From japilado at pacifier.com Sat Sep 1 00:53:32 2007
From: japilado at pacifier.com (Jim Apilado)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:53:32 -0700
Subject: SD and CF
Message-ID: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place
the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards. If
true, does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
Jim A.
From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 01:09:34 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:09:34 +1000
Subject: SD and CF
In-Reply-To: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
References: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID:
On 01/09/2007, Jim Apilado wrote:
> I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place
> the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards. If
> true, does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
I have one and it slows them considerably, however it's still usable
in my *ist D.
--
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HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 01:13:56 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:13:56 -0400
Subject: SD and CF
In-Reply-To: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
References: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <46D8F514.8000207@mindspring.com>
The answer to your questions is yes...
Jim Apilado wrote:
> I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place
> the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards. If
> true, does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
>
> Jim A.
>
>
--
Remember, it?s pillage then burn.
From johnf at panix.com Sat Sep 1 01:41:36 2007
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 01:41:36 -0400
Subject: SD and CF
In-Reply-To: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
References: <9A7D8DFF-AFBC-47A1-82C7-D14961B20FC8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <20070901054136.GA3175@panix.com>
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 09:53:32PM -0700, Jim Apilado wrote:
> I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place
> the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards. If
> true, does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
Yes. But most SD cards are considerably faster than the maximum
speed a *ist D can use, so the limitation will probably still be
the camera unless you buy particularly slow SD cards.
From ozsavage at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 03:02:23 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:02:23 +0800
Subject: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos
In-Reply-To: <46D8CDD6.40602@mindspring.com>
References:
<5D67FE3B-7476-4B1E-AA50-67121813E74D@bluemoon.net.nz>
<90F0ACDC-D28B-41E8-B799-3F6BE31A1F48@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188464725.46d6885506a40@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D6B97A.2080805@mindspring.com>
<91FF3E19-DC04-4AB6-BDEE-9D2754D8630C@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188558804.46d7f7d47cf86@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D83BFA.3050508@mindspring.com>
<1188598975.46d894bf14dbd@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D8CDD6.40602@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709010002ifad0c9fy45a331f3fb5d9d43@mail.gmail.com>
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a physicians
> care might be in order...
...or it's time to lay off the curry dinners.
Cheers,
Dave
From supera at bluebottle.com Sat Sep 1 03:17:05 2007
From: supera at bluebottle.com (Brian Walters)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:17:05 -0700
Subject: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos
In-Reply-To: <46D8CDD6.40602@mindspring.com>
References:
<18a9e9330708282158h497c51bamdef3b84c58865dd4@mail.gmail.com>
<5D67FE3B-7476-4B1E-AA50-67121813E74D@bluemoon.net.nz>
<90F0ACDC-D28B-41E8-B799-3F6BE31A1F48@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188464725.46d6885506a40@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D6B97A.2080805@mindspring.com>
<91FF3E19-DC04-4AB6-BDEE-9D2754D8630C@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188558804.46d7f7d47cf86@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D83BFA.3050508@mindspring.com>
<1188598975.46d894bf14dbd@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D8CDD6.40602@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1188631025.46d911f18f6f9@mail.bluebottle.com>
Actually, I was expecting some comment on the conjunction of a "moon" and Uranus in the one image....
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
Quoting "P. J. Alling" :
> Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a
> physicians
> care might be in order...
>
> Brian Walters wrote:
> > I was waiting for that.....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney, Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
> >
> >
> > Quoting "P. J. Alling" :
> >
> >
> >> Watch your mouth this is a family list...
> >>
> >> Brian Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, it's actually Uranus.
> >>>
> >>> I've just taken a look at the sky for 29 August using the
> program
> >>>
> >> Stellarium and it plots Uranus in exactly the spot (in relation
> to
> >> the moon) where the "star" is shown on your image.
> >>
> >>> The blue/green colour fits, as well.
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From supera at bluebottle.com Sat Sep 1 03:22:51 2007
From: supera at bluebottle.com (Brian Walters)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:22:51 -0700
Subject: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos
In-Reply-To:
References:
<18a9e9330708282158h497c51bamdef3b84c58865dd4@mail.gmail.com>
<5D67FE3B-7476-4B1E-AA50-67121813E74D@bluemoon.net.nz>
<90F0ACDC-D28B-41E8-B799-3F6BE31A1F48@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188464725.46d6885506a40@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D6B97A.2080805@mindspring.com>
<91FF3E19-DC04-4AB6-BDEE-9D2754D8630C@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188558804.46d7f7d47cf86@mail.bluebottle.com>
Message-ID: <1188631371.46d9134b343dc@mail.bluebottle.com>
That's put me right off my dinner....
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
Quoting Digital Image Studio :
> On 31/08/2007, Brian Walters wrote:
> > Well, it's actually Uranus.
>
> Which reminded me of this clip I saw recently:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qIg3gzcCxw
>
>
> --
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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From ozsavage at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 06:51:15 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:51:15 +0800
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
G'day All,
I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
(largish page ~ 880kb):
I have to say I'm very impressed.
Cheers,
Dave
From ozsavage at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 06:55:24 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:55:24 +0800
Subject: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos
In-Reply-To:
References:
<18a9e9330708282158h497c51bamdef3b84c58865dd4@mail.gmail.com>
<5D67FE3B-7476-4B1E-AA50-67121813E74D@bluemoon.net.nz>
<90F0ACDC-D28B-41E8-B799-3F6BE31A1F48@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188464725.46d6885506a40@mail.bluebottle.com>
<46D6B97A.2080805@mindspring.com>
<91FF3E19-DC04-4AB6-BDEE-9D2754D8630C@bluemoon.net.nz>
<1188558804.46d7f7d47cf86@mail.bluebottle.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709010355r5eac4293g8e8553a24229f9d0@mail.gmail.com>
On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 31/08/2007, Brian Walters wrote:
> > Well, it's actually Uranus.
>
> Which reminded me of this clip I saw recently:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qIg3gzcCxw
ROTFLMAO
That's disgustingly brilliant.
Cheers,
Dave
From patrick.genovese.mt at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 07:40:35 2007
From: patrick.genovese.mt at gmail.com (Patrick Genovese)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:40:35 +0200
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a2983a0709010440t433b3692na59476583cb01212@mail.gmail.com>
I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.
Enjoy it!
:-)
Patrick
On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> (largish page ~ 880kb):
>
>
>
> I have to say I'm very impressed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
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Regards
Patrick Genovese
From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 07:44:20 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:44:20 +1000
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 01/09/07, David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> (largish page ~ 880kb):
>
>
>
> I have to say I'm very impressed.
LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)
It's nice to own a good lens.
--
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 08:36:55 2007
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:36:55 -0400
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
Sounds interesting. But it relies on multiple images, so it can only
be used with certain kinds of photography. However, it could be a
valuable tool. Unfortunately, I probably don't have time to try it.
Paul
On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
>
> --
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
> pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
> http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
>
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From toralf at procaptura.com Sat Sep 1 09:13:32 2007
From: toralf at procaptura.com (Toralf Lund)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:13:32 +0200
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <1a2983a0709010440t433b3692na59476583cb01212@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
<1a2983a0709010440t433b3692na59476583cb01212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46D9657C.80601@procaptura.com>
Patrick Genovese wrote:
> I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.
>
Yeah, I suppose they are somewhat rare, but to me, I think the main
issue is finding the money to buy one. Actually, sometimes I do find it,
but I always seem to find something more sensible to spend it on along
with it ;-)
> Enjoy it!
> :-)
>
> Patrick
>
> On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
>> (largish page ~ 880kb):
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to say I'm very impressed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML at pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 1 09:14:52 2007
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 06:14:52 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
>
Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
keith whaley
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 09:42:33 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:42:33 -0400
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <46D9657C.80601@procaptura.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
<1a2983a0709010440t433b3692na59476583cb01212@mail.gmail.com>
<46D9657C.80601@procaptura.com>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709010642y3cb63de2l190931b6026ea422@mail.gmail.com>
sheesh, I wish I found nice boxes like that at the post office. ;) It
looks to be beautifully sharp. Congrats!
rg2
On 9/1/07, Toralf Lund wrote:
> Patrick Genovese wrote:
> > I'm going green with envy... I've been trying to find one of those.
> >
> Yeah, I suppose they are somewhat rare, but to me, I think the main
> issue is finding the money to buy one. Actually, sometimes I do find it,
> but I always seem to find something more sensible to spend it on along
> with it ;-)
> > Enjoy it!
> > :-)
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> >
> >> G'day All,
> >>
> >> I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> >> (largish page ~ 880kb):
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to say I'm very impressed.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> --
> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> PDML at pdml.net
> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 09:44:53 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:44:53 +1000
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
References:
<46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID:
On 01/09/07, keith_w wrote:
> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
processing systems in one tool. For the Mac a similar outcome could be
achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.
--
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 10:09:46 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:09:46 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
Program) or is it all metal?
Regards,
Glen
On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I
>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks?
>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate
>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to keep
>> in mind").
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Glen
>>
>
> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>
> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable
> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
> 35mm
> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>
> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
> off
> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
> Winder
> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
> good
> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also
> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
> 645).
>
> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
> accessories on
> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
> This is
> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
> backs
> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
> some
> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
> P645,
> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>
> -Adam
>
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From roman at blakout.net Sat Sep 1 10:10:00 2007
From: roman at blakout.net (Roman)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:10:00 +0300
Subject: PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?
Message-ID: <46D972B8.9000604@blakout.net>
Any information when 17-70mm f2.8 will be released? I like this range
more than 16-45mm which isn't close to shooting portraiture, so I lust
after this lense more than any other SDM-features piece of glass, not
even 50-135mm nor 16-50mm already in stock. Any information appreciated.
I know there's Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4.5 but I particularly decided to wait
for pentax lense...
--
new pictures once and again
From mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 1 10:13:33 2007
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:13:33 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To:
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's,
Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not
a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as
my Mamiya's.
You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
-Adam
Glen Tortorella wrote:
> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
> Program) or is it all metal?
>
> Regards,
> Glen
>
> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I
>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks?
>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate
>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to keep
>>> in mind").
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glen
>>>
>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>
>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable
>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
>> 35mm
>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>
>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
>> off
>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>> Winder
>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>> good
>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also
>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>> 645).
>>
>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>> accessories on
>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>> This is
>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>> backs
>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>> some
>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>> P645,
>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>
>> -Adam
>>
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From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 1 10:24:10 2007
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:24:10 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
Message-ID: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
From:
"Kenneth Waller"
> I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> final say on accepted images.
>
> Kenneth Waller
Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 1 10:31:18 2007
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:31:18 -0400
Subject: SD and CF
Message-ID: <46D977B6.7090305@nc.rr.com>
From:
Jim Apilado
> I heard that you can get an adapter that will take SD cards and place
> the adapter in a camera (*ist D) that only takes CF cards. If true,
> does it affect the write speed to a SD card.
I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the
adapter for my *ist-D.
The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.
And I wonder if they'd work with SDHC cards?
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 10:40:37 2007
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:40:37 -0500
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To:
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4aa39d670709010740u39e69d37y74f1c15c3babb19f@mail.gmail.com>
Dave,
Good for you! They are truely heavy beasts, but worth it.
Rob enabled me with some wide open night time shots of Sydney.
Then the US importer announced LAST RUN in K-MOUNT.
I sent money... You'll love it. (Thanks Rob)
Regards, Bob S.
On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 01/09/07, David Savage wrote:
> > G'day All,
> >
> > I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> > (largish page ~ 880kb):
> >
> >
> >
> > I have to say I'm very impressed.
>
> LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)
>
> It's nice to own a good lens.
>
> --
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
> pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
> http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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From godders at mac.com Sat Sep 1 10:40:50 2007
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:40:50 -0700
Subject: SD and CF
In-Reply-To: <46D977B6.7090305@nc.rr.com>
References: <46D977B6.7090305@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <634A80F6-019E-4FFE-BD41-4E3775144AC7@mac.com>
On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:31 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the
> adapter for my *ist-D.
>
> The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.
