I believe he is saying they are treating people better and that has reduced readmissions. I don't see him attributing that to ACA.

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The takeaway from this thread is the same as all discussions about health care here. If you question anything its "Obama hating". The ability to emotionalize any argument has been a hallmark of Groucho's posting history and I'm beginning to agree with Zartan now.

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Actually it's the people specifically 'hating' obama that brings up the hating obama thing, not the questioning of whatever obama is doing...

I realize you might have just skimmed over the thread and didn't see it - but a number of people specifically singled out Obama and were blaming him for what can only be described as helping hospitals and the overall heathcare industry.

"According to a report from Cigna Government Services, which processes Medicare claims in North Carolina and 17 other states, more than 80 physicians in North Carolina have opted out of Medicare in the past year. That's in addition to the 100 physicians statewide who stopped seeing Medicare patients in 2008, the report states.

Even more practices have stopped accepting new Medicare patients. Family Medical Associates of Raleigh, for example, decided three years ago to accept Medicare payments only from existing patients.

"The payment from Medicare for our services is less than it costs us to provide those services," said Dr. Conrad Flick, a partner in Family Medical Associates and a board member of the American Academy of Family Physicians.

The gap has grown every year, he said, as salaries and overhead costs have increased while the reimbursement rate under Medicare has remained relatively flat.

The decision to turn away patients on Medicare wasn't an easy one, Flick said, but it was the only option he and his partners had if they wanted to remain in business."

"A new survey of physicians has found that 28 percent of doctors in Virginia intend to place new or additional limits on accepting Medicare patients, with 23 percent altogether refusing to accept new Medicare patients, because of Obamacare’s impact on the fees that Medicare pays to providers of health-care services.

In addition, Obamacare will deeply cut Medicare Advantage for 174,000 Commonwealth seniors who are enrolled in the program, and drive up the cost of private health coverage, especially for those who buy insurance on their own."

So the gubmint is telling people if they want gubmint paid for healthcare they have to go to doctors who will provide that healthcare for a reasonable price. Sounds like the sort of solution RWNs should be praising!

So the gubmint is telling people if they want gubmint paid for healthcare they have to go to doctors who will provide that healthcare for a reasonable price. Sounds like the sort of solution RWNs should be praising!

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Not an unexpected spin on a sadly real problem their mindless dribble has caused. People will die, freedom is restricted and liberal will be demanding more because they expect everyone to care for them and the hell with everyone else. I'll let them wallo in their own waste.

Congress can vote to approve rate increases. I seriously doubt Obama will veto it, nor would the Senate vote against it.

The main reason these reimbursements are so low is a law passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by Clinton, that tied the reimbursement rates to the GDP. That rate has been adjusted upwards every few years by Congress so there is no reason Congress can't do so again.

Freedom is restricted because the gubmint will only pay reasonable prices when it pays for health care for old people?

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There we go again, liberals trying to make their point using undefined terms. What do you see as "resonable"? Clearly that means they should not make any profit at all, and work for nothing. Doctors should be enslaved but they need to call it something else. Of course we can kiss advances in care good-by. With no profit there is no incentive. Of course liberals don't understand the meaning of incentive. It is another of those reflex bad things like profit.

You can try and dictate how 'reasonable' is defined, but you can't make them accept it.

As more and more doctors refuse Medicare patients, those patients will be dumped on fewer and fewer medical facilities which will, in turn, cause them to stop taking Medicare patients as well, until they will have nowhere else to go except the emergency room, which will, in turn, put further pressure on hospitals resulting in many of them closing.

The new requirements hurt the very people that are supposedly the government wants to help.

I'm going to start my own hospital where we charge medicare patients $1000 to see me for 5 minutes. If the gubmint doesn't pay me that much they hate freedom and want old people to die in their own shit!

You can try and dictate how 'reasonable' is defined, but you can't make them accept it.

As more and more doctors refuse Medicare patients, those patients will be dumped on fewer and fewer medical facilities which will, in turn, cause them to stop taking Medicare patients as well, until they will have nowhere else to go except the emergency room, which will, in turn, put further pressure on hospitals resulting in many of them closing.

The new requirements hurt the very people that are supposedly the government wants to help.

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It's hillarious to see an RWN who so totally misunderstands market forces.

The gubmint pays out hundreds of billions of dollars in medicare payments every year. You are a certifiable nut if you think the market is going to abandon those people just because payments got cut by a few %.

A more valid complaint would be to say we're going to end up with a two-tier insurance system where those with gubmint insurance have to go to not quite so nice doctors offices where the doctors and staff make not quite so much money and therefore are not quite as qualified because the gubmint refuses to pay the same premium prices the private sector will.

You can try and dictate how 'reasonable' is defined, but you can't make them accept it.

As more and more doctors refuse Medicare patients, those patients will be dumped on fewer and fewer medical facilities which will, in turn, cause them to stop taking Medicare patients as well, until they will have nowhere else to go except the emergency room, which will, in turn, put further pressure on hospitals resulting in many of them closing.

The new requirements hurt the very people that are supposedly the government wants to help.

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It's hillarious to see an RWN who so totally misunderstands market forces.

The gubmint pays out hundreds of billions of dollars in medicare payments every year. You are a certifiable nut if you think the market is going to abandon those people just because payments got cut by a few %.

A more valid complaint would be to say we're going to end up with a two-tier insurance system where those with gubmint insurance have to go to not quite so nice doctors offices where the doctors and staff make not quite so much money and therefore are not quite as qualified because the gubmint refuses to pay the same premium prices the private sector will.

But that seems like an RWN paradise.

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Of course, they won't abandon it, and yes it will create a two-tier system.

The fact remains that this legislation will hurt millions of Medicare patients who will be forced to receive sub-par service at 'not-quite-so-nice doctors offices'. And you are cheering that as an improvement.

The original link admits that their original treatment is so bad much of the time that the patient would have to be admitted again for another round of treatment. Medicare/Medicaid is saying...give them the proper treatment the first time.

I posted a graph showing medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy and that doesn't raise any concern with right wingers lol they are concerned about the government doing something about it like our healthcare system is fine the way it is. What a bunch of numbskulls.

its the sick who are a drain on our society
lets just off them and eliminate any kind of health insurance for all but the really wealthy and they would get a shiny gold card to flash around so the can flaunt their wealth

I posted a graph showing medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy and that doesn't raise any concern with right wingers lol they are concerned about the government doing something about it like our healthcare system is fine the way it is. What a bunch of numbskulls.

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Most (outpost) RWN's don't even accept (or recognize) that medical bills contribute to any bankruptcy, let alone that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy...

It's taken about ten years all told - but I can finally admit main stream modern republicans are completely full on fucking retarded in damn near every imaginable way.

I don't give up on shit easily. I am a god damn republican. I am not a green party, or independent, or a 'libertarian' - I'm a fucking god damn republican. I don't flip flop on a dime for this or that fad, I am a fucking republican. And the republican party has fallen so far half the time I am even a shamed to even admit that I am a republican in public.

republicans have surrounded themselves with a huge massive bubble of insanity and it's fucking impossible to have a conversation with a 'fellow' republican. I just spent a year and a half in republican land - trust me. I don't base my opinion on you fuck sticks, I base my opinion on real shit, not noobs who think they are trolling.