Culture Is Downstream From Politics

Daryush "Roosh" Valizadeh created ROK in October 2012. You can visit his blog at RooshV.com or follow him on Twitter and Facebook.

A popular expression these days is “politics is downstream from culture,” which was said by the late Andrew Breitbart. While it is certainly true, the reverse is also true. Culture and politics are deeply intertwined, affecting each other proportionally within an escalating feedback loop.

Where did game come from? In a recent podcast, I explained with a guest that game was a direct reaction to feminism, which was a top-down political effort by the elites, such as the CIA, to employ women (to lower the price of labor) and to destroy the traditional family unit (to make women dependent on elite-controlled institutions instead of men). Game was an effective individual response that helped push new political action in the form of “rape culture,” which attempted to allow most instances of sex to be defined as rape. The game reaction to that is to avoid leftist women, record sexual encounters, or expatriate. The leftists will react to that in due time, perhaps forcing a man to date certain woman like a Christian baker is forced to bake cakes for homosexuals.

Where did the alt right come from? It is a direct reaction to a high number of non-white immigrants to the United States, which began with the 1965 Immigration Law. The culture of pepe, cuck-shaming, and a white ethno-state is the 50-year delayed response to one law. The rise of the alt right affected politics by helping elect Donald Trump as President while introducing many dissident figures to the mainstream. The political reaction of trying to shut them all down is ongoing.

From every dissident reaction came before it a law that was created in response to a previous cultural reaction, which was formed from an even older political reaction. This chain of causality can be traced back to the first society in a process resembling a Hegelian Dialectic of action clashing with reaction to form a synthesis that will then collide with another action. Everything is connected from the beginning of man, and what we do today will have ripple effects for the remainder of humanity.

What’s interesting to note is that feminism and immigration to the Western world was disproportionately promoted and enabled by Jews. Therefore in the case of modern dissident movements, a more apt saying would be “reaction is downstream from Jewish action.” If you are to believe that Jews are at the top of most Western institutions, dissident movements are a reaction to their power.

The life of an elite Jew is to control the non-Jew through both cultural and political means. The non-Jew responds and then the Jew adapts to that response. The lives of Jews and non-Jews are therefore inexorably tied together. Understand that any attempt to control something external to you means that you are also being controlled by it, since your existence becomes primarily a response to the external. The fact that the behavior of a Jew is at least 95% identical to that of a non-Jew is testament to that.

I respect the late Andrew Breitbart and the work he did into jump-starting the dissident right, but I believe he missed the other part of the equation of how strongly politics, particularly laws, influence culture. If I stop and think of my life, it is primarily a result of laws surrounding immigration (hence my birth to Middle Eastern immigrants in the USA) and feminism (hence my foray into game). My “culture” would be rather different in the absence of these two forces, and that’s assuming I would even have come into existence at all.

The leftists will react to that in due time, perhaps forcing a man to date certain woman like a Christian baker is forced to bake cakes for homosexuals.

Leftists are already trying to shame me that refuse to date trannies. Combine that with some of the aggressive anti “hate speech” laws and its not that far off to think refusing to date a tranny would be hate speech that subjects you to some criminal punishment.

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And that fact is hugely disturbing that men could be better at being women than women…I cant imagine men being better bitches than bitches, BUUUUUUT they are surprising good at it, and denying that they are bitches, and better bitches…..

You know I have wondered the same thing. What would happen if women decided that sexual orientation was just a social construct? Would they be justified in making gay guys work for them in the same way that hetero men are treated?

It is important to note that in the jewish mind, all gentiles are satans(adversaries) which their god put here either by mistake(according to the kaballah) or as a stumbling block which they must overcome.

So gentiles and the gentile world(our culture and peoples who aren’t jewish) is literally Hell in the jewish sense. Their concept of hell is completely different from the christian one. In fact considering the Hegelian dialectic which has been mentioned, this kind of dualism you will find throughout their holy books.

