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We beat India in the Champions Trophy final by 200 runs I am never gonna let this one go Also will tell them that Kohli does not guarantee a victory. Being Amir's bunny he rightfully doesn't want to play this one

Yaar, a batsman gets out to a particular bowler for 2-3 times and is called bunny of the bowler? Need to raise our bars.

I know we (Indians) are in a foreign forum and need to defend our players but how can anyone justify Kohli sitting out?? He is not injured else would not have been playing the test matches. With world cup only few months away, why would a captain of the team want to opt out?? Should he not be building the ODI team before the world cup??

Pandya, Rahul, Dhawan, Bumrah etc all have had similar workload as Kohli but they will still play. But our captain decided to opt out leaving the team on its own?

I dont care who wins between Ind or Pak but its a very bad preceedent set by an Indian captain. MSD captained this side for 10 years but never opted out of a series saying its insignificant.

If Kohli thinks he will pick and choose series, he can play as a batsman and handover the LOI captaincy to Rohit.

When did Kohli pick and choose series? If you want to blame anyone then blame your beloved IPL. Bhuvi and Bumrah got injuries there. Kohli too missed County stint because of that. He is not a machine. It's funny you are comparing his workload with a noob like Pandya here. Pandya too was rested for Zim series and Nidhas trophy. Who is he to get a rest here?

When did Kohli pick and choose series? If you want to blame anyone then blame your beloved IPL. Bhuvi and Bumrah got injuries there. Kohli too missed County stint because of that. He is not a machine. It's funny you are comparing his workload with a noob like Pandya here. Pandya too was rested for Zim series and Nidhas trophy. Who is he to get a rest here?

So basically since his marriage, he has only played SA tour, IPL, Eng tour. If its not pick and choose, what is??

Dhoni too used to miss series against Sri Lanka when he was the captain. Did you complain at that time? Now that his career is on the last stage he is trying his best to play every match. If any player that deserves any kind of rest in this team then its Kohli. Players like Pandya should try to play every match and improve themselves rather than taking a rest.

Good a captain with fresh mindset will lead the side. Kohli has lost odi series and looks like might have lost test series as well + playing too many matches. Rohit will come fresh and won't have loss in mind.

Yes even I agree that Kohli should have played this tournament... Probably should have taken it easy (resting in some matches like Afghanistan or/and underplaying himself by coming down the order). His presence especially as "captain" was needed to help build the team for WC... He could have definitely rested himself (and few others) during that back-to-back match!

Dhoni too used to miss series against Sri Lanka when he was the captain. Did you complain at that time? Now that his career is on the last stage he is trying his best to play every match. If any player that deserves any kind of rest in this team then its Kohli. Players like Pandya should try to play every match and improve themselves rather than taking a rest.

Dhoni did not miss a single series either for India or CSK in the first 5 years of his captaincy. I think the the first game he missed due to an injury was an ODI game in Aust 2012 (only 1 game) where Sehwag captained. But ofcourse, I dont expect you to know.

And I dont know who is this Jattmulla you are referring. Even if I am him, not much you can do anyway.

When did Kohli pick and choose series? If you want to blame anyone then blame your beloved IPL. Bhuvi and Bumrah got injuries there. Kohli too missed County stint because of that. He is not a machine. It's funny you are comparing his workload with a noob like Pandya here. Pandya too was rested for Zim series and Nidhas trophy. Who is he to get a rest here?

IPL is a blessing for Indian cricket. Don't get the IPL-phobic stance at all.

Did you read Pujara's interview with Saj on sky?

Saj: Throughout the years India has always produced great batsmen, but in the modern era, a number of very good pace bowlers are coming out of India, why do you think that is?

CP: I think the Indian Premier League has to be given credit for this. The IPL is producing a lot of very good pace bowlers. Apart from the IPL, I think there are a lot of young cricketers in India who want to be fast bowlers and perhaps that wasn't the case in the past.

Bare in mind this is come from a man who wouldn't stand a chance of gaining an IPL contract.

Disagree. This Asia cup won't add anything to Kohli's world cup preparations, but Kohli's absence does give us an opportunity to cement a backup. This also ensures a longer run for Rahul like people desired.

Good a captain with fresh mindset will lead the side. Kohli has lost odi series and looks like might have lost test series as well + playing too many matches. Rohit will come fresh and won't have loss in mind.

