Council is killing the town, say self-styled Darlington Liberation Army

COUNCIL chiefs are staying tight-lipped over the launch of a self-styled ‘liberation army’, set up in a bid to encourage transparency and expose alleged town hall wrong-doing.

The Darlington Liberation Army (DLA) was launched in the wake of recent conflict between town centre traders and Darlington Borough Council over car parking policies.

The group aims to act as a channel for frustrated residents and traders to voice their opinions on the council and its policies.

DLA's headquarters, in Bondgate, is currently covered with posters criticising the council on a variety of issues, from parking restrictions to the wages paid to its executives and a perceived drop in town centre footfall.

One poster, featuring an image of a soldier clutching a gun, says: “This is your wake up call, we are allowing Darlington Borough Council to kill our town.”

A Facebook page set up by the group has attracted the interest of hundreds of people and inspired lively debate.

DLA counts among its supporters a number of disgruntled town centre traders who feel their voices are not being heard, according to florist Rob Metcalfe.

Mr Metcalfe recently accused the council of making him homeless by imposing restrictive parking policies around his business premises and he has criticised council leader Bill Dixon for 'hand- picking' traders to invite to a meeting to discuss the issue.

On behalf of the DLA, he issued a statement which said: “The DLA is a community of people from all walks of life and from all areas of Darlington.

“The one thing we all have in common is that we do not believe Darlington Borough Council is acting in the best interests of the majority of Darlington’s population.

“We are not getting value for money and we expect much more when we pay council officials some of the highest salaries in this country.

“We expect full transparency around the way in which vast amounts of our money is spent.”

He added: “There are many town centre business owners actively supporting the DLA, many are very well known and highly respected individuals who are on council committees and attend many council meetings and consultations.

“The one thing they have in common is that they all know their opinions matter little, if at all, to Darlington Borough Council.”

Comments

Thor67
7:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

I have read the above comments with a mixture of empathy and amusement. I have lived and worked in the town for over 40 years and I have noticed one constant in the town :- People here always moan and complain about the people in power, but come election time, what happens? Nothing! People either vote for the same party their parents have always voted for or who they have always voted for, or don't even vote at all, and then the cycle continues for another 5 years. Darlington has a low turnout at the polls. Most of the town seems to live in apathy, thinking "Nothing ever changes so why bother!". If this is the attitude then it's not surprising that nothing ever changes. The people of Darlington need to start using their vote if they want to give other people and/or parties the chance to change things. I am expecting this post to receive a lot of negativity because people in this town don't like, and never have liked, to hear the truth. Just fyi: I have ALWAYS voted in local and general elections and my vote has been known to change over the years. Stop being sheep and exercise to voluntary choices.

I have read the above comments with a mixture of empathy and amusement. I have lived and worked in the town for over 40 years and I have noticed one constant in the town :- People here always moan and complain about the people in power, but come election time, what happens? Nothing! People either vote for the same party their parents have always voted for or who they have always voted for, or don't even vote at all, and then the cycle continues for another 5 years. Darlington has a low turnout at the polls. Most of the town seems to live in apathy, thinking "Nothing ever changes so why bother!". If this is the attitude then it's not surprising that nothing ever changes. The people of Darlington need to start using their vote if they want to give other people and/or parties the chance to change things. I am expecting this post to receive a lot of negativity because people in this town don't like, and never have liked, to hear the truth. Just fyi: I have ALWAYS voted in local and general elections and my vote has been known to change over the years. Stop being sheep and exercise to voluntary choices.Thor67

I have read the above comments with a mixture of empathy and amusement. I have lived and worked in the town for over 40 years and I have noticed one constant in the town :- People here always moan and complain about the people in power, but come election time, what happens? Nothing! People either vote for the same party their parents have always voted for or who they have always voted for, or don't even vote at all, and then the cycle continues for another 5 years. Darlington has a low turnout at the polls. Most of the town seems to live in apathy, thinking "Nothing ever changes so why bother!". If this is the attitude then it's not surprising that nothing ever changes. The people of Darlington need to start using their vote if they want to give other people and/or parties the chance to change things. I am expecting this post to receive a lot of negativity because people in this town don't like, and never have liked, to hear the truth. Just fyi: I have ALWAYS voted in local and general elections and my vote has been known to change over the years. Stop being sheep and exercise to voluntary choices.

Score: 31

laughingboy51
4:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?

How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?laughingboy51

How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?

Score: 27

SirLance
7:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

It would be a great accomplishment if the DLA opened their toilets for all and sundry to use free of charge! Everyone who then uses the convenience signs a petition! Put a sticker on the closed toilets in the market place advising your service and location! Way to go DLA !!

It would be a great accomplishment if the DLA opened their toilets for all and sundry to use free of charge! Everyone who then uses the convenience signs a petition! Put a sticker on the closed toilets in the market place advising your service and location! Way to go DLA !!SirLance

It would be a great accomplishment if the DLA opened their toilets for all and sundry to use free of charge! Everyone who then uses the convenience signs a petition! Put a sticker on the closed toilets in the market place advising your service and location! Way to go DLA !!

Score: 15

oliviaden6
5:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Fantastic news lets hope some good can come of it. It is about time this bunch of charlatons were kicked into touch! They are supposed to serve the community NOT THEMSELVES, and while we are at it just what does Bill Dixon really earn in wages and no doubt a vast expense account with a council credit card to boot. whilst we are at it lets call the Local authority Ombudsman in to investigate the goings on in this town.

Fantastic news lets hope some good can come of it. It is about time this bunch of charlatons were kicked into touch! They are supposed to serve the community NOT THEMSELVES, and while we are at it just what does Bill Dixon really earn in wages and no doubt a vast expense account with a council credit card to boot. whilst we are at it lets call the Local authority Ombudsman in to investigate the goings on in this town.oliviaden6

Fantastic news lets hope some good can come of it. It is about time this bunch of charlatons were kicked into touch! They are supposed to serve the community NOT THEMSELVES, and while we are at it just what does Bill Dixon really earn in wages and no doubt a vast expense account with a council credit card to boot. whilst we are at it lets call the Local authority Ombudsman in to investigate the goings on in this town.

Score: 43

Spy Boy
5:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

laughingboy51 wrote…

How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?

I'd have to say, based on performance, way too much. Most of this info is available on the council website, though it's not so easy to locate these days. Bill is not the only overpaid and under performing member of the slope shouldered elite that is our council committee. They bore us to death about Ada Burns being able to get more in the private sector. If this were true, she would have gone years ago. They probably get perks too. Free parking etc.

[quote][p][bold]laughingboy51[/bold] wrote:
How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?[/p][/quote]I'd have to say, based on performance, way too much. Most of this info is available on the council website, though it's not so easy to locate these days. Bill is not the only overpaid and under performing member of the slope shouldered elite that is our council committee. They bore us to death about Ada Burns being able to get more in the private sector. If this were true, she would have gone years ago. They probably get perks too. Free parking etc.Spy Boy

laughingboy51 wrote…

How much does Bill Dixon get in Pay and allowances?

I'd have to say, based on performance, way too much. Most of this info is available on the council website, though it's not so easy to locate these days. Bill is not the only overpaid and under performing member of the slope shouldered elite that is our council committee. They bore us to death about Ada Burns being able to get more in the private sector. If this were true, she would have gone years ago. They probably get perks too. Free parking etc.

Score: 35

Spy Boy
5:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

This story is good news. I'm glad that some people are willing to fight. Elections next year too, so let's say goodbye to Bill and Ada.

This story is good news. I'm glad that some people are willing to fight. Elections next year too, so let's say goodbye to Bill and Ada.Spy Boy

This story is good news. I'm glad that some people are willing to fight. Elections next year too, so let's say goodbye to Bill and Ada.

