There are many amazing things in this world. One of the most astonishing is that many people still appear to believe in talking snakes and asses, global floods, magical gods who live way up in the sky, virgin pregnancies, men living inside fish and dead guys waking up after 3 days.

But then people who substitute faith for thinking don't have much intellectual horsepower anyway.

Even more astonishing is that in this liberal, tolerant and purported loving world, bigoted pricks like you still exist. I don't tell you how to think, so, don't tell me what to believe. Ignorant fool.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in your statement: "I don't tell you how to think, so, don't tell me what to believe"? You are telling him how to think and what not to do. Adding the gratuitous "Ignorant fool" comment further undermines your credibility.

Continue to live in your reactionary, intolerant, unloving world where the bigoted pricks like you think they can tell the rest of us what to do and what to think because your own beliefs are so weakly held that you want to force everybody else to be just like you to reassure you that you're right.

If praying worked AT ALL, there would be at least a few Christians (or any other devout monotheistic group) walking around on magically and divinely restored legs that had previously been amputated for war, disease or public service.

I always get a kick out of you atheists lambasting people of faith. We don't care what you think of us, yet you people care enough about what we believe to constantly berate, mock, and chastise us like children mocking their parents.

Here's the deal: you believe what you want, be it sun and moon gods, nothing, junk science of man-made climate change which seems to be the latest new religion of the left, or the flying spaghetti monster. We don't care, and you sure aren't going to make us change our minds to actually believe we are just a random scientific coincidence of life on planet earth... all life for that matter.

Indeed. It's a shame clowns like that can't just let things go and get triggered into a mouth foaming head spinning tirade against someone starting with a sympathetic "Thank God..." in a post.

I also want to let bully atheists like that know we are not going to be shutting up and going away either, all 6% of them who represent the world percentage population of atheists). So typical of a loud minority.

And your fables aren't going to change my mind. Your loving god allows thousands of innocent people to be slaughtered by guns every year, yet you think a revision to a man-made document is more important than your god's commandments.

Where is there any evidence of regrowing limbs ANYWHERE in the Bible? Your reality cooked that up, not the Bible's. Further, you're a sad little person if you think you are the measuring stick by which your world is ruled. Sad and selfish.

All those fat asses in the typical American church need to read their Bible. Leviticus 3:17 — “You must never eat any fat or blood. This is a permanent law for you, and it must be observed from generation to generation, wherever you live.”

Or this one: Leviticus 19:27 — “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.”

Do you watch football or NASCAR on Sundays? Exodus 31:14-15 — “Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of Sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.”

Remember this one before you start hurling insults: Leviticus 19:16 — “You must not go about spreading slander among your people. You must not endanger the life of your neighbour.”

Do you like ribs? Leviticus 11:7-8 — “The pig has evenly split hooves but does not chew the cud, so it is unclean. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.”

Support Trump's wall? Leviticus 19:33-34 — “When a foreigner resides with you in your land, you must not oppress him. You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself.”

Leviticus 19:18 — “'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbour as yourself.”

And just for giggles: Deuteronomy 23:1 — “A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord.”

We all revere a supernatural Father. The choices are Lucifer or God. It is not astonishing that some people believe in God and some believe in Lucifer. We make our choice and hope it is the right one, because eternity is a very long time.

The Oct 2004 crash that took out a lot of the Hendricks Racing family also had a problem with a bad approach in poor weather. With racing owners and drivers having to be at tracks around the US 30+ weekends per year, flying is the only real option for them to get around. But they need to make sure their pilots have as much experience and training as their drivers, and their aircraft are as well maintained as their cars. Other race drivers killed in plane crashes are Davey Allison in 1993 and Alan Kulwicki, also in 1993.

Not to mention any sponsor commitments throughout the week in addition flying to/from race locales. Interesting to watch the NASCAR Air Force coming back from a race. Roush Racing had a 727 @ one time to get all of the various team members to/from a race

These 5 people have been very lucky to be able to escape. When you look at the video taken from a vehicle on highway 91 you see that the airframe has rolled on its lefthand side blocking the main entry door that could only be partially opened.The other exit door is on the righthand side aft of the cabin above the burning wings.If the airplane had rolled just a little bit more to the left the main entry door would have been totally blocked and the occupants would have been burned to death.A fire truck is nowhere to be seen.

There's not even a published approach to Runway 24 at 0A9 due to high terrain on the approach end. So they would have had to descend on the visual at a greater than normal glide path angle to a 4,500 ft. runway. Why do you take a mid-size business jet into that situation?

Weighing all the factors available to me (and I am the first to admit I don't know them all) for a decision to go there instead of KTRI, there are plenty of factors to fill the "minus column". Cheaper fuel is the only factor (and a lightweight factor at that) that I can find to place in the "plus column".

It's a terrain issue. Runway length (if that was the only factor to be considered) would have been adequate for the Citation Latitude. NTSB is saying the winds were calm. Runway 6 should have been the runway they chose. Due to terrain issues, a mid-size business jet has no business using runway 24 at that airport. Unstabilized approaches lead to unstable landings.

