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Apparently Adrian used to work for Haltech doing embedded design. And designed among other things the Interceptor Platinum for them, what the current PROcede is based on. He left to work for another non-automotive company and Haltech would bring him back here and there for updates as needed.

Shiv started buying from Haltech but needed more programming support than they could provide. So they put him in contact with Adrian. It got too expensive for Haltech so they let Shiv pay Adrian directly for support, and finally allowed Adrian to license use of the hardware he had designed working for them. As part of that license Haltech still builds the hardware for some set fee.

Adrian still works for another company and helps Shiv part time doing firmware updates.

For the long timers it's funny to hear the real story, as Shiv had outright denied working with Haltech around 4 years ago when switching from the XEde. Despite the obvious signs (like Haltech printed on the PROcede circuit board!)

Anyway Haltech offers a variety of newer interceptor type products and seems open to anyone in terms of volume licensing. Although Adrian is probably locked up exclusively with Shiv through some sort of consulting agreement. Not that we have any interest in that as we have the capability to design our own stuff but anyone with the money and interest can pursue it with Haltech. Some of their new stuff is pretty impressive!

Relying 100% on factory DME timing maps while boost is up to twice what the ECU thinks it is just isn't 'tuning' IMHO.

I completely agree with that. If our tuned cars were running the stock factory timing curve they would not survive more than one or two WOT passes. There are over 4500 JB3 out there running strong over the years and that is because they are running much less timing than stock. Generally the same advance you see with your PROcede if you reverse your logs back to actual timing advance. With the JB4 we've added a new parameter "average retard" which is used for autotuning, but also lets the user see on a 15 second rolling average how much timing less than stock they are running. Useful when evaluating octane among other things.

Out of interest what 'N54 advances' have been made by BMS, and I'm talking meaning things that have not been done before?

Originally Posted by Terry@BMS

We were the first in mid 2007 to question why a piggyback comprised of $80 worth of components for a car that is easy to tune should cost $1295-$1495. And to that end designed our own hardware from the ground up specifically for N54 tuning. Hardware that is in use by more N54s than any other N54 tune to this date.

In terms of technical advancements just off the top of my head we were the first to produce a downpipe fix, first to control fuel pressure, first to offer multiple maps, first to offer a shift light, first to offer a check sum check on our boot loader (lol), first to color match our PnP harness, first to offer a netbook compatible interface, first to allow user full air/fuel control, first to allow user to shape their boost curve vs. a single global % multiplier, first to offer steering wheel controls, in dash timing, in dash IAT, in dash code reading, etc. We've always used a completely different (less misfire prone) boost control mechanism and for the JB4 we've designed a whole new system that is working quite well in alpha testing.

In terms of performance we were the first in the 11s all turbo, first to 120mph, first to 125mph, first to 130mph, first to 400rw on pump gas, first to 450rw all turbo, first to 540rw w/ nitrous, and our customers hold most of the N54 performance records including worlds fastest N54 @ 132.5mph.

Also keep in mind many advancements Vishnu would take credit for, like integrated CAN, their form of isolated boost control, etc, were actually done by others first. Other items such as the in dash gauges and code reading all came from reverse engineering the BT cable. Other items like progressive meth CPE has offered for the N54 since day one, autotuning has been done on other platforms, etc.

Originally Posted by WOPALX

Only thing going again is your asked a question and instead of answering you duck and weave.

i guess you missed that one? i understand, its easy to miss things when your blind

i guess you missed that one? i understand, its easy to miss things when your blind

No did not miss it. Take multiple maps for instance. V1 had a user interface that allowed users to make adjustments... This was way back when JB users were dialing up their resister pots or adding 'hot pills' to further dial up boost on nothing other than a wing and a prayer.

Look at displaying items on the dash, Vishnu have been doing that since CAN integration and have progressively added more displays. BMS has only recently started to play with CAN and surprise surprise they too are adding display items to the dash. Not surprising they claim to be first, yet they are simply replicating what has already been done.

And you'd find that most 'blind' people can see through smoke and mirrors with amazing clarity; not that I'd expect you to understand that.

