USA : Civil War : 2013 .... thoughts?

First you'll lose your job. Then you'll find out there's no unemployment or food stamps cause it was all wasted on stimulus and the IMF. Then you'll spend your last buck on a bag of Skittles. And then you lose it and go outside looking for payback......

What if a group of states declared their secession from the United States and joined together? I can see something like this possibly happening with the states becoming more and more unique from one another with laws and the people living within them.

Quoting: Artlicious

This is true, especially when the government wants to trump states rights....

People are already waking up to the fact that, hey, wait a minute, we're not each others enemy!... It sucks for all of us. LOT'S of people I talk to see right through all this crap, the ones that don't, they'll be first to go... fine.

Then, it dawns on all!!

IT'S THAT GUY!!!!... Finger revolves 180 degrees.. to the fat pig in a suit...

Doesn't take real long... Even though people are pretty stupid, they figure it out sooner or later, once the rage subsides and the thought kicks in...

Rethuglicans and Democrats are mixed in all over geographically, unlike the Civil War, where there was a pretty sharp division between North and South. Also, there is no overweening issue such as slavery infuriating people. Ain't happening anytime soon.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10285242

The division is now ideological. Not based on a singular issue or policy. It's between 3 and 5 opposing view points and 3 of those are mutually exclusive to each other.

1. The Socialist/Fascist (National Socialist, Communist, Progressive Democrats, Neo-Cons) Supreme authority of the State in the lives of its citizens, little to no deviation from the centrally planned guidelines. Maximum control over society, with limited allowance for individual choice in social or economic matters.

2. The Loyalists (Left). Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the basic needs of citizens at any and all cost.

3. The Moderates (Centrist). Support limited power of the State, with the sway of power held bending towards authority.

4. The Loyalists (Right) Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the property and wealth of its citizens, whatever the cost.

5. The Libertarians (AnCap, Sovereign and others) Support individual Liberty and Freedom, with little or no authority given to the State. Little to no 'safety net' or regulation of personal decisions. The State is relegated to matters of international policy with a bent towards non-interventionism and isolationism.

Now most people will fall somewhere between these stereotypes. That's a given. The problem is, right now you've got more and more people that are swinging to the extremes. Myself included.

When it comes to a Central Government this is the breakdown:#1 and #5 are mutually exclusive. #3 can cohabitate with #2 and #4 but will not survive in #1 and #5's environments. Nor will #2 survive #4 or vice versa. And God help anyone from #2, #3 or #4 get caught under #1 or #5 against their will.

I'm well aware of the false left/right paradigm but I used that as an example in the degrees above. It's easier to read than a web would have been.

Since we are less and less willing to compromise our ideals, especially when the perceived destruction of our respective ways of life is omnipresent, the chance for an escalation of violence to take place is conceivable, if not down right inevitable.

Take me for example. I used to fall somewhere between #1 and #2. Now I'm staunchly in the #5 category. I don't see a way to exist living under the rule of #1, #2, #3 or #4. Why don't I? 'Cause no matter what you've got some politician stealing your labor while pointing a rifle at your face. See there, that's called tyranny where I'm from. So how in the Hell am I supposed to make a living? If every where I turn I'm losing my labor to people who continuously seek to take more and more of it, and losing the freedom of choice in all things that don't conform to what the State thinks is best for me, what makes it acceptable to exist under a system that has proven itself to be antagonistic towards my very existence?

That's just my view point. The opposite holds true for many as well, and that's fine. We'll see whose side has more...heart, if you will. And then, you've got the huge middle section that thinks that all of us on the Fringe are fucking nutz and should be locked away.

America was a wonderful experiment. It was a truly great nation, but the ravages of corruption and apathy have weakened her to the point of collapse. The divisions among it's citizens will not be assuaged by the ballot box, for no matter who wins, the rest get screwed out of something. Couple that (the political) with the escalation in racial tension and you have yourselves a 21st century Yugoslavia. Without the national memory of widespread violence, many will fail to see the warning signs until it's too late.

At this point, Balkanization is inevitable. There's too much damage done to the connective tissue, and not enough will to heal whats broken.

I would like nothing more than to believe that an answer to our predicament will appear. However, I'm not naive enough to believe that pretty words and appeasement will do anything more than postpone the coming conflagration.

War is coming, like it or not. Just remember: Even in War there is Honor. Let's try not to remake the Hutus V. Tutsis here, ok?

