Disy proposal on ‘enosis’ approved amid tension (update 4)

RULING Disy and main opposition Akel MPs voted on Friday to reverse a previous parliamentary decision to commemorate the 1950 ‘enosis’ (union with Greece) referendum in public schools that led to the interruption of reunification talks.

Thirty MPs voted in favour and 20 against during a tense session that saw Disy MPs walk out briefly after an Elam MP described them as traitors for proposing an amendment.

Elam supporters sitting in the gallery booed the Disy MPs, prompting House Speaker Demetris Syllouris to order the public to leave the hall.

At the same time, Elam MP Linos Papayiannis and Akel MP Giorgos Georgiou exchanged words, prompting others to intervene before matters got out of hand.

The discussion restarted without Disy MPs, who left the room in protest, and with Syllouris allowing the public to remain but demanding order.

Disy MPs returned to their seats after the Elam MP finished his speech.

The proposal was voted into law by 16 MPs from the ruling party – Andreas Kyprianou and Eleni Stavrou broke ranks and opposed – and all 14 Akel MPs in attendance. A senior Disy official, Soteris Drakos, also announced he was resigning in protest to the vote.

Disy’s proposal, designed to overturn parliament’s decision in mid-February, which introduced a short in-class commemoration of the 1950 referendum for ‘enosis’ in state schools and caused the withdrawal of the Turkish Cypriot leader from the peace talks, was supported by main opposition Akel.

Its approval would pave the way for the resumption of talks, already announced for Tuesday.

Elam supporters had assembled outside parliament to protest against changing the decision.

Some verbally attacked Akel leader Andros Kyprianou as he was leaving parliament after the plenary session ended, calling him a traitor and shouting that he should be ashamed of himself.

Speaking to reporters after the incident, Kyprianou said Akel “will not kneel before troublemakers”.

“Whether some like it or not, this is a democracy,” he said.

“These same attitudes are what led us to the great disaster of 1974.”

The passing of the proposal was hailed by Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci, who said it’s now time to look forward and start a new phase in the talks.

Before the vote, parties debated the issue, following a highly unusual move by Syllouris to take the floor and argue in favour of having the vote postponed.

The Greens’ Yiorgos Perdikis said the party would vote against the proposal because giving in to Turkish demands would only serve to encourage her.

“Today, parliament is about to intervene in the Cyprus problem, succumbing to illegal and despicable demands,” he said.

The same argument was made by Solidarity’s Michalis Yiorgallas, while the party’s other MP Yiorgos Papadopoulos said history would list those who voted in favour of the proposal in “its darkest records as Ephialtes” – a reference to ancient Greece’s most infamous traitor.

This sparked outrage among Disy and Akel deputies, and Syllouris asked that the remark be retracted.

Citizens’ Alliance leader Yiorgos Lillikas said his party too would oppose the proposal, but went out of his way to appear conciliatory, refraining from incendiary language because “it wouldn’t help with anything”.

“I would accept humiliation, if humiliation were guaranteed to lead to a just solution of the Cyprus problem,” Lillikas said.

“But it won’t – it will just lead to the resumption of talks. And if we have already allowed Akinci to intervene, then his interventions will simply increase, both in number and scope.”

Edek leader Marinos Sizopoulos blamed the entire political fracas on Disy, which “had the chance to vote against the Elam proposal” when it was first tabled on February 10, but didn’t.

Nicolas Papadopoulos, leader of third-largest party Diko, said deciding on Disy’s proposal was triggered not by popular demand but because “the other side is demanding it”.

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“The message we are sending is that we are susceptible to blackmail and pressure,” he said.

“We are being led to complications. We are being driven further from a solution to the Cyprus problem.”

On this day in 2004, he said, referring to the famous televised appeal to reject the Annan plan read out by his father, late former president Tassos Papadopoulos, we were asked to defend the honour and dignity of the people.

“Thirteen years later, that is exactly what we will do,” he added.

Akel leader Andros Kyprianou said he was saddened by the level of dialogue witnessed at the plenum.

“Some are exercising the rhetoric of hatred, which this parliament has voted to make illegal,” he said.

“We are breeding fanaticism.”

Akel, Kyprianou said, disagreed with Disy’s proposal, but would support it as a means to kick-start the stalled Cyprus problem negotiations.

“We disagree with transferring power from an elected body to an appointed individual,” he said.

“But it’s not a matter of principle.”

Defending his party’s proposal, Disy leader Averof Neophytou said the debate was focused on issues that “should have been considered closed since the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus” in 1960.

“I checked to see for statements commemorating the 1950 Enosis referendum by any of the parties now demanding its commemoration in state schools on January 15, 2017,” Neophytou said.

