compelling so I'm not going to get bogged down either explaining or defending my thoughts or discussing them further.

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Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, tells CBS News the memo he co-authored with Rep. Devin Nunes, R-California, and GOP staffers will not have "any impact on the Russia probe."

Gowdy spoke with Margaret Brennan, CBS News White House and Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent, in an interview to be broadcast Sunday on Face the Nation. The interview is his first since announcing he would not be seeking re-election in 2018.

Brennan asked Gowdy to respond to President Trump's claim Saturday that the memo "totally vindicates" him in the Russia investigation.

"I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of [the memo]," Gowdy said, "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain."

ftl: "From the Nunes memo, there was, at the highest level of the FBI, a cabal determined to derail Trump and elect Clinton. Heading the cabal was Comey, who made the call to exonerate Hillary of criminal charges for imperiling national security secrets, even before his own FBI investigation was concluded." /// I agree the fix was in and that Hillary was clearly and obviously and still is: GUILTY. Comey knew the fix was in (Slick Willie turned the lock at that Airport Meeting with whats her name) so THAT fight was over. So.....he did the next best thing to SINK HILLARY: he gave an unprecedented public statement regarding the lack of charges that skinned Hillary alive a week before the election, while holding back damaging evidence/concerns with Trump.

Its hard to stomach all the rah, rah kneejerk praise our "leaders" get until its revealed they are all self dealing power seeking hoomans of the moment. Comey should have been fired the day after he leaked the Clinton info. So...why did Comey not bend to Trump's will? Because Trump is a gross clown. None of the finesse Bill Clinton has that Hillary can only dream about.

Its a three ring circus. Are you not amused?

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This bit, Tom?"To persuade a FISA court to issue a warrant to spy on Trump aide Carter Page, the FBI relied on a dossier produced by a Trump-hating British spy, who was using old Kremlin contacts, while being paid to dig up dirt on Donald Trump by Hillary Clinton’s campaign".

There's nothing there but someone screaming "No - you". There's absolutely nothing to suggest that the information in the dossier was false. It may have been false, but the screaming tantrums erupting around it tend to make me believe it hit the nail on the head.It'll all come out in the wash.EDIT: ... and the latest revelation simply makes the whole thing a fiasco.

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