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In July and August this year, successive conferences will be held at Mount Shasta focusing on Extraterrestrial Contact and Secret Space Programs. The organizer of the events, Rob Potter, has been working for nearly four decades with different contactees in the USA, and, more recently, South America. He has a wealth of experience about who’s who in the field of benevolent extraterrestrial contact.

What follows is the transcript of an interview I did with Rob on June 17 about why he decided to organize these two conferences, what attendees can expect, who the speakers are, and what they will be presenting.

As one of the featured speakers, I also touch upon some of the material I will be discussing about secret space programs and how credentialed whistleblowers like William Tompkins are now appearing, who substantiate what has been previously disclosed, and the connection with extraterrestrial contact.

Rob’s conferences in the pristine wilderness of Mt Shasta offer a very rare opportunity for participants to hear cutting edge information about extraterrestrial life and secret space programs, while being able to relax in magnificent surroundings.

Also, there is always the unexpected opportunity such surroundings provide for contact to occur in unique ways, as is suitable for each participant if they are ready for it!

Most want open contact with extraterrestrial life and full disclosure of secret space programs to occur. These two conferences are a step in that direction and I hope you can support them by attending and/or letting others know.

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

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Rob Potter Interview with Dr. Michael Salla

June 17, 2016

Transcribed by Sam Ritchie

Dr. Michael Salla: Rob, you are organizing an event at Mt. Shasta for a Bolivian contactee, Luis Mostajo Fernando, in July [29-31]. So why have you decided to work with South American contactees?

Rob Potter: Well, I have to tell you from a very early age when I first found out about things in the UFO field in the 1978, ’79 era, when Fred [Bell] started talking more about the UFO experiences, I heard about the Great White Brotherhood. And I was in contact with George Hunt Williamson, and he had a group in Peru that was talking about the Inner Retreats, the Great White Brotherhood, and I actually had correspondence and they had an invitation, and my heart and soul wanted to go there, but I was 19 or 20 or something, and I could really even muster plane fare down there. It just called to me.

So when I heard about Luis Maertens, and actually through you had some contact – your feedback and your article with him really inspired me. And I went down last summer and met Luis and it was absolutely incredible.

We went to this hot springs called Urmirri, which is kind of an Outer Retreat of the Great White Brotherhood and my summer group had a contact/ sighting there. I just feel his message is so humble. There’s no looking for any type of fame or attention. He’s absolutely the genuine real deal, and reminds me very much of Frank Stranges, another Venusian contactee of Commander Valiant Thor, which is a little more business oriented.

Luis is all heart and he explains a lot of stuff. He has repeated physical contact with not only Venusians, but Tau Ceti, Alpha Centauri and the Pleiades – physical contacts.

He has, like Corey, been put into a Blue Sphere in Machu Picchu, many years ago, where he was transferred to Ganymede portal, the Jupiter portal, which is a major Confederation training center and contact. He has been to the Inner Retreats of the Great White Brotherhood in the mountains of Illampu, down there, in what’s called The Temple of Purity.

He has also been several times to meet the Master Soromez, who is one of the ancient Atlantean masters, 40,000 years old, who is the primary caretaker of one of the Golden Discs of the Sun. There may be more. But there’s one down there that’s very important.

And I just absolutely adore him. He came to Hawaii this winter and people just gave him a standing ovation. He really revealed the divine feminine in his presentation.

I want his message to get out to the public. That’s why he’s coming, because he’s a real contactee and his information doesn’t go into anything at all in regards to cover-up, government stuff. It’s all positive.

Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s fascinating that he has had for a number of years now these experiences, and he’s reported getting into these devices that are similar to the Blue Spheres that Corey Goode’s been talking about. Luis and the other South Americans call them Xendras, [link] but effectively it does something very similar to what Corey’s described. So it just shows that there is a real continuity here between what different contactees are experiencing.

Rob: Yeah, it’s like a plasma scalar, or some sort of field portal, and it’s blue. So it seems Corey’s not the first person to be traveling in blue orbs spheres.

Dr. Salla: Exactly. One of the things that I found fascinating with Luis when I read his material and learned about his contact experiences was how he first met these extraterrestrials from the Galactic Confederation and he mentioned they have a base on Ganymede, one of the moons of Jupiter.

And he said that one of these beings, actually one of these extraterrestrials, facilitated his contact with this ascended master or master of wisdom, whatever you want to call him, Soromez, from one of the ancient civilizations.

And I thought it was really peculiar, but [it’s] not the first time that I’ve come across this where extraterrestrials actually introduce contactees to these masters of wisdom who are indigenous to our planet. And it strikes me as really strange. Why is it that we as a species aren’t ready to meet these ascended beings from our own world and we need to have extraterrestrials, off-world visitors, kind of do the introduction.

Rob: Well, I think that it may not be necessary in every case, but I think in Luis’s particular contact, he also had contact with Oaxcl. He’s a Venusian and he’s been to Venus too, but I think for me, when I look at this, it confirms for me the greater plan and the unity of the benevolent races.

It goes back, again, to the quarantine. And this has to do with several things. One is, you know, most civilizations live on the interior, according to Valiant Thor, other worlds. And if you’re on the surface, you can be exposed to radiation. And it seems as though that certain historical events and our misuse of nuclear power have kind of denigrated our DNA, as well as what we call the quarantine, where . . . I don’t know what to call them other than evil. Some people call them hostile forces. I don’t want to go into religious stuff, but let’s just say, I would concur with Cobra that we’re being kind of held hostage and that the benevolent forces are absolutely dying to communicate with us and to embrace us once again into the greater galactic family, but due to the hostile, bellicose nature of not only the government, but kind of humanity’s misled reality, has created a situation for them that open contact with us would not be safe for them or for us at this time .

