As Castle Season 5 came to a close, the ABC series’ titular author solved a mystery not of his own crafting by getting on bended knee and asking lady love Kate Beckett to marry him.

And while the bold move caught some viewers off guard — after all, things were starting to go south for the pair in the wake of Beckett pursuing an out-of-town job — Nathan Fillion‘s eyebrows were not among those arched.

“No, it doesn’t shock me that we were shocking people,” the actor shared with TVLine last week, as his Joss Whedon-penned/directed film Much Ado About Nothing began hitting theaters. “It’s not a shock for me.”

Neither was Fillion taken aback by the quite serious tone to the question-popping, as the finale’s closing scene purposely played out in a manner that seemed headed toward a sad break-up.

“It was important to me not to spoil it, not to telegraph where it’s going,” Fillion says of his alter ego’s approach. After all, he points out, “This is probably one of the more grown-up things Castle has done since becoming a father — and even in being a father, he’s not very grown-up about it. [But] fatherhood happens to you; making a choice to be with someone for the rest of your life, that doesn’t just happen. That is an adult choice you have to make. That is some growing up you have to do. So I wanted to treat it as though it was a serious thing for Castle.”

Although some fans have theorized that Fillion and leading lady Stana Katic went ahead and filmed Beckett’s response while there at the playground location — if only for continuity sake — the actor confirms, “No. We did not shoot the answer.” Nor does he know what it will be.

“We did that last day of shooting on a Thursday. Friday, I came in and did some looping … and then left town immediately [to] work in Canada,” he reports. As such, he maintained, “I have no idea, not a one. I’ve not had one email, not one discussion, not a phone call about where things are going, what’s going to happen. So I can’t even spoil anything by accident!” (With reporting by Scott Huver)

As a Castle fans since it was aired in 2009, this season was the most divested one among all seasons. In my opinion, the story went went until Still and the 3-ep-arc.

Castle and Beckett both are not saint. They both made lots of mistakes in relationships. I think AM tried to show us in this season, how bad they both are in relationships with others. Castle always had his wall up, didn’t let people in; and Beckett was so guarded, and afraid to push the other half to talk, or not pushing the other half hard enough to talk. But this is why we love Caskett, because they made mistakes, we felt they were geniue and organic. They have made so many mistakes in the past, that slowly push them into the right direction. And regarding the mess in the 3-ep-arc, I think you guys should fall blames on both of them, and not just focus on the major events, but focus on those small things in their daily lives.

In the first few eps of season 5, things went well. Even Beckett had her moments of doubt, they were pacified by Castle. Then Meredith came, stirrings things up, and opened the pandora’s box, that Castle has his own wall up high, didn’t let people in. Instead of asking Castle, she deal with it by her own. And then Kate put more effort in the relationship, like the fake murder/birthday party, the drawer and etc. But Castle didn’t do much in return, and showing signs of losing interest on her, like fake murder cases that took precedence over her getting dressed up & making plans, a Bigfoot book she had to take away to grab his attention, quickly dropped when the food trap sprung, a seductive dance taking second place to video games etc.

Castle losing interest on her is one of her primal fear regarding this relationship. They started to work together because Castle was interested on her. Losing interest on her is the sign of the end of the relationship, as she asked Jim in Watershed, “…what happens when the music stops?” Thus she made the mistake of letting Vaugh kissed her in SQ, because she was shaked up and insecured. Actually I’m ok with the kiss. As we know, Beckett made mistakes when she had doubt or insecure. In season 2, she wasn’t sure Castle was the man she think he is, thus she started dating Demming, and started the whole fiasco; when she got shot, she didn’t feel safe, and she ran away, hid in her father’s cabin for the whole summer; when the dinner went wrong in “After Hours”, Beckett voiced out her concerns that they may as incompatible as Jim and Martha. (which others think they were the perfect match of each other) Beckett was insecured about their relationship in SQ, thus I expected she would make mistakes again. And as for HF and Watershed, Beckett was just relapsed to her oldself because of her insecurity, behaved badly.

AM showed the progression of Beckett’s insecurity in a more subtle way, which is good, if they have more time, and the audience were able to pick them up. Unfortunately the ep has its own time limit, and most audiences didn’t picked up the subtle hints, thus many audiences surprised and angry when Kate let Vaugh kissed her, and Kate acting “out of character” in HF and Watershed. I truly believe, if they spent more time on SQ, or previous eps on showing how Kate thinks Castle started to lose interest on her, the auidence would have less complaints on Beckett. The problem with SQ is bad writing, which I rarely complain Castle on this issue. Caskett’s reactions to the kiss and jealousy were both ooc, I felt odd and wired by their actions. And Kate was acting unprofessionally in that protection detail. Drinking champagne on the job, getting too intimate with the protectee, and let the protectee stood in front of the window without cover, that’s very unprofessional. I though Kate would do her best even she had personal issues. Apparently I was wrong.

I’m not saying Castle is solely the one to blame. Beckett had her own fair share of blame here. She failed to push Castle to talk, and kept secret of her trip to DC. The roots of these problems were communication issue, the same drama that they have been playing for last five seasons. They have so many misunderstandings, miscommunications, and making assumptions on each other. They couldn’t keep playing the same drama for the future seasons, especially when the idea of marriages had got between them, and I think the whole dc-job-drama could be a push for them to start talking. But beware, if they start talking, misunderstandings and miscommunications would be cleared, and the drama, like the annual jealous drama, should have changed, as these dramas were based on those misunderstandings and miscommunications. I afraid some audience may think of it as ooc.

Personally I don’t think Kate would go. The root of the job fiasco is that Beckett didn’t know where the relationship is going. Castle’s proposal, which I considered it as a promise rather than a proposal ( is Caskett the blind item Ausiello had been teasing last year?), and the line “So whatever happens , and whatever you decide” would be a proof to Beckett that Castle is dive into the relationship as same as her. Thus I don’t think she would go. Even if she go to DC, I’m in favor of the idea that she returned as she didn’t pass the probation period because she went against orders. I just hope she won’t as Jim suggested, that resent Castle later for not having her “dream job”.

Btw, I too believe that Still shouldn’t be placed in front of SQ. Without Still, the story did make sense. Still had actually stirred up the story development. And Still ends like a finale, which I think it would be better if Still was placed as the finale rather than Watershed.

NF and SK had done a great job portraying Caskett, and AM and his writers had done a great job on the story development. This is just a little rant for the whole 3-arc-ep fiasco, and the arguments above. And sorry for my bad english, as I’m not english native.

I think Kate didn’t realized, that the music won’t stop as long as they are working together, close together. If Kate didn’t work with Castle anymore, the music would gradually stop, and the relationship would end. I think Kate is afraid of arguments, worried that it would end their relationships. Thus she didn’t push Castle when she should, because she want the relationship to last. Someone (like Lanie, or Jim) should smack her head, telling her that sometimes arguments are necessary for a relationship.

You wrote that “The root of the job fiasco is that Beckett didn’t know where the relationship is going “, Thats the point i disagree with the most. How after Still when a man is willing to die for you can you not know where the relationship is going ? Its the highest proof of devotion someone could ever get. Thats why i said the writing the last 3 eps was bad and totally off. How could she doubt his commitment to her when all Castle has done was in total devotion to her. Think about it. If your wife or leved one behaved like she did in SQ how would you feel ? I would be furious like hell. She let someone in so close , nowhere did she defend her man Castle. It was disgusting to me. 5 years of briliantly putting this relationship together and now in 3 eps the writers have crated a situation where no matter what she says the damage has been done. In my eyes Caskett will never be the same. These people with flaws but deep down you knew they were perfect for each other.
Rewatching thoses eps i would say to Castle as a friend “RUN”,

That’s why I said SQ is a ep with bad writing. Caskett’s reaction to the kiss were odd and wired. The writers really did a bad job on that ep. I said I’m ok with the kiss because I expected Kate made a mistake, doesn’t mean I agree with Kate’s action. The writers had gone too far in that ep.

To be honest, the timing is really odd for Still. The only reason I could come up with is after Kate said ILY in Still, she want more, but Castle didn’t show much in return, thus she didn’t know where their relationship is going. It has nothing to do with whether she love him or not, but she didn’t know whether he want it or not. She expected more, but he gave her much less. But again, the writers should have done better in SQ. SQ is wired to me, and it’s on my list of top 5 bad eps of Castle.

I don’t agree that Castle didn’t show that in return. I said it already before. If choosing a video game over sex once means he is taking her for granted then I wish I would have a girlfriend who takes me for granted like Castle does.
Castle showed more in return in my opinion. She told him she loves him in Still and right after that Castle stayed with her willing to die and leave his daughter behind. What more does the guy has to do? Wait for her for a year? Oh he already did that. Beckett blames Castle for not knowing if they where serious when she was with Vaughn. But that was her fault too. She didn’t ask Castle where they where going until after the Vaughn case. So she lets Vaughn charm her because she doesn’t know where there relationship is going, while that is as much her fault as Castle’s. And when she wants to know about his marriages she asks his ex wife in stead of him huh? All her past actions have showed Castle she doesn’t want to talk about moving forward and becoming serious. She has always hold them back and runned away from him. Don’t forget that Beckett had the upper hand in their relationship until Still. Beckett already knew for TWO years Castle loves her, while Castle didn’t know that about Beckett. She needed TWO years before she could say I Love You back. That doesn’t shows as she easily moves forward.
He gave her less? I really don’t see that. What did Beckett gave him then? And please that birthday gift was nice and all but that doesn’t show she wants to become serious. If willing to die with you is in your opinion giving her less well then we have very different opinions about relationships. She obviously needs to hear from Castle everyday she is so remarkable and so good at her job. And when she doesn’t she needs to hear it from some playboy. Like Castle hasn’t showed her for years how remarkable she is. When has Kate ever said that to him? Does Castle know he is remarkable to her? When has she ever complemented him on his writing? Said he was a good writer or wrote a good book because I can’t think of anytime. Actually he got a better compliment from Gates about his writing then from Beckett.
What did Beckett show Castle then after Still? That she wants to have sex with him? After Still Beckett showed just as less to Castle as he to her. Hell her actions after Still show in my opinion she wants Castle less then the other way around. It felt pretty much as a break up initiator. I can’t really see that taking for granted thing, because then Kate took him for granted in the last 3 episodes too.

I am not defending Castle. And I am not defending Beckett. Both have made so many stupid mistakes. But Beckett makes a mistake and people say she has reasons because Castle showed her less or is taking her for granted. And that’s what I hate. Castle screwes up and he gets the full blame, there are no good reasons for what he does. Beckett does something exactly the same and she gets away with it because she has good reasons.
After Wathershed, the ball is in Kate’s court now. Not Castle’s. Castle made it clear. Despite of her many many flaws, despite of her lying to him again and again he still wants to marry her no matter what. That’s an unconditional proposal. Not one of desperation but full of love. He just wants her how she is and where she is. That proves how much he loves her. Now it’s Kate’s turn to prove that. Because compared to what Castle did over all these years she has not proved that to him at all.

When I though of Beckett’s action in SQ, I took what happen in Still out of the eq. Still is an additional ep, and I feel odd for the storyline, as it didn’t bridge the old storyline with the 3-ep arc well. I think they have already planned the whole storyline, then ABC ordered an extra ep, thus they write Still, try to fit it with the storyline, but failed. The story made more sense if Still was not aired as 5×21.

And again, SQ is an ep of bad writing. I think what AM try to show us is that Beckett is a very insecure, guard person, so insecure that she avoid argument with Castle (as I said), knowing he would probably deflect the questions, or didn’t end well, like she asked the ex-wife instead about his marriage instead of Castle himself. They both have flaws, and they both have the fair share of this downfall. But I agreed, that the writers had gone too far in that ep.

And I agree with you, that Beckett had taken Castle for granted for a long time. To be honest, I was kind of disappointed on that part with Beckett. I though what happen in the secrets-arc in season 4 had taught her a lesson. Apparently I was wrong, again.

There is an imbalance of character development in Castle. If Castle is holding back as Martha suggest, I hope we could see him man up in season 6, and Beckett worked hard to repair the damage she made.

You know Samuel but that’s what I don’t like about Marlowe’s writing. I didn’t know at all Still was an extra episode. But even if it was it shouldn’t matter. There are more people who don’t read articles all the time and now about these things. For the most people who watch Castle, Still was just an episode that was part of the season like every other episode.
If they added Still later they should have thought about the fact people don’t know it’s an additional episode and just see it as an episode part of the season and the storyline. He should either put Still somewhere else, maybe right before or right after the 100th episode. Or he shouldn’t have made Still at all. I liked the episode but it didn’t make any sense for the storyline.
Hell Still could have made a finale episode. Because despite the fact that Still was an additional episode there happened a lot of important things in it. Two things happened in Still I always thought would happen in the season finale. Beckett saying I love you and Gates finding out.
Marlowe made a mistake here. He should have realised that after Still the three episodes didn’t make sense at all. And he should have realised that people see Still as a part of the season and storyline and not just an additional episode.

I disagree with most of the points in Samuel’s comments. There are some which are valid, but is overall theme that Castle is as much to blame as Beckett ignores the reality of the last three episodes.

As someone in another thread or board, old age prevents me from determining which, said “I’m beginning to hate Beckett. It only took Marlow three episodes to divide the fan base, and he won’t have that many eps to reunite them. Andrew had better step on it

If i was to assign blame it would be around 90% Beckett 10% Castle honestly. The 10% of Castle being that he is by natzre a man child and always will be. Getting distracted by silly things and such . It is something i dont think will ever change. But his heart is always in the right place. Beckett on the other hand i really start to dislike. Shes the kind of woman who expects everything and beyond. She needs to be told how pretty she is how remarkable she is. Just look how flattered she was when she was offered that DV job. She buys right into something like that. To me that is NOT an attractive trait to have. It is rather shallow and self absorbed to me. The last 3 episoded thoise traits were even more magnified to the point that i would rather see Castle to run for the hills because he deserves more. Like he said on the swings and i dont think Beckett is capable of giving more.

(this is for Christine’s comment that she thought Caskett’s relationship was strong. Becoz I can’t reply her comment, thus I post my reply here)
That’s the other problem I had with SQ, as mentioned in my first comment. AM tried to show the progression in a subtle way, which is good, as long as the audience could pick them up. But most of the audience didn’t pick those hints up, and then AM used (around) 5 minutes air time to show they have a problem. Audience didn’t know how serious the problem is, and they were surprised when Beckett made her mistake. To most audiences, the problem was suddenly pop out of nowhere, without much signs from the past eps. Those they were shocked and started complaining.

What I’m trying to say is, if we glanced their relationship in season 5, Castle and Beckett both had the same share of blame. But if we only looked at those 3 eps, that I must say, Beckett had a larger part of blame that Castle.

I would also say to run, but too late for that. I think that S7Q was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. It was disgusting to see Beckett flirting with Vaughn and watching her cavort with him while she drank on the job. Don’t worry, however, the Beckett lovers will tell you how this was the same as 5-2 when Castle was cornered by Cottera(sp). I have reviewed that ep several times and the most striking thing in it was that Castle was on the defense all the time. He never did anything to led her on…absolutely nothing. Compare that to that stalwart of honesty and virtue, Kate Beckett. I think that the most ironic part of the ep was Beckett lying like a dog to Castle and then when she was pinned against the wall and had to come up with a more plausible story, she leads off with, “I’m not going to lie to you”, when we’ve all watched her lie. Evidently Marlowe thinks all of us are so Beckett struck that we’ll never notice it.

Sorry, Ralph. You’re seeing what you want to see. Vaughn was trying to seduce Beckett, and she wasn’t the only woman in Castle’s life that saw Vaughn’s attractiveness and charm. That doesn’t mean she’d act on it. Plenty of women think Brad Pitt or George Clooney are dreamy, but that’s from a distance. They’re not looking to cheat. The charisma if you met them in person would probably throw anybody, but again, that doesn’t mean cheating. Beckett’s body language made it clear she thought Vaughn was being forward and it’s rather annoying when you’re trying to do your job. She wasn’t responding to it emotionally. She’s not “cavort”ing or flirting. It’s not disgusting. You’re projecting. As far as Castle’s behavior, the running joke of the show is that he’s constantly getting himself into situations where it looks worse than it is, but any of us would be temporarily thrown by things we see, like his being with Coterra. As with the 3XK shenanigans of the recent past, Kate knows the real Castle and he ought to’ve known the real Beckett, but he’s paranoid because wife #1 cheated on him. Of course wife #1 told Beckett it was essentially Castle’s fault for the divorce because he wouldn’t open up, making Beckett concerned about something when if she’d known the truth, she’d have been more sensitive to why Castle was jealous. Vaughn’s the one trying to kiss Beckett. She didn’t exactly want to spend this time with him. He requested HER.

I have trouble understanding how she was showing her annoyance with Vaughn while she was trying to do her job. I missed the subtext of drinking champagne, with her gun off on the desk and talking with “Eric” not even Vaughn (Castle not Rick) while he gets close enough to kiss her with only a minor push on her part. If there was no shot I think it would be amazing clear to both parties how this would end. It’s kind of naive, but nice that you think this is the way some one in a relationship should act.

What I think after reading all these postings and considering not just my own opinion but also opinion of other friends/relatives of mine who do not post here is that …WE– practically, I should say– ALL did not agree with ep SQ regarding Kate’s behavior. I think we agree that both characters had their problems in communication, however SQ went above and beyond of what one would expect in a relationship whether the relationship was weak or strong, so that’s why we see so many of us ,fans, kind of hurt by the writer and trying to patch here and there to find an plausible explanation for Kate’s action on that night… champagne, “kiss”, words about her relationship with someone that she barely knew… So, I see fans trying to figure out an excuse for that, so some putting blame on Castle, others blaming Kate for all those years of defenseless… what is going on is that WE did not like that episode AT ALL, the worse one in the whole series, let’s all face it and agree at least one time with each other. Either we find fault in Kate or in Rick, that episode should not have been written, or at least, wrote in a different way, keeping problems of Caskett’s relationship with them and maybe their real friends, but not with a person Kate just met. It was odd, and that’s why, deep inside, we have to figure out a way of dealing with it, maybe we all need to see Kate’s psychologist to be able to digest that eps. Sorry that’s my humble opinion…

Nelmar, very well said. While it’s clear I’m in the blame Beckett camp from SQ onwards, it really is because of the bad writing putting her in such a bad light which I don’t think was consistent with her character at all. I’ve said before I thought the writers were handling the relationship pretty well up through Still, not perfect, but well. It then appears for some reason they wanted some existential crisis even if it made no sense. Why do we need a “cliffhangar?” What fan would not have been thrilled if these last three episodes came before Still as deaths of the week and then we ended with Still? Beckett finally declares her love and they both end happily contemplating what it means that they’ve just begun. Wouldn’t that have been more than enough excitement to bring the fans back next year?

Just a question I have that I’ve thought about now for a month. In ‘Watershed’, when Castle found the boarding pass and confronted Kate, why did Kate get so angry? She was furious when she talked to Espo. Why? All Castle did was confront her with the facts? They didn’t have a ‘fight’. She didn’t have a leg to stand on. Why didn’t she just drop her head and slink on back to the precinct? She had absolutely no right to get angry at Castle. Just another example of the absolutely awful writing of Marlowe, and this is the man that many supporters are saying will get everything straight in 6-1. How much would you be willing to wager he’ll come through? I wouldn’t bet the outhouse on it.

I always though the story development of Watershed is a bit melodramatic. I believe AM used this to create antsy. I think Beckett’s angry at that moment because he looked through her stuff again (although she felt safe to left her things with Castle), just like what he did in “Secret’s Safe With Me”, and Beckett was already on edge a bit with the job offer. Thus her anger was set off when Castle confront her with the boarding pass. Again, I feel the whole “argument” to be a bit melodramatic.

He didn’t look through her stuff it fell on the floor and he picked it up. Again there is a history of lying and hiding stuff from him. There would be huge trust issue if it were me. But you just watch Marlowe won’t address this he will let Beckett slide and Castle will forgive her and probably run and get her a coffee.

Yes, Castle didn’t look through stuff, but Beckett was chopping vegetables, didn’t pay attention to Castle until she realized he found the boarding pass. Thus I think Beckett though Castle looked through her stuff again, and this is the only reason that I could think off. As for Castle’s forgiveness, I think unless AM has a good explanation to back it up (probably by Castle’s past), it will always be a major problem in the story development.

Sorry Samuel, I have zero confidence in Marlowe’s ability to do anything right. After all, he’s the reason we are at this juncture, isn’t he? As I have said more than once, you can’t split your fan base and expect to survive. Especially when the fan base is as evenly divided as this one. Perhaps Marlowe can entitle the next show, ‘Me and Kate’ by Andrew Marlowe.

I love castle and beckett dynamic, and of course i ship them so hard! But there’s something i would like to point out some negative points this season. Tell me if you have the same opinion.

1.I feel like since castle and kate are together they lost some dynamic between them is gone.
2.The kisses are empty. Even in “still” that last kiss seemed pushed. There’s comparision between the kisses in season 5 with the kiss in season 3″knockdown” and 4×23″always”. The only great kiss was that one in bed in the hamptons (5×04) and in 5×18 where castle tells her about the jordan company. Not even a love scene between them we got to see.

