yeah, 804... it's famous, theres even music vid's online that are actually pretty humorous rlating to Richmond, which is the 804 code....c'mon man, get outta the dungeon...
life gets much better when you have a light heart, and reduce your stress level.......that's why you retired isn't it?

Very true, but just like the Cat Herders include the entire valley, SMIB include all of southern Maryland, etc... I feel that we should include all of the 804. I bet that 95% of the Richond thread lives outside of the actual Richmond city limits.

Sadly, I am out on riding today. That humongous swing set had enough (cheap!) nuts, bolts and washers to fill a small bucket! It's still not done and my dad just called needing some help moving stuff around the garage.

BWDR is after the S500...I'm not riding today...yet...I went to Basilis, my favorite greek place on Cary st. Now stuffed to the gils I'm sitting @fountain lake with a "blackeye" coffee from lamplighter roasting Co.

BWDR is after the S500...I'm not riding today...yet...I went to Basilis, my favorite greek place on Cary st. Now stuffed to the gils I'm sitting @fountain lake with a "blackeye" coffee from lamplighter roasting Co.

I kinda agree, altho' this one gives "us" a little identity should someone get curious and Google it:

MY .02

That still leaves us without a (formal) name/catch-phrase.

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I still like something based on this theme with it being a little more abstract. The Poe caricature certainly centers this immediate group around the general Richmond Area..... and I think that was the original intent.... which is not to say all are not welcome. I think to specify a broad Area Code such as 804 opens it up well beyond what "we" were trying to portray. Obviously, ALL are welcome to join this merry band.

The MOB tire, to me, is too sanitary, i.e., boring..... even filled in and/or with a bunch of mud dripping off of it. To me, the "mud" implies a limited audience of off-roaders, which all of "us" are not; ADV is much more than that.

Again, those are my thoughts and I won't be providing any more commentary on the finalized logo. Ya'll do what ya are gonna do. Personally, I'm just gonna hook up for a Friday lunch meet with whomever shows up.

I still like something based on this theme with it being a little more abstract. The Poe caricature certainly centers this immediate group around the general Richmond Area..... and I think that was the original intent.... which is not to say all are not welcome. I think to specify a broad Area Code such as 804 opens it up well beyond what "we" were trying to portray. Obviously, ALL are welcome to join this merry band.

The MOB tire, to me, is too sanitary, i.e., boring..... even filled in and/or with a bunch of mud dripping off of it. To me, the "mud" implies a limited audience of off-roaders, which all of "us" are not; ADV is much more than that.

Again, those are my thoughts and I won't be providing any more commentary on the finalized logo. Ya'll do what ya are gonna do. Personally, I'm just gonna hook up for a Friday lunch meet with whomever shows up.

This is all very funny, and I can see it is burning up the spare time of many here.

Given that, I really like the abstract logo that would make people think, and then ask about it. What better way to start a conversation with potential new members? I'm not enough of an artsy guy to be able to do it, but I'll throw some stuff on the wall and see if it sticks:

Poe logo is cool. How about somehow combining the RVA cleverly with a black RAVEN? I like this in particular because Poe has history in both Richmond and Petersburg. River, Raven, RVa. There has got to be a great combination in there somewhere.

The James and the Appomattox connect the area. How about twin rivers theme? Both Richmond and Petersburg are on the fall lines of both rivers. Falls guys? Taking a fall? I know, not very strong.

The James connects the entire state from Monterey to Va Beach, and is close to all the best roads we talk about (nickle and dime, Scotsville ferry, etc). With apologies to Joe Walsh, what about the James River Gang or a version thereof? Maybe a stylized JRG overlaid onto the outline of Va boundaries?

That all said, a very wise man whom I've always admired once exclaimed, "I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member" Not sure we need a logo, or t-shirts, or decals, especially involving eating. The Wingers have been derisively described for years as the group that instead of "Lives to Ride, they "Ride to Eat". Is that what we want to be known for? Just sayin....

