You know you are one of the more articulate people arguing agains't religion or in favor of evolution, in any event it's nice to see that someone with the studying equivilant of a 10th grader can carry on a resonable debate....

I really doubt that, after reading more and more of your responses I can see that you are one of the many people that carry the common sterotype of Christians instead of really knowing what Christians are like. How did you come learn how EXACTLY we think? Have you been around churches? Talking to Us? didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER

Fair enough. Dave Kerwin says it comes down to PROOF. Prove your god, or better yet, invite him out wheeling, otherwise, you don't have a leg to stand on.

He's there in the air you breath and dirt you wheel on. His proof lies in the complex assembly line that is just one of your cells. God is around you all the time.

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Originally Posted by MISHOWJEEPER

I'm tearing up.. lol Think about people that need christianity to provide them with morals. Those are the scariest motherfuckers on earth. I'm pretty sure science can measure wind.

So are you calling the Founding fathers some of the Scariest Mother F***ers on earth? They used religion (Mostly christian) to form thier morals and the morals of our country. Science is a Study of God's Creation. Any solid proof you can show me, I can point it to God's beautiful Design.

I'm not trying to attack you personally, but It really does bother me when some one comes on here and claims to have common sense and then doesn't really do anything to prove thier claims about Christian delusions. I think people that form thier morals by them selves are delusional because they are merely men. I choose to look towards the Everlasting, Everloving, Just God to form my morals.

I also don't think there is a single missing link. It's an evolution that happend over a large span of time, so if they pieced together fossils of monkeys, then the stages that it took to transform into humans it would be a lot more clear.

I also don't think there is a single missing link. It's an evolution that happend over a large span of time, so if they pieced together fossils of monkeys, then the stages that it took to transform into humans it would be a lot more clear.

you bet it would, but the problem is lack of evidence. But this lack of evidence is ignored if you call yourself a non-believer, yet evolutionists ARE believers, but in something different, lol

You know you are one of the more articulate people arguing agains't religion or in favor of evolution, in any event it's nice to see that someone with the studying equivilant of a 10th grader can carry on a resonable debate....

Im impressed....

Thanks. And people don't start studying until 3rd grade, so I'm actually equivalent to a 13th grader

I really doubt that, after reading more and more of your responses I can see that you are one of the many people that carry the common sterotype of Christians instead of really knowing what Christians are like. How did you come learn how EXACTLY we think? Have you been around churches? Talking to Us? didn't think so.

He's there in the air you breath and dirt you wheel on. His proof lies in the complex assembly line that is just one of your cells. God is around you all the time.

So are you calling the Founding fathers some of the Scariest Mother F***ers on earth? They used religion (Mostly christian) to form thier morals and the morals of our country. Science is a Study of God's Creation. Any solid proof you can show me, I can point it to God's beautiful Design.

I'm not trying to attack you personally, but It really does bother me when some one comes on here and claims to have common sense and then doesn't really do anything to prove thier claims about Christian delusions. I think people that form thier morals by them selves are delusional because they are merely men. I choose to look towards the Everlasting, Everloving, Just God to form my morals.

Merely men? So what are you? wearing a jesus cape that makes bullets bounce off you? Just the way "christians" talk is amusing. You people never developed senses of self reliance, or pride, and lean on your jesus crutch. As for the founding fathers, how do you know what they believed? Religion is a tool to control masses, (glad your misguided ass is under control) As far as we know the founding fathers drank redcoat blood with dinner and skull-fucked the corpses. Don't pretend to know a mans mind that has been dead for hundreds of years. Plenty of people use religion as a tool to manipulate others, so it really comes down to that. If you're involved in religion you're either a manipulator, or you're being manipulated.

Check out a book called "One nation under God". It's a book filled with quotes from our founding fathers and othere national leaders over the years.

Soooo just like any other National leader you think they had themselves quoted 100% completely, every thought they ever had? Don't you know how ruthless you have to be to be a leader like that? Don't you think most of them avoided being quoted saying things like "check out the ass on that" or "I'm going to kill that son of a bitch"? Or do you hail them all as saints because a book of quotes tells you to? If so, which pasture do you live in?

Soooo just like any other National leader you think they had themselves quoted 100% completely, every thought they ever had? Don't you know how ruthless you have to be to be a leader like that? Don't you think most of them avoided being quoted saying things like "check out the ass on that" or "I'm going to kill that son of a bitch"? Or do you hail them all as saints because a book of quotes tells you to? If so, which pasture do you live in?

Well if you were to read the book you would find that some of those quotes are on display in Washington. Pretty hard to misquote the stuff that's behind the glass. You asked how a person knows what the founding fathers were thinking, I gave you a resource to check it out for yourself. It's not for me to interpret them, it's up to you.

Well if you were to read the book you would find that some of those quotes are on display in Washington. Pretty hard to misquote the stuff that's behind the glass. You asked how a person knows what the founding fathers were thinking, I gave you a resource to check it out for yourself. It's not for me to interpret them, it's up to you.

So what I said about these leaders quotes not being an entire representation of the man went completely over your head? Are all christians simpletons?

Whether I am a simpleton or not, or a Christian or not doesn't matter. I guess I'll say it one more time.

You asked how a person knows what the founding fathers were thinking, I gave you a resource to check it out for yourself. It's not for me to interpret them, it's up to you.

Whiterhino - you're waisting your time with this guy - He won't bother to study . . . . I allready asked him to and he said he does have the time . . . . however he has the time to respond to this post 32 times

Whether I am a simpleton or not, or a Christian or not doesn't matter. I guess I'll say it one more time.

You asked how a person knows what the founding fathers were thinking, I gave you a resource to check it out for yourself. It's not for me to interpret them, it's up to you.

And i'm telling you, for the last time, (and if I had crayons to write it down for you it might help), that Almost anybody could have a book of their quotes to display the image they choose to show the world. You think that that's an accurate representation of the man? You think maybe they would have decided to not put in print any bad things the guy had to say? A book of quotes in your mind is an exact accounting of a mans life? They were saints? Do you think it's possible that there's more to them than what was edited in a book?

And i'm telling you, for the last time, (and if I had crayons to write it down for you it might help), that Almost anybody could have a book of their quotes to display the image they choose to show the world. You think that that's an accurate representation of the man? You think maybe they would have decided to not put in print any bad things the guy had to say? A book of quotes in your mind is an exact accounting of a mans life? They were saints? Do you think it's possible that there's more to them than what was edited in a book?

Have you ever read Jeffersons papers?

He made it quite clear what he really ment with the use of the word "God".
And many other issues with the founding of this country. His words, not a bunch of quotes that someone piled together.

But I've only read the last page of this thread, maybe it was brought up already, I just don't care. Bunch of goofballs.

And i'm telling you, for the last time, (and if I had crayons to write it down for you it might help), that Almost anybody could have a book of their quotes to display the image they choose to show the world. You think that that's an accurate representation of the man? You think maybe they would have decided to not put in print any bad things the guy had to say? A book of quotes in your mind is an exact accounting of a mans life? They were saints? Do you think it's possible that there's more to them than what was edited in a book?

You are such an ass. You have no idea who I am, my religion (or lack of) my education, background or anything else but yet you choose to start making durogatory comments right from the get go when all I did was answer your question.

No, the book is not an autobiography of the founding fathers, just some excerpts. However, I would suspect if you were to go into detail studying these same people, any documentation you would find would parallel the quotes. You asked a question but refuse to even consider that it may have some enlightening information for you. You also choose to tell me that I have interpreted what is written there. Sorry, but that's not what I said.

You have an aggression towards anyone who is not 100% on board with your opinion even though you don't know what their opinion is.