I have two of them, used to use them a bit when I had the Sony R1 and/
or KM A2. No reliability problems at all, but all data transfers were
slowed to a max of 33x regardless of how fast the SD card was.
> And I wonder if they'd work with SDHC cards?
I don't know if any are available rated for SDHC use.
Godfrey
From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 10:44:48 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:44:48 +1000
Subject: SD and CF
In-Reply-To: <46D977B6.7090305@nc.rr.com>
References: <46D977B6.7090305@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID:
On 02/09/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> I asked about that when I bought my K10D, thinking I could use the
> adapter for my *ist-D.
>
> The guy at the camera store told me they weren't very reliable.
>
> And I wonder if they'd work with SDHC cards?
Mine certainly hasn't been unreliable though I don't use it
continuously, I wonder if he confused compatibility with reliability?
I doubt many would be SDHC compatible.
--
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
pdml at swiftdsl.com.au
http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
From ozsavage at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 10:48:42 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:48:42 +0800
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
I don't know what the hell is going on.
One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
???
Cheers,
Dave
On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> "Kenneth Waller"
> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> > final say on accepted images.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>
> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From ozsavage at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 10:55:26 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:55:26 +0800
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <4aa39d670709010740u39e69d37y74f1c15c3babb19f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
<4aa39d670709010740u39e69d37y74f1c15c3babb19f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709010755g36ff59adt660058eac7bd979a@mail.gmail.com>
I'm sure I will.
Rob planted the seed of this enablement when he was over a couple of
years ago. I saw that same last run message and the rest is history.
I told Rob at the time I tried his he was pure evil. I was right ;-)
Cheers,
Dave
On 9/1/07, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Dave,
> Good for you! They are truely heavy beasts, but worth it.
> Rob enabled me with some wide open night time shots of Sydney.
> Then the US importer announced LAST RUN in K-MOUNT.
> I sent money... You'll love it. (Thanks Rob)
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> > On 01/09/07, David Savage wrote:
> > > G'day All,
> > >
> > > I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> > > (largish page ~ 880kb):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have to say I'm very impressed.
> >
> > LOL., it looks so, don't forget to try it wide open, and at night ;-)
> >
> > It's nice to own a good lens.
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 11:06:02 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:06:02 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
<18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709010806w432f331fmed62f8352c8c5012@mail.gmail.com>
maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
photographers, or maybe more positive voting? who knows. Glad to
hear your photo got in though.
rg2
On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> I don't know what the hell is going on.
>
> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>
> ???
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> > From:
> > "Kenneth Waller"
> > > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> > > final say on accepted images.
> > >
> > > Kenneth Waller
> > Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >
> > But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
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From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 11:15:54 2007
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <368801.96917.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Yes!
J
--- John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> "Kenneth Waller"
> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> > final say on accepted images.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>
> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
>
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From ti-oes at online.no Sat Sep 1 11:42:32 2007
From: ti-oes at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tim_=D8sleby?=)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:42:32 +0200
Subject: PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?
References: <46D972B8.9000604@blakout.net>
Message-ID: <001701c7ecae$b600aa30$e001a8c0@FOTOTIM>
There is no public information indicating that this lens will be a f:2,8
lens, but there is a lot of unqualified guessing going on. Some say f:4,
some say 2,8-4 and so on. Nothing officially on the release date either.
Hopefully we will know more after PMA starting 10.09.07.
Tim Typo
Mostly Harmless
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: PENTAX-DA 17-70mm f/2.8 [IF] SDM release dates?
> Any information when 17-70mm f2.8 will be released? I like this range
> more than 16-45mm which isn't close to shooting portraiture, so I lust
> after this lense more than any other SDM-features piece of glass, not
> even 50-135mm nor 16-50mm already in stock. Any information appreciated.
> I know there's Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4.5 but I particularly decided to wait
> for pentax lense...
>
>
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 12:16:12 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:16:12 -0400
Subject: I Hate My *ist D - Eclipse Photos
In-Reply-To: <1188631025.46d911f18f6f9@mail.bluebottle.com>
References: <18a9e9330708282158h497c51bamdef3b84c58865dd4@mail.gmail.com> <5D67FE3B-7476-4B1E-AA50-67121813E74D@bluemoon.net.nz> <90F0ACDC-D28B-41E8-B799-3F6BE31A1F48@bluemoon.net.nz> <1188464725.46d6885506a40@mail.bluebottle.com> <46D6B97A.2080805@mindspring.com> <91FF3E19-DC04-4AB6-BDEE-9D2754D8630C@bluemoon.net.nz> <1188558804.46d7f7d47cf86@mail.bluebottle.com> <46D83BFA.3050508@mindspring.com> <1188598975.46d894bf14dbd@mail.bluebottle.com> <46D8CDD6.40602@mindspring.com>
<1188631025.46d911f18f6f9@mail.bluebottle.com>
Message-ID: <46D9904C.2060809@mindspring.com>
That would be just too predictable...
Brian Walters wrote:
> Actually, I was expecting some comment on the conjunction of a "moon" and Uranus in the one image....
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "P. J. Alling" :
>
>
>> Glad I could be predictable, if it's blue/green however, a
>> physicians
>> care might be in order...
>>
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>>
>>> I was waiting for that.....
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney, Australia
>>> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting "P. J. Alling" :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Watch your mouth this is a family list...
>>>>
>>>> Brian Walters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, it's actually Uranus.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just taken a look at the sky for 29 August using the
>>>>>
>> program
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Stellarium and it plots Uranus in exactly the spot (in relation
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> the moon) where the "star" is shown on your image.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The blue/green colour fits, as well.
>>>>>
>
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 12:23:30 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:23:30 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <46D99202.8030803@mindspring.com>
The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers
vote it out?
John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> "Kenneth Waller"
>
>> I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
>> final say on accepted images.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>>
> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>
> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
>
>
--
Remember, it?s pillage then burn.
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:34:25 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:34:25 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <46D99202.8030803@mindspring.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com> <46D99202.8030803@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709010934t7c06bb19h77ea6129070b6742@mail.gmail.com>
> The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers
> vote it out?
I think not:
"Your votes are used to sort the images so that the best are presented
to the acceptance committee. PENTAX makes the final determination of
which images will appear in the Gallery. "
I'd guess that after a certain number and proportion of negative votes
has been met, the judges don't even see a photo. Say, a minimun of
ten votes, and 8/10 negative (just an example) and it may just be
declined without being seen by the judges. But, just a thought.
rg2
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the peers
> vote it out?
>
> John Sessoms wrote:
> > From:
> > "Kenneth Waller"
> >
> >> I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> >> final say on accepted images.
> >>
> >> Kenneth Waller
> >>
> > Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >
> > But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Remember, it's pillage then burn.
>
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From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:41:03 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:41:03 -0400
Subject: Reversing Ring
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens. Is this only
designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
something? Would someone please fill in the blank?
rg2
From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 1 12:45:36 2007
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:45:36 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To:
References: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <46D99730.3090601@dslextreme.com>
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 01/09/07, keith_w wrote:
>
>> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
> I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
> the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
> processing systems in one tool.
Exactly so.
> For the Mac a similar outcome could be
> achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
> re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
> sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.
Yessir. The added convenience is worth a lot, I'd say.
Perhaps they'll get 'round to making an OSX version some day.
thanks, keith
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:57:35 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:57:35 -0400
Subject: PESO - Framed
In-Reply-To:
References: <495ff4c30708280557x3f92edla3d4a08e9995aaf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709010957p1ea5e338if7484c7a5147f1aa@mail.gmail.com>
very interesting, I like it a great deal.
rg2
On 8/28/07, David J Brooks wrote:
> Very good.
>
> Dave
>
> On 8/28/07, frank theriault wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2cpb3p
> >
> > http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RtQbY12ieaI/AAAAAAAAAo0/p93bNgth5mU/s1600-h/aug_27+002.jpg
> >
> > Comments always welcome.
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> >
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From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 13:11:33 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:11:33 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <6EC47787-FCC4-4882-96CF-2A1EA1104228@pngusa.net>
Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds
like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend
toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a
manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you
have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-)
Regards,
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
> Mamiya's,
> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
> not
> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>
> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
> handholdable as
> my Mamiya's.
>
> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>
> -Adam
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Glen
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>> pursuit, I
>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>> folks?
>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>>>> keep
>>>> in mind").
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>> noticable
>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
>>> 35mm
>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>
>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
>>> off
>>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>> Winder
>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>> good
>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>>> also
>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>> 645).
>>>
>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>>> accessories on
>>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>> This is
>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>> backs
>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>> some
>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>> P645,
>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> --
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML at pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>>
>
>
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 13:06:40 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:06:40 -0400
Subject: AOVCalculator
In-Reply-To:
References: <46D79C80.5020805@mindspring.com>
<46D860EB.3050601@mindspring.com> <18a9e9330708311903o134c0ff5hfcdd11f2b1f50ec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46D99C20.3000508@mindspring.com>
Unfortunately you can't vary the input for focal length in your
formulas, which is the whole point to comparing different AOVs of
particular focal lengths on different formats. It's complicated by the
fact that different nominal focal lengths in fisheye lenses give
equivalent results. Just in Pentax we have 3 full frame 35mm format
fisheye lenses with different focal lengths, (M42 Takumar 18mm f11,
[K]17mm f4.0 A 16mm f2.8, not to mention the fisheye zooms), each
delivering ~180? diagonally, and ~110? horizontally. The image mapping
is anything but linear, which makes AOV calculations for different
formats approximate at best. However based on experimentation and known
lens focal lengths You can compare lens coverages on other formats, (but
not AOV). For example, a 17mm lens is the equivalent of a 35mm lens on
6x7 and behold Pentax made a 17mm fisheye for 35mm and a 35mm fisheye
for 6x7, 16mm on 35mm is the equivalent of a 10mm lens on the Pentax
APS-C sensor digitals, and loh Pentax makes a 10-17mm fisheye zoom for
APS-C.
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 01/09/2007, David Savage wrote:
>
>
>> (Just out of curiosity, what's the formula for fisheye lenses? It
>> would be neat if there was a check box for that)
>>
>
> >From a spread sheet I wrote a while back:
>
> VAOV (in degrees) =image height /(image width^2 + image height^2)^0.5x180
> HAOV (in degrees) =image width/(image width^2 + image height^2)^0.5x180
>
> It was my own derivation so be warned ;-)
>
>
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 13:08:27 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:08:27 -0400
Subject: Reversing Ring
In-Reply-To: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46D99C8B.8080101@mindspring.com>
The focus point is somewhere within the body of the lens on a 135mm.
Rebekah wrote:
> Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
> and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
> distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens. Is this only
> designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
> something? Would someone please fill in the blank?
>
> rg2
>
>
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From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 1 13:14:44 2007
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:14:44 -0400
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
Message-ID: <46D99E04.9020906@nc.rr.com>
From:
keith_w
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
When I first looked at it, it appeared to be Mac *ONLY*, since it has
the Mac's two-faced logo.
Looking more closely however, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.
But that closer examination also indicates it's $119 for the
"Professional" version required for DSLRs and RAW support.
Unfortunately, that "Professional" version only supports the Pentax
K100D, and at that, only for 3 lenses, two of which are *NOT* Pentax
lenses.
Don't see where it'd be much help preparing images for Pentax Gallery
submission.
From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 13:14:40 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:14:40 -0400
Subject: About Bob Shell
Message-ID: <46D99E00.4050005@mindspring.com>
I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
Internet), and I reserver comment...
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
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From msroberts01 at ysu.edu Sat Sep 1 13:20:17 2007
From: msroberts01 at ysu.edu (Mark Roberts)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:20:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Who's in Chicago?
Message-ID: <7482267.1188667217820.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
Mark Cassino wrote:
>Kalamazoo is just 150 miles out of out of Chicago - depending on
traffic
>and construction 2.5 - 3.5 hour drive. My wife and I often pop in for a
>day at the the Art Institute. I'd schlep over if you were in town. I
did
>some work at Roosevelt University and lived down on the loop for a few
>months, and always like visiting the city.
At this point I'm about 99% certain that I will be going. It's
important enough that even if my department can't foot the whole bill
I'll make up the difference myself.
