Also, if the 8350's turbo speed is indeed 4.2GHz, they're still having trouble ramping clock speed.

This is the part of their design that gets me. By all accounts the numerous P4 designs were all about the clock (such as deep staged pipeline) and it didn't work. Clock speed of chips actually regressed for years after the P4. What was AMD thinking? Surely they didn't believe that the engineering teams at Intel were idiots?

If do they're certainly paying for the lack of hubris now. In this context Dirks firing has an added reason. He too should have known better.

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Looks like a nice little bump, but like everyone else, I wish the news was bigger. Would an FX-6100 be a decent upgrade over a Phenom II X3 720? My workload's less gaming-centric and more skewed toward scientific computing and video encoding.

Also, if the 8350's turbo speed is indeed 4.2GHz, they're still having trouble ramping clock speed.

This is the part of their design that gets me. By all accounts the numerous P4 designs were all about the clock (such as deep staged pipeline) and it didn't work. Clock speed of chips actually regressed for years after the P4. What was AMD thinking? Surely they didn't believe that the engineering teams at Intel were idiots? If do they're certainly paying for the lack of hubris now. In this context Dirks firing has an added reason. He too should have known better.

I have a theory: My guess is that AMD was able to achieve some very fast transistor switching and at low power in the laboratory. They took the gamble that they could make a chip that worked with those transistors. They lost that gamble. The problem probably is with the chip design and not with the switching speed.

Looks like a nice little bump, but like everyone else, I wish the news was bigger. Would an FX-6100 be a decent upgrade over a Phenom II X3 720? My workload's less gaming-centric and more skewed toward scientific computing and video encoding.

For scientific computing, it can provide a healthy boost in many cases. For example, if your code is heavily using the BLAS or LAPACK type libraries for linear algebra, and you use a vendor neutral library, then you should get almost 2x the performance.

This is a hugh come back, if you see how pathetic bulldozer was against sandybridge, let alone ivybridge. AMD's FX "Vishera is further going to improve on A10-5800K, so things are looking good for AMD CPU department as far as gaming goes.

This is a hugh come back, if you see how pathetic bulldozer was against sandybridge, let alone ivybridge. AMD's FX "Vishera is further going to improve on A10-5800K, so things are looking good for AMD CPU department as far as gaming goes.

Plus it's compared to a i5 3470....it's far from being up there with the best:

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This is a hugh come back, if you see how pathetic bulldozer was against sandybridge, let alone ivybridge. AMD's FX "Vishera is further going to improve on A10-5800K, so things are looking good for AMD CPU department as far as gaming goes.

This is a hugh come back, if you see how pathetic bulldozer was against sandybridge, let alone ivybridge. AMD's FX "Vishera is further going to improve on A10-5800K, so things are looking good for AMD CPU department as far as gaming goes.

Plus it's compared to a i5 3470....it's far from being up there with the best:

You have to take note that A10 price is going to be in line with i3 series, this thing is keeping up with i5 series is actually very good, if you remember how slow Bulldozer chips were compare to sandybridge.