(and the disclaimer: I, the author, neither endorse, nor consent to the use of violence to affect political change. Nor would I knowingly agree to, nor participate, in said violence for any other reason except that which is defined as 'Legal and Lawful Defense of Self' pursuant to the pertaining Federal, State and Local laws, codes, and statutes. This post was meant to be purely educational in respect to the difficulties our country faces, and should in no way be construed as subversive, terroristic, seditious, threatening, treasonous, possessing of ill temper, anti-social, or inflammatory rhetoric.)

rofl, civil war in the modern usa. ok, sure. the big problem with the idea is all our "cannon fodder" for either side would have skip home to play farmville on FB, and/or watch "american idol", "dancing with the stars", or similar pursuits. now, if you had said virtual civil war in say "HALO" scenarios on their x-box, then you have a possibility

Quoting: filo farnsworth spinning 9982577

LOL ... good point.. that's why I'm wondering if such a thing would even be possible in today's world..

Quoting: Artlicious

keep in mind a government or TPTB can control a civil war...what they can not control is a revolution.knock out the power grid.take away all public ass't and now your ROF and LOL comment is quite silly. no internet, no computer...now what.lots of anger to be directed somewhere!see. TPTB have been getting ready for just this.MSM playing up racial issue has not be for ratings.

look around. this is being played like a good game of chess.your move!

the only thing we can do is not fall for it when the $H!# hits the fan.

rofl, civil war in the modern usa. ok, sure. the big problem with the idea is all our "cannon fodder" for either side would have skip home to play farmville on FB, and/or watch "american idol", "dancing with the stars", or similar pursuits. now, if you had said virtual civil war in say "HALO" scenarios on their x-box, then you have a possibility

Quoting: filo farnsworth spinning 9982577

LOL ... good point.. that's why I'm wondering if such a thing would even be possible in today's world..

Quoting: Artlicious

keep in mind a government or TPTB can control a civil war...what they can not control is a revolution.knock out the power grid.take away all public ass't and now your ROF and LOL comment is quite silly. no internet, no computer...now what.lots of anger to be directed somewhere!see. TPTB have been getting ready for just this.MSM playing up racial issue has not be for ratings.

look around. this is being played like a good game of chess.your move!

the only thing we can do is not fall for it when the $H!# hits the fan.

I think you fucking idiots who want a civil war, basically want to replace Obama with Bush. That makes you a bunch of moronic sheep, and fucking idiot sheep can't wage war because they're fucking idiot sheep!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

No, the country will fracture and multiple states will form individual countries and elect their own leaders....

There will be an EMP event, solar event, meteor event, or global war before a US Civil War. Who has the firepower to go up against the federal government with all their DARPA technology at their disposal as well as the National Guard Units etc etc. ? Moreover, by and large, we are a sick, addicted, and out of shape population. That doesn't translate well into effective fighters. Forget about a civil war. Ain't going to happen.

I think you fucking idiots who want a civil war, basically want to replace Obama with Bush. That makes you a bunch of moronic sheep, and fucking idiot sheep can't wage war because they're fucking idiot sheep!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

No, the country will fracture and multiple states will form individual countries and elect their own leaders....

There will be an EMP event, solar event, meteor event, or global war before a US Civil War. Who has the firepower to go up against the federal government with all their DARPA technology at their disposal as well as the National Guard Units etc etc. ? Moreover, by and large, we are a sick, addicted, and out of shape population. That doesn't translate well into effective fighters. Forget about a civil war. Ain't going to happen.

There will be an EMP event, solar event, meteor event, or global war before a US Civil War. Who has the firepower to go up against the federal government with all their DARPA technology at their disposal as well as the National Guard Units etc etc. ? Moreover, by and large, we are a sick, addicted, and out of shape population. That doesn't translate well into effective fighters. Forget about a civil war. Ain't going to happen.

Quoting: ACME Man 503869

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Probably so, with GMO foods, and bad air, bad environment, bad water, the population is too drugged and comatose. And any new Technology (War/Military/Surveillance/Crowd/Population/Sheeple Masses Control) "Uncle Scam/Uncle Sham w/Uncle Boris" takes from inventors, if it can be used in any way, but I do believe "TPTB" is getting tired of supporting "Useless Eaters" and "Welfare/Entitlement Crap", as it has gotten to the "breaking point" with both "Projects/Ghettos/Hoods" and "Prisons". And that was 9/11 as to be a breaking point with the "Support" of such things as Prisons/Entitlement/Welfare People, that have literally busted and broke the System.

