BySPENCER CUSTODIO |November 14, 2016

Nearly 400 people rallied at the Fourth Street Market in downtown Santa Ana late Sunday afternoon and marched to the historic Old Orange County Courthouse to protest the election of Donald Trump.

“There’s so many people that [Trump] has expressed violent rhetoric towards,” said Loreta Sierra, the 20-year-old Santa Ana College student who organized the protest. “It’s a message of solidarity from all of us who feel scared at this time.”

As they marched, protesters chanted slogans including: “Say it loud, say it clear, immigrants are welcomed here!” At the courthouse, several speakers addressed the crowd.

David P. Senner for Voice of OC

Protesters show off signs airing their complaints against the President-elect Donald Trump as they march in downtown Santa Ana.

They urged the largely Latino crowd to rise up against Trump’s hardline views on immigration and other human rights issues, and to begin working now to break the Republican Party’s grip on the U.S. House and the Senate in the 2018 mid-term elections.

Lesena called for unity and for everyone to get involved with government, starting at the local level. “Help us hold our legislators accountable.”

Sunday’s action against Trump in Santa Ana mirrored those that have taken place across the country since his shocking victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton in last Tuesday’s election.

Rida Hamida, a Muslim woman of Arab and Palestinian descent, told the courthouse crowd she was offended by Trump’s rhetoric toward Muslims.

“I ask you, president-elect, to condemn violence,” Hamida yelled. “I will not silence! I will not be afraid! I will not take off my Hijab!”

David P. Senner for Voice of OC

Santa Ana police monitor the rally at the old courthouse — one officer takes photos of the crowd.

Others said they are concerned not about what Trump’s election means for themselves, but for others.

“I’m not looking for more privilege, I got plenty. I want to live in a country where everyone has a fair fucking shake,” said Bax Baxter, a white community activist.

Baxter said the Democrats’ overconfidence gave Trump the victory.

“I was part of the problem. I thought Hillary (Clinton) was just going to blow it away. I think the attitude, ‘we are walking away with this one,’ kept people home,” he said.

Shahir Masri, an environmental sciences graduate of Harvard, said he’s trying to organize a grassroots effort to help the Democrats gain a majority in the House and Senate with his group, “Orange is the New Blue.”

Among the few bright spots for local progressives is that a Democratic nominee for president won Orange County’s vote for the first time since the 1930s.

“I think we have a lot of liberal people in the county, but we don’t have a lot of people voting,” Masri said. He hopes to target the youth vote. Of the 1,535,967 voters in Orange County, about 1.2 million voted in this election, according to Registrar of Voters Neal Kelley.

David P. Senner for Voice of OC

Protesters at Plaza Calle Cuarto for a final rally as night falls.

After the rally, the protesters made their way back down Fourth Street, ending at Plaza Calle Cuatro on Fourth and French streets.

Santa Ana Police Department Commander Ruben Ibarra said there was no arrests or any violence from the protest. “It was very peaceful,” he said.

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For all the fools that thought Trump was going to stop Wall Street greed, well the joke’s on you:

“It’s a restoration of Wall Street power — and a potential flip in the way the industry is regulated — perhaps unparalleled in American history.

“You would have to go back to the 1920s to see so much Wall Street influence coming to Washington,” said Charles Geisst, a Wall Street historian at Manhattan College. “It’s the most dramatic turnaround one could imagine. That’s the truly astonishing part.”

Evidence of Wall Street’s improved prospects is everywhere.

The Dodd-Frank financial reform law that bedeviled the industry for years and cost banks untold billions could soon get burned to the ground. Bank stocks are soaring. Trump is going around Manhattan promising to lower rich people’s taxes. And industry critics led by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren — long in ascendance — are seeing their populist power deflate.” ….

…”Wall Street bankers and their Washington lobbyists are quietly celebrating. They went from expecting fresh crackdowns from a Hillary Clinton administration with Warren wielding heavy influence to the cusp of a deregulatory bonanza with Republicans in complete control of Washington.”

This protest was one of the best organized. Thank you for keeping it orderly!

