Here's a hot topic I'm sure I may end up banned from this site as well this post being censored or deleted but I don't care anymore I'm done with "Deaf Culture" I have no respect for that culture anymore due to the massive prejudice and inner-culture racism. Its offical ASL is a social retardation upon the Deaf culture weather they like it or not its a FACT provable heck I've always disliked the NAACP for keeping the racism alive etc. But they look perfect compared to Deaf Culture & Pro ASL freaks. Since they don't have so much inner racism like this culture does!! Now on topic...

SEE vs. ASL why you wonder... Easy let me show you why It's very critcal that anyone born deaf or being brought up and educated needs to be taught SEE first before taking on other languages thruout the deaf culture in order to avoid these issues mentioned in the next paragraph. They can stay in denial and accuse me of being biased or motivated to move them towards CI/HA/ speaking etc... Which is PURE BULLSH#T and they know it themselves deep inside if they actually have a reasonable logic thinking skillset. I've experinced the best of BOTH WORLDS so those accuscations hold no water at all.

Too many instances where ASL folks make no sense whatsoever to the average american /english speaking folk. Its sad that they don't notice it themselves because they ASSume they're speaking proper english or make sense to everyone when in reality they don't at all cept for their own socially retarded ASL partners/ cultures. It's outrageously embrassing since they act like it's all good and normal yet hearing people and real Americans are like WTF?!?! LMAO that dude is out of wack did he ever go to school or is he really DEAF and DUMB? Take a look at a few members it's easy to spot these very issues I'm talking about. Theres a user with a title as ASL GURU as well many ASL hardliners and pro deaf supporters with the same issues themselves that remain in denial, since they REALLY cannot see nor grasp that fact since they started off with ASL instead of SEE.

Guess what none of that ASL GURU user's posts make a damn sense at all. Too much ASL= socially retarded period. Thats's why they passed the rehab act to give parents the choice to bring their child into mainstream schools and ensure they don't suffer these consquences of being deeply immersed into ASL/ deaf culture as it's NOT the REAL world. But yes many love to use it as a crunch and remain in that world after school is out and even obtain jobs thruout the nation helping other deafies which is honorable to a certain degree but when they're purely doing it to help growth of the culture and ASL as well push their options and judge those who want to go the other route than ASL and Deaf Colleges etc..It's unacceptable and disgusting. Now let's watch the retards help retards by bashing the living hellva outta of this post brought to you by a profound hearing loss user since birth.

My last post and I'm not coming back ever again feel free to do what you want to with this information.

Here's a hot topic I'm sure I may end up banned from this site as well this post being censored or deleted but I don't care anymore I'm done with "Deaf Culture" I have no respect for that culture anymore due to the massive prejudice and inner-culture racism. Its offical ASL is a social retardation upon the Deaf culture weather they like it or not its a FACT provable heck I've always disliked the NAACP for keeping the racism alive etc. But they look perfect compared to Deaf Culture & Pro ASL freaks. Since they don't have so much inner racism like this culture does!! Now on topic...

SEE vs. ASL why you wonder... Easy let me show you why It's very critcal that anyone born deaf or being brought up and educated needs to be taught SEE first before taking on other languages thruout the deaf culture in order to avoid these issues mentioned in the next paragraph. They can stay in denial and accuse me of being biased or motivated to move them towards CI/HA/ speaking etc... Which is PURE BULLSH#T and they know it themselves deep inside if they actually have a reasonable logic thinking skillset. I've experinced the best of BOTH WORLDS so those accuscations hold no water at all.

Too many instances where ASL folks make no sense whatsoever to the average american /english speaking folk. Its sad that they don't notice it themselves because they ASSume they're speaking proper english or make sense to everyone when in reality they don't at all cept for their own socially retarded ASL partners/ cultures. It's outrageously embrassing since they act like it's all good and normal yet hearing people and real Americans are like WTF?!?! LMAO that dude is out of wack did he ever go to school or is he really DEAF and DUMB? Take a look at a few members it's easy to spot these very issues I'm talking about. Theres a user with a title as ASL GURU as well many ASL hardliners and pro deaf supporters with the same issues themselves that remain in denial, since they REALLY cannot see nor grasp that fact since they started off with ASL instead of SEE.

Guess what none of that ASL GURU user's posts make a damn sense at all. Too much ASL= socially retarded period. Thats's why they passed the rehab act to give parents the choice to bring their child into mainstream schools and ensure they don't suffer these consquences of being deeply immersed into ASL/ deaf culture as it's NOT the REAL world. But yes many love to use it as a crunch and remain in that world after school is out and even obtain jobs thruout the nation helping other deafies which is honorable to a certain degree but when they're purely doing it to help growth of the culture and ASL as well push their options and judge those who want to go the other route than ASL and Deaf Colleges etc..It's unacceptable and disgusting. Now let's watch the retards help retards by bashing the living hellva outta of this post brought to you by a profound hearing loss user since birth.

