After watching the first episode I thought.. "s*** this is pretty good". So then I didn't watch any more of it at all, and read all the books. Which are huge btw. Must have taken at least a year. If they were crap I would not have had the patience to read them. I avoided all spoilers and web crap.

Then watched the episodes over a couple weeks intensive style. Impressively made shows. Great casting.

I watch most of these

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Pretty sure that scene was to teach Arya that most people are just normal folk getting swept up in the madness of the powerful and don't deserve her wrath.

The worst thing about GoT is all the actors getting cast in other s*** and ruining it. F*** Loras for ruining Iron Fist and the Inhumans looks like a steaming pile of s*** and it's probably all Ramsay's fault.

Not as good as the first one but it's alright. It's like pizza, even mediocre pizza is still pizza. Old Theon faltered at the moment of truth, wonder if he will ever get his s*** together. This is going to mess up Dannies plans, I wonder if she will attack King's Landing now. Almost had a hot leso scene though......damn it. Couldn't old mate wait half an hour so we could have been some nice girl on girl action.

I had to look away during the scab cutting bit, I knew it was gonna be bad as soon as you see the picture in Sam's book of a dude getting his back sliced off :( Loved that scene transition at the end though, that was clever

Arya's bits are starting to feel a bit too fan-servicey though, meeting back up with hotpie, seeing her wolf again, I've gone from being really interested in seeing where her story goes to feeling like her scenes are a bit of a waste of screen time :(

Battle at the end was pretty cool though, Euron's crazy demon head gangplank thing that came down and mashed a guy made me laugh. Also worth it to see those annoying sisters get owned.

Dragonstone and Kings Landing aren't they far away from each other, but they were sailing south from Dragonstone anyway though and heading back to Dorne, so they'd be pretty much going past kings landing to get there, would be easy enough for Euron to intercept them. I was thinking more how the f*** did he know where they were? Especially at night too

I thought the Sam s***-pot montage was on of the best moments of any season so far.

Was sure Cersei's old mate was going to unveil something a little more amazing than a f*****g ballista. noone has ever tried to shoot down a f*****g dragon before? like that is some stroke of genius? seems kinda f*****g derp to me.

episode 3 was pretty good. I like the way Dany is managing to f*** up her invasion and get outplayed at every turn so far. keeping things spicy and hopefully take her arrogance down a notch. seems she needs Jon Snow way more than she could've thought.

Was sure Cersei's old mate was going to unveil something a little more amazing than a f*****g ballista. noone has ever tried to shoot down a f*****g dragon before? like that is some stroke of genius? seems kinda f*****g derp to me.

The way this season has gone so far is whenever they show you someones plans they fall apart a few scenes later, so good bet that the ballista doesn't exactly win the day for ol' Cersei.

Nice to see Headly's body double getting another brief appearance this week.

Was sure Cersei's old mate was going to unveil something a little more amazing than a f*****g ballista. noone has ever tried to shoot down a f*****g dragon before?

Yeah, that is a good point. I would have imagined that there would have been a few of those around to fight the Targaryens and their dragons. Perhaps those were just standard ballistas and not old mate's specially crafted dragon killer ones.

@ Raven - That is an interesting thought, I remember back in season 2 or something when Danny visits the magical tower thing and meets those weird dudes who want to control her and her dragons. She gets a vision of the throne room in King's Landing where it's empty and there are holes in the walls and there is snow falling through. I don't remember much about it though. Maybe there is no happy ending.

Was sure Cersei's old mate was going to unveil something a little more amazing than a f*****g ballista. noone has ever tried to shoot down a f*****g dragon before?

Yeah, that is a good point. I would have imagined that there would have been a few of those around to fight the Targaryens and their dragons. Perhaps those were just standard ballistas and not old mate's specially crafted dragon killer ones.

Plot Device.

In the books Euron has something much, much more useful .. supposedly. We don't actually know if it works as the books haven't revealed that yet.
Except to use that something Euron has in the show, would mean including a bunch of arcs they have totally skipped. So I guess the Balista is the s*** version of what Euron supposedly has.

