JUAN WILLIAMS: I think he's been reluctant to say anything on this, so I think that your perspective is that he's playing a race card. My perspective is who doubts that race is a factor for the first African-American president? Having been -- having his faith doubted, he's a Muslim, the birther movement, he's not an American. And of course he's been called uppity, been called a liar by Congresspeople.

DOBBS: I mean, we can get into specifics, but nobody is calling him uppity here.

WILLIAMS: No.

DOBBS: And no one is -- I can't recall anyone having said it, but your memory is better than mine, I'm sure on that. The reality is this, here's a man talking about his policies and saying that it has everything to do with him being the first African-American president of the United States.

WILLIAMS: Now you and I come into agreement, because I think if we're talking about policies --

DOBBS: That's what I'm talking about.

WILLIAMS: There are legitimate policy differences. I think that he has been castigated though, just let me say, on a visceral, an emotional level.

DOBBS: You're going backwards here.

WILLIAMS: In terms of other --

DOBBS: You're going to go backwards.

WILLIAMS: No, no no. I'm not going to go back, because I think on the policy issues, we have real points of disagreement.

DOBBS: I would hope, I would hope -- and what scares me, and I mean this, [INAUDIBLE] what scares me is that there are people out there listening to the President of the United States, not crediting the fact that maybe his race played some part in his election to the White House.

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