Hotfixes (September 9th)

After monitoring thousands of Firelands kills, we've concluded that Retribution’s damage was not where we wanted it to be, so we're going to increase Censure damage by roughly 40%. We'll also be keeping an eye on paladin damage as we move towards patch 4.3. We expect that this hotfix should be applied sometime later today.

We're also considering shifting some of the damage from Hammer of Wrath into other attacks. While that may not necessarily cure some of the current concerns about proc reliance, it should help smooth out damage a bit.

September 9

Classes

Paladin

The damage dealt by Censure from Seal of Truth has been increased by 40%.

Quests and Creatures

If the Steamwheedle Rescue Balloon is killed at the start of Rocket Rescue, players should now be ejected properly, and the ballon reset to its home location.

When a player exits the Skeletal Steed vehicle in Welcome To The Machine, all quest NPCs will now despawn.

Comments

Comment by Alonei

Its nice to see Ret Pallys get a small buff, they certainly needed it. :)

Comment by Ewojil

on 2011-09-09T17:46:37-05:00

riiight...

Comment by No2mad2

on 2011-09-09T17:48:44-05:00

Yay! :) I always felt this didn't do enough damage.

Comment by Ovahealz

on 2011-09-09T18:01:09-05:00

Wow, blizzard never thinks about us PvPers do they? Censure already hits hard in arenas, now its just gonna be insane :(

Comment by Monday

on 2011-09-09T18:09:44-05:00

Yay Blizzard!

Comment by Chaosinfintium

on 2011-09-09T18:14:10-05:00

Ok Pvpers, you're part of the problem here or should the raider community point out the amount of nerfs that have been done across the board for "homogenization and PvP balance", Blizzard came up with a PVE solution for a PVE problem and oh the QQ's start to get louder cause it makes PvP that much more challenging.

Seriously tired of the PvP QQ's, Raiding end game content isn't about PvP and pally overall damage wasn't, especially in consideration of censure, hitting the mark for competent players and total newbs.

Comment by splemati

on 2011-09-09T18:15:04-05:00

Sadly, PvP seems to be a very minor concern. Personally, I'm all about the "war" in Warcraft so PvP is my main thing, which is why I don't play WoW very often other than to jump in TB. There just isn't much to do if you're not into end-game exclusively, and have already done the holidays, achievements, other special fun stuff or lvled enough alts to drive yourself insane with the quest lines.

Comment by kanivara

on 2011-09-09T18:38:05-05:00

Wow, blizzard never thinks about us PvPers do they? Censure already hits hard in arenas, now its just gonna be insane :(

Oh shut up. Do you know often PvE gets screwed over by PvPers? TOO OFTEN. Now shut up and go play in your little arena. Let the big kids have their fun in the raid.

Comment by Azazel

on 2011-09-09T19:11:34-05:00

Wow, blizzard never thinks about us PvPers do they? Censure already hits hard in arenas, now its just gonna be insane :(

Oh shut up. Do you know often PvE gets screwed over by PvPers? TOO OFTEN. Now shut up and go play in your little arena. Let the big kids have their fun in the raid.

And do you know how many times it goes the other way too? Blizzard focuses more on PvE than PvP, plus you shouldn't insult PvPers for what they like and don't like. It's just that part of the game they find fun, and perhaps raiding just isn't something for them.

Comment by Audrie

on 2011-09-09T19:16:36-05:00

I'm very happy to hear about any attention the devs are paying to Ret. I've loved the spec through thick and thin, so I'll be glad when it's truly back up to par with other classes. It sounds like this is a good start.

EDIT: Typo fix.

Comment by Interest

on 2011-09-09T20:19:24-05:00

Wow, blizzard never thinks about us PvPers do they? Censure already hits hard in arenas, now its just gonna be insane :(

Really? I don't think that's particularly the largest part of the problem with Ret in arena.

Comment by Silvertale

on 2011-09-09T20:27:01-05:00

Why are you PvP-haters making us PvE people look like jerks? Stop it.

Although a damage boost to Censure and smoothing it overall is nice, damage isn't the biggest concern when it comes to PvP. I mean, we're the only melee class without any good way to get to people. No slows or charges or anything.

At least it's nice to see they're trying to fix things. I wish they focused a little on Shamans too though, they've been a bit in the dark lately as well.

Comment by Kerovane

on 2011-09-09T21:11:43-05:00

Wow, blizzard never thinks about us PvPers do they? Censure already hits hard in arenas, now its just gonna be insane :(

Oh shut up. Do you know often PvE gets screwed over by PvPers? TOO OFTEN. Now shut up and go play in your little arena. Let the big kids have their fun in the raid.

