How are they going to prove those are from the BP leak. Liability wise there has to be proof. There could be other wells leaking around and the
companies could be using corexit to hide their problems. Can't blame everything on BP just because of that accident.

I'm expecting that the experts will find this has NOTHING to do with the BP oil gusher.
It's amazing how the "natural oil seepage" was discovered after deep ocean drilling became possible.

I already have an image of some "expert" on the TV smirking about those "foolish tin-foil-hat conspiracy folks" without a degree in biochemistry
presuming this would have anything to do with a unplugged hole in the ocean, or that the stuff sprayed on the oil was just designed to make it sink.
He's got that characteristic sideways smirk that every child molester has when he's got a secret.

They'll say something about Big Foot, and then everyone will chuckle. The same way they chuckled at the people who thought the Single Shooter of JFK
didn't make sense because someone was running a coverup after the man was killed by a patriot/mob patsy. The same way they chuckled about people
saying 9/11 was an inside job, because fires don't make steel buildings collapse -- and if they did, not that fast. The way they chuckled that the US
was supporting a torture program. Or chuckled that people thought the Banksters were rigging the game right up to the point where the LIBOR scandal
was revealed and quickly ignored for the latest storm or sex tape.

I've got a bank charging me right now for "overdraft protection" where they electronically don't pay something, and then charge me $35 for
automatically doing something I told them not to do -- but they've got a policy that states how they can't control these sorts of things but I owe
for it, because it's a policy, you see?

Tar Balls used to show up on the coast of Savannah and we were told they were natural.

What do banks and natural tar balls have in common? Smirking little pundits with large pay checks telling you that you are being silly. Anyone notice
all that news coverage that revealed the Fed printed $16 Trillion to pay out to the banks since 2008? Here we are, with Republicans acting so
concerned about "deficit spending" to pay for Food Stamps so kids can eat something -- and the Fed is just printing the money in the middle of the
night.

It's probably just as well we don't feed the kids, because we'll find something wrong with the Gulf Shrimp.

Originally posted by rickymouse
How are they going to prove those are from the BP leak. Liability wise there has to be proof. There could be other wells leaking around and the
companies could be using corexit to hide their problems. Can't blame everything on BP just because of that accident.

I could use some of those tar balls to redo my driveway.

That's why the plastics companies replaced the BPA garbage in water bottles with a slightly different plastic that ends up looking like estrogen in
the blood stream. If EVERYBODY poisons us a little bit -- NOBODY is responsible.

The oil experts won't be able to prove they are BP's oil balls is what you mean. Under the legal system undeniable proof is needed before someone
is liable. In this case I do not think they can blame it on BP alone. I think the problem is way bigger than most expect. This kind of stuff has
been going on for a while, many small leaks add up to a lot also. Accidents happen when acquiring oil. That is normal. If this spill would have
been a hundred barrels noone would have known. Corexit is a newer chemical but similar chemicals have been used for quite a while to cover these
things up. Don't worry, you can still eat shrimp once in a while and the seafood is safe if you eat it occasionally.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
I know it happens quite frequently that corporations cover up ecological damage they have been respondsible for, but i find myself thinking about how
many more of these disasters have been covered up.

How many spills have big oil kept quiet that have not made MSM; could the state of the natural world on our planet be more grave then we are even
aware of?

Further, how many re-discoveries of past disasters will come to light through situations like Hurricane Isaac turning up the oil previously found on
the sea floor.

Scary stuff

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In third world countries they don't even bother with a "cover up". They just leave it as is. While disastrous spills on coastlines are given lip
service, those that happen inland, in poor nations, with no media are left as they are. Across the globe greed has destroyed millions upon millions of
acres of delicately balanced ecosystems, poisoned countless indigenous peoples and the corporate overlords laughed all the way to the bank.

Personally I think they should all be charged with murder and executed, but I don't believe really believe in execution, (these guys bring me close
tho) so I guess I would just put them in prison, maybe in one of those places that they raped and polluted, and let them rot.

And the Republicans want more and more drilling all over America, but when the crap hits the fan like this spill, not a peep from the cons. What a
freaking disaster! Where are all the cons volunteering to clean up the mess?

They can test the oil samples to see whats it's composition is to determine where it originated from. Similar to how they can test stuff like
diamonds to see whether they came from restricted regions (blood diamonds).

There are ways to testing the oil and supposedly they already have and have found many locations to be covered with BP oil.

The oil experts won't be able to prove they are BP's oil balls is what you mean. Under the legal system undeniable proof is needed before someone
is liable. In this case I do not think they can blame it on BP alone. I think the problem is way bigger than most expect. This kind of stuff has
been going on for a while, many small leaks add up to a lot also. Accidents happen when acquiring oil. That is normal. If this spill would have
been a hundred barrels noone would have known. Corexit is a newer chemical but similar chemicals have been used for quite a while to cover these
things up. Don't worry, you can still eat shrimp once in a while and the seafood is safe if you eat it occasionally.

We need to reduce world
population anyway

The earth will heal from this spill, it will just take time.

You get no argument from me on your post.

What I cannot stand is that we have to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT some corporation guilty of killing humans. THEY do not have to prove their
products are safe. So Pink Slime is used as food in schools and fast food restaurants, weird plastics can be used to contain our food because rats
tested don't die -- but no mention is made of the cancers, infertility and genetic damage.

And don't get me started about GM food. A quick bit of research on the matter is that it's not all the same, but some of it is downright scary.
Especially Corn, Soy and Wheat. The standards shouldn't be; "PROVE that deep sea drilling caused THIS PARTICULAR tar ball we found or this
PARTICULAR hormone producing mutant gene in soy caused breast cancer." The bar needs to be set that PROVE bio-engineering pesticides into food is
safe -- not only for the current rat, but the rats three generations from now.

