libranoelrose:BravadoGT: LL316: gingerjet: Senseless_drivel: I tend to agree that sticking 5 year old in the middle of this is inappropriate.

WBC has done more to advance gay or any other causes than any organization I recall.

5 year olds, adorable for their innocence, have zero knowledge or interest in such matters.

I also agree. Perhaps this is a teachable lesson for the 5 year old that the best thing to do with asses like the WBC is to ignore them. But most can't. Because trolling the WBC is easy and doesn't require any real effort. It makes people feel good about themselves without accomplishing a damn thing. Like most things extreme liberals take on.

Actually, this is a great lesson in marketing and supply and demand. There's a huge demand for ticking off WBC and she's making money off of that demand. Capitalism at its finest.

Does she have a business license? What about a health inspection? Is this site zoned commercial? Why isn't the government keeping us safe from this robberbaronness?

I thought the sign said donations?

Why would that be considered a business?

Not a for-profit business, but most jurisdictions require that non-profits register within the jurisdiction they are operating. At the very least--an occupational license. Oh, and there's got to be a safety inspection too. Make sure that stand is up to code and whatnot.

Popcorn Johnny:Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

This.

As father of a 5 year old daughter I can tell you my daughter doesn't know about Westboro Baptist church, she doesn't know what murder, hate, being gay, being not gay is. Why? Because she's freaking 5 !!

These parents are biggest attention whores if not more so than Westboro Baptist. Unreal how ridiculous people are.

What a freaking joke. Funny how some of you are quick to pull out the 'intolerant' cane when it's not even about that and as much about not necessarily having to expose them to crap like this. One way or the other.

One day she will get to know about crappy ass people like westboro and also turds that try to get attention from something so ridiculous. This is bad parenting 101.

I am not too crazy about the idea of parading a 5 year old girl out to bait a bigoted, scam. The whole "she represents innocent and chaste values" or whatever. Give Jayden about 13-14 years picking up on the "we are children of the universe" mentality, and you might just read about her walking around the forest naked, no shoes, and just a fanny pack.

WBC has done more to advance gay or any other causes than any organization I recall.

5 year olds, adorable for their innocence, have zero knowledge or interest in such matters.

I also agree. Perhaps this is a teachable lesson for the 5 year old that the best thing to do with asses like the WBC is to ignore them. But most can't. Because trolling the WBC is easy and doesn't require any real effort. It makes people feel good about themselves without accomplishing a damn thing. Like most things extreme liberals take on.

How far have we come when selling pink lemonade for peace and equality is considered trolling?

"Jayden raised $400 during the day on Friday, and collected over $1000 with an online campaign set up through Crowd Rise. Donations ranged from $10 to $230."

I draw the line when parents prop up an innocent kindergartener as the front to an online sex v. religion donation campaign.

BravadoGT:LL316: gingerjet: Senseless_drivel: I tend to agree that sticking 5 year old in the middle of this is inappropriate.

WBC has done more to advance gay or any other causes than any organization I recall.

5 year olds, adorable for their innocence, have zero knowledge or interest in such matters.

I also agree. Perhaps this is a teachable lesson for the 5 year old that the best thing to do with asses like the WBC is to ignore them. But most can't. Because trolling the WBC is easy and doesn't require any real effort. It makes people feel good about themselves without accomplishing a damn thing. Like most things extreme liberals take on.

Actually, this is a great lesson in marketing and supply and demand. There's a huge demand for ticking off WBC and she's making money off of that demand. Capitalism at its finest.

Does she have a business license? What about a health inspection? Is this site zoned commercial? Why isn't the government keeping us safe from this robberbaronness?

If only the Koch brothers had her ethics the U.S. would be a much better nation.

Just as you can home school your children and raise them to believe the Earth is 5,000 years old, you may raise them to be tolerant of others and to oppose bigots. It's called parenting.

They don't seem very tolerant of the WBC.

I'm sure the attendees at Fred Phelp's funeral would appreciate an ice cold glass of lemonade to assuage the flames of hell.

But seriously -- and to address most of the thread -- what about parent rights? WBC has kids out there with signs. Somebody on the opposing side pulls a tit-for-tat and they are held to a higher standard of tolerance?

Why?

It seems to me that most people without a dog in this fight (gay rights) hold the LGBT community to a higher standard than folks like the WBC, yet couch their comments in the foxhole of the First Amendment as a way to pat themselves on the back that they tolerate the WBC.

The trolling WBC I mean. They need to have the piss taken out of them.

I'd settle for taking a piss on them.

Fred Phelps looks like the kind of guy who might be into that. The WBC is probably one of those weird sects that interprets Biblical references to placing a crown of gold on someone's head as referring to water sports.

