No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

Paul is not a false apostle. He wrote half the NT and was accepted by all early Christians before Rome was even Catholic.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2580226

That is your opinion just like I have mine . I do not agree with that . Who do you think Yeshua was alluding to in Revelation ?

I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. Revelation 2:2

No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So Paul wasnt a disciple of Jesus? How about the other disciples stories that were conveniently omitted from the final draft. If it were TRULY the word of God then how would it be possible to change it?! Why not tell the WHOLE story instead of picking and choosing what works best for you at the time! That is NOT history!

Oh so now people are debating opinions now. That's nice, except that I have those videos with claims and citations that you could check to actually verify who's right and wrong.

Like the claim that all those burned cities were Nephilim, well the problem is that basically yo just proved the CONETS video right. If it makes your religion look good you believed without question, but you needed to invent some reason why the bad stuff was actually not bad. You pick and choose what to subject to interpretation, that doesn't work.

People who post alleged Bible contradictions without rebuttal, WANT the alleged contradictions to be true.

The Bible consists of two main sections and those sections are NOT Old Testament and New Testament. The two sections are "the core" and "the controversy".

The core is the main message which I'm sure even pro-active atheists all know.

Everything else is the controversy.

We are saved by the core, we expose our wickedness by ignoring the core and only focusing on the controversy.

Multiple versions is part of the controversy. Alleged contradictions are part of the controversy.

I know how many alleged contradictions there are. Do you? There are approximately 180 - 182! Each one of those alleged contradictions has a controversial surface meaning and a logically acceptable hidden meaning that only a real heart-felt search for the truth will reveal.

On the day of judgement, Go might say: "Well, congratulations, you have become an expert in the surface meanings of my controversy. Now let's get right to it shall we...what did you do with the core?"

Every atheist on the planet knows what I have just posted is true. And they will of course give a controversial and surface rendering of that. Because that's what atheists do for a living...they skim the surface!

So your god is so powerful that mere men could add and/or subtract from his holy book? How come he couldn't stop them? Perhaps he allowed it? Speaks well of an all powerful or all knowing god, doesnt it. A god that is spontaneous.

Quoting: Ohwell

God tests his people all the time to see who is obedient to his Word and who truly loves him .

James 1:12 "God blesses those who Patiently Endure TESTING and TEMPTATION. Afterward they will receive the CROWN OF LIFE that God has promised to those who love Him."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

You didnt answer my question.

How come he couldn't stop them? Perhaps he allowed it?

On one hand you blame the catholic church and say everything is perfect except for what they did and then again you say its a test by god.

Here's your quote:

No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

The video of OP kind of illustrates your thinking pattern.

Quoting: Ohwell

The Almighty Creator of the Universe could not stop them ? lol please , don't be silly ! In the OT , there is a story that the book of the Law was lost for a whole generation and God could have easily told one of the Prophets about it but he didn't because it is our duty and responsibility to guard and test the Word . And what I said did not contradict itself , why can't it be both ?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So the addition of Paul's part by the catholic church makes the bible somewhat incomplete and contradictory but an incomplete/contradictory bible was allowed by god but yet remain a test even though the bible isnt complete? Is that what you are saying? Yet you state that if you take Paul's part out that the bible flows. So where is the test here and who is being contradictory beyond the contradictory level of the bible?

I love threads like this. They get everyone so riled up and then their true beliefs and values come out instead of just the words they speak. You can really tell what type of person someone is when you get them mad.

Fact: Man fails to grasp spiritual matters and takes things out of context to excuse his sinful nature.

Any Christian who can not see the fulfillment of Bible Prophesies during these days we are living in, hasn't really read a Bible in their lives.

As for the rest, of course they are going to reject God's Command to Repent of their sins and ridicule any suggestion that they do so.

Your soul, your loss!

Quoting: TCS

Every generation since the dawn of religion has felt that THEY are living in the end times! Its human nature! Every generation can look at occurrences in the world at that time and say this is what the Bible is talking about so everyone must repent and blah blah blah!! Im sure the end times will eventually come but it wont have a thing to do with the Bible!

No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So Paul wasnt a disciple of Jesus? How about the other disciples stories that were conveniently omitted from the final draft. If it were TRULY the word of God then how would it be possible to change it?! Why not tell the WHOLE story instead of picking and choosing what works best for you at the time! That is NOT history!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2386473

Where did I say he wasn't one ? I said Apostle , big difference ! And testing false Prophets does not equate to picking and choosing .

