This whole Tiller issue is “much ado about nothing”. We live in a violent world. Because a store clerk, thug, drug addict, husband/wife or doctor is murdered is commonplace. Murder happens everyday in this country.. so why should abortionist be immune?

ANYBODY can potentially be a murderer when pushed to their limits. Welcome and farewell to the real world Mr. Tiller.

HotLead61: “My reply was intended to address the limited scope of the emotional factors that could have been involved in this mans actions.”

Bruce: From what further I’ve heard, this guy believed in murdering abortionists. We can now take your interesting scenario off the table that he was avenging a daughter or wife killed in a botched abortion, I think.

Now the question really is for those who are pro-murder as a pro-life strategy - what is your end game?

Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.

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posted on 06/01/2009 8:13:42 AM PDT
by SeattleBruce
(God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])

“and in her blood of prophets and of saints was found, and of all those who have been slain on the earth.”

How can God judge a city, a great evil city, and see in it the shed blood of all who have been murdered-and this would include Tiller’s? Do I believe Tiller is innocent? I will have to think about that since abortion is legal...he is as innocent as KARL BRANDT, SIEGFRIED HANDLOSER, OSKAR SCHROEDER, KARL GENZKEN, KARL GEBHARDT, RUDOLF BRANDT, JOACHIM MRUGOWSKY, HELMUT POPPENDICK, WOLFRAM SIEVERS, GERHARD ROSE, VIKTOR BRACK, etc.

And also, therefore, I could say, because it is legal, this nation, and every other nation that has legalized abortion, is guilty in God’s eyes.

Am I promoting and subscribing by warning of coming judgment? Christians are to take care of the orphans and widows, and serve as Christ served. We are not to take vengeance, that is God’s job. He will allow what is just. Is national punishment possible? Have you been keeping up with the news lately?

I do not have to do a thing to avenge the death of the innocent, I have but to voice my opinion of its inherent evil, its abomination before the One True God, and the consequences of His wrath.

Believe me, I would love nothing more than to see our nation repent of the abomination of abortion, memorialize the dead, vow to never allow it again with an irreversible amendment to the Constitution, not only to end the shedding of innocent blood which flows through our towns and cities, but to avert the wrath of God.

If you do not believe in God or that He does not judge the nations, then you have no worries.

I always wonder about certain scenarios and imagine what if. God knows all, sees all (He witnesses the death of the innocent unborn every day), and yes, I agree with Calvin and have the utmost trust in God’s predestination of all. The book has been written, I’m just one of those people who can read the end of the book and still enjoy reading the whole. It’s the end of this book that keeps me going with peace and joy.

"I read that first little essay and that was enough. Youre right Im not like that. Movements and candlelight vigils and singing we shall overcome...not me. Nice talking to you. I appreciate what you folks do but you dont own the anti-abortion cause."

You're not a careful reader, either that, or your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Stop lumping me in with the people that hold candle vigils, etc.

Not only that, but you used the above excuse to deliberately ignore the commentary I suggested. The word to describe that sort of behavior is, "denial".

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posted on 06/01/2009 9:21:35 AM PDT
by Matchett-PI
("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)

I'm not disputing your word, but I would appreciate any evidence available to substantiate this. I work at an agency affiliated with this denomination, and the thought that this is true horrifies and sickens me. Thanks.

"Bruce: Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end."

"Bruce: I didnt say it didnt work. Read what I said..."

So your definition of whether terrorism 'works' is based on another person's opinion? If that other person thinks death is an end, the answer is yes. If that other person think death is not an end, the answer is no.

"thank you..."

And you insist you aren't nuts?

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posted on 06/01/2009 2:04:54 PM PDT
by GourmetDan
(Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)

So your definition of whether terrorism ‘works’ is based on another person’s opinion?
+++++++++

Not that you and your ad hominem attacks and inane characterizations deserve any response, but for the sake of the discussion, whether terrorism ‘works’ or is ‘effective’ or is deemed a ‘success’ is absolutely based on their goals. If an Islamic terrorist, for instance, prefers death and the next life to this one, and thinks that wreaking havoc and death will bring him advantage in the next life, then killing everyone, or as many as possible means that terrorism is an extremely successful strategy.

My point in this string is that we pro-lifers shouldn’t be imitating that strategy in any way, shape or form.

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posted on 06/01/2009 3:51:55 PM PDT
by SeattleBruce
(God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])

Abortion is permitted in America, but America is not an indivisible collective collectively culpable for that, so it would be irrational for all individual Americans to be subjected to some sort of punishment due to abortion being allowed here.

For, as you know, many Americans fight against abortion, and those folks merit being blessed not cursed.

"Not that you and your ad hominem attacks and inane characterizations deserve any response, but for the sake of the discussion, whether terrorism works or is effective or is deemed a success is absolutely based on their goals. If an Islamic terrorist, for instance, prefers death and the next life to this one, and thinks that wreaking havoc and death will bring him advantage in the next life, then killing everyone, or as many as possible means that terrorism is an extremely successful strategy."

So your definition of whether terrorism 'works' is based on another person's opinion. And apparently, anyone who prefers the next life to this one and acts accordingly would be a terrorist in your book.

"My point in this string is that we pro-lifers shouldnt be imitating that strategy in any way, shape or form."

You just defined terrorism as 'working' and defined anyone who acts for the next life as a 'terrorist'. IOW, pro-lifers should do nothing or you would define them as terrorists.

Nice.

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posted on 06/02/2009 5:48:39 AM PDT
by GourmetDan
(Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)

Well, “Roe” never did anything. She never even had an abortion. But, I do agree with you; I do not believe that we should go around and kill these abortionists. We are for “LIFE”; including the life of the abortionist.

But Tiller is actually a mass murderer. He was more of a killer than Nathanson, or even most abortionists. He killed fully formed, beautiful full term babies-—and his carelessness also killed women who came to his abortatorium.

“Abortion” is a loose term in relation to Tiller. He merely murdered babies for profit. It is despicable!

People may disagree on when life begins...but there is no doubt that Tiller killed babies who had already begun life. They could have lived and been adopted.

Tiller was a politically protected murderer.

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posted on 06/02/2009 12:32:46 PM PDT
by tuckrdout
(~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)

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