The most recent CB signed was . . . Antoine Cason (Arizona) took one-year, $1.5 million deals

Antoine is perfect for Nickel CB, hopefully for less that the 3M he was wanting, and for a short-term deal

From the PFF Article:

Quote "Though he may not have been able to touch the top corners when it came to coverage alone, he still ranked inside the Top 20 in that area and teamed with it an ability that is completely unmatched by his cornerback peers — his play against the run and the short passing game.

Against the run Winfield’s grade was almost twice as good as any other corner. On the season he made 44 stops (tackles that constitute an offensive failure), which was a dozen more than the next best player. Of those stops, 26 were in the run game, logging one on 7.3% of his run snaps, again the top mark by a corner by some distance and one that is actually closer to the norm for linebackers than it is among corners."

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He scores high for his play against the run. PFF concedes Sherm is far superior in coverage.

Not a bad element to add to the D, though. Depends on the cost.

As much as the run and short game killed us the second half of the season, he would be a nice addition. If Thurmond is healthy, I'd much rather have him but its good to have extra insurance. Plus it kind of says something about Lane when the PC would rather stay with an old, slow Trufant, than let Lane play. He's a great gunner tho, but have not seen enough of him in coverage

Though he may not have been able to touch the top corners when it came to coverage alone, he still ranked inside the Top 20 in that area and teamed with it an ability that is completely unmatched by his cornerback peers — his play against the run and the short passing game.

He has an unrivaled ability to read and react to runs or short screens and passes to his side of the field, practically removing them as a viable option for the offense he faces. At his best, Darrelle Revis can take one receiver out of the game, but rarely does he make a huge impact against the run or on quick screens to other receivers on the same side of the formation. Winfield won’t take away a receiver the way Revis or Sherman can, but he can virtually take away an entire side of the field when it comes to the run game or bubble screens and other tricky plays such as end-arounds or reverses.

Between him and Sherman I think the Seahawks could be something epic. I'd pay the guy what he's worth, which is more, IMO, than people on here seem to think.

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This guy is a stud who has performed in a professional manner for a long long time. A quintessential student of the game who will probably go down in history as the greatest cornerback vs the run over his entire career in the history of the game.

Would be a much better signing than Woodson, who many were clamoring for.

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JSeahawks wrote:Sign him to the veterans minimum and let him compete. Although I'd prefer Thurmond and Lane.

You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.

He might be a good backup to Sherman and Browner as well. I don't have much faith that Walter can go a whole season and its his last year under contract as well. I am a big fan of Lane, I thought he did well in his 2 games as the 5th DB. The big thing he has over all the rest of our DBs is speed. In mini camp last year he did a 4.39 and 4.40 which is the fastest on the team except perhaps for Harvin.

All I know is if we get Winfield then the Flynn deal probably looks even better. He can probably be had for about $3 million on a one year deal with the right team. Cap space saved by trading Flynn for 2013 was $3.25 million.

JSeahawks wrote:Sign him to the veterans minimum and let him compete. Although I'd prefer Thurmond and Lane.

You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.

Thank you for the advice. I will be sure and do a minimum of 15 minutes research before sharing my meaningless opinion in each post from this point forward.

I understand he's very good at what he does. I also know that he's 35 and that his coverage skills have already begun to decline rather dramatically although he's still very good against the run. Thurmond is the 2nd best cover corner on the team when healthy and Lane showed me a lot last year as well. I'd much rather have a decade of each of those guys then 1 year of Winfield. (although i'd gladly take all 3 and lose Trufant and Maxwell).

Doesnt surprise me that the REdskins would offer to pay him a lot of money, their owner is one of the biggest idiots in the NFL. If Winfield is their starter on the outside WR's are going to be licking their chops, and fighting to line up across from him.

JSeahawks wrote:Sign him to the veterans minimum and let him compete. Although I'd prefer Thurmond and Lane.

You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.

Thank you for the advice. I will be sure and do a minimum of 15 minutes research before sharing my meaningless opinion in each post from this point forward.

I understand he's very good at what he does. I also know that he's 35 and that his coverage skills have already begun to decline rather dramatically although he's still very good against the run. Thurmond is the 2nd best cover corner on the team when healthy and Lane showed me a lot last year as well. I'd much rather have a decade of each of those guys then 1 year of Winfield. (although i'd gladly take all 3 and lose Trufant and Maxwell).

Doesnt surprise me that the REdskins would offer to pay him a lot of money, their owner is one of the biggest idiots in the NFL. If Winfield is their starter on the outside WR's are going to be licking their chops, and fighting to line up across from him.

Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Who were the other DBS on he Vikings? Crickets. Now imagine other elite players around Winfield. Good stuff. Lets win now and develop guys like lane. We don't have to push him into a starting role just because. Signing a great player for one year is not going to hinde anyone development.

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Nateruw wrote:He's so physical against the run that I wonder if they are considering playing him at SS. Maybe Kam is getting cold feet?

That is probably the weirdest first post I have seen on this board.

Welcome to the .NET community, but damn.

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Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. Calling him our second best cover guy is asinine. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, much better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.

Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. Calling him our second best cover guy is asinine. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.

Show me their numbers against each other. All five of thurmonds snaps. Reliablity is extremely important.

It's like calling Matt Flynn elite based on his nine passes last year.

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Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. Calling him our second best cover guy is asinine. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.

Show me their numbers against each other. All five of thurmonds snaps. Reliablity is extremely important.

Thats a completely different argument. I agree Thurmond isnt very reliable. Which is why I said i would like to have all 3 of Thurmond, Lane and Winfield.

Seemed like you were advocating Thurmond and lane over Winfield pretty hard there. Thurmond admittedly being extremely unreliable in both skill and play time, or lane a second year small school guy who primarily is an outside guy. Don't get me wrong, I want our guys to develop and hope they turn into gems. I just think Winfield has proven his craft. We want to upgrade in every way possible. If we don't sign him, I would be shocked if we don't draft a player to compete with the others. Can't imagine we are happy with the play at that spot (or present talent level). Tru playing ahead of those guys all year says a lot.

I wanted Woodson, but the more I think about it this signing would be outstanding too. Charles has the ability to play 3rd safety, however I bridge Winfield's overall game right NOW makes up for that. Him as our nickel would be insane

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Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Seemed like you were advocating Thurmond and lane over Winfield pretty hard there. Thurmond admittedly being extremely unreliable in both skill and play time, or lane a second year small school guy who primarily is an outside guy. Don't get me wrong, I want our guys to develop and hope they turn into gems. I just think Winfield has proven his craft. We want to upgrade in every way possible. If we don't sign him, I would be shocked if we don't draft a player to compete with the others. Can't imagine we are happy with the play at that spot (or present talent level). Tru playing ahead of those guys all year says a lot.

I was advocating signing Winfield for the smallest amount possible then letting them all compete in camp. I'd prefer that Thurmond and Lane win that combination based on them possibly having long term futures with the team.

I'd just like to throw out there the success Carroll and Schneider have had drafting and then developing secondary players. I don't think it's beyond possibility that either Lane, Thurmond, or even a rookie is better than what Winfield, at 35, could give us this year. Lane seems like good depth on the outside and, of course, Thurmond hasn't been able to stay healthy, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make for viable options in Training Camp.

That said I'm also not opposed to bringing Winfield in because his tackling, wiles, and short area quickness might still be perfect for the slot. If it's a decent short term deal it might be too good to pass up.

bestfightstory wrote:This guy is a stud who has performed in a professional manner for a long long time. A quintessential student of the game who will probably go down in history as the greatest cornerback vs the run over his entire career in the history of the game.

Would be a much better signing than Woodson, who many were clamoring for.

You know more about Vikings players than anyone, so I second your endorsement.

JSeahawks wrote:Sign him to the veterans minimum and let him compete. Although I'd prefer Thurmond and Lane.

You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.

Thank you for the advice. I will be sure and do a minimum of 15 minutes research before sharing my meaningless opinion in each post from this point forward.

I understand he's very good at what he does. I also know that he's 35 and that his coverage skills have already begun to decline rather dramatically although he's still very good against the run. Thurmond is the 2nd best cover corner on the team when healthy and Lane showed me a lot last year as well. I'd much rather have a decade of each of those guys then 1 year of Winfield. (although i'd gladly take all 3 and lose Trufant and Maxwell).

Doesnt surprise me that the REdskins would offer to pay him a lot of money, their owner is one of the biggest idiots in the NFL. If Winfield is their starter on the outside WR's are going to be licking their chops, and fighting to line up across from him.

Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Who were the other DBS on he Vikings? Crickets. Now imagine other elite players around Winfield. Good stuff. Lets win now and develop guys like lane. We don't have to push him into a starting role just because. Signing a great player for one year is not going to hinde anyone development.

Thurmond is a duck, J is a duck. FWIW I like III, dude just can't stay on the field though.

