Jackson Herring:China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.

ilambiquated:Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.

What ever happened here ?When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .

You may want to let 0bama know that: "take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back"

Besides, they own more debt than US households have.

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Maybe Bush shouldn't have gotten us involved in two pointless wars and put them on a credit card, hm?

Though, that said, we established the general point (that the US will still watch movies where the US is the villain, or even cartoonishly evil) a long while back and now we're just moving the goal posts more and more arbitrarily specific as an academic exercise.

Dr.Mxyzptlk.:When Nixon opened up China and the Chinese markets to American Business we're all going to get rich selling them Fords and light bulbs and working overtime . Instead they became the world factory .

Yeah, and we became a producer or raw materials for them, like Africa and South America.

A lot of historians think that opening up the vast raw materials of the New world to Europe is what triggered the industrial revolution. Now all those resources are open to China for the first time.

Dr.Mxyzptlk.:ilambiquated: BalugaJoe: How about a movie where Taliban take over America and then create a world islamic state.

How bout a movie about a movie where the Southern Baptists take over and create an world Dominionist state.

How about movie with semi-illiterate voters elect a single party to run a major American city .We'll call it "Detroit".

But speaking of Detroit have you ever been to Stuttgart? Beautiful place. Daimler makes sure that it is. They spend huge amounts of money keeping their city nice, and it pays off. The towns around there are packed with all kinds of industries, mostly run by mid-sized companies.

Industries run on supply chains. If you let the bankers take over your industry they just look out for the quarterly results and ignore the culture that make the industry possible. Then the industry fails.

I sold computer components for Taiwanese companies in Europe in the nineties and had a front row seat on the destruction of the American computer industry. The supply chains went to Asia, and the know-how went with them. Meanwhile the American press was celebrating the "lean manufacturing" of Dell, a company that never manufactured anything.

ilambiquated:Jackson Herring: China holds around 8% of the national debt. The majority of it is held domestically. You stupid farking xenophobic farks.

You are confusing government debt with total foreign debt. China is sitting on three trillion dollars in cash it got from the US in exchange for stuff we bought from them. They can only really spend it in the US. (Or pay the Japanese for key components.) The question is, what are they going to get for it.

The answer is probably going to be oil and grain. We'll be outproducing Arabia in a decade or so in current trends.

Or pay South Korea (who they have a Trade deficit with)Or Pay Singapore (who they have a trade deficit with)

They've been reducing their cash on hand

but back to the fail point: No one should have distributed this film-Because its terrible-

make me some tea:Spanky_McFarksalot: make me some tea: They have a million or so soldiers, but their tech sucks. I wouldn't want to ever have to confront them in a land war.

yeah, you were probably worried about Saddams army too.

Not really, but then again Iraqis weren't completely brainwashed like the NK people are.

The North Korean people really aren't that brainwashed. They have cell phones and crappy radios. And their relatives visit them once in awhile. They just don't have any food or weapons and are scared shiatless of their government.

1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...

Virulency:1: why did this movie even get remade and 2: who wouldn't see it as racist or opportunistic at best? and 3: how do you think chinese would respond or the US if a giant blockbuster was anti-US trying to be shown in the US...

The funniest thing is that this movie was being made so it could be shown before the election just like the original was and the 'businessmen' running the GOP couldn't even get it right.

The original Red Dawn was a stereotypical propaganda piece. It even begins like Triumph of the Will: floating through the skies, zooming down to the motherland, and goes from there. Only instead of parades, it's the pioneering spirit of people who are somehow renegades but ready at an instant to run to the hills and setup resistance movements and the like. The homoeroticism is downright hilarious at some points, and one could easily make a theory on how Red Dawn's reflection on gender justifies and excuses the typical right-wing male's homosexual leanings via violence and 'honor.'

In short, the failure of the Red Dawn remake is a strictly Republican failure to understand current trends. It falls in line with Romney's pathetic attempts to make Russia the bad guy and how his Reagan-humping came off as even more pathetic and sad. The Republicans tried to play this like 1984 and got hamstrung when they realized it was eighteen years later and the world had drastically changed since then.

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

How about the OSA (Obama States of America) sell out the Confederate States to Mexico. The folks in Jesusland pray and then kick dem dirty Mexicans in the rear and then head north to avenge this treachery and that war of northern aggression. Right wing nut jobs get their war fix and the rest of us can get something done in this country. Call it Palin Raising.

xynix:Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?

