Obama Throws Israel to the Dogs

America is on the verge of abandoning its most reliable ally in the Middle East, thanks to Barack Hussein Obama.

He began his betrayal with lip service to Israel’s concerns about defending itself from the relentless jihad that has been waged against it throughout the sixty-three years of its lifetime as a sovereign state: “For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure. Symbolic actions to isolate Israel at the United Nations in September won’t create an independent state. Palestinian leaders will not achieve peace or prosperity if Hamas insists on a path of terror and rejection. And Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist.”

Yet after saying that “Palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of Israel to exist,” Obama called for the establishment of a Palestinian state. Yet neither Hamas nor Fatah have acknowledged Israel’s right to exist, and Obama did not make that acknowledgment a condition of the establishment of a Palestinian state. He was merely making an observation, akin to something like: “You’ll never get a good job by sleeping in the sun all day” – more on the order of a polite request, a mild nag, rather than a firm condition.

Obama also called for “two states,” explaining that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

It was widely reported Thursday evening that Obama was calling for a return to the 1967 borders, but this is not the case. He actually called for the creation of a “sovereign and contiguous state” for the Palestinian Arabs, and said that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines.” Thus he wasn’t calling for a return to the 1967 lines, but new borders “based on the 1967 lines.”

There were, however, no 1967 lines in which Palestinian Arab territory was contiguous. For the territory of Palestine to be contiguous, that of Israel will have to be substantially reduced. Israel’s 1967 borders were indefensible, and Obama is calling for Israel to be reduced even further so that a contiguous Palestinian state can be established.

What’s more, Obama specified that the new Palestinian state should have “borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt,” while Israel should have “borders with Palestine.” The implication was that Israel, in Obama’s vision, will border on neither Jordan nor Egypt — only on “Palestine.” Yet currently Israel has substantial borders with both Jordan and Egypt. Obama was implying that his contiguous Palestine would comprise not just Gaza and Judea and Samaria, but large expanses of Israeli territory bordering on those two states.

That would leave a truncated, reduced Israeli rump state, reminiscent of the reduced and defenseless Czechoslovakia that remained after Neville Chamberlain fed the Nazi beast at Munich. And if Obama did not mean that the diminished Israel he envisioned would have no territory bordering on Jordan or Egypt, the establishment of a contiguous Palestinian state including Gaza and the West Bank would cut Israel in two: Palestine’s contiguous territory would come at the expense of Israel’s.

The Neville Chamberlain analogy is totally missplace and utterly irrelevant. The situation between Israel and Palestine is much more akin to the d eKlerk apartheid polices in South Africa from the late 1940 to 1990s.

If you really want to get religous about it – the Palestinians are just as much children of God as are you, me and the Israeli people. The fastest way to end the prospects of terrorisim in Israel is to treat Palestinian's with human dignity allow them to pursue freedom and economic prosperity. Just because the U.S.successfully did this same thing the Native Americans doesn't make it acceptable for Israel to do the same to Palestinians.

Roy Berkowitz

Intoning Winston Churchhill as some beacon of Christianity and freedom is as misguided as the small demographic of Muslims that acutally believe in you misplaced 'literal' definition of Islam.

The truth is Muslim extremism is just as dangerous to America democratic ideals as the views of the Christian right wing (from which most of the uneducated inane comments on the board are originating from) Throughout history, both Christans and Muslim are ability to claim credit for the murder and pillage of thousands of innocencts who are only trying to provide a better life for the family – today is no different.

The only threat to America and Christianity are the type of perverse views about how evil solely exist with Arabs that many are writing about on this board.

trickyblain

"The only threat to America and Christianity are the type of perverse views about how evil solely exist with Arabs that many are writing about on this board."

Close, "THE LEFT" is the only other source of evil. Eliminate the Left and Islam and we'd have right-wing Utopia.

SpiritOf1683

As you think the Christian Right is so bad, then why don't you take off to Saudi Arabia with a kippot superglued to your head?

