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Just an update. Hit a PR again on BBBP. Weight is still 164-170lbs. fuawking bawking is hard as hell.

pics attached from tonight. no pump

dude. there are huge differences from october. i am sure most people have already told you that your gains are limited. you dont have a huge frame to build on.

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Originally Posted by dwass325

Take the calories higher and work your shoulders harder. The width from shoulder work will make you wider and give a strong visual effect of size.

he can work his shoulders from here to eternity and eat like a freakin horse and he isnt going to gain much more muscle unless he is doping. not to be rude to you at all. but he needs to hear realistic feedback.

dude. there are huge differences from october. i am sure most people have already told you that your gains are limited. you dont have a huge frame to build on.

he can work his shoulders from here to eternity and eat like a freakin horse and he isnt going to gain much more muscle unless he is doping. not to be rude to you at all. but he needs to hear realistic feedback.

this is all my opinion of course.

Did you even read what I wrote?

I said the shoulders would make a big difference, as in 10% more muscle in his shoulders would be more impactful visually than 10% more in another muscle group.

I didn't tell him he's the next Mr. O.

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I don't see what is ridiculous by robbing with a sword.A sword in one od the most lethal wepon !!!

he can work his shoulders from here to eternity and eat like a freakin horse and he isnt going to gain much more muscle unless he is doping. not to be rude to you at all. but he needs to hear realistic feedback.

Keep up the good work, as you know, it takes time to build mass, especially for smaller framed guys, but that doesn't mean you can't get to a solid size. Keep pushing and you'll be really surprised at your size two years from now.

If you're going for aesthetics, you can hit some dumbbell lateral raises/front raises etc, form is critical. Will develop your shoulders giving you a much more angular/tapered look. Shrugs in the squat rack with the bar help trap development, just prepare to be sore for 3-5 days. Forget the 45lb shrugs, its a short ROM exercise, You can go heavy. I started with 135 to asses tolerance, then worked my way up to 405 now for reps. Rep it out till you can't anymore.

I'm 6'3 195, I feel your pain about the hardgaining.

Not sure if it's been posted but make sure you're hitting your big three

Squat, Bench, Deadlift.

Again, not sure if it's been posted, I didn't have time to read through all the replies but from the pics you're most def on the right track.

check out bodybuilding.com forums and look up some of their lifting programs, my bench shot up when I added deadlifts to my routine.

I have been taking Muscle Pharm- Assualt as a pre workout and I have seen really good results with it. You guys should try it out. You take it 30 min before a workout and it gets me really pumped up and focused!

Assault is honestly O.K.

Nothing wrong with it, nothing special either in my opinion.

I've noticed that Pre-Workouts are a very personal thing. What is fantastic for one, might be a turn off to others.

I personally love workouts that get me "in the zone" and for that I love DS Craze. Check it out on bodybuilding forums and read up the reviews on each of the pre-workouts so you can find the one that works for YOU. Not me

Craze doesn't give me a body pump the way Jack3d does, best explanation I've heard is that it feels like adderall. (Grape Craze by the way)

You walk in the gym 30-45 minutes later feel fu**ing righteous.

I literally stayed in the gym for 1.5 hours just pounding out set after set after set, I didn't even realize how in the zone I was. Then I got home and typed out 12 pages for my Psych final paper like it was a breeze. Basically this ish feels like NZT from Limitless. Had more than one person say the same thing. I haven't coughed up liquified spleen juice either, or bled from my eyes so far so good.

Don't take Craze if you're looking for a pre that will give you pumps/aggression/tingles, it's not that kind of pre.

Jack3d gave me great pumps, good endurance, decent focus, overall solid product. Has beta-alanine, I personally don't mind the tingles, other people hate them so be careful. Also has the 1,3 DMAA in it, no it's not banned, and no they don't have any intentions of ceasing production.

D-Stunner I'm having a hard time giving this one away, absolutely no redeeming qualities that I can find. No focus, no energy, strangely aggressive, and it makes me sweat. Has 1,3 DMAA, Beta-Alanine.

CLIFFS for *******s who say TLR

DS Craze is the best Pre I've tried when It comes to mental mood/focus/euphoria/motivation. $30 for 45 servings, 1 scoop is more than enough for stim tolerant people as well.