Evolution vs. Creation – It's Not Really About Science

Richard Dawkins seems like a reasonably intelligent chap. He's a bestselling author and has appeared in a number of films. He's also got a charming British accent and appears to know a lot about evolution. How interesting that we happen to know someone else with a charming British accent, an author who has appeared in films, a man who knows a lot about evolution and who is a very intelligent fellow … but who is the direct opposite of Richard Dawkins where it matters the most.

That man is Ian Taylor, host of the Creation Moments radio broadcast. So why is one of these men a strident evolutionist while the other an outspoken creationist? We believe it has nothing to do with science or their level of intelligence … but it has everything to do with their spiritual understanding.

For Dawkins, evolution is the only game in town because – to him – God does not exist. He rejects the Bible and the account of creation given in its opening pages. Ian Taylor, on the other hand, believes in God. He also believes that the Bible's account of creation is true and is supported by good science.

So while there are thinkers on both sides of the issue – like Richard Dawkins and Ian Taylor – it is clear to us that the creation-evolution debate is fundamentally a dispute over the existence of God. Because if God exists, it is reasonable to believe He created the universe. And if God doesn't exist, biblical creation is foolishness.

While Creation Moments does not agree with Dawkins on most matters, we do feel that this God-denying evolutionist is thinking clearly when he says the debate is really about spiritual matters. He made that point in The Blind Watchmaker, where he wrote: "Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist."

Possible? Only to someone who is himself blind.

Comments

Submitted by April (not verified) on Thu, 2010-08-12 20:14.

Just like the scriptures say, men think they are wise, but the wisdom of men is foolishness to God. Evolutionism has no sound scientific basis. It is a theory that runs contrary to fact and relies on discarded notions like spontaneous generation. The only reason to believe in evolution is so in your own mind you can place yourself in God's stead. Ask an evolutionist how he determines right from wrong, and he'll invariably tell you he decides. And he might change his mind from moment to moment. But God never changes. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Even Dawkins admits he'd hate to live in a world that was run by the philosophy of evolutionism.

Submitted by MTM (not verified) on Fri, 2010-08-13 12:39.

There is a huge difference between someone like Ian Taylor, who accepts the light of Christ, and someone like Richard Dawkins, who walks in darkness. A completely impartial observer would spot it right away. One person seeks truth and the other seeks to hide from it. People like Dawkins who refuse to accept the Lord's guidance are walking in crooked paths that show in their thinking, their attitude, their speech, and their tone of voice. You can also see it in their eyes.

Submitted by Rob Lester (not verified) on Sat, 2010-08-14 14:00.

Not to start off by throwing a grenade, but I think the debate indeed hinges on mindset in this way: It requires humility to admit humanity is not the supreme intelligence and highest being in the universe. It requires humility to accept the commands of a higher Supreme Being and subject oneself to that authority. I see precious little humility in debates with atheists. Deny it as they might, they have set themselves up as their own "god" and ultimate authority. In place of humility I see instead profound arrogance and selfishness and an unwillingness to admit they might be wrong.

Submitted by jason (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-16 20:04.

I'm sorry but you are simply not correct.

Population mechanics has nothing to do with God and morality. I'm not arrogant for accepting evidence. But you make these generalized statements assuming I want to prop myself up as a God... your point of view is so skewed you are projecting your own assumptions on people like me. I simply accept the multiple lines of evidence for evolution. Your argument for a young earth and a literal interpretation of Genesis is an act of faith. By definition that means you chose this In Spite of evidence. And yet I'm the arrogant fool?

Submitted by Hilary (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-24 19:14.

Well said Jason! You have put your finger right on the spot.
I am coming at this from a different starting point from many. I have never had a problem with accepting evolution and seeing how the theory neatly fitted the facts visible in the landscape and fossils etc.
For many years I was a committed Christian, church every Sunday, prayers every day, studying my Bible. But then I began to question my beliefs and read around the subject. I developed an open mind and debated with both church goers and non-believers.
The first thing that became quite clear to me after some while was that Jesus, whilst an historical figure, was not the son of God. I then remembered what a Moslem had said to me when discussing my faith - "I will stand before God and take responsibility for my sins. I do not need Jesus to intercede for me". At the time I strongly disagreed with him, but now I have come to realise that he was right.
I'm still the same person, but without having the pressure of religion on me and following my own conscience life is so much better and I am so much happier.

