>Current System Based on your income (or parents income), you may or may not have access to higher education and healthcare.

>Improved system Regardless of your income, you have a base right access to higher education and healthcare.

Its not about being dependent. Its about the government providing for ALL of its people rather than leaving them to fend for themselves in an incredibly broken system. Sure, some people make it in that broken system, but a very VERY large number of people do not. The governments job is to right that wrong.

>>648370471>you have a base right access to higher education and healthcare>its your right>on an island of 10 people if one of them is a teacher they MUST teach you what they know if you want it's your right>if one of them is a doctor they MUST treat your injuries and diseases it's your right

the old "what's yours is mine" mentality of highschool kids to ignorant 20somethings.

>>648371635Of course you cannot go and expect to receive things that you have not worked for or deserve on a general basis. But when a government, which you pay 25% of your income too, says and rules that you have the right on certain things, then you have the right.

>>648371826Which was the stupid person's viewpoint again? Was it someone that thinks anyone else HAS to do something for them or someone who recognizes no one has to do anything for them?

>>648372173It isn't a right unless you're doing it yourself, it's a service. No one has to do any service for you.

And you think 25% of your income is bad? In countries that do have free schooling and healthcare it isn't uncommon for regular people to pay 60% or more of their income in taxes. 25% becomes their sales tax.

in a democracy the majority should have the power to change laws or change the structure of government . if the majority do not want government assistance programs then it will change. regardless of bernie sanders , the billionaires are buying the politicians , which is undermining what little say the people have. if we want the banks and wall street and corporate america to made decisions for everyone then we are headed on the right path.

its also clear when you hear bernie speak that he is not a politician in the normal sense , he is a political activist who has always stood up for the poor and middle class. he is not corrupted by big money. theres nothing wrong with disagreeing with his views , but its hard to not respect the honest , its rare in washington. he walks picket lines with factory workers , while hillary and donald trump are in private jets. pick your master but choose wisely.

>>648372899If the law tells you to do a service for me, then you have to. The declaration of human rights is a good example of rights that are criminal to neglect. And i never even implied anything bad about it, so i think you are projecting it from somewhere else ?

taxes have to be raised , spending has to be cut , bernie has big ideas , expensive ideas , but still the reality is the the billionaire class is sucking up to much of the wealth. what do you do with the billionaire families who continually such more and more and more money out of the system ? the question really is , how much money can the take 1% have before it either destroys the economy , or turns the middle class into a slave class? the middle class needs wealth to support big business. this has nothing to do with bernie sanders , this is economics and reality. bernie is trying to educate the people and exposing the flaws of capitalism . the tax payers bailed out the banks , why cant they pay 30 cent tax on every hundred dollars they invest to cover the costs of education for the people? i dont see it as being an unreasonable idea

people make money in different ways , some get lucky and create massive wealth like zuckerberg , some win the lottery , some inherit their fortunes from daddy. so i dont buy into the idea that all the wealthy people are hard working. its a subjective argument , does a man digging ditches in the heat work harder than donald trump? donald trump might be more educated , but its just how you want to look at the question.

100% wrong on every level. you have no fucking idea what youre talking about. what do you call a road you fucking moron? or plumbing? water supply? these are day to day needs human beings have that the government provides.

>>648375760I am not saying this person works harder than another. I am just saying that you get what you work for. It doesn't matter how hard you work on something it matters what you work for. There will never be any way to equalize that. People need to suck it up and the government is not the answer

Or how about this; The person who inherited money from "daddy" had a father who worked hard and left their children lots of money to ensure that their children and their children's children, would never have to want or need, would never have to go without. That "daddy" provided a quality of life for his lineage for generations to come, and you want to steal that man's life's work? Because your "daddy" was never good enough to make that happen for you?

Pathetic.

