Comment by Nulgar

Comment by gotgame1996

Defender of a Shattered World is such a way neater title than Champion of the Frozen Wastes. Just my opinion though.

Comment by Oakenshadow

Friggin awesome title - can't wait until i get this one.

Comment by vinipl87

Am i the only one annoyed by how this achievement's criteria lists every Cataclysm heroic dungeon achievement instead of simply stating this + those 3 raids? Same thing for the old equivalent.

Comment by zomg5

now i gotta have to earn both this and the bloodthirsty title

Comment by Tyelcaner

Interestingly enough you do not need to have killed Heroic Lady Sinestra to get this achievement.

Does that mean the Dragonslayer title will be worth more to PVEers over Defender of a Shattered World?

Comment by Harvey247

I wouldn't say that, considering the difficulty of only the normals.

Comment by muffinz10

I wouldn't say that, considering the difficulty of only the normals.

You either haven't been playing for very long or you are not very astute.

Pre nerfs.

Normal mode Lich King wasn't exactly a face roll for the top guilds at first, was it? Now Kingslayer is just as common as CotFW was. Not to mention the fact that they were facing him in very current gear, unlike raiders are currently.

This WILL be the CotFW of Cata, and yes, everyone will have it.

Comment by Gandazar

Even though some top end guild have a few heroics under their belts, if you can get it pre T12

Top guilds? A few heroics? T12? Even the two characters I have in one of the worst realms in the world (in terms of progression, anyway) had all the heroics within 3 days of reaching the required ilevel, all done in random PUGs.

The raid part of this achievement might require guild groups (and an average ilevel around 350) for now (since a couple of jerks / noobs / squishies can screw things up in PUGs), but the heroics should be trivial for anyone who bothers to learn the tactics.

Comment by ssjheero

You are required to have unlocked all of the heroics to get this achievement, and this is why: you need to clear normals to unlock heroics. Therefore, if some guilds have all heroics unlocked, they cleared all of the raids and earned the achievement. His statement, in essence, meant that "while some guilds already have this title, it will be a while until everyone has it".

Comment by Silverado

Downing at LEAST Nefarian requires skill from all 10 players, this won't be easy to come by as CotFW was in Wrath. Don't compare anything in Wrath to anything in Cataclysm. Coming from someone who has downed Kael and Vashj pre-nerfs and everything up till Mu'ru I can safely say this title will not easily be obtained even when Valor gear (currently) becomes purchasable with Justice Points.

Just like LK, doesn't matter what your gear is...defile doesn't care and CAN and WILL wipe raids that don't know how to be not a little brain dead. :)

Comment by Dieoxide

Unless the title becomes a Feat of Strength, it will never beat "Champion of the Naaru"! Oh the good ole' days of Burning Cursade ...

Comment by toob

Also, like the Undying. Which I'm most proud of of having (since I was in a 10man guild at that time).

Comment by Mitbrandir

there is no way you can compare this achievement to something like kingslayer. Lk normal was a faceroll after a while - altho he wasnt easy the first times you came there - but still , i dont think Nefarian is easier. You could pug nearly every in Icc25 heroic in the end of wotlk. I have done that aswell , now i have done pugged Nefarian with same group , and i wouldnt say Lk was harder to kill , altho we're doing 10 man and nearly everybody is of a high raid guild , but just on alts.

Comment by ofunearth

God Al'akir is RNG BS - but we downed him. And now, I have the title to go along with it. Hurah!

Comment by barbeque

This title requires completing all the first-tier Cataclysm 5-man heroics (excluding Zul'Aman and Zul'Gurub, which can be considered the second-tier ones), as well as all 3 raids (Bastion of Twilight, Blackwing Descent and Throne of the Four Winds) in normal mode.

Progression-wise, Bastion of Twilight is generally considered the simplest raid on normal difficulty. This is followed by Throne of the Four Winds and finally Blackwing Descent. On normal, Nefarian is generally regarded to be the most difficult encounter of the tier, although some may argue that Al'akir is also very challenging.

With patch 4.2, all 3 of these raids will recieve a 20% nerf on normal mode. This means the raid bosses will have 20% less hp and do 20% less damage. In addition, some mechanics have been simplified. This will allow a larger number of players to experience this content. This will be especially important in the future, since it has been announced that having this title will be a pre-requisite for obtaining the legendary caster staff in 4.2.

Comment by bexan

Actually, come 4.2 and valor gear becoming justice gear, everyone will be getting this because of the massive nerfs hitting all normal raids, simplifying tactics, lowering health and damage.

Comment by Hinura

This really should have been taken out when the 2nd tier of raids came in the game... Not only because you can out gear BoT, To4W and BWD with FL gear but it got hit with the nerf bat really hard when FL came out too. its just a big loot chest as it is...Now that people can get the title blindfolded and with both hands tied behind their back, this title means nothing.