Joe Biden 2020?

Joe Biden thinks it’s critical that Donald Trump not get a second term — and though it’s early, he doesn’t yet see anyone else who could stop that from happening.

So, he’s been telling people privately, that might mean he’ll just have to run himself.

After beginning the year both teasing a 2020 bid and ruling one out — sometimes on the same day — Biden in recent months has shifted unmistakably in favor of running, say multiple people who’ve been in touch with the former vice president and his team.

For the first time in what would be the sixth presidential campaign that he’s either seriously flirted with or launched, Biden sees an argument for a candidacy for which he is the only answer: An elder statesman who can help repair the damage and divisions in the country and around the world, unite the competing wings of the Democratic Party, and appeal to traditional Democratic voters who fled last year for Trump.

“He’s a great respecter of fate,” said one person close to the former vice president. “At some point, it may turn into fate and planning.”

Many Democrats are wary about pegging the future of the party with Biden, who will be 77 by 2020, the oldest potential candidate in the field other than Bernie Sanders. Though a clutch player in both Obama campaigns, he has proved to be bad at running for president himself, and would likely be facing a raucous and crowded primary full of candidates determined not to step aside and repeat the Hillary Clinton coronation.

Next week, Biden will launch a tour for his new book, “Promise Me, Dad,” a memoir of his relationship with his son Beau, whose death in May 2015 triggered both the last-minute exploration by Biden of a 2016 run and the emotional devastation that ultimately caused him to pull the plug.

People familiar with the planning describe the tour as deliberately structured to avoid politics. Biden’s staff is pushing off nearly every request to appear at fundraisers or other political events while he’s traveling for it.

But there’s another, more subtle purpose, some acknowledge: to test Biden’s emotional stamina, should he decide to throw himself fully into a presidential run.

“Right now, he’s pretty laser-focused on the book tour. Get through that and go see what we can do in ’18, and see where things are then,” said a person in touch with Biden’s advisers, who have stayed in close communication since leaving their government jobs in January.

On top of an already busy travel schedule, his book events will kick off with an Oprah Winfrey interview and keep him on the road through mid-December. He has stops scheduled in New York, Washington and Boston, but also Tennessee, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Texas and Michigan.

With former President Barack Obama largely sitting out politics and many Democrats wary of reaching out to the Clintons, Biden’s appeal as a party leader has grown since January. He has received at least five requests for endorsements or events each week, sources close to him say.

Biden is planning to spend the first quarter of 2018 focused on fundraising for old friends in the Senate, with possible additional appearances for state parties or directly backing House candidates. Twelve of the 14 candidates he backed in Tuesday’s election won, including a Washington state Senate race that flipped the chamber to Democrats and the Manchester, New Hampshire, mayor’s race. He also supported, Danica Roem, the transgender candidate who won a seat in the Virginia House of Delegates. Roem first met Biden after traveling to Wilmington, Delaware, for the Beau Biden wake.

Another person close to Biden stressed that his focus now is on helping elect other Democrats.

“The VP is out working furiously to support and promote Democrats at all levels because he believes the future of the party is bright,” the person said.

In op-eds and speeches, Biden has gone after Trump without mentioning him by name. He uses words like “incoherence” and “inconsistent,” and notes that many foreign leaders have reached out to him, confused by Trump’s actions.

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While some big money Democrats have been wary about pegging the future of the party with a former two-term vice president, some former Clinton donors have reached out with interest, as have former Obama donors.

“If someone emerges that the former VP believes can beat [Trump], I think he is at peace with that,” said one Biden-friendly donor. “On the other hand, if that person doesn’t exist or doesn’t run, you can expect Joe Biden to take a very serious look.”

Biden spokesman Bill Russo declined to comment.

The chatter has gotten so intense in some corners that there’s even scuttlebutt among Democratic operatives that Biden could launch his candidacy with California Sen. Kamala Harris as his running mate from Day One. People close to both of them insist that talk didn’t start with them. When Biden was exploring a 2016 bid, there was similar speculation that he would run with Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Biden has been reading articles about Trump’s dealings abroad and the Russia investigation, and getting more upset.

He outlined this thinking in a speech last week to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs peppered with projections.

“How many of you — I mean this sincerely — how many of you, when the president was elected, were either happy or bemused or a little embarrassed or not quite sure, but now are really fundamentally worried about our democracy or the prospect of an international conflict or nuclear war?” Biden said. “How many of you now, whether you voted for him or not, are beginning to wonder whether or not the very roots of the invisible moral fabric that holds everything up is eroding in a way that’s going to be dangerous for democratic institutions?”

