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As far as I understand the devil is (as ever) in the details, i.e. what kind of connection is there between the hand and the dantien and what other body connections come into play?
Oh well, small chance we'll ever figure it out without doing a show-and-tell, but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

Show and tell *your* abilities and then discuss how you train crossing hands with the real experts. I did. I have a connected body, and I taught others how to as well.

Reading?
All I keep reading in posts and blogs is equal to the baby side of the pool, and even that is missing so much critical information that one wonders why anyone even bothered. I have yet to feel anyone with power from.....reading.
Dan

As far as I understand the devil is (as ever) in the details, i.e. what kind of connection is there between the hand and the dantien and what other body connections come into play?
Oh well, small chance we'll ever figure it out without doing a show-and-tell, but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

Joep,

I think that Harden character has been to the "Nether-Lands" quite a few times already(where were you?). Chances are he will be back...Go for it!!! Just my 2cents. ;0)

Joep
I almost NEVER turn people away.
Hmm.... People who affiliate with certain people who are known as disingenuous trouble makers are not welcome to my seminars. It's not personal...to you.
Like my dad said..."You choose your friends, and others may turn their backs on you because of it, so choose wisely."
I've literally turned my back to real friends of mine for their choices.
Dan

So we can agree there's more to it than "hand and dantien are connected"?

I have asked at least two times to attend one of his seminars and was refused both times, so that's not going to work...

Hi Joep,

Just to make it known. I have no particular favor towards Dan. I have never met him nor have I experienced his system. But to make it fair, I can understand why Dan would not explain himself online..which some people would interpret as him being evasive.

But I think he refuses to engage people online because I believe he HAS explained himself and to the best of his abilities online, and people have downplayed his knowledge based on what he expressed through words. For some people, the language he uses is not satisfactory and does not meet their standards. For this reason, people have dismissed his work as bunk, without even meeting him. So a lot of these "questions" people ask him online, just look likes like a verbal challenge, one that he will not be able to fulfill because people are always finding ways to make him look like he doesn't know anything (based of course on what they know).

But like Dan says, he has met some heavy hitting top "internal" guys in open rooms...you can ask
Dan and some others here who have seen those encounters what they had to say about him. you can ask people from those encounters whether or not Dan really has "internal skill" and what those heavy hitters had to say about him. And if you are truly interested in pursuing skill, then go and see him! Don't try engage him in "verbal" challenge by disingenuously disguising it as a "discussion" where you can pursue the "truth" of internal martial arts.

Unless stated otherwise, all wisdom, follies, harshness, malice that may spring up from my writing are attributable only to me.

Joep
I almost NEVER turn people away.
Hmm.... People who affiliate with certain people who are known as disingenuous trouble makers are not welcome to my seminars. It's not personal...to you.
Like my dad said..."You choose your friends, and others may turn their backs on you because of it, so choose wisely."
I've literally turned my back to real friends of mine for their choices.
Dan

No hard feelings. We discussed this openly and honestly through PMs. Although I regret your decision, I do respect it. Only reason I brought it up was because Chris (Tengu859) deserved a proper reply to his question.

Just to make it known. I have no particular favor towards Dan. I have never met him nor have I experienced his system. But to make it fair, I can understand why Dan would not explain himself online..which some people would interpret as him being evasive.

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<snip>Don't try engage him in "verbal" challenge by disingenuously disguising it as a "discussion" where you can pursue the "truth" of internal martial arts.

Hi Lorel,

I don't fully understand why you addressed the above post to me, especially the last sentence. Sure, I was challenging Dan in my two posts, but he parried those nicely and I have no intention on following it up. So yes I was pushing it a bit, but I also believe I know when to quit, which is what I did.
In any case, thanks for the feedback.

I don't fully understand why you addressed the above post to me, especially the last sentence. Sure, I was challenging Dan in my two posts, but he parried those nicely and I have no intention on following it up. So yes I was pushing it a bit, but I also believe I know when to quit, which is what I did.
In any case, thanks for the feedback.

All the best,
Joep

Joep.

Nothing personal against you; "you" was a theoretical "you".

Best
Lorel

Unless stated otherwise, all wisdom, follies, harshness, malice that may spring up from my writing are attributable only to me.

Hi Lorel
Thanks. No lengthy answer, I'm on a plane. I don't want to interfere too much with all the agendas popping up...
I have taught dantian driven movement for over twenty years.
"The hand doesn't move without the center/ the center doesn't move without the hand" ...is a teaching of Daito ryu. One that Howard and I both learned more than two decades ago. It is a specific teaching with specialized exercises solo and paired to learn how to,....activate...hara (dantian). Thus we find it hilarious to read internet personalities and their followers telling us we don't use dantian.

There is no need to engage these people. As you and many others know, I have crossed hands with the real experts...not bloggers. Maybe its meaningful that the experts...who actually had a lengthy one on one exchange...do not share the same opinions as those who have never laid a hand on me or seen me move.

I'm out. I only popped in because my name came up.
Dan

No doubt. Just wanted to chime in about that because there seem sto be a recurring pattern here

Unless stated otherwise, all wisdom, follies, harshness, malice that may spring up from my writing are attributable only to me.

No hard feelings. We discussed this openly and honestly through PMs. Although I regret your decision, I do respect it. Only reason I brought it up was because Chris (Tengu859) deserved a proper reply to his question.

I honestly don't remember, but I am glad that our communication was open and honest. I have made a few exceptions to those affiliated with a certain person to come and train; all but a few turned out very well. Away from that exception (which turned out to be very wise), I let anyone come.
I hope you are enjoying your training and search.
Dan

No doubt. Just wanted to chime in about that because there seems to be a recurring pattern here

I always appreciate honesty without agenda.
Isn't it strange how agendas somehow allow people to excuse abhorrent behavior and stare truth...right in the face.. and deny everything that doesn't fit the agenda.

In the mean time, I continue to tell people to go train with *everyone* and get what they can for themselves...don't just look to me. I have no agenda that requires me to be above anyone else. Let's just pursue truth. After reading certain people *claiming* that attitude, like a fool, I thought they meant whey write.
Big mistake!!
Dan