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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Foster hasn't played or been aiming to play for a long time. Oden has always been trying to get back. Those are two very different things. Rehabbing to get back to the NBA vs Rehabbing to get healthy for the rest of your life.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

He's also a significantly better rebounder, weakside shot blocker, and doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much or foul nearly as much. He has also improved, going on three years straight, meanwhile Mahimi has stayed stagnant at best. There's really no comparison.

Yeah, I agree with that. I was just stating his height which might be an issue against LeBron in particular. Other than that, I'd certainly like Bismack. He is a very nice player, in my opinion.

I just don't see how we could acquire him.

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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Can you refresh my mind on how Charlotte got him from the Kings? Charlotte had the #9 pick, 2 picks after the Kings, and used it on Kemba Walker.

Charlotte also had the #19 pick that year. They received the #7 pick (Biyombo) by trading #19 (Tobias Harris) and taking on Magette's contract. They previously obtained #19 by trading Gerald Wallace to Portland, who in turn received it from NO for Bayless.

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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

I am all for trying to find a potential replacement for Mahinmi as I am one of the people that simply doesn't really understand what it is he brings to this team. His rebound rate is the worst of any big that gets minutes in the NBA so for the people that say who cares how inept he is at offense if all he does is defend and rebound he is doing his job well rebounding is not something he brings to the table he is awful at it. His offense production is basically the worst of any big that gets minutes as well so he is a bottom of the barrel scorer and rebounder. So to me if you are that lacking in those departments you better be amazing at defense and he is simply ok at defense in my opinion. His block rate is decent for a backup big but he his foul rate almost cancels out his block production.

I do not think we need to deal for a big though simply because the answers out there are just not that good, but why not use our last roster spot on a 3rd big that can at least push Mahinmi for minutes if he continues to struggle as much as he has of late. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think Rasual Butler's contract is guaranteed until the gauranteed deadline much like Ben Hansborough and Sam Young's contracts were constructed last year. So either use the last roster spot on a D-League talent or if we don't have the money/don't want to pay the money for a 15th roster spot cut Butler and use the 14th spot on a 3rd center.

So what D-League talent is out there in the big man department?

I think the answer may be the guy we had here for preseason Hilton Armstong he is currently averaging 15/7/3 (points/rebs/blocks).

I know people say that stats don't mean everything and I agree but if we are going to statistically speak if you think of baseball and it's WAR (which is Wins Above Replacement meaning how easy a player is to fill in any random scrub and get the same production) Ian's would be awful. I think most people we could find and plug in could statistically do a better job (again I know stats don't mean everything and his "rim protection" is key to our defense, but I guess I'm one of the people that is in the mindset he isn't even that great of a "rim protector" and he is so inefficient everywhere else I am willing to give anyone else a chance at his minutes or at least to compete for them with the exception of Copeland the Copeland/Scola combo is a train wreck.)

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Pretty much this, Reggie Evans had the lowest Defensive Rating (98) among all players in their playoff series against the Bulls.

Not sure where you got the number, but bball reference has it at 100.

Either way, it was the lowest. But just for the record, a low Defensive Rating is a good thing. Reggie Evans had the best Defensive Rating in the Bulls-Nets playoff series. Evans is third on the Nets right now.

Of course, he is typically guarding the second unit's 2nd best big man, playing alongside Lopez, Blatche, or Plumlee. Beware the DRtg of the PF alongside the strong defensive Center. David West has a better DRtg than Paul George right now, tied with Hibbert for the lead.

All stats need context, but ORtg and DRtg (for individual players) needs a tooooon of context.

Off Topic, but because we are here: The Pacers are currently 13th in ORtg, just a tick below Golden State. Not too shabby. Similar to where they were in the second half of last season.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

Pretty much this, Reggie Evans had the lowest Defensive Rating (98) among all players in their playoff series against the Bulls.

Defensive rating is how many points the opposing offense scores out of 100 possessions, so him being the lowest is a good thing. For example, PG's defensive rating as a rookie was 104, now it's 94. Roy's defensive rating is 93. Ian's? 95. And that's why he's valuable to the Pacers, because he has the ability to anchor their defensive scheme.

I'll also point out that the lowest defensive rating for a NBA career is 95.3

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

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Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

I really am not too disappointed with Ian to be honest.. I mean, he has those games that leave you scratching your head, but that has to do with his consistency, not his talent. Ian is a very serviceable backup C in my opinion.

Re: Hot Topic: NBA Backup Centers

His rebound rate is the worst of any big that gets minutes in the NBA so for the people that say who cares how inept he is at offense if all he does is defend and rebound he is doing his job well rebounding is not something he brings to the table he is awful at it.

This is simply untrue. Ekpe Udoh, Kendrick Perkins, Jason Maxiell and Andrea Bargnani are all playing more than Mahinmi and have a lower rebound rate. Matt Bonner only plays 2.2 MPG less than Ian and his rebounding rate is worse as well. The same can be said about both Clipper back-up Centers (Ryan Hollins and Byron Mullens).

Mahinmi is having his worst year as far as TRB% is concerned but he is not the worst in the league. Also, the difference between this year's and last year's TRB% indicates that this is probably a statistical anomaly.