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A W, you seem to have trouble following conversations, so I'm going to put the whole thing here in one easy to read post.

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Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.

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Originally Posted by justincredible

Not true.
My father was a far more social person than I am, and my kid has way better electronics to distract him from the real world.
My grand kids will probably have a Star Trek like holo-deck; at that point I expect the human race to just fizzle out.

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Originally Posted by A W

History shows that's not the case, even if there are millions of people involved in wars.

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Originally Posted by justincredible

History has never had to face men ****ing digital women in a holodeck rather than having to go out and deal with actual women.

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Originally Posted by A W

So because we're not overpopulated as it is to begin with, you want more orphans and alimony?

Perfect, we'll end up just like China and India.

The heart wants what it wants but that doesn't mean it's automatically a good thing.

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Originally Posted by justincredible

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying people of the future will be literally ****ing their computers like Riker from Star Trek.

There's nothing wrong with that seeing as how there's less of a chance someone like you would be born if all they ever mated with was robots.

You see, SCRAPPY made the comment that his kids will inherit the same world he did, so I made a light hearted comment about people spending more time on social media and less time physically socializing and how once a Star Trek holodeck is invented people will just live out their fantasies in there rather than going out and breeding.

Somehow you felt that involved human history and war.

So, maintaining the light hearted nature of my first post I made the comment that men would much rather deal with a computer that can simulate the sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch of a woman and then be turned off over dealing with the WAPCE nature of real women, and that history has never seen such a thing.

Are you with me so far? I hope so, because it was at that point that you changed gears again and went off in some other direction which confused me, so I attempted to bring things back to my original point using a video.

I think the video did the trick though, because it was at that point you you decided to lash out rather than going off in another direction again.

Nah. It's the fact that most everyone out there has the need to spawn and breed. At least your kids, or their kids may be NASA astronauts required to launch to find another Earf to inhabit cuz we are killing this sumbeotch three ways to Sunday.

I'd love to see the tax code changed too. Kids = no deductions. Quit putting socialism upon society. If you want to have the chillrens, pay for them yourself instead of getting a handout from the government.

Sort of ? Coming from nothing to being in an ivory tower now gives me rare perspective. Trying to share that perspective, for the most part, gets people angry. But for the few that get it, I hope it can be eye-opening/motivating.

Nah. It's the fact that most everyone out there has the need to spawn and breed. At least your kids, or their kids may be NASA astronauts required to launch to find another Earf to inhabit cuz we are killing this sumbeotch three ways to Sunday.

I'd love to see the tax code changed too. Kids = no deductions. Quit putting socialism upon society. If you want to have the chillrens, pay for them yourself instead of getting a handout from the government.

I would happily pay a flat tax, no exemptions. No refunds either for anybody. Income * XYZ = you owe this much. That would save me a HELL of a lot more than any income deduction for kids, which if you had kids you would know is next to nothing worth bragging about.

Honda Motor Company showed its NeuV concept electric car at the Consumer Electronics Show in Shanghai in June. Credit Qilai Shen/Bloomberg

TIANJIN, China — Volkswagen, the German auto giant, is preparing for a swift expansion in its output of electric cars next year — and the biggest jump in production will be in China. General Motors is making China the hub of its electric car research and development. Renault-Nissan, the French and Japanese carmaker, and Ford Motor have hustled to set up joint electric-car ventures in China.

Global automakers see the future of electric cars, and it looks Chinese. The biggest players are shifting crucial scientific and design work to China as the country invests heavily in car-charging stations and research and pushes automakers to embrace battery-powered vehicles.

China underscored that ambition over the weekend, when it said it would eventually ban the sale of gasoline- and diesel-powered cars at an unspecified date.

But the auto industry’s response — moving electric car design and production to China — represents a big risk.

From high-speed trains to wind turbines, China has long prodded American, European and Japanese companies to hand over their know-how in exchange for access to its exciting new market. Then Chinese companies have used that knowledge and lavish government support to take on foreign rivals.
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China wants the big players to share their electric car knowledge, too. The foreign automakers face new Chinese regulations that put heavy legal pressure on them to transfer electric-car technology to their local partners. Chinese officials are also set to impose stringent regulations that would force automakers like Volkswagen and G.M. to sell new-energy cars in the country if they want to continue selling the old-fashioned gasoline-powered types as well.
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Still, Western companies say that they know the risks of transferring technology — and that the opportunities could help them reach their own electric car ambitions faster.

“We are in a learning process with them together,” said Jochem Heizmann, the chief executive of Volkswagen’s China operations. “That process is much faster than we are used to doing these things. In our normal processes, it would not be possible to come to the market next year.”

Electric cars are part of a broader debate about the country’s industrial ambitions. Under a plan called Made in China 2025, China hopes to become a dominant player in a number of other futuristic new technologies, like artificial intelligence and robotics. Chinese officials argue that the push will help develop China’s economy and make it less dependent on foreign technology, a dependence that could expose it to security risks.

Some business groups and lawmakers — and increasingly, members of President Trump’s administration — say company executives give away valuable trade secrets for the sake of short-term gains.

“Multinational firms are already starting to cave in to China’s policies, putting in jeopardy the future of this sector and countless jobs and economic benefits,” said Michael Wessel, a commissioner of the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which was set up by Congress to monitor the bilateral relationship.

Auto executives insist that they are using good judgment. Rules that China issued in January requiring them to share technology are vaguely worded and could allow at least some components to be made abroad and imported. Chinese officials said here this weekend at China’s main annual automotive technology conference that they would introduce policies that would help attract more foreign investment in its new-energy vehicles, giving some hope to foreign auto executives.

