"One common complaint that you have made (which seems not to have been addressed) is the "if you're so tolerant, tolerate my intolerance" argument."

This proves you have never read most of my posts just skimmed them.

Even Yama can tell you I am actually tolerant considering I am a WN.

I am only intolerant about Israel (once again I have to point out I am not anti-jewish, just anti-israel), Illegal Aliens, Pedophiles and other sexual predators, and a few other things along those lines.

I am not intolerant about the average jewis person, blacks, asians, legal immigrants or anything else along *those* lines.

Sorry, but your rebuttals don't quite fit with *my* beliefs. Try looking here for the kinds of people that you are trying to refute.

One common complaint that you have made (which seems not to have been addressed) is the "If you are intolerant of anothers opinion you are a bigot. That means if you are a bigot towards bigots, you are a hypocrite.".

It's a true paradox, not one of those crappy FC ones. The only way for tolerance to be maintained is to defend it from those who would do away with it, the intolerant. Where anyone puts the division between 'what I must tolerate' and 'what I must defend tolerance against' is a personal choice. Too often, any expression of disapproval by a 'tolerant' person and they're labelled a hypocrite; it's just a lazy, knee-jerk answer.

For the record, you are entitled (and welcome) to your opinions. I don't think I ever called you a Nazi. Oh, and I still think you are wrong.

Yama the Space Fish
in Sakura Subconscious Domain Summer

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 08:06 AM

Yes, he's tolerant for a WN. All that means is, if some white natioanlists were attacking somebody for being Jewish or Asian or African, he'd sit there idly and twiddle his thumbs instead of actually participating.

Tuoni

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 | 02:06 PM

Yes, he's tolerant for a WN. All that means is, if some white natioanlists were attacking somebody for being Jewish or Asian or African, he'd sit there idly and twiddle his thumbs instead of actually participating.

Yama, thank you for attempting to be nice to me, but you are still wrong with that.

I would stop them. I abhor violence.

French Canadian

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 04:33 AM

Forget about that parasite ED he's a mentally retarded/challenged "person". All he can do is to violently critisize my spelling, and i don't give a damn about it since im a french speaking canadian. If you don't believe in genetical superiority of the white race then i suggest you to take your luggages and go live A WEEK in Zimbabwe, Zambwa, Rwanda, Mexico, Haiti, Cuba, Brazil, Africa etc... you woudn't last a DAY. Enough to write a book, what am i saying an encyclopedia. Not Only "Anti-Racists" are extremely virulent and brutal they are also fiercely retarded.

Yama the Space Fish
in Sakura Subconscious Domain Summer

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 01:10 PM

And if you want to live in a monoethnic society, I suggest Somalia or North Korea.

David B. Member

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 05:01 PM

If you don't believe in genetical superiority of the white race [...] go live A WEEK in Zimbabwe, Zambwa, Rwanda, Mexico, Haiti, Cuba, Brazil, Africa etc... you woudn't last a DAY

Yet 'they' can live their entire lives there, AND can do the same over here. That pretty much would seal them having the greater fitness (if it were in any respect true).

Tuoni

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 05:58 PM

it's just a lazy, knee-jerk answer.

Wrong, it's a true answer. Why should intolerant people be tolerant if others are allowed to be intolerant?

Why should I as a WN be tolerant of you if you are intolerant of me.

In fact that makes me more tolerant of you because I *am* tolerant of your beliefs. I just don't share them.

David B.
in Reading, England.

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 | 06:22 AM

Now who's skimming?

Or do you have a specific argument as to why a tolerant society should not be able to defend that feature of tolerance against those who would do away with it?

Intolerance is defined as "Unwilling to tolerate differences in opinions, practices, or beliefs. Opposed to the inclusion or participation of those different from oneself."

Tolerate is defined as "To allow without prohibiting or opposing".

So you are not intolerant because you disagree with me, similarly I am not intolerant of you because I disagree with you. As I said in the same post you quoted, "you are entitled (and welcome) to your opinions", you really shouldn't have skimmed that bit as it shows your claim, "that makes me more tolerant of you because I *am* tolerant of your beliefs" was demonstrated to be false before you made it.

Why should intolerant people be tolerant if others are allowed to be intolerant?

If you were an intolerant person, then you'd have gone beyond holding an opinion, you would be "opposing the participation or inclusion" of whatever group you were intolerant of, hence you'd be seeking to undermine tolerance. Turn it around; if an intolerant person believes it's alright to be intolerant (after all, they themselves are, right?), what grounds do they have to criticize anyone else for being intolerant? It's hypocritical.

It's not the holding of contrary opinions that should not be tolerated (and yes, there are plenty of intolerant anti-racists too), it's the acting on them to the diminishment of the tolerance of society. It's not even an isolated case, any human liberty is faced with the problem that to protect itself, it can't extend itself to those who would destroy it. Having freedom of political expression does not mean allowing insurgence or terrorism, however politically motivated.

