21:01:22 <ttx>#startmeeting21:01:23 <Vek>dabo: depends on the level of amusement, but in essence...yes.
21:01:23 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Apr 12 21:01:22 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:01:35 <ttx> Welcome everyone to our weekly OpenStack team meeting...
21:01:42 <ttx> Today's agenda:
21:01:46 <ttx>#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings21:01:58 <ttx>#topic Current release stage: Release21:02:14 <ttx> At the end of the day we are supposed to set RCFreeze and cut a release candidate tarball...
21:02:25 <ttx> See http://wiki.openstack.org/RCFreeze
21:02:40 <ttx> With no more merges allowed, we use the last day before release to test the release candidate for blatant regressions.
21:02:55 <ttx> Let's move directly to the next topic to discuss if a short delay would buy us a better release...
21:03:06 <ttx>#topic Cactus Release Go/no-go21:03:25 <ttx> So there were far too many fixes landing in this post-Gamma timeframe, most of them warranted by their impact...
21:03:41 <ttx> I think we could use one more day of testing and rc-bugfixing.
21:03:50 <soren> Easily.
21:03:56 <ttx> So my proposal would be to delay the release by one day.
21:04:00 <jk0> +1
21:04:10 <ttx> RCFreeze EOD Wed, RC cut Thursday, Release push Friday
21:04:30 <ttx> I think if we delay by more than a day, we'll start introducing large bugfixes again, with their potential for regression. We'll also open Diablo one week later...
21:04:31 <blamar> Would the delay be for fixing regressions only?
21:04:54 <ttx>blamar: the delay would be to fix a list we come up with on the next topic of this meeting.
21:04:57 <kpepple>ttx: do we really want to push a release on Friday ... there will be very little support on IRC during the weekend if we get a show stopper
21:05:03 <vishy> are there any unfixed bugs still remaining?
21:05:16 <ttx>vishy: yes, see next topic
21:05:35 <ttx>kpepple: in fact you cut a release candidate on the Thursday.
21:05:51 <ttx>kpepple: on Friday it's just about pushing that RC through as the gold release
21:06:26 <ttx>kpepple: if the RC is broken, we might need more time to fix and cut a new RC.
21:06:41 <ttx>kpepple: in which case we might delay to next week, but I'd rather not :)
21:07:08 <ttx> I think if we delay by more than a day, we'll start introducing large bugfixes again, with their potential for regression. We'll also open Diablo one week later...
21:07:29 <ttx> jbryce, sparkycollier, spectorclan: I hope that won't screw up any PR plan ?
21:07:31 * jaypipesvotes for one day delay only.21:07:37 <vishy> what are we gaining by a day?
21:07:43 <spectorclan>ttx: we should be fine, imho
21:07:46 <ttx>vishy: a few extra fixes
21:07:51 <kpepple>ttx: we won't really find out if RC is broken until the masses get their hands on it ... but i understand your relunctance
21:08:09 <ttx>vishy: maybe we should discuss the list first
21:08:21 <ttx>vishy: and then revisit if a one-day delay is useful.
21:08:21 <vishy>ttx: ok
21:08:32 <ttx>#topic RC bugs21:08:33 <jbryce>ttx: it won't be a problem if we know ahead of time
21:08:43 <ttx> At this point we have the following RC bugs left:
21:08:49 <ttx>Nova: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/752735 (Volumes aren't zeroed out)
21:08:50 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 752735 in nova "Volumes aren't zeroed out" [High,In progress]
21:09:00 <ttx>Glance: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/758761
21:09:02 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758761 in glance "logging in Swift backend store does not work" [Medium,In progress]
21:09:07 <ttx>Glance: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/756886
21:09:08 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 756886 in glance "is_public must be "True" - mismatch with docs" [Low,In progress]
21:09:11 <sparkycollier>jbryce: agreed, if we know new plan today it's fine
21:09:14 <ttx>Glance: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/758762
21:09:15 * vishygot smoketests passing again so I'm happy21:09:15 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758762 in glance "Need for more user-friendly docs" [Wishlist,In progress]
21:09:19 <ttx> Swift is good to go so far.
21:09:39 <ttx> Those 4 could go in today.
21:09:48 <ttx> But I have other candidates on my watchlist:
21:09:53 <ttx> Bug 759053
21:09:54 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 759053 in nova "Running an instance using an image name returns NotFound" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759053
21:10:06 <ttx>vishy: that's a regression, right ?
21:10:12 <vishy> yes
21:10:34 <vishy> and it will make a lot of our installation instructions not work if we don't fix it
21:10:41 <ttx> ok, so I think it's a good RC candidate ?
21:10:50 <ewindisch> ttx, the volumes being zeroed needs fixing - fyi
21:11:11 * ttxadd 759053 to the list21:11:19 <ttx> Bug 758404
21:11:21 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758404 in nova "euca-attach-volume fails when using RBD driver" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758404
21:11:39 <ttx> If I read this one correctly, RBD volumes are unusable
21:12:31 <ttx> the fix is rather small and only affects RBD, which is broken without...
