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GMOs, Part 1

As of 2012, 88% of the corn crops in the US are genetically modified. Curtis Stone, Monsanto’s Dr. Fraley & a panel of experts debate the safety of GMOs, the extent of their testing, & whether GM foods should be labeled in part one of this special.

KING: ON "LARRY KING NOW," GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS. THEY'RE PERVASIVE IN OUR FOOD SUPPLY. ARE THEY SAFE FOR US TO EAT?
GOLDBERG: EVERY SERIOUS SCIENCE ACADEMY IN THE WORLD HAVE ALL SAID THAT
GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS ARE JUST AS SAFE AS FOODS THAT ARE PRODUCED CONVENTIONALLY.
STONE: THERE WERE DOCTORS AND THERE WERE PROFESSORS THAT WENT OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH TOBACCO SMOKE EITHER. AND THEN WE LATER FOUND OUT THAT IT CAUSED CANCER.
HENNER: THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS STUDIES ABOUT G.M.O. FOODS AND THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ANIMALS HAVE HAD VERY ADVERSE EFFECTS TO G.M.O. FOODS.
GOLDBERG: QUITE HONESTLY, THAT IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF NONSENSE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD--
HENNER: WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NONSENSE.
KING: PLUS...
SALLEY: IF AN INSECT WON'T EAT IT AND A BIRD WON'T EAT IT, YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID!
KING: ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING NOW."
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KING: WELCOME TO "LARRY KING NOW." TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS IN OUR FOOD, ALSO KNOWN AS G.M.O.s, BIOTECH FOODS, TRANSGENIC CROPS, GENETIC ENGINEERING, AND, TO SOME
DETRACTORS, AS "FRANKENFOODS." IN 2012, 88% OF THE CORN CROPS IN THE UNITED STATES WERE GENETICALLY MODIFIED, AS WELL AS 93% OF SOY. AND EACH YEAR, THE PRESENCE
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OF G.M.O.s IN AMERICA'S FOOD
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SUPPLY INCREASES.
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IS THIS A WELCOME SCIENTIFIC
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ADVANCE OR A DANGER
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TO OUR HEALTH?
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HERE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE,
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CURTIS STONE--CHEF,
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"NEW YORK TIMES" BEST-SELLING
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AUTHOR, TV PERSONALITY,
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AND NOW RESTAURATEUR.
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CURTIS RECENTLY OPENED HIS FIRST
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RESTAURANT, MAUDE, WHERE HE
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FOCUSES ON SEASONAL,
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LOCALLY SOURCED INGREDIENTS.
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MAUDE OPENED TO THE PUBLIC
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FEBRUARY 1st IN BEVERLY HILLS.
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MARILU HENNER.
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THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
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BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND ACTRESS
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CURRENTLY HOSTS THE NATIONALLY
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SYNDICATED "MARILU HENNER SHOW."
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A LONGTIME HEALTH AND WELLNESS
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ADVOCATE, SHE'S ONE OF THE FEW
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PRIVATE CITIZENS SELECTED TO
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CONTRIBUTE TO THE RESHAPING OF
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THE GOVERNMENT'S FOOD PYRAMID.
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PROFESSOR BOB GOLDBERG
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IS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL
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ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
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AND PROFESSOR OF MOLECULAR
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BIOLOGY AT UCLA, NAMED ONE
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OF THE TOP 20 PROFESSORS
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IN THE SCHOOL'S HISTORY.
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HE'S BEEN USING GENETIC
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ENGINEERING IN HIS RESEARCH FOR
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THE PAST THREE DECADES.
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AND MY OLD PAL, JOHN SALLEY,
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WELLNESS ADVOCATE, TV HOST,
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NBA CHAMPION.
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JOHN IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH
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THE LOS ANGELES SCHOOL SYSTEM
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AS ITS HEALTH AND WELLNESS GURU.
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AND WE'LL BE JOINED
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AS THE SHOW PROGRESSES
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BY A VARIETY OF GUESTS
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IN OTHER LOCATIONS ON BOTH
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SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
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LET'S START FIRST
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WITH DR. GOLDBERG.
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PROFESSOR, WHAT IS G--
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WHAT IS A G.M.O.?
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GOLDBERG: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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INSERTING GENES IN ORGANISMS
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FOR WHICH, ESSENTIALLY,
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THEY WEREN'T BORN WITH.
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ITS A VERY POWERFUL TECHNIQUE
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BUT IT'S AN OLD TECHNIQUE.
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KING: HOW OLD?
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GOLDBERG: 40 YEARS.
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40 YEARS--FOUR DECADES.
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KING: DID SOMEONE INVENT IT?
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GOLDBERG: YEAH, IT WAS INVENTED
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IN 1973 EXACTLY.
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HENNER: NOVEMBER THE 23rd.
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GOLDBERG: NOVEMBER THE 23rd.
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KING: AND ITS PURPOSE WAS?
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GOLDBERG: THE PURPOSE WAS,
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ORIGINALLY, TO BE ABLE TO STUDY
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THE GENES AND THE BIOLOGY
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OF LIVING ORGANISMS, AND IT'S
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LED TO A TREMENDOUS REVOLUTION
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IN BIOLOGY, A TREMENDOUS
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REVOLUTION IN BIOTECHNOLOGY.
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KING: SO YOU SEE NO NEGATIVE
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TO IT?
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GOLDBERG: I--YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T
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ALWAYS SAY THAT THERE'S
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A NEGATIVE, BUT I THINK YOU
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NEED TO TAKE IT ON
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A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
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THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GENETIC
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ENGINEERING OVER THE LAST 40
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YEARS HAS SAVED HUNDREDS AND
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HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES.
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KING: IN THE FOOD AREA,
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HAS IT IMPROVED THE FOOD WE EAT?
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GOLDBERG: OH, IT'S BEEN
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TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN
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AGRICULTURE, PARTICULARLY IN
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THE DEVELOPING WORLD.
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THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS STUDIES
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DONE BY THE UNITED NATIONS
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AND THE FOOD AND AGRICULTURE
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ORGANIZATION.
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KING: AND WE MODIFY IT
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IN ORDER TO?
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GOLDBERG: WELL, WE'VE BEEN
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MODIFYING FOODS
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FOR 10,000 YEARS.
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KING: IN ORDER TO?
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GOLDBERG: IN ORDER TO
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IMPROVE ITS YIELD--
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KING: MAKE THEM SAFER?
