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VR may still be young, with an install base still small compared to the world of traditional gaming hardware, but it can’t be ignored that mounting sales of the Playstation VR headset—effectively a very expensive accessory for the PS4—is adding up to considerable revenue. In an era where PS4 has a significant install base lead already, and with PSVR further sharpening the system’s competitive edge, pressure is mounting for Microsoft to figure out its Xbox VR strategy.

Moving the Needle

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Sony announced that PS4 sales (including PS4 and PS4 Pro) have reached 81.2 million units as of this month. Microsoft meanwhile hasn’t publicly revealed their Xbox One sales figures for some time, though recent estimates put it somewhere between 30 and 40 million units. Competitively, that’s a massive gap. And it isn’t helping Microsoft that, for gamers on the fence between the two consoles, PlayStation has a big fat check mark in the VR column while Xbox doesn’t.

It isn’t just the weight of VR support that could be furthering PlayStation’s edge, there’s revenue to be considered too. PlayStation VR’s install base might not be huge relative to PS4, but it’s an expensive device—often even more expensive than the console that powers it—and it adds up to something considerable.

This week Sony officially reported that the PSVR install base has reached 3 million units. The headset has been sold in various configurations since launch, with Sony lowering prices over time from the original $500 Launch Bundle to today’s Skyrim VR and Doom VFR bundles selling for $350 and $250 respectively.

Roughing out a $400 average selling price for the first 1.5 million units and a $300 average for the following 1.5 million, we can estimate that Sony has pulled in some $1.05 billion in PSVR hardware revenue.

Software revenue on top of that stands to add considerably more. As of this week, Sony says it’s sold 21.9 million PSVR titles. If we figure a conservative $15 for each title sold, that’s another $328.5 million in revenue generated by PSVR (some of which goes to Sony and some to developers).

That’s not a huge amount in comparison to revenue from the PS4 console itself, but it’s definitely a needle-moving figure—and a new revenue stream that Xbox isn’t tapping—that furthers Sony’s console lead. Pressure is mounting Microsoft to figure out how its VR plans pan out on Xbox.

A False Start for VR on Xbox One X

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Back when it was first introduced at E3 2016, Microsoft made a clear point to talk about how the Xbox One X (at the time called ‘Project Scorpio’) would “lead the industry into a future in which true 4K gaming and high-fidelity VR are the standard, not an exception.” It was even announced that Fallout 4VR (released in 2017 for PC VR headsets) would be coming to the system.

The announcement and then retraction of VR as a prominent feature on the Xbox One X is particularly odd, especially as Microsoft executed an impressive rollout of their ‘Windows Mixed Reality’ VR platform on the PC side; late 2017 saw the launch of Windows VR headsets from a slew of PC hardware vendors, and a big update to Windows 10 which baked VR directly into the operating system.

With the Xbox One X purportedly running Windows 10 underneath the hood, and Microsoft continuing to push their ‘Universal Windows Platform’ (which encourages developers to build apps which are cross-compatible with any Windows 10 device), the writing is on the wall for Xbox One X, or perhaps its successor, to get roped into Microsoft’s Mixed Reality platform at some point. The big question is: when?

But if Microsoft is planning on waiting “a few years” for wireless tech before rolling out a VR offering on Xbox, they could be handing away a couple billion dollars in extra revenue to a competitor which already has a sizable lead.

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I have never spent so much money on games as I do on VR. To me this is the best thing ever happened to gaming. Im 42 and been gaming since got my first Atari back in 86 :)

Rob H

This is a very good point that I hadn’t really thought of before; I too have spent far more on games in the past year of owning a vive than i have done in previous years. Would be interesting from at least an industry point of view to see the average annual spend on video games of those with a VR headset and those without.

Gonzalo Novoa

Same here. By the way, quality on psvr is much better than most people think. I have both psvr and Oculus and oculus is obviously better but psvr is very good. RE7 and Farpoint, for instance, are two of the best vr games I’ve played so far.

XboxRules

No, real VR is only on PC. That’s why the PC gets full games and not a crappy race that consists of only 2 cars (pathetic).

Tommy

Quit trolling, there are plenty of full games on PSVR.
Polyphony got overzealous with GT’s graphics. That is why it won’t do more cars than that. Way to use one game to summarize the 150+ games.

XboxRules

No there isn’t, kiddo. I can play iRacing with better graphics and over 30 cars on track in VR so go make up some new excuses, kiddo. That oriental console’s VR doesn’t even have higher resolution than the ancient Oculus DK2 which wasn’t even a final product. Get educated.

Tommy

Well, you are entitled to your opinion but I think your going to have a hard time finding someone to agree with you.
I have both PSVR and Rift CV1. They all have pros and cons but they really aren’t that far apart.
I’m not sure why I’m even continuing this conversation with you as I believe it is falling on deaf ears.
Anyways, have fun with your trolling.
Cheers!

XboxRules

timmy I’m not a desperate little snowflake that worries about what somebody else agrees with like you are, soy boy.

My 8K VR HMD is MILES APART from that oriental console trash with resolution of a phone from 6 years ago. Continue your troll, kiddo. Enjoy looking at your games through your SDE.

Tommy

Sorry, you lose

XboxRules

timmy Don’t be sorry, just don’t post. Powerless little queers like you have no authority to decide who wins, you can only lose.

Tommy

Shhhh, quit talking, little boy

XboxRules

timmy timmy Don’t be sorry, just stop posting. You’re too powerless to have the authority to decide who wins, all you do is lose. Are you going to repeat yourself again?

Tommy

Lol, you wouldn’t stand a chance out from behind that keyboard. I would completely make you my little bitch.

Ok, farewell. You have bored me long enough

XboxRules

timmy, I’m not behind my keyboard, I’m in front of it. Dumb fuck. You couldn’t make a female puppy your bitch, kiddo. I’m not in front of my keyboard many times daily and you haven’t done jack shit.

Mike Taylor

When people use the phrase “behind a keyboard” they mean the keyboard is being used defectively. As in hiding behind it anonymously saying all the ‘brave’ shit they’d never say to someone’s face lest it be punched. You are finding this confusing because your grasp of English literacy is limited to offensive nonsensical terms such as weaboo, soyboy, antifa, faggot and queer. Ironically, you keep telling people to get educated. It’s both sad and hilarious. Please grow up or go away.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You must be a king sized retard, because everyone knows keyboards are used to communicate text and inputs to a computer. I’ll say it to your face, think I’m worried about you attempting a punch? Don’t kid yourself, I’m not. I enjoy that sort of thing. Never once did I claim I was confused about anything, you illiterate fuck. If you find those terms I used nonsensical then you should have stayed in school or asked a nearby adult.
Please get educated.

Mike Taylor

I really don’t need to say anymore as you have clearly demonstrated your inability to parse sentences or even understand simple metaphors
You enjoy being punched? Fucking weirdo.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You really haven’t said anything thus far, anyways.
You aren’t even capable of comprehending simple statements that are in plain English. You are pretty illiterate as well, dumb fuck. If you could only comprehend what I actually post you’s have known I never said I enjoy being punched. Go back and have a re-read of what I actually said and lets see you many attempts it takes you to understand it, kiddo. Get educated.

mike gaylor Still having trouble comprehending what I actually posted so you’re trying to change the subject in a failed attempt at playing some dodge ball? Charlie didn’t have a diary, are you ever right about anything? Anything at all?
XBOX WON X, jump in!

AndyP

this isn’t the place for purile, racist, homophobic comments as most people here are highly educated and experienced. Suggest you find another place to spew your bile. Would you like to meet me in person (I’m a 6ft 2, 16 stone Scouser) and try and talk to me like that?

XboxRules

andyp This isn’t the place for idiotic comments, or powerless fucks failing at telling others where they can post. Sure, I’ll meet you in person anytime. You only weigh 224lbs that’s breakfast and I made a living doing that sort of thing. I’m in Vancouver, when will you be here?

AndyP

As it happens I’m visiting an old friend in October. Look forward to seeing you there bell end.

XboxRules

andyp I’ll be here, lets see how you make out on that threat, kiddo.

AndyP

You can make us breakfast.

XboxRules

andyp Don’t back out now, I accepted your threat.

AndyP

I know you’re deluded but I didn’t. I’m in visiting Vancouver in October (from Liverpool). Sorry you don’t appear to understand sarcasm (about you serving breakfast for a living, ffs).

XboxRules

andyp Don’t be sorry, just stop failing at sarcasm. I’ll be here when you get here. Lets see how you make out backing up that threat, kiddo. Can’t wait.

AndyP

We invented sarcasm.

XboxRules

YOU didn’t invent jack shit.

AndyP

Wrong yet again.

XboxRules

Yet, no proof. Just fuck off until you can make good on your threat, pansy,

AndyP

‘Proof’, how ironic (Xbox VR proof LOL)

XboxRules

The game in development is proof, idiot. Now make good on your threat, pansy.

Development of a AAA VR game, retard. I’ll do what I want, not what some powerless queer who is too scared to make good on his threats wants me to do. So come make good on your little threat, I’m so intimidated by your 224lbs oh no!

AndyP

If you can’t wait your welcome to come to Liverpool in the mean time, though you won’t be welcome or last two minutes if you try to speak to Scousers as you’ve been trolling people here.

XboxRules

A so called phd who doesn’t know YOU’RE from YOUR, what matchbook cover did you find that school on? I have no reason to ever go to liverpool, my ancestors left the UK a couple hundred years ago for good reason. You realise your threats don’t intimidate in the least, right? Those who talk tough and threaten like you are always the ones you worry about the least. See you soon!

AndyP

A Redbrick, Russell group University. Grammar, particularly via smartphone etc typing, is not a measure of intelligence. Only people of limited intelligence think it is. Einstein and Churchill, for example, were dyslexics so would have made frequent grammatical errors.

XboxRules

Your excuses are shameful, retard. You don’t even know YOUR from YOU’RE. You’re an idiot who claims to have a phd. If you do I’m sure it’s in gender studies where the bar is set so low only retards qualify for that class. I’ve never said anything good about churchill, ever. Einstein made plenty of mistakes, such as claiming nothing can go faster than the speed of light.

Provide proof of your threat, twig arm. Bring your skinny little arms over and show me what you plan to do with them, kiddo. Otherwise, it’s just the same old boring shit. Now go look up quantum entanglement.

AndyP

And not a threat. I mean precisely what I say.

XboxRules

We’ll see how you make out on that threat, kiddo.

AndyP

How do you like it, Troll?

XboxRules

How do I like what, troll? Come make good on your threat, you fucking pansy.

AndyP

Do I have to explain everything to you? As you would say, in your barely literate fashion – ‘educate yourself’

AndyP

Oh God no – he called me a flower! Gobshite.

XboxRules

No such thing as god, you gullible fuck. Make good on your threat, pansy.

AndyP

That’s unintelligible, and you’re hilarious though not in a good way. Shitehawk.

XboxRules

You must have a shit IQ score if you can’t comprehend what I said. Chickenshit, come make good on your threat, you little pansy. Maybe your fake god can help you muster up some courage.

AndyP

And a PhD dickhead.

XboxRules

A phd in cowardice, maybe. Certainly not in cosmology. Going to make good on your scary threat, kiddo? Ooh, that 224lbs has me quaking! They should have sent you to Iraq to quell the muslim horde, just the shadow of that 224lb frame cast upon the desert sands would have them firing up their carpets to escape.

1080p garbage. If that skinny arm is yours, I’d be careful about who you threaten on here, kiddo.

AndyP

I took the picture. The owner of that ‘skinny arm’ (a bad angle) would rip your arms clean out of your sockets. I’d be careful who you are insulting.

XboxRules

Yeah, no, not very fucking likely. By the way, I can curl your entire bodyweight just FYI. Like I said I used to make a living doing that sort of thing.

AndyP

Yes, you can ‘curl one out’ (shit), which is what you’ve been doing all over the internet.

XboxRules

Listen twig arm, just back your sorry threat. Whatever you have to say is irrelevant until you make good on that threat. I’m so scared of your 224lbs, can you tell? When you come to make good on your threat (as if) are you going to bring a weigh scale and stand on it so we can all ooh and ahh?

Nice grammar retard. How about you send some proof of your very scary threat instead? That 224lbs just has me pissing myself in fear. You must be the biggest most intimidating guy on the whole network, oh my 224lbs. Who could ever be so big as that? You must be an anomaly of nature. We should bow down, wow, 224lbs. So scary!

AndyP

I’ve published in high impact journals. Your just saying the same dull shit.

XboxRules

Only high impact was in your rectum. Bring on that 224lbs you fucking light weight, I’m so scared!

AndyP

Still spouting the same old shit. Either attend some classes on being a better human being, or on becoming a more entertaining troll.

XboxRules

Better start lifting some weights mr 224lbs, that’s a pretty scrawny arm you sent in your photo. Might be tough to make good on your threat with that pipe cleaner.

But nobody cares what you say. You say all kinds of things that you never back up, like your scary threat. Make good on it, kiddo. You’re losing face by the day. Oh no, you weigh 224lbs, how scary, I’m so terrified. Whatever will I do?

AndyP

I’m an aetheist. Shows what a dumb shit you are that you’ve assumed otherwise. Go back and check, ignoramus.

XboxRules

Your post said otherwise. Make good on your threat instead of just posting. Bring your 224lbs that you thought (for some odd reason) would scare me. You probably can’t even bench your own body weight, kiddo.

AndyP

‘oh my God’. They do have expressions in Canada.

XboxRules

I don’t call out to a god, I’m not as gullible as you. Going to make good on your threat? Going to show me what your scary 224lbs can do? You’re pathetic.

AndyP

You vote up your own comments – ha ha ha. That just says it all. Pathetic fanboy piece of shit.

XboxRules

pathetic chickenshit, all mouth and no jam. You going to save face and make good on your threat or just sit there typing? I’m here whenever you get the courage, kiddo.

AndyP

Some ‘Jam’ for you I my latest post. Though I missed an object – the book The Idea of Justice (you probably won’t understand but you’re experiencing some of that; more to come).

XboxRules

You’re too pathetic to back your threats, how shocking.

AndyP

I’ll see you in Vancouver. You’ve proved nothing about anything. Pathetic.

XboxRules

I fucking can’t wait, faggot.

Gato Satanista

You talk like a angry teenage. Lol

VRgameDevGirl

I agree. I own vive and rift, played Psvr at a friends house and an contemplating on getting one now. Mostly for RE7 but there r a lot of games that look good.

XboxRules

Get an 8K wireless HMD instead.

VRgameDevGirl

I will when graphics cards and games support full 8k VR without running 2 1080’s…..

XboxRules

I left nvidia’s low image quality a long time ago and never looked back.

DirkaDirk

I want to try the psvr too but only have the PS4. Yes some games do run better on PS4 pro (clearer text, smoother gameplay) but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take the plunge. There are good experiences now to try, who knows what it’ll be like in a few years, why wait. I plan on getting psvr now for my PS4 and if I enjoy the experience I’ll upgrade to the pro and just sell my PS4.

Justin FlowerPristine

yes one the best games to show that off is free ps4 plus games in November, a true example of what PSVR is capable of (bound) hands down one of the best VR games available very clear, and smooth

Fear Monkey

Same here, I buy more VR games on PSVR than regular ps4 titles . I have never tried a Vive, but the PSVR is great, and has exclusive titles that are very good. Im waiting to get VR on PC when I upgrade my PC, as its a bit old now but still capable for regular games at 1440p.

