Family farms were doing just fine until they were forced out by big corps.They want profit and they want export even though we buy a ton of such
treated animals from China and other countries also, weird isn't it?

be thankful to your ancestors that they discovered cooked meats, or we would still be living in trees taking all day to much and digest
vegetation.

As far as I know ... Meat takes longer for the body to digest than vegetables ...

For decades, study after study has correlated the consumption of fatty meat, eggs, and dairy with a hardening of the arteries - atherosclerosis. When
the arteries get clogged with fatty plaque, blood can't flow to your heart, brain, and penis, and so heart attacks, strokes, and erectile
disfunction results.

I don't think it's unethical by any means but I do feel that if people had to kill their own meat very few people would. Most don't have the stomach
for it.

I like this, especially the same applies to those who have not looked closely at where they're store bought animals come from and how they live.

I was an avid hunter also and owned a butcher shop, somewhere along the line I suddenly saw the pain I caused the gore the filth the parasites the
babies without their Mothers. I changed. Many are evolving, so many people I know have become vegetarian or vegan in the last 10 years.

Here is a thought experiment for all the Veggies, would you eat GMO vegetables or non-GMO meat if those were the only two options?

I'm still having a hard time with GMO as to whether it is a scam by the organic world to justify their outrageous prices in competition or if it is
really bad for you. The best argument they have is it changes your DNA or chemical comprehensions and that is hard to swallow as a true argument.

For me both, I see nothing wrong with something like Golden Rice where they added β-Carotene from carrots to rice through GMO. Now areas where lack
of vitamin A is a real killer can get it in their rice...GMO will save us all.

It is interesting that most all plants eaten as food have been modified by Humans over time ... through cross pollination and cross cuttings
I am however very dubious about the crossing of animal genes in plants

It is interesting that most all plants eaten as food have been modified by Humans over time ... through cross pollination and cross cuttings
I am however very dubious about the crossing of animal genes in plants

Why? Do you know all life is related on earth even grass to you? A grape vine has 50% of your DNA too, so life on this planet is connected with every
other form of life here. Being planet or animal is a human term, so I don't think life really cares...hehe

originally posted by: Son of Will
You have to slaughter the cow, deal with all the blood, guts, hide, feces, not to mention the creature will try to NOT die, forcing you to dehumanize
yourself to the point where causing extreme, unnecessary suffering is not wrong...

Versus a potato.

If the two sat side by side, would you still consider the cow to be tastier? Considering all the disgusting work that you must do to the cow before it
even begins to appear tasty? You see, your comparison is deeply flawed. The same anount of work that goes into preparing slaughered animal into clean
meat, if put into potatoes, would make something easily as satisfying and vastly healthier.

Ah, but you see I don't find all the grunt work to be unpleasant or disgusting. If you do, then I salute your choice to forgo meat... now leave the
rest of us alone.

originally posted by: Son of Will
Bacteria produce B12. Not animals. And that bacteria used to be omni-present in our environment before modern water-sterilizing procedures came about.
I thought Freemasons were supposed to at least occasionally dabble in intellectualism...

See above.

Using your dopey logic the isolated portions of our planet should be able to sustain magical beings that can survive by getting their B12 from dirt
and water. Maybe you should go to one of these places and try seeing how long you live.

How is that for intellectualism?

You do understand that B12 is a bacteria? Microorganisms, primarily bacteria, are the only known organisms that manufacture B12. These bacteria often
live in bodies of water and soil. Animals get B12 by eating food and soil contaminated with these microorganisms.
It is also produced by bacteria in our intestines. Yes human intestines.

According to Marieb's 'Human Anatomy and Physiology', vitamin B12 can be destroyed by highly alkaline and highly acid conditions. This assumes that
the B12 in meat would be easily destroyed because the hydrochloric acid in our stomaches during the digestion of meat is highly acidic. This may
explain why meat-eaters are just as likely to have a B12 deficiency as vegans - even though their diet contains vitamin B12.

I think also the addition of pesticides onto plants and the Earth is not good practice
I grow organically and favour organic food ... each to their own choices

Once again I think this is organic propaganda. Here is a link to a Harvard paper on it all, and is a short read. The bottom line is what they use in
GMO is actually organic pesticides found in nature that reduces the need for the really bad synthetic pesticides that is very common and very bad for
us. They also do it for just a few crops such as corn and soybeans not for human consumption and cotton.

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