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GOLDBERG: NOT NECESSARILY MAKE
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THEM SAFER, ALTHOUGH THEY
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ARE SAFER, BUT TO INCREASE
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YIELD, TO ALLOW THEM TO GROW--
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US TO GROW MORE ON LESS LAND,
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TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF
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PESTICIDES, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT
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OF FERTILIZER, TO SAVE SOIL,
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AND TO MAKE THEM MORE
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NUTRITIONALLY BALANCED.
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KING: OKAY, LET'S
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GET INTO THE PANEL.
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CURTIS, WHAT'S THE RUB?
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STONE: LOOK, I MEAN, AS SOON
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AS YOU START MESSING AROUND
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WITH FOOD, I THINK THAT YOU
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NEED TO HAVE A LONG RESEARCH
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PROCESS THAT GOES INTO THE
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EFFECTS OF WHAT WE'RE
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DOING WITH THE FOOD.
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SO WHEN IT COMES TO GENETICALLY
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MODIFYING THE INGREDIENTS THAT
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WE USE, I REALLY THINK THAT--
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YOU MENTIONED IT'S BEEN
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HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME.
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40 YEARS, TO ME,
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ISN'T A LONG TIME.
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YOU KNOW, MOST OF US SITTING
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AROUND THIS TABLE HAVE BEEN
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LIVING LONGER THAN THAT, AND
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WE'VE BEEN EATING FOOD
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FOR CENTURIES.
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I THINK THAT WHERE THAT RESEARCH
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COMES FROM IS REALLY IMPORTANT
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AND WHO IT'S FUNDED BY
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IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK
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WORLDWIDE, THERE'S OVER 60
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DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
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YOU MENTIONED DEVELOPING
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COUNTRIES, BUT THE DEVELOPED
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WORLD HAS A VERY DIFFERENT
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PERSPECTIVE ON IT THAN WHAT
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THE U.S. HAS.
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60 COUNTRIES THROUGHOUT THE
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WORLD HAVE EITHER
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VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS
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OR TOTAL BANS ON G.M.O.s.
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HENNER: YES.
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KING: WHEN YOU SAY "COMPANIES,"
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ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S SOMETHING
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SINISTER GOING ON HERE?
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THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE MAKING
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PRODUCTS THAT THEY WANT
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TO BE USED IN THIS?
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STONE: WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
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THE LABELING, YOU KNOW--
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OF COURSE, THE BIG COMPANIES
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THAT USE GENETICALLY MODIFIED
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INGREDIENTS DON'T WANT LABELS
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BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT 53%
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OF AMERICANS WOULD CHOOSE
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NOT TO PURCHASE G.M.O. PRODUCTS.
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AND 91% OF AMERICANS
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WANT IT LABELED, BUT--
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KING: WOULD CHOOSE NOT
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TO PURCHASE IT?
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STONE: WOULD CHOOSE NOT
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TO PURCHASE IT, THAT'S RIGHT.
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HENNER: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
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KING: WHY, MARILU?
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HENNER: I THINK THAT YOU CANNOT
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STOP PEOPLE WANTING TO KNOW
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WHAT'S IN THEIR FOOD, DEMANDING
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MORE INFORMATION, WANTING TO
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PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN MORE.
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AND THE IDEA THAT THERE WOULD BE
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A COMPANY THAT WOULD SPEND
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$7.1 MILLION JUST TO KEEP
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PROPOSITION 37 OFF OF, YOU KNOW,
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THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE,
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THEN YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT
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THEY'VE GOT A VESTED INTEREST.
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KING: WHAT DOES THAT SAY?
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HENNER: IT SAYS THAT THEY DON'T
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WANT THE LABELING ON THEIR FOOD
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BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THIS WAY.
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YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM
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WANTING TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.
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THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS
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STUDIES IN MANY, MANY, MANY
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DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ABOUT G.M.O.
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FOODS AND THE IDEA THAT, YOU
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KNOW, CERTAIN ANIMALS,
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WHETHER IT'S HAMSTERS, WHETHER
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IT'S PIGS, WHETHER IT'S RATS--
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WHATEVER--HAVE HAD VERY ADVERSE
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EFFECTS TO G.M.O. FOODS.
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AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR
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KIDS--NOW, WE ARE BREAKING DOWN.
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WE ARE NOT AS HARDY AS WE USED
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TO BE, AND THE GENERATION COMING
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UP IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE
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FIRST GENERATION THAT DOESN'T
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LIVE AS LONG OR AS HEALTHY
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AS THEIR PARENTS.
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KING: BUT WE'RE LIVING LONGER.
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HENNER: WE'RE LIVING LONGER,
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BUT OUR KIDS ARE NOT,
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AND THE THING IS--
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WELL, EVERY STAT I'VE EVER READ.
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KING: I'LL HELP BOB.
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BOB, YOU'RE GONNA GET A CHANCE.
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YOU'RE OUTMANNED HERE.
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GOLDBERG: I KNOW.
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I'M GANGED-UP ON.
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KING: I WILL STICK UP FOR YOU.
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GOLDBERG: I'M JUST A
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SIMPLE PROFESSOR HERE.
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HENNER: [laughs] IT'S OKAY.
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KING: IS THE PUBLIC WORRIED
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ABOUT THIS, JOHN?
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SALLEY: I-I--THE PUBLIC
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IS REALLY, REALLY
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NOT INFORMED PROPERLY.
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HERE, IN CALIFORNIA--SHE JUST
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MENTIONED THE PROPOSITION TO
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HAVE US KNOW
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WITH THE LABELING THEM.
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THEY SAID "NO" TO THE LABELING.
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THEY PAID FOR US TO SAY, "NO.
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WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE--
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IT'S GONNA COST MORE MONEY.
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IF WE PUT LABELS ON IT,
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IT'S GONNA COST MORE MONEY
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TO THE PUBLIC."
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HENNER: AND IT'S
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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THAT WAS THE OTHER THING
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MENTIONED.
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SALLEY: BUT IF YOU'RE A PORN
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STAR, YOU HAVE TO USE A CONDOM.
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WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR THAT.
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WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHAT YOU
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HAVE TO DO OVER THERE, BUT
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WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE
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FOR WHAT'S IN OUR FOOD.
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WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHAT'S ON--
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KING: BUT AREN'T YOU
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IMPRESSED WITH THIS PROFESSOR...