XboxRules

Even an old PC is more powerful than that foreign console and its low res 1080p HMD.

namekuseijin

that foreign console is more powerful than your xbox, bozo

XboxRules

Hahahaha, you STUPID fuck. I have an XBOX WON X which murders that shit foreign console, kiddo. Ever read a spec sheet in your miserable life?

J.C.

cool. Maybe I’ll get one to play all the awesome…exclusives….the Xbox….erm….huh.

My Xbone has turned grey from dust. Meanwhile, I’m having a blast with the exclusives on the PS4. Your blind hatred for systems is just keeping you from playing good games, nothing more.

XboxRules

jc Why the fuck would I possibly care what you play? I play good games every day on my XBOX WON X and PC, you dumb fuck. I don’t give a fuck about that oriental console with no good exclusives, shit controller, shit network and fruitcake anime infested software lineup. I’m a WESTERN GAMER.

Gato Satanista

This brings me memories from SNES x genesis times. Angry kids fighting about who has the better toy. 30 years in the future and we still have stupid teenagers bragging about games. Well I really hope that you are a teenage boy. If you have 30 or more, it’s even more sad. It makes you look a lot more stupid and immature.

Mike Childs

Anyone that wasn’t a fat teenager would just buy every system. He said above that a 225 lb guy was breakfast to him, so I’m guessing he needs a hoist just to get out of bed and a scooter to get around his Wal-Mart.

XboxRules

mike gropes childs I’m guessing you need a job so you can shop somewhere other than walmart, kiddo.

XboxRules

nintendo never invented or innovated anything and anyone born before 1980 knows that. Nice grammar fail, kiddo. Get educated.

Des Dearman

I’m 42, in many years I’ve not spent so much on games as I do now in VR. I consider it to be the best thing to happen to gaming, beyond the original online rollouts of quake and the like.
I thank to the stars every time I reflect on how great the vive experience is….
My Atari fix started in 83 though:)

Jason Mercieca

Same here, started gamming even slightly before the commodore 64 era, vr is just so different, so immersive and with the vive roomscale well it makes it complete, interactions with the game itself its a big WoW, i tried vive once with just space pirate trainer and i could not believe the great experience i had, dogging lasers, aiming physically, well we all know now, its the most immersive way to play and brings tons of more enjoyment than the good flat old tv gamming, only game i now play in tv/monitor is bf1/bf4, and thats because its not in vr, when it is bye bye monitor/tv.
And yes i have purchased at least x4 more in vr than i would for monitor in any given time line.
Now for me to buy a non vr game it must be extremely good like bf1..
VR is the best way to play a game, simply cause it puts u inside the game :), no looking more to flat screen trying to imitate real 3d and vr :) best money i ever spended

Mike Childs

I’m not sure what it is with the age, but I’m 42 as well and spend so much more time gaming now with VR (HTC Vive Pro mainly, Oculus just collects dust, and PSVR I use for Resident Evil).

My favorites are the bow-and-arrow shooters, like In Death and Elven Assassin. I’m actually dealing with some tennis elbow type issues now due to the repetitive bow-and-arrow shooting. So maybe VR and old(ish) age don’t mix.

Zachary Scott Dickerson

Wow, that is EXACTLY the same as myself, older gamer, spending way more on gaming than ever before thanks the VR (VIVE). It has renewed my interest in all things gaming and I can’t look back.

Massimo Depero

Me too

MeowMito

Me too! VR made me go back into gaming.

ToreSon

Me too, love it!

ymo1965

Ditto. Normal 2D games are pretty much junk to me now. Especially with all the rubbish Steam has atm. VR is a blessing and a curse lol

Gato Satanista

VR has to much junk too. Yesterday I was having a hard time to find a new arcade shooter to buy on steam. There’s a lot of cheap wave shooters but very few options for a good action shooter. I was searching for something like Space Pirate Trainer (a wave shooter, I know. But it is a polished one) An arcade shooter like SPT but with more enemies, stages and content…

ymo1965

It’s better than it was at the start though. I personally got sick of wave shooters real quick. I prefer things with more depth than a puddle lol. Role playing games or adventure type things are more my thing. Horses for courses.

Bamux

Try Blasters of the Universe.

care package

I started with the DK2 and said I’d never play 2D gaming again. Now 2D is all I play lol. The thrill of VR is completely gone for me :(

Brant S

Same here 49 yo and have 90% of PSVR Games x2 (Wife too) More games bought in last 6 months than I would normally have in 2 to 3 years. And 60+ More coming by end of year! Opens wallet…

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timmy Did you just link to ign? As if I’d click an ign link. They can’t even write their own reviews, they steal them from joe blow youtubers. You patronise that trash site with clicks, I have more dignity than that.

timmy I don’t use google, I use Bing. Bing doesn’t leave out 80% of the torrents in its searches like NSA ran google does. Educate yourself. Fool.

Tommy

Yeah, it sucks when a simple Google search makes you look like a raving moron in front of your peers….kiddo

AtmosContagion

If you have a Rift/Vive the PSVR honestly doesn’t bring anything worthwhile other than a couple of exclusive games (most of which are timed).

The motion controllers aren’t very good in comparison and you don’t have 360 tracking like on pc.

As far as the games go, they play well enough and it’s a good experience overall if you don’t have a Rift/Vive.

VR games are definitely an entirely different beast from your standard flat games.

Evgeni Zharsky

I don’t agree, moving forward I think PSVR is a lot more committed to VR development, especially AAA titles than either Oculus or Vive, no question.

Eddie Barsh

Agreed. Resident Evil 7 is iconic to VR. RE7 is kinda like VRs version of Mario or Sonic in terms of impact and the way it changed our perceptions of gaming and then way it influences future titles

AtmosContagion

Resident Evil is just iconic in general, but not necessarily to VR. It’s a big name franchise, but it didn’t really bring anything new to VR other than that big name.

It’s a fun game though.

Eddie Barsh

I somewhat disagree w that in the sense that it was the first Major title on a. VR headset at the console level. It is constantly cited as one of the beat if not thee best VR game at the console level and it was recently revealed that Resident Evil 7 DOUBLED the amount of time users spent playing VR. I feel that it opened the gateways to console VR for users who have never tried VR before and were skeptical about it. In my private time I’m basically promoting PSVR (although I’m an xbox guy) and I always put RE7 on for ppl and I’ve flipped a couple dozen ppl after letting them play RE7 on PSVR. this includes non gamers, old ppl, kids, women, stubborn gamers who only want to play on an outdated form of gaming on a TV I’ve flipped all kinds of ppl to VR because of the GREATNESS of RE7.. IMO years from now I think we will look back on RE7 and also games like Lone Echo and see the influence they had on opening ppls minds up about VR

namekuseijin

Skyrim VR with motion controls is way better a VR experience than just playing regular button-mashing RE7 in VR

Graham

I don’t know about you but I find some pc vr supporters can be a little condescending when it comes to psvr. ;-)

RE7 was a huge step forward – one of the biggest / first genuine triple AAA vr experiences that included the whole game in VR. That was a point widely agreed across all these vr sites. Think it was a bit more than just a “fun game”!!

I have to say though that I am very much looking forward to expanding into pc vr as well next year and trying the likes of robo recall. Just saving the pennies….

AtmosContagion

That’s actually not very true. I don’t know about you, but I find a lot of PSVR users are out of touch when it comes to what’s out there for VR.

Oculus has already put quite a bit of money into funding VR game development (somewhere around 500 million if I remember correctly). They actually paid almost 10 million for a game from Epic games made purely for VR and then gave it away to Rift users for free! (Other headsets still have to purchase it). 4a games (Metro: Last Light) also recently released a game for Oculus.

Respawn entertainment (Titanfall) was also recently announced to be working on a game due for release in 2019 on Oculus Home.

They are also paying Unreal engines licensing fees for any devs building a game that releases on the Oculus Home storefront.

Lone Echo, alongside it’s multi-player counterpart Echo Arena, released on Oculus Home has been noted as one of the best VR games of the year by a large part of the VR community.

While PSVR is getting a timed exclusive with Skyrim VR, PC is getting Fallout 4 VR. Every platform seems to be getting Doom VFR (except Xbox lol, cause they don’t have an hmd still).

There is a lot going on with the PC side of VR and support is stronger than ever for VR in general, which is fantastic.

namekuseijin

I envy some Oculus titles and I’m sure Oculus users would want to play some psvr experiences, but in the end, less exclusives should be needed for this market to grow healthy

matthew de la hunty

Lots more content on ps4. And if you buy the disks you can sell them on at the end.

AtmosContagion

There is actually lots more content for PC VR. Many of the games on PSVR are actually ported from PC.

Most “exclusive” games being released for PSVR already have a VR counterpart on PC that are as good, if not better.

Most of the “big” names are just timed exclusives too.

Also, only some of the VR games on PSVR have physical disc releases, usually only the bigger names and first party games, but if you are limiting yourself to purely physical discs, you’re actually missing out on a ton of content.

Bitekr

PSVR is cheap and extra easy to set up. Most people do not want to spend a lot of money for it and do not have the time to set it up on PC. That is why consoles are selling better than PCs for games and PSVR sales better than PCVR. PSVR is for masses and PCVR is for enthusiasts

XboxRules

Liar there are BILLIONS of PC’s and you’d need to add ALL the different brand VR HMD’s together to find the total sales of VR HMD’s on PC.

Gary

I think right now PSVR is still too held back by PS4, a relatively weak system which Sony is using to test the waters. Ambitious projects such as Fallout 4 can’t be ported due to the spec limitations. However now that Sony knows a steady growing market has been carved, I’m sure with the PS5 there will be a little more focus on VR. Exciting times ahead

The OG-PS4 does just fine with VR. Anyone who tells you differently hasn’t actually tried it.

XboxRules

Wrong, real VR is only on PC as of now. Wait until XBOX ONE X gets it.

AndyP

Talking as a Rift, 1080, 8700K owner with access also to PSVR – they’re different and PC is higher quality yes, but the PSVR is still an amazing experience. Have you played Resident Evil on PSVR?

XboxRules

I have a Rift, RE7 lowered the graphics for the oriental console. I play RE7 on my XBOX WON X with MUCH better graphics. I wouldn’t spend a dime on a 1080p VR HMD. My DK2 from many YEARS ago was 1080p and 1080p is nowhere near good enough.

AndyP

Just play Resident Evil on the PSVR before you reach a conclusion.

XboxRules

andyp, Yeah right, as if I’m going backwards to 1080p low res VR to play a game with LOWERED graphics. I’d rather play the 4K XBOX WON X version on my 120″ screen. I bought the Oculus DK2 for $350 way, way back when it was new and it was 1080p there’s no excuse for 1080p HMD’s today. Even my 1.5 year old phone has a 3K screen.

AndyP

Perhaps you misunderstood me, it wasn’t clear, apologies if so. I was referring to an over clocked 1080 GTX, an i7 8700K CPU (+ enthusiast mobo, 32Gb high speed RAM, Samsung SSD, stripped down OS, and TEC & water cooling for the OC). So was making a comparison with my PC and Rift with very few graphics limitations in current VR titles. But Res on the PSVR is still an amazing exerience. Speaking as a high-end graphics enthusiast since the Voodoo 3D FX, gaming isn’t just about graphics (and a massive Res fan since Res 1, and someone who has owned all makes of console, + many Intel and AMD CPUs etc). I’ve never been a fan boy, I just buy the best hardware AND experience, irrespective of the manufacturer and their origin (wondering wtf the latter has to do with anything?)

XboxRules

Perhaps you misunderstood me when I pointed out that I have a Rift as well as an 8K VR HMD and that RE7 had to LOWER the graphic specs just to run on the shitty low res 1080p wannabe VR of the oriental console. Save posting system specs for the sig portion of a nerd board, maybe they’ll care there. I don’t even bother listing system specs because why should anyone believe us when Steam stats show that less than 10% of PC’s registered on Steam are even capable of 4K gaming. So there’s a 90+% chance you’re lying. So you were only into high end graphics since the Diamond Monster 3D card with Voodoo 3D chipset? Well even BEFORE I had that card I had a Diamond Edge 3D card with the very first nvidia chip, the nv1 and then I had a Stealth 3D and then I had the Diamond Monster 3D then the Voodoo 2 and then the TNT 2 Ultra and then the Radeon All In Wonder etc. Those were just my 3D chipset PC’s. I had PC’s BEFORE that too. I had three Commodore Amigas, I had a Commodore 64, I had an Apple II+ and BEFORE those I had a few consoles. I just buy the best experience and hardware and right now due to rampant cheating on PC that best experience is found on XBOX WON X.

VRgameDevGirl

Have u played RE7 on PSVR??? I did and it looks amazing. Just as good as VIVE/Rift imo and I have GTX 1080. I am pleasantly surprised at the image quality.

XboxRules

1080p is a joke and SDE city. I’ll stick with my 8K HMD. I’ll stick to RE7 in 4K on my XBOX WON X on my 120″ screen over a lowered graphics version through SDE.

Alexisms

Clearly the guy hasn’t and his user name rather gives away his bias. I wouldn’t bother engaging or taking any of his opinions seriously. I mean calling the ps4 the “oriental console”??

XboxRules

autisms Are you triggered when I call it the oriental console? I guess I haven’t got paid my fees for marketing rights yet. You know that oriental console PAYS OFF to get marketing rights don’t you?

Sandy Wich

Nobody has on PC i’ll tell you that :'(

Fuck you Crapcom you bastards >:|

Sandy Wich

Xbox One X will not be getting VR, Microsoft has confirmed that.

TBH They’ve all but confirmed they don’t care about VR in general.

XboxRules

XBOX WON X is getting VR. MS will be doing it for wireless HMD’s and I already know a VR game in development.

ApocalypseTC

I have both HTC Vive, with a decent PC (Geforce 1070, Intel I7 proc, 16 Gb RAM), and a normal PS4, with PSVR. The experience is simply different with the PSVR, not noticeably worse. The exclusives sold me on PSVR, and flying in a virtual X-wing made me buy a game I already owned on X-Box. The PC loads a little faster, but for the most part, I could pick up games for whichever is cheaper and not feel cheated.

AndyP

I’m a fan of both. But you’re games (and OS) should load a lot faster on PC. Do you have a decent SSD?

ApocalypseTC

I actually load from an external drive for most of my applications. I get a LOT of stuff, experiment with it, put it down and forget it lol. I use a TON of HDD space for that use type. If I found something I really liked though I’m sure I could make space on my NVMe stick.

Kei Loper

haha, nice to see so many of us with a few years on us ;)

I’m 37 now going on 38, and I also started way back in the 80’s with an Atari (85 for me). I’ve spent a lot of loot on games prior to VR, but I’ve never spent anywhere near as quickly as I have when I found out that VR is really here now compared to back in the day. It’s such an exciting time to me!!!

I’ve used both the Vive and Rift (bought the Rift over the Vive after trying both, but would happily own either), I haven’t tried the PSVR, but my brother in law got one about a month or two ago so I can try it whenever…just been too lazy haha. He does enjoy it though, but uses it less than I use the Rift, but I think that’s a pretty natural thing.

