As Tom says; One is "sent" to a place and a time where growth is most productive to the individuated unit of consciousness. This I understand completely. But. Why is not an individuated unit of consciousness not at a place where there really are a lot of love, that seem to be more productive for the growing being. Why here? Seems very hard here. I just don't get it. If I was at a better place, in a better time, where people told me already from the beginning, from birth what to do, how to think, what life is all about, wouldn't lowering the entropy be more effective there? Why here? Earth is a heavy struggle. Help me understand.

You are part of a natural system, not a perfect system. You are not in a better place or time, you are right here and now, and must do the best with what you have.

Two reasons for no one is telling you how to think.

1. Part of the game is figuring this out mostly on your own. Your quality of being is not dependent on your intellect, the intellect is limited in lowering your entropy by itself, and it can also be a barrier in itself. Yes, when you know of your purpose not only at the intellectual level, but also the being level, it can accelerate your spiritual growth. The bridge of intellectual knowledge to being is wisdom, wisdom can only be gained with experience.2. For a society to help and support your growth, it would first need to exists. You don't get a good society first, and then better growth, you start with better growth and then society reflects that.

Forgive me, but that is a matter of perspective. If you see living here as a heavy struggle, it will be so for you, since that is how you choose to see it, that is your expectation of it.

specialis_sapientia wrote:

You don't get a good society first, and then better growth, you start with better growth and then society reflects that.

More risk, more reward. And it is worth it!

I believe this to be the equivalent of "be the change you wish to see in the world". The more people who treat this place like the Heaven on Earth it has the potential to be, the more others may start appreciating the joy and beauty and wonder of it all, rather than focusing on the scary, fear-filled, amusement park-roller coaster-fun house aspect of it all.

Forgive me, but that is a matter of perspective. If you see living here as a heavy struggle, it will be so for you, since that is how you choose to see it, that is your expectation of it.

Of course it does not need to be, but the fact is that for the vast majority, it is. Our connotation of the words "heavy struggle" might be a bit different. It can be, and mostly is a "heavy struggle" compared to consciousness choosing not to become part of any PMR. For example, choosing to be human will in the long run require some dedication to evolving ones consciousness, it's a long-time commitment. This will not doubt include many life times with elements of pain and suffering, compared to never enrolling in a PMR type reality frame. This is not bad, it's in fact good that some takes this path, instead of staying within the "comfort zone" of NPMR.

AeroLynda123 wrote:

specialis_sapientia wrote:

You don't get a good society first, and then better growth, you start with better growth and then society reflects that.

More risk, more reward. And it is worth it!

I believe this to be the equivalent of "be the change you wish to see in the world". The more people who treat this place like the Heaven on Earth it has the potential to be, the more others may start appreciating the joy and beauty and wonder of it all, rather than focusing on the scary, fear-filled, amusement park-roller coaster-fun house aspect of it all.

As Tom says; One is "sent" to a place and a time where growth is most productive to the individuated unit of consciousness. This I understand completely. But. Why is not an individuated unit of consciousness not at a place where there really are a lot of love, that seem to be more productive for the growing being. Why here? Seems very hard here. I just don't get it. If I was at a better place, in a better time, where people told me already from the beginning, from birth what to do, how to think, what life is all about, wouldn't lowering the entropy be more effective there? Why here? Earth is a heavy struggle. Help me understand.

Hi Joseph,

It does seem to be really hard sometimes doesnt it?

Maybe thats part of the point. We need to overcome the obstacles. We need to face our fears. If it was easy it wouldnt be so rare a treasure.

Unfortunately pain is a terrific motivator and experience is the best teacher.

So instead, from birth, we have people telling us all the lies that they have been told. But we have the power to choose what we will or will not believe, and we can always choose what we think

The good news is, (as Lynda suggests) it may be much simpler than you think to turn it around. Change your mind and change the world.

Forgive me, but that is a matter of perspective. If you see living here as a heavy struggle, it will be so for you, since that is how you choose to see it, that is your expectation of it.

