The Sunna/Hadith are shown to be fakes, and that the origins are in a heretical Christian sect out of Petra, not out of Mecca. Islam didn't exist as we know it, before 750 CE. The apologetic is that the true text isn't a written thing, but thru people who have memorized the whole text from the beginning of the movement.

So get mad at Muhammad if you want, but he appears to be a non-historical person, same as Jesus and Moses. Umar the conquering Caliph was real, and the latter Umayyad and Abbasid caliphs are the successive inventors of a state religion, same as Constantine. The first Caliphs are shown to be Christian Arabs ... just as the Byzantines at that time, claimed. Heretics relative to Byzantium. It was during the Riddah, the early civil wars of the Arabs, that the capital was moved from Petra, to Damascus, to Baghdad. It was only after 750 CE that mosques pointed to Mecca, which was shown not to exist in olden time maps of Arabia. In an ironic sense, the Shi'ites are shown to be correct .. if we accept that Ali was a Christian Arab.

That Islam started as an Arabic Christian heresy, doesn't bother me though. It became its own predatory political/military system very quickly. And Christianity whether Byzantine, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic or Syriac ... was itself a Jewish heresy. And the Judaism of Ezra was itself a heresy of its time and place. Things only progress thru heresy, not thru orthodoxy. But orthodoxy is necessary so that religion can serve the secular authority.

btw: I just picked up the Oxford translation of the Quran for $6. Be the first time readin it for me. I dont know if it will be entertainment or if I will say these po folk is CRaZy.

I went back to the original heresy, men walking upright. Accept no derivatives. Super-cave-man! Monotheism is a heresy, for people who are arithmetic challenged. David says "you are gods" ... and nobody listens to Psalm 82:6 ;-) Jesus then quotes it in John 10:34. The stupid theologians are too scared to even touch that one.

Even Muslims don't know what the Quran is, or what it means. Think of Medieval Christians or Medieval Jews. It is an idolatry, like all other writings.

Well independent scholarship will tell you that the Quran is a pastiche reworked by Caliph Uthman, and repurposed/interpreted by the later Abbasid caliphs in Baghdad. Except the Medinah of Muhammad or Uthman ... wasn't Mecca. Mecca was an invention of those Abbasid caliphs.

What genre is the Quran? It is like a cross between Proverbs and Psalms ... and like those, was meant to be memorized. And some Muslims still do that. It used to be that a pious Jew would memorize the Psalms. One difference though, the Quran is written as if G-d is speaking, not an inspired prophet (so it claims). The Muslim propagandists did one better than the Jews or Christians. Rather than an inspired human writing, the Quran is G-d writing on the tablets on Mt Sinai, the ones that Moses broke. Petra (the city) is very near where the original story of Moses/Aaron happened, in Midian. In Muslim mythology (yes they have some) the original Quran was written by G-d, kept in Heaven, and Moses didn't break them or write them.

Your words are liesThe Islamic religion has manuscripts dating back to the era of MuhammadThis is a manuscriptYou are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThis manuscript determines the chronological age of Muhammad's messageThe Qur'an can never be distortedThe existence of one manuscript sufficient to determine the length of timeWhy can not distort the Koran?Quran words in words and tonesQuran calculated speechThere are words that are repeated with other wordsSo it can not be increased or decreasedfor exampleThe repetition of the word of the world equals the number of repetitions of the last wordRepeating the word of the man 24 times equals the number of repetitions of the female wordRepeat the word of SatanEquals the repetition of the number of seeking refuge in God 11 timesRepeat the word of the month equals 12 months of the yearThe repetition of the word life equals the number of repetitions of the word deathRepeat the word of mindEquals the frequency of the heart wordThere are many words of equal frequencyCan not distort the KoranAnd one manuscript proving the history of IslamThe question is how a person does not know the reader or the writingTo say such wordsAnd to compose that KoranThe Qur'an has evidence of its credibilityIt is the Word of GodTell the reader about the rotation of the earthHe told about the darkness at the bottom of the ocean He was told that the mountains are pegs like a tent wedgeThese things in this age only we have been able to knowI will follow IslamIslam is the truth

It's always weird seeing incoherent religious babbling in text. I can understand it spoken, because its just random words and phrases mashed up and vomited out of someone's mouth, but when you go to that degree of incoherence in text, you just wonder, do they never proof read what they say to make it even somewhat legible?