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Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

Most ridiculous thing I have heard, you know this as a award that takes into account the whole year right, and looks at stats and what a guy has done with what is around him, the comparison between Wilson and Luck is nonexistent over this whole season.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

Most ridiculous thing I have heard, you know this as a award that takes into account the whole year right, and looks at stats and what a guy has done with what is around him, the comparison between Wilson and Luck is nonexistent over this whole season.

Oh he's just being objective. Because everyone knows there aren't any unbiased Colts fans...

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

There are many, but comparing what Wilson did throughout the year to what Luck has done is nonsense, if he would have said RGIII then that would make sense.

you clearly haven't watched enough Wilson dude has been a stud after about week 3. He started rough but he has been a stud like I said toss up between him and RG. Saying it's nonsense is lol you need to watch the kid play if you really believe that.

you clearly haven't watched enough Wilson dude has been a stud after about week 3. He started rough but he has been a stud like I said toss up between him and RG. Saying it's nonsense is lol you need to watch the kid play if you really believe that.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

you clearly haven't watched enough Wilson dude has been a stud after about week 3. He started rough but he has been a stud like I said toss up between him and RG. Saying it's nonsense is lol you need to watch the kid play if you really believe that.

I have, and what he has done throughout the season in no where close to what Luck has done, he did start out rough and got better, they really did not ask him to do much near the beginning as well.

9 of his games he has thrown for less than 100 yds, he has not had a 100 yd game, his defense has put him in wonderful positions so he does not have to be as aggressive as Luck has, the win vs the Packers was on a obvious bad call,

Luck 4 100 yd games, 5 300 yd games, 1 400 yd game, has set all kinds of records working with a lot less than Wilson. I think many people fail to realize how much a good and consistent ground game really affects a QB, it puts more in the box, as well as allowing for shorter 3rd down plays, as well as allowing play action to open.

Luck may have the picks and the completion %, but he has completed almost as many passes as Wilson has attempted. People also point at the comeback wins, and that is cool and all but Luck was not the only one that got them into those situations, but he played a huge part in getting them out of most, and that is what should be taken away from that.

So yes to me comparing what Wilson has done with respect to Luck it is nonsense.

I would like to add that I am not biased in anyway and have vouched for both Wilson and Griffin at certain times, as having some qualities better than Luck currently, but as far as what has been done this year overall...

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

I have, and what he has done throughout the season in no where close to what Luck has done, he did start out rough and got better, they really did not ask him to do much near the beginning as well.

9 of his games he has thrown for less than 100 yds, he has not had a 100 yd game, his defense has put him in wonderful positions so he does not have to be as aggressive as Luck has, the win vs the Packers was on a obvious bad call,

Luck 4 100 yd games, 5 300 yd games, 1 400 yd game, has set all kinds of records working with a lot less than Wilson. I think many people fail to realize how much a good and consistent ground game really affects a QB, it puts more in the box, as well as allowing for shorter 3rd down plays, as well as allowing play action to open.

Luck may have the picks and the completion %, but he has completed almost as many passes as Wilson has attempted. People also point at the comeback wins, and that is cool and all but Luck was not the only one that got them into those situations, but he played a huge part in getting them out of most, and that is what should be taken away from that.

So yes to me comparing what Wilson has done with respect to Luck it is nonsense.

I would like to add that I am not biased in anyway and have vouched for both Wilson and Griffin at certain times, as having some qualities better than Luck currently, but as far as what has been done this year overall...

NO Way

I just dont agree with your logic at all. Im not gonna hold a players team against him that isn't fair to the player. That would be like saying Larry Bird was only a good player because he played with so many HOFers Bird couldnt control who he played with same with Russ. So should LBJ not be able to win MVP because he plays with Wade? lol. Should Miguel Cabera not win MVP because he had Prince Fielder hitting behind him? I mean that logic is so flawed IMO.

Russel has thown 26TDs (rookie record) and 100 QB rating I mean I dont know what else to say he does what his team needs to win. Again I hate debating the running game when it comes to Russ and RG the both help their teams with their legs which helps open up the running game. But no debate Lynch is a beast.

If you keep making the argument Luck did more with less who is to say you put Russ on the Colts and playing from behind he wouldn't have just as many yards as Luck. That is why the yards thing for me is flawed. I look at the body of work and Russ has been the best offensive rookie this year IMO and saying it's a nonsense argument to make is well... nonsense.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

I just dont agree with your logic at all. Im not gonna hold a players team against him that isn't fair to the player. That would be like saying Larry Bird was only a good player because he played with so many HOFers Bird couldnt control who he played with same with Russ. So should LBJ not be able to win MVP because he plays with Wade? lol. Should Miguel Cabera not win MVP because he had Prince Fielder hitting behind him? I mean that logic is so flawed IMO.

