The subjects of a TV documentary series about the Ku Klux Klan abruptly canceled last week by A&E allege to Variety that significant portions of what was filmed were fabricated by the producers. …

The KKK leaders who were interviewed by Variety detailed how they were wooed with promises the program would capture the truth about life in the organization; encouraged not to file taxes on cash payments for agreeing to participate in the filming; presented with pre-scripted fictional story scenarios; instructed what to say on camera; asked to misrepresent their actual identities, motivations and relationships with others, and re-enacted camera shoots repeatedly until the production team was satisfied.

The production team even paid for material and equipment to construct and burn wooden crosses and Nazi swastikas, according to multiple sources …

“We were betrayed by the producers and A&E,” said Nichols. “It was all made up—pretty much everything we said and did was fake and because that is what the film people told us to do and say.” …

The purported quality of the program, originally known as “Generation KKK,” helped draw the support of organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League and Color of Change, which A&E publicized. …

The cancellation occurred less than 24 hours after this reporter contacted several producers at TIJAT with the allegations contained in this story. Those same producers, according to multiple KKK members who participated in the documentary, subsequently warned them not to speak to this reporter if contacted.

But sources close to the production also cast doubt on the testimony of KKK leaders, describing them as inveterate liars motivated by an agenda to scuttle a series that could make them look bad if it ever aired and prone to confusing being manipulated with aggressive questioning from producers. …

TIJAT producers went so far as to orchestrate more than one cross-burning ceremony in Pulaski, though it is presented in the documentary as if the KKK is actually hosting the event. “We’ve been allowed special access to film this secret induction,” reads a title card that precedes one of the cross-burning scenes.

“It was the producers who told me they wanted a cross-lighting,” recounted Nichols. “In fact they made two cross-lightings cause they wanted to reshoot some scenes. They bought everything—the wood, the burlap to wrap around the wood, the diesel and kerosene for my cross lighting. They even brought all the food for everyone.”

Nichols’ storyline in the documentary series involves his efforts to recruit a young man, Cody Hutt, into the KKK. But their dynamic was also less than truthful: Hutt made it clear to the producers he was never seriously considering joining the KKK, but he was willing to take $200 per day from them to act the part. “From the first day, I sat them (down) and told them I had no interest in joining the Klan,” said Hutt.

As TIJAT’s cameras capture, the tension between Nichols and Hutt reaches the boiling point when Hutt brings an anti-hate activist, Bryon Widner, to Nichols’ home to help convince Nichols to leave Hutt alone. When Nichols learns who Widner is, he angrily demands he leaves the house, even threatening to kill Widner.

But Nichols and Hutt say the scene was a fabrication. “That was 100% the TV guys’ idea and staged,” said Nichols.

… Hutt, a 22-year-old high-school dropout who lives with his mother, readily admits that getting paid by producers was his motivation for helping distort the truth.

“Hey, I loved the money. Don’t get me wrong; I wanted them to come back,” he confessed.

It’s almost as if there is more demand for than supply of the KKK, so the price has gone up.

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To be fair, a lot of reality shows stage their material and scenes. There’d be no drama or interest otherwise.

Yeah, but that show would have left a lot of people believing that the Ku Klux Klowns are a much bigger and more powerful movement than they really are. There's already far too much unfounded fear around as it is.

OT but funny article about a Canadian author (who looks like Bruce Springsteen) who’s made a name for himself for his Indigenous blood turns out to be not white but “mostly Celtic,” whatever that means, and how the “real” Indigenous are having trouble defining their own identities:

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

I go to a car wash called Waterway here in St. Louis county. You go through the automated section first then your car gets vacuumed and cleaned by hand by 2-3 teens. They are usually white with a black on the team sometimes. No hispanics.

When I lived in Fremont CA years ago all the car cleaners would be Hispanic and Californians would never believe you could operate a car wash without mestizos.

I hired a maid service once when I was moving in St. Louis county. The maids sent were black. Did a fine job.

The lawn service that cuts my grass...... white guys.

The cost of housing has got to figure into this. St.louis is cheap and has very few hispanics. Chicago is expensive (for the Midwest) and has a lot of Hispanic immigration.

I had the same experience in St. Augustine, Florida, of all places. Most people in the service jobs catering to tourists, even the maids making the beds, were ordinary white Americans, with a few black Americans working in the restaurants as well. We were there for a week and only saw Spanish-speaking people in a popular Cuban-American restaurant. This was my first trip to Florida and I was expecting the place to be filled with Mexicans, Cubans, and Central Americans - what a pleasant surprise. (Beautiful place, too, if you haven't visited.)

thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities.

Very true of the Great Lakes region, with the exception of Dearborn, which has a lot of Arabs. In Central and Western Pennsylvania and Western New York you'll 50-year-old whites working at gas stations and McDonald's for minimum wage. (In the Lower Hudson Valley/New York/New Jersey area you don't see ANY whites doing service jobs.) Cleveland has got a very large black population, but suburban and rural areas of Northern Ohio are white as snow. The Hispanic population of the Great Lakes region is quite small also. There's a few Mexicans working in agriculture (but they seem to keep to themselves and do honest work) and some Puerto Ricans in the cities, but they are far outnumbered by blacks. It's really a black/white region with a very segregated urban/rural racial pattern.

I moved 2.5 years ago from Minneapolis to SF and I know exactly what you're talking about. Minneapolis is not quite as old-American as you describe Ohio (has a fair amount of Asian immigrants, e.g., as well as the Somalis but of course none of them are working) but it's close. So much closer to what I consider normal American life than California, the Somalis in my neighborhood in Minneapolis notwithstanding.

It should be obvious to the NYT set why Trump did well in places that still have all the work done by pre-1965 Americans: they see the future in California and New York and Texas and they don't like it. A tiny ruler class lives in the center of the metroplex, surrounded by a vast servant class. None of these people share a common culture, or often even a language. And pushed to the periphery of the metro area or into lower prestige regions entirely is the former working class, both white and black. And Democrats are surprised voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin saw this amazing future coming and said no?

The property taxes in coastal America go to fund the schools of the children of the elites. Those people who hate Trump the bigot would not send their kids to integrated urban schools so they live in rich suburbs with nice schools that are too expensive for non Asian minorities to afford to live in.