“I found nothing.”

Detractors, he added, correctly pointed out that the parliament’s decision was merely an excuse for the Turkish and Turkish Cypriot side to withdraw from the talks.

Later, the House rejected a proposal by the Green party to call on President Nicos Anastasiades to ask Akinci to remove the flag of the so-called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which is plastered on the south-facing side of the Pentadaktylos mountains, as a gesture of good will.

The honourable Baby Pap( Nicolas Papadopoulos) is at it again!
It seems he is hell bent to preserve his late father’s wishes.Absolutely NO solution,even if the ‘end justifies the means’.Apparently,there is a clause in his late father’s will that in the event of a solution of the CyProb he would loose his inheritance.It will all go to his siblings.

I can’t really blame him for that.

afrocyprus

My Friend the” No Solution” lies across to the North, go and see your mates the colonists and your mates in Turkey, Erdogan and his merry men.The removal of Celebration day is to get rid of the feeble excuse Erdogan told Akinci to run away from the talks. Lets see now what other BS you lot come up with to walk away from the peace table. what this space.

Bob

A prime example why Turkey cannot be fair when it comes to s solution of Cyprus. The GC hold TC land in the south but do not issue title deeds do not state that the homes the refugees live in belong to them. On the other hand the TC in the north live sell obtain title deeds and never had the so called fake TRNG whatever they call them selves ever said theses properties are held in trust by their pseudo government.

So now we come to the fkn enosis angourakia and yes we have reversed it just like my rear end but will Akinchi remove his flag I await same fro his people if not he should no doubt expect no solution and we should wait until the flag is removed before we get back to the table

braveheart

Keep waiting, uncle!

Slomi

Indeed.

Bob

And now it is time to get rid of the fkn flag on the mountain showing enosis with the Tourchi…Mr Acinci you know all about equality re koumbare we hope you do the same for your TC

afrocyprus

Bob, unfortunately Mr Acinci cannot fart without the permission of his master ( Erdogan), Turkey has systematically made sure that the Colonists that were brought over from Turkey rule the roost in the North, slowly over the 43 years the TC’s have been drained and assimilated in the colonist hive, they really don’t have any power and Turkey will never give up its grasp on Cyprus,

The losers in this game will be the Tc’s they need to wake up and see whats happening before its too late, maybe it has?

Bob

That is why we should not unite there serves no advantage to GC. All that will happen is that the TC will have rights in the south to their properties without restrictions on the end so we can show the world we are good people. On the other hand the TC will obtain full Eu membership and all the trimmings to go with it and the gaithouri GC will be deprived of many human rights in many areas relating to the north as in the AP which was self explanutory only this time it will be much worse they will get the rubber stamp.

In my opinion we should shut the crossings and confiscate the TC property in an adequate and fair way amounts our own people and keep the TC away from the south with barbed wire. Otherwise Death will come to our future generations with mother Turkey in charge

afrocyprus

No No, I disagree with you, Tc’s have the same rights as us Gc’s I have no problem with that at all, my beef is with the Turks and Anatolian idiots that have taken over the North and want to make it their own under recognized TRNC
which will not happen but that is their secret agenda, and at the expense of the TC’s people,,, your beef should not be with the TC but the leeches I told you about.

Bob

Yes I do agree fully but how can we seperate our Turkish Cypriot friends from the Anatolians. Know it is wrong to group them together but how will they be seperated when Turkey is promoting expansionism in many other countries Anatolians waving flags around like fkn nutcases. We cannot beat them there are 70 million of the filthy bastards. And that is why unfortunately if the TC cannot stand up to the Anatolian we have no choice to group them but together no matter how hard we try not to

afrocyprus

I think the damage has been done in the 43 years, most Tc’s have had enough I know many that have left Cyprus and come to the UK ,

If you think about it logically OK, the Tc’s and Gc’s apart from their differences they also had lots in conman too, people forget that .

The Anatolian’s and Turks that arrived their after 74 have no interaction or culture on the Island let alone with the Greeks, That’s has been the Goal of Turkey.

Is up to the likes of Akinci or someone to stand up to Turkey and tell her to butt out.

braveheart

Who cares what you think, uncle? Nobody in the TRNC.

afrocyprus

Bob, Ignore Bravefart, he won’t answer your comments when he is Turkish Troll

Brad Johnson

we already suggested yesterday that with the removal of enosis referendum in school, that they remove the flag. But they said no. Great isnt it…

Bob

?lets revers the enosis once again until Mr Akinchi treats people with equality… one day he himself will be taught a lesson in equality..