As an aside, I’ve noticed that the majority of people that I’ve met in VR have all been in our age range outside of a few outliers. Using Bigscreen Beta has been so incredibly pleasant much to my surprise over this year and some change that I’ve had it now. I was worried that it’d be something where a bunch of rude kids/teens would pop in and try to make it awful, but it’s been the exact opposite. Awesome :)

impurekind

Modern VR is the start of the biggest paradigm shift in videogaming since it went fully 3D back in the 90s–of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

And, yeah, I’ve spent more on VR gaming in the last year than I have on all other gaming platforms combined in probably the last ten years.

Totius82

Same here, I’m 35 and I’ve been playing videogames since I was 6. Since I got my Rift I’ve spent during the last 6 months what I did in the last 6 years, I’ve got every single “big” release. I’m lucky I’m leaving these exciting times!

matthew de la hunty

500 all in if you sell the games. So much content.

care package

I thought I’d never go back to 2D gaming, but now that’s all I play again. Totally bored with VR myself. I’ve got like 5 VR games still sitting unplayed.

FloridaOJ

It’s becoming a problem. I buy everything that looks good, without discretion. I would NEVER pay full price for a console/PC title without my friends nagging incessantly… yet pretty VR title pops up and I’m like “it’s the same as dinner and a movie?”

Jack Fisher

I totally agree, Microsoft is failing XB users not releasing VR. They lost the battle in the beginning and now I just don’t understand what they are waiting for. I wanna play Doom VFR Fallout 4 VR even GTA 5 is possible on VR that is new and allot of fun. Kinect was boring and a fail, VR is the future..

XboxRules

Atari in ’86????? I sure hope it was the ST computer as by ’86 I was already on my second Amiga computer.

namekuseijin

same here, bud. atari kids in the atari VR generation! woohoo I’ve been through all generations and never been this excited since the jump from 2D to 3D in the nineties

co-op quests in rec room actually remind me a lot of NES classic games such as Megaman or Adventure Island…

AndyP

I’m another older gamer who’d have given up if not for VR (44). Been building my own high end gaming PCs for many years and owned nearly every console since Atari Home (plus Spectrum etc etc). Two exceptions: I don’t own a PSVR as I share a Rift (I bought) and PSVR with a friend (he bought, and we chip in for games which means we both get max ‘bang for buck’) and neither of us will consider buying another XBox console until they support VR. Love PC and PS VR (both are amazing). I’d also not buy another MS product for the same reason but need the CPU performance (though that may change). Way to shot yourself in the foot Microsoft.

FriendlyCard

Me too! VR gaming is a revelation, and I don’t buy non-VR games anymore (I used to buy a lot), but I buy TONS of 3D vr games.

Jean-Sebastien Perron

Why would anyone buy a console that has no future and is heading into a wall. People are not stupid, they buy PS4 in the hope that one day they will be able to buy VR. XboneX is not powerful enough for VR, it’s incapable of VR for an obscure reason.

David Herrington

Lighten up buddy. Maybe try some more fiber in your diet.

Johan Pruijs

He is right at some points…. I tried the PIMAX and yeah…. love it!!!

Evgeni Zharsky

cool, but i’ll wait for more in depth Pimax reviews.

Eddie Barsh

You CLEARLY have no idea what you’re talking about. Xbox One X can’t run VR? Yeah you’re smoking rocks. The OG PS4 runs PSVR just fine. JUST FINE! and the xbox one x is farrrrrrrrr stronger than the OG PS4 and has 40% more power than the PS4 Pro. It can handle VR no questions asked. They’ve just chosen not to link WMR to the Xbox One X because of the cords. I have the PSVR and I can tell you that the tracking on WMR is far greater than the tracking on PSVR. it has inside out tracking built into the headset so no need for all the cords to hook up like the psvr. The WMR headsets have some pretty impressive specs for their price. Especially the Odyssey! Do you even VR bro?

David Herrington

Its best not to feed the troll :). Jean does this every time he posts so there isn’t any point in correcting him. He just wants a rise from people even if what he is saying isn’t true.

Eddie Barsh

Ahhh I see. Thank you

me

As a previous Vive owner, current Rift owner and PSVR-PS4pro owner – I truly love my PSVR. It is by far the most comfortable HMD to date, and while the move tracking is not on par with the Vive, as someone mentioned below some of the best VR experiences have come from the PSVR (Farpoint, RE7, London Heist, etc). So much to offer for a comfortable couch/living room experience.

Justin FlowerPristine

PSVR is the pathway mainstream VR ,Its bit more than gimmick at this point and its here to stay , the tech will get bigger ,better , and improved faster and improved its still new technology, and id bet my $ the hardware is going to get better at very quick pace

Eddie Barsh

Agreed.

Justin FlowerPristine

Novemeber PS4 plus games if people are non believers of what PSVR is currently capable of , try the BOUND game in VR hands down one best optimized psvr games out there.

impurekind

Yeah, I feel like Microsoft is dropping the ball a little bit on this one.

Jim Cherry

Ms doesn’t respond well to consumer market pressure. The last thing any one wants is another kinect except for VR instead of motion gaming.

Roy

PSVR is hands down the best gaming purchase I’ve made in my 29 years of gaming. Being inside the games is so amazing it’s hard to describe. I’m so glad to be alive in an era where this is a reality. I’m so excited to see what the future has in store for us.

Eddie Barsh

Exactly!! I’ve dreamed of this my entire life and didn’t think it would actually happen in my lifetime! I’m so happy VR is actually here I am absolutely amazed by VR

Fear Monkey

I can’t think of a good reason to buy an Xbox One X. I own a PS4 Pro, PSVR and PS4 this gen and loved the Xbox and Xbox 360, but never got a Xbox One. I love RPG’s mainly, and MS ruins Fable and kills Lionhead, never even releasing Fable Legends, MS never releases sequels to my favorite Xbox and Xbox 360 games like Mech Assault, MechWarrior, Crimson Skies, Blood Wake, Kameo, Viva Pinata, etc. Crackdown is coming to Windows, Im not a huge Gears of War fan, not a huge Racing fan for Forza, and I love Halo but thats one game, and nothing Halo is being released for Xbox One X. If MS released a fantastic VR headset for Xbox One X and exclusive games, I may have had to have a serious look at it. I don’t have a 4k TV yet either, so MS really hasnt given me a reason except its powerful hardware. It amazes me how much MS dropped the ball with the Xbox One.

Eddie Barsh

Agreed. I just don’t see how Phil Spencer got promoted. He’s been terrible! In the NFL, NBA , MLB you can literally get fired after winning coach of the year or taking your team one game away from the World Series. It keeps pressure on teams to continually innovate and succeed. I guess it isn’t the same in the gaming world. Phil Spencer just got promoted for leading Xbox to 3rd place in sales, when just a few years ago we were 1st in sales. Shocking. Xbox has fell so far. There’s clearly a level of dysfunction for the past several years and IMO I feel like a lot of ppl need to go. They need to clear house and go back to the drawing board.

Life of Black Tiger

“Crackdown is coming to Windows”

if you have a pc capable of running crackdown 3, why wouldn’t you just buy a oculus rift? it has more games than the psvr, it’s better quality headset and has games like robo recall/elite dangerous.

Eddie Barsh

Perhaps we should stop comparing which touch/move controllers are better and start appreciating the fact that PSVR has move controllers because I know too many ppl who really enjoy the move controllers

Life of Black Tiger

“PSVR fans will likely agree that Move has far greater issues that we were hoping would be addressed. For starters, the lack of analog sticks can make controlling some games a challenge, especially considering PSVR only supports 180-degree controller tracking, meaning you can’t face away from the PlayStation Camera. Moreover, the single-camera setup for the platform means the controllers are susceptible to drifting, meaning they’ll move slightly even when you’re holding your hand still.”

personal preferences aside, the psmove controllers were not designed for psvr and rather adopted to work with it. that’s never an ideal situation for consumers, just for corporations.

sfmike

Fear Monkey you have said it all. I too love RPG’s and Microsoft’s history of trashing great RPG series is legendary. Crimson Skies and Fable are the best examples for me. It’s all about profit points at MS and not about anything else. If the entire Xbox division slips more in sales they might sell the whole thing off in a flash and divide the profits among their greedy investors. That’s American business today.

Brant S

Tell ya what. I am a PRO-Microsoft person since MS-DOS 2 days. XBOX original up to XBOX-One. (Not S, was waiting for Scorpio). I’ve been to E3 2009 when I won the Kia Soul on the XBox Download and Win sweepstakes.

However, I’ve been wanting VR for a LONG time! At the time, RIFT and VIVE were out of my price range as I’d also have to upgrade my Computer.

E3 2017 rolls around. VR wasn’t mentioned ONCE by Microsoft! Sooooo…

Hello PLAYSTATION VR! My 1st Playstation and VR Headset and, at the time of this post, 90% of the Games in the library. (Non-Experiences… don’t care for Experiences)

Oh yeah, x2 PS4’s and PSVR’s, as my Wife got hooked and she’s now PSVR all the way. (Also never having owned a Playstation ever)

But then Oculus had their 6 week sale.
Well, hell, bought one of those and an RX580 Video card.

Well, hell again, Now MR is coming out. I will ONLY buy MR, (as I have Ocuclus) if XBOX ONE decides to support it and my library of PSVR and Oculus hasn’t grown too large to abandon.

So, they missed my VR $$ at this time.

Andrew Jakobs

Don’t worry, MS will come with VR support on the X-box pretty soon now they have released the Creators fall update with Mixed reality. And once the MR headsets are more easily available they will release the MR support on the xbox one (X). I think it will arrive by the end of the winter (March)..

silvaring

Don’t you think it’s odd how many previously unknown people have sudddenly come and posted on the story in this page? Roadtovr never has so many people commenting on such a normal piece, and especially not individuals who sound like they are shilling a company or view point. Something fishy is going on…. What do you think Andrew?

Edward Morgan

It looks like standard console gamer fare to me. I bet someone noticed an article “dissing my XBox” and passed it around Facebook.

Eddie Barsh

I’ve been an Xbox fanatic since it debuted in 2001. My entire childhood can be traced back to countless hours waiting for my mom to fall asleep so I can sneak and play Splinter Cell on mute on school nights. Xbox has always been my heart and soul. But sadly I’ve sold my xbox one and abandoned plans to buy the Xbox One X so I can buy the PS4 Pro just so I can play Resident Evil 7 VR ! And I can confirm that several of my buddies have done the same. I can’t believe Phil Spencer got promoted!! He’s been terrible and foolish for his stance on VR. I’m in shock and disgusted by Xboxs direction the past half decade and their decision to not put out VR has been a disgrace and a smack in the face to loyal fanboys who have put up with Xboxs repeated blunders. I can no longer stand w xbox and be loyal to a company that isn’t loyal to its fanbase

MaeseDude

Frankly, I’m not sure that all these strange decisions are to be blamed on Spencer. Ultimately, it’s his bosses at Microsoft that decide what the Xbox division gets budget for. CEO Satya Nadella is a known Xbox sceptic, so I think it’s not too far fetched that Xbox is basically constantly fighting for recocnition and money within the whole company.

Eddie Barsh

Phil has been skeptical about VR also. He also seems quite delusional about it also. I remember one quote said “we may be 5-10 years away from wireless vr” uhm dude, Samsung Gear is wireless, oculus just debuted like 2 new wireless headsets. HTC is coming out w new wireless headsets, Pimax, AMD is supplying wireless VR tech to everybody. Wireless VR is def here already! He’s a moron. He’s really good at standing on a stage and delivering a big smile and has a keep talent for polishing terds (watch E3 2017 for proof of that) but at some point your words and actions must be held accountable. They over promised and under delivered. It takes more than specs to impress ppl when PSVR has been killing it.

Eddie Barsh

As part of the senior management team Phil has strings he can pull to get everyone to buy into VR and compete w Sony. Its only common sense to make WMR compatible w Xbox. It would only increase sales. Its a no brainer. But xbox has become synonymous w these blunders which is why I want Spencers head. He must be the one held accountable for this one.

If you want Rift, PSVR, Vive level VR wireless, there are options being released as addons that seem to work pretty well, but it’s not quite as standard as some might think.

As far as the Oculus and HTC standalone headsets, they pretty much offer only mobile phone level performance. They’re like the gameboys of VR compared to xbox/Playstation/PC.

It’s still not a good excuse on Xbox’s part to miss the boat here.

Eddie Barsh

Yeah I’m aware that the standalone headsets are similar to phone based VR. However, AMD has been a huge supplier of wireless VR technology and as well know AMD powers to some degree both the PS and Xbox. From the way I understand it, Niteros wireless Technology is very powerful and has low latency and by all accounts has been a smashing success. There is no doubt the wires will be a non issue if it isn’t already

Edward Morgan

Honestly, I think MS is hesitant to do XBox VR because they got burned HARD on the whole Kinect thing, and their games division is scared of unconventional interfaces now.

I cut Spencer a lot of slack, because he inherited a complete dog of a platform designed by someone who fundamentally didn’t understand the market he was selling to.

sfmike

It’s all about how much profit he can show the board of directors each quarter. If he invests heavily in VR and it doesn’t show an instant huge return on investment in two or three quarters then he will be voted out and lose his obscene salary and bonuses. Microsoft is not a trailblazer it’s a money machine for those on top.

ganesh_v

Strategy of Windows mixed reality will soon available for Xbox one devices soon

Brant S

While this is probably true, they are losing customers that moved on to systems that support it now. And once it comes to Xbox, it will have to play catch up. I, and a LOT of people in this (I don’t want to call it comments anymore, this is becoming a Forum really) forum, are done waiting.

I agree, with another in this forum, that Xbox doesn’t want another Kinect failure and are seeming really Gun shy right now. But this isn’t what they should be gun shy with.

Jim Cherry

If they actually cared about lost Customers they wouldn’t have canceled so many exclusives. Spencer appears to be focused on making sure any initiative done for Xbox ecosystem is done efficiently with very little chance of failures.

Eddie Barsh

I agree. I’m sick and tired of waiting for a resolution that may never come. I can literally show you a timeline using various xbox employees who contradict one another (and themselves) on whether xbox will have VR. First it was yes then no then yes then no and now yes again (maybe) i mean, how dysfunctional can a company be ? I too am tired of waiting. I’ll just buy a friggin PS4 Pro to make sure o got that little extra bump in horsepower to handle VR well enough and buy the adapter to use a Xbox controller on the PS4 to play VR since xbox is being fucking retarded

Graham

How do you know that exactly? I agree it will happen at some point but soon? Not the way the Xbox announcements seem to be heading.

Jim Cherry

Ms version of soon could be months to a couple of years just look how quickly they went from announcing the one x in June 2016 to shipping November 2017.

Graham

Ahhh, that definition of “soon” I can believe! :-)

Eddie Barsh

Xbox, the very definition of dysfunction.

Tommy

Fast forward 9 months and Xbox abandons all hope of VR :(

Eric Clopp

Why would xbox want to back another Kinect situation. VR isn’t really VR it just putting your face right on top of a screen. Motion controls suck. I don’t feel like spending all that money is worth it. Since I’m just attaching a small screen to my eyes. It’s really lame once you get over its newness.

