It's hard for me to imagine the figure being that high. I surmise that a large part of that figure is verbal abuse after drinking. There is a fair element of frustration and unrest and it could manifest itself that way. It needn't be solely physical abuse.

It never ceases to amaze me how exaggerated these sorts of figures are. In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence.

It never ceases to amaze me how exaggerated these sorts of figures are. In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence.

I was addressing Polish women's problem, not the worldwide problem.

ZIMMY:

Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence.

there is nothing in this thread that states that. Perhaps you should open a new thread.

there is nothing in this thread that states that. Perhaps you should open a new thread.

That thread notes that female domestic violence exists in large numbers, in fact equal to men's domestic violence. "DV" is big business here in the U.S.A. It is driven by feminists with an anti-male agenda. More and more people are getting sick-and-tired of their one-sided presentations. Here is the answer to your inquiry.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html"Politically correct feminists maintain that women as a class are politically oppressed by men as a class, which means that every woman is oppressed by every man. Class oppression is the ideological lens through which PC feminism views all issues."

And how about this?"1971, Pizzey opened the first battered wives shelter in England, which she ran until 1982. Arguably, the Chiswick Family Rescue was the second domestic violence shelter in the world. Pizzey's book "Scream Quietly or the Neighbours Will Hear" (1974, out of print) was one of the first to explore and expose wife battering.

Today, the shelter Pizzey founded denies her entry; her name does not appear in its official history.

Pizzey's 'mistake' was to diverge from the theory of domestic violence that feminists at the time insisted dominate all discussion. She believed that men could also be the victims of domestic violence, and that women could be as violent toward their partners as men."

And that Feminoteka, as a side note, I never heard about them so I checked. Pretty radical group at times.

pretty educated, well informed and intelligent group as well. Anything to do with feminism in Poland is seen as pretty radical I think, which doesn't lessen their contribution to bringing to light and making the public aware of important issues in Polish society.

Regardless, their page has a lot of interesting information.

z_darius:

They also seemed to support Oriana Fallaci with her criticism of multicultural Europe and pretty strong criticism of Islam.

in what sense and what aspect of her criticism do they agree with?

I am not the biggest fan of Oriana since I believe that her illness effected her judgement and her journalistic objectivity gave a way to personal opinions.

Figures put male domestic abuse in Scotland at around 12% Figures and you are right - they are under represented.therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2008/12/shameful-scottish-government-wilfully-ignores-male-domestic-abuse-victims-in-scotland-over-christmas.html

In the U.S. and in England women's groups would have you believe that every man is an abuser. Conversely, they deny existence of female domestic violence.

they do? can you prove it Zimmy? I personally doubt it for many reasons. First, their hands are full with domestic abuse against women, which has nothing with denial really.

ZIMMY:

That's typical and proves the point how one-dimentional the "DV" industry is.

there is no industry. Those are real issues.

In my personal life I have witnessed: one friend coming with a black eye to the gym, family member being abused by her husband for years, drove a women form my dormitory to the hospital after being raped during the party, mother of my friend who stayed with my parents after her husband chased her down the street at night and she ended up a number times with a broken nose and bones, a woman I was sharing teh apartment with years ago whose husband raped her, so she found an abusive boyfriend, who I had to chase away.

I really don't go out of my way to find those women. They are my friends, family members and people I have met. So far it has been to close to home.

Check this out. Just read the last sentences of these numerous studies.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

So the question is; why is domestic violence against women always the issue?Here's your answer from my previous link. A couragious woman named Erin Prizzey wrote a book about it;

"When viewed through the PC lens of class oppression, domestic violence is not an act of violence committed by one individual against another. It is an act committed by men that must be correctly understood within the larger context of women's class oppression.

"[i]Prone to Violence" spelled out some of Pizzey's disagreements with that view.

Disagreement #1: Of the first 100 women who entered Chiswick, Pizzey found that over 60 percent were as violent or more violent than the men they were fleeing. In short, a significant percentage of the women were also batterers or otherwise active participants in the violence.

Disagreement #2: Pizzey developed the theory that many battered women were psychologically drawn to abusive relationships and they sought them out. To PC feminists, such analysis was tantamount to 'blaming the victim.'