The people benefiting from the the real estate explosion are people who bought land there a long time ago. In SF a lot of $2 million houses go on the market that were last sold in the mid 1970s for around 50k, which is between a 5-20 fold return on investment dependin on the particulars.

People pay that much to be close to the elite jobs that are the sine qua non of being part of the ruling elite (Lawyer in DC, tech in SF, finance in NYC or Chicago). They're also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks (nanny and maid instead of living near/with in laws or parents.)

Anyways I'm here for a unique job opportunity with a high prestige organization but once my CV is as polished as its going to get I want to settle down in a part of the country that is not so screwed up and far from what I remember when I grew up in an America nearly totally populated with Americans.

"One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities."

This could be deceiving. In the area of the northeast where I live, I very rarely see Latinos, particularly of the Central American variety. But once my kids and their friends reached the age when they were looking for the sorts of jobs that high school kids and college kids would work, I found that there were a lot of illegal immigrants working behind the scenes.

The immigrants tend to congregate in the wealthier urban areas ... where there is money to hire maids, gardeners, and nannies. They also build the houses, roads, and office buildings; maintain the lush suburban landscapes; and man the restaurants and fast food franchises. Northern Virginia is a perfect example of this as a collection of high-income bedroom communities for the Imperial City ... the start of a megacity that extends up the east coast to Boston. The immigrants also congregate in rural areas with chicken farm, slaughterhouses, etc.

Drive an hour outside of the above urban buildups and you are in the Great Flyover. Yes, here the the waitresses, cooks, and manual laborers are white. The areas are not wealthy. You see lots of old cars, very few European cars, and not-too-many new houses. Somehow, it feels like home.

Trying to post as my usual handle MUSE,
But I keep getting bounced. Plse help Ron.

Here was my post:

Funny thing. There are several very high end country clubs near me. Local kids caddy at them, and can make big money at times. The most elite and difficult club to gain entry as a member, however; pays he least. They employ primarily what appear to be foreign help in the caddyshack, and they truck in a number of minorities from the inner city, ostensibly to give them a shot at Chick Evans Scholarships.

In truth what they do is get their bags carried on the cheap, and get to feel good about it.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

“Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?”

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

KKK is a fedgov operation like all the other race groups. Fedgov loves to stir shit. Yes they do.

Fedgov no longer represents the people. Instead it occupies the country and dominates the people as primary directive. The founders warned of this outcome .

Also to the guy noticing Ohio workforce is non-immigrant: the same is true in many northern locations in the US. Mass immigration is a plutocrat scam anywhere and everywhere you find it. It has nothing to do with “helping” people. Mass immigration makes rich people much richer.

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood. Which contradicts their belief that Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color. If Jews aren't White, how the hell can they physically pass for Klansmen? Did makeup artists put these Jews in Whiteface like the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit about White privilege?

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

I go to a car wash called Waterway here in St. Louis county. You go through the automated section first then your car gets vacuumed and cleaned by hand by 2-3 teens. They are usually white with a black on the team sometimes. No hispanics.

When I lived in Fremont CA years ago all the car cleaners would be Hispanic and Californians would never believe you could operate a car wash without mestizos.

I hired a maid service once when I was moving in St. Louis county. The maids sent were black. Did a fine job.

The lawn service that cuts my grass…… white guys.

The cost of housing has got to figure into this. St.louis is cheap and has very few hispanics. Chicago is expensive (for the Midwest) and has a lot of Hispanic immigration.

Sounds like this journalist is in with the KKK. Don’t you know Klan members lie? Are you really quoting klansmen as if everything they say is fact? If this series shows people leaving the klan it makes sense why klan members would want to save their own arses after the fact and not have this show air. Do you really need to force a klan member to say the N Word? Isn’t that what they do? I think it’s sad that people are judging this before any of us get a chance to watch it. LAME! Why don’t you let us watch and judge for ourselves A&E? Quit giving the klan the chance to remain invisible.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

I had the same experience in St. Augustine, Florida, of all places. Most people in the service jobs catering to tourists, even the maids making the beds, were ordinary white Americans, with a few black Americans working in the restaurants as well. We were there for a week and only saw Spanish-speaking people in a popular Cuban-American restaurant. This was my first trip to Florida and I was expecting the place to be filled with Mexicans, Cubans, and Central Americans – what a pleasant surprise. (Beautiful place, too, if you haven’t visited.)

Well, duh! Next time, vacation in Miami and tell me if you have the same experience.

Actually, I have no objection to Little Havana and the Cubans. Southern Florida without Cubans would be like mojitos without the Mojito Mint. I went to an ice cream parlor in Little Havana, and the gorgeous--really, beautiful--proprietess ignored the other customers and flirted with me shamelessly. That and a drunk/high black guy vomitting onto the floor of a public bus in mid-day and acting like "what? all good here. Nothing to see" are my main memories from Little Havana.

I went there after a National Review cruise--Derb's last, I think. Nice vacation. On a subsequent trip to Miami, I went to the Everglades and Keyes. You should check that out. Beautiful part of our great nation!

I’ve been white my entire life and have never yet met an actual kk-er. Yet I keep hearing about them as though they’re all over the place. Must be like forest gremlins or leprechauns existing but being so evasive that no one can catch up to them.

In the pre-internet days, one of my edgy and cool friends once announced that he was going to join the Klan, but he couldn't find any contacts. We should have suggested the local FBI office; and we were not hip to the SPLC, who apparently keep a few on retainer...

Oh dear. It could be that their supply of KKKrazy glue has run dry. Perhaps there was a leak in the drum.

Given the SPLC’s vast resources, couldn’t they just recruit some recent drama school grads, padded with some local schizophrenics or drug addicts to create some simulated KKK chapters?
They could then have guided tours to through a chapter’s lair, to train hoaxers for wider narrative re-enforcement. There would be tremendous synergy vis fodder for SPLC fundraising letters.

Given the SPLC’s vast resources, couldn’t they just recruit some recent drama school grads, padded with some local schizophrenics or drug addicts to create some simulated KKK chapters?

The $outhern Poverty Law Center doesn't keep its principals out of poverty by being that lavish. All the best cons work because the mark wants to be hustled, and that's definitely true with the "hate" rackets.

Naw, you don’t think anyone predicted before this came to light that this whole show was a setup/hustle/scam between A&E and the ADL so that ((())) could scratch each others’ backs and help each other raise money based on the omnipresence of the supposed Klan, do you?

