What will it take for China to realize that their puppet is out of control and activate their agents to take Kim out locally? I really don't worry about his missiles, it would be the placement of a weapon inside a shipping container that could cost us a west coast port city.ET Phone Home

What will it take for China to realize that their puppet is out of control and activate their agents to take Kim out locally? I really don't worry about his missiles, it would be the placement of a weapon inside a shipping container that could cost us a west coast port city.

Agree that a China 'involvement' would be the best and least risky course of action.

The problem I see with most advocating a Pro Action or a Pro Negotiation position, is this: A failure to understand, or a refusal to acknowledge, that their position may lead to unimaginable disaster.

The present 'situation' regarding what to do about Maniac Kim. Fills me with the greatest dread.Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

The problem I see with most advocating a Pro Action or a Pro Negotiation position, is this: A failure to understand, or a refusal to acknowledge, that their position may lead to unimaginable disaster.

Disagree

I think everyone realizes and are scared to their very core at the prospect of the level of devastation both industrial, and human that is possible/probable. If not they are lying to themselves. At this point it is a pragmatic choice of the current level possible or the level after King Ding Dong perfects and increases his Nuke arsenal and delivery system.

Don't rule out Chinese invasion of DPRK if Num Nutz does indeed test a nuke missile in the Pacific.........as a negotiated alternative to a US counter strike.

If not. Understand that a Surgical Strike to 'remove' his ability to murder millions. May result in the destruction of South Korea, before his eventual defeat, by a North Korean conventional military response. The North Korean Military does have that capability.Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Ri Yong Ho called the American leader “a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency” with his finger on the “nuclear button” and declared: “None other than Trump himself is on a suicide mission.”

And he told world leaders on Saturday: “In case innocent lives of the U.S. are lost because of this suicide attack, Trump will be held totally responsible.”

Well, IMHO whatever moral upper hand that the U.S. has in this is being lost because POTUS either deliberately wants to start a war by goading Kim into one or some other reason (ego and lack of self-control are often mentioned.)

If the official conclusion is that Kim really is "deranged" then shouldn't he be treated as such, ie likely to do something rash in a state of rage that he and millions of other people who have no stake in this game will regret forever? This is not how to talk to "deranged" people with nuclear weapons, and unfortunately we had too many warnings that POTUS' lack of diplomatic experience and familiarity only with sole proprietorships where his word was unquestionable would lead to this.

My $0.02 of the day. :^(“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”--- Margaret Mead

Well, IMHO whatever moral upper hand that the U.S. has in this is being lost because POTUS either deliberately wants to start a war by goading Kim into one or some other reason (ego and lack of self-control are often mentioned.)

If the official conclusion is that Kim really is "deranged" then shouldn't he be treated as such, ie likely to do something rash in a state of rage that he and millions of other people who have no stake in this game will regret forever? This is not how to talk to "deranged" people with nuclear weapons, and unfortunately we had too many warnings that POTUS' lack of diplomatic experience and familiarity only with sole proprietorships where his word was unquestionable would lead to this.

My $0.02 of the day. :^(

My $0.02

If Kim is deranged and more importantly stupid. Then nothing will either stop him from... Or force him to... Any 'appeasement' will only confirm that his beliefs are correct.

Trump is not my idea of a good President. But he is absolutely correct when understanding a Kim/Hitler type. As the Pre WWII UK's 'Warmongers' understood.

Perhaps it takes one to understand one :)Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

I doubt that anything would stop him from developing a nuclear arsenal, yes. But given that he has a dictator-sized massive ego, he may be goaded into using it by being insulted or challenged whereas he would not have otherwise.

It's hypocritical to both claim he is deranged and simultaneously goad him as if he wasn't. Now all we can do is hope that he really isn't.“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”--- Margaret Mead

I doubt that anything would stop him from developing a nuclear arsenal, yes. But given that he has a dictator-sized massive ego, he may be goaded into using it by being insulted or challenged whereas he would not have otherwise.

It's hypocritical to both claim he is deranged and simultaneously goad him as if he wasn't. Now all we can do is hope that he really isn't.

The real problem. We don't know.

Ay, there's the rub!Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Nuke tipped missiles are only one of the threats Limp Duc Fat has, possibly even more heinous is the stock of chemical WMD. (Possibly Sadam's 'disappeared' stock).
And what biological agents does he possess? Can the World REALLY just take a wait and see position?

Nuke tipped missiles are only one of the threats Limp Duc Fat has, possibly even more heinous is the stock of chemical WMD. (Possibly Sadam's 'disappeared' stock).
And what biological agents does he possess? Can the World REALLY just take a wait and see position?

With no exit path everything Kim has will soon be headed at the west. Kim must be given an exit path. Failure to give Kim an exit path is suicide. An exit path is not a repeat of Iraq.tRump's failure is to see that an absence of a exit path is suicide. tRump wants moral points more than a solution. tRump plays that game with health care too. tRump has to be dead right, dead being the operative word.