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i wonder when is Steve Mazzaro going to get his shot to compose something himself, i feel like the guy is very talented and hasn't gotten his chance. I kinda lowkey wished he did Aquaman, i don't know what the hype was for RGW WW score i thought it was underwhelming.

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Edmund Meinerts

2018-10-11 15:20:01

I reckon if he (or Andrew K) had ambitions to score big movies then Hans probably could have gotten him plenty of gigs by now. Maybe he's happy working the way he does. It took Lorne Balfe a few years before his solo career started really taking off as well...

bro

2018-10-11 20:50:21

what do you think "The Boss Baby" was

Mephariel

2018-10-11 22:07:03

The Boss Baby still has Zimmer's name attached to it. I am sure Mazzaro did a lot of it (if not, most of it), but has Mazzaro ever done anything that impressive within a collaborative score that is wholeheartedly his? I think the best cue in The Boss Baby is from Pope. The second best is probably the cues with the main theme, and I am not sure if he wrote that or Zimmer.

Excuse me hybrid i have a question. I raed before that hans was hired junkie to score the batman themes because i felt it is kind of betray to christian bale batman and because he felt ben afflek batman wasnt interesting for him. But at the end hans score a lot of the batman music. Is it right ?If it is right wonder woman theme most of batman and superman theme also lex leutor theme composed by hans. Is it true ?

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Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-07 16:58:25

Careful with interviews...

Hans trapped himself with this whole "I will let Tom do Batman" story and had to stick to it no matter what.

But very early in the process he had started writing a riff for Batman and wanted to see where Tom could bring this. Maybe he just didn't bring it anywhere. The Batman theme was done early on... We first heard it during Comic-con 2015 in the summer, and the score was recorded in august/september 2015, for a release in march 2016... So it wasn't exactly a "last minute rushed job"...

Anonymous

2018-10-07 18:22:38

Thank you hybrid. It seems every musical project for hans is an oppurtumity for other RCP composers to collabrate with him and learn from him.

George

2018-10-07 20:58:50

Not really related to discussion but it’s nice to see some good conversation happening on this site again... I feel like it’s been a bit dead for a little while.

Sideshow Bob

2018-10-07 22:59:15

Pirates of the cairbean 1

One of the fast and the furious movies (6? 7? I dont know )

apparently transformers 5

BvS

I’ve heard whispers of tron legacy and guardians of the galaxy (I know not RCP but the point is that the house of mouse wasn’t gonna let some guys (2 of them being French DJs who’d never scored a film before, and the other who’d mostly done thriller/horror/smaller films and not an MCU film) suddenly work on major films of theirs without having done work with them in the past.

I’m sure there’s more.

Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-08 00:15:51

But I don't get your point with these particular scores ?

What's wrong with Tron Legacy ?

DP wrote parts of it, got credited, Trapanese wrote a lot of it, got credited...

TF5 like every TF movie Steve got help, but everyone got credited ?

POTC 1 Klaus was credited, didn't write as much as he was supposed to but everyone else got credited (even Hans in the cuesheet) ?

BvS everyone was credited for the cues they did ?

So, what are you trying to say ?

HunterTech

2018-10-08 01:03:30

Wait, where is this TL information from? Because the most official statement that I've seen is Trapanese saying that DP did indeed write the whole thing, and that film credits only them as the sole composers. Is this some cuesheet we don't have, or another POTC1 situation where the real story isn't the official one? Because I've seen a lot of conflicting statements, and would like to hear some definitive word on it.

Anonymous

2018-10-08 01:54:03

My point is RCP doesn’t always credit the real composer. Hans Zimmer is not credited where credit is most due for Pirates ofthe Caribbean: right on the front cover. Regulars will tell you Klaus Badelt scored it. But Zimmer did the bulk did he not?

You totally dodged Fast and the Furious and guardians of the galaxy (again I know that one isn’t RCP)

Where is everyone credited in TF5? Steve Jablonsky is listed on every single cue.

BvS yeah everyone got credited....which is my point. Junkie XL is listed as main composer right next to hans Zimmer. And he did 5 cues? Wtf? Everyone else did the bulk of the work. Seems a little messy.

bro

2018-10-08 04:50:08

The co-composer credit in BvS was a deal between JXL and Hans, it was basically a thank-you for his previous work on Man Of Steel, where he actually did do a lot of serious work. He deserves the co-composer credit on that score instead.

superultramegaa

2018-10-08 17:01:47

The Transformers credits situation is normal. With the exception of TF2 and TF4, there have always been little to no details regarding the credits. Either a problem with the production not releasing any details, or Steve himself.

Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-08 18:51:21

Fast 6 is Vidal credited despite not writing the final score... He's not RCP, so... ?

The problem is a thing you tend to attach to "RCP" is actually just Hollywood industry...

Yes everyone is credited in the end credits for additional music or arrangements... There are 2 types of deals... People can get paid for the work they spend on a project and be credited in the film credits... Or they can not appear in the film credits but still get money from royalties (cuesheet), or both... The only problem is when they don't appear at all in either the credits or cuesheet... lol

Sideshow Bob

2018-10-08 19:18:06

so if Lucas Vidal didn’t write the final score who dunnit?

Prott

2018-10-08 21:04:02

Haha, I think there's only one RCP composer that comes to mind when you need a last minute major hollywood motion picture rescore. :-)

Scorefan

2018-10-09 00:37:22

Sideshow Bob. Ii was Lorne

uhhhh

2018-10-09 04:26:01

Don't forget Zanelli rescored Secret Window, Hitman and Christopher Robin each in two or three weeks

Sideshow Bob

2018-10-09 15:32:56

I actually like Philip Glass’ cues better and was gz not the original composer for Hitman? I never heard this?

i feel bad for Junkie. he is a very talented film composer and has done music in that past that's not film. and whatever i or we said in the past about his contribution to BvS was wrong.

the more i listened to the two scores i have the more i wanted to learn about what he did. he, himself, seldom talks about it. i was so happy to learn he worked on Zod on MoS (my favorite bad guy theme forever). i even asked on his YT that he gives us a rundown if he could... but he is not interested.

this is so wrong whatever we fans did. i am so upset with myself for it...

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Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-07 09:20:44

Well he did a lot on MOS, and I probably was one of the firsts to insist on that.

