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DrPR

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Well, this is going to take a while. This morning the 2D file was 11% complete - it would take about eight days more to finish!

I aborted and started over. The forward radar tower (only) took just under 12 hours to finish. Considering that I want port, starboard, front and aft views, it will be months before the initial drawings are done.

Phil

Well, this is going to take a while. This morning the 2D file was 11% complete - it would take about eight days more to finish!

I aborted and started over. The forward radar tower (only) took just under 12 hours to finish. Considering that I want port, starboard, front and aft views, it will be months before the initial drawings are done.

Phil

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:55 pm

DrPR

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I started today to create a fully detailed 2D starboard broadside drawing of the forward superstructure (a 312 Mbyte 3D drawing). The program will save 2D drawings from 3D files, with hidden line removal. I have done some of this before and I knew that the resultant 2D files can be 10x the size of the 3D files - lots of duplicate lines. All those pipes and cables produce bazillions of short line segments. I can also have duplicates removed during the 3D to 2D process, but experience has shown me that this can be a bit too aggressive and necessary lines are also removed.

My normal procedure is to create the 2D file and use it as a template drawing that I trace over on new layers, allowing me to select the lines I want and ignore others. Then, after the trace over is complete I delete the original 2D output from the 3D drawing to reduce file size. It is a lot of work, but I get really good 2D drawings this way.

But ...

I started the 3D to 2D conversion at 1:00 PM this afternoon. It is now just about 7:00 PM, and the program says it is 3% done! At this rate it will take 200 hours (8.3 days) to complete! And this is just one of dozens of 2D drawings I want to make. I'll let it run overnight and see how far it gets.

I may have to do this in many parts, little bits of 2D drawings that I piece together later.

Phil

I started today to create a fully detailed 2D starboard broadside drawing of the forward superstructure (a 312 Mbyte 3D drawing). The program will save 2D drawings from 3D files, with hidden line removal. I have done some of this before and I knew that the resultant 2D files can be 10x the size of the 3D files - lots of duplicate lines. All those pipes and cables produce bazillions of short line segments. I can also have duplicates removed during the 3D to 2D process, but experience has shown me that this can be a bit too aggressive and necessary lines are also removed.

My normal procedure is to create the 2D file and use it as a template drawing that I trace over on new layers, allowing me to select the lines I want and ignore others. Then, after the trace over is complete I delete the original 2D output from the 3D drawing to reduce file size. It is a lot of work, but I get really good 2D drawings this way.

But ...

I started the 3D to 2D conversion at 1:00 PM this afternoon. It is now just about 7:00 PM, and the program says it is 3% done! At this rate it will take 200 hours (8.3 days) to complete! And this is just one of dozens of 2D drawings I want to make. I'll let it run overnight and see how far it gets.

I may have to do this in many parts, little bits of 2D drawings that I piece together later.

Phil

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:55 pm

Martocticvs

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Fantastic achievement

So.. next step - detail drawings?! Can only be a hundred thousand or so parts to draw up in there....

Fantastic achievement :D

So.. next step - detail drawings?! Can only be a hundred thousand or so parts to draw up in there.... :)

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:33 pm

DrPR

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Michael,

I'm not sure it will ever be finally finished. I keep seeing a few more details I could add. There is always the helicopter ...

But for now I am stepping back and starting to plan the build of a 1:96 scale real model.

Phil

Michael,

I'm not sure it will ever be finally finished. I keep seeing a few more details I could add. There is always the helicopter ...

But for now I am stepping back and starting to plan the build of a 1:96 scale real model.

Phil

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:18 pm

mcg

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Phil,

Since the Oct 2 "FINALLY" posts, we have been waiting and watching and hoping for the "...but just one more little thing..." that might herald a resumption of the project, but a month has gone by and it is starting to look like the project is really, really, really done. Can it be?

It is the core thread of this forum. We are all going to be a little lost without it. Congratulations and thank you again for your brilliant, inspired and relentlessly accurate work! Beginning to end, year after year: the CAD masterpiece. Michael

Phil,

Since the Oct 2 "FINALLY" posts, we have been waiting and watching and hoping for the "...but just one more little thing..." that might herald a resumption of the project, but a month has gone by and it is starting to look like the project is really, really, really done. Can it be?

It is the core thread of this forum. We are all going to be a little lost without it. Congratulations and thank you again for your brilliant, inspired and relentlessly accurate work! Beginning to end, year after year: the CAD masterpiece. Michael

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:11 am

Ian Roberts

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Fabulous work here. I've followed this for several years now and this project has always really inspired me!

Fabulous work here. I've followed this for several years now and this project has always really inspired me!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:40 am

EJFoeth

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Congrats on your results, those renderings look great

Congrats on your results, those renderings look great :thumbs_up_1:

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:11 am

jpeeler

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This is incredible, and what an amazing reference you've created. Congratulations on this accomplishment. The great ship lives again!

