Lots of text messages released by Richie Incognitio's lawyer. Incognito looks a whole lot better in the situation, Martin a whole lot worse. The text messages also seem to detail a lot of off season drug use.

Bettis isn't a HOF back. He just isn't hall of fame worthy. He will get in eventually though I'm sure as most do. Lots of questionable people in the HOF, its more like the Hall of Very good right now. It took Andre Reed 9 votes to get in, Bettis will probably be similar. He's at 3 or 4 already. When there is a really weak class he will get in.

skullman80 wrote:Bettis isn't a HOF back. He just isn't hall of fame worthy. He will get in eventually though I'm sure as most do. Lots of questionable people in the HOF, its more like the Hall of Very good right now. It took Andre Reed 9 votes to get in, Bettis will probably be similar. He's at 3 or 4 already. When there is a really weak class he will get in.

When Bettis retired he was 5th overall in career rushing yards and in the top-10 in rushing TDs. He broke 1,000 yards in 8 of his first 9 seasons before reinventing himself as a short-yardage plowhorse at the end of his career. If being one of the top 5 rushers in the history of the game isn't HOF-worthy, what is?

skullman80 wrote:Bettis isn't a HOF back. He just isn't hall of fame worthy. He will get in eventually though I'm sure as most do. Lots of questionable people in the HOF, its more like the Hall of Very good right now. It took Andre Reed 9 votes to get in, Bettis will probably be similar. He's at 3 or 4 already. When there is a really weak class he will get in.

When Bettis retired he was 5th overall in career rushing yards and in the top-10 in rushing TDs. He broke 1,000 yards in 8 of his first 9 seasons before reinventing himself as a short-yardage plowhorse at the end of his career. If being one of the top 5 rushers in the history of the game isn't HOF-worthy, what is?

I don't think he is one of the top 5 rushers in the history of the game. I know what the numbers say, I just don't think he is HOF material. You ask someone to name 5 or 10 of the top running backs in NFL History and I don't think Bettis is near that list. You call it reinventing hiimself at the end of his career, I call that not being good enough to be an every down back and just number piling. Bettis was a fantastic running back don't get me wrong, but I just think the HOF should be for really special players. There are quite a few players in there now that I don't think should be in. It should be an elite group to call yourself one of the best ever. That's why I call it the hall of very good, and why I think Bettis will get in eventually... he was very very good.