It's September 30 through October 3.
From kwaller at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 1 13:50:31 2007
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Kenneth Waller)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:50:31 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
References: <368801.96917.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005001c7ecc0$99c32ed0$8639e504@D72W0H81>
> Yes!
I would certainly hope so.
Is you answer based on any communications with the gallery?
Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting
> Yes!
>
> J
> --- John Sessoms wrote:
>
>> From:
>> "Kenneth Waller"
>> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
>> > final say on accepted images.
>> >
>> > Kenneth Waller
>> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>>
>> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From johnw at carmel.ac.uk Sat Sep 1 13:40:08 2007
From: johnw at carmel.ac.uk (John Whittingham)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:40:08 +0100
Subject: Reversing Ring
In-Reply-To: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070901173836.M27153@carmel.ac.uk>
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:41:03 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
> and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
> distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens. Is this only
> designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
> something? Would someone please fill in the blank?
>
> rg2
I find best results with a 50mm or wider, prefering the larger magnification
of a 28mm reversed.
John
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 1 13:52:59 2007
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Kenneth Waller)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:52:59 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com><18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
<6bc22a10709010806w432f331fmed62f8352c8c5012@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501c7ecc0$f1b05690$8639e504@D72W0H81>
> maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
> photographers, or maybe more positive voting?
More likely it's showing the randomness of the process.
If it was a truly "bad" images I would like to believe it would not have
been accepted the second time around.
Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebekah"
Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting
> maybe this discussion has prompted more voters among the
> photographers, or maybe more positive voting? who knows. Glad to
> hear your photo got in though.
>
> rg2
>
>
> On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
>> I don't know what the hell is going on.
>>
>> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
>> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
>> > From:
>> > "Kenneth Waller"
>> > > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
>> > > final say on accepted images.
>> > >
>> > > Kenneth Waller
>> > Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>> >
>> > But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 14:05:41 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:05:41 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To: <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
Hi Adam,
I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
> Mamiya's,
> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
> not
> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>
> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
> handholdable as
> my Mamiya's.
>
> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>
> -Adam
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Glen
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>> pursuit, I
>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>> folks?
>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>>>> keep
>>>> in mind").
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>> noticable
>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
>>> 35mm
>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>
>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
>>> off
>>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>> Winder
>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>> good
>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>>> also
>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>> 645).
>>>
>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>>> accessories on
>>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>> This is
>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>> backs
>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>> some
>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>> P645,
>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> --
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML at pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>>
>
>
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From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 14:09:33 2007
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <005001c7ecc0$99c32ed0$8639e504@D72W0H81>
Message-ID: <835076.40362.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
No, it's only based on my reading of the original announcement and
recollection of the associated workings..as I remember them. 8-0
duhhhhh
Jack
--- Kenneth Waller wrote:
> > Yes!
>
> I would certainly hope so.
> Is you answer based on any communications with the gallery?
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Davis"
>
> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting
>
>
> > Yes!
> >
> > J
> > --- John Sessoms wrote:
> >
> >> From:
> >> "Kenneth Waller"
> >> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have
> the
> >> > final say on accepted images.
> >> >
> >> > Kenneth Waller
> >> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >>
> >> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
>
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From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Sep 1 14:18:28 2007
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:18:28 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000801c7ecc4$80184d90$110110ac@jcomachine>
I can say one thing, the earlier M42 Mamiya bodies were crude
bricks compared to Pentax Spotmatics.
jco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Glen Tortorella
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Hi Adam,
I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
> Mamiya's,
> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
> not
> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>
> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
> handholdable as
> my Mamiya's.
>
> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>
> -Adam
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Glen
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>> pursuit, I
>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>> folks?
>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>>>> keep
>>>> in mind").
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>> noticable
>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
>>> 35mm
>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>
>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
>>> off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>> Winder
>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>> good
>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>>> also
>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>> 645).
>>>
>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories
>>> on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>> This is
>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>> backs
>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>> some
>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>> P645,
>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> --
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML at pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>
>>
>
>
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From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 14:24:49 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:24:49 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To:
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com> <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <46D9AE71.30607@mindspring.com>
Mamiya seems to have changed lens mounts on their 35mm cameras the way
you're supposed to change tooth brushes, and the earlier lenses were
often completely incompatible. Good luck find lenses for the later
bayonet mount cameras, though when you do find them they are inexpensive.
The shutter mechanisms seem to need more care than equivalent age Pentax
cameras as well.
Glen Tortorella wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
> The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
> gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
> camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
>
> Glen
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>
>> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
>> Mamiya's,
>> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is
>> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
>> not
>> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
>> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>>
>> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
>> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my
>> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the
>> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
>> handholdable as
>> my Mamiya's.
>>
>> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
>> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's
>> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In one
>>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice
>>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>>> pursuit, I
>>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>>> folks?
>>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about
>>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>>>>> keep
>>>>> in mind").
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Glen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>>
>>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>>> noticable
>>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a
>>>> 35mm
>>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>>
>>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn
>>>> off
>>>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>>> Winder
>>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>>> good
>>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>>>> also
>>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>>> 645).
>>>>
>>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>>>> accessories on
>>>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>>> This is
>>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>>> backs
>>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>>> some
>>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>>> P645,
>>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
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From warobb at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 14:55:03 2007
From: warobb at gmail.com (William Robb)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:55:03 -0600
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com><46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7ecc9$a3690960$7301a8c0@portable>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Tortorella"
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
> Hi Adam,
>
> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
> The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
> gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
> camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and the
camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse, then
35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you.
I'll take a nice spanking from a middle aged lady first.
William Robb
From pedrorfigueiredo at sapo.pt Sat Sep 1 15:00:05 2007
From: pedrorfigueiredo at sapo.pt (P R Figueiredo)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:00:05 +0100
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
Message-ID: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a
spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features
are mostly irrelevant.
Thanks,
Pedro
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 15:27:35 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:27:35 -0400
Subject: Reversing Ring
In-Reply-To: <20070901173836.M27153@carmel.ac.uk>
References: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
<20070901173836.M27153@carmel.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709011227g1182a368t7f612e1bbbe8b2eb@mail.gmail.com>
thanks guys :o)
rg2
On 9/1/07, John Whittingham wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:41:03 -0400, Rebekah wrote
> > Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
> > and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
> > distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens. Is this only
> > designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
> > something? Would someone please fill in the blank?
> >
> > rg2
>
> I find best results with a 50mm or wider, prefering the larger magnification
> of a 28mm reversed.
>
> John
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From godders at mac.com Sat Sep 1 15:46:45 2007
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:46:45 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
References:
<46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <9E6B4B68-A9E0-44D1-8216-3357ADE9880E@mac.com>
Not sure what you mean, Keith. I'm downloading the Photo Acute Studio
package for Mac OS X right now...
G
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:14 AM, keith_w wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
>>
>
> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 15:48:26 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:48:26 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To: <46D99E04.9020906@nc.rr.com>
References: <46D99E04.9020906@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1CF3BD2D-CA55-4730-A211-A518A9AE0153@mac.com>
It's kinda like DxO software. I download and check this stuff out but
never seem to end up using it.
Godfrey
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> keith_w
>> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>>> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
>> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
> When I first looked at it, it appeared to be Mac *ONLY*, since it has
> the Mac's two-faced logo.
>
> Looking more closely however, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X and
> Linux.
>
> But that closer examination also indicates it's $119 for the
> "Professional" version required for DSLRs and RAW support.
> Unfortunately, that "Professional" version only supports the Pentax
> K100D, and at that, only for 3 lenses, two of which are *NOT* Pentax
> lenses.
>
> Don't see where it'd be much help preparing images for Pentax Gallery
> submission.
From DesJardinS at wlu.edu Sat Sep 1 15:48:22 2007
From: DesJardinS at wlu.edu (Steve Desjardins)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:48:22 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <6EC47787-FCC4-4882-96CF-2A1EA1104228@pngusa.net>
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com><46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<6EC47787-FCC4-4882-96CF-2A1EA1104228@pngusa.net>
Message-ID: <46D989C9.93F1.0024.0@wlu.edu>
I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from
KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can
do better now. My 645 body was a "bargain" one and it's in great
condition. ("Bargain" is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate
to buy one in this condition. I did get an "excellent" lens. My
dealings with KEH have been very good.
Steve
>>> Glen Tortorella 9/1/2007 1:11 PM >>>
Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds
like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend
toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a
manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you
have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-)
Regards,
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
> Mamiya's,
> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645
is
> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
> not
> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>
> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with
my
> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in
the
> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
> handholdable as
> my Mamiya's.
>
> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although
it's
> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>
> -Adam
>
> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Glen
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In
one
>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in
nice
>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>> pursuit, I
>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>> folks?
>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>> appreciate
>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or
about
>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>>>> keep
>>>> in mind").
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>> noticable
>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than
a
>>> 35mm
>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>
>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for
$800cdn
>>> off
>>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>> Winder
>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>> good
>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>>> also
>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>> 645).
>>>
>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>>> accessories on
>>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>> This is
>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>> backs
>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>> some
>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>> P645,
>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
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From Bob at Blakely.com Sat Sep 1 15:52:02 2007
From: Bob at Blakely.com (Bob Blakely)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:52:02 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To: <46D99730.3090601@dslextreme.com>
References: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
<46D99730.3090601@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <2B2D9506BCF145F9B960E379B2B12124@technocom.com>
Yes, image integration has been around for a long time and has even been
done with film - without scanning! It can bring out features to dim to be
readily seen because of film grain (or digital noise) can enhance
resolution. What it does for film in regards to grain can be quite amazing.
I use it in astro photography - every time. I use a free program called
Registack to accomplish this "stacking". I shoot through 3 or 4 filters to a
B&W CCD, perhaps 60 shots each filter (color) , stack them and assemble the
3 (or 4) resulting frames (layers) in Photoshop.
Regards,
Bob...
--------------------------------------------------------
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it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
What you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow."
----- Original Message -----
From: "keith_w"
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>> On 01/09/07, keith_w wrote:
>>
>>> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
>
>> I guess I should have been more specific in that I don't believe that
>> the concepts are new but more so the idea of combining all these
>> processing systems in one tool.
>
> Exactly so.
>
>> For the Mac a similar outcome could be
>> achieved by averaging several images that have been aligned and
>> re-rendered over-sized using a tool such as Hugin. It's just a damn
>> sight more convoluted to acheive essentially the same end.
>
> Yessir. The added convenience is worth a lot, I'd say.
>
> Perhaps they'll get 'round to making an OSX version some day.
>
> thanks, keith
From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 15:53:31 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:53:31 -0700
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
In-Reply-To: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
References: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <45749E07-BAEC-4EF9-AC49-ED19F11E6573@mac.com>
All Pentax DSLRs to date support a spot metering mode, and all work
with manual focus lenses.
G
On Sep 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, P R Figueiredo wrote:
> What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body
> with a
> spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features
> are mostly irrelevant.
From godders at mac.com Sat Sep 1 15:59:48 2007
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:59:48 -0700
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To:
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <7111D6D8-3105-470C-8222-A95BB04B13D4@mac.com>
On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote:
> ... How do you like
> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with
> it? ...
Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the
reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand-
held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the
mirror/shutter is very very smooth.
However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the
time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and
bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod
adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second.
Godfrey
From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Sep 1 16:05:31 2007
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:05:31 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To: <002201c7ecc9$a3690960$7301a8c0@portable>
Message-ID: <001401c7ecd3$7438c2c0$110110ac@jcomachine>
I cant speak for all the Mamiya 35mm lens series, but the SX
(M42) series 35mm lenses are all optically superb but mechanically
lame. They make good users on a budget if you dont mind the
inferior "feel" they have compared to the takumars. The bodies
of that era were all really bad clunkers as I posted earlier.
I have a bunch of the SX lenses that take fantastic film images but
onc caveat is you cant use them easily on digital because they
lack manual aperture modes...
jco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of
William Robb
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:55 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Tortorella"
Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
> Hi Adam,
>
> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The
> ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather
> it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera
> bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and
the
camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse,
then
35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you.
I'll take a nice spanking from a middle aged lady first.
