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Steven Schwab

I really enjoy getting the scoop on these comic book urban legends. While this question is not directly related to comics it is in the ballpark and would certainly be of interest to lots of readers, myself included.

Is it true that the TV show Lost In Space was created by some CBS executives after they heard Gene Roddenberyâ€™s pitch for Star Trek and decided to rip him off and create their own outer space series without him?

Jim Morrow

I don’t remember where I heard this (it was a long time ago), but somewhere along the line I heard a story about how Frank Miller had to change the third issue of “The Dark Knight Returns” because DC had a major conniption fit about the fate of Jason Todd.

All throughout the story various characters keep commenting on “what happened to Jason,” but exactly what that means is never revealed. I read somewhere that Miller’s original plot for DKR#3 revealed that the Joker had captured Jason, sodomized him, killed him, butchered him, and mailed the pieces to Batman c/o Commissioner Gordon. Needless to say, DC said “no way in Hell.”

Brian Cronin

Robert Pincombe

Love this series! Inyour article on DC’s Red Fox being renamed, you mentioned that Alpha Flight’s Dream Queen was a lift from a British comic. I’ve heard that before. Can you tell me if it’s true and what charcter she’s taken from?

Cheers,

Robert

Brian Cronin

Robert Pincombe

That’s a fast response! I just spent several hours pouring over your articles. Thanks for taking a unique approach to such fannish pursuits. You really make the seemingly trivial details add up to fun stories that capture moments in time. I look forward to finding out about Dreamqueen and anything else you can find.

I already know the answer to this… but wasn’t there a story circulating that the comic Palookaville portrayed the life a of real New yorker cartoonist? And didn’t MIT steal the design of an Image character named Radix for a real-life super-soldier program?

Brian Cronin

Pat Nestor

Hi Brian, I was wondering if you could find any info on the following I’ve heard more than once:

The Giffen/DeMattis/Maguire mini-Series Formerly Known as The Justice League (and it’s follow up JLA:Classifed arc: I Can’t Believe It’s Not The Justice League) had tremendous sales figures and was slated to become an ongoing series, but Dan Didio’s dislike for the concept over-rode the financial success of the project and he killed it without explaination.

Any idea of the truth (or lack thereof) of this?

McBangle

I’d like to know if there’s any truth to the rumor/suspicion that, before being cancelled by DC and moving to IDW, Peter David originally planned for Fallen Angel to really be Linda Danvers (of his Supergirl comic)?

Robert McKinney

Hi. Have you heard the story that in 1972 issues of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow series from the 1970’s were stolen by mobsters in order to sell them to fans later? I read that in The Superhero Book, but it didn’t really elaborate on it.

Here’s one:
Who was the original X-Traitor in the 90’s X-books? I know it turned out to be Onlsaught/Prox f X, but I think they were originally going for someone else. They really wanted you to believe that it was Gambit but my money was always on Bishop himself, who, after being trapped in the past, had made it his mission to stop the traitor.

Incidentally, the scene of Jean making the video recording about the traitor always reminded me of a Super Friends episode where aliens visit a dead Earth and see a final transmission from Superman explaining it was all their (the SFs) fault. Anyone remember which one that was?

Robert Pincombe

I have a comic book urban legend that I haven’t been able to confirm as true yet. I’ll try to give you as much info as I can and see if maybe you can help me find out if it’s true!

The comic book Reform School Girl was based a 1948 Diversey Digest pulp of the same name. It has the unforgettable image of a beautiful blonde in red, smoking and adjusting her garters. She’s the picture of innocence lost long , long ago. Even Wertham picked this book for some special attention in his book, Seduction of the Innocent (pg. 358) The caption reads. “Comic books are supposed to be like fairy tales.” Sounds more like an aging lament for those darn “kid’s today” not having the same taste.

The book is about a young girl named Daisy and her abusive father, Frank. The infamous cover girl is Marty Collins, who was supposedly a Canadian Figure Skate and model. Her father sued the publisher for fear readers would confuse the characters with himself and his daughter. Apparently, he won the case and the first page of text was removed from future editions.

I have been looking for more about this case and Marty but cannot confirm the veracity of the story so far. I did find a picture of Marty in the Sat. Aug. 7th, 1948 issue of the Toronto Star newspaper! She is pictured in a bathing suit with Renee Kaye, having a snowball fight in the middle of summer. They were both competing in the Miss America pageant at the Chicago Railroad Fair. I assume she was actually competing to become Miss illinois since she isn’t listed as a 1948 competitor on the Miss America site. She must have lost to Viola Hutmacher.