"The king shall have joy in Your strength, O Lord, and in Your salvation how greatly shall he rejoice! You have given him his heart's desire, and have not withheld the request of his lips. Selah. For You meet him with the blessings of goodness, you set a crown of pure gold upon his head."-Psalm 21:1-3

The trolling WBC I mean. They need to have the piss taken out of them.

I'd settle for taking a piss on them.

The day Fred Phelps dies, I'm booking a flight to piss on his grave.

\Not really.\\But only on the timing.\\\They're going to need to install a urinal.

Again, Phelps has done more to advance the gay agenda by protesting at fallen service member funerals than any organization I'm aware of. If I was gay I'd send them a check monthly to keep up the crazy.

I like WBC because their sideshow happens to be our best hope of getting tax exempt status for religious organizations repealed. Freely exercising your religion is not the same as exercising your religion tax free. A start would be to tax all religions at the same rate which doesn't equal 0%.

thistime:Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

This.

As father of a 5 year old daughter I can tell you my daughter doesn't know about Westboro Baptist church, she doesn't know what murder, hate, being gay, being not gay is. Why? Because she's freaking 5 !!

These parents are biggest attention whores if not more so than Westboro Baptist. Unreal how ridiculous people are.

What a freaking joke. Funny how some of you are quick to pull out the 'intolerant' cane when it's not even about that and as much about not necessarily having to expose them to crap like this. One way or the other.

One day she will get to know about crappy ass people like westboro and also turds that try to get attention from something so ridiculous. This is bad parenting 101.

Note that there have been members of the Westboro Baptist Church use their own young children in promoting their hateful messages. I'm guessing that their kids don't voluntarily promote homophobia - especially those who might be too young to understand this sort of prejudice.

What if the girl in the article actually wanted to help out by doing something nice? The photo posted in this thread would imply that she did, and that it wasn't 100% her parents' idea.

Everyone that says this little girl doesn't understand the situation because it is bigger than her:

My niece and nephew have been raised in a Christian household. One is five, one just turned seven. They understand gay and lesbian, and even transgender. They don't get all the mechanics, but it's a topic that comes up a lot, going to church quite often and all.My brother and his wife have taken the stance of "Some men like men, some women like women. Some men like women and some women like men. Some men feel like women and some women feel like men. It's how people are made. Other people don't like that and are afraid of people that are different. Sometimes they are hateful and hide behind the bible. It is never ok to hate someone for being different than you."

It's simple. You don't have to understand the mechanics of a sexual relationship to understand simple dynamics of a relationship, right and wrong, love and hate.

When I was five I watched too much news and heard that there was a pollution problem and took it upon myself to clean up my neighborhood with a garbage bag and a glove. My parents had nothing to do with it and it is still something I get made fun of today, lol.

Don't think that 5yos don't have a grasp on issues that are wrong in the world.

In your case they are being exposed to it AT CHURCH no less. Also would like to poll the 5 year old separate of the 7 year old. BIG difference btw.

Again westboro is a bunch of farkheads but a girl at 5 getting all world peace and gay rights is result of bad parenting and attention whoring. Even 5 years old kids of gay patents don't know what is going on. Why?Because they are 5!

Are they capable of surprising you and knowing some things? Sure. But stuff like world peace (even the concept of war) gay rights, murder is not a 5 year old thing. I mean dont believe me I'm only around my kids and all her friends and all the families that have kids that are 5. I also helped out at the school with the 5 year olds. They were sure getting deep into the intellectual conversations about world peace and gay issues. rolleyes.. Sure thing.

Give me a freaking break and call it for what it is. Bad attention whoring parents. This stinks and I would like to donkey punch the parents just as much as westboro

The WBC doesn't give two shiats about whether or not ANYONE believes their message: They just want someone to get pissed off enough to try and stop them. Their only goal has nothing to do with outing sin, and everything to do with 'Please little 8 lb, 9 ounce baby Jesus barely forming his words, please let someone shove us, throw something at us, or tell us to move from public property so we can sue!" They then get to keep Uncle Sam out of the collection plate since they are a church and all awards are tax free.

This just gives them publicity: they are like a petulant child - good or bad attention doesn't matter...just that they get attention.

The trolling WBC I mean. They need to have the piss taken out of them.

I'd settle for taking a piss on them.

The day Fred Phelps dies, I'm booking a flight to piss on his grave.

\Not really.\\But only on the timing.\\\They're going to need to install a urinal.

Again, Phelps has done more to advance the gay agenda by protesting at fallen service member funerals than any organization I'm aware of. If I was gay I'd send them a check monthly to keep up the crazy.

I like WBC because their sideshow happens to be our best hope of getting tax exempt status for religious organizations repealed. Freely exercising your religion is not the same as exercising your religion tax free. A start would be to tax all religions at the same rate which doesn't equal 0%.