Roy Berkowitz

Sorry, but frankly this argument is incredibly inane to say it politely.

ziontruth

How can anyone argue with such systematic logical argumentation? /sarc

morriswise

UN peacemakers who are forcing Israel to return to its Pre-67 borders have only a short term solution. Eventually Israeli`s will have to face charging Muslim armies who are shouting: GOD IS GREAT. But after that bloody battle is over, God will be cursed, and Atheists will bring peace to a secular Middle-East.

phillyfanatic

The 19th, Bama dissed Israel and kow towed to the Islamofascists. Today, the 20th, BIBI put the Man-Child on notice as an adult. No way was Israel going to give up her borders to negotiate with terrorists just because America wants it to. Good for BIBI. The only friend we have in the ME and Bama tells it to make it a 9 mile wide state! Yikes. BIBI should run for the Pub Prez nominee. Then we would know American security would be a priority. Why would any Jewish American voter vote for this socialist naif in the WH??? Yikes again.

Jim_C

How much do you want to bet the title of this article was written before Obama even gave his speech?

Mark

If Israel does not want the 1967 lines, what do they want? Is there a major centrist concensus in Israel about these non-1967 lines?

MixMChess

The government has been consistent about bringing some of the settlements into Israel proper and handing over Arab towns and territories to a future Palestinian state. The fiasco that is Gaza has proven that without an appropriate buffer, Palestinians will have a much easier time to launch attacks against Israel. That is why the 1967 borders are essentially unworkable and unacceptable – the Palestinians would be in a proximity to attack all of Israel's major cities with rockets (like they do currently in Gaza to S. Israel).

BUCKEYEBORN

Obama MAY say he is a Christian and MAY have spent 20 years in Wright"s church but he certainly doesn't read the Bible or he would know that GOD will have the last word re Israel NOT Obama. God punished the JEWS 2520 years, the punishment ended in 1948 with their return to their homeland WHICH they will NEVER leave. Secondly they gained control of Jerusalem in 1968 as the result of the 6 days war in l967…….again GOD's WORD says they will be there until Jesus returns.

God is not a man that HE should lie, The Age of the End (or End Times) began with the return of the Jews to their homeland, May 15, 1948. HE is in control and it is His Word that will prevail. Obama can try to throw Israel under the bus but The LORD will have HIS Way, His Last Word and His last laugh.

Jim_C

In other words, it just doesn't matter what happens–it is written. So why comment? Why not just sit back and let things unfold, la de da…?

BUCKEYEBORN

What Obama appears not to know……..about the Bible and these End Times is over whelmingly shocking for a so called Christian.

Daniel's Seventieth Week ended with the return of the Jews in 1948. Check Daniel 9: 24-27. ( Reading these verses requires knowledge of how God uses the various meanings of seven or sevens, and an understanding of the Jubilee year and the abominations.)……..The Dome of the ROck and the al-Aqsa Mosque both built on the COURT of the GENTILES on the Temple Mount but NOT on the site of the Temple. God has protected the actual site with an invisible wall. Obama simply is showing his ignorance on things Christian and his true feelings for all things Muslim. GOD will not be mocked. Some one should remind Obma that there is no ice water in hell.

trickyblain

Exactly! How could Obama not know about that invisble wall??? It's right there for everyone to see!

Roy Berkowitz

So what happens on May 21st?

BUCKEYEBORN

Another very important consideration from God's Word. Israel, the USA and Britain will always be untied (check out the three sticks in Hosea). The USA represents the tribe of Ephraim…………

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

The USA and Christianity per se are both in for a 'helluva" ride but we know how it turns out in the end…………we have read the Book.

SIde bar: Guests in Arab homes are not welcomed with a red carpet but 70 white raisins on a silver plate. The word for raisins and virgins is very similiar………Some one mistranslated many years ago……… and the idea of 70 virgins was born. There will be lots of disappointed Muslim when they get raisins……………if they get anything at all except a fast trip to what will certainly NOT be Paradise.

Wake UP

The only one good thing this president has done. Israel should stop being the bully in the school yard considering it does so with our tax dollars. I'm ashamed that my dollars go to a country that should have embargos placed against it. How can you just make up a country to place people in it that have been kicked out of every other country(documented here: wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism) and then let them act as parasites and abusers to the indigenous people? Check out the site If America Knew.

MixMChess

"Israel should stop being the bully in the school yard considering it does so with our tax dollars."

How is Israel the bully when Arab/Islamic countries have initiated every single war in the region? Did you forget that Hamas lobs rockets daily at Israeli kindergartens?

