Lewis Hamilton - Part IV

How can it be an insult? I was just referring to verifiable events, i.e. Hamilton himself 'joking' about racial discrimination (thankfully only once, AFAIK) and, far more annyoing, some fans repeatedly abusing the theme in order to label any kind of criticism on Hamilton as motivated by racism.

As Kerch said, it's probably a 'non native speaker' thing.

It reads like an insult, actually I only re-read it to look for a different intepretation when I saw it was you posting

Ah the usual suspects chime in in their numbers to render null and void the opinions of others. Some have no credibility whatsoever. I always remember someone having a dig at Hamilton by quoting something Lewis had said. Thing is, it was Kimi who had said it! On topic: I do believe that had Lewis Hamilton been a blond, blue-eyed Caucasian be would never have to face half the vitriol directed his way. As one person already pointed out Vettel can say "f**k" and have that glossed over by the media with a grin. Dear God if Lewis had done that! But the acronym HAM is vile and perverse as it gets. It is clear there is a massive double standard in how Hamilton is treated and it is not far-fetched to attribute this to him being black. (The irony is he is as white as he is black lol). Just check the internet for how many folks really feel about the guy, raw and uncensored, not polished turds that you find on the "civilized" forums.

Ah the usual suspects chime in in their numbers to render null and void the opinions of others. Some have no credibility whatsoever. I always remember someone having a dig at Hamilton by quoting something Lewis had said. Thing is, it was Kimi who had said it! On topic: I do believe that had Lewis Hamilton been a blond, blue-eyed Caucasian be would never have to face half the vitriol directed his way. As one person already pointed out Vettel can say "f**k" and have that glossed over by the media with a grin. Dear God if Lewis had done that! But the acronym HAM is vile and perverse as it gets. It is clear there is a massive double standard in how Hamilton is treated and it is not far-fetched to attribute this to him being black. (The irony is he is as white as he is black lol). Just check the internet for how many folks really feel about the guy, raw and uncensored, not polished turds that you find on the "civilized" forums.

I think that you are wrong in this post on more than just one count. I use shortcuts (Gro, Kamu, Seb, Ham), and never thought about it in any way than as it was meant, until you drew attention to it here. It may surprise you, but not all of us study or use fully updated and latest pages of Urban Dictionary of Internet Accronyms. Color of anyone's skin comes up only when some posters raise it, otherwise it is absolutely none-issue. Hamilton's public persona is of course something else, as it is with all people who are in spotlight; from Justin Beiber, to Tiger Woods. Hamilton is no exception.

England has generally been the most accepting of other cultures when compared to the rest of the worlds stance and history, and yet so many news stories even just yesterday about racist chants and such at football games. Racism never died, and it never will.

Lewis is as much white as he is black by the way, although that probably pisses off more racists that they be comin' and stealin' our wimin.

I'm talking about criticism he gets for his silly twitters about JB or telemetry or for Melbourne 09.These are connected to his actions and personality and not his race IMO.

England has generally been the most accepting of other cultures when compared to the rest of the worlds stance and history, and yet so many news stories even just yesterday about racist chants and such at football games. Racism never died, and it never will.

Lewis is as much white as he is black by the way, although that probably pisses off more racists that they be comin' and stealin' our wimin.

I disagree after my experience on vacation in Mexico where i encountered alot of your country men.

And been given a great gift in terms of a top team to drive in for the first 5 years of his career. That does not happen to a lot of drivers so he really has been privileged in that respect. Will be very interested to see what happens with Mercedes next year!

And been given a great gift in terms of a top team to drive in for the first 5 years of his career. That does not happen to a lot of drivers so he really has been privileged in that respect. Will be very interested to see what happens with Mercedes next year!

And been given a great gift in terms of a top team to drive in for the first 5 years of his career. That does not happen to a lot of drivers so he really has been privileged in that respect. Will be very interested to see what happens with Mercedes next year!

.............and Mclaren are privileged to have been gifted 11 pole positions by Lewis this year and plenty of podium finishes throughout the past 5 year. They are equally privileged to have earned his loyalty during that period.

.............and Mclaren are privileged to have been gifted 11 pole positions by Lewis this year and plenty of podium finishes throughout the past 5 year. They are equally privileged to have earned his loyalty during that period.

Don't be so quick to be defense. Of course he deserved it, but drivers do not always get to jump into a top team in F1 straight away that is a great gift and I love McLaren for giving him that opportunity and was merely pointing this out. Lewis has yes delivered in the years he has been with the team, yes McLaren did drop the ball sometimes as did Lewis.

Can you not say anything in these forums without someone trying to start some level of argument..

.............and Mclaren are privileged to have been gifted 11 pole positions by Lewis this year and plenty of podium finishes throughout the past 5 year. They are equally privileged to have earned his loyalty during that period.

I just realised that Lewis has been at McLaren one year longer than Kimi was. Still feels like yesterday he started in F1.

