00:47:15assbot:Logged on 20-01-2015 19:39:33; mircea_popescu: but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.

00:47:53ben_vulpes:anyways, first sunny day in months and the hipsters set the badminton net up *smack* in the middle of the swamp

01:11:37mircea_popescu:that was kinda my point. what exactly would be the alternative here, google demures ? how.

01:14:42mircea_popescu:the usg is not going to like people fucking up its shit. that's not changing. google isn't going to start acting like anything but a usg agent. that's also not changing. what are teh staffers in question expect will happen, or expected will have happened ?

01:15:34mircea_popescu:what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes fake foundation about how their power rangers are fucking up bitcoin ?

01:32:57pete_dushenski:then, and only then, will i teach you the ways of the internet

01:35:18pete_dushenski:Andreessen Horowitz is heading up a $58 million round of investment in TransferWise

01:35:27pete_dushenski:Founded in 2011 and built by ex-Skype and PayPal engineers with the aim of making it easier (read: cheaper) to transfer pounds to euros, TransferWise says that it will be using the funds to fuel its global expansion.

02:09:24BingoBoingo:mircea_popescu: I actually got to hear it argued today that manned spaceflight is bad, because science is aligned against queer people and because science is aligned against queer people we should embrace human extinction.

02:09:43BingoBoingo:I did not get to judge that round, but the nihilist "won"

02:18:33assbot:Logged on 26-01-2015 02:05:42; BingoBoingo: I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.

03:00:10gabriel_laddel:The browser, window manager, gui library and emacs are all connected to the same common lisp process and are explorable at runtime. Conkeror is based on Emacs and shares some of the same conceptual foundation, thus, the whole experience feels very lispy. The lessons system is 'dialed-in'. For example, you can specify that the user is to scroll to 80% of a particular URL, at which point you want the windows arranged

03:00:11gabriel_laddel:1/2 emacs 1/2 clim gui and XYZ files open with a (emacs) window arrangement just so.

03:00:11gabriel_laddel:The state saving facility allows for saving saving and restoration of all URLs, scroll locations, files and window arrangement on a whim. CLIM gui applications that obey the recommended architecture can also trivially plug into this system.

03:00:12gabriel_laddel:There are several other things that simply "make sense", but have somehow not found their way into mainstream linux. One of which is the dashboard. Currently it lists how many lisp LoC and projects are running on the entire machine. It also manages the habits system and allows for one to say, practice mathematics for 1 hours a day without fail, at which point it restores the state prior to starting the habit.

03:00:51gabriel_laddel:All state is saved via persistent CLOS by default.

03:01:32gabriel_laddel:no explicit transactions etc. necessary. Just `setf' the state of the object in question.

03:26:05asciilifeform:gabriel_laddel: afaik, nothing has ever leaked re: the microcode structure. all that is known is how to invoke the updater, the approximate structure of the blob, and the fact that - unlike intel's - there is no crypto/authentication

04:30:23coderwill:i just saw a link the other day that at the same time, 2014 was the warmest year on record - also, something that in the last 10 years a ridiculous amount of warm weather records have been broken

04:33:12decimation:"As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted Nasa thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent. However, when asked by this newspaper whether he regretted that the news release did not mention this, he did not respond." < lol daily mail

04:35:08decimation:"The story also reported that 2014 was the hottest year on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA, but did not include the caveat that other recent years had average temperatures that were almost as high — and they all fall within a margin of error that lessens the certainty that any one of the years was the hottest."

04:44:41decimation:mentally prepared for tens of thousands of pushy New Yorkers (I’m also one) or overly emotional Miami Cubans who think they are returning royalty. Waves of carpetbaggers will pour in trying to buy everything that isn’t nailed down with their gringo dollars. Every Cuban exile sees himself as the next El Presidente."