Mind you, I never accused you of being intolerant in the first place (unless you count the generic 'you' of my paraphrasal, which I corrected). I don't think you're intolerant, Tuoni, just biased, wrong, dishonest and uncivil. Oh, and now I can add hypocritical.

Oscar_Yeager
in Jew York

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 | 09:35 AM

Well anyways, I just read on one of the Prussian Blue fan sites that their 2nd CD is due out soon, and that it will contain much less content pertaining to White Nationalism, so you racially dead people should be happy.

I know that the girls are starting to get into Green Day, and other more mainstream bands.

Tuoni

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 | 03:36 PM

Mind you, I never accused you of being intolerant in the first place (unless you count the generic 'you' of my paraphrasal, which I corrected). I don't think you're intolerant, Tuoni, just biased, wrong, dishonest and uncivil. Oh, and now I can add hypocritical.

Hehe, I am actually beginning to like you.

I am biased, wrong is a matter of opinion which is subjective, I am exceedingly honest (ask any of your fellow anti-racialists that post on my blog) and very very civil.

The only time I am not-civil is when people are not being civil to me. Am I hypocritical? Sure, on some things, the same as everyone.

However, according to you anti-racialists, I am sitting on a lower moral ground. What is your excuse?

Yama the Space Fish
in Sakura Subconscious Domain Summer

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 | 06:37 PM

I think Prussian Blue's problem is that they're sucking too much. That sucking is getting to be a big problem. Don't talk. Just shut up and play the frigging tuba.

"Yet 'they' can live their entire lives there, AND can do the same over here. That pretty much would seal them having the greater fitness (if it were in any respect true)."

Ewww...actually little man, no. 'they', don't live their live, 'they' actually survive or starve to death. And 'they', survive in here. I was talking about ignorant, hypocrite, people like you David B., always defending thoses third worlders but not willing or not having the courage to live in africa misery. typical.

Look what's funny about you guys is no matter what, you will never admit being wrong. Hell, go live in Cuba, and starve to death.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 02:56 AM

"I think Prussian Blue's problem is that they're sucking too much. That sucking is getting to be a big problem. Don't talk. Just shut up and play the frigging tuba."

Funny how idiots low-lives like this 'person' loves to insult people on no basis to make themselves feel important. Your sucking beat them by a mile ahead.

Tuoni

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 03:53 AM

I think Prussian Blue's problem is that they're sucking too much. That sucking is getting to be a big problem. Don't talk. Just shut up and play the frigging tuba.

Actually, this insult is one of the most clever and unique I have ever seen.

What I find even more interesting is that, Yama, a 21 yo college student is still picking on children 8 years younger than him.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 03:54 AM

Guess what, the moderator erased my posts...he thinks you guys are too stupid to handle to truth. There's only one word for thoses kind of people and this kind of website.

Charybdis
in HellMember

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 03:59 AM

I've told you before French Canadian, that inflamatory posts will be removed. If you don't like it go elsewhere.

Tuoni
in FloridaMember

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 04:17 AM

Well anyways, I just read on one of the Prussian Blue fan sites that their 2nd CD is due out soon, and that it will contain much less content pertaining to White Nationalism, so you racially dead people should be happy.

I know that the girls are starting to get into Green Day, and other more mainstream bands.

Oscar, where did they say that? On the forum? (If so I must have missed that post) Once it get's back up I will look for it so I can make a blog entry about it. Let's see what my resident anti-racialists think about a more mainstream CD.

Tuoni
in FloridaMember

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 04:24 AM

I also want to point out to people here. If you have questions, concerns or just want to debate the issues in an unmoderated format, visit my blog. There is currently a nasty debate (mixed with flames, between both sides.

I tend to take a more neutral position there. I am biased towards the racialist side but on my blog I allow antis to say whatever they want just as I do WNs. If you decide to flame though keep it somewhat on topic. Trolling comments will be deleted.

David B. Member

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 06:55 AM

Hehe, I am actually beginning to like you.

Thanks (I think). Actually, I imagine we have a great deal in common, compared with which our differences are probably quite trivial. Mind you, I think the same thing about other races.

However, according to you anti-racialists, I am sitting on a lower moral ground. What is your excuse?

One thing experience has repeatedly convinced me of is that "no-one ever looks for the moral high-ground anywhere but beneath their own feet"[*]. Hence I suspect a priori any argument based on who has the moral highground. Doubly so when it's coming from me!

[*] The words are actually my own, but it makes a nice epigram, hence the quotes.

Oscar_Yeager

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 09:08 AM

Oscar, where did they say that? On the forum? (If so I must have missed that post) Once it get's back up I will look for it so I can make a blog entry about it. Let's see what my resident anti-racialists think about a more mainstream CD.

