Open thread: FBI press conference on Boston bombings; Update: Photos and video added; Update: Do cops have the names? Update: New pic discovered?

posted at 4:41 pm on April 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

5 p.m. ET, all across the dial. The feds announced this morning that they’re planning to release images of the two suspects from the surveillance video sometime today. Presumably that means at the presser itself or shortly before or after; once they’re online, they’ll be posted below. A key detail via the Globe: “The official said that the two suspects were seen separately on videotape — one at each of the two bombing sites, which are located about a block apart.” That’s one thing that bothered me about the people being scrutinized in the Reddit photos. In at least two cases, the two “suspects” were standing right next to each other, conversing. If you and a partner were looking to bomb something and not get caught, rule one would/should be to avoid each other at the site itself so as not to make things easier for the cops later, right?

Update: Steve Emerson told Sean Hannity last night that ICE is planning to deport the Saudi national whom cops initially investigated as a person of interest in the bombing, then cleared. Per the Blaze, Emerson said it was on “national security grounds.” Other sources confirmed Emerson’s claim for the Blaze and basically allege that something suspicious is going on, not just with the Saudi but with his associates. But an ICE official told BuzzFeed this afternoon that it’s not true: The Saudi in the hospital isn’t being deported, a different Saudi national is. And that guy supposedly has nothing to do with the bombing. The Blaze later updated to note that its sources now say ICE has reconsidered and might not deport the Saudi in the hospital. How much of this is true and whether it has anything to do with the bombing is unclear at the moment, but there you go.

Update: Yep, images on the way.

#FBI will be releasing video and still images relating to #BostonBombing at press conference set for 5pm ET

Update: Fox Boston has one of the photos that the FBI’s planning to release at 5. All I can make out is the backwards white cap and the fact that the guy appears to be standing near a mailbox, possibly the same one that was seen in those photos released yesterday of a mysterious bag. If you’ve seen that guy in any of the hundreds of marathon photos floating around online, e-mail us.

Update: The FBI’s posted multiple photos of the two suspects at its website. To my surprise, the two were together — but maybe not obviously “together” judging from the surveillance footage. The guy in the white cap, at least, looks very young, possibly even a teenager. I don’t remember them from any of the online photos I looked at yesterday but the black cap worn by the second suspect does look vaguely familiar.

Neither one drops a bag so there must be other video they’re not releasing yet.

Update: Here’s one that caught my eye a few days ago. This isn’t Black Cap, isn’t it? The pants, coat, and bag all look sort of right, but the hat seems lighter in this pic than in the vid. And there’s no white shirt here.

Update: Silly mistake on my part: Ed points out via e-mail that this pic was taken after the blast, per the broken window on the right. Unless Black Cap was hanging out close by, which would be nutty, that’s not him.

Update: Someone in Reddit’s thread on this notes, apparently correctly, that Black Cap is wearing a Bridgestone golf cap.

Update: What’s that symbol on the side of White Cap’s hat? It looks like a “T” but with the right side of the letter lighter than the left side.

Update: More from the Reddit thread: White Cap might be wearing a Polo hat.

CBS News correspondent John Miller explained why these two people are believed by the FBI to be possible suspects: “They have other video, including the one Orr referenced, where they believe they actually have on tape one of the suspects in the white baseball cap putting the bomb down in front of the Starbucks at the second location. But reason they selected the pictures we’re seeing here is they wanted to find the pictures that didn’t have the most sinister activity but the pictures that gave people the best chance of recognizing them.”

Update: Big news, if true:

BREAKING: Sources tell CBS News investigators have possible names of the men seen in the video #wbz#bostonmarathon

Update: Some Reddit users think this pic is photoshopped but it looks legit to me. You’ve got White Cap on the far left, leaving the scene of the bombing — and there, behind him next to the lady in the pink coat, appears to be Black Cap. First fair look we’ve gotten at his face.

Update: Actually, is that Black Cap in the last pic? It’s definitely White Cap — and I don’t see his backpack, post-blast — but the white part on Black Cap’s hat might not match up to the hat in the FBI photos.

Why were these guys in close proximity after the bombings? Didn’t they plant them a block or so apart?

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Anyway, the appearance of those two guys could lead them to being just about any ethnic background except black. They’re either Middle Eastern, White, Mediterranean . The pictures just aren’t clear enough.

But you were talking about in the context of older men with these children. With references to 14 year olds.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Oh OK so first, you’re admitting that you lied when you said I “admitted” to fantasizing about “14 year olds” right? I just need that squared away first.

