Mr. Fix wrote:Waking

If, as Albert Einstein said, “unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth,”then it stands to reason that we should think critically toward, rather than blindly believe in, authority. No matter who or what that authority might be.

Whether it’s an eccentric physicist with wild hair or an authoritarian president demanding respect without giving it. Whether it’s a flat-earther challenging the very foundations of physics, or an overreaching cop high on false power. Belief in authority is a huge psychological hang-up for our species. It’s an evolutionary impediment of monumental proportions.

"Unthinking respect for authority" is oxymoronic.

I see you are trying to split hairs, and trying to find some conceivable way that having respect for authority has any moral underpinnings whatsoever.

It doesn’t.

In our system, being subservient to authority figures is not a voluntary act, in fact, in our system, if you do not comply fully with the state issued authoritarians, such as parasitical piece of shit law-enforcement officers, (Pigs), they're authorized to put you in a cage, and if you don't comply with that, they are authorized to kill you.

The only possible moral justification for complying with these gangs of thugs, is a value judgment whereby you reason that your death might be harmful to your family, you know, those people whom you already have a moral obligation to support.

It is also perfectly acceptable to conclude that your life all by itself has value to you.

I assure you it has no value whatsoever to the demonic piece of shit pig, who is only making a value judgment as to how much wealth he can extract from you.

Please don't confuse this with respect, complying with some piece of shit demonic scumbag committing an armed robbery to save one's own life is not respect, it is the result of coercion with the very possible repercussion of death if you don't comply.

Having respect for life, liberty, and your own personal pursuit of happiness, is completely inconsistent with having respect for some piece of shit whose job it is to take such things away from you, if you do not demonstrate complete subservience.

That leaves you with a choice when confronted by a thug wearing a uniform carrying a gun. You can submit to armed robbery, kidnapping, or die.

Those are the rules, I didn't make them up, I just play by them.

If your actions have caused no harm to anyone, there are some very valid strategies for handling such a dilemma in court, but at that point, you have already lost the time, and the effort in defending yourself against a demonic scumbag, who is going to become a lying sack of shit to demonstrate in court that you have somehow broken one of the rules passed down by his demonic overlords. After all, he's only doing his job, and if lying in front of a court enhances the flow of revenue, that is his job.

Therefore, the only moral course of action is to avoid these pieces of shit wherever, and whenever possible, and if confronted, commit to fully defending yourself in front of the magistrate who is just a fellow gang member wearing a different costume.

Again, this does not require respect, it requires a formidable strategy unknown to most, which can take months to research and implement.

I personally consider an aggressive defense against these groups of demonic scumbags to be a moral obligation.

Most people think it's okay to just pay the fine and move on.

It's not.

Any support for a system like this, is support for human enslavement, plain and simple.

It only exists to extract as much wealth as possible from those who have produced it.

Private, for-profit jails are now filled to the brim, mostly with people who have never harmed anyone. It is a business model. The United States has by far the highest incarceration rate on the planet, and it's not because we are inherently bad people, it's because we support inherently bad people and policies.

So we can look again at Einstein's quote, particularly on the keyword “unthinking" when applied to "respect for authority", and realize that it is in fact redundant. Having respect for someone whose job it is to rob you, imprison you, or kill you, demonstrates an inability to think.

heh GL

Funny thing Stackhola, I was in Manhattan too on St. Paddy's day having lunch with my wife, watching all the tourists rushing into the 99 cent pizza places while we were enjoying lunch in a nice restaurant.

And you just gave the forum a description of street food in the business and garment districts where none of us go because there are too many fucking tourists looking to enjoy a complete meal and beverage on a 5 dollar meal ticket. Your chance of getting good pizza in the five block radius is NILL. Next time think big and consider that NYC is 304.6 square miles and smart people do not put their business's where the white hillbillies look for entertainment.

Now for a honest assessment of NYC from somebody that knows it. It's probably why I don't trust your assessment of about anything.

NYC is still the commercial and financial center of the United States. White hillbilly,bucktooth imbred bumkin tourists pour into find a little leisure to escape the tedium of their little backass towns in white america. Yes, it is a busy, tight quarters, people bumping up against each other, highly policed piece of real estate. Unless, you know where to hang out. But it's a fucking city. That's what cities do. Cram people together. Of course, it if were in China, it wouldn't compare to the size and intensity of some of the second tier cities.