Can the CEO of GM build a car? Probably not, but he can run a company. Can the mechanic at GM who builds a car run the company? Probably not, but he can build a car. Does the mechanic deserve as much money as the CEO who runs the entire mother fucking operation? Obviously not.

sure gm needs its workers to continue to turn a profit , so define work and define hard . the truth is , we dont pick our parents when we are born , we dont pick our genetics , no matter what you have to have people to do menial work , you need janitors and trash men . since you need these people , why do they deserve a fraction of what other people make if they are a piece of society that is needed to function. even if we all have degrees from colleges , someone has to wipe up puke or shit in mcdonalds bathrooms. if we can agree on that , tell me why these people deserve so little. it does matter because the conservative or libertarian loves to say that hard work matters , if you dont work hard you dont deserve anything. well many wealthy people dont work at all , they hire people to run their businesses and continue to suck up more and more wealth. define these words your using and maybe we can agree. wiping up shit for 8 hours a day would be hard work , playing golf all day while your a ceo of a business , is not as hard. yes one has an education , they other does not.

>>648374239toppest of kek, read the wealth of nations and then compare that to capital and then maybe we can talk about communism. The government is not some ontologized entity you dipshit, it's people just like everyone else. Communism is explicitly a system designed to create a government that ensures everyone has equality.

>>648377365I never said that the people deserve little. I am saying that they don't deserve the government giving it to them if they couldn't make it. Not to be cruel, but everything else in nature is survival of the fittest

>>648374239By this exact logic, how is 99% of people being the pawns of big business and billionaires who own the government in any way superior to a government by the ruled for the ruled? inb4 "America is democratic!! Capitalism is democratic!!" It's not.

its hard to justify the unregulated capitalist system in america. its not moral compared to what we teach our kids or how we treat our family. you wouldnt charge your brother 10% on a loan or when your splitting up a pizza , you take 10 slices and give him 1. so we treat family different than how our economic system works. there is a logical flaw here. we teach our kids to share , we dont tell them to try and get as much of the toys as they can and make sure the other kids do not have any toys. its easy to pick apart capitalism , capitalism has turned into corporatism now. they buy up the representatives and do not represent the common man anymore. look at almost all the major issues , republicans and democrats agree on many things , but the politicans have to get the ok from their sponsors before they pass bills. the system is corrupt and its getting worse.

>>648370471Americans aren't concerned with the common good. They backstab and blame one another and take no collective responsibility for their society's problems. It's always someone else's fault. That goes for rich, poor, black, white, ALL Americans. Bunch of dindu nuffins trampling one another for a dollar while their infrastructure crumbles.

>>648381254But anon, being less financially equal with your neighbors does, in fact, not make you more equal. I had to read the question a couple of times, but yep, it was as retarded as I first thought it to be. I'm not politically inclined, but this has tussled my jewbobs.

>>648382046No, that's literally what he thinks. If you don't understand that, you are uneducated.

>Taxes are going to be a damn lot higher than they are now!He said this about the middle and upper class, not the 1%. Yet all he spouts is how he's going to save the middle class with his policies.Save them by bleeding them out, I suppose.

>>648370471>>648371110>>648371158>>648371635>>648372173>>648378182>>648380233In Argentina the current government took the country out of a crisis, and 12 years ago (when thing were seriously fucked up) they started giving out money so that the people didn't starve, and it was necesary. the guy that was president was a bastard but and intelligent bastard. He died from a heart attack and left his wife at power, Cristina, a complete bitch that instead of trying to develop the country continued to just give out money to poor people to keep winning the elections. That's called CLIENTELISM. But the thing is, that we have a lot of free stuff, like education (University of Buenos Aires is probably the best school in latin america) or health, and that's out of the question, I mean, those things are gonna be free forever, and if someone says they should be privatized, he's just crazy. And that's why we think you are weird. We couldn't believe that poor people had to pay to get quality medical attention, or quality education in a country that's like 100 times richer than us.

>>648381893>more equalIs that the part your inferior intellect has trouble understand?It's an extremely easy question to comprehend, most of the people here have had no problem understanding it.>>648382091That's not the question, the question is how does being strictly inferior to government officials make me more equal than having less money than my neighbors.Not having the same amount of money doesn't make us unequal, being under the oppressive rules and regulations of a big brother Socialist government does make us ALL less equal.