Jodie Peeler

This is incredible, and what an amazing reference you've created. Congratulations on this accomplishment. The great ship lives again!

Jodie Peeler

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:21 am

maxim

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Congratulations!

This is really an impressive 3D model! And for sure a very helpful resource for building the model!

Congratulations!

This is really an impressive 3D model! And for sure a very helpful resource for building the model!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:09 am

DrPR

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FINALLY!!!!

It's done (mostly)! Here are images of the finished CAD model of the USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 in the configuration of the summer of 1971. After 14 years and many hundreds of hours the model is basically finished. I need to add the SH-2 Seasprite helicopter, and I suppose there are still some small details I will discover, but it is good enough to start on the drawings for the 1:96 model.

These images are composites of four images for each view angle - the hull and the forward, midships and after superstructures. I pasted them together in Photoshop. I still haven't combined all four files into a single whole ship file - that will be several days work. Generating images from the whole ship file will take many hours.

The four files add up to 1.071 gigabytes, but there are a few overlapping elements in the superstructure files that will be removed. The whole ship file will be still be about a gigabyte. There are 2.86 million objects in the files, and a bit more than 22 million points. You can find many more detail images here:

PS: Before anyone gets excited about creating 3D prints from the model, keep in mind that almost all of it was created with zero thickness surfaces that will not print, and not solids. The model can be used to create real solids that would print, but that would take more years of work.

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[size=200][b]FINALLY!!!![/b][/size]

It's done (mostly)! Here are images of the finished CAD model of the USS [i]Oklahoma City[/i] CLG-5 in the configuration of the summer of 1971. After 14 years and many hundreds of hours the model is basically finished. I need to add the SH-2 Seasprite helicopter, and I suppose there are still some small details I will discover, but it is good enough to start on the drawings for the 1:96 model.

These images are composites of four images for each view angle - the hull and the forward, midships and after superstructures. I pasted them together in Photoshop. I still haven't combined all four files into a single whole ship file - that will be several days work. Generating images from the whole ship file will take many hours.

The four files add up to 1.071 gigabytes, but there are a few overlapping elements in the superstructure files that will be removed. The whole ship file will be still be about a gigabyte. There are 2.86 million objects in the files, and a bit more than 22 million points. You can find many more detail images here:

https://www.okieboat.com/CAD%20model.html

Phil

PS: Before anyone gets excited about creating 3D prints from the model, keep in mind that almost all of it was created with zero thickness surfaces that will not print, and not solids. The model can be used to create real solids that would print, but that would take more years of work.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:08 pm

DrPR

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P. R. Dobson,

Thanks. I didn't have any CAD tools for cable routing, and it was (is) tedious!

I have seen your CAD model of the KGV and it is excellent. You started on it in 2004, the same year I started on the OK City model. It has been such a long and continuous part of my life I don't know what I will do when it is actually finished!

P. R. Hays

P. R. Dobson,

Thanks. I didn't have any CAD tools for cable routing, and it was (is) tedious!

I have seen your CAD model of the KGV and it is excellent. You started on it in 2004, the same year I started on the OK City model. It has been such a long and continuous part of my life I don't know what I will do when it is actually finished!

P. R. Hays

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:53 am

DrPR

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Here are some images of the (almost) finished after deck house that sat on top of the missile house. The deck house, missile house and launcher file is 303.89 megabytes, with 917,261 entities and 6,839,679 points.

I say almost finished, because I thought it would be finished after I reworked the SPS-30, AS-979 and AS-791 antennas. But while I was on the ship I took some black and white photos specifically to capture details in case I someday wanted to create a model of the ship. I forgot about these pictures and the negatives were hidden away in a foot locker in the garage until a few years ago (after the original aft deck house 3D CAD model was completed). Now I have scanned them and I used them for the latest antenna updates. But I noticed a few more details missing from my model while I was placing the revised antennas on the after tower. So I guess there will be one more round of scrutinizing these photos to fill out the details on the after deck house.

Here are some images of the (almost) finished after deck house that sat on top of the missile house. The deck house, missile house and launcher file is 303.89 megabytes, with 917,261 entities and 6,839,679 points.

I say almost finished, because I thought it would be finished after I reworked the SPS-30, AS-979 and AS-791 antennas. But while I was on the ship I took some black and white photos specifically to capture details in case I someday wanted to create a model of the ship. I forgot about these pictures and the negatives were hidden away in a foot locker in the garage until a few years ago (after the original aft deck house 3D CAD model was completed). Now I have scanned them and I used them for the latest antenna updates. But I noticed a few more details missing from my model while I was placing the revised antennas on the after tower. So I guess there will be one more round of scrutinizing these photos to fill out the details on the after deck house.

But I am getting closer to being finished! Really!!

