If (God forbid) SB249 becomes law, what impact does it have to registered "assault weapons" in the state? Is someone going to some looking for my two AR's?

Second, in all sincerity, it it passes, how do those who own bullet-buttoned guns legally retain them in this state in ANY sort of condition? Would plugging the gas tube be enough, effectively turning the rifle into a "pump action"?

If (God forbid) SB249 becomes law, what impact does it have to registered "assault weapons" in the state? Is someone going to some looking for my two AR's?

Second, in all sincerity, it it passes, how do those who own bullet-buttoned guns legally retain them in this state in ANY sort of condition? Would plugging the gas tube be enough, effectively turning the rifle into a "pump action"?

I'm not surprised. There are too many Yees and deLeons in the General Assembly that are power-drunk. Gov. Brown will certainly sign it.

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Liberals argue that "Assult" type weapons are for killing people and have no hunting value. Truthfully, I've never had a bear try to break into my home, so go figure. Truthfully, we have sat for too long. The libs have a major lead on us. It's going to take a big battle to win and I'll bet most gun owners will be too busy.

Not *this* Liberal. Your fight is my fight, because we all lose if this continued erosion of our rights continues. Besides, the Second Amendment is not, and never has been, about "hunting" or "sport". It's about Us, The People being able to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government. *THAT* is why it's important to maintain this right, and in California, claw it back from those we allowed to take it away from us.

Besides, if a bear tries to break into your home, a 12-gauge with slugs is probably a better idea than a typical AR-15 anyway.

If Yee and DeLeon get their way and SB 249 passes wait until next year and the one after that................NONE of your guns will be safe from new laws because this is only the beginning. Newsom and Harris will vow to be the top dog in California and outlaw all guns, ammo, knives and anything that resembles a weapon. Don't think it can happen? Just wait and see. Now is the time to make huge donations to the NRA, CRPA, CCRKBA, 2ND Amendment Foundation and any other gun group that supports the 2ND Amendment.

When you contact the appropriate people, be sure and mention to them that we already have laws in this state prohibiting more than 10 round magazines. This is nothing more than a smokescreen by Mr. Yee to prohibit firearms strictly for their "appearance". Remember when the "assault weapons" discussion was going on it had nothing to do with true assault weapons, those weapons that are military grade fully automatic weapons. It had everything to do with appearance and these people in our state offices made their decisions based on that criteria. Most of them don't even know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge, let alone being able to distinguish between various types of firearms.
Let's shut this thing down with the power of our voices, our faxes and our e-mail's to them.

"It wasn't a failure of laws," said Amanda Wilcox, who along with her husband, Nick, lobbies for the California chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "I just don't see how our gun laws could have stopped something like that."

-Speaking about the Oikos mass shooting in Oakland.

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With an assault weapon you just hold the trigger back and it goes blup,blup,blup

-Michael Bloomberg confused about the difference between a machine gun and a rifle, ABC News Nightline 12/21/12

I have written I have called. I have made the purchase.
If this passes who wants to march on Sacramento open carry with AR's?
You know just asking...
If we do nothing and it passes, then they will show up and want them back not even so much as a red cent for us being compliant to their rules.
If 5000 or more show up on the capitals door step and show them we are not going away, we are peaceful and we are not going to let them take them away, what message would you think that would send?

Aside from fighting this law what are the plans to get Lee out of office? He and the others with like minds are the problem. I hear nothing about what is being done to get him out. Cmon surely there are some people out there to run against him? Surely there are some folks in LE, prosecutors, investigators etc who should look into this guy? The progressives will have investigators out the wazoo on someone who threatens their "stuff" why is it none of this is happening against a hardcore dem?

Where is CalGuns and the NRA as far as sponsoring/ backing people to run against these people?

Now we are left having to handle the fight where we should have people in office to do the fighting for us.

BMartini, I've been thinking about the same thing lately but not just Yee. I've been considering a billboard on the 101 north/south corridor (bay area) about a month before the elections and have it run for a month urging voters to vote OUT their democrat representative. I've already written one billboard agency asking for pricing. I was then going to ask this and some other non-firearms groups if they'd be interested in chipping in on a group effort towards a billboard. I'll keep you in mind if you're interested.