Typically a tourist like Stakhola, would head for the business district, where St. Paddy's day parade takes place with 1000's of adolescent Irish peeps who drink green beer, wearing their green Notre Dame football jersey to celebrate their culture and their identity. When I want to celebrate Irish culture, and I do regularly, I head to where the adults hang out, where they play pleasant Irish music for discerning ears, and drink beer out of a glass instead out of a bucket they wear on their head with two straws going in their mouth while singing Celine Dion songs out of tune.

If I were to ask them if they listen to traditional Irish music, and I have, they look at me like I am some dinosaur. So it seems Irish culture, for all it's rich history, for all it's ancient esoteric embracement of nature, the vast majority are just regular people, just like you.

Of course, one needs more than $20 bucks in their pocket to get into a nice Irish pub. And they prefer a shirt too. St. Paddy's day parade, like all the "I want to celebrate my home culture in America parades" is basically a mob scene. Plus the weather sucked on that day. It's kind of like celebrating Christmas Eve at the Mall. You got CLASS STACKHOLA. More like detention.

Now let's get to all the Crane's and the gentrification the liberals are complaining about. It seems there are alot of Donald Trump like Characters tearing down old buildings, including the Bowery and making one time low income welfare hotels into upper middle class neighborhoods with your choice of latte joints. The problem is as interest rates rise, people who bought something hoping to sell later are shit out of luck. That's everywhere America.

The money the fed is pouring into the economy guess where it goes? To middle America? Naaa. It pours into the pocket of all those wealthy bankers who usually don't resort to street food but if they do there is usually a steak or lobster roll truck outside and for a cool $25 bucks you get a meal that a middle class peep from Nebraska gets twice in a life. Of course, every good brokerage house has a fridge with a few bottles of champaign.

NOw all this gentrification means, prices are rising, botedga's are forced to move further and further outside the city, and it is becoming a town of two classes, rich and extremely poor. That is why I stay here is because I am aware of the economic realities and we have build our business to take advantage of the flow of money coming from the FED, while you pick your ass guessing when gold is going up.

I see your travel assessments are as good as your grasp of the CONSTITUTION.

At work last night, my coworker asked me what I was chuckling about. I told him "nothing bro".

you showed up right on time, I thank you for being so predictable sir!

still chuckling, I suppose I am easily amused in regards to some things.

such as exposing the fragility of a pompous cosmopolitan

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You're a shit stirrer (probably occupational too) that offers nothing. You come out here, like others, when there is an accident. Makes you a rubbernecker. You're an obvious dick. Your technique not so subtle. So any chance I have to tell you to go fuck yourself is an opportunity to speak the truth which is becoming REFRESHING AROUND HERE.

And of course, you work at night. Some of the best blue collar, untrained people from broken homes, arrest records, that drink heavily as a hobby are working at night. Everybody talking about the problem with hard working MEXICAN's. Ain't nobody talking about all the shit that lives in his country that's bringing it down. WE GOT MORE THAN OUR SHARE RIGHT HERE AMERICA!!!

ALOT OF DEAD WEIGHT AROUND HERE. People with NO Intention, and some with no capability to analyze events.

IF THIS WAS A BUSINESS, where diligence, accuracy counted. There'd be ALOT of unemployment and people standing in bread lines.

Mr. Fix I disagree. If you

Mr. Fix I disagree. If you think I’m splitting hairs then I think you’re happy to just take any quote and by ignoring the parts you don’t like, claim that Einstein supports you. Oh, wait, instead of ignoring you’ve judged it redundant. Well good for you because you have applied the tactics of all the evil you despise. It is as wrong when you do it as when they do.

The arguments you make in tar and feathering today’s authority are right on, but that is only half the battle and you don’t need Einstein but if you use him you’re accountable to the whole.

Authority is inevitable. In any population large enough people seek it.

Anybody get a chance to read

Anybody get a chance to read that book Pseudoevents by Booristin? My 5th mention of it........

Donald Trump has us all busy arguing over the merits of a trade war, of course I'm right if there ever is one, but it's fake news. NO TRADE WAR. TRump using Persuasion. China using Counter perusasion. He hasn't done shit and if he does, he'll exaggerate it.

The hilarious and most serious news of the Hondurian Immigrants (which smelled fake) never happened. Trump isn't moving troops to the border, and the news flow is filled with analysis of fake events. Ok Persuasion. Mexico is playing persuasion back.

We have fake news on the stock market, and alot of confused news. Nobody seems to know what the hell is going on and they spend alot of time and ink telling us.

