<quoted text>So what if they bitch? You act as if the worker must never voice his grievances. Of course you would fire them, as you have no empathy for them and their families.There is a reason for the overtime laws. It is because heartless owners would work people eighteen hour days chained(litterally)to machines without regular breaks.It is due to the evil people with your mentality that we have these laws. Don't like it? To damned bad. Go live in some third world country then. In this civilized society, we will have laws to make for civility, seeing as how your kind cannot just be civil.

<quoted text>So what if they bitch? You act as if the worker must never voice his grievances. Of course you would fire them, as you have no empathy for them and their families.There is a reason for the overtime laws. It is because heartless owners would work people eighteen hour days chained(litterally)to machines without regular breaks.It is due to the evil people with your mentality that we have these laws. Don't like it? To damned bad. Go live in some third world country then. In this civilized society, we will have laws to make for civility, seeing as how your kind cannot just be civil.

I see you're still as stupid as ever. These people are paid a decent, fair salaries, nice benefit package, have a good employer and most have families. You would think people would want extra money to catch up bills, maybe buy some things for themselves they've done without due to the pissy economy we've enjoyed the last four years and you're on here bitching about overtime. I don't think working 8 hours on a Saturday and maybe 2 hours extra a couple nights a week is going to kill anyone. Mike, you're so out of touch with the workforce it's unreal. People bitch if they don't make enough money and they bitch if you offer them a chance to make extra. WTH is wrong with you, other than the fact by your post you're a lazy butt. Let me guess, we should give them some government entitlements due to the fact they want something for nothing instead of working for it. Have you ever worked a real job, like for a real company?

For twenty years I was on the"overtime desired"list....two and a half hours a day , all holidays"special delivery" , back then, worked 365 days a year...plus all off days.Worked every Christmas Day for twenty years, double overtime and a half, fifty dollars an hour (Christmas and New Years)...time and a half all other holidays, and after 40 hours a week...

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<quoted text>Pro, let me give you an example of the mentality of the masses. My daughter's fiance works for a company and the owner works several hundred people. He gives them two weeks a year paid vacation, Christmas, and around the July 4th, in addition, gives them a bonus both weeks. At Christmas he puts on the dog for them. Puts them up in a nice hotel for one night for the Christmas party, provides designated drivers to and from the location of the party and all he asks is they wear something more than a Nascar tee-shirt and blue jeans. They bitch and moan about this. In October, the owner secured a large contract for the company and told the employees they could have all the overtime they wanted. Again, they bitched about working overtime. It's not like he's paying them $8.00 an hour and the thanks he gets for trying to be a good and fair employer is moaning and grouching by these people. I'd give them all a pink slip because I'm certain there's plenty of people out there that would jump at the opportunity to have an employer this good. Even though my daughter's fiance is not a regular line worker but in admin, he had to come in an lend a hand because of those that wouldn't. People don't understand when you're a salaried worker, you don't get overtime, but he was looking down the road for job security. There's just people out there that will never be happy with what's given to them and have no clue to what it's like to run a business. This is a society we're raising now, the society of I'll take and take and take, but don't expect me to work for it.

As usual there are two sides to every story. This is the side told to you second hand by your sweet little future son-in-law. Little white collar, brown nosing Joe who has probably never had his hands dirty a day in his life. In reality he is the one complaining because he has had to come out of his comfort zone and do some honest work for a change. Key words here "all the over time they wanted" which means not required. When not enough signed up for over time to cover the work little saleried Joe had to put down the coffee cup or risk a pink slip for himself. Other key words, "he HAD to come in". He was not given a choice right?

<quoted text>So what if they bitch? You act as if the worker must never voice his grievances. Of course you would fire them, as you have no empathy for them and their families.There is a reason for the overtime laws. It is because heartless owners would work people eighteen hour days chained(litterally)to machines without regular breaks.It is due to the evil people with your mentality that we have these laws. Don't like it? To damned bad. Go live in some third world country then. In this civilized society, we will have laws to make for civility, seeing as how your kind cannot just be civil.

So Mr. Empathetic, have you ever worked with single mothers or people trying to take care of other family members? I've worked with plenty of single mothers and fathers that jumped on overtime. They didn't have to, but you know what, they were selfless. They put their needs and even some little wants for their children, other family members or sick family members sick living with them and themselves in front of working maybe 10-15 extra hours a week because they had pride. Can you wrap your head that some people want to make it on their own and don't want you, me or the government to foot the bill for them? I admired these women and men because they were selfless, had pride and weren't afraid of a little hard work as you seem to be. You could learn a lesson from working a real job.

<quoted text>Since the companies lack all empathy or concern for the employee, we need a government that has empathy and concern for the employees in America to protect them. BTW, not all money earned grows a company, all money earned by the lower employees will go straight into the economy to make it grow. A strong economy can help make all companies grow, not just the ones with no empathy or concern for the employee.

<quoted text>As usual there are two sides to every story. This is the side told to you second hand by your sweet little future son-in-law. Little white collar, brown nosing Joe who has probably never had his hands dirty a day in his life. In reality he is the one complaining because he has had to come out of his comfort zone and do some honest work for a change. Key words here "all the over time they wanted" which means not required. When not enough signed up for over time to cover the work little saleried Joe had to put down the coffee cup or risk a pink slip for himself. Other key words, "he HAD to come in". He was not given a choice right?