But for BvS, I won't just lie for the sake of lying because he's co-credited composer. He didn't do much on it at all, end of story. I honestly don't know what happened, but that's it...

bro

2018-10-07 11:42:30

Tom's contribution:

- The Tower Falls- Branding- Chase- Hero Fight- Men Are Still Good (end)and sound design and perc/rhythm influence including work previously from MoS.

Honestly the real star of this score and Inferno is Steve Mazzaro, Andrew was great as well, but Steve has carried a few scores on his back lately

What seems strange to me is that Junkie and Zack Snyder seem to have a great working relationship, as evidenced by MOS and 300. He was even asked to do Justice League initially. So why did he end up only doing a handful of cues yet still get credited as co-composer?

The only two things I can think of is either scheduling issues (which I’m sure isn’t the case if he was already signed onto BvS) or disagreements over the music he may have written. Especially since Hans ended up doing the bulk of the new Batman material. The whole thing is very strange to me, and Junkie seems to have taken credit for material he never had a hand in writing.

Sideshow Bob

2018-10-07 16:42:23

Composers taking credit for cues they’ve never written is the bulk of RCP

mpolonest123

2018-10-07 16:48:20

It’s one thing to be credited on a cue based on a theme or idea being used. Or even in the case with Winter’s Tale, where Hans had only written the main tune while RGW did the bulk of score, the interviews he gave were vague enough.

In Junkie’s case he has fully come out and said he had a hand in WW’s theme, where that doesn’t seem to have been the case at all (at least going off of what was said here).

Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-07 17:16:41

Bob, like what ?

Sideshow Bob

2018-10-07 22:59:54

I replied to the wrong section but you will see my post

bro

2018-10-08 04:47:32

Lol. Hans does his music diaries/suites but Steve and Andrew score the films most of the time now. So yeah Hans does the ground work, but his team really do a lot of work.

Steve helped bring the new batman theme to life with that fast string shorts trem-arp overlayed over the batman tracks, and Ow, my balls. He scored the vast majority of the cues in BvS.

Even more, it's interesting to see what Steve did with Inferno in 'the cistern', using existing material and creating an epic new spin of it.

beautiful lie is a reprise of the variations Jablonsky did on the tears of the sun theme. i never owned that score but when people mentioned it i listened to it and they were right (listen to track 9 around 4.50m).

i believe it must have been a temp track and for all the hate temp tracks get, in this case it got the job done.

hands down my favorite melodic track on this score!

Hybrid Soldier

2018-10-07 09:06:38

I doubt it was temp, more like "muscle memory" from Hans ! :)

And I always found that title for Tears, "Jablonsky Variations" to be so wrong because Jablonsky's part is actually 2 minutes from that whole track, and the big epic part that sounds like BvS is 100% HZ.

Hello everyone , i am a bit confuse , who did the main theme of batman and superman ? Hans or junkie ?! Because hans said he would write only superman theme and batman theme will be write by junkie , but now i see the batman main theme ( a beautiful lie ) wrote by hans !! Would you please explain this . The most confusing matter is hans always co compose his own projects and then it is not clear how is behind the film music really !! Thank you my freinds .

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yes

2018-02-01 12:32:36

Hans said Junkie was going to do batman, but Hans ended up doing it himself. This is why you should say as little as possible about a project until it is done and delivered.

Lynk

2018-02-01 16:30:32

Maybe Junkie did write something for Batman. Perhaps the reason we don't hear it is because it didn't work for the studio and Zimmer had to step in and save the day.

JXL (from facebook): "While I may have had a hand in writing themes for powerful heroines like Tris, Furiosa, Wonder Woman and Lara Croft, there's so much room for talented female composers!"This page: Is She With You? (Wonder Woman Theme) (5:46) Hans Zimmer, Steve MazzaroWTF?

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Ds

2018-03-16 09:01:16

Officially, the whole BvS score is credited to HZ & JXL, so the theme is kind of "his" even if he didn't write it himself. Note that his formulation is very careful and leaves all interpretations open: "I may have had a hand" didn't mean he wrote it. It can simply mean that he gave Hans his opinion about it, or some piece of advice on the mix or the drum pattern for instance...

HunterTech

2018-03-17 06:53:42

The Justice League listing of "Is She With You?" in the credits list the following people: Hans Zimmer, Bob Badami (as Robert Badami), Melissa Muik, Mark Wherry (as Mark Andrew Wherry) and Steve Mazzaro. No sign of Tom here either, so I'm definitely inclined to agree that he was asked his opinion on the theme to help shape it a bit.

HunterTech

2018-03-17 06:58:04

Though considering their actual roles in the production of the score, it's likely that it was an obligation on WB's part to credit Bob, Melissa, and Mark in this instance.

Are you numbnuts dumb? Is it not obvious that Warner Bros got fed up with the Junk and decided to go elsewhere?

They continue with Hans, of course, but Junk is, well, junk. A below-par DJ someone let into a house with great equipment. He molested that gear for a bit, coming up with good stuff on a ratio of 2/10 (Mad Max Theme, Dark Tower Theme) and utterly failing, on all fronts as a human composer on everything else.

He is literally one of the worst composers of all time - seriously, have a look at yourself if you support this guy - how much music have you listened to in the past? Like, 'actual' music, or even Zimmer music - if you have followed Zimmer from thr 1990s you would not support this master of nonsense.

Please prove me wrong.

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Ds

2018-01-29 19:59:19

They got fed up, sure, that's why they gave him the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot when he was delivered from Justice League.

olive

2018-01-30 01:37:49

The man did not even do Justice League score, guy! He left unscathed, left because Snyder left ... Go to sleep peacefully listening to the score that Elfman made for his film.

Zimmer

2018-01-30 05:30:51

Junkie developed a lot of impressive rhythmic motifs for several RCP scores and was hardly credited for it. Especially for MoS which he developed all of them, and a few themes and sub-themes. (Zod, Arcade, all percussion, world engine and other ambient and synth sound design)

Maybe he isn't a 'Master' of film music, but he only recently got his foot in the door.

Kingfannypack is the Milfcommander

2018-01-30 07:14:18

Junkie's talent is certainly established. He helped Man of Steel become one of RCP's best epic soundtracks. It's an earworm I openly welcome.

meta

2018-01-30 14:16:56

While I will admit some of his offerings have been pretty good - Man of Steel for example - his best is when he works with others, and definitely not scoring by himself.

