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$10 PLO 6-max: River with top and bottom pair, three way

This was an interesting hand from last night. I am not thrilled with all of my decisions. Looking for opinions on different actions. Fold pre? Fold flop? Fold turn? Check down river? I don't think there is a serious case to be made for raising any street, but if you do, then let me know.

We are 4-handed and I have the button. I think this is playable in this spot. I limp behind because I think the SB will 3-bet a lot of the time, and this is a hand that benefits from a cheap flop. The downside, this hand also benefits from being heads up. Still, it can't stand a 3-bet, so it's better to limp behind.

This is a really loose float in Omaha. Bottom pair, bare open-ender, and a backdoor nut flush draw. My straight outs are possibly also split pots. At the same time, J83r is a hard flop to really hit super-hard. Q-x-T-9 hits it well. T-9-x-7 hit it, JJxx and 88xx hit it. But, I have outs to all those hands (despite being dominated) and those make up a small percentage of his range. There are a lot of KKxx things.

Anyway, I thought it was a weird spot to lead full pot. And, then he got a call, which made me think same draw or Jx type hand. Getting 3-1, I went for it.

I am still feeling like a fish. Now I have two pair. There is an issue with some of my straight outs no longer being clean. But, this card doesn't improve a lot of the BB's range. Just AAxx and his dd hands. Still getting 3-1. It's probably a bad call, but I went for it anyway.

Everything missed, and it checks around to me. My hand will likely lose at showdown, but it's hard to imagine either of them have much to call with. It's risky, but I am not playing Omaha because I like feeling safe and cuddly. Let's shove.

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Interesting hand, I can't put BB on anything else 88 , or 33 but one combo or a wrap. If he had JJ though, he should play this river like top set and bet it. If nobody raises him he should be fairly confident 88 is good by the river. Maybe a wrap played very aggressively is more likely.

You can iso the limped open in position with this hand imo. On flop I think I would make my life easy and fold, for the reasons you mentioned but being on the button makes it ok I think. I let go of it on the turn even if pot odds are good I think, you can hit an ace on the river or your straight and still be dominated. That's becoming expensive for a not so great spot.

You could get called fairly easily by a better two pairs on the river I think, board isn't scary. I would just check, not sure you always lose here.

#3

November 4th, 2017, 8:52 PM

vinnie

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I hold two blockers to the available wraps, which doesn't make it impossible, but it does make it a little more likely something else is going on. It could be something like J-8-x-x, which I beat.

I'm not sure I like my river bet, but I also hate losing to hands like A-8 and A-6 in these spots. I think A-J is just going to look me up (if held by the BB). The CO has been super aggressive with anything at all (top and bottom pair is worth getting stacks in), and they should have bet. So, in that respect, I think you're right that I am ahead there. I might be ahead of the BB, probably am some of the time.

So, I really think I am risking only 38.3xbb (cause the CO would have bet two pair) to win 185.6xbb. Those times when I would have won anyway, aren't important unless he's calling. The question is, do I get folds from A6, A8, and AJ more than 17.1% of the time. If so, then I profit. If not, or if my opponents have better hands that never fold more often than that, then this bet loses me money.

I feel like it's probably close. The bet is so small (compared to pot) that I might get called by A8 more than I expect. I just don't know for sure.

#4

November 4th, 2017, 10:56 PM

KFlint

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re: Poker & $10 PLO 6-max: River with top and bottom pair, three way

Yeah it's the bet size left and the fish in the pot that makes me
think you won't fold better often.

#5

November 5th, 2017, 7:06 PM

Omahahahaha

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Trying to bluff the river is INSANE. Nobody in a million years is folding something better. The river does look like a clear value bet. Some interesting decisions here on the flop and turn. I think over all I do agree with your play, although folding either the flop or the turn are also tempting. On the flop we have only 8 nut outs and are getting 3:1, which isn't enough pot odds to call. You could make a case that we might get paid off if we hit and we could pick up spades or maybe a three is good, but I think it's quite marginal. On the turn we have only 3 nut outs now, but aces up might be good, even though the guy who bet the flop and the turn is definitely representing a better made hand.