I think what bugs people about BSG is that, for a long time, each episode opened up with telling the audiences that the Cylons had a Plan. And it's become abundantly clear that they never did. In a sense it feels like false advertising.

I think that is partly it and I think they're also a bit of a victim of their own success. If they didn't have shows like 33 I wouldn't expect greatness from them. But it's also largely their own fault because their inconsistencies are so glaring, it makes them look like bumbling writers throwing stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks. First we have 12 cylons, but oops there was a number 8, so now they have 13. It reminds me of that Mel Brooks movie (History of the World was it?) where he plays Moses coming down from the mountain with the commandments, "Behold the 15 (drops one of the stones)... 10 commandments!"

about 'they have a plan', i figure that by now, the humans have so completely screwed up the plan that it doesn't matter any more and the writers were just too lazy to remove it from the intro. hell, did they plan on letting the humans cause such fragmentation between their own members to cause whole lines of cylons to rebel?

btw, i have been listening to the season 1 intro music (the military style marching drum beat) and it's kind of sad that so much of the early kick ass episodes have given way to inter couple drama. i think i'll restart watching from the mini-series after the last episode to compare the writing quality.

i actually began to feel sorry for boomer. damn, sucker punch to the gut. even galen was floored when he realized what he had done.

damn, that 8 is a cold manipulative bitch. she even faked out the queen Bitch herself, ellen.

i thought it started slow, but ramped up to a pretty good last half. the whole deal with the piano player was so heavy handed that i wasn't in the least surprised that it was all in her head. i think the earlier interactions when she's talking to him in front of the barkeeper should have been a warning sign to him to stop serving though. we can't have a clean ship if you got pilots FUI.

next week's blurb expands on what i think will be the end point to the show. i think it could turn out ok, even if they don't leave themselves a way out of it.

with the hole of darkness they've worked themselves into I cannot see this ending on a good note....

would you really ever have expected the show to have a happy ending though?

as for the song, by the end of the episode it had developed into the shows version of 'All Along the Watchtower' from the final episodes of the first half of season four...the same song that the final five were hearing in their heads that drove them together. that's why Tigh and the others were so shocked to hear the song...Starbuck obviously learned it from someone connected to the final five, and Hera is also tied into it all in some way. pretty crazy plot development...

Disarm, that song is from the end of season 3, not the end of the first half of season 4.

Moliere, why do you want space battles when the entire season has been showing Galactica literally falling apart? If there had been a space battle by now, there is a very good chance there would be no Galactica. Be patient.

Moliere, why do you want space battles when the entire season has been showing Galactica literally falling apart? If there had been a space battle by now, there is a very good chance there would be no Galactica. Be patient.

I don't watch House for the interpersonal drama between the hospital staff. I watch House to watch him make fun of people with witty dialgogue. At some point, long ago, this space soap opera got really annoying when it stopped being about space and more about soap opera.

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I think the finale will have plenty of space battles. It's 2 hours long, after all. There will not be a happy ending as Moore confirmed as much.

We've pretty much got an explanation for starbuck. when sam was rambling on he mentioned a 13th cylon who was an artist who loved to play the piano. I think it's pretty clear from here what starbuck is at least part cylon. i have no clue how hera fits into this all. i think it's clear that cavelle wanted hera all along, which is he must've let boomer escape, instead of simply leading them to the fleet. which makes sense, i guess since he can't respawn going gung ho wouldn't be like him. perhaps hera has a link with all the cylons and he can learn resurrection from her? I dunno, hera is a mystery.

finally rosyln dies. god damn she was just annoying all season long. oh woo is me from her was getting old.

finally rosyln dies. god damn she was just annoying all season long. oh woo is me from her was getting old.

I'm not sure if she's dead. Last I remember was seeing someone going to check her pulse, and then nothing else about her. from the preview from next weeks episode if she is indeed dead Adama is taking it quite well. at this point if he lost her I imagine he'd just shut down totally.

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I made that comment because several people in this thread are doing nothing but bitch about this season. They are SO disappointed at the lack of space battles and the fact that things aren't moving at light speed towards giving them the answers they want (and they want them NOW) that they're letting this disappointment overwhelm them as they watch the show. They're missing all the little things that's *gasp* actually giving them answers and tying things together.

For example, did any of you notice the title of Kara's tape? Or were you paying attention to what Helo's attackers said during the mutiny a couple of episodes ago? Did the lightbulb go off as to what Kara was playing on the piano before the other cylons picked it up?

You all should go read Bear McCreary's blog about the show. You would find out that the show's writers are not completely lost; you all just want something that the writers aren't ready to give you yet.

