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Then what was up with the last scene in the anime?(I know you haven't seen it, this is targeted for any of the game players)

I haven't played the game, but my assessment is that the outcome of Tsumihoroboshi-hen was "good" for Rika, as she managed to prevent more people from getting killed prior to that "accident". If Rika is playing a game that involves luck, she was really lucky in Tsumihoroboshi-hen; if she continues to end up with good rolls like this one, she'll escape this scenario-loop she is stuck in.

That being said, the "real culprit" of this scenario likely needs to be killed, which, if that culprit is who I suspect, hasn't happened thus far in the series.

If you're talking about how Rika is looking ebil after being told that Tomitake has died, isn't it an indication that the world "resetted" like in each previous arc?

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the anime made it seem like the last scene happened the next day (Which was already confusing since Rena should've been taken to Juvie and nobody in their right mind would want to be around her)

keep in mind i didn't understand any of what Rika said, so i wouldn't know if she said it was a different universe

I also like how Keichii's dad is up on the anime's site even though he wasn't in the anime at all (I think they showed him kicking Keichii's door in episode 2)

And where the hell were they(or Rena's dad for that matter) in this episode? Don't you think it would've been a good idea to get her dad to try to talk his daughter out of it, or call Keiichi's parents saying "Hey, your son is being held captive in the school and has a chance of being killed."

Though, the police weren't all that smart anyway since they just let 2 kids try to murder each other on the school roof.

Then what was up with the last scene in the anime?(I know you haven't seen it, this is targeted for any of the game players)

Like everyone else said. Exactly what it means.

The real kuromaku (villan - mastermind) is not even revealed. The cycle continues.

Now it should be obvious why the anime doesn't go into the next chapters... Its like the writer's decided to instead of just recreating the whole Higurashi story, they chose to pose the question:
"We just showed you a majority of the evidence... There were differences in our exhibits but some clear similarities... Now whats your answer?"

the anime made it seem like the last scene happened the next day (Which was already confusing since Rena should've been taken to Juvie and nobody in their right mind would want to be around her)

keep in mind i didn't understand any of what Rika said, so i wouldn't know if she said it was a different universe

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Judging from what Rika was saying in the end, the last scene is indeed from another scenario, where things happen all over again. Rika's words was an indication of what she learnt from Keiichi during Tsumihoroboshi: to not give up on hope and keep trying, and believe that out of all those different outcomes, one of those would lead to the prevention of this whole tragedy.

Actually, I found it a little weird that they would include the reference of dice rolling of Rika in the anime, as it was never mentioned before since they didn't include any TIPS.

Actually, that's what I did. And I have one of them (the "jaw-dropping" twist), but I couldn't find the other one that you mentioned in the review (the "grandfather" and "god" one). Is there something missing that I didn't do?

Actually, that's what I did. And I have one of them (the "jaw-dropping" twist), but I couldn't find the other one that you mentioned in the review (the "grandfather" and "god" one). Is there something missing that I didn't do?

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Whoops. I mucked up. That TIP is from Minagoroshi's first chapter. Oh well.

Uhu, I loved terrorist Rena too! I congratulate DEEN on at least making it suspensful at some parts, and for making my heart hurt when Rena was beating on Mion. If only the animation was better, but other than that, Rena's lines were nice. <3

I also wish Rika's voice didn't have to go so deep in the anime... It only needed to go a liiiittle deeper, Tamura...

Actually, upon a few more viewings, this episode in general is a lot better than I oirginally gave it credit for.

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My only main problem is how they break up the fight with other people speaking, which is always bad idea if you trying to create a sense of action. They should have just done Rika's, Oishi's and everyone else's comments before the fight started so they didn't stall the action. But what's done is done.

First of all, this episode was quite uneven in terms of "how well it was done": The nicely done parts were absolutely awesome, the badly done parts were absolutely terrible.

I'm going to be judging this episode from a gamer's point of view, and it's going to be very critical because it was one of the most famous scenes in the entire game series. So I won't be holding back on the complaints.

First of all, let's start with bad part:

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- The music. I know I can't expect to hear the game's music here, but this is just...

To give them credit, the music got a little better near the end. When I first wrote my comment in the game thread after finishing Tsumihoroboshi-hen, I mentioned that this finale was like watching an episode of 24 (it really was). But the music remained a dull~ boring~ ambient precussion-ish thing until Keiichi and Rena's fight, where we actually got a semi-active score. Even then, everything remained very "ambient".

