Tuesday, August 16, 2016

Docweasel needs to virtue-signal harder. I think there may have been a few Chileans near the Antarctic side of South America who didn't hear him:

That image posted at the top of post isn't what I'd call "Christian"- I'm the last one to be over-sensitive or pulling the race card, but that image is flat out racist.

No one who calls themselves Christian or bemoans the loss of Christian ethics has any business posting something like that, or else they have a thin grasp of exactly what Christianity is in the first place.

I only started reading this site regularly a few months ago when a link from somewhere else brought me here. If this is the tone I don't guess this is the place for me.

Cucks are always liars. In 87 comments, he is, quite literally, the very first one to be oversensitive and to pull out the race card.

Docweasel is a good programmed little cuck who believes "thou shalt not criticize minorities or portray them in any unflattering manner" is the 11th Commandment. And he just knows that the avoidance of being called racist is the true Christian's highest priority. He would call Jesus Christ himself racist for comparing Samaritans to dogs.

This definitely isn't the place for you, Docweasel. The Hell on Earth that is being made is the place for you. You would do well to leave. You and your Churchian kind are not welcome here. Go signal your virtue somewhere else.

As I once wrote on Twitter, I don't hate blacks, I just don't expect them to be white. What I hate is white virtue-signalers. And more from Twitter:

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
It is becoming increasingly obvious that the god now worshipped by Churchians is Equality. To them, Jesus Christ is the way to Equality.

Ming the Merciless ‏@_Emperor_Ming_
It's like the Left subverted the Church and turned it into a vehicle to advance their agenda, or something!

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
If only someone had warned Christians about false teachers infiltrating the Church in order to mislead them!

Consider the following train of logic:

Christians are warned that false teachers would infiltrate the Church.

What many Church leaders are teaching today is observably different from historical Christian teachings and contradicts the Bible itself.

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I don't hate blacks. I just believe I have the same moral right to prefer people like me that they have.

To those who feel I, as a (privileged) "white guy," have to stand there and take whatever vitriol they spew in my direction, I'd like to say...."Keep it up. Your day is coming and I want to have fresh in my mind on whose side you were on."

I got nostalgic when a poster mentioned Jack Chick. It was before political correct invaded mental space. A joke could be a joke. Hyperbole a tool. Exaggerations a bit of fun. Cartoons are cartoons for a reason. British political cartoons have a 200 year plus tract record.

White grand parents doing day care for working mother of mixed race baby is not a caricature - its a statistic. If reality bites then continue being a Social Justice Warrior.

Muhammad was the seventh century Social Justice Warrior. And that war hasn't finished yet. So respect Islam and recognize their allah given right to never vaguely assimilate. The train rider with the made glint in his eye yelling Allah hu Akbar should be highly respected.

"I don't hate blacks. I just believe I have the same moral right to prefer people like me that they have."

Of course you have that moral right. And no one can seriously dispute that. However, pointing out that the image used in the post and commissioned by Faith and Heritage is racism of the worst and most virulent type doesn't strip you of that right. It merely points out that those that commissioned the art and approve of the art are also interested in demeaning other people based on their race; of painting with a brush so broad that it doesn't so much describe or depict but rather attempts to morally defile.

Where we take issue, is, I believe, in confusing race and culture. I have no problem with black folks that dress well (by which I mean like me), and drive well (ditto), respect the law, get married and then have kids, participate in civic institutions (Church, Lions Club or whatever, celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc) and are generally upstanding citizens.

Now. I get the "genes drive culture" argument, but I think it's a weak argument. There are far, far too many examples of individuals adapting a different culture, or even of small groups adapting a different culture, for that argument to be convincing. Caveat; I completely agree that if concentrated groups of one ethnicity are allowed, then they will quickly revert to the mean if they are seeded with non-assimilated individuals (as we witnessed in many inner cities). And I think this happens with whites as well, look at the Balkans, those people would most definitely not fit in in my neighborhood.

Ooh, somebody said "racism"! We're all supposed to run and hide and bow our heads in shame and beg forgiveness.

Meanwhile, in the real world, blacks continue to rape, beat, Rob, and murder whites; Mexicans are still pouring across the southern border to take jobs, absorb welfare, and replace us; and Muslims continue their 1400 year history of trying to destroy Christendom by any means necessary.

An attack upon my culture is an attack upon my people is an attack upon me. Why, alone of all peoples on God's green Earth, should I not respond in kind to defend me and mine?

What I find funniest is that the cuck claims to have read the blog for a few months.

Vox has written WAY more controversial and potentially infuriating things in that time period.

Yet, it's only a re-post of someone else's satirical cartoon that happens to negatively portrays a black character (in addition to its negative portrayals of white characters) that triggers him into rage-quitting.

That's another problem with these cuckservative outrage-mongers. They're not even consistent.

Jack Chick, Elder Statesman of Cartoonography, Defender of the Faith.Donald Trump should make him Secretary of State if Geert Wilders turns it down. At 92 I suspect he climbs stairs better than Hillary.Since when has doctrine been more important than fierce loyalty?

It's not a matter of justifying anything. It's a matter of pointing out the obvious. If the art is meant to demean blacks and hispanics then it failed terribly as it obviously does. I don't think it failed. And #8, I wasn't asking you or anyone else to "care" that the image successfully demeans whole groups of people. I was merely pointing out that it does.

Trevor163 wrote:It's not a matter of justifying anything. It's a matter of pointing out the obvious. If the art is meant to demean blacks and hispanics then it failed terribly as it obviously does. I don't think it failed. And #8, I wasn't asking you or anyone else to "care" that the image successfully demeans whole groups of people. I was merely pointing out that it does.

I think one of the most interesting elements of the New Racism and Alt Right movement is the occasional attempt to insert Christianity into the conversation.

The nationalist angle works. But I think the Christian angle fails. Christianity is a broken spear. The old attempt to make Christianity justify racism or to link whiteness with Christianity or to link Christianity with nationalism fails to appreciate just how weak the religion has become either as a rallying cry for first world people. The best example of this is that the Christian rallying cry doesn't even work in the face of Muslim terrorism.

Where we take issue, is, I believe, in confusing race and culture. I have no problem with black folks that dress well (by which I mean like me), and drive well (ditto), respect the law, get married and then have kids, participate in civic institutions (Church, Lions Club or whatever, celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc) and are generally upstanding citizens.

So, you don't have problems with people who act just like you do. So what? First, I don't care what you do or don't have a problem with. Second, do you not even hear the solipsism in your words?

Your argument is ridiculous on its face. "I have no problem with RACE X so long as they abide by my CULTURE Y."

Well, guess what. That's not their culture. Sure, they can abide by it. I abided by Japanese culture, for the most part, when in Japan. That did not make me Japanese in either race or culture.

Now. I get the "genes drive culture" argument, but I think it's a weak argument. There are far, far too many examples of individuals adapting a different culture, or even of small groups adapting a different culture, for that argument to be convincing.

Your opinion of the argument is irrelevant because you are observably ignorant, self-centered, and parochial. You clearly do not understand that culture is considerably more than the public behavior of individuals, or that very small minorities behave very different than majorities.

As a new reader to this blog, I thought to myself maybe something was missed. So after Doc's post , the cartoon was scrutinized more closely.

Upon review, I realized nothing on it is incorrect. Everything depicted on it has become so overt -within the last 3 years - that only those in denial or zombified are incapable of seeing/acknowledging it.

The cartoon distills all of it into one picture ( albeit with a dash of hyperbole). For those in denial such a powerful illustration must overwhelm their sensibilities.

Ok, maybe I'm just hella denser than the average joe. I'm serious; can someone please explain how that cartoon is racist (even if you don't think it is, why would someone else)?

I don't think the white women is portrayed as someone virtuous, for that matter I don't think any race is actually elevated above another in the cartoon. Really, even the white dude is blathering nonsense.

The problem is deciding at what point exaggerating racial characteristics becomes an attack on the race itself rather than the politics. Think about the depictions of Jews in Nazi propaganda, with the exaggerated noses, the eyebrows, etc. That very exaggeration is done to promote hatred of the Jews because of their racial characteristics.

The depiction of the black woman in this cartoon is no different, as is the depiction of the doll.

If the point were merely political or cultural regarding the "Black Power" movement, then the antebellum-style caricature would not be necessary to get the point across. But, no. You have to have the exaggerated racial characteristics, the pig tails, etc., etc.

It is what it is. And denying what it is makes folk look foolish at best and deceitful at worst.

Yep, it's racist ... as I was taught in K-12 schooling in the halcyon days of the '70s. It took a while for me to observe that reality doesn't quite match the picture of races fed to me back then, but the evidence for that is being rubbed in our faces so thoroughly in the Obama Era of Racial Healing that I can't grant any forgiveness for current adults such as the aptly named Docweasel.

