He featured in the RPG-like campaign about the founding of Durotar that was part of TFT didn't he? With the spirit wyverns and the such. I'm not Rokhan, he is the cool troll they dumped in the Dragon Wastes. Then again, when looking how Chen and Vol'Jin are supposed to be buddies one almost gets the feeling Blizz is attributing actions of Rokhan to Vol'Jin.

By the way, what did Thrall do for the first time? Initially he did the RFC quests and the Ony quests, which on Horde side were less significant than the RFC quests. Then, in TBC he gets the one big thing in Nagrand where he runs in on wolfback, talks with his grandma and begins the build up for the current tier raid. In WotLK he just comes in for the cinematics, in which he isn't actually needed at all (heck, most WotLK cinematics could have been left out without any damage to the story). Cata was his time in the spotlight but by then he wasn't Warchief.

I just hope Trassk's blind hatred doesnt kill vol'jin like it killed Garrosh, for the crime of not being Thrall.

You mean like the blind fanboyism people had for Garrosh when they couldn't acknowledge all the bad shit he was doing? Yeah, those guys who where shocked then *gasp* garrosh turned out to BE THE BAD GUY.

Vol'jin isn't this, I know he's a good guy, but that doesn't mean whats been done is anything positive to it. Fucking up the hordes story, which has been happening throughout mists, and ending with this gobshite conclusion, just for shock value, isn't something that can be ignored.

The warchief makes sense to be a non-orc warchief, the reason Thrall chose to not become warchief, is a good one. Vol'jin is a nice change for the leadership. Orcs have gone in a more interesting direction, where the majority of their heroes are now gone. Thrall leading the orcs makes sense to me, had Thrall been warchief after Garrosh I would have quitted most likely, due to a bad story direction (Thrall has proven before that he can't keep the forsaken in check before an emergency (see post-wrathgate, the orc guards were added pre-wrathgate) and his choice of Garrosh proved to be quite catastrophic). Vol'jin homever I feel, can probably keep the horde in check, (Thrall can most likely keep the orcs in check aside Thrall didn't handle the "Anti-kor'kron/garrosh" thing, vol'jin homever did. It's a better fit for a non-orc to be warchief than an orc...

Still ignoring the pre-cata event stuff and the Troll starting area, aren't we.
Is there even still a reason to take your words seriously Trassk?

I'm sorry, does defending the Valley of Spirits, Reclaiming some Isles that were stolen YEARS go, Snapping back to a superior and killing a Sea Witch that should've been dealt with Years ago seriously count as notable events? Does that compare in any way shape or form to what people like Thrall and Saurfang have done over the years? Nope, it doesn't.

Damn Traask, I've watched you go from being disappointed in this outcome to flat out blazing angry. All I got to say is, keep it up. We know Blizz is susceptible to player outcry, just look at the Allys, they whined for years and years to the point that Blizz finally had to throw them a bone. We get loud enough and Vol'jin might not be Warchief for long.

By the way, what did Thrall do for the first time? Initially he did the RFC quests and the Ony quests, which on Horde side were less significant than the RFC quests. Then, in TBC he gets the one big thing in Nagrand where he runs in on wolfback, talks with his grandma and begins the build up for the current tier raid. In WotLK he just comes in for the cinematics, in which he isn't actually needed at all (heck, most WotLK cinematics could have been left out without any damage to the story). Cata was his time in the spotlight but by then he wasn't Warchief.

Well, let's see, Thrall:
-Freed the Orcish people from the internment camps
-Reestablished the connection between the Orcs and the Elements, being one of the first "new" Orc Shamans in years
-Was Blackmoore's Best Fighter
-Recieved Warchief from Orgrim Doomhammer
-Founded the "New" Horde
-Promoted peace between the Horde and Alliance
-Brought many races into the New Horde
-Fought in the Third War
-Helped Sylvanas Reclaim Undercity

Damn Traask, I've watched you go from being disappointed in this outcome to flat out blazing angry. All I got to say is, keep it up. We know Blizz is susceptible to player outcry, just look at the Allys, they whined for years and years to the point that Blizz finally had to throw them a bone. We get loud enough and Vol'jin might not be Warchief for long.

It worked for the people who disliked Garrosh, it'll work for those of us who dislike Vol'jin, MMO-Champion Rebellion, incoming?

Well, let's see, Thrall:
-Freed the Orcish people from the internment camps
-Reestablished the connection between the Orcs and the Elements, being one of the first "new" Orc Shamans in years
-Was Blackmoore's Best Fighter
-Recieved Warchief from Orgrim Doomhammer
-Founded the "New" Horde
-Promoted peace between the Horde and Alliance
-Brought many races into the New Horde
-Fought in the Third War
-Helped Sylvanas Reclaim Undercity

Just a few examples.

