that's interesting. let's revisit ezekiel 1, in the old testament. cause i'm starting to get a picture in my mind of what this thing is doing.

first, let's start with the theory i was working on, regarding the wheels within wheels that came out of the hole in the sky in ezekiel 1.

before ezekiel sees these things happening, it says he starts to have a "vision" of god. the fiery mass approaches his position, with clouds swirling
around it. a hole in the sky opens, and out of it comes these metallic wheels with 4 faced cherubim in them. most artists depict it as a gyroscopic
vehicle with the cherubim in the middle. i do believe that is wrong. it doesn't mean in the middle, it means IN the wheel itself, not inside the
hole, but part of the wheel itself. each face on the cherubim represents a different constellation, presumably in the ecliptic.

i theorized that the vision was showing each part of the mechanism that opens the hole in the sky. the four constellations, the wheels spinning away
and back again. etc. i was so caught up in figuring out this sequence, that it never dawned on me to consider what is happening to ezekiel himself.
it says he's having a "vision" which normally means out of body, but this guy is experiencing physiological effects on his body. could it be he was
witnessing the event from outside the pyramid ? the odd thing about it was, after the wheels are introduced, it says a firmament of awesome ice
appeared, and above it was the throne of god. i decided to try to depict it

now according to the text of ezekiel 1, the event is being described in stages.
1. the wormhole forms
2. out of the wormhole come "angels" that are going away and coming back as fast as a flash of lightning.
3. these angels have 4 faces which represent 4 constellations.
4. lightning is flashing between them.
5. out comes the big guy in his flying blue crystalline throne.

now for a description of what those parts are:

#one is to describe the requirements to open the wormhole

#two requires description. these angels are attached, NOT INSIDE, but attached, to the wheels. when it says, IN THE WHEELS, it doesn't mean in the
middle. it means in the wheels. there are 2 wheels, one rotates inside the other. the wheels spin in a huge circle, extremely fast, so that the
attached angels appear to be going away and coming back, very quickly.

#three shows what constellations are associated with four positions on the wheels, which appear to lock into place each time an angel on the wheel
rotates into that position. when the angels are rotating, the wheels are rotating because the angels are attached to the wheels.

#four the lightning is the gate, represented by the wheels with attached angels (the address is the constellations depicted by the angels), being
activated.

#five, suddenly, the big guy is there, floating over a firmament of awesome ice. i believe this is a description of the event horizon.

so how do we get from a fiery furnace and lake of fire to a firmament of awesome ice

oh he saw it by the river chebar which is in iraq, not far from enlil's ekur ziggurat.

undo it is really great to see you posting about this still after all these years, this thread is incredible, haven't read even close to enough from
it yet!

Congrates on keeping it going

Also Ezekiel's vision of god is a very interesting quote, those who wish to read

15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the
wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel
in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their
rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. 19 When the living creatures went, the
wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go,
they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures, was in the wheels. 21
When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with
them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

When he describes the 4 faced 'living creatures' what do you suppose he means in literally sense?

Also very worthy to note in the whole script in his vision when he is describing what he sees he constantly uses the word 'likeness' because I
imagine, he cannot truly describe what he is seeing.

the four faces presumably are different constellations. the feet represent taurus and i think, because it's not one of the faces, it must be saying
that taurus plays a different role in the scenario. among the possibilities are:

1. using it as the name of the destination at the other end of the wormhole, such as mars for example
2. using it as the name of the planet earth
3. using it as a calendar marking for dating the event

i have not figured out yet why the text there says the wheels lifted up from the earth. what is it a flying star gate? lol i will have to spend a
bit more time on just that description.

this video tries to depict it but i think its wrong about the location of the cherubim

i'm also a bit perplexed about the reference to their faces each going straight forward and not turning.

the four faces presumably are different constellations. the feet represent taurus and i think, because it's not one of the faces, it must be saying
that taurus plays a different role in the scenario. among the possibilities are:

1. using it as the name of the destination at the other end of the wormhole, such as mars for example
2. using it as the name of the planet earth
3. using it as a calendar marking for dating the event

i have not figured out yet why the text there says the wheels lifted up from the earth. what is it a flying star gate? lol i will have to spend a
bit more time on just that description.

this video tries to depict it but i think its wrong about the location of the cherubim

edit on 26-6-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)

Ah yeah that would make sense, a face of a man, lion, ox and eagle, the face of the man being our constellation perhaps.