>>648382732Why would we want a strictly inferior system that has been proven to not work?Why would we want to degrade our system?Why would we want to change what made America the #1 power in the world?

>>648383079Because you still have severe internal problems, like guys that don't fit in that consumist and climbing society that just go crazy, goverment sell them guns like candy, and kill 11 in a university

>>648382849Why does it matter if people are equal? As a capitalist nation, isn't our will-to-power system working as things are? The reason the rich have more money is generally because they are more educated, they worked harder, or their ancestors did these things, in which case their efforts are simply still paying off, which seems ethical enough to me. After all, we all started on the equal playing-field of buttfuck africa. There's a reason we ended up where we are now.

>>648384268So if someone was kicking you in the balls all day would you continue to let them?Don't like the wages you are given, go out and improve your life and make more money, lazy fucks.I worked minimum wage living on my own while going to college fulltime. I did it with no assistance. I took out loans, bought all my books, paid all my own bills. Anyone saying they can't is just lazy.

do you know how many "hard working" wealthy people don't know how to use computers? how can you work hard and not know how to send email. it's not realistic. wealth generates wealth in the amounts possessed by the 1%. they were born on 3rd base and act like they hit a home run. it probably wouldn't even be an issue if the gap in quality and access to modern day essentials wasn't so large and vulgar.

If you have less money than another citizen, you're obviously not equal to him. If you have the same amount of money, but are simply dependent on the government to give that money to you, then that doesn't really matter as far as equality goes. Where your money came from is immaterial.

>>648384783Just ignore the parts that don't suit your liberal arguments. You get what you put in. If you work minimum wage and the only extra work you put in outside of work is protesting that you don't make enough, you will never achieve more.

If you got a C in a class in school, did you continue doing what you were doing that obviously wasn't working? No, you worked harder to get more.

You're encouraging the "pay everyone more, that will fix everything" attitude that is a proven failure.

the problem is that if you take that view eventually we become feudal where we have NO social mobility because the few at the top control SO MUCH that it is neigh impossible to move significantly up.

People should be given equal opportunity to get to the top, if they are lazy then they are poor, if they work hard they get rich. Rather than what we have now which is, if you grand father worked hard you get a head start on life and encourages degeneracy and the like we saw in the fall of Rome.

This is great, no one cared about Sanders a few months ago and now we have these fools trying to discredit him. He has a real chance if these dumb rednecks and posting about how they don't understand his policy.

This fucker wants to give felons the right to vote and make it illegal to ask or investigate a potential hires criminal past. This fuckers wants a presumption of sexism against employers and wants small businesses to provide paid vacations to all workers and months of paid family leave for women who have babies. Thrn wants free day care preschool college..all while disinsentivising wealthy from working or investing..enjoy the depression of this ass fuck gets elected. It will make 1929 look like the late 90s tech boom.

>>648385380You don't have to believe me. It has nothing to do with luck. I was turning wrenches in a garage and was tired of being greasy and sore all the time. I applied for a job with an IT firm at the entry level and worked my ass off. When we went to buy our competitor, I bought in. I continued to buy in over time. It is not that fucking hard

>>648385695>ThisFor my health insurance, life insurance, dental insurance, eyewear insurance I pay less than 100 bucks a month. That is 100% affordable. The people complaining about the cost are working highschooler jobs with no ambition to climb any higher.

>>648386524Funny, I'm in NY too. I make around 60k. IF they are paying for children too, that does make insurance premiums go up, but those are the choices people need to make in life before having kids, and I don't mean that in an insulting way.

The problem are these ethnic groups who don't think, have 4 kids, then wonder how they can afford all this shit. Having kids is a chice you make, if you can barely afford to live yourself, how the fuck are you going to afford a kid too?

