And you're assuming that defeating the Horde is in the Alliance's interests in the long term. What you're actually talking about are short term goals.

Defeating an enemy who has stated a desire to rule the world - which includes your kingdoms and lands - and shown themselves to be unstable, aggressive, warmongering, cruel and led by a maniac is indeed something I consider a suitable long term goal for the Alliance.

It is little use ignoring the maniac pointing a shotgun at your head and getting ready to pull the trigger simply because you think the last bullet might be better used against the brute down the street.

I'll say what I've said in every Warchief topic, if it's not Vol'jin then they've wasted even MORE story development than they did when they made Garrosh the 'bad guy'. Vol'jin is by far the best choice for the position.

Eitrigg, Saurfang and Drek'Thar are too old. Thrall had the same thoughts when choosing a new leader before his departure to Nagrand and ruled them three out. Orks value strength in their leaders, an old person will not work there.

That's not why an elder wouldn't work. And elder wouldn't work because they'd just be too old to carry it out before dying, and it wouldn't be a very lasting position.

Anyways, the "The most unexpected Warchief would be Garrosh" post was a good one, but it's very, very unlikely that will happen.

Personally, I'm on board with Lor'thremar being a really, really interesting and somewhat unexpected choice.

If we expect Varian to closely monitore and influenses the election, he deffiantely woudl rather see a civilised, rational and inteligent Elf on the throne than a barbaric, brutal savage that the orcs and trolls represent.

Also there have been already talkings between the Alliance and the Bloodelves to lead them back into the Alliance. So I can totally see the reason for Lor Themar to become the next warchief since he is the only one Varian could accept. The only otehr solution would be conquering all of Kalimdor now once the Horde is weak and lost its fortress.

Also keep in mind, despite they are not the most vocal, the Blood Elves are the most played Horde race to this point.
So from a point of catering towards the majority, it has to be Lor Themar.

Personally I'd rally look forward to it, just because it is finally something different. It would be pretty boring to have another Orc after 2 Orcs who will make the Horde again that savage underdogs.

With Lor Themar on the throne the Horde can become a civilised and respected union.

If we expect Varian to closely monitore and influenses the election, he deffiantely woudl rather see a civilised, rational and inteligent Elf on the throne than a barbaric, brutal savage that the orcs and trolls represent.

Also there have been already talkings between the Alliance and the Bloodelves to lead them back into the Alliance. So I can totally see the reason for Lor Themar to become the next warchief since he is the only one Varian could accept. The only otehr solution would be conquering all of Kalimdor now once the Horde is weak and lost its fortress.

Also keep in mind, despite they are not the most vocal, the Blood Elves are the most played Horde race to this point.
So from a point of catering towards the majority, it has to be Lor Themar.

Personally I'd rally look forward to it, just because it is finally something different. It would be pretty boring to have another Orc after 2 Orcs who will make the Horde again that savage underdogs.
With Lor Themar on the throne the Horde can become a civilised and respected union.

So it'll be more like the ALLIANCE and less distinct? As an Alliance player I say no thank you, I like the contrast between the two factions. And I'm sure horde players don't want to become more alliance like.

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Originally Posted by ILoveLoreALot

That's not why an elder wouldn't work. And elder wouldn't work because they'd just be too old to carry it out before dying, and it wouldn't be a very lasting position.

Anyways, the "The most unexpected Warchief would be Garrosh" post was a good one, but it's very, very unlikely that will happen.

Personally, I'm on board with Lor'thremar being a really, really interesting and somewhat unexpected choice.

Even young warchiefs aren't having very long reigns. How long was Blackhand warchief before Doomhammer killed him? Most of Doomhammer's time as Warchief was spent on the run from the Alliance after the second war failed. Then we have Thrall, who had a respectable time but it was far from a lifetime, and now Garrosh who's only lasting a few years. Who says an elderly orc couldn't take the position and reign a good ten years before having to step down?

"If you have to believe it on faith, you have no reason to believe it at all.” Aron Ra

At this point, im willing to bet its going to be Thrall. I just dont think anyone else within and outside(Varian?) of the Horde would trust anyone but him. Please dont give me the ''but he has a child now!!!!!1111'' thing, Varian has a kid and hes the king of the alliance, Varian's father was king of the alliance when Varian was a kid, he ruled perfectly fine. In any case Thrall has is better, because he has a wife to take of thier child. I think we're gonna be seeing that Doomhammer plate sooner than we think.

I don't think the total destruction of the horde is in alliance's interest: some race of the horde are respected by the alliance (tauren, maybe troll) and a great war with heavy casualties would bring useless and barren territories (barrens, stonetalon, azshara). The only true point of interest for the alliance in horde's hands is lordaeron, but that is another story. And the eastern half of ashenvale.

Another huge reason it was be strategically stupid would be because you can't really rule a whole planet. It's been proven in every single empire that if they get greedy and their rule stretches too far they end up losing control and destroying themselves. Sharing and working together with another large faction would be the smartest thing for the alliance in the long run. Varian is a smart guy and he probably understands that he couldn't take in all of the races into the alliance like the Blood Elfs, Taruen, and Trolls because of the racism in the alliance and not allowing The Horde to reform under a better leader would be like him convicting 100,000s of lifes to death considering who unstable everything is with them.

One of those 4. Nobody else relaly makes sense and out of those 4 it's probably going to be saurfang or vol'jin. I would assume saurfang will be the orc racial leader and vol'jin will be warchief, or saurfang will be both, but I suppose we'll have to wait and find out. And for those people saying it's going to be Rexxar, no. Stop being rexxar fanboys, he has nothing to do with the current story, he hasn't made an appearance in years. It's not going to be rexxar.

Because the Horde is broken at the end of the siege and would have no say in anything Varian wants.

Also, he isn't choosing the Warchief. I would imagine (hope) he would choose Saurfang to temporarily be the Warchief, while the Horde gets it shit together and votes on a new one. You don't want a repeat of last time a Warchief was chosen on the fly.

Indeed, and Saurfang wouldn't be a nonsense as Varian's choice. I mean, he went so far to stop Muradin in ICC and letting Varok recover the corrupted body of his son, all the while saying that Saurfang Jr. died like a hero, and deserved a hero burial.

Saurfang is old, but still a great warrior and a goddamn veteran, if not as permanent Warchief would perfectly fit as a temporary one.

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Originally Posted by Talen

Defeating an enemy who has stated a desire to rule the world - which includes your kingdoms and lands - and shown themselves to be unstable, aggressive, warmongering, cruel and led by a maniac is indeed something I consider a suitable long term goal for the Alliance.

Except that with Garrosh dead along with basically all of his loyalists all of what you wrote will fall into oblivion. It's pretty obvious that since the Horde rebeled against its own leadership, they will be a lot more careful about which leader to appoint and which behavior to follow, because in the end is what they want, and the orcs will be no exception.

So no, there is no serious interest in pursuing a war that would be far from being easily won by the Alliance, where even conquering Thunder Bluff alone after Orgrimmar will cost heavy casualities (like if the Siege itself wasn't enough).

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Originally Posted by Keyblader

It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.