Start the Week Open Thread 10 September 2018

its 200 days to our WTO Brexit. So the Far Left BBC will go all out to subvert the democratic vote . Meanwhile the Swedes have shown that they do not approve of their politicians destroying their own country – a liberal poison which spread across the West unchecked up until our Brexit vote .

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Crunched the numbers ? how scientific, gives one a real sense of their analysis from the BBC sociology and media study graduates, mathematics or science not being a requirement for their studies or ever giving them pause for thought

How about “crunching the numbers” of white british indigenous males in this country and their lack of representation in the media ? the percentage of white females married to white males in this country and their lack of representation in the media ? the true percentage of muslims in this country and the percentage of coverage they get on your website ? the percentage of attacks upon jews and homosexuals comitted by “far right” compared to muslims, a statistical analysis of the ethnic background of london stabbers, all interesting numbers but unlikely to be “crunched” I will assume
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201908-13 Guardian Opinion.
“Casual sexism creates victims. We should acknowledge that and police it”
Yes let’s police it. Let’s police it to death.
Let’s have these new laws you haters want, that will have white men, because they are the target of this article, in jail for having the wrong DNA.

Of course that will leave fewer resources to police professional sexism, like mass rape of white girls with correlated racism and religionism.

But police it anyway, let’s worry about rich, privately-educated, stuck-up, Communist snobs being whistled at in the street.

casual sexism hmm like that coke advert or lately anything about Poldark lets all have a public letch at his sixpack and when is he going to take his shirt off ? hmmm or all agreeing on social media and “loose witches” about wetting your little panties about firemen ?

Neither of them worth much, one was a butler once that raised a snigger now and again, the other asks some questions on a quiz show, a “mellifluous tone” on a whale programme is all the butler does now

Breaking news on sky.
Carney (hard line remainer) comes out with more doom and gloom.
He says no deal could mean going into recession and house prices dropping by a third.
Plonker.

The remoaners are putting everything into trying to scare people about Brexit. No phones, driving, aircraft, food, medicine…you name it, it’s the end of the world next March.

They must be causing lots of people, older or just ordinary folk, to worry, thinking that there must be something in what they are continuously spewing out about Brexit.
Our lot, the brexiteers don’t seem to be doing a very good job countering all these wild claims and threats.
Or maybe they are not being given the airtime.

Politics live today (loose wimmin) all remainers except one of them.
Kay Burley interviewing 3 people about today’s scare stories on Brexit, 2 remoaners to 1 normal person (the leaver)

I wish our leaver leaders would go on the offensive instead of being so easy going.
Why don’t they point out all the horrors of staying in the eu.

Have you told the hordes at Calais , Zeebrugge etc that Britain will be a poor , racist country where there will be no food and medicines , and your mobile phones you all have will be £70 per minute roaming charge to your people smuggler ?

And the ex senior civil servant from the Home Office ( lauded by the then Home Secretary Therea May on his retirement ) who got another sinecure from whence he said that we can’t control the numbers coming in – what ! to a country of food shortages and no medicines ? Why AreThey Coming Here ?

BBc could not resist a round up article on all the things that will go wrong with our world post Brexit…. BUT a new one for me in there that UK citizens wont be able to take guns to Europe but EU citizens (residents?) can bring their guns here to the UK… What’s the point of this??? It must apply to a incredibly small number of firearms licence holders and perhaps sports competition shooters….. perhaps just padding and a little scare froth….

“Firearms

Currently, EU citizens are allowed to travel with firearms between member states.
This requires a “European Firearms Pass”, and if you have one, you can go back and forth with it.
However, in a no-deal scenario, people from the UK will not be able to get one of these passes and will have to check with the country they are travelling to what the rules are. The rules won’t change for EU citizens though, whose passes will still be accepted in the UK.”

Although it affects just a tiny number of people, the rules need to be changed so that EU “citizens” should be treated in this country in exactly the same way as reverse. Anything else would be a black mark against the government member agreeing to a one-sided deal.

Every difficulty placed in the path of Britons by the EU must be reciprocated in full.

“Skripal suspects’ tourist claims ‘offensive to victims’”
Russia knows this . That’s why they published it. It offended Mrs May, but what is she going to do about it? They are ‘taking the Mick’ out of her because they know she is weak.
Russia has control over Germany and the EU because they supply gas to them. Trump warned about this. The EU controls Mrs May, she is a Remainer.

“UK driving licence ‘may not be valid in EU’ after no-deal Brexit”
So no more British tourists driving to the EU?
The EU suffers.
This could work both ways, no more delivery of European Goods to the UK
The EU suffers.
Have they really thought this propaganda out?
Its done in an act of desperation.