Manny D

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

When they are organic, they areeaceful, orderly.
The NoDAPL ones, over 200 nationwide, were also.

It’s when people are bussed in, paid, from craigslist ads, by George Soros paid operatives, that things get ugly. Soros funded the orange revolution in the Ukraine to topple the elected, to appoint his globalist selected. You are now seeing his funding going into a similar thing, but ours is the purple revolution. Orange revolt is why Russia has a bounty on him, dead or alive. He lives here in the land of the free to do what you want. Bummer.

Valkyrie Joos

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Valkyrie Joos

Yep! the ever so transparent divide and conquer! Has unrest as policy occurred to anyone be it by omission or silence. To continue to allow ourselves to be divided, we are not united. That may be precisly the point. This is not or should not be about party. It should be about race, the human race. My father was an old-school way conservative, we had hearty discussions and it was encouraged. However, he always said “I may not defend what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.” He meant it too. He was a civil servant and wouldn’t even let someone pay for a cup of coffee while on duty. He has been a Mayor and decorated for saving the life of an officer. He acted with reserve respect and we didn’t have discussions and things like fidelity or if you were going to vote. You just didn’t do one and you did do the other….not matter what and I think we have created our own lost generation of men. Instead of teaching a trade in the service or other vocational skills, we have put too many young men and fathers in jails for minor discretions

So, Orange County leads the bastion in how to conduct a peaceful protest. They ate to be commended. That is, everyone except Baxter, who said, ““I was part of the problem. I thought Hillary (Clinton) was just going to blow it away. I think the attitude, ‘we are walking away with this one,’ kept people home.”

So, Baxter, you didn’t vote because you were too lazy. Then sit down and shut up because you don’t have a horse in this race.

To the other protesters I say, hang on because things may not be nearly as bad as you think. Trump is disliked by many conservatives who have no intention of letting progress in civics and social structure (they still teach that, don’t they) turn around.

PIFA123

It should say illegals protest out of fear of getting the boot.

LFOldTimer

Btw, were these the same people who voted overwhelmingly to elect Jose Solorio to the SA city council?

Yet from the other sides of their mouths they tell us what a bad guy Trump is?

Classic.

LFOldTimer

Hey friends. It’s over. Your side lost. Accept it. The American people were sick and tired of business as usual. And that’s exactly what Hillary would have delivered. More business as usual. More Wall Street greed, more war, more international conflict, more nation building and an even bigger piece of the pie for the 1%. Count your blessings.

I think you’ll be much happier with President Trump than you were lead to believe by the dishonest and prejudiced media that tried so hard to rig the elections in favor of Hillary. And no. That’s no exaggeration. Wikileaks PROVED the conspiracy and complicit behavior between the mainstream media and the Clinton campaign and the DNC to bring Trump down. They failed.

You have a new President. Give the man a chance.

annomouse

I hope we give him the same “chance” the Republicans gave Obama.

Obstructionism, the Tea Party, birtherism, demeaning comments, crazy rumors and accusations all started within the first days and months of Obama’s administration.

In the midst of the financial CRISIS this is what the Republicans started with:

“On the night of Barack Obama’s inauguration, a group of top GOP luminaries quietly gathered in a Washington steakhouse to lick their wounds and ultimately create the outline of a plan for how to deal with the incoming administration. …

Did you see any civil unrest or shootings by the conservatives after Obama was elected twice? Anybody blocking freeway traffic or defacing monuments?

I must have missed it.

One undercover cop in LA was beaten up and had a gun stolen because she tried to stop criminal demonstrators from defacing public property with obscenities about Trump.

While conservatives disagreed with Obama’s policies they didn’t engage in uncivilized behaviors.

In our adversarial political system it’s normal for one side to question the other side’s policies.

But it’s uncivilized to beat people up, block traffic or to perpetrate damage and destruction to public or private property over an election.

Maybe we could agree on that point.

annomouse

Had Obama called anybody or group, rapists, fat, losers or thugs?