Not to mention:

- Led his people across the sea to Kalimdor
- Saved the Tauren from genocide
- Gave the Darkspear a home after theirs was destroyed
- Founded Orgrimmar

I syppose Traask is always this whiny? Good lord. So many subjective opinions and flaming. Why is this allowed? Then again, it's the vocal minority of the MMO-Champ user base. I guess it's expected.

And vocal minority is proven true by this poll. Anyone who states that "most voters have invalid opinions. This is the reality of the situation" is just a pretentious, obnoxious prick (not aimed at Trassk unless he said that). God damn, people are stupid sometimes when things don't go their way.

I'm sorry, does defending the Valley of Spirits, Reclaiming some Isles that were stolen YEARS go, Snapping back to a superior and killing a Sea Witch that should've been dealt with Years ago seriously count as notable events? Does that compare in any way shape or form to what people like Thrall and Saurfang have done over the years? Nope, it doesn't.

heres the thing, Thrall helped the trolls survive when he rescued them. and when vol'jin made the rebellion Thrall joined him in it, he even rescued the darkspear from the kor'kohn before vol'jin even returned.

Now, after the rebellion, after vol'jin has commanded forces to attack orgrimmar, kill countless orcs, and take command of the horde, does vol'jin intend to help the orcs get on there feet, recover from this, after all he did to kill so many orcs.

If there was any care left in the story in regards to orcs, you would have orcs now saying how vol'jin is an orc killer, and why should they trust him after so much orc blood was spilled because of his actions, and vol'jin having to prove himself to the orcs for that reason.
Like I say, Thrall proved himself in coming to the orcs aid when it counted.

You know what else I thought thought.. as warchief, Vol'jin will be in command of all the horde, but he will also have to deal with everything within the horde, all factions, he will have to deal with blood elf problems, tauren problems, forsaken problems, goblin problems, and the orcs now, as well as his own people.
Do you really think vol'jin has the mantle to be able to handle all that?

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Originally Posted by Darkhallows

I syppose Traask is always this whiny? Good lord. So many subjective opinions and flaming. Why is this allowed? Then again, it's the vocal minority of the MMO-Champ user base. I guess it's expected.

And vocal minority is proven true by this poll. Anyone who states that "most voters have invalid opinions. This is the reality of the situation" is just a pretentious, obnoxious prick (not aimed at Trassk unless he said that). God damn, people are stupid sometimes when things don't go their way.

so because you disagree with what we're saying and shouting about it, that means your right and we're wrong?

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Originally Posted by tinyninja

Vol'jin isn't nearly as unpopular as Garrosh, and most of the people who 'hate' that he's warchief now will get over it in a few weeks when they realize how little it actually changes.

you can't make that assumption until blizzard actually does something to show it. We are basing what we're saying on whats happening right now.

I just commented on some, the rest I agree with (not that there is anything to agree with as it's all in the lore)

Originally Posted by Wildberry

Well, let's see, Thrall:
-Freed the Orcish people from the internment camps
-Reestablished the connection between the Orcs and the Elements, being one of the first "new" Orc Shamans in years
-Was Blackmoore's Best Fighter Irrelevant, who cares if he was Gladiator of the month?
-Recieved Warchief from Orgrim Doomhammer Irrelevant. Vol'Jin got his title from all Horde leaders so I don't see how this matters, unless you are a Doomhammer groupie
-Founded the "New" Horde Like I said before, it was more like Old Horde 2.0, Orc and their funny friends
-Promoted peace between the Horde and Alliance So did Vol'Jin
-Brought many races into the New Horde
-Fought in the Third War No idea really why Blizz left Vol'Jin at home here, but it is what happened
-Helped Sylvanas Reclaim Undercity Wasn't Vol'Jin the one directing the Horde artillery? Wasn't such a fancy role, sure, but he was there

Just a few examples.

Do notice though that, by design, Thrall was the focal point of the Horde perspective in both WC3 and WoW (lore wise, not in game) and Vol'Jin was originally designed as a supporting character for Thrall. It isn't strange they need to build him up now, if anything blame Blizz for not knowing Vol'Jin would eventually be made Warchief at the time they were making WC3.

It was an obvious choice since Vol'jin has been part of the Horde since it existed.
True, I was hoping for Sylvannas or someone else to make the story way more interesting, yet I believe Vol'jin was the right choice.

oh the event where vol'jin waited 6 years to do anything about well his people were mind slaves on there island, yeah, that event.

I mean, if we're using the game's timeline to discredit a character, we can do the same for mr. go'el with how he let the Horde starve and Alliance encroach deeper into the Barrens under his leadership.

A lot of the game's timeline is up in there air. It's much more likely that Blizzard just flat out didn't care/didn't have time to work on Vol'jin during that period, and less so that he actually didn't do anything for 6 years.

Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfang

"I am he who watches they. I am the fist of retribution. That which does quell the recalcitrant. Dare you defy the Warchief? Dare you face my merciless judgement?"