Inf.: Oh yeah, yeah. I saw him. When we were young boys, we had bicycles and on Sundays we’d go see him. It was four miles further down and we’d go running down there. We often went in that house. And he was always tucked like a dog behind the stove, lying there. The children, the boys in those days they’d go, they’d tease him behind the backs of the people looking after him. And he’d make mean noises, nasty noises.