"I'm ashamed that my dollars go to a country that should have embargos placed against it."

I am more ashamed that my tax dollars go to terrorist states like Pakistan and go to support the terrorist Palestinians in their goal to implement another Holocaust of the Jews. Israel has only had embargo's placed against it from totalitarian Arab/Islamic states like Iran. Of course, I am sure you think Iran and its ilk are paragons of human rights, huh?

"How can you just make up a country to place people in it that have been kicked out of every other country(documented here: wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism) and then let them act as parasites and abusers to the indigenous people?"

That actually best describes the Palestinians, considering the Jews are indigenous to Israel and have maintained a continuous presence their from time immemorial.

The Jews are the indigenous of Palestine. Arabs in Palestine are settler-colonists, and it is they who are abusers to the indigenous people of Palestine, the Jews.

KRASHKOWALSKI

LET'S ALL OF US, CHRISTIAN & JEWISH, MAKE MR. O'BUMMER A ONE TERM PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR.

morriswise

UN peacemakers who are forcing Israel to return to its Pre-67 borders have only a short term solution. Eventually Israeli`s will have to face charging Muslim armies who are shouting: GOD IS GREAT. But after that bloody battle is over

Naturally they would be. They were hoping for an announcement from him calling not just for an Arab settler state in the post-1967 borders, but for the flooding of pre-1967 Israel by descendants of the refugees of the War of 1947-9.

John

If the settlements you are referring to are the ones that are on property contained on land Israel has controlled since 1967 when the Arab world attempted to destroy Israel and that the Israelis have instead turned into self-sustaining farming and agricultural meccas as opposed to Arabs who are still asking for handouts, throwing rocks and sitting all day long complaining of how the Israelis are doing something with the land while they do nothing to help themselves, the land or their people except birth and raise children to hate and kill Israelis, then yes, I have heard of them.

vivikaja

You are right !__Palarabs are doing nothing but asking for handouts – ask EU !!____Every year we pays a hell of lots of euro to this scumbags – and we are tirred of this people !____We pay to them in the ME and we pay to them who live in Europe because they too are not willing to work.____Vivi Andersen, Denmark____

MixMChess

You obviously haven't heard of settlements either Scum. Or did you forget that Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and dismantled 3 settlements in the W. Bank. Israel has also stated its clear intentions of dismantling settlements to make peace. Seriously, you're an idiot.

13Sisters76

Obama is a traitor to our country and to our allies. We can see the damage he has done already- I shudder to imagine the damage he will do if he is re-elected. He is willing to put Israel's security on the chopping block for the sake of a phony group, the "palestinians"? I thank God that Israel is a strong and courageous nation totally without our help.
The Naziis are on the march again…only now we call them "progressives".

trickyblain

"We can see the damage he has done already"

Such as…???

LindaRivera

There never was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible, not once in the Koran.

In Islam, a peace agreement is A TEMPORARY ceasefire. And in Islam, peace is achieved when a hated infidel nation is attacked and conquered.

Demanding little Israel surrender half her highly cherished BIBLICAL homeland and capital to barbaric enemies bent on Jewish genocide is the greatest betrayal in all of history. It is despicable and profoundly evil.

Flowerknife_us

Obama is using the ews to help re-create what the the Young Turks had the wisdom to get rid of.

May God forgive us the sins others commit in our name.

Eli Rossberg

Look gang, the only way to redraw national borders is through war. If Israel is at all serious they would move in tanks and annex the West Bank and Gaza by force…Of course there are minor side effects like utter nuclear devastation from Iran and Jihad from Hezbollah, fatah, hamas and the rest of the middle eastern world – but if you're not going to treat the Palestinians as subhuman you might as well be a man about it and use force and go out with guns blazing.

ziontruth

"Of course there are minor side effects like utter nuclear devastation from Iran and Jihad from Hezbollah, fatah, hamas and the rest of the middle eastern world…"

Because staying put and making concessions of Jewish land have been of such great efficacy in preventing those things. Not.

"but if you're not going to treat the Palestinians as subhuman…"

The only ones with an agenda of treating the other side as subhuman are your precious so-called "Palestinians"… really the Arab settlers, who raise their own children to be suicide-murderers.

sharksbreath

If you were Israel why would you want American Christians supporting you. Don't you know why they support you.

