the point is moot, for whatever reason a large proportion of the UK voting public seem to think a poor NHS service is down to being in the EU. this misconception could easily be fixed but there is no political will to do so.

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During the whole campaign it has been my impression the British public blamed the EU for all their problems, when it was their UK government that cut funding and caused much hardship.

It is true there were more able bodied Europeans working in the UK and paying their taxes, the government should have increased spending on schools and the NHS, & not cut it!

There were more migrants recently, they took jobs the UK did not want or were not qualified for. The NHS would collapse overnight if all the EU staff went back home, but again the uneducated did not see this.

Junker just gave a press conference. "Is Brexit the beginning of the end of the EU?" asks a BBC journalist.

"No!" Junker said before flouncing off stage. Lol.

It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

they can have as many as they want, unless westminster say they will abide by the outcome it means squat

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The most cogent statement I've read all week

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Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarised, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It may or not be the beginning of the end of the EU, but it looks more and more likely that it could turn out to be the end of the U.K., as Sturgeon has just announced that Scotland is determined to stay in the EU and the likelihood for a second referendum to leave the UK is immense.

The woman has independence for Scotland on the brain and will use any opportunity to try and get it. Her excuse now is that when Scotland voted to stay in the UK it was on the assumption that the UK would remain in the EU. Unfortunately for her, Cameron announced he'd organise the referendum way back in January 2013, long before the Scottish independence vote happened. So Scottish voters knew there was a chance the UK would vote to leave in the future, yet they still decided to remain part of the UK.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

which is quite true, every single person I've seen / read interviewed only cared about there own situation, head of weatherspoons, of course he wants out, he want all that cheap booze from abroad stopped and people drinking is his pubs. All those 'man on the street' who thinks he can't get a decent job because of the polish builders (not because he's uneducated and lazy), democracy clearly doesn't work, but the alternatives are just as bad