The Sign of the Woman Clothed with the Sun in 2017

In Revelation 12 I believe that we are given a very
important sign regarding the coming of the Lord.

12:1 And there appeared a great
wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet,
and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Here I believe we see a symbolic picture of the nation of
Israel—the woman—and the coming of the Christ child. I believe this symbolism
appeared as a sign in the skies over Jerusalem in the alignment of the stars on
Rosh Hashanah 9/11/3 BC.

On that day the constellation Virgo was “clothed with the
sun,” and the moon was under her feet. Above her head 3 planets—Mercury, Venus,
and Jupiter—were in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo, Regulus was also in
conjunction with Jupiter. This Regulus/Jupiter conjunction is what David
Larson, mentioned above, believes is the famed Star of Bethlehem. The 9 stars
of Leo and the 3 planets aligning with Regulus make the crown of 12 stars.

Now let’s examine the skies around the time that the Great
Pyramid complex points to, Rosh Hashanah in 2017. On 9/20-21/17 Rosh Hashanah;
Virgo is clothed with the Sun, the Moon is not under her feet but is in close
conjunction with the sun, and there is an alignment of Jupiter, the Moon,
Mercury, Mars, Venus, and Regulus, with Venus in conjunction with Regulus.

Three days after this alignment on 9/23/17, Virgo is
“clothed with the sun,” the moon is now under her feet, and above her head are
3 planets—Mercury, Mars, and Venus, which are in alignment with the star
Regulus in Leo. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 aligning planets make the crown of
12 stars. Thus this alignment meets the criteria of the Rev. 12 sign and is
similar to the 3 BC alignment. Interestingly enough this alignment occurs the
day after the second day of Rosh Hashanah on the day of Shabbat Shuvah—the
Sabbath of Return.[1] We will
discuss implications regarding this below.

So there we have it, the sign of Revelation 12 in the sky
above Jerusalem on special days, of which in their alignments and their
meanings point to major prophetic events surrounding the First and Second
Coming of Christ.

But wait there is more; look at what Jupiter—the king
planet—does in the months prior to this 2017 sign. On November 20th
2016 Jupiter enters the womb of Virgo.

Due to retrograde motion Jupiter stays
in or near the abdomen of Virgo until September 9, 2017.

Thus it is in or near
the abdomen of Virgo for a day short of 42 weeks after which time it is born
out of the abdomen of Virgo. Note: Normal human gestation is from 37-42 weeks.

Is this what this verse is in reference to? Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and
pained to be delivered.

Thus this truly is a unique sign and according to one researcher
is the only time in all of earth’s history that Jupiter stays in or near the
womb of Virgo for a normal human gestation period, which is then followed by
the sun clothing the constellation Virgo with the moon under her feet and
twelve stars on her head.

There is more to the sign; what about the red dragon?

3 And there appeared another wonder
in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and
seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part
of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood
before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as
soon as it was born.

Prophetically we know that
this passage is a symbolic representation of the devil, his kingdom, and some
of his actions. But will a celestial great dragon appear in the sky after the
sign of the woman clothed with the sun occurs?

Many researchers believe this
great red dragon may be the famed planet X/Nibiru system. In fact look at this
area of the sky between the legs of Virgo.

Why is it blacked out? Here
it is from another telescope.

Is this the coming red
dragon or is it merely an anomaly? Scripturally a planet X passage most closely matches the events after
the opening of Seal 6, which we know includes the rapture.

Thus I believe these celestial alignments in 2017 have major
prophetic implications of which we will discuss more in detail after the next
piece of data…

BTW; the dates of 9/20/17 and 9/23/17 are both encoded on
the dollar bill. You can read about them in The Dollar Code.

[1]
Shabbat Shuvah or Shabbat T'shuvah ("Sabbath [of] Return" שבתשובה or "Sabbath [of] Repentance" שבתתשובה) refers to the Shabbat that occurs during
the Ten Days of Repentance, but is between (i.e. not including): the two
consecutive Days of Rosh Hashanah; and the Day of Yom Kippur. The name Shabbat
Shuvah comes from the first word of the Haftarah that is read on that day,
Hosea 14:2-10, and literally means "Return!" It is alternately known
as Shabbat T'shuvah owing to its being one of the Aseret Y'may T'shuvah (Ten
Day of Repentance). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Shabbat#Shabbat_Shuvah

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The woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet October 6 2013Revelation 12

King James Version

12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

October 6 2013

Virgo is clothed with the sun andThe moon is under her feet and in line with mercury and saturn

Possible sign of Jonah time which is a 40 day call to repentance before destruction of that "great city of ninevah"(united states)

Malachi 4:5-6:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

40 means judgement

Of all the types and shadows of the Old Testament, none is as pervasive and important as the shadows revealed in the relationship between "forty," and the fulfillment of promises.

The rains (in Noah's day) fell for 40 days and nights (Genesis 7:4).Israel ate Manna for 40 years (Exodus 16:35).Moses was with God in the mount, 40 days and nights (Exodus 24:18).Moses was again with God 40 days and 40 nights (Exodus 34:28).Moses led Israel from Egypt at age 80 (2 times 40), and after 40 years in the wilderness, died at 120 (3 times 40; Deuteronomy 34:7).The spies searched the land of Canaan for 40 days (Numbers 13:25).Therefore, God made Israel wander for 40 years (Numbers 14:33-34).40 stripes was the maximum whipping penalty (Deuteronomy 25:3).God allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 3:11).God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 5:31).God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 8:28).Abdon (a judge in Israel) had 40 sons (Judges 12:14).Israel did evil; God gave them to an enemy for 40 years (Judges 13:1).Eli judged Israel for 40 years (1 Samuel 4:18).Goliath presented himself to Israel for 40 days (1 Samuel 17:16).Saul reigned for 40 years (Acts 13:21).Ishbosheth (Saul's son) was 40 when he began reign (2 Samuel 2:10).David reigned over Israel for 40 years (2 Samuel 5:4, 1 Kings 2:11).The holy place of the temple was 40 cubits long (1 Kings 6:17).40 baths (measurement) was size of lavers in Temple (1 Kings 7:38).The sockets of silver are in groups of 40 (Exodus 26:19 & 21).Solomon reigned same length as his father; 40 years (1 Kings 11:42).Elijah had one meal that gave him strength 40 days (1 Kings 19:8).Ezekiel bore the iniquity of the house of Judah for 40 days (Ezekiel 4:6).Jehoash (Joash) reigned 40 years in Jerusalem (2 Kings 12:1).Egypt to be laid desolate for 40 years (Ezekiel 29:11-12).Ezekiel's (symbolic) temple is 40 cubits long (Ezekiel 41:2).The courts in Ezekiel's temple were 40 cubits long (Ezra 46:22).God gave Nineveh 40 days to repent (Jonah 3:4).Jesus fasted 40 days and nights (Matthew 4:2).Jesus was tempted 40 days (Luke 4:2, Mark 1:13).Jesus remained on earth 40 days after resurrection (Acts 1:3).Women are pregnant for 40 weeks (time of testing).__________________

I took a look at your October 6, 2013 date where you said "the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet." Although, that appears to have happened on that date, where the issue is simply put is the position of the Planet Jupiter, whom some call the "King Planet."

Your statement is true, yet your observation is incomplete. Jupiter travels around the sun once every 11.8 earth years. Also because of the retrograde motion relative to the sun, it can by appearance of relative sight from earth appear to accelerate or come to a complete standstill based upon earth's position to the sun during a calendar year.

Therefore, every 11.8 years, Jupiter due to the vast amounts of distances between the planet and associated constellations whether that is Virgo or Leo should roughly be in the same position every time. However, the confluence of Virgo being clothed by the Sun, moon under foot, with 12 celestial bodies above her head plus the addition of Jupiter exiting Virgo all concluding roughly on September 23, 2017 is rather curious.

What is even more eyebrow raising is not this particular event rather the astrological event that preceded it on August 23, 2015 there was a near perfect alignment of Jupiter "the King Planet", Regulus "the King Star," which is apart of the "Leo the Lion" constellation, and the "Sun." (Ps 84:11 states, “The Lord God is sun and shield; He bestows favor and honor.) Factor in the seven blood moons issue that occurred afterwards and we have a great deal of mathematically improbable events occurring in an absolutely unprecedented short space of time since 6-3 B.C.

The Jupiter event regarding its presence inside Virgo in which I wrote about above occurs once every 11.86 earth years, and the presence of the moon underfoot with sun to the side should be visible once during this timeframe. This coincides with the orbital pattern of Jupiter that takes that long to make one solar rotation about the sun.

The woman clothed in the sun with moon underfoot should occur in some sort of pattern once a year. It is contingent upon the location of the sun relative to the constellation. Naturally the moon makes one rotation around the earth in a month, so it isn't illogical that the moon during the course of normal month will be under Virgo at least once a year.

