I have a similar story as the OP.
The way i remember it is that my mom was in a tree, i was above her. I noticed she was throwing little pebbles at this guy. I remember asking my mom
how she met my dad and she told me the story about how, my uncle brought his best freind to my mamaw's house. She said "i was up in a tree throwing
pebbles at him"....

I told her, i have a memory of that. She told me there was no way i could have a memory of that. I told her she was in a little sun dress, with
flowers on it, bare foot, and her hair was in a tiara braid. That she was sitting in the tree in the front yard at mamaw's house, that her brother
was sitting on the porch. That her sister/sister's husband/ and my dad got out of a green colored dodge challenger style car, that the sun was
shinning warmly. That mamaw just walked out on to the porched to smoke. She just looked at me as though i was nuts. That is when i started to tell
her, that the guy she was throwing rocks at was my dad but not my father. She again looked at me in shock. She did not know that i already new that i
was adopted. I told her its okay, i understand that my biological father wanted nothing to do with me, and my step dad was a great dad. This whole
conversation was when i was 9 or 10 or so. She never acknowledge that my dad was not my father for about another 10 years when they finally got a
divorce.

Looking back on this memory, i started to wonder if i heard the conversation before on how my dad and mom met. I don't think i ever did, becauuse who
goes into the great details like what i can remember. Like the type of car, the weather conditions, the hair style, the clothing, who had a cigeratte
in their mouth, who was sitting on the front porch.... Normally people just describe what they were doing. I don't think i was ever givin a choice to
go with her, but again i am still not sure if this is a true memory or not.

a "natural" human, and an "occupied" human. a natural human is just an "empty shell" sure he looks human and acts human but there is nothing
deeper, its missing that "spark" of life..its so easy to tell them apart. however an occupied human is a higher form of intelligence that occupies
the shell of a natural human, just because it is the most intelligent form of life that resides in this planet.

most of the murderers, psychopaths, and often people born into torture and horrible conditions are mostly empty shells or "natural" humans...however
some higher forms purposely chose the pain and suffering or often assigned these fates as a form of punishment.

clearly the person who started this thread is an occupied human.

You may desire to reconsider this position.
Here's why:

By inventing a group of 'REAL" people, and classifying all the rest as empty shells, you open the door to socio-apathy.
Any sufficiently developmentally challenged moron holding any sufficiently powerful political position anywhere could use the whole basis of
difference between Real People and Shell People as justifiable rationalization for killing millions of people for any or no reason at all.

That's the more extreme of examples. Less extreme applications would involve totally ignoring social welfare, or the wants and need of anyone
"lesser".

The whole premise gives anyone and everyone free reign to rape, murder, steal from and take advantage of anyone and everyone because by default,
anyone following such a belief will always be one of the "real" people, while having a harem of child sex slaves would be okay since they're not
real people, and even if they are, they picked that life and probably deserve it anyway.

The whole concept in itself is developmentally rudimentary; philosophically and psychologically equivalent in cognitive complexity and mental maturity
to something any child could make up on the spot off the top of their head.

By comparison, the oldest continually practiced religion on the planet, Hinduism, from a standpoint of being developed by actual primitive ancient
man, is a hair or two more sophisticated and refined in it's use of the caste system.

You're still totally screwed if you have a crappy life such that due the caste system, it's your lot in life to take what you get and be happy with
it. If you want to be a crybaby about your miserable lot in life, then you run the risk of having to repeat the whole thing over, several times over,
or, even getting tossed down the ladder to a worse lot in life in your next life.
The concept thus justifies keeping people with crap lives in their place, because that's where they're 'suppose' to be.

Beyond that you get into other philosophical complexities like the always fun solipsism
A Solipsist believes that nothing exists outside their own observation, where the entirety of the universe extends out to and encompasses only what
they know about, where anything new is something a hidden compartmentalized aspect of themselves already knew and chose to reveal at that time for
whatever or no reason at all.
I adore solipsism for it's ever so entirely selfish perspective and self examination of the universe. It's pretty hilarious.

You then fall into the primitive concepts of magical invisible super people that created everything, each and every sort of myriad version all
different and pretty much the same.

Progressing beyond invisible people in the sky there's the one-with-the-universe philosophy.

The list goes on, but, the whole Real People vs Shell People thing is one of the more developmentally immature and simplistic such that by adopting
the belief, one might as well say they're one of the shell people incapable of anything any more sophisticated or mature as far as a belief system
goes.

I don't mean any insult to anyone by this.
Just say'n. It opens doors to dangerous thought and behavior.

it was a study conducted by a psychologist, with hundreds of accounts from people with near death experiences, and he documented all of their
encounters and almost all patients described the same events, the report was around 300 pages long, and also that is where i first heard of the
natural humans, a.k.a the empty shells or "soulless" . it was just an overwhelming amount of info, but this is the part that stuck to me the most,
it makes so much sense, it explains so much. it even taught me how to "identify" a shell. vs. an occupied body

ok, i think you might have gotten some mixed misconceptions of what i was talking about..its not easy to put it into words....