Ted Joseph

My experience echoes many of those posting below. I am 48 years old and have been waiting for this level of VR experience for decades!! It is finally here and I am having a blast!!! I had all of the best vr solutions up until last spring HTC VIVE, PSVR with the PRO, and OCULUS Rift. With the touch controllers I for the Rift and the exclusives, I decided to sell the others and keep the Rift. I am happy with my choice as I believe that the best experiences so far are the exclusives on the Rift. I am playing Arktika and having a blast! I pre ordered an Xbox One X and am on the fence if canceling because of the lack of their mixed reality support at launch. I am also considering getting a Samsung mixed reality headset but not fully sold on it yet. Pimax also looks awesome!! So many choices.. the next 5 years are going to be amazing!! I have a feeling Sony is working on a 200deg wireless vr headset for the next PS5… cant wait to see what the future brings!!

Eddie Barsh

Yessssss!!! Preach

Brant S

Tell ya what. I am a PRO-Microsoft person since MS-DOS 2 days. XBOX original up to XBOX-One. (Not S, was waiting for Scorpio). I’ve been to E3 2009 when I won the Kia Soul on the XBox Download and Win sweepstakes.

However, I’ve been wanting VR for a LONG time! At the time, RIFT and VIVE were out of my price range as I’d also have to upgrade my Computer.

E3 2017 rolls around. VR wasn’t mentioned ONCE by Microsoft! Sooooo…

Hello PLAYSTATION VR! My 1st Playstation and VR Headset and, at the time of this post, 90% of the Games in the library. (Non-Experiences… don’t care for Experiences)

Oh yeah, x2 PS4’s and PSVR’s, as my Wife got hooked and she’s now PSVR all the way. (Also never having owned a Playstation ever)

But then Oculus had their 6 week sale.
Well, hell, bought one of those and an RX580 Video card.
Well, hell again, Now MR is coming out. I will ONLY buy MR, (as I have Ocuclus) if XBOX ONE decides to support it and my library of PSVR and Oculus hasn’t grown too large to abandon.

So, they missed my VR money.

To make it worse, I’d have bought 2 Scorpios (X’s) and 2 MR’s (Probably Lenovo).
To make it even worse on MS, Other than my Rocksmith music collection, I probably won’t touch Xbox much anymore, except for Rocksmith additions. And I play Rocksmith 2014 on Xbox360 (Analog audio out). Will probably even let my Gold status drop.

Eddie Barsh

Dude your story is the exact same as mine. Xbox missed out on my money and my friends and family’s money. We’ve all been Xbox guys but many of us have switched to PSVR. It was huge life decision to me because I’ve always been an Xbox guy. VR has been a dream to me since it was a kid and I’m absolutely crazy about it!! So crazy that I switched from xbox to PS just to play VR at the console level. And I know for a fact that many others feel the same way as we both do which makes me wonder just how much money xbox is losing due to incompetence. IMO they just seem like a sinking ship.

Brant S

Yeah, I’ve already talked friends into PSVR or didn’t have to talk them into VR after playing with my PSVR and Oculus. They are amazed and have bought as well.

And, I admit, I’m not a Thumb shooter (CoD and Halo) But put a Virtual gun in my hands and I go to town. Hell, even Dick Wilde is a blast.

Eddie Barsh

Again similar stories. I too have flipped alot of traditional gamers to VR gamers. I too am an xbox guy but the PSVR makes it worth to ditch the sinking ship that is Xbox. I’m disappointed and angered by xboxs decision to not have a VR device ready for the X release. Instead I sold my xbox got a psvr and have convinced many of my friends to switch to psvr..

Brant S

Yep, never thought I’d go PS.

Eddie Barsh

Me either but what can you do when your favorite company stubbornly and foolishly fails to recognize how truly amazing VR/AR is and the only company that offers the very thing we crave is the enemy. What can you do but go where the VR is. PS has VR. Xbox don’t. Plain and simple. If xbox wants to lose more money and customers that’s fine by me but I’m not gonna deprive myself of something I crave out of foolish loyalty. I did that for 16 years. I stuck w xbox thru the highs and lows I stuck w them thru the xbox one debut fiasco I stuck w them thru slumping sales and a lack of games but I’m not gonna deprive myself of VR . no way. Fuck that and fuck them

GrangerFX

Same here. I was all set to pull the trigger on an XBox One X on the day of release but then we learned that Microsoft did not want to “distract” its game developers with VR. I still don’t know how to parse that insane statement. Couldn’t they have just been honest and said that they would launch VR for the XBox One X when they had enough launch titles? I may have still bought it if I knew it was for certain going to be released. As it stands, Microsoft has only vague promises about VR somewhere in the future but perhaps it will only be for an XBox One Y with additional hardware to support it. I am not going to take that chance.

Nobody

Microsoft don’t want another Kinect 2.0

dr3yec

The current resolutions kill it for me. I have had all 3 headsets and all 3 had screen door effect. I will wait for the 8k generation.

impurekind

I don’t know what headsets you’ve had or what games you’ve been playing but I rarely notice the screen door effect at all once I’m actually playing a decent game in VR on my Oculus Rift CV1–and there are a lot of decent games in VR.

Edward Morgan

Quite possible he’s mistaking the fresnel lens striations as screen-door effect. In my Rift, the striations are quite visible, especially in bright scenes. I understand the desire to use less material(both for cost and weight), but it seems to me like it was a poor tradeoff. I expect to see conventional lenses in Vive2/Rift2.

impurekind

I’ve never noticed the striations on my Rift CV1 but I have noticed the God rays many times. Hopefully the God rays, which I think are the most noticeable problem with Rift’s display/lenses right now to be honest, will be gone or very much reduced in the next headset.

Miganarchine Migandi

I am 56 and I would buy the odd rpg on flat screen but I have about 90 games for Vive VR since release, Talk about throw money at them, and now I will have to buy Fallout 4 for the second time, hook line and sinker, even if PSVR is doing so well I can only be glad as it will have a knock on for Vive devs I think!

iUserProfile

I really was curious for X Box One X and VR – could have brought me back as a microsoft costumer since the 360, but with their neglect of VR I’ve now upgraded to a PS4 Pro. Next stop PCVR probably next year or so. What a missed opportunity for microsoft to get a foot in the door.

Tim Suetens

The “family room”. What a dick. We don’t all have families, and not all families are stuck-up. And isn’t it up to the consumer to decide what they’re willing to pay for?

yag

That’s more a thing Nintendo would say.

Adam Broadhurst

Yeah,whats the obsession with the ‘family room’,did he not learn anything from the family targeted Kinect?
Where are these large families that gather together to play video games?
Fact is,gaming for the majority is very much a solo activity.

Royston Hetherington

I’ve been gaming all my life, Earliest memory’s are with my Atari 2600 and yars revenge. 39 now and hand on heart ive had/played every games console/hand held since my Atari days. I’ve not got the PSVR yet I wanted to see how well it done first and offer more game variety. MS messed up big style and they knew it back to when the one came out. How quick they were to bring backwards compatibility out after seeing the one get battered in sales by ps4. Its all about the game play people, I know id rather be playing VR than sitting in front of the most powerful console in the world like i’ve done time and time again with previous consoles. Exciting times ahead for VR and Playstation.

Jean-Sebastien Perron

I wanted to buy a Xbox one X for VR, but when it was revealed that it was not powerful enough for VR, I sold my PSVR and bought an Oculus Rift. Like everyone I bought 90% of PSVR games and now I own 40% of all VR games on Steam and Oculus store (That is a lot of games). PSVR is in my opinion as good is as PC VR, it just does not have any serious simulators in VR. Xbox brand is dead, they killed it by clearly announcing that their console has zero potential for the future of gaming. Even if they change their mind now, it would mean that Xbox one X would not have a VR game until mid 2019. Why would anyone buy a console that has no potential for upgrade to VR? VR the most amazing thing that the human race created. I even think that the promised paradise at the end of your life promised by God is actually VR.

allanwith

I don’t blame you for your reaction, the lack of clarity and direction from Microsoft here is not good. Just be aware that there is no reason to think the Xbox One X is not powerful enough to handle VR. On the contrary, it should be more than capable, having more computing power than the PS4 Pro. Also, by having essentially the same platform on PC and Xbox, games should be more or less ready to go as soon as Xbox VR is announced, which we must still expect it to be.

So the Xbox One X DOES have potential for VR and if they released support today, games would be ready almost immediately or pretty soon after. You can, rightfully, be mad at Microsoft for other things, but not for those reasons.

I think you are right, it’s just not good with the lack of clarity. They should have kept to the original statement and not caused confusion by sending mixed messages about it.

Brant S

2018 E3 Update… Nope :(

flamaest

Although the content of this article is very important and timely, there is no new news in this article. Can we please get an update on Microsoft’s actual standing on virtual reality for the Xbox? I was hoping there was new information here that wasn’t already discussed months ago. Microsoft is really screwing the pooch on this.

GrangerFX

I bought a Samsung Odyssey Mixed Reality headset on launch day. Quality wise it’s a great headset. It is very comfortable to wear (even without the missing flip up feature) and the graphics quality is excellent. I can wear it with glasses even though the stupid instructions warn you not to do that and to wear contacts instead (as if). The problem is that there are no games I want to play on the Microsoft Store and the Steam connectivity is very buggy and a total pain to use.

My biggest problem with the Steam support is that it loves to drop frames, usually when I start turning my head slowly. Checking the system monitor, I can see that Microsoft’s MR portal is using over ten percent of my CPU while Steam is running. To work properly, Steam must be able to run without needing to have Mixed Reality running in the background. Mixed Reality should be a SDK library like DirectX that Steam uses to control the headset and to get the tracking inputs. That cliff house thing? Cute but I would never use it if I could avoid it. Fallout 4 looks great (except for the constant dropped frames) but the controls don’t work well with the MR controllers. I would not play the full game as it stands today.

If you are considering a Mixed Reality headset, you should wait for the software to mature. I also find Samsung’s refusal to release it anywhere but the USA to be ominous. Will they drop it entirely soon or come out with a better version and obsolete the current one? The HTC and Oculus headsets are very uncomfortable to wear if you are in the 62% of people that need glasses. The best VR headset today with a great library of games, that is very comfortable to wear, is well built and has almost no screen door effect (even less than the Samsung Odyssey) is the PSVR. Make sure you get the updated version that has HDR passthrough.

Graham

Very helpful summary of your experience with the odyssey – thanks. Lack of games and genuine compatibility with steam were two things I were worried about so sounds like they aren’t quite there yet – shame as I really liked the headset specs and inside out tracking.
Having said all that, I’m in the uk so who knows whether they will ever release it over here anyway. As you say, keeping it to US only does make it feel very much like a test run rather than a full release. Very odd given all the other MR headsets were released in other countries.

RFC_VR

@graham. You’re right it’s very odd the Samsung hasn’t been released into the UK (considering the size of our gaming market).

I can’t see MS getting much traction with MR, because it’s not being promoted with any energy?

I literally cannot find a MR demo in London (a city with reputation for tech)…I can demo Vive, Rift, PSVR, Daydream, GearVR2, etc.

I’m not buying HMD “blind”, does it even fit my head?? What about IPD?

No demo? No sale….

Graham

Wow – no demos even in London? Very strange.

Sadly, think I will hold fire and see what 2018 brings in terms of mr improvements / general hmd announcements

RFC_VR

yes its very odd. I can go into the biggest electrical store, they have a Vive Pre still doing free daily demo duties (its been there since Vive launched), and a Daydream area where you can try “new” View with Pixel 2.

They have 2 MR headsets on display inside plastic cases bolted to the wall, I asked about a demo, and the sales manager said, “we don’t demo them, they get broken, you’ll have to buy one to see if it works out for you?”

I’ve been in touch with MS in UK and they could not suggest anyone I could demo a MR headset with.

I guess the big problem is each MR partner (Dell, Lenovo, etc.) seems to be responsible for marketing their own product (which in a big electrical retailer is just another “Dell” product alongside laptops, desktop, etc. so there is no incentive for MS to offer (i.e. pay a retailer) to offer any “mixed reality” demos.

I’m aware HTC UK paid to have that Vive Pre available for demo, and also paid Sandbox in East London to run 4 Vive’s during the Star Trek Bridge Crew launch; and Google pay for the Daydream demo space.

Kyle Biggs

I’m not rich by any means, but as of this moment there are 7 VR systems in my house. 3 Gear VRs (they give them out like candy), DK1, DK2, CV1 and Vive Pre. I’m a bit on the extreme side, but I’d never have dropped this much money on traditional gaming software and hardware. MS is either foolish or quietly developing something, as it is clear VR isn’t the gimmick the naysayers wished it to be.

Microsoft is mired in implementing the globalist, communist surveillance agenda. They don’t have time for VR

Grey Lock

Big Rift + Touch fan here who recently got the Lenovo WMR and have to say I’m now a huge fan of inside-out tracking. My hope is before the winter is out that MS will announce WMR support for XBOX One X with immediate support for Elite, Forza, etc.

Graham

How are you finding it with steam? A comment below on the odyssey suggests it’s not working very well

Greylock3491

WMR works well with Steam, but some games do not show you how to use the WMR controllers, so you have to guess at what buttons do what. That’s my biggest complaint – it would be like seeing the Vive controller layout when using Touch controllers – not very helpful.

gothicvillas

not sure… to me WMR is more non-gaming headset. What we like in Vive and Oculus is the room scale. Turning and interacting without being worried whether you face the tracking camera is essential. I play at home Vive and PSVR. Both are good systems. PSVR lacks the room scale and constant worry i am facing away from the camera is immersion breaking. In the same time, I am astonished that PS4 can output VR to begin with. Finished RE7 with psvr and i think it was great. The moment it comes out on STeam I will get it in a heartbeat. I can only imagine how cool it will be on Vive.

RFC_VR

anyone say roomscale? Vive is simply awesome in that aspect…check out this playspace :)

WMR Headsets work just like Rift + Touch, and most of my friends have opted for WMR because it’s half the price and only requires 1 USB 3.0. Still like my Rift, but WMR is solid for gaming.

Tommy

I was looking into getting the Odyssey but decided to wait for next gen. I love the idea of inside out tracking but the current WMR headsets don’t have enough cameras to fully track yet. It tracks ok but could be so much better.

Bitekr

I bought PSVR for my PS4 Pro and i like it a lot. I have spent easily $800CAN for PSVR, Farpoint bundle and many games in the PSN store. I have not spent that much money on gaming in a long, long time. Microsoft is losing big on VR. I just can imagine how mice VR could be on Xbox One X with such power. VR games updated for PS4 Pro look very good so same games on Xbox One X would look better. Microsoft is always missing the boat, first totally blow it to Apple and Google with phones, now VR in console gaming.

Veisenberg

I say this every time someone brings up VR on Xbox One X. It’s just never going to happen. Why? The base Xbox One and the Xbox One S are just not powerful enough to run VR. Simple as that.

Adam Broadhurst

Yes,the XboxOne and S would strugglee so why cant the VR be XBoxOneX only?
I know Microsoft has stated all games must run on regular XboxOne as well as XBoxOneX but surely they can make the exception for VR?

Alexisms

Adam Broadhurst I don’t think there are enough base one x units in customer hands to make any developers time worthwhile. With psvr there’s 3 million headsets plus another 77 million potential ones. With xbox one x you’ve NO headsets and only about 2 million potential ones. That’s a generous estimate as ms has released no figures apart from it selling 80,000 in its first month.

