TLJ was actually the best Star Wars movie. It explored the philosophical concepts that every action has a consequence, and that decisions are neither good nor bad in and of themselves. There is always a gray area in everything.

The rich slave-owners building weapons for both sides are amazing parables to how capitalism and war-profiteering have separated classes in America. And making a mistake we regret--like the one second Luke questioned Kylo's loyalties, pushing him further towards the Dark Side--is an abstract we can all relate to. Luke isn't perfect, he's human. Kylo killing Snoke, his mentor, because he believed he and Rey could surpass him ties in with that; Kylo feels betrayed by father figures, so he kills them because he thinks it'll be freeing.

There were some epic scenes, too. Holdo's sacrifice. Yoda's appearance. Snoke's death. Luke brushing his shoulder off after the whole army unloads its cannons on his projection. I've never gone "OH SHIT" as much in any Star Wars film.

If you didn't like it, then have no fear. The incessant, whiny, nerd outrage over how exploratory the last film was didn't go unnoticed. Your wish for them to go back to the boring way Star Wars always was looks to be fulfilled. We'll just focus on the same family, pretending they're the only ones who are special, while recycling the tired, played-out idealism of good vs. evil. Hell, it's been 39 years since Episode 5 and you're still using the same final boss.

TLJ was actually the best Star Wars movie. It explored the philosophical concepts that every action has a consequence, and that decisions are neither good nor bad in and of themselves. There is always a gray area in everything.

The rich slave-owners building weapons for both sides are amazing parables to how capitalism and war-profiteering have separated classes in America. And making a mistake we regret--like the one second Luke questioned Kylo's loyalties, pushing him further towards the Dark Side--is an abstract we can all relate to. Luke isn't perfect, he's human. Kylo killing Snoke, his mentor, because he believed he and Rey could surpass him ties in with that; Kylo feels betrayed by father figures, so he kills them because he thinks it'll be freeing.

There were some epic scenes, too. Holdo's sacrifice. Yoda's appearance. Snoke's death. Luke brushing his shoulder off after the whole army unloads its cannons on his projection. I've never gone "OH SHIT" as much in any Star Wars film.

If you didn't like it, then have no fear. The incessant, whiny, nerd outrage over how exploratory the last film was didn't go unnoticed. Your wish for them to go back to the boring way Star Wars always was looks to be fulfilled. We'll just focus on the same family, pretending they're the only ones who are special, while recycling the tired, played-out idealism of good vs. evil. Hell, it's been 39 years since Episode 5 and you're still using the same final boss.

Oh please.
TLJ was a slow-speed police chase with side stories that tried to be aesops about weighty topics but ended up feeling contrived.

It was not a great movie, but it was an even worse "Star Wars" movie.

It doesn't matter how many Medium, Kotaku or New York Times thinkpieces get written on it, nor how often they compare Star Wars fans to screeching man-babies or overstimulated toddlers.

It's a mediocre movie and a bad consumer product.

It succeeded on basically no level.
It's not good enough on it's own merits to be anything more then mediocre sci-fi pap and as a cynical Disney-helmed cash grab, it didn't sell toys. In fact, between it's failure and the under-performance of Solo, it's reduced the value of the Star Wars brand.

Is it the worst thing to happen to the brand? Probably not. Star Wars has a long history of cynical cashgrabs and downright awful content. But Star Wars after The Force Awakens and Rogue One was a hot, profitable brand.
Now? After they squeak out this movie they're going to make it disappear for a few years to let it air out.
Successful films don't do their to their franchise.

Yes, it's better than the fanboys give it credit for. But that doesn't mean it's a good, thoughtful movie either.

TLJ was actually the best Star Wars movie. It explored the philosophical concepts that every action has a consequence, and that decisions are neither good nor bad in and of themselves. There is always a gray area in everything.

I think we're just at a point where OT Star Wars isn't the main childhood nostalgia movie thing anymore.

Kids born in the 70s and 80s grew up with Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, RoboCop, Terminator 1 & 2, etc.

Kids born in the 90s probably gravitate towards Harry Potter and the LotR trilogy, and maybe the SW prequels, as their childhood nostalgia things.

Of course for kids born in the 00s and onward the MCU dominates. It's everywhere.

I have no doubt that the Star Wars OT will be remade in 10-15 years.

What made the original trilogy great was that it was a solid action/sci-fantasy story. Basic plots but great fun. The downfall of the later movies is that they all tried to be something more and explain a lot of the backstory and lore. And that's pretty much true for most of the great action movies of the late 70's through the 80's.

TLJ (The Last Jedi) wasn't horrible, but it wasn't anything spectacular either. Great action sequences and visuals, as usual per the SW series, kept it watchable - thank God for that stuff.

A lot of the TLJ issues had to do had to do with predictable stuff and nonsensical stuff. A grumpy Luke (which doesn't seem like he would ever become that way, as he always had Hope and Faith, no matter what...until someone else took over the franchise) - just seemed to be way out of character for him; and b/c this was an on-going thing, this was really annyoing.

