Guard Todd Herremens also broke out the "undisciplined" word to explain his teammates. Defensive tackle Fletcher Cox was thrown out for fighting. Both the Lions and Eaglesdid not look like playoff teams. Michael Vick yelled at DeSean Jackson for failing to go in motion before one first-half play. While Vick was yelling, he didn't see a shotgun snap coming right at him. Fumble.

Jackson also "smacked Travis Lewis in the face" after a second-quarter punt, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. He was lucky not to be thrown out.

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"The interesting thing about it is, Coach Reid is such a disciplinarian," cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said. "And there are times in the game where that becomes an issue. It makes no sense."

8-8 was unacceptable for this team last year, according to owner Jeffrey Lurie. The Eagles are 3-3 this season and have looked every bit like the same talented, sloppy squad that will blow as many close games as it will win.

If the same issues continue through December, this team won't look the same next year. Reid and Vick won't be there.