XboxRules

That foreign console doesn’t have real VR just crappy 1080p demos of games, NOT full AAA games in VR like on PC. When XBOX ONE X does it, it we’ll get the full VR treatment that we get on PC. The foreign consoles 2M 1080p headsets sold is nothing if MS is compatible with Windows MR HMD’s that are already in the hands of consumers and I’m waiting for wireless HMD’s before upgrading from my Rift.

Meil

you must realize by now that you are completely incorrect….right?

Stop carrying the torch for the XBox and realize its time is running out FAST. PC gaming, Playstation, and Nintendo are killing it off.
Not to mention, last I heard MS isnt going to release VR at all…it will either be AR or MR, not a true VR.

XboxRules

I realised right away how incorrect you are.

Stop carrying a hard on for that foreign company and realise it was over before it even began, under powered junk with a crap 6 hour controller, lame, slow, hackable, unreliable network. PC gaming is full of cheaters, I know, I have a gaming PC, we ALL do. nintendo is for kiddies EVERYONE knows that. It also has the power of consoles from two gens ago like the 360. MR is better than VR you ill-informed little kid. It has the tracking BUILT IN. AR is vastly more expensive than VR. MS does have MR HMD’S coming for XBOX ONE X, the games have been in development for over a year. Get educated BEFORE posting.

Tommy

6 months later…
Not only were you incorrect then but you are even more incorrect now.
Zero plans for VR on Xbox.
PSVRs have gone over 3 million with over 29 million games sold.

XboxRules

You’re a fucking simpleton, kiddo. The VR XBOX WON X games are in development, retard. Get educated. I don’t give a flying fuck what the oriental console sells to third worlders I don’t give a fuck about. I play software NOT sales.

Andrew Jakobs

the only simpleton retard here is you. Maybe you should get yourself educated.

XboxRules

Oh, that’s got to be the comeback of the year, fucked face. Nothing you post will change the fact that VR games are in development for XBOX WON X. Get educated, retard.

Andrew Jakobs

“But in a recent interview with Gamesindustry.biz, Microsoft’s chief marketing officer of gaming, Mike Nichols, admitted that the company no longer had “any plans specific to Xbox One consoles” for VR applications”, that’s from an interview from late june 2018.

But please educate us on which companies are developing specific xbox one x vr games. Any VR game that has been developed right now have been for Mixed reality for Windows 10 (like the Halo experience), not specific for xbox one x..
But you’re nothing more than a fanboy, just even looking at the way you spell xbox one x, the xbox hasn’t WON anything yet, playstation is still master.

XboxRules

andrew jacobs VR games have been in development for XBOX for a while now, kiddo.

The psvr outsold the xbot1x and who would dev games for a system that didn’t sell for a headset that doesn’t exist?

XboxRules

kool No, actually it didn’t and in any event, you can’t play sales. Maybe you’re clueless, but XBOX WON X runs on the Windows 10 kernel and has a 6TFLOP GPU with 12GB RAM and the next XBOX is also coming. Plenty of VR and MR HMD’s will run on that. Educate yourself.

kool

Thanks that was educational. So even though the psvr outsold the xbot1x and VR is never coming to it. Your still willing to give them another shot…way to stand by your man!

XboxRules

Learn YOU’RE from YOUR, you stupid fuck. It never outsold anything and you can’t even play sales, retard. 4K is never coming to your trash oriental console. Do you drive a shitty honda civic while listening to justin bieber, sales boy? VR games are already in development for XBOX, don’t give a fuck what you believe it makes no difference on reality.

Andrew Jakobs

uhh, the PS4 pro already does 4K, EDUCATE YOURSELF, just like the xbox one x.. Both aren’t capable of real 4K (without dynamic resolutions and upscaling).
Yes maybe VR-games are already in development, but no developer has publicly given any information about it, and as I pointed out, a MS representative said they weren’t doing VR for the xbox one x (goes against what they mentioned before the release of the xbox one x, where they told about it running VR), but that doesn’t meant because of the success of PSVR they might reconsider it. But remember, most VR-games on the PC that run on the MR headsets, only run on those headsets because those games are using Steam-VR which supports the MR-headsets, not the native windows 10 MR platform. And the xbox one X doesn’t have steamVR, and will never have it.

XboxRules

Nope, that oriental console doesn’t actually do native 4K. Educate yourself. XBOX WON X is capable of native 4K HDR, you fucking moron. I have Forza 7 right here which proves how uneducated you are. Read Dead Redemption is also 4K, Halo 3 is native 3K, Halo 5 is native 4K. I don’t give a shit what’s been made public that has no bearing on reality. MS never said they weren’t doing VR as a blatant statement. Learn to read. You should really get an education as there are many HMD’s that support BOTH Steam and Oculus eco systems. You’re an idiot.

Andrew Jakobs

Well, the next ‘shit oriental rice cooker’ is also coming. And even if it has slightly better specs now compared to the PS4 Pro, if it doesn’t have any real good exclusives (not also available as crossbuy for PC), than it’s nothing special. And at the moment, NONE of the VR/MR HMD’s run on the xbox one x for non developers.. educate yourself… BTW stop saying ‘educate yourself’ if you don’t even educate yourself.. instead of saying ‘educate yourself’ you should post links to prove use all wrong..

XboxRules

and it will have the same shit controller on the same shit network with the same shit policies such as no EA Access. That oriental console can go fuck itself and its trash anime lineup. I’ve already seen VR and MR HMD’s running on XBOX WON X, it’s be pretty hard to have a AAA VR game in development without an HMD to test it on, don’t you think? Educate yourself.

Andrew Jakobs

It’s Jakobs with a K. You haven’t given any proof for any VR game being in development voor your Xbox one X. At least the ‘shit oriental rice cooker’ is available in black…

XboxRules

andrew jacobs I don’t need to give anything, I’ve already seen the game and it’s a AAA title. My XBOX WON X is a black Project Scorpio edition with a really cool textured finish and native 4K HDR capability hooked up to my 4K HDR laser projector with a 120″ screen.

Tommy

Don’t bother, man. You’re arguing with an uneducated loser that will dispute any factual information you put in front of him.
You’re wasting your time on a little kid

MosBen

You seem like the absolute worst.

XboxRules

You seem like the type of queer that still reads comic books.

MosBen

The worst, and dumb. You really are all mething.

XboxRules

You really are a fag.

MosBen

I guess the best case scenario for you is that you’re just too young to recognize how really stupid this kind of behavior is, and in a few years you’ll look back on this part of your life with embarrassed disgust.

Xboxrules is clearly a MAGA hat wearing racist. I’m glad he spends so much time in his VR headset. The less time cunts like that spend walking about in the real world the better.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Yes, we get it, you don’t like cunts. No wonder you enjoy taking so many cocks. I’m glad you spend so much time in your leather swing than you do frequenting locations where others would have to see your filthy self.

Mike Taylor

Yet again a few short sentences revealing a truly loathsome personality here. An open book that reads “Pathetic Loser” in large letters so that even you can slowly run you finger along the words and drawl out the meaning. Stay in your moms basement so that the women of whatever backwater shithole you dwell in doesnt have to be rohypnoled by you and dragged back to your rape den.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You’re going to have to do better than that, you pathetic queer. Keep bending over for your toothless daddy who cums into your room every night.,

Mike Taylor

Seriously, your insults are beyond immature, what are you,12? Yeah I know your not 12, you’re like mid forties which makes your attitude all the worse. It’s a well known fact that people who are extremely homophobic are often closet homosexuals. Perhaps have some quiet inner reflection and try and figure out what’s going on with your life. I’m not, as you call it a “queer” but I certainly don’t have your apparent hatred for people who are and maybe once you have realised why you are so filled with such impotent rage you will find some peace and stop hating so much. On the other hand, have you noticed that pretty much everyone you interact with on here pretty much hate you? Yeah it’s true man, they fucking despise you and I suspect that if you act in the real world like you do here then people out there hate you too. Such a lonely life, I almost pity you but the next time you’re sitting there in your grief pit of a home crying and drained after a marathon internet porn wanking session and then you remember that gun you have in the drawer…..I mean it’s not the first time you’ve considered it right, maybe this time, maybe this time. Hey don’t listen to me, what do I know. I’m just a “queer” who buys “oriental” consoles right.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Learn YOU’RE from YOUR, retard. I never said I’m afraid of faggots, get educated and stop phishing for dates. I’m perfectly aware of what’s going on in my life, don’t project your personal confusion upon others. I don’t give a fuck what the weebs on this weaboo article think. It’s none of my business what others think of me, I’m not a sensitive little snowflake like you. You are Sigmund FRAUD any other failed analysis you’d like to embarrass yourself by sharing? I have more than one gun and no, I don’t consider shooting you in the face with it. You wouldn’t be worth it, but thanks for asking about it. Now go play your oriental console, queer.

Andrew Jakobs

It’s Sigmund FREUD, and you’re not really in a position to point out grammatical errors to others (let’s not forget, a lot of people on this site aren’t native english speakers, and a lot of them type better grammatically correct english than you do).
PS, I’m not a native english speaker, so my grammar might not be the best.

XboxRules

No kiddo, in your case it is definitely Sigmund FRAUD. I guess that reference flew right over your head. When it comes to intellect if you were any shorter you’d need a ladder to tie your shoes. I’m in perfect position to point out your grammatical errors, I’m in front of my 42″ computer monitor where your post is adequately displayed.

Mike Taylor

Haha…you ARE too funny. Such asinine pedantry to focus on one missed apostrophe on an internet forum post and call me a retard, really, is that your best comeback?. Weeboo? Faggot? Queer Snowflake? I’m beginning to think you are actually a made up parody character of a right wing, Trump supporting gun nut. YOU’RE such a sad clown of a fucking cliche. Anyway, I’m bored trolling the troll now. Your unimaginative insults are wearing thin. Good luck with your angry little solitary life. Hope that attitude works out for you.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You don’t even know YOU’RE from YOUR, you’re a retard. It’s not a comeback, it’s an evaluation based upon observation. It’s weaboo, not weeboo, idiot. I do support TRiUMPh, I do own guns. Are you some kind of soy boy antifa nancy? Who said I was angry, kiddo?

Mike Taylor

Jeez, well you sure sound pretty angry. Get some professional help you poor wretch before you go on a shopping mall massacre.

XboxRules

mike gaylor If you’re hearing angry sounds from my written posts you may want to see a doctor and get prescribed some meds before it’s too late. Help is available if you just reach out to someone and ask.

Mike Taylor

I’m now convinced that you are playing a character, no real person can be this boneheaded So bravo, you had me going there for a while. This is some next level Sacha Baron Cohen style comedy character stuff going on here. Now reveal your true self you absolute genius. I’m in awe.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Is this where I take a bow?

Mike Taylor

Well only if I’m right about you playing a character. Any fool can anonymously act like an anatagonistic asshole on the internet. Calling you a genius, in case it wasn’t obvious, was sarcasm.

Mike Taylor

if you want. Any idiot can anonymously go online an act like an antagonistic arsehole though. So maybe you’re playing a character or maybe you are actually are that odious in real life. Either way you are neither funny or clever.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Thanks captain obvious, but I was already able to surmise that from reading your posts. Anything else, kiddo?

Mike Taylor

You were able to surmise that you are neither funny or clever. Well done, the penny finally drops in your 40 watt brain. Now take your bow and fuck off back to 4chan where you belong.

XboxRules

mike gaylor What I surmised is posted above in plain English. Do you speak it? What’s a 4chan , kiddo? Is that where you weaboos hang out?

Mike Taylor

My English is evidently better than yours given the comparative eloquence of my posts versus your inane drivel and limited vocabulary. You are aware of 4chan, but I’ll indulge: it’s where vile, lowlife racists and homophobes hang out on the internet posting stupid memes and using terms such as weeboo, soy boy & antifa.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You just proved that it is in fact, not. You couldn’t even comprehend a plain English statement where I eloquently dictated what I had surmised. You weren’t even close to what I actually stated. You interpretation of what I posted would leave one thinking you are retarded. I never heard of 4chan except from you. Where do the high life racists go? Why would anyone have a fear of fags? Is that the site you belong to? You have a lot of fears? It’s WEABOO not weeboo, dummy. Are you an antifa nancy, soy boy, leftist commie?

Mike Taylor

Oh wow, let’s unpack this fucking mess of retort of yours shall we?

My posts make complete sense, but if I have misunderstood yours in any way it’s because they are the poorly constructed rants of a madman. Anyway, go back and read through again, get a literate friend to help if you can find one.

“YOU interpretation” don’t you mean “YOUR interpretation” are you a RETARD?!!! is the kind of pedantic shit you would normally spout at minor typos.

The only reason I assumed you belong to or peruse 4chan is because I had to look up your nonsense weeboo and soyboy words having never heard of them before. A cursory internet search reveals that the words originate from that site and are frequently bandied about there. It seemed logical that you picked those terms up from there, but if not it’s still where those terms that you are so fucking fond of originated.

Weaboo/weeboo, yes, you have pointed this out before, nobody fucking cares how made up non-dictionary words are spelled.

So you’re a pro-fascist? Nice, your days are numbered.

If you can’t comprehend any of the above, don’t hesitate to ask, after all there’s no such thing as a stupid question (but there is, evidently, such a thing as a stupid cunt.)

XboxRules

mike gaylor You should unpack the fudge from your arse, at least you could be successful at that.

If you’re confused, ask a nearby adult or your parents.

You still can’t even spell weaboo, retard. Isn’t it listed on your ID card? Go back to your 4channel or whatever it is that you claim to hang out at.

I have no fear of fags, retard. Better pick a word that makes sense. Get educated. I don’t need to use words that are soy boy or antifa nancy approved. Freedom of speech, dumb fuck.

I don’t click links to fag lover sites. Your clicks and patronage is enough for them.

How are my days numbered, kiddo? You fucking antifa nancys can’t even do a push up. It’s you fucking commies who’s days are numbered. Better dead than red. We beat the commies before and we’ll do it again.

I get it, you don’t like stupid cunts. You prefer taking smart cocks. Well, I won’t judge your lifestyle, to each their own.

Get educated.

Mike Taylor

Haha…you’re mental. See ya kiddo.

We beat the Nazis before too.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Oh, really? So the Nazis didn’t form NASA and the Russian space agency? Oh do tell? You fucking commie pinko. Better dead than red. You little antifa nancy, can you even do a push up? Get educated, kiddo.

Mike Taylor

Christ! you really are as thick as pigshit. The Nazis did not start NASA. Ex Nazis scientists were employed by NASA. There’s the grain of truth that you have once again twisted into an alternative “fact”.
I should have taken the advice of George Carlin “Never argue with an idiot, he’ll just bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.” (That’s experience in being an idiot by the way, it’s sad I feel the need to explain simple jokes to you.