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

The population of non-black non-white people in St. Louis is only a minute percentage.

“They kept asking me, wanting me, to use the word ‘nigger,’” said Nichols, who alleged he was paid $600 per day by producers to participate. “I was sitting down being filmed and interviewed with the lights and the backdrop set up, and I said something and used the word ‘blacks.’ Then the producer interrupted me and said ‘No, no, no. We want him to use the word “nigger!”’’’

Doesn’t that make these TV producer people racis?

I see how this works:

“On the Tennessee shooting location of the KKK documentary, Nichols and Hutt describe being paid by a man with a blue, rectangular bank money bag, which he would unzip and hand out $50 or $100 bills.”

$600 a day = either $3000 or $4200 a week = either $150,000 or $210,000 a year; paid in cash with no taxes reported that is the equivalent of (30.44% fed Tax rate only) $215,000 or $302,000 gross a year.And all that without an NDA being in sight.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

I traveled through the West (Great Plains, Colorado, Utah) recently. Same thing: there were no “jobs Americans won’t do.” Not unusual: white cleaning staff working for Indian motel owners.

Fake reality series are a common staple on cable TV nowadays. One would be hard pressed to find a show that didn’t stage situations and use paid xtras. Their popularity stems from the fact they produce shows that are real money makers for peanuts.

Gold Rush is notorious for it. Another was that Amish Mafia show and “Storage Wars”. Oh yeah then there’s that Alaska family trying to live off the land but in reality they live in a motel when not shooting.

Remember Bear Gyllis? aka: Survivor man. Well that fake made a bee line to a motel or camp every time the camera stopped rolling.

Some like Discovery actually put totally fake shows and try to convince viewers they are giant sharks out there and then there was one about mer-men – I kid you not.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities.

Very true of the Great Lakes region, with the exception of Dearborn, which has a lot of Arabs. In Central and Western Pennsylvania and Western New York you’ll 50-year-old whites working at gas stations and McDonald’s for minimum wage. (In the Lower Hudson Valley/New York/New Jersey area you don’t see ANY whites doing service jobs.) Cleveland has got a very large black population, but suburban and rural areas of Northern Ohio are white as snow. The Hispanic population of the Great Lakes region is quite small also. There’s a few Mexicans working in agriculture (but they seem to keep to themselves and do honest work) and some Puerto Ricans in the cities, but they are far outnumbered by blacks. It’s really a black/white region with a very segregated urban/rural racial pattern.

Philadelphia (PA) area doesn't have a huge amount of Hispanics compared to CA but it seems like there are lot of other immigrants. One thing I have noticed lately is that pharmacists (especially at chain pharmacies, Wal-Mart, etc.) are trending strongly immigrant. Indian, Asian, E. European, etc. I guess another job Americans won't do (for the low wages that Wal-Mart is willing to pay).

In the town where I grew up the local (independent) pharmacist was black (in a largely white town). He had been the star of the HS football team and the local businessmen organized a college scholarship for him. But this was the old racist America so I must be making this up.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

What was the point? Basically, to sell more stuff. Car loans, mortgages, led hdtv’s. How else are tptb going to “make money”?

OT but funny article about a Canadian author (who looks like Bruce Springsteen) who's made a name for himself for his Indigenous blood turns out to be not white but "mostly Celtic," whatever that means, and how the "real" Indigenous are having trouble defining their own identities:

Read the comment again. It didn't say "no Hispanics", it said "no jobs Americans won't do". There were Central Americans, but there were also North Americans doing similarly menial jobs, and who probably could have been getting paid more but for their illegal coworkers.

But yes, compared to my expectation, the Central Amers were not particularly visible. Draw your own conclusion. I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.

"Colorado is one of the most Hispanic states in The U.S that does not share a border with Mexico."

So what? So is Illinois, but if you're not in certain neighborhoods in Chicago, you wouldn't know it.

"It’s Florida with much colder weather."

Not really. Colorado has Mexicans. Florida has Caribbeans and South Americans.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

I moved 2.5 years ago from Minneapolis to SF and I know exactly what you’re talking about. Minneapolis is not quite as old-American as you describe Ohio (has a fair amount of Asian immigrants, e.g., as well as the Somalis but of course none of them are working) but it’s close. So much closer to what I consider normal American life than California, the Somalis in my neighborhood in Minneapolis notwithstanding.

It should be obvious to the NYT set why Trump did well in places that still have all the work done by pre-1965 Americans: they see the future in California and New York and Texas and they don’t like it. A tiny ruler class lives in the center of the metroplex, surrounded by a vast servant class. None of these people share a common culture, or often even a language. And pushed to the periphery of the metro area or into lower prestige regions entirely is the former working class, both white and black. And Democrats are surprised voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin saw this amazing future coming and said no?

The property taxes in coastal America go to fund the schools of the children of the elites. Those people who hate Trump the bigot would not send their kids to integrated urban schools so they live in rich suburbs with nice schools that are too expensive for non Asian minorities to afford to live in.

The people benefiting from the the real estate explosion are people who bought land there a long time ago. In SF a lot of $2 million houses go on the market that were last sold in the mid 1970s for around 50k, which is between a 5-20 fold return on investment dependin on the particulars.

People pay that much to be close to the elite jobs that are the sine qua non of being part of the ruling elite (Lawyer in DC, tech in SF, finance in NYC or Chicago). They’re also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks (nanny and maid instead of living near/with in laws or parents.)

Anyways I’m here for a unique job opportunity with a high prestige organization but once my CV is as polished as its going to get I want to settle down in a part of the country that is not so screwed up and far from what I remember when I grew up in an America nearly totally populated with Americans.

It was probably a mistake not to move the capital to somewhere in the middle (Kansas?) when the US became a continental state. It wouldn't have fixed everything but having a capital that sits in the heartland is somewhat helpful for keeping the ruling class in touch with the people.

They’re also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks

And not just family, though those are the most important, nuclear and extended. Also church, union, volunteer, civic, and fraternal networks as well, i.e. those things that constitute community and produce a common culture.

I traveled to Minneapolis a few years ago for work. When I went to lunch with some associates I figured it'd be the usual meaningless banter but they angrily lamented all the Somalis and Latinos and the problems they were causing with the quality of life in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area.

