VYZYGOTH
– Now it’s Friday, the last one we’ll see in this month. It is the 26th,
it is 2007 and with us today is Alan Watt for a second time this month; and we
haven’t really talked too much, but what we’re going to do – he doesn’t seem to
mind so much and we know we’ve got questions and comments from you, folks, so
there’s plenty to do today and there was something that was pressing on my mind
that I would like to address also, that I kind of alluded to when I was talking
with Alan a while ago. So, anyway, from Canada we want to welcome you – how are
you doing, Alan?

ALAN –
I’m doing pretty good, considering the temperature.

VYZYGOTH
– Hahaha, you know, you’re not going to get any sympathy here.

ALAN –
When they stop spraying, we go back to our normal temperature and that’s just
it: they didn’t spray last night, so we got a normal night for this time of the
year.

VYZYGOTH
– On Monday I am going to talk about and I am also going to air some phone
calls between myself and the County Sheriff’s Department – probably with a much
better outcome than you had with your helicopters. We were overflown last
week for an hour between 3:30 AM and 4:30 AM. Rather discomforting, but
it wasn’t me, so they weren’t looking for me; I waved to them, though, with
their infrared; I wonder if they could see through my bath robes?

ALAN –
Well, sure; they can see through your house.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright, now, first up, regarding current events. I’m sure you remember
this: were you stateside, or rather the North-American-side back in 1970?

ALAN – I
was in both countries, back and forth. I used to do recordings sometimes
in Philadelphia and different places.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, with the situation that just occurred - it reminded me with this
situation with troops being increased in the Middle East also with all the
sabre-rattling that’s going on with Iran and Syria. It reminded me back
in April of 1970 when - you know, I was a freshman out of College - and I was
insulated from the draft, because I had an exception being a student.
But, I mean, I still watched things, and they were making less and less sense
and it was really making me uncomfortable because they wanted it to be real
simple, that the United States is always right, let’s go, you know. But
Nixon in April started talking about gradual troop withdrawals from South-East
Asia; and that was fine and good; and it really, I think, brought some calm to
campuses and some relief; and then, of course, in the first few days in May we come
to find out there was a full-blown invasion into Cambodia, which was the
genesis for Kent State, Jackson State, even Ohio State, where they at least
averted any kind of shooting and then deaths. But you know, I said it back
then, this is not making sense to me; this is like the logic of the Mad
Hatter’s Tea Party – you’re going to bring troops out so you send more
in. Now, I think you know where I’m going. Bush on one hand says:
“yeah, we’ll have withdrawals,” and then he says: “well, we’re going to increase
the troop allotment.” And to me this is just like what Orwell was trying
to say with how people will embrace what seems to be paradoxes and call it
“logic.”

ALAN –
Doublethink.

VYZYGOTH
– And so, as you look at this, do you think that in 60 or 90 days as we have
been somewhat promised, that we will see a change in the environment over in
the Middle East and Johnny will come marching home?

ALAN –
No, there’s no way under the Sun. This is a long-term haul and I watched
some British programs on this too and their take - and these were all guys who
were up in the military – now, Britain, remember, was in Iraq for almost 40
years and they all said the same thing: there is no way that the US could
possibly dominate the Middle East, including Iraq and get out under 30 years.

VYZYGOTH
– You know, I don’t believe for one moment that the United States has ever
been really free from the Crown - whatever you decide that to be; and it’s
probably the City of London I would assume -

ALAN –
It’s that and more, actually; it’s a much more intriguing story.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, I mean, can we look at the City of London - and I’ll get back to where
we were going - can we look at the City of London as a sort of D.C. of sorts
here, except, of course, the people in D.C., you know, they don’t make the
rules. They do in Midtown Manhattan and Chicago and other places. Is
the City of London all as it’s said to be, and that is a private, almost
Vatican-like city-state to itself?

ALAN
– It’s a city state, basically; it’s got a sovereign right on its own,
and sure enough, the Queen must get permission to come into the actual central
part, London proper, the City, where all the banks are.The
four main banks face each other and there’s also an obelisk there
they brought over from Egypt, in the middle - and it’s next to the
Thames river, so you have the obelisk overlooking the water, the fire and the
water, the male, the female, the Jachin and Boaz, all that stuff. It’s
highly occultic, with its own sovereign powers.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, I’ve always thought that we have been wagged and that the Rhodes did
get his wish; basically making the United States Military the muscle for
Britain. Hence, you know, coming over to join two
continental wars, which really had nothing to do with the United States; and
people kept saying to me: “oh, Britain is our ally” - it’s like: what had
they did for us lately? And I can’t figure it out. I mean, they’re
our ally? When? When did they do anything to do for us? We
fought them back 200 years ago; they run the backing and everything else, so
WE’RE THEIR ally. Well, anyway, it’s good that you mention this, because
apparently – and tell me about your sense of this history – in the 20th
Century, when the Zionist Movement seemed to really gain strength and perhaps
motivate the British Military and Government to get down into the Middle Eastto cobble it up, as you kind of mentioned just before, and then they stayed
there. And the place really never has been stable. Now I’m looking
at this and it’s still as unstable as it was back at the beginning of the 20th
Century, and lo and behold, who is over there with most of the troop
numbers? And it’s the United States. I mean, are we looking at
another situation of ‘wag the US Military’ at the behest of, shall we say the
Vatican and the City of London?

ALAN –
There’s no doubt; you see - it was Rudyard Kipling who wrote the poem about
“The White Man’s Burden;” this was an occultic Masonic poem meant for Masons;
and that’s why he stood on the Senate; he was brought over to the Senate floor
and he read it to the Senate and that was the first time it was read publicly -
it was addressed to them basically. He said: “we hand the torch over to
you,” because the United States - it was agreed among the Templar lodges
in London and the ones over in the US that they would take over the role that
the old Templars had taken in policing the world.Out of that
came the NATO Pact, we know that. Eventually they called it NATO -
and that’s what Margaret Thatcher and other Prime Ministers kept referring to
when they said that the United States and Britain have a “special
relationship.” They never elaborated and said what they meant by that
- but what they meant was a secret pact, a “special relationship.” That’s
how they refer to it. It’s an Agenda and a secret pact and this is
agreed upon that the US is the authorized policeman of the world - for the
moment! Because after that, they have agreed that China will eventually
take over.