Now its time for "TPTB" to start cleaning up the mess, and move towards a more "Technological Society", instead of wasting Moneys (Tax) on useless Social Programs.

Civil war is no longer possible in the U.S. because, in a desire for "security", the citizens allowed the government to take all the power.

In the days of the American Revolution, ragtag rebels were able to fight and defeat the greatest empire on Earth, ONLY because they were both on the same weaponry plateau.

guns, cannons, ships

Both sides had 'em, both sides could make 'em.

Now, the establishment government has control over the infrastructure, over communications, they have stealth bombers, rocket propelled grenades, bunker busters and nuclear weapons.

There is no way a citizen-based separatist group opposing the U.S. government, could compete, because they couldn't gather the resources to produce a comparable number of troops, guns, tanks, satellites, stealth bombers or nuclear weapons.American Civil War Pt. 2: Electric Bugaloo, is a fantasy scenario.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526634

Yes there is a way to have a civil war.....

Its for people everywhere in the USA to stay home, don't pay taxes....just have a massive sit out...Nothing runs, no trains, planes, buses, and taxis....

The country would totally shut down.....

That is a civil war where nobody kills anyone, unless the government comes barging into your own home.....

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

Would the righty's kill the lefty's?

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.

I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Quoting: Artlicious

All these other peoples are talking about how it would be chaos. I think humanity would come together and crush the tyrants. Good wins over evil EVERYTIME! No matter what!!Peace!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10953581

I wish this were true. Why have evil assholes been the elite of the world for centuries, probably longer, if good wins every time? Why have these "people" been responsible for the suffering and deaths of millions, funded both sides and started wars, used people for their own wealth and gain like they were fucking cattle? I almost wish I thought this, ignorance must be bliss. I do hope good prevails in the end though... It is kind of depressing when you think about it, but I will never give up, or give up hope.

Civil war is no longer possible in the U.S. because, in a desire for "security", the citizens allowed the government to take all the power.

In the days of the American Revolution, ragtag rebels were able to fight and defeat the greatest empire on Earth, ONLY because they were both on the same weaponry plateau.

guns, cannons, ships

Both sides had 'em, both sides could make 'em.

Now, the establishment government has control over the infrastructure, over communications, they have stealth bombers, rocket propelled grenades, bunker busters and nuclear weapons.

There is no way a citizen-based separatist group opposing the U.S. government, could compete, because they couldn't gather the resources to produce a comparable number of troops, guns, tanks, satellites, stealth bombers or nuclear weapons.American Civil War Pt. 2: Electric Bugaloo, is a fantasy scenario.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526634

Yes there is a way to have a civil war.....

Its for people everywhere in the USA to stay home, don't pay taxes....just have a massive sit out...Nothing runs, no trains, planes, buses, and taxis....

The country would totally shut down.....

That is a civil war where nobody kills anyone, unless the government comes barging into your own home.....

Sends a clear message to the lawmakers, who is in charge...

Quoting: HisEyesRopen

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Never work for 2 reasons:

#1 Golden Rule, those who own the Gold Rule!

#2 "Men live lives of quiet desperation" and most Sheeple (Masses) will always work for the "Top (Hidden and Invisible) Bankers" for the Money" for Support of themselves and their families.

"Isn't it always about the money??" (Just ask any crooked Federal Judge and Federal Prosecutor)(who usurp Federal Laws given to an U.S. Citizens and break reserved U.S. Constitutional Laws and "besmirch/slander defendants" in the MSM News, and Federal Judges and Federal Prosecutors who act in cahoots and collateral for "Political and Career Advancements of up and coming Federal Prosecutors, even at the expense of lying on the "Constitution afforded to U.S. Defendants") and when defendants beat the Feds out at their own game, can't mention a thing about it! (Ain't that something!).

Im sure the USA will eventually come apart like the Roman empire fell apart,

it's still a ways off yet though.

When states start ignoring the federal government and start breaking off and there being no consequences, that will be the clearest sign of it.

The EARLIEST signs will be the USA getting kicked out of its foreign bases;

but we havent seen any of that yet.

I think you fucking idiots who want a civil war, basically want to replace Obama with Bush. That makes you a bunch of moronic sheep, and fucking idiot sheep can't wage war because they're fucking idiot sheep!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

No, the country will fracture and multiple states will form individual countries and elect their own leaders....

