Occam's Chainsaw:Cinletharwi: Makh: is it illegal for me to still have my high school year book?

Everything will eventually be illegal.

How To Build a Police State, Volume 1.

Step 1: Make everyone a criminal.

Indeed. They've already got 20% of teenagers according to TFA.

What if some random teen sends some (unsolicited) pics to somebody and then calls the cops on them? Good luck deleting them fast and trying to prove you didn't want the pictures at all. For a slighted girl, it would be even easier than a rape accusation in terms of ruining someone's life using the long dick of the law.

founded the USA, and as a country we have alwaysbeen hugely puritanical where it comes to sex.

FTFY

That said: child porn is wrong, and I happen to think that itsinappropriate for teens to be sending nekkid and semi-nekkidpics to each other. But, I don't think that counts as child porn,and the laws should be amended as such.

Occam's Chainsaw:Cinletharwi: Makh: is it illegal for me to still have my high school year book?

Everything will eventually be illegal.

How To Build a Police State, Volume 1.

Step 1: Make everyone a criminal.

step 2: selective enforcement so that people dont complain as much at first.

The US basically has enough laws to make everyone a criminal with selective enforcement, the EU is getting close to doing that across the 27 nation block, and some of the member states already have laws that in effect make everyone a criminal.

Once everyone is a criminal and the only thing keeping them out of jail is to toe the line with the government, not speak up against its abuses, the only thing left is to remove anonymity so that people cant make such comments without retaliation. MI5 in the UK already got approval and is doing their initial installation of their "black boxes" that will monitor every internet link and telephone call, they are even going to require ID for prepaid sim cards to identify the 40% or so of the prepaid population. The EU is doing a one-way data sharing program with the US to share travel (even domestic), banking, phone, internet and a lot of other personal data on its citizens. The hold up is the US wants immunity for abuse of the information, the EU isnt sure that is a good idea but its not a deal breaker. Printers already have codes embedded into the output so that it can be tracked back to which printer actually printed the material, the EFF even showed that you can trace this back if you arent the government with access to the code lists.

/maybe tinfoil hats arent just for the crazy//maybe the paranoid arent paranoid enough!

etobian:Doesn't it take 12 people to convict? Is it so hard to find even one person on a jury who would have enough common sense to vote for acquittal?

Said person will be told sternly by the judge that their job is not judge the law, only whether it was broken. Defense attorneys will be seriously disciplined for even bringing up juries as a check in the system. Also, jury selection is skewed (by all parties involved) to avoid the those persons.

pnjunction:What if some random teen sends some (unsolicited) pics to somebody and then calls the cops on them? Good luck deleting them fast and trying to prove you didn't want the pictures at all. For a slighted girl, it would be even easier than a rape accusation in terms of ruining someone's life using the long dick of the law.

I expect that if it was a totally "random" sender, then it'd be tough to find a prosecutor who'd be willing to bother with the case. If the sender knew the receiver, but they didn't have a prior history of phone communication, and the first message ever had n00dz in it, well fark I dunno. The legal system is crazy sometimes.

What if some random teen sends some (unsolicited) pics to somebody and then calls the cops on them? Good luck deleting them fast and trying to prove you didn't want the pictures at all. For a slighted girl, it would be even easier than a rape accusation in terms of ruining someone's life using the long dick of the law.

S'OK, He'd go down for 20 but so would she (distributing child porn), you see? Checks and Balances.... the Legal system works!!

Merltech:So technically an 16 year old ex-girlfriend could send her ex-boyfriend a picture of herself in the buff and turn said ex into the law.

Yup, and based on history, sentencing favors females, its harder for them to get maximum sentences for the same actions. As a result it would be far worse for the guy than the girl. And if she is one of those psycho chicks (she would kinda have to be to set someone up after a breakup) she wont care, at least initially, that she set him up, and if she ever admits it he will get off without punishment, and has the potential to sue her (her parents more likely) so she then has a vested interest in keeping quiet.

What is worse is that the FBI can just send pics to someone and set them up that way. If you look for the case where the FBI had an "informant" that hacked into someones system to look for kiddie pr0n because the FBI couldnt get a warrant to search, and after many discussions about this and all they eventually found some, they protected the identity of the CI throughout the trial. The judge (9th circuit district court) even ruled that it was perfectly fair to not allow the defendant to confront his accuser, so the identify of this CI was not known. The guy was convicted and sought appeal, I lost track of the case then. But it means that there is at least the potential for them to plant evidence that ends up being really bad.