Case in point - the only OST I have of him is Mad Max. Personally, I find that to be his high watermark. I dont know if its the sound of his synths, or what, but anything else he does I find lacking.

Like people have said - his percussion creation is good. NMaybe that's all he's good for, however....

mpolonest123

2018-01-30 14:25:46

What about Divergent, Black Mass, or Brimstone? Everyone always talks about his percs/synths, but always seem to forget that he does have a talent for string writing.

Ahmad

2018-01-30 15:39:13

^ Seriously. Some people seem to ignore his other scores and try to paint the image that he only does bombastic synth/drums heavy scores. I seriously don't understand the hate.

Tris from DivergentLiz & Genesis (this track is one of my favorite string compositions ever) from Brimstone The main theme from Run All NightThe Dark Tower Theme

Scorefan

2018-01-30 16:13:46

Tom is really really, a really good composer. His Arcade Theme from Man of Steel is the best and for me the new superman theme.

Ian

2018-01-30 16:18:16

Ahmad - I tend to agree with the criticisms of Junkie (to be perfectly honest, I struggle to even think of him as a film composer), but in the interest of giving him a fair chance I'll listen to all of those pieces... and holy shit, Tris, albeit almost a song rather than a cue, is excellent! Thanks for posting dude.

Ian

2018-01-30 16:29:52

Scorefan - wait, didn't Hans do the strings (in other words, the heart of the suite) for Arcade? I seem to recall comments to the effect that Junkie was only responsible for its percussion, sound design, and overall rhythm.

mpolonest123

2018-01-30 16:39:15

All of the criticisms of Tom are valid, but you have to consider he is still a fairly new film composer, and most of his projects have pigeonholed him into a certain sound (Mad Max, 300, Deadpool, etc.) I guarantee in 10 years he will definitely have found his voice as a composer and developed his sound.

@mpolonest123 Thanks for adding Black Mass! I was going to do it because most people seem to forget that score and it has some great beautiful themes.

Ds

2018-01-31 13:53:49

The end credits suite from Point Break is pretty awesome, up there with the best bits from Fury Road and Divergent! A huge wall of sound, an epic feel and very cool themes.

Meta

2018-01-31 14:17:03

Ds - the only OTHER score I am fond of Junkie's is Point Break. The only problem is its never been released...Haven't got a clue why....But I would rank him as: Man of Steel, Mad Max, then Point Break....Rest are awful for me.

mpolonest123

2018-01-31 14:32:12

@DS Point Break is every action music cliche rolled into 10 minutes.... and I freaking love it!

As for the score not seeing a release, considering how awful the film was I’m not really surprised. Shame too, there are some badass cues in there.

meow meow puppy

2018-01-31 14:55:39

Hey guys,

IMO Junkie is good, but I just don't "feel" his music. I think there are far more superior film composers.

What I would like is to make like 5 clones of HZ so he could stop collaborating with all these n00bs and start collaborating with ppl of real quality - himself :)

Ds

2018-01-31 16:07:55

Well Junkie's heavy rythmic action music is a particular style but it's pretty damn awesome. And it's indeed the only style of his that I really really like. When he tries to be "emotional" or to write a proper theme I often find it a bit boring.

JBSO99

2018-01-31 17:25:34

I like when he goes more emotional, but I prefer his action scores (like Mad Max). Also, Point Break was a great action score (perfect for a running session), too bad it has not been released...

puppy again

2018-01-31 19:07:45

Yes, if you like that rhythmic stuff then Junkie is the man. As for me, it's not my cup of tea, but his drums do sound awesome :)

Olive

2018-02-01 02:47:16

I agree with @Ds on everything he wrote. I like XL's rhythmic material very much in its action scores. They are a funny listening.

I love that he reused the famous Tears of the Sun melody in this score. I remember it being maybe the first or among the first HZ themes I copied on my piano, probably because it's very simple :), BUT it is also very effective and can blend in almost everywhere. In fact it is one of my favorite film themes because it's so simple yet so effective and I'm glad he recycled it for this movie :)

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lol

2018-01-29 04:01:12

what melody

JBSO99

2018-01-29 11:28:50

I think he is referring to the theme that appears in Beautiful Lie, that is very similar to one of the themes from Tears of the Sun.

I also love that theme. The opening credits of the movie are beautiful with this music!

Talking about Batman v Superman does anyone know why Xl ended up not making the Batman theme as it had been previously established?

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ThomasFernandoMusic

2018-01-01 22:10:04

The Batman Theme of the Nolan trilogy was not reused in BvS for the same reason that Elfman's theme was not reused for Batman Begins - with a new Batman (Affleck), and new continuity that started with Man of Steel, HZ and JXL chose to write a new theme, that was more fitting to the tone and style of Snyder's work. I hope this answers your question

Ahmad

2018-01-01 23:40:44

I think he's asking about BvS specifically.

Well, it was said that JXL would compose the then new Batman theme and Hans didn't want to get involved in it since he spend so many years with the Dark Knight trilogy but then he couldn't stay away and started getting ideas and they both worked on. That's obviously what both of them told us in interviews (available on YouTube).

Who knows if there's another reason we don't know about. Some JXL doubters/haters want to think that he couldn't do it alone so Hans came in to save the day, I'll go with what they told us over what some people want to believe.

james (now james callahan)

2018-01-02 00:21:53

I say this specifically because of Hybrid's credits in this video (https: // www. youtube.com/watch?v=jYqt3gE6i3g), for example. He credits Zimmer and Mazzaro, there is no mention of the JXL name. Which, in a way, implies that he has no involvement with any of the ideas played on this track.From what I understand, the original ideas of XL are those played in "Do You Bleed?". The rest of the material "Black and Blue", "New Rules" and"Their War is Here" are tracks composed of arrangements made by XL of the existing material primarily composed by Zimmer or AK (which I believe to have composed the dissonant sounds of the score).Even "Do You Bleed" is not 100% original since it counts with the participation of the theme of the video.

Hybrid Soldier

2018-01-02 00:24:51

Hey the credits are not "mine", that's the cuesheet. And I talked to people who worked on the score, they confirm it.

But I honestly don't know why Junkie ended up doing pretty much... almost nothing from that score...

Rigby

2018-01-02 00:38:12

Hybrid, can you make a page for the sessions or does it need to leak first?

james (now james callahan)

2018-01-02 00:43:56

Thanks for the reply, Hybrid!

