tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post1178189782485234033..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: No Really It's Not Me, It's YouReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-68449883324682104462008-09-25T15:48:00.000-04:002008-09-25T15:48:00.000-04:00"When white women strip and loudly protest in the ..."When white women strip and loudly protest in the streets for PETA, they are not called angry women. When white environmentalist tie themselves to trees to protest clear cutting. they are not called angry."<BR/><BR/>Uh, actually, we're called "terrorists." Look it up. It's called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and it labels all us bunny-huggers and tree-huggers terrorists.<BR/><BR/>More: Elaine Vigneaulthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02678177594055407926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-12372086197327277602008-09-17T13:33:00.000-04:002008-09-17T13:33:00.000-04:00@Lisa thanks for your question. I am actually real...@Lisa thanks for your question. I am actually really glad that you asked it. Here is where the problem for me. Let's say I initiate a conversation like the one I did about black women and hair. It becomes derailment when the conversation shifts and we find ourselves focused on white people and their hair issues. Relating it to your personal experience is not necessarily a problem for me (bare Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-49647958688163843062008-09-17T13:26:00.000-04:002008-09-17T13:26:00.000-04:00I have a question for Renee or anyone who is inter...I have a question for Renee or anyone who is interested in addressing it. First, I will say, though, that I think you did a really good job guest blogging on Feministe over the past couple weeks and you've got me thinking about privilege and racism a lot lately. My question regards your comments about how white feminists derail threads that are written by WOC when they interject with a personalLisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-83234626576820030492008-09-17T12:13:00.000-04:002008-09-17T12:13:00.000-04:00"Even if I were to use the softest, most flowery l..."Even if I were to use the softest, most flowery language to articulate my point, the message would still be dismissed because to embrace me, or women like me, would mean owning your privilege and admitting the ways in which you profit from our social positioning."<BR/><BR/>Slam, Renee. That's it. And we white women should know better.. while I don't want to equivocate racism with sexism, white dollyspeakshttp://dollyspeaks.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-54246462509355373662008-09-17T11:44:00.000-04:002008-09-17T11:44:00.000-04:00Also, I was struck by the idea that writing about ...Also, I was struck by the idea that writing about the way things are or were for women in North America or in the post-colonial world is writing from a position of privilege. And it made me wonder: how would one define the territory between erasing the experiences of others, and appropriating those experiences? (And I don't mean this as a rhetorical question: I'm curious what people around hereiamthelizardqueenhttp://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-25801103672640653602008-09-17T11:16:00.000-04:002008-09-17T11:16:00.000-04:00Well in the end someone determined that I had "los...Well in the end someone determined that I had "lost" because to disengage. My feeling is that continuing to comment on a thread that was so derailed was enabling the derailment. I personally can only tolerate so much twisting of an argument before I say enough. The fact that a choice to disengage could be seen as a loss instead of a valid decision is once again privilege but hey it seems some Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-139916167819787262008-09-17T11:06:00.000-04:002008-09-17T11:06:00.000-04:00tiggrrl: "No, you didn't deal with every aspect of...tiggrrl: "No, you didn't deal with every aspect of breastfeeding or wet nursing history throughout all known time and space, but you weren't trying to! You were addressing one very specific manifestation of racism, and apparently people couldn't just deal with what you were actually talking about, but had to make it all about their angle on the issue."<BR/><BR/>Indeed -- and that gave the The Lizard Queenhttp://iamthelizardqueen.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-559992444378117962008-09-17T05:51:00.000-04:002008-09-17T05:51:00.000-04:00"When white environmentalist tie themselves to tre..."When white environmentalist tie themselves to trees to protest clear cutting. they are not called angry."<BR/><BR/>These days they're called terrorists. Is that any better?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-70954086379759508272008-09-16T21:19:00.000-04:002008-09-16T21:19:00.000-04:00Well thanks Amanda, I appreciate your support as w...Well thanks Amanda, I appreciate your support as well of the support of everyone in this thread.