2. we have freedom of speech in this country, just as people have the freedom to express their displeasure with others and conservatives on a Mac political forum can whine about people whining about a cartoon.

Let's set aside any perceived racial overtones for a second. Tell me what the very tragic and traumatic incident involving the chimpanzee has to do with the stim? Even without any racial innuendo, the cartoon couldn't have been in poorer taste. Freedom of speech is not an excuse for insensitivity and callousness.

It's not that coherent, and you don't 'get it' instantly, regardless of any obtuseness, perceived whatever, bla bla bla. It's especially disappointing considering the Post's market is a pretty dumb down market. Regardless of intelligence, sophistication, whatever, successful humor is pretty simple and succinct, easily graspable. The Post isn't the New Yorker, but even with something like the New Yorker, you can never go wrong with dumbing stuff down - I don't know what the cartoonist was after, something more sophisticated, obtuse, whatever - Whatever it was, it's the wrong thing for the Post's market - It's not nearly dumbed down enough, graphically explicit enough. You do explicit for the Post, not implicit (that's way too fukking sophisticated and too taxing for their readers ).

The Post got lucky - They got a gazillion hits - However, continual success is not an accident, it's deliberate. If this cartoonist can't step up his game, he's a loser and ought to be cut (and the editor ought to be let go for incompetence, for failing to recognize loser content).

It's a sad state of affairs when even an a$$wipe rag can't even make a proper turd.

Well Bush was depicted as a monkey many many times and what about monkey boy Ballmer ?

From what I been watching on the news its seems to be 50 - 50 . Seems more whites are upset then the Blacks . Still a 100% do agree that the cartoon is in poor taste and they wonder why people even read the Washington Post to begin with .

AnywayI don't see it as racist and I made the connection with the chimp story the day before. Now if that was Bush would anyone care ? nope , but since its Obama the racist comes out to protest

Blacks have historically been depicted as "sub-human", as apes and monkeys. It's derogatory and racist and is centuries old.

Remember the video of the man at the Palin rally proudly showing off his Curious George doll with Obama written on it? Ask Bryan why he chose Curious George as his avatar on election night after Obama's win. Big surprise that Bryan would think that there's news coverage that people are upset about the Post's cartoon. <bleh>

Bush as a monkey ... seems like it was Bryan or his socks posting that. And Ballmer, well, you saw his dance didn't you?

So in case I didn't make my point, Bryan's quite the shameless hypocrite with his "race hustlers" comment.

Well for one thing I don't look at color and as for historically , well maybe ? ? here it would be more Filipinos are depicted as monkeys , rather then Blacks .

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Bush as a monkey ... seems like it was Bryan or his socks posting that

Nope there have been many cartoons with bush in a monkey suit - go look it up if you want .

There are many things going on here now , how far do you want to stifle "free speech" ? or should we just let Sharpton decide it for us ? SUre if the artist placed a "N" word label on the chimp that would be totally out of line and Sharpton would be right - in this case its a matter of where your heads at , I did not see the racism , of-course someone who is racist like Sharpton would see the cartoon in a different light.

You know when I first saw it I was thinking about the old adage of having a host of monkey's typing on a typewriter and writing a major piece of legislation. I didn't connect it with Obama.

As for what I wold feel if it were a caricature of Bush, well that would be a different things as it would be referring to Bush and look like him. This wasn't a caracature of Obama. It was an Ape. And not an ape that looked like any person of African descent. It was just an ape.

Sure I know that Apes have been used to refer to Africans but normally they have human features. This was not, IMO.

Poor taste? Sure. Racist. Well some will say that and others not but Many of the ones saying Racist, are those who are looking for such things for their own reasons.

dave

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