The f*****g White Walkers plod South, takes at least 6.5 seasons to get to the wall (if they get there this season..) ..

And Bran, who cant even f*****g walk, gets from the deep North, to the wall, to Winterfell .. in a strong winter (a white walker winter at that) ... in what ... an episode or two?

If a little kid sitting on a sled being pulled by a small (but lean) older kid, through extreme snowy weather, can make it that far so quickly what the hell are the white walkers doing, stopping for picnics? It's not like they need to sleep, or eat .. they just shamble 24/7.
Perhaps the Night King doesn't have a compass?

If the White Walkers can't cross running water then they won't be walking around the Wall.

And the Wall is still there. If they can't go around, they need to go through the Wall. Which is magically warded against them.

They need a way to defeat the Wall. Which at present they obviously don't possess, so it doesn't really matter how slowly they travel. Maybe, in the meantime, they've just been roaming the north of the wall killing/turning anything alive.

Book readers have been given hints that there is a way to destroy the Wall. Mind you, that sub-plot doesn't exist in the tv show so there is obviously something else....

Either they'll walk around the wall or they'll get through it the same way they got to the Three-Eyed Raven - Bran has been marked by the Night King.

Here's a theory I heard and agree with. For Team Dani, the south is lost. The Unsullied are stranded as are the Dornish. The Lannisters are provisioned and fortified at Highgarden. The Iron Fleet control the seas. I reckon Dani and crew will sneak up north and hide behind the wall/close to it and let the White Walkers go to war with the Lannisters and their allies. Then when the time is right, swoop in and destroy the White Walkers with their dragon glass and dragon fire and either rout the remaining Lannisters or accept their surrender.

I downloaded the 720p version but it looked like just an upscaled 360p version to me, so I just deleted it. I will wait for tomorrow's proper rip. Thanks for keeping it spoiler free until tomorrow. I hope it's as good as you say.

Something horrible is gonna have to happen to all the Starks, s*** is just getting way too happy there. The only time stuff gets that happy and upbeat in game of thrones is right before something terrible happens

I don't think Jaime will be dead, if they wanted to kill him, they would have not bothered saving him from the dragon. I actually thought he was f***ed at that point, I didn't expect him to get last minute crash tackled out of the way

no, he's heading to eastwatch-by-the-sea. it's the same place jon sent tormund to.

i loved how freaked out littlefinger was after bran said "chaos is a ladder". that's the same line littlefinger spoke to varys back in season 3.

I googled this because wtf. Yeah it turns out he was lecturing Varys on Chaos.

Bran is odd, I get he is being consumed by his powers and forgetting who he is. But the old 3-eyed raven wasn't like Bran, he seemed to have a personality. It's Paul Atreides from Dune style omniscience, which means he sees possibilities but not events. I wonder then, does he seem a convergence of possibilities? A single event that all timelines lead to...

because currently for an all-seeing cripple he sure is doing jack s***.

FYI, the dagger is gonna be super important of course.

Or bran because he would know or will know that littlefinger betrayed their dad and possibly gave that knife to his wanna be cut throat.

I always thought this was funny because Eddard Stark was a f*****g idiot. Littlefinger advised him clearly to not be a dumbass and shut his mouth about the children being bastards. He had little choice, go against the lannisters and get smashed or screw over Eddard Stark, have him banished to the wall. He didn't foresee Joffrey killing Eddard and starting a revolt.

Littlefinger has a hardon for Stark girls, so imo he's actually one of the more loyal subjects.

Do they release Game of thrones on 4K blu-ray now? I haven't checked, but I'd absolutely be up for some UltraHD 4k Game of Thrones, I'd probably wait till its over though and buy the whole series on 4k and rewatch it all, that'd be epic

That would be a great ending, Jon and Dany riding a dragon into a sunset.

Yeah but it's Game of Thrones, so it'll be done more like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, where he's riding off in to the sunset slumped over on the dragon dead.

