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Posted by gmf1369 View Post
Thought Stat was a straight up 5 year deal and Andrea had 2 yrs including this year... Would be interesting how or if Knicks management will talk either or both into opting out......

Having Stat & Barg as frontline scorers give the Knicks a bigman scoring-edge.
Both players are satisfied playing 30 minutes a game.
Adding K-Mart, Tyler, and MWP into the frontline rotation gives the Knicks a huge frontline bigmen edge of offense/defense for two seasons to build a win win chemistry.
Notice I did not include Melo/Tyson in the rotation bc they are not needed on the Knicks .. get rid of them.

Originally Posted by gmf1369

my question was really about their contracts, after 2014 it doesn't matter both will likely be gone... another season with broken fire extinguishers is not going to hurt this broken franchise...

There never wouldve been any broken fire extinguisher incident on the Knicks if ball-hogger Melo/JR wouldve kept their no-defensive skills, and no-fastbreak talent on the Denver Nuggets.
Knicks Fans only worry about players expensive contracts bc of a $21M ISO-Melo demanding $30M per for the future.
How many elite players in the NBA want to play a 48 minute isolation-offense system with ball-hogger Melo/JR?
All the Knicks injury-prone players in the past 3 seasons answer that question. How many Knicks players Bowed-Out of playing in the playoff games the past 3 seasons?
u can start with Amare, Billups, Lin, Shump, Rasheed, K.Thomas, Camby, Kidd, Tyson, and ..........

So as Knicks new GM for the 2014-15 season, we can not afford to have Carmelo Anthony on the Knicks giving the organization altermatum at the start of a season. First priority !!!

Im sorry Dolan, but Carmelo Anthony was another one of ur wrong decision for the Knicks team...

If 'Melo stays or if 'Melo goes... Best strategy for the Knicks is to STINK in 2014. Get the best draft pick possible.

The Knicks have no pick in 2014 or 2016. In other words, the best player our beloved Knicks can draft in next 3 years comes next summer.

THjr, Tyler, Murry, & whatever young asset we can find sometime from now until then (2014-2015), along with a top lottery pick in 2015, PLUS Melo AND 35-40 million in cap space to spend... This is how Knicks will get out of this mess; and, if 'Melo walks... Same thing, but no 'Melo and 50-55 million to spend.

The worst thing for our Knicks is to marginally improve, in a futile attempt to compete next season?

Instead, they would be better served trading Chandler's & Barg's expiring contracts... This should net us something in return: a draft pick this year (possibly), a young asset we could polish and groom, or a pile of expiring trash that alleviates our 2015 payroll of Felton-Smith's commitments.If I couldn't rid myself of Smith, I would then sit JR down and tell him he is being given his final chance... NOBODY in NBA wants him; so He either matures and plays his part & leave sup to his enormous potential, or I'll cut him. NO more tweeting, off-the-cuff remarks, no more partying. Just focus on basketball. If he does, he'll hoist a trophy come June, 2016 and everything he's done in the past will be forgiven.

I would then start Murry, Shump, THjr, Melo and Tyler... Give the 4-young horses all the experience they can get in 2014. This will pay dividends come 2015. I would (hopefully) stink... see improvement on the kids and get a top pick. I would have enough to decide if I keep Murry, Shump or Tyler.

Melo, kids who have gained valuable experience, plus a lottery pick... plus 2 All-Star max-caliber free agents, along with a vet piece or two... This is how we compete to win the Eastern Conf in 2015 (by then, Wade is trash) and get to the NBA Finals.

Who will stand in our way?

Will 'Melo be willing to wait another year?

OH, and this too:

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Good post. I've wanted the young guys to be getting a lot of minutes this season. I don't see how Felton starting and closing out games is benefiting the team in any way. I don't see how J.R. gets a free pass on almost every bad thing he does. I could go on and on.

Murry and Tyler has had good games, and Woodson is either a biased bafoon, or he's a scared bafoon (using his veterans only against some Playoff teams such as the Bulls today as if that's been working), or both. Murry had a solid games against the Warriors on both ends of the court, yet he didn't play him until he gave up. The Knicks don't have picks this year, but they have some young talent, they need to use it.

The Knicks have been a “buy” rather than a “build” mode forwell over a decade. Thus our penchant for trading first round picks for the likes of Curry and Bargnani. We gave up picks for Melo but he is hardly a Curry or Bargnani. I believe that Melohas given us more than we could have expected with respect to individualperformance. But we have nobody to helphim.