So now I have to wonder if all the people down rating this thread are more evidence that a believer only accept things about their beliefs that make them look good and then damn everything that makes them look bad even if both sides of the coin are true. Again, this behavior would be very predictable from the faithful as their belief system is there to give them a sense of self confidence and often little more. So anything that threatens that self confidence must be bad and must be eliminated and treated as the enemy. Although this is in general and exists on a spectrum, as some do indeed try to embody those good qualities as opposed to just talking about them.

I mean I'm not a professional licensed psychologist or anything but hey observations are observations and data is data and patterns are patterns.

Quoting: Reiz

It's not really a matter of appearances.

I couldn't care less what you think of me because I believe what the bible says and I believe in JESUS.

From what I can tell, the entire purpose of this thread is to try to make Christians look bad,(and it's a fail.)

There are things that seem to be contradictions, but as a person presses on and studies prayerfully, it comes together.

I know that you don't believe that because you've never done it... as you stated in the original message, (you don't own a bible.)

Perhaps before you make unfounded accusations you would do well to seek and search it out for yourself. It's not just a matter of reading it, it's a heart matter...that's all I will say on that.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

since i have dealt with suppossed contradictions in the scripture, not one of them changes the message from the beginning, the very beginning, and those citing them don't understand either the original language or are just plain stupid...like the accounts of Paul and the first vision, look it up in the original and no contradiction...

Consider

The first word of scripture in the bible.

Translated In the Beginning / Bet Resh Aleph Shin Yod Tav

Bet the first letter in Hebrew, means a house

Since a house is something you go into, when Bet prefixes a word it means "in"

The first and second letter of Scripture Bet Resh = Son - like as in Bar Mitzah

First three Bet Resh Aleph = Created Formed

In the beginning House Son Created

the last letter of the first three/ aleph and the first letter of the second Shin spells out the word for "Gift

the Yod is a Hand, with a peg - nail

Shin Yod Tav spells out the word Appointed.

First word of Scripture

In the Beginning house Son Created, Gift hand nailed appointed.

this here is also amazing the last letter of first Three is the First letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the last letter of the second is the last letter of the alphabet

God tests his people all the time to see who is obedient to his Word and who truly loves him .

James 1:12 "God blesses those who Patiently Endure TESTING and TEMPTATION. Afterward they will receive the CROWN OF LIFE that God has promised to those who love Him."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

You didnt answer my question.

How come he couldn't stop them? Perhaps he allowed it?

On one hand you blame the catholic church and say everything is perfect except for what they did and then again you say its a test by god.

Here's your quote:

No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

The video of OP kind of illustrates your thinking pattern.

Quoting: Ohwell

The Almighty Creator of the Universe could not stop them ? lol please , don't be silly ! In the OT , there is a story that the book of the Law was lost for a whole generation and God could have easily told one of the Prophets about it but he didn't because it is our duty and responsibility to guard and test the Word . And what I said did not contradict itself , why can't it be both ?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So the addition of Paul's part by the catholic church makes the bible somewhat incomplete and contradictory but an incomplete/contradictory bible was allowed by god but yet remain a test even though the bible isnt complete? Is that what you are saying? Yet you state that if you take Paul's part out that the bible flows. So where is the test here and who is being contradictory beyond the contradictory level of the bible?

And god allowed this?

Quoting: Ohwell

Where did I say incomplete ??? Please stop putting words in my mouth ! I think I have my point clear and you just want an argument so I wont waste any more time with you .

read John. the fourth gospel. and read romans. you can read those two books in a weekend, and sneeze through some josh mcdowell apologetics

there are also explanations for apparent contradictions online. carm.org is a great site as is gracethrufaith.com

the authors of the Bible are in harmony I can assure you. figure the Bible was written by jewish people, well read it for yourself it paints them in a VERY bad light ;) why would people write and preserve a book that makes them look horrible?? if it was written by men wouldn't they paint themselves in a better light!?

we are all sinners in need of a savior op. that's what the Bible is about. no one is special God is NOT. a respecter of persons. salvation and eternal life are equally available to all who believe ;)

for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him SHALL NOT PERISH but have everlasting life. ;)) Jesus said this!! john 3:16

I love threads like this. They get everyone so riled up and then their true beliefs and values come out instead of just the words they speak. You can really tell what type of person someone is when you get them mad.