It's not a matter of justifying anything. It's a matter of pointing out the obvious. If the art is meant to demean blacks and hispanics then it failed terribly as it obviously does. I don't think it failed. And #8, I wasn't asking you or anyone else to "care" that the image successfully demeans whole groups of people. I was merely pointing out that it does.

You aren't grokking.So, you found it offensive and demeaning? Good. That was the entire goddamn point. Now we know what you are. Thanks for signalling.

"I just think it is high time the anti-Whites are made to justify themselves."

Have you been following the Black Lives Matter, and anti-free speech and and anti-western debates...particularly on campus? It's all the anti-white groups do. They constantly try to justify their position in commentary after manifesto after demand after demand.

"The problem is deciding at what point exaggerating racial characteristics becomes an attack on the race itself rather than the politics. Think about the depictions of Jews in Nazi propaganda, with the exaggerated noses, the eyebrows, etc. That very exaggeration is done to promote hatred of the Jews because of their racial characteristics. "

This is the biggest crime of the Alt-Right though. Think of the vile "hand rubbing" memes, the (((parentheses))) as online personification of Holocaust tattoos, and Donald Trump's shameful tweeting of a Star of David.

The Jews should never ever be attacked. As Glenn Beck notes, Jesus himself is a Jew, and let us not forget that Judeo-Christian ethics are the foundation of America.

"So, you found it offensive and demeaning? Good. That was the entire goddamn point. Now we know what you are. Thanks for signalling."

But of course you think the image was racist and demeaning too. As you say, "that's the point". And that was Doc Weasel's point too. The question is whether the demeaning nature of the cartoon is justified. I guess the other question is whether the demeaning nature of the cartoon is effective in advancing the Nationalist/Racist/AltRight narrative and argument. I don't think it is effective since the image is far more likely to spark a derisive response by anyone who does not already embrace the movement.

"You're not fooling anyone, Trevor. Without Christians, the nationalists are utterly doomed. You're just more dedicated to anti-Christianity than nationalism."

You are right. I don't give a hoot about Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion today. But you are right. The Nationalist/Racist/AltRight movement is and must be wed to Christianity. I'm only saying I don't think its a particularly effective tool in advancing your agenda.

You are right. I don't give a hoot about Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion today. But you are right. The Nationalist/Racist/AltRight movement is and must be wed to Christianity. I'm only saying I don't think its a particularly effective tool in advancing your agenda.

That's irrelevant. And backwards. I am not a Christian in order to advance my agenda. I advance my agenda because I am a Christian.

A cartoon that engages in hyperbole! Off with his head! And off with the heads of everyone who even subconsciously nodded at the unsubtle caricatures depicted in it!

(sarc off, of course) I have little regard for those who decry the embrace of a cartoon by those who are the only "minority" in Western countries legally safe to kick.

I'll take whiny criticism of a cartoon like this (and the "I'm a better Christian than are you" BS) when jokes about kicking a man (or man-representation) in the testicles fall as flat as jokes about beating a woman in her breasts.

Student in Blue wrote:Ignore the Communists please. I said ignore the Communists. Why aren't you ignoring the Communists when they redefine words and try to add words like "racist" to your language?

Can't just ignore them. They go after everybody, so it's our jobs to immunize people from communist manipulations.

Remember, a lot of people voted for Obama. Wouldn't have happened if we had nipped communism in the bud so its poisonous offspring, Cultural Marxism, wouldn't have grabbed ahold of so many malleable minds.

@7. BillNow. I get the "genes drive culture" argument, but I think it's a weak argument. There are far, far too many examples of individuals adapting a different culture, or even of small groups adapting a different culture, for that argument to be convincing.

You're failing to account that a lot of those groups adapting a different culture, adapt them in their own way.

For example, South Korea got heavily Americanized. Very, very Americanized. For all that their past culture got wiped out however, the American culture that they took in, they put their own spin on it. It's pretty close to American culture but it's not the same by any means.

Those small differences can quickly become fractures when times get stressful, and times always inevitably get stressful.

As that was rather my point, yes, I was and remain pretty aware of if. I thought "by which I mean like me" was a pretty solid give-away.

Your argument is ridiculous on its face. "I have no problem with RACE X so long as they abide by my CULTURE Y."

But the problem is that cultures are different, not that races are different. I think it's obvious that even within the same race there are different cultures (I pointed out that, too). So why shouldn't we try to convert other cultures to be dignity cultures instead of honor cultures or utilitarian cultures? Now, I've read cuckservatives and largely agree with it, but I think the race angle is over-emphasized. There are white cultures that are absolutely toxic, just as there are other race's cultures that are toxic. The problem is culture, not race.

Poor Docweasel. He didn't mean to be an obnoxious asshole, he genuinely wanted to raise his status among the community, by helping everyone play "chase the alleged racist" under his leadership.

By the way, as we discuss virtue signalling and discussing stuff lefties like (such as racism), I would love to hear what people here think about this axcellent article on education (by excellent columnist Ann Coulter) http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-01-28.html

Would you think it would be possible for the GOP to push this topic in the national debate, launching an outcry about academia drowning students into debt and wothless marxist indoctrination ?

You would think we Christians would be far more suspicious of new theology and doctrine than we are. But no we grab every new tend and label it Jesus. It is not as if we were not warned not to be doing this. We were warned to be careful of new teachers and teachings

@ 6 It merely points out that those that commissioned the art and approve of the art are also interested in demeaning other people based on their race; of painting with a brush so broad that it doesn't so much describe or depict but rather attempts to morally defile.

Are there not Mexicans flooding the border and demanding CA be returned to them?

Are there not Muslims supporting ISIS and committing acts of terror here? Beheading Christians there?

Are there not Blacks supporting Black Power movements and calling for the death of white people?

Are there not women degrading themselves and supporting infanticide?

Are there not white Christians providing these people cover while crying out "RACIST!" to anyone who dares criticize their pet identity group?

It seems to me that the real object of derision in this comic was actually the white man. Not the subjects in the background.

@7 I have no problem with black folks that dress well (by which I mean like me), and drive well (ditto), respect the law, get married and then have kids, participate in civic institutions (Church, Lions Club or whatever, celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc) and are generally upstanding citizens.

So you are ok with cultural genocide? You are ok with erasing people's cultural heritage? How RACIST of you.

Supporting Nationalism is not racist. It is demanding the preservation of cultures by keeping them separate. When one member from one culture moves into another culture group, they should assimilate. But when everyone acts like an American, then you have no French, Japanese, Chinese, or Australian.

If we truly value people's cultures, wouldn't we want to facilitate their preserving of it? But preserving it amidst people not like them fosters tension. So them embracing their culture in their own land is best for all.

It's time Christians grasped the concept that our faith is to be shown sacrificially in our OWN lives. It is not "faith" that makes sacrifices on behalf of others, whether those others are your natural children and spouse, your neighbours or your country.

Nobody has a right to give away the peace, financial infrastructure and social harmony of others in the name of virtue signaling.

If you want to be seen cuddling black babies, by all means do so ... in Zambia or Somalia. The sooner the better.

You're absolutely wrong. The cultural problem has its basis in race. I cannot believe some of you are still clinging to the same stupid blank slate nonsense that has been repeatedly disproved for decades now.

Blacks will NEVER produce or maintain a Japanese culture. Navajo will NEVER produce or maintain a Jewish culture. They never have and they never will.

As I have already pointed out, the fact that a few individuals, when surrounded and pressured by an overwhelming majority, can successfully ape a different culture, does not mean that culture is entirely a social construct.

For crying out loud, doesn't the fact that you're relying upon a "social construct" argument even slow you down at all? Or do you agree that sex is a social construct too?

It merely points out that those that commissioned the art and approve of the art are also interested in demeaning other people based on their race; of painting with a brush so broad that it doesn't so much describe or depict but rather attempts to morally defile.

It's the mirror aspect that probably upsets you. I'm agnostic and don't attend church, but I find its role crucial in Western Civilization. I assume you are a communist. Why in the fuck do you think anyone cares about your opinion?

I wasn't asking you or anyone else to "care" that the image successfully demeans whole groups of people. I was merely pointing out that it does.

It primarily demeans cucks and communists, one of which is your group. Good. It was meant to demean this trash so it is an effective cartoon.

Christianity is a broken spear.

So why do you give a fuck?

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"Conservatism" is dead. The Alt-Right is ascendant so you might as well join hands with your communist forebears, cuck. The ash heap of history awaits you and the oily Churchians and faux conservatives who have turned the Republican Party and the United States into evil entities.

There are hordes of Mexicans entering this country. They appear at Trump rallies, attack and physically beat Americans for daring to disagree with them, identify as Mexican while sitting here and soaking up tax dollars and jobs, and fly Mexican flags, while committing a very elevated level of crime compared to whites, and the Hispanic supreme court candidate said openly that being Hispanic -- one of La Raza -- makes her superior at thinking and judging to useless white people. So this cartoon shows a bunch of Mexicans waving Mexican flags rushing into the U.S.. Isn't this precisely what is happening?

