This surprises you? The original punks used that word exactly because of it´s negative connotations. After all they were trying to be all provocative and troublesome. Whereas I can´t see the ratpack existing today being thought of as punk in any real meaning of the term. Oldfashioned and non-mainstream perhaps, but not punk.

I dunno, I think the rat pack were very punk. They were funny, and they were cool... but they had a lot of attitude and weren't afraid to get in your face and mix it up. The whole Vegas mentality back then (of course, back then Vegas was run by the mob...).

Atterton said:

This surprises you? The original punks used that word exactly because of it´s negative connotations. After all they were trying to be all provocative and troublesome. Whereas I can´t see the ratpack existing today being thought of as punk in any real meaning of the term. Oldfashioned and non-mainstream perhaps, but not punk.