In genesis the term elohim is feminine and plural denoting many gods. Christianity and judaism can be seen as two sides of the same coin in the sense that Judaism is for jews(ethnocentrism, parasitic behavior) while christianity is the judaic worldview that is kosher for gentiles(love thy neighbor, resist not evil, hate your family).

For further proof that the jewish god of the old testament and the god of the new testament are completely different gods, you can hear it from a rabbi himself in regards to the jewish concept of satan.

“So gentiles and the gentile world(our culture and peoples who aren’t jewish) is literally Hell in the jewish sense”

to my knowledge that is only the case in the kabbalah, where holy sparks from the broken vessels become trapped in the qliphoth. The ‘raising of the sparks’ then becomes a holy task. This is associated with the idea of tikkun olam, which whether it is understand correctly or not is usually seen by jews (particularly progressive young jews) as involving supporting progressive causes and social justice generally (whether that is how an expert kabbalist would understand it is another thing). I would say that for most of these leftist types, many of whom would be described as ‘secular’ jews, satan or the equivalent would simply not come into it

Politics influences culture more than you think. Consider, for example, the current cultural mindset that healthcare is a right, that the government should provide free healthcare for some or all of its citizens. That was not born independently out of the culture… that came from politics.

‘ Consider, for example, the current cultural mindset that healthcare is a right, that the government should provide free healthcare for some or all of its citizens. That was not born independently out of the culture.’

OK

Let’s try to not chicken ‘n egg this sucker…..

Biology is the original root.

It is a biological ‘mindset’ that causes people to imagine that medical resources are somehow a ‘right’.
They imagine they can vote someone into providing medical resource that their $ abilities would not supply.
The incoherence of demands for ‘free’ medical resource comes from female voters.
Their biological ‘logic’ puts health resource into a ‘non-rational’ category.

“It is a biological ‘mindset’ that causes people to imagine that medical resources are somehow a ‘right’.”

I disagree. I think that that the mindset that healthcare is something the government is supposed to provide has come from direct and indirect political action over a long course of time. In American, at least, t went from something that people were responsible for themselves, to a “perk” given to employees by employers, to a “right” that employees expected from employers, to a “right” for employees enforced by the government on employers, to a “right” provided by the government to certain unemployed citizens, to a “right” that everyone expects the government to provide to them (either directly or through employers).

However, if the theory holds; then female access to medical resources will be a biologically derived issue.

Thus,

‘Gender differences in health care expenditures, resource utilization, and quality of care.
SUMMARY:
Women tend to use significantly more services and spend more health care dollars than men. The greatest disparity in health care spending between men and women has been noted in the population aged 45 to 64 years. In this age group, women’s health issues primarily revolve around chronic conditions and menopausal symptoms.’

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
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I might be easier to interpret both the contemporary political and cultural trends
as a sophisticated tribal warfare between Jews and non-Jewish Europeans.
Rooted in evolutionary differences.
You can`t really blame the Jews for pressing their advantage of high intelligence and ability manipulate. It`s an evolutionary niche really.

It`s too bad we can`t come to an understanding (that has to be based on biology) in order to cooperate rather than fighting each other using various weapons, from social engineering to blunt force.

Politics is downstream from culture in the sense that certain political systems can only work – and sometimes can only be conceptualized – within certain cultural frameworks. For example, communism was tried on a grand scale by only two cultures – Russia (or the Former Soviet Union) and China. It certainly had its adherents in other parts of the world but it was only implemented in those two countries. Why only there? What is it about Chinese and Russian culture that made them susceptible to this political philosophy? What is it about Chinese culture that has allowed them to continue with centralized planning and a (supposed) end to private ownership of capital for going on 70 years? Consider the level of cooperation, groupthink, subsuming of self interest, and trust in authority that is required to get a movement like this off the ground and functioning for a nation that large. Can anyone for a moment think that the same could have happened in say, 19th century America, or Africa at any time in history?