We see some Muslim terrorists under ISIS banners with the instruments of beheading. Isn't ISiS beheading people? Aren't there Muslims everywhere in Europe killing, raping, killing, and raping some more? In short, isn't this a very mild depiction of what's actually happening?

We see a grinning black male in a black power T-shirt -- at the moment when black people, despite everyone cringing, squealing, apologizing, and knocking head before them day in and day out (or rather, BECAUSE everyone is) burning Milwaukee, shouting "Black Power!", beating white people for being white, all because a black cop shot a black criminal? This is again a very mild depiction of reality.

If you want to know who's truly repulsive in this picture, it's the cuck. Because the cuck is destroying his race and culture and thinking that this makes him a wonderful person, rather than a miserable sack of human garbage who is busily engaged in ruining the achievements of white Christian nations built up over thousands of years.

All cucks have the Biehl syndrome -- embracing the torturers and murderers of their children, their heritage, in order to strut about, preening and glorifying themselves. They are bursting with pride and vanity and hubris, and are willing to literally annihilate every white nation from the Earth in order to writhe ecstatically over their own perfection.

Blacks will NEVER produce or maintain a Japanese culture. Navajo will NEVER produce or maintain a Jewish culture.

Agreed. Do you think cultures can't change? That, for example, the Irish culture hasn't changed in the past 500 years? That new cultures can't arise? That old cultures don't die off? (I don't see anything like the Sumerian people living today). And if cultures can change, what causes cultural change? We've seen it in America with the demise of dueling. We've seen cultural change in Europe. We've seen cultural change just about everywhere. This entire argument is about cultural change.

I think you may be sincere in your complaints rather than concern-trolling or other such. So let me try a different approach than what others are engaging in here.

Frankly, I looked at that and thought 'Wow that's going to make people flip out and scream racist.' And once upon a time I would have went 'Look guys, that's going to upset people, it's going to harm what you're doing.' Same thing you're saying. But eventually I came to a few conclusions.

First off? I'm offended routinely throughout the day. I see depictions of Christians which are bullshit and offensive. How men are depicted, how whites are depicted, Trump supporters, conservatives, you name it. And I don't just mean 'hey that's not true'. I mean degrading, insulting, vitriolic. The world doesn't care. Maybe it cared at first, but the same people who were producing those things, getting those reactions, kept soldiering on. Now it's the new normal, and they've made cultural progress towards their goals.

Second, and more importantly... whites and nationalists and conservatives and Christians generally have been tricked into self-policing themselves to an absurd degree. A good portion of Nevertrump is based on that kind of bullshit. We second guess ourselves, we act like making any kind of mistake or offense is the only thing standing between us and defeat. We hand-wring, we try to eliminate badthink... and we're called racists, sexists, and horrible people anyway.

I'm not saying you shouldn't judge whether or not a given image is good or bad or not. But I think 'offense' now should be way, way down on the list for us in generally in terms of concern. It's not a big deal. Especially when we're talking about the fringes of the alt-right, as opposed to some mainstream image or message or candidate.

We've done the self-policing conservative shit. It got us nowhere. Let's see where having fun and offending and creativity gets us.

People have essentially no idea what life was like even 200 years ago. They think all of this stuff grows on trees, but never stop to explain why life was so hard for 99.9999% of the time humans have existed, and why only places exclusively populated by relatively high IQ subpopulations exhibited the ability to pull up from the Malthusian Trap that constituted humanity's lot.

Only POMNEA (People of Mostly Northern European Ancestry) produced Western Civ. Only such people can create it, only such people can maintain it. Only Western Civ produces the golden eggs sought by every human on the planet. High IQ Asians come to the West for a r-e-a-s-o-n. They don't necessarily LOVE Westerners (in fact, I think they see us as inferiors) but the LOVE what Westerners produce (and that neither China nor Japan nor Korea can produce.)

The genetics of individuals produce, in the aggregate, the collective phenotype of populations, and populations segregate at the genetic level to RACES. It's a closed loop, and no amount of belief in MAGIC can change it.

If I didn't have kids and grandkids I love, I'd almost like to see the Churchians GET what they're asking for.

A world without a population genetically predisposed to produce the fruits of Western Civ will be a world without those fruits, assholes.

Soros said unto him, thou shalt be anti-racist with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy NAMs more than thy own children. On these two commandments hangs all the white genocide.

MAOA? Do you mean Monoamine oxidase A? Yeah, pretty familiar with that one. Do you know about neuropeptide Y? There's loads of these things, and even the common enzymes/hormones/etc are produced in different amounts based on race and sex. So, yes, I'm more familiar with this than I should be.

"But of course you think the image was racist and demeaning too. As you say, "that's the point". And that was Doc Weasel's point too. The question is whether the demeaning nature of the cartoon is justified."

No, there was never any question about that.

Because when you find the truth to be racist and demeaning, it isn't reality that has the problem.

Don't worry about me - I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to understand such a simple point.

I just watched St. Vincent a Bill Murray film with a fairly decent cast and storyline. Each time Murray ran up against an insensate and soulless bureaucrat who gave him bad news they used this exact line. Billo has either used it as an unconscious tell of his SJW mindset, or he was clever as hell in making the reference. These days I can no longer discern the difference between the two.

The trannies say sex is entirely a social construct while becoming eunuchs on estrogen and calling themselves female.

Virtue signalers need to go to Milwaukee or the next location for the conflagration and try and convince the blacks.

Martin Luther King Jr. asked to be judged on the content of our character. That is what we are returning to.

And it is disingenuous to say blacks CAN act like good whites when they aren't doing so. Let them change and act and show the virtues then make the argument that because they are acting the same out of their own free will. Noting that whites can descend isn't an argument.

And Jesus saves, but blacks have worse false prophets. We have Hagee, they have Sharpton. No one knows what might happen after a true revival because no one will call black churchianity evil. When Black women cease having abortions, call me.

Do you think cultures can't change? That, for example, the Irish culture hasn't changed in the past 500 years? That new cultures can't arise? That old cultures don't die off? (I don't see anything like the Sumerian people living today). And if cultures can change, what causes cultural change?

You do realize that you're talking with the author of the Time-to-Civilization concept. It takes about 1,000 years of eugenics + eucivics to significantly change a culture.

So, are you willing to ruthlessly cull the black race the way the European nations were culled? To make sure only the eucultural genetics are passed on while the dyscultural ones are eliminated? Because that is what is necessary. As it stands, we live in a dysgenic, dyscivic civilization where the less civilized cultures are dragging down the more civilized ones because they were permitted residence.

It merely points out that those that commissioned the art and approve of the art are also interested in demeaning other people based on their race; of painting with a brush so broad that it doesn't so much describe or depict but rather attempts to morally defile.

That's what some will say. But frankly, as others have pointed out... the most demeaned person in that whole picture is the white guy. (I notice the bitchy, dykey woman doesn't register offense. Maybe she's too white.) And the rest? They're not even showing a race. They're showing a subset of some people - cultures even - who are typically of a race. Honest-to-God real cultural forces.

When you see a comic with some savage horrible 'virulent racists' and killers, looking stereotypically white, do you go 'Woah hey, this is racist, not all whites are like this'? Or do you go 'Yeah some whites are like this' and it's practically invisible to you?

Your problem is that truth itself is racist. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Truth is also rabidly sexist.

The entire bible shows one race constantly rejecting God to the point they killed him incarnate. Abraham was given the covenant where circumcision was the symbol. The Israelites said we're circumcised so we can do anything. After the exile, they worshiped the law, not the lawgiver. And they weren't dumb.

Asia had a civilization and most didn't accept the Gospel. Few Native Americans did, nor black Africans or Arabs. Few Jews too - but they are the one group evangelicals never evangelize.

Is Jesus racist for choosing mostly Caucasians after his original Chosen rejected him? Or are Caucasians more ready to respond?

Or to put it differently, does Abraham prefer obedient white children to disobedient direct descendants? St. Paul answers.

Try reversing the cartoon where a Muslim or witch-doctor or Shinto priest is holding a white child. Would that be ok?

Trevor163 wrote:"I don't hate blacks. I just believe I have the same moral right to prefer people like me that they have."

Of course you have that moral right. And no one can seriously dispute that. However, pointing out that the image used in the post and commissioned by Faith and Heritage is racism of the worst and most virulent type doesn't strip you of that right. It merely points out that those that commissioned the art and approve of the art are also interested in demeaning other people based on their race; of painting with a brush so broad that it doesn't so much describe or depict but rather attempts to morally defile.

There is only one question: is it true?

Because if so it it will offend and it must offend. Most especially weak sauce clowns like yourself.

Also? Can someone define what racism means when emitted by this poltroon? I used to know what this word meant but now apparently it means stopping people from punching you in the face and raping your wife?

What's wrong with people? Why can't people just leave? Why do they feel so compelled to shoot at you off the back of their horse on the way out of town?

I don't understand the compulsion to telegraph to everyone how offended they are, as if anyone really cares. Just leave. It's just a blog.

