Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

The cause is not yet clear, but officials say it could be linked to renovation work.

Images on social media show plumes of smoke billowing into the air above the the 850-year-old Gothic building.

Last year, the Catholic Church in France launched an urgent appeal for funds to save the cathedral, which was starting to crumble.

A major operation is under way to tackle the blaze, which broke out on Monday afternoon, and an area surrounding the building in central Paris has been cleared, officials said.

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My lore of Notre Dame cathedral stops where the Disney movie ends. Did Nostradams predict the burning down of the Cathedral?

You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power.Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Trust principles; not people.

My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

Is it wrong that my first thought was "ISIS"? ISIS seems to have a particular disdain for historical sites, so I was thinkinig at first that perhaps they had a hand in starting the Notre Dame fire. It could have easily been an accident, though.

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

Is it wrong that my first thought was "ISIS"? ISIS seems to have a particular disdain for historical sites, so I was thinkinig at first that perhaps they had a hand in starting the Notre Dame fire. It could have easily been an accident, though.

ISIS is just one of the many clubs the Bolsheviks beat over the head of the West. However indoctrinated guilt is probably the most diabolical weapon that they use.

I doubt they will ever be able to replicate the beauty and craftsmanship that went into the creation of Notre-Dame. The spire was made of oak and lead and weighed 750 tons. I've heard it mentioned that there is 52 acres of wood in the entire structure. Also lost were religious items that cannot be replaced. A piece of the the Crown of Thorns and relics of Denis and Saint Genevieve.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

French churches are coming increasingly under attack with an average of nearly three churches per day targetted for vandalism alone over the past three years.

A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service (SCRC) of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.

According to the French Ministry of the Interior, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.

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I doubt they will ever be able to replicate the beauty and craftsmanship that went into the creation of Notre-Dame. The spire was made of oak and lead and weighed 750 tons. I've heard it mentioned that there is 52 acres of wood in the entire structure. Also lost were religious items that cannot be replaced. A piece of the the Crown of Thorns and relics of Denis and Saint Genevieve.

A terrible loss of an architectural work of art.

Uh oh. It’s going to be a toxic mess. Some of that may end up in the river too.

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Accidental fires at construction sites are pretty common. Intentional arson fires at construction sites are also common. Flip a coin.

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I could be wrong but thought almost all or vast majority of French were Catholic, so such a view should not be relevant there unlike a Protestant majority nation like US where some on extreme ends may see catholic symbols as 'satanic symbols'.
This article seems to be pointing towards thieves, bored teens etc, that's quite a departure from recent history where generally foreign linked groups usually have been the first suspects. Although in recent Church fires in the West there have been also so called domestic 'hate crimes' like recent other Church fires also in US media news today. It is still bit extraordinary that media is quite cautious in not naming any suspect groups soon after an incidence like this.

The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.

Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
“They are what they hate.” - B4L

The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.

They should rename Paris while they are at it.

Ishmael sounds like a good name.

Any suggestions?

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The glass is half full. Sometimes a tragedy is an opportunity. In order to recognize the demographic and religious change that has occurred in France over the past 100 years, it is the perfect time to enhance acceptance and diversify prime real estate in Paris. As the structure is a total loss, it would be fitting to replace it with a Grand Mosque. After all, there aren’t really many Christians left in greater Paris, and the increasing Muslim population deserves a safe space for themselves. It would be a shining beacon of hope for Muslims around the world.