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Hooray for the " reinforced groin area in pants " option !! I'm broke getting them re-sewn at 8 euros a pop ! Seriously, some outfit somewhere in the world must have put some thought into how to get flexibility with strength.

Heard a few changes are coming to the field dress in 2010. i have listed the most important points that were proposed

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zips to replace buttons on pants and smocks, smock breast to have zips for side opening

Maybe a good idea on the smock,but a waste of money on the pants as the iplcs drop pouchs stop you getting into the leg pockets when worn.Could be handy in vehicles though?)

new norgie with better tech specs dpm

I thhaught norgie was being axed alltogther:confused:

new fleece dpm with better specs and soft shell

That was coming anyway

small irish flag replaced with larger irish flag

Standardised for overseas and at home.About time.

new df logo and irish defence forces "name tag over left pocket all smocks, shirts etc

Yank bollocks.Same as the helmet rank markings

dryflo to be dpm with velcro for rank markings

Velcro about time as we are expected to put it on overseas ourselves.DPM a waste of monet.No need.

che che to replace shemagh in irish dpm

We use CE ptn at the moment on the issue ones for Chad.Good to have our own.

barcode on all issue

Good idea

pockets on shirt to be designed like kaki shirt

Crap idea.Backwards step.A better idea would be side opening slash pockets that you could get at whilst wearing CBA.

renforced groin area in pants

SweatboxLike the old issue winter pants.Just improve the stitch quality.

elmer fud hat to have df logo

Good idea.They need to go on general issue aswell.Not just winter trips to KFOR and the NBG.Also while we are at it get rid of the fleece liner in the boonie hat.Really,it could only be paddy the pig who would put fleece in a jungle hat:redface:

what do people think ?

See above.

Infantry Corps - An LÃ¡mh Comhrac

"Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
-- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

The larger tricolour is as APOD said for overseas as we try our best to stand out as Irish

purely for self preservation- the same with the flag on the name tag-

I think one of the most worrying things and thank you Irish GR for bringing this up is:

the flamability of the dri flo- how meltable is our dri flo

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Any of the driflo materials are flammable and will melt and stick to your skin in the worst possible way in a fire/explosion. They are some variation on polyester. Wife is a firefighter and they can only wear cotton t-shirts or and the issue nomex trousers and fire brigades have been doing this for years. Driflo is a big "no-go" in the fire/rescue community. Pilots can't wear it either for the same reasons.

Driflo is great and I wear it running and cycling, but give me a cotton t-shirt in uniform any day. Having tried both, the difference under body armour is meaningless, you still sweat your bollix off and no amount of driflo will make Iraqi summers cooler.

I can tell you from personal experience that the irish driflo melts very easily. I used to wear one under my overalls during summer (remember when we had these in Ireland too?). While welding, sparks just melted right through, where they would not normally affect cotton. Needless to say the dri flo is back int he locker, and will stay their indefinitely.

Hooray for the " reinforced groin area in pants " option !! I'm broke getting them re-sewn at 8 euros a pop ! Seriously, some outfit somewhere in the world must have put some thought into how to get flexibility with strength.

Yes, there are number of off the shelf fabrics that could be used and produced in a dpm pattern, the most obvious being stretch cordura that is featured in alot of civilian climbing and hiking pants. Its quite tough, windproof, highly water resistant and dries quickly and allows alot of flexibility.

Originally Posted by hedgehog

I think one of the most worrying things and thank you Irish GR for bringing this up is:

the flamability of the dri flo- how meltable is our dri flo

I've had my dri flo struck by sparks and it hasn't went up in a sheet of flame, however i'd say its as flammable as other synthetic baselayers that aren't specially treated. Helly Hansen does a range of fire retardant variations of its Lifa baselayer system, with varying spec as to how fire retardant you want the fabric to be. The top end stuff (according to someone who has a full set) is rather expensive.

The only alternative that would provide the same type of performance whilst not having the "melt" factor would be a merino wool base layer and again, cost would probably be an issue.

Do the Navy lads wear similar dri flos - how are they compatabile with the anti flash hoods

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.