No one who calls themselves Christian or bemoans the loss of Christian ethics has any business posting something like that, or else they have a thin grasp of exactly what Christianity is in the first place.

... we live in a dysgenic, dyscivic civilization where the less civilized cultures are dragging down the more civilized ones because they were permitted residence.

Totally agree. And if we don't do a course correction then we're going to go backwards in cultural development (or, what I view as backwards; toward more violence, more corruption, more human trafficking).

My point is that this is largely (but not totally) unrelated to race. A few hundred years ago there was a class of blacks that fit into white society very well. They self-selected out of "black" culture and into "white" culture, as a deliberate, conscious act(this is covered in detail in Thomas Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals). IMHO, this is how it should work; immigration should be very, very restricted, and I would have no problem with loyalty oaths, etc. It does not benefit us to import people with third-world cultures (and, frankly, it doesn't benefit their countries to export their best shot at reforming their culture, either).

But this is not a racial thing. If you want to defend the cartoon (I know YOU don't care, but whatever) don't mock the idiot for crying racism, point out that the cartoon is very deliberately NOT racist. The cartoon is "culturalist".

Blacks will NEVER produce or maintain a Japanese culture. Navajo will NEVER produce or maintain a Jewish culture.

I agree with this. I also think in small doses it is possible to assimilate enough to not destroy the culture that surrounds them. And after saying that, it seems so patently obvious that we really do not want to preserve white American culture.

The problem is it is easier to cry racist or sexist than to evangelize and restore Christianity, especially in a churchian world.

Even if you say they just need to find and FOLLOW Christ, are you going to go in and tell all the fornicators, adulterers, robbers, thieves, murderers that they are sons and daughters of the Devil like Paul called the Corinthians on incest?

That they are going to hell is the gravest evil. That most are removing the "Bridge out" sign is worse.

Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I can imagine nothing more hateful than being too cowardly toward hurt feelings to save people from eternal death, particularly the blacks and women people are claiming concern for.

The Virtue Signal is a neon sign saying Welcome to Hell for Eternity.

If you really cared about blacks, you would be far more worried about those who are the property of the Devil and doing the work of a spiritual abolitionist rather than whining and deconstructing some cartoon.

Lead them to find and obey Christ.

The current experiment is to see how long each race takes to descend back into barbarism after Christ is removed - through the schools (how many Millenials are true Christians? Are the Christian ones as bad?), and the false churches.

We forget that the original colonies were mainly a very eucivic and eugenic self-selection of the English. They went Galt and realized they were better than their fellows back in England when G3 started demanding welfare payments.

As it stands, we live in a dysgenic, dyscivic civilization where the less civilized cultures are dragging down the more civilized ones because they were permitted residence.

Yes, it is civilizational suicide as policy. In the event genetic proclivities aren't enough (this is particularly the case with East Asians and Hispanics deemed "too white"), the alien residency is encouraged in Balkanized enclaves. This eventually will work to our advantage when it comes time to draw boundaries, although that obviously was an inadvertent benefit.

"No one who calls themselves Christian or bemoans the loss of Christian ethics has any business posting something like that, or else they have a thin grasp of exactly what Christianity is in the first place."I have a thin grasp of his Christianity.

When I first saw the picture I was slightly taken aback, but instead of rejecting the picture outright I looked closer to see what it was really trying to portray. The hyperbole is effective.

My point is that this is largely (but not totally) unrelated to race. A few hundred years ago there was a class of blacks that fit into white society very well. They self-selected out of "black" culture and into "white" culture, as a deliberate, conscious act(this is covered in detail in Thomas Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals).

You're still wrong. They were still black. They weren't white. They weren't Chinese. And they could only do it because they were mimicking an alien culture.

Take them out of it, they would stop behaving that way. Because they were still black. Race is culture is race. The two concepts are deeply intertwined, they are not entirely or largely separate.

Apropos of the discussion, from the readings today, the Prophet Ezekiel might have been talking to the cucksetvatives:

"therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have thought yourself to have the mind of a god, Therefore I will bring against you foreigners, the most barbarous of nations. They shall draw their swords against your beauteous wisdom, they shall run them through your splendid apparel. They shall thrust you down to the pit, there to die a bloodied corpse, in the heart of the sea. Will you then say, “I am a god!” when you face your murderers? No, you are man, not a god, handed over to those who will slay you. You shall die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners, for I have spoken, says the Lord GOD." Ezekiel28: 3-10

But it is. Not entirely, but race (and mean-revision) is a thing, Bill, and it matters, quite a bit.

The science here is settled, man. This doesn't mean blacks will never be civilized (I'm rooting for you, Nigeria!) but the trend right now is not good, and cuck'ing about 'muh proposition' ain't gonna change that.

Ever since I moved away from my hometown and the church I attended there, I have not found a church that is not-now identifiable to me-Churchian. Also, the types of men I have known from evangelical colleges that were in youth ministry or theological seminary were cucks. The latest church my wife and I tried the pastor had adopted children from Africa, and went on a year-long missionary gig to an African country that has more Christians of his church's sect than are in his home country. I don't even have the motivation to attend church and my wife wouldn't be open to "attending" an online church that is not Churchian.

Was docweasel around when "All in the Family" was the top comedy in America back in the 70s?

It was comedy and satire, created by a far leftie Norman Lear. And 100s of examples of "racist" gems like this one, "the coons are coming" hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnTZipv03M

So why is it OK for leftists to produce jokes and satire but if the right or alt-rt do the same, everyone suddenly needs a safe space?

American culture c. 1776 confirmed and furthered the rights of free speech and the free exchange of ideas. New American culture c. 1965, born of replacement races wants to shred the constitution and bill of rights. None of this happens in a vacuum.

From old Vox day article.To shark or not to shark? A few statistical observations regarding biracial children:•More than 50 percent of the relationships between white women and black men end upon "the disclosure of the pregnancy." •72 percent of the white women whose children have black fathers never marry the father. •82 percent of the biracial children of white women with more than one child have different black fathers. •92 percent of the biracial children of black fathers are born illegitimate.•97 percent of the biracial children of black fathers and white mothers are born illegitimate.•98 percent of white mothers never receive any financial support from the black fathers of their children even if they are married to them.

A few hundred years ago there was a class of blacks that fit into white society very well. They self-selected out of "black" culture and into "white" culture, as a deliberate, conscious act.You're still wrong. They were still black. They weren't white. They weren't Chinese. And they could only do it because they were mimicking an alien culture.

True. They didn't intermarry, and they were aware that they were aping (sorry) white culture. But they really did adopt white culture, and they embraced it across generations. Then problems arose when southern blacks moved into their neighborhoods, the culturally white blacks were swamped and very soon disappeared. And then we got all the segregation laws, because whites didn't want to live with the new blacks, either. But of note is that the original, culturally white blacks really abhorred the newcomers.

Race is culture is race. The two concepts are deeply intertwined, they are not entirely or largely separate.

So, why are there so many different white cultures (even within America)? Why are there so many black cultures? Asian? There are MANY more factors that go into culture than just race. Race is important because we self-select based on that for pair-bonding within the same culture (and, I agree with this, I think children with mixed race parents are disadvantaged, other things being equal).

@106, the first thing that had to happen was the rise of noticeable ZFG people who, as with every trend, sensed its ripeness for change.

Every fashion begins with the earliest of adopters. During the 1st part of the change, such people are hit with endless volleys of fire from the old trend (in this case, RINO/Cucks and the leftist-trend-setters alike.)

Heralds of tend change must be able to withstand those attacks and demonstrate that they can be not only survived but turned back on defenders of the sclerotic old Narrative. This constitutes the rally point for subsequent layers of support as people chafing under the lies and insults of the old Narrative peel away in favor of their hearts' and minds' dictates.

We finally have somewhere to GO! We are NOT ALONE!

The panic among the Left (and their pets, the Cucks) today is ample evidence that the ship nearly capsized to the left is visibly heeling toward the right as passengers are increasingly unwilling to be threatened and beaten by the captain and crew.

Next step is mutiny in favor of a new set of officers. I'm in particular favor of watching the old officers and crew walk the plank while the rats and their pestilence-carrying fleas are driven off the ship.

Which means that there are a lot more races that just "black", "white" and "other", and it is meaningful to talk about the "English race" or the "German race" as they used to back at the turn of the last century.

To actually answer question #3 posed in the post by VD:The Catholic Church (to start)All Churches that get involved with Government (Jesus told Pilate, my kingdom is NO part of this world) and Daniel 2:44 tells us that Kingdom will crush ALL kingdoms of man.Keep "shuffling" the lounge chairs of the Titanic if it helps, but it's still going down.

Four of the silliest words in the English language are, "As Glenn Beck notes".

And btw, Jesus is not a Jew. Jesus is the Logos, the Son of God, a Person of the Holy Trinity, the Way, the Truth, and the Light, who was incarnate as a human who was a Jew for a time. It's like saying Krishna was a Hindustani.