And there is required a certain level of maturity that when they introduce themselves to us, the technology has to come. We’ve already got it in the hands of a small elite crew in the Secret Space Nazi International Corporate Conglomerate Program that are misusing this. They’re using it for their own power, their own aggrandizement, and there is a lack of respect for the surface population and what we are. They call us ‘useless eaters’.

We are still taking oil out of the ground in greed. We are not quite ready for that technology. And they want to give it to us, but it has to be done in a proper way and we cannot be misusing it. We must be trained in the universal laws of Ubuntu, like we are our brother’s keeper. We have a law of allegiance; a law of allowance that provides for freewill. You can do what you want as long as other people are not hurt.

So we have to kind of mature or ripen in wisdom as a people. I think they could contact us immediately and begin this process, but the mass media, people’s ignorance, superstition and fear, are some of the reasons, but I think primarily, it has to do with the safety of the surface population. As you know, Michael, in the past many people were murdered for the information that Corey’s is getting out and many are still working behind the scenes.

And god bless the military and the Secret Space Program guys. They are doing their best as they see it from their military viewpoint.

So we do have contact directly. It doesn’t have to be an ET contact, but we do have contacts directly with ascended masters. It’s historical visions of like over Egypt – the Coptic Church of the Ascended Master Mary during a time of great strife between the Coptic Christians and the Muslim. Mary appeared over the most famous Coptic Church in Egypt. I actually visited there near Luxor and the apparition sighting managed to calm the tensions down. It was kind of a mystical light appearance to calm the ignorance of religious intolerance. So that’s a female ascended master showing. We also have other ones as well.

I’ll say this. The inner earth group called The Great White Brotherhood, from my understanding, was formed about 10,000 years ago, and was part of this 40-race group that came here to really try to clean up the Earth’s hostile environment and to begin what’s called the Rahma Mission of direct contact with the masses.

Normally, they contact the world through their governance, but our governance is corrupt. So they’ve decided to do what’s called the Rahma Mission and that’s contacting individuals like Frank Stranges, you know, any individual contactee, Alex Collier, Fred Bell, Frank Stranges, could probably fall under that individual contactee umbrella that is bringing the messages directly to the people. And so many more now. It’s really just increasing.

Dr. Salla: Luis, Ricardo Gonzalez, Sixto Paz Wells, and other South American contactees, emphasize spiritual exercises and personal transformation as a key for extraterrestrial contact and understanding of what UFOs are all about. So how does that mesh with the more scientific tradition in North America, especially the U.S., of relying on physical evidence to understand what’s happening with UFOs?

Rob: Yeah, I would have to say maybe it doesn’t mesh with the scientific minded orientation that is materialistically oriented . It’s coming from One. But I think we do have to have both. I mean, the way we are in our consciousness and the way we think with the one sided approach of dualistic material. And that’s kind of where we’ve gone is in limited view that can only be proven by materialistic scientific means.

We have made science our god and we don’t allow faith or intuition. Science only takes you so far. There’s only . . a close-ended never ending cycle. Intellect [and logic] are steps on an endless ladder and throughout the materials world you will never end your learning or growing in intellectual awareness, but wisdom, and spiritual experience, comes from the soul.

And the science of the soul is learning about the ancient knowledge, which is galactic and human . . . We have a historical human aspect to the spiritual development, but it’s been hidden. It’s been attacked. The people involved in it have been burned at the stake and ostracized, so there have been what are called mystery schools or occult, which simply means hidden, just like the Jesuits and the breakaway civilizations which are self serving in their secrecy. The lineages of Light have been forced to keep their teachings more or less secret out of a need for safety and to be free from persecution through out the ages.

And these teachings are available. For one who seeks, one can learn these teachings. For me, through Fred Bell, I came in through the spiritual. I was looking for communion with spirit. And the true nature of the self, who we are and where we came from. And he led me to Alice Bailey, which some people find controversial, Madame Blavatsky, and, of course, Manly Hall’s book and also the first important book he told me to read was “The Autobiography of the Yogi”.

And this book very clearly unified the universal Christ in all religions and that’s where I came from in my search for truth. And I was thinking, personally I thought, back then that we have to get rid of technology. It’s a mess. We need to go back to the Native American ways and become very close with the land. And we can sacrifice some of our toxic comfort that we’ve created for a harmonious non-invasive spiritual connection of family that we would have.

There are different principles that are involved in that. So I came to it through that and then when I started having my out-of-body-experiences with the Pleiadians, and the contact experiences, it was very inter-dimensional and very hard to process intellectually.

They showed me some things and I was like, “Ah-h-h. We CAN be spiritual and harmonious with nature. And we can time travel and live with abundance, prosperity and very high technology.”

So it became apparent to me that they can be fused. So it’s wisdom. And one of the teachings of the Hindus is called the Jnana and the Bhakti. The Jnana is the intellectual process of realizing God and having everything together. And Bhakti is the devotional or faith-based aspect, where all you do is pray and chant and sing and dance and commune with spirit through your heart and feelings.

They say that in the end the Bhakti must become the Jnani and the Jnani must become the Bhakti. We must fuse our wisdom and experience with our intellectual side. The other thing we have to realize is that not everything can be explained. There are unknowable things and yet we can connect to this vast wisdom – this pool of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.