Our mass third world immigration policies are even alienating the otherwise liberal and tolerant Scandinavians of the great white north.

thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities.

Very true of the Great Lakes region, with the exception of Dearborn, which has a lot of Arabs. In Central and Western Pennsylvania and Western New York you'll 50-year-old whites working at gas stations and McDonald's for minimum wage. (In the Lower Hudson Valley/New York/New Jersey area you don't see ANY whites doing service jobs.) Cleveland has got a very large black population, but suburban and rural areas of Northern Ohio are white as snow. The Hispanic population of the Great Lakes region is quite small also. There's a few Mexicans working in agriculture (but they seem to keep to themselves and do honest work) and some Puerto Ricans in the cities, but they are far outnumbered by blacks. It's really a black/white region with a very segregated urban/rural racial pattern.

“Cleveland has got a very large black population”

That’s an underestimate. You can find zip codes in Cleveland that are over 95 percent Black.

“In Central and Western Pennsylvania and Western New York you’ll 50-year-old whites working at gas stations and McDonald’s for minimum wage.”

In California you don’t even see White Millennials working at McDonalds, let alone Whites in their 50s. Chick Fil-A is where all the Whiteys be working at.

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood. Which contradicts their belief that Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color. If Jews aren’t White, how the hell can they physically pass for Klansmen? Did makeup artists put these Jews in Whiteface like the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit about White privilege?

They really saying that? The one guy they listed here was unemployed and needed money.

Local unemployed blue-collar guys would give much better performances anyway--it's the actual demographics of the Klan (what's left of it), for starters. And there's lots of them hanging around any economically distressed area. A few might even see it as a start to a showbiz career...

They [the producers] bought everything—the wood, the burlap to wrap around the wood, the diesel and kerosene for my cross lighting. They even brought all the food for everyone.

LOL – who’s the expert on cross burning here? Reminds of the joke where Satan complains that he puts all this effort into back-masking his message on phonograph records, but the only people with turntables that play backwards are fundamentalist ministers…

Oh dear. It could be that their supply of KKKrazy glue has run dry. Perhaps there was a leak in the drum.

Given the SPLC's vast resources, couldn't they just recruit some recent drama school grads, padded with some local schizophrenics or drug addicts to create some simulated KKK chapters?
They could then have guided tours to through a chapter's lair, to train hoaxers for wider narrative re-enforcement. There would be tremendous synergy vis fodder for SPLC fundraising letters.

Given the SPLC’s vast resources, couldn’t they just recruit some recent drama school grads, padded with some local schizophrenics or drug addicts to create some simulated KKK chapters?

The $outhern Poverty Law Center doesn’t keep its principals out of poverty by being that lavish. All the best cons work because the mark wants to be hustled, and that’s definitely true with the “hate” rackets.

I had the same experience in St. Augustine, Florida, of all places. Most people in the service jobs catering to tourists, even the maids making the beds, were ordinary white Americans, with a few black Americans working in the restaurants as well. We were there for a week and only saw Spanish-speaking people in a popular Cuban-American restaurant. This was my first trip to Florida and I was expecting the place to be filled with Mexicans, Cubans, and Central Americans - what a pleasant surprise. (Beautiful place, too, if you haven't visited.)

Well, duh! Next time, vacation in Miami and tell me if you have the same experience.

Actually, I have no objection to Little Havana and the Cubans. Southern Florida without Cubans would be like mojitos without the Mojito Mint. I went to an ice cream parlor in Little Havana, and the gorgeous–really, beautiful–proprietess ignored the other customers and flirted with me shamelessly. That and a drunk/high black guy vomitting onto the floor of a public bus in mid-day and acting like “what? all good here. Nothing to see” are my main memories from Little Havana.

I went there after a National Review cruise–Derb’s last, I think. Nice vacation. On a subsequent trip to Miami, I went to the Everglades and Keyes. You should check that out. Beautiful part of our great nation!

If the demand is so high for the KKK, this thing can become a self fulfilling prophecy, with the endless demonization of white men and the fame this can now earn one, I am surprised there has not been a surge of recruitment.

"If the demand is so high for the KKK, this thing can become a self fulfilling prophecy, with the endless demonization of white men and the fame this can now earn one, I am surprised there has not been a surge of recruitment.

The KKK is seen as poor Deliverance level White trash. Because of that image over 99 percent of White Americans have zero interest in joining the Klan.

After World War I, Hitler returned to Munich.[73] With no formal education or career prospects, he remained in the army.[74] In July 1919 he was appointed Verbindungsmann (intelligence agent) of an Aufklärungskommando (reconnaissance commando) of the Reichswehr, assigned to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate the German Workers’ Party (DAP)

If the demand is so high for the KKK, this thing can become a self fulfilling prophecy, with the endless demonization of white men and the fame this can now earn one, I am surprised there has not been a surge of recruitment.

“If the demand is so high for the KKK, this thing can become a self fulfilling prophecy, with the endless demonization of white men and the fame this can now earn one, I am surprised there has not been a surge of recruitment.

The KKK is seen as poor Deliverance level White trash. Because of that image over 99 percent of White Americans have zero interest in joining the Klan.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

“One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities.”

This could be deceiving. In the area of the northeast where I live, I very rarely see Latinos, particularly of the Central American variety. But once my kids and their friends reached the age when they were looking for the sorts of jobs that high school kids and college kids would work, I found that there were a lot of illegal immigrants working behind the scenes.

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood. Which contradicts their belief that Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color. If Jews aren't White, how the hell can they physically pass for Klansmen? Did makeup artists put these Jews in Whiteface like the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit about White privilege?

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

The immigrants tend to congregate in the wealthier urban areas … where there is money to hire maids, gardeners, and nannies. They also build the houses, roads, and office buildings; maintain the lush suburban landscapes; and man the restaurants and fast food franchises. Northern Virginia is a perfect example of this as a collection of high-income bedroom communities for the Imperial City … the start of a megacity that extends up the east coast to Boston. The immigrants also congregate in rural areas with chicken farm, slaughterhouses, etc.

Drive an hour outside of the above urban buildups and you are in the Great Flyover. Yes, here the the waitresses, cooks, and manual laborers are white. The areas are not wealthy. You see lots of old cars, very few European cars, and not-too-many new houses. Somehow, it feels like home.

