2.8.06

Well i have many questions!!Why the plane watching this rockets launcher waited until it enters the house before bombing it??????!!!Where are the rockets they are talking about???While we can see the big camion entering the garage very easely so that must be well prepared?!! is there civilians inside?!! so what is hizbollah response??!!Is this Lebanon or Irak or Afganistan or Gazza or another region?! or just a film from the Israeli defense??!! so what is Israel response?!!

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The film was taken by a drone - an unmanned plane. As far as I know, these drones do not do the bombing themselves. I suppose it's possible that it took time from identifying the rocket launch by the drone until a bomber was able to bomb it. Another possible answer to your question regarding why wait until the launcher entered the house is that perhaps they suspected the launcher would head to some garage, and perhaps they expect the garage to contain ammunition for reloading the launcher. This is good enough reason to prefer to bomb the garage rather than bomb the launcher outside.

I don't understand your question regarding where the rockets are. You can clearly see the launcher firing them at the beginning of the film.

The claim about hiding behind civilians is illustrated in this exampe by the fact that the house looks like a civilian house in a civilian neighborhood. I guess the IDF wants to say here, that since Hizbullah is using civilian neighborhood as bases, there will inevitiablly be civilian casualties when IDF attacks Hizbullah.

Regarding the whereabouts an the authenticity of the film - I suppose it could easily be forged. So can all films we see. I don't have any more reason to suspect it than I have to suspect films showing Lebanese refugees fleeing a bombing.

I really do doubt this nonsense IDF propaganda, unless the IDF considers the viewers to be babies in order to cut the film for explanations!! Needless to mention that one of the achievements of Hizb Allah is their candor statements.I really do trust Hizb Allah statements and I really do believe in them.

sasmen and loubnani, you need to look closer because it's very clear. At the beginning of the film (9-10 second mark) you can clearly see a large white rectangle mounted on the back of the truck and it's rotated sideways at an angle. That is the missile launcher. If you look at this picture you'll see how it looks from a different angle so it's easy to imagine how it might look from above through an infrared camera.

As far as waiting, it makes complete sense that if you had the time, you would wait until the launcher returned "home" before destroying it. That way, you would:1. gather more intelligence about the location of your enemy2. take out extra jihadis who might be at home sleeping or making bombs or whatever

If there were truly "civilians" inside the house and they're giving safe haven to a missile launcher, then they're not really civilians anymore, are they sasmen?

I think Elon who posted above already answered your questions. I will do it again for the sake of repetition:

"Why the plane watching this rockets launcher waited until it enters the house before bombing it??????!!!"

- Its not a plane, its a droneall it has is a camera, no weapons

"Where are the rockets they are talking about???"

- A rocket is being launched at the 11'th second of this film. You can see the shockwave jolting the drone. The 'white roof' of this truck is tilted up... its the missile launcher.

"While we can see the big camion entering the garage very easely so that must be well prepared?!! is there civilians inside?!! so what is hizbollah response??!!"

- The Hizbollah probably had more missles and a secure shelter for the missile launcher at the garage of this obvious residential building. Hizbollah response ? hopefully shame for being caught on tape.

"Is this Lebanon or Irak or Afganistan or Gazza or another region?! "

- Its Lebanon. Gaza looks nothing of the sort. Iraqis dont shot rockets, they blow cars. The film was released by Israel.

Again I will repeat myself:1- There is absolutely no proof that this is a rocket launcher2- There is absolutely no proof that this is taking place in Lebanon3- There is absolutely no proof that this is taped by the Israeli army !

And again, many civilian pickups were hit by israeli missiles and these pickups were transporting civilians. And not even a single reporter reported that Hizballah fighters were among all the civilians killed in the south. Houses were demolished with their inhabitants inside, trucks and pickups were targeted and no one reported that rocket launchers were in the scene !

In a war, an army can commit mistakes/errors. There are always collateral damage ! but not at this level !! 850 civilians killed. 5000 Houses destroyed. Devastation scenes prove clearly those houses weren't used to hide missiles/munitions ! It is not rocket science for God's sake !

"Again I will repeat myself:1- There is absolutely no proof that this is a rocket launcher2- There is absolutely no proof that this is taking place in Lebanon3- There is absolutely no proof that this is taped by the Israeli army !"

Well all there is to do is compare the area of the tragedy to the area in the movie. This will be fairly easy to check by the UN or any inquiry commission. In fact, it is so easy to check that I doubt that the Israeli army is showing the bombing of another location.

Is Hizbollah using civilians, or his Hizbollah using the IAF to kill civilians?

One perceives immediately that if Hizbollah had chosen to fire its rockets from open fields, Lebanese civilians would not be killed in their apartment buildings, anger against Israel greatly diminished, and anger towards Hizbollah greatly increased. Only by large numbers of civilian dead can Hizbollah justify its role of "resistance".

Naaaah ! It is just that we got used to all the israeli lies. When Qana got bombarded in 1996, the IDF pretended that Hizbollah fired missiles from near the UN Camp. The UN investigation team proved that the israeli allegations are pure lies !

And to answer reminiscor:"This will be fairly easy to check by the UN or any inquiry commission. In fact, it is so easy to check that I doubt that the Israeli army is showing the bombing of another location."

This reminds me of the presentation made by M. Powel about Iraq's WMD in front of the entire WORLD ! He knew he was lying, he knew that it is easy to check that the maps and satellite photos were fake, but even though, he went on with his presentation ! I would believe that the IDF might kill tens of lebanese civilians by mistake, this is completely comprehensive, but when we talk about 850 ! this is beyong rational thinking !

One more thing: why the IDF doesn't show us how they did hit the pickup packed with civilians in Marwaheen ? what about the 5000 houses destroyed ? Israel is expecting us to believe that those 5000 houses were used by Hizbollah, by releasing a video tape of a random truck hiding in a random place in a random village in a random country !

And again, if the IDF destroys a village because hizbollah was launching missiles from that village, I would expect to find in this village burnt and destroyed missile launchers. But it is not the case till now. All what was reported from Southern Lebanon is scenes of carnage and destruction of civilians infrastructures, houses, etc.

loubnani, yesterday i heard direct attacks to the UN observers saying that these people lived there for so long and got friendly with the HA people. the guy goes "they would even play cards and eat with the terrorists".. they will discredit everything the UN has to say now. and the lies continue. i don't even want to bother defending anymore.they're aggressive criminal racist liers and that's that.

That is quite obviously a rocket launcher, unless some one else cares to explain what those white tubes pointing sideways and slightly up could be.

The fact that the launcher is a military is not a question. What is a question is whether or not Israel was right to wait until it went into the house before attacking it, assuming that Israel deliberately waited.

Hi Israeli apologists! You are such a persistent lot. Any idea what the time-stamps on those videos say? They couldn't be from the day in question, else Haaretz would not have reported this:

"It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.

The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.

The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike."

Antonin, notice that "final historian" wrote "rockets being fired from inside a building" (as a proof that this specific tactic is being used) and not "from inside the building" (that was horribly bombed).So there is no example of lack of persistency here.

One thing that many have overlooked. A lot of the Israeli military is deployed near Israeli villages and houses. This is especially true of some of the howitzers. In addition the Israeli military is located right in the center of Haifa.

Note that the Lebanese do not hypocritically accuse the IDF of hiding behind civilians.