that's what it looks like. I mean look at Jack and Kate compared to Sawyer and Juliet. Anyhoo, I'm not appreciating the fact that not only has team Saymond been separated on the show, they're also separated on the poster and relegated to the back. This is an outrage!

desmond may not be very willing to go back...afterall, he did spend what was it?...three or five years in the hatch pushing a button?...the island is the last place he wants to go back to.
i was watching private ryan the other day, and noticed that the actor playing Faraday also played the baby faced soldier in Tom Hank's character's squad.
i can't wait for the show to come back...it's appointment viewing.

only joking, no intent to offend. The strange Sayid video is just a promo for a UK tv station called SKY which shows Lost on Sky 1, 2 & 3 so no crazy spoilers or son of smokey I'm afraid. They do look cool though.

Glad to see he's still on the show, but wonder how they'll work that in there. He is back with Penny, but Ben has vowed to kill her. If Ben is successful, how can Desmond go with him? Desmond-centric episodes are always the best.

... but do they need (or even want) to expand the audience this season? I'm to understand that they show has, overall, performed well enough to justify this season and next. Even if ratings somehow dive-bombed, they'd finish out the sage via cable. Still; I wonder if they're shooting for awards (not just nominations) and a larger audience share this season. If so, I suspect that we're going to see some more advanced marketing before we get to the end of January.

But why does Desmond have to be all the way in the back...best character on they never give the character the respect he deserves.
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Seriously, when you think about the Desmond character...you could make an entire show just on that one, single character...
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I cannot wait for LOST to return.

Im guessing that Frank, & Jin are not on the poster to leave things up in the air. Its still a question as to weither or not Jin is alive or dead and we still don't know if when Ben said that they all needed to return to the island if that ment just the OC 6 or Desmond & Frank also. Claire was know from Darlton that she will not return until season 6.

My vote? Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Ji Yeon, Aaron, Sun, Walt, Frank, Locke's corpse and Desmond (with Penny by his side, as he has vowed to never leave her again. She will choose to go, and he will have to follow). I do not think the Island wants Ben back, obviously, nor do they want Paik and Widmore back if indeed they have been on the Island before, unless it's to mete out justice (a la Cooper in S3).

And nothing more. Too bad-- though, hey, maybe it's repurposed S5 footage, from El Smokey's lair on the Island. But then again, shouldn't Locke be the one who's embraced by it? Something tells me it's close to how he saw it as a "bright white glowing light", or whatever he said.

watch it religiously, and season 4 was stellar. <br><br>im afraid season 5 is going to be a lot of exposition to ultimately just conclude with them getting back to the island, where the real action will play, out though season 6.

Take me back to your island where adventures happen all the time! Please! My life so boring!<p>I have to go back! Even though I've not been there in the first place so technically I can't go "back" but still... I HAVE TO GO BACK!

show from roughly when the rubbish black guy actor killed Michelle Rodriguez for drink driving?
That was the point I stopped watching, his story arc was so fucking lame & he's a really shit actor.
I heard the Hobbit dies sometime?

I wonder why his episodes always seem to be ahead of the others in terms of quality? I'd like to see the actor do movies afterwards. Now that Sean C has retired, we need another likeable Scot in Hollywood.