Brad Johnson

except that wont happen. because our politicians are sellout p*ssies.

afrocyprus

Dear Bob, Akinci cannot do nothing without the consent of his puppet master, the problem goes deeper down the rabbit hole. the TC’s have no real say anymore about Cyprus. they been assimilated in the Anatolian collective.

Nick

Thank god that common sense prevailed and parliament got rid of this enosis rubbish. I can never understand this fascination of enosis with Greece, especially as Greece is a basket case and has always caused many problems for Cyprus. In order to move forward we need to forget this idiotic ultra nationalistic agenda…

Veritas

A mature and balanced comment.

afrocyprus

Its a freedom of choice, if we start to choose and cherry pick we go down the road as the Turkey does,I dont agree with the celebration but if blocks another excuse for the TC’s to use then thats good its a myth we want enosis with Greece but it a way for the colonists and trolls to use as propaganda weapon to put fear in the TC’s

hh faris

afrocyprus, bealestreet!! are you upset because a Turk pickt your cherry??

afrocyprus

I not upset at all, the losers in all this will be the Turkish Cypriots if peace does not prevail ,
The only reason you fools either you being FF or change to Braveheart are two fold, either your extreme right wing from the Turkey and want to expand the BS fake otter-man empire or your a Colonist that will probably be booted out from Cyprus,

You seem to forget or don’t have the intellect for us nothing changes we carry on as have done for 43 years improving our status as we go along and continue to be pure GC’s , on the other hand the North will continue to be as it is has another 43 years, no change of any benefits from the EU ( Erdogan made sure if that)
TC’s be wiped out, and your so called fake unrecognized TRNC will still be the same. NOTHING.

Sorry if I paint you a sad picture of life in the North, but its about time the TC’s man up and face you scumbags and see what your real agenda is.

Mr. Poopybutthole

Greece is such a dump. Both social and economic. Still wondering why Cypriots are so indoctrinated with that enosis thing

afrocyprus

Its a flag waving celb you fool, I ask you the same thing shall I, why don’t you get rid of all the Turkish flags in the North, what are they worth? a dictatorship country, rules by fear and fist, jails 1000s of people with no trials, fights with every country, has enemies on all its borders. is hated by most other democratic countries and is a bully and aggressor , caused genocides. and you have the nerve to slate of Greece,,

HAHA Greece is a saint compared to Turkey mate. I know what flag I would wave.

Mr. Poopybutthole

I have no connections neither with Turkey nor with that banana republic in the North.

Mr. Poopybutthole

But that really really doesn’t mean that Greece stopped being a dump. It’s the most terrible EU country I ever visited.

afrocyprus

Don’t lie you never left your Cave, or shall we talk about the back alleys of Ankara were I saw people urinating from the windows onto the street???? last time I read about that was in a English history book based in the 16th century

Mr. Poopybutthole

Mother of God. You are full of fashist crap.
I was in Turkey once in my life. In Antalya. And yes, I liked it

Bob

Yes but TC must do he same with there mother

Dynosavros

British and Turks need a lesson on CB.Both consider that they are doing well 43 years now-Many G/cs feel the same.I am an individual not a politician therefore i can write here by thoughts. I consider that all presidents of ROC since 1974 are doing much much better than these two.There was a Turkish invasion .Ok, we take this as granted. Military power of the invader side. Present result. A fake state in North – per international law can not be recognized since created by power of arms – A full Greek controlled ROC in South -member of EU and recently with great promising gas reserves. My point is that ,if Greek side succeed to have negotiations going on peacefully for other 5-10 years then EU will come to a point to establish a European defense treaty-Trump is giving some help recently with his positions.If therefore ROC succeed to keep the negotiations going on for other 5-10 years then gas will be secured, economy will be secured in South -a healthy 2nd GREEK State will be established – If Greek side succeed to get Famagusta then game is over for Turks in Cyprus. It will be just matter of some more years.-do not sign a surrender agreement.History is count in centuries not years.KEEP WALKING…

braveheart

Mistake: “per international law can not be recognized since created by power of arms”.
There is no such “international law”. Recognition of another country is the right of each sovereign state according to its national interest. Neither the UN nor anybody else has a say in that.
The rest of your day dream is better forgotten, it’s total nonsense.

Dynosavros

Then sign an agreement with ROC . You deeply need this 43 years now-You will (i do not know who you are) -they- will need this in order to be “legal ” citizens-this going to be in vain. You/they will never get this signature.

braveheart

No need for “signatures”. The TRNC continues to exist without consent of the “Republic” and in time will be recognized one by one.

Dynosavros

You are right-may be by Pakistan/ Turkemistan !! ISIS-!!!ROC keep walking -you deal with stupids is affair to loose this game with these idiots.

braveheart

Pakistan is fine. 180 times larger than the “Republic”.