And there is a whole lot of UNCIVILIZED behavior being perpetrated by the “victors”:

“A man threatened a Muslim student at the University of Michigan on Friday, demanding that she remove her hijab or be set on fire with a lighter, the Detroit Free Press reported.”
“Connecticut officials: Donald Trump supporters partied in KKK garb to celebrate election”
“Black figures hung from trees outside SC campus building named after ‘violent racist’”
“Pro-Trump letters warn minorities to leave town or die: ‘We cleared the White House of n****rs’”
“‘Not for n****rs’: Flier warns black students not to donate blood at high school blood drive”
“‘Heil Trump’: Vandals attack Indiana church with swastika and anti-gay slur while praising Trump”
“‘An ape in heels’: WV officials slur Michelle Obama — and say Melania Trump will be ‘refreshing’”

Need more?

LFOldTimer

And how do you know those acts weren’t committed by paid liberal operatives in attempt to cast a dark shadow on Trump’s campaign? We do know that liberals were paid to protest and to infiltrate Trump rallies to incite violence and cause disruptions. In fact, Trump had to cancel some of his rallies due to safety concerns. Look what happened right here in Orange County. People coming from the rally were terrorized in their cars. Fires were set. Police cars destroyed. Conservatives never played those games at Hillary rallies. The liberals played very dirty during the entire campaign. But they failed. Trump won and Hillary lost. The American people saw through the games and the media’s dishonesty. That’s the funniest part.

Roderick Powell

Trump is trying to lead a racist cleansing. I see nothing funny in that, you loser.

LFOldTimer

“racist cleansing”?

Stop with the drama. This is the reason Trump won by a wide margin. The American people got fed up with the drama.

Roderick Powell

Trump’s day will come, sooner than you can imagine. Of that I am certain. He ends up broke, betrayed by his supporters and in jail. Now that would be a just conclusion to this national embarrassment. Truth is their are more people who voted for Hillary than for Trump. You are living in a county and state that preferred Hillary. (by far) You can call this obnoxious hate leader your president, but he ain’t mine.

LFOldTimer

Trump will be your President on 01/20/2017 whether you like it or not. The only way to change that would be to leave the country.

I suppose there’s lots of angry people who fantasize for bad things to happen to Trump. Hopefully given a little time they’ll outgrow those immature feelings.

Elections aren’t won or lost by a popular vote. The Electoral College is the final determinant for very logical reasons. And Hillary came up short by a wide margin.

One good thing is that Hillary can now use all the home servers she wants and none of us will care.

The quicker she fades into history the better.

Roderick Powell

Good night, good luck and goodbye.

annomouse

Well, Trump certainly doesn’t have a mandate, he’s on track to lose the popular vote by over some 2.2 million votes.

Any Californian who has some brain cells should be upset by this. Our votes are already disenfranchised by these smaller states. California is the most populous and productive state in the union. We’re an economic powerhouse yet, our votes count the least.
Check out this article on how much our House and Senate vote counts … in the Senate we rate a whopping 0.00. That’s outrageous!https://wallethub.com/edu/how-much-is-your-vote-worth/7932/

Our issues and concerns are never addressed, instead we have politicians running around catering to the folks in dumbf*ckland.

Meanwhile, back in California we’re paying some of the highest taxes in the country while states that have no income tax or sales tax get a lot more Federal tax dollars. In other words, we’re subsidizing them. These issues are never even raised because we have no political clout.

I for one am sick of a bunch of hillbillies deciding the fate of this country.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

You seem to have a fundamental flaw in your conception of the country. It’s not a democracy of the people; it is a republic of the States. The States elect the president because that office functions as the Chief Operating Officer responsible for carrying out the agreement between the States to function as a union. Trump then slayed. The States trusted him over her.

Roderick Powell

I assure you Trump will betray the trust of those who voted for him (though their pride will not allow them to admit it) and he will go down in history as a dunce, a fraud, a sociopath and especially an a**hole.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

I respectfully disagree. Your sentiments for future prez is how I feel about outgoing prez. Hopey changey. Nopey, strangey.