Through our own living flame, or the word of God, that lives within us, which some people call the Atman – there’s different names for this direct connection. The soul, the essence of who we are – is part and parcel of everything. We’re a holographic reflection. And if we can connect to that, then we can intuitively know – we don’t intellectually think about every action, but we’re just choosing the proper course of wisdom and love in our daily actions through our accumulated ability, awareness, to connect to the universal Source.

So wisdom and love, intuition and faith, are just as important as the scientific things. So I think you can come at it from both ways and eventually the intellect has to succumb to the greater reality on a certain level.

Dr. Salla: Right. I agree that there has to be some balance between the two and I like the way you approach it. And so you’ve met a number of U.S. contactees. You mentioned Fred Bell. So have you found that there are differences between the South American contactees and the North American contactees?

Rob: I wouldn’t say particularly in general. I think the Southern American contactees, Luis Fernando Mustojo Maertens – I love that he’s got four names – and you’ve got Sixto Paz Wells, Ricardo Gonzalez, primarily that I know of. I’m sure there are others, but these gentlemen have been contacting the same individuals under the umbrella of the same mission and been getting a lot of similar information.

So in that sense, they’re very similar.

The Venusian, Valiant Thor, has several contacts. Dr. Frank Stranges is one of the only public figures I know. I know the names and individuals of some others that were on what is called the Council of Twelve from Dr. Frank. And there’s a gentleman in Switzerland that’s mentioned. But there contacts are very similar because they’re very spiritual oriented, although they do encompass world affairs and are observing what’s going on.

I met Daniel Fry back in the day. Gabriel Green was one of my greatest mentors. And he and the Bill Tompkins story we mentioned privately, Frank Chile my friend, what a great guy. I just love Frank. He was always so warm, always so enthusiastic, and he could just tell tale upon tale upon tale of benevolent space family contact.

Michael Elegion to a lesser extent. He’s had physical contact. He’s not directly permanently in contact, like Dr. Frank or Fred. And, again, you have Alex Collier, let’s see, Daniel Fry, Gabriel Green . . . Those are some of my primary teachers. Dr. Frank Stranges and Fred, and I did get to meet Alex personally some years ago. And then he’s come to my conference.

There’s a difference between a telepathic communication and a physical contactee that just has that real experience of that decontamination – the process of going up and the communication and some of them on mother ships. It just leads to this absolute presence that you just look at them and you . . . you know, for people who intellectually look at them from a distance and “that’s all hooey”, as you know from your multiple contactee experiences and you have your own experience with Luis there where a ship came in on cue like with our group in South America.

We hope to have that happen at Shasta this summer, but there’s this presence. Would you agree that they just have this look in their eye and their stories don’t change, and it’s very powerful. I mean, I’ve had limited experiences and my stories don’t change. But I have not had that on-going face-to-face contact.

So I just have to say that the face-to-face ones are the most bona fide for me. I would say that most of them that I know of – and I’m not talking about abductees, I just don’t go with the Travis Walton and the Whitley Strieber, bless them. But I’m not in to any Grey implant abduction scenarios left, right or center. I think that process needs to be clarified as a difference between face-to-face contact.

I think they’re all, almost every single one that I know, has been benevolent. I think they have their own perspectives and what their missions are with the Earth people. And they have their own approaches. And not every single one of them knows every bit of history of ever minutae on the Earth and many of those groups wh are contacting individuals don’t know what the other groups are doing with the other contactees!

So we have this . . . We don’t have a unified, blanket come down where every contactee says this and that and this and that. They all have a slightly different perspective on different things and are revealing different things.

But I would generally say that most of them come in peace with love in their hearts. And of these groups, I think the Venusians are pretty up there. The Pleiadians, you know, they have different historical things and what they revealed and what they don’t reveal and who they contact. You know, the Venusians are very, just generally, always extremely positive. And their civilization for some of them is based on the astral plane so they’re well above anybody from Planet X or the Pleiades or some of these physical civilizations. They’re in a higher dimension. They’re kind of beyond the physical plane already in a sense.

So it’s discernment and a processing things through our hearts. But I think if we look at the benevolent contacts, Sheldan Nidle, although he repeats a lot, my sources have indicated – one of my Venusian contacts indicated – he’s the real deal. And he has very positive intentions and I’m not sure about what he’s saying – the intel. It seems kind of repetitive to me, but I know Sheldan personally and he’s a sincere, honest guy.

Dr. Salla: Yes, he’s been around for a long time, but I do like what you said about the difference between the contactees with benevolent extraterrestrials or those who’ve had friendly contact experiences – the difference between that experience and those with telepathic communications.

You know, one of the things I’ve found with the contactees that I’ve met is that in their presence there’s this really beautiful, uplifting energy. It’s just that everyone gets lifted up to new possibilities and it really reminds me of being in … ashrams or when you’re in the presence of very spiritually-evolved people that it really is something very special when you’re around these people and like you said, their eyes light up and it’s a wonderful experience.

And I’m not surprised that these people were chosen by the extraterrestrials for those kinds of qualities, because really they’re ambassadors. They’re galactic ambassadors.

Rob: Yes, I can tell you they all have personal problems, struggles, and they’re all not perfect and they deal with a lot of stuff. But at the end of the day, they subjugate to the mission and their spiritual connection is strong. But they have . . . They’ve gone through their doubts.

Fred used to say that it was very difficult to come back off the ship. So he switched pretty early on. He got to go to the planet Lyra in the Pleiades and he actually piloted the ship once over the Air Force base we stopped and he went up for a ride.

He didn’t like coming down like Alex Collier. You know, the famous quote Alex is getting off the ship. He’s crying. He doesn’t want to come back and I love this quote from I think it was Vyasis or Moranae, excuse me Alex if I err. whoever it was, but they said, “Alex, the pain you carry is the love that you withhold.”

