windows has something to learn from #BB
1. when windows phone8 was released it was just a incremental innovation on the part of MS(re-size live tiles, xbox music, more app support ) but if we see BB there **** lot of improvements in BB10 to be specific the new way of typing, BB hub and these are radical innovations.
2. what made windows phone a W.O.W. OS is the superb Hardware support, Nokia has made a lot of breakthroughs in mobile OS like Wcharging, OIstabilization so windows has to learn new way of doing things from Nokia.

I have been watching the black berry launch. What Microsoft need to learn is apps and games.... Why ?

BB made a dev tool that can take an android app and in most cases with out a single line of code change can convert it over to a BB10 app. Yes, you can download a Android app (from your fav warez site) and run it through this converter and sideload it into your blackberry 10 device with NO CHANGES in code and it will run fine in most cases. Some cases where it needs changes just where the keyboard pops up and any other hardware access but, most of you know, anything that just uses just the touch screen (games and most apps) would just convert with No changes in code.

Microsoft needs to create a tool that will take a iOS or Android app in it's finished form and convert it over to WP7/8 with almost no changes and maybe we can keep up. Also BB app cert is costs are very low, a lot lower than Microsoft, so BB does not make that much money right now and that leads Devs to say, What the **** ? Low cost, possable sales and no conversion time or costs ?

The biggest problem reviewers complaned a lot about is the selections of Apps on Windows Phone and it's still hit with that. If there was a lower level of converstion and lower cost to get started (or Microsoft's cut on sales) BB has a big hands up here and could be a case for worry for most Windows Phone users.

That app that is on Android that you have been watiing for...will be aviable for BB but, not Windows phone...because of this.

BB is starting with 70,000 apps and over 40% of them are conversions from Android apps....Dont you think that is sort of cheating ?

Microsoft needs to make some strong changes on WP8, add some basics functions that all the other platforms had, including the dead Symbiam, improve the best functions on WP8 and make something new, to make the costumers want his phone... Because the new Windows phone 8 is becoming old, against all the other TOP 3 OSs ... Microsoft, C'mon ... Let us happy, not worried with your product, our OS.

BB10 is launching In my country next week Wednesday... We're a third world country. A speck on the map in the Caribbean. Lumia 920 is no where to be seen. (except mine of course)
But BlackBerry is the most popular brand here. I Guess carrier is doing what they can to make the fastest money.

Microsoft should only concentrate on PC , Forget about Mobile and Tablets.. They were never successful and they will never be successful. period

People said the same when Microsoft launched the Xbox - were last to the party - console had its issues and faults - microsoft should stay making software.

Look at them now. Top of the food chain with the xbox 360. If microsoft needs to learn anything from blackberry its dont lose your user base from a massive network outage and dont put all your eggs in one basket as a company just making phones.

I think it's safe to say that Microsoft is the company here that has put the most effort into their product.

2+ years in 3rd/4th place and now gaining proper traction, as iOS and Android users start getting bored of the same interface over and over again, they are going to move to Windows Phone and not Blackberry. Heck, even Nokia is reporting profits.

Originally Posted by bilzkh

If you watched the BB10 launch event you can tell that BlackBerry - regardless of what divisions, groups, teams, etc - are fully behind BlackBerry 10. Heck, they even had a roving app hit-squad in each of their key markets to find out that region's top apps, and they made a commitment in securing those apps for BB10. Also, BlackBerry seems to have a clear idea or belief as to where the smartphone market is heading, and are willing to push towards that route through their own products and services. Heck, their messaging around "mobile computing" was easily something Microsoft could have pushed with WP8, but it didn't.

The point I want to draw on is how it's clear that BlackBerry backs BB10, yet it makes it even clearer that Microsoft doesn't back WP8 to that extent. In relative terms, MS is putting in less into WP8 that BlackBerry is into BB10, and the reality reflects it. Look at how BlackBerry managed to secure (at least for Canada) most if not all of the top media/news apps, or key banking apps (e.g. RBC), or partnerships with carriers and banks to proliferate NFC payments, etc. This is the commitment one needs to show in order to fight in the smartphone market.

