aboutdeficits, weare buying in to the right wing mantrasomehowdeficitsarekilling the economy. look at great britain and doing with their austerity plans and doesn't add up. i'm much more of the mind to be proactively looking at infrastructure investment like many of the business advisers told president obama should happen. people from commerce, from industry. i get it. that won't happen as long as house republicans are dead set against it. and what we're left with is unfortunately in my view a detente to put the discussion in the frame the republicans want. what about deficits? we have a jobs crisis in this country. not a deficit crisis. to me, the whole conversation has been pushed to the right further than it should be. >> and karen, on a last note, in anticipation of the president's speech, the white house released numbers on the people affected by the cuts. i believe around 600,000, between 600,000 and 800,000 suffering as a result of cuts to food stamps and other program that is people need to survive these days and at least some of the analysis out there, democrats feel that

a more sweeping plan oflong-termdeficitreductionwhen they couldn't do that, this automatic cut put in to place, in to law. now republicans saying that they expect it will happen and in part are okay with that. because it would automatically begin achieving some spending cuts that the two sides have not been able to come to terms with in another way. you heard the president saying there needs to be more time and the real wrinkle now is that republicans thought the tax issue of increasing rates and more revenue just resolved and from their point of view, they thought no more taxes. that issue's off the table but democrats and the president are talking about things like the famous corporate jet loophole and other things to bring in more money. republicans are saying, no. this is going to be one of those standoff moments. will there be a lot of tension between both sides to try to figure this out? >> absolutely. 2:30 eastern time, the professionive caucus to introduce legislation to eliminate the sequester and seeing a lot of move chess peets pieces on the board. >> reporter: absolutel

budget. bring downthedeficitsina balanced, responsible way. >> is washington the biggest problem for the economy? >> i think clearly it is a major headwind. it spends a lot of money ineffectively. you can say that whether you're a conservative or a liberal. a source of job loss. in spite of conservative harping of government occupying too much, there's 1.5 million job shed from state and local government. a lot of those are teachers, first responders. and the inability of the government to put capital in motion and $3 trillion plus in spending in any way effectively is not doing any of us any particular good. the only happening decent right now in terms of growth tends to be what's going on ex-government and that doesn't mean that government couldn't do a lot better but washington isn't. >> let's talk about what's happening on wall street as the banner says, main street versus wall street or main street and wall street depending on your perspective. sometimes it does feel like it's a us against them scenario but the dow now over 14,000 mark. still with the millions of people look