Dynosavros

No problem if you are happy with this.I can forecast for sure -at Least T/cs will bake in few years to have this signature-but unfo-Greeks never forget-never- even after 400 years.

braveheart

Already “baking” now, wonderful pide bread.

afrocyprus

Davos, BH is an idiot, he is fixated to thinking that the TRNC will be recognized, let him think that, he is only a sardine in a ocean.

George

Listen mainland Turk Peasant if you don’t recognise the Republic then give back you’re Passport, you know the one signed of by the democratically elected government of Cyprus, and go and get a Turkish one. You’re not a Braveheart but just a Peasant Turk!

afrocyprus

George: BH is an idiot, he is fixated to thinking that the TRNC will be recognized, let him think that, he is only a sardine in a ocean.

hh faris

afrocyprus, bealestreet!! And you are waste, the sardine shits out!!!

afrocyprus

Why dont you choose who you want to be either HH or Braveheart, CM are not stupid, seeing your IP address will be the same you fool.

hh faris

George, Or shall I say Steve?? How is the Archbishop?? You filthy mouth little s&t!!! Do you still get on your knees every sunday??

George

HOW IS YOU’RE BACKSIDES WITH THE FILTHY DISGUSTING MAINLAND TURKISH PIGS WHIPPING YOU’RE BACKSIDES IN THE NORTH. MIND YOU YOU’RE FAMILY COME FROM THE MAINLAND SO IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO TO YOU YOU”RE USED TO IT. BY HE WAY GIVE YOURE PASSPORT BACK PEASANT HASSAN

braveheart

Georgie boy, my villager, leave dreamland and arrive in the here and now.

George

Shut up peasant and go and live with the rest of the filth on the mainland PEASANT!!

Slomi

Actually all /All indegenous population of this island is classified as peasants and farmers originally and not aristocrats.

Wysiwg

Make sure you don’t fall off the precipice while counting your stars.

Disenchanted

Sizopoulos was right, it was DYSIs unwillingness to vote against ELAM in the first place that got us here. Sitting on the fence between ultra nationalism and reconciliation with the Turkish Cypriots is simply unacceptable for a moderate centre right party that is in favour of a peaceful settlement.

Stanlio

I note that Huseyin Ozgurgun, so-called ‘prime minister’ of the occupation regime and leader of the largest Turk minority political party on the island, has said there are no Cypriots on Cyprus, only Greeks and Turks. Obviously, he is speaking for the Turk minority since the rest of us from the island feel very Cypriot (as well as very Greek). But it is interesting to note that the Turk minority feels itself to be an alien element on Cyprus, with no appreciation or devotion to the island’s history, culture or land. It’s very difficult to see how with this attitude the Turk minority expects Greek Cypriots to trust them as co-governors of the island, trust them to act in Cyprus’ best interests rather than the interests of a foreign power.

braveheart

Not knowing politics in the TRNC but big mouth! The prime minister’s party is not the largest in the TRNC, this is the socialist party. Turkish Cypriots are the overwhelming majority in their own state, no need for you to trust them. They get along fine without you. Keep your attention on the many problems of your highly indebted “Republic”.

Dynosavros

Article 5 []

The Greek and the Turkish Communities shall have the right to cerebra respectively the Greek and the Turkish national holidays.????????

Stanlio

Lillikas is right. We may get a resumption of talks, but the Turks are not ready for a deal palatable to the Cypriot side, so rescinding the Enosis plebiscite decision is a meaningless gesture. If it hadn’t been the Enosis plebiscite vote Akinci pretended to be so wounded by, it would have been something else, the celebration of Greek independence day or the outbreak of EOKA’s heroic fight for Cypriot self-determination.

Indeed, everyone accepts that the Turks walked away from the talks not because of the plebiscite vote but because they needed an excuse to avoid being seen as responsible for the dead end their demands had driven the talks into. There is no evidence that the Turks are ready to ameliorate these demands, in which case we can expect more hissy fits and more ridiculous propaganda stunts from the occupation regime.

Breakfast of Consequences

Up next. Gas, EEZ, Continental shelf.

Stanlio

Yes, it’s extremely likely, isn’t it, that when the talks stall again, the Turks will start saying that the Greek Cypriots are torpedoing the process by allowing gas exploration as if the whole island belonged to them, the Turk minority’s ‘interests’ are being ignored, blah, blah, blah.

Veritas

Passed by Parliament this morning and this small (25-30) group of racists were very noisy, shouting the usual nonsense that we heard so many times before.
This reminiscence from the past (EOKA and EOKA B) is a disgrace to our country and an insult to all of us who lost our properties and memories 15/07 1974.
But I also blame DISY MP’s, who in the first place didn’t vote against the original proposal and left everything to get out of hand. Poor judgment is a very diplomatic expression in this case.

