I believe there is going to be a update for 8.1 not sure when I believe someone had said later on today im in no hurry anyway for 8.1 im still getting used to 8 hardly ever go the the modern ui anyway I stay on the desktop 95% of the time but at any rate if there is a complication here with start 8 and 8.1 im sure obit will address it in time.

Spindle that is what I gather, I'm asking because he said "We have an update resolving this coming shortly. Look for a link in this forum later today." and it's later on today. Don't mean to rush, just want to know before I grab it is all.

Start8 seems to be still active, since you can grab the Start8-Icon if you carefully hover downwards over the new Win8.1 StartIcon. At least with my applied WindowBlinds Skin I have a maybe 5 pixel high part of the Start8 icon beneath the Win8 icon. Haven't tested yet with different skins, if that makes a difference in Icon heights.

Also ModernMix has now problems with keeping the apps windowed. The Store and the Weather app don't like the windowd mode anymore, they display in the upper left corner, not fullscreen but in the size of the window.

Win 8.1 is looking good so far. The first time it booted after the update the system was sluggish and then locked up and wouldn't restart. I powered the system down and restarted it and it's working fine now. All my apps are still there and working. I'm checking out the new interface features, but since I'm an old school desktop jockey that's just a side mission for now.

One issue that I found is that some games will not exit to Desktop after using Start 8 1.17 Beta and windows 8.1 preview. This issue was present in 1.16 as well with 8.1 and is the only issue that is unresolved in 1.17. Pressing Ctrl + Alt + Del and selecting exit brings up the desktop with no sign of the application hung and this does not occur with Start 8 not running/uninstalled so definitely a Start8 related glitch here.

One issue that I found is that some games will not exit to Desktop after using Start 8 1.17 Beta and windows 8.1 preview. This issue was present in 1.16 as well with 8.1 and is the only issue that is unresolved in 1.17. Pressing Ctrl + Alt + Del and selecting exit brings up the desktop with no sign of the application hung and this does not occur with Start 8 not running/uninstalled so definitely a Start8 related glitch here.

Which games are they?

I assume by exit to desktop you mean you have the feature turned on in Start8 where fullscreen modern UI applications should go to the desktop when closed vs the Win8 start menu? How are you closing the games?

Thanks for the reply and want to thank you and Stardock for coming up with a very effective solution for MS's idiocy.

The one game I am consistently noticing this right now is COJ:Gunslinger and I simply exit by clicking 'exit' in the game menu. The game is running the latest patch and the rest of my system is updated as well (latest drivers etc.)

Contrary to what I saw earlier, the game does not indeed terminate when Start8 is running and after pressing Ctrl + Alt + Del I need to terminate it from the task manager menu. Also saw it with Far Cry 3 a couple of times.

This does not occur when Start8 is not running or installed.

Granted that both Win 8.1 and Start8 1.17 are beta, this is not a huge issue as everything else is working great but may be something for you to test moving forward.