>>648385938So what you're saying is, if you weren't lucky enough to get that job at your IT firm, you'd still be greasy and sore all the time. Yes, I'm sure you worked your ass off, but so do a lot of people, and it was sheer luck that you ended up better off than they did.

>>648387024If I didn't get that job, I would have kept looking for the next one. I am always looking for what I can do to improve my situation. I will never be happy, and I will never give up. Maybe that is the difference

>>648386579Why in the world would a private company spend their own money making a road, or a sewer system, or anything else they have no way to get paid for? If you expect people to pay to use these things, then there's only a limited amount of space to put roads/sewer systems/etc..., so how do we decide which company gets to build and maintain a road at which place?

>>648387125That's a slippery slope though. What about food, transportation, etc? In the end, everything except entertainment goods are needed. Not everyone can have the things they want.

Why is it all these people in these videos in crack houses and drug riddled areas have kids ll with beats headphones and air jordans on, covered in tattoos? They chose to spend their money on foolish things, then come around with their hands out saying the government does nothing for them. We're raised a generation of entitlements where people think they are owed everything and take no personal responsibilities, and do nothing to better themselves and choose to blame society that they chose a life of gangbanging over paying attention in school.

>>648387655Sanders will fix that! He'll make sure he gets everything he needs. What's that, see your paychecks getting taxes harder, well, we needed to make sure out good friend gets all his shit free, you can spot him, right?

>>648388513No assumptions needed. There is a class system in place for a reason. No one wants to clean toilets or flip burgers. Those jobs are for scum who take no pride in themselves and don't want nice things in life. Everyone has free school until 18. Do good in it and you can further yourself. We all make choices, people need to start owning up to how they chose to live.

>>648387976> If you expect people to pay to use these things, then there's only a limited amount of space to put roads/sewer systems/etc..., so how do we decide which company gets to build and maintain a road at which place?

Also, the government still subsidizes all that stuff quite heavily. If it didn't, very few people would be able to afford those tolls and disposal fees.

"Privatized" something does NOT mean that something is NOT available to the masses. That double think.

You seriously, seriously, need to understand what people are referring to when the want things "privatized".

There's (in America) the "public sector" and the the "private sector". Go do some homework on them.

If I say were to say I want the public sector out of education and defunded. And in exchange I want the money to be given to the private sector for education. That does NOT mean education wouldn't still be available to the masses just because it's now been "privatized".

You're conflating the definitions of "private" in terms of "this is my private (personal) property", as versus "private" referring to systems and business owned by private citizens within the "private sector"

>>648388423>It will always work out if you have initiative>I don't understand scarcity>or simple supply & demand>or anything related to economics of any scale>I attribute all of the luck & privilege in my life to skillTypicalRepublican.txt

>>648388859They subsidize it because they tax everything else so heavily. Think about what happens to $100 when it is passed down through employees and back into the next business. There is nothing left. That is why everyone is so but hurt about offshore accounts

>>648389249I went to school with my own money, living on my own. Worked fulltime a near minimum wage job that I also worked fulltime. I now make a modest 60+k a year. I did this with 0 help from the government or parents or anything.

Please explain your bullshit. None of it was blind luck, family connections, etc. I worked VERY hard and got my reward for doing so.

>>648389224>>648389249Scarcity? Fucking move.Supply and demand? Find a different skillEconomics of any scale? Fuck offI had no luck, there is no such think as luck. You are just butt hurt that you have no luck either.

>>648389443We need to crack down on it. I'm not saying we need to give handouts but there should be a system in place to help American citizens because not everyone receives the same opportunity. Not a bunch of fucking leeches, but people who actually deserve help.

>>648387720The point is to find an acceptable middle ground between anarchy and authoritarianism.Somewhere where society runs smoother.No nation is absolutely one way or the other, everyone is trying to find the sweet spot in some way.

>>648390251>vocational trainingThis especially. If you're just some dumb nigger who would turn that down then you don't deserve any sort of help. We just need to make it a little easier because not everyone is born into the the same situation.