Ana Lucia wants to kill Henry Gale (aka Ben Linus) but ends up not doing it because she just can't. She repents to Michael, who has just returned back to the camp after trying to rescue Walt, and Michael tells her that he can kill Henry. AL gives him the gun, Mike kills her and subsequently kills Libby. We find out Mike, in a series of flashbacks, was kidnapped by the Others and made a deal with Ms. Klugh (or Bea) that if he frees Ben and brings back Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley, he would get his son back. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke go on a spirtual journey under the guise of trying to find Ben. They find the Pearl station which Marvin Candle/Mark Haliwax/Pierre Chang explains that hte Swan (the original hatch) is nothing but a test, a skinner box. Locke loses faith. Eko continues to press the button. Mike convinces Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and lastly, Hurley to go get Walt back. Sayid wanted to go to, but Mike told him not to. Sayid, being a fucking badass, suspects something, tells Jack, and counters Mike with a plan of his own. As the camp buries AL and Libby, Sun looks to the ocean and says, "boat". We see a sailboat wobbling aimlessly in the ocean's horizon. Jack, Sawyer and Sayid swim out to it only to find a drunken Desmond. Desmond explains to Jack that theyre in a "bloody snowglobe" with "no escape". Sayid explains to Jack the plan, which is basically Sayid taking the sailboat, with Sun and Jin, and infiltrating the Ohters' camp (which turns out to be a decoy). When he finds the camp, he will burn black smoke ("this time they will know we are coming"). Mike, Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley leave. Locke approaches Desmond and proposes that they should find out what happens when they stop pressing the button. Mike is eventually found out when Kate spots two others following them, in which Sawyer eventually kills one. Jack apologizes to the rest for not informing them that he knew about Mike, tells them about Sayid's plan. Locke and Desmond are able to lock out Eko from the hatch. Eko is pissed. Eko finds Charlie to find the dynamite. Sayid finds the Others' camp, which is a decoy, sets out the black smoke. Jack sees the blacksmoke, realizes that they are miles away from where Mike told them it originally was. The Others attack Jack and Co. Desmond's story is told in a series of flashbacks while talking to Locke about faith and what not. Desmond loves Penny. Desmond loses Penny. Desmond enters a sailboat race around the world to earn Penny's dad's respect. Desmond gets lost. Desmond is n the island. Desmond is rescued by Kelvin Inman. They press the button together for years. Inman tells Desmond about the failsafe swithc. Desmond and Inman have a confrontation because Inman is going to leave the button. Desmond accidentally kills Inman. Desmond runs back to the button just in time before the hatch explodes. Desmond realizes the button is real. Desmond tells Locke that when he was about to lose faith and off himself, Locke saved him by pounding on the hatch after Boone died. Desmond decides to turn the failsafe. Back to Jack and Co. The Others have the group. Henry Gale (Ben) shows up. Gives Walt back to Mike. Walt and Mike leave. The Others take Jack, Sawyer and Kate and send Hurley back to the camp as a messenger that they could never try to rescue them. The hatch explodes. Locke, Eko and Desmond's lives are in question. Charlie goes back to the camp and makes out with Claire. Oh, and the sky turned purple when the failsafe went off. The last scene involves two Brazilian (I think) scientists in the middle of the Arctic getting a buzz from a computer. They freak out. Pick up the phone and call Desmond's girlfriend (Penny) and tells her that they "think they've found it". End of Season 2. Season 3 begins with Jack, Kate and Sawyer in the possesion of the Others. Juliet is introduced to interrogate Jack. We find out Henry's name is Ben. Kate and Sawyer shack up together. Sun cheated on Jin pre-island life. Locke wakes back up with no voice. Eko is kidnapped by a polar bear. Locke rescues Eko and gains his faith back with the island. We find out Sawyer has a daughter named Clementine back on the mainland. Ben shows Saywer that they are being held prisner on another island and can never escape. Desmond has flashes (which we find out in season four that he is basically jumping like Billy Pilgrim through different times in his consciousness). The flashes are due to him pulling the failsafe switch. Desmond sees visions of Charlie dying. Desmond tells Charlie. Charlie is sad. Kate was married pre-island life. Ran away from him as well. We find out the reaosn Ben kidnapped Jack,S awyer and Kate was because he needed Jack t perform spinal surgery on him. Ben used kate and Sawyer as bait and a manipulation factor. Jack agrees. Sawyer is about to die at the hands of an other (Mr. Pickett) until Jack, in the middle of Ben's surgery, cuts an artery and uses Ben as a hostage. As Sawyer is held by gunpoint in front of Kate (they boned by the way), Jack