Let's move our way toward the guts of the matter and ask what happens without Toussaint (as poor a year as he had) in the lineup and with Gardner/Robinson in the backfield.

You're likely looking at a ton of misdirection and an attempt to confuse the second 7 for the OSU defense.

It bothers me a bit because Boren, while willing, is playing his 5th or 6th game and can get lost at times and Shazier has shown the propensity to get caught out of position as well. I have to believe UM goes with a lot of misdirection to try and capitalize on that and get GGardner Robinson into a secondary that has made missed tackles an art form.

Looking at the matchups and the game itself briefly, I'm wondering if 55 points is going to contain the final score. I think UM tries to go Wisconsin route on the Buckeyes and shows a lot of 8/9 man fronts to try and bottle up Braxton. They're nowhere near as good at it as Wisconsin but that's likely to be there plan. Miller is going to have to hit a few throws down field and Hyde will need to have a good day inside IMO.

peeker643 wrote:Let's move our way toward the guts of the matter and ask what happens without Toussaint (as poor a year as he had) in the lineup and with Gardner/Robinson in the backfield.

You're likely looking at a ton of misdirection and an attempt to confuse the second 7 for the OSU defense.

It bothers me a bit because Boren, while willing, is playing his 5th or 6th game and can get lost at times and Shazier has shown the propensity to get caught out of position as well. I have to believe UM goes with a lot of misdirection to try and capitalize on that and get GGardner Robinson into a secondary that has made missed tackles an art form.

Looking at the matchups and the game itself briefly, I'm wondering if 55 points is going to contain the final score. I think UM tries to go Wisconsin route on the Buckeyes and shows a lot of 8/9 man fronts to try and bottle up Braxton. They're nowhere near as good at it as Wisconsin but that's likely to be there plan. Miller is going to have to hit a few throws down field and Hyde will need to have a good day inside IMO.

Am I off here? Anyone see it a lot differently?

I actually think losing Fitz helps scUM a little, bear with me. Touissant is not a great RB, I was never concerned about him as a contributor. Now we get a bunch of unknowns. Unknowns are probably better than he is and we know less of what to expect.

If I were game planning against tOSU's D, I would send my outside receivers deep and try to hit one or two on Howard, while sending Roby's WR deep just to get Roby downfield. I would then attack OSU's D short, with a possession based passing game, if you keep the routes short it nullifies any advantage OSU's DL may have in the trenches. Additionally, the guys on the outside give such a big cushion that there is room out there to facilitate this short passing game. Once tOSU switches to zone to take away the short stuff you can hit some of those intermediate short routes and probably run the ball a little better. Indiana laid a very good road map to gouging this OSU D by attacking its weaknesses.

If I were game planning against the O I would stack the box play 2 spies and dare someone other than Hyde or Miller to beat you. They won't, at least not the way that Miller is currently constituted as a QB. Either our WRs cannot get seperation or Miller can't see them, either way you should be OK if you make Miller beat you with his arm until he proves that he can. One thing I would like to see the OSU O do is vary the running game a little better. They get caught in this rut where every play is either a slower developing option play/designed QB run or a designed RB run. There is a delay in the draw and option game that allows time for the D to react (some) and as the D anticipates the reads and slows down their "flow" they become more effective against the draw. You could catch them napping with some well placed dives and ISO.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

"Before the famous 10-year war began, Woody Hayes infamously went for a two-point conversion leading Michigan 50-14. When asked about the controversial call Hayes responded “because I couldn’t go for three.”

Rumors are swirling in the Ohio State athletic office that Urban Meyer might honor Hayes by going for two on Saturday if the game is out of hand. Stoney asked if that would piss off Hoke.

“Yeah it would piss me off a lot,” Hoke said. “It won’t get to that point.”"

I would laugh for three straight hours if Urban pulled that move off.....

"Before the famous 10-year war began, Woody Hayes infamously went for a two-point conversion leading Michigan 50-14. When asked about the controversial call Hayes responded “because I couldn’t go for three.”