2. The squab and quail, was totally out of Kate character: Of course she was insecure about where their relationship were headed and Castle wasn’t having the best behaviour. But if you look back in season 3 in L.A episode, she was in josh and she got the chance of be with castle, and she choose not to; whereas now she feel tempted by Erik, not only for the kiss, but she felt uncomfortable when he asked her if she was with Castle. She said “yes” without being sure, wich is weird, since they have been together for a year, and after she has the knowledge that his intentions with her was real.

3. The Last episodes didn’t have much story development, the “human factor” and the season finale, were too much case heavy. They should had focus more in charecters, because there was a lot of things going on, to only give the 3 finale minutes to the storyline.

5. Rick as no social life anymore. I miss the famous rick castle, who’s gone. Remeber in his birthday party, he didn’t get any phone call and his party was only with his co-workers. Only in 5×06 they did a little book singning, but they should bring back the famous guy again.

6.The proposal. Was beautiful in my opinion, but i think it could be better. I was expecting more to be honest. I don’t now if they have something planed, but for now, the proposal was inappropriate.

So what do you guys think, share the same opinion? I would like too read your thoughts :)

The absolute most intimate thing I’ve seen was Beckett touching Castle’s foot in ep 100. This was something only a close lover would do. Love scenes are technical and shot from many angles and edited. If they are bad, blame the director and film editor. The Castle in 4 X 23 was essentially a starving man. He had been waiting for Beckett for 4 years. The kiss in Knockdown was an act of desperation.( Also, Stana was deliberately trying to make a puddle of Nathan.) This season Caskett is supposed to be sleeping together all the time.That is calmer and more comfortable. I imagine that after the recent troubles some intensity may return. That is actually a good reason to write in troubles. We may essentially see some make-up sex. Could be fun if the director is good and Nathan and Stana are well rested. We can hope.

Glad you see what others choose not to see because they’re so busy acting like there are sides to take here. Both of them are screwing things up because they’re humans with baggage, not because they’re not in love. They’re incredibly intimate and close from a physical standpoint. Kate wants more and is afraid of it at the same time. She’s also afraid that if she’s open and pursues it, Rick will fall back on what ruined marriage #1 (and probably #2), the inability to open up. Now Deep Fried Twinkie cheated on him which is what hurt him, but the reason she probably gave herself was she didn’t feel like she was in a real marriage. Kate wants a real marriage with Rick. Does she believe saying yes to him now gets her that? Or does she hold out for a deeper version of Castle? He’s making a grand gesture, trying to take her warts and all. Is she getting Rick that same way? Does she say yes now hoping it’ll work out in the end? Should she get the foundation right first? All these questions and more, answered next season on “Castle.” ;)

I have to agree with you at least in some of your points, hotcrakerfilipa. I have posted before (maybe over a month ago) that I thought that season 5 wasn’t as good as the other seasons, for a lack of better word. That caskett’s relationship should be a little stronger, but I saw little things that I was not hoping for. But because I literally love this series, and love the actors themselves, I always had expectancy that the following eps would be a little more romantic, more meaty, that they would be more serious with each other, but I did not see it too much. I hated SQ ep, Caskett’s relationship was, I thought, off path, Beckett’s behavior deviated a lot from the main road, who wrote that eps? have to go back to the list of Castle’s eps and see who the writer was. It felt that everything was disconnected, I don’t know, just don’t have the right words to say how it did not make me or my family happy. So, hotcrakerfilipa, I also have posted before that in my opinion, Castle should not have proposed, that Beckett should accept the job, Castle should go to the Hamptons, begin writing short stories, fedexed them to Beckett, it would be the only means of communication between them. Castle would disregard her calls, as he did in Always, and for a few eps, the Monday eps for us would be Beckett reading Castle’s mystery stories after a hard day at work, the characters in the stories were all of them at the 12 precinct, some kind of The Blue Butterfly eps. This way all characters were performing but just in her imagination. After her probationary time, she would have reached a conclusion that she made a mistake, she really wanted to have the relationship she always dreamed of during that first 4 seasons, and literally decline the job in dc, go back to NY, look for Castle, and at that point a mature communication should take place between both of them and a firm, steady relationship should branch from that meeting, but for that, Castle should not have had proposed. Now I don’t know how AM will mend Caskett’s relationship, I know he will find a way, but It is kind of hard to see the other side of the bridge from this vintage point. I hope AM will come up with something very special to patch all these holes in caskett’s lives, I am a real fan of Castle and want this series to be there for a few more years, but AM needs to make the fans happy so the audience will keep increasing. By the way, Happy Father’s Day to fathers out there! and to husbands of wives who post here!

The comments on this site are just hilarious. You guys are all serious Castle fans! I have to agree with the tone and direction of most of the comments, i.e. that Beckett is 90% at fault and Castle is maybe 10% at fault. I too am a die hard fan of the show, but I have been severely disappointed by the final 3 episodes in the arc. I used to love the character of Beckett but now I find myself wanting to kick her in the teeth. I agree with the poster who said that they wished they had a boyfriend who took advantage of them like Castle takes advantage of Beckett. The guy has given up EVERYTHING for her but it is never enough. He no longer does book tours, attends wild book promotion parties, hangs out with his famous friends, or chases hordes of beautiful women. He spends all of his time, completely free of charge, helping Beckett and friends to solve murder after murder (actually, he works for free but he ends up spending his own money for her!! Remember the $100,000 that he gave to Beckett in Sucker Punch to pay for the hit man that they tried to lure in? He never got that money back.) He ultimately was willing to sacrifice his own life for her, but she still has the audacity to question his commitment? How many men do you think would be willing to give their lives for a woman that they were becoming bored with, or a woman that they eventually intended to dump? The idea is so stupid that it is just laughable! TSTQ started this whole downhill fiasco. For all of you that thought, along with SO MANY other Castle fans, that this was the worst episode of Castle ever made, and probably the worst episode of any network TV program ever made, please visit the site at the following link and join our little group, called TSTQ HATERS ANONYMOUS. http://origin.tvfanatic.com/2013/05/castle-season-5-report-card-a/. This awful episode made me so angry that I nearly became a Beckett hater, or more correctly, a Marlowe hater. I believe that anyone who tries to compare this episode and Beckett’s behavior to S5E2 and Castle’s behavior is just wrong. First of all, in E2, the relationship was so new that neither of them knew what the future might hold. They were actually trying to hide their relationship by pretending that they were single. Now, I agree that Castle should never have agreed to the date with the skanky weather lady. But he was clearly not happy when she showed up on his door step. He did everything in his power to shut her down, almost. I think that he may have had to hurt her, either by grabbing her arms really hard and giving her a hard shake, by dragging her out the door and locking her out, or by slapping her to her senses. Clearly, this is something that our Castle would never do so it is fortunate that Beckett busted in when she did. Her behavior afterwards was typical Beckett. She avoided him, went home from work alone that night, slammed her apartment door in his face, then barely gave him his due when he apologized profusely. Finally, she refused to kiss him because she had the image of ‘boobs’ on her mind. Now lets look at Beckett’s behavior. She went into the situation knowing that Castle was very jealous and upset at the outset. She then swooned over the nice complements that Vaughn was giving her. It took practically nothing to get her to violate her job rules and her own personal ethics when she agreed to have a full glass of champagne with him. She KNEW what he was trying to do when he was asking her the questions about Castle, complementing her, and then telling her that there is nothing complicated about knowing what to do when you have a woman like her. But she still let him get right up in her face, then yes, she closed her eyes, leaned forward with her lips pursed, and was in a very receptive stance. She did manage to push him away right after their lips brushed briefly. I find it to be hysterical that she lied to Castle when he confronted her about it, but when he continued to push, she came forward with the line ‘I’m not going to lie to you Castle.’ Huh? Did she mean ‘I’m not going to CONTINUE to lie to you?’ And as so many of you mentioned, when caught in her lie and her display of unrequited infidelity, she never even came close to an apology. In fact, she acted as though it was all Castle’s fault for taking her for granted. That should be a very ominous indication for Castle when Beckett may decide to cheat on him if she doesn’t think that he is paying her proper attention in the future! Hello Meredith!!! Castle, of course, goes overboard when trying to make it right again and apologize to her. The Human Factor was simply an exercise in Castle bashing, inaccurate story telling (yes, Castle is a very good marksman), and Beckett worship. Watershed simply added another (maybe the final) nail in our Caskett. Her behavior throughout the entire episode was just appalling. My first fit of anger came when Beckett showed up late to the crime scene and failed to even acknowledge Castle. He just finished telling Esposito that she had left him alone to write for a few days so we get the idea that they hadn’t seen each other during that time. So when Beckett sees Castle for the first time, after at least two days of being apart, she doesn’t say hello, no kiss on the cheek, no touching his hand, wrapping her arm around him for just a second, or any other sign of affection that you would expect to see from a couple in love. Then she lies repeatedly when questioned about where she was and she acts aggravated that he even dared to ask. When Castle found the boarding pass and confronted her, her response was horrendously selfish. Out came the familiar “this is not about you, it’s about my life,” and “please don’t make this about us.” I think Castle responded the way that any of us would respond in a similar situation. The person you loved went to interview for a job in another city without discussing it with you, and then they lied about it repeatedly to try to hide it from you. I don’t give a rats ass what her motivation was! She was down right wrong, period!!! I think that Castle walked out at that point so that his anger wouldn’t control the situation and allow him to say things that he didn’t mean. I’m not going to rehash the advice given by the parents because this post could turn into a novel. The most poignant detail to come from this was when Beckett’s dad told her that whatever decision she made, it would have to be what she wants, not because she is afraid. Her response to this was “I want this job,” followed later by “he is going to hate me dad.” There can be no question what her choice was at that point. I despised her for even contemplating the ‘Castle vs. job’ scenario. I also found myself wondering how Gates arrived at her decision to give Beckett her highest recommendation. Barely a year before this, these were her words: “Withholding evidence, lying to a superior officer? You have dishonored this city and dishonored the badge. You don’t deserve to wear the uniform. I am putting both of you on administrative leave, effective immediately.” Beckett has repeatedly shown that she will not follow orders if she feels justified in doing so, that she relies heavily on all three of her partners to help solve cases, that she is dishonest, and that she lives by her own set of rules. Many of these traits are absolutely contradictory to what they look for in a good federal agent (i.e. they follow orders without question, they work well alone, she is involved with a famous author who uses real life events from her cases as a source of material for his books ) How does any of this justify her highest recommendation? Her mini tantrum at the precinct when Esposito followed her to the break room to ask her what was going on, was so reminiscent of the scene when she stomped through the precinct in Always, that you probably could switch the two and not affect the story. I am in the camp of viewers who believe that Beckett made her final decision about the job (therefore, she changed her mind from the decision she made when she left her dad) during the final interrogation scene. She ultimately decided that the 12th precinct was her home. This decision was NOT made because of Castle so there is no need for her to ‘try the job’ in S6E1 to avoid the possibility of blaming Castle for it in the future. That is why they purposefully avoided having her look at Castle’s chair when she left the interrogation room. The response to Ryan and Esposito when they asked her what was going on, “look guys, there is something that I have to tell you, but there is someone else that I have to tell first,” is very simply meant to convey to them that she realizes how concerned they are that she and Castle had this big fight and that she understands that they need to know if everything is going to be okay. She is telling them that she will explain everything, including the part about being offered the job and declining it, but that talking with Castle is more important at the moment. I believe that she walked towards the swings knowing that she was going to tell Castle that she was not taking the job. Unfortunately, I also believe that her attempt to apologize for lying to him (i.e. “I’m sorry for keeping secrets.”) was pathetic and insincere. I get the feeling that the only thing she was sorry about was that it caused a fight between them. There was a moment when she experienced intense fear, when Castle was shaking his head as if to say ‘no’ and he said “I’ve decided that I want more. I think that we both deserve more.” She looked up and away from him and gave a little gasp, suggesting that she thought ‘this is it, he is dumping me.’ As to her response, “I agree,” I am in the camp with all 100% of you who have no idea what this was supposed to mean. Who knows. I firmly believe that the proposal truly shocked her. She had NO IDEA that it was coming or that it even could have been coming. There can only be one answer to this question that will not effectively ruin five years of relationship buildup, and that is an unqualified YES. I’m not saying this because it is what I want her to say. I want Castle to dump her on her ass for a while and make her work as hard as he has had to work to get him back. But that won’t happen. If she says no, Castle would never forgive her and the story could not go on no matter what they conjure up. A ‘not yet’ is still a no and it just won’t work. The only answer that works is a ‘yes’ but also a ‘let’s make sure we have a long engagement so that we can work out some of our serious issues and work on our communication.’ Viewers will not be satisfied though, if Beckett gets off this easy after all that she put Castle through. He will need to man up and put his cards on the table, telling her that there will be no more lies from her, no more belittling comments, no questioning of his commitment, a mutual agreement to assassinate Eric Vaughn, and a lot more work on her part to show him that she appreciates him.

Love this rant and I agree that there should not have been a proposal. As I’ve said before, Castle should have told her off saying until you are ready to be completely honest with me we have nothing. By the way, are you the same Tonya that tried to argue with the Beckett worshipers on the Gossip and Gab site? If so, my suggestion is to give up. I posted negative comments on Joy’s original review of TSTQ noting that Beckett’s actions with Vaughn were those of a woman dangerously close to starting an affair. One of the points in support was that she called him Eric and that the only people she had ever regularly called by their first names were men she’d had intimate relationships with, Will (Sorenson) and Josh (Davidson). The reviewer’s comment was that those were casual relationships, not intimate ones. She has an exclusive year long, sexual relationship with Josh and it’s casual? I hope Joy’s husband knows her definition of casual. Imagine he gets a phone call, “Hey hon, just going out for a CASUAL drink with Joe from work, so I’ll be home late.” At that point I realized the folks on the site were so divorced from reality that there was no point in discussing anything with them.

KHorn, yes I’m the same Tonya. One of the idiots on that site called me an immature and inexperienced Castle viewer because I dared to have my own opinions and I was not a Beckett worshiper. They absolutely INSISTED that Beckett does not lie! HUH??? Some of the comments they posted made me think that the site was secretly selling Beckett Kool-Aid laced with PCP to all of its loyal followers. I flew the coup before they juiced me!!

It is amazing how the ‘Beckettes’ circle the wagons if you dare criticize the “queen”. Beckett has shown that she is a proven liar, cheat and untrustworthy companion. If you bring this to their attention, they manage to tell more lies in her defence than she could say in ten episodes. I like to listen to their challenges(ie, she’s not a liar) and show them wrong. I still have some arguing me about Castle’s marksmanship.

I can still see Castle nailing the target 3 times in season 1 and saying you’re a good teacher. Also an observation in the s&q. At the end Beckett said its over I’m not sure she was talking just about the case I think she was also talking about her and Vaughn.

I don’t want to make this personal, I has been in diferent forums and I think the problem with some of the Beckett defenders is that, they cannot separate Stana Katic from Kate the character, so whatever the character do, she does no wrong.

On the contrary. Beckett haters are irrational. You go running her down but joke’s on you. She’s the heroine in this story. You’re only ruining it for yourselves by hating her. I love both characters, even when they get in their own way. Spoiler alert, whatever goes on between them, Castle and Beckett are endgame. People were finding reason after reason to whine this year. Not enough fanfiction sex or kissing? Really? The level of intimacy we got is greater than any fanfic scene you could write. It’s what real love stories look like. Kate’s closer to Castle than she’s ever been to anyone as an adult. That drawer wasn’t just a drawer. You think Josh ever got a drawer? Nope. This is new territory, and he’s holding out his hand, wanting to do this together. She can move forward with him, and she will in some fashion, because that’s the story Marlowe is telling. True romantics are on board because they get it. “In Marlowe We Trust” is a saying that pays off every time. I’ve prepared for you a nice glass of Caskett Kool-Aid. Take a sip. You’ll enjoy things a lot more.

Yes, I felt like I’d wandered into some bizarro world and needed to leave before I became infected. I think my reaction to the last three episodes is so strong because they amplified minor irritations I had with the show and how the characters were portrayed. I really want Marlow and Company to spend the entire hiatus watching and re-watching seasons 1 and 2. Those were the characters that brought me back show after show. In those seasons we really were shown the complementary strengths and weaknesses of the characters. Castle was a bit of a 9 year old on a sugar rush, but also an excellent parent, a man about town comfortable in almost any social setting, outside of police work, and with a wide range of knowledge outside the normal world of police work that helped out on cases (like the case with diamonds smuggled inside of snakes where he realized that species shouldn’t be coming from South Africa). Beckett was a very capable detective with strong interview and investigative skills, but still able to have empathy for the victims, a strong sense of duty and still able to think outside the box when needed. Socially she was a bit awkward and easily star struck, with the mayor at the fundraiser and Joe Freaking Torre, and so understandably a bit hesitant and unsure of herself in relationships. Working together they tease each other equally, both giving as good as they get, but show a fundamental respect as well, each recognizing that the other brings something to the work relationship the other doesn’t have. That started to change in season 3 and then really changed in seasons 4&5. Now he’s just the odious comic relief for the now amazingly sophisticated, awesome super woman that is Kate Beckett, she of the wild night life of way out clubs and nude modeling. Is that consistent with the woman who said romance is dead every Saturday night? I liked the old slightly awkward Beckett and the more self-assured Castle, they each had something to offer the other, but not now. She needed him to bring some joy and whimsy into her life and he needed her to bring a dose of reality and focus on real life issues. The last three episodes just gave us that dufus Castle and uber Beckett in spades, with her constantly belittling Castle, blaming him for the awkwardness that her own actions created and him, in the end, just taking it all and coming back for more. Of course she’s checked out of the relationship, the way they’ve shown Castle, what woman would want him? On the other hand, how could any man want the self centered, lying Beckett as a wife? Everyone keeps saying they are both flawed, and early on in the show I would have agreed, but now the writers have decided only Castle can have any real flaws, Beckett’s issues or deep and meaningful personality traits, not really flaws. So he wasn’t in the mood when she was means that suddenly he’s put the relationship in crisis and needs to apologize and make up for his oh so egregious error. By the way, does it work in reverse? If he is in the mood and she’s not is she supposed to just drop her drawers anyway? Somehow I doubt it. She shares a drink with another man, touches his face, discusses intimate details of her life and lets him kiss her, but not only does she not owe an apology, but Castle is in the wrong for being upset. I mean really, who did more damage to the relationship? Come on Marlowe, balance these two out like they were before. Let Castle stand up for himself and let Beckett eat some humble pie, then they can have a real relationship, not what you’ve shown us.

They have put on some new writers, so that may help. They did not entirely trash Castle. He certainly was heroic in Still. Beckett was very loving and caring in ep 100. They have kind of made Castle the buffoon and exalted Beckett in the last few episodes. It is also not particularly likely that such a high level job would be offered to a cop who had been suspended for insubordination. That is very dubious writing. Actually something similar happened on NCIS. Tony, who is no fool, was made a buffoon to keep him away from superwoman Ziva. I stopped watching for a long time. They seem to be straightening that out, maybe too late. They’ll be up against Agents of Shield. Castle writers better act fast before they come up against some huge challenge as well. Nathan is getting a great deal of PR attention this summer with Much Ado and Monsters University and Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters and the Justice League. He is the one in front of the public and he is the one people will be looking at. AWM has to be aware of that. The publicity will be good for Castle if they don’t blow it. The proposal has shown Castle to be the better person. He will stand by his beloved Beckett, no matter what. It is not that he hasn’t loved her in spite of her flaws. In 4 X 23, when he reiterated his love for her he also pointed out that she was frustrating, infuriating, and challenging. He loved her as she was – as she still is. He acknowledged that he knows the flawed woman that she is before he proposed. He accepts it. If Beckett was telling the truth when she said she loved him in Still, the question is how much? Can she accept his flaws as she accepts his? Hurry September!

Khorn, amen sister! I cannot understand the crisis situation that the writers created just because Castle was playing a video game. Lets look at the reality of the situation. Castle was playing an online video game against a kid from India who was on the phone with him at the time. This would suggest that he was pretty deeply involved in the game and had been for at least a little while. So Beckett decides that she wants a little somethin somethin, and she barges in on him with her little tease. Am I supposed to believe that he is expected to drop everything instantly just because she walked in the room? What about the time invested in the game, his score, and what about the poor kid on the other end of the phone? Does he just hang up on the kid with no explanation? Was he supposed to say, “hey baby, come on over here and give me some lovin,” while the CHILD was on the other end of the phone? To his credit, he did quit the game and hang up on the kid. A much more realistic situation would have gone like this. Beckett is “in the mood” so she peeks into the room that Castle is in and asks him how much longer he will be playing the game. She then tells him that she is feeling frisky and that she would really love it if he came into the bedroom when he was finished with his game. She could tease that she had a great way to drain all of the testosterone that he built up while playing the game. I can guarantee that the game would have ended very quickly and Castle would have been quite excited. The fact that she barged in and interrupted his game, then basically demanded that he drop everything to service her, was just plain ignorant. Trying to convince viewers that this created a crisis and that Castle was suddenly taking her for granted was ludicrous! And using that crisis to lead into the situation with Vaughn just made me sick to my stomach. As I mentioned before, this should be a very ominous warning sign for Castle. If Beckett feels neglected or taken for granted in the future, it seems as though she plans to behave just like Meredith did, go cheat on Castle.