2 types of people...

1* a "natural" human or empty shell happens when a "soul" moves on and so it never inhabits the fetus...and therefore a human baby is born, with no
"spark of life" or soul. a natural human is more prone to violence, murder, torture etc..however there are some exceptions and some of them become
honest hard working individuals and live a fulfilling life.when these real humans die, nothing happens just darkness..no further existence.

*cringe* this might offend some people, but this is the truth.. many native american tribes, and some African tribes as well as some women(there are
very few occupied women in existence, only a few thousand)are mostly made up of shells...also known as natural humans

2* the 2nd group of people who are occupied by the light, often have an extra 6th sense..this is because they are "tethered" to a higher force that
makes sure that they live their lives to a "fixed" destiny or fate in order for them to learn a lesson and move on to the next form of
existence..sadly when they move on, the next human baby that they were supposed to inhabit ends up becoming a shell...i know this is very confusing
and i might be the last person to remember this information..read this thoroughly. when an "occupied" human dies the "occupant" moves on to another
stage of reality, and leaves behind a dead shell.

this is probably to confusing for many people im so sorry for derailing this thread

** i forgot to mention, there is no scientific way to prove that someone is empty or not, only the occupied humans can identify the empty ones, and
this ties back to that 6th sense i was talking about..i remember that you mentioned that the empty humans might get mistreated...this is the response
to that.

For the record, NDEs can be replicated in the lab without ever the need to kill a subject.

NDEs are psychologically subjective states, similar across a large demographic, in respect that everyone has falling dreams. Certain biochemical
states and conditions produce reliably predictable results.

In the same way that NDEs can be replicated, the Alien Abduction experience can be reliably replicated too.

Edit: By creating these 2 types of people, regardless of how you want to sing the song, you're creating a privileged Master race, and a sub class of
sub-human.

Only REAL people can identify empty shells?
Isn't that a little convenient?

Makes for the rationalization of abuse and exploitation of any number of people all the easier.

I'm sorry, but, no matter how you want to sell it, it's a dangerous belief.

For the record, NDEs can be replicated in the lab without ever the need to kill a subject.

NDEs are psychologically subjective states, similar across a large demographic, in respect that everyone has falling dreams. Certain biochemical
states and conditions produce reliably predictable results.

In the same way that NDEs can be replicated, the Alien Abduction experience can be reliably replicated too.

there is a difference between replicating the "sensation" of an nde and replicating an actual visual/audible/textured hallucination of an nde...

all they have been able to "replicate" is the feeling of weightlessness and funny lights...they have yet to replicate in a lab a full blown near
death experience with the birth canal to another existence A.K.A the "tunnel with the white light" effect.

it is easy to strap on a helmet with some nodes and some magnets and pass an electrical current through it to create a sense of weightlessness and
being lightheaded...but a real NDE will never be replicated.

you seem to be a decently educated person, however there is more to this existence than just black and white...maybe it was destiny for you to come
across this post, but you probably dont believe in that neither..i hope you learn next time...

by the way i would say 68% of the members that reside in this forum are occupied and 32% are empty..

there is so very few of us..out of billions in this earth we have accumulated a small group of hundreds in this forum..many searching for what has
been in front of them the whole time...that is why we are here to search to learn, not science...thats for the natural humans, you know deep down in
the very pit of your being that there is more to it.

You aren't religious? How? You remember prior to being born, practically sitting there with God and him asking you if you wanted to go?

That memory would make any person believe in God......Not saying going to church and all that jazz, which I don't believe in doing either, but your
belief in God should be much above any average person with doubts!!

That is awesome you got to meet our maker prior to even entering this world.....People can only dream and wish of that great achievement!

But the non God people out there will tell you that was just a dream, a manifestation of facts.....But you know in your heart that God put you here
and you got to witness that first hand with a memory of it....Congrats!!

a "natural" human, and an "occupied" human. a natural human is just an "empty shell" sure he looks human and acts human but there is nothing
deeper, its missing that "spark" of life..its so easy to tell them apart.

You mean you have a "theory" and nothing more - there's zero evidence of any of that, souls or "empty" people.

At this point no one actually knows or understands what makes up human consciousness or sentient intelligence.

Unless you have evidence and proof - to which, please present - I'm keen to see it.

People we meet in everyday circumstances can be absolutely soulless. I have a very small business in Paris and one of my customers seemed at first to
be very knowledgeable in spirituality and philosophy and I began talking to him. However, very soon I began to feel extremely uneasy, he seemed to be
getting extremely aggressive at any contradiction, then on another occasion, he started to make extremely unpleasant remarks for no apparent reason,
and although I am used to dealing with unpleasant people I seemed to be really shattered and uneasy about his remarks. Well, I suddenly made eye
contact with that person and it was the weirdest and most frightening thing I saw… His gaze was totally devoid of any emotion… None whatsoever, it
didn’t even feel negative: there was nothing there. I quickly made an excuse that I had to leave, he left and has since never come back… Looking
back I am sure that that person was a soulless being… Just following a program and feeding unconsciously of other people’s emotions.

