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On the latest edition of Websleuths Radio we tackle the Rebecca Zahau murder case and the big mistake made in the autopsy report of the Las Vegas shooter.
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the way things went down that night are too coincidental for me, so i agree with those who agree with that =)

shannon was in fear for her life, she knows someone is after her and wants to kill her. if i were her what would i do?
she's not sure who it is, supposedly she calls 911 from jb's. yet she leaves and runs away from jb's house when jb calls the driver in.

she tries to find someone else who can help her.
she goes to gc's house and he does open the door and offer to wait with her and call 911. now if you have a psychokiller after you and are in a house with the only thing between you and the maniac being an older gentleman, then i think shannon choose flight over fight again. i can't say i wouldn't have done the same.

she runs again from gc's house off into the weeds. soon afterwards, gc stops the suspicious looking driver, who's crawling in the suv, opening the door and looking.
gc has to ask the asian driver of the suv if he can help him.
the driver didn't ask gc if he saw shannon.

this in itself is weird. if the driver was going to say shannon was upset and left a party, why not just ask gc that off the bat? why wait for gc to question him? maybe the driver didn't expect gc to be outside at that time of night? also why not call out for shannon by her name instead of hunting her like some stealthy dude going 2 miles per house in an suv stopping opening the car door, looking around, then repeating the pattern.

odd.

gc has no reason to lie. however he does slip up when he says "they" after qouting shannon saying "they're after me". so i think le probably coached him on interviews and it was a slight was all. he wasn't supposed to use the word "they" as in plural.

I am in 100 percent agreement with the first part but lets flip it, your scared of something or someone you go with what you know what's safe the way you got where you are, that's the Driver. There is no reason other then Chemical, Drugs or Mental that would scare you away from what you know to be safe. So what does that leave us with? Either someone is not telling the truth, we don't know the truth that's really it. Nothing else can explain why she would not leave with the person she came with. IMO

Could whoever posted that map of Oak Beach with the street names and showing where JB's house was please repost it. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack here. Thanks ;}

Not sure which map you're referring to, but here's the link to a google map with JB's house flagged: [ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8+The+Fairway ,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&aq=3&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.582079,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hn ear=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+Suffolk,+New+York+11702&t=h&z=17"]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=8+The+Fairway ,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&aq=3&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=61.582079,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hn ear=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+Suffolk,+New+York+11702&t=h&z=17[/ame]

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I am in 100 percent agreement with the first part but lets flip it, your scared of something or someone you go with what you know what's safe the way you got where you are, that's the Driver. There is no reason other then Chemical, Drugs or Mental that would scare you away from what you know to be safe. So what does that leave us with? Either someone is not telling the truth, we don't know the truth that's really it. Nothing else can explain why she would not leave with the person she came with. IMO

fear.
shannon at that point was afraid of the driver also. all we have is the driver's side of the story that says everything to make shannon sound bad. she was on drugs, delusional, irrational. pretty much to give discredits to shannon. how did the driver know she was on drugs at that time? did he give her some?

it's all so odd.. i'm not sure whether to think the driver and jb incahoots or what at this point.
the driver sure has acted odd, not to mention we've hardly heard a peep out of him through all this. if he is so innocent he'd say something at least a r.i.p. type thing.
either the driver is a witness or something worse

That's right, Scandi. It is referred to as OBI still today, as if the inn were still there.
That's where all of the wonderful police and firefighter volunteers and their equipment have been camped out.

earlier someone had mentioned why would the killer change his mo from if he is one and the same who killed in ac?

he perfected his mo by making the victims harder to identify by removing all personal effects.

imo, i'm thinking the farther he can distance himself from anyone who's seen the girls, and thus him.
putting the possibility forth that he could potentially have come into contact with other witnesses who may know the girl, and would be able to say or remember who they were with last, what they were doing.

putting time in between gives witnesses the chance to forget, and forget details. this the killer might think works in his favor.

I can imagine that if i was a "John" and i told working girls that i was a successful doctor, it would probably provide instant trust.
When doing my own profiling, with the little info we have, i believe that the LI victims knew their killer before hand and trusted him, which is why they were willing to hop into his car or go with him, no questions asked, without telling anyone.
As it was said before, the LI victims weren't the type of girls that stood around in corners, which is why it made me doubt about the AC connection.

A quick study of the most prolific SK's like Henry Lee Lucas shows that traveling offers the best chances of not being caught.

Then again, we could be reading too much into it, maybe he is someone who just gets bored in one place, likes to live well and party.

I also am beginning to believe that the victims knew their killer beforehand and trusted him. Maybe a previous customer?

svpernin posted a link to some 'review' sites where the johns review the escorts. (some of the reviews were on the missing women) I feel like there must be some clues there. I just haven't had any alone time to do any serious sleuthing lately.

(My biz has picked up and my daughter just moved back in after a failed marriage....it's been hectic here lately!) Sorry everyone for being off topic.

imo jb and the driver look shady. the search narrowed to jb's backyard practicly. they sure have their cards to their chest.

Thanks Chemcopout, The timing of that announcement today is interesting with LE's letting the public know the investigation will branch out to Nassau on Monday.

Could they be sending a message to the perp that not much will be done in the case till Monday and hope over the weekend the perp does something that will trip him up? The person has to be on 24 hour surveillance and I'm wondering if they are nervous or taking it in stride? Peeking out their windows looking for undercover cops?

What a case, eh? I hope something big happens over the weekend. What's the weather like?

isn't it a very meth-ie thing to believe that there are men or people in the bushes who are trying to get you?

I have heard of this kind of thing more with meth than with coke...I am sure if you r bi-polar you can have a range of experiences on a stimulant...

it's difficult to imagine that she was paranoid and delusional ...found her way somewhere else and actually became a victim of an unknown predator ( aside from the fictional predator she called cops about.

That's right, Scandi. It is referred to as OBI still today, as if the inn were still there.
That's where all of the wonderful police and firefighter volunteers and their equipment have been camped out.

Media, too. :/

Thanks again, as you were the one who posted it's where the Inn was LOL

I read last night that when the Inn closed it was bad timing and the public was very sad to see it go.

Everything says we are missing a Big part of this picture. It is otherwise very simple. the odds of SG freakin out scared for her life calling the police because someones trying to kill me and 8 dead bodies within a stones throw and a coincidence are extreamly high.