VYZYGOTH
– That’s another interesting point as it relates to even this situation
in. Before I go back there and I want to talk about Brzezinski, because
I’ve always considered him one of the mouthpieces that tells us what’s going to
happen before it happens. Also, up in the City of London, I think that is
also where the original Inns of Court are; is that correct?

ALAN –
Yes. You see, in London – and people read so much nonsense put out by the
Knights Templars, the present modern-day ones, to cover their tracks. The
Knights Templars were never persecuted in England; they were given a form of
amnesty - and they had to; the King had to, because the Templars …all the Crown
Jewels and all the Treasury were in the hands of the Templars; they were the
bankers at that time. It was the Knights Templars who brought out the
first international banking system and used cheques or money orders in lieu of
gold - so they were THE international bankers from London; all the way
through Europe they had banks and all the way into the Middle East. They
also owned the trade routes, they also patrolled the trade routes and they also
had all the hostels on the way for all the pilgrims and so on. This is a
huge enterprise - they were also the largest land-owners in the whole of Europe,
because each widow was encouraged to leave in her will all of her land to the
Knights Templars, and so they were taking over vast amounts of territory.
They were taking over all raw supplies, etcetera – something that the New World
Order is doing today. The British Government was based on the
foundations of the Templars; and that’s why you have a Chancellor of
the H-Chequer, which is still the title of the Head Templar, who dealt with
debt and credit - that’s the British Treasury, the man in charge of the Treasury
is called the H-Chequer, the checkerboard floor being that on which they
did their debt and credit on - they moved these cheques around, just like
chess, basically. They moved their debt and their credit around on an
outside board; and you can visit it today - it’s still there.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, somebody once said to me - and I think that he makes a good point -
that Quigley was allowed to go on about Rhodes and the Round Table and then, of
course, Milner’s Kindergarten Group and such. And the gentleman was
suspicious that if we knew that much about it, were we in fact intended to look
at that and that alone. Now, I believe that’s true; I believe also when Quigley
said some of his galleys were excised, never to be put in the complete Tragedy
and Hope. And also it might have been a little bit of window-dressing
too, to make us think, “oh, there really is something here.” But I say
this because of that really what I consider a very curious and peculiar group
called the “Pilgrim Society,” which is an Anglo-American society, if you will,
started in the first decade of the 20th Century - and you never ever
heard a thing about them! Now, the reason that I bring it up is, because
in a book that was a pretty sanitized, authorized biography of the group, Woom-Zim-Zen
Pimelot Baker or something like that. In the back they have the list of
dignitaries that have been “feeded,” if you will, over in Britain. And
they go on with a couple of lines of description most times. But what’s
interesting is, when there is something held at the Middle Court - and there
might be one other one; nothing is said. There no idea, the theme of the
meeting or anything - it’s just, you know, so-and-so…Middle Court. And I
just find that interesting. So I am wondering while one hand has the
puppet that shows us Rhodes and Milner and, you know, all those Fabian
Socialists, the Coefficient Club; are we really looking at the movers and
shakers under the table, which would be the Pilgrim Society? What do you
think about that?

ALAN –
It’s even deeper than the Pilgrim Society. It’s much older. The
United States brought a group in early on and they landed in on the Mayflower.
The Flower of May, it’s their big day, their Mayflower. It’s a day of
labor - Labor Day. And it’s the flower, of course, in the high occultic
circles. No coincidence is there whatsoever. They left from
Dover, which is the dove, you see. And they landed at Plymouth, and
Plymouth Rock - well, it means “many mouths” because in the old religion many
mouths put it all together - those were the Prophets. And those
people - many of them had an ancestry going back through rebellion after
rebellion all the way to the Cathars and the Albigensians. Now, the
Albigensians and the Cathars were a form of a lay organization set up, but run
on the principles of the Knights Templars. And they were
persecuted by the Catholic Church; the last Crusade was against them,
actually. And they had tremendous wealth accumulated. They had
their own banking system and their own banks. They had almost a parallel
religion in some respects to the Catholic Church, and they also took
confessions, which was mandatory at the end for you to get into the next
phase. They believed that Satan was in charge of this world -
and through their own efforts ultimately they would conquer the world.
Now, that’s the same terminology you’ll read all the way up through Albert
Pike’s books, of “we shall become the Masters over the Masters of the world, by
even playing the stock market and taking over.” It’s the same
groups over and over and over; and many of these people came in under the guise
of the Puritans.And those families, those very
wealthy families, who still intermarry, are still running the country today.

VYZYGOTH
– This is where I was going to go about running this country and going back
as far as the 17th Century and the first settlements here.
One thing, I haven’t really tracked this, but we know that the Masonry had a
headquarters in Charleston, South Carolina on the 33rd
Parallel. Now, we know that the American Headquarters has since been
moved; I would assume it’s at the extension of what Pike started, and that is
right on the Southern banks of the Potomac on the Virginia side of the
river. And if you are travelling on 95 and if you look Westward, you
can’t mistake the building. It really looks like the Washington Monument
turned into office buildings. So we can look at that as somewhat the
Headquarters; and they also had brought somebody out to speak to the Legend
supposedly, and the truth about Freemasonry. Charley Gibson asked the
tough questions - you can imagine. And this was also at the time when
they first came out with the movie of the Da Vinci Code. Now, in Europe I
never do hear much about Headquarters, say, for the Scottish Rite or the York
Rite. Are there such things? I mean, is it in Edinburgh or
something?

ALAN –
No, the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry was not Scottish at all; that’s
just the beauty of their camouflage. The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry,
which was the one at Charleston, was one of the more recent editions, and
it came in from France. And it was given the Charter to exist by
the French Grand Orient Lodge, not from Scotland at all. In fact, they
were no Scottish Rite Freemasons in Scotland at that time. The first
Scottish Rite Freemasons were in the US.