It is also definitely worthy of noting he speaks of the colour being Beryl

Maybe they were taking it away, for the people here at that time wouldn't be able to use it properly? I dunno a flying stargate, a hard one to
understand at the moment ha

dr. michael heiser tried to explain it but he saw it as a mundane motif. still it has some interersting points in it, if you're interested. he's
one of those brainy guys, who knows several languages, many of them ancient, so you might have to resist the urge to turn it off. hang in there till
he's done so you get an idea of what the 4 faces are

Actually that went right by me while i'm focusing on the the energy aspects .. but you may be on to something

Two cherubim per Ark in opposite polarity from each other ... thats 4 .. Hmmm

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well what did you mean by 2 arks?
also, 2 more questions i asked in my posts above

1. how do we get from fiery furnace, lake of fire, to firmament of awesome ice?
2. could he have been witnessing the event from outside the pyramid (in this case, ziggurat, cause he was by the river chebar in iraq) since he ends
up having physiological problems after that?

1. how do we get from fiery furnace, lake of fire, to firmament of awesome ice?

I think the fiery furnace is an ark reference

The firmament of awesome ice ??? How about this ?

Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament,
and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament
Heaven.

2. could he have been witnessing the event from outside the pyramid (in this case, ziggurat, cause he was by the river chebar in iraq) since he ends
up having physiological problems after that?

I think yes he was .. and that amount of energy puts of gamma and other radiation .

I think he based it on the geometry ... It makes perfect sense though when you consider the resonant structure of the entire pyramid

and then you have representations like this ..

The lake of fire was a singular place in the after life that was good and bad depending on your deeds in life ..so I think we are looking at
something else here

.. but fiery furnace is mention in several cultures and it was said to enable one to open the gate .

The Eye Stone which Ray Brown found fits this representation .. and there are many Eyes mentioned in text Osiris Horus Thoth all had their own ..
even stories of battles over the eyes and repair jobs done on them

The phrase Fiery Furnace is an interpretation .. I'm referring to the cultures of the middle east at various periods describing what seems to be a
similar theme .. but its translation varies from person to person .

the doors of the sky are opened, the King has opened (the doors of the sky) because of the furnace heat which is beneath what the gods pour out.

this is a cool quote. i remember reading it when you posted it earlier. what is the phallus of babi (i know what a phallus is but it apparently
represents something else than a phallus) ? and what is it that "the gods pour out" ?

"The awe, perhaps, arose from his importance as the guardian of the gates to the heavens in the Old Kingdom, where his phallus formed the locking
bolt... "

yep the farther back you go, the closer you get to the original meaning of all these old symbols. same thing happens with the hathor references. and
where is he featured? around the egyptian lake of fire, which is really, the gates of heaven.

Where is this evidence i don't believe stargates are real. I don't think ancient documents claim they are real either. I don't believe other worlds
exist. I'm not sure how this whole thing has not been pushed into a hoax bin somewhere
3-d computer models don't really prove anything. How for example would the physics work how does one go from one star system to the next if life here
apparently happened by accident would'nt the lack of pressure or the crushing tons of pressure affect any living entity from gate to gate or is it
equal all around? I read your initial 30 pages of this thread your book and research and all that but can you really point to hard facts stargates are
real? I don't think you can as a matter of fact I know you can't, I do commend you for all the time you have put into your research but I think your
interpretation of what your looking at is quite a bit off, I really do. I guess its just an opinion but this thread has gone on for too long.

Originally posted by undo
"The awe, perhaps, arose from his importance as the guardian of the gates to the heavens in the Old Kingdom, where his phallus formed the locking
bolt... "

yep the farther back you go, the closer you get to the original meaning of all these old symbols. same thing happens with the hathor references. and
where is he featured? around the egyptian lake of fire, which is really, the gates of heaven.

A phallus is an erect penis, a penis-shaped object, or a mimetic image of an erect penis. Any object that symbolically resembles a penis may also be
referred to as a phallus; however, such objects are more often referred to as being phallic (as in "phallic symbol"). Such symbols often represent
the fertility and cultural implications that are associated with the male sexual organ, as well as the male orgasm.

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