Also, how screwed is Cersei now? She's now lost everything she was going to use to repay the iron bank (you know what they say about putting all your eggs in one basket) AND she's just had her army wiped out. Now she's at the mercy of Euron and the Iron Bank, and I'm sure the other realms will see to revolt given she can't stop them.

She hasn't lost any of the gold that was to repay the debt to the Iron Bank.
Just before the final battle, when Tarly rode up to Jaime, he reported that the wagon with all the gold made it safely through the gate at the Red Keep in King's Landing.

The wagon train that Drogon burnt was full of captured food etc. So her armies (and people in KL) might starve but the debt to the Iron Bank is paid.

Also, how screwed is Cersei now? She's now lost everything she was going to use to repay the iron bank

I think that was just the food that got destroyed, cos there was a comment at the start of the scene about how all the gold was already safe inside Kings Landing. Still, with no food, shes still pretty screwed.

Edit: Hey, I should have checked the last page before replying I guess. Third times a charm?

I don't even think it was most of the army, I think they were with the gold and the lot that got burnt up had just fallen behind.

I'm wondering what will happen to Jamie as Tyrion should have seen the last minute save and considering his loyalty has been questioned a few times I wonder whether he will leave Bron to save him or get Danny's men to fish him out so he can be used as a bargaining chip.

I'm also thinking that the Arya/Big Lady spar might be foreshadowing for a Mountain/Arya face off.

Seems possible that Jaime may be captured, again. The Lannister forces were overrun so I don't really see how he'll be rescued or how he'll escape. I am going overseas for a week so there'll be two episodes of GoT and Rick and Morty waiting for me when I get home!!!

Raven, the old dude that rides up to Jamie and Bronn says that the gold has made it through the gates at kings landing, so the gold is secure. What was attacked was the rear of the army, the stragglers, which the old man (cant remember his name) wanted to whip. Jamie didn't like that idea... oh how much he must regret not listening to experience.

I feel like we are getting to the awkward stage where the slow build up of the white walkers that's been going on as an inevitable climax needs to take over from the game of thrones part that most of Westeros has been focused on.

I mean Danny went from BBQ'ing 2 dudes that had bad knees to agreeing to not immediately killing Cersei if she some how agrees to help fight the white walkers and then Cersei went from fighting to their deaths to maybe we can just talk things out? All in the one episode.

Oh s***. Rhaegar confirmed to be married to the stark girl. Oh s*** Jon is the rightful king.

I mean Danny went from BBQ'ing 2 dudes that had bad knees to agreeing to not immediately killing Cersei if she some how agrees to help fight the white walkers and then Cersei went from fighting to their deaths to maybe we can just talk things out? All in the one episode.

It's fairly clear the writers of the show can't hold a candle to old GRRM. But they're Cersei is using it as a ploy. SHe's clearly on the losing side, with more time she can out maneuver her enemies

I feel things are moving along too quick now. Major plot point to major plot point in the blink of an eye. Some people probably like that but... it feels like I'm eating dessert every meal and I need some meat and veg. You can really tell they've run out of book and just hitting the highlights now to finish it up.

I feel things are moving along too quick now. Major plot point to major plot point in the blink of an eye. Some people probably like that but... it feels like I'm eating dessert every meal and I need some meat and veg. You can really tell they've run out of book and just hitting the highlights now to finish it up.

Yeah, it does feel a bit like that, I'm wondering if its because of the shorter season they need to cram more in. Or yeah, maybe its just cos they're run out of book and they're not just as good at writing as GRRM

Yeah, it does feel a bit like that, I'm wondering if its because of the shorter season they need to cram more in. Or yeah, maybe its just cos they're run out of book and they're not just as good at writing as GRRM

imo it feels quick because character location changes now occur within the same episode (sometimes multiple times) instead of over the course of multiple episodes. there's fewer characters now and most of them are sharing scenes together so there's not enough story filler to pad out the episodes and make the journey's seem longer.