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SALLEY: I AM SO IMPRESSED.
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KING: ONE OF THE MOST--
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HENNER: HE'S A BLAST.
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KING: ONE OF THE 20
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MOST DISTINGUISHED EVER...
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SALLEY: HE IS.
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KING: WHO TELLS YOU IT'S OKAY.
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SALLEY: YEAH, BUT THIS IS
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THE FUNNIEST THING.
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HE IS A PROFESSOR AT UCLA.
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AND HE--AND I THINK
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YOU'RE WONDERFUL MAN.
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GOLDBERG: YOU DON'T KNOW ME,
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BUT THANK YOU.
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SALLEY: I'M GONNA DO SOME
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RESEARCH ON IT.
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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO
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KNOW IS THAT I'M 7', AND I DO
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KNOW THAT YAO MING IS FROM
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CHINA, HE'S 7'7", AND I DO KNOW
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THAT KIDS ARE GETTIN' BIGGER,
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AND I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE,
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RIGHT NOW, FOUR KIDS AT 14 YEARS
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OLD THAT ARE 300 POUNDS,
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AND THAT CANNOT BE
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FROM EATING HEALTHY FOOD.
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HENNER: NO.
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KING: ALL RIGHT.
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LET ME GET IT BACK.
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GOLDBERG: BUT THAT HAS
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO
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WITH G.M.O.s.
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SALLEY: YEAH, IT HAS EVERYTHING
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TO DO WITH G.M.O.s.
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GOLDBERG: NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE
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ANYTHING TO DO WITH G.M.O.s.
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SALLEY: 'CAUSE EVERYTHING
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THAT THEY EAT--
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YOU JUST SAID IT'S
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90% OF THE FOOD IS G.M.O.
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GOLDBERG: NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
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SALLEY: YEAH, YOU DID.
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KING: ALL RIGHT.
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LET ME GET IT RIGHT.
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I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED
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OTHER PEOPLE 'CAUSE THIS
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PANEL COULD GO FOR HOURS, BUT...
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HENNER: [laughs] YEAH.
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KING: COMING UP, WE'LL BE JOINED
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BY CHIPOTLE'S CHIEF MARKETING
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OFFICER, MARK CRUMPACKER,
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TO DISCUSS THE COMPANY'S
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UNIQUE STANCE ON G.M.O.s.
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WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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KING: WE'RE NOW JOINED
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BY MARK CRUMPACKER.
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HE'S THE CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER
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OF CHIPOTLE.
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SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1993,
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CHIPOTLE HAS OPENED MORE THAN
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1,600 LOCATIONS, AND MY
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TWO CHILDREN GO TO TWO
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OF THEM EVERY DAY.
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[laughter]
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OKAY.
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MARK, YOU HAVE HEARD
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THE OPENING OF THE DISCUSSION.
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WHAT IS THE CHIPOTLE POSITION
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ON G.M.O.s?
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CRUMPACKER: SO, CHIPOTLE'S
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STANCE ON G.M.O.s IS THAT WE
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DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A
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SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT
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THEY'RE SAFE, EITHER FOR HUMAN
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CONSUMPTION OR ANIMAL
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CONSUMPTION.
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AND UNTIL WE BELIEVE SUCH A
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CONSENSUS ACTUALLY EXISTS
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IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY,
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WE FEEL IT'S BEST TO NOT ONLY
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TO DISCLOSE THAT WE HAVE SOME
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G.M.O.s ON OUR MENU, BUT THEN
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TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFF--
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CONCERTED EFFORT TO REMOVE
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ALL OF THEM, TO THE EXTENT
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POSSIBLE, FROM OUR MENU.
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KING: UH-HUH.
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SO, WE--THERE'S NO G.M.O.s
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AT CHIPOTLE, OR THERE ARE AND
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WE--YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM?
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CRUMPACKER: WELL, THERE ARE
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G.M.O.s AT CHIPOTLE.
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ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO,
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IN MARCH OF 2013, WE DECIDED TO
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DISCLOSE WHAT G.M.O.s WERE ON
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THE MENU, AND AS WE LOOKED INTO
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IT, WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE
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A COUPLE OF CULPRITS.
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ONE WAS SOY OIL, WHICH IS USED
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IN A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS AT
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CHIPOTLE, AND--YOU KNOW, USUALLY
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TO LUBRICATE A PAN OR AS AN
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INGREDIENT IN SOMETHING.
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AND THEN, IN OUR CORN AND FLOUR
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TORTILLAS, THERE WAS SOME--
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WERE SOME G.M.O.s.
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SO WE FAIRLY QUICKLY WERE ABLE
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TO ELIMINATE THE SOY OIL AND
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SWITCH TO SUNFLOWER AND
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RICE BRAN OIL, SO THAT
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ELIMINATED THE G.M.O.s FROM
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ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THE MENU.
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THE ONLY REMAINING ITEMS ARE
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THE CORN AND FLOUR TORTILLAS.
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THE CORN TORTILLAS AND CHIPS
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ARE ACTUALLY, OBVIOUSLY,
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MADE OF CORN, SO WE'RE FINDING
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NON-G.M.O. CORN FOR THOSE.
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AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CORN
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STARCH IN THE FLOUR TORTILLAS,
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SO WE'RE ON--IN THE PROCESS
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OF REMOVING THAT.
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SO BY THE END OF 2014,
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WE EXPECT ALL OF OUR INGREDIENTS
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AT CHIPOTLE TO BE NON-G.M.O.
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KING: OKAY, BOB.
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WHY IS HE AND THIS PANEL WRONG?
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GOLDBERG: YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S
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NOT BASED ON SCIENCE.
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IT'S BASED ON A CONCERTED,
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FRANKLY DEPRESSING, ANTI-SCIENCE
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CAMPAIGN THAT'S BEEN GOING ON
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FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS.
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KING: CONDUCTED BY WHO?
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GOLDBERG: IT'S BEEN A CONCERTED
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CAMPAIGN BY PEOPLE WHO FEEL
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THAT NATURAL IS BETTER, BACK
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TO NATURE IS BETTER, ORGANIC
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IS BETTER, AND THAT'S NOT
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NECESSARILY TRUE, BECAUSE THE
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SCIENCE DOESN'T BEAR IT OUT.
