S. Sudan president upholds rejection of rebel demands for ceasefire

January 16, 2014 (JUBA) - South Sudanese president Salva Kiir Mayardit has reiterated that he will not agree to release political detainees until all due legal processes have been completed, as specified under the transitional constitution, his office said on Thursday.

South Sudanese president Salva Kiir has steadfastly maintained he is not willing to negotiate with rebel forces over the release of political detainees currently being held in connection to an alleged coup attempt on 15 December (AP)

The comments come as peace talks currently underway in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, aimed at reaching a ceasefire agreement between the two warring parties remain deadlocked, amid disagreement over the release of the prisoners.

Meanwhile the head of the government delegation to the IGAD sponsored talks with the rebels, Nhial Deng Nhial, has returned to Juba along with the minister of information, Michael Makuei Lueth, for more consultations with the government officials in Juba.

“The government has said time and again it is committed to peaceful dialogue with the rebel group so that this situation gets out of the way so that we begin to open a new page. This position has not changed. We are committed to this principle, and expect the other side to reciprocate”, South Sudan’s deputy foreign affairs minister”, Peter Bashir Gbandi, said .

PRECONDITIONS “UNACCEPTABLE”

“Unfortunately, the other side is raising conditions which are unacceptable”, he added.

The South Sudanese government has continued to defy mounting international pressure to release the detainees, which include the ruling party’s former secretary-general, Pagan Amum.

Gbandi said his government will not be swayed by demands set by rebel forces as preconditions for ceasefire negotiations.

“Despite assurances of our commitment to peaceful dialogue so that these issues are resolved amicably as brothers and sisters, we are being given conditions that we release political detainees first before [the] ceasefire is affected”, said Gbandi, adding that no other government in the world would agree to such terms.

“Since they are believed to have played a critical role, they cannot just be released simply [because] there is a pressure. Legal processes and procedures have to be followed according to the constitution”, he added.

NO PROGRESS

Meanwhile, presidential spokesperson Ateny Wek Ateny confirmed that no progress had been made in negotiations for a cessation of hostilities.

He maintained the government would only release officials currently behind bars once all necessary legal procedures and processes had been completed.

Ateny has also accused pro-Machar rebels of being a “glove-puppet” to foreign governments, without elaborating further.

He criticised rebel forces of using the political prisoners had no bearing on the root causes of the current conflict in South Sudan and therefore the matter should not be used as a precondition to drive the agenda of peace talks.

“The rebels are becoming [a] puppet of some western countries. They are now raising conditions which were not the cause of the rebellion. They are asking for the release of the political detainees, lifting the state of emergency and the withdrawal of the Ugandan troops”, said Ateny, emphasising that the government would not accept such conditions

HOPES FOR PEACE DEAL

Meanwhile, the government’s lead negotiator, Nhial Deng Nhial, has expressed some optimism for a peaceful resolution to the current crisis, saying the two sides continued to show willingness to sign an agreement on the cessation of hostilities, despite ongoing stumbling blocks which continue to derail the talks.

“We are hopeful that these talks produce desirable results. There is [an] intense process that is going on with the aim of exploring [the] best options and possibilities to expedite a possible ceasefire”, said Nhial.

“Yes, there are reservations, but we are working with our partners and other actors to see that they are overcome. The other side insists on the release of the political detainees. They also want [the] state of emergency to be lifted in the two states of Jonglei and Unity. There are other issues”, said Nhial.

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17 January 2014 07:28, by Mi diit

Incompetent Kiir, don’t release them and don’t withdraw your god-father’s forces of Uganda, but we will soon capture you in Juba in the presence of your foreign forces, coward!!!!

That’s good move Mr.Kiir.Lets them try their woman power and lets us try our man power to see who lost battle field.Riek demands release of detainees so that he can go and form his movement and put some as diplomates to run his policy outside.