We got fakeaccusations right here, better than Mueller, that gets everybody off their ass to give an opinion, , fakenews (from both sides) we have fakeleakers, (alot of that going on these days) Let's just keep a list #fakemarketanalysis, #fakebullishness, #fakearguements, #fakereligiouspiousness, #fakehattips, #fakecompentencies, #faketitties, #fakesex, #fakeposts, #fakejobnumbers, #fakefood, #fakegoatfarmers, #fakeunderstanding of the constitution, #madeupopinions disguised as truth.

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE

As Above, So Below.

No wonder the hindu's said the world is Maya, just a world of appearances.

And some of you actually walk around feigning enlightenment as you pass around fake news.

Just like her.

See baby, all fake. I suscpect some of you will pop a viagra and get a fake erection.

And one last commentary on fake goat farmer Katie Rose.

Make piece with your Big Daddy as Fix calls it.

Go back to Mainstreet, write another Cute and sweet post on how you buy things because because one day you'll know you'll be right. It seems that mainstreet likes that kind of sweet old lady commentary, because it's questionable if anybody even understands what Turd is saying.

I know a man who is 92 years old. Nice man. Goes to church everyday, volunteers at the hospital, gives homeless a dollar here and dollar there, and so some of us keep him company and give back. He's not that saavy on political things and financial things other than he knows save a dollar.

I hope to hell Katie Rose you're like him. Just a nice sweet old lady looking for people to talk to. I think that a few of you kind of want that. And maybe we should open a forum called,

"I AM NOT THAT BRIGHT, BUT I'M A SWEETIE"

Oh yeah, and Mr. Fix acknowledged that all the religious types have suddenly evaporated or simply went into lurker mode when they weren't able to defend their arguements. That's an astitute observation. People's own ignorance drove them away. NOT ME. I just pointed it out. But it ain't only the religious types. It happens here, people poke their heads out, make unsubstantiated comments, and never have the balls to back it up. That's not a forum designed to enlighten. That's bullshit.

So somebody here might want to say, well Green Lantern, it is what it is. We'll just regular people trying to make sense of the world. RIGHT. But it's also the reason I don't go to the Nuclear Physics Forum and tell people, it's my opinion that you should shoot more electrons ALOT faster through that cylinder.

BAAAH.

Society gets exactly what it deserves AND it's not just the aliens, and the bankers and the stupid politicians. Yeah, George Carlin got it right!!! Surprised they didn't take him out ALOT sooner. For telling the truth.

I don't blame him for snorting drinking and cocaine. If he saw some of the shit that gets posted here, he'd shoot himself.

Respect versus authority

I'll give this a shot. Respect and authority should never be used in the same sentence or, for that matter, in the same universe. I'm pretty hard edged about this. I don't respect authority. It may be necessary that I comply to someone who's been give power over me but I do not do it willingly. That chafes my neck.

Respect. I give it only to those who've spend years acquiring a skill or knowledge that's useful, life sustaining or brings value to others. If the person is willing to pass it on for a fee (my preferred method since knowledge has extraordinary value and I'll willing pay for it) or gratis (not preferred because this person is shortchanging themselves and should be compensated*) I respect that desire in another to pass on their knowledge.

Respect comes to those who have done something that is extraordinary and uncommon even if it may not seem that way to an untrained eye. The person could be seen as an authority in their field but they don't demand I respect them for this. Respect should inure to the master only if the master uses their knowledge appropriately. It should not be demanded. For example, respect should not be given to a person who is knowledgeable as well as in a position of authority when their demand obeisance to them by way of their superior knowledge. Respect coerced is nothing more than a form of cowing a free human when their obedience is demanded under threat of punishment.

Authority. Anyone who has been given some supra-unnatural power over others through some law or governing body. IE, politicians, judges, cops, regulatory enforcers and their ilk. No matter their mastery of some field, respecting a person who wields power that is unnatural is respect misplaced.

There's a lot of holes in this but I find the emotional reaction to respecting someone who has skills and knowledge or to someone trying to weigh down and press on me, to get me to respect my authority, is a fairly good snap shot gauge of either situation.

If it chafes and riles me then it's probably authority If it enlightens me, then it's probably a certain amount of respect.

*if someone says they'll give me knowledge for free I let them know that is not a balanced state of affairs. I insist on compensating them. IF they refuse I generally refuse to accept what they offer. In one way it's a form of stealing to take knowledge without returning something to the master.

On another hand, the question must be asked "Is this person who is willing to give away knowledge really that good?"

Taking something from someone without some form of compensation, not always monetary, creates a karmic imbalance that must be rebalanced.

SilveryBlue wrote:Duuude.

I don't think @Fix WANTS or LIKES to SEE any of it, any more than I do.

