I loved my DTS but i love my XTS even more, i couldnt be more happy with it and everyone else who sees it is also impressed. It could use a nice smooth v8 and an led lit analog clock in between the center air vents.:-)

11-08-13, 08:58 PM

Db1111

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

Same rumor ran through Buick last year.. A new flagship car which would replace the Lacrosse.
They just brought out the redesign Lacrosse for '14.

11-08-13, 11:02 PM

gohawks63

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Originally Posted by DTS man33

There is no way GM would let this car only have a 2 year life span after investing milllions on the name and design. Now maybe we may see a 4 or 5 year life span but no way will this car leave in 2 years even more so after they just brought out the new V-sport version. If anything I see the XTS moving over to the new Omega platform after a few years. Cadillac will still need a full size car in-between the CTS and the Flagship that is still in the 50K to 65K range. That's just my opinion but I do think GM may be getting ready to move the XTS to a new Omega platform which could happen maybe by 2016 or 17. I see it like this XTS with a 200 to 203 length with a 115 WB and flagship somewhere around 205 to 208 with a 120 WB. Again all just my opinions and what I think the future may hold for Cadillac. We shall see. :) Either way I have never been a fan of the XTS so I will be waiting like everyone else in terms of the new flagship.

The new CTS is going to be in the $50k-$60k price range.

11-08-13, 11:42 PM

ryannel2003

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by Black Beauty DTS

I guess we'll all have to wait and see when the time for the new 2015's come out, as to whether this is true or not. If it is true, then I can fully understand why GM went bankrupt. Investing tremendous amounts of time and money on a vehicle that has a short two year live span is nothing short of ridiculous.:bigroll:

Also, getting rid of a vehicle when they are finally starting to make the vehicle appeal to more people, by introducing the 2014 XTS V-Sport. I think this car will have a greater following if they give it some time. However, this is GM we are talking about, so they will most likely get rid of a perfectly good car.

The tooling for this car didn't cost as much as you would think. It shares it basic chassis and engine/transmission with the LaCrosse and the Impala. That alone saves a tremendous amount of money. The roofline also shares a bit of LaCrosse in the A-pillar. The interior would be the only real area where the money was spent and I'm sure with all the costs they will break even pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by BreakThrough

The XTS is not going away after two model years. The so called flagship will not be out until at least the 2017 model year.

I've heard it will be introduced in 2015 as a '16 model but don't quote me on that. There are test mules already running around Detroit.

It's about competition. If they want to compete with the upper level MBs and Bimmers and Porsche, etc. they need it. There is always a race to have the best performance lux car out there. And that means fast and RWD. There are people that have the money who want it.

The only thing that's really holding back the power at this point with cars already hitting 600+ HP is that the tires can't handle it. Some cars are already having the computer limit the power at launch because of that.

At least the manufacturers are having AWD options (based on RWD) for the snowy winter markets.

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Originally Posted by kubotagator

I hope all the decision makers who were in the old Cadillac management team are gone. Spending millions to develop a gas guzzling V 8 engine in a rear drive platform is economically ludicrous.

Exactly how much more power would one need than that produced by the new V6 Twin Turbo. With the idiots on the highways today, 55 MPH is a dangerous speed. I have never seen as much, blind spot driving, tail gating, and just out and out aggressive driving as I recently saw on a two day interstate trip. Where and how did so many idiots get drivers licenses?

I have driven vehicles with hemi's and cobra engines. The only difference I have found between a vehicle with a high torque V8 and one of the current 300 plus horsepower V6's is that I have to be attentive when driving in hilly terrain, not loaf down hill and then depend on engine horse power and torque to get the vehicle over the next hill.

11-09-13, 01:53 PM

musvlehead

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by gohawks63

The new CTS is going to be in the $50k-$60k price range.

That is incorrect my friend... the day I posted this thread I drove the new cts all day while my XTS was in service only because the manager who I'm close with drives one as a demo.. and I looked at the sticker the msrp was 64,875 ..it was pretty loaded but not fully loaded, As I drove it didn't feel like a 65K car to me, it's basically the same on the inside as the XTS.. it has like medal bottoms in the cup holders and few others things..how can the cts coat more then my XTS and have more horsepower then my XTS think his Demo had like 320 or 330hp not sure just doesn't add up to me..I will say the daytime running lights crush the ones on XTS.. the cts lights go further up the fender and are brighter with like little dots instead of one strip there sick..

11-09-13, 06:25 PM

DG2

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Originally Posted by gohawks63

Not surprised and it's been kind of common knowledge that the XTS was a stop gap to replace the DTS until a proper flagship was developed.

Agree. No doubt the new top of line Caddy is coming and the current XTS as we know it will be gone BUT don't rule out the name as Cadillac may in fact still call the new flagship X TS ....

