And in turn Christians respectfully but emphatically disagree that the sort of thing you describe is a fundamental driver of the universe. A doctrine of karma may be an approximation to truth, but isn’t an ultimate fundamental truth which is revealed by a triune God in the Judeo-Christian bible. This disagreement has serious consequences, for one the Eastern religions’ insistence that Jesus Christ could not break “karma” by shouldering the load of sin voluntarily.

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posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:42 AM PST
by HiTech RedNeck
(How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)

Really feel bad for the Hobby Lobby company. They are a great store. This is beyond disgraceful to have the Obama government positioning their power into a business while violating individuals religious freedoms. This unlawfulness will not continue much longer by those just turning away. This is a dictator rule, no doubt. Everywhere I go, I often overhear people saying the same. And, now we have state’s governors, state attorney generals debating whether or not to oppose the new mandates for the health care law. Maybe wise to just refuse to implement/set up your own in your state, governors. Been praying Gov. Scott would hold firm. Now, I hear some republicans in the Florida state legislature are rethinking their positions as well. When things collapse, the dems are finished forever.

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posted on 11/20/2012 12:45:42 AM PST
by Christie at the beach
(I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)

that was the full intent muslims are exempt as Sharia Law is to be installed.

Oddly enough the Amish are exempt too. The Amish do not believe in medical insurance the people of the district help pay the medical bills. Oddly enough also lay people deal with the simples medical aspects and only whenm it is beyond the expertise of the lay people is a referral made to a physician nurse practitioner.

What state is making that the christians whom share in Medi-Share can no longer participate because it is not insurance.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.

I don’t understand why Hobby Lobby and all other businesses don’t appeal the “tax” because, as Thomas Sowell pointed out, it violates Equal Protection. Obama is free to exempt whatever businesses he chooses from complying (think his supporters) and that would create an unfair business advantage. Seems very straightforward.

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posted on 11/20/2012 4:29:31 AM PST
by Heartland Mom
("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)

Darden isn’t cutting hours for managers and executives, for whom it will offer an Obamacare-compliant health plan. Hobby Lobby will have to figure out how to staffing professional jobs part time from CEO on down, or will have to hike compensation by $30k per person to finance professionals to buy family private health insurance on an after tax basis ... all of which plans will have to comply with Obamacare anyway.

God gave us an absolute natural right to the free exercise of religion.

The First Amendment made that natural right a legal right, one that gives Hobby Lobby’s owners an absolute legal right to refuse to comply with this evil ruling. [Note: I personally would not have a problem with covering the morning after pill for my employees, but I consider attempting to force others to violate their religious beliefs to be an abhorrent act of pure evil.]

The Second Amendment made that legal and natural right meaningful in a very practical sense. If this most recent overreach leads to a second civil war, I will not side with evil.

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posted on 11/20/2012 6:14:41 AM PST
by Pollster1
(Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)

“begin seizing the Homes of Federal Employees, starting with all Federal Employees classified as Public Servants and use the proceeds to pay for the Requirements imposed on their citizens by Obamacare.”

I like it. Now that’s thinking outside the box by using fascism against the fascists.

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posted on 11/20/2012 6:30:09 AM PST
by sergeantdave
(The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)

What exactly is the free exercise of religion and do you get to have a conscience to do it?

The problem here is that our judges assume the state from the beginning. In assuming the state they then come to a conclusion. In America it is the reverse. We accept the individual as sovereign and it is the state that must make the case - beyond a reasonable doubt.

I don’t think it’s extreme, and since Hobby Lobby couldn’t cite any existing precedent, it probably means that there isn’t one. The closest recent ruling that might be applicable is Citizens United, but that dealt with speech not exercise of religion.

So iow the court here punted under the auspices of there not being a precedent to go from. This is going to the Supreme Court, (regardless) where Citizens United can be seen as a good indicator of where the majority will rule.

They need to start closing their excess stores after Christmas . Only keep their most productive stores and only hire women that past child bearing age that have no need of abortion pills to work in them .

I for one would NOT hire any woman of child bearing age under these guidelines because I have no intentions of paying for their abilities to abort . Liberals can’t force this on us unless we agree to it . Start handing out the pink slips and don’t feel the least bit bad about it .

Then when prepared, refuse to pay the fine, OR offer morning after pill. Force the Kenyan to send federal marshalls to physically close the stores. Put huge signs out front of each closed store, Closed by Order of Obama.

The Ba$tard does not want the fight. He desperately wants threats to force compliance. If that fails, then he must act and look like he dictator he is. He does not want the bad optics, and we can force it upon him.

"A bluff taken seriously is more useful than a serious threat interpreted as a bluff." - Henry Kissinger

No matter what, we need to toss our chips in and call the Kenyan's bet ... and raise it. See what happens.

If I was the sheriff in the community, I'd arrest the Federal Marshals if they did that.

Any illusion that the legal system of the United States is capable of producing justice should be, by now, gone. Row v. Wade and legislation based on this has pervaded the system to the point that it is impossible to separate areas of law worth obeying from areas of law where we simply try not to get caught. We are free, in my opinion, from moral culpability should we disobey any law whatsoever, simply because it is on the books. Let the principles of universal justice be instead our guide. Where the law of the land coincides with it, good, but the law itself has lost its authority in all areas of life.

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