One last thing on the space battles. In the BSG timeline, the second half of season 4 has occurred over a few days. Hell, the mutiny episodes spanned just a few hours, and that was a two part deal. The show is called Battlestar Galactica because that's the name of the ship. In war, ships go extended periods of time without combat. Do you think US Navy Battleships were under constant engagement during World War II? Even in a science fiction show, it would be extremely unrealistic to expect the fleet to come under attack multiple times in the course of a week or two.

I made that comment because several people in this thread are doing nothing but bitch about this season.

I've said some good things about this season here and there. But overall this season has sucked, so there's plenty to bitch about.

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They are SO disappointed at the lack of space battles and the fact that things aren't moving at light speed towards giving them the answers they want (and they want them NOW) that they're letting this disappointment overwhelm them as they watch the show. They're missing all the little things that's *gasp* actually giving them answers and tying things together.

Awful logic. Because I complain about the lack of space battles has nothing to do with whether I miss anything or not. In fact, I haven't missed much, though I've had to work out a lot of stuff as this is some pretty complex shit they're throwing out there (see the OO thread). As for answers, they have an entire series worth of questions to answer and they have 3 hours left now. Tick tock.

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For example, did any of you notice the title of Kara's tape?

Again, your logic is just poor. Because I want answers and because I like space battles I don't see the tape? It was something about the Opera House.

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Did the lightbulb go off as to what Kara was playing on the piano before the other cylons picked it up?

The lightbulb went off for me when Hera handed her the line of dots, which looked nothing like stars. Unfortunately it took another 45 minutes of Emo Starbuck going through this stupid drama with the piano player to get there.

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One last thing on the space battles. In the BSG timeline, the second half of season 4 has occurred over a few days. Hell, the mutiny episodes spanned just a few hours, and that was a two part deal. The show is called Battlestar Galactica because that's the name of the ship. In war, ships go extended periods of time without combat.

They have control over the show, it's not like this stuff really happened and they had to show it. They could have easily had a space battle in the mutiny thing if they wanted to. And yes, in war ships go without combat. This isn't war. This is a TV show. There's a reason this show isn't about the passenger ships riding along with the Battlestar.

Yeah it was kinda slow, but again if you look at it as the lull just after the HUGE storm, it does make sense. I think have just about had enough of Emo-Starbuck tho...I am ready to move on. I guess I can't go far though with 3 eps left.

As for a battle- remember, one jump and Galactica is toast...but with Hera kidnapped...I think we are getting ready for a big old fight.

I am assuming it will all end *well* but that being a very relative term. Still way better than most shows and really it is a fun show to watch.

Yeah it was kinda slow, but again if you look at it as the lull just after the HUGE storm, it does make sense. I think have just about had enough of Emo-Starbuck tho...I am ready to move on. I guess I can't go far though with 3 eps left.

As for a battle- remember, one jump and Galactica is toast...but with Hera kidnapped...I think we are getting ready for a big old fight.

I am assuming it will all end *well* but that being a very relative term. Still way better than most shows and really it is a fun show to watch.

Here's my question. Did Boomer actually make the jump or did she hit the side of the ship and explode? I thought she exploded. I didn't watch next weeks previews though so they may have showed more.

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Here's my question. Did Boomer actually make the jump or did she hit the side of the ship and explode? I thought she exploded. I didn't watch next weeks previews though so they may have showed more.

No, she made the jump. But the jump so close to the Galactica caused the explosion/implosion whatever it was. Of course this makes one wonder why the cylons have hit the Galactica with so many nukes. Why not just get a bunch of raiders to jump right next to it?

Here's my question. Did Boomer actually make the jump or did she hit the side of the ship and explode? I thought she exploded. I didn't watch next weeks previews though so they may have showed more.

No, she made the jump. But the jump so close to the Galactica caused the explosion/implosion whatever it was. Of course this makes one wonder why the cylons have hit the Galactica with so many nukes. Why not just get a bunch of raiders to jump right next to it?

I'm just going to go with it for fear or more montages of Adama weeping over the bulkheads with corncern.

Here's my question. Did Boomer actually make the jump or did she hit the side of the ship and explode? I thought she exploded. I didn't watch next weeks previews though so they may have showed more.

No, she made the jump. But the jump so close to the Galactica caused the explosion/implosion whatever it was. Of course this makes one wonder why the cylons have hit the Galactica with so many nukes. Why not just get a bunch of raiders to jump right next to it?

Please, oh master of all things Battlestar, explain how the Cylons could get enough ships through the Galactica's defense grid to pull off such a feat? Though I doubt you could answer that, seeing as how you don't even know how many hours of the show are left this season.

Please, oh master of all things Battlestar, explain how the Cylons could get enough ships through the Galactica's defense grid to pull off such a feat? Though I doubt you could answer that, seeing as how you don't even know how many hours of the show are left this season.