Tonya, glad you enjoy my comments, but alas I am a married father of three, so not a member of the sisterhood. Good to know I apparently am in touch with my feminine side. You are one of the first to articulate at length what I felt about the flip side of the whole game issue. I agree that if your partner is engrossed in doing something they enjoy, no matter how silly you might think it is, you can cool your jets until they’re done. And you’re right, if she insists that he perform on schedule, that is stud service, not love. Once again to those who disagree I’ll ask, is she expected to do the same on his schedule? You can’t have it both ways. It’s another example of the imbalance in the relationship the writers have created and the continuing elevation of Beckett from attractive, able cop with some issues to the amazing queen of the world, the sexist woman around who can stop traffic 10 blocks away just by bending over to tie her shoe. I liked the way they originally presented her, completely in her element at work, but uncomfortable and a bit lonely outside it. That was why she needed Castle, to teach her how to have fun and to open some social doors for her. They showed a little of that character when she talked about why she liked Nebula Nine in college where she said she worried about what people thought about her so she liked the strong female lead. If you think about it, the only reason her mother’s death could affect her ability to have a relationship is if she basically stopped maturing emotionally at that point, especially as she needed to care for her alcoholic father. That seems to have been the original concept, not the newer concern for not wanting to hurt like that again. Why would a parent’s death lead to thinking that way about your personal relationships? While her mother’s death was tragic and earlier than expected, the fact is we all assume that we are going to outlive our parents, but that doesn’t stop us from getting married and having families ourselves. But for some reason the writers couldn’t keep her that way, so now she has this back story where she is supposed to have had this wild club hopping night life and apparently learned to drive a Ferrari, so she clearly didn’t shut down after her mother’s death, she just decided to bed hop (based on her coyness about her number) and run as soon as things get serious. The writers have changed her into this super sexy wild child career driven woman to the point there is no reason for her to need a long term relationship with anyone, much less the new and diminished comic relief Castle. I liked the Beckett who didn’t have anything to wear to a fancy ball, needing Castle to help her out, not the one who can go home and put on the black sheath she just happened to have in the closet.

KHorn, amen brother! Sorry for putting you into the ranks of the sisterhood. You are in touch with your feminine side and I am apparently in touch with my masculine side according to some. I was trying to respond to your 6/24 comment but there was no reply link. I agree completely with your statements about demanding sex from your partner. I also agree with what you said about being respectful of things that your partner is interested in, regardless of whether you share that interest or not. What if Beckett was engrossed in some activity and had a friend on the phone with her, then Castle walked in and did the same thing to her? I can promise you that she would have been whining about how men are pigs, all they want is sex, and how he expects her to perform on demand. So why is it different they way portrayed it here? Why is Castle suddenly taking her for granted? Did it occur to Beckett that Castle may be doing these things with the toys and games because he has a huge empty void in his life since Alexis left for college? He is filling that void with things that remind him of Alexis! But I think that Beckett is too self centered and dense to appreciate any emotional issue outside of herself. She is suddenly assuming that everything he does or says is about her, not about him or his family or his problems. I also agree completely that the whole idea of Beckett having these deep relationship problems that arose because of her mother’s murder is just stupid. She was not a child when it happened. She was 19 years old and she had been raised in a very loving two parent home, therefore, I feel that she should have had a pretty strong emotional core to build upon when it occurred. I got shredded on that Gab site for saying this. They tried to convince me that it was PTSD that caused the problems and that I knew nothing of this disorder (funny, since I am a physician). Again, I think they spike the Kool-Aid with Beckett PCP over there. Maybe the writers are simply not creative enough to come up with a back story and life events that could really give us these future emotional consequences. I also question whether the writers really thought about what they were creating when they showed Kate doing all that she did with Vaughn in that hotel room. It showed me that Beckett will turn on Castle like a rabid dog if he does anything to hurt her in the future. If he neglects her in any way, then she will simply cheat on him to teach him a lesson. It also showed me that she is incapable of placing herself in another person’s shoes and understanding their feelings. Consider this: In the Wild Rover episode, Castle exposed a very personal raw nerve when he told Beckett about Jordon. He was telling her that even though he is a rich, famous, handsome author, that he is still working very hard to live up to that persona, i.e. he is very insecure about being as good as everyone thinks he is. Then, in TSTQ, he tells Lanie and Beckett during the autopsy that he is jealous of EV and that EV is a man that men like himself strive to become. He is admitting that EV makes him even more insecure about himself. Beckett plainly sees how unhappy Castle is with the whole situation. She goes into that hotel room knowing how Castle is consumed with jealousy, how his imagination would be conjuring up the worst case scenario, and how his own insecurities are causing him to have a crisis in trust. But, rather that reassure Castle with as much love and understanding as a woman in love should be able to give, she uses her knowledge to try to make him more jealous. Almost immediately she violates a cardinal rule in law enforcement and has a glass of champagne with EV. She allows him to engage her in intimate conversation about herself and her job. She allows him to question her about her relationship with Castle and then basically tells her that Castle is a fool for not knowing what to do with her. She does nothing to stop this and does not give Castle a shred of support. Instead, she allows EV to get right up in her face, then she closes her eyes, leans in to him, and lets their lips touch before an attack of conscience finally makes her push him away. When Castle arrives at the hotel, visibly upset and concerned that she may have been hurt, she acts as if his concern for her is annoying. Then, when Castle questions her about what happened, she lies to him repeatedly. It was laughably appalling when she replied to Castle, “Okay Castle, I’m not going to lie to you, he kissed me.” In reality, she should have said that she was not going to CONTINUE to lie to him, not because she hated to lie but because she knew that he would continue to investigate until he got the truth. And then to say that the kiss didn’t mean anything so it shouldn’t bother him, that was just plain cold. She made absolutely no apologies and actually placed the blame on Castle because he had been taking her for granted. It is utterly ridiculous that she chose that very evening, after doing all that she did to hurt Castle, to ask Castle where their relationship was going. When it was as obvious as the nose on your face that Castle did not understand the question (if he understood, it would have taken more than a millisecond to think about how to evade the question), she never clarified her question or asked it again. If I didn’t know better, I would think that Beckett is an alien robot, incapable of expressing human emotion and incapable of understanding or sympathizing with the emotions of others. Or maybe she is more like Meredith that we may think. Infidelity anyone? Sorry, I’m ranting again!

Tonya, in addition to your excellent points on how wrong her personal conduct was, it all started with how unprofessional she was as well, something that is also out of character for her, at least prior to this show. On another site I mentioned that I had over 20 years’ experience in law enforcement before I went corporate. In that time I did get to babysit a few witnesses and believe me none of them knew my first name, unless they think it’s officer, and probably the most intimate conversation I ever had was “Food’s here, what did you order?” Sure people want to get personal, but you shut it down immediately. When he said “Call me Eric” she should have responded, “No, Mr. Vaughn I will not” and the thing just never gets started. You’re there to do a job, not make friends, unless of course she is already thinking about getting personal with him. But things just get worse from there, she drinks on the job, stows her sidearm across the room (what was she going to do if the killer came bursting through the door to finish the job, ask him to wait while she goes to the desk to arm herself?) and then of course she doesn’t bother to close the blinds on a safe house. I understand it’s not real life (believe me I could keep typing for the rest of my life and never list all the mistakes TV and movies make about police work), but this stuff is so rudimentary they’ve never shown her screwing up like this before. Yet another reason this episode was just so bad.

Yeah, science on TV is just technobabble too. Lainie talks about imaginary chemicals. I find it particularly jaring when the people on bones mispronounce common lab stuff. That’s TV. It does require willing suspension of disbelief.

I have read this post before but I thought I would reply this time. Amen brother!! I am at a complete loss as to how the Beckett worshipers can deny that she lies and blame it all on her flaws, as you stated. They try to convince us that she just has to mull things over in her mind and get it all straight for herself before she discusses it with Castle. I reply that I have seen no intention of discussing the issue with Castle after many, if not all, of her lies, so how does this compute? If the interview in DC was bad and she did not get the job, does anyone really believe that she would have then told Castle all about it and discussed it with him? Seriously? I don’t think so! I do think that she lies because she thinks that Castle will be upset about whatever issue is at hand. She does not want to have to explain herself to Castle. The Beckettites try to tell me that she is trying to protect his feelings. Maybe so. But I think that she is trying to protect herself more. He is now in the way of the plans that she had set up for her life and she wants it to continue the way she planned it, alone. If she shares with him, she may have to alter the plan that she made for herself in order to consider his feelings on the subject. She is much too selfish to allow him to interfere with her plans at the present. All along, he has just followed her around and done whatever she wanted him to do. She does not want that to change now that they are together. He should still just do whatever she tells him to and not interfere with her plans. After all, he is the rich author. Why can’t he just pick his life up and follow her wherever she wants him to go? Why should she include him in major life decisions? She continues to say things like “this is not about you, this is my life,” and “please don’t make this about us.” A person has to be enormously selfish and disconnected from the feelings of their partner to make such a statement. A vast majority of men in real life would have broken up with her on the spot if she made such a statement after dating for a year. When you add all of the lying that she did before this, any man would have dumped her hard and fast. He is on the verge of tears and she never shows a shred of emotion during that Watershed fight. A cold, hard-hearted woman that one. I have come to the conclusion that I no longer really care what Marlowe and crew come up with to start off S6. Beckett is still the same cold, selfish, unemotional witch that they brought out in spades in the last 3 episodes. The fans are screaming for some serious punishment for Beckett, lots of crying and apologizing to Castle, and a promise to stop the lying and selfishness. And from past experience and Marlowe’s clear favoritism of Beckett, do we think that he will give us any of that? I don’t think he will give us any of it. There will be some pathetic sorry, like the “I’m sorry for keeping secrets,” at the swings, and then we are all supposed to forgive her and sweep the angst and sorrow under a rug. But this time, I don’t think the fans will accept that and they will gradually quit watching. I will be in a happy stupor if he actually gives us what we want and makes Beckett give penance. I could gradually begin to like her again if she is seriously remorseful and committed to change. But, alas, I seriously doubt that Marlowe’s queen will be allowed to ‘stoop’ to begging for forgiveness. I would probably continue to watch, half heartedly, probably on the internet long after the episode airs instead of when it comes out on ABC. It will never be the same. Wow, the damage done by writers who have lost touch with their die hard fans!

wow! i agree with ALL you said! At this moment i’m hating beckett so much, she is being so annoying that i really want her to learn the lesson for good. I hope they break up, and season 6 starts with a “3 months later” and beckett in Dc and Castle in NY single. then she will come back to fight for him. I really want to see she giving value to castle… doesnt feel honest they keep together after all these

Castle would die for Beckett. Even if there were a breakup, do you think he’d really be single? How is this for a DC scenario? Beckett gets assigned to investigate corruption in NYC. Clearly this would lead back to the 12th. When she realizes that if she does her job, she’d have to expose Montgomery, not to mention her part in the cover-up, Beckett resigns. In the meantime, Castle has tried his best to be supportive while clearly wanting more time with Beckett (whether she deserves it or not). Also through the course of the investigation more info has come out about Bracken. The couple must go on the run together, forcing them to get much closer. Beckett realizes that Castle is the one there for her no matter what. They manage to expose Bracken but Castle sustains a possibly mortal injury and Beckett realizes that he is her life. Back to the 12th. Beckett can use some of what she has found out about NYC corruption to get her position back and keep Castle around, even if they are engaged. Then, of course, we get a series of funny unrelated episodes true to Castle form plus some that center on Lainie and the boys. Also, somewhere in there Alexis and Martha are really pissed at Beckett for almost getting Castle killed. She’ll have to mend bridges there before the can do a wedding.

I hate that this site doesn’t let us continue to comment on each others posts. This post is in reply to KHorn and Sally above. I agree with your assessment of how terrible TV is at getting the basics correct in both police work and in science/medicine. I commented somewhere else about the whole trauma scenario in Rise. They showed Josh cutting a 3 inch incision in her chest to place a chest tube. Then, when the other doctor took over for Josh, he had to do a median sternotomy (i.e. he cracked her chest open to access her heart) and they even showed him manually squeezing her heart when she went into V-fib. It was very strange that the scene stopped when her heart went into asystole (no rhythm at all, flatline). It is EXTREMELY uncommon for someone to come back from asystole, let alone come back with no neurologic deficits or any other side effects. What cracked me up the most is the tiny circular scar that they showed in subsequent episodes that was supposed to be the scar from the shooting. There is no big scar down her chest from being split open. People told me that they don’t want the lead actress to show a big ugly scar. My point is that they could have shown such a big scar initially but then have it fade (as it often does) down to a very tiny and nearly invisible line for the rest of the show. That would have been real. The tiny circle is so laughable that I can’t comment further. I am certain that your assessment of police work mistakes is just as correct. That entire episode of TSTQ was so wrong on so many levels that we could probably write several novels about the show. I wonder if the guy who co-wrote the episode with Marlowe got fired. I can see it now, on the poor bloke’s grave stone it will say, “Here lies so and so, the writer of TSTQ episode of Castle. He died from the massive cloud of negative karma that was created by the fans after watching it. May he and Eric Vaughn rest in peace.”

To Tonia about the writer.
I have nothing against the writers of this epiode. However, you DON’T use a new writer and one that only wrote 1 episode for a Key episode like Squab.
I don’t know who assigns which episode to whom, but that person made a huge mistake.
Key episodes are for veteran writers of the show. New writers can have all the filler ones and stand-alone. So, even if they screw-up, it doesn’t hurt the show. Once they prove they know the characters and can write them, then you give them key episodes.

I have too agree with all you say! you just poit out some excellent points. I just don’t have sure if she was ready to declined that job or not. She doesn’t seem determined i think. I just want to see how season 6 will start… i’m really curious about what this season will be about. I just think they should give us more love…

No Way…I don’t think it’s too soon for a proposal…but I do agree that I’m a bit disappointed with the last 3 eps after Still..It would have made a way better finale. Where was the revelation of Rick’s back story? And the revertion back to an old, secretive Kate who was pretty selfish. It doesn’t make much sense logically..after all that we’ve been through in S5. There were times during this season that I thought Kate would run or revert back to her old ways but she didn’t / hasn’t until after Still…

The Squab was written by a ‘new’ writer I think…Jason Kilborn. He wrote that ‘Death gone crazy’ ep too. But I’m pretty sure Andrew Marlowe co-wrote with him which is even more disappointing.

I mean I don’t understand why everyone’s so concerned about this DC job. Didn’t Tamala drop a hint that the cast won’t go with her if she goes? And Seamus said in a wetpaint interview that s6 is gonna be more ensemble orientated and since no one’s slated to leave the show…they’ll all be reunited somehow.

Similarly, if there is no Caskett relationship there is no show. A direct rejection of Castle’s proposal will be the last straw as he already made it clear like he did in S4’s “Always”. SK says it’ll be a straight yes or no on ET and she is right by now (after 5 years) you should pretty much know if you’re compatible or not.

He’s really put out all his cards on the table (like in the old days with their poker matches)- shown her his hand so if she’s so heartless as to trod all over it, then it’s better for it to be over. Coz’ then the writers would have messed Beckett up and he would be her second choice which isn’t really right in a relationship.

thats no romantic relationship. the first kiss and the scene at the end of season 4 were the only romantic scenes. most the others kept getting interrupted or just perfunctory hugs/kisses (like ijn Still) like my daughters 6th grade play. and the “i love yous” are pathetic. i enjoyed season 1 and 2 but then turned into beckett bashing castle show. the interviews are a joke – rather watch the “do nothing Congress” debates

I always appreciated the give and take between Castle and Beckett. Now its just Castle getting the shaft. Now when I see how the writers have turned Beckett into a deceitful, selfish person I can hardly watch her anymore. Its a shame that they have split their audience. I’m not sure if it can be fixed. I hope I’m wrong.

The writers has sacrificed a lot of things that make Castle character interesting, just for being in a relationship with beckett, I sadly think we have to accept it. The same about the pattern of the story, probably season 6 will be the same. Happy at the begining, then drama, then fun, then doubts, then others characters backstory (lanie?) then beckett mothers murder, happy/fun, then miscommunication and missunderstanding than lead to the season 6 finale.

About Beckett & Castle behaviors in the last couples of episodes, I remember when “The limey” aired, a lot of people (Mostly the ones who side with Beckett in every conflict) were saying if that kind of behaviors from castle is the one they will see when they be a couple and hit some bumps, now what we got? look at Beckett, went from I believe in us (epi 20.) to nearly cheating, to lying (a lot) just because she doesn’t trust Castle? after 4 and half years, she really think that Castle is only having fun with her? I really understand that part of her character (doubting) , but really? no progress at all?. About Castle, he has 2 and half years walking on eggshells around her, not pushing, giving her the space that she needs, letting her set the pace, is only logical. Now only because he play a videogame and not looking much at her, start this mess? he has his own doubts about her and about himself, that the writers not address this is other thing.

I have to believe that season 6 they will have them communicating in the important things. I not hoping for much, I really think that the showrunner has been taking advantage of the big fanbase from nathan and stana, that whatever the character do people will keep watching until the end.

I hate to agree with you but I have too, producers, writers know we are there no matter the episode is, and then we just complain about it with each other, on this feed, and then…. the following Monday we are sitting in front that big HD tv watching Castle again, we love to hate it and we hate to love it. We are just the biggest fanbase ever, don’t know if you guys agree, that’s my humble opinion. Watching now eps 2 season 1 on TNT, ep 1.1 just finished and it is one of the funniest ones, I love it!!!!

The show has gone down hill mainly because of the last few shows,totally agree.One thing that has not changed through out the 5yrs.is that kate dictates how the relationship moves,amazingly yet its called castle,futher proof that the writers are so partial towards kate,no one can deny that if their objective,if they do than they are partial for what ever reason towards kate.Her selfishness in the above mentioned shows were shocking,let alone her lying which by the way is the quickest way to destroy trust which in turn destroys a relationship.Sure castle has his faults but the writers portraying him as a fool,silly,ect. has been progressing through the last few seasons,so unrealistic when watching the show you realize he is very smart,with the ability to think out of the box quickly and helped solve most of the cases-very unflattering the way this he is being portrayed!And as much as i hate to admit it they portray kate as almost infallable ,what has also progressed is her speaking down to castle,ridiculing him,have you ever seen castle do that towards kate ??In my opinion,the accumilation of these traits by kate leads me to conclude that although she has feeling for castle i do not believe she actually loves him!To say she has issues relating to her mothers death,come on writers enough-castle grew up with out a father his whole life but he isn’t a basket case because of it,for anyone to question castles commitment to kate or that he’s take her for granted after willing to die for her and leave his daughter fatherless after all he has done for her over the years simply has a agenda or is watching a different show!

Kate looks really conflicted and unsure of herself in that ep. about the job. She did try to ‘patch things up’ after he found out…see if she wanted to end the relationship, she wouldn’t have said ” but you don’t know that..when he mentioned about the take this job & it’s the end of our relationship” part in the kitchen scene

I finally managed to see her literally “about to cry ” on the swings when he gets up and looks like he’s leaving right before he proposes…

Although I am still confused about her agreement with him that they both deserve more? What was she referring to- and what Castle was referring to (were they the same? wish we knew what was going in their minds…!!! AM!!! we need an insight)
I know for sure now that she really loves him and still does…coz’ if you didn’t really love a person, you wouldn’t feel so guilty-concious, conflicted about going for something you really wanted. You would naturally take flight and leave them behind already…

Yes the secrets and hiding things from him sure sucked as it seemed like a regression after all that they’ve and we’ve been through BUT I guess both Martha & Jim are right..That’s how Kate’s always been and so has Castle..look how he used the avoidance technique with Alexis & the Nikki Heat book covers and even that conversation at the end where he didn’t fully tell her what was wrong that was making him so sad..and this is his own daughter we are talking about.

I’m more positive that they’ll be together in S6 and that she’ll hopefully say Yes to his proposal but let’s not get married right away and keep it under wraps for now…(but then it’s like s5 & their relationship) Open up to each other, work through their fears, be more stable and secure with each other / keep up or increase their gestures of love whether big or small (hopefully in full light).

If not, like many I would like to see AM deal with the fallout of the cat and mouse game all over again…but I would still watch the show . I believe without an in love Caskett there is no show and we all know by now that Rick will walk out of her life if it even comes down to that. As for Kate, I don’t she can live without him (for long) or go back to those days minus his presence in her life.

