I don't know enough about OsiXs, the group in the links, to endorse them outright, but I do agree with these lines;

"The only real Plan [that should be] ...set forth is to save the Planet and its People.".......And

"Don't blame others for your own failure to take action."

Then there is Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning economist, 2008

"The problem was we don't know as much about economics as we thought we did...intellectually it's interesting, personally it's terrifying." This is scarier than anything I thought I'd witness in my years as an economist."

"....what happens when the power goes out? I mean, if all back up systems fail?"

When your roof is 'still' leaking water into the the ceiling fixture, it's only a matter of time

There are no guarantees, the systemic change we need is scarey, I know....for me too. But when you consider the alternative of doing little or nothing,.... from not just an economic point of view, but from an environmental one as well

Of course, I'm going to say the 99% Conglomerate is the way to get the people on board who fit into the "too busy, selfish, ignorant, anti-socialist, etc. " category. It doesn't need to replace any other initiatives, but it will bolster them.

Can we talk about it later 'cause I'm going out now? I know that from being here, and in NYC that I am on more than one 'list,' and I already share a lot of personal info on here. I'm just not sure if I want to give out anymore

Right, I'm a sovereign, I'm Free, and the bank owns my mortgage, and even if I pay it off the state can sell my property for back taxes if I don't pay them taxes or they can simply take it with emanate domain. I don't own it except on paper yet I have to maintain it to the standards of the state and city. The state only gives me the privilege to drive my car and then only if I pay them for a tag and license every year and maintain insurance on my car. I eat only if I can pay for the food or grow my own. I am forced to use a trash service, an electric and gas monopoly that can and will charge me whatever they deem profitable and I have no alternatives. The systems in place force me to use a bank account to pay my bills with. I am limited by laws as to how I can use my land and what and where I can build on it. If I start a business I must operate within a set of rules and regulations that are prohibiting to such an extent that even the business schools suggest you become more and more legitimate as time goes on and not try to operate strictly within the rules in your start-up phase. When I die I will not care about any of it. That's when I will be truly FREE! The burden of living in America is stressful and the proof of it lies in the suicide data. It doesn't matter weather you are rich or poor.

Sure, it's real simple guys. We are free. Technology is destabilizing our economies. Have you noticed that they are unable to fix the economy dispite all the money and bullshit. It's impossible. It's also impossible to pay off the debt. What are we going to do when unemployment rises to 30, 40, 70 percent. It won't get that high because the system will collapse at about 30 to 40 percent. The means people will have to start killing each other to survive. Why do you think our government (home land security and the social security administration) is buying a billion of bullet. They know they can't fix this mess. So the bullets are to deal with us when the shit hits the fan. It's game over for our old way of living. OsiXs came up with smart idea. Why not let the technology do the work and let the people get the pay. It's so simple, democratic and correct that I wonder why didn't I think of that. "Common Sense 3.1" ( http://revolution2.osixs.org ) is the way to make it happen. Or we can fight to the death like savages. That's what all the resource wars are about in the middle east. We are fighting for the last oil. Then we will fight for food. Savage!

We don't need to pay off the debt, we need to write off the debt by passing Glass Steagall. That is, if you are talking about the debt created by speculative finance, which is the equivalent of gambling on a vast international scale.

Then we establish a public national bank, to provide money for economic development projects, creating millions of good paying jobs.

Well, if you borrowed money and actually received a tangible good or service, to just forgive that debt is not necessarily a good thing.

However, stopping the huge interest rate charges, penalties and fees is an awesome compromise since it means the debt always drops, rather than stays the same or rises because of the interest rate charges.

From what I understand of derivatives, which I believe are the vast part of the debt, most of that money was highly leveraged into existence, then lost on trades of which something like only 3% went for actual products or services.

Sure, but consumer debt is based on consumers borrowing money in exchange for a goods or service. Where they are getting screwed is that once they lost around 10 trillion dollars of assets, no effort was made to let them PAY DOWN their consumer debt with no more interest rate charges.

The RATIO of consumer debt to assets has been annihilated since 2007 and the government has basically ignored this, causing tens of millions of americans to continue to lose ground via unending interest rate charges on existing consumer debt.