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Fox News Is Killing The Republican Party

For at least the past two years, former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum has been saying that Republicans have found it is they, and not Fox News, who works for the other. When it comes to Fox News (and I loosely call them that for quick identification purposes), it's not a real news outfit. It's an Opinion-shaper programmer. The following editorial states that Fox News may as well be an enemy, not an asset, to this current Republican Party.

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It does not matter how much you can demonstrate that Fox has become the master to the party and the opinion of their leagues. The bottom line is it works for them and makes money. Half of this country voted red... half. That is not failure. The finite numbers did not work out in their favor but that isn't the end of the world. 60.5 Million voted for Obama but 57.5 Million voted for Romney. That is losing but not by a whole damn bunch.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

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I am just saying I see a lot of exuberant glee about the cognitive dissonance that was the Romney Campaign yet they barely lost.

Lots of hard shit is coming up the pike and how Fox portrays it will set opinions. Tax increases, Obamacare implementation and Afghanistan withdrawal are all going to come with substantial pain. 3 million isnt that hard to sway....

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

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They didn't barely lose. They got their ass handed to them. It was never close. Romney only pulled up even with Obama one week in a year and a half, and he never got ahead.

Lets separate the urban fox legends from the truth. Obama won big, by american electoral standards, and he brought a host of other progressives in with him in an election any other politician probably would have lost.

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Oh believe me I understand the separate issue of the republican movers and shakers lying to their money men so they could keep getting cash. Obama won by less a margin than he did originally... first time a President has ever been reelected by less a margin than the origin.

Nothing has changed when it comes to legislation. They agreed to sequestration and Obama can veto a bill including taxes for over 250k so that issue goes forward after four years. But everything else can and will become a stale mate after the budget deal is felt to be shitty on republicans end of things.

Just know you heard it here first ... wink!

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Rather instructive, I think, that a user who calls him/herself "REAGAN" (implying that he/she is a "Reagan Republican" and idolizes that former President), said

reagan on Nov 10, 6:48 PM said:
I never left the Republican party. The Republican party left me

"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, WIZARD OF OZ, 1939Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education, to under-performing schools: DROP DEAD.Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying. - Terry Pratchett

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

If FOX hadn't been around during the last couple of months, Obama would have had an absolutely free ride to his re-election.

I'm sure the Obama campaign owes Fox News a gift basket or something - for living on the moon and taking all its viewership with them. So lets all say a big thank you to Roger Ailes without whose partisan wingnutty alternate reality, Republicans everywhere might have come up with a better candidate and a winning strategy.

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I dunno RB. Megyn Kelly who made such a clam mockery of Rove when he had his mini meltdown is looking for a solid news slot. She has reigned supreme and is too much of a force to sit in the early afternoon. Perhaps when her contract is up she will find a better tasting deal over at CNN and reinvigorate their message.

Still it is telling that more folks tuned into CNN for election coverage. i did as well not wanting the bias of either other source.

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^ It is very sad and exactly what some of us (from Us and Canada) were discussing in Washington last week.

Even the cable news networks had somehow been co-opted to the nakedly partisan positions and that CNN was an excellent (tragic) reflection of what had happened even to the moderate voice in news.

Sic transit gloria mundi...

Sic transit gloria Romney?

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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So basically all the Fox haters still hate fox and all the people that like them don't believe that they misled them even though reality hit them up the side of the head like a 2x4.

When everything you've been told is incorrect, and the other news agency that got the whole thing right is proven as such, the FOX viewers decide to continue to drink the Murdoch punch and roll forward.

Well good luck to the one or two hold outs for FOX. That's a dedication to an alternate reality that Obamacare provides coverage for.

We're gonna sit down and have ourselves a drink! And after we're done - after *I'm* done, you can run upstairs and take whichever one of them little pills makes you feel the best~Dolores Claiborne

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

Poor thang! Bless your heart!

If believing in "Liberal Media Bias" keeps you off the Ambien, and justified in the amount of money that you spend drinking California wine (most which is produced by ex hippie, tree huggers turned capitalist), who am I to burst that bubble?

I use to read US magazine too, but only because I thought US was about the United States, and I realized that we still live in a Democratic Republic where we're at least (partially) free to think and choose on our own.

Favorite comment quote read on Youtube: "My Laptop fell off the back of the boat, and now I have a Dell Rolling in the Deep."

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

Jack, one of these days you really need to learn the difference between reality and political fairy tales. See, in reality, the LSM had just about as many negative stories about Obama as positive ones during the election cycle.

Not that right-wingers care about facts, but one feels a duty to keep trying.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

MSNBC -- what can you say about a channel -- hard to call them a news channel when it's all opinion. They even have the same slogan as the Obama campaign had.

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, WIZARD OF OZ, 1939Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education, to under-performing schools: DROP DEAD.Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying. - Terry Pratchett

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Originally Posted by frankfrank

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

That's not all together true.

FOX NEWS doesn't separate their "Editorial Opinion" prgrams from their "News" lineup, and sometimes they claim that their "editorial opinion" is newsworthy.

Hence the distinction.

Favorite comment quote read on Youtube: "My Laptop fell off the back of the boat, and now I have a Dell Rolling in the Deep."

Re: Fox News Is Killing The Republican Party

Originally Posted by frankfrank

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

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Originally Posted by centexfarmer

Poor thang! Bless your heart!

If believing in "Liberal Media Bias" keeps you off the Ambien, and justified in the amount of money that you spend drinking California wine (most which is produced by ex hippie, tree huggers turned capitalist), who am I to burst that bubble?

I use to read US magazine too, but only because I thought US was about the United States, and I realized that we still live in a Democratic Republic where we're at least (partially) free to think and choose on our own.

OK, I'm done with you .... US Magazine? LOL

I suppose you still have your subscription to People.

PS: buy a new bucket, extra large this time

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Originally Posted by frankfrank

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

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Originally Posted by chance1

So it's "all in the name".

Lol

Really ?

More Animal Farm silliness squared

F

He said exactly the opposite.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

You're serious, aren't you.

Of course he's serious. The point is that whether a channel claims to be news or not no longer makes a difference.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "