Originally by:Galandole TsuramanandaUGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO--

What? We don't have to buy it?

You sure?

so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there?

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:08:00 -
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I've decided to add another post to this threadnought for CCP to see that those prices are ridiculous. I cannot say that I was going to buy all of the stuff from the shop, but I was planning to buy something from time to time... I thougth that prices on clothes would be around 200-500 aur/piece and that was acceptable. With single items costing more than one plex you will not get that money from me.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:08:00 -
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Srsly, CCP. NEX's prices are just a bad joke?! I mean what do you expect of this?I feel like being farmed by you in terms of money...Where is the cancel sub button?

Originally by:Galandole TsuramanandaUGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO--

What? We don't have to buy it?

You sure?

so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there?

No, I don't have to buy that taco because I can make a ****ing sandwich (aka not spend money on the problem), because I'm not being forced to buy the taco.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:11:00 -
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I honestly feel betrayed to have to make this post. Not because I was looking forward particularly to the NEX (I'd rather buy games off Steam, or magic cards, things I'll get more use out of - I plan on sustaining myself solely off ISK in this game eventually) nor because I like the idea of MT at all. I feel betrayed because, as recently as a few weeks ago, I had basically given EVE my implicit trust that regardless of how well their ideas worked out, their intentions were good. Of the game companies out there, basically only two others have managed to be worthy of that - Valve and CD Projekt RED. Now, my personal opinion isn't worth much on the public stage, but I wanted to say that just to illustrate how high I held CCP in my eyes, prior to this absolute **** up.

So, now, I feel like an ass. You went and made a liar of me within a month of my coming back to a game I only left for lack of time, and loved even in that year away. If you defend these prices, not only are you indefensible but you're irredeemably greedy. Reaching too far, making a critical mistake - these things are forgiveable if you fix the problem. Standing by it isn't.

All I'll say in closing is that a company far larger than you, with a far larger margin of "acceptable loss" to a new change, was beaten into submission by its own playerbase when they made a decision that playerbase reviled. The Real ID scandal should've been a lesson, and a cautionary tale, not just some forgotten footnote. But I won't try and make any far-reaching claims on behalf of other people that if you misstep further, we'll all quit playing. That's silly and I can't speak for those people.

For myself, though, much as it would pain me (because I truly do love this game), if you do go any further with this in a direction I disapprove of, I'll have to vote with my wallet. Whether that means anything in the grand scheme of things, who knows. But the ball's in your court.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 -
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The problem is not that we should be happy because we're not forced to buy, but that we should be sad because we can't :'(They're announcing a "great functionnality", but no one can enjoy it unless they're fat rich, so that's why there is such a ruckus, at 300 AUR any one could buy these stuff and would be happy with it... I guess :D

Originally by:Galandole TsuramanandaUGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO--

What? We don't have to buy it?

You sure?

so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there?

No, I don't have to buy that taco because I can make a ****ing sandwich (aka not spend money on the problem), because I'm not being forced to buy the taco.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:13:00 -
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as usual i'd bet this slipped through Q&A. they wanted to have a discount sale but somebody messed up and instead of making everything 10% cheaper, they made everything 1000% more expensive. wait for the next patch.//sometimes less is more...zero

Originally by:VasenticClearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer.

This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf

if that's the case then their must be an unbelievable amount of plex sitting around unused for them to sell any noticeable amount of clothing.If they want most players to customise their chars then the price needs to be 3 orders of mag lower...

I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate?

^This

Everyone was moaning and *****ing about the market prices for plex prior to Incarna. Can you imagine how fast they would go through the roof if everyone bought one just to convert it to Aurum?

Originally by:Vin HellsingThere are people like me who have a very low ingame income, and cannot afford to be spending every waking hour trying to sc**** together what little ISK we can. We have lives.

Than no monocle for you right now. Life is not fair, Eve is not fair. It's dog eat dog. To be rich, there are sacrifices. Or not, for some lucky privileged SOB's out there. However you get your isk, or whether you don't at all, isn't something CCP's going to worry about. They've given everyone the same set of tools for you to do whatever with, some people have lives and play casually and are more restricted to content, which is fine. Others are hardcore with 6 accounts running at once missioning, mining, whatever, or they simply have l33t real life jobs and sell plexes to buy all their ships (who do you think puts these thousands of plexes on the market to begin with??). This economic reality has been around since the beginnings of the plex system, I really think its only now hitting players what isk means in terms of RL cash, and causing these psychobilly freakouts. But its old news.