04:46:55coderwill:mircea_popescu: re: warmest year stuff, yeah, not sold on it either, the weather does seem strange though

04:47:16coderwill:mircea_popescu: maybe just cylical on a timespan that's not being well perceived

04:48:52asciilifeform:mircea_popescu: the flip side of the medal is that these things are not the least bit difficult to reprogram. i can easily picture the phoundation distributing an 'upgrader' anyway

04:48:54coderwill:e.g. 10 years ago, hurricanes were everywhere in the gulf of mexico, now there are very few

04:49:42asciilifeform:mircea_popescu: the most that can be done is to button it up so that replacing bootloader requires soldering on the missing uart pins

08:22:24assbot:I will be going to Africa this summer to introduce bitcoin to airline services, hotel services and much much more! I will also be hosting a blog soon so I can update on the progress made! Hey who knows I might start an african bitcoin foundation while I am there : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15zN22s )

09:30:54assbot:gloomdoom comments on Poverty Inc. argues that Wall Street and the banking industry’s portrayal of "business as usual" is undermining our democracy, shattering the lives of working class families and the poor, while endangering the very environmental balance of the planet. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMMwfa )

11:10:04assbot:Logged on 26-01-2015 07:42:06; Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.

11:11:59Adlai:i wasn't bringing this up as "look at coinbase, they're doing something!", but as "maybe i can help your thing do its stuff better" (setting aside the bit about deedbot doubling as a faucet, which works fine in the current method)

11:20:35Adlai:re IV - art is neither dead nor dying, but tastes change, and the financial incentives about them... maybe if it becomes less profitable overall, there'll be less crap commercialized art such as pop music or koons balloons

14:18:06Adlai:any exchange where the fund would trade. scalpl currently supports btce, bitfinex, and kraken, but the api is modular and more can be added (not my focus atm, but ~3 days of work per exchange if necessary)

14:41:22davout:Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee?

14:45:12Adlai:i'd rather the accounts belong to the financier(s). they lend reputation - people trust them not to run off more than they'd trust me, and they lend their credibility to account statements. my role would be setting up scalpl, possibly maintenance, analysis, development - but on a case by case basis, as seen fit by the financier(s) and/or shareholders

14:46:18Adlai:the most i'd ever have control of is api keys with trade permission, but not withdrawal permission; and it could easily be arranged that i never touch api keys myself, just deliver code or service an app taken offline, with api keys expunged from its server.

14:52:21Adlai:by structure as a bond, you mean - anybody deposits the amount they want, and has p/l tracked (and dividends paid) for that amount?

14:54:57Adlai:i'm not certain how you'd handle that technically, because you want deposits to reach exchange accounts, in various proportions; do you have bond-buyers deposit directly into the exchange accounts, and the financier submits to the exchange signed statements of bond deposits to issue shares?

14:55:17Adlai:i guess you don't even need shares if it's bonded in this manner, it can just be a bond directly between the exchange owner and depositors

15:12:07Adlai:in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies

15:14:20Adlai:another reason to work with a financier is that it opens up the door for exchange presence in the wot

15:14:55Adlai:let's say davout handles this for paymium, and it brings them increasing business. smart exchanges may follow suit.

15:15:36Adlai:it's most idiomatic for the reputation at risk to be that of the exchange owner

15:28:03assbot:Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls

15:31:06Apocalyptic:I don't know there is such a thing as "ethical spying", the whole formula must be a joke

15:32:21BingoBoingo:Re: Toy node discussion - Selling point for such a thing may be "privacy proxy" for Lite wallets.

15:34:03Adlai:which is exactly why spying shouldn't be automated. maybe there's a situation where a person feels justified listening in on a conversation without explicit permission, but that call shouldn't be made in advance by a bureaucrat for every single conversation unto eternity

15:37:55Adlai:no need to put more turds onto the existing pile... and if you do, how do you pick which one? electrum-server, obelisk, etc?

15:38:18BingoBoingo:Adlai: Well, SPV as the powerrangers say it now tends to mean the Bloom filter derp. If enough space is budgeted for the nodes though "address history" type arrangement like electrum server could work if electrum server did not rival bitcoind itself as a hog.

