The growing number of conservatives who on principle and/or out of disgust refuse to support Donald Trump under any circumstances whatsoever need not feel guilty about helping to elect Shrillary. As awful as a Shrillary presidency would be, a Trump presidency would be even worse:

Hillary, as you may have noticed, does not have the charisma of Barack Obama. Not only will she be divisive and ethically compromised, but Hillary will also galvanize the Right. Her presidency — even more now that she’s dropped the pretense of centrism — would reinforce the traditional ideological distinctions we’ve debated for years. Republicans would almost certainly unite against her agenda, which will be little more than codifying Obama’s legacy — a collection of policies that half the country still hates.

She won’t be able to pass anything substantive. The most likely outcome is another four to eight years of trench warfare in D.C., with a number of winnable, state-level issues for conservatives.

This is not a great outcome, but the conservative resistance in Congress and at the state level has managed to slow some aspects of the leftist agenda under Obama, and would slow it even more under President Shrillary, who would probably expend more effort trying not to get impeached than she would dismantling what is left of our liberty.

But in the unlikely event that Trump wins the general election,

[T]he temptation in Congress to follow Trumpism — a philosophy based on the vagaries of one man — will be strong. Trump’s inclination is never to free Americans from the state (“we’re gonna take care of everybody!”) but rather to do a better job administering the state through great deals and assertive leadership. Or, everything the Founders didn’t want the presidency to be.

So while gridlock will still hold up most issues conservatives do care about, chances are high, considering his long history of supporting big government, that Trump would try and cobble together a populist coalition for polices they hate. This will end up marginalizing ideological conservatism from within the party.

As for the alarming degeneration of America toward dictatorship that we have seen as Obama repeatedly expands executive power illegally but without effective resistance,

There is little question Trump would abuse power … it’s the point of his candidacy. The thing that gets his admirers excited.

Trump isn’t running for president. He is running for dictator. He hasn’t been subtle about it.

When Shrillary abuses power, she will be called to account, at least by Republicans. When Trump does it, Democrats will go along because he will be advancing their statist agenda, and Republicans will go along because Trump is currently nominally a Republican.

The GOP would be removed from the battlefield as a resistance party.

The worst to fear if an irrational mob manages to throw the nomination to Trump is not that conservatives will refuse to vote for him; of course they will refuse. The worry is that they will sit out the election altogether, giving Shrillary large majorities in Congress to work with. A more constructive approach for conservatives would be to vote Republican wherever principles permit, and Libertarian at the top of the ticket.

Your choice: bad or worse.

On tips from Torcer and Varla.

Added Note:

This post assumes that Trump would govern as a liberal Democrat. In support of that assumption, readers are referred to most everything he ever said prior to last fall, and a lot of what he has said since. The enemy across the battlefield is less dangerous than the enemy within your ranks.

The difference is that if Trump wins, the congress will actually use their constitutional checks and balances against him. So will the courts. Fat chance of weak republicans in Congress standing up against Hillery. They caved into Obama on every issue.

Checks and balances are a good thing. The country fails when all three branches and both parties are working together.

And don’t forget to vote. Even if you can’t stand Trump, there are a lot of other races that matter. Always vote out the incumbent whenever you get the chance. And primaries are your best chance.

The difference is that if Trump wins, the congress will actually use their constitutional checks and balances against him. So will the courts. Fat chance of weak republicans in Congress standing up against Hillery. They caved into Obama on every issue.

Checks and balances are a good thing. The country fails when all three branches and both parties are working together.

And don’t forget to vote. Even if you can’t stand Trump, there are a lot of other races that matter. Always vote out the incumbent whenever you get the chance. And primaries are your best chance.

No offense, but, if there’s a “growing number of conservatives who on principle and/or out of disgust refuse to support Donald Trump under any circumstances whatsoever”, how come the One True Ted can’t do better than third place at around 21%?