India/Rohit may still win the tournament, but Kohli should have been around because this is like preparing for World cup (round robin matches leading to super round to SF & finals and all these teams take part in World Cup as well!)

We have a couple of old-timers but it doesn't take much to beat teams like Pakistan and Bangladesh. That top 4 is still solid even without Kohli.

The only way you might have a chance against Pakistan is if all our pacers are injured and we have to open the bowling with Nawaz and Hafeez. Besides that, this is a complete mismatch. @Aman might end up creating a thread for Imam’s fastest 1000 runs soon

The only way you might have a chance against Pakistan is if all our pacers are injured and we have to open the bowling with Nawaz and Hafeez. Besides that, this is a complete mismatch. @Aman might end up creating a thread for Imam’s fastest 1000 runs soon

Let’s list your pacers against India who could not do anything. Imran, Akram, Waqar, Shoaib who could not win a single match in WCs. Do you think just because CT win, all current pacers are greater than them?

Let’s list your pacers against India who could not do anything. Imran, Akram, Waqar, Shoaib who could not win a single match in WCs. Do you think just because CT win, all current pacers are greater than them?

Muhammad Amir. Enough said. Your India A captain still has sleepless nights thanks to this lad

The only way you might have a chance against Pakistan is if all our pacers are injured and we have to open the bowling with Nawaz and Hafeez. Besides that, this is a complete mismatch. @Aman might end up creating a thread for Imam’s fastest 1000 runs soon

We will be playing on dead UAE tracks. Your trundlers won't be able to survive there like they did in English conditions. Besides we will have one of the fastest bowling unit in Bumrah, Khaleel and Pandya, not to mention the wrist spinners. Good luck to your batsmen facing them.

We will be playing on dead UAE tracks. Your trundlers won't be able to survive there like they did in English conditions. Besides we will have one of the fastest bowling unit in Bumrah, Khaleel and Pandya, not to mention the wrist spinners. Good luck to your batsmen facing them.

We will be playing on dead UAE tracks. Your trundlers won't be able to survive there like they did in English conditions. Besides we will have one of the fastest bowling unit in Bumrah, Khaleel and Pandya, not to mention the wrist spinners. Good luck to your batsmen facing them.

Its good to see you still think India will win even without Kohli.Thats some good positive attitude.

Dhoni did not miss a single series either for India or CSK in the first 5 years of his captaincy. I think the the first game he missed due to an injury was an ODI game in Aust 2012 (only 1 game) where Sehwag captained. But ofcourse, I dont expect you to know.

And I dont know who is this Jattmulla you are referring. Even if I am him, not much you can do anyway.

Lol where did this first 5 years of his captaincy thing come from now? He was rested in 2014 series against Sri Lanka but ofcourse I don't expect you to know that.

Guys it is a full indian sqaud, granted their missing Kohli, which is big shoes to fill, but india has the batting talent to step up their game, that wont be the issue, i think the bowlers, will be key for India if they are to win the Asia cup

Its not pakistan’s job to select india’s squad and if pakistan wins its no less of a win for our team. Our teams job is to beat whoever is in front of them. Goodluck pakistan and hopefully we can repeat with another tournament win. Only thing we will miss out is kohli getting out to amir for the third time.Pakistan Zindabad!

I assume Kohli has his reasons, or maybe BCCI have their reasons. This may be the response of the BCCI to the stupidity of the organizers in arranging games on 2 consecutive days. There is also the issue of mental tiredness, if not physical tiredness. Obviously Kohli is playing at a higher level than his teammates in the current series. To keep doing so he may need longer breaks.

India Pakistan games are rare and are eagerly looked forward to by many fans. Maybe Kohli doesn't attach the same importance to them, unless it is in a major tournament.

If BCCI feels that the Asia Cup is not an important tournament, they should have rested Bumrah and Bhuvi before Kohli. Also should have tried out youngsters like Shaw, Gill, Nagarkoti etc.

TBH even @Usman Chadda is saying that without Kohli this is Ind A team.