Score: 45

darloboss
5:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

sign me up for the DLA

sign me up for the DLAdarloboss

sign me up for the DLA

Score: 34

Teesflyer
5:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.

There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.Teesflyer

There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.

Great news!!!!
The chickens are coming home to roost..Bill and his gravy train buddies will find it hard to ignore an organised group determined to hold them to account for their shameful actions.

Great news!!!!
The chickens are coming home to roost..Bill and his gravy train buddies will find it hard to ignore an organised group determined to hold them to account for their shameful actions.Darloresident

Great news!!!!
The chickens are coming home to roost..Bill and his gravy train buddies will find it hard to ignore an organised group determined to hold them to account for their shameful actions.

Score: 38

JJ2000
6:57pm Wed 20 Aug 14

This is good.
As long as the protests and complaints stay focused on facts and away from ad hominem sniping or basic assumptions then I'm all for it.

Good on you!

This is good.
As long as the protests and complaints stay focused on facts and away from ad hominem sniping or basic assumptions then I'm all for it.
Good on you!JJ2000

This is good.
As long as the protests and complaints stay focused on facts and away from ad hominem sniping or basic assumptions then I'm all for it.

Good on you!

Score: 31

Lionel1
7:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....

Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....Lionel1

Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....

Score: -22

hogworth
7:21pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Good luck to the DLA I hope they can make a difference.

Good luck to the DLA I hope they can make a difference.hogworth

Good luck to the DLA I hope they can make a difference.

Score: 30

Bank of Europe
7:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Whats the address Ill join !!

Whats the address Ill join !!Bank of Europe

Whats the address Ill join !!

Score: 18

JJ2000
7:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Lionel1 wrote…

Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....

You are absolutely right Lionel, but the concern is that DBC are making no effort whatsoever to assist these businesses.
The overpriced car parks are patrolled mercilessly to find that one chap who is 1 minute late, all businesses HAVE to pay a tribute to BiD for NO BENEFIT AT ALL! There has been no financial return for this unethical and very possibly illegal if challenged levy, regardless of what they claim.
The council are employed to utilise their intelligence and vision to create a Darlington that is vibrant, interesting, economically beneficial, developing socially and culturally, promotes inspiration and desire in our young ones, and become a landmark of positivity and hope.
However the council seem to swap intelligence for ignorance, and vision for self indulgence. This has Darlington swapping social and cultural potential replaced with us, them and the boyo's, inspiration and desire has been replaced with loitering, drinking, criminal acts that receive at best a warning and a complete lack of hope felt among a great many of them. Darlington has many boys, girls, men and women who want and will strive to better themselves and their peers if the opportunities become present. Darlington is, at this time, a town of indifference, and if this is to completely change, the leadership needs to completely change too.

[quote][p][bold]Lionel1[/bold] wrote:
Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....[/p][/quote]You are absolutely right Lionel, but the concern is that DBC are making no effort whatsoever to assist these businesses.
The overpriced car parks are patrolled mercilessly to find that one chap who is 1 minute late, all businesses HAVE to pay a tribute to BiD for NO BENEFIT AT ALL! There has been no financial return for this unethical and very possibly illegal if challenged levy, regardless of what they claim.
The council are employed to utilise their intelligence and vision to create a Darlington that is vibrant, interesting, economically beneficial, developing socially and culturally, promotes inspiration and desire in our young ones, and become a landmark of positivity and hope.
However the council seem to swap intelligence for ignorance, and vision for self indulgence. This has Darlington swapping social and cultural potential replaced with us, them and the boyo's, inspiration and desire has been replaced with loitering, drinking, criminal acts that receive at best a warning and a complete lack of hope felt among a great many of them. Darlington has many boys, girls, men and women who want and will strive to better themselves and their peers if the opportunities become present. Darlington is, at this time, a town of indifference, and if this is to completely change, the leadership needs to completely change too.JJ2000

Lionel1 wrote…

Town centre's all around the country are struggling, this isn't just a Darlington problem. Could the reason businesses are struggling in the town centre is theyre not competitive? Supermarkets, online retailers and out of town developments offer similar products for less and are more accessible. Just a thought....

You are absolutely right Lionel, but the concern is that DBC are making no effort whatsoever to assist these businesses.
The overpriced car parks are patrolled mercilessly to find that one chap who is 1 minute late, all businesses HAVE to pay a tribute to BiD for NO BENEFIT AT ALL! There has been no financial return for this unethical and very possibly illegal if challenged levy, regardless of what they claim.
The council are employed to utilise their intelligence and vision to create a Darlington that is vibrant, interesting, economically beneficial, developing socially and culturally, promotes inspiration and desire in our young ones, and become a landmark of positivity and hope.
However the council seem to swap intelligence for ignorance, and vision for self indulgence. This has Darlington swapping social and cultural potential replaced with us, them and the boyo's, inspiration and desire has been replaced with loitering, drinking, criminal acts that receive at best a warning and a complete lack of hope felt among a great many of them. Darlington has many boys, girls, men and women who want and will strive to better themselves and their peers if the opportunities become present. Darlington is, at this time, a town of indifference, and if this is to completely change, the leadership needs to completely change too.

Score: 43

Homshaw1
8:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

All councils have had their budgets cut but the services provided by DBC are worse in nearly every respect than neighbouring councils and they take every opportunity to extract additional revenue at every opportunity.
The only trouble with this DLA is it doesn't go far enough. They are saying the labour party is poor but where is the alternative. You need something like the Hartlepool First party to offer a real alternative to the electorate.

All councils have had their budgets cut but the services provided by DBC are worse in nearly every respect than neighbouring councils and they take every opportunity to extract additional revenue at every opportunity.
The only trouble with this DLA is it doesn't go far enough. They are saying the labour party is poor but where is the alternative. You need something like the Hartlepool First party to offer a real alternative to the electorate.Homshaw1

All councils have had their budgets cut but the services provided by DBC are worse in nearly every respect than neighbouring councils and they take every opportunity to extract additional revenue at every opportunity.
The only trouble with this DLA is it doesn't go far enough. They are saying the labour party is poor but where is the alternative. You need something like the Hartlepool First party to offer a real alternative to the electorate.

Score: 27

fedup binman
9:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

i work for this lot on street sceene the management bill ada and the rest of them have ruined the place fortnightly refuse & recycling now they want you to cut your own grass verges litter pick your streets just so they can keep awarding themselves big pay rises in there cushy made up jobs never seen the moral so low everybody hates the place

i work for this lot on street sceene the management bill ada and the rest of them have ruined the place fortnightly refuse & recycling now they want you to cut your own grass verges litter pick your streets just so they can keep awarding themselves big pay rises in there cushy made up jobs never seen the moral so low everybody hates the placefedup binman

i work for this lot on street sceene the management bill ada and the rest of them have ruined the place fortnightly refuse & recycling now they want you to cut your own grass verges litter pick your streets just so they can keep awarding themselves big pay rises in there cushy made up jobs never seen the moral so low everybody hates the place

Score: 60

Christine'
10:01pm Wed 20 Aug 14

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .Christine'

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Score: -61

laughingboy51
10:50pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,lol

[quote][p][bold]Christine'[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,lollaughingboy51

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,lol

Score: 34

DP20
7:40am Thu 21 Aug 14

Well from a person who used to live in this once vibrant town, who has now made the move to get the hell out before it dies and takes all of its trade with it, I can say DBC as a council are a joke, they line their pockets at the detriment of local traders and residents. All these pet projects benefit no one. do something about the louts in St Cuthberts getting hammered right opposite the police station which is just downright disgusting.