Russel has thown 26TDs (rookie record) and 100 QB rating I mean I dont know what else to say he does what his team needs to win. Again I hate debating the running game when it comes to Russ and RG the both help their teams with their legs which helps open up the running game. But no debate Lynch is a beast.

If you keep making the argument Luck did more with less who is to say you put Russ on the Colts and playing from behind he wouldn't have just as many yards as Luck. That is why the yards thing for me is flawed. I look at the body of work and Russ has been the best offensive rookie this year IMO and saying it's a nonsense argument to make is well... nonsense.

That's fine, and voice your opinion all you want, just be aware that most people on a Colts forum are going to disagree with you. Like me. Wilson didn't have near the mountain to climb that Luck did, had way more team around him, and still didn't produce any more. And take away at least one of Wilson's TDs to the Fail Mary.

He had a tremendous year, even more so than Bob Griffin. Just wasn't as good as Luck's.

There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

And also take away one of his wins, making the team 10-6 and therefore no playoffs. The Bears would have made the playoffs had Seattle finished 10-6.

You don't always need to lead your team to the playoffs to be in the RoY discussion but this isn't an ordinary year with Griffin and Luck. If that call was made correctly and Seattle missed the playoffs, no way would Russell Wilson even be mentioned for RoY.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

And also take away one of his wins, making the team 10-6 and therefore no playoffs. The Bears would have made the playoffs had Seattle finished 10-6.

You don't always need to lead your team to the playoffs to be in the RoY discussion but this isn't an ordinary year with Griffin and Luck. If that call was made correctly and Seattle missed the playoffs, no way would Russell Wilson even be mentioned for RoY.

Seattle would have made the playoffs at 10-6. They beat both Minnesota and Chicago (technically all they would have needed was Minnesota since divisional ties are broken first), so they would have won the tiebreaker and still been the #5 seed.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

That's fine, and voice your opinion all you want, just be aware that most people on a Colts forum are going to disagree with you. Like me. Wilson didn't have near the mountain to climb that Luck did, had way more team around him, and still didn't produce any more. And take away at least one of Wilson's TDs to the Fail Mary.

He had a tremendous year, even more so than Bob Griffin. Just wasn't as good as Luck's.

Pacers Forum, and to me it does not matter where it is like I said, not biased, I just go off what I see in performances.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

I just dont agree with your logic at all. Im not gonna hold a players team against him that isn't fair to the player. That would be like saying Larry Bird was only a good player because he played with so many HOFers Bird couldnt control who he played with same with Russ. So should LBJ not be able to win MVP because he plays with Wade? lol. Should Miguel Cabera not win MVP because he had Prince Fielder hitting behind him? I mean that logic is so flawed IMO.

Russel has thown 26TDs (rookie record) and 100 QB rating I mean I dont know what else to say he does what his team needs to win. Again I hate debating the running game when it comes to Russ and RG the both help their teams with their legs which helps open up the running game. But no debate Lynch is a beast.

If you keep making the argument Luck did more with less who is to say you put Russ on the Colts and playing from behind he wouldn't have just as many yards as Luck. That is why the yards thing for me is flawed. I look at the body of work and Russ has been the best offensive rookie this year IMO and saying it's a nonsense argument to make is well... nonsense.

This is my take on that, It does matter who you are surrounded by and what you do with that team, Bird, LBJ whoever, the thing to remember though is that those guys just put up ridiculous stats as well to separate themselves, just because you have good players around you you still have to show up very big and that is what they did.

Running from the case about running backs it is easier to see why you would go Wilson over Luck, but if you really want to look at a situation you have to take that into consideration, Luck also runs the ball and helps his team, but having a dominate running game like #1 in the NFL really really really helps and that is just a fact.

And if you put Wilson on the Colts and he did what Luck did then yeah he would have deserved the ROY but he didn't.

But I will use my logic and you can use yours, I try to look at the whole picture, team, situation, responsibility, results, everything if I don't I feel like I am doing a disservice to the process.

As far as who will be the best at the end of the day, I really don't know that is up for debate for me.

Re: Vote for Luck - Rookie of the Year

Why do you laugh? you can look at my previous post criticizing Luck, it is possible to be a fan and also analyze these player games.

No offense intended, I just think that this site (like many others) of sports teams tends to bring people together who have strong, loyal ties to their respective organizations. I have seen fans come in and not show much bias, but that is few and far between.

Frankly I have just happy when people make educated posts and dont resort to name calling and trolling in the hopes of getting attention. That and those who respect the opinions of everyone, regardless of age, sex, or team affiliation