walkie talkies Kate, explains that Kate and Sawyer should escape. If they dont successfully escape, Ben dies. Kate and Sawyer run. Juliet's story is told. She's a fertility doctor, she was brought to the island to solve why women can't give birth. She eventually kills another other to let Sawyer and Kate get off the island. We find out that Juliet is basically a prisoner much like Jack. We find out Jack got tattoos for some stupid reason. Becomes Ben's personal recovery doctor. Gets closer with Juliet. Sayid goes on a badass mission with Kate and Locke to get Jack back. They find the flame staiton (the commuications station) where Mikhail (Patchy) lives. Mikhail poses as a Dharma member, but really is an other. Eventually Mikhail kills Ms. Klugh (an order from Klugh; she'd rather die than give up Ben). Mikhail is taken prisoner. Sayid finds maps and other info to lead them to Ben. Locke enters 77 on the computer. Blows up the communications station "by accident". Hurley finds a VW bus. Him and other dudes have a food time. Cheech is Hurley's dad; he smokes him out. Claire's mom is in a coma due to a car accident. Claire sends out a note on a bird's leg. Claire's dad is Jack's dad. (wtf?) Sayid and co. infiltrate the other's camp (Otherville). Jack is seen playing a game of football with the others. Kate is like (wtf man?) Kate and Sayid are caught. Locke sneaks into Bens room. Locke blows up the submarine. Locke doesn't want to leave the island. Locke's backstory to his paralyzation is revealed. His dad pushed him out of an 8 story window. Ben shows Locke what came out of his "magic box". Locke's dad is tied up and gagged before his very eyes. Paolo and Nicky are killed (ugh.). Kate and Juliet are left behind in the middle of a jungle. Juliet is seemingly banned by the others. They go back to get Sayid and Jack at the now abandoned Others' camp. Locke has left with the others as well. Juliet is revealed to be a mole for the Others. Juliet is accepted by the camp after saving Claire's life (which was really a set up by Ben to convince the campt o accept Juliet). Desmond gets visions of a helicopter crashing. He thinks its Penny. Almost sacrifices Charlie, but doesnt. Finds a pilots body hanging from a tree. Cuts it down to not find Penny but a woman named Naomi. Desmond was also a monk. Juliet helps Sun find out if her baby is Jin's or not (Sun is preganant. Remember?) We find out it's Jin's baby. Sun is going to die (babies can't be born) but she doesn't care because she want's Jin to be a baby daddy. Juliet begins to have doubts of her allegience to the others. Locke convinces Sawyer to kill his father because Locke can't do it. Locke can't move on with the others until he kills his father. We find out Locke's father is the real Sawyer. Sawyer chokes the Real Sawyer out Jabba the Hutt style. Sawyer throws up. Locke brings the body back to Ben. Ben is surprised. Ben's backstory is revealed. His father was a janitor for Dharma. Ben meets an ageless Richard Alpert. Ben eventually betrays his Dharma bros and kills them all (the purge). Ben takes Locke to see Jacob. There is no one in the chair. Locke thinks ehs crazy. Locke turns on his flashlight (Jacob doesn't like that shit!). Jacob goes crazy. We see a glimpse of a man. Ben takes Locke to the mass grave of the Dharma Initiative. Ben betrays Locke. Shoots him where his kidney used to be. Leaves him tehre to die. Charlie is told that he must die by Desmond. Charlie has to turn off a switch at a Dharma station so that Naomi (the pilot chick) canc all her people on freighter to come rescue them. Charlie has to drown to save everyone. Naomi also said that the outside world has found their plane at the bottom of the ocean. Hurley aptly responds, "What?". Charlie swims down to turn off the switch, only to find that he is in a moonpool. Two hot Dharma girls come out and point a gun at him. Juliet confesses to Jack that she's a mole. THey decide to turn the tables and plant dynamite in their tents so they can blow up the Others when they come to get them. They do that. But leave three alive to capture jIN, Bernard and Sayid. Desmond saves Charlie in the moonpool and Charlie gets the code to turn off the switch. He does that. Charlie dies after making contact with Penny. He drowns. Jack beats up Ben. Hurley rescues Sayid, Jin and Bernard. Rousseau is reunited with Alex. Locke, about to killhimself in the mass grave, is visited by a taller Walt ("Get up John. You have work to do"). Naomi calls her boat. Locke kills Naomi. Locke and Jack have a confrontation. Locke can't kill Jack. Jack calls the freighter. They are about to get rescued. We find out that Jack's flashback throughout the episode was actually a flashforward. Jack meets Kate at LAX asking her why she didnt show up to a mutual friend's funeral (at this point, we don't know who it is). Jack explains that he misses the island and that "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" Kate thinks hes crazy. He looks fucking crazy. Season 3 end. Now i'm really tired and my high is wearing off. So i'll do season 4 tomorrow if I have time. Goodnight.