Now look at WP8. At its heart it is a superb OS with the social network integration, lenses integration, augmented reality apps, NFC and Wallet, etc. Then why, why in the name of all that is rational and sensible is MS not pushing each of these elements to the end-user in meaningful ways? Or rather, simply put, why isn't MS putting in the money and commitment behind such an effort? Why is it that we have to put up with a certain business division 'evaluating' Xbox's value on Windows Phone? Someone at the top needs to put Windows Phone front and center as a key pillar of Microsoft's future in an increasingly 'mobile computing' world, but clearly that isn't happening.

I have been watching the black berry launch. What Microsoft need to learn is apps and games.... Why ?

BB made a dev tool that can take an android app and in most cases with out a single line of code change can convert it over to a BB10 app. Yes, you can download a Android app (from your fav warez site) and run it through this converter and sideload it into your blackberry 10 device with NO CHANGES in code and it will run fine in most cases. Some cases where it needs changes just where the keyboard pops up and any other hardware access but, most of you know, anything that just uses just the touch screen (games and most apps) would just convert with No changes in code.

Microsoft needs to create a tool that will take a iOS or Android app in it's finished form and convert it over to WP7/8 with almost no changes and maybe we can keep up. Also BB app cert is costs are very low, a lot lower than Microsoft, so BB does not make that much money right now and that leads Devs to say, What the **** ? Low cost, possable sales and no conversion time or costs ?

The biggest problem reviewers complaned a lot about is the selections of Apps on Windows Phone and it's still hit with that. If there was a lower level of converstion and lower cost to get started (or Microsoft's cut on sales) BB has a big hands up here and could be a case for worry for most Windows Phone users.

That app that is on Android that you have been watiing for...will be aviable for BB but, not Windows phone...because of this.

BB is starting with 70,000 apps and over 40% of them are conversions from Android apps....Dont you think that is sort of cheating ?

I would not say that RIM/Blackberry is a dying company. It has 3 billion in cash and no debts. It is in a far better position than a lot of companies out there, especially with the new Z10 launch.

I'm not sure about that. What companies exactly?

Nokia had debt free cash of 8 billion euros (that's something above 11 billion dollars?) when they developed Qt for mobile (that BB10 uses) and much of the UI elements you see in BB10 are from Nokia's Swipe UI.

The get OS on the ground these days needs a lot more, something that even Nokia at its way bigger size was not able to do. The app situation reminds me of Nokia's MeeGo so much. 90% of are non usable Android "ports" and rest is mostly hobbyist apps.

Microsoft should only concentrate on PC , Forget about Mobile and Tablets.. They were never successful and they will never be successful. period

That would be a huge mistake. The PC is becoming less and less relevant. Tablets like the iPad are taking a big chunk out of laptop sales. Smartphones are becoming ubiquitous and there is still a huge untapped worldwide market for them, and unlike PCs, people buy a new smartphone every two years instead of upgrading them or living with what they've got for 5 or 6 years.

Good God. A dying company puts out two new phones and Microsoft is suddenly crap.

Talk about hysteria.

I wouldn't count Blackberry out just yet, they still have more market share than Windows Phone and they are just one OEM who enjoys 100% of that market to itself. I think Blackberry is going to be around for a while longer and it is going to a hard fight for Windows Phone. On the up side I think the competition will be healthy for Microsoft and encourage them to stop being so timid with Windows Phone, and that will be good for all of us. If Blackberry has a good year, expect to be very surprised by what you see in Windows Phone 8.5.

windows has something to learn from #BB
1. when windows phone8 was released it was just a incremental innovation on the part of MS(re-size live tiles, xbox music, more app support ) but if we see BB there **** lot of improvements in BB10 to be specific the new way of typing, BB hub and these are radical innovations.
2. what made windows phone a W.O.W. OS is the superb Hardware support, Nokia has made a lot of breakthroughs in mobile OS like Wcharging, OIstabilization so windows has to learn new way of doing things from Nokia.

os features are one thing but windows phone 8 improved primarily with what was limited due to hardware. tap+send? eq on the lumias resize tiles xbox rebranding improved people hub including rooms. new colors for themes, wifi stay alive (granted it didnt launch with it). Its easy to say blackberry improved the crap out of their os since its a brand new os........ os7 and bb10 are not the same and never will be so of course in comparison to os7 your looking at huge improvements but in reality its just an os built from the ground up so it cannot be really compared to their previous (iterations). and even if you did all blackberry was good for was email and communications but apps blew on it...

