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I could grab more illogical and ravingly pathological statements if you like? Or, you could read over all your previous replies AS WELL AS the posts by others. You make yourself appear like a frothing at the mouth crazy person with some of your statements like the one previously stated.

Maybe clarification on what you are asking for would be helpful. Because I have shown you the post where you made threats of assault as referenced by Michal (I hope I spelled that right?)

Or did you mean that you would go out and buy them a breast-pump, bottles, and a nursing cover? No false witness. I could easily take a statement like that to the police and they would take it seriously enough to come and speak to you.

Nice dodge, and you could, but they wouldn't. Reply to my request.

Yeah, actually they would come talk to you over here where I live. You see HERE I could go topless to breastfeed if I so desired and it is legally protected. They take that sort of thing pretty seriously in the Patchouli soaked NW.

I already did. You said you would "make it a point to ensure it doesn't happen again." That sounds like a threat to me.

I don't think he can manage more than tit for tat. Or maybe not even that.

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My issue with this whole discussion is the insistence that women must use a cover, go to an isolated place, or pump and give bottles. Do I think it is appropriate to pull out your entire breast in public to breast-feed? No. It is unnecessary to do that when you can just wear appropriate clothing to breast-feed in. You make yourself look like an idiot when you do that. I do know 1-2 women that do that. Instead of chastising them, I make a point of breast-feeding in front of them in an appropriate manner so they can see how to do it. This method has actually worked quite well. They see how I can quickly and discreetly latch/unlatch without showing skin and I don't have to say a word. Many, many women don't know how to do it because they have never seen anyone do it.

There is a severe backlash against the negative treatment of breast-feeding women. This is causing the issue to be spearheaded by feminists that purposefully show as much skin as possible when they breast-feed. If instead of attempting to isolate, and embarrass breast-feeding women we actually showed them by example how to breast-feed in public appropriately we would not have idiotic things like "nurse ins." This attitude that women must cover, pump, or go into isolation to nurse, forces the women like myself that appropriately breast-feed into choosing a side. And if I have to choose a side, it will always be to encourage breast-feeding over isolating all mothers, encouraging pumping/bottles or forcing them to use ineffective covers.

Let me put it this way, I have seen public nursing the world over and this far have not seen these women's breasts; however, if the day comes some feminist decides to flaunt her junk to the world for some stupid reason, I will make it a point to ensure it doesn't happen a second time.

But I get it, this is your chosen personal plight. You could have chosen disease research, child abuse, abortion or anything else, but public nudity to feel like a strong woman was your choice.

Neither, now respond to my request. What you are attempting to reply to is not what I asked about.

So my post wasn't wrong, but you felt the need to argue with me when I posted it pages and pages ago? You went so far as to question my intelligence and ability to be a parent because I can't pump enough milk for an outing, I can't pump both breasts without lifting or removing my shirt, or without looking i.e using a cover....the list goes on and on. I would logically explain why requiring a woman to pump enough milk for every outing isn't the solution, you would tell me I was incompetent. I would explain that pumping both breasts without looking is difficult, you would question my intelligence. I would explain how difficult it is to keep a cover on a child that is pulling it, you would again insult my intelligence. I have been more than patient in my responses for pages to you. I can only be led to believe that no amount of logic will change your mind because there is a fundamental issue with you where you find the idea of a woman ever breastfeeding in anything short of a burqa is offensive. If that is where you are, then there is no room for discussion. You have been shown photos of women discreetly breastfeeding without a cover. But you insist that a woman has to use a cover. You have seen a photo of a woman *not* using a cover while speaking to a Pope and thought it was fine. But then a couple posts later you are frothing over women not using a cover. You just don't have any sort of train of cohesive logic in this thread whatsoever outside of the belief that you are absolutely RIGHT and everyone else is wrong, even when you contradict yourself.

You see, if someone asked me to clarify a question I asked so they could answer, I would clarify so I could actually get an answer. I guess your train of logic believes that your intellect is far too superior to actually stoop so low as to clarify the point you are attempting to make. It seems to me that asking you to make your question clearer is the very opposite of refusing to answer a question.

For the record, since this thread began and at every opportunity which presented itself, I have asked women if they would expose their breasts to the world to feed and not one person has said yes. Every one of them said they would do it out of sight or use a blanket. Their statements were usually followed by a twisted look as if wondering if it were a serious question. Additionally, no man said he would allow it either. Keep in mind I have been doing a lot of traveling lately and meeting all sorts of folks from all over the place.

Asked another today. She doesnt agree with you folks either. I wonder just how many I will have to ask before I actually find one person who says they would present their breasts to the public without reservation. Hundreds is my guess.

I have even asked total strangers just to ensure I am not getting a friendship influenced answer. Still, not one person disagrees with me. Interesting.

You see, if someone asked me to clarify a question I asked so they could answer, I would clarify so I could actually get an answer. I guess your train of logic believes that your intellect is far too superior to actually stoop so low as to clarify the point you are attempting to make. It seems to me that asking you to make your question clearer is the very opposite of refusing to answer a question.