They support you because they believe having Jews in Israel is a step to having Jesus come back as their savior. Not the Jews. Who don't believe Jesus is their savior.

So why do you want their support. Either you believe Jews being in Israel will bring back the so called lord and savior or this is the biggest con job in human history.

I'm going with the latter.

Tpartymom

I am an educated Christian. I would argue that most are very educated.The so called Christian people responsible for massacres in the past,had no idea of real Christianity and therefore were not real Christians. As far as Islam,the muslims have always been about murdering those who refuse to believe the way they do and still carry out those murderous acts today.Christians are being murdered And persecuted everyday and yet I have yet to see where there is retaliation by the Christians. Furthermore, I haven’t heard of one true Christian killing becauseof Bibles being burnt in Iran. As for the Prophecies that Yeshua fulfilled there were 109. Read Is.53 please,also the Messiah had to come BEFORE the destruction of the 2nd Temple.In Psalms it speaks of His crucifixion long before crucifixion ever existed.And His appearing to 500 after His resurrection can’t be explained away psychologists won’t even try to say mass hysteria or hallucinations. Why is it so easy for people to hate someone who never sinned,only loved us so much that He willingly died as because without the shedding of His blood there is no forgiveness of sin or eternity in Heaven.I am right now praying for all of us and for our leaders and for Jerusalem, for He will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee Jerusalem. I love you,the people of Israel may the Lord G-d Almighty bring peace and prosperity to you and cause your enemies to turn from their wicked ways. Forget 1967 borders Obama lets go back to the Covenant made with Abraham and make sure the borders are where G-d intended. Cause if you try and split the land Mr.Obama,you might as well give Mexico back what was theirs and the Indians will want back what was taken and that would make all Americans not enrolled in an Indian tribe refugees. So what your doing to Israel really doesn’t make sense.

bob maram

President Obama's "Peace at any Price" policy will produce neither peace nor a viable Israel. Where is a Chruchill or a Reagan now that we need them again. Bob Maram

Amused

"Obama throws Israel under the bus " !! Funny , THAT bus has been running around since 2008 and George Bush' statement regarding Israel !

Oh , that memory hole !! How convenient …GW said reverting TO THE 1949 PRE-ARMISTICE BORDERS / A CONTIGUOUS PALESTINE -would be necessarry for peace .
I disagree with BOTH ,[ Obama and Bush ] but at the same time expose the HYPOCRISY found in all of handwringers and whiners .ESPECIALLY FOuND ON THE RIGHT >lol….everything you accuse Obama of , has forst benn suggested by Bush and other republican Presidents .
ALL however , including Obama , Bush [both SR.& Jr. ] Reagan , Clinton , Nixon , Carter , all have or WILL learn , that the final word on ANY of their " peace proposals " will be that of Israel itself ………PERIOD . Israel will not "bare its neck " , nor cut it's own throat , for the sake of American Politics and it's typical partisan B.S. There will NEVER be any "contiguous Palestine " which cuts Israel in half , nor will Israel's security be compromiused geographically for any purpose let alone a Palestinian State .

Devonshire

I am an Irish Catholic -just so you know – and I have never been to the US in my long life. For the life of me I couldn't understand how anyone Jewish could vote for him.
He showed his colours at the time of the election process, it was clear even to me.
Can anyone assist me? I mean, even I saw this Munich coming.
And surely they won't vote again will they?

muchiboy

"America is on the verge of abandoning its most reliable ally in the Middle East, thanks to Barack Hussein Obama."

With "friends" like the rogue Israeli state America can't afford any more enemies in the region.muchiboy

SpiritOf1683

And with Jew-hating psycopaths like yourself around, we can see why six million Jews were herded into the gas chambers with nary a voice raised in protest. Your biggest disappointment in life is that you couldn't have been a member of the Einsatzgruppen.