William Robb
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From msroberts01 at ysu.edu Sat Sep 1 16:07:44 2007
From: msroberts01 at ysu.edu (Mark Roberts)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
Message-ID: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
P. J. Alling wrote:
>The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the
>peers vote it out?
My understanding is that the peers can't actually "vote it out". In
other words, the peer voting is used to give some rough prioritizing
before the judges do their thing.
From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 16:23:24 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:23:24 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <7111D6D8-3105-470C-8222-A95BB04B13D4@mac.com>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<7111D6D8-3105-470C-8222-A95BB04B13D4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <56FBD952-146F-4F22-9190-695A5468FA00@pngusa.net>
Thank you, Godfrey, et. al. :-)
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote:
>
>> ... How do you like
>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with
>> it? ...
>
> Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the
> reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand-
> held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the
> mirror/shutter is very very smooth.
>
> However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the
> time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and
> bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod
> adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a
> second.
>
> Godfrey
>
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From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 1 16:15:11 2007
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:15:11 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
Message-ID: <46D9C84F.4080608@nc.rr.com>
Indeed, that's it exactly.
From:
"P. J. Alling"
> The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the
> peers vote it out?
>
> John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> "Kenneth Waller"
>> I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
>> final say on accepted images.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>
> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From pedrorfigueiredo at sapo.pt Sat Sep 1 16:19:31 2007
From: pedrorfigueiredo at sapo.pt (P R Figueiredo)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:19:31 +0100
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
In-Reply-To: <45749E07-BAEC-4EF9-AC49-ED19F11E6573@mac.com>
References: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
<45749E07-BAEC-4EF9-AC49-ED19F11E6573@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46D9C953.60607@sapo.pt>
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> All Pentax DSLRs to date support a spot metering mode, and all work
> with manual focus lenses.
Ouch, my mistake... Somehow I managed to forget to say I was looking for
a film camera body. Living in the past and all that. Thanks, anyway. I
know I should have mentioned this in the first place.
Pedro
From msroberts01 at ysu.edu Sat Sep 1 16:19:27 2007
From: msroberts01 at ysu.edu (Mark Roberts)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:19:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New In Box 28-70 f/4.0
Message-ID: <3888541.1188677967320.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
I stopped by Pittsburgh's only remaining independent camera store
today. It's as chaotic as ever, but full of interesting stuff (stock
that they've had - and not been able to sell - since around 1970, for
example. They've been mainly Canon/Nikon ever since I've lived here,
keeping just a few old Pentax items on stock, beacuse they are
officially a dealer. I noticed that they're now carrying the K100D.
And right next to the new K100D on the shelf were TWO new-in-the-box FA
28-70 f/4.0 lenses! I didn't check for the element separation problem
(though they *are* still in warranty!) but I asked the price. $199.00
if anyone's interested.
They would probably fetch more than that on eBay...
From warobb at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 16:22:00 2007
From: warobb at gmail.com (William Robb)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:22:00 -0600
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
References: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <004701c7ecd5$d32f7380$7301a8c0@portable>
----- Original Message -----
From: "P R Figueiredo"
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
> What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a
> spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features
> are mostly irrelevant.
Why not just buy a spot meter? There are several on ebay at the moment.
William Robb
From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 16:32:16 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:32:16 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <46D989C9.93F1.0024.0@wlu.edu>
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com><46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<6EC47787-FCC4-4882-96CF-2A1EA1104228@pngusa.net>
<46D989C9.93F1.0024.0@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <355027CB-26E6-4D87-B16D-8B69DD6A1337@pngusa.net>
Hi Steve,
I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The
"outfit" price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these
designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this
condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape
than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?...
Before I forget: does KEH include the "little" things in their
outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens?
Thanks,
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago
> from
> KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can
> do better now. My 645 body was a "bargain" one and it's in great
> condition. ("Bargain" is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate
> to buy one in this condition. I did get an "excellent" lens. My
> dealings with KEH have been very good.
>
> Steve
>
>>>> Glen Tortorella 9/1/2007 1:11 PM >>>
> Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds
> like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend
> toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a
> manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you
> have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-)
>
> Regards,
> Glen
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my
>> Mamiya's,
>> Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645
> is
>> IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm
>
>> not
>> a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered
>> metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's.
>>
>> 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier.
>> They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with
> my
>> old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in
> the
>> camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as
>> handholdable as
>> my Mamiya's.
>>
>> You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF
>> SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB & RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although
> it's
>> probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well)
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>> Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing
>>> option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like
>>> handling the 645 (i.e. the "feel" of it)? Is it more of a "tripod
>>> only" type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it?
>>> Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super
>>> Program) or is it all metal?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glen Tortorella wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to a somewhat "local" camera shop today to buy film. In
> one
>>>>> of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in
> nice
>>>>> shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though.
>>>>> Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some
>>>>> interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's
>>>>> Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive
>>>>> pursuit, I
>>>>> have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments,
>>>>> folks?
>>>>> I know little about this type of photography, and I would
>>>>> appreciate
>>>>> any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or
> about
>>>>> medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and "things to
>
>>>>> keep
>>>>> in mind").
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Glen
>>>>>
>>>> Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body).
>>>>
>>>> I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really
>>>> noticable
>>>> quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than
> a
>>>> 35mm
>>>> pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v.
>>>>
>>>> I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for
> $800cdn
>>>> off
>>>> a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N,
>>>> Winder
>>>> N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a
>>>> good
>>>> price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I
>
>>>> also
>>>> own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older
>>>> 645).
>>>>
>>>> The Pentax units have several features built-in that are
>>>> accessories on
>>>> the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs).
>>>> This is
>>>> generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual
>>>> backs
>>>> are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645,
>>>> some
>>>> Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the
>>>> P645,
>>>> the others being increased reliability and the price was right).
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
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From toralf at procaptura.com Sat Sep 1 16:25:32 2007
From: toralf at procaptura.com (Toralf Lund)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:25:32 +0200
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
In-Reply-To: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
References: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <46D9CABC.4060807@procaptura.com>
P R Figueiredo wrote:
> What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a
> spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features
> are mostly irrelevant.
>
You mean a film body?
If you want a body with a separately selectable spot-metering mode, you
really only have 3 or 4 options. I suspect the MZ-5/ZX-5 will be the
cheapest of them.
There are also a number of bodies that will switch to spot metering when
you press the "hyper" button in hyper manual mode (they otherwise used
center-weighted or multi-segment metering.) These include the SF-7,
(P)Z-20, (P)-Z20 and MZ-6/ZX-L. The SF and Z/PZ bodies in particular
should cost you next to nothing used.
All these are AF bodies that have full support for all Pentax K-mount
lenses. I don't think there is a fully manual body with a spot meter.
For more details, consult http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ - as usual.
> Thanks,
> Pedro
>
>
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 16:28:41 2007
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:28:41 -0400
Subject: Biting My Tongue
Message-ID: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
I was in the only decent camera store in the Detroit area today --
Camera Mart in Pontiac. A man was at the counter with a list of
cameras he had downloaded from the internet. He asked about the
inexpensive 10 megapixel Canon, whatever it's called, the D40X Nikon,
and the Pentax K10D. The counterman showed him the Canon and the
Nikon and tried to move him to choose. The customer asked, "What
about the Pentax. I want to see the Pentax." Well, this store has
been stocking some Pentax lately. They pushed a few out the door when
they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman
hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.
(They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few
K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better
camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.
Paul
From jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 1 16:29:08 2007
From: jsessoms002 at nc.rr.com (John Sessoms)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:29:08 -0400
Subject: The 645
Message-ID: <46D9CB94.4040601@nc.rr.com>
From:
"Steve Desjardins"
> I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from
> KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can
> do better now. My 645 body was a "bargain" one and it's in great
> condition. ("Bargain" is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate
> to buy one in this condition. I did get an "excellent" lens. My
> dealings with KEH have been very good.
I can second that.
KEH's ratings are very, very conservative. What KEH calls "Bargain",
most others would call "Very Good". In fact, I've received items KEH
rated "Bargain" that they could have legitimately rated "Excellent" by
their own published standards.
Their "Bargain" really IS a bargain.
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 16:32:31 2007
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:32:31 -0400
Subject: About Bob Shell
In-Reply-To: <46D99E00.4050005@mindspring.com>
References: <46D99E00.4050005@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <36FB6796-2F7A-4EBE-AD25-B9338AFE1553@comcast.net>
Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
Paul
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
> Internet), and I reserver comment...
>
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/
> blog_index.html
>
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From pfairweather at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 16:33:58 2007
From: pfairweather at gmail.com (Peter Fairweather)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:33:58 +0100
Subject: OT "clarity" in RAW
Message-ID: <5f22ffd10709011333m1478a2c6vde86ac99e474f982@mail.gmail.com>
I was looking at the sliders in RAW ( after loading an image in ACR
4.1 in CS3 ).
There is one called "clarity" in the same group as vibrancy and
saturation. What is it? Neither of my books show it. I am using the
Windows version, their images appear to be from the MAC version.
It appears to act as a sophisticated sharpening tool.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Peter
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 16:39:11 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:39:11 -0400
Subject: Biting My Tongue
In-Reply-To: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
References: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709011339o127578acy7f6dd2c9ba539f07@mail.gmail.com>
you should have said something. It's the responsibility of the Pentax
enlightened, like youself, to "enable" all others.
rg2
On 9/1/07, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I was in the only decent camera store in the Detroit area today --
> Camera Mart in Pontiac. A man was at the counter with a list of
> cameras he had downloaded from the internet. He asked about the
> inexpensive 10 megapixel Canon, whatever it's called, the D40X Nikon,
> and the Pentax K10D. The counterman showed him the Canon and the
> Nikon and tried to move him to choose. The customer asked, "What
> about the Pentax. I want to see the Pentax." Well, this store has
> been stocking some Pentax lately. They pushed a few out the door when
> they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman
> hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.
> (They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few
> K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better
> camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.
> Paul
>
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From cottycam at mac.com Sat Sep 1 16:41:03 2007
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:41:03 +0100
Subject: Biting My Tongue
In-Reply-To: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
References: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20070901204103.1200106253@smtp.mac.com>
On 01/09/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>They pushed a few out the door when
>they first appeared, and they couldn't ignore them. So the counterman
>hurriedly checked the Pentax stock and announced he had no K10Ds.
>(They haven't had them in months as far as I can tell. Then had a few
>K100s.) Well, he said. The Nikon D40X is newer, so it's a much better
>camera. I wanted to chime in. But I didn't. Not my job.
Paul, you know marketing better than most. You know where the blame
lies, and where the shame lies.
I don't shoot Pentax anymore, and that's a shame!
Best,
--
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com
_____________________________
From wowens1 at carolina.rr.com Sat Sep 1 17:17:14 2007
From: wowens1 at carolina.rr.com (Bill Owens)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:17:14 -0400
Subject: Attn Graywolf
Message-ID: <000001c7ecdd$77d36a20$0201a8c0@D2PK0PB1>
How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?
Bill
From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Sep 1 17:36:35 2007
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:36:35 -0700
Subject: OT Interesting concept in image enhancement
In-Reply-To: <9E6B4B68-A9E0-44D1-8216-3357ADE9880E@mac.com>
References: <46D965CC.1080100@dslextreme.com>
<9E6B4B68-A9E0-44D1-8216-3357ADE9880E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46D9DB63.9080403@dslextreme.com>
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Not sure what you mean, Keith. I'm downloading the Photo Acute Studio
> package for Mac OS X right now...
>
> G
>
What this literalist means is, I went to the site posted below, opened it, and
found, under "system requirements" to mention all manner of Windows operating
systems, but no Macs.
I quote:
System requirements:
Windows 9x, Me, NT, 2000, XP, 2003
Pentium-III or Athlon-XP or better processor with SSE support
512 MB RAM (more recommended)
1GB or more RAM recommended for processing RAW images
That's what lead me to believe it hadn't been ported for the Mac yet.
BAsed on your comments, I did delve further, and found it does support Macs.
I'll download the OSX version, soon as I leave here.
