reposting my question to prescreen viewers>Gil starts firing 360 degrees around to make his puppet dance. Zerker totally dancing queen and still the strongest.Hm, was the fight altered a bit from the VN? I seem to remember it saying Gil was aiming at Ilya and Berserker was forced to defend the whole time.

Was he aiming at Ilya at all during it?

Also - was Hercules identity at all revealed? Someone said Gil had a line about recreating a battle from legend or something?

>Sorry if these have been mentioned. From these points, we should just view the the anime as its own interpretation of the VN. Stop expecting and just accept.

>1) Part of why Ufo skipped Fate route was because they didn't want to repeat the world-building they already did in Zero, and the VN is well-known now at over 10 years old. If they did do Fate, then Nasu would have suggested significant alterations to keep it fresh.

>2) Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. Miura had similar thoughts. Both he and Miura were in-sync on the approach for the anime: Start by deciding what to cut out down to the bare bones, and then graft unique anime flesh.

>3) Nasu asked Ufo not to narrate Saber's inner world and narrative since it's not her route. Her story is already complete at this point. Thus he suggested that they draw her such that she stands out or looks cute or beautiful. She is to be the strongest in terms of visual impact. She's there to be a mother figure or guardian to Rin and Shirou.

>4) Initially, Nasu didn't have as many comedic bits in the VN, but he added more in because of the VN's length and that he sees Shirou as someone who never truly smiles. Thus the anime may have fewer comedic bits compared to the VN.

>5) Nasu felt that the Old Nasu shoved the VN's main theme down the throat of readers which he feels is bad for anime. Therefore, he thinks it's better for the anime to gradually show the theme and that it won't be crystal clear until the end of the show. Key dialogue is highlighted while the rest is trimmed and revised with the allotted time in mind.

>6) Miura directed Zero's ep.19 (the plane), the 3 FSN VITA OPs, and he has read both F/SN and F/HA.

>7) The anime staff is a mixture of vets and new hires, not just Miura and a bunch of noobs.

>8) Miura believes that if the Art is good enough, dialogue doesn't need to be spelled out.

>9) Miura sees this anime as Shirou's coming-of-age story. Also, from Nasu, Miura got the impression that Shirou is such an unwavering character that you think he never grows or matures.

>10) Yes, there will be more original scenes in cour 2.

>11) The music is tailored to what's happening on the screen. Fukusawa watches a scene, then makes demos for it. Ufo then accepts or requests a new track.

>>123496972>3) Nasu asked Ufo not to narrate Saber's inner world and narrative since it's not her route. Her story is already complete at this point. Thus he suggested that they draw her such that she stands out or looks cute or beautiful. She is to be the strongest in terms of visual impact. She's there to be a mother figure or guardian to Rin and Shirou.>mother figure or guardiansaberhags btfo

>>123496972>Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. Miura had similar thoughts. Both he and Miura were in-sync on the approach for the anime: Start by deciding what to cut out down to the bare bones, and then graft unique anime flesh.Fancy way of saying they gave up before even starting to adaptate the VN.

>>123496972>>3) Nasu asked Ufo not to narrate Saber's inner world and narrative since it's not her route. Her story is already complete at this point.

Nasu is retarded. The beauty of UBW is that both Archer AND Saber find their answers, Saber's is especially powerful because of what you know by going through FATE.

Though I agree, FATE would need severe reworking to not suck ass. This is not because VN's and Animus are different media, but because a good 50% of fate, especially parts with Shirou, sucks fucking ass.

>>12349727635 episodes and half of which would be sitting in Shirou's house? That's a waste of time, a waste of money and would probably hurt sales more than help because of shit pacing.

For any book -> visual adaption, the visual adaption will always lose out on some characterization. It's inevitable. But the beautiful thing is, both will continue to exist. The characterization is there to find, it just can't all be fit snugly in the time frame of an anime.

Realized she always wanted to save her father from her loneliness in Apoc at the end or something, stalks her on twitter, unintentionally read a porn doujinshi about her father during Apirl Fools when she was wandering around Japan like an American tourist, bought a wooden sword for Lancelot, and bout some Saber figures before buying some hamburgers for herself.

Kind of the entire conflict in the myth turns out is because daddy wouldn't love her back. Kid ended up rebelling, since if dad wouldn't recognize her with love, then at least hating her would be the next best thing perhaps. Wanted dad to look at her somehow, even if you act out you just want some attention.