Other political philosophies are the same. Libertarianism, for instance, is a system that could only have sprung from the minds of men of Western European descent. No other culture combines a respect for fair play, individualism, and personal responsibility with an almost willful disregard for human nature. I have never heard of any other culture, in either the present or the past, that has attempted anything like libertarianism. Similarly, the most authoritarian, brutal regimes in Africa seem to be the only successful ones, if by successful we can say that the country has at least a semblance of law and order. And yet their rulers are blatantly corrupt, incompetent, and seem to have at best a tenuous legitimacy to rule. Most Westerners (and people from South or Central America) would immediately revolt if they lived under a similar system.

Yes, politics influences culture to an extent. But in my opinion culture has by far a greater impact on politics.

“Talking to family today, we regard so much of modern British governance as basically a banana republic.” Big difference between the British government and a banana republic is that the Brits have incredible legitimacy coupled with competence. At least for now. They are becoming increasingly incompetent and I think that will ultimately spell their downfall. It will here in America as well. The American government is completely incapable of handling a crisis on the magnitude of the Great Depression, or WWII. It would dissolve.

‘Big difference between the British government and a banana republic is that they have incredible legitimacy coupled with competence.’

Yes, for all my life until recently.

‘At least for now. They are becoming increasingly incompetent and I think that will ultimately spell their downfall.’

Bulls-eye.

That’s the issue.

From today’s chat, ”I see so many middle aged women in Management who are utterly useless and they honestly do not realise. They float around on a sea of delusion regarding their basic abilities. Local Government, Police, Courts, Education. Same everywhere,’

Our politicians announce policies and change then in days if twitters says so (self employed tax rates in Spring).

This is how competent and serious the Deputy Leader of the Opposition is…….

‘Better democracy than UK: Diane Abbott sparks fury again with praise for Venezuela’

I think libertarianism takes human nature into account rather than wilfully disregarding it. When one is required to perform in a free market their self interest makes them do a better job or they go out of business. So there is incentive to serve others. It is socialism that disregards human nature and mistakenly believes that men can be conditioned to abandon their desire for status, power and money. Then fall in lock step with the government and end up killing and imprisoning anyone who disagrees with their ideology.

“When one is required to perform in a free market their self interest makes them do a better job or they go out of business.”

OK, well that takes into account the approximately 10% of the population who own their own businesses and make decisions based on market forces. In the real world, people do not always act rationally and indeed do not always act in their best interest.

Libertarianism CAN work, on a small scale and in racially/culturally homogeneous societies. But eventually there is a crisis of some kind, human nature wins out and people willingly elect a strongman. In the best of circumstances there is a system in place to remove the strongman when he starts acting against the will of the people.

Oh, free market principles apply in the general labor force as well. I have done quite well by doing a better job than the next guy in corporate America and even within the confines of a labor union. Unions are very socialistic, but there is still an advantage in providing better skills and higher quality work than the next guy. There are a lot of different “markets” out there such as the labor market, the sexual market, specialized skills, etc. Where people tend to drift away from performing well to ensure their own self interests are met is where they don’t have to; as in union jobs, government, regulated industries and so on. So even though I know that by getting along with my superiors, doing a good job, going above and beyond within a union environment will not get me any more pay or vacation than the sluggard who drags his feet and stirs up trouble, it does give me other advantages over him, within the limits of what supervision is allowed to do.

True libertarianism, like true communism or true democracy is indeed a myth because some people will always be looking for an angle and will create a crisis, if need be, so they can take over. Then what you have is dictatorship, as you pointed out, not libertarianism. No matter what, there will always be people who do not want to compete or even work. Once you establish a system where they can get on the dole and other people, who would compete otherwise, see this a certain number of them will jump on the bandwagon of “free money” too. We have that problem right now whether we are talking about government employees or welfare recipients.

