>>152467624>He could still get it in another chapter though.Probably, but I wouldn't be mad if it didn't happen. I didn't like how it was never properly explained, and it even took awhile for them to release a name.

>>152467755How the fuck is Zamasu fighting SSB?That means he would have gave Beerus a hard time. Shit doesn't make sense. I get why he doesn't die since he's immortal but no way should he be able to exchange speed and punches

>>152467753It makes no fucking sense. But Toyo attempted to make sense out of it based from Toriyama's draft of Black which said he has Super Saiyan before Rose. Zamasu healed him twice, so I guess that explains it not really.

>>152467868That makes sense when I think about it. Goku downgraded back down to Super Saiyan after getting overconfident and Zamasu was able to restrain him. Shin was able to restrain Dabra (who was SS2 tier).

>>152467939>Zamasu dodging one hit from SSB doesn't mean he's on par or anything.Uh clearly that means he can handle the speed. He shouldn't have been able to dodge that at ALL. That's like Kid Goku dodging an attack made by Cell.

>>152467973It's not like we've never seen things like this in the original manga before; characters barely managing to dodge an attack from an obviously stronger opponent only to be immediately overwhelmed from the next. It's not a big deal.

>>152468013>Freeza dodging an attack from Future Trunks (an incredibly stronger opponent) only to end up getting sliced up soon after.>Base Goku fighting against Freeza (again, who was holding back a lot) and dodging his attacks only to be overwhelmed later on in the fight.

>>152468088Not him, but we could argue that Future Zamasu in the manga has about the same level of strength as Present Zamasu shown in the anime. Present Zamasu fought against SS2 Goku and was overwhelmed, but yet Goku was impressed and praised his skill. Goku went back to SS and still knocked down Future Zamasu in the manga.

>>152468093This, lots of people in this fanbase are retarded. Super Saiyans transformations aren't a set powerlevel, there are multipliers of the users base.Meaning just because Goku and Goten are both Super Saiyans doesn't mean they're at the same level of strength.

Black has a SS3 Goku tier base mode so him fighting on par with SSB Vegeta isn't strange.

>>152468174>but we could argue that Future Zamasu in the manga has about the same level of strength as Present Zamasu shown in the animeNo you can't that's from the anime, we're talking about the manga. They are various characters who have different power levels between the anime and manga.

>>152468258What kind of fight would that be? A sensible one, sure, but that would be completely forgetting who Black is. He's a sadist, Black was humiliated by Vegeta so it's not hard to believe he would want to make Vegeta suffer.

>>152468258I don't think Black multipliers are so big as Goku's, maybe he's not skilled enough so his multipliers are really tiny, but his base still strong enough? Or maybe all multipliers are equal except SSR's one, because he's already a god so his room of improvement is lesser

>>152468916The Mafuba happening was more than likely apart of Toriyama's outline at this point.I could see it being something like this:>Goku and Vegeta are beaten by Black and Zamasu>Mafuba is suggested>Goku and Vegeta return to the future >Black and Zamasu fuse >Goku and Vegeta fuse in retaliation

>>152468788>>152468916It was always obvious that Vegeto was part of Toriyama's outline since the whole "eat too much energy to fusion lasted less" thing came up - while the anime team tries to ignore SSB eating energy since it's supposed to be the most stable ki controller form according to them. This likely means it came from Toriyama's outline.

>>152469136But SSR Black is a different character, right? Just like SSB Goku and Vegeta.I really hate that shit, why we can't just use his base form and go SSGSS as every other character do with its respective transformation? Well, excepting SS teen Gohan (which is stupid too)

>>152469248Fucking this.They have Base RoF Goku and SSB Goku as two completely different characters. I'd rather use RoF Goku and have him transform into SSB. The same goes for Vegeta. I honestly hope it's not like this with Rose Black.

>>152469401Is Mai best girl in Dragon Ball history?She and Bulma have the most fucking balls. You can argue Chichi too since she walked up to Boo, slapped him, and cussed him out before turning into an egg and dying.

>>152469583>All Saiyan women were strongMakes Gine a special case, then.

>Toriyama: Gine had a gentle personality and wasn’t cut out as a warrior, being repeatedly saved from danger by Bardock. At that time, a special emotion was born between them. Normally, Saiyans don’t have much of a notion of romance or marriage, and apart from the royal family of Vegeta, they aren’t particular about blood-relationships.