Lancer vs Caster on roadway, Gil versus Herk and Illya in the castle, Saber and Assassin in front of the gate. The first is alluded to as happening in ep 14's flashback, we see the second in ep 15.

Shirou and Archer stare each other down in UBW.

EDEnding. I like it better than Believe by quite a bit.

Still images of Archer's Creed and Saber once again on the hill. Shirou embraced by Kiritsugu in fire. Rin asleep while studying in her room. Shirou in UBW that's a grassed-over, broken-gears version of Archer's Unlimited Blade Steppe, as he turns to find Rin watching him.

Caster and Kuzuki have the "I asked you to stay at Ryuudouji" talk after Caster tears church apart looking for grail. She then slaps dat Saber ass.

Archer and Rin have conversation in a park after Rin sees more of Archer's past. With how they're emphasizing it, it doesn't look like the hole in the sky is meant to be Grail-made, but that it's a catch-all for Path to Root, cuz it's all Grand Order-y.

Archer and Rin confront Caster and Kuzuki. Shirou sneaks in on them. Rin throws jewels at Caster that are Caster-seeking. She negates them and Kuzuki moves in. Rin is all smug as Archer moves between them, then Archer pimp slaps Rin back. Rin tries shooting Kuzuki and Archer deflects. He then goes all betrayal mode. Kuzuki moves in to kill Rin, Shirou jumps down and attacks him, Kuzuki crushes bokutou, knocks Shirou over Rin, who then reaches out (as in the PV), makes Kanshou and Bakuya, gets Kuzuki to back off. Crowd goes nuts. Caster goes to finish them off with golems, Archer does his "lol well now I feel bad, let them go please" and they're gone.

Shirou and Rin have conversation outside. "You're the one that's most hurt by this, Tohsaka" or however it goes. Full on hnnnnnnng Rin cute cry. They go sit down. Have their "why did you return?" and "Oh yeah I have this gem to return to you" conversation. Shirou has his "I really do like you" spiel and Rin's tsun tsun reaction, followed by very dere lean forehead-on-his-back bit.

Let us plan over dinner. Also, "I don't dislike you or anything. You cook well."

Medea Medea Medea. Master dude is blonde guy in trailer. Taunts her for not being able to summon a dragon. Has his own Greek Chorus to laugh at all his jokes at his command. Name-drops El-Melloi. Liquifies orphans to turn into gem magecraft power sources. Medea all shit son, that stuff's weak. "Well, fine, with the command spell I order you, don't use your NP on me." Then punch the witch. Then go and complain to the priest. "My Servant is useless, blah blah blah, imma find me a new one." Kotomine all "Lol Lancer go get him."

Guy returns home to find Caster has destroyed all his crap. Well fine, "My second command spell: kill yourself."

Medea: nope

"UHHHHH by my third spell KILL URSELF"

"lol you forget what my NP is."

"But I commanded you--"

"Not to use it on you?"

Mind fucks with him before setting him on fire. Then collapses due to anchor being gone. Then elevator opens and heeeeeere's (a really bored looking) Lancer!

Crawling through the forest, these wounds they just won't heal...oh hey there's a history teacher.

No they don't show them getting down in front of Buddha, just "Yes I believe you, whatever you want baby" in that same sexy monotone.

Meanwhile at Einzbern forest, Shirou gets shocked by a hot wire because Rin totally tells him to step on ahead and he's a loyal wan wan. "It's okay, I know what it was like by watching you." BOOM, Rin sent flying. "IOGHE(IR (IRH(@!H(#RHOASPDSAFLDKNFYOUFUCKINGLOLI"

>>123497661Illya laughing while scrying on them. Sella scowling at her. Illya scowling back. Liz like "Now children..." Illya tells them to go capture them. "Because it is a maid's job to do this!" WAIT BUT INTRUDER oh it's only Shinji getting dropped from above by Gil into the King's Banquet garden, who catches him before he hits the ground face-first just as his nose scrapes the ground. He then sparkles at the maids as they come out. Liz tries to stab him, Shinji holds the pointy end of the halberd, Shinji confirmed to have Servant-tier STR. "I'll give you ten seconds to get out of here. Ten, nine, eightsevensixfiveforthreetwo--" Suddenly a Gil! "Mongrels I'll give you ten seconds to get out of here." "Fuck you, King of" "And for that Liz, you lose an arm. Then become effective pin cushion with your cushions. Sella tries to mimic impaled Archer. Off with her head!