Yup. I live in a wealthy county in NJ. However, most of these jobs until recently were held by native born Americans. I'm in my early 30s. I still remember growing up in the mid 90s and most jobs in landscaping, construction, etc were held by Americans. This only changed in my area during the early 00s. Plumbers and electricians around here are still almost exclusively held by Americans though. I've never actually met a Hispanic plumber or electrician. Most nursing jobs around me are still held by Americans too.

What was nice about seeing a town like Hudson, Ohio was that it offered an extremely high quality of life at an affordable cost. Even though it is one of the most affluent towns in Ohio, my wife and I were shocked that you could get a really nice house for around $350k! And all this without opening doors to mass immigration!

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood. Which contradicts their belief that Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color. If Jews aren't White, how the hell can they physically pass for Klansmen? Did makeup artists put these Jews in Whiteface like the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit about White privilege?

They really saying that? The one guy they listed here was unemployed and needed money.

Local unemployed blue-collar guys would give much better performances anyway–it’s the actual demographics of the Klan (what’s left of it), for starters. And there’s lots of them hanging around any economically distressed area. A few might even see it as a start to a showbiz career…

I had the same experience in St. Augustine, Florida, of all places. Most people in the service jobs catering to tourists, even the maids making the beds, were ordinary white Americans, with a few black Americans working in the restaurants as well. We were there for a week and only saw Spanish-speaking people in a popular Cuban-American restaurant. This was my first trip to Florida and I was expecting the place to be filled with Mexicans, Cubans, and Central Americans - what a pleasant surprise. (Beautiful place, too, if you haven't visited.)

Thing about Florida–the further north you go, the further South it gets.

Actual reality is too boring to watch on TV. “Reality” TV shows have writers who think up plots just like every other TV show. “Reality” just means that the actors are non-professionals (though some go on to have professional careers) and that they get paid less. “Reality” doesn’t mean actual reality. Unless you think that professional wrestling is real too.

So what went on on this show was no different than any other “reality” show. Their mistake was calling it a “documentary”. The standards for “documentaries” are completely different.

The other problem was that the KKK and neo-Nazis are something we're told repeatedly is something that is really trending out there in the real world and definitely not fake news. There's a bit more outsider interest in a staged cross burning that never really happened than in a staged storage locker auction.

Perhaps the $PLC can take their pile of cash and remake this episode as a movie, may be a vehicle for note Howard Zinn fan Matt Damon. Working title; "We Bought a White Supremacist Hate Group" . But given there is no supply despite higher demand to show such people exist, costs for labor might be prohibitive. Making it up altogether is always cheaper.

I moved 2.5 years ago from Minneapolis to SF and I know exactly what you're talking about. Minneapolis is not quite as old-American as you describe Ohio (has a fair amount of Asian immigrants, e.g., as well as the Somalis but of course none of them are working) but it's close. So much closer to what I consider normal American life than California, the Somalis in my neighborhood in Minneapolis notwithstanding.

It should be obvious to the NYT set why Trump did well in places that still have all the work done by pre-1965 Americans: they see the future in California and New York and Texas and they don't like it. A tiny ruler class lives in the center of the metroplex, surrounded by a vast servant class. None of these people share a common culture, or often even a language. And pushed to the periphery of the metro area or into lower prestige regions entirely is the former working class, both white and black. And Democrats are surprised voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin saw this amazing future coming and said no?

The property taxes in coastal America go to fund the schools of the children of the elites. Those people who hate Trump the bigot would not send their kids to integrated urban schools so they live in rich suburbs with nice schools that are too expensive for non Asian minorities to afford to live in.

The people benefiting from the the real estate explosion are people who bought land there a long time ago. In SF a lot of $2 million houses go on the market that were last sold in the mid 1970s for around 50k, which is between a 5-20 fold return on investment dependin on the particulars.

People pay that much to be close to the elite jobs that are the sine qua non of being part of the ruling elite (Lawyer in DC, tech in SF, finance in NYC or Chicago). They're also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks (nanny and maid instead of living near/with in laws or parents.)

Anyways I'm here for a unique job opportunity with a high prestige organization but once my CV is as polished as its going to get I want to settle down in a part of the country that is not so screwed up and far from what I remember when I grew up in an America nearly totally populated with Americans.

It was probably a mistake not to move the capital to somewhere in the middle (Kansas?) when the US became a continental state. It wouldn’t have fixed everything but having a capital that sits in the heartland is somewhat helpful for keeping the ruling class in touch with the people.

thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities.

Very true of the Great Lakes region, with the exception of Dearborn, which has a lot of Arabs. In Central and Western Pennsylvania and Western New York you'll 50-year-old whites working at gas stations and McDonald's for minimum wage. (In the Lower Hudson Valley/New York/New Jersey area you don't see ANY whites doing service jobs.) Cleveland has got a very large black population, but suburban and rural areas of Northern Ohio are white as snow. The Hispanic population of the Great Lakes region is quite small also. There's a few Mexicans working in agriculture (but they seem to keep to themselves and do honest work) and some Puerto Ricans in the cities, but they are far outnumbered by blacks. It's really a black/white region with a very segregated urban/rural racial pattern.

Philadelphia (PA) area doesn’t have a huge amount of Hispanics compared to CA but it seems like there are lot of other immigrants. One thing I have noticed lately is that pharmacists (especially at chain pharmacies, Wal-Mart, etc.) are trending strongly immigrant. Indian, Asian, E. European, etc. I guess another job Americans won’t do (for the low wages that Wal-Mart is willing to pay).

In the town where I grew up the local (independent) pharmacist was black (in a largely white town). He had been the star of the HS football team and the local businessmen organized a college scholarship for him. But this was the old racist America so I must be making this up.

Pharmacist is another job that used to be a high prestige job that was zero foreigners 25 years ago. It requires a bachelors degree plus three years of additional training. It was a cottage industry with well trained pharmacists running mostly small independently owned businesses. Nowadays 95% of pharmacies are Walgreens/CVS/Target/Wal-Mart and pharmacist is just more cheap labor grist for the low margin mill. And surprise surprise, you very rarely see American pharmacists anymore. I don't think I've seen one since I moved to California.

Apparently "jobs Americans won't do" will soon include any job in California because no person who grew up in first-world America will be crazy enough to move here and accept the third world living conditions.

