Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.

violentsalvation:Okay okay okay, here's how you do it, KKK. Before you light your crosses on fire, attach yourselves to them. You'll be like race martyrs or something, message received, we'll totally get it then. Promise.

oooooI like this.

Q: What do you call 8,000 KKK martyrs just in time for easter?A: A job well done.

The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans. They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off. It's important for that message to get out. The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong. It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not. At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting. It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members. There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.

staplermofo:The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans. They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off. It's important for that message to get out. The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong. It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not. At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting. It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members. There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.

They're not just wrong. They're farking scumbags.

They want to exclude a large portion of society (a majority of society outside of the West, really) FROM society because of their genetics.

"Separation of the races", however peaceful, still bars anyone not-white from using the public facilities, the stores, the workplaces, and the education system that the white people get.

I don't care that they're not out there lynching people anymore, they are still actively trying to ruin lives by preventing them from having the same opportunities and to be treated like human beings.

Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

BMulligan:Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?

Gyrfalcon:BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?

I must have missed that 2nd name change. Perhaps to make them sound like educated mercenary killers?

Gyrfalcon:BMulligan: Certain brands become hopelessly tarnished and have to be sent down the memory hole. Philip Morris becomes Altria. Blackwater becomes Xe, which in turn becomes Academi. It's well past time for the Klan to come up with a new corporate identity, something less dated, something fresh and contemporary (the whole "K" thing is so lame).

Does anyone besides me think "Academi" is the most stupid name since the history of ever? What the hell is it even supposed to mean?

I figure it's just the name least likely to make anyone think of Blackwater.

I think the rebranding can definitely work. Le Pen the younger did it in France and they've started winning local elections, which they never could before. This stuff resonates more in bad times, and quite a lot of people are still seeing bad times in the US. So, a nice coat of paint to claim that "oh, sure the races would all part amicably and we'd all be better off" is probably enough to assuage the guilt someone might now feel for believing in something like this, and let people start taking them seriously again. They've thankfully got a long row to go, but if they do this right they can start moving on toward the mainstream again.

Hey, you can blame their agenda all you want, but they did real investigative journalism. You think tracking people down is free? That stuff costs money, and they should be applauded for spending the 25 seconds and 86¢.

doglover:The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

That part didn't last long; but yeah. They used to literally do frat-boy stunts like wearing an extra head made from a coconut, and then handing it off to a scared slave, saying "Here, hold my head a minute", or pouring a gallon of water into a hidden container under their robes and chortling "Boy I ain't had a drink since the battle of Antietam and you sure get thirsty in Hell!"

They might well have vanished as the dumbass country boys they were had Nathan Bedford Forrest not discovered them up there in Pulaski.

doglover:The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?/and what they stand for is disgusting

staplermofo:The KKK's core message resonates with a lot of decent, god-fearing, hard-working Americans. They don't want to hurt anyone, and they genuinely think their plan will make everyone better off. It's important for that message to get out. The worst thing you can say about them as a group, compared with people who disagree, is that they're wrong. It's tempting to say non-racists are better than racists in areas other than racism; but, we're probably not. At some point, if democracy is going to work, we have to learn to deal with the fact that people can be wrong and persuasive, and people can be right and off-putting. It's not fair to equate the KKK with the worst of its members, and it's not fair to equate civil rights leaders with the best of its members. There are jackasses on both sides, the difference is that one of them is right.

I like how you got a nibble/if not a bite right after you made it apparent in your next post that this one wasn't serious.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.

Phil Moskowitz:All you need for racism to flourish is lowered standard of living, lack of a robust job market, a broken education system. Generally just make people suffer and they'll blame a visible minority instead of who is actually to blame. Hitler figured this shiat out quick like.

Frank Herbert observed this in Dune, as did JMS in Babylon 5. At least they danced around these concepts (both were/are excellent students of history).

Gee why all the forgetting about Prohibition, which was a big Klan cause -- because the blacks, browns, immigrants, gays, Irish, Germans, Papists, Jews, eastern and southern Europeans would be so screwed without their booze?

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.

Crotchrocket Slim:doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?/and what they stand for is disgusting

The kind of boob that starts a social klub.

