ARRIVING IN BRITAIN by air the day after two men crashed a gasoline-laden Jeep Cherokee into the main terminal at Glasgow's international airport, and a couple of days after two car bombs were discovered in the heart of London, I was surprised by how calm everybody was.

Apart from the prohibition of passenger drop-off and pickup next to the terminal building at Birmingham Airport, everything was as usual. Men and women in Muslim garb mingled in the crowd with perfect tranquillity, expecting neither violence nor even verbal reproach.

Was this a sign of the admirable tolerance of British society, or of its bovine complacency born of an inability, or unwillingness, to make the effort to defend itself? Was it decency, cowardice or stupidity?

I really don't know anymore, which is an indication of the problem: Only time will tell, and by then it might be too late.

A friend who met me at the airport said something that must by now be true of many ordinary British people. Just as we used to wonder, on meeting Germans of a certain age, what they had done during World War II, so she wondered, when she found herself next to a young Muslim on a bus or a train, what he thought of the various bombings perpetrated by his co-religionists and whether he might be a bomber. She found herself looking for the nearest exit, as we are all enjoined to do by flight attendants before the plane takes off, in case of the need for swift exit.

First, it would take an atrocity of even greater magnitude than 9/11, or maybe even a couple of them for that to happen (which is sort of rough on the folks at Ground Zero)

Second, even if the consensus of the dispicability of the cultists were to be overwhelmingly expanded, there are still enough people who would be unwilling to take action against them because it would upset their whole multicultural, humanist, liberal, anticapitalist applecart.

They can't afford to admit the slightest possibility that they were wrong because their entire world-view depends on us right-wingers being the very incarnation of evil.

Now, especially in academia, media and in much of the world's entrenched bureaucracies, they have the power and the microphone. They would not be willing to give that up even if the Jihadis are blowing their own families into mincemeat.

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posted on 07/08/2007 3:41:31 AM PDT
by Ronin
(Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS. Now an official Fredhead!)

That’s an excellent point, the preferred outcome is never having to deal with such an event. I think a great start would be securing our borders and taking a realistic, non-PC look at immigration. I am not talking knee-jerk reactions here, on the contrary, I mean deliberate, methodical pursuits in which we take a realistic approach and stop pretending we don’t know things, we, in fact, do know. No one is entitled to come to America, Islamic and otherwise. We need to think about who we are allowing to receive American educations and allowing to enter our country. This country was conceived without any assistance from islam and has thrived without them. We do not need them and as long as it remains this moronic death cult, it defies common sense to continue allowing the foxes into the hen house. If their behavior changes, so to can ours. The choice is theirs to make in that regard, but ours where the safety and tranquility of America is concerned.

How can anyone trust a group whose written charter tells them to invade, take over, convert all countries, killing those who resist? How can anyone trust a cult that glorifies the members who kill non-members, makes videos of them and posts their pictures? How can anyone trust a death cult that hardly ever condemns the violence against non-members, and then only in terms that blame the victims?

I know you made a mistake and didn’t mean that. I just wanted to point it out to you.:) Iran can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, period. We need a warrior in the WH and that is the one that is going to get my vote. Sanctions and blockades, as some have suggested will be no more efficacious than the UN’s sternly worded letters. It will take a brilliant, quick and decisive surgical strike complete with all the logistics to make it possible.

>>..there are still enough people who would be unwilling to take action against them because it would upset their whole multicultural, humanist, liberal, anticapitalist applecart.<<

The Circuit City clerk who first viewed the jihadi tape of the Fort Dix Six practicing for an attack on the Army base waited 24 hrs. before he called the cops. He went home and discussed it with his family. He said that he did not want to “appear” racist. That is just as chilling as what those monsters were planning to do, if it had been WWII, he would have dashed out into the streets to raise the alarm. Multiculturalism is a stealth weapon. Islam is a religion of peace, guns are bad, America is always wrong, etc.

The five pillars of Islam..... murder, bestiality, terrorism, cowardice and abuse of women and children.

Know islam, no peace; No islam, know peace!
If the Arabs put down their guns, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their guns, there would be no more Israel.

The Pope was correct in his quote....”Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” -Manuel II Paleologus

“And the plain fact of the matter is that British society could get by perfectly well without the contribution even of moderate Muslims.” Let’s expand this to ANY society. Dalrymple is one of the few Brits who’s got it right.