That's a gnats ass compared to ASP and there aren't really that many guys that could do a "stabilized approach" consistently into ASP. I don't see anything but hills around this dead New jet. Kinda like Life nowadays, it ain't really about the performance level until it is!

I noticed most of the flights that departed Statesville and Concord landed at TriCities. It would be interesting to know why they chose Elizabethton. It may have been poor planning or passenger request. Only time will tell.

If they really landed mid field, why? Was there some reason they couldn't go around after a bad approach? If a go-around was possible that would have avoided this schmidt storm that's coming for this flight crew. If landing was the only option at least everyone made it out safely.

Bad choice of airports. Poor flying skills. KTRI would have been my choice. I flew into Tri Cities many, many times as a commercial pilot with USAir Express. Yes, RW23 slopes down but that is always built into performance calculations. I would like to know what company owns and staffs the pilots. I doubt Dale had his own crew and airplane. That would be hard to justify financially. Maybe the Earnhardt's Empire did and this was one of their own flight department?

David Medders, not a race fan to your extent. I live just outside of Indianapolis and I do know what racing is. I like your info on the N number.

I also have about 14,000 hours with 4 civilian aircraft type ratings and military aircraft which have no type rating. I am no stranger to aviation.

I only asked the question. Did he have his own pilots and personal aircraft? If so, I would have had the absolute best training and confidence that they would have not run off the runway. So why did they? Pilot error!!!!

Now as you stated, TRI RW24 is really RW23 in airport diagrams dated 15Aug to 12Sep. Magnetic variation is always changing. The airport has to paint new numbers and approach charts need to be updated.

Who really owns and staffs his personal jet? Here is where it gets really complicated and we have to let the FAA and NTSB do their job.

Well, if you are referring to charts with that date, you must be more retired than me! If you have to ask who "dunnit", you don't have a grasp of the gross operational errors they made to burn up an airplane like that!

If you already know it's pilot error, why are you posting here and not working for the FAA and NTSB? They could both let all their other investigators go and you could just sit behind your keyboard issuing verdicts without ever having to go and investigate anything and dealing with facts that arise form an investigation. Clearly, your vast talents are wasted here.

As are yours evidently! At least the comments from the ignorant, retired 10,000 hr. ATP's or pros. in general will predate an NTSB report one or more years down the road, with essentially the same conclusion. Some accident, incident results are so obvious in nature that little analysis is required if you did this stuff for ohh, lets say an entire career. So tell us which career site you inhabit so we can tell you what an idiot you are at your job!

I agree with cirrusloon. Every time we have a crash posted to site god for bid with a celeb.. everyone steps up to “tell” everyone what the cause is.. hell even in the days on the first Max crash it happened and we’ll most of everyone was not Bang in, yet everyone spoke as if they were the ones writting the report. Sure it’s fun to speculate, humble yourself share ideas, but stop “telling” us what it is, and dusting off your log to tell us your experience. We all have it, as we all have opinions none of us have investigative facts.. which will come out in the report.

No one is being told anything here. How you "hear" it is totally up to the reader. If you are upset by following this squawk, you have the option to edit or disable alerts on a particular squawk by clicking the link below the one you clicked to read the new alert. Knock yourself out and above all stay safe.

I hear things as they are written. Granted this is a medium lacking direct emotion, but one can infer what is being communicated with punctuation, grammar and ya of caps. I never said anything offended me. Ever. I do feel as if some person with no aviation knowledge would read some posts and thing it’s fact. When the facts will come out officially and while it fun to speculate, many write as if they were watching from the tower. That’s all I’m saying. I will try to stay safe, and expect you do the same.

He escaped a very serious bogie and lives to race again. The photos reveal just how lucky they are to escape a serious tragedy. I'm glad he escaped relatively well with the jangling his nerves. Aircraft can be be replaced or repaired. We humans don't have that luxury. Afterall, we are pretty fragile compared to the forces in aviation.

The Gwhiz 5000 avionics and the final report will tell the rest of the story Bill, and the prelim's always state that they may contain inaccuracies that will be corrected in the final report. The panel and avionics bay were evidently uncorrupted, thus, will reveal most of what would have been revealed by a nonexistent FDR. 9 pax seats. When the final story comes out, in a year or two, it might read Somethin about no flight plan filed with a reported ceiling at the destination, maybe ref and 20 over the fence, enough fuel for three trips and three bounces that a basic cfi would not countenance. The part that I can't comprehend is two ATPs with a combined 16,000 TT and time in the airplane and experience at this airport doin that. The ashes and the rest speak for themselves. They did it.

Here is one we discussed at length and the final report is pretty much a match for the early speculation of us morons who spoke out before the final report.

