Starting immunizations now?

I was wondering if anyone else waited on immunizations? We have not done any vaccines with Malachi. After doing research, I was torn about doing them at all, but I was sure I wanted to wait until he was atleast a year old to allow his nuerological system to be more developed. Well, now he is one and I need to decided what to do. Any advice or websites you can direct me too would be great. I am considering doing the Dr. Sears alt. schedule, but I am also considering not doing the vacines at all...anyone else in the same boat?

Thanks!

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone else waited on immunizations? We have not done any vaccines with Malachi. After doing research, I was torn about doing them at all, but I was sure I wanted to wait until he was atleast a year old to allow his nuerological system to be more developed. Well, now he is one and I need to decided what to do. Any advice or websites you can direct me too would be great. I am considering doing the Dr. Sears alt. schedule, but I am also considering not doing the vacines at all...anyone else in the same boat?

Hey, mama! Just wanted to say that we still aren't going to vaccinate and feel pretty strongly that it's the right decision for us! Whatever you decide to do will be right for your family but I just wanted to offer some support if you do decide to not vax or to selectively do it. I know you'll have plenty of people tell you otherwise :-)

Definetly read all the books you can. I've heard great stuff about Dr Sears' book!

I recently discovered that Mothering Magazine has internet forums. One is called "I'm not vaccinating" and the other is "select/delayed vaccinating". They are great for info as well as people's personal accounts of when their child came do with vaccine "preventable" diseases and how they came through it (as well as tips to recognize the disease and what herbs/supplements/foods to eat to boost the immune system).

Hey, mama! Just wanted to say that we still aren't going to vaccinate and feel pretty strongly that it's the right decision for us! Whatever you decide to do will be right for your family but I just wanted to offer some support if you do decide to not vax or to selectively do it. I know you'll have plenty of people tell you otherwise :-)

Definetly read all the books you can. I've heard great stuff about Dr Sears' book!

I recently discovered that Mothering Magazine has internet forums. One is called "I'm not vaccinating" and the other is "select/delayed vaccinating". They are great for info as well as people's personal accounts of when their child came do with vaccine "preventable" diseases and how they came through it (as well as tips to recognize the disease and what herbs/supplements/foods to eat to boost the immune system).

Jericho Fury... Born under water into his daddy's hands on 6.15.2009. 7lbs 3oz, 19.5in

Check out my blog deticated to natural mothering:

wombknittings.blogspot.com I'm a postpartum doula- blissandblues.com

From:
blondie7027

To: bellyluv

Posted: Jul-15 01:02 PM (3 of 27)

I have always thought immunization where important for my child so she didn't die of anything that could have been prevented. We started our immunization when we were supposed to. Sorry wish I could help you.

In looking at stats just think as well if you would like to worry about your child acquiring a illness like measles/mumps that could have been prevented with the immunizations. Sometimes Stats are not everything.......go with your motherly instincts too. Only you can do what is best for your child.

Good Luck momma!

I have always thought immunization where important for my child so she didn't die of anything that could have been prevented. We started our immunization when we were supposed to. Sorry wish I could help you.

In looking at stats just think as well if you would like to worry about your child acquiring a illness like measles/mumps that could have been prevented with the immunizations. Sometimes Stats are not everything.......go with your motherly instincts too. Only you can do what is best for your child.

Thank you :) There are very strong arguments on both sides. I fully agree that parents should do their research and make an informed decision for their family and the wellbeing of their child. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Thank you :) There are very strong arguments on both sides. I fully agree that parents should do their research and make an informed decision for their family and the wellbeing of their child. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

We ended up going ahead with vaccinations for both of our boys, but I strongly recommend the book on vaccinations written by Aviva Jill Romm. It had the most balanced view of pros and cons that I've found anywhere. The Dr. Sears book was good as well.

We ended up going ahead with vaccinations for both of our boys, but I strongly recommend the book on vaccinations written by Aviva Jill Romm. It had the most balanced view of pros and cons that I've found anywhere. The Dr. Sears book was good as well.

I would also suggest looking into laws where you live. Do you plan to homeschool? Where I live a child cannot go to public school without immunizations. It brings up alot more issues when you think about having to educate them at home and how you might feel about the lack of social learning.

