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Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

I have been married to and Asian woman for 46 years and it is no way the same as SSM. So far you have picked up very liberal blue states for your SSM you will never do that in the fly over red states and the states in the south. Not in a million years......sorry

It is mostly in the south where you would find people who disapprove of interracial marriage. You can deny all you want, but I know people who find interracial relationships disgusting. More than many would like to know. Some I am related to. And I know some of them would not mind at all making interracial relationships illegal again. It is the same thing, no matter how much you wish to deny it.

It will be in my lifetime, likely in the next decade, that same sex marriage will become legal throughout the US. I have no doubt. My generation, which are in their 30s, are much more accepting of same sex relationships. And the generations after mine are even more okay with same sex marriage.

"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

How many times do I have to explain this to you........when AIDS first started in the eighties it was in the Gay community..........No one else except for some drug users was catching the disease then.............You really need to read the thread sometime, this has been hashed out over and over again

The bigger issue has been explained to.... you need to read a little OK

Ummm you are the one who needs to read. If you look at the AIDS epidemic globally straight people were the ones who were spreading it. Keyword there is globally.

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Originally Posted by ARealConservative

Maybe the logic escapes you.

If individuals of a government want to give perks to people that get good grades, nobody complains. Where has it been proven that getting good grades is in the best interest of the state? Do we need proof?

Yet if the same residents try to give perks to the type of stable union that can physically produce kids, we are told that is not allowed.

I think the logic escapes you. Your post has zero to do with what I am talking about.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

And you or I can use our moral convictions to decide who we vote for, or how we vote on ballot initiatives and similarly he can use his moral convictions to decide how he legislates.

There is no requirement what so ever that one can not allow their moral views influence how they choose to participate in government.

There is a difference between you or I voting based on our convictions. We are not a paid government representative. We elect those representatives based on each of our belief systems.

And I didn't say it was a requirement. I'm saying that this is not representing the people and the people's positions.

The people he's paid by elected him in to represent them to the best of his ability. What consistutes the best of his ability is HIS JUDGEMENT. If the people don't like it, then they have a chance to vote him out later....no different then they'd have if he did exactly what the polls told him "the people" wanted and then they still voted him out.

It is no less legitimate to ignore polls and what they say the "people want" then it is to follow them strictly. Representitives in government are elected to do the job to the best of their ability and to represent the people to the best of their ability...they are not elected, and there is zero requirement that they act in such a way, to do exactly what polls say the people want.

I disagree. If the people overwhelmingly support a particular position, a representative not assisting to legislate that position because his personal view oppose it, is not representing the people.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

It seems the reason Christie vetoes this is because he wants the state as a whole to vote on a referendum. This is the correct course of action and I support his decision to veto in this case.

I would agree with this EXCEPT for the fact that Christie has indicated that he is pretty sure that it will pass. By NOT signing the bill, he is saying "screw you" to the people he is paid to represent... because he wants to.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Of course, I wasnít referring to that sentence, I was referring to this one. Apparently, youíve said it "dozens of times" to one poster alone:

Iím happy that youíve now recanted. Weíre already making progress.

Now, itís also true that "Not every time a man has sex with another man will they get AIDS. It does, however, significantly increase their chances, and it is more likely than if they do NOT engage in sex with men." [That is, if instead they only engage in sex with women.]

This is largely true for the simple reason that there is a much higher incidence of HIV in the population of "men who have sex with men." The odds are higher that the person you're having sex with is infected. Men who have sex with other men need to be especially cautious, because they're in a high risk group.

Dangerous sexual behavior increases the risk of the spread of AIDS regardless of sexual orientation. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. If you have unprotected sex, you put yourself at risk.

And as far as my comment above, the spread of AIDS IS caused by dangerous sexual practices or IV drug abuse. That does not mean that EVERY time someone practices dangerous sex they will get AIDS, but it DOES mean that NOT engaging in these practices will not cause the disease to spread.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

So what? Like I said earlier, society can't help but progress. Even if all states ban gay marriage, the issue won't go away.

2. You better be.

The problem with your premise is that it relies on 3 pretty big presumptions.

1. That God exists. I'm not going to spark a whole religious debate, but suffice it to say that you can't prove God's existence anymore than I can disprove it.

2. That the Bible is 100% the word of God.

3. That your interpretation of the verses that many consider to address homosexuality are right.

That being said, I'm more than comfortable not worrying about those being true. I'm not going to change my viewpoints on certain issues out of fear that your God will punish me for feeling this way.

3. take the time to read the thread. you might find out its all there.

Cut the coy bull****, Navy. You pointed out that there was an underlying issue to all of this, and I'm asking you directly what it is. If you can't answer the question, don't. But don't tell me to read through the thread again to find this mysterious underlying issue that you seem to believe exists. If you are going to bring it up, then discuss it and cut out the childish nonsense.

4. horse**** AIDS was originally 99% a gay mans disease. Its not any more but the most prevalent people to get AIDS today are gay men that partake in anal sex.............

You don't have to restate your absurd beliefs. You are more than welcome to believe that crap if you want.

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You lose every time DD. you have never even been close except in California. Your backing a losing issue and pretty soon it will be 50 states against gay marriage when the activists are over ruled............Legal Gay marriage might be the last thing that God needs to destroy the world and bring judgment on you DD. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Considering that I have been faithfully married for 22 years. Have never committed adultrey by sleeping with a married woman while her husband was away on duty. Have not spents months frequenting whorehouses in my "youth". I have no fear of God's judgment. Can you say the same?

Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Listen I have 4 kids 8 grandkids and am having the best days of my life....Because I don't want the definition of the sacrament of holy matrimony which God set down changed for a class of people who are defined by their sexual orientation will never make me feel bad.........Now if God forbid that ever happens I might die a bitter old man but I believe God will take care of that on judment day for the perversion and decay.