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Well I'd be willing to bet that a significant portion of CP enthusiasts have send or received seed from overseas without proper permits and customs declarations under the guise of regular business or personal correspondence. I bet a number of CP enthusiasts have shipped live plants with media from outdoors from quarantine areas (Japanese beetles etc.) to states that restrict movement across the state borders of such media without phytosanitary declarations.

In terms of moral laws, I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if it was, say, 100 seeds, as are a couple of other listings. But this guy has some 20 different listings at any time with quantities up to the tens of thousands. If someone offered me 50 seeds that they already picked, I would probably accept it. But fifteen thousand? That's nuts.

Well I'd be willing to bet that a significant portion of CP enthusiasts have send or received seed from overseas without proper permits and customs declarations under the guise of regular business or personal correspondence. I bet a number of CP enthusiasts have shipped live plants with media from outdoors from quarantine areas (Japanese beetles etc.) to states that restrict movement across the state borders of such media without phytosanitary declarations.

Now who is going to cast the first stone?

Warren, are you now going to tell me that there's gambling in Casablanca?

In terms of moral laws, I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if it was, say, 100 seeds, as are a couple of other listings. But this guy has some 20 different listings at any time with quantities up to the tens of thousands. If someone offered me 50 seeds that they already picked, I would probably accept it. But fifteen thousand? That's nuts.

to put things in perspective a single plant can produce quite a few seeds.....you could prolly hit 15,000 in under 20 stalks if they are large ones.....

I personally would not buy from this or any other person overseas because I could not in good conscience do so knowing I am not doing so legally on my side. The transaction would never get so far as to question whether or not the seller actually collected them legally.

I think if we all take care of our own ***** when it comes to right and wrong, the wrong will have much less opportunity for enterprise.

I'm pretty sure it's beyond reasonable doubt... he SAYS he wild collected them, and he SAYS he'll mark them to fool customs, and the listings themselves of 15,000 seeds shows that he's selling them for personal gain. If that isn't "Guilty", I don't know what is.