No offense, but, if there’s a “growing number of conservatives who on principle and/or out of disgust refuse to support Donald Trump under any circumstances whatsoever”, how come the One True Ted can’t do better than third place at around 21%?

if a person cant ell who will become a mass shooter, how the hell does this person know whats in trumps mind and what he will or will not do?

he has 30,000 employees… more than all candidates combined over many elections… he didnt get those by overpaying, giving taxes to the state for a larger government, paying off the dems to build buildings and so on…

so its kind of moronic to say what was said
and the more people say moronic things that way
the MORE people want to vote for him…

if a person cant ell who will become a mass shooter, how the hell does this person know whats in trumps mind and what he will or will not do?

he has 30,000 employees… more than all candidates combined over many elections… he didnt get those by overpaying, giving taxes to the state for a larger government, paying off the dems to build buildings and so on…

so its kind of moronic to say what was said
and the more people say moronic things that way
the MORE people want to vote for him…

“give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you lose a great business opportunity.”

if you like welfare and high taxes to pay for people to have babies, while sitting around watching tv, with state provided cell phones and wifii, and who refuse to work even at 15 an hour or they will lose benefits, then keep on keeping on…

“give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you lose a great business opportunity.”

if you like welfare and high taxes to pay for people to have babies, while sitting around watching tv, with state provided cell phones and wifii, and who refuse to work even at 15 an hour or they will lose benefits, then keep on keeping on…

sadly… yes… hillary is a communist (from wesley days) and trump is a capitalist.. he is blamed for having to deal with the left in the US as if he has a choice in nyc when building something… the council controls all buiolding, all zoning, all labor rules…

they dictate rents, they dictate how tall the building is so you have to buy air rights from others, they dictate taxes, and that you have to set aside a large percentage of your property for the poor, they dictate wages, they dictate using unions

but trump is to blame…

and the owner of this site thinks that if he was in rome, he could deal with the swiss instead of romans…

sadly… yes… hillary is a communist (from wesley days) and trump is a capitalist.. he is blamed for having to deal with the left in the US as if he has a choice in nyc when building something… the council controls all buiolding, all zoning, all labor rules…

they dictate rents, they dictate how tall the building is so you have to buy air rights from others, they dictate taxes, and that you have to set aside a large percentage of your property for the poor, they dictate wages, they dictate using unions

but trump is to blame…

and the owner of this site thinks that if he was in rome, he could deal with the swiss instead of romans…

What do you expect Trump to do? Focus group and PC himself to death and agonize over every word? People like Trump because he acts like a REAL HUMAN BEING instead of a pandering slick weasel. I know it is hard for you RINOs to accept that we are done with your crap, but we are! We’re all off the reservation and we are voting Trump! After the way they treated Ron Paul I knew I would never vote for another establishment Republican ever again and I meant it. So do many others. So instead of accepting reality, you post snotty little cartoons. Newsflash, if the media hates the guy, and they’re bringing out all they can against him, maybe he really is a great guy? If they hate him, he’s gotta be awesome. Even if he isn’t, he’s still better than anyone else out there.

What do you expect Trump to do? Focus group and PC himself to death and agonize over every word? People like Trump because he acts like a REAL HUMAN BEING instead of a pandering slick weasel. I know it is hard for you RINOs to accept that we are done with your crap, but we are! We’re all off the reservation and we are voting Trump! After the way they treated Ron Paul I knew I would never vote for another establishment Republican ever again and I meant it. So do many others. So instead of accepting reality, you post snotty little cartoons. Newsflash, if the media hates the guy, and they’re bringing out all they can against him, maybe he really is a great guy? If they hate him, he’s gotta be awesome. Even if he isn’t, he’s still better than anyone else out there.

The Psychology of the Breathtakingly Stupid MistakeNew research suggests there are three distinct types of action that bring palm to face
In a study just published in the journal Intelligence, using search terms such as “stupid thing to do”, Balazs Aczel and his colleagues compiled a collection of stories describing stupid mistakes from sources such as The Huffington Post and TMZ. One story described a thief who broke into a house and stole a TV and later returned for the remote; another described burglars who intended to steal cell phones but instead stole GPS tracking devices that were turned on and gave police their exact location. The researchers then had a sample of university students rate each story on the responsibility of the people involved, the influence of the situation, the seriousness of the consequences, and other factors.

Analyses of the subjects’ ratings revealed three varieties of stupid mistakes. The first is when a person’s confidence outstrips their skill, as when a Pittsburgh man robbed two banks in broad daylight without wearing a disguise, believing that lemon juice he had rubbed on his face would make him invisible to security cameras. Or, in what is widely regarded as one of the top mascot failures in history, when Wild Wing of the Anaheim Ducks caught himself on fire attempting to leap over a burning wall (cheerleaders pulled him from the flames and he returned to action later in the game, unhurt). “This story of Duck a l’Orange County is no canard. A duck could get fired for this, or at least demoted to the Rotisserie League,” the New York Times reported.