Philadelphia (PA) area doesn't have a huge amount of Hispanics compared to CA but it seems like there are lot of other immigrants. One thing I have noticed lately is that pharmacists (especially at chain pharmacies, Wal-Mart, etc.) are trending strongly immigrant. Indian, Asian, E. European, etc. I guess another job Americans won't do (for the low wages that Wal-Mart is willing to pay).

In the town where I grew up the local (independent) pharmacist was black (in a largely white town). He had been the star of the HS football team and the local businessmen organized a college scholarship for him. But this was the old racist America so I must be making this up.

Pharmacist is another job that used to be a high prestige job that was zero foreigners 25 years ago. It requires a bachelors degree plus three years of additional training. It was a cottage industry with well trained pharmacists running mostly small independently owned businesses. Nowadays 95% of pharmacies are Walgreens/CVS/Target/Wal-Mart and pharmacist is just more cheap labor grist for the low margin mill. And surprise surprise, you very rarely see American pharmacists anymore. I don’t think I’ve seen one since I moved to California.

Apparently “jobs Americans won’t do” will soon include any job in California because no person who grew up in first-world America will be crazy enough to move here and accept the third world living conditions.

Actual reality is too boring to watch on TV. "Reality" TV shows have writers who think up plots just like every other TV show. "Reality" just means that the actors are non-professionals (though some go on to have professional careers) and that they get paid less. "Reality" doesn't mean actual reality. Unless you think that professional wrestling is real too.

So what went on on this show was no different than any other "reality" show. Their mistake was calling it a "documentary". The standards for "documentaries" are completely different.

The other problem was that the KKK and neo-Nazis are something we’re told repeatedly is something that is really trending out there in the real world and definitely not fake news. There’s a bit more outsider interest in a staged cross burning that never really happened than in a staged storage locker auction.

“They kept asking me, wanting me, to use the word ‘nigger,’” said Nichols, who alleged he was paid $600 per day by producers to participate. “I was sitting down being filmed and interviewed with the lights and the backdrop set up, and I said something and used the word ‘blacks.’ Then the producer interrupted me and said ‘No, no, no. We want him to use the word “nigger!”’’’

Doesn't that make these TV producer people racis?

I see how this works:

"On the Tennessee shooting location of the KKK documentary, Nichols and Hutt describe being paid by a man with a blue, rectangular bank money bag, which he would unzip and hand out $50 or $100 bills."

$600 a day = either $3000 or $4200 a week = either $150,000 or $210,000 a year; paid in cash with no taxes reported that is the equivalent of (30.44% fed Tax rate only) $215,000 or $302,000 gross a year.
And all that without an NDA being in sight.

When I first heard about this show, it reminded me of a show on National Geographic a few years ago called “Meet the Hutterites.” The show followed a few members of a Hutterite Colony in Montana and was staged by the producers at a level that was comic. I read that the colony was paid $100,000 from National Geographic for the show. These KKK people should have held out for more money.

I moved 2.5 years ago from Minneapolis to SF and I know exactly what you're talking about. Minneapolis is not quite as old-American as you describe Ohio (has a fair amount of Asian immigrants, e.g., as well as the Somalis but of course none of them are working) but it's close. So much closer to what I consider normal American life than California, the Somalis in my neighborhood in Minneapolis notwithstanding.

It should be obvious to the NYT set why Trump did well in places that still have all the work done by pre-1965 Americans: they see the future in California and New York and Texas and they don't like it. A tiny ruler class lives in the center of the metroplex, surrounded by a vast servant class. None of these people share a common culture, or often even a language. And pushed to the periphery of the metro area or into lower prestige regions entirely is the former working class, both white and black. And Democrats are surprised voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin saw this amazing future coming and said no?

The property taxes in coastal America go to fund the schools of the children of the elites. Those people who hate Trump the bigot would not send their kids to integrated urban schools so they live in rich suburbs with nice schools that are too expensive for non Asian minorities to afford to live in.

The people benefiting from the the real estate explosion are people who bought land there a long time ago. In SF a lot of $2 million houses go on the market that were last sold in the mid 1970s for around 50k, which is between a 5-20 fold return on investment dependin on the particulars.

People pay that much to be close to the elite jobs that are the sine qua non of being part of the ruling elite (Lawyer in DC, tech in SF, finance in NYC or Chicago). They're also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks (nanny and maid instead of living near/with in laws or parents.)

Anyways I'm here for a unique job opportunity with a high prestige organization but once my CV is as polished as its going to get I want to settle down in a part of the country that is not so screwed up and far from what I remember when I grew up in an America nearly totally populated with Americans.

They’re also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks

And not just family, though those are the most important, nuclear and extended. Also church, union, volunteer, civic, and fraternal networks as well, i.e. those things that constitute community and produce a common culture.

Actual reality is too boring to watch on TV. "Reality" TV shows have writers who think up plots just like every other TV show. "Reality" just means that the actors are non-professionals (though some go on to have professional careers) and that they get paid less. "Reality" doesn't mean actual reality. Unless you think that professional wrestling is real too.

So what went on on this show was no different than any other "reality" show. Their mistake was calling it a "documentary". The standards for "documentaries" are completely different.

Perhaps the $PLC can take their pile of cash and remake this episode as a movie, may be a vehicle for note Howard Zinn fan Matt Damon. Working title; “We Bought a White Supremacist Hate Group” . But given there is no supply despite higher demand to show such people exist, costs for labor might be prohibitive. Making it up altogether is always cheaper.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

Trying to post as my usual handle MUSE,
But I keep getting bounced. Plse help Ron.

Here was my post:

Funny thing. There are several very high end country clubs near me. Local kids caddy at them, and can make big money at times. The most elite and difficult club to gain entry as a member, however; pays he least. They employ primarily what appear to be foreign help in the caddyshack, and they truck in a number of minorities from the inner city, ostensibly to give them a shot at Chick Evans Scholarships.

In truth what they do is get their bags carried on the cheap, and get to feel good about it.

What’s new here? The KKK has been an unofficial department of the official government and the crypto-government (the ADL and the SPLC) for decades. Nothing examplifies this better than “The March.”

In the 1970s there was the plan for the now infamous March on Skokie. The KKK spokesman and chief organizer said that it was planning to march through the heavily Jewish area of Skokie, Illinois. This spokesman’s name was Frank Collin.

