Personally, I only think people should be banned if they are hacking or some other illegal thing.

If they are just griefing, why can't vote kick suffice? Why does Valve have to step in?

I agree. I was shocked when I saw their response..

And I'm wondering.. How do they point out the trolls? Do they send their employees to left 4 dead servers and troll hunt? Do players report this to valve officials? I can see this being abused by a lot of players..

ex. You and your friends pubstomp some people and you and your friends are banned the next day because you messed with the wrong people.

And I'm wondering.. How do they point out the trolls? Do they send their employees to left 4 dead servers and troll hunt? Do players report this to valve officials? I can see this being abused by a lot of players..

ex. You and your friends pubstomp some people and you and your friends are banned the next day because you messed with the wrong people.

Well, I don't even understand why people (and Valve) are suddenly so hysterical about griefers and whatnot.

As I've said in other threads, I have 600 hours in this game. I exclusively play pub Versus, and griefers are rarely ever a problem. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've encountered an outright griefer.

If anything, the bigger problem is people abusing the systems that Valve has already set up to deal with griefers--i.e. like vote kicking. I see way more people calling vote kicks for little to no reason than I see people griefing.

I don't think we need a "block" feature, nor do we need Valve babysitting and banning griefers. I think the systems already in place are fine. Yes they are imperfect and can be abused, but so will any system.

And I'm wondering.. How do they point out the trolls? Do they send their employees to left 4 dead servers and troll hunt? Do players report this to valve officials? I can see this being abused by a lot of players..

ex. You and your friends pubstomp some people and you and your friends are banned the next day because you messed with the wrong people.

A votekick won't suffice because usually griefers do it often and multiple times in a row.

That would be like just giving a fine to someone who keeps stealing things instead of eventually sending them to jail.

Valve employees sometimes play L4D2 and are griefed themselves, so I'm sure they give out bans first hand.