Pc

EOKA and EOKA B should not be compared. The first was about fighting oppression
and freedom, the second about racial hatred. A marked difference.

Neroli

Both were led by Grivas both were terrorist organisations. You say fighting oppression – to go and join Greece?

Dynosavros

EOKA was a fight for freedom from the British and yes that time Greeks of Cyprus wanted Enosis -what is your problem with this?Today people change mind but these days this was a demand of the majority-Why some of you refer to this fact like it was a crime a majority to ask its own destiny and wish?

Neroli

To want Independance I agree but to then want Union with another country is a joke, but then…….

Dynosavros

This was related to their Ethnicity -but do not worry 2 Greek states looks much much better.

geecee

Right or wrong, that was the context back then. The Cypriots never had independence until then, the best concept they could identify with was unification with the country they related their cultural identification with. The situation was much different than Malta’s or any other colony’s for that matter. For reasons that are up for debate, the stakeholders of Cyprus decided (for better or for worse) the future of Cyprus without taking in consideration what Cypriots wanted

Neroli

I do understand that!

Disenchanted

Face the facts. EOKA was a terrorist organisation led by a paranoid fascist who didn’t fight for freedom from the Brits – which we would have had like Malta in due course in any case – but for union with Greece, although Greece itself never agreed! Anyone not supporting EOKA was deemed a traitor and murdered. If an EOKA fighter refused to carry out an execution order, they were murdered themselves. That was their oath, but I found it interesting that Afxentiou, the deputy leader of EOKA, refused to take the oath. Grivas accepted that because allegedly Afxentiou was an officer of the Greek army.

If people can’t come to terms with the simple facts of history, and allow themselves to be manipulated by the ultra nationalists, the island has no future.

Veritas

Both Eoka and Eoka B were the creation of the same person with the same dream, union with Greece.
Grivas founded Eoka B with the only goal to remove Makarios (who Grivas accused of being a traitor by signing the Zurich-London agreement) and then proceed to fulfill his original dream.

Dynosavros

You need some study.Makarios was the leader of EOKA if nobody told you -just learn. Either your age or your ideology does not allow you to understand some aspects.

Veritas

I wrote that the founder and leader of both Eoka and Eoka B was Gen. Georgios Grivas and if you believe that this isn’t the case, I would like to know what exceptional source you’re refering to?

Disenchanted

Nonsense. The Brits considered Makarios as the spiritual leader of EOKA but the reality was very different. Makarios was not involved in EOKA in any way. Even his conviction for enosis quickly faded when he realised that even the Greek government of the day didn’t support it.

Neroli

Well said!

Slomi

Well said.

Bob

You have anything supportive to say about GC tourkopoule

Veritas

If you read my comment carefully, you understand why I don’t like people like the ones you see on the picture and their views.
You should show respect to all of us who lost so much in 1974.

Kibristan

Ok now we have that particular reason for not continuing the negotiations the time has come to work out how they are dragged on and on and on…

Qovaq

Now that the Greek Cypriots have backed down on their “Enosis” celebration proposals as we TCs asked, we may restart the negotiations.

The 20th July celebrations of the Peace Operation will continue because it was a rescue operation of the TCs from the Junta invasion and the murderous EOKA thugs.

Neroli

eoka thugs indeed!

Muchacho

Nice of you to clear that up for us. Thank you for the lame justification for yet another military, nationalist parade that only serves to ferment division. It’s OK though because its a ‘TC’ military parade and we all know that anything the TCs do that parallels the South’s actions are entirely different and righteously justified.

I am a little disappointed that you haven’t mentioned the removal of Greek flags in this comment as that would roundly complete the hypocrisy of said comment.

Neroli

Your right about the Greek flags though! And eoka day celebrations

Muchacho

Yup. Those darn Greek speaking Cypriots can’t do anything right. If only they were as gracious and pure as the Turkish speaking Cypriots. We should live in the uncorrupted and liberal paradise of the north. You buy some property there first Neroli and I’ll be sure to follow. Let’s go to the part that can do no wrong, sounds awesome ?

Neroli

I didn’t imply they do no wrong! I have enough with a house in the South thanks. Just be proud to be Cypriot

Oh Come ON!

Haven’t the 20.07 celebrations had the military element removed from them over the last year or two, as per Mr Akinci’s orders? Or am I remembering this incorrectly?

Muchacho

So no military parade? Get back to me after this year’s please.

afrocyprus

Yeah yeah, now let me hear your views on the the Grey Wolves officially known as Ülkü Ocakları
you have the same on your side too.

