There was a guy on the german shepherd database saying he was selling his dogs because he was flooded out due to hurricane in Houston. His address is suppose to be Deleted TOS violation Western Rider Admin. His name is suppose to be CHUCK DURAND but i dont think that is really his name. He is supposedly living with his sister right now in Baton Rouge. He got me for 4200.00 Canadian for a dog he says he was selling and his flight. I did not get the dog. He is also trying to sell other dogs. Coated black and reds. His phone number is 2252350554. The dogs name was Buta v.d. Alexandar. Watch for him or this seller..

by NorthwindsGS on 04 October 2017 - 01:10

Isn't this the guy who posted awhile ago he never received dogs he had purchased overseas? I believe he posted warnings on scams himself for two different importers who are active in this site. If true it is pretty sad to see him turn around and do the same thing he claimed happened to him. 🙁

by hexe on 04 October 2017 - 07:10

I saw his ad from a few days ago, saying he was having to sell all his dogs, including an imported bred female...it was on here.

That said, is it possible that the flight was cancelled, or the dog wasn't permitted to fly due to the weather? Have you spoken with him since then? You might be jumping the gun a bit, though he does have an obligation to stay in communication with you at least until you receive the dog...

by 1GSD1 on 04 October 2017 - 09:10

Someone on Facebook said he scammed her and several other people! I can probably find it if need be.

by Kaffirdog on 04 October 2017 - 09:10

Just had a look at this ad and this bit would worry me " She is two almost 3 this is third litter first 8 second 12 pups"

by fleetbreeze on 04 October 2017 - 13:10

so he still has ads on the database. I would think they would take his ads off. Yes I have tried to contact him there is no reply his phone goes to voice mail. I checked his address out well the one he gave me it is not obviously the right one as it is for sale says it has never been flooded. his email is gavinspawpaw@gmail.com PLEASE if anyone sees this do not send him money.

by hexe on 04 October 2017 - 21:10

Kaffirdog, there's a lot of things in that ad that don't sit well with me. In addition to the point you mention, there's the "hips and elbows are x-rayed and are good. Not OFA certified". The "very pregnant and needs to be sold now as she is due to have pups in three weeks." But what would red-flag it for me most of all is the "I will not use PayPal don't ask"--because at least if the purchase is made via PayPal, PayPal will provide protection for the buyer if, say, the dog is paid for but never shows up, or she were to arrive and not be pregnant at all, or have abnormal hips or elbows.

flatbreeze, I feel badly for you...hopefully you are able to either get your money back or the dog you paid for. This is why I wouldn't send money to someone I don't know, in another country, for a dog I've never seen; it may have been cheaper for you to fly in and see the dog than this is going to turn out to be. I wish you luck. As for his present ads, you need to contact one of the moderators via private message here and provide them with proof of the situation [receipt or cancelled check for the money you sent, etc.], and they will look into the issue and pull his ads if necessary. The guy's user name on this site is vomhausdurandkennels.

Edited to add: Yes, this is the same person who complained about not receiving their papers--a valid complaint, to be fair--and who then established a Facebook page called "Crook's Theives and Liars" [sic]. BTW, that's a closed group, so one would need to join it before one could post OR read anything on there--not much of a help as far as warning other people about the crooks, thieves and liars. He obviously hasn't fallen off the face of the Earth, or lost his phone and has no access to the internet, since he posted on his own Facebook page just 3 hours ago, though there's been no activity on his kennel's Facebook page since Sept. 21.

by hexe on 05 October 2017 - 00:10

Aaand he updated the ad he has on here for the pregnant bitch just a few hours ago, so he's still accessing this site.

by Western Rider on 05 October 2017 - 02:10

I sent him a PM suggesting that he respond to this post. Let's see what he does. I will not pull his Ad or ban him at this time as I have no proof of a scam nor heard both sides.

Does seem strange as he has complained about others doing the same thing

by hexe on 05 October 2017 - 03:10

WR, yes, it's certainly not something one would expect from him, given his own experience!

Hopefully there's a reasonable explanation and the OP either receives the dog they paid for, or gets a timely refund of all monies paid.