Thanks for the article on the Hawker bentwing. It does back up our early "thoughts." As far as the Earnhardt crash, I'm still not sure that excess speed was involved. Too much speed rarely results in a hard landing but certainly a long landing. Coming in steep and slow like that runway might entice a crew to do, and trying to round out a little high because of the decent rate is excessive usually sets up a big splat that could cause damage and send the aircraft out of control and basically bouncing down the runway due to lack of aerodynamic control. The overrun was due to the power of the attempted go around after the second severe bounce. Just MTCW.

WITH THE alternative runways within short flying time, plus real alternates, and his fuel status; the pilots did not have to try that approach at that time, and if someone was late for some apppointment, tough luck, but the incident ought to have been avoided. easy from the cheap seats, but look at the vfr chart and see what better runways are close by.

the aircraft is toast and the passengers and pilots were blessedly not toast. That pile off the runway barely remembles a lear jet, all burned up and twisted and tangled. Wonder what speed the pilots carried over the end of the runway?? any landing you can walk away from, however, is a good one.Glad the one and only living dale earnhardt is well. I like him

The net net of this event is Laima, the Latvian deity of "good fortune" and the name of my sailboat! A well traveled C320. Nobody else gets it.

Had the left main collapsed, as opposed to the right, the door would have likely been blocked from opening and the chain link fence slid till the left powerplant stopped it. No door blockage. The airframe integrity was such that even after all that, the door still opened! The fire started while they could and were on the way out from the only way out. Apparently the right wing had already caught fire. With a lot of fuel on board for a twenty minute flight into a short obstructed runway. It was burning in the drainage culvert! The NTSB hasn't even released the supposed video of the 2 (two) bounces somewhere on the runway. So much for my non NTSB observations.

So, siriusloon, be sure to post the final NTSB report for this accident on this site as some of the old timers have after extensive discussions a year or two before other accident reports were released. We might all be surprised how the narrative seems so oddly familiar.

And heaven forbid, some one might learn something from those old pro observations that they read about here as opposed to a final NTSB report that they never read.

If you try to force an airplane onto the ground it usually results in bouncing/porpoising. It's difficult to believe a crew qualified to operate that airplane would force it to land instead of executing a go-around.

Sure was sparkie, landed midfield 2600 feet remaining??? These pilots may find it hard to get hired in the future, that 680 is a very expensive plane. 5000'elevation1550' and reported landing midfield.

Ya, As you probably know we have had several of these overruns in business jets over the last few years. You would think that two pilots qualified to fly a Cessna latitude would know when to abort an approach that most likely was not stabilized.

Blip on a news article I saw says the NTSB has video of the entire approach, landing (both of them) and crash. It hasn't been released. It's in addition to all of the on-lookers cell phone video. That's why the NTSB made such a firm announcement of basic information regarding the crash so quickly. It will take the NTSB time to figure out the why.

I saw this on the news..the plane was obviously in very bad shape and broken apart..the news last night said he was not the pilot of the aircraft, and he was lying on the ground when rescuers arrived..glad all are ok...

Why? Would not make a bit of difference you had two idiots sitting up front in the pointy end screwing the pooch. Sit and watch runway getting shorter is not the way to fly and yes am a pilot. They were of the quality that kills people in airplanes due to there stupid actions or inactions take a pick.

I dislike blaming pilots but this one can not possibly be anything other than pilot error. (PFU). I've had plenty co-pilots who couldn't even drive the damn airplane. These juvenile button pushers have no idea what airmanship is nowadays.

The runway at KTRI/Tri-Cities is a lot better choice but it is 8000 feet long. The 0A9 (Elizabethton) runway is A/FD at 4500 ft but a NOTAM says they added 500 to get 5010 feet. There is no excuse there for a bad landing.

There was a 10,000 foot runway available at Tri-Cities airport which is closer to the Bristol raceway. If memory serves me correct the Lear 60 has a landing distance of 4250 feet. The Elizabethon, TN airport I believe is 4500 feet. I'm very glad all were safe and basically uninjured, however , I think there was some bad decision making.

Yea, but you don't know much about the media apparently, cause to their "food editor", aviation reporter everything is either a Piper Cub or a Learjet. If you understand why I typed Learjet that way, you might have a type rating in one! And until lately, one was all you needed. That airport in a Lear 24 would have been fun, in a Latitude it oughta be a no brainer!

I hear ya bentwing but it depends on what wing is on the Lear 24. The Mark II wing made it a puppy. I could easily get down and stopped in 2500' with no reverse. As you know, takeoff was no problem either. It would literally blow itself off the ground with that wing. I really miss it.

New information that the right landing gear collapsed on initial touch down and then the jet bounced twice after the collapse right gear, which makes sense with the qualifications and experience of both pilots

It's a little bit of a "chicken or the egg" type question. Did the plane bounce because the gear collapsed, or did the gear collapse because the landing was so hard that it also caused the bounce(s)? I heard what you're saying on the news too, but they played all of about a 2 second soundbite from a former investigator, and I have very little faith in the media to trust that their soundbite accurately captured the full intended message of that man's statement. Thankfully, rather than us all coming up with our own conclusions online, we will eventually get a detailed NTSB report that will tell us what actually did (or did not) cause the accident.