I couldn't stress enough how important the music was to the game's story (it's called a sound novel for a reason), even Ryukishi-san himself mentioned that each scene in the game was written while he listened to the music that's going to be used for it. It was a huge mistake for the animation staff to ignore the importance of "musics" for this series.

- Other misc. scenes that were very hard to ignore when they have been altered or skipped. Because this part of the game was such a significant one, it's really "irritating" if some parts went against our mental image of what the scene should be like.
1. Mion not getting her chance to look/sound heroic (it was really her only chance ). Rather than staying conscious and still caring for others even though she's hurt, she just got knocked out here until it all ended.

2. Rika's signature line came out (although it feels almost as if Deen squeezed it in on purpose because they know they'll be facing the wrath of thousands of fans if they DIDN'T put it in ). But her line officially starts with 生憎ね、１分も稼げれば十分なの (Sorry, but if I can stall for even 1 minute, it'll be enough), so they really only got HALF of Rika's sentence. In the end, 遊んであげるわ、おいで鉈女 (I'll play with you, come here, hatchet woman) only sounded like an odd reply to Rena's "you're gonna get killed" statement.

3. Animation during the fight. Well, I wasn't expecting much. But I'm amazed at how their bodies would wriggle and morph as they moved around. It's almost as if they're made of jello.

4. The lack of Keiichi's "winner's statement" in the end. I had a strong mental image of Keiichi making an open challenge to the "demons" while holding Rena in his arms (with the game then breaking into credits and ZERO). Mu, that's ok, I'll just complete it in my head again.

The good parts:

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- The coverage of the story. Probably because they're finally devoting an entire episode to a single important scene of the game, the story was told nicely. Some skippings still occured (for example, the whole struggle to find the hidden kitchen timer was far too easy in the anime, it almost felt as if Satoko was a psychic, to be able to figure out everything so fast). But other than that, this was the best episode in terms of pacing.

- Keiichi and Rena's fight (non-animation part). Their conversation alone is enough to make you cheer out loud. There were a lot of nuances of a love confession during this scene in the game, and certainly is enough to make Keiichi x Rena supporters go crazy. Again, they had to compress the conversation, but still, the "treat me gently, and make me happy" and the "we'll always be together" part made me go AHH~

- Rena "noticing" her mistake in the end. Excellent job from both Nakahara Mai and Hoshi Souichirou. And for some reason, the animation fluidity and quality skyrocketed here (especially for the tears).

Now, as for the ending... I don't know... For those of us who played the game, the Rika/Oishi conversation in the end was great, especially Rika's final line, which certainly sounded like something she would say. They even ended with the signature "series title popping onto the screen with a boom sound" thing.

But for the non-gamers (especially for those who didn't read the TIPs)... It may be nothing but a source of confusion?

I hope this isn't too off-topic, but what were the events that occurred in this arc (or any previous arc, but I only saw references during this one) that may allude to future arcs? I'm not asking for what exactly happens in Minagoroshihen, etc (I know people are working hard on this already), but at several times it seems certain events were left out of the anime because they allude to arcs that won't occur in the anime... am I correct in this?

4. The lack of Keiichi's "winner's statement" in the end. I had a strong mental image of Keiichi making an open challenge to the "demons" while holding Rena in his arms (with the game then breaking into credits and ZERO). Mu, that's ok, I'll just complete it in my head again.

...they... they.... they... (goes to broken record mode)... ;_;

As for the Epilogues... I have no expectations for this. DEAN skipped pretty much every epilogue since Tatarigoroshi. Plus the Demon's Script one would greatly confuse the viewers... but then I guess same would have been said to the gamers who followed the series from the start and had to wait for Minagoroshi. Dean could have pulled it off. But then maybe they couldn't pull the money to bring Akasaka's CV just for that scene I don't know why DEAN didn't seem to care to give a budget for this anime. Well, but then I guess, you don't enjoy HIgurashi for the imagery. But *sigh* at least keep the sound, half of that was free

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I hope this isn't too off-topic, but what were the events that occurred in this arc (or any previous arc, but I only saw references during this one) that may allude to future arcs?

In this arc paticular the TIPs Rena's Hideout, My Fav Wine, Last Night, to some degree Reason to Move to Hinamizawa, and the last TIP for this arc which will go up soon. For the other arcs... read the TIP section. They're scattered about in there.

1) Even with all the major characters alive at the end, they still couldn't break the pattern, and the whole damn thing is reset again. I disagree that it was vague, since it was pretty obvious to me that the final epilogue scene was yet another permutation of the "eternal June".