>manga escape >>152469401>Trunks use Taiyo-Ken and they use the sewer to hide themselves. They know even if they hide his ki, Black can feel Mai's, so they prepare a trick, make Mai pretend they four are running away together and as soon Black and Zamasu appears, Trunks make his surprise attack. Detecting Trunks' ki, Goku, who is already in the time machine with Vegeta, knows here's their last chance to escape so use the machine and go back to the past

>anime escape >>152467199Humans use FUCKING gas and Black and Zamasu runs like bitches. Mai puts Goku and Vegeta in the time machine and Black can't detect their ki because reasons

>>152470189Yes, won't deny it.This chapter was pretty good.I was worried Toyotaro was going to rush things and skip SSR form because of what they said about the manga being ahead of the anime, but looks like there was no reason to worry.

>Managed to distract Black and Zamasu long enough for Goku and Vegeta to escape>Has a grin on his face as he sees them vanishFucking best.How will he feel when the Mafuba doesn't even work and he did all that for nothing?

>>152470447He looks like a cosplaying Laharl to me. Notice the lack of height, the bandanna, his lack of whorish nipples, and insane power leveling. It' almost like...he's some kind of...not giving up...meta self insert.> the heart

>>152470515I am too. I actually felt for Trunks when Goku looked down at him from the Time Machine. I don't know what he said, but my guess it was something like, "We'll be right back, Trunks! Stay alive!".

Will the final battle take place in the present instead of the future? Zamasu and Black have every time ring. Nothing is stopping them from following Goku into the past, unless they're still scared of Beerus

>>152470843This makes the trip to the past quicker. I wonder how they'll handle the Mafuba situation. Goku and Vegeta will most likely be in a hurry since Trunks and Mai were left alone to fend for themselves. How will they learn it in time? It took a day for Goku to learn it in the anime.

Same. It's a shame Toei hasn't really made an effort to animated Minus and especially Jaco by now, but then they're notorious for taking on so much shit that they'll never get around to it, even if they did.

>>152470891>Goku and Vegeta will most likely be in a hurry since Trunks and Mai were left alone to fend for themselves. Maybe the time machine will act like a time machine in this version so Goku and Vegeta return to that exact moment after they left.

>How will they learn it in time? It took a day for Goku to learn it in the anime.Meh kid Goku learnt the Kamehamaha in a couple seconds compared to Roshi who it took 50 years. Same with many other Roshi moves like Zanzoken.

Are you people actually enjoin this manga? It's not bad at all, but it's so far behind, i know toyotaro fixed some dumb shit like the tears gas or goku's character , but all the main plots are pretty much the same

>>152472464>SS2 Trunks throwning SSR Black in the manga>Trunks quickly appears and give Black a punch which thrown him out (ala Piccolo kicking Freeza or Goten and Trunks kicking Buu)

>SS2 Trunks throwning SSR Black in the anime>Trunks quickly appears and stop Black's ki blade... and then increase his aura, hit his stomach, they exchange punches a few seconds and THEN Trunks kicks SSR Black

>>152472504Well we don't have translations yet so we don't know the reason,but it's kinda weird why did he revert back to ssj? He lost energy i guess? remember when you turn off the ssb form you lose 90 of your power.

>>152472852Because Saiyans are written in a way that makes them not do that, it's like when Goku hated getting SSGod relying on others, without him getting there on his own, Vegeta did that on Namek (Zenkai heaven) so he could defeat Freezer.

>>152472957>remember when you turn off the ssb form you lose 90 of your power.No, only if you turn off and turn on again quickly. SS Goku still at 100% of his power, he only discrease to 10% if go SSB again

>>152473254>This is apparently not acceptable even though Trunks does the exact same thing this chapter?Stop lying, he doesn't at all. In this chapter he gets 2 surprise punches off and is quickly shut down.Both punches he gets off are because Black keeps ignoring him to go for Goku and Vegeta

>>152473332>twoHe gets one sneak-attack in, then gets ANOTHER sneak-attack in, hitting Black multiple times in the stomach, despite Black seeing him TWICE in that entire sequence and somehow not reacting to his blows despite being a thousand times stronger.

>>152473193Well that didn't bother me, cause we have seen that several times throu DB and DBZ , stronger opponents getting puched or being hit it by weaker opponents.also i didn't do any damage to him so...

>>152473367You're either brain damaged or trolling. In the anime, Trunks overpowered Black, then beat him in a hand to hand scuffle

In the manga, Trunks got a surprise punch on Black. Black then ignored him and tried to shoot Vegeta and Goku. Trunks then attacked him again, and Black took a hit and then effortlessly slammed him down

>>152473436The thing is, ki was always explained as a fighting power thats why it can be measured in units and it increases as you train. Mai not being able to shoot energy beams or fly she shouldn't have that much of a presence since she's a normal human.