Dear incompetent Salva Kiir,I hereby congratulating you idiot for rejected the three preconditions we have given you: release 11 political detainees,full withdrawal of UPDF from South Sudan territory,and lifting the state of emergency in both Unity State n Upper Nile State.Kiir Mayar,who do you think want the cessation of hostility now? Big No!Why hurry to sign the ceasefire while 4000 unarmed

Nuer civilians you had murdered in Juba on 15/12/13 dead bodies did not yet decomposed completely n were uncompensated? We the mighty Nuer warriors will have to retaliate n revenge first before we sign the final peace accord in South Sudan.At this stage,No cessation of hostility,No reconciliations,neither power sharing with your Dinka BEG genocidal government.We will continue fight u till u step d

Riek Machar want Uganda troops to withdraw so they can come and loot the shops and banks in Juba,no way ,no way,mere dreaming,equatorians children must go to school ,let you people be behind us equatorians,in Business,education,and development,see here is peace in Equatoria,only your towns Bor,Bentiu,Malakal,no peace,Riek Machar have distroyed investment ,more than 500 trucks and cars stollen.

Johndumo14,
So you cowards only depend on the foreign forces of Uganda to save you and make you maintain life in Juba. There is a bad news though, pro-democracy forces of Machar are coming to Juba soon with or without you Ugandans. See they are 90km away from Juba, matching far from Bor which is more than 200km. Do you see the sign now?

When the democratic elected president of Egypt was overthrow,many leaders around the world said ,the military ruler of egypt must release Mohamed morsi,the USA,France,UN and many others said the same thing ,now is opposite ,instead Morsi is still in prison to answer murder charges ,the same thing must apply to Riek Machar and his colleaques in prison must answer criminal charges,Good Job mr Kirr .

Johndumo14,
Maybe you don’t understand the reason behind the demands. We want the war to go on and remove Kiir. We don’t want a ceasefire. See, that is why we give Kiir the demand to release prisoners and withdraw UPDF so that if Kiir refuses it, we like it as the war will continue. I like it that Kiir refuses the demand. It makes it easier for us!!!!

Even on the first day in Juba fighting, it was the traitor Gen. James Hoth Mai and other bought Nuer generals who fought for you to secure Juba while your coward soldiers were free killing innocent Nuer civilians from house to house. You need some Nuer, Ugandans, Equatorians, etc to try to balance the war, otherwise you alone as Dinka would have been dealt with in a week time like women.

Coup attempt plus rebellion are heinous crimes which can not be taken lightly.Those who still dream of the release of coup plotters are lunatics and they should prepare for their funerals.Who will answer the death of 10,000 South Sudanese?

This is very dummy claim. And I wonder whether Kiir and his advisers understand the implication of their claim for legal process which cannot be separated from nation constitution which he (Kiir) has already violated by inviting foreign troops Ugandans to our land. Off course the thinking is set to cover the genocide against Nuer should the rebel thereafter be suppressed.

Ateny,
What is uganadan doing in ss? Protecting from Nuer who Dinka massacred in juba last month and helping Dinka massacre more Nuer? Are u not ashamed of making is childish statement "... They are asking for the release of the political detainees, lifting the state of emergency and the withdrawal of the Ugandan troops”. Look at the future man. How long Dinka will be protected by UPDF frm Nuer?

Choldit, and Mi diit,
What makes you fools think that Nuer pairs better against Dinka in War. The Ugandian soldiers were deployed for the specific purpose of protecting strategic areas from your coward militias whose intention are to loot and destroy aimlessly out of jealousy of knowing that Riek will never be a president in South Sudan. You fools should appreciate the Uganda soldiers presence...

as they’re protecting your tribe men and women from being slaughtered by angry Dinkas. In Western Uppernile (Unity State) you can check the video of the celebration after it was captured and see for yourselves who is celebrating. Please stop this foolish belligerence for the sake of your people. Year in and year out, many people from your society lose their lives through meaningless rebellion...

but only ended up excepting an amnesty in the end. You will not do well in this war as was the case historically. The Nuer of your types aren’t brave as you always claim. There has never been a historical proof to this false perception that the Nuer are the bravest in South Sudan. This pathetic illusion of attributing yourselves a false bravery will entail the a significant reduction of your...

population as it has done in the past. The problem is your Nuer kind don’t pay attention to history. You are only kin of distorting the narrative of history to fit your wishful aspiration which quite dangerous.

LL Reuben,
So you cowards who call yourself a government cannot even protect your installations and had to bring Ugandan forces to guide them for you from the Nuer warriors? How could the Nuer loot Juba if you cowards can successfully defend it? Ahahahahaaaaaaa......See, you are women to Nuer!!!