VYZYGOTH
– Oh, really? Alright, well, then, should I assume then that the York
Rite is an older one?

ALAN –
The York Rite is the Grand Lodge of England. This is how this thing
works. See, you have to understand something in Monasteries and how
Monasteries operated. They were given charters by the Vatican to have a
Monastery, a Brotherhood. Sometimes they would specialize in a particular
area; the Dominicans, for instance, were into law - that was their job:
interpreting the law. They would often charter another splinter group,
which would be called something else to specialize in a different area.
Even in the monks, they had specialities, basically, that was their
different areas. They graduated into what we now call Masonry in a form,
many of them. In fact, many of the Knights Templars in Europe, when they
were persecuted, joined the Monasteries or created them in fact, some of
them. You are looking at a really tangled web here, when it comes to it
all. However, they all go back to the Grand Lodge of England, which
gave out the first Masonic Charters, even the one to France! And
then France gave out other charters for other ones to exist. They
go around in this circle, always back to England, to London, to the Grand Lodge
of England, York Rite.

VYZYGOTH
– Are the York Rite and the Scottish Rite high-degree Freemason tied at the
hip, or are they actually in some opposition?

ALAN – In
the past they believed they were in opposition at the lower orders, but at the
top, when you have access to some of their higher books, for instance I’ve got
one passage where two Grand Masters, one of each lodge, was brought in and
swore to each other to oppose each other in public - and never to tell the
inferior brothers that they were managing this conflict between them.

VYZYGOTH
– One other element that I’ve not followed to the point of being able to tie it
together or not: they say that Weishaupt began the Bavarian Lodge. Was he
indeed kicked out of whatever was the “Traditional Freemasonry” and what ever
happened to the Bavarian Lodge?

ALAN –
The Bavarian Lodge spread all through Germany and into France. It was
only one lodge. You see, Weishaupt’s lodge was only one of many and what
they called them in Germany, was the Beenan Orden. That means:
“Order of the Bees.” And they have the beehive as symbol, the ancient
beehive, the perfect society with its class system from the top to the
bottom. It’s still used; even the Mormons copied that for their flag in
Utah. He was only one branch of Freemasonry. Now, many Masons at
the time, especially John Robison from Edinburgh came out - he had joined the
Illuminati and he wrote a book about it at the time to expose it - but you can
even read by his own book; he was also trying to cover up Freemasonry’s
impact on the world and the fact that the Illuminati branch were only a
more radical group of the same bunch – he was trying to smooth it
out and say that Masons are just, you know, guys who join clubs, whereas
the Illuminati have actual ambitions, which wasn’t true at all; they
all had ambitions because they all got orders from the same place.

VYZYGOTH
– Was the Bavarian Lodge considered radical?

ALAN – It
was radical only at the time. You see, Masonry at the time had
fomented the revolutions; the Rosicrucians fomented the revolution in England
first of all, the English Civil War. After that they were definitely
behind the Unites States revolution, the War of Independence - they boast about
that in their own books. And they were behind the Revolution in France
and they had still other revolutions to go, when Weishaupt was on the go.
They wanted to unite Germany into a greater Germany, for instance.
However, later on Napoleon did it for them - Napoleon also being a
Mason. They have been behind revolutions, which tend to
amalgamate smaller countries into bigger ones and ultimately they were all to
be joined together in a union, a World Union. You find
this in the writings of another Freemason, who also joined the Illuminati while
he was over in France, and that was Jefferson. Jefferson wrote about that
and he said in his own memoirs that the United States would be the
embryo, the beginning point for a Federated World run by 12 Wise Men.

VYZYGOTH
– And it’s the story that he accepts, I guess, the plates of the Great Seal of
the United States with the “Novus Ordo Seclorum.”

ALAN –
Sure, they all knew. And then, in the writings of Benjamin Franklin,
which have been published, and you can also go to the originals, which the
descendants of his family, the Franklin Institute still have and see them - and
he said exactly the same thing - he says: “this will be a Federated World,
run by 12 Wise Men” - same thing!

VYZYGOTH
– Alright, I’m going to try to put this question in, and then I want to
continue along the track that I have in mind. Let me just see here –
because I think you might have spoken to this before. In fact, he
is a fellow Canadian - wanted to know whether or not the Protestant Reformation
was kind of “allowed to happen.” One - do you believe that to be true;
and second - why would that be?

ALAN –
The Protestant Reformation in England, it started first really with Henry VIII,
who wanted divorced, because he just couldn’t get a son - his wives were
infertile - and that’s why he had them all beheaded and kept getting new ones;
however, because he was being condemned by the Vatican for re-marrying, then he
divorced England from the Vatican - kept all the same rites, called it the “Anglican
Branch,” and yet that was also called the first “Protestant” church - they
“protested.” It wasn’t until Cromwell came along, really, when the
Presbyterian groups were in action, and the Puritans were on the go; and they
were funded by the banks in Holland at the time: the “Roundheads” took over and
really started the ball rolling towards this whole Protestant type thing; and
there is so many schisms of it now, it’s just unbelievable. But it was
allowed to happen to an extent, this…as long as they gave obeisance to England,
they didn’t care really which religion they were, except for Catholic.
They did not like Roman Catholicism - and that’s why from the days of Queen
Elizabeth the 1st, the first openly Rosicrucian Masonic Court -
they settled Presbyterians, really, from Scotland into Ireland, to dominate
Ireland, which was primarily a Catholic country. It’s still on the
books today that a Royalty of England cannot marry a Catholic.

VYZYGOTH
– There is some information to the effect that Rosicrucianism might have had
something to do with Luther’s Reformation. Do you have anything on that?

