Yeah military spending can be cut to the bone. Drones are a disruptive technology that make most of the Pentagon obsolete. Most of the Air Force and Navy is now useless, and the need for people and logistics has also vastly fallen.

The sooner we shrink the Pentagon, the safer we will be. But even this won't be enough. The US desperately needs to increase public spending. The place is a mess.

Dunnski:randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

He'll try to use Eric Massa as proof, the guy who said that Obama's chief of staff pushed for the investigation of him sexually harassing male pages (following a history of similar complants when he was in the Navy) that lead to him retiring because of his opposition to the president's healthcare bill for being too conservative.

Fox tried to make this a scandal until they had a big primetime interview with him that revealed to everyone that the guy was totally nutburgers. Plus there had to be some cognative dissonance that the man that they claimed was pushing the most radically socialist policy possible of nationalizing 20% of the entire economy (how they characterized "Obamacare") was also pushing that Obama was punishing Democrats who would vote against the bill for not being liberal enough.

Oh, and has been mentioned: Chambliss is an asshole of the highest order for what he did to Max Cleland. Our other Senator Johnny Isakson is actually not bad for a Southern Republican, but Chambliss got into office questioning the patriotism of a triple amputee Vietnam Veteran who was 100% in support of Bush's policies in the War on Terror just because he knew he could get away with it.

Asked if Chambliss is concerned Norquist may use his resources to combat a re-election bid, the senator said, "In all likelihood, yes. But I don't worry about that because I care too much about my country," he said. "I care a lot more about it than I do Grover Norquist." The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

Or, you know, we could just take the caps off Social Security and Medicare taxes and tax capital gains as ordinary income.*And remove all tax-advantaged deductions for corporations that have their manufacturing plants overseas, and cut out all deductions from artificially-inflated transfer costs in tax shelters.Include a 200% tax on all executive compensation packages over 54 times the lowest compensation for employees/'contractors'/subcontractors on outsourced functions. (I call it the "Want to make more? Make everybody better off tax, you sociopaths.")

*Unless you can point to real, living-wage American jobs created by a specific "investment".

I'm sorry, but Chambliss tried to destroy the integrity of a crippled Vietnam veteran by questioning his patriotism and insinuating that he was weak on defense by plastering pictures of Osama and Saddam next to his voting record.

A crippled amputee Vietnam vet that earned half a dozen military commendations was weak on national defense.

Chambliss standing up to some free market retard that has way too much political influence isn't heroic. He'll, it doesn't even make up for his idiotic comments related to arresting every Muslim in Georgia.

Jjaro:Loud_Mouth_Soup: Jjaro: Dunnski: randomjsa: Now we just need GOP leadership to give him a severe talking to and threaten him.

You know, the way the Obama administration does to any Democrat going against the party line on anything at any time.

Citation needed. Actually, several needed, since it happens every time.

I can provide one off the top of my head - when they reigned in Corey Booker for having the audacity to suggest that maybe Bain Capital isnt evil.

Citations require evidence, not your say-so.

Provide the link. A credible one.

It was a pretty big story during the election. So of course you attack me for your lack of awareness. Anyway...

Here's a thinkprogress link for you about the initial comments http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory- booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/?mobile=nc hope thats liberal enough for you.

Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

Shadowknight:TV's Vinnie: Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

Are... are you actually asking this question? You have watched the news in the last ix years or so, right? These people believe what they're told by Fox News, their preacher of choice (so long as it's about Jesus), and that's all.

You know that picture with the Fox News logo, and something about "the first thing a cult does is tell you everybody else is lying to you"...?

It's true. And this is what it leads to.

"Dammit, the other places aren't running our conspiracy theory, I'm going to be snarky about a story with real emotion beyond hate and fear, waaah!"

There should be something where such active shunning of knowledge kills off the stupid and delusional. A disease with a cure, but a counter-message that the cure is government plot to do something, I'm sure they could come up with a plausible-to-them reason not to fall for the government doctor's talking points or something.

globalwarmingpraiser:mrshowrules: nobodyUwannaknow: mrshowrules: Serious Black: Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the foiacus of the Conservative party IMHO.