The confidence-skill disconnect has been dubbed the Dunning-Kruger effect, after a study by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger. Dunning and Kruger had Cornell undergraduates perform tests of humor, logic, and grammar, and then rate how well they think they performed compared to other subjects in the study. The worst performing subjects, whose scores put them in the 12th percentile, estimated that they had performed in the 62nd percentile. Summarizing the findings, Dunning noted, “Poor performers—and we are all poor performers at some things—fail to see the flaws in their thinking or the answers they lack.” When we think we are at our best is sometimes when we are at our objective worst.

As any number of political scandals illustrate, the second type of stupid mistake involves impulsive acts—when our behavior seems out of control. In the scandal that became known as Weinergate, former U.S. representative Anthony Weiner sent lewd texts and pictures of himself to women he met on Facebook. (After resigning, Weiner continued his cyber-dalliances under the nom de plume Carlos Danger, and then fell prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect when he overestimated his support in the 2013 New York City mayoral primary; he received 5% of the vote.) More recently, in Michigan, state representative Todd Courser, a Tea Party conservative, admitted to sending an anonymous email to Republican Party operatives and members of the media falsely claiming that he had been caught having sex with a male prostitute, with the aim of making expected revelations that he had an affair with fellow representative Cindy Gamrat seem like part of a smear campaign. In an audio recording of a conversation secretly made by a staff member, Courser described his self-smear strategy as a “controlled burn of me” designed to “inoculate the herd” against the as-yet-unmade allegations.

The final variety of stupid mistake involves lapses of attention—Homer Simpsonesque D’oh moments. As arguably the best example from American sports history, in the 1929 Rose Bowl, University of California star Roy Riegels recovered a fumble and returned it 65 yards the wrong way. Riegel’s blunder set up a safety for Georgia Tech, which turned out to be the deciding factor in the game. Minnesota Viking Jim Marshall, a two-time pro-bowler and team captain, duplicated the feat in a 1964 game against the San Francisco 49ers, prompting Vikings coach Norm Van Brocklin to remark after the game, “Jim, you did the most interesting thing in this game today.” Aczel and colleagues’ analyses revealed that subjects viewed this category of stupid mistake as the least stupid.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-the-breathtakingly-stupid-mistake/#

The Psychology of the Breathtakingly Stupid MistakeNew research suggests there are three distinct types of action that bring palm to face
In a study just published in the journal Intelligence, using search terms such as “stupid thing to do”, Balazs Aczel and his colleagues compiled a collection of stories describing stupid mistakes from sources such as The Huffington Post and TMZ. One story described a thief who broke into a house and stole a TV and later returned for the remote; another described burglars who intended to steal cell phones but instead stole GPS tracking devices that were turned on and gave police their exact location. The researchers then had a sample of university students rate each story on the responsibility of the people involved, the influence of the situation, the seriousness of the consequences, and other factors.

Analyses of the subjects’ ratings revealed three varieties of stupid mistakes. The first is when a person’s confidence outstrips their skill, as when a Pittsburgh man robbed two banks in broad daylight without wearing a disguise, believing that lemon juice he had rubbed on his face would make him invisible to security cameras. Or, in what is widely regarded as one of the top mascot failures in history, when Wild Wing of the Anaheim Ducks caught himself on fire attempting to leap over a burning wall (cheerleaders pulled him from the flames and he returned to action later in the game, unhurt). “This story of Duck a l’Orange County is no canard. A duck could get fired for this, or at least demoted to the Rotisserie League,” the New York Times reported.

The confidence-skill disconnect has been dubbed the Dunning-Kruger effect, after a study by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger. Dunning and Kruger had Cornell undergraduates perform tests of humor, logic, and grammar, and then rate how well they think they performed compared to other subjects in the study. The worst performing subjects, whose scores put them in the 12th percentile, estimated that they had performed in the 62nd percentile. Summarizing the findings, Dunning noted, “Poor performers—and we are all poor performers at some things—fail to see the flaws in their thinking or the answers they lack.” When we think we are at our best is sometimes when we are at our objective worst.

