The next gen CTS are driving around as well. And they look alot like the ATS.

11-08-12, 04:31 PM

M5eater

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

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Originally Posted by JimmyH

35 would be nice, but I think that would be a bit much to expect. For a daily driver, I would be thrilled with 30 mpg.

Realistically, I am much more likely to keep the Camaro (maybe start modding again :D) and get a Cruze Eco as my DD. 42 mpg and a 6-speed manual :thumbsup:

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And there is NO 5.5L under development. That is the C6R racing engine.

I want a cruze 1.4turbo for my DD too T_T

11-08-12, 11:51 PM

JimmyH

i finally test drove the cruze a few weeks ago. it was ok. but i cannot see myself drving it every day. not gonna happen.

11-11-12, 08:31 PM

Has No Left

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

Let's assume the ATS-V is around 3500 lbs and has 400 hp. What does that put it 0-60? 1/4 mile?

Wonder if they will have launch control with the manuals?

11-12-12, 03:30 PM

Its an ATS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Has No Left

Let's assume the ATS-V is around 3500 lbs and has 400 hp. What does that put it 0-60? 1/4 mile?

Wonder if they will have launch control with the manuals?

Cadillac will need to fix power delivery issues in order for the numbers to be impressive. For instance:
2012/13 Audi S4 with 333 hp will do a 12.9 1/4 (curb weight 3800ish)
2013 3.6 ATS with 321 hp will do. 14.0 1/4 (curb weight 3400ish)

I know it's not all about the 1/4 mile, but the visceral feel of a hard accelerating car is like none other.

12-13-12, 01:44 PM

concorso

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Has No Left

Let's assume the ATS-V is around 3500 lbs and has 400 hp. What does that put it 0-60? 1/4 mile?

Well behind the competition.

12-14-12, 12:26 AM

Jinx

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

It'll be more like 3600 lbs and 450+hp.

12-16-12, 09:46 AM

rand49er

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

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Originally Posted by Its an ATS

Cadillac will need to fix power delivery issues in order for the numbers to be impressive. For instance:
2012/13 Audi S4 with 333 hp will do a 12.9 1/4 (curb weight 3800ish)
2013 3.6 ATS with 321 hp will do. 14.0 1/4 (curb weight 3400ish)

I know it's not all about the 1/4 mile, but the visceral feel of a hard accelerating car is like none other.

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Originally Posted by concorso

Well behind the competition.

The only reason they get these kind of numbers is the AWD. Look at their 5-60 times, and they aren't so inflated.

12-17-12, 09:26 PM

Its an ATS

Quote:

Originally Posted by rand49er

The only reason they get these kind of numbers is the AWD. Look at their 5-60 times, and they aren't so inflated.

Ummm, no... How do you explain my 3.6 AWD ATS not having a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile? It's all about power delivery, and there is no denying that Audi has basically written the book on AWD. The first year they entered the a Quattro equipped car in rally they dominated and continued to dominate until finally an AWD category was created to even the playing field.

12-18-12, 07:01 PM

jurzdevil

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

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Originally Posted by Its an ATS

Ummm, no... How do you explain my 3.6 AWD ATS not having a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile? It's all about power delivery, and there is no denying that Audi has basically written the book on AWD. The first year they entered the a Quattro equipped car in rally they dominated and continued to dominate until finally an AWD category was created to even the playing field.

Quattro isn't the entire reason why. The fast times with the S4 are with a dual-clutch automatic. The torque converter in the ATS AWD can't compete with the initial power delivery from a "real" clutch.

12-20-12, 10:47 AM

Its an ATS

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Originally Posted by jurzdevil

Quattro isn't the entire reason why. The fast times with the S4 are with a dual-clutch automatic. The torque converter in the ATS AWD can't compete with the initial power delivery from a "real" clutch.

Agreed, my original statement is that cadillac needs to fix power delivery. That pretty much sums up everything after the flywheel in my mind.

12-22-12, 12:32 PM

concorso

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

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Originally Posted by Its an ATS

Agreed, my original statement is that cadillac needs to fix power delivery. That pretty much sums up everything after the flywheel in my mind.

The twin turbo V6 thats coming, even in a 330 hp trim, and a DCT would wake the car up. After finally driving an V6 ATS, I must say that the trans tuning is great, throttle response is fantastic, and that V6 enjoys all its powerband in that car. Saying that the ATS needs to improve its power delivery really shows how competitive this segment is.

12-23-12, 03:44 AM

Its an ATS

Quote:

Originally Posted by concorso

The twin turbo V6 thats coming, even in a 330 hp trim, and a DCT would wake the car up. After finally driving an V6 ATS, I must say that the trans tuning is great, throttle response is fantastic, and that V6 enjoys all its powerband in that car. Saying that the ATS needs to improve its power delivery really shows how competitive this segment is.

Without a doubt. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy driving my AWD V6 ATS. It's just on the slow side, comparatively of course...

12-23-12, 02:22 PM

JFJr

Admittedly I'm prejudiced, but I don't think that a V-6, in any trim is appropriate, regardless of what the Germans are doing. I love the sound cranking up my "V" in an underground parking garage; it has a beautiful rumble, shakes the ground and gets everyone's attention. The new LT1 or existing LS7, somewhat "enhanced" and naturally aspirated, is what is needed. That will put a smile on all American car guys and we won't have to be embarrassed driving a V-6 that sounds like a bumblebee. We were successful with the V1 and V2, and should continue as leaders, not "me too" followers.

Jud

12-31-12, 09:47 PM

rand49er

Re: Cadillac ATS-V is probably getting a twin turbo 3.6 liter V6

Don't if this is going to be revealed at the NAIAS later this month, but I was just wondering if GM would ever consider both the LT1 (at ~450 hp) and a 3.6TT (at ~380 hp). The latter would be a V while the former would be like a "Black Series" or something more clever (i.e. marketable).