How can I use one effect-rack in two tracks without changing eachothers parameters?

Okay here's the things. Im pretty new to DJ'ing in Ableton and I made a simple rack (beat repeater, EQ3, Auto filter and Redux) and I put it in both my audio-tracks.

I mapped them to my launchpad and novation zero sl mkll to control Ableton, which works really well, except for one thing.... If I adjust parameters in my rack in track 1, it also changes in track 2. I don't think this is normal, since I hear a lot of DJ's play 2 tracks at the same time with different adjustments (one with a highpass and the other with a lowpass for instance).

I guess I mapped things wrong. I put this simple rack in both tracks and mapped everything double(one time for each track) because when I started mapping I noticed that under 'Path' (in the mapping list) it always says for which tracks it is. Is it possible to change this? because I guess that would solve my problem right?

Would be great if someone has a solution for this, or has a better approach to DJ in Ableton!

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philipc

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Looks like it was mapped wrong. Look at MIDI mapping screen (button in top right) and see if CC values are mapped to more than one control. If they are, delete the ones you don't want. You might also want to check that all your MIDI gear is sending different CC values. If more than one knob sends the same value then that will mess things up!

3 years ago|
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anamexis

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When you say you mapped it double, do you mean you mapped the same physical controls (on the SL MkII) to each of the effect racks? If so, this is the problem. Simply map a different physical control to each of the parameters on each of the tracks.

3 years ago|
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vitaminB

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Mapping the same knob to two separate controls is the problem here. But you can partly get around this with Ableton's instant mapping feature if your controller is supported.

1. Group all your FX devices into one Audio FX rack and set up the macro mappings so the controls you want to MIDI map are all available on the rack's macro bank.

2. Now, whenever you select a track, the first rack in the chain will get a blue hand in its title bar and the first 8 knobs on your controller will instantly map to your DJ macros.

Main issue with this solution is that you can't control both tracks at once - for example gently cutting lows on track A while fading out the highs on track B requires constant switching between tracks. If that's a problem you need to hard-map your knobz and use twice as many of them.

3 years ago|
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Nits

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Okay this make sense. I mapped the same physical controls to each rack. So what I need to do now, is just give one controller one function on one track, right?
I have 16 knobs on my sl kmII. the first 4 I use for sending A and B. This means that I have 12 knobs left to divide between the two tracks, I always thought DJ's used more...

Guess I have to rethink my functions of my knobs then.

Anyway, thanks for the answers! Things make a lot more sense now!

3 years ago|
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woodenwheels

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If this is still bugging you, try using the Control surface in MIDI / Sync in options. If there is a preset for your novation then it will automatically map to the rack 'macros' of whichever rack you have selected. (a little blue hand will appear) when this blue hand is on, the other rack will not be afffected. this is more useful than simply 'MIDI learning' using the midi map list for things like this...

1 year ago|
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