Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Just like they "age like fine wine" in the bottle.

Royal Oud is a good incensey fragrance with no tricks. Just an appealing, safe formula with good ingredients. I find the oud to be prominent enough to pick out; it's the same synthetic oud in most of the other mass market oud fragrances. There may be a blend of real oud, but ouds vary so much it would be impossible for me to tell.

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Originally Posted by lovingthealien

Just like they "age like fine wine" in the bottle.

Royal Oud is a good incensey fragrance with no tricks. Just an appealing, safe formula with good ingredients. I find the oud to be prominent enough to pick out; it's the same synthetic oud in most of the other mass market oud fragrances. There may be a blend of real oud, but ouds vary so much it would be impossible for me to tell.

Real oud is now so rare and expensive it is hard to believe there would be much of it in a mass-produced fragrance. Even if it the company could afford it, it would be hard to find enough of consistent quality to make a consistent product.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Originally Posted by BurgundyMarsh

Real oud is now so rare and expensive it is hard to believe there would be much of it in a mass-produced fragrance. Even if it the company could afford it, it would be hard to find enough of consistent quality to make a consistent product.

Mona di Orio manages to pull this off, but never would this be possible for such a huge mid-market company like Creed. Not like they're really into batch consistency, anyway.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Creed is the most overrated niche house in the world!

But if you like blind buy fragrances Creed is your house. For just 200$ every time you get different juice. That's just great!
There are 100 better vetiver based fragrances than Original vetiver for much less money.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

The part I don't "get" is how no other house draws so much criticism and ire as Creed, at least here on Basenotes. Perhaps it's in response to the sometimes wild-eyed followers that certain Creed fragrances receive? Maybe some find it necessary to hate a particular house/fragrance in order to save all their love for another?

Go through Creed's entire catalog (trying the discontinued ones, too, like Angelique Encens, Vintage Tabarome, Cypres-Musc, Bois de Santal, Aubepine Acacia). At that point one should, at the very least, understand why SOME favor Creed's offerings to others.

Personally - I enjoy how wearable Creed's fragrances are, and how there always seems to be a time or occasion to wear one. Royal-Oud and Original Vetiver are both very wearable, understated, and masterfully blended. In Original Vetiver one can enjoy vetiver without being overwhelmed with its sharp, earthy/rooty natural character.

As far as price is concerned, there's really no sense in saying "Luxury Item X" is overpriced compared to "Luxury Item Y". Creed flacons in 250, 500 and 1000ml sizes allow people to experience Creed fragrances at as little as < $1/ml.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Originally Posted by AnthonyDG

The part I don't "get" is how no other house draws so much criticism and ire as Creed, at least here on Basenotes. Perhaps it's in response to the sometimes wild-eyed followers that certain Creed fragrances receive? Maybe some find it necessary to hate a particular house/fragrance in order to save all their love for another?

Go through Creed's entire catalog (trying the discontinued ones, too, like Angelique Encens, Vintage Tabarome, Cypres-Musc, Bois de Santal, Aubepine Acacia). At that point one should, at the very least, understand why SOME favor Creed's offerings to others.

Personally - I enjoy how wearable Creed's fragrances are, and how there always seems to be a time or occasion to wear one. Royal-Oud and Original Vetiver are both very wearable, understated, and masterfully blended. In Original Vetiver one can enjoy vetiver without being overwhelmed with its sharp, earthy/rooty natural character.

As far as price is concerned, there's really no sense in saying "Luxury Item X" is overpriced compared to "Luxury Item Y". Creed flacons in 250, 500 and 1000ml sizes allow people to experience Creed fragrances at as little as < $1/ml.

If I buy GIT and it smells great I want my next bottle of GIT to smell the same. Well that's not the case. And if I pay 200$ for a bottle of perfume I at least except to smell the same as my previous bottle. Is that to much to ask? The other perfume houses manage to do that for less money. See now why all the hate towards Creed?

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Originally Posted by AnthonyDG

The part I don't "get" is how no other house draws so much criticism and ire as Creed, at least here on Basenotes. Perhaps it's in response to the sometimes wild-eyed followers that certain Creed fragrances receive? Maybe some find it necessary to hate a particular house/fragrance in order to save all their love for another?

Go through Creed's entire catalog (trying the discontinued ones, too, like Angelique Encens, Vintage Tabarome, Cypres-Musc, Bois de Santal, Aubepine Acacia). At that point one should, at the very least, understand why SOME favor Creed's offerings to others.

Personally - I enjoy how wearable Creed's fragrances are, and how there always seems to be a time or occasion to wear one. Royal-Oud and Original Vetiver are both very wearable, understated, and masterfully blended. In Original Vetiver one can enjoy vetiver without being overwhelmed with its sharp, earthy/rooty natural character.

As far as price is concerned, there's really no sense in saying "Luxury Item X" is overpriced compared to "Luxury Item Y". Creed flacons in 250, 500 and 1000ml sizes allow people to experience Creed fragrances at as little as < $1/ml.