Rumors are swirling in the Ohio State athletic office that Urban Meyer might honor Hayes by going for two on Saturday if the game is out of hand. Stoney asked if that would piss off Hoke.

“Yeah it would piss me off a lot,” Hoke said. “It won’t get to that point.”"

I would laugh for three straight hours if Urban pulled that move off.....

That would be OUTSTANDING. Please let it happen.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

Seems like a reasonable score if you double our points and halve theirs! FUCK 'EM. Amazing how I wake on scUM morning because I cannot sleep, and I am immediately filled with more hate for them then I have all year (and I pretty much hate them all year).

Bucks 31 scUM 17

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Part of me thinks that Meyer finds a way to drop 50 on those guys. I have read on multiple sites that he teared up when talking about playing scUM at Earle Bruce's "Beat scUM" fund raiser. He obviously gets it.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

swerb wrote:Anyone hear anything more about the reports that Simon is a game time decision with an unspecified injury? Can't imagine him not playing in this one.

I saw that too. I am sure he will play, I just hope he is well enough to be effective. I would rather have an effective player than an injured John Simon, just for the sake of playing in his last game in the 'Shoe. That said, I would prefer an effective John Simon (Wisconsin Game Simon) to all other options.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

You mean like trolling websites for teams that I don't like? That kind of life? If only I could strive to reach your levels of awesomeness.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

furls wrote:You mean like trolling websites for teams that I don't like? That kind of life? If only I could strive to reach your levels of awesomeness.

Seriously Furls, it's time to get a life. Join the armed forces and serve your country...go back to school and further your education...something. Anything. Just get a life.

I know, I really should do more but that Catholic charity that I sit on the board for has just been eating up my time. I mean I guess I could be running around posting on scUM websites or some other team that I hate just to try to make other people unhappy thereby making myself feel better about my standing in life. That appears to work for some.

Maybe that would cover the whole in my heart over turning down MIT's Sloan School of Business because I got more money from another top 15 business school. Actually, I do kind of regret that one, but I guess free is better than $132,000. Maybe I will do some of Sloan's Executive Certificate programs.

Anyways..... FUCK MICHIGAN and God Bless FMB.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

That was an ugly coverage breakdown. I am not sure what they were supposed to be doing, but I am pretty sure that there was supposed to be more than 2 defenders for the 3 WRs and that let the deep guy go past you was not part of the coverage.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Good that a glorified landscaper can live vicariously through his son! For someone with such a "life" you sure do spend a lot of time on message boards for a team you hate. You must be a very unhappy man. I feel bad for you.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Wow, Buckeyes did everything for them on that drive but actually run the offensive plays.

These guys are playing embarrassingly undisciplined.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Braxton reminds me of an awkward period that Ginn went through in sophomore year where he took a lot of really bad losses and made some bad plays by trying to make every play a big one, even when it is defended. If he learns to stop taking stupid losses this offense will vault forward.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Yeah, he has looked like a pretty dynamic player. I envision Jalin Marshall filling the same role in 2 years. I like Marshall's physicality and shake&bake more than Brown.

Nice tackling on the wishbone TD run by Robinson. That was the worst play I have seen this D make this year.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Buckeyes would be winning this game by 3-4 TDs if they played with some discipline today. 2 long TDs on blown defensive plays and a TD that was only scored because the drive was extended 2X by a muff and a personal foul after a 3rd down stop.

Absolutely awful showing.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

That replay of the TD run shows exactly why I hate Christian Bryant. He makes no effort at all to wrap, and by drilling Robinson he ends up knocking over Travis Howard who is actually trying to wrap up.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Why are we running our QB when our RB is getting like 10YPC? Miller looks so indecisive with the ball that it is driving me nuts.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Braxton really needs to remember to look at the defense on his blind side. He never even looks that way. One of these days he is going to cough one of those up.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

O completely self destructed on that drive. Sucks to get no points out of that.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.