ALAN – I
have no doubt that it helped it along. Remember that Luther was a
Rosicrucian - his family crest are three roses and crosses, you know.
He was allowed to do what he did. And at the same time the Vatican – see,
the Vatican itself runs by the old Mystery Religion. You can see it in
all of its architecture and its rites and rituals, if you know what you are
looking at. You are seeing the amalgamation of all the old Mystery
Religions that existed 2,000 years ago in the Middle East, brought together
under one. That’s why it’s the “Universal Church”; they took all those
religions in. And they knew at the top that you can only hold power ultimately
by causing conflict and even giving yourself an enemy - an enemy makes those
who are ready to leave your group, actually come back and be even tighter with
you; it draws people together. And so they had to have conflict, and so
they gave their antithesis, the Protestant sect out there. Because Luther
was, remember, a Catholic priest.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, one of the things that I grew up with, seeing but never seeing - I was
a Lutheran; and I never really could figure that out and nor did I ask why the
Lutheran symbol – of course, which is not only in the church, it’s on the
stained glass windows, and on the bulletins you get each week – bore the Red
Cross. I mean, I just never…you know, I didn’t ask, I’m sitting there
with my nose running and it’s like: “okay, I guess that makes some kind of
sense.” But that may be indicative, symbolically, of the involvement of
Rosicrucianism.

ALAN –
Oh, there’s no doubt. In fact, in “The 200 Top Freemasons,” published by
the Masonic Society in the US, they have the founders in the United States of
all the major religions and the man who founded Lutheranism in the United
States was a 33rd degree Freemason.

VYZYGOTH
– We are speaking with Alan Watt as we get up to the bottom of the hour on the
Grassy Knoll. Alan, the web site is cuttingthroughthematrix.com.
Now, you also, in your own right, kind of give radio interviews as well.
Does this happen every day, or a couple times a week…how does the format run?

ALAN –
I’m on Swedish radio every month - I’ll be on this Sunday; and that’s Red Ice
Radio. And I’ve been on a lot of radio stations in the past, that were
limited in such a way, or I was limited, because the only outlets that we are
allowed for the public - and I often wonder why, and I know why - for speaking
out about what’s going on; the only outlets in the United States were shortwave
radio for many years, even though it was published in the Toronto Star here
that the CIA controlled the shortwave radio at the beginning to use Christian
groups to fight Communism – as a front, basically front propaganda – but I
don’t think they ever let go, you know. So, I can easily cut my own
throat by going on some of the ultra-fundamental Christian shows by sticking to
what I say, rather than trying to please the hosts. I know I am doing it
while I am doing it; I speak out against gold and silver too and all the others
that I see as con games. I could be in many-many more shows if I played
the game, but I can’t play the game, you know. And it’s the same with
some of the real fundamental Christian shows; they scare their public for an
hour of about what’s happening, and then they lead them at the end, saying:
“but don’t worry, it’s all in God’s hands; God’s in control.” So their
listeners are sort of punch-drunk; they are terrified of the events that have
just been described and at the same time they are just hoping this deity will
spare them. To me that’s a form of mind control, but these are the only
avenues that the public were given since the 1950s or 60s.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, you know, we both spoke earlier in the month; I guess I am kind
of thick-headed, but I also am naïve and sometimes a little too
optimistic, believe it or not; but it started to dawn on me also that the
outlets that are allowed to this day, the networks that we call “Patriot
Networks” are - and even these Nine-Eleven Truth Movements, which now are
shining a lot of light on. If they were not constructed for the very
purpose of infiltration and the imposition of other agendas, certainly they are
going to be corrupted. And what we said yesterday with the Judicants [?]
for 9-11 Truth - that, when you have a group of human beings, you are going to
have corruption. I mean, whatever large or small…

ALAN –
You got to realize, see, I got a lot of information that comes in to me about
some of the big leaders that are being promoted for the Patriots
Movement. I had a daughter, of one major one who is still on, phone me
weekly and fill me in on a lot of stuff. I’ve had people who back another
big superstar; and I get all the information on what’s really going on
there. And there are power battles and struggles over money and territory
and products and all. It’s business, it’s huge business, you know - but
it’s also mind control, because they are very selective in what they tell the
people. I could go on and on about that off the air maybe one day,
but you’d be amazed of the relatives who phone me and tell me.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, I tell you what. I wouldn’t mind doing that, only because it
would confirm probably a lot of what I have yet only to call suspicions and
suppositions, from whatever I hear also. So one day I would like to
compare notes and just figure out whether or not what I call the “bones” I get
about a lot of stuff is in fact correct.

ALAN – I
get it from the relatives themselves. It didn’t blow me away at all,
because I could see through them for sure and I know who is backing them.
And it is the top; they always give the leaders to us - always.
And they have no problem generally with funding.

VYZYGOTH
– You wouldn’t know that by how much they ask for and how often.

ALAN –
Yes, that’s right. The patriot game is an old-old business; it was the
same thing prior to all the revolutions - you found Masons who were
also collecting data on members to see who were too radical; the radical ones,
who really believed in their cause, they knew would rebel when they had taken
over and found out they had gone off in different direction, which is
always the case. And so theyrounded them up, because they
had them on the membership lists and they knew who they were. The
Communists did the same thing- they got lists of all the ones who had
helped bring them to power, the Bolsheviks - and they were all Masonic groups -
and they knew they would not go along with the Agenda when it suddenly did a
right turn; and they rounded them up, because they had all the
members’ lists and just rubbed them out. This is an old
technique - so, they still give us our leaders yet today, who are sworn to
secrecy. One of the greatest examples of that was Colonel Bo
Gritz. Now, Colonel Bo Gritz, we kept hearing all this hoopla about “the
most decorated Vietnam War veteran, yah-de-yah;” and they gave him his own
radio station and he was on for years on the shortwave Patriot radio stations,
boring the hell out of people, it bored me, about the same old stories in
Vietnam, and he wishes it was still going on; and he lived during that and it
was the only time that he was alive. Right after 9/11 - now, he’d gone
off the air only about a month or so before 9-11 happened, after being on
for a stint for four and a half or five years. And on Television in
Canada, major television, they showed a picture the day after 9/11 with him on
the Congressional steps, obviously all arranged; and the camera said near him:
“Colonel Bo Gritz, you’re the most decorated yah-de-yah and you worked at the
Pentagon.” This is the man, remember, who even said on the shortwave that
he had hip-pocket orders from the Pentagon when he left; and he called
everybody “Brother,” by the way - Masonry - he said on the Congressional steps
when he was asked who he thought was behind the bombings on 9/11 - he said:
“probably those paranoid shortwave radio listeners who believe in black
helicopters.” This is the man who had been leading that, that had one of
the biggest shows for four and a half years and just left them. This man
was a complete provocateur!