My last post and I'm not coming back ever again feel free to do what you want to with this information.

I have no problem at all with you posting this.

Your post shows you to be illiterate and unable to spell even simple fourth grade words.

Well that was just tacky. I'm all for English literacy, but ASL is not a "social retardation for Deaf Culture". I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with a few bad seeds that you had to make such a sad post. That's what it is. It's a sad post. I feel sorry for you.

Simply put... Wow. I'm kinda wondering what brought this out of this poster, but then again I really don't care. No one should have such deep seated hatred for something they don't understand. ASL is not meant to be english. Sure it's uses english words and everything, but he's pretty much bashing on a language like spanish or japanese. I guess he didn't know that ASL is suppose to be another language. I wonder if he would tell a Chinese language speaker they're not speaking english correctly. SEE (i've been informed) is suppose to act like interpretation for ASL, just like you would get an interpreter for any other language... I guess that's why I think it's important to understand a different culture and language equally to prevent people from being ignorant and simply put...making a$$e$ of themselves.

Simply put... Wow. I'm kinda wondering what brought this out of this poster, but then again I really don't care. No one should have such deep seated hatred for something they don't understand. ASL is not meant to be english. Sure it's uses english words and everything, but he's pretty much bashing on a language like spanish or japanese. I guess he didn't know that ASL is suppose to be another language. I wonder if he would tell a Chinese language speaker they're not speaking english correctly. SEE (i've been informed) is suppose to act like interpretation for ASL, just like you would get an interpreter for any other language... I guess that's why I think it's important to understand a different culture and language equally to prevent people from being ignorant and simply put...making a$$e$ of themselves.

^^

ASL and English/SEE (Signing Exact English) are two distinct languages, both equally valuable and should be equally respected.

Interesting rant. And more interesting is that I have perfect English, and ASL was my first (and only) sign language. Not SEE.

As for ASL GURU (Smithtr), he has other issues besides deafness that may (and likely do) contribute to his use of English.

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Simply put... Wow. I'm kinda wondering what brought this out of this poster, but then again I really don't care. No one should have such deep seated hatred for something they don't understand. ASL is not meant to be english. Sure it's uses english words and everything, but he's pretty much bashing on a language like spanish or japanese. I guess he didn't know that ASL is suppose to be another language. I wonder if he would tell a Chinese language speaker they're not speaking english correctly. SEE (i've been informed) is suppose to act like interpretation for ASL, just like you would get an interpreter for any other language... I guess that's why I think it's important to understand a different culture and language equally to prevent people from being ignorant and simply put...making a$$e$ of themselves.

^^

ASL and English/SEE (Signing Exact English) are two distinct languages, both equally valuable and should be equally respected.

GISJason, never call us retarded and ASL is not a socially retarded. You are the most obnoxious and moron I have ever met. If you want to leave, then fine with me. I could not care less. ASL is going to stay without SEE. Good luck out there.

__________________DEAF SINCE BIRTH

Gegiibishedjig (Deaf Person)

You speak to me on lip..
I don't speak..
I sign with you..
You gesture..
I can't hear you..
You can hear me..
You can see and I can see..
-Smell, Sense, Taste, Feel and See-
Was born with broken ears..
I was not perfect, but I am used to being happy and Deaf..

I sign SEE more than I sign ASL. It's more of a habit of mine. It's slower, but have found it useful whenever I do write/type anything. Seems it keeps my English grammar more intact, since being totally deaf for 50 years without a HA or a CI.

It wasn't an "oopsie"... ASL is a language, English is a language... SEE is another mode of English.

Dang man. Are you gonna follow my post where ever I go? Isn't that stalking...cyber stalking. It's gotta be something, because it's weird. I mean cut me some slack...seriously. If SEE is another form of English, why wouldn't it be the tool to translate ASL to English?...

Dang man. Are you gonna follow my post where ever I go? Isn't that stalking...cyber stalking. It's gotta be something, because it's weird. I mean cut me some slack...seriously. If SEE is another form of English, why wouldn't it be the tool to translate ASL to English?...

LOL. That was funny. I can assure you I'm not "cyber stalking" you. I post where I feel like chiming in, that's all.

Wow I couldn't resist not coming back to see the input and replies from the community here as last time it got really out of hand but this time it's more civil and well mannered! Sorry for my rant feast I'm a a$$hole alright yeah I can be at times. Anyways here's the replies! I'm sure the resident a$$ pirate analyst Bottesini is going to like these inputs.

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Originally Posted by Cylly1

No one should have such deep seated hatred for something they don't understand.I guess that's why I think it's important to understand a different culture and language equally to prevent people from being ignorant and simply put...making a$$e$ of themselves.

