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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292019#Comment_292019Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:34 -0500RenThingSo, AGoT fans, what do you think? I think it's pretty true to the book thus far and the things that don't jive with the pictures in my head are mostly forgivable.

The one thing I have most of an issue with was the Kal Drogo/Daenyrs wedding night scene. If I remember correctly from the book he's kinder and in some ways gentler with her considering her vast change of circumstances whereas the HBO version made it pretty much a rape. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292020#Comment_292020Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:26:47 -0500PaladineSo far, I like the show, but of course I can bring book knowledge to the table, and I wonder what will get cut. They seem to be committed to a truthful adaptation, and I wonder how feasible that is. I mean, in the books, the first half almost is mostly setting up conflicts, but I can plow through the chapters in short time; having to wait a week for another episode that sets up the pieces - I hope the audience sticks to the show.

So far, I'm unsurprisingly impressed with Peter Dinklage and surprisingly impressed with the actresses who play Dany and Arya. But really, almost all of the cast is pretty good. These were just the standouts so far, to me. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292023#Comment_292023Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:48:26 -0500munin218Game of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292024#Comment_292024
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292024#Comment_292024Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:52:06 -0500RenThingWell, they cruised through nine chapters in a single sitting without it feeling like it really lost anything, so the ambitiousness of doing the first book in eight episodes doesn't seem too impossible. They've already said they plan on doing the second book in two parts. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292025#Comment_292025Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:58:34 -0500RenThingThere was a scene flashed with her in the middle of a tent, blood on her face, on top of him, surrounded by people. Maybe they're going a more "badass warrior queen" route? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=292062#Comment_292062Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:07:01 -0500James PuckettBut other Drogo's chest-steaks Game of Thrones is even more dull than Showtime's The Borgias. I can see how the story would work well as a book, where one gets to fill in the intrigue and events with one's own imagination. But this series has a generic visual presentation that could be lifted from the covers of any second-rate fantasy series. It has no style and no dynamism. And that bland world is crafted in great detail. With nothing left to the imagination the plot just become a boring stream of exposition. It reminds me of what Brett Ratner did with the Watchmen movie: very expensive fan service.

Back to the cinematography; ugh! How did the network that gave us The Sopranos sink so low? It's just so stiff and obvious. Even with the money they saved by not hiring good concepts artists those sets and costumes still cost a fortune. So how about working some epic shots into this epic series? I can still remember a single pan of a wine rack in a bad episode of The Sopranos that had more art and grace than this entire series.

I'll give Game of Thrones one more episode before I write it off and try catching up on The Killing. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293130#Comment_293130Wed, 04 May 2011 04:16:05 -0500textureI am enjoying the hell out of this series. Very true to the books in all the ways that matter. I'm a recent convert so my enthusiasm is undimmed. Oh man I cannot WAIT for the second season. Battle central! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293133#Comment_293133Wed, 04 May 2011 04:47:16 -0500FauxhammerGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293158#Comment_293158
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293158#Comment_293158Wed, 04 May 2011 07:42:30 -0500Doctor PocketsI've read the first book, so I have a decent idea of what's going on and who's who. My wife hasn't, and has a more difficult time keeping up. The biggest problem is the names - with so many characters, many of whom have similar sounding names, or are only referenced by last names (which many share), having the made-up names makes it hard to know who's being talked about. And, as an American in the South, these things are made even harder when everyone has an English accent ;). ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293167#Comment_293167Wed, 04 May 2011 08:33:44 -0500RenThingGet yourself to see "Death at a Funeral" (the British version, not the American one) and "In Brouge" for more Dinklage films.

@Doctor Pockets

My wife and I are hosting viewings of two episodes at a time and about half the people there haven't read the books and they seem to be doing ok. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293184#Comment_293184Wed, 04 May 2011 10:15:07 -0500James Puckett
Keep track of the characters isn't really a problem. The dialogue seems to have been written to wrap names with enough context to make it comprehensible. But the accents are a problem, because half these actors cannot enunciate in the accent they're using so the speech gets murky. It doesn't help that the sound mix makes environmental noises to prominent for those of us who don't have a surround sound system. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293187#Comment_293187Wed, 04 May 2011 10:30:48 -0500FoamheadHonestly hadn't even heard of the books prior to the series hype but nothing too arduous so far. The only problem I can envisage, with having so many characters & plot-lines, is doing them all justice over the course of the whole run. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293197#Comment_293197Wed, 04 May 2011 11:25:26 -0500RenThingWell, without getting spoilery, the books get a touch more complex in their plot threads so hopefully they're able to keep those balls in the air, especially if they're going to keep trying to be as true to the books as possible. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293218#Comment_293218Wed, 04 May 2011 13:36:00 -0500Rootfireember
-just wishing I had HBO so I could watch it beyond the first ep I saw on vacation. oi. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293227#Comment_293227Wed, 04 May 2011 14:12:13 -0500RenThingYou can apparently sign up for just HBO on their website now if you're that into the series/books, no need to have cable. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293238#Comment_293238Wed, 04 May 2011 15:07:39 -0500RootfireemberGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293245#Comment_293245
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293245#Comment_293245Wed, 04 May 2011 15:37:36 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293250#Comment_293250
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293250#Comment_293250Wed, 04 May 2011 15:49:44 -0500Rootfireember
Like netflix. For tv channels. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293284#Comment_293284Wed, 04 May 2011 20:43:20 -0500James PuckettGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293813#Comment_293813
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293813#Comment_293813Mon, 09 May 2011 07:38:29 -0500LabyrinthineI've heard the theory that they changed Dany's scene in order to keep the squick level constant after they aged her up? Like, in the book it was as kind as it could be in the context, but the question of meaningful consent that an unwilling political marriage arranged by her brother implies was kind of foregrounded by the fact that she was thirteen. Maybe now that she's old enough to THEORETICALLY be able to consent to sex they needed to put more emphasis on it, otherwise it would have seemed naively non-terrible given the circumstances.

Personally I didn't like it, though. And they really didn't spend enough time on anything BUT the sex, so the transition from "kind of rapey" to "lovey dovey" happened WAY too fast. In the book you can see her starting to fit in to the society in other ways as well.

Another interesting consequence of aging up the child characters is that Viserys no longer seems to be that much older than Danaerys - he looks about as old as they said he was in the book, while she is older. I think that makes the scene with the whip much less satisfying.

In conclusion, I love the hell out of Arya and Tyrion and can't wait to see them being awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293820#Comment_293820Mon, 09 May 2011 09:02:30 -0500Jack CrowderInspired by this conversation's direction: ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293839#Comment_293839Mon, 09 May 2011 10:21:46 -0500government spyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293969#Comment_293969
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293969#Comment_293969Mon, 09 May 2011 23:37:14 -0500cardoIt will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Then I'll read the books. Honest. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=293975#Comment_293975Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:00 -0500Rootfireember
This is what I get for typing in my sleep.Anyone know when GoT tv serries will end up on iTunes?And have they designed the dragons? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294087#Comment_294087Tue, 10 May 2011 20:55:34 -0500mercurialblondeGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294090#Comment_294090
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294090#Comment_294090Tue, 10 May 2011 21:06:33 -0500Jack CrowderGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294093#Comment_294093
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294093#Comment_294093Tue, 10 May 2011 21:20:41 -0500Rootfireember
Haven't read the dexter books past the first one. Would you recommend them? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294096#Comment_294096Tue, 10 May 2011 21:55:48 -0500James PuckettGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294098#Comment_294098
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294098#Comment_294098Tue, 10 May 2011 22:36:41 -0500mercurialblondeGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294107#Comment_294107
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294107#Comment_294107Wed, 11 May 2011 00:46:13 -0500LabyrinthineGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294148#Comment_294148
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294148#Comment_294148Wed, 11 May 2011 09:22:29 -0500RenThingAgreed. There's less sex in later books, but the first one had a fair amount of shagging in it.

Did anyone else feel like the scene between Vaesyrs and the servant girl was The Most Awkward Sex Ever(tm)? I actually felt pretty bad for her character. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294152#Comment_294152Wed, 11 May 2011 09:46:35 -0500GreasemonkeyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294160#Comment_294160
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294160#Comment_294160Wed, 11 May 2011 10:58:32 -0500FlabyoA 'Nerfnow' comic on the Lannisters... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294182#Comment_294182Wed, 11 May 2011 14:29:19 -0500Cat Vincent
I'd strongly recommend you NOT read any of the Dexter books past the second one. Concept driven into ground, the one interesting twist

that Rita's kids are budding serial killers that Dexter trains

is over-played and a truly ludicrous one...

(where for a whole book Dexter's Dark Passenger is, literally, a manifestation of the dark god Ba'al) EDIT: Sorry, dark god is Moloch. Either way - utter wank.

...retconned in a single paragraph, in a book that's actually worse than the preceding one. The show is pretty bad later on but actually better than the books. yes, even the Angle/LaGuerta lovesick bollocks.

Back to Game of Thrones... thoroughly enjoying the show, even though I've not read the books & normally get hives from high fantasy sagas. Looking forward to the characters & politicking getting more complex. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294188#Comment_294188Wed, 11 May 2011 14:53:49 -0500city creedThe first few minutes of ep 1 have proved to be something of a fantastic tease so far though. Needs more supernatural horrors stalking the woods, less cringey exploitation in the sex scenes. More hacked up bodies laid out in eerie sigils in the snow, fewer utterly mystifying establishing shots of the 'horde'.

Certainly lining up a lot of characters to kill each other anyways. My money is on that Thorn guy, he seemed tough. Nah, just kidding, he's sooo dead.If they just released a pair of characters into the forest each week and had them being hunted down and butchered by malevolent spirit entities then I'd probably be slightly happier at this stage, on balance. The potential is definitely there though. Dinklage/Tyrion is just bloody brilliant. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294190#Comment_294190Wed, 11 May 2011 15:10:26 -0500rough nightGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294262#Comment_294262
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294262#Comment_294262Thu, 12 May 2011 07:00:00 -0500texture
We have a regular group of five or six now, watching it on a projector with popcorn on Monday nights.

I very much look forward to joining this clandestine group come September. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294280#Comment_294280Thu, 12 May 2011 08:06:38 -0500James Puckett
I don't know about oversexed... it's pretty analogous to the books.

It wouldn't be a problem if the sex was handled well. But sex on TV has become bland, artless, and stiff. It's usually kind of awkward and makes me wish I wasn't watching it. It didn't used to be this way. Maybe I was just permanently scarred when I watch that awful semi-hardcore HBO primetime series that featured the hideously disturbing, and fully functional, prosthetic penis. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294288#Comment_294288Thu, 12 May 2011 09:25:56 -0500Yskaya
stealth-mode deactivated

@rough night: There's a nice interview over at art of the title with the Creative Director of Elastic on the process of creating the intro. :)

stealth-mode activated ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294297#Comment_294297Thu, 12 May 2011 11:38:48 -0500rough nightGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294526#Comment_294526
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294660#Comment_294660Sun, 15 May 2011 11:13:00 -0500tcatsninfanI'm about 30 pages into the first book and it's going well. Something was weird about the prologue that turned me off...I can't quite put my finger on it but it was as if he was trying to use as few words as possible to describe things, and consequently the sentences seemed jammed together.

The one thing to be aware of is that there are a lot of characters to keep track of. It's not as bad as reading Russian literature, but it's something to keep in mind if you're thinking about reading the books. The best thing to do is use a big notecard as a bookmark and write down the character names, specifically the ones that the chapters are named after.

tl;dr I started reading the first book and it's been great so far. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294699#Comment_294699Sun, 15 May 2011 21:25:42 -0500RenThingI thought the fight choreography for the fights for tonight wasn't too bad, especially considering that, according to the making of, a number of the actors had never used a sword before. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294703#Comment_294703Sun, 15 May 2011 21:50:23 -0500mercurialblondeAnd I agree the sword fights were really well done compared to standard fair. For my tastes this might be my favorite HBO show since Deadwood. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294822#Comment_294822Mon, 16 May 2011 21:30:58 -0500J.BrennanAs for the episode: It was my favorite thus far. Lysa and little Robert were creepy as fucking hell. The Mountain and the Hound was epic. And I liked the off-book scene of Renly and Loras, early hints at Renly's future ambitions. Though were the book was mostly subtle about their relationship the show was like a sledgehammer. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294850#Comment_294850Tue, 17 May 2011 07:51:47 -0500Tom Akelthis was by far the best episode, though both sex scenes were not in the book and unnecessary, as was the general reveal of Renly's relationship with Loras, which shouldn't have been shown until mid-way through season 2. ]]>
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I think that's pretty much it. I think Breane might also make some observations that the two of them are very close (as she was in love with Renly if I'm not mistaken) but there weren't any love scenes between Renly and Loras in the books. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294886#Comment_294886Tue, 17 May 2011 13:53:02 -0500RenThingI wonder if that was intentional or if it was intended to be the rainbow as revealed by the prisms used by the followers of the new gods. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=294892#Comment_294892Tue, 17 May 2011 14:51:59 -0500DarkestI only just caught up with the series today. Being about half way through Feast for Crows it's interesting to see what they added in and inserted earlier such as the stuff about the Greyjoys, although I could be mis-remembering. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=295523#Comment_295523Mon, 23 May 2011 11:18:12 -0500RenThingI really don't get the point of the scene with Theon and Ros on the road where he pays her to flash him. As far as pushing the plot that

war is probably on its way and that's why she's leaving Winterfell because she'll have fewer patrons when it does come

it didn't do much, for her character, Theon's, or for advancing the plot.

I thought the crowing was particularly well done and I think that my complaints/concerns about the actress they got to play Dany may have been misplaced, she's owning the role just fine IMO. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=295526#Comment_295526Mon, 23 May 2011 11:26:27 -0500James Puckett
I really don't get the point of the scene with Theon and Ros on the road where he pays her to flash him.

