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<p>...</p>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:11:03 +0000Mauricecomment 80393 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80457
<p>Jim, <br /><br />A side point:<br /><br />&quot;Getting rid of&quot; a table is NOT NECESSARILY the same thing as &quot;getting rid of&quot; all the rows in a table. A table can still exist with zero rows.<br /><br />When you have a container of objects, and all of the objects are gone, the container doesn&#39;t vanish. <br />
<br /><br />-- <br />Bailey Steinfadt<br /><a href="mailto:runnerbee17@gmail.com" target="_blank">runnerbee17@gmail.com</a><br /><br /><br /></p>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:05:42 +0000Baileycomment 80457 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80430
<p>I agree, consistency is important, which is why I disagree with you, Rhonda. "Getting rid of" the table is the same thing as "getting rid of" all the rows in the table, so the terms should be the same; it's only a matter of degree or number where they differ.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I think you can stress way to much over what is often a choice that makes no real difference. If there are other "getting rid of" actions in the project, use parallel terminology. If there are other apps in the same niche, either match what they use or explicitly don't match. If there's nothing else worth paralleling or differentiating from, ask the simple question: "Will even 1% of projected users care/be confused/etc.?" If the answer is "probably not", then go with your gut. This thread has probably already expended more energy than the question was worth.</p>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:06:06 +0000cfmdesignscomment 80430 at http://www.ixda.org(No subject)http://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80404
<p>Specific to meaning … I use delete if somethng is thrown away, removed from a database, gone. It requires greater action to locate &amp; restore something deleted. Remove when something is no longer catagorized or related to something else (as a list or collection perhaps.) It is still within fair reach, and you can access it again to restore its connection or relationship.Though you "remove" it still exists within a database.</p>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 03:32:48 +0000Jennifer Quigleycomment 80404 at http://www.ixda.org(No subject)http://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80396
<p>There's some good and bad advice among the foregoing comments. Context is key, as always. In this case, users are editing a table. This is something people commonly do in desktop apps that have existed for many years. In such a case, designers shouldn't invent, they should copy—that is, follow standard practice. Look at MS Word and Dreamweaver—and Google Docs, too—where you'll see that they all use <em>Delete</em> in both cases. But your labels should be specific: <strong>Delete Table </strong>and <strong>Delete Row</strong>. In a document-editing situation, no confirmation dialog box appears when a user deletes something—even a table. However, if this table is something users don't create themselves, it would be important to allow users to undo a delete or revert to a default state. Best not to display a confirmation message box, which would be obstructive to users' carrying on with their work. It would be much better to support undo.</p><p>These days, there are just two cases when designers should invent new ways of doing things:</p><p><ol><li>When they're solving a design problem that hasn't been solved before.</li><li>When a disruptive innovation would make a product much, much better.</li></ol></p>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:23:17 +0000pabinicomment 80396 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80395
<p>Hi Maurice,</p>
<p>After reading all the feedback and your explanation of what you are trying to accomplish...I would go with &quot;deleting&quot; the table and &quot;removing&quot; the row.... though there is no undo feature, both actions are indeed different and performed for different reasons. Therefore it makes sense to distinguish between deleting the entire table vs. removing a single row.</p>
<p>You could explain that any deletion or removal can not be retrieved...etc...</p>
<p>Either way consistancy is key.</p>
<p>Rhonda :)</p>
<p>On Dec 3, 2010 7:42 PM, &quot;Jesus Adrian Hernandez Lozano&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jhernandez@idztech.net">jhernandez@idztech.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution" />&gt; i think you can use the same word for both cases , but you need to take <br />
&gt; special care of some points like<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; - Consistency in all the app <br />&gt; <br />&gt; - add extra text to the labels : Delete (or Remove) Table , Delete (or <br />&gt; Remove) Row<br />&gt; <br />