That, at least, places her in Chicago around the time the first edition of Reform School Girls was published and Diversy, the original publisher, was based in that very city. But that’s all I’ve uncovered so far.

Ted Watson

Carlos Tron

This is not an urban legend, but I’ve always been curious about this: When Superman was relaunched in ’86, I read that John Byrne’s proposal was the winner, meaning there were OTHER proposals for the man of steel’s revamp. any chance of finding out what these were an dwho wrote them? would be interesting to see what Superman could have been like had other idea been accepted. I hope you can help with this.
Thanks, I enjoy your column alot. Keep up the good work.
Carlos Tron

Ted Watson

pedar

re this LIS dispute- I don’t mean to revive any kind of acrimony- but there is a an award winning (Writer’s Guild) book by Ed Shrifes abt the origins of the show- and possible plagiarism on the part of Irwin Allen from a Disney script in the early 60s- I haven’t read the book but it may cover the Space Family Robinson issue as well.
Yes there’s no ‘smoking gun’ that Allen stole the LIS idea from Gold Key-but I always found the resemblance of the costumes to be quite significant-.
I should hasten to add that I mean no offense to any admirers (they are legion on the internet) of Allen- I’m just pointing out some facts-

Brian Cronin

Ted Watson

I still think that Gold Key putting “Lost In Space” on SFR’s covers is about as close to a smoking gun as we need to get. No doubt somebody at Western called up Fox and said something to the effect, “We have a problem here, and if you people aren’t willing to be reasonable about it, we’ll sue,” and the studio capitulated. Note also that once the TV title popped up on the comic, LIS went from being shipwrecked on one planet to flying from one to another, as SFR had apparently done from its outset (the latter according to info provided by jrvandore above, if via his linked–in article).

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Ted Watson

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Craig

Is Joe Quesada the first Editor-in-Chief of Marvel comics to do work outside of the company (Painkiller Jane at Dynamite)? Has a DC EIC ever done so? Has an EIC ever worked for both of the Big Two at once?

Hey, I’ve got 2 for you. Both Power Girl.
1. The story is that Wally Wood started drawing PG with big “endowments” and continued to increase their size each month, to see if an editor would find out about it. This is why she’s always got to be endowed as she is now.
2. Was PG based on Jayne Mansfield?

David Wynne

First, I’ve heard that Frank Miller DKR story about Jason Todd being raped by the Joker before too- in fact I have an issue of Mighty Mites (an obscure B&W indy comic from the 80’s/possibly early 90’s that I know NOTHING about -I got it in a bargain grab bag) featuring Bate Mite that references it. I’d be very interested to know if there’s any truth in it.

Juli Duffy

I am looking for thr price of a hard back comic book of Bat Man and robin, The Case of the Laughing Sphinx, made in 1982. If anyone has any info please let me know. I also have am looking for the price of WonderWoman in Cheetah on the Prowl made in 1982, also hard back from DC Comics. Thanks for nay help.

Ted Watson

I put this to Brian in an email a few years ago, right after I found the then–version of this site. He said he found it interesting and would see what he could find out about it. Haven’t heard a word about it since (just pointing out the fact of the situation, no criticism whatsoever intended), so I decided to put it to the readership as a whole.

In 1988, ’89, and ’90, there were three TV–movie sequels to the live–action HULK show (Bill Bixby & Lou Ferrigno). The first featured a version of Marvel’s Thor and the second had a take on Daredevil. The third was initially announced to include She–Hulk, but in the event did not have an additional Marvel character. Except…a character in this film (“The Death of the Incredible Hulk”) named Jasmin had as much of a resemblance to Marvel’s Black Widow, other than the lack of the name (real or costumed ID), as the Bixby/Ferrigno Hulk did to its comic basis. She even wore a black body suit, similar to Natasha’s of the ’70s. My understanding of the comic version is that she was a Communist agent sent on assigments by someone she knew only in a costumed identity, who held the life of her husband in his hands. In the end, it turned out that he WAS her husband (again, this is my second-hand at best understanding, as I freely admit to not having read any actual comic rendition of BW’s backstory and am wide open to correction). Drop the costumed appearance from the controller and make it a code-named person she never dealt with directly, then change husband to sister, and you’ve got the situation with Jasmin in this film. Add in the fact that the titular event comes out of left field in the final reel, and this movie reeks of an eleventh hour rewrite to eliminate the Widow and include the death scene. Does ANYBODY here have any information to corroborate—or refute—this?

All the way back in #8 you talked about how kryptonite was introduced in the Superman radio show. Gerald Jones in his fantastic history of the birth of comic books “Men of Tomorrow” tells how kryptonite was created by Jerry Siegel in an unpublished story called “K-Metal from Krypton” in 1940. The idea was then adapted for the radio show only to end up back in the comics years later. (pgs 181-183 in the softcover).
The story was shelved because it would have had Supes reveal his identity to Lois and take her on as a partner. Has the story ever been published anywhere?