could that guy-who-I'm-too-lazy-to-look-up-his-real-name who played Mr. Echo NOT enjoy living on the island of Hawaii? I read an interview recently that one of the creators stated that was the real reason why they had to write his character off so quickly. Was that little traffic stop THAT humiliating for him?

The big line down the middle: it's so obvious they didn't know what they were doing til they got there.<br><br>I thought they wanted Jack to perform Ben's surgery. The other three were meant to be leverage. Kate and Sawyer were the reason that Jack agreed. I gathered that this was the whole point of Jack flipping it over by using Ben as leverage to get them free.

Mr. Eko asked to leave LOST because both of his parents died while shooting season (2?) and he wanted to take some time off from acting and maybe write something about his life. I do miss Eko, but yeah. That quote you read from an interview was a joke.<br><br>Eko was in like 2 seconds of the dark knight, tho...

Damn. Nicely done. just a few things you neglected to mention:<p>
Desmond's being late to push the button turns out to be the reason for Flight 815 going down.<p>
Smokey chases after Juliet and Kate in the jungle and it's revealed that smokey can "scan" people which was illustrated by it flashing lights on Juliet and leaving them alone.<p>
While in captivity Kate and Sawyer were forced to break up and haul rocks for something "big" the Others were building. This is later revealed by Juliet to be a runway that Juliet jokes is for the "aliens."<p>
Eko is killed by Smokey by being battered against the trees and ground after refusing to repent for his sins when it takes the form of his deceased brother Yemi.

It gives us an idea of who will play larger ans smaller roles by their prominence on the poster. It shows us who is not on there. Namely Jin, Claire, Penny, Kenny Rogers, etc. It establishes the mood of the season. It confirms that one set of Losties is indeed going to be off the island for the majority of the season. And it's fun so fuck off.

You see, you need a sufficiently long road when you are attempting to get your car up to EIGHTY EIGHT MILES PER HOURRRRRR (and 8 is one of the numbers... 8 plus 8 is 16... also one of the numbers). Season 6 will take place in the future however, where there is no need for roads. And season 7 is of course, the zombie season.

season 4 was just another awesome season. I've never been disappointed with any season of the show. 1, 2, 3, 4... all great. Only part of Lost that I generally thought was weak was the first 6 episodes of season 3... and when viewed on dvd instead of a week apart, even those aren't bad. And of course, Jack's tattoo episode with Bai Ling. They'll never live that one down!

Island constantly and randomly shifting through time, allowing you to witness different time periods. Oh shit, those skeletons are alive!!!! *insert crappy effects from Sinbad movies* They're gonna get you! Fuck, they're everywhere!

Wait, what? Kristen Bell's a fantastic actress. I don't think she'd be terribly good on Lost, but that's mostly because she's full of energy and Lost is a more sedate and subdued show for the actors. They have to make it really internal rather than showing a lot of life on screen/.

AKA The Tattoo Episode is without a doubt the weakest episdoe of Lost ever. But even that is better than Heroes or any other network show. But IMO the episode can be saved if they don't ignore it like they have. Tell us what the tatoos mean. I still have no clue what Jack meant by "That's what they say but that's not what they mean." in regards to the translation of "He walks among us but is not one of us." Why did Achara's posse beat the piss out of Jack? Obviously she saw in him something they didn't like. Explain why and how Cindy is seemingly brainwashed and what she was there to watch. Juliet's trial? Explain what Juliet's mark means since the same mark was carved on a tree where medical supplies were stashed in a later episode. And what the fuck happened to the sheriff Isabel? Darlton joked that she died in the beach raid but that's bullshit obviously.

Lindelof and Cuse' podcast is fugging hilarious! As you can imagine, not actual information is ever given, but they're so witty in how they avoid giving answers to any questions that it's a joy to listen to. And I can't wait to hear of the further adventures of 'Ezra J. Sharkington'.

It's a personal favorite of mine. My least favorite, though, is "Dave", which everyone I know seems to have a huge boner for. So what do I know? Also, Sick Fixx, what are you doing on AICN if you're not a fanboy yourself? Hypocrisy is not a charming trait, you know.

Aye, I hate that 'fuck off' attitude. Then again, Lost fans always type 'FUCK YOU HEROES' whenever that gets a TB... which is just pathetic. Intelligent discussion about the positives and negatives is cool, but being an asshole doesn't make you right.

...it is predictable in Every. Single. Possible. Way. Contrived and boring -- just the way Lost, or any other TV show, shouldn't be. If they wanted to do a "hallucination episode" well, they could have taken a look at DS9's "Far Beyond the Stars" or Farscape's "Won't Get Fooled Again". If they didn't want it to be as blatant as those episodes, there's always something akin to MillenniuM's "The Curse of Frank Black", where ambiguity of reality is king. Lost is still fantastic TV, but "Dave"...could have been a lot better. Just sayin'.

My problem isn't that it's predictable, it's that it's just awful. 'Fire and Water' is a damn good example of how to do that episode, and an underrated ep of Lost. You get Charlie questioning his sanity, which builds to him putting everyone at risk and being changed forever.

