<quoted text>Jesus had an empty tomb like it has said in the bible, with his clothes folded neatly. The romans existed, the christians being persecuted was mentioned."At the turn of the century, skeptics viewed the Bible as myth rather than real world history . For example, the Bible makes over 40 references to the great Hittite Empire.."The hittites actually existed just like in the bible.

Judas of the Galilean also known as Judas of the Sicari, that terrorist leader who was captured with the help of Saulus (your St Paul) and crucified for his crimes had an empty tomb because his terrorist buddies had spirited him away. Yes the Romans existed, the details of his trial and crucifixion are evidenced in the Roman archives. There is no evidence for the crucifixion of anyone names Jesus, no tax records either although there are tax records for his claimed mother and his claimed brother. The mother and brother of the terrorist Judas.

The precursors of the christian movement were lead by John the Baptiser, records are available in the Roman archives and the writings of Saulus (your St Paul). After Saulus was spirited away by Rome (for his protection from the fourth philosophy - Judass group) his small band of followers joined with Johns larger band.

Only later did they become known as christians when the name Jesus was coined as the Hebrew records were translated into Greek so avoid confusion with name Judas Iscariot

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Yes a lot of places and people mentioned in the babble actually existed, some reality often helps a good myth. That does not mean the story lines are accurate.

Creation is incorrect, the earth is proven to be billions of years older than the babble claims, factual evidence outweighs a bronze age guess every time.

Adam and Eve is incorrect. Research into mitochondrial DNA proves female progenitor of the human race existed over 75000 years before the male progenetor. So was Adam into necrophilia big time or did bronze age man not know the facts? I realise this is confusing for you but it simply means that of several strains of paternal DNA have died out.

How about the great flood? The arguments against it are numerous, I will only offer a few. Even today with modern technology and genetic manipulation of tree fibres it is impossible (IMPOSSIBLE) to construct a vessel of the dimensions specified from wood. Even the acclaimed ark that birthed in London during the Olympics had to use a steel frame. How did over 8 million species (more than 16 million animals) fit. More than because remember some went in by 7s and some in pairs? Where were the blue whales stored? Who searched the then unknown continents for animals? Who did the feeding? Where was the food stored for almost a year without refrigeration? Some of those species were carnivores so you are saying that less came out then went in? Who did the mucking out?

Then of course we are all supposed to have sprung up from the survivors, was it 8 people? All related? So you are saying we are all the result of inbreeding? Honey, you may be the result of incest but I can be pretty sure that I am not. Anyway, see the Adam and Eve objections.

OK, how about Sodom and Gomorrah? Where was the nova? Fusion is required to create one element from another. The creation of sodium from carbon needs the explosion of a second generation star.

Them there bronze age guys didnt know to much about facts did they?

The evidence of the Hittite empire does not confirm the babble, it confirms the Hittites existed, this we already knew, there are engraving in Egypt commemorating the battle of Kadesh dating from more than 3200 years ago and Egyptian records catalogue dealing with the Hittites long before this.

<quoted text>I did say "like".....Back then, people were married at, what, 12?Laws change, my dear. People grow and their knowledge grows... It's what we call profress.

Who said you said like?

Yes and that means what? That under the age of 18 you were liable to be stoned  as I said, children. Either live with what your good book tells you or dont but dont make it up to suite yourself.

Life span has increased my dear and so wisdom and knowledge (usually) increase with that extended life span. People (usually) become less likely to interpret bronze age stories using todays understanding and go off how life actually was in the bronze age.

That still makes not difference to the fact that you worship a god who condoned child murder, rape, slavery, mass murder and genocide

<quoted text>Yes he was an atheist (until his army was drowned in the Red Sea).He was every bit as stubborn and stupid as you are.

Pharaoh (whassup does the babble not give the name of this pivotal figure in history?) did not believe in the Abrahamic god. He was a god himself why would he want to be usurped by the god of one small group of slaves?

The Religion of the Egyptians went back far further than the old gods of the Hebrews, yes I said gods (multiple) In fact is speculated that the branch of the Hebrew faith that spawned christianity was born of sun worship.

There have been more than 3700 god beliefs throughout recorded history. Are all these believers past and present atheist because they dont believe the same god as you?

Methinks you need to look up the meaning of atheism before making yourself look stupid.

<quoted text>When the highly duped Christine adopted atheism as her religion, looking for anything outside of the truth (the bible) became a crutch and a neccesity to support her handicapped lying agenda.

What is it with fools who call the babble truth?

Honey you want to talk about me then you can expect me to respond.

I do not lie, and a christian claiming such is just lying for his god. Do you realise that christianity teaches satan to be the father of lies? Why are you praying to satan?

I can and offer truthful evidence to my views, not the unverified and unverifiable babble myths but evidence often from multiple sources.

My dearest lying christian, I have no belief in gods, I know and can prove mathematically that the god of KJV Revelations 19:6 cannot exist and yet my morality is way above your shameful lies in the name of your god.

Yes I am handicapped, I am dyslexic, do you have a problem with disability? You would be typical of your type if you do.

awww no way. Did MrChar give up? hmmmI guess he's never recollected a story from his own life that wasn't exaggerated a bit....As I said, ole chap, I don't know. But since I know that God is real, the Bible must be also.nighty-night

Did I give up? You admitted that the 'miraculous' parts of the bible are probably exaggerated.

The miracles are the parts which make it supernatural, spiritual, a testament to the fantastic power of your god and yet in your own words they are "exaggerated". Who gave up?

You gave up, just as my wife came up to bed(the new series of Haven has started!); and faced with a choice of sitting here at 01:00hrs in a battle of wits with someone who is so obviously unarmed or getting into bed with my wife...I'm afraid the latter option is far more attractive.

<quoted text>I'm talking more about the archaeology of the sites then of the supposed miracles that happened.I also don't believe you that "science has proven that the parting of The Red Sea could have happened." Show me the scientific research paper that demonstrates this, if you would my good man.

He's very proud of it, it's a WHOLE 110 pages!(I should have studied at his university!) and you can download it FOR A FEE from ProQest where it is categorised under 'biblical studies'.

He's also 'published'(see uploaded) it to Plosone the "peer reviewed open access journal" which appears to be a wiki with delusions of grandeur. The comments from his 'peers' can be found here. http://www.plosone.org/article/comments/info%...

<quoted text>Should I be surprised that one as butthurt as you has completely ignored a large chunk of the factors involved in US history?Or that you completely ignore that a vast majority of the nasty shitfaced liars inhabiting the US are (coincidentially enough!) religious conservatives?Especially Christians?

I'm so glad that you are permanently chained in Hell to be tormented and shamed eternally after your death. I'm also glad for you, as you seem to want it that way. Congratulations, you want to burn in Hell, and you're going to burn in your Hell.

Meanwhile, we are not going to let you continue to destroy the U.S. with your atheism.

<quoted text>The Deuteronomy you quoted is an account of the defeat of Sihon King of Heshbon.

I DO believe that we all have an Omnipotent, Omniscient and Benevolent God. Not just me.

It is an account, my dear. They fought "in the name of God". They thought they were doing just by killing & conquering. They were wrong.In Deuteronomy 3 is the defeat of Og King of Bashan. "6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every cityÂmen, women and children."

Again, it's an account, a historical recording of things that traspired at the time.

Didn't god command these, or similar "things that transpired at the time"?

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