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Conservatives deal with facts and reach conclusions; liberals have conclusions and sell them as facts.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 15:28:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0By: Ymarsakarhttp://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/09/05/with-republicans-in-their-line-of-sight-again-democrats-revert-to-nazi-tropes/comment-page-1/#comment-145811
Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:49:27 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145811Rules are for the status quo giants. The rules for radicals determine the life and death of a nation, and its culture. People need to forget the bygone rules of the past that have been co-opted by the Left, and use the Left’s own rules against them. For even the chaotic handmaidens of evil need some rules to go by. And it is those rules that they will fall prey to, the only rules, laws, in existence that they can be made to care about. Hold them to their own standards, the Left’s standards, and shatter them with their own pretensions and hypocrisies. There is no other justice in this world left to the enslaved masses.

I don’t really expect the Left’s cannon fodder to know all the secrets and mysteries hidden in their own movement and plan for human de-evolution. That is why they are the cannon fodder, not the leadership. It is why Osama and Zarqawi and all the rest of the AQ leadership didn’t blow themselves up as suicide bombers. That is for the Cannon Fodder, you see. The cannon fodder exists to do just that. They don’t exist to tell the Left or any of us, what to do, because they aren’t going to last long enough in the fight for a conversation to result.

That’s why their extermination should be of no issue with either side. The Left doesn’t care about them. And the fodder themselves don’t care enough to make their own choices, so reasoning with them is just a waste of time to begin with. Time that could be better spent freeing the slaves that wish to be free, from the Left’s shackles.

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Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:39:54 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145810Decency is paid per Green ticket from Al Gore, dontcha know. The more you buy, the more you get. Of course “they would have it”. After all, when Hollywood directors can have immunity, why not used car salesmen.
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Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:12:43 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145803I wish our statements about scientists – that they are humble, that they have learned to recognize their own limits and the limits of the current state of their science – applied to those “scientists” involved in the global warming, climate change, and sustainability fields.
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Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:35:20 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145797We live on an island surrounded by a sea of ignorance. As our island of knowledge grows, so does the shore line of our ignorance ……..
John Archibald Wheeler

A true scientist realizes the profound truth of this statement, and rather than his head expanding to such a diameter as to be unable to find a hat to fit his head, is humbled by realizing how little he really knows, as each new discovery unfolds.
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Sat, 08 Sep 2012 18:34:06 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145776“Have you no decency?”

If you come to this blog intending to annoy people, you have succeeded. If you come to this blog intending to convince others, you have been an utter failure.

The above quote is, to put it mildly, smug and condescending. You are not going to win any people over to your point of view by being smug and condescending. On the other hand, smug and condescending is what libs do. Like Book and many of the commenters here, I was formerly a lib, so don’t have the effrontery to inform me that I don’t know libs. Moreover, I live in a blue town, so I regularly get exposed to libs.

Many libs have the default view of wingnuts as ignorant, knuckle-dragging, racist, Bible thumpers. Your comments to Danny and others partake of at least part of that point of view. Your comments on atheism remind me of how I thought when I was an atheist. Upon further reflection I decided that the assumptions underlying atheism reflected arrogance and ignorance, and became an agnostic.

I find your “hard science” remark rather amusing, as my experience has been that those who cry “hard science” and the like to proclaim their intellectual superiority quite often have a STEM background consisting of Physics for Poets- if that. Al Gore and the POTUS- “flat earth Republicans”- are examples. From my experience, real scientists tend to be more humble, as they have come up against their knowledge limitations. Another reason that real scientists tend to be more humble than you, is that when they were very bright children many learned the hard way that acting as a know-it-all does not win friends and influence people, so in later years they learned to tone it down.

I have a STEM background with a Master’s degree, for what that is worth.

Your proclaiming “Fox link shows Pubs are liars” is not going to convince many people. You are either too lazy or lack the intellectual capacity to explain to us precisely what it was that Pubs said was a lie, and why.

Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s lie/misstatement on his marathon times is not going to convince many, due to the decades of lies, misstatements and plagiarisms coming from Vice President Biden. I doubt you would compare Vice President Biden to the Nazis. I wouldn’t. What Ryan said about the Janestown closing was accurate. He did not lie. As a result, the “Ryan lies” statements on what Ryan said about the Janestown closing has convinced me that any Demo who merely proclaims “Pubs lie” – as you have done- is simply trying to smear Pubs.

