jimw:To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia. The action scenes were simply makeovers from other movies, not all necessarily Bond movies. There were also a lot of slips and loose ends. Unless they get a new Bond, and some new creative writers, it is time for Bond to end before it turns into an absolute disaster. I would rate Skyfall at a D. Yesterday I saw three movies: Skyfall; Cloud Atlas; Flight. Flight was the best of all of these.

So you liked that movie where Denzel Washington played Denzel Washington. Got it. Say no more.

jimw:It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia. The action scenes were simply makeovers from other movies, not all necessarily Bond movies. There were also a lot of slips and loose ends. Unless they get a new Bond, and some new creative writers, it is time for Bond to end before it turns into an absolute disaster.

It was a celebration of 50 years of Bond. I thought it achieved that very well. Whats the other main character? Q? What loose ends? Absolute disasters in this franchise happen every so often. I don't get you is what I'm getting at.

Haven't seen flight yet. It might be better so I'm not going to argue that.

jimw:To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia.

Maybe I'm missing something, but who was the 2nd?

This didn't suck. It did take a weird turn with the Bond homestead there at the end, and it seemed they owed Albert Finney a favor by just shoe-horning him in there. But I thought it was a good overall story. It was how about the old-fashioned way of doing things has its advantages over the sleek, newer (and younger) methods to espionage.

And I've not seen all of them, but is this the first one where the villain more or less succeeded in his goals? We saw that he wanted M to shoot them both through the head with the same bullet, so he had no desire to save his own life, unless it was just a taunt. I say he more or less succeeded because M succumbed to her wound.

mjohnson71:Snatch Bandergrip: Music was overwhelming, took away from the action scenes.

That's one statement I just don't get.

If you think the music is overwhelming in Skyfall, just check out all the ones scored by John Barry.

Not denying that; just that I wanted to hear the roar of engines, the crack of gunfire, the smashing of fists. I didn't hear any of it under the thunderous score of the usually reliable Thomas Newman, even though it sounded exactly like David Arnold.

I really liked Skyfall, but I'd say it's still struggling to fight off the Bourne influence. Bond is glamour, wacky stunts, old-school charm, romance. Bourne is a set of pragmatic techno-thrillers, heavy on visceral action, unconcerned with the flavor of its exotic locales, action flicks for the post-9/11 crowd. I love both, but I want them to be different. Separate but equal, if you will.

It made absolutely zero sense for this car to be in the movie. There's only one James Bond; Sean Connery's Bond doesn't exist in the Daniel Craig Bond universe. Are we to believe that this Aston Martin was just some MI6 relic? Bond won a DB5 in Casino Royale. It should have been this car in the movie (sans ejector seat and machine guns) that Bond had simply been keeping in storage.

I've always liked the idea that James Bond is just a codename for a series of top agents who have filled the role over the years. Connery was one, Moore was one and Craig is the latest. I think the fact that they had one of the old Bond's cars is a pretty strong hint that this is how the current filmmakers view the Bond role. Now this could be different from other filmmakers interpretations, or Flemming's idea, but whoever takes the reigns is allowed to make it their own interpretation.

It made absolutely zero sense for this car to be in the movie. There's only one James Bond; Sean Connery's Bond doesn't exist in the Daniel Craig Bond universe. Are we to believe that this Aston Martin was just some MI6 relic? Bond won a DB5 in Casino Royale. It should have been this car in the movie (sans ejector seat and machine guns) that Bond had simply been keeping in storage.

I've always liked the idea that James Bond is just a codename for a series of top agents who have filled the role over the years. Connery was one, Moore was one and Craig is the latest. I think the fact that they had one of the old Bond's cars is a pretty strong hint that this is how the current filmmakers view the Bond role. Now this could be different from other filmmakers interpretations, or Flemming's idea, but whoever takes the reigns is allowed to make it their own interpretation.

Personally that version makes the most sense to me.

I've heard that theory as well, but that doesn't make sense either given the context of the film. We see Bond's parents' gravestones with their family name on them.

Neums:jimw: To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia.

Maybe I'm missing something, but who was the 2nd?

This didn't suck. It did take a weird turn with the Bond homestead there at the end, and it seemed they owed Albert Finney a favor by just shoe-horning him in there. But I thought it was a good overall story. It was how about the old-fashioned way of doing things has its advantages over the sleek, newer (and younger) methods to espionage.

And I've not seen all of them, but is this the first one where the villain more or less succeeded in his goals? We saw that he wanted M to shoot them both through the head with the same bullet, so he had no desire to save his own life, unless it was just a taunt. I say he more or less succeeded because M succumbed to her wound.