And that’s a very high statement and easily said intellectually, adored, but to actually process that in a physical body and to really do that is not so easy. I could talk about love and light and understand the process and meditate as much as I can. And then there’s the human element where we all, not everyone maybe, not you, Michael, but we all – I certainly fall short and I react. People attack me on the Internet and sometimes I just go . . . I respond . . . I probably shouldn’t and should just let it go.

Some people say I’m sending them, you know, porno. I can’t even create my own website. Me hacking stuff is ridiculous. But, you know, I take personal offense sometimes and I should not return anger with a snide comment. But we’re all human, so . . .

A lot of the contact experience is a tremendous burden and Luis’s really good at it. He’s always so light and loving. Dr. Frank was the same way – just always full of joy and love for God and their eyes . . . It’s a powerful thing.

Dr. Salla: Right. So you’ve decided to hold the event with Luis at Mt. Shasta in July. And I then that’s going to be followed, I think a month later, with the Secret Space Program event at Mt. Shasta at the end of August. So why did you choose Mt. Shasta for the two summer conferences?

Rob: Well, for me, actually, my son was . . . I lived there in 1995 to kind of just get out of the rat race. I was a beach boy. I never thought I would get into this mountain living so much and Mt. Shasta I thought was a short trip, but I fell in love with the mountains. I’m a beach boy and now I’m a mountain man.

There’s something so powerful there. I had so many experiences with some close contacts and some energetic overshadowing. I lived in the unique location called Morningstar. And I was having a lot of, let’s say, ascended master and ET-type revelations there. And it’s a spiritual pilgrimage location due to the fact that there is one of the largest underground bastions of the Galactic Confederation, The Great White Brotherhood, is the Mt. Shasta and adjacent area complex.

They have never been breached. They are extremely loving and powerful and will play a very big part in the future for education of humanity.

I’ve lived there on and off for 20 years. I could never really support myself. My son was born there so I’d always go back and forth during the summer and run out of money and then go back to my healing work in Southern California. I just love it.

And I have great connections there. And it just kind of happened. I started small and I’m in my sixth conference, or seventh this summer with these two. I’ve been very careful and prudent not to overextend myself and they’ve been successful.

And the great thing about these conferences, as you know, Michael, the presenters are one thing, but it’s the energy. You’re meeting 150 people who are the black sheep, understanding the spiritual information, who have felt isolated with their inner understanding. Sometimes there are sightings and communications.

And here they get to go and everybody you see, almost everyone, is very positive. And they can share stories and reaffirm their knowledge that they’ve gathered, that others are assimilating the same process.

And, of course, we’re in the shadow of Mt. Shasta. James Gilliland, when he was coming, I mean, we were having light shows every night come on down. If you want to go out and watch UFOs.“Power up!” And do that kind of thing. You could see it.

And I just love Shasta. I think it’s a great environment. It’s a little pricey because people have to travel there plus the conference fees, but I think it’s well worth it. Lifetime relationships are established. We have a Facebook page and people keep in touch

There’s a sense that . . . I like to bring the spiritual aspect to it – the process of attaining wisdom, of meditation. And the mystical side of developing ourselves through understanding our – let’s call it our – esoteric anatomy of our glandular functions and how the process of contact can take place for us individually and to reaffirm that in a group setting. That’s one of the reasons I love it. Plus, it’s just darn beautiful.

Dr. Salla: Right. Yes, I know. I have been there last year at the event. The vibration is really wonderful. The people are great. And it’s very friendly and very open and I can’t help but think that this is the kind of environment for people that are attracted there would actually be something that would lead to some kind of physical contact.

Of course, you mentioned the Inner Earth civilization and, of course, extraterrestrial, or the flying saucer craft are seen directly there…. We could imagine that there might actually be some contact, so do you think that this is one of the things that you would like to happen whether it’s at this conference or one of the future conferences that there would be a kind of contact event at your Mt. Shasta conference?

Rob: Well, I can tell you that Luis is famous for programmed contacts and that kind of contact is very possible this year. The Forest Service is giving us permission and I’m aligned with them. We’re not going to be going into any general public areas. We’re going to a non-disclosed location on a certain day at a certain time.

The second conference is more intellectual and we don’t have a contactee like Luis, who can literally bring them in, but we will stay on the property, which is very nice. So there’s a possible contact.

I’d like to say that in Dr. Frank Stranges meetings, I know for a fact I met two people from Venus there. They were telepathically communicating with me. They were from Venus, but I was kind of . . . One of them I was kind of having a cat and mouse thing. It was a girl, actually. My girlfriend at the time was jealous. Like, “What the heck stop flirting with her ?” I just shook my head. You can’t explain that kind of thing.

We had a dialect/telepathy and she kind of led me into certain areas of research. She was one on the cover of a famous picture of Valiant Thor. I believe they called her Jill. But she was in Dr. Frank Stranges inner circle meeting, and she just lit up the room, smiled at me. Every time I turned she just smiled like, “Good for you, Rob. You figured me out. But don’t say anything and let’s just have our regular conversation.” And that’s the way it was.

And there was another gentleman who initiated me in to the Order of Melchizedek, which is a thing and he wasn’t there for the two days. He came on the last day. He wasn’t there before lunch, but he was there from the after-lunch to the next break and then he was gone.

He had long blond hair to his shoulders. Extremely good looking – a guy. And when it came to put all the members put their hand on the other members and there’s a prayer and I made a pledge and an invocation, and this guy put his hand on top of my head and he locked eyes with mine and I was kind of thinking, “Oh, it’s this.” I was kind of embarrassed. I had forgotten that I had signed up for it.