So whether or not she accepts the job offer doesn’t worry me as Tamala already hinted that if she does take the job Lanie wouldn’t really like it and the whole crew is not going with her. So if that’s the case, how does Seamus Dever’s tease in wetpaint about s6 gonna be more ensemble orientated if they’re not all back together in the same place? and even AM’s tease about getting to reveal more about juicy bits about their relationship that they were not able to get to in s5? Not sure if I’m interpreting any of these right but to me, it seems like a hint that Caskett will be together in S6 and the 12th precinct team will all be together somehow…(if she even goes)

Someone commented here that the subtext in watershed contradict itself during all the episode, and I think it is true. We don’t really know if she really wanted the job or, if she use it as a safe place to go because she think castle don’t want a commited relationship, we will have to wait to the season 6 premiere and hope they addresses what goes through their heads at the time.

I believe she wanted the job why would a person ok an interview and than jump on a plane for the actual interview if she didn’t want the job,to say she wanted the job because of this crazy opinion that some have that he did not want a committed relationship,falls apart completely with “still”,if we can’t agree that willing to die for kate and leave alexis fatherless is the ultimate statement to a committed relationship than were just chasing our tail.Her statement to her father that”i want the job”,over castle/relationship is revealing for even if castle would move to dc,with the job requirements she would no time for castle,so if she takes the job the relationship is over,futher more for her to tell E&R she wants to tell them something but has to tell someone else(castle) first,more evidence thats she is taking the job,for there is no reason to tell them she is not taking the job because its none of their business,if she is staying and the work place is the same they don’t need to know ,we all can read into her body languge ,but watching watershed twice,i took i’am sorry for hiding secrets ,as a insincere apology,and that its over because i’am taking the job,i saw nothing that resembled love for castle that entire ep.if anything a taking him for granted and a almost dislike for him as she was going forward with her life- is this the action of a person in love?I would not say so,couple this with her one time she told him she loved him was standing on a bomb,people can get pretty emotional as their life is about to end and her “i love you rick”was to me nothing more than a knee jerk reaction her farewell to castle-and i say that because of the last 3shows,nothing spoken or unspoken showed me a women in love.

The problem isn’t the job interview. It’s not telling the most important person in your life about it. Castle has been committed for 5 years. He has watched her go with other guys and put him second on everything. The birthday party is the only time she has acted like he really means something to her. As for the Squab episode I doubt there is any one on this board, male or female, who would not throw a rant if their significant other did some thing like that.

I also re-watched Watershed and had some of the same questions as you. I doubt that Kate even knew what Castle was referring to much less how it would apply to her. Castle wanted more but he comes away with a Beckett, who is stained almost beyond repair. If Beckett wanted more she didn’t show it at all in season five.

….”If Beckett wanted more she didn’t show it at all in season five.” ….. Are you serious??? Has your extreme dislike of the final episodes totally erased your memory of the whole season? The whole point of season 5 was showing Kate being in this relationship. She was willing to break him out of custody and then helps him stay in hiding, she was willing to change her Christmas tradition, she gave him a place in her home, she was willing to risk Gates finding out about them just because she needed to comfort him, she practically moves in with him to take care of him while he’s hurt, she gets his family and friends to help pull together, what he calls, his best birthday gift ever. What part of these actions indicate to you Kate didn’t want more?

Well, let’s see Allile, S&Q, Human Factor and Watershed. That is more than 12% of the season. As for not wanting more, Castle’s jail break was from his people, Castle changed his Christmas tradition first and he actually had a tradition with his family, she had a place in Castle’s home, she hugged him one time in front of gates and Gates reaction was to tell Beckett to use whatever was necessary to get Alexis back,

I’ve watched all Castle these past 4 months on cable…never saw the show until Feb this year. I’ve noticed the playfulness of the first few years..some very funny moments… Later years Beckett and Castle have changed physically and emotionally. If Castle is the product of his relationships including daughter and mother who still form him, and Beckett is the product of her job and failed relationships….we can begin to understand their approach to their relationship. Castle is playful because he has a daughter and mom…he is father and son. Beckett is herself formed by tragedy and the only apparent human interactions are a father we seldom see, her co-workers and the dead. Two different people, two different ways of handling a relationship, of solving problems, of dealing with interpersonal stress and conflict. So, they are being true to who they are… The question is: can they learn from each other and meaningfully change…

So encouraging to see all this great… Discussion. But Ralph, as valid as your points are, it seems all your arguments are based around the last 3 episodes. As others have said a numerous times, in season 4, Castle was the jackass. They gotta take turns mate. And it’s Andrew’s story to tell. Let’s just wait till the fall before we so heavily criticise this fantastic show. And if you think they’re not dealing with this couple properly, have you seen Bones??? Much much more frustrating than this. Trust me, Andrew is doing a brilliant job. And as long as ratings remain sort of the same, there will be more seasons. In Marlowe we trust.

In the off-season it is a little difficult to see any improvement. You are right, the last three episodes are my gripe and since Marlowe did the three eps, he isn’t necessarily my choice to turn the show back to a semblance of balance.

Flick, yes, Castle was a jerk in the few episodes after 47 Seconds, but he had very good reason to be angry, he just didn’t handle it well. But do you really think Beckett wasn’t an even bigger jerk? She lied the whole season about not hearing is profession of love (even in Always she never admitted she heard him, just got mad at him for bringing it up). She blew him off for three months and only reached out to him when she realized he had information she needed, not because she wanted just him. So I’d say in the jerk sweepstakes, she came out on top.

I was thinking about it and I have to say, it isn’t the first time that Marlowe tried to show that Beckett can make mistakes and be a jerk.
However, everytime audiences majorly react in Beckett defense.
It started back at the end of season 2. If you listen to the 3×01 episode commentary Marlowe said he didn’t see it like it was all Castle fault, but he was surprised by fans reactions that saw iit that way. Thus he wrote it that way too. (And I could bet my right hand that ABC very strongly suggest him to do it).
Since then, Beckett and Castle both screwed up, and as it was already said, everytime fans reacts like Castle was evil and Beckett as every reason to do it this way. If you observe closely, Beckett make worse mistakes everytime, and everytime, fan runs to Beckett defense.
I think that Marlowe wanted to finally have the reaction with have now, that the audiences and fans finally see that Beckett isn’t perfect. But I believe that he took it too far this time around. However, last season, he took it very far and most fans were still unconviced that Beckett isn’t perfect.
I also think that the network executive doesn’t want him to be too hard on Beckett because of fans reactions and how much they adores her. (untill now).
I am not saying it isn’t Marlowe fault, but I also saying that Beckett uberfans and ABC executives may have also some responsabilities in thiS;

That’s exactly right, I had forgotten that it was information for which she was searching. From 47 seconds I certainly enjoyed Beckett getting what she had been asking for, but Castle was a wuss for not just calling her out. Just as he did in the S&Q ep, he just let Beckett schnozzle all she wished to with Vaughn. So I guess I am made at both of them.

Khorn, amen again! I’m glad I’m not the only one who has the opinion that Kate only reached out to Castle in Rise because he had the files on the bank that she needed. I have posted the question many times about whether she would have contacted Castle at all if she didn’t need those files. How long would she have waited if she did decide to call him? Or would she have waited for him to call her? I hated that episode and almost quit watching the show because of it.

Castle was the jackass. Just who was the person who lied about hearing Castle tell her he loved her? Who pretended she didn’t hear? The only thing Castle did wrong was not to call her out when he found out about the lie. Ah, it’s just old Kate again, lying as usual. Starting at the point where Castle found out that she knew, the last episodes until she half-assed confirmed what she did, were the best episodes of the show. In fact, now that Queen Kate is back in the saddle, I go to there episodes to see Castle reruns.

Ralph, I have to agree with you here. Some of my favorite episodes include 47 Seconds, The Limey, and Undead Again. Even Headhunters is growing on me. I like the fact that Castle is giving Beckett some emotional pain after lying to him for so long. To the people who complain that Castle lied to her about the whole deal with her mom’s murder, I say this. Castle was dragged into that situation by Montgomery and by Smith. He did not create the lie himself, but he ultimately had to go along with it as a last ditch attempt to protect Beckett’s life. In the Always fight, Beckett says, “Castle, I didn’t need protection, I needed a clue.” She didn’t need protection? Are they serious? She came a hairs breadth away from death with a bullet in her chest but she doesn’t need protection? Huh? Castle went along with the lie for one reason only, he loved her!!! There was no selfishness, ulterior motives, or any other sinister motive for keeping the lie. He just needed to protect the life of the woman he loved, period. Now, look at Beckett’s year long lie. I will say again that when the lie started in Rise, when she blew Castle off for 3 months, only going to him because she needed the files on the bank that Castle had, he should have kept walking away from her when she got snippy about his comment about Josh. But once again, Marlowe ‘fixes’ the whole angst filled issue by having Beckett drag Castle back in with pathetic little speeches about her wall, etc. Well, the lie then continues to drag on for nearly a year. If Castle had not discovered the truth in 47 Seconds, at what point does anyone think that Beckett would have decided that the wall was down and she could finally tell Castle that she heard him say that he loved her? She never would have told him the truth!!! So yes, I enjoyed seeing Castle give her a little bit of her own medicine in those episodes. She deserved it and worse!!!!!!!

Wow. I found those episodes very painful, except maybe for the end of Headhunters and the end of the zombie thing,not because Beckett was suffering but because Castle was. In 47 seconds he got his heart broken. He suffered a lot right up until the final minutes of Always. It would be really nice to see Beckett get a wake-up call without heaping pain on Castle. We have discussed shooting Castle, putting him in an auto accident and poisoning him as a way to get Beckett’s attention. Those all hurt. How about a coma? She could agonize and he wouldn’t feel a thing. That would give her some time to realize what she could be losing. It worked in the book Heat Rises and to an extent in the beginning of Frozen Heat. Or maybe we could have him away consulting on a movie shoot for Naked Heat for a while. Let Beckett stew.

I agree with your points here but I was basing this on the assumption that Beckett will never get to feel the pain unless Castle has already had it heaped on him big time. It is the only time we get to see her suffer even a little bit so it is better than nothing. I would love to see a mountain of suffering on her part without Castle having to feel any pain. I wrote a great episode idea on another site where Castle does get shot in the head but survives. Besides, don’t all of the leads on every crime show get shot sooner or later? Both Booth and Brennan have been shot. Beckett got it already, so now it is Castle’s turn.

Check my last response to Nelmar. I started a story in which Castle is in deep trouble. Help continue it. You can shoot him if you like. I wrote a story where Castle was shot too, but it was done to Jamison Rook in Heat Rising, so I thought it would be nice to do something different.

Well here’s the thing: If Beckett takes a job in Washington…will we have split scenes where Castle is on the phone to her? Will we see Castle move to DC? Will we have him flying back and forth? In my opinion, those seem highly unlikely. The show, whose cast jives so perfectly, would kill the whole thing if Beckett moved away, so my guess is that either she doesn’t take it because she realizes she prefers to be a murder detective and loves Castle or for some reason they let her work out of the NY office, where Castle takes place.

There is no way they will separate the two and then let Esposito and Shamus be recurring characters.

I could be wrong, but that’s my uneducated but hopefully logical guess.

The description of the job doesn’t fit beckett, of course now that she want to do more maybe the try? I think since season 3 that at the end of the show, she will be studing law or be a lawyer already (what she really wanted before the dead of her mother)

Consider for a moment that Beckett’s response in the last episode and the two that proceeded it is just what her father suggested, fear. She is scared to death of a relationship becoming really deep. She is still shielding herself from getting hurt. That is causing her to go to extremes. Not only was she thinking of leaving a man who would die for her behind, she would leave Lainie, her best friend behind and Ryan and Esposito her surrogate brothers behind. She would even leave her father. We are not talking about a superwoman. We are talking about someone with serious emotional problems. Bring back Michael Dorn! Maybe she and Castle can go to counseling together. They certainly need it. I don’t think Castle values his life enough. Not only is he obsessed with death; how often has he put himself between danger and Beckett or Alexis or even his mother? Did he really need to go after a dirty bomb? Beckett protects herself too much and he doesn’t protect himself enough. They need to meet in the middle somewhere. It would be nice to see growth for both of them.
It seems very unlikely that focus will shift from the 12th for long. AWM has already dropped hints of focusing more on the supporting characters this year. It would also be nice if he didn’t beat the leads into the ground. Nathan looks so much better now than he did when filming wrapped. It would be nice if he could stay that way. If Beckett is in DC at all, I think her stay will be very brief.

The show is telling me the love story between two very different people. Most of the more intimate parts of the relationship between Kate and Castle has been told through others; mainly Alexis, Martha, Jim and somewhat through Dr Burke. For some reason the writers don’t want them to talk to each other so they do it through others. This was actually just fine for me until this season. These other people have been missing quite a bit, and the touching heart to heart between Castle and Alexis has been largely missing as well because she has grown up and gone to college. So, just like Alexis has grown up I have felt that the writers should have grown up and let them talk. Maybe season 6.

I did not like the TSATQ (total failure for me), HF or Watershed very much. I finally decided that the hotel room scene was not Kate’s failure but the writer’s failure. They forgot who Kate really is. I can understand her personal conflict. She is way out of her personal comfort zone in her relationship with Castle even though she wants that relationship. She is in new territory and confused both by her feelings and her lack of understanding of Castle’s feelings. He was also a jerk earlier in the day, driven by his insane insecurity and jealousy. But we have always seen Kate rise to the occasion she faces. I can believe everything in the hotel room (far fetched and quite a stretch) except her allowing herself to be kissed. That goes beyond just the question of her relationship with Castle. It goes to the heart of who she is. She has never been someone who would allow herself to be taken advantage of like that. I just decided that the writers wanted a dramatic moment so they got one. In the process they took all sympathy away from Kate’s conflicts (and her question at the end of “Where are we going”) and left many fans, myself included, telling Castle to run for the hills. That is not the message the show wanted us to hear.

I actually liked the first half of Watershed and thought that it was very real and in character for both Kate and Castle. When the job interview offer came Kate took it to find herself. She knew that she would hurt Castle (“…I knew that you would be upset…”) by taking it and keeping it a secret because she hurt herself by doing it. That combination of fear and hurt was obvious on her face when they first entered the office. Her comment to Castle that it was about her life was a terrible way to talk to him but she was right. In order for Kate to get beyond her relationship fears she had to get beyond her own fear of losing herself. By going on the job interview without telling anyone she took 100% ownership of the result. If she took the job and lost everyone else then she knew that she would be consumed by it at her own choosing. If she turned the job down then she knew that it was because she no longer wanted to live in the rat hole and she could not blame anyone else for turning down what may have been her dream job – five years ago. Castle was absolutely right to be angry and hurt when he found out. She did not invite him into the discussion in any way. In fact, she actively excluded him. She left him with four facts: she went on an interview without including him; the job required a physical move; she lied to him about where she had been; her explanation was that it was about her life. None of this seemed to support the relationship that he felt they had. His response was perfect. He called her out because of the damage her actions, and the possible job, would do to their relationship. He never said it’s the job or me. This whole scene led him to believe that he was not as important to her as she was to him. For me the rest of Watershed was just to buy time to get to the 10 second proposal.

By the time of the argument, Castle was certainly deeper into their relationship than Kate knew. Recall in Still when he took her coffee? He stood there looking at her, not asking her for anything except that she be with him. He had a single rose on the serving tray. She is his rose and he stood there looking at her. By the end of Watershed he finally realized that all roses have thorns. If he was to get close to Kate, and stay close, then he had to accept the pain of the thorns or find the spaces between them. He had to be thinking of proposal for some time because he had the ring. I don’t believe he left the loft and stopped at a jewelry store on the way to the park. I don’t believe he went to a jewelry store after their argument either. So when did he get it? One possibility is that he bought it when he bought the bracelet that Kate has worn after Valentine’s Day. It took him awhile to get the courage to actually propose.

So what will she do? I think she turned the DC job down on the way to the park. She no longer wants to live in the rat hole. I find it hard to believe that she will tell him no and walk away. I could believe that they might decide, together, that it is time for an unofficial engagement but not a publicly announced official one. I can believe she will say yes, and that is the answer I would prefer. Actually, it would really be fun, and truly Castlesque, if we find out she went to the park with a man’s bracelet to ask him to marry her! Kind of an “I know who the killer is” moment.

My problem with S&Q is that they tried (and failed) to put the moment with Beckett and Vaughn like is was something funny, when Castle started asking her what really happened (the music, beckett face, ryan, etc) it is funny? really?

After reading everything here i have rewatched the last 3 episodes again and honetly i just dont see a woman in love at all.
I watched it from the perspective of “what if my spouse wpould do/say that”. I saw so much unprovoled doubt from Becketts part. She didnt stick up for Castle at all. All i saw was basically her putting him and his commitment to her down. But based on what ? It just doesnt make sense.
Is she that high maintenance ( yes i said it ! ) that she has to be told at every step how pretty , how smart , how special she is ? You could see how she just loved it while being recruited for that job. Compliment after compliment from someone who barely knows her.
Actually the exact same thing with Vaughn who basically said the was the most incredible woman in the world after knowing her like 5 hours.. Its borderline ridiculous in my opinion.
Beckett loves this attention and “punishes” Castle for not doing it 24/7,
Who in their right mind would want a woman like that ? She was never that extreme before the last 3 episodes. Flawed yes but not this vain , selfish and downright cold.
My husbad told me he would just feel sorry for a guy who would have to put up with that crap.
She loved herself and her needs a whole lot more than Castle in those last 3 episodes and she is nowhere near ready to get engaged. 24 hours after saying to your dad that you want a job more than Castle while knowing it would end the relationship you could possibly accept a marriage proposal ? Dont buy it.
They screwed up Caskett and it will take serious damage control by the writers to make Beckets character likeable again. I personally started to hate her ( always loved her before ) and her self righteous behaviour and i honestly belive that Castle deserved someone better than this.

Christine, I agree. Even Castle is “any port in a storm”. Granted perhaps this column brings out the strong analytical part of the show’s audience, we have credence. All our comments are points that AM has considered before finalizing the script for every episode. The writers’ group psychology considered all these avenues for the story…yet they chose what the chose. Have we overemphasized the human dynamics in the Caskett relationship? Maybe, but all our comments are real and ought to be considered in any relationship. We need to ask ourselves…What if it was me in that position?…What would I feel, think, and believe about the other person?? I’m alarmed by Becket’s “…it’ my life”, and if I take the job “I can do more” comeback. I ask you honestly what completes a life and how can one do more in life by completing another via self-donation? There’s a lot of talk about heroes in the news over the past years. Any of us who says “yes” to another are relationship heroes. Beckett isn’t because although she might want to be a detective hero, it hasn’t translated to a serious lover-hero, for lack of a better word. She’s a good girlfriend, but lies and tells half-truths. As I said in an earlier post, I don’t know what she needs to become the “real authentic” loved one we all want her to become. In her defense, however, she did tell Castle that she had to solve her mother’s murder to become the person she wants to be…no doubt the writers have than banner above their desks trying to write a multi-season arc to reach that point.

The recurring theme has not just been solving her mother’s murder, it has been to get justice. She has not gotten justice yet. That is why the wound is still so raw. It could be that the DC job may be a ploy to get that justice. She could have access to material to bring Bracken down and the search would lead back to the 12th and Castle could certainly help her. That would bring the story forward in so many ways. She could also say that she will marry Castle when she is fully capable of giving herself, unfettered by the mother’s-murder-wall. That would work! We’ll see.

I don’t want to play schrink, because,well I am not one, but that will solve nothing for Beckett.
After 15 years, it isn’t justice that will help her. She thinks that, but it wouldn’t. She let this moment, this tragedy define her. Even with justice she’ll always see herslef as the daughter of the victim, a victim herself. Bringing Bracken to justice will be a relief, I am sure of it, but it won’t magically solve all of her issues.

Many of your comments are part of why season 5 has not been my favorite season of Castle. I have always enjoyed Castle because I liked the characters and how they were portrayed. We first saw Castle as an arrogant playboy, out for himself. Then we learned that he is a fantastic father and we saw his feelings for Kate evolve in a realistic way, good and bad. We first saw Kate as by the book with a hard exterior but also with some hints of other things. Then we found out that inside she is a hopeless romantic (she lit enough candles in her bathroom years ago and once again in Castle’s Castle to burn the buildings down) and not nearly as by the book as we thought. We have seen her struggle with herself and her past as her feelings for Castle have evolved in a more complicated but just as realistic way as his for her, good and bad.

In season 5 it seemed like their character growth stalled. I have no doubt that she is as much in love with Castle as he is with her. Love takes many forms; the only ones necessary are those that work in the relationship. But I think the real world writing has been subpar much of this season. The stories have been up and down; continuity has been generally poor; and we are supposed to understand so much of the story by symbolism and foreshadowing. Sometimes it has seemed like the technique of telling the story got in the way of the story itself. Watershed is a good example of that for me. As I have said in other comments here, I liked the first half of Watershed and thought that it was perfectly in character for both Kate and Castle. That does not mean that I was happy with how Kate handled the job interview but I did understand it and why she did it that way. Castle’s response was perfect. But after that it was all intentional ambiguity with the sole purpose of buying time to the 10 second proposal. It was a masterful example of saying something without saying anything. I suppose that part of the reason for that is so that each viewer can reach his/her own conclusion. But that is not the type of storytelling entertainment that speaks to me.

