Yes, I assumed. Misled by my own excitement... Anyway, I'm sure I'll be able to find some use of track versions as they are. I mean, I can still switch midi and audio tracks by mouse and record to new track in real time, so there is some fun to it...

f.e wrote:Oh god i didn't have time to check it does work for inserts too ! This is marvelous, i didn't expect so much.

No, it don't, or am i missing something ? What a great feature it could be, but probably causing loading times problems. Extanded to the whole mix console, it could be a dream for tryin different mix of a song.

Let's say you have a vocal track and you want to test this vocal with a little more compression and reverb, but you realize that the ssss sound is very prominent and you don't want to use a D-Esser. You can now create a version track and adjust the effects and cut the sss sounds manually in this new version.

You could do this before duplicating the first track, but now it's more intuitive, cluster free.regards

Let's say you have a vocal track and you want to test this vocal with a little more compression and reverb, but you realize that the ssss sound is very prominent and you don't want to use a D-Esser. You can now create a version track and adjust the effects and cut the sss sounds manually in this new version.

You could do this before duplicating the first track, but now it's more intuitive, cluster free.regards

It doesn't appear this can be done. Inserts and routing don't "version," nor does automation.

Let's say you have a vocal track and you want to test this vocal with a little more compression and reverb, but you realize that the ssss sound is very prominent and you don't want to use a D-Esser. You can now create a version track and adjust the effects and cut the sss sounds manually in this new version.

You could do this before duplicating the first track, but now it's more intuitive, cluster free.regards

It doesn't appear this can be done. Inserts and routing don't "version," nor does automation.

This was exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for, too.

Yes, it would have been great, but my main use for the versions is more "musical" than technical. In other words, I wouldn't use multiple versions for something radically different (for that I would still use different tracks), but for different musical ideas expressed within the very same context (i.e. same instrument, same FX, same levels etc.) I believe it's what this feature was designed for.

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Willie Green wrote: Instead of having to duplicate tracks and mute them, which could be problematic if you're using external inserts for example.

This is the first reason for track versions that makes sense to me - external fx. To keep the same fx routing, and only change "events" on the track. Kinda like a folder for ideas that stick to the same channel. But I fail to see how this differs from lanes. Maybe it is just another way to deal with lanes, while lanes worked more as comping tool, now track versions work as named fixed set of material that plays through track channel. Anyway, not at all what I hoped it to be.

papi61 wrote:Yes, it would have been great, but my main use for the versions is more "musical" than technical. In other words, I wouldn't use multiple versions for something radically different (for that I would still use different tracks), but for different musical ideas expressed within the very same context (i.e. same instrument, same FX, same levels etc.) I believe it's what this feature was designed for.

Yes, well said.

I guess my expression of "musical" has become inextricably tied to effects. I think this underscores my real concern with the missing feature set:

Is it simply work-in-progress, versionable automation is planned, or is the Steinberg product philosophy and target audience such that this feature is considered "done"?

To stick my neck out a little, as a so-called "EDM" artist (don't like that term, but will use it out of convenience to make a point), I'm slightly annoyed that a feature that is so painfully close to filling a common "EDM" problem -- versioning (an industry where different "versions" are common) -- falls short of its full potential. If it's simply work-in-progress, I'll rejoice.

Meanwhile, Steinberg has spend resources on a marketing-friendly "EDM Construction Kit" that I will certainly never use. I get it. I'm glad they're being savvy and I'm sure the Kits are great and many will love them. It would just be very worrisome to me if this is Steinberg's answer to useful, industrial-strength EDM-oriented tools, like: Studio One's batch track freezing and frozen-track arrangement features.

- Spoken with deep respect, as a 20+ year Cubase user (who has strayed, but always comes home)

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I watched the video explaining track lanes and was led to believe this is a new way of comping.

Maybe it would be best for someone to explain and point out the major differences between using The Audio Part Editor (lanes) and using track lanes?

I suppose the big difference is when comping in the Audio Part Editor effect processing is not possible other than what effects are on your original track. With track lanes, it's possible to apply different effects on different tracks taking in consideration of the limitations such as inserts, routing, automation?

Soul-Burn wrote:@Keith99 It works on *everything* the channel has, including inserts. It works on channels other than midi or audio, like chords track, tempo etc. Don't forget each version has its own lanes, which can be used for different takes of that version of the track.

Arghhh, you gave me false hopes, it's so disapointing. It does NOT work with inserts. At all.

Manual says : "Create, rename and manage parallel versions of the same track or tracks and use them to compare takes or create alternative versions of your recordings while keeping all track settings."

Soul-Burn wrote:@Keith99 It works on *everything* the channel has, including inserts. It works on channels other than midi or audio, like chords track, tempo etc. Don't forget each version has its own lanes, which can be used for different takes of that version of the track.

Arghhh, you gave me false hopes, it's so disapointing. It does NOT work with inserts. At all.

Manual says : "Create, rename and manage parallel versions of the same track or tracks and use them to compare takes or create alternative versions of your recordings while keeping all track settings."

Yes, it is misleading a bit, is it.... Seems to me like Steinberg tried to sell it as a bit more than it really is.

Let's say you have a vocal track and you want to test this vocal with a little more compression and reverb, but you realize that the ssss sound is very prominent and you don't want to use a D-Esser. You can now create a version track and adjust the effects and cut the sss sounds manually in this new version.

You could do this before duplicating the first track, but now it's more intuitive, cluster free.regards

It doesn't appear this can be done. Inserts and routing don't "version," nor does automation.

This was exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for, too.

not correct... for > DeEssing (!) you can use the "Volume Envelope Events" in Cubase - a great solution to adjust "sss" in a vocal track...drawing directly on the event with the pencil tool:

"The fastest Cubase operator I ever saw was someone who had the key commands completely memorized. He barely needed the mouse at all." (cm)"I went through a phase of working in houses and working in strange places - a castle in Ireland and things like that. But in the end it was bullsh*t because it sounds crap and you can't really hear what you're doing. In a proper control room it forces you into being realistic about what you're recording." (Trevor Horn)

(Btw, did I hear a "Walking Dead" reference in there? Can someone translate this? Lol)

Helge then goes on to suggest it is planned. Someone German-speaking, please correct me if my gist about all this was incorrect.

I goes on, from what I can gather, that the reason automation was not included was related to memory footprint.

If so, I would argue that with modern computers able to wield Gigabytes of cached audio and video files in RAM, some automation data should be relatively trivial. I hope they find a way to optimize and add the feature. It's not lost on me how "snappy / instantaneous" the version switching is (which is awesome), so I realize they don't want this part to be sluggish.

Centralmusic wrote:not correct... for > DeEssing (!) you can use the "Volume Envelope Events" in Cubase - a great solution to adjust "sss" in a vocal track...drawing directly on the event with the pencil tool:

Hi Centralmusic,

When I want to cut the sss manually, I prefer to open the event in the Sample Editor, select the sss and just use a macro I've created to decrease the gain in 3 dbs. It's a very fast way and you can even adjust an automatic pre and post croustade to turn the applied reduction a little more smooth.Anyway, just different approaches.regardsmario