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1.If you are using GBL or 1,4BDO and find you can't resist the urge to dose multiple times daily I highly recommend you switch to GHB. The conversion is dead simple with baking soda and a stove top with no worries about unreacted lye. GHB has almost no rebound,if SWIM falls asleep on GBL she invariably wakes 3 hours later on the dot,If SWIM does the same on GHB she always wakes normally with no dopamine rebound.

2.If you have unwisely been using GBL for weeks on end and are about to run out acquire some phenibut,its availiable online cheaply. It works wonders at keeping you calm and your heart rate and BP down. It also is impossible to OD on,use it for a few days and taper off.

3.Alcohol can help immensely,DO NOT COMBINE IT WITH GHB OR GBL! However a beer or two with phenibut is safe,and can help if the phenibut is not helping by itself.

Remember for the rest of your life how horrible excessive dopamine is and do not go back to using GBL 24/7.

Are there any side affects with GHB withdrawal ? I used to use "pharmaceutically pure" GHB powder. Disssolving 1-3g in a small amount of water, approximately 10-20 times per day. It helped me to stop alcohol altogether, loose weight, cure any form of panic, anxiety, or depression, and generally feel enthused, positive, sociable, and even "invincible" to a certain degree. I am also convinced it helped me recover from some serious ligament damage to my knee, enabling me to return to work within six months after my accident, amazing both my surgeon and physio-therapist in the process. Nobody seems to know, what the long term side-affects of GHB are.

Whilst I used the drug everyone used to comment how well I looked, and indeed how happy I seemed. My wife used to love me taking it, and when I stopped every three weeks, to go away to wok for a fortnight I had no side affects whatsoever, except maybe a little sleeplessness, and a little anxiety/ hyperactivity, but no worse than when Ihad never even heard of the drug before. Most of the bad news I hear about the drug seems to be related to GBL.

Does anyone know if what I used to find with GHB accurate ? or was I causing myself serious physical and psychological damage, and due to my perhaps rash and foolish actions, will I eventually develop some serious psychological problems, coupled with a damaged liver and kidneys ?

My own doctor knows little about the drug, and after my last consultation finds me fit and well, and happy to refer me to a private physician, who after referral from my own GP would be happy to examine me and offer a private prescription for Xyrem (sodium oxybate, aka ghb solution.

This would then cover me legallyfor private use/posession in the confines of my own home. In any case, having spoken to my local police drugs liason officer (in the UK), he knows very little about the drug, and wasn't even too sure of its legal status, and clearly indicated that reasonable quantities taken in my own home by myself would not lead to any action by the police. However, since the drug has been classified as a class "C" substance under The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, I have stoppped taking GHB completely, and have chosen perhaps this route via my own GP and referral to a private GP for proper prescription.

If anyone, however knows more than myself and now has a complete history of this drug's long term side-effects, please let me know, and if severe enough I can cancel my DR's appointment and save an expensive appointment fee.

It can be fatal when combined with alcohol or other CNS depressants,and
there is of course the danger of improper use but this exists with
alcohol and all other legal alternatives.

Let me give you a little advice, if you are not willing to synth GHB yourself go for the xyrem!

Don't start using GBL whatever you do,either do the synth or go for GHB period.

I have noticed no withdrawl from low level 24/7 GHB use,but I found it
uncomfortable as weeks were just sliding by too easy for comfort.

GBL is addictive as hell and not in a good way,you use it 24/7 just to
stop the dopamine rebound and then to sleep and then you either use it
for years or you have to use some willpower to stop and get onto
something else until you have gotten through the dopamine nightmare.

I included it just because a lot of people who I tend to believe report
"addiction" to it,which I suspect has nothing to do with GBLs insane
dopamine rebound and instead is just that life is better with GHB.

If you use GHB 6 years straight 24/7 your brain will need a few days to
normalize dopamine,phenibut works at weaning you off without this
discomfort.

Benzos would work too but I didn't mention them because they are
restircted in many countries and phenibut isn't, black market benzos
are expensive and phenibut is cheap.

I have seen some people say they became addicted to phenibut,this has
nothing to do with phenibut itself thats simply addiction to elevated
GABA levels.

In a sane world these people could get the medicine they need without a fuss.

1.If you are using GBL or 1,4BDO and find you can't resist the urge to dose multiple times daily I highly recommend you switch to GHB. The conversion is dead simple with baking soda and a stove top with no worries about unreacted lye. "

can you be more specific about an easy way for turning 1,4bdo into ghb, or point to somewhere that makes that info avalible

Sorry I wasn't too clear, the simple conversion only applies to GBL to GHB

1,4BDO can be converted to GBL and on to GHB but it is above the level
of what you can do with a stovetop, and its pointless since there are
much cheaper things that can be made into GBL if you're going that
route.