Guest Who
May is getting desperate, that’s why it is being asked. That was her plan two years ago. Why do you think Al Beeb and the media has been given free rein?
She is a Remainer which would explain all the procrastination.

''We have been lied to quite severely on Brexit''@faizashaheen says that while the government has been 'going round and round in circles' on Brexit, many other important issues have been forgotten #bbcqtpic.twitter.com/4AD67XB81L

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”We have been lied to quite severely on Brexit”
Those old enough to remember 1975, will be reminded that we were told then that the EU was only a trading group, a Common Market, nothing more.
We were lied to quite severely .

Ah yes, anything we didn’t like we would be able to veto, (replaced by ‘qualified majority voting’ in which we are easily out-voted), and ‘free-movement’, which, although in the treaty, ‘doesn’t actually happen in practice and isn’t expected to happen in future’, (until we tack on eastern countries with wages a tenth of ours).

The biggest, and more recent lie is that the EU doesn’t make our laws yet apparently it is now impossible to leave because the EU makes all our laws.

The Dalai Lama has the responsibility (amongst others) of disseminating the Kalachakra tantra. He has been doing so continuously for over 60 years. This cycle of Buddhist teaching and practice does not speak favourably of particular invading ‘barbarian’ forces, on an exoteric level at the very least.

It is no surprise that the media don’t touch his comments with a bargepole.

“The UK’s bulk interception powers, exposed by the whistleblower Edward Snowden, have been found to be illegal by the European Court of Human Rights.” – (GCHQ).
Is the EU getting worried about our intel. ?
They should be .

The beeb / msm continue to be very vexed about child abuse in the Catholic Church in US and elsewhere.
How heartening to see such concern for the welfare of our children.

So I wonder if readers of this site can think of other examples of widespread child abuse by members of a religion, perhaps closer to home? Should we inform the beeb so they can whip up some righteous indignation?

I watched Spotlight last night. The film is about the Boston Globe’s investigation into child abuse by priests in that city. The journalists found the law and legal system were involved in keeping the lid on the story.

Now… I thought, what about a film about those who tried to sweep events under the carpet in Rotherham, Rochadale, Oxford, Telford etc. That would make quite uncomfortable viewing for all.

I trust you’re all enjoying World Afro Day?
Personally, I dread this sort of thing. I noted hereabouts (on another thread) some weeks back how Radio 4 combing as they are wont to do through the roots of minority activism had gone head over heels with The Politics Of Hair. Not content, suddenly BBC tv locks into World Afro Day.
Seriously, the PC watchword is supposed to Inclusivity and yet this targeted activism in which so many are excluded is on the contrary highly divisive intentionally sowing seeds of resentment. Stop it BBC. It’s twisted.

The world of stand up comedy has established the phrase ‘Mic Drop’ moment to refer to the end of a successful performance. It’s become something media savvy youngsters among us now regard as a meme.

I’d like to suggest a new concept the ‘Off Switch’ moment a term useful in describing a statement perhaps heard from a BBC presenter or item introduced on BBC TV or Radio which tips the normal run of Lefty bias to some extreme point beyond the pale. Maybe an instance where the habitual achingly PC agenda veers off into the realms of the absurd. Alternatively a moment where a BBC presenter is simply unconscionably dumb. Causing one to exercise one’s right to the off switch.

I’ll start the ball rolling with my example from this morning.

Glancing at Breakfast on the BBC News Channel and resigning myself to having to stomach a heavy bout of prefigured – indeed prepackaged – weather porn related to the up coming Florida storm I hear the bearded sofa munchkin Jon Kay mutter “I love the names of storms”

Excuse me BBC, sorry, this must be my mistake. I’ve double booked or something? It’s a pain I know but I think I’ve got a diary clash. On the one hand World Hijab Day, on the other hand World Afro Day.

Poor Mishal is not having a good morning. Just before 7 am she asked somebody from Salisbury Cathedral about Amazon. He very firmly replied he had been asked on to talk about the Russian poisoners and not Amazon.
Then after the 7am news she was interviewing a man from the American Red Cross mainly about the storm (it isn’t a hurricane now) in the Carolinas. But she tried to trap him into commenting on Trump and the hurricane last year in Puerto Rico. He firmly replied that all his energies right now are on the present storm.
Wonder why she isn’t paid as much as Humphries?