Passing false witness again I see. You cant seem to help yourself. BTW - I did clarify. Pay attention.

But that's ok. You keep trying to show what you failed to show when you thought you were answering my request. Even going down that path you failed, yet again. I just went through and read this thread again and between us, yours was the train wreck of logic. All I saw were a bunch of excuses and false accusations. Good on you.

OK, where is your clarified question? The COC quote wasn't a question. The comment about asking strangers wasn't a question. The triumphant declaration that you have better reading skills wasn't a question. The declaration that I am bearing false witness isn't a question. This is how it looks to me:

Kerdy: Answer my questionMe: What question?Kerdy: Still refusing to answer my question.Me: What question?Kerdy: I am brilliant, you are an idiot, answer my question.Me: What question?Kerdy: You are proving how evil you are by not answering my question and bearing false witness.Me: What question? Where is this question?Kerdy: I am obviously superior, you are proving me right by refusing to answer my question.Me: WHAT IS THE QUESTION?

Seriously, does anyone have any clue what the heck he is talking about? Where is this question? The last question I saw that he asked was where he threatened or fantisized about violence. I showed the quote that statement by Michal came from. What the heck is he talking about?

What would cause a child's safety to be at risk, someone with a smartphone documenting your wife's indiscreet nakedness or it's idiotic father starting a fight right next to the child and getting the crap beaten out of him for starting the fight and the child realizing its dad is a punk, being scarred the rest of its life with the possibly the immature fathers fight spills into the mothers lap getting the entire family injured?

Let me put it this way, I have seen public nursing the world over and this far have not seen these women's breasts; however, if the day comes some feminist decides to flaunt her junk to the world for some stupid reason, I will make it a point to ensure it doesn't happen a second time.

But I get it, this is your chosen personal plight. You could have chosen disease research, child abuse, abortion or anything else, but public nudity to feel like a strong woman was your choice.

The first question was obviously rhetorical. You have yet to explain how exactly you would prevent a woman from every breastfeeding in a manner you consider indiscreet.

Let me put it this way, I have seen public nursing the world over and this far have not seen these women's breasts; however, if the day comes some feminist decides to flaunt her junk to the world for some stupid reason, I will make it a point to ensure it doesn't happen a second time.

How do you plan to ensure that, exactly? Are you gonna off her? Take away her birthday? Anyway, I can't speak for other women, but if some guy came up to me while I was nursing in public and made some dumbass comments about "ensuring" that I never do it again, my husband would flip out.

So how exactly would you prevent a woman from ever breastfeeding in a manner you consider indiscreet again? You seem positive that whatever it is that you would do would prevent her from ever doing it again. Because this wasn't an answer:

How? Effectively. Your husband should flip out, hopefully to the point he would grow a spine and refuse to allow his wife to expose herself in public. Unless, of course, you do what you said you do. Then I wouldn't bother you.

So when you refuse to answer a question it is because the other person is making excuses. And when you refuse to actually state what the question you are demanding be answered is, and the person doesn't read your mind to answer, they are purposely avoiding answering? Is that how this works?

It makes no difference what the law makers said. They also said an odd ball in California has the legal right to renovate a woman's home with her inside, against her wishes, nude.

I have asked twice, and been ignored both times. Third time's a charm?

It was on the news. I'm sure you can find it. Try Google.

I have. There's nothing. Zilch. Nada. Not a single news report, blog or forum post. Considering the enormity of such an event, one would expect it to be everywhere. But nope.

Given that nothing posted on the internet ever goes away, I'm inclined to believe that you just made it up to support your opinion. Didn't your mama teach you that fibbing is a sin?

Well, I suppose navigating the Internet is at least as difficult as holding a blanket.

Then you shouldn't have any trouble providing some evidence.

Why should I do your work for you? Unless you can't.

Providing proof to back your claims is your work.

On the other hand, it's extremely hard to find what isn't there.

At least as difficult as covering your nudity in public, right? Your inability to navigate the Internet isn't my problem. Find it yourself. I'm in a foreign country on my cell phone and had no issues. What's your excuse?

Your inability to back your claims can create problems with your credibility.

Alternatively, you can man up and admit to deception. Being flustered at my persistent incomprehension could even count as extenuating circumstances.

Wow, really? I answered, you just didn't like the answer. But for some reason you think that denying the fact that I answered means I didn't answer. You know, when I was a kid we used to pretend we were invisible by closing our eyes;

"I'm invisible! I can't see you, so you can't see me!"

I grew up and realized there is more involved in visibility than just my perspective. Good luck with you issues Kerdy. I hope you never have a daughter or daughter-in-law that desires to breastfeed very much. Because an attitude like yours would severely wound them, or possibly end up with you being kicked out of the life of your grandchildren.

I grew up and realized there is more involved in visibility than just my perspective. Good luck with you issues Kerdy. I hope you never have a daughter or daughter-in-law that desires to breastfeed very much. Because an attitude like yours would severely wound them, or possibly end up with you being kicked out of the life of your grandchildren.

I'm left wondering how he managed with his wife.

