<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">When did I say anything about kicking people out was violence?<br><br>Fine, let's use your damned definition. Now, what, if any, behaviors in the space do not become violence under your definition?<br><br>- Reverend Mik McAllister<br><hr>"You can see the summit but you can't reach it<br>Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit<br>Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain<br>Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"<br> - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"<br><hr>Purveyor of Subversive Fiction<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.prismandink.com">http://www.prismandink.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lunatextpublications.com">http://www.lunatextpublications.com</a><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 4/11/13, Andrew Byrne <i><andrew@pachakutech.com></i></b>
wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Andrew Byrne <andrew@pachakutech.com><br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who do we want to exclude? [Drama]<br>To: "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal@yahoo.com><br>Cc: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net><br>Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 11:43 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1622838538"><p dir="ltr">Oh for fuck's sake and in all honesty, do you think kicking people out is a violence of that sort and not the one I'm describing? understand, I was speaking not metaphorically but as a real, economically and physically moderated oppression that is injurious to millions of living individuals.<br>

... throwin Webster's at me</p>
<div class="yiv1622838538gmail_quote">On Apr 11, 2013 11:22 AM, "Mitchel McAllister" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:xonimmortal@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1622838538gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">You can discuss oppression, discrimination, and privilege, but that is not violence, except in the most abstract sense of the word.<br>
<br>And as far as "no one would agree with" - I'm agreeing with Random House, Oxford Press, Webster, etc.<br><br>- Reverend Mik McAllister<br><hr>"You can see the summit but you can't reach it<br>Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit<br>
Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain<br>Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"<br> - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"<br><hr>Purveyor of Subversive Fiction<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.prismandink.com">http://www.prismandink.com</a><br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lunatextpublications.com">http://www.lunatextpublications.com</a><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 4/11/13, Andrew Byrne
<i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=andrew@pachakutech.com">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Andrew Byrne <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=andrew@pachakutech.com">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who do we want to exclude? [Drama]<br>To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 11:15 AM<br><br><div><p dir="ltr">That's one definition of violence I think no one would agree with and demonstrates a political ignorance born of privilege; how can you deny the oppression we enact on countless third world workers through our internet? -dru</p>

Violence is typically defined as physical, injurious force. I have seen no violence at Noisebridge - not even during the Scud and Chrissie soap opera.<br>
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The behavior is definitely unexcellent. It is disruptive, as in interrupting or disturbing things that are going on in the space.<br>
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--- On Wed, 4/10/13, Andrew Byrne <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=andrew@pachakutech.com">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Nope, it's most definitely a violence towards others to not speak up when Twitchy McJunkie decides to take a post-burrito nap during the physics class visit. It's also violence towards others who leave b/c we tolerate the presence of ignorant uggles with no interest in hacking or self-improvement--those who don't care when their joissance overflows into other's work space.<br>