Bottom line, everyone who voted regardless of for whom, rocks. The rest is up to the universe to handle. May good prevail is all we can wish for.

But the paid youth to protest Trump many did.not.even.vote. craigslist ads in all major cities.

Soros needs to be made public enemy number one.
Sorry George Soros. Devil.

LFOldTimer

You notice none of them have spoken a critical word of how Obama has betrayed them for the last 8 years.

Obama is a Wall Street puppet. Remember when he told us that he was going to go after the fat cats on Wall Street? ha. He went after them all right. He jumped right into their pockets! ha.

Remember when he told us that he was going to exclude lobbyists from his administration? ha. He’s hired tons of lobbyists. Another lie.

Remember when he told us that he wasn’t going to take any money from corporations to finance his campaigns? ha. He was one of the biggest corporate and Wall Street junkies in the history of the office. In 2008 Goldman Sachs gave him over $1 million.

Remember when he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? ha. Obama became a bigger war monger and nation builder than Bush. He told us he would pull the troops from Afghanistan by the end of his Presidency. Instead he signed an agreement to keep our troops in Afghanistan until 2025 and longer! ha. Look what he did in Syria. He violated international treaties by launching airstrikes and killing innocent civilians. His drones killed innocent school children in Pakistan. He completely blew the management of Iraq since terrorists have taken over major strategic cities there. After he attacked Libya (in violation of the War Powers Resolution of 1973 and set up the assassination of the sovereign leader of that nation (in violation of the Geneva Convention) the terrorists have taken over. Libya is now run by Islamic terrorists thanks to Obama!

Then there’s Obamacare “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” or “If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan” or “Obamacare will save the average family over $2300 in premiums”. HA! More lies.

But none of the Trump haters will make one critical comment about King Obama or Queen Hillary!!! ha. The epitome of hypocrisy!!!

Feel sorry for them, BeeBee. Be amused by them. The blind following the blind.

Oh, remember how the Trump haters wanted to force Trump to commit that he would not contest the election if Hillary beat him??? ha. Now the Trump haters are signing petitions to try to overthrow the vote of the people!!! ha.

I can’t make this stuff up!!!!

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Agree on all, LFOT! Thank goodness the era of deception is almost over. Thank you Chelsea Manning, thank you Edward Snowden and the most gratitude to Assange and WikiLeaks! His publishing after verifying for truth all the info that those young gladiators, the hackers and whistleblowers submit, well, Assange deserves a Medal of Freedom and Nobel Peace Prize for averting sure world wide catastrophe. Of course, he was motivated by Killary asking the military if they couldnt just “drone that guy” the blood thirsty beech. So many dead because of her.

The former head of the Clinton Foundation has been MIA for weeks. Eric Braverman. Why would he suddenly disappear? Bet he went to Russia for asylum. Poof! He is just gone. Why?

LFOldTimer

I read that Trump and Putin have already had telephone discussions about how our two nations would work together to destroy ISIS and ISIL.

General War-Monger Hillary wanted to start a new cold war with Putin and heightened tensions by blaming him for hacking the DNC files when it was proven he had nothing to do with it. Hillary was moving us toward a nuclear war.

The American media has become a propoganda machine for the leftist traitors so now we have to depend on the Snowden’s, Assange’s and Manning’s of the world to expose all the corruption, pilfering and dirty deals happening in secret behind closed government doors.

What Hillary did was 20x’s worse that what the other 3 have done. And she skates away without even a handslap!!! And the leftists don’t say a word!!!

If we had any justice in America Hillary would be turning big rocks into small rocks at Club Fed for the next 20 years.

The Clinton Foundation Fund should be prosecuted under RICO statutes. For God sakes – SOS Hillary and Bill were cutting weapons deals with dangerous ME rogue nations while taking million dollar donations (bribes).

Hillary makes Trump look like a altar boy!!!

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Yes. All.

We, our current president, was double crossed.
The money he gave back to Iran was then given to Russia for the uranium Hill brokered. Hence the cold war they did, or tried to do.