I hear Benzo's help out alot with withdrawls, and Exercising helps out trememdosly!! (From wut I hear) Go work out, or jog, run, crawl, wutever you like doing, cause when you work out, your brain releases endorphines that make you feel like your high. So this is an excellent combo, Get in shape, calm the withdrawls, and get high all at the same time. How can you beat that?!!

Wait a minute! GHB has a definite rebound. I used to cook the shit up several years ago, easy lactone sodium/postassium hydroxide synth. No problem. I dried cookie sheets of powder in the oven. LOL.

GHB has a sudden rebound. I used to take 6 grams at bedtime. Bam! Asleep after a very silly drunk, then about 4 hours later, Bam! Wide the fuck awake. That's the dopamine rebound. The more you take the more gets saved up for release. Thats' what all the panic attacks and anxiety and schitzy ness is. Dopamine flooding your system. I went all through that. It sucked hardcore. Panic attacks at the vid store. Bleh!

Score some xanax to mellow that out. Maybe take a week off work to get over the hump. The rebound anxiety can really suck. But I'd imagine a week would get you over the worst of it. I remember about 4 or 5 days really sucking, then it improved over a week or two after that.

Right on bro. I think most people were OK with GHB, too bad it was demonized by the narcopathsin power. Try dissolving the sodium or potassium hydroxide in alcohol, then squirt the butyrolactone into the alcohol/hydroxide solution. And watch the ghb precipitate out! Way cool. It sucks to filter out, so I used to just let it settle then dry the mush on cookie sheets in a low electric oven.

**obviously I know you can do this reaction in water and skip the powdering phase. But powder was more fun! And this shit is hydrophyllic!

SWIM thought most of the users don't feel anykind of nasty after effects. Is dopamine rebound usually uncomfortable? Or only with higher doses or WD? Happily GHB metablizes into water and carbon monoxide, leaving no toxins unlike alcohol.

SWIM is wondering if there is an adrenergic rebound effect as well, similar to some other drugs of abuse. GHB does have some interactions with hormones, and if this results in an increased level of epinephrine in the peripheral nervous system after time, to compensate for GHB perhaps attenuating the adrenergic system, some of the anxiety/physical discomfort of stopping GHB/GBL could be due to this increased epinephrine. This would probably go away in a few days, which is the same amount of time GHB/GBL withdrawals last, if SWIM is not mistaken.

dopamine rebound is certainly uncomfortable, although swim recommends tapering not cold turkey. total inability to sleep and real social awkwardness are a pain when coming off it, but it is very short lived. swim has been messing with gbl for too long and is ready to convert to ghb now.

^^^^^^GHB does cause a dopamine rebound, but the onset does not seem to be as soon and the symptoms are not so pronounced. ie GHB can be taken more frequently and at higher doses before dopamine rebound is felt.

Unreacted GBL can pretty much always be tasted in GHB if its presence is there.

After a short bout with GBL addiction, SWIM had to stop using before it caused damage, as he was begining to use constantly, had it not been for alcohol and GHB, SWIM would have been toast. He converted 125ml of the GBL to ghb, and dosed with that for a few days after stopping GBL, and took two beer before doing anything that would have usualy required a dose to do, school, socialising, etc... Having gone thru 500ml in a very short time... but now, he seems to be hooked on low doses of alcohol, almost constant "glow", his tummy dosnt agree with alcohol, so he hopes he'll taper off naturaly. SWIM's fault for ignoring the warnings and buying bulk, heheheh

UPDATE:
After about two weeks, SWIM, as he suspected, began to naturaly tapper off alcohol consumption, as his tummy dislikes alcohol, it's been about 4 days since his last drink, and after stopping the alcohol, there where no ill effects, sleep is possible, but occassional cravings for GBL surface(psychological, not physical).
SWIM is rather happy that he stopped so soon, as he realises now that it can be way too easy to keep dosing, as most interactions are possible, and even easier on GBL. This could have led to a serious addiction. SWIM would recomend the use of GHB or alcohol to deal with the withdrawal to those who want to stop, but would urge caution, and suggest a plan be made as to the stopping of alcohol or ghb consumption, so as to avoid just developping another addiction instead.
SWIM will head warnings about the addictivness of substances he tries from now on, lesson learned.

Last edited by seechao; 29-01-2007 at 20:53.
Reason: update, and cleanup of original post