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ReechardSun, 15 Jun 2014 14:35:33 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278767The big question of course is who/what fills the vacuum?
Greater Israel? Or will the chaos that ensues be even too much for the Zionist masters of deception, deceit and death, to take advantage of? Is this the end of the Zionist nightmare too?The big question of course is who/what fills the vacuum?
Greater Israel? Or will the chaos that ensues be even too much for the Zionist masters of deception, deceit and death, to take advantage of? Is this the end of the Zionist nightmare too?
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Ken LambertSat, 14 Jun 2014 01:54:13 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278742Brian Williams
There is no excuse on the part of the Powells and Blairs and Howards (with even Australia's limited intelligence resources) for not seeing Saddam for what he was - a warlord dictator of the broadly secular kind who though paying lip service to Sunni Islam, was as threatened by Islamic crazies as much as the West.
Did they forget the brutal Iran-Iraq war where Saddam fought a devasting war of attrition against Iran's Shia mad mullahs. He was the enemy of both Sunni and Shia crazies.
His containment after first Gulf War was a running sore, but not as diabolical as what we are facing now.
We face the prospect of allying with Shia Iran and propping up Assad.
The Iranians are already claiming victory for Assad....quote "Terrorism perpetrated by al-Qaida-linked jihadist groups and individuals armed and funded by Sunni Muslim Arab countries was now the main threat facing the Syrian people, Borujerdi said. Many foreign fighters who had travelled to Syria from Britain and other European countries" endquote....that includes Australia where a Roman Catholic schoolboy has morphed into a 29 year old longbeard jihad leader - a darling of Facebooked crazies worldwide looking for a lethal fight to heaven.
The West's choices are all bad - propping up Assad in Syria in alliance with Iran to save Iraq's weak Shia dominated Government from Sunni Islamic crazies worse than al Qaeda.
And throw in the Kurds to complicate the case.
And Dubya has taken up painting.Brian Williams

There is no excuse on the part of the Powells and Blairs and Howards (with even Australia’s limited intelligence resources) for not seeing Saddam for what he was - a warlord dictator of the broadly secular kind who though paying lip service to Sunni Islam, was as threatened by Islamic crazies as much as the West.

Did they forget the brutal Iran-Iraq war where Saddam fought a devasting war of attrition against Iran’s Shia mad mullahs. He was the enemy of both Sunni and Shia crazies.

His containment after first Gulf War was a running sore, but not as diabolical as what we are facing now.

We face the prospect of allying with Shia Iran and propping up Assad.

The Iranians are already claiming victory for Assad….quote “Terrorism perpetrated by al-Qaida-linked jihadist groups and individuals armed and funded by Sunni Muslim Arab countries was now the main threat facing the Syrian people, Borujerdi said. Many foreign fighters who had travelled to Syria from Britain and other European countries” endquote….that includes Australia where a Roman Catholic schoolboy has morphed into a 29 year old longbeard jihad leader - a darling of Facebooked crazies worldwide looking for a lethal fight to heaven.

The West’s choices are all bad - propping up Assad in Syria in alliance with Iran to save Iraq’s weak Shia dominated Government from Sunni Islamic crazies worse than al Qaeda.

And throw in the Kurds to complicate the case.

And Dubya has taken up painting.

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klewsoSat, 14 Jun 2014 00:30:58 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278741How much has "Howard's Folly" cost us?How much has “Howard’s Folly” cost us?
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John CroweFri, 13 Jun 2014 05:28:29 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278686WOW! Mr Rundle your analysis knocks my socks! I love reading this stuff. Regards, jCWOW! Mr Rundle your analysis knocks my socks! I love reading this stuff. Regards, jC
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Brian WilliamsFri, 13 Jun 2014 04:11:48 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278663Ken Lambert - it's an irony but far from a delicious one. Dubya partly justifies the invasion of Iraq by claiming that Saddam is in bed with Al Quaeda, when the truth was that Bin Laden loathed Hussein, and there wasn't a smidgen of Al Quaeda in Iraq at that time.
Eleven years later we have Sunni extremists even worse than Al Quaeda controlling vast tracts of the country now that the despot Hussein is long gone. Sometimes it's better the devil you know...Ken Lambert - it’s an irony but far from a delicious one. Dubya partly justifies the invasion of Iraq by claiming that Saddam is in bed with Al Quaeda, when the truth was that Bin Laden loathed Hussein, and there wasn’t a smidgen of Al Quaeda in Iraq at that time.

