We talk about open learning and open educational resources in K-12 education. We discuss the benefits and challenges of open resources, such as the new K-12 OER Community of Practice, http://www.k12opened.com/community/[18] and how online spaces like this and others might be used to support educators in opening up their practice.

21:33Peggy George: some sights block you from using resources that violate copyright laws like youtube

21:33karen (@kfasimpaur): yes

21:33Nate: If you infringe on material, you are violating a government-given monopoly right. Whether or not the delineation of that monopoly is fair, infringement is a violation of the law. Some people might feel like being civilly disobedient about that; you might get into a discussion about whether you have to stand up for your disobediance by being willing ot suffer the legal consequences of infringement.

21:33Peggy George: great point Nate

21:34karen (@kfasimpaur): Well put, Nate

21:34Peggy George: I've known many bloggers who get really upset with people who lift entire blog posts word for word with no attribution...rightly so.

21:35Nate: as far as cultural norms are concerned plagiarism is a different beast than copyright infringement. In legal terms, there's some overlap.

21:35Ian (@wiobyrne): Nate..bring this point up

21:36Verena @verenanz: @peggy I like making you think....

21:37Peggy George: unfortunately that is often the mentality--it's ok unless I get caught

21:38Nate: It's natural that copyright and licensing comes up as part of open ed week. I think that shouldn't be the only element of the conversation that we host about the issue, as people who live/believe open.

21:42Jim Stauffer: Model open learning was my first thought when'd Karen asked the question. Now I'm hearing it from the whole hangout

21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks, Jim.

21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): I'm playing with ways to model online ... community building online...how does this get done effectively?

21:46Nate: Encouraging open practice: "It's about saying that teachers don't have to build everything themselves"

21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): "It doesn't have to be perfect."

21:47Peggy George: wish Open Ed Week didn't have such a long twitter hashtag :-) #openeducationwk

21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): That should be the motto for open....maybe learning in general

21:47Verena @verenanz: #oewk - much better :) and cuter

21:47Peggy George: I love the term coined by Peter Reynolds for doesn't have to be perfect... "....ish"

21:48Peggy George: definitely much better! but noone is using that...

21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): I've suggested Creative COmmons licensing to several K-12 districts and never had pushback

21:53Nate: I've seen a lot of situations where people see open practices, think they are a good idea, but don't think _their_ idea is ready to share.

21:53Peggy George: I've seen that too Nate

21:53Verena @verenanz: Totally agree Nate :)

21:54karen (@kfasimpaur): yes

21:54Jim Stauffer: Also see ds106's Daily Create

21:55Nate: I think a lot of creating culture around open learning is sharing the underlying metaphors that help us who have done it understand the space.

21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): How would you share those, Nate?

21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): It's a lot about values

21:57Nate: Well, part of it, as we said earlier is through role models. But metaphors are built for sharing. If we think of learning as "collecting stuff", we'll feel differently about what we should do than if we see learning as "connecting with people and ideas"

21:57Peggy George: do you need to understand the space to participate in open learning?

21:57Nate: No, I think you probably necessarily don't understand it when you start.

21:58Peggy George: I think the people who struggle the most with MOOCs are those who come in with rid expectations about how learning should happen

21:58Peggy George: rigid...

21:59karen (@kfasimpaur): By the way, Nate is @ottonomy

22:00Peggy George: great story about mandatory posting vs optional/open Wonder if more people responded with open or just a few carried on an engaged conversation?

22:00karen (@kfasimpaur): I'm taking notes on commun building at hte bottom of doc if anyone wants to add

22:00Peggy George: very helpful Karen

22:02Peggy George: really important points about the teacher participating in the conversations! students take on the leadership and become the experts

22:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Greg is @jgmac1106

22:04Greg (@jgmac1106): Kren sharing my handle so I can finally get attacked by the masses

22:04Greg (@jgmac1106): Karen*

22:05Peggy George: Excellent conversation! Thank you all for your open sharing!!! :-)

22:05Peggy George: love it! showing up is a big thing :-)

22:06Peggy George: I'm loving what's happening with the YouthVoices sharing and the student collaborative Hangouts exploring their research interests

22:06karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks for being here everyone!

22:06Peggy George: hear hear!!!! Huge thanks to Paul and Monika and Chris for always being here and keeping these conversations going!