15:44:25BingoBoingo:That thing builds its own indexed database of a size comparable to the block chain.

15:46:33*:Adlai has started to think of pruning in a different manner - rather than reclaiming hard disk space, 'pruning' just means you can provably flush certain transactions from various caches. it's a time/space optimization, not a change of the glob's outward behavior

19:51:07[]bot:Bet placed: 1.46308271 BTC for Yes on "BTC back over $300 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1110/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.15636312 BTC. Current weight: 76,473.

20:27:46mircea_popescu:davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee? << this sounds to me more like a classical fund

20:28:04mircea_popescu:scalpl's irrelevant in this discussion, people don't care about it, people just care "i'm investing with adlai and he keeps the thing going"

20:28:15mircea_popescu:much like panacea used to work, at least back when f.mpif had an investment.

20:52:29trinque:the guy who almost had a heart attack talking to Walt Mossberg

20:55:29thestringpuller:mircea_popescu: has no experience in fucking, although he keeps a harem.

21:00:24hanbot:mats> dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together << it has everything to do with shyness tho, so long as what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of walking up to someone and asking if they'd like to drink/dance/fuck/whatever

21:01:19davout:hanbot: i agree, the rectangles have merely made shy people more visible where shyness doesn't actually matter

21:01:23hanbot:as though being turned down to your face is something to be avoided at all absurdities

21:17:37mircea_popescu:davout rich kid is ahead of the other kids, because his parents are technically a magic wand. fat kid is behind the other kids, because fat is unappealing. this tension creates very insane sort of behaviours.

21:18:05mircea_popescu:generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.

21:18:19mircea_popescu:course the more perceptive magic wands try to do the exact same.

21:18:55mircea_popescu:but in any case, nature abhors a tension, and it will be resolved.

21:19:58mircea_popescu:thestringpuller obviously. because the god of reddit hath so ordained that everything that can exist is directly accessible with no effort to anyone, and so... three second's effort is good enuf to form any opinion!

21:22:04mircea_popescu:trinque for a minute there i thought hoodie is an actual vc "company"

22:04:06pete_dushenski:The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.

22:09:13mircea_popescu:Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies << heh the problem of "contests" and "giveaways" etc.

22:10:19assbot:Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcvri6 )

22:10:19mircea_popescu:mats: former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed << asswipes in temper tantrum mode. "if we don't get chocolate we will piss in the bet"

22:10:57mircea_popescu:somehow the obvious "bitch, if you piss in the bed you will be digging ditches naked 18 hours a day for the next five years." isn't quite obvious to gchq angry children.

22:36:20thestringpuller:downed my internet for 30 minutes or so << yea that happened to me during netsplit was pretty bad

22:38:25pete_dushenski:phillipsjk: you're on shawcable, so whereabouts in alberta are you?

22:40:10phillipsjk:Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255: 182.134.248.255 125.89.36.255 221.89.36.255

22:46:48pete_dushenski:The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.

22:48:04[]bot:Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 68,439.

22:48:06[]bot:Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 85,030.

22:50:01phillipsjk:By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.

23:20:37mircea_popescu:<pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn?t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?

23:23:17mircea_popescu:"There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."

23:24:06mircea_popescu:"social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.

23:25:10mircea_popescu:danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.

23:25:23mircea_popescu:irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.

23:26:18mircea_popescu:"Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.

23:27:03lobbes:phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian

23:31:52danielpbarron:and somehow one of them manages to keep 500 BTC this whole time; someone who thought his funds were gone because his blockchain needed rensynching

23:32:10mircea_popescu:anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.

23:32:28mircea_popescu:if you as much as sneeze it all comes crumbling down, and yet he's stupidly put all that effort into it... like a blind seal or something.

23:33:32mircea_popescu:but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.

23:34:21mircea_popescu:in unrelated news : some guy named zyklon_b joins some chatroom, buncha derps throw a fit, i tell em to stfu, which results in private messaging and ragequits :

23:34:22mircea_popescu:<gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute

23:34:23mircea_popescu:<MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.