This is quite a fascinating occurrence. We will certainly have recourse to the Blessed Mother of God should anything happen as the Revelations reference to the woman clothed by the Sun with the moon under foot is a direct reference to her when placed into context of the other surrounding versus. It is apparent that the adversary has made major inroads in every major institution we have known since the fall of the Roman Empire. My hope is that the circumstances surrounding Fatima, and 2017 being the 100 year anniversary that we all will come to see an end of the reign of the devil, confusion, and war for some time.

Nope. II Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only until he who now restrains it is taken out of the way. I believe that the One who is restraining him is the Holy Spirit, in other words the church. So the church will not be here when he will be revealed.

Identifying the RestrainerYet another argument put forth by pre-trib adherents is that they say that the Holy Spirit is removed before the antichrist is revealed; and since the Holy Spirit indwells Christians, they will be removed also. They draw this conclusion from 2 Thessalonians 2:6­–7: “And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.” They have made the assumption that it is the Holy Spirit who is the restrainer and that when He is removed—and Christians with Him—the antichrist will be revealed.

This is an incorrect assumption, for the Holy Spirit is recorded as still being on the earth indwelling believers during the last days of the 70th Week. This is clearly evident in Joel 2:

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. (Joel 2:28–31)

To those of you that think the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, I would like for you to ponder a couple of questions. How can the Holy Spirit still be on earth during the 70th Week if the verse says the restrainer (Holy Spirit) is removed? And if He is removed, will He leave and come back? One individual told me that the Holy Spirit is not really removed, but just His restraining power; and after His restraining power is removed, that is when the rapture occurs and the Holy Spirit reverts back to His Old Testament mode. In responding to this, I would like to call your attention to Acts 2:16–21:

islam prophate muhammad p.b.u.h.said that the antichrist will be blind with one eye.his one eye will be damaged.he will have 2 horns.in his army 70 thousand peoples head will be big like water pot (made by soil clay.in old time people used that pots to keep water.)he will creat great confusion amongs people amongs countries amongs religion.with him there will be 2 angels in the body of moses and jesus p.b.u.h to test peoples iman.he will come out in anger befor he will run his empire from hidden place.the time he will come infront of world to show that he is rulling the world when there will 2 eclips in the month of ramadhan ist ramadhan there is sun eclips 15 ramadhan moon eclips and also same time there will be one comet arise in the sky.with him there will be several lady singers.(same like lady gaga ariana grande nicki minaj britny.kesha.katy pary.madona.beyouncy.)and megecians.he will bring heaven and hell he will order sky and rain will come he will order land and there will be crops come out.in order to do this all.he will collect peopls souls to gain power his power increases as he get more pure soul.

I just want to mention Regulus entered Virgo in November 2011, which may change your data since it was based on calculation of Regulus in Leo. However, an interesting note there is that Virgo is a mutable sign; and Regulus was the last of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to enter such constellations. All four are forming their cross in mutable signs now. Again, this may change your data but I think it is useful to know if you are telling others about entering end- times. I would be quite interested to know what you find out given this information. Thank you for thinking critically though. Good luck.

It seems significant RH 2017 Sun in Virgo. I would also like to point out that on April 15th 2014, is the first blood moon of the tetrad. Similar to Virgo giving birth to the man child Sep 23 2017, Virgo gives birth to the moon 1 hour before the first of the eclipse begins. I think this is significant. I just discovered this in Stellarium and have not heard anyone else mentioning this.

The moon is a symbol of the church, reflecting the glory of the sun. Right before the eclipse, the moon will be at its fullest point. Then it starts to be hidden in one hour after its birth.

Could this symbollically be that the birth is the resurrection? And the hiding of the moon symbolizes the rapture? The church in hiding?

So you talk pretrib rapture... if so explain to me this. In Revelations it says those that did not take the mark of the beast and did not worship the beast will reign with Christ 1000 years. The rest of the dead will not live till after the 1000 year reign. So if you say we are raptured before the mark of the beast then where will we be during the 1000 year reign?

I agree, we will see the antichrist and his Seal 5 mark of the beast persecution and then will be raptured at Seal 6. This is known as the Pre Wrath rapture theory and is the only theory that does not contradict any scriptures!

I totally agree with the Pre Wrath rapture. It took me years to get out of the Pre-Trib rapture as it just did not make sense. The Church is left here to continue to be a testimony to endeavor to save souls before the conclusion of the Tribulation. This is why the Church was instituted in the first place to bring others to Christ! And look at what is transpiring in Israel with the nations against her, as I type this. Definitely end time prophecies are in line to becoming fulfilled. Thank you for this remarkable revelation in the heavens.

The Woman is the Mother of our Lord, the Virgin Mary. This changes the dynamic of the cosmos, in that the Son of God has become God in the flesh. With the moon under her feet, and the Sun shining through her, Mary is the fulfillment of the woman in Genesis 3:15.

Jesus is the fulfillment of Gen 3:15. Women have no seed, the seed comes from the man. Mary is not the Queen of Heaven, which is a term that has no basis whatever. Else do you think Joseph's dream was about Mary? Certainly not! Jacob interpreted Joseph's dream correctly and is recorded in scripture.

"... the Queen of Heaven." - That was the name given to the goddess the apostate Israelite worshiped right before the fall of Jerusalem in 537 BC. You do not want to become associated with ANYONE been given THAT tittle!.

How IRONIC that 2 months after the first blood moon of April 2014, an organization rises up to declare itself as the ALL governing authority of Islam and goes by the name of 'just that' - ISIS - a.k.a. Queen of Heaven; I don't believe that's just coincidental and then by the 2nd blood moon of October 2014 - ISIS resurrects the Dark Ages by taking their beheading rituals to a new level...... this all may not have anything to do with anything...but I don't see any GOOD in it either!! ISIS was a goddess of Hagar and isn't all these people stirring up all this ruckus the children of Hagar? duh

That is called 'synchronicity', by Jung. Beside, ISIS center of operation has been Rakka, in Northern Irak. Yeshua said "Any one that calls his brother rakka deserves death" (I just paraphrased it). (??)

In the Old Testament, they were pouring out drink offerings to the queen of heaven, and God was super angry at their idolatry. This queen of heaven idolatry goes way back, and Jesus and the disciples did not teach a Mary doctrine, in fact, very little was said about Jesus' mother. Woman (fertility) worship came from other nations, and God hated his people prostituting themselves to these other gods, and He still does.

Good thing we don't worship Mary. But I certainly love her and pray for her to pray for me-to show me the path to her Son. And no one knows a son the way a momma does. She loves us as her own and wants us closer to Jesus. God chose her. She is special. Even her cousin Elizabeth knew that and cried out BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB! There may not be much about her in the written bible per se, but what is there is SIGNIFICANT AND WORTHY OF CHURCH DOCTRINE.

The SEED OF THE WOMAN along with the inception of the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary, is how Christ was formed in Mary's womb. 'Anonymous' in the comment above is completely wrong in saying a woman does not have a seed. She carries her seeds for her entire fertile period of her life in her womb at which time one particular seed is released once a month. Didn't this 'anonymous' person study Biology? Duh! God does all things gloriously through his supernatural abilities!

I search for all the signs i can about the birth in heaven. I have been lifted reassured and comforted by these. This world even with the horrific evil has reminders of Christs love. Something as simple has crying on my porch for the children of this age and feeling such sadness to then look up and see a humingbird a foot in front of me. The 14th of April i was looking for the eclipse. And noticed a sound a trumpet sound that seemed far off yet all around. I couldnt tell if it was from the sky or the earth. And no matter what direction i stood i could hear it at the same volume. It was beautiful and peaceful. The most amazing part was i could still hear it even after going back into my home. Amazing. Beautiful. Jesus Christ his will be done. Amen.

Interesting.. What you described, I also heard but I had 4 trumpets as if it were coming from straight above!!.. This happened in 2004 in the month of September, and it something I can never forget, I was just getting done reading the parts of Revelations .. When this great phenomenom occurred there is no other words I can put together to describe my experience but wow!! But after this happened I told many of what happened to me and what I truly heard, and yet no one heard it..nor believed me!!, it was really loud and clear to me!!.. So It makes me wonder why,and why me did this happen? .. I know it was a sign from Heaven,for there is no explanations.

I to heard a very loud trumpet sound last year while I was on my cell phone. The person on the other end heard nothing and I could not hear theme anymore but after it suddenly stopped I said Oh my gosh did you hear that and they said what??? It was a shofar sounding and I looked up the different meaningames of the different blowing and found the exact sound I heard!

And the world was not discovered that it was not flat till when? yet it was clearly in scripture. the ancients had a lot of info that was lost through the ages. I do not know of the origins of the Hebrew names for the planets and am not dogmatic about it and never claimed they were ancient names

To historicaloptiondata and all those who care to read this,I do not share the same beliefs as some on the teaching of the rapture. (Google origins of the rapture, it is not in the Book as many have preached.) I would like to quote someone who would have a much better idea of this than I, Corrie Ten Boom said, " Why would you have a doctrine that teaches that you will be taken out of the world when the world will need you the most."Now I do believe in the "taken up" or "lifted up" as it were to escape the Lord's Wrath, but not before we all go through the Tribulation. If we all can accept this, we can then prepare spiritually, emotionally and physically for this.If you believe in the signs of and for the First Coming and then also signs for the Second Coming, then one would think that there would be signs of and for the First Exodus as well for the plain examples in the Book about the Second and Greater Exodus.Amen.