I'm assuming that they have to keep developing him as a minor character for later developments. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=295531#Comment_295531Mon, 23 May 2011 11:43:34 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=295533#Comment_295533
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=295533#Comment_295533Mon, 23 May 2011 11:54:56 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297633#Comment_297633
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297633#Comment_297633Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:35:54 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297773#Comment_297773
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297773#Comment_297773Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:58:13 -0500government spy
All My Lord of the Rings, like some sort of testosterone filled medieval fantasy soap opera.

Not that I mean that as a dig. But I was watching it the other night, and my girlfriend walked in, and asked if I was "watching my stories" and I started to explain what was going on, and man, I sounded like a housewife talking about As the World Turns or something.

And then I find myself surprisingly emotionally invested in the show, I mean I'm actually angry what's happening to the Starks! So yeah. This is my era of watching soap operas. This, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy and Walking Dead are my new Man Soaps. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297801#Comment_297801Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:01:59 -0500Aurora Borealis
and Hodor's Hodor!

I'm more than a little eager to hear the non-reader reactions to tonight's episode.

Hardly surprising. Did anyone think the inbred thirteen-year-old would make a smart decision and settle a huge conflict that the entire series is building up to? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297901#Comment_297901Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:02:47 -0500RenThing
Rome. Lots of big cock shots in that one.

Huh, then I must've missed it in those HBO series and miniseries. I mean, I've been watching TrueBlood for three seasons and there hasn't been one flash of cock.

Hardly surprising. Did anyone think the inbred thirteen-year-old would make a smart decision and settle a huge conflict that the entire series is building up to?

I know. I've read the books and it still pisses me off. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=297906#Comment_297906Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:53:07 -0500James Puckett
Huh, then I must've missed it in those HBO series and miniseries.

Drew this at work during lunch. Enjoying the show very much, never read the book. Guy playing Tyrion is amazing. If he doesnt get minimum emmy nod jury is rigged.

And the video before this is amazing, watched the entire 10 minutes. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298577#Comment_298577Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:16:13 -0500Tom Akelbut the good news about dance with dragons is that only half the characters will be in it, since it takes place at the same time as feast, so at least we know half the characters (probably) won't die at least until the 6th book ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298592#Comment_298592Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:49:11 -0500FauxhammerGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298607#Comment_298607
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298607#Comment_298607Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:54:45 -0500Berserker
...but only because I've found myself 'involved' in the plight of the Starks.

You poor bastard, your suffering has only just begun. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298612#Comment_298612Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:18:51 -0500government spyThat being said, I'll be pissed if the actor playing the Imp doesn't receive some sort of award/recognition. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298619#Comment_298619Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:46:38 -0500ArgosAnyway, as people who have not read the books prior to the show, my guy and I are really liking the show. As mentioned earlier, it is definitely a soap opera, but the characters are all so good. Only thing that bugs me about the show is that Cercei only has one facial expression, but at least she rocks it.

As far as Ned dying, I knew it was coming at some point, because I'd been told by all my friends who read it that Martin is merciless with his characters, I just didn't suspect him to be the first to die. Damn. Funny enough, I got attached to him more than I did to the Starks as a whole, so I kind don't really care what happens now that he's gone. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298629#Comment_298629Sun, 19 Jun 2011 13:47:17 -0500rough night
Peter Dinklage deserving an award; he's doing a hell of a job. My hopes are still up that Tyrion will live through the series. I guess we'll see more tonight. Good luck, all. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298643#Comment_298643Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:20:47 -0500agentarsenicThey can all die save Ayla and John Snow for all I care. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298651#Comment_298651Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:50:54 -0500GreasemonkeyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298669#Comment_298669
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298669#Comment_298669Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:28:38 -0500Tom AkelGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298689#Comment_298689
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298689#Comment_298689Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:53:28 -0500agentarsenic
DRAGONS. GOING BEYOND THE WALL. JAMIE LANNISTER IN CHAINS GETTING HIT WITH ROCKS. ARYA RIDING NORTH WITH ROBERT'S BASTARD SON. DRAGONS.

Yup. Audible is set to read at 2x speed so's I can hurry up through the next three books before the second season starts...although the show is good enough I sort of want to watch it first. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298708#Comment_298708Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:29:35 -0500JECole
...but only because I've found myself 'involved' in the plight of the Starks.

I'm sad to hear that you need to side with the Lannister's to really enjoy the show, but I guess they are the bastards you love to hate. And at least Tyrion is entertaining to watch (I want him to be in the dark about the Queen and Jaime's plots because I like him, but I'm not naive enough to actually think that's the case).

Now I'm torn as to whether I should buy the books and read them or just wait for the series to unfold... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298967#Comment_298967Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:56:28 -0500ArgosGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298978#Comment_298978
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298978#Comment_298978Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:33:36 -0500SBarrettPoint of fact, I wouldn't get too attached to anyone. I half expect the world to just explode and kill everyone we know by the time Martin is finished. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=298990#Comment_298990Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:40:26 -0500ColbyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299008#Comment_299008
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299008#Comment_299008Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:41:30 -0500LabyrinthineGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299014#Comment_299014
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299014#Comment_299014Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:51:21 -0500Jon Wake
The fun is getting attached to the characters, and never knowing if this is the battle that kills them. We haven't even seen a solid 50% of the major characters. Melisandre, Craster, Jaqen, all of them are awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299074#Comment_299074Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:02:01 -0500RenThingHonestly, I'm waiting for the Viper. Considering how spot on the casting has been for pretty much everyone, even down to Poncypants McKnight of the Vale who Brom dropped out the Moon Door, I'm excited to see who they pick for the role.

Of course, they've already announced that Book Two will be split into two seasons and we can probably expect them to follow that same format for the other books as well. However, I wonder how they're going to handle when we don't see particular main characters for entire books (like Tyrion and the last book); are they going to write TV-only scenes or are they going to give those particular actors a break? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299083#Comment_299083Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:00:36 -0500Argos
So this is cute ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299106#Comment_299106Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:18:45 -0500Richard Pace~R ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299116#Comment_299116Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:32:12 -0500ColbyWell book four and five will happen simultaneously. So I suppose in that respect that they could just flip flop from Crows to Dragons. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299169#Comment_299169Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:45:36 -0500JEColeGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299178#Comment_299178
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299178#Comment_299178Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:17:10 -0500RenThingGood point, so maybe three seasons out of that one. So, if we go on that sort of timeline GRRM has about seven years to finish the final book.

Seven years should be enough, right? Right?

So, I want to start a discussion about the things Dany had wrapped around her at the end but I'm concerned about spoilers for the people who haven't seen it yet; should I give it a few more days to let them watch the last episode or just go for it? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299183#Comment_299183Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:55:16 -0500rough night
I've been waiting for those dragons to hatch since the first time the eggs showed up on screen, and they were beautiful; the perfect ending to the season. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299190#Comment_299190Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:22:52 -0500RenThingYeah, was just trying to avoid having a series of comments with nothing but hide tags. *grin*

I know, I'd been curious to see how they were going to be doing them and, honestly, I'm still nervous. While special effects are getting better, CGI is still one of those things that it's either done very, very well or it's not. For me, when it's not I just can't get past it and considering how very involved the dragons are going to be in the next season I was concerned for how much I was going to like it.

That being said I thought the end of the episode was a very nice reveal and well done.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299217#Comment_299217Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:41:39 -0500Corey Waits
I must admit that I knew Dany was going to come out of the fire unscathed (obviously, it had already been demonstrated to us previously), but I hadn't even considered that the dragons might hatch in the fire. Really awesome stuff.

Now we just have to wait for the dragons to eat and or burn the Lannisters alive and Dany can take the throne... Right? RIGHT?! Don't spoil it for me, I'm just joking because apparently nothing goes well for anyone except the Lannistards (which is meant to be Lannisters + Bastards, not another term that is offensive to many.) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299222#Comment_299222Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:20:57 -0500agentarsenicSo far Tyrion is still being awesome. All he wants to do is travel around, drink, whore, and read but his damned family won't let him be. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299230#Comment_299230Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:07:58 -0500FoamheadGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299231#Comment_299231
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299231#Comment_299231Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:16:32 -0500Labyrinthine
dragons is that they're Chekhov's Gun for when the

Does anyone have any casting opinions about characters we haven't seen yet? (Keeping it vague outside of the hide tags, of course.) Brienne's going to be tough to cast given the general Ladies In Film environment... I think they should recruit Adele. You know, the singer? She's probably as close as we're going to get to the right sort of build. And Noomi Rapace for Asha Greyjoy. It would be so amazing *__*

I heard somebody wishing they'd cast Christopher Ecclestone as Stannis Baratheon, but I think he'd be better as Davos Seaworth myself. I may be biased by my epic starry-eyes for the Onion Knight though xD ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299233#Comment_299233Fri, 24 Jun 2011 01:00:22 -0500RenThingThat's been my theory for a while. I've got some theories about how that ends up happening, namely

that either Stannis or Mance blows the giant's horn and it has the effect that the wildlings believe, that it will topple the Wall. With the Wall gone, there's nothing stopping the White Walkers from heading south when winter comes and so the dragons will be needed.

She'd be good but I've always imagined Asha more buff. Maybe someone like Claudia Black when she was on Farscape.

Eh, I'm not certain I could see Christopher Ecclestone in either of those roles, though more Davos than Stannis. I'd keep imagining him to break out with that huge grin he had on Doctor Who and I don't think I could get into him being the very stern and dour Stannis. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299244#Comment_299244Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:13:55 -0500LabyrinthineI'm not actually up to the bit with the

horn

but I'm sure I'll get what you're talking about when I get there :P ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299257#Comment_299257Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:04:28 -0500city creedI've also gone down the audiobook route out of impatience, but the narrator of mine (not sure who) has settled on a cartoonish Welsh accent for Tyrion. I don't think I'm going to make the distance.

I can probably satisfy my curiosity about what happens next from this thread alone, at least until september. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299265#Comment_299265Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:19:22 -0500agentarsenic
My theory on Jon Snow is that he is Raegor and Ilia's rapechild, and what Ned swore to her is to never reveal Jon's lineage. He doesn't seem like the cheating type, an his honor would keep the lie for years. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299272#Comment_299272Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:18:30 -0500DC

If it's correct, it explains his warg powers (wolf blood) and, I suspect,

[SPOILER FOR STORM OF SWORDS AHEAD]

he'll be the prophesied warrior that can activate the fire power of Stanis' sword (dragon blood).

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299275#Comment_299275Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:31:49 -0500ArtenshiurGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299292#Comment_299292
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299292#Comment_299292Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:02:55 -0500Jon Wake ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299300#Comment_299300Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:45:01 -0500RenThingI agree with that theory, the other theory regarding the same pair you suggested was that it wasn't rape but love but that Ned did what he did for the same reasons. Another aspect to that is the idea of three heads of the dragon (when the Targeryans originally conquered Westeros it was three siblings on three dragons). I think the other head of the "dragon" (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS REGARDING THE BOOKS)

the first two being Dany and Jon, is Tyrion. Evidence? Rhaegal was a big womanizer, sleeping with a ton of women, and he wasn't too picky about whether or not they were married. It's mentioned in the stories, though not portrayed in the movie, that Tyrion has eyes of two different colors, one the green/gold of the Lannisters, and the other darker, almost black, (if I'm remembering correctly) which was a trait of the Targeryans. The theory is that Rhaegal slept with Tyrion's mother and that Tywin killed her after the child was born. If that's true, then Jon, Tyrion, and Dany would be the three heads of the Dragon.

Targaryen's eyes are purple so it doesn't fit with Tyrion's eyes but I can see where you're going. Even so, there's still one Targaryen alive besides Dany, the Maester of Castle Black. I'm sure he won't be important because he's very old but he's still a dragon and was offered the crown a couple of times which he refused.If I remember correctly, the mystical sword will activate with the prophesied warrior. I first thought of Jon but I also lean to Dany. And with that, do you think there may be a third mystical object to be found? Right now there's Lightbringer and Horn of Winter.And the houses, 2 of them have their own symbols as pets, maybe there's a third showing up?

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299315#Comment_299315Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:27:05 -0500White shadowI don't think I can wait a year for the next series :(.

One of the things that took me by surprise in the HBO series was Renly and Loras. I was totally naive when it came to their relationship but going over the books, it was hinted at and I just completely missed it. I thought that was a nice touch.

My favourite characters of the series have been Varys and Littlefinger so far. Their banter is the most entertaining. And of course Jon Snow, I can't wait to see him come into his own.

Anybody else preordered Dance for Dragons? Counting down the days. :D. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299356#Comment_299356Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:50:30 -0500RenThingMOAR SPOI-oh fuck it, if you highlight the text you do it at your own damn risk.

I could've been wrong about the color of Tyrion's other eye but I remember it being the possible link between him and Rhaegal.

Re: Lyanna - It isn't necessarily rape, or at least someone way back up thread suggested, but it is possible that Lyanna willingly went with Rhaegal and the spin on the situation by Robert was kidnap and rape. I have to reread the first book over the next week anyway so I guess I'll find out.

Since you brought up Aegon/Egg/Maester of Castle Black I will assume you haven't read A Feast for Crows yet and shut up.

@White shadow

My wife has had that fucking book pre-ordered for years since Amazon first put up the pre-order link. The release date has been updated a few times and every time that date passed before she cursed in ways even I won't repeat. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299362#Comment_299362Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:37:52 -0500DC
you're right, I forgot to mention I haven't read Feast for Crows. In a month or so I'll start with it.I went to Wiki of Ice and Fire and it says there Tyrion has one black and one green eye but his hair is white-blonde (Targaryen?).