Spoiler:wait so what he bens d knee but he doesn't actually Ben D Knee....and Drogons bro Viserion get's iced, so if you hovered over the spoiler tag by almost on accident it's probably now you'd wish you hadn't

imo it feels quick because character location changes now occur within the same episode (sometimes multiple times) instead of over the course of multiple episodes. there's fewer characters now and most of them are sharing scenes together so there's not enough story filler to pad out the episodes and make the journey's seem longer.

Yeah, but its gone way too far in the opposite direction, people jump from place to place like everywhere in Westeros is only a few hours away from everywhere else. Without posting spoilers, but it was taken to a ridiculous extreme in episode 6, and that just comes down to s*** writing.

Not so much the location jumping, as much as the timeframes, like so much happens and they cover so much distance in what realistically can't be more than a few hours, and it just really stood out to me as sloppy in that episode especially. The world used to feel huge and like a real place, now it feels tiny and things are as close to each other as they need to be for the writers to pull out their deus ex machinas.

I saw something from him that said there will be at least one ASOIAF world book from him in 2018, maybe 2. what do you want to bet that the one that is actually released is the big history of the targaryens rather than f*****g winds of winter?

July 2011 was the last one, so its over 6 years to write this book, probably going on 7 by the time it actually comes out. He had so much lead time, I remember when the show started, we all imagined he'd have the series wrapped up before the show caught up to the books, and he pretty much hasn't released a new book for the entire time the show has been on tv.

Said to my partner the other day that Jamie is acting rings around everyone else.

Yeah he does well, he has to be in the top 5 of my favourite characters.

Ser Davos Seaworth does an excellent job too.

I have to give mad props to The Hound as well, he's doing excellent, btw he is totally going to be Azor Ahai reborn, so much foreshadowing with him being afraid of fire .. totally obvious he is going to powerup at some point and have to step into/through fire to do something epic and in the process .. becomes reborn. Be he does a Deus Ex Machina moment on Baby Blue Dragon (which for some reason has been turned to stone) and f**** s*** up.

Poor Tyrion hasn't had many opportunities to do his magic this season, the fast pace of the scenes and having to pander to the every growing narcissistic Danny is messing with his s***.

So in the time it takes for water to freeze, Gendry ran back to East Watch, sent a raven to dragonstone and then Daenerys flew back on her dragons. That's just ridiculous, shoddy writing

To me I felt the Fellowship of the Hound journey (which admittedly had some solid exchanges mainly by The Hound and his lover Tormund) was across several days .. thinking on it, they didn't show camping.. Then Gendry runs back to wall and is puffed in that scene implying he ran the whole way .. which couldn't have been all that far given you now .. at least ankle/knee deep snow everywhere.

Distance between East Watch and Dragonstone is about 2400 Km's. A raven flying at a non-stop cracking pace, about 80 km/h would take at about 30 hours to get there. Likely it'd average at a slower speed, so at least 48 hours seems reasonable (add in rest time too).

Then assuming Danny jumped straight onto her dragon .. I think it's fair to say that the Dragon could fly maybe 150km/h without Danny being swept off, she has no saddle at all.. it'd get tiring as well having to grip strongly with the constant assault of wind and the gusts that randomly happen..
That's another 16 hours at least .. realistically Danny would surely have to make a pitstop..

So that means the Fellowship of the Hound had to be sitting on that rock for a good ... 3 days..
I guess that makes it understandable why The Hound was bored out of his skull and starting throwing rocks.. Given his rather impulsive nature that's an epic feat ;)

I totally hated the, yet another Deus Ex Machina, moment of Coldhands showing up and .. well his ending was pathetically s***.

So in the time it takes for water to freeze, gendry ran back to eastwatch, sent a raven to dragonstone and then Daenerys flew back on her dragons. That's just ridiculous, shoddy writing

To be fair, the water could have been frozen for ages, it wasn't until the Hound threw the rock and showed the Army of the Most Patient that it was frozen.. We'll just ignore why the Night King and his White walker buddies didn't think about .. they were just sitting back, chillen and doing a boss-level brooding at Jon.

Also, Night King - 2017 Javelin World Champ.

Also ..

