For those that wish to provide feedback, here are some pictures of the shirt from my first order.

The areas that are always problematic for me are the chest, shoulders, yoke, and waist. Generally, if one area fits, then the others do not. I tried to account for these areas in the order, but seem to have still missed the mark. The chest is tight, the shoulders are pulling across the upper chest, the yoke perhaps a bit too wide, and the waist could use some trimming.

My preferred fit would definitely err on the side of tailored/trim without areas that bind. However, as you can see in the pictures, some adjustments are required in order to meet that objective.

I think so? I thought that may just be a hard and fixed rule for white tie, though I could certainly be mistaken there.

Either way, I think I'd much rather eschew proper rules and go with a turn down collar, rather than the wing...something about it (perhaps it's the stupid, stumpy weightlifting neck lol) just does not appeal to me.

I think so? I thought that may just be a hard and fixed rule for white tie, though I could certainly be mistaken there.

Either way, I think I'd much rather eschew proper rules and go with a turn down collar, rather than the wing...something about it (perhaps it's the stupid, stumpy weightlifting neck lol) just does not appeal to me.

No. Shirts with an attached wing collar never look right. Wing collars are starched so as to be almost rigid, which, amongst other things, allows the collar to not collapse under the tie. An attached collar shirt couldn't be starched like that (I think it would be unwearable).