You talk of history? You read the Nuer conquest on how the Nuer were conquering Dinka lands, making them slaves until the British came to save them. Now without Ugandans we would have chased all of you to Congo. Cry for your god-fathers but soon they will understand the pain and leave you vulnerable to us. Look, just in one month you feel it, the next month there will be no Salva Kiir in Juba.

Even on the first day in Juba fighting, it was the traitor Gen. James Hoth Mai and other bought Nuer generals who fought for you to secure Juba while your coward soldiers were free killing innocent Nuer civilians from house to house. You need some Nuer, Ugandans, Equatorians, etc to try to balance the war, otherwise you alone as Dinka would have been dealt with in a week time like women.

LL,
How the Uganda troops will protect Nuer in those states where Nuer are the majority but not in Juba. Off course the opposite is true that Museveni is now your president and Kiir is his copy. The fact is our youth have met them in battle field more than eleven times now and the result is, museveni will be impeach in his first country for lying and die in his new founded country of S. South.

Tut Tut,
It’s only propagandized by the supporters of Riek Machar (you included) that Uganda soldiers participated in battles against Machar’s loyalist (forces) along side SPLA but there role was strictly in Juba were they are protecting business hub city of Juba where there interest is and especially anything affecting the Nimule-Juba road. That is all I can tell you.

LL,
Museveni has himself made it public Yesterday and today that his Uganda forces are directly involved in the conflict a long side with S.South forces. I would have to wonder whether Museveni is himself Dr. Machar’s supporter per this revelation. It seems those of you who still supporting this genocidal and tribal government of kiir are alien to reason at great extent.

Tut Tut,
This is an excerpt from the BBCnews to fulfill your wishful assumption on your quest to be recognized as brave...
"In a summit in Angola, Mr Museveni said: "Only the other day, 13 January, the SPLA [South Sudan army] and elements of our army had a big battle with these rebel troops at a point about 90 kilometres [55 miles] from Juba, where we inflicted a big defeat on them.

Bor is about 200 km from Juba let alone Bentiu and Malakal the specific towns were your primitives fools are fighting an aimless war. I told you that the Uganda soldiers are specifically deployed in Juba and surrounding to guard business mutually beneficiating Uganda and RSS. I am not a supporter of Salva Kiir but you better win this war or else he will be your master for few more years to come...

thanks to your adventurous and chaotic politics. It would not matter who is supporting who right now if you were a reasonable human and not retarded militia man who believe in fantasies and false prophecies of a 18th Century magician.

thanks to your chaotic and adventurous politics of which patient has never been essential part of your reasoning. Does it matters who is supporting who at this point since your group have already took matters into their own hands. I can understand your frustration but this is not the first time your idol Riek has blunders with his miscalculation in his politics...

so please spare the Uganda soldiers, they are not the reason you are loosing the war. You were destined for a lost because history don’t lie but unfortunately your likes never pay attention to history. So let’s go; your brave white army, Ngundeng prophecies on your side, and Riek’s PhD, they shall win you this war. Why cry constantly when you’re betting on divinity???

LL:BBC is not a Nuer media outlet so to frame info on our favor. What it air might hurt a great deal plus the revelation from Museveni who is now acting like a husband to your illiterate president. The truth is, this war is totally unnecessary if it is not the coward politicians of your like who have imposed it on us. And look how nervous they become just in weeks and cannot wash their under wears

LL:I wonder whether you have some formal education so to aide you understand the cause-effect relation.So to be be able to see yourself as an author for this chaotic war and come to term with the fact that The Nuer are acting in self-defense after they have been massacre by Kiir-Museveni Militias in Juba. Look at the behavior of Kiir and Museveni. Who is the president of S.South? WE will Win war.

LL Reuben,
You are a foolish liar, maybe born to lie. Or are you ashamed that you don’t have the capacity to fight the Nuer, even though some Nuer and Equatorians are with you? I watched Museveni on TV talking about his troops in war helping your ass, and read his speech too, it all over the news in Uganda, Kenya, Britain, USA, and here you want to lie and deny it like a kid. Shame on you cowards

Heey
what bravery are you talking about,look stop fooling yourself ,now you militia mafia whose life depends on looting , what your brothers did in Bentiu ,looting UN facilities , Ivory bank ,Equity bank,shops now you have tongue to talk,be shame, you mlitias setback our country, son of bitches militias

Choldit, put it this way, if juba was in bahr el ghazel, we wouldn’t want support from uganda despite defection of 58%% nuers in spla army, gelweng and remaining spla force would have been enough to safe guard the capital. The fact that bahr el ghazel remain off limit to nuer militias clearly indicate mighty of those states.

