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It wasn't as emotional as I thought it would be, prolly cuz I knew how it was gonna end, but if they had played a song like Sadness and Sorrow, I might have found it more touching.

One thing that upsets me though is how pointless Jiraya's death is... Granted, you can argue that his death allowed Pain's secret to be uncovered, but is it really so? He had already seen the six paths of Pain, so why would he need to come out of his barrier at the price of his life, only to look at them one more time?

It wasn't as emotional as I thought it would be, prolly cuz I knew how it was gonna end, but if they had played a song like Sadness and Sorrow, I might have found it more touching.

One thing that upsets me though is how pointless Jiraya's death is... Granted, you can argue that his death allowed Pain's secret to be uncovered, but is it really so? He had already seen the six paths of Pain, so why would he need to come out of his barrier at the price of his life, only to look at them one more time?

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From our point of view, yes, it seems pointless. Only Jiraiya had the opportunity to know the secret about Pain - due to his prior knowledge of the ninjas he had met during his travels. That is why he had to go back, to confirm their identity. Had he not confirmed, and left the scene, he would have been alive. But Pain would most likely just have made 6 other bodies, and made a grand reentry.
Don't forget the fact, that Pain's abilities were far more capable than Jiraiya ever imagined - Do you honestly think that ANYONE would have a chance against him, had they not known about his abilities? - He crushed Konoha to the ground - Tsunade, Kakashi got disabled. Even Naruto got pinned down. That would have stayed a fact, had they not known about his abilities.

From our point of view, yes, it seems pointless. Only Jiraiya had the opportunity to know the secret about Pain - due to his prior knowledge of the ninjas he had met during his travels. That is why he had to go back, to confirm their identity. Had he not confirmed, and left the scene, he would have been alive. But Pain would most likely just have made 6 other bodies, and made a grand reentry.
Don't forget the fact, that Pain's abilities were far more capable than Jiraiya ever imagined - Do you honestly think that ANYONE would have a chance against him, had they not known about his abilities? - He crushed Konoha to the ground - Tsunade, Kakashi got disabled. Even Naruto got pinned down. That would have stayed a fact, had they not known about his abilities.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Jiraya had already figured out that each body was expert at only one ability. He went back to confirm what? That none of them was Nagato? That he had already fought them?

My point is, he had seen them clearly before he went behind his barrier, so why couldn't he retreat and just think this through, what did he gain by looking at them one more time?

It gives him a great death and all, maybe he wanted to die that way to make up for his life full of "failures" (Jiraya's words, not mine...)

its hard to hold back tears at work...great episode. naruto is still my favorite...just no fillers please

lol i cried. that was by far the best episode of naruto yet.

I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what.