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EVERY SERIOUS SCIENCE ACADEMY
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IN THE WORLD--
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THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF
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SCIENCES, THE ROYAL SOCIETY,
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THE UNITED NATIONS FOOD AND
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AGRICULTURAL ORGANIZATION,
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THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR
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THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE,
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THE AMERICAN MEDICAL
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ASSOCIATION--HAVE ALL SAID THAT
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GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS
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ARE JUST AS SAFE AS THINGS--
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AS FOODS THAT ARE
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PRODUCED CONVENTIONALLY.
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HENNER: WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN
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ACADEMY OF ENVIRONMENTAL
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MEDICINE?
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WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE
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OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE
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GOTTEN INVOLVED?
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WHAT ABOUT JUST SEEING THAT
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WE HAVE MORE ALLERGENS, MORE
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AUTISM, AND SINCE 1973--
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NOVEMBER THE 23RD--WE HAVE--
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WE HAVE BECOME MUCH SICKER.
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THAT KIND OF RESEARCH
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ISN'T EVEN LONG ENOUGH
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FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TELL.
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GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, MARILU,
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QUITE HONESTLY--QUITE HONESTLY,
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THAT IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH
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OF NONSENSE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD
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IN MY ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC CAREER.
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HENNER: I THINK WHAT YOU'RE
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SAYING IS NONSENSE.
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GOLDBERG: THERE'S 1,700 PEER-
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REVIEWED PUBLICATIONS
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THAT STATE THAT THESE PLANTS...
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SALLEY: FUNDED BY WHO?
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HENNER: BECAUSE THEY WANT
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TO KEEP PLAYING.
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GOLDBERG: FUNDED BY NATIONAL
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SCIENCE FOUNDATION, U.S.
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DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.
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HENNER: THEY WANT TO KEEP
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PLAYING IN THEIR LABORATORY,
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OF COURSE.
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GOLDBERG: WAIT A SECOND.
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THE EUROPEAN FOOD SAFETY
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ORGANIZATION--EUROPEAN--
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SPENT A $1/2 BILLION OVER
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THE LAST TEN YEARS, HAD JUST
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PUBLISHED A REPORT DONE BY
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SCIENTISTS AT INSTITUTIONS
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AND UNIVERSITIES
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ALL OVER EUROPE.
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THEY DID MORE STUDIES ON THESE
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FOODS THAN ANYONE COULD EVER
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IMAGINE, AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT
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THERE'S NO DOCUMENTED
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SAFETY HAZARD TO GENETICALLY
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MODIFIED PLANTS.
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HENNER: THEN WHY IS THERE
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SUCH A PROBLEM WITH LABELING IT?
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WHY IS THERE SUCH A PROBLEM?
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WHY ARE PEOPLE SPENDING
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SO MUCH MONEY TO PROTECT--
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KING: SO, WHAT--ALL RIGHT.
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HENNER: OKAY, IF IT'S
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SO WONDERFUL--
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KING: WHY NOT LABEL IT?
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HENNER: WHY AREN'T WE
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ALLOWED TO LABEL?
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GOLDBERG: SO, LET ME JUST,
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IN THE SENSE OF FULL DISCLOSURE,
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SAY THAT I WROTE THE ARGUMENTS
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AGAINST LABELING
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FOR PROPOSITION 37
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ON THE CALIFORNIA BALLOT.
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KING: BECAUSE?
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GOLDBERG: AND THERE WERE TWO
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REASONS WHY I FELT VERY STRONGLY
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ABOUT THAT.
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ONE, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT
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THE TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE I THINK
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WE REALLY NEED THIS TECHNOLOGY,
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BECAUSE WE'RE FACING VARIOUS--
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KING: SO, YOU THINK IF YOU
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LABEL IT, PEOPLE WON'T BUY IT?
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GOLDBERG: EXACTLY.
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KING: SO, YOU THINK WHEN IT'S
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LABELED, PEOPLE WILL REACT
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NEGATIVELY BECAUSE IT'S LABELED?
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GOLDBERG: AND THE SECOND REASON
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IS THAT YOU LABEL THINGS
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BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PRODUCT HAS.
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YOU DON'T LABEL A PROCESS.
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AND GENETIC ENGINEERING IS
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A PROCESS, AND WHAT WE DO IN MY
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LAB AND IN LITERALLY THOUSANDS
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OF LABS ACROSS THE WORLD IS NO
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DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN DONE
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FOR 10,000 YEARS.
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IF I MAKE A BIG TOMATO IN MY
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LAB, WHICH I DON'T, BUT IF I DID
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BY ADDING A GENE, THAT'S EXACTLY
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THE SAME GENE THAT WAS USED
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IN CONVENTIONAL BREEDING
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TO MAKE A BIG TOMATO.
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KING: DO YOU HAVE
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GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD?
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STONE: ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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KING: NONE IN YOUR RESTAURANT?
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STONE: NO.
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KING: MARK?
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CRUMPACKER: YEAH.
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KING: THIS IS A LITTLE
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REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY HERE.
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IS CHIPOTLE SAYING, "WE'RE GONNA
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BE SMART AND SAY THAT PEOPLE
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FEAR G.M.O.s, SO WE'RE GONNA
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PLUG THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE
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THEM, OR HAVE VERY LITTLE OF
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THEM, SO THAT MORE PEOPLE
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WILL COME TO US BASED ON
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THEIR FEAR OF THE OTHER FOODS?"
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CRUMPACKER: THE REASON WE WANT
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TO REMOVE G.M.O.s FROM OUR MENU
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IS THAT WE DON'T AGREE THAT
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THERE'S A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
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THAT THEY'RE--THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
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JUST BECAUSE A STUDY IS
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PEER-REVIEWED DOESN'T MEAN
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THAT IT'S ACCURATE.
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YOU KNOW, THE LONG-TERM
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STUDIES--I MEAN, WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM HERE.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY
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LONG-TERM, LONGER THAN ANY
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STUDIES HERE HAVE ACTUALLY
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SPANNED--AND SO WE JUST DON'T
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AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S
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A CON--A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
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THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
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THERE MAY NOT BE YET EVIDENCE
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OF PARTICULAR HEALTH-RELATED
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CONCERNS.
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THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE SAFE.
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SO AT CHIPOTLE, IT'S OUR GOAL
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TO SERVE THE VERY HIGHEST
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QUALITY INGREDIENTS, AND WE JUST
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CAN'T FIND THE SUPPORT TO
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SUGGEST THAT THESE INGREDIENTS
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ARE SAFE, EITHER FOR HUMAN
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CONSUMPTION OR, FRANKLY,
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FOR THE CONSUMPTION
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OF LIVESTOCK USED AS MEAT.
