I simmed as edgy had with all defaults etc.. since when do the 3 trees equal 370k SOTF vs 377K with FON.. taking HOTW last... how would you rotate that in to a keyboard that has almost every key bound I can reach for combat , and the 2 mouse keys are used... Edgy I seen you opt for HOTW and FON . I find DOC almost impossible to do error free thus I only use it on nourushen , one boss fights etc. even then I once broke 400k on our last heroic 25 kill. all the others are in the 330-370ish and a am aware of staying under the 25 corrupt and not close to the orb expl... so I know that its quite variable. I have decided to stick with HOTW but can you explain how you rotate your FON and key binds and or macros , I see you have RORO but I have ted and Tal 567 and it still comes out 7k ahead .. can you help .. I only macro my pot for the second zerk otherwise everything is own its own key. I d like to have an extra 7k if its not very difficult to add in.. Thanks

I use SotF/DoC or SotF/HotW in PvE, but I like HotW/FoN for PvP. For me, FoN is too annoying in PvE. Starting from HotW/SotF (double passive) going to DoC is better than going to FoN. FoN is pretty optimized in Catus, it was the first ability that got improved bleed logic.

I use [V] for FoN, which used to be Travel Form (which is now [shift+V] since that ability is so rarely used now). Normally, my V is blank. Occasionally, I'll put Vortex there too. I don't recommend using [V].

yeah I do see why you would use soft on multi targs, but I am not understanding the bleed logic for the extra 7 to 8 k with HOTW and FON plus ovale and leafkillers script dosent even show when to use them other than the first box after that your own your own unless im doing something wrong or maybe they are only in the script if you have RORO which I do not... can someone that PVE's and has tried this verify that it is that much more on a single target and whether ovale has a problem or do I need to open up more boxes besides the one big one

When you have FoN talent selected, if you scroll down to "Computed Statistics" and [alt]-click "FoN", you get the absolute damage threshold of the Treant Rake that's being used by Catus. This number is derived from simulation by using your current buffs/gear/procs/consumables/etc.

also there is no box that says when to use them , am I supposed to just keep using them and not let them ever cap whether trinks are up or not or do I have to watch for trinkets to proc then press the treant tree , I am not sure what that trigger 1.57 was but im getting way way lower on target dummys it starts at 308 k like it says but I end up in the 260-275 k range

No because I haven't done a 7.5 min setup and and obviously I am supposed to pop them on any trink.. but the thread says never let any one go to waste and / or do I wait and not pop any treants even if ted and HT are at 1.5 and 1 max I pop all three or pop one every time one is refreshed?

You pop what you have (1-2 trees, never 3 since you'd be capped) either at end of HS proc or start of TED proc. Never sit at 3 charges, just burn one if you're going to cap. With the proper DPS threshold (like the one used in Catus), this should be a rare occurrence (since the threshold is determined by doing worst-case analysis of damage for your gear/buffs/etc. available over the a 1-minute window -- the time it takes for a full recharge.)

You could make a WeakAura that computes the estimated Treant Rake damage like Catus, and just goes "Red/Green" if the damage is above the calculated threshold.

I think about it as a damage threshold, and not "X trinket or Y proc", because there are often multiple combinations of things that satisfy the threshold, like Potion+SS+DS might be enough to hit the threshold in certain situations.