You can’t believe just how big an item this was in the media at the time. The coverage of it on both TV and in the print level was literally at levels that rivaled that of the Super bowl. Demands were made by Jewish groups to stop it.

Then the march simply fizzled out but before groups like the Anti-Defamation League had received what was rumored to be over hundred million dollars in additional donations from Jews panicked because of this march.

It was then revealed that Frank Collin’s original family name was Cohen and that most of his group of motley, supposed followers had in fact been paid (and given uniforms) after being been recruited off the local skid row.

But this curious story doesn’t end there. Frank Collin/Cohen then went on to found and sponsor financially a goofy, new-age sort of group under his new name Frank Joseph. This group also produced an expensive, glossy magazine, also paid for by Collin/Cohen/Joseph. This magazine had a very low circulation and virtually no advertising so it certainly must have been a big, money losing proposition. This, despite the fact that the newly named Frank Joseph didn’t seem to have any apparent source of the sort of income necessary to subsidize such an expensive undertaking. Was he getting some sort of pension from an unknown benefactor?

His name was later taken off the top of the masthead of this new-age group and its magazine apparently because of the publicity surrounding his conviction and jailing for a sex crime. His name is still there today but now at the bottom of the masthead, listing him now as merely as some sort of advisor despite the fact that he continues to fund both the group and its publication. He also self-publishes numerous books and, interestingly enough, get them stocked in bookstores under his new pen name Frank Joseph without even a whisper from those normally hyper vigilant groups (and the media) who opposed the original march.

Collin/Cohen/Joseph continues to lead a charmed, almost invisible life, seemingly immune (unlike David Duke) from absolutely any media curiosity about his former KKK links. You would think the local Jewish groups around him would shun and blacklist him but, for some reason, they apparently don’t. The normally hyper-observant ADL and the SPLC have been, and continue to be, strangely forgetful in regards to Collin/Cohen/Joseph

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article about Collin (Cohen). Unfortunately, in the last few years it has been radically sanitized and its chronology of events changed.

Somehow, I get always get confused about these two groups because of the increasing feeling that both are now so heavily infiltrated by the deep state agents that they should be considered as merely branches on the same tree.

Stormfronters are saying these actors playing fake Klansmen are all Jews from Broadway and Hollywood. Which contradicts their belief that Jews are Nonwhite People Of Color. If Jews aren't White, how the hell can they physically pass for Klansmen? Did makeup artists put these Jews in Whiteface like the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skit about White privilege?

Sounds like this journalist is in with the KKK. Don’t you know Klan members lie? Are you really quoting klansmen as if everything they say is fact? If this series shows people leaving the klan it makes sense why klan members would want to save their own arses after the fact and not have this show air. Do you really need to force a klan member to say the N Word? Isn’t that what they do? I think it’s sad that people are judging this before any of us get a chance to watch it. LAME! Why don’t you let us watch and judge for ourselves A&E? Quit giving the klan the chance to remain invisible.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

Pew Hispanic Center stated only 3 percent of illegals work in agriculture….

So if we deport 96pc of them the crops won’t rot on the vine or branch…..

To be fair, a lot of reality shows stage their material and scenes. There'd be no drama or interest otherwise.

To be fair, a lot of reality shows stage their material and scenes. There’d be no drama or interest otherwise.

Yeah, but that show would have left a lot of people believing that the Ku Klux Klowns are a much bigger and more powerful movement than they really are. There’s already far too much unfounded fear around as it is.

Steve,
OT but thought I would share my experience visiting some relatives in the Cleveland Metro Area over Christmas. It seems like the Midwest, including the Cleveland area, offers a controlled study in immigration restriction.

One thing that really stands out is the absence of large numbers of non-black minorities. I stayed and dined in Upper Middle Class Cleveland suburbs and can’t recall seeing more than five Hispanics. In fact, the only non-back minorities I saw were middle class Asians and Indians.

Contrary to the Wall Street Journal, all of the jobs that Americans won’t do are actually done by (gasp!)…. Americans! Construction work, short order cooks, landscaping, janitorial work, etc. was entirely done by white and black Americans. My family and I went to Hudson, Ohio for an afternoon, which is a very affluent suburb between Cleveland and Akron. Driving around, all of the construction workers were American. We then went into an upscale supermarket. Out of the roughly 30 workers that I saw, one was an Asian immigrant. All of the other workers were American (entirely white).

We then went into Downtown Cleveland. When we walked past an upscale condo conversion, I noticed that all of the construction workers and painters were either white or black Americans.

In short, my experience was that it was possible to attain a high standard of living at an affordable price without importing large numbers of immigrants. It then begs the question, what was the point of all of this? It costs an astonishing amount of money in real estate and taxes to maintain Blue Coastal America. Where is all of this money going? Finally, do any of the commenters here have the same experiences in other Midwestern Cities (Columbus, Indy, St. Louis, etc.)?

my sister is a teacher in south western MI and at least 40% of her students are EASL students

"my sister is a teacher in south western MI" where exactly? Here in Branch County we have the second largest Arab population, next to Dearborn, in MI, and many Mexi's in the western part of the County, and a very large Mexi population in neighboring St. Joseph County (Sturgis, especially). when Coldwater HS soccer plays Sturgis HS soccer it is literally little Yemen vs. little Mexico.

I moved 2.5 years ago from Minneapolis to SF and I know exactly what you're talking about. Minneapolis is not quite as old-American as you describe Ohio (has a fair amount of Asian immigrants, e.g., as well as the Somalis but of course none of them are working) but it's close. So much closer to what I consider normal American life than California, the Somalis in my neighborhood in Minneapolis notwithstanding.

It should be obvious to the NYT set why Trump did well in places that still have all the work done by pre-1965 Americans: they see the future in California and New York and Texas and they don't like it. A tiny ruler class lives in the center of the metroplex, surrounded by a vast servant class. None of these people share a common culture, or often even a language. And pushed to the periphery of the metro area or into lower prestige regions entirely is the former working class, both white and black. And Democrats are surprised voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin saw this amazing future coming and said no?

The property taxes in coastal America go to fund the schools of the children of the elites. Those people who hate Trump the bigot would not send their kids to integrated urban schools so they live in rich suburbs with nice schools that are too expensive for non Asian minorities to afford to live in.

