And he's still making some of the worst coaching decisions in the league.

Absurd. You can bitch about his offensive schemes and lack of offensive production, but to bitch about tactical decisions is a joke. Not sure what you are referring to, but you lose all credibility with me (if you care) if you contend that going for it on 4th and 1 inside the 20 was a mistake.

Easy 6

11-15-2009, 07:11 PM

Chiefs win.

Donko's lose.

Yea, its been a pretty good day.

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:13 PM

Absurd. You can bitch about his offensive schemes and lack of offensive production, but to bitch about tactical decisions is a joke. Not sure what you are referring to, but you lose all credibility with me (if you care) if you contend that going for it on 4th and 1 inside the 20 was a mistake.

Against a team that can't score it's a dumbass decision.

Param

11-15-2009, 07:15 PM

Chiefs win.

Donko's lose.

Yea, its been a pretty good day.

:clap:

Agree. Chiefs won today!

FringeNC

11-15-2009, 07:15 PM

Against a team that can't score it's a dumbass decision.

Funny. I remember you on our side suggesting that Herm sucked the big one because he was the epitome of a play-not-to-lose coach. Now that Walter Football doesn't like Haley, you all of a sudden are advocating Martyball.

WildTurkey

11-15-2009, 07:16 PM

Against a team that can't score it's a dumbass decision.

if they make it and go on to score a td then the game is over... it's worth the risk

pr_capone

11-15-2009, 07:16 PM

Absurd. You can bitch about his offensive schemes and lack of offensive production, but to bitch about tactical decisions is a joke. Not sure what you are referring to, but you lose all credibility with me (if you care) if you contend that going for it on 4th and 1 inside the 20 was a mistake.

It was a mistake.

Any team that has as much trouble as we do putting up points needs to take them where we can get them.

Not kicking the FG there could have easily cost us the game.

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:18 PM

Dude there is a difference in being conservative and being smart.

The Chiefs are an awful team playing another awful team, you take your points. It's one thing if you're losing or the other team has major offensive firepower but that wasn't the case today.

Reaper16

11-15-2009, 07:19 PM

Funny. I remember you on our side suggesting that Herm sucked the big one because he was the epitome of a play-not-to-lose coach. Now that Walter Football doesn't like Haley, you all of a sudden are advocating Martyball.
You're crazy. Since when has Mecca advocated MArtyball. FACT is that Haley has made a lot of rookie mistakes. He hasn't been better than Herm was as far as in-game decision making.

DaWolf

11-15-2009, 07:19 PM

It was a mistake.

Any team that has as much trouble as we do putting up points needs to take them where we can get them.

Not kicking the FG there could have easily cost us the game.

True, but I would also say you should be able to pick up a yard. Going for it on the 4th an 1 where Charles broke the run essentially was the difference, and Haley probably figures you get a first there and if you punch it in, you got the game. The playcall perhaps should have been something else, but if that works and we go in it is a great call. If it fails, it looks bad. You can argue it either way. Herm definitely would have kicked it so he is quite different than Herm in terms of his aggressiveness...

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:20 PM

You're crazy. Since when has Mecca advocated MArtyball. FACT is that Haley has made a lot of rookie mistakes. He hasn't been better than Herm was as far as in-game decision making.

There are far to many people around here that don't know the difference in being aggressive and being a retard.

DeezNutz

11-15-2009, 07:20 PM

People were in the game thread saying to go for it on 4th and 1 on our own half of the field in the first fucking quarter.

Folks have lost their minds. No, no, no. That would not be a smart decision.

FringeNC

11-15-2009, 07:20 PM

Dude there is a difference in being conservative and being smart.

The Chiefs are an awful team playing another awful team, you take your points. It's one thing if you're losing or the other team has major offensive firepower but that wasn't the case today.

I actually am shocked that you view it as a mistake, and given your overall football philosophy, think that your dislike of Haley has clouded your judgment to make rational evaluations of tactical decisions.

WildTurkey

11-15-2009, 07:21 PM

It was a mistake.

Any team that has as much trouble as we do putting up points needs to take them where we can get them.

Not kicking the FG there could have easily cost us the game.

the raiders can't move the ball which is exactly why giving them the ball inside their own 20 isn't that huge of an error... especially in a game where if the chiefs get a td there the game is more or less sealed

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:21 PM

No I just realize the difference in how you call a game has to do with your opponent and your talent.

Param

11-15-2009, 07:22 PM

Dude there is a difference in being conservative and being smart.

The Chiefs are an awful team playing another awful team, you take your points. It's one thing if you're losing or the other team has major offensive firepower but that wasn't the case today.

You're just a breath of sewer air on a divisional rival game day win, aren't ya?

pr_capone

11-15-2009, 07:26 PM

the raiders can't move the ball which is exactly why giving them the ball inside their own 20 isn't that huge of an error... especially in a game where if the chiefs get a td there the game is more or less sealed

I respectfully disagree.