I would also suggest looking into laws where you live. Do you plan to homeschool? Where I live a child cannot go to public school without immunizations. It brings up alot more issues when you think about having to educate them at home and how you might feel about the lack of social learning.

While i am not fond of the "younger" immunizations such as chicken pox and the recent flu vaccines, why would anyone not want to immunize their kids and not keep them from getting diseases that have been almost rid of? The shots that children get are shots that prevent serious and deadly diseases. Further, by not immunizing children, it puts innocent babies at risk that cannot fight such disease that have been exposed. A lot of the immunization hoopla started when the Englishmen made a false connection between the DPT and autism. It has been proven that there is no such connection and in fact, he is now under investigation and being charged. I respect mother's rights to take care of their child as they say fit, but i worry when such decisions could put a loved one of mine at risk. Because of people not wanting to immunize since the autism fears, for example, polio has come back, a disease that was almost gone...I suggest thoroughly researching and also deciding whether or not you are sending your kids to public school or not because most schools require them, even the dreaded chicken pox vaccine that i am squeamish about for some reason :)just my opinionTracy

While i am not fond of the "younger" immunizations such as chicken pox and the recent flu vaccines, why would anyone not want to immunize their kids and not keep them from getting diseases that have been almost rid of? The shots that children get are shots that prevent serious and deadly diseases. Further, by not immunizing children, it puts innocent babies at risk that cannot fight such disease that have been exposed. A lot of the immunization hoopla started when the Englishmen made a false connection between the DPT and autism. It has been proven that there is no such connection and in fact, he is now under investigation and being charged. I respect mother's rights to take care of their child as they say fit, but i worry when such decisions could put a loved one of mine at risk. Because of people not wanting to immunize since the autism fears, for example, polio has come back, a disease that was almost gone...I suggest thoroughly researching and also deciding whether or not you are sending your kids to public school or not because most schools require them, even the dreaded chicken pox vaccine that i am squeamish about for some reason :)just my opinionTracy

Your comments are the reason I do not take this decision lightly by any means. I do not want to put my child or anyone elses at risk. Still, I think that there are some legit concerns about vaccines other than the whole autism issue that as you mentioned has not been proven. Vaccines can affect kids differently and I think that the overall idea is great, but how they are made and the actual ingredients in them are questionable. I also believe that there are other factors involved in why so many diseases that were horrific in the past have declined as well as why some have come back in addition to vaccines. Another reason I'm at least questioning it is b/c I know that vaccines, antibiotics and the field of medicine in general is a big $ business and there is a lot of profit at stake when ppl opt out. Just looking at the changes with the birth process over time is an example of how much making money has trumped best practice and natural process. Just my 2 cents, but by no means am I tryign to be careless or put anyone at a health risk. I am looking fully into both sides as much as I can...

Your comments are the reason I do not take this decision lightly by any means. I do not want to put my child or anyone elses at risk. Still, I think that there are some legit concerns about vaccines other than the whole autism issue that as you mentioned has not been proven. Vaccines can affect kids differently and I think that the overall idea is great, but how they are made and the actual ingredients in them are questionable. I also believe that there are other factors involved in why so many diseases that were horrific in the past have declined as well as why some have come back in addition to vaccines. Another reason I'm at least questioning it is b/c I know that vaccines, antibiotics and the field of medicine in general is a big $ business and there is a lot of profit at stake when ppl opt out. Just looking at the changes with the birth process over time is an example of how much making money has trumped best practice and natural process. Just my 2 cents, but by no means am I tryign to be careless or put anyone at a health risk. I am looking fully into both sides as much as I can...

and i thoroughly respect your right to question. as a parent,we cannot blindly stand in line and shake our heads, not questioning everything that everyone says we should do...THAT would be negligent. What i think you may want to do is to, rather than read a pro and a con article or book read something from the AMA journal....read something that deals more with the facts than the opinions and thoughts...and also, i encourage you to read about the history of the vaccines...where they began, how the disease was, how it almost left the earth (except Africa, i believe) and all that stuff...whooping cough is coming back again too, mostly because of adults not getting an updated vaccine and passing it to babies..

