It is not the eyeball that 'sees,' it is the brain. The brain interprets the images the eyeball sends it. But if the brain is working with a flawed eye, it has to interpret flawed images of reality. Well, that is the literal truth. If you are seeing double, does that mean that the reality is double? Or is there something wrong with the eye? Although the eye is not the last arbitrer of truth, it IS the first. It is the foundation, so to speak.

That's why he says sin lies at the door.

7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

It is not the eyeball that 'sees,' it is the brain. The brain interprets the images the eyeball sends it. But if the brain is working with a flawed eye, it has to interpret flawed images of reality. Well, that is the literal truth. If you are seeing double, does that mean that the reality is double? Or is there something wrong with the eye? Although the eye is not the last arbitrer of truth, it IS the first. It is the foundation, so to speak.

That's why he says sin lies at the door.

7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

--James1

Blessed are the EYE (s) that SEE = Understanding

Your EYE = WHOLE , SOUND = complete

If your eye BE single it be FULL of LIGHT= Christ ,the LIGHT of Knowledge...

as Card said , Mixing , Babylon means CONFUSION by Mixing.

One Wine Skin of the Old Wine, another for the NEW, so BOTH be preserved...if you will, seeing one the tutor to the NEW bearing witness to ONE

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

I think people often confuse "figurative" with "spiritual." When they say this or that is "spiritual" they really mean it is figurative.

This second part helps me.

As to the first could we say Jesus is literally God?

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Gosh, I wish we could carry this over on my "Natural or Spiritual" thread.

I guess you have to define your term "God." What do you mean by "God"?

The term "God" is a title, an office. The bible does say that Jesus is God. In the sense of the biblical definition of "God" Jesus literally is God in that sense.

Now here's something interesting as to something that truly is spiritual:

1Co 10:2 and all are baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food,1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank of the spiritual Rock which followed. Now the Rock was Christ."

The literal food they ate was manna which fell from the heavens. But Paul doesn't just say they all ate manna, but that they ate "spiritual food."

Likewise, when Moses struck the rock more than he should have, water flowed out and the people drank of that water. It really was water. But Paul doesn't just say they drank water but that they drank spiritual water from a spiritual rock.

Did Jesus really metamorphize into a rock and when Moses struck Him water flowed out?

In 10:2 when they passed through the sea of weeds they were baptized into Moses without getting a drop of water on them. Were they literally burried in Moses?

Interesting, huh?

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Just because God says He will save all mankinddoes not necessarily mean He won't.

I think people often confuse "figurative" with "spiritual." When they say this or that is "spiritual" they really mean it is figurative.

This second part helps me.

As to the first could we say Jesus is literally God?

cp

Gosh, I wish we could carry this over on my "Natural or Spiritual" thread.

I guess you have to define your term "God." What do you mean by "God"?

The term "God" is a title, an office. The bible does say that Jesus is God. In the sense of the biblical definition of "God" Jesus literally is God in that sense.

Now here's something interesting as to something that truly is spiritual:

1Co 10:2 and all are baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food,1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank of the spiritual Rock which followed. Now the Rock was Christ."

The literal food they ate was manna which fell from the heavens. But Paul doesn't just say they all ate manna, but that they ate "spiritual food."

Likewise, when Moses struck the rock more than he should have, water flowed out and the people drank of that water. It really was water. But Paul doesn't just say they drank water but that they drank spiritual water from a spiritual rock.

Did Jesus really metamorphize into a rock and when Moses struck Him water flowed out?

In 10:2 when they passed through the sea of weeds they were baptized into Moses without getting a drop of water on them. Were they literally burried in Moses?

Interesting, huh?

Ya got me really thinking about spiritual vs figurative but I have another question on the word literal. It almost seems like we could use the word 'really' or 'truely' or 'in all reality' in the place of literal couldn't we?

Jesus is literally God. Jesus is really God. Jesus is truely God.

Water is literally wet. Water is, in all reality, wet. Water is truely wet.

You could say the cup wasn't really blood and the bread wasn't really His body.But you could say the cup represented His blood of the new covenant and the bread represented His body, broken for us.

The water really is wet.

Yes, but you've put in your own word there--'represent.'

That is not what he says. This is what he says--

1 Corinthians 11:24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

So then the question becomes--what is he literally saying? And, that's not such an easy question to answer.

Speaking of the Catholics, I have known Catholics who were terrified of dropping a crumb from the host for fear of defiling the literal body of Jesus. But is that really literally what he was saying? Does Jesus mean us to think that he is literally a cracker?

that's why i call it spiritual . . your mind can't see it until God reveals it. Christ was the manna, Christ was the rock . . he was the 5 stones David chose . . . he's the stone not cut by human hands . . . a figurative picture is both literal and spiritual. The literal can be physically seen and spiritually affirmed ... but the spiritual can not be literally seen, only spiritually revealed.

I know that sounds confusing, but like what we see with the rock . . . it was a literal rock that literal water flowed from. Figuratively, we can see that this is a picture of the church that gets it's life from the river of God . . . 2nd dimension always connects to a corporate body . . third dimension is the heart of the truth . the rock is Christ "in me" there is a river that flows . . .so it's both figurative and spiritual. Type and shadow . . patterned after the nature of God.

The mount of transfiguration was an event seen by natural eyes . . . yet it's also a figurative picture. Peter "saw" and wanted to give honor by building a memorial kind of thing to all three of the beings he was seeing . . . but he was stopped in his tracks . thats what literally happened . . . figuratively, the church does the same thing, they try to build ministries surrounding anything that looks like it's godly . . the corporate church . . .second dimension . . . spiritually . .. you take that figurative picture and see that Moses represents the law ,. . Elijah represents the prophets . Jesus was the manna . all three articles that were "in" the ark of the covenant. And it was hidden "beneath" the mercy seat . .which isn't a chair, but a position where Christ dwells.

These articles were lost by the Israelites way back before they even had a king yet. Eli was the high priest at the time . . .when they got the ark back. . the manna was gone and the budding staff was gone . they lost the bread and the spirit . . .all they had left to live on was the law. But that all changed at the mount of transfiguration . . . God was healing his broken heart by reestablishing the three key ingredients that make Christ who he is.

Yes, it's figurative, but the figurative leads into the spiritual. And the spiritual can only be seen when God "reveals" it to you through your relationship with him.

The other thing about the eye . . .truth be told . . . we do have "one" eye in our heads . but we don't call it that . . .we call it the pineal gland (sp?) If you do a little research on this body part . . . I believe much will begin to manifest in just how much this little organ is connected to our spiritual vision

The other thing about the eye . . .truth be told . . . we do have "one" eye in our heads . but we don't call it that . . .we call it the pineal gland (sp?) If you do a little research on this body part . . . I believe much will begin to manifest in just how much this little organ is connected to our spiritual vision

That's just my point. What is true to one is false to another yet the word 'literal' seems to be used to denote physical things or 'real things' (like only the physical is real) as opposed to things spiritual.