The Tale Of The (mix)Tape…

Yay for Saigon and Joe Budden. Much like the Gaza strip, rap music was going to be a bloody wasteland this first quarter. Fools were getting axed left and right as record companies were reeling from the effects of this bullshit economy. I was wondering if there was even going to be any label around to put out an album. Thankfully Amalgam and Koch are still around. These two labels are like the rats and roaches that will survive the nuclear armageddon. Animals small enough to just burrow into a hole and hardbody enough to eat any fucking thing they find. Good shit.

Round 3 of the Saigon vs. Joe Budden internets rap battle kicked off with Saigon’s ‘Pushing Buddens‘. Saigon finally took the advice from his corner to start matching the Budden body shots. Saigon was failing in the first two rounds by swinging wildly for the head and also for throwing low blows. In this round Saigon has targeted the body of Budden’s career output. This is a risky and dangerous move for Saigon since in the grand scheme of rap music he still doesn’t technically have an album. The good thing about rap music battles is that hearsay also has the weight of truth in the minds of most fans. So the hearsay that ‘Greatest Story Never Told’ will have amazing music from Just Blaze does count for something.

The fact that Saigon chose to get at Joe Budden using ‘Pump It Up’ was the weakest part of his round. Budden pwns that song outright. No one who puts any rhymes to that song will ever eclipse Budden’s verses. It Just ain’t possible (puns always intended – no Big Pun). Still and all Saigon turns in his best round so far in this battle and proves that he belongs in the ring with Budden. This fight is reminiscent of a great middleweight fight I saw years ago when Tommy Hearns fought Sugar Ray Leonard. Both these boxers were no longer in their primes but they put on one of the most entertaining fights I ever saw.

I see Budden as being a flashy Sugar Ray type boxer. [ll] to the name Sugar Ray internets. While Saigon is definitely more like Hearns, who had a devastating right hand when it connected. The best thing about the contrast in style from Saigon to Joe Budden is that just like this 1989 rematch between Leonard and Hearns it helped bolster a flagging sport. Boxing at the time had one legit superstar, the soft-spoken, downward-spiraling, maniacal Mike Tyson (Lil’ Wayne or KanYe West?) and the rematch up of these two veterans was a 12 round bout for the ages. Hearns wanted to repay Leonard for the TKO he suffered eight years prior (word to Aaron Pryor, natch).

Hitman Hearns (Detwah stand up!) was a beast, and early on he wore out Sugar Ray with punishing inside shots. He even knocked Ray down a couple of times. But Ray was the former Olympic gold champion and he had the heart and mettle to match the medal. Only several years earlier sonn had to have surgery because his eyeball was detached. This is hardbody shit my niggas. These two dudes banged for the entire 12 rounds. Baltimore vs. Detroit. Philadelphia Camden vs. St. Louis. Not the football teams my niggas. The cities. I don’t expect the rap music battle between Joe Budden and Saigon to actually result in a boxing match, and frankly I hope it doesn’t because that shit would be gheyer than a shopping bag full of cocks. The nigga that would want to see musicians knuckle up would secretly want to kiss them too.

At the end the fight concluded with a draw which pissed everybody off at first because we all wanted the judges to render a final decision and confirm whatever our positions were. Being unsatisfied I think me and my boys left the bar (everlasting shouts to Wiley’s) and went to wreak havoc in the city by stealing cars and doing whatever dumb ass teenagers do. If I had realized at the time that I was witnessing a classic I might have appreciated the judges decision that night. Now that I am old enough to look back at that moment I am better able to enjoy this competition now going on via .mp3 files. All I want is for the nature of competition to bring out the best in the competitors. Most of you witnessed that with Jay-Z and NaS. Here’s to hoping we get another one for the ages.

Note: “Pump It Up” was produced by Just Blaze and Saigon diss Joe Budden with that beat and Saigon “GSNT” album is produced by Just Blaze.

Interesting!!!

cold

damn ! how can you talk that long and say nothing ? buddens killed saigon ! not even close

Matt Herbz

Yeah, you see when you’re trying to portray yourself as the intelligent rapper, then it’s hard to bust out that mold and get down and gritty with niggaz. I mean, yeah, I wear Italian suits, but I will bust the side threads by picking you up and throwing your ass down the elevator shaft… Based on the first couple of rounds, I reached the same conclusion as you Billy: Saigon couldn’t hang with Budden. Budden’s a pretty chill cat from what we can see on the videos, so I can see him being all methodical about his shit, but Saigon immediately turned on his “Hit A Nigga When I See Him” mode and it seemed like he was flaking out in the actual rap battle. Niggaz need to just make songs. When asked about each other in the videos, play it like Nas and Jay: “No comment.”