Disenchanted

Face the facts, the Invasion of the island by Turkey wasn’t quite a peace operation. It wasn’t limited to the EOKA thugs, or to the junta supporters, sadly. It was indiscriminate murder, rape and forced displacement based on nationality. The right term for that is ‘ethnic cleansing’.

If both sides don’t come to terms with their history, there’s no future for this island.

braveheart

The future is already there: two separate states.

afrocyprus

One recognized and the other not. how nice that must feel for a Turkish Cypriot to hear from a Turk.

Qovaq

I think I’ve stirred up the super patriots into another tirade of verbal excrement! Thats all that seems to emanate from them their mouths lol

afrocyprus

Do not BS the people here to pretend you are TC, you disrespect them every time you open your mouth, you not worthy to even to pretend you are, the best place for you is to back to your full time job as a goat handler and stop pretending your TC, you don’t even come close to it mate

Qovaq

Go back to Athens and join the queues in the food banks.

afrocyprus

Are you a fool or did you buy a jokers hats, I aint from Greece you idiot I am a pure GC which is more than you are, some inbred idiot that I have to deal with on CM

Qovaq

Your mama is waiting for you near the Parthenon. I’m not sure where or who your father is. Go back home.

afrocyprus

Have a good look at the Parthenon and whiles your there look at how democracy involved and spread to all the democrats countries OH sorry it never reach Turkey

You will will never have the understanding , the more I read your rants the more I’m determined that your a young boy that has not grown up yet, probably never left your country and go and see the world, I don’t hate you Q I rather feel sad for you.

Qovaq

Awwww thank you Mr. Greek. Now stay in your country and I hope your begging bowl gets filled. Also, learn the difference between your/you’re. You’re very dumb.

afrocyprus

For every 1 Gc’s family that has his own house, car, kids that go to University in other countries maybe the ratio for where you live which I think is Turkey is 6 to 1,
So begging bowl I think you need Mr Q,

Qovaq

You’re just a beggar. Don’t be too ashamed.

Slomi

O’I have seen many average young people who went abroad on parents money and most of parents got bank loans on home for these educations .the “kids”came back, doing nothing mostly as their subjects were non pragmatic . You call it a progress?

geecee

oh yes, Turkey showered all cypriots with love and peace

Qovaq

And peese on you too.

afrocyprus

The Q I knew was in James Bond, and he aways met his maker.

MountainMan

This is the problem in the western world at the moment, the far right appear to be gaining strength day by day. It will be interesting to see what will happen to Turkey and Northern Cyprus after the 16th April.

Vaso

How about the TC’s take down their disgusting Turkish flag from the Pendadaktylo mountain! But i suppose the craaaazzzzeeee Erdogan won’t allow it! The TC’s problem with our celebration of Enosis is just laughable!

Yen66

The sooner you get over erdogan the quicker this island can get back together the more you mention him the more prominent you make him
peace is in our hands if you can share this beautiful island and get over the passed My Countryman Vaso

Vaso

Unfortunately that is not possible because Acinci is Erdogan’s lapdog and he has no authority of his own unlike our President! I think it is time the TC’s accepted this fact! Take down the Turkish flag to prove I am wrong!

Yen66

Akinci is no lapdog he is one of only a handful of politicians to stand up to him that is why he was voted in the flag on the mountains is in your hands if you can share the island with us and can treat us as equals then that flag will come down but for as long as you think that this island is yours the longer they stay and the longer it stays there to remind you that they are still here

Vaso

Stand up to him! You are funny! We saw what happened to the thousands who stood up to Erdogan after the recent “coup”! As far as the flag is concerned your comments are noted and it shows your thinking is to dominate rather than to negotiate! I’m glad you made them! The flag is pivotal in proving that all instructions come from Ankara!

Yen66

you are confused My countryman Vaso what you mention happend in turkey tell me what has happend here in Cyprus you give the mainland to much importance
as for dominance rather than negotiate how else can i put it if we get an-agreement and our island is reunified then all the trophy’s of the past will disappear
We should not live in the past but look to the future together as one

Vaso

I am not confused! I know it happened in Turkey! How could it happen in The Republic of Cyprus! Anyway it is my view that Akinci cannot act autonomously from Erdogan! As far as giving the mainland importance … well they did invade Cyprus in 1974! Turkey has, is and always will be part of this problem!