Amused

Unfotunately many of the screamers here , don't read , and a simply too lazy , to bdo anything but repeat the screeds and rhetoric , like little parrots , stroking each other with uninformed talking points .With little or no knowledge of what's going on , oblivious to facts on the ground , but more than willing to pick up the gauntelet that their demagogues place under their uniformed noses .Led like sheep from issue to issue , to chirp your expected pavlovian responses .I wonder , can any of you actually THINK for yourselves ? Instead of being led by the nose to reach "your conclusions " ?

muchiboy

"“For the Palestinians, efforts to delegitimize Israel will end in failure."

Israel doesn't need any help from the Palestinians here.Israel has shown it is capable to the extreme in its efforts to legitimatize itself in the eyes of the world.With a history of occupation,colonization,ethnic cleansing ,expansionism and a plethora of human rights violations,crimes against humanity and war crimes vis a vis the Palestinian people Israel has failed the moral test of a legitimate modern state.She is in good (im)moral company in the region but is being surpassed by other neighbors in the Arab Spring.Like every other human rights violating,undemocratic country Israel cannot see the forest for the trees.If Israelis and Jews cannot recognize their crimes against the Palestinians,the immigrants with their desendants should return to their own countries and maybe in another two thousand years will have learned the lessons needed to participate in a tolerant ,multicultural nation without violating the rights of its own war refugees. Israelis and Jews generally should be ashamed of them selves for how they have treated the indigenous Palestinian Arabs to settle the Diaspora.muchiboy

ziontruth

"…the indigenous Palestinian Arabs…"

You just contradicted yourself.

If you say "Arab," then "indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula" follows from that.

"For the territory of Palestine to be contiguous, that of Israel will have to be substantially reduced."

Exactly.muchiboy

ziontruth

For Israel to be secure, anti-Zionism will have to be cracked down on.

muchiboy

"Palestine’s contiguous territory would come at the expense of Israel’s."

Given the actual way in which Zionists re-created Israel,(i.e.de facto occupation,de facto colonization,de facto ethnic cleansing),at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs,it is not unfair to partially correct such historical wrongs at the "expense" of the very same"recreated" Zionist entity.Your arguments are vein, petty and greedily shameful and unworthy of your stellar and unblemished history.Give back some or much of what you stole so that all can live in peace and prosperity.The onus in on the Israelis and Diaspora,by default.Failing this,the onus is on America and the world to force change.muchiboy

ObamaYoMoma

Now come on Muchiboy, there are no historical wrongs, as your fanatical and unhinged obsession with hating Jews leads you to believe anything against Jews as long as it is derogatory, and if it is not derogatory towards Jews, then you automatically dismiss it. In other words, you reject all truth with respect to Jews by default. Hence, your reality is not really reality. In other words, Israel didn’t steal anything, but you nevertheless believe they did because your fanatical and unhinged obsession with hating Jews has inverted your reality in your extremely perverted and twisted mind, which leads you to believe your insane delusions.

In any event, the real reality is the Islamic world, mainly through its proxies the so-called Palestinians, is waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir and Jammu in India, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the atheist and Christian Orthodox unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Christian and animist unbelievers in the Ivory Coast, just like the Islamic world is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, etc., etc., etc., and any and all unbelievers around the world including you and me.

You see the Islamic world divides the world between believers and unbelievers and applies one set of rules and ethics for believers and a completely different set of rules and ethics for unbelievers. Thus, all non-Muhammadan unbelievers living in every Muhammadan majority country in the world are violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether without exception, which you totally ignore deliberately to feed your unhinged obsessions and delusions.

Anyway, seek mental help for your severe problems with hating Jews and your insane delusions, as it is very unhealthy and frustrating for you to continue incessantly inciting hatred and violence against Israel to facilitate another genocidal holocaust of Jews.

The onus in on the Israelis and Diaspora,by default.Failing this,the onus is on America and the world to force change.Muchiboy

Really? Why must the world subordinate the pursuit of its own interests to pacify the so-called Palestinians according to you? Why should the interests of the so-called Palestinians, which were created out of whole cloth and are the proxies of the Islamic world, supersede the collective interests of the world? What makes pacifying them a higher priority than giving the Kurds a homeland? Why do you hate Jews so much? Are you a Nazi?

SpiritOf1683

He certainly is a Nazi, and he thinks the murder of six million Jews wasn't enough, and believes it was nine million short of trhe mark.

ziontruth

"…at the expense of the Palestinian Arabs,…"

Arabs must stay content with their indigenous territory, the Arabian Peninsula; or, if they can't help appropriating territories outside their indigenous mandate, let them keep their hands off a land whose indigenous people is still extant: Palestine, indigenous land of the Jews.

ObamaYoMoma

Obama should have announced that we are going to have a new peace process, one that not only includes the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, but also includes the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, Mumbai, and India, the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russian, the Christian and animist unbelievers in the Ivory Coast, the Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum, as the Islamic world is not just waging permanent and perpetual jihad against Jewish unbelievers in Israel, but it is also waging permanent and perpetual jihad against all unbelievers in the world. Hence, lets lump them all together and seek peace with the Islamic world in one fell swoop.

Here’s how I envision such a new peace process: We would say to the Islamic world to either cease waging permanent and perpetual jihad against all unbelievers around the world immediately, or otherwise the collective unbeliever world united together will annihilate the Islamic world by ousting all of its leaders, destroying all of its nuclear weapons programs and nuclear arsenals, and finally by seizing all of its oilfields and oil wealth to make it impossible for the Islamic world to continue waging permanent and perpetual jihad against unbelievers.

muchiboy

"collective unbeliever world united together will annihilate the Islamic world by ousting all of its leaders, destroying all of its nuclear weapons programs and nuclear arsenals, and finally by seizing all of its oilfields and oil wealth to make it impossible for the Islamic world to continue waging permanent and perpetual jihad against unbelievers."

Yea,then Israel could order her human rights abusing IDF goons into the Palestinian refugee camps and annihilate the innocent refugees like your proxy Phalangist militia did at Shatilla and Sabra.Or bomb Arab cities back into the biblical ages irregardless of civilian deaths.My God,you think the Jewish people would empathize with these people,knowing the horrors of concentration and death camps.muchiboy

tanarg

How many years will it take to erase the marks this ultra-creepy man Obama has left on my country? And the stench? When will that dissipate?

Eli Rossberg

That's like complaining about a garlic smell when your living next to a sewage treatment camp built by that idiot George Bush… still amazed that your people where dumb enough to vote for him twice.

tanarg

Certainly not ideal, but FAR better than the dolt(s) running against him.

ziontruth

Obama is but a symptom. He was elected on the wings of disinformation by the left-dominated media, and by the ignorant youth the left-dominated education system churns out.

Again:

Finish. McCarthy's. Job.

tanarg

Agreed!

Robert Laity

I would say that Obama IS a "Dog" but WHY INSULT DOGS?

ObamaYoMoma

What Obama did was announce to the world that he would subordinate America’s interest to the goal of making the Islamic world like us. In other words, he said that ensuring the Islamic world liked us is more important than even pursuing America’s interests, and as his first step to the achievement of this new foreign policy initiative, he threw Israel under the bus and threw the Islamic world a bone in the hopes that it would help make the Islamic world like us.

Apparently, Obama didn’t get the memo that says no matter what we do or do not do, it doesn’t really matter because Muhammadans will hate our kafir infidel unbelieving guts regardless and no matter what because they are obligated to hate our kafir infidel unbelieving guts no matter what. Hence it doesn’t really matter what we do or do not do, as the Muhammadans will turn it around and use it to incite hatred and violence against us no matter what because that is a manifestation of Islam.

Indeed, take a look at the history of Israel, the Islamic world has completely twisted and inverted reality and thus now uses that inverted reality to constantly incite hatred and violence against Jewish unbelievers. It’s a manifestation of Islam and there is nothing Israel can do short of capitulating to the Muhammadans, whereby another genocidal holocaust of Jews would inevitably ensue.

We [believers] disown you [non-believers, including family] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us—until you believe in Allah alone (Koran 60:4).