Quoting: Reiz

Yeah , enjoy your mocking because it will be over soon ;) All you appear to be is a common troll , well done .

I love threads like this. They get everyone so riled up and then their true beliefs and values come out instead of just the words they speak. You can really tell what type of person someone is when you get them mad.

Quoting: Reiz

So that's your excuse? Humans being humans?

I'll bet on the day of judgement when God asks you why you never repented, you'll say "Because Joe Christian was stupid, immature, emotional, a hypocrite and flew off the handle every time I mocked You!".

“The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree . . . yeah, makes perfect sense.”

Fact: Man fails to grasp spiritual matters and takes things out of context to excuse his sinful nature.

Any Christian who can not see the fulfillment of Bible Prophesies during these days we are living in, hasn't really read a Bible in their lives.

As for the rest, of course they are going to reject God's Command to Repent of their sins and ridicule any suggestion that they do so.

Your soul, your loss!

Quoting: TCS

Every generation since the dawn of religion has felt that THEY are living in the end times! Its human nature! Every generation can look at occurrences in the world at that time and say this is what the Bible is talking about so everyone must repent and blah blah blah!! Im sure the end times will eventually come but it wont have a thing to do with the Bible!

So now I have to wonder if all the people down rating this thread are more evidence that a believer only accept things about their beliefs that make them look good and then damn everything that makes them look bad even if both sides of the coin are true. Again, this behavior would be very predictable from the faithful as their belief system is there to give them a sense of self confidence and often little more. So anything that threatens that self confidence must be bad and must be eliminated and treated as the enemy. Although this is in general and exists on a spectrum, as some do indeed try to embody those good qualities as opposed to just talking about them.

I mean I'm not a professional licensed psychologist or anything but hey observations are observations and data is data and patterns are patterns.

Quoting: Reiz

It's not really a matter of appearances.

I couldn't care less what you think of me because I believe what the bible says and I believe in JESUS.

From what I can tell, the entire purpose of this thread is to try to make Christians look bad,(and it's a fail.)

There are things that seem to be contradictions, but as a person presses on and studies prayerfully, it comes together.

I know that you don't believe that because you've never done it... as you stated in the original message, (you don't own a bible.)

Perhaps before you make unfounded accusations you would do well to seek and search it out for yourself. It's not just a matter of reading it, it's a heart matter...that's all I will say on that.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553081

I've been doing my searching. That's how I've come to the conclusion that there's only a scant few real christians out there who actually practice teh teachings. The rest just want to feel special and they're the problem. And of course it becomes a bigger problem for everyone when there's confusion about what christianity actually is. If the majority of alleged christians are just the douchebags who want to feel special then all of christianity gets viewed that way. So basically what I've been doing is making observations of people to see what they're really like and what they really believe. And so far I've found that only a scant few "christians" actually are real christians. Same goes for other belief systems. This assumes that a real christian or whatever truly wants goodness for all and all that nice stuff.

So far however most of the christian responses to this thread come from christians who are only christians in name only. Its just more observational data for me and that's all.

since i have dealt with suppossed contradictions in the scripture, not one of them changes the message from the beginning, the very beginning, and those citing them don't understand either the original language or are just plain stupid...like the accounts of Paul and the first vision, look it up in the original and no contradiction...

Consider

The first word of scripture in the bible.

Translated In the Beginning / Bet Resh Aleph Shin Yod Tav

Bet the first letter in Hebrew, means a house

Since a house is something you go into, when Bet prefixes a word it means "in"

The first and second letter of Scripture Bet Resh = Son - like as in Bar Mitzah

First three Bet Resh Aleph = Created Formed

In the beginning House Son Created

the last letter of the first three/ aleph and the first letter of the second Shin spells out the word for "Gift

the Yod is a Hand, with a peg - nail

Shin Yod Tav spells out the word Appointed.

First word of Scripture

In the Beginning house Son Created, Gift hand nailed appointed.

this here is also amazing the last letter of first Three is the First letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the last letter of the second is the last letter of the alphabet

The Aleph - Tav

Bereish't bara Elohiym ET

The Most High has preserved His Word

and the blind still lead the blind

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12750128

True True True!!!