Exact. Sometimes I imagine that Snyder is very passionate about the work that XL developed in 300 and so he asked for Zimmer to produce something similar for MoS and BvS. As Holkenborg works with him, it was not difficult to bring the man in person to help him on this mission. When Zimmer decided to leave the genre, he decided to hand the baton directly to Holkenborg and share the credit (deserved) with it on BvS. This was a way to make fans of the DC universe familiar with him.

james (now james callahan)

2018-01-02 00:58:12

And it's not like he did not do anything. He did a lot (composition (of some small ideas and arrangements of much material composed by Zimmer). It's as if we had Geoff Zanelli receiving the co-composer credit for The Lone Ranger, Lorne Balfe for Inception or James Dooley for Madagascar.

lmao

2018-01-02 02:36:00

I know he did a lot more than Hybrid could know for this score, the staff of this website can downplay his contributions, and he may not have composed the batman theme, but he did so much work on this score and MoS that it's pathetic to see Hybrid and others shitting all over him

Ian

2018-01-02 02:52:34

@lmao - if you look at the BvS expanded score page on this site, you'll see that Junkie only appears on seven cues (unless I've miscounted). I think it's fair to say that represents a pretty minimal contribution for someone officially credited as a co-composer. Honestly, I get the sense Lorne did proportionally more on Inception, and seemingly only film score aficionados know he contributed anything to that score.

Hybrid Soldier

2018-01-02 09:51:59

Me shitting on Junkie ? Are you crazy ?

I was defending him when no one was. And yes, he did a LOT on Man Of Steel, which surprises even more as to why he did not here... Maybe he found Deadpool more interesting...

James

2018-01-02 17:27:41

I did not want to offend XL, Hybrid or that any member of the forum see my comment this way.It was just my curiosity. I particularly like the score. The only tracks that bother me about him are the themes for Lex Luthor, Doomsday and Must Be A Superman.

James

2018-01-02 17:28:41

About it**

Balfe

2018-01-29 16:16:56

Are you numbnuts dumb? Is it not obvious that Warner Bros got fed up with the Junk and decided to go elsewhere?

They continue with Hans, of course, but Junk is, well, junk. A below-par DJ someone let into a house with great equipment. He molested that gear for a bit, coming up with good stuff on a ratio of 2/10 (Mad Max Theme, Dark Tower Theme) and utterly failing, on all fronts as a human composer on everything else.

He is literally one of the worst composers of all time - seriously, have a look at yourself if you support this guy - how much music have you listened to in the past? Like, 'actual' music, or even Zimmer music - if you have followed Zimmer from thr 1990s you would not support this master of nonsense.

I think the person who should be called out is Geoff Johns. Zack was just scapegoated by Geoff. (People who don't know who he is, Johns is the head of DC Films.)

We have been let down by mismanagement, marketing mistakes and one PR nightmare after another because of this one man who is confused and doesn't know what to do and people should be aware of that and that man is Geoff Johns. DC needs someone else that could lead (that person has to know both comics as well as how to make movies) and honor the brand. We thought he'll be like Feige but he didn't turn out to be like him or better. The DCEU is a mess and the cause of this mess is Geoff Johns. He alone is to blame for DC's failures.

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Everan

2017-09-30 19:06:18

Geoff Jones wasn't involved in the DCEU until very late production of Wonder Woman but ok

Everan

2017-09-30 19:06:18

Geoff Jones wasn't involved in the DCEU until very late production of Wonder Woman but ok

i swear people, whoever they are, and are rating soundtracks have not understood this music.

oh by the way hybrid, my man, you are wrong too! i am no movie dude, and i have enjoyed every single soundtrack without watching any of them movies! for me, it's the soundtrack that draw me to the movie...

Looks like they are gonna use the WW here, but no word on if any of Zimmer's Superman material will return. I'm excited to hear Elfman's Batman theme return, but it would be pretty disappointing to see a total lack of continuity.

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Hybrid Soldier

2017-09-28 23:08:09

Forget about "continuity", that film finished by Whedon will have nothing to do with Zack Snyder's intended movie...

Everan

2017-09-28 23:16:07

How? Joss probably didn't even make 90% of it!

Hybrid Soldier

2017-09-28 23:20:03

They will keep in their original forms only the action scenes Zack made. They reshot a lot of dialogues because they were "too dark" with Zack. Think editing, think music etc. There will be a lot of Snyder footage of course, but his spirit will be trashed... Exactly like Superman II with Donner. His film was destroyed back in the days, despite having a majority of scenes he shot.

mpolonest123

2017-09-28 23:30:50

@Hybrid Do you know at all if Tom wrote a sketchbook suite for JL? Or some initial ideas at least?

Everan

2017-09-28 23:30:59

Zack wanted Joss though, so he's confident about his work on JL. It will be great!

Better to have a great Justice League film made by both than a rather decent or worse JL film made by Zack.

Hybrid Soldier

2017-09-28 23:53:40

You mean "Zack told the press" lol...

It'll be horrible, Whedon is aweful, it'll just be Marvel 2.0...

Anyway, the big irony is that WaterTower released the single "Come Together" a couple of weeks ago, remixed by... Junkie XL for the trailer...

Medigo

2017-09-29 00:29:47

Marvel Whedon is too fluffyZack DC is too rough.Maybe a happy mix will be nice.Still Zack's style clearly was not working

Waymann

2017-09-29 11:17:23

Pfff so less exited for this score now. Why no continuity and bring those old themes back why? It will sound like one big joke.

JBSO99

2017-09-29 11:58:04

Wayman That's exactly what I think. If you have some good themes that belong to the same universo, why would you bring back themes from a movie of almost 30 years ago? Not that I don't like that theme but I think it's just pointless.

And about the movie, I hope Whedon hasn't created a new "Avengers" movie because if I want an Avengers movie I would watch any Marvel movie. Snyder's movies were not perfect but they were different.

Let's wait and we'll see but I have lost a bit of interest in the movie.

MrZimmerFan

2017-09-29 12:10:29

We're talking about Joss Whedon, the guy created Buffy and Firefly... not a fu** Colin Trevorrow (that guy is something who feared in movies)

And this comes from a Snyder's fan...

Hybrid Soldier

2017-09-29 12:29:33

Exactly, he's a TV guy, he should have stayed there...