Something told me, “Take this very seriously.” And when he put his hand on my head, there were electrical currents. It was a very positive experience and I thought, “I kind of want to find that guy after the thing,” and they kind of blocked my remebering ability to do the Jedi mind-trick and blocked my mind and I couldn’t look for him.

They’re very much like us. I can promise there’s probably been an ET or two at my conferences. You’ll never know. It’s just not important that that be revealed at this time. But they’re watching these type of things – especially with Luis, Alex, James. Of the guys that come to my conference, I think those guys have a very strong connection.

Cobra as well. You know, there’s a feeling that they’re watching these meetings very closely looking at people’s reactions to see who’s presenting, how it’s being presented, and if it’s coming off in a grounded way at the same time with a spiritual content. So there are contacts going on at these groups. I would say they’re not openly public, but who knows.

I would like . . . Maybe we’re with Luis, we’ll get one of those South American contacts he’s famous for where the UFO goes over the hill and three people have a contact. By the time the rest of the group gets there, they’re gone. But it could be very cool.

Dr. Salla: Yes. Why does information about Secret Space Programs have a catalyzing affect on people in the New Age and the UFO communities? People can’t seem to get enough of that information of these classified programs, so is that a sign of a global awakening?

Rob: Yeah, I think this, again, is coming from the research perspective, people are going to have felt a lot of the ETs is secret government stuff, which it has been, but I think that there is a . . . it’s more realistic for us to think about that. The revelations that they’re getting in regards to hyperspace and the science, the hard science, like on my website the Secret Space Program . . . If you click on that slider banner, there’s a gallery of photos.

I was contacted in 2011, by a guy who owned a company. And he gave me all these pictures of the technology. And you can see the advanced different technologies that they were using and lots that probably weren’t revealed. They showed little saucers and stuff.

I think people really understand now. They’re coming in through this government cover-up, the Nazi development of this technology, which goes to the mystics, the Thule Society, those women that started it with a spiritual intent and it got basically railroaded and hijacked. The contacts, all of a sudden, switched to the tall, long-nosed Greys and the hostile groups with the Hitler, you know, superior race vibe going on that really skewed the possible benevolent revelation that could have come forward at the time.

People are getting a little education and they’ll come in to the more spiritual positive elements once this dirty deeds, done dirt cheap-type of stuff that’s going on with the Secret Space Program, the Nazis, and that whole thing that’s been, you know, joining with the Dracos, allowing humans to be abducted and implanted, you know, the energetic loosh that David Wilcock talks about sucking people’s life force through fear of little children, pedophilia and murder for these Earth-based elitist . . . This stuff is so heinous, it’s just, you know, it’s hard to turn away, but it’s something that needs to be exposed.

I think the reason this is coming out now is humanity needs to understand this seamy underbelly so that we can expose it to the light of day and like a bit of mold, in the sunshine it will just dissipate and blow away. People will stop paying attention to these negative actions of the elitist criminals and simply un hook from The Matrix and the control system will be revealed for what it is and people will no longer . . . They’re going, you know what, I don’t care about my job at this point. I’m just fed up. I’m a slave.” And they’re out and they’re making their own way.

So I think part of it is for humanity to gather traction into understanding the level of cover-up. I mean, if we take Corey Goode’s information, imagine the billions of dollars that have been made on pharmaceuticals. Imagine the pain and suffering that has gone into little children with cancer and all of these horrible diseases that people have had.

And the Venusians offered this to us in ’57. They said, “We’re going to offer you help The Confederation wants to give you free energy, communication, transportation technology that kind of benevolent interaction, but you have to put away nuclear power and end all of your wars. That’s a prerequisite.”

And they just said, “Sorry, we’re not going to do it. We wouldn’t be in power.” And they said, “Yeah, give us your technology.”

And they said, “No, when we give it, we land and it goes to everyone.”

And they said, “Well, we’re already getting it from the Dracos, the Greys and Reptilians. Screw you. Stay away. You land and we’re going to hunt you down and kill you.”

And some of the people in the military, who have been following this, many of them have been compartmentalized. Many of the higher Commander Bethune, Admiral Webster, . . . I forget some of the names, the main guys. They haven’t been happy with the cover-up, but the military mind likes secrecy and power and there’s an aspect of that that when they figured it out, it was so hard . . . Who are you going to take out, because it wasn’t a political person.

The presidents and the people in the front, except for George Bush, Cheney and some of these higher . . . like the Clintons . . . are definitely in on the program and understand what’s going on for their own selfish aggrandizement. They sell their souls and create wars and all the false flags that are going on, this Orlando thing, and all that.

We have to understand that some of the individuals in there have . . . you know, who do you contact and create a cadre of resistance within the military? It is a tough nut to crack.

Some of them have been in contact with these space families and the secret technology program and developing spiritual consciousness along side of technology.

So I think there’s a cadre of them and they’re so secret and have been working in the underground space program who have not liked what’s been going on. The themes, the general tone of secrecy and murder and keep the power at all costs, because people can’t handle it. I have to agree with Cobra, that’s a lie.

Randy Cramer, I adore him. He is a true patriot and that’s a guy I want on my side. He says that the Marines have analyzed demographic data, blah, blah, blah, and the disclosure has to come a certain way or there will be chaos in the streets.

I feel there’s chaos on the planet. There’s murder, death and destruction, and people will be able to process the truth. And unlike Jack Nicholson: “You can’t handle the truth.” People can handle the truth.

