While I am sure in most circumstances 2mg is a very small dose, even for a beginner, there are those out there who get high off like a few panadeine fortes and shit. 2mg is a real low dose for anyone with much opioid experience but I don't think you can say it wouldn't be good enough for some people.

Seems theres a liuttle bit of this getting around, I wonder if the little bit of publicity OC has gotten has lead to a slight trend towards more prescriptions of dilaudid.

Sust man 16mg IV would make me barely conxius and my tolerance up there. 64mg Jurni does something but not as much as 10mg IV even 128mg jurni comes close if cut into 1/4. I once gave 1mg IV to an opiate naive person, the nex two hours were over the toilet bowl falling asleep (well there were two of them.)

Btw I use liquid that has come from sealed vials. Anyone thinking of IVing Jurnista at least follow the concerta guide. Sust lol you got fuck all from snorting.those jurnis apart from a nose bleed you told me lol? These are not like oxy they are fucking hard cunts I believe the core ismade with a cement style compound that's why the cunts can last ages.

Seems theres a liuttle bit of this getting around, I wonder if the little bit of publicity OC has gotten has lead to a slight trend towards more prescriptions of dilaudid.

that might be the case in larger capitsl cities but not where i live my doctor doesn't really hesitate scripting me my oxy rather than dilaudid. i've asked for it for breakthrough pain when i trialled Jurnista (sr hydromorphone) and gave me a straight no with the explanation that oxy is a largely watched medication as it is and to keep with it.

something worth noting is my doctor has asked me to use the same pharmacy time and time again when filling out my narcotics as to avoid "getting in trouble", akin to dr shopping i guess which i think is bullshit. it shouldn't matter if you pick your script up from whichever pharmacies you choose. doctor shopping on the other hand...

Originally Posted by Sustanon

Ive plugged 32mg before with nice effects. Ive also tried racking 16mg + plugging another 16mg with great results. If ur gonna dose any other way than IV/IM then u will need a higher dose than 2-16mg otherwise u will be dissapointed. Its such a nice opie.

that's absolutely ridiculous for you to claim that - it has potential to kill someone for fuck sake!

don't anyone ever try to inject 16mg of hydromorphone (dilaudid) without any tolerance. for a comparison they give 1-2mg drips at hospital during procedures which wreck people. it's wise to start at the 1mg mark and increase in .5=1mg increments as done in a hospital setting.

sustanon you've been writing some ridiculous claims lately. please rethink before you press the enter button in the future.

I'll say it again...... Jurnista is not the same az oxycontin !!!! The XR cannot be broken easily. You would need allot of liquid and it would take at least 48 hours.

I am talking vial HM as well as HM IR. Trying to IV jurnista by giving it a quick prep is silly otherwise I would have saved $1000s in the last 8 months. It isnt feasable, Jurnista is good enough eaten at 64mg+ doses.

that might be the case in larger capitsl cities but not where i live my doctor doesn't really hesitate scripting me my oxy rather than dilaudid. i've asked for it for breakthrough pain when i trialled Jurnista (sr hydromorphone) and gave me a straight no with the explanation that oxy is a largely watched medication as it is and to keep with it.

something worth noting is my doctor has asked me to use the same pharmacy time and time again when filling out my narcotics as to avoid "getting in trouble", akin to dr shopping i guess which i think is bullshit. it shouldn't matter if you pick your script up from whichever pharmacies you choose. doctor shopping on the other hand...

that's absolutely ridiculous for you to claim that - it has potential to kill someone for fuck sake!

don't anyone ever try to inject 16mg of hydromorphone (dilaudid) without any tolerance. for a comparison they give 1-2mg drips at hospital during procedures which wreck people. it's wise to start at the 1mg mark and increase in .5=1mg increments as done in a hospital setting.

sustanon you've been writing some ridiculous claims lately. please rethink before you press the enter button in the future.

I really think u misread my post. I said if anyone is planning to do Hydromorphone any other way except IV/IM then they will need more than just 2-8mg. Learn to read carefully next time.

