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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

Video: Master pan Density subcommitee, Lakewood, NJ

First amendment activistMinutes Submitted by anon. TY.0:01- Justin Flancbaum 1:30-Moshe Lankry introduces all attendees; Noreen Gil, Larry Simons, Hershel Hershkowitz, Adam Pfeffer, Nechama Morgan, Moshe Liberman and Justin Flancbaum4:49 - Justin Flancbaum says Albert and Spruce area has less housing density then anticipated by the township.6:45 – Moshe Lankry suggest in high density areas bus cutting should be installed so not to interfere with traffic. Also, col-de-sacs causes more traffic than regular roads. 11:25 - Noreen Gil says many development residents are outraged at the high density housing. 12:54- Larry Simons says all the developers are thinking about is $.Moshe Lankry says density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 15:30- Nechama Morgan says currently on route 9 you cannot build close to the road so when the day will come the state can have the ability to expand route 9 which will solve the traffic problem in the area. 16:10 – Moshe Lankry repeats his claim that density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 17:15- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. 20:43- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. Says people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. 22:00- Nechama Morgan says the township demands the developers pay for traffic lights and pay for widening roads and putting turning lanes. 24:10- Larry mentions the golf course was sold and high density houses will be built. Members mention other new projects. 27:58 – Moshe lankry mentions that township collects from developers only direst impact fees. 28:50 – Moshe Liberman says county should expand county line and Kennedy34:58- Moshe Lankry mentions many developments his drivers refuse to enter36:00- member opposes the high density building. Other members justify it by saying that people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. Opposing member says the Lakewood population agrees with him. Lankry pushes back. 40:38 – member says it’s a waste of time to speak up at planning board. Other members push back. 43:40 – members speak against building shuls with no limitations. Lankry and Flancbaum push back. 46:40 – public attendee speaks up. Says that Flancbaum is from the good guys. 48:20- Adam Pfeffer Esq. demands members do not push for a freeze on high density building. Lankry agrees. 51:40 – speak about building high-rises

So the premise of this committee is that it's totally fine if Lakewood is much further congested with high density.

They readily admit that people can come to planning and zoning board meetings and they assure that they'll take the public's comments into account. Well, the time has come for people to start coming to these meetings and speaking up against high density applications!

Next thing that needs to change is the ordinance that a shul or school can open up in any house in Lakewood. Obviously communities need shuls (and schools need to be built somewhere) but there must be some way for an application to be denied if a neighborhood doesn't want it.

The current township law allows anyone to buy the house next door to you and turn it into a shul or school and there's NOTHING you can do about it....

Since the primary purpose of this ordinance is to HELP people have a shul nearby, if people in the neighborhood don't want it they should have some say....

0:01- Justin Flancbaum 1:30-Moshe Lankry introduces all attendees; Noreen Gil, Larry Simons, Hershel Hershkowitz, Adam Pfeffer, Nechama Morgan, Moshe Liberman and Justin Flancbaum4:49 - Justin Flancbaum says Albert and Spruce area has less housing density then anticipated by the township.6:45 – Moshe Lankry suggest in high density areas bus cutting should be installed so not to interfere with traffic. Also, col-de-sacs causes more traffic than regular roads. 11:25 - Noreen Gil says many development residents are outraged at the high density housing. 12:54- Larry Simons says all the developers are thinking about is $.Moshe Lankry says density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 15:30- Nechama Morgan says currently on route 9 you cannot build close to the road so when the day will come the state can have the ability to expand route 9 which will solve the traffic problem in the area. 16:10 – Moshe Lankry repeats his claim that density is not the problem, we just need better roads. 17:15- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. 20:43- Moshe Lankry pushing for density housing. Says people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. 22:00- Nechama Morgan says the township demands the developers pay for traffic lights and pay for widening roads and putting turning lanes. 24:10- Larry mentions the golf course was sold and high density houses will be built. Members mention other new projects. 27:58 – Moshe lankry mentions that township collects from developers only direst impact fees. 28:50 – Moshe Liberman says county should expand county line and Kennedy34:58- Moshe Lankry mentions many developments his drivers refuse to enter36:00- member opposes the high density building. Other members justify it by saying that people want to live in Lakewood only, therefore we should build more. Opposing member says the Lakewood population agrees with him. Lankry pushes back. 40:38 – member says it’s a waste of time to speak up at planning board. Other members push back. 43:40 – members speak against building shuls with no limitations. Lankry and Flancbaum push back. 46:40 – public attendee speaks up. Says that Flancbaum is from the good guys. 48:20- Adam Pfeffer Esq. demands members do not push for a freeze on high density building. Lankry agrees. 51:40 – speak about building high-rises

