I hope this one has more varied terrain. That was my biggest knock on GTA 4. In San Andreas, I could get on a bicycle and pedal it down a crazy mountain, but in the last one my one option was getting stuck in NY traffic.

duffblue:Played the first one, didn't get too far but that batman gun was cool. The game just felt rough, is the second one that much better?

I never played the first one. JC2's endless instant parachutes and endless grapple hooks and silly physics is just a total blast, I fire it up at least once a month. The story/story missions are total shiat, but they're pretty much unnecessary to the game beyond the intro mission.

ModernPrimitive01:I hope this one has more varied terrain. That was my biggest knock on GTA 4. In San Andreas, I could get on a bicycle and pedal it down a crazy mountain, but in the last one my one option was getting stuck in NY traffic.

Yes, but... you can blow up the traffic. Just cause a huge pileup, wait for traffic to back up, get a car smoking/on fire, and blow shiat up!

/I don't know why, but that always amuses me/I liked the stupid "realism" of GTA 4. I even preferred GTA 4 over RDR, as far as Rockstar goes. I think RDR is totally overrated, and I love Westerns.

sprawl15:duffblue: Played the first one, didn't get too far but that batman gun was cool. The game just felt rough, is the second one that much better?

I never played the first one. JC2's endless instant parachutes and endless grapple hooks and silly physics is just a total blast, I fire it up at least once a month. The story/story missions are total shiat, but they're pretty much unnecessary to the game beyond the intro mission.

The biggest weakness by far is the lack of multiplayer, but there's a mod that's working on that.

ModernPrimitive01:I hope this one has more varied terrain. That was my biggest knock on GTA 4. In San Andreas, I could get on a bicycle and pedal it down a crazy mountain, but in the last one my one option was getting stuck in NY traffic.

I hope they get creative and use the world more.

They build such interesting and detailed worlds, and it's like a painting you just look at. Mission don't revolve around it besides how to get from A to B, most building you can't go in, and it just get so boring and "done before".

GTA4 had the one bank robbery mission which felt new and exciting; breaking the vault, running through alleys, down into the subway, ect. The rest of the game? Races, lear out bad guy missions and A>B item runs. Blah....

They really need to mix up the missions and start using the world they create to make things a bit less repetitive.

legion_of_doo:ModernPrimitive01: I hope this one has more varied terrain. That was my biggest knock on GTA 4. In San Andreas, I could get on a bicycle and pedal it down a crazy mountain, but in the last one my one option was getting stuck in NY traffic.

Yes, but... you can blow up the traffic. Just cause a huge pileup, wait for traffic to back up, get a car smoking/on fire, and blow shiat up!

/I don't know why, but that always amuses me/I liked the stupid "realism" of GTA 4. I even preferred GTA 4 over RDR, as far as Rockstar goes. I think RDR is totally overrated, and I love Westerns.

You could blow the heck out of traffic in GTA:SA also. Truth be told, I wouldn't might just having an update. A couple months after I played I visited the San Fran and Vegas, was weirded out that the GTA cities are just simplified maps. Lots of times I had ideas for "shortcuts" that I had to tell myself not to take.

Lets be honest here. We all just want an open world game where you can be a super villain. I want to be able to hire thugs, take and execute hostages, demand money, and blow up buildings at will. And just think of the escort missions. "Make sure the bomb gets to the police station safely."

Hopefully they've taken out the scripted events in the car chase missions. My biggest gripe about IV was the chase sequences quickly turned into a game of Memory. OK, turn left, dodge the moped, turn down the alley, swing left to avoid the crashing garbage trucks....ARG!

Flappyhead:Hopefully they've taken out the scripted events in the car chase missions. My biggest gripe about IV was the chase sequences quickly turned into a game of Memory. OK, turn left, dodge the moped, turn down the alley, swing left to avoid the crashing garbage trucks....ARG!

Yup, another fault!

Also hated how the AI would speed up or slow down and only allow you to catch hem or win when you hit a certain point. 'm I'm smart enough to set up an ambush, or take a shortcut, then I should be bale to take the fraker out sooner. Don't change the rules mid mission to drag them out, build better missions.

Loved GTA 4, but it was unplayable on PC. After all the patch updates and days of frustration, the game would very often lag/freeze/crash on me. I had to give up playing on it, far too buggy.

One of the shiattiest PC ports I've ever encountered. Let's hope this time they do the PC version justice. The GTA series deserves a platform where visual and gameplay mods are openly welcomed, unlike the console versions.

I miss the old school GTA's... Where a 5 star wanted rating made the city look like Baghdad, complete with tanks roaming the streets.

They need to go back to the game being absolutely ridiculous. GTA 4 took itself a tad too seriously for it's own good in my opinion. The story still had that goofy Rockstar feel, but the gameplay didn't.

I think the GTA series lost it to Saints Row's customization and zaniness, although SR3 oversimplified itself with upgradeable default pistols becoming explosive bolter bullets of rapid death. Serious, those pistols when fully upgraded could quickly take down everything but tanks, the TRON assassin chicks and the steroid freaks.

GTA IV started interesting with Niko's background and family issues, then blew it by ending the Russian Mafia story chain short. And don't get me started on phone calls from friends.

I just hope on the PC version you do not need to continually hold down a key to be able to 3rd person shoot. I cannot remember if this held on 4 but VC was a pain to shoot 3rd person but my lord it made the gang wars so easy and fun. Mouse aim and asdw movement.