“We have no concerns relative to the amount of I.P. that has to be shared,” said Matt Tsien, the president of G.M.’s China operations, referring to intellectual property.
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General Motors has been collaborating with its partner, the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation, on advanced hybrid cars like the Chevrolet Volt, which G.M. brought to China last spring as the Buick Velite. Hybrids like the Volt run on both battery power and gasoline.

“We have a philosophy, from an overall perspective, that we build where we sell,” Mr. Tsien said.

Ford said only that it would comply with all Chinese rules on joint ventures and that its new pact with China’s Zotye Auto is preliminary. Renault-Nissan said that its new joint venture with China’s Dongfeng Motor, called eGT, will design a new electric car that will be produced at a Dongfeng factory in the Chinese city of Shiyan. Honda Motor is planning to make an electric car in China next year, while Toyota plans to make a plug-in hybrid car in the country.

The joint ventures alone may not make China a leader in electric cars. G.M., Volkswagen and other major automakers have made regular cars with Chinese partners for decades, and China had hoped its automakers would learn how to make their own worldbeating brands. Instead, Chinese automakers grew comfortable making Chevrolets and Volkswagens for local drivers. Only recently have foreign automakers begun exporting Chinese-made cars to buyers back home.

Still, China has a number of ways it can stay ahead in the electric car race.

Gao Feng Advisory, a Beijing-based consulting firm, estimates that China will have spent about $15 billion by 2020 installing charging stations for electric cars. China spent more than $1 billion subsidizing research and development by 2015, with more still coming.

Generous subsidies for car buyers that can reach $9,000 have also helped pique interest, though China plans to phase them out by 2020. Sales of battery-powered cars in China could top 400,000 by 2019, according to LMC Automotive, a global consulting company, adding up to about two-fifths of the world’s sales of such cars.

Wang Panpan, a migrant worker in Shanghai from central China, said that he rented a locally built electric JAC iEV5 in Shanghai because electricity was cheaper than gasoline. The only nuisance: running a long extension cord from his Shanghai apartment to wherever he managed to park his car.
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Now he wants to replace his gasoline-powered Nissan Cedric in his hometown. “If I have the money, I will change to an electric one,” he said. “It saves money, and it is environmentally friendly.”

More broadly, global automakers feel that they must grow in a country that has become the world’s largest car market, one almost as big as the American and European markets combined.

“Why don’t the automakers call this out?” said Michael Dunne, a former president of G.M.’s Indonesia operations and longtime consultant on the Chinese auto market. “Well, the guys on the line are reluctant.”

Auto executives say that they have no choice but to keep doubling down on their big bets on electric cars in China. At the Shanghai auto show last spring, more than 190 different models of electric cars were on display, although many of them were concept cars that would need refinements before they could go into mass production.

“We will increase it even further — we’re honestly not very concerned about the tech transfer,” said Hubertus Troska, the chairman and chief executive of greater China at Daimler, which makes Mercedes and Smart cars. “This is the coolest, most attractive car market in the world right now.”

I would happily pay a flat tax, no exemptions. No refunds either for anybody. Income * XYZ = you owe this much. That would save me a HELL of a lot more than any income deduction for kids, which if you had kids you would know is next to nothing worth bragging about.

It's still extra money you get back that folks without the chillrens do not get.
Agree on a flat tax. Maybe the Orangutan will get some changes done.

People with kids also contribute more to the economy. We buy diapers, wipes, toys, clothes, medicine, sports gear, school fees, bikes, and lets not forget education. So complain about people with kids all you want and cling to your 'simple' life, but we parents contribute more than we ever get back.

One does not even know what real love or happiness is until you hold your own child in your arms. At that moment the very person you are and ever will be is forever changed. You start living your life for somebody else.

We pay our fair share into the system I promise you. Parents do not get off easy financially. But I would pay twice as much and never complain about it as my kids fill me with more joy than any amount of money could ever do.

People with kids also contribute more to the economy. We buy diapers, wipes, toys, clothes, medicine, sports gear, school fees, bikes, and lets not forget education. So complain about people with kids all you want and cling to your 'simple' life, but we parents contribute more than we ever get back.

One does not even know what real love or happiness is until you hold your own child in your arms. At that moment the very person you are and ever will be is forever changed. You start living your life for somebody else.

We pay our fair share into the system I promise you. Parents do not get off easy financially. But I would pay twice as much and never complain about it as my kids fill me with more joy than any amount of money could ever do.

ya, simple lifers can suck it.

if people want to talk about deductions and cost of living point your finger to old people. Most live off social security and medicaid and have the highest cost of living. Theyre pretty much parasites lol, unless they saved like me and can still give back to the economy

People with kids also contribute more to the economy. We buy diapers, wipes, toys, clothes, medicine, sports gear, school fees, bikes, and lets not forget education. So complain about people with kids all you want and cling to your 'simple' life, but we parents contribute more than we ever get back.

One does not even know what real love or happiness is until you hold your own child in your arms. At that moment the very person you are and ever will be is forever changed. You start living your life for somebody else.

We pay our fair share into the system I promise you. Parents do not get off easy financially. But I would pay twice as much and never complain about it as my kids fill me with more joy than any amount of money could ever do.

I dunno, I bought a lot of dumb and/or impractical **** before my son came along.
In all I think my contribution to the economy comes out to a wash. I just traded dinners, movies, and bars for museums, soccer games, and other kid things. I still do those other things, just less often.

I also knew real love and happiness perfectly well before the the little poop machine turned attitude machine came along. It was just different.

if people want to talk about deductions and cost of living point your finger to old people. Most live off social security and medicaid and have the highest cost of living. Theyre pretty much parasites lol, unless they saved like me and can still give back to the economy

Where's Jack when you need him? He could fill this entire thread with his "life savings first priority" posts.