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Maybe some states may do that but mine doesn't. Suppose your neighbors don't like you? Suppose your neighbors don't like cops? Suppose your neighbors don't like guns? Not a very dependable bias-free system.

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What laws say this and why aren't these people being kept from buy firearms and how exactly are these laws enforced? Is the person supposed to tell the person he's buying the gun from "oh and by the way I'm crazy!," if they are crazy they probably don't realize it! Furthermore, I don't think a criminal background check is going to uncover the persons mental well being.

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Maybe some states may do that but mine doesn't. Suppose your neighbors don't like you? Suppose your neighbors don't like cops? Suppose your neighbors don't like guns? Not a very dependable bias-free system.

-This is only one part of the screening, reread my previous posts I already said what they do.

Based on the testimony of his family, neighbors, friends and professional acquaintances, the people who you said should be questioned about the applicant, he was OK.

Once again, put the person through the same checks that a prospective police recruit goes through. Also if someone buys 20+guns and 12 bump stocks in less than a years time, bells should go off somewhere and someone should start looking into this person and what they are up to. Your post in the other gun thread where you stated, "if you own a gun, you should expect to get shot or shoot someone" would hopefully send off flares if this was caught on a background check. Perhaps you have a better way to prevent these crazy people from buying guns and will share it with us.[/QUOTE]

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@seb There is fact for you - US Supreme Court issued a ruling that ban on guns are unconstitutional under 2nd Amendment in 2008 and 2010, so it can be applies to rifles, bump stocks, silencers, etc.

States tried to pass the gun control laws but end up challenging in the court, so there are some ruling are on way to US Supreme Court.

If you don't like it so you can blame nothing but yourself because you voted on wrong people, so that why we ended up with mostly pro-gun politicians in the Congress.

You have to deal with it and focus on your life, so your debate in here isn't helping at all.

Also, if you don't like US Supreme Court ruling so you can ask your state government to disregard the ruling and pass more gun control laws, along with massive crackdown, border patrol, detain federal officers and imprison gunowners, so I don't know if federal government will react and respond, so legal system is complicated.

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What laws say this and why aren't these people being kept from buy firearms and how exactly are these laws enforced? Is the person supposed to tell the person he's buying the gun from "oh and by the way I'm crazy!" I don't think a criminal background check is going to uncover the persons mental well being.

what laws say this? huh? do you mean to tell me you have absolutely no idea what our comprehensive gun control laws are?

1. it's required by law for gun store to run a background check before the sale. they check NICS system (https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics). NICS includes all states records, federal records, military records, and mental health records. If you want to purchase a gun, you are given an ATF Form 4473. If you lied on the form, the FBI will knock on your door and arrest you for falsifying on a federal form which is punishable up to 10 years in jail. it's a FELONY to lie even one question on the form. they do not care if you made a mistake by checking wrong box. you will be arrested and charged REGARDLESS.

2. it's ILLEGAL to buy a gun for someone who would or have failed a background check. this is called STRAW PURCHASE. it's ILLEGAL. lot of people have been caught doing this. that's up to 10 years in jail and $250,000 fines.

3. in the form, it asks if you have ever been committed to a mental institution and/or if you have ever been found mentally defective. the government knows this for themselves and they will want to see if you're lying or not on the form.

The most common reason for a gun purchase denial is a criminal conviction. More than 175,000 fugitives, 130,000 domestic offenders, and 123,000 unlawful drug users have been denied in the 18 years NICS has been online. For all the focus on mental health, the bar for denying someone on psychiatric grounds is very high, leading to relatively few rejections: 27,992 applicants have been denied because they were declared mentally unfit by a judge.

Where do those records come from?
To ascertain whether an applicant should be disqualified from owning a gun, the FBI draws from three databases:The NICS Index, which includes records contributed by federal and state agencies identifying individuals prohibited from buying a gun, for reasons ranging from criminal history to severe mental illness; the Interstate Identification Index, a database of criminal histories; and the National Crime Information Center, or NCIC, an “electronic clearinghouse” of criminal records.

can we do even more? absolutely! we can go as far as giving up your civil rights, privacy rights (HIPAA/FERPA), and many more. why not??? if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about!

