The part of have a product or service that people will be willing to pay for is business 101. Sometimes we think too much of the things that may work and leave the things that work, if we put in a little effort. I'm against this idea of setting up 100 websites that earn you $1 a day since I see no value in it.

I'd rather create a web property that serves a certain need. These grow organically and are usually the ones where SEO is not relevant.

1- this is BHW, spammers here 'game' the system and make bank.
2- products are easily the long term solution for someone with capital and looking to make money with the same site for a long time
3- knowledge of eComm + knowledge of black hat = YES PLEASE

I'll admit, I've dabbled in Black hat--- but it didn't get me far, and I only did it for a couple of months on one of my sites....Shame too, because it was a site that had a lot of promise and it was slapped pretty hard.

I figure - I'd rather spend my time 'doing it right the first time' rather than 'fixing what I did wrong in the first place'.

To be MORE detailed, I started with eBay. I started wanting to do dropshipping, but I found out my dropshipper was making a pretty good profit on my sales. So I wanted to figure out how he was doing so well!

So, through some investigations, I found out his source. And so I kept selling on eBay, but became a wholesaler as well. But then I wanted to figure out where MY source was getting them from, because I, again, wanted to increase my profits.

So I then became a manufacturer of these products and importing them into the port of Los Angeles and shipping them FOB to my warehouse.

Then, I became a dropshipper myself - and then creating a website where I sold them from my website as well.

THEN, I added affiliates to them and started having people selling some related product to affiliates for commissions.

Then I did what a lot of business owners to.

I sold the company.

And started all over from a different direction--- mostly because my non-compete told me not to go in the same direction.

So, I started selling on eBay again -- but now I've set up a website teaching everything I've learned through the whole process.

Did I fail?

Nope.

But I now have a unique perspective... and this is why I've been able to create a website (this time not to sell the product itself but to teach it)

So thanks, it wasn't so much an attempt to 'call me out' as it was to clarify my comments. I think that was the 'something' you were missing.

If you read it because you're wanting to sell something that doesn't work - yeah, it'll be pointless.

If you read it because you're 'always going to be right and no opposing opinion will ever be right' - yeah it'll be pointless.

If you read it because 'you've arrived at greatness and are now the absolute superlative of magnanimity' yeah, it'll be pointless as well.

But, if you take from it what it was trying to convey - that we all need to keep learning, growing, adapting, evolving, and offering customers and ourselves a great product -- then a friendly reminder couldn't have hurt.

In fact, the phrase: 'Google rewarding natural products' doesn't make sense to the thread, actually, so let's get back to the original topic - and the category it is in: the 'White Hat SEO' menu topic.

Google rewards natural TACTICS on website construction, and how they come to be.

This is why people have come out complaining that 'SEO' is dead -- such as 'OVER-SEO'. This is when your SEO is 'too good'. Why? Because that is not 'natural'. It's like you're trying to 'tailor your product to Google' instead to tailoring it to the masses - the people who want to buy it and love it.

Now, when you have a product that you're passionate about -- that you've developed and created and marketed -- and subsequently people ALSO love it, that is what Google loves. They love the evolution of the site. The data collection, the decision made because of it, the optimization (using their tools, of course) and ultimately the arrival of perfection -- not the presentation of it.

Think of it as moving to a new school.

You're not going to be the most popular kid the first day. But little by little, if you put yourself out there and join clubs, activities, and really try hard in excelling at what you do, then eventually you'll be recognized and accepted in your 'circles' and gain 'authority status'.

Not only with your grades, but also your influence to other kids.

You're not the most popular the first day you move there. It's a natural process you get through hard work.

Because if you're caught cheating or lying about your credentials - you've pretty much damaged your reputation on day one. And you've pretty much ostracized yourself (sandboxed) yourself for a long, long time.

1. Sell what people want/need ethically.
2. If you play the G00gle game then listen to google.
3. Build for the long term and long term results will follow.
4. If it is interesting others will share and the search engines will take notice.
5. You may be able to fool a few for a while... Yourself included. Keep it real and you will have followers forever.
6. Build a business.

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