>>648369828if america can shit away trillions of dollars on losing wars you can take money from that and shit it away on actual americans. SO theres that end of your statement. Second with government bail outs and all the corporate subsidizies that companies get this just evens the playing field with corporations. But if you wanna say no to all that and continue to let your rights be trampled on by corporations and the rich go ahead. Be the mindless drone that they want you to be.

I'm not sure if actually agree with that sentiment but you do know that if you are sick in the US and need to go to the hospital they don't turn you away right? Its been like that for YEARS. Go to any hospital, any, and you'll see a sign in the lobby that says "we will care for you if you unable to pay, without insurance, without proof of citizenship, etc etc".

Niggercare wasn't, and never will be able "getting healthcare to those that don't have it". EVERYONE has had the ability get health care in this country. What you're referring to is not the "right to see someone", but rather the "right to something you don't have". In this case it's not health CARE, it's health INSURANCE.

Note the difference.

Not only that, but the issue is far more complicated than that. Heath INSURANCE was never "OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE AND NO ONE COULD AFFORD IT". That's a myth, a lie, a fucking cooked up, socialist buzz phrase cooked up by the progressive left.

The idea was to get Health Insurance to those who were denied Insurance because a pre-existing condition. Something which did need to be looked, for sure.

What you libtards got was significantly HIGHER monthly health insurance premiums for significantly more working Americans in exchange for giving insurance to people who simply didn't want it (the 20 somethings) to begin with or never bothered looking what plans were out there.

All in all, the system of nigger care is designed to do this; make insurance radically expensive, make it so the providers cant pay for the increase cost imposed on them by the government in hopes they go under, and the government will jump in later and say "we need a single payer system" (go look up Jonathan Gruber). It's designed to FAIL, so we get Canada care, which in case you haven't noticed; it sucks ass,that's why Canadians come HERE to get care and pay OUT OF POCKET.

>>648391325Ah, watch the wild and wonderful whites of west Virginia sometime, to see what it is like for a big chunk of the nation, rather some place where you can get a job that gives you health insurance.>Inb4 move, you cannot do that with no resources.

>>648391558the majority of the federal budget is towards welfare, not wars. if you take away corporate subsidies the burden of this will be levied onto the consumer.your rights aren't trampled by corporations, it is trampled by the state.

jesus fucking christ, sandersfags are so economically illiterate it is insane.

All the while you libfucks go around preaching about you altruistic jerk fantasies of "we to help people who can afford blah blah blah blah, it's a right".

So you run around thinking you're doing whats right and people like Gruber who authored the bill looks these libfucks and say "it's the stupidity of the American voter, and Id rather have this bill than not".

Yes, in time - we'll see how far uninformed altruistic intentions supported by the ignorant masses truly get us.

>>648391746They will never listen. I used to be a liberal when I was working minimum wage and doing nothing.

And what it got me was continuing to work a minimum wage job. I made a change and sucked it up, got loans, worked hard as shit and am now set in a career and am pretty much set and can go even further if I'd like.

The people claiming this is impossible are plain lazy and it's a fact. Unless you have multiple kids, are handicapped you can go to college and get into a career path to make money. They don't want to work though, they want to continue their shitty life path, but make more and more while doing nothing more.

This is 99% fact, with a small 1% who really can't due to a debilitation.

>>648392128I don't know what that is, but it's called giving up. If you look at your life and see you need to make a change, you make the change. you FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE CHAN GE. If it means you get 5 hours of sleep a nnight because you need to work a few more hours, or study a bit more to get into college, then so be it.

If you look at your life and say "There's nothing I can do, i'm stuck and I can't get out" you're a quitter and lazy. plan and simple.

>>648392644Holy shit, you are the problem. Constantly blaming the rich or the man. Someone is always going to be wealthier than you. Get the fuck over it. Work harder and make more money, or fuck the fuck off baby.

I'm being in no way a forced meme by saying that to you than I am being nonsensical when i say grammatically incorrect sentences.

