Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

ALRIGHT! With Chaol's absence it is time for a DODEC update!!!!! ;)

The self

What is the self, careful mindfulness of your emotions and thoughts will lead you to feel not quite as you typically envision yourself.

If you take it step further and take some mushrooms or LSD or even deep transcendental meditation, you will feel your sense of self or at least as you would think of yourself seem as an illusion. And a new more comprehensive smarter self emerges. At first you balance the two as you think about what is going on, but as your new self appears you cling less to the old self until it is gone. It is still you, but it is no longer you. The new you has a vastly expanded thinking potential. Thinking in multiple dimensions, and running several trains of thought at once, and your thoughts become less limited and you start thinking in terms of infinities. But verbalizing your thoughts is no impossible, you have hit a wall where what is going on in your head cannot be turned into speech at all, and you barely remember what you were thinking about hours later.

SO WHAT IS THE SELF, WHAT's LEFT AND WHAT APPEARS

Nueroscience has taught us a lot about what we know about the self. Using transcerebral magnetic stimulation as well as electrode stimulation, neuroscientists have mapped much of the brain.

Well it turns out we have two senses of self. One that we normally associate with ( let's call this self A) located in the left amygdala and another less known self (self B) in the right amygdala

self B is what causes the feeling of feeling someone is behind you or someone watching you when no one is there.

Self A is your waking self, the one that associates with language. The irony of this being our selves that we usually associate with is that it is limiting our reality.

You see this self is "contained" in our left amygdala. Our left brain is also where our capacity for language is. It turns out that language severely limits the infinite. The mere act of a symbol or word that defines something inherently applies a limitation. Since this exists for everything we know, think, or can talk about, by being our normal selves we vastly limit our potential.(Think about being wet, it is a word, but what does wet REALLY feel like. We think it feels wet, but that is just conceptual wisdom and not what the feeling is actually like. Ever feel something cold and think you touched something wet. Why are they so similar? Because you don't have any actual processing of what those sensations are like, you just have a word wet and so you think of yourself as only the word "wet" and not the sensations of what being wet is like.)

We have a sense of self on each side of the brain. They are both busy doing something almost all the time. However, normally, the one on the left side where language is located, tends to dominate our experience of ourselves.This goes on because of our constant inner dialogue. We are constantly trying to tell ourselves what we are experiencing, and we use words to do it. When we have an experience that goes beyond words, one of the things that's happening is that for a brief time, our silent sense of self, out of the right side of the brain, is the one that's on top of our consciousness. Our normal sense of self has to give way. In crude terms, our normal sense of self feels under attack. The things it's learned, it's defense mechanisms, it's tastes and habits, slowly become irrelevant as we have more altered state experiences. Also, a great deal of our identities comes from the thoughts we have had about ourselves. In many ways, we think ourselves into being who we are, or rather who we are unconsciously pretending we are. When our silent sense of self is given the chance to emerge, it shows us that we are not what we think we are.

Because we are a social species, and each person requires an identity in the eyes of those around us, our feelings of being safe in human company depends on our identifying with a role. Normally our sense of our own identity is very important to us when the silent sense of self keeps emerging until our awareness tends to shatter that feeling of knowing who we are. The sense of self that appears in normal states of consciousness, the one that thinks in words and relates to others, is the self that suicide seems to destroy. The more your silent self emerges the more useless your linguistic self will feel

This self B is you, but it is also what you would think of as "subconscious" or "the genius"

Why can't I tap into this self B more often

The irony is that you can and do. The problem lies in that because you associate yourself most the time with Self A, and because self A thinks in terms of language. The experiences self B has in the infinite and in its plane of existence is incompatible with the limitations and self imposed boundaries of language. So when you try to recall a dream from when you were sleeping and self B is dominate, it is hard because the experience from the right side of the brain must travel to the left and be repackaged into your thinking language so you can comprehend it.

Because all the information that ever exists or existed can be stored in magnetic information, our right brain has the ability to process this info. The phenomena of telekinesis or intuition or psychics or remote viewing, may only be our left brains tapping into the knowledge that is stored in our right brains.

