Comments on: Madison Bumgarner hits the wall, and now the Giants have some big adjustments to make on the flyhttp://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/10/14/madison-bumgarner-hits-the-wall-and-now-the-giants-have-some-big-adjustments-to-make-on-the-fly/
with Tim KawakamiSat, 12 Aug 2017 13:57:00 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.8By: jonathanpoundwaterhttp://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/10/14/madison-bumgarner-hits-the-wall-and-now-the-giants-have-some-big-adjustments-to-make-on-the-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-151781
Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:54:02 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151781^ That should’ve read “prefer the Giants” obviously.
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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:52:03 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151780You’re entire argument is based upon unfounded assumptions. First, that Giants fans are uninformed. Second, that A’s fans are informed. Third, that A’s are more informed than Giants fans. Fourth, that A’s fans are not only more informed, but also more raucous. Fifth, that the majority, if not all, 700+ Major League players would prefer one assumed environment over another. How you came up with this is totally unknown, is absurdly biased, and has zero foundation in reality. But we’re just all supposed to take your word for it….

Like I said in another thread, I really don’t get why A’s fans get so defensive and butthurt about the Giants and their fans when it never seems to flow that direction. I root for all Bay teams, I just happen to prefer the A’s. And for that, I’m elitist, uninformed, and quiet at games. Sure, Ed.

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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:49:21 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151773For all the “packed stadiums all year” and increased “very competitive salary” the A’s ended the season with the exact same record as us, and was one game away from being as deep in the playoffs as we are right now…

Their regular season crowds (or lack there of) clearly didn’t make a difference to their record or them getting into the playoffs — but their playoff crowd did make a difference…I’d prefer the latter.

I beg to differ. I bet if you asked any big leaguer they would say they would rather play for 13,000 raucous informed fans than 40,000 who are quieter than the 13…It’s about noise and energy — not just butts in the seats.

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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:43:26 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151771Ed, I’m not even going to bother. Your silly hatred for the Giants and their fans is exactly that: silly.
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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:41:18 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151770You can argue that the Warriors have louder, much more loyal fans than the Fakers. In hockey, the Habs have the greatest fans (but no titles for 20 years). Fans do not help teams win championships by cheering, but in the MLB with no salary cap they help the team by buying the tickets. I know, this will sound shocking, but whoever puts a better team together, usually wins, and cheering has zero impact on that. Sellouts, on the other hand, help a lot.
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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:43:53 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151759Yeah, if AT&T had 15,000 A’s-type fans like Oakland typically gets, Bumgarner wouldn’t have thrown BP pitches all night, Bochy would have made a change before Beltran’s AB, and the hitters would have teed off on those filthy RP that the Cardinals kept throwing out there. (As a ‘stick faithful) I’m so sick of crusty old timers complaining about the “new” Giant fan. I welcome the Panda hat wearing corporate “elitists” that pack the stadium all year, allowing the Giants to have a very competitive salary cap. I’ll bet if u asked any big leaguer whether they would prefer playing for empty seats in Oakland (while knowing Beane will have to trade them as soon as they succeed), or I front of a packed AT&T ever night (and knowing the Giants can reward them with a big contract), they would choose orange and black.

Those fans you hate are the reason the Giants are successful, not the 10,000 who ‘know when to chear.’

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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:02:15 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151754Jonathan #7 — I’m not saying the crowd was the only reason but it is a factor. If you don’t think crowd noise, intensity and knowledge of when to cheer doesn’t matter to the home team your the dumb one my friend…

Go read the comments from players from both teams about the crowds at the A’s home games and how much of a factor they were. We’re now winless while playing on our home turf and seem to play much better on the road. It’s obvious the upper crust crowds at AT&T provide little home field advantage, maybe the least advantage for any current playoff team.

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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:35:31 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151751Walking the pitcher???
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I mean…enough said, right?
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*ALOHA*
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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:17:48 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151748All of our starters look fatigued with the exception of Vogelsong, who went through his rough patch a few weeks ago and has seemingly recovered from that. The perfect opportunity to rest some of our starters was when the division was practically in the Giants’ hands and when they had clinched. I thought it was a huge mistake not to give each of our starters at least one start off, that could’ve paid off big time for these playoffs.

Let’s not forget that Cain, Bumgarner, and Vogelsong each logged a ton of starts where they went 7 innings and up throughout the year. We saw the effects it had on Cain after his perfect game and it’s now happened to Bumgarner. He has not been the same pitcher since he threw about 120 pitches against LA way back in August. Bochy and the pitching staff need to start paying attention to these things because our starting pitching is being run into the ground. If not, we will see these same results next season as we are seeing right now.

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Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:06:59 +0000http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/?p=15934#comment-151726The starting pitchers have all lost their “arm slots”( the position the arm must be in when releasing the baseball) for large parts of this season. We all have been beating up the hitting coach in prior years now its time to do the same to the pitching coach and manager. If they can’t figure this thing out they should look for help outside the organization. Probably to late for this year but this MUST be addressed for next year or heads should roll.