Vaso

Just of the hot press – “Turkey issues threats following hydrocarbon contract signings” So Yen66 you were saying ……

Yen66

Vaso they will continue saber rattling till this mess is cleaned up as you will not recognize the north till the last seconds of achieving an agreement nor will they stop there saber rattling

Yen66

At least we can agree on something Vaso
i know you no what happened in turkey but i only talk about Cyprus it has not happened in the north of the island. Yes turkey came in 74 acting as a grantor
were the Russians and the USA let them in but its time to take back our country and we can only do that Together if we do not act together nothing will change

Neroli

Yes you’re right it was Russia who encorouged the Turks to invade

Neroli

And Greece?

Neroli

You know why the flag is on the mountain? Who put it there?

petetsak

Yes, he did try to stand up to him as soon as he was elected but Erdogan slapped him down immediately !! Perhaps you forgot that ?

Yen66

proof please

petetsak

An extract from an article in the ‘Financial Times’ shortly after the election !

Mr Akinci’s new openness also brings a big new concern: his awkward relationship with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish president. They view Mr Akinci’s election as a sign secular Turkish Cypriots are growing uncomfortable with the increasingly religious and tough-fisted leadership in Ankara, and Mr Akinci is not shy in expressing his desire for a break.

“People said we want more brotherly relations with Turkey rather than mother and baby,” he said. “[We need] the kind of proper relationship that would enable the Turkish Cypriots to stand on their own feet, to be masters of their own institutions.”

That defiance earned Mr Akinci an early rebuke from Mr Erdogan. “His ears should be listening to what his mouth says,” the Turkish president said shortly after the election. Even more worrying for some in the south, Mr Akinci was summoned to Ankara for an audience with Mr Erdogan last month shortly after peace talks restarted.

Yen66

So your proof is a newspaper article from 3 years ago
like we all believe what the papers say
come on my friend you got to have more than that !!!

petetsak

OMG ! You just don’t want to believe it do you.
If you can be bothered to ‘Google’ it you will find that it was published in all the newspapers at the time, including the Turkish press ( of course that was before Erdogan started closing down newspapers and jailing reporters ! )
I personally think Mr Akinci is a good man with good intentions but he is up against with you know who !

Yen66

Re i know it was in the papers but its the content i do not believe!!!

Yen66

As is said to My Countryman Vaso
Forget erdogan we can fix this together United we are One

petetsak

It would be so wonderful to forget Erdogan and I can’t wait for him to become ‘History’ but I am not optimistic.
For sure if the UK and Turkey would just go away it could be solved !

Yen66

Now you are talking my language

petetsak

Glad we are in agreement !

Yen66

You see it is possible

Victor Cominos

With 43,000 armed personnel and 200,000 illegal Anatolian Settlers to deal with Mr Akinci has not hope no matter how good his intentions. Erdogon has got him snookered.

braveheart

No “armed personnel” is part of the decision making on Cyprus. Neither are any immigrants without TRNC citizenship. Stop distributing nonsense.

Victor Cominos

The fact of life is quite simple 43,000 armed personnel and 200,000 illegal Anatolian Settlers are in a position to pressure the Turkish Cypriots into complying with the policies of Erdogon and his cronies.

braveheart

Your fantasy is enormous. If this is the way politics is made in the South I feel sorry for you.

Victor Cominos

My fantasy is far from enormous, thanks for the compliment. For obvious reasons the ROC and its government is recognised by the international community and thus it participates on the world scene like it should.

One the other hand the suburb of Ankara that likes to dream and call itself the TRNC is going nowhere.

There isn’t a soul in the international community that wants to know whether the inhabitants of the North are alive or dead, The reality of the matter is they don’t exist. They only exist in their own minds.

braveheart

As usual, full of yourself. Your “international community” for the most part could not find Cyprus on the map. Ercan airport is busier than Paphos and the TRNC does not have to repay billions to the EU. Half a million tourists per year are not bad for a “non existing” state, not to mention thousands of your kin crossing the border regularly for casinos, “night clubs” and a good meal. If you are one of them, don’t forget your ID card at the TRNC border post next time you want to enjoy yourself.

Yen66

You talk about The ROC the one we together in front of the world declared an independent country the one you through your partners out of after only 3 years the one you stole the one you persecuted the minorty the one that that you wanted to Anex to the mother land.
We exist do you no why because you just said so that’s write you make us exist and we shall allways exist
Wake up Victor we. Are all hear existing the difference is that after all this time we still want to exist together wear as all you want to is put your partners down read the constitution of 1960 the one that the world recognized the made you an independent country

Philippos

HaHaHa! I just loved the bit about our President having any authority. Should that be true, isn’t it about time for him to show it? He has, so far, seemed to cave in at every “difficulty”, especially with Unions and Special Interest Groups. So where is this “Authority” that you speak of please?

Pc

Our president makes his decisions, especially the stupid ones, entirely on his own.