A possible comics urban legend: I recall reading/hearing that you could tell which class Marvel characters Stan Lee had scripted himself, as opposed to those he farmed out to his brother Larry, by whether or not they had the famous alliterative initials. Therefore Tony Stark and Don Blake were Larry’s, most of the other’s Stan’s. This may have come from the early 70s Marvel “Origins of Superheroes” (title approximate)hardcover.

More recently: there’s a debate going on at Newsarama over whether the drastic new look for Howard the Duck is a result of a settlement with Disney that forced/convinced Marvel to make Howard look less like certain… other ducks. Any truth?

I have a sort of no-legend to reveal about Ghost Rider. During my run, Marvel and Harvey Comics were going to do a crossover with Ghost Rider and Casper the friendly Ghost. The Punisher-Archie weirdling was just done. I gave them a plot and received a kill fee after the companies chickened out. But, dang, I wish that would have been published!

I got a Timely legend for ya… I heard the reason Cap changed his shield from triangular to round was to avoid problems (a lawsuit even?) with MLJ, publishers of the similarly patriotic Shield, whose costume was similar to Cap’s but with a triangular shape on the torso.

If this is true, it seems to add an ironic angle on Cap’s announced new look.

I know similar lawsuits had occured before, see the Wonderman/Superman situation.

MarkBlack

-Dave Sim has blamed Jim Shooter for the death of artist, Gene Day. How much truth to that is there? What’s the backstory?

-The League of Super Assassins were supposed to be based on the X-Men, the way the Shi’Ar Imperial Guard were based on the Legion.
The former doesn’t make much sense. I can see Silver Slasher equaling Wolverine, Neutrax standing in for Professor X, Mist Master being a rough analogue to Shadowcat, and Blok being a Colossus knoc-off, but what about Lazon and Titania?
Was it just a silly rumour that they were analogues?

-Recombatants/DNAgents crossover. Clearly an unofficial crossover. There was rumours when it came out that DNAgents fans were absolutely pissed because they thought that the ReCombatants were ripoffs, not homages to the characters. Any truth to that?

I’m not sure if this is properly a comic book UL, but here goes: REM’s “Winged Mammal Theme” (released as the B-side to “Drive,” and included on the EP “E-Bow the Letter”) contains a wordless chorus that sounds a lot like someone going ah-AAH in the same rhythm and pitch as “Bat-MAAN” from the 1960s Batman show. I’ve always wondered if it was a rejected theme for one of the 1980s-90s Batman movies, and while a few sites I’ve seen suggest this nobody’s offered any documentation. Any proof for this one?

Brian Cronin

In The Punisher monthly (1st series, I think) I hear there was some nut-job who would write in regailing the readers with his tales of real-life vigilantism. true? And if so, was it a real guy, or (as I heard) just an editorial stunt/gag?

Brian Cronin

Hey Brian, it’s really strange! the CBULR of this week doesn’t appear to me! The last one in my computer is #148! (today is 4/5/08). Every week it’s the same, I can see only the past week urban legends page. Really weird…

W

Superman’s Earth name, Clark, was chosen because it consists of Cl (Chlorine), Ar (Argon) and K (Potassium), the three elementsthat are directly above Krypton in the periodic table . I wonder if that’s true, or just a coincidence!

Phil

Jor-rel

Hi. I’m a pretty big Darkhawk fan, and I recently heard a rumor that the designs for Darkhawk were essentially ripped off from the Silverhawks. I looked at some Silverhawks photos afterwards, and the resemblance is pretty uncanny. Do you know if there is any truth to this?

Dave B

The mystery of Iron Man’s disappearing nose. Here is a comc book mth I don’t think has been addresssed: The story I recall reading is this: in the 70s, when Stan Lee was less involved with the day to day operations of Marvel, he was in the offices and saw a drawing of Iron Man, and said something along the lines of “Shouldn’t he have a nose?” Apparently, he wasn’t saying Iron Man should have an honest to God nose, but more like, his face was too flat. Well, everyone freaked out, and lo and behold, IM got a pointy nose. Then months later, Stan saw the nose and said, “Why the heck does he have that big nose?” And just as quickly, it was gone.

RingOtaku

Just a quick question. Have you ever considered doing a “manga theme” week. They are comics, just from Japan instead of US, and I know at least on the ‘net there are many urban legends and variant truths concerning series.

