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For the 'Temporal Provincials' among us.

TPs...those ignorant of the past and proud of it...the past has no bearing on "today"...etc.,etc.,etc. Well here's a small article concerning what to expect of our democracy and where it's headed, based on a HISTORY professor from the 1800s.

UB

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million
Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of governmentwelfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty millioncriminal invaders called illegals - and they vote - then we can saygoodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.

WOW Bill, I am really surprised you would quote a professor from a well known Minnesota university based on the fact that you don't like our state and you seem to think all Minnesotan's are ignorant. Shocking, just shocking.

I got that email a couple of years ago, I could not find any text that had it. Everything pointed to it just being put to gether in a newspaper article in the 40's. However the issues with democracys were well know at that time. They were also well know by our founding fathers and that is why we are a republic and not a democracy. Can you point me the correct texts for it?

Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

alexis_de_tocqueville Has a few books dealing with the newely formed USA and has predictated many of the problems that we will face, he has just as good of quotes as T Jefferson when it comes to freedom.

WOW Bill, I am really surprised you would quote a professor from a well known Minnesota university based on the fact that you don't like our state and you seem to think all Minnesotan's are ignorant. Shocking, just shocking.

I doubt I have stated that ALL Minnesoootans are ignorant, but the state has accumulated several. Your posts have me believing, however, that you may be in the 'other' camp. I do have a sister-in-law that is also a conservative living in Rochester. I am a fan of Michelle Bachman, and think she is far better for that state than that Klobuchar babe that gets all the accolades....or that total ignoramus, Frankin. But it's those type of loonies that get elected in that state that cause me to be critical. There was a time when it was one of my favorite places to be. I graduated from radio engineering school in Mpls in 1960. I married a gal from Lamberton, MN...also in 1960. We have other relatives still living there. I still follow the Twins and Vikes along with the Broncs and Rox.

All that aside, my quoting a prof from a "well known Minnesota university" has very little to do with my views of the state in general. I've quoted so many famous sayings by Ronald Reagan I can't count them all, but as far as his home state is concerned, I think it's a total waste. And I have several relatives living there also, including my youngest son and his family. So your 'logic' doesn't quite add up.

But I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, until such time you stray too far off the reservation.

UB

When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.

I doubt I have stated that ALL Minnesoootans are ignorant, but the state has accumulated several. Your posts have me believing, however, that you may be in the 'other' camp. I do have a sister-in-law that is also a conservative living in Rochester. I am a fan of Michelle Bachman, and think she is far better for that state than that Klobuchar babe that gets all the accolades....or that total ignoramus, Frankin. But it's those type of loonies that get elected in that state that cause me to be critical. There was a time when it was one of my favorite places to be. I graduated from radio engineering school in Mpls in 1960. I married a gal from Lamberton, MN...also in 1960. We have other relatives still living there. I still follow the Twins and Vikes along with the Broncs and Rox.

All that aside, my quoting a prof from a "well known Minnesota university" has very little to do with my views of the state in general. I've quoted so many famous sayings by Ronald Reagan I can't count them all, but as far as his home state is concerned, I think it's a total waste. And I have several relatives living there also, including my youngest son and his family. So your 'logic' doesn't quite add up.

But I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, until such time you stray too far off the reservation.