CAMPAIGNERS blasted a judge after she acquitted a boyfriend of controlling behaviour - because his ex was too "strong and capable" to be considered a victim.

The second female judge this week who seems clueless in regard to crimes against women.

Paul Measor taught their one year old son to tell his mum to Fuck off, and encouraged the tot to call her a slut and a slag.He subjected Lauren Smith to daily abuse, both physical and mental, which included spitting in her face.District judge Helen Cousins decided because his victim was a " strong and capable" woman this didnt have enough effect on her to warrant finding him guilty of using controlling and coercive behaviour.He was convicted of common assault and sentenced to 5 months in prison.

It was you who introduced honour killings - ie, murder (there's no honour involved). You have a tendency to extrapolate wildly instead of sticking to the point. We're talking a woman who stayed with a man who was mean to her, and she did so voluntarily.

Its all in the same ball park Rags

You being someone that blames actual victims of violence that they are to blame for not leaving shows you have never known anyone suffer this

He was more than mean, he taught the child to basically hate her

Do you think that is acceptable?

Seriously?

Killing someone and being mean to someone are two completely different things.

I'm afraid I'm with didge on this one, botyh you and quill are talking outta your backsides....

quill quotes agency and you just...well, your sanctimonious side is showing yet again

Do either of you realise that the AIM of the abuser is to destroy "agency" and quill yes that does render the victim "incompetent" in the legal sense....

by destroying self confidence and self reliance, by destroying restricting and negating independence and creating a "dependency" upon the abuser the abuser gains control of the victims "agency". its a form of "brainwashing" or rather mental manipulation and conditioning that can be virtually impossible to escape from.

_________________If at any time in 2018 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2019 AINT gonna be any different

Patience my Ass......I' m gonna KILLsomething

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

Lord Foul wrote:I'm afraid I'm with didge on this one, botyh you and quill are talking outta your backsides....

quill quotes agency and you just...well, your sanctimonious side is showing yet again

Do either of you realise that the AIM of the abuser is to destroy "agency" and quill yes that does render the victim "incompetent" in the legal sense....

by destroying self confidence and self reliance, by destroying restricting and negating independence and creating a "dependency" upon the abuser the abuser gains control of the victims "agency". its a form of "brainwashing" or rather mental manipulation and conditioning that can be virtually impossible to escape from.

Lord Foul wrote:I'm afraid I'm with didge on this one, botyh you and quill are talking outta your backsides....

quill quotes agency and you just...well, your sanctimonious side is showing yet again

Do either of you realise that the AIM of the abuser is to destroy "agency" and quill yes that does render the victim "incompetent" in the legal sense....

by destroying self confidence and self reliance, by destroying restricting and negating independence and creating a "dependency" upon the abuser the abuser gains control of the victims "agency". its a form of "brainwashing" or rather mental manipulation and conditioning that can be virtually impossible to escape from.

I have no idea what this "agency" thing is. She had the confidence to record him and take him to court. She had a kid with him even though he was mean to her, and she did nothing when he taught the kid to abuse her (even though the kid wouldn't know he was abusing her). People need to take responsibility for themselves. I don't believe in brainwashing.

The kid is only one, he wouldn't saying that stuff because he hates her - he won't know what it means.

Who says she was vulnerable? You? She stayed with him and then complained later that he controlled her. That's just silly.

This coming from a person that has never raised a child and has no understanding of how children are so influenced

Children are very much influenced at the earliest ages

For a child to believe its okay to deman a woman, where the father mocks her. Will be very much influenced to do the same

You have no idea what you are talking about

For you to look to excuse this behaviour shows you see no wrong in what he did

So lets ask a simple question

Do you think everyone is able to control themselves emotionally?

You're assuming a lot about me. I don't talk about my private life so you have no idea what I've done.

You're getting nasty and abusive yourself. I'm surprised you're not taking his side. After all, you do your best day after day to try and control people on here. Of course you generally fail but you keep trying.

The kid won't remember it - don't be so stupid.

I know that you can't control yourself, emotionally or otherwise. However, do you blame others for that?

Lord Foul wrote:I'm afraid I'm with didge on this one, botyh you and quill are talking outta your backsides....

quill quotes agency and you just...well, your sanctimonious side is showing yet again

Do either of you realise that the AIM of the abuser is to destroy "agency" and quill yes that does render the victim "incompetent" in the legal sense....

by destroying self confidence and self reliance, by destroying restricting and negating independence and creating a "dependency" upon the abuser the abuser gains control of the victims "agency". its a form of "brainwashing" or rather mental manipulation and conditioning that can be virtually impossible to escape from.

I have no idea what this "agency" thing is. She had the confidence to record him and take him to court. She had a kid with him even though he was mean to her, and she did nothing when he taught the kid to abuse her (even though the kid wouldn't know he was abusing her). People need to take responsibility for themselves. I don't believe in brainwashing.

