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Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by American

What are you scared of?

Who said I was scared of anything? My point was that this has jack to do with socialism or the free market, or anarcho capitalism for that matter.

Last edited by StillBallin75; 03-26-12 at 01:50 AM.

Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

I hope airports begin to reject every single flight coming out of SFB. The TSA is a necessary nuisance that shouldn't be left up to companies who will employ the Ford model of productivity. The best part is that there are people who believe there is a single security company out there who will take the economic liability involved in a terrorist attack. Whatever they plan on replacing the FAMS with better be ready for the multimillion dollar lawsuit that'll follow if one private employee kills a passenger a-la-Zimmerman.

Last edited by Hatuey; 03-26-12 at 02:48 AM.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by Hatuey

I hope airports begin to reject every single flight coming out of SFB. The TSA is a necessary nuisance that shouldn't be left up to companies who will employ the Ford model of productivity.

I don't really have a problem with state governments contracting out certain jobs in and of itself. Sometimes it makes more economic sense for the government to contract out its work rather than train and hire its own workers. But when it comes to matters of national security and defense matters I'm wary of private contractors.

Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by StillBallin75

I don't really have a problem with state governments contracting out certain jobs in and of itself. Sometimes it makes more economic sense for the government to contract out its work rather than train and hire its own workers. But when it comes to matters of national security and defense matters I'm wary of private contractors.

That's my problem with it. The TSA is there because private companies don't have the interest of customers and clients in mind. They have the interest of shareholders(unless it's Apple) and board members. I trust my government to watch my ass on a plane far more than I do some private employee who is there for the pay check.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by Hatuey

That's my problem with it. The TSA is there because private companies don't have the interest of customers and clients in mind. They have the interest of shareholders(unless it's Apple) and board members. I trust my government to watch my ass on a plane far more than I do some private employee who is there for the pay check.

Well to be fair, the federal TSA employee is also there for the pay check in all likelihood.

Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by StillBallin75

Well to be fair, the federal TSA employee is also there for the pay check in all likelihood.

Are we still talking about the FAMS? Cause as somebody who flies regularly and knows quite a few of them(one of them in my own family), I disagree. It takes a special kind of person to go into the FAMS. They don't get the glamour of the military or even the recognition cops and firefighters do but they do a job that is incredibly valuable. People in those fields make the same sacrifices cops, soldiers and firefighters make and yet it's not recognized at all. I'm not saying they're selfless people but I'd take one of them over 10 private employees who got hired with this line: "possibility of advancement".

Last edited by Hatuey; 03-26-12 at 03:13 AM.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Are we still talking about the FAMS? Cause as somebody who flies regularly and knows quite a few of them(one of them in my own family), I disagree.

No, I'm talking just regular TSA screeners and security personnel.

Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.

Re: TSA To Get The Boot - Free Market Beats Central Government Control

Originally Posted by Hatuey

FAMS are security personnel.

I'm not referring to Marshals specifically, just the guys who run the x-ray machines and watch the monitors and swipe you with the metal detectors whatnot. Most of them IMHO are there for a check, not necessarily because they are more patriotic or dedicated to national security than the average private contractor.

Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.