I agree, what the Pats did doesn't necessarily mean squat for this team.

On the other hand, I also see several people who think we're going the way of Raider-fade because we're old. That's really no different... you're comparing two teams from different years that have something in common. I do it, everyone does it, it is just an example of a team doing something extraordinary to let us know that something is possible. Nothing more, nothing less....

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 07:15 PM

Next to the "deprogramming the D" excuse this is the most heard statement at 1 Arrowhead drive. The Patriots had the majority of their players on their team that actually played in a Super Bowl where we have maybe 1 or 2. Big difference.

Ari Chi3fs

09-19-2004, 07:16 PM

So you believe we will go to the SB and win this season?

No. we are experiencing a whole new level of ineptitude. [thanks Jenson]

We will finish behind the Donks and Raiders... and perhaps the Chargers... nothing will surprise me this year. Im planning on a top 5 draft pick and much cheaper Season tickets next year.

Skip Towne

09-19-2004, 07:25 PM

No. we are experiencing a whole new level of ineptitude. [thanks Jenson]

We will finish behind the Donks and Raiders... and perhaps the Chargers... nothing will surprise me this year. Im planning on a top 5 draft pick and much cheaper Season tickets next year.
Much cheaper season tickets. Hahahahahahahahahohohohohohohhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 07:26 PM

Much cheaper season tickets. Hahahahahahahahahohohohohohohhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No shit. We are the 3rd highest in the league in average ticket prices. It will be a cold day in hell when CP cuts ticket prices.

tk13

09-19-2004, 07:30 PM

Next to the "deprogramming the D" excuse this is the most heard statement at 1 Arrowhead drive. The Patriots had the majority of their players on their team that actually played in a Super Bowl where we have maybe 1 or 2. Big difference.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but much like the Panthers, the Pats are another good example of drafting well on the defensive side of the football. I mean, philosophically speaking, the Chiefs are not that far off from doing the exact same things the Pats and Panthers have done... in terms of philosophy it's very similiar. The difference is we have not done it well, we haven't drafted well, we haven't coached well, we haven't gameplanned well. You look at the Pats and Panthers and they are perfect models of what we want to do defensively. The Panthers drafted 9 of the 11 defensive starters you saw today... the Pats drafted McGinest, Law, Seymour, Bruschi, Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel... what do the Chiefs have to show for the numerous defense draft picks we've made? Fujita? Sims? Wesley? Hicks?....

Ugly Duck

09-19-2004, 07:32 PM

Not to worry, Chieftains. Both the Patriots and the Chargers started off at 0-2. I predict your fate will fall somewhere in between that of those two.

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 07:39 PM

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but much like the Panthers, the Pats are another good example of drafting well on the defensive side of the football. I mean, philosophically speaking, the Chiefs are not that far off from doing the exact same things the Pats and Panthers have done... in terms of philosophy it's very similiar. The difference is we have not done it well, we haven't drafted well, we haven't coached well, we haven't gameplanned well. You look at the Pats and Panthers and they are perfect models of what we want to do defensively. The Panthers drafted 9 of the 11 defensive starters you saw today... the Pats drafted McGinest, Law, Seymour, Bruschi, Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel... what do the Chiefs have to show for the numerous defense draft picks we've made? Fujita? Sims? Wesley? Hicks?....

What I was trying to say is that I hear players and fans alike trying to rationalize their performance by saying that well since the Patriots went 0-2 and won the SB then we will do it. That is totally BS and unrational. 2 totally different teams coached and managed very differently. You are right in that we haven't drafted well but the Patriots have and they have made the "right" FA signings for minimal money.
I think our biggest problem is the player personnel department and being able to recongize talent on both sides of the ball. We have failed miserably in that department.

KCWolfman

09-19-2004, 08:03 PM

2 teams have won the Superbowl after going 0-2. NE added Tom Brady and Dallas added Emmit Smith, unless we get a killer defensive player, I just don't see it happening.

David.

09-19-2004, 08:19 PM

well New England went 0-2 season and won the Super Bowl

Ugly Duck

09-19-2004, 08:32 PM

No shit. We are the 3rd highest in the league in average ticket prices. Is that speculation or fact?

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 08:33 PM

Is that speculation or fact?

Fact. There was an article in the Star not too long ago about it. The Patriots are 1st, Redskins 2nd and the Chiefs 3rd. Buffalo is last.

Ugly Duck

09-19-2004, 08:38 PM

Fact. There was an article in the Star not too long ago about it. The Patriots are 1st, Redskins 2nd and the Chiefs 3rd. Buffalo is last.Heavy duty! I'm surprised... the cheapest ticket in Oaktown is $59.... I figured that'd be way up near the top!

BigOlChiefsfan

09-19-2004, 09:03 PM

So THIS is how it feels to have someone question our Patriot-ism? Might as well question our collective Bronco-ism, Charger-ism and Raider-ism while we're about it.

KCWolfman

09-19-2004, 09:13 PM

Fact. There was an article in the Star not too long ago about it. The Patriots are 1st, Redskins 2nd and the Chiefs 3rd. Buffalo is last.
They were wrong. I just checked ticketmaster and saw the NYG games are 85.00 for upper level, Tampa Bay is 68.00, Oakland is 69.00.

NE can be had as cheap as 49.00 for upper level, which is less than the Chiefs upper level.

And that is only a random sampling.

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 09:16 PM

They were wrong. I just checked ticketmaster and saw the NYG games are 85.00 for upper level, Tampa Bay is 68.00, Oakland is 69.00.

NE can be had as cheap as 49.00 for upper level, which is less than the Chiefs upper level.

And that is only a random sampling.

I don't know I tried to find the article with no luck. They were talking about average ticket prices or something like that.

I don't know I tried to find the article with no luck. They were talking about average ticket prices or something like that.

Chiefs Ticket Prices

Club Level $80
Field Box $73
Upper Box $68
Field Reserve $63
Upper Reserve $59
I still think they are way off base. Club level seats at all of the stadiums I listed were at 300.00 or more

tk13

09-19-2004, 09:39 PM

Is that speculation or fact?
That's fact... Lamar actually supposedly wrote a letter to Carl complaining about it. We'll see what happens. Some people want to spend money and says they'd rather have a guy like Dan Snyder that goes gets FA's.... the only way that would ever happen is if the club makes more money on gameday...

Chiefs Pantalones

09-19-2004, 09:42 PM

I HAVE A DREAM, BITCH!!!

Chiefs Pantalones

09-19-2004, 09:44 PM

The Pats didn't raise their ticket prices and they won the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs, once again, choke in the playoffs and they raise theirs? That's a bunch of crap.

tk13

09-19-2004, 09:51 PM

The Pats didn't raise their ticket prices and they won the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs, once again, choke in the playoffs and they raise theirs? That's a bunch of crap.
The first time the Pats won the Super Bowl, their average ticket price went from $47 to $76... a 60% increase. They've led the league in ticket prices by a good margin over the last three years....

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 10:12 PM

I still think they are way off base. Club level seats at all of the stadiums I listed were at 300.00 or more

These were single game tickets listed at Kcchiefs.com. I still can't find that article.

dirk digler

09-19-2004, 10:15 PM

The Pats didn't raise their ticket prices and they won the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs, once again, choke in the playoffs and they raise theirs? That's a bunch of crap.

The Chiefs have raised their ticket prices every year that CP has been in charge except after the 1998 meltdown season.