Here’s a legend to look into, when you have the time- is it true that the limited edition “History of the DC Universe” portfolio included a print that ended up being a promo for “Next Men,” which was published by Dark horse?

RingOtaku

another great set of columns! I admit most of these legends I never heard of but it’s interesting to see how much “truths” float out there until someone investigates. Now if only we could get you a catchy theme song.

RingOtaku

A few legends I was always curious about, all revolving around unpublished material it seems:

– Right before Todd McFarlane’s final Spider-Man issue, there was #15, an issue with fill-in art by Erik Larsen teaming Spider-Man and the Beast. But, I remember seeing another #15 solicited at the time… and mentioned in the Bullpen Bulletins… which somehow involved the Impossible Man, drawn by McFarlane. Was the issue produced but not published? I’ve always wanted to know about that one.

– Wasn’t the 1990s “Heroes for Hire” originally produced as something called “Power Works” written by Roger Stern? Do you know anything about that?

– At a Comic-Con I remember seeing a Spider-Woman cover (Jessica Drew, at that!) circa 1995 or so by Scott Kolins. Was this the series Bendis would have written, and if yes, how much of that was completed?

And then finally:

– Shortly before the “Heroes Reborn” deal was announced, there was a Wizard feature on an Avengers writers’ summit detailing their plans – one of which was to have a “Mighty Avengers” title to replace “Force Works.” Was this all a ruse to throw people off the scent of the Heroes Reborn deal, or was this something they were actually planning?

Hope I didn’t overwhelm you with the questions. Loved your book and hope for a sequel.

I was looking through an old Marvel Age from the early 90’s (a “special five-page preview of Darkhawk” was on the cover) and there’s an interview/article on Whilce Portacio and his upcoming run on X-Factor.

Complete with promotional art, including a Scott/Jean wedding, that we never actually saw published.

What is the story behind that artwork? Was it just done on spec, and never intended for the series?

On that same note – I also remember some Jim Lee images around that time that in no way resembled the final X-Men line-ups – but were they ever considered? – and keeping within the “Image” family, why didn’t Marvel ever publish the New Mutants issue with future Youngblood member Cougar, especially since the cover did appear in solicits? Was Rob just running late?

“Legend has it that if DC Comics ceases publication of the monthly Wonder Woman comic book, the rights of the character revert back to the creators estate. This would explain why DC has continued to publish this comic without fail for so many years regardless of its profitability.” link to article herehttp://onceuponageek.com/2008/09/12/wonder-woman-why-i-dont-really-care/

THW

THW

Brian, curious about something, maybe not so much a legend. When The Thing was in the West Coast Avengers in the ’80s, he did not actually join for a long time. I’m not even sure he ever actually “joined.” Anyway, it strikes me there may have been some internal political wrangling at Marvel over whether The Thing should join, or whether his “true” place lay with the FF. Anything to this thought? If you find the time or inclination, I’d be obliged. Thanks.

Drew

I realize that posting this question kind of negates the purpose of the question, but for future reference, does anyone know if there’s any way to set up e-mails notifying you of followup comments WITHOUT actually commenting on a thread? Because there are often threads where I don’t really have anything to contribute (like this one, since I e-mailed Brian my suggestions instead of posting them here) but I would love to see what other people say in the future. And if I close the tab and plan to check back later, I probably never will, so I just end up leaving lots of tabs open for a long time. (I think this one’s actually been open for several months now. Good thing Firefox has a “Restore Previous Session” option!)

RingOtaku

Here is one I haven’t seen covered yet. Maybe it’s too “well known” to be a legend. But anyways. I have read on the ‘net and have heard that the “origin” behind X-Treme X-Men was Chris Claremont was given an option by Marvel heads: Become the editor of the X-Titles or get a new title that is farther away from the shared continuity so you can do what you want with it. And he chose the book obviously. It sounds believable but at the same time as far as he’s gotten away from the 616 titles the past couple years it would be nice to know if he really did at some point since the end of his iconic run get offered a job as X-books Editor.

Mike

I only read the first 40 and will come back to read more but at least 6 of those have contradictory and perhaps even misleading insinuations. Meaning they are not false. But it’s a lot of research gone into this and I am fascinated.

tyra menendez

mutty

Marcelo

Hello, friend
I am a collector of comics in Brazil and once read on the internet that the uniform of Superman was originally black and that blue was just to make the lights and after the war to make his image more patriotic he happened to be blue . it’s true?
Thank you and congratulations for the work.

Anthony Durrant

I remember reading awhile back that the cartoonist George McManus, who drew BRINGING UP FATHER, was a participant in a fraudulent stock trading scheme. His job in the scheme was to alert the other participants to which stocks were on the rise through his strip, which he did by incorporating them into the dialogue of the characters. The persons involved in the scam then learned of the advances on the stock market through the strip, which they were able to decode through a special viewer.