Avengers 1 & 2 look like overbudgeted TV movies, he should learn a lesson or two from the Russos about making a cinema movie...

MrZimmerFan

2017-09-29 12:54:43

@Hybrid: I don't think the Russos are the best example... Civil War was a HUGE letdown from the MARVELOUS The Winter Soldier and The First Avenger.

And i don't hate Marvel, but his last movies, are just so... bland, like Homecoming. And Whedon has style and sustance, it's an autor.

Meta

2017-09-29 14:14:30

Yeah...Looks like Elfman is going symphonic with his score. I guess this will be a major contrast with the previous, so I have no idea how I'm to process this now, having been used to Zimmer's crew over the last 17 years...

Bolidzar

2017-09-29 15:57:50

Yikes! This is going to be bad. I am not a fan of Elfman. He has his own good quirky stuff, but in terms of total projects, for me it never works.

James

2017-09-29 20:38:17

Folks, Elfman was hired to make an authorial score and not a copy of what would be done by Zimmer or JXL. I am particularly happy with what he said in the interview. We will have togheter on the score the ICONIC themes of Elfman and Williams, without neglect the contributions of Zimmer. We will have a good result.

The rendition of What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World in the new Justice League trailer is pretty cool, at least it shows they have not forgotten this theme :-p

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Micah

2017-07-23 18:42:11

So, is that Elfman's score in the trailer? It seems a bit early, but if that is, I just MIGHT be okay with him taking over from Junkie.

James

2017-07-23 19:44:23

No.The trailer's music is almost never is composed by the composer of the score. It is made by a specialized company.

Ahmad

2017-07-23 20:53:57

You said it yourself "almost never". Some MoS trailers featured Hans' score. ComicCon trailer for BvS featured music from Hans and Tom. I actually didn't hear any reference to Hans' 3 main Supes motifs. Beside the hints of "Come Together", I find the music rather boring anf generic.

James

2017-07-23 21:53:14

Yep. I know, but we have to agree that Elfman would never do anything like that. I do not think even XL.Listen again. They refer to the themes of Hans' Superman in the second half of the trailer.

Michael

2017-07-23 22:08:45

I think its probably a remix by Hi-Finesse or someone like that. Just guessing maybe based on some of Elfmans work based on XL&Zimmer's themes

James

2017-07-24 01:38:58

Perhaps. I also noticed a more heroic variation. How to turn the theme into a march.

Holy hell!Wondering if the thems for WW, Supes and Bats get to stay around.

NotSoAnonymous

2017-06-15 01:09:34

This is actually not exciting news for me. The DCEU has a very distinct sound going so far with the work of Hans and Tom, and while Danny Elfman is very accomplished and talented, he has a very distinct style of his own. I was hoping for a more musical consistency, however I will reserve judgement until I hear the product.

Frank

2017-06-15 01:30:56

I'm not sure if this is a replacement or it's gonna be more like what happened to Avengers 2

mpolonest123

2017-06-15 02:16:26

Hmmmm....

One one hand I'm fairly disappointed. I've always been a fan of JXL and wanted to see what themes he would bring to the DCEU. Also, the films do have a stylistic connection musically and to change it this far in the game would be idiotic (Marvel still can't get this right)

On the other hand, I do love Danny Elfman and his work on Age of Ultron recently was very good. If he can at least stick with the aforementioned tone of this universe and doesn't ixnay the existing themes then I say; LET HIM HAVE IT!!!!

And food for thought, now we can finally hear what his take for Superman will sound like lol

care

2017-06-15 03:00:11

I doubt Elfman will use the existing themes.

But is anyone *really* going to care?

James

2017-06-15 03:01:22

I'm not a hater, but definitely changing XL for Elfman would be the best thing to do. Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to having Danny Elfman as the composer for "The Batman." DC can not miss this opportunity. A better choice than Giacchino.

Ahmad

2017-06-15 03:01:56

I'm so disappointed. I was eagerly waiting to hear what JXL is going to do. It's not clear if he's being replaced or he's working with Elfman.

I hope WB and DC will still push the already established themes.

James

2017-06-15 03:10:47

He will continue. Elfman will get the new scenes recorded by Whedon. That's good news man! We have a possible Elfman soundtrack for Batman 26 years after.

James

2017-06-15 03:15:33

And the themes can be replaced or arranged and enriched in a more heroic and orchestrated way. Let's be honest the new Batman theme is weak, the worst theme for the character in the movie so far.

NotSoAnonymous

2017-06-15 03:34:45

Tom just posted on his Instagram that it is indeed a full replacement. He sends his best to Elfman and the team.

Ahmad

2017-06-15 03:36:20

Tom/Junkie XL was kicked out of the whole project! This is ridiculous. Check Tom's post about it: twitter.com/Junkie _XL/status/875159566689775616

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2017-06-15 03:42:53

Wonder if his sketchbook will be released.... assuming he wrote one already

Bioscope

2017-06-15 05:40:28

Sounds like a kneejerk reaction to Hans' verbal retirement from scoring superhero movies.

JBSO99

2017-06-15 08:28:27

For me that's not very good news. Danny Elfman surely can create music for superhero films (Spider Man, Batman...) but the sound the DCUniverse has right now, for me it's perfect. This is probably because of Whedon replacing Snyder in the directing chair. If it was a collaboration it would be a lot better. I just hope he keeps the already established themes, because that's one of the main differences between Marvel & DC, their musical continuity. Let's wait and see what happens

Waymann

2017-06-15 13:07:13

Haha does this mean that there will be no topic on this site about the justice league score where everyone will complain about how bad and unoriginal the score is.

Scorefan

2017-06-15 19:43:59

@Hybrid, Tom has recorded the music or just wrote the music? Just to know if would be a rejected score in the future? Thanks

Hybrid Soldier

2017-06-15 19:51:26

I don't know, I'm disappointed and at this point I don't care about this project anymore.

As Superman said, "The Bat is dead. Bury it"

Vivien

2017-06-16 20:38:20

In a statement to THR, Holkenborg said, “As my mentor Hans Zimmer told me — you haven’t made it in Hollywood as a composer until you get replaced on a project. So I guess [I] finally graduated this week.

