I have made no claims that are not backed up by the best in the world. As many know...Karo and Gokor had a huge falling out...I was caught in a loyalty issue...I removed myself from Hayastan...and spoke NO ill of Gokor...so Neil talking to that side of the wall is not fair to me...Karo and Manvel will not say a bad word about me...and yes...the problems with Karo and Gokor affected Karo and Manvel too...so THINK people...I still have some HIGH level people from Hyastan...that will vouch for me and my person...GRAPPLER is one of them...he was Original ADCC with Phrost, Me, Oracle, etc., and has his own Black Belts signed by Gene and Gokor...so again...Neil, and sambo steve...NAME THE TIME AND PLACE. YOU CAN BOTH FIGHT ME TWO AGAINST ONE.

OK, I spoke with Sheldon Marr at this number. He verifies that Steve Arce is 4th dan in Judo under him, and has been since 1996. I'm not sure what the basis for JudoSensei's claim is, but it seems to have been contradicted.

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OK, I spoke with Sheldon Marr at this number. He verifies that Steve Arce is 4th dan in Judo under him, and has been since 1996. I'm not sure what the basis for JudoSensei's claim is, but it seems to have been contradicted.

great! Can we get some kind of official statement from him? Or would he be willing to come and post himself?