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JerseysFinest27Joined: 07 Jan 2010Posts: 8861Location: New Jersey... Props to Joe_Is_The_Best on the sig

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:27 am Post subject:

elliot878 wrote:

JerseysFinest27 wrote:

AntiSuperstar wrote:

Well I disagree with what appears to be your conclusion Jersey. The problem isn't that Kyle Rudolph hasn't lived up to his potential so much as, just like with your Alex Smith example, Kyle Rudolph simply was overrated as a player coming out. You watch Rudolph play and there is honestly nothing impressive about him. Physically he's just a guy who's 6'6, and height tends to be overrated in the NFL. His run after the catch ability is non-existent, he's not very powerful, doesn't play with much agility, he's just another meh Tight End like Dustin Keller and many others.

I also don't buy at all that Rudolph is being held back in Minnesota. If anything, as has often occurred, teams with weak Quarterbacks and/or weak wide receivers like with Minnesota tend to have Tight Ends with inflated stats. Most Tight End routes are much easier throws for Quarterbacks too so it makes sense for a lesser QB to target them(like how often Sanchez throws to mediocrity Dustin Keller). The reality I think is that Kyle Rudolph just isn't all that good a player and that "draft experts" were wrong. I think the Tight End and Safety positions in particular are too often misunderstood by draft experts and even by NFL teams.

Anti, you know better than this. You have a smart football mind and are completely neglecting the biggest issue regard Ponder.

You know very well that a QB that can drive the football to the outside receivers open up plenty of holes for the TE. Because Ponder is so poor in throwing the ball outside, the box gets clogged, leaving not much room for Rudolf to move around. Obviously, AP plays a big role in this but it doesnt take away from Ponders lack of skills.

I watched the Vikings play a couple times last year and came up very unimpressed with Ponder but very impressed with the offensive unit as a whole. I believe that if they had a QB that can extend the defense another 5-10 yards, that team would be really good. Rudolf does see a lot of targets but the footballs hes thrown are usually in tough windows and without a lot of room to run.

Tyler Eifert to me is a physical specimen that can catch the football as good as he can be an asset in the run game. The ND offense certainly doesnt help his draft stock. If he played in Stanfords offense (in place of Ertz), I guarantee everyone would be all over him. Hes got the physical abilities that Gronk had coming out but needs to polish them more.

I haven't followed the TE's much, but as I see it isn't Eifert more likely to be long gone at 28, and Ertz having a good shot at being available.

I agree with you JF that Eifert is the better pass catcher and playmaker at the position. Its just been in my mind that he'll be gone probabaly in the early 20s at the latest.

I agree with you 100%, elliot. I dont see a way that he falls to #28.

IMO, I see teams like the Chargers (#11), Panthers (#14), Steelers (#17), Cowboys (#18 ), Giants (#19), Bears (#20), Rams (#22), and Texans (#27), all being a good fit for him before our pick.

Reason I am speaking the way that I am is because if Eifert did fall to #28, I would think long and hard about taking him._________________

I'd pray for this to happen although I still don't think we should grab a safety, in the 2nd at least._________________[quote="Reggie Nelson#1"] Radio-"Peyton give the ball to Ball. Ball drops the ball & Ball scoops it up! He's going downfield, TOUCHDOWN! Ball pats him on the back for when he lost the ball."[/quote]