The Beta is from CNW and it works pretty well. Forskholi does work well as a long term body recomp agent. It is somewhat subtle, but all of the fat burning and health benefits make it worth it for me.

I don't think forskolin is complete bunk but it works best in overweight or obese people where lipolysis is either a rate-limiting factor or they have a problem with HSL and so its effects in lean people can be limited. I think Matt's beta product should be good in theory though.