Jesus Christ what are you, 12? Lol, who gives a shit if there are 3 or 4 or whatever hours left in the season? And master of all things Battlestar? WTF? That's just stupid. I'm just someone who watches the show. I don't profess to know everything about it (indeed, if you've seen the OO thread it's quite the opposite).

As to how they could get ships through, they've managed to do so before. They rammed Galactica with the raider and they've gotten nukes through. Plus if they know the coordinates of the Galactica, and they have many times before, they could jump right on the damn thing if they wanted. Either way, it's just making fun of this new little reveal of theirs. All shows have such little things like that. Don't get all in a huff because I'm critiquing your show, fanboy .

Please, oh master of all things Battlestar, explain how the Cylons could get enough ships through the Galactica's defense grid to pull off such a feat? Though I doubt you could answer that, seeing as how you don't even know how many hours of the show are left this season.

Jesus Christ what are you, 12? Lol, who gives a shit if there are 3 or 4 or whatever hours left in the season? And master of all things Battlestar? WTF? That's just stupid. I'm just someone who watches the show. I don't profess to know everything about it (indeed, if you've seen the OO thread it's quite the opposite).

As to how they could get ships through, they've managed to do so before. They rammed Galactica with the raider and they've gotten nukes through. Plus if they know the coordinates of the Galactica, and they have many times before, they could jump right on the damn thing if they wanted. Either way, it's just making fun of this new little reveal of theirs. All shows have such little things like that. Don't get all in a huff because I'm critiquing your show, fanboy .

Jesus Christ what are you, an ass? I will admit, it is rather funny watching you declare yourself winner of a debate about the show when you can't even get simple facts straight.

You're also clearly a master of sarcasm.

As for your argument: a) that was one raider, and b) nukes are much smaller than raiders. Please, try again.

There'll probably be an attack pretty soon. Likely the two reasons why they haven't attacked are A) Cylons are now mortal, B) Hera, the future of the Cylon species is aboard the Galactica and any attack on the fleet while the Galactica is damaged so puts her at risk.

Condition B is taken care of, and Cabil is very willing to sacrifice a lot of Cylons for his goals.

All buffoonery aside, I'm looking forward to seeing how it ends, even if the end is clearly rushed and filling in gaps as best they can.

I'm thinking the new info about the FTL jumps damaging Galactica if too close are due to it being in such bad shape.

This.

The "bad" Cylons likely aren't aware of the structural problems that Galactica is facing. It's not exactly policy for a warship to broadcast it's recently discovered vulnerabilities.

Boomer would be the only one that "might" have an idea but she wouldn't have seen the dramatic effect her jumping so close to Galactica would have caused since at that point she was in the nebulous space between jumps.

I agree that the jumps wouldn't normally be catastrophic, but a jump like that is going to cause the Galactica to flex as part of it gets pulled into the subspace rift. Flexing isn't something the old girl can do very well right now.

I thought it was bad the way they made Roslyn appear to be tied to Hera in last week's episode, but this week she's in bed seemingly no more sick than she was before. What was the point of her collapsing last week?

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I don't think he had thought about it, but Adama realized that he had no plan and wasn't going to let it happen.

Remember, I said "slightly better" episode. They advanced the plot towards the eventual abandonment of the Galactica, Kara getting more clues about who/what she is and small steps towards an explanation about Hera's importance.

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I thought it was bad the way they made Roslyn appear to be tied to Hera in last week's episode, but this week she's in bed seemingly no more sick than she was before. What was the point of her collapsing last week?

Hasn't she been dying of terminal cancer for the last 4 years? She really needs to either die or be magically cured. These long drawn out deathbed scenes are getting tedious.

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i guessed this would be a start to the finale, and it was. too bad they couldn't make it more exciting, but whatever. so close to the end of new episodes, i'll watch what i can. looks like they are going to scuttle the ship, but the preview hints at another possibility, although it makes little sense considering the state of things.

good to see that boomer felt guilty at the end, when hera was calling for her. serves you right, stupid. hope athena puts a bullet in your head the next time she sees you. the only way she should live is if she somehow saves hera or kills cabel. sp?

funny comment of the night from the wife: bsg sure seems to have a thing against the black cylon. haven't seen him in ages, let alone heard him speak.

btw, where the frak is kera's cylon buddy? after earth, he upped and disappeared again.

Kara slaps Baltar? Really? Kara? Since when does Kara hesitate about punching someone?

What would Helo do with a raptor, start jumping at random through open space?

This was the worst episode of the season for me.....what a bore.

Good point about Helo, that was weird wasn't it? I understand being distressed about losing Hera, but think man think!!!!

Those "answers" need to come fast, and be well thought out and well written. If they don't, I fear the shows legacy might be tainted by what I feel is a tacked on finale to the show. I'm a huge BSG fan, I love the show, but just like I loved the X-Files, another show that had a weak ending, I look back now and see so many wasted opportunities.