BTW you were saying the other day that India will never rest Kohli in a tournament they are suppose to play Pak multiple times. Looks like another one of those many incorrect predictions

I can see why others think this is still a strong Indian team, but frankly in my honest opinion this team should stand no chance this tournament. Indian LOI team is Kohli or nothing these days. Maybe Sharma can fire against the qualifier, but I don’t see India challenging either of Bangladesh or Pakistan with this batting line-up.

We will be playing on dead UAE tracks. Your trundlers won't be able to survive there like they did in English conditions. Besides we will have one of the fastest bowling unit in Bumrah, Khaleel and Pandya, not to mention the wrist spinners. Good luck to your batsmen facing them.

You are in for a surprise regarding the speeds of your ‘pace’ attack in the UAE. Pandya is not a fast bowler, please do not make this a joke thread by bringing that part timer into the discussion.

Nothing to do with Pakistan. Asia cup just isnt a premier tournament anymore.

Australia tour is far far more important than Asia cup and Bumrah and Pandya should be fit for that.

Bcci has shown what they think by resting their captain their best player the best batsman in the world and arguably one of the greatest batsman in ODIs.

India Australia tours used to exist long before the Asia cup. Thats not the reason. its more the proximity of the Asia Cup to other big series. Asia is cricket's epicenter. The Asia Cup is therefore of decent importance. India havent rested too many key players and thats because its still important especially in the year leading to a world cup.

India Australia tours used to exist long before the Asia cup. Thats not the reason. its more the proximity of the Asia Cup to other big series. Asia is cricket's epicenter. The Asia Cup is therefore of decent importance. India havent rested too many key players and thats because its still important especially in the year leading to a world cup.

Australia tour is far more important than playing no. 5 6 7 in a cup. If India wins the test series in Aus it will be considered a bigger achievement than any asia cup win.

India is cricket's epicenter not rest of Asia.

Half of India's test side doesnot play ODIs. So only Pandya and Kohli have played all matches from IPL to Eng tour and deserved rest. Our bowling attack is totally different except Bumrah.

Kind of sad India are resting their best player for Asia Cup. Never understood why India seem to place little importance on the asia cup. It's a tournament for best of asia. It's a bit like Euros in football. Surely a tournament win should mean more than an odd series win.

Think's it's partly to do with India's approach to the rivalry over recent years. India want to prioritize playing against the others of the big three and India-Pak relations have been poor. And while India do play with Sri Lanka, they haven't really developed that sort of rivalry.

It's kind of weird. India want to develop a rivalry with Aus and England, who always will have a deeper rivalry amongst themselves than anyone else. On the other hand it seems like Pak always have a rivalry with India whether India want to have a rivalry with them or not. Just an awkward mess really.

India are resting Kohli so that JUST IN CASE they lose,they have a reason to give. Plus, this might even reduce Mohammad Amirs potency and urge to bowl to his "Big match" potential...Like in some of those Sufi poems...Kohli was always his target...He bowls to meet Kohli on the pitch...Sharma, Raina, Dhawan all these jokers were mere cannon fodder. And oh btw, watchout for SL they are going to be the dark horses this time.

To my surprise, IND actually has sent a possible full strength team. Kohli is suffering for back spasm and it won't have been wise to force him playing in UAE at probably 40C. Apart from that, more or less they have sent their possible (or perceived, not sure ATR or Kartik or Thakur makes the first squad on merit) best squad. Sending Bumrah & Pandeya suggests that BCCI has given the tournament it's due respect. It'll be a good tournament for sure - without VK, IND actually isn't that ahead over other teams here.

Kind of sad India are resting their best player for Asia Cup. Never understood why India seem to place little importance on the asia cup. It's a tournament for best of asia. It's a bit like Euros in football. Surely a tournament win should mean more than an odd series win.

Think's it's partly to do with India's approach to the rivalry over recent years. India want to prioritize playing against the others of the big three and India-Pak relations have been poor. And while India do play with Sri Lanka, they haven't really developed that sort of rivalry.

It's kind of weird. India want to develop a rivalry with Aus and England, who always will have a deeper rivalry amongst themselves than anyone else. On the other hand it seems like Pak always have a rivalry with India whether India want to have a rivalry with them or not. Just an awkward mess really.

What makes you think India wants a rivalry? They have a balanced schedule who plays with each and every team in a timely manner, no matter how small they are. Case in point, we played 4 Test match series in WI. It's just that Asia cup is not considered a premiere series, to risk your best player.