Throw in the predictability of Kylo turning on Snoke (to further try to make him the ultimate evil, which was already painfully obvious after he did in his dad in back in Ep 7) and that he was Han Solo's kid (which was trying to make his dad's death supposedly more important, but really felt predictable) - it really made the story and character development felt predictable and/or pedestrian. This a lot of "important character seems to be related in some shape or fashion" thing in general was been, has been, and still is so overdone in any medium of things (movies, games, TV shows, etc) - yeah, it can get really tiring.

For me, Rogue One and Solo were more entertaining than TLJ. Not that Rogue One and Solo were great or anything, but they were certainly solid and overall better than TLJ.

And honestly, there hasn't been a great SW trilogy (of movies) since Eps 4,5,6; and the last great SW games were KOTOR 1 & 2.

With at least those 2 involved, that sounds like a good start - at least for writing, dialogue, story, character, and narrative. Hopefully, all goes well and will gel well.

Respawn has a pedigree for excellent combat and gameplay w/ their past history before Respawn (many ex-IW dev's from the good COD's from COD1 up to COD:MW2, excluding COD3 and recent COD's) and current history w/ Respawn (Apex Legends and Titanfall series).

So, hopefully all of this gels well altogether. Only time will time.

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Cal Kestis (the protagonist for this game) is being voice-acted by Cameron Monaghan (from Shameless US TV series & Gotham TV series):

A lot of the TLJ issues had to do had to do with predictable stuff and nonsensical stuff. A grumpy Luke (which doesn't seem like he would ever become that way, as he always had Hope and Faith, no matter what...until someone else took over the franchise) - just seemed to be way out of character for him; and b/c this was an on-going thing, this was really annyoing.

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Luke has always been a whiny little bitch, at least for all of 4, 5, and part of 6, its in his nature, just like his father who was a whiny little bitch through all of 1,2,3. It seems completely in character for him to be a grumpy ass when he got older as thats just the extension of being a whiny bitch younger in life

Oh yeah man, Lando? Glad we brought him back, played by the same actor. Hope they go back to Dagobah too. Maybe they can bring back Jabba the Hutt, throw in Greedo's relatives. Darth Vader force ghost.

Let's just do a remake of Episode 6 with updated graphics so the neckbeards can have their high space fantasy GURPS experience they remember from the golden days of their youths. Also, no women. Kill off Rey and Leia and let's make it about Those Skywalker Boys again. Why's there a black guy main character? Next thing you know, they'll have Mexicans in there too. YOU HEAR THAT DISNEY, MAKE SURE YOU MAKE IT EXACTLY THE WAY I WANT IT!!!

A grumpy Luke (which doesn't seem like he would ever become that way, as he always had Hope and Faith, no matter what...

Good ole Luke, hanging out with the frog nuns and guinea pig puffins and sucking on space walrus teats while watching his DVD collections.

I stopped being invested in Star Wars about the same time I stopped losing action figures in the backyard but life has me seeing these movies anyway. Kylo Ren has all the menace and threat of a damp sponge which means I have no feeling of stakes or concern throughout the films. Parts of TLJ were entertaining, parts were drawn-out and boring (casino romp) and some parts were just dumb. Certainly not the worst movie I've seen but I don't know why anyone would be excited for more of it.

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What made the original trilogy great was that it was a solid action/sci-fantasy story. Basic plots but great fun. The downfall of the later movies is that they all tried to be something more and explain a lot of the backstory and lore. And that's pretty much true for most of the great action movies of the late 70's through the 80's.

Yeah, agreed. Lucas was inspired by a whole range of things - Kurosawa, Flash Gordon, westerns, etc. SW is a straightforward good and evil tale with what was then a unique and dazzling spin. Then Empire came along and just told a damn good story while putting its characters through the ringer.

JJ Abrams' inspiration for TFA was... the original SW trilogy. Lucas may have gone mad during the prequels with things like Jar Jar and midichlorians, but those movies at least feel like a separate set of films with a different vision albeit tied to the OT as a backstory.

JJ is a better producer than director. The closest thing to being a trademark of his work is lens flares. TFA is an entertaining movie with great characters, but I cooled off on it after subsequent viewings. Then TLJ came along and shat on everything.

As for the MCU, while those movies are well-made and entertaining I find them utterly forgettable. They have a good thing going and have benefited from having Feige as the overlord. However, MCU movies are like live action adaptations of cartoons, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but nothing sticks with me personally. Watch, enjoy, forget until the next episode.

I'll mention RoboCop again. It's a sci-fi action movie that tackles all sorts of topics such as mass media influence, business corruption, corporatization of police, urban decay, and so on. It has heart and emotion but also deftly incorporates dark humor and satire, most importantly NOT at the expense of the drama or social commentary (complementary to those, in fact). All of this in 100 minutes. RoboCop is a perfect, timeless movie.

Nobody will ever say any such thing about Thor 2, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man 2, etc. Sadly the new SW trilogy could end up being one giant missed opportunity and not having any kind of staying power. Maybe the other trilogy in development by the Game of Thrones producers will inject some life into SW. Or it'll be about the great grandfather of Greedo, who crosses paths with the great grandfather of Boba Fett.

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