Yeah, DS9 is by far the best imo. Best characters, best plot, best everything.

As was pointed out, definitely true after the second season, when the cast got some experience under their belt and got more comfortable with their characters and the writers started to really become familiar with the characters. Some of the first two seasons is painfully awful. And well, there are some crappy episodes later on as well. Profit and Lace comes to mind when Quark impersonates a female ferengi. The sexism for humor aspect of it is very awkward. [/nerd]

As for best characters, yes, this side of Picard and Spock though perhaps the two cardassians (Garak and Dukat) are equal.

I wouldn't say any of it is painfully awful, but obviously some of it is going to be less good. Some of the early seasons of TNG and Voyager are pretty bad too, it's just par for the course for that kind of show.

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MorbidBlood wrote:

So the winner is Destruction and Infernal Overkill is the motherfucking skullcrushing poserkilling satan-worshiping 666 FUCK YOU greatest german thrash record.

I wouldn't say any of it is painfully awful, but obviously some of it is going to be less good. Some of the early seasons of TNG and Voyager are pretty bad too, it's just par for the course for that kind of show.

Yeah, I'm not saying that they aren't. TNG's first two seasons were definitely full of bad episodes and well, Voyager is pretty damn awful even in the later parts of the show. Perhaps that's overstating it, but there's a whole lot of snoozers in there.

Voyager was a massive step down, it's true. I've read some interviews about what went on behind the scenes and it's not very surprising that it turned out like it did. The writers just didn't really know what they were doing, and squandered the unique opportunities offered by the setup in favor of returning to the TNG formula.

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MorbidBlood wrote:

So the winner is Destruction and Infernal Overkill is the motherfucking skullcrushing poserkilling satan-worshiping 666 FUCK YOU greatest german thrash record.

Sure, she was remarkable in that she was 100% in charge, didn't take crap from anyone, and at the same time was middle-aged and not remarkably attractive (i.e. not a bimbo). However, the writers squandered most of her potential, because they never really explored the ramifications of Voyager essentially becoming a society unto itself - normally Starfleet crews are operating within the much larger society of Starfleet, and get regular leave/correspondence/general contact with other crews to reinforce that fact. In the Delta quadrant, they're 100% cut off from everyone else - which means Janeway isn't just the captain, she's going to be the unelected queen for 40 years, running not just their professional lives but also their personal lives. She'd probably want to try to maintain the status quo as much as possible, but especially given the Maquis they integrated into the crew, I'm sure there would be people calling for a more democratic way of running the ship (and their lives). Janeway seems to be from the Picard school of "Prime Directive comes first" thought, so there could have been some interesting conflicts there - threat of mutiny, tempers flaring between people who don't like each other being stuck together in close contact for too long, the necessities of keeping the ship running while being 40 years from the nearest Starfleet repair/resupply depot - they just didn't really handle any of that. Instead the ship ran fine most of the time, the crew were calm and got along OK, hell, their uniforms even looked crisply ironed at all times.

It was just a big waste, and the writers shied away from really taking advantage of the situation. It would have been pretty sweet to see the community in Voyager just totally break down, with factions fighting for control of the major sections of the ship. Like, if you don't want to drop out of warp and never get home, you have to make sure to keep sending food to the guys in charge of the warp core. If you don't want to get your ass blown to pieces the next time there's a fight, you have to keep the tribe in charge of maintaining the photon torpedo bays happy. That might be a little darker than Star Trek normally likes to get, but Voyager played it safe and nobody liked it as much as DS9 and TNG as a result.

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MorbidBlood wrote:

So the winner is Destruction and Infernal Overkill is the motherfucking skullcrushing poserkilling satan-worshiping 666 FUCK YOU greatest german thrash record.

Infact I use to have a relly hot friend from there but unfurtunetly the last party we have I was really wasted and grab her ass and it cause a huge problem. Her dad (that is a marine) wants to ripp my nuts... thinks are not the same...

I'm seeing a burned-in triceratops head in the first pic, but flipped like it is in the second. I probably worded that badly, but I'm basically seeing a solid head and a flipped version of it (looks like an orange-er outline).

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gomorro wrote:

Yesterday was the birthday of school pal and I met the chick of my sigh (I've talked about here before, the she-wolf I use to be inlove with)... Maaan she was using a mini-skirt too damn insane... Dude you could saw her entire soul every time she sit...

A former classmate of mine died yesterday. Car accident. Still shocked by the news. Me and a friend of mine will go over to his family's house to give our condolences.

That's so harsh man...

OzzyApu wrote:

I'm seeing a burned-in triceratops head in the first pic, but flipped like it is in the second. I probably worded that badly, but I'm basically seeing a solid head and a flipped version of it (looks like an orange-er outline).

Yea, basically the editing revealed a representation of devil's skull. I think AiC is playing a trick again with fans.

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gomorro wrote:

Infact I use to have a relly hot friend from there but unfurtunetly the last party we have I was really wasted and grab her ass and it cause a huge problem. Her dad (that is a marine) wants to ripp my nuts... thinks are not the same...

Infact I use to have a relly hot friend from there but unfurtunetly the last party we have I was really wasted and grab her ass and it cause a huge problem. Her dad (that is a marine) wants to ripp my nuts... thinks are not the same...

Discussions like that are sad on another level. When you have such an extreme or rare opinion like that, then pretty much everything you say gets automatically discredited. So, sometimes, worthwhile thoughts get ignored because of everything else going on.

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Wilytank wrote:

I once knew a guy that stole another guy's virginity and sold it on the black market for some FUCKIN' WEED.

Yesterday was the birthday of school pal and I met the chick of my sigh (I've talked about here before, the she-wolf I use to be inlove with)... Maaan she was using a mini-skirt too damn insane... Dude you could saw her entire soul every time she sit...

So Burning Sea festival in Croatia this June has been canceled/cancelled (why can I never work out how this damn word is spelled?). Christ man what a kick in the face hearing that this morning. There goes King Diamond for me, unless I go to the Tuska fest, but too many poo bands at that one. I still ordered two effen' King Diamond shirts this week for the blimmin' thing. Also 'lost' a court case this week, which was a total farce beginning to end. Now I have a two thousand dollar fine to pay, too. Anyhurdles, if anyone wants to recommend any fest in Europe this summer, please go ahead. Not keen on massive ones like Hellfest or the ultra-shit Bloodstock. Guess I better check out the gig forum in earnest, too.

'Layne & The Chains'. I like it.

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