Yeah, as a rule don't touch other people's kid in any fashion and never leave a mark even if the kid is yours. I have been in the shoes of that 11 yro boy. I am sure he already felt bad about the incident, so next time skip the beating.

Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.

Man On Pink Corner:Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.

AverageAmericanGuy:Really, at 11 years old, it's too late for parenting to have a major effect on the kid. The kid's major behavior patterns are shaped by his peers once he's entered school. Parental involvement must have happened long before now.

There is an interesting connection between the shift away from leaded fuel and decreased crime, but that is beside the point. There is 0 indication that a good beating does anything but create a cycle of violence and fear.

I know this is a crazy position to take, but violence is bad. If you dont have good evidence that beating children does anything but harm, seriously stop advocating violence.

rocky_howard:Here come the apologists, but have you noticed that the increase of crime is inversely related to how much we beat our kids?

Kids need a good beating. Not sadistic abuse, of course, but a good smack every once in a while. No emotion or anger behind it, just slap.

As others have pointed out, your feeling that crime is increasing doesn't match reality. But in addition to that, if you were to consider hitting a child a crime (which depends on where you live), your solution would actually increase crime. Be the change.

When I was about 14 I got popped in the face so hard by an old man it made my ears ring.

Thinking back on it now, he nearly knocked me out. We'd made a fort out of stolen milk crates in the alley behind his house and dude was *pissed*. Everybody else ran, I was stupid enough to try to explain to him the alley wasn't his property. You tell him, tiger!

The brat's dad called the cops on the old man. So he must think what the kid did was ok.Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong. So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished. That punishment would have involved a belt. If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window. I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.

dickfreckle:Gotta tell you, in my 38 years of voracious reading this is the first time I've heard "frogmarch."

You don't read good Bushhateporn. Can't tell you how much I jizmed to the mental image of Karl Rove being frogmarched out of the White House for leaking Valerie Plame as CIA to punish her husband for saying the yellowcake in Niger was a lie. Enjoy your sequester, someone has to pay for the borrowing that financed the Iraq.

PaLarkin:The brat's dad called the cops on the old man. So he must think what the kid did was ok.Since the brat's dad thinks it's ok to throw rocks at the windows of other peoples' homes, he shouldn't mind if other people throw rocks at the windows of his home.

Many kids today aren't raised with the understanding they will be punished if they do something wrong. So it should be no surprise there are so many of them getting involved in crimes from vandalism to murder.

If I did something like that and the guy frogmarched me home, my dad would have made sure I was punished. That punishment would have involved a belt. If I had broken a window, my parents would have taken any money I had and put it toward replacing the guy's window. I knew this when I was a kid so that's why I never went around trying to break windows in people's homes.

Since it's the UK, perhaps the dad was scared of being arrested for neglect if he didn't call the cops on the old man. Condoning violence to a child and all.

Okay, the boy was throwing several rocks at the old man's house. I get that the old man was fined for accidentally harming the kid (who totally had it coming), but what about the throwing rocks at the house? Shouldn't someone, either the boy or the boy's father, be fined for that?