WHERE THE F*** DID THEY GET THOSE EPIC CHAINS FROM? Shot after Shot after shot of the Walking Dead Army showed absolutely NO provisions other than what they are shambling along with, not even the dead Giants were carrying anything much. ..

I guess they located, mined, smelted and forged them whilst Jon rode off into the sunset.

Jon not jumping on the dragon in favour of getting a few more kills didn't really feel in character for him. I'd understand it if it was The Hound, but Jon staying back to fight a little longer just felt forced.

After old mate threw that spear, I'd be burninating him and his buddies straight away too.

Agree about the chains too - not only where did they get them, but how did they get them on the dragon? If they are able to just walk them down because they don't need to breathe, I would've thought the ones that went down with Jon would've easily messed him up?

I'm also getting tired of Jon 'dying' - I'm hoping they keep doing it so that everyone will think of Jon what Biggie thought of Tupac in this clip https://youtu.be/muKY_f0iaKs?t=15s

Also, Jon getting Danny to side with him, and then being all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUSFow70no even though he didn't need to was annoying. I'd have preferred he stuck to his guns - the North will probably think the same too...

Jon not jumping on the dragon in favour of getting a few more kills didn't really feel in character for him. I'd understand it if it was The Hound, but Jon staying back to fight a little longer just felt forced.

My theory is, again, that the Night King knows what he's doing and apart from the second javelin miss it's all been proceeding according to his plan...

That is, he knows his army can't get past the wall normally due to the magical protections so he needs something special to take care of that. So he's been in no rush to head to the wall itself. In his amazing patience (and maybe with some sort of prophecy?) he's been waiting for some dragons to show up exactly so that he can take one out and Lich King the f*** out of it.

Yeah I don't think he just downloads history like a matrix style injection, he has to go through it.

Prolly every time he goes to the weirwood, he grabs a chunk.

Is the frost wyrm breath ice or blue fire? I need to know. Why couldn't this have been explained instead of us having to wait another year for it to burn or ice humans?!

Breddy gud ep, things I liked:- Sansa not selling out her house and the death of littlefinger.- Danny doing it to the one true king.- The threat of cleganebowl.- Jamie becoming a sell sword.- The fall of the wall. Was not expecting this. - The golden company conspiracy with Euron

I'm so glad Cersei is a double crossing b****, would have been super boring if she actually went north to fight the undead.

Also super glad that Jamie finally told her to get f***ed, little sad that every-mans bro Bron wasn't there with him at the end scene.

I fully expect a lot of beloved characters to get killed off next season and it will all be made up for with a hopefully satisfying death for Cersei. I'm thinking with the speed at which the wall fell that the last battle might actually be held at Kings Landing.

How could you not see that coming!? The moment Baby Blue got jav'd was the moment the wall was coming down by fire, or ice-fire, or whatever that s*** is.
I was really hoping it wouldn't be that, but well .. they really didn't have time to make it a bit more substantial. The wall was supposed to protected by magic, I figure in the books it'll be a bit more complicated.

Also.I'm going to bet all my $$'s Danny is now pregnant with super sayen king Jon seed in her, that was totally a getting pregnant sex scene.

The highlight of the episode and season tho:

Then I'm putting my winnings on The Hound for CLLLLLEEEEGGGAAANNNBBBOOOOWWWWLLLLLL IT'S BACK ON B******!

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I really liked little finger, he was a great character. The way he died was really lame, a master tactician killed by two little girls? Come on.

My theory is, again, that the Night King knows what he's doing and apart from the second javelin miss it's all been proceeding according to his plan...

That is, he knows his army can't get past the wall normally due to the magical protections so he needs something special to take care of that. So he's been in no rush to head to the wall itself. In his amazing patience (and maybe with some sort of prophecy?) he's been waiting for some dragons to show up exactly so that he can take one out and Lich King the f*** out of it.

I was thinking something similar. What was his plan to deal with the wall before there were dragons?

the show already covered this. he was created by the children when they stabbed a dude in the heart with dragon glass.