I completely agree with the entirety of this post. Here's a good experiment for all you critics of niche house batch differences: For those that enjoy mixed cocktails, mix your favorite drink several times using the same "recipe". Does it taste EXACTLY the same every time? No, it doesn't, I know because I've been a bartender for twenty years. If you want everything you buy to smell just the same as the last thing you bought get yourself some designer fragrances and shut the hell up.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

I have quite a few Creed fragrances and personally ignore all the fuss surrounding the debate around the house. In my experience what makes Creed interesting is that certain fragrances like Bois Du Portugal that I go back to after having not worn for a while and I am again suprised by just how damn good it is. They seem to excel at fairly simple but very clever compositions with usually high quality ingredients. I am in the camp that prefers the older stuff to a lot of their more recent efforts however.

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Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

No, I still don't see why all the hate towards Creed. Batch variation isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Creed, nor is it a big issue if you buy from a retailer or business with a return policy and take precautions against fakes. As fragrances age they begin to smell different. As certain raw materials are not available and others are supplemented, they will smell different. As "restrictions" from IFRA have put pressure on the industry to not use allergens, ingredients are omitted and reformulations occur. So perhaps it is too much to ask - I wish the Antaeus, Pour Monsieur and Egoiste on shelves today smelled like the ones sold 30 years ago, just as I wish Millesime Imperial smelled closer to the Millesime Imperial I got 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by limaaa

If I buy GIT and it smells great I want my next bottle of GIT to smell the same. Well that's not the case. And if I pay 200$ for a bottle of perfume I at least except to smell the same as my previous bottle. Is that to much to ask? The other perfume houses manage to do that for less money. See now why all the hate towards Creed?

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Sometimes this comes down to adjusting one's expectations, especially when it's a question of citrus-heavy fragrances - where Creed really shines. Citruses have very short longevity - whether it's Creed, Guerlain, Dior, Chanel, Hermes, etc. I have several Creed fragrances that are parfum strength, like Angelique Encens. Its musky vanilla dry-down is on my skin 24 hours after application. Same goes for Bois du Portugal, Aventus, Fleur de The Rose Bulgare, Royal Delight, etc. etc. But no, Bois de Cedrat and Neroli Sauvage are not going to give more than 4 hours, and this is just the way it goes with citruses.

Originally Posted by Akahina

I have never found a Creed fragrance I did not like...or a Creed that lasted long enough to make it worth the price.

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Originally Posted by Profumo Saggio

I completely agree with the entirety of this post. Here's a good experiment for all you critics of niche house batch differences: For those that enjoy mixed cocktails, mix your favorite drink several times using the same "recipe". Does it taste EXACTLY the same every time? No, it doesn't, I know because I've been a bartender for twenty years. If you want everything you buy to smell just the same as the last thing you bought get yourself some designer fragrances and shut the hell up.

Yes, the coctail smells the same every time if they are made by a person who knows how to make them. Well my Musc Ravageur smells the same every time, same goes for hmmmmm EVERY PERFUME HOUSE EXCEPT CREED!

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I think comments like that does Creed quite a big disservice, To imply a company that has created the likes of Cypres-Musc, Bois de Santal, Angelique Encens, Green Irish Tweed, Selection Verte , Windsor, Vetiver 48 are entry level is very wide of the mark.

Originally Posted by Akahina

I have never found a Creed fragrance I did not like...or a Creed that lasted long enough to make it worth the price.

Its very easy to be sensationalist when you've only tried one fragrance from a line. on I honestly don't know what you guys are doing as Aventus is one of the strongest scents out there.

Re: Creed is so far ahead of the game that it takes you months to "get" them

Originally Posted by AnthonyDG

No, I still don't see why all the hate towards Creed.

Actually, there hasn't been much "hate" in this thread; people have been quite civilized and/or good humored in their criticism.

What's irritating is people who can't accept that other people might disagree with them and nobody's necessarily wrong. You don't like Creed? You just haven't spent the time to try and "get" it. You don't think Creed lasts long enough? You just have to change your expectations. You think Creed's whole style is pompous and overblown? There's something wrong with you!

How about just accept that people's tastes are different and stop being so defensive?

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Excuse you, but I was responding to the word "hate" that limaaa used, when he asked "see now why all the hate towards Creed?" Your attitude is fairly unpleasant, though.

Feel free to disagree with me while I'm merely stating the obvious and reiterating facts. If you believe a citrus fragrance should last 24 hours on your skin, you should adjust your expectations or you'll be unhappy when it doesn't happen. It's the nature of a citrus fragrance and the way the ingredients behave once applied. That's universal - not exclusive to Creed.

Pompous and overblown? Easy to throw those terms around and, of course, very relative within this industry of luxury goods! LOL - Companies like Clive Christian are clearly much more pompous to the point of being gaudy - but that's the image they sell, as "the most expensive perfume in the world".

You've clearly made up your mind and are entitled to your opinions. I'm not trying to change your position, but don't think it will go unchallenged if everything wrong with fragrance, in your mind, goes back to Creed and the fact you've tried to "get it" since 1998. Maybe you're searching for something that just doesn't exist?

Originally Posted by Kagey

Actually, there hasn't been much "hate" in this thread; people have been quite civilized and/or good humored in their criticism.

What's irritating is people who can't accept that other people might disagree with them and nobody's necessarily wrong. You don't like Creed? You just haven't spent the time to try and "get" it. You don't think Creed lasts long enough? You just have to change your expectations. You think Creed's whole style is pompous and overblown? There's something wrong with you!

How about just accept that people's tastes are different and stop being so defensive?