XboxRules

mike gaylor No such thing as christ, kiddo. I’ve seen less gullible pig shit. It’s not a “grain” of truth, dumb fuck. It was called Operation Paperclip , educate yourself. You should keep quoting sayings that have been used to death already, it’s not likely you’d be bright or witty enough to come up with your own.
Maybe ask a nearby adult or your parents to explain life to you.
You scrawny little antifa nancy,

Mike Taylor

1. You are too astoundingly stupid to realise that use of the word Christ does not mean a literal belief in Christ. I’ve seen you use this piss poor argument before so I put the word in to test how predictable you are. You didn’t disappoint. You are an insult to rational thinking atheists. As a cultural Christian I use Christian words and phrases all the time. Ever said the word Goodbye? It’s a contraction of God Be With Ye. So are you a gullible bible thumpin’ god-fearin’ Christian now?
2. Operation paperclip is as I described, ex Nazis recruited by NASA for their V2 rocket expertise. This is not the same as your dimwitted assertion that the Nazis started NASA. No doubt you choose to believe this because it suits your pro-fascist agenda.
3. Please give examples of how bright and witty you are, I have seen no evidence thus far. Your writing style is purile and childlike. Is saying “X BOX WON X” on nearly every post your idea of wit? Calling people weeeebooos, soyboys, antifa or faggots, is that wit in your oddball land of fantasy? This is like the third time you used the phrase “ask a nearby adult….” no doubt pissing yourself with laughter at your own Oscar Wilde levels of witty repartee, the life and soul of all the parties you will never get invited to because you are a gormless, friendless man child with neither the charm nor wit to make up for your undoubtedly fat and ugly visage. All the rejection in your life has turned you into a pathetic, twisted ball of hate that rages impotently against a world that will never recognise the genius you believe yourself to be because the truth is you are nothing but a deluded loser. God be with ye.

XboxRules

mike gaylor
1. You’re the moron calling out to him. I say “see you later”, but thanks for checking. So no, I’m not a bible thumping anything, Nothing in common with you.
2. NASA and the Russian space agency are run by Nazi’s. Without Nazi’s we’d be decades behind in technology. You didn’t describe operation paperclip, you didn’t even bring it up, I did. Read much? What a dim wit you are. No doubt you take your anti technology standpoint to fit your pro antifa nancy agenda.
3. Once you pass English comprehension 101 all will be revealed to you, kiddo.

No such thing as god, you fucking gullible, naive little down syndrome goof.

Mike

This is your weakest yet, you disappoint me. I can only assume you angrily mashed your half-arsed and inaccurate reply into the keyboard through blubbering tear stained eyes because the reality of your sad and lonely life is starting to sink in. (You still have that gun right? Just make sure it’s locked away nice n’ safe.)

You’ve never said goodbye? This is an obvious lie.

The recruitment of ex Nazi scientists to help with the US space program is not a fucking secret, it’s well documented. Some were previously card-carrying, dedicated Nazis, some were just scientists that had to work under a fascist regime. And yes, I absolutely agree, without their involvement in the space program the US would have been decades behind and may never have succeeded. This is not in dispute, never was. But, unless you think ‘The Man in the High Castle’ is a documentary (it’s possible, you do struggle separating fact from fiction), NASA is not currently run by Nazis, was not started by Nazis and is not, and never was, managed by the Nazis. Repeating things over and over does not magically turn your bullshit opinions into facts.
Not liking racists and fascists does not automatically make a person a member of Antifa you ridiculous pigeonholing twat. I personally find the extreme left just as annoyingly cuntish as the extreme right. All the cool people have rather more balanced opinions.

If you were at all capable of following a sentence without running your fat grubby digit along the words and slowly mouthing the sounds out of your dribbling cake hole, one tortured syllable at a time, you would have already gathered that I am not religious. I do not believe in deities. This was perfectly clear in my last post to all but the slowest of thinkers. You inevitably trotting out your tiresome ‘gullible’ argument is pretty god damn redundant. Do I have to explain to you difference between a cultural Christian and an actual Christian?

Still waiting for some evidence of your sparkling wit and intelligence, most of your put downs are badly regurgitated facsimiles of what others have already said to you or just an angry stream of right-wing bullshit buzzwords. Go on, try and squeeze out an original fucking thought from that constipated turd that you laughably call a brain.

I know, it’s difficult for you but you’re doing really well considering your obvious disadvantages. What is it Aspergers? Autism? Some sort of arrested development perhaps or is it just that you are a sad, witless cunt?

mike gaylor You’re the epitome of weak. You set the bar for disappointment. No wonder you have a box of tissues standing by upon your desk and a bottle of visine in the top drawer, kiddo.
I have a few guns, kiddo. I wouldn’t use them on you, you’re not worth it, so stop worrying about it.

I’ve never used the term “goodbye”, kiddo. Does that trigger you?

You dense fucking retard, it was I that brought up operation paperclip. Go back and re-read the posts, you stupid fuck. I don’t give a shit what an idiot like you believes. It has no bearing upon the events that actually took place. Nazi brilliance seems to trigger you, kiddo. What are you some kind of faggot antifa nancy? You couldn’t balance a gram of weed and a dollar bill, dumb fuck.

You fucking down syndrome dribbler. Go learn to do a push up you weak little fuck.

Mike

Aw man, you knew what I meant, you knew I was just concerned that you’ll get all mopey and blow your own brains out, but you know what, it’s your life, do what you will. Leading a double life as a closet arse tickler must be tough for you. People will understand if you want to take the easy path out.

What a bizarre claim to make that you’ve never used the word goodbye, why you think that should “trigger” anyone though is anyone’s guess. You have some weird thought processes, I guess you just like saying “triggered” a lot.

Once again you demonstrate a complete failure to follow a narrative. Maybe it’s you that should have a re-read. Slowly this time, make sure all the big words don’t discombobulate you. One final time, just for you: NOT RELIGOUS.
Yes, you certainly did bring up operation paperclip first. I never once said otherwise you dopey fat fuckwit, I merely corrected you on what you thought it was. I don’t know what weird one-upmanship win you think this gives you but you are certainly welcome to it….you DEFINITELY brought it up first, ok, happy now? You won an argument, well done. Who fucking cares? But help me understand this: The Nazis, a German political organisation that had gone underground after WWII, actually sprung up in the USA in the late 50’s, and just started NASA. The US government were apparently fine with this despite having just spent years and millions fighting them. NASA is now entirely populated with and run by Nazis and everyone in NASA holds Nazi ideals. Have I got this right, is this what you actually believe? What else? Is there a hidden Nazi Moonbase on the dark side? Is Hitler still alive? The earth is flat, right? 9/11 was an inside job yeah? Nazis are relevant. You’re not a closet homosexual with anger issues and self loathing caused by your conflicted belief systems. What other batshit crazy beliefs do you hold on to?

Nazi brilliance then…Von Braun. Undoubtedly a brilliant scientist obsessed from a young age with rockets and space travel. His commitment to the Nazi cause was tenuous at best. For him it was a case of make v2 rockets for Hitler (who he thought of as pompous idiot) or be arrested by the Gestapo as a dissident. Coming to America helped him and the US realise a shared dream. If the Nazis hadn’t been defeated he would’ve remained the slave of a despotic warmonger and achieved nothing to be truly proud of. Do you really think anyone in Germany during the third reich really had much of a choice given the alternative. Oskar Schindler is another example of Nazi brilliance, you agree with that right?

Anyway, I’m done arguing with an idiot as I pretty much owned you on a previous post, I know I hit a nerve and you’ve been weeping uncontrollably like a hysterical little girl ever since. Reality’s a bitch eh? Maybe thats why you spent all the dollars you earned giving blowjobs to your Neo-Nazi buddies on an 8K VR kit. Oh look, finally back on the VR topic, a nice place to end this fascinating debate about fuck all. Winding you up is too fucking easy and I’m bored running rings round you. Bye loser.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Nope, I don’t know what you meant, I only know what you type, kiddo. I’ll leave interpretations to the fat guy at the UN. You don’t need to be concerned that I’ll blow your brains out, I mean that’s such a small target to hit and it’s hardly worth the effort for someone who can’t even do a push up. Beating up on a weakling like you would be too much like taking the easy path.

I’m glad that you’re triggered simply because I’ve never used your term when I or someone in my presence is departing.

I understood the first time, kiddo. You’re a religious nutter, I get it. Stop repeating it ad nauseam.

You fucking bottom drawer tool, it was I who brought up operation paperclip in the first place. You had to go Bing it just to understand what it was, dummy.

I’ll bet you believe that 911 guys passport just happened to float down to the base of the tower in one piece, right? Or that sandy hook wasn’t a false flag, right?

Your guesses as to what Von Braun (pronounced BROWN) was thinking inside his own head about the Nazi socialist party is meaningless to me.

schindler never accomplished anything. You watch too many boring black and white movies.

You were done arguing before you ever started and you couldn’t rent to own, kiddo.

Learn to do a push up, you weak antifa nancy faggot.

Mike

Capital letters for the hard of thinking:
YES, YOU BROUGHT UP OPERATION PAPERCLIP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Could you not read that properly before through your bleary crying sad eyes?

Why are you trying to correct my pronoucation of written words, you are getting increasingly more odd by the day. Is it a mental breakdown?

Ah well, at least you’ve stopped denying that you are a closet homo. That’s progress I suppose. Now the healing can begin for you. Good luck on your new journey of self discovery. God be with you. Amen and all that.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Stop crying in public, kiddo. It’s quite unbecoming.

You needed the correction because you were pronouncing it as “brawn” not “BROWN”, capital letters for dumb fucks to understand.

Oh well, at least you came out of that closet a decade ago, you antifa nancy faggot. Useless religious nutter.

XBOX WON X is the MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE ON EARTH, all capitals for dumb fucks to read.

Mike

haha… I was pronouncing it brawn was I, you ‘heard’ how I pronouced it. Mental
There you go again, not one original thought in your head (apart from the voices you are now apparently hearing). Make up your own insults for pity’s sake, try to rise above your own mediocrity.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Yeah, you were, idiot. Get educated. No wonder you had to go Bing operation paperclip AFTER I brought it up.

mike gaylor No wonder you get most everything wrong. Nothing wrong with torrents, kiddo. XBOX WON X, jump in!

Mike

Never said there was anything wrong with torrents. Just those Neo-Nazi themed gay porn torrents that your hard drive is absolutely rammed with.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Sure you did, kiddo. Your post is still there to confirm it. No wonder you antifa nancy faggots get beat up at every rally. XBOX WON X , jump in!

Mike

Um nope, never said that.

C’mon level with me, you are just trolling. You are just pretending to be this right wing idiot for shits n giggles right? Because I refuse to believe anybody on this planet is as dumb as the character you are presenting here. Not even The Donald is this thick.

XboxRules

mike gaylor It’s still posted, kiddo. Nazi’s were socialists and not right wing, you dumb fuck. Get educated. TRiUMPh for a second term. You weak little antifa nancy faggots are so triggered.
Going to get beat up at any rallies this weak? Let me know which ones you are going to. I knocked louise down to the ground with just a bump, great leader you fools have there!

Mike

Mmmm, Ok, I gave you wee chance there to save face and at least pretend to be a bit clever but ya blew it. Yes, yes national socialist party, a name they chose early on to attract the working classes to their cause. So what, they still held far right-wing beliefs and are therefore Right-fucking-wing. You are the dumb fuck for not understanding the difference.
Never been to a rally, don’t know or care who the fuck Louise is. Is she something to do with antifa? I’ve already said the far left are just as irritating as you lot. You should all join forces, you’re not as different as you think, yer all cunts.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Give your head a shake if you think for one second I care what you think about me or anything else for that matter. They are actually left wing, kiddo. Educate yourself. You are so fucking gullible that you get spoon fed by leftist commie media and are too dumb to think for yourself. No wonder you antifa nancy’s get pushed around are so fucking stupid you call anything right of centre a Nazi. Stupid fucks you all are. No wonder you can’t even do a push up or your laundry. Yeah, louise is with antifa nancy’s, you can probably find it on youtube. I get it, you don’t like cunts. Continue to enjoy all those cocks.
XBOX WON X, jump in!

Mike

Mmm.. so the right wing Nazis are actually left wing Nazis and I’m getting spoon fed by leftist media..who must be Nazis..oh I am confused. Maybe I am the dumb one after all. Or maybe you don’t make any fucking sense whatsoever.

I can’t do my laundry??? Man that’s the most cutting jibe yet, that really hurts. Well done for thinking outside the box on that one, at least you’re trying now. You really got me there. I’m almost upset. Man, I am gonna dwell on that one all week long.
Yeah well, whatever. Why do you keep saying XBOX WON X, jump in? It’s really weird.

XboxRules

Only ones calling them right wing are the leftist commie faggots like the antifa nancy’s. The Nazi’s are socialists go Bing it, kiddo. No maybe about it, you are the dumb one.

XBOX WON X, jump in!

Mike

Right, left who cares. Socialist in name only, not in policy. I won’t Bing it because I might find all the that Neo-Nazi gay porn torrents seeding from your hard drive. But I did AltaVista that Louis women. Are you claiming to be the guy who punched her? You can add ‘deluded fantasist’ to your long list of personality defects. The guy on the picture I saw didn’t look like a fat tub of lard.

XboxRules

mike gaylor Nazi’s were socialists, you dumb fuck. Go Bing it and educate yourself. Obviously you found the wrong louise, you dumb fuck and I never said “punch” either, you illiterate cock whore. Go eat a meal, do your laundry and think about being able to do a push up one day.
XBOX WON X, jump in!

Mike

True socialists are supposed to take care of the disabled, the elederly and the poor. Nazis solved such “problems” by sending what they considered to be a drain on society to the gas chamber. You wouldn’t have lasted five minutes in Nazi Germany you fat, wheezing useless cunt. Straight to to the death camps for you. Oh yeah, must’ve been that other Louise right enough(??). So what is it you’re so proud about, knocking a girl to the ground? Very brave of you, a 20 stone fat fuck like you taking on an 8 stone young girl. I bet you barely even had to wheeze your overworked lungs afterwards.

XboxRules

mike gaylor The Nazis were socialists, go Bing it. Educate yourself. I wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes, eh? Sprechen sie deutch? You fucking little antifa nancy, learn to do a push up. I get it, you don’t like cunts. Enjoy taking all those dicks, you filthy cock whore. Where did I say louise was a real girl? You illiterate fuck. You probably live on that dreary island north of france. Enjoy another gray day. XBOX WON X, jump in!

Mike

I get it, you like to repeat the same joke over, and over, and over again. You witless moron.
Typing “sprechen sie Deutsch” isn’t proof that you speak German you dull twat besides the ability to speak German wouldn’t save a useless fuck like you from the chamber, pretty much everybody they sent there spoke perfect German. Answer me this fatty Arbuckle, how do you manage to do a push up when your massive gut stops your podgy stump arms from reaching the ground? You’d wriggle around like a distressed tortoise on its back.
You did say you knocked down a girl called Louise. Twice you mentioned her it as if real. Louise wasn’t a real girl? Christ almighty (steady…don’t bite, it’s just an expression) what was it? Some sort weird Neo-Nazi role play thing where you dress up as girls, knock each other over and start sucking each other off. See, I knew you had a gay side. Do you feel better now that you’ve come right out and admitted it? I’m glad I helped you.

XboxRules

mike gaylor I never told any jokes, you illiterate faggot.

I asked if you spoke German, you fucking retard.

My great uncle ran the chamber, moron.

No, I never said louise was a real girl. There are only two genders and hermaphrodites, you stupid antifa nancy fag. Only one who claims it’s a real “her” is YOU.