Someone who reads the books should confirm this: but the books are different in the White Walker origin story. It's never discussed where they came from apart from somewhere north that's always winter.

The story of white walkers being created by the children of the forest is only for the TV series.

Rough timeline is something like:

~12k years ago First men appear on Westeros~Wage war with the children of the forest~First Men and Children form a pact, truce for 2k years~White walkers appear and attack children + first men~White walkers get pushed back to the north, wall is built, wintefell is built, nights watch gets formed~Andals invade westeros 6k years ago, kill both first men and children, convert everyone to whatever religion form 7 kingdoms

Well, to be fair, the books haven't got that far, that might be how the white walkers were made in the books too but we just haven't got to the reveal yet. In the books Bran has only just got to the tree where the 3 eyed raven is and in the show, that flashback where you find out how the Night King became the Night King was something Bran saw while he was training and s***, so that could still happen in the next book

The whole Bran is Bran the Builder theory got a whole lot more complicated as well. If the wall was only built because Bran went back through time to build it then he would have known that a dragon would end up destroying it with out any problems. But if the wall wasn't built to begin with then perhaps the White Walkers wouldn't have had to wait as long to attack the north, which Bran couldn't know unless he originally was from a timeline without the wall.

Someone set me right because I'm thinking John Snow is screwing his sister/cousin/Aunt? If he is a Targaryen then he is tapping a relative...and getting pregnant no doubt. The dragon seemed to recognise him, I wonder if he gets to fly one into batten with Danny...oh you bet they will do that...oh yeah...TV n all.

I had this thought that maybe the reason the army of the dead moves so slow might not be because the Night King was waiting for the dragon to arrive or even because the White Walkers need a certain temperature to survive but because the undead are frail and wear out eventually. Like with no way to heal their bodies just fall apart from normal wear and tear so they move as slowly as possible to avoid losing too many soldiers as the head south.

I imagine there is like a trail of limbs and collapsed corpses left in the wake of the army trying to keep up.

Well, to be fair, the books haven't got that far, that might be how the white walkers were made in the books too but we just haven't got to the reveal yet. In the books Bran has only just got to the tree where the 3 eyed raven is and in the show, that flashback where you find out how the Night King became the Night King was something Bran saw while he was training and s***, so that could still happen in the next book

Fair enough point. I think it just doesn't fit that well in the timeline. Unless there's more to the Children than we've known about. i.e a splinter group made the white walkers.

I had this thought that maybe the reason the army of the dead moves so slow might not be because the Night King was waiting for the dragon to arrive or even because the White Walkers need a certain temperature to survive but because the undead are frail and wear out eventually. Like with no way to heal their bodies just fall apart from normal wear and tear so they move as slowly as possible to avoid losing too many soldiers as the head south.

I imagine there is like a trail of limbs and collapsed corpses left in the wake of the army trying to keep up.

Winter/cold weather has something to do with the White Walkers. Either they create it or they're piggy backing on it. The Long Night was the last time when the white walkers marched south.

Also if you consider an army the size of the undead with different dead things moving at different speeds, you want them to all stick together. If they spread out they can picked apart.

I had this thought that maybe the reason the army of the dead moves so slow might not be because the Night King was waiting for the dragon to arrive or even because the White Walkers need a certain temperature to survive but because the undead are frail and wear out eventually. Like with no way to heal their bodies just fall apart from normal wear and tear so they move as slowly as possible to avoid losing too many soldiers as the head south.

I imagine there is like a trail of limbs and collapsed corpses left in the wake of the army trying to keep up.

or they were waiting for winter in the south to make it more difficult for the living to put up a fight.

I really liked little finger, he was a great character. The way he died was really lame, a master tactician killed by two little girls? Come on.

Arya is extremely accomplished at deception and extremely perceptive, it's pretty much implied that she has mastered those skills to a level beyond almost everyone in the world.
Little Finger was also a master of these skills.

IMO, the way he went out was good, however the series just didn't have enough time (or the writers lacked the expertise) to show Ayra outwitting Littlefinger in an organic fashion, without having to explain it with dialog.