The perfect veteran addition to our defense. I'd prefer him to Woodson, Urlacher, Freeney, or Abraham as it stands right now. He would be an immediate upgrade at one of our teams biggest weaknesses. This would be an instant impact move and I see no downside here, he'd keep the young DB's in line, make plays and give us more flexability in the draft.

I am for drafting a nickel CB but to get a potential starting nickle CB we'd have to spend a 2nd or 3rd. Wouldn't you rather use that somewhere else?

Could it be that Lane and Maxwell are not meant for the slot? WT3 is soo injury prone that unless he absolutly dominates when he gets on the field his roster spot needs to be considered available.

Let's get Winfield and when we play in the SB against Denver or NE he will match up perfect against Welker or Amendola

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Sports Hernia wrote:Thurmond is a duck, J is a duck. FWIW I like III, dude just can't stay on the field though.

I'm a husky and I think Thurmond is an incredible talent, what's your point?

If Thurmond could stay healthy, wow our secondary would be that much more incredible. Thurmond could play either starting CB spot and I believe there wouldn't be a huge drop off in our CB play. The problem is we can't count on him, but that shouldn't take away from his talent. And yes, I'm basing MY OPINION off the small size of Thurmond on the field.

Nateruw wrote:He's so physical against the run that I wonder if they are considering playing him at SS. Maybe Kam is getting cold feet?

That is probably the weirdest first post I have seen on this board.

Welcome to the .NET community, but damn.

Thanks. Just trying to think outside the box. Obviously he is more nickel material and most likely insurance for Thurman. But Kam's contract situation reminds me a little of Clem's last year. Signing Winfield could also add some insurance for a Kam holdout if we are willing to move him around for run support. After all we are trying to extend Kam and with the freed up cap space from Flynn's trade, it seems a little wierd to be bringing in another vet when JS is on record saying we are working on our own guys. Especially when we can front load Kam's deal right now, no?

NorthDallas40oz wrote:You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.

Thank you for the advice. I will be sure and do a minimum of 15 minutes research before sharing my meaningless opinion in each post from this point forward.

I understand he's very good at what he does. I also know that he's 35 and that his coverage skills have already begun to decline rather dramatically although he's still very good against the run. Thurmond is the 2nd best cover corner on the team when healthy and Lane showed me a lot last year as well. I'd much rather have a decade of each of those guys then 1 year of Winfield. (although i'd gladly take all 3 and lose Trufant and Maxwell).

Doesnt surprise me that the REdskins would offer to pay him a lot of money, their owner is one of the biggest idiots in the NFL. If Winfield is their starter on the outside WR's are going to be licking their chops, and fighting to line up across from him.

Dude, Thurmond has proved absolutely nothing. I just dont undersrand the love fest there. He has been serviceable at best when he is actually on the field. 1 year of elite play at one of our primary weak points is a huge gain. If Thurmond and lane are so great have them try and beat out Winfield. Good luck.

Who were the other DBS on he Vikings? Crickets. Now imagine other elite players around Winfield. Good stuff. Lets win now and develop guys like lane. We don't have to push him into a starting role just because. Signing a great player for one year is not going to hinde anyone development.

The nature of Jseahawks' opinion becomes a little clearer when you understand that he's an Oregon U homer, and Walter Thurmond III is an Oregon U alumnus. For the record, I agree with you in that he's yet to truly prove himself for any reasonable length of time. Any player can look awesome when their sample size is about 5 minutes of film.

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From the descriptions he sounds like a nice addition. I am from Oregon. I think Thurmond has had his chance and Marcus is not a option anymore as a rotational player. If this guy is good vs the run it means he has physical presence but I think Tru was good vs run too. As a fan I want a corner that isn't burned like Toast every third.

I'll give you 16 to 1 odds that Winfield is a Seahawk by next week. Book it, literally.

Seriously though, I would be all about this move. When it comes to Minnesota Vikings joining the Seahawks, I trust bestfightstory's knowledge on the matter. If bfs thinks Winfield is the man then HE'S MANN!!! I honestly can't believe Winfield is still as effective as he is. Most corners hit the wall fast when they get old (Madison, Tru, Surtain, the list goes on and on), not this dude. And he hits like a mofo, IMO the perfect fit at Nickel CB and not only that but with Winfield/Lane/the idea of Walter Thurmond III/Maxwell/possible draftee you're almost guaranteed to improve upon Tru's performance in the position last season.

I like it. If he's available at a reasonable price, it just adds depth to one of our areas of strength. I'm comfortable with WTIII and Gay, but Winfield is a more proven commodity, and adds experience as well. It's a no lose proposition IMO.