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Buck McKeon, Chairman of the Armed Service Committe, and Rep. Mac Thornberry offer these reassuring words to the gullible masses, who believe what their rulers tell them.

Dispelling Myths and Misinformation About NDAA

Washington – Armed Services Committee Members Reps. Mac Thornberry (R-TX) and Tim Griffin (R-AR) each firmly clarified and dismissed myths and misinformation about the National Defense Authorization Act and the detainee provisions in the conference report. Griffin’s radio segment and Thornberry’s thorough blog post on the matter are both included below:
“Griffin clears up the myths and misinformation of detainee language in the NDAA”

Rep. Mac Thornberry, December 15, 2011: There has been a fair amount of inaccurate information and misunderstanding about the final version of the Defense Authorization Bill (NDAA), which passed the House yesterday. The bill provides pay and benefits for our troops, buys the weapons and equipment they need, and funds research to help meet future threats. It is an important bill to pass because it helps carry out the first job of the federal government – our national defense.

There are some misunderstandings related to two provisions involving the detention of Al Qaeda terrorists. Over the past decade, the United States has detained members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated groups when they have been captured on the battlefield. In fact, some were released and had to be recaptured or killed because they went back to killing American soldiers. Both the Bush and Obama Administrations have detained those individuals who are members of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated groups, and the courts have affirmed the ability to do so under the U.S. Constitution. But, the specific authorization for detention was inferred from the Authorization to Use Military Force; it was not explicitly stated in statute.

But, how does the United States know whether someone is a member of Al Qaeda, the Talaban or an associated group, if the accused is not given a trial, no witnesses, no contact with the outside world and no attorney?

Are you, the reader, a member of an “associated group”? No? The President says you are, and there is no way you will be allowed prove otherwise. Go straight to an offshore, military jail – forever.

Some people have argued that these provisions allow a President to detain American citizens within the United States indefinitely if he brands them a terrorist. That is not true.

Here are two specific provisions from the bill. Read them yourself.

SUBTITLE D. SEC. 1021. (p. 655)
(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
SUBTITLE D. SEC. 1022. (p. 657)
(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody
under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

If words have meaning, that is about as clear as English can get.

Some of the misunderstanding arose because there have been several versions of the bill language and previous versions did not have all of the protections that were in the final bill. Other misunderstanding came because some groups do not agree with current law. Some of them believe that all Al Qaeda terrorists should have the full constitutional rights of an American citizen, including the right to consult a lawyer, even on the battlefield.

Nonsense. A real straw man. Who has asked for a lawyer on the battlefield? Oh, yes, I forgot. Now all of America is considered a battlefield. The misleading phrase, “war on terrorism” is twisted to indicate there is an actual war in America. It’s a perfect demonstration of how familiar words can be corrupted to deceive. And again, how does one know if a person is an Al Qaeda terrorist, if no evidence is presented?

And really, do you feel it’s O.K for America to deny basic rights to someone who is not a citizen. It is all right for the President to point at a non-citizen and announce, “You are going to a secret prison, forever”? Is this what being a patriotic American means?

Those debates will continue. But the purpose of this bill was to put into statute the current legal standard agreed upon by two administrations and the courts. I’m afraid that some well-intentioned people have been agitated for reasons that just don’t exist. That does not mean that Congress should not continue to examine this issue. There may be legislative improvements that need to be made. We must protect Americans from Al Qaeda and other terrorists and at the same time protect our individual rights and liberties under the Constitution. We can do both.

Did you see anything about evidence or trial or innocent-until-proven-guilty? I didn’t. And note the little weasel word “requirement.” The requirementmay not extend to citizens, but what about the option? What specifically prevents the military from detaining a person in miliary custody? Nothing. Certainly not the Constitution, since that document now is considered obsolete by Congress, the President and the military.

Further, what is the sudden need for this? Haven’t we been told that bin Laden is dead and Al Qaeda is weakened and on the run. Why, after all these years of successfully battling and weakening Al Qaeda, suddenly Congress decides to do away with Habeas Corpus?