Eleven years later we have Sunni extremists even worse than Al Quaeda controlling vast tracts of the country now that the despot Hussein is long gone. Sometimes it’s better the devil you know…

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Dogs breakfastFri, 13 Jun 2014 03:41:57 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278653Some wonderful comments to an insightful analysis from GR.
But this from Sprague Brett????
"Was Australia still compelled to join the US alliance for National interests? Yes."
Only if one accepts Kubrick's thesis that all powerful nations are gangsters, and all small nations whores. Isn't there the faintest chance that advising USA that they were barking mad and we wouldn't land troops with them 'in our national interest'. The assumption here is that if it is in USA's interest it must therefore be in ours, a whores argument if ever I heard one.
"Are Australian forces in far better shape because of Iraq and Afghanistan? - unquestionably." On what basis, is it because we now have battle hardened (and broken) troops? Hardly beyond argument in my mind.
"Has Australia sacrificed considerable treasure, but more importantly have Australian soldiers made significant personal sacrifice for Western ideals? Yes." Can you enlighten as to what western ideals are, because all I saw was a corrupt war on the back of a personal vendetta. Surely that is bizarrely naive - 'western ideals' harrupmh.
"Vigilance doesn’t come free, Australian forces are better prepared than they have been since WWII, and therefore Australia is incredibly well placed in an uncertain world"
I'm not sure if holding a paddle is of much use in a barbed wire canoe.
Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket? Incredibly well placed? For what exactly!
Could I disagree more? Unlikely.Some wonderful comments to an insightful analysis from GR.

But this from Sprague Brett????

“Was Australia still compelled to join the US alliance for National interests? Yes.”

Only if one accepts Kubrick’s thesis that all powerful nations are gangsters, and all small nations whores. Isn’t there the faintest chance that advising USA that they were barking mad and we wouldn’t land troops with them ‘in our national interest’. The assumption here is that if it is in USA’s interest it must therefore be in ours, a whores argument if ever I heard one.

“Are Australian forces in far better shape because of Iraq and Afghanistan? - unquestionably.” On what basis, is it because we now have battle hardened (and broken) troops? Hardly beyond argument in my mind.

“Has Australia sacrificed considerable treasure, but more importantly have Australian soldiers made significant personal sacrifice for Western ideals? Yes.” Can you enlighten as to what western ideals are, because all I saw was a corrupt war on the back of a personal vendetta. Surely that is bizarrely naive - ‘western ideals’ harrupmh.

“Vigilance doesn’t come free, Australian forces are better prepared than they have been since WWII, and therefore Australia is incredibly well placed in an uncertain world”

I’m not sure if holding a paddle is of much use in a barbed wire canoe.

Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket? Incredibly well placed? For what exactly!

Could I disagree more? Unlikely.

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klewsoThu, 12 Jun 2014 23:58:42 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278642Yes let's not forget Howard's complicity in that "Coalition of the Shilling" - for a FTA?
Nor Murdoch's Brass Band?Yes let’s not forget Howard’s complicity in that “Coalition of the Shilling” - for a FTA?
Nor Murdoch’s Brass Band?
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LiamjThu, 12 Jun 2014 22:58:37 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278640Assuming that the western-backed dictators in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen & Libya follow the imminent fate of our Iraqi puppet, then we'll soon need to be negotiating with ISIL or similar for oil exports. We should put our local war criminals Howard & Downer under house arrest now, so we have them handy for bargaining chips.
Footnote: death toll from invasion & occupation of Iraq is well over a million by now, majority due to 'coalition of the willing' http://www.projectcensored.org/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/Assuming that the western-backed dictators in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen & Libya follow the imminent fate of our Iraqi puppet, then we’ll soon need to be negotiating with ISIL or similar for oil exports. We should put our local war criminals Howard & Downer under house arrest now, so we have them handy for bargaining chips.

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Abdullahi WilliamsThu, 12 Jun 2014 14:08:40 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278635Mayan:
“… promised the Zionists a homeland, partly to keep bank credit flowing for the war effort”
I thought it was ‘Crikey’ not ‘Der Sturmer’. Perhaps it’s time to give the base stereotypes and baseless conspiracy theories a rest."
So why exactly was Baron Rothschild given the Balfour Declaration in 1917? Or is that an anti-Semitic question?Mayan:
“… promised the Zionists a homeland, partly to keep bank credit flowing for the war effort”

I thought it was ‘Crikey’ not ‘Der Sturmer’. Perhaps it’s time to give the base stereotypes and baseless conspiracy theories a rest.”