In a game where their kicker can boot 50+ yard field goals with consistency, they don't need to move the ball all that far to get in FG range. At the time the Chiefs went for it on 4th and 1 we were only up by 3.

Even if the Raiders had somehow managed to score a long TD, which with our inability to stop the run is not out of the question, we would have only been down by 1.

A FG in that situation still nets us the win.

We were VERY fortunate that the Raiders turned the ball over at the end... this could have been a crushing loss.

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:29 PM

You're just a breath of sewer air on a divisional rival game day win, aren't ya?

I ripped the fuck out of Herm for this same shit, having a bad team is no excuse for stupid decisions.

And I stress this anyone who advocates going for a 4th down in your own end in the 1st quarter is a complete idiot.

pr_capone

11-15-2009, 07:30 PM

I ripped the **** out of Herm for this same shit, having a bad team is no excuse for stupid decisions.

And I stress this anyone who advocates going for a 4th down in your own end in the 1st quarter is a complete idiot.

It was the 3rd.

Mecca

11-15-2009, 07:31 PM

It was the 3rd.

Look at Deez post.

And Haley went for a 4th down in his own end early in the Charger game which was completely stupid.

pr_capone

11-15-2009, 07:33 PM

Look at Deez post.

And Haley went for a 4th down in his own end early in the Charger game which was completely stupid.

Oh, sorry. I was on another 4th and 1.

DaWolf

11-15-2009, 07:34 PM

Well there you go. Haley just admitted that he should have taken the FG but at the time wanted to go up by 2 scores against a good D. He said the call where he went of the long FG was also a mistake, he should have punted for field position instead of giving Oakland a short field.

My guess is that this is a young coach who will learn from this...

DeezNutz

11-15-2009, 07:35 PM

Well there you go. Haley just admitted that he should have taken the FG but at the time wanted to go up by 2 scores against a good D. He said the call where he went of the long FG was also a mistake, he should have punted for field position instead of giving Oakland a short field.

My guess is that this is a young coach who will learn from this...

I like Haley a lot more in pressers than I do on Sundays...

DaWolf

11-15-2009, 07:38 PM

I like Haley a lot more in pressers than I do on Sundays...

The thing I respect is that he admits mistakes. My hope is that he will be able to fairly evaluate himself after this year, and my guess is he will get himself an OC to sit there and be someone who can "hold him in check" as he calls it, in situations like that. Right now as the OC and head coach, I don't think he's taking the view of the game that he would if he were just the HC...

jidar

11-15-2009, 07:40 PM

I thought that was the wrong decision before I knew the outcome, I'm going to stick by that.
That's just based on what I know though, Haley obviously has more information about what's happening on the field than any of us so it's hard to criticize. He might have seen something that made him think they could pull it off.

Tribal Warfare

11-15-2009, 07:44 PM

saw him yelling at matt cassel midway through 4th on raiders goaline

Well that proves noone is untouchable when Haley chewed out Prince Cassel.

The Bad Guy

11-15-2009, 07:53 PM

There are far to many people around here that don't know the difference in being aggressive and being a retard.

I'm sure you can show us the way all knowing one.

DeezNutz

11-15-2009, 07:54 PM

The thing I respect is that he admits mistakes. My hope is that he will be able to fairly evaluate himself after this year, and my guess is he will get himself an OC to sit there and be someone who can "hold him in check" as he calls it, in situations like that. Right now as the OC and head coach, I don't think he's taking the view of the game that he would if he were just the HC...

Agreed. And I'm similarly hopeful.

Seems like a good dude. Sure would be nice to see him succeed.

Reaper16

11-15-2009, 07:56 PM

Agreed. And I'm similarly hopeful.

Seems like a good dude. Sure would be nice to see him succeed.
I like him, too. My great hope is that he will learn from all of his mistakes and that be will be a better coach in the future for us for having made them.

Rausch

11-15-2009, 08:01 PM

I love Haley going for it on 4th but hate a lot of this trickeration bull$3it he pulls.

dirk digler

11-15-2009, 08:02 PM

People were in the game thread saying to go for it on 4th and 1 on our own half of the field in the first fucking quarter.

Folks have lost their minds. No, no, no. That would not be a smart decision.

I admit I did because it wasn't 4th and 1 it was 4th and 1/2 of a millimeter. They could have farted the ball over the first down marker

Raised On Riots

11-15-2009, 08:02 PM

they won in spite of him, not because of him.

Yep. And you gotta' get three to avoid "complete ass"-status; four if you want to show your face in public w/0 still looking like a schmuck, yes.

Noss

11-15-2009, 08:08 PM

Chiefs win.

Donko's lose.

Yea, its been a pretty good day.