VYZYGOTH
– Ah, we got one comment. And, folks, again, if you want to send stuff
in, vyzygoth@hotmail.com - and here is a statement that I’ll bounce off
you. Said: “The alternative movement was doomed, like any other movement,
from the start - things can only move one person at a time; you must move down
the right path as an individual and someone might take notice and start moving
in the same direction. A movement infers leadership, and leadership
infers followers, and followers don’t think for themselves - and people who
don’t think for themselves can’t make things move.” I think he probably stated
that pretty well.

ALAN
– Sure.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright, now, getting back to the chronology of the history of things, before
I move this down to what later became the United States; we do have another
question for you; it said: “ Do you believe Knights Templar, Henry Sinclair did
in fact come to Nova Scotia in 1398 - and with the Grail?”

ALAN –
Well, the Grail is a bit of an exoteric myth. There is an esoteric Grail
and the exoteric for the public. And that’s the stuff - the exoteric is
what all the authorized writers write about and keep everybody going off in
circles. The Grail was part of a ritual; and the Grail was the bloody
bowl, where high Templars were emasculated on reaching a certain degree and
joined the Elders, because then they could think clearly without distractions,
you might say. And you find the key of that in even the writing of King
Arthur and his Round Table. Arthur was the Sun, the Round Table
were the Zodiacal members; it’s the old story over and over. When
they were coming out of the hall, a lodge meeting - the round hall again, of
the Templars - one of them comes out, one of the knights, and he is approached
by a lady. But before the knight there is another procession before him -
a man carrying the bowl covered with a cloth; and the lady says: “would you
like to bed, sire?” – she was offering to go to bed with him – and he said:
“no, for I have been wounded in the side.” Now, in those days, and it’s
in the Old Testament too, they used the term “the side” when they meant the
genitals. That’s why Jacob swears on his father’s “thigh” - it’s the
genitals - they held the circumcised penis; that was the sign of recognition -
and they swore on their offspring; that’s what they mean by their “family
jewels” - those to come. And down to the seventh generation, I think it
is – and that was the traditional Arab – it’s still used in some of the
Arab countries today, that very gesture, where they actually put their hand
under and hold the genitals and swear an oath of allegiance to their lord;
that’s still done today in some Semitic peoples. So, in that King Arthur
legend it’s part of the Rite of the emasculation process to get up into the
Elder realm. And that’s what that meant.

VYZYGOTH
– To me the Holy Grail, the Shroud of Turin, the Spear, whatever - to me, you
know, these don’t mean anything to me.

ALAN –
Oh, it’s a complete farce, actually.

VYZYGOTH
– I mean, I was going to say, it’s foolish people who look for signs and
wonders like that.

ALAN –
Well, actually, in the actual - the history books of France are fascinating,
because they have a lot of the day-to-day journals kept by the monks who
accompanied the Templars and all the other Crusaders who went across to the
Middle East. At one time they were flagging so much, they were losing so
many men, the morale was down and all the rest of it - and to get them to take
Jerusalem, this particular monk just happened to have a dream that this spear
was buried under the flagstones of this particular church over there - and lo
and behold, they dug up where he said and they found this bright, new, shiny
spear! And that was the beginning of the whole thing. It was a
propaganda technique used in the Middle Ages to motivate them back into
action.

VYZYGOTH
– Real quick: one of the things I find that kind of fit that description
somewhat and the things that have transpired since 9-11 - whether it’s Katrina,
whether it’s Ground Zero or whatever - people keep finding Bibles that
mysteriously always open to very appropriate passages. You know, even
that one that was supposedly found in an Irish bog or something like
that. Anyway - we talked about Rosicrucianism as it was applied in
Europe, and now it comes to the settlements, I guess, the pre-colonies, if you
will. And I think about the influence of Bacon and his idea of the New
Atlantis and a New World, and here we go! Now, we have all been fed, as
you well know, that everybody who came over either were very Christian or very
spiritual. And they may have been spiritual, but that might have not been
Christianity we’re thinking about…

ALAN –
Absolutely.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright, so along with this supposed - and not necessarily present -
Christianic emphasis or influence there is also something on the other
side. And can we assume or do we know for a fact that many of the
settlements were started by the Rosicrucians?

ALAN –
Oh, there is no doubt. It was well documented in the old books, even on
the English side of the Rosicrucian movements flowing through Europe to
England and embarking for the Americas. Many of them, at least
externally, had religious sides to them under guises of Christianity of
various forms. As I say, you can trace many of their beliefs to the
Albigensians and the Cathars. You see, even the Puritans, when
they came across, which were part of this group, with a history going back to
the persecution of the Catholic Church towards them, where they set, you know,
whole legions of Crusaders against them to wipe them out. And they
weren’t all wiped out - they eventually, down through the ages became thePuritans with their own religion. And they were very-very
wealthy people and I am sure - it’s traceable, in fact - that many of the
present-day leading families, the dynasties in the United States still are
descended from those particular families. Now, the Puritans
themselves believed, because of their religion, they were the “new
chosen people, God’s chosen people,” “the New Jews” they sometimes called
themselves. And they had allegiance to other specific Jewry in the world
to regain the Holy Land, again, with this Knights Templar connection.
And that would be “fulfilling God’s duty.” And I believe the true
radical elite groups on both sides of that are still running the show today.

VYZYGOTH
– As we see, going through the decades into another century, am I right to say
that Rosicrucianism, perhaps everywhere but certainly in the United States was
absorbed by Freemasonry?

