Folks have been tryin' ta chisel away at the 2nd fer years. Some think you should be able ta protect the homestead but not yerself out in public. Some folks think certain guns are OK an others aren't as technology in fire arms moves forward. Some think we shouldn't have any guns. I'm not in Law Enforcement but what it all comes down to is responsability. Plain and simple. If you can't protect yerself against a criminal who doesn't give a damn about the law in the first place, what good are all the gun laws to begin with. The slime will get there hands on them one way or another. I believe we should be able ta at least keep it even between us and them. Just so long as we are responsable.

Leo (average citizen)

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"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire." Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

I am retiring from the Air National Guard 28 November. We used to carry a Beretta 92 G mostly for anti Hijacking when I was flying C-130's as an Engineer. The two words people have really NOT spoken about are "FREE STATE". Written only 10-11 years after the revolution, the Forefathers knew an armed society was needed for A. the Militia, we had no standing army.B. So the government would be held in check by armed citizens. They knew power was all corrupting and provided this right for that reason.

Problem is that what the founding fathers thought was adaquate to keep the government in check will no longer work. In the worst case senario, no legal firearm is going to be much use against tanks and full auto comin' your way.

Hopefully the new regime will be too busy breaking their campaign promises to mess with our 2nd amendment rights. Plus, they don't have a fillibuster-proof majority to do anything at the national level.

I am retiring from the Air National Guard 28 November. We used to carry a Beretta 92 G mostly for anti Hijacking when I was flying C-130's as an Engineer. The two words people have really NOT spoken about are "FREE STATE". Written only 10-11 years after the revolution, the Forefathers knew an armed society was needed for A. the Militia, we had no standing army.B. So the government would be held in check by armed citizens. They knew power was all corrupting and provided this right for that reason.

I guess seeing how hard it is to get our planes mobilized and off the ground, I think the army would have a tough time reacting quickly. Getting tanks in position would be a lot tougher than you think. Automatic weapons are tough but when people are fighting for their own turf, accuracy counts more than spraying power. And I suppose lastly, very few military members would keep at the fight seeing their brethren fall. Military folks have as much IF NOT MORE contempt for politicians as everyone else. Did the soldiers & guards not turn their weapons during the Russian revolution? I AM NOT preaching Revolution, but I HAVE heard a lot of other folks speaking aloud about it. I am simply looking at it from a tactical perspective.

I guess seeing how hard it is to get our planes mobilized and off the ground, I think the army would have a tough time reacting quickly. Getting tanks in position would be a lot tougher than you think. Automatic weapons are tough but when people are fighting for their own turf, accuracy counts more than spraying power.

That's the only reason we were able to take Normandy. It should have been impossible. Just a thought.

Leo

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"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire." Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

One reason I enjoyed serving 25 years as a sworn Officer was that I cannot abide tyranny and bullying. My job, as I saw it, included standing up for the rights of all citizens as delineated in the Constitution. I believe in the right of citizens to carry firearms and go armed whenever and wherever they will. Perhaps, as one respondent spoke of, my handguns might not help against tanks and fully automatic firearms...but who's to say that they wouldn't. If I have a gun I'll fight with a gun against tyrants. If I only have a knife or spear then those are what I would use. If I don't have those articles then I will fight with a rock. No rocks? Then I'll gnaw 'em into submission. In New Jersey recently "laws" have been proposed to regulate martial arts practitioners. And in England common people can't even own a knife or sword.But, one damn thing they'll never be able to regulate out of existence is the will to live free and the determination to stand up to bullies. I'll carry that to my grave and I'll leave a legacy of determination when I pass on.Regulate that, Obama. I dare you.

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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains...and the women come out to cut up what remains; Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains. And go to your God like a Soldier.

This is more on the lines of 2nd amendment, but.....I had the great pleasure of seeing Lou Dobbs defend the second amendment on of all places CNN!! He stated flatly that he supports our right to keep and bear arms!! I rarely watch CNN, but the promo for the upcoming show was on a TV at the gym. We got home in time to see the show. I suppose he will end up on Fox like Glenn Beck did??!!

Happy trails,

Panhead Pete

PS, Monday I am going to try to get to the county Sheriff's to apply for my CPL.