At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

thecpt:At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

Magorn:DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

I have, and I second his opinion. Connery as Bond was the perfect mix of sauve, self-assurance that comes from Pre-WWII upper class British breeding, and down and dirty man of violence who was willing to do whtever it takes to get a job done. Moore was too effette, and Dalton and Brosnan played it too much as "generic Schwazenegger-esque action hero". FWIW Craig is the first bond since Connery I think has it right, but Connery was raised in the same cultural milleu as Ian Flemming, and "got" some of the subtlties of the character instinctively that Craig has to consciously ape.

Craig's Bond is the first openly-working-class version of the character (Vesper lampshades this when they meet) so he doesn't have to ape anything. After his parents died he left home to stick it out rather than sit and rot on their money.

Neums:thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

thecpt:Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.

The All-Powerful Atheismo:thecpt: Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.

Mommy was very bad. He was actually saying mom and was speaking with a Spanish accent. It was quite apparent

Here's the real question - what was M's name? The groundsman called her 'Emma' as he misheard Bond stating her name was M, and through some of Silva's garbled speech 'Mama' sounded like 'Marla'. Weird.

Haven't seen Skyfall yet. I'm weird in that my favorite Bond movie (even though I know it's terrible) is A View To A Kill, simply because it was the first one I saw. It also has the best song and WALKEN.

ConneryBrosnanMooreCraigDaltonLazenby

is my Bond rating. Though I haven't seen a Dalton movie in forever. Craig is too hard edged to be Bond for me, plus Quantum of Solace wasn't very good. Best movie for each Bond in my opinion:

From Russia With LoveOn Her Majesty's Secret ServiceThe Spy Who Loved MeThe Living DaylightsGoldeneyeCasino Royale

Lois Maxwell is the best Moneypenny, Dame Judi the best M. Desmond Llewellyn is the ONLY 'Q'

I don't like trying to order *all* of the movies, mostly because the actors all differently. The only things I will say are:

1. Connery, being the originator, ALWAYS gets a pass.2. Lazenby has some issues, but he wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. (Example: the non-reaction to getting found out by Blofeld just seems like something he wouldn't normally do.)3. Moore, for all intents and purposes, had some really good and really horrid parts to most of his movies. The space scene of Moonraker trumps all for stupidity and pandering to what's popular at the time, though, and the AFB circus scene where James Bond dresses up as a clown will always be the absolute nadir. The flip side to that is that he went up against Lee and Walken, two of the greatest Bond villains ever, and his movies are still mostly based off of original Fleming material.4. Dalton... again with the bipolar. The Living Daylights wasn't bad until he (a) joins the Mujahideen, and (b) kills Joe Don Baker in his war room. And License to Kill was too much of a James Bond does Miami Vice movie (plus, FFS, Wayne Newton?!).5. Brosnan was good, probably my second favorite, but on most days I'll say that his movies went downhill until the crash landing into complete implausibility that was Die Another Day. (The "most days" part is that I go back & forth between the two middle movies, mostly dependent on how much I can stomach Paris Carver at any given time.)6. Craig was incredible in Casino Royale, but as stated a million places in a million ways, Quantum sucked extreme donkey balls. I've yet to see Skyfall so I can't comment on that, but if it's as good as advertised, then he's into a tie with Pierce for my favorite Bond not named Sean Connery.

fatalvenom://World is only tolerable because I have an extreme hard-on for Sophie Marceau

What was so bad about that film? Okay, Denise Richards as a nuclear weapons specialist. That wasn't the first movie to have a hot girl in unlikely fields of expertise. And I maintain it had the best song. They should have put Shirley Manson in the opening number.

docmattic:Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

Your basically right. That said, I like to think I've overcome that (I originally liked Moore the best - yes, Moore - that's who I grew up with), and I find that all the actors who played Bond add their own unique touches and value. Looking back more objectively, I like them all for different reasons and don't really have a "favorite" any more. Each one brings a different style to the character, and the variety makes the long string of movies more interesting.

karmachameleon:docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

You're basically right. That said, I like to think I've overcome that (I originally liked Moore the best - yes, Moore - that's who I grew up with), and I find that all the actors who played Bond add their own unique touches and value. Looking back more objectively, I like them all for different reasons and don't really have a "favorite" any more. Each one brings a different style to the character, and the variety makes the long string of movies more interesting.

Combination no sleep and the giant picture of Dalton. Didn't realize you were just responding to the best to worst bond comment. Many apologies. I will now go watch Dalton's Oscar winning performance in Flash Gordon as penance for my actions.

The All-Powerful Atheismo:thecpt: Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.