It’s going to be difficult. There will be certain things that will be shocking, but we need to have this full disclosure. And, Michael, again, I told you before, I think you are the finest writer in the field of exopolitics in that you’re very grounded. You lend a sympathetic ear and you maintain your integrity as a journalist.

And I think the more enlightened and aware people out there who can do that as we move forward, we just seeing a massive explosion now of this information. It’s getting to go . . . It’s going viral, but it’s still fringy and there’s a lot of people who want to get involved very quickly and come up to speed, but they don’t have the wisdom and experience or discernment so sometimes the storyline is not as grounded to many people . . . It’ll all happen in it’s own sweet time.

Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s definitely something that’s mushrooming. There’s a snowball effect here. I’ve noticed there just seems to be more and more people being drawn to this field – the Secret Space Programs. It certainly is something that people have more attention for.

Well, Corey is going to be the featured speaker at your August Secret Space Program conference. Now, what can the public expect to hear from him and how interactive is it going to be for the audience and the speakers?

Rob: Well, the great thing is, Michael, you are coming as well. So you have, besides David Wilcock, you have the most insider contact with Corey and are dialoguing with him in regards to the history.

Now, Corey has kind of been thrust into this position. He’s an empath. I think he’s becoming more comfortable speaking, but he has kind of a shy side. And the great thing is you’re going to be able to lay the groundwork for him and I offered for him to do a presentation. I’m not sure what he’s going to present. But, we will be having at least four hours with Corey on Saturday and Sunday, which will include – and he’ll be there Friday night too – direct questions from the audience.

We’re going to hand out 3×5 cards, and we’re going to vet them for the more interesting questions. But I’m expecting a 150 to 160 people, if all goes well.

You can write multiple questions. And we’re going to vet them a little bit. They need to kind of be on point. And we’re going to have some great questions and let Corey answer them. We’ll probably have a microphone for follow-up questions, but it gets kind of time delay. So I think I’m going to read the questions directly to Corey on stage there.

Corey has a wonderful team around him. We’re going to have it professionally video-taped and sound. And I’ve tried to do this several times, but I think this time we’re really going to pull off a great recording for people who can’t make it to actually see it. The live stream energy won’t be there, but I think we’re going to pull it off this time. We cannot live stream unfortunately, folks. It’s deep in the forest and there’s no cell phone or Internet connection there.

So I think we can look forward to wonderful conversations with Corey on stage. He did say he wants to, for those involved in the Disclosure Project . . . Some of the primary people will be meeting there for the first time. And I think we’re going to have a private luncheon or two for those people who are involved in wanting to become part of the general populace to serve the awakening to the general populace – they’re our brothers and sisters.

This is real. We’re not fringe. We’re not crazies. And this needs to be revealed to the public. At the very least we’re going to get free energy and get rid of nuclear power.

Andrew Basiago says teleportation devices come in pretty quick. There’s lots of toys that can come from that, but for me, it’s an understanding of liberation and letting the truth come out. Let those Nazis go ahead and keep their little program and do their thing and we’re going to surpass them because we’re oriented in love, fellowship, unity and the common good of all.

Dr. Salla: About a month ago you did an interview with both Corey Goode and Cobra. So what did you learn from the interview? What are the highlights? What were the main lessons for those wanting to corroborate information about Secret Space Programs?

Rob: Well, one of the things I learned is that they’re both extremely busy. Just coordinately that thing took me three months on time. Corey is . . . a good family man and he takes his family life seriously and it was hard to get them together, but . . . And I love Cobra. I’ve supported him for years. I have, you know, some differences of opinion a little bit here and there. I’m a little more . . . I’m very comfortable with the word ‘God’. I don’t think it’s a machine. I think it’s a living, loving creation and certain aspects of the spiritual lineages of Light, I think, are important.

But this was a very Secret Space Program-oriented one. When I normally give an interview, I have a conversation with Cobra or something, and a lot of people think I’m just an interviewer and that’s not my personal style.

I have my own experience and I want . . . I use the interview to educate myself. So I generally have conversations and give backgrounds to questions that the audience wouldn’t know if I was to say, “Hey, Bob Renaud said this and . . .”

Unless there’s a background, people don’t get it. So usually do that. For this interview, due to them both asking the same questions, I was very regimented and disciplined and I asked direct questions to both of them.

And what I was trying to get from that interview, was a spiritual aspect to what’s going on with the good guys. Corey talks about it, but his information has been woefully – at least what I’ve seen so far – not sharing benevolent contact. It’s like we’re getting a birdseye view, but we really don’t know what they’re talking about.

We see these good guys doing this and that, but there’s really no personal . . . like Alex Collier’s very personal interactions with Morenae and Vysayus. How he’s feeling and what they’re thinking about us is bereft in Corey’s dialogue. It’s mostly very much like, “I went up there and I did this and that.” He’s not briefed on where he is going or anything so it is tough for him. So I was trying to get more of that from Corey.

And Cobra shared that side of his knowledge of the Confederation, and Corey and them basically supported each other in a lot of information in regards to the control Matrix and the technology that’s used.

They had some differences in views in what Corey calls the artificial intelligence and Cobra calls the primary anomaly in regards to it being a technology or a universal natural source. And I had to side with Cobra on that in that I feel that it is a technology that is run by, let’s call them, powerful fallen beings in direct opposition to what is considered universal law and order.