If I am right, what Chaol refers to as the dream world, is merely the right side of our brains. And the bridge he speaks of CAN ONLY BE a new language that is more basic so that one can translate the infinite into something comprehensible.

Now we know what it is we are looking for and trying to accomplish I believe things will get easier. There are several techniques and strategies that help to engage the right side of the brain and help to build the bridge. (Though nothing would work as well as a new more basic all inclusive language)

For more information, this movie is a must see in order to get a stronger grasp on the science. And of course feel free to ask me any questions as it will help me to elaborate further.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I guess I'm going to have to abandon one of my Genius maps. (I agreed with Chaol to only have 2 Genius maps going right now.) Anyway, the climate here is in a disaster that looks like it will only get worse unless I do something, LOL!

I posted Genius maps re: climate disasters but Choal didn't answer them. I don't know how to interpret why he didn't answer (because it could be he just missed the post). Instead, I'm posting a Genius here and would like input. Thanks.

Desired Perception: Green grass, trees, lakes full of water.

Genius Map Intent: Ticket for new pair of rubber rain boots

Symbol:bottle cap wrapped in twine with bits of cotton in it.

Space: Street in biggest 4-way intersection by my house.

Interaction: Cars, joggers, weather.

Logic: Mark spreadsheet with ./ every time my rain gauge has 3" in one day. Do 3 jumping jacks real fast whenever there is 3" of rain, 2 days in a row. Talk like Tweety Bird and say, "I tought I taw a puddy tat in a puddle." when I see a news report that says the drought is over.

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

How do you integrate what Chaol teaches us, which is to change the geometry of the space between brain cells and the rest of this information on the brain?

Quoting: U3

Are you sure that's what he said? :P

The article is consistent with Chaol's teachings and reaffirms there is "nothing" there :).

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Thanks for the article Jesse, It'll be interesting to read his upcoming articles.

Below is about the nootka language and is interesting

Some languages are structured around quite different basic word- categories and relationships. They project very different pictures of the basic nature of reality as a result. The language of the Nootka Indians in the Pacific Northwest, for example, has only one principle word-category; it denotes happenings or events. A verbal form like “eventing” might better describe this word-category, except that such a form doesn’t sound right in English, with its emphasis on noun forms. We might think of Nootka as composed entirely of verbs, except that they take no subjects or objects as English verbs do. The Nootka, then, perceive the world as a stream of transient events, rather than as the collection of more or less permanent objects which we see. Even something which we see clearly as a physical object, like a house, the Nootka perceive of as a long-lived temporal event. The literal English translation of the Nootka concept might be something like “housing occurs;” or “it houses.What we are observing is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning. And how do we question? All of our methods of interrogating nature depend on language—and it is the very nature of language to refer to things. We therefore think in terms of things. How can we possibly think of nonthings, nothings, nothing? In our very forms of thought we instinctively divide the world into subjects and objects, thinkers and things, mind and matter. This division seems so natural that it has been presumed a basic maxim of objective science.

reality is the way we experience it, which is rarely how it actually is. And our experience of reality is largely a function of our beliefs about reality, how reality occurs for us, and the language we use to describe reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

I don't know, Jesse. And I sure don't know how to explain much of it. I have plenty of questions about all of it, too.

But, I do feel most of what Chaol teaches and recommends, is to train (not sure if this is the correct word but I'll go with it) the brain, so it is receptive.

How all this works doesn't interest me as much as knowing what works. So, thanks for sharing your understanding of all of it.

I can't really make a good comment, just observations from my time here.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Me...ac 32525250...

Yes, one of them is Chaol...I haven't posted but once before but I've read all 300+ pages of 'his' threads since November and I can't explain how much I've changed...I love reading this "knowledge" and implementing it my life...I'm trying not to have these attachments but its hard...

PLEASE DO NOT STOP THIS THREAD...even if you don't want to participate ( like me usually) others LEARN just from reading your individual perspectives....Jesse & U3 especially...