So why exactly was Baron Rothschild given the Balfour Declaration in 1917? Or is that an anti-Semitic question?

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Ken LambertThu, 12 Jun 2014 14:06:33 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278634Trouble with Guy is that half the time he is half right.
Echos of Vietnam when Nixon Vietnamized the war effort and secretly promised to send in the B52's if the North turned up in force.
Well the North turned up in large numbers with lots of Russian gear and Nixon was gone. It was all over in a few weeks in 1975, after 10 years of a horrible war.
There were some on the Right with a modicum of intelligence recognizing Dubya's Iraq adventure as the folly of a F**kwitted fratboy in charge of the biggest military toy shop in history. The Powells and Blairs bear also heavy responsibility for the flaky intelligence and flimsy pretext for the Iraq attack and 10 years of chaos ensuing.
The American people must bear the responsibility for electing Dubya; the man never held a passport until Governor of Texas, despite his father being President!!
While FDR was cycling down the Rhine in his youth, Dubya was getting drunk and getting Jesus.
Anyway brutal bastards like Saddam and Assad are not looking too bad when compared with the dark age crazies now marching on Baghdad.
10 years of blood and treasure spent in Iraq and the Iraqi Army is melting away before a bunch of terrorists who are worse than mainstream Al-Qaeda?
Wasn't that Dubya's line about Saddam Hussein and his terrorist links - Iraq as a hotbed of WMA terrorists?
Will Obama do a Gerald Ford - that is the big question.
If Obama fiddles, perhaps Dubya could roust out some Texas National guard riflemen with all those guns available in the US and lead the charge of good ol boys against those terrists....up Tikrit hill...Trouble with Guy is that half the time he is half right.

Echos of Vietnam when Nixon Vietnamized the war effort and secretly promised to send in the B52’s if the North turned up in force.

Well the North turned up in large numbers with lots of Russian gear and Nixon was gone. It was all over in a few weeks in 1975, after 10 years of a horrible war.

There were some on the Right with a modicum of intelligence recognizing Dubya’s Iraq adventure as the folly of a F**kwitted fratboy in charge of the biggest military toy shop in history. The Powells and Blairs bear also heavy responsibility for the flaky intelligence and flimsy pretext for the Iraq attack and 10 years of chaos ensuing.

The American people must bear the responsibility for electing Dubya; the man never held a passport until Governor of Texas, despite his father being President!!

While FDR was cycling down the Rhine in his youth, Dubya was getting drunk and getting Jesus.

Anyway brutal bastards like Saddam and Assad are not looking too bad when compared with the dark age crazies now marching on Baghdad.

10 years of blood and treasure spent in Iraq and the Iraqi Army is melting away before a bunch of terrorists who are worse than mainstream Al-Qaeda?

Wasn’t that Dubya’s line about Saddam Hussein and his terrorist links - Iraq as a hotbed of WMA terrorists?

Will Obama do a Gerald Ford - that is the big question.

If Obama fiddles, perhaps Dubya could roust out some Texas National guard riflemen with all those guns available in the US and lead the charge of good ol boys against those terrists….up Tikrit hill…