Perhaps I am overreacting as well. I am convinced that the gold bracelet that Kate has been wearing has meaning into next season. It is like a giant mood ring, and symbolic of a wedding ring. Once it appeared she wore it in every episode except HF, when she was really irritated with Castle over everything. She wore it once again in the beginning of Watershed (meaning even though she did not tell Castle about the interview she still wanted the relationship with him) but it was invisible after the confrontation. Did she wear it or not: we can’t tell. Again ambiguity. Look for it in 6×01. What about the 50% off sale of Castle’s book in HF? Good for a laugh (“…and the love fades…”) but are we supposed to expect Castle’s fame and fortune to wane in season 6? I sure hope not. Was the young killer’s story in HF about his hatred for his father supposed to be Castle’s story about his feelings for his father when he was a kid? Will we learn that Castle became a mystery writer so he could create his own universe and decide who lives and dies? Maybe his father is a hero in one book and killed off in another?

The main reason I feel like the writing was off is because in some places it was so good. The Wild Rover is one my series favorites and my only complaint about it is that it should have been a two parter. Contrast the two short scenes between Kevin and Shiobhan in her apartment and at the end with those of Kate and Castle in the whole TSATQ through Watershed trilogy. It was painfully obvious that Kevin and Shiobhan had been in love; their time together ended badly but the love they shared was real. Kevin was risking his marriage and his life to help someone that he had not seen in 7 years. His commitment to help Shiobhan was just as deadly as Castle’s to help Kate in Still. The longing and pain was very clear on their faces and in their words and voices in both scenes. They had the opportunity, and maybe some of the desire, to make up for lost time when they met in her apartment. But they did not act on it. They maintained their respect for their current situation. Kevin did nothing to jeopardize his relationship with Jenny and Shiobhan did nothing to challenge that. These were very short but powerfully revealing scenes that spoke to the character of these two people (and to the skill of the writer and actors). Contrast that to Kate, Vaughn and Castle throughout the trilogy and to a lesser extent between Kate and Castle throughout season 5. I find it hard to believe that this brief snapshot of the relationship between Kevin and a character that we have never seen before was written so much better than so much of the relationship between the two main characters that we have all rooted for.

You know, you may be into something when you say that they use far too much symbolism. I am a fan all right and I didn’t notice the gold bracelet. I am not observant enough. But if, at least, another character had said “hey, nice bracelet” early on, I would have see it.
And that sort of things can be dangerous for a show. We will start to analyze everything and anything even stuff that the writers didn’t thing about like the color of Castle’s shirt, Kate hairstyle or something silly like that. Things that will distract viewer from what Marlowe & Co are trying to tell.

BB123..great post…just because an alcoholic stops drinking doesn’t mean he is “cured”…it’s an ongoing “recovering” process…just like Beckett…in fact, aren’t we all recovering from “something”. We constantly re-play thoughts, actions, etc. And they define and form us to a degree. All too often we all second-guess actions, etc. Oh, yeah..I am a psychologist but it’s more fun playing one than being one.

All of you have great points! I hope the writers read these comments also… they certainly need help and you guys are here to give them good points in writing a better story. I believe Kate needs more therapy, the wall did not come down completely, maybe many bricks got destroyed but the wall foundation, which is the most important part on the construction, is still there, under ground rock solid. Castle gets over troubles much easier than Kate does, that’s why he proposed, he after all has a soft heart, he is a father, knows how to forgive, Kate herself, keeps her heart hard like a stone. This is the difference between both character, although both have problems, Castle in my opinion is always willing to forgive and move on. Kate gets stuck in the mud, can’t lift feet so fast. Couples therapy should be also good for them. Let’s see. My humble opinion. You people who post here always have excellent views, congrats.

Actually,i hope she says no to castle and takes the job(but ia;m betting the writers will have her say yes,or a yes but keep it under wraps) and have castle back in rare form,putting out a new book ,appearing on talk shows to promote it,dabbling in some work for the 12th,with little communication with kate,because of her tight schedule there is really no time anyway,let him as some others have suggested on other sites take a consultant job in london as he is asked to write that BOND novel that was in the works seasons before.Let kate realize what she through away,and put her detective skills to work in trying to locate him,let she her try and win him back,maybe than one can finally determine that she loves him-because she sure didn’t towards the end o season 5,actually i was one of those who never bought into her being in love with castle,as much as i was hoping for it,something just didn’t seem real in her suppose love for castle,you know what love looks like and i never saw that with her,the non verbal actions that say love,was missing,and after the last 3 shows how can one blame me!

The observation about Kate needing recognition is correct. In past episodes she thrived on the recognition of the captain, or the FBI agents, or the mysterious agents and now the Justice Department agents. That does not make her bad, particularly because she defined herself as a cop. Her personal crusade is still to bring her mother’s killer to justice. Her professional crusade is still to help others who were affected by similar circumstances. In both cases her life has been the job and she craves the recognition for a job well done. She also craved Castle’s attention long before she would admit any attraction to him. Rewatch the end of Hell Hath No Fury, season 1 episode 4. Her need for the captain to recognize her work is obvious and so is her need for Castle to pay attention to her (great scene by the way). There have been several other similar situations over the years.

Kate is a flawed person, just like all of us. There is no way she could pair up with Ryan or Esposito because her maintenance would overwhelm them. But Castle is flawed as well and is just as high maintenance. The attraction between them is just like Castle said: ying and yang. She fills his need for a confident, smart, well educated and independent woman who knows him better than he does, who can ground him in reality and that he can lean on for anything. Likewise, he fills her need for someone who loves life, who embraces the impossible as well as the real, who can stand up to her when needed, who can make her see what is right in front of her and who can love her for who she is, thorns and all.

Back in the real world, I felt that season 5 of Castle was “off” compared to earlier seasons. There were some great episodes and even more great scenes but my overall feeling was that something was missing. By the time the season got to TSATQ (and assuming the originally planned sequence of shows) I was not as excited as in previous seasons so it was easier to see the flaws rather than enjoy the story. By the end of the season I felt like too much of the story was told like a game of body language Clue. If I am going to be forced to pay that much attention to details to understand the story then the story needs to get everything correct or it falls apart for me. Too much fell apart, including TSATQ. I really hope that season 6 will have them together, completely, acting like smart adults who know that they need to understand each other and themselves to make their relationship work. That story can be a lot more fun, interesting and dramatic than this past season. One great way to carry the story, and make them talk to each other and us, is to bring back Dr Burke. Let him be the force that makes them confront their demons, together. It could also be a funny, recurring story itself. We know that Kate and Castle are science fiction fans. It would be great to learn that Dr Burke has a Mr Worf bobble head on his shelf and is a big fan of Star Trek, Mr Worf in particular. Imagine the argument between Castle and Burke over who was the best captain, Kirk or Picard! Kate would have to be in the middle, roll her eyes, and set them both straight.

Yep, knowing that the writers love subtext (sometimes I think to much), they have to start communicating with words, in context, and hope we see it during the entire season and not only in the last couple of (episodes, minutes, etc) it.

Yes JLynn, it would be hilarious if Castle and Burke had a talk about Star Trek in his office. I was just mentioning your posting to my husband who is a GREAT fan of star trek, he thought it would be amazing, Just for you to have an idea, our daughter was named after a character who made an appearance in one of the planets they visited. I really hope the writers take time to read things people post here and use some of the awesome ideas.

I too am a trekkie, but Beckett isn’t, she’s a Nebula Nine nerd. Apparently William Shatner is grooving on Castle these days and he and Nathan seem to have struck up a friendship. How about a Shatner cameo in Burke’s office, maybe for some joint counseling? We could have Shatner talking about always being identified as the Captain.Castle could opine something to the effect that it would be nice to be worshipped as a Sci-fi god. Wink wink nod nod. It could be hilarious. BTW, saw Much Ado today, it was great!

And here I am still reading these posts in July.. I love Castle.
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Sally, I think it would be better if Shatner was the therapist Castle begins seeing and at some point they have a joint session. Then they can insert a few well placed ST (&TNG) references. Or maybe Dr. Burke has a Kirk bobble head and Shatner’s character has a Worf bobble head.

Anyway.. I think subtext is okay, subtle references we catch in multiple viewing is challenging fun, but neither should be frustrating and overshadow actual writing to move a story forward.

JLynn, your comment put to words many of the things that I wanted to say, specifically about the “body language Clue.” I am in total agreement with your assessment that if I have to pay that much attention to details to understand the story, then the story needs to get everything correct or it falls apart for me too. TSTQ didn’t just fall apart for me, it blew apart into a million pieces. The remaining episodes just fell apart. I think that the writers sometimes forget that the vast majority of their viewers don’t have the luxury of pondering hours and hours of analysis on internet blogs. They watch an episode on TV and they expect to be able to understand it at face value. They should not have to spend hours and hours after the episode to learn the subtext and nuance that really brings the meaning of the episode home. Sure, subtext and nuance are important, but they should be used to bring ‘additional’ meaning to an episode, not THE meaning. When you read the fan blogs and there are a thousand different interpretations of the meaning of Watershed, then I think that the writers missed the mark. Their excessive use of subtext and body language in that episode was way over the heads of most people and even left the die hard Castle fans/bloggers/shippers with their mouths hanging open going, “Whaaa….tt?” It is time to start telling the story at face value again, so everyone can understand it. It is time for some real communication between C & B, not everyone else around them talking about them. It is time to lighten up the story and make it fun again. Sure, solve murders, even get justice for Beckett’s mom, but don’t make it all dark and sinister in the process.

Once upon a time detective beckett met her favourite writer. She felt atracted for him but pretend not to, because thought he was too much for her. That Guy, named Rick Castle was a world famous , rich , handsome and womanizer man, but, in spite of being a jerk, felt really atracted by the detective.
They start to be co-workers because he wanted her to be is character for his next novels. They were so different that start to indentify theirselves as ying-yang, based on that “symbolism” they figure that even being so diferent they were a perfect team together and that made they raise the best on each other: Kate start come out of her shell and be more happy, and castle figure that the most worthwhile things in life take time and work.
They become an excellent team, then best friends to lovers (they couldn’t live without each other). He would die for her, she would die for him. She never felt so in love for someone, so she hide in nowhere relationships with guys she doesn’t love in order too fool herself not loving Castle because she might get hurt as she said “why fight for something that you know eventually will get u down?”. He quit his womanizer ways and fight for her, because she was a mystery he want to solve.
Of course they had to become a couple, because they are soulmates! They have the perfect relationship, and even Beckett said that things had never been easy between them. Every relationship have problems, but true love overcome everything! So if now Castle&beckett seem too be falling apart, they won’t, they will be even stronger than before. “That’s what the great love stories are about right? beating the odds?”That’s why they will marry, because they are like a disney movie: Doesn’t make sense without an happy ending. she can say no or yer, but who cares? everything will happen for a reason, and even if doesn’t seem right , at the end we all will say” Damn, it was worth it”

I hope your right,even thou i believe the glass is always half full,even thou were pulling for them to stay together for ever-kates emotional makeup is in need of radical surgery,after years of cat& mouse she finally seemed to be turning the corner & than the pathetic final 3 eps.Let me state,no one and i mean no one is going to stay in a relationship (castle)this long and subject oneself to consistently being made fun of,lied too,taken advantage of,a almost dislike of him (last 3 eps.)and than propose to this individual ??Are you kidding me,sorry everyone castle is the catch not the impaired kate-a world famous,witty,wealthy,smart individual is going to put up with all of her baggage ,a city cop??Totally unrealistic in the world we live in,with no resolution any where in site!

Thats the problem i have right now . These last 3 episodes have destroyed that illusion of a great love story for me. That feeling that no matter what happens they are pergect for each other. Its gone for me the moment you almost cheat , you ly constantly , you prefer a job to your man. It just minimalizes the relationship. And the writers did it to the xtreme that i as a viewer just lost that magical feeling they built up for 5 and a half seasons. It just makes me sad.

I understand your sadness. The story has made you feel for the couple and that’s a good thing. But these people have always been far from perfect. Castle is so afraid of abandonment that he sabotages himself either by pretending that he doesn’t care or by pretending that everything is perfect and resolved. Beckett still can’t cope with deep emotion. She has never had a relationship go this far for a reason, she runs and hides, just as she was thinking of doing again. She said ILY to Rick because she thought that she was dying. When she had to live with that reality, the fear came back and she ran from the relationship. She does love him, though. She put her job on the line for him against detective Slaughter, even when Castle seemed to reject her. She certainly wanted him to live rather than die with her. Rick thought that Beckett was solidly with him and signs of her retreat hurt him and scared him. He didn’t know how to handle it and reassure her. He responded, understandably, with anger. But he did come to realize that this is the Beckett he has always known and the one he fell for. She is emotionally unavailable sometimes. She lies sometimes, more in season 4 than now I think. Pretending that she didn’t hear his profession of love was a whopper. He is willing to accept that because he does love her so very much. He has also held back and told his share of fibs, plus the big lie to protect her, fearing more than anything that he would lose her. He showed parallel fear with Alexis. Fear can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They can reassure each other. They can move forward with a richer story. We have to hope that the newly shuffled stable of writers can achieve it.

There is no doubt about that. It is the reason that I’m no longer that excited about the show. I sure hope Andrew hits a home run in 6-1 because if he doesn’t there won’t be a 6-2 for me.
I think Marlowe temporarily lost his mind.

Ralph, I just read what you wrote in regarding my yesterday’s posting: you “will be out of here if Beckett go to DC’. Listen, read the words from Sally posted today, Jun25, just above Jessica’s. Sally is right, both Rick and Kate have their own difficulties, but AM will fix them, he has to, even if he sends Beckett to DC temporarily. Some wounds have to hurt first before they get healed, Remember when we were kids, that we had our cuts, injuries…how our moms had to clean everything first? it hurt like i don’t know what… then thet medicated the wounds so they could heal? that’s the same, it has to hurt more now for Kate to understand her mistakes,reach her own conclusion and then gets healed, If you abandon the series, you wont be able to see the good end of it, and won’t be here with Sally, Jessica, sad Christine ( who will be happy at that time) , me, and many others having a conversation about how well AM stirred the series, how Caskett is an almost perfect couple with just normal and small problems relationships have. hang in there, please, Ralph, read again Sally’s above posting. It will help, she has a way of explaining things that really makes us understand better this complicated couple called CASKETT, Thank you Ralph.

The problem is that we have already had three ending episodes of season five that need to be healed. We don’t need to have anything else for which anyone needs to apologize. We need to have punishment for the liar and selfish cheater so we can all move forward. Three is enough!

In the real world long term relationships are built on trust. Castle’s second wife cheated on him and what reason does he have for believing Beckett wouldn’t cheat. The lying, putting him down, etc., again in the real world would come just before the break up. No body in their mind would ask a women to marry them at that stage in the relationship. It’s fiction so miraculous changes can occur over night, but at a lost of belief in the characters.

Hi Sally, we went to see much ado, we loved it. Nathan had a relatively small part, he however, promoted the film as much as he could, wonder if the other actors did the same. It was kind of fun to see him doing something different, but still could see his humor in his character. It seems that he has lost weight since the filming. I watched on line his interview in conor’s as you mentioned, cause I missed it, you said he looked good, you were right, he does look great. waiting now for new feed about Castle, I am sometimes think I am obsessed by the series, smiles…

Nathan has been diving in the Caribbean, the Island of Bonaire. He tweeted pictures. He looks even better than on Conan (thinner),and his hair is perfect, even under water. I don’t know how he does that! I think if he comes back like that, and tan, they may have some continuity problems. Maybe, if there is a time skip they’ll either have Castle and Beckett go somewhere to celebrate or Castle go somewhere to lick his wounds, depending on Kate’s answer. If they work in real time like they did after season 2, it won’t be a problem. It will be Fall. The writers are hard at work. Some have departed. There are some new ones and Terri Miller is back full time. Apparently Penny Johnson Jerald has been told what is going to happen and she says we’ll love it, whatever that means. Stana has been told the answer to the proposal and has hinted there might be some DC time but I honestly don’t think she knows that much because they haven’t been wriiting the scripts that long. The writers get a hiatus in May. Filming starts again July 8 or 9 depending on who says it. Molly says July 9, but she doesn’t have as much to do. I know that I’m obsessed and I’m fine with it. I was obsessed as a Trekkie and invited my husband to be to my place to listen to Star Trek tapes – audio, no VCR’s then. 38 years later, still together and he buys me Castle DVD’s. I was talking to my rep from Directv today and we bonded over the fact that she’s obsessed with Castle too. I got a whole new system and I’ll be paying less! Go Castle fans!

Your story brought smiles to me,.. my husband would watch and re-watch star trek when we got married after having watched the original series on tv. He has the series also on video that his parents gave to him. we don’t have a way to play them anymore, vcrs are long gone… I understand now his fixation cause I am the same way with Castle, He also, when possible, watches the re-runs with me, loves it, we ,at home, are Caskett fans! Our daughter also loves it and has friends who are fans, she has a calendar in her bedroom that was given to her by a friend, she doesn’t write anything on it, just for decoration of course, smiles… Castle is for all ages, she is young, college studen. She had jury duty recently and told us that during recess, outside the court room, one lady was reading one of Castle’s Nikki Heat. She told me the lady could be in her late 60’s, she then, kindly approached the lady and asked her if she watched Castle series on tv, the lady replied: “YES”! so they had a good conversation about the show. I just enjoyed this story, wasn’t it nice? I think that not just Nathan, Stana but all cast and writers should be very proud of what they have accomplished with this series, and the kind of audience they got, honestly. Regarding Nathan looking a little different now from what he looked at the proposal, I believe the writers will have to come up with some kind of situation that will take them to the future and skip the swing meeting, how will it be possible I don’t know, but will have to be figured out. Yes, end of season 2, Caskett did not see each other for at least 2 months, so changes in the appearance could have been well explained, if had happened, but now, what to do? How can they skip the swing and the answer to the proposal? It will have to be ,maybe, played back by just their voices, as, maybe, time had been passed for both of them and they are thinking and hearing their voices but not scenes from swing or them together at that time. Let’s see, hope it will be good, so we will have a beginning of season 6 unforgettable. Yes, we are obsessed with this show!!!

Ralph, let’s hope for the best, I believe that by now the writers know well that the fans are not or were not happy with some of the last eps of season 5. However, by Sally’s posting, Stana said that there will be some DC time, so, maybe it will be like I had posted in the past, Kate will go, she will have time to analyze her feelings, needs and priorities. She will eventually return to NY with a better disposition and seriousness about Caskett relationship. I think that is doable, I believe she will need to see Dr, Burke again. Rick is a father, parents always have soft heart to forgive all, Then Rick can show up suntanned and looking good, per Sally posting. We still have to wait for more than 2 months to find out what the writers will chose for 6.1.:( that’s the problem!!! In this meantime we can just speculate.

Just watched a Mistresses written by Terri Miller and the new writers, the Creaseys. I think we have much to look forward to. There were themes of people working through rough patches and a note reminiscent of Mike Royce in terms of following passion. If this is any indication, I think things will get back on track in very loving way. can’t wait!

I wouldn’t but then I’m not writing this fiction angst. If Beckett goes to DC she needs to suffer in order to get back into the good graces of all, fictional or non-fictional folks,
Another thing that makes me furious is the reversal of Beckett’s feeble mind. To be supposedly the best cop in the world she can’t make a decision. Others have mentioned that in 4-23 alll Beckett wanted was Castle, to hell with the job. Here we are a year later and all Beckett wants is the job, to hell with Castle. Come on Andrew, make up your feeble mind.

I still say that my ‘warm relationship’ theory best explains the evidence.

Ralph, you are perfectly right, end of season 4 all Kate wanted was Rick, no job, now season 5,just job, maybe not Rick, but that we do not know for sure, she hasn’t answer the proposal, so writers better change this thing quickly, many contradictions in the character’s behavior, but we need to stick to it, don’t leave the show, Sally seems to have some good info, and will pass them onto us. I agree those eps from season 5 were horrible, some people said they watched TSTQ more than once to try to understand and analyze it, but for me I have no desire to watch it again, one time was more than enough to get disappointed at Kate’s behavior. As a faithful spouse I do not accept her decision to let the guy kiss her, even if she did not kiss him, that was unbelievable, however I will not let some poor writer ‘s weakness spoil my 5 year commitment to the series, and will stick to it, I know they will turn this thing around, and if Kate has to suffer hard then be done so she can come back with a better disposition in her heart and mind, and stay where she belongs. So Ralph, I hope we will not be let down in season 6.

I can certainly understand the up and down of a relationship; even the uncertainty in the middle of where it is going. So from that standpoint it is more realistic to see the good and the bad, not just the happy. But I don’t think that this season has presented either the good or the bad particularly well, and the transition between them was awful after Still. The story telling fascination with ambiguity and symbolism really got in the way of the story for me. I do like some of the story mystery and I really like the character building and continuity over time (which seemed to be lost as well). But sometimes the best approach to the story is to just kick the chair out from under someone! It’s direct, unambiguous and effective.