NRA? In California? Nowhere to be seen. As far as I'm concerned they've thrown us under the bus except when they need us for fund raising to help the rest of the nation.

And I say this as a life member.

I didn't notice them too. That's why i did not renew my membership cause i don't know the benefits and if they will stand on my side if i needed them. But you will get a lot of spam/offer email from them for free. lols

Here's what I have been sending to every politician with an email address in CA... I added some of my own common sense to help them understand...

As you have never considered the overall impact and ineffectiveness of your proposal SB249.

I am writing you to urge you to join Riverside County Sheriff Stan Sniff, myself and hundreds of thousands of law abiding California citizen in opposing SB 249 which will be presented to the Appropriations Committee on August 16th 2012.

In the words of Sheriff Sniff:
"Even more critically, we should not be turning entire classes of citizen gun-owners from all walks of life, which made good-faith lawful rifle purchases over the past few years, into criminals."

A criminal with ANY gun is dangerous. California’s approach to ban things for law abiding gun owners has zero effect on gun crime, law abiding people don’t commit crimes. In fact law abiding gun owners free to carry actually have been proven to prevent crime.

Here’s the stupidity of California’s 10 round magazine law and now the bullet button ban you propose … think about this… a criminal with a bagful of revolvers (which you are never going to ban) has more firepower than any gun available to a civilian anywhere in the U.S. a bad guy could buy or steal a dozen .357 magnum 6 shooters (for the same price as a semi auto rifle or less), load them up, put them in a gym bag and have 72 rounds without reloading, (about as powerful as a .223 rifle) and can shoot 2 guns at a time.

My letters went into the mail this morning (to their district office if local and to sac if not).

I called all the sac numbers ~1:15pm today and didn't get one busy signal, not one "please hold"... They are no doubt getting many calls, but we need to have their phones jammed with calls. I'm concerned we don't have enough people calling.

On the NRA, I received a card yesterday from the NRA ILA about SB249 asking to contact you Senetor and Assembly member.

I like Calguns approach better. It would be nice if the NRA would align better with Calguns on these things and put on the card to go to calguns.com/sb249 and follow the instructions. It would have been more effective ans many NRA members don't frequent Calguns...

My letters went into the mail this morning (to their district office if local and to sac if not).

I called all the sac numbers ~1:15pm today and didn't get one busy signal, not one "please hold"... They are no doubt getting many calls, but we need to have their phones jammed with calls. I'm concerned we don't have enough people calling.

EVERYONE CALL NOW

I called before noon and did not encounter one busy signal. There are few groups who are as strikingly apathetic as gun owners.

Well.. I have been writing all the area chief's of police and several county sheriffs encouraging them to stand up against SB249.. Be sure to write your police and sheriff departments, your mayor and other officials along with your senators.

I signed and donated when this issue first came up. I have not kept up with the latest on this.

Can someone give me a cliff notes version of what has happened and the process. The sb249 website states there was a 7-2 vote against it but I'm reading it is going to pass?

Fill me in so I can pass this on to others who don't check the forums daily.

Thanks

Go here: http://www.calguns.net/249/
There's an action for each of us to follow each day
All their phone and fax numbers, mailing addresses...
CALL CALL CALL The appropriations committee vote is Thursday.
Follow the advice and be nice, but they need to know we won't sit quietly by for this.

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You can always tell who the cowards are. Hmmmm, high volume of email, go figure. That's alright Nancy, you got a call and a fax as well.

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THIS ACCOUNT NO LONGER RECEIVES E-MAIL.

Thank you for contacting AD14 Assemblymember Nancy Skinner. Due to the high volume of e-mails this is an automatic response to guide you so that your inquiry is directed appropriately....

When I called Cedillo's office yesterday, his phone lackey was clearly disgusted when I informed him I was representing a deputy sheriff's association that was unanimously opposed to SB249. His voice dripped with disdain.