...SOS. I hate SOS because it made me hate Rose, who I thought should've had more screen time since the beginning; and I've seriously wanted her to just be gone since. It turned Bernard into a whiny, impotent moron. It was okay when he was shaky and nervous during the Other 48 Days, but when they decided that's how he always is I just lost interest in him. That's also the episode where they started a pointless thing with their marriage, having them bicker about food and whatnot like they're back home. It's like the writers are to say something about them, but...not.

Rose should've had a stronger reaction to Charlie's death... but I understand the actress does a lot of stage work, so they can't get her too often. Which sucks, we have to put with EL and MF 'acting' every week instead.

Um, actually yes, yes I did. All of that. Because, you know, I pay close attention to the things I watch, which makes it quite easy for a poorly-written and contrived episode like Dave. Let's see, if Dave isn't real, which you figure out THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE HIM, then of course he's not in the photo, and of course he's not real on the Island. And Libby being in the asylum makes common sense and explains her entire relationship with Hurley. Color me unsurprised by the whole episode. And for your information, sir, "bullshit" is one word, rather than two sentences.

Locke's presence on the right side of the poster implies we'll definitely be getting flashbacks (relative to the final scene of season 4) that describe what happened on the island in the interim.<br><br>Not counting Locke, who did obviously escape the island, there is only one Oceanic 815 passenger represented on the right half of the poster. Apparently poor Sawyer is the only major notable character left to save from the show's original conceit!

It's easy to say you saw something coming in retrospect. I bet you're one of those people who walked out of The Sixth Sense saying, "I knew it the whole time". Yeah, sure. Dave being not real, okay, that I buy. But Libby in the asylum? Sorry, I don't buy that. At MOST, and this is extreme MOST, I'd be willing to buy you suspected. But saw it coming? Common sense? You're just making that shit up to look superior and back up hate for an episode that's not all that bad.<p> I'd also like to say to zooch: dude, some of us like our Michelle Rodriguez. Back off. You're not wrong, she was a tough character to like, but I think she had potential. Like Eko, her character suffered from the actor deciding to run away for no good reason (or the DWI, depending on what you believe).

Jack's father is dead in the normal world. So what does that do for your "of course such and such" bullshit attitude? Locke was a paraplegic in the normal world. Of course he's paraplegic on the isl-wait, no he's not. It was established well before Dave that the island has some funky properties. Bringing to life someone's delusion would not be out of the question.

I have to agree with you on Bell, Zeddemore. Maybe Hobocode's not a fan, but I didn't see anything wrong with her performance in FSM. And she was great on Veronica Mars, even if I think that show had a boatload of problems. As for Heroes, that's more the fault of the writers. Which is where I will agree with Hobocode and disagree with you. I'm sorry, dude, but Heroes is just awful, awful stuff. I gave it every chance but this season just stuck the nail in the coffin of my interest. I've been in the Heroes talkbacks and listened to the rationalizations and excuses and outright leaps of logic by Heroes fans and I'm not convinced. By any of it. Smallville might not be the greatest show on earth, but it's firing on about a dozen more cylinders this season than Heroes, which is floundering under the weight of its own characters' stupidity (and no, naivete is NOT an excuse for their behavior), inconsistency, immaturity, etc.

THAT's who that blank space is for on the poster! <p>
btw, there seems to be a bit of confusion going on - Kristen Bell was (still is) on Heroes occasionally, while ZOE Bell was briefly on Lost... One is a yank, the other a kiwi - I would'a thought it'd be hard to get them confused, but there ya go... <p>
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About the rocks - I was always under the impression the breaking of the rocks was just something DUMB to give Kate and Sawyer to do and would actually serve NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, beyond keeping them occupied - and maybe let them get a little (more) hot for each other for when Jack gets to watch. <p>
So when Juliet is asked why they're doing it, she comes up with the DUMBEST explanation she can think of - funnily enough some people actually seem to take her explanation seriously?? <p>
..but I digress... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLTTTTTTT!