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Sprague BrettThu, 12 Jun 2014 14:00:18 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278633Guy Rundel's piece is positively breathless. He might need to take a bex and lie down. If Guy really believed his hype he would be developing skills beyond pseudo-wisdom writing, or maybe performing a spot of hari kari.
Yes Guy, others noticed too the events in Iraq. Forces using Humvees were reducing 'democratic' elements in Iraq. The US Iraq project is in serious disarray. Did it ever really have a chance? Plenty never thought so. Was Australia still compelled to join the US alliance for National interests? Yes. Are Australian forces in far better shape because of Iraq and Afghanistan? - unquestionably. Will Afghanistan likely follow a similar path? Yes. Has Australia sacrificed considerable treasure, but more importantly have Australian soldiers made significant personal sacrifice for Western ideals? Yes. Vigilance doesn't come free, Australian forces are better prepared than they have been since WWII, and therefore Australia is incredibly well placed in an uncertain world. Those who have spent over a decade in martial pursuits don't have a lot of time for Chicken Little, show a little more perception or seek some help.Guy Rundel’s piece is positively breathless. He might need to take a bex and lie down. If Guy really believed his hype he would be developing skills beyond pseudo-wisdom writing, or maybe performing a spot of hari kari.
Yes Guy, others noticed too the events in Iraq. Forces using Humvees were reducing ‘democratic’ elements in Iraq. The US Iraq project is in serious disarray. Did it ever really have a chance? Plenty never thought so. Was Australia still compelled to join the US alliance for National interests? Yes. Are Australian forces in far better shape because of Iraq and Afghanistan? - unquestionably. Will Afghanistan likely follow a similar path? Yes. Has Australia sacrificed considerable treasure, but more importantly have Australian soldiers made significant personal sacrifice for Western ideals? Yes. Vigilance doesn’t come free, Australian forces are better prepared than they have been since WWII, and therefore Australia is incredibly well placed in an uncertain world. Those who have spent over a decade in martial pursuits don’t have a lot of time for Chicken Little, show a little more perception or seek some help.
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AndybobThu, 12 Jun 2014 13:16:50 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278630Will the West now seek to prop up Assad against ISIS ? Après him, la deluge.Will the West now seek to prop up Assad against ISIS ? Après him, la deluge.
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Shakira HusseinThu, 12 Jun 2014 10:17:22 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278619I know that this is not the main point of the article, but I think that you take Gertrude Bell according to her own generous self-assessment in saying that she was "less full of western imperialist bullshit that the men they encountered". Like other imperial women, Bell justified her participation in the enterprise by claiming to have a deeper and more intimate relationship with the locals than her male colleagues had been able to achieve, but she was as full of imperialist bullshit as any one of them.I know that this is not the main point of the article, but I think that you take Gertrude Bell according to her own generous self-assessment in saying that she was “less full of western imperialist bullshit that the men they encountered”. Like other imperial women, Bell justified her participation in the enterprise by claiming to have a deeper and more intimate relationship with the locals than her male colleagues had been able to achieve, but she was as full of imperialist bullshit as any one of them.
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Hunted SnarkThu, 12 Jun 2014 09:59:10 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278617Not so sure about the 'glacial' part, Mendoza, but yes. And not just on this front.Not so sure about the ‘glacial’ part, Mendoza, but yes. And not just on this front.
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Guy RundleThu, 12 Jun 2014 06:57:47 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278606mayan -i said partly. there
s no real doubt that the decision to issue the balfour declaration was bound up with the uk wanting to maintain good relations with the Rothschilds -who had funded much of the jewish emigration of the first zionist wave. nothing nazi about analysing in politics in terms of interests and alliances.... gmayan -i said partly. there
s no real doubt that the decision to issue the balfour declaration was bound up with the uk wanting to maintain good relations with the Rothschilds -who had funded much of the jewish emigration of the first zionist wave. nothing nazi about analysing in politics in terms of interests and alliances…. g
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Bill HilligerThu, 12 Jun 2014 06:39:29 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278602Oh I forgot, the terrible outcome of this all is the denial of cheap oil to the motherf*ckers as oil refineries and installations are being destroyed. They spent a trillion to gain the advantage to just see it all taken away from them and so quickly.Oh I forgot, the terrible outcome of this all is the denial of cheap oil to the motherf*ckers as oil refineries and installations are being destroyed. They spent a trillion to gain the advantage to just see it all taken away from them and so quickly.
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Bill HilligerThu, 12 Jun 2014 06:34:28 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278600The events in Iraq just once again emphasise prove as did Vietnam and soon Afghanistan that American style hamburger and Coca-Cola democracy is not accepted.The events in Iraq just once again emphasise prove as did Vietnam and soon Afghanistan that American style hamburger and Coca-Cola democracy is not accepted.
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Venise AlstergrenThu, 12 Jun 2014 06:24:02 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278595Good one GUY: BRIAN WILLIAMS: I tend to agree with you.
There is something in the religion of Islam which seems to prevent its followers from being part of the 21st century. We in the west probably got rid of the worst of religious zealotry in the late middle ages. Islam, or the people who follow it, has remained stuck in the one spot. And, as Brian said, it is a curiously 'tribal' form of religion and living. The concept of complete loyalty to one's tribe/family, extended or otherwise, far exceeds any loyalty to one's country.Good one GUY: BRIAN WILLIAMS: I tend to agree with you.