ALAN – It
WAS Freemasonry! In fact, Freemasonry were created as a further
branch of Rosicrucianism. Freemasonry came out of
Rosicrucianism; they created it for the middle classes and as all
things, as all religions do have - there is always the public version where
they give you even a divergent Rosicrucianism, where you can send away for
their silly little books that tell you nothing at all. But then there is
a real group that Clymer had. Now, Clymer - and I think it was 1906 or
1908 - had an international convention of Freemasonry. Now, Clymer was
the head of the Rosicrucians. And he said right there as he read off his
speech; he said: “on behalf of the Rosicrucians, who have summoned…” - and he
named off the Freemasonic orders: the Grand Lodge of England, the Scottish Rite
of Freemasonry - he went through all the different branches and the female
branches - as he said: “we the Rosicrucians have summoned to this
convention.” And they came! That tells you who was at the top.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, now we see that influence here, being raised up as the New World.
And where I am going on with this later on. I mean, I have to move along,
I know; we have also more questions. You know, to make a long story
short, there was a talk show host in New York. Are you familiar with the
late Gene Sheppard?

ALAN –
No.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright. He was just a great storyteller. And he also wrote some
great books, one of the Christmas Stories based on it - one of them. He
also wrote something called: “In God We Trust, All of Us Pay Cash.” And
in it he talks about being prodded by his friend, both teenagers, about going
out on a blind date with his friend’s girlfriends’ friend. And he is just
dragging his feet, no way, you know how these blind dates work out… - and goes
on and on. And he gets into the movie theatre and this young lady is
absolutely gorgeous! And then he says: “then it dawned on me that I was
that blind date!” So, the reason I am saying this is I have been
looking around the last six-seven years and what’s going on and how much we
don’t like the New World Order - and it’s always someplace else geographically
and it’s always “somebody else” - well, one day I said to myself: “WE are the
New World Order!” And this is where I am going with it: I’m wondering if
we have been fatted and taken good care of, like a priced possession or horse
or prize fighter, for a certain purpose that is now being unveiled. And I
go back now to the point, when you said about the York Rite, and now I am
laughing, because how long did I live across the river from New York! And
why do they call that first obelisk, later to be followed by the Chrysler
Building, but that first somewhat obelisk the “Empire State Building” and why
is New York the “Empire State?”

ALAN –
Yes; well, let’s go back even further - you will find when the initial Roman
Invasion - now it’s pre-Christian - invasion of England happened, the Romans
first made their headquarters in York in England - not London. And York -
you will still see “The Baths of York” they call them, where they even had
central heating and everything - quite an amazing setup and hot running water
and all the rest of it - that was also the banking system, which the
Romans brought in with them, in York. Now, York – you’ll notice by Hamlet
and Shakespeare, where Hamlet is passing the graveyard and the sexton digs
up an old friend and it was York, the Duke of York - and he says: “I laugh poor
Yorick - that’s how they used to pronounced it: “Yorick” - “I knew him well; a
man of infinite jest”…and all that. Well, Yorick in old England
was a synonym for a skull - the skull; you see. And we know that
out of that came the Skull and Bones, which was also the pirate flag of Queen
Elizabeth’s Navy when they plundered the seas. So it was a skull; your
five senses are in your head; that’s another meaning of the five points of Masonry
- and your head, the “upper room” sits on 33 steps of the spine. The
“upper room” is your skull. So you go up into the upper room as you
ascend the degrees. It’s also in Dante’s Inferno, if you read it carefully, how
he gets out of Hell by climbing up all the 33 steps. It’s all through
everything that we know but most folk don’t realize what they are talking
about. So, York was a Skull at one point; however, York the Romans made
the capital of a place which they called Heboracum. And that’s in the old
maps, if you look at it. They did bring bankers with them who were the
quartermasters for the army; they looked after the munitions, the credit and
debt system, which ran the Roman Army; and the Roman Army - the first thing
they did was to conquer the people, introduce money, so they could tax it back
from them in labor - and this was dealt by the bankers of York in the county or
area of Heboracum.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright. I am going to make one last statement and then I want to get
to the questions and comments and there is something else about the events in
the United States and how they may have impacted us and they were not
necessarily what they seemed to be, of course, as recorded in our history
books. But, you know, I had to laugh, because one time Harry and I, just
kicking around some thoughts - you know, he looked at me and he said: “you
know, when we look at what Rhodes wanted to do with the Federation, say, of
South Africa and Federating Australia - much like Canada too, which, when look
at those provinces, they should be countries, instead they are just provinces
under one big country. He said: “But you know what?” He goes:
“Probably the joke is on us, because once we went into a United States of
America; those 13 colonies later become states - what was that? It was a
FEDERATION.” So, here we are, you know, opposing all the other
federations and a final one, if you will - and in essence they ran it by us
first!

ALAN –
Oh, absolutely! You walk along the borders of the United States and
Canada - and the last treaty that was signed to re-establish for good the
borders was done by a Lord Rothschild. He was sent over by the British
Crown. And he took charge of that. There was a high Masonic
agreement made between the both sides; and as you walk along the borders of the
US and Canada you will come across obelisks every mile or so. That’s the
symbol of Freemasonry…on both sides. They are stone obelisks, maybe six
foot, eight foot tall. That’s how they marked the border. That was
a Masonic agreement from the beginning - you jump from that Masonic agreement
to another thing that happened back to Clymer's convention in the early 1900s
into an international Masonic association under Rosicrucianism; and the whole
speech - apart from the opening of Great Center in Pennsylvania, which now
gives out all of the so-called philosophical books of Freemasonry - the whole
speech was about the “Reunification of the Americas.” And he said: “Our
goal as Freemasons, is to work stridently towards our goal of reuniting the
Eagle of Mexico with the Eagle of the United States.”

VYZYGOTH
– Probably just a coincidence!

