Comments on: Bear changes coming in 3.1https://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/
Sat, 10 Dec 2016 00:38:21 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: FaceTankhttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44970
Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:43:40 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44970@wintersdark
People are worried because any advantage druids had in raids are going away slowly but surely. This is especially worrisome for druids who are in more hardcore raiding guilds
1) I agree
2) the problem is that it is periodic mitigation that really isn’t that much and can be removed by a tiny hit from anything. Even if the shield is 1k it goes away on any hit
3) I don’t think anyone is worried about druid dps although I am still outthreated by our warrior and death knight
4) our advantage was taking steady damage. My guild’s dk and warrior are only a couple k behind me in health but have alot more avoidance with parry than I do (10-15% more). The numbers may be saying that we take the same overall damage as other tanks but all it takes is the perception of us not being worth healing that will kill our spots in raids. In high end guilds where everything is scrutinized it doesn’t take much to find yourself without a role. I used to be the main tank for our guild because of my high health and steady damage. Now I am the third off tank that mainly is the tank for 3 drakes because in my high stam set I can get my health over 55k
5) no such thing as rage problems

Please don’t take this as a QQ. I love playing my druid and want to keep playing him if I can. I just would love to know why blizzard thinks this will be better for us. The only thing I can think is they want to put some stuff in ulduar that would be too good given the current situation in druid tanking.

On a side note if the “leaked” patch notes are accurate it looks like master shapeshifter will give bear 2% damage reduction. I hate to have to spec higher into resto to get it but if dual specs come out that will be a little easier to swallow.

1) bear gearing was too simple. Now, we can push for different types of damage mitigation, and have harder gearing choices. This is a good thing.
2) it’s a net mitigation buff. Yes, our physical mitigation remains equal, but we gain magical mitigation when we had none (or little, resistances etc).
3) we’ll do more dps. ‘we’re tanks, that’s not our job’ you say? It doesn’t matter were it comes from, dps is dps. Also, more dps=more threat.
4) spikier damage? Somewhat, yes. We’re not losing our jobs over that, though. It puts us no worse off than other tanks.
5) rage problems? You have rage problems? High end content rage is a nonissue, low end content just put on dps gear and tank.

Seriously, there’s so much angst about this, and I think most of it is simple fear of change.

Yes, BBB, I realize you were talking somewhat tounge in cheek, I’m more referring to others comments

]]>By: Saraihttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44968
Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:07:40 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44968I have respecced Taurros, my main druid, for cat dps. I’m giving up on serious tanking until Blizz makes up their minds(plus he’s still only 71 anyway, hunter addictions ftl). Heck, I might even go tree at this rate. This is kinda ticking me off tho, Taurros has been feral(and only feral) since 1.8, and I hate changing things now after all this time.

My other druid Alanon is a boomkin/sometimes tree, so at least he isn’t affected by all this.

]]>By: FaceTankhttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44967
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:11:17 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44967I have been playing since the start and my druid is the third main that I have had but to be honest it is also the first one I really loved playing. With all this yanking around they are making it hard for me to not switch mains again. I am in all tier 7.25 gear (best in slot of everything with 45k+ health and 50%+ dodge in my non max stam gear) but all I hear from my healers is how I take a beating when I used to have nice steady damage. If they make my damage even more spikey I may be relegated from off tank to not getting invited to raids anymore. I can’t imagine how much worse it would be if my gear was not the best available.

]]>By: Stupid Magehttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44966
Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:47:25 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44966Javan said with 5-6K AP (which is a ton) he would be able to have a 1200-1500 point shield for one hit. Isn’t that like nothing? or a very light amount of damage for having a huge amount of AP?

The bit about changing how Sunder and FF work is stupid. They are afraid that cloth armor gets reduced too much? It’s CLOTH it doesn’t stop shit anyway. My guild paladin has more armor on his left boot than my Mage has on his whole body.

]]>By: Plainswander / CChttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44965
Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:22:46 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44965I dunno…. it seems to me that druids (of all stripes) are getting less and less pleased, collectively, with the chain jerking we’re all experiencing.

It’s starting to feel like pre-bc all over again, okay, well, maybe not THAT bad, but there does seem to definately be “something up”.

]]>By: Bromsonhttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44964
Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:21:59 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44964Why doesn’t blizz help us out with all the nerfing they’re doing to us for no good reason, and give us some different armor classes we can get into like mail, or better AE threat gen. I had heard they were supposed to fix swipe, but I haven’t seen it. Basically if they’re going to mess with the bear tanking why don’t they give us some cookies to balance things out. I feel like Bear tanks are struggling more so than other tank classes right now with the new trendy AE tanking and what not. In short we should be the last ones right now that need nerfed.

Now, the question really does become – what happens with Swipe if I crit on 4 targets? What happens with Glyph of Maul if both strikes crit? And as Artoo asked, what happens when you get another crit before your first shield has been used?

These are questions that will definitely decide whether I like or dislike this change.

From an initial view, it seems like this gives us our own form of “Block”, making Crit Rating somewhat of a tanking stat, but as Agility already was, it really only re-emphasizes Agility as a bear stat, and will make the damage we take burstier for our healers.

]]>By: Artoohttps://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/02/05/bear-changes-coming-in-31/comment-page-1/#comment-44962
Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:50:37 +0000http://thebigbearbutt.com/?p=1298#comment-44962One thing I’m curious to see about savage defense is how it will work if you crit while you still have it up. Will it do nothing? Will it stack to give you one shield for double the amount absorbed? Will it shield you for the next two hits you take?

If it does nothing that would be pretty disappointing, I think the best one would be if it creates a second shield so you’ll have damage absorbed on the next two hits would be ideal, although stacking the shields for would be nice on slow, hard hitting bosses.