Indiana residents received this mailer yesterday. Clinton has jumped the shark and is campaigning exactly like the GOP. As Obama said (and was misquoted), wedge issues like guns are used to divide when people are bitter about elected officials unable to make their lives better.<br><br><br><br><br>

Clinton is apparently intent on taking this all the way to the bitter end. I fear it will end badly for Democrats. The longer she and Obama fight, the more resources they deplete, the more precious political capital they expend for the sake of one candidate coming out 'on top.' Gawd, and what a long and drawn-out process it is. No wonder you have to be a zillionaire to run for office!<br><br>Republican forces must be delighted by all of this ongoing aggravation and disorder in the Democratic house.<br><br>[color:red]_________________________</font color=red><br>[color:white]Max </font color=white><br>

Geez... is Carl Rove now her advisor ??<br><br>she's digging deep isn't she ?<br><br>next thing she'll be telling us is Charlton Heston endorsed her !! <br>{who could prove otherwise now ?}<br><br>David (OFI)

I do not presume to speak for anyone else<br>but she's certainly put me off the feed.<br>Wheras I started out open to either, her<br>tactics have made it damnear impossible<br>for me to toss her my vote.<br><br>But that's what she's counting on...<br>...that we detest McBush even more than her<br>and will vote Democratic come what may.<br><br>What SUX is that she'll be rewarded for <br>being a total ( )itch (you fill in the blank.)<br><br>So much for "Voter Reform" <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

Wedge or not ..... it would appear that Obama has been playing both sides of an issue here.<br>If he does it on guns (and he already has shown a similar attutude in respect to NAFTA) what could that say about him?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Wedge or not ..... it would appear that Obama has been playing both sides of an issue here.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Really? Have you done any research on his positions on this issue?<br><br>As for this particular mailing, it really does take a set of brass to wildly mischaracterize the "cling to guns" snippet in a mailing specifically targeted at people who do, in fact, cling to their guns as an issue ... kind of proves Obama's point in spades, doesn't it?<br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...

<a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm">http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm</a> -- that's Obama on the issue of guns. he has fought to reduce violence in inner cities and even agreed that the D.C. gun ban was okay, but he didn't fight to have that ban enacted in hunting communities as well. Clinton is trying to make it seem like Obama wants Indiana to have the same gun regulations as the south side of Chicago when he doesn't and hasn't ever made that claim. moreover, <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm">Clinton has a record of flipping around wildly</a> on this issue that makes Obama look like an NRA candidate. <br><br><br>--<br>[color:red] Kansas Jayhawks -- 2008 National Champions </font color=red>

The more I look at this mailing, the more impressed I am with the sheer audacity of it:<br><br><br>- cover with a photo of a [color:green]hunting rifle and cammo gear</font color=green> ... (probaly would have had a different impact if it was, say, a shot of a Glock or a MAC 10, and some black leather gloves) ...<br> <br>[color:blue]"This mailing applies to YOU, fellow American hunter person!"</font color=blue><br><br><br>- while on the inside, a reference to Obama's supporting [color:red]handgun</font color=red> regulation ... (no mention, of course, that such regulation was a response to inner-city and school violence and had pretty much zero to do with rifles/hunting)<br><br>[color:blue]"Obama wants to take away YOUR guns, fellow American hunter person!"</font color=blue><br><br><br>- a second bullet citing Obama's general support for the Second Amendment "in order to get ... votes" (with a footnote citation right next to the last part, because you *know* the AP had that bit in their reporting ;-)<br><br>[color:blue]"Don't believe Obama when he says such things -- he just fishing for votes! He really DOES want to take away YOUR guns, fellow American hunter person!"</font color=blue><br><br><br>- a wild mischaracterization of Obama's words and intent in the final bullet, ironically designed to inflame they very people Obama was talking about ...<br><br>[color:blue]"Obama says you 'cling to guns!' What an insult!! But don't vote for him, because he'll take YOUR guns away from your clinging hands, fellow American hunter person!"</font color=blue><br><br><br>All, of course, reducing a fairly reasonable and nuanced position into a few easily-digested chunks of words that bear no resemblance to the original thought ...<br><br>Really, really ... just a wonderful - almost brilliant - example of political pandering/manipulation at it's worst ...<br><br>It's no wonder voters are tired of the "old way" of politicking ...<br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...

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