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GOLDBERG: SO I THINK
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LARRY'S CORRECT.
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KING: SO WHEN I GO TO A STORE
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NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF A FOOD IS--
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HENNER: WELL, IF YOU GET
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ORGANIC, IT'S NOT G.M.O.
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CERTIFIED ORGANIC MEANS
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IT'S NOT G.M.O.
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KING: ALL RIGHT, MARK,
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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CRUMPACKER: YOU'RE WELCOME.
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KING: MONSANTO IS ONE OF
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THE BIGGEST NAMES
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IN GENETIC ENGINEERING.
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IN OUR NEXT SEGMENT, WE'LL
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BE JOINED BY ITS EXECUTIVE
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VICE PRESIDENT, DR. ROB FRALEY.
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STAY WITH US.
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KING: WE ARE DOING TWO PROGRAMS
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ON THIS, A FULL HOUR DEVOTED TO
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IT, BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
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JOINING US NOW, THE PANEL
00:15:06:17 --:--:--:--
REMAINS OF COURSE,
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IS DR. ROBERT FRALEY.
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HE'S THE EXECUTIVE VICE
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PRESIDENT, CHIEF TECHNOLOGY
00:15:12:01 --:--:--:--
OFFICER OF MONSANTO.
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THAT'S A LEADING PRODUCER
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OF GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SEED.
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DR. FRALEY IS ALSO THE 2012
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RECIPIENT OF THE WORLD FOOD
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PRIZE, DUBBED, BY THE WAY,
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THE NOBEL PRIZE OF FOOD.
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YOU ARE A SUPPORTER
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OF G.M.O.s, RIGHT?
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FRALEY: YEAH, I'M A SUPPORTER
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AS A SCIENTIST WHO'S BEEN
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INVOLVED WITH IT HIS WHOLE
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CAREER, AS A DAD WHO'S GOT THREE
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KIDS, AND, YOU KNOW, AS A YOUNG
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MAN WHO GREW UP ON A FARM IN
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THE MIDWEST AND SPENT A LOT OF
00:15:43:18 --:--:--:--
TIME THINKING ABOUT AGRICULTURE
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AND FOOD PRODUCTION.
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I THINK THESE ARE REALLY
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IMPORTANT TECHNOLOGIES,
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IMPORTANT TOOLS, AS WE THINK
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ABOUT FOOD PRODUCTION TODAY,
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BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY,
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THINK ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF
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PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, TWICE AS
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MUCH FOOD IN JUST A FEW YEARS.
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KING: ARE YOU SAYING THAT
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WHEN MONSANTO GOT INTO THIS,
00:16:03:13 --:--:--:--
YOU'RE MAKING FOOD HEALTHIER?
00:16:06:19 --:--:--:--
FRALEY: ABSOLUTELY.
00:16:08:05 --:--:--:--
YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT
00:16:10:00 --:--:--:--
I'M SURE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT
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WITH BIOTECHNOLOGY ARE REALLY
00:16:13:05 --:--:--:--
AN EXTENSION OF THE GENETIC
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MODIFICATION AND BREEDING
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TECHNIQUES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAN
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HAS BEEN USING SINCE THE
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BEGINNING OF TIME, AND WE'VE
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RELIED ON THAT TO PRODUCE,
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YOU KNOW, THE BETTER CROPS,
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THE BETTER FRUITS AND VEGETABLES
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THAT HAVE ENABLED US TO HAVE THE
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KIND OF CHOICES THAT CONSUMERS
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HAVE TODAY.
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AND THESE TOOLS HAVE HELPED
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FARMERS HERE IN THE U.S. AND
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AROUND THE WORLD, AND THEY ARE
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AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE
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ARSENAL AS WE THINK ABOUT
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PRODUCING MORE FOOD, FACING THE
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CHALLENGES OF CLIMATE CHANGE,
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AND, YOU KNOW, DOUBLING
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THE FOOD SUPPLY.
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KING: HOW MUCH OF THE MARKET
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DOES MONSANTO CONTROL?
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FRALEY: UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
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THINGS THAT MAKES THAT SO HARD
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TO ANSWER IS WE'VE LICENSED
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OUR TECHNOLOGY TO HUNDREDS
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OF COMPANIES IN THE UNITED
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STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD,
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AND SO VARIOUS COMPANIES USE
00:17:01:23 --:--:--:--
SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY
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WE'VE DEVELOPED.
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FROM A PURE SEED PERSPECTIVE,
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IF I JUST FOCUS ON THE U.S.,
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OUR MARKET SHARE IN CORN,
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IN SOY BEANS, AND VEGETABLES IS
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ABOUT 25% OR SO OF THE MARKET.
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HENNER: HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU
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GIVEN TO THE UNITED STATES
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GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO KEEP
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SUPPORTING MONSANTO'S G.M.O.,
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AND HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND
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AVOIDING G.M.O. LABELING?
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FRALEY: UH, A LOT
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OF QUESTIONS THERE.
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SO, LIKE A LOT OF COMPANIES,
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WE LOBBY ON BEHALF OF OUR FARMER
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CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT
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THE--THAT, YOU KNOW,
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THEIR ISSUES ARE UNDERSTOOD
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AND APPRECIATED.
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I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
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UNUSUAL OR ATYPICAL
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ABOUT OUR LOBBYING EFFORTS.
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IN TERMS OF THE FOOD LABELING,
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I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY
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CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT
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THE INDUSTRY AND WHAT MONSANTO
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CONTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW,
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BOTH IN CALIFORNIA AND IN--
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HENNER: BUT HOW MUCH?
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CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH,
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IN BOTH CASES?
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'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T ANSWER
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MY FIRST QUESTION.
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FRALEY: I DON'T REALLY HAVE
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THE SPECIFICS,
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BUT IT'S IMPORTANT.
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I'D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP
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WITH YOU.
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SALLEY: WOW.
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I GOT TO LEARN TO DO THAT.
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YOU KNOW WHAT? HE COULD--
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THAT'S LIKE A CURVEBALL.
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GOLDBERG: HE'S GOOD.
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SALLEY: HE COULD HIT A
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CURVEBALL AND A SLIDER.
