Washington Potheads Could Get DUIs Even When 'Sober'http://www.businessinsider.com/marijuana-and-driving-in-washington-2012-12/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:17:44 -0400Josh Crankhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c88587ecad04161600001eBob William KnightWed, 12 Dec 2012 08:24:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c88587ecad04161600001e
goog answerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c87b7469bedd6a5e000018GustavoWed, 12 Dec 2012 07:41:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c87b7469bedd6a5e000018
On the contrary my friend. I am for having a set limit for impairment but there has to be a better way to test it than just by sticking people to draw blood tests, that is just a waste of time and money and it doesn't really say whether the person was impaired at the time they were actually driving because the blood test is administered after the fact and not at the scene. If there was some new technology that would be utilized as a breathalyzer to test for T.H.C. then I would be more on board.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c79a3decad04695b00000bJay JangleTue, 11 Dec 2012 15:40:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c79a3decad04695b00000b
This article wreaks of the same propaganda spewed forth by the NO on I-502 group. Arthur West is a clown and has been tooting his horn for a long time, bringing little more to the table than a strange, devious grin. Steinborn is little better, albeit much more professional.
News flash adults: save your smoking for off time! If you can't drive safely enough to be ignored by the police, you should stay at home.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c798a36bb3f78e42000046Bob William KnightTue, 11 Dec 2012 15:33:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c798a36bb3f78e42000046
sounds like you bought in to the foolish idea of lettin cops stick needles into people to see if they got any amount of thc. the common sense is the police can tell if you are f$%ked up with their regular tests. some jackass sugested this blood test idea just to get the law passed. now its gotta be majorlly tweaked just sayinhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c796cb69beddb432000010Bob William KnightTue, 11 Dec 2012 15:25:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c796cb69beddb432000010
id tell em to shove ithttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c792f4eab8ea5b5f000001Eric HallTue, 11 Dec 2012 15:09:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c792f4eab8ea5b5f000001
I have great concern regarding how to measure impairment. I would hate to see the whole law go off the books because of this however. I hope we can somehow tweak it rather that throw the baby out with the bath water.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77e0ceab8ea572e000007TobbyTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:40:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77e0ceab8ea572e000007
OK, before the constitutional hysteria takes hold, keep in mind that a cop must have probable cause to detain you for testing. In short, you really need to be driving like an idiot to get pulled over, arrested and taken in for a blood test. Defense attorneys will have a field day with this.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77d41ecad04a626000002sports docTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:36:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77d41ecad04a626000002
sorry about that. maybe i Should be watching more Fox news.LOLhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77d046bb3f7d30d000039jasnoTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:35:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77d046bb3f7d30d000039
DC?! LOL, we're talking about the other Washington!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77bf3eab8ea642600001asports docTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:31:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77bf3eab8ea642600001a
they can smoke pot now and lose their jobs (depending on the employers policy). The question is will employers in DC and Colorado be able to maintain a no marijuana policy if its legal for recreational use. Don't watch Fox propoganda/"news". just using some common sense.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77a346bb3f7d30600000ctuolieTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:23:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77a346bb3f7d30600000c
What a bunch of cry babieshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c778ab6bb3f7b706000006johnxyzwTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:17:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c778ab6bb3f7b706000006
I agree with the principle that the test should be fact-based, relying on real-world effects of intoxication rather than trying to equate marijuana directly with alcohol. However I can attest that it is certainly possible to be too f**ked up to drive without crashing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77865eab8ea601e000010slickteeTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:16:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77865eab8ea601e000010
When Im baked and driving, im the safest driver on the road. I may forget where I'm going but I get there safe.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c776f6ecad043015000012jasnoTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:09:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c776f6ecad043015000012
I thought urine tests are used by employers to determine if you are a user.