Neroli

What President?? He’s an embarrassment to the island

Wysiwg

Vaso the flags were there long before Erdogan appeared on the scene. Erdogan also advocated a “yes” to Annan plan.Had the GCs then voted yes, the two communities would have travelled a long way since then in reconciling their differences. Lot of water passed under the bridge and there may be other factors in play now. So if you want to attach blame, try putting your hand on your heart first and listen to what you hear.

Pc

Had the proposal been fair and balanced, we would have voted yes. Alas, your leadership chose to walk away from the negotiations in 2003, and the subsequent concoction made up by the SG was too vague in many areas and gave the GCs pretty much nothing of immediate benefit.

Wysiwg

Pc, what immediate benefits did you gain by voting “no”?

Pc

The benefit was that i didn’t give up property without any guaranteed financial compensation.

Victor Cominos

Erdogon supported a Yes vote subject to his conditions. Thank goodness the inhabitants of the south had enough brains to vote it down. No agreement is better than a bad agreement.

Wysiwg

The plan was drafted by the UN secretary general Kofi Annan, it was not subject to any of Erdogan’s conditions. Let there be No Agreement then, the north is not too troubled with that either.

Slomi

Correct, Even the name of plan is ‘Annan Plan’.

Tas

I wonder if our TC brothers and sisters would reverse their decision of celebrating on July 20th since the GC also find it distasteful that they should celebrate a day that killed so many Cypriots on both sides.

Hasan Cypriot

You will overturn this decision today WITHOUT the Turkish Cypriots “reversing” any decision in the North, dear Tas.
Hurry up before the table falls apart.

Tas

Do you not agree it is a little double standards that you can continue to celebrate a day that the GC find disrespectful and distasteful but you throw your arms up in the arm shouting when the GC did what they did.
I think you are personally wrong and both sides should stop celebrating the days and the TC should also show goodwill and do the same

Didier Ouzaid

I agree with you on principle, but principles have long been flushed. The problems here was 1- the timing of the vote, 2- the party it originated from and to a lesser extent 3- Disy’s freeze on the vote, despite the so-called momentum of the talks back then.

It wont change anything to the much larger hurdles these negotiations are (and will keep) facing, though

Hasan Cypriot

Dear Tas, this is the whole issue: Turkish Cypriots see the “mother” of the Cyprus problem as being the strive of the Greek Cypriots for ENOSIS.
Everything else that happened including the Turkish intervention was a “consequence” of that, as you know on July 15, 1974, a Greek coup was staged with the aim of ENOSIS.
ENOSIS brought a lot of blood, death and catastrophe to Cyprus. The 1974 Turkish peace intervention brought peace — there hasnt been any fighting since.
And you guys even got into the EU even though we said yes to the Annan Plan. Now how shameful is that?
Commemoration of ENOSIS is like commemoration of the catastrophe that was brought to Cyprus between 1963 to 1974.
You cant compare the “root” of the Cyprus problem with the “consequence” of what happened because of that root. Understando?
Oh Come On why dont you try responding with a logical argument rather than try to hide everything under the carpet with a useless question?

Iron mike

The so called peace intervention of the Turkish military killed 6000 GC and 1600 are still meeting Is this what you call peace?

Yen66

No it was War My Friend and very horrible things happen we can continue the blame game but you have to admit that things started 11 years before the intervention

Muchacho

Started before that.

Victor Cominos

Yep it was war just like the Armenian Genocide of 1915. Often the 1.5 million Armenians who were murdered by the Turks get a mention but the other 1 million Greeks and 500,000 Assyrians are forgotten. All in all 3 million were killed by the murderous Turks.
Sadly, Turkey has done nothing over the last 100 years to atone for her sins and assist the descendants of the 3 million to forgive the Turks.

Yen66

Victor come on man 1915 are you for real 100 years ago the red Indians were still being killed by the yanks the Armenian genocide has got nothing to do with Cypriots you will blame the TC’s for perl harbour next

Muchacho

What a load of rubbish. Usual, ‘You started it’ tripe to justify other wrongs.

Oh Come ON!

There was nothing in your comment that required any argument – logical or other. I was merely referring to the antagonistic tone of what you said. Barking commands, orders or demands at people seldom inspire positive responses or reactions.

Oh Come ON!

Is this type of antagonistic response really necessary, Hasan bey?

Vova Khavkin

Somehow, GC’s keep losing sight of July 15.

Yen66

Dear Tas,
I think all these style celebrations should be stopped but the above mentioned is something that wants to be added!!!
All these celebrations should have been in the agreement signed back in February by both sides as part of confidence building measures before we sat down and tried to sort out this mess that has been left for all Cypriots to try and fix

Iron mike

Dream on! It would never happen The celebrations will be even louder this year

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