"the spin on the situation by Robert was kidnap and rape."I can't see Lyanna letting Rhaegar do that and Robert didn't influence the outcome. Lyanna's "kidnapping" was merely the first event that set loose a chain of events that culminated with the execution of a lot of nobles on Aery's crazy orders and subsequent rebellion of Stark's and Baratheon's houses. In the meantime I thought Fire=Lightbringer and Ice=Horn of Winter? Are these the symbols of all this saga? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299378#Comment_299378Sat, 25 Jun 2011 02:52:12 -0500Labyrinthine
childbirth if the Jon theory is correct I don't see how he could fail to find out.

I'm now listening to the ~prequelly~ audiobooks - the ones with Maester Aemon's brothers in them. Those are pretty good too, I wonder if any of that stuff will get incorporated into the TV shows. Or they could get a spinoff years down the track so as to milk the franchise moar :P ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299471#Comment_299471Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:14:48 -0500Neil Ofsteel
I was also inspired to make this bit of nonsense: ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299480#Comment_299480Sun, 26 Jun 2011 01:00:06 -0500Paladine

I am pretty sure that it wasn't rape. Rather, Rhaegar was a princely prince, handsome, smart and charming - and he needed a third child for his prophecy to work, but his wife was too weak and would die in childbed. Then, Lyanna donned armor and avenged Howland Reed at the tournament in Harrenhal as the mystery knight (we know she was a good rider and fierce and a little like Arya). Rhaegar is dispatched to find the knight, and he finds her. He keeps her secret but is so enamored by her that he crowns her the Queen of Beauty at the tournament, and Lyanna is charmed. Rhaegar's wife might even be fine with it, the Dornish do seem to be not as tight-arsed around sex. Anyway, Lyanna absconces with Rhaegar, but others see it as a kidnapping, especially Robert. And when Ned "rescues" her, he finds her first protected by three Kingsguard knights and second dying in childbed, poor girl. But as all the Targaryen children are being killed, she has Ned promise her to keep the boy's identity a secret and save him.

Having just gone through the series a second time, Robert Baratheon is the *only* person to ever speak ill of Rhaegar Targaryen. Everyone else who ever utters a word about him praises him or compares others unfavorably to him. He was handsome, he was the last dragon, he was a true knight, he was talented in all he did, and so on. Sure, that doesn't make him incapable of kidnapping and rape, but at least it makes kidnapping and rape incongruous.

When reading or listening to the series with the idea of Jon as Rhaegar's and Lyanna's love child in mind, I think everything just fits too well. And I don't think Martin would put these comments in so that people who read very closely or several times or both might get a false idea - if he pulls a rug from under you, he places the rug more obviously.

As to Ned's Honor, the books have him remember Lyanna's "promise me, Ned" almost as if he's haunted by it. If you think Eddard is too honorable to lie to everybody about Jon, then you would have to accept that he dishonored his marriage with Catelyn and got a wife with child, then never spoke of that woman ever again, not even to Jon. I find it easier to believe that the dying Lyanna exacted a promise, and stupid, rigid, honorable Eddard Stark kept that promise for 17 years.

If Jon was the son of Rhaegar wouldn't he have the white hair? I think it is even mentioned several times how much like Ned he looks. It has been like five years since I have read any of the books though.

I think Jon possesses more Stark blood than Targaryen which would explain his warg porwers more than anything. The Starks descend directly from the First People so their blood could be strong than Targaryen weak blood from their constant incestuous relationships.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299540#Comment_299540Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:59:54 -0500RenThingConsidering that theory, which we agree on, I wonder how they're going to translate that to the show since all of the clues to that theory are in Ned's head, which, since it's TV, we don't really have access too. A friend of mine thinks that the reveal of his parentage will come from

Howland Reed's two children, the two who come to take Bran north of the Wall

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299557#Comment_299557Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:51:35 -0500Labyrinthine@SBarrett in the prequel books there are Tagaryens with dark hair on account of a Dornish mother. I imagine that sort of thing averages out eventually due to the inbreeding, but we know an immediate relative can do that. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299562#Comment_299562Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:45:15 -0500RenThing

While I don't remember it, I really need to reread the series, Cersei was, at one point, going to be betrothed to Rhaegar. Aerys and the court came to Casterly Rock and the believed intent was to announce the betrothal but the king and his court abruptly left after there was a fight between Aerys and Tywin (this was before Aerys got all immolation happy) which coincided with Tywin stepping down as Hand. Several months later Tyrion is born and his mother dies in child birth. My friend's theory is that either Aerys, being a selfish king, raped Tywin's wife or Rhaegar, starting his seducing history, shtups Tywin's wife.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299570#Comment_299570Mon, 27 Jun 2011 04:17:37 -0500PaladineAs to the second theory

I almost posted to that effect, since "the Dragon has three heads". I wonder if Tyrion could be a Targaryen... might be, but I'm far less convinced of that one, up till now it's just fun speculating for me. But I do hope Tyrion gets to ride a dragon, even as a Lannister *g*

maybe Jon get's Drogon because of his black hair, Tyrion Visyerion for his green eye, and Dany get's Rhaegon for her white hair.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299614#Comment_299614Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:39:49 -0500BrianKellettGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299619#Comment_299619
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=299619#Comment_299619Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:40:09 -0500RenThingMy wife just finished rereading the series in preparation for the next book coming out next week. She was rereading the first book and found it boring because the show mirrored it very well. Reading the book will give you some of the internal motivations and thoughts of the characters during the scenes, but the show does have some additional scenes they did just for HBO. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301374#Comment_301374Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:04:08 -0500RenThing
Here's who they got to play Brienne of Tarth and I think they got it right. She's too pretty (Brienne apparently fell out of the ugly tree, hit every ugly branch, and got stuck face-first in the ugly roots when she landed) but 6'3"? Yeah, I can see her trying to win a spot among the Rainbow Knights. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301394#Comment_301394Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:13:17 -0500agentarsenic

her.

Also - I don't think Clash of Kings should be two seasons. There is a lot that can be cut or shortened IMO. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301423#Comment_301423Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:18:15 -0500ColbyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301426#Comment_301426
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301426#Comment_301426Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:08:18 -0500RenThingThis first season was, from what I understand, an abbreviated season. The rest of the seasons will be full runs. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=301643#Comment_301643Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:20:18 -0500Fearlessfoz
Love what I've seen of this... but I have not watched the show.When all the hub-bub began about the show I looked into it. The more I saw about it the more I knew I wanted to read the books. I'm a staunch "read it first" guy, and greatly prefer picturing characters in my head before seeing them on the screen.So I picked up the amazon package of the first 4 paperbacks and plowed through the first book before season 1 ended. I figured I could read it before hearing any spoilery stuff and then watch the show at my leisure when the inevitable dvd pack comes out later in the year. So far its been a success.Now here is my trouble. I'm 2/3rds the way through book 2 and loving every minute of it, but I'm not in a good place to talk to anyone about it. Everyone who knew about this series has already read up through book 4 and is eagerly awaiting book 5 coming out today. So I'm at least 2 books behind anyone who's read it and that makes spoiler free discussion difficult. I wont look at the spoiler boxes above... but its killing me... and i want to rush through the rest of the books to catch up with everyone. But that wasn't my intention. I wanted to take my time and catch up by say the end of this year and get book 5 "Dance" when it came out in paperback. My other worry is that it took GRRM 6 bloody years to get this most recent book out! Will it be another 5-6 years before #6 makes it to the shelves? If so I really dont want to rush it... According to wikipedia he is planning to wrap the whole shebang up with book 7 and how long will that one take? Will he even live that long? Any comments or slim glimmer of hope anyone can offer me will be greatly appreciated.Cripes. Now I'm paranoid that I'm sucked into this terrific narrative and the dude will up and croak on me before he finishes the damn thing... leaving us all without a "payoff" or worse a final book written by someone else. ... maybe I just worry too much. Anyway... If someone else is about the same spot in the books and would like to talk about them... just let me know.

Here are some comments/predictions. (should be spoiler free for anyone that's watched the show or read through book 1)- Jon Snow. Sure to play a MAJOR role in the coming war with the Others. I see him leading The Black if not all of Westeros against the cold enemy. I like him, and I absolutely love the idea of the wall. - Arya. Another favorite. I'm sure she will play a roll somewhere down the road. I hope she reunites with her wolf. I'd love to see her as a Princess Mononoke type she wolf rider terrorizing her enemies from the back of her wolf....- Danreys. Can't get back to the 7 kingdoms soon enough. I just wish her triumphant return on the back of a dragon didn't seem like its still 6k pages off...- Bran. Convinced he will learn to open his third eye and will become some powerful wizard type (maybe even meet the Children of the forest) before we're done.- Cerci. I hope she gets gang-raped by Tyrion's Burned hand's and moon brothers... same goes for Joffrey. (sorry if that is too harsh... but they are fictional people... and those things tend to happen in that world).- The hound. Something is going to happen with him and Sansa... he will help her in some way... I just feel it.-Melisandre. The lady in red = Big Fng Trouble. For everyone. Including Stannis.Brienne of Tarth. Has hardly done anything and I already like her lots. Hope she plays a big roll down the road.

Sorry for the long post. Happy viewing... and reading.(don't tell me if any of my predicitons are right or wrong please) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302611#Comment_302611Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:08:15 -0500steevo
Damn it feels good to be a Lannister.

Full of spoilers...and win. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302628#Comment_302628Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:04:24 -0500Jay KayAnyway, I watched the whole season maybe a week or so back--and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Usually I'm not a fan of fantasy stories at all. To put it in persepective, one of my worst reading experiences was plowing through Lord of the Rings and I found that a harder challenge to swallow than Atlas Shrugged. Of course, watching it instead of reading it probably helped, but it does help prove my dad's theory on entertainment--anything becomes instantly better if you put tits, swearing, and lots of violent stabbing in it.

Nah, but seriously, what I liked was the characters--all oddly likable (to watch, at least), and yet so thoroughly fucked-up. I'm really curious to see how it all goes down after this.

Goddamn you Frey(Fray? it's an audiobook) you petty old bitter bastard. Did you really have to kill Robb and sew Greywind's head on his shoulders? All because he wouldn't marry one of your ugly ass daughters? I hope Arya poisons everyone in the Twins! Speaking of Arya...she seems to go from the frying pan, to the fire, to the floor, stomped all over, dumped in a toliet, flushed down a sewer, eaten by a sewer croc, shat out again...etc etc I'm kind of disappointed her swordplay hasn't become more badass, with all that traveling she seems to be getting weaker :( There was some mention she may have been captured by the Freys, her last POV ended with her getting knocked out by The Hound's axe. I just want her to stab everyone in the world, is that so wrong?

As far as asshole characters go, Lord Fray is definitely near the top of my list. I sincerely hope that GRRM eventually fucks him right off.

Well, when you consider it, what with all of her travels when has she had a change to practice? And she's still a nine year-old girl, no matter that she has a sword and a few months of instructions.

Anyone else done with A Dance with Dragons? All of my real life friends are slow and my wife and I have already discussed the book ad nausem. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302672#Comment_302672Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:57:59 -0500magnusisasillyname
Stannis and Melisandre have been cast. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302677#Comment_302677Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:13:53 -0500RandomEntity
There's a ton of stuff in Clash of Kings that can be cut out. Literally NOTHING happens for like, 500 pages of that book. It's all political blah blah blah until the EPIC ending.

@AgentArsenic

Seriously the Freys can fuck right off. I nearly lost it at that part. I seriously could not believe it. Arya just keeps getting in worlds of shit.

@Jay Kay Lord of the Rings was one of the worst reading experiences of my life. I know it's supposed to be soooooo good. And I'm supposed to respect it and love it. Those books can seriously go to hell. I've only made it to about page 120 in Fellowship. AND NOTHING HAS FUCKING HAPPENED. They're still in the damn Shire. Martin wipes the floor with Tolkein. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302722#Comment_302722Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:30:47 -0500ravnosCredit where credit is due, I feel.Being a fan of both, I have a deep respect for both authors. I prefer Martin's work overall though. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302918#Comment_302918Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:25:09 -0500agentarsenic
Fuck yeah Geoffrey is dead! And Jon Snow held that mafuggin wall! But poor Tyrion... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302919#Comment_302919Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:29:48 -0500oldhatGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302922#Comment_302922
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302922#Comment_302922Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:46:57 -0500ArgosGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302923#Comment_302923
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302923#Comment_302923Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:10 -0500agentarsenicGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302946#Comment_302946
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302946#Comment_302946Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:19:46 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302947#Comment_302947
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302947#Comment_302947Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:22:36 -0500oldhatGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302962#Comment_302962
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=302962#Comment_302962Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:54:43 -0500RenThingNo need to apologize. Just remember: it being on HBO means the sex and naked breast quotient goes through the roof. For instance, while Ned does meet Catelyn in a whorehouse in Kings Landing, I'm pretty sure there weren't any graphic descriptions of women with their bits hanging out in the book. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303010#Comment_303010Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:35:19 -0500Fearlessfoz
Seems to be just right so far (for adult fantasy)... I'm about 1/2 way through book three.

You are in for a good ride Oldhat!

I'm truly enjoying it so far. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303011#Comment_303011Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:54:37 -0500oldhat
while Ned does meet Catelyn in a whorehouse in Kings Landing

SPOILURSHZ! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303558#Comment_303558Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:11:23 -0500LabyrinthineA character talking to his liege about another character's scurrilous invasion proposal says "yet ser [name] proposes we swoop down on the homes they left behind, to rape their windows and put their children to the sword."

