Finally, the Hellenism has been divided in many heresies along this last times, Pythagoreans, Stoics, Platonics, Epicureans. Well then, the face of the God-pity has been in touch with with the natural laws, moving away from the peoples, and since the foundation of the universe, now laying among the Barbarism, Scythism and Hellenism, although it took the piety of Abraham.

Could you find any sense for the sentence ἀπὸ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου καταβολῆς καὶ δεῦρο? What could καταβολή mean in this paragraph?

"Foundation" for καταβολή fits -- I see the entire phrase as "from the foundation of the world and up to now".

Except that perhaps δεῦρο means something like "up to this time" where "this time" refers to the same time as the οὗ of ἕως οὗ, which means "until." Then you'd get something like, rearranging the Greek, I get something like "then the form of piety existed, at the same time as the natural law was in power, distinguishing itself from these nations, being in the middle of Barbarism, Scythism, and Hellenism, from the foundation of the world up to the time when the piety of Abraham was joined [to it]." But it's not all that clear to me what's being said.

Thanks a lot, I still can't understand what did he try to say, in the last sentence, "up to the time when the piety of Abraham was joined to it" the time correlations seems to fit with the first sentence (from the foundation...). The text is kind a Heretics Catalog, but sometimes Johannes Damascenus tries to draw a world history, he says, for example that the greek came from Abraham and things like that.

Thanks you so much.

modus.irrealis wrote:"Foundation" for καταβολή fits -- I see the entire phrase as "from the foundation of the world and up to now".

Except that perhaps δεῦρο means something like "up to this time" where "this time" refers to the same time as the οὗ of ἕως οὗ, which means "until." Then you'd get something like, rearranging the Greek, I get something like "then the form of piety existed, at the same time as the natural law was in power, distinguishing itself from these nations, being in the middle of Barbarism, Scythism, and Hellenism, from the foundation of the world up to the time when the piety of Abraham was joined [to it]." But it's not all that clear to me what's being said.

I too am scratching my head with this passage (and not just the last part). However the "από καταβολής κόσμου και δεύρο" (sorry for the modern Greek) does indeed mean "from the foundation of the word and then" or, in other words and better English, "since the foundation of the word". Any "up to" comes from the last part.

It's mostly a matter of punctuation, but it seems clearer: there exited a form of piety together with the natural law, being customary [?] these nations, having been keeping itself separate from the foundation of the world and onwards, while being in the middle of ..., until it was joined to the piety of Abraham.

It makes more sense to not take ἀπὸ τούτων τῶν ἐθνῶν with ἀφορίζων since I was confused by why it seemed to be saying that it was separating itself these nations but being among their heresies. But I'm still not sure what πολιτευόμενος means and exactly what sense ἀπό has here -- can it mean "among"?