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Did anyone else notice the resemblance between Ziggy and the picture on Stinkoman's "Top Exec mug?"
Picture provided. Mug on left, Picture of Ziggy on the right.

To me, the face on Stinkoman's mug doesn't resemble anything except a face. The reason it looks like Ziggy is because Ziggy is extraordinarily simplistic, as is the one on the mug. It is probably coincidence. (If it was supposed to be Ziggy, you'd think they'd at least make him happy-looking...) Perhaps in two or three years, a DVD commentary can confirm or deny this, but I don't think there's enough to go on one way or another currently. --DorianGray 06:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to say that the nose is distinctive enough for a positive identification. — DeFender1031*Talk 15:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd personally say it's not enough. I completely agree with DorianGray in that it's just a very simple drawing of a face. Innocent until proven guilty, not-Ziggy until proven Ziggy. AwkwardFire 02:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to have to restart this conversation, because I'm willing to bet large sums of money that the image on the mug is meant to be Tom Wilson's Ziggy, so please hear me out. DorianGray, if I may be so bold, I suspect the reason you don't see it as Ziggy is a generational issue. I'll explain what I mean. The case for the face being Ziggy isn't merely the resemblance; it's the fact that Ziggy coffee mugs were an extraordinarily common household novelty in the 70's and 80's. They were a staple of offices everywhere too. Given the Brothers Chaps' bent for obscure references to this timeframe - that of their childhood (and mine) - it seems highly unlikely they'd draw something so close to Ziggy without it being deliberate (the nose being most of the face, the frown, the eyes just over where the nose edges curve back in). The fact that you suggest they'd make Ziggy happy if it were meant to be him tells me you're not familiar with the character. Have a look at this classic Ziggy mug:[1]
The mugs (and the comic strip in general) always seemed to portray a down-on-his-luck, can't-get-ahead type everyman, in one-panel comic format. Finding the opportunity to feature such a niche and classic piece of Americana from their boyhood days seems like the exact sort of thing the Chaps would do. I beg you to reconsider reinserting it into the RWR's section, even if only to say it's likely that it's him, rather than definitely is. --69.116.237.147 02:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

You know, I just watched the scene again, and I've gotta agree. I think Stinkoman's supposed to be the stereotypical exec with the Ziggy mug on his deak. — It's dot com 03:54, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

There are strong arguments here that point to this being a Ziggy reference. Should it be added? -132.183.138.250 15:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Could the Crystal Shards be a reference to the Chaos Emeralds from the Sonic games, or is it another Kirby reference? It could also be just a generic parody of those anime involving collecting random objects, but to me, Sonic was the first thing that came to mind. Shadoman 13:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

There are literally HUNDREDS of video games out there where you try to get crystals before a bad guy can. So no. --It's Jay Times!(tines) 17:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Do we want to stick in a generic "they're a reference to the video-game cliche of having to collect stuff" sort of message? --Belthazar 21:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I immediately thought of the Chaos Emeralds. I guess I'm not familiar with other games specifically with colored crystals that must be collected before the bad guy can. If there literally are hundreds, it should be easy to tell me: what else is there? Just a couple examples will do... OptimisticFool 21:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Chrono Cross. Final Fantasy I AND IIIAND IVAND V. Kirby, as previously mentioned. Mario RPGs tend to use stars instead of crystals, but the idea is there — indeed, the first Mario RPG included a boss who used the elemental crystals as an homage to Final Fantasy. Seriously, this is a long-running cliche. --It's Jay Times!(tines) 21:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Heck, it just occurred to me that one Mario RPG has you collect crystal stars. --It's Jay Times!(tines) 21:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I realize there are other games with crystals (and Orbs in the case of the original release of Final Fantasy I), but the bright coloring is what I wonder about. Final Fantasy games don't have it. I know nothing about Kirby and Chrono Cross. OptimisticFool 21:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Chrono Cross absolutely does; the six colors of the crystals have major gameplay/plot significance. And Final Fantasy sometimes does color them, though not always. --It's Jay Times!(tines) 21:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and did I neglect to mention The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time? (Though as far as I can recall, that's the only Zelda where you collect crystals per se, the entire series lives and breathes the plot coupon trope.) --It's Jay Times!(tines) 21:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you collect crystals in Link to the Past. You collect jewels and medallions in Ocarina of Time. -YK 23:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I suppose you do collect crystals in LttP - forgot that - but are jewels not crystals? --It's Jay Times!(tines) 00:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

