WASHINGTON—Senate leaders are optimistic about forging an eleventh-hour bipartisan deal preventing a possible federal default and ending the partial government shutdown after Republican divisions forced GOP leaders to drop efforts to ram their own version through the House. Pressured by the calendar, financial markets and public opinion polls, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev....

Yes Mr. Zero...we are tired of it all...but don't mistake that for just one side. You and your ilk are just as responsible. Now sit down and shut up and let the people be heard. Reign in your spending and stop with the My way or no way attitude . You loser of a leader.

Ann wrote:Yes Mr. Zero...we are tired of it all...but don't mistake that for just one side. You and your ilk are just as responsible. Now sit down and shut up and let the people be heard. Reign in your spending and stop with the My way or no way attitude . You loser of a leader.

Let's see now. Our President has compromised time and again. Both parties in the Senate have worked to craft a compromise bill. That bill is supported by the majority of the House. 50 wild hairs in the House have a temper tantrum unless they get their way in everything.

Wow, the Tea-Party-controlled Republican Party has become the biggest threat against the U.S. economy since corruption and unmitigated greed brought it down in 2008! This is like burning down your own house because you don't like the dollar a year fee your bank put on your mortgage.

Time to look at some recall efforts to remove some Tea Party members from office to prevent them from further terrorism against the middle class and United States Citizens!!

"Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, a tea party favorite, said he was not worried about the prospect of a U.S. default.

"We are going to service our debt," he told CNN. "But I am concerned about all the rhetoric around this ....I'm concerned that it will scare the markets."

King=rhetoric. Rep. King you are scaring the American people, we can't afford anymore of your irresponsible actions. All we've gotten from the Tea Party faithful has been hateful rhetoric and very little effort to make things work in government. And now they have a new leader to sign pledges to and walk lockstep in allegiance. Grover Norquist, Koch Brothers, DeMint. Do you guys ever think for yourselves?

All Boehner has to do is allow the House to vote on the CR sent to them by the Senate. There are now more than enough Republicans ready to end this idiocy to pass it. Yet the Tea Party faction would rather keep the government closed and default on our obligations than allow democracy to defeat them.

Boehner and his pack of Tea Party jackals have gone from worthless to destructive in terms of their stewardship of the government and best interests of Americans. They have clearly violated their oaths to the country. Hopefully people will remember next November.

Ann wrote:Yes Mr. Zero...we are tired of it all...but don't mistake that for just one side. You and your ilk are just as responsible. Now sit down and shut up and let the people be heard. Reign in your spending and stop with the My way or no way attitude . You loser of a leader.

Let's see now. Our President has compromised time and again. Both parties in the Senate have worked to craft a compromise bill. That bill is supported by the majority of the House. 50 wild hairs in the House have a temper tantrum unless they get their way in everything.

And this is our PRESIDENT'S fault.

Welcome to Oz.

It's BOTH the Congress and the President's fault that this country is in the shape it is in, financially and socially. Time for a CLEAN SWEEP of both parties. Too bad we don't have a viable third choice.

Everyone who supported the Tea Party is partly responsible for the mess created by these House extortionists. Will any stand up and take responsibility for what they've done? Or will they continue their cowardly attempts to spread, deflect and diffuse the blame? I'm betting on the latter.

locke-1 wrote:All Boehner has to do is allow the House to vote on the CR sent to them by the Senate. There are now more than enough Republicans ready to end this idiocy to pass it. Yet the Tea Party faction would rather keep the government closed and default on our obligations than allow democracy to defeat them.

Boehner and his pack of Tea Party jackals have gone from worthless to destructive in terms of their stewardship of the government and best interests of Americans. They have clearly violated their oaths to the country. Hopefully people will remember next November.

Boehner is considering cave.

Boehner has no choice. Boehner never intended to be the first House Speaker to force the country into a humiliating default. His big mistake was letting the TP take this as far as he did. He could have ended the madness before the government shutdown. He knew the shutdown would accomplish nothing except damage to his party. He may have been afraid for his job he may have been afraid of TP retaliation against moderate Republicans in primaries. In either case the country and the GOP has paid the price.

