tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post142568249992195720..comments2015-03-03T07:22:51.687-05:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Antidote to John Calvin's Institutes (IV,10:27-32) [Church Laws / Calvinist Ecclesiology / Eucharist "Demoted" / "Clearness" of Scripture]Dave Armstronghttps://plus.google.com/115516270318198347148noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-40452640457734470142009-08-28T03:27:05.872-04:002009-08-28T03:27:05.872-04:00Adomnan,
Nothing was holy for Calvin but his own ...Adomnan,<br /><br /><i>Nothing was holy for Calvin but his own sacrosanct opinions.</i><br /><br />How very right you are! <br /><br />Same, of course, goes for Luther who, never one to be outdone in most things peculiar, accordingly, tops the <i>goofiness</i> of Calvin&#39;s statement with this masterpiece!<br /><br />“The female body is not strong – it cannot bear arms, etc.– and the spirit is even weaker; according to the normal course of events, it follows [that] if only the Lord had joined together defiance or gentleness, woman is half-child. Let everyone who takes a wife know that he is the guardian of a child. … She is thus a wild animal; you recognize her weakness of mind.” 92<br /><br /><i>Reordering marriage and society in Reformation Germany, 1995, </i> Joel Francis Harrington, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521464838 ISBN978-0521464833, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=tFeGzFxsBzMC&amp;pg=PA72&amp;dq=%22everyone+who+takes+a+wife+know+that+he+is+the+guardian+of+a+child%22&amp;lr=&amp;as_drrb_is=q&amp;as_minm_is=0&amp;as_miny_is=&amp;as_maxm_is=0&amp;as_maxy_is=&amp;as_brr=0#v=onepage&amp;q=%22everyone%20who%20takes%20a%20wife%20know%20that%20he%20is%20the%20guardian%20of%20a%20child%22&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">p. 72.</a><br /><br />92. “Predigt am 2 Sonntag nach Ephiphanias” “Sermon on the 2nd Sunday after Epiphany,” on 1 Pet. 3:7 (1524), <i>WA</i> 15:419-20.<br /><br />WA = <i>D. Martin Luthers Werke, Kritische Gesamtausgabe,</i> published at Weimar 1888 f. <br />(See Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_by_Martin_Luther" rel="nofollow">List of books by Martin Luther</a>)<br /><br />Again, LOL! <br /><br />________________________<br /><br />“Believe me, my brethren, the measure of our love for the Church is the measure also of the Holy Ghost&#39;s presence in our souls.”<br /><br />St. Augustine, Tract. 32 [8] in Joan. <br /><br /><i>Love for holy Church,</i> M. L’Abbé Petit, Eward Caswall, tr., London, Richardson and Son, 1862, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ZOMCAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=RA1-PA230&amp;dq=%22our+love+for+the+Church+is+the+measure%22&amp;lr=&amp;as_brr=0&amp;ei=in2XSvesK4yUNb-NyX4#v=onepage&amp;q=%22our%20love%20for%20the%20Church%20is%20the%20measure%22&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">p. 230.</a><br /><br />Alternate translation:<br /><br />8. “Let us believe, brethren; as much as every man loves the Church of Christ, so much has he the Holy Ghost.”<br /><a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701032.htm" rel="nofollow"> Tractate 32 (John 7:37-39)<br /></a>Ben Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16971132944684765473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-50877329227158295862009-08-27T18:04:32.357-04:002009-08-27T18:04:32.357-04:00Calvin based that bit of polemic on Jesus&#39;s st...Calvin based that bit of polemic on Jesus&#39;s statement &quot;cast not pearls before swine nor give what is holy to dogs, etc.&quot; <br /><br />But Jesus said it so much better. Calvin trampled Jesus&#39;s pearls. <br /><br />Nothing was holy for Calvin but his own sacrosanct opinions. The only &quot;sacred things&quot; he tolerates in his Reformed services are his preachments occasionally supplemented by a few empty &quot;symbolic&quot; rites.Adomnanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15746373228302022418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-46178873747323766402009-08-27T05:45:16.698-04:002009-08-27T05:45:16.698-04:00Almost every statement he [Calvin] makes is conclu...<i>Almost every statement he [Calvin] makes is conclusory-- no facts, no evidence--just lots and lots of posturing and argumentation.</i><br /><br /><i>Meanwhile, it&#39;s fascinating to discover how much generality and vapidity there is in the Institutes. Calvin seldom stoops to the specificity of an example. He&#39;s all cant and bluster.</i><br /><br />Now fellas, just where do y’all get such notions? ;)<br /><br />“I declare that I am not at war with the ancient fathers – only with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pighius" rel="nofollow">Pighius</a> and those like him, whether dogs or pigs, who some of the time befoul the sacred saving truth of God with their vile, filthy snouts, and at other times trample it underfoot or tear it with poisonous teeth or pursue it with their barking.”<br /><br />- John Calvin<br /><br /><i>John Calvin: student of the church fathers,</i> Anthony N. S. Lane, Edinburgh: T &amp; T Clark, 1999, ISBN 0567086941 ISBN 9780567086945, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=uWfbxzvxs1gC&amp;pg=PA180&amp;dq=%22pighius+and+those+like+him+whether+dogs+or+pigs%22&amp;lr=&amp;client=firefox#v=onepage&amp;q=%22pighius%20and%20those%20like%20him%20whether%20dogs%20or%20pigs%22&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">p. 180</a><br /><br />Man, are those Reformer just too much or what?! LOL!Ben Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16971132944684765473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-19739819479765319732009-08-26T21:54:03.536-04:002009-08-26T21:54:03.536-04:00I&#39;m enjoying the series, too, curious to see i...I&#39;m enjoying the series, too, curious to see if Calvin will ever make a substantive point. <br /><br />Meanwhile, it&#39;s fascinating to discover how much generality and vapidity there is in the Institutes. Calvin seldom stoops to the specificity of an example. He&#39;s all cant and bluster. <br /><br />Bishop Bossuet called his style &quot;triste;&quot; that is, sad.Adomnanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15746373228302022418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-65656700324646352552009-08-26T16:40:18.185-04:002009-08-26T16:40:18.185-04:00Thanks! I can&#39;t say I am enjoying writing it m...Thanks! I can&#39;t say I am enjoying <i>writing</i> it much anymore, as I encounter these glaring shortcomings in Calvin over and over. Now only my determination to finish the project keeps me going. I&#39;m just about halfway through. Pray for my patience! :-)<br /><br />I must say that I definitely enjoy reading Luther more. He is silly and fallacious over and over as well, but at least he is not nearly as pretentious, and his writing at least possesses a warmth and humanness wholly absent from Calvin.<br /><br />If I could theoretically meet both men, I think I would actually get along with Luther, whereas I can&#39;t even imagine what it would be like with Calvin (I imagine, judging from his writings) that he would be snobbish, stand-offish, cold, and condescending).<br /><br />No doubt this will be seen by Protestant as my own Catholic or &quot;anti-Calvinist&quot; prejudice, and perhaps it is to some extent, but hey, I&#39;m simply giving my impressions, having read now one-eighth of the <i>Institutes</i>, with my own feeble attempt to counter it.Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-12879329245515678442009-08-26T16:02:31.103-04:002009-08-26T16:02:31.103-04:00Dave, you are doing a good job demonstrating just ...Dave, you are doing a good job demonstrating just how bad of a lawyer Calvin was. Almost every statement he makes is conclusory-- no facts, no evidence--just lots and lots of posturing and argumentation.<br /><br />I am enjoying this series!<br /><br />God bless!Paul Hofferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.com