The rapture happens before God's wrath is poured out. God's wrath is poured out after the opening of Seal 6. See Chap 4 in the side bar for a thorough explanation of Rev 3:10, which also supports a prewrath rapture.

I have thought about the Rapture...I think we might have it all wrong...I read .."As in the days of Noah...." Well, what happened? All those in the Ark survived. Two will be working a field...one will be taken away ! I've a feeling that the one staying behind in the field survives. Just a thought.

unlike a lot of people delving into the possible Astronomical implications of Revelation 12, I don't think there is anything here sufficient to tell us what year it happens, just the time of year.

Leo is directly above the head of Virgo, and linked to Royalty. But is today viewed as a 9 star Constellation, so the assumption tends to be that you need to add 3 planets to make it fit being Virgos 12 star Crown. The overlooked historical detail is that Coma Berneicis was part of Leo in Ancient Times. Though it was already refereed to sometimes as a distinct sub portion of the Constellation, like Orion's Belt. It was not separated from Leo until Renaissance times.

The Coma is 3 stars as defined by Ptolemy. One of it's stars is even named Diadem, meaning Crown. So in Fact Virgo's 12 Star Crown is always there, you don't any other more distinct event.

Thing is, I don't think Jupiter or any Star being in Virgo is required at all to fit what this describes. The Man Child I don't think needs to be represented specifically by an astronomical object. It's simply that from the Christian view of the stars. The Woman is always inherently pregnant with The Man Child. In most views of the Mazzaroth, Spica is the Seed of The Woman.

So as I said before, these signs tell us the time of year, but not what year. Once the 70th Week begins we'll be able to calculate what year, but not yet.

Yes the sign occurs every year but what is different about 2017 is that it falls on Rosh Hashanah--very rare and significant, This date also has alignments with the pyramid. Read chapter 12 in the sidebar for a more thorough explanation

The one thing that I have not seen mentioned here is;Starting around the 20th of November 2016 and continuing for aprox. 38 weeks (an average human gestational period)Jupiter will enter into Virgo, specifically the polygon that makes up the body of the constellation, and remain there until Sept. 11th 2017. Just as Jupiter is leaving the birth canal of Virgo, we have the culmination of the event; the end of Rosh Hashana (Sept.22 2017) which is also the end of the Jewish year 5777, we see the sign of revelation 12 in the heavens. I think this a significant amount of correlations. Just a few examples;Jupiter is considered the King PlanetVirgo is the VirginSept 11 is thought by some to be the real birthday of Christ 2020 years earlierThe date 5777 speaks for itself.Jupiter spent an appropriate amount of time in the womb of Virgo.

Thank you so much for that information! I was not aware of that and believe it to be very significant. I think that will be a good topic for a future post. If you have any further insights please feel free to share or email me.

"Starting around the 20th of November 2016 and continuing for aprox. 38 weeks Jupiter will enter into Virgo, specifically the polygon that makes up the body of the constellation, and remain there until Sept. 11th 2017."Interesting, but how do you get 38 weeks?

The 23 September 2017 Revelation 12 Heavenly Sign occurs only once in 7,000 years. I have checked all of man's history; 6,200 years into the past and 1,200 years into the future and not found a repetition of the sign.

The crucial part of the sign is the pregnancy of the constellation in the 42 weeks leading up to Sep 23. Jupiter only does this every 83 years which is a little under a 100 times in the 7,400 years. Further the moon is only at the feet of the constellation once every 19 years.

All of these cycles combine to make the Sept 23 sign very unique.

Interestingly the 1335 days spoken of in Daniel 12v12 regularly occurs between the Feast of Trumpets (FOT) and the Feast of Pentecost except for intercalary months. FOT 2017 to Pentecost 2021 has 1335 days. Additionally FOT 2017 to Day of Atonement (DOA) 2024 has 2550 days (i.e. 1260 + 1290). Hebcal and Torahcalendar differ on the DOA 2024 by a month so make sure you verify with Torahcalendar.

Further the book of revelation should be read *not* from chapters 1 to 22 in chronological order but rather from chapters 1 to 11 in chronological order and then beginning again in parallel from chapters 12 to 22 in chronological order. This makes Ch.12 *not* a mid-tribulation event but rather the beginning of the tribulation. When the book of Revelation is read in this order we see matches to chapters 6&13 (tribulation), chapters 7&14 (rapture & 144,000), chapters 8&16 (God’s Wrath) and chapters 11&19 (End of man ruling himself). This parallel timeline provides a double witness to the book of revelation.

• Here is the Video that shows the Bethlehem Star, and NOT ONLY, that but the Sign that they could not see because it was hidden in daylight… It’s the Sign on the Cross at the last part in this Video.. This is the sign at the beginning of the tribulation…. and the end of the Tribulation with one difference, satan is defeated and it shows that in that sign at the sign of the son of Man Matthew 24:30….. May 18 2021, on Pentecost, that is when we come back with Christ to rule and reign with Him… This first one, was one of the first ones he did…. the Bethlehem Star and the Sign of the Cross..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3E-q7z2Cwg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLziyVlJdNyjGcx1nw_hInk5U5fil79JmcThe next one is, show how he found this Sign and he explains Retrograde motion, which a lot of people were asking him about at that time….. here it is…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk85h_Af45k&list=PLziyVlJdNyjGcx1nw_hInk5U5fil79JmcI put the most important Video First , but the second one explains the first.. And this one explains the Crosses the First and the last…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00KBYDq-YxU&list=PLziyVlJdNyjGcx1nw_hInk5U5fil79JmcA couple of additional thoughts on Saturnstopping/stationary in Capricorn on the Festival of Reaping "weeks"May 18th 2021. One, it means nothing or it could be seen as Satan's rule onearth(Capricorn) ending or stopping 1335 days after 9-22/23-2-17. Anotheraspect is Saturn and it connection as the "Reaper" in this case thesign in the heaven here could indicate some kind of spiritual harvest takingplace at the festival of reaping. In Greek the word to denote days month oryears is Chronos or as with Saturn you see father time holding a sickle areaping tool, with 1335 days or 1260 days or 42 month they would be as toChronos in Greek as opposed to Kairos. For what its worth Capricorn is said toconnected to the Earth and ruled by Saturn, Saturn and Capricorn have beenconnected to Satan for a long time by many. According to the Word of God Satanhas dominion here on earth so I don't see the Bible contradicting what's beenwritten about Capricorn "Earth" being ruled by Saturn"Satan".

was just running through Stellarium looking atthe 9-23-2017 sign and found this interesting, while this sign is nothing newas well as the fact that 1335 days after this sign is the traditional Pentecostdate(right or wrong). Cronus(time) Saturn is stationary on this date that is tosay time(Cronus) stops on Pentecost 1335 days after the sign of the womenclothed with the sun, to the naked eye

the stopping of time/Saturn(Cronus) is hard to perceive you really have about aone week window on either side of stationary but the actual date is May 18th2021. I also find it interesting the stoppage of time-Cronus-Saturn takes placein the middle of Capricorn given its connection to Saturn by some.

I would like to thank you, Mark, for all of the work you have done on this. I began to watch Jupiter and Venus converging in June 2015,and told everyone I talked to about it. I watched it for a month and began to research on the internet.

I have been studying the motions of the heavens, specifically the lunar cycle and the planets for a few years. When I came upon your research into Sep 23 2017 I was amazed, and believe this to be remarkable. The sun clothing Virgo with the Moon beneath her feet. The crown of 12 stars; the nine stars of Leo and 3 wandering stars of Mercury, Mars, and Venus. That is incredible. But add to it Jupiter entering into the womb of Venus in a retrograde for 42 weeks and the odds become astronomical :). And then their is Saturn.

I enjoyed reading all of this stuff from different sources and watched the time line as you put the pieces together, actually developing this. It will be interesting to watch for the next couple of years and see what happens. Thanks.

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

SECOND WONDER - SECOND ALIGNMENT - SECOND DATE OF FULFILLMENT:APPEARS TO FULFILL 9/9-23/2017 RANGE.

MAY BE DATE OF TRIBULATION... BUT WATCH 9/28/2015 BECAUSE WE SHOULD WATCH "FIRST DATES FIRST" FOR FULFILLMENT OF START OF TRIBULATION.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

**Jesus Christ bodily returns on the Last Day - Judgment Day - after the 1000 years. At time of tribulation, the Church of Philadelphia will be protected and will transfigure to enter Eden in these mortal bodies entirely sanctified.

"Rapture" is what happens when we meet Jesus in the air on the Last Day/Judgment Day when He immediately lands His foot on Mount Olives, destroys the first creation, recreates all things new, and New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. That is "rapture".

