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Yea true Old Maous aren't as stong as Serzerch but God from Bible could be kindy cool plus want to know how strong that really was guy. From story point of view his power the measuring standard for power

Kinda offtopic how will they devide and conquer the cristian faction? Put a traitor seems unlikely, revive god and maou using ophis stolen power maybe though the revive maou are no match for the new maou, kill the heart of the faction "issei" possible coz he is the hero of underworld and both angel, fallen angel and devil has respect on him, brainwash issei possible but difficult ._.

Edit: tarnish issei reputation seem possible but how?

Your right I can't see using Issei as the dividing point. But how do we know reviving the old Maous is impossible?

If they could revive the old leaders, the ones responsible for the war in the first place then they could do it. The theory being that they would be able to retake leadership and then start swinging at each other again. A few characters, such as Mephisto Pheles, have made it abundantly clear that they were not fans of the old leaders on both sides. Mostly because they dragged them into a stupid war. The Fallen Angels rebelled against God in the first place because they thought he was a pompous ass, and his rules sucked.

Reviving the evil dragons, gives them a weapon, albiet one that seems just as likely to blow up in your face as anything else. They could be a dry run however, an experiment to see if they got the techniques down correctly. And hey if they get a few weapons they can unleash to cause havoc, all the better.

Of course Issei would be in a position to stop it, that would be the point wouldn't it? Create situations for him to be able to save the day, he is the Hero after all. Peace through Oppai!

Your right I can't see using Issei as the dividing point. But how do we know reviving the old Maous is impossible?

If they could revive the old leaders, the ones responsible for the war in the first place then they could do it. The theory being that they would be able to retake leadership and then start swinging at each other again. A few characters, such as Mephisto Pheles, have made it abundantly clear that they were not fans of the old leaders on both sides. Mostly because they dragged them into a stupid war. The Fallen Angels rebelled against God in the first place because they thought he was a pompous ass, and his rules sucked.

Reviving the evil dragons, gives them a weapon, albiet one that seems just as likely to blow up in your face as anything else. They could be a dry run however, an experiment to see if they got the techniques down correctly. And hey if they get a few weapons they can unleash to cause havoc, all the better.

Of course Issei would be in a position to stop it, that would be the point wouldn't it? Create situations for him to be able to save the day, he is the Hero after all. Peace through Oppai!

true but you if you notice the ln states that current maou stronger "sirzech and ajuka" both them are also charismatic and there both super devil in true form while the revived maou is bit weaker even there are given ophis stolen power.

Though I can say about revive god ._. I wil they revived him and they would control him, in any cased if they revive god I think god wouldn't argue about the peace of the cristian faction imo

Personally, to revive a God, they would probably need to use up, most of the Ophis power that they have stolen.

If the god that they would try to revive, would be the God of the Bible, they would also

- need to destroy the True Longinus, since it contains the "will" of the God of the Bible

- need to do something to disable the praying system, installed in the church, since it could provide complications / prevent the resurrection of the God in the bible.

Since, I don't see Indra, willingly giving the True Longinus to the Khaos Brigade, just so thy could destroy it... I think that revival of the God of the Bible, has a pretty low chance of occurring, in this novel...

@rickiminato

I think that sort of question belongs to the anime / novel comparison thread, not the current one ... but to answer it ... the armor wasn't that bad ... and it could definitely look worse...

even if they where to revive god and the old Lucifer if u recall when Sirzechs
revealed his true form in front of Hades Azazel thought this(Are you telling me that insane quantity of power of destruction compressed itself into
the form of a human……? But the quantity of aura I can feel with my skin……! From the
amount of aura I can feel right now……. Isn’t it ten times more than that of the former Lucifer!?) While God would easily be able to retake heaven the new devils would have no part of the old Lucifer

Well, recently I started wondering, what kind of powers Ise might obtain, from Great Red and Ophis...

I know that it's probably too early to bring this up but, I still want to discuss, with someone, my thoughts on this matter...

Great Red's powers, due to him being considered as the "dream dragon", are probably going to grant Ise the ability to create material clones of himself, which will only reveal therir true nature, after they are "defeated".

Ise, naturally will be capable of executing attacks using the clones, but the number of commands that he will be capable of issuing, is going to be limited.

Of course, the downside of this ability , is the fact that Ise's power that he had, before he imitated this power, would need to be equally spread among his clones, but that might be resolved ... if Ise boosts his powers before or when he using this "ability".

Naturally, another weak point of this ability, would be that some magic abilities would be capable of neutralizing the clones or realizing which clone is the real Ise, which makes this ability better against physical based enemies, rather then someone who has a good orientation in "magic".

The numbers of "clones" would also be determined by the amount of magical power that Ise had, and Ise won't be capable of reinforcing them, easily ... due to the large consumption of magical power ... that this "ability" would require...

I know that it sounds like a technique, from a certain other manga, but there is nothing else that I could think about, which could use the attribute of "dream" that Great Red has...

Not to mention, I think that Ise has more then enough, "offensive type abilities" and it would be a good thing for him to gain a few "defensive ones".

Which leaves me with the power that I think Ise is going to gain from Ophis, which I think is going to be ... the ability to absorb / reflect magical attacks, due to Ophis being the "Infinite Dragon"...