Public Right to Carry?What are your feelings as Police/Ex-Police on the public right to carry?Good

Any other viewpoint is elitist and should be cause to have the office/badge taken. If I have cause to fear the public I was sworn (retired in 2004) to protect and serve, I've probably been a little too heavy handed in my dealings with J.Q. Public. I carry, sometimes... and not because of fear, but, rather I still feel the responsibility when I go into town... I live in the same area I patrolled. All my neighbors know me as the "ex-Deputy", but if there's any animosity... I don't feel it. And, while I busted a few heads in my day... I came VERY close to my training officer's admonishment... "ALWAYS have your contact end with the subject thanking you." It works, and ain't near as hard as you might think.

My take on an old saw:When the people fear their government (you're a representative of that gov't) you have tyranny; when the gov't fears (read "respects") the people, you have freedom.

I completely agree with what Griff said above... There are some few places I don't carry concealed, but by and large I carry most of the time. I carry "retired" ID and keep a current CC license, even though I can still carry legally without having one. When I retired the chief told me that he knew I would never be able to walk away from anybody needing help and he is right. I knid of look at it as if I carry a little pocket of safety around me no matter where I go. Makes me feel better at least.

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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains...and the women come out to cut up what remains; Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains. And go to your God like a Soldier.

Unless, of coarse your at a CAS event. In which case you can still carry, but your firearm must be empty.

Which has nothing to do with the question, and more to do with the rules of the organization or the specific range. ALL of our local competition events are on a "cold range".

I'm a "civilian" now, having retired a number of years ago, and lucky enough to be able to carry on HR218. Other than that, the people have a right to defend themselves and their family. What's the question?

Which has nothing to do with the question, and more to do with the rules of the organization or the specific range. ALL of our local competition events are on a "cold range".

I'm a "civilian" now, having retired a number of years ago, and lucky enough to be able to carry on HR218. Other than that, the people have a right to defend themselves and their family. What's the question?

The question was... What are your feelings on the public right to carry? I am a strong advocate for the right to carry. I carry when I go into stores, I carry when I go into a restaurant and sit down for a meal. I just happen to think it's a bit odd, that when I go to a gun range, to engage in a shooting competition, the first thing I am required to do, in the name of "safety" is to disarm!

So the question I am asking is...What does it do to public perception when people find out that shooting organizations such as SASS consider it "unsafe" to walk around a gun range, or sit around the clubhouse, with a loaded gun in your holster?

I do acknowledge the right of any shooting organization or specific range to make there own rules and set there own agenda. I will also assert my right to challenge them to consider being stronger advocates for our God given rights, to self defense, as spelled out in the 2nd amendment!

The question was... What are your feelings on the public right to carry? I am a strong advocate for the right to carry. I carry when I go into stores, I carry when I go into a restaurant and sit down for a meal. I just happen to think it's a bit odd, that when I go to a gun range, to engage in a shooting competition, the first thing I am required to do, in the name of "safety" is to disarm!

So the question I am asking is...What does it do to public perception when people find out that shooting organizations such as SASS consider it "unsafe" to walk around a gun range, or sit around the clubhouse, with a loaded gun in your holster?

I do acknowledge the right of any shooting organization or specific range to make there own rules and set there own agenda. I will also assert my right to challenge them to consider being stronger advocates for our God given rights, to self defense, as spelled out in the 2nd amendment!

Asked and answered. I carry all the time. I believe that everyone that can, should.

As for shooting competitions, I have no issue how they run their "safety". There are other considerations when gathering a number of people and loaded guns. Not everyone is a safe handling them as they should be, we know that. I think of it as back in the Old West when you had to leave your rig at the Marshal's/Sheriff's office before you enjoy the hospitality of the town.

Asked and answered. I carry all the time. I believe that everyone that can, should.

As for shooting competitions, I have no issue how they run their "safety". There are other considerations when gathering a number of people and loaded guns. Not everyone is a safe handling them as they should be, we know that. I think of it as back in the Old West when you had to leave your rig at the Marshal's/Sheriff's office before you enjoy the hospitality of the town.

Understood, do you not think the same arguments are a valid argument against public carry in general?