21:12:37 <ttx> opinions ?
21:12:46 <ttx> should it make it to "the list" ?
21:12:49 <vishy> that one seems low impact i'd put it in
21:13:04 <ttx> agreed
21:13:12 <ttx> Bug 758810
21:13:13 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758810 in nova "VMwareAPIConnection class should inherit ComputeDriver class" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758810
21:13:39 <ttx> I'm a bit unsure of the impact, but I suppose it renders VMWare unusable ?
21:13:55 <vishy> id really like this one to make it as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/has_role_cache/+merge/56449
21:14:00 <salvatore-orland> I also suppose so, thought I haven't had a chance to speak with Steesh
21:14:24 <ttx>vishy: just a sec
21:15:11 <ttx> Looking at the patch, I'd say bug 758810 should be in list
21:15:11 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758810 in nova "VMwareAPIConnection class should inherit ComputeDriver class" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758810
21:15:26 <ttx> any +1 / -1 ?
21:15:32 <jaypipes>ttx: when doing a fix for another bug, I discovered this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/759012. I believe it should also be in the RC for Glance. It's a pain in the butt for users if it isn't...
21:15:33 <salvatore-orland> +1
21:15:34 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 759012 in glance "verbose and debug settings no effect on logging" [Critical,In progress]
21:15:46 <soren>vishy: You want to add a patch that adds a feature, and changes flags? Really? Now?
21:15:46 <ttx>jaypipes: beh
21:15:58 <vishy> +1
21:16:11 <ttx> please only discuss one at a time
21:16:13 <vishy>jaypipes: do we have the max image size bug fixed?
21:16:22 <ttx> I'll come back to vish and Jay's.
21:16:31 <jaypipes> k
21:16:32 <ttx> ok, adding the VMWare one
21:16:38 <vishy>soren: actually I wanted it a couple of weeks ago, but no one was reviewing it :(
21:16:42 <ttx> bug 742256
21:16:44 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 742256 in nova "nova-compute should logout an iSCSI target on migration failure" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742256
21:16:53 <ttx> Not completely convinced by this one
21:17:08 <ttx> since it's an error case, and we are already struggling with normal cases
21:17:10 <soren>vishy: That's a separate (but real!) problem.
21:17:23 <ttx> bug 750544
21:17:24 <sirp_>vishy: max-image-size issue is fixed
21:17:24 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 750544 in nova "Snapshotting VM instance failing for KVM" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750544
21:17:34 <jaypipes>vishy: that image size needs 2 more core reviews.
21:17:35 <soren> "Fix committed"?
21:17:38 <ttx> fix commtted ?
21:17:41 <ttx> wtf
21:18:01 <ttx> ah, EBADSTATUS
21:18:05 <jaypipes> sirp_, vishy: https://code.launchpad.net/~johannes.erdfelt/nova/bug723996/+merge/57367
21:18:12 <ttx> it's proposed for merging
21:18:34 <sirp_>jaypipes: oh i was thinking of the other issue, the 32-bit size column
21:18:45 <sirp_> nm
21:18:50 <johan___> if there's any other feedback for that fix, let me know
21:18:53 <ttx> any opinion on the snapshotting one ? I think this is mostly untested
21:19:15 <vishy> wow I hadn't seen the snapshotting bug
21:19:30 <blamar>ttx: Very much so, I have a branch linked, but not confident in it for something to put in the last day. I'm sad to not include it though.
21:19:30 <soren> I'm not super comfortable with it.
21:19:47 <ttx> I'm ok to set it as a known issue
21:19:50 <ewindisch> is that doing volume snapshots, too?
21:19:53 <soren> Its current breakage is well understood: Attempts just utterly fail.
21:20:05 <vishy>jaypipes: i was referring to the one in glance that put size as 32 bit number
21:20:13 <blamar>soren: Have you tried the patches?
21:20:13 <ttx> ok, -1
21:20:20 <soren> If we fix the call to qemu-img, I don't know if it works, and if not, how it fails. I say leave it.
21:20:41 <vishy>soren: but what is the drawback of fixing that call?
21:20:47 <vishy>soren: it is already failing
21:20:54 <soren>vishy: I don't know.
21:21:00 <soren>vishy: And that is precisely the poiint.
21:21:03 <ttx>vishy: it may work, but you don't document how unsure we are that it does
21:21:14 <jaypipes>vishy: that is in already, yes.
21:21:18 <soren>vishy: Maybe it overwrites other snapshots. Or kills your kitten.
21:21:19 <soren> I don't know.
21:21:29 <soren> Right now, it jsut doesn't work. I know how to explain that to people.
21:21:41 <soren> And people understand that.
21:21:49 <vishy>soren: understood. Just marking off the list of things that we need to fix in our deploy branch :)
21:21:57 <ttx>next: https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/has_role_cache/+merge/56449
21:22:17 <ttx>vishy: I'm not comfortable with this at this point.