Zerker and Illya show up. "Let us recreate a battle of legends!" or whatever the line was.

>>123497512>Reminder that Emiya played in the very first UBW trailerThey are not gonna use that version. It doesn't fit with the sound aesthetics they used for the current ost.They got rid of most of the chanting and backed up a lot on the use of synths and drum machine-like beats for this instance of the franchise.

Gil shoots. Zerker stands there and things ping off him (so apparently Saber really was hitting him with A STR or something). Gil pulls out God Force? (maybe? that was my initial thought anyway) and shoots it, Zerker defends, so he's all I get it, time to shank you with A-rank. Kills him. Shinji all "you loser!" Gil all "If you wanna live, you might step back." Zerker regens. Shinji runs. "Huh, never actually seen someone die and then come back, that's kinda cool." Zerker Step is now orchestral rather than electronic sounding.

Rin and Shirou get into the castle, where the fight moves as Zerker and Gil tear the place apart. Gil starts firing 360 degrees around to make his puppet dance. Zerker totally dancing queen and still the strongest.

Illya is still waiting for Kiritsugu. Iri-grail starts talking to her, "He abandoned us, he betrayed us, he'd even totally kill you, see, I'll show you what I saw in the grail back in Fate/Zero. "That can't be true...that's impossible!" Acht: "Search your feelings, you know it to be true." (actually he doesn't say anything and just stares at Illya apparently having a schizo moment). Illya bleeds as she works on being better grail and magician and stuff. Goes to see failed homunculi thrown in with Rei III onward. They have weird conversations with her while trying to interpret modern art takes on Archer skewered with swords.

Illya then is introduced to (rather than creating?) Sella and Liz. They then go in to connect a summoned Zerker to Illya (she wasn't connected to him already?) "You're just a tool, Zerker, got it?!?!?!?!" Gets thrown to the wolves. "Oh, I guess you're not just a tool since you came to rescue me from getting graphically bitten by these dogs. You are the strongest!"

Gil: Now to administer Dr. Gilgamesh's best ca--Berserker: RANDOM SPAWN OF THIRTEENTH LIFE MOTHERFUCKERGil: HOLY SHIT(Gil still stabs him with more GoB stuff but not before Zerker gets about a centimeter away from wringing his neck)Gil: Er...I'm glad the little one can't see that I totally freaked out there for a moment.Shirou: (tearing free of a girl glomping him) I SAW IT YOU BASTARD--(Gil shoots a sword at him and the balcony part Shirou was on collapses)Gil: Now then. Where was I?

>>123497781If they are a servant, Gil counters them, the sole exception is Shirou, and even then Gil has to be fucking around.>LancelotIs nowhere near Gil in strength, and Gil still instantly beats him if he tries.

>>123496972>Sorry if these have been mentioned. From these points, we should just view the the anime as its own interpretation of the VN. Stop expecting and just accept.There is no reason to accept shit. If it bad then it's bad, simple as that.

>1) Part of why Ufo skipped Fate route was because they didn't want to repeat the world-building they already did in Zero, and the VN is well-known now at over 10 years old. If they did do Fate, then Nasu would have suggested significant alterations to keep it fresh.They just don't want to risk it not selling well.

>2) Nasu thinks it's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime and that VNs and anime are two entirely different things. Miura had similar thoughts. Both he and Miura were in-sync on the approach for the anime: Start by deciding what to cut out down to the bare bones, and then graft unique anime flesh.It's impossible to convey the VN's quality in anime if you have such a incompetent director as Miura. Nasu is the japanese George Lucas so whatever he thinks can and can't be don should be ignored.

>3) Nasu asked Ufo not to narrate Saber's inner world and narrative since it's not her route. Her story is already complete at this point. Thus he suggested that they draw her such that she stands out or looks cute or beautiful. She is to be the strongest in terms of visual impact. She's there to be a mother figure or guardian to Rin and Shirou.Saber is a immature 14 year old girl. How the hell are she supposed to be a mother figure unless the ones she is being it to are even more childish?

>>123497026>4) Initially, Nasu didn't have as many comedic bits in the VN, but he added more in because of the VN's length and that he sees Shirou as someone who never truly smiles. Thus the anime may have fewer comedic bits compared to the VN.So they just decided to cuts stuff out. A really great idea.