No did not miss it. Take multiple maps for instance. V1 had a user interface that allowed users to make adjustments... This was way back when JB users were dialing up their resister pots or adding 'hot pills' to further dial up boost on nothing other than a wing and a prayer.

Look at displaying items on the dash, Vishnu have been doing that since CAN integration and have progressively added more displays. BMS has only recently started to play with CAN and surprise surprise they too are adding display items to the dash. Not surprising they claim to be first, yet they are simply replicating what has already been done.

And you'd find that most 'blind' people can see through smoke and mirrors with amazing clarity; not that I'd expect you to understand that.

might wanna check your dates on that. Need to open your eyes to read though

might wanna check your dates on that. Need to open your eyes to read though

March 07, link here if you wish to check your history: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49753 , if I'm right Terry was still questioning Shiv at this time on e90post so he could make his own terry tuner. The user software allowed various maps to be loaded, certain parameters to be adjusted etc. Was it 08 or 09 when JB users finally got a software interface they could use on their laptops?

In April 07 that an Excede equipped n54 won the Bathurst 12hr, if you care to research you'll see the Vishnu involvement, not every one lives their life 1/4 mile at a time.

In terms of CAN integration this was functional in early 09, I checked my diary and that was one of several times Adrian did some development work on my car before he got his 135.

Questioning Shiv? You mean when I suggested one could tune the N54 with a few dollars in parts and he along with his "crew" chimed in to every thread to first explain why the $1295 pin out procede was the only answer? And then when our DIY tuner was clearly working well they'd chime in to spread FUD and bash?

I remember when the procede V2 came out we had a big showdown race in socal. JB2 v. V2. They claimed the V2 was running a normal off the shelf map, etc. After we beat what was supposed to be an average procede customer with the JB2 he jumped on the phone (@ midnight) to call Shiv and give him the update. Which seemed strange. Later I became friends with the guy and it turned out Shiv had sent him a "special" 20psi map to run along with a new intake system. He was supposed to beat me and then post the video online showing how superior the off the shelf procede was. Only we had foiled the plan LOL. Although I suspected what I was dealing with long before at that moment it became pretty clear.

March 07, link here if you wish to check your history: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49753 , if I'm right Terry was still questioning Shiv at this time on e90post so he could make his own terry tuner. The user software allowed various maps to be loaded, certain parameters to be adjusted etc. Was it 08 or 09 when JB users finally got a software interface they could use on their laptops?

In April 07 that an Excede equipped n54 won the Bathurst 12hr, if you care to research you'll see the Vishnu involvement, not every one lives their life 1/4 mile at a time.

In terms of CAN integration this was functional in early 09, I checked my diary and that was one of several times Adrian did some development work on my car before he got his 135.

Wrong. There were no "certain parameters to be adjusted". The linked post is not worth to be proud of really. Having the base map is basically the same as plugging the by-passes in. The stg0 and stg1 have the same parameters. Vishnu first thought cat-back map was useful, and then everyone was waiting for it, but the cat-back did not make much difference since DPs are the restriction and actually you were just fine with the stock exhaust map. However, Vishnu provided the cat-back map... They copied stg0 map and renamed it stg1. Everyone was happy It must be ok to lie a bit for pleasing the people

March 07, link here if you wish to check your history: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49753 , if I'm right Terry was still questioning Shiv at this time on e90post so he could make his own terry tuner. The user software allowed various maps to be loaded, certain parameters to be adjusted etc. Was it 08 or 09 when JB users finally got a software interface they could use on their laptops?

In April 07 that an Excede equipped n54 won the Bathurst 12hr, if you care to research you'll see the Vishnu involvement, not every one lives their life 1/4 mile at a time.

In terms of CAN integration this was functional in early 09, I checked my diary and that was one of several times Adrian did some development work on my car before he got his 135.

what happened in the 2010 bathurst 12 hr, someone claimed to run v4 and then i think they were caught in some sort of spinning of the truth, again.