“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”- Plato

1. Don't develop any newer technology for 2+ years so that your 1 year late launch of 8 month old hardware looks impressive.
2. Keep you loyal customers way behind competitive options so they will all line up day one for your 1 year late phone and create impressive demand.
3. Forget why those people stuck with BB to begin with and don't include many of the core features your old operating system had.

Those are the lessons that I got from Blackberry this past week and as a BB user since 2005 I will be getting an Ativ S this week.

People complain about WP7 not being upgradable but BB was the king of not upgradable. I had OS4.5 devices that would not take OS 5, OS5 that would not take 6, and my OS6 9800 could not be upgraded to os7 wich came out 3 months after I got my phone. At least windows came out with 7.8 which will give WP7 users a lot of the features of WP8.

1. Don't develop any newer technology for 2+ years so that your 1 year late launch of 8 month old hardware looks impressive.
2. Keep you loyal customers way behind competitive options so they will all line up day one for your 1 year late phone and create impressive demand.
3. Forget why those people stuck with BB to begin with and don't include many of the core features your old operating system had.

Those are the lessons that I got from Blackberry this past week and as a BB user since 2005 I will be getting an Ativ S this week.

People complain about WP7 not being upgradable but BB was the king of not upgradable. I had OS4.5 devices that would not take OS 5, OS5 that would not take 6, and my OS9800 could not be upgraded to os7 wich came out 3 months after I got my phone. At least windows came out with 7.8 which will give WP7 users a lot of the features of WP8.

One thing BlackBerry learned from other manufacturers is to understock devices to make it appear as if it has sold out.

Originally Posted by pillswoj

Lessons to be learned from Blackberry:

3. Forget why those people stuck with BB to begin with and don't include many of the core features your old operating system had.

I have a friend who is a bit of a BB fanboy and after using the Z10 over a day he has been greatly disappointed by some of the features that they have left out of BB10. I don't know what the features do since I never used a Blackberry device but it was enough for him to consider returning the phone to Rogers.

He's also been telling me how BB10 is smooth but many of the feature are counter-intuitive and the OS frequently locks up on him. The screen quality and battery life also is pretty bad according to him compared to his GS3.

1. Don't develop any newer technology for 2+ years so that your 1 year late launch of 8 month old hardware looks impressive.
2. Keep you loyal customers way behind competitive options so they will all line up day one for your 1 year late phone and create impressive demand.
3. Forget why those people stuck with BB to begin with and don't include many of the core features your old operating system had.

Those are the lessons that I got from Blackberry this past week and as a BB user since 2005 I will be getting an Ativ S this week.

People complain about WP7 not being upgradable but BB was the king of not upgradable. I had OS4.5 devices that would not take OS 5, OS5 that would not take 6, and my OS6 9800 could not be upgraded to os7 wich came out 3 months after I got my phone. At least windows came out with 7.8 which will give WP7 users a lot of the features of WP8.

I saw the the same thing my with brother ! Be bought a Curve 8900 (Software wasn't upgradable to the next version) & then a Torch 9800 (Same thing) & then a Bold (9900) & now a Z10
every phone he bought wasn't upgradable to the next OS !

You Forgot about NoDo , Mango & Tango !
People complain Microsoft is not pushing updates to Windows Phone & yet Microsoft released 3 major updates to Windows Phone 7 , Not to mention the 7.8 update thingy !
No body does that , Google usually stops supporting a device after a couple of big updates ! Apple might go for the 3 major ones ! but thats it