Really tough subject. I like Osi's comments and I like what Toomer said....on the other hand, Kurt Warner has the right to say whatever he wants.

I tend to think of football players as modern day gladiators. They will live short glorious lives. At least these guys have the choice. The wise ones will play for a short while and leave with a pile of money, hopefully before they get injured. Unfortunately, the majority do not seem to be following this recipe.

I'd like the sport I love to not get ripped apart by the concussion thing/impact on future life thing.....but these players have earned the right to have that discussion and see if it can make the game safer for future players.

I will admit I thought the Giants should take Pouncey the center (ended up with the Steelers a few picks later). At the time my argument was that while JPP had tons of potential, I figured he'd take a bunch of time to develop. Team needed depth on the OL at that time.

......my point was just that roster slots and depth have to eventually come into play.....having 15 great DL doesn't actually help you since you'd have to cut like six of them.....and meanwhile you're searching the gutters for OL.

I like your last question.....you'd think it was some combo of experience or perceived potential within a similar defensive system, physical talent and makeup......of course the Giants are always high on intellect as well. No Vince Young's over here.

I REALLY hope Austin can develop......Reese is handcuffed on DT.....you don't want to use a high pick on a spot where the depth is okay (not great), but if Austin flames out rapidly after 2+ years off and an injury would anyone be overly shocked? Tough spot.

Low: so you'd summarize the line with a "hey, they can only improve." I can actually subscribe to that.....though I'd love to see a real upgrade on the inside.....though when Boothe played C and Petrus at LG, the play was better. Snee needs to bounce back, he was not himself last year.

Good dialogue by all here.....nice article to get the party started James.

You are aware that Reese TRADED UP to get Barden, so he cost us 2 picks.....a WR in his fourth year with less than ten catches taken in the 3rd round isn't a bad pick? A TE in his fourth year with what, 1 catches and zero blocking ability isn't a bad third round pick? Come on man.

You're the kind of guy that attracts the Carbos and TRRs of the world because you're not willing to be honest about the team. Look, I desperately want these guys to be great players....I want every 6th round DB that Reese drafts to be a pro-bowler. I'm not rooting against Reese's picks......but if they stink, I'm going to say so.

You have to remember that it's not just the pick itself. It's the roster spot too. Reese kept Beckum and Barden and Sintim (and others) over guys who might have made a difference on our roster. When you take a player in the 1st-3rd rounds, they seem harder to cut. We could have developed a good TE by now if we didn't leave a spot for Beckum for years. Heck, you could probably put up the same numbers as Beckum did! Imagine if instead of him we had a Scott Chandler (who was on our roster, but didn't make the team due to other TEs "ahead of him") maybe we wouldn't need a TE right now.

READ what I said! I said I like Reese and I trust him, but this "oh my gosh, he's the greatest ever" is just silly. I didn't say he was bad. I pointed out that he's had as many bad picks as good picks. I'm not blindly drinking the cool aid because the team has done well.
I think he needs to draft better. The team had to get by UDFAs, late round picks who were overmatched and even a veteran brought back LATE in the season. I'd like to see him do better drafting.
He has REACHED quite a bit on injured guys, guys who don't play in similar systems, etc. Example: Sintim was a 3-4 end and they tried to make him into an OLB. Don't tell me about his injuries, the guy wasn't developing. I was ROOTING for him to be a stud, but I'm not blind.....he was a below average player and never became a starter. I'd be fine if that was a 5 or a 6, but using a 2 on a gamble like that? Yikes.
Even lots of the guys we love, like Boss, I mean, he's been a mediocre TE in the NFL. He was the best we had and we loved him, but he wasn't so special that I need to worship Reese over him.

Maybe what it is.....Reese is a high-risk drafter.....he's hit some real nice HRs -- Heck, I think Jacquan Williams is a really nice player and he was a 6! That's great. Give me a bit more consistency.....that's all.

I know it's not an exact science -- I know other GMs whiff as much.....I don't want to settle ....

Come on cbmax.....really? We can't think for ourselves? I like Reese and he's been right more than wrong, but he's had some pretty drastic "wiffs" -- Barden, Beckum, Sintim come to mind in the first three seconds.....those are two 3s and a 2.

He's obviously got a good eye and a plan -- but our drafts have really only been so-so. He's been very good on 1s, but I'd like to see some impact players coming in draft rounds 2-4.