Thanks for pointing it out!
keith
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:14 AM, keith_w wrote:
>
>> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>>> http://www.photoacute.com/studio/index.html
>> Impressive, except it hasn't been written for the Mac yet.
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Sat Sep 1 17:39:19 2007
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:39:19 -0700
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
<18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <147150587218.20070901143919@daytonphoto.com>
Now you are starting to see my complaint. I truly believe that a
certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
it. Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
luck of the draw on timing. So sometimes, a subset may overall reject
a photo and sometimes accept it. That is why I was saying that the
type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection. All of my wedding
shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
nothing has made it through. Go figure. I'm sure it has to be an
amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:
DS> I don't know what the hell is going on.
DS> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
DS> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
DS> ???
DS> Cheers,
DS> Dave
DS> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
>> From:
>> "Kenneth Waller"
>> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
>> > final say on accepted images.
>> >
>> > Kenneth Waller
>> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
>>
>> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 17:45:04 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:45:04 -0400
Subject: About Bob Shell
In-Reply-To: <36FB6796-2F7A-4EBE-AD25-B9338AFE1553@comcast.net>
References: <46D99E00.4050005@mindspring.com>
<36FB6796-2F7A-4EBE-AD25-B9338AFE1553@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <46D9DD60.7080302@mindspring.com>
I don't know all of the facts in the case, but violent felons have
received lessor sentences for murder than the 37 years that seems to be
the jury recommendation here. Seems somehow out of proportion for
involuntary manslaughter.
Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
> Paul
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
>> Internet), and I reserver comment...
>>
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/
>> blog_index.html
>>
>> --
>> Remember, it?s pillage then burn.
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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From johnf at panix.com Sat Sep 1 17:49:47 2007
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:49:47 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
References: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
Message-ID: <20070901214947.GA13376@panix.com>
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:07:44PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> >The question should be; Will the judges even see the photo, if the
> >peers vote it out?
>
> My understanding is that the peers can't actually "vote it out". In
> other words, the peer voting is used to give some rough prioritizing
> before the judges do their thing.
How does that square with the almost instantaneous rejections?
From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 17:52:46 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:52:46 -0700
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <355027CB-26E6-4D87-B16D-8B69DD6A1337@pngusa.net>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com> <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<6EC47787-FCC4-4882-96CF-2A1EA1104228@pngusa.net>
<46D989C9.93F1.0024.0@wlu.edu>
<355027CB-26E6-4D87-B16D-8B69DD6A1337@pngusa.net>
Message-ID:
Usually they rate the package as a whole when you buy an "outfit".
They usually also list whether it includes caps, manual, etc. I
always want them to include caps, or I buy them separately at the
same time, but manuals are often a different matter entirely. An EXC
rating from them means practically new condition. I've bought many a
"BARGAIN" rated item and thought they'd sent the wrong one.. !
If you have any questions, call them before ordering. They're good to
deal with.
Godfrey
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote:
> I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The
> "outfit" price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these
> designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this
> condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape
> than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?...
>
> Before I forget: does KEH include the "little" things in their
> outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens?
From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 17:50:17 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:50:17 -0400
Subject: pentax bodies with spot metering mode
In-Reply-To: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
References: <46D9B6B5.1080009@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <46D9DE99.7070303@mindspring.com>
You can probably get the MZ-6/ZX-L or the Z-50p fairly cheaply both
offer spot metering with K and M series lenses, and are not it
particularly high demand...
P R Figueiredo wrote:
> What would be my options for a cheaply available pentax slr body with a
> spot metering mode that works with manual focus lenses? Other features
> are mostly irrelevant.
>
> Thanks,
> Pedro
>
>
--
Remember, it?s pillage then burn.
From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 17:54:58 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:54:58 -0700
Subject: OT "clarity" in RAW
In-Reply-To: <5f22ffd10709011333m1478a2c6vde86ac99e474f982@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f22ffd10709011333m1478a2c6vde86ac99e474f982@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote:
> I was looking at the sliders in RAW ( after loading an image in ACR
> 4.1 in CS3 ).
>
> There is one called "clarity" in the same group as vibrancy and
> saturation. What is it? Neither of my books show it. I am using the
> Windows version, their images appear to be from the MAC version.
>
> It appears to act as a sophisticated sharpening tool.
Clarity is new in Lightroom v1.1, the upgrade module in the Luminous
Landscape tutorial set covers it. It acts as selective area contrast
adjustment, with results that are similar to using Unsharp Mask with
a very large pixel count and a very small percentage value.
Best thing to do is to experiment and see how it is useful to you...
Godfrey
From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 18:00:42 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:00:42 -0700
Subject: Biting My Tongue
In-Reply-To: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
References: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6588BC47-A11C-47DD-B055-1583A68EBD21@mac.com>
At occasions like these, if I have the K10D with me, I pull it out of
the bag and set it on the counter feigning interest in something that
will fit it. That usually sparks a conversation.
Most people, as soon as they handle the K10D with the DA21 or FA43
fitted to it, wonder why the very compact Nikon and Canon cameras
feel bulky and cheap ... cheap shot, but it's fun.
I don't, however, have any illusions about obligations to sell Pentax
gear. I don't "sell" it, I just answer questions if they arise. It
sells itself given a moment that people can see it.
G
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 18:02:35 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:02:35 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <147150587218.20070901143919@daytonphoto.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
<18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
<147150587218.20070901143919@daytonphoto.com>
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709011502s3742ceccgc4e41977ae12c06d@mail.gmail.com>
If a certain number of votes rejects an image before it gets to the
judges, I think it would be good if there were some requirements to be
met before one could vote. I signed up, and suddenly have the power
to vote, so this suggests that anyone could simply sign up and start
negatively voting everyone's photos. Perhaps after a photographer has
had a certain number of photos accepted into the gallery? I don't
know, but I really don't believe that such power should be handed out
to anyone.
rg2
On 9/1/07, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Now you are starting to see my complaint. I truly believe that a
> certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
> it. Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
> than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
> luck of the draw on timing. So sometimes, a subset may overall reject
> a photo and sometimes accept it. That is why I was saying that the
> type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection. All of my wedding
> shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
> nothing has made it through. Go figure. I'm sure it has to be an
> amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
> stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:
>
> DS> I don't know what the hell is going on.
>
> DS> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
> DS> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>
> DS> ???
>
> DS> Cheers,
>
> DS> Dave
>
>
> DS> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> >> From:
> >> "Kenneth Waller"
> >> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> >> > final say on accepted images.
> >> >
> >> > Kenneth Waller
> >> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >>
> >> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
>
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From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 18:09:52 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:09:52 +1000
Subject: AOVCalculator
In-Reply-To: <46D99C20.3000508@mindspring.com>
References: <46D79C80.5020805@mindspring.com> <46D860EB.3050601@mindspring.com>
<18a9e9330708311903o134c0ff5hfcdd11f2b1f50ec1@mail.gmail.com>
<46D99C20.3000508@mindspring.com>
Message-ID:
On 02/09/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Unfortunately you can't vary the input for focal length in your
> formulas, which is the whole point to comparing different AOVs of
> particular focal lengths on different formats. It's complicated by the
> fact that different nominal focal lengths in fisheye lenses give
> equivalent results. Just in Pentax we have 3 full frame 35mm format
> fisheye lenses with different focal lengths, (M42 Takumar 18mm f11,
> [K]17mm f4.0 A 16mm f2.8, not to mention the fisheye zooms), each
> delivering ~180? diagonally, and ~110? horizontally. The image mapping
> is anything but linear, which makes AOV calculations for different
> formats approximate at best. However based on experimentation and known
> lens focal lengths You can compare lens coverages on other formats, (but
> not AOV). For example, a 17mm lens is the equivalent of a 35mm lens on
> 6x7 and behold Pentax made a 17mm fisheye for 35mm and a 35mm fisheye
> for 6x7, 16mm on 35mm is the equivalent of a 10mm lens on the Pentax
> APS-C sensor digitals, and loh Pentax makes a 10-17mm fisheye zoom for
> APS-C.
Indeed, I left out a crucial parameter in that it was is relevant only
for a fisheye lens that produced 180degrees diagonal coverage on a
full frame. I pulled it out of my pano spread sheet where it worked a
charm.
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From ramarren at mac.com Sat Sep 1 18:12:19 2007
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:12:19 -0700
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <20070901214947.GA13376@panix.com>
References: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
<20070901214947.GA13376@panix.com>
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I had a conversation with John Carlson a while back regards the
Pentax Photo Gallery submission voting process because I had/have
misgivings about it and am very uncomfortable. This is an excerpt
from his reply:
---
> "We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images
> we have to review. Even without promotion of the site, we are
> receiving more images than we can review with our current
> manpower. Once this site is openly promoted and advertised, the
> number of images submitted will only increase. We have no
> intention of making this an "exclusive" site with a limited number
> of photographers, but we also want the best images.
>
> Some images are declined automatically once they meet a certain
> criteria determined by Pentax. Currently, the thresholds are set
> extremely low. An image must have at least 20 votes, with less
> than 25% of those favorable, to be automatically declined.
> Unfortunately, this may lead to some good images being declined,
> but for the first two weeks we have had this system in place, the
> voters have been relatively accurate in their opinions. As we
> receive more images, and more voters, we can adjust the thresholds
> up or down to make sure we are looking at the best images. I
> imagine as the site is promoted and more artists are added, we will
> have to increase the thresholds.
>
> Ultimately, Pentax makes the final decision on images accepted to
> the gallery. It is still a matter of the judging committee looking
> at a large number of images, and selecting pictures that show the
> best of what Pentax equipment and photographers can do. There have
> been images that have received a large number of positive votes
> that we have declined, just as there has been images with few
> positive votes that we have accepted."
---
I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's
submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are
declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be
140-180 submitted photos.
How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit work
that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with the
opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web gallery.
Godfrey
From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 18:28:17 2007
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <147150587218.20070901143919@daytonphoto.com>
Message-ID: <540511.96803.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
There may be a bit of.."if mine can't make it in, this sure as hell
can't". Call it resentment, but I imagine there is a lot of sincerity,
also, involved.
It becomes a comparison of subjects and styles rather than a wholly
artistic/technical evaluation.
Jack
--- Bruce Dayton wrote:
> Now you are starting to see my complaint. I truly believe that a
> certain number of no votes will reject it and the judges will not see
> it. Basically, because the number of artists voting is much larger
> than the judges, you will always get a subset of them who will vote -
> luck of the draw on timing. So sometimes, a subset may overall
> reject
> a photo and sometimes accept it. That is why I was saying that the
> type of shooter may adversely effect the rejection. All of my
> wedding
> shots that were accepted were before the artist voting, since then,
> nothing has made it through. Go figure. I'm sure it has to be an
> amazing shot to get past all the artist voting - and maybe at this
> stage that is ok - there is quite a bit in the gallery now.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:48:42 AM, you wrote:
>
> DS> I don't know what the hell is going on.
>
> DS> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined
> (the
> DS> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>
> DS> ???
>
> DS> Cheers,
>
> DS> Dave
>
>
> DS> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> >> From:
> >> "Kenneth Waller"
> >> > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have
> the
> >> > final say on accepted images.
> >> >
> >> > Kenneth Waller
> >> Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >>
> >> But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
>
>
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From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 18:30:32 2007
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:30:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: About Bob Shell
In-Reply-To: <46D9DD60.7080302@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <949423.97632.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Actually is a pretty scary set of actions, true or not.
Jack
--- "P. J. Alling" wrote:
> I don't know all of the facts in the case, but violent felons have
> received lessor sentences for murder than the 37 years that seems to
> be
> the jury recommendation here. Seems somehow out of proportion for
> involuntary manslaughter.
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > Darn. Apparently the jury didn't reserve comment.
> > Paul
> > On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on
> the
> >> Internet), and I reserver comment...
> >>
> >> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/
> >> blog_index.html
> >>
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From supera at bluebottle.com Sat Sep 1 18:40:20 2007
From: supera at bluebottle.com (Brian Walters)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:40:20 -0700
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <48240848-B457-4FB6-B5F4-FAE570EC52BA@mac.com>
References: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
<20070901214947.GA13376@panix.com>
<48240848-B457-4FB6-B5F4-FAE570EC52BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1188686420.46d9ea5477699@mail.bluebottle.com>
Well stated, Godfrey. That' how I feel about the process as well.