What happens in tribulation is the Church of Philadelphia transfigures, enters Eden, disappears (you cannot see Eden)... and we live for the 1000 years in Eden.

(Jesus bodily returns on the Last Day - Judgment Day - Final Armageddon after the 1000 years.)

I am also watching 9/23/17 but as a point near the middle after which the antichrist will rule for 3.5 years. Scripture is clear that the rapture will occur after the Sixth Seal is opened before Gods' wrath is poured out.

William where do you get that scripture is clear that the Rapture is after the 6th seal. The rapture is signless. I need you to help me understand why you say this. If that is the case then we get to know and see the A/C. In addition dont forget we need to see the Ezekeil 38/39 war and the burning of weapons for 7 years. So it looks as if we are still here for many more years. Let me know where in the word its says we are pre wrath

Regarding the start of end times may I say this. If you wish to get a deeper insight to the end of the age read what Don Koening has to say about that. I at first did not agree with him but the more I study end times and the more I watch whats happening in the Middel East things are only just warming up. Babylon (not America) still needs to be rebuilt which they are busy with now. Then we need a 7 year period for the Jews to burn the weapons for fuel Ezekeil 38/39. They cannot be burning during the 7 years of tribulation as half way thru they will be in the mountains hiding from the A/C. I see it as 7 years of good for the Jews and 7 years bad as it was in Jacobs times. The 3.5 is the time of Jacobs troubles. America and Britain and the EU are behind ISIS. Thats why they dont go and bomb them. They have an agenda and that is to bring all muslims under one caliphate in the Middel east. They need Jersualem. 2017 may be the start of Ezekeils war but not the tribulation. Then we need to study Hosea 6 :2 After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. The live in his presence is talking about the 1000 years. The 2 days is talking about the 2000 years from Christ death on the cross to the end of the tribulation. Christ died 32/33AD add 2000 years. I really dont see the start of the tribulation as being just around the corner. Too much still needs to be acomplished by the NWO. I was gravely dissapointed after really studying this but we have to face reality the end is not just here yet. Each year has closed with nothing major happeing on the scenes. The blood moons have been a great dissapointment so far and no wonder as we have still a few more years. The church has to become so much more wicked for The Great falling away to take place. The great falling away has just begun but its in its early stages of embroy. If I am wrong let me know. Thank you.

Scripture is clear that the rapture is part of the Day of the Lord. The moon is turned to blood before the day of the Lord, The moon is turned to blood at the sixth seal and that is when the rapture occurs that is why they see the Lord and hide.

I cover this extensively in The Coming Epiphany, which you can download for free.

William the moon turning to blood is just before the second coming as the whole world sees this and in the same day the sun turns to darkness and this lasts for days and days. These blood moons we are seeing are no different to the blood moons we saw back in 1967/68 etc. The blood moons that Joel talks about is going to be a major event unlike the ones we see now which has no bearing on us as life seems to just carry on. I shall go and read what you have said but I just don't see these blood moons as a major event. Many countries did not even have blood moons over them so how can that be a sign for them. Nope the blood moons Joel speaks of are world wide some how and that may have somehting to do with a polar shift. Thank you.

A correct date for Christ's birth is worth nothing without knowing what calendar it belongs to - Gregorian or Julian. Not a single article or book, including Dr. Martin's Star of Bethlehem, reveals that information. In English this is called insanity.

You are correct, it belongs in the lunar calendar. As such an astronomy program makes a very precise time clock to see when celestial events took place. For an interesting look, be sure you watch Frederick Larson's Star of Bethlehem.

Rev. 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ...6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days..Sarah, the Woman, births Isaac + 1260 years = 3 BC =Messiah including the 65 years for the change in time of the sunclock. (65 and 365) EnochGen. 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22 and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 and Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.Micah 5:3 Therefore he will give up [Isra’el] only until she who is in labor gives birth. Then the rest of his kinsmen will return to the people of Isra’el.

Daniel 8:13......2300 Days = Jan. 20, 1939 to May 8, 1948Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.January 20, 1939 Adolf Hitler proclaims to German parliament to exterminate all European Jews. At 02:41 on the morning of 7 May, at SHAEF headquarters in Reims, France, the Chief-of-Staff of the German Armed Forces High Command, General Alfred Jodl, signed the unconditional surrender documents for all German forces to the Allies. General Franz Böhmeannounced the unconditional surrender of German troops in Norway on 7 May, the same day as Jodl signed the unconditional surrender document. It included the phrase "All forces under German Control to cease active operations at 2301 hours Central European Time on May 8, 1948."

Age when son born 2108 - Jacob is born 91 2048 - Isaac is born 60 1958 - Sarah, Abrahams wife, is born 91 1948 - Abraham is born 100 1878 - Terah is born 70 1849 - Nahor is born 29 1819 - Serug is born 30 1787 - Reu is born 32 1757 - Peleg is born 30 1723 - Eber is born 34 1693 - Shelah is born 30 1658 - Arpachshad is born 35 Total: 632 Who died on 632 AD? Dan. 12 Dan. 12 1922 Mandate Palestine 1967 Jerusalem-6 day war 1290 1335 632 632

Matthew 24:37 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Count the days of Noah!1666 + 350 = 2016 Genesis 9:28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. Add up their ages when son's are born = 1666Gen. 7:24 The water held power over the earth for 150 days. 2016-150 = 1866.1666- It is the only year to contain each Roman numeral once in descending order. Convert it to Hebrew, add it up, it's the year 1866.In 1866, the Alter was moved to Berlin Germany. The Pergamon Altar (the Seat of Satan) is a Greek alter built in the city of Pergamon in Asia Minor. (Modern day Turkey).Rev. 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is. (Satan's throne)..

Gen. 15:13 Adonai said to Avram, “Know this for certain: your descendants will be foreigners in a land that is not theirs. They will be slaves and held in oppression there four hundred years. 14 But I will also judge that nation, the one that makes them slaves. Afterwards, they will leave with many possessions.430 years in Egypt, then 400 X 7 times =1492 (Columbus voyage) + 400 = (1892 -Russia on Passover, TO THE DAY) + 30 = 1922 = 430 years coming out of Russia) then count 7x13 weeks = 2013 Midst of Daniels week? It's Midst in Hebrew, not middle of the week.Over 2 million Jews left Europe and came to the USA, 1892-1922.Ex. 12:At the end of 430 years TO THE DAY, all the divisions of Adonai left the land of Egypt.Gen. 45:55 Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.Isaiah 66:“For I [know] their deeds and their thoughts. “[The time] is coming when I will gather together all nations and languages. They will come and see my glory, 19 and I will give them a SIGN.Congress passed first the Quota Act of 1921 then the even more restrictive Immigration Act of 1924 (the Johnson-Reed Act). http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5078/I think Ya wasn't none to happy about quotas.The 1927 Jericho earthquake, The Wall Street Crash of 1929, also known as Black Tuesday, The Dust Bowl, also known as the Dirty Thirties, The Great Depression

Here is how God showed me this time lime. The groom has to be with his bride for one year before he goes to war, so something has to happen this year. He is coming for his bride >this< year. The final Jubilee year starts this year on Rosh Ha shanah, which meant the earth has to be at rest while he is with his bride.

Your thesis contradicts scripture and thus cannot be correct. The rapture is part of the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord occurs after the moon is turned to blood (Acts 2:20) The Moon is turned to blood at Seal 6. Thus rapture is after Seal 6.

666 DAYS11-11-2015 to 9-7-2017 = 666 daysOnly saying it's a possibility. 11/13/2015 to 9/9/2017 = 666 days11/13/2015 is 3 rd day after new moon9/9/2017 is date of Jupiter exiting Virgo, birthIt is required that the groom spend 1 year with his bride, before he can go to war. In olden times weddings lasted 7 days. New moon: Nov. 11, 2015 . Jewish custom is that 2 witnesses confirm the new moon 3 days after it occurs.Deut. 24:5 “If a man has recently married his wife, he is not to be subject to military service; he is to be free of external obligations and left at home for ONE year to make his new wife happy.Nov. 20, 2015 is one year To The Day before the Bride gets pregnant. Jupiter (King planet) enters Virgo's(Virgin) womb - retrograde 41 weeks(same as a womans gestation).Sept. 9, 2017 Jupiter exits Virgo's womb - retrograde 41 weeks(same as a womans gestation).Sept. 23, 2017 Virgo rises with wings. http://raptureintheairnow.com/?topic=jupiter-in-virgo-sign-may-be-typical-event-every-12-years-not-good/ Jupiter’s length of time in each constellation–it takes this planet 12 years to go through all 12 signs of the Zodiac. It is always the case for the Sun to be in Virgo and the moon under her feet in the September month. September 23, 2017 the three planets that are going to be stationed in the Leo Constellation which will have all 9 main stars of Leo and in addition the 3 planet stars for a total of 12 stars just above the head of the Virgo constellation, and that is a rare event!Three days after this alignment on 9/23/17, Virgo is “clothed with the sun,” the moon is now under her feet, and above her head are 3 planets—Mercury, Mars, and Venus, which are in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 aligning planets make the crown of 12 stars. Rev. 12:1 Now a great sign was seen in heaven — a woman clothed with the sun, under her feet the moon, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and about to give birth, and she screamed in the agony of labor. I Thess. 5:5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:The woman represents Israel, and her child is Christ; the Messiah (12:5; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; 66:7.8; Micah 5:2; Romans. 9:4,5) The woman is not the church, since the church did not bring forth Christ, But rather He brought forth the church. The sun reflects redeemed Israel's unique glory, brilliance and dignity because of her exulted status and shows her as God's chosen nation. The moon under her feet alludes to God's promise of dominion, and the crown of twelve stars pictures royalty and relates to the 12 tribes of Israel. Go to Genesis 37 verses 9 - 11 and read about the dream Joseph had about the sun, moon and 11 stars which were bowing down to Joseph. (who was the 12th)In this look toward heaven by John, we are taken to a different aspect of the battle that has gone on through all ages between Jesus and Satan. If Jesus is in warfare with Satan, then His people are in battle as well.12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Women, who have had children, know that there is pain involved in birth. This Scripture is spiritually speaking of the birth of Jesus and of Christianity.The birth pains refer to the period before the birth of Christ when Israel was waiting for redemption by the Messiah (Rom. 8:22, 23).

