Thanks guys, really looking forward to this. I started dosing yesterday to get in my system as soon as possible. I wasn't able to hit the gym today, but it was ok very active with stuff. I can't wait to hit gym Monday for some chest. I'm gonna be eating good this weekend. Went to the store today and loaded up!

Thanks man! Wow, that sounds like one killer stack. I want to know how that goes.

Well if your implying running them for 60 at the same time I'd have to ask around. That would be killer though. But right now it looks like alpha for 30, the epi-v for 30, while running 550-xd the whole time along with thermadex.

Well if your implying running them for 60 at the same time I'd have to ask around. That would be killer though. But right now it looks like alpha for 30, the epi-v for 30, while running 550-xd the whole time along with thermadex.

If you are talking stack I would lean towards 550 Epi-v is for finishing/peaking...

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Yeah I figured that DW that's why I'm going with my original plan of alpha-30, epi-v-30, 550xd-60, thermadex-60. I will definitely log it airrock so don't worry we will all know how it goes.

I really like that plan, just position yourself to be ready to peak at the end... so if you start a reasonably low body fat you will be ripped at the end of this. Epi-v dries you out, leans you up and makes your hard. Don't waste it if you are going to stay at higher body fat just set yourself up to succeed.

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I really like that plan, just position yourself to be ready to peak at the end... so if you start a reasonably low body fat you will be ripped at the end of this. Epi-v dries you out, leans you up and makes your hard. Don't waste it if you are going to stay at higher body fat just set yourself up to succeed.

Nope I generally plan on staying pretty lean. I want to put lean mass on alpha and the. Shred it up on epi-v. I swear not trying to high jack airrock.

Nope I generally plan on staying pretty lean. I want to put lean mass on alpha and the. Shred it up on epi-v. I swear not trying to high jack airrock.

Yah sorry if we get into this too much but it's good info... I will be starting at around 6-8% body fat for my 16 week prep so I am trying to decide weather I can afford to eat above maintenance for the first 4 weeks and put on a few lbs. With 550 in the mix I could probably do this and still burn a tiny bit of fat. 550 is very good for recomp.

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Yah sorry if we get into this too much but it's good info... I will be starting at around 6-8% body fat for my 16 week prep so I am trying to decide weather I can afford to eat above maintenance for the first 4 weeks and put on a few lbs. With 550 in the mix I could probably do this and still burn a tiny bit of fat. 550 is very good for recomp.

Agreed DW, I think with 550xd and thermadex the first 30 on alpha should be not fat gain just pure lean muscle. Also agree on this is good info especially for airrock for your future run.

glad to see more people getting on board wth this . it should be intersting to see what happen with differnent age groups . Dream you guys could do a broad specturm of dosaging for that. great info all around.

Right now I am looking at 4-1alpha and 4 550 ed and see how that feels make adjustments for a second 4 weeks so 8 weeks all tolled and then I will run Epi-v with either osta or maybe some m-sten... still working it out.

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During Hack squats my quad/IT band in my right leg was feeling tight (like it has been) So i took it easy. Went with more a pump and did some negatives with the leg press. I think next week I'll go with just hamstrings a flutes and let the quad heal up completely before I aggravate it again. Looking forward to nights with the foam roller.