>>123497770Can't counter what you don't see or don't know what it is and therefore cant' counter. What you don't know about. That's half the reason Avalon was used well in Fate route, since he didn't know that Saber had it thus even if he did have something he couldn't prepare in time because "Surprise motherfucker, trump card out of nowhere. Bet you didn't prepare for this shit, because you couldn't".

The greatest defense against someone who has the a defense against your particular thing, is putting them in a situation where they can't use it. Gilgamesh taken by surprise would lose out against a few types for sure.

>>123497026>5) Nasu felt that the Old Nasu shoved the VN's main theme down the throat of readers which he feels is bad for anime. Therefore, he thinks it's better for the anime to gradually show the theme and that it won't be crystal clear until the end of the show. Key dialogue is highlighted while the rest is trimmed and revised with the allotted time in mind.Old Nasu is a better writer then New Nasu. Cutting stuff out makes the whole story meaningless.

>6) Miura directed Zero's ep.19 (the plane), the 3 FSN VITA OPs, and he has read both F/SN and F/HA.And he still haven't understood Shirou's character at all.

>7) The anime staff is a mixture of vets and new hires, not just Miura and a bunch of noobs.Could have fooled me.

>8) Miura believes that if the Art is good enough, dialogue doesn't need to be spelled out.Too bad the the "Art" is far from good enough.

>9) Miura sees this anime as Shirou's coming-of-age story. Also, from Nasu, Miura got the impression that Shirou is such an unwavering character that you think he never grows or matures.Nasu even says it clearly that Miura doesn't understand Shirou.

>10) Yes, there will be more original scenes in cour 2.Where is DEEN to save us from this trainwreck?

>11) The music is tailored to what's happening on the screen. Fukusawa watches a scene, then makes demos for it. Ufo then accepts or requests a new track.This doesn't either explain nor excuse why it has been so bad so far. Is it Fukusawa's fault or Ufotable's?

I don't disagree with this, I simply think cutting out Saber's side of UBW is foolish. Sure, you can't go into as much detail as you would in the Fate Route, but it should still be there, her epiphany and disappearance is very important because shirou and archer's fight touches her directly.

Gilgamesh is the "Hero killer", rather than servant killer you could say in a sense. As long as its a fight between proper heroes, and he was 100% serious, he probably shouldn't lose.

Fate though, you get a lot of "Not proper shit" being summoned. Gilgamesh doesn't have counters for not proper heroes, aside from just spamming swords at them. He has the weakness of every hero because his legend is the origin of all legends in a sense, thus all their shit and all their weaknesses are his.

This only applies to heroes; just any time the grail is corrupted you get some shit summoned that's not a hero, and is just wrong. Though even if they were wrong, they're still unlikely to be stronger than him. I mean he doesn't have a counter for those shits, but shooting them full of swords should still work.

However, if something was summoned that was both entirely heretical and not a hero, but also incredibly strong, he wouldn't have a weakness for it, and it might also be better than him.

For situations like that, it's all up to Ea if he's smart.

Although its noted Diarmund could beat him with the perfect strategy of hit and run tactics. Very unlikely, but yes possible. Also noted that Pale Rider could beat him if the war went in some direction that would favor him as the dark horse. It's not really clear on what that means yet.

>>123498070I do agree with you, as I also wish Saber a happy ending, but I can also understand Nasu's viewpoint. He just wants the barebones of UBW, which unfortunately doesn't include Saber. It's not as much foolish decision as economic. There's less room for screw-ups if there's less concepts to cram in. Saber's understanding of the Emiya fight only contributes to her own character development, and not the theirs.

However, Nasu's main flaw is that Saber's route, while the conclusion is fantastic, the execution isn't exactly the best and it's the introduction route, so a lot of the more "epic" things get skipped out on in favor of info dumps. I just feel like Saber be given similar treatment in terms of plot, seeing how Rin gets the action route and Sakura gets the climax route, while Saber gets the introduction, and Nasu says "oh her story is already finished."

The problem with the FATE route is not the infodumps, it's Shirou being an insufferable faggot throughout because Nasu couldn't figure out how to make audiences fall in love with King Arthur without having the little shit say BUT YOU'RE A GURL SABER GURLS DON'T FIGHT during 60% of the damn route.