Anthony Durrant

I was just wondering if material from the aborted 1990s CAPTAIN AMERICA animated series was used to create the new movie.

In other news, our computer has been shut down due to an attack from a virus called WINDOWS COMPLETE – hence the different email address above, which is my father’s. This virus, an updated version of a virus called WINDOWS PROTECTOR, poses as an advertisement for a new WINDOWS security program. In the process, it makes the users believe their computer is infected by blocking all access to their files and to the Internet. If the victim opts to purchase the program, the virus apparently steals their personal information; it took several days to get it off our computer in its original form.

Brian Cronin

Anthony Durrant

I believe I may have found Carl Pfeuffer, the artist who drew the adventures of Namor the Sub-Mariner for much of the 1940. A brief Intelius search on my part – for I refused to buy any further information from the website – revealed that a “Carl B. Pfeuffer,” age 109, was living in Chicago, Illinois. I could’ve gotten his address at the website, but as I said above, I chose not to go that far. I hope I have started you on the road to finding this forgotten artist or his grave site.

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Machine

I have been reading these the past week an thoroughly entertained….thanks. I get a real kick seeing comics I used to have and seeing there were behind the scenes things going on.

But after reading these stories about what happened, I hate editors and really really hate EIC’s. I never realized what power they have and what little power the writers have. To me an editor is someone that corrects mistakes, not dictate policies.

Anthony Durrant

Here’s a T.V. Legend for you, Steve: there was a T.V. movie that was made in the 1960s but not aired until the late 1980s or early 1990s. It had been shelved because of its controversial subject matter, but was found in a studio vault and finally aired over 20 years after it was first filmed.

Brian Cronin

butters911

Can you tell me if this is true: I heard the reason House of M came about was that people at Marvel were sick of writers making their characters mutants. It was seen as a lazy way out for writers who couldn’t come up with an interesting way for characters to get powers.

Any truth in that?

Anthony Durrant

To be fair to Steve Ditko, while his Squirrel Girl origin story was written the year it was published, he DID do the art for a story meant for the MARVEL TEAM-UP series that was only published in April of last year after being kept in an unfinished state in the Marvel Vault for years. Even then, the original text had to be dropped and the dialog simplified by the person who also completed the art itself. The text was replaced by a narration that was supposedly written by Johnny Storm, the Human Torch, prior to his death. The title of the story is “The Human Torch vs. The Incredible Hulk.”

NotU

The link ends in 370, not 372, so you get a 404 when you use it. If you change the end of the link to 372, you get a working page, but the legends you talk about don’t match what’s listed on this page.

Pete

Anthony Durrant

Years, ago, when I was attending a weekend camp known as Club Whisp, I had the privilege of listening to a Batman album that may have been released by Power Records. The record came with a comic in which the story on the record itself was detailed, and in it Batman went to Gorilla City and encountered its ruler, a weird robotic gorilla named Grodd the Super-Gorilla. In the end, Batman was able to cut this version of Grodd from the city’s power core, which was the source of his strength, and shut him down.

John King

Mexfan

Hi, I just discovered this site and I have been reading the earliest entries on the Comic Book Legends for a while, I am still way behind, but I wanted to see if you could give me information on the following rumors I’ve heard. (I hope they have not been featured before).

1.- Julio Cortazar wrote Comic Books.
2.- The Bug-Eyed Bandit and the Ten-Eyed Man were killed during Crisis on Infinite Earths because George Perez couldn’t stand working for a company that published such silly characters.
3.- The Liutenants Marvel were killed during Crisis on Infinite Earths.
4.- The first panel in Paul Dini’s Zatanna #1 was added just to get people wanting to see her in bondage happy.
5.- The cell phone surveillance made by Batman to catch the Joker on Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight was inspired by The OMAC Project comic book.

Thanks.

Anthony Durrant

I have been researching Action Force, the British equivalent of G.I JOE produced originally by the Fillitoy company. Action Force’s enemy was originally named Baron Ironblood, but when the Action Force line was bought out by Hasbro, the British writers were forced to convert Baron Ironblood into Cobra Commander and his associate Red Jackal into Destro!

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Matt K.

Hello, was browsing TV Tropes, when I came upon this entry under the She-Hulk page:

“Supposedly, She-Hulk was spawned as a direct consequence of a The Benny Hill Show clip that involved a woman getting big and green and bursting out of her clothes — She-Hulk being the response to ensure they had a copyright on the character.”

I’d be interested to know if this is true…

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