"Kokiri Emerald", "Goron Ruby", and "Zora Sapphire"... I guess technically they could be counted as "crystals"... I just tend to think of crystals as the kind from Final Fantasy and whatnot. -YK 03:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Being a lifelong fan of Sonic, I can say that it likely WOULD be a reference if anyone had mentioned seven shards. The fact that the protagonist got the green one first is practically a rule, even in the third-gen games. The thing that, however, makes this UNLIKELY is that in the Pulse Interview, Matt claims he is "A Nintendo man, all the way through.". Though Sega cartridges (Sega Tapes) appear in the Toons, their appearance is not as prominent as Nintendo's, so it is likely that it may be a reference to the "Item Collection Platformers" that Nintendo manufactures. -HRWiki Greg (Not logged in)

It's not a game, but Inyuyasha involves collecting jewel shards. I'm surprised no one mentioned that show yet. BBG 01:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the point has been made! Crystals aren't unique to Kirby. We can stop bringing up references, now. =) --Belthazar 03:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with what was said above. Maybe we could just say, "Stinkoman and the Challenge of the Crystal Shards is likely a parody of anime and video game series involving characters searching for objects." Shadoman 11:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like the type of thing people can figure out themselves though. BBG 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Aren't Crystal Shards MacGuffins in anime and video games? If so, doesn't that make them TTATOT? – TheChort 21:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

My girlfriend laughed and at the end said that she loved how it referenced Inu Yasha with the search for the Crystal Shards. There could be a connection there, as Inu Yasha is pretty popular right now. --Specter 15:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

While I realize that Kirby is a great series, I believe these two Real-World References are stretching it a bit too far:

Pan Pan sucking up Stinkoman and 1-Up is likely a reference to the Kirby series of video games, where Kirby was able to suck his enemies into his mouth and copy their powers.

Stinkoman and the Challenge of the Crystal Shards may also be an reference to the Nintendo 64 game: Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

I believe they should be deleted, because they both seem very TTATOT. Crystal Shards appear in lots of different games and cartoons, like Sonic the Hedgehog, for instance. And the "Pan Pan sucking them up" thing is likely just a reference to how much he loves to eat. If they had played a sound effect like you hear in the Kirby games, I could agree with this one. Comments before I delete these? --
Nevadie 14:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Pan Pan has never shown this ability before, and he even seems to do a similar pose to Kirby. I don't know about the second one, but I think the first one is a reference. Shadoman 15:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I say we delete the second one.24.207.22.233 15:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I say we delete both of them! I'd say it's more of an inside reference of characters eating each other, like when Sickly Sam ate Strong Bad. The similar pose doesn't convince me, either. It's just too much of a stretch to constitute a reference. Howsabout a compromise? We could say: "Pan Pan's pose while inhaling Stinkoman and 1-up is similar to Kirby's" Or something like that. --
Nevadie 21:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

First off: since WHEN have we known Pan Pan likes to eat? Secondly: In no way has a HR character ever actually sucked up another character. Listen to the Kirbyfan here, peoples. First thing: DEFINITELY a Kirby ref. NeoxONION BUBS! 00:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on the Kirby ref. His mouth also becomes the size of the front of his body, which is distinctly Kirby-like. TsuyoiWarui強悪 02:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's a coincidence that the attack method for a character named Kirby consists of sucking its enemies into its mouth. I suspect that the ultimate reference is to the vacuum cleaner company of the same name. See http://www.kirby.com/Nsayer 21:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

That's one of the theories about the name. But that's not the reference - this isn't the Kirby Wiki. 20X6 lampoons anime and video games in general, and Video Games + Sucking Stuff Up = Kirby. TsuyoiWarui強悪 22:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention that some people think Kirby got his name from the vaccuum cleaner company, a very appropriate decision considering his nature. But Others think Kirby was named after John Kirby, the lawyer who won a lawsuit involving the Donkey Kong arcade game. But Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of Kirby, said he doesn't even remember how Kirby got his name. Who knew being a Kirbyfan would pay off someday? NeoxONION BUBS! 19:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it has some merit to it, what with all the similarities. What if we posted it mentioning the multiple similarities and had a picture like this?

