Not at all. It's where the setting's credibility goes flying out the window, along with all of my patience. Yet for the sake of this LP, I'm not going to use the Child At Heart perk to outright skip it.

Ironically enough, my first playthrough through the game I wiped out Paradise Falls and freed the kids before I visited Lamplight, so they just let me right on through and I didn't see why everyone hated it so much aside from the complete implausibility of it. On repeat playthroughs I began to loathe it though.

And yeah, the name makes sense given the whole plot of the game and with the water purifier.

Not at all. It's where the setting's credibility goes flying out the window, along with all of my patience. Yet for the sake of this LP, I'm not going to use the Child At Heart perk to outright skip it.

Ironically enough, my first playthrough through the game I wiped out Paradise Falls and freed the kids before I visited Lamplight, so they just let me right on through and I didn't see why everyone hated it so much aside from the complete implausibility of it. On repeat playthroughs I began to loathe it though.

And yeah, the name makes sense given the whole plot of the game and with the water purifier.

Well, I'll get more into Lamplight when the time comes but basically it's a huge jarring tonal shift, the game completely railroads you through it, the existence of a city filled with children brings up a ton of questions and the kids are just assholes to you.

Well, I'll get more into Lamplight when the time comes but basically it's a huge jarring tonal shift, the game completely railroads you through it, the existence of a city filled with children brings up a ton of questions and the kids are just assholes to you.

Thanks for the shout out on twitter by the way.

I see. I just rushed through and never came back. Not that it bothered me, there was just really nothing left to do.

Was I annoyed by the chores? A bit. At this point, I was glad that the plot was moving forward at all though. I think there may be some intention in these chores being annoying though. You do a bunch of stupid tasks and then think, "Oh, God! Not another one!"

Then you see a freaking Vertibird. I think the quest makes that moment much more surprising. Of course, this is lost on you once you've already played it. But I like the contrast of a boring moment transforming into a critical one.

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I never liked James as a character, seeing him die made me think that now I was free from the shackles of helping him, but no I still couldn't join the Enclave. How come Anna Holt can join them but I can't?

Also main characters dying or disappearing seems to have become a staple in Bethesda games.

In Morrowind Caius leaves during the main quest, in Oblivion the Emperor dies and then Jauffre becomes almost uesless and now in Fallout 3 James dies.

ChupathingyX:I never liked James as a character, seeing him die made me think that now I was free from the shackles of helping him, but no I still couldn't join the Enclave. How come Anna Holt can join them but I can't?

Also main characters dying or disappearing seems to have become a staple in Bethesda games.

In Morrowind Caius leaves during the main quest, in Oblivion the Emperor dies and then Jauffre becomes almost uesless and now in Fallout 3 James dies.

It's like how BioWare traditionally has a redshirt character in the beginning of their games. But Bethesda hires a big name actor and tries to make you care about their redshirts.

The Citadel didn't annoy me so much. I remember looting crap out of that place. I did get a little scared when I saw the huge robot. I acted like a timid dog around a stranger...just kind of keeping an eye on it as I take a circuitous route around it. Then I shot it for a while until I was satisfied that it was no threat.

DustyDrB:The Citadel didn't annoy me so much. I remember looting crap out of that place. I did get a little scared when I saw the huge robot. I acted like a timid dog around a stranger...just kind of keeping an eye on it as I take a circuitous route around it. Then I shot it for a while until I was satisfied that it was no threat.

I can be irrational in games sometimes.

Sounds like the best reaction to Liberty Prime I've ever heard. I (somehow) barely noticed the robot my first time in the citadel. Don't ask me how.

Fuck, this is long. I apologize once again for the extremely long wall of text in this update. Next update will come later today, I promise. It's almost already done, I just need a bit more time and I like to space things out a bit.

Not highly of them. As you said, they're rather dickish to you no matter what, even though you're putting your ass on the line to help them.

Also, I found this on the wiki

"Brotherhood outcasts patrolling the Capital Wasteland are considered evil. This means that they will incur no karma penalty when killed, and will potentially drop a finger for those with the Lawbringer perk.

...

It is possible to overhear to unnamed Outcasts at the Outcast Outpost considering defecting to Talon company, which apparently pays better than the Outcasts. This may help explain why unnamed Outcasts are considered evil characters "

AlternatePFG: Wait, wait, wait. The Pip-Boy is stuck to your wrist? That makes absolutely no sense and it's never mentioned once in the entire game. This is the most contrived way to make the PC "important" so far in this game...