i get what you mean in many ways..but how terrible it would be if your child ever, God forbid, acquired any of the diseases you are normally immunized for. Good luck to you in your decision making.. :)

and i thoroughly respect your right to question. as a parent,we cannot blindly stand in line and shake our heads, not questioning everything that everyone says we should do...THAT would be negligent. What i think you may want to do is to, rather than read a pro and a con article or book read something from the AMA journal....read something that deals more with the facts than the opinions and thoughts...and also, i encourage you to read about the history of the vaccines...where they began, how the disease was, how it almost left the earth (except Africa, i believe) and all that stuff...whooping cough is coming back again too, mostly because of adults not getting an updated vaccine and passing it to babies..

i get what you mean in many ways..but how terrible it would be if your child ever, God forbid, acquired any of the diseases you are normally immunized for. Good luck to you in your decision making.. :)

Hey! Just sharing a different veiw here! I hope this comes out as respectful as I feel. I also hope I don't rabit trail too much as I am soooo tired (teething baby) :-)

I, for one, am an non vaxing mom that doesn't really believe autism is caused by the MMR. However, I do believe the toxins from the vaccine, as well as the toxins in th air and our food can certain trigger/aggrevate it.Â There are a lot of other reasons why we choose to not vax.Â

Here's just one thing I can point out. I'm choosing this because I just read about it an hour ago. There is currently a Pertussis outbreak going on in CA. The areas where this is occuring havingÂ nearly a 100% vax rate. Why the outbreak among vaccinated individuals? TheÂ CDC themselves has stated that, "The reemergence of pertussis has been attributed to various factors, including increased awareness, improved diagnostics, decreased vaccination coverage, suboptimal vaccines, waning vaccine-induced immunity, and pathogen adaptation ... Pathogen adaptation is supported by several observations."

A little known fact about the pertussis vaccine: it does NOT protect babies from transmission.Â Even being vaxed you can 'catch' pertussis and spread it around. It lessens the severity of the disease to where you might not even notice that you have it.

"The absence of vaccine-induced bactericidal activity in vitro is consistent with the observation that the pertussis vaccine is effective at preventing severe disease, likely due to pertussis toxin neutralization and blocking attachment to reduce bacterial colonization, but it is less effective at producing a sterilizing immune response (5, 18). Despite high vaccination rates, the number of reported cases of pertussis in the United States has increased steadily since the 1980s (22). Developing a pertussis vaccine with a greater potential to elicit bactericidal activity could reduce bacterial carriage and reduce the incidence of disease. " quoted from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC529164/

As far as the Vaxes causing the decline in illnesses, I'm one that believes improved hygiene, heightened awareness of the nature of disease and the natural disease life span are to blame. Sure, Dr's are quick to show graphs of various disease dying out not long after the vaccine was made available. This is a smokescreen. If you were to "zoom out" and look at the life of the disease decades before the vaccine was made available, you would see the disease was already on it's way out. Natural disease die off. I wish I had time to find links but I need a andÂ don't have much time to do it!!

Who's to say that we're healthier nowadays with all of our medical advances? I don't much buy it, personally.Â The state of our country is pitiful. "We have more asthma, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, depression, arthritis, allergies, digestive disorders, and obesity than ever before in history. Our children are fatter, sicker and dumber than ever before." Tim O'Shea, author of Vaccination is not Immuni$ation.

I have more faith in boosting my son's (and ours) immune system naturally through diet and general healthy living than I do in any medicine out there :-) OK, I gotta go take a nap!!!

Hey! Just sharing a different veiw here! I hope this comes out as respectful as I feel. I also hope I don't rabit trail too much as I am soooo tired (teething baby) :-)

I, for one, am an non vaxing mom that doesn't really believe autism is caused by the MMR. However, I do believe the toxins from the vaccine, as well as the toxins in th air and our food can certain trigger/aggrevate it.Â There are a lot of other reasons why we choose to not vax.Â

Here's just one thing I can point out. I'm choosing this because I just read about it an hour ago. There is currently a Pertussis outbreak going on in CA. The areas where this is occuring havingÂ nearly a 100% vax rate. Why the outbreak among vaccinated individuals? TheÂ CDC themselves has stated that, "The reemergence of pertussis has been attributed to various factors, including increased awareness, improved diagnostics, decreased vaccination coverage, suboptimal vaccines, waning vaccine-induced immunity, and pathogen adaptation ... Pathogen adaptation is supported by several observations."

A little known fact about the pertussis vaccine: it does NOT protect babies from transmission.Â Even being vaxed you can 'catch' pertussis and spread it around. It lessens the severity of the disease to where you might not even notice that you have it.