The next and last Jubilee year is 2045. 2016 is a Shmitah or Sabbatical year. The final Jubilee year is preceded by 2044 a Sabbatical year. The others are 2023, 2030, 2037 and 2044. If you want to you can trace all of these back to Adam on Earth. It is possible and it can be done with the Bible. I also suggest a book titled "The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings", by Edwin R. Thiele.2044 is the seventh Sabbatical year in the cycle. The Jubilee year is the 50th year following the seventh Sabbatical year, which is 2045. Leviticus 25:10 explains this and 2nd Kings 19:29 is an example of this, that there are two years that the land is to rest, the 49th and the 50th.The 50th year is also the 1st year of the next Sabbatical year. I disagree that Yom Teruah is the beginning of Shmitah year. Shemot (Exodus) chapter 12 establishes Aviv as the 1st month. This is important when coordinating historical events with the pattern of the Shmitah from Creation through the 120th Jubilee.The Shmittah, or the Sabbaths were established at Creation. These Sabbaths include the seventh day Sabbath, the Sabbatical and the Jubilee years. In the greater sense, what is established in the 4th Commandment is a measure of time in patterns of 7, each marked by a coinciding period of rest. This pattern or cycle is established to provide a rest, a reset, a redemption for all of Creation and expresses the mercy and lovingkindness of the Creator. The fist day of life for Adam and Havvah was the 7th day, the Sabbath.I believe the correct number of years for 1 Kings 6:1 should be 412 years. You have only the one “witness” of 1 Kings 6:1 for the 480 years. But other versions of the bible have 420, Josephus has 590 and other sources offer other numbers and no two agree. Nor do I have another to back me up on the 412… but let me offer you this explanation. By charting the Sabbatical and Jubilee years we can determine the chronology from Adam to the Exodus is 2458 Years A.C. (after Creation).We also know from the 4th year of Solomon, 966 B.C. to our present. From 966-2014 is 2980 Years.We also know from Gen 6:3 that there are 120 Jubilee cycles of 49 years each, which is 5880 Years total. And we have a Jubilee year the year they entered the Promised land in 2500 A.C. and another in 701 B.C. 2 King 19:29 Which means that the last Jubilee year was 1996 and the next one will be 2045. This means we must also add another 31 years to get to the end of this next Jubilee year.

A jubilee year is also a year of blessing or restoration. But if man turns his heart against God it can also be a curse. Now question, what blessing or curse can you point too on your years you proclaim to be that of jubilee? If 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to Israel and 1917 when the ottoman impire lost control of the jewish territory to the brits. Then this shows a restoration as is spoken of in the old testament. Read Daniel 9:25 and study when the king of Persia gave the command to rebuild Jerusalem to the 69 times 7 years. Then study when prime minister ben-gurion gave his order in June 6 1967 to rebuild Jerusalem and see what end date you come up with. Then one year of rest as you say then you come to Sept 2017. Thank you

In 2012 Regulus moved into Virgo, which is the sign of man.It had been in Leo for 2168 years, it is still in the constellation of Leo but the sign of Virgo.This is the Antichrist system. The sign of the beast is the sign of man. Man becomes King and goes to war with God which is now opposite in Pisces.

Here is how the United States by unfreezing Iranian assets while allowing Iran to buy aerial tankers and advanced fighter jets called Red Dragons that the United States funded the development of may bring on the Apocalypse. https://youtu.be/vCKpN479Vzo

Does anyone know if any celestial event happen inbetween 605 and 630 AD?? I've searched for a while now, and everytime it come to that time its empty.. They show some astronomical event that happened upto 580 AD, then begins again after 650 AD... what are they hiding?? Please help me figure this out.. Im specifically looking for some type of event that happens exactly every 1000 months or 83.333 years.. I found that Uranus Regulus Conjunction occurs every 83 years 2 months 13 to 18 days which is damn close to 1000 months. Then I also thought it mighr have been Haleys Comet which is a couple years short. So which great astronomical/Solar/lunar/Planetary event happens Exactly 1000 months apart? my email is monotheist026@gmail.com

I think Krakatoa or Santorini volcanos exploded around that time and sent a pall of ash all around the globe and Chinese historians recorded the weather was so bad there were no summers and the sun was darkened. Look up ancient accounts of volcanic eruptions that affected all the earth's seasons and weather.

The rapture takes place mid tribulation and a scripture that definitive places it at that time is Re 10:7.Revelation 10:7 KJV[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

I believe the woman is a picture of the Old Testament, in which the mystery of salvation, or the Gospel, was hidden inside of it until, through the birth and death of Jesus, the Old Testament "gave birth" to the New Testament of Salvation. The twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel to which the Law of the Old Testament was given, and being clothed with the Sun was the Light of God's holiness, and the moon, which is a dead object, was merely man's spiritual deadness and inability to obey the Old Testament Law, hence, it is being stood on by that which was too powerful for it. Hence, you have the entire Old Testament body from top to bottom: the Law given to Israel, the Law being the Light of God's holiness, and the deadness of spirit of mankind and their being crushed by the Law.

Excellent and great discussion: I just wish Christ would come now! All that is coming is a culmination of our wrong choices od disobedience., but we have Free will and learning the 'hard way' may be the only way we learn to resist evil. 2002 was the COUP OF 2002 when USA congress defunded civl and criminal oversight of govt contacors then massive contracting out began to an international cabal besdt system which now controls and owns most of the data and recrods of all nations. The TrasnPacific Partnernership will put all contol of the world into one server for ONE PERSON TO CONTROL the beast system is nearly in place and by 9/23/17 the final acts to make it happen occur MOST DO NOT KNOW THAT THEIR GOVTS ARE NOT IN Charger and ALL POWER HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BEAST. massive amounts of our tax dollars being stolen daily by this cabal and no one in the real govt knows as no funding to go find out what is goingn on . LIVING IN ALICE;S WONDERLAND AND AT THE END OF THE FOOLD;S GOLD ROAD IS THE EVIL MASTER BEHIND THE CURTAIN yet to be revealed that is none we have elected as they have no power to rule since the COUP OF 2002 done in the dead of night by changing words and phrases in a budget bill CONGRESS VOTED ON THE NEXT MORNING NEVER KNOWING THAT THE CHANGES WERE NOT AN EAR MARK FOR A BRIGES, ETC IN ONES DISTRICT BUT TO STOP "the strainer" of law by government to resist evils. the one in charge to let them know is now in jail for covering up his perversions, Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. he was to watch out for us and did not.. Then Congress passed a rule to unconstitutionally 'gag' themselves to not mention, contact, or have a contractor testify . The media lays off researchers so they say the govt did this or that and never find out the contractor did it and name one of the near 200 shell companies and as many illegal secret deal partnerships and the SEC was defunded also to not be able to stop horrendous conflicts of interst that created total control of health care and other parts of the govt from local to federal which can do as it pleases. THE GOVT IS NOT SNOOPING BOUND BY LAWS NOT TO MISUSE DATA ON US. THIS CABAL IS SNOOPING AND CAN DO AS THEY PLEASE WITH OUR E MAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND CAMERAS AND MICROPHONES Judges and laws are not obeyed and new laws are designed to shuffle data so more contracts by more shell companies can be given AND NO ONE KNOWS WE ARE LIVING IN AN ILLUSION OF A GOVT OF , BY AND FOR THE OPEOPLE STILL WATCHING OUT FOR US. high level officials have written and begged Congress to be able to even check systems security which is now designed to steal for this cabal I am linking this article to my own site as even those of other faiths or no faith are reading what is in the Bible today. I began my own BlogSpot in 12/08 to track the rise of the 'beast system ' and the USA head is Lynn Blodgett named in writing and verbally by many in high power unable to do their jobs due to no money can be spent to stop massive thefts, deaths, and real evil. Its my personal struggle for life up against this beast and unraveling it which is more deadly than ever now for each and every one What occurred in the USA was repeated world wide and even the UN has monies missing through their contractors and NGO's going door to door in parts of the world asking those still in their homes if they wish to be a refugee? Linda Joy Adams

Could what we see in these two videos be the great red dragon?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=36Amn9OYjkQhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?list=TLiUDu1F0JgfwxNDA5MjAxNg&v=RgNLQ1mYsPEWithin the Stellarium software program, I set the time and location matching the time and location information given in the videos. The moon nor any other planets are near the area where the red object is. It looks to be a actual celestial object.