Capiche?

85% is huge/large/off the scale by anyones measure, so be sure it WOULD affect you.

IF they are all sheep (I don't believe it) we get gone by tomorrow.

OK? Not OK? OK-ish?

How many sheep/cattle would you like to purchase by tomorrow to keep your ranch going?

10, 50, 600, 2000, 10K, ++?

I can see what happens. I agree Mr. Fix and all don’t want it, don’t want to see it.

But if you or he or anyone else thinks authority will ever go away you need to turn the critical thinking inward. I hadn’t seen Einstein’s quote before but now that I have I think he was incorporating a bigger picture that some here are missing.

Compounding the miss by refusing to consider that might be true is what? Closed minded? Blind pursuit? Cultish? Unthinking?

Mr. Fix wrote:"Unthinking

I don't give a flying fuck what Einstein was implying when he made that statement, I am making my own.

Take 10 minutes and watch this:

Milgram Experiment Proves We Blindly Obey Authority.

A clear demonstration of unthinking respect for authority.

The only thing that makes authority inevitable, is the capacity for human stupidity to accept it.

Maybe you'd like to refresh your memory with the very, very first video ever posted on DOTS.

TheTinyDot

Human stupidity on display.

lol. Ok so you don’t give a flying fuck now. You just used Einstein to justify the same basic rant we’ve seen before. Well who knows maybe someone new joined and had a new thought based on it.

I didn’t look at the videos this time. If I comment you may say I am splitting hairs, or declare you don’t give s flying fuck about Nana, the Dots video and anything else that you use as a prop for your soapbox. Oh and I’ve seen the Milgram before....yes if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, most people won’t taste its shit for verification. I’m oversimplifying but that’s to pull away from misuse of the point Milgram was making.

I’m picturing a lifeguard ordering people out of the pool. Authority on display. I know you can make the lifeguard a thug with a few well chosen words but it’s my picture.

Principles before personalities.

I posted an article from "Waking Times" Magazine, which if you took the time to read, was an essay dedicated to the sheer stupidity of human beings recognizing authority figures, without giving it any serious thought.

It was the author of that article that considered Einstein's quote relevant, and it was, I just copied and pasted the first paragraph.

I substantiate all of my assertions with the research I've done to acquire them. If you choose not to expose yourself to the research and quantifiable facts, you have made a choice to remain an ignorant fool.

This has nothing to do with Einstein, nothing to do with Nana, and nothing to do with you, or me.

I used the Milgram experiment as scientific documentation done using a scientific method to quantify the fact that human beings are quite capable of respecting authority without giving it any thought at all. It is highly relevant to the discussion, and completely backs up my interpretation of Einstein's statement.

You on the other hand, have offered absolutely nothing but your opinion as a counter argument.

Since you can't objectively substantiate your opinion, you may wish to apply some thought to your mental process, instead of regurgitating propaganda, and carefully reconsider your position.

HappyNow wrote:
I’m picturing

I’m picturing a lifeguard ordering people out of the pool. Authority on display. I know you can make the lifeguard a thug with a few well chosen words but it’s my picture.

A couple of years ago, I already did the lifeguard scenario at an ocean beach where people regularly drown. People routinely get in over there heads because they think they know better. There is a heavy cost, to the state and the people when they wash up on the beach because they didn't heed the warnings and have no idea how to swim in rip currents. So in this scenario, I agree with you However, The results of the discussion were 20 people: fuck the lifeguards, let them drown and give them freedom (freedom they never had which was an illusion. And 1 person, there is a middle ground-that's me. Maybe you'll fair better at the argument, but I'm usually very thorough in my arguments.

My opinion was and has been that humans give away their authority. I don't want somebody using their power over me, ie politician to take away my money, and freedom. So I agree with Fix on that.

However, I will defer to an authority, a dentist, a car mechanic, a market analyst or even a boss when they have more experience or wisdom than me. NO PROBLEMS. It's a pleasure to be in those circumstances. Unfortunately, authority in politics (elected offices) are few and far between. I'm having a hard time of thinking of one at the moment.

So really there are two discussions going on because I know Fix will listen to somebody when they have proven themselves to be experts.

I do like Fixes call to discussing these things with specificity and reasoning. Otherwise, it's waa, waa, waa, waa, responding to waa waa waa. Of course, I engage in waa waa waa waa (as you've noticed) to those who don't earn the respect of engaging at the level of intellectual prowess that this forum portents to support. It's hard to come to discovery when peole are arguing, I believe in bears, I do, I do, I do .

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