As for being worried about professionals being high, well, they can get high now. You think some law about carrying a single ounce is the one thing keeping your heart surgeon off the bong? Seriously, turn off Fox news, go outside for a walk and calm down.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c776daeab8ea6a1b000013johnxyzwTue, 11 Dec 2012 13:09:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c776daeab8ea6a1b000013
Maybe there's a more sophisticated test that is possible, combining THC blood levels with the number of THC receptors expressed by cells, or something along those lines. It's certainly possible to be too stoned to drive safely, and there's SOME physiological reason why it happens, so hopefully a test can be developed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c773edeab8ea6a17000009pat craigTue, 11 Dec 2012 12:57:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c773edeab8ea6a17000009
based on twenty-five yrs of professional driving- besides alcohol - cell phones and 'legal' drugs are a bigger safety concern.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77326eab8ead315000006drummerboi26Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:53:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c77326eab8ead315000006
this will hash themselves out over time.. (no pun intended) seriously though... as the tax revenues start rolling in... and things get better on the state to state level... other states will get on board... nothing will change except the state gets their cut...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c771ceecad042f0c00000dpat craigTue, 11 Dec 2012 12:47:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c771ceecad042f0c00000d
are we all supposed to just agree with the notion that cannabis impairs drivers? Wheres the evidence? how many studies? How were they conducted? Wheres the carnage on the highways when you eliminate alcohol? How many people routinely drive after recent tokes? are we supposed to check our brains at the door before we 'discuss' these issues? back in 1974 or so the U.S. drug warriors tried to show that cannabis caused cancer....whoops, THC shrunk (shrank?) tumors and they proceeded to cover up the results. How many people suffered do to tumor type cancers that could have been helped? Since the 1930,s the USA's relationship with the cannabis plant is UNNATURAL....Freedom has nothing to fear from the truth (about this plant) the dumbing down continues thanks to people who know better continuing to perpetuate stupid stereotypes. Other than children and childish peer pressure, nothing compels a person to smoke weed other than free will. as far as how people obtain it ? same way as last year !http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c771006bb3f79b7300001dJoseTue, 11 Dec 2012 12:44:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c771006bb3f79b7300001d
This also applies to driving under the influence of Prozac, Lipitor, and a host of other mind altering drugs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c7705eeab8ea4a0b000019sports docTue, 11 Dec 2012 12:41:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c7705eeab8ea4a0b000019
Driving under the influence of marijuana is the main problem I have with legalizing marijuana use for recreation. If there are no guidelines for impairment then can a school bus driver, police officer, doctor etc., be tested for marijuana? No matter the levels found in blood test (unless very high) the user can say that they used marijuana when they were not on the job. So do i want to live in a state like this...no. who can have positive levels in there blood at ANY time and who cannot. Would i feel comfortable knowing my physician, bus driver, teacher, day care worker, mechanic were legally smoking pot regularly...no. I also would not like to be a driver on the streets, nor an employer in such a state for a multitude of reasons. If an employer blood tests and the result is positive... well then when did my employee smoke pot? how often? does it affect the workers ability to perform high level tasks?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c76931eab8eab87b000006electedfaceTue, 11 Dec 2012 12:11:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c76931eab8eab87b000006
Estimates show that marijuana is America’s number one cash crop. However, marijuana remains untaxed. This is a new source of income for our nation, an income we desperately need.
Over 500 of the nation’s top economic professors have shared their opinion in supporting the removal of prohibition and imposing the taxation and regulation of marijuana as a way to slow the federal deficit.
Marijuana prohibition is costing America upwards of $20 billion annually. The hemp industry would not only create jobs, it would free up court time and jail space for real criminals among many other benefits. The list could go on.