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HENNER: YEAH, FOR SURE.
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KING: ROB, WHAT'S WRONG
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IF THEY LABEL IT?
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FRALEY: NOT A THING.
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IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
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A GREAT STARTING POINT FOR THE
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CONVERSATION, 'CAUSE A LOT OF
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PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE
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AGAINST LABELING.
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THE REALITY OF IT IS WE'VE BEEN
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VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE VOLUNTARY
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LABELING APPROACHES THAT I THINK
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ARE REALLY THE TRUE ANSWER
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FOR LABELING.
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AND SO, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY
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LABELING, WHETHER IT'S
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G.M.O.-FREE OR ORGANIC, WHICH
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ARE TWO VERY POPULAR LABELS,
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I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
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AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH
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THAT COMPANIES LIKE WHOLE FOODS
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OR CHIPOTLE, OR WHAT WE'VE SEEN
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RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WITH
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CHEERIOS, IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT
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WAY TO LABEL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
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IF A COMPANY WANTS TO DEVELOP
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AND SUPPORT AND MARKET A PRODUCT
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AND GET THE MARKETING BENEFIT OR
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THE PERCEIVED BENEFIT OF A
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VOLUNTARY LABEL, IT MAKES
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COMPLETE SENSE TO US.
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STONE: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
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YOU'RE GIVING A VERY POLITICAL
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ANSWER AND YOU'RE AVOIDING
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THE QUESTION AGAIN.
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YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE
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SUPPORTING POSITIVE LABELING,
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WHICH MEANS THAT COMPANIES
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DO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO SAY,
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"WE'RE G.M.O.-FREE,"
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BUT WHAT YOU'RE ELIMINATING AND
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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE FACT
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THAT MONSANTO SUPPORTS
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NOT LABELING--
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HENNER: 7.1 MILLION--YEAH.
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STONE: RIGHT, YOU'VE SPENT A
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LOT OF MONEY SAYING--YOU KNOW,
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GOING OUT AND LOBBYING THE
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GOVERNMENT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T
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WANT G.M.O.s TO BE LABELED.
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FRALEY: NO, WHAT WE'VE SAID--
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STONE: THE COMPULSORY LABELING
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OF G.M.O. USE
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IN PROCESSED FOODS.
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FRALEY: CERTAINLY, WE'LL HAVE
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PLENTY OF TIME FOR DIALOGUE.
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AND YOU KNOW MY STYLE.
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I'LL BE ABSOLUTELY AS DIRECT
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AND CANDID AS IS ABSOLUTELY--
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I CAN BE, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A
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REALLY STRONG PASSION ABOUT FOOD
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AND FOOD SAFETY
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AS WE GO FORWARD.
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SO, FIRST OF ALL, FROM A POINT
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OF VIEW OF MANDATORY LABELING,
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WHICH WAS THE POINT THAT WAS
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BEING DEBATED BOTH IN
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CALIFORNIA AND WASHINGTON STATE,
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WE'RE AGAINST THAT BECAUSE
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MANDATORY LABELING IS AN F.D.A.
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DECISION, AND IF EVERY STATE
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WERE TO LABEL THEIR FOODS
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DIFFERENTLY, I THINK IT WOULD
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REALLY HURT FARMERS IN THE
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TRANSPORT OF FOOD AND REALLY
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CREATE UNNECESSARY COSTS.
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AND IT'S REALLY NOT ESSENTIAL,
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BECAUSE THE VOLUNTARY LABELING
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SCHEMES FOR G.M.O.--
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HENNER: WE HAVE OTHER LABELING.
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WE HAVE OTHER LABELING
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FOR THINGS LIKE ORGANIC.
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FRALEY: ORGANIC.
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HENNER: WE HAVE OTHER LABELING.
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EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT YOU
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BUY SINCE THE LATE '70s HAS
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SOME KIND OF LABEL ON IT, SO WHY
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WOULDN'T YOU ALLOW, YOU KNOW,
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"G.M.O. CORN," "G.M.O. SOY,"
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"G.M.O. WHEAT"--
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WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE.
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STONE: SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE
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INFORMED DECISIONS, 'CAUSE THERE
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ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T
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WANT TO BUY G.M.O. FOOD,
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SO WHY DON'T THEY--WHY DON'T--
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WHY CAN'T WE GIVE THEM THE POWER
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TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION?
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GOLDBERG: THEY CAN MAKE AN
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INFORMED DECISION BY BUYING
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ORGANIC, WHICH IS LABEL
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CERTIFIED AND IS NON-G.M.O.
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AND I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS
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REALLY AN ARROGANT CONVERSATION.
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HENNER: [laughs] OH.
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KING: BECAUSE?
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HENNER: 'CAUSE IT'S NOT
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ALL GOING YOUR WAY.
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YEAH, BECAUSE--
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GOLDBERG: NO, IT'S AN ARROGANT
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CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT ASSUMES
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THAT THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA
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THAT VOTED "NO" FOR LABELING
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WERE DOING IT BECAUSE SOMEHOW
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MONSANTO PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD
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AND TOLD THEM TO DO THAT.
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HENNER: NO, BUT THEY
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CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED.
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KING: DR. GOLDBERG AND
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DR. FRALEY, HOW AM I HURT
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BY MORE INFORMATION?
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GOLDBERG: YOU'RE NOT HURT BY
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MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK
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MORE INFORMATION IS GREAT, BUT--
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KING: SO WHY CAN'T I KNOW IF
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A PRODUCT HAS IT OR NOT HAS IT?
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IT'S JUST INFORMATION.
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GOLDBERG: HERE'S THE PROBLEM
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WITH THE ARGUMENT.
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ONE COULD BREED, CONVENTIONALLY,
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A PLANT THAT MIGHT BE EVEN MORE
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HARMFUL TO YOU THAN ANYTHING
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THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO USING
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MODERN GENETIC ENGINEERING.
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SALLEY: LIKE WHAT PLANT?
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GOLDBERG: FOR EXAMPLE, NO
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CONVENTIONALLY GROWN CROPS
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HAVE ANY TESTING OR
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ANY REGULATORY OVERSIGHT.
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THE POLICY OF THE F.D.A. IS
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THAT CONVENTIONAL CROPS AND
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GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CROPS
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ARE NOT ANY DIFFERENT
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FROM EACH OTHER,
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AND I THINK IT'S VERY LOGICAL--
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HENNER: AND BEFORE THE F.D.A.
