these LEC 315 seem to work great for veg. the last one I bought was 450. I got the ones with the flower bulb and its awesome for veg. I can just imagine how good the one with the veg bulb is. Also t5 makes a mix of bulbs for veg they tell about them here these are the t5 style http://www.eyehortilux.com/products/power-veg.aspx the bulbs are 28 to 33 bucks ea at the grow store. Good Luck