"What could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume? "

Poor people consume every dime they get. Rich people bank offshore after consuming only essential and luxury items (caviar, leer jets)

I should mention that Canada has sales tax credit for the poor and even the lower middle-class. More than a credit actually, it is a quarterly cheque/payment to offset to people who like you say, spend to survive.

Sounds like the Fair Tax which is univerally despised by Fark.

The main reason I dislike the FairTax (and why I suspect most people on Fark do too) is because supporters want it to be the ONLY federal tax. That will almost certainly turn it into a wildly regressive tax since the rich consume far less of their income than the poor and middle classes do. A progressive consumption tax like the X-tax would be very workable and fair.

incendi:Serious Black: I wasn't talking about a sales tax necessarily. I was talking about a tax that applies to wages, sales, gifts, estate transfers, stock purchases, exchanges of currency, etc. Basically, anything that involves moving money from one account to another would be taxed under this system. The tax base on such a tax is astronomically huge, which is how you get away with a single tax rate of 0.5%.

That would piss off some banks and stockbrokers for sure.

I rarely find situations in which I want to quote global shiathead and morally bankrupt subhuman shiatstain Dick Cheney, but...

Serious Black:Well, that depends. I mean, I've been a pretty big supporter of switching to a universal transaction tax that would almost certainly involve a major income tax rate cut. Would that be really considered a tax cut if you made it revenue neutral? Personally, I wouldn't care what the answer is to pedantic asswipes like Mr. Norquist, but my hunch is that most people would see a marginal cut from 15% to 0.5% as a big tax cut.

A Federal sales tax is exactly what is called for. Canada restored it's Triple-A credit rating very fast with a 7% Goods and Services tax. Now dropped to 5%. A huge money maker and what could be fairer than taxing people on what they consume.

You should only cut taxes when you are on track to balancing budgets and even then I would give more consideration to education and infrastructure spending. A true Fiscal conservative should focus on sustainability. Short term pain and long term growth (competitiveness). That should be the focus of the Conservative party IMHO.

qorkfiend:I wonder how much of his politics is a byproduct of Watergate and Nixon's resignation.

Srsly? All of it. Hes a farkin' throwback.

When Shrub was a candidate I did not like it; I knew he represented the remains of the Watergate era idiots who made a farking mess of things. And look at how good he was at Presidentin'.

i find it very sad that folks don't seem to recall just how crappy the GOP has been for over 40 years, and that they can be made to feel so afraid they will vote against their own interests time and time again.

Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956) is an American lobbyist, conservative activist,[3] and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

nobodyUwannaknow:Being Georgia, my cunning plan would backfire and the Senate would get another teatarded extremist .

Whoever gets the (R) next to their name on the ballot is getting the seat. That's just the fact of the matter. You could put Barack Hussein Obama on the ballot as a Republican and he'd win handily. A primary challenge is the only reason for him to fear losing his seat... and if there's a challenge, it's gonna be a Norquist-approved tea-party turd.

BlueSouth:There is talk of Karen Handel going after Chambliss in the primary. When I'm actually rooting for him winning there is something wrong with the world. I'm aware we're going to elect a Republican senator and I'd rather it be Chabliss. Ugh, I just made myself sick.

To be clear I'm voting for anyone else in the general, but might register Republican so I can vote against Handel in the primary.

TV's Vinnie:Who are these armies of voters at Grover Norquist's beck & call who will savagely devour any candidate that Grover angrily points his finger at? Do they know that they are being used as tools for the financial gain of a trust fund brat? Are they really so robotic that they let some neckbeardy sociopath make decisions for them?

DancingElkCondor:Many conservatives are tired of Grover Norquist....especially since he has ties and links to Islamic Terrorists and groups that support them. He is part of the "Fiscal Conservative" problem of the GOP....Fiscal Conservatives are usually neither.

Although Chambliss has the backbone of an invertibrate at times....the GOP does need to dump Grover Norquist

I hate Grover Norquist more than John Wayne Gacy, but seriously? Do you have any evidence to support this garbage other than the fact that he's married to a Muslim?

The two-term senator from Georgia added he's "willing to do the right thing and let the political consequences take care of themselves."

And this is why the Hero tag was misused. Either raising taxes didn't become "the right thing" until the election revealed a shift in public sentiment to this scumbag or he's admitting that the pledge has always been about political posturing to protect the rich.