As one of the posters has noted several times, perhaps we should “free” Carmelo. In the first place, we might have to. Even with Melo, we have nothing goingforward. There are no draft picks in 2014 or 2016. We are over the cap next year with or without Melo. Chicago is looking more and more like a destination for Melo. He could win there and Thibs is likely to mold him into the defensive player his athleticism allows. With an engaged Melo, a healthy Rose, Noah and Butler, Chicago would be right up there with Miami and Indiana.Losing Melo will force us into a build mode even though, given our draft positions, the build mode will be difficult. Chicago will have room for Melo by letting Boozer go through an amnesty. It would not be unreasonable for Melo to sign with Chicago, even though he could get a better contract with the Knicks. Let’s do a sign and trade. We get Boozer with one year remaining on his contract, perhaps Snell and some draft picks. I do not think Chicago would be willing to give up Butler. And I do not think Chicago will throw in Thibs.We will, of course, be in tanking mode without even doing it on purpose. We should get a real goodpick in 2015.Of course, we would be a much better team with Melo on anextended contract, but I do not believe we can give him enough help even with somemoney to spend for free agents in 2015, to be anything other than a mid-level team.

Chicago will have room for Melo by letting Boozer go through an amnesty. It would not be unreasonable for Melo to sign with Chicago, even though he could get a better contract with the Knicks. Let’s do a sign and trade. We get Boozer with one year remaining on his contract, perhaps Snell and some draft picks. I do not think Chicago would be willing to give up Butler. ..

maybe i'm missing something... but why would the bulls..or anyone do a sign and trade for melo??? ... when he opt's out u can sign him for less $$$/years, and u give up nothing...

yes its a gamble for the bulls, but melo's only other option is resigning with the knicks for more $$$/yrs... and being stuck on a very sucky team with no chance to get a ring...

gauge the player... what does he want more... $30m, or that ring... if it was me, i'd take the $$$.... u can get quite a nice ring for less then 30m , and have some coin leftover...

If Chicago amnesties Boozer, they still have to pay him. If thy do not amnesty Boozer they do not have enough for Melo. Boozer's contract for next year is $16.3M. They will have to drop a little more off the cap to sign Melo. Melo can get more if there is a sign and trade. Remember we overpaid for Melo under essentially the same circumstances.

Another (in a long list of blows) Walsh landed on our Knicks... Man, that GM was worse than IT.

You are way off base Mafra if you think Donnie Walsh set back the franchise. Walsh is one of the architects of the current Pacers (him and his proteges). They are a small market team that can compete with anyone and may get that elusive championship. They are smart enough to draft Roy Hibbert and be patient with him something the Knicks could never do. D'Antoni's a great coach and a great hire. In addition, he was the only coach at the time for the Knicks since only a big name would pass muster with Dolan and stand up to all the scrutiny. If you recall Mark Jackson was also floated as a possible coach. Deep down, I think Walsh did Jackson, and probably Thibs as well, a favor by not making NY their first coaching gig. Dolan would have ruined them for life. Can't argue that Mark Jackson and Thibs have both grown up in easier places to coach than NY. This franchise is doomed under Dolan. No good man should ever come here as long as he remains at the helm. And this is coming from a 45 year Knick fan. Too too bad.

If Chicago amnesties Boozer, they still have to pay him. If thy do not amnesty Boozer they do not have enough for Melo. Boozer's contract for next year is $16.3M. They will have to drop a little more off the cap to sign Melo. Melo can get more if there is a sign and trade. Remember we overpaid for Melo under essentially the same circumstances.

yes they have to pay him, but I think that his salary is off the books... correct me if I am wrong (has happened 1-2 million times).. their payroll next year is 63m, booz gets 16.8, so if he is gone, their payroll is 46m (more/less)... should be enough cabbage there to sign melo... "if' they deem him to be the missing link..

they got to figure out if adding melo to a healthy (??) rose , noah, butler...etc will be enough to get them to the top of the mountain... with LeBron back to being the king, and indy looking pretty good, not so sure if the addition of melo helps the bulls enough...

boozer is not a bad player.. he was a 2nd tier free agent signing... a consolation prize if u will, but has an 'ok' off game, and plays some "D", rebounds... ie a nice complimentary player

This off season fix, won't kill the bank but will leave an opening to finish off a move maybe for Love or someone in 2015:

Regardless if we trade or void Felton's contract, after this season really doesn't hinder us one way or the other so lets say we trade him...

Trade Felton, Chandler to Lakers for draft pick (2015 pick) - really don't see them forfeiting a 1st Rd, so a 2nd Rd is better than nothing...

Trade Prigioni, J.R. Smith & Bargnani to Miami especially if LeBron opts out, more than likely Bosh will stand pat with Wade and they could be enticed for a (2015 pick) taking on a backup PG Pass First, a decent 6th Man w/ good locker room stability can control this nutcase and Bargnani in contract year who is Restricted & still has enough talent to be a role player... Same like the Lakers, acquiring a 2nd Rd pick to unload these contracts should be the play...

