City of Oakland, California - Displays Ten Commandments at Public Property Zoo - Atheist Nexus2015-03-31T22:39:10Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/city-of-oakland-california-displays-ten-commandments-at-public?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A1980588&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=no The thing that is the mos…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19837702012-06-16T22:32:00.978ZJoey Piscitellihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JoeyPiscitelli
<p> The thing that is the most absurd argument is : that if something was done 50 years ago, it is "grandfathered in". According to this debased logic, then women who weren't allowed to vote for over 100 years in this country, shouldn't have been allowed to vote because it was grandfathered in. And since no women spoke up for the right to vote for at least a hundred years, then they can not speak up now. ???</p>
<p>According to some of our hypocritical lawmakers, who state that "no one said…</p>
<p> The thing that is the most absurd argument is : that if something was done 50 years ago, it is "grandfathered in". According to this debased logic, then women who weren't allowed to vote for over 100 years in this country, shouldn't have been allowed to vote because it was grandfathered in. And since no women spoke up for the right to vote for at least a hundred years, then they can not speak up now. ???</p>
<p>According to some of our hypocritical lawmakers, who state that "no one said or did anything for 50 years" about the ten commandments being posted on public properties, then "the monuments are constitutional."</p>
<p>So that would apply to gay rights too? No gay rights groups said anything for 200 years, so then gay activists should not have a voice?</p>
<p>Shame on our illogical lawmakers who live in the antiquated bigotry of the past.</p> And god spelled backwards is.…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19834542012-06-16T16:45:30.448ZJeff Dempseyhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JeffreyKDempsey
<p>And god spelled backwards is... "dog".</p>
<p>And god spelled backwards is... "dog".</p> I agree with you, it is p…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19836412012-06-16T16:43:28.928ZJoey Piscitellihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JoeyPiscitelli
<p> I agree with you, it is percieved that way by the christian right. But the people who back the placement of the monument are christians, not Jews. The intent of those who favor it's staying are the activists for christianity, and not the Jewish. I know it's a "judeo-christian" monument. I also know that the only backlash that I have seen was from christian fundamentalists, and christian right groups, I have not heard from the jewish groups.</p>
<p> That is why I did not include jewish.…</p>
<p> I agree with you, it is percieved that way by the christian right. But the people who back the placement of the monument are christians, not Jews. The intent of those who favor it's staying are the activists for christianity, and not the Jewish. I know it's a "judeo-christian" monument. I also know that the only backlash that I have seen was from christian fundamentalists, and christian right groups, I have not heard from the jewish groups.</p>
<p> That is why I did not include jewish. When following the legal battles concerning this same monument throughout the USA, I do not see any jewish groups up in arms taking a stand that "Jesus is god" - and that the monument represents the founding fathers wishes, etc.</p>
<p> I am not jewish, but I can honestly say that I think that most jews I know do not agree with the argument that only the ten commandments should be allowed to stay on public properties. My take is that the jewish people I know give the issue a bit more thought and consideration as to the validity of the placement of the 10 comandos, and the establishment clause itself.</p> this may be nit picking, but…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19835522012-06-16T16:24:14.729Zmatthew greenberghttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/matthewgreenberg
<p>this may be nit picking, but the 10 Commandments isn't just a Christian thing - the Jews adhere to it as well. your letter, while excellent, comes off a little like Christian bashing. by excluding Judaism from your argument it weakens the message a little bit, IMO. </p>
<p>this may be nit picking, but the 10 Commandments isn't just a Christian thing - the Jews adhere to it as well. your letter, while excellent, comes off a little like Christian bashing. by excluding Judaism from your argument it weakens the message a little bit, IMO. </p> The "Christian Right"…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19834462012-06-16T16:17:56.643ZJoey Piscitellihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JoeyPiscitelli
<p> The "Christian Right" claims that they have the right to freedom of speech and religion. That is correct. I agree that they do. However, many christians do not want other beliefs to be allowed the same right. They then claim that "this is a christian nation" and if they post only christian monuments on public property, when no one else is granted the same rights - that others should turn their head, and leave the city, or country, or the public site.</p>
<p> I pass up dozens of…</p>
<p> The "Christian Right" claims that they have the right to freedom of speech and religion. That is correct. I agree that they do. However, many christians do not want other beliefs to be allowed the same right. They then claim that "this is a christian nation" and if they post only christian monuments on public property, when no one else is granted the same rights - that others should turn their head, and leave the city, or country, or the public site.</p>
<p> I pass up dozens of churches everyday, all over the city, and they display various signs and symbols, and I take it for granted, and it is their right. It doesn't bother me.</p>
<p>But I do not expect that on public property, especially when no one else is allowed a voice, or an opinion. The argument here is that the city condones ONLY christian doctrine at a public event center.</p> wow they're hurting.. a zoo?r…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-16:2182797:Comment:19833042012-06-16T10:23:37.506ZAgeOfAtheists14http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/secularorbust
<p>wow they're hurting.. a zoo?<br/>really!? why are religions the only ones that get to commit all this civil disobedience? I mean it's such a dishonor to people.</p>
<p>wow they're hurting.. a zoo?<br/>really!? why are religions the only ones that get to commit all this civil disobedience? I mean it's such a dishonor to people.</p> Now that is something I can…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-14:2182797:Comment:19806042012-06-14T02:06:17.540ZTony Carrollhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TonyCarroll
<p>Now <em>t</em><em>hat</em><em> </em> is something I can get behind 100%. I'm in.</p>
<p>Now <em>t</em><em>hat</em><em> </em> is something I can get behind 100%. I'm in.</p> She sound like a winner t…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-14:2182797:Comment:19805032012-06-14T00:42:52.372ZJoey Piscitellihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JoeyPiscitelli
<p> She sound like a winner to me! And she is real.</p>
<p>It beats praying to an avatar.</p>
<p> She sound like a winner to me! And she is real.</p>
<p>It beats praying to an avatar.</p> I say we all go to the zoo fo…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-14:2182797:Comment:19806492012-06-14T00:41:42.403ZJoey Piscitellihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JoeyPiscitelli
<p>I say we all go to the zoo for a press conference, and we bring our animals/pets with us to protest, and we worship our pets in a tribute to denouncing the Citys offensive ignorance of the 1st Ammendment.</p>
<p>I say we all go to the zoo for a press conference, and we bring our animals/pets with us to protest, and we worship our pets in a tribute to denouncing the Citys offensive ignorance of the 1st Ammendment.</p> Her name is Bobbi, she is a w…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-06-14:2182797:Comment:19804922012-06-14T00:09:00.939ZTony Carrollhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TonyCarroll
<p>Her name is Bobbi, she is a white, long haired Manx type cat (that little stub tail is cute). Eats when <em>she</em> feels like it, gets petted when <em>she</em> wants it, sleeps where and when <em>she</em> feels like it. Dang. She is incontrol. Rats, never saw it before. Well, she would be better to worship, I guess, since her demands are easily met, and she makes no promises she doesn't deliver on. :) </p>
<p>Her name is Bobbi, she is a white, long haired Manx type cat (that little stub tail is cute). Eats when <em>she</em> feels like it, gets petted when <em>she</em> wants it, sleeps where and when <em>she</em> feels like it. Dang. She is incontrol. Rats, never saw it before. Well, she would be better to worship, I guess, since her demands are easily met, and she makes no promises she doesn't deliver on. :) </p>