&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; According to what you`re saying, remove (or delete) in both cases gets <br />&gt; the same result : Eliminates the object with no rollback , la main difference <br />&gt; is you warn the user in the table case<br />
&gt; <br />&gt; Instead of divide the actions per table/Row, maybe you can replace the <br />&gt; table wording by &quot;remove all rows&quot; or the table has another additional <br />&gt; properties/values ?<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Regards!<br />
&gt; <br />&gt; (((Plea</p>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 03:05:18 +0000Rhonda Ranneycomment 80395 at http://www.ixda.org(No subject)http://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80394
<p></p><p>i think you can use the same word for both cases , but you need to take special care of some points like</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>- Consistency in all the app&nbsp;</p><p>- add extra text to the labels : Delete (or Remove) Table , Delete (or Remove) Row</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>According to what &nbsp;you`re saying, &nbsp;remove (or delete) in both cases gets the same result : Eliminates the object with no rollback , la main difference is you warn the user in the table case</p><p>Instead of divide the actions per &nbsp;table/Row, maybe you can replace the table wording by "remove all rows" &nbsp;or the table has another additional properties/values ?</p><p>Regards!</p>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 00:10:11 +0000Chuy Hernandezcomment 80394 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80392
<p>Delete = really delete an object (but it could be restored by Undo).
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<p>Remove = remove from a list or other view, but keeping the object.</p>
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<p>Best regards,</p>
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<p>Nils-Erik<br />
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<p>Nils-Erik Gustafsson<br />
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GUI@cmpmail.com
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br />
From: Maurice Carty &lt;mo_vibes@hotmail.com&gt;<br />
To: gui@cmpmail.com<br />
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 7:39 pm<br />
Subject: [IxDA] Delete vs. Remove<br />
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<p>Hi all,&nbsp;<br />
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<p>What are your thoughts on using the term "Delete" vs. "Remove"?&nbsp;<br />
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<p>Delete = destructive? permanent?&nbsp;<br /></p>
<p>Remove = non-destructive? Is it still there, somewhere? permanent?&nbsp;<br />
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<p>Differing people seem to have their own views or interpretations.&nbsp;<br /></p>
<p>Your thoughts/comments are appreciated.&nbsp;<br />
&nbsp;<br /></p>
<p>Thanks.&nbsp;<br />
&nbsp;<br /></p>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:05:45 +0000Nils-Erik Gustafssoncomment 80392 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80391
<p>To simplify, what is the button going to do? Delete or remove? And in what context?</p>
<p>On Dec 3, 2010 1:50 PM, &quot;Maurice Carty&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mo_vibes@hotmail.com">mo_vibes@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution" />&gt; Hi all,<br />&gt; <br />&gt; What are your thoughts on using the term &quot;Delete&quot; vs. &quot;Remove&quot;?<br />
&gt; <br />&gt; Delete = destructive? permanent?<br />&gt; Remove = non-destructive? Is it still there, somewhere? permanent?<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Differing people seem to have their own views or interpretations.<br />&gt; Your thoughts/comments are appreciated.<br />
&gt; <br />&gt; Thanks.<br />&gt; <br />&gt;</p>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:05:43 +0000Rhonda Ranneycomment 80391 at http://www.ixda.orgRe: [IxDA] Delete vs. Removehttp://www.ixda.org/node/28613#comment-80390
<p>What are you trying to do? Are you trying to delete a file or unpublish it?</p>
<p>Debbie</p>
<p>-----Original Message-----
From: Maurice Carty
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:00 AM
To: dj@danceofthebee.com
Subject: [IxDA] Delete vs. Remove</p>
<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on using the term "Delete" vs. "Remove"?</p>
<p>Delete = destructive? permanent?
Remove = non-destructive? Is it still there, somewhere? permanent?</p>
<p>Differing people seem to have their own views or interpretations.
Your thoughts/comments are appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 20:05:41 +0000blissfulgurucomment 80390 at http://www.ixda.org