Where I relocated to is under the Durham County Council umbrella, well organised, well funded ran like a business, the local area always has litter pickers, grass is cut weekly, I even traveled the few miles to Sunderland for a change, guess what parking 150 metres away from the shopping heart "40p" an hour, "80p" right in the centre of the City Councils sites, so tell me why do DBC have to put yellow lines everywhere, parking machines everywhere, even residents cant park near their own homes due to "permit holders only", the towns DBC are a constant joke, its great to be in an area where a council look after its residents for a change, you need to get these overpaid idiots out ASAP and I wish DLA all the best in their campaign for their business and getting some transparency on what goes on in Bills & Adas secret meetings ;)

Well from a person who used to live in this once vibrant town, who has now made the move to get the hell out before it dies and takes all of its trade with it, I can say DBC as a council are a joke, they line their pockets at the detriment of local traders and residents. All these pet projects benefit no one. do something about the louts in St Cuthberts getting hammered right opposite the police station which is just downright disgusting.
Where I relocated to is under the Durham County Council umbrella, well organised, well funded ran like a business, the local area always has litter pickers, grass is cut weekly, I even traveled the few miles to Sunderland for a change, guess what parking 150 metres away from the shopping heart "40p" an hour, "80p" right in the centre of the City Councils sites, so tell me why do DBC have to put yellow lines everywhere, parking machines everywhere, even residents cant park near their own homes due to "permit holders only", the towns DBC are a constant joke, its great to be in an area where a council look after its residents for a change, you need to get these overpaid idiots out ASAP and I wish DLA all the best in their campaign for their business and getting some transparency on what goes on in Bills & Adas secret meetings ;)DP20

Well from a person who used to live in this once vibrant town, who has now made the move to get the hell out before it dies and takes all of its trade with it, I can say DBC as a council are a joke, they line their pockets at the detriment of local traders and residents. All these pet projects benefit no one. do something about the louts in St Cuthberts getting hammered right opposite the police station which is just downright disgusting.

Where I relocated to is under the Durham County Council umbrella, well organised, well funded ran like a business, the local area always has litter pickers, grass is cut weekly, I even traveled the few miles to Sunderland for a change, guess what parking 150 metres away from the shopping heart "40p" an hour, "80p" right in the centre of the City Councils sites, so tell me why do DBC have to put yellow lines everywhere, parking machines everywhere, even residents cant park near their own homes due to "permit holders only", the towns DBC are a constant joke, its great to be in an area where a council look after its residents for a change, you need to get these overpaid idiots out ASAP and I wish DLA all the best in their campaign for their business and getting some transparency on what goes on in Bills & Adas secret meetings ;)

Score: 56

DP20
7:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

And here we go http://en.parkopedia
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And here we go http://en.parkopedia
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And here we go http://en.parkopedia
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Score: 1

Homshaw1
7:43am Thu 21 Aug 14

They clearly are determined to do something about it which can hardly be described as whining.
The big difference between Mr Metcalfe and DBC is with DBC you have no choice but to pay even through the service level is dire.

They clearly are determined to do something about it which can hardly be described as whining.
The big difference between Mr Metcalfe and DBC is with DBC you have no choice but to pay even through the service level is dire.Homshaw1

They clearly are determined to do something about it which can hardly be described as whining.
The big difference between Mr Metcalfe and DBC is with DBC you have no choice but to pay even through the service level is dire.

Score: 30

Equity1
7:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

Obscene amounts of money paid to worthless people whilst those on the front line struggle to make ends meet . Like pigs in a trough ,Hoggs and all sorts .Jobs for those well connected always existed ,often life times of a very good salary then a word in the right ear another lovely little earner- who said Police ?

Obscene amounts of money paid to worthless people whilst those on the front line struggle to make ends meet . Like pigs in a trough ,Hoggs and all sorts .Jobs for those well connected always existed ,often life times of a very good salary then a word in the right ear another lovely little earner- who said Police ?Equity1

Obscene amounts of money paid to worthless people whilst those on the front line struggle to make ends meet . Like pigs in a trough ,Hoggs and all sorts .Jobs for those well connected always existed ,often life times of a very good salary then a word in the right ear another lovely little earner- who said Police ?

From reading some of the above comments I can understand the frustration of local tradesman and shop owners if you feel unfairly treated by decisions made by DBC so I hope that DLA will give you some transparency and clout in the future. I would also like to point that it's not all doom and gloom in Darlington like some comments suggest . Although certain thing's could be improved on the whole Darlington TC is a decent place - and very good in comparision to some of our Tees Valley neighbours (Stockton, M'bro & especially Hartlepool)!!

From reading some of the above comments I can understand the frustration of local tradesman and shop owners if you feel unfairly treated by decisions made by DBC so I hope that DLA will give you some transparency and clout in the future. I would also like to point that it's not all doom and gloom in Darlington like some comments suggest . Although certain thing's could be improved on the whole Darlington TC is a decent place - and very good in comparision to some of our Tees Valley neighbours (Stockton, M'bro & especially Hartlepool)!!Lionel1

From reading some of the above comments I can understand the frustration of local tradesman and shop owners if you feel unfairly treated by decisions made by DBC so I hope that DLA will give you some transparency and clout in the future. I would also like to point that it's not all doom and gloom in Darlington like some comments suggest . Although certain thing's could be improved on the whole Darlington TC is a decent place - and very good in comparision to some of our Tees Valley neighbours (Stockton, M'bro & especially Hartlepool)!!

Score: 10

RealLivin
11:14am Thu 21 Aug 14

is there an email address, I can view the facebook page but not comment as I dont have a facebook account and I have no intentions of getting one but would like to be able to get in touch

is there an email address, I can view the facebook page but not comment as I dont have a facebook account and I have no intentions of getting one but would like to be able to get in touchRealLivin

is there an email address, I can view the facebook page but not comment as I dont have a facebook account and I have no intentions of getting one but would like to be able to get in touch

Score: 5

behonest
12:16pm Thu 21 Aug 14

I'm all for the DLA - good luck.

Just remember, keep hammering home the message that it's the ordinary folk of Darlo that are being stitched up by the policies of the Darlington Labour Council. If anything is to change, it's ordinary voters that will change it, not Labour Council executives.

I'm all for the DLA - good luck.
Just remember, keep hammering home the message that it's the ordinary folk of Darlo that are being stitched up by the policies of the Darlington Labour Council. If anything is to change, it's ordinary voters that will change it, not Labour Council executives.behonest

I'm all for the DLA - good luck.

Just remember, keep hammering home the message that it's the ordinary folk of Darlo that are being stitched up by the policies of the Darlington Labour Council. If anything is to change, it's ordinary voters that will change it, not Labour Council executives.

Score: 40

ianh
2:26pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.
If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.
If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.ianh

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

Score: -24

Blankface
2:49pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.

Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.Blankface

Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.

Score: -33

DarloXman
2:47pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ianh wrote…

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

This is the start of people who are dissatisfied with Mr Dixon (OBE Nominated) and Ms Burns (OBE Nominated) trying to make a change! If you read the Facebook page it is actually suggested that they may support a "non political" candidate. Anyone who stands for election as an independent in a local council election needs publicity and a platform to air their opinions - this could be the vehicle to enable them to do this.

I think this action needs to be applauded and encouraged - under the title of democracy - not criticised as you have done!

I'm sorry that I disappoint you by being one of the "whingers" - but I do wonder your motives for your negative attitude to people who desire a change from the indefensible appalling situation we currently have in Darlington. I wonder why you are so happy with the status quo - nose in the trout somehow?