Go back to another website, please

I've been here since 04, seen the up-rise and downfall of ED and /b/While I know a younger group is moving in as I'm washed out, I won't stand to see stupid shits like you post half-retarded statements.Go roll the dice and become an hero you shitfuck.

>>648389575Would you say no if you could achieve the same with working less hard? That you could do all that without any help, doesn't mean we should refuse to help the ones who need it. If you only think about yourself and how you were able to grt that 60k and don't care about anyone else, you're just an asshole.

>>648392184... majority of the federal budget is on welfare?.. how economically illiterate are you? do you not know that all the military equipment and soldiers is the large majority of the deficit? and your argument about corporate subsidies.. i thought america was about capitalism?.. what happened to competition and picking yourself up by the boot straps?.. and good. let them levy it to the consumer. by that point most consumers will now have money to buy from local stores instead of corporations.

>>648391771Today, Mason is recognized for its strong programs in economics, law, creative writing, computer science, and business.[16] In recent years, George Mason faculty have twice won the Nobel Prize in Economics.[17]

>>648377741So, you are the successful wolf of all the other wolfs. Then go on, get rid of all social programs and lets see what happens with your business if 90% are just dead because they can't survive in the survival of the fittest game.

And you have not enough money or family to protect against armed hordes who have nothing and are socialized to take whatever they can.

Its because the people who wipe up puke for $5 an hour got brainwashed to think: hey, that guy earned his 25th Ferrari by playing the crooked system his father helped created can't be changed by me.

But it can. And it will. Because if he only has 12 Ferraris he is still rich, but the other one gets $20 an hour wiping puke.

And is not interesting thinking about overturning the system. Currently lots of people are thinking: whats going on, why is the world catered to the top 5%.

>>648393766>I'm an asshole because I worked hard to earn things I want and other people shouldnt have to?Nobody said that. You are an asshole because you only care about yourself. Thanks for proving that again. Narsistic twat.

>>648393164>>648393164https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdfCongress reported 1.6 trillion spent in war operations from 2001 to 2014 as a response to the 9/11 attacks. 1,600,000,000,000$/13 years = 123,000,000,000 per year of military spending, almost exclusively in the middle east. Congrats on being such a Fox news spoon fed idiot that you don't even know how to google.

>>64838426875% of the riches families in the us have quasi monopolistic companies, live off lots of subsidies and have owned land when it was cheap and have investment opportunities cartered to the top 5%.

Try to play in a game where the rules are designed against 95% of the players. The land is already taken, the family is in government, bank and politics, so you would need generations to get to the right contracts, the monopolistic markets are designed in a way that you need to be a billionaire to even start competing etc.

People who claim that you just need to work hard to become a billionaire or even a sustainable millionaire delusional idiots. Many people become millionaires have the advantage of certain very special contacts or are at the right spot at the right time. Thats nothing you can plan or work to. Read the stories of many of the Internet millionaires, it mostly pure luck.

I would like to read a book "this are 1000 trash collectors who worked hard and became millionaires". This book doesn't exist, because its a myth, perpetuated by the "survivial of the fittest" sociopath who have no problems doing what needs to be done.

>>648394744yep just showed you how much is spent on military that can easily just go to americans instead is wasted on pointless wars but yes im the one that doesnt understand. conservative fags dont even understand the point they're making

>>648395890Help themselves to what? If you can pay for a lobby and claim you're too big to fail, you can help yourself to everything. That's the kind of helping yourself you guys are actually supporting.

>>648395890If you honestly think that military spending helps our economy more than spending the same money in education, welfare, healthcare, and other public services, then we won't make any progress by debating anything.

>>648387941There are cases of Americans who marry european because they have a bad family health history and want to be in a country where the have a fighting chance not to loose all their children until before they are 30.

But someone should tell them that survival of the fittest is a honorable american threat and they should stop mocking around. Just go in the woods and everything will be fine.

So the system brainwashed you into some sort of survival of the fittest and you became the top wolf.