Of course, this technique will be useless when it comes to physical attacks, but since Ise is better at close range combat, it would be a good tactic to force his enemy into a situation where Ise is going to have a superiority.

Naturally, Ophis power and Great Red's power can't be used simultaneously... due, to the same reasoning as Ddraig's and Albion's powers.

This is of course, speculation at this point, but I think that powers like that would fit Ise's combat style and the rest of the abilities that he has / going to have, so I can't say that it's impossible for Ise to acquire something like that.

And before you say that those two "abilities" are pretty overpowered, both Ophis and Great Red are known (or have been known) as the two strongest beings in the DxD universe ... so, it's pretty reasonable to speculate that the "abilities" that Ise could obtain from them, would be pretty powerful as well...

Your theory about Orphis power seem legit and interesting , but , about Great red one ,why clone though ? i mean he is the power of dreams .. couldnt it be something like he get increase of power each time someone dreams about him ? like what happened in volume 12 when Issei died and told the children he would come back ? .

On another hand clone sound pretty cool tho but yeah i believe it would have a downside like you said

Your theory about Orphis power seem legit and interesting , but , about Great red one ,why clone though ? i mean he is the power of dreams .. couldnt it be something like he get increase of power each time someone dreams about him ? like what happened in volume 12 when Issei died and told the children he would come back ? .

On another hand clone sound pretty cool tho but yeah i believe it would have a downside like you said

Because, something like what you described, would be ... pretty much a duplication of Ise's Boosted Gear powers, I think that the author has provided Ise with the body made from the flesh of Great Red and Ophis powers, to provide Ise with more variety when it comes to his abilities, rather then duplicate his current ones.

And, so far ... clones or some kind of illusionary skills, are the only things that came to my mind, when it comes to something associated with "dreams" ...

Because, something like what you described, would be ... pretty much a duplication of Ise's Boosted Gear powers, I think that the author has provided Ise with the body made from the flesh of Great Red and Ophis powers, to provide Ise with more variety when it comes to his abilities, rather then duplicate his current ones.

And, so far ... clones or some kind of illusionary skills, are the only things that came to my mind, when it comes to something associated with "dreams" ...

well yeah i know , i was just giving a example tho since it dreams power , but i see i got what you saying , but since we talking about isse , his clone would be some girls with big oppai lol

Well.....about Great Red's powers, due to him being considered as the "dream dragon", the one thing that i can think about Issei new powers is that he can get the hability to connect with the dreams of all the kids who trust in him like their hero and take the power of that dreams.

Well.....about Great Red's powers, due to him being considered as the "dream dragon", the one thing that i can think about Issei new powers is that he can get the hability to connect with the dreams of all the kids who trust in him like their hero and take the power of that dreams.

We will see, like I said in my response to Tchadnis, something like that would have quite a lot of similarities to Ise's Boosted Gear, and I don't think that Ise needs to add another way to "increase his power", since that is already covered by his Boosted Gear and, after he "awakens" it's less restrictive form, "Dividing Gear", as well is going to have this function.

In other words ... adding some more variety to his "abilities" so that Ise could have more options to use, in combat... rather then use a single / similar types of "abilities", which can easily be "noticed" by his potential enemy.

After all, not every enemy is going to be so nice as to wait until Ise sufficiently "powers himself up", to defeat his "opponent" ... and I think that the number of opponents who will try to strike Ise down before he reaches a "sufficient level" to defeat them, is going to increase, as Ise becomes more "famous"...

I like Chris's powers but ill like them to be related to Ise triple forms like Bishop can get the absorb and release attack and Knight form get double mirror images.

This way there uses for the three forms so Ise don't always use QCC.

Although that would lessen the effectiveness of those powers, and moments when they can be used.

Personally, I think that's it's something that Ise will be capable of using, regardless of which form of his SG he uses ... after all, it's not like Great Red or Ophis have any "direct" relation with Albion or Ddraig.

And it's not like it's Ise's fault, that his opponents are strong enough that his Trident forms are not powerful enough to take them down.

Although ... I think that might start to change in the future volumes ... after all, sooner or later, there has to come a time, where Ise's CCQ starts becoming more stable, and the only way to achieve that, is to master his three Trident forms ... which, requires Ise to use them .... quite frequently.

Well, if it would be cloning, why not take it a step further and combine it with his Gift ability and allow him to clone his team as well. Just imagine Rias and her peerage suddenly becoming an army of her and her peerage. Though there are 2 ways about how to display the powers of the clones, they could just be flashy attacks and not do any damage but simply be a confusion tactic, or the attacks that land from one or more clones do contain a percentage of the power of the original, and thus will hurt, given Ise's and his fellow team member's overall power levels by the time such a technique is perfected.

following up with clones what if he creates 3 clones 1 becomes knight another rook another bishop while issei himself becomes the Crimson Queen

I think that's something that, will be more then above the "power restrictions", that this move is going to have ...

After all, even if it's a power, that might be inherited by Issei from Great Red, it's still going to have some restrictions, for the simple reason that Ise's "body parameters" are definitely lower then Great Red, and I doubt that he has enough "magical energy" and "stamina" to maintain his three Trident forms and CCQ at the same time.

Not to mention, we don't even know, if it's possible for Ise to maintain a different "piece", at the same time, at the very least it would definitely be something ... pretty irregular.