[quote][p][bold]ianh[/bold] wrote:
Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.
If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.
If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.[/p][/quote]This is the start of people who are dissatisfied with Mr Dixon (OBE Nominated) and Ms Burns (OBE Nominated) trying to make a change! If you read the Facebook page it is actually suggested that they may support a "non political" candidate. Anyone who stands for election as an independent in a local council election needs publicity and a platform to air their opinions - this could be the vehicle to enable them to do this.
I think this action needs to be applauded and encouraged - under the title of democracy - not criticised as you have done!
I'm sorry that I disappoint you by being one of the "whingers" - but I do wonder your motives for your negative attitude to people who desire a change from the indefensible appalling situation we currently have in Darlington. I wonder why you are so happy with the status quo - nose in the trout somehow?DarloXman

ianh wrote…

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

This is the start of people who are dissatisfied with Mr Dixon (OBE Nominated) and Ms Burns (OBE Nominated) trying to make a change! If you read the Facebook page it is actually suggested that they may support a "non political" candidate. Anyone who stands for election as an independent in a local council election needs publicity and a platform to air their opinions - this could be the vehicle to enable them to do this.

I think this action needs to be applauded and encouraged - under the title of democracy - not criticised as you have done!

I'm sorry that I disappoint you by being one of the "whingers" - but I do wonder your motives for your negative attitude to people who desire a change from the indefensible appalling situation we currently have in Darlington. I wonder why you are so happy with the status quo - nose in the trout somehow?

Score: 34

RealLivin
2:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ianh wrote…

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

I hope your are wrong and DLA are not just whingers, they need ideas and viable plans to take on DBC. The problem with the "majority" is that they vote the same as their fathers, grandfathers and great grand fathers with no thought to what or who they are voting for, hence the same old same old still in power. As for running for office that is totally different , you need time energy and passion for the town which it seems most of our councilors dont have and for a business person or one who needs to work for a living it will be very difficult to get these qualities in the quantities needed to do the job properly. What is needed is a council who will actually listen and do what is good for the town.

"Those who seek leadership are not worthy, true leaders have leadership thrust on them", not sure where this saying comes from but it is usually true most leaders to day seek the power and position and cant lead.

[quote][p][bold]ianh[/bold] wrote:
Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.
If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.
If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.[/p][/quote]I hope your are wrong and DLA are not just whingers, they need ideas and viable plans to take on DBC. The problem with the "majority" is that they vote the same as their fathers, grandfathers and great grand fathers with no thought to what or who they are voting for, hence the same old same old still in power. As for running for office that is totally different , you need time energy and passion for the town which it seems most of our councilors dont have and for a business person or one who needs to work for a living it will be very difficult to get these qualities in the quantities needed to do the job properly. What is needed is a council who will actually listen and do what is good for the town.
"Those who seek leadership are not worthy, true leaders have leadership thrust on them", not sure where this saying comes from but it is usually true most leaders to day seek the power and position and cant lead.RealLivin

ianh wrote…

Darlington Liberation Army? what a joke.

If you really want to change things, get off yer whining backsides and stand for election next year.
If you believe the majority in the town support your view, go and prove it in May. Its called democracy.

If you generally support one of the main parties, join them and stand on their behalf...they are always desperate for local candidates and you will have a say as to who stands where.
If you dont support them, stand on your own two feet and make yourself heard.
I strongly suspect that most of the whingers, so quick to voice their support for the "DLA" wont be so quick to stand come election time.

I hope your are wrong and DLA are not just whingers, they need ideas and viable plans to take on DBC. The problem with the "majority" is that they vote the same as their fathers, grandfathers and great grand fathers with no thought to what or who they are voting for, hence the same old same old still in power. As for running for office that is totally different , you need time energy and passion for the town which it seems most of our councilors dont have and for a business person or one who needs to work for a living it will be very difficult to get these qualities in the quantities needed to do the job properly. What is needed is a council who will actually listen and do what is good for the town.

"Those who seek leadership are not worthy, true leaders have leadership thrust on them", not sure where this saying comes from but it is usually true most leaders to day seek the power and position and cant lead.

Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.

It's not that the council charge for parking, Its the whole package offered by DBC. Other councils face cut back but have toilets where needed. They have people cleaning the streets and cutting the grass, Other comparable councils charge for parking but not as much as Darlington. Go to the tip and only Darlington charge for dumping an old toilet. Subways smell of urine, walk out the subway and there is weeds growing head high. Walk home and the same rubbish lies untouched for weeks and gulleys have knee high foliage growing in them.

Try to get something done and you will speak to 10 pen pushers but you won't see anybody with a broom

I looked at the display by DLA. Why should Poundstrecher pay money to DBC just to unload supplies. They are not in any ones way. Its simple extortion.

[quote][p][bold]Topcat28[/bold] wrote:
Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.[/p][/quote]It's not that the council charge for parking, Its the whole package offered by DBC. Other councils face cut back but have toilets where needed. They have people cleaning the streets and cutting the grass, Other comparable councils charge for parking but not as much as Darlington. Go to the tip and only Darlington charge for dumping an old toilet. Subways smell of urine, walk out the subway and there is weeds growing head high. Walk home and the same rubbish lies untouched for weeks and gulleys have knee high foliage growing in them.
Try to get something done and you will speak to 10 pen pushers but you won't see anybody with a broom
I looked at the display by DLA. Why should Poundstrecher pay money to DBC just to unload supplies. They are not in any ones way. Its simple extortion.Homshaw1

Topcat28 wrote…

Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.

It's not that the council charge for parking, Its the whole package offered by DBC. Other councils face cut back but have toilets where needed. They have people cleaning the streets and cutting the grass, Other comparable councils charge for parking but not as much as Darlington. Go to the tip and only Darlington charge for dumping an old toilet. Subways smell of urine, walk out the subway and there is weeds growing head high. Walk home and the same rubbish lies untouched for weeks and gulleys have knee high foliage growing in them.

Try to get something done and you will speak to 10 pen pushers but you won't see anybody with a broom

I looked at the display by DLA. Why should Poundstrecher pay money to DBC just to unload supplies. They are not in any ones way. Its simple extortion.

Score: 41

BMD
4:15pm Thu 21 Aug 14

After reading ianh & Blankface's comments

It looks like Bill Dixon has managed to wake up a couple of town clerks and ordered them to respond on his behalf.

After reading ianh & Blankface's comments
It looks like Bill Dixon has managed to wake up a couple of town clerks and ordered them to respond on his behalf.BMD

After reading ianh & Blankface's comments

It looks like Bill Dixon has managed to wake up a couple of town clerks and ordered them to respond on his behalf.

Score: 39

Topcat28
4:37pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.

Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.Topcat28

Although I agree and support the movement I feel online shopping with take its toll. Towns and Citys need to change and offer something different if they are to survive. If I can buy a product cheaper online I will, as I imagine will many others passing comment. I do however appreciate this is not always the case.
Although free parking would be productive for the traders it will also have a massive impact on councils income, which ultimately means cuts. I imagine this leaves a lot of people on the fence.

Score: 7

Cypress
4:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.

What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.Cypress

What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.

Score: -10

ianh
5:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.

The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?

A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.

And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name !

Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.
The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?
A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.
And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name !ianh

Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.

The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?

A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.

And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name !

Score: -8

behonest
5:15pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Blankface wrote…

Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.

The DLA couldn't do any worse - 'cos Darlo can't go any lower than where it already is under this Labour Council - rock bottom.

[quote][p][bold]Blankface[/bold] wrote:
Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.[/p][/quote]The DLA couldn't do any worse - 'cos Darlo can't go any lower than where it already is under this Labour Council - rock bottom.behonest

Blankface wrote…

Hahaha the people of Darlington whining again.
I think the DLA should be put in charge of the council so it really can hit rock bottom.

The DLA couldn't do any worse - 'cos Darlo can't go any lower than where it already is under this Labour Council - rock bottom.