The two men accused of poisoning Sergei and Yulia Skripal told the world on Thursday that they’d only gone to Salisbury to see the cathedral. The claims drew much derision, not least because they chose to make their protestations of innocence via state-run TV station RT. The channel’s editor-in-chief, though, didn’t take kindly to being quizzed by Newsnight about the interview. Margarita Simonyan hung up on Kirsty Wark, calling her questions “typical Western propaganda”.“

Margarita could of course have been ‘quizzed’ by Samira, look a bit sulky, and say they ‘got it about right’. Sorted.

Look, and listen, to the other specially invited panellists as they attempt to interrupt or sign and flounce against fact and logic…

WATCH | @JuliaHB1 on top form tonight: "If we don't get a deal, it's because our wonderful friends in the EU want to punish us for having a democratic vote. If they want to punish us for having a democratic vote, why on Earth would anyone want to remain in that club?!" #BBCQTpic.twitter.com/cBSbQRlxna

The BBC has such arcane divisions of responsibility. As far as I recall he has some sort of oversight but no responsibility for content! But others like Head of Values, Head of Equality, Head of BBC 2 will no doubt have some role to play. I think I read somewhere that the BBC treats its organisation chart like a state secret.
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Probably because it would look like a bowl of spaghetti covered in squid ink.”

Quite! More “fake news”. And of course what the MSM, BBC etc is losing sight of is that its the WORST case scenario. Did anyone ask Carney what the he thinks is the probability of this is… <3%, 5%, 15% no of course they didnt as that spoils Project Fear 2.0. How about the best case scenario assume there is one of these as well.

I’m thinking of starting a new thread but I got told off last time I went early ….

Ithnk Carney isn’t be pessimistic enough. A 35% drop in house prices isn’t enough – in fact it will be nearer to a 100 to a 110% drop meaning we ll have to pay ourselves 10% of the value to live in our own homes .

And I’ve started to hoard air just in case we can’t get any from the EUreich

The Project Fear stuff is as out of hand as it was during the referendum campaign . Are these remainers so thick that they don’t realise it didn’t work the first time and won’t work again .

Obviously carney and soros are not british so miss out on the inate national character of rejecting bullying and the nonsense of project fear 1 and 2 .

As I’ve said before – if it all goes bandy with a wto brexit then we can rejoin and give up out country – if it all goes well it should hopefully kill off the ReichEU in its current form

BBC headline you won’t see: ‘No-deal Brexit to deliver massive housing boost for young people and families’. As a co-ordinated part of Project Fear, the BBC is reporting the comments of globalist spokesman Carney on a possible fall in house prices when Britain leaves the crumbling EU (“Oh no, Maud, I wish I hadn’t voted for Brexit! Can’t we have a second referendum?”). Yet they could have portrayed it in a very different light. For the past decade, they have been pushing the narrative that young people cannot afford to get on to the housing ladder, most recently just a month ago:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45084530
Yet, here we have a stunning prediction that house prices may fall by up to a 1/3rd, thereby making housing a lot more affordable to many more people. Surely a time for great celebration, no?
All of this feeds into the wider establishment narrative that a house should be an investment rather than just a place to live, thereby papering over the holes regarding low interest rates and poorly performing pensions.
To quote a comedian from years gone by: “It’s the way I tell ’em”.

If they take down everyone who criticises S. Yorks police it will be a long list.
Oh, but hang on, AMW is the leader of common sense political party.
God forbid we allow any common sense.

Update: Apparently @ForBritainParty leader @AMDWaters has been suspended from Twitter for criticising South Yorkshire Police's priorities.We will of course challenge this decision that is clearly politicised censorship. Follow her on gab: https://t.co/OZ7Jve78Yh RT

Have I been buried so deep in a blinkered Biased BBC Bubble that I have missed the BBC’s widepsread coverage of the Dalai Lama’s comments about immigration and asylum seekers when he visited Sweden? Surely they gave him an extensive write up as Sweden and immigration were front and centre of the news agenda just days ago with the elections?

Why wouldn’t the BBC be loudly cheering his words as he exhorted immigrants to return to their homelands to rebuild them and their societies stating that ‘Europe belongs to the Europeans’?

‘The Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, said Wednesday that “Europe belongs to the Europeans” and that refugees should return to their native countries to rebuild them.

Speaking at a conference in Sweden’s third-largest city of Malmo, home to a large immigrant population, the Dalai Lama — who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 — said Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life”.

“Receive them, help them, educate them… but ultimately they should develop their own country,” said the 83-year-old Tibetan who fled the capital Lhasa in fear of his life after China poured troops into the region to crush an uprising.