Phil

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:38 am

DrPR

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The SPS-30 did not carry an integrated IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) antenna as some other radar antennas did. An AS-791/UPA-43 IFF antenna was mounted on the aft tower platform close to the SPS-30 and slaved to it so it pointed in the same direction and rotated at the same rate. When the SPS-30 was installed in 1963 a different IFF antenna was installed, but it was replaced by the AS-791 by 1967. This model is approximate. The overall dimensions were taken from data sheets but the details came from some not-too-clear photos.

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Also on the aft tower platform was an AS-979/UKR telemetry antenna. I think, but I am not certain, this was the antenna that received telemetry information from Talos missiles in flight. Some missiles had telemetry packages installed that sent back detailed readings of multiple data streams for wing position, engine operation and proximity fuze target detection signals. All Talos ships had an AS-979 mounted close to the SPG-49 Talos target tracking antennas and SPW-2 Talos missile guidance transmitter antennas. The antenna had 12 ground plane elements radiating from the base and a helical antenna inside the truncated cone cover. The model is based upon photoguestimation from several photographs.

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Here is a picture of the Oklahoma City aft radar tower with the antennas installed, in the configuration of mid 1971.

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The AS-979 telemetry antenna was initially (1963) installed in the same position on all of the Talos CLGs (USS Galveston CLG-3, USS Little Rock CLG-4 and USS Oklahoma City CLG-5), using the same platform extension on the aft side of the tower platform. Later (1974) on the Little Rock and Oklahoma City the AS-979 telemetry antennas were moved forward on the aft tower platform closer to the SPS-30 and another telemetry antenna was mounted at the AS-979's original position. The Galveston was decommissioned in 1970 before this change was made.

The AS-791 IFF antenna was mounted in different places on the three Talos CLGs. On the Galveston it appears to have been mounted on the main platform behind the SPS-30 when the '30 was installed in 1963. But photos from 1967 appear to show the antenna, or something like it, at the front edge of the midships radar tower. Unfortunately, all pictures I have seen have been low resolution and grainy, and it is not possible to identify these antennas with certainty.

The Little Rock had the AS-791 IFF antenna mounted on a platform extension at the starboard front of the aft tower platform. On the Oklahoma City it was mounted on a platform extension at the starboard rear of the aft tower platform, as shown in the picture above.

The SPS-30 did not carry an integrated IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) antenna as some other radar antennas did. An AS-791/UPA-43 IFF antenna was mounted on the aft tower platform close to the SPS-30 and slaved to it so it pointed in the same direction and rotated at the same rate. When the SPS-30 was installed in 1963 a different IFF antenna was installed, but it was replaced by the AS-791 by 1967. This model is approximate. The overall dimensions were taken from data sheets but the details came from some not-too-clear photos.[attachment=3]AS791-UPA43 IFF 1 small.jpg[/attachment]Also on the aft tower platform was an AS-979/UKR telemetry antenna. I think, but I am not certain, this was the antenna that received telemetry information from Talos missiles in flight. Some missiles had telemetry packages installed that sent back detailed readings of multiple data streams for wing position, engine operation and proximity fuze target detection signals. All Talos ships had an AS-979 mounted close to the SPG-49 Talos target tracking antennas and SPW-2 Talos missile guidance transmitter antennas. The antenna had 12 ground plane elements radiating from the base and a helical antenna inside the truncated cone cover. The model is based upon photoguestimation from several photographs.[attachment=2]AS979 UKR antenna 1 small.jpg[/attachment][attachment=1]AS979 UKR antenna 2 small.jpg[/attachment]Here is a picture of the [i]Oklahoma City[/i] aft radar tower with the antennas installed, in the configuration of mid 1971.[attachment=0]aft tower 11 Sep 2018 3 small.jpg[/attachment]The AS-979 telemetry antenna was initially (1963) installed in the same position on all of the Talos CLGs (USS [i]Galveston[/i] CLG-3, USS [i]Little Rock[/i] CLG-4 and USS [i]Oklahoma City[/i] CLG-5), using the same platform extension on the aft side of the tower platform. Later (1974) on the [i]Little Rock[/i] and [i]Oklahoma City[/i] the AS-979 telemetry antennas were moved forward on the aft tower platform closer to the SPS-30 and another telemetry antenna was mounted at the AS-979's original position. The [i]Galveston[/i] was decommissioned in 1970 before this change was made.

The AS-791 IFF antenna was mounted in different places on the three Talos CLGs. On the [i]Galveston[/i] it appears to have been mounted on the main platform behind the SPS-30 when the '30 was installed in 1963. But photos from 1967 appear to show the antenna, or something like it, at the front edge of the midships radar tower. Unfortunately, all pictures I have seen have been low resolution and grainy, and it is not possible to identify these antennas with certainty.

