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re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

You do know that you can get the polio virus and get over it with no lasting or even traumatic effects, right? In fact, the vast majority of people that contracted polio didn't really have any issues getting over the disease, much like measles (specifically in developed countries).

Oh? So maybe we should just let it run rampant again? Right? All it is is a bad flu! Right? There were 416 cases in 2013. Down from 335000 in 1985. Given that there are NO specific treatment. What does that mean? GET THE VACCINE! There is no logical reason to NOT get it. You have more of a reason to not to aspirin for a headache.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Lursa

Do you think then, that if your child is not vaccinated, that schools should be able to refuse them entry? Because realistically they are endangering other kids. (Again, no vaccine is 100% and there are also those kids that cannot be vaccinated.)

Ignoring that some cannot be vaccinated; and that the dummies that don't vaccinate their kids put infants and the elderly at risk.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Taylor

Risk of death from measles is quite small. An infant is at least 100 times more likely to die of SIDS and that's already fairly rare.

The risk of death from measles for infants is small because until recently, infants no longer came into contact with measles...it was almost eradicated from the US. Now it has been re-introduced and is circulating. So there is a much higher chance of them contracting it. And it is very dangerous for infants and can lead to blindness and other harm even if they dont die.

Originally Posted by Bucky

Welfare is a bad thing? It is essentially free money. It is not that bad.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I look at abortion the same way I do Pineapple Pizza.

Originally Posted by applejuicefool

A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

Nonsense.

I stated a fact. I thought the pro-vaccine crew liked facts. I guess not.

Whether you stated a fact or not is irrelevant, and was not what I posted. Your method for giving people 'natural immunity' is to expose them to a potentially life-threatening disease. This means that even if the survivors are 100% immune for the rest of their lives, the fact that some will not survive shows that your method is hardly the best.

Another fact that being ignored is vaccines are not 100% safe. That's a lie.

Every year, a significant amount of money is paid to people, by the US, for reported vaccine injuries.

It's a risk vs reward balance.

Your statistics page shows that 3,540 people were compensated for vaccine-related injuries or deaths since 1988. That's 136 people per year. For reference, over 300 people get struck by lightning in the US per year - 51 die. 150-200 people are killed - not merely injured - by food allergies in the US per year.

The later table puts it into even bigger perspective. Over the last 8 years, only 1,300 claims have been compensated from a grand total of almost 2 billion vaccinations.

It is indeed a risk vs reward balance. Practically zero risk, for an enormous reward.

The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

What happened is that people die from complications due to measles. Measles is pretty rare in the US given the headway MMR vaccinations have been able to make against it.

Possible, but highly implausible. We're dealing with simple child hood diseases. There were many when I was growing up in the 50's: chicken pox, mumps, 2 forms of measles. You got them, got the immunity, and you were good to go. I never heard of any fellow student having complications from the diseases. The only real complication I ever got was missing out on my classroom pictures, pictures that would have been valuable to me for old times sake, now, remembering days of long ago.

I also think that the government should provide a robust public health awareness program that includes regulation of the food industry and promotion of healthy lifestyles, so you're close.

The government should never dictate to its populace how it is supposed to live. I'm an exercise fanatic and seldom get sick, but if others don't want to exercise and think me a bit eccentric, that is their prerogative. If you force people to exercise, they will resist and get little from it. If citizens want to eat fatty, sugary foods, then let them. The government needs to butt out.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

How did that work out in the RvW Decision? Medical privacy trumps your paranoia.

Back to that 'greater good' thing tho, abortion has no negative affects on society (that I'm aware of) yet epidemics do. Aside from body count, the effects on the economy and even national security are profound.

Originally Posted by Bucky

Welfare is a bad thing? It is essentially free money. It is not that bad.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I look at abortion the same way I do Pineapple Pizza.

Originally Posted by applejuicefool

A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

I blame the anti-science hippies and the anti-science christian fundies for this nonsense. I've never seen such ideologically different groups being so collectively responsible for widespread stupidity.

You forgot the middle aged housewives who read blogs.

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.