I understand where u are coming from although i feel that i have lots of experience with hydromorphone and i stand behind what i say because thats how it is. Gave a good friend half a 64mg and with no tolerance whatsoever he said it as nice but not that intense. What im saying is that it has a low BA when administered orally or nasally. Need atleast 4-5 or more times more, no one has ever died or anything from 16mg that was EATEN. I would never encourage anyone to take more of something if it would be dangerous.

Originally Posted by leftwing

i read it, don;t worry.

i think it's irresponsible to suggest people take those doses of a potent opiate excluding a disclaimer that you've got an above average tolerance.

an uninformed member reads that with no tolerance and takes your word for it. it could turn out disastrous.

it takes a minute to add a disclaimer. we don't want to be sending the wrong message to anyone who may be reading these posts,

does that not make sense? it certainly does to me. i don't want to hear of a bluelighter passing after taking such a dose with no previous experience

jurnista are a 72hr slow release tablet though with a time release mechanism which is extremely hard to break without the proper knowledge. it lets out miniscule amount of HM per hour over that period of time. whereas IR tabs are releasing that drug straight away and the IV route exposes 100% BA in a matter of seconds. there's a HUGE difference between 16mg HM being released into your bloodstream in comparison to 64mg release over 72 hours...

just because you have lots of experience with the drug does not mean some unknown user see's those numbers, tries it straight off the bat and won't overdoses

this is harm reduction first and foremost. not "i can take this much without any problem so you'll be fine to dose that"

are they hard like the slow release 56mg ritalin tablets, the red ones that are rock hard

yes

the L-Oros technology is used in the manufacture of these pills - Jurnista

L– OROS (tm) technology 9

To over come the drug solubility issue, Alza developed the L – OROS system where a lipid soft gel product containing drug in a dissolved state is initially manufactured and than coated with a barrier membrane, than osmotic push layer and than a semi preamble membrane, drilled with an exit orifice.

why would it be overly complicated? that's the mechanism they use. how would lower dose pills they have be less complex? they're all using the exact same release mechanism.

easier to manipulate do you mean? either way any dose is one mother fucker to crush if you try that route.

It's viewing the pill from above...
it's like trying to find the right floor of a building with a birds eye view...

Please would you read my fucking extraction guide!?!?!?
it's only a page back in this thread

From a side angle its easy too see theres 2 layers, one is the black sponge or 'osmotic push layer' its easy enough to remove but i'll get to that later.

the outer shell is piss easy to remove all you need is a razor, cut it open and peel off the clear stuff.

now you cut it in half and discard the black bit, it has no drugs anyway but feel free to eat it (bleh)

The white drug half hardly even needs crushing you throw it into a ml of water and give it a few minutes and it'll dissolve/gel.
The most you should do with it is break it into smaller portions.

the more water you use the less drug the gel can hold, now you could either give it some time to degrade the gel further, releasing more of the drug

OR

filter it via a pressurised filter apparatus AKA: syringe with cotton that'll create a thickened watery solution which is technically injectable.. although i recommend micron filtering it before IVing.

So please, stop talking about how difficult and complicated it is and rate my method

I think you guys are on the wrong forum. This is about HARM REDUCTION, not getting totally blasted.
I wouldn't suggest that anyone inject these kind of Extended Release pills, as they are many times more dangerous than an IR formulation (and all pills are more dangerous to IV than drugs made for injection)

Furthermore, you guys are just being fucking assholes and contrary for no particular reason. No one is forcing you to stay at BL, and it sounds like you would be more comfortable on a forum that isn't focused on safety or harm reduction.

filter it via a pressurised filter apparatus AKA: syringe with cotton that'll create a thickened watery solution which is technically injectable.. although i recommend micron filtering it before IVing.

terrible idea unless you want to clog artieries, vessels, etc...unless you like injecting a viscous solution in your veins to proper fuck them.

Either that picture makes it look overly complicated or the lower mg jurnistas are not as complex.