<quoted text>Some religions think it sinful to have blood transfusions or operations. Some think handling snakes is God's will. No one is born a religion, they LEARN it and learn whatever rules and regs they are taught.In other days they all BELIEVED that it was God's will for white people to own less than white humans. If you had been around then, I guess you would be fine with slavery also.

Slvaery and Jin Crow were impositins upon Africans. I was and am opposede to all of that. Same sex marriage is an imnposition upon Africans. I am against that imposition also.

Libya is 98% Muslim. So why send an openly homosexual amnbassador there? Why not send him to some country where homosexuality is legal? Sending him to Africa was an impositioon upon Africans. And Africans have every right to oppose such imposition.

<quoted text>Slvaery and Jin Crow were impositins upon Africans. I was and am opposede to all of that. Same sex marriage is an imnposition upon Africans. I am against that imposition also.Libya is 98% Muslim. So why send an openly homosexual amnbassador there? Why not send him to some country where homosexuality is legal? Sending him to Africa was an impositioon upon Africans. And Africans have every right to oppose such imposition.

Really? I had a lovely relationship with an African American despite his trouble getting over his religion. he came around and finally accepted who he was, but I had moved on by then.

He found it NO imposition to be around me, however. We had a fine old time. I must say, he was far hotter than most white guys, so I guess the old "once you try black" slogan is true.

That sounded incredibly condescending. He was NOT my only African American partner, oh believe me NOT. I guess a LOT of Blacks don't find homosexuality an imposition at all. I've also known plenty of black lesbians.

<quoted text>I am not debatingt hat and do not intend to debate it. I am simply pointing out that we do not know what tomorrow will bring. We cannot measure it or quantify it in any way. We can only hope and have faith. But GOD may decide to end the world just as GOD decided to start the world. We simply do not know. And while we can gamble in the lottery. on the stock market, etc. we have no moral right to risk human life in experiemnets such as children in same sex households. Find happiness in other ways. You have no right to seek happiness by risking the lives and the futures of childfren.<quoted text>We do not know what the future will bring. I am not a gambler. Chilcren are not guinea pigs.<quoted text>I am here for a fight. I am fighting for gthe lives of innocnet children and for the future of tyraditinal family life. Find your "happiness" somewhere else.<quoted text>That is a lie. I persoanlly led the fight against interra\cial marriage in my own state. It was never azbout whaat GOD said. It was about Jim Crow. Right now, it is "gay rights" that is the new Jim Crow. You are impsoing on the African community the same way that Jim Crow imposed on the African communtiy. I am saying to you that we do not want same sex marriage. And we will not allow you to impose it on us.

I NEVER had to impose homosexuality on ANY black man. Nope. They never fought me off. Is that why you are upset, dear? Less black men for YOU? My my. Jealousy is an ugly thing.

You CLAIM to be a college grad. What kind of college? Cosmetology? Clown College? You are the WORST speller I have seen in many a year. Or, are you wearing boxing gloves while you type? I mean come ON. You are so worried about 'children', yet spelled that word wrong twice up there.

<quoted text>Yawn....."destruction" of our families? Really? I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

I do not intendto exaggerate. That is exactly as I see it. What is at stake here in nothing less than family. In my own mind, this is not about "gay marreiage". Homosexcual people also have families, mothers, fathers, etc. This is the main and primary institutionwhere we are all soclialed, education and brought up. It matters not if we are homosexuals and not. the intituion of the traditional family is good for us. That I think that must be preserved. But, at the same time, I think people like Bill and Hilary Clinton and Obama do not value family life. Let me giive details below.

Bill Clinton was not raised by his own biological father for whatever reasons. I do not know the details, but it is perception that his mother was an active prostitute or virtual prostitute. For this reason, I do not think he values family the waay way most people do.

Then cames Hilary. She is not a traditional maother type. Sheonly has one child who happens to be a girl. What role do women play as mothers to boys? I think she completely misses the boat of this issue.