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posted on 07/08/2007 4:59:33 AM PDT
by libbybelle
(coffee is for closers)

"The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society. On the one hand we believe that every individual should be judged on his merits, while, on the other, we know it would be absurd and dangerous to pretend that the threat of terrorism comes from sections of the population equally."

"History is full of the most terrible examples of what happens when governments and peoples ascribe undesirable traits to minorities, and no decent person would wish to participate in the crimes to which this ascription can give rise; yet it would also be folly to ignore sociological reality."

There is a slight difference between rounding up Japanese and putting them into internment camps as we did in WWII and being less tolerant and more proactive against radical Islamists types. No one is born a muslim. Islam is a corrosive belief system that isn't compatible with free society. Can a society that embraces freedom of belief tolerate beliefs that are a threat to that society? What do we do with the people and things that are a threat to us? In general, if we can't stay away from them, we kill them or lock them up.

How can we even trust converted Muslims? It is just another way to infiltrate. My concern is Barrack Saddam Obama really a Christian or is this just a sleeper cell? Remember when all said he will be the VP and Hitlary ( the anti Christ )for president. Sorry if it sounds extreme, thats just the way I see it.

The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society.

Tolerant of what?

There are many anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life, collectives in any country. Any and all of them are disgusting. The greatest one in the history of civilization, is particularly disgusting.

just as we have ecconomic interest who wanted cheep labor, we also have ecconomic interests who want unrestricted student immigration (because foreign students pay cash and full price at public universities)

I think the immigration reform was an effort to push the parties back to the 1950 of one pole (party) for the rich and successful and the other pole (party) for the poor working class.

Elitist social engineering.

Parties based on principles and ideas do not work for elitist politicians whose only priority is staying in office.

WHAT! didn’t you watch CNN with Christina Ananapour tell us the revisionist version of the Quran? It is all peace and coexistance. Islam’s violent facts are just a silly misunderstanding. It has to be so because CNN said so.

Theodor Dalrymple is horrified by his own prejudice against Muslims, admitting it is a perfectly rationale response. I think this is the first important step for the British. Eventually, they must stop all Muslim immigrants and begin expelling the ones they have. Otherwise, they are going to lose their country or keep it a live in constant fear of terror.

“Just as we used to wonder, on meeting Germans of a certain age, what
they had done during World War II, so she wondered, when she found
herself next to a young Muslim on a bus or a train, what he thought
of the various bombings perpetrated by his co-religionists and whether
he might be a bomber. “

I guess I’m as cynical.
During my grad school years, I’d occassionally wonder what amount of
corruption had gotten some of my fellow graduate students from their
hell-hole home country to a nice classroom in the USA.

This is a pet peeve of mine. Sick people should not have to deal with foreign docs they cannot understand. Also, lots of qualified Americans would love to be docs. So, build the med schools and train enough American docs.

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posted on 07/08/2007 8:13:34 AM PDT
by ClaireSolt
(Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)

The American docs were all small businessmen and Republicans. I think they imported foreigners to work cheaply at the V A and also to support socialized medicine. Medicare p;ays so poorly that many docs refuse to accept it. I have to change docs again, because here docs drop it when they have built their practice. This is really just another immigration issus, imho.

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posted on 07/08/2007 8:33:55 AM PDT
by ClaireSolt
(Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)

you know exactly what is meant by the threat we are facing from mooselums...If anyone from my family dies from a Terriost mooslum...or if an event happens again here in USA...I and millions more...we will all Terroist those mooselums...you can damn be sure of that and PC can be Blown to hell first...you can bet all bets are off...and death to evil will begin with me!

For decades, radicals have been exploiting the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern secular state - typically by starting debate with the question: "Are you British or Muslim?"

But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their following is because most Muslim institutions in Britain just don't want to talk about theology.

They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex truth that Islam can be interpreted as condoning violence against the unbeliever - and instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace and hope that all of this debate will go away.

This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

Every time this happened it felt like a moral and religious victory for us because it served as a recruiting sergeant for extremism.

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posted on 07/08/2007 10:05:39 AM PDT
by dirtboy
(Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)

The bottom line is that not all Muslims may be terrorists, but to date, ALL terrorists have been MUSLIMS! Goodness. All those Irish Republicans called Kelly were Muslims and I never knew. They were Catholic Muslims, of course.

Don't be a smart ass. You know damn well what I'm talking about, we're talking about the post 9-11 world and the global jihad against America and the West which was launched by MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

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