First off let me say that I have been a fan of Vaja for a very long time. I reviewed one of the very first cases they ever made, for the Palm Vx, back 2000 when the company was first started. Since then I have owned many of their cases for various devices from Ipods, Palm, Treo etc.

When I first saw that they had released a case for the 8700c I was psyched. I immediately ordered three cases in various configurations. I couldn't decide what color or what clip I wanted so being the lush that I am I just went ahead and ordered all of them. :smile:

Well all three cases arrived today.

They now come in a VERY large box.

As you probably gather from my earlier thread the news was not good. The fit on all three cases was just too tight. So tight I couldn't even get the 8700 to fit all the way inside the case. In order to even get it in almost all the way I have to push so hard on the 8700 I feel as though I might break it. I removed both the set of Egrips and I had installed and the Best Skins Ever as well. Still no go.

I e-mailed Vaja twice before finally getting a response from their customer service department.

Hi Lawrence,

Our cases design was meant to be very tight. As you might see the best way your Blackberry will stay safe inside the case is if held tight by both sides.
You should also take into account that as all new leather garment, the case has a tight fit. So at the beginning all our cases come with a rather tight fit since with time and use leather will stretch due to its natural features. Leather is indeed a flexible material.
In some days time you will notice that your cases will allow you to remove the device more easily.

Anyway, please follow these tips:
To insert the case you should take the case from the sides, press down firmly from the top of the device but without applying any pressure at the sides, since this will prevent the unit from going down. To remove the item, you should press from the bottom edge until the top of the unit protrudes 2 cm approximately from the top of the case, and when you see there is a gap between the edge of the BlackBerry itself and the bottom edge of the leather, insert your finger in that gap pressing the unit upwards.
You will notice that with time and use, as explained, your leather case will adapt to your BlackBerry perfectly achieving a perfect fit.

Ixxx180;d suggest you give it some time to adjust, then please get back to me and let me know how it worked out.

Not really the response I was looking for. But I did as suggested and I tried again to do it and the device went in only as far as before. Then I literally could not get it out. It was almost to the point where I thought I might have to cut the leather apart to free my device from the case. After five minutes of the hardest pushing I could muster I eventually free it.

It was then time for drastic measures. Since I was getting nowhere with Vaja and figured the only way I was going to get my device inside one of the cases was if I could somehow stretch the leather without destroying it. So that's just what I did. I searched around for something larger enough to stick into the case (that would allow me to get it out) and wide enough that it would put pressure on the sides of the case and cause it to stretch.

Enter the old trusty calculator. :smile:

Using the calculator I was able to stretch the leather enough so that it made inserting and removing the device from the case easier. Even so, once I was able to get the 8700 into the first case the fit still wasn't right.

I'm wondering if the fit problem has something to do with the lining on each case. More on that later.

All of these cases are "play-thru" cases. Meaning you do not have to remove the Blackberry from the case in order to use it.

None of these cases have a built in sleeper magnet.

There is a cut out on the back of the case for the speaker so alerts and ringtones are not muffled.

I ordered this version with no belt clip and a soft leather lining.

There is a cut out for both the charging port and headset jack.

There is a cut out for the trackwheel and recessed piece where the escape button is located.

This case has a clear plastic screen protector on it. The plastic is very rigid almost like plexi-glass. It's not like the soft, clear plastic found on most PDA cases. I would think it'll do a decent job of protecting the screen, but it also might scratch easily. Time will tell.

Overall I'm disappointed in this case. The fit isn't great and the leather feels very thin and cheap. This is not at all what I've come to expect from Vaja. It's hard to tell from the pictures. The fit actually looks worse. When you look at the screen dead on straight the fit seems okay (you can see the entire screen.) But when you look at the screen at an angle, which is how we most often view of Blackberrys part of the screen gets lost under the case.

One thing I should mention. As most of you know there is currently no 8700 specific cradle available. I own the 72xx series cradle and with this case installed the device fits perfectly in the cradle. When I place the 8700 into my cradle naked it's prone to fall out. Nothing holds or locks it in. The leather of the Vaja case creates enough hold that it prevents the device from falling out. Bonus feature.

Conclusions:

Bottom line. Ixxx8217;m not a fan of these cases.

The fit is a major issue. It does seem that the case that I ordered with the matching leather lining fits easier into the case. Where as the ones which have the soft leather lining are tougher to get in and out.

Neither really fits perfect. The problem with the top bar exists in all of them.