Wrong Allen. That kid has worked since he was 15 and was the child of a single mother, didn't have a choice. He put himself through school working two jobs, so I think he knows about hard work. He deserves to be salaried. He worked the line just as everyone else to learn the company from the ground up and he worked overtime to get him the extras he did without going to school and coming up, so sue him for trying to better himself. Yes, "he HAD to come in" because he cared about his job and the reputation of the company he has worked hard for. So, sue him for busting his hump when some couldn't come in because they had to go hunting, fishing, or work on their car they didn't have money to take to a garage, but wouldn't work to overtime in order to have the money to have their car fixed properly. BTW, the hunters and fishing guys were the ones bitching about not have enough money to pay bills, but somehow found money for these activities. Heck no, I don't feel sorry for them, they had a chance to make money for extras. I guess you're like Mike, to heck with job security and looking down the road for rough patches, live for the moment, don't save any and let the government keep me up. Geez.

<quoted text>I see you're still as stupid as ever. These people are paid a decent, fair salaries, nice benefit package, have a good employer and most have families. You would think people would want extra money to catch up bills, maybe buy some things for themselves they've done without due to the pissy economy we've enjoyed the last four years and you're on here bitching about overtime. I don't think working 8 hours on a Saturday and maybe 2 hours extra a couple nights a week is going to kill anyone. Mike, you're so out of touch with the workforce it's unreal. People bitch if they don't make enough money and they bitch if you offer them a chance to make extra. WTH is wrong with you, other than the fact by your post you're a lazy butt. Let me guess, we should give them some government entitlements due to the fact they want something for nothing instead of working for it. Have you ever worked a real job, like for a real company?

<quoted text>So Mr. Empathetic, have you ever worked with single mothers or people trying to take care of other family members? I've worked with plenty of single mothers and fathers that jumped on overtime. They didn't have to, but you know what, they were selfless. They put their needs and even some little wants for their children, other family members or sick family members sick living with them and themselves in front of working maybe 10-15 extra hours a week because they had pride. Can you wrap your head that some people want to make it on their own and don't want you, me or the government to foot the bill for them? I admired these women and men because they were selfless, had pride and weren't afraid of a little hard work as you seem to be. You could learn a lesson from working a real job.

Let me give another example. A well known company that has several thousand employees pays their employees health at 100%, dental at 100% and many production workers make as much as $75,000 per year. Workers follow instructions willingly and work overtime when asked/told because they want to keep their jobs. The management model is to include the workers in the corporate "family" rather than the traditional American management style of us whip masters against those lowly workers attitude. These factory owners know that loyalty goes two ways and their workers will do anything within their power to remain within the company family. You will never hear these corporate owners or management criticizing their worker family.

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<quoted text>Pro, let me give you an example of the mentality of the masses. My daughter's fiance works for a company and the owner works several hundred people. He gives them two weeks a year paid vacation, Christmas, and around the July 4th, in addition, gives them a bonus both weeks. At Christmas he puts on the dog for them. Puts them up in a nice hotel for one night for the Christmas party, provides designated drivers to and from the location of the party and all he asks is they wear something more than a Nascar tee-shirt and blue jeans. They bitch and moan about this. In October, the owner secured a large contract for the company and told the employees they could have all the overtime they wanted. Again, they bitched about working overtime. It's not like he's paying them $8.00 an hour and the thanks he gets for trying to be a good and fair employer is moaning and grouching by these people. I'd give them all a pink slip because I'm certain there's plenty of people out there that would jump at the opportunity to have an employer this good. Even though my daughter's fiance is not a regular line worker but in admin, he had to come in an lend a hand because of those that wouldn't. People don't understand when you're a salaried worker, you don't get overtime, but he was looking down the road for job security. There's just people out there that will never be happy with what's given to them and have no clue to what it's like to run a business. This is a society we're raising now, the society of I'll take and take and take, but don't expect me to work for it.

Let me give another example. A well known company that has several thousand employees pays their employees health at 100%, dental at 100% and many production workers make as much as $75,000 per year. Workers follow instructions willingly and work overtime when asked/told because they want to keep their jobs. The management model is to include the workers in the corporate "family" rather than the traditional American management style of us whip masters against those lowly workers attitude. These factory owners know that loyalty goes two ways and their workers will do anything within their power to remain within the company family. You will never hear these corporate owners or management criticizing their worker family.<quoted text>

TSF, good example. The owner of the company I'm referring to is good to his employees. He gives good raises and pays a good hourly salary and it's like it's not enough. They have a benefits package to die for and I just can't understand what is enough for people, especially in our present economy. My mom and dad always told me a "job is not a right, it's a privilege" and I believe that's a good motto.

<quoted text>Wrong Allen. That kid has worked since he was 15 and was the child of a single mother, didn't have a choice. He put himself through school working two jobs, so I think he knows about hard work. He deserves to be salaried. He worked the line just as everyone else to learn the company from the ground up and he worked overtime to get him the extras he did without going to school and coming up, so sue him for trying to better himself. Yes, "he HAD to come in" because he cared about his job and the reputation of the company he has worked hard for. So, sue him for busting his hump when some couldn't come in because they had to go hunting, fishing, or work on their car they didn't have money to take to a garage, but wouldn't work to overtime in order to have the money to have their car fixed properly. BTW, the hunters and fishing guys were the ones bitching about not have enough money to pay bills, but somehow found money for these activities. Heck no, I don't feel sorry for them, they had a chance to make money for extras. I guess you're like Mike, to heck with job security and looking down the road for rough patches, live for the moment, don't save any and let the government keep me up. Geez.

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