Second, the story was involving a 16 year old, a person who can consent to sex in 30 states (that’s a majority of them). I said that the laws are arbitrary (they are) that 16 year olds are sexual agents (they are) and that I wasn’t all that upset about a 16 year old and a man in his 30s getting it on because I (and 30 other states) think that 16 is a perfectly fine age of consent. I also fondly. recounted an affair I had with an older guy in my teens. In no way, in NO WAY is that fantasizing about underage children. Disagree with me all you want, but I would appreciate if you would stop posting this slanderous lie. You are supposedly a person who demands respect and honor, could you do your best not to make up horrible lies about others before you claim to deserve some sort of recognition as a decent human? Many thanks!

Tell us what dems/liberals won when that first grader’s leg was shredded violently away from her body as she watched her 8 year old brother dying from ball bearings piercing his body.

rogerb on April 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

G&P took each fresh corpse from Hurricane Sandy and piled them like a ziggurat so he could climb to the top and claim every step up on their deceased bodies correlated to an increase in polling for the dog eater.

I do find it extremely interesting, the sleuthing going on the internet. The young men in the black garb and blue running suit were dismissed as probable by many folks I was reading based on picture analysis disputing the kid dropped his bag. It was stuff that was hard to see but once they stated it, it was really pretty clear stuff.

You do realize that on Monday three people including a child were killed and hundreds wounded. Just checking because I fail to see how anything about your sexual preferences have relevance in light of that. Just STFU and stop trying to hijack the thread to get away from the left’s disappointment that this hasn’t been pinned on a white tea party conservative. You truly are a disgusting sub-human douche.

Is anyone considering the OWS people? The attempted Cleveland bombing was about 1 year ago (in April, I believe).

The five men seeking to adversely impact commerce could have killed thousands of Ohio citizens in the process. NewsNet 5 reported on the intricate FBI sting and noted additional plans by the suspects to cause harm to commercial interests in other major cities.

A Wall Street Journal report on the attempted Cleveland bridge bombing notes the alleged domestic terrorists complained repeatedly the movement was not violent enough. The riotous frenzy created during OWS speeches appears to be causing the group to splinter into dangerous subgroups.

These OWS freaks didn’t just disappear. Am I accusing them? No. But they did try a terrorist-style bombing not that long ago. Just saying.

You do realize that on Monday three people including a child were killed and hundreds wounded. Just checking because I fail to see how anything about your sexual preferences have relevance in light of that.

Yeah…I don’t know why you are raising this concern with me. Hawkdriver accused me of fantasizing about 14 year olds out of the blue on this thread. Shouldn’t you be directing your irritation towards her/him?

Oh OK so first, you’re admitting that you lied when you said I “admitted” to fantasizing about “14 year olds” right? I just need that squared away first.

libfreeordie on April 18, 2013 at 7:56 PM

I never lie. Look, I’m trying to back on tract with the subject of the thread. But it’s your own words.

Those of us who went through puberty however know that pretty much from the moment the hormones start flowing you not only know which gender your attracted to, you know which kinds of folks within that gender you’re attracted to. This is particularly easy for guys. It’s called the boner test. If it gives you a boner…you like it.

Now are you honestly going to say with a straight face that every gay guy who at 14 realized they were getting a bone thinking about guys rather than girls “chose” that?

At this point, let’s remember that fact than worrying about the ethnicity or motives of these evil people. Plenty of time for that discussion after they and their co-conspirators are caught (and I don’t think they were acting alone).

Hahahahaha really? OK right. I forgot, for conservatives if you *discuss* something sexual you are automatically fantasizing about it. So if a parent talks to their 14 year old child about sex and asks if they are having sexual feelings that parent is automatically “fantasizing” about it. Dear God in heaven I hope you never have kids.

As I posted at the time, I put my money on domestic non-Islamic nutballs. A Harris/Klebold kind of thing. Idiot white kids. If so, let’s not have any soul-searching on bullying, or any other of their grievances. Contrary to Obama’s insistence that we need to know “why” they did it. We don’t need to know. Don’t pay them any attention, except to put them in jail where they’ll live out their miserable lives.

Update: Some Reddit users think this pic is photoshopped but it looks legit to me. You’ve got White Cap on the far left, leaving the scene of the bombing — and there, behind him next to the lady in the pink coat, appears to be Black Cap. First fair look we’ve gotten at his face.