@113. BillThen problems arose when southern blacks moved into their neighborhoods, the culturally white blacks were swamped and very soon disappeared.

I may be wrong here, but the people who call "culturally white blacks" did not have the exact same culture as the white people. They had their own spin and understanding on things.

So blacks at that time held a very similar culture to whites. This does not mean that they had the exact same culture. To do so is to say that if Vox just tried hard enough, he could be culturally Japanese.

Vox already declared he was not Japanese, culturally or otherwise, he just abided by their culture. Much the same way as a guest would in an owner's house abide by their rules.

dc.sunsets wrote:Only POMNEA (People of Mostly Northern European Ancestry) produced Western Civ. Only such people can create it, only such people can maintain it. Only Western Civ produces the golden eggs sought by every human on the planet. High IQ Asians come to the West for a r-e-a-s-o-n. They don't necessarily LOVE Westerners (in fact, I think they see us as inferiors) but the LOVE what Westerners produce (and that neither China nor Japan nor Korea can produce.)

I have blonde hair and blue eyes and I think this is bullshit. What civilization are you even talking about? You can't be talking about the Renaissance or the Baroque periods, because Spaniards and Italians were leaders in those, and they are considered southern European. You can't be talking about ancient Greco-Roman civilisation, because that was Mediterranean/Southern. You obviously aren't talking about the civilisation of ancient China, Babylon, Egypt, Israel. Northern Europeans were basically backwards barbarians for a very long time, and only overtook southern Europe fairly recently.

But they really did adopt white culture, and they embraced it across generations. Then problems arose when southern blacks moved into their neighborhoods, the culturally white blacks were swamped and very soon disappeared

Which simply demonstrates that race will tell. The white-culture blacks couldn't retain it without having whites around. Smaller numbers of whites preserved white culture even when totally swamped by Indians or Africans. Because they were white.

So, why are there so many different white cultures (even within America)? Why are there so many black cultures? Asian? There are MANY more factors that go into culture than just race

Because there are far more races than you seem to think. The English are a race. The Germans are a race. Perhaps it would be easier if you thought of them in terms of sub-species and sub-sub-species. There are more factors that go into culture than race. But race is probably the single most important one.

Is alt-right an exclusively white thing in your view? Or just American nationalism? And what about people of mixed ancestry?

No. Yes. We have to hope we're accepted by one group or another or try to pass. Or, as in South Africa, we can try to form our own quasi-culture.

fred wrote:And btw, Jesus is not a Jew. Jesus is the Logos, the Son of God, a Person of the Holy Trinity, the Way, the Truth, and the Light, who was incarnate as a human who was a Jew for a time. It's like saying Krishna was a Hindustani

Nah Fred, saying that Jesus Christ is a descendant of Abraham and King David certainly isn't meaningless. It certainly wasn't meaningless to any of the prophets, or the apostles, or to St. Paul. It is misleading to say it today though, when the meaning of the word "Jew" doesn't just mean descendant of Abraham, but also someone or practises the anti-Christ religion of "Judaism", and when "Jesus is a Jew", could be used to support the idea, "Jesus is a Zionist".

@122 If you look at the civilization built by the West in the last 1000 years, and if you include Northern Italy and Catalonia (which was a separate kingdom) in Northern Europe, you will see that virtually no part of that great edifice was built by Southern Europeans. Western civilization is a construct of Northern Europeans, period....

And the NWO return to Babel marches on. And the devil surgically slicing and dicing his way into the white-mans mind and heart in the most subtle ways. As the white-man self genocides itself into cultural irrelevance and non-existence. In the name of Jesus.

Because, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth."

As the cucks worship at the alter of Babel. "Come! Let is put together what G-d has put asunder!"

There is a reason the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech." So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

We are to make disciples of all nations, not dilute them and integrate them into a new Babel. But the devil would have you think otherwise, because he is more subtle than some want to believe.

VD wrote:There are more factors that go into culture than race. But race is probably the single most important one.

This is a fairly ambiguous statement. What do you mean by factors that "go into" culture? Do you mean something that makes up a part of culture (like religion) or something that causes or influences culture (like race)?There is no such thing as "white culture", in the sense that there is no cultural practice that will cause you to be white; in the sense that there is a "Catholic culture" such that if you practice it you become really Catholic.

Also, I think I am culturally more similar to a black citizen in my own country today than I am to one of my barbarian white ancestors, to whom I am more racially similar. I think culture is probably more nurture than nature. Pick a black baby out of the jungle and throw a white baby into the jungle. See after 30 years which has a culture closer to our own.

pyrrhus wrote:If you look at the civilization built by the West in the last 1000 years, and if you include Northern Italy and Catalonia (which was a separate kingdom) in Northern Europe, you will see that virtually no part of that great edifice was built by Southern Europeans. Western civilization is a construct of Northern Europeans, period....

It's a bit silly limiting it to the last 1000 years and then talking about western civilisation, because ancient Athens and Rome, neither of which are in your territory, are the real sources of western civilisation.

You are also missing Florence and Madrid, jewels of the Renaissance / Baroque.

"saying that Jesus Christ is a descendant of Abraham and King David certainly isn't meaningless. It certainly wasn't meaningless to any of the prophets, or the apostles, or to St. Paul."

That is true. But these are complex issues of theology (viz. salvation history, for example.) I was responding to the imbecilic Glenn Becks of the world, and the (((guys))) who sputter, "You idiot! You WORSHIP a Jew!" No I don't, I worship Him through Whom all things were made. Jews frequently make the error of thinking they were the ones who wrote the Bible, the way Vergil wrote the Aeneid. Just ain't so, guys.

"I'm not a huge fan of aspects of the Scots-Irish culture"

That's what you got? You're not a huge fan of aspects? The claim was "absolutely toxic." I'm not a fan of having a runny nose. But Ebola is absolutely toxic. See the diff?

praetorian wrote:What may (or may not, "probably") be true of the individual is not true of the group.

Well I think I am more culturally similar to modern Italians than ancient Saxons, to whom I am more genetically related.

It's daft to talk about race determining culture, when people of exactly the same race can have such divergent cultures. I don't think our ancestors saw it in that way. In ancient Rome, it was more important to be a Roman citizen than to be ethnically Latin.If I look at western culture I see it as being more influenced by certain individual kings, philosophers, and lawgivers than by race. I think Confucius has more to do with Chinese civilisation than Chinese genetics.

tz wrote:When Black women cease having abortions, call me.The ones with tubal ligations aren't having abortions. I suggest that this be made available with a substantial cash bonus for every female criminal, juvenile delinquent and academic failure, bonus rising with the level of dysfunction. (Hysterectomy for those with e.g. endometriosis. Sell them on "no more periods or cramps, EVER!" Give them a week's vacay at a spa for their recovery time. You'll have lines out the door wanting to sign up.)

$10,000 is a small fraction of the first-year cost of just one premature birth. It's a fraction of the annual per-pupil spending in urban Black districts. How many would jump at the chance to get $10,000? 90%? Imagine 90% of the hood gone in 20 years, and schools re-habitable by humans in 10.

"I think Confucius has more to do with Chinese civilisation than Chinese genetics."

Without Chinese genetics, Confucius would have had far less influence (he had very little influence in his lifetime.) But his propositions became first accepted, then implemented, then finally treated as self-evident common knowledge. Besides, he himself did not think of himself as an original thinker (though in many ways he was); he thought he was transmitting the ancient precepts of the venerable Duke of Chou.

If he were the last one pulling the race card, then he would not have pulled the race card.

The only thing inaccurate about the cartoon is the woman is thinner at the waist then shoulders. If VD put up a cartoon of gays having sex in a New Orleans's graveyard, or a CA little league field I wouldn't cry about it because it reflects reality. In fact right now gays are seeing to have sex in a Fresno little league field claiming discrimination because no STR8 people get arrested for having sex there. Not sure how they can afford a lawyer when they can't even afford getting into a bathhouse. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2016/08/07/77896/

confusing race and culture. I have no problem with black folks that dress well I have no problem with unicorns

deciding at what point exaggerating racial characteristics becomes an attack on the race itself rather than the politics

anime is an exaggeration of how Japanese see whites but white kids like it better than social justice cartoons

CruzVoter2 As someone who has adopted 3 black children from Africa, let me state for the record, sir:

Please tell me this is satire.

You're running wild with a presumption that two different races can ever have the exact same culture

Even worse he thinks that if 3 Latrina's squatted out all their crack babies in rice paddies their would be at least one with a perfect math SAT because 1/50 Asian males get them. Disparate impact.

What I like about that cartoon is that it's politically incorrect. I had gotten so sick of PC a few years ago, that anything honest and non-PC is a relief to me. Besides, this kind of visual discourse was completely commonplace less than a century ago. Just look at the old political cartoons; there was no room for hurt feelings then.

