GCP Phillies East (23-18) dropped two to the Tigers West, 3-2 and 10-1.

Game One: Victor Santos gave up 2 runs in six innings. Bailey Cummings gave up the winning run in one-third of an inning. Logan Simmons hit a 2-run HR (1). Julio Francisco went 2-3 with a double and triple.

#25 Dominic Pipkin (1-1, 2.61) – DNP

Game Two: Gabriel Cotto pitched three innings and gave up one run. Eric White and Kyle Arjona pitched scoreless innings. Daniel Vilchez suffered through two-thirds of a 9-run inning. Alejandro Made got the final out. Logan Simmons hit a solo HR (2). Luke Miller went 2-3 with a double.

Game One: Kyle Glogoski pitched six, one-hit innings. He walked three and struck out six. J.D. Hammer gave up a run but got the save in a rehab appearance. Logan O’Hoppe went 1-2 with a run scored, double, and a walk.

#14 Luis Garcia (.378) went 0-2 with a BB, K

Game Two: Leonel Aponte gave up 2 runs in four innings. Adam Cox and Sati Santa Cruz each gave up a run in an inning of work. Abrahan Gutierrez and Luis Matos had 2 hits each.

#14 Luis Garcia (.366) went 0-4 with 2 K

Lehigh Valley (70-46) lost to Indianapolis, 3-1. Tom Eshelman gave up 2 runs in six innings. Tom Windle walked the first batter he faced and was relieved during the next batter. Yacksel Rios finished the walk and then stranded the two runners. Edubray Ramos gave up a run in the eighth. Zach Green went 3-3 with a double, RBI, and walk. The IronPigs had 2 other hits.

Williamsport (22-30) lost to Mahoning Valley, 4-1. Juan Escorcia gave up 3 runs in six innings. Tyler Carr gave up an unearned run in three innings. Brayan Gonzalez went 2-3 with a double and RBI. Jonathan Guzman had 2 hits.

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LHV has a 9 game lead in their division. CLW has a .5 game lead (29 – 17) in the 2nd half. LKW has a 2.5 game lead in the 2nd half. They also won the 1st half. The GCL Phils East have a 1.5 game lead in their division. Of course, wins and losses are not the main thing in the minor leagues but there is a lot to say about playoff experience and figuring out how to win games. Plus it creates a lot of excitement for fans.

Between the young players on the major league team and the depth throughtout the system, they’ve unearthed a large number of players that will be contributing players at the major league level
I guess my major concern is other than Hoskins, nola and maybe sixto, do they have the type of A level talent ( like the Astros have produced) to be real world series contenders without hitting a home run ,( machado, harper) in free agency?

srussell….concerning the Astros, excluding the pitchers,…it appears the heart, and their core, of their position players are Altuve, Correa, Springer and now Bregman. Three of the four were high draft picks…and Altuve was a very fortunate Latin low cost signing.
If the Phillies can sign Manny…all the rest of their lineup falls into place.
Further players like JPC, Franco, Alf and Kingery were rated high, at points, during their minor league careers. So you cannot give up on them from ever developing into impact players.

“do they have the type of A level talent “….I still think within a short time frame, Haseley, Moniak and Bohm, along with Ortiz will develop into those players.

Phillies already have Nola, Hoskins, Seranthony and Doobie as potential perennials All-Start candidates so if Bohm (22 yo), Haseley (22 yo), Medina (21 yo) and Sixto (20 yo) project are expected, the Phillies will have a strong young core similar to any winning teams in the past.

Agree. My similar concern. I equated it to a system that is a mile wide and an inch deep. Would love to see a position player (maybe Haseley) that could hit for average, have a little pop and field. A good baseball IQ wouldn’t hurt.

I have to give this kid (MM) some credit – the gains are definitely beginning to look real and permanent. And he’s improving in the two areas I care about most for him at this stage of his development – plate discipline and hit tool.

Haseley’s growth is also encouraging. I’m not worried about the tepid power with him or Moniak, at least not yet. They have plenty of time to improve their power games.

He has really turned the corner! Unfortunately some people will still look at his current OBP and say well he’s not doing that great but if you break it out like you have, Hinkie, you can see a remarkable improvement. He’s found his spot in the lineup where he can thrive.