I’ll tell you where I believe this comes from: The combination of Arab spring and #Occupy Wall Street makes the powers-that-be nervous. They want to be able to arrest all those messy “trouble-makers” – you know, those crowds of people demanding justice – without the inconvenience of probable cause, evidence and trials. Just clap those folks into a military prison, preferably somewhere out of the country, and that will solve the “war” problem.

Don’t believe the “patriotic” stories you will be fed. Don’t believe, for instance, that some innocent Muslim somehow acquired a bomb loaded plane to crash into the Pentagon, as the newspapers reported. Don’t believe this bill is for the purpose of defending America against terrorists. It’s all a sham to keep you under control. Stalin would be proud.

As I said in the previous post, it will be interesting to see how our “originalist,” right-wing, Supreme Court justices feel about it — you know, those guys claim to know what the founding fathers wanted.

Ben Franklin was a founding father. He said those who would trade security for freedom deserve neither.

My prediction: There will be lots more twisting, turning and squirming, where you will be told “up” really means “down,” and lies are truth.

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Been hearing a lot about this one. To be honest, I don’t see anything wrong with the law itself…

Firstly, according to my reading of the law (at least what’s above), OWS wouldn’t have anything to worry about as they are in the United States.

Secondly, I think it’s common knowledge that when you go overseas, the Constitution no longer applies to you. It’s the law of our land, not the law of all lands. Our military, if operating overseas with the permission of another country, would have to obey that country’s laws, not our own. And in a wartime scenario, we always have to obey the Geneva Conventions. As long as our military does that, no problem.

The point I agree with you on is the ambiguous nature of a “War On Terrorism.” If the NDAA is to be used constitutionally, I would think that war would have to be formally declared by Congress. And even if they do or don’t, a war against a tactic (terrorism) still provides too much wiggle room for abuse in my opinion.

This bill is the most outrageous example of–representatives and senators-Gone Wild.
This is a very sad day in America, and our Founders must be so grievous over this as they watch this spectacle.

So many have misread sections 1031&1032
READ THE BILL as it is WRITTEN not PARAPHRASE!!!
The issue is the phrasing of section 1031 (e):
“(e) AUTHORITIES.—Noting in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities,relating to the detention of United States citizens”
key wording here being “CONSTRUED”!!!!

Only the Supreme Court has the ability to “CONSTRUED” the law. So what does that mean for you? The government can lodge an ACUSATION against a citizen and detain you indefinitely without due process.That means any “evidence” can be lodged against you and it won’t matter given you are without due process, if they believe you assisted in terrorist activities!!!

This is why there is uproar over this piece of legislation. You can be detained and held indefinite.Ultimately someone acting on your behalf would have to run the constitutionality of this bill up to the Supreme Court for them to “CONSTRUE” the bill–

Section 1032 has noting to do with Section 1031–Section 1032 is just a :subset).

Nowhere in section 1031and1032 does it say “IMPRISON” it says
“DETAIN)-
“Physically. in terms of where you hold these people,you cannot hold them indefinitely, domestically,inside the US,in the same “Facility as somebody charged with a Penal crime,

What’ll happen is that this will be nightmare for the military to administer,the military doesn’t have that many prisons or holding facilities–nobody has idea how this will work.

Within the US, there is Fort Leavenworth,in Kansas,and the military brig in Charleston,South Carolina,neither of which have much capacity for such operations.

I say there is a cynical view that calls these provisions the “Keep Guantanmo Open” provisions and that the idea is that just about the only place you could send them is Guantanamo:

Most people today in the US remember only what they read today or hear and tomorrow they have a memory loss.

When it comes to our citizens being detained in other countries without due process, no figure can muster outrage like the US politican.Remember the case of the “three American hikers”–held and detain without trial –in IRAN

Now we have the same law as they do in IRAN here in US for our citizens.

Before this bill H.R 1540 became law there was a senate bill S.1867-and it was a rush bill and dated on 1 Nov 2011 and brought to the senate floor.

In section 1031–last par–read as (e) Requirement-for briefings of Congress-The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section,including the organization,entities,and individuals considered to be covered persons’for purposes of subsection (b)(2)

While most peole were out on Thanksgivng Shopping and Christmas Shopping
section 1031 was change as it reads now—(e)AUTHORITIES