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Is Bob 21 T3?http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/29847-Is-Bob-21-T3?goto=newpost
Thu, 23 May 2019 15:18:54 GMTSeems like good ole T3 has dropped off the map lately. If I recall, he had some health issues. But is the ultimate battler. That being said, I hope all is well.

Just as T3 disappears, the controversial debater of many names, Bob comes on the scene. Good to see you posting more at VCT. You've made VCT quite interesting the last couple days.

I like how you turned the 475 post thread into Jesus week to get it to 500. Some very interesting quotes and information.

Mickey writes:
Easter is always on the 1st sunday after the 4th full moon after christmas. It can be anywhere from march 22 to april 25. This was established in the 4th century.Thanks Mick. I didn't know that. It seems every year I'm thinking either when is Easter coming or it's time to hide eggs already? Seems to me that weekend should coincide with the Final Four.

Singer writes: Jesus is a well-written about real/historicle person.In the words of Karl. I reckon it's all written down right dar in the Bible. Some people call it the Good Book, I call it a Bible um ha.

Bob writes:Here’s something interesting most don’t know about the week. It comes from the Bible and God’s creation week. There is no other explanation for why we have a week on our calendar.Interesting I didn't know that. I figured God was projecting the future. Otherwise, for instance, how would we know when to turn into Monday Night Football or the Game of the Week which was always on Saturday in baseball in the "old" days.

Think about it. All the other events on our calendar relate to something that can be explained astronomically. A day is the length of time earth requires to rotate around its axis in relation to the sun. A month is the time it takes the moon to revolve around the earth. A year is the time it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. Okay, I thought about it. Now I'm done. Just kidding Bob. Good stuff. Those 12 years you spent at Friends U was worth every penny. :grin:

A week? It has no astronomical meaning. The modern 7 day week was adopted by the Roman Empire for religious purposes. It’s to celebrate God’s creation week...He took six days to create the universe and everything in it, and then rested on the seventh day.THAT I knew. But thanks for the reminder.
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Sat, 18 May 2019 04:00:43 GMTRob Singer writes: Kew, I'm sorry. I think you mean well, but you just haven't experienced enuf of life as yet to properly put this together in your mind. Hopefully you'll eventually understand the REAL difference between right and wrong.
I'm curious. Now that KJ is preaching the gospel of right vs wrong, suppose the Milwaukee Bucks are favored by 6.5 points over Toronto. However, the casino sportsbook screwed up and listed the game as Milwaukee being a 6.5 underdog by mistake? It sounds to me like that is what KJ is so frazzled about.

Axel writes; KJ. When you back count and jump in when the count gets good and then jump out when the count gets bad, isn't that theft from the other players EV?

Whatever Mickeycrimm. I don't want to continue to fight about any of this. It is what it is. We all do what we are comfortable with. And I am not pure either, if that is your point. Ok?KJ doesn't want to fight? HE wrote the OP. Then, 218 posts later, most of which were KJ rants. HE doesn't want to fight? :yikes:
Axel writes; The fact that they don't know you are stealing EV from them makes it ok? Or do ask the players, "hey, thanks for playing and making the deck positive EV for me, I'm about to sit down and steal some of your EV via card counting and when the count gets bad and no longer in my favor I'm going to leave you at the table(a trip to the bathroom) and let you build it back up for me, is that OK? Have you ever thought about how much money you have cost other players? When back counting(sometimes you are watching another table while playing) someone might say you steal from individuals while others steal from the casinos.

You know its against the casinos rules to count cards and it's unwanted. Why is it ethical and moral to do something you know is unwanted and frowned upon?

Didn't you say you and your partner used to play on friends cards at various casinos on VP in order to game the system and earn extra free play? According to your views wouldn't that be theft as well?