Score: 15

behonest
5:43pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ianh wrote…

Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.

The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?

A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.

And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name !

As we live in a democracy, anyone is able to criticise any elected representative or political party/policies if they so wish. And thank goodness for that. The often heard cry of 'Well, you stand for election if you can do better' is a diversionary tactic that most of us can see through. If I strongly oppose Darlo council's parking charges, this means I should stand for election just to try and change this one policy? What nonsense.

The DLA may, and are perfectly entitled to, have quite a narrow range of issues that they feel should be addressed to make Darlo a better place to do business in. This does not mean they are set up, or want to be set up, to run as a political party in any election. Hence their comment about supporting a suitable candidate rather than run as a party themselves. This must be very simple to understand?

And some posters, support on a website and a facebook page is a start. Let's see where it goes from here. Some favourable local press coverage as we approach the election (doubtful with the Echo, but you never know), local press ads criticising councillors who won't support their aims, even more posters in more shops, one of them gets a local radio interview, etc. You don't to persuade that many people in some local Wards that Labour are still letting them down, to swing a few seats.

Far better than standing as independent, so that, even if you win, you'll still be ignored by the Labour council.

[quote][p][bold]ianh[/bold] wrote:
Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.
The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?
A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.
And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name ![/p][/quote]As we live in a democracy, anyone is able to criticise any elected representative or political party/policies if they so wish. And thank goodness for that. The often heard cry of 'Well, you stand for election if you can do better' is a diversionary tactic that most of us can see through. If I strongly oppose Darlo council's parking charges, this means I should stand for election just to try and change this one policy? What nonsense.
The DLA may, and are perfectly entitled to, have quite a narrow range of issues that they feel should be addressed to make Darlo a better place to do business in. This does not mean they are set up, or want to be set up, to run as a political party in any election. Hence their comment about supporting a suitable candidate rather than run as a party themselves. This must be very simple to understand?
And some posters, support on a website and a facebook page is a start. Let's see where it goes from here. Some favourable local press coverage as we approach the election (doubtful with the Echo, but you never know), local press ads criticising councillors who won't support their aims, even more posters in more shops, one of them gets a local radio interview, etc. You don't to persuade that many people in some local Wards that Labour are still letting them down, to swing a few seats.
Far better than standing as independent, so that, even if you win, you'll still be ignored by the Labour council.behonest

ianh wrote…

Nope, I am not Ian Hestletine, not do i have anything to do with DBC at all, so no trough for me!
I do however have extensive and indeed successful experience opposing actions by dbc which were to affect me and many in my local community.

The only way to facilitate change is to work hard and persuade people that you are in the right.
In this case the grievance regards the actions of a democratically elected council. Therefore who may hold strong views on this subject should stand up and be counted, stand against these sitting cllrs and make change happen.
DarloXman suggests the DLA "may support" a non-political candidate....well fine, but why dont they(or indeed him) ,not stand to oppose Bill & co.?

A few posters and whinging on a website isnt going to do that.

And Darlington Liberation Army is a stupid name !

As we live in a democracy, anyone is able to criticise any elected representative or political party/policies if they so wish. And thank goodness for that. The often heard cry of 'Well, you stand for election if you can do better' is a diversionary tactic that most of us can see through. If I strongly oppose Darlo council's parking charges, this means I should stand for election just to try and change this one policy? What nonsense.

The DLA may, and are perfectly entitled to, have quite a narrow range of issues that they feel should be addressed to make Darlo a better place to do business in. This does not mean they are set up, or want to be set up, to run as a political party in any election. Hence their comment about supporting a suitable candidate rather than run as a party themselves. This must be very simple to understand?

And some posters, support on a website and a facebook page is a start. Let's see where it goes from here. Some favourable local press coverage as we approach the election (doubtful with the Echo, but you never know), local press ads criticising councillors who won't support their aims, even more posters in more shops, one of them gets a local radio interview, etc. You don't to persuade that many people in some local Wards that Labour are still letting them down, to swing a few seats.

Far better than standing as independent, so that, even if you win, you'll still be ignored by the Labour council.

Score: 13

behonest
5:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

You don't need to persuade....that is.

You don't need to persuade....that is.behonest

You don't need to persuade....that is.

Score: 4

Bank of Europe
6:44pm Thu 21 Aug 14

laughingboy51 wrote…

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,lol

Spoken as if your Bill's P.A. ???

[quote][p][bold]laughingboy51[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Christine'[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,lol[/p][/quote]Spoken as if your Bill's P.A. ???Bank of Europe

laughingboy51 wrote…

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Spoken like a true DBC worker,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,lol

Spoken as if your Bill's P.A. ???

Score: 8

Thor67
7:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Sorry, last sentence should read "Stop being sheep and exercise YOUR voluntary choices."

Sorry, last sentence should read "Stop being sheep and exercise YOUR voluntary choices."Thor67

Sorry, last sentence should read "Stop being sheep and exercise YOUR voluntary choices."

Score: 4

JJTOP2
7:58pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Ain't democracy wonderful?

How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?

People don't like change in my experience and will vote for certainties, no matter how poor those are.

Ain't democracy wonderful?
How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?
People don't like change in my experience and will vote for certainties, no matter how poor those are.JJTOP2

Ain't democracy wonderful?

How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?

People don't like change in my experience and will vote for certainties, no matter how poor those are.

Score: -4

behonest
8:31pm Thu 21 Aug 14

JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"

For the reasons I explained earlier.

JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"
For the reasons I explained earlier.behonest

JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"

For the reasons I explained earlier.

Score: 4

spragger
9:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Where is Wolfie when you need him . .

So called Democracy has let us down, particularly when it comes to Council Tax.
If you look at the figures far too many folk do not pay CT, or Income Tax for that matter. what are they going to do? Vote for the most profligate, spendthrift Council they can find.
In the North this is almost exclusively a Labour one.

Why can people vote, who contribute nothing, to spend other peoples money?

Where is Wolfie when you need him . .
So called Democracy has let us down, particularly when it comes to Council Tax.
If you look at the figures far too many folk do not pay CT, or Income Tax for that matter. what are they going to do? Vote for the most profligate, spendthrift Council they can find.
In the North this is almost exclusively a Labour one.
Why can people vote, who contribute nothing, to spend other peoples money?spragger

Where is Wolfie when you need him . .

So called Democracy has let us down, particularly when it comes to Council Tax.
If you look at the figures far too many folk do not pay CT, or Income Tax for that matter. what are they going to do? Vote for the most profligate, spendthrift Council they can find.
In the North this is almost exclusively a Labour one.

Why can people vote, who contribute nothing, to spend other peoples money?

Score: 14

calumannabel
10:56pm Thu 21 Aug 14

I think we should all look on the bright side - at least we're not Hartlepool!
Now there is a sh1t tip if ever there was one. present mayor and council leader in a civil partnership past mayor in a monkey suit at Pools' matches!

I think we should all look on the bright side - at least we're not Hartlepool!
Now there is a sh1t tip if ever there was one. present mayor and council leader in a civil partnership past mayor in a monkey suit at Pools' matches!calumannabel

I think we should all look on the bright side - at least we're not Hartlepool!
Now there is a sh1t tip if ever there was one. present mayor and council leader in a civil partnership past mayor in a monkey suit at Pools' matches!

Score: 8

ianh
9:28am Fri 22 Aug 14

A facebook page and a few posters is not going to facilitate change. If the so-called DLA are serious about their aims they need to be work a **** sight harder than that.
Turn up at every cllrs surgery and lobby them. Attend dbc committee meeting and full council meetings. (They are all open to the public and they must accept public questions at full council.)
Get in their face and make yourself heard.
Organise publicity events in the town and garner wider public support

Only if you can then demonstrate this significant degree of public support can you expect "favourable press coverage"

It takes time effort organisation and commitment.