Puts a whole new spin on Antoine Dodson, huh? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303562#Comment_303562Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:36:31 -0500Fearlessfoz
Without being spoilery (still haven't peeked at any of those tantalizing windows up thread).... On the train ride in I just finished the chapter that takes place during the wedding feast at the Twins.All I can say friends is... what the fucking fuck.!?.!? I'm a little frustrated here.... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303576#Comment_303576Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:16:23 -0500RenThingWelcome to GRRM, where you become attached to characters at your own peril. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303612#Comment_303612Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:08:56 -0500SBarrettGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303619#Comment_303619
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303619#Comment_303619Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:31:54 -0500DCGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303658#Comment_303658
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303658#Comment_303658Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:18:22 -0500Labyrinthineon the bright side, Danaerys and the Queen of Thorns are awesome? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303754#Comment_303754Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:07:34 -0500Rootfireember
don't stop.However frustrated and upset you get...just don't stop. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303789#Comment_303789Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:02:06 -0500Labyrinthine
very carefully.

Oh man, who do you think is finally going to fuck up Ramsay Bolton? I hope it's Theon.

I'm also crossing my fingers that [book 3 spoiler]

Zombie Catelyn Stark does for Walder Frey in the end.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303790#Comment_303790Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:02:54 -0500magnusisasillyname
Season two will only be ten episodes ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303798#Comment_303798Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:08:19 -0500Fearlessfoz
But I'm knee deep in now... and I've got to see how it all turns out... very happy I did 100 pages later.

I thought they were going to do more episodes for next season... too bad. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303816#Comment_303816Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:40:43 -0500RenThingI very much hope so as well. That would be an epic, epic scene. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303834#Comment_303834Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:14:36 -0500agentarsenic

Kind of disappointed there is no Jon Snow POV and very little Arya in the chapter titles - and that Cersei gets such a huge chunk. I hope I don't start liking her like I did Jaime, because, I really don't want to.

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Arya meets Samwise and they don't know!!!! OMG I WAS DYING! But for most of the book I've just been like "meeeeeeeeh" I'm assuming this is kind of like his cycle, one awesome book, one book of political build-up, AWESOME BOOK, political build-up, etc. I just hope book seven is just pure awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303888#Comment_303888Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:18:56 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=303913#Comment_303913
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=304127#Comment_304127Mon, 01 Aug 2011 01:03:13 -0500Labyrinthine@AgentArsenic from what I've heard, apparently getting cersei's point of view just makes most people hate her more xD ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=304147#Comment_304147Mon, 01 Aug 2011 06:35:47 -0500magnusisasillynameI found that Cersei's chapters enabled me to empathise with her, but not to forgive her. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=307254#Comment_307254Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:14:10 -0500agentarsenicDance of the Dragons isn't faring too much better, at least in the parts I've read. Hope it gets awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=307364#Comment_307364Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:18:26 -0500agentarsenic
who killed Geoffrey. Littlefinger says it was the elder Highgarden woman by way of Sansa's hairnet, and Tyrion mentioned it to Jamie and later recollects on the event without giving a clear answer. Did I miss something, or is it revealed later in DoD? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=307368#Comment_307368Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:27:51 -0500RenThing

Yep, you missed it. It was in the third book and it was the elderly Tyrell matron. Basically, she gave Sansa a jewelled hairnet as a wedding present (she'd just been married to Tyrion). While they were all at dinner, the matron "adjusted" it for Sansa, taking one of the jewels which was crystallized poison and dropped it into Geoffrey's wine, thus bringing about one of the most well-deserved deaths in the series. This led to Sansa and Tyrion being blamed for Geoffrey's death.

It was better than A Feast for Crows, but now I'll be with the rest of you waiting X number of years to get pressing questions answered. Did the Bastard of Bolton really kill Stanis, or just capture Manse? Is Jon Snow dead/dying, and is he going to be zombified ala Kat Stark? Is Dany going to get her own Khalisar and save Meereen from the Ironborn and Yungkai(sp? audiobook)? What's the Crow's Eye about, the Others' work? What's up with that Black Candle and knowing Maester in Oldtown - what will Sam learn there? The return of Varys was awesome, but was he with some Children of the Forest (very pale with large eyes)? Are the Children the force behind the Others, maybe the Others some ancient creations to bring the fall of man? It doesn't seem that Bran is being prepared to save the realm....but I think his narrative through the Weyrwoods will be able to answer some long held secrets that would be unknown otherwise. And Jamie? He's fucked.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=311040#Comment_311040Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:18:56 -0500magnusisasillynameI feel like, when I actually do read it, it won't be like I've heard the story before, but more like I just googled loads of spoilers first. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=318815#Comment_318815Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:35:06 -0600FoamheadDotrice's accents don't have much rhyme or reason to them, yeah, but it's the inconsistency which got me; particularly between Books 3 and 5. Tywin Lannister, as played by Winston Churchill. Until he presumably had a stroke (not mentioned in the story), developed foreign accent syndrome and became Welsh. Brienne sounded way too dimwitted (as did the majority of his minor or incidental characters) and spot on re: Jon Snow. Who knows, maybe WInterfell was the Westerosi version of Oxbridge which, before DwD, Daenerys sounded like she'd attended, too. Perhaps prolonged exposure to dragons makes you squeaky and Irish? I can live with Tyrion's "boyo" accent all the live long day compared to Victarion Greyjoy's gruff, mock-Oz. That. Fucking. Kills. Me. Like nails down a blackboard with me quietly pleading for it to stop.

Having said all that, though, my copy of A Feast for Crows is read by someone else (John Lee) and while it made a nice change to hear it done in more measured accents, after listening to Dotrice for 119 hours pretty much non-stop, I definitely missed some of his eccentricities. For all his faults, nobody can match his ravens or Hodor.

Now I'm off to have a molar pulled while trying to listen to The Left Hand of God by Paul Hoffman.

(Definitely not the thread for it but I can't be bothered/don't think this merits one of its own - Gun Machine: the audiobook. Can't see the big guy reading it himself (for so many reasons) so who'd you do you think would be good?) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=318833#Comment_318833Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:03:50 -0600magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=318853#Comment_318853
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=318853#Comment_318853Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:24:52 -0600agentarsenichttp://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Roy_Dotrice

He will be playing the grandmaster of the alchemists guild in Season 2. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321336#Comment_321336Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:25:16 -0600RenThingUnless, of course, that's HBO's (not so funny) idea of an April Fool's prank.

What are you most excited to see in the second season? I think I'm really looking forward to the battle for King's Landing as well as seeing the person they got to play Jaqqen. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321351#Comment_321351Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:50:30 -0600Rootfireember
I'm looking forward to catching up on the HBO side of things! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321358#Comment_321358Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:21:08 -0600RenThingI'd probably expect it to come out a month or two before the second season. Honestly, I'm surprised it didn't come out in November to hit the Christmas sales. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321360#Comment_321360Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:20:43 -0600AlastairGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321386#Comment_321386
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=321386#Comment_321386Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:39:36 -0600Rootfireember
thanks for hunting that up :) It seems like forever until I will find out what happened in the tv after the first ep! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=323904#Comment_323904Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:06:09 -0600RenThing
Pics from Season Two

(chuckles ominously) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328494#Comment_328494Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:15:49 -0500government spyFeeling that way about The Killing as well. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328508#Comment_328508Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:21:49 -0500RenThing
they do the battle in King's Landing so that should be epic.

I do think this episode was a little slow but it was setting up where the rest of the season is going to go: the struggles of the five kings, Tyrion being a BAD ASS, and many, many deaths. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328513#Comment_328513Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:39:30 -0500Magnulus

Notice for example how he reacts when he thinks he's going to be killed or at least mauled by Robb's dire wolf. There's no hint of fear, just a "let's get this over with" kind of closing of the eyes.

I also recognise the guy playing the bastard with the helmet. Who is that?!

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328516#Comment_328516Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:57:25 -0500RenThingYou will need to be more specific when you ask "Who was the bastard in the helmet?" 8p ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328517#Comment_328517Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:29:04 -0500Argos

with the bull helmet who is running away from King's Landing cos Joffrey wants to kill all of the Baratheon bastards.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=328521#Comment_328521Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:27:14 -0500Magnulus
When Jaime first turned up in the show (I read the book after the first series was done and intend to do the same to the second book) I thought "This guy is there because Aaron Eckhart was busy, isn't he?" but he turned out to surprise me at every turn, even (and especially) by the end of the very first episode.

And yes, that guy.

That's why I hid the question, because he's indicative of a spoilery bit and he seems likely to be important in the future.

I sort of knew that, Ren, but had also kind of forgotten about the ELDEST bit. But even if you didn't know, there's SOME son of Robert buggering off with a very ornate helmet he made himself and sitting right next to Arya. That's pretty indicative. :)

OH! HE'S IN THE FADES! Of course! He was excellent in that! And it's an excellent show. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329012#Comment_329012Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:57:21 -0500oddbillI liked it a lot, many good small scenes. The bit between Davos and Salladhor Saan was priceless! Tyrion and Cersei were great. The short exchange between Tyrion and Varys was well played. Theon returning to Pike was very well done! The best scene in the episode for me was Tyrion dealing with Janos Slynt. I laughed a couple of times in there, and I knew what was coming.

This show really shines when they get two characters together for an extended bit of dialog.

Oh! Almost forgot the whole thing between Arya, Hot Pie and Gendry about whether or not two men in armor stabbing each other counts as a battle! That was almost pythonesque!

I thought it was very good overall, though still really all over the place (of necessity, I guess). Still utterly incomprehensible to a newcomer. I watched it with a friend who has a dvr so we kept pausing it while I'd explain who someone was or what they were there for, then continue. Without that, he'd have been totally lost. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329013#Comment_329013Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:03:12 -0500RenThingOh Salladhor, you kill me.

There were a couple of things though that departed from the book if memory serves:

1. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Rhakaro live through the books?2. Rob Snow doesn't follow Craster out into the woods; they find out about him giving his sons to the Others through the daughter/wife Sam rescues.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329014#Comment_329014Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:04:50 -0500oddbill
There were a couple of things though that departed from the book if memory serves:

I believe you are right about both, but you got Jon Snow's name wrong. :P ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329019#Comment_329019Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:25:41 -0500J.BrennanThe bit with Craster and Jon where they left off is a pretty big departure from the books. I wonder if we'll see the violence that erupts at Craster's keep in Storm of Swords happen a bit early. And I wasn't absolutely certain, but imdb confirms the guy cutting potatoes with Grenn and Sam was Dolorous Edd. Need more Dolorous Edd, one of my favorite minor characters from the books. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329020#Comment_329020Mon, 09 Apr 2012 00:30:18 -0500oddbill(I love him too.) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329034#Comment_329034Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:07:21 -0500RenThingI believe you are right about both, but you got Jon Snow's name wrong. :P

I blame the rampaging head cold that's had me since yesterday morning.

Also, gotta love HBO for making the hinted sexual relationship between Stannis and Melissandre more...explicit.

Dolorous Edd is the Eeyore of Westeros.

This, times a thousand. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329050#Comment_329050Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:59:21 -0500Magnulus
Fuck the Game Of Thrones and all its little pieces!LITERALLY!! :D

Good episode. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329126#Comment_329126Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:14:08 -0500government spyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329131#Comment_329131
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329131#Comment_329131Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:21:58 -0500MagnulusGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329612#Comment_329612
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329612#Comment_329612Sun, 15 Apr 2012 07:59:39 -0500DarkestGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329650#Comment_329650
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329650#Comment_329650Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:11:14 -0500RenThing
Margery Tyrell's suggestions to Renly to be amusing and also make a certain amount of sense, she does seem the very pragmatic kind of character, doesn't she? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329656#Comment_329656Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:29:43 -0500oddbillI'm ready for them to stop mentioning that Cersei has ripped up lots of paper. That was a funny joke in the first episode. Now I feel like whenever Cersei talks about paper, or someone talks about paper to or in reference to her, I should take a drink. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329658#Comment_329658Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:37:50 -0500DavidLejeuneGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329665#Comment_329665
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329665#Comment_329665Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:31:00 -0500RenThingI thought Brienne was pretty bad ass. And fuck is that a tall, tall woman. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329669#Comment_329669Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:11:56 -0500oddbillI also loved Theon's outburst. Though I don't think he ever had as clarifying a moment of outrage in the books, the show really needed it to put him on the map. He's actually coming off as much more sympathetic on screen than he did on the page.

Which is awesome for what is to come heh heh heh... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329714#Comment_329714Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:44:48 -0500RenThingThere's a whole lot I'm looking forward to. The next season and Geoffrey for instance... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329873#Comment_329873Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:32:27 -0500MagnulusGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329875#Comment_329875
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329875#Comment_329875Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:40:19 -0500Warped SavantGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329878#Comment_329878
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329878#Comment_329878Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:51:33 -0500MagnulusGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329891#Comment_329891
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329891#Comment_329891Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:53:27 -0500magnusisasillyname
Yoren was badass, and he'll be missed. (Spoilerised in case anyone hasn't seen s2e3 yet.) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329896#Comment_329896Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:22:53 -0500RenThingYeah, he was one of the things I was sad about in book two.

However, on the flipside

a LOT of shitty, shitty people die horribly in this book, like almost every asshole ever in Harrenhal

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329903#Comment_329903Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:12:28 -0500magnusisasillynameAlso, I know we won't see him for a couple of seasons, but I'm looking forward to

Theon's transformation into Reek.

