Back in 2013, unsigned Chance The Rapper landed his first major magazine cover for Complex’s Oct/Nov issue. Now, while he remains unsigned, just about everything else about Chance has flipped 180 degrees.

But that just scratches the surface. Fast forward to 2017, and Chance gives us a closer look into his life these days through a huge new interview.

He touches on his Grammy wins, Kanye West, his daughter, staying independent, and maybe selling his new album because frankly, streaming is “weak as f*ck” and he wants to chart – we can’t blame him.

On his Grammy wins:

“When you win a Grammy, you don’t get to take it home … It’s so important to look at everything like milestones, and not the grand achievement. I never made music so that I could win Grammys or so that i could play SNL or so that i could throw a festival. Those are all really, really important things, but checkpoints along the road to heaven.”

On Kanye West:

“‘Ye is like a comedian in a lot of ways. He writes stuff that is painfully funny and painfully true, and that’s why you respect comedy and that’s why you respect his work. His best lines are just lines that are funny, whether it’s like a word being mispronounced, or a weird take on something that a lot of people wouldn’t necessarily say out loud, or not making light of, but in a clever way — exposing something that’s socially wrong.”

On remaining independent:

“In order for me to contribute to thrive, I need more artists to do it themselves. I try and stress this as often as possible. I don’t mean [literally] do it by yourself — in a cool way, you can bring on your friends and professionals that you or your friends know, and build a business where you’re the upper management, you’re the creative and last decision maker, and you don’t ever have to feel compromised.

Labels should legally have to release a list of names of all the people they have signed. Because if you knew how many artists are in deals with any label… I’m not trying to get specific, but any label, you’d be like who the f–k is this? Why did you sign this person seven years ago and their debut album is still shelved? Why don’t I know anything about this artist? I don’t wanna see people keep going through that. I also want to see myself thrive. I’d like to be proof that it works.

You sign to a label, you get a boss, and that shit’s f–ked up to me. Like, why should you have a boss?”

On wanting to maybe sell his next album:

“I might actually sell this album. That’s a big step in itself. And I hate the fact that I can’t chart really — I can chart, but the way they have the stream shit set up is weak as f–k. It’s unfair. It’s like 1500, 1700 streams is equivalent to one unit. That’s unfair — nobody listens to their songs 1700 times when they buy it. F–k outta here. It makes it hard. I can’t compete with other people. Not that the charts matter at all, but come on.

Anyways, I think having it for purchase would be dope — and this is all hypothetical, there is no album. This is an idea. I have songs recorded but I’m not working on a Coloring Book or an Acid Rap… I want to make something that’s kind of wider-scope. 10 Day was all about getting suspended, Acid Rap was a lot about acid, Coloring Book was a lot about being a father and God, and I think whatever this album is, it wouldn’t be so centered. Whatever my next thing will be, it’ll be a bit bigger.”