I am somewhat comforted (sadly) by many of the fan comments about season 5 in general and the last three episodes specifically because I share many of the same thoughts. Midway through the season I felt like it was “off” relative to earlier years and I really felt like the TSATQ-HF-WS sequence came from out of the blue. I got annoyed and tired of Castle being a buffoon. In the past we were given enough information to know that he was still grounded in reality even with his silliness, like in the zombie episode. This season, the grounding was not always there. For most of the season I felt like Kate was on more of an even keel even if she was not quite sure where their relationship was headed. But TSATQ would have been more enjoyable if at first they had told us she was replaced by an alien space invader pod person.

I know this is a foolish opinion but it is mine: I think the show needs to apologize to the fans. This would actually be quite simple to do. Let Kate and Castle apologize to each other. They both did some awful things to their relationship in TSATQ and if there is something else that was bothering Kate then get it in the open in a way we can clearly see and understand. Castle unloaded his anger about the job interview so let’s hear Kate tell him why she went and why she did not tell him. It’s pretty straightforward. I do agree with many comments that a bit of balance needs to be restored. So let Kate come clean to Castle, and him to her, have her say yes to the proposal and move on to the best season of Castle yet.

Here is one possibility: assuming that Kate did not take the DC job (I believe she turned it down on the way to the swings) season 6 will open with her in DC dressed just like in the interview. She will be in a sterile office working with Agent somebody, a coworker of Agent Stack (who will not be there). There will be no sign of an engagement ring or of the gold bracelet. The conversation will be ambiguous but leave the impression that Kate is now on the job in DC. She will be a bit depressed (“did I make the wrong decision?”). Cut to Castle back in his loft in NY. He will be there with some woman that we have never seen before. Their conversation will also be ambiguous but hint at some kind of relationship or personal interaction. Castle will also be a bit depressed (“I can’t believe she said no and left”). The doorbell will ring. The new woman will answer the door, leaving Castle in his office to ponder whatever double entendre their conversation was about. Kate will be at the door with her luggage. Awkward moment. Castle will walk in, a bit surprised. The woman will have an excuse to leave. Kate and Castle will exchange a slightly painful glance. Then, “why didn’t you call me?” “We got done early so I caught an earlier flight to surprise you.” “I’m glad you’re home”. “Me too”. Hugs and kisses. Now we see the gold bracelet. We find out Kate was in DC to wrap up the drone case. She still works for the NYPD and she and Castle are now engaged. Castle and the woman (who works for Gina) were working on his new book. And somehow we will learn that Kate went to the swings to ask Castle to marry her! Good for the characters, good for the show and it sets up a lot of funny and dramatic opportunities for season 6.

For most of the Castle series your question would be flattering. For parts of season 5, not so much. It is much easier to be a helpful critic than the original creator. If Mr Marlowe wants to use something in my post he is welcome!

JLynn, great idea! very good, you got 100% right plus some bonus. Hope writers will read your posting. smiles smiles, if it happens, then Castle can have lost weight and be suntanned that will not make a difference because it will show that time had passed by. AM needs to know your idea asap, smiles………. regarding all of your posting about season 5 I also agree 100%, in my opinion it did not come close do the previous seasons in revealing character’s traits, behavior and much more, not just Kate but also Castle, especially when it came to comics, I think it was away too much for his persona. He was funny on the other seasons but was a grounded man. YOU nailed it, JLYNN.

JLynn,they k&C”both did some awful things in tsatq”?are we watching the same ep.???If castle playing a video game when kate was looking for some action,right after he was willing to leave his daughter fatherless equates to kates time together with vaughn ,not to mention her lying to castle &trying to blame her actions on castle for “taking her for granted”is so off i will not comment on it any further!

Well, no sin at all, but he did say “Jordan.” Agent Shaw’s first name is Jordan. Beckett was certainly jealous of Agent Shaw. She might have been thinking that Castle was dreaming of Agent Shaw. That assumes, or course that the writers keep track of such things, which I am very much afraid that they don’t. The Jordan origin story is not consistent with the Damien Westlake story or even possibly the Casino Royale from Daddy story. They need a guide like they used to have on Star Trek, made by a fan, I believe.

I said in my earlier posting that I think the writers failed Kate. If I look strictly and only at what they showed us (which after all is the only reality in a work of total fiction) then I would run away from Kate. If the show’s producers want to publish a detailed, understandable explanation of what they were trying to tell me then maybe my opinion of the writing would change. In the absence of that I have tried to figure out my own interpretation of the story.

If I were to keep score of who was worse to whom then I would say that Kate was the loser. In TSATQ, Castle’s focus on the video game was much ado about nothing to me because partners are very often ready to play out of sync with each other (although I still think Castle needs to see his doctor). Kate’s problem was that she saw it as rejection and that contributed to her meltdown later. But Castle was not very nice to her later in the office when he blamed her for doing what her boss told her to do. His symbolic cable cutting ceremony at the end was a really shallow stunt that made him feel better rather than Kate. At the end Kate reached out to him to talk about their relationship. He did not have to answer her question with a proposal but given his willingness to let the Vaughn incident slide he should have at least asked her where she wanted them to go. Instead he ignored her (once again, Kate felt rejected) and ran.

Kate’s decision to go on the job interview without telling Castle, and then lying to him about where she had been, was very damaging to her relationship with Castle for the exact reasons that he said to her. It was damaging because Castle perceived the damage and it takes two people to be in a relationship. However, by that time Kate was already damaged herself. She did not know where she and Castle were headed and when she asked him he did not answer. Regardless, she had arrived at the point where she had to understand her relationship with herself before she could understand her relationship with Castle. She had to decide if she wanted to live her life for her mother’s death or if she was going to live for herself and go for the relationship with Castle. The job offer forced her to decide her own future for herself. The only way she could have the relationship with Castle that she wanted was to come to terms with herself and then go for broke with him. That is what she was doing when she went to the swings. Interestingly, this is almost the same struggle Castle was having with himself. He finally realized that if he was to go forward with Kate then he would have to come to terms with himself and accept that he could not manipulate her into being his idealized mate. He loves her for who she is but he had to finally realize that she is a whole package, not just his personal fantasy. Once he accepted that within himself, he was free to propose to her.

These two people are madly in love with each other but they are shockingly immature at managing a real relationship; something more lasting than bedtime. Now that Castle has dropped the big question they would both be much better served by clearing the air between them (and us in the real world) and get on with life, together.

Here is the latest news from TVSpoiler. They are casting two roles. One is a free spirit twenty something guy named PI who Alexis meets on vacation. He will be a recurring character. The other is a 30 something intelligent no nonsense detective named Rachel McCord. She is for at least a 3 episode arc. Let the speculation start! Will she replace Beckett if Beckett goes to DC? Is this a sign that Beckett may go to DC for a while? It would certainly jibe with what Stana has been hinting. Of course, it could mean something else entirely. Comments? Plotlines?

I have absolutely no idea where season 6 will go. That does not mean that we can’t put some scenes on the table that we think will be fun. Here are mine. First, my thoughts below come with the expectation that Kate and Castle will be engaged, if not publically then privately. Their story should be past the angst of will they stay together or not and move into the ups and downs of a real relationship between two people who are totally committed to each other. I think the commitment sets up many more fun and dramatic stories than otherwise. If the story actually goes some other way then who knows. So some thoughts;

1. I want to see the characters and relationships move forward.
2. Kate can take Castle for a ride on her motorcycle. Recall she teased him with a mental picture of her in leather. So let’s see her. Imagine Kate sitting on her Harley at the curb outside of Castle’s loft. Out comes Castle dressed in some ridiculous outfit, maybe the fencing suit in his office, ready for his first motorcycle ride.
3. Kate can show us her tattoo.
4. The 12th precinct picnic with Kate and Castle doing the three legged race.
5. Kate and Castle go ice skating at Rockefeller Plaza at Christmas.
6. Kevin and Jenny’s baby story.
7. Esposito needs a girlfriend. I don’t care if it is the new tech girl or Lanie or if one leads to the other, just get him one.
8. More of the brother-sister relationship between Castle, Ryan, Kate and Espo. Find a reason to mix up the pairing once.
9. Big brother Espo and sister Kate heart to heart; maybe Kate needs it, maybe Espo, maybe both.
10. Kate and Castle battling rumors of their engagement.
11. Either get 3XK or set it up so that they get him the next time.
12. Something with Bracken.
13. Kate, Martha and Alexis girl’s day out. I’m sure Martha can show Kate things she never imagined.
14. Kate and Alexis heart to heart. How does Alexis feel about sharing her dad and how does Kate feel about having a step daughter?
15. Kate and Martha heart to heart. How will Martha assure Kate that she is the best thing that ever happened to Richard (except for herself of course).
16. Lanie’s backstory. Also a bit about Perlmutter. We have only seen them together once so get them together again. This time they need to disagree. Imagine that argument. In the end they both have to be wrong, and right.
17. Kate gets a promotion in the NYPD to a real team lead but still has to work the cases.
18. Kate turns Eric Vaughn into a soprano singing human pretzel.
19. Castle is less stupid and Kate is more secure.
20. This one has three possibilities. Premise: the case of the week requires Kate and Castle to go to northern NY to investigate a lead. They will be in the neighborhood of Jim Beckett’s cabin, which is on Lake Champlain.
a. Kate wants to show Castle her dad’s cabin. When they get there the cabin lights are on but Kate thought her dad was in the city. So Kate uses her key and she and Castle enter the cabin, gun drawn. Sitting on the couch (or not sitting) is Jim and a woman that Kate does not know. Kate is shocked to see her dad with a woman. Now Kate (and Jim) has to confront her lingering guilt over her (and now her dad) moving forward with her life and away from her mother’s death. OR
b. Kate calls her dad to tell him that she and Castle have to go north. He asks where and she tells him. He says great, I will be there then so you have to stay with me so I can get to know my future son-in-law better. Kate reluctantly says ok. Some awkward moments, like who sleeps where. Surprisingly, most things go very well between Jim and Castle, which annoys Kate. But she really gets annoyed when both Jim and Castle swear that they saw Champ, the Loch Ness Monster of Lake Champlain, and Kate has to bring both of them back to reality (or she gets to see it too!). OR
c. Use story “a” but get Champ in somehow.

You are going to have to factor in the news characters. 1. The free spirited 20 something guy named PI who Alexis meets on vacation and will be a recurring character and 2. the new 30 something no nonsense intelligent detective named Rachel McCord who will be around for at least a three episode arc. I love what you want to do to Eric Vaughn, but I can think of something worse. He signed off on the fraud, make him explain it to a congressional committee.

Ok. There are a few things that will have to be made clear. First of all Beckett still thinks the breakup with Meredith was because Castle didn’t open up. She has to understand that Meredith cheated. It would also really help if Castle could actually tell Beckett why he is obsessed with death. That should be an interesting and possibly horrifying story. Beckett will have to understand that constantly using the words me, my, and mine is not helping the relationship. She is going to have to try we and our. Castle is going to have to pay a little more attention to the subtext of what Beckett says. Understanding these things could take a story arc. They can be engaged, but that stuff would have to be cleared up before marriage. Hopefully Andrew and Terri and the gang can figure out how to lighten it up. Come to think of it, Castle and Beckett could do an encounter weekend. There could be a murder that they could solve and work through some of their problems, perhaps as a reflection of other peoples problems. Maybe they can beat on each other with nerf bats or giant gloves. It could be funny and productive.

I continue to be amazed as people refer to kate as damaged,rejected,as if she is some 8 year old little girl,there are many people who wished the were treated as badly as castle treats kate, kates reaching out to castle and asking were are we going was quite self serving,,allowing vaughn to ask personal questions and not once defending castle,her ego became inflated,to me her statement”where is this going “as she looks at him not favorably was i could be with vaughn ,but i’am stuck here with you and i’am not sure i want you;it so out of the blue for her to say this ,to confront in a relationship is not her MO,but because castle “took her for granted” poor thing,yea she ‘s very damaged,all the attention from vaughn magnified her ego,so the “where are we going”.

Kate acts totally irrational IMO. She is damaged from what ? If anyone should be damaged from relationships it should be Castle who has had some tough cookies to swallow in his previous marriages. Yet he still is civil and even friendly with his exes.
This “poor fragile Kate” crap is getting on my nerves. She is just an attention seeker who needs to be told how great she is and that the sun revolves around her all day. That is high maintenance at its finest. She akways had some of these traits but in the last 3 episodes the writers pushed them to the extreme that if i were her man id run for the hills.
How would she react if there was a real problem as i dont count playing a video game as a real one. And why the heck would she think that Castle takes her for granted 1 episode after Still where he was willing to die for her ? Kate is slowly turning into one of those self entitled people i really despise. She is no better than Castle or Espo or Ryan.
The writers better turn this around or i am ready to give up on Castle because i have no interest in watching an on/off on/off relationship and permanent angst.
THey better settle this down and focus on them teaming up as a solid and funny pair to get back to the fun lighthearted witty Castle we all love. If i want relationship drama i watch Greys Anatomy or stuff like that but not a crime series like Castle.

Indeed! I’m either tired of”sensitive Kate”. First of all, i think she as NO reason to be angry at Castle, the guy does everything for her. Just a reminder since season 1 until now, Castle is a keeper , he never gave up on her; he is willing to die for her, he paid a lot of cash to catch her mother killer, does everything that she wants even if he don’t! he i the best boyfriend ever!
That scene in TSAQ just drive me nuts- she got all awkward when Erik asked her if she was with Castle! I mean, when you’re in a relationship for so many time, you don’t have doubts like her did!, and the reason pissed me even more (she wanted to get laid and he was playing) , please.. Is she a ninfo or something?Bcz i don’t see the need of having sex all the time with your BF, he was playing his game, whats the problem?! Then in the end she tought Castle only wanted sex! Makes no sense! And that kiss, she obviously wanted it, was in her face! That episode was the worst ever, and the last episode she was clear she wanted the job, and not Castle, she also said to her dad, she had to choose between 2 diferent futures (job or castle), but yet she choosed her job! So i rather see them breaking up in spite of castle proposed her! She needs to learn a lesson. My wishes for the next season is castle being that party boy again, FAMOUS, with women throwing herselves at him all the time. And kate needs to be alone and suffer a bit. Do you remember the end of season 4? kate only realized she had to do something when she lost castle (4×23 when he said he was done; 4×20 when she told lanie he was pulling away; 4×21 when she saw herself being replaced by another detective)- Only when he pulls away she gives the right value. So my apolagize to those who want their happy road in the beggining in season 6, i don’t! she needs to be less selfish! its always about her !

I think part of the problem might be (and I’m sure I’m projecting because I know this is why I’m not really looking forward to anything) is that the season ending arc of Beckett not knowing where they were going made it feel like everything that came before had been a lie. Sure, they had tentative moments throughout the season, but their actions – at least from the outside – showed them as pretty damn committed to each other, as they have for the whole series run. So in my mind it’s totally a writing (and for Watershed a directing) failure.

I absolutely think they will be back together and back to normal by the end of the first episode (its the show’s formula), so it’s hard to invest in a cliffhanger of this magnitude, or to believe Beckett could be so thoughtless.

A good cliffhanger gives the audience closure on what you had been watching all season, and opens up the possibilities for the next season, Every other season they did this effectively. This season all they left was a character mess and a wailing fandom. It’s a turnoff, and that’s where people throw up their hands ask what they hell have they invested in? Not great storytelling, IMO, and a critical enough moment (the proposal?? that’s really where you are going to screw it up??) that people have a right to feel cheated. Someone said it on another board I was reading that it’s as if they ruined the marriage proposal. People have been waiting for years for this, and you get one chance to do it right.

The relationship can be fixed by just putting them back together, most people won’t care how they get there or if they even bother to address anything, but clearly I”m not the only one who has pretty low expectations for it.

If nothing else the show’s producers have done a masterful job of creating so much uncertainty that we will all be watching 6×01 regardless of whether we liked the wind down of season 5 or not. After 6×01…who knows. I still subscribe to the theory that the writing of Kate’s struggle was not successful at conveying the true conflict within her. TSATQ should have left us sympathic to her struggle with herself and Castle’s unwillingness to talk with her at the end. But for many of us that did not happen. I also believe that Still was not just a gift before the storm. Most real world people, like all of us, find it incredibly hard to understand how Castle could commit his life to her but she could not understand that commitment in TSATQ. If the TSATQ story had been written better I think that we would have all understood the conflict within her. I believe that she really did understand what Castle did in Still and she knew that there was no reason why he would have done that other than he did love her and was committing his life to her. But that really scared her because she did not know if she was capable of making that same commitment to him because she “still” did not understand her relationship with herself. TSATQ opened with her offering herself physically because that had always attracted Castle in the past (after all what do you give to someone who was willing to be blown up with you?). But he was not as interested as he had been in the past and that led her to feel rejected in the one area where she felt the most relationship confidence. Castle did not reject her (although he should see his doctor). In his mind he had already committed his life to her; he would always be there for her so by that reasoning she would always be there for him. Vaughn’s advances toward her forced her to question herself and her willingness to move beyond her past to embrace her relationship with Castle. When she hesitated in her answer about how serious she was with Castle I don’t think she was really questioning Castle. She was questioning herself and her ability to be all in. Acceptance is part of a relationship but they were at different places in the relationship. Castle made Kate’s concerns much worse when he refused to talk to her at the end of TSATQ. He knew that conversation would force him to confront his own fears, which came out a bit clearer in Watershed. But Kate had to come to grips with who she is and what she wants from her own life. That is what she was trying to tell Castle when he found the boarding pass. The job offer has forced her to make that decision and that is what led to the swings.

I agree, Marie. When I was young and dating, if I dated a girl for along period and we would have a fight, I would consider that all we had until that moment was garbage, and love was gone from those fun times. I never fought with the girls I dated for that very reason.

Marie,well put,any one wondering where their relationship is going,and their are many out there,can not be very objective& that includes kate,the dynamics of their relationship changed big time with “still”,castle willing to die for kate and her among others out on the web wondering where are its going??Serious ????If my significant other was willing to die along side me, it would end any foolish notion of where are we headed,what a insult to logical thinking people! I do not care if the roles were reversed ,if it was castle asking that question to kate as she was willing to die along side him i would be saying the same ,castle get your head out of your conceited butt!!You should read some of the other sites out there,some are calling for kate in season 6 to go through much pain,that she should have to hurt along the lines she hurt castle -could you imagine the eruption from beckett fans if they think she is being damaged by castle so far-there would be such anger by them -that castle would be viewed as a step above hitler!

Spoiler Alert:
have someone read the new spoilers? seems like another detective will come up to the precint around 3rd episode and is described as “savy, intelligent”… this season will be though to watch- i’m already seeing the story, kate will took the Dc job and castle start to hang out with this new detective, and kate will back and fight for everything again…. I don’t even want to watch, wake me up when castle&beckett marry/have a child/ are living a happy ever after….. until then… i just want to put my head underground-.- i’m pissed now. Cheers.

No, they say thay she, a 30 something no nonsense intelligent detective will be around for at least a 3 episode arc. There is also a potential love intertest for Alexis. These guys love misdirection. This does not necessarily mean Beckett goes to DC. If she does, it may mean castle goes with her, given that Alexis will have someone else to talk to. Hang in and see what happens. You can always get mad later.

I appreciate the offer Sally, but I am not that great with writing. I don’t remember who it was that put forth this idea but having a new detective working with Castle with Beckett in DC sounds good to me. With a way to let Beckett see the flirtation Castle is doing with the new person will make her see what she has missed. My only problem would be how would you realistically get her back to NY?

Castle has literally walked thru fire for Beckett and risked being blown up. I don’t see him flirting with a new detective. My story goes another direction. But, if I was going to go along your lines and get Beckett back, that would be easy. Bracken is in the middle of a conspiracy in DC that has its origins in NY. Assign Beckett to the investigation and make her try to figure out how to cover up both Montgomery’s involvement and her own involvement in the cover-up. That would put her with everyone at the 12th.

If im totally honest id love the idea of Castle kicking Beckett to the curb after all she has done. And for her to fight like crazy to win him back. And he better not make it easy for her. Make her suffer a little … hmm maybe a lot is better. I dont know where those evil feelings came for me but i just get angry when i see a woman having an incredible relationship right in front of her and not appreciate it at all. Throwing it away because of a lousy job in DC ? Yeah she deserve punishment ….

Right Christine, and the only way to do that is fro Castle to get interested in another female. Beckett is the one with all of the boyfriends, turnabout will be fairplay and will be the only thing Beckett understands. I would love an episode where Beckett will have to work with Castle and his new detective in the 12th.

