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i watched this carefully on replay several times. Will was practically stationary, caught flat footed as oppo passed. Oppo then fastened his eye on Will and ran four or five strides straight at him. More a case of ref deceived in my view. Surprised at 4 weeks. Who argued the defence?

dixipusi watched this carefully on replay several times. Will was practically stationary, caught flat footed as oppo passed. Oppo then fastened his eye on Will and ran four or five strides straight at him. More a case of ref deceived in my view. Surprised at 4 weeks. Who argued the defence?

You watched a completely different incident from me then. I saw late, no arms and shoulder to the chin. Under current guidelines that's a red every time. Don't argue that its difficult for a big man to get out of the way in these types of challenges but for Skelton to get shoulder to chin it had to be him dipping not the other player.

Can have no complaints about that nor the card during the game.
I have actually been really impressed with his tackling recently as he was a bit loose when he first came. I appreciate he is a big guy and it can be difficult to hit and the right height but the one on the weekend was just dumb.

hertsmanWonder if he will go back to Oz and try and reclaim his gold shirt.

Certainly a possibility and I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to go. Turning down an international chance when you're winning premiership/european trophies is one thing, but turning it down to play at Ampthill and Bedford is another.

hertsmanWonder if he will go back to Oz and try and reclaim his gold shirt.

Certainly a possibility and I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to go. Turning down an international chance when you're winning premiership/european trophies is one thing, but turning it down to play at Ampthill and Bedford is another.

For me big Will really needs the Saracens family to put his arm around him.
He gave up the world cup to be us, with the investigation hanging over us.
He is not subject to the international appearances, buys into the culture and is a top level player.
Maybe he had a bad day, his frustration came out, but this is one player I feel for, gave up the world cup and his country to support us.

Yep. There’s a reason that women’s rugby is a second rate sport with no money in it. We keep getting told playing careers are short and you need to make the most of it while you can. She certainly won’t have earning power of her husband.

Adey ,I sponsored Will last year and met him and his wife many times. I have to say he is a family man through out and at the end of every game his first reaction would be to look into the crowd to find Kate.

Women's Rugby is a second rate sport ? Try telling that to the Cleall sisters. Maybe you should pop down and introduce yourself to the Saracens ladies team and tell them your thoughts !

“The boys have fight in them intrinsically and that comes when you lose tight games together before.But it’s also the relationships we have,it’s an amazing group to be part of.Everyone on the outside hates us but we don’t care,if you come in,you will get so much love you won’t want to leave” B.Vunipola 2017

Women’s rugby is a box ticking exercise for the politically correct. Just because sport should be all inclusive doesn’t make it any good. It’s completely inferior to the men’s game. The skill levels really aren’t there, which is why you get more people watching a local Saturday team than a women’s premiership match, and why there’s no money in it.

AdeyWomen’s rugby is a box ticking exercise for the politically correct. Just because sport should be all inclusive doesn’t make it any good. It’s completely inferior to the men’s game. The skill levels really aren’t there, which is why you get more people watching a local Saturday team than a women’s premiership match, and why there’s no money in it.

Adey is fully buying in to the #metoo campaign!

All women's sport is looked at as being inferior as it's always being directly compared to the mens versions of those sports. It shouldn't. Some of the Saracens/Quins Womens games have been every bit as exciting as the Saracen's mens games but maybe for different reasons. That does not make it inferior!

It's interesting to note that womens sport - in particular team sport - is considered inferior by many when it's competing with an established mens equivalent, especially football, cricket and rugby. A notable exception is cycling ... before it was targeted by Sport UK and the Lottery for funding, the sport was fairly niche. The public funding was given to both men and women. As a result, womens cycling is regarded as on a par with the men, as they were never playing "catch-up.

Even more dramatic is the rise of the round ball game in the US. They were never a force in mens football, so the women started in an equally poor position. Whilst baseball, gridiron and hockey have attracted the best young men, football has had the pick of the girls.

Hence the US women have been finalists in all 8 Womens WCs since the first in 1991, and won four of them, the mens team is nowhere near the same standard.

dixipusi watched this carefully on replay several times. Will was practically stationary, caught flat footed as oppo passed. Oppo then fastened his eye on Will and ran four or five strides straight at him. More a case of ref deceived in my view. Surprised at 4 weeks. Who argued the defence?

You watched a completely different incident from me then. I saw late, no arms and shoulder to the chin. Under current guidelines that's a red every time. Don't argue that its difficult for a big man to get out of the way in these types of challenges but for Skelton to get shoulder to chin it had to be him dipping not the other player.

different view from me too

all I saw was crossing; penalty to Saracens

oh and unfortunately one of those 'I'll get the bloke sent off' actions that seem to be creeping into the game

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