So because she acted later, this now makes her wrong, that she did not act before?

That because she never found the strengh, she is guilty, because she later found this?

You dont believe in brainwashing?

Explain the Hitler Youth to me?

How could children willing give thier lives in the believe its a good thing?

This is happenning today with Jihaddis

It happened in world war two with Kamikaze

If you do not believe in brainwashing, how then do people willing give their lives, based on bullshit?

This coming from a person that has never raised a child and has no understanding of how children are so influenced

Children are very much influenced at the earliest ages

For a child to believe its okay to deman a woman, where the father mocks her. Will be very much influenced to do the same

You have no idea what you are talking about

For you to look to excuse this behaviour shows you see no wrong in what he did

So lets ask a simple question

Do you think everyone is able to control themselves emotionally?

You're assuming a lot about me. I don't talk about my private life so you have no idea what I've done.

You're getting nasty and abusive yourself. I'm surprised you're not taking his side. After all, you do your best day after day to try and control people on here. Of course you generally fail but you keep trying.

The kid won't remember it - don't be so stupid.

I know that you can't control yourself, emotionally or otherwise. However, do you blame others for that?

seems to me you condone violent criminals that take their violence out on women......

you must have led a very sheltered life....

I have seen this at work first hand, with the bastard that tried his coercive behaviour on my daughter, fortunately I caught him out and dealt with it, covertly from behind the scenes, and turned the tables on him...cost him 3 jobs in a row (and his jobs are "high flying" financial roles)and left him almost unemployable, becuase those who need to know, now know what he is, and understand very clearly that employing him could be "damaging" to their company reputation....

now HE knows what its like to be "coerced"....and that actions have consequences......

_________________If at any time in 2018 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2019 AINT gonna be any different

Patience my Ass......I' m gonna KILLsomething

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

I have no idea what this "agency" thing is. She had the confidence to record him and take him to court. She had a kid with him even though he was mean to her, and she did nothing when he taught the kid to abuse her (even though the kid wouldn't know he was abusing her). People need to take responsibility for themselves. I don't believe in brainwashing.

So because she acted later, this now makes her wrong, that she did not act before?

That because she never found the strengh, she is guilty, because she later found this?

You dont believe in brainwashing?

Explain the Hitler Youth to me?

How could children willing give thier lives in the believe its a good thing?

This is happenning today with Jihaddis

It happened in world war two with Kamikaze

If you do not believe in brainwashing, how then do people willing give their lives, based on bullshit?

Oh, we're back to Nazi Germany again, which is nothing to do with the subject, but since you ask, I don't think they were brainwashed. I don't think Jihadis are brainwashed either.

I didn't say she was guilty, I said she put up with it and stayed with him so she shouldn't complain later. The assault is a different matter.

I agree with what you say raggs but I think it was more of an impact statement than ''complaining about it''

Okay, you are a strong person Gelico

So how can you compare this to people less strong than you and say you agree with her?

Are they now at fault, because people have manipulated them?

You may be strong willed, but even more now today, many are not. They are mollycoddled

Does that make the child at fault

I respect you gelico, but how can you even see her point?

I hate PC, but a get a grip on this

To claim that people are at fault for not removing themselves from a situation they feel entrapped, shows you lack empathy on this

''by destroying self confidence and self reliance, by destroying restricting and negating independence and creating a "dependency" upon the abuser the abuser gains control of the victims "agency". its a form of "brainwashing" or rather mental manipulation and conditioning that can be virtually impossible to escape from''.

but not completely impossible as this woman has now proved

listen, didge, i'm not for a moment suggesting that it is an easy thing to do. It isn't, as for not having empathy, my daughter was involved in a very abusive relationship so I know exactly what the technique of the abuser is and the resulting effect it can have but ultimately, each individual has to take personal responsibility to change their situation. That just a hard fact of life. My daughter had to, this lady in the article had to

Lord Foul wrote:seems to me you condone violent criminals that take their violence out on women......

you must have led a very sheltered life....

I have seen this at work first hand, with the bastard that tried his coercive behaviour on my daughter, fortunately I caught him out and dealt with it, covertly from behind the scenes, and turned the tables on him...cost him 3 jobs in a row (and his jobs are "high flying" financial roles)and left him almost unemployable, becuase those who need to know, now know what he is, and understand very clearly that employing him could be "damaging" to their company reputation....

now HE knows what its like to be "coerced"....and that actions have consequences......

We're not talking about violence though are we? We're talking about "controlling", which is not the same thing.

You're assuming a lot about me. I don't talk about my private life so you have no idea what I've done.

You're getting nasty and abusive yourself. I'm surprised you're not taking his side. After all, you do your best day after day to try and control people on here. Of course you generally fail but you keep trying.

The kid won't remember it - don't be so stupid.

I know that you can't control yourself, emotionally or otherwise. However, do you blame others for that?