OMG, I just finished watching the last episode of season 2, I almost cried again, at home we have watched it a few times, but it seems always so touching and new every time we watch it. Rick does everything to take Kate to the Hamptons, but she says she is dating– or better, she said, she and Dem.. (other detective) were then together… that made my husband really sad, Well after all that effort, Rick decided to go to the Hamptons with his ex-wife, by this time Kate had already changed her mind and wanted to go with him… Well… deja vu again…but again it was toooooo late, they said good-bye…If another detective falls for Castle, and more complications come to pass, it is going to be horrible, just tell me it is not true, hotcrakerfilipa!!!! Sally are you sure it is not going to happen? When are these two people going to be together for real, maybe we all will need to put our heads underground. Ralph will not like it and say good bye to the series. Depressing if Castle fall in love with new detective…

I’m not sure of anything, but gee, Castle is willing to die for Beckett, he proposes to Beckett and then he’d fall for another detective? I’d wonder what the writers were smoking. I think maybe Beckett may be in DC for a few episodes and Castle will either be with her or pine for her. I’m thinking maybe the other detective, who is not in on the Montgomery coverup, uncovers something at the precinct re Bracken and Beckett comes back to finish it up. Just a guess of course. Unless someone has planted a bug in the writers’ room we only know what they tell us and we know that they are teases. After the episode you talked about at the end of season 2, Andrew heard from a lot of fans who were mad at Castle for going off with Gina, even though Kate was intimately with Demming (Castle thought.) As a result, Castle was punished a lot in the first episode of season three to give the fans their pound of flesh. Andrew talks about this on the commentary of the season three opener on the DVD. If Andrew is aware of just how mad the fans are about how Beckett behaved and also of the fan response to the idea of a Beckett Castle separation, I think something will be done about it. I don’t see how he could be unaware. The fan’s wish to see a happy get-together has been everywhere. Terri tweets a lot and she gets a lot of input and of course she talks to Andrew. I think they will try their best to make the fans happy. If you listen to commentaries, there is no doubt that Beckett and Castle are crazy in love with each other no matter what happens. That makes TSATQ all that more puzzling. I did watch in slow motion and Beckett did not quite complete the kiss and she did push Vaughn away. She loves Castle. She was just afraid the relationship wasn’t real. Given what Castle said and the fact that he proposed to her anyway, I would think she would know by now. We’ll see. Sometimes I wish I could go to sleep and wake up at the end of September. If Ralph wants to leave, so be it. If fans start leaving, that will be a wake-up call and they’ll know they have to fix things for November sweeps. We’d welcome Ralph back. Nathan did a good job in Monsters University, not that I’d expect otherwise. He’ll be in Percy Jackson and the Sea of Monsters the end of August. He’ll be very visible to the fans. Also he’ll be at the Nerd Machine in July. His things there are usually about an hour long and they may stream. It’s all for Operation Smile. Whether it streams or not, it will end up on youtube. That will be a gift to the fans. Who knows, he may drop a hint. By then he’ll have filmed at least the first episode of Season 6. He has a video coming out on DVD voicing Green Lantern again in the Justice League at the end of the summer. He has his fan base and it is strong. Stana has hers as well, but it is nothing like his and I think her only movie is the CBGBS. Soooo I don’t think that Andrew is crazy enough to tick off that many people. There are 1.8 million on twitter alone following Nathan. They don’t want to see bad things happen to Castle, at least not long term. As to all the speculation re Andrew and Stana – give me a break! Andrew and Terri have been together for 20 years and he is the one who talked her into coming back to Castle full time this year. He definitely writes better in partnership with her. Witness Handcuffed and Lives of Others. I think from the angle of showing the intimacy of a couple, Lives of Others did it better even than Still. The little hugs, stroking and foot scratches that Castle got from Beckett were beautiful and endearing. It also showed him holding her in bed when they were not actively making out. That was a beautiful closeness that we need to see again. What Andrew and Terri do together is not a Beckett fest, it is a Caskett fest. The last episode, which Andrew wrote but Terri named, clearly showed Beckett in a doubtful light. Castle was a little clueless but Beckett was a liar.That is not Beckett worship. There is one thing that they definitely will have to work on. The show was structured, especially in the first three seasons so that the interplay of Beckett and Castle working together, finishing each others’ sentences and such was the symbolic sex, or at least foreplay. When they came to their simultaneous conclusions, Andrew said that was the equivalent of a big wet kiss. If they are have sex for real, a new dynamic has to be worked out. They couldn’t quite do that in season five and we didn’t get enough of the real stuff to substitute. To have the Castle we know and love, the snappy interplay will have to be back on the screen, maybe as fairly obvious foreplay. We need the inuendos and double entendres. They make the show. Then they have to lead somewhere. If the writers can get that right, they’ll hit it out of the park.

actually, IMO, the season will start with castle in NY, and kate in DC. I’m sure this season will be trouble, becz they are expecting a 7º season, so this one will be though and the other one will be more lighter and the road for an happy ending.
This season was to soft, until Erik vaughn come up, they will make this more harder. I’m 99% sure, this new detective will be an eye open to kate, for her to realize how much dumbs she was. And she’ll have to fight for castle again. Because doesn’t make any sense after all , they start season 6 all happy, it wouldn’t be fair. Kate needs to grow up.
I believe something like this will happen. I comment before this will be like the end of season 4, kate only realize she had to do something when castle started to pull away. So yes i bet on this, I don’t believe castle will date the new detective, but she can be a “warming” to kate, and she might back to the precint and fight for castle. II’d like to see more emotion on kate’s side, im sick of her doubts and stuff. I don’t want them to be ok for now, although i love them, i thinks this is the best justice for now. at least for a few episodes

You’re probably right on the leaving part. I spent the better part if five years waiting and hoping, but alas, Marlowe thinks he is writing a soap opera. The numbers will tell but it will be several episodes before Marlowe recognizes it.

Great comments nelmar &sally;we are all on the same page,we want them together,the main issue is that the writers up until now don’t other wise it would have happened.I’am not trying to be judge-mental ,but here we are 5yrs into the show and (their relationship) is not resolved!Are they going to be together forever or not?It appears the writers MO is to cause tension and than bring them together only to do again and again,i get it but for this many years, they have to change that format,its gotten old and its not a given that the rating will allow for season 7,why wait?Now i don’t know if its per say marlowe or the brass at ABC that pressured for those last 3 pitiful eps.Was it for rating and going for shock instead of letting the relationship progress on its own?There not saying.Now i don’t know if this new female cop we have heard is true or just speculation,if so one would guess that kate would be going to dc,if so it doesn’t make sense for castle to tag along for kate will not have time for him with the new job(that i believe was the jest from watershed)and outside of taking vacation,its in doubt that gates would give her the old job back for a second time-so were does this leave us?Maybe the women cop that replaces kate warms up to castle,and the word gets back to kate,quits the dc job,and finally opens up to castle and he to her ,they end up proposing to each other and plan the wedding quickly before the writers through a wrench into their plans! Amen.

Honestly, all of us together could write the episodes and make the fans happy! :) :) :) but we have to rely on AM, Miller and the others. So let’s see what will happen this fall. Sally wants to sleep, wake up and “voila”, it is fall. That would be nice but for now we have to speculate only. I really hope the writers do what you said Sally and many others in this feed, I loved the 3 first seasons, Caskett were so cute, even on season 4, but this last one lacked something, like when we cook and forget to put that special seasoning, the food is good, but we can say it is missing something that you can’t put your finger on, that’s how, more or less, I feel. The last eps were, however, completely without the seasoning, so we knew what was wrong at that time, so season 6 has to be the way we all want, so the “food” will be tasty from first bite to the last one. Sally, my daughter will watch Monsters University, she will not miss a Pixar film. If my hubby wants to go I will go with him, if not, I probably will miss Nathan this time. Yes, Nathan seems to have had a lot going on this summer, good for him, he does have a great fan club , well people know him from Serenity, etc… Sy Fy channel series, his fans want to see him doing good in Castle so writers better do it. I believe Stana became more known after Castle, she has been in some movies but Castle made her popular for sure. She is an excellent actress, I really like her acting in Castle, she can do good drama, I just did not like what the writers did at the end of season 6, not actors fault of course… Well it is Saturday! You all enjoy your weekend. There are/were 520 postings in this feed since June11, can you believe it? Caskett’s fans will not stop taking about them…

Andrew Marlowe just tweeted that he is six weeks into recovery from double orthognathic surgery and just starting to feel normal. If he was having problems last season, that could explain a lot. Regardless, I wish him well. At any rate, your post has given me an idea. We CAN write a story.It can be an amusement thru the summer and we can eventually see if we get even close. I’ll start.

To avoid continuity problems with the length of Stana’s hair or any change in Nathan’s appearance, let’s start in the fall. Beckett has accepted Castle’s proposal, sort of. She wants to see if they can actually stand living together without having their own places to retreat to. Castle gets a condo in the DC area for them, close enough to her work so that she can come home fairly easily. He’s also gotten a timeshare on a Learjet so that he can get back to NY speedily when the need arises. Beckett has been looking into a conspiracy to assasinate an official in the Justice Department who has been looking into campaign finance irregularities. She has enlisted Castle’s help as a speedreader in going thru some voluminous non-classified documents. Unbeknownst to Castle and Beckett, the condo is bugged. Castle uncovers something that might be a link to Bracken, but he has to fly back to NY to do some business on a deal to make a movie of Naked Heat.

Castle gets in touch with Ryan and Esposito and arranges to meet at the Old Haunt to catch up. He never shows. When they can’t reach him, Ryan and Esposito get worried and call Beckett and Alexis. Beckett goes to NY despite the fact that she is new and has no leave. Alexis shows up at the 12th with the new 20 ‘s something character PI. Martha is in England doing a play in the West End, the English equivalent of Broadway. Rachel McCord is assigned to the case by Gates, as an investigator with no emotional investment.

We see Castle unconscious on a bed in a windowless room. We don’t know if he is alive or dead.

Sally, I am not sure I can write as well as you do, but here we go… Castle was to tell Ryan and Esposito confidentially, of course, that he had proposed to Beckett and that she had accepted it. That they were really doing well in DC, living together. That he was happy and his dream girl finally was coming out of her shell, how much in love he was with her and vice-versa. However he was not able to do so due to the kidnapping, So nobody knew at the Precinct 12 about the engagement and how much serious they were with each other. Rachel is assigned to the case as we heard above, and shows great interest in it, because she realizes that the person in danger is one of her favorite mystery writers, She as well has a collection of his books, remember chapter 1 season 1, Kate had a collection of Castle’s books? Martha tries to get on an airplane, desperate to get to NY, when she hears about her son. There is, however a fog in England and her airplane gets delayed, she keeps calling Alexis and the precinct to know how the situation is going. In this meantime, Castle’s father finds out about his son’s situation, and decides that it is time to come to New York and be close to the family and maybe help with the case. Kate arrives at the precinct, without her ring, of course, meets the new detective, who is in charge of Castle’s case. Gates asks Kate to try to stay away from the investigation because of her attachment with Mr. Castle. By now, Kate is already jealous of the new detective. Ryan, Esposito and Lanie are able to notice it, although Lanie knows about the engagement, she has no right to reveal it, The boys start making some jokes about Kate’s behavior, who doesn’t want to hide her feeling for Castle but on the other hand is concerned about saying too much about the seriousness of their then relationship. Lanie guides Kate to the coffee area and gives her an opinion, tells her that she should come clean with the situation, maybe even wears the ring, so things could be more clear in the precinct about Caskett…. Finally Martha’s airplane takes off, stops over in Paris. At the boarding time, she and Castle’s dad are walking almost parallel to each other without noticing it. They are boarding the same plane. At certain point they look at each other then… …(someone ends this part for me…)

At the precinct things are warming up in the search for Castle, leads are coming in, Beckett, has just one more day to stay, she needs to return to DC, but her heart is desperate, she needs to find Rick, not just because she has to do it, but she really doesn’t want the other detective to get the honors of solving this mystery, almost like when Demming and Castle were trying to be the first one to solve the case, a competition arose between them. At this time it would be a competition between Kate and Rachel.
Should Kate starting wearing her ring and come clean before everyone to keep that new detective away from her man? (someone finishes this part for me please…?

To finish the first part. Martha and Castle’s father look at each other. Martha half whispers, “Alex?” He gives her a look of total puzzlement, shakes his head and walks away. We can assume that he doesn’t want to endanger her.
Kate decides to put on her ring and come clean with the boys and with Rachel. The boys are happy fo her as much as they can be, considering the situation. Rachel continues with her job because she has a murder to solve. Castle was supposed to have been picked up by a limo service, but the driver has been found dead, his uniform stolen. The assumption is that the murderer impersonated the driver and picked Castle up at the airport. Ryan works to trace the GPS on the limo. He finds a location by the built in GPS all the limos have. Ryan, Esposito, Rachel, and Beckett go to find the car. The car is abandoned. There is some blood in the back seat of the car. Lainie comes to test it. It is a match for Castle’s blood type, A+, same as Alexis. They all return to the 12th.
Alexis is at the 12th with PI. They are holding on tightly to each other. Martha is there as well. Lainie takes DNA samples from Martha and Alexis to help determine if the blood really is Castle’s or just someone with the same bloodtype, as 15% of the population is A+. Alexis, Martha and Beckett are holding on to the hope that it is not his.
The Limo is printed and searched for any clues to the identity of the kidnapper. There are no prints, but there is some hair that is clearly not Castle’s, but someone who is balding. The hair is sent for a DNA profile to determine whatever is possible about the suspect. Lainie tells Martha, Alexis, and Beckett that the DNA will take some time and that they should go to the loft, still maintained by Castle, and get some rest. She will call as soon as there is any news. Esposito and Ryan take Beckett aside and tell her that regardless of what Rachel does, they will keep her updated immediately.
We see the room in which Castle is imprisoned. There are two metal chairs as well as the cot on which Castle had been lying. Castle is tied to one of the chairs. A balding man with a large mole on his forehead wearing the pants and shirt from a limo driver uniform is in the other. It is turned in such a way that he is straddling it and looking at a groggy Castle. Castle has some blood on his temple and caked in his hair.
“Mr. Castle, it is time we had a talk,” says the balding man (BM). Castle looks up at him, trying to focus. We see a flashback of BM in the limo driver uniform loading Castle’s luggage into the trunk, opening the door for Castle and then conking Castle on the head as he bends down to get in the back seat.
“You know,” Castle tells him, “you have given up any chance at a tip”
“Very amusing” BM replies, “as I might have expected from a writer of your caliber, but I am interested in information, not money. We have met before, Mr. Castle. You were not Castle then but little Ricky Rogers.”
“I think I’d remember your boyish good looks.” Castle tells him. BM slaps Castle across the face. “Think about it!” BM tells him.
The group in the loft gets a call from Esposito. He reports that the blood in the Limo was indeed Castle’s. Alexis breaks into tears in PI’s arms. Beckett and Martha grab onto each other. Esposito continues that the DNA from the suspect shows a white male with male pattern baldness. The suspect may also have a predisposition to skin growths. The DNA does not match any current felon. They will be canvassing the limo service and the airport to see if they can find any clues as to who the suspect may be.
We see Alex outside with an earpiece. He has been listening to the conversation in the loft. He is clearly muttering obsenities under his breath. He takes off.
Beckett decides to go back to the 12th and see if she can help the boys and Rachel dig up anything. As she is leaving the building, she comes face to face with Bracken. Yelling “You son of a bitch,” she goes for her gun.” He holds up his hands. “I did not do this!” he tells her. “I am fully aware that I would be slitting my own throat and I do owe you a favor. So please know, that I had nothing to do with this.” Beckett lowers her gun. ” And you should know,” she says, “that if I find out that you did, there will be nowhere on the planet that you can hide from me.”
We see Castle still tied to the chair. His eyes are closed. We see images flashing of him as a little boy. His nanny has taken him to the park, but she is paying no attention. She is sitting on a bench with a bottle in a paper bag. Left to his own devices, Ricky heads into the undergrowth. He sees a man kissing and fondling a woman on the ground. The man has a receeding hairline and a large mole on his forehead. When the man gets up, the woman is still. Ricky does not really understand what is going on, but knows that it is not good. He goes to find his nanny who is ready to head back to the apartment because she wants to watch her soaps. Almost hidden in the trees, we can see a younger but still recognizable Alex. (We get some old James Brolin footage)
As Beckett is leaving the loft, she is approached by Alex.He tells her that he has no time for explanations but that he was with Rick and Alexis in Paris and thinks he can help. Beckett realizes who he must be. He tells her that he has a pretty good idea who the suspect is but will need some local help to track him down. Beckett goes to the 12th
to talk to Ryan and Esposito. Rachel walks in on the conversation and insists on being in on the investigation. Using the info that Alex has given Beckett, they discover that the suspect is a pervert who disappeared off the NYC police radar screens in the late seventies. They track down an address, go in and rescue Castle. Beckett almost kills the suspect with her bare hands, but Ryan and Esposito pull her off. Castle is loaded on a gurney to go to the hospital. Beckett goes along and can’t stop kissing him in the ambulance.
Beckett calls Martha and Alexis from the hospital to let them know that Castle is all right.
Beckett also gets a call from DC letting her know that she was in big trouble for being AWOL. However, there seems to have been some intervention from a senator that is keeping her in her job.
In our last scene, Castle has his head in Beckett’s lap on the couch in the loft (the new one props just bought). He is telling her about how he is just now really remembering the scene he witnessed as a child and realizing what its import was. Beckett ventures that this might explain how he has been drawn to trying to understand the evil that men do. He agrees. SMOOCH! More SMOOCH!
End of Episode. More before September?

Sorry I just HAVE to get this out:
For everyone who’s saying Kate let Erik get too close to her: Have you even watched 5×02 (Cloudy With A Chance of Murder)? If you have you wouldn’t be bashing Kate like this. As that episode so very clearly pointed out, Castle is no saint either. C’mon that dude is freaking huge! Do you think it would have taken him much effort to get that scantily-clad slutty reporter off him? Atleast Kate made some effort to push Erik away; Rick seemed a bit too comfortable IMHO. I shudder to think what might have happened had Kate not burst through the front door to Castle’s loft. Look I’m not trying to justify either of their actions; what they both did was terribly wrong but I feel it’s wrong to pick on Kate all the time. I just hope many of the self-appointed experts here get down from their high horses and realise that both of them are humans and flawed.

Exactly right BB123, every guy knows that if Castle had used the force necessary to stop Cottera he’d end up arrested and convicted of assault. Unlike Beckett, at that stage of their relationship he wasn’t allowed the easiest out which was to say he was seeing someone. Also, as I’ve pointed out before, he apologized profusely, but Beckett never does even though she had a much more intimate encounter with Vaughn, physically and emotionally.

Almost all of us are familiar with that episode. If you will watch it you will see that Castle does absolutely nothing to encourage Cotera(sp), and does attempt to get away. It is usually difficult for a real man to use physical force against a woman. To equate this situation with Kate’s flirtation and her leaning in for a kiss is ludicrous. I wish you Beckett lovers could use equal situations when you make comparatives.

I have to agree with ralph krithika,in the ep. you mentioned castle & kate were trying to hide there relationship,they wanted no one to know they were dating-also when you watch that ep. castle is on her talk show (as kate is watching) at first she is upset that castle didn’t say no,but as they are discussing it walking in to the 12th and castle suggest its the perfect cover for both of them in hiding their dating relationship,watch kates expression-she is laughing about it agreeing with castle it would be a good cover,on top of it castle is to take her to a public eatery that many others would see futhering their agreed cover,but the chick changed the arrangement up by going to castle’s loft instead.Plus castle was trying to cold shoulder her ;she even asked castle “why are you playing so hard to get”. Thats polar opposite to how kate welcomed vaughn and drank on the job,kate ate up the attention form vaughn big time,were as castle tried to get away form her,anyone who watched the reporter &castle knew nothing was gone to happen,kate with vaughn??you could tell she had something for vaughn,her lying to castle said as much!

Over on TV Guide is the following quote from Stana “Katic is clear on what she hopes Beckett does. “If she drops the FBI gig, she’s a loser,” she says. “This is a modern woman’s story, and I don’t want to send the message that a woman has to choose love over a career. New York and D.C. are not that far apart, and Rick’s a millionaire. They can travel. I think it would really be a big disservice to the character to create a job opportunity like this and let it peter out.”

Katic offers this suggestion to Castle’s writers to help keep the potential FBI agent connected to her NYC squad: “Bring the 3XK killer back, which requires Kate to put together her own team. Sometimes we’re all together in New York and sometimes we’re telling different stories apart. Kate can have it all!” Sounds good, but would Castle ever go for such an arrangement?”
I am beginning to think that Ralph is right about Stana and Andrew. This would kill the show for me.
Note I don’t disagree that a multimillionaire writer could easily have two places and travel back and forth. The show is them solving cases in NY with their cast. In DC Kate is just another mini-Booth and maybe should join the cast of Bones. Another dead show. It is hard to see how Castle fits in or why he would want to fit in. As some one who has been married to a very successful women for over 40 years I know that both sides have to treasure the relationship and make career adjustments for each other. Its mutual support and love some thing Kate does not seem to get. I don’t see where you can go after the last three episodes. Maybe wake up next to Castle and it was all a dream?

Well that is disappointing if the writers have the same superficial view of the world. Did Katic not pay attention to the lines she spoke? Her character expressly states that the job will leave no time for anyone else, so yes it is already set that she needs to choose a relationship or the career. Rick, I agree that is sounds like Katic herself has pretty self centered view of what a modern relationship is. No one is saying she has to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, but as you say a couple needs to make adjustments and sacrifices to make work and a relationship balance. And of course we still have then when will she stop lying part to deal with. I agree, maybe this show does need to pull a Dallas.