Submitted by Adam (not verified) on Thu, 2010-08-26 13:32.

The so-called "open" mind of those who accept evolutionist propaganda really means you've left your door open for the enemy to come in and take over your house. That's not a wise move. The enemy comes to kill and destroy. By the way, no one is actually happier without the Savior. Instead of congratulating yourself on moving away from God, think about what it might be like to have separated yourself from him forever by following your own way.

Submitted by Hilary (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-29 11:46.

By the way, Adam, I KNOW I am so much happier now than when I was a Christian, so don't tell me that I can't be! I still go around doing 'good works', helping old ladies, giving to charity etc. I love my neighbour as myself, turn the other cheek and forgive others their trespasses. But I do this because I believe that it is the right thing to do, and if everyone were to behave like this then war and hatred would be a thing of the past. I do not do it because I believe in Jesus as the son of God.

I only have to listen to those American Christians (I'm British by the way) calling for the re-incarceration of the Pan Am bomber who is mortally ill, or supporting the death penalty to know that I am right and they are very wrong.

Submitted by stevejs on Mon, 2010-08-30 15:12.

Hilary, I don't doubt that you can find happiness without God being a part of your own life. It must be fun to be your own god, calling your own shots and doing whatever you want to do. All I can say is that I hope you enjoy this life because you're going to be miserable throughout eternity unless you come down off that throne of yours and put your life in the hands of the God who really does exist. This isn't just my opinion; I am merely telling you what the Bible says, as you well know.

And by the way, if there is no God, there is no objective basis for right and wrong. So all of your so-called "good works" mean absolutely nothing. In fact, if your good works lead you to the false belief that you are a good person, this only leads to pride - the underlying root of all sin.

Incidentally, if the Pan Am bomber is responsible for the death of many innocent people, he does deserve to be incarcerated. If not, then why not empty all the world's prisons? Your "thinking" makes absolutely no sense to me.

Submitted by Jacob (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-30 16:07.

Hilary, Hilary, you can't actually be saying that you are happier without the Lord your God Jesus Christ, your Redeemer and your Savior. Without him there is no justice, no peace, no safety, no happiness. While it is true that religious associations may not always bring happiness, it's never true that you're better off without the caring hand of our gracious and compassionate God. Everything good comes from him. You know that, Hilary. Happiness is true knowledge of and friendship with the Lord, the friend who sticks closer than a brother. If you choose now to turn away from him, just think of what you'll miss ... not just now, but forever.

Think. Would you shut out your dearest, best, truest friend, who stuck by you, who risked himself for you, who paid for your every debt? If you did, you would be extremely unwise, not to mention ungrateful. The Lord is much more than all these things. You can't really mean what you say. If you are a charitable person, as you say, you must have the light of Christ in you. Don't extinguish it.

Submitted by Hilary (not verified) on Mon, 2010-11-22 18:37.

In order to accept what you say I would have to believe that Jesus was the son of God - and I simply don't. Historical figure, yes; son of God, no.

And one does not have to 'have the light of Christ' in them to do good works. As a humanist I am quite capable of understanding what effect my actions can/ could have on other people and choose whether or not to carry them out. I would not steal a car because I would not want my own car to be stolen - I don't need a law to tell me that! I shop for my elderly friend because I know it helps her out.

I live by the creed "do unto others as you would want them to do unto you". Now that isn't a biblical verse - the nearest is "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." -Matthew 7:12, but it's perfectly possible for a humanist to come to that conclusion without any prompting from God.