"
1.In terms of technical advancements just off the top of my head we were the first to produce a downpipe fix,
2. first to control fuel pressure,
3.first to offer multiple maps,
4. first to offer a shift light,
5. first to offer a check sum check on our boot loader (lol),
6. first to color match our PnP harness,
7.first to offer a netbook compatible interface,
8. first to allow user full air/fuel control,
9. first to allow user to shape their boost curve vs. a single global % multiplier,
10first to offer steering wheel controls,
11 in dash timing,
12 in dash IAT,
13 in dash code reading, etc.
14 We've always used a completely different (less misfire prone) boost control mechanism
15 and for the JB4 we've designed a whole new system that is working quite well in alpha testing.

In terms of performance we were the first
16 in the 11s all turbo,
17 first to 120mph,
18 first to 125mph,
19first to 130mph,
20 first to 400rw on pump gas,
20 first to 450rw all turbo,
21 first to 540rw w/ nitrous,
and our customers hold most of the N54 performance records including worlds fastest N54 @ 132.5mph."

1. Maybe, not sure as I don't run catless so not really bothered with it.
2. Not sure on this one
3. No, V1 had multiple maps the user could load
4. Vishnu was first to display items on the dash
5. Granted this is true and would sort out issues with corrupted firmware that some users have
6. Vishnu was the first to introduce a PnP harness, and today this is all they sell due to the inherent risks of pin-out tapping of critical signals where tape etc can come loose
7. The Procede reader software has always worked on any windows compatible PC or Macs running emulation software
8. Not sure on this one, I like my tune to be PnP and allow the experts to be the tuner
9. See # 8 above
10. Sure, but Vishnu was the first to allow the control of tune functions via car controls
11. See #4 above, does the parameter really matter?
12. See #4 above, does the parameter really matter?
13. See #4 above, does the parameter really matter?
14. There have been misfire issues with JB3 as well, as Terry would know many misfire issues are car hardware related, not tuning. I have over 80,000klms on my AT, 75,000 tuned and have never had a single misfire.
15. Vaporware until it's on the market commercially available.

Regarding Bathurst yes Gary was initially running V3 or V4 but changed just prior to the race. This was discussed on N54tech if I recall with Adrian being very forthright on the issues.

Originally Posted by LostMarine

what happened in the 2010 bathurst 12 hr, someone claimed to run v4 and then i think they were caught in some sort of spinning of the truth, again.

"
1.In terms of technical advancements just off the top of my head we were the first to produce a downpipe fix,
2. first to control fuel pressure,
3.first to offer multiple maps,
4. first to offer a shift light,
5. first to offer a check sum check on our boot loader (lol),
6. first to color match our PnP harness,
7.first to offer a netbook compatible interface,
8. first to allow user full air/fuel control,
9. first to allow user to shape their boost curve vs. a single global % multiplier,
10first to offer steering wheel controls,
11 in dash timing,
12 in dash IAT,
13 in dash code reading, etc.
14 We've always used a completely different (less misfire prone) boost control mechanism
15 and for the JB4 we've designed a whole new system that is working quite well in alpha testing.

In terms of performance we were the first
16 in the 11s all turbo,
17 first to 120mph,
18 first to 125mph,
19first to 130mph,
20 first to 400rw on pump gas,
20 first to 450rw all turbo,
21 first to 540rw w/ nitrous,
and our customers hold most of the N54 performance records including worlds fastest N54 @ 132.5mph."

WOPLAX there is really no point in arguing with you. If you want to believe these concepts are all new to the N54, that I never touched a car until Shiv provided me with a detailed how-to guide, and that every feature we implement is copied from others, although you are wrong it is your right to hold those beliefs. This thread is re: the origins of the procede hardware and related claims. It seems to have gotten very off track.

WOPLAX there is really no point in arguing with you. If you want to believe these concepts are all new to the N54, that I never touched a car until Shiv provided me with a detailed how-to guide, and that every feature we implement is copied from others, although you are wrong it is your right to hold those beliefs. This thread is re: the origins of the procede hardware and related claims. It seems to have gotten very off track.

Fair enough, agree to disagree.

Thread got off track at about page 3 or 4 ..... but it's been great fun none the less