I have not played a GTA game to date that I didn't absolutely love. They all had some pretty big faults but at the end of the day, the sheer amount of fun you can have by just car jacking someone and never letting off the gas pedal is immeasurable. And to the people that bemoan the lack of "fun things to do" in Liberty City, I draw the assumption that you either have little imagination or no access to the online party mode. My friends and I had countless good times playing human plinko down high-rise project central stairwells, human bowling at the airport by skimming as close to the Tarmac in a helicopter as possible and then bailing out, trying to outdare each other jumping motorcycles over hovering helicopters, stealing a cop car or swat van and playing cops and robbers, or having breakneck, 4 wide exotic car drag races down Liberty City's busiest streets. But you couldn't lift weights or ride a bicycle, so I guess it was too linear and boring.

mooseyfate:I have not played a GTA game to date that I didn't absolutely love. They all had some pretty big faults but at the end of the day, the sheer amount of fun you can have by just car jacking someone and never letting off the gas pedal is immeasurable. And to the people that bemoan the lack of "fun things to do" in Liberty City, I draw the assumption that you either have little imagination or no access to the online party mode. My friends and I had countless good times playing human plinko down high-rise project central stairwells, human bowling at the airport by skimming as close to the Tarmac in a helicopter as possible and then bailing out, trying to outdare each other jumping motorcycles over hovering helicopters, stealing a cop car or swat van and playing cops and robbers, or having breakneck, 4 wide exotic car drag races down Liberty City's busiest streets. But you couldn't lift weights or ride a bicycle, so I guess it was too linear and boring.

/can't wait for GTAV!

GTA4's online was a glitchy filled buggy, latency induced mess. It took them over a year to even fix stat tracking.

Seems they got it mostly ironed out in RDR finally, but it still was a biatch temperamental. Hopefully they Ace in the Hole it this time around.

mooseyfate:I have not played a GTA game to date that I didn't absolutely love. They all had some pretty big faults but at the end of the day, the sheer amount of fun you can have by just car jacking someone and never letting off the gas pedal is immeasurable. And to the people that bemoan the lack of "fun things to do" in Liberty City, I draw the assumption that you either have little imagination or no access to the online party mode. My friends and I had countless good times playing human plinko down high-rise project central stairwells, human bowling at the airport by skimming as close to the Tarmac in a helicopter as possible and then bailing out, trying to outdare each other jumping motorcycles over hovering helicopters, stealing a cop car or swat van and playing cops and robbers, or having breakneck, 4 wide exotic car drag races down Liberty City's busiest streets. But you couldn't lift weights or ride a bicycle, so I guess it was too linear and boring.

/can't wait for GTAV!

There's tons of fun things to do. Personally, I just don't like the direction the game play is going. Rockstar needs to get the shooting right in the next iteration, and loosen the cars up. GTA3/VC/SA were the 3 pinnacles of the series for me. The gameplay was batshiat crazy, and even though the shooting was arguably worse I had more fun with it because of the fact it was so bonkers. Their attempts to bring "gritty realism" into the gameplay I think detract from the overall experience.

Honestly if they can make GTA V's shooting as tight as they made Max Payne 3's, and make the cars fun to drive again then GTA V will be incredible. If it's too much like 4, then I think 4 will be the last GTA game I'll buy. The stories were always great, I just lost interest in 4 real fast because I didn't dig the gameplay(or that goddamn cell phone).

Ha, WOW. That mission gave me an aneurism until I figured out to use the overpass stairs as a ramp to jump onto the train and take them out before the tunnel. Trying to shoot those bastards while riding alongside the train just never worked for me.

I hope GTA V incorporates more environmental interactivity ala Assassin's Creed and combat ala Arkham Asylum. And as said above, GTA 4's cars were terribly heavy and sloppy, and New York doesn't really have the kind of space and environmental variety that makes a driving game fun.

Also, VERY important: I don't want cops to shoot at me unless I shoot at them first. Beating up cops is enormously fulfilling, and it's maddening that all they do is fire upon you while backpedaling. Come on, pigs, tussle with me!

Barricaded Gunman:After reading this thread, I have to go home and give Just Cause 2 another chance. I gave up a couple of missions in and never looked back.

The trick is to not really do missions. Stronghold ones aren't a bad idea, since they give you more respawn points, but progression on the story should really take a backseat to trying to tether your helicopter to a Panauan military helicopter while it's shooting at you, then playing Joust until one of you explodes.

Snatch Bandergrip:Also, VERY important: I don't want cops to shoot at me unless I shoot at them first. Beating up cops is enormously fulfilling, and it's maddening that all they do is fire upon you while backpedaling. Come on, pigs, tussle with me!

To The Escape Zeppelin!:Lets be honest here. We all just want an open world game where you can be a super villain. I want to be able to hire thugs, take and execute hostages, demand money, and blow up buildings at will. And just think of the escort missions. "Make sure the bomb gets to the police station safely."

You pretty much described Saints Row the Third. You can run around beating old ladies to death with a dildo the size of a baseball bat while dressed in nothing but a thong, and you won't have to dodge calls from your fat cousin, either. Oh, and there's a gun that summons a shark that comes up out of the ground and eats your target.

Strategeryz0r:Snatch Bandergrip: Also, VERY important: I don't want cops to shoot at me unless I shoot at them first. Beating up cops is enormously fulfilling, and it's maddening that all they do is fire upon you while backpedaling. Come on, pigs, tussle with me!

It's maddening that they execute you for running a red light.

not just you, but I don't know if this happened to anyone else. But since the cars do suck in GTA IV, and NYC felt so cramped, driving fast led to me rear ending a lot of cars.

Well once I hit a guy after going Dukes of Hazard off a hill. The force caused him to rear end the car in front of him...a cop car. Both cops proceeded to yell and pull the guy out, and when the guy got on his knees with his hands up, they shot him, then got in their car and drove off.

It was a crazy "WTF" moment for me because it was random and I hadn't seen that happen before.