And, to be fair to the south, the Union was a bunch of dickholes. Sherman might have been right in his logical summary of what could be done, but actually doing it didn't win him any friends. Then the carpetbaggers came. It makes sense an anti yank social club would spring up.

But two things:1. Actual historians say the KKK was a social club initially, failed, then reborn as a hate group. It's not propaganda.

2. They're so professional and tight knit the people who wrote the Superman radio serials were able to penatrate their ranks and make it as high as a Knight to gather intel on them. Then they used their real details and passwords nationwide causing the wizard to flip his shiat... twice.

So while they might be a hate group that's done a few murders here and there, and generally detestable people, they're not exactly the Aryan Brotherhood.

FloridaFarkTag:Crotchrocket Slim: FloridaFarkTag: 420Gabriel: They could rename themselves the GOP.

Actually, and traditionally, the Klan is Democrat.

The Klan was notorious in the South from keeping Republicans from being elected, and to keep Blacks from voting Republican

Probably one of the biggest lies perpetuated by the media is that the GOP is racist...when in fact it was Democrats....and Democrats were the Klan members in the south

And when Northern Democrats finally addressed the racism in the southern portions of the Democratic Party, forcing the racists out (as a whole the Northern Democrats never through in with the Southern Democrats regarding race relations) racists left the Democratic Party and thanks to Atwater's Southern Strategy happily invited them into the GOP Big Tent. But don't let well known facts or history or reality prevent you from trying to spin this hackneyed narrative, we always like to knock it down and really it is rather boring pointing out that the GOP has to go over a century to find the last good act they did for America as a party.

George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.

FloridaFarkTag:George Wallace, Al Gore, Sr, William Fulbright, and a lot of other racist Democrats remained in the GOP. Gore, Sr and Fulbright (Bill Clinton's mentor) were Democrat Sens who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Atwater wasn't around until Bush 41...either. But, hey, facts never get in the way of Derpocrat spin.

In the case of Wallace, it was a Democratic President that mobilized the National Guard to force his schools to integrate when they gave the proverbial finger to a court order to do so, and years later he would renounce his support of segregation and express regret over ever having supported it.

As for both Atwater and the Souther Strategy, how farking stupid, ignorant, and or dishonest do you have to be to concoct revisionist history on something that's detailed in goddamn wikipedia in the year 2014? You're dealing with people far more knowledgeable than you will find in your Klan meetings Zeke.

From wiki:Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*bong*, n*bong*, n*bong*." By 1968 you can't say "n*bong*" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*bong*, n*bong*."(language cleaned up to respect the Fark filters)

Is it rude to intellectually depants the mentally retarded and/or psychologically unsound this early on a Sunday morning? Anyway look at how tiny your jimmy is.

doglover:Crotchrocket Slim: doglover: The original KKK was actually just a social club, apearently. Hence the high falootin' greek name. Then, stuff happened, members changed, and they slowly became a hate group.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the original KKK was racist, but it was a cultural artifact of slave owning southern aristocracy as opposed to the mission statement.

Seriously don't take their propaganda seriously, the KKK always was about being pissed at the Union for freeing the slaves and forcing the Old South into modernity. Also "Ku Klux Klan" is as "Greek" as Pig Latin is Latin. And what kind of uneducated boob spells "clan" with a K?/and what they stand for is disgusting

The kind of boob that starts a social klub.

And, to be fair to the south, the Union was a bunch of dickholes. Sherman might have been right in his logical summary of what could be done, but actually doing it didn't win him any friends. Then the carpetbaggers came. It makes sense an anti yank social club would spring up.

But two things:1. Actual historians say the KKK was a social club initially, failed, then reborn as a hate group. It's not propaganda.

2. They're so professional and tight knit the people who wrote the Superman radio serials were able to penatrate their ranks and make it as high as a Knight to gather intel on them. Then they used their real details and passwords nationwide causing the wizard to flip his shiat... twice.

So while they might be a hate group that's done a few murders here and there, and generally detestable people, they're not exactly the Aryan Brotherhood.

I'm not sure how making the distinction is useful considering they have the same exact agenda.