I have always used Andy Cauble at Walker 47 in Anaheim for out of state purchases and FTF transfers. $50. plus Dros.
Andy is a great guy with a store front gun shop and very accommodating.
Walker 47
1201 E. Ball Rd.
Anaheim, Ca.
714-533-1200info@walker47.com

Second Amendment Sports / 760.200.4867 $40 / $100 If you want to transfer in a gun that they carry for sale. Private party transfers (both parties onsite) are just $10, $35 with the DROS fee and no sales tax for instate transfers.

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Guns Direct in Burbank is $80+Dros. Not sure if I can really do better considering the cost of gas both ways.

It depends on where you live. Sales tax is less in Ventura County, as well as fees being less.

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Also I'm new to CA but whats with the tax collection on transfers? How can they verify the amount of a private sale? Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?

The CA FFL has to collect sales tax. Trying to avoid it is tax evasion and posting about trying to do that on a public forum is not a good idea. If you cause a problem for the FFL, the FFL might refuse to do the transfer and that could cost you a lot more.

Sales tax is a CA BOE issue, not IRS.

I personally hate having to collect the sales tax, but worse than that are those who try to put the FFL is a very bad position.

It depends on where you live. Sales tax is less in Ventura County, as well as fees being less.

The CA FFL has to collect sales tax. Trying to avoid it is tax evasion and posting about trying to do that on a public forum is not a good idea. If you cause a problem for the FFL, the FFL might refuse to do the transfer and that could cost you a lot more.

Sales tax is a CA BOE issue, not IRS.

I personally hate having to collect the sales tax, but worse than that are those who try to put the FFL is a very bad position.

I didn't mean to solicit any advice that would not be legal. I was just curious how or if CA FFLs verify private party selling prices. Do they ignore the actual sales price(which can be difficult or impossible to verify) and just use a median value for the item?

I thought there was a federal case that concluded that states cannot collect sales tax for out of state purchases?

Edit: anyway I get the FFLs probably don't want to stand up to this just to draw attention to their business with no real gain for business. I'm still just curious about the thought process and actual regulation and precedent that supports the status quo.

Hmmm, look at what you wrote: "Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?". Do you think that a way around it would be legal? Really?

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I was just curious how or if CA FFLs verify private party selling prices. Do they ignore the actual sales price(which can be difficult or impossible to verify) and just use a median value for the item?

A receipt, an auction web listing, etc. If they ask for proof of what it sold for or if the proof seems to be bogus, the FFL could use MSRP or some high amount to ensure that it is not too low. Or the FFL could refuse to do the transfer.

I had one case where the selling FFL gave a bogus receipt. The original invoice from the distributor was accidentally included, which showed a lower amount. The firearms almost ended up with the police, but the buyers, who did not seem to be part of it (yes, a bit strange), provided copies of their checks. I, as a FFL, will not take the risk of owing money because someone wants to save a little bit of money.

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I thought there was a federal case that concluded that states cannot collect sales tax for out of state purchases?

While you paid for it, CA does not consider it to be sold until it is transferred by a CA retailer or sold by a CA retailer.

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Edit: anyway I get the FFLs probably don't want to stand up to this just to draw attention to their business with no real gain for business. I'm still just curious about the thought process and actual regulation and president that supports the status quo.

It is the customers who are out the money and who would have to stand up against it, but typically the customers think that the FFL should be the one to do something about it.

Hmmm, look at what you wrote: "Is there a way around it without too much hassle with the IRS?". Do you think that a way around it would be legal? Really?

Well laws are not always so clear cut, especially tax law and internet tax law. I figured I'd ask but now realize I could have worded it better.

And technically speaking, if a buyer lies to an FFL(concerning the sale price), who's liable, the buyer or the FFL or both? Especially in the case you mentioned where the other dealer falsified their documents.

And technically speaking, if a buyer lies to an FFL(concerning the sale price), who's liable, the buyer or the FFL or both? Especially in the case you mentioned where the other dealer falsified their documents.

The FFL is responsible for submitting the correct sales tax. I was told by the CA BOE that it did not matter if the FFL received a bogus receipt and had no idea that it was not correct. If it was found that not enough sales tax was paid, the FFL would owe it.

In the case of penny auction, the amount owed is based on the TOTAL the company receives on the auction (all bids). Since the company will not say how much they received, the FFL has to base it on the maximum amount possible (or refuse to do the transfer). So if the highest cost of a bid is $1, that would mean that if the auction was "won" for $10, that would be a possible total of $1000, plus the $10 plus the shipping. The problem is that customers think that they should only pay based on the $10.

This is why a FFL should not take any chances with respect to sales tax.

I've been considering buying a gun through mail-order but finding a FFL that is inexpensive is very difficult in the San Francisco Bay Area. Most places charge around $75 fee plus $25 DROS. And that is if they even provide the FFL service.

I wanted to give a shout out to Matt at Fairfield Pawn where I did a PPT for my 1976 Colt Python. The person whom i bought the gun from has used Fairfield Pawn for several other transactions so I trusted him for suggesting a pawn shop. After meeting Matt and visiting the small store, I felt very confident leaving my prized possession in Matts care. Very friendly and clean shop. I would definitely do more transactions through Fairfield Pawn.

When I picked up my Python, I was hanging out shooting the breeze with Matt for about 15 minutes. I saw a posted sign with their FFL fees. I couldn't believe it was just $20. Of course you still have to pay the $25 DROS but it is definitely worth the drive.

I've been considering buying a gun through mail-order but finding a FFL that is inexpensive is very difficult in the San Francisco Bay Area. Most places charge around $75 fee plus $25 DROS. And that is if they even provide the FFL service.
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When I picked up my Python, I was hanging out shooting the breeze with Matt for about 15 minutes. I saw a posted sign with their FFL fees. I couldn't believe it was just $20. Of course you still have to pay the $25 DROS but it is definitely worth the drive.

$20 is dirt cheap.
Normally, you're only going to get rates like that from "kitchen table" FFLs.

The most reasonable in SoCal (metro) is around $55. $75 is not cheap, but not unreasonable given the market.
We have a lot that charge $125+... they don't really want to do them, so they are going to make it worth their while.

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