Amused

Muchi-boy ….at the end of the day , Israel will do what it needs to do in order to survive amongst the barbarians that surround her . Neither Obama nor anyone else will persuade israel to put down its guard and make the security of oit's people a secondary consideration . Obama will learn this , just as Had Both Bush's Clinton , Reagan , right down the line . The Israelis understand arabic , or did you think they only spoke and understood Hebrew . Do you think the palestinians are fooling anyone ? They dont want peace ort a second state , they want ONE Palestinian State ,and DEAD JEWS . There is no difference between Hamas and Fatah regarding this desire , only the time frame in which to do it . Yes , Israel IS the BEST ALLIE ther US has , not only in the M.E. but in the World .And the sooner the US presidents realize that the Palestinians are Filthy Bloodthirsty Liars , the better . And that will happen , as the palestinians cannot , even for their own benefit , restrain themselves from committing heinous murders, and running their filthy mouths .

muchiboy

"Why must the world subordinate the pursuit of its own interests to pacify the so-called Palestinians according to you?"
Well,I think moving to satisfy the legitimate,historical grievances of the Palestinians is in the world's and even Israel's longer term interests.

"Why should the interests of the so-called Palestinians, which were created out of whole cloth and are the proxies of the Islamic world, supersede the collective interests of the world?"

One could have said just that about the Zionists and Diaspora.And to repeat myself,Peace in that very volatile neighborhood is very much in the collective interests of the world.

" What makes pacifying them a higher priority than giving the Kurds a homeland?"
I don't know if a Palestinian state is a higher priority then a Kurdish state.It may be more difficult and complex,because a Kurdish homeland would involve several independent states contributing territory e.g.Iraq,Iran,Turkey.But while the Kurds lack an independent Kurdish homeland,they are not "homeless" in the sense the Palestinians are homeless,they occupy their traditional territory (as far as I know,because I am not familiar with Kurdish history).While one of my grandfathers is Palestinian,the other is Scots.Now the Scots are not politically independent,but they occupy their own homeland.Thus I believe there are reasons why Palestine may be more a priority then either the Kurds or Scots.

" Why do you hate Jews so much?"
How much?And I don't beat my wife,dog or children,either.

"Are you a Nazi?"
Nazi symbolism is powerful and awful,thus making it an effective and useful means of accusation.Yet,over or inappropriate use might diminish the symbolism and meaning,as has been pointed out here before.One doesn't have to be a Nazi or anti Semitic to criticize either Israel or the Diaspora when the roots or motives of these criticisms are based on the crimes committed by the above against the Palestinian people i.e.the occupation and ethnic cleansing ending in the denial of the Palestinian homeland and birth right. muchiboy

ziontruth

"Peace in that very volatile neighborhood is very much in the collective interests of the world."

Appeasing Islamic imperialism on Israel's expense will only embolden the former and bring more war, therefore very much contrary to the collective interests of the world.

sydchaden

Obama's "new approach" to the Muslim World could be better termed, "Preparing the groundwork for another Holocaust". The incredible thing is not that Obama is doing what he is, since he began to broadcast his intentions during his campaign for the presidency. The incredible thing is that so many American Jews continue to support him. What ever happened to "Never Again"? It is a much simpler matter to anguish over a holocaust that has already occurred, than it is to face up to one that has not yet happened. If American Jews don't want to face up to it, then they best ready themselves for the anguish.

ziontruth

The Arab settlements on indigenous Jewish territory (=Palestine) are indeed a problem and will have to be taken care of for the sake of a just and viable peace.

Amused

That's interesting , since it's a page out of George Bush's Administration .Bush suggested pre 49 armistace . The Israelis ignored Bush , as they will Obama , and rightly so . Funny , I don't recall hearing any warnings about 'holocaust " then ? BTW , that last sentence was a pretty nasty thing to say .

USMCSniper

All of you like ignorant imbeciles like crackerjack and jim who have their lips pressed firmly to the incompetent mullato Obama's hemmoroids need to realize the sooner this subpar idiot is out of the Whitehouse the better for America. But you won't because you are all too stupid to even suspect you are stupid!

SpiritOf1683

There should be far more settlements and the Paleonazis should be sent packing to Egypt and Jordan where they belong.

chadi

You dumb unprofessional idiot, did you live on a farm or maybe an animal control shelter which would explain your animal behavior. By the way do your parents bark too?
woof woooooof

Amused

That's allright chadi USMCSniper , walks around with his head planted firmly up his arse wondering why everything stinks .

Amused

And look at the ignoramus' that give him a thumbs up .The mentality around here is reaal special .

http://www.wastewatchersinc.otg richard ahern

President Obama has mae a big mistake with Isrel-He will pay the price

Amused

The World has made a big mistake with Israel ….and the WORLD will pay the price .