We saw Littlefinger playing Arya, again it was terribly portrayed in the series, giving the audience no indication that was happening until that scene when Littlefinger was gloating in the shadows. However, the show never showed Ayra or Sansa countering that, at all. .. Poor writing.

It was all for that clumsy scene 'reveal' where Sansa accuses Littlefinger as a shock surprise for the audience. It's like they wanted to capture that feeling of "OMG they just killed a Main character!!" or a Red Wedding shock, but it was just so poorly done that it came across as 'Two little girls outwitting a master tactician"

Wait, what? There was deception? I don't know, I didn't see any hints of it. I assumed the sisters got sick of his s***, banded together and took him out. There were scenes were I expected Arya to take off her Sansa mask after talking to Little Finger. I assumed most convos with Sansa were actually with Arya but we never saw the reveal.

Yep, there was no counter deception, politiks or spying. Just little finger running circles around people and then boop, gone. The reveal was so f*****g obvious it hurt.

We were given enough hints I thought. Bran saying 'chaos is a ladder' to Littlefinger, which were the words he used to describe the situation he had created and at the hearing itself where he again repeated his words back to him. They could have written a scene where Bran told the sisters about what LF had done but he'd just be repeating things that viewers knew about and had seen already.

edit: one thing I hope is that Aiden Gillen isn't out of a job and we'll see plenty more of him. Arya will probably use him as a vector to kill the Queen which would be aweeeesome.

Peter's death was not a great one. Perhaps with the scene mentioned above, it would have helped it out more but I think it would still have been a bit lacking and not befitting the character considering how he has been an important part of the show.

Tyrion, at the end, outside Danny's cabin, seemed odd. Standing around, listening to epic boat sex going on in the cabin. Some have said he may be jealous or uncertain about this new turn of events. I'm not sure, I imagine that he would be worried about what this may mean for Danny's alliance.

I really hope that Tyrion's expression was because it's put a spanner in the works of his long-play for the good of the Lannisters.

He was getting all up in Danny's grill about who would take over in the event she died. It would be awesome if he was pushing for her to name him the successor in the event that she died, and he only wanted that so he could take over the Lannister's enemies and make the Lannister house rule the 7 kingdoms.

If that was the game he's been playing all along, he may very well have told Cercei that in their meeting, which would make her agree / not kill him. It would also be an awesome twist to have one of the most loved characters be a really evil, long-playing strategic genius :D

Joffery tortured and murdered whores, his mother blew up a church full of people, the White Walkers are just doing what they were born to do.

and Rob Stark led a revolt against a stable crown leading to the deaths of thousands. Ceresi killed all her enemies and those who tortured her.

Just cause some do bad stuff doesn't make everyone else good guys. The good guys are as bad as the "bad" guys but they use s***** justifications such as honor. If they're all s*****.

That's what makes the white walkers evil, they're born to kill everything.

I'm predicting the series ends with the white walkers decimating the 7 kingdoms and driving out the humans back to Essos rendering Westeros no-mans land. A Game of Thrones where no-one is the winner and selfish desires leads to the ruin of millions of people and a whole continent.

The White Walkers are a weapon though, the children of the forest made them and used them against their enemies. Is a gun evil because it kills people?

The whitewalkers are fairly intelligent though. They may have been created as a weapon but now they've gone haywire on their creators. I guess it's like the Terminator/SkyNet. We created them, but now they've got their own objectives.

I guess you can argue there is nothing true evil in the world, not even the white walkers. Or you can go down the Alien/Prometheus/Black Goo route and argue that we are evil and everything that follows is due to humanities corrupted nature.

I like the white walkers because they're single-minded in their pursuit of converting everyone to the undead. They're a good contrast to the living and an easy enemy to focus on. Through them you can see how dumb and futile the fighting is on Westeros, how corrupt humans can be, and what true evil looks like.

