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Boxerglocker

10-13-2009, 22:33

EHH... I'm not going to say it would be a waste of time but regardless of what you decide to do. You will need a control and a means of establishing it. That sort of research is already done for you in most cases buy funded labs of manufacturers. Now if you want to see how your cast bullets expand in comparision to factory loads at the same power factor in your own reloads. I would say the old wet newpaper milk gallon jug trick is a fair comparision. You can even wrap them in old denim or t-shirts to add to the simulation. Just my two bits...

tdc57

10-13-2009, 23:11

Well my thinking was to more or less use it for my .50 Beowulf (400gr – 600gr) rounds.:50cal: I would like to know the difference a 600gr bullet makes vrs a 400gr bullet.. I’ve already blown up cinder blocks, watermelons, etc, etc..

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But with Ballistics gel I can see what kind of damage it would cause in a human or animal.. Not that I’m planning on shooting either one, but I think the cavity it would create alone would be at least picture worthy.. :cool:<o:p></o:p>
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Ballistics wise my 400gr rounds are shooting @ 1629 fps with a kinetic energy of 2359 fp :wow: so I can compare them to my 500gr & 600gr bullets and see what’s what.. <o:p></o:p>
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Boxerglocker

10-13-2009, 23:35

Well my thinking was to more or less use it for my .50 Beowulf (400gr – 600gr) rounds.:50cal: I would like to know the difference a 600gr bullet makes vrs a 400gr bullet.. I’ve already blown up cinder blocks, watermelons, etc, etc.. But with Ballistics gel I can see what kind of damage it would cause in a human or animal.. Not that I’m planning on shooting either one, but I think the cavity it would create alone would be at least picture worthy.. :cool:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Ballistics wise my 400gr rounds are shooting @ 1629 fps with a kinetic energy of 2359 fp :wow: so I can compare them to my 500gr & 600gr bullets and see what’s what.. <o:p></o:p>
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MAN :shocked:.50 Beowulf??? that's going to take a LOOOOONG tray of gel I would imagine.

tdc57

10-13-2009, 23:50

:whistling: Well they say a rifle block should be 8”x8”x36” and a pistol block should be 8”x8”x24” and I’ll never know without giving it the old Glock talk go/ try.. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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The largest thing I’ve shoot it through so far is a 12” telephone pole (scrap piece) and it punched right though it..:supergrin: So I really don’t know if it will work??.:dunno: But I’m willing to try it if I can find out this method of making the gel will work.. :)<o:p></o:p>

havensal

10-14-2009, 05:52

<--- Has strong suspicion that 8"x8"x36" block will look much like the watermelon above. :wavey:

ron59

10-14-2009, 06:35

<--- Has strong suspicion that 8"x8"x36" block will look much like the watermelon above. :wavey:

If he's punching through 12" telephone poles... then I agree 100%. There won't be a solid hunk of gel sitting there, it'll be "blowwwwnnnnn UP, sir!" (think Billy Murray in Stripes).

tdc57

10-17-2009, 02:37

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OK… I’ve completed the basic size of the skull ie (3 rolls and 3 drinks) done / down and I'm now ready for the molding phase..

PLEASE Stay tuned for tomorrows update as I attempt to make a plaster mold of the head and start on the body mold and continue and my way through the process..
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ronterry

10-17-2009, 12:28

Nice work Top Dead Center (TDC?)... Keep us abreast of your fine work here.

I would most certainly encase the gel in pine around the sides. That should hold it gel together, and probably could double as a mold.

BTW: I thought cali looked down on .50 Calibers!

Here's a lower I made just for the Beowulf :wow: Still saving for the upper :dunno:... I think I even bought 4# of Lil'gun for this beast... Looking forward to shooting her though! :supergrin:
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tdc57

10-18-2009, 03:13

OMG..:wow:. that is Bitshen!! to the tenth degree..:supergrin:. WOW.. verry cool.. can you do that to mine?? Please!.. :whistling:

I'm PM you in the morning..

Way cool Sir

Thank you sooooo much for sharing.. :drool:

have a great one Big guy..

TDC..

tdc57

10-18-2009, 03:14

Progress is moving along slower than anticipated / hoped.. Ooo well dad by day and mad builder by night is the life lead.. LOL.. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Cool now the head and the box are completed covered in Vaseline it was time to breakout the plaster.. Since I’ve never worked with it before this should be at least a learning experience for me.. I added the proper amount of water first (remember never pour water on powder! Always start with the fluids and then slowing add the mix) IMG! It’s not enough mix!.. http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii195/TDC57/fun%20stuff/embarass20.gif… I’ve the box coated and if I don’t try something then I’ll lose the box and mix. After pouring the mix of plaster into the box (not a chance in hell!) DAM!! Not even enough to cover half the head (as I was hopping too on the worst case senerio). <o:p></o:p>
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10-18-2009, 03:16

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OK.. I have my plaster bandages that I was going to use for the upper torso mold so lets try these and see how they work.. I started by cutting them in strips 3’ long (folded in 1’ sections) cleaned out all of the initial plaster out of my bucket filled it with hot water and proceed to use the plaster cloth / bandages. This is kinda cool as it all new to me.. <o:p></o:p>
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I added the first strip of plaster cloth (foled one end over about ¾”) for the seam and begin to cover one side of the head.. DAM this stuff dryes FAST!.. It starts to tackup really quick here (so have everyting ready).. <o:p></o:p>
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10-18-2009, 03:17

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Ok I’ve completed one side of the head (Hey this just might WORK!) Cool.. I’ve got probely 5 layers of plaster cloth on now (I have no idea how much is required) but this should might work.. (lets find out together).. LOL.. <o:p></o:p>
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10-18-2009, 03:18

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10-18-2009, 03:18

Hay that actually worked! Right on.. (lesson learned) I use this process on the upper torso it should work great!.. Also the vas worked as it should have and I had no issues at all removing the two halves. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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10-18-2009, 03:19

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Once the gelatin was ready for molding, I needed to complete the prep on the mold for the head. Once the head mold was completed, I then put it in an ice chest and filled it with ice. I’ll be keeping it here for the 3 days so it can setup without being in the fringe. <o:p></o:p>
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Well that it guys.. I’ll change out the ice in the chest as required for the 3 days and see what it look like then… <o:p></o:p>
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Tomorrow I’m heading back to the store for some more gelatin and some more craft supplies.. <o:p></o:p>
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Thank you all for your time and I’ll update the team in a few days on the progress and we should have pictures of the complete ballistic gel head (if all goes well).. <o:p></o:p>
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I still have to make an upper torso, (2) more heads and then some plain 8’ x 24” blocks.. so this is going to be long one.. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I moved on to the 8x24” cylinder gel. Made up another 2lbs pound of gel, coated my plastic cylinder with Pam, melted the gel and poured it into the cylinder..<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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So forward progress continues, here’s my progress on the upper torso.. With any luck I should have it completed ie (Plaster mold and gel poured) by Sunday.. I only have to make up two more heads and then off to 29 palms for a day of shooting everything with 400, 500 & 600gr bullets..<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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