As any number of political scandals illustrate, the second type of stupid mistake involves impulsive acts—when our behavior seems out of control. In the scandal that became known as Weinergate, former U.S. representative Anthony Weiner sent lewd texts and pictures of himself to women he met on Facebook. (After resigning, Weiner continued his cyber-dalliances under the nom de plume Carlos Danger, and then fell prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect when he overestimated his support in the 2013 New York City mayoral primary; he received 5% of the vote.) More recently, in Michigan, state representative Todd Courser, a Tea Party conservative, admitted to sending an anonymous email to Republican Party operatives and members of the media falsely claiming that he had been caught having sex with a male prostitute, with the aim of making expected revelations that he had an affair with fellow representative Cindy Gamrat seem like part of a smear campaign. In an audio recording of a conversation secretly made by a staff member, Courser described his self-smear strategy as a “controlled burn of me” designed to “inoculate the herd” against the as-yet-unmade allegations.

The final variety of stupid mistake involves lapses of attention—Homer Simpsonesque D’oh moments. As arguably the best example from American sports history, in the 1929 Rose Bowl, University of California star Roy Riegels recovered a fumble and returned it 65 yards the wrong way. Riegel’s blunder set up a safety for Georgia Tech, which turned out to be the deciding factor in the game. Minnesota Viking Jim Marshall, a two-time pro-bowler and team captain, duplicated the feat in a 1964 game against the San Francisco 49ers, prompting Vikings coach Norm Van Brocklin to remark after the game, “Jim, you did the most interesting thing in this game today.” Aczel and colleagues’ analyses revealed that subjects viewed this category of stupid mistake as the least stupid.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-the-breathtakingly-stupid-mistake/#

Nope; Trump is not a capitalist. A person who pays for political influence, even if that is how the game is played, is no capitalist. A guy who would like to use the power of the government to deprive a property owner of his property so that his project can move forward is no capitalist.

Nope; Trump is not a capitalist. A person who pays for political influence, even if that is how the game is played, is no capitalist. A guy who would like to use the power of the government to deprive a property owner of his property so that his project can move forward is no capitalist.

Wow. That’s how you refute a comment you don’t like? Look up their Discus account to see what they have said about unrelated topics so you can criticize those comments? I guess that means you really can’t refute it. What a douchebag thing to do.

Wow. That’s how you refute a comment you don’t like? Look up their Discus account to see what they have said about unrelated topics so you can criticize those comments? I guess that means you really can’t refute it. What a douchebag thing to do.

I agree. If Republicans were ever going to “galvanize” they would have done so already. A Hillary presidency would be worse than a Trump presidency. I’ll hold my nose and vote Trump in the general election. The bouffant buffoon better deliver, too. A border wall paid for by Mexico or its a failed presidency and then STFU, Trump.

I agree. If Republicans were ever going to “galvanize” they would have done so already. A Hillary presidency would be worse than a Trump presidency. I’ll hold my nose and vote Trump in the general election. The bouffant buffoon better deliver, too. A border wall paid for by Mexico or its a failed presidency and then STFU, Trump.

This post is not only wrong, it’s unhinged. A sad state of affairs for what used to be a solid conservative blog. Trump makes sound arguments but you have to listen to one, actually listen, to reach a decision.

This post is not only wrong, it’s unhinged. A sad state of affairs for what used to be a solid conservative blog. Trump makes sound arguments but you have to listen to one, actually listen, to reach a decision.

Even electing Ted Cruz will not solve the problem if you don’t run the RINOs out of Congress at the same time. Getting rid of Ryan and McConnell are just as important as electing a principled conservative to the White House. Electing Trump and leaving the RINOs in charge of Congress will mean 4 years of the same shit we have now.

That said, I can’t see Trump being WORSE than Killary whose running mate will likely be Lucifer himself.

Even electing Ted Cruz will not solve the problem if you don’t run the RINOs out of Congress at the same time. Getting rid of Ryan and McConnell are just as important as electing a principled conservative to the White House. Electing Trump and leaving the RINOs in charge of Congress will mean 4 years of the same shit we have now.

That said, I can’t see Trump being WORSE than Killary whose running mate will likely be Lucifer himself.

Whoa, what a weirdo you are. If you are so interested in my past comments, feel free to check out AmRen, Daily Sheeple and Breitbart, I comment there a lot. I don’t have social media, when I do anything online i use the maximum privacy settings, always. If you think that makes me a troll, oh well. Don’t care.