Let me tell you a little story. I was at my mother's last week. She's over ninety and has been a Christian for the whole of her life - church every Sunday, prayers every night, believes every word in the Bible etc etc etc. A neighbour came knocking at the door. Could I move my car?- it was where she usually parked by her home (I had been unable to park on my mother's drive earlier as the physio's car was there, visiting). I got up to do just that but my mother said, "Cheek of the woman. She's no more right to that parking place than you have. And she's not very nice. Leave your car where it is." I replied, "It doesn't hurt me to move it, it helps her out and I usually park on your drive". 5 minutes later I was back - mission accomplished, my mother still muttering.

So which of us was right - the church-going believer or the humanist?

Submitted by Rebecca (not verified) on Fri, 2011-01-07 22:32.

Being a Christian doesn’t make you perfect. And being a humanist doesn’t save you. You're entitled to your beliefs just as everyone else is. But by what means do you plan to defend yourself before God? You tried your best? You did this and that and all these great things? The reason we need Jesus is because we have NO defense for our WRONG doings. It's great to help others, but we have all also hurt others and you can't deny this. We're all imperfect and will one day have to face the judgment of a perfect God. He can't stand to look at us without the blood of Jesus - a perfect atonement and sacrifice for all the wrongs we cannot excuse ourselves. This was an amazing gift given out of the purest love. I'm sorry that you have decided that Jesus was not the son of God. However, all the evidence, including prophecy, says that He is. This isn't truly a matter of who was right in this particular instance. Although if it makes you feel better - yes, you did the right thing in that situation when your mother did not. It's really about the fact that in the big scheme of life, we're all wrong at some point and in need of help and salvation; and this includes someone created to be as wonderful as you are.

Submitted by J.C. (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-16 11:17.

Once you've decided that you're the ultimate power and authority on what's wrong and right, anything that suits you becomes perfectly acceptable. Therefore, if you decide that you would like to steal a car that belongs to an old lady because you think you need it more than she does, that becomes a moral decision for you. But guess what? The same person who would steal the car from an old lady would not like to have a car stolen from him. So underneath all the pretense, a thief really knows what God's law is and wants to benefit from it by having others obey, but he wants to be free to disobey. Thieves don't like to be stolen from. Likewise, evolutionists want to benefit from others who obey God but they want to be free to trample on his laws themselves.

Submitted by Miracles God (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-16 15:49.

Yes, science can often determine how things work according to natural laws, but can never determine the origin of those laws. Even Darwin spoke of a 'Creator' and 'designed laws'. To see what Darwin and other leading scientists said about precise evidence of design, and why many reject God anyway, see <a href="http://www.miraclesormagic.com/intelligent-design-vs-evolution.html" title="http://www.miraclesormagic.com/intelligent-design-vs-evolution.html">http://www.miraclesormagic.com/intelligent-design-vs-evolution.html</a>.

Submitted by Still Breathing (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-17 11:44.

“The aversion for the truth exists in differing degrees, but it may be said that it exists in everyone to some degree, because it is inseparable from self-love…” -- Blaise Pascal, prominent seventeenth century scientist and philosopher.

Allow me to pose this true/false question to all of you:
__T __F 'Personal self-serving Agenda (motives, drives, desires) take precedence over Truth.'

Taken from 'The Code' at <a href="http://www.ClaritySPOT.com" title="http://www.ClaritySPOT.com">http://www.ClaritySPOT.com</a> .

Eternal regards.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-29 01:09.

i agree with you sir so i reply with this:

it maybe okay to have a mob beat down on a man who can not defend himself against their flames. way to go to show them how the christian faith works. to everyone his own even if he does consider the possibility, and the key word here is possibility, that god does not exist. Perhaps god does not exist in a world that is lacking in the love or respect for a man's own opinion. so what if he feels that there is no god? maybe some incident gave him the notion. help the man see clearly and enlighten him please. has he not mentioned that there is a possibility that god doesn't exist. its clearly saying, if you read between the lines, "i'll say that there is no god until someone show me proof that there is." flaming him regarding his claims bravo everyone show them that we hang and burn non-believers at the stake. i commend you for the shallowness of your faith and pray god has better opinions of you.

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