<quoted text>The success of the American economy is built on a number of factors. I wouldnt put whichever religion is the main one being followed at the top of that list. It seems to me that Americans follow a whole number of religions and within Christianity there are 000s of sects. So you cannot claim that the success of America is down to one religious faction. I think it more likely that it is due to hard work, including the hard work of immigrants inc Mexicans ;), and by having an abundance of natural resources.

Why does a "one-true" religion require so many excuses?

South American countries also have an abundance of natural resources. For example, Mexico exports huge amounts of oil to the USA.

In fact, the differences in societies can be seen worldwide, not just in the Americas.

The success of the American economy -- as well as the emerging success of formerly Catholic-majority societies -- have certain things in common. Women's rights is shown to be a major factor.

Bottom line -- the supposed "ONLY TRUE" church was against most of America's Reformation ideals for well over a century. While Protestant/deist societies flourished, traditional Catholic societies remained totalitarian backwaters.

How else can we judge a religion? How do we judge Islam for example?

One real-world, reality-based way is to look at and judge the fruits of that religion.

You willingly choose to live with the fruits of Reformation ideals. I don't blame you. Just stop being a hypocrite.

If you truly believe the title of this board is correct, then walk your talk. If you are skeptical, then stay and enjoy the fruits of the anti-Catholic Reformation and the many anti-Catholic ideals.

The RCC fought democracy for over 100 years. Was Jesus behind that, or is the "one-true" claim nonsense? It can't be both ways.

<quoted text>~~~READ WHAT GOD DID FOR THE GENTILES THROUGH THE SUFFERINGS AND DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST FOR US GENTILES..Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,(by grace ye are saved;)Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.NOTE-->Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember,-->that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

please NOTE

THE ABOVE WAS NOT JUST DONE FOR A SELECT FEW..THAT CALL THEMSELVES ROMAN CATHOLICS ...

JESUS DIED FOR ALL SINNERS.IN THE WORLD

.RED AND YELLOW BLACK AN WHITE THEY ARE PRECIOUS IN HIS SIGHT

JESUS DIED OF ALL THE SINNERS IN THE WORLD

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

NOT A POPE, NOT A DENOMINATION ... BUT JESUS MUST BE LIFTED UP

Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

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Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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ATTEMPTING TO MAKE VOID ...THE ABOVE WORDS ...(OF JESUS)... THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ATTEMPTS TO CONDEMN ALL MEN THAT DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR CONJECTURE..OR BELONG TO THEIR RELIGIOUS SOCIETY.

<quoted text>Hope does not make or create reality..... If you read your scriptures Jesus promised to return before the end of the first generation. A failed prophecy....When did Jesus say his return would be? While he said no one, including himself, knew the exact time of his return.Why wouldn't Jesus know his own return date? He is suppose to be GOD! God knows all. Right?BUSTED!

The tea leaves say.... today, 2:14 p.m.

By 2:15 p.m., you will be roasting in Hell for all eternity -- because you objected to the decades-long cover-up of child sex-abuse.

Tough poopie, but don't worry. As you suffer for all eternity for standing up for the weak against the strong and powerful, just know that...

Above all I have learned from the Jesuits, and so did Lenin too as far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the [Roman] Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated... "

<quoted text>FIRST OFF IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE....There is no other scriptures in the Bible to give witness ..co-relate or cross reference with MATTHEW 16:17,18,19,IT CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE OLD OR NEW TESTAMENT.

what about Isaiah 22:22"And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."

<quoted text>Good post, and I like the logic. Oxbow will no doubt ignore the valid points you raise. He/she prefers private interpretation so that he/she can vent hatred. Oxbow sees no problem in following a newly founded cult to anything Jesus founded. I'm imagining a snake oil salesman scribbling private interpretation on the back of a fag packet. That'll do. I have added sect 42,001. Lots of lovely money (rubs hands):)

Let me see!

1).... roman catholic church currently embroiled in another VATICAN BANK MONEY LAUNDERING SCANDAL.

4) Today in most of the western world the vast majority of roman catholic don't even practice their faith. According to the bishops in america less than 1 in 4 roman catholics attends mandatory sunday mass weekly. Imagine in a large corporation that only 23% of the workers came to work when required.

The roman catholic church in the western world is flaming out. The vast majority of roman catholics today are very poor, uneducted peasants who live either below the equator or Africa/Asia.

<quoted text>The tea leaves say.... today, 2:14 p.m.By 2:15 p.m., you will be roasting in Hell for all eternity -- because you objected to the decades-long cover-up of child sex-abuse.Tough poopie, but don't worry. As you suffer for all eternity for standing up for the weak against the strong and powerful, just know that...JESUS LOVES YOUDoes it make sense now?

God created two cement tablets with 5 commandments on each. God said if anyone breaks any of these rules and does not repent, you will be sent to a fire pit called hell, where you will burn, and suffer, and scream! and be tortured, and agonize in terrible pain! for ever and ever...

<quoted text>I don't think Dan understands what he said.According to the catholic church, the Pope is suppose to be the Vicar of Christ yet does not talk to God.I thought the Holy Spirit lead the catholic church.I guess he is busy talking to the dead ; you know Mary etc.

Dan understand what he said.

I was replying to a post that directly inferred that the Pope talked to God as if He was in the room with the Pope all day long.

How can someone manage to post from Perth, Australia and Waverly, OH in the same day?strange.

It is some kind of flaw in the Topix algorithm, or perhaps has to do with internet routing, which is complex.

For example, when I post from a McDonald's, it usually says I am in Texas, I think (Houston?), even though I have not left Oklahoma, and even when I am in northeastern Oklohoma, quite q ways from the atexas border.

I wouldnt believe everything you read on the internet. Some people make up lies deliberately to discredit other points of view. The borrowing is equally as likely to have been the other way around. No one can say for sure as the evidence isnt clear.

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