>> We've got cloned BEEF now -- and a lot of people who think they understand and love science think it's the same thing as a regular cow. It's
amazing that all the people who religiously appose "Global Warming" and strangely seem to have religious arguments against alternative energy,
aren't also prompted by scripture to worry about abominations in human genes finding their way into our food animals and even spinach. A cynical
person might suggest that church pulpits have people offended only at things that corporate shills want them to be upset about.

However, current METHODS of cloning are not perfect. And a cloned animal won't live as long as traditionally born creature because #1 they took the
gene from an adult animal (and genes are modified after we are born, and express different aspects of the DNA) and #2, the process is not perfect and
there are transcoding errors. Since the cows aren't going to be around long before slaughter, Mad Cow and bad genetic drift don't show up (yes,
nobody actually CURED Mad Cow, they just slaughter cows before the Prion expresses itself -- problem solved, right?).

I don't know this for a fact, but I wonder if we clone cows now not for the readability of the fast growing steer, but perhaps the rumors that the
3rd and 4th generation of animals RAISED on GM corn becoming sterile could be influencing the traditional methods of breeding fast growing animals
with each other.

However, we are assured by people who make lots of money, that there is nothing wrong with GM food, and so we aren't allowed to know what has been
modified and what hasn't, and we have to spend our own money to run studies and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that whatever particular allergy,
brain damage, chromosome damage or cancer was ONLY CAUSED BY THIS ONE SOURCE.

It's really impossible. The "secret ingredients of Core Exit" in the Oil mutating Gulf Shrimp, the estrogen-like plastics in the BPA free
containers, and the hormone-like structures in Corn and Soy are all having an impact so there isn't ONE BULLET and there isn't ONE GUN and so nobody
is guilty.

Everyone just look surprised when diabetes, obesity, mental problems, ADHD, sterility, cancer, and genetic mutations become more and more common.

WE can all live in fear, and be TOLD to worry about Terrorist X, Drug Dealer Y, and Enemy Z -- and they don't need any proof about the unexamined
threats we spend Billions on. Pay not attention to the untested food and drugs we consume on a regular basis -- it's not been proven to KILL YOU
immediately, so feed it to your kids.

It's not even the fact that the GM soy is being utilized instead of regular soy products. It is the fact that we started consuming more soy that is
the problem. We didn't eat much soy at all before, just in Soy sauce where the fermenting broke down the estrogen. Now it's in just about
everything. Evolution of the diet over many generations is necessary to properly be able to process these things. Whoever started pushing soy into
all our foods should be hung. The Chinese and Asians may have a better tolerance for soy but not the Europeans that live in this country. The
Chinese know well about the health effects of too much soy in the diet, genetically engineering the plant could help a little but then it may not be
recognized by the body right and body chemistry will go astray. We are not gods, we can't eat everything. What fools we are to let these people
seeking profit ruin our health and thinking. We must put an end to their reign in this country.

That's interesting, will it stand up in court? Funny that anyone will say definitely BP when BP has funded so many environmental labs and
organizations after the spill. Hmmm..... those labs won't be getting future jobs from the oil industry or their subsidies, I hope they understand
that. I hate to see good businesses crumble by getting involved in things like this, personally I would have said I was too busy at the
time.

Thankfully that's why we have Universities with their own labs and private donors such as their alumni. Otherwise then yeah, those other research
labs would be bought up.

As for it being able to hold up in court, I'm sure it can. The area's where BP drills for oil will probably have a certain type a composition that
would be unlike other areas. It'd be a slight difference but enough of one to know the general area of where it is from and then with that knowledge
they can look to see which oil drills are in the area and who owns those drills.

It's not even the fact that the GM soy is being utilized instead of regular soy products. It is the fact that we started consuming more soy that is
the problem. We didn't eat much soy at all before, just in Soy sauce where the fermenting broke down the estrogen. Now it's in just about
everything. Evolution of the diet over many generations is necessary to properly be able to process these things. Whoever started pushing soy into
all our foods should be hung. The Chinese and Asians may have a better tolerance for soy but not the Europeans that live in this country. The
Chinese know well about the health effects of too much soy in the diet, genetically engineering the plant could help a little but then it may not be
recognized by the body right and body chemistry will go astray. We are not gods, we can't eat everything. What fools we are to let these people
seeking profit ruin our health and thinking. We must put an end to their reign in this country.

I agree with you that there is a HUGE issue with genetic background. Having Irish blood in me, I'm immune from being incapacitated from alcohol until
I'm actually unable to stand, and as a european blood line, certain lung and poisoned food ailments make me merely sick, but they will kill a Latin
American or Indian. We know however, that Malaria will destroy a european, while someone with the "sickle cell gene" from Africa, will be better
able to deal with it.

Along with too much soy (because it's a cheap replacement for good protein), and the "urban legend" that it's better quality protein (no, there's
stuff in their you won't even digest), the GM soy really, really is different.

The process of genetic modification is changing a lot more in the DNA of food than can be predicted. If you follow the principle of "first do no
harm" -- we've broken the rule to begin with.

Depression and a whole host of ailments start in the stomach. We are inundated with "estrogen like" chemicals in Corn, Soy, and plastics. The other
anomaly from GM foods and all the sugar substitutes but Stevia, is that it thickens the stomach wall. This reduces what we absorb and causes a host of
other problems, including food cravings.

I'm pretty sure that following the diet of what industrial farmers use to fatten cattle is not the best way to go.

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