Russia, Russia, Russia.
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia

Obama and Valerie Jarret, suckers!

annomouse

You two deserve each other.

annomouse

Ooops, BeeBee you’ve been duped again! You’re just like Charlie Brown and that football. How many times are you going to end up with egg on your face before you learn not to trust your “news” sources?

Embassy You Later
A rumor that former Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman has sought asylum in Russia originated with a fake news conspiracy site.

FALSE!

ORIGIN:On 24 October 2016, the conspiracy-mongering web site WhatDoesItMean.com published an article reporting that former Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Braverman had sought asylum in Russia for reasons presumably related to knowledge he gained working for that charitable organization (purportedly supported by an e-mail WikiLeaks released in October 2016)

It wasn’t long before the claim filtered up through conspiracy theory-oriented message boards to open social media and fringe web sites, with many repeating the implausible claim verbatim. But the rumor’s purportedly shocking details originated with (and were reported by no source other than) the fake news site WhatDoesItMean.com, described by RationalWiki thusly:

Whatdoesitmean.com has perpetuated a number of baseless Clinton conspiracy theories during the 2016 election including falsehoods holding hacker Guccifer, Democratic National Committee (DNC) staffer Seth Rich, UN official John Ashe, and the father of a physician purportedly responsible for leaking Hillary Clinton’s (falsified) health records were killed off by her shadowy operatives.

Yeah Seth Rich, suicide, with two bullets in the back of the head after the Podesta email said anyone on staff leaking would be dealt with.

Braverman is still mia. Ask your precious Snopes to find him. Will ya?

Oh, you’re right … everything you say is so right, your leftist everything is most right. About everything. Right. Right. Right.

annomouse

And you’ve been proven wrong. About everything. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Yet, you still believe the right.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

I am right. You have proven nothing other than you are a dedicated snopes believer to my being a dedicated WikiLeaks and FBI dark forum believer. We see things differently. I’m right to me, you’re right to you. Let’s see which one of us is proven by history as it unfolds.

annomouse

No, there are facts and real events and real math and then there’s all the crazy sh*t you believe. They are not the same, they are not equal and they never will be.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

What.ever.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Again. What.ever.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

I am right. You are left out wrong. Your welcome.

annomouse

Most Democrats really like Obama and are going to miss him and his “no drama, Obama ” administration.

We don’t feel “betrayed” by Obama because we’re grownups. We understand that compromise is necessary, we get nuance and we value policy over politics.

Obama’s leaving office more popular than Trump will be coming in.

annomouse

Where are you getting this crappolla about George Soros paying these protesters?

Yeah, George Soros a billionaire who gives money to causes NOT to feather his own nest or make himself more powerful, but rather he funds grass root groups and organizations who want to get involved in the political process.
And FYI; he did NOT give 33 million dollars to BLM, that’s ANOTHER ONE of the BS things you believe that is FALSE.

You are so into people power except when the “people” are actually doing something. You are just a sad, misinformed and gullible crank.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

He is a very bad man who needs to be declared what he really is, public enemy number one. Here’s his home address, 136 Cantitoe Street, Katonah, NY 10536 so you can send the merry fellow a Christmas card with your love.

annomouse

“No, duh”, but I guess your fine with your vote being disenfranchised. The Koch bro’s love people like you.

All the Koch brothers have to do is fund the Republicans taking over one more (the magic # is 34 and they have 33) statehouse and then we’ll have some Constitutional amendments. Then the fascists will have their way with us. Tax dollars for the general welfare, forget about it. All our tax dollars will go to either military contractors or those who’ll have bought our infrastructure and who will own us.

Most people never heard of Trump’s infrastructure plan which is to sell off our roads and bridges (water, power and Federal lands will be next) to private industry who will ‘fix’ them and then charge us in endless perpetuity to use them for big profits.
Good luck with that hillbilly chumps.

We’ll just have to make an adjustment to that last line of Gettysburg address …. and that government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, shall not perish from the earth.

You and LF, the embodiment of the term, useful idiots.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Trump refused Koch money. Kochs did not endorse him. He refused lobbying money. Lobbyists are shsking in their boots now. He owes them nothing. He is refusing to be paid as presidrnt, but has to do by law, so he will get one dollar. Obama got 3M200K.