2) The fight was meh. Didn't Studio DEEN animate Fate/Stay Night? However, I haven't heard any of the hype about it ("Heaven and Hell"?), so I didn't really look forward to it. Where were the police sharpshooters? [EDIT: I see, ayyo mentions this in his blog post. Dang, I really can't push Ryukishi-san into a plot hole]
Anyway, I liked the rooftop banter a lot. It sounded like a frickin' meido-con marriage proposal--if they both survived.

3) Who let poor injured Rika/Oyashiro go off into the night alone to be watanagashi'ed again? She's in the middle of her NAKAMA, for chrissakes.

4) Rena's repentance scene was very nice. Almost cried. Then I remembered I had to do laundry. I agree with one of the above posters that the bomb disarming scene was cliche, although it could've been worse. If any of you saw the movie Goldfinger, Bond stops the bomb right at 0:07.

5) I went ahead and splurged, ordering Matsuribayashi-hen from an online vendor. As such I will be ignoring the inevitable Minagoroshi/Matsuribayashi thread (the M&M thread) that will appear in this forum.

6) Dammit, it was a nice ending, but still the culprit is out there somewhere. Unforgivable. Cicadas are crying.

Even knowing what was left out, I thought it was a pretty good episode. I don't think anyone was thinking that the final TIP would have been left in, so there's not much dissapointment there. Rena showing up on the roof made my heart skip a beat though, it was definitely suspenseful, even though I knew about the rooftop fight since the beggining of the series from that TYPE-MOON fanart.

The only thing left to do now is wait a week for the fansubs so ayyo can finally start translating Minagoroshi-hen.

Is it possible that Rika injected Rena with the syringe this time around? I've always thought that Rika had the cure for the madness since she tried to use it on Shion. I don't believe that Keiichi cured Rena on friendship alone, though it was a large factor.

Also, I'm assuming that last scene is from Minagoroshi-hen? Rika got picked by Oishi this time, and obviously she won't be swayed by his words since she knows a lot more about everything than anyone else in the village. That scene makes me really wish to see Minagoroshi.

Is it possible that Rika injected Rena with the syringe this time around? I've always thought that Rika had the cure for the madness since she tried to use it on Shion. I don't believe that Keiichi cured Rena on friendship alone, though it was a large factor.

Actually, that was one of the things that was left out back in episode 25. Rika visited Rena during the time when she was hiding in her 'secret hideout', just before Keiichi did. She presented the syringe to her and offered the injection. But Rena who was overtaken by her own madness, accused Rika of attempting to kill her the same way that Tomitake was murdered. Whether the syringe was a cure or not was never clearly stated, but Rika did mentioned that the substance inside was different from those used on Tomitake.

EDIT: A question to those who play the game -

Spoiler for About Onikakushi:

I just started Minagoroshi chapter, and was wondering if anyone remembers if there was any indication at all in Onikakushi whether the Hinamizawa great disaster happened or not at the end?

Actually, that was one of the things that was left out back in episode 25. Rika visited Rena during the time when she was hiding in her 'secret hideout', just before Keiichi did. She presented the syringe to her and offered the injection. But Rena who was overtaken by her own madness, accused Rika of attempting to kill her the same way that Tomitake was murdered. Whether the syringe was a cure or not was never clearly stated, but Rika did mentioned that the substance inside was different from those used on Tomitake.

EDIT: A question to those who play the game -

Spoiler for About Onikakushi:

I just started Minagoroshi chapter, and was wondering if anyone remembers if there was any indication at all in Onikakushi whether the Hinamizawa great disaster happened or not at the end?

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「You are, ...just a little sick. With a small bit of medicine you’ll feel better. .........Would you be interested if I said I brought that medicine?」

[...]although it could've been worse. If any of you saw the movie Goldfinger, Bond stops the bomb right at 0:07.

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But the timer was supposed to set off at 7:00 anyways

But yeah, it could have been worse

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Originally Posted by LostBlue

DEAN skipped pretty...Dean could have pulled it off...DEAN didn't seem to care to give a budget for this anime

Studio DEEN is spelled with two Es.

And he is supposed to be the lead translator

Oh well, you can't really cry over the spilled milk, even more so when it had been spilled so long ago. It was a good episode and a good series overall anyways (it gets the same rating as my rating for this episode: 7 - Good).

Do those internet petitions things still work nowadays? Because we so need KyoAni doing the surgical on this one