And this is something that’s still not clear to us. We’re beginning to see the differences here and we probably won’t get clarity and all of us are going to have, “Oh, I really didn’t see that one coming,” as contact, first contact, moves to the forefront and open, transparent interplanetary culture exchange takes place as oppose to the piecemeal stuff when we finally do get our benevolent Elohim, Seraphim, Family and the various non-material and material beings openly communicating it will be clearer. When our interaction history with various groups and the timelines are laid bare to us as a populace through open disclosure. Even through the United Nations, albeit a readjusted United Nations, Then with a open and free mass media that’s not controlled and we can actually judge for ourselves. And, of course, there’ll be face-to-face contacts.

We really just need to be sure that when it’s done it’s done properly. I would really suspect that if disclosure, ETs, are presented to us from Obama and the Queen of England, I’m really going to . . . I would have to agree with Alex that it’s a false flag introduction that may come forward.

I know they have plans for that. They’ve had a lot of plans that haven’t come through, though, so it’s very possible that the good guys may be able at some point to directly intervene when it’s safe enough to reveal the truth to humanity. And we can decide on our own and be happy and not happy with some of our historical contacts and get it cleared up. What’s the difference between the Sumerian’s contact and the Atlantean time.

And the Biblical stories have to be put into perspective of what’s happening – the men of renown, David and Goliath, the giant cyclops. All those kinds of things will be cleared up and we’ll definitely probably get a book of who’s who from where and how long they’ve been here and their histories and struggles to become a super civilization, and we’ll take our place amongst the stars as brothers and sisters and equals with our space family out there.

It’s an exciting time, but it’s confusing. Keep your hands and arms inside the spaceship at all times.

Dr. Salla: Well, one of the other presenters is going to be Laura Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of President Eisenhower. So why is her information important for learning about Secret Space Programs? And what are we going to hear from her?

Rob: Well, I love her. I like to call her a tigress for the Light. She is enthusiastic. She’s deep metaphysical and I actually spoke with one of my upstairs contacts the other day – upstairs, downstairs kind of thing – and they said she definitely brings the divine feminine and the Sophia energies and has a deep understanding of the mystical and religious and spiritual experience.

William James . . . all spiritual and mystical experiences have certain things in common they are transcendental are ineffable. You can’t talk about them. They’re transcendental in nature. And this is the aspect that goes beyond reason. It’s kind of like a swoon. It’s like a direct feeling consciousness. It’s kind of like, how can you explain what happens when really good music hits your soul? It touches you. It just moves you.

I mean, you could say, “Well, the resonance of the sound vibrations effect the typhonic membrane etc.” Some times you know, you’ve got to get into the feeling and that’s where the women come in. Men are centered in reason and women consciousness is centered in feeling. The grey matter in the brain, and you have grey matter in your diaphragm, and if you, huh, huh, you watch and athlete when they pant from that kind of animalistic diaphragm, that’s the center of feeling at the tip of the breastbone and that’s where women are typically very much more in tune than the masculine.

Not that men aren’t aware or can’t be with feeling and women can’t have giant intellects and be super intelligent, but until we integrate those aspects within ourselves in a positive way, the women are very in tune with feeling. Sometimes men think it’s too much and don’t acknowledge feeling and women think we’re just thick idiots because we’re not processing information from the grey matter in our diaphragm.

Laura has . . . her bona fides by her genetic grandfather and her being approached by the Secret Space Program on Mars as well . Her and I are the same way when it comes to sometimes stream of consciousness talking and all of her views on the government. She goes right to the point . . . I mean, false flags, media control, vaccinations. She’s like me, just bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. We align on almost everything.

And she is . . . got the heart space too. And women need a voice. I really am impressed and love her to death.

I’ve been trying to get her to come for years and I’m just so happy she can come this year. We’re looking forward to some great stuff from her.

Dr. Salla: Right. Well, in my presentation, I’m going to be covering a lot of the material from William Tompkins. One of the things I’ve found really very supportive coming from him was how much his information dovetails with Corey Goode’s. Bill actually read my book, Insider’s Reveal Secret Space Programs . . . a lot of it is based on Corey’s testimony. And he was really shocked at how much it matched with his own experiences in going back, right back to 1942 when he was working with the U.S. Navy… He finished working with the Navy League, [after leaving] the aerospace industry, around the year of 2000.

So it’s synchronicity and corroboration there, and what Tompkins brings in is a lot of documents, a lot of credible people, that actually support his testimony, or support him as a witness. One of the things that I did was I was able to track down a couple of the Navy officers that actually worked with Bill Tompkins when he was up in Medford, Oregon, not all that far from the Mt. Shasta area.

And actually there’s an interesting connection there with Mt. Shasta. It’s that . . . these [two] Navy officers said that Tompkins was the real deal. He was talking about extraterrestrials and that Tompkins was in charge of these special projects. Tompkins had a document basically showing that the Navy League actually was discussing these special projects. And he discussed some of them.

But one of the special projects that I thought was very interesting was that he said that a lot of the mainly retired Navy officers and the reserve Navy officers there … were pilots. And so one of the special projects was to actually track extraterrestrial visitors, or more correctly we’d say, just the flying saucers, that were entering and leaving Mt. Shasta.

That they observed these hidden entryways into Mt. Shasta. And so they had these planes up there trying to find out where the ETs were entering and leaving, and I think some of those might have been Earth civilizations. That they also actually had these off-road vehicles going up Mt. Shasta to find out, or to … find these hidden entryways.

So definitely there’s this very interesting connection with Shasta. So I’ll be talking about his information.

But what I find very encouraging with William Tompkins coming forward now . . . a year after Randy Cramer first came forward and then Corey Goode came forward in September of 2014. Then in December of last year, Bill Tompkins book appears, “Selected by Extraterrestrials”.