No, you are a joke… blah blah blah, you boring fat fuck.
The only thing your great uncle ran was his cock up your arse. Oh look, you have brought me down to your gutter level.
Why are you so obsessed with watching men doing push-ups? Doesn’t that seem a bit homoerotic to you? Is that what the Nazi obsession is about as well, all the leather and moustaches yeah? Yup. All the signs are there, you keep giving me little clues. Raped by an elderly relative at a young age, obsessed with men working out, outwardly hating that which you secretly wish you could be. Perhaps underneath that fat, blubbery exterior is a svelte, raging homo ready to start exploring his new world of homosexual discovery. You know it’s true, don’t deny it now.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You’re just a skinny little antifa nancy faggot. Powerless to do anything to anybody. All you do is bend over for your two dads. You’re too fucking weak to even do a push up. You’re so angry because you get beat up at the bus stop every day.

Mike

Skinny, yeah, as in the opposite of a fat lumbering, heart attack waiting to happen, with festering gammy legs from the decades of untreated Type 2 diabetes. You can’t even get to the bus stop because your mobility scooter can’t handle the excess weight.
Because you are 50+ in both age and waist size you are perhaps starting to realise with your age and health status that your life span is rather more transient than you would hope. Despite this, instead of trying to turn things around for the remaining year(s) you choose to act and talk like an incandescent teenager on the verge of a shopping mall massacre, and have achieved precisely fuck all with your life apart the proud ownership of an Xbox (WON X no less, hey, jump in, whatever the fuck that means) and an 8K VR headset. Yay, back on topic again. Hey, played any good VR games lately buddy? I hear Wolfensteins coming out on the Occulus, get to shoot dem pesky Nazis. Lots of things coming out…geddit…coming out….like you…cos your coming out of the clos…oh never mind.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You’re skinny as in weak and a victim of abuse at the bus stop. Most likely an AIDS victim type skinny. You should also get that cancer checked out although the AIDS will probably take you first. It must suck you’ll be dead before you accomplish anything in your faggot life. Yeah, I play iRacing in VR something you’re not good enough to play. Only one “c” in Oculus, dummy. Get educated. I only like the games where you get to play as a Nazi.

Mike

Ah, the spelling thing again, next it’ll be another cutting remark about how I can’t do laundry. Another sleepless night for me worrying about all that laundry I can’t get done. Spelling and ineffective laundry. Best put downs ever.

XboxRules

mike gaylor I get it, spelling doesn’t matter to you because it’s too hard. I don’t need to put you down, you do a fantastic job of that yourself.

Mike

Took you 5 days to come up with that shit. You’ll never come up with better material than that laundry bit. Comedy gold.

XboxRules

mike gaylor No, I wanted you to sit at your keyboard waiting for five days, you no life faggot.

Mike

Not been on a keyboard for one single post I’ve made, time to turn those Disqus notifications off and block you though. You are the sad fat, sweaty fuck who spends all of his waking hours sat in front of his pc trolling all and sundry. You took five days because your 40 watt brain can’t think of anything clever to say.

XboxRules

mike gaylor You’re probably posting with your Stephen Hawking’s straw from your wheelchair. You useless, skinny, weak, disabled, fucking faggot. Who spends his days getting beat up at the bus stop. Glad you waited there for five days, you no life antifa nancy, commie. Get fucking educated.

Mike Taylor

You were able to surmise that you are neither funny or clever. Well done, the penny finally drops in your 40 watt brain. Now take your bow and fuck off back to 4chan where you belong.

Tommy

Provide a link where you claim that they are currently developing for VR and I will concede. Otherwise, you should shut the fuck up and go back under your bridge.

XboxRules

I don’t give a fuck what you do, retard. You can just know how retarded you are when it gets the official announcement. Keep on trolling, faggot.

Tommy

How old are you? You sound 12

XboxRules

Then respect your elders, kiddo. Any sounds you hear are in your own head, retard.

Tommy

Shhhhh, let the grown ups talk now.

Tommy

I’m pretty sure you don’t know what the word elder means, little boy

XboxRules

timmy The fact that I used it correctly says I do know what it means, kiddo. Get educated.

timmy powerless queers like you have no authority to decide who wins, you can only lose, fag face.

Tommy

This fag face just owned you, little boy

XboxRules

timmy I’m white, fag face. You can’t own whites. Get educated, kiddo.

Tommy

So you’re an asshole and a racist. Good to know.

XboxRules

timmy Ahh, are you a little antifa nancy snowflake? Are you triggered? I live in a country where I have the freedom to think whatever the fuck I want.

Mike Taylor

I’m guessing xboxrules is in his mid forties, probably fat, and still living in his moms basement playing video games all day, stuffing pizza and Doritos into his scabby fat mouth. He wears a red MAGA hat all the time and calls everyone snowflakes. He’s a vile, racist and homophobic c*nt of low intelligence as revealed by many of his posts on here.

Tommy

Sounds about right. I started giving him shit so he would leave others alone. Then I grew bored of him :)
I think it bothered him more that he didn’t bother me than anything I actually said to him

Tommy

I feel sorry for you

XboxRules

timmy Stuff your sorry’s in a sock, kiddo.

Andrew Jakobs

uhm last official post by microsoft was that they didn’t think the xbox one x is capable of bringing VR to the livingroom (and yet before they released the X they actually mentioned VR to be one of it’s features).
And ah the PS4 is over before it even began, oh which one was outselling the other one? right, the SONY PS4 series is outselling the Microsoft xbox one series, again like with last generation and the generation before that..
You’re nothing more than a dumb fanboy who needs to educate himself before telling others to do so..
And sorry to disappoint you, but the current MR headsets are just VR headsets, nothing more, nothing less..

XboxRules

What kind of idiot are you? VR games have been in development for quite a while for the XBOX WON X. I don’t give a shit about sales, what the fuck do I care what orientals play on? I can’t play sales, I can only play games and XBOX WON X has the BEST games. You must be a shareholder and not a gamer, retard. MR HMD’s have built in tracking, dummy. Educate yourself.

Andrew Jakobs

oh please tell me which ‘best’ games does the xbox have that I cannot play on the PC or PS4? I CAN tell you that you can’t play Uncharted 4 (or the rest of the Uncharted collection) on the xbox lost x, nor can you play God of war or Horizon zero dawn or Detroit: Become Human or The Last Guardian.
And where did I say the MR headsets didn’t have any tracking? I said “they are just VR headsets”, maybe you should educate yourself on what a VR headset entails, tracking is part of the headSET (so for me the camera’s for the Rift and the lighthouse basestations for the Vive are part of ‘the headset’).
I don’t see any relation to why you would call me a shareholder.. I AM a gamer..

XboxRules

andrew jakobs I don’t give a fuck what you play. I need XBOX WON X for online play WITHOUT all the fucking cheaters that I see on my PC when I game online. I need XBOX WON X to play Red Dead Redemption in 4K. When Read Dead Redemption 2 comes out I will need my XBOX WON X to play it in native 4K. I need my XBOX to play all the Halo’s and most every Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon. I could easily play unsharted, dog of bore, borizon hero fawn, detroit not for humans or worst guardian IF I WANTED TO. Listing those shit games isn’t sweetening the pot, kiddo. They aren’t just VR HMD’s, they’re MR HMD’s that have built in tracking, fucked face. Built in means you don’t need all that extraneous garbage, you uneducated fucking retard. You talk about sales, you can’t play sales. You must be a shareholder not a gamer. Hey sales kid, do you drive a shitty honda civic while listening to justin bieber? Eh, sales boy?

Andrew Jakobs

RDR2 won’t be native 4K on the xbox one x (it will have dynamic resolution), but it still will look awesome on it (so will it on the PS4 pro). VR headset doesn’t mean it won’t have ‘built in tracking’, there are VR headsets out that do have built in tracking. Also the problem with MR headsets is the controllers, they are only tracked within the sight of line of the camera’s on the MR headset (outside it will interpolate it, which is never really as secure as tracking), also inside out tracking of the MR headsets is quite good, but it still isn’t as good as the outside in tracking of the Rift or Vive.
Please tell us what kind of car you drive, and I’m pretty sure you’re gonna lie about what kind of car you actually drive. With the way to talk I wonder if you’re even old enough to have a driverslicense..
PS, I don’t drive a honda civic. and I’m not a sales boy. And I don’t need a xbox one x for playing rdr2, halo or forza, as I’ll use my PC for that.

XboxRules

RDR2 is 1920×2160 on the oriental console, what a fucking pathetic joke of a console. It will be native 4K on XBOX WON X just like Red Dead Redemption is native 4K on XBOX WON X, I know, I own the game. I popped in my XBOX 360 disc and for FREE my XBOX WON X auto downloaded the 4K digital version. MS Windows 10 supports MR HMD’s and ALL MR HMD’s have built in tracking, get educated. I already have an 8K wireless HMD as well as the Oculus DK2 I bought when it was first offered for $350 many years ago.

What the fuck does my car have to do with this? I’ll tell you one thing, it isn’t the leader in sales, kiddo. Why don’t you come into iRacing or Forza 7 and we’ll see who the better driver is? You can’t play RDR2, RDR, Forza 1,2,3,4,5,6 ,Horizon 1,2,3, Halo Anniversary, Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo 4, Halo 5, Master Chief Collection, on your PC. I know, I have a few PC’s, kiddo. You’re so stupid you can’t even see that RDR2 lists XBOX and no PC at the end of the trailer. PC gets left out again, just like it did the first time around.

XboxRules

I realise you are incorrect and cvouldn’t be more incorrect and XBOX ONE X just destroys your weak oriental console.
If MR HMD’s weren’t coming to XBOX ONE X they wouldn’t making AAA games for it, you tool.

Sky Hoover

Your right however Microsoft really needs to put out some kind of statement just to let us know we haven’t been swept under the carpet

XboxRules

MS will announce when its ready not 5 years in advance like that oriental console

XboxRules

MS announce things when they’re ready, not 5 years in advance like that oriental console company.

Sky Hoover

Whatever form it comes in it’s still vr
And after way to many disappointments I’ll never go back to Nintendo or PlayStation.

Andrew Jakobs

oh please stop being a fanboy (you’re tag says it all), and it’s 3M not 2M. And those 1080p displays are excellent (IMHO they are just as good as the ones in the vive/rift, especially since the vive/rift have the awful godrays which the PSVR doesn’t). And there aren’t many full AAA games in VR on the PC, maybe a few more than actually available on the Playstation 4..
And the power of the Xbox one X isn’t the powerhouse you make it to be, yes it’s a bit faster than the PS4 Pro, but not even that much. Don’t expect miracles from it in regard for VR.
oh and you’re wrong in them announcing when things are ready and not in advance, as in regard to VR they said a long time ago they would be supporting it, but not from the initial release, but later they said the wouldn’t.
And what has Sony announced ‘5 years in advance’ that they haven’t released?

Stop being such a sissy fanboy, because no matter how much you think that box is the best console, it’s the playstation 4 that’s the winner, xbox one doesn’t even come close to the ammount of consoles sold.
(Both are excellent consoles, both have their pro’s and con’s)

sfmike

I think XboxRules is actually lying Donald Trump in disguise. Funny and sad he doesn’t realize that the “foreign” console is made in China like most everything else today.

kool

Or the domestic console is made in Mexico!

Sky Hoover

Yes Microsoft please vr for one x at least say something about it

Sky Hoover

Hay out there has anyone tried hooking up a Windows MR headset to the One X I know it wouldn’t play vr but would it display in cinema mode ? Like the psvr dose.

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Very disappointed in Microsoft for skipping VR on XBox One X. Probably would not have purchased my X if they had been honest about it from the beginning. Hopefully they get their act together by 2020 and the XBOX Two.

MosBen

Same here. I picked mine up a few months ago during an Ebay 20% off sale, so I got a pretty good deal on it, but I was also really hoping to hear something about VR at E3. I wasn’t likely to pick up a PS4 at this point; I’ve made my console bed and am satisfied with it. But it is a disappointing move, made worse by the fact that they are being so cagey about what their plan is.

VR4EVER

It still puzzles me. I was about to purchase also the one X just for upgrading to a better console VR than my PSVR. But the message became even clearer so I dropped my standard PS4 and upgraded to the Pro and after they announced that they have no interrest in VR, I lost mine in Xbox.
Could‘ve been easy money for Microsoft: they had a powerful console, windows headsets, Oculus Rift was even delivered with the controller in its early days and developers could easily port their VR titles to the „most powerful“ console.

Well, they neglected a chance, imo. Now its too late.

Andrew Jakobs

Well, it shouldn’t be that hard for MS to support it, they already have people buying MR-headsets and I wouldn’t be suprised if the Xbox one (X) already supports MR itself (though not publicly available).

Ura Dumass

Old school gamer. I’m 55 and I have psvr and psPro just BECAUSE of vr! Spending my retirement in virtual reality!

deadkat37

hope to join you in the not too distant future!

gothicvillas

Same here. Been gaming for the past 30 years and VR is what keeps me excited.

VR4EVER

Same here, although 46. live long and prosper!

sfmike

Microsoft is always behind the curve as their only priority is to insure they make billions each quarter for their investors. If you can’t convince the board that VR will impact the bottom line in a real meaning full way from the start then you do not get the permission to proceed with new tech. The whole investment rush to VR has certainly cooled as investors have not seen the quick return on their investments forecast to them two years ago. Plus their marketing is quite lame. At the Microsoft Store pictured below you can see their display of HMDs that are shown but none were set up to test nor was their anyone on staff to that could help you demo them. They did have one Oculus setup connected to a monitor but is was off and I was again told no one their was authorized to demo it. This kind of lack luster marketing does not promote tech. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6ba260d6838b65852e320c92ca31c8c7db010fc5db76bd976071c368243e1bc.jpghttps://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec2b707e1abaea0f168188d4b14cb892642961e1e8bb07e036d7ab83d6fb65cd.jpg

benz145

The point of this article is that Microsoft increasingly can’t ignore this space given the revenue Sony is seeing from it. $1 billion might not be that much for Microsoft overall, but it’s not an insignificant number for their Xbox division, especially because there’s there’s additional lost revenue from users who are buying PS4 over Xbox One because of the possibility of VR, even if those users ultimately don’t buy a PSVR.

deadkat37

Wow – a lot of comments in this thread I can relate to, and a lot I disagree with.

At 51, I started gaming on a ZX81 and have been dreaming of VR gaming since the early 90s ‘false dawn’.

I was a huge Microsoft fanboy for the X360 and bought the Xbox One on day one, but quickly decided that the PS4 was the better platform for this generation.

The PSVR was the icing on the cake (pre-ordered) and the Xbox One has been gathering dust ever since – even for multi platform games that *might* have VR content down the line.

On the back of Oculus Studio exclusives and comments like ‘the only real VR is on PC’ (see below) I upgraded my PC and bought a Rift a couple of months ago and was underwhelmed by the difference in VR quality.

Don’t get me wrong, the Rift is great – and I can see the improvement from the underlying processing power – but I strongly disagree with anyone who says that the PSVR is not a ‘proper’ VR experience.

If only Sony had invested in dedicated VR motion controllers like Touch, the differences would have been too close to call.

Troy Marcel

I don’t give a crap about vr, its expensive and has to many wires to make you feel really immersed. Xbox doesn’t need a gimmick, you need good hardware and even better games.

gothicvillas

Are you out of your mind? VR is the best what has happened to gaming in the recent years.

VR4EVER

Let me guess: you never tried highend VR…?

Troy Marcel

Nope because i don’t care about VR.

VR4EVER

OMG! – what are you doing on a VR related website other than lamenting that you give a crap about VR? Let me guess again: trolling?

Troy Marcel

Because I saw the article saying Xbox has to do something. If they do come out with a vr headset I won’t buy it.

impurekind

Good stuff for Sony there.