If anyone wants to, any sufficiently skilled hypnotist can make you "remember" all sorts of things that have never happened.

There's quacks that will manipulate their patients through false memory implantation, but I'm sure if one were interested, there's 'honest'
quacks that will give you memories of any past life you want all to various depth of detail and complexity depending on time involved and the number
of session it takes to successfully implant the false memories as well as erasing any prior knowledge of the falseness of the false memory.

I believe you. I remember a few moments before I was born. It is my earliest memory. I was walking along with someone. They were holding my hand.
I was not told anything. I had a wonderful feeling or sense that everything was going to be fine. Im not religious by any means shape or form.
Thanks for asking the question OP. I have not thought about that for a while.

Originally posted by amraks
This was a good read. similar to what someone here mentions.

People we meet in everyday circumstances can be absolutely soulless. I have a very small business in Paris and one of my customers seemed at first to
be very knowledgeable in spirituality and philosophy and I began talking to him. However, very soon I began to feel extremely uneasy, he seemed to be
getting extremely aggressive at any contradiction, then on another occasion, he started to make extremely unpleasant remarks for no apparent reason,
and although I am used to dealing with unpleasant people I seemed to be really shattered and uneasy about his remarks. Well, I suddenly made eye
contact with that person and it was the weirdest and most frightening thing I saw… His gaze was totally devoid of any emotion… None whatsoever, it
didn’t even feel negative: there was nothing there. I quickly made an excuse that I had to leave, he left and has since never come back… Looking
back I am sure that that person was a soulless being… Just following a program and feeding unconsciously of other people’s emotions.

it is hard to tell based on your writing pattern whether you are empty or occupied...you might be a neutral shell, the ones that go about life with
normal set of manners and routines...but based on your quick research methods im inclined to say you are just a young soul.

i would need to look into your eyes.

what the original poster described as recalling a memory prior to his conception, is actually a very rare "glitch" lol its not supposed to happen.

When I was a kid, talking real young, my earliest memories were dreaming of being someone in a past era. If i was the type of person who'd be
inclined i'd probably believe in previous lifes because of that. Still seems weird to me to this day

I dont think i can recall when i was born. But to touch on what the OP says, I do believe there is more to this life, that there are powers of light
vs darkness. My believes are not feed to my but are what I have gathered in my 26 years of life so far. I have been attached by darkness many of
times, even with 3rd party witnesses, and casted it out in the name of Jesus.

Before I started to reference the bible for answers, never picking one up before, I had a dream that I can only describe as taking the part of a
leader in my small community and helping people through troubled times. Near the end of the dream I went to a church and into the basement where I met
Jesus. Without saying it he told me I’m on the correct path in life and doing what I needed to do in this life. It was the first time I’ve ever
seen his face. I woke up and started crying like a little girl uncontrollably for 5 mins, mind you I’m a 26 year old man that never cries. It was as
if a million pounds was taken off my shoulders at that moment and I now know the feeling of being saved.

I told my wife about my dream about a month later. It took me so long to tell her about it because every time I would think about the dream I would
start to cry again. She reference a section in the bible that says Jesus will visit the old in visions and the young in dreams. I then asked her,
Knowing she is very religious, if she has ever seen the face of Jesus in her dream or anyone else that she knows for that matter? She answered no and
at that moment I knew what I experienced was very special.

1 - When my mother was 8 months pregnant, she and my father went to the stock car races in Agawam Mass. Anyone who has been to stock car races knows
that they are VERY LOUD. I have a very distinct memory of being in the womb and hearing the sound get loud, then fade, then get loud, then fade, over
and over (the cars were going around the track coming near then going to the other side and then back again). I remember hating the sound. I
remember thinking that I didn't want my right ear pushed against the wall of the womb because that was where the noise was coming from but I also
remember thinking that the left side was always loud and I didn't like my ear pushed on that side (because of stomach noises etc). I remember being
frustrated. Of course .. I didn't have words to express any of that in my head .. just feelings.

2 - 2nd womb memory. I remember sitting in the womb and feeling a sizzling burning all over me. It hurt. And I remember a very bright light. This
happened a few days before I was born. My mother tells me that they gave her drugs to try to induce labor and that I came out all peeled and
'burned' from a reaction to the drug AND I think the light was them cutting me out of the womb and the light was the operating room. The light
started at the lower right side .. I remember looking down at it as it got brighter ...

Other memories .. past life memories that come in dreams. Being in WWII London England and being 'blown up' by an air raid on a playground. I saw
my mother (of that time period) and others and the 1940s style clothing ...

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