]]>By: MCQhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-70012
MCQTue, 28 Oct 2008 20:12:42 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-70012Amen David.Amen David.
]]>By: David T.http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69931
David T.Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:43:32 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69931This is, indeed, a complex issue and I believe it all comes down to each member's personal relationship with God. Seeing the rift among members makes me think this is about more than just seeing to the passing of Proposition 8; It's a test and opportunity for each one of us to exercise our faith and wrest with the issue through prayer and pondering. That is not to say everyone will come away with the same answer. It isn't whether the Church is right or wrong, but whether we can each individually attain a sense of peace and confirmation from the Lord that it's all right to hold the sentiments we do-- and to recognize that this answer is valid to no one but each of us alone. Because when it all comes down to the end, it's just us and the Lord, one on one.This is, indeed, a complex issue and I believe it all comes down to each member’s personal relationship with God. Seeing the rift among members makes me think this is about more than just seeing to the passing of Proposition 8; It’s a test and opportunity for each one of us to exercise our faith and wrest with the issue through prayer and pondering. That is not to say everyone will come away with the same answer. It isn’t whether the Church is right or wrong, but whether we can each individually attain a sense of peace and confirmation from the Lord that it’s all right to hold the sentiments we do– and to recognize that this answer is valid to no one but each of us alone. Because when it all comes down to the end, it’s just us and the Lord, one on one.
]]>By: MCQhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69767
MCQTue, 28 Oct 2008 04:58:45 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69767BTW, I'm glad you find that your faith is simple. Please have patience with those of us who have more complex relationships with our faith on certain issues.BTW, I’m glad you find that your faith is simple. Please have patience with those of us who have more complex relationships with our faith on certain issues.
]]>By: MCQhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69766
MCQTue, 28 Oct 2008 04:56:48 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69766Jenny, diatribes like that are certain to alienate about 50% of our membership. If that is your goal, you're on the right track. If, however, your goal is to do as Christ commanded and "feed my sheep," you might want to take a different approach.
For one thing, your stance is at odds with many of the prophets' own statements, including Joseph Smith, who explicitly stated that he was not infallible and who in fact, was censured by the brethren during his own lifetime for mistakes that he made. Statements like the one above would not, in fact, be recognized by a leader like Joseph who famously said that his approach was to teach correct principles and let men govern themselves.
Let me also clarify one very important point: no one, to my knowledge, on this site has ever called SWK a racist. That would be ridiculous indeed. But this thread is not about the priesthood ban, so I'm not sure how that applies.Jenny, diatribes like that are certain to alienate about 50% of our membership. If that is your goal, you’re on the right track. If, however, your goal is to do as Christ commanded and “feed my sheep,” you might want to take a different approach.

For one thing, your stance is at odds with many of the prophets’ own statements, including Joseph Smith, who explicitly stated that he was not infallible and who in fact, was censured by the brethren during his own lifetime for mistakes that he made. Statements like the one above would not, in fact, be recognized by a leader like Joseph who famously said that his approach was to teach correct principles and let men govern themselves.

Let me also clarify one very important point: no one, to my knowledge, on this site has ever called SWK a racist. That would be ridiculous indeed. But this thread is not about the priesthood ban, so I’m not sure how that applies.

]]>By: Jennyhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69757
JennyTue, 28 Oct 2008 04:35:48 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69757Either the church is true or it isn't. Either you believe the prophet is a prophet or you don't. With the mormons there is NO SHADE OF GREY. You CANNOT sit on the fence in your membership. Either you believe in the Priesthood authority or you don't. If you think the brethren are acting on their own volition rather then acting in behalf of the Son of God, you are wasting your time as a member. If you believe that Spencer W. Kimball was a racist that bent under public scrutiny, you DO NOT KNOW THE MAN. If God had judged it so, Pres. Kimball would not have allowed the Preisthood to be extended.
YOU MUST DECIDE IF THE BRETHERN ARE INSPIRED OR IF THEY ARE NOT. Once that decision is made, act accordingly.
THAT is the simplicity of the faith.Either the church is true or it isn’t. Either you believe the prophet is a prophet or you don’t. With the mormons there is NO SHADE OF GREY. You CANNOT sit on the fence in your membership. Either you believe in the Priesthood authority or you don’t. If you think the brethren are acting on their own volition rather then acting in behalf of the Son of God, you are wasting your time as a member. If you believe that Spencer W. Kimball was a racist that bent under public scrutiny, you DO NOT KNOW THE MAN. If God had judged it so, Pres. Kimball would not have allowed the Preisthood to be extended.
YOU MUST DECIDE IF THE BRETHERN ARE INSPIRED OR IF THEY ARE NOT. Once that decision is made, act accordingly.

THAT is the simplicity of the faith.

]]>By: Martin Willeyhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69602
Martin WilleyMon, 27 Oct 2008 18:43:25 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69602One good thing about the Yes on 8 campaign: It has kept busy a lot of people who would otherwise be picketing LDS temples. Remember: "The enemy of my (gay) enemy is my friend!"One good thing about the Yes on 8 campaign: It has kept busy a lot of people who would otherwise be picketing LDS temples. Remember: “The enemy of my (gay) enemy is my friend!”
]]>By: djinnhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-69590
djinnMon, 27 Oct 2008 17:58:12 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-69590It seems because the info the yes on 8 people were threatening to publish was already in the public forum, it wasn't blackmail. Apparently, though, there are a number of no on yes contributors that are in a tiff that they didn't get the "blackmail" letter. Just can't please some people.It seems because the info the yes on 8 people were threatening to publish was already in the public forum, it wasn’t blackmail. Apparently, though, there are a number of no on yes contributors that are in a tiff that they didn’t get the “blackmail” letter. Just can’t please some people.
]]>By: Davidhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-68856
DavidSat, 25 Oct 2008 01:42:02 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-68856Hope you're right, old bean.Hope you’re right, old bean.
]]>By: MCQhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862&cpage=2#comment-68853
MCQSat, 25 Oct 2008 00:50:19 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=862#comment-68853Campaign contributions are often public information (unlike voting), so there's nothing unusual about them being made public, it's just unusual for someone to threaten to use that information in a negative light. I suspect many of those who contributed have no problem with being identified as contributors, and this attempt at blackmail will fall flat on its face. It really is a very amateurish tactic.Campaign contributions are often public information (unlike voting), so there’s nothing unusual about them being made public, it’s just unusual for someone to threaten to use that information in a negative light. I suspect many of those who contributed have no problem with being identified as contributors, and this attempt at blackmail will fall flat on its face. It really is a very amateurish tactic.
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