I don't have a deep seated hatred for anything at all except for the ASL Socially Retarded Users, that rant and worry about the decline and disappearance of the deaf culture which in result they get their panties in a wad every time they read of success stories based on someone's CI or HA experiences. As well bash them or bully them and so much drama and bullsh*t. Also probably responsible for the majority of even more social retardation upon the current youth that are being enrolled into Deaf Schools thru-out the nation. By fighting and unwilling to change to SEE for at least the first 8-10 years of their being in school. They'd rather impose and force ASL upon them so they can be culturally accepted for just their Little Deaf Culture.
Which just leads to more social retardation once they get out and figure out they DON'T want to stay in Deaf Culture but go on with their LIVES in the REAL WORLD. Disgusting if you ask me. But each to his/her own.

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Originally Posted by Anij

Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Bold )
I'd like to request all ranters please bother to use spell check.
Also, if they're going to rant about some hoh/deaf/Deaf having crappy grammar ... Probably using a grammar-check would be helpful also.
Otherwise it's just too difficult to get past the irony, to take anything they say seriously (about poor spelling & grammar especially).
Rant & flee isn't really all that useful, aside from ascertaining the ranter's keyboard is functioning.

Yeah sorry I didn't do a grammar check.. It's not available on my phone I'm lazy alright I admit I couldn't be a$$ed to check spellin etc.. But nonetheless Good comeback!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

GISJason, never call us retarded and ASL is not a socially retarded. You are the most obnoxious and moron I have ever met. If you want to leave, then fine with me. I could not care less. ASL is going to stay without SEE. Good luck out there.

Oh the irony... It's a social retardation issue that occurs when these are brought up into ASL environment without SEE first. Which can be detected in your very post here but you don't see it right? So I cannot be the most obnoxious moronic person I've ever met like YOU. Duh it's going to ALWAYS BE HERE I KNOW THAT. NEVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE GONE OR REMOVED DID I? Sheesh chill and light up some of that BC Bud.

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Originally Posted by green427

Dear GISJason:
Goodbye, and good luck!!!
Regards,
Green427
(one of the socially retarded, illiterate ASL users here that don't make any sense)

Your not one of them... Not all of them experience that issue, Some get by and luckily don't have that issue at all but with my experience and deaf culture around here I see way too much of it occurring.

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Originally Posted by Reba

I doubt you'd get banned for debating SEE vs. ASL.
You might get banned (or at least warned) for picking on other members by name.Doing a hit and run post is rather cowardly.

Wow I'm surprised I'm not banned as I was expecting to be! I didn't name anyone...Just hinted a user title. But yeah a user went on and posted the name. Not running just leaving cause I can't take it anymore it's ridiculous and glares all across the board.
So much bullying and ignoramus users and idiots that have nothing to do but sit and collect their disability, bitch, rant, bully others and analyze everyone and even new members... Why so much of that crap? I can successfully participate in an forum at any other site without all that crap occurring.

It's a signing visual language (the English language). You get to see English in the visual format as you would see it in a written format. Not saying SEE is a language, there's a difference in what I'm saying here.

Wow I couldn't resist not coming back to see the input and replies from the community here as last time it got really out of hand but this time it's more civil and well mannered! Sorry for my rant feast I'm a a$$hole alright yeah I can be at times. Anyways here's the replies! I'm sure the resident a$$ pirate analyst Bottesini is going to like these inputs.

I don't have a deep seated hatred for anything at all except for the ASL Socially Retarded Users, that rant and worry about the decline and disappearance of the deaf culture which in result they get their panties in a wad every time they read of success stories based on someone's CI or HA experiences. As well bash them or bully them and so much drama and bullsh*t. Also probably responsible for the majority of even more social retardation upon the current youth that are being enrolled into Deaf Schools thru-out the nation. By fighting and unwilling to change to SEE for at least the first 8-10 years of their being in school. They'd rather impose and force ASL upon them so they can be culturally accepted for just their Little Deaf Culture.
Which just leads to more social retardation once they get out and figure out they DON'T want to stay in Deaf Culture but go on with their LIVES in the REAL WORLD. Disgusting if you ask me. But each to his/her own.

Yeah sorry I didn't do a grammar check.. It's not available on my phone I'm lazy alright I admit I couldn't be a$$ed to check spellin etc.. But nonetheless Good comeback!!!

Oh the irony... It's a social retardation issue that occurs when these are brought up into ASL environment without SEE first. Which can be detected in your very post here but you don't see it right? So I cannot be the most obnoxious moronic person I've ever met like YOU. Duh it's going to ALWAYS BE HERE I KNOW THAT. NEVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE GONE OR REMOVED DID I? Sheesh chill and light up some of that BC Bud.

Your not one of them... Not all of them experience that issue, Some get by and luckily don't have that issue at all but with my experience and deaf culture around here I see way too much of it occurring.

Wow I'm surprised I'm not banned as I was expecting to be! I didn't name anyone...Just hinted a user title. But yeah a user went on and posted the name. Not running just leaving cause I can't take it anymore it's ridiculous and glares all across the board.
So much bullying and ignoramus users and idiots that have nothing to do but sit and collect their disability, bitch, rant, bully others and analyze everyone and even new members... Why so much of that crap? I can successfully participate in an forum at any other site without all that crap occurring.