Anyone who has an issue with the QQ is just not perceptive. To a PVPer this change sucks as censure is pretty hard hitting as is, and 40% increases are no small steps. You'd be crying just as hard if it were the other way around, and I wouldn't criticize you if you were crying about it.

Personally, as much as Blizz wants to build bridges between PvE and PvP, they're just two completely different worlds, and as such I believe coding things to effect one side only is the best option. I mean resilience is already an example of a statistic that only affects PvP, so maybe this censure increase should only affect PvE targets for example? Just a thought.

Comment by Interest

on 2011-09-09T21:44:58-05:00

Why are you PvP-haters making us PvE people look like jerks? Stop it.

Although a damage boost to Censure and smoothing it overall is nice, damage isn't the biggest concern when it comes to PvP. I mean, we're the only melee class without any good way to get to people. No slows or charges or anything.

At least it's nice to see they're trying to fix things. I wish they focused a little on Hunters too though, they've been a bit in the dark lately as well.

There. Made the post more accurate for you =P.

Oh wait, you meant PvE...sorry =(

Comment by Onijitsu

on 2011-09-10T02:50:52-05:00

This definitely needed to be fixed. Thank you Blizzard.

As far as PvE and PvP go? Honestly, I think the problem lies in trying to balance the two against one another. Blizzard has been reluctant to treat the two separately, but they are two very different animals. I think Blizzard may eventually decide to make talents and abilities behave differently under PvE and PvP conditions. There are already several examples of this we could cite. I think that, once Blizzard stops trying to force the two into one bottle, like oil and water, balancing classes will become much easier for both PvE and PvP.

And motion seconded, motion carried: stop the PvP QQing. I do both. I enjoy both. I don't find Ret Pallies any more or less OP than anyone else. (And I typically do my Arenas in Holy spec) Try going up against a Blood DK sometime... or a half-competent RLS (Rogue-Lock-Shaman) team. Ugh.

Comment by Technosis

on 2011-09-12T09:01:32-05:00

much needed i seriously don't feel like i don't do enough

Comment by TomatoSauce

on 2011-09-12T09:33:31-05:00

Consequences will never be the same. Ever.

Comment by Broksar

on 2011-09-12T10:30:51-05:00

Ok Pvpers, you're part of the problem here or should the raider community point out the amount of nerfs that have been done across the board for "homogenization and PvP balance", Blizzard came up with a PVE solution for a PVE problem and oh the QQ's start to get louder cause it makes PvP that much more challenging.

Seriously tired of the PvP QQ's, Raiding end game content isn't about PvP and pally overall damage wasn't, especially in consideration of censure, hitting the mark for competent players and total newbs.

Sorry but nobody provides the 'qq' that pve provides. You cry about: one tank being better than another, you cry about one healer being better than another, you cry about one dps being better than another, you cry about gear not dropping and when it drops you cry about not getting it, or if you get it you cry about not liking the stats, you cry content being too hard, you cry about content being too easy, you cry about content not being there, you cry about too much content, you cry about content not coming out fast enough, you cry about content coming out too fast, you cry about people downing content faster than you, you cry about people downing the same content as you, you cry about pvp being unfair when you have participate for holiday achievements, you cry about holiday achievements being too hard, you cry about holiday achievements being too easy, you cry about the drops from holiday bosses being too good, you cry about them not being good enough, you cry about getting ganked during holiday boss runs. I'd list more but I'm getting bored.

Just go about your business of participating in scripted fights that you can read about, watch videos about AND then use DBM while sometimes having a raid leader call out strategies in vent.

Comment by OverZealous

on 2011-09-12T10:46:47-05:00

Sorry but nobody provides the 'qq' that pve provides. You cry about: one tank being better than another, you cry about one healer being better than another, you cry about one dps being better than another, you cry about gear not dropping and when it drops you cry about not getting it, or if you get it you cry about not liking the stats, you cry content being too hard, you cry about content being too easy, you cry about content not being there, you cry about too much content, you cry about content not coming out fast enough, you cry about content coming out too fast, you cry about people downing content faster than you, you cry about people downing the same content as you, you cry about pvp being unfair when you have participate for holiday achievements, you cry about holiday achievements being too hard, you cry about holiday achievements being too easy, you cry about the drops from holiday bosses being too good, you cry about them not being good enough, you cry about getting ganked during holiday boss runs. I'd list more but I'm getting bored.

Just go about your business of participating in scripted fights that you can read about, watch videos about AND then use DBM while sometimes having a raid leader call out strategies in vent.

Actually, both PvPers and PvEers "QQ" in equal measure. PvPers just happen to have fewer things to complain about. Just don't pretend that you've never seen the masses crying about Frost Mages being OP, Balance Druids not being viable, etc. etc. ^^

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