hardinparamedic:rjakobi: I hope part of the education program includes the fact that Matther Shepard's participation in a meth ring probably factored more into his death than, you know, him being swishy.

LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, FOLKS!

"Fact"? You mean one right-winged author's claims?

the meth story was published in the gddm advocate. the play has become a business, like holiday on ice. meanwhile the US still does business with the saudi vermin.

hardinparamedic:Jimenez's book is based on shoddy journalism, slander, and playing on right-wing fears of a "Gay Agenda".

Let's say his book is 100% accurate. So what? It's not like this is the only hate crime against gays ever (and it is still a brutal murder).

And what if the play were 100% fiction? Does that excuse yelling homophobic slurs and harassing the actors? Wouldn't it be, at minimum, incredibly rude for an audience to yell misogynistic slurs while watching A Doll's House?

kukukupo:I think the bigger crime here is - why is anyone watching that play? It sounds god-awful. Were they forced to attend? I can't imagine a college athlete willingly attending a play like that.

Required for a class they were taking. Which makes it even worse. All they had to do was shutup and sit there and they get a credit. How you fark that up I don't understand. Explains why football players have such a hard time graduating though.

I'd be curious to see how they'd track any follow-up to this story. I feel bad because there are a lot of students who were just in the audience who now have to go to an extra education meeting and did nothing wrong so much as went to the same performance as the team did. I also wonder if all 20 of these players will ever make it to the education thing once this story gets past the Alabama game analysis.

AliceBToklasLives:Let's say his book is 100% accurate. So what? It's not like this is the only hate crime against gays ever (and it is still a brutal murder).

And what if the play were 100% fiction? Does that excuse yelling homophobic slurs and harassing the actors? Wouldn't it be, at minimum, incredibly rude for an audience to yell misogynistic slurs while watching A Doll's House?

Where are you even getting this from? I make a post debunking one of the most shameful libels of a hate crime victim in recent history, and I'm going to assume you're attacking me for supporting something I don't?

hardinparamedic:AliceBToklasLives: Let's say his book is 100% accurate. So what? It's not like this is the only hate crime against gays ever (and it is still a brutal murder).

And what if the play were 100% fiction? Does that excuse yelling homophobic slurs and harassing the actors? Wouldn't it be, at minimum, incredibly rude for an audience to yell misogynistic slurs while watching A Doll's House?

Where are you even getting this from? I make a post debunking one of the most shameful libels of a hate crime victim in recent history, and I'm going to assume you're attacking me for supporting something I don't?

I was expanding on what you said. Not at all an attack - 100% agree with you.

Marcus Aurelius:"It is clear that some students badly misrepresented the culture of this university," they said in their statement

And based on your response, I'd say they represented your culture quite nicely.

And we're done. Education should be part of the punishment - without the punitive measure, this is a slap on the wrist.

I wonder what they would've done had they, for example, yelled "whore" and "slut" during a feminist play, or various ethnic slurs during an African-American play? Would she have just said, "well, we can't figure out who did it, and the students clammed up, so I guess we'll just recommend a 'dialogue'."

AliceBToklasLives:hardinparamedic: AliceBToklasLives: Let's say his book is 100% accurate. So what? It's not like this is the only hate crime against gays ever (and it is still a brutal murder).

And what if the play were 100% fiction? Does that excuse yelling homophobic slurs and harassing the actors? Wouldn't it be, at minimum, incredibly rude for an audience to yell misogynistic slurs while watching A Doll's House?

Where are you even getting this from? I make a post debunking one of the most shameful libels of a hate crime victim in recent history, and I'm going to assume you're attacking me for supporting something I don't?

I was expanding on what you said. Not at all an attack - 100% agree with you.

FTA "Gibbons added that he felt "an incredible amount of judgment and laughter" while delivering a monologue in the play in which his character comes out as gay,"

Now I attended Ole Miss a number of years ago, so I might be a little prejudiced. But isn't a gibbons a monkey? Why would you put a monkey in a play about a homosexual?Are you ready? Hell yes. Damn right.

Descartes:Just because he was killed in a lover's spat by his boyfriend over drug deals gone bad, is no reason to value his life any less than that of a person who wasn't a drug dealer.

Except for the fact that this has been a conspiracy theory promoted by people since the time of his death with no evidence of his involvement in anything involving drugs at the time of his death being found by either the Feds or the locals, and the Jiminez book which gives new light to the claim references far too many "anonymous sources" to be credible in the least.

His own killer has stated repeatedly that this had nothing to do with drugs, and he was not in a relationship with Shepard.

hardinparamedic:rjakobi: I hope part of the education program includes the fact that Matther Shepard's participation in a meth ring probably factored more into his death than, you know, him being swishy.

LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, FOLKS!

"Fact"? You mean one right-winged author's claims?

You mean even the sheriff's, investigator, and those who did the killing? Because all of them felt the same thing and the guy who helped kill him admitted to being his fark buddy.

Dahnkster:FTA "Gibbons added that he felt "an incredible amount of judgment and laughter" while delivering a monologue in the play in which his character comes out as gay,"

Now I attended Ole Miss a number of years ago, so I might be a little prejudiced. But isn't a gibbons a monkey? Why would you put a monkey in a play about a homosexual?[gallery.photo.net image 680x680]Are you ready? Hell yes. Damn right.

A gibbon is an ape, not a monkey. Which I know because I didn't attend an SEC university.

hardinparamedic:Descartes: Just because he was killed in a lover's spat by his boyfriend over drug deals gone bad, is no reason to value his life any less than that of a person who wasn't a drug dealer.

Except for the fact that this has been a conspiracy theory promoted by people since the time of his death with no evidence of his involvement in anything involving drugs at the time of his death being found by either the Feds or the locals, and the Jiminez book which gives new light to the claim references far too many "anonymous sources" to be credible in the least.

His own killer has stated repeatedly that this had nothing to do with drugs, and he was not in a relationship with Shepard.

Yeah jail house interviews say different and there were 3 different guys there that night.

He want killed for being gay, he was killed for bogarting drugs and money he owed stop using it as valuing one life over another.