He really ran as an Independent but due to the entrenched two party system, he went along as a so called Republican. All those Republicans that went against him? Why so?

As an environmentalist for decades, I am infuriated that 22 trillion dollars are allocated for climate change, formerly known as global warming research. Research? The obvious man made #exxonknew since 1977 and we are researching it to the tune of 22 trillion dollars. Meanwhile for decades, no adequate tree planting money which is the obvious solution to too much carbon in the air. Not enough money go help veterans, homeless, families. But yeah, bull unneeded research.

It just goes on. Finding after finding.

As for useful idiots. That would be all those kids bring bussed in in droves to work as protestors. Law enforcement reports many are sharing its a job and they did not vote.

The DNC was hijacked by useful idiots who sabotaged Bernie Sanders, the rightful nominee. Trump is karma. Trump and Sanders dialoguing on issues is great by me. They were both odd men out. One happened to win the presidency. I expect Bernie to lead the Senate. Win. Win.

DNC idiots should all be prosecuted. Wasserman, Brazile!
George Soros, the slave master should be declared public enemy number one.

She was taking money from the public unions and all the typical sugar daddies.

She spent $1B. Unprecedented. She outspent Trump 10 to 1.

And she still lost!!! ha.

That’s what cracks me up the most.

Trump not only defeated Hillary. He defeated the dirty establishment and the lying media!!! ha.

The man is a genius!

annomouse

Yeah, so what do you think about all the Wall Streeters on the Trump team?

If it were Hillary’s team you all would be apoplectic. But because it’s Trump and the folks that lead you fools around like pigs with rings through your nose’s are suddenly silent on Wall Street ties, so are you.

Trump supporters can’t think for themselves, their EVERY thought comes from hate radio, Fox News or alt-right websites. Their memes are like a virus, infecting the stupid.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Keep your enemies close. Knowledge is power.
And, The Art of War by Sun Tzu
Read that and you will understand better what is being done.

Trump is irrelevant, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence are in power now. And they’re all Koch Brother boys.

Trump is in over his head.

And as for you, you are no environmentalist. Environmentalists value scientific research and knowledge. Your infantile premise that more research is unnecessary now and is superseding “tree planting money” is so ridiculous that I’m surprised that you’re not embarrassed to give voice to it.

Well, they do say that ignorance is bliss.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Guess what? Big reveal. What you think, does not really matter to me.
Oh yeah, Hillary. She knows the system. She could have stolen even more. Why did we not get the proven liar, cheater, user, thief in instead? Gosh darn it. Karma really bit her hard. Could not have happened to a nicer lady.

Scientific research is one thing. Propaganda is another. Monsanto has been funding “research” for years but they keep poisoning us because they lobby politicians who know not to eat cancer causing glyphosate laced frankenfoods. Just like mainstream media. Bought science. Research the obvious and get 22 trillion for researching that the weather changes every day, every week, oh God, every month and year.

Climate change, 22 trillion? You do not see how much we are paying for unneeded bull sheet? You do not see the fraud? Wasting money, milking the system. I hope all those self serving thieves go down and are charged with treason. From both sides. Embezzled us long enough.

annomouse

Ha, ha, ha you’ve got to be the most gullible person on the planet.

“22 trillion” do you have any idea how f*cking ludicrous that is? And you cite it not once but twice!

This is from one of the crazy right wing websites you love and even they don’t cite you’re crazy numbers:

“Obama wants to build on increased green energy funding he got from Congress last year to eventually spend $12.8 billion on research and development by 2021, along with hundreds of millions of dollars to other programs aimed at fighting global warming.”

Furthermore the right-wing fossil fuel industry backed websites you’re getting your “information” (aka lies) from must be leaving out the DEVELOPMENT part of research and development. Only someone with a RUDIMENTARY UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE would believe that all the money spent is on “researching that the weather changes every day, every week, oh God, every month and year.”