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What constitutes a heavy user is the most important question. If by heavy user you mean someone who is smoking all day and all night long every day then I'm glad they will get pulled over and arrested because I'm sure no one wants a person who smokes all day long to get behind a wheel and heavy users I would estimate don't go past 10% of all Marijuana users. Recreational users which are the majority of people who indulge in Marijuana have other things to do during the day most of the time and have jobs and careers like most of us and in these type of user the ACTIVE THC content will go below 5 nano-gram mark a few hours after using so there's no concern for the average user to get arrested. Regulation comes with responsibility and as with alcohol there must be a set limit for impairment.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c75c2169bedd931a000011mehoTue, 11 Dec 2012 11:15:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c75c2169bedd931a000011
what about mixing alcohol and pot? a couple of drinks and a hit of pot and you may still be legally sober but f'ed up.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c75b94ecad043161000011mehoTue, 11 Dec 2012 11:13:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c75b94ecad043161000011
they draw blood at the police station now? all police stations have certified blood stations and technicians? really?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c7594369bedde71100000ekramhTue, 11 Dec 2012 11:03:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c7594369bedde71100000e
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Welcome to the real world, maybe the fog of pot on the brain will lift from the view of the road.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c74331ecad041d33000011KrymsunTue, 11 Dec 2012 09:29:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c74331ecad041d33000011
Studies have shown marijuana users are Safer Drivers than either drunk drivers, or sober ones.
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One study, entitled "Medical Marijuana Laws, Traffic Fatalities, and Alcohol Consumption" conducted in November 2011 provides evidence that marijuana is a safer substitute for alcohol when it comes to health and also makes for safer drivers.
Top Ten Reasons Marijuana Users Are Safe Drivers
When you combine all of the main results of these two decades worth of scientific research studies, the following 10 reasons marijuana drivers are safer than drunk drivers comes out like this:
1. Drivers who had been using marijuana were found to drive slower, according to a 1983 study done by U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA). This was seen as a factor in their favor, since drivers who drank alcohol usually drove faster and that is part of the reason they had accidents.
2. Marijuana users were able to drive straight and not have any trouble staying in their own lanes when driving on the highway, according to a NHTSA done in 1993 in the Netherlands. The study determined also that the use of marijuana had very little effect on the person’s overall driving ability.
3. Drivers who had smoked marijuana were shown to be less likely to try to pass other cars and to drive at a consistent speed, according to a University of Adelaide study done in Australia. The study showed no danger unless the drivers had also been drinking alcohol.
4. Drivers high on marijuana were also shown to be less likely to drive in a reckless fashion, according to a study done in 2000 in the UK by the UK Transport Research Lab. The study was done using drivers on driving simulators over a period of a month and was actually undertaken to show that pot was a cause for impairment, but instead it showed the opposite and confirmed that these drivers were actually much safer than some of the other drivers on the road.
5. States that allow the legal use of marijuana for medical reasons are noticing less traffic fatalities; for instance, in Colorado and Montana there has been a nine percent drop in traffic fatalities and a five percent drop in beer sales. The conclusion was that using marijuana actually has helped save lives. Medical marijuana is allowed in 16 states in the U.S.
6. Low doses of marijuana in a person’s system was found by tests in Canada in 2002 to have little effect on a person’s ability to drive a car, and that these drivers were in much fewer car crashes than alcohol drinkers.
7. Most marijuana smokers have fewer crashes because they don’t even drive in the first place and just stay home thus concluded more than one of these tests on pot smoking and driving.
8. Marijuana smokers are thought to be more sober drivers. Traffic information from 13 states where medical marijuana is legal showed that these drivers were actually safer and more careful than many other drivers on the road. These studies were confirmed by the University of Colorado and the Montana State University when they compared a relationship between legal marijuana use and deaths in traffic accidents in those states. The studies done by a group called the Truth About Cars showed that traffic deaths fell nine percent in states with legal use of medical marijuana.
9. Multiple studies showed that marijuana smokers were less likely to be risk takers than those that use alcohol. The studies showed that the marijuana calmed them down and made them actually pay more attention to their abilities. All of these tests and research studies showed that while some people think that marijuana is a major cause of traffic problems, in reality it may make the users even safer when they get behind the wheel.