Wow, lots of hostility here. Honestly, I'm not making anything up to make myself feel superior, so you should stop feeling attacked and inferior. I'm not trying to make myself feel superior about anything. However, as someone who has made studying writing a life-long pursuit, the twists in "Dave" didn't shock me at all. The Libby thing especially didn't surprise me as the crash survivors were already starting to be established as firmly interconnected. I just kind of looked at my TV and went, "...and?" Additionally, it's one thing for the island to revive the dead (Christian) and heal the sick (Rose, Locke), in all its Christlike power. It's another to make something (Dave) out of nothing. I'm not putting it past the island if they establish something really strange down the line, but at that point there wasn't -- and still isn't -- any precedence for an imaginary person to become real. The whole episode is about Hurley being tested by the island. There's a reason the mysterious food drop occurs right after Hurley trashes his secret stash, after all. What better way to further test him than make him doubt his own sanity and almost take his own life? It is, by far, the most paint-by-numbers episode so far. Finally, it's funny you should bring up The Sixth Sense. Walking into the theater, just as a haphazard guess, I said to everyone I was with, "You know, I bet Bruce Willis is dead." As soon as the movie started rolling, I completely forgot about that prediction because I was so enraptured in the actual movie. It was only afterwards when I was reminded by another person of what I had said that I recalled my initial statement. But if you still feel like I have some sort of "bullshit attitude", if it makes you feel any better, I didn't predict the ending of Unbreakable, the mid-season endpoint of Battlestar Galactica season 4, or, for that matter, the identity of Jeremy Bentham in Lost season 4, among many other twists. Those were genuine surprises to me.

Lost really does surprise me, more often than not. Just because I predicted the events in "Dave" and mentioned it on a damned website is not grounds to jump down my throat with the all-too-implicit allegations of intellectual snobbery implicit in your tone. You want a list, besides Jeremy Bentham, of things that surprised me in Lost, from season 4 alone? Okay. Aaron as one of the 06. Hurley seeing the cabin. Locke: "We have to move the island." Ben's mode of departure from the Island (I'd love to watch the S4 finale and then immediately watch the flashforward sequences in "The Shape of Things to Come"). Michael telling Walt what he did to get him back. Sun's encounter with Widmore. Ben's promise to kill Penny. Rousseau and Karl's deaths. Alex's death. I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of anything else as it's 6am.

I never meant to come off as superior. If I did, my apologies. I was just stating my personal experience with a single television episode (and, later, a single film). Another two shows that routinely surprise me? Battlestar Galactica and Supernatural. Lots of things surprise me; that's when I know the writing isn't stale claptrap. Then again, I try to endure as little poor writing as possible.

to us all how you knew in the very first scene that you saw him that Dave wasn't real. Explain that to me. Eithere you'r lying, or you're one of those assholes who immediately try to deconstruct every single thing you watch looking for twists. If this is the case, I'll bet you make hundreds of guesses and hunches that turn out to be wrong. Why don't you just watch the show and try to enjoy it. If you are constantly trying to figure out what's happening in every aspect, you will inevitably be dissappointed in the conclusion of the show. Just sit back and watch. Don't be the asshole who says "I told you so!!! I knew it!!!" Sure you did...

on that!!! Keep in mind, this preceded the rash of movies that had twist endings. If you had already heard there was a twist ending and spent the movie looking for something, then I can buy you figuring out the ending halfway through the movie. But if you are claiming that you just happened to stroll into a moive theatre to see something you don't know much about and just predicting that Willis is dead, well, that strains credibility. Tell me when you ever walked into a movie theatre and guessed the Lead Actor was really dead. If you've never made that guess before, then why would you guess it about Bruce Willis? You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I don't know how you can enjoy movies at all if that's how you watch movies. People's entire sense of enjoying that movie is dependent on them being shocked by the ending. If you know what happens, the movie just isn't very good. Unless you did alot of research or saw it after everyone was already talking about the twist ending, I don't see any way you could've guessed the ending. I remember when that movie came out they did a hell of a job hiding the secret ending. They did a really good job of keeping the critics from revealing the ending of the movie, just that you had to see the end. You just aren't believable, sir.

when to use the word "surprised". First of all, if you just watched the show and didn't read columns like this, then you would've been "surprised" by Sun and Sayid being off the island, too. Also, saying you were "surprised" by something assumes that you were expecting something else. Therefore, normal story points shouldn't qualify as a "surprise". I don't see how Hurley seeing the Cabin would be a "surprise". Or how Michael telling Walt what he did is a "surprise". The word surprise should be saved for situations that shock you. That you totally did not see coming. If just the normal course of "reveals" surprise you, then every single episode of Lost qualify as surprises. We didn't know anything that was going to happen before it happened. You see, Locke having his kidney stolen or being thrown out the window by his Dad, those are surprises. Anthony Cooper turning out to be the original Sawyer was not because they were telegraphing that for 3 seasons. See the difference? Ben killing his Dad and shooting Locke were surprises. Locke coming back to life was not because it was obvious his tory wasn't over. Do you see the difference? Not every single plot point qualifies as a surprise, douchebag....

from the very first scene, he calls Hurley "dude" and is invisible to everyone else on the basketball court. I also called the flashforward in series 3 as soon as I saw Jack with a beard. However Lost as made my jaw drop many many times with shit I had no idea was coming.