Other than Jim, you seem to have a great insight into the Phillies prospects, No matter how this season pans out, I see Klentak making some major moves this offseason. First off, is the signing of Machado. I can’t imagine a scenario where Middleton will allow himself to be outbid for him. If he goes somewhere else for less money, so be it. I’d really like to see the Phillies add another number one, or two pitcher. I expect Arrieta to slip to a number four starter next year, and Velasquez to be our number three.
This is always an unpopular decision, but I’d make Herrera, Hernandez, and Eflin available. I don’t hate them, but you have to give up something to get something, and another top notch starter would help.
My opening day lineup for next year is:
Quinn-CF
Hoskins-LF
Machado-SS
Franco-3b
Williams-RF
Santana-1B
Alfaro-C
Kingery-2B

Wawa….Herrera alone would and should bring back a sizable return.
Though his metrics have fallen a little this season, he till has those abundant raw skills belwow his shoulders, youth and more important, a very team-friendly contract, all as pluses.
Adam Eaton’s return from the Nats to the White Sox was substantial. Though Giolito has not progressed as expected, he was a top 100 prospect, at the time of the trade and the headliner in the trade’s return.. But there are still plenty of ChiSox optimism for both Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning.
I would not trade Eflin and Cesar may be a player that could be kept for awhile….depends on the long term contract that he is going to pursue.

Bohm playing today? That’s GOOD news.
Catch..Thank-you for sharing the success that Gorman is having ,I’ve been Very frustrated with other teams having Stud hitters breeze through the minor leagues,start their rookie years at age 20/21 and do VERY well and appear to be future stars.
Yet we NEVER seem to have even ONE!!! (At that age)

While I understand your frustration and also wish we had a Mike Trout at every position in our farm system. However, the Nats, for example, have had an amazing string of studs in their farm system this decade, which resulted in how many World Series championships? How many World Series appearances? I think that the metric that we would all want to use to judge success of our teams would be those, not the age that prospects make their MLB debut or the hype that surrounds them.

There are many ways to build a ball club and the Phillies are doing more than fine, but it’s always exciting to see a team develop a wunderkind every so often. It’s easy to view the existence of such players as dumb luck and, to a limited extent, it might be, but when you see the broader picture, a handful of organizations seem to develop such players on a routine basis. To the Phillies’ credit, I think they now seem to be doing this with foreign pitching talents – Sanchez and Medina are good proof of that. But with hitters, they are not faring quite as well – which doesn’t mean they are struggling, just that they are not the ones (so far) finding and developing the Sotos, Guerreros, Albies, Ramirezes, and Acunas and I don’t think this is entirely a coincidence or bad luck.

No doubt that good scouting plays a major role, but I think that we all agree that if that’s all there was to it, the success of these kids signed at 16 years old and their bonuses would have a 1:1 correlation. Many of those you mention above were not mega-bonus babies and the other 29 teams did not seem to think that it was worth outbidding the teams that eventually signed them.

Right, and yet, more often than random chance would have it, there are the Braves and Nationals finding and signing those players – just as the Phillies find and sign guys like Dominguez and Sanchez. It’s NOT all random luck.

What makes me curious is – regarding the LA position players – every year we see the Yankees, Bosox, and sometimes Texas sign the top players for scads of millions. The Braves, Dodgers,Nats, Tampa ?, sign the balance of the really top position players. Question – is it always the $$$ or is there a significant connection that makes the trainers commit to a specific MLB team year in/out ?? I have a sense that the ties to the local trainers etc. is determining where these top players go – in that vein, the Phillies are competing against “familiar relationships” , major name brands (Yankees), and their own REGULAR unwilingness to pay Ortiz type $$$ to other position players ????? Phillies have stated they are after the pitching talent but maybe at the exclusion of the position players ? Even if you weren’t a scout even hearing the ball hit Acuna’s bat tells you to sign him immediately ! Frankly, it would be great to have just one of these baby superstar Atlanta and/ or Nats LA players. Let the Dodgers and Yankees sign all the Cuban players. Comments ? my ? is, is it really the scouting ?

RU….”or is there a significant connection that makes the trainers commit to a specific MLB team year in/out ?? I “…..you hit the nail on the head.
That connection is not always made when the kids are 14 and 15 year old , and with their families.
Case in point….Venezuela….for a two/three year period the Philies and three other teams were the only ones with VSL teams in their summer league, a four team league ….the other 26 MLB orgs pulled out of there due to country unrest and strife.
You would have thought the Phillies and the other three MLB orgs would have had the prime opportunity to sign the best Ven kids…..well they did not.
Phillies signed Carlos Tocci in 2011 as their prime signing for that year
And for three years the Phillies came up short in the Ven until the Gamboa/Brito/lenin Rodrguez calss of 2014.
Marchan followed the following year.
really none of those signings have inspired future stardom, maybe Marchan.
In the meantime, some of the other 26 MLB orgs were able to get their reps in to build relationships with the 14/15 kids and their families.
Sometime its more money offered, and sometimes its the teams star allure , like the Yankees.
But IMO, the Phillies international scouting dept may be in line for adding some new faces.

