I am an Agnostic person so I do not believe in god nor the bible nor do I strongly believe in the non-existence of anything religious. However, although everything makes sense thus far, I do not know how to determine what to believe happens after we die. Rationality tells me there is no afterlife and when you die it is like having no emotions, thoughts or senses. But factual evidence of an afterlife is existent such as interview with people who have been brought back to life with hospital machinery after being dead for a few minutes, and all their stories sound similar, so is that a typical response that happens to the body when going under this situation or is this actually evidence of an afterlife?

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[On how kangaroos could have gotten back to Australia after the flood]: Don't kangaroos skip along the surface of the water? --Kenn

It is like it was before you were born. We are all a form of energy. The whole universe is. Energy can't be destroyed. It changes. We will be a part of the universe but not with any kind of knowledge of it.

I would love there to be an afterlife. Preferably a non-heaven version. I would love to know that such stories are true.

But it doesn't matter what I want. What matters is what is true. And unless new information comes to light, my death is my end. As is everyone else's.

I did fine before I was born. My non-existence didn't bother me a bit. I assume I'll return to that state. All of which makes me enjoy this brief blip in time when I can experience existence all that much more.

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It isn't true that non-existent gods can't do anything. For instance, they were able to make me into an atheist.

But factual evidence of an afterlife is existent such as interview with people who have been brought back to life with hospital machinery after being dead for a few minutes, and all their stories sound similar, so is that a typical response that happens to the body when going under this situation or is this actually evidence of an afterlife?

They weren't dead. They were dying. Death is when all the cells in your body shut down. It is a process that takes time and no one "comes back" from it. Just because your heart stops does not mean you were dead. After all, your heart stops in between each beat. Nor does a lack of brain activity mean death either.

What they experienced were typical symptoms of the process of dying. Just like when people have the flu, everyone experiences similar, typical symptoms.

It's only factual that people who said they have died, came back, and believe there's an afterlife. However, that doesn't make it a fact, or evidence that there is an afterlife just because some people say there was.

I don't think that our personalities and memories are capable of surviving without a healthy, functional brain, and that's why I don't believe in life after death. In fact, I've observed that there are large portions of the night (in phases of deep and dreamless sleep) when I'm not even aware that I exist. That's what I think will happen after we die: Complete lack of consciousness and awareness.

But factual evidence of an afterlife is existent such as interview with people who have been brought back to life with hospital machinery after being dead for a few minutes, and all their stories sound similar

It's totalThe diviners divine false visions, the prophets prophesy lies, and every dreamer shares deceptive dreams, brought forth from their own imaginations. It's all a bunch of delusions created by the brain. It's their brains playing tricks on them. But usually it's mostly lies...

On the other hand, if a child claims to have had a dream or a vision, then that should be taken into consideration. Bcz children are blameless. They have no reason to lie. You never hear a child say he has had a dream of hell(bcz it doesn't exist). They always say they had a dream of Heaven. Bcz Heaven does exist.

Food for thought...

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Presuppositionalism wins everytime

Nietzsche : "Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."

I've always figured that near death experiences must be neurologically similar to dreams. There's still electrical activity happening in the brain as the body is dying, and the stories people tell about those experiences are really the mind's attempt to explain what the brain was experiencing. This also explains why the stories have so much in common.

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“Be skeptical. But when you get proof, accept proof.” –Michael Specter

The entire bible? If you haven't gone through the trouble of checking any of the links I have provided in this forum so far, then there's not much I can do for you. You can be sure of one thing though. I will not share the content equivalent to approx 15 videos & articles here, just bcz mister doesn't have time to check my links.

I've always figured that near death experiences must be neurologically similar to dreams. There's still electrical activity happening in the brain as the body is dying, and the stories people tell about those experiences are really the mind's attempt to explain what the brain was experiencing. This also explains why the stories have so much in common.

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Exactly.

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Presuppositionalism wins everytime

Nietzsche : "Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."

Rationality tells me there is no afterlife and when you die it is like having no emotions, thoughts or senses. But factual evidence of an afterlife is existent such as interview with people who have been brought back to life with hospital machinery after being dead for a few minutes, and all their stories sound similar, so is that a typical response that happens to the body when going under this situation or is this actually evidence of an afterlife?

A person telling a story, testimony to borrow a phrase, is not factual evidence of anything. It is the conscious recollection of an event in the past, which may or may not be accurate with respect to reality. If I were to take psychotropic drugs and tell you that the room is filled with green mushrooms, orange butterflies and 3-headed snakes, is that not factual? My recounting of the experience is factual, but the elements of the experience are clearly not factual.

People who are dying are clearly not dead yet. Their body and brain are not working properly. Anyone who has been sick can sometimes tell a different tale of something that occurred. Their telling of the story is factual because they experienced it and are telling what they saw, but the elements of what occurred are not accurate with respect to reality.

You are like some of my relatives who don't believe in god but cannot stand the thought of nothing existing after they die. They want to believe in something. You can believe in whatever you like, but you shouldn't confuse testimony with reality.

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John 14:2 :: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.