Okay, so now, the victimology comes out of you here, when challenged

You are again avoiding my points

Try again

You're not challenging me, you're getting personal and nasty. You see? I don't put up with it.

Lord Foul wrote:seems to me you condone violent criminals that take their violence out on women......

you must have led a very sheltered life....

I have seen this at work first hand, with the bastard that tried his coercive behaviour on my daughter, fortunately I caught him out and dealt with it, covertly from behind the scenes, and turned the tables on him...cost him 3 jobs in a row (and his jobs are "high flying" financial roles)and left him almost unemployable, becuase those who need to know, now know what he is, and understand very clearly that employing him could be "damaging" to their company reputation....

now HE knows what its like to be "coerced"....and that actions have consequences......

We're not talking about violence though are we? We're talking about "controlling", which is not the same thing.

yes it is....it is a form of psychological violence that is just as harmful as physical violence...perhaps even worse in some cases as the effects can be hidden and corrosive....

_________________If at any time in 2018 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2019 AINT gonna be any different

Patience my Ass......I' m gonna KILLsomething

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

no one has to agree with me - we are all entitled to our own thoughts on it

until a person can find the courage, determination to change their situation, no one else can help them. once they have decided to do that then there is help out there available for abused victims, be they female or male (as is also many times the case)

We're not talking about violence though are we? We're talking about "controlling", which is not the same thing.

yes it is....it is a form of psychological violence that is just as harmful as physical violence...perhaps even worse in some cases as the effects can be hidden and corrosive....

We're not on the same page then because I don't consider that being mean is the same as violence.

Thats because you are incapable of understanding the difference between "being mean" and psychological violence

I'm "being mean" to my grand daughter when I tell her shes got a big bum (even though she hasnt and knows it)I was psychologically violent to my daughters ex when I posted to his employers copies of the vile and soul destroying messages he sent my daughter, resulting in his dismissal, then sent the entire bundle to his next two employers after he was with them a few months, not to mention the barrage of solicitors letters, complaints to the police about his behaviour...which although below the bar for prosecution was sufficent for them to put in place some sort of safeguard and pay him a few visits.......etc etc etc.....

the difference is...what I did was justifiable AND legal.....what he was doing wasnt

_________________If at any time in 2018 I have annoyed you, pissed you off or said the wrong thing....Suck it up snowflake, cause 2019 AINT gonna be any different

Patience my Ass......I' m gonna KILLsomething

[b].(It's hard to remember that the task is to drain the swamp, when you are up to your arse in alligators)

We're not on the same page then because I don't consider that being mean is the same as violence.

Thats because you are incapable of understanding the difference between "being mean" and psychological violence

I'm "being mean" to my grand daughter when I tell her shes got a big bum (even though she hasnt and knows it)I was psychologically violent to my daughters ex when I posted to his employers copies of the vile and soul destroying messages he sent my daughter, resulting in his dismissal, then sent the entire bundle to his next two employers after he was with them a few months, not to mention the barrage of solicitors letters, complaints to the police about his behaviour...which although below the bar for prosecution was sufficent for them to put in place some sort of safeguard and pay him a few visits.......etc etc etc.....

the difference is...what I did was justifiable AND legal.....what he was doing wasnt

I think that what you did was wrong actually. It was up to your daughter to sort it out, it wasn't up to you to try to destroy his life and his future. You stalked him basically. However, you weren't violent. Don't tell me I'm "incapable" when you're clearly off your head.

Thats because you are incapable of understanding the difference between "being mean" and psychological violence

I'm "being mean" to my grand daughter when I tell her shes got a big bum (even though she hasnt and knows it)I was psychologically violent to my daughters ex when I posted to his employers copies of the vile and soul destroying messages he sent my daughter, resulting in his dismissal, then sent the entire bundle to his next two employers after he was with them a few months, not to mention the barrage of solicitors letters, complaints to the police about his behaviour...which although below the bar for prosecution was sufficent for them to put in place some sort of safeguard and pay him a few visits.......etc etc etc.....

the difference is...what I did was justifiable AND legal.....what he was doing wasnt

I think that what you did was wrong actually. It was up to your daughter to sort it out, it wasn't up to you to try to destroy his life and his future. You stalked him basically. However, you weren't violent. Don't tell me I'm "incapable" when you're clearly off your head.

So someone absued to you, because they did not act quick enough is in the wrong to you

This is what is wrong here

Why are you not even talking about what he did wrong?

Its what bores me with Gelico

She is intelligent but fails to see what is wrong when she defends idiots like you

The view is to castigate the victim only

When have you actually talked about what this wanker did?

I mean maybe youd and gelico are epxerts in mental health and nobodys suffers mental abuse and they shiuld simple get up and leave

The pair of you are inherantly ignorant on this and should ashamed

To place the blame on the victim here, shows neither of you have a clue