Takeaway forced to close early 'because late opening is adding to crime'

A TAKEAWAY will be forced to close early for a fortnight after police complained that its late opening was adding to crime in the town centre.

Spice Hut, in Bradshawgate, will now have to shut at 11pm for two weeks after councillors said the owners had shown a “blatant disregard” for their licence, which tells them to close at 4am.

PC Andrew Vernon told a town hall hearing yesterday he had evidence of seven incidents which took place at the takeaway after 4am, including an attack that left one customer needing seven stitches on their head.

He said: “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Other incidents after 4am included fighting inside the shop, racially aggravated abuse at staff and reports of a woman banging on the window trying to fight two others inside.

During the hearing, PC Vernon showed CCTV evidence of the takeaway with people entering and ordering food until 4.30am — and after the owners switched the lights off inside after 4.20am.

On other occasions the shop was spotted serving customers until 5.48am.

Spice Hut owner Muhammad Chohan said it was difficult to ask people to leave his takeaway when they have had a lot to drink.

He said: “If the food is not served to those waiting I would face many problems from the customers, especially if they are the influence of alcohol.

“There have been times when people have been present even after my permitted hours and I do my best to ask them to leave without causing any problems.”

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PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.I, Ludicrous

I, Ludicrous wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.

Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.

Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!!

[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.[/p][/quote]If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.
Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.
Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!!clitheroe blue boy

I, Ludicrous wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.

Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.

Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!!

No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.

[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.[/p][/quote]If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.
Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.
Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!![/p][/quote]No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.I, Ludicrous

I, Ludicrous wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.

Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.

Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!!

No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.

I agree the root f the problem needs addressing, and yes these thugs who go and fight need punishing. Unfortunately there are just not enough Police to be everywhere.

I had the misfortune of being in Bolton town centre a few weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was full of drunken idiots and I saw 3 fights, luckily there were Police walking up and down Bradshawgate who dealt with it and made a few arrests.

I've been to quite a few northern towns for a night out over the years, and I've never seen as many Police in the town centres as there are in Bolton.
I was also shocked to see that a couple of takeaways had bouncers? I didn't realise Bolton town centre was that bad?

Maybe one of the problems is that several bars/pubs are open until 6am? Members of Bolton council need to go and see for themselves what a Saturday night is like in town?

One things for sure, I won't be frequenting Bradshawgate anytime soon.

[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.[/p][/quote]If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.
Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.
Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!![/p][/quote]No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.[/p][/quote]I agree the root f the problem needs addressing, and yes these thugs who go and fight need punishing. Unfortunately there are just not enough Police to be everywhere.
I had the misfortune of being in Bolton town centre a few weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was full of drunken idiots and I saw 3 fights, luckily there were Police walking up and down Bradshawgate who dealt with it and made a few arrests.
I've been to quite a few northern towns for a night out over the years, and I've never seen as many Police in the town centres as there are in Bolton.
I was also shocked to see that a couple of takeaways had bouncers? I didn't realise Bolton town centre was that bad?
Maybe one of the problems is that several bars/pubs are open until 6am? Members of Bolton council need to go and see for themselves what a Saturday night is like in town?
One things for sure, I won't be frequenting Bradshawgate anytime soon.clitheroe blue boy

I, Ludicrous wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

If Mr Mohammed Chohan is trying to run an honest business as you quote, maybe he should hire a cleaner. The place is a hovel. Go and order yourself a pizza from the place the next time your on Bradshawgate. Stay near the toilet if you do.

[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.[/p][/quote]If Mr Mohammed Chohan is trying to run an honest business as you quote, maybe he should hire a cleaner. The place is a hovel. Go and order yourself a pizza from the place the next time your on Bradshawgate. Stay near the toilet if you do.calvin street

Pathetic and laconic policing of our town gives the drunken perpetrators open licence to wander the streets unchecked. The shop owner has been rightly penalised for not abiding with his licence conditions. The drunken revellers will find somewhere else create havoc. Hopefully the 'Bobby' will be there to report them!

Pathetic and laconic policing of our town gives the drunken perpetrators open licence to wander the streets unchecked. The shop owner has been rightly penalised for not abiding with his licence conditions. The drunken revellers will find somewhere else create havoc. Hopefully the 'Bobby' will be there to report them!Allan_Hogan

Smeagol wrote:
What a misleading title for this article. It's having to close early because it's not abiding by its licence, not because of crime.

Thanks. It's been changed. It is good that BN reads people's comments and responds.

[quote][p][bold]Smeagol[/bold] wrote:
What a misleading title for this article. It's having to close early because it's not abiding by its licence, not because of crime.[/p][/quote]Thanks. It's been changed. It is good that BN reads people's comments and responds.Smeagol

I, Ludicrous wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.

“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”

Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?

It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,

To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.

People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.

If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.

Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.

Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!!

No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.

I agree the root f the problem needs addressing, and yes these thugs who go and fight need punishing. Unfortunately there are just not enough Police to be everywhere.

I had the misfortune of being in Bolton town centre a few weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was full of drunken idiots and I saw 3 fights, luckily there were Police walking up and down Bradshawgate who dealt with it and made a few arrests.

I've been to quite a few northern towns for a night out over the years, and I've never seen as many Police in the town centres as there are in Bolton.
I was also shocked to see that a couple of takeaways had bouncers? I didn't realise Bolton town centre was that bad?