How did I know Dave wasn't real? Because right after the food drop, WHICH IS SO OBVIOUSLY TESTING HURLEY, a guy in a bathrobe and pajamas appears waving at Hurley that ONLY HE CAN SEE? Yeah, that's not in his head at all. The Sixth Sense thing was, like I admitted earlier, A WILD GODDAMN GUESS BASED ON THE GENERAL CONCEIT OF THE MOVIE, WHICH I SAW A DAY AFTER IT OPENED AND DID NOT KNOW OF ANY TWIST ENDING AT ALL. Wow. Surprise doesn't necessarily mean COMPLETE AND TOTAL SHOCK OMG. Little things can come as shocking gut-punches too, or can induce heart-racing moments. Hurley seeing the cabin is a surprise because it blindsides you by coming out of seeming nowhere; previously only Locke and Ben or those who are "worthy" had been able to see the cabin. I would never have ever grouped Hurley in with them. THAT'S why it was surprising to me. Michael telling Walt? Well, I knew Michael was a dreadful person, but good God, you don't tell your kid you two killed people just to get him back safely no matter how awful you are. That was a SURPRISE to me. And no, I don't pick apart every detail as I watch anything; that's saved for repeated viewings. I was a Cinema Studies major. I can't help it. Sometimes, though, as with poorly written shit like "Dave", it jumps out at you and says HERE I AM. Sun and Sayid didn't surprise me; someone had to constitute the 06, and frankly there weren't that many left at the time (granted, this was before Claire ran off and Michael and Jin exploded, but I already knew Locke wasn't leaving with Jack because it would screw his character up way too much, and it wasn't going to be Michael because he had already made his tickertape parade-worthy return). And quit calling me names, dude. Did I kill your dog or something and not notice? Shit. I'm not attacking you or anything despite the fact that you have the same name as a dickhead Depression-era radio preacher, which is just such an easy target. Lay off. Look, I felt bad Necgray thought I was being a prick, but I'm not. I'm stating my own personal experiences with two separate pieces of fiction, and from that you presume to know everything about me. I'm done with apologizing to people who I'm not directly antagonizing. Man, I love the Internet.

to figure out that Dave was not real. The fact that the mental patients didn't listen to him on the b-ball court was not proof to me that he wasn't there, just that they were all crazies. Of course after the fact you can tell all of the scenes he never directly interacted with any other characters. But Lost does go out of its way sometimes to try and fool the audience. In real life someone with an imaginary friend would not try to put their arm around them like that. Mental Illness doesn't work that way. Lost sometimes cheats to tell a story and sometimes overexplains. I think this was an example where they oversold making the episode on the weak side. I do, however, think you have to really be looking for somehting in every episode to catch it. I just think you take away from your enjoyment if you don't just let the storytellers take you on the ride they intended. Second and third viewings are for dissecting the episode. But, if you are deconstructing the episode from the start, you aren't gonna have the emotional response where they intended it. I know this because I messed my DVDs up and watched the beginning of the last DVD of season 2 where they showed in the PREVIOUSLY ON LOST segment that Micheal shot Ana-Lucia and Libby and let Henry Gale go. At this time, I didn't even know who Henry Gale/Ben was and barely knew who Ana-Lucia and Libby were and didn't understand why Michael shot them. It really ruined the power of the end of Season 2 for me. But I just don't think that unless you go into something ALWAYS expecting some kind of twist that you immediately knew that Dave was a fake person. They never played the fake person angle before. I just think that people who do what you do (and I know more than one person like you) are robbing themselves of enjoying something as much as possible. I like to trust the filmmakers and storytellers to take me on a ride in this world they created and then try to analyze it after the fact. I'm sure you would enjoy things more if you weren't actively trying to find the hidden meanings and telegraphed twists while you were watching the movie/show. As far as The Sixth Sense, seriously, stop Bullshitting. I refuse to believe that anyone who went to that movie without knowing there was a Twist Ending immediately figured out Bruce Willis was dead. I concede it's possible to figure out Dave was imaginary in the first scene if you were looking for some kind of twist. However, I do not see how you figured out Bruce Willis was dead movie unseen. Are you saying you knew it from the scene in the trailer where Haley Joel there says "I see dead people?" I'm just not buying it. Maybe if you said it after you saw him shot in the beginning, but before you walked in the theatre? What did you base this on? Have you ever guessed the lead character in any ohter movie was already dead? How many guesses have you made that turned out to be wrong? I'm sorry, you're just not believable...

