His motives are questionable and his actions - publishing absolutely everything he's been able to lay his hands on - have produced both good and bad results. Quite a lot of the material isn't complete, so making a balanced judgement on the contents is not possible.

This whole performance is to avoid extradition to Sweden on a rape charge, not a country known for torturing anyone or denying them a fair trial.

Can't stand the man. There's another very large whiste blower in the US - doubtless means well, although is presentation is very badly skewed and full of simplistic demonstrations. Moore? I think.

Whereas I like Alex Jones - although ott sometimes, at least he gets advice from experts from time to time, such as Arnie Gunderson on Fukushima. Gunderson is a whistle blower too - see Fairewinds.com. Excellent site, shows you how it's done, not for his greater glory, but because true whistle blowers are looking for a result not an effect.

@tigger wrote:His motives are questionable and his actions - publishing absolutely everything he's been able to lay his hands on - have produced both good and bad results. Quite a lot of the material isn't complete, so making a balanced judgement on the contents is not possible.

This whole performance is to avoid extradition to Sweden on a rape charge, not a country known for torturing anyone or denying them a fair trial.

Can't stand the man. There's another very large whiste blower in the US - doubtless means well, although is presentation is very badly skewed and full of simplistic demonstrations. Moore? I think.

Whereas I like Alex Jones - although ott sometimes, at least he gets advice from experts from time to time, such as Arnie Gunderson on Fukushima. Gunderson is a whistle blower too - see Fairewinds.com. Excellent site, shows you how it's done, not for his greater glory, but because true whistle blowers are looking for a result not an effect.

Hi tigger

I don't blame him either for trying to avoid extradition to Sweden unless they can say for certainty they will not deport him to the USA. He is prepared to answer the charges of rape in Sweden and will defend himself. Have you looked at the charges by the way ?

I am shocked at how the UK government wanted to storm the Embassy holding him, why couldn't they do something like that about all the terrorists that are in our jails that they are trying to extradite ? It seemed a bit desperate to me ?

Nothing wrong with the man though, just letting the world know about how our governments operate.

tigger read up about these rape charges and you will see they are very dodgy and need further investigation.

Tigger, while I agree the man is in danger of becoming bigger than the message, he is not facing any charges in Sweden. Police want to question him over allegations of sexual assault. An Amercian commentator asked quite reasonably yesterday why the police expect him to travel to Sweden when they could travel here to question him. The Swedish police have travelled to Serbia to question a man suspected to be involved in a murder. I am asking myself if Swedish police have asked any other.visitors to the country to return for questioning afte a woman/ women claimed they had been assaulted.

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I know the rape charges are dodgy and he will probably not go to prison for them. It should be an open trial anyway, so no problem there. There's nothing new in the way governments operate. I'm only surprised it's a surprise for so many people.

Government is basically middle management at the mercy of global powers. You could quite easily manage the country with about 100 MPs and a fraction of the council jobsworths. During WWII the US set out to subdue GB economically and financially. I've no idea whether Britain has yet paid off the debt. Germany got enormous financial help from the US so it's no surprise they got over the war a lot quicker than any other country and so on. If it hadn't been GB would have been at the forefront of innovation, the first jet engine, vertical take off - all sold in to the US for peanuts because there was no money to produce such things. The US - Britains big ally, made sure they weren't going to be a competitor.

@russiandoll wrote: Tigger, while I agree the man is in danger of becoming bigger than the message, he is not facing any charges in Sweden. Police want to question him over allegations of sexual assault. An Amercian commentator asked quite reasonably yesterday why the police expect him to travel to Sweden when they could travel here to question him. The Swedish police have travelled to Serbia to question a man suspected to be involved in a murder. I am asking myself if Swedish police have asked any other.visitors to the country to return for questioning afte a woman/ women claimed they had been assaulted.

Sorry, you posted whilst I was answering. I would think they'd not normally travel for anything less than a murder enquiry. If they'd do it on this occasion, they'd have to make it the rule?

I was actually there, in Knightsbridge, yesterday, and watched Assange come onto the embassy balcony and give his speech. This isn't a black or white situation. Some see Assange trying to avoid justice. I see it as trying to GET justice. As youselves, when did having sex without a condom cause a diplomatic crisis? This isn't about "sex by surprise" (Rape isn't mentioned). Over the last few years, the world economy has been brought to its knees by greed, fraud and corruption, yet on one banker etc has been jail. On the contrary, they have still had their big fat bonuses, while decent, hardworking people have lost their homes, and many, including a good friend of mine, his family and his health.

So, if Julian Assange can expose these scumbags, he will have my support. We'll deal with Assange's crimes at a later date, if he's guilty of anything. And, again, we need to keep reminding ourselves that the person guilty of stealing the information, and handing it to Wikileaks is in an America jail, awaiting trial. Assange, on this issue, did nothing more than what journalists do......report inside information, given, or bought by them from inside sources.

I am not a fan of Assange as a person I think he is all that others have said before. This said though I support what he represents. He hasn't even been charged with anything in Sweden & he has offered to speak to Swedish police. Having followed the case for over a year there have been many anomalies in the way the female Swedish prosecutor has been carrying out the case and also Swedish authorities have refused to say that he would NOT be straight away extradited to the USA. I understand that Government & legal systems are different but I still see it as a deafening silence.

If Assange was just your normal alleged "lawbreaker" would the UK government threaten Equador with storming in mob handed to capture him? I sincerely doubt it.

So basically it is not about Assange it is about Wikileaks. That is my view.

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