Rogers - April Update labeled as Final?

I'm simply making a point about using NIAP as a gauge for security. That's NOT what it's about.

For you maybe. Then, there is the real world...and the government purchasing departments that need verifiable, certified security solutions - not pomp and circumstance tied to midrange specs and keyboards.

Jailbreaking an iPhone is the Apple equivalent of rooting. You can also root an NIAP certified Samsung. Big deal.

Conite accusing NIAP being about no more than "jumping through administrative hoops" is both short-sighted and naive. It is incumbent upon lT professionals and the like to see past fanboy interests, and select products that are both proven and guarantee to perform as advertised.

Stringent government certification procedures exist for a reason, and shortcuts around them have consequences. Just ask any pilot of a 737 Max.

I was merely referring to your obvious, BlackBerry-biased position on the subject. Try seeing it from the perspective of a professional purchaser tasked with ordering certified, secure devices (that isn't a die-hard BlackBerry fan) for a large government or corporate client, not their own personal use. Would you put your reputation on the line ordering hundreds, even thousands of devices that weren't certified to be secure?

Jailbreaking an iPhone is the Apple equivalent of rooting. You can also root an NIAP certified Samsung. Big deal.

Conite accusing NIAP being about no more than "jumping through administrative hoops" is both short-sighted and naive. It is incumbent upon lT professionals and the like to see past fanboy interests, and select products that are both proven and guarantee to perform as advertised.

Stringent government certification procedures exist for a reason, and shortcuts around them have consequences. Just ask any pilot of a 737 Max.

Obtaining a root on an Android devices can lead to all kinds of elevated privileges that could completely compromise the security of the device and the data on it - not to mention any information coming in or going out.

Obtaining a root on an Android devices can lead to all kinds of elevated privileges that could completely compromise the security of the device and the data on it - not to mention any information coming in or going out.

And once you root a Samsung, you flip a security switch with a red flag, and void the warranty. Hmmm. Who's got all the conspiracies now? LOL.

Actually it is, thank you very much. One of many, in fact. And I'm sorry if it sounds disparaging, but NIAP not being relevant seems to be the gauge [sic] you need to justify that BlackBerry's self-laudatory security is quantifiably equal, or better. Perhaps the facts on this one are too inconveniently and annoyingly against BlackBerry's favour for your liking.

FYI.... BlackBerry Android Secure, is a failed product that BlackBerry doesn't care about at this point.

BBMo is about the PKB.... if you want a PKB then you'll get Android Secure too (and pay for it). But clearly enterprise didn't buy into Android Secure. What the future holds... we don't know.

Was it a bad product no, it suffered from the stumbling that BB Ltd did with the PRIV and the DETK along with the BB10 fiasco that burn many in enterprise that bought in. Add then to a Chinese company taking on the task of reselling branded devices... BlackBerry's Android Secure really had no hope. Not because of what it was, but because of who was trying to offer it.... lack of trust.

Can a device be rooted and information pulled from it... from what I have seen the answer is no. Can a device be rooted without a users knowledge than rebooted without them noticing anything... it would be very tough to set everything back up - but maybe. Can it be rooted and joined to a protected network.... not if the UEM is set up correctly. To me no root access really a big plus. If things go like they "appear" to be... going to be a lot of folks wishing they had root access.

FYI.... BlackBerry Android Secure, is a failed product that BlackBerry doesn't care about at this point.

BBMo is about the PKB.... if you want a PKB then you'll get Android Secure too (and pay for it). But clearly enterprise didn't buy into Android Secure. What the future holds... we don't know.

Was it a bad product no, it suffered from the stumbling that BB Ltd did with the PRIV and the DETK along with the BB10 fiasco that burn many in enterprise that bought in. Add then to a Chinese company taking on the task of reselling branded devices... BlackBerry's Android Secure really had no hope. Not because of what it was, but because of who was trying to offer it.... lack of trust.

Can a device be rooted and information pulled from it... from what I have seen the answer is no. Can a device be rooted without a users knowledge than rebooted without them noticing anything... it would be very tough to set everything back up - but maybe. Can it be rooted and joined to a protected network.... not if the UEM is set up correctly. To me no root access really a big plus. If things go like they "appear" to be... going to be a lot of folks wishing they had root access.

Certainly the brand identification is with the PKB, But I don't know that a KEYone from TCL without BlackBerry's security credentials would have sold half as many units. I can say there is no way in Hell I would have bought a Chinese Android without the guarantee that BlackBerry provided regarding OS integrity.

Certainly the brand identification is with the PKB, But I don't know that a KEYone from TCL without BlackBerry's security credentials would have sold half as many units. I can say there is no way in Hell I would have bought a Chinese Android without the guarantee that BlackBerry provided regarding OS integrity.