If you feel strongly enough you can make it happen, if you dont, stop moaning ....or move to Hartlepool!

Oh, and DLA is still a really stupid name....

A facebook page and a few posters is not going to facilitate change. If the so-called DLA are serious about their aims they need to be work a **** sight harder than that.
Turn up at every cllrs surgery and lobby them. Attend dbc committee meeting and full council meetings. (They are all open to the public and they must accept public questions at full council.)
Get in their face and make yourself heard.
Organise publicity events in the town and garner wider public support
Only if you can then demonstrate this significant degree of public support can you expect "favourable press coverage"
It takes time effort organisation and commitment.
If you feel strongly enough you can make it happen, if you dont, stop moaning ....or move to Hartlepool!
Oh, and DLA is still a really stupid name....ianh

A facebook page and a few posters is not going to facilitate change. If the so-called DLA are serious about their aims they need to be work a **** sight harder than that.
Turn up at every cllrs surgery and lobby them. Attend dbc committee meeting and full council meetings. (They are all open to the public and they must accept public questions at full council.)
Get in their face and make yourself heard.
Organise publicity events in the town and garner wider public support

Only if you can then demonstrate this significant degree of public support can you expect "favourable press coverage"

It takes time effort organisation and commitment.

If you feel strongly enough you can make it happen, if you dont, stop moaning ....or move to Hartlepool!

Oh, and DLA is still a really stupid name....

Score: 3

studio
10:58am Fri 22 Aug 14

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Ada? Is that you?

[quote][p][bold]Christine'[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .[/p][/quote]Ada? Is that you?studio

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

Ada? Is that you?

Score: 11

ianh
12:09pm Fri 22 Aug 14

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .ianh

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

Score: -1

Homshaw1
4:36pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ianh wrote…

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

But do you not accuse anyone not supporting your viewpoint of whinging or whining which is equally annoying.

[quote][p][bold]ianh[/bold] wrote:
If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .[/p][/quote]But do you not accuse anyone not supporting your viewpoint of whinging or whining which is equally annoying.Homshaw1

ianh wrote…

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

But do you not accuse anyone not supporting your viewpoint of whinging or whining which is equally annoying.

Score: 8

LUSTARD
5:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

behonest wrote…

JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"

For the reasons I explained earlier.

triple plea

[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote:
JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"
For the reasons I explained earlier.[/p][/quote]triple pleaLUSTARD

behonest wrote…

JJTOP2 says...
"How many votes could DLA win? Instead of firing from the undergrowth why don't these soldiers put themselves up for election?"

For the reasons I explained earlier.

triple plea

Score: -1

behonest
6:10pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ianh wrote…

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

Very questionable.
Considering 'Christine' had written 'stop whining' twice before she'd even reached the end of her second sentence, shows to me that she is totally opposed to the views of this group; she's not someone 'who happens not to fully support' it. So it is reasonable to think she is either connected in some way to this Labour Council or, at the very least, a supporter of it.
Those who stand to be persuaded will not be put off by seeing suspected die-hard Labour council supporters accused of being such.

[quote][p][bold]ianh[/bold] wrote:
If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .[/p][/quote]Very questionable.
Considering 'Christine' had written 'stop whining' twice before she'd even reached the end of her second sentence, shows to me that she is totally opposed to the views of this group; she's not someone 'who happens not to fully support' it. So it is reasonable to think she is either connected in some way to this Labour Council or, at the very least, a supporter of it.
Those who stand to be persuaded will not be put off by seeing suspected die-hard Labour council supporters accused of being such.behonest

ianh wrote…

If you are to have any chance of gaining the support of the wider community you must really stop insinuating that anyone who happens not to fully support your viewpoint must automatically be in the pockets of dbc.
All you will succeed in doing is alienating those who may otherwise be stand to be persuaded .

Very questionable.
Considering 'Christine' had written 'stop whining' twice before she'd even reached the end of her second sentence, shows to me that she is totally opposed to the views of this group; she's not someone 'who happens not to fully support' it. So it is reasonable to think she is either connected in some way to this Labour Council or, at the very least, a supporter of it.
Those who stand to be persuaded will not be put off by seeing suspected die-hard Labour council supporters accused of being such.

Score: 8

behonest
6:16pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

It's a good job for the Labour Council that they need have no such worries about trying to be competitive.
If they want extra income, they just put the council tax up by the maximum amount. Every year, as we all know.
If Darlington traders hike their prices every year, they go bust.

[quote][p][bold]Christine'[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .[/p][/quote]It's a good job for the Labour Council that they need have no such worries about trying to be competitive.
If they want extra income, they just put the council tax up by the maximum amount. Every year, as we all know.
If Darlington traders hike their prices every year, they go bust.behonest

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

It's a good job for the Labour Council that they need have no such worries about trying to be competitive.
If they want extra income, they just put the council tax up by the maximum amount. Every year, as we all know.
If Darlington traders hike their prices every year, they go bust.

Score: 14

Awake-in-Darlo
12:21pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Interesting comments. I hope this group is not only based on the parking issue and related drop in trade. Perhaps another reason for that .is the opening of several discount stores and takeaways in recent years (i.e. Primark, Pound shops, pizza and burger takeaways etc.) which are bound to undercut sole traders prices. However the clampdown on parking and excess of traffic wardens will NOT encourage people to visit Darlington. DBC can afford to employ various "wardens" yet not a single cleaner for the toilets, one lady did a good job for years but was made redundant . The broader picture is that services are being cut to the bone. Park and cemetery upkeep and street cleaning staff minimised, Then privatising the Whessoe tip which has led to fly tipping that is not cleaned up. Closure of facilities and events, wasting money on pointless schemes, allowing vagrancy and drugs/drink/begging etc. to go unchecked. And more. All collectively has led to a change in the character of Darlington over the last 15 years or so. Ah, wasn`t that around the time when the Council gained more power ? Strange that.

Interesting comments. I hope this group is not only based on the parking issue and related drop in trade. Perhaps another reason for that .is the opening of several discount stores and takeaways in recent years (i.e. Primark, Pound shops, pizza and burger takeaways etc.) which are bound to undercut sole traders prices. However the clampdown on parking and excess of traffic wardens will NOT encourage people to visit Darlington. DBC can afford to employ various "wardens" yet not a single cleaner for the toilets, one lady did a good job for years but was made redundant . The broader picture is that services are being cut to the bone. Park and cemetery upkeep and street cleaning staff minimised, Then privatising the Whessoe tip which has led to fly tipping that is not cleaned up. Closure of facilities and events, wasting money on pointless schemes, allowing vagrancy and drugs/drink/begging etc. to go unchecked. And more. All collectively has led to a change in the character of Darlington over the last 15 years or so. Ah, wasn`t that around the time when the Council gained more power ? Strange that.Awake-in-Darlo

Interesting comments. I hope this group is not only based on the parking issue and related drop in trade. Perhaps another reason for that .is the opening of several discount stores and takeaways in recent years (i.e. Primark, Pound shops, pizza and burger takeaways etc.) which are bound to undercut sole traders prices. However the clampdown on parking and excess of traffic wardens will NOT encourage people to visit Darlington. DBC can afford to employ various "wardens" yet not a single cleaner for the toilets, one lady did a good job for years but was made redundant . The broader picture is that services are being cut to the bone. Park and cemetery upkeep and street cleaning staff minimised, Then privatising the Whessoe tip which has led to fly tipping that is not cleaned up. Closure of facilities and events, wasting money on pointless schemes, allowing vagrancy and drugs/drink/begging etc. to go unchecked. And more. All collectively has led to a change in the character of Darlington over the last 15 years or so. Ah, wasn`t that around the time when the Council gained more power ? Strange that.