“I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,” he said, adding they should make clear to refugees that “they ultimately should rebuild their own country”. ‘

‘ “When we look at the face of each refugee, but especially those of the children and women, we feel their suffering, and a human being who has a better situation in life has the responsibility to help them.

“But on the other hand, there are too many at the moment… Europe, Germany in particular, cannot become an Arab country, Germany is Germany”.

Wise words that it would be wise not to ignore…though the BBC seems to have.

I had to chuckle last night. R4 News at 10 kept harping on about how RT was state-funded, implying that that would make it biased and untrustworthy. Pot. Kettle.
What I was able to agree with was the unreliability of anything the two ‘GRU’ men said. However, simply because they made fools of themselves is no reason to believe anything we are being told by the beeb and its buddies.
This has been a wonderful exercise to try and make May look strong, when she has little support, and create the ‘enemy at the gates’, so she can strut her indignation and ‘unite the country behind her’.

Yep….by coincidence just looking at the US intelligence assessment of the alleged Russian attempts to influence the election, so far its mostly high school stuff with ‘confident’ assertions, based on what seems more like wishful thinking, that Russia did try to hack the election…for example Putin said he was pleased that Trump wanted to have better relations with Russia…strong evidence of collusion!

As for RT they come up with some tripe and as you say stones and glasshouses….the things the US intelligence complain of and say are evidence of electoral interference or intereference in US national affairs, are exactly the same things that the BBC reports negatively on……from fracking to US intelligence illegal actions and uber State surveillance, and support for Occupy as well as opposition to western intervention in other countries…..standard BBC fare….

From the report…..

‘ RT Editor in Chief Margarita Simonyan recently declared that the United States itself lacks democracy and that it has “no moral right to teach the rest of the world” (Kommersant, 6 November).

Simonyan has characterized RT’s coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement as “information warfare” that is aimed at promoting popular dissatisfaction with the US Government. RT created a Facebook app to connect Occupy Wall Street protesters via social media. In addition, RT featured its own hosts in Occupy rallies (“Minaev Live,” 10 April; RT, 2, 12 June).

RT’s reports often characterize the United States as a “surveillance state” and allege widespread infringements of civil liberties, police brutality, and drone use (RT, 24, 28 October, 1-10 November).

RT has also focused on criticism of the US economic system, US currency policy, alleged Wall Street greed, and the US national debt. Some of RT’s hosts have compared the United States to Imperial Rome and have predicted that government corruption and “corporate greed” will lead to US financial collapse (RT, 31 October, 4 November).

RT runs anti-fracking programming, highlighting environmental issues and the impacts on public health. This is likely reflective of the Russian Government’s concern about the impact of fracking and US natural gas production on the global energy market and the potential challenges to Gazprom’s profitability (5 October).

RT is a leading media voice opposing Western intervention in the Syrian conflict and blaming the West for waging “information wars” against the Syrian Government (RT, 10 October-9 November).

In an earlier example of RT’s messaging in support of the Russian Government, during the Georgia-Russia military conflict the channel accused Georgians of killing civilians and organizing a genocide of the Ossetian people. According to Simonyan, when “the Ministry of Defense was at war with Georgia,” RT was “waging an information war against the entire Western world” (Kommersant, 11 July).

On the same page
“Carney … is about to become a British citizen, just as we’re supposed to be leaving the EU. He’d previously come here on an Irish passport. If Carney now thinks it’s safe to become British, what does he know about Brexit that he’s not telling us?”

Trump is the devil incarnate who is tearing up the world order and destroying trade and global prosperity as he renegotiates trade deals….so bad is he that his own staff have to hide trade documents from him so that he won’t do anymore damage! [allegedly…it’s all bollocks by the way]

What about the BBC’s heroine, could she have been the saviour of world trade?

The FT didn’t think so as it shows NAFTA is unpopular, signed by Bill Clinton…..

‘Hillary Clinton’s awkward history on trade policy……If Donald Trump exposed any policy weakness in Hillary Clinton during an otherwise shaky performance at this week’s first US presidential debate, it was in her position — and history — on trade.

By tying Mrs Clinton to the unpopular North American Free Trade Agreement, which her husband signed into existence, and a Pacific Rim pact she now opposes but once regularly praised as secretary of state, Mr Trump was targeting the disgruntled blue-collar voters at the heart of his strategy to win the White House. He also came close to rattling her.

As the Independent tells us NAFTA was much criticised….

‘she played a key role the administration of her husband that ratified the much criticised NAFTA. ‘

Hillary Clinton was at first opposed to NAFTA…

‘As he campaigned for the presidency in 1992, Mrs Clinton was among those lobbying Bill Clinton to oppose Nafta.