Ds

2017-06-16 20:46:45

Really wondering what Zack Snyder is thinking right now. Such a tragic situation, he leaves the project to care after his family, only to see his "partners" start destroying his movie piece by piece. Such a shame, I was already very sad for Zack, but now even more.

Ahmad

2017-06-16 22:38:56

I personally think JXL was perfect for it. If you look at what he's done, you'll see an incredibly diverse body of work. He's done big and epic to small and intimate. Some have the idea that he's not as talented as Zimmer for example and I totally disagree. Composers usually get replaced when their music doesn't seem to fit with the picture, but I'm sure he did some suites and played them to Zack. If he didn't like what he heard he would've replaced him or got someone in to collaborate. But they seem to want to go in a totally different direction with the music. If this ends up having a pure orchestral mish-mash of a score, I'm gonna be so disappointed. The thing about JXL is not only he writes great melodies but does what Zimmer does as well; create a sonic world for each movie he works on.

Edmund Meinerts

2017-06-18 14:21:14

"Some have the idea that he's not as talented as Zimmer for example and I totally disagree."

You owe me a new keyboard.

Ahmad

2017-06-18 15:02:58

LOL why? Because I think Tom is a talented guy? I generally don't like to compare and yes it's not even valid to compare them. But a lot of people underestimate JXL. Hans has been working in the industry way longer than Tom, but Tom has shown so much potential. His sound is similar to Hans yet different enough.

meta

2017-06-18 16:02:54

I honestly cant say if Junkie XL is a perfect for for this series, but I can say that practically anyone from Zimmer's Remote Control will suffice for this simply because that's been the standard fare for these DC movies ever since Batman Begins...

I consider Elfman the "Old Guard" who pretty much made the DC universe sound back in the late 80s and 90s (Yeah OK Batman and Flash, but Shirley Walker held the cartoons at a similar standard)

My point is I don't think Elfman is a good fit, simply because having him score the DCEU going forward serves as a clash of styles. It creates a polarizing effect on me, since Zimmer and Co. created the new sound for this latest incarnation of these characters. Now we're going back to the Elfman sound - and I personally don't care to go back to that sound, as much as I loved Elfman over the last 30 years.

And I seriously doubt Elfman will bend his way to match that of Remote Control, so that's not gonna happen.

Hybrid Soldier

2017-06-18 16:07:45

The irony is Elfman scoring it will probably mean a lot of RCP help like always with him in the past 10 years.

Get ready for people like TJ Lindgren, Paul Mounsey or David Buckley to jump in & help him !

mpolonest123

2017-06-18 16:12:21

Everyone seems to forget that Danny Elfman isn't the one who decides what JL sounds like. That lies with Joss and more so, the producers.

I do have faith that Warner Bros. will at least want to keep elements of the established sound, and with the popularity of Wonder Woman (and to a lesser extent MoS) I don't think they will completely ignore that.

Then again Joss might have a different perspective, which is something I'm afraid of. But I'll still give Elfman the benefit of the doubt. And if the movie is going to go for a "hard rock" soundtrack, I think he could deliver.

James

2017-06-18 16:32:25

XL is a talented guy. The problem is that DC can not be at the mercy of RCP in the next few films. "Zimmer does not want to work with us anymore, what are we going to do now?" Hire all the composers of the company. No! They need a strong one, which is easily recognized by the public. Danny Elfman is a big name in the industry as well as Zimmer and was the one who helped build the sound of all the movies and cartoons of DC comics in the 90's. He will respect some themes . Is obvious. Another thing. If XL made the soundtrack many would throw stones at the result. Which we all already know would be a mix between 300, Mad Max and regular BvS music.The fact is that Elfman is a safer name than XL.

Hybrid Soldier

2017-06-18 17:14:59

Such reasoning is wrong. I think it's just Whedon's doing, also using the fact that HZ is far away. If Hans was in RCP these days, I bet this would have never happened, or not like that.

James

2017-06-18 17:37:11

Ok, but the DC does not need to be stuck to HZ. He has already said he does not want to continue with superhero movies.

mpolonest123

2017-06-18 18:54:20

@James

True, not every DC score needs to sound like HZ, but there needs to be at least some continuity between films. Look at Marvel. Almost none of those score have anything in common outside of an occasional reference or two. When both Iron Man and Captain America have 3 separate themes each, there is obviously something wrong.

Ahmad

2017-06-19 00:12:43

@James I agree with @mpolonest123 Not every DC movie has to sound similar to HZ/RCP, but Justice League is a continuation of MoS & BvS. I think the score should continue in the same direction and build on what has been done on those two movies. If the change in sound is drastic, it will feel very strange. And if they don't want a totally different sound, why replace JXL? It doesn't make sense.

Edmund Meinerts

2017-06-19 14:29:47

I have no problem with you liking JXL but *as talented* as Zimmer? Please.

My heart definitely goes out to Zack Snyder, I hope his family will pull through. Regardless of opinion, I think he is an enormously talented director who never got quite as much credit as he deserved.

Now that Joss Whedon is taking over the finishing touches on Justice League I wonder how this will affect the sound of JXL's music.

Zimmer recently admitted that the reason he had a hard time with "Batman Take 2" was that Affleck's performance/character didn't resonate with him the way Christian Bale's did. I'm kind of surprised he actually said that out loud! I thought his Ben Affleck theme fit really well, though, all things considered.

Were there more suites written for this outside of the "Batman" suite? It's strange to me that Zimmer, who is normally pretty suite heavy when it Ickes to blockbusters, would only write one for this. Especially when MOS had about five...

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Edmund Meinerts

2017-02-14 01:39:58

Remember that by all accounts, this wasn't really a project that Hans was super super invested in. He had stated his lack of interest in superheroes (and especially Batman whom he had already covered) in interviews just previously. This is speculative, but my theory is that he probably originally wanted to leave more of this score in Junkie XL's hands but eventually got convinced to take the lead role by Snyder, producers, Junkie was struggling or whatever the reasons were. That might explain that Hans had neither the time nor the inclination to provide his customary multiple suites.

Mike

2017-02-14 03:08:42

Well, Hans basically said there are more suites. He said "we begin with these big, long pieces" in reference to extra music Snyder could pull from for the extended release of the film.

