oh I figured it wasn't running, I was making reference to the fact that my "oh shit, look at the R8" experieces have all ended with "wow, that's quiet. bummer." I'm assuming they're loud at full throttle, but I wouldn't know.

I thought most people prefer the sound of v8s to v10s but in this thread, seems to be the reverse. I haven't heard that many v10s (primarily vipers and M5s/6s) but have never thought the sound to be as pleasing as v8s, v12s or any 6 cylinder. I think the sound produced by the firing order of 5 cylinders (whether in pairs in a v10 or just an i5) is dischordant compared to an even cylinder bank.

I thought most people prefer the sound of v8s to v10s but in this thread, seems to be the reverse. I haven't heard that many v10s (primarily vipers and M5s/6s) but have never thought the sound to be as pleasing as v8s, v12s or any 6 cylinder. I think the sound produced by the firing order of 5 cylinders (whether in pairs in a v10 or just an i5) is dischordant compared to an even cylinder bank.

I love both, equally.

It's just that V8s are much more ubiquitous, especially in Texas, so they don't sound as special to me anymore, especially the large displacement V8s with their low-frequency pitch / rumble. I love the exhaust note of the E92 M3, for example, because it's more of a low-displacement, high-revving engine (the C63 exhaust note, for example, is kind of bland to me).

V10s and 12s just sound more striking because the frequency of the exhaust note is higher and when you hear a V8 and V10 car going WOT at the same time, the V10 tends to drown out the V8, even if the V8 has a higher decibel reading.

oh I figured it wasn't running, I was making reference to the fact that my "oh shit, look at the R8" experieces have all ended with "wow, that's quiet. bummer." I'm assuming they're loud at full throttle, but I wouldn't know.

oh I figured it wasn't running, I was making reference to the fact that my "oh shit, look at the R8" experieces have all ended with "wow, that's quiet. bummer." I'm assuming they're loud at full throttle, but I wouldn't know.

Other than the turbo 4, all the Audi's exhaust are biased towards a very bass-baritone note and not a lot of roar. The V8 and V10 at full throttle are glorious sounds- just not F1 ear-splittingly high-pitched like,say Ferarri or Lambo...

I thought most people prefer the sound of v8s to v10s but in this thread, seems to be the reverse. I haven't heard that many v10s (primarily vipers and M5s/6s) but have never thought the sound to be as pleasing as v8s, v12s or any 6 cylinder. I think the sound produced by the firing order of 5 cylinders (whether in pairs in a v10 or just an i5) is dischordant compared to an even cylinder bank.

Other than the turbo 4, all the Audi's exhaust are biased towards a very bass-baritone note and not a lot of roar. The V8 and V10 at full throttle are glorious sounds- just not F1 ear-splittingly high-pitched like,say Ferarri or Lambo...

I've never been in an Audi R8 V8, but that interior sound of the exhaust from the first half of the clip sounds pretty loud compared to what one hears from the outside.

If you had/could buy a brand car and a max. 5 year old car, as an investment piece/future collectable, what would it be?

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There's no upper financial limit, it's all theoretical.

It will depend what sort of ownership period you're considering. Some new cars will sell for large amounts over MSRP for the first 6 months to a year... If you bought a 2013 Range Rover Full Size last year, you could have immediately sold it for $30,000 over MSRP. That's roughly 25%, potentially sold in a week (or less)... Annualized, that's 1300%!

But, I think you're asking over a longer period... In that case, my picks are -

New - Ferrari LaFerrari, or Pagani Huayra... Will likely settle into a market price of 50-80% above MSRP.

<5 years old - Porsche 997 GT3RS 4.0... Won't likely appreciate much from current prices (~15% abover MSRP), but not likely to depreciate much either - I can't think of too many other cars that will do that... Though again, probably a Zonda, but they come to market so rarely, it's hard to know what's really happening.

the LaFerrari is probably the most likely to appreciate in value, given the rarity, low numbers and place in history. I give it the edge over the 918 or P1 because Ferrari's secondary sales market is astounding. as long as you never drive the thing.

if you got a 2009 GTR, GT3 RS4.0, or 1M at msrp, you've already made money. but get out now because it's not getting any better.

it's notoriously hard to predict what cars will appreciate in value - even the Veyron depreciates

the LaFerrari is probably the most likely to appreciate in value, given the rarity, low numbers and place in history. I give it the edge over the 918 or P1 because Ferrari's secondary sales market is astounding. as long as you never drive the thing.

if you got a 2009 GTR, GT3 RS4.0, or 1M at msrp, you've already made money. but get out now because it's not getting any better.

it's notoriously hard to predict what cars will appreciate in value - even the Veyron depreciates

If you want to make a buck in the car market, you have to buy cars as they bottoms out, preserve the car to a large degree and maintain it/protect things like the interior and paint.

To me, '08 is too early. There are many cars from the '90's that are worthless that will appreciate. Its not exactly worthless, but the E500 is a perfect example of an amazing car you can get for under $20k and will go up no question. The Merc SL is another example.

There are others, but if you want a car to drive and let it become classic then ya, you've got to go more late model.

American muscle cars from the 70's are great options to buy low and appreciate. The 60's cars are booming in value... there's stuff to be had in the low 1000's that will escalate rapidly in the next decade.

American muscle cars from the 70's are great options to buy low and appreciate. The 60's cars are booming in value... there's stuff to be had in the low 1000's that will escalate rapidly in the next decade.

Like what? I'm not challenging you, I honestly want to know your thoughts.

I always wanted to have a classic in the stable and envy the guys around here who've restored their 65 mustang or split window Corvette, but then I remember that I really don't know how to restore cars