India hasn't ever rated the Asia Cup for whatever reason. Or the Champions Trophy, though CT is a notch above the Asia Cup. I know this might sound rubbish to Pak posters who want to believe otherwise. But the truth is, I can't even remember who won the Asia Cup last, or the occasions we've won. I know through PP we've won it a lot. You tend to remember significant moments or innings from it and that's about it.

The easiest way to test this out is to see how many times Indians quote their Asia Cup or CT wins. You won't find many I think. It's mostly about the WC for us.

I don't think India is a one-man team, and we should play well even without Kohli. In fact, I think Rohit Sharma should take over LOI captaincy for good even with Kohli back.

All that said, every one of us Indians here, I guarantee you, will tune in to watch the Ind-Pak game, even if it's the only game from the tournament we watch.

Calcutta: The senior national selectors'-scripted "workload management" protocol for the 2019 World Cup has kicked in, with India captain Virat Kohli rested for the Asia Cup.

Had the Asia Cup been a low-key tournament like the Nidahas Trophy in Sri Lanka, towards the end of the 2017-2018 season, the decision wouldn't have evoked much discussion.

The September 15-28 Asia Cup, however, features Pakistan and, whether one likes it or not, India vs Pakistan games continue to mean just about everything on both sides of the border.

That being so, unless Virat has a major problem (thankfully, it's not so), he should have been heading to the UAE after England.

The last Test, at The Oval, ends on September 11 and India's first match, in Dubai, is against a qualifier on September 18.

Virat need not have played that game, but taken the field a day later, versus Pakistan.

Nobody disagrees with the principle of managing workload, but to start with the Asia Cup is rather hard to digest. Key players have, in the past, not been rested in series which really have been of no consequence.

It's unthinkable that Pakistan's selectors would have rested the No.1 player, who is also the captain, in a tournament where India's a participant.

Big question is why did the Board of Control for Cricket in India, which is 'hosting' the Asia Cup away from home, keep the itineraries so tight?

Somebody must answer.

"Sometimes, decisions are taken keeping the bigger picture in mind. The World Cup is only eight-nine months away, so workload becomes critical, especially for those who play all three formats," chief selector MSK Prasad told The Telegraph.

Speaking around an hour after he and his colleagues (except Devang Gandhi, who was on a conference call from Southampton) met in Mumbai on Saturday, Prasad added: "The decision to rest Virat, which was set rolling during/after the Nottingham Test, has been a collective one.

"We had a series of discussions and Virat was a part of them...

"Reality is that Virat has been playing almost non-stop, except for about a month from the latter part of May (after the IPL). He's absolutely drained and it is not fair to expect him to keep performing at such a high level...

"A call had to be made. Besides, we have a very important tour of Australia, from November. That's a priority."

Surely, Virat could have been rested in the two-Test series against the West Indies, from October 4... Prasad responded by informing the "workload" factor would come into play when the squads for the Tests, five ODIs and the three T20Is get selected.

Another selector accepted that Virat could have been rested for the two Tests, but he "wasn't a robot and cannot play like one."

Of course, Virat isn't a robot. But, maybe, it wouldn't be out of place to reproduce what he told this Reporter in Dhaka after a smashing 183 versus Pakistan in the 2012 Asia Cup.

The interview had been conducted by the poolside of the Pan Pacific Sonargaon before a gym session.

Here goes: "Obviously, it's different. India-Pakistan matches have always had their history. As kids also, we used to be keen for this huge game. So, that's always been on my mind, that this is a dream match for any cricketer playing for India or Pakistan...

"If you do well, it's going to be a totally different high. I experienced it in the last game (in Mirpur) and it was wonderful...

"Obviously, it was a high-pressure match and you do think about it before the game. Everyone watches, so that sort of comes across your mind and is hard to ignore."

Pretty revealing that from Virat, who one assumes would have relished the challenge of defeating Pakistan, especially after being upset in the 2017 Champions Trophy final.

Indeed, so passionate is Virat that one would expect him to even play on one leg - against Pakistan. That's the aura which has grown around him.

Virat has been a party to what is a massive call by Prasad and Co, but would there also be a "collective decision" with regard to "workload management" during IPL XII, which precedes the 2019 World Cup?