Eyes are veiled so that they can not see the truth.

The veil is only taken away in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

No its not . There are contradictions in the Bible because the Catholic Church put in writings that did not belong in there(Paul , the false Prophets writings) . Take him out and the Word flows like it should . FAIL OP , Try harder !

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So Paul wasnt a disciple of Jesus? How about the other disciples stories that were conveniently omitted from the final draft. If it were TRULY the word of God then how would it be possible to change it?! Why not tell the WHOLE story instead of picking and choosing what works best for you at the time! That is NOT history!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2386473

If I remember right, none of the gospels were written by followers of Christ. They were stories that were passed down verbally and finally transposed into writing by others.

On one hand you blame the catholic church and say everything is perfect except for what they did and then again you say its a test by god.

Here's your quote:

...

The video of OP kind of illustrates your thinking pattern.

Quoting: Ohwell

The Almighty Creator of the Universe could not stop them ? lol please , don't be silly ! In the OT , there is a story that the book of the Law was lost for a whole generation and God could have easily told one of the Prophets about it but he didn't because it is our duty and responsibility to guard and test the Word . And what I said did not contradict itself , why can't it be both ?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

So the addition of Paul's part by the catholic church makes the bible somewhat contradictory but a contradictory bible was allowed by god but yet remain a test even though the bible isnt complete? Is that what you are saying? Yet you state that if you take Paul's part out that the bible flows. So where is the test here and who is being contradictory beyond the contradictory level of the bible?

And god allowed this?

Quoting: Ohwell

Where did I say incomplete ??? Please stop putting words in my mouth ! I think I have my point clear and you just want an argument so I wont waste any more time with you .

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623026

My mistake. Perhaps I should use the word "OVERCOMPLETE". If something that doesn't belong somewhere is added to something, doesnt it make it deficient - like a virus? Or does it make it more? You can take out the incomplete and try answer the rest then.

I love threads like this. They get everyone so riled up and then their true beliefs and values come out instead of just the words they speak. You can really tell what type of person someone is when you get them mad.

So now I have to wonder if all the people down rating this thread are more evidence that a believer only accept things about their beliefs that make them look good and then damn everything that makes them look bad even if both sides of the coin are true. Again, this behavior would be very predictable from the faithful as their belief system is there to give them a sense of self confidence and often little more. So anything that threatens that self confidence must be bad and must be eliminated and treated as the enemy. Although this is in general and exists on a spectrum, as some do indeed try to embody those good qualities as opposed to just talking about them.

I mean I'm not a professional licensed psychologist or anything but hey observations are observations and data is data and patterns are patterns.

Quoting: Reiz

It's not really a matter of appearances.

I couldn't care less what you think of me because I believe what the bible says and I believe in JESUS.

From what I can tell, the entire purpose of this thread is to try to make Christians look bad,(and it's a fail.)

There are things that seem to be contradictions, but as a person presses on and studies prayerfully, it comes together.

I know that you don't believe that because you've never done it... as you stated in the original message, (you don't own a bible.)

Perhaps before you make unfounded accusations you would do well to seek and search it out for yourself. It's not just a matter of reading it, it's a heart matter...that's all I will say on that.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553081

I've been doing my searching. That's how I've come to the conclusion that there's only a scant few real christians out there who actually practice teh teachings. The rest just want to feel special and they're the problem. And of course it becomes a bigger problem for everyone when there's confusion about what christianity actually is. If the majority of alleged christians are just the douchebags who want to feel special then all of christianity gets viewed that way. So basically what I've been doing is making observations of people to see what they're really like and what they really believe. And so far I've found that only a scant few "christians" actually are real christians. Same goes for other belief systems. This assumes that a real christian or whatever truly wants goodness for all and all that nice stuff.

So far however most of the christian responses to this thread come from christians who are only christians in name only. Its just more observational data for me and that's all.

Quoting: Reiz

How is one a "false christian"? If someone believes in Christ, and believes they are saved by grace through faith, then their faith is what makes them christian, not the works, or lack thereof.

I'm on my 8th time through the Bible cover to cover and I am 100% convinced it has all the information God wants me to know. and it is inerrant in original autographs -- divinely inspired. the Bible I have right here is exactly what God intended me to have and I do believe it is the Truth -- God's Word.

