Please not the stinkin 24-105 only! (although one kit probably needs to be this since the 24-70 II kit would get to be $$)

I really hope they offer a second kit with the 24-70 II! That might be the only way any of us actually manage to afford the 24-70 II. If they body is coming in at a pricey $3500 and with the 24-70 II above the stratosphere they gotta give us some sort of a break to manage this.

Given estimated prices in UK 5dIII/X without grip. + 24-70II would be dearer than 1DX.

Interesting to consider that the D800 seems to be body only, I'd guess because Nikon acknowledge that the 24-120 isnt good enough to make use of the sensor.

That to me seems to be a potential advanatge to Canon since the 24-105 not only outshines the Nikon lens but also seems better suited to a lower resolution/higher ISO body. Price wise a 5D mk3 + 24-105 kit will likely come in a good deal cheaper than a new D800 + 24-70 bought seperately.

Given estimated prices in UK 5dIII/X without grip. + 24-70II would be dearer than 1DX.

It's true. That really may be an option but I would really like for Canon to give us a nice discount on an L lens. Currently the 24/105mm goes for around $1100 and in the 5D2 kit it works out to $800 - so I am needing that nice $300 discount so that I can put it towards the alleged 590EX that is hopefully coming out soon! (27/28 Feb, CR3)

Let's face it:If Canon can sell dozens of 24-70 Mark II to upgrade-willing people with sufficient funds, why would they give this lens away with the body people would also upgrade to? People will buy both lens and body anyway, at least those who can. The others have to settle with whatever fits their budget.

As a kind of entry-level full-frame kit I don't think this ideal package with the 24-70 Mark II as a kit lens will become a reality. This is why I voted for the 24-105mm to stay the kit lens. As a consequence Canon would not cannibalize their own sales.

I strongly recommend to imagine yourself being in Canon's position. They want to generate more revenue, not less.

Let's go through some example scenarios Canon Product Marketing may be contemplating:1. Someone owns a crop body plus EF-S lenses. This kind of customer is quite likely to purchase a 5D + 24-105mm kit, if wanting to upgrade to full-frame2. Someone owns a previous full-frame model and a 24-70 Mark I. This kind of customer may purchase either the new 5D body only or may even be contemplating to pick up the 24-105 as a kit lens, thinking it may be a nice addition for a slightly reduced price.3. Someone owns a previous 5D and 24-70 Mark I seeking to upgrade both to the newest model. In most cases I expect this kind of customer will eventually spend the money on both the new 5D body and the new 24-70 Mark II lens. There won't be any cheap option to upgrade, if you are in this group, because according to market analysis this will be exactly the group, where Canon expects people to have both a strong desire for upgrades and the necessary funds available.

Sorry in case I may have shattered someone's dreams for an idealized upgrade scenario. I dare say it is not likely to happen.

24-70 II is too much money for a kit. It doesn't make logical sense to have a kit that is sooo high end and expensive. Canon wants to make money, and if they don't think they are going to make more overall sales with kit then they aren't going to offer a kit. IMO they aren't going to make enough extra sales to justify the kit. At least not initially.

All my points would be invalid though if canon took $1200 or so off the price. Then you're talking about enough savings that people would buy the kit in droves.