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-11425498881130256592008-09-16T17:07:00.000-04:002008-09-16T17:07:00.000-04:00I'm sorry you were met with hostility. If it make...I'm sorry you were met with hostility. If it makes you feel any better, a lot of people lurked that post because we didn't have anything to add. I thought it was thought-provoking and made me think about how taboos can function as class markers. I also wondered if milk banks are a way around the conundrum.Amanda Marcottehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05098500818240791320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-42748988992565923332008-09-16T15:46:00.000-04:002008-09-16T15:46:00.000-04:00Wow, I just spent way too much time reading throug...Wow, I just spent way too much time reading through all those comments, and all I can say is that apparently some people have way too much time on their hands and too much hostility that they need to work out by being obnoxious online.<BR/><BR/>No, you didn't deal with every aspect of breastfeeding or wet nursing history throughout all known time and space, but you weren't trying to! You were tiggrrlhttp://tiggrrl.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-36162394988062301872008-09-16T11:18:00.000-04:002008-09-16T11:18:00.000-04:00I want to second what everyone says. I was horrifi...I want to second what everyone says. I was horrified by how you were treated at Feministe, and how none of the regular bloggers there seemed to give a shit. (That could be wrong, but that was my perception.) <BR/><BR/>Your writing is so important, and so important to me. I respect you from the bottom of my heart for doing what you do, how you do it.seitzkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16383559351073204534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-69369027214007066102008-09-16T09:03:00.000-04:002008-09-16T09:03:00.000-04:00Dear Renee,I'm delurking to say thank you blogging...Dear Renee,<BR/><BR/>I'm delurking to say thank you blogging here. I'm appalled and disgusted (but sadly not surprised) by some of the behavior and language I saw over at the feministe comments, since it's the same kind of stuff I see in large LJ communities when I dare to read the comments on something thought-provoking in a quasi-public community. <BR/><BR/>I do not usually even read commentsericaceousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-13632281376139776462008-09-16T08:23:00.000-04:002008-09-16T08:23:00.000-04:00Hey, Renee - keep writing and I will keep listenin...Hey, Renee - keep writing and I will keep listening and saying amen. I watched that thread derail... as I have seen many others do the same. Thank you for your commitment to post every day, no matter what.harrietsdaughterhttp://harrietsdaughter.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-84176259554218250382008-09-16T07:50:00.000-04:002008-09-16T07:50:00.000-04:00Thanks, UMW Katie, you said it better than I could...Thanks, UMW Katie, you said it better than I could.<BR/><BR/>Renee, some of us are taking are shoes off at the door and listening. This is a very important blog. You *are* engaging and educating people.Irishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05429653466913179766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-78736544814998791492008-09-16T07:20:00.000-04:002008-09-16T07:20:00.000-04:00Please keep posting here and I will keep listening...Please keep posting here and I will keep listening. I was very concerned (and a little suprised, call me naive but I expected better from the readers of a feminist blog) about the way your posts specifically seemed to often derail into other discussions, however I have now read enough other blogs to notice a pattern. <BR/><BR/>On white feminist blogs it's tone, on non-feminist blogs discussions White Trash Academichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11620049442846287591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-12751424915499946782008-09-16T01:50:00.000-04:002008-09-16T01:50:00.000-04:00Above post removed because a quote which was suppo...Above post removed because a quote which was supposed to be a slight note in regards to the last sentence proved longer than the rest of my post, and could be construed as a thread-jack.<BR/><BR/><I>The internet is supposed to be the great equalizer.</I><BR/><BR/>Only if you remain anonymous. Then, the only thing anyone can consider is your argument. Indeed, even maintaining a persistent identityARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-28236116993257161462008-09-16T01:44:00.000-04:002008-09-16T01:44:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-6565411619650618102008-09-16T01:21:00.000-04:002008-09-16T01:21:00.000-04:00-delurks-I just wanted to thank you for what you d...-delurks-<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to thank you for what you do Renee. I'm very sad to see the continuing antagonism women of color experience in the feminist blogosphere. As a woman with white privilege, I know it isn't the job of women of color to educate me, but rather my job to educate myself about racism. I truly don't understand why more women (especially feminist women!) don't understand UWMKatienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-75434814168037296482008-09-16T01:07:00.000-04:002008-09-16T01:07:00.000-04:00Could not have said it better! You are so right! A...Could not have said it better! You are so right! And what really gets me is that these same folks feel very comfortable with coming "to your house" like an unseen stalker leaving vile comments anonymously. That really bothers me because if your bad enough to say it you should be bad enough to say it to my face - so to speak.SjPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03637955368291716153noreply@blogger.com