Not that I have any sway here, but it seems the problem is the structure of examples instead of listing the pet and explaining how it meets the criteria it is more like it is just a place to complain about the character. I suggest changing the examples to be more like this

Show

Character name

How it meets the criteria "Hated by fans"

How it meets the criteria "Loved by creators"

How it meets the criteria "in important scenes"

How it meets the criteria "Talked up by other characters.

Keep in mind I am not saying do this, but that it seems like a good way to solve the problem.

Dulcy may still count, most fans admit not being fond of her, or apathetic to her at best. She breaks some mythos of the show a little, appears randomly and is tolerated and liked by everyone in-universe dispite being nearly as incompetent as Butt-Monkey Antoine. Her only break from the trope may be she isn't actually all that involved in the show (yeah Rotor and Bunnie appear less, but that seems more due to the below example) though she makes a token appearance in nearly episode and also has A Day in the Limelight. Ben Hurst (who wrote most of the episodes following her debut) also admited to being fond of her.

Sally Acorn is a borderline example, since she was Hurst's favorite, took up a ridiculous of spotlight and utilities from other characters and was starting to gain Canon Sue traits. However since she is more polarizing with fans and still has a plausible fandom, she may count more as just a Spotlight-Stealing Squad.

Mr Krabs may also be a more straight example. He takes up a lot of episodes nowadays and most of the time I hear from a Spongebob fan about him, it's usually about what an unbearable Jerk Ass he's become.

He is Ash's main rival in the Sinnoh region. He recycles most of Gary's character arc (dismissive of Ash, wins their early confrontations, starts to treat him better once Ash starts proving himself late in the region), but considerably more no-nonsense.

He is also representative of "Stop Having Fun" Guys. He values Pokemon that prove themselves and is dismissive of those that don't, to the point of giving some of them away. This comes to a head in his treatment of Chimchar, an initially weak combatant with the impressive trait to become incredibly strong when sufficiently injured. He sees potential in this and attempts to harness this without success... usually by making Chimchar injured first. This is definitely a Kick the Dog situation for him, and Ash and other characters call him out for it. Some consider it to be crossing the Moral Event Horizon.

The show treats him as a rival and as a successful trainer regardless of his methods. Champion Cynthia repeatedly states her opinion that Ash and Paul will both grow stronger and learn from each other as they continue to interact.

Paul loses in the end, defeated by the very same Chimchar he cast off. He is disappointed but acknowledges that Ash earned the victory, and departs on good terms. He does not receive a crushing loss that destroys his worldview and there isn't much in the way of schadenfreude. His change in personality, where it exists, is subtle and attention isn't called to it.

Current head writer Atsuhiro Tomioka has acknowledged that Paul is one of his favorite characters.

Here's the problem. Paul has a fandom. He also has a hatedom. The hatedom, naturally, thinks the fandom is insane. At least one member has repeatedly removed comments defending Paul from this wiki. He has wound up on all the Scrappy and Creators Pet pages as a result, and it should be noted that a search on Atsuhiro Tomioka's name on this site will result in nothing but complaints about how he likes Paul to the point where he refuses to acknowledge that he's more of an antagonist than a rival, sometimes followed by criticism of the other characters on the show for refusing to treat him like a disgrace to Pokemon training.

I don't know if this qualifies him as a Creator's Pet or not. He's liked by the creator, he has a hatedom, and he has a reputation among them as a Karma Houdini for the things he did wrong. But at the same time, he also has a fandom, and despite them often being added to Wall Banger and DMOS, his episodes are actually popular among most of the show's viewers even if they don't like him. I don't think a Broken Base situation can qualify as Creator's Pet, can it?

Thta is an interesting question that you have brought on. Personally, I would feel that not putting him on the Creator's Pet page is the best solution as...well, can one really be a Scrappy if one is a popular AND hated character?

Kate from Lost. Not necessarily to dispute her being a pet of the creators, just that the reasons given ("pretty much entirely to be part of a love triangle") are actually true. I don't really recall the love triangle really taking hold until season 2, or even 3, and that seemed to stop after Sawyer jumped through time and Jack and Kate were rescued after season 4.

And oh god, regardless of if it's valid, the World of Warcraft bullets are all over the place.

Exposition Fairy characters and Super Mario Sunshine's FLUDD. Are they even acknowledged as characters outside of maybe the beginning?

The Final Fantasy XI example just sounds like "a difficult side-boss".

And did Homestar Runner's Crack Stuntman really appear in many episodes?

Also regarding Stuntman, he doesn't seem to fit "talked up by other characters" OR "being put into big scenes". On a nearly weekly updating website he's appeared in (not counting episodes where his "character" Gunhaver appears) four episodes over two years, plus a fairly brief voiceover (as himself) in two other episodes.

I for one wouldn't say Babs is a Scrappy, she gets plenty of fanart and at most fans have mixed opinions about her like a lot of characters in the show. She hasn't quite reached Ensemble Darkhorse status (surprising, I know), but I can think of a few characters (from what I can tell, anyways) that are less liked (Prince Blueblood, Twist, the teenage dragons from "Dragon Quest")

The only character to really praise her is Apple Bloom, who calls her "my favorite cousin!" in "Apple Family Reunion". The whole point of "One Bad Apple" was ultimately the two becoming friends. This is more continuity than pointless shilling.

Loved (or worshipped) by the writers

This is hard to determine. I haven't read enough tweets and interviews for me to be convinced that the writing staff thinks Babs is the best character ever. Especially since she's only been in two episodes, which leads us to...

Again, she's only been in two episodes. The first was her debut episode in which she's the main conflict (and pulls a Heel–Face Turn at the end). The second episode is "Apple Family Reunion". Her debut episode established her as an Apple cousin, so she was expected to attend the Family Reunion. Now, there were some (including myself) who were a little disappointed that another Apple cousin, Braeburn (who debuted in a Season 1 episode, and didn't appear again until this episode), didn't get any speaking lines where as Babs did. However, there's a couple of logical reasons for this.

One, both Babs Seed's debut episode "One Bad Apple" and "Apple Family Reunion" were by the same writer Cindy Morrow. Braeburn's episode "Over a Barrel" was written by someone else. It makes sense for Morrow to take the opportunity to flesh out the character she herself wrote the debut episode for.

The other main reason is that ultimately, Babs Seed is a supporting character for Apple Bloom, one of the main characters and a Kid-Appeal Character. Indeed, Babs spends the entirety of "Apple Family Reunion" at AB's side. Babs doesn't have more screentime in the episode to give Babs more screentime, she has more screentime to give Apple Bloom more screentime.

Are there any arguments defending Crack Stuntman in Homestar Runner as this? Going by "The Next Epi-Snowed", he's certainly not talked up by anyone, and his role is even unceremoniously replaced. His only other real interaction on the website (i.e. not talking to the audience) is in "original", and that ends with Strong Bad groaning.

Definitely remove Crack. It's actually a recurring joke in the cartoons that nobody but him likes him because he's such a spotlight-hog.

I'd also argue against Crow Hogan. He has loads of fans (though in a fandom that large I'm not sure if they outnumber the haters or not), and they can even be found on sites that generally dislike the series as a whole. As well, there's pretty strong evidence that he was originally intended to be a one-arc character, and that his increased prominence came from the card game executives once his deck became an Ensemble Darkhorse in the real-life game.

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