The cartoon in question not as amusing as some other cartoons I've seen but it really hits it on the nose. It can be hard to wring humour out of something so tragic. It's a real punch in the gut. This is why it's effective.

As some other commenters have pointed out, the most injured/insulted party is the white guy but of course the anti-racists would never think of sticking up for him.

I also started paying attention to Trump, when I saw him say: "Megyn, I don't have time for this political correctness." I knew then he was the real deal. Not being PC is probably the biggest attraction today, which is why cucks and trolls keep trying to lash opinions to it.

Billy Do you think cultures can't change?...(I don't see anything like the Sumerian people living today).

Absolutely great point since Sumerian statues had blue eyes and no blue eyed people live in the area since. Its like how Detroit went from have the best public schools in the US to what it is today.

People have essentially no idea what life was like even 200 years ago. They think all of this stuff grows on trees

Some of it does grown on trees but only the white man plants trees he will not know the shade of. I remember helping my grandfather plant a tree on the east side of my parents house angled to it would block the summer sun, years later my mom had it cut down because she didn't like where it was placed and didn't know why it was placed there.

"As Glenn Beck notes, Jesus himself is a Jew"

Could Jesus legally move & become a citizen of present day Israel?

we live in a dysgenic, dyscivic civilization where the less civilized cultures are dragging down the more civilized ones

Only non Asian minorities are so dycivic that they would regularly use ambulances as free taxis. Poor whites will set up Obamaville camps in the woods.

Was docweasel around when "All in the Family" was the top comedy in America back in the 70s? It was comedy and satire

Bravo produced Duck Dynasty because they planned on it making fun of rednecks, they got really upset when people watched it for the wrong reasons like Christianity, entrepreneurialism, & intact family with an uncucked dad.

$10,000 is a small fraction of the first-year cost of just one premature birth

I thought $1/4 million was on the low end but I just looked & March of Dimes says the average is $50k, they must be counting 2-3 week early babies as part of it.

Because there are far more races than you seem to think. The English are a race. The Germans are a race. Perhaps it would be easier if you thought of them in terms of sub-species and sub-sub-species. There are more factors that go into culture than race. But race is probably the single most important one.

I agree with this, perhaps we've been using the same words and different dictionaries. In America we would call German and English nationalities instead of races, but I think the point stands. It's not skin color, it's something else. We can call it nationality, we can say there's 70 races, either way - this is not white/black/Hispanic/Asian.

BGKB wrote:Bravo produced Duck Dynasty because they planned on it making fun of rednecks, they got really upset when people watched it for the wrong reasonsDitto some Black comedian (Dave Chappelle?). It was another case of WRONGFANS having WRONGFUN. Black dysfunction is WHITEY'S FAULT, not a joke.

FWIW, I'm off to KCMO tomorrow. I'll try to write up some reports, I may post them during or after.

@64 VFM #6306 Darwin's Blank Slate must be as addictive as alchemy. See, because someday two monkeys are going to love each other very much and give birth to a transitional man. All it takes is enough magic dirt...---

That reminds me of a thought I had as a kid. If people evolved from monkeys, why are the monkeys still here? Shouldn't they have all evolved into people by now? :P

Even the left's darling, Charles Darwin, once wrote a book titled (in its entirety) "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

Modern culture dickweeds attempt to gloss over or to airbrush that last bit out of there, comrades.

True. The black baby will be closer to an American. The white baby will be king of some place, which of course is very un-American.

Tarzan was my immediate thought. Of course that is fictional... However, we have seen what a small contingent of whites can do in the wilderness (American Colonies) vs what a small contingent of Blacks can do in the city (Harlem, pre-gentrification).

There is no such thing as "white culture", in the sense that there is no cultural practice that will cause you to be white; in the sense that there is a "Catholic culture" such that if you practice it you become really Catholic.

White culture, being a forced conglomerate imposed by indentitarians who insist on lumping us altogether, is made up of lots of cultures of people who happen to have lighter-colored skin than the favored minorities. European-descended hispanics fall into this group, yet there are intensely different cultural markers between he and I (a german/french/dutch of midwestern descent). There is also a huge difference between mestizos and spanish mexicans in Mexico. Can you spot the difference?

Is there a difference between Hawaiian Polynesians and Japanese Polynesians?

Is there a difference between French and English?

Many of the cultural differences simply serve to drive us to find community in like-minded people. Consider the German Society clubs in the States. But other cultural differences actually affect our tolerances for governing styles - which has a very huge effect in a land that allows universal suffrage.

When it comes to religion, culture is obedience to Christ (which makes us all pretty bad assimilators). Forcing newly converted aborigines to take high-noon tea in order to be "Christian" is simply absurd. Teaching them not to revere the "Dreaming" would be appropriate.

I've also read numerous reports of adopted or fostered Negro children attacking/raping their White parents, but strangely enough, when I search for such things, all I get back are stories of White adoptive parents harming or killing their non-White adopted children. One might get the idea there's an agenda there - or even worse, that inter-racial adoption is a bad idea.

I've also read numerous reports of adopted or fostered Negro children attacking/raping their White parents, but strangely enough, when I search for such things, all I get back are stories of White adoptive parents harming or killing their non-White adopted children. One might get the idea there's an agenda there - or even worse, that inter-racial adoption is a bad idea.

It may be a case of "man bites dog" as well as bias. Everyone expects it from a black kid.

But they really did adopt white culture, and they embraced it across generations. Then problems arose when southern blacks moved into their neighborhoods, the culturally white blacks were swamped and very soon disappeared

So why didn't they keep them out of their neighborhoods, move, or force them to assimilate? The South gets a bad rap - some things were deserved, but the race relations in many areas were respectful. If we could have implemented the equal (the problem with separate but equal), you would likely have had two groups of civilized people living side by side, because the whites would set the rules and the blacks could follow them.

Back then the trophy went to the winner of the race (pun intended). Now everyone gets one for participating.

White Millenials might not be as bad, but consider if they were militant instead of triggered.

If you sent Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell to Zimbabwe, and made them kings or presidents, or whatever, they still wouldn't be able to fix things. Somalia was a non-state for a while too. It is not that they would lose their ideas, but instead realize that they would either need to import an entrepreneurial ethnicity like the Chinese or Europeans, or just give up and be the exploiters.

Sheriff David Clarke Jr. would probably find the best to form an army and turn into Idi Amin.

Some whites can adapt to sub-Saharan African culture, but most don't want to because they don't want to be so brutal - it isn't as efficient.

@121"There are white cultures that are absolutely toxic"No, there aren't. Name one. (Cue shrieking about Nazis and the KKK)Russia under Communism.I'm not sure if some of the worst of Latin America counts - what of the Mexicans with their corrupt police, politicians, army, and drug cartels?Our own post-Christian Europe and America - We forget Abortion yet that is far more toxic than cannibalism or the tortures practiced by "barbarians". A mother killing her child. A doctor worse than Mengele violating the Hippocratic oath and humanity. And this is called a right, but it is a celebrated Satanic rite.

The problem is you're thinking of the Holy Roman (Catholic and Orthodox) Empire which spanned Europe and the Church stopped the worst of the evil pagan practices. The Vikings were raiding, raping, and pillaging. The church said the civil authorities could use whatever means to stop such things. So they did. As Vox said, an thousand years of selecting for eucivics.

John wrote:There is no such thing as "white culture", in the sense that there is no cultural practice that will cause you to be white; in the sense that there is a "Catholic culture" such that if you practice it you become really Catholic.

Also, I think I am culturally more similar to a black citizen in my own country today than I am to one of my barbarian white ancestors, to whom I am more racially similar. I think culture is probably more nurture than nature. Pick a black baby out of the jungle and throw a white baby into the jungle. See after 30 years which has a culture closer to our own.

Talk about missing the point....1st, you create a weird (really weird) strawman that actually proves your opponent's point. No, no level of acculturation will make you White. Which, BTW, is exactly the assertion of your opponents. Somehow, you reverse the premise and assert that that means there is no such thing as "White culture". That's aiming at the barn and shooting yourself in the eye. There is White culture, it belongs to Whites, and arises from White genetic traits and shared history, religion and language. The fact that it's not transferable is exactly the point.

2nd You are more culturally similar to modern Blacks than to barbarian Whites is specious in the extreme. You are perhaps more similar on the level of accident, but not on the level of essence. Yes, you wear spmewhat the same style of clothing (somewhat), and watch the same football games. Outside of that, how are they similar? Do you believe in beating and abandoning your woman? Because that's the overwhelming pattern of behavior among Black men. Do you have no problem with theft? Do you feel murderous rage at the first hint of disrespect?In point of actual fact, the rules of everyday life and social interaction are very very different among Blacks than among Whites. And at even a superficial level, clothing, dialect, posture, music, event he way they pronounce words, as quite distinct unless they are intentionally aping Whites. When left to their own devices, Black revert to the mean of African behavior, as they have been doing since the mid-60s, when welfare and desegregation made it possible to live without abiding by Whitey's rules.

