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Frances
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Speaking of Mars, I gather that increasing temperatures have been detected on Mars where human activity can hardly be blamed. Man-made carbon emissions—however large or undesirable—need to be set in context next to the immense power of the sun, the influence of the oceans, clouds and other forces of nature that have been impacting the earth for millions of years.

The journal American Scientist recently published a study on the melting glacier on Mount Kilimanjaro. The study confirms that air temperature around the glacier continues to be below freezing, so it is not melting because of global warming. Instead, the melt pattern of the glacier is consistent with the effect of direct radiant heat from the sun.

First, I loved the video. However I think the object they were showing was significantly larger than the dinosaur killer. Just looking at the image over land and over the city, it looked to be more than 10 km diameter.

Here's a tip: Assuming that it's not a pathological condition beyond your control, stop lying. It's really not doing you any good. While the claim that AGW isn't responsible for the melting on Kilimanjaro may have merit, American Scientist is not a science journal, and what they published was not a study.

So let's see what your post might have looked like:

Philip Mote and Georg Kaser, both authors of the IPCC report and part of the consensus on climate change, wrote a recent article in American Scientist claiming that global warming, while responsible for the melting of most of the world's glaciers, is not responsible for the melting on Kilimanjaro.

By the way, seeing as you accept the work of Mote and Kaser unquestioningly, you might be interested in Kaser's work demonstrating warming's responsibility for the vast majority of tropical glacier melting, or Mote's work on warming's effect on snowpack and water supplies in the Pacific Northwest.

Lenny, that said, temperatures in Greenland were higher in the 1940s than they are today, and the Kangerlussuaq glacier there is not shrinking but growing in size. While the ice may be melting in the Arctic, apparently it is increasing in extent in the Antarctic. Overall world temperatures have not increased since 1998 according to the statistics—whatever the case might be in particular locations.

Ti-guy, if the Liberals changed their position on AGW you'd change along with them. You may wish to watch on the sidelines and let the adults talk amongst themselves.

"Lenny, that said, temperatures in Greenland were higher in the 1940s than they are today, and the Kangerlussuaq glacier there is not shrinking but growing in size. While the ice may be melting in the Arctic, apparently it is increasing in extent in the Antarctic."

Shorter Biff: "Ok, sure I'm dishonest. But the important thing to remember isn't that 99% of glaciers are shrinking, it's that 1% aren't and I can name them all."

"Overall world temperatures have not increased since 1998 according to the statistics—whatever the case might be in particular locations."

Well, but do you disagree that significant evidence suggests that average temperatures rose by 0.6 degrees centigrade during the last century?

There is no doubt that large-scale industrial activities can have an adverse impact in particular locations, as in the larger Chinese cities. But when averaged out across the globe, it is difficult to see this being the main culprit for any overall global warming, let alone bringing us to the verge of catastrophe.

Again, we are dealing with a very imprecise science here, whatever the computer models might suggest. There are so many other variables.

I believe we have to look at the evidence regarding AGW to see where we stand, we don't need to fudge facts, or play with statistics or engage in fear-mongering. Science should be dispassionate as religion often isn't.

Lenny, before you and ti-guy level the charge of liar you may want to consider what a British court thought of that oracle of AGW aka Al "th bore" Gore.

The day before he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the English high court ruled that DVDs of Gore's documentary An Inconvenient Truth could not be shown in schools without teachers providing additional materials to correct nine "significant errors" in the film.

Among them were claims that Pacific atolls are being evacuated because of rising sea levels and that polar bears are drowning because they have to swim up to 60 miles to find ice. The court found there is "no evidence" to support either claim. Polar bears have drowned in recent times, but because of storms, not melting ice.

You can all just tirelessly recycle the same lies, distortions, etc., over and over, can't you. Of course when you get to the end you'll just start back up again with the same worn-out and discredited crapola that you've already seen refuted countless times.

Lenny, the world hasn't been getting hotter for seven years now. Not only no AGW but no GW at all.

South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires snow fell for the first time since the year 1918 ... In Peru, 200 people died from cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

You and your buddy Jay need to get a life. You're fanatics who can't deal in facts.