Right after producing a pilgrim hat from nowhere, Stinkoman has his normal hair. But, after cutting to 1-up and then back, he has his Top Exec hair. I'm unsure if this should be a goof or a remark. -20eric06 18:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I see the exec hair both times. — DeFender1031*Talk 19:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Look 'right' under the hat, first time. Then compare with the start of the toon or wherever he has his normal hair. After 1-up gives him the green crystal shard, look again, then compare with the exec hair. -20eric06 19:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Does he appear twice, or did he just remove one of his legs and stick it in the ground (as his way of "giving thanks" somehow..)? If both of his legs appeared attached to him while a separate one was in the ground, then I wouldn't dispute this... but he conveniently pops in partially off-screen. OptimisticFool 21:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

He appears twice. His foot moves when he mumbles, just like Strong Bad's head when his mouth is not visible. - OpusthePenguin 00:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain tha happens before the upper half stinkoman appears on the left side.

Okay, notice how Stinkoman's leg waggles when he talks? Well, Strong Bad's does the same thing after he dives head first into a pile of potatoes in Pet Show. Other instance proven, Dispute resolved! - OpusthePenguin 00:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

no, the leg move and mumble happens BEFORE stinkoman's top half appears on the left side. rather than a duplicate character, it may be more of a space distortion, in which his upper half is somehow able to peek from the side while the bottom half is still buried.

If there is a possibility for it to not be duplicate characters, we can't just assume that it is. Philip8o 19:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

"The title "Stinkoman and the challenge of the Crystal Shards" could also be a play off the recent movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in which Harrison Ford played a history professor trying to obtain the crystal skulls before the Nazis could."

Aside from that being a completely silly contribution, Indiana Jones fought Cold War Russians in that movie, not Nazis.

I agree. This is not even a reference if the Soviets part is fixed. There is nothing else to suggest a link between Stinkoman and Indiana Jones besides their names being similar...BALEETED! --
Nevadie 21:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's a reference to Kirby 64: the Crystal Shards? That's the first thing I thought of... then again, I've got Kirby on the brain right now. - C.Olimar788 22:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

That's under the part above, it's been discussed, and deleted Wise dude321 23:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The name sounds similar, that's all that was supposed to be referenced by this post. I'm new to the site and didn't dabble in the discussion page at the time. About the Nazis thing: Gimmie a break! I only seen it once! -Opus the Penguin

-And by the way, others have posted the same thing since then. 'Tis not silly! I do agree that it is a pretty big stretch, though. -Opus the Penguin

is this the first time 1-up has blushed this much?(if at all) i also thought he looked a little different from previous apperances throughout the entire toon. did anyone else think so?--Shaggy | talk 22:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the first time. I think that's what caused him to look a bit... off throughout the short. I think the rest of his animation is the same. - C.Olimar788 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Blushing ridiculously is a common trope in anime. But since the entire Stinkoman series is meant to be a parody of anime and video games, I think this doesn't really merit a Real-World Reference or otherwise TsuyoiWarui強悪 02:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just crude, but I thought his first blush was after Stinkoman farted, and his second blush was after he farted...
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I thought it was 1-up both times. DrPepper42 12:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

What are those three holes in Pan Pan's stomach? Is that a reference to something real, or just regular 20X6 ridiculousness? Omnisweater 00:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I took it as he's hollow and air filled like Pom Pom and the three holes lead to his arms and head, or something. -128.103.10.17 08:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

If that were the case, 1-up and Stinkoman would have fallen in through the middle hole, and the holes would be directly above them. Pan Pan clearly ate them with his head. Omnisweater 21:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

If this is the case, should the location be changed from Pan Pan's STOMACH to Pan Pan's INSIDES since it appears he does not have a stomach? -Opus the Penguin

It's quite clearly not an epiglottis, though they would have passed it on the way through. See the link I put in the Explanations section, but to summarise, an epiglottis is a flap of cartilage, not an organ they can stand inside. --Belthazar 23:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I think the insignia on Stinko's tractor are meant to resemble those seen on NASCAR and other race cars.

Maybe not NASCAR, but the one in the middle definitely resembles the National Aircraft Insignia; I added it. As for the other shapes, it's unclear whether they are stickers or maybe lights. I don't know where the "CITIZEN" sticker comes from. — DyM 04:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

As someone already posted on the page, the insignia are meant to resemble Kaneda's motorbike from Akira. Note the CITIZEN sticker on both. (Ok, so the image I linked to is a Lego model. It's meant to be an accurate model, though.) --Belthazar 04:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like we've got a few new foods to list... somewhere. I guess Minor Foods would be the place? I've uploaded a screencap of the first item 1-Up holds up, which he only describes as "favorite food". I should probably have gotten the other two items ("Spiced Bun" and "Frozen Bake") while I was at it, but I don't have Greasemonkey installed, nor a flash decompiler, so I just grabbed this one while watching the toon a second time.

I'm really wondering what the label on the box says. It's definitely kanji, but they're so fuzzy that I can't figure out exactly what it says. I tried looking them up in JWPce, but couldn't find much like them. They just look familiar enough to make me think they're actual kanji, and not just random scribbles. And TBC have used kanji before. Maybe I could find them in one of my reference books, but that would require me to find my books first. Any ideas from other Japanese students here? -- LGC&CS 04:54, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I asked a Japanese friend what she thought. She said: "blimey, shooty writing. i cant read the last one O.o second one depending on the last means something else, but this way it says dai. the first one, one of the lines is weird o.O the first one... if that middle line was to the oter side would be kokoro, could also be ji.... i dunno o.o" I asked "Kokoro as in heart?" and she replied "yea, but the other two on the right would have to be a bit dif... or else ji... but it would have to be a bit more turned right..."

I showed her the toon as well, and her comment was "thats the most weird video ive ever seen." Final word: "i dunno what it says, really dont" --Belthazar 05:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I've put out a couple notes to friends myself. We'll see what they think (if anything). --DorianGray 05:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I speak Japanese quite well, and I think that these could mean anything. I'm pretty sure they're just randomly painted lines to give the general 'idea' of kanji. TsuyoiWarui強悪 18:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, my friend got back to me, and she says this:

The middle one says "big" (read "dai") ... but the others don't say anything, as far as I can tell =P They're just squiggles... The one on the left looks like hiragana "ni" or kinda like "kokoro"... The one on the right looks like "watashi," but the right radical would need a few more lines... so yeah, it's gibberish xD

I guess this matter is settled. It's just lines with a Japanese-esque appearance. --DorianGray 22:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

We have a page for Spanish, German, and French .. do we have a page for this type of thing? Seems recurring enough for me... OptimisticFool 04:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I say we delete the reference "Pan-Pan's stomach looks like a brain". It looks like a ball of muscle and acid!

I would say it looks like a generic organ-like thing. Pink and squishy. But the most famous pink and squishy organ with a strange pattern of nudules along the outside, at least in cartoons and games, is the brain. TsuyoiWarui強悪 22:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys think its a reference to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders?

Maybe. Could you please elaborate why it might be a reference? Did a character bury his leg or appear in two places at the same time? – TheChort 21:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

There's several issue where people get buried. One is where Jotaro and the gang see ascetics underground using straws for air in India, another when they find the Stand User Cameo Under the earth in hiding when his stand Judgement attacked them.

That's only a reference if a similar-looking scene appears - e.g. that a character appears buried in the ground with just one leg sticking up. If just being underground was a reference, you could say it refers to Journey to the Center of the Earth. It doesn't, incidentally. --Belthazar 22:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily since Stinkoman is mainly anime references, but I get most of the point.

I think it's a reference to the game Sonic Adventure 2 Battle where in some levels you must collect green crystal shards before another person does. Anyone agree? --76.173.92.70 01:33, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was a reference to that N64 Kirby game. Then again, I've never played it, so I'm not certain. Either way, this has also been mentioned previously in this Talk Page. -- Volbeat A The Cheat 23:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Both, in a way, but the second one is basically incidental to the first. Essentially, the star does resemble the US insignia, but it's only there because it was on Kaneda's motorbike first. See the discussion further up the page. --Belthazar 21:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)