This isn’t the first time that we’ve seen Presidential speculation swirl around the former Vice-President, of course. In addition to his failed bids for the Democratic nomination in 1988 and 2008, there was a plethora of speculation that Biden would jump into the 2016 race notwithstanding the fact that he would have been among the oldest persons ever to run for the office in American history and despite the fact that his two previous efforts ended in failure. That speculation began several years before the 2016 election, and at the time it seemed more like Biden was keeping mum on the subject mostly because he wanted to maintain some level of influence in the Democratic Party leading up to the race for the nomination but that he didn’t necessarily intend to actually run, especially if Hillary Clinton did enter the race as pretty much everyone believed that she would. After Clinton entered the race and the news reports about things such as her use of a private email server while serving as Secretary of State and the links between companies who did business with the State Department and had also made contributions to the Clinton Foundation became more of a headache for the Democrats, that speculation returned and we spent much of the fall of 2015 waiting to see if Biden would enter the race. Ultimately, of course, Biden decided he wasn’t going to enter the race and the rest, of course, is history. This also isn’t the first time there’s been speculation about Biden entering the race for the 2020 Democratic nomination. That very thing was being talked about openly as recently as this past May, and even though Biden said on the record at the time that he wasn’t running, he has kept up a fairly steady schedule that looks for all the world like someone who is at least considering the idea of entering the Presidential field for what would be a third run at the White House.

As I’ve said before, a run by Biden in 2020 seems as though it would be unlikely. As noted above, he’d be 77 years old before the race even began, and 78 years old by Inauguration Day in 2020. By the end of a hypothetical first tern, he would be 82 years old and, while one hopes that Biden lives a long and healthy life it’s clear that he’s got more days behind him than ahead of him. Does he really want to spend those days on a campaign that he well knows will be grueling, exhausting, and emotional for himself and his campaign? It’s also unclear whether he’d have the energy for such a campaign, and it’s likely that his every move would be watched for signs that he might not be physically or mentally up for the task of running for President, never mind the toll that actually serving as President should he actually win. Is Biden prepared for that? That’s something only he can answer, but at the moment at least he seems to be at least thinking about it.

Even taking all that into account, it’s fairly easy to see why Democrats might be willing to turn to Biden as the antidote to Trumpism in 2020. As I’ve noted before, there have been many Democratic insiders and political pundits who have opined that the party’s fortunes might have been different had Biden decided to challenge Clinton for the nomination and become the party’s nominee instead of her. Clinton lost in no small part because of her failure to connect with white working-class voters in states such as Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, many of whom had voted for the Obama/Biden ticket in 2008 and 2012. This is a constituency that Biden has always fared very well with, and it’s possible that he could have garnered their support in a way that Clinton failed to do. As I’ve noted before, Clinton lost the election largely because of what ended up being a very narrow loss in those upper midwest states. In fact, she would have won the election outright but for just 77,741 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Biden at the top of the ticket instead of Clinton could have pushed enough of those votes into the Democratic column to give them a narrow Electoral College victory instead of the narrow loss that they suffered one year ago.

None of this means that Biden is actually running, of course, and it certainly doesn’t mean that he could win the nomination. He certainly does seem to be entertaining the possibility, though, and the fact that he’s fast becoming the most vocal spokesman the party has against Trump and Trumpism seems like a deliberate effort on his part to put himself at the front of the pack of potential challengers. Even if he doesn’t ultimately run, he’s likely to have a big influence on who does run and on the message that the Democrats formulate in response to Trump between now and 2020. For that reason alone, Joe Biden will be someone worth paying attention to.

Let’s put aside the whole octogenarian thing for the moment. One thing I’ve noticed over the past several decades is that Dems have a habit of nominating candidates who seem to walk around with a “kick me” sign attached to their back. I know what would happen if Biden became the nominee, even if we ignore the age issue: Republicans would make him sound ridiculous. He’s always been verbose, not especially telegenic (his hair almost gives Trump a run for the money–he looks like he got plugs a long time ago before everything in back fell out, so that whenever he’s facing the camera he appears to have a full head of a hair, but then when he tilts his head ever so slightly, we’re shocked to find he’s got NOTHING in back), and he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. The right (with some help from late-night comedians) have had some success in painting him as a buffoon.

I remember three things from his 2008 debate with Sarah Palin: (1) The same windy, evasive answer over his vote for Iraq War authorization that John Kerry had given four years prior (2) Slipping for a moment by claiming he supported benefits for “couples in a same-sex marriage,” at a time when it was still verboten for national Democrats to hold that position (3) A very human moment in which he got a little wet-eyed while remembering losing a wife and kid in an auto accident.

He is, of course, far more popular than Hillary Clinton. But then, Hillary Clinton used to be very popular. These things are not set in stone. As we learned in the past few years, getting into the spotlight can be a very powerful way of highlighting a pol’s weaknesses.

