Thanks for that.My dlr alu housing plus PC ended up with 32g, but with much bigger frame. That's why I was curious about the weight. Does the weight refer to the full set, with all necessary cable stoppers etc?

I have mini I link on my mtb, which I used to use with PC as well. Can you make tight bends with the Aican as with the mini I link? Probably that would be my only reason to go with Aican, better look.

I'll try and respond to a few questions you WW's have. 1)Brk.hoods are BTP carbon aprox.20g saved. 2)Yes it is a Guru Photon/ AX 6000 fork rides great and is plenty stiff trimmed w/ 25 mm spacer 226g. 3) Housing includes all stops,although not all oem if I had something lighter. 4) I'm using mini I links for derl. as they are still lightest and are able to have much greater bend radius.I hope to have complete bike specs and photos after my latest upgraded ax stem is received and installed. Current weight 3924 g/8.6 lbs W/ tuned Red shifers,r. derl. Stay Tuned (pun intended) PP

This post prompted me to go do some research on Guru Photons. Oh man did I have the impression SO wrong. This is a seriously light frame. Nice to see that this is not just a wallet weenie job, you are really thinking about it and selecting premium items but then doing the "every gram counts" thing and some serious thought has obviously gone into this. (not to mention the time!!).Bravo.

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This is definitely a bit off topic and I normally wouldn't contribute to continuing to keep it off topic, but I feel this is really important to say. Under absolutely no circumstances would I ever, EVER, recommend anyone actually ride an Ax fork.

Theremery, Thank you for your kind words.Yes, it has been a long labor of love --w/ obsessive research thanks to this site and others like it. I've spent many hours sanding, grinding, drilling and milling.The 2010 Photon was one of the pitfalls; its advertised weight was 654 grams, but actually weighed 754g w/ all fittings necessary i.e. derr hangers and bb guide for size 54 top tube & 47.5cm seat tube. After repairing cracked rear drop-out, it was 777grams. Buying this frame was a costly mistake. I tried to return the frame because of clear coat flaws, weight, and deviations from original blueprint re: size. They wouldn't take it back. The local dealer and Guru were extreme jerks. Guru had just emerged from bankruptcy and didn't care about me--they had my $$. Never again!!! but...I digress (rant) Ultimately, I now have super nice ride that's uberlite--worthy of gracing these virtual pages.PP

Ahhhhh....yeh....that is sad news re Guru.Re AX forks......I think I may know the story behind MadCows statement re AX forks......I won't ride them either (can't say the story, sorry.....not my story to tell.....relates to a former WW members accident tho. A very serious accident )

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Oh btw.....why not run mini - Ilinks instead of the bungarus if you are using gear cable?....that would be an even lighter solution (and much cheaper)....or will the 1.5mm Cordz not fit in the mini sleeve?

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the most important thing is you have to mix up the ferrules to get this system campag friendly.. 5mm ferrule for the brake cable into the shifter body and no ferrule for the shifter cables.the EE brake adjusters need the 5mm ferrules as well and the rest of the bike uses the 5.5mm units for any brake or shifter cable/frame interfacespretty simple really.so whats the result..

Very smooth lever pulls and the shifting is best it's ever been. So fast and precise The minis had a little bit of drag through the rear section. That made it hesitate a little. Now it's faster and a touch lighter on the lever.

sugarkane, what types of ferrules are included in the brake kit and shift kit? According to the description on fairwheel bikes site, the brake kit contains 1.5m of housing and the shift kit contains 1.8m. I need only 2.4~2.5m of housing for both brake and shift, which leaves a lot of excess housing from the kits. So I wonder if I can just buy two packs of brake kit, provided both kits share the same types of ferrules?

the cables are different.housing looks to be the same in both cases.the brake kit gets 2 5mm ferrules and the rest 5.5mms the shift kit mostly 5mms if you were using sram or shimano you'd be using different ferrules into the bodies as campag is ment to run the cables in on there own.

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