It seems to me, that this is part of [an orchestrated plan]. . . I mean you couldn’t plan it better, because in a way, Randy Cramer, Corey Goode, present their experience, but they have no documents. There’s no kind of professional aspect of who they are as individuals in terms of education, careers, that support, directly supports, their testimony. But they put the story out.

And then a little bit later you have Bill Tompkins coming on the scene supporting what Corey has said, what Randy Cramer has said. But in Tompkins case, he actually has the background, the professional background. He has the documentation, the corroborating witness testimony.

So what I think is happening here, it’s almost like there’s this divine script happening, because there’s a lot of professional people that say, “Ah, Corey Goode and Randy Cramer, you know, nonsense. Where’s the hard evidence?”

Those same people, when you present the data with William Tompkins, they’re eyes pop out … they say, “Well, really?” Well, this guy’s the real deal. And he’s actually supporting what Corey has said, what Randy has said.

So I think what Tompkins does is he opens it up to a much wider audience and to me it’s like this is really an incredibly divinely scripted process where these Secret Space Program whistleblowers start coming out, each one supporting what the other one has said, but opening it up to a slightly new audience because of their own backgrounds.

Rob: Absolutely, and you are a primary part of that. I want to go back to the Shasta thing a little bit. Back in the ’50s there was a road called Military Pass, and the government, they have an underground base there.

Andrew Basiago said that there’s obviously a giant command center there. They’re watching. They’re impotent. They could take their tunnel boring machines, and I promise you they have, and they’ve gone nowhere. They get stopped. The machines will overheat. They just won’t start. They’ve given up, I’m pretty sure, on any attempt to breach the Inner Earth civilization there, which I believe is completely benevolent.

If you’ve lived there for any period of time, if I have girlfriends that come close with me and they want evidence, eventually they show up and Shasta was one of the more particularly profound displays. I was with a girl and she wanted to believe and all this kind of stuff. She was kind of an atheist. She had a spiritual experience, and then she came back and was questioning me and we were over at Lake Siskiyou there and a large, golden disc went from the top of Mt. Shasta, kind of swooped down over the town, moving at a high rate of speed, and came right by us and she was like, “What was that?”

And I go, “What do you think it was?”

“Ah, ah . . .”

I said, “Maybe it was an eagle carrying a gold coin reflected from the sunlight.” You know, and she finally is just like laughed and she got it. There’s lots of stuff up there and if you have an open mind and an open heart, you’re going to see phenomenon. And the focus is not phenomenon. The focus is, “Who’s inside there? What are they doing? What is their thinking?” And if we process this information on your own over time, “How can they move so fast?” and all this stuff. Then you go into the other Secret Space Program, which is the benevolent contactees that have been on-going and paralleling the government’s program.

The interesting thing about William Tompkins is also his direct interaction with what he calls the Nordics. Who they are, but, you know, I think he’s protected. He’s 93 years old. I was a little concerned about his age and we talked about having him come, but I might have made a mistake in not bringing him, but you can certainly share his information and maybe we can get him to come up as a personal visit, a journey.

But it certainly seems a very, very powerful aspect to have this synchronistic back up, and I agree with you 100% that this is a divinely orchestrated in a synchronistic way. And the mass media just can’t stop it.

Dr. Salla: Right. Well, I’m really looking forward to the conference and presenting some of the incredible information that is coming out now. It really is picking up. There seems to be this kind of incoming of galactic energies, a heightening of awareness, the raising of vibrations, frequencies. People seem to be more open to various possibilities. So I’m very interested in presenting some of that material that I’ve got. I’ve been learning from Corey, from Bill Tompkins, and others.

So in terms of the conference logistics, how do people learn about it and how do they register?

Rob: Well, they can go to your website, and to my website, , I’m having a migration to my new site and I’ve been hacked, emails. Some weird stuff going on right now that is not functioning, But there’s plenty of seats left. Just go there and choose. You can camp on-site or off-site, if you like.

And we’ll probably have some two-day passes available towards the end near the conference date but at this point they’re not available. It’s a three-day event. Folks, you want to intend to stay all three days.

I’m think about having Laura Eisenhower kind of be our top speaker or ending speaker on Sunday night and lead a nice spiritual closing to all of our kind of intellectual, historical and these technological space program information. So she’s going to probably be closing it out before dinner on Sunday night.

We have great food there. We have dinners and then we have two fire circles that can be opened. And people just have a blast out there, singing and talking, dancing and playing music and the forest is so beautiful and the moonlight and a lot of the fun takes place in between the speakers, at the lunches, at the lake. And in the evening time especially, I have a world-class jazz musician, Clive Stevens, coming. This brother played at the World Jazz Day. He plays with people like Stan Getz, the Marsalis brothers, Herbie Hancock. He’s top-notch, world-class, and he’s going to be presenting some very high-end music as well as Ryan Marchand.

So we have some fun times in the evening, some cool slide shows. It’s going to be a blast. So check it out at Michael’s site. You can check it out on and type in ‘Shasta Summer Conference Part 2 [or click here]

It’s on my website under ‘Upcoming Events’. Just get your ticket. They are going much faster than any other conference I’ve ever had. We still have tickets, but if you’re coming, you might want to make your plans. I suggest people maybe look into, if you’re on a budget and want to stay in a hotel, you can get the Motel 6. It’s a 40-minutes drive each day, but camping – it’s a bit rustic up there. But we do have showers, toilets and food, and a very nice hall.

Thank you, so much, Michael. It’s been an honor to be with you here today.

Dr. Salla: Well, thanks, Rob. Aloha, and I look forward to catching up at Mt. Shasta.