Nowm, we have Obama. Obama's mother appears to havebeen a prostitutte as well. It is certain that he was born out of wedlock. It is also highly likely that his real father was a pimp.(There is reason to doubt that Bill Clinton is actually Chelsea Clinton's biolgical father.)

So we see here a whole mess about the family unit represebnted by these two presidencies. I have not even mentioned homosexuality so far.

But there is evidence that Obama's mother was a lesbian or bisexual. There is reason to believe that Hilary is a lesbian or bisexual. I do not know enough about Clinton's family to have an opinion on that.

But it is inter4esting to note that "Clinton" is not Bill Clinton's biological father. I think his real father's name was Blythe or something like that.

In any case, we have had before us imagine of flawed families for a couple of decades, now. This isdea, I think, feeds into the minds of the Afrricns at large thsat fdamily is not important. This hurts families with homosexual children also. All I want to do is to defend family (and African institutuions) within my own African community. That is all. By defintion, as a nationalist, I want to build up African institutuiions. The family is just one of several institutions that must be protected in order to solve the problems in Africa and ion our community. I have the right to do this. And to the extent that homosexcuals oppose this effort, I have no apoogies to make. I will fight for Africa. Period.

<quoted text>I NEVER had to impose homosexuality on ANY black man. Nope. They never fought me off. Is that why you are upset, dear? Less black men for YOU? My my. Jealousy is an ugly thing.You CLAIM to be a college grad. What kind of college? Cosmetology? Clown College? You are the WORST speller I have seen in many a year. Or, are you wearing boxing gloves while you type? I mean come ON. You are so worried about 'children', yet spelled that word wrong twice up there.

I am not necessarily talking about imposing homosexuality on anybody. But I notice that you took it that way anyhow. I wonder why.

I am talkimg about imposing loose moral values on the culture as whole. That is my concern. And that is why I do not support either Clinotn or Obama.

<quoted text>I said "I believe..." When in doubt, protect the children first and you cannot go wrong. It is a primary duty of all civilized society to protect children. When we fail to do this, civilization ceases to exist.....

I absolutely agree.

But you don't seem to be proposing protection just from those who would harm them. You seem to be suggesting that the that we should be "protecting" them from people who would never harm them, including their own loving parents, based only the the gender of the adults someone might be naturally attracted to.

<quoted text>I rely on common sense. GOD had given each of us the ability to know right from wrong...

As do I.

And yes, because I can rely on God's grace and the wisdom of His plans for me, I do know that being gay certainly isn't wrong - it's simply natural for some humans.

And, if falling in love, making lifelong commitments, marrying, and forming families is wrong, then it would not ONLY be wrong for people God created as gay. It would be wrong for heterosexuals as well.

We are the same species, you know.

You seem to be equating your lack of understanding as "god's will". And that can be quite dangerous.

<quoted text>70% 0f our children born outsiede tw0-parent families. Obama and KKKlinton are two homosexuals who attacked Africa. Thousrandcs of balck people were lynched. This is violating our rights to be safe and to live our own lives. How many "gay" peopkle spoke ou\t against the attackes on Libya? Not many:....

Politics is not a gay/straight issue.Foreign policy is not a gay/straight issue. Racism is not a gay/straight issue.

And the percentage of black people who are gay is the same as the same as the percentage of gay people who are white.

NO one who is sane believes that ANYONE should be persecuted for their race. Ever. Anywhere.

And no one should be persecuted for their natural sexual orientation, either, as seems common in some African countries.

<quoted text>Oh, man - you are so stupid.Do you ever have sex other than to have children? That's what I thought, skank ho.The entire town of Sodom was not gay, stupid. Read it again. And get a tutor.

Lmao at how you desperately try to justify that perversion!!! The point is dummie sure people have sex because its pleasurable but the REAL purpose is to create new humans. It's hilarious when freaks of nature try soooo hard to justify that nasty shi!!!!

<quoted text> Lmao at how you desperately try to justify that perversion!!! The point is dummie sure people have sex because its pleasurable but the REAL purpose is to create new humans. It's hilarious when freaks of nature try soooo hard to justify that nasty shi!!!!

So, every time any straight person (married or otherwise) has sex, their purpose procreation?