Have you no decency?
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Fri, 07 Sep 2012 22:11:23 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145733Danny, extending the discussion a bit, it has always interested me how the modern era’s utopian movements have taken on the most pronounced cultural attributes of the nations that have succumbed to them.

The Germans, ever organized, and resentful of being denied what they saw as their rightful place in the European sun, yearned for an efficient, race-centered utopia. The Russians, far more ethnically mixed to begin with and mired in much greater poverty than the Germans, based their utopia on romanticized envy—the essential building block of communism and socialism.

While the Russians, who have always been genial slobs (slushy cold bad weather makes it hard to keep things tidy) were content to murder millions by exiling them to distant work camps with no particular death quota, the always industrious Germans simply created death factories designed to function until they ran out of raw material.

An American utopia would reflect the obsessions of its creators and seem almost like a parody of the Buddha’s Noble Path: Right Race, Right Status, Right Speech, Right Sex.

Right Race simply means that white guilt would continue as a bedrock element in the official utopian narrative.

Right Status would accrue to those people who have certification from certain elite colleges, work for the government or non-profits, are women, are not practicing Jews or Catholics, are Muslim, are gay, or work in law or the media.

Right Speech would mean that no objections to homosexuality, abortion, Islam, crony capitalism, affirmative action, public employee unions or other sacred cows could be printed or uttered without calling down official reprisals.

Right Sex would reflect the “Brave New World” sexual obsessions of the American utopians—the equality of heterosexual and homosexual sex (and the implied superiority of the latter); the right to unlimited abortion, up to moments before live birth; the forcible provision of contraceptives and abortifacients by churches, synagogues (Muslims excepted), employers, private schools; a renewed movement toward eugenics; and teaching solely the non-procreative aspects and mechanics of sex in the public schools.

Technically speaking, people who do not follow the Noble Fourfold Path would be allowed to live in relative peace, much like dhimmis in Muslim society. If they attempted to protest or agitate against the American utopia, our cultural predisposition to settle everything non-violently through the exercise of law means that anti-utopian protestors would be hounded to death by lawsuits, no-knock raids, tax audits, identity thefts, sudden firings, and behind-the-back denunciations by neighbors.

No gulag, no Auschwitz. A humane utopia!

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Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:52:35 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145732Thanks Danny, it’s good to read something from a rational person.
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Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:41:07 +0000http://www.bookwormroom.com/?p=24081#comment-145731If it’s any consolation, PaulScott, nothing that you have written would paint you as a “Nazi” or “Stalinist”.

This whole thread began with people on the Democrat Left making references to conservatives being “Nazis” (we cited three examples in this thread). And, let’s not forget the “BushHitler” memes of yesteryear. This has been our response.

Despite Ymarsaker’s sometimes flamboyant commentary, his historical references are correct, however: there was a close identification between American progressives and communists and the European fascist movements, including the Nazi party…until Hitler attacked Stalin, whereupon the American communists turned on him. These movements derived from a common source, namely 18th Century materialist philosophers like Rousseau and the leaders of the French revolution.

Conservatives, on other hand, promote limited government and individualism that go very much against these historical utopian movements.

Several of us that post regularly on this blog (myself, David Foster, Charles Martel, Bookworm, etc.) often reference WWII, either because we find it intellectually fascinating or because it had major effects on family members that were caught in the war zone (e.g., Bookworm’s family and my own). One of the areas of personal interest to me is how someone like Hitler was so brilliantly successful in getting people to follow him into disaster. My conclusion is that Hitler was not just a German phenomenon. He was a utopian who crystallized a utopian-progressive vision of society that, unfortunately, still resonates today. I have many Liberal-Progressive family members and friends who, frankly, scare me because I recognize how they easily they can be mesmerized into accepting truly evil things in pursuit of what they perceive to be a great utopian “good”. In the 1920s and 1930s, it was the elimination of designated “inferiors”, such as East European immigrants and blacks (the American progressives). Today it is babies with birth defects and the elderly (Singer, Planned Parenthood).

Of course, these Progressives don’t recognize that capability within themselves. Neither did many “good” Germans, until after the fact. Those of us on this blog that are religious recognize that human beings are dual-natured. We all fight within ourselves day-in, day-out to make the right choices between good and evil and all the grey that is in between. It isn’t easy. What happened in Germany was not specific to Nazis, it was endemic to human nature. That’s why we try to recognize and understand it, so it never happens again.