If this exercise repeats itself in January the GOP will lose and lose big. At the end of the day this country has no use for radicals or smarmy Texas senators.

Ann wrote:Yes Mr. Zero...we are tired of it all...but don't mistake that for just one side. You and your ilk are just as responsible. Now sit down and shut up and let the people be heard. Reign in your spending and stop with the My way or no way attitude . You loser of a leader.

Let's see now. Our President has compromised time and again. Both parties in the Senate have worked to craft a compromise bill. That bill is supported by the majority of the House. 50 wild hairs in the House have a temper tantrum unless they get their way in everything.

And this is our PRESIDENT'S fault.

Welcome to Oz.

It's BOTH the Congress and the President's fault that this country is in the shape it is in, financially and socially. Time for a CLEAN SWEEP of both parties. Too bad we don't have a viable third choice.

We are witnessing the third choice-the tea peoples party. Be careful what you wish for!

locke-1 wrote:Everyone who supported the Tea Party is partly responsible for the mess created by these House extortionists. Will any stand up and take responsibility for what they've done? Or will they continue their cowardly attempts to spread, deflect and diffuse the blame? I'm betting on the latter.

Considering that it was the majority of voters that gave house control back to the GOP in 2010, and the majority of voters that kept them in the house majority again in 2012, you must then be referring to the majority of voters, or the will of the electorate.

So we'll have to see what happens in 2014, but if the GOP remains in control of the house after the next election, then you'll just have to get used to not being among the majority.

"Of all the damage to be done politically here, one of the greatest concerns I have is that somehow John Boehner gets compromised," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a former House member and a Boehner supporter.

Reading between the lines; Lindsey Graham is now regretting the republican support of the TP candidates in the last two elections. Repubs in congress thought they could cajoul the TP wing more to their side and gambled on supporting them to gain control of the House, and now the old school repubs are regretting this decision because they were not able to cajoul the Koch brothers henchmen. Now the mainstream repubs are faced with a divided caucus and Boehner's power is in question. I can remember conservative political analysts on TV warning of this 5 or six years ago, but they were ignored. Now we have 40 or 50 twits in the House obstructing everything they can and the rest of the repubs wondering what the hell happened to their power and their party. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Extremism does not lend itself to moderation and compromise and never will. The republican party led itself down it's own path of ineffectiveness and now their crying wolf.

Incidentally the dems in Colorado have done the same thing with their ridiculous gun laws.

locke-1 wrote:Everyone who supported the Tea Party is partly responsible for the mess created by these House extortionists. Will any stand up and take responsibility for what they've done? Or will they continue their cowardly attempts to spread, deflect and diffuse the blame? I'm betting on the latter.

Considering that it was the majority of voters that gave house control back to the GOP in 2010, and the majority of voters that kept them in the house majority again in 2012, you must then be referring to the majority of voters, or the will of the electorate.

So we'll have to see what happens in 2014, but if the GOP remains in control of the house after the next election, then you'll just have to get used to not being among the majority.

Don't worry, the repubs will maintain control of the House. It's pretty much a guaranty after all the Gerry Mandering in TP states. Those districts are pretty well locked up TP seats. If the old school repubs want a chance to run the TP repubs out of their districts they will have to run moderate candidates who come accross as tough. As far as dems getting those seats, forget about it except for maybe one or two districts. Those districts are so rigged in conservatives favor it's not likely a dem will ever be elected again in those districts in the forseeable future.

locke-1 wrote:Everyone who supported the Tea Party is partly responsible for the mess created by these House extortionists. Will any stand up and take responsibility for what they've done? Or will they continue their cowardly attempts to spread, deflect and diffuse the blame? I'm betting on the latter.

Considering that it was the majority of voters that gave house control back to the GOP in 2010, and the majority of voters that kept them in the house majority again in 2012, you must then be referring to the majority of voters, or the will of the electorate.

So we'll have to see what happens in 2014, but if the GOP remains in control of the house after the next election, then you'll just have to get used to not being among the majority.