The final bit is a lot of WTFery. Intentionally depriving a child of his culture will probably not result in an adult with that culture you deprived him of? No shit. So what?

It's as if you think people are saying "culture is entirely genetic" when they are saying that "culture arises out of genetics and history".

Oh, and which Catholic Culture(tm) is the definitive one? Assyrian Catholic? Malabar Catholic? Ruthenian Catholic? Italian Catholic. Mexican Catholic? Irish Catholic? Polish Catholic? German Catholic? All of them are very different cultures.

"I'm not saying you shouldn't judge whether or not a given image is good or bad or not. But I think 'offense' now should be way, way down on the list for us in generally in terms of concern. It's not a big deal. Especially when we're talking about the fringes of the alt-right, as opposed to some mainstream image or message or candidate.

We've done the self-policing conservative shit. It got us nowhere. Let's see where having fun and offending and creativity gets us."

I've wondered for some time just how successful the AltRight/Nationalist/Racist ideology could be. What I'm sure of is that the Nationalist strain of the AltRight has legs. I don't know how long they are, but I know they are there.

But I'm equally sure that pursuing their goals and ideology by deploying classic racist imagery and arguments won't work and to my mind that's a good thing.

If there were any sort of organized opposition to the AltRight/Nationalsit/racist movement in the U.S. the first thing they would do is point everyone who will listen or look to this kind of messaging and make the point that the "AltRight/Nationalists are virulent racists who who clearly have the goal of demeaning and fomenting hatred against any non-white race and all you have to do to confirm that is look at this kind of imagery they are endorsing and using."

That kind of messaging would turn off people to the AltRight/Nationalist movement in droves. While I understand the point you make when you suggest that concern for being offensive is misplaced, I see that view as only being viable for the contingent of the AltRight/Nationalist/Racist movement that doesn't care if their views are are to be adopted by more and more people. In other words, if the movement wishes to grow, this is wonderfully counterproductive.

If you can't see the racism in both the way blacks are depicted in that image and the general tone of your entire post then you are too far gone to debate. It's people like you (and your commenters, with the raw, hateful racism in comments like calling black kids "niglets") who give ammunition to the left to call conservatives racists. I have no problem with black people in general. You and your ilk seem to have a great problem with them. That's the textbook definition of racism, hating someone because of their race.

I'm sure you'll be glad to be shed of me, as true racists detest being called out by other conservatives, of which I assure you I am one. Conservatism doesn't mean hating black people. You sir, are a disgrace and I'm going to point these posts out to some people I respect who have linked you in the past. The hatred outweighs any insights you might have on other matters. Fruit of the poison tree.

"It's the mirror aspect that probably upsets you. I'm agnostic and don't attend church, but I find its role crucial in Western Civilization. I assume you are a communist. Why in the fuck do you think anyone cares about your opinion? "

It doesn't upset me and I'm about the worst communist you'll ever encounter.

What I am is aware that the nationalist strain in American politics is growing. And it interests me because I see both beneficial and harmful aspects to it. So, I look at this kind of imagery and I shake my head wondering why the Nationalists/AltRight/Racists appear to want to drive folks away from their message and agenda.

Earlier in this thread someone tried to make the case that there ARE some rapists coming over the boarder. And there ARE some black power blacks that hate whites. Etc. Etc. So, the picture does depict some sort of reality. I wonder how many others think that is a reasonable way to interpret this imagery. I wonder how in the world they could not recognize that the imagery near perfectly apes the classic racist imagery that existed in America for literally 200 years.

@163. docweasel If you can't see the racism in both the way blacks are depicted in that image and the general tone of your entire postI would point out that the white women is not exactly portrayed in a good light, either. Nobody in the cartoon is portrayed in a good light. That, uh, would be the point. So, given that observation, how is the cartoon racist? What race is elevated over the others? (that would be the actual textbook definition of racism - racial superiority)

"I would point out that the white women is not exactly portrayed in a good light, either. Nobody in the cartoon is portrayed in a good light. That, uh, would be the point. So, given that observation, how is the cartoon racist? What race is elevated over the others? (that would be the actual textbook definition of racism - racial superiority)"

The imagery of the blacks is classic savage/coon imagery used for generations for the purpose of denigrating and demeaning the entire race.

The image of the white woman doesn't attempt to demean an entire race. It means to demean the white women that don't act a certain way.

Trevor163 wrote:I've wondered for some time just how successful the AltRight/Nationalist/Racist ideology could be. What I'm sure of is that the Nationalist strain of the AltRight has legs. I don't know how long they are, but I know they are there."Hello, fellow Alt-Righters! I totally share your Nationalist leanings! (((We))) are destined for Great Things."

But I'm equally sure that pursuing their goals and ideology by deploying classic racist imagery and arguments won't work and to my mind that's a good thing.Fellow alt-Righters! Please stop with this tactic that's changing the conversation! It is DOOMED to irrelevance! Stop trying to win!!!

If there were any sort of organized opposition to the AltRight/Nationalsit/racist movement in the U.S. the first thing they would do is point everyone who will listen or look to this kind of messaging and make the point that the "AltRight/Nationalists are virulent racists who who clearly have the goal of demeaning and fomenting hatred against any non-white race and all you have to do to confirm that is look at this kind of imagery they are endorsing and using.""The only way we are gaining ground now is because no-one is fighting against us! As soon as there's any organized opposition, besides the media, both political parties, academia, most Christian Churches, and the state and Federal governments, we're sure to start losing, if you use effective tactics and memes!"

That kind of messaging would turn off people to the AltRight/Nationalist movement in droves.People will think bad things about me if (((I))) associate with you! Stop calling me a cuck! I'm not a cuck! I'm a paid leftist troll!"

The point is, Trevor, that you are obviously not on the same side as we are. You (quite carefully) don't even claim to be. So why should we take strategy and tactics advice from you? You already want us to lose.

@ 164 "So, the picture does depict some sort of reality. I wonder how many others think that is a reasonable way to interpret this imagery."

I am quite often offended by the bilge coming out of Hollywood that makes darlings of tattooed/pierced women as objects of beauty and intelligence far above their true representation in the population,

of minority races placed in roles of God or judges far above their true representation in the population,

beautiful women portrayed as military heroes, combat vets, and physical badasses far above their true representation in the population,

but guess what? Nobody on the left gives a shit about my preferences or sensibilities. Why should I care or grant them an ounce of compassion for their hurt feelings?

I'm supposed to see their lies in tv and film as great virtues, because women and minorities need these kind of role models that practically do not exist in reality.

Who needs these role models? Progressives and cucks. It's what you use as salve to ease the pain of guilt associated with YOUR part in losing the promise that was Western Civilization.

I've also read numerous reports of adopted or fostered Negro children attacking/raping their White parents, but strangely enough, when I search for such things, all I get back are stories of White adoptive parents harming or killing their non-White adopted children. One might get the idea there's an agenda there - or even worse, that inter-racial adoption is a bad idea.

Why would you be expecting Lügenpresse to fail to follow their standing orders from those who own them to bury all the negro crime carried out against YT for the past 60-70 years? That's one of the few things "journalists" are actually required to do. The orders were issued in the Associated Press guidebook of 1948 and have been adopted by every Lügenpresse operation across Kwa-bananaland as well as in the EUSSR. Negroes never commit any crime on their own. Sweet Innocent Misunderstood Black Angels. As has been noted over at Kersey's place long ago: it's de turribul, turribul legacy ob de slabery. Things just have a way of going wrong when negroes are present - prayer meetings, robberies, home invasions, rapes, demonic weaves, etc. etc. The list of non-negroid reasons for negro crime is quite endless but they all boil down to one: It be YT's fault.

""The only way we are gaining ground now is because no-one is fighting against us! As soon as there's any organized opposition, besides the media, both political parties, academia, most Christian Churches, and the state and Federal governments, we're sure to start losing, if you use effective tactics and memes!""

At this point, you have delusions of grandeur where the success of the AltRight/Nationalists/Racists are concerned.

"The point is, Trevor, that you are obviously not on the same side as we are. You (quite carefully) don't even claim to be. So why should we take strategy and tactics advice from you? You already want us to lose."

As a Redman, it is pretty plain to see the racism in that cartoon. It is pretty clear that the racist stereotype of the white man in the foreground as being spineless, weak, willing to care for a child that obviously isn't even his, show a high level of disgust and hate for the white race.

I think what upsets the weaselly doc is that the disgust with the white man stereotype is so blatant, so visceral, that it is offending him.

But then, we Native Americans are so used to being stereotyped that I guess it is amusing to see someone get so upset about it.

Why on earth would we want to do that? I, personally, view war, slavery, rape, and murder as bad things, and would like to avoid them. So, the destruction of toxic cultures is a worthwhile goal.

Its interesting to me that the chosen method of proselytizing is to import them here and pray real hard that they don't change our world rather than the importers going and affecting change in their midst by... you know... spreading the Gospel.