I'll share with you an important lesson - if you have a very low in-game income, you're either really new to the game, and I can guarantee you that will change with time, or you're simply failing bad and its hard to have pity.

Even if you're a casual player, monocles aren't impossible. You can make a billion+ in a day easy (As in 12 hours or less). With one toon. One account. No bots. Plenty of players out there are playing for free via the plex system, taking a single long night or a single weekend day a month to pay for their accounts.

Keep your chin up, you'll get that monocle someday! And not have to sacrifice your RL to do it. Unless you're bad at Eve.

Originally by:VasenticClearly this was designed as an isk sink from the start and I do not think CCP realistically thinks people will BUY plexes to pay for this garbage. If they do then please stop by my place so I can smack you in the head repeatedly with a sledge hammer.

This is most likely just to siphon isk out of the market as CCP seems to have been doing since the 0.0 and mission nerf

if that's the case then their must be an unbelievable amount of plex sitting around unused for them to sell any noticeable amount of clothing.If they want most players to customise their chars then the price needs to be 3 orders of mag lower...

I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate?

^This

Everyone was moaning and *****ing about the market prices for plex prior to Incarna. Can you imagine how fast they would go through the roof if everyone bought one just to convert it to Aurum?

Yes, but the general aim isn't to start a a price where nobody at all will buy the product. They're not items that will imbalance the game or affect the 'real' eve market (ships, etc).

If the items are easily destroyed, then prices will be low as there will be repeat purchases. As they aren't, prices are stupidly high.

Unless the store has a MASSIVE expansion of available items, prices will stay high. At the moment, with at most 5 usable items (female), if a single plex could have bought them all, the NEX would be pointless as a lot of people would probably have been willing to sink 1 PLEX into it. I reckon 100 items usable per gender would have dropped prices to 10% of current.

It does get ridiculous when the "men's sterling Dress Shirt (olive)" costs more $ than the Amarr T-shirt

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 -
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Aurum should be brought for straight rl currency, having no involvement with isk and plex at all until people put up the items on the market.

Prices should match those of games with MT stores - for instance league of legends you can buy a character skin for roughly z2 a pop, working with the current prices CCP have is just like wtf...

The people arguing "lol you don't have enough isk to afford it QQ more" have got the wrong idea entirely, the whole point of MT is to pay for things with real money on a 'micro' scale, paying small amounts for a piece of vanity. I don't expect to be paying more than my monthly subscription for a pair of boots.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 -
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I'm hoping that the astronomical prices of vanity items are only a temporary measure to prevent excessive spikes in PLEX pricing. Expensive vanity items are bad, but having to pay 600kk ISK for a PLEX would be much, much worse. Hopefully the clothes introduced in the future will be cheaper with each iteration. I still hope that CCP is sensible and has the bigger picture in view at all times. Please CCP, don't let me down.

Originally by:SuitoniaI'm really disappointed in the prices, even more disappointed that the developers wasted their time not balancing the game and designing this waste of money.

No balance changes since December 2009, except of course for the minor rockets tweak in incursion.

LOL @ "balancing" in Eve. I hate to break it to you, but CCP never intended to make a game that is fair. Pretty sure the whole sandbox blob-if-you-have-1000-friends-and-roflstomp everyone factor has been in there from day 1.

The metagaming and endless ability to gank and be ganked is what seperates Eve from other MMO's. You may not like it, but that's the game. CCP allows, enables, and encourages this.

If you want fairness, or at least an insane ongoing attempt at producing homogenized "balanced" gameplay, there are other games that cater to this.

Originally by:YldradI don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff.

If it's to expensive, nobody buy it so micro-transaction will be a big fail and a big win for EvE Online no?

The point is that they think these prices are reasonable, that they are wasting dev time on this, and what it means for the direction CCP is taking. I dont even give a **** that im training T2 guns anymore in 3 weeks... thats how bad i think this all is, i unsubbed. On top of that, they just killed any anticipation i had over World of Darkness just thinking how they will gouge prices there. Masterstroke right there.

But hey, i dont give a **** about Dust not coming to PC anymore, so thats good right?

So a set of clothing (probably made by robots for 0.00001 ISK) is somehow worth more than a mile-long carrier hull based on the exchange rate. Way to break immersion on top of every thing else that fails SO HARD about this mess of MT rubbish.

Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 -
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One request, if these prices do stay this high can CCP add in a 'point and laugh' emote for when we get a chance to interact with anybody dumb enough to buy these items.

Oh yeah and monocle or death ? ...hmm... death please , it's like a reverse Eddie Izzard or something.

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