I'm a new MAC user and i've been trying to get hotwayd running, but i honestly have no clue as to how to do it? (which type of file do i need? rpm? or something?)could you tell me what programs i need to use? and perhaps the simplest way to do it? or does someone have a .dmg of it? I used to use hotpopper for PC so I wanted something simple like that...
Thanks...

I followed your instructions exactly, well almost exactly. I installed gotmail with 'apt-get install gotmail' :). Anyway, it worked perfectly with KMail from KDE 3.1.2 (in debian sid). Took me all of 2min to setup. Thanks a lot though, now I dont have to deal with logging in and evreything. I can just use with my Hotmail account like my other regular email accounts (imap and pop).

I also use hotway. In Debian, I just apt-get install. In other distros, I assume setup is just as easy as installing the package. It sets itself as a pop3 server, so configuring mail clients is a matter of typing the address of the machine using hotway (i.e. Configure Kmail->Network->Receiving->Add->POP3->host:HotwayBox). And that is the advantage hotway has over gotmail--install hotway on one box and all computers with pop3-friendly mail clients on your network can use that box to check Hotmail/MSN mail.

(Debian description)
Hotway acts like a pop3 server, but actually goes to hotmail.com
to retrieve requested mail. It uses Hotmail's undocumented HTTPmail
interface (as does Outlook(TM)). Works with both hotmail.com and
msn.com addresses.

I just installed hotwayd and it works flawlessly! took me about 5 min. from download to recieving e-mail from the hotmail server. thank you very much for posting the link, I have been wondering how to do this for a while.

I opened an account, it seems to work well. But you have to pay to use IMAP/POP3 and SMTP (US$ 20 a year). Not really expensive. Any solution alternative to a microsoft solution (like hotmail) is welcome. I do not microsoft products at all, so hotmail is out of the question for me.

Personally, as a secondary email server (apart from my employer's) I use gmx.net - Excellent service, German only, but heck, many servers are English only ;-)

Thanks for the hint. It looks quite good actually. The only thing I'm concerned about is their uptimes... today I saw that they have an uptime of 10 hours... well, that's not too much I would say. How reliable are they usually?

But wouldn't it be a good idea to group these on a "KDE-howto" site or something?
These articles help out people right now, but after a while, people forget about them, so... If they would all be put together, people would have one place for looking for kde-related tut's/howto's

All howtos that explain how to do something special with KMail and that we, the KMail developers, are aware of are listed on kmail.kde.org. I will make sure that this nice howto will be added to this list.

But I have some questions/suggestions:
1. Why does the mailbox format of the new folder need to be changed to mbox? I don't think that's necessary at all, unless the folder is located on a Windows partition where maildir doesn't work because in maildir format some filenames include colons. In all other cases always maildir should be used because it's much more robust than mbox.

2. With regard to locking, please see http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdenetwork/kmail/faq.html#id2839877. Did you check that FCNTL locking really works? I lost a few messages because FCNTL-locking didn't work with fetchmail. Anyway, as FCNTL is very problematic on NFS mounted devices I recommend using procmail with gotmail because procmail lockfile locking does definitely always work.

3. The precommand "~/gotmail-0.7.9/gotmail -c" doesn't look right because according to the man page, the usage information and the actual code (of gotmail 0.7.10) the "-c" option is used to specify a different configuration file than the default one and doesn't stand for check.

I didnt realise you could integrate it inot kmail like that ... i have used it going through my other email address etc .....

Quite right about the -c on gotmail here is the help option with all the args ... see below

Cheers
Coomsie :3)

[coomsie@iain coomsie]$ ./.gotmail/gotmail --help
Gotmail v0.7.10 Copyright (C) 2000-2003 Peter Hawkins
Gotmail comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details.

Usage:
gotmail [OPTIONS...]