Climate scientists are not a monolithic group or a corporation like Monsanto. Your notion about them “milking the system” is childish. US Govt. spending is spread over 13 different agencies all working on different aspects of climate change.
Just one example, the USDA is concerned with maintaining our farm and grasslands and maintaining our water systems, is that waste?

HOW COULD ANYONE BE SO GULLIBLE AND IGNORANT?

You are a perfect example of why this country just elected Trump, you only read and believe right-wing ‘news’ sources and you have no ability to reason and sniff out obvious lies and propaganda.

It’s downright scary, that so many americans can be duped so easily.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

You do realize that is a cumulative number since all of this became a thing back when Bill was president and the Millennium Green initiative morphed into global warming now known as climate change. I was a speech writer for that under Sec. Glickman. That’s over 20 years ago. Same research for cash after 20 plus years.

Your wild hair … strong need to be validated.
Hey, you win. Anything you say, or write. Go, be happy.

annomouse

You do realize that a billion is 1,000 million, a trillion is 1,000 billion, even if we were spending 20 billion a year (and we’re not) and going back 25 years …20 x 25 = 500.
500 billion is HALF A TRILLION.

And no, NOT SAME RESEARCH, most of the monies now are going to clean energy technologies.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Indeed, lotta money. Not only cumulative progressive years from all these administrations but all agencies, EPA, Dept Energy, Fema, USDA, Commerce. Still researching today. For cash. For regurgitating research. Over and over.Drain that money pit swamp. And then there’s the waste in Dept of Defense alone. Beyond theft all of it. WH whistleblowers who were afraid to bring these wastes out formally for fear of repercussion, saving the day. Thank you FBI. Heads will roll.

annomouse

Sigh, the budget for climate change is for all agencies, they don’t each get 15 billion, fool.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Look, there is no way to attach the report, nor am I going to paste it for you. Just know that the new administration is putting a stop to such foolish use of funds. Researched to death, backwards, forward, sideways. Enough milking it. Support, as a long time activist, I support his seeing through that haze. A convenient lie by the same people that packaged HTC being a viable candidate when she never was. And, what.ever. ammunmouse.

annomouse

68% of the government climate change monies go to developing cleaner energy technologies.
And only an idiot like yourself would think research and what we know about climate change is static.
But idiots are easy to fool and the fossil fuel industry backed propaganda has done a bang up job fooling you idiots.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Wow, you really get off or get high on calling people names, you do it on almost all your responses. Look, your government auditing resources are different than mine. Snopes has been discredited as a liberal pawn by way of Kim LaCapria and her extreme bias. As for climate changing, which it as for all time, that narrative is a way to extort money from all nations and feed it in to the United Nations so they can some day be our dear leader. Bummer has started the process with the internet to them. Most in the Republic, agreed on f’k dat sheet. That is why crazy change won over criminal risk. Warmonger for foundation do good bs, is over. Soros sheeple exposed. And thank God for WikiLeaks. Assange, Snowden, Manning will hopefully be pardoned now.

Don’t forget, tomorrow Nov 19 is CNN blackout day, y’all.
That will teach them to lie to the American people. Bribed pawns.
#journalismisdead

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

What.Ever.

LFOldTimer

BeeBee, obviously they don’t understand why we have an electoral system and why the electoral votes are the final determinant of who becomes President. Oh, and the last I looked the difference in popular votes between Hillary and Trump was only about 600,000. A minuscule amount relative to the total vote. But the popular vote is only window dressing. The electoral vote is where the rubber meets the road.

The Founding Fathers did not wish for large populated states and large urban centers to soley decide who lives in the White House or the way our nation is governed. For that reason each state is assigned electoral votes based on the combined number of senators and house representatives (based on population) that the respective states have. Very simple. Many uneducated people think that America is a democracy. It is not. America a Constitutional Republic. I learned this all in grade school. But the way the democrats have dumbed down our education system in the last 25 years it’s obvious that many protesters are simply ignorant of the governing mechanisms which apply to our country and why.