I know able bodied, intelligent men with skills and work experience that are on disability. Why? Because they got tired of working, paying in and watching land whales pop out feral crotch fruit on their dime. Since they couldn’t fix it and weren’t wealthy, they went Galt the only way they could: on the government teat with “back pain.” They’re out fishing while I’m out working and government allows this. If we were to do away with this early retirement plan, many of them would be back at work tomorrow!

But just because we can’t have a truly libertarian government or anarcho-capitalist society doesn’t mean the we shouldn’t attempt to implement some of those principles. I have ideals, but I am also quite pragmatic about this. Just because you’ll never fully implement a libertarian system (outside of a small group) doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to implement or restore its best features on a larger scale.

As far as China is concerned, their culture has been autocratic for thousands of years and has always emphasized a “harmonious society” espoused by their most eminent philosopher Confucius. Also pay special attention to this particular concept:

Especially the Emperor to Subject one. Communism became appealing to the average Chinese person at the time because it meant to abolish this strict and oppressive social hierarchy that had existed for thousands of years there. It also took hold in China because the Guo Min Dang / Kuo Min Tang (Nationalist Party) that was running China in the 1920s was completely corrupt and inept. The US tried to help the Nationalists regain control of China after WW2 but Mao’s forces eventually won. The Nationalists then fled to Taiwan and only weren’t wiped out because the US Navy prevented Mao’s forces from crossing the Taiwan Straits.

No problem. To understand Classical Chinese culture, you MUST understand Confucius and his writings at a minimum. His most famous work is “the Analects.” Anything by Lao Zi is also important as well, especially “the Book of Changes.”

This is ingrained not just in Chinese culture, but also Korea’s, Japan’s, and Vietnam’s. Any country that had long term social, economic, and political ties with China will have some form of this. Actually, it’s the most important thing to understand when dealing with the East Asian countries. Loss of Face in their cultures is tantamount to social suicide.

Since Taylor Swift is idolized by tens of millions of young women worldwide (not to mention a shitload of beta males), this can only lead to many of those same women mimicking their idol and suing basically any guy they decide they might want to sue, for similar reasons, and based on totally fabricated assertions (like the guys who they wish would pay attention to them and/or grope them, but don’t).

In the female mind, it would probably play out like this: “Oh, Taylor is suing a guy for groping her and she is getting lots of attention and she can virtue-signal and act cool – I want attention, too, and cash!”

In the beta male mind, it would probably play out like this: “Oh, that guy over there is groping the girl I want to fuck! I will come to the rescue and suggest she sue the hell out of him! Maybe I’ll get to hold hands with her???”

You could say that this is a crystalline example of culture being downstream from politics, since the elite and their lawmakers want to criminalize virtually everything under the sun and/or control virtually everybody’s behavior (most especially the behavior of men).

We already know she likes to screw with people. Remember that whole nonsense with… haha some insignificant celebrity singer? 😀 Turns out little Swift was lying about it all and recordings proved it. Whoops!

America is different. Everything in America seems to be predicated by politics/economics and the resultant ideologies of these interests.There’s no separate and stratified “cultures” that are remote or completely detached from political and economic interests in the States.

In Europe, there’s loads of interests that are completely removed from popular ideologies on the internet for example. Bull fighting in Spain, Fox Hunting in Ireland, Local Opera festivals in Italy that don’t bend to PC changes etc Even the movement that started in America where feminists demanded that the key characters in some of Beckett’s plays could be acted by women, despite the writer’s explicit instructions to never allow this to occur, the movement’s appeal was defeated in defense of authenticity to the writer’s wishes. In the States, all of the above would be banned or made PC because of online petitions backed up by trendy commercial interests. America has a largely homogenized culture that’s barely separated ever from political and economic concerns.