I hate to tell ya this, but.....

The only "nasty sh .. is what you have in your own mind. You needn't project it on others to make yourself feel better or superior.

It's certainly a reason to overturn all of the recent laws that ban same sex marriages. After all, THEY are the "re-defination", aren't they? If banning same gender couples from legally marrying was already enshrined in law from the dawn of time, why were so many amendments and statutes needed?

There is no ban on same sex marriage in any state in the USA; a same sex couple may have a religious marriage in every state without threat of prosecution. A same sex couple is allowed to negotiate for dependent benefits and coverage everywhere in the USA, without fear of dismissal. A same sex couple may travel to a jurisdiction that licenses same sex marriage and return to their home state wherever they live in the USA, without any ban or prosecution of that behavior.

Polygamy and incest marriage is banned in many states; in some states they are felonies. Not so for same sex marriage or cohabitation.

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Sorry. Laws change. If a legal restriction serves NO state interest or societal purpose, and harms Americans with no rational basis for that harm, such laws need to be "redefined". And they will be.

As long as the people approve those changes, that's not a problem. When courts start writing marriage laws, that's a problem.

No, the discrimination against gay couples makes the government's treatment of families too miserable to contemplate.

They constantly whine about discrimination, even though California has bent over backwards to accommodate same sex couples. Its as if the goal isn't their own healthy relationships but some wider objective entirely different.

Same sex marriage is an assault on the family, like welfare to single parents breaking up families. Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either fatherless or motherless. It's not good for children, to be raised without a father or a mother.

There's no orientation test for marriage; many homosexuals marry under current law. The class doesn't hold for homosexuals because they are so diverse. Many homosexuals want to keep marriage defined as one man and one woman.

Marriage isn't redefined by an amendment that says the state may only recognize one man and one woman as a married couple any more than a wheel is redefined if a state legislates anything advertised as a wheel must be round.

Our amendments to protect marriage are a response to the sale of square wheels in our state.

<quoted text>Chilcren are damaged psychological amd morally due to the lack of opposite sex family life. This is a distortion that head shrinkers are not able to measure at this point. Fot example moral distortion cannot be measured. But common senswe tells us that it a moral distortion agaionst the children. It is therefore a form or moral abuse of the children.<quoted text>It is anti-democratic propaganda. It is mind control.

BS. Explain how the children are damaged.

Opposite sex family life? FAIL

Then you admit your failure by saying it can't be measured. Ooops. FAIL AGAIN.

Moral distortion? FALSE value judgment. FAIL

You failed to make your point. Please try again. Better luck next time.

Marriage isn't redefined by an amendment that says the state may only recognize one man and one woman as a married couple any more than a wheel is redefined if a state legislates anything advertised as a wheel must be round.Our amendments to protect marriage are a response to the sale of square wheels in our state.

Marriage is not redefined, simply extended to same-sex couples and their families.

<quoted text>I am not necessarily talking about imposing homosexuality on anybody. But I notice that you took it that way anyhow. I wonder why.I am talkimg about imposing loose moral values on the culture as whole. That is my concern. And that is why I do not support either Clinotn or Obama.

Words of a sad lonely girl who can't get a date and is pissed off that the 'Brothers' prefer ME over her. Hey,don't blame ME that I know what the Brothers want more than YOU do.

<quoted text>Wow! Still whining about Bill Clinton? You're a mess. But it takes the focus off YOUR shortcomings, doesn't it?No homosexuals are opposing the institution of family. Geez..... you sure are histrionic.I think it VERY odd that you call yourself a nationalist, but never once mentioned America. If you're so hot for Africa, move. They could use another dumb cab driver.

She hates America, but is sucking up valuable national resources and breathing OUR air and using OUR water and pooping in OUR toilets, yet hates everything about this country. I too wish she would move to some intolerant country where she could be tight ass to her heart's content, day and night. 24/7.

If she saw how REAL Muslim countries treated women, she would be back here so fast it would make your head spin. For one, they would NOT allow her to use the internet! What a blessing that would be for all of us.

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