We're going to safely say that the geekhack keycap will not be included. Sorry to those who were expecting them!

That's a shame. Was there no response from mkawa, or he said no?

Does that go for the Hapster too - to be excluded?

Still, how could we resist the colour

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

So no-one else finds it weird that the Del/Ins block is a different color to the rest of the mods?

Hadn't noticed, TBH. Odd, but nice - MOAR YELLOW!!1!

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

So no-one else finds it weird that the Del/Ins block is a different color to the rest of the mods?

that's a different color?

He means that normally those keys would be the same colour as ctrl/clt/arrow keys, not teh same as the alphas.

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

We're going to safely say that the geekhack keycap will not be included. Sorry to those who were expecting them!

That's a shame. Was there no response from mkawa, or he said no?

Does that go for the Hapster too - to be excluded?

Still, how could we resist the colour

We haven't received any response from him and do not wish to push the matter any further.We chose to not include a Hapster key because after careful thought because this group buy is under our vendor forum.Techkeys is a competing vendor and we chose not to include or even request to include it out of respect. They are a great business and it is unethical of us to use a design they paid for.We only chose to host this group buy for those interested in obtaining our keycap sets for a cheaper price before our official release. We already met our MOQ but are just taking any extra preorders for this set.

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

We're going to safely say that the geekhack keycap will not be included. Sorry to those who were expecting them!

That's a shame. Was there no response from mkawa, or he said no?

Does that go for the Hapster too - to be excluded?

Still, how could we resist the colour

We haven't received any response from him and do not wish to push the matter any further.We chose to not include a Hapster key because after careful thought because this group buy is under our vendor forum.Techkeys is a competing vendor and we chose not to include or even request to include it out of respect. They are a great business and it is unethical of us to use a design they paid for.We only chose to host this group buy for those interested in obtaining our keycap sets for a cheaper price before our official release. We already met our MOQ but are just taking any extra preorders for this set.

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

Understood and appreciated! Thank you for the informative response.

I have placed my order

(And I kinda like the Ins block - the moar yellow the better!)

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

Just placed a good order for your key-set. Very nice indeed. As I love bees in general anything that even closely resembles their colour gets my vote (also Yellow and Black is a Major Hazard Colour designation in the Workplace).

Also it was about time someone decided to MAKE a POLYCARBONATE SPACER Key .

I went ape on ordering heaps of them. My spacers always wear out because MOST of the cheap bastards out there used common garden variety ABS, but you guys went all military on these babies. Thank you so much for doing that.

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

Just placed a good order for your key-set. Very nice indeed. As I love bees in general anything that even closely resembles their colour gets my vote (also Yellow and Black is a Major Hazard Colour designation in the Workplace).

Also it was about time someone decided to MAKE a POLYCARBONATE SPACER Key .

I went ape on ordering heaps of them. My spacers always wear out because MOST of the cheap bastards out there used common garden variety ABS, but you guys went all military on these babies. Thank you so much for doing that.

Thank you for your kind comments and support!We've put quite a bit of thought when it came to including the Polycarbonate spacebar. We too disliked shining and the wear/tear of normal ABS spacebars and wanted to offer a much more durable and resistant spacebar that would last users quite a long time. We've been testing our polycarbonate keycaps and have not experienced shine after thousands and thousands of presses. We're hoping for the same resistant result with our Translucent Honey Spacebars!

Thank you for your kind comments and support!We've put quite a bit of thought when it came to including the Polycarbonate spacebar. We too disliked shining and the wear/tear of normal ABS spacebars and wanted to offer a much more durable and resistant spacebar that would last users quite a long time. We've been testing our polycarbonate keycaps and have not experienced shine after thousands and thousands of presses. We're hoping for the same resistant result with our Translucent Honey Spacebars!

that sounds great! i foresee other color options for these polycarboate spacebars and even full polycarbonate keysets!

We've been testing our polycarbonate keycaps and have not experienced shine after thousands and thousands of presses. We're hoping for the same resistant result with our Translucent Honey Spacebars!

BRILLIANT! Just please let us know in advance when payment will be required because currently have been involved in quite a few Group Buys on here and would love to start pacing myself/wallet when it comes to handing over the required moolah.

Dates would be good because everything will be arranged around that. Hence no downtime for you in receiving the money and can get the order through with SP as soon as possible.

Also just my own personnel opinion, be careful about applying the Translucency on the Spacebar. If it's almost totally clear then it'll look fowl but having that golden yellow colour to match the other Yellow and Black keys is the optimum requirement here. Nothing worse than having an all brilliant Yellow and Black key-set with the Spacer being a dull washed out yellow key, showing a different colour.

Everything needs to be matched perfectly, but that's just me I am hooked upon anything being darker or lighter than anything else on a key-set. The spacer key could be superb or a failure depending on how you approach the colour and transparency of it.

We've been testing our polycarbonate keycaps and have not experienced shine after thousands and thousands of presses. We're hoping for the same resistant result with our Translucent Honey Spacebars!

Everything needs to be matched perfectly, but that's just me I am hooked upon anything being darker or lighter than anything else on a key-set. The spacer key could be superb or a failure depending on how you approach the colour and transparency of it.

We've been testing our polycarbonate keycaps and have not experienced shine after thousands and thousands of presses. We're hoping for the same resistant result with our Translucent Honey Spacebars!

Everything needs to be matched perfectly, but that's just me I am hooked upon anything being darker or lighter than anything else on a key-set. The spacer key could be superb or a failure depending on how you approach the colour and transparency of it.