As for Hans' role...I really get the sense from things he's said that he wanted to give this second take on Batman a shot, which is why his original plan didn't pan out. Yes, it sounds like he's tired with the genre now, and is more than ready to be done with Batman, but it doesn't sound to me like he did things too begrudgingly here. He seems to have really liked the movie from interviews, and Hybrid has said he liked it, too.

so junkie xl only did 12 cues if i counted correctly ... huh. lol. SM and AK have more credits than him.

Hybrid Soldier

2016-08-07 19:49:07

Even less than that. On the cue Dreams he's credited technically for 1% of the track, where a sample of his World Engine sound from MOS is used... lol

Mike

2016-08-07 22:31:29

Heh, maybe we should be glad Zimmer handled the Batman theme... His "BAHM....BAHM BAHM BAHM BAHHHHHHHM" may sound a bit dated, but if Junkie XL's idea would have been some screechy thing, I think we lucked out.

Everan

2016-08-08 01:00:35

Hybrid, don't know if you can answer or even know about but, the track Dawn of Justice here, what track is that in the film?

mpolonest123

2016-08-08 01:26:23

And for that matter: Quaker, Steak, and Lube/Ow My Balls 0.0

josimar

2016-08-08 04:54:47

It was actually a surprise for me that Zimmer did most of the Batman theme, it always sounded to me like a JXL-one.

Hybrid Soldier

2016-08-08 08:25:23

I don't know about Dawn of Justice...

And HZ didn't do "most" of the Batman theme... He did all of the Batman theme lol...

Everan

2016-08-08 15:43:16

Huh, interesting. I'm gonna say it's the part of Men Are Still Good before the end credits. Only place I can place it with that title

Anonymous

2016-08-08 17:48:52

No, Men Are Still Good is.... Men Are Still Good. :P I have to say, the Batman theme does sound quite Zimmerish to me, EXCEPT the loud self-important choir stuff at the end. I never thought Zimmer would write stuff like that for Batman.

Here's a question: are there any other examples of a composer doing two different versions of the same character?

Edmund Meinerts

2016-08-08 20:37:36

Off the top of my head...David Arnold wrote scores for both the Daniel Craig and Pierce Brosnan Bonds; ditto John Barry with Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Dalton. Oh, and Alan Menken is writing music for the upcoming Beauty and the Beast "remake" (which looks more like a shot-for-shot recreation of the original Disney animateed movie in live-action (and craptons of CGI), but whatever).

Mpolonest123

2016-08-08 21:09:09

Could be wrong but I think the track Dawn of Justice might be the trailer music demo Hans did for the comic-con trailer. Otherwise I really can't place it with any scene...

Kendra

2016-08-11 01:38:04

These are some of the unreleased cues/music? Part of the complete score?

Rigby

2016-08-12 04:15:35

Hybrid, out of curiosity, do you ever get a chance to listen to these recording sessions?

You obviously have some connections to Zimmer and his crew, so I'm wondering if you maybe have access to some of this stuff?

GR7

2016-08-12 11:18:00

Thanks as always for the inside news ;)Im surprised that JXL does not appear that much on these credits given he is credited co-composer.

Hybrid Soldier

2016-08-16 18:30:01

Little correction from ASCAP update, I forgot a cue :

YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE HZ SM

And actually Problems Up Here was a mistake, there's no cue in the cuesheet called like that... :P

nvictor

2016-08-17 14:31:38

okay, based on all the insider info provided by Hybrid, i am seriously thinking we were all too harsh on JXL. i didn't even know his work well. just read what others were saying.

i am happy to know he did the work with HZ on Black and Blue and not on Do You Bleed.

Anonymous

2016-08-17 15:12:07

Do we have absolute confirmation that Junkie XL didn't handle the dramatic choir arrangement at the end of the Batman suite? 2 reasons for asking: 1. that doesn't strike me as something Zimmer would do himself for a character like this; 2. Junkie XL is credited on Do You Bleed, Their War Here, and Men Are Still Good, and conveniently enough, the loud dramatic choir stuff shows up in all of those.

nvictor

2016-08-18 19:52:41

am i reading something wrong? Do you Bleed is HZ and SM.

i personally think the choir thing has a HZ touch. ever since Lion King, i can name many titles with choirs. now i haven't heard it be so dramatic, except for Chappie. Chappie is pretty close.

let's say both JXL and HZ and SM and AK did it : ) they all deserve credit.

Anonymous

2016-08-18 20:05:53

Meant the album Do You Bleed... which is "Chase - HZ, JXL, AK"

HEAVEN

2016-08-23 22:32:22

Hi Hybrid, I recall the complete MOS score streaming on this site at some point. What was the nature of that release? Was is a leak or did you secure some official permission for that?

Jasonflz

2016-12-27 04:26:25

Question: would it be possible to listen to these unreleased tracks privately through ASCAP or BMI?

I know you need a license to obtain and publicly play music but where would private listening stand with that? Forgive me for not knowing how it works, I just wanted some clarification

Instead of asking when the complete score might be leaked, I'm going to ask, why Hans, won't release the complete score himself. So why doesn't he release the complete score after the film's dvd release? I know he can't release it because of the studio, and he can't officially release it even afterwards, but why? It's his music.

I love Hans Zimmer, but there are only a two reasons why he won't release the score. Either he can't because of the studio owns the rights (which is bullshit), and he won't release because he feels the need not to. Which is also bullshit. If he is aloud to release it, but for some odd reason he won't and someone has to leak, I don't understand. I will happily pay 100 dollars for a complete score. Even 200. I mean c'mon, it's Hans Zimmer. I'm sorry for the rant, I just don't understand either why he won't release his complete scores, or why the studios won;t let him because of money.

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Bro

2016-10-05 23:29:38

It's all legal mumbo-jumbo.

The scores do eventually leak, which is better than nothing.

One day he might push WB or Columbia to do a big release of something like the Batman trilogy, the POTC trilogy, or the Dan Brown trilogy (TDVC, A&D, Inferno)

Who knows.

Edmund Meinerts

2016-10-05 23:55:35

It's not bullshit. Composing for film is work-for-hire; they hire you to provide a product, you do, and that product is then theirs to do whatever the hell they want with. The composer no longer has a say, legally speaking. Maybe they get royalties, maybe not. So no, it's not Zimmer's call to release or not release the complete score (assuming that he would do it, which to be honest doesn't seem like him anyway). It's the studio's - and the market just isn't really big enough for that sort of thing to be profitable, I bet.