Lynda,

life in the third world countries for many people is a heavy struggle. I would say for a majority it is a struggle and surviving day by day. HIV and AIDS in Africa, lack of basic food, lack of medical supply and medical care, minefields, where anyone can be killed, injured and lose their limbs, endless wars and hate crime against children and women, sweat shops, where children as young as 8 years old can work 10 hours shift for several pennies a day, and etc. is a part of everyday life in many countries around a globe.

Lena

_________________'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

life in the third world countries for many people is a heavy struggle. I would say for a majority it is a struggle and surviving day by day. HIV and AIDS in Africa, lack of basic food, lack of medical supply and medical care, minefields, where anyone can be killed, injured and lose their limbs, endless wars and hate crime against children and women, sweat shops, where children as young as 8 years old can work 10 hours shift for several pennies a day, and etc. is a part of everyday life in many countries around a globe.

Lena

My mother used to constantly tell me: "Nobody ever said life was easy". Well ok, fine. But she neglected to notice or point out all the joy and wonder and beauty around here. She only seemed to want to focus on the bad. She could have at least said something like, yeah, it's hard, it's tough, and sometimes, it hurts, but, oh, baby - it is SOOOOworth it!

My dad expressed a lot of childlike wonder, especially towards the end. Even though he was a physicist and an atheist, we really shared a lot of joy and giggles during the time we spent together during his last ten years.

I understand there is a lot of suffering in this world. It seems to me, if a soul like my own were offered the chance to come back to earth and have a body, with the condition or stipulation that it would be under miserable conditions like some of those you described, but it was either that or staying put on my cloud listening to the same repetitive music in a loop that Bob Monroe described, then personally, I would jump at the chance.

When I get weary of the slings and arrows of PMR, I fantasize about retreating to life on a cloud. I get water from the cloud, plain bread that rains down like manna, a deck of cards to play solitaire, a cat to keep me company, and a phone that works once in a while. Maybe some harp music in the background. That's all, my own private paradise (or hell).

Maybe that's the choice I will get in the next world: cloud life NPMR or earthly PMR. Currently, overall, I am not too enamored of PMR and don't particularly want to reincarnate here again. I'll take the slow-growth easy pattern, thank you very much, I'm an underachiever and most of the time I'd rather be bored than stressed.

Come to think of it, the last line pretty well summarizes my work life! :)

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To each his own, Jumbles. Personally I like every day to be different, and not knowing what will happen next.

Bill Hicks the dead comedian summed it up pretty well in his bit, "it's just a ride" - links have been posted here and on YouTube. If you don't like living here on planet earth with your fellow earthlings, I'd suggest you watch these few minutes of profundity.

My mother used to constantly tell me: "Nobody ever said life was easy". Well ok, fine. But she neglected to notice or point out all the joy and wonder and beauty around here. She only seemed to want to focus on the bad. She could have at least said something like, yeah, it's hard, it's tough, and sometimes, it hurts, but, oh, baby - it is SOOOOworth it!

My dad expressed a lot of childlike wonder, especially towards the end. Even though he was a physicist and an atheist, we really shared a lot of joy and giggles during the time we spent together during his last ten years.

I understand there is a lot of suffering in this world. It seems to me, if a soul like my own were offered the chance to come back to earth and have a body, with the condition or stipulation that it would be under miserable conditions like some of those you described, but it was either that or staying put on my cloud listening to the same repetitive music in a loop that Bob Monroe described, then personally, I would jump at the chance.

Lynda,

I am with you, that a positive thinking or ability to see a better side of anything and everything is more productive and brings more opportunities to our doors.

I am not sure, if PMR living can provide a precise outlook for what is going to be better or more productive to us next time around. It feels to me, that our NPMR choices before next appearance in PMR can be much different from what we are able to guess or imagine now, since our PMR perspective is intentionally limited to boost our leaning abilities and experiences.

Lena

_________________'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

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