>>123498338>it's Shirou being an insufferable faggot throughout because Nasu couldn't figure out how to make audiences fall in love with King Arthur without having the little shit say BUT YOU'RE A GURL SABER GURLS DON'T FIGHT during 60% of the damn routeThis hyperbole is never going to go away is it? Go read the previous thread.

>>123498458>Even Nasu agrees it was a dumb way to do it and it makes Shirou look like the stupidest shitThis has already been refuted against, but there's really no point because you don't seem to change your opinion at all. Anyways, Nasu changes his views every couple of months, as evidenced by this thread anyways.

>>123498599He mentions it twice and stops talking about it forever after day 6 when she storms caster's temple and Rin blows Shirou the fuck out. The entire VN is online so if you want to go pick scenes to support your point of it not being an exaggeration, go ahead. You won't find anything.

The usual excuse is "but shirou is just a broken person who doesn't want anyone to get hurt but doesn't care about himself", but that's a blatantly misplaced excuse since he didn't give Rin the same bullshit in her own route despite being way more vulnerable than Saber.

>>123498671>but that's a blatantly misplaced excuse since he didn't give Rin the same bullshit in her own route despite being way more vulnerable than Saber.That's because he hasn't seen Rin get her ass handed to her like Saber.

>>123498671Again, that was discussed in the previous thread and that wasn't even the point about Shirou that was brought up to explain the difference in treatment. Rin never explicitly goes against Shirou's orders and almost gets herself killed, and Shirou is never at wits end trying to stop her from killing someone like he has to with Saber in the beginning of Fate.

>>123498780Prove it. The VN is online scene for scene. He says nothing about her not fighting because she's a girl after day 6 when Rin blows him the fuck out since he realizes he can't use that argument again after the fact. Otherwise he never would have summoned Saber to save him in the school.

Man, YOU go read that shit again. HF and Fate share the first berserker fight, Saber's cut in half in both.

And you bring up another point. He never gave rider any shit, or anyone else any shit. So once again, it has nothing to do with the bullshit excuse of how he's a broken person who can't stand seeing others hurt. He just treats saber like that in Fate because Nasu went fullretard about it and almost ruined his character completely in the introductory story.

>>123498981Shirou cares for Saber more than Rider or anyone else in Fate. That's why he does the ur a gril thing. Nasu went a little overboard with it, but the point comes across that he just really cares about her.

>No matter what Saber says, she is a girl before she is a swordsman for me.

>Saber is a girl.>If we go to cute-looking stores, she's bound to have fun.

>No matter how superior she is as a swordsman, it is natural for Saber to be like this.>Rather, it's abnormal for her to hold a sword at all.

>"H-How ridiculous. I am a Servant even though I am not armed. You do not need to treat me as a woman just because we are not fighting. Please treat me as a Servant as usual.">"You're the ridiculous one. You're a girl to begin with. It's not like I'm treating you differently today. Am I acting any differently?"

>"But you still fear battles.>You were strong and good at fighting. But that's not a talent you ever wanted, right?>I'll say this honestly. Fighting doesn't suit you. >You must have hated even pulling out that sword.

>>123499064Okay, that's not Shirou saying she's shouldn't fight because she's a girl, it's Shirou saying that she just doesn't look like one who would fight. Those are different things, things that deal with Saber's character development that would just end up opening a huge can of worms in this argument.

>>123498981>HF and Fate share the first berserker fightNo shit you retard, the only other time Shirou ever bitches about Saber being a girl after he stops her from killing Rin is when she almost gets killed by Assassin in Fate. At least read the posts you're responding too.

>>123499053No, the point got across that he was an unsufferable cunt unless you're the most hardcore of apologists.

Shirou was never a popular character even when only the VN was out because people rightly found him fucking obnoxious. If anything you Shiroufags should be thanking ufotable because he's been doing better popularity-wise than he ever has been before since their adaptation began.

>>123499064All of that has to do with Saber denying her gender because she was king arthur for so long. That's an entire point in the Fate route, how Saber needed to accept that she was a girl and not a tool.

>>123499064At no point does any of that dialogue say "You're a girl, don't fight!". He's commenting on her nature as a person and how she fights because she has to, not because she wants to. It has nothing to do with her being a woman.

