I think it's the least cost-effective idea when weighed against potential benefits. Haven't even seen a real thorough cost-benefit analysis of any of the proposed funding amounts needed to acquire land, construct it, staff it with security forces, and maintain it across all 2,000 miles.---

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.---

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.---

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

Its at a forty year low, sorry that you hate facts ---

If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

And, also, like I said, most people aren't coming into this country by crossing the border. Traveling through Mexico is very dangerous. There are much easier, safer and faster means of coming into the US.---

Given that it won't stop individuals who overstay their visas, or stop businesses from illegally hiring people without documentation to work in the U.S...it isn't enough to solve the entirety of illegal immigration for how much financial, infrastructural and labor capital is needed to build it.---

No, it's colossally dumb. Even if you buy into the notion that there's a security crisis at the border (notable: illegal crossings are about 1/3 of the level they were at during the Bush Jr. administration), there are far more cost-effective ways to deal with that. A wall is pretty much the least efficient, least effective means of securing the border and there's a reason why even anti-immigration Republican lawmakers are generally non-supportive of it.---

Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster.Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!

It's like someone getting into someone's computer or breaking into someone's house. Great antivirus or home security will deter or prevent most people, but if they really want to get in, they will.

Same with the wall. It'll "help" keep other people out, but it's an expensive solution to a larger issue, such as helping or providing ways to get people started on the track to legal immigration. Additionally, this $5 billion that Trump wants, will supposedly only build a larger portion of the wall, but not all of it. And what happens after it's built? How much money will it take to maintain and patrol the wall?

It's like someone getting into someone's computer or breaking into someone's house. Great antivirus or home security will deter or prevent most people, but if they really want to get in, they will.

Same with the wall. It'll "help" keep other people out, but it's an expensive solution to a larger issue, such as helping or providing ways to get people started on the track to legal immigration. Additionally, this $5 billion that Trump wants, will supposedly only build a larger portion of the wall, but not all of it. And what happens after it's built? How much money will it take to maintain and patrol the wall?

Maintenance on a structure that size is usually about 5-20% of its value per year, so between $250 million and $1 billion a year, every single year, just for that one section.

Your analogy of a computer is a good one. To expand on it, Trump's wall is like protecting your computer from viruses by hiring someone to come into your house every day, log on to your computer and manually look through all the files to check if anything malicious has been added. It's technically better than being completely unprotected, but it's also ridiculously expensive and grossly inefficient given that better options are available.---

Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster.Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

There is no proposed border wall. Is it a fence? A wall? Metal spikes? Who the fuck knows there is no proposal he just keeps asking for more and more of our money without being able to tell anyone what it is for.

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

What we, American Taxpayers, want is for you to get off your ass and get a job.

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

Seeing people with no contacts, little to no education, and not speaking the language, traveling hundreds and thousands of miles and being able to find and willing to work a shitty job must be really painful for you.---

And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

Seeing people with no contacts, little to no education, and not speaking the language, traveling hundreds and thousands of miles and being able to find and willing to work a shitty job must be really painful for you.

looool---

What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom?A pickpocket snatches your watch.

Is that why they're constantly having to destroy Hamas tunnels that go underneath their walls and directly into the country?

You must have a different definition of "working" than I do.

BeerOnTap posted...

Walls tend to be pretty effective.

It's weird, then, how - at least if you believe the right-wing pundits - the US still has a problem with illegal immigration despite putting up hundreds of miles of border fencing and there's pictures in the news daily of migrants climbing over the fencing and walls that do exist.

It's almost like walls are something that can be easily gotten around with ropes, ladders, or just a sufficiently tall mound of dirt.

TheWorstPoster posted...

I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

Yeah, well, lots of people want absolutely NO gun crime and their suggestions get about as much traction. So good luck with that.---

Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster.Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.

No, the mere idea of the wall started as a simple keyword for Trump's small mind to remember, and developed further into a rally cry for him and his supporters because of his need to build a monument to his ego that, somehow, golden towers with his name on them just wasn't enough. He wants a level of gratification that his insatiable ego is doomed to never see fulfilled. His supporters want to get away with racism; of which some will balk at you for even suggesting such a thing, and others will cheer on the idea because they're proud of their discriminatory beliefs. The wall is nothing more than a super expensive symbol that, honestly, no sane or responsible person should support, but here we are.---

Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.

bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.

No, the mere idea of the wall started as a simple keyword for Trump's small mind to remember, and developed further into a rally cry for him and his supporters because of his need to build a monument to his ego that, somehow, golden towers with his name on them just wasn't enough. He wants a level of gratification that his insatiable ego is doomed to never see fulfilled. His supporters want to get away with racism; of which some will balk at you for even suggesting such a thing, and others will cheer on the idea because they're proud of their discriminatory beliefs. The wall is nothing more than a super expensive symbol that, honestly, no sane or responsible person should support, but here we are.

It's also a distraction technique, helps bump any headlines on his legal problems, ok?---

This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.