It seems to me like a lot still has to happen before we can get to the sixth seal. For instance, the Gog/Magog war, and the appearing of the antichrist and the two witnesses. There are also a signifiant number of Muslims coming to know Jesus. While I long for Jesus' return, I just don't see how the timing works for next September for a possible rapture, although we sure can't know, according to the Scriptures. I say this on the eve of the U.S. elections. Maybe war is fixing to start in the Middle East after the election.

Midpoint of the seven-year tribulation. That would mean we are already in it now. And that would mean a post trib rapture.

That didn't seem to be the gist of what I read above, it sounded like a pre-trib position here. Okay. Thanks for the clarification. I was more interested really in your signs in the heavens discussion. Thanks again.

Not post-trib, it is the pre-wrath view in which the rapture occurs after the opening of Seal 6. The rapture is the first event of the Day of the Lord 1 and 2 Thes), the moon is turned to blood before Day of the Lord (Acts 2:20) Therefore rapture after moon turned to blood, moon is turned to blood after the opening of Seal 6, thus rapture after opening of Seal 6.

One thing is unarguable: Rev. 12:1-2 is going to appear in the skies above Jerusalem at dusk on 23 September 2017. This date is a "peg" upon which we can hang the rest of the book of the Apocalypse to be warned what will occur next, but in geopolitical events we cannot now forsee. In fact, it is the only precise date given in the New Testament ! I start counting the beginning of 7 years of worldwide crisis from then; (we haven't seen anything yet, just "wars and rumors of wars".) I expect gradually increasing hell on earth (due to secular humanist civil laws everywhere enforcing the Apostasy, what I call the "institutionalization of the Sin against the Holy Spirit": society calling good evil, and evil good; which is getting daily worse. Pray to stand fast in your faith when the sword is put to your throat to deny God. . . .

We must each be prepared to take up our cross and in faith follow our Master to Calvary, and to be martyred for our faith, rather accept the mark of the beast; or to join the "one world religion" decreed by the UN & the NWO whose president is the antichrist; and not to count on being delivered in the rapture, for we may well be killed for our faith before then.

Did you know that the Roman Catholic church had declared a "Jubilee year of mercy, 2015-2016, which ended on the Feast of Christ the King, which ended 20 November 2016. Jupiter enters the womb of the constellation Virgo on 30 November. After Mercy, --Justice begins.

Red Dragon is a Pulsar in Virgo. It is orbited by 3 second generation planets. What this alignment means, is anyone guess. One thing I am sure of is that the Vatican is seat of Anti-Messiah. Nations the Pope has visited have been conquered by the Vatican symbolically. Example USA. All nations will serve the Vatican, and the Levant will be seized by the Vatican Crown Corporation.

The signs truly tell the story of the coming of the messiah, but it will be as a thief in the night, and most will not know it even happened. God's ways are not mans ways, and we cannot even begin to understand how it works. But one thing is for sure, every word of the prophets will be eventually fulfilled, either in this existence or the next. We talk about the lifting up, but does it say where they will be put? And will they know they have been preserved?

the chakra point of the earth changes from east to west. next place is china. there is a hopi prophecy of a red star kaCHINA.. this says its a red dragon.... china worships red dragons... the king out the womb is prince charles this symbolizes the queens death

there was a warning when shoemaker commets struck the heel of Jupiter in 1996 I think... I think that will be the trajectory the new stellar body strikes Jupiter on 23 Sep 17...it will take about 7 years for the broken bits to reach the earth and I assume it will look like a dragon with horns as it approaches the earth. I find it also interesting that the Jewish peoples are getting ready to build the third temple.. this is also the year that the Jews will take something back....(temple mount) Great wars and devastating earth impacts will be the beginning of the new for all mankind.

The sign also appeared near the time of the birth of Christ. This time around I believe the antichrist will be "born" onto the world scene. So not a physical birth but an evil spiritual birth. The antichrist birthing ceremony will include the destruction of the Hoover Dam.

The Holy Spirit will be present after the Christians are raptured in the two Jewish witnesses and the 144,000 Jews who will cover the earth witnessing to whoever will listen. The two Jewish witnesses will be killed at the midway point, but the 144,000 will continue as a witness throughout the Tribulation and The Day of the Lord. During that time, large numbers of people will come to know Jesus as the Messiah, particularly the Jewish people. 1/3 of all Jews will come to believe Jewish is the Messiah before our Lord's return, so of course, the Holy Spirit will be here in those who become believers in the Tribulation as well as the 144,000 Jews. Your Joel reference is not in conflict with this prevalent Biblical interpretation and, in fact, supports it.

On Stellarium, I wanna know when Jupiter exits out from between the woman's FEET, not just womb. I am wondering because of something I heard on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm1s93Iqro&t=0s

Dear sirs, I have had communion with a Cheribium Angel who confessed to me that Jesus is God's Christ come in the flesh, died for our sins and has risen in the flesh for our Justification. This proves that he is an Angel of the Lord as he was challenged as instructed of me by 1st John chapter 4 verses 1 through 3. Angels are not Jinni and this one has made me search very hard to find these dates the which he confirmed and gave me some information to the edification of the future church. Warning, Only those of strong faith will recieve this information. The only verification of what is written here that will be given is this scripture 1st Corinthians chapter 2 verse 13. This is a test of your faith. The Great Tribulation, the last 3 and 1/2 years before Christ comes back to rule, will begin on November 22 2065. This is the sign written in Revelation chapter 12 verses 1 and 2. Search it out. The Rapture will occur between September 22 and November 22 of 2065. It will be a 3 day process designed to save as many people from God's wrath as possible.1st day of the Resurrection - The dead in Christ will arise in full view and undeniable.2nd day of the Resurrection - Everyone who is of Christ 25 years and down, all innocent people ( mentally impaired ) and unborn children. God the father will not allow the innocent to suffer this wrath to come. This includes those who converted to Christ because of the Resurrection of the dead from the day before.3rd day of the Resurrection - Everyone 26 years and above in Christ and all of those who converted to Christ because of the witness of the previous 2 days of the Resurrection. There will be no heavenly sign for the Rapture and no angel or man knows the day or hour. There will be many converts during the Tribulation period but they will go through much suffering for the witness of Christ. There will be NO Children born to mankind during the tribulation period thank God the Father for his tender mercies for this. Search this out and edify anyone of the Church who has the Faith to accept this. Given in God's peace and Love towards the ones who love him.

I believe you all are taking this too literally when it is figurative. What we all need to learn is how to interpret symbols. Another thing is to keep all of Revelation 12 in context and not remove one or two verses. These verses summarize the entire life of Messiah from before his birth to his ascension. John was shown two signs...1. Israel as the Wife of Jehovah. The sun, moon and 12 stars are a;; common OT figures relating to Israel. Read Gen. 37:9-11 concerning Joseph's dream. The sun represents Jacob, who was renamed ISRAEL, representing the entire nation. Is. 40:227, 49:5 Jer. 30:10. The moon represents Rachael who represents all Jewish women of Israel especially motherhood. The 12 stars are the 12 tribes, Jacobs sons. Usually when the word STAR is used symbolically it means angel but in this case it refers to the tribes. VS 2 is the birth of Messiah, nothing to do with the church. Then John describes Satan, the Red dragon. 7 heads and 10 horns represent the final form of the Fourth Gentile Empire which is now...the times of the Gentiles, which is under satans control and authority. The 7 diadems point to a concept of conquest. Satan wrestled authority over the earth from man, and the Gentile empire wrestled authority from Israel. Vs 4 is Satan and demons trying to destroy the child by the slaughter of the babies of Bethlehem in matt. 2:16-18. Vs 5 points out the failure of Satan to destroy the child. The child survived until the proper time of his crucifixion when he willingly laid down his life for the sins of the world. The passages go on to explain how since Satan was unsuccessful in trying to destroy the Savior, he is now trying to destroy Israel. This has NOTHING to do with "signs in the modern day sky!" September 23, 2017 will come and go as usual. Yes, there may be some awesome things happening in the sky but it has NOTHING to do with rapture, tribulation, or anything else that man has made up. We are told that no one, not even the Son, knows the time or place when the church is removed. Yes, the believing church WILL be removed and all HELL will break loose. But no one knows when so we all must keep proclaiming the GOOD News that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is THE WAY< THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE and the only way to the Father. Anything else is irrelevant! Scripture twisting is unacceptable.