Score: 20

Spy Boy
7:39pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Cypress wrote…

What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.

No. They are the people who have put their lives into giving us choice and service under ever increasing costs and bureaucracy. The council do nothing to help, but do all that they can to rake in more money for themselves. The council are very keen to mention that they have not taken a pay rise, but they manage to give out bonuses to their Execs. They will not disclose these amounts. Ada Burns was asked and said that it was none of our business. Actually, Ada, it is our business and it is our money. As a ratepayer and therefore your employer, I would like you to resign.

[quote][p][bold]Cypress[/bold] wrote:
What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.[/p][/quote]No. They are the people who have put their lives into giving us choice and service under ever increasing costs and bureaucracy. The council do nothing to help, but do all that they can to rake in more money for themselves. The council are very keen to mention that they have not taken a pay rise, but they manage to give out bonuses to their Execs. They will not disclose these amounts. Ada Burns was asked and said that it was none of our business. Actually, Ada, it is our business and it is our money. As a ratepayer and therefore your employer, I would like you to resign.Spy Boy

Cypress wrote…

What a load of tosh, just a bunch of traders who feel everyone owes them their custom but giving very little in return, certainly not value for money when you see some their prices, they may think of themselves as specialist retailers, but the majority are selling nothing special, they just think they are.

No. They are the people who have put their lives into giving us choice and service under ever increasing costs and bureaucracy. The council do nothing to help, but do all that they can to rake in more money for themselves. The council are very keen to mention that they have not taken a pay rise, but they manage to give out bonuses to their Execs. They will not disclose these amounts. Ada Burns was asked and said that it was none of our business. Actually, Ada, it is our business and it is our money. As a ratepayer and therefore your employer, I would like you to resign.

Score: 19

g10001
8:45pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Seems the only way forward is by direct action like this its the only way for Darlington people to get the truth about whats happening with Darlington council.
The Echo continues to print anything the Council tells them without checking any of the facts and figures and seems to be in the Councils pocket.
Take for example the 'The Town Crier' or 'The Town liar' as it became known a back slapping waste of paper telling us how good the council are with no balancing articles whatsoever.
Now we have a glossy publication 'hot news' with no hot news at all apart from showing us how this council wastes money.
A typical piece was Clr Wallis telling us how the council had saved 100k per year by getting rid of staff and vehicles and introducing wheelie bins
forgetting to mention the cost of I believe 1.7m to purchase the bins - Primary school mathematics it will take 17 yrs to recover the cost at 100k per yr not forgetting the cost of replacing lost and damaged bins
and also the bins will probably be at the end of their life cycle by this time - If you believe the Council and the Echo (one and the same) everybody loves the wheelie bins and there are no problems whatsoever with their introduction - Keep digging DLA the people of Darlington deserve the truth !

Seems the only way forward is by direct action like this its the only way for Darlington people to get the truth about whats happening with Darlington council.
The Echo continues to print anything the Council tells them without checking any of the facts and figures and seems to be in the Councils pocket.
Take for example the 'The Town Crier' or 'The Town liar' as it became known a back slapping waste of paper telling us how good the council are with no balancing articles whatsoever.
Now we have a glossy publication 'hot news' with no hot news at all apart from showing us how this council wastes money.
A typical piece was Clr Wallis telling us how the council had saved 100k per year by getting rid of staff and vehicles and introducing wheelie bins
forgetting to mention the cost of I believe 1.7m to purchase the bins - Primary school mathematics it will take 17 yrs to recover the cost at 100k per yr not forgetting the cost of replacing lost and damaged bins
and also the bins will probably be at the end of their life cycle by this time - If you believe the Council and the Echo (one and the same) everybody loves the wheelie bins and there are no problems whatsoever with their introduction - Keep digging DLA the people of Darlington deserve the truth !g10001

Seems the only way forward is by direct action like this its the only way for Darlington people to get the truth about whats happening with Darlington council.
The Echo continues to print anything the Council tells them without checking any of the facts and figures and seems to be in the Councils pocket.
Take for example the 'The Town Crier' or 'The Town liar' as it became known a back slapping waste of paper telling us how good the council are with no balancing articles whatsoever.
Now we have a glossy publication 'hot news' with no hot news at all apart from showing us how this council wastes money.
A typical piece was Clr Wallis telling us how the council had saved 100k per year by getting rid of staff and vehicles and introducing wheelie bins
forgetting to mention the cost of I believe 1.7m to purchase the bins - Primary school mathematics it will take 17 yrs to recover the cost at 100k per yr not forgetting the cost of replacing lost and damaged bins
and also the bins will probably be at the end of their life cycle by this time - If you believe the Council and the Echo (one and the same) everybody loves the wheelie bins and there are no problems whatsoever with their introduction - Keep digging DLA the people of Darlington deserve the truth !

Score: 17

Spy Boy
10:33pm Sat 23 Aug 14

This could make a good Monty Python sketch until you try it out.

What have this council ever done for us?

Well. They gave us . . . . . erm . . . and they did . . . . . Sorry, I give up. What did the council ever do for us?

This could make a good Monty Python sketch until you try it out.
What have this council ever done for us?
Well. They gave us . . . . . erm . . . and they did . . . . . Sorry, I give up. What did the council ever do for us?Spy Boy

This could make a good Monty Python sketch until you try it out.

What have this council ever done for us?

Well. They gave us . . . . . erm . . . and they did . . . . . Sorry, I give up. What did the council ever do for us?

Score: 7

Spy Boy
10:29pm Sat 23 Aug 14

g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.

This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.

OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.

2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.

g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.
This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.
OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.
2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.Spy Boy

g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.

This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.

OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.

2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.

Score: 10

JJTOP2
11:47pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Well SB, to paraphrase Reg "I've seen lots of Messiahs pass through here" but DLA ain't one of them I suspect.

Well SB, to paraphrase Reg "I've seen lots of Messiahs pass through here" but DLA ain't one of them I suspect.JJTOP2

Well SB, to paraphrase Reg "I've seen lots of Messiahs pass through here" but DLA ain't one of them I suspect.

Score: -3

g10001
9:17pm Sun 24 Aug 14

I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -

Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it

Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?

I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -
Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it
Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?g10001

I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -

Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it

Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?

Score: 7

LUSTARD
10:04pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Spy Boy wrote…

g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.

This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.

OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.

2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.

got to agree, our larchfield councillor and her fellow councillor from round the corner seem to be horrendouslly quiet of late, so quiet and so safe a seat or two.

[quote][p][bold]Spy Boy[/bold] wrote:
g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.
This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.
OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.
2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.[/p][/quote]got to agree, our larchfield councillor and her fellow councillor from round the corner seem to be horrendouslly quiet of late, so quiet and so safe a seat or two.LUSTARD

Spy Boy wrote…

g10001. Also, there was the cost of new specialised trucks to take the bins. These vehicles are not cheap. The council do all that they can with red herrings and smoke and mirrors to try and keep us off the scent. I have had first hand knowledge of this. They only tell us what they want us to hear. We never get the whole story. They are still getting rid of people and cutting services while keeping all the elite in their nice little jobs. The whole sorry lot make me sick.

This thread is very interesting, as it may just have shown us, the electorate, the corner that we need to turn. More people than ever are getting wise to their useless handling of every project that they take on. Maybe we should all be putting forward new candidates under the Darlington First heading for 2015. The problem, and the source of their arrogance, is that many will vote for them because they feel that they are voting Labour.