The [i]Little Rock[/i] had the AS-791 IFF antenna mounted on a platform extension at the starboard front of the aft tower platform. On the [i]Oklahoma City[/i] it was mounted on a platform extension at the starboard rear of the aft tower platform, as shown in the picture above.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:56 pm

Martocticvs

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Exceptional! I well know how much of a chore cabling can be in CAD (especially if you're doing this without proper cabling and wire harness tools..?)

Exceptional! I well know how much of a chore cabling can be in CAD (especially if you're doing this without proper cabling and wire harness tools..?)

There are only a few details left. I must add the new SPS-30 to the after tower. Two smaller antennas on the after radar tower need to be reworked and the identification flags will be added to the forward tower. And the catwalk on the after funnel must be reworked.Then all the parts of the ship will be finished! Maybe.

There are only a few details left. I must add the new SPS-30 to the after tower. Two smaller antennas on the after radar tower need to be reworked and the identification flags will be added to the forward tower. And the catwalk on the after funnel must be reworked.Then all the parts of the ship will be finished! Maybe.

I also need to make the SH-2 Seasprite helicopter.

Then all the parts must be assembled into one complete file.

Phil

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:20 am

DrPR

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One of the most tedious parts of modeling is stringing the rigging on a sailing ship or running the wiring on a modern ship. This sort of thing is even more tedious in CAD modeling. Tying a knot in CAD is one of the most challenging operations!

The SPS-30 antenna had a lot of external wiring. Getting it all to "hang" naturally and look correct is a trail and error successive approximation process. I have the majority of the wiring done, and it looks pretty close to the wiring in photographs. Maybe not perfect, but it will have to be good enough! I'm ready to finish it!

Phil

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One of the most tedious parts of modeling is stringing the rigging on a sailing ship or running the wiring on a modern ship. This sort of thing is even more tedious in CAD modeling. Tying a knot in CAD is one of the most challenging operations!

The SPS-30 antenna had a lot of external wiring. Getting it all to "hang" naturally and look correct is a trail and error successive approximation process. I have the majority of the wiring done, and it looks pretty close to the wiring in photographs. Maybe not perfect, but it will have to be good enough! I'm ready to finish it!

Phil

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:43 pm

mcg

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What a jewel this is, Phil. It is surprising to see all this intricate mechanical, electromechanical and hydraulic machinery put to work in the service of an (arguably) higher technology — guiding gigahertz waves precisely and efficiently from source to target. Especially admire the third image shown above. Amazing. Michael

What a jewel this is, Phil. It is surprising to see all this intricate mechanical, electromechanical and hydraulic machinery put to work in the service of an (arguably) higher technology — guiding gigahertz waves precisely and efficiently from source to target. Especially admire the third image shown above. Amazing. Michael

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm

Martocticvs

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You'll be able to start building your very own fleet of these ships when you're done! Exceptional attention to detail.

You'll be able to start building your very own fleet of these ships when you're done! Exceptional attention to detail.

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:27 am

DrPR

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A little more progress. Hikes in the mountains and sunny summer days on the beach are interfering with ship modeling! I have added the drive mechanisms for pitch, roll, azimuth and elevation.

I am working from a few drawings and close-up photos. As the drawing progresses from one part to another I occasionally discover a mistake in earlier work and have to go back and redraw. I thought the tower was a symmetrical rounded square rectangle at the top, but I couldn't get some details of the different rotating stages to align properly. Then I realized I should have paid more attention to one of the drawings. The top of the tower is narrower port/starboard than fore/aft!

Now I can start on all of the electrical boxes - and there are a lot of them!

Phil

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A little more progress. Hikes in the mountains and sunny summer days on the beach are interfering with ship modeling! I have added the drive mechanisms for pitch, roll, azimuth and elevation.

I am working from a few drawings and close-up photos. As the drawing progresses from one part to another I occasionally discover a mistake in earlier work and have to go back and redraw. I thought the tower was a symmetrical rounded square rectangle at the top, but I couldn't get some details of the different rotating stages to align properly. Then I realized I should have paid more attention to one of the drawings. The top of the tower is narrower port/starboard than fore/aft!

Now I can start on all of the electrical boxes - and there are a lot of them!

Phil

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:51 am

DrPR

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Michael,

I have a few close-up high resolution photos of the base, roll, pitch and drive stages, and it does appear that the waveguides do have vertical displacements for the roll and pitch joints. I haven't determined the dimensions yet - too many other things interfering with the CAD modeling.

It should be fairly simple because every turn, bend and joint in a waveguide attenuates the signal a bit.

Phil

Michael,

I have a few close-up high resolution photos of the base, roll, pitch and drive stages, and it does appear that the waveguides do have vertical displacements for the roll and pitch joints. I haven't determined the dimensions yet - too many other things interfering with the CAD modeling.

It should be fairly simple because every turn, bend and joint in a waveguide attenuates the signal a bit.