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

It doesn't really look like a bee, it just doesn't look right. I was contemplating buying round 1 and the possible round 2 to be able to structure all the various layouts I would like, but the traditionalist in me is afraid I'll never have a proper set if round 2 doesn't happen. I'll put it this way, if you offer the traditional color scheme you will not get any complaints, if you change from the standard you will most likely lose people while not really gaining anyone new to replace them. I also didn't buy the coffee set because it didn't have the correct color "`~" and "\|" if that helps you understand where I am coming from.

wasdkeyboards is for making keysets that turn your keyboard into something visually different from an actual keyboard imo.

Maybe just sell the yellow insert, delete, etc separate so those who want it can have it, and those who don't will still order.

As for the Del/Insert block, this was intentional by us to help create a pattern that closely resembled a bumble bee. We are aware this breaks traditional color schemes but we hope this doesn't deter many buyers.

It doesn't really look like a bee, it just doesn't look right. I was contemplating buying round 1 and the possible round 2 to be able to structure all the various layouts I would like, but the traditionalist in me is afraid I'll never have a proper set if round 2 doesn't happen. I'll put it this way, if you offer the traditional color scheme you will not get any complaints, if you change from the standard you will most likely lose people while not really gaining anyone new to replace them. I also didn't buy the coffee set because it didn't have the correct color "`~" and "\|" if that helps you understand where I am coming from.

wasdkeyboards is for making keysets that turn your keyboard into something visually different from an actual keyboard imo.

Maybe just sell the yellow insert, delete, etc separate so those who want it can have it, and those who don't will still order.

We completely understand where you're coming from but we've already committed to this design layout. We're fully aware it does not follow the traditional layout most people are used to but we do not believe it will deter many buyers.NokCha has expressed his opinion on the matter with me that he disliked how every keycap set followed the same layout, creating a lack of variety and customization. We were originally fearful with the Coffee Set because there was quite a bit of backfire about the lack of the traditional "~" and "\" keys but it turned out ok in the end and all the sets were eventually sold out.

For this group buy we started to slowly move away from the traditional scheme by changing the Insert/Delete block and also including a Translucent spacebar to add more of a unique feel.

Overall we're trying to slowly move into more customized keysets and slowly moving away from the traditional layouts. It may seem like a bad decision to some but we're willing to take the risk and hope people will enjoy and accept our new and more customized keysets.

We can offer the traditional Insert/Delete block color scheme but please keep in mind the cost will not be very fair as we will not be committing any funds towards it.

I think the yellow 6-key block looks great. If you left that whole area black, it'd be a disconnected area of dark caps, whereas the rest of the keyboard would have a lot of bright yellow. I think it makes a lot of aesthetical sense to have those 6 caps yellow. The layout looks very balanced.

I think the yellow 6-key block looks great. If you left that whole area black, it'd be a disconnected area of dark caps, whereas the rest of the keyboard would have a lot of bright yellow. I think it makes a lot of aesthetical sense to have those 6 caps yellow. The layout looks very balanced.

Don't get me wrong I understand why they did it but it definitely won't suit everyone's board.

Well, it's all subjective, right? It's not like everyone participates in every group buy. For reasons beyond financial. I'm not participating in this one because this color scheme doesn't match anything I have on my keyboard or around. You may not because you don't like the yellow 6-key block To each their own. But I see the side that thinks this color layout has merit.

Well, it's all subjective, right? It's not like everyone participates in every group buy. For reasons beyond financial. I'm not participating in this one because this color scheme doesn't match anything I have on my keyboard or around. You may not because you don't like the yellow 6-key block To each their own. But I see the side that thinks this color layout has merit.

I just like yellow

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Well, it's all subjective, right? It's not like everyone participates in every group buy. For reasons beyond financial. I'm not participating in this one because this color scheme doesn't match anything I have on my keyboard or around. You may not because you don't like the yellow 6-key block To each their own. But I see the side that thinks this color layout has merit.

We don't mean to upset any users by these actions but we hope it will be something acceptable in the future!Our next plan is to have 3-5 different colors on a keyset!

Adding six more keys to every set will be very cheap (probably around $1-2) because of how pricing tiers with the same color caps work. That is why RGB sets are expensive, but alpha or mod sets can get extremely cheap. It would be wise to consider all the layouts out now and/or coming in the future like 65%, 70%, 75%, 40%, etc. I essentially bundled in some of the lesser used keys with the toxic group buy and it did not deter orders at all.

We don't mean to upset any users by these actions but we hope it will be something acceptable in the future!Our next plan is to have 3-5 different colors on a keyset!

Adding six more keys to every set will be very cheap (probably around $1-2) because of how pricing tiers with the same color caps work. That is why RGB sets are expensive, but alpha or mod sets can get extremely cheap. It would be wise to consider all the layouts out now and/or coming in the future like 65%, 70%, 75%, 40%, etc. I essentially bundled in some of the lesser used keys with the toxic group buy and it did not deter orders at all.

Just a quick update,All base sets will increase by $2.00This is to cover the cost of an additional Insert/Delete Block in the traditional scheme (Black on Yellow)If you'd like to opt out of this extra charge please let us know via PM or email.

Because the deadline is in 4 days there will be no further changes to the group buy.

"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

One last question, the base set and tsangan come with polycarb spacebar by default?

They do not come with the polycarb space bar by default. We figured some people might not like to be forced to use a polycarb space bar so we left it out as an optional choice.3 more days till the deadline!

Is the polycarb space bar purchased extra to base set, or is one included?And I assume the keycaps work with duckies

I understood that a plain yellow space bar was included in the base set, and polycarb ones are an optional extra.

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will there be an option to order additional bee or honeycomb keys (function/esc rows)?

Yup!

Please let us know if you've changed any of the original order forms to include anything extra or if you decided to kill off anything.

I hate when extras are provided for and I miss out on them thinking that they were never available before, hence why would they be now? It's just my innate insecurity when it comes to getting involved with Group Buys, always missing out on that extra set of keys that have unique colours/icons.