It's not a fucking surprise if Black SAW him stab Zamasu and then SAW him again dashing towards him. And YET, he still got hit multiple times (not once in each attack, he got hit by multiple punches in the second attack).

You're the fucking retarded one. Pic related is exactly what should have happened as Black shouldn't have had a problem to shoot down the time machine, since he's a thousand times stronger than Trunks.

Just admit both the anime and manga did the same fucking thing for the sake of plot and move on. Stop sucking Toyotaro's cock like a mindless retard.

>>152473480I don't think there will be that many notable differences anymore.It might be why Toyo is taking his time with the Black arc instead of rushing it since the anime is now based off his storyboards.

>>152473480Toyotaro is already on the survival arc so i guess he's just gonna pass the story to Toei,and then Toei will do the episodes based off his storyboards which is a good thing cause we aren't gonna see a lot differences between manga and anime anymore.

>>152473532If the well goes dry in Toyo-town, who'll be the new sheriff of artistic direction until they drill another wellspring of story inspiration. I for one continue to hold that the Universal Tournament is going to be a cluster of unintended mishaps and a possible bad end with some groundhog day looping thrown in, thus relieving the onscreen characters who've acted dumb of idiot status by giving them a chance to learn. Or if you like, the manga, games, anime, and maybe a good fanfic here or there will cross the streams. So to speak.

>>152473745>I'm not even all that hyped about the next arc in the animeI don't blame you, there's no way Toei will be able to handle animating all the fights in this tournament back to back. Some of these fights are going to look like ass.

Can ya'll stop acting like the anime is complete trash? The writing is worse and some episodes have awful animation and art, but we also get some great moments. SSJB Kaio Ken was hype, Goku vs Hit and the rematch was fun. The Black arc was awesome until the shit ending, Black and Zamasu were great. The VA and music is top tier, and when the animation is good, it's really good.

>>152474133I ask myself what the long term effects of this websites continued existence in anything but an archive has on the future of Earth's biosphere. It's hardly ever a good answer, so I sometimes think this is all in my head. No sane species would do this. It's not even fun.

>>152474047>Goku vs Hit and the rematch was funMeh I disagree. The manga actually did something interesting with Hit's strange mannerisms. Where in which Hit was strategically hiding his movements and his hands to avoid Goku seeing his tells. This also made Goku predicting Hits timeskip more believable since he was given a frame of reference for when Hit was going to use his time powers. Unlike the anime where Goku is omniscience or some shit. I mean there was still some my powerlevel>yours but it was still trying to add a strategic element to the fight which has me interested in Toyotaro's version of next tourney.

In the anime he fights with his hands in his pocket because of his generic imma look down on you personality. His shitty "improvement" made his fight boring and repetitive (the looped animation didn't help)Goku found a way to predict Hit's timeskip movementsHit: nuh uh I improve over thatGoku used Kaioken to multiply his stats and become "faster than time"

Hit: nuh uh I improve over thatLike some playground game of pretend. Boring as shit.

>The Black arc was awesome until the shit ending, Black and Zamasu were greatToei's shit characterization of Goku ruined that arc, hell most of the character were incompetent not just Goku. Adding a time loop plot line to DB made no sense and it was repetitive as hell fight Black and Zamasu loses run away to past then return to the future and repeat until they remember Zeno's button.

>The VA and music is top tier, and The OST is one of the only good things about the arc, that and some elements of episode 57.

>when the animation is good, it's really good.Not really and even if that were truth its shit most of the time.

>>152473636>fillerCanon just doesn't have Trunks. There's no difference considering the gap between Black and Trunks is as big as the one between Cell and Krillin.

>Reminder Cell was defeated because of a surprise attack from Vegeta.Okay, and? I'm repeatedly trying to push it through your thick skull that it WASN'T a surprise attack because Black SAW Trunks coming BOTH times.

>>152474328You actually think that's what that whole fight was about in the anime? That's all you took from it? Really? What a fascinating opinion, we're all so much better off for you're having shared that. Cigars for everyone! It's a BOY!!!

How can you not understand that Black is literally HUNDREDS of times stronger than Trunks is at this particular moment?

It's not a surprise attack the moment Black sees him (which he does, both times). He should have easily been able to turn around and block the attack. Why? Because he's much faster and much stronger than Trunks is.

>>152475202But Trunks going back in time isn't what changes the timeline, considering there were only four when Gowasu checked them for the first time here >>152472107 It's Beerus destroying Zamasu that changes the timeline most likely, since that's what Toei went with, so it's probably in Toriyama's notes.