Tomdg07 said:not agreeing with throttles, but I do like this better than the top 5% crap... at least the policy is now more black and white and less gray than the previous method.

It's definitely a step towards the right direction, but they aren't there yet. This is the outcome of operators attempting to sell services the same way gym's oversell their memberships. And, they are sitting on good spectrum... so until they actually have little to no spectrum left and show true evidence of network issues then the "problem" is not on the consumer end, but on the carrier end.

so they should wait until they have nothing left and have their backs against the wall before they do something. Then the response would be "why didnt they do something earlier on when they knew this could be a problem later on".

edzero said:so they should wait until they have nothing left and have their backs against the wall before they do something. Then the response would be "why didnt they do something earlier on when they knew this could be a problem later on".

The flaw in your argument is that they are already behaving as if they don't have the available resources. It's one thing to say they truly don't have the available resources and another to create the situation purposefully.

Do you honestly think that if they expanded and invested in their network and utilized their entire spectrum portfolio that they'd be in a similar situation? Even in the long run, the network is becoming more efficient.

Im not a networking expert as well but I do know that at&t has put a tremendous amount of money into expanding its network. Im not saying what theyre doing is right, but its much better than the vague 5% policy they started with. I also have to say that just because at one point you signed up for something called unlimited data that doesnt mean that for the rest of your life you can abuse amount of data you use. Back in the day 2GB was considered excessive. Nowadays a lot of people use 2 GB if not more. But there are also people that are using 10+ GB. I think now your getting into the realm of excessive. If I went to an all you can eat buffet, that doesnt mean that I can show up when they open, pay one price and eat all day long u...(continues)

edzero said:Im not a networking expert as well but I do know that at&t has put a tremendous amount of money into expanding its network. Im not saying what theyre doing is right, but its much better than the vague 5% policy they started with.

I also said that this is a step in the right direction. But, I stress again... AT&T should look only at itself to blame for the situation it is in first before chastizing customers.

There are actually provisions in the T&C which state limitations to the "Unlimited" data. But, those were more along the lines of you can't use this to host a server, you can't do anything illegal (such as DDOS), etc. Except, AT&T is punishing customers for using their phones in a stan...(continues)

The fairest and smartest thing AT&T can do is throtle only when it needs to and throttle as little as possiable. So if the network can handle it let it, otherwise reduce speed only if it is needed.Simple.

What are you doing using that much data on a phone? Why do you NEED this much? Are you a Doctor saving lives? A scientist that is solving world hunger...wait...maybe you are a new business owner and run all of your business from an iphone with your newly made app. If you are complaining about needing 10 Gb for your Media pleasures...you need to rethink what you consider important in your life. Resources are not unlimited. AT&T has spent 98 Billion dollars over the last 5 years to make everyone happy. They attempted to buy Tmo to make everyones internet wants and needs happy, but the public eye said hell no. The FCC is not allowing spectrum to be auctioned yet. At this time, ATT has enough coverage to continue business for the next 5 years wh...(continues)

Not to beat a dead house in these forums, but what business is it of yours what I do with it?But to satisfy your limited imagination, I drive truck cross-country. I use Tango to chat with my wife and daughter at bedtime. I stream my dvr, so that when I'm home on weekends, I'm not wasting my precious, limited family time catching up on my favorite shows. I stream Netflix and my DVR, to alleviate the boredom of downtime in whatever ghetto hellhole I'm delivering to. Do the math: that's an average of a gig an hour. I bank, pay bills, and shop: ONLINE. I check phonescoop periodically, to see what new tactic AT&T is going to use to screw me, an 8 year customer, who stayed when I should've jumped to Verizon, because AT&T said they'd never take a...(continues)

What did we do before we had DVR and Netflix. We watched tv when we could. If we missed a show then, oh well, thats too bad. We went to movies or rented movies. Now we're watching hours and hours of tv and movies on a 4 inch screen and straining our eyes. I know technology is amazing and I love that we CAN do all of this stuff, but there's got to be a limit. Its appreciate what you do for a living. I really do. You get products to the stores so that I can buy them. Its awesome that you use Tango to talk to your family every night. But there has to be a limit. As a whole we have to be able to realize that maybe sometimes we are using too much of something. Imagine if we all paid one price at the pump to fill our cars. The people ...(continues)

So your argument is let's go back to the 90's? Hey, VCRs let us record TV shows, too! Let's go back to them! High def is for whiny kids with their "Gameboys," and "Walkmans." Do you have any idea how f'ng out of touch you are with the millennium? Screw your entire perspective. I signed up for something. They promised it. They promote devices THAT CANNOT REASONABLY UTILIZE THE VERY TASKS THEY ADVERTISE IT AS BEING CAPABLE OF. That is dishonest. I will scream, for the right to enjoy my hometime, to be as close a possible to my wife and daughter as I can, and if edzero doesn't like it, he can go to hell or Pakistan, and Pakistan don't want him.