Quoting: rb 897059

Well then you're God is an evil God. He commits tons of evil crimes, kills innocent after innocent and orders his followers to commit heinous crimes and there wouldn't even be evil at all if he hadn't created it because he wanted it to exist...and you know all of that, if you've actually read the Bible in it's entirety.

since i have dealt with suppossed contradictions in the scripture, not one of them changes the message from the beginning, the very beginning, and those citing them don't understand either the original language or are just plain stupid...like the accounts of Paul and the first vision, look it up in the original and no contradiction...

Consider

The first word of scripture in the bible.

Translated In the Beginning / Bet Resh Aleph Shin Yod Tav

Bet the first letter in Hebrew, means a house

Since a house is something you go into, when Bet prefixes a word it means "in"

The first and second letter of Scripture Bet Resh = Son - like as in Bar Mitzah

First three Bet Resh Aleph = Created Formed

In the beginning House Son Created

the last letter of the first three/ aleph and the first letter of the second Shin spells out the word for "Gift

the Yod is a Hand, with a peg - nail

Shin Yod Tav spells out the word Appointed.

First word of Scripture

In the Beginning house Son Created, Gift hand nailed appointed.

this here is also amazing the last letter of first Three is the First letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the last letter of the second is the last letter of the alphabet

The Aleph - Tav

Bereish't bara Elohiym ET

The Most High has preserved His Word

and the blind still lead the blind

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12750128

True True True!!!

Eyes are veiled so that they can not see the truth.

The veil is only taken away in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1553081

Oh... so you're saying, as many other "christians" claim, that the appearance of Jesus means the Old Testament is not to be followed any longer?

Lets see what good ol' Jebus has to say about the old testament...

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.“ (Matthew 5:17)

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.“ (Luke 16:17)

....seems like you don't get to ignore all the hate and murder and rape in the Old Testament after all. Jesus says so. So get out your machete and start killing non-believers... because remember, God commands it.

See I can get how people would think I'm trying to make religion look bad. The way I see it I could just as easily make science look bad by pulling up examples of dogmatic scientists of which their are many. But that doesn't actually mean science is dogmatic just that those scientists are. I figure its the same with religion. Religion has become synonymous with dogma when technically its only that there's a number of followers of religion who themselves are dogmatic.

Believe it or not I'm just trying t remain neutral on teh subject. I set this up so that it would indeed be controversial so that I could actually observe the true characters of those who respond. Or at least get as close to their true character as possible.

I'm on my 8th time through the Bible cover to cover and I am 100% convinced it has all the information God wants me to know. and it is inerrant in original autographs -- divinely inspired. the Bible I have right here is exactly what God intended me to have and I do believe it is the Truth -- God's Word.

I no longer judge the Bible, I yield and let the Bible judge ME.

the Bible is the story of God reaching out to His fallen creation by coming to earth as a man -- Jesus Christ -- and dying a substitutionary death so we can live forever with Him. Jesus rose from the grave and Belief in His death burial and resurrection as atonement for our sins and payment for eternal life is the greatest story ever told.

as for people's behavior Christianity teaches we are saved by how we BELIEVE not how we BEHAVE. when we are born again by believing in Jesus we receive His Holy Spirit inside us as a guarantee and a down payment -- we enter the POSITION of eternal life not based on our PERFORMANCE -- but via Christ's finished work on the cross

though our sins be as scarlet they are rendered white as snow. this is the hilariously good news of the gospel op!!

there are no and-ya-gottas. we enter the covenant God established when we believe in Jesus. every false religion has other requirements and stipulations and a little research shows no two people are in full agreement on exactly what performances need to be accomplished, or what sins to be avoided etc.

as far as challenging passages go God has an explanation and I believe He will explain everything in my first 5 minutes of forever with Him. He is a just God and every mouth will be stopped. we are without excuse.

and the things of God are foolishness to the unbeliever as they are spiritually discerned. without the Holy Spirit we cannot grasp what God has done, is doing, and what He is going to do. but regardless He is faithful to His Word it will not return to Him void. He has performed it all through history as the Bible shows -- He is performing it, and the prophetic passages will be performed.

there is fremendous joy and peace in finally surrendering to God and taking Him at His Word my friend.

love rb

Quoting: rb 897059

Colossians 1: 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.