If you take away a mans steak in society he will withdraw from society. When that happens anarchy ensues. So, no men will not improve.

The only way this can be avoided is if the society is strongly religous or is tyranical.

As our society is in moral decay, from which it is not likely to recover, we only have the last option which is where we seem to be heading. Strangely enough this has appeal to some women.

The destruction of our society was assured sometime ago. Every society that built a civilisation started with the principal of one man, one woman with sex strictly regulated within the confines of a that union. It wasn't perfect, but it worked.

It appears that female emancipation has occurred with regular monotony throughout history, in every civilisation. Every civilisation started off with strict sexual regulation. Over time the rules were relaxed and women were emancipated. What followed, in every case, destroyed that society within three generations or 100 years.

J D Unwin researched this and wrote a book,in 1934 I believe. You can download the zip file Here

What's led to this utter nonsense is almost 50 years of women essentially saying to men, "We don't need you and anything you can do we can do better". So men have basically let women have their way. As women ascend more and more in the workforce, competing with men, they have become correspondingly lonely and desperate for commitment from a male partner. So men are getting a completely mixed message, i.e. "I don't need you....but I desperately need you." Unsurprisingly, men are baffled and ultimately just walk away. It's time for everybody to accept that feminism is a dead end street for all concerned: women, men and children. Let women respect men as the leaders they really are, and support them, rather than constantly undermining them and then whining about their lack of maturity and responsibility.

Yes, your list would preserve our civilisation. However, we have not arrived at where we are today by accident as our ruling elite seem determined to drive us in the opposite direction. They are obsessed with controlling the population, in terms of numbers and minds. You only have to delve into the actions of the UN to see the agenda (for us, to some extent, filtered through the EU). All member states sign up to these treaties which translate into individual nations enacting laws which, to the ordinary members of the public, seem bizarre.

There are many facets involved in controlling populations. One such facet is the crushing of the male and elevating the female, hence feminism. I believe it was Lenin who described women as ‘useful idiots.’ And some modern women seem to prefer 100% of nothing than 50% of something.

Divorce law, taken from the Russian model, and ignorance play a big part in the silence of men. There are other laws, such as harassment and of course the all pervasive Political Correctness, also play a large part (men can and have lost their employment through standing up to feminism)

The battle of the sexes was won without firing a shot as men failed to turn up. After all, we trusted women to do the right thing!

Your paragraphs on Fathers4Justice reads like a test and I can’t help but notice the disconnect between these paragraphs and your points 6 to 13?I don’t know a lot about Fathers4Justice. I have never been in their shoes or ever will be. What I do know is that one was jailed for climbing onto Harriet Harm-men’s roof and another was jailed for waving at his daughter. Recently some of them crossed over the pond and climbed onto Abe Lincoln’s statue. However, there they faced a complete news black out. I have read, in the MSN, that their campaign, despite receiving ridicule and contempt from the media and society, has been the biggest success of any type of campaign of recent times.Not having been in their shoes it is difficult for me to judge. If I put myself in the shoes of their children however, and I look at a man who dresses up in a silly costume, risking imprisonment to have contact with me, would I be proud of him? Yes. Sad losers they may be, but at least they are still fighting. Incidentally, there are other fathers rights groups. Have you heard of them? They have no recourse to law, have little support and are fighting with the tools they have.Can men organise themselves to march to save their jobs so that they can feed their families? Yes.Can men organise themselves, for their own rights, to march or campaign in sufficient numbers to make an impact? Doubtful.Will men wake from their slumber to protect their families? Yes.Will men wake from their slumber to protect their own rights? Doubtful.Will men, outside the family structure, wake from their slumber? Will they care? This is my area of concern, the consequences of men outside the family structure.As for 1 – 5, your points are well taken. I’m afraid it would take another book to establish how this has come about. It’s a good read but I will not labour you with any more links.

In answer to your question, Darren, the quality of British women can be deduced by the numbers of them who apparently cannot find a decent men. I am actually saying they are both as bad as each other, because feminism has lowered the quality of men and women by making women more like men and men more like women, so much so that they cannot see the point in each other any longer.