Whoa, what a weirdo you are. If you are so interested in my past comments, feel free to check out AmRen, Daily Sheeple and Breitbart, I comment there a lot. I don’t have social media, when I do anything online i use the maximum privacy settings, always. If you think that makes me a troll, oh well. Don’t care.

I have been listening to Trump and all he does is drop conservative buzzwords. He’s going to get Mexico to pay for the wall. How? Is he going to tax remittances or will he withhold their foreign aid? He never elaborates.

I have been listening to Trump and all he does is drop conservative buzzwords. He’s going to get Mexico to pay for the wall. How? Is he going to tax remittances or will he withhold their foreign aid? He never elaborates.

What do you expect Trump to do? Focus group and PC himself to death and agonize over every word?

No, I expect him to say “We’re going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it by _________________” and actually have him fill in the blank. I want him to say how he is going to do all the things he says he’ll do.

What do you expect Trump to do? Focus group and PC himself to death and agonize over every word?

No, I expect him to say “We’re going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it by _________________” and actually have him fill in the blank. I want him to say how he is going to do all the things he says he’ll do.

But only listen to what he has said in the last few months, though, right? Because listening to what he has said for the previous forty years isn’t fair. He has truly converted from a New York liberal to an authentic Reagan conservative. Just don’t ask any details. And ignore his flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop-flip on abortion/Planned Parenthood. And his 9/11 Truther-ism. And his “Bush lied, people died” nonsense.

Oh, forget it. Like he said himself, he could kill someone in downtown Manhattan in broad daylight, and still lose none of his loyal followers.

But only listen to what he has said in the last few months, though, right? Because listening to what he has said for the previous forty years isn’t fair. He has truly converted from a New York liberal to an authentic Reagan conservative. Just don’t ask any details. And ignore his flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop-flip on abortion/Planned Parenthood. And his 9/11 Truther-ism. And his “Bush lied, people died” nonsense.

Oh, forget it. Like he said himself, he could kill someone in downtown Manhattan in broad daylight, and still lose none of his loyal followers.

Really? It’s an amazing amount of posting. That averages out to about twenty-six – twenty-seven posts a day for over half a year. That’s quite prodigious. That’s like posting for most of the day… on average. Of course most days you wouldn’t. So actually it works out to more than that on days you’re actually at the computer.

Really? It’s an amazing amount of posting. That averages out to about twenty-six – twenty-seven posts a day for over half a year. That’s quite prodigious. That’s like posting for most of the day… on average. Of course most days you wouldn’t. So actually it works out to more than that on days you’re actually at the computer.

If you were one had a brilliant conservative plan to restore America and make it great again, who within the Republican Party would you confide in? And why would you do that when you know that the Republican Party is going to use it against you? That would be stupidity

If you were one had a brilliant conservative plan to restore America and make it great again, who within the Republican Party would you confide in? And why would you do that when you know that the Republican Party is going to use it against you? That would be stupidity

Conservativism has failed on demographics – which is the only issue that ever really mattered. Now, you may argue that any republican who has supported mass third-world immigration is not a “true conservative”, but now we are just employing the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Conservativism has failed on demographics – which is the only issue that ever really mattered. Now, you may argue that any republican who has supported mass third-world immigration is not a “true conservative”, but now we are just employing the no true Scotsman fallacy.

So this makes it official: the AntiTrumps concede the moral high ground that they have been so puffed up with in criticizing Trump.

When the allure of a habitually-lying criminal* now under investigation by the FBI, who left our servicemen to die, fomented a revolution that launched ISIS, is bought and paid for by foreign interests hostile to the U.S. and has left a trail of corruption longer than could be remembered by IBM’s SAGE computer, you guys have lost not just the moral high ground, but your minds as well.

So this makes it official: the AntiTrumps concede the moral high ground that they have been so puffed up with in criticizing Trump.

When the allure of a habitually-lying criminal* now under investigation by the FBI, who left our servicemen to die, fomented a revolution that launched ISIS, is bought and paid for by foreign interests hostile to the U.S. and has left a trail of corruption longer than could be remembered by IBM’s SAGE computer, you guys have lost not just the moral high ground, but your minds as well.

So let’s look at your wonderful scenario….6 years later, 2 years into Hillary’s second term:

By now she’s completely deranged, chronically drunk, on oxygen and drooling in a wheel chair while the country is being run by the Marxist Muslims led by CAIR. The country is 40% mexican, 10% muslim and except for Bill Clinton, white males are not allowed in most public restrooms.