Maybe one of the problems is that several bars/pubs are open until 6am? Members of Bolton council need to go and see for themselves what a Saturday night is like in town?

One things for sure, I won't be frequenting Bradshawgate anytime soon.

Sad to say that the whole town centre is a complete f**king hovel, infested by d1ckhead5, p155 artistes, tramps, louts, drunks, slappers, scammers, whores, drug dealers, druggies, professional criminals of all denominations and low-life scum of the worst kind.

It's filthy, it stinks, the pavements are covered in chewing gum, dog 5h1t, p155 up back alleys and door ways and is completely unkept.

It's dog 5h1t central and it's getting worse by the day. Even Stevie Wonder can see that!

Most of the shops are horrendous and completely unwelcoming. What used to be John Willies on the corner of Great Moor Street is a disgrace, as is what used to be Subway opposite Prestons of Bolton.

If there is a competition for England's most horrendous town centre, then sadly Bolton will win hands down and hold the title for ever.

It's over run with takeaway after takeaway selling 5hite of the first order, charity shops like they are going out of fashion, pound shops galore, and the majority of people wandering around look like they could do with a good scrub with carbolic soap and disinfectant and then in a sheep dip for good measure.

I was born and bred in Bolton, still live here sadly, and can't believe what it's ended up like.

Iraq, Iran, Beirut, Afghanistan, the Favelas in Brazil are better than this place.

Nip up the road in to Bury town centre and it's as if you are a world away from this hole.

Is there an answer? Yes there is - move away from the place.

[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote:
PC Andrew Vernon said “On June 13 there was a wounding — one of the most serious types of assault — after an argument inside the takeaway.
“If that premises was closed, it might not have happened.”
Are you sure you're in the right job here, Flower?
It might not have happened, Sherlock, if there were more Rozzers on the beat who were more evident in potential hotspots, and if licenced bar owners didn't serve alcohol to people that aren't in any fit state in the first place,
To even attempt to apportion blame for the actions of the drunk and lawless unto Mr Muhammad Chohan, a man clearly trying to run an honest business in evidently trying circumstances and to use him as a scapegoat to mask GMP's shortcomings on the grounds that he's serving food, that's food - not alcohol, after hours really is a new nadir for what is already one of the most egregious Police services in Britain.
People stay out of town now because it's an unsafe environment - that is not the fault of takeaway owners.[/p][/quote]If the takeaway had shut on time, there wouldn't have been the assault, as nobody would have been in the shop to have a fight with,simples. If these places all closed on time, the drunken idiots would all go home quicker and not lingering on the streets.
Why should the Spice Hut stay open past it's licence hours when others close on time? If they want to open longer, then apply to do so like every other town centre business.
Mr Chohan said it was hard to get the customers to leave. At 5.48am almost 2 hours past his closing time? He needs a better chef if it takes that long for a burger!![/p][/quote]No, that's right. There'd have been a fight in the taxi queue instead. It's the root that needs addressing here. What you're saying simply moves the problem on without addressing it.[/p][/quote]I agree the root f the problem needs addressing, and yes these thugs who go and fight need punishing. Unfortunately there are just not enough Police to be everywhere.
I had the misfortune of being in Bolton town centre a few weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was full of drunken idiots and I saw 3 fights, luckily there were Police walking up and down Bradshawgate who dealt with it and made a few arrests.
I've been to quite a few northern towns for a night out over the years, and I've never seen as many Police in the town centres as there are in Bolton.
I was also shocked to see that a couple of takeaways had bouncers? I didn't realise Bolton town centre was that bad?
Maybe one of the problems is that several bars/pubs are open until 6am? Members of Bolton council need to go and see for themselves what a Saturday night is like in town?
One things for sure, I won't be frequenting Bradshawgate anytime soon.[/p][/quote]Sad to say that the whole town centre is a complete f**king hovel, infested by d1ckhead5, p155 artistes, tramps, louts, drunks, slappers, scammers, whores, drug dealers, druggies, professional criminals of all denominations and low-life scum of the worst kind.
It's filthy, it stinks, the pavements are covered in chewing gum, dog 5h1t, p155 up back alleys and door ways and is completely unkept.
It's dog 5h1t central and it's getting worse by the day. Even Stevie Wonder can see that!
Most of the shops are horrendous and completely unwelcoming. What used to be John Willies on the corner of Great Moor Street is a disgrace, as is what used to be Subway opposite Prestons of Bolton.
If there is a competition for England's most horrendous town centre, then sadly Bolton will win hands down and hold the title for ever.
It's over run with takeaway after takeaway selling 5hite of the first order, charity shops like they are going out of fashion, pound shops galore, and the majority of people wandering around look like they could do with a good scrub with carbolic soap and disinfectant and then in a sheep dip for good measure.
By comparison, Shameless looks like it's Henly-on-Thames compared to this god forsaken fillthy dog house.
I was born and bred in Bolton, still live here sadly, and can't believe what it's ended up like.
Iraq, Iran, Beirut, Afghanistan, the Favelas in Brazil are better than this place.
Nip up the road in to Bury town centre and it's as if you are a world away from this hole.
Is there an answer? Yes there is - move away from the place.wsw69