Good selections and the Stalker is the one that needs proper neighbors in the slower and faster slots so it is either great or severely overlapped.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

*Update* C-PD's have officially beat out the Preds as my go-to overstable driver. They're every bit as stable as Preds but easier to throw and a lot less nose angle sensitive. Stalkers also survived against the Cyclone. Cyclone can power down better and is more versatile but couldn't beat the Stalker as a pure straight flyer. Lastly I maybe looking for a new distance disc. Something in between a destroyer and a wraith if you will...Does such a disc exist?

himynameismatt wrote:Lastly I maybe looking for a new distance disc. Something in between a destroyer and a wraith if you will...Does such a disc exist?

For distance I used to throw Wraiths, then Destroyers, now I'm throwing a 171g P-Line DD2 and loving it. You might want to try that out. Although the Wraiths and Destroyers I threw were fairly similar stability wise, the Destroyer just went farther.

himynameismatt wrote:Lastly I maybe looking for a new distance disc. Something in between a destroyer and a wraith if you will...Does such a disc exist?

For distance I used to throw Wraiths, then Destroyers, now I'm throwing a 171g P-Line DD2 and loving it. You might want to try that out. Although the Wraiths and Destroyers I threw were fairly similar stability wise, the Destroyer just went farther.

I love Pro Destroyers but brand new they start a little stable for my tastes and power level. Luckily they break in very quickly, but Pro plastic just doesn't hold up in the Pacific Northwest woods. Star Destroyers are more durable but even more stable for me so they are currently reserved for Hyzers and Headwinds.

Been intrigued with the DD for awhile now just ordered one from Marshall St. we'll see how it works when it gets here!

DD and DD2 are different discs. DD in P glides less than Wraiths and is otherwise close to the Wraith. P DD2 once broken in is about the longest disc there is and only Nukes and from hearsay to some the lower power requirement Westside Discs King are the only ones that challenge it for distance. Ultralight Bosses are shorter than heavy DD2s. Something between a Wraith and a Destroyer? Is there anything when new not sure? I imagine that some DGA Hurricanes may be but mine flips and i don't get any flip from Wraiths and Destroyers. Hurricane hyzer flipped to flat is at least Destroyer long and has a lower power requirement and fades Wraith like and is less nose angle sensitive than Destro, maybe even less than Wraith.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

himynameismatt wrote:Lastly I maybe looking for a new distance disc. Something in between a destroyer and a wraith if you will...Does such a disc exist?

Not really between Destroyer and Wraith, but the only disc I've tossed over 400' mark is Lat64 Flow. The problem with Flow is (as many claim), that you never know what you get when you buy one. I've got three: One Opto Flow 175g and two GL FLows 173/174g.

The Opto Flow won't turn at all at my power level, short as hell, but might be good in headwinds - I hate this one.

The 174g GL Flow is pretty stable, thrown flat it will make a small turn and fades only in the very late of the flight. Not good, not bad. But I rate Wraith and Destroyer better.

And then...the 173g GL Flow (slightly beaten) is a totally different disc. It needs a hyzer, but if I hit the right angle it goes faaaar (for me!). No point to throw this in headwind, but otherwise a great disc. If I'd choose a max distance driver, this would be my choice (I promised me in Spring that I keep my game simple this year, no +10 speed drivers...next year maybe).

Also, a friend of mine who's throwing Valks and similar discs up to 375' bought a Westside King. Called me two days ago, just to tell me he was able to throw a bit over 400'. Don't know, never seen a King, but why not?

himynameismatt wrote:What do you think of the Premium plastic dd2's? been reading the discmania thread like mad and they certainly have me intrigued.

Way higher power requirement than P and they wear slowly so they are short meathooks first. At least in the case of the ES DD2. I've broken in one ES and it is long like a P that is a little broken in. A Broken in P is silly long for a little over 400' thrower.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

1 x 177 Z Buzzz - My "Go-To" disc for most lines 260'-330' 1 x 175 ESP Buzzz - For powered down or slightly understable Buzzz lines.1 x 177 Fuse - New addition to the bag. For when I need an anny or a line with a turn in it.

Winter Time bag...Cycled seasoned molds for new versions. This will keep my seasoned molds in their sweet spots for when they go back in the bag this spring and create some seasoned backups for my bag. Grip and Predictability are key to this bag it's going to be a wet Oregon winter...

Nothing new added here, took the Proline Wizard out of the bag, it's my most understable wizard and doesn't grip or fly well in poor weather.

1 x 175 ESP Buzzz - An easier to throw, easier to grip Buzzz, less than the Max Wt. Z's I usually throw but great in the rain. 300'-330'. In the bag for some seasoning this winter.1 x 177 GL Fuse - Understable Buzzz-type lines. Have a feeling it's going to be replaced by my ESP Buzzz or Buzzz SS after they get seasoned.

Comet is gone, it can't handle the wind and the Z Buzzz is just too hard to grip and throw in the rain, So def I'm carrying a lighter mid lineup than usual.

1 x 174 FR Z Stalker - Need something easy to throw and predictable in the 340'-350' range FR Stalkers work. Doesn't get a lot of throws though tbh. 1 x 173 ESP Predator - Utility disc, windfighter and most overstable lines out to 350' or so.1 x 175 S-PD - Brand New and Overstable for straight predictable shots in the 360'-400' range1 x 175 C-TD - Still pretty new. Go-To driver for the time being because of how easy it is to throw straight and far. Versatility is underrated as well. Hyzer flips, S-Curves, Turnovers, Anny's, Rollers. 350-400'

That's my control driver lineup threw a Stalker back in the bag because I'm not trying to push my Buzzz's as far in the winter but it still doesnt get a lot of work. Still love the Predator and the discmania line.

1 x 175 P-PD - Brand new. My Max D disc this winter I can throw P-PD's as far as any other disc one to two speeds faster. Great in the wind. Excellent grip in the rain. Only thrown for wide-open Max D shots so it should keep this sweet spot for awhile. 400'+ (and climbing hopefully!)1 x 175 P-PD2 - Overstable distance. Doesn't see a lot of use but I'd like to beat this thing into Destroyer stability at some point and see if it bombs.

The P-PD is the only distance disc in my bag at the moment, the PD2 doesn't see a lot of work except for a couple "L" shaped fairways that can be tough to hit. Hopefully it beats into a faster version of my P-PD by this spring.

Drivers - 360'-420'2 x P-PD's both 175 - Beating these up for understable compliments to my S-PD's,but because they are newish they fill the S-PD's role currently aka 360'-420' Lazer Beams.1 x S-TD 173 - Was having trouble distinguishing where this fits in my bag because it overlaps with P-PD's and Beat S-PD's, However I've been throwing it on more open holes that need a straight shot, and a little but of turn won't hurt me. Reserve the broken in PD's for the tight straight shots. Also been bombing the S-TD on HUGE S-Curves,throw it high and hard and let it go to work.1 x 169 S-DS - Wide Open, Max D 420'+