Majority of top Protectors logs would disagree with that, they mostly all have ~80% NG uptime so I'd like to see your source of information. You'll generally be best off applying DoTs to new targets (that will live long enough) as long as you have NG active while firing off SS procs as you get them then focusing on cycling when you lose NG or run out of targets to DoT.

If I had said "don't sacrifice too much NG uptime for more dots" would that have been understood better? 80% is more than acceptable for fights like protectors. But I don't think something like 50% (which I see on a few protectors logs) is optimal.

If I had said "don't sacrifice too much NG uptime for more dots" would that have been understood better? 80% is more than acceptable for fights like protectors. But I don't think something like 50% (which I see on a few protectors logs) is optimal.

No it wouldn't because it's still not correct. What you're saying by not giving a clear instruction is that it's down to feel/individual's choice when it actually isn't. A better statement would have been, as I said, to only apply DoTs while NG is active and cycle otherwise.

I think you'd also find that people who get 50% NG uptime on protectors are probably getting just as bad uptime on every other fight regardless of targets.

Are there certain times when starsurge isn't worth using and by that I don't mean when dots take priority but when you would hold a shooting stars proc and risk having it overridden due to your position in eclipse?

So you're going to see a few randos in with top parses that have their highest damage on Protectors be starsurge. Usually this is just RNG or a very fast kill and doesn't mean you should be doing some of these things that Druidboii recommended. You should be able to maintain NG-buffed dots on all targets except during the bubble phase you'll either want to use the eclipse dot on all the despair adds (if they die very quickly you can ignore them or solar hurricane). Ever since Council of Elders in ToT I wanna say keeping NG buffed dots on as many targets as possible was a thing. Dots are a higher DPET than starsurge, starsurge only hits one target. Your damage breakdown should be dots first then starsurge very close to those. Not starsurge first. Especially if your kills are around 4minutes+

Fallen protectors.. i don't have a 100% solid strategy, but i like having eclipsed dot on everything, uneclisped on main target. I'll burn through my eclipse really fast, but i'll re-dot 1cast away from leaving eclipse sometimes. I'd like to give you more precise info, but i feel like my strat varies week to week... but i still managed to get #6 (Now 29) at a point so whatever! Locks will destroy you even if it's our best dps fight anyways

Fallen protectors.. i don't have a 100% solid strategy, but i like having eclipsed dot on everything, uneclisped on main target. I'll burn through my eclipse really fast, but i'll re-dot 1cast away from leaving eclipse sometimes. I'd like to give you more precise info, but i feel like my strat varies week to week... but i still managed to get #6 (Now 29) at a point so whatever! Locks will destroy you even if it's our best dps fight anyways

no. This has already been answered properly.

Originally Posted by Glurp

A better statement would have been, as I said, to only apply DoTs while NG is active and cycle otherwise.

Hey guys, I can't for the life of me figure out how to do decent damage on protectors 25 hc( and some others but let's start with this ) .

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4j859t28m5bb2a49/analyze/dd/source/?s=607&e=962<- Logs from our kill . I did 510k, which is pretty bad considering ranked limit is somewhere around 650k for the top 150, and my gear is decent (I THINK ).
Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Nalorn/simple

Inconsistency in NG gaps and low DoT time would make me think you're not using your DoTs properly. Read a few posts up for an explanation on how to handle DoTs for Protectors.

The method , namely keeping up both dots on all three targets is what I attempted to do on this. Many times however i found myself snapping out of NG and having to use a few wraths or starfires as the procs weren't consistent enough, not sure what's causing this tbh.

The method , namely keeping up both dots on all three targets is what I attempted to do on this. Many times however i found myself snapping out of NG and having to use a few wraths or starfires as the procs weren't consistent enough, not sure what's causing this tbh.

No you didn't. I randomly selected Rook and he had a 50% sunfire and moonfire uptime. Sun Tenderheart: 60%. He Softfoot also ~60% uptime and starsurge is your top damage which is really telling that you did poorly at keeping NG-buffed DoTs on all bosses. You might want to look into an addon to track this. For Protectors Shadowed Unit Frame's boss frames work great for tracking dots on the bosses and Fortexorcist still works really well for tracking dots on multiple targets. Make a weak aura for nature's grace push new eclipses when everything is fully dotted or NG buff is falling off.

For a 5minute kill your second set of cds should be in the bubble phase with despair spawns. Didn't check to see when you used yours however.

NG should be dropping off unless you get lucky procs, the problem I see with your log is massive inconsistencies with how long NG drops for each time. Generally if you are properly following the right priority the downtime between NGs should be reasonably consistent.

How do you approach the intermission phase of sun ? Dot the 2 adds outside + 2 other bosses?

Just dot everything that will live for longer than 10 seconds. So for the first set of transitions DoT Misery, Sorrow, Gloom, Despair, Desperation, and Anguish. If for w/e reason you're not pushing the bosses together, dot anything listed above as well as the bosses.

So after getting a few more pieces I headed to the training dummy, and I am doing around 175k~ dps over 10 minutes single target, self buffed, is that ok for my gear or am I doing something hideously wrong? Using incarnation/HOTW for it.

Simcraft tells me that Nature's Vigil is a dps increase on singletarget and cleave (3~ targets) over HotW. Accurate? Most places says otherwise. Is the DoC playstyle a noteable gain? Played it on Galakras a while ago and it did do a bit more damage compared to previous attempts, even though I fucked up a few times.

This is the results I get on singletarget sims:
HotW: 318542 DPS
DoC: 318944 DPS
NV: 319629 DPS

So I've been wondering what the best way to refresh your eclipsed dot is when you are not under the influence of any trinkets or meta gem procs. That being said, if i refresh moonfire at say 0 energy heading towards lunar with no buffs, should i refresh it right as I enter lunar eclipse or let it tick out and try to fish for some type of buff before refreshing it (all while still in lunar eclipse).