ALAN –
Yeah; and every major politician was there, because they were all Masons, and
the Heads of the Schooling Departments was there - everybody who shapes your
culture was at that meeting.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, you know, you heard me kind of have an epiphany here, a slap upside the
head; but now I remember, in Vermont, hiking, also right across the Jersey
border in New York, where there’s a lot of great trails, what’s often been left
around. And nobody pays attention to it, just like I didn’t. And
that as you do have some markers for mile markers - and this is no longer
on the highways; these are on back paths and such; and they are all
obelisks!

ALAN –
All obelisks, East to West coast, you have the same thing.

VYZYGOTH
– Oh, beautiful! Alright, now let’s go to some of the questions.
“Why are they - whoever is “they” - storing everyone’s DNA information in
huge databases, supercomputers?

ALAN –
Because they are going the Aldous Huxley route - which they told us they would
do, in many other writings, of eugenics. Where the inferior types
ultimately will no longer be allowed to breed. That’s one of the main
reasons; it’s not just ID. I.D. actually means “Ideal Design,” by the way
- intelligent design. They want to give us an intelligent design, rather
than this haphazard way of just picking your own mate. Now they are
collecting it all, because in the future, before they get to the complete
cloning stage, they will tell you who will marry, who will not - or at least
who will breed. It’s not the marriage that’s important; it’s
who will be allowed to breed. This is a eugenics program.
And Freemasonry is rampant through all of its writings with eugenics
and the need to marry or be matched up with intelligence for
intelligence. In fact, as you go up the degrees of Masonry,
when the Grand Master decides that you’re going to get taken further, you
will be introduced to your wife, and if you catch on, you will obey
when you get a little suggestion from the Master, who tells you: “she would be
a perfect wife for you” - that’s an order. You’re getting led. And
that wife will have a genealogy going back, because the genes of, what they
claim are, “the higher inbred groups” are in the wife.And
you marry her; it’s the offspring they are after. Masonry
itself - higher Masonry - is a eugenics program. It’s all
through the writings.

VYZYGOTH
– Although Francis Galton is attached to a lot of this, and I think probably
incorrectly, because I don’t think he was nearly as radical as Wells and even
George Bernard Shaw. On galton.org there is transcripts of
that famous meeting, in which basically Wells told Galton he was a “pussy” -
excuse me. And that he was into negative eugenics or depopulation;
and Shaw felt, you know, “to heck with marriage” - I mean, this is so stupid;
let’s just get two people who are good to mate and let that happen - and this
is what you are talking about. And galton.org does have on it the
transcripts of that speech, which, if you can read between the lines, you
realize that something happened there that day.

ALAN –
Oh, it happened. It’s interesting too that, you see, George Bernard Shaw
was the product of a special mating of a very high noble Mason with a wife;
Shaw never met his father; he was created to be what he was - his father was a
great writer too. And that was also allowed. If you go back to
Benjamin Franklin in Dashwood’s Hellfire Club, now they had a whorehouse attached
to the Hellfire Club in High Wycombe in England. And this is a tenet,
too, I’ve read through many of the old Masonic books, because they did have
these whorehouses on the claim that a man must have his sexual release to
remain healthy mentally. But there was more to it - if you were a higher
Mason - these were not ordinary whorehouses. The women in them had been
bred over generations by high Freemasons. And so it wasn’t an ordinary
whorehouse. Only if you had fulfilled a duty towards the Great Work, like
Franklin, were you allowed to mate with one of those women. At the time
that Benjamin Franklin was there, he was allowed to mate with one of
them. You never guess who it was? Madame Bouvier, which was the
predecessor in the same lineage of Jacqueline Kennedy. Two of the sisters
are still alive today of the direct Bouvier line in France. These were
special women, who were reared and bred by eugenics programs already on the go.
And the offspring of a high Mason will be given the honor to mate with her for
the offspring. That was a high honor.

VYZYGOTH
– You’ve read James Shelby Downard [?], right? because he says the same
thing about Bouvier, but he has another one, too, which is all in that
bloodline as it all turned out on this side of the pond - and that was
Radswell.

ALAN –
There was another one, too - it was Lyndon Baines Johnson. The Baines
family, McBaines family were related to the Bouvier and they also go all the
way to Macbeth, you know.

VYZYGOTH
– So we might have a picture there of cousins when LBJ was on Air Force One,
taking the oath. And next to him was his cousin, Jacqueline.
Alright, if I go a little long, I will just to get these in, if you’ll bear
with me. Is that okay with you, if we go over a little?

ALAN – Sure.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright; let me get to one that might be a little bit more compact to
answer. Okay, it says: “What’s your take on vegetarianism-veganism and
animal suffering?”

ALAN –
The animal suffering, there’s no doubt about it. I mean, the animals
today are just bred as a commodity and killed in the same way. Here
is the problem, too. You found some of the higher Freemasons all become
vegetarians. Interestingly enough, Alvin Toffler in his book: The
Third Wave, where Fascism is to merge with Communism for the New
World Order - this is the book that Newt Gingrich handed out on the
Congressional steps to the Congressmen - in there Toffler said: “The world we
are creating for the New World Order will be vegetarian only.” And he
said: “it must be so.” He doesn’t say why. Now, when you realize
that a lot of Freemasonry, most of it is taken from ancient Hinduism. The
Brahmins of India kept millions of people subjugated, basically by withholding
certain foods from them and making sure their religion taught them
vegetarianism. We find the nobility of England used the same techniques
on the peasantry for centuries since the Norman invasion. They restricted
the diet, they had very little meat, their IQ was down, their growth was
stunted. When you make a vegetarian society, you also make a very
manipulatable, easily controlled society. That’s just time-tested with
history, over and over again. Now, here the thing too - since the Big
Boys, the Big Five got together, Monsanto and Conagra and ADM - ADM is Adam, of
course, that’s why it’s ADM - took over the earth for growing, and give
modified vegetables: they have spliced so many genes into these particular
plants - not to make them bigger or greener, but it will affect you, because
these plants are little laboratories that produce chemicals and enzymes.
Plants have been used for thousand of years to make the biggest effects on
changes in the human body. You just need to look at opium, for
instance. So, here they are promoting vegetarianism and at the same time
giving you nothing but modified food. There is another agenda behind
this, and we can’t fall into this trap.

