Was out by Richards-Gebauer today and noticed some baskets by the Army Reserve Center. The baskets looked a bit primitive and some were tilted a bit, but still cool that they have disc golf out there. Anyone from the KCFDC affiliated with this course? Is the course open to the public or is it just for the military folks?

I love it. We go from some guy who "heard some guys" talkin about cops in unmarked cars to f*ck tha police. Nice. If you're not breaking any laws then no worries. If you feel the cops have violated yours rights, then go to city hall and file a complaint. Maybe even encourage others to do so as well.

Ah, the old "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" line of thinking. I'm sorry, but statements such as that, along with Ben's "...only problems are the ones you create" statement are misguided at best. That is burying your head in the sand and throwing caution to the wind in favor of a "It'll never happen to me" approach. There is a plethora (I love that word) of videos on Youtube showing all kinds of people who haven't done anything wrong being harassed by arses with badges. So you guys are full of sh!t.

Listen to E, y'all. He knows what he's talking about. You pro-government types are everywhere and I'm familiar with every tone of your collective BAAAAAAHHHs. I will destroy a statist's argument like BP destroys Little Debbie every single time. Good night, now!

I personally like it when other's people freedom to harm me are taken away.

I especially like it though when those that can't say F off and be on their way are protected by having someone else's freedom taken away.

Such as, taking away:...other peoples freedom to harm their spouses, ...or their freedom to harm their own children,...or their freedom to use people against their will that are stuck in human trafficking, ...or their freedom to harm public property that my taxes paid for,...or their freedom to yell stupid stuff in a public room,...or their freedom to blow up public buildings,...or their freedom carry 3" blades on airplanes,...or their freedom use my social security number and Visa numbers to acquire what they desire without my permission, ...or their freedom to view naked underage boys and girls,...or their freedom to drive 40 MPH in a residential neighborhood that has a lot of children riding bicycles on a spring day

I could go on forever, shall I continue?

I'm not a cop lover. In fact when I was 20 I was pulled over, walked the line and patted down because I flipped off a cop while by girlfriend (now wife) was driving so I wouldn't drive my own car drunk (true story). However, I have respect for police officers. Maybe you should too.

You're one of those obedient subjects who'd give up your rights in exchange for perceived "safety" in a heartbeat, aren't ya? You view the police as being in charge of us, rather than the civil servants they're supposed to be, right? You enjoy the taste of jackboot polish so much that you spread it on your toast every morning, eh? Okay, I'm only kidding with that last one.

I actually agree with most everything on your little list there, and I do have the utmost respect for cops. But just because you respect certain people doesn't mean you have to like them, trust them, or kiss their asses.

I think what he's saying is, Some people stand to profit from seeking out taking other peoples liberties away, actually get paid to do it....

just a hunch

Correct. Not only do they get paid to circumvent your freedoms, it is a condition of their employment.

To address Aaron's question, the difference is when an average citizen threatens your rights, you actually have recourse against them. If I stop you on the street when you're minding your own business, for example, you can tell me to F off and be on your way. Same can't be said when it comes to cops.

I really like the "cheater" routes in the heavy wooded holes. I wanted to look at doing one on the final few holes, but I am not going to be using that area now, and I am glad. I think that they are going to be working on that area as a dog park. Glad I am not going to be battling that option!

Well gosh diggety darn it, let's put one along the extreme left side of #4 for the long placement! Yes, oh yes, that would be SWEET!

The initial holes are probably about 20 hours each, and the #6 extension I really can't figure out how much time, and more importantly how to remove the cuttings once we get there.....it is much more difficult than I had thought, but I know once it is done, it will be one of the cooler holes available.

When I cut the first portion out, I simply drove my truck up P&R's makeshift gravel access ramp, and backed in just past the basket. If we actually have some help other than the usual suspects, it won't be a problem at all. The important thing is to have help dragging off the cut material so the guys doing the actual cutting don't have to stop and do it themselves.