If someone feels strongly about the rejection of a particular image there's nothing to stop a resubmission. As a few of us have found out, it may be accepted the second time around.
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's
> submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
>
> and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are
> declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be
> 140-180 submitted photos.
>
> How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
>
> other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit
> work
> that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with
> the
> opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web
> gallery.
>
> Godfrey
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From msroberts01 at ysu.edu Sat Sep 1 18:40:52 2007
From: msroberts01 at ysu.edu (Mark Roberts)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
Message-ID: <4943299.1188686452460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu>
David Savage wrote:
>One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
>sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>
>???
This has happened to others as well. It happened to Doug Brewer, for
one. And I might note that it happened long before the peer voting
system was implemented, so it's clearly not related.
From supera at bluebottle.com Sat Sep 1 18:52:36 2007
From: supera at bluebottle.com (Brian Walters)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:52:36 -0700
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To:
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <1188687156.46d9ed342a286@mail.bluebottle.com>
Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option.
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
Quoting Glen Tortorella :
> Hi Adam,
>
> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
>
> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
>
> The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
>
> gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
> camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
>
> Glen
>
>
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Sat Sep 1 19:13:37 2007
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:13:37 -0400
Subject: Attn Graywolf
In-Reply-To: <000001c7ecdd$77d36a20$0201a8c0@D2PK0PB1>
References: <000001c7ecdd$77d36a20$0201a8c0@D2PK0PB1>
Message-ID: <46D9F221.5060507@charter.net>
None by this old Michigander . However, I am pretty glad I am not out
there on the streets.
Bill Owens wrote:
> How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?
>
> Bill
>
>
From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 19:16:34 2007
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
Message-ID:
I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
at the BIN price. It was a small gamble since there was no
description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
enough to take the risk:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156873837&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017
I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
after ten days. I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal. However it
arrived today via US mail in fine condition. It was a little dusty,
had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
--
Perry Pellechia
Primary email: pellechia at sc.edu
Alternate email: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 19:37:00 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:37:00 -0400
Subject: Biting My Tongue
In-Reply-To: <6588BC47-A11C-47DD-B055-1583A68EBD21@mac.com>
References: <16B45C40-15DD-4D0A-AD08-C185C103B885@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <16099E05-C00F-453F-8A1B-A1BE8802B51D@pngusa.net>
Hi Godfrey,
It sounds like you are a Pentax dealer. If so, where is your shop?
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> At occasions like these, if I have the K10D with me, I pull it out of
> the bag and set it on the counter feigning interest in something that
> will fit it. That usually sparks a conversation.
>
> Most people, as soon as they handle the K10D with the DA21 or FA43
> fitted to it, wonder why the very compact Nikon and Canon cameras
> feel bulky and cheap ... cheap shot, but it's fun.
>
> I don't, however, have any illusions about obligations to sell Pentax
> gear. I don't "sell" it, I just answer questions if they arise. It
> sells itself given a moment that people can see it.
>
> G
>
>
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From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sat Sep 1 19:39:49 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:39:49 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To: <1188687156.46d9ed342a286@mail.bluebottle.com>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<1188687156.46d9ed342a286@mail.bluebottle.com>
Message-ID: <5A33FB45-6B46-4DAB-A09E-AFC12080A457@pngusa.net>
Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or
experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras?
Glen
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought
> I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera)
> that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it,
> seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter
> tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two
> Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Glen Tortorella :
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
>>
>> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
>>
>> The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
>>
>> gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
>> camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>
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From mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 1 19:35:50 2007
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:35:50 -0400
Subject: The 645
In-Reply-To: <7111D6D8-3105-470C-8222-A95BB04B13D4@mac.com>
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<7111D6D8-3105-470C-8222-A95BB04B13D4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46D9F756.2020506@mykroft.com>
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the
> time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and
> bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod
> adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second.
>
> Godfrey
>
The dual tripod mounts is one feature I really wish my Mamiya had.
Instead I get a hotshoe mounted on the side of the camera (kinda silly
setup).
-Adam
From mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 1 19:38:44 2007
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:38:44 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To:
References: <46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com> <46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <46D9F804.3020302@mykroft.com>
The Mamiya 35mm stuff is a little odd. Mamiya never actually wanted to
get into the 35mm market and were forced to by their US distributor. And
thus their 35mm line never really gelled. There were a few good items,
but by and large it was yet another low-end japanese SLR line a la Ricoh
, Konica or Chinon.
I've little interest in Mamiya's 35mm stuff. The only mamiya kit other
than the 645 stuff that really interests me is the MF Rangefinders. I'd
love a Mamiya 6 or 7.
-Adam
Glen Tortorella wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever
> tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them?
> The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I
> gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black
> camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up.
>
> Glen
>
From mykroft at mykroft.com Sat Sep 1 19:39:13 2007
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:39:13 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <46D9F821.7030000@mykroft.com>
Wow! Looks like you lucked out bigtime.
-Adam
Perry Pellechia wrote:
> I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
> at the BIN price. It was a small gamble since there was no
> description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
> enough to take the risk:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156873837&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017
>
> I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
> after ten days. I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
> a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal. However it
> arrived today via US mail in fine condition. It was a little dusty,
> had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
> a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
>
> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
>
From distudio at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 19:39:30 2007
From: distudio at gmail.com (Digital Image Studio)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:39:30 +1000
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
> after ten days. I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
> a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal. However it
> arrived today via US mail in fine condition. It was a little dusty,
> had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
> a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
indicates that they are still a current product.
> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
a bit flaky in anything but great light.
--
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From stan at stans-photography.info Sat Sep 1 19:42:34 2007
From: stan at stans-photography.info (Stan Halpin)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:42:34 -0500
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <0AAE3814-FB7F-4557-B25A-F856AE0832FC@stans-photography.info>
Quick, go out and buy a lottery ticket before your lucky streak ends!
stan
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
> at the BIN price. It was a small gamble since there was no
> description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
> enough to take the risk:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156873837&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017
>
> I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
> after ten days. I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
> a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal. However it
> arrived today via US mail in fine condition. It was a little dusty,
> had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
> a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
>
> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up
> with the TC?
>
> --
>
> Perry Pellechia
>
> Primary email: pellechia at sc.edu
> Alternate email: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com
> Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
>
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From warobb at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 20:13:42 2007
From: warobb at gmail.com (William Robb)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:13:42 -0600
Subject: Its picture time.
Message-ID: <004d01c7ecf6$20fb7990$7401a8c0@portable>
bye for now.
William Robb
From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 20:37:24 2007
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:37:24 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
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lol. probably too late.
On 9/1/07, Stan Halpin wrote:
> Quick, go out and buy a lottery ticket before your lucky streak ends!
>
> stan
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:
>
> > I do not watch eBay religiously but when I saw this listing I jumped
> > at the BIN price. It was a small gamble since there was no
> > description on the condition, but the price plus shipping was low
> > enough to take the risk:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156873837&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017
> >
> > I was starting to get a little nervous when I did not receiver it
> > after ten days. I thought the seller figured out he could have gotten
> > a lot more for it and was not going to complete the deal. However it
> > arrived today via US mail in fine condition. It was a little dusty,
> > had some finger prints on the optics but $35 (including shipping) for
> > a SMC-F 1.7x AF teleconverter has to be my best eBay purchase.
> >
> > BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up
> > with the TC?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Perry Pellechia
> >
> > Primary email: pellechia at sc.edu
> > Alternate email: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com
> > Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
> >
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From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 20:44:44 2007
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:44:44 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
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On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
> that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
> compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
> indicates that they are still a current product.
If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is selling
them on eBay. They would probably be able to turn a good profit with
the prices they go for now.
>
> > BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
>
> Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
> a bit flaky in anything but great light.
That's what I was afraid of. It seems to work very well with my
Tamron 90mm/F2.8. I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC makes
sense.
From danmatyola at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 21:08:14 2007
From: danmatyola at gmail.com (Daniel J. Matyola)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:08:14 -0400
Subject: Moon Eclipse Composite
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Here's another portrayal of the eclipse, from the Astronomy Picture of
the Day site:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070901.html
Dan
On 8/31/07, Brian Walters wrote:
> Thanks Dan. Much appreciated.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
>
> Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
>
> > Wow! a really great portrayal of the event. Thanks for sharing
> > it.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 8/29/07, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> > > Very well done!
> > >
> > >
> > > Kenneth Waller
> > > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Walters"
> > > Subject: PESO: Moon Eclipse Composite
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > My attempts at photographing last night's eclipse seem to have
> > struck
> > > > similar problems to others - noisy images that, in my case,
> > looked abysmal
> > > > at full totality.
> > > >
> > > > The only answer was to reduce the size of the images and make a
> > composite.
> > > > All told I took about 50 photos from start to finish of the
> > eclipse - the
> > > > composite is made up of 20.
> > > >
> > > > I used a Tamron SP 300 mm lens plus 2x converter at shot at ISO
> > 800 to try
> > > > to keep movement of the moon during the exposures to a
> > minimum.
> > > >
> > > > The result is at:
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/71394/Moon_Eclipse_Composite.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Comments, as always, welcome.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > Brian Walters
> > > > Western Sydney, Australia
>
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Sat Sep 1 21:10:15 2007
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:10:15 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
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Too much work for me. I will submit one image now and then -- perhaps
one every two weeks or so. But I don't have time to submit a large
quantity of work. And I feel more comfortable editing my submissions
down to a very few.
Paul
On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I had a conversation with John Carlson a while back regards the
> Pentax Photo Gallery submission voting process because I had/have
> misgivings about it and am very uncomfortable. This is an excerpt
> from his reply:
>
> ---
>> "We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images
>> we have to review. Even without promotion of the site, we are
>> receiving more images than we can review with our current
>> manpower. Once this site is openly promoted and advertised, the
>> number of images submitted will only increase. We have no
>> intention of making this an "exclusive" site with a limited number
>> of photographers, but we also want the best images.
>>
>> Some images are declined automatically once they meet a certain
>> criteria determined by Pentax. Currently, the thresholds are set
>> extremely low. An image must have at least 20 votes, with less
>> than 25% of those favorable, to be automatically declined.
>> Unfortunately, this may lead to some good images being declined,
>> but for the first two weeks we have had this system in place, the
>> voters have been relatively accurate in their opinions. As we
>> receive more images, and more voters, we can adjust the thresholds
>> up or down to make sure we are looking at the best images. I
>> imagine as the site is promoted and more artists are added, we will
>> have to increase the thresholds.
>>
>> Ultimately, Pentax makes the final decision on images accepted to
>> the gallery. It is still a matter of the judging committee looking
>> at a large number of images, and selecting pictures that show the
>> best of what Pentax equipment and photographers can do. There have
>> been images that have received a large number of positive votes
>> that we have declined, just as there has been images with few
>> positive votes that we have accepted."
> ---
>
> I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's
> submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
> and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are
> declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be
> 140-180 submitted photos.
>
> How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
> other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit work
> that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with the
> opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web gallery.
>
> Godfrey
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From mishka.i at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 21:15:57 2007
From: mishka.i at gmail.com (Mishka)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:15:57 -0400
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
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how do you like its focussing feel?
best,
mishka
On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> (largish page ~ 880kb):
>
>
>
> I have to say I'm very impressed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 21:17:20 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:17:20 -0400
Subject: Moon Eclipse Composite
In-Reply-To:
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I bet that guy was tired at work the next day... :o) thanks for
sharing, awesome picture. I love eclipses.
rg2
On 9/1/07, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Here's another portrayal of the eclipse, from the Astronomy Picture of
> the Day site:
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070901.html
>
> Dan
>
> On 8/31/07, Brian Walters wrote:
> > Thanks Dan. Much appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Daniel J. Matyola" :
> >
> > > Wow! a really great portrayal of the event. Thanks for sharing
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > On 8/29/07, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> > > > Very well done!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kenneth Waller
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian Walters"
> > > > Subject: PESO: Moon Eclipse Composite
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > >
> > > > > My attempts at photographing last night's eclipse seem to have
> > > struck
> > > > > similar problems to others - noisy images that, in my case,
> > > looked abysmal
> > > > > at full totality.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only answer was to reduce the size of the images and make a
> > > composite.