You are confused we are not talking about the rapture, we are talking about a sign in the sky which you can choose to acknowledge or spiritualize away. Yes some of scripture is symbolic but some is literal as evidenced with the same sign that appeared at the birth of Jesus.

I do not know when Jesus will come, you are typical of the many that are that think they are so high minded above everyone else and condemn others without having their facts straight.

The rapture occurs during the day of the Lord, the moon is turned to blood before the day of the Lord, the moon is turned to blood at Seal 6. The rapture occurs after Seal 6. I do not know when seal 6 will occur and thus do not know when the rapture will occur.

22 chapters long <> revelation. Jesus returns the very last line written. 22 years rumors of war follow the sign of revelation 12. The sign given Sept 2017 is a WARNING! And the warning is about the man of perdition coming (exactly 22 years) from the sign given in 2017. St. Bede nailed 2047 as the end of the 6000 years given for the business @ hand... So, between late 2039 early 2040, the contract to IsraEL is given, and all of U folks had better have your grand children's hiding places ready! Godspeed from Michael...

This is of course what Christians should be telling Jews. That their long awaited Messiah will sit on the Throne of the earth to Rule Planet earth for a thousand years. Islam will not like it. The very mention that a Jew will rule planet earth will cause a war. Donald Trump's actions to move America's embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will be less than "frosting on a cake". This event in the stars & the worldwide discussion is what will cause the Psalm 83, Jeremiah 49, Isaiah 17 WAR.

The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Revelation Chapter 12:1.

The content of the video "Apocalypse 12 and 13 REVEALS in the Stars" 1080p (Turn on English Subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhcoap_H9mQ&feature=youtu.be is really extraordinary, wonderful and surprising, because reveals how the angel sent by God to his servant John was based on the constellations to show us a summary of the War between Good and Evil.Now we know that this story was captured first in the stars!! And afterwards "in an illustrated book" too: Rev. 12 and Rev. 13.

Although Rev. 12 may seem to the Christians of today a lesson in history, it was not for the early Church of almost 2000 years ago, which suffered severe persecution on the part of Rome after the death of Yahshua. Nor was it for those who suffered and were killed during the papal Inquisition.

Let us begin...

With the video we can see that the tail of the Serpent (Serpens Cauda) is in a large group of stars in the Milky Way and this group of stars REPRESENTS the abyss. We also see that the Sagittarian Constellation SYMBOLIZES a king who is about to ascend from the abyss, according to Rev. 11:7 and 17:8; His name in Hebrew is Abaddon and, in Greek, Apollion, according to Rev. 9:11. And this king refers to John Paul II (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Eb0nMC3LY).

But the most important thing about this video is that the 12-star crown is made up of 2 (two) constellations: that of Coma Berenice (of Berenice's queen) which has 3 (three) stars and that of Leon (Israel's crown, The Tribe of Judah), which has 9 stars. Nothing says of the planet Jupiter inside the belly of the constellation Virgo. Nothing is said of the three planets, Mercury, Mars and Venus. Why? Because in both Rev. Chapter 12 and in Rev. Chapter 13 the apostle John saw images based only on CONSTELLATIONS! HE DIDN'T SEE ANY IMAGES based on PLANETS. This means that Rev. 12:5 has no relation to the planet Jupiter but to the constellation of Libra (the Scale means Justice and Judge) as is revealed in the recommended video.

So WHAT does the planet Jupiter that's circulating so much on the net TRULY represent? SATAN is behind this.

Let's keep going...

Once a year the sun lights up (dresses) the constellation Virgo. And every 12 years Jupiter passes through Virgo and every 83 years this planet makes a retrograde movement within the Virgo Constellation. And in all the months of September or October, it is common for the sun to appear in Virgo with the moon at its feet.What does this mean? THAT THE ONLY STRANGE next September 21, Feast of Trumpets, IS THE ALMOST PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF THE PLANETS VENUS, MARS AND MERCURY while the PLANET JUPITER leaves the womb of Virgo. It is a novel fact, never before recorded in all of history. But it turns out that Rev. 12 does not speak of any planet, nor of a planetary alignment. And curiously all this takes place during the hundredth anniversary of the apparitions of the "Woman in the Sun", the virgin of Fatima who "appeared" in the sky in 1917. Satan is plotting for this year, because this phenomenon of four (4) planets does not appear in Rev. 12.

Your theory is not correct. The sign of the woman clothed with the sun that occurred on 9/11/3 BC included some planets. Sign of the birth of Christ referred to in Rev 12.

"On that day the constellation Virgo was “clothed with the sun,” and the moon was under her feet. Above her head 3 planets—Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter—were in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo, Regulus was also in conjunction with Jupiter. This Regulus/Jupiter conjunction is what David Larson, mentioned above, believes is the famed Star of Bethlehem. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 planets aligning with Regulus make the crown of 12 stars."

The next sign of the woman clothed with the sun will occur on 9/23/2017 and will also include some planets. So to say that the sign will not occur on 9/23/2017 because planets are involved is not correct. The 3 BC one did and so will the 2017 one.

Rev 12 tells us that the 2017 sign will be followed by the antichrist and then after his 3.5 year reign--Jesus will come back to rule the earth.

The sign may or may not be accompanied by an event, but sometime after the sign is when the antichrist will rule. The sign may mark the beginning of the 70th week or near the midpoint.

Also with Google Sky there are those who speculate, using infrared, that NASA is hiding something in space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcNQRy79IrY&vl=en. Many believe that after September 23, the Comet 67P or the planet X - Nibiru will appear under the feet of Virgo as the great red "dragon" of Revelations 12. However, we already learned in the video mentioned at the beginning that God configured The dragon of Rev 12:3 around the Constellation Draco + Constellation Serpens Caput (head of the serpent and its 10 horns) + Constellation Corona Borealis (Crown of the North, with 7 heads and 7 crowns) + Serpens Constellation Tail (Snake Tail) to describe in a perfect way the scarlet dragon of Rev. 12:3: "And there appeared another sign in heaven: behold a great scarlet dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems;"

Something more to reveal ...

I was researching about the constellation "Coma Berenices" and I found that means "Berenice hair or Berenice hair". It is located west of the constellation Leo and near the head of the constellation Virgo.The star "Diadem" is the second brightest star in the constellation "Coma Berenices" and presumes to be the jewel in the crown of Queen Berenice. This is derived from the Greek διάδημα (dídēma) which can be translated as "band" or "fillet".The constellation Coma Berenices, interestingly, was not established as a constellation until the sixteenth century.At the time of the apostle John, Coma Bernenices was considered as part of the constellation Leo.The Greek astronomer Ptolemy considered Coma Berenices as an asterism in the constellation of Leo. It represented the plume at the end of the tail of the lion, and it was not until the sixteenth century that Berenice's hair was promoted to a constellation in its own right.

Asterism is a set of stars that seen from Earth appear to have a special arrangement or alignment in geometric form that are easily rememberable when evoking figures.

And finally ...

Let's not expect another dragon for after 9/23/2017, because If it appears another dragon in the sky would be by Satan to attempt against the Holy Scriptures and deceive many.

The apostle John saw a GREAT red dragon (as detailed in the video above) after seeing a woman dressed in the sun with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. But WE can see the two signs, Revelation 12:1 and Rev. 12:3 using current technology for several months before September 23, 2017 thanks to the video I quoted at the beginning or using the Stellarium program (http://stellarium.org/). With this free open source planetary program for computers we can see a realistic 3D sky.

The sign that will appear in the sky on September 23, 2017 is NOT the GREAT SIGN of Rev. 12:1 because no PLANETS appear in Rev. 12, nor in Rev. 13.Satan has CHANGED the constellation of Coma Berenice (of Queen Berenice) which has 3 stars for 3 (three) planets: Mars, Mercury and Venus. So why this CHANGE? So that we will ALSO accept the planet Jupiter as a symbol of the Messiah that is to come. But who is that Messiah? ...

The TRUTH is that the two astronomical SIGNS of Revelations Chapter 12 are part of a MEGA IMAGE that covers the most relevant events of all history from Genesis to Revelation, as I said at the beginning of this message: That message was first embodied in the stars!! And afterwards "in an illustrated book": Rev. Chapters 12 and 13.

Satan can soon use the event of September 23 next to deceive many. He knows how to twist the Holy Scriptures in the eyes of the world. That's why we say "CAUTION!" because the resurrection of John Paul II is at the gates!!..

Your theory is not correct. The sign of the woman clothed with the sun that occurred on 9/11/3 BC included some planets. Sign of the birth of Christ referred to in Rev 12.

"On that day the constellation Virgo was “clothed with the sun,” and the moon was under her feet. Above her head 3 planets—Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter—were in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo, Regulus was also in conjunction with Jupiter. This Regulus/Jupiter conjunction is what David Larson, mentioned above, believes is the famed Star of Bethlehem. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 planets aligning with Regulus make the crown of 12 stars."