That story arc is one of my favourites. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329915#Comment_329915Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:08 -0500RenThingThat one is pretty good although I really hope they off-camera a lot of the transformation. I don't need to see any flayed penises. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=329977#Comment_329977Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:16:36 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330009#Comment_330009
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330009#Comment_330009Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:41:24 -0500fleckyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330016#Comment_330016
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330016#Comment_330016Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:55:57 -0500DCThat is all for todayCarry on ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330020#Comment_330020Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:24:12 -0500badbearGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330023#Comment_330023
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330025#Comment_330025Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:38:18 -0500ArgosGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330028#Comment_330028
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330028#Comment_330028Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:53:38 -0500fleckyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330121#Comment_330121
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330121#Comment_330121Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:44:32 -0500MagnulusThere can't be another guy called MAGNUS here! It confuses what little I have left of a brain! :D ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330126#Comment_330126Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:44:50 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330162#Comment_330162
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330165#Comment_330165Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:35:43 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330181#Comment_330181
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330181#Comment_330181Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:30:15 -0500MagnulusAnyway, sorry. Game of Thrones. Love the tits and the political wranglings. Also blood and stuff. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330213#Comment_330213Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:52:10 -0500RenThingAnd yeah, every episode that passes makes me long for next season all the more. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330251#Comment_330251Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:48:12 -0500magnusisasillynameEdited to add: Renthing - No kidding man, that final scene was awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330368#Comment_330368Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:12:36 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330370#Comment_330370
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330370#Comment_330370Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:21:19 -0500FinagleAm I the only one secretly hoping that after Season 3/4 or so, before it gets to the (non)-events of /A Dance with Dragons/, they veer sharply away from the books in the interest of actually advancing the plot...? I'm starting to think I wouldn't be at all sorry if they took a page or two from the /Dexter/ playbook and just ran with the plot...a few years into the future or so...

The latest few episodes have certainly been excellent and held my attention, but I just can't see a whole season's worth of /Dance with Dragons/ down the road. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330380#Comment_330380Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:09:20 -0500Rootfireember
Whatever you do, don't try to be a detective. >:) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330388#Comment_330388Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:05:54 -0500MagnulusEdit to say: "There's no cure for being a cunt." That will be all. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330408#Comment_330408Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:40:25 -0500RenThingMy wife and I loved that line. Reminds me of the bit where someone said, "He's a cunt. No, he's not a cunt. That's an insult to cunts. He lacks both the warmth and the depth." ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330412#Comment_330412Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:03:17 -0500MagnulusJoffrey is going to a really fucking dark place, man. I mean, a lot of stuff before could have - at a stretch - been a result of a fucked-up upbringing and him still being basically a child. But that scene in the latest episode... Yeah, that one... I guess we already saw some indicators earlier in the series and especially in the OTHER scene earlier in the episode, but jeez. He's just a full-on psychopath, isn't he? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330415#Comment_330415Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:06:56 -0500RenThingHe's just a full-on psychopath, isn't he?

Yep. I'm sure we'll get to see more of it later but

it makes what's coming in this season during the battle at Kings Landing and what happens to him in book three so, so worth it

THAT JOFFREY SCENE WAS TOTALLY FABRICATED. It was just "we dont' have time to tell the full story of how eeeeeevil Joffrey is so we're going to just beat you over the head with it so that you cannot possibly be confused."

probably unnecessary disclaimer - These are not spoilers. I have not read the books. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330638#Comment_330638Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:31:49 -0500magnusisasillyname
The Washington Post on the insertion of non-canon sex scenes. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330727#Comment_330727Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:23:36 -0500J.BrennanI was hoping they wouldn't neglect Quaithe of the Shadow! Her mask wasn't at all what I pictured, but looked quite cool nonetheless. Was it just me or did her eyes seem freaky-large?

Also happy that Dolorous Edd is racking up the screen time. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330747#Comment_330747Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:32:16 -0500texture

HBO is by no means the only cable channel to traffic in gratuitous nudity, but it may be the most notorious, what with a backlist that includes “Rome,” “Deadwood” and “The Sopranos.”

Bad shows. Naughty shows! But also the best shows on TV for quite some time. I guess it's up to personal taste whether that's despite the sex scenes, because of them, or if the sex scenes were completely irrelevant to the show's quality. Which isn't to say The Wire WASN'T good because of a lack of T&A. But come on... it's adult entertainment! I have no problem with the added scenes, I think they serve narrative compression, and I kind of dig the term 'sexposition.' Infodumping? Add some sex! Why the hell not? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330763#Comment_330763Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:50:37 -0500RenThingThe problem with translating the books to the screen is that you lose a lot of the internal dialogue and motivations of the characters when you're not in their heads seeing what's going on. I interpretted that scene with Geoffry and his birthday present as driving the nail into the coffin on whether or not he could be fixed; as Tyrion said last night "The king is a lost cause."

@J. Brennan

Yeah, I'm with you there. I wonder what the mask was made out of.

Dolorous Edd's bit about farting when people die had me laughing in a completely twelve year-old fashion. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330817#Comment_330817Tue, 01 May 2012 05:23:17 -0500magnusisasillynameNot wanting to split too many hairs, but whilst Danaerys' handmaidens were bickering, all I could think was

one of you is meant to be dead.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330822#Comment_330822Tue, 01 May 2012 07:43:30 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330924#Comment_330924
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330924#Comment_330924Wed, 02 May 2012 15:52:08 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330939#Comment_330939
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330939#Comment_330939Wed, 02 May 2012 19:42:07 -0500oddbillGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330945#Comment_330945
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330945#Comment_330945Wed, 02 May 2012 23:08:02 -0500Rootfireember
-hrm. That would be interesting. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=330972#Comment_330972Thu, 03 May 2012 08:43:40 -0500RenThingThat's such a great scene. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331247#Comment_331247Sun, 06 May 2012 23:08:05 -0500agentarsenicGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331329#Comment_331329
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331329#Comment_331329Mon, 07 May 2012 17:56:07 -0500magnusisasillynameAlso, where was

the rape of Lollys?

Please note that I'm not asking out of a sick desire to see it, but as I remember it is fairly relevant to the later development of the story.

Very glad that Ygritte seems pretty cool, (and very pretty.) You know nothing Jon Snow. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331333#Comment_331333Mon, 07 May 2012 19:31:32 -0500Mercer Finn
Game of Thrones, and enjoying it like crazy. I read the first book in conjunction with the first season, and noticed that (Martin having worked in TV) it was very televisual to begin with. Thus comparing it to the TV show became all about whether the writers /directors could improve on the original (which has problems, inevitably perhaps, being so long). My conclusion was that the TV show did some bits better (Robert and Cercei), and some bits worse (Lysa Arryn), than the book, so they end up being on a par. And since the TV show takes less time to consume, I decided to read other things.

Can't help wondering, however... how you guys think Game of Thrones Season 2 compares with A Clash of Kings. Was I wrong in my estimation? Is the book actually significantly better than the series? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331334#Comment_331334Mon, 07 May 2012 19:36:46 -0500J.Brennan@Magnus: There was a quick shot of a large woman having her clothes ripped off and being pulled down, nothing as obvious or brutal as the High Septon's arm. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331340#Comment_331340Mon, 07 May 2012 20:46:51 -0500RenThing

perhaps it was the warlocks who took them, and so she has Drogon flambe the place, allowing them to keep her destroying the House of the Undying in the television series?

The expert reviews (which DO contain spoilers) are here. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331397#Comment_331397Tue, 08 May 2012 18:13:55 -0500dorkmuffin
killing ERRYBODY was fine and didn't need some weird IN CASE YOU THINK THIS ISN'T VALID WE HAVE CHANGED THE PLOT SO IT NOW IS alteration.

Edited because I'm an ass and there were spoilers. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331415#Comment_331415Tue, 08 May 2012 21:38:21 -0500Warped Savant
...but I feel like people don't need to be hit over the head with JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL any more than they already are...In HBO's defence, they are going to be (spoilers hidden for people that haven't read all of the books)

brutally murdering a young child on screen

and they probably want to make him as evil as possible so that there isn't too much backlash. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331418#Comment_331418Tue, 08 May 2012 22:07:58 -0500Magnulus
"I dunno, I feel like her original reason for killing ERRYBODY was fine"Oh, so that's what happens.. Staying out of this thread from now on. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331420#Comment_331420Tue, 08 May 2012 23:04:29 -0500oddbill
thpoilerth!

It's funny, as the act of reading the books to keep from being spoiled in discussions about the show actually does spoil me on the show, but somehow it doesn't feel that way.

I cannot untangle that knot. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331435#Comment_331435Wed, 09 May 2012 09:06:23 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331436#Comment_331436
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331436#Comment_331436Wed, 09 May 2012 09:11:35 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331510#Comment_331510
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331510#Comment_331510Thu, 10 May 2012 11:29:54 -0500MagnulusGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331686#Comment_331686
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331686#Comment_331686Sun, 13 May 2012 19:12:09 -0500J.BrennanGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331709#Comment_331709
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331709#Comment_331709Mon, 14 May 2012 07:44:50 -0500RenThingOh, and I totally called it with the warlocks and how they're going to get Daenyrs into the House of the Undying

although I don't remember Xaros becoming King of Qarth in the books.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331710#Comment_331710Mon, 14 May 2012 08:00:40 -0500Alastair
i think thats just so you have a recognisable foe for Dani rather than the faceless 'new king' from the books. when i think about it there are a lot of needless complications in the books ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331735#Comment_331735Mon, 14 May 2012 12:49:17 -0500J.Brennan
The Xaro/Warlock thing was unexpected. More first-hand lessons on how to play the Game for Dany and a compelling reason to go to the House of the Undying. Seems a bit better than the moustache-twirling it came off as last week.

I'm not sure where they're headed with Jon.

The time he was with Qhorin didn't really set up the right things. I'm wondering if they'll pull a switch and, with all of Ygritte's talk of the free folk have him switch sides to pull a cool cliffhanger on non-readers. Then next season flash back to a conversation with Qhorin about doing what he must, switching sides, and so on.

I'm assuming we're going to see next week that Qhorin has also been captured by the wildlings, probably injured, and he'll order Jon to kill him so that Jon will be accepted by the wildlings.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331766#Comment_331766Mon, 14 May 2012 21:06:35 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331768#Comment_331768
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331768#Comment_331768Mon, 14 May 2012 21:38:07 -0500Mercer FinnThe guys playing Catelyn Stark and Jorah Mormont had pretty intense scenes and probably could have been given some more time to get them right. Jamie Lannister was magnificent, however. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331794#Comment_331794Tue, 15 May 2012 03:24:53 -0500texture

King of Qarth? Qarth doesn't have a king. Still doesn't, even in Book 7. C'mon.

I guess I was also looking forward to seeing

the battle at the Fist of the First Men,

and so felt a mite short changed by last night's ep.

But, agreed, KINGSLAYER! is an awesome character, good to have him back. Looking forward to

Because I'm a horrible, horrible man. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=331871#Comment_331871Tue, 15 May 2012 22:15:08 -0500agentarsenic
But the "You know nuthin', Jon Snow" from the show, said with a bit of contempt - almost as if she's spitting, is how it should be. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332239#Comment_332239Sun, 20 May 2012 20:58:00 -0500RenThingLots of "cunt" in this episode. I mean, it was almost like a perverse kid's book "He's a cunt, she's a cunt, you're a cunt, they're a cunt..." ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332240#Comment_332240Sun, 20 May 2012 21:04:29 -0500RenThing
1. Woman2. Another man3. Goat4. Yourself? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332244#Comment_332244Sun, 20 May 2012 23:26:32 -0500agentarsenic
"Give a man another name""Jacquen Hagar""A girl is without honor"*shrug* ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332245#Comment_332245Sun, 20 May 2012 23:41:10 -0500oddbillI would absolutely watch a totally non-canon spin-off sitcom series in which Arya and Jaqen H'ghar knock about Westeros bickering and assassinating n'er-do-wells, staying one step ahead of Tywin Lannister, who is always just on the verge of figuring out who Arya actually is, but is always tricked into thinking it's just a misunderstanding. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332247#Comment_332247Mon, 21 May 2012 00:46:56 -0500magnusisasillyname
Jeyne Westerling has been completely written out. I don't suppose it matters a huge amount. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332249#Comment_332249Mon, 21 May 2012 01:41:36 -0500oddbill
I'm pretty sure Talisa is Jeyne Westerling. I've been thinking she's been lying about who she is, as she's a noblewoman and otherwise probably couldn't just wander battlefields like Florence Nightingale. Could be wrong and maybe they just changed the character, but that character is definately filling the Jeyne Westerling role. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332250#Comment_332250Mon, 21 May 2012 03:05:12 -0500J.Brennan
I'm thinking the same thing. There was an odd little bit about spies in camp a couple eps ago; and suddenly Tywin knows exactly where Robb is marching to. I wouldn't count her out as Jeyne yet.

The thing I'm most curious about is Tyrion's

chain...or lack thereof. It's pretty key to the Battle of the Blackwater.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I thought I heard a lot of metalworking going on outside Tyrion's window. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332458#Comment_332458Thu, 24 May 2012 06:14:44 -0500magnusisasillyname
Tyrion's chain, as it demonstrates just how astute he really is.

Also, I am starting to understand why they created the character of Ros, at it allows them to just amalgamate all the smaller "whore characters" into one. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332468#Comment_332468Thu, 24 May 2012 09:00:25 -0500RenThingTrue, and also giving a useful tool to do those non-canon scenes that illustrate who the characters really are if we were getting to see inside their heads (such as the scene with Ros and Little Finger about the death of the child and how Little Finger always gets his money's worth from his property). ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332486#Comment_332486Thu, 24 May 2012 13:05:31 -0500magnusisasillyname
we never really hear much about her in the books, all we know is that Robb falls for her, and that her father is a Lannister bannerman. With a TV show, they need to show us just what makes her so special that he would break his oath to the Frey's, and beyond that point it's fairly irrelevant where she comes from, so it may as well be Volantis.

I have to say I look forward to more from the Lord of Bones. He looked awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332522#Comment_332522Thu, 24 May 2012 22:01:35 -0500oddbill
I have to say I look forward to more from the Lord of Bones.

Thing I pointed out to my friend who has not read the books but who watches the show with me:

Check out the Lord of Bones' helmet. it is a skull, yes, but not a human skull...