Dream on Tiger. Your reality bubble is breathtaking. Republicans got fewer votes in the House, Senate and presidential elections in 2012. You've confused gerrymandering with popularity. But with their newest methods of disgusting voters Republicans may all be looking back fondly at their 2012 shellacking once the 2014 results are in.

locke-1 wrote:Everyone who supported the Tea Party is partly responsible for the mess created by these House extortionists. Will any stand up and take responsibility for what they've done? Or will they continue their cowardly attempts to spread, deflect and diffuse the blame? I'm betting on the latter.

Considering that it was the majority of voters that gave house control back to the GOP in 2010, and the majority of voters that kept them in the house majority again in 2012, you must then be referring to the majority of voters, or the will of the electorate.

So we'll have to see what happens in 2014, but if the GOP remains in control of the house after the next election, then you'll just have to get used to not being among the majority.

Don't worry, the repubs will maintain control of the House. It's pretty much a guaranty after all the Gerry Mandering in TP states. Those districts are pretty well locked up TP seats. If the old school repubs want a chance to run the TP repubs out of their districts they will have to run moderate candidates who come accross as tough. As far as dems getting those seats, forget about it except for maybe one or two districts. Those districts are so rigged in conservatives favor it's not likely a dem will ever be elected again in those districts in the forseeable future.

So when the far left can't regain control of the house they lost, it's only because the GOP has rigged things?

It must be nice living in this fantasy world you've concocted. I hope the weather is nice there too.

Ann wrote:Yes Mr. Zero...we are tired of it all...but don't mistake that for just one side. You and your ilk are just as responsible. Now sit down and shut up and let the people be heard. Reign in your spending and stop with the My way or no way attitude . You loser of a leader.

Let's see now. Our President has compromised time and again. Both parties in the Senate have worked to craft a compromise bill. That bill is supported by the majority of the House. 50 wild hairs in the House have a temper tantrum unless they get their way in everything.

And this is our PRESIDENT'S fault.

Welcome to Oz.

It's BOTH the Congress and the President's fault that this country is in the shape it is in, financially and socially. Time for a CLEAN SWEEP of both parties. Too bad we don't have a viable third choice.

We are witnessing the third choice-the tea peoples party. Be careful what you wish for!

Like I said, a VIABLE third choice. I am a republican, I am not a Tea Party. A tea party is where a bunch of gossip mongers get together.

Everything changes, the republican party needs to let those who wish to be archaic go and change to meet the needs of those who want an alternative to the liberal giveaway of this country without the bible belt spouting 1900's approach to politics the tea party offers.

USA CDS is now +3.5bps at 39.5bps - not what one would expect given equity euphoria that it's all fixed............"

Edit add: You have seen this scenerio before. Each time the can is kicked the risk profile increases. Each time CDS is repriced higher. The slow upward exponential curve until the pain become unbearable. Think Greece, Portugal, Italy, etc.

Our International reputation has been irreparably harmed by this very ill advised Republican Nonsense: and THEY OWN IT!! Take the Chinese.....should not have invested a single penny in Communist China. BUT: they value STABILITY which all business values. Probably a reason we did that investment at our peril. We will now see the Chinese view that America is a Basket of Nut-Jobs who value Stability at "0" Expect Chinese initiatives in the monetary sphere in the coming months: they see us clearly for where we have come to!! Our Lady of Perpetual Instability: PRAY FOR US!!

Boehner's inability to produce a bill that could pass his own chamber likely means he will have to let the House vote on a Senate compromise, even if that means it would pass with strong Democratic and weak GOP support. House Republican leaders have tried to avoid that scenario for fear that it would threaten their leadership ...

So there you have it.

The Senate bill would very likely pass the House with a comfortable margin, but Boehner's speakership would then be in danger.

This is Boehner's moment. He can join the pyromaniac Tea Party wing of his party and drive the country over a cliff or he can (for once in his life) be a patriot and do the right thing.

Retaining his speakership could end up being like those 30 pieces of silver in the Bible. Boehner would be despised in history by all but a group of unhinged extortionists.