Just a lurker but I'm getting there...

Funny after I posted I was 'sad' I put on Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse of Reason, and went to sleep...I guess the vibrations made me 'feel' better...

Everyone thanks Chaol (and I do too) but without the rest of you (JESSE & Unit3 especially) I wouldn't have 'learned' anything...

On another note, anyone else notice as you start to learn EC regular language (English for me) doesn't seem to work anymore...I'm not even good at it yet but now that I'm 'thinking' in EC language doesn't serve me much purpose...I'm really interested in you Jesse, cause I read you have this up at your work and I believe you might be with me in 'thinking' in EC, even if not 'speaking' it....

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Thanks for the article Jesse, It'll be interesting to read his upcoming articles.

Below is about the nootka language and is interesting

Some languages are structured around quite different basic word- categories and relationships. They project very different pictures of the basic nature of reality as a result. The language of the Nootka Indians in the Pacific Northwest, for example, has only one principle word-category; it denotes happenings or events. A verbal form like “eventing” might better describe this word-category, except that such a form doesn’t sound right in English, with its emphasis on noun forms. We might think of Nootka as composed entirely of verbs, except that they take no subjects or objects as English verbs do. The Nootka, then, perceive the world as a stream of transient events, rather than as the collection of more or less permanent objects which we see. Even something which we see clearly as a physical object, like a house, the Nootka perceive of as a long-lived temporal event. The literal English translation of the Nootka concept might be something like “housing occurs;” or “it houses.What we are observing is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning. And how do we question? All of our methods of interrogating nature depend on language—and it is the very nature of language to refer to things. We therefore think in terms of things. How can we possibly think of nonthings, nothings, nothing? In our very forms of thought we instinctively divide the world into subjects and objects, thinkers and things, mind and matter. This division seems so natural that it has been presumed a basic maxim of objective science.

reality is the way we experience it, which is rarely how it actually is. And our experience of reality is largely a function of our beliefs about reality, how reality occurs for us, and the language we use to describe reality.

Quoting: dodec 20177375

Chaol is big on language. Do you remember the link to the book on language? He posted it twice.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Me...ac 32525250...

Yes, one of them is Chaol...I haven't posted but once before but I've read all 300+ pages of 'his' threads since November and I can't explain how much I've changed...I love reading this "knowledge" and implementing it my life...I'm trying not to have these attachments but its hard...

PLEASE DO NOT STOP THIS THREAD...even if you don't want to participate ( like me usually) others LEARN just from reading your individual perspectives....Jesse & U3 especially...

Just a lurker but I'm getting there...

Funny after I posted I was 'sad' I put on Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse of Reason, and went to sleep...I guess the vibrations made me 'feel' better...

Everyone thanks Chaol (and I do too) but without the rest of you (JESSE & Unit3 especially) I wouldn't have 'learned' anything...

On another note, anyone else notice as you start to learn EC regular language (English for me) doesn't seem to work anymore...I'm not even good at it yet but now that I'm 'thinking' in EC language doesn't serve me much purpose...I'm really interested in you Jesse, cause I read you have this up at your work and I believe you might be with me in 'thinking' in EC, even if not 'speaking' it....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32525250

Wow! Thanks so much for posting this. I know just how you feel. When Chaol told us he was leaving, I got really depressed. I had looked so forward to him being back so we could talk with him. It hit pretty hard when he said he was leaving again so soon.

I didn't try to fight the depression or cover it, though. I just allowed the feeling and now it's gone. It didn't take long either. In fact, I'm pretty happy, which surprises me.

Anyway, it helps me to read his threads when he's gone because it kinda seems like he is here. And he is in a way. Even though we can't ask him questions of him, it helps to keep this thread going. It's nice to have each other.

So thanks for letting us know because I feel kinda bad hogging the thread so much, LOL! Btw, I'm not even trying not to have attachments to this right now. I'm addicted, plain and simple. I'm more concerned with the attachments to the dream life than attachments to this knowledge.

Please post any time you want. You aren't really a lurker anymore. ;o) And hugz!