So be patient, BeeBee. The best you can do is help educate them.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

I feel that way about the last 8 years. President not present. Even Reverend Louis Farrakhan feels that O failed his community. Two weeks ago he made fun of the O “legacy” being only healthcare no one can afford and how the inner city people cant believe they were forgotten for 8 years … and said about Trump, “Let the man do what he has to do.” We needed a punk middle finger who will make changes. It was crazy or criminal, change or risk. The country wanted crazy change not criminal risk.

LFOldTimer

Farrakhan is one of my favorite black militants. I love people who tell the truth – even though their spoken truth may rub those on their own militant team the wrong way. This is the reason I actually listen to Farrakhan. He holds credibility with me because he is willing to turn on his own. He’s believable.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Yes, he does walk lightly but with a big stick. Posted on Nov 8th was where he called “Miss Hillary” a deceiver “like all the ones before”. He called Obama the campaigner in chief for Hillary and then smirked. Obvious what he was saying. A few days before that he made fun of the first black presidents legacy being unaffordable and that he forgot the inner cities except for when he needed to use their vote. He is still militant but more two sides to this in his analysis. Trump needs to sit down with the man.

Jesse Jackson on the other hand, wants a pardon for Miss Hillary. I thought she could do no wrong so why would he already ask for her to be pardoned? Can we believe the Detroit Free Press? Or USA Today?

Roderick, our country was heisted. He is going to try to get our country back to US. Read the wikileaks emails. Their own words used against them. With a big dose of karma. What they did to Bernie. Yuuge karma, and fast. Some people love America, some love to use America. Sorting out time. Cleansing yes. Lotta pond scum.

annomouse

You KNOW nothing, if you’re basing anything on that king of deceptive editing, James O’Keefe’s tapes. James O’Keefe has zero credibility. Until he releases the full unedited tapes I would believe nothing from this little creep.
And I bet you find no “conflict” with fact that the Trump Foundation donated $10,000 to “Project Veritas” in 2015, but boy oh boy, if Hillary had had a connection like that you’d be screaming “paid shill!”

So, go ahead and blather on about the Dems “dirty” tricks while championing the deceptive smear campaign and months long spying operation run by James O’Keefe against the Democrats, yeah the republicans are all choirboys.

You never disappoint, I expect nothing less than complete hypocrisy and denial.

LFOldTimer

You never respond to the valid points that I make. You sidestep them and go onto a completely different train of thought.

For that reason I choose to ignore you.

annomouse

Right, you dismissed out of hand all the examples I provided of right-wing uncivilized behavior by blaming “left-wing” plants. You cited as evidence “paid liberal operatives” where do think that BS meme came from? Answer: James O’Keefe and his ‘Project Veritas’.

BeeBee.BeeLeaves

Sadly, blocking to where a man that needed emergency care died because of the 45 minute delay going around protesters. In Portland. Leaves behind 4 year old. F’en thugs. PD has posted pictures. They all look like meth heads.

annomouse

Yeah, about that whole Trump will end “business as usual” crap:

“And now Wall Street, which has been persona non grata in Washington since the 2008 crash, is back stalking the halls of power. Trump has just named Steve Bannon, a former Goldman Sachs banker, as his chief strategist, and is said to be considering another Goldman alumnus, Steve Mnuchin, as Treasury Secretary. Rebekah Mercer, the daughter of billionaire hedge-funder Robert Mercer, is on Trump’s 16-member transition team executive committee, as is Anthony Scaramucci, another hedge-fund manager and a former Goldman Sachs banker who has been an outspoken Trump supporter since Trump vanquished Scott Walker and Jeb Bush during the Republican primaries.

Still another factor—and perhaps the most important—is that a good look at Trump’s policies reveals that they may help far more than they hurt the financial sector, and that’s a relief after eight years of flagellation from Washington and mainstream America.”

Today, Nov 18, reported that California still has 3 million votes still left to count. So, we.are.slow. There is a group called hashtag Audit the Vote that wants to scrutinize every vote so we know for sure for sure the good from the illegal, the dead, the 3rd party. Might be a good thing tofo, really, so we know all for sure. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.