The next sign of the woman clothed with the sun will occur on 9/23/2017 and will also include some planets. So to say that the sign will not occur on 9/23/2017 because planets are involved is not correct. The 3 BC one did and so will the 2017 one.

Rev 12 tells us that the 2017 sign will be followed by the antichrist and then after his 3.5 year reign--Jesus will come back to rule the earth.

The sign may or may not be accompanied by an event, but sometime after the sign is when the antichrist will rule. The sign may mark the beginning of the 70th week or near the midpoint.

The 12-star crown, TODAY, is composed by 2 (two) constellations: that of Coma Berenice (of Queen Berenice) which has 3 (three) stars and that of Leon (Israel’s crown, the Tribe of Judah) which has 9 stars.But let us remember that in the time of the apostle John, Coma Bernenices was considered part of the constellation Leo.And what did Satan do? First DIVIDED Leo constellation in 2 (two) parts; for what? To later REPLACE the constellation of Coma Berenice (of the queen Berenice) that has 3 (three) stars FOR 3 (three) planets: Mars, Mercury and Venus. But Satan makes the CHANGE in the minds of many people, not in heaven.

The MALE SON who was born is represented by the constellation of Libra, not by the planet Jupiter. The constellation of the Boyero symbolizes the MALE SON who will rule with IRON ROD TO ALL NATIONS. And the constellation Cepheus refers to the MALE SON when he was RUSHED FOR GOD AND HIS THRONE. Through these three constellations it is revealed to us that the SON MALE IS THE MESSIAH YAHSHUA: "And she gave birth to a son, who will rule with a rod of iron to all the nations, and his son was caught up to God and to his throne . "(Rev. 12:5)

God spoke to the apostle John about constellations, not MIXING constellations with planets.Satan is the one who MIXES.

The two signs in the sky of Rev. 12 aren”t for September 23, 2017 OR FOR ANY OTHER DATES IN PARTICULAR. Why? Because before our eyes "no constellation has changed place in the whole history of humanity." THE LOCATION of all the constellations in the time of the apostle John FOLLOWS THE SAME as of today. In two thousand years "they have not changed their position in space".

Stars do move in the sky and they do it at fantastic speeds! But they are so far away from planet Earth that our eyes do not perceive their movements. Therefore it is said that the constellations "do not change places" or "do not move" for our view.

In both antiquity and today, the human being has always been able to differentiate a star from a planet. But in the times of the apostle John astronomers didn’t know that the stars moved, only perceived the movement of the planets.

"A constellation, in astronomy, is a conventional cluster of stars whose position in the night sky is APPEARING unchanged." (https://es.)﻿

Something else to finish ...

"I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns; And on his horns ten diadems; And upon their heads a blasphemous name. "(Rev. 13:1)

Here the apostle John saw a beast configured by God around the Constellation Draco + the Constellation Serpens Caput (head of the serpent and its 10 horns) + the Constellation Corona Borealis (North Crown, with 7 heads and 7 crowns) + The constellation Serpens Cauda (serpent's tail) + the Lince Constellation (similar to a leopard) + the Constellation Big Bear (its feet like the bear's feet) + the constellation Leo Minor (its mouth as the lion's).

"And the beast that I saw was like to a leopard, and his feet like a bear's, and his mouth like a lion's ..." (Rev. 13:2)

Your theory is not correct. The sign of the woman clothed with the sun that occurred on 9/11/3 BC included some planets. Sign of the birth of Christ referred to in Rev 12.

"On that day the constellation Virgo was “clothed with the sun,” and the moon was under her feet. Above her head 3 planets—Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter—were in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo, Regulus was also in conjunction with Jupiter. This Regulus/Jupiter conjunction is what David Larson, mentioned above, believes is the famed Star of Bethlehem. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 planets aligning with Regulus make the crown of 12 stars."

The next sign of the woman clothed with the sun will occur on 9/23/2017 and will also include some planets. So to say that the sign will not occur on 9/23/2017 because planets are involved is not correct. The 3 BC one did and so will the 2017 one.

Rev 12 tells us that the 2017 sign will be followed by the antichrist and then after his 3.5 year reign--Jesus will come back to rule the earth.

The sign may or may not be accompanied by an event, but sometime after the sign is when the antichrist will rule. The sign may mark the beginning of the 70th week or near the midpoint.

The Gospels frame the birth of Yahshua at the time that the emperor Caesar Augustus orders a population census. This happens between years 8 and 6 BC.

Luc 2:1 AND it happened in those days that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, to take a census of all the people in his empire. Luc 2:2 This first census took place during the governorship of Quirinius in Syria. Luc 2:3 And every man went to be registered in his own city. Luc 2:4 Joseph also went up from Nazareth, a city of Galilee, to Judaea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; because he was of the house and family of David; Luc 2:5 With his acquired wife Mary, while she was with child, that they might be registered there. Luc 2:6 And it came to pass while they were there, that her days of deliverance were to be fulfilled.

Coinciding with the last years of King Herod. Died in 4 BC, the day of an eclipse of Luna. Two partial moon eclipses were recorded, on March 13 and September 5.

Mat 2:16 When Herod saw that he was insulted by the Magi, he was greatly enraged, so he sent forth and had all the infant boys in Bethlehem and in its suburbs killed, from two years old and down, according to the time that he had enquired from the Magi.

At that time (Of Mat 2:16), Yahshua would be 2 years old. Knowing the date when Herod died and in which he ordered to kill children under 2 years old shortly before his death, the date of Yahshua's birth would be 7 or 6 BC.

In 2008, a team of archaeologists from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem excavated hundreds of first-century corpses of children aged 0 to 2, coinciding with the Herod massacre.

In the year 7 a.C. There was a planetary conjunction (apparent approach in the sky of two or more planets), unusual. Jupiter walked almost just ahead of Saturn, up to 3 times in a short time, in the constellation of Pisces. The magicians would interpret this fact as: a great king (Jupiter) of Justice (Saturn) was born among the Jews (Pisces). The symbol of fish (Pisces) is associated with the ancient symbolism of Christianity and some scholars of the subject indicate that it comes precisely from the position of Jupiter and Saturn in this constellation, has even come to relate to the birth of the fisherman, Yahshua.

The arrival of the Messiah was expected, according to the prophets, and these signs indicated that the fact was happening, at least for the Magi of the east. Jupiter is the principal god and Saturn his father. What greater event could one ask for for the birth of the Messiah? And not once did the planets converge, but three. Kings, gods and fishermen, a symbology consistent with the appearance of a great figure, at least for those who waited for the Messiah.

Mat 2:9 When they had heard from the king, they went away; and behold, the same star that they had seen in the east was going before them, until it came and stood just above the place where the infant boy was.

The planet Jupiter moved slowly to the east in the year 7 BC until it stopped and soon began its path west.

The magicians followed the planets Jupiter and Saturn, since they move very slowly in the sky.

Said planetary conjunction or rapprochement between the two great planets, it is possible to reproduce it today with astronomy computer programs.

Let me add a footnote to Suzanne Singer’s report on the final journey of Herod the Great (Strata, BAR, March/April 2013): She gives the standard date of his death as 4 B.C. [Jesus’ birth is often dated to 4 B.C. based on the fact that both Luke and Matthew associate Jesus’ birth with Herod’s reign—Ed.] Readers may be interested to learn there is reason to reconsider the date of Herod’s death.

This date is based on Josephus’s remark in Antiquities 17.6.4 that there was a lunar eclipse shortly before Herod died. This is traditionally ascribed to the eclipse of March 13, 4 B.C.

Unfortunately, this eclipse was visible only very late that night in Judea and was additionally a minor and only partial eclipse.

There were no lunar eclipses visible in Judea thereafter until two occurred in the year 1 B.C. Of these two, the one on December 29, just two days before the change of eras, gets my vote since it was the one most likely to be seen and remembered. That then dates the death of Herod the Great into the first year of the current era, four years after the usual date.

Perhaps the much-maligned monk who calculated the change of era was not quite so far off as has been supposed.

John A. Cramer Professor of Physics Oglethorpe University Atlanta, Georgia

Hi, this alignment of stars has caused much stir and it is interesting. However, in my understanding, for me for this to be the significant sign of Revelation 12, we need to see the fulfilment of Revelation 11 first, the commencement of the building of the third Temple and the two witnesses who I believe will protect the building of it for 1,260 days.

I believe the woman in Rev 12 is going to bring to birth the 144,000 firstfruits, and that these ones are the two witnesses described in Rev 11. Things aren't always in precise chronological order. The verses regarding the seventh trumpet fits very well with the return of Christ for the main harvest. The two witnesses ascend into heaven during the sixth trumpet Rev 11:14 & Rev 8:13, hence they should be the firstfruits. Rev 14 only describes two parts to the harvest firstfruits and main harvest. This is also supported by 1Cor 15:23 (ignore punctuation put in by man) the firstfruits in Rev 14 are unto the Lamb (Christ) so firstfruits in 1 Cor 15:23 does not mean him.

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