You literally just agreed that Shirou treats Saber like that not because he's a hollow shell of a man so deep etc, but because it's his romantic interest and Nasu expressed it in a really shitty way. This ruined or almost ruined the route for a lot of people.

Would be nice if you admitted it.

Personally, FATE has the best character moment for Shirou in my opinion, too bad you have to sit through 7+ days of his being a frighteningly dumb and suicidal ass who inadvertently is also insulting as shit towards the object of his affection.

No, Shiroufags defend Shirou's dialogue and actions in the entirety of Fate. Saberfags like Saber and her character exposition and development, but agree that Fate is kind of awful, at least the first half or 2 thirds.

>>123499393>You literally just agreed that Shirou treats Saber like that not because he's a hollow shell of a man so deep etc, but because it's his romantic interest and Nasu expressed it in a really shitty wayNo, it's because of both, and of course he would treat her specially because she's his romantic interest. That doesn't make it shit or anything.

>>123499381UBW and Miura have brought out this contingent of whining idiots who are stuck on this idea that Shirou is a DEEP and PERFECT character and anyone who criticizes how he's written is wrong or misunderstanding something, nevermind that basically no one liked Shirou ever until MAYBE very recently thanks to ufotable.

First of all, let's get some context here. Saber is 154cm tall. That is the average height of an american 1st grade girl. Her opponents tower over her, literally.

Even ignoring Shirou's debilitating survivor's guilt and lack of self worth, he would probably not be considered "a man" by any culture on this planet if he did not step in for a 154 cm little girl taking on a gigantic hulking behemoth.

Do people condemn the military's of first world countries too? I don't see you 3rd wave feminists whining about not being able to go out into the front lines with us men. It's only acceptable to whine when it's fictional women are told they shouldn't be fighting alongside men, right?

Second of all, Shirou is consistent as fuck. He does not let anybody fight his battles for him. Period. Whatever excuse he uses, his end motivation always leads back to the survivor's guilt.

>>123499412>No matter what Saber says, she is a girl before she is a swordsman for me.Has absolutely nothing to do with her fighting. Her being a girl first and swordsman second doesn't mean that she isn't a swordsman in his eyes.

>Rather, it's abnormal for her to hold a sword at all.Has nothing to do with her fighting.

>Do the literal exact words "you can't fight because you're a girl" have to come out of Shirou's mouth before you start to process why people would still find his attitude annoying as hell?So now that you've realized you're wrong, you're forced to grasp at staws to change the goal post? The stuff discussed in the date scene is the same exact thing as what Iskander talks to Saber about in F/Z. This isn't hard to understand. It has nothing to do with Saber being a girl meaning she can't do all these things, it's that she should come to accept who she really is as a person and stop putting in all this effort for something she doesn't need to do anymore and live as a human being.

>>123499473>No, it's because of both, and of course he would treat her specially because she's his romantic interest. That doesn't make it shit or anything.

Treating your romantic interest specially doesn't automatically make it shit. Treating your romantic interest "specially" in the sense of being an insulting condescending asshole who talks down to them makes it shit, which is what Shirou does.

>>123499473>That doesn't make it shit or anything.No, but the fact that it was shit makes it shit. I'm just glad you at least accept it's not some deep character writing, and is instead just romance writing.

>>123499483>There's nothing to admit. I thought the romance was good in the Fate route. Shirou did good.I won't comment on your tastes, but my problem is you people always try to deflect what some myself included consider terrible romantic writing with "it's not because he loved her, it's because he's a hollow shell blah blah blah".

>>123499557>in the sense of being an insulting condescending asshole who talks down to them makes it shit, which is what Shirou does.Anon, there comes a point where we've refuted this so many times and you still do not take it in, that it really needs to stop.

He is perfectly fine with allowing her to fight for him in the last third or fourth of Fate and in UBW and HF.

The problem is you have to sit through his bullshit in the majority of Fate. Especially when said first grader shows to be vastly stronger and faster than him, a much better fighter, with regenerative capabilities and DOOMED IF HIS STUPID SUICIDAL ASS DIES. You can only watch a guy try to protect a tank with his body so much before it gets tiresome.

>>123499669>The problem is you have to sit through his bullshit in the majority of FateThis has been proven wrong a multitude of times in this thread alone. The one attempt someone even made at trying to show this was the case using actual quotes from the VN ended using quotes that had nothing to do with Saber not fighting because she's a girl at all.

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