Having been displaced from your home by the Fair Housing Act and your 401K confiscated for the public debt (now $45T), you are sit in a miserable little roach-infested tenement apartment, surrounded by Mariachi and Rap music being practiced by your “room-mates”. You suspect that they murdered your family but it’s also kind of a relief that you can’t prove it.

And you meekly squeek: “Well, I did the right thing. I supported Cruz.”

“When he lost to Trump, I just knew the country would turn around if Hillary got in. So I voted for her instead of Trump. And that’s bc not only am I a moral and principled, pure conservative, but I am also very, very wise. Oh Yes. I did the right thing. And I would do it again”

So let’s look at your wonderful scenario….6 years later, 2 years into Hillary’s second term:

By now she’s completely deranged, chronically drunk, on oxygen and drooling in a wheel chair while the country is being run by the Marxist Muslims led by CAIR. The country is 40% mexican, 10% muslim and except for Bill Clinton, white males are not allowed in most public restrooms.

Having been displaced from your home by the Fair Housing Act and your 401K confiscated for the public debt (now $45T), you are sit in a miserable little roach-infested tenement apartment, surrounded by Mariachi and Rap music being practiced by your “room-mates”. You suspect that they murdered your family but it’s also kind of a relief that you can’t prove it.

And you meekly squeek: “Well, I did the right thing. I supported Cruz.”

“When he lost to Trump, I just knew the country would turn around if Hillary got in. So I voted for her instead of Trump. And that’s bc not only am I a moral and principled, pure conservative, but I am also very, very wise. Oh Yes. I did the right thing. And I would do it again”

You must not type very fast. It’s not really that hard, or that much. Not every comment I make is paragraphs long. And no, I am not. I have posted for longer, I just changed my account because I had some weirdo harassing me. Hence, the privacy.

Why is it so shocking to believe that some people really are this passionate about Trump? I was a huge Ron Paul fan too, I commented a lot about him, yet nobody ever accused me of being with his campaign. That’s just a weird accusation to make.

You must not type very fast. It’s not really that hard, or that much. Not every comment I make is paragraphs long. And no, I am not. I have posted for longer, I just changed my account because I had some weirdo harassing me. Hence, the privacy.

Why is it so shocking to believe that some people really are this passionate about Trump? I was a huge Ron Paul fan too, I commented a lot about him, yet nobody ever accused me of being with his campaign. That’s just a weird accusation to make.

At 10? Why would anyone think it?
And what would be wrong with being with the Trump campaign if that’s what you feel so powerful about? It doesn’t seen weird to me that someone with such passion that they post nearly 30 posts a day would want to be.

Personally Sunshine, I’m not crazy about any of them. Don’t demand that I defend any one of them.

What would be wrong with being with the Trump campaign if that’s what you feel so powerful about? It doesn’t seen weird to me that someone with such passion that they post nearly 30 posts a day would want to be.

Personally Sunshine, I’m not crazy about any of them. Don’t demand that I defend any one of them.

No, I reject those false choices. Cruz is not unelectable. And I was not commenting on the content of the article so much as Sherman1864’s entreaty to just listen to Trump’s arguments. Which Trump? Only the one who’s recently been running for the GOP nomination. Not the real Trump, who championed liberal causes for the previous 40 years or so.

The real lunacy is that Republicans are falling for the same line of BS from Trump as Democrats fell for from Obama. “Big change! It will be tremendous! I’ll fill in the details later. Trust me.” Pffft!

No, I reject those false choices. Cruz is not unelectable. And I was not commenting on the content of the article so much as Sherman1864’s entreaty to just listen to Trump’s arguments. Which Trump? Only the one who’s recently been running for the GOP nomination. Not the real Trump, who championed liberal causes for the previous 40 years or so.

The real lunacy is that Republicans are falling for the same line of BS from Trump as Democrats fell for from Obama. “Big change! It will be tremendous! I’ll fill in the details later. Trust me.” Pffft!

I knew an article like this was coming sooner or later. Moonbattery is a perfect name for this website now. Promoting Hillary over Trump? Are you f’ing serious? You know what, I’m done. Preferring Cruz to Trump is fine, no problem with that, but when Dave has his head so far up Cruz’s *** that he has the gall to literally promote Hillary being President over…well…anyone, then I’m officially done with this site. Have fun voting for the Butcher of Bengahzi.