There is something in the religion of Islam which seems to prevent its followers from being part of the 21st century. We in the west probably got rid of the worst of religious zealotry in the late middle ages. Islam, or the people who follow it, has remained stuck in the one spot. And, as Brian said, it is a curiously ‘tribal’ form of religion and living. The concept of complete loyalty to one’s tribe/family, extended or otherwise, far exceeds any loyalty to one’s country.

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StefanLThu, 12 Jun 2014 05:49:10 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278585A great pity that the European powers didn't create a strong and viable Kurdistan at the end of World War I.A great pity that the European powers didn’t create a strong and viable Kurdistan at the end of World War I.
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ARThu, 12 Jun 2014 05:32:35 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278583This latest example of the US disease of <i>blowback</i> ought to be salutatory to even the dimmest Drill dills - for the last 3 years the US has <b>allowed</b> Saudi & Qatar to fund & arm Sunni jihadists in Syria. This export of fundi nutters is essential to keep the lid of the garbage can that is the Saudi gerontocracy.
Now that they've had their arses kicked, they are taking on the softer target of Iraq - just another shia abomination - and suddenly everyone acts surprised.This latest example of the US disease of blowback ought to be salutatory to even the dimmest Drill dills - for the last 3 years the US has allowed Saudi & Qatar to fund & arm Sunni jihadists in Syria. This export of fundi nutters is essential to keep the lid of the garbage can that is the Saudi gerontocracy.
Now that they’ve had their arses kicked, they are taking on the softer target of Iraq - just another shia abomination - and suddenly everyone acts surprised.
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MendozaThu, 12 Jun 2014 05:08:22 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278580ever get the feeling the world is moving at a glacial speed towards something very dangerous?ever get the feeling the world is moving at a glacial speed towards something very dangerous?
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MayanThu, 12 Jun 2014 04:33:20 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278572"... promised the Zionists a homeland, partly to keep bank credit flowing for the war effort"
I thought it was 'Crikey' not 'Der Sturmer'. Perhaps it's time to give the base stereotypes and baseless conspiracy theories a rest.“… promised the Zionists a homeland, partly to keep bank credit flowing for the war effort”

I thought it was ‘Crikey’ not ‘Der Sturmer’. Perhaps it’s time to give the base stereotypes and baseless conspiracy theories a rest.

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Brian WilliamsThu, 12 Jun 2014 04:21:37 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278568Guy - while the US invasion of Iraq certainly unleashed another chapter in the Sunni/Shia 1500 years war, it was surely just another in a long line of conflicts between peoples who all seem to believe that firing an RPG while shouting Allahu Akhbar on every occasion, will eventually provide some basis for a system of government.
As you correctly insinuated, the attempt to create functioning countries out of peoples whose first loyalties were always going to be towards their own tribes, and therefore their own version of Islam, was doomed to fail from the beginning. At the base level, these people are killing each other because they can't agree whether Mohammeds father-in-law, or his cousin should have succeeded him 1500 years ago.
Give me atheism eany day. Religion - the cause of more misery than any other humam invention.Guy - while the US invasion of Iraq certainly unleashed another chapter in the Sunni/Shia 1500 years war, it was surely just another in a long line of conflicts between peoples who all seem to believe that firing an RPG while shouting Allahu Akhbar on every occasion, will eventually provide some basis for a system of government.

As you correctly insinuated, the attempt to create functioning countries out of peoples whose first loyalties were always going to be towards their own tribes, and therefore their own version of Islam, was doomed to fail from the beginning. At the base level, these people are killing each other because they can’t agree whether Mohammeds father-in-law, or his cousin should have succeeded him 1500 years ago.

Give me atheism eany day. Religion - the cause of more misery than any other humam invention.

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klewsoThu, 12 Jun 2014 03:40:46 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278560The Coalition of the Shilling dug the hole the country is falling into.The Coalition of the Shilling dug the hole the country is falling into.
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Humphrey BowerThu, 12 Jun 2014 03:32:28 +0000http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=442246#comment-278557I had similar thoughts when I read the news today (oh boy!) Deterritorialization is the (dis)order of the day. The frontline is now between the past and the future, tradition and modernity, identity politics and global capital. We of goodwill must paddle as we can to negotiate the rapids betwixt and between, practically, politically and morally. Welcome to the inter-zone.I had similar thoughts when I read the news today (oh boy!) Deterritorialization is the (dis)order of the day. The frontline is now between the past and the future, tradition and modernity, identity politics and global capital. We of goodwill must paddle as we can to negotiate the rapids betwixt and between, practically, politically and morally. Welcome to the inter-zone.
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