Oh man I hope they show

the giants,

but it looks like it might not happen until next season... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332542#Comment_332542Fri, 25 May 2012 06:40:23 -0500government spy
Ugh this thread is frustratin.

Sorry, woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332550#Comment_332550Fri, 25 May 2012 08:43:41 -0500RenThingYeah, looks like a number of things will be coming next season. I don't want to wait a whole year to see Strong Belwas, damn it. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332680#Comment_332680Sun, 27 May 2012 22:49:20 -0500agentarsenicAt first I was all

The battle's beginning and there's no chain, now Tyrion's cleverness won't be clear to the viewers

and then I was

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA decoy ship make everything burn

Well played television writers, well played.

But:

Tyrion still has a nose, I was wondering if that was even technically feasible for the series. The next episode is the season finale, where it looks like Jon is going to fight Qhorin. I hope Dany can burn the House of the Undying down walking out like badass - it would fit last years closer of her walking into the flames.

I loved the staredown between Sandor and Bronn. The alteration from the book was sufficiently ...incendiary to ignore the lack of Tyrion's chain. Tyrion's injury looked severe enough that it might result in losing his nose. Podrick Payne made an excellent showing. I loved the amount of music in the episode, the praying, the war drums, and...

...I add, with a resounding Fuck Yes!, this: ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332723#Comment_332723Mon, 28 May 2012 17:54:20 -0500steevo
Those are brave men knocking at our door. LET'S GO KILL THEM! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332725#Comment_332725Mon, 28 May 2012 18:26:17 -0500Warped SavantGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332730#Comment_332730
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332730#Comment_332730Mon, 28 May 2012 20:55:19 -0500Mercer FinnRE Lord of Bones. Really liked the fact that the guy looks quite menacing but also supremely ridiculous, like if he wasn't so hard ppl would just endlessly take the piss out of him. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332732#Comment_332732Mon, 28 May 2012 21:41:59 -0500oddbillGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332737#Comment_332737
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332737#Comment_332737Mon, 28 May 2012 22:51:55 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332753#Comment_332753
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332753#Comment_332753Tue, 29 May 2012 03:15:26 -0500FinagleGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332766#Comment_332766
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332766#Comment_332766Tue, 29 May 2012 07:07:27 -0500Warped Savant
No one outside of King's Landing was shown the other night. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=332805#Comment_332805Tue, 29 May 2012 13:39:37 -0500fleckyStill, I've managed to catch the first three episodes, and I'm enjoying it. Anyway, I knew I would. Season 1 was one of the best things I've ever seen.

Brienne fucking shit up like KAPLOW!Dany gettin roofless! I was hoping for a bit more from the House of the Undying, but the vault was priceless and should factor into the Unsullied next season.

Still no sign of the Reeds. They aren't the most important, but the Green Dreams and Mira as a love interest made the books a lot better. Hopefully they'll find them on the way North.Next season: the Red Wedding. The other wedding. Manse!

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333310#Comment_333310Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:47:16 -0500J.Brennan
are definitely in for next season. As is the Blackfish, Edmure, Tormund Giantsbane, and others.

I figured the House of the Undying

would lack all the little scenes of prophecy in the book. A couple wouldn't make sense, and I think others would turn out to be more spoilerish than foreshadowing. Dany may not know what Robb looks like and the book can keep it vague from her perspective, but I think the viewers would recognize him.

Maester Luwin's death hit me harder than I thought it would. And I got chills from that third horn blast even knowing it was coming. Stupid year-long wait for more.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333313#Comment_333313Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:47:36 -0500oddbillThings I loved in the show that were significantly different than in the books:

Brienne being such a badass right out of the gate. I loved that scene on the road, the pained look on her face when they laughed at her and she was just ready to walk away with them laughing at her back but then no... they had to push it...

Dany wrapping shit up in Qarth like a boss. I love the little arc of that earlier scene where her uncouth barbarian followers are talking about stripping Daxos' house of jewels and gold, and she shuts them down and tells them to be civilized, then, after getting dicked around all season, she wraps it up with "loot the place!" I loved the empty vault. I don't even care how that all alters some future events, I am pretty confident if the show lasts long enough to get to them that there are ways to write through the changes. (That last bit with Khal Drogo was really touching!)

I thought the way they handled the build up to the Jon Snow / Quorin Halfhand duel made a whole lot more emotional sense than it did in the book.

All season with Arya and Tywin and Arya and Jaquen H'qar. Arya and anyone she does a scene with really. Just write her into every scene, it's ok!

And, in things I just plain loved:

Sandor Clegane all season - I mean, come on! There is no reason this character had to be this well done! A lesser show would have made him a much more heavy handed baddie. I loved every time he was on screen, every word he said. He was perfect! His meltdown at the Blackwater, His "killers" speech to Sansa, and all those glimpses of him chopping dudes in half! "There's women under the ground..." So. Well. Done.

Varys - They haven't deviated from the book with this character, but the actor playing him has done so much more with the part than I expected, the character lives more on screen for me now than he does on the page.

Sansa - she really came into her own from what was a sort of unlikable, thin character. Her little pep-talk to Joffrey where she makes sure he knows that she expects he'll be leading the battle from the front lines, in the thick of the worst fighting, as a real hero would, and even her traitor brother Robb does, was just a priceless psychological knifing!

Theon Greyjoy's long dark night of incessant horns!

There was so much great about this season. I can't wait for the next. I'm racing through book 5 now, so hopefully I can start talking to people who've read everything soon! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333352#Comment_333352Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:58:50 -0500RenThingGAH!

Is it at all nerdy of me to hope that some prop company does reproductions of Arya's coin? Did she even get the coin? SOMEONE TELL ME IF THERE IS A COIN! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333353#Comment_333353Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:26:06 -0500oddbillGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333358#Comment_333358
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333358#Comment_333358Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:44:08 -0500agentarsenic
Agreed, to just all of it. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333377#Comment_333377Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:38:15 -0500Warped SavantGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333380#Comment_333380
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333380#Comment_333380Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:51:04 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333381#Comment_333381
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333381#Comment_333381Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:58:07 -0500johnjonesThis is a Game of Thrones thread on Whitechapel. Why in the name of the Old Gods would you expect there to be niceness here? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333384#Comment_333384Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:25:31 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333387#Comment_333387
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333387#Comment_333387Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:45:00 -0500J.BrennanGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333410#Comment_333410
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333458#Comment_333458Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:12:36 -0500Warped Savant
Are those the coins you meant? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333539#Comment_333539Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:01:10 -0500Foamhead
(Is this a spoiler? No, because it's just an image and doesn't give any story away. But it shows something which is a bit of a good reveal point in the last episode and might ruin someone's enjoyment.)

Shitfuckwankingbollocks. It's just a funny image. If you haven't seen the end of season 2 yet, ignore it. If you have, copy n paste away.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m53suooN7D1qk2w7to1_500.gif ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333541#Comment_333541Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:04:39 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333552#Comment_333552
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333552#Comment_333552Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:18:01 -0500oddbillHot Pie in the books is this tragically scrawny, cringing, paranoid little survivor. Even he hero (Arya) has an amount of mocking contempt for him, while still making him part of her imaginary wolfpack. He tries to talk tough, but everyone calls him Hot Pie because that's what he used to shout in the streets of Kings Landing, to sell his mommy's pies, before she died. He is this heartbreaking Dickensian orphan that no one gives any love, and he so desperately clings to any moment of safety, but none o the POV characters recognize this and we as readers are left to infer all this in the edges of what w read, which makes it even sadder.

...Who torched Winterfell? Was it the Pyke lot on the way out (in which case, where were the 500 men outside)? Or was it that bunch wot dunnit?

Are we supposed to know/understand at this point? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333672#Comment_333672Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:38:29 -0500dorkmuffinWelp, it's not clear. In the BOOK it's clear, but in the episode (I won't spoil the book) they don't make it clear who does it.

The 500 men outside are men who are following Roose Bolton (a Stark Bannerman), led by his bastard (the bastard of Bolton! He's more important in the books than in this series so far. Boooo). Robb Stark has conversations with Roose Bolton about this a few times in the show, but not enough for it to reallllly be clear that his bastard is protecting Winterfell. WHich is a shame, because as I understand it, one of the books I haven't read yet is all about the Boltons.

Also, (MOAR SPOILERS) did you all understand that Qhorin Halfhand wanted Jon Snow to kill him? In the book they make that way more clear, to the point where Snow and Qhorin have a small moment where Qhorin tells him to kill him so he can get in with the Wildlings.

However, if you hadn't read the book, I could see that bit being confusing. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333674#Comment_333674Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:47:29 -0500Argos
think that's what he wanted but not entirely sure." Thins for clearing it up :)

Also, re: Bolton and his bastard, from my perspective, the show made it seem like he's supposed to be protecting Winterfell, since that's what Bolton is offering, it just didn't make it clear (to me at least) whether it was genuine or just some kind of trickery. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333675#Comment_333675Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:49:29 -0500dorkmuffinYeah, the issue is that Jon Snow is supposed to understand this. He doesn't like it, but HE IS HONOR-BOUND LIKE HIS FATHER so he does what must be done. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333676#Comment_333676Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:50:33 -0500ArgosGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333689#Comment_333689
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333689#Comment_333689Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:25:38 -0500Warped Savant
Thanks! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=333693#Comment_333693Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:41:43 -0500dorkmuffin

If he's locked up in the vault, then he can't have the conversation with her outside the walls of Mereen in the latest book, just like Khal Drogo's bloodrider who Jorah killed won't be there at the end of that book either. I wonder how they're going to explain it.

I have been routinely complaining about small changes to things throughout this season, and have routinely been told to shut up by all my friends, however I feel that a lot of the changes not only alter the plot of the story, but also fundamentally change characters motivation in some instances.

Example 1:

Robb and Catelyn after she frees Jaime - Far from accusing her of treachery and being the grumpy, teenage king that we saw portrayed on screen, Robb immediately, and deviously seizes the opportunity to forgive his mother, firstly because he completely empathises with her having lost her husband, two younger sons and possibly her younger daughter, and secondly because he has just done a massive whoopsy by marrying Jeyne Westerling and pissing off the Freys. "Who hasn't done things they shouldn't have for love?" or somesuch [I am aware that I'm paraphrasing, clearly.]

Ok, not a massive thing, you could argue, but...

Example 2:

Jon Snow vs Qorin Halfhand - Where is the conversation between them where Jon is explicitly told what he will have to do in order to gain the wildlings' trust? Where is Qorin ordering him to act as a spy? In the show, Jon basically just killed Qorin on a whim, or so it seems. I'd say "Do what you have to do" is a pretty weak reason to kill someone who respect and fear. [Again, paraphrasing, but you get the idea.] You'd at least want to double check with the guy to make quite certain that was what he meant before running your blade through his chest. Or maybe bastard blood really is cursed.

Example 3:

Arya - In the books, Arya is a badass. I was a little bit annoyed at the end of season 1, when she ran the first fat kid through. I felt that the show portrayed it as more of an accident than it was in the book, where she very deliberately kills the kid to keep him quiet. Ok, maybe not a massive deal, but again, a change in motivation, and one that gets more serious at Harrenhal. The changes to the Ghost in Harrenhal sequence I can kind of understand, as introducing new characters just to kill them doesn't translate well from book to screen, but Arya doesn't need Jaqen to help them escape, she saunters over and slits the guard's throat herself. All the way through, Martin goes out of his way to show Arya as someone with a growing desire to kill, and ultimately it is that desire that drives her onwards in her arc towards the Faceless men. I just don't buy that TV Arya is bold enough or ruthless enough to essentially give herself over to a cult of assassins.

Ok, I'm going to stop now. There are other minor examples, but those are the big three that I feel, as the series progresses (and I hope they do shoot it all) that are going to result in bigger changes later on.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334167#Comment_334167Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:50:22 -0500dorkmuffinGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334179#Comment_334179
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334179#Comment_334179Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:51:29 -0500voyouGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334181#Comment_334181
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334181#Comment_334181Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:26:33 -0500RenThing
Qorin does bring up the idea of a spy in Mance's army would be worth and I quote "1000 men on the wall" so it's not just on a whim. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334184#Comment_334184Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:35:39 -0500magnusisasillyname
Qorin and Jon repeating their Night's Watch oath together, Qorin knowing and Jon half-knowing what they would have to do next, was one of the most powerful passages towards the end of CoK. Jon at this point is a follower. Due to the stigma of his bastard blood, and hugely influenced by Lord Eddard's unwavering devotion to honour, he is constantly wracked with doubts about whether what he's doing is "right." That Jon really needed Qorin to be pretty explicit. Or at least that was my take on it.

"I'll do as you say," Jon said reluctantly, "but...you will tell them, won't you? The Old Bear, at least? You'll tell him that I never broke my oath."

Qorin Halfhand gazed at him across the fire, his eyes lost in pools of shadow. "When I see him next. I swear it."

It seems as if the programme makers are trying to make all the characters slightly less effective than Martin makes them, and I get that this may simply be to provide more character development as the story arcs develop. It just irritates me. Changes to reduce the amount of characters, or to solve timing problems (expect the Meereenese Knot to be deftly sliced in twain) are fine, but changes that fundamentally alter the characters themselves just get my Vargo Hoat. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334198#Comment_334198Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:25:27 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334200#Comment_334200
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334200#Comment_334200Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:39:53 -0500Alan Tyson ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=334422#Comment_334422Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:22:00 -0500Cat Vincent

A man as ruthless, talented and smart as Daxos would have had to be to gain his position would likely never be dumb enough to build an inpregenable vault with only one key - and tell people it's impregnable and only has one key - without having a hidden back door. He'll get out. And he'll be pissed.