I happened to be in the Township building when the meeting started. I just wanted to hear what the discussion was about. I was bored hearing them talk about housing density and where it is feasible to build more housing in Lakewood. I was not in the mood to scream like a madman again. I also cant stand being looked down at by people that have obvious conflicts of interest, for stating the obvious.

Imagine a playroom filled with toys covering the floor. There is almost no room to move.Your child asks you for a new large Lego set. You explain to him calmly that there is no more room in the playroom. Perhaps he wants to give away some of his other toys first to make room. The child is adamant, he wants more toys. You send him to his room. If I told these people that we just have to stop building developments and Rezone areas for industrial/ commercial development or (god forbid)open space,or told them If we purchased land from developers for millions of dollars to prevent projects, we would actually save taxpayer money, they would call me a fool. After all ,it does seem overtly simple. Just stop building? is that a realistic solution?

The Lakewood Golf course on County line is in negotiations to be sold. The price is astronomically high. Any development that will be built there would need to be high density in order to be economically feasible. We need to get a moratorium in place BEFORE someone buys the land for 100 million dollars. We need to establish a moratorium BEFORE 4000 duplexes are built, Before another strip mall with another market is in place to take away customers from markets down the road because you cant move in the traffic anymore. We have reached the tipping point. There really is no more need for discussions.

I am sure you will be happy to know that that one of the members of the committee mentioned in a different meeting, that the plan is for all the commercial properties on Prospect to become residential.

seems like there is an allergic reaction to common sense, causing these people to do the exact opposite

Mr First Amndment dudeKeep posting These meetings are so important It's sick that the top 2% only care about themselves and they tell the rest of lakewood to go #%**^ yourself Meanwhile the people are so stupid and follow like sheep to the slaughter Why should anyone be talking about high density Lakewood is turning into a nightmare place to live

In response to a members objection, a committee member makes the claim that it is the townships responsibility to be accommodate people who are not residents of Lakewood, to insure they have housing.

It seems like the whole concept of representative democracy is lost on him. elected officials, and their appointees, have a duty to represent the interests of the people who elected them.

I know people jokingly refer to Lakewood as Ir Hakodesh, but Lakewood is not the State of Israel, there is no "right of return"

And if some mythical right of return exists, at what point does the viability of the town come into play, are they going to start confiscating homes with eminent domain to build skyscrapers to accommodate half a million people?

Apparently a board member feels that certain areas of the town should be for pedestrian use only, what a wonderful idea, we can close all the streets, think of how many more housing units we can add to Lakewood.

Some of these people are the ones buying up homes in good neighborhoods and renting them out to lowlifes. It's because of one of these 'askanim' that I have drug deals happening in front of my house on a regular basis. Your Yom Ha Din will come.

Minimum lot requirement is just that, a minimum. Not a starting point. If some of the lots in Albert area are not as dense as the maximum allows doesn't mean that the entire character of the neighborhood must be changed. So let's ask the question Loyd and clear, Who is Flancbaum working for? What properties does he have a silent interest in? There are many investors holding properties on Albert and east spruce and they are pushing very hard behind the scenes to get it rezoned r 12 and to stuff the with duplexs.

Did you hear a few nights ago at the planning board when an investor/owner/frontman called a homeowner selfish for not laying down and letting an investor destroy his neighborhood (hearthstone). Absolute disgusting.

Ok let's speak Englishlisten here real estate people You are making life in lakewood a living hell to benefit your own pockets When more people comeMore traffic comesMore problems getting kids in schoolMore busing issues More competition and smaller stores suffer More crowded nightmarish stores More sick peopleMore social illsAnd a host of things happen when a twin becomes overpopulated Why can't we be sensibleWhy can't we care about yennaThe little guy The guy who doesn't have his hand in the cookie jarThe prices keep going up because of these uncaring developers Sure they drop a drop of charity here and there to satisfy their guilt But they've ruined things for many people