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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I disagree with you guys about the bench. IF IU is going to play the pace and style they play then the bench is needed. Either the depth isn't there, or it hasn't been propery utilized and/or developed to play this style and not have it be an Achilles heel. I'm wondering if Creek's extended minutes is Crean acknowledging this (albeit a little late in the season)?

Originally this season I thought IU just had problems running their half court offense... but it's gotten clearer to me the problem is they are wearing down playing at the pace they want to play at and if the opponent is good enough to exert some physicality and hang within shooting distance then IU will be vulnerable as the game wears on. Their defense starts looking sieve-like (defensive breakdowns and the proverbial "ole'"defense (trying to) protect the rim. They are IMHO winded mentally and physically. They lose their legs and that is why the offense bogs down. Suddenly IU is a step slow, shots fall a notch short, and the other team seizes momentum. Then the other team can really dig in and keep punching IU in the gut while they are on the ropes.

Stay solid, weather the storm, play smart and within yourself, don't rush, stay physical and mentally engaged regardless of the score and the game WILL come to you.... That's what I'd tell a team playing IU.

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

That was a bad loss, but just to get my blood pressure up I just re-watched the video of Ted Velentine on Sr. Night '98.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Michigan isn't physical. They live off of stepback threes and other jump shots. We can take care of them and IMO they are the easiest matchup among OSU, MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and UM.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Cutting down the nets, after a loss, is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

Even more so than Sweet 16 rings.

I watched senior night festivities on the BTN until I thought was the end, after the trophy, after the hats, which was bad enough. They went back to the BTN studios and I figured it was done and so I went to bed. Now I hear that they even cut down the nets!!!??? Yuck.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I worry about the Hack-a-Hoosier strategy (when the fouls are never called). We do not play through contact well. Kudos to OSU for taking advantage of it. Hopefully tournament teams will be ill-equipped to do the same, or maybe non-Big 10 refs will not let so many things slide by without a whistle.

I hate to even talk about the officiating since we in no way deserved to win, but what is up with refusing to call fouls on bumps, whacks, and even bear hugs to the ball-handler late in the game when we were trying to foul? I don't recall ever seeing anything like that.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I worry about the Hack-a-Hoosier strategy (when the fouls are never called). We do not play through contact well. Kudos to OSU for taking advantage of it. Hopefully tournament teams will be ill-equipped to do the same, or maybe non-Big 10 refs will not let so many things slide by without a whistle.

I hate to even talk about the officiating since we in no way deserved to win, but what is up with refusing to call fouls on bumps, whacks, and even bear hugs to the ball-handler late in the game when we were trying to foul? I don't recall ever seeing anything like that.

My takeaway from that was anything we might have done to get a steal - hack, pull, grab, etc. would have been allowed. But we were trying to commit fouls to stop the clock instead of trying to steal the ball whether we foul or not.

I've never seen that before, but when it happens I guess we need to adjust the current intrepration of the rules and just focus on tearing the ball away since there won't be a whistle.

I know most of us won't call that "basketball". But for at least one night, that's the way the game of basketball was being governed.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I've been angry after losses, and sad after losses, but I have never been so damn disappointed. This is not how it should have been tonight. Have some damned heart.

Exactly. Nothing from the underclassmen tonight at all for their seniors. Remy and Will were complete no shows. Oladipo decided he wanted to remind us what he looked like freshman year, which was a complete idiot who made dumb turonvers and even dumber fouls. Zeller had 1 bloody rebound. Way to let your seniors down "stars".

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

I think Mark Titus made a very good point in questioning Crean's tendency to go so deep in the bench. At this point, there should be an eight man rotation but he still goes with ten guys. I realize he had to in the first half with Vic and Cody in foul trouble but why was Creek playing with six minutes to go in the game?

What bench? I mean seriously, what bench? Sheehey has been complete crap aside from about two games in the B1G. Even going 8 deep seems to be a disaster at this point. At this point, I have more faith in Hollowell than Sheehey. Jeremy may not have his offensive game tightened up, but at least he crashes the board and plays hard every game.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Over the course of the season, I can't decide if I've been more impressed with Oladipo or disappointed with Sheehey.

That is where I was last night. They keep tossing him in with Hulls and Vic as the other gym rat on this team, but how am I supposed to believe that? His free throws are a disaster, his only "go to" offensive move is either relying on a great pass from a teammate off of a cut or hoping his dumbass pull up mid range jumper is falling. If he really is a gym rat then he must just be really naturally bad at basketball

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

If they somehow win at Michigan, do they still have a chance at going through Lucas Oil?

They still have a chance right now. I don't believe at the moment the committe would actually move KU ahead of us yet. We still don't have a "bad loss", and they have TCU. We can still definitely go through Lucas Oil, even probably with a loss at UM, if we make the B1G final or win it, we probably are still 1 in the midwest. So we have some leeway, but what annoys me is we could have locked up that 1 seed at home last night and we could have locked up the outright title, don't really know how much more this team needs to play for to show up big to a game like that. Honeslty one of the most baffling efforts I have ever seen.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Cutting down the nets, after a loss, is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

Even more so than Sweet 16 rings.

Tell me about it. I was there and the Senior Night was so surreal. Hull, Watford, and Elston all gave heart felt speeches. Honestly Hulls really is basketball incarnate in Indiana, his raw emotion during his speech was just something else. I was also surprised to see Watford tear up, didn't really think that was his style, but here we had our first sneior class in a long time that honestly got to watch grow and will really miss this year (Sorry VJIII and Pritch and Roth, but Hulls and Wat out do your group), and it was like I want to be all in for these senior night festivities but still everyone was in a daze from that loss. So weird. And then Crean comes out to cut down the nets, and they are wearing the hats and parading around the trophy, and I'm starting to worry that these guys are just already content with this season.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2012-2013

Tell me about it. I was there and the Senior Night was so surreal. Hull, Watford, and Elston all gave heart felt speeches. Honestly Hulls really is basketball incarnate in Indiana, his raw emotion during his speech was just something else. I was also surprised to see Watford tear up, didn't really think that was his style, but here we had our first sneior class in a long time that honestly got to watch grow and will really miss this year (Sorry VJIII and Pritch and Roth, but Hulls and Wat out do your group), and it was like I want to be all in for these senior night festivities but still everyone was in a daze from that loss. So weird. And then Crean comes out to cut down the nets, and they are wearing the hats and parading around the trophy, and I'm starting to worry that these guys are just already content with this season.

Dakich is saying that Crean is "very smart for giving them practice for cutting the nets down in Atlanta."