Tuoni, I saw it on that non-official Prussian Blue fan site, I don't have the link right now because I'm on someone else's PC.

I wasn't too happy about it if it's true, but I guess I'm being selfish.

Tuoni, maybe you can tell us, since you were there at Tampa, what were their new songs like?

I watched the vid put out by the NV, and I saw some songs that I didn't recognize, did they play lots of songs that didn't have WN lyrics?

I guess their show would probably be a good preview about what is to come.

Yama the Space Fish
in Sakura Subconscious Domain Summer

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 11:54 AM

You know, even if Prussian Blue's second CD isn't overtly racist, the money is still going to a racist cause, and the music quality will still be bad, so I don't recommend getting it.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 04:39 PM

You know, even if Prussian Blue's second CD isn't overtly racist, the money is still going to a racist cause, and the music quality will still be bad, so I don't recommend getting it."

Who gives a sh!t about your opinion ? and the music quality is excellent, well if youre not happy about little girls that can sing better than you, you can still go and buy MTV, pop and (c)Rap nasty crappy music.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 04:48 PM

"And if you want to live in a monoethnic society, I suggest Somalia or North Korea."

What a nasty loser, thanks i'd shure go in monoethnic ultra-rich creative, filled with blue eyed blonde people like in scandinavia, u.s. or so-called "racists" city. Or maybe you should choose multi-culti crime filled and ultra-poor degenerated holes like the bronx, cuba, brazil, africa, haiti, jamaica, etc...etc...enough to write a book.

Prussian blue are FASCIST BITCHES

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 05:25 PM

That's to terrifying to imagine.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 05:36 PM

Hey, anyone noticed that whites are the biggest, most virulent bashers of their own race ?

Also all the strongest crap "anti-racist" arguments comes only from whites ? funny...isn't.
I guess other races can't follow a conversation above 130 of iq. Ewwwww...

Tuoni

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 05:36 PM

Thanks (I think).

It was a compliment.

Tuoni

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 05:43 PM

Tuoni, I saw it on that non-official Prussian Blue fan site, I don't have the link right now because I'm on someone else's PC.

I am sure I can find it.

I wasn't too happy about it if it's true, but I guess I'm being selfish.

As I am an ex-anti/fencesitter I look at it from both sides.

Tuoni, maybe you can tell us, since you were there at Tampa, what were their new songs like?

There were a couple fast paced beauties. It is still basically folk but a little more rock.

I watched the vid put out by the NV, and I saw some songs that I didn't recognize, did they play lots of songs that didn't have WN lyrics?

The lyrics I don't know much about.

I guess their show would probably be a good preview about what is to come.

I was impressed.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 06:12 PM

Honestly i'm not an absolute fan of them, i'm more classical music oriented, althought i find Prussian Blue very talented and i love them. But, come on, i just can't stand the non-sense that people are sayng here.

French Canadian

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 06:18 PM

Okay, maybe not very talented but at least pretty good and way better than most of other commercial pop acts, you know who.

Tuoni

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 | 06:25 PM

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I want to point out that I have noticed the mods haven't deleted the but has deleted posts by that Candian guy.

For those of you who are wondering where Tuonela and his pals are, they're busy harassing another blog.

Tuoni

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 | 06:54 PM

When some woman that doesn't know Lynx and Lamb decides to post sickening crap she had best be aware defenders will follow.

Considering you are being ivestigated for hacking Prussian Blues Forum and Website, I wouldn't talk, Yama.

David B. Member

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 | 07:03 PM

Is this the way you run a site?

Sheesh Tuoni, it's only a derogatory remark! I'm sure a tolerant person such as yourself would allow such things even on their own blog, no?

Charybdis
in HellMember

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 | 08:11 PM

Thank you Tuoni. It can sometimes be sickening having to wade through all the hate in here every day, and I sometimes miss things.

Yama the Space Fish
in Sakura Subconscious Domain Summer

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 09:00 AM

Oh, he does allow derogatory remarks, they just have to be directed at Asians, Africans, or Jews.

Chuck
in Rhode IslandMember

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 09:49 AM

cant we all just get along????

lmao, seriously though, i am not "white", i am irish... white is a color, not a race.

white power??? ummm...how does an inanimate object attain much less use this power?

Charybdis
in HellMember

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 | 10:22 AM

In case any of you haven't grasped this concept I'll spell it out for you. This is a website dedicated to discussing hoaxes, not racism.

Prussian Blue looked to be a hoax initially, but sadly has been shown to be true. As such, this thread is out of place. Normally we're a bit lenient on non-hoax material, but I don't think that racial arguments are what we want to foster - there are plenty of places for that elsewhere. For this reason I have closed this thread to further comments. Yes, this means censorship. Feel free to hate me all you want.