1. The fit is poor. Itxxx8217;s very hard to see the top menu bar (where battery, signal, time and date are shown) of the Blackberry when in this case. Perhaps the leather will loosen up over time and the fit will become better. I don't think I'm going to use these cases long enough to find out.

2. Ixxx8217;m nervous that the built in screen protector will end up getting scratched.

3. The leather feels very cheap. Itxxx8217;s not the Vaja leather Ixxx8217;m used to.

4. Customer service is not great. Ixxx8217;m still waiting for a response to all the issues I raised.

aphr0deity

03-27-2006 05:58 PM

CRAP.

I just realized I ordered this Vaja case for the 8700g, which as it stands has different screen contouring.

Smart of me.

lgreenberg

03-27-2006 06:01 PM

That definetly could be a problem.

VoIPNUT

03-27-2006 07:24 PM

They need the hardshell case to be developed for it to be worth it for me. I've owned 5 various cases from Vaja (3 iPod [2 3rd gen, 1 Video], 1 iPAQ and 1 Treo 650) and loved them all for the most part except the soft iPod one. The hardshell ones are about the best cases for electronic devices. Just my personal opinion.

Last week I got a response from them saying they were not planning a hard shell case.

lgreenberg

03-27-2006 07:27 PM

Agreed.

I think what you're referring to is their "Ivolution" style cases.

They're great. It's a shame they don't plan on making one for the 8700. The ones I reviewed above aren't even close.

dulcamara

03-27-2006 07:34 PM

No sleeper magnet == showstopper. What were they thinking?

I may get me an 8700 next month, but not with this case.

Igreenberg, I'm glad you come over here from HOFO to save us from bad cases.

lgreenberg

03-27-2006 07:37 PM

Well since it's a play-thru case I'm not sure how they'd effectively place a sleeper magnet.

Since you don't remove the Blackberry from the case you wouldn't have a way to activate the sleeper function.

Make sense?

The Fortte Open Faced case I also recently reviewed is the same way.

dulcamara

03-27-2006 07:45 PM

Makes sense. I avoided play-through cases for my 7100 for that reason, and because I carry it around in a backpack across oceans, and want to protect the keys.

I'll review your collected works before I invest in a case.

lgreenberg

03-27-2006 07:47 PM

I wonder if they could somehow intergrate a magnet into the belt clip holder thingy. That way when you used this type of case it would activate the sleeper magnet (they'd obviously have to start putting them in) when you holstered the case.

Jelly Bean

03-27-2006 08:05 PM

Igreenberg you mentioned protective screen scratch possibility.
Do you mean the protector scratching the real screen, or the protector screen getting scratched? I am not following you.

VoIPNUT

03-27-2006 08:10 PM

Ivolution! That's what it is. I couldn't for the life of me think of the name for them. I kept thinking Ivod which I think they coined for the ipod obviously. It looks like the "flipper" has the magnet. Those are a PITA though. I had one on my iPAQ and didn't like it as much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgreenberg

Agreed.

I think what you're referring to is their "Ivolution" style cases.

They're great. It's a shame they don't plan on making one for the 8700. The ones I reviewed above aren't even close.

lgreenberg

03-27-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

Igreenberg you mentioned protective screen scratch possibility.
Do you mean the protector scratching the real screen, or the protector screen getting scratched? I am not following you.

I meant the screen protector that's built into the case could get scratched.

ragin cajun

03-27-2006 09:09 PM

I would rather the built in screenprotector on the case to scratch instead of the phone itself.

gexx18

03-27-2006 09:23 PM

As always igreenberg, you have come through for all of us. Saving us a sh*t load of money and from much aggrivation. YOU are my HERO. I definatly WILL NOT be purchasing this case from vaja, I think I will stick to the Fortte. Again, Thanks for taking one for the team! Very much appreciated

BBRaffey

03-27-2006 09:34 PM

Thank you all for saving me hard earned $. I see that not only Larry, but a bunch of others that have received their Vaja cases for the 8700c are not enamored with it. Props to you all for alerting us.

Jelly Bean

03-27-2006 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

I would rather the built in screenprotector on the case to scratch instead of the phone itself.

I mean that is the point right? The case takes the knocks instead of the berry itself?
Is the case screen clear enough to see the real screen clear enough? I know you mentioned kinda cut off at the top, but as far as visual goes, can you see it ok?

dave3000

03-27-2006 10:37 PM

Do you see what happens, Larry?

lgreenberg

03-28-2006 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

I mean that is the point right? The case takes the knocks instead of the berry itself?
Is the case screen clear enough to see the real screen clear enough? I know you mentioned kinda cut off at the top, but as far as visual goes, can you see it ok?