Well I'm going ahead and doing exactly what I said I would, RECON (and ONLY recon, for now anyway). Again, the reasoning is simple, regardless of what path we take with these guy, more information will still be positive.

Recon what? We dropped an avalanche on them, I don't think there's too much left. Tactically speaking, there would not be enough time or resources for them to try and surround/attack us unless they had another group of hunters/warriors not near their encampment. And if they do have those, it would take them time and careful navigating through the terrain shift to properly position themselves advantageously. By then, we'd already be gone.

As for those who want to be diplomatic: Diplomacy is a pointless gesture at this moment, for the simple reason that these people are probably unable to actually negotiate anything with us. In addition, no one out there is in a position of authority, no one should be trying to hash out anything without the Illhar. It is not your place. No, not even Xenon, as the Ambassador and other ranked positions have been dissolved, so she is in the same position as us. No one needs to be doing anything hasty without Anj'hali.

So I agree with Pariel. A warning needs to be given, because these people cannot be led to believe they can do or say whatever they want to us and we will kowtow to them(that makes our Illhar look weak). If they want us to respect them, they need to learn to treat us with equal respect or GTFO.

Beyond that, it becomes a political issue, and it needs to be brought to Anj'hali's attention immediately.

“The most I can do for my friend is simply be his friend." -Henry David Thoreau

It´s like cat says. There´s still the mist, Jon. It says we can´t see sh!t from the top of the canyon, same for going down after the avalanches. We saw the tip of a camp, but not more. That´s how thick the mist is. And who knows, maybe that mist is even made by the duegars, i wouldn´t wonder if they got a mist machine after seeing their flash bangs, posion grenades and mist traps.

I don´t say you´re wrong, but doing a recon now with only 22 voters where we might have the chance to convice the duegars that its better for them (and us, we can´t go home like that, no stone, no infos, no nothing) is kinda risky, especially when Thalar had former tries to get info from the canyon cancelled with *you don´t see sh!t.*

If there are too many actions out there then we might all fail like it happend with Trey and Alyana. D:

Which is why i might give up my hostage for ambassador idea. Sadly, but if i put that up too, then we have too many actions with too less votes. And it was such a practical/realistic approach... ;_;

I also agreed with Brorn's option for the time being. To me this situation isn't overly complicated.

We'll want those resources in that area eventually, and we can get them through warfare or through establishing a peaceful agreement. Either way can work, and we can put it on the devergar's heads to choose which path they want to take with us.

Its not like we're that violent of a Drow Clan. We generally prefer not to fight. It just requires that people don't get hostile with us. Though granted in a dark age world setting like this one its pretty much natural to assume every community other than your own is an enemy or at the very least unfriendly competition, so I don't have much hopes that the dvergar are going to take the chance to talk peace with us.

We can try inviting them to a neutral ground area to talk, but I'm wiling to bet they wouldn't show and assume it was a trap on our part. It'd take some serious work on our part to get any kind of talks going; and risk the lives of anyone who volunteered for the diplomatic mission to do so. I won't say not to try, just be ready and willing to deal with the results if things don't go smoothy.

There is a fine line between awesome and ridiculous. Badai uses that line to floss his teeth.

I say we go on the long-term offensive. Go back to the colony, gather up our recources, then come back prepared for a battle. We can battle under their terms or ours, the same as we can negotiate on their terms or ours. Right now, they have the power in the situation (mostly because we don't know jack about them) but that could change in time.

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I say we go on the long-term offensive. Go back to the colony, gather up our recources, then come back prepared for a battle. We can battle under their terms or ours, the same as we can negotiate on their terms or ours. Right now, they have the power in the situation (mostly because we don't know jack about them) but that could change in time.

Hint: They don't know as much about as we don't know about them. So I'm merely sowing that it's either negotiation or retaliation, because we can't ignore eachother. I'm not adverse to this myself, but talking could also do the job in the end.

"Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one." - Marcus Aurelius.

The LA has already clearly indicated that she is heading in that direction regardless. With that in mine, Dycle's action is entirely appropriate, It will warn her of the danger, AND provide her with extra protection in the event that she continues forward anyway. HOPEFULLY, the 'Recon' action might get referenced at that point as well, giving us a little bit of info ahead of the EA...

"Set up a neutral meeting ground for talks and inform anjhi of the mine situation.

Had Brorn not gotten screwed by the system this would have been his advice.

I have sent a PM to Thalar to show Brorn to be the one who gives her this advice.

A survivalist should not be a pessimist, he should always be positive, happy and enjoying life more than anyone else because he understands that each minute of peace we have is precious and unique, and he never takes it for granted.

Jonarus_Drakus wrote:The LA has already clearly indicated that she is heading in that direction regardless. With that in mine, Dycle's action is entirely appropriate, It will warn her of the danger, AND provide her with extra protection in the event that she continues forward anyway. HOPEFULLY, the 'Recon' action might get referenced at that point as well, giving us a little bit of info ahead of the EA...

JD

Actually, no, it's not.

I'll elaborate on this more when I actually have time. Let's just say, it's a bad move, and folks need to quit making knee-jerk reactions to everything.

Okay, now I have time.

Look, we do not need to be forcing Anj'hali into potential hostile situations before anything has even been established. I agree a runner needs to be sent to Anj'hali, to INFORM her of the situation. It should be up to her what she wishes to do about it. Because really, once she gets there, then what? They have no ambassadors, we have no idea what numbers they're packing, where they're really located, what they could have in store for us, nothing. Furthermore, you do NOT invite your queen to enemy camp without knowing the stakes. If at all possible, you want potential enemies to come to YOU, NOT the other way around. You always want control of a situation, you cannot have control of a situation when your leader is out of their element and out of their stronghold.

Stop making knee-jerk advices. PtP2 will NOT end if you hurry up and wait sometimes.

I strongly recommend a counter to Dycle's advice recommending sending a runner to Anj'hali to appraise her of the situation ONLY. If she wishes to directly intervene, she should be allowed to do so with a better compliment of guards and on her terms. Personally, I would prefer it if these folks came to our stronghold, where if things go sour, they cannot openly attack our Illhar without facing serious repercussions.

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“The most I can do for my friend is simply be his friend." -Henry David Thoreau

Oh joy! Odd! We got our stripper! Or at least someone who could do the job properly.

Maria aka Hindrvitni Sa'ppho who´s new to the Tei'Kaliath clan! And she might even do a chainmail-bikini bellydanc introducion! Ofc we have to wait for Anji to return, but if she returns with some dvergars ambassador we SO need to do an action with her doing a chainmail-bikini bellydance as *Mama Vitni*!