I would even go as far as saying its not that "pie-in-the-sky" that he will be above average at his position.

Eh, through 535 career games and 2,067 plate appearances, Beckham's career slash line is .245/.312/.382 but what's most concerning is that his production has progessively gotten worse every season except for his uptick and slight improvement in BB and K rates. Granted, he's only going to be 26 years old for the majority of this season so there's still some hope he can grow a bit, but once you're talking about a guy with over 2,000 PA in the Majors, what you see is generally what you get.

He's a good defender who plays a position you don't historically get a lot of offense from so he has some value, but I don't think we're looking at a guy who will ever be anything more than a #9 hitter on a team with any kind of championship aspirations.

Far from the same thing, I quoted others on the board who swiftly defended me. That arguement was over anyways. You are going back in the thread and trying to find something to stick to someone and you are just making yourself look weak. I like Beckham, as you supposedly do too, I think he plays the game the right way, he has a good attitude, he cares, he can pick it but he just cannot get his mechanics together. IMO, if he bumps his AVG up 20-30 points and stops disapearing in the 7-8-9 innings he could be a valuable player. Considering his BABIP is .250, his AVG going up is not far fetched at all.

Please. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said get his swing back. Those were your words, not mine. Not made up. Considering he's been consistently the same every year except one year, it's obvious what year you were referring too. If you're going to sit here and lie about it, we don't have anything to discuss.

Eh, through 535 career games and 2,067 plate appearances, Beckham's career slash line is .245/.312/.382 but what's most concerning is that his production has progessively gotten worse every season except for his uptick and slight improvement in BB and K rates. Granted, he's only going to be 26 years old for the majority of this season so there's still some hope he can grow a bit, but once you're talking about a guy with over 2,000 PA in the Majors, what you see is generally what you get.

The word "journeyman" comes to mind. He's got a place in this league, and he'll stick around. But don't expect too much more.

Please. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said get his swing back. Those were your words, not mine. Not made up. Considering he's been consistently the same every year except one year, it's obvious what year you were referring too. If you're going to sit here and lie about it, we don't have anything to discuss.

How am I lieing? You accused me of saying he was going to break out, which I said nowhere. So quickly after your accusation two other posters came to my defense before I even saw your post. That is 3 against 1. I know you have trouble conceiving you could be wrong.

Beckham's problem is his swing. Not only does he have great trouble against offspeed pitches, the hitch in his swing makes it hard for him to hit fastballs if his timing is just off a little bit. If he works away from that hitch, shortens up his swing, he may have an alright year next year. Considering his BABIP, he is very unlucky. With Keppinger more than likely slotted at #2 in the order, it is unlikely Beckham will be moved around in the order. Therefore, he will be hitting 9th day-in-day-out and will see a lot of fastballs.

I'll break it down for you munch: he will be hitting in the same spot, he will see a lot of fastballs hitting 9th, his BABIP indicates he was very unlucky last year and hitting "average" for a 2B is not that hard to attatin.

How am I lieing? You accused me of saying he was going to break out, which I said nowhere. So quickly after your accusation two other posters came to my defense before I even saw your post. That is 3 against 1. I know you have trouble conceiving you could be wrong.

Beckham's problem is his swing. Not only does he have great trouble against offspeed pitches, the hitch in his swing makes it hard for him to hit fastballs if his timing is just off a little bit. If he works away from that hitch, shortens up his swing, he may have an alright year next year. Considering his BABIP, he is very unlucky. With Keppinger more than likely slotted at #2 in the order, it is unlikely Beckham will be moved around in the order. Therefore, he will be hitting 9th day-in-day-out and will see a lot of fastballs.

I'll break it down for you munch: he will be hitting in the same spot, he will see a lot of fastballs hitting 9th, his BABIP indicates he was very unlucky last year and hitting "average" for a 2B is not that hard to attatin.

What I think is easily attainable and completely acceptable for a strong fielder at 2B: .250/.310/.390 with 17 HRs and 65 RBIs.

Your original statement speaks for itself. So now in order to "get his swing back", he's going to post that line you mentioned? One he never has, only worse lines and then one line way better. Right...you certainly didn't mean that one year.

Your original statement speaks for itself. So now in order to "get his swing back", he's going to post that line you mentioned? One he never has, only worse lines and then one line way better. Right...you certainly didn't mean that one year.

This is done. Argue the meanings of words all you want.

Rather than respond to this disjointed post, I'll take my own opinon and the rest of the boards backing over your opinon.

Pretty much. Sure in the hell isn't out of a sudden respect and agreement of his opinion.

Come on. If you wanna sit here and debate the words he wrote all night, I will oblige you, they are in this thread. Because you're arguing with me for the sake of disagreeing. He ****ing said it, and there's no way it could be misconstrued to be what he tried to say it meant after the fact. Don't be a troll.