With that said I still think it is three years away. I would also vote to keep the XTS name as it sounds pretty cool :)

11-09-13, 10:06 PM

gohawks63

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Originally Posted by musvlehead

That is incorrect my friend... the day I posted this thread I drove the new cts all day while my XTS was in service only because the manager who I'm close with drives one as a demo.. and I looked at the sticker the msrp was 64,875 ..it was pretty loaded but not fully loaded, As I drove it didn't feel like a 65K car to me, it's basically the same on the inside as the XTS.. it has like medal bottoms in the cup holders and few others things..how can the cts coat more then my XTS and have more horsepower then my XTS think his Demo had like 320 or 330hp not sure just doesn't add up to me..I will say the daytime running lights crush the ones on XTS.. the cts lights go further up the fender and are brighter with like little dots instead of one strip there sick..

I guess I should have been more specific. You're right in that you can spec a CTS in the mid to upper $60K range.

What I was trying to point out (poorly I might add) is that the CTS now is either in the same price range or higher than an XTS now. They overlap in price.

The XTS does have the advantage of getting V-Sport in AWD trim that you cannot get in the CTS, albeit with less power.

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Having said that, not sure why the CTS V-Sport is not available in AWD. There is only a 10 hp difference between the XTS V-sport and the CTS V-Sport.

11-10-13, 05:21 AM

Black Beauty DTS

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by gohawks63

The XTS does have the advantage of getting V-Sport in AWD trim that you cannot get in the CTS, albeit with less power.

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Having said that, not sure why the CTS V-Sport is not available in AWD. There is only a 10 hp difference between the XTS V-sport and the CTS V-Sport.

I believe it was mentioned that the CTS V-Sport was going to be offered with an 8-speed automatic that doesn't have AWD capabilities, and the AWD 6-speed automatic didn't have the ability to handle the 430lb/ft of torque. The XTS V-Sport had to have AWD rather than FWD in order to put the power to the ground, but the AWD 6-speed automatic was limited in how much torque it could handle. Thus, they dialed back the power to reduce the amount of torque for reliability and longevity.

11-10-13, 02:21 PM

gohawks63

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by Black Beauty DTS

I believe it was mentioned that the CTS V-Sport was going to be offered with an 8-speed automatic that doesn't have AWD capabilities, and the AWD 6-speed automatic didn't have the ability to handle the 430lb/ft of torque. The XTS V-Sport had to have AWD rather than FWD in order to put the power to the ground, but the AWD 6-speed automatic was limited in how much torque it could handle. Thus, they dialed back the power to reduce the amount of torque for reliability and longevity.

You are correct and I should have researched before I posted.

While there is only a 10 hp difference between the XTS V-Sport and the CTS V-Sport, the torque disparity is larger. The XTS V-Sport has 369 ft/lbs while the CTS V-Sport has 430 ft/lbs.

11-10-13, 05:22 PM

Black Beauty DTS

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by gohawks63

You are correct and I should have researched before I posted.

While there is only a 10 hp difference between the XTS V-Sport and the CTS V-Sport, the torque disparity is larger. The XTS V-Sport has 369 ft/lbs while the CTS V-Sport has 430 ft/lbs.

No problem, alot of people wonder why on the other hand, the XTS V-Sport doesn't have an 8-speed automatic like the CTS. Both cars are nice, and though it is a pretty large difference in torque between the two, the XTS performs well for a car it's size with a V6.

11-13-13, 05:59 PM

DTS man33

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

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Originally Posted by gohawks63

The new CTS is going to be in the $50k-$60k price range.

I do know that both cars are in the same price bracket but my point was if someone wants a car that is bigger then the CTS and dose not wanna pay $80+ grand on the new flagship they still have that option with the XTS. Not only that but I do not think Cadillac wants to lose all thier livery buisness with limo's and hurst's. And I am sure you will not see the new flagship in the livary market much if at all. The XTS is a good 5 or 6 inchs longer then the CTS and alot of former DTS/Deville owners want that full size car. However they probley will not fork over 80 grand on the flagship. I still think what I said before is what will happen, the XTS will move over to the Omega platform by 2017

11-13-13, 06:52 PM

Stingroo

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

The XTS is to be discontinued?!?!

In other news: water is wet.

:yawn:

11-16-13, 03:07 PM

PNBLWZD

Re: XTS TO BE DISCONTINUED!! Production run 2013-14

I inquired with my favorite Cadillac dealer/salesman about this. He said that yes there will be a new flagship to compete wtih the S class, but there are no plans to discontinue the XTS as it's there to fill the need for the former DTS croud and the new flagship will be at a much higher price point. I was kinda suprised when I read this thread, as the car is just coming into the 2nd year of production with some really good needed upgrades and is getting good review. Don't know how well it's selling though, as I see a lot of XTS-V Sports online sitting on dealer lots for 60+ days.