READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

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Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Originally Posted by apdst

Nooooooo, PBO doesn't believe in American exceptionalism. He believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault, hence the Apology Tour '09.

If and on the very rare occasions we may have been wrong then it is honorable to issue a sincere apology. You realize that any nation that can live up man up and apologize for that rare time time that the nation is wrong is a sign of "exceptionalism".

I take xception with your accusation that "believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault,". That statement is below hyperbole it is an absolute faslehood.

“I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ?

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ?

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?

“I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr

If and on the very rare occasions we may have been wrong then it is honorable to issue a sincere apology. You realize that any nation that can live up man up and apologize for that rare time time that the nation is wrong is a sign of "exceptionalism".

I take xception with your accusation that "believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault,". That statement is below hyperbole it is an absolute faslehood.

Who was PBO apologizing to? The Europeans? The Arabs? The Muslims? Those clowns have all done far worse than we ever will.

Originally Posted by americanwoman

So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr

Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ?

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ?

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?

Like many of us, they see a hostile, far Left government taking control of our country. The Czars are all extremist, freedom hating nutjobs. The president is pals with a confessed terrorist. The president hs already suggested that he supports abolishing certain freedoms. No, it's no wonder what changed.

Originally Posted by americanwoman

So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Make a claim, post a link. That's how it works on internet debate forums, sport.

Originally Posted by americanwoman

So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Many people will dismiss the "Oath Takers" as harmless kooks, while others may regard them as patriotic Americans who are expressing their genuine concern for our Constitutional system. Perhaps it would be useful to examine the record of similar groups which have operated in the past.

In the early 1990s, an organization which called itself "The Cross, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" held that the Clinton administration posed an immediate threat to the Constitutional freedoms exercised by American citizens. Like the "Oath Takers," they recruited heavily among active duty military personnel. Like the "Oath Takers" they required that new members subscribe to an "oath" to defend the Constitution and oppose, by force if necessary, any and all attempts to "infringe" upon those freedoms. Their particular "enemies" were the FBI, ATF, and the IRS, but they regarded ALL government agencies as evil instruments of illegitimate power.

For the most part, the CSA stayed underground, but on one momentous occasion a member drew national attention.

Timothy McVeigh, who had joined the CSA while still on active duty, and who had attended at least two CSA "camps" (one in Arkansas, one in eastern Oklahoma) was driven by his hatred of all things associated with government to act--and the bomb he created killed 168 innocent people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

It is not safe to dismiss these people as a "harmless fringe." Such people can become very dangerous--and very destructive--without warning. One of the best sources for information on groups like this is Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center, who keep track of these guys and provide information about them on the SPLC website.

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr

Let us face the facts here and see that this group Oath Keepers is for the most part made up of people who are well meaning and want to do what is best for the country. Yet they are ready to swing into action to solve problems and conditions that have not and do not exist. The dangerous people are the small minority of the Oath Keepers leadership who know that the problems and conditions have not and do not exist that this group is ready to act upon but they are fanning the flames of false danger for reasons that only they know for sure and we can logicall surmise.

When did Oth keepers start? What was the event that caused the organization to form ? Just asking !!

Who are these leaders? Veterans, no for the most part? What evidence do you have to be besmirching these guys character?

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? NOPE!

Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? These are Oath Keepers... that is keeping oaths they've already made!

Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ? Not me just some REALLY freaked out socialists

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ? Again just REALLY freaked out socialists

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Nope just REALLY freaked out socialists!

Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?Nope just REALLY freaked out socialists!
Not that I blame them for being freaked out. They really think they can just run over the Constitution and ANYTHING or ANYBODY that might preclude that end... REALLY freaks them out!

Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

Many people will dismiss the "Oath Takers" as harmless kooks, while others may regard them as patriotic Americans who are expressing their genuine concern for our Constitutional system. Perhaps it would be useful to examine the record of similar groups which have operated in the past.

In the early 1990s, an organization which called itself "The Cross, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" held that the Clinton administration posed an immediate threat to the Constitutional freedoms exercised by American citizens. Like the "Oath Takers," they recruited heavily among active duty military personnel. Like the "Oath Takers" they required that new members subscribe to an "oath" to defend the Constitution and oppose, by force if necessary, any and all attempts to "infringe" upon those freedoms. Their particular "enemies" were the FBI, ATF, and the IRS, but they regarded ALL government agencies as evil instruments of illegitimate power.

For the most part, the CSA stayed underground, but on one momentous occasion a member drew national attention.

Timothy McVeigh, who had joined the CSA while still on active duty, and who had attended at least two CSA "camps" (one in Arkansas, one in eastern Oklahoma) was driven by his hatred of all things associated with government to act--and the bomb he created killed 168 innocent people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

It is not safe to dismiss these people as a "harmless fringe." Such people can become very dangerous--and very destructive--without warning. One of the best sources for information on groups like this is Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center, who keep track of these guys and provide information about them on the SPLC website.

The opening article tried to make the same disgusting point as you do here. These law enforcement officers that are pledging to "lay down their arms" when given an unlawful order to use them against citizens expressing their rights under the Constitution of the United States. That you would make the comparison in stronger terms than the article would dare even tread, or rely on ANYTHING Morris Dees says or advocates, I suspect says more than I care to know about you sir.

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