Because we are stuck with Amare Stoudemire and seems he has been some what affective this season, placing him as the team's 6th Man for next season limiting his role with the team should be enough for all parties to save face...

Qualifying Offers to Toure Murry & Jeremy Tyler will allow the Knicks to retain two young premier prospects...

Will also likely be able to re-sign Earl Clark, Kenyon Martin and/or Shannon Brown on 1 year deals...

Around the league there should be a few players waived for various reasons, which the Knicks could add as bench/prospect to the roster...

By making these few moves with little return will open up the cap just enough for the Knicks to target E. Bledsoe or Kyle Lowery in free agency, and possibly a couple of other potential players like Lance Stephenson and/or Andray Blatche to 4 year deals (3yr + P.O.)...

Having a back court of Eric Bledsoe or Kyle Lowery, Toure Murry, Iman Shumpert, & Tim Hardaway Jr. is not that bad actually has promise...

Having a front court of Jeremy Tyler, Amare Stoudemire doesn't scare no one but adding in Blatche, Hawes, Gortat and/or possibly a Drew Gooden could suffice until 2015 free agency when the team could then make a big splash in free agency...

But these few moves should this year alone could reinvigorate Carmelo Anthony to re-sign with the team(4 yr $89M + P.O.)... I know this forum is split on Melo as a Knick but he has busted his tail game in game out for the Knicks but without a complimentary team around him he can only do so much...

There is no real what if trade thread and this sh*t doesn't deserve its own thread anyway....

This dude Westbrook got injured again. If I'm the Knicks I offer the thunder a combination of Tyson and Hardaway for Russell Westbrook.

The thunder take it because they get the center they always wanted (they stayed trying to get chandler) and a young guy in Thjr who they could maybe mold into an off the bench scorer they use to have in Harden. They also do the move because even if they keep chandler they would have enough money off the books in 2015 to try and sign a elite passer like rondo who is a UFA in 2015. That team is superior to the team they have right now.

Why the Knicks do it is Westbrook would be the perfect pg to run the triangle and his injuries aren't self inflicted.... People keep running into him. He would be the second scorer Phil needs for the triangle, Melo won't intimidate him and unlike KD, Russell won't intimidate Melo. Next it still should leave enough room to give a Marc gasol the max and just enough to try to steal one of the lebron stoppers who will be RFA that year is kwahi Leonard or butler on the bulls.

So both teams by 2015 would look like

Rondo
Hardaway
Durant
Ibaka
Tyson

This works for the thunder because Rondo is maybe 1 of the few pgs whose ability to distribute would cover for coach brooks offensive ineptitudes. Rondo would get the rest of his team mates easy enough assist that teams would have to play Durant 1 on 1 and Durant wouldn't have to worry about feeling insecure when the pg has the ball. Rondo would willingly feed him ànd I could see them making it into the wcf easy with that lineup. In addition to that if they think the Knicks are a strong contender to get Marc Gasol away from the grizzlies they should jump at the chance to help get him away from that team. Lastly they are better player developers than the Knicks, I think they could make hardaway into a reliable second option at the same time they would have a better distributor in rondo. Also ibaka and Chandler would be a nightmare defensively in the paint for 90% of the teams in the league. Both are mobile, both can come out of the paint and defend, both would alter shots in the paint and both would be able to do PnR with rondo effectively.

And as for the Knicks

Westbrook
Shump
Kwahi (possibly butler)
Melo
Marc gasol

This works for the Knicks because I can't think of a better lineup of guys to run the triangle in today's game. All the guards are lanky and can score, it would have two iso players is Melo and Westbrook, 2 post players in Melo and Gasol, and 4 superior defenders in Westbrook, shump, kwahi (or butler) and gasol. That team is built to give the Heat and the pacers trouble defensively and could also make a really good run in the ECF that year. Russell could focus on the triangle and it would benefit his game more since he would be asked to score more (that is his specialty) and distribute less since the Trialgle system carries a lot of that weight. Lastly that whole lineup rebounds well for their position. Making the Knicks a very tough out come playoff time.

Both teams through that trade would be set up great to draw a max FA in 2015 and both teams would be vastly superior than they are currently made up if they land that max FA they need (a center for the Knicks a pg for the thunder). Both teams would be good enough to go to the finals in 2015.

I know some people would say the thunder could just add Tyson in 2015 but Russell is a problem on that team. People excuse it because he is "the second scoring option" but psychology he throws Durant for a loop. The thunder should be smart enough to know they got to get out the west between now and 2016 or Durant will likely leave and in a lot of ways Russell while being a great player is way to free in their system and hindering Durant's growth.

On the Knicks I can't see westbrook being anywhere as free to go ham in a game because it would clearly hurt the team, he seems to want to win more than anything and playing in the triangle would be the best route for it on that team. Also it wouldn't require him to PnR as much anymore hopefully preserving his knees.