Why did the make Sam say he didn't send the ravens, when despite his cowardice he clearly DOES do this? Is he not witless and ineffective enough for the TV people, do they think their viewers will explode at the first sign of a nuanced character? For that matter, why did they change the reason John gave to Mance for wanting to join the wildlings? I can understand the insta-reveal of Arstan as Barristan, as dragging that on for too long in a visual medium would have been a bit pointless, but where's Strong Belwas?!

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350872#Comment_350872Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:47:06 -0500city creed
Liked this episode though, always good to see Hinds. Dinklage and Dance's scene was a cut above anything else. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350889#Comment_350889Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:47:17 -0500DavidLejeune
Sam not sending the ravens that have pretty big narrative implications that I'm left thinking will have to be resolved by some sort of deus ex machina that would've been unnecessary if they'd left it alone. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350948#Comment_350948Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:39:42 -0500RootfireemberI really enjoyed Tyrion's chat with his dad; that scene just worked very well for me and I'm wondering if it's a setup for certain things later (ie: shitting gold). Squee'd at recognition of various book characters, and generally had fun. Sad I'll have to wait for dvd for s3, but suspect I'll like it more than s2, which I enjoyed, but not quite as much as S1. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350959#Comment_350959Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:24:15 -0500textureGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350960#Comment_350960
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350960#Comment_350960Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:44:24 -0500Scrymgeour
I think there was just a general antipathy to their realisation amongst fanboy circles ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350976#Comment_350976Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:35:17 -0500FrowarddGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350998#Comment_350998
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=350998#Comment_350998Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:41:01 -0500city creedI'm not really a ASOIAF fanboy given that I've never read any of the books (I skimmed the wiki between seasons instead) and probably spend more time talking about the show's problematic politics, or the perils of vast ensemble pieces where key plot moments are obscured by the occasional stiff or shaky performance, than I do talking about why I like it. I have watched it pretty compulsively though.

I came to the first episode of s1 with zero prior knowledge of the story and no expectations whatsoever. The six minute scene that opens s1e1 completely blew me away. I still think it might be the best hook for a TV show I've ever seen; photography, direction, sound, writing, performances, effects, even props and wardrobe are all handled with so much care and attention that they come together to establish an atmosphere so thick and real you can almost taste those dry flakes of floating snow on your breath. The appearance of the Walker - its quality of seeming to be some shadowy bipedal manifestation of the frozen forest's malice, silent and swift and lethal - was ambiguous enough to support any number of fevered imaginings. These are the bad guys that Sean Bean is undoubtedly soon going to be killed by - is what I concluded as episode one unfolded - I am going to be watching the shit out of this. Rangers vs Walkers locked in mortal hand to hand combat deep in the winter wilderness? That's pretty much all my favourite things apart from boobies and weirdly icky sex scenes. Oh look! Ew!

I digress. The mystery of the White Walkers is gradually spun out over the next 2 seasons. We never catch anything more than a glimpse of them though, they are sublimely liminal monsters, present in their absence, acting through other agents. Like I said, I had skimmed the wiki, I knew there was going to be a battle at the FIst of the First Men at some point.

In which Walkers and wights lay waste to the Ranging force under Mormont.

By about mid-season 2, I am wondering if they are going to duck showing the battle at the Fist. By the time the final episode rolls around I have glumly accepted that we are not going to see the frenzied hacking up of shouty rangers in the mist. There's enough else going on by that point (Blackwater) that I can see they had to make some difficult decisions to maintain propulsion towards the season finale cliffhanger. There's no principal characters at the Fist, so that will end up being yet another epic battle that we only see the aftermath of, or which is expositionally reported at some point. I'm sad that what feels like such an inherently dramatic moment (and the payoff of the promise implicit in the pilot's opening scene) will go entirely unseen, but I can see they have to make some compromises and, sigh, ok.

But wait! Final scene, ice-zombie invasion, aaaand what the hell is that? Is that the same thing we saw in s1e1? I don't think so. He looks... sad. He looks sadder than I feel looking at him. He's all wheezy. He doesn't have anything in common with the hypnotic, pitiless black-garbed slayer from the pilot. Cue dodgy zoom out to establish size of zombie army - and there's another one, gesturing it up like a generic level three mounted undead champion casting Haste. Fade out.

Without wanting to get too maudlin about it, it felt like a terribly disappointing return on the creeping tension building up around the Walkers. It's not that the CGI isn't good, but the minute you see him you know in your gut that he's never going to get a real fight scene, no matter how expressive his face is. And that knowledge somehow makes him harmless, pours away all the threat and horror in favour of cliffhanging spectacle. It also feels like a terribly lazy visual cliche, aiming to emphasise the scale of the invasion (which it arguably fails at) rather than the deadliness of the invaders, which is surely far more apposite to the outcome of the battle anyway.

I know lots of people who watched it and thought it was a great final shot. It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it felt like a flat note in an otherwise raucously successful end to the season. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351023#Comment_351023Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:08:49 -0500RenThing

If they do not put Strong Belwas into the show I'm going to be very, very disappointed. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351054#Comment_351054Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:40:31 -0500magnusisasillyname

they may just combine the characters of Belwas and Grey Worm, the Unsullied self-appointed leader.

It's the kind of streamlining they seem to be fond of, and are going to have to do more and more of as time goes by. Oh, if only they'd given them 24 episode series from the get go. At this rate, I wonder whether I will still be watching should they ever come to shoot 'Crows or 'Dragons. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351084#Comment_351084Sat, 06 Apr 2013 12:45:08 -0500DavidLejeuneedit:

And I think it's more likely that Barristan is going to be taking the majority of Strong Belwas's scenes, like fighting the Champion of Meereen. I'd wager on the fight with the Titan's Bastard having been cut altogether.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351090#Comment_351090Sat, 06 Apr 2013 17:03:17 -0500twentythoughtsSeeing as the Game of Thrones show is almost Cliff's Notes for the books, it's understandable that they need to simplify characters and happenings. The way they did away with the battle that was starting at the S2 ending cliffhanger was just... lazy.

They could at least have taken hints from the book and put us right in an in medias res of the aftermath, rather than brief sounds of clanking swords over a black screen and then some exposition and re-establishing that Fatty McCowardly doesn't do his job right.

I see the budget concerns, but, seriously...

A dark screen and some clanging swords? Really?

The good stuff is still good, though. Again, every scene with Dinklage in it was gold, and not just because of Dinklage himself.

They do a good job of establishing the Joff/Margaery/Cersei relationship without throwing it in our faces, too.

Jon's explanation to you-know-who makes sense too, actually. The best falsehoods are the ones with a grain of truth to them. He could've blamed his libido, but the explanation he gave was one that... isn't actually a lie. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351100#Comment_351100Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:26:17 -0500DavidLejeune

My only problem with the meeting between Jon and Mance and the changing of Jon's story about why he's apparently broken his oath is that 'We need to get you a new cloak' doesn't have nearly the same weight without Mance explaining his own oath breaking, and 'where did they seat the bastard?'

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351105#Comment_351105Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:03:49 -0500twentythoughtsGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351112#Comment_351112
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351112#Comment_351112Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:52:12 -0500RootfireemberGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351206#Comment_351206
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351206#Comment_351206Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:21:13 -0500RenThing
favorite part of the episode last night was definitely the fight on the bridge. I think they did a pretty good job of showing that Brienne can handle herself (and, in her current state of having not been a prisoner for who knows how long, Jaime's better).

However, if I remember correctly wasn't it the Goat who found them on the bridge and not the Flayed Men? If there's no Goat then I wonder how they're going to do the "THATHPHIRES!" bit. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351245#Comment_351245Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:21:51 -0500J.Brennan

The TV series seems to have shifted Jaime and Brienne's captors to be Bolton's men directly, cutting out the BCs' and their betrayal sublpot. The Northerners find Qyburn alive in the wreckage, and he was the only one of the Brave Companions to have an impact on the wider story. Also in that Harrenhal scene Roose Bolton tells Rickard Karstark that he sent his best hunter after Jaime, so I imagine he is the Hoat stand-in.

Locke is a recurring character in the third season.[1] He is played by Noah Taylor, and debuts in "Dark Wings, Dark Words".[2]Locke is a man-at-arms sworn to House Bolton, and acts as Roose Bolton's personal bounty hunter. Locke takes the place of Vargo Hoat from the A Song of Ice and Fire novels.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351266#Comment_351266Tue, 09 Apr 2013 06:28:38 -0500texture
GRRM confirms nae Strong Belwas. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351298#Comment_351298Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:35:01 -0500BerserkerAnd I pretty much have to say that even when a change/omission does disappoint me a little, I can understand the choice being made. There's just too much story in the books to NOT streamline in all into a tighter tale. If nothing else, just the rate that the actors playing Bran and Arya are growing is leaving them no choice - their actors are already outgrowing their roles! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351334#Comment_351334Wed, 10 Apr 2013 01:57:18 -0500ScrymgeourGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351565#Comment_351565
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351565#Comment_351565Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:44:29 -0500RenThingWELL.

I didn't get my lisping THATHPHIRES! but that was...

well. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351567#Comment_351567Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:51:53 -0500SeantaclausDoes The Thing At The End happen in the books as well, or was that an alteration for TV? Just curious. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351568#Comment_351568Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:36:40 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351571#Comment_351571
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351571#Comment_351571Mon, 15 Apr 2013 02:10:46 -0500J.BrennanGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351577#Comment_351577
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351577#Comment_351577Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:23:17 -0500ScrymgeourGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351585#Comment_351585
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351585#Comment_351585Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:47:25 -0500RenThingYeah, I agree. I have to wonder how this is going to turn out because, if I remember correctly, the Goat betrays his original employers and dies by ambush later and Locke has been pretty resistant to the idea of leaving Bolton's employ. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351595#Comment_351595Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:29:50 -0500FinagleGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351653#Comment_351653
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351653#Comment_351653Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:03:36 -0500magnusisasillynameGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351655#Comment_351655
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351655#Comment_351655Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:15:31 -0500RenThingThe looks on Tyrion's and Bron's faces were hilarious. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351656#Comment_351656Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:16:33 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351663#Comment_351663
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351663#Comment_351663Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:48:21 -0500Rootfireember
-I hope not. Maybe Joffers' be sometime toward the middle of this season? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351682#Comment_351682Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:45:41 -0500RenThing
In the last two minutes of the show Joffrey takes his big swig of poison wine, we all get to see the little shit asphyxiate, and then everyone rounds on Tyrion as his sister levels a finger and screams some version of, "YOU!" with him going, "Me?" then cut to black. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351738#Comment_351738Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:27:29 -0500twentythoughts

RAMSAY!

The changes so far are interesting. They're enough to keep me as a book reader curious. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351752#Comment_351752Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:30:51 -0500RenThing
until later when he shows up as Reek. It's interesting to see them adding this filler, especially when, as a book reader, you know the end result (which, for me, makes it "worse"/better because I can more fully appreciate the fuckery of what's going to happen to him).

BTW, was that a screw they were drilling into his foot or just a clamp? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351766#Comment_351766Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:47:58 -0500rough night*I haven't read the books. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351767#Comment_351767Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:51:40 -0500DavidLejeuneGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351779#Comment_351779
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351779#Comment_351779Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:17:29 -0500RenThingNot a spoiler: we actually don't ever see what happens to Theon while he's a guest of the Boltons. A lot is implied but it's never put down on paper. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351794#Comment_351794Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:07:34 -0500rough night*and honestly don't mind a few spoilers on this one show, because anticipating random suffering is often worse than knowing what's coming before hand. What's coming is apparently always suffering in GoT.

P.S. Random theory, based on no knowledge whatsoever - Daenerys is going to burn shit down in that slaver town. I feel that if shit gets too terrible, I'll be able to count on her to burn it down. That's my take on the end game - Daenerys and her dragons piling up the burnt debris of the rest of the world and setting a melty throne on top of it. Queen of all she surveys, and all she surveys is burnt down. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351802#Comment_351802Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:18:44 -0500RenThing
Daenerys is going to burn shit down in that slaver town

Dany started speaking Valyrian there was a quick cut to Missandei's head whipping around all "Oh shit..." .

And then the burning... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351909#Comment_351909Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:17:24 -0500Ben Klumaster
Dany's whole army starving to death. Seriously, they don't even look like they have lunch with them. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351930#Comment_351930Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:40:32 -0500rough night
Fuck Yes is what I think. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351950#Comment_351950Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:48 -0500Rootfireember
is discussed a bit in the last book. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=351969#Comment_351969Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:15:25 -0500RenThingYes, but not a in-the-moment-wow-they're-giant-bastards-aren't-they-omg-is-that-a-flensing-knife? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352025#Comment_352025Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:46:03 -0500RenThing ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352026#Comment_352026Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:57:28 -0500twentythoughtsI do wish they had the guts to spend a little more time with each storyline per episode. I appreciate that they at least left out SOME of the groupings, but there's still just a little too much "hey remember these guys they're still doing their thing" for my tastes. This fourth episode does come close to a decent balance (with the King's Landing bits flowing together nicely), but it'd still work better to give each faction more of its own episode. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352080#Comment_352080Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:23:46 -0500BerserkerIt's a totally divergent storyline from the books ( I did mention those would be more obvious and frequent, didn't I? ) and I'm really wondering if it's just for a laugh or are they up to something I'm not hip to becuase I haven't read the last book. Or two. I forget. Still, it's grabbed my brain in an inappropriate way.

[ and by last book or two I mean last book or two out so far. what if HBO ( almost certainly ) has inside dope on the so far unpublished ending and is already intertwining that into the series? ] ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352105#Comment_352105Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:02:25 -0500twentythoughtsAlso, this makes viewers remember Podrick for later. Which is useful. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352122#Comment_352122Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:06:41 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352123#Comment_352123
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352123#Comment_352123Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:48:13 -0500Rootfireember
Glad Pod gets more screentime, too! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352124#Comment_352124Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:55:40 -0500RenThingI will not ruin it for you, because it's worth it, but Podrick?