Im sure the USA will eventually come apart like the Roman empire fell apart,

it's still a ways off yet though.

When states start ignoring the federal government and start breaking off and there being no consequences, that will be the clearest sign of it.

The EARLIEST signs will be the USA getting kicked out of its foreign bases;

but we havent seen any of that yet.

I think you fucking idiots who want a civil war, basically want to replace Obama with Bush. That makes you a bunch of moronic sheep, and fucking idiot sheep can't wage war because they're fucking idiot sheep!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

No, the country will fracture and multiple states will form individual countries and elect their own leaders....

Quoting: HisEyesRopen

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6739256

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We haven't got kicked off the Military basis on foreign soil, cause its all about the money, just ask any typical crooked Federal Judge and crooked Federal Prosecutor, he'll tell you, if he's honest with himself and you! (but the likelihood of that happening is between "slim and none").

Im sure the USA will eventually come apart like the Roman empire fell apart,

it's still a ways off yet though.

When states start ignoring the federal government and start breaking off and there being no consequences, that will be the clearest sign of it.

The EARLIEST signs will be the USA getting kicked out of its foreign bases;

but we havent seen any of that yet.

I think you fucking idiots who want a civil war, basically want to replace Obama with Bush. That makes you a bunch of moronic sheep, and fucking idiot sheep can't wage war because they're fucking idiot sheep!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

No, the country will fracture and multiple states will form individual countries and elect their own leaders....

I'm confused, why should I take up arms and murder my fellow Americans? and why in the world would anyone else want to do the same?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8327298

I don't think I would want to either.. It would be best if we could all get along and put our differences aside, but there are many who will never do that..

Quoting: Artlicious

I read the words of yankees, and I see hatred and contempt for southern people who they consider racists and bigots. From what I read, it seems like they could easily be pushed over the edge to attack southern people....AGAIN.

I also see the young people who hate old or fat people. They think the old people stole something from them and are responsible for the mess in this country and the fat people are just worthless fucks. I think they would start shooting if given the green light.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14981932

Yankees are too concerned with keeping their farms in operation and surviving harsh winters to care about whatever Southerners do. At least in Vermont, that's the case.

Just sitting here and thinkin....What a question. Wow! If America decays into a cival war, it wont end with it being a racial issue. It could possibly start out that way, you can see that something like this is being nursed and nudged along by the recient media coverage over the last several weeks. Americans, of all races and creeds will eventually wake up to what is happening to us all in the collective.We will see as citizens, as Americans, that it's our government, the NWO group that are using isolated incidents and covering them with a fervor not seen since the days of the Cold War with Russia. It's not Russia any more, it's each other. We are all our own worst enemies. The PTB are trying to divide us as a nation. Trying to sever our common bond, and in so doing, open the way for a total dictatorship, helmed by the bankers, the self appointed elite, and the big money. They want us fighting, rioting, causing a new way of life to be introduced. They want CHANGE. Have you heard that term before? They will push, and deceive, lie, twist the facts, and spread disinformation to fit their agenda. Then comes Martial Law. When it's put into place, and you are now carrying your new NATIONAL ID, traveling to where you are allowed to, buying what they let you have, people will start to wake up.Those days are coming. We gotta wake up NOW.

The funny thing is our resources aren't running out. They're just jacking up the prices and laughing all the way to the bank when they post their tens of billions in profits. People should be infuriated, but they're not. Change is tough and we all want it to be like it was, when we could afford houses, cars, and education. Now we can barely afford food.

Media corporations have successfully sidetracked us with football, NASCAR, sex, alcohol, fast food, and celebrity culture. We're so caught up in this whirlwind of media campaign blitzes that we don't even know what's real anymore. Most people in this country value a bag of Doritos more than the plants that provide them oxygen. So many people (not everyone!) have lost what's important.

I don't have all the answers of how to fix this mess we're in, but there needs to be an overhaul of the distribution of wealth. It's not just about the dollar and coin, paper and metal. Working hard doesn't get you shit anymore, though they've always pounded that into our brains; work hard and you'll "make it." We need to find a balance where everyone can contribute and receive, give and take in a free and balanced way. I'm not talking welfare or handouts either.

Something's gonna give and we're about to smack into the brick wall.

Quoting: Vermonster

You don't have to be "sidetracked" by the things you cite. You certainly don't have any answers if all you can think of is to "redistribute wealth". It might have escaped your notice but Lenin, stalin, mao and others used that to create hell.