Hardliner,
We are coming to Bhar el Ghazal soon after security greater Upper Nile and greater Equatoria this month. Juba is nearer to Dinka territory such as Lakes state. Why do you need Ugandan help when the Nuer are very far in Bentiu, Upper Nile and Jonglei? The war will end in Bahr el Ghazal, the last cry will be in Bahr el Ghazal. You are yet to regret and curse Salva Kiir.

Mr. President
The constitution that was signed to law by you (Salva Kiir) should not be violated by you again, it will be the only grave mistake ever if you attempt to release these suspects, am wondering why the rebels are so worried of the detainees as if they are already found guilty, we need them first to be judged and released if innocent, period.
"Accused is innocent until proven guilty",

Th term suspect should not be used as a pretext of covering crimes against humanity as is currently the case of Nuer genocide in Juba. In fact the political detainees are not criminals nor did they violated an inch of S. South constitution. The prime suspect for crimes is Kiir himself plus his advisers who claim to be lawyers while in reality are not, which is another grave crime in itself.

I want you Nhial and Makuei maintain your position there is no way these politician should be release without charge although the West are behind rebels there is no war won by the west in foreign countries look at Iraq libya and Afaghnstan

Government is a government and the Rebel is a rebel.
How come to the government to accept the conditions presented by the rebel?
I aperciated His-Excellency the president for his role of rejecting the rebels claims.

Look, these Nuer are talking nonsene, in the ancient times there is Nuer defeated Dinka in the history! Listen you Nuers, we the Dinkas did not accept this war as a tribal war. We termed it as power struggle war. If Dinkas ’say Yes" i thinks, there will be no more Nuers to talks nonsene.

Ayiu,
Don’t lie. The Nuer have already defeated the Dinka and you are begging for Museveni to help you. Look dude, the gelweng Dinka militias which Kiir mobilized in thousands were the ones who massacred Nuer civilians in Juba. Is this not Dinka vs Nuer war. Come on you coward if you can face Nuer warriors, while you are only taught how to steal money than to fight a war. This is tribal war.

Also Dinka youth were mobilized in Juba and given guns to go to war as confirmed by the BBC reporter on the Juba-Bor road. Is this not a tribal war between Nuer and Dinka. Don’t feel ashamed that you can’t fight Nuer without Ugandans and other tribes of Equatoria. You did it in the past to bring British after the Nuer defeated you. Shame on you cowards who bring foreigners to rule the country.

Mi diit.
Make referene to your side at Riak he mobilized the youths even under fourteen year old are now currently fighting in Bor town and named them white army.
Look here the four states of Greater Bhar el Ghazal plus Bor Gelwong are not participating in fighting because it is usless war. Our time to accepte is not yet, it is war of powers struggle between president Kiir and rebel Riak Machar

Mi diit
This is not the first time for Nuer to be defeated by Dinka.Remember in 1991 all nuers were fighting a long side Arabs against SPLA and you were defeated till you begged for forgiveness.Imagine there are some primitive MPs from Nuer who phones people now and ask for salaries to be given to their families while they are in the bush.

Michael coma,
Don’t lie. In 1991 the Nuer never mobilized to fight the Dinka. They were only focusing on securing the right to self determination and made an agreement with Khartoum, but not to fight Dinka. This war is different. Nuer soldiers who are in Bahr el Ghazal are waiting for orders to start destroying your towns. The last cry will be in Bahr el Ghazal after Upper Nile & Equatoria!!!

You better say yes if there is another left for you beside the day time genocide committed against at expense of constitution and our national resources in the amount $4.7 billions used up for that purpose your president. If there is another greater evil "yes" has yet to say beside Uganda troops present in our land, then you better hurry up before it is too late, too useless.