Actually if I recall correctly, Stanley in Vault 101 mentions that you can't take the Pip-Boy off.

Why? I have no idea.

At least Obsidian retconned that little "fact" in New Vegas.

So, what do you guys think of the Outcasts in this game?

Although they are assholes, I prefer them over the actual BoS in Fallout 3...but that's not saying much.

The Outcasts? I wasn't overly fond of them, but at least they acted like the Brotherhood is supposed to act. At least Fallout 3 has a flimsy excuse for the Brotherhood acting the way they do, apparently the ones you work with in the main game acted like the BoS typically acts, but decided to help out the people of the wastes while collecting old war tech. The outcasts were among the group but split off thinking their mission was more important.

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Luxatrum:The Outcasts? I wasn't overly fond of them, but at least they acted like the Brotherhood is supposed to act. At least Fallout 3 has a flimsy excuse for the Brotherhood acting the way they do, apparently the ones you work with in the main game acted like the BoS typically acts, but decided to help out the people of the wastes while collecting old war tech. The outcasts were among the group but split off thinking their mission was more important.

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That seems to be the way many people feel. Not liking them, but liking their characterization more than the main FO3 Brotherhood.

Man...there's a lot of Fallout 3 bashing here. I hope this isn't turning into an anti-FO3 support group.

Anyway, welcome to the Escapist! Don't feed the trolls, enjoy the grilled cheese sandwiches, and stay out of the basement. Things happen down there...we don't like to speak of.

That seems to be the way many people feel. Not liking them, but liking their characterization more than the main FO3 Brotherhood.

Man...there's a lot of Fallout 3 bashing here. I hope this isn't turning into an anti-FO3 support group.

Anyway, welcome to the Escapist! Don't feed the trolls, enjoy the grilled cheese sandwiches, and stay out of the basement. Things happen down there...we don't like to speak of.

I do like Fallout 3 I really do. The setting is great, the mood and the music, and combat are all great. It's just the story that holds it back really. Hell I just made a new character because the two LP's here inspired me to do so. I'd LP my little play through, as well but I have no recording equipment so it's be more like a log.

I swear, once we get into the sidequests, exploring and Point Lookout, this LP will be much less negative. It's just that we have to get through the bad stuff first.

I apologize for the rather cut up nature of this update, but I really can't just comment on 90% of what happens at this part. It's really just slogging through the same 3 types of areas until you get to the artillery guns.

Well I played on an elmo mod so of course I named my character Elmokillu and specialised in melee weapons because even though I would see things from a normal height whenever I would go into 3rd person It would show a little red ball of fluff running around with a bloodstained knife, yes I did have a one liner Elmo hug you >=]

Man...there's a lot of Fallout 3 bashing here. I hope this isn't turning into an anti-FO3 support group.

I genuinely love Fallout 3 and think it's a fantastic game. That said, it had a ton of problems (especially the main quest) that I feel deserve some bashing. Most of the game is, in my opinion, wonderful though.

I do like Fallout 3 I really do. The setting is great, the mood and the music, and combat are all great. It's just the story that holds it back really. Hell I just made a new character because the two LP's here inspired me to do so. I'd LP my little play through, as well but I have no recording equipment so it's be more like a log.

That's excellent, LPs can be a little frustrating, but they're fun :)Even without recording software, an LP can be excellent (see: this thread). Screenshots can work just as well, if not better than video. A text-only log may also be interesting.

Dr_Horrible:That's excellent, LPs can be a little frustrating, but they're fun :)Even without recording software, an LP can be excellent (see: this thread). Screenshots can work just as well, if not better than video. A text-only log may also be interesting.

But I have a console version so I'm pretty limited in that degree. And I've already played to level 5.:V

Dr_Horrible:That's excellent, LPs can be a little frustrating, but they're fun :)Even without recording software, an LP can be excellent (see: this thread). Screenshots can work just as well, if not better than video. A text-only log may also be interesting.

But I have a console version so I'm pretty limited in that degree. And I've already played to level 5.:V

Like I said, a logbook-style LP could be fun if you want to do something like that. One other thing to keep in mind for the future is that you should be able to hook up a camcorder to your TV to record the footage (I think, pretty sure anyway).