Interesting and rather forthright article. Firstly I agree with the premise: that there culture and politics are both downstream from each other and perhaps that particularly to the extent that it is de-emphasised that it is culture that is downstream from politics. There are obvious reasons for this. Firstly we live in a formal democracy (or equivalent) and power is supposed to rise up from the ground, from the masses for any form of governance to be legitimate, and secondly it is only by persuading that masses that they are themselves authors of change that change can be undemocratically foisted upon people. This is why Soros and the like fund “grass-roots” organisations to simulate a groundswell of popular feeling and also why economists and bankers talk about ‘market’s finding their own level, or about ‘price discovery’ when it is becoming increasingly obvious that in important ways (compared to previous decades at least) we live in a command economy, where the slightest pronouncement from the fed, or from Trump etc, will lead to an unswing or downswing in some or other market.

“reaction is downstream from Jewish action.” If you are to believe that Jews are at the top of most Western institutions, dissident movements are a reaction to their power.” / The life of an elite Jew is to control the non-Jew through both cultural and political means. The non-Jew responds and then the Jew adapts to that response. The lives of Jews and non-Jews are therefore inexorably tied together. Understand that any attempt to control something external to you means that you are also being controlled by it, since your existence becomes primarily a response to the external

The secondary statement is extremely blunt, perhaps too much so, but it places in the public realm, an hypothesis that many have considered, whether to accept or reject. I would say an important qualifier is that while elite jewish activists, and organisations have often been extremely influential in a way that simply does not get acknowledged in the mainstream as it should be, it is probably true that many elite change agents appear to be gentile and full collaborators in these leftist / utopian projects (e.g. feminism / immigration) and that elites, both jewish and gentile are often quite happy for ordinary jews to take the flak for actions that are taken at an almost completely non-accountable level. I probably walked past a dozen orthodox jewish families at the seaside today. All of them were traditional families, with no obvious signs of feminism etc., however they may or may not vote. It is these guys who the elites at the top are completely happy to drop into hot water.

As for the cat and mouse game, the action / reaction, between jew and gentile, that’s harder to say. I wouldn’t characterise quite like that. I have heard it said recently (I can’t remember where) that cabalist jews may see themselves as performing the male ‘active’ function – acting on a society that in this image is feminine and receptive. If that reading is correct and has any justification then there is in a sense a consciously ‘gendered’ relationship between the political actor at the top (jewish or otherwise) and the people below, even as the opposite direction of influence is argued for. While this is a danger of generalising such a scenario (which risks self-postulating as a conspiracy theory) someone like Soros, the alchemist, easily fulfils such a schema, as do any number of other players, many of whom are jewish. As some are not jewish I would say limit the claims to the visible – there is no paucity of jewish billionaires and oligarchs who appear to be functioning in very similar ways – the sumners, the kantors, even zuckerbergs and google guys could be described thus. What is not so easy to back up would be the idea that such influential jewish guys have any specific intention of ‘managing’ non jews. I would say that it would be fairer in most instances to say that people like zuckerberg and bryn / page etc are happy to influence everybody, and are in a position to do that. I doubt there is any conscious intention let alone verbalisation of any intention of ‘managing’ gentiles. That would probably be true also of Soros, who however egregious he may be, is probably in his own way quite idealistic. I would be less charitable of the likes of Moshe Kantor, of the ADL and SPLC. These are jewish elites / elites organisations who are effectively placing themselves in a position where they are seeking to manage the thought and speech of (mainly) gentiles. That they may cast such action in terms of self-defence doesn’t change that.

I don’t know if it’s because I’m sort of out of the loop in Italy or what but….

More and more all this American political stuff just sounds like static. If that makes any sense. None of it really matters, we can’t change it (unless somebody wants to talk real revolution). Increasingly I find myself questioning the point of even caring about it all. 🙂

If people knew the true history of communism – a jewish movement stemming from a myriad of historical jewish isolation in europe and the occult agendas of secret societies – things would be different. Russian Bolshevism was overwhelmingly Jewish and most Europeans at the time knew this (See Winston Churchill on Zionism https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism). The Nazi’s, though extremists in their own right, were merely RE – acting to the threat of the Jewish Communists, as Roosh pointed out. Communism was by far the greater of the two evil.

