And they charge a lot for the privilege, $99 up front and an extra monthly charge over a normal DVR. (A normal DVR has no up front cost). Personally i would not pay that much as I like the exercise for my finger skipping the comerciales.

And they charge a lot for the privilege, $99 up front and an extra monthly charge over a normal DVR. (A normal DVR has no up front cost). Personally i would not pay that much as I like the exercise for my finger skipping the comerciales.

So they don't get sued out of existence as happened to ReplayTV?
Next day availability only would be fine with me as I rarely watch shows the same day they are recorded anyway.

This feature makes sense to me. If the next day viewing isn't counted in the ratings (are DVRs even counted?), then one shouldn't have to be subjected to commercials that are out of date. Commercials were meant to be seen the day they air. The next day, they have "expired".

I would be all for TiVo creating an automatic commercial skip feature and would be fine with the next day limitation. However, I don't think it will ever happen because they wouldn't want to upset (possible future) advertisers. Plus I don't think CableLabs would like it either.

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Last edited by steve614; 05-11-2012 at 06:45 PM.
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This feature makes sense to me. If the next day viewing isn't counted in the ratings (are DVRs even counted?), then one shouldn't have to be subjected to commercials that are out of date.

I don't have a citation at the moment, but nowadays I believe they count viewing up to a week later.. Maybe that is a "separate" ratings (there definitely are e.g. overnight ratings and weekly ratings, that can and do differ).

Well, another reason for the restrictions could be quite simple - it isn't automated! Someone at Dish is probably cuing up and marking commercials and sending the data to the box (hence the extra fees). It would take around a day for a few people to do this for the prime-time shows on all the networks.

if it was automated, there's a good chance the networks would simply find ways to trick it so it would ad-skip through important parts, not ad skip the ads, etc., enough to make it a useless feature.

And networks only because they are "must carry" stations and don't get paid for it. The other cable channels, Dish pays for the privilege of offering them, and if this was happening, those channels will probably up the rate Dish has to pay out. But since Dish is obligated to carry the networks (in exchange, the networks are paid nothing for carriage), they're free to do whatever they want.

This feature makes sense to me. If the next day viewing isn't counted in the ratings (are DVRs even counted?), then one shouldn't have to be subjected to commercials that are out of date. Commercials were meant to be seen the day they air. The next day, they have "expired".

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Next day viewing is counted in the ratings. They count all the way out to a week later for DVR viewing. They have Live+same day, Live+1 day out to Live+7 day viewing that is counted in the final ratings. Although it takes a few weeks until the final ratings with DVR usage gets released.

Network feeds over the satellite that aren't really the local affiliates, but just the network stuff which is sent to them?

Uplinks of feeds from the locals, with the local news and weather and commercials and everything, sent back down from the satellite?

Local programming is uplinked to satellite (not necessarily the same satellite as the "cable" channels). In a few markets the "local" programming received via satellite may be LA or NYC network affiliate programming. If you take a satellite receiver programmed for one location to a new location you'll receive the locals for the original location.

Local programming is uplinked to satellite (not necessarily the same satellite as the "cable" channels). In a few markets the "local" programming received via satellite may be LA or NYC network affiliate programming. If you take a satellite receiver programmed for one location to a new location you'll receive the locals for the original location.

So in other words it comes in to the satellite dish on your house from the same tranmitting satellite(s) as the "satellite" channels?

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You're confusing 'locals' with over the air. All of the companies provide local channels, and yes they really are the local affiliates.

No, if they aren't available over the air in my area, then they aren't "local".

That doesn't mean I have to get them over the air. In our case we get them via analog cable (at least for now, all though I'm sure TWC is working on how to break as much of my receiving equipment as possible to try to force us to rent something from them).

I don't recall offering an opinion in either direction above. Having said that, I strongly suspect they're not paying. Not yet, anyway. DISH generally shoots first, asks questions later. And frequently litigates. However, given the fine print they seem to be acknowledging some programming will be excluded -- suggesting they're open to negotiation and/or will not index certain content based on certain factors. I have a recording of CEO Clayton's intro of the service, but haven't listened to it in its entirety - but I assume he doesn't mention partnerships or industry support as we would have read about them.

Im pretty sure they can adjust the power and geographical attributes of a particular beam from the satellite, spot beam.

Yes, aside from NYC, LA, and maybe Chicago, all locals are on spot beam on Dish. This actually results in some of the carriage disputes Dish has with local stations as the spot beam footprint can me much smaller than the traditional OTA range of the station. The local stations do not like losing those potential eyes.

I don't recall offering an opinion in either direction above. Having said that, I strongly suspect they're not paying. Not yet, anyway. DISH generally shoots first, asks questions later. And frequently litigates. However, given the fine print they seem to be acknowledging some programming will be excluded -- suggesting they're open to negotiation and/or will not index certain content based on certain factors. I have a recording of CEO Clayton's intro of the service, but haven't listened to it in its entirety - but I assume he doesn't mention partnerships or industry support as we would have read about them.

I think it's highly unlikely that dish did this without some sort of negotiation with the networks or without the contractual language in their carriage contract. And if the networks are on board, they must feel they are being adequately compensated for the service, as with on-demand and Hulu.