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what laws say this? huh? do you mean to tell me you have absolutely no idea what our comprehensive gun control laws are?
- We don't really have any on the federal level, it's left to states to come up with their own and then the gun lobby(NRA) challenges them in the courts and will take them all the way to the SC if they have to.

1. it's required by law for gun store to run a background check before the sale. they check NICS system (https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics). NICS includes all states records, federal records, military records, and mental health records. If you want to purchase a gun, you are given an ATF Form 4473. If you lied on the form, the FBI will knock on your door and arrest you for falsifying on a federal form which is punishable up to 10 years in jail. it's a FELONY to lie even one question on the form. they do not care if you made a mistake by checking wrong box. you will be arrested and charged REGARDLESS.

2. it's ILLEGAL to buy a gun for someone who would or have failed a background check. this is called STRAW PURCHASE. it's ILLEGAL. lot of people have been caught doing this. that's up to 10 years in jail and $250,000 fines.

3. in the form, it asks if you have ever been committed to a mental institution and/or if you have ever been found mentally defective. the government knows this for themselves and they will want to see if you're lying or not on the form.

can we do even more? absolutely! we can go as far as giving up your civil rights, privacy rights (HIPAA/FERPA), and many more. why not??? if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about!

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@seb There is fact for you - US Supreme Court issued a ruling that ban on guns are unconstitutional under 2nd Amendment in 2008 and 2010, so it can be applies to rifles, bump stocks, silencers, etc.

- not entirely, read the judgment.

States tried to pass the gun control laws but end up challenging in the court, so there are some ruling are on way to US Supreme Court.

- As I said in Jiro's earlier post, each state pretty much has their own rules. There is no comprehensive U.S, laws regarding the sale of firearms.

If you don't like it so you can blame nothing but yourself because you voted on wrong people, so that why we ended up with mostly pro-gun politicians in the Congress.

-I'm in CA, we have some of the most stringent gun laws in the U.S.. Last time I looked I can't vote in other states! Oh I forgot voting laws are probably more stringent than gun laws on the federal level.

You have to deal with it and focus on your life, so your debate in here isn't helping at all.
-No it's bringing the ridiculousness of gun advocates thoughts on gun ownership out into the light. They all seem to be okay with the continued, rising death tolls in these more and more common mass shootings and still don't want any restrictions placed on how, when or what they can buy.

Also, if you don't like US Supreme Court ruling so you can ask your state government to disregard the ruling and pass more gun control laws, along with massive crackdown, border patrol, detain federal officers and imprison gunowners, so I don't know if federal government will react and respond, so legal system is complicated.

what I've stated is federal laws. that means ALL states have to follow it. capisce?

I don't think you understand the meaning of "relaxed gun laws". you still need to pass the background check.... the NICS. Stephen Paddock would still need to fill out ATF Form 4473. please do tell me what makes Nevada's gun laws more "relaxed" than others. I want to see what you know or think.

"Jill Snyder, the special agent in charge at the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told 'CBS This Morning' in an interview Oct. 4 that Paddock had been stockpiling firearms since 1982. He bought nearly 50 guns legally, she said, but none of those purchases set off any red flags for the ATF.

"'From October 2016 to Sept. 28, 2017, he purchased 33 firearms, majority of them rifles'," Snyder said. 'We wouldn't get notified of the purchases of the rifles. We would only get notified if there was a multiple sale, which would be two or more handguns in an individual purchase.'"

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Have you not been paying attention to the several posts from myself and others stating that we need to keep on topic? I don't "cop out." If you recall, a few pages back I started a new thread rather than hijacking this topic. You can do the same thing. If you can't be bothered, that's your choice.