This is all very strange. First of all, the job wasn’t with the FBI, it was with the AG. I do believe that Beckett knows that she can have both love and the job. She got that lesson from Agent Shaw and her father. It wouldn’t hurt her to give Agent Shaw a call for advice. That would actually be kind of funny since Dana Delaney and Nathan played husband and wife. However, there is no reason Beckett would have to stay in DC for more than the span of a few episodes. There are lots of ways to bring her back. 3XK is certainly one. Bracken is another. Just basing her in a New York office would be a third. She could run a high profile murder task force in cooperation with the NYPD. I actually expect it may be something else entirely, but that she will either get fired or quit. If she is not working for the NYPD, clearly she and Castle can be engaged and/or married. They could certainly openly live together. I do not believe the showrunners will do what Stana says, necessarily. I don’t believe the connection to Andrew for a second, especially since he brought Terri back to the show full time and Terri seems to be running the writing right now. Last night she posted a picture of the three new writers with Jon Huertas and Seamus Dever. The precinct is a lot of the show. There can be action at a distance for a while though. Does anyone remember when Christine left Seattle for a while on Grey’s Anatomy? She came back and she came back to Owen. In this case, Castle can certainly be with Beckett. We’ll just have to see. Actors make suggestions all the time. That doesn’t mean that showrunners take them. Think about it for a minute. If Andrew actually liked Stana and Beckett so much, why would he turn Beckett into a character that the angry mob of fan wants to come after with torches and pitchforks? If anything, it all makes Castle look good.

No, I’ve checked the ABC boards and there are still a few around. Just like cockroaches, you can’t get them all. I do think that Katic’s interview with TV Guide as caused a few of them to realize that Stana isn’t the goddess they thought she was.

It would definitely kill it for me, and I don’t think I would be alone. I am deeply disappointed in Katic’s words. Hasn’t she been watching her own show?? To think after the last three episodes and then the rest of the series she could make a statement like that is a real downer.

Perhaps she wishes the series to be over. Then the skank can return to her nudity in movies and she can get in a little more time with her lesbian work. After all, she doesn’t have the longest hand and fingers I have ever seen for nothing.

I had no respect for her character and now I have no respect for her. Let her go to DC and bring in the new female character. It is evident the show will never recover as long as she feels the way she does and stays on the show.

Yeah, I used to think the real actors in the show were authentic, in-tact people. Then I noticed that Stana was in nude scenes and lesbian scenes…is she an actress or a struggling-I’ll-take-any-part-at-any-price-just-to-get-noticed actress??? I realize a girl has to make a living, but…what about the Castle fans…

I am just disgusted by Stana .. did she really just say that if you choose love over a stupid job you are a loser ??? Did that come out of her mouth ? That is not modern its just plain stupid. Sure a career is important but even she said as Beckett in the show that if she takes the job the relationship would be over. So she advertises to only be selfish , get the best job u can and leave everyone else behind in the dust . Sad and pathetic. Love is about compromise and making it work and yes sometimes about sacrifice.

Ugh, if they decide to pick up that storyline Castle is gonna lose even more of my respect. I love the show and it will always be my most favourite show and blah, blah, blah, but my interest for it is rapidly going downhill. I don’t know if it’s the hiatus or the recent interview stating two new characters are joining the show or whatever, but at this point, the show is beginning to turn a wee bit boring. And it’s all thanks to the last 3 episodes of Season 5

That is a good point. Though he has been demeaning Castle and focusing on Beckett’s worst points. If I had not watched all the seasons this would not be a show I watched after the last 3 episodes. It’s a shame because it was the only show on broadcast TV worth watching.

I have to be careful here because what stana is sayinging may not be gospel,just to get people worked up-on the other hand might be revealing her feminst views,i;am old fashion yet can say most married couples i know that have a good relationship,there is a balance where neither one dominates the other,where both are willing to sacrifice for the relataionship.This willing to sacrifice ,is something that kate has never done in her life,totally self absorbed with her self,castle though the writers have bent over backwards to make him appear selfish,immature,he is actually the mature one by far,rasing a child by himself he has proven to me as a single parent myself,the ability to sacrifce and actually put someone else before me.Kate is just walking down the only path in life she knows-herself!She is really starting to get under my skin,to quote her”this a modern women story”come clean kate,you will feel better,to you the modern women is nothing new,its simply i want what i want without sacrificing for anyone-but don’t call me on it,for i will deny it.or in kates case-lie !how pathetic!!!

What happens after the proposal.
1) Beckett says Yes. preferred answer. Then two damaged people go about opening communications and building a solid relationship while keeping busy with crime and writing.
2) She says No, but can’t we remain friends. Castle unprintable.
2) She says No and starts talking about her wall (which comes down easily for every guy she meets except Castle.) He says, “Frankly my Dear, I don’t give a damn” and walks a way and call one of the many beautiful women he knows to have dinner with him.

4) She says No and starts telling him that she as a modern woman will not be a loser to love a guy like Castle who is just not as modern as she is. She moves to DC to be a winner and is happy ever after to not be with a loser like Castle as he is clearly not as modern as she is. After being askes about modern relationships she says: “Just do whatever makes you happy and never mind the effect it has for others. Caring is only for total losers. And im not one of them !”

I haven’t writing here because I have seen many “fireworks” back and forth, and I am not into “fireworks”, I like to give my opinion and respect everyone else’s opinion whether I agree or not, but I have to be honest, after reading so many postings these last days, complaining about Stana’s interview I decided to post something… Well, If for sure Stana said that a woman who chooses love over work is a loser, she probably is hurting a big percentage of Castle’s audience, “The mouth says what the heart if ful of”, so if she said it and she meant it, it is sad after all. I do not consider myself a loser, I was close to Stana’s age when I met my husband of almost 25 years now, on a trip. I had a great job, however I lived very far away to keep my job if one day I married this guys I met. We,then, started knowing each other better after several trips back and forth, thousands of letters, (at that time now internet), and tons of phone calls, no skype at all. After a year he asked me to marry him. HUMMMMMMM did I choose my good 12 year old job or my love? Needless to say… we are married, we have a very successful child whom we both are very proud of. Do I feel like a loser? NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I am very happy I was for love and said good-bye to my job ;decided to be a wife, a mother, and much more. So, many couples that watch Castle probably see things the same way I saw, 25 years ago. I respect Stana’s point of view in certain way because I respect people’s point of view unless they hurt each other due of that. So, calling women losers is not very kind. Of course, she is entitled to her idea of choosing work over love, fine with me too, as long as I am not considered a loser because for sure I am a WINNER! When you are a celebrity, choice of words is very important, in a certain way,you are telling your fans what you are and what you think they are, so maybe it was a bad choice Stana used in wording her answer to the interviewer, let’s say…

I so 110% agree with you. A relationship is about commitment, compromise and yes sometimes sacrifice. You are not a loser for choosing a lofe that makes you happy ? For me a job couldnt even come close to bringing me the happines that my family does. As for Stana Katic , those comments she made were horrific.

I just saw a little live interview where she said that Beckett ought to be knocked up. Could Stana be playing games with the media? Hmmm? At any rate, the script is written. They start filming on Monday. If you haven’t noticed, Castle on TNT marathon starting 10:00 EDT tomorrow.

I liked your post Nelmar. A question for some one. Is Andrews/Kate’s idea of a professional woman simply a modern version of a 50’s man with all the stunted emotional baggage that winds up a semi-alcoholic living along in an apartment with no relationship with his ex-wife and kids. Being married to a professional woman and having us both learn how to relate and fit in different extremely demanding careers and at the same time have fun and enjoy each other I would hope the answer is no.
In the first part of season 5 you could see by looks and expression that Beckett loved and appreciated Castle. Then there was that dramatic switch in the last 3 episodes. In fiction regardless of overall plot the characters have to relate in an authentic believable way or the show (TV, movies, books) doesn’t hold together. In Castle more than other shows this was true up until the end. In previous episodes Beckett’s lies (having to work, but really going away with Demming) were embarrassment type lies. We aren’t really in a relationship so how do I tell him I have previous plans without hurting his feeling? And OK she paid for it when he went away with his ex-wife.
The last 3 episodes she demeaned him and lied to him, wow what a great way to encourage a proposal that leads to a lasting life together. If the writers believe that no wonder the divorce rate is so high.
The video game bothers me in that two people with different schedules can not have one person show up in the middle of some thing the other is doing and expect them to immediately jump into bed with them. Especially if a third person is involved. I know if Castle had come home while Beckett was doing some thing and wanted her to drop it and jump into bed with him. We would hear about all the uncaring men who just want sex even if the woman is not in the mood. Not that spontaneous unplanned sex isn’t great but lets be a little real.
And is there a guy in the world who when leading his woman into the bed room for sex would hear “Where are we going” as a request to stop and have a conversation about their relationship? For that matter how many women would believe that was the right time for the conversation. “We need to talk”?

Now calm down. Penny Johnson Jerald was tweeting about a costume fitting today. Clearly there will be action at the precinct. Stana’s musings not withstanding, Andrew has already dropped that Castle and Beckett will have a couple of juicy complications in their relationship this season. In order for that to happen, there has to be a relationship. Stana may also have just been pulling Will Keck’s chain. She seems to get a kick out of pulling people’s chains. Andrew and Terri have been married for twenty years and she has a career and kids. If Stana doesn’t understand how that works, they do. Actually I think Stana understands just fine. She comes from a big, very interesting family. It really doesn’t matter, though. She is not in the writers’ room. Speaking of writing, no one except Nelmar has added to my story. If no one wants to, I’ll finish it. I can’t leave Castle like that.

That and Stana has also said Beckett and Castle need to get over it and make tons of Castle babies. Her comments are all over the place… I am certain she likes the controversy she stirs up.
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P.S. if she is so into the “strong independent woman having an important job” .. Then why does she often play at acting like the sex kitten in her interviews?

Just a case of poor writing. It is difficult to believe that the same writers wrote the last three episodes, wrote other episodes.
The first thing Marlowe needs to do is require all of the writers to view prior episodes to see the traits of the characters.

Most of all, Andrew Marlowe needs to view prior episodes. I don’t know, perhaps he is afflicted with a disease that destroys his memory.

As usual Ralph your comments are right on. However, I have trouble with the one about Andrew and Stana. The last 3 episodes damage her image rather then building it up. Actors don’t get better parts (shows) unless they are popular with the audience. There are some who do succeed who are just fantastic actors I don’t think Stana falls in to the great actor success story, so she has to go for the well liked by her audience role to continue to be more successful. The writers seem to be tearing her down and not building her up. So unless we have some dramatic turn in the story I don’t see this enhancing her career. And if Andrew thinks a another boyfriend (girlfriend) for Beckett while Castle follows her around is a juicy complication I am gone. Maybe King & Maxwell might be an alternative.

This (stana interview) is pretty much what one expects from tv/movie star people,the progressive mind set is the norm from these people-traditional values like dating than marriage is out dated, yet most of our parents raised us in that traditional family setting,yet to the modern hip generation its outdated even,as society is breaking down all around us.Just do what ever you want,use people throw them away lie to them,but on top of that NEVER NEVER sacrifice what you want for your partner,why should i,because after all “its not about us, but Me”!

It has to be if you really love the series. Some think that standing up and taking the nonsense that Marlowe is conjuring is a ‘real’ fan. A ‘real’ fan is one who believes the show was at its best before the last arc, which Andrew Marlowe screwed to the wall. Those who are blind, await Andrew’s solution

Don’t we have to hope Andrew fixes the problems? After all 4.5 years an interesting if some times frustrating show. Last 3 episodes a totally different show that should be cancelled. I can only hope he and his writers (wife?) fix the problem in some BELIEVABLE way. Not sure I see the way out for Beckett with out further putting down Castle.

That also bothers me, Rick. It is hard for Marlowe to get out of the corner into which he has painted himself, without more unbelievable stuff than he has already created. I always thought that it would be neat to talk to Nathan and Stana, but Marlowe is the one that needs the talk.

HI Dory, welcome to this feed! It takes time to read of all these postings, if you just started it, but if you do it on a daily basis it takes just a few minutes. I am sure you must be reading them for a while now, because this feed started on June 11, it is impossible for someone to just have found it. You need to be there since the beginning of it, and then save it on a desk top, or folder, or favorites etc… and refresh it on a daily basis, so I think you have done it, cause I can’t see you just finding it from nowhere… your posting was from yesterday and this feed is from JUne 11. Nevertheless, when you start writing you will see that it doesn’t take too much of your time. It is comical sometimes, one can say, but after all we all love the series and want it to go the right way, the right direction so we can keep enjoying it, and discuss eps with each other, we, kind of, develop a friendship here, if we can respect each other, that’s how I see it. I had been reading these postings for weeks beore i finally became brave and decided to post, I have been doing it for a few months now. So welcome, you will find time, if you want to do so, of course. By the way Sally, do you have any more spoilers from the tweeters you follow? Just read some of your postings from the end of June that I had missed. Also I watched some of castle marathon on TNT, I had to go out on the 4th but still able to watch some of the eps. thanks for letting us know about it.

Nelmar Thx for your critique. Watching the reruns has been a little frustrating as there are no time captions and I never know where we are. I asked when the Ellie Monroe ep was on and got no reply. I realize thanks to you that I’m a little out of my element on this post. I say this with no rancor. I feel you meant it in an informative way. Watching reruns is kind of hit and miss. I do run a business so I miss the eps that are on before 6pm. I will try to find a more organized way to view and stay off this post. Maybe some day I will catch up. I love the show Beckett and Castle are wonderful looking people and face sexuality drips from the show. Also when he reacts to her suggestive comments I find it laugh out loud funny. Keep posting I’ll look for your updates.

Dory, very quickly here, I need to leave the house soon, but i just wanted you to know, that there was no critique about your post, just information how you should be brave like I and decided starting doing it. Sally is always well informed and she passes on to us many tweeters from the cast, etc… My family and I have been watching Castle since the very first eps.in 2009 and just love it. I started to watch reruns not just for the fun, but because one really misses a lot if you don’t watch more than once. So check on line TNT, they have recently restarted reruns, season 1 eps 1, yes they skip some but not enough that will make you feel like you missed the continuation of the show. A hint for you if you need, just go on line to ” list of castle episodes”, you will have all eps listed in sequence, then see if you can record when the reruns start again on TNT, they pretty much keep the sequence, as I said, so you will be able to see which ones you have missed and then watch them on line, I know that will take time now since you haven’t watched all of them, but you are welcome to ask questions here, if I know the answer I will let you know, but Sally is very good, and many other ones, so don’t feel uncomfortable to post, if someone says something you do not like just do not reply, respect everyone’s opinion and deliver yours. TNT has probably restarted the reruns 3 or 4 times, so they will keep doing it, I think, because, if they have an audience so why not. I did not see any of your postings before. Also there as DVDs out there but i don’t know if you want to invest your money on it, season 5 which was the last one, is not on TNT yet, unfortunately, so the last 3 episodes of that season did not please the fans, so that’s why there are so many postings here and comments, complaints and much more about them. Welcome to the Castle Fan TVline thread.

Nelmar earlier I posted a reply to your reply to me somehow it didn,t take must have hit wrong button. Always in a hurry. I used the wrong word critique was inaccurate. You definately were trying to help. Some other fans joined in with suggestions also. Don’t want to take too long on this weekend day but I do have a personal question. Are Stana and Nathan married or committed to someone in real life . I,ve read not to each other. If you know.

heres a suggestion for you. go to iTunes. go to tv shows at the top click on that then on the right scroll down till u find ABC click on that then scroll down till u find Castle click on that there u can d/l all the seasons watch them all then ull be all caught up its just that simple. either that or go buy the seasons on amazon.com its might even be cheaper than iTunes.

OH NO. Nelmar I did not think you were criticizing me. I used the wrong word. Should have beem comment. You and the other fans are really going out of your way to help me. In the future I will be very comfortable in asking questions. Enjoy the rest of the weekend

There were some more snippets of casting posted, but nothing that gives any clues – except for an Eastern European couple. That could play into either a spy plot or a case for Beckett -or both. They have been working on commentary and bloopers for the season 5 DVD out Sept 10. I think the most interesting thing is that Nerd Machine will be doing live streaming from Petco Park in two weeks at their activities during the Comicon in San Diego. Nathan is scheduled, but they haven’t said when yet. If I had to guess, I’d say Sunday since his shooting for Castle occasionally bleeds into Saturday and has messed him up at Comicon before. It will be on the Nerd Machine channel on youtube. I’ll keep an eye out for the schedule. If we miss it, those sessions always go up youtube anyway. I don’t know if they’ll charge for the stream. The whole event is for Operation Smile, a very worthwhile cause. If no one else pitches in, I think I’d like to finish the story pretty soon. If Martha and Castle Daddy ever actually acknowledge each other – and it might be safer if they don’t, I think she should know him as Alex. That would give us good justification for Rick’s original middle name. That is a nod to an earlier season. My guess is that any leaks once filming starts will be deliberate misdirection or at least very cryptic. They’ll want as many people as possible tuning in for the premier. I am going to try really hard to stay away from spoiler footage. I saw way too much before Still and I really regretted it. I really want to be surprised.

Me too, I saw on youtube some of Still and kind of spoiled it for me. Is Nathan going to be at comic con San Diego this month for sure, Sally? My daughter has tickets for all days this year, she will be very happy if Nathan is there.. Last time he was there the day she did not go, also Stana was at Anaheim convention center a Friday but my daughter could just go on Saturday so she missed again. Hope this time she will get to see Nathan. We are a family who loves Nathan!!!!

As far as I know, Nathan is not scheduled for Comicon this year, only for Nerd Machine which is at Petco Park. Tickets for that are available on the Nerd Machine site. I think they are $22. Nothing is ever 100% Nathan has run into scheduling snafus before and there is always the possibility of illness. However, Nathan has done Nerd Machine the last couple of years and really seems devoted to the cause. I’m sure if he can possibly make it, he will. There is no Castle Panel at Comicon and from what I’ve seen, the Firefly event it is more film oriented. I hope your daughter has fun and if she can make it to the park, good luck to her. Comicon has been posting their schedules this week, so she should be able to make her plans. Who knows? There may be a happy surprise.

Just remembered, the Firefly thing at Comicon is supposed to be a Dr. Horrible Sing Along. I know I love singing along with Felicia Day, especially in A Man’s Gotta Do What A Man’s Gotta Do. It is the closest thing to singing a duet with Nathan. At any rate, if your daughter is inclined towards singing, it should be fun.

As of today, Nathan’s appearance is still to be assigned a time, but he is still on the Nerd Machine list. There were a bunch of spoilers today, important ones. I don’t want to spill if some people don’t want to hear them. I will say this. Lisa Edelstein (Cuddy from House) will be playing Rachel McCord but not in the way we thought. It should be good. Some of us will be really happy. I am. Some of us will not. I really think that things will go in a good and interesting direction. I really hope that those who are not happy will hang in. I really think that you will eventually be happy.

Welcome! I am probably the old curmudgeon around here. I probably can realistically claim that title since I am one month away from 73. I love my Castle but the last three episodes have left me frustrated. Just disregard anything you consider offensive:-))).

Ralph 73 is the new 37. But really not old at all. I would define a curmudgeon as my Grandpa who passed at 95 and fought the whole way. I have read a LOT of your posts and they are great. One question about the personal live of Stana and Nathan are they married or committed to anyone in real life. I know not to each other.

As far as I know they are both single. Of course, Stana is so private that no one knows if she is even seriously dating anyone. There are others on this board who are more knowledgeable about their personal lives.

AM has a way of twisting things around as we all know. He’s been doing this since season 1 ep 1 and its not going to be any different in this next season. Mark my word before season 6 ep 1 is over this mess is going to be fixed and everyone is going to be very happy. There is going to be an OMG moment that no one is expecting!

Thanks Sally for all the hints. My daughter probably will soon start writing down her daily plan for the convention, she goes there for many years, but this is first time she will stay for all the days. I will tell her about Nathan’s activity. She probably already knows it, because young people are well informed. You are very kind and helpful, I am enjoying talking or better, writing here in this thread, I was very concerned about it at the beginning like Dory, I would read the postings, I would laugh and have opinion of my own, then I talked to my husband who encouraged me to do so, now I tell him what is going on here, he likes to know I am happy talking to all of you. So now for you Dory, keep writing here, we will help you to get to where u need to get. Answering your question about Stana and Nathan, I believe they are single, i don’t think there is anything going on between them, but we never know, Sally must know more about it, she follows him on tweeter. I don’t use tweeter :( So Sally, what do you know about Stana and Nathan personal lives?

You are so right. I sa a bio of each of them that was so confusing. I do believe that some of these sites are BIG FAT LIARS. There will always be rumors. My Dad told me as a child Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. I will respect their privacy. In the long run it doesn’t matter. In order to get more from the show, I need to catch up and now I know where to go with questions and updates. THX I enjoyed this. Will be back