OK, so we what a total mess the Con Dem Government have made of everything and need to vote Labour to get them out. In the General Election, I would agree, but at local level the people of Darlington need to do a bit of tactical voting. Look very carefully at your Wannabe Councillors and start asking them some searching questions. Look at their recent record and see if they really do work for you and not BillandAda.com Don't even think about party politics, as this lot choose rosettes to ensure that they get into power. Lets have some Darlington First Councillors next time. We desperately need some new ideas in the cabinet. The current one is divisive and devoid of talent. Some councillors in the town are pretty sick of them too, so there are some worth voting back in, just avoid the current cabinet. The ones that keep getting the town into the Rotten Boroughs section of Private Eye.

2015 may be your last chance to stop the rot and save the town from going down the drain completely. Vote them out.

got to agree, our larchfield councillor and her fellow councillor from round the corner seem to be horrendouslly quiet of late, so quiet and so safe a seat or two.

Score: 8

Thor67
2:08am Mon 25 Aug 14

g10001 wrote…

I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -

Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it

Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?

The reason they don't get a ticket at the church is because they are our 'friends' from the traveling community and the council are scared of them as are the police.

[quote][p][bold]g10001[/bold] wrote:
I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -
Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it
Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?[/p][/quote]The reason they don't get a ticket at the church is because they are our 'friends' from the traveling community and the council are scared of them as are the police.Thor67

g10001 wrote…

I bet Bill and Ada will be on to their pals at the Echo first thing tuesday for damage limitation on this story - get your comments on now before they shut this one down -

Also I know the question has been asked dozens of times on this site about parking but im going to ask it again - this is to Bill Dixon Ada Burns and the Echo but dont expect an answer from any of them as they usually duck it

Are there 2 sets of parking regulations in Darlington - ie if you park in the town on double yellows and there are no complaints or road safety issues you get a ticket but you can park outside the church on parkgate on double yellows half way on the pavement where dozens of complaints have been made and no tickets are issued - Can anybody explain this anomaly as I for one dont understand it ?

The reason they don't get a ticket at the church is because they are our 'friends' from the traveling community and the council are scared of them as are the police.

Score: 12

JJ2000
12:05pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.

Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.JJ2000

Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.

Score: 8

g10001
6:49pm Mon 25 Aug 14

JJ2000 wrote…

Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.

They will remove this thread shortly - they have been asked this question on why parking isn't enforced on dozens of times but always ignore it - maybe we could have a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us
what the policy is - Bill Dixon and his rabble are a disgrace it wasn't long ago they were ticketing the church members on north road while they were attending services - perhaps we should club together and buy Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardice !

[quote][p][bold]JJ2000[/bold] wrote:
Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.[/p][/quote]They will remove this thread shortly - they have been asked this question on why parking isn't enforced on dozens of times but always ignore it - maybe we could have a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us
what the policy is - Bill Dixon and his rabble are a disgrace it wasn't long ago they were ticketing the church members on north road while they were attending services - perhaps we should club together and buy Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardice !g10001

JJ2000 wrote…

Ethnic favoritism is, essentially, cowardice.
I wonder how the council would react if, say, dozens of digital photos of these cars illegally parked, with full reg numbers on display, and a lack of traffic enforcement around suddenly appeared on the internet.
The council could not demand the photos be removed because the cars are in a public place, negating any right to privacy. The most they could demand is that reg numbers are removed, but this wouldn't excuse the lack of enforcement.
They could not then fail to take action against the owners of the vehicles as that would be discrimination against anyone who has ever received a ticket.
This could be amusing.
Sunday evenings may prove to be a suitable time to grab a snap or twenty.

They will remove this thread shortly - they have been asked this question on why parking isn't enforced on dozens of times but always ignore it - maybe we could have a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us
what the policy is - Bill Dixon and his rabble are a disgrace it wasn't long ago they were ticketing the church members on north road while they were attending services - perhaps we should club together and buy Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardice !

Score: 7

g10001
6:54pm Mon 25 Aug 14

It wasn't long ago when they were ticketing North Road church members on a sunday morning while they were attending services - what we need is a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us what the policy is as its obvious the council arnt going to - Whay we need to do is club together and send Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardice

It wasn't long ago when they were ticketing North Road church members on a sunday morning while they were attending services - what we need is a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us what the policy is as its obvious the council arnt going to - Whay we need to do is club together and send Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardiceg10001

It wasn't long ago when they were ticketing North Road church members on a sunday morning while they were attending services - what we need is a whistleblower from the traffic wardens to tell us what the policy is as its obvious the council arnt going to - Whay we need to do is club together and send Bill Dixon and Ada Burns the three white feathers of cowardice

Score: 3

Border Terrier
7:41pm Mon 25 Aug 14

darloboss wrote…

sign me up for the DLA

Put my name down as well!

[quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote:
sign me up for the DLA[/p][/quote]Put my name down as well!Border Terrier

darloboss wrote…

sign me up for the DLA

Put my name down as well!

Score: 1

Border Terrier
7:43pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Teesflyer wrote…

There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.

"Strange" But very, very true!

[quote][p][bold]Teesflyer[/bold] wrote:
There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.[/p][/quote]"Strange" But very, very true!Border Terrier

Teesflyer wrote…

There is not a chance that Ada Burns and her mediocre colleagues could get anywhere near the remuneration they receive from the Local Authority if they were to attempt to gain employment in then real world. They would need to accept responsibility, accountability and performance management - all of which are clearly missing from their current "working" environment.

"Strange" But very, very true!

Score: 5

Border Terrier
7:48pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

"Is that you Ada"?

[quote][p][bold]Christine'[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .[/p][/quote]"Is that you Ada"?Border Terrier

Christine' wrote…

For goodness sake stop whining. Darlington traders need to stop whining and start being competitive why would I buy from Mr Metcalfe when I can buy the same plants from a: the market b: a supermarket ,even his flowers are cheaper elsewhere. Why not close one day during the week and open on a Sunday when people can park in the multi storey for free. Although I suspect this will make no difference to his business until he reduces his prices. As for parking there are still places you can park for free but what's wrong with saving on petrol and parking by using local transport or better still walk and get some exercise at the same time. Lastly if you don't like what the council is doing stand for the council yourself and see if you can make a difference , if you think you have the expertise .

"Is that you Ada"?

Score: 1

JJTOP2
11:46pm Mon 25 Aug 14

"Is that you Ada"?

Nobody starts this stoning until I blow the whistle?

"Is that you Ada"?
Nobody starts this stoning until I blow the whistle?JJTOP2

"Is that you Ada"?

Nobody starts this stoning until I blow the whistle?

Score: 1

Spy Boy
12:22am Tue 26 Aug 14

Who will rid us of this meddlesome cabinet? Those voters with good sense and long memories will. Come on folks. Give it a go. You have nothing to lose but your devious cabinet.

There must be a large number of disgruntled ex employees out there that know what's been going on. Hopefully, one will split. Whistle blowing is good.

Who will rid us of this meddlesome cabinet? Those voters with good sense and long memories will. Come on folks. Give it a go. You have nothing to lose but your devious cabinet.
There must be a large number of disgruntled ex employees out there that know what's been going on. Hopefully, one will split. Whistle blowing is good.Spy Boy

Who will rid us of this meddlesome cabinet? Those voters with good sense and long memories will. Come on folks. Give it a go. You have nothing to lose but your devious cabinet.

There must be a large number of disgruntled ex employees out there that know what's been going on. Hopefully, one will split. Whistle blowing is good.

Score: 6

g10001
3:53pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lets make good use of the wheelie bins - Bill in one And Ada in another and off to the tip with them (usual DBC tipping charges apply ! )

lets make good use of the wheelie bins - Bill in one And Ada in another and off to the tip with them (usual DBC tipping charges apply ! )g10001

lets make good use of the wheelie bins - Bill in one And Ada in another and off to the tip with them (usual DBC tipping charges apply ! )

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