> > > > > All told I took about 50 photos from start to finish of the
> > > eclipse - the
> > > > > composite is made up of 20.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used a Tamron SP 300 mm lens plus 2x converter at shot at ISO
> > > 800 to try
> > > > > to keep movement of the moon during the exposures to a
> > > minimum.
> > > > >
> > > > > The result is at:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/71394/Moon_Eclipse_Composite.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Comments, as always, welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > Brian Walters
> > > > > Western Sydney, Australia
> >
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From ti-oes at online.no Sat Sep 1 21:38:29 2007
From: ti-oes at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tim_=D8sleby?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:38:29 +0200
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
References:
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Congratulation Perry.
I mainly use mine with a Tamron adaptall SP 300/2,8 LD. I've had a lot of
fun with that combo.
It focuses fine with my Tokina 100-300/4 in daylight.
I've also used it with the K-500/4,5. In bright light and high contrast
motifs it locks. I'd say thats the limit.
I'll strongly recomend to stay away from lenses with significant CA
problems. With the K-500 I need to step down at least 2 steps. This makes
the combo useless for for my kind of fun. So you will probably be a lot
happyer with a high quality 2,8 or perhaps a 3,5.
But what a heck. Think about the money you allready have saved ;-)
Tim Typo
Mostly Harmless
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Pellechia"
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
> On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
>> On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
>
>> Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
>> that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
>> compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
>> indicates that they are still a current product.
>
> If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is selling
> them on eBay. They would probably be able to turn a good profit with
> the prices they go for now.
>
>>
>> > BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with
>> > the TC?
>>
>> Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
>> a bit flaky in anything but great light.
>
> That's what I was afraid of. It seems to work very well with my
> Tamron 90mm/F2.8. I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC makes
> sense.
>
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From godders at mac.com Sat Sep 1 21:48:24 2007
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:48:24 -0700
Subject: Biting My Tongue
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Far from it. I'm a photographer, not a dealer.
Godfrey
On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote:
> It sounds like you are a Pentax dealer. If so, where is your shop?
From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 21:58:42 2007
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:58:42 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
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References:
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Tim,
Thanks for the useful info. I suspect I will use the TC with the AF
lenses I have. I will have to try it with both my Sigma 70-200 F2.8
and APO 300 F4. The Penatx TC has to be better than the Sigma APO
1.4x TC I have.
Overall I have pretty good coverage in the telephoto range considering
I have the slow but useful Sigma 170-500. Still I could not pass up
the deal.
Perry.
On 9/1/07, Tim ?sleby wrote:
> Congratulation Perry.
>
> I mainly use mine with a Tamron adaptall SP 300/2,8 LD. I've had a lot of
> fun with that combo.
>
> It focuses fine with my Tokina 100-300/4 in daylight.
> I've also used it with the K-500/4,5. In bright light and high contrast
> motifs it locks. I'd say thats the limit.
> I'll strongly recomend to stay away from lenses with significant CA
> problems. With the K-500 I need to step down at least 2 steps. This makes
> the combo useless for for my kind of fun. So you will probably be a lot
> happyer with a high quality 2,8 or perhaps a 3,5.
> But what a heck. Think about the money you allready have saved ;-)
>
>
> Tim Typo
> Mostly Harmless
>
From jh.graves at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 22:22:45 2007
From: jh.graves at verizon.net (John Graves)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:22:45 -0400
Subject: Peso: Sea Palm
Message-ID: <46DA1E75.6080602@verizon.net>
With every one putting up B/W pictures I had to give it a try.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/?saved=1
I appreciate any comments.
John G.
From jeepin_angel at hotmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:34:08 2007
From: jeepin_angel at hotmail.com (Sandra Hermann)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:34:08 +0000
Subject: PESO: Water drop.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
I posted a picture I took today with my K10d and pentax 100mm macro. I
converted it to black and white in the computer. Please comment.
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/10087549
thank you.
sandy
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:35:56 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:35:56 -0400
Subject: Peso: Sea Palm
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I like the shadows and shapes in this picture a lot. I'm not sure if
it's my monitor (completely uncalibrated) but I think this picture
would look twice as nice with a little more contrast. But then, I
just like contrast. It's a great picture - where did you take it?
rg2
On 9/1/07, John Graves wrote:
> With every one putting up B/W pictures I had to give it a try.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/?saved=1
>
> I appreciate any comments.
>
> John G.
>
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From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:44:03 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:44:03 -0400
Subject: PESO: Water drop.
In-Reply-To:
References:
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That's neat! I can never get water drops quite right, but it looks
like you did a great job on that.
rg2
On 9/1/07, Sandra Hermann wrote:
> I posted a picture I took today with my K10d and pentax 100mm macro. I
> converted it to black and white in the computer. Please comment.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/10087549
>
> thank you.
> sandy
>
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
>
>
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From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Sat Sep 1 23:04:27 2007
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:04:27 -0700
Subject: PESO: Water drop.
In-Reply-To:
References:
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Hello Sandra,
The drop looks good, but it seems like there is just too much around
it. If you handn't mentioned it, I would not have thought of it as a
subject. Seems like getting a lot closer or a large crop might be in
order.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:34:08 PM, you wrote:
SH> I posted a picture I took today with my K10d and pentax 100mm macro. I
SH> converted it to black and white in the computer. Please comment.
SH> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/10087549
SH> thank you.
SH> sandy
SH> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
From jh.graves at verizon.net Sat Sep 1 23:06:11 2007
From: jh.graves at verizon.net (John Graves)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: Peso: Sea Palm
In-Reply-To: <6bc22a10709011935p1d5c635ey168d03ac7a0b6cc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46DA1E75.6080602@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <46DA28A3.7040503@verizon.net>
Rebekah,
Thank you for the kind comments. :-[ . I had the same thoughts you
had. But the tones started to block up too much, I thought. So I
brought it up a bit.
The picture was taken on Jeckyll Island, GA this Spring. We spent an
afternoon walking along the beach and I took a bunch of pictures. I am
still working on them and hope to get a few more up soon.
John G.
Rebekah wrote:
> I like the shadows and shapes in this picture a lot. I'm not sure if
> it's my monitor (completely uncalibrated) but I think this picture
> would look twice as nice with a little more contrast. But then, I
> just like contrast. It's a great picture - where did you take it?
>
> rg2
>
>
>
> On 9/1/07, John Graves wrote:
>
>> With every one putting up B/W pictures I had to give it a try.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/?saved=1
>>
>> I appreciate any comments.
>>
>> John G.
>>
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From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Sat Sep 1 23:07:14 2007
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:07:14 -0700
Subject: Peso: Sea Palm
In-Reply-To: <46DA1E75.6080602@verizon.net>
References: <46DA1E75.6080602@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <144170261953.20070901200714@daytonphoto.com>
Hello John,
For me, this one doesn't quite make it - Most noticeable is the
background behind the palm - there is just so much there that it
competes with the subject. The second and less bothersome thing is
the dark shadowed portion and very light portion of the palm. You
have managed to keep detail in both, but it bothers me a bit. Perhaps
with less busy background I might like that part - hard to say.
--
Bruce
Saturday, September 1, 2007, 7:22:45 PM, you wrote:
JG> With every one putting up B/W pictures I had to give it a try.
JG> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jhg2/?saved=1
JG> I appreciate any comments.
JG> John G.
From rg2pdml at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 23:29:11 2007
From: rg2pdml at gmail.com (Rebekah)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:29:11 -0400
Subject: Southeast US ?
Message-ID: <6bc22a10709012029o164f1032k7f2bf48488564a3@mail.gmail.com>
Hey,
Is anyone in the southeast US interested in getting together to check
out the Audubon Swamp Garden, and possibly the Magnolia Plantation?
It looks like an interesting place to snap a few shots, I'm thinking
early October. Any takers?
http://www.magnoliaplantation.com/tours_audubon.html
rg2
From webster26 at mindspring.com Sat Sep 1 23:44:04 2007
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:44:04 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <46DA3184.5000407@mindspring.com>
This was taken with the A*300mm f4.0 and F 1.7x converter. It wasn't the
brightest day, (conditions were somewhere between "cloudy bright" and
overcast, I've found that the 1.7x auto focuses nicely with lenses with
maximum apertures down to f4.0 under most conditions.
(it's really hard to get good exposures of these birds in bright sunlight).
Perry Pellechia wrote:
> On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
>
>> On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
>>
>
>
>> Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
>> that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
>> compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
>> indicates that they are still a current product.
>>
>
> If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is selling
> them on eBay. They would probably be able to turn a good profit with
> the prices they go for now.
>
>
>>> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
>>>
>> Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
>> a bit flaky in anything but great light.
>>
>
> That's what I was afraid of. It seems to work very well with my
> Tamron 90mm/F2.8. I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC makes
> sense.
>
>
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Remember, it?s pillage then burn.
From ozsavage at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 00:07:58 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:07:58 +0800
Subject: OT: Latest Enablement
In-Reply-To: <91bb9db30709011815w18992151qccc73242535e5da6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18a9e9330709010351v3eba5f49ka817faaa10cd9a41@mail.gmail.com>
<91bb9db30709011815w18992151qccc73242535e5da6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709012107ofab0a5dy429b77fda29927ac@mail.gmail.com>
It's lovely. Right up there with the best MF lenses I've ever used.
Cheers,
Dave
On 9/2/07, Mishka wrote:
> how do you like its focussing feel?
>
> best,
> mishka
>
> On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> > G'day All,
> >
> > I picked up a package from the post office today that contained
> > (largish page ~ 880kb):
> >
> >
> >
> > I have to say I'm very impressed.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave
> >
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From ozsavage at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 00:09:08 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:09:08 +0800
Subject: Its picture time.
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7ecf6$20fb7990$7401a8c0@portable>
References: <004d01c7ecf6$20fb7990$7401a8c0@portable>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709012109t15f8d0e5j97a57f73fabfa6cd@mail.gmail.com>
Ooooookaaaay then.
Cheers,
Dave
On 9/2/07, William Robb wrote:
> bye for now.
>
> William Robb
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 00:17:37 2007
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:17:37 -0500
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To: <46DA3184.5000407@mindspring.com>
References:
<46DA3184.5000407@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4aa39d670709012117x20a21160m67e9a79301d9bc35@mail.gmail.com>
Perry,
I've used it to good advantage with the 200/4 lens on shore birds.
In bright light, any f4 lens seens to do well with it.
If I can find the pictures, I'll post some samples.
Regards, Bob S.
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> This was taken with the A*300mm f4.0 and F 1.7x converter. It wasn't the
> brightest day, (conditions were somewhere between "cloudy bright" and
> overcast, I've found that the 1.7x auto focuses nicely with lenses with
> maximum apertures down to f4.0 under most conditions.
> (it's really hard to get good exposures of these birds in bright sunlight).
>
>
>
> Perry Pellechia wrote:
> > On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current prices
> >> that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd as
> >> compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from Japan
> >> indicates that they are still a current product.
> >>
> >
> > If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is selling
> > them on eBay. They would probably be able to turn a good profit with
> > the prices they go for now.
> >
> >
> >>> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up with the TC?
> >>>
> >> Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may become
> >> a bit flaky in anything but great light.
> >>
> >
> > That's what I was afraid of. It seems to work very well with my
> > Tamron 90mm/F2.8. I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC makes
> > sense.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Remember, it's pillage then burn.
>
>
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From ozsavage at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 00:18:28 2007
From: ozsavage at gmail.com (David Savage)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:18:28 +0800
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To: <46DA3184.5000407@mindspring.com>
References:
<46DA3184.5000407@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <18a9e9330709012118u16a71875i1e4f379f455ada82@mail.gmail.com>
Where's the link dude?
Cheers,
Dave
On 9/2/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> This was taken with the A*300mm f4.0 and F 1.7x converter. It wasn't the
> brightest day, (conditions were somewhere between "cloudy bright" and
> overcast, I've found that the 1.7x auto focuses nicely with lenses with
> maximum apertures down to f4.0 under most conditions.