Not to mention running off ploppies from tables so he can have the game to himself.
]]>Gambling AP Community MiscellaneaMoseshttp://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/29845-Is-KJ-the-same-person-as-ZenKingWhy has blackjack gone to shit?http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/29843-Why-has-blackjack-gone-to-shit?goto=newpost
Mon, 13 May 2019 10:30:07 GMTBecause we have too many idiots writing about how they are making all this money effortlessly. History proves books come out, casinos get paranoid, rules get worse.
Now in the days in forums, bullshit flows that much faster, and rules get worse at a more rapid pace. The KJs of the world are...Because we have too many idiots writing about how they are making all this money effortlessly. History proves books come out, casinos get paranoid, rules get worse.

Now in the days in forums, bullshit flows that much faster, and rules get worse at a more rapid pace. The KJs of the world are killing our game.

IF Norm would lead a charge of preserve and protect vs brag and bullshit we might have a chance. But very soon, we either won't have a game to play or a game worth playing. Of course, y'all will blame the casinos. But the question is, who could blame the casinos? Loose lips and supporters of same sunk our own ship.

21Forme writes:Why has blackjack gone to shit?Because the stupid public is still willing to play shit.

The public has been playing blackjack since the beginning of time. Casino DON'T need AP's. But ultra size ego's such as yours thinks they can't exist without us. Truth is, we can't exist without them. They change many games to 6.5. Tables are still full on Friday and Saturdays. They didn't hurt the public, they helped themselves to a little more profit and punished the hell out of AP's. When are you and the KJs of the world going to get it?

Shut your damn pie holes.

ShiptheCookies writes:
If the public was smart instead of stupid, we would've never heard of the Kardashians.
Who?
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Thu, 09 May 2019 12:58:57 GMTSorry Norm, but you opened pandora's box by allowing such an utterly ridiculous to be started by 21Forme in the first place.

A mystery. Who is 21Forme? Could it be Norm? Could he be Flash? OR just another spineless boring asshole from NYC?

21Forme is a very fond of KJ which indicates he could be more than just a little light in the loafers.

But KJ isn't fond of Norm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by KewlJ

You know that putrid smell when you walk past a homeless person? That combination of stink, stank stunk, funk, death? I'm talking the really putrid smell where you pull your shirt up over your face and stop breathing for as long as you can?

That smell will forever forward be known as "watten-stink".....or maybe Q-stench. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses

Kewlj - I just registered on this forum to respond, as someone notified me about this thread which contains an error. Until now, I was unaware of the existence of this forum, and am making this one post to correct what you said. I do not plan to become active here. At this point, I'm forummed out

First, thanks for your kind words.

Second, I was never banned from BJTF. I left on my own volition for a few months, returned, then left again after seeing the same old nonsense. If I wish to return again, I could. However, I haven't been back in there in many months and do not care to return to that cesspool of misinformation, endless supply of "which count is best" threads, and sounding board for two losers who have nothing better to do than than try to make more posts than the other one.

That's all I have. You know how to contact me, if you wish to. Good cards!

21forme writes ^:
Moses replies: So Norm. This is the type of garbage you have on your forum right under your nose.

21forme: You jump from one forum to another because they either don't have enough action to hold your interest or too many posts and your brain busts a spring trying to keep up with more than 5 posts per day. So you chose me as your new Zee? Wrong, wrong, WRONG decision.

Here is an idea. Why don't you start a forum where nobody is allowed to post. All we do is read about your boring ASS! Would that make you happy? Probably not.

Or start a karaoke club and the first mother fucker that dares to sing? Throw his ass out. You could call it the "buy my booze and shut the fuck up" club. So I'm the who is mentally ill? You got to be the most simpleminded dipshit on earth. So which is it going to be this time? Hide or Tattle? Because I know you're not going to stand up to me. You've never stood up for anything or to anyone in your life. All you do is bitch and run.

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Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:08:06 GMTVery interesting post by Moses over at zenzone. He spilled the beans on his life story. Damn, divorce is tough, but it seems he was devastated by it. I remember him telling this once before, but that time he started out with 4 million not 3 million.