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WAS BOUGHT BY MONSANTO AND OTHER
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SPECIAL-INTEREST GROUPS--
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SALLEY: I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.
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SO, IF YOU HAD A ORGANIC FOOD
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IN FRONT OF YOU
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OR A GENETICALLY MODIFIED...
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GOLDBERG: YEP.
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SALLEY: YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO EAT
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THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED BECAUSE
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YOU FEEL IT'S BETTER FOR YOU?
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GOLDBERG: NO.
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SALLEY: ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
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WHICH ONE WOULD YOU EAT?
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GOLDBERG: YEAH, I HAVE TO ANSWER
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IT IN SAYING I'M A SCIENTIST.
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I GO BY SCIENTIFIC DATA.
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THERE'S A PROCESS HERE.
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IT'S NOT HOCUS POCUS.
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IT'S NOT MAGIC.
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KING: LET ME GET TO BREAK, GUYS.
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WE GOT TO GET A BREAK.
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COMING RIGHT BACK.
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COULD G.M.O.s HELP CURE
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WORLD HUNGER?
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WE'LL DISCUSS THE LINK BETWEEN
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FOOD INSECURITY AND GENETIC
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ENGINEERING WITH DR. FRALEY
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AND OUR PANELISTS
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RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK.
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KING: WE'RE BACK.
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A 2013 U.N. REPORT PROJECTS
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THE WORLD POPULATION
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WILL HIT 9.6 BILLION BY 2050.
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ROB, ARE G.M.O. CROPS AN ANSWER
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TO WORLD HUNGER?
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FRALEY: I THINK THEY'RE ONE
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OF THE IMPORTANT ANSWERS.
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THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY TOOL,
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BUT THEY'RE A REALLY CRITICAL
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TOOL, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE
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ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY
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TO REDUCE PESTICIDES,
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INCREASE YIELDS.
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YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GROWN NOW IN
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30 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD
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BY TENS OF MILLIONS OF FARMERS,
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AND THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT TOOL,
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PARTICULARLY IF WE THINK ABOUT
00:23:03:06 --:--:--:--
PRODUCING FOOD FOR A GROWING
00:23:05:01 --:--:--:--
PLANET IN THE FACE
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OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND A LOT OF
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CHALLENGES FOR, YOU KNOW,
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DOUBLING THE FOOD SUPPLY.
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GOLDBERG: BUT THERE'S OTHER
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CHALLENGES AS WELL.
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HENNER: ABSOLUTELY.
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GOLDBERG: WE HAVE TO BE ABLE
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TO GROW MORE FOOD IN THE NEXT
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50 YEARS THAN WE HAVE IN THE
00:23:18:16 --:--:--:--
ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMANKIND,
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AND WE HAVE TO DO IT ON LESS
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LAND, MUCH LESS LAND, WHICH
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MEANS WE NEED HIGHER YIELDS WITH
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MUCH LESS RESOURCES--
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WATER, FERTILIZER--
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HENNER: BUT WE SHOULD ALSO BE
00:23:28:22 --:--:--:--
LOOKING AT HOW MUCH MONEY
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AND TIME AND SPACE...
00:23:30:15 --:--:--:--
KING: CURTIS.
00:23:31:11 --:--:--:--
STONE: YEAH?
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KING: ARE YOU SAYING
00:23:33:05 --:--:--:--
THAT THIS IS HARMFUL?
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STONE: WELL, LOOK, I THINK--
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KING: ARE YOU SAYING TO PEOPLE,
00:23:36:15 --:--:--:--
"DON'T EAT G.M.O. FOODS"?
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STONE: I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T--
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KING: ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
00:23:40:06 --:--:--:--
STONE: I DON'T EAT G.M.O. FOODS
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BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
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AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF
00:23:43:00 --:--:--:--
RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE ON THEM.
00:23:44:15 --:--:--:--
LET ME--LET'S--SEEING WE'RE
00:23:45:15 --:--:--:--
TALKING ABOUT WORLD HUNGER--
00:23:46:11 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: MM-HMM.
00:23:47:14 --:--:--:--
STONE: WELL, YOU'RE LAUGHING,
00:23:48:10 --:--:--:--
BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
00:23:49:06 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: I'M NOT LAUGHING.
00:23:50:02 --:--:--:--
I'M SMILING.
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STONE: THERE WERE DOCTORS AND
00:23:51:18 --:--:--:--
THERE WERE PROFESSORS THAT WENT
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OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING
00:23:53:10 --:--:--:--
WRONG WITH TOBACCO SMOKE EITHER,
00:23:54:07 --:--:--:--
AND THEN WE LATER FOUND OUT
00:23:55:07 --:--:--:--
THAT IT CAUSED CANCER, OKAY?
00:23:56:03 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: THAT'S CORRECT, BUT
00:23:56:23 --:--:--:--
A GENE IS NOT TOBACCO SMOKE.
00:23:58:03 --:--:--:--
STONE: WELL, OKAY--
00:23:59:00 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: AND A GENE THAT WE
00:23:59:20 --:--:--:--
KNOW THE STRUCTURE OF
00:24:00:17 --:--:--:--
IS NOT TOBACCO SMOKE.
00:24:01:15 --:--:--:--
AND A GENE THAT WE KNOW WHERE
00:24:02:15 --:--:--:--
IT GOES IN THE CHROMOSOME--
00:24:03:18 --:--:--:--
HENNER: BUT NOW YOU'RE PUTTING
00:24:04:15 --:--:--:--
THE PESTICIDES, YOU'RE PUTTING--
00:24:05:11 --:--:--:--
AND HOW ARE--WE'RE INGESTING
00:24:06:12 --:--:--:--
THEM, AND OUR CHILDREN
00:24:07:08 --:--:--:--
ARE TAKING THEM.
00:24:08:04 --:--:--:--
STONE: AND YOU'RE TELLING ME
00:24:09:00 --:--:--:--
THAT BECAUSE THIS SCIENTIFIC
00:24:10:06 --:--:--:--
RESEARCH HASN'T SHOWN THAT
00:24:12:16 --:--:--:--
G.M.O.s CAN BE HARMFUL, THEN
00:24:14:17 --:--:--:--
THEY'RE SAFE, AND I'M SAYING
00:24:16:03 --:--:--:--
THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
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I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
00:24:17:23 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: THEN IF YOU DISAGREE,
00:24:19:09 --:--:--:--
YOU'RE DISAGREEING WITH EVERY
00:24:20:20 --:--:--:--
MAJOR SCIENTIFIC BODY
00:24:22:03 --:--:--:--
IN THE WORLD.