The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

Why waste YOUR electricity? Go to Starbucks and stream it there.

Hello, I'd rather waste my electricity than go to a Starbucks, it only encourages them... :-)

yet_another_wumpus:xynix: Pocket Ninja: My opinion of someone who goes to see this movie is about the same as someone who lines up to catch the latest Fast and Furious installment. Maybe slightly lower.

I watched the original Red Dawn again a couple nights ago. That was probably my favorite movie growing up as I was young enough to be scared to death of that kind of shiat. The movie was gritty and the casting was spot on. These were desperate, scared, and pissed off kids who were trained in using firearms to a degree by their parents - lifelong hunters. The movie, at least to me, was very believable. Lets face it - we had a great enemy back then. An entire country and population we could hate and point missiles at. Now we have Best Korea and a rag-tag group of terrorists on the outskirts of some shiathole in the middle east.

This new Red Dawn is for the Twilight crowd. All kinds of glitz, great hair, Armani clothes, Somehow the kids get military training growing up in a rich white neighborhood and that's never explained. No one is tough.. They try to make all the "men" sensitive wimps. The girls never seem to get dirty or a hair out of place. Seriously.. You're better off watching Twilight than this, at least they have gay vampires.

Once more though I'm mystified as to why Hollywood continues to reboot movies that were excellent to begin with. Who not take a good concept badly executed (like Johnny Neumonic) and make it into a good movie?

The catch is that the propaganda (both US and Soviet) were too effective in 1984. While the idea of commies invading the US was completely unbelievable (I was what, 15 and understood that I could have wound up like that, if I didn't live in a country that spent uncountable billions on the military) it wasn't the complete joke to others. Two things: first, the communist collapse would happen in roughly 5 years. Second, Robert Heinlein had published a book called "Expanded Universe" in 1980 that included a bunch of pre-stroke short fiction and near the end some updates on predictions of the future and descriptions of the then-USSR (note, of all the stuff that he claimed would happen before 2000 [in 1950], only "proof of life after death" and "the fall of communism" hadn't happened yet. He decided to stand fast on both, even though he didn't see any reason to hope for what would happen in half that time.

I am also amused that "political correctness" == "market forces" here and that those that would blindly obey one will attack the other on sight, even when they are obviously one and the same.

Yep, the original was great. No need for a reboot, especially since it won't work anymore. In the 80's, we were in the last decade of the Cold War, Russia was our enemy, and Cuba was the psycho neighbor you hide behind the curtain to watch when you call the cops on him. It worked: The military power of the Soviet Union coupled with the tactical advantage of Cuba's location. Now with the U.S.S.R. no more, the premise galls apart. Whether believable before or not, this new shiat is definitely in the 'Who is on LSD?' category. Remaking it just pisses people off, with a net gain of about 5 fans who wouldn't have preferred the original, even if they had never even heard of it.

Or why not go with Beau's sarcastic suggestion, and depict an assault from the mythical creatures of faery ...

Hell, why not an uprising of the undead...

Well, here's one person who has no concept of how the movie works. It's not Independence Day or True Blood, it's a movie about how the US undergoes a surprise invasion and occupation, and how a small group of teenagers fights back. It's not supposed to be a sci fi or horror, just 'fi'.

I really wish that they hadn't decided to fark around and make this movie. Like Footlose, there was no need in any way for a remake of Red Dawn. It worked when it did, but has no context in today's world. I'll watch it when it doesn't cost me any more than some electricity, but that's it.

I agree, and the same thing goes for "Arthur".

I also agree with those who say the movie made sense in the 80's with the cold war but not now. Besides Cuba, I believe Nicaragua was communist at the time also making the story plausible from a logistical standpoint. It makes no sense in so many ways that North Korea could manage to stage any sort of U.S. invasion and occupation, especially with the technology the U.S. military has.

But then those are things people with common sense think about, not the target audience of the movie. I can see how this appeals to a certain segment of the U.S. populace; look how successful "2016" was. The movie is basically "porn for the derpers" and a fantasy dream for the tin foil hat crowd. They not only see the premise of the movie believable, but plausible by the many enemies created by the conservative echo chamber.