"The absence of vaccine-induced bactericidal activity in vitro is consistent with the observation that the pertussis vaccine is effective at preventing severe disease, likely due to pertussis toxin neutralization and blocking attachment to reduce bacterial colonization, but it is less effective at producing a sterilizing immune response (5, 18). Despite high vaccination rates, the number of reported cases of pertussis in the United States has increased steadily since the 1980s (22). Developing a pertussis vaccine with a greater potential to elicit bactericidal activity could reduce bacterial carriage and reduce the incidence of disease. " quoted from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC529164/

As far as the Vaxes causing the decline in illnesses, I'm one that believes improved hygiene, heightened awareness of the nature of disease and the natural disease life span are to blame. Sure, Dr's are quick to show graphs of various disease dying out not long after the vaccine was made available. This is a smokescreen. If you were to "zoom out" and look at the life of the disease decades before the vaccine was made available, you would see the disease was already on it's way out. Natural disease die off. I wish I had time to find links but I need a andÂ don't have much time to do it!!

Who's to say that we're healthier nowadays with all of our medical advances? I don't much buy it, personally.Â The state of our country is pitiful. "We have more asthma, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, depression, arthritis, allergies, digestive disorders, and obesity than ever before in history. Our children are fatter, sicker and dumber than ever before." Tim O'Shea, author of Vaccination is not Immuni$ation.

I have more faith in boosting my son's (and ours) immune system naturally through diet and general healthy living than I do in any medicine out there :-) OK, I gotta go take a nap!!!

Jericho Fury... Born under water into his daddy's hands on 6.15.2009. 7lbs 3oz, 19.5in

Check out my blog deticated to natural mothering:

wombknittings.blogspot.com I'm a postpartum doula- blissandblues.com

From:
hethir

To: phillygirl505

Posted: Jul-15 04:43 PM (17 of 27)

Hey, I have the world's WORST memory when it comes to details but I think I remembered that you were the one I was talking to a while back about being a nurse and autism the Amish? Was it you? I can't remember, I'm seriously sorry!!!

Hey, I have the world's WORST memory when it comes to details but I think I remembered that you were the one I was talking to a while back about being a nurse and autism the Amish? Was it you? I can't remember, I'm seriously sorry!!!

Jericho Fury... Born under water into his daddy's hands on 6.15.2009. 7lbs 3oz, 19.5in

Check out my blog deticated to natural mothering:

wombknittings.blogspot.com I'm a postpartum doula- blissandblues.com

From:
TysMommyJessica

To: bellyluv

Posted: Jul-15 04:45 PM (18 of 27)

I would definitely do a thorough check into what each vaccine is for specifically. If you chose not to get the chicken pox vaccine (which honestly is something that confuses me because I thought you were SUPPOSED to get chicken pox as a kid so you didn't have to worry about getting it as an adult and dying!!! I mean sure they're itchy which sucks, but what kid doesn't love a couple of days out of school? lol) I think that would be fine. But another vaccine for a serious illness that could put your baby AND other babies' lives in danger would probably be on the list of vaccines to get! And probably polio too. That's a scary one!!! LOL!

I know for sure that we will NOT be vaxing Ty for the flu again this season. After the reaction he had to it this year, I will NOT be putting my poor baby through that again until he's older at which point we'll do it and see how he reacts. I have A LOT of thinking to do about whether or not I want Duck to get the flu vaccine after what happened to my poor Stinky baby!

I would definitely do a thorough check into what each vaccine is for specifically. If you chose not to get the chicken pox vaccine (which honestly is something that confuses me because I thought you were SUPPOSED to get chicken pox as a kid so you didn't have to worry about getting it as an adult and dying!!! I mean sure they're itchy which sucks, but what kid doesn't love a couple of days out of school? lol) I think that would be fine. But another vaccine for a serious illness that could put your baby AND other babies' lives in danger would probably be on the list of vaccines to get! And probably polio too. That's a scary one!!! LOL!

I know for sure that we will NOT be vaxing Ty for the flu again this season. After the reaction he had to it this year, I will NOT be putting my poor baby through that again until he's older at which point we'll do it and see how he reacts. I have A LOT of thinking to do about whether or not I want Duck to get the flu vaccine after what happened to my poor Stinky baby!

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