It’s all about the scale we’re using for our time. Things will change, but very slowly. Sometimes one step too much, forwards or backwards. The funny thing is, you’ll watch it for decades and never notice a change. Then again, you recall “30 years ago” and everything was almost radically different. Human evolution is sort of magical. And we as individuals are only a component, necessary, but irrelevant, telescopic observers.

Depends what you mean by disproportionately. If you mean they are a larger percentage of the intellectual class pushing feminism then they are in the population of a whole, that would be correct. If you wish to imply the Jews are the majority of that class, you would be incorrect.

Yupp.. If you have any children ?? Then teach them, Mandarin, Cantonese & Russian ??..BTW Here in Aus they were pushing in school “Indonesian” ?? Not Mandarin, or Cantonese , but to be seen as being politically correct, Indonesian ??
My daughter when she was going to school;, over 30 years ago (Private School BTW) was offered Indonesian as a second language & she asked me, what was my opinion of that offer ?? Told her, what use it will be to you, unless you were going to emigrate to Indonesia ?? So then she has taken the second option, French .. BTW only 2 option then ??

The Western world is DOOMED. My grandchildren are Gen Z, I don’t see their generation living in a world where Western civilization is dominant, they might rebel against the Marxist garbage being hurled at them, but that is from a perspective of being oppressed, not from a position where they and authority figures share some kind of respect.
Maybe its best they learn an Asian language, given how the West is just ruined.

I’m of the same mind like you ?? Today’s generation Z or whatever it’s called, the main priority is to get the latest Apple I-Phone 8 , the latest tattoo on their body, & being hip ?? When the Shit will hit the fan, there will be a modern Darwinism, the culling of the useless eaters ??

And to see how bad the cultural zeitgeist is with the prevailing political milieu-they’re debating giving faggots the right to marry in Australia. The feckless government won power on the basis they would put it to a vote and were nearly strong armed by rogue members to put it to a political vote internally thus effectively destroying an administration over such an inane non-issue.

The initiative to put it to a public vote was rejected again and may go to a postal vote. If the government had a pair of balls it would end things and say it will never contemplate this idiocy and get on with sorting things. It’s absolutely lunacy.

This is pure polemic, window-dressed with a smattering of spurious academic allusions.
No evidence or facts are given to support the assertion ‘immigration to the Western world was disproportionately promoted and enabled by Jews’,… and, you would have thought, when making such a sweeping generalisation, the author would be keen to back up his statement with reference to relevant data and evidence. The absence of an evidenced argument suggests that this article is no more than polemic; and statements presented as fact are no more than the personal views borne of spiteful prejudice.
WIth regards to the supposition that if laws concerning feminism and immigration didn’t exist, the author’s ‘culture’ wouldn’t have formed in opposition to them, and would be different… In this hypothetical scenario, I agree that the specific aspects of his ‘culture’ developed in opposition would be different,..
However, I have a strong impression that the core aspects of his ‘culture’ and the defining qualities of his character would remain largely unchanged. Whilst character and culture are developed over the years, temperament and personality are largely formed at an early age. Whatever unresolved misfortune befell the author at a tender age, making him acutely conscious of ‘not fitting in’, would remain the source of his fear and social awkwardness; and this discomfort would continue to fuel his vindictive anger and the bullying of those who don’t conform to the narrow perception of what he considers ‘normal / Alpha’.
Consequently, in the absence of laws on feminism and immigration, I’m pretty sure the author would have found something else to be afraid of, denigrate and scapegoat, as a means of disguising his own feelings of inadequacy and defensiveness. He should ‘ease up’ and stop being so hard on himself; wishing his ‘perceived’ bugbears never existed is the not solution to his pain.

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