I'm hoping that one day complete score releases become the norm from the beginning, rather than collecting dust for a decade or two before some specialty label like La-La Land rediscovers it. Or, better yet, a double release: a physical album that's been edited for good listening, and a complete score, perhaps released only digitally if costs make that necessary. A few years ago the Oblivion score did that exact thing really well, for example, and I'm disappointed that we haven't seen more of it. But the reality is that most people probably prefer a nicely edited single-disk album to a lengthy complete score where the highlights are a lot further apart.

mpolonest123

2016-10-06 00:26:43

And look, at the end of the day Zimmer has much bigger priorities than leaking out scores. With all the projects he continually is working on, I highly doubt he spends much time thinking about his past scores. Finish one and move on.....

It is great when composers do put out unreleased music on their sites (Zanelli, Balfe, Beltrami), but the reality is that Zimmer is far too busy to be thinking of things like this.

If anyone is to blame, it's the labels that put out all of these redundant "extended editions" of scores like TDKR or BvS. That's why albums like Sherlock Holmes and KFP2 have never bothered me; they may not be complete but they sure as hell are great presentations of the music within the film; all of the highlights covered.

WB

2016-10-06 03:53:26

Jack, HZ doesn't own the score once he writes it and gets paid for it. The studio owns everything. If they hire Edmund to write the script, it's now theirs and no longer his. Yes, he wrote it - but he doesn't own the right to it.

Same thing with the score. HZ writes it, but he doesn't own it. It's not his anymore, it's the studios'. They own EVERYTHING. The sets, the costumes, the props, the script, the score - all of it.

rockhound

2016-10-06 08:32:50

howard shore, mark isham and klaus badelt are able to release some of their scores over their own label, even complete ones. why is this possible?

Edmund Meinerts

2016-10-06 15:30:31

Because those composers probably make a point of it to retain release rights to the music in their contracts. Also, Isham, Badelt and everything Shore writes that isn't based on Tolkien tends to be for much, much smaller-scale movies than what Zimmer works on, so maybe they're a bit more lenient than the big big studios.

rockhound

2016-10-06 17:17:15

you can listen on badelts website to Pirates 1, The Time Machine, 16 Blocks, TMNT etc. all kind of big studio movies and all of them complete or expanded. the point is, it is possible. at least in some cases. but the first thing you always have to do is ....try it.

Edmund Meinerts

2016-10-06 19:14:06

He has all those up?? I didn't actually know that. I thought it was just all those random French movies he used to do (and these days he doesn't even do those :/ ). Might have to go check that out, thanks.

rockhound

2016-10-06 23:12:45

very welcome. klaus has alot of good stuff uploaded. also his smaller stuff and dtv films.

Cyberpunk88

2016-10-07 00:00:49

Also, with the popularity of the isolated scores/5.1 bonus tracks on dvd's/blu-ray's like with Inception, Lotr, Oblivion etc. Why won't they at least continue this trend and release the most popular tracks or an isolated score as extra's with the dvd's/blu-ray's.. Hans always talks about the surround experience in his studio and how he wants people to experience the same at their home (the reason he releases those apps with dts headphone-x, which is only stereo-surround) yet he can't get them to release the real surround tracks on at least 1 format.

WB

2016-10-07 01:25:55

It's all about the money. We only get certain isolated scores for certain films because not every studio wants to do it. Like I said, they own the music. It's theirs. They keep it locked up tight and wait until years down the line so they can release via La-La Land or Intrada. I guess we got lucky Universal was kind enough to give us Oblivion.

As far as Hans releasing the music in 5.1 via the apps, I think he does it for 2 reasons:

1.) To stay up to date with today's technology. Everything is done digitally now and he's hip by being up to date, releasing music via an app.

2.) Because he knows the studio won't do an isolated score (there has NEVER been an HZ iso score as far as I know), so he at least releases it in 5.1 to somewhat please the fans.

Tom

2016-10-07 03:33:50

Any news on Balfe's new score being released for War On Evertone ?heard some bits on his Twitter ????

Hybrid Soldier

2016-10-07 09:12:51

It won't have an OST release. Best thing will be Lorne putting cues on his site or Youtube I think...

Jack

2016-10-07 22:44:47

Thank for the feedback. Sucks that Zimmer owns none of his own work. I just think the studio should release complete scores. But they're all about the money. Igues it's just how it works nowadays

WB

2016-10-07 22:56:40

Remember, it's not just HZ - it's every composer. They don't own the music they write, the screenwriters don't own the scripts they write.

I've got my hopes up that Zimmer will release the complete score at some point, but the overwhelming question for everyone is, "When?" It took two years for him to officially release the complete score for Man of Steel, and for many people that shows we'll have to wait for some time until BvS's complete score is released.

Look at it like this - Zimmer released the complete score for The Dark Knight Rises towards the end of 2012, within several months of the film's release in July. I don't know why the score was released so soon - perhaps it was due to popular demand, or maybe Zimmer had more time to organize and release it, which could be why the MoS complete score took so long to come out.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, feel free to share them. This has been on my mind lately and I've had my fingers crossed for the complete score to be released in the near future.

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2016-09-25 17:28:08

Hz doesn't release any complete scores.

Hybrid Soldier

2016-09-25 17:44:19

Hans didn't release any complete score (beside The Lion King, took him 20 years lol).

And if you ask me, maybe he will get to this in the future, but not anytime soon...

Anonymous

2016-09-25 18:22:16

@LS100 Studios,

You're an idiot. HZ didn't release the complete scores. Certain people go have contacts within the industry sell them to people online. It's called the black market.

It has nothing to do with the age or when a film is released. TDKR was leaked in October of 2012, but it had been passed around long before then. Inside people had it. October is just when someone decided to leak it to the public. The same goes with MOS.

Cameron

2016-09-26 04:15:10

That down-talking wasn't necessary. Not everyone knows those facts you stated. So leave and come back when you learn some manners.

Anonymous

2016-09-26 04:49:17

Welcome to the internet Cameron

Cameron

2016-09-26 05:19:09

Yeah, I know. But I gotta try.

LS100 Studios

2016-09-30 00:06:49

I didn't appreciate the down-talking either. Obviously there's people here like you who know much more about this than I do, which is great, but understand that there's people like me who don't know much about how the music gets out.

Anyhow, thanks for filling me in on this. Is there anyone hanging around this website that has ties with Zimmer or his crew?