Well, I got my DR650 back this morning. I got a tip from my craigslist post that it was at a local tow yard. I went there first thing this morning and sure enough there it was. As you can see it had a rough time.

Adding to the mishmash out there:
Just the Raven...
Raven on a bike...
Raven with QR code...
Raven with bike in its mouth or talons...
Raven with QR code in its mouth or talons...
ADV/raven combo (? -- I'm no graphics person, don't ask me.)

I have never had an issue with this, but here lately over the last couple of mos. I find myself just laying in the bed, tossing and turning, just waiting to nod off, Sometimes I do, but lately I do not. Last night was a good example. I got out of the bed (twice) and went out in the garage, drank a couple of beers, and settled into the family room couch hoping that I would just pass out. That never happened... so I basically just came back out here and stayed for the rest of the night just piddling around. In other words, I didn't sleep a wink last night.

I'm trying to figure out what might have brought this on. Back when I had a real job, the mental stress simply wore me out, and I usually passed out within 5 minutes of laying down. Today, that ain't happening. I'm trying to figure out if I am suffering as the resort of some sort of trauma that happened in my life (PTSD?) . possibly caused by the untimely death of my son and what I saw that fateful day, or what? I now go to bed with the fear that I won't go to sleep, and in that regard, unfortunately, I have not been disappointed; I usually don't.

There are no issues in this family that might have brought this on. All the bills are paid, we essentially have no debt what-so-ever, and what income we do have through Social Security and the meager garage income has kept us sufficiently afloat and financially solvent. In addition, there are no medical issues for any of us that I am aware of that might manifest itself into what's going on.

I really hesitate to seek professional help and some sort of crutch (sleeping pills or some other sort of medication) to allow me to simply dose off, and will not do that unless it boils down as being a last ditch effort should this thing not resolve itself . Suffice to say, it's driving me nuts. I damned sure I'm not worrying about where the next Friday RTE will take place.

I have never had an issue with this, but here lately over the last couple of mos. I find myself just laying in the bed, tossing and turning, just waiting to nod off, Sometimes I do, but lately I do not. Last night was a good example. I got out of the bed (twice) and went out in the garage, drank a couple of beers, and settled into the family room couch hoping that I would just pass out. That never happened... so I basically just came back out here and stayed for the rest of the night just piddling around. In other words, I didn't sleep a wink last night.

I'm trying to figure out what might have brought this on. Back when I had a real job, the mental stress simply wore me out, and I usually passed out within 5 minutes of laying down. Today, that ain't happening. I'm trying to figure out if I am suffering as the resort of some sort of trauma that happened in my life (PTSD?) . possibly caused by the untimely death of my son and what I saw that fateful day, or what? I now go to bed with the fear that I won't go to sleep, and in that regard, unfortunately, I have not been disappointed; I usually don't.

There are no issues in this family that might have brought this on. All the bills are paid, we essentially have no debt what-so-ever, and what income we do have through Social Security and the meager garage income has kept us sufficiently afloat and financially solvent. In addition, there are no medical issues for any of us that I am aware of that might manifest itself into what's going on.

I really hesitate to seek professional help and some sort of crutch (sleeping pills or some other sort of medication) to allow me to simply dose off, and will not do that unless it boils down as being a last ditch effort should this thing not resolve itself . Suffice to say, it's driving me nuts. I damned sure I'm not worrying about where the next Friday RTE will take place.

Thoughts?? Blurt it out, or simply PM me.

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I had a brief run with that during grad school. What worked for me was some combo of two things: 1) I totally monkeyed with my schedule, which I kicked off with a 4-day trip during which time I kept busy, and 2) I started kickboxing 4 days a week. If kickboxing isn't your thing, maybe running? Last year I got my body acclimated to the shock of running using free podrunner interval training MP3 downloads.

Guy, I get insomnia at times. For me it comes from not getting the brain sufficiently shut down and the thoughts keep going round and round. I have to read something to distract my brain before I can go to sleep. If that doesn't work I'll take a quarter of a melatonin tablet. It put you too sleep but don't take them for more than a couple days or you won't be able to sleep at all.