Keep them in jail, one day will cry like a woman I like that no peace at all we don’t need peace even,but Kiir must died the same way he killing the innocents our fellow NUERLINEAGE time will come sooner let it no peace progress, as Ateny mentioned let Kiir died badly, I hears the voices of those whom had been kills,because of tribal line Kiir must fill the hole, just wait for the results

President Kirr has failed the people of S. Sudan in every way and form, we must not hide from the truth, because, if he was a competent and committed leader, he would have put a lid to all the major problems and issues that has dogged this presidency, for example, billions of development dollars are unaccounted for, no rule of law, and intimidation of the press ....His time is up, bye Kirr!

Eyez,
Well, let me tell u the truth concerning the stolen billion US Dollars. IN FACT THIS IS THE ROUTE CAUSE OF THE FAILED COUP WHICH RESULTED IN THE CURRENT BASELESS REBELLION.
US, EU and rest of the international community pressed H.E.president Kiir to take strong action against those involved in the scandal. His excellent the Pres.Kiir started by listing 75 top government officials.

Most of whom are among the current political detainees.The Honorable Elected (H.E.)president Kiir threatened he would public their names if they don’t return the 4 Billion US Dollars.
Next, he H.E. the president started issuing degrees relieving the former minister of finance-Cost Manibe.
The SPLM party Secretary general Pagan Amun opposed the president for such a move, which too resulted in his

(Amon’s) suspension as the party’s sec.general. After Amun, Deng Alor, etc, were too sucked.
According to my personal analysis, Amun and some SPLM member splinters rebel because of this matter.
This is my own analysis of the cause of the current chaos in South Sudan as just a diploma holder.

Machar if involved in the scandal or not what take this disagreement as to weather to public the top government corrupt officials or not as an opportunity to take power by force with the backing of these criminals.

Just say hold your bud Museveni’s dog since your voice has evaporated and go to ICC since international community has say no against your tricky claim of coup. Coup!! How can innocent children and women of Nuer could possibly plan a coup? Moron, K-M THAT is Museveni-Kiir Genocide. M-K genocidal plan is stone age in design. Dummy presidents.

Tut Tut,
I real believe and recommend Machar’s doctrine (Dr.) to be up graded with out him going for further studies. Because , he actual managed to confuse not only us the little educated South Sudanese but even the highly educated developed world that he has not attempted a failed coup.If he didn’t plan to do so, why has he captured Bor, Bentiu and is struggling to Capture Malakal?

Rebellion by Ngundeng prophecy,how could you belief to relay on dream which are not perfect.Nuer name are spoil like rotten eggs because your rebellion is only for Nuer but not all Nuer but those fool by food lover Riak Machar.count his rebellion and evaluate his achievement in rebellion of 1991.those fool should reverse their step to seek for development rather Nuer land liberation Movement( NLLM

Rebellion by Ngundeng prophecy,how could you belief to relay on dream which are not perfect.Nuer name are spoil like rotten eggs because your rebellion is only for Nuer but not all Nuer but those fool by food lover Riak Machar.count his rebellion and evaluate his achievement in rebellion of 1991.those fool should reverse their step to seek for development rather Nuer land liberation Movement( NLLM

Hello readers,
Kirr will not release those detainees else his husband (Munseveni) has tell him to so. This man (Kirr) is 100% relied on Museveni militarily, as well as politically. Museveni is the only gateway for his survival. He will only do whatever Museveni tell him to do because he is a dead head pig who knows only how to drink alcohol. Shame indeed.

Dinkas are very wise.They can wait to see what the other camp mean.Then they hire foreign agents to pacify primitive tribes of the Nile.1998,Dinka called thunder to fight Nuer in Panyagoor.This time we will be forced to use moto guns.Accept peace earlier.God is getting impatient.He wants to bring on thunders,brimestone and sulphuric acid on apes.

If Kiir release those detainees then his plan to remain in power fail because those are the politician who will go to media and challenge incompetence Kiir. Better to try may be he shall win or die like president of Libya.

Coup attempt plus rebellion are heinous crimes which can not be taken lightly.Those who still dream of the release of coup plotters are lunatics and they should prepare for their funerals.Who will answer the death of 10,000 South Sudanese?

In 1908-10, the British sought to end the Nuer occupation toward Dinkaland and established control over the area. A new border between the Nuer and Dinka was established at the favor of Dinka at Duk Padiet, fifty miles north of Kongor, and the Ghol, Ric, and Nyarraweng were awarded about four thousand aquare miles of territory they had previously lost during Nuer expansion.

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