–Matt Herbz–

miles archer

Yo, you talked more about Hearns/Leonard than you did the fuckin battle. Way to go overboard with an analogy…

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Hate Hate and more Hate

“The fact that Saigon chose to get at Joe Budden using ‘Pump It Up’ was the weakest part of his round. Budden pwns that song outright. No one who puts any rhymes to that song will ever eclipse Budden’s verses. It Just ain’t possible ”

^^^lol @ this dumb ass statement. I could record myself pissing on a teenage bitch R Kelly style over the “Pump it Up” instrumental and it would be 100 times better than the original Joe Buddens version. When Jay-z jacked this beat from Buddens, his shit was way better. Thus causing Joey to respond to Jay-Z. I could record myself singing the theme song to “Three’s Company” using autotune and that shit would be bettter than Joe Buddens. Sai steriod using ass was right, that “on” bullshit was corny to me, I was saying that shit back when that song came out

Pierzy

I still think “Pain In His Life” is pretty tough to come back from…

amar

billy, even if saigon does start pwning though, are u sure u won’t be biased? We saw those videos of u and budden in the studio chillin…if i were u i wouldn’t wanna fuck that up either.

http://xxlmag.com Kane Corleone

Yea i remember that fight the outcome was bullshit due to the bets(u know them I-TALIANS)but i thought at first it was gonna be a cake walk for Joe ,Sai came back wit “if im weapon x joey u jubilee” wooooow comic book niggas know the deal that was slicc.

macdatruest

So…. Beef is what’s gonna save Hip Hop? Try again XXL. This “beef” will go down as unremarkably as Dr. Dre and Jermaine Dupree beefing did.Why? Blatant waste of talent by two unproven (outside new york) artists. Joe Buddens is actually good as shit rapping. So is Saigon, but this beef is useless as far as being a fan of their real music. This Beef is less interesting than the articles about it. It must be an East Coast thing to be so highly entertained by this shit. “Gossip Girls in Timbos” is what it come off like to me. I challenge niggas to stop copping out, writing a few “bars” about the next nigga out of hate, and make some real conceptual music that maybe people will listen to ten years from now. Because trust me, Beef is only Hot while its cookin. Ten years from now it’ll be Lil’ Baby Ignorant vs. Retarded Kid and nobody will remember this waste of fame.

yoprince

lol.. nah.. this shit is entertaining and good for hip-hop. for instance… i’m not from NY, but i’ve been on to budden and saigon for a while now. but saigon stopped making music for ever and budden kept rapping about ghey shit or label problems over trash tracks and i got bored with both of them niggas. i don’t like charles hamilton or none of them new sweet niggas, so i reverted to listening to old shit and/or 808s…

with this beef, and these two niggas soundin hungry again with something to prove, i’m listening again.. and i’ll be much more likely to listen to give one of their mixtapes a listen or check out that slaughterhouse show.

amar

i’m with yoprince

plus this is the first beef that meets the following criteria
-between two rappers (ie not a rapper nad a news channel or a reporter or a first black president)
-not involving soulja boy or young berg
-both of the two parties involved don’t suck

refreshing. Keep it going. More shit like this-> more exposure-> more exposure to good rappers->more record sales for good rappers-> more good music-> less soulja boy

macdatruest

refreshing. Keep it going. More shit like this-> more exposure-> more exposure to good rappers->more record sales for good rappers-> more good music-> less soulja boy
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lol nah the equation goes like this More shit like this-> more glorification-> more rappers beefing-> more negative exposure(in real news)for “rappers”->less venues available nationwide for tours->less sales and a smaller fanbase->more “beef wit dude around the corner” mixtapes-> more bad music nationwide just like soulja boy

Simple like ABC, 123

12 rounds and then let the people decide who’s win the battle.

louie mo

The fact that Saigon chose to get at Joe Budden using ‘Pump It Up’ was the weakest part of his round. Budden pwns that song outright. No one who puts any rhymes to that song will ever eclipse Budden’s verses. It Just ain’t possible ”

^^^lol @ this dumb ass statement. I could record myself pissing on a teenage bitch R Kelly style over the “Pump it Up” instrumental and it would be 100 times better than the original Joe Buddens version. When Jay-z jacked this beat from Buddens, his shit was way better. Thus causing Joey to respond to Jay-Z. I could record myself singing the theme song to “Three’s Company” using autotune and that shit would be bettter than Joe Buddens. Sai steriod using ass was right, that “on” bullshit was corny to me, I was saying that shit back when that song came out
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funniest shit i read all day …….. some body give this nigga a blog

http://jasongchu.blogspot.com Grand Master

“Couldn’t even get a bass line outta Bassline/
“Look at the new kid/ soundin stupid/ I made Just more money than you did”

^D.O.A.

macdatruest

Yea this shit is only good for them because of the exposure, as small as it is, that they are getting. But its crazy because the real widescale exposure comes when it turns physically violent. They are both in New York and are both being told NOT to squash the beef because supposedly its good. Once it results in actual violence which is inevitable-this will be another blow to make hip hop look bad. They have nothing to prove to eachother, so the only thing left to do is see who takes it the furthest for the public. It’s sad really. I wonder why no other genre of music feels they gotta beef to sell records other than slave minded rappers. Can’t everybody see when the beef started, the music actually got WORSE and sold LESS!?! I will bookmark this article because I know XXL will be the first ones to BLAME HIP HOP when this beef goes rotten and bullets fly.