But then supported it once it had her old man’s name on it…

‘However, Mrs Clinton also then went on to speak glowingly about the deal with Canada and Mexico both as first lady and as a senator from New York. “I think Nafta is proving its worth,” she said in 1996. ‘

So NAFTA, far from being the fantastic and popular agreement it is portrayed as is in fact highly controversial and unpopular in many corners….which I guess is one reason Trump got elected…to dump or rewrite NAFTA.

She opposed the TPP…

‘Mrs Clinton has grown increasingly unequivocal in opposing the TPP, which was signed by the US, Japan and 10 other countries this year but must still be ratified by Congress.’

But what else?

Oh she opposes TTIP, the trade agreement with the EU…..

‘Brussels in crisis as Hillary Clinton hints she will KILL OFF hated EU-US trade deal’‘In a strongly worded statement the Democrat front-runner said she would “stop” any agreement that jeopardised American jobs, throwing the entire decades-long negotiation into chaos.

Pitching to disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters she said free trade deals had been damaging to ordinary US workers in a speech marking a significant policy shift from Barack Obama. ‘

So Clinton may have been just as likely to upset the trade applecart as Trump…just that the BBC et al would have been applauding her actions whilst they denounce Trump’s.

1) BBC Jon Sopel is supposed to tell us about the news,
2) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter feed has the BBC name in it and says “Jon Sopel, BBC North America Editor. My book If Only They Didn’t Speak English is out now.”.
3) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter’s pinned tweet is from 23May2018 and is about .. himself and his book.
4) Is BBC Jon Sopel’s book 100% BBC approved thought and unbiased and partial?
5) Shouldn’t BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter be about the latest news and not himself?

BBC Complaint: CAS-4906141-BFJQL0: I take offence that presenters promote their books.

He’s added a chapter about Trump’s first year in power. I’d say we can guess almost word for word what will be in it. And that it will be very one-sided. Can’t think of a book I’d be less likely to buy.

“Impartiality lies at the heart of public service and is the core of the BBC’s commitment to its audiences. It applies to all our output and services – television, radio, online, and in our international services and commercial magazines. We must be inclusive, considering the broad perspective and ensuring the existence of a range of views is appropriately reflectedhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality”

Aside from Julia H-B’s unique and entirely valid comments on Thursday evening, one of the many predictable aspects of QT and the way in which the EU is discussed remains constant.
Despite providing such fruitful ground for entirely relevant criticism, the fact that the union is close to collapse, both politically and financially, is never mentioned. In sad reality the EU seems constantly regarded as some sort of nirvana, an enviable and perfect state beyond any criticism, not only by any panelist, but also by any member of any audience.
Yes there will be comments on bullying and arrogance and deliberate obstruction, but when will the true situation ever be discussed? Why does no-one question the reasons behind the rise of ‘far right’ movements? Or the levels of duplicity and double-dealing behind the majority of EU legislation? Or the head-in-sand attitudes of the EU Commission? Or the longer term problems of immigration – let alone what is happening right now, and which again is never discussed or even accepted as a reality?
Actually, forget QT, that’s simply narrowing the field down. Why are none of the above ever discussed on the BBC?

The BBC operates a 24/7 ‘tell it often enough’ policy, complemented with Brexit by a perverse reversal of reality by operating exclusively on the basis that it was wrong and needs to be reversed.

Hence programmes, topics, guests, staging and audiences are framed and/or invited from the defensive high ground of this unshakeable conviction, and any seeking to disagree or even debate via the public broadcast airwaves are required to run uphill against more numerous forces to do so.

1) Is BBC Jon Sopel supposed to tell us about the news or his new book?

2) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter feed has the BBC name in it and says “Jon Sopel, BBC North America Editor. My book If Only They Didn’t Speak English is out now.” which references his book and not the fact he is an unbiased and impartial reporter.

3) BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter’s pinned tweet is from 23May2018 and is about .. himself and his book.

5) Shouldn’t BBC Jon Sopel’s twitter be about the latest news and not himself?

6) When Jon Sopel sells a book does it go to help pay for the BBC TV Tax – to reduce it? As the BBC are promoting it – thus it is promoted by the BBC TV Tax Payer.

“Impartiality lies at the heart of public service and is the core of the BBC’s commitment to its audiences. It applies to all our output and services – television, radio, online, and in our international services and commercial magazines. We must be inclusive, considering the broad perspective and ensuring the existence of a range of views is appropriately reflected”https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality