Originally posted by Dr UnlikelyLike everyone else, I had pretty much no time for anything that happened between Heyman spearing Vince and the first commercial break in the main event match. Swagger vs. Del Rio is a weird mess and what they're doing with Ziggler and Cesaro is...well, I wanted to say baffling, but that's not true. I've been watching this stuff for too long to not know what they think they're doing.

But it's still kind of astounding that they can't see what they're doing wrong on a company-wide level when they take a guy like Cesaro and kick his legs out from under him right as he's establishing himself as the best act on TV. It's even worse than talented guys like Rhodes and Sandow getting steamrolled because Wrestlemania needs building, because Cesaro himself is presumably going to be asked to carry a segment of Wrestlemania ('s pre-show).

If you throw Danial Bryan in there you have an All-Star cast of wrestlers and mic workers doing nothing but looking like fools. The WWE roster has more talent on it then I ever remember there being at one time, there is no excuse for shows dragging like this. At the very least all of these guys should be feuding over a mid level belt like the old WCW Crusierweight Division while the announcers talk over their match. Again it comes down to the devaluation of the middle titles and the holder of those titles always losing non title matches.

Ok, considering this just started it's getting fair reactions. Nothing overwhelming & it are a bit grinding depending on where it is in the three hour show. Yet, story & characters with this is so extremists that it is laughable but in those wonderful ways. As in Glenn Beck prides himself on being outspoken should have accept the invitation but they went with the next best thing advancing what they have. Which is Alberto Del Rio who's been transitioned from an snob Mexican aristocrat into a hero for the country. Swagger is with Zeb is being turned into the WWE's Constitutionlists which without having to post this in the current events topic is what I can identify with in this story. So can my father who's approaching 69 years old this year & his quote from this past Friday morning at breakfast is... "that is great!" He loves this "we the people." So topical facts piss off people, joy isn't this what Punk has done except mainly inside the "WWE Universe" & wrestling business where these stories and characters are based with more issue that have the real world reality involved. Which illicitness emotional responses and exactly why the WWE doing it!

I just don't see where this is going to go and the WWE has a terrible track record with topical issues. I would be more surprised if this ended with a rewarding outcome than if this slipped into Muhammad Hassan territory.

To say they have a terrible track record on topical subjects is an understatement. I would argue their 2003 run of HHH and JBL, the racist champs lead them to a lot of their rating and buyrate problems through the 2000s. A problem, they have only recovered thanks to kid friendly Cena, Taker, Austin and Rock popping in to pop the Mania buyrates. They have no idea how to properly end those storylines without it becoming a political disaster.

I also realize the WWE fans are not the most cordial when it comes to these subjects. The idea that I might have to sit next to some idiot fan spout a lot of Dutch's ideals or laugh at every racist comment, is not something I want to deal with. It wouldn't bother me if they want to cheer the heel, shit I am going to do that. Yet, to cheer for this sad attempt of trying to be controversial for the sake of being controversial to get the so-called "casual" fans that are probably more turned off than turned on is just moronic. I really do hope they cut this off soon or at least add someone like Orton or someone else to take some heat off of this match.

The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.

They might be running with this new Swagger character as a heel who they know will get cheered in an attempt to appeal to two audiences. They get to cater to the anti-immigration masses, while also nominally having the character be a heel so as to have plausible deniability when defending the character to advertisement buyers who have pro-immigration views.

I had the discussion on Twitter about "racist Jack Swagger getting cheered in the South" and I think everyone who argues that is doing a real disservice to wrestling fans and Southerners.

The only place in the world where The Junkyard Dog was more over than Calgary was New Orleans. When the Freebirds "blinded" JYD and he couldn't see his baby-girl, the Freebirds had to have a police escort to get out of arenas alive and unhurt. (And that was nearly 40 years ago!)

He was massively over throughout the Mid-South territory.

If anything, there is an argument to be made that wrestling fans have been more progressive about racism than society has been.