The people benefiting from the the real estate explosion are people who bought land there a long time ago. In SF a lot of $2 million houses go on the market that were last sold in the mid 1970s for around 50k, which is between a 5-20 fold return on investment dependin on the particulars.

People pay that much to be close to the elite jobs that are the sine qua non of being part of the ruling elite (Lawyer in DC, tech in SF, finance in NYC or Chicago). They're also close to low cost personal services that replace deep knit family networks (nanny and maid instead of living near/with in laws or parents.)

Anyways I'm here for a unique job opportunity with a high prestige organization but once my CV is as polished as its going to get I want to settle down in a part of the country that is not so screwed up and far from what I remember when I grew up in an America nearly totally populated with Americans.

I traveled to Minneapolis a few years ago for work. When I went to lunch with some associates I figured it’d be the usual meaningless banter but they angrily lamented all the Somalis and Latinos and the problems they were causing with the quality of life in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area.

Our mass third world immigration policies are even alienating the otherwise liberal and tolerant Scandinavians of the great white north.

The immigrants tend to congregate in the wealthier urban areas ... where there is money to hire maids, gardeners, and nannies. They also build the houses, roads, and office buildings; maintain the lush suburban landscapes; and man the restaurants and fast food franchises. Northern Virginia is a perfect example of this as a collection of high-income bedroom communities for the Imperial City ... the start of a megacity that extends up the east coast to Boston. The immigrants also congregate in rural areas with chicken farm, slaughterhouses, etc.

Drive an hour outside of the above urban buildups and you are in the Great Flyover. Yes, here the the waitresses, cooks, and manual laborers are white. The areas are not wealthy. You see lots of old cars, very few European cars, and not-too-many new houses. Somehow, it feels like home.

Yup. I live in a wealthy county in NJ. However, most of these jobs until recently were held by native born Americans. I’m in my early 30s. I still remember growing up in the mid 90s and most jobs in landscaping, construction, etc were held by Americans. This only changed in my area during the early 00s. Plumbers and electricians around here are still almost exclusively held by Americans though. I’ve never actually met a Hispanic plumber or electrician. Most nursing jobs around me are still held by Americans too.

What was nice about seeing a town like Hudson, Ohio was that it offered an extremely high quality of life at an affordable cost. Even though it is one of the most affluent towns in Ohio, my wife and I were shocked that you could get a really nice house for around $350k! And all this without opening doors to mass immigration!

We gotta do something. Reports say WMD are buying up Aunt Jemima pancake mix(from Russians) to build the Cyclops Machine that will destroy the world.

And we thought Hussein buying yellow cake was a threat to world peace. We aint seen nuthin yet.

PS. Notice how these unintelligent white men must steal technology from a brilliant Negress to build the weapon. It’s like whitey would never have gone to the moon but for the genius of number-crunching sistaz.

Tiny Duck is Steve’s kkk. He is larping, he attracts attention and drives traffic. He never really means what he says and is completely fake. A blogger might be tempted to allow such a useless an unserious commenter just to boost comments.

The phrase in the last section: “Hutt, a 22-year-old high-school dropout who lives with his mother…”, gave me an inspirational idea.

Since their original series was cancelled, why not a new one based on young males with no job and no job prospect. It would be multi-racial, multi-ethnic, and multi regional. It would feature black thugs in northern cities and white loafers in the rural south; high school drop outs and MA’s with degrees in Urbanology (and massive student loans to repay), some involved in crime and some totally idle.

my sister is a teacher in south western MI and at least 40% of her students are EASL students

“my sister is a teacher in south western MI” where exactly? Here in Branch County we have the second largest Arab population, next to Dearborn, in MI, and many Mexi’s in the western part of the County, and a very large Mexi population in neighboring St. Joseph County (Sturgis, especially). when Coldwater HS soccer plays Sturgis HS soccer it is literally little Yemen vs. little Mexico.

"I traveled through the West (Great Plains, Colorado, Utah) recently. Same thing: there were no “jobs Americans won’t do.” Not unusual: white cleaning staff working for Indian motel owners"

You barely saw any Hispanics in Colorado? I have an extremely hard time believing that.

Colorado is one of the most Hispanic states in The U.S that does not share a border with Mexico. It's Florida with much colder weather.

Read the comment again. It didn’t say “no Hispanics”, it said “no jobs Americans won’t do”. There were Central Americans, but there were also North Americans doing similarly menial jobs, and who probably could have been getting paid more but for their illegal coworkers.

But yes, compared to my expectation, the Central Amers were not particularly visible. Draw your own conclusion. I just calls ‘em like I sees ‘em.

“Colorado is one of the most Hispanic states in The U.S that does not share a border with Mexico.”

So what? So is Illinois, but if you’re not in certain neighborhoods in Chicago, you wouldn’t know it.

“It’s Florida with much colder weather.”

Not really. Colorado has Mexicans. Florida has Caribbeans and South Americans.

I've been white my entire life and have never yet met an actual kk-er. Yet I keep hearing about them as though they're all over the place. Must be like forest gremlins or leprechauns existing but being so evasive that no one can catch up to them.

In the pre-internet days, one of my edgy and cool friends once announced that he was going to join the Klan, but he couldn’t find any contacts. We should have suggested the local FBI office; and we were not hip to the SPLC, who apparently keep a few on retainer…

In the pre-internet days, one of my edgy and cool friends once announced that he was going to join the Klan, but he couldn't find any contacts. We should have suggested the local FBI office; and we were not hip to the SPLC, who apparently keep a few on retainer...

For what it’s worth, the guy who cut my lawn etc in Central Texas was a white man and his son. Now in Southern Calif…the woman who cleans my apartment twice a month is white. They’re not figments of my imagination. And I would happily pay twice what I now pay for a head of lettuce if it meant that working-class public schools were usable and the country weren’t turning into a third-world shit show.

I’ve been white my entire life and have never yet met an actual kk-er.

I have met one guy in the KKK. Just through friends, socially, not through any activist connections, btw. At least, he said he was in the KKK. He also said how the KKK was different now, wasn’t about racism. And that he wasn’t a racist. I told him I’m not in the KKK, but I’m definitely a racist.

Jobs Americans Won’t Do.

Believing in this fairy tale may be one of the quickest and most drastic ways to lose my respect; the projection is far too obvious.

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