10. Marijuana smoking drivers were shown to drive at prescribed following distances, which made them less likely to cause or have crashes.
.. stick *that* in your pipe, and smoke it!
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Cannabis use is associated with only marginal increases in traffic accident risk, comparable to anti-histamines and penicillin.
An investigator from Aalborg University and the Institute of Transport Economics in Oslo assessed the risk of road accident associated with drivers’ use of licit and illicit drugs, including amphetamines, analgesics, anti-asthmatics, anti-depressives, anti-histamines, benzodiazepines, cannabis, cocaine, opiates, penicillin and zopiclone (a sleeping pill). His study reviewed data from 66 separate studies evaluating the use of illicit or prescribed drugs on accident risk; the study found that cannabis was associated with minor, but not significantly increased odds of traffic injury (1.06) or fatal accident (1.25). By comparison, opiates (1.44), benzodiazepine tranquillizers (2.30), anti-depressants (1.32), cocaine (2.96), amphetamines (4.46), and the sleeping aid zopiclone (2.60) were all associated with a greater risk of fatal accident than cannabis. Anti-histamines (1.12) and penicillin (1.12) were associated with comparable odds to cannabis.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c742ddeab8eaea24000006KrymsunTue, 11 Dec 2012 09:27:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c742ddeab8eaea24000006
A 2002 review of seven separate crash culpability studies involving 7,934 drivers reported, “Crash culpability studies [which attempt to correlate the responsibility of a driver for an accident to his or her consumption of a drug and the level of drug compound in his or her system] have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes.” [Chesher et al. Cannabis and alcohol in motor vehicle accidents. In: Grotenhermen and Russo (Eds) Cannabis and Cannabinoids: Pharmacology, Toxicology, and Therapeutic Potential. New York: Haworth Press. 2002: 313-323.]
But, unlike with alcohol, the accident risk caused by cannabis, particularly among those who are not acutely intoxicated, appears limited because subjects under its influence are generally aware of their impairment and compensate to some extent, such as by slowing down and by focusing their attention when they know a response will be required. [Allison Smiley. Marijuana: On-Road and Driving Simulator Studies]
This response is the opposite of that exhibited by drivers under the influence of alcohol, who tend to drive in a more risky manner proportional to their intoxication.[United Kingdom's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. The Classification of Cannabis Under the Misuse of Drugs Act of 1971. 2002: See specifically: Chapter 4, Section 4.3.5: "Cannabis differs from alcohol; ... it seems not to increase risk-taking behavior. This may explain why it appears to play a smaller role than alcohol in road traffic accidents."]http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c742a6ecad040431000021KrymsunTue, 11 Dec 2012 09:26:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c742a6ecad040431000021
Is Driving High on Marijuana Safer Than Driving Drunk? [ or driving sober?!! ]
For decades, marijuana advocates have argued that pot has a significantly different effect on driving ability than alcohol. But if you take the word of one auto insurance company, stoned is actually the safest way to drive. 4AutoinsuranceQuote.org is making that case based on years’ worth of scientific studies, including some from the US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration that found motorists under the influence of marijuana tended to drive slower and have accident responsibility rates lower than those of drug-free drivers.
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Not just Liptor, how about any SSRI.
My Aunt seriously hurt someone driving under the influence of SSRIs and the amazing part is that they didn't take her license away afterwards! I complain about this all the time because she'll do it again. SSRIs are dangerous!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c738ca6bb3f79f0800002cHKTue, 11 Dec 2012 08:44:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c738ca6bb3f79f0800002c
I'd feel a lot safer driving with someone who is really high than someone who is really drunk. If you drive around in any city there's probably already a bunch of people high as a kite driving all around you. The point is, is that it happens all the time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c734c6ecad04621b000005JoseTue, 11 Dec 2012 08:27:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50c734c6ecad04621b000005
They should cite drivers for dui who are on statins like Lipitor. My observation is that long term use of Lipitor does severe damage to memory.
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