21:22:25 <jaypipes> vishy, soren: is 750544 a Glance bug? I can't really tell. Looks like the snapshotting code for libvirt isn't calling glance-upload properly?
21:22:25 <ewindisch> checking now, I'm seeing that we *are* doing snapshots... in this case, I'm going to have to more strongly oppose to the wipe-on-delete patch.
21:22:25 <vishy>ttx: ok
21:22:41 <ttx> bug 759012
21:22:42 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 759012 in glance "verbose and debug settings no effect on logging" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759012
21:22:45 <vishy>jaypipes: no i don't think it is a glance bug
21:23:13 <ttx>jaypipes: I'm ok with it, if you think you can get all of them in in time...
21:23:14 <soren>jaypipes: There might be a glance component to the bug, too, but first of all, the call to qemu-img is being passed as a string with spaces and stuff, and not as an argv.
21:23:25 <jaypipes>ttx: I have the fix for that done.
21:23:42 <soren>jaypipes: ..and that's my problem with it. I don't know if the breakage stops there.
21:23:48 <jaypipes>soren: k
21:23:51 <soren> ...but I think I've made my point by now :)
21:23:57 <jaypipes> heh
21:23:58 <ttx>jaypipes: added
21:24:09 <ttx> any other candidates ?
21:24:11 <jaypipes>ttx: cheers. Jordan will be happy.
21:24:12 <ttx> Current lists:
21:24:19 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/cactus-rc
21:24:24 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/cactus-rc
21:24:30 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.3-rc (empty)
21:24:51 <ttx> hrm
21:24:55 <ttx> I missed the vmware one
21:25:47 <ttx> That's 4 for Nova, 4 for Glance
21:25:52 <ttx> warranting one extra day.
21:26:07 <Vek> *nod*
21:26:14 <jaypipes>ttx: k. so when is the new proposed tarball cut time?
21:26:21 <ttx> We'll need someone to convert the fix for bug 758810 into a branch merge proposal
21:26:22 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 758810 in nova "VMwareAPIConnection class should inherit ComputeDriver class" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758810
21:26:31 <ttx> (patch is attached to the bug)
21:26:52 <ttx> We freeze tomorrow EOD, I cut the tarball early Thursday.
21:27:05 <salvatore-orland> I'll drop an email to Sateesh for the Branch merge proposal. If he can't I'll do it.
21:27:11 <ttx> then unless we discover it's eating your data and sleeps with your wife, it's released on Friday.
21:27:51 <Vek> the hard-drinkin' cactus...
21:28:01 <ttx> Last comments ?
21:28:54 <ttx> and then we open the diablo floodgates on Friday.
21:29:42 <alekibango> we could release like this every week or two :)
21:29:51 <soren> Or every day!
21:29:55 <ttx> jbryce, spectorclan, sparkycollier: so release is early Friday morning
21:30:01 <spectorclan>ttx: cool
21:30:34 <ttx>#topic Open discussion21:31:13 <devcamcar> we need nova-adminclient in the ppas
21:31:15 <vishy> any one else have doc fixes?
21:31:17 <ttx> -core teams: At this point please only set to 'accepted' the merge proposals that are on the RC lists
21:32:13 <vishy>ttx: can we put in doc changes? because if not, I'd like this to go in as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/cloudpipe-docs/+merge/57241
21:32:27 * ttxlooks21:32:33 <jaypipes>ttx: I think doc fixes are fine, no?
21:32:39 <jaypipes> pure doc fixes...
21:32:44 <annegentle> we've done pure rst edits in the past
21:32:51 <annegentle> I think so
21:33:05 <ttx> well, they can regress too, like borking the doc generation and not ending in tarball
21:33:17 <ttx> but we can certainly add them
21:33:44 <annegentle>ttx: true, that doc gen bug is problematic
21:33:57 <ttx>vishy: i'll create a "cloud pipes is heavily underdocumented" bug and rc it, so that it appears on the list
21:34:17 <ttx> (on http://wiki.openstack.org/reviewslist/)
21:34:47 <vishy> cool thanks
21:35:57 <ttx> done
21:36:37 <ttx> Last remark: we'll work on release notes at:
21:36:59 <ttx> http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Cactus
21:37:21 <ttx> That includes a small feature list and known bugs
21:37:30 <ttx> Please feel free to contribute :)
21:37:41 * ttxwill work on that tomorrow.21:37:55 <tr3buchet> is there a way to make sure we don't overwrite other people's changes when working on the wiki?
21:38:12 <ttx>tr3buchet: if there was, wikis wouldn't be so fun.
21:38:21 * annegentlewill also work on release notes tomorrow21:38:24 <tr3buchet> haha, i'm good with that
21:39:07 <ttx> anything else ?
21:40:20 <annegentle>tr3buchet: heh. MoinMoin does warn you when someone else has the page opened for edits. Just edit quickly :)
21:40:30 <ttx> ok then.
21:40:35 <ttx>#endmeeting