VYZYGOTH
– Well, I tell you, I had on Gerry Guideddi [?] who breeds heirloom
seeds. And I asked her: “well, is it possible that the GMO food
vegetables are already out there, although they are telling us they are
thinking about it - because I got a tomato that’s been lasting about three
months!

ALAN
–Don’t forget: we were the last to know that we were already ON the GMO
food. Canada admitted - only because it broke out in Britain - that
Canadians had been the test guinea pigs for modified food for ten years; and it
said - this was in the national newspapers in Canada - and it said that the
Government, our wonderful Government had agreed in a secret pact with Monsanto
to test this on the general public of Canada. You see, there is no such
thing as Democracy. We are run by tyrants and Masonic clubs!

VYZYGOTH
– And it’s just a terrible story about what happened to Percy Schmeizer up
there.

ALAN – He
was totally wiped out.

VYZYGOTH
– Ah, I mean, you were hoping for a happy ending and it just did not occur.

ALAN –
The Judge actually said - and I’ve got the transcript here - “I don’t care if
this stuff blew onto your field or if a bird passed it through its droppings,
it was on your land and that’s all that the law is looking at.”

VYZYGOTH
– Jee, that was incredible.

ALAN – So
this is an Agenda as we know. Yes, vegetarianism is a great - and there
is no doubt. I mean, I watched a program not long ago on the big packers
industry. You know that every company now is amalgamating and
amalgamating – and only a couple of the packers now run the meat of the world,
the whole supply – and there is one out in Canada, and this woman said: “You
know, they had no sooner slaughtered the cattle and they were cutting it up on
the conveyor belts on the way out and the tongues were still moving as they
were cutting them!” I mean, I can’t believe… …I can believe
anything, in fact, in this monetary system - it’s the most corrupt, anti-life
system you could possibly devise.

VYZYGOTH
– Here he says: “Regarding culture creation, was the very first underground pop
music that was out there really from the grass roots of society?”

ALAN –
No. No, I’ve been in the studios when they’ve created some of the
movements or the new styles. I’ve seen average groups come in with some
little piece of crumpled paper where they had written a song; and then the Big
Boys come in, the real managers and producers; completely re-write it, you lay
down the tracks for the melody, and then they’ll go over that and completely
alter that into a different style again, and they remake the group, you know -
promising them they will have a hit. Sometimes they’ll tell them: “You’ll
have two or three hits and then you’ll fade away, but you keep your mouth shut,
you don’t tell the public how it’s going; and they’ll get the Rolling Stones
Magazine write a lot of nonsense about you, which the public will
believe.” And that’s exactly how it works. Culture creation,
especially on any of those areas of music, art, drama, must be authorized from
the top.

VYZYGOTH
– With regard to Crowley - Basically, what was his function in this whole
scheme?

ALAN –
Crowley was, number one, a Freemason to begin with. He came from an
aristocratic family. In fact, the Queen and most of the Nobility got all
their wines and their special speciality wines and rare wines from the Crowley
family, who owned the biggest store in London. He was attached to the
British Secret Service as it was called then, before it was called MI6 - and
sent abroad, not only to spy but to get into the upper elites of those
families. All these families, you see, are all into high Masonry and the
occult; so it attracts them. You send aristocrats over with a new
knowledge and they come to you, so easily, like flies. And so he was
taught to preach a new type of occultic Freemasonry. A Freemasonry that
was to kick off a New World Order that would eventually attract the young,
combine it with mind-altering drugs, in preparation for what was to come later
on, which was the 1960s revolutions.

VYZYGOTH
– We had somebody on, who I think was being rather disingenuous, from the OTO,
who downplayed Crowley’s influence and just kind of said he was more about
clowning around and theatre; we could assume that wasn’t correct, was it?

ALAN –
His job was to go out and create mysticism and confusion. You see, the
OTO branch is a branch of Masonry. Masonry pretended for years that
it was not, but it’s admitted now - they couldn’t hide it, especially when you
have all the photographs of Crowley in his Masonic regalia. No, he was
not clowning around; he was a member of the York Rite of England; he was a
member of the Scottish Rite; he belonged to different Rites all over the
planet; but his job was to create this new type to get the young into it, and
especially to combine it with drugs, mind-altering experiences, which would
attract the young and all of that ended up…it was geared towards the coming
musicians, in fact, and the actors and actresses. It was a speciality
branch of Masonry for a particular function.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright, this will be the last one and we’ll close on this and I appreciate
your staying over. It said, “Now that many of us know that we are part of
an ongoing plan in which we cannot escape, what advice can you give as to
how to accept this; and secondly - would you agree that not adopting any of the
‘belief systems’ is a good way of dealing with and not participating in this
long-term plan?”

ALAN –
Definitely. It’s no secret, for instance, that all the religions and the
heads of religions are all part of the same club with the same agenda.
They’re not opposing agendas at all, whether it’s the Vatican, the Pope or the
Dalai Lama. I watched the Dalai Lama give Masonic signals and gestures -
and they are all high Masons at the top; they are the shepherds that lead
the flocks; the flocks are different species, remember - they are the sheep.
If you follow any religion, you will be led to do the bidding of the
ones at the top and you will always lose yourself personally at the end
- although the group at the top will always win. That’s the way of it
all.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright. Alan, if you don’t mind, can we do this next month?

ALAN –
Sure.

VYZYGOTH
– I mean, there’s other things that I also want to be run by with regard to,
you know, the way things really are and what we were told they were. Cuttingthroughthematrix.com
- that’s the web site and where are you going to be on most recently?

ALAN –
I’ll be on Sunday on Red Ice in Sweden.

VYZYGOTH
– Alright. We look forward to that. Thank you very much for being
with us; we appreciate it, and I will see you sometime next month. Bye
Alan, thank you.