216dilbert said:The fairest and smartest thing AT&T can do is throtle only when it needs to and throttle as little as possiable. So if the network can handle it let it, otherwise reduce speed only if it is needed.Simple.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. When AT&T has done everything possible and they show evidence that they cannot handle the traffic... real evidence ... then, and only then, should they be given the ability to throttle. But, to throttle because they made the decision to not invest in their network propertly and/or enough is not justification enough.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. When AT&T has done everything possible and they show evidence that they cannot handle the traffic... real evidence ... then, and only then, should they be given the ability to throttle. But, to throttle because they made the decision to not invest in their network propertly and/or enough is not justification enough.

Who gave you the right to dictate to a private company how to run it's business and make demands of it.

ATT offers a service.If you don't like the service offered, don't buy it.It is very, very simple.It's none of your business how much and when ATT invests in it's network.Seriously.

dlmjr said:Who gave you the right to dictate to a private company how to run it's business and make demands of it.

I have a voice and an opinion. I can state my voice an opinion. You say it like what I suggest must become law, when it is simply my opinion of what a real solution is.

dlmjr said:ATT offers a service.If you don't like the service offered, don't buy it.It is very, very simple.It's none of your business how much and when ATT invests in it's network.Seriously.

Actually, it is partly my business because I own stock in AT&T, hence I get a voice. But, besides that... I also show my voice with my wallet, which is why I have Verizon Wireless service....(continues)

Nice reply. I like and use AT&T, but your reply here is truthful. Sounds like you make decisions. Something everyone dogging AT&T practices should do. Voice your opinion...that is fine and dandy. But if you complain and do nothing about it...your complaint is worth about as much as a pile of crap!

Because there was an agreement to provide a service when we signed. They had iphone and smartphone service showing all the nice things it could do. They had years of ads talking about how they're the fastest provider out there. And in many cases, they were. Now, they are going after their loyal customers. This is wrong.

There was also no guarantees of speed in the contract. No carrier guarrantees speed or continous access.

The basic contract was non binding for both parties, and in essence says the carrier will allow the customer to send and receive voice calls over the network along with downloading and uploading a specified amount of data.There is zero penalty for breaking that contract.Those contracts are virtually the same throughout the industry.Any penalties for termination are based upon the cost of the phone that the customer decided on at the time.If the customer owns the equipment outright or, pays full retail price, there is no fee for cancellation of service and the contract is considered a month to month contract.

mycool, Or throttle during certain hours, I'm sure after business hours on an average day, they can provide most of what people need. Or in others words, 5gb per month, between 8am and 7pm (or whatever) and then leave people open for the rest of the day.

I use AT&T, I have over the years found them to be getting faster and faster, not slower. I do know other areas can be different. I don't see a major problem down where I live.

To vote for what?I've never seen anything related to cellular data use on any ballots.You don't even have a say as to who the FCC commissioners are. They are appointed, not elected.Man, this is just too much.

I have no idea why and when people thought they had some god given right to unlimited access to the internet with their cell phones and think that they have a say in how a company runs it's business.

dlmjr said:To vote for what?I've never seen anything related to cellular data use on any ballots.You don't even have a say as to who the FCC commissioners are. They are appointed, not elected.

Wow, seriously? Did I say anything about voting for a ballot proposal (that does not exist) or for FCC commisioners. Do you honestly think I don't know that the FCC positions are appointed positions? But guess what... I can vote for Congressmen, Senators, a President, etc. And they are the ones that can appoint people to the FCC that watches over bad practices. And, I can voice my concern to them if they attempt to appoint someone who I don't agree with.

Wow, seriously? Did I say anything about voting for a ballot proposal (that does not exist) or for FCC commisioners.

How would I know what you meant unless you are specific.

Do you honestly think I don't know that the FCC positions are appointed positions? But guess what... I can vote for Congressmen, Senators, a President, etc. And they are the ones that can appoint people to the FCC that watches over bad practices. And, I can voice my concern to them if they attempt to appoint someone who I don't agree with.

I have no idea what you level of knowledge is.I will assume that you can and do vote for congressional positions, but you in fact do not vote fo...(continues)