Amused

NO EXCEPTIONS

muchiboy

Woof! Woof! muchiboy

MixMChess

Comparing muchiboy to a dog is an insult to dogs everywhere. Now if it were to dog excrement the comparison might be closer, although still a bit insulting to the excrement.

SpiritOf1683

Its grossly insulting to the excrement.

muchiboy

"And with Jew-hating psycopaths like yourself around,."

The problem with throwing sh!t,Spirit of…,is that you have to pick it up to throw it.Now wash your hands,please!
There are good,decent,wise and compelling reasons for your American President to take your Israeli Prime Minister by the scruff of his Zionist neck and tell him just exactly how it is and how it will be.The world is changing at an ever faster rate then we may have thought or even like,and those who don't change risk being left behind.Most of the world came to see years ago what the President stated so clearly,forcefully and bravely this week.It can only be land greed or paranoia that prevents Israeli's and American Jews from coming to the same conclusion.It is obvious to all but the Israeli and Jewish minority.That selfishness on the part of Israelis and Jews most certainly contributed to 9/11. It was obvious,and still is, that Israel ,a so called friend and allie,cared little about America's image or position in the world.Some friend.Again,with friends like Israel,America doesn't need any enemies.So,America had little choice but to tell Israel just exactly how it is and how it will be.Like it or lump it.Go your own way if you like,but without America to hold your hand,you will perish among the wolves.There are certain useful analogies here to Rhodesia,but hopefully the Jews will fare better then the Europeans in Rhodesia did.For the most part,your people are a righteous people.God Bless Israel.God Bless America. muchiboy

ziontruth

"It can only be land greed or paranoia that prevents Israeli's and American Jews from coming to the same conclusion."

Let the Arabs with their over 20 states and the Muslims with nearly 60 states, in both cases covering a huge mass of land on the globe, ponder the true meaning of "land greed" (and paranoia as well–every children's doll from the West is a "Zionist conspiracy" with those guys) before they accuse anyone else of that.

"That selfishness on the part of Israelis and Jews most certainly contributed to 9/11."

No, it was the selfishness on the part of the origami hobbyists that most certainly contributed to 9/11. Why the origami hobbyists you ask? Um, why the Jews?

I try to be sparing with Nazi analogies, but when people blame the Jews and the state for 9/11, such analogies are inescapable.

"…but without America to hold your hand,you will perish among the wolves."

So, you invoke God's name twice at the end of this post, yet you just now write a sentiment that denies His existence by attributing the continued survival of Israel to human beings rather than to Him. As I said to another poster, this blasphemy is the one reason why the governments of Israel and America are further drawing apart. Because HaShem doesn't like false attributions.

"There are certain useful analogies here to Rhodesia,but hopefully the Jews will fare better then the Europeans in Rhodesia did."

You could open a burka factory with all those veiled threats.

Amused

The only thing that contributed to 9/11 muchboy , is the twisted islamic cult which produces suicide serial killers .
The palestinians should be gratefull to fate , that the Israelis are not like them , lest there would not be one palestinian left alive .
As for the U.S. , we will be their ally ….period .We will stand on the position that Israel has a right to exist , noi peace plan will be forced upon Israel , and the US will share it's advanced weaponry with Israel in order that it may defend against the enemies that surround her .The U S will ensure , that the State of Israel shall survive .And THAT is a matter of US National Policy , it has and will remain unchanged.
Go get your head screwed on straight muchiboy , you got things mixed up , perhaps it's that arab/muslim mmindset eh ? Get in touch with REALITY , muchiboy , and the way it WILL BE .

Jim_C

I agree with Amused. US policy and support for Israel has not and will not substantially change. If there are existential threats to Israel, we will face them together. You would literally have to be suicidally mad to truly attack Israel–and unfortunately that is the culture of the Palestinians.

That said, America's interest is in regional stability. If it were not, then we would not contribute all that foreign aid to Israel and her rivals and enemies. We would simply let Israel do what Israel will do. And even Bibi knows that that is not an optimal state of affairs. So we continue this game. yes, I hate it. yes, I hate the double standard for Israel–but that double standard is the price of being a forward-looking democracy: one is held to a higher standard than the shambling, pathological chaos of the other side.