Or... supporting the church that is there.

Instead, we get a lot of boohoo-ing about how racist it is to call some mexicans rapists who shouldn't be allowed into this country or wanting to stymie immigration from the middle east so as not to import that- what was it you said? - "violent, corrupt cultur[e]."

This is called imperialism, fyi. And supremacy. If these people are so disgusted by their own culture, let them fix it. Our doing it for them isn't helping them any. It's like giving a bunch of 6 year olds community crayons - they break them because they have no ownership over it. However, our attempts to fix other peoples' cultures HAS had a negative impact on our own fellow countrymen. I would think that's incentive not to do it.

Trevor163 wrote:So, you think classic racist imagery is going to expand your base? I'm honestly curious how you think that might work.So, you think we're stupid enough to take tactical advice from our enemies? I'm honestly curious why you think that. Is it the prejudice you carry around in your head "White nationalists are all stupid redneck buffoons, it's easy to trick them". Or perhaps you're just used to cucks like Bill here, or every single writer at NRO, David French and Rod Dreher.Either way, what on Earth gives you the impression that we'd take advice from the likes of you? From people that so desperately want us to lose that they fill every thread with prophecies of our imminent demise?

If we're so doomed and impotent and stupid, why on Earth would you hang out here and talk with us?

The imagery of the blacks is classic savage/coon imagery used for generations for the purpose of denigrating and demeaning the entire race.

ok. its is unacceptable to be critical of black people because of slavery and Jim Crow, even if it is the truth. I know the Truth is offensive on its own, but we need to be very very very careful not to offend black people..........They might get angry and shoot us.

If there were any sort of organized opposition to the AltRight/Nationalsit/racist movement in the U.S. the first thing they would do is point everyone who will listen or look to this kind of messaging and make the point that the "AltRight/Nationalists are virulent racists who who clearly have the goal of demeaning and fomenting hatred against any non-white race and all you have to do to confirm that is look at this kind of imagery they are endorsing and using."

Hell, this is claimed about every cuckservative who still pisses himself at the thought of being labeled a racist. There is organized opposition to everything not socialist or radical now. Watch television some time.

What I am is aware that the nationalist strain in American politics is growing. And it interests me because I see both beneficial and harmful aspects to it. So, I look at this kind of imagery and I shake my head wondering why the Nationalists/AltRight/Racists appear to want to drive folks away from their message and agenda.

Those who pearl-clutch and head for the fainting couches already fear nationalism. Let's say for the sake of argument this image drives more people to the Alt-Right than it repels. You still would oppose it, right? You will have to concern troll better here.

"So, you think we're stupid enough to take tactical advice from our enemies? I'm honestly curious why you think that. Is it the prejudice you carry around in your head "White nationalists are all stupid redneck buffoons, it's easy to trick them". Or perhaps you're just used to cucks like Bill here, or every single writer at NRO, David French and Rod Dreher."

Your assumptions get the best of you, Snidely. The fact is I see a lot of brain power in the AltRight/Nationalist/Racist movement. Vox Day is pretty damn smart and he's not the only one.

So, it's interesting that someone as smart as Vox Day and others would push such a blatantly racist image when there is no hope of it advancing the agenda.

As for you, Snidely, I know you can't and won't make the case for using such imagery. Probably because you don't have the firepower to make the case and because even you know it's detrimental to just about any movement or cause.

"If we're so doomed and impotent and stupid, why on Earth would you hang out here and talk with us?"

When I was at University, I had a history professor who specialized and published in the area of the History of Marxism. He was no Marxist and he was no communist. Not in the least. However, he was interested in the movement and its history for what it taught us about social evolution and particularly its impact on the geopolotics of the 19th and 20th century. I also had a pasty white professor who specialized in the history of India. He was a white, christian male. He found the history of India fascinating.

I recognize the value the parts of the nationalist movement. I recognize that Vox Day and some of his commenters possess genuine insight into various issue impacting the United States. I don't think they are political geniuses, but they do have interesting insights from which I can profit. I also regularly read the NYT, the Economist, National Geographic, People Magazine and I like to watch both "Chopped" and "Game of Thrones".

"Those who pearl-clutch and head for the fainting couches already fear nationalism. Let's say for the sake of argument this image drives more people to the Alt-Right than it repels. You still would oppose it, right? You will have to concern troll better here."

Let's say for the sake of argument that this image causes squirrels to dance on Broadway.

The Nationalist strain in American politics isn't a bad thing. However, the Racist/nationalist strain (which is pretty darned small and has been continually decreasing for decades) has it wrong. I'm not a fainter at the sight of this imagery. I think it's harmful. But it's so rare and so ineffective that I don't really need a couch to catch me when I see it.

Good God! Where did you get a horse that high? Not only that but they are trying to be bigger faggots than me.

Docweasleycuck It's people like you (and your commenters, with the raw, hateful racism in comments like calling black kids "niglets")

I'll have you know I believed in equality before working at inner city hospitals for over 6 years, and encountered plenty of niglets before I became a realist.

as true racists detest being called out by other conservatives,

Even the gay conservative Chicago journalist who reported on Obama's bathhouse renting his backside out to old white guys says the race card is dead. http://hillbuzz.org/extreme-black-anger-in-chicago-at-obama-he-done-did-it-he-ruined-it-for-us-white-people-dont-feel-guilty-no-more-and-wont-do-stuff-for-us-now-64493

True. The black baby will be closer to an American. The white baby will be king of some place, which of course is very un-American

Actually if he doesn't learn how to pick out anti malarial plants like chimpanzees,(but not native blacks) not having sickle cell would put him at low chances of surviving malaria. The genes that give blacks 3X the kidney failure rate also give resistance to sleeping sickness.

read numerous reports of adopted or fostered Negro children attacking/raping their White parents, but strangely enough, when I search for such things

That Drudge is a racist unlike the people at (((google)))

2nd You are more culturally similar to modern Blacks than to barbarian Whites is specious in the extreme.

Those barbarian whites had to be smart enough to build shelter,& store enough food to last for winter, are their any blacks in real life that can both create and plan ahead?

Billy Why on earth would we want to do that? I, personally, view war, slavery, rape, and murder as bad things

How is importing black moslems from a place like Somalia that had Doctors without Borders flee their borders because of moslem savagery mess with that?

"ok. its is unacceptable to be critical of black people because of slavery and Jim Crow, even if it is the truth. I know the Truth is offensive on its own, but we need to be very very very careful not to offend black people."

It's easy to be critical of the black community without falling into blatantly bigoted and racist white crackery...which is what this image does.

I'm critical of Black culture and the community on a number of issues for a long time, but I can't bring myself to denigrate an entire people for simple being a people. That's nonsensical.

Trevor163 wrote:Your assumptions get the best of you, Snidely. The fact is I see a lot of brain power in the AltRight/Nationalist/Racist movement. Vox Day is pretty damn smart and he's not the only one.And yet, you think we will fall for this on weird trick. IT stopped working on us a long time ago. In fact, one could define the alt-Right as "People who are no longer concerned with appearing racist or sexist."

You see the intelligence, yet assume we're stupid.

So, it's interesting that someone as smart as Vox Day and others would push such a blatantly racist image when there is no hope of it advancing the agenda."When there is no hope of it advancing the agenda." Perhaps you are not as well studied as you think you are. Perhaps we see it actively advancing the agenda, not only in a particular discussion, but by moving the Overton Window, and giving voice to unspeakable thought held by the majority.

As for you, Snidely, I know you can't and won't make the case for using such imagery. Probably because you don't have the firepower to make the case and because even you know it's detrimental to just about any movement or cause.

No, I know no such thing. You know no such thing. You have been told it is. And we have all been told that in the past it was. That doesn't mean it must always be or still is detrimental.

Let's be scientific about this. After all, Science is our New God.

"Of course I'd criticize it....It's nonsensical to the extreme. But I can't make that statement without also pointing out that I oppose squirrels dancing on broadway."

Why do you hate squirrels so, Trevor?

So you admit that you would criticize even if it objectively worked. How would that criticism differ?

"So you admit that you would criticize even if it objectively worked. How would that criticism differ?"

If presented with this imagery in any context I would criticize it for the simple reason that it is harmful, nonsensical and demeaning for the sake of being demeaning. If in addition to being these things it "worked" to draw more people to Racist Nationalism than it did to make people recoil from Racist Nationalism then I'd likely take the time to more carefully discredit the image and the message behind it in front of a vastly different audience.

@133 Bill...You are being deliberately obtuse. When blacks more-or-less conformed to white culture, they were doing so because the vastly predominant white culture enforced it, both directly and indirectly. Blacks knew that if they got out of line there would be consequences, and the culture reinforced it. WIth the threat of force lurking in the background, all attitudes and inclinations could settle down and be low key.

Now those strictures have been erased, bringing destruction and chaos on a personal and societal level that never ends. What nobody wants to admit, is that the approach in the past gave a better life for the predominant numbers of both races.