I think I tried to talk about this in another thread back when Bush was in office but everyone just jumped all over me, but if I'm right (and I usually am), Obama is just another in the line starting with Reagan and every one since on both sides of the aisle that is selling us out to the banksters. The goal is to create such a deep national debt that we are forced to declare force majeure. At that point, they own us. I think the party lines disappeared long ago boys, and "they" are trying to keep us fighting with each other while they take over the whole ball of wax.

I would rather fight them than you.

I think this is the first time I can agree with you on something. But it's been going on for a lot longer than Reagan. I'd say the increase Government power has been going on at least since Wison and in my opinion since Lincoln.

I think where you and I are different is that I want to restrain the Government and you want to restrain business.