There you go again, trying to speak for me. There may be issues with some of the minor details of evolution but no one who is serious about science doubts that the main points are valid. That is how science works. New evidence leads to new theories. So far there has been no evidence of the "poof" theory where everything just pops into existence.

So far you have denied:
- Evolution
- The age of the earth
- The age of the Universe
- Plate tectonics
- that fault lines exist at the edge of tectonic plates

- and this is just a partial list

And I am sure if I post more common scientific knowledge that is widely accepted and taught in universities around the world you will deny that as well. The only thing you say is that the bible is right, all science is wrong and you believe that because the bible says so and the nothing will change your mind about science. And you wonder why people get tired of talking to you.

Well, Plane, I just hope people who happen across this thread actually read the whole thing, and the New World Order thread as well. Like I said before, debating with you is boring because you don''t really understand any of it. You can''t see where your "basic science" is being challenged **or** completely disproved. You can''''t even read, apparently, because I posted stuff about how major evolutionists at a major evolution conference all agreed that mutations could NOT be the force behind evolutionary change, and you still don''t get it.

I post many of the WELL KNOWN problems with all of your pet points, problems which are well known by major evolutionists, old-earth geologists, and the like, and you pretend that there are not problems and that your views are unchallengeable.

So again, I just can''t justify wasting too much more time trying to explain YOUR OWN BELIEFS to you.

River Rat, I would be happy to line out my own beliefs if you want to discuss them. I''m sure you''''d love to set out to disprove them

See, this is the part where you just don''t pay attention *or* have a sizable comprehension disability. I have no interest in disproving your beliefs. I am totally accepting of your religion and beliefs, for you. Unlike you I do not spend my time tearing down your beliefs and theories. I have said this time and time again. All I have ever demanded of anyone is that you don''t insist that I, *or* anyone else, adhere to your beliefs and theories, a philosophy shared by very few here.

quote:If your referring to my question of gods existence before anything else, it was to point out the idiocy of your demand of where was matter before the big bang.

Where''s the idiocy? I asked a valid question, you couldn''t answer it. I admit the faith that it takes to believe in Jesus and the Bible and Noah''s Flood. You won''t admit the faith it takes to believe in evolution *or* the Big Bang.

It is a perfectly valid question, btw. How did the matter get there? What was the reason for the "bang"? How did all that matter even BEGIN to escape the enormous gravitational pull that would have been in that spot had all existing matter been concentrated in a "Big Ball" *or* whatever they call it?

I do not see "impossibilities". I see that we have part of the picture, a fairly good idea of how the observable facts fit together but we are still missing some data so further study is required.

See, that is the difference. We are looking at evidence and trying to see how it fits together to understand the facts. You start with the answer and then try to bend the facts to fit your religious beliefs. We are open to changing our viewpoints based on new evidence *or* a better understanding of the total evidence. You are unwilling, based on your own admission, to change your opinion on how the world and the universe work.

That is why you come up with comments like "impossibilities" and "everyone agrees that is impossible" etc... Those kinds of comments undermine you position. I have admitted that I am willing to believe in god if there is evidence for its existence. So far you have not shown ANY evidence for the existence of god.

Most debated book..yes...and for good reason. Any book that states it is fact and is so obviously not, should be debated.

Either way, I digress. I hope your faith carries you through and in the end you get to your ''heaven''.

For me, I will live my life justly and with respect, and whatever happens, will happen. Whether I am good enough for someone else *or* not, is not my concern. I will be good enough for me, and those around me. That should be more than enough for anyone.