> (it's really hard to get good exposures of these birds in bright sunlight).
From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Sep 2 00:34:08 2007
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:34:08 -0400
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
In-Reply-To: <4aa39d670709012117x20a21160m67e9a79301d9bc35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7ed1a$81a67190$110110ac@jcomachine>
I would like to add that any autofocus system is going to be more
effective
at not only brighter light levels or faster fstops but also with higher
quality optics. Hence, some slower lenses may work just as well as
faster
ones at same light level if they are of extra high quality ( i.e. primes
vs zooms
or mediocre third party vs oem or Pentax lenses ).
jco
-----Original Message-----
From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Bob Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:18 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
Perry,
I've used it to good advantage with the 200/4 lens on shore birds. In
bright light, any f4 lens seens to do well with it. If I can find the
pictures, I'll post some samples. Regards, Bob S.
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> This was taken with the A*300mm f4.0 and F 1.7x converter. It wasn't
> the brightest day, (conditions were somewhere between "cloudy bright"
> and overcast, I've found that the 1.7x auto focuses nicely with lenses
> with maximum apertures down to f4.0 under most conditions. (it's
> really hard to get good exposures of these birds in bright sunlight).
>
>
>
> Perry Pellechia wrote:
> > On 9/1/07, Digital Image Studio wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/09/07, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Nice find, I bought one of mine at a similar price, the current
> >> prices that they often acheive at auction these days seems absurd
> >> as compared. Interestingly the current Pentax lens catalogue from
> >> Japan indicates that they are still a current product.
> >>
> >
> > If they are available I am surprised that no one from Japan is
> > selling them on eBay. They would probably be able to turn a good
> > profit with the prices they go for now.
> >
> >
> >>> BTW, Any recommendations for a inexpensive 200mm lens to mate up
> >>> with the TC?
> >>>
> >> Cheap no, it loves f2.8 lenses, anything slower and the AF may
> >> become a bit flaky in anything but great light.
> >>
> >
> > That's what I was afraid of. It seems to work very well with my
> > Tamron 90mm/F2.8. I do not have many other MF lenses where a TC
> > makes sense.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Remember, it's pillage then burn.
>
>
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From kwaller at peoplepc.com Sun Sep 2 00:40:03 2007
From: kwaller at peoplepc.com (Kenneth Waller)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:40:03 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
References: <6308676.1188677264460.JavaMail.msroberts01@ysu.edu><20070901214947.GA13376@panix.com>
<48240848-B457-4FB6-B5F4-FAE570EC52BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005701c7ed1b$56c37b20$1024e504@D72W0H81>
Thanks for passing this on.
>I'm happy with the opportunity to have some of my work presented on their
>web gallery.
Me too.
Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
----- Original Message -----
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery voting
>I had a conversation with John Carlson a while back regards the
> Pentax Photo Gallery submission voting process because I had/have
> misgivings about it and am very uncomfortable. This is an excerpt
> from his reply:
>
> ---
>> "We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images
>> we have to review. Even without promotion of the site, we are
>> receiving more images than we can review with our current
>> manpower. Once this site is openly promoted and advertised, the
>> number of images submitted will only increase. We have no
>> intention of making this an "exclusive" site with a limited number
>> of photographers, but we also want the best images.
>>
>> Some images are declined automatically once they meet a certain
>> criteria determined by Pentax. Currently, the thresholds are set
>> extremely low. An image must have at least 20 votes, with less
>> than 25% of those favorable, to be automatically declined.
>> Unfortunately, this may lead to some good images being declined,
>> but for the first two weeks we have had this system in place, the
>> voters have been relatively accurate in their opinions. As we
>> receive more images, and more voters, we can adjust the thresholds
>> up or down to make sure we are looking at the best images. I
>> imagine as the site is promoted and more artists are added, we will
>> have to increase the thresholds.
>>
>> Ultimately, Pentax makes the final decision on images accepted to
>> the gallery. It is still a matter of the judging committee looking
>> at a large number of images, and selecting pictures that show the
>> best of what Pentax equipment and photographers can do. There have
>> been images that have received a large number of positive votes
>> that we have declined, just as there has been images with few
>> positive votes that we have accepted."
> ---
>
> I continue to be uncomfortable with voting on other people's
> submissions, and do not. I batch up 10-30 photos at a time, as mood
> and time permits, and upload them for review. The majority are
> declined, a few get in. They've accepted 23 of what must now be
> 140-180 submitted photos.
>
> How they select them, ultimately, is their business ... as with any
> other exhibition judging and curating. My business is to submit work
> that I am happy with and let them do their thing. I'm happy with the
> opportunity to have some of my work presented on their web gallery.
>
> Godfrey
From pfairweather at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 03:07:12 2007
From: pfairweather at gmail.com (Peter Fairweather)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:07:12 +0100
Subject: OT "clarity" in RAW
In-Reply-To:
References: <5f22ffd10709011333m1478a2c6vde86ac99e474f982@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f22ffd10709020007k582cef57uee03db7acfe687fe@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks Godfrey. Playing with ACR 4.1 has encouraged me to shoot a lot
more RAW images. Now I have no excuse for not buying the K10D!!
Peter
On 01/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote:
>
> > I was looking at the sliders in RAW ( after loading an image in ACR
> > 4.1 in CS3 ).
> >
> > There is one called "clarity" in the same group as vibrancy and
> > saturation. What is it? Neither of my books show it. I am using the
> > Windows version, their images appear to be from the MAC version.
> >
> > It appears to act as a sophisticated sharpening tool.
>
> Clarity is new in Lightroom v1.1, the upgrade module in the Luminous
> Landscape tutorial set covers it. It acts as selective area contrast
> adjustment, with results that are similar to using Unsharp Mask with
> a very large pixel count and a very small percentage value.
>
> Best thing to do is to experiment and see how it is useful to you...
>
> Godfrey
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From supera at bluebottle.com Sun Sep 2 03:20:47 2007
From: supera at bluebottle.com (Brian Walters)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:20:47 -0700
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To: <5A33FB45-6B46-4DAB-A09E-AFC12080A457@pngusa.net>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<1188687156.46d9ed342a286@mail.bluebottle.com>
<5A33FB45-6B46-4DAB-A09E-AFC12080A457@pngusa.net>
Message-ID: <1188717647.46da644f6e51d@mail.bluebottle.com>
No, can't help there. The 1000 DTL is the only one I've used.
Cheers
Brian
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
Quoting Glen Tortorella :
> Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or
>
> experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras?
>
> Glen
>
> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>
> > Well, others probably have much more experience here but I
> thought
> > I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera)
>
> > that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of
> it,
> > seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter
>
> > tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two
> > Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
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From cbwaters at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 2 07:32:46 2007
From: cbwaters at bellsouth.net (cbwaters)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:32:46 -0400
Subject: About Bob Shell
References: <46D99E00.4050005@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <013e01c7ed54$fcd63140$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
A week or three ago I noticed that one of the books I have has a positive
quote on the back from a "Bob Shell". I thought "hmmm" and emailed him,
asking if it was indeed the same Bob. He didn't reply. I guess I know why
now. I bet the cops still have his computers.
Do they have the internet in prison?
I wonder if there's ever been a PDML member who posted from jail before....
Good luck Bob. Godspeed.
Cory
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. J. Alling"
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: About Bob Shell
I don't know the whole facts in the case, (only what I've read on the
Internet), and I reserver comment...
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
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From cbwaters at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 2 07:36:10 2007
From: cbwaters at bellsouth.net (cbwaters)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:36:10 -0400
Subject: Attn Graywolf
References: <000001c7ecdd$77d36a20$0201a8c0@D2PK0PB1>
Message-ID: <016101c7ed55$76110b20$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Grumble grumble @%&*$@$%* OMGWTFBBQBS
CW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Owens"
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'"
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Attn Graywolf
> How much celebrating is going on in Boone after the ASU win over Michigan?
>
> Bill
>
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From roman at blakout.net Sun Sep 2 07:37:11 2007
From: roman at blakout.net (Roman)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:37:11 +0300
Subject: Splash-times are over
Message-ID: <46DAA067.6050304@blakout.net>
http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/900x600-_IGP72250028.jpg
It's cold and rainy outside and splash times are over for 2007...
From pentkon52 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:42:30 2007
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:42:30 -0400
Subject: Pentax Gallery voting
In-Reply-To: <18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D9760A.4060909@nc.rr.com>
<18a9e9330709010748l4c6976a7h30b858272b800d00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I have not submitted anything since the first batch.
Phewwww.:-)
Dave
On 9/1/07, David Savage wrote:
> I don't know what the hell is going on.
>
> One of the shots I mentioned the other day that had been declined (the
> sunset shot), I resubmitted, and it has now been accepted.
>
> ???
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 9/1/07, John Sessoms wrote:
> > From:
> > "Kenneth Waller"
> > > I seem to remember somewhere seeing that the judges will have the
> > > final say on accepted images.
> > >
> > > Kenneth Waller
> > Yeah, peer voters can vote it in and the judges can vote it out.
> >
> > But can the judges vote it in if the peer voters vote it out?
>
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From pentkon52 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:43:37 2007
From: pentkon52 at gmail.com (David J Brooks)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:43:37 -0400
Subject: Reversing Ring
In-Reply-To: <46D99C8B.8080101@mindspring.com>
References: <6bc22a10709010941u640a932cy7d26774649b95d37@mail.gmail.com>
<46D99C8B.8080101@mindspring.com>
Message-ID:
So you need a longer body then.;-)
Dave
On 9/1/07, P. J. Alling wrote:
> The focus point is somewhere within the body of the lens on a 135mm.
>
> Rebekah wrote:
> > Ok, so last night I was playing around with my little reversing ring,
> > and I noticed that while it works on my 50mm, I can't seem to find a
> > distance where anything is in focus for my 135mm lens. Is this only
> > designed for 50mm lenses, or wider angle lenses, or am I just missing
> > something? Would someone please fill in the blank?
> >
> > rg2
> >
> >
>
>
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From gtortorella at pngusa.net Sun Sep 2 08:41:57 2007
From: gtortorella at pngusa.net (Glen Tortorella)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:41:57 -0400
Subject: The 645 (and Mamiya)
In-Reply-To: <1188717647.46da644f6e51d@mail.bluebottle.com>
References:
<46D8B966.4020209@mykroft.com>
<46D9738D.70707@mykroft.com>
<1188687156.46d9ed342a286@mail.bluebottle.com>
<5A33FB45-6B46-4DAB-A09E-AFC12080A457@pngusa.net>
<1188717647.46da644f6e51d@mail.bluebottle.com>
Message-ID: <501C2E4E-C5A8-47DE-8995-DE65A543A174@pngusa.net>
Thanks, Brian. Too bad...I would like some more feedback--specific
feedback, that is--on the Mamiya Z Series.
Glen
On Sep 2, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
> No, can't help there. The 1000 DTL is the only one I've used.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney, Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters
>
>
> Quoting Glen Tortorella :
>
>> Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or
>>
>> experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras?
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>
>>> Well, others probably have much more experience here but I
>> thought
>>> I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera)
>>
>>> that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of
>> it,
>>> seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter
>>
>>> tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two
>>> Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>
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From jdavisf8 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 08:34:21 2007
From: jdavisf8 at yahoo.com (Jack Davis)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:34:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PESO: Water drop.
In-Reply-To:
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You've done a good job of composing, but I wonder if the droplet is a
strong enough element to carry the theme. Throwing all else out of
focus does add to its weight and helps a bit.
I like the idea, however, and think it's worth pursuing.
Jack
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> I posted a picture I took today with my K10d and pentax 100mm macro.
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> thank you.
> sandy
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> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154
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From ti-oes at online.no Sun Sep 2 09:04:23 2007
From: ti-oes at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tim_=D8sleby?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:04:23 +0200
Subject: eBay Madness, Sometime you get lucky!
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I've been told that it is mainly about amount og light and contrast. And my
experience seem to support this. Contrast is important.
Tim Typo
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