Is a lion evil because it eats the Zebra while it's still alive? IMO in order to be evil you have to have a concept of right and wrong. Someone who knows what they are doing is wrong and does it anyway is what true evil is even if they rationalize it away in some kind of twisted logic. White walkers don't necessarily have the capacity for empathy and I especially don't think they draw any enjoyment from what they do otherwise they would play with their food a bit more.

I'm sure Hitler didn't think he was evil when he gassed a few million minorities but it doesn't change the fact that he was an evil f***.

Is a lion evil because it eats the Zebra while it's still alive? IMO in order to be evil you have to have a concept of right and wrong. Someone who knows what they are doing is wrong and does it anyway is what true evil is even if they rationalize it away in some kind of twisted logic. White walkers don't necessarily have the capacity for empathy and I especially don't think they draw any enjoyment from what they do otherwise they would play with their food a bit more.

You make a good point. My main argument is that all the main players in GoT aren't good or evil.

Cerci is pretty darn evil. There are certain things one needs to do to survive, but blowing up hundreds, if not thousands of people, isn't one of those things. Not only did she blow up a church (not that I completely disagree with demolishing a church...) but the hundreds of innocents killed in it's destruction are on her hands. Not just the people inside either, but it was a huge damn explosion and countless commoners would have been caught/injured in the blast.

Despite being delivered proof of the impending apocalypse she also chose to scheme and plot with no reguard to anyone other than herself and her own reign.

That's not to say others in the series are perfect (far from it) but Cerci is most definitely evil.

I am not so sure Bran is the Night King. Could he have some link with the NK, yeah, He was marked when the old 3ER was showing him the undead army last season or something. But other than that, I am not sure. I think people are perhaps reading too much into this, even for GoT stuff.

How would the Night King know that a dragon would show up for him to kill? Simple if he's Bran.

There's been loads of foreshadowing showing his power to affect the past with Hodor and the Tower of Joy.

In the last episode of season 7 take a look at the aerial shot of the undead walking through the fallen Wall. Look familiar? They're in the shape of the House Stark sigil, the Dire Wolf...

I'm not following. Doesn't add up in many places. Such as how can Bran be the NK? It's more likely that when he touched Bran he got a glimpse of the world, saw dragons and Danny in the world and figured that's his way out. He started plotting and waiting for the day.

Also so what there are stark wights? A few went north of the wall with Jon. There were also a few Nights Watchmen, does that mean House Mormont is behind the Night King?

That's like complaining about a Hitler reference during a WW2 discussion.

That's just dumb. It's the internet so hitler is ok to reference randomly.

If you don't define Joffery as evil for pinning a woman to a wall with crossbow bolts for no reason other than his own pleasure then I would really like to know who actually makes the cut for you.

Cerci murdered hundreds not to survive but to hold onto power. This makes her evil.

Her father ordered the killing of children to gain favor with the rebellion. Bastard Bolten tortured Theon for I think years. Arya killed some girl for the sake of appeasing the faceless god. The list just goes on and on. If everyone is murdering and raping, leading men to their deaths for some dumb idea, then who's good? If no one is really good that raises the question who is evil?

I love GoT because no one is either of those things, they portray humanity for what it is. Sometimes good, sometimes kind sometimes evil. Everyone can do horrendous things, including who we think are the "good guys". Look at Jamie, he raped his sister in front of their dead son yet he stands by his word of fighting the undead.

Ok, this is getting too philosophical. I guess I'll stop beating the dead horse on this one.

I don't mean Stark wights.
I mean take a look at the *shape* of the army of the undead in that far off aerial shot right near the end of the episode.
The army is arranged in such a way as to resemble a giant Stark wolf sigil.

Oh wow, yeah that's really interesting. It's a shape for sure and not accidental. From the article you got that picture from:

Or maybe Bran is just Bran and the Night King knows Bran is spying on him with ravens and is f*****g with him by making his house sigil from a bird's eye view.

That sounds hilarious and a good f*** you to Bran who is watching. I also think it isn't a wolf but a bear. We did see a wight bear.

Also what the f*** is the lord of fire? Its shown The Hound visions that have come true, also showed him where the white walkers were born/made and oddly enough actually helped the NK get through the wall.