Presidential staff turnover is a fact of life. First years of presidencies can be particularly chaotic. But one analysis shows that President Trump’s turnover exceeds that of the last five presidents. Katie Dunn Tenpas, senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution, joined Federal Drive with Tom Temin to discuss what this means for the bureaucracy.

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