00:24:23:00 --:--:--:--
STONE: BY THE WAY, THAT'S
00:24:23:20 --:--:--:--
NOT TRUE, BUT--
00:24:24:16 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: WELL, DO YOU DISAGREE
00:24:25:12 --:--:--:--
WITH THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF
00:24:26:12 --:--:--:--
SCIENCES, THE ROYAL SOCIETY,
00:24:28:14 --:--:--:--
THE AUSTRALIAN ACADEMY
00:24:29:14 --:--:--:--
OF SCIENCES.
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STONE: WHICH THEY ALL HAVE--
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ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST.
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HENNER: THEY WANT TO PLAY
00:24:32:22 --:--:--:--
IN THEIR LABORATORY!
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THEY--YES, SPECIAL INTERESTS.
00:24:34:14 --:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: AND OVER 2,000
00:24:36:13 --:--:--:--
PEER-REVIEWED EXPERIMENTS THAT
00:24:37:21 --:--:--:--
HAVE NOT BEEN DONE BY MONSANTO
00:24:39:14 --:--:--:--
AND HAVE NOT BEEN DONE
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BY SYNGENTA, HAVE BEEN DONE BY--
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STONE: PLEASE, LET ME JUST
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ADDRESS ONE THING--
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GOLDBERG: AND YOU DISAGREE WITH
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THE EUROPEAN FOOD SAFETY
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ORGANIZATION THAT SAID THAT
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THEY'RE PERFECTLY SAFE.
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KING: ROB, IS YOUR FEAR--
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AND BOB--IS THAT IF IT'S
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LABELED, PEOPLE WON'T BUY IT?
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IS THAT YOUR FEAR?
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GOLDBERG: NO, MY FEAR IS THAT
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THERE'S BEEN A CONCERTED 15-YEAR
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CAMPAIGN TO DEMONIZE THESE KINDS
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OF FOODS AND THIS TECHNOLOGY.
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KING: SO YOUR FEAR IS THEY
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WON'T BUY IT IF THEY LABEL?
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GOLDBERG: AND SO WHEN I LISTEN
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TO MARILU, I HEAR VERY SIMILAR
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THINGS TO THE CLIMATE DENIERS
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OF THE RIGHT.
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HENNER: OH. [scoffs]
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PLEASE, DO NOT
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SAY THAT ABOUT ME.
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GOLDBERG: IN FACE OF ALL THE
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SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, THEY SAY,
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"NO, THE CLIMATE ISN'T CHANGING.
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THE CLIMATE ISN'T CHANGING."
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HENNER: THE CLIMATE'S
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TOTALLY CHANGING.
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GOLDBERG: SO, IN FACE OF ALL THE
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SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, CURTIS AND
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MARILU ARE SAYING, "NO,
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THEY'RE HARMFUL.
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THERE MAY BE PROBLEMS AND
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STUFF," AND SO THEREFORE,
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EVERY SCIENCE AND EVERY
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SCIENTIFIC SOCIETY IS WRONG.
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SALLEY: ONE AT A TIME.
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ONE AT A TIME.
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HENNER: EXCUSE ME, ARROGANT.
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KING: HE SAYS THE SCIENTIFIC
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EFFORT SUPPORTS HIS POSITION.
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SALLEY: AND IT SUPPORTS THAT
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OBESITY HAS RISEN, AND IT--
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GOLDBERG: BUT IT'S NOT
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DUE TO G.M.O.s.
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SALLEY: IN THE PAST 10 YEARS,
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15 YEARS, LIKE HE SAID.
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GOLDBERG: AND THAT HAS NOTHING
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TO DO WITH G.M.O.s.
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SALLEY: IT DOES, 'CAUSE IF 90%
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OF THE FOODS ARE G.M.O.s--
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GOLDBERG: BUT IT CAN'T!
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IT CAN'T!
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SALLEY: THEN IT HAS TO COME
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FROM THE FOOD.
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GOLDBERG: OKAY, AS I EXPLAINED,
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AND I'M NOT GONNA GET TOO
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PEDANTIC OR TOO PROFESSORIAL--
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SALLEY: GREAT WORD.
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GOLDBERG: OKAY?
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HENNER: TOO LATE.
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GOLDBERG: THE GENETICALLY
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ENGINEERED, LET'S SAY, SOYBEAN
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HAS A GENE IN IT THAT, IN
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MANY CASES, IS A PLANT GENE,
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WHICH MAKES A PROTEIN THAT YOU
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EAT EVERY SINGLE DAY IN EITHER
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ORGANIC OR NON-GENETICALLY
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ENGINEERED VEGETABLES.
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IT'S INDISTINGUISHABLE
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IN CHEMICAL STRUCTURE, AND
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THEREFORE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE
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ANY OF THESE EFFECTS THAT YOU
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HAVE BECAUSE YOU'RE EATING IT
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AS IT IS.
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SECONDLY, THE INSECT-RESISTANT
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CROPS THAT ARE MADE, WHICH
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REDUCE TREMENDOUSLY MILLIONS
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AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
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MILLIONS OF POUNDS OF PESTICIDES
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IN THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS IS
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SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN
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USED IN ORGANIC FARMING
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FOR OVER 75 YEARS.
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SALLEY: AREN'T YOU SCARED
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THAT A INSECT WON'T EAT IT?
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IF AN INSECT WON'T EAT IT,
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AND A BIRD WON'T EAT IT,
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YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID!
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GOLDBERG: AND IT HAS BEEN USED
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IN ORGANIC FARMING...
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HENNER: AND OUR CHILDREN!
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IT'S SO UNFAIR.
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THEIR LITTLE 40-TO-80
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POUND BODIES.
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GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, THIS--
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WHEN I LISTEN TO THIS
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CONVERSATION--AND I MEAN THIS
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SINCERELY--I FIND IT
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VERY, VERY DEPRESSING.
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HENNER: IT IS DEPRESSING.
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KING: WE'LL PICK UP ON THAT.
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THE TOPIC IS G.M.O.s.
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THANKS, DR. FRALEY.
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AND THAT ENDS PART ONE OF A
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TWO-PARTER OF "LARRY KING NOW."