Lets wait 20 years when there is no minimum wage job left with self driving cars and androids at the factory line, and what you will tell your children how the fuck are the paying for their colleges when the only thing left is being a total slave for the 1% who own everything.

"Look, son, this is designed in a way that the 1% get your body and everything. But they keep you healthy and at the end you get a full paid stipend. Just do what the 1% tell you and everything will be fine!."

>>648397207Nah man fuck people who refuse to work. I think that people who are working 2 jobs at minimum wage to support their kids and parents, while paying off student debts, mortgages, etc. are the people who need support. If people don't want to work, then they are entitled to not make any money. That said, the amount of people who simply refuse to work is not as big as you seem to think it is. My belief is that some very small percentage of unemployed people actually just don't want to work, but without a proven statistic I won't argue the point.

>>648390536lots of people fall trough all that. read the news. they have too much to die, and too less to get anywhere with it. drugs, porn, crime - all that shit exists in the netherland where you can't get the same start as those who can't decide in which of the 10 penthouses they study today.

and sure that has nothing todo with the fact, that the market for health insurance is rigged (no true market, many rules who and why can compete pay up to 1000% percent for meds to canadian or europe prices, insane tort laws forbid hospitals to limit payments for non threating medical misconduct etc. etc. etc.)

There is no REAL free market in this area in the US. Thats the reason the prices are so high and climb higher.

Other countries have single payer systems, with complete free markets and the public systems usually beat the privatized companies into the ground with basic care. Thats the reason the privatized sector in many countries carter to the upper 20% with single bed rooms and better looking nurses.

Doctors have the Hippocratic oath. The US should get completely rid of it. It hampers free enterprise in the US.

>>648382526Are you guys fucking stupid? If you are a single Americunt, no child, making less than, I can safely say $15-20,000, you will be paying financially less than you would without Berneconomics. Unless you don't care about having health insurance. Then you're just an idiot and should kill urself

Well, there is a mass brainwashing campaign to convince poor people that they shouldn't attempt to seek socialized benefits that our bureaucracy can provide. The ironic thing about this is that all the idiots out there don't realize that the elite class is the most looked after subsidized class in the country. The majority of our income goes into corporate welfare and the military industrial complex, spending some money towards bettering the working class needs to be squashed with propaganda immediately before the peasants catch on that the rich benefit the most from government programs and infrastructure but also benefit the most from convincing the peasant class that everyone gets to the elite tier through ''hard work'' and they shouldn't have anything given to them. Meanwhile the elite class not only usually starts there from birth, but are given the greatest advantages both from a societal and federal point of view, uncle sam is always sending money to his rich nephew while shitting on his poor niece. That's America though, capitalism at the bottom, socialism at the top and then a big corporate controlled media force feeding idiots opinions that work agaisnt their own self interests 24 hours a day.

>>648393547thats the problem with this discussion. its not all either/or.

you can pay people a rather decent minimum wage, even with robots everywhere. the only way to get it, is to get up and throw in your 40h a week. Do anything. keep the neighborhood clean or teach kids something.

we need other concepts than throwing out money with helicopters. but we will need them fast, when 100 millions will try to get jobs which will not be there, when then the argument of the dishwasher millionaire is absolutely done by the robot with 8 arms for 60 bucks a month including the power bill. you cant beat it.

its just funny how people think this will play out, when every 10 years millions of jobs get wiped out and not replaced. they have to dig up coal in 2015. and die in mine accidents and die by coal lung cancer in young age. because all that coal workers should have become web designers and social media trendsetters.

all the people didn't get it. die from coal lung because they didn't get it. all retarded. where is the rainbow?

Nothing but mere sheep in here. "I want this, I don't want that", like it will make a difference. You are plagued by yourselves. Not your government or country. Its embedded in humanity from the beginning of early civilization. How to take away from another for your own gain. You still have to work like a machine forever until you are no longer of use and are tossed back into the ground.

>>648397859I work in social services every day with people who fit your description. This is correct. In addition, there are people with legitimate disabilities who need assistance, like schizophrenics for example