Don't be so quick to be defense. Of course he deserved it, but drivers do not always get to jump into a top team in F1 straight away that is a great gift and I love McLaren for giving him that opportunity and was merely pointing this out. Lewis has yes delivered in the years he has been with the team, yes McLaren did drop the ball sometimes as did Lewis.

Can you not say anything in these forums without someone trying to start some level of argument..

Sorry. Didnt mean to come across as hostile. True Lewis got an amazing opportunity but likewise had he not performed exceptionally from the age of 13 he would never had stepped a foot in an F1 car. MClaren would have dropped him as quickly as they signed him. Luck is as much about an opportunity that comes your way and as it is about what you do with it.

Regardless, its been a mutually beneficial relationship. We are not far away from 2013. I look forward to the first photos of Lewis in Mercedes gear, hopefully we will see something at start of january.

Don't be so quick to be defense. Of course he deserved it, but drivers do not always get to jump into a top team in F1 straight away that is a great gift and I love McLaren for giving him that opportunity and was merely pointing this out. Lewis has yes delivered in the years he has been with the team, yes McLaren did drop the ball sometimes as did Lewis.

Can you not say anything in these forums without someone trying to start some level of argument..

Apparently not.

I fully understood the point you made and agree. Shouldn't be forgotten that he was due to do a year as test driver and lucked in when JPM walked away.

Don't be so quick to be defense. Of course he deserved it, but drivers do not always get to jump into a top team in F1 straight away that is a great gift and I love McLaren for giving him that opportunity and was merely pointing this out. Lewis has yes delivered in the years he has been with the team, yes McLaren did drop the ball sometimes as did Lewis.

Can you not say anything in these forums without someone trying to start some level of argument..

When you use terms like "gift".... your painting a negative view. It's wrong so don't be surprised someone responds with a different view.

How do you think, Lewis can change the coloring of helmet in 2013. New team, a new challenge, new coloring helmet...

I would really like to see that. Even before the move, I was thinking that it was a shame that for all there's never ever been a driver like Lewis , he is a total one off, yet there's there's not really anything on that current helmet that a future driver could borrow a little element of to show him as being an inspiration. People would assume you were paying your own tribute to Ayrton Senna. I would like to see him take the opportunity to come up with something that more directly relates to him. Be a nice symbol of moving on to the next stage of his life too, moving away from defining himself by others to defining himself.

What are you talking about? Lewis went straight in with a top car...that hardly ever happens...it was a gift, the right word for it.

How can it be classed as a "gift" when he had proven himself through the lower formlae? He was hardly plucked off of the street was he? A company like McLaren wouldn't have offered him the seat if they hadn't already watched him for a considerable amount of time.

I would really like to see that. Even before the move, I was thinking that it was a shame that for all there's never ever been a driver like Lewis , he is a total one off, yet there's there's not really anything on that current helmet that a future driver could borrow a little element of to show him as being an inspiration. People would assume you were paying your own tribute to Ayrton Senna. I would like to see him take the opportunity to come up with something that more directly relates to him. Be a nice symbol of moving on to the next stage of his life too, moving away from defining himself by others to defining himself.

I would also like to see a new coloring such as black helmet. But most likely it will not change the color of the helmet. Probably only brand manufacturer, on Schuberth

You guys seem to forget that Hamilton's colour scheme is not only a tribute to Ayrton Senna but it's also the colours of the Grenada national flag, so he's not gonna change for something else.

Isn't that coincidental? I read somewhere that Anthony Hamilton actually picked Lewis' helmet colour so he could spot him easier when Lewis was karting and he just stuck with it ever since? I may be wrong though.........

Also, that’s the whole debate, should he ditch the Senna design and possibly create his own unique one?!!

When you use terms like "gift".... your painting a negative view. It's wrong so don't be surprised someone responds with a different view.

What are you talking about? Lewis went straight in with a top car...that hardly ever happens...it was a gift, the right word for it.

How can it be classed as a "gift" when he had proven himself through the lower formlae? He was hardly plucked off of the street was he? A company like McLaren wouldn't have offered him the seat if they hadn't already watched him for a considerable amount of time.

it's still a gift

And he still beat the defending 2-WDC in his rookie year.

I didn't say he made a mess of it or whatever...on the contrary but it's still something special to go straight into arguably the best f1 car on the grid...

Because he obviously was special (ie. was very fast, and had been groomed by the team for a decade)?

Look, I get what you are saying but fact is he earned it.

True but the idea of it being a gift really ought to be balanced with the fact he was Fernando's team mate, which easily could have led to the destruction of his career, had he failed to perform.

ok fair enough

I would have to disagree with that...he had nothing to lose...a rookie compared to a 2WDC? he would have been forgiven for underperforming ..

as it was he over performed from the first corner of the first race

You're seriously arguing over semantics?? Ok so I'll rephrase the wording. He was fortunate to go straight into a top team. As Clatter has already highlighted Lewis was due to do a year as test driver and lucked in when JPM walked away. So a fortunate circumstance to go into McLaren and yes he was deserving and talented (which I never argued being a Lewis fan!).. That was quite simply the point I was trying to make