I knew an article like this was coming sooner or later. Moonbattery is a perfect name for this website now. Promoting Hillary over Trump? Are you f’ing serious? You know what, I’m done. Preferring Cruz to Trump is fine, no problem with that, but when Dave has his head so far up Cruz’s *** that he has the gall to literally promote Hillary being President over…well…anyone, then I’m officially done with this site. Have fun voting for the Butcher of Bengahzi.

You’re equating a billionaire with an affirmative action muslim-brained idiot who never held a job?

Okay. whatever…. But I’ll respond anyway since you didn’t tweet.

See, this is why perspective is so important in life.
.hmmm…: build a wall, deport illegals, get rid of the anchor baby scam, and put a pause on muslim invasion — Or what? Reject the possibility bc Trump has stepped in some liberal excrement?

Okay so you think Trump’s a liar. Here’s the other part of your delimma Emma: You don’t believe what Trump says today, so why do you believe what he said the previous 40 years ago?

Further: you have Trump written off as a liar and then Hillary – a congenital liar – is now being touted by the right as a better choice than Trump? The mind boggles.

Suppose Cruz doesn’t have a chance at the nom: How do you resolve the horns of this delimma using your conservative purity test?

You’re equating a billionaire with an affirmative action muslim-brained idiot who never held a job?

Okay. whatever…. But I’ll respond anyway since you didn’t tweet.

See, this is why perspective is so important in life.
.hmmm…: build a wall, deport illegals, get rid of the anchor baby scam, and put a pause on muslim invasion — Or what? Reject the possibility bc Trump has stepped in some liberal excrement?

Okay so you think Trump’s a liar. Here’s the other part of your delimma Emma: You don’t believe what Trump says today, so why do you believe what he said the previous 40 years ago?

Further: you have Trump written off as a liar and then Hillary – a congenital liar – is now being touted by the right as a better choice than Trump? The mind boggles.

Suppose Cruz doesn’t have a chance at the nom: How do you resolve the horns of this delimma using your conservative purity test?

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Bubba
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You’ve been here awhile and you should be fucking ashamed. I don’t necessarily agree with Dave but to call him an asshat and tell him he sucks is to be a progressive thinker. You agreed with him every time he agreed with you, but now that his view is different you want to leave MB..

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You say you are a conservative (and I have applauded and fully supported every comment you’ve made on the Second Amendment and hanging on to our AR-15’s), but what you say and what you do defines whether you are a conservative or a liberal. Your action in the past defined you as a strong conservative but your speech toward Dave defines you as the worst of the worst kind of progtard progressive jackoff.

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Commenters here at MB are yelling, arguing, pointing fingers, and trying to convince the “other” side they are correct and their opponent is wrong. Wake up Bubba Boy – it’s called the American process. Our American future may be at stake in this election, and while the conversations are sometimes very emotional and vitriolic, these arguments are absolutely necessary – and FUNDAMENTAL – not only to our right to individual thought and freedom of expression, they are exemplified in our legal system which has adversarial expression at it’s core.

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It’s not IF you have an opinion, it’s HOW you express your opinion. EVERYONE gets an opinion…! Where on the internet do you see this kind of vociferous opinionated head-butting taking place? Answer: NOWHERE!
This site, whether you like it or not, or whether you like Dave and his opinions or not, is giving you and everyone else a FORUM TO DISAGREE (He didn’t censor your comment did he?).

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Hardcore progtards (and their blog masters) don’t like and will never tolerate individual thought – especially when they don’t like what they hear. The formula never changes – like you, they tell their opposition they suck and are done with them, then when they get in power the door to the gulag opens. So good riddance – by your speech and actions we all know now just how tolerant you are to free speech and open argument, and what you would do to anyone who disagreed with you if you were in charge.

Bubba
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You’ve been here awhile and you should be fucking ashamed. I don’t necessarily agree with Dave but to call him an asshat and tell him he sucks is to be a progressive thinker. You agreed with him every time he agreed with you, but now that his view is different you want to leave MB..

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You say you are a conservative (and I have applauded and fully supported every comment you’ve made on the Second Amendment and hanging on to our AR-15’s), but what you say and what you do defines whether you are a conservative or a liberal. Your action in the past defined you as a strong conservative but your speech toward Dave defines you as the worst of the worst kind of progtard progressive jackoff.