BeatrixK:legion_of_doo: More free publicity for WBC. Good jerb, little girl.

THIS!

The WBC doesn't give two shiats about whether or not ANYONE believes their message: They just want someone to get pissed off enough to try and stop them. Their only goal has nothing to do with outing sin, and everything to do with 'Please little 8 lb, 9 ounce baby Jesus barely forming his words, please let someone shove us, throw something at us, or tell us to move from public property so we can sue!" They then get to keep Uncle Sam out of the collection plate since they are a church and all awards are tax free.

This just gives them publicity: they are like a petulant child - good or bad attention doesn't matter...just that they get attention.

"Jayden represents the natural humanity we are born with," Davis Hammet, Director of Operations at Planting Peace, added. "We come into this world compassionate, caring beings and only become hateful if we are taught to be."

Well, good for her. When I was 5, I used to lie to my friends about having an older brother and a robot. And we used to play "real war" at the Montessori kindergarten, chasing each other around with WWII-surplus entrenching shovels with the full intent of bashing some brains out.

This is dumb. People think they are so clever and witty when they "own" WBC like this. They are just feeding the trolls. All this does is get the WBC name back in the news and gets them the attention they crave.

I remember when I was a kid like 9yo my favorite hobby was picking on my little sister - I'd walk up to her, declare that she was stupid, and she'd get all worked up. Then one day she wisened up and just stopped reacting or just plain ignored me when I did it. Don't think anything ever aggravated me more than when I started calling her every insult I knew and all she said was "meh". Didn't bother her again after that.

gingerjet:Senseless_drivel: I tend to agree that sticking 5 year old in the middle of this is inappropriate.

WBC has done more to advance gay or any other causes than any organization I recall.

5 year olds, adorable for their innocence, have zero knowledge or interest in such matters.

I also agree. Perhaps this is a teachable lesson for the 5 year old that the best thing to do with asses like the WBC is to ignore them. But most can't. Because trolling the WBC is easy and doesn't require any real effort. It makes people feel good about themselves without accomplishing a damn thing. Like most things extreme liberals take on.

thistime:Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

This.

As father of a 5 year old daughter I can tell you my daughter doesn't know about Westboro Baptist church, she doesn't know what murder, hate, being gay, being not gay is. Why? Because she's freaking 5 !!

These parents are biggest attention whores if not more so than Westboro Baptist. Unreal how ridiculous people are.

What a freaking joke. Funny how some of you are quick to pull out the 'intolerant' cane when it's not even about that and as much about not necessarily having to expose them to crap like this. One way or the other.

One day she will get to know about crappy ass people like westboro and also turds that try to get attention from something so ridiculous. This is bad parenting 101.

She's not necessarily learning all of that, beyond that the people across the street are mean people. She's raising money for a peace organization, not a GLBT one. And besides, at what age is it appropriate to learn about gay people? I have several gay friends who are raising children around that age. I'm pretty sure the kids are aware that their parents are gay.

thistime:Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

This.

As father of a 5 year old daughter I can tell you my daughter doesn't know about Westboro Baptist church, she doesn't know what murder, hate, being gay, being not gay is. Why? Because she's freaking 5 !!

I've never met your daughter, and probably never will, but if I had to guess, I'd wager she knows more than you realize.

You're also using circular reasoning, by the way: "I know my 5-year-old doesn't know about homosexuality because she's only five!"

thismomentinblackhistory:Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

Just as you can home school your children and raise them to believe the Earth is 5,000 years old, you may raise them to be tolerant of others and to oppose bigots. It's called parenting.

This. Sometimes children have the most simplistically brilliant ideas. Instead of thinking of how to outmaneuver and out-hate the WBC, countering their hate with love sounds like exactly the kind of simple idea a child would come up with.

ciberido:thistime: Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, I'm sure it was her idea and not her parents whoring her out for attention.

This.

As father of a 5 year old daughter I can tell you my daughter doesn't know about Westboro Baptist church, she doesn't know what murder, hate, being gay, being not gay is. Why? Because she's freaking 5 !!

I've never met your daughter, and probably never will, but if I had to guess, I'd wager she knows more than you realize.

You're also using circular reasoning, by the way: "I know my 5-year-old doesn't know about homosexuality because she's only five!"

I knew what homosexuality was when I was five, or at least vaguely so. This being the early '80s, the Southern Baptist's pet issue was still the evils or rock music and homosexuality was still something talked about in whispers, but when you're allowed to watch the news you pick up on things. Though, I may not have been the most normal of children, as far as news watching, since I remember watching news reports when the Marines were still in Lebanon and they pulled out before I was 3.