Podrick's the fucking man. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352125#Comment_352125Sat, 27 Apr 2013 20:59:00 -0500DavidLejeuneGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352193#Comment_352193
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352193#Comment_352193Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:30:02 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352209#Comment_352209
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352209#Comment_352209Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:47:21 -0500Ben KlumasterGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352210#Comment_352210
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352210#Comment_352210Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:05:20 -0500RenThingMy response was to shout "IF TYWIN'S NOT HAPPY, NO ONE IS HAPPY!" ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352213#Comment_352213Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:49:38 -0500Ben KlumasterGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352225#Comment_352225
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352225#Comment_352225Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:17:28 -0500Doc OcassiGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352239#Comment_352239
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352239#Comment_352239Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:59:39 -0500cardoGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352304#Comment_352304
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352420#Comment_352420Sat, 04 May 2013 15:07:37 -0500twentythoughtsOne niggle with Jaime's feverish speech. I could've sworn he didn't outright do the "What would you have done? What would you do with your oath?" bit in the middle of it all in the book. And it might - MIGHT have worked better without it, if he'd let the subtext tell it all.

Then again, in the books his internal dialogue gives all that very clearly, so I guess it had to be said too, to make it clearer for the viewers of the show who aren't as familiar with the characters. I just feel that THAT moment might have been better if they'd let the story speak for itself. Maybe. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352421#Comment_352421Sat, 04 May 2013 15:10:58 -0500twentythoughtsGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352464#Comment_352464
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352464#Comment_352464Mon, 06 May 2013 13:10:44 -0500ScrymgeourGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352467#Comment_352467
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352467#Comment_352467Mon, 06 May 2013 13:28:02 -0500RenThingThe change to Gendry's plot? Fuck that and a bag of hammers.The death of a certain woman? Fuck that and a bag of hammers (although they're really pushing the "Geoffry's really a psychotic monster and no one should be unhappy when bad things happen to him")

Things that were good?The foreshadowing of the Red Wedding? Awesome.Littlefinger's speech? Pretty awesome. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352477#Comment_352477Mon, 06 May 2013 15:03:26 -0500Alastairedit: no it didn't.....

aha! they are totally making him edric storm! i always felt gendry disappeared with little fanfare

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352478#Comment_352478Mon, 06 May 2013 15:15:22 -0500RenThing
would have more significance later with the Brotherhood being joined by zombie Caitlyn.

If they are going to have Gendry take the place of the person you mention, it may play holy hell with certain plotlines in the future. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352479#Comment_352479Mon, 06 May 2013 15:40:47 -0500Alastair

although not exactly. they could have gendry on dragon stone with the princess and stannis, keeping him in mind and when RR decides they just exchange edrics fate with whatever RR wanted... in all of zombie starks appearences they never mention gendry :(

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352492#Comment_352492Mon, 06 May 2013 20:34:35 -0500Warped Savant
The death of a certain woman? Fuck that and a bag of hammersDumb question, but who was the woman? I couldn't figure it out. (Possibly I'm not paying enough attention...) ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352496#Comment_352496Mon, 06 May 2013 20:56:35 -0500DavidLejeune
Ros ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352500#Comment_352500Mon, 06 May 2013 22:20:43 -0500RenThingOr they could

The "Yay! I can trust someone who wants to help me! Oh wait no I can't" thing pretty much gets played on her three or four times in the books until she finally wises up and realizes she's living in a crapsack world.

I realized on the way home what they were doing with the Gendry thing. I guess it pretty much confirms that

in the books, he was always going to be a minor character.

The Jon Snow romance feels like it's written for Jon Snow being the age he is in the books, not the twentysomething he is in the show. I felt like it was clumsily played out and hard to swallow until I realized that it IS supposed to be clumsy. Because Jon Snow's supposed to be a teenager. Watching an adult with a way more badass beard than I can ever get at the age of soon-to-be-30 act like that feels weird. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352721#Comment_352721Mon, 13 May 2013 06:44:32 -0500Scrymgeour
CGI was amazing this week, and there is some serious foreshadowing.

Walder Frey will have his wedding

Can you imagine if you haven't read the books?the Dink is as always excellent.Charles Dance is always pretty amazing too.great episode ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352722#Comment_352722Mon, 13 May 2013 06:44:47 -0500ScrymgeourGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352752#Comment_352752
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352752#Comment_352752Tue, 14 May 2013 01:34:14 -0500J.Brennan
"Jaime Lannister sends his regards" it took me a moment to realize the music that swelled up in the last few seconds of the episode and over the credits was The Rains of Castamere. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352754#Comment_352754Tue, 14 May 2013 03:04:40 -0500Scrymgeour
the best foreshadowing was

Tyrion saying "what would I do over the sea, juggle?" (to paraphrase)

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352764#Comment_352764Tue, 14 May 2013 14:36:07 -0500twentythoughtsAnd for some reason, Yunkai looks almost exactly like I imagined it would from the outside. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352791#Comment_352791Wed, 15 May 2013 04:18:27 -0500FinagleGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352950#Comment_352950
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352950#Comment_352950Mon, 20 May 2013 03:19:48 -0500ScrymgeourGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352980#Comment_352980
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=352980#Comment_352980Tue, 21 May 2013 02:04:51 -0500texture
I am the god of tits and wine! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353057#Comment_353057Wed, 22 May 2013 21:46:40 -0500imaginarypeople
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353385#Comment_353385Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:44:19 -0500Wood
Tyrion's wedding sucked... ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353386#Comment_353386Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:48:33 -0500RenThing
io9.com/the-100-best-tweets-about-last-nights-game-of-thrones-511003444

The extra red wedding casualties : Robb's wife (and unborn baby) and Brynden Tully. In the book, they both remained safely at Riverrun. Of course in the book Jeyne Westerling had been placed in Robb's bed by the Lannister in the first place, and she wasn't pregnant thanks to the special tea her mother made her drink. But Brynden Tully dead means there probably won't be a siege of Riverrun.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353407#Comment_353407Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:19:18 -0500Ben KlumasterGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353408#Comment_353408
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353408#Comment_353408Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:19:49 -0500Pow
WEDDINGEVER ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353409#Comment_353409Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:22:46 -0500J.Brennan
I don't think the Blackfish died. He snuck out for a piss just before the bedding ceremony and I didn't see him among the dead. Does make me wonder if that will lead TV viewers to see him as part of the conspiracy. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353461#Comment_353461Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:48:07 -0500Jack Crowder
I didn't see this here so I felt like putting it here. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353471#Comment_353471Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:33:32 -0500Wood

My mistake. You're right, he left saying he needed "a tree to piss on" which might mean he was outside of the castle when the killing took place.

All the Feels. All of them. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353656#Comment_353656Sun, 09 Jun 2013 21:00:50 -0500RenThing
Grey Wind's head on Robb's body. Holy fucking shit. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353657#Comment_353657Sun, 09 Jun 2013 21:49:37 -0500Warped Savant
Don't make a "Dick in a Box" joke, don't make a "Dick in a Box" joke, don't make a "Dick in a Box" joke...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=353752#Comment_353752Wed, 12 Jun 2013 02:14:51 -0500Foamhead

This is probably episode 0 of a podcast about books. Future ones won't ramble so much. I'd love to get your feedback about any of it. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=354353#Comment_354353Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:52:59 -0500Foamhead
Eight names blown up by film and TV

According to Laura Wattenberg, “The Baby Name Wizard” blogger, 146 American girls were named Khaleesi last year after HBO’s Game of Thrones title...”a 450% jump in the name’s usage from 2011, and before that year it was completely unknown.”

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=355529#Comment_355529Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:57:25 -0500RenThing
George R. R. Martin is tired of your shit. I love that Paul and Storm got to do a bit like this, they're great guys. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=358817#Comment_358817Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:27:41 -0500FlabyoGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=358879#Comment_358879
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=358879#Comment_358879Fri, 04 Oct 2013 11:23:42 -0500Cat Vincent
Stevie Nicks is writing poems about his books, has crush on him.

Class! ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364450#Comment_364450Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:28:25 -0500RenThingGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364467#Comment_364467
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364467#Comment_364467Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:36:54 -0500allana
- why did they give up on the blonde hair dye for Peter Dinklage?- why show full-frontal male nudity when it just ends up ruining the illusion? Men are constantly pulling away from whores they've just finished fucking, with flaccid penises.

How are they going to work the Shae storyline, do you think? It seems like they are trying to use her in place of Tysha, but that seems like it will be difficult to pull off. It makes sense to use her in some ways, because we see that she (in the show version, at least) loves Tyrion. And it's difficult to introduce Tysha as an abstract sort of motivation for what Tyrion will do from here out, with the "where whores go" bit and all. But if she's safe in Pentos, he would know where to find her and wouldn't have any interest in going to Mereen or anywhere else. If she were captured by Tywin's men, surely they would make her testify against Tyrion in his trail. And once that is done, I can't see things going much differently then in the books. As much as I like this version of Shae, I'm gonna be sort of bummed if Tyrion doesn't kill someone with that King's Hand pin.

The young actress had, meanwhile, been assured by the director that the scene would be “choreographed like a ballet” and would be “beautiful.”

Beautiful, beautiful rape.

Why am I still watching this show, again ? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364658#Comment_364658Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:23:07 -0500J.Brennan
That was a pretty brutal scene to be sure, but it didn't vary as much from the book as people are saying. The Jezebel article somehow glosses over the bit in the book excerpt where Cersei blatantly says:

"No," she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, "not here. The septons…"

"The Others can take the septons." He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother's altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her.

That's rape. The only big change, it seems to me, is on the show it's More explicitly rape and can't be hand-wrung away as Cersei consenting if only to get it over and done with.

I also have a hard time with the people who didn't bat an eyelash when Jaime casually threw a seven year old child out of a tower One of those isn't really worse than the other, they're both abominable acts. As charming as Jaime is, as much as he strives to be better, he isn't ever truly a good man. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364684#Comment_364684Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:12:43 -0500andycon
And something only a few people point out, that section of the book is from Jamie's POV so it is going to paint him a a better light because he is telling it and if THATS the best he can do then it must have been pretty bad ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364693#Comment_364693Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:42:27 -0500VornaskottiGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364722#Comment_364722
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364722#Comment_364722Wed, 23 Apr 2014 21:51:08 -0500RenThing
GRRM's opinion. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364881#Comment_364881Thu, 01 May 2014 10:12:49 -0500Brendan McGinleyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364886#Comment_364886
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364886#Comment_364886Thu, 01 May 2014 11:31:59 -0500Ben KlumasterGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364962#Comment_364962
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=364962#Comment_364962Mon, 05 May 2014 09:50:47 -0500RenThing
wasn't the detail revealed last night that it was Littlefinger who got Lysa to poison Jon Arryn and blame the Lannisters a bit of a spoiler?

Not to mention the big spoiler from last week's episode of

Night's King being revealed to still be alive and behind the White Walkers

we're going to be hearing a LOT more bitching about cool characters getting whacked. But, to be fair, I complained bitterly when we came to this part of the book.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365335#Comment_365335Sun, 18 May 2014 22:34:00 -0500RenThingWhat do you think of the current buddy-cop relationship between Arya and the Hound? ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365353#Comment_365353Mon, 19 May 2014 15:27:28 -0500fleckyI've grown to like their relationship, and I'm interested to see where it will go. Damn, that episode seemed to go quickly, which is always a good sign. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365362#Comment_365362Tue, 20 May 2014 00:12:10 -0500Ben Klumaster

Littlefinger defeats the white walkers by building an impassable wall of dead major characters

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365939#Comment_365939Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:16:29 -0500imaginarypeople
- I just found out that they used a 7foot7 basketball player to be the giant, so it could not have been a special effects budget thing. Would have been cool to see more giants.

also ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365942#Comment_365942Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:49:24 -0500allanaGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365943#Comment_365943
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365943#Comment_365943Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:00 -0500imaginarypeople
the giant shooting the giant bow and arrow was pretty cool ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365956#Comment_365956Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:32:56 -0500Clarkthehomunculus
Also, Sam just showed he has some moxie as well. Seems it was a show of character growth from many angles. Jon steps up and is becoming more and more the leader. "Kill the boy and let the man be born."Isn't it gratifying to see Sam show more courage than that douchecanoe Janos Slynt. Boy, I hope they don't fuck up "Edd, fetch me a block!" ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365981#Comment_365981Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:25:06 -0500fleckyGame of Thrones Discussionhttp://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365991#Comment_365991
http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=365991#Comment_365991Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:43:01 -0500RenThing

After Joffrey, he's the next character whose death I'm particularly looking forward to.

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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=366137#Comment_366137Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:24:48 -0500FishelleMy main issue with that fight scene is that I had this sort of hope that

when Brienne goes to the Quiet Isle we would get a quiet sort of Hound cameo, because he's there alive working as a gravedigger. But if she's already fought him and knows what he looks like it seems increasingly unlikely that he will be coming back. I mean, it already was sort of wishful thinking, but I have a hard time letting go of the idea that Sandor Clegane is there.

The writers are also not including Lady Stoneheart, because in a book with dragons, ice zombies, and people who can ride the mind of wolves, the writers just can't figure out what to do with

Zombie Cat

.

So them fucking up that later scene you mention? Not outside the realm of possibility. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=366144#Comment_366144Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:27:18 -0500Fishelle
But I was definitely sad she didn't pop up at the end there. I watched through the credits, waiting and hoping, but it's not a Marvel movie, I guess. ]]>
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http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9805&Focus=366159#Comment_366159Sat, 21 Jun 2014 04:00:25 -0500Mild Maynyrd