That’s the best photo of white cap’s face I’ve seen…I think it is real…

Update: Some Reddit users think this pic is photoshopped but it looks legit to me. You’ve got White Cap on the far left, leaving the scene of the bombing — and there, behind him next to the lady in the pink coat, appears to be Black Cap. First fair look we’ve gotten at his face.

Steve Emerson told Sean Hannity last night that ICE is planning to deport the Saudi national whom cops initially investigated as a person of interest in the bombing, then cleared. Per the Blaze, Emerson said it was on “national security grounds.”

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Yesterday morning, the internet is abuzz yesterday regarding two young men of Middle Eastern origins who “someone inside the investigation” leaked to multiple media sources.

Shortly thereafter, CNN goes down the “they have a suspect in custody road” … while elsewhere:

The Saudi Foreign minister meets with Obama on an unscheduled basis yesterday. The “Saudi national” reportedly comes from a very influential Saudi family. Suddenly, the “Saudi national” is going to be expelled for ‘national security reasons’ – meaning he’s being sent home to his family (which is odd) and then:

The FBI “developed intelligence regarding a second individual” not long after the Saudi FM’s meeting with Obama …

… and less than two hours later CBS is leaking the names of the two suspects!

Which is much more acceptable on a realpoltik basis than:

The Saudi FM cuts a deal with Obama telling him the “Saudi national” was not involved but knew who planted the bombs and will provide them to the FBI on the grounds that he be given a cover story (national security risk), sent home and the FBI blows smoke up everbody’s a$$ for 24 hours to create diversions for mass consumption.

Extra points if the FBI “help us identify these men” was intended to make them reach out to their handlers/helpers because the two suspects are already under surveillance six ways from Sunday.

That’s rich coming from a troll who routinely broad brushes many posters on this site with charges of racism.

And who never has the guts to name names and explicitly and directly confront those he is accusing.

And who has already been banned here at least once yet dishonestly posts under a new name. Almost every site I know bans previously banned retreads once discovered. But not this one. You are lucky they keep letting you post here.

You act like as if you think you deserve some respect and consideration. You do not.

Here’s a thought. If you don’t like what you get here in response to what you post why don’t you just leave.

Update: Some Reddit users think this pic is photoshopped but it looks legit to me. You’ve got White Cap on the far left, leaving the scene of the bombing — and there, behind him next to the lady in the pink coat, appears to be Black Cap. First fair look we’ve gotten at his face.

Someone has a clear photo of these guys, think of the thousands of photos, somewhere, someone took a photo, and behind him/her are one of these or both of these guys…it is just a matter of finding that needle…

hawkdriver on April 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM
Any honest reader of that quote will recognize that I’m engaging in a debate about the relationship between puberty and when young men become aware of their sexual orientation. That really is that.

libfreeordie on April 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Well, let me post the whole thing for full context.

Dude. THATS the point. Sexual desire is not nuanced, it’s not complicated and neither is sexual orientation. You like, what you like, period. It’s the people who think you can “choose” your sexual desires who think that sexual orientation is nuanced and complex and malleable. Those of us who went through puberty however know that pretty much from the moment the hormones start flowing you not only know which gender your attracted to, you know which kinds of folks within that gender you’re attracted to. This is particularly easy for guys. It’s called the boner test. If it gives you a boner…you like it.

Now are you honestly going to say with a straight face that every gay guy who at 14 realized they were getting a bone thinking about guys rather than girls “chose” that?

DeathToMediaHacks on April 10, 2009 at 6:42 AM

And then you wrote this. A bit more involved in my opinion.

And yes I am saying that 14 year olds can recognize when their turned on. Being turned on isn’t something you sit and ponder and decide upon with maturity. It’s a rush of feelings directed in large part by your hormones. At what point did you “choose” heterosexuality? Are you suggesting that at 14 we’re all attracted to everyone and then we “choose” our sexual desires over time? Absolutely ridiculous. The guys I find hot now, I found hot at 14. Now, with maturity has come an expansion in my initial tastes and a recognition that certain personalities are bad for dating etc. THATS where cognition comes in. Who you choose to sleep with, who you choose to date and eventually who you choose to make a long term investment in out of the many iindividuals whom you could fall in love with. But none of that has to do with sexual orientation.

I see that the liberal trolls are out tonight. They must have gotten the night off from planned parenthood. They must not have needed them to clean up the clinic after a full day of baby killing…must make you liberals proud on how your brother gosnell did the work you all approve of….you are a stain on humanity