Lets say that you really are innocent, then you do not deserve to goto jail, especially when that means solitary or constant beat downs and everything else for being a child molester. It also means that it would be unfair for you to have to register for life, and that could impair your ability to work in the future. All for something you didnt do. I am not saying that everyone accused, tried and convicted is innocent, by all means I think most are in fact guilty, but when there are court rulings that allow the FBI to have secret agents that never get named, you cant show that it was a set up, or that the FBI was doing it internally.

This all leads to a "we can imprison anyone for anything so dont do anything that will upset us" attitude, which leads to far worse things happening.

step 2: selective enforcement so that people dont complain as much at first.

The US basically has enough laws to make everyone a criminal with selective enforcement, the EU is getting close to doing that across the 27 nation block, and some of the member states already have laws that in effect make everyone a criminal.

yeah, but how many eu countries will put you on the sex offenders register if you get caught taking a slash on your way home from the pub?

Tolksy: If the reason we prosecute adults for child porn is because the younger partner isn't mature enough to consent due to them being under the age we set up as a cutoff (17 or so), then why isn't that same 17 year old, who could have sent his/her older partner to the slammer for sex given the same lack of judgment defense when he/she takes pictures of his/her younger sexual partner (or themselves)?

Cliffnote: It's retarded to prosecute kids for being stupid. Send them to sex ed and call it a day.

pnjunction:Occam's Chainsaw: Cinletharwi: Makh: is it illegal for me to still have my high school year book?

Everything will eventually be illegal.

How To Build a Police State, Volume 1.

Step 1: Make everyone a criminal.

Indeed. They've already got 20% of teenagers according to TFA.

What if some random teen sends some (unsolicited) pics to somebody and then calls the cops on them? Good luck deleting them fast and trying to prove you didn't want the pictures at all. For a slighted girl, it would be even easier than a rape accusation in terms of ruining someone's life using the long dick of the law.

The law isn't outright a bad one. The intent of the law is to outlaw distribution of child pornography. And no one with common sense (not referring to fark) wants to eliminate child porn laws. The worst you could say is that this distribution law contains a loophole regarding when the images of the naked child you are distributing happen to be of yourself.

But we would have to be very careful re-writing the law to allow kids to distribute pornographic images of themselves. That would quickly make a legal child porn industry a reality. An adult could run the web-site and collect money, as long as only the kid posted porn images. Which of course is quite obviously just a child porn site taking gross advantage of our hypothetical newly re-written law.

The exceptions the law, to allow for scenarios like this, would have to painstakingly carefully written, and excruciatingly clearly detailed. Otherwise they quite de facto make child porn legal.

So, all in all, I don't think it is feasible to re-write the law to be "perfect", just like any law. I think it is up to prosecutors to use some common sense when bringing charges, just like any law. We don't have many details of this case, but I will tentatively say it sounds like the prosecutors are being over-zealous here.

Okay, end calm rational post....now back to a thread full of AHHHH! Amerikka is a fascist hellhole where EVERYONE is a criminal OMGWTF!!!!!

What if some random teen sends some (unsolicited) pics to somebody and then calls the cops on them? Good luck deleting them fast and trying to prove you didn't want the pictures at all. For a slighted girl, it would be even easier than a rape accusation in terms of ruining someone's life using the long dick of the law.

I know a 23 year old who is dating some whore of a 17 year old. She's given him pictures of herself in lingerie (and God knows what she's doing in the pictures I haven't seen) and I'm really nervous about the whole thing, especially if he ever tries to break up with her.

I heard about this on CNN Headline News driving back from work on Wednesday. Desperately tried to call into the show to tell them what idiots they were being. They had some legal expert who actually said that the kids are being charged with child porn because there's no other crime they can be charged with.

What? Why charge them at all? Smack them upside the head for being so stupid, but don't farking CHARGE them with something that's going to follow them throughout their lives! The "legal expert's" and the newscasters' opinion: The kids need to be charged with something so we can protect them.

I was going out of my mind at the all-around stupidity.

/A friend's 15-yo daughter made a sex video last year & sent it to some guy she liked. He promptly hosted it on the school's server for everyone to see. Thankfully the school was more interested in keeping the scandal quiet than "protecting" the kids, otherwise who knows how many of them would be on the sex offender's list?

step 2: selective enforcement so that people dont complain as much at first.

The US basically has enough laws to make everyone a criminal with selective enforcement, the EU is getting close to doing that across the 27 nation block, and some of the member states already have laws that in effect make everyone a criminal.

yeah, but how many eu countries will put you on the sex offenders register if you get caught taking a slash on your way home from the pub?

its not just this law, that is the point I was trying to make, by doing it with a broad spectrum of laws they can in effect make everyone criminals, despite what they actually do. Trying to narrow it to this one singular law misses the point completely.