Oh yes, this is how I describe a perfect football Sunday! :thumb:

Otter

11-15-2009, 08:15 PM

I ripped the **** out of Herm for this same shit, having a bad team is no excuse for stupid decisions.

God bless you Mecca!

Much like Jesus and King Kong you've died for our sins!

|Zach|

11-15-2009, 08:16 PM

God bless you Mecca!

Much like Jesus and King Kong you've died for our sins!

:D

pr_capone

11-15-2009, 08:18 PM

God bless you Mecca!

Much like Jesus and King Kong you've died for our sins!

LMAO

The Bad Guy

11-15-2009, 08:36 PM

I like him, too. My great hope is that he will learn from all of his mistakes and that be will be a better coach in the future for us for having made them.

Oh no. That's just not possible. He just can not improve. I've already learned on this board that Herman Edwards was a better coach and that it is fair to compare the 2 when Haley has coached 10 games compared to Herm's 5 years.

Todd Haley can never get better.

Micjones

11-15-2009, 08:41 PM

He needs to win 1 more to really make his point.

BossChief

11-15-2009, 08:44 PM

Oh no. That's just not possible. He just can not improve. I've already learned on this board that Herman Edwards was a better coach and that it is fair to compare the 2 when Haley has coached 10 games compared to Herm's 5 years.

Todd Haley can never get better.

the legend of herm grows by the day!

Raised On Riots

11-15-2009, 08:47 PM

Oh no. That's just not possible. He just can not improve. I've already learned on this board that Herman Edwards was a better coach and that it is fair to compare the 2 when Haley has coached 10 games compared to Herm's 5 years.

Todd Haley can never get better.

"Magic 8-Ball says: 3rd and Draw"!

Come on man; I believed in Haley big time for a long time, but he needs to relinquish the reigns on Offense if he's going to succeed as a head coach in this league, early in his career.

I hope he can and does, because hiring another new HC at the end of this season would be absolute clown shoes.

Tiger's Fan

11-15-2009, 08:56 PM

And he's still making some of the worst coaching decisions in the league.

He's no Pete Carrol.

ROFL

DeezNutz

11-15-2009, 08:58 PM

There are a lot of similarities between pro and college coaches...

Good grief. Herm Edwards, for example, would likely be a fantastic college coach at a program like UCLA.

Raised On Riots

11-15-2009, 11:21 PM

There are a lot of similarities between pro and college coaches...

Good grief. Herm Edwards, for example, would likely be a fantastic college coach at a program like UCLA.

No one is teh awesome College Coach until they can single-handidly clean out the buffet at teh Lawrence Ks. Sizzler, yes.:)

WebGem

11-16-2009, 12:01 AM

Haley was right.

Raised On Riots

11-16-2009, 12:02 AM

Haley was right.

Sweet potato pies!:D

Mr. Arrowhead

11-16-2009, 12:13 AM

Hes no Bill Belichik, he didnt go for it on his own 30 yard line

Raiderhader

11-16-2009, 12:25 AM

There are far to many people around here that don't know the difference in being aggressive and being a retard.

There are far too many people around who are never happy unless they are bitching.

greg63

11-16-2009, 12:29 AM

Guess he doesn't have to eat his words.

Well, can we dump the 22 guys off the street and get a real team now? :D
j/k

Tiger's Fan

11-16-2009, 02:06 AM

Well, can we dump the 22 guys off the street and get a real team now? :D
j/k

Theres more truth to this than you know.

We can play with, and beat teams with similar talent. Those teams, like ours, are very short on talent though. They're just getting started on building this mess from the ground up, and most people don't understand that. Contrary to popular opinion, it won't happen in one, or even two offseasons. We have that much to replace.

Christofire

11-16-2009, 02:39 AM

Are you waiting for this to change? I'm just curious as to why you might as well be pointing out that the sun rose today.

In other news Dane Cook made a joke, Terry Bradshaw was a funny knucklehead and Shannon Sharpe was annoying and has a lisp.

It cracks me up when people complain about Haley's temper. You read how people rant and rave on this board during the game, and we're expected to believe that somehow during a game they would be more calm and composed if they were the one on the sideline who had devoted almost this entire calendar year to fixing this team? Yeah, right.
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wild1

11-16-2009, 07:22 AM

Did people really think this team would not win 2 games this year?

The Bad Guy

11-16-2009, 07:48 AM

"Magic 8-Ball says: 3rd and Draw"!

Come on man; I believed in Haley big time for a long time, but he needs to relinquish the reigns on Offense if he's going to succeed as a head coach in this league, early in his career.

I hope he can and does, because hiring another new HC at the end of this season would be absolute clown shoes.

I agree about the offense, which is why I think Charlie Weis has a shot ending up here as the OC. It seems from their backgrounds that they have the same philosophies.