Karl "Jack" Frost Says Jogger in Bike Lane Shoved Him, and That He's Ex-Cop With CCW Permit and No Felony Record

Karl "Jack" Frost says he was within his rights to try to effect a citizen's arrest on Wednesday of a jogger who he says had assaulted him.

Karl "Jack" Frost admits he tried to make a citizen's arrest of a man who was jogging in a bike lane, but that Gilbert police got most of the story wrong.

Frost, 47, says the main notion he wants to dispel is that he was in illegal possession of a .40-caliber Glock because of a supposed previous felony arrest. In fact, he says, he has a state-issued concealed-carry permit and also just became a U.S. citizen last year -- both of which would not be true if he was a convicted felon.

Describing himself as a 14-year veteran of London's Metropolitan police
force, Frost says he was within his rights to detain the 52-year-old
jogger because the man had shoved him without provocation.

Gilbert police deliberately released the info about an alleged felony
arrest "in a tainted fashion," Frost says in his British accent. "They
know this is gonna be a lawsuit."

A phone call to Gilbert police wasn't immediately returned on Friday afternoon.

Yesterday, the police department issued a news release containing
several incidents, one of which was the bicyclist-on-jogger altercation.
According to that release, Frost called police dispatch and told them
he was making a citizen's arrest of a man who had been jogging in a bike
lane.

Gilbert Sergeant Bill Balafas told New Times yesterday that bike
lanes are for the exclusive use of bicycles -- but that jogging in one
is a civil offense. To make a legal citizen's arrest, the suspect has to
be suspected of a breach of public peace, and jogging in a bike lane
doesn't qualify, Balafas said.

However, Frost maintains the story involved more than that.

He says he was biking to work at about 7:30 a.m. along Islands Drive
West near Warner Road when he had to stop because the jogger was in his
way, and that vehicle traffic prevented from immediately going around
the man.

The jogger, who's name wasn't released, yelled at him, "Are you blind?"
and shoved him. Frost says he and his $6,000 bicycle nearly fell over.

Frost says he tried to make a citizen's arrest over a suspected assault,
not because the man was in a bike lane. He disputes Gilbert PD's
account that he told dispatch he was making the arrest because of the
bike lane, and says he specifically mentioned the "assault."

"I got ahold of him and I called 911," Frost says. "He tries to get away. I held his arm until police showed up."

Police weren't impressed with the ex-cop's actions. They arrested Frost
and are seeking charges of unlawful imprisonment, disorderly conduct and
assault. They seized Frost's Glock, which he hadn't pulled out during
the altercation. Cops also erased an audio recording Frost had made of
the incident, Frost says.

Frost was booked into jail and later released.

He says he would do the same thing again. He teaches security-guard
classes and knows how to properly detain somehow, he explains.

"There wasn't a mark on him," Frost says about the jogger.

He doesn't know why Gilbert PD released information that he might be a
felon who isn't legally allowed to own a firearm. Frost showed his CCW
card to Channel 3 News (KTVK-TV) last night, apparently proving that he
was not a prohibited possessor.

A witness reportedly thought Frost was being aggressive to the jogger.
No police report has been released yet, but it'll be interesting to hear
the jogger's point of view.

Our take: Citizen's arrests just don't seem like a good idea except under extreme circumstances. Too much could go wrong.

So many people with big mouths and puffy chests behind their computers. Why don't you wait for the whole story? No, you'd rather show how bad you are after two disputed reports have come out. Now go out and kick somebody's ass for no reason other than you're full of it and yourself. What's with the "limey" name calling? Are you in grade school little boy?

This is guy is a dip-shit. Not only would he have a broken nose--had he tried that shit with me or my family; but an unlawful detention lawsuit would file. I alway wanted a 6k bike anyway. What a wanker.

A newly naturalized citizen, 14 year career as a UK police officer, none of this gives him the right to illegally detain someone, it might be curious to find out why his 14 year career ended, since unless they retire them at 14 years one might guess he has a bit more mystery than he is admitting, guess he might be one of them folks with a Napoleon complex, or worse yet trying to compensate for some lacking in his trousers carrying a gun around and wanting to arrest folks without a badge!