I have nothing against Biden, but I think it’s high time for a new generation to take the reins – or at least someone who won’t be an octogenarian while in office. There are 320 million people in this country, surely the Democrats can find a younger compelling candidate to run.

One plus for him, though. He manages to be able to turn off and on both eloquence and the common touch when he wants to. As such, he’s a better natural politician than any Democratic nominee in my memory except Obama and Bill Clinton.

I don’t think he will get the nomination if he runs. For all of his many fine qualities, Joe Biden is very, very Vice Presidential — he would make a fine caretaker President if something happened to the President, and might even outshine that hypothetical dead President in office, but he doesn’t have the showmanship and the energy America wants to vote for.

This is why I support Clooney/Biden 2020. America wants someone like George Clooney. America needs someone like Joe Biden.

I am still disappointed that Obama didn’t resign a day early. Not only would we have had a glorious Joe Biden presidency, but it also would ruined all of the stationary and invitations referring to Donald Trump as the 45th President of the United States.

We do not need a second term of Cheeto-Dick, and we don’t need a first term of Biden.
I love Biden…he was probably the MVVP ever. (Most Valuable Vice President)
But we need him in 2020 like we needed Clinton in 2012…not at all.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Bannon is simply–or maybe not so simply–a troll, in the classical sense of an evil spirit who enjoys creating chaos and destruction for their own sake. He said he wanted to “burn it all down,” and I believe him.

Bannon, according to Vanity Fair anyway, doesn’t think Trump will last more than four years. If that’s true, then he wouldn’t be promoting Cuban because he considers Cuban to be eminently beatable by Trump.

I’d vote for him. And to whoever said he shouldn’t run because the Republicans will smear him: the Repubs will smear anyone who runs, no matter who it is. The only question is whether they can take it and fight back. Lord knows Dems are suckers for this kind of nonsense.

Biden is showing the same kind of ego now that propelled him to plagiarize Kinnock’s speech in 1988 and propelled Hillary to whatever “it’s my turn in the spotlight” ego trip that resulted in crowding out other qualified candidates on the Democratic Party side in 2015. And it will have the same result. Somebody save Joe from karma–please!

Biden is showing the same kind of ego now that propelled him to plagiarize Kinnock’s speech in 1988 and propelled Hillary to whatever “it’s my turn in the spotlight” ego trip that resulted in crowding out other qualified candidates on the Democratic Party side in 2015.

What happened in 2015 was that almost no Democrats wanted to run, either out of deference to Clinton or out of fear of her. I don’t think that will be the case with Biden. Indeed, my biggest concern about 2020 is that there will be such a huge number of candidates that it will create a logjam, enabling someone surprising to eke out a victory through plurality wins alone–which is more or less what happened with Trump.

Much is made of McCain not running a great campaign and losing in ’08 when the fact is that after the glow wore off the Iraq war and the economy tanked, any D would have beaten any R. If Trump makes it for most of four years, we may have a similar situation. In that case @Jen: will be right and anyone with aspirations will run, in which case I’d hope for a nominee who can define and lead the future of the party.

On the other hand maybe @ Gustopher: is right and Dems should follow the example of Reagan and Trump and name an entertainer to front for the party. Clooney’s good, or Oprah.

But I love Joe Biden and if he ends up leading the ticket, I’d eagerly support him.

@Kylopod: All that Hillary had to do was live by her word after leaving the State Department when she answered the question “are you running” with “no.” Unfortunately, everybody knew that was a lie. The rest is history, and a Trump electoral college victory.

Johnson looks good – energetic, popular, a uniter, has the attractability factor way over any other candidate. And not part of the Washington scene. But is he just talking?
“I’m walking, can’t you see, I’m talking about you and me, and I’m hopin’ you’ll come back to me”( the late,
amazing Fats Domino)

Hillary Clinton’s public approval numbers were sky-high when she left State. People need to remember that, because it was that, combined with her previous run and lifetime of political connections that made her seem untouchable. It wasn’t just that people were “afraid” of her. She really, really DID look like a truly formidable candidate.

What’s amazing to me is that people always ask questions like this. “Viable candidates” doesn’t only include those at the absolute center of attention right after the previous election concludes. In fact, it’s notable that the last three Democratic presidents–Obama, Clinton, and Carter–had virtually no national profile just one cycle before they ran. (That differs from the GOP, where it’s very common to nominate candidates who had run in a previous cycle–Romney, McCain, Dole, Bush Sr., Reagan.) In the aftermath of 2000, I don’t remember hearing one person suggest John Kerry as the front-runner for 2004. For a while, Joe frikkin’ Lieberman led the polls.

We are only a year after the last election. There is still time for a field to jell.