Originally posted by LlakorThe only place in the world where The Junkyard Dog was more over than Calgary was New Orleans. When the Freebirds "blinded" JYD and he couldn't see his baby-girl, the Freebirds had to have a police escort to get out of arenas alive and unhurt. (And that was nearly 40 years ago!)

He was massively over throughout the Mid-South territory.

If anything, there is an argument to be made that wrestling fans have been more progressive about racism than society has been.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think this is necessarily the best example, given those specific circumstances.

I don't think wrestling fans are the same now as they were then. Meaning, an angle where a man is blinded by dastardly dudes and thus, unable to see his newborn—I mean, that is some heavy, "hey man, you really crossed the line"-type stuff. It's a good angle, but I'm not sure if it would have the same effect if it happened today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is fans are too "smart"...>coughBut I could be wrong and short-sighted, too.

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Originally posted by LlakorThe only place in the world where The Junkyard Dog was more over than Calgary was New Orleans. When the Freebirds "blinded" JYD and he couldn't see his baby-girl, the Freebirds had to have a police escort to get out of arenas alive and unhurt. (And that was nearly 40 years ago!)

He was massively over throughout the Mid-South territory.

If anything, there is an argument to be made that wrestling fans have been more progressive about racism than society has been.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think this is necessarily the best example, given those specific circumstances.

I don't think wrestling fans are the same now as they were then. Meaning, an angle where a man is blinded by dastardly dudes and thus, unable to see his newborn—I mean, that is some heavy, "hey man, you really crossed the line"-type stuff. It's a good angle, but I'm not sure if it would have the same effect if it happened today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is fans are too "smart"...>coughBut I could be wrong and short-sighted, too.

And that's probably part of why they have Dutch Mantel doing this character. He's experienced enough to say these things, then spin it in a way that'll piss off the racists out there who would cheer him.

All the conversation on the best RAW match - my choice would easily be Undertaker vs. Jeff Hardy in a ladder match. I loved that match so damn much. The end was fantastic, too, as was the showing of respect afterward. Absolutely incredible.

Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoI just don't see where this is going to go and the WWE has a terrible track record with topical issues. I would be more surprised if this ended with a rewarding outcome than if this slipped into Muhammad Hassan territory.

I can agree with terrible track record but Hassan was more in the wrong place, wrong time, category. Seriously, the UK subway attack was compared to the actions of laying out the Undertaker by other wrestlers portraying an exaggerated beat down.

Speaking of which on the other side of the ball park I'm kind of surprised that no one has picked on The Shield for looking like terrorists or some kind of fascist militant group for the way they act.

I think the only group that did well was the WWE making fun of the PTC & creating the RTC.

I can go farther back into flag burning which I know the WWE is way to high above to do but back in the day that caused riots on the independent level. Yet I could be wrong, the way they're pushing the Zeb & Swagger characters they may actually consider something that mind blowing. All I'm saying is I'm for more edgy characters.

Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoI just don't see where this is going to go and the WWE has a terrible track record with topical issues. I would be more surprised if this ended with a rewarding outcome than if this slipped into Muhammad Hassan territory.

I can agree with terrible track record but Hassan was more in the wrong place, wrong time, category. Seriously, the UK subway attack was compared to the actions of laying out the Undertaker by other wrestlers portraying an exaggerated beat down.

Speaking of which on the other side of the ball park I'm kind of surprised that no one has picked on The Shield for looking like terrorists or some kind of fascist militant group for the way they act.

I think the only group that did well was the WWE making fun of the PTC & creating the RTC.

I can go farther back into flag burning which I know the WWE is way to high above to do but back in the day that caused riots on the independent level. Yet I could be wrong, the way they're pushing the Zeb & Swagger characters they may actually consider something that mind blowing. All I'm saying is I'm for more edgy characters.

If they burn flags than they can kiss their advertisers good bye. There is also a good chunk of evidence that when they push these racist characters to the moon, they lose viewers. Contrary to popular belief, controversy doesn't always lead to cash. It sometimes lead to being thrown off the stage.

The Shield is just an indy NWO. At least that is how I view.

The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.