My neighbor tells me he is an ex Detroit cop. but at the present time he is a meth tweeker. its funny he has no pictures of himself anywhere in his home of him in his old cop uniform. alot of guys that tell you they use to be a cop usually were not ever cops. most real ex cops dont tell you shit like that. they know there is alot of cop haters out there thats why. cops and ex cops are a very strange , weird, suspicious breed of human. its best to stay clear of them they are mentally off. you cant trust them.

Good point. Realistically speaking, as a legal carrying gun owner myself, had Frost ever tried to do that stint on me. I may have misunderstood or mistaken his intention as an "assault" attempt(or possibly robbery). This is where the self-defense law comes into play. It could imply that I'm justified in using lethal force on such aggressive situations like this.

It appears that Frost has not been in the country long enough to understand that part of the notion. Especially here in Arizona.I would also add that he's lucky to be alive, since it was only a jogger.

Most ex cops or retired cops have their old tin or badge encased in that hard clear plastic and they have it proudly displayed in their home some where near a picture of them self in a cop uniform like and old war vet. and your right they dont go around talking or bragging about being an ex cop. they are a secretive bunch and kind of paranoid.

Then you are admitting that you are an idiot who knows nothing about AZ gun laws.

Frost told the man he was under arrest. In AZ, that means you are, as a matter of law, under arrest. You shooting him does not break that arrest -- it simply adds to the charges.

And, given the cowardly nature that emanates from your writing, I suspect your aim would be off, you being distracted by the pee running down your leg, and then Frost would have calmly dispatched you to the hell you would then share with fellow micro-phallic gun-lover JT Ready.

You guys are clowns. You dress up and pretend to be tough, hoping one day for the chaos of civil war that will, never, ever, come.

I would like to see you pull that stunt on me. Let's say if I'm walking in the bicycle lane and minding my own business. And once you try anything funny, like touching me or even breathing on me. I'm gonna take that as an assault and use my piece on you. Because I find your actions, whatever that may be. As a violent and dangerous attempt at criminality. All for what???? Walking in the bicycle lane? I strongly doubt you are capable of doing anything other than drinking moonshine and lighting up that cancer stick.

You are nothing more than a dumb moron who thinks he's arpaio. You are the real cowards who wears classic 6ers on your ailing hips at anti-arpaio rallies. I don't see anyone else doing this other than cowards like yourself.

You have no requirement to submit to a citizen's arrest. You only have to submit to an arrest by a police officer...but I'm still not going to use deadly force against a guy that's not threatening to use deadly force against me. Of course, I"m not a coward either.

A.) Having the sole Right to defend yourself in the street, against violent unsuspecting "Jack" offs like the one in this article.orB.) Bringing in a 40 ton tank and 2 dozen MCSO SWAT goons, to bust a single man flop-house full of chickens.

Man up, buddy and start arresting serious criminals.

But here's a better question:

Ask your Repugnant pals in the legislature why they're passing all these guns legislation. They are the ones who passed the "self-defense" law.

I give gun owners a bad rap? How so, internet tough boy? I have never been in violation of the law. Not once. And I wouldn't be surprised that you have a dent or two on your record sheet, either by domestic violence, DUI or some other stupid shit like that.

I'd be happy to take a punch from you, if you put down your coffee and donuts and *man up* to come out from behind the MCSO desk were you spend your glory days loathing.

Are you suggesting that innocent Americans should risk their lives by a random act of violence like this? Do you even know what the other is capable of? No you do not.

But then again you don't look at the broader picture here like I do. It has nothing to do with winning fist fights. The sole purpose for the Republicans passing the "self-defense" law, is based on their pro-white interest agenda that it meant entirely for them. They believed that non-whites are petty criminals and felons rendering them to be ineligible for any "self-defense" act. My point was to prove that notion is wrong by encouraging law abiding non-white Americans to take advantage of the self-defense law same as them. If they are passing laws, it should be applied to everyone equally. And if they are denied because of their skin color, then another set Constitutional Rights have been violated by the hypothetical Republicans.

Let's see if you can defend the actions of Mr. Frost. Since you appear to be far less critical of him.