originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
How on earth can Putin agree to a truce if he isn't behind the rebel violence? Hmm...

Quite...

I'll wait to see what happens on the ground before believing this latest truce - if anything, it is simply a tactic to buy time to relieve the rebels
near Donetsk and to consolidate/regroup. His latest plan for the east is for "autonomy", but also for deepening economic ties with Russia in that
region, effectively cleaving the country in two in all but name.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
How on earth can Putin agree to a truce if he isn't behind the rebel violence? Hmm...

Quite...

I'll wait to see what happens on the ground before believing this latest truce - if anything, it is simply a tactic to buy time to relieve the rebels
near Donetsk and to consolidate/regroup. His latest plan for the east is for "autonomy", but also for deepening economic ties with Russia in that
region, effectively cleaving the country in two in all but name.

Buy time and relieve the rebels? Are you not aware of what has been happening?

Which also shows that the east doesn't really want to become part of Russia as we have been hearing since this conflict started. Now if Putin agrees
to this he shows his hand that he was involved from the beginning.

Which again shows how the pro Russian crowd were wrong again about Russia's involvement.

Get ready for the "Ukraine is doing this because they are losing this conflict" crowd otherwise known as the pro Russians supporters to say see I
told you so.

Buy time and relieve the rebels? Are you not aware of what has been happening?

The only ones who aren't aware of this would be the pro Russian supporters on ATS, as they have put the blinders on and closed their eyes to
it.

Ukraine has surrendered Novorussia. They had no choice as they have been defeated on the battlefield since Russia began supplying weapons for the
past two weeks. Ukraine has suffered 28,000 dead and many more injured. Poroshenko will be lucky if his regime lasts a month.

a reply to: stumason
This is becoming more confusing. The terms that are being used by our glorious Western media not only vary, but stray from the truth. One minute it's
Russian Activists, then Russian Military, then Pro-Russian Rebels, then its separatists. If it is rebels or separatists, then Putin has no way of
negotiating on their behalf, yet here we have this phonecall between he and Poroshenko. I tend to think that it may be a ceasefire resulting from the
(accidental or not) Russian troops that one way or another ended up crossing over into part of Eastern Ukraine whilst on a patrol, which as we know
led to friction in the area, and that this phonecall is being used to assume blame for more.
I will say one thing though, after seeing what I have seen, I can't believe Poroshenko is seen as innocent. So many innocent lives have been lost on
his orders,including the lives of children. Even Ukrainian soldiers have abandoned when they realised that the so called Pro-Russian Separatists were
not firing on Ukrainian soil at all except to protect their Ukrainian homes.
So little of the truth has filtered through to our screens and papers, its quite immoral.
As always, thanks to the OP

edit on 392014 by TheRisenPeople because: missed a bit and to thank the OP

Ukraine has surrendered Novorussia. They had no choice as they have been defeated on the battlefield since Russia began supplying weapons for the past
two weeks. Ukraine has suffered 28,000 dead and many more injured. Poroshenko will be lucky if his regime lasts a month.

And exactly where have you been as Russia has been supplying arms since the beginning of this conflict?

So you consider being pushed out of your strongholds to where you have to retreat to your last stand and you consider that winning the
fight...interesting.

You do understand his regime as you call it has already lasted longer than that so your wrong there.

Me thinks you're making stuff up now. Not even pro-Russian sources have been claiming this - most independent casualty counts, such as from HRW for
example, estimate the figures to be around 2,600, so I think you've just added an extra zero for some reason.

"I guess for the Ukrainian military this gives them a chance to regroup after recent military setbacks, and bide time to see what NATO and the EU
delivers over the next few days in terms of deterrents to Russia for further intervention. In the past we have seen Moscow looking to talk/sending
peace signals just before important EU/G7/NATO meetings, and presumably to weaken momentum towards sanctions/countermeasures."

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