Nothing to see here

I passed on the XBox One X when VR was unannounced for the platform. I would buy one though if MS ever changes its mind. My guess is that we will have to wait for XBox Two or whatever they call it in 2020. I don’t think the XBox One X has enough video ports for VR. They would probably have to add that new VR USB C plug and/or wireless VR neither of which is supported on the XBox One X.

care package

MS isn’t concerned from a revenue standpoint. They just reported out of the 110 billion profit from the fiscal year, 10 billion of it was Xbox. MS’s cash cow will be game pass, if it isn’t already. Basically going to end up the Netflix for gaming. My guess is we won’t see VR on Xbox until next gen.

Toby Zuijdveld

I agree. If they launched a VR solution this generation they’d have to have an exceptional launch line up of exceptional quality AND quantity in order to have even a hope of scratching the well established market. They’ve left it too long.

care package

Xbox2 for sure, especially with the new usb-c standard. With that and inside out tracking, VR is literally one tiny port away

XboxRules

Your version of reality doesn’t interest me, kiddo. 1080p VR doesn’t interest me, kiddo. You can’t even spell “through”. I don’t give a fuck what you weaboos like. You couldn’t feed yourself without a bib.

Andrew Jakobs

the xbox one x isn’t capable of doing VR in anything higher than 1080p. But I guess you have you own reality, because you certainly don’t live in the reality we all live in (most of the time).
The way you talk here doesn’t give us the impression that you’re either serious or mature.. Maybe you should stop being so childish and educate yourself into the world of VR, games and consoles, than you might know that specs doesn’t always make the best headset/console.

XboxRules

I’m referring to the 1080p PHYSICAL resolution of the oriental consoles HMD, you fucking moron.That’s SDE city. The XBOX WON X GPU is actually capable of rendering at least 1440p VR. I have a PC I built 6 years ago that can run 1080p VR using an overclocked Radeon 7870 with 8GB system RAM and 2GB GDDR5. It’s you who should get an education as I’v had VR longer than you since I owned one before they were even on the retail market, you know, thos things called DEVELOPERS KIT? Ever heard of that? If you knew anything you’d know that 1080p screens will NEVER make the best headset and the best specs do make the best console, MS proved that.

Andrew Jakobs

Have you actually seen the PSVR in reality? yes it’s 1080p but it’s much MUCH better than the DK2 (which I also own). Now I really wonder how old you are…. Just for you information, I own a VR headset since 1995 (Forte VFX-1), hell I even have an older headset than that (CyberMaxx), and I also own some ‘newer’ headsets (but much older than the DK2 or DK1), VR headsets have been around (even retail) for longer than Oculus produced the DK1..
I never said the 1080p screens make the best headset, but the visuals from the PSVR is very good for it’s price and has excellent lenses, and the SDE is even not as obvious as with the DK2, but that’s due to the displays itself. So I do know something, but I’m a realist and I come from a background where we had VR headsets with 240×120 displays per eye, and so I grew up with small increases in resolution which makes me not a spec-horny lowlife and appreciate the increases in resolution. Ofcourse I would like to have 4K per eye with non-fresnel lenses and a FOV of 240 degrees and wireless and the best inside out tracking that works with all surfaces, but I’m realistic, and as I said coming from a background with very low specs (which were high for those times) VR I appreciate the current headsets as they are.

I really wonder what your age is, I have a hard time believing it’s 20+…..

XboxRules

Don’t bore me with ancient 1080p spec’d hardware. I had that 6 years ago. I’ve moved on to 8K wireless. 263×230 res with 45° FOV and 256 colours is hardly a VR experience. My DK2 was CHEAPER than the oriental consoles HMD so it’s NOT good for the price. The SDE is obvious, it’s based on screen density ppi.
You’re probably so young you think nintendo invented or innovated something. I have a hard time believing your eyesight isn’t damaged if you think 1080p doesn’t show SDE.

Andrew Jakobs

Now you’re being really funny, haha… Now I know you’re just full shit. if you believe the DK2 to be better visuals than the PSVR, haha.. The PSVR has way better visuals then the DK2, and i never said it doesn’t show SDE, but isn’t that bad as some people make it out..
You really have no idea what you’re talking about if you think the old headsets weren’t VR experiences.. ahwel, I grew up were we thought 2 bars and a bouncing pixel was fun.. So if you’re talking about me being so young………. I rather think you’re the one that’s very young (or you’re getting demented which is why you can’t behave/talk like a normal person).

XboxRules

You’re full of funny shit. I know how bad 1080p is for SDE it’s horrendous that’s why they try to make most the demos they call games on the oriental console so dark in an attempt to mask it.
You think only you experienced pong, kiddo? My first console was a Coleco Telstar. Hockey, tennis, handball. It’s sad your visual acuity is so bad you can’t see how bad the SDE is on a 1080p HMD. Just sad.

Andrew Jakobs

I guess you’re just a very big snob if you think the SDE on the PSVR is horrendous, it’s much less than on the DK2 (that’s something I was very suprised by). But then again, I don’t concentrate on the SDE, I concentrate on the actual game and look past the technical limitations.. But as I said, you’re nothing but a snob who don’t know jack himself. Maybe you should try to find some help in regard how you act online, it’s certainly not the behaviour of a normal person in his 40’s..

XboxRules

andrew jacobs I just have much better visual acuity than you. It’s a shame you couldn’t have guessed that instead. I changed the lenses on my DK2 so don’t compare your experience to mine. Why would you need to concentrate on SDE? It’s blatantly obvious unless everything is dark. Maybe you should find some help for your grammar.

Andrew Jakobs

Why would I need help with my grammar, it isn’t really that much worse than yours, except it’s your native language, not mine.
Ah so I cannot compare the standard DK2 to the standard PSVR in a discussion about SDE, and to me (with my experience with SDE on older headsets) the SDE of the PSVR isn’t distracting when you’re playing the actual games. but then again, I’m not a snob and graphicswhore, I’m a realist, and just sees what the current hardware is what it is, good for this generation (but ofcourse crap compared to next generation, but there really isn’t actual next generation yet). Also low resolution doesn’t have to mean very visible SDE, the 1280×720 per eye of the Avegant Glyph proved that (even though that’s technically not a real VR-headset), but ofcourse that’s a crap device for you, because it isn’t MS xbox LOOSE x or one of your other favorite fanboy toys…

XboxRules

My grammar is fine, yours is not. Maybe you should go to site that is in your native language, that’s what I do. SDE is based upon the PPI and 1080p is 1080p and it sucks for SDE.
Your visual acuity just isn’t very good don’t assume everyone has the same eyesight problems as you. Do me a favour and go fuck yourself, you weeb fangirl.

Andrew Jakobs

SDE is NOT based on PPI, it’s based on the technique that’s used to put pixels onto the silicone, and at the moment it’s hard to put pixels on silicone and having them perfectly against each other without a little gap, and using that technique the SDE get’s less when you have smaller pixels, but there are other ways to display pixels without the need for having a high resolution and still have no SDE (but mostly they are much more expensive). You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
And no your grammar isn’t fine, and there is no RoadToVR in my native language..
And I don’t have a problem with my eyesight, it’s just that I don’t have a problem with a bit of SDE, I’m not a snob like you. But you certainly have a big problem with your personality, I advise you to get some counseling. If there is someone who is a fanboy than it certainly is you, you’re blinded by your ‘xbox won x’, because it certainly hasn’t ‘won’…..

XboxRules

SDE is entirely based on PPI considering pixels are square and it’s the border around them that causes SDE. You’re a fucking retard, get educated. My grammar is fine, that’s why you can’t quote any problems with it, kiddo. You do have a problem with your eyesight, that’s why you can’t see SDE on a 1080p display. It’s OBVIOUS to people with proper eyesight. Get a new personality, kiddo. Yours is boring.
XBOX WON X has already won, jump in!

Andrew Jakobs

Your the one that isn’t educated on the subject. SDE is caused by the space between pixels, but that space is due to the technique used to produce those displays, which with the technology used they cannot put them next to each other without a gap. If you use technology that makes it possible to put the pixels next to echt other without a gap, then there wouldn’t be any SDE, but that technology is very expensive. With the current technology used, you need to upper the PPI to make the space less visible.
And again, I never said I don’t see SDE on the current 1080p displays, I just said I’m not bothered by it. And again, the stock DK2 is way worse on SDE than the PSVR, which for it’s price is an excellent headset.
And only in the mind of an obnoxious fanboy has the xbox one x already won, in reality it hasn’t (but you never know for the near future).

XboxRules

If I was the one who wasn’t educated then I wouldn’t be correcting you on using “YOUR” when you should be using “YOU’RE”, dummy. Get educated.

XBOX WON X has already won, jump in!

Andrew Jakobs

Look, there you go again with your incorrect assessments, you haven’t corrected me on using “YOUR” and “YOU’RE”, you don’t even know who you’re talking to, or have been talking to. ahwel, real pathetic fanboys like you, always get your facts wrong, only being blinded by your fanboy-ism..

XboxRules

My correcting you is still posted above, kiddo. You fangirls sure are dumb as well as blind. Get educated, kiddo.

Andrew Jakobs

I think YOU are the one who needs to read back to whom you corrected on the “YOUR” and “YOU’RE”.. You really are a moron.

XboxRules

“Your the one that isn’t educated on the subject. SDE is caused by the space between pixels, but that space is due to the technique ”

You fucking simpleton, I even cut and pasted from your own post to prove what a fucking retard you are. Sad you were too stupid to read back yourself and I had to take a knee and do this for you. Next time simply ask a nearby adult or your parents, dummy.

Andrew Jakobs

oh god, I made one mistake, but I thought you were referring to an older post where you corrected someone else.. My god, you’re really the most obnoxious person I’ve met lately, who thinks he’s the greatest and everybody is speaking english.. if there’s someone who’s a dummy, it’ll be you.. Get a life and try to behave like your age, because most people think you’re not even 16 years old, only kids behave like you do.

XboxRules

No such thing as god, kiddo. You previously denied your error until I had to quote it for you. Again, no such thing as god that’s the second reference you’ve made to it in your first two sentences. You only speak for yourself, kiddo. Maybe when you get to 16 years old in a few years you’ll start realising that. Get educated.

Andrew Jakobs

Maybe if you got educated, you might learn how to talk normal to other people, not like an 8 year old fanboy. kiddo……

XboxRules

Says the kiddo who doesn’t know YOU’RE from YOUR. Get an education fangirl and learn to respect your elders.

Andrew Jakobs

Is that all you can do? point others on their one tiny mistake they made? You should get an education, as you would have learned you have to earn respect to get it, and you’re never gonna get respect the way you behave. ahwel, it really must bother you that Playstation is again the big winner, just like it was with previous generation, and the generation before.. so go ahead and play with your Xbox LOST x….

XboxRules

Says the kiddo who doesn’t even know YOU’RE from YOUR. That oriental console will never be the winner. It has weak shit hardware and is made for weaboos. It has trash anime faggot titles and a shit controller and a hackable, slooooooow network.
No, I’ll play on my XBOX WON X , you’re too powerless to tell anyone what to do. I’ll stick with the WHITE MAN’S console.

XboxRules

No such thing as god, kiddo. You previously denied your error until I had to quote it for you. Again, no such thing as god that’s the second reference you’ve made to it in your first two sentences. You only speak for yourself, kiddo. Maybe when you get to 16 years old in a few years you’ll start realising that. Get educated.

XboxRules

Don’t assume everyone has your eyesight problems, step 1.

Mike Taylor

Believe or not Xboxrules is in his forties yet he behaves like a prepubescent teenager spouting the type of ridiculous bile found on 4chan forums. He really is one of the most persistent and hilariously entertaining internet trolls I’ve ever encountered. I’m beginning to suspect he’s got Aspergers or something which is making me feel guilty for taking the piss out someone who clearly has some disabilities.

Andrew Jakobs

haha, I think you’re right. The man is a real nutcase.

kool

Even in your reality the xbot1x will be 1080p vr! And why are grading my grammar when your leaving out words and using incomplete sentences…

Lel ok so the hmd is going to magically make the xbot1x output 4k vr graphics or better yet windows 10? I guess yours is a meth based reality. Wtf cares about grammar in comments section. It just let’s people know you don’t have any valid points and the insults further let me know your getting fustrated. I’ve had my fun now I’m off to play some Oriental VR whilst you wait on whatever games your uncle Xbox told you to keep secret.

XboxRules

WTF is “lel”, kiddo? Are you too fucking stupid to understand that I’m talking about the PHYSICAL resolution of the HMD itself? How complicated is this for you? You still are a huge grammar fail, retard. Learn YOU’RE from YOUR, down syndrome boy. You go play some upscaled to 1080p games on your oriental console while I play some native 4K HDR titles on my XBOX WON X.

kool

OMG, your pathetic keep deflecting facts buddy. The xbot1x isn’t capable of 4k VR, doesn’t support VR, doesn’t have the install base to support VR and Ms has said it ain’t coming. All of which I got you to admit in your lame attempts at insulting me, But I’m a moron because of an apostrophe? Im off to play Oriental vr while your stuck waiting on daddy xbot’s false promises. No matter what you say you still can’t say VR is on the xbot1x. You can’t win kid, just walk away.

XboxRules

No such thing as god, kiddo. You still are too retarded to know what 1080p PHYSICAL resolution of the HMD means aren’t you? Easily has the install base to support VR kiddo. It uses Windows 10 kernel so it can support the new 8k HMD’s. MS never once said it isn’t coming, not once. You go play your 1080p VR demos full of SDE while I play my 4K HDR games on my 120″ screen, kiddo. I’ll stay right here, you powerless little queer. Nothing you can do about it.

kool

Nothing I can do? I made sure the xbot1x won’t get VR support with my Oriental powers!

XboxRules

You FAILED. There is a AAA VR title for XBOX MR HMD’s already in development. When the MR HMD’s release they will be wireless as well! Have you seen the oriental console version of RDR2 is only 1920×2160 and that oriental company lies and calls it 4K? Have fun supporting an outfit like that. How’s EA Access on the oriental platfor,,,,,,Oh, wait…. They won’t even allow their own market base to decide if it’s a good deal or not, they’ll decide for you. They treat you all like retards and you lap it up.

XboxRules

No such thing as god , kiddo. Tell me what I mean when I say 1080p PHYSICAL resolution of the HMD, kiddo? You don’t even know what I mean. You think when I say PHYSICAL resolution that I’m referring to output resolution because you don’t know the difference. XBOX WON X uses windows 10 kernel so it can be compatible with ANY Windows MR HMD that MS chooses including 8K HMD’s. I said you don’t know YOU’RE from YOUR i never said anything about an apostrophe, kiddo. You go play some lame upscaled 1080p VR demos while I play native 4K HDR AAA titles on my 120″ screen on my XBOX WON X

XboxRules

hello

stx007

First, you can’t estimate Sony’s revenue based on retail prices. Morons!
Second, it’s revenue, not earnings. Sony have been investing massively and both hardware and software is expensive to produce, plus marketing.
Third, it’s over two years. Anyone looking at the actual sales numbers can see it‘s not a success.

Toby Zuijdveld

They launched with the expectation of 1 million units sold by the end of 2017. Instead, they sold 3 million units in UNDER two years. I’m sure the product not being a runaway success is news to Sony and its shareholders.