Are you blind??? He clearly wrote "For me... " so, what is the problem? Also, educate yourself...

Yes, but after "for me" he cited BS which suppose to be historical facts...
And I'm very well educated, Balkan medieval history was my favorite subject in the university.

The myth that the South Eastern Balkan peoples had stopped or prolonged the Ottomanic European conquest is just that, a myth. The Balkan peninsula was literally sweeped away by them. Tarnovgrad, the medieval Bulgarian capital, fell in 1393. The Battle of Kosovo in 1389 effectively marked the end of the Serbian power in the region. Greece was done by 1460. And we fell because we were divided. The Western Europe endured the challange, because they were more or less united at the Gates of Vienna.

But if something makes us truly great, that is the fact that conquered peoples of the Balkan peninsula managed to saveguard their ethnic and religious identity after 500 years of Ottoman yoke. This is what makes the Serbs great.

Yes, but after "for me" he cited BS which suppose to be historical facts...
And I'm very well educated, Balkan medieval history was my favorite subject in the university.

The myth that the South Eastern Balkan peoples had stopped or prolonged the Ottomanic European conquest is just that, a myth. The Balkan peninsula was literally sweeped away by them. Tarnovgrad, the medieval Bulgarian capital, fell in 1393. The Battle of Kosovo in 1389 effectively marked the end of the Serbian power in the region. Greece was done by 1460. And we fell because we were divided. The Western Europe endured the challange, because they were more or less united at the Gates of Vienna.

But if something makes us truly great, that is the fact that conquered peoples of the Balkan peninsula managed to saveguard their ethnic and religious identity after 500 years of Ottoman yoke. This is what makes the Serbs great.

People from Balkan hadn´t won the battles aggainst but they stopped the turks when their army was the strongest since the Ottoman empire excisted.
In the battle of Kosovo Serbs fought aggainst a army which had 3 times more soldiers and we destroyed 80% of this army.
So the turkish army became very weak they wanted to make a pact with the serbs and attack Vienna.
Serbs fought also in every battle together with the Habsburg empire aggainst the turks.
I don´t know what your problem is Serbs also deserved to be a part of history and also did a lot for Christianity and White Europe.
I also don´t say that Serbs saved alone half of Europe offcourse there were countries that did much more for Europe then Serbs I only wanted to say that Serbs also played a big role in saving Europe.

Can you please stop this thread full of "My E-pen is bigger then yours" stuff, and specially take care and think twice before you ban certain members like me without any reason, while allowing at the same time 2321032423 th account of well known trollgarian Das Wolf/Noх/Pistasomething .

This thread brought many invalid and retarded arguments, you can debate more maturely with kids from fifth grade of elementary school.

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[QUOTE=antimusliman;10822620]I never said that serbs fought evereivere in europe aggainst the turks.
I said that we saved the west because after the battle of kosovo the turkish army was very weak and wasn't abble to continue to the west.
Serbs fought in Vienna and in Constantinople.
Serbs were under turkish rule but never became turkish vassals and they fought always together with Austrians,Hungarians and other white christian nations.
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I never said that serbs fought evereivere in europe aggainst the turks.
I said that we saved the west because after the battle of kosovo the turkish army was very weak and wasn't abble to continue to the west.
Serbs fought in Vienna and in Constantinople.

Yes, Serbs did fight in Constantinople, like Đurađ Branković and his Serbian troops that fought on the Ottoman side.
There are other examples of Serb-Ottoman collaboration, Battle of Ankara Battle﻿ of Nicopolis, Battle of Karanovasa.

But this was not unique to Serbs, many nations collaborated at some points with the Ottoman Empire, based on their own interests.

The biggest mistake was lack of unity.
Hungary should have helped Serbs at Kosovo 1389, but at the time we didn't care about them because they were Orthodox, and when we did care it was too little too late.

The first time the Balkan united, during the First Balkan War they overthrew the Ottoman Empire. If the Balkan, as well as Romania, Hungary did this much earlier things would have been much better for us.

Yes, Serbs did fight in Constantinople, like Đurađ Branković and his Serbian troops that fought on the Ottoman side.

And last Byzantine emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos Dragaš was a half Serbian, his mother princess Jelena Dragaš was Serbian. So i don't see much of a point there. One man treachery can't be thrown at whole people. On the other hand, 1204 certain white nations had perfectly calculated robbery of Constantinople, which went in aid to the Turks because it was 1204 when Byzantine really fell.

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There are other examples of Serb-Ottoman collaboration, Battle of Ankara Battle﻿ of Nicopolis, Battle of Karanovasa.

At the same time there was a British collaboration with Turks during Crimean war, in which they entered purely for their interests, and only reason Serbs helped Ottomans is in order to gain a slightly better treatment under their rule. Don't think they have enjoyed it. On the other hand there were numerous Serbian soldiers who were in Hungarian troops during the very same battle.

And i don't wan't to remind you of the biggest Northern Serbian hero, Vuk Grgurević, loyal feudal lord of king Matthias. ( only stranger king loved by the Serbs) He and his knights formed the backbone of Black Army of Matthias Corvinus, led them into a glorious victories against Turks, such when he seized Srebrenica or the battle of Brodfeld (Kenyérmező) when at the decisive moment in battle Hungarian and Serbian cavalries charged Turkish center and broke their ranks, which decided the outcome of the battle. This "flanking" tactics is both studied at Serbian and Hungarian military academies till this very moment.