Options:
-?, --help, --usage Display this screen
--version Display version information
-c, --config-file Specify config file (default ~/.gotmailrc)
-u, --username Specify your hotmail username (REQUIRED)
-p, --password Specify your hotmail password (REQUIRED)
-d, --domain Specify hotmail.com (default) or msn.com
--proxy Specify an HTTP proxy to use. Format is
host:port - eg: localhost:3128
--proxy-auth Specify authentification details for the
HTTP proxy.
-s, --smtpserver Specify SMTP server. Will not use sendmail
-f, --forward Specify an email address to forward to. If a
forwarding address is not given, messages
will be saved to disk
--folders "folders" Only get these folders (list of folders in
quotes, i.e.: "Inbox, Bulk Mail")
--folder-dir /my/dir Download messages into this directory
--only-new Only unread messages will be retrieved
--mark-read Messages will be marked as read once downloaded
--delete Messages will be deleted after download
--retry-limit max_tries Maximum number of attempts to download a message
--speed-limit Throttle back rate of giving messages to sendmail
--save-to-login Save to folder-dir/username for Inbox and
/folder-dir/username-foldername for others
--use-procmail Send all messages only to procmail
--procmail-bin Use this program as procmail (default is
/usr/bin/procmail) (implies --use-procmail)
--curl-bin Specify the path to the cURL program if it's
not in your path.
--silent Do not print messages
-v, --verbose Verbosely print messages
--debug Print debug output

It's not mentioned in the howto, but you must use the translated version off "Inbox" in the gotmailrc eg: in french it's "Boîte de réception"
I don't know why they don't use generic folder names.
.gotmailrc :
folders=Boîte de réception
Kmail configuration (Local mailbox):
/home/user/hotmail/Boîte de réception

I agree with you! Seems to have a much better interface for watching films than the default one of Noatun. Similarly, Kplayer (http://kplayer.sourceforge.net) has a nice interface too. In contrast to Kaffeine, which is based on xine, it uses mplayer instead.
However, Noatuns interface is probably better for listening to music at least when using skins (winamp or k-jofol skins).

Emmm...you got me all confused. First, noatun ships with a useable playlist and I think it's called Hayes. Secondly, aRts is probably the most powerful sound server/tool available in the *nix sphere. In fact, the Gnome team was thinking about porting it to Gnome.

I don't know what distro or package manager you have on your system, but if you installed and configured aRts properly, it should work 100% of the time like it's supposed to and like it does all the systems I've installed KDE on.

If noatun didn't ship with a useable playlist, then how on earth do you think users listen to their favorite music files on their file system? :? 3/4 of my multimedia applications rely on aRts, so I'm a little perplexed as to why you see aRts as a hindrance. :?

> What's your gripe with noatun?
The interface! Compare e.g. Noatuns "Excellent" or the "Milk-Chocolate" interfaces with the one of Kaffeine or the one of Kplayer! The latter two are just more usuable than Noatuns interfaces, due to the better placement of the widgets (better layout) as well as nicer widgets (better design).
Furthermore, Noatun has less features than e.g. Kaffeine (streaming,playlist).

Can anyone get hotmail working with kmail or any client such that it can
1) sync on deletes
2) retrieve custom folders (including junk mail)
3) sync on "read mail" status (eg if you read the mail on kmail, it's marked as read on hotmail)

I checked whois before I tried and found out that domain wasn't registered to msn(it is registered to some guy in Antwerpen BE), so I kind of figured that they would not care for my privacy.

Did it anyway, why you might ask. Well it is my hotmail account after all ;), I never ever send anything from my hotmail account, I just use it as an address to give to a companies during some registration process where they need to send some key to use a product. Of course I could create new hotmail account everytime I needed one but now that I can read my hotmails with kmail there is no need and no need to change konquerors identification string when checking hotmail.

And furthermore, my hotmail account doesn't have my real name or any remotely useful information, to summarize: I use it where I think I am going to get some nice commercial material in an other words, crap.

So it is handy for me and I didn't know about such a "service" before, you don't have to be sorry for me :).