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Friday, July 5, 2013

Ron Weinland: You Members Are Too Stupid To Prove Anything Or Discover Truth On Your Own

Last week Weinerdude admits that his god did not inspire him to write anything to the members of his cult. Today he is back with a letter to the sheeple that believe they need to follow Weinerdude's 57 "truths" in order to gain salvation. In order to do that though, they are not to "prove" the 57 truths are correct but are to accept them as fact and to put them into practices as if they already are. The membership are not to waste their time studying, proving, examining, or questioning the "truths." Since Weinerdude's god reveled these "truths" they are deemed "true" already. Because government is from the top down, "knowledge" comes from the top and you are not to question it.

Within the Body of Christ, truth is not revealed to individual
members through personal study, insight, and/or intellect, no matter how
much one might try to prove something true or false through their own
ability. Such an idea, concept, or teaching is totally contrary to the
truth of God, the working of His ministry, and the structure God has
created within His Church – government.

What Paul was saying was that people are to prove – to establish the
validity of God’s truths and ways – by putting them to work through
living and exercising them in their life and thereby approving them as
the only true way of life to live. When he says to “prove all
things,” he is only speaking of “all” things that are given from God
and not of living and trying all things that are possible in human life.

When a person seeks to "prove" something is true or false they become agents of Satan:

The twist that some have placed on the word “prove” is indeed sly,
deceptive, insidious, and totally false. It is highly dangerous
spiritually because of what such a concept actually teaches. It teaches
that individuals have the ability within them to discern, judge,
examine, and decide for themselves what is true and what is false. If
that were true, we would not need God’s spirit to lead us into all
truth. No one has such ability apart from God to discern or know such
things. Such must be revealed spiritually to us by God. That is how
God works in us to give us His truths. The idea that individuals have
the ability within themselves to discern or learn what is true, apart
from God revealing it, is the same lie Satan foisted upon the first two
human beings. Satan seeks to sneak that false concept into the lives of
all with whom God calls and works with. That is how he led a third of
the angelic realm to follow him.

It is simply a lie to believe that anyone can come to the knowledge
of the truth – of what is right or wrong – by human reasoning,
intellect, study, or by any other human means. Nor can one “go back” and
re-prove truth through their own intellect, reasoning, or study. They
cannot re-prove what they never proved as true anyway. It was given
directly from God and only received as a matter of faith.

All truth comes through Weinerdude or maybe Mrs. Weinerdude, on a good day.

That is the way God reveals all truth to us. It begins to be revealed to
us from the beginning of our calling, and then God’s spirit continues
to reveal more and more to us in order for us to continue building on
what has been given before. So how does God reveal His truth and true
ways of life to people? Is it done by personal revelation that is
“directly” from God and straight to an individual? No, not unless one is
a prophet or apostle. That is simply how God has structured His Church
and how it is to function. It is how God works.

When a person starts to study, do research, or examine Weinerdude's utterances, they are essentially turning themselves over to Satan. Once hey are in Satan's grasp their lives become more comfortable and peaceful. Only the true believers live lives of turmoil and upheaval. Those that have left Weinerdude's cult are not living lives of comfort now that they have repudiated Weinerdude.

When someone begins to believe the lie that they can reason and study
to know God’s truth then they quickly begin to lose what God freely
gave them, since it is God who not only gives His truth to us, but it is
God who sustains it in us through His spirit dwelling in us. Truly, the
bottom line is a matter of knowing where God’s true Church is, and only
God can reveal that single spiritual body to someone. That Church is
the only means that God has given that enables spiritual growth through
sermons, other recorded truth, and written material God and Christ
inspire to be given to His people through His ministry. Without that
direct source that God works through His Church and His ministry, one
will begin to starve spiritually from lack of food that comes only in
this manner.

Indeed, how quickly individuals can lose what God freely gave them
once they choose to believe any lie and separate themselves from God’s
Church. Individuals can and have gone quickly back to believing that the
rock (Petra, Selah) is about a physical place of safety (protection) in
Jordan, instead of God being our Rock of safety. Individuals have
returned to believing that there are two eternally existing Gods, as
they actually return to embrace a strong portion of the Catholic
doctrine of the Trinity. And on and on it goes. Such is Satan’s
pleasure. He and the demonic world cease to attack them, but instead
make their life more comfortable in this physical world to which they
have returned. Such individuals are no longer engaged in a spiritual
battle to hold fast to what God had given them.

It is for such reasons that we should study the truths God has given
us so that we can remain sharpened and strong in God’s word. This is
simply a part of holding fast to what God has given already and not
letting it slip away, but remembering it and thereby being more readily
able to build upon it as God continues to freely give us more. We should
seek to remember and hold fast to what we are given. That does indeed
mean we are to “go back” and be reminded and strengthened in what God
has given us. That is the correct context we should use if ever speaking
of “going back,” but never in the context of proving things to
ourselves apart from what God has given – 57 Truths!

So, he's just totally invalidated the usefulness of bible study for the average member.

Basically, this is Ron Weinland attempting to set up himself and his wife, if not his his whole family, as priests. Another Old Testament argument that you can't go to god directly, you have to go to Ron. It's a ploy to make himself "necessary" instead of "optional."

I feel sorry for anyone who still takes this crap seriously from any of these blowhards.

"Within the Body of Christ, truth is not revealed to individual members through personal study, insight, and/or intellect, no matter how much one might try to prove something true or false through their own ability."

He is giving the reason why the members should stay. Ron plays the role of the high priest and you need him to access and understand Gods will, which is entirely bullshit!

When a man like Ron comes in between you and God know that he is not the interceding authority. That would be Jesus Christ. For his claim to be true he would have to be Jesus. He's not. Ron is a heretic and you don't need any of these people to claim your own salvation.

Remember, folks, on judgment day, Ron Weinland is not going to be standing next to you as your attorney before Father God the judge! Based on that, I wouldn't be too quick to insert him anywhere else in the relationship, either.

The Church is NOT God's government on earth, there is NOT one man that is the head of the Church on earth, and we are NOT dependent on men, we can go directly to our Father now, because of the sacrifice of His Son, our Saviour, Jesus Christ.

If people would only study their bibles....(maybe that's why some of these "leaders" discourage personal bible study)...

my advice is to stay away from any group that discourges personal study.