Infernalist:Honestly, I don't see the reason for the hatred for the new Star Trek. The whole premise for the original series was 'action' combined with a morality play where the emotional(McCoy) clashes with the logical(Spock) with Kirk in the middle to weigh both sides and then save the farking day somehow or another.

Pretty much what I saw in the last Star Trek movie. All three sides of the equation were nailed by their respective actors and I look forward to seeing what they do with the next movie.

Wait, there was a morality conflict between Spock and McCoy in Star Trek 2009? Was it more than just four lines for each character? Or was it something like:

Spock: "Ensign Kirk, we must pause to consider the logical conclusions to this potential action."McCoy: "Damn your Vulcan logic!"Uhura: *strikes a sexy pose while rolling her eyes and shaking her head*Spock: "Is there something wrong with pausing to consider the potential outcomes?"McCoy: "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor, not a Computer Programmer! You talk some sense into that pointed eared Vulcan!"Sulu and Chekhov: *Look at each other in a way that says "We're totally not listening to this conversation and we're totally not gay.*Sulu: *Looks back at Chekhov with a look that says "Wait, you're not?"*Kirk: "Spock, explain to me the potential outcomes of our actions while we beam onto the Romulan ship and punch some Romulans in the face."Chekhov: *looks back at Sulu with a look that says "No! I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, I'm just not, I mean, you're a very handsome man I suppose, and I'm sure most guys would be happy to be with you, but that's not something we do in Russia. Often. Um."Spock: "A fascinating plan."Scotty: "A fas'inating plan? Tha's wha'you're calling a fas'inating plan? That's a wee bit of a cockel-rup tha' me wee bairns canna come up wif!"Spock, Kirk, Sulu, McCoy and Chekhov look at Uhura: "If any one of you asks me what I think you want to ask me, you better hope I go with Kirk and Spock so that I can kick Romulan faces in..."Kirk: "Well, that's settled. Spock, you're with me. Chekhov, you have the bridge. Sulu, you look fabulous. No one ask Uhura to translate Scotty into English. Let's go!"

"The point I'm making is that, laugh all you want, Star Trek isn't just a show (and movie series and books and games and comics and bulletin boards) - it is a part of my life. I am closer to it than to some of my cousins."

Much like furries and those 'special' individuals who froth at the brain over My Little Pony, this behaviour should not be tolerated when exhibited by adults. It should be taken as a desperate plea for castration.

Star Wars/Star Trek/Who Cares... Its all mindless low-brow entertainment with all the cultural depth and entertainment value of a dissatisfying bowel movement.

I was actually expecting them to put Rick Berman & Brannon Braga in charge of the new SW, for some reason. Fark it though, As it's been said before, nobody can really fark star wars up more then Lucas already did, it's not like Abrams is going to unmake IV-V-VI and delete them from our memories, so if your panties are in a twist, un-bunch them with your Original Edition VHS rip you pirated, I'm sure the tape is all De-gaussed from what can only be described as tri-daily playbacks in the VCR. As for people whining about the ST Timeline, one of the movie's plots was resolved by rescuing a god damn whale. Your argument is moot.

Infernalist:mjbok: Confabulat: Of all the things to complain about, the age of the characters? WTF?

It's a valid complaint, and here's why:Apart from the absolute ridiculous premise that a universe that is split two decades prior would end up with the same exact bridge crew, the crew all originally went to the academy, graduated, and had other ship assignments first because...they were all different ages. Now a person who is 12 years younger is in the same academy class? Kirk would have been approximately 26 (given four years at Star Fleet Academy) at the time he takes over as captain of the Enterprise. That means that Chekov is 14. In the altverse Chekov is 17 and a prodigy, which is why he is where he is. That means that Chekov's parents and their sperm/egg combination was exactly the same 3 years later in the altverse.

There are so many holes in the idea of who the crew of the Enterprise is in the altverse, but even if you can suspend disbelief to say that the universe did indeed split at time "x", all events prior to time "x" should have been the same. Like people being born certain places, or being born at certain times. Eventually it all comes back to the fact that the premise is profoundly retarded. The further (timewise) you get from a Genesis point of a time-split, the more differences there will be between the original (which did exist since Old Spock was still around) and the new timeline. This is not a mirror universe (lack of goatees), but a deviation of the original timeline. It is, at its core, stupid.

This post is a prime example of why, pre-JJ, people mocked and ridiculed the riduculous 'trekkies'.

You're so wrapped up in the minutiae of a series that had ground to a halt due to lack of fans...that you can't see the delights in a new Trek that brings in a new crowd of fans who don't care how the Enterprise is designed, or the paradoxes illustrated by comparing notes on exactly what was said three years apart in a comic book adaptation of a bad sc ...

Nice try, the people of Mongo are not subject to such human concepts, nor are mongoloid idiots. Did you think I was besmirching the proud Hmong people with that statement? Indeed no, I would not conflate any of those peoples with your foolishness.

A guy comes over to your house and breaks your TV. Twice. And suddenly you get a letter in the mail. It's from the guy, telling you he's tired of breaking your TV. He'd rather go over to a different house, because he found out they have a much more expensive TV to break.

Would you miss the guy? Would you feel slighted at his absence? Would you feel betrayed that suddenly you might have a different guest who treats your TV with care and respect?

Confabulat:Why is Chekov 14? Walter Koenig is the same age as George Takei.

Chekov was born in 2245. Kirk was born in 2233. This is only for the original universe. It's not the relative age of the actors, it's the relative ages of the characters. Just like how in one movie (not Trek) Sally Field played Tom Hanks girlfriend, and a decade later she played his mother.

Techhell:Farker Soze: Techhell: /Agrees about Abrams' take on Trek - it wasn't a Trek movie. It was a dumb action-comedy that actively encouraged viewers to sit back, turn off their brains and just oogle the pretty action and the wittily forgettable one-liners.

What, like ST IV and VI?

Are you trying to say that IV was... an action movie? Really? Seriously? Nah, you're just trollin' me for a response. Almost caught me.

Also, The Undiscovered Country was a pretty thoughtful post-cold war movie that dealt with the challenges of winding down decades of hostilities. It is probably my second favorite movie of the pre-reboot Trek series, after STII.

dogboy360:Ok, I have to say it.ST:TOS brought scifi mainstream. Without it SW never could have come about to become what it was.SW did have an impact on scifi. It helped make scifi stronger in the non-nerd world. Now, scifi is all around us, and has several sub-cultures within it.

/BTW, ST:TOS nerds had NASA name a shuttle "Enterprise". What has SW got?ST >SW. I still like both.

Yeah.. keep telling yourself that was because of Star Trek, and not a 200 year old Navy tradition. They may have gotten the ball rolling, but if Benedict Arnold had named his ship the Millenium Falcon, I think we all know what that shuttle would have been named.