That said, I do know that there is a problem with some who interrupt the privacy of some woman off in the corner/other room nursing, oblivious to that fact.

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Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

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What? No public stoning for lewd and lascivious behavior? That's simply not Christian.

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Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

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do they let the husband do the honors?

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Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

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do they let the husband do the honors?

Husbands are rarer today.

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Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

Viking

do they let the husband do the honors?

Husbands are rarer today.

yeah, the promotion of the idea that children don't need fathers (except for pockets to mine) has cut down on the rush to the altar.

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Well without having read all the back and forth in the previous 16 pages, allow me to throw in my two cents:

My wife has breastfed all 5 of my children. I also fully support a mother's right to feed their child in public. HOWEVER....I don't think it is an unreasonable request to practice just a bit of discretion when doing so. I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

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I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

I don't see why that is unconfortable.

(seen one breastfeeding women today, one last weekend - in a church...

I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

I don't see why that is unconfortable.

(seen one breastfeeding women today, one last weekend - in a church...

Seeing another woman's fully exposed breasts is something I try to avoid. I'm talking fully exposed since the baby was not attached. When trying to practice custody of the eyes it doesn't help to be presented with bare-chested women. Again....just a little discretion. That's not a lot to ask for. I would also think a woman might be somewhat uncomfortable showing a strange man her breasts as well.

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I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

I don't see why that is unconfortable.

(seen one breastfeeding women today, one last weekend - in a church...

Different cultural norms.

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Here in North Carolina breast feeding moms are protected by law. Get in a moms face here in this state while she is feeding her kid and you might find that you will have the crap sued out of you Kerdy. Go get a life.

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Incorrect, but thanks for the valiant attempt to be included in the thread. Additionally, thanks, like almost everyone else here, for completely missing the entire point.

Well without having read all the back and forth in the previous 16 pages, allow me to throw in my two cents:

My wife has breastfed all 5 of my children. I also fully support a mother's right to feed their child in public. HOWEVER....I don't think it is an unreasonable request to practice just a bit of discretion when doing so. I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

I once came upon a woman in a foyer of a church, seated on the floor with her breast fully exposed. No blanket, no nothing. She just happened to be in my path and it made for a somewhat uncomfortable situation. I don't see why that is necessary.

Seeing another woman's fully exposed breasts is something I try to avoid. I'm talking fully exposed since the baby was not attached. When trying to practice custody of the eyes it doesn't help to be presented with bare-chested women. Again....just a little discretion. That's not a lot to ask for.

It isn't, but you would think we were asking them to shut up and make breakfast barefoot.

Besides, why are you looking at her bare breasts, you pervert. (Sarcasm)

Haven't you heard, there is no fully exposed nipple at any time during nursing. (More sarcasm)

I would also think a woman might be somewhat uncomfortable showing a strange man her breasts as well.

Not in todays world. There is no shame or decency any longer. They don't care about anyone else, just themselves. Not just in this matter, but in pretty much everything. Its a societal sickness. They want you to give into their wants and bend over backward, yet they give nothing and continue to demand more. Then they pretend, we who ask for women to be ladies, have something wrong with us. Its pathetic really.

or possibly end up with you being kicked out of the life of your grandchildren.

That wouldn't be a bad idea. Not bad at all.

Until you clarify your false witness against me, you probably shouldn't post anything. You can continue to attempt to ignore it, but I will allow it to go away until addressed. Even if it is nothing more than, "I was wrong."

Seeing another woman's fully exposed breasts is something I try to avoid. I'm talking fully exposed since the baby was not attached. When trying to practice custody of the eyes it doesn't help to be presented with bare-chested women. Again....just a little discretion. That's not a lot to ask for.

It isn't, but you would think we were asking them to shut up and make breakfast barefoot.

Besides, why are you looking at her bare breasts, you pervert. (Sarcasm)

I would also think a woman might be somewhat uncomfortable showing a strange man her breasts as well.

Not in todays world. There is no shame or decency any longer. They don't care about anyone else, just themselves. Not just in this matter, but in pretty much everything. Its a societal sickness. They want you to give into their wants and bend over backward, yet they give nothing and continue to demand more. Then they pretend, we who ask for women to be ladies, have something wrong with us. Its pathetic really.

Who are "they?"

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

Seeing another woman's fully exposed breasts is something I try to avoid. I'm talking fully exposed since the baby was not attached. When trying to practice custody of the eyes it doesn't help to be presented with bare-chested women. Again....just a little discretion. That's not a lot to ask for.

It isn't, but you would think we were asking them to shut up and make breakfast barefoot.

Besides, why are you looking at her bare breasts, you pervert. (Sarcasm)

I would also think a woman might be somewhat uncomfortable showing a strange man her breasts as well.

Not in todays world. There is no shame or decency any longer. They don't care about anyone else, just themselves. Not just in this matter, but in pretty much everything. Its a societal sickness. They want you to give into their wants and bend over backward, yet they give nothing and continue to demand more. Then they pretend, we who ask for women to be ladies, have something wrong with us. Its pathetic really.