Games with Gold Titles Revealed for December 2018

{#}Free with payment{#} is an oxymoron designed by marketing departments. You can view it how you want, but I prefer to side with the reality presented by a simple fact: You cannot access Games with Gold without having Gold, a paid service.

Isn't that leaning towards the {#}Nothing is free{#} argument? Even if the games were free to everyone, someone would come along with that argument and state that because we had to buy the console, they're not really free. Hell, they could probably just quote you and edit the words {#}Gold{#} to {#}Xbox{#} most the time.

No, because again, Games with Gold is a direct benefit of Gold both offered by the same company. It's the same service, Games WITH Gold.

"Free with payment" is an oxymoron designed by marketing departments. You can view it how you want, but I prefer to side with the reality presented by a simple fact: You cannot access Games with Gold without having Gold, a paid service.

Isn't that leaning towards the "Nothing is free" argument? Even if the games were free to everyone, someone would come along with that argument and state that because we had to buy the console, they're not really free. Hell, they could probably just quote you and edit the words "Gold" to "Xbox" most the time.

No, because again, Games with Gold is a direct benefit of Gold both offered by the same company. It's the same service, Games WITH Gold.

To reiterate, if they changed it to "Games with Xbox" and offered it to everyone with an active account, would you consider it free then? Despite the fact that you would need to pay money, to the same company, to buy the Xbox in the first place?

{#}Free with payment{#} is an oxymoron designed by marketing departments. You can view it how you want, but I prefer to side with the reality presented by a simple fact: You cannot access Games with Gold without having Gold, a paid service.

Isn't that leaning towards the {#}Nothing is free{#} argument? Even if the games were free to everyone, someone would come along with that argument and state that because we had to buy the console, they're not really free. Hell, they could probably just quote you and edit the words {#}Gold{#} to {#}Xbox{#} most the time.

No, because again, Games with Gold is a direct benefit of Gold both offered by the same company. It's the same service, Games WITH Gold.

To reiterate, if they changed it to {#}Games with Xbox{#} and offered it to everyone with an active account, would you consider it free then? Despite the fact that you would need to pay money, to the same company, to buy the Xbox in the first place?

Not really comparable since Gold is a subscription service, not a one time purchase.

Not really comparable since Gold is a subscription service, not a one time purchase.

If I one time purchase Gold I can keep the 360 games I redeem forever.

Yes, but you know right now that you're getting the games as part of your purchase. Your theoretical situation involves people with active accounts, ie. people who paid for an Xbox without expecting the theoretical free games.

Also I think you can just make an Xbox account online and buy things without an Xbox so your example wouldn't work if that was the case since there would be no purchase required. Not sure though.

I already said that people who had paid for Gold when GwG was added could say it was free for them. But with GwG over 5 years old now, that time has passed.