I'm going from memory about something I've tried very hard to put behind me. I remember hitting the $1 million mark at age 45 which was about 10 years late of my goal. Then I was amazed that it went from $1m to $3m in just 5 years. There were a lot of moving targets but I don't think it ever reached $4m. I'd have to go look it up and it's something I try to forget. For instance, the house on the golf course jumped from $400K to a mil in a year. But we didn't sell until after my oldest graduated HS and it was determined the youngest wanted to move to another HS. We got $650K net and then bought the next house for $555k to begin downsizing. Plus living on that golf course was like living in a glorified prison. So many rules. I still remember the check for $555k. It was valued at $750K and I remember saying this needs to be a 10 year plan before I wrote the check. I knew volatility was forthcoming. It lasted two years.

I'm not devastated by the divorce. If I think about it, which I try not to do, it's very frustrating to know that 25 years of my life was wasted. My kids? Sure I miss them. But I think you know that the most difficult job as a parent is to let them go become adults. It's like a pitcher in baseball. You wake up everyday and feel as though you need to pitch a perfect game. Then when they become adults, you sit in the bullpen, and sorta hope you're not called on to come in the game.

The year 2010 was by far the most difficult of my life. You think you are so close to the finish line and wham someone says the race starts over.
Ever had the kid(s) that would hang around the house you just knew were a bad influence? In my case, that kid was their mom. The people from that year was as if they were helping you up and pushing you back down both at the same time. But it was the isolation in that house that was most devastating. Everyone and darn near everything was gone except me. It was like walking thru a cold dark gym after a game had been played.

The house sold in March 2010. The real estate agent screwed up and wrote it as a non contingency. April 5, after 25 years, I had two choices, I could either take the ex's stuff to her or she would come and get it. I thought what the hell. Two questions like that just 45 days from our 25th anniversary. Anyway, I took her the stuff. The deal was scheduled to close that following Monday. So we have a big sale and sold everything of value that weekend. Everyone figured I'd back out of the deal somehow. Logic being, I had the most to lose. But I was more concerned about getting my daughter a place so she could finish her sophomore year in college. Now Monday comes, and their house didn't sell, so they are backing out of the deal. In addition, they were members of my church and my wife wanted to sue. Talk about adding embarrassment to humiliation.

So here my daughter and I are in this big empty house. It was tough on her so she went to spend the summer with her sis in Arizona before starting school in the fall in Nebraska.

That house was like a bad omen or something. In 13 years, 4 families lived in that house, in a neighborhood where houses rarely sell. All 4 ended in divorce and apparently the one before us ended with the husband committing suicide. I didn't know this until years later. My daughter came to visit me in Reno and brought one of her friends who lived in that community his entire life. He said "oh, you lived in the haunted house." Everyone has known that for years. Everyone, except me I guess.
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Mon, 29 Apr 2019 00:32:42 GMTKeystone writes:
Mr.Botox, I think you are correct that Bob manipulates the other guy, but that`s only because the other guy is too stupid to realize it and has the brain the size of a raisin...besides that, I don`t think Bob`s a bad guy at all.....Moses on the other hand is a loudmouth...Keystone writes:

Mr.Botox, I think you are correct that Bob manipulates the other guy, but that`s only because the other guy is too stupid to realize it and has the brain the size of a raisin...besides that, I don`t think Bob`s a bad guy at all.....Moses on the other hand is a loudmouth chump...a lil whiner, just like he whined to me in PM ....I know many here in the AP and non AP camps think the other are liars, but I`ve personally never seen a bigger bullshit artist than this Moses fool...quite a sissy too
Hey ploppy. You write just like KJ. You want this fight, you need the fight, all you have to do is look in the mirror, find the guts, and take this fight.
IF you don't you will live the rest of your life in fear. You'll be the guy who ran his mouth for endless posts to Moses since February 22 after I couldn't respond.
Then ran like a girl. You're not a girl are you?

But you sure are acting like a pussy. I'll take an ass kickin if you think you can deliver it. My quarter says you can't.

Do you really want Bosox, KJ, Bob, and all those others to see you fold like a cheap suit now? No PM this time. No ducking out. NO MORE WORDS.

Atlantis or Peppermill parking lot behind the sportsbook just before dusk and no one will intervene. This Friday 8.30pm. Like I said in the PM. Let's DO THIS.
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