Disagreement #3: She explained why the existing model of domestic violence shelters was ineffective. PC feminists were attempting then (and now) to secure ever greater financing for these operations. Sandra Horley, director of Chiswick in 1992, reportedly complained, "if we put across this idea that the abuse of men is as great as the abuse of women, then it could seriously affect our funding."[/i]

yes, but not as violent as the ones done to women. Women are verbally abusive, or use manipulation rather than violence, or just ignore their partners. I have never heard, nor witnessed physical abuse towards males yet. It doesn't mean it is not happening.

Excerpts: "Mapping the full extent of the domestic-violence industryis not easy, because it's a cottage-industry, spread out in hundreds of places. State and federal money goes to well over a hundred institutes, clinics, programs for counseling or outreach or coordination or training, computer databases, coalitions, shelters, PR agencies and other "

and there is this:"The truth about violence in the home is that it's pretty much a 50-50 thing. Respected [i]social scientists Murray A. Straus and David Gelles have been publishing research for years that shows the standard Only-Men-Batter story--probably visible on a billboard near you -- just doesn't match reality.Women and men attack each other about equally in the home. Solid research now shows that women begin the physical fighting in their homes about half the time. Equally solid research shows that mothers are responsible for 65 per cent of physical abuse of children.[/i]

I'll tell you what's depressing. People with an agenda. They fail to tell the 'full truth' because it is counter-intuitive to their bias. Of course men don't tell women or even other men they are battered. They "take it like a man" etc. Studies like the Feibert studies [csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm] expose the truth to the light of day. But they are for 'objective' people only.

By the way, some topics are "depressing". That's the nature of humanity.

mensnewsdaily.com/2008/12/01/domestic-violence-industry-hateful

Excerpts:

"In the United States, Dr. Suzanne Steinmetzâ™ research on the Battered Husband Syndrome triggered a whispering campaign designed to torpedo her impending promotion, as well as a bomb threat at her daughters wedding.

Family violence researcher Murray Straus at the University of New Hampshire has been similarly slandered, harassed, and threatened by radicals who all claim to be against violence.

Eventually the gender partisans got their way, securing passage of the Violence Against Women Act in 1994. Conservative commentator Phyllis Schlafly would later refer to the legislation as the hate-men law."

How about this?

"A former worker at Bethany House in Falls Church, Va. revealed the facility was largely used as a free hostel for women with emotional problems if they were willing to hate their husbands enough." One woman, hired to work for a network of shelters in the St. Louis area, quit in disgust after only a few months because the residents âœwere subjected to a constant barrage of man-hating lesbian propaganda.

an article in Polish language stating that around 800 thousand Polish women are victims of domestic abuse.

Thanks for posting this Miranda. I have seen two examples of girlfriend battering in my time in Poland and while I can accept that couple fall out and sometimes they fight, the factor that sets Poland apart from many other countries is the official attitude toward it. One of these victims was hospitalised with concussion when her boyfriend bahed her backwards into a wall during an argument. The police refused to get involved unless the injury warranted more than 7 days in hospital - it's entirely possible for a relationship to include chronic and persistent 'low level' battery and still be legal in the eyes of the state,

True, women do batter men as well and I would like to see statistics on this, although given Poland's strongly fixed gender roles, I doubt many men would be presenting themselves at a safe house after their wife threatens them with a knife. The feeling of failure would be crushing considering the emphasis placed in the sanctity of "The Family" as a cornerstone of Polish society.

I don't want to go too far off topic here but it's funny how all the concerned people who flock to the Jordanian-bashing thread on the basis of a murder are also disputing the facts about the institutionally-accepted violence going on on their own doorstep.

All this shows is that 800 thousand women deserved a good beating!!...

a silly comment on your part.

MrBubbles:

the factor that sets Poland apart from many other countries is the official attitude toward it.

very true. I find that a lot of people ignore it and the police stand on that is very unclear. How badly does one have to be beaten up to classify for abuse?

MrBubbles:

it's entirely possible for a relationship to include chronic and persistent 'low level' battery and still be legal in the eyes of the state,

good point.

MrBubbles:

The feeling of failure would be crushing considering the emphasis placed in the sanctity of "The Family" as a cornerstone of Polish society.

another good point.

MrBubbles:

I don't want to go too far off topic here but it's funny how all the concerned people who flock to the Jordanian-bashing thread on the basis of a murder are also disputing the facts about the institutionally-accepted violence going on on their own doorstep.