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Commenters here at MB are yelling, arguing, pointing fingers, and trying to convince the “other” side they are correct and their opponent is wrong. Wake up Bubba Boy – it’s called the American process. Our American future may be at stake in this election, and while the conversations are sometimes very emotional and vitriolic, these arguments are absolutely necessary – and FUNDAMENTAL – not only to our right to individual thought and freedom of expression, they are exemplified in our legal system which has adversarial expression at it’s core.

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It’s not so much HOW you opine, it’s IF you even get to express an opinion…..EVERYONE gets an opinion…! Progtards will not even let you have one. Where on the internet do you see this kind of vociferous opinionated head-butting taking place? Answer: NOWHERE! This site, whether you like it or not, or whether you like Dave and his opinions or not, is giving you and everyone else a FORUM TO DISAGREE (He didn’t censor your comment did he?).

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Hardcore progtards (and their blog masters) don’t like and will never tolerate individual thought – especially when they don’t like what they hear. The formula never changes – like you, they tell their opposition they suck and are done with them, then when they get in power the door to the gulag opens. So good riddance – by your speech and actions we all know now just how tolerant you are to free speech and open argument, and what you would do to anyone who disagreed with you if you were in charge.

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My daughter tells me I’m a genius. I remind her, if that’s the case and the axiom is true – “we learn from our mistakes” – just think how badly I had to screw up in my life to get to that point.
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Nice find….I’ve been there/done that TOO many times.

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My daughter tells me I’m a genius. I remind her, if that’s the case and the axiom is true – “we learn from our mistakes” – just think how badly I had to screw up in my life to get to that point.
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Nice find….I’ve been there/done that TOO many times.

Tolerate individual thought? You mean like when professed conservatives support Trump, they’re an irrational, unthinking mob of idiots? Like that article Dave referenced on this site? No they’re not individual thinkers. No they’re just stupid.

Tolerate individual thought? You mean like when professed conservatives support Trump, they’re an irrational, unthinking mob of idiots? Like that article Dave referenced on this site? No they’re not individual thinkers. No they’re just stupid.

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Your second sentence is so nebulous it can be construed as my opinion or your opinion, and further, I have been on this site for nearly ten years and Dave has referenced a gazillion articles – how in the F am I supposed to know which one you’re talking about? I can ONLY ASSUME you’re talking about Trump supporters as being stupid.
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You’re obviously an emotionally driven – as opposed to a reasonably focused person – because you completely missed the point of what I said and meant. YOU PICKED UP ON WHAT YOU WERE INCLINED TO HEAR – NOT ON WHAT I SAID…! You and people on BOTH sides of this argument ae so fucking emotional – which blocks your ability to reason – I’m totally sick of it. Go get your G.E.D., buy a book on “How to Retain Your Focus,” or re-read what I wrote and TRY to find my point……anything but attributing your lack of understanding to me..

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Your second sentence is so nebulous it can be construed as my opinion or your opinion, and further, I have been on this site for nearly ten years and Dave has referenced a gazillion articles – how in the F am I supposed to know which one you’re talking about? I can ONLY ASSUME you’re talking about Trump supporters as being stupid.
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You’re obviously an emotionally driven – as opposed to a reasonably focused person – because you completely missed the point of what I said and meant. YOU PICKED UP ON WHAT YOU WERE INCLINED TO HEAR – NOT ON WHAT I SAID…! You and people on BOTH sides of this argument ae so fucking emotional – which blocks your ability to reason – I’m totally sick of it. Go get your G.E.D., buy a book on “How to Retain Your Focus,” or re-read what I wrote and TRY to find my point……anything but attributing your lack of understanding to me..

Stick around. Everyone who is at least somewhat reasonable has important things to say and hear. Though your above analysis is somewhat flawed.

Of the three running as Republicans, that is one Democrat one maybe Republican and one sort of Republican, sort of RINO, Cruz would seem to some to be the best of bad choices. Supporting Cruz is not the equivalent of having ones head up his backside.

Stick around. Everyone who is at least somewhat reasonable has important things to say and hear. Though your above analysis is somewhat flawed.

Of the three running as Republicans, that is one Democrat one maybe Republican and one sort of Republican, sort of RINO, Cruz would seem to some to be the best of bad choices. Supporting Cruz is not the equivalent of having ones head up his backside.

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