How many years has it been since the phillies had a stud hitter come up through their system,start playing for the big leagues at the age of 20/21 years old and started out very well and ended up being a star player for 10 to 15 years?
I’ve been a phillies fan since 1980 before I was a teenager and I can’t think of one.

It appears that the Nats & Braves each have TWO this year? Ok..I may as well admit it,I think that I’m jealous.

i hear you- Braves also picked Drew Waters in round 2 last year (with controversial bonus that got them in some trouble), but in his first full season at age 19 they have recently moved him up to high A.
on the pitching side, at least the Nats dealt Luzardo to Oakland (with Treinen and Neuse) for Doolittle and Madson or else we’d be dealing with him at age 21 next year.

But your criteria doesn’t really fit the Phils’ development model. They spend big on three things internationally: power, defense, and pitching. Power and defense prospects don’t typically breeze through the minors. And as for the draft, they’ve been focusing more on college hitters in recent memory. Can’t call up a player by age 21 if he’s not in the system by then.

I think if you asked them they would probably say they are focused on getting the best players and while they’ve done more than okay, their scouting is not yielding a lot of hitting stars as yet.

Look, they’ve produced some decent LA hitters (Cesar, Maikel, Domingo Santana, Jonathan Villar) with more on the way so I’m certainly not crushing them, but it burns me up to see the same franchises producing one hitting prodigy after the next. It’s NOT all random.

I think some of it is certainly missing on players (many of whom were missed by all the other orgs as well), but mostly I think it’s just that some players choose teams other than the Phils. Sometimes it’s family ties. Sometimes it’s money. Sometimes it’s just that they like a different team.

I look at players like Vlad, Jr. and Eloy Jimenez. The Phils were in on them, they just didn’t sign them. I don’t know how much they offered, but I gotta figure they were at least competitive offers. But they signed elsewhere, and now they’re top 5 prospects in baseball. C’est la vie.

But I’ll tell you what they have done – they are getting really good at producing quality arms which is what Klentak said they would do. They are indeed producing pitchers in waves and I have to give them credit for that. Look, even a somewhat forgotten guy like Yacksel Rios, just as an example, has one hell of an arm and could turn into a big deal player in a very short amount of time (Rios often hits 98 and 99 – he can sling it).

So..I’ve been a phillies fan for 38 Years,and Jroll is the only name that came up? He only played 14 games in the majors when he was 21 years old,so he doesn’t really qualify.He did have a good rookie year at the age of 22.
If Moniak & Hassley pan out it will take some of the “sting” out of it,although they’ll both be older than 20/21 years old.
Focusing on drafting hitters in the US instead of signing the better Latin American hitters?? They have they same opportunity as the Nats/Braves & Blue Jays etc did to sign those guys.
If they need older/better scouts down there..Find them and hire them!
We can make excuses all day,but at the end of the day,that is what it is..Just Excuses!

Starting pitching? Yes,they have been better at it,Sixto & Medina look promising but they are not in the bigs yet.

@Barf – i think you are focusing too much on small picture (age) than the bigger picture (overall career). Chase and Howard are top hitting positional players too who became one of the best in their position. I think its unfair to just focus on the age.

JRoll is 16, for what it’s worth. wRC+ is roughly the same list with some names shifting slightly (Cesar clocks in at 15 there). Cesar debuted at 23, by the way.

So yeah, 2 generational talents in Rolen and Rollins debuted at 21. Burrell, Utley, Howard, Lieberthal, and Ruiz all debuted at later ages. And our scouting department picked up three all stars for us. I’m fine with that list.

I wouldn’t say no way, I’d trade Cesar in the off-season for a good pitcher or a top 10 prospect and let Kingery and JP fight it out for 2B in spring training. Signing Manny makes other moves so much easier. I don’t think Harper AND Manny signing here is realistic though. Throw in Corbin too while you’re at it….

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Kudos to MM. He has a a terrific stretch, and I am happy for him. Garcia may turn out to be our “elite” hitter. Early but doing extraordinary for such a young player. Haesely doing great at Reading and I would like a good month for Bohm heading into the off season.

We are watching the prospects with a magnifying glass… need to keep it into perspective. I said I’d give him till the end of the year and sure enough he has shown enough to be high on the kid. I believe his power will come as he ages, he seems like he will pack it on slowly.

Remember back to the Hamels trade rumor days … when many thought he might go to Boston… now look at how fans treated those prospects betts, bogerats, and Xavier something … time has been on their side, so I caution those who want to poo on Crawford .. and Kingery, Williams, and Alfaro. They all need time, trouble with the Phillies are… they have a lot of players who need time, so I hope the pick the best from there litter