I just don't understand a fellow film-fan reacting like you do. It must be the film school influence, the fact that you have knowledge of ho a story is put to screen. It always makes me wonder how actors or directors that live with these stories for months or years can enjoy them when nothing is fresh to them by the time they see it. Or all the people tht read scripts first long before the films get made. It's a shame, really...

...you must not have read my post where I said "And no, I don't pick apart every detail as I watch anything; that's saved for repeated viewings." Like I said previously, this particular occasion jumped out at me. I *like* being surprised by stories, which is why "Dave" was a massive let-down. I would have loved to see a scene where, after where the actual episode ends, we see Dave walking alone in the forest and meeting up with Tom or something. That would have been a surprise. As for your accusation of bullshitting, I'm honestly, truly not. Judging from the trailer, this was not going to be a family movie about a shrink who helps a young boy overcome his ghost-induced traumas; it would have been marketed differently otherwise. There was clearly something more to it. I suppose the fact that I became completely wrapped up in the film itself once it started and completely forgotten about my prediction until much later doesn't win me any points with you at all? I guess not. I *enjoy* being entertained by stories and going along for the ride, and it has never once been a hobby of mine to guess everything before it happens. I leave that to psychics and meteorologists.

A few things. Jack got beat up because whats her names tattoos/predictions were only ment for certain people and Jack forced her to give him one. As for Cindy Darlton in the Podcast did confirm in a Podcast that Cindy and the rest were there to witness Juilets trial, while they do joke they actually give out quite a bit of information in the podcasts.I believe that they were serious when they said that the sheriff died in the raid.

I was a bit reactionary. Douchebaggery conceded. You should be careful how you phrase things, too, though. There's a difference between saying that you saw Libby's presence coming and saying you weren't surprised by it. I wasn't surprised by it either. I didn't see it coming, but as you said, it made total sense given the connections that the show was planting well in advance. But I didn't SEE IT COMING. As for Dave himself, I already admitted I could buy you predicting that. But then again, I don't think the show was trying really hard to convince anyone. I think you were MEANT to doubt. The superiority thing comes into acting like everyone you know is wrong for liking it. When you say they have a "boner" for it, that sounds like you're making fun. Just because your friends and doubtlessly many many viewers were left in suspense over Dave's reality and YOU weren't doesn't mean the episode is bad. It means you happen to know more about how shows are structured than your friends and family.

It's all good, sir. It's a little hard to phrase things at 4-6am on three hours of sleep, clearly. And honestly, when I say my friends have a "boner" for something, that's expected and accepted phraseology in my group. I never said my friends, many of whom were also Cinema majors, were in suspense over Dave's reality; I just said they liked the episode more than me. That's all. Lordy, I'd be the last person to even IMPLY someone I know is wrong for liking anything. My friends and I differ on many subjects, and I never say they're wrong; I just respect their opinion. Seeing as you don't know my interpersonal relationships -- and no, I'm not deriding you for it, just stating the obvious -- you can't judge how I interact with the people I care about. That's all. And in the end, I'd take "SOS" over "Dave" any day of the week. Plus, I saw you're a Supernatural fan over in the Smallville talkback. I think any differences we may have regarding one television episode can easily be put aside by saying that the story of the Brothers Winchester is freakin' cool.

I read somewhere that the island might be in the 70's now. This explains why Locke might not actually be dead on island, he was alive in the seventies. This explains Alpert's lack of aging but also why Linus was in that 70's photo at the airport.
I dk about Christian (jacks dad) or if he is dead or not. Dk why he would be "alive" on the island and dead Real World.

was in OZ boning claires mom. He paid for Claires mom's med bills after the her car accident. It is still a mystery as to how Christian shepard died. We that his body was found that and that jack had to bring his body back to the US. Christian shepard was having that affair for a very long time. The actress who played claires mother was horrible. and the scene where jack finds out was brutally acted.

In fact, I have a boner for hating you. <p> Oh, sarcasm. <p> Incidentally, how do you feel about Bella? I liked her a lot and don't at all understand the fan backlash against her. Maybe it's just me, but does it strike you that it's largely jealousy by the huge female and/or gay fandom? They just refuse to accept an attractive female as being a part of the main cast...