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Rick: Oh Cliff / Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if / You really are a cliff / when fascists keep trying to push you over it! / Are they the lemmings / Or are you, Cliff? / Or are you Cliff?

I am on some list that predates 911 for getting caught in an agricultural endeavor (24 years ago with 23g wet). I have been turned away while flying twice, and warned in no uncertain terms not to attempt to cross the border. Everyone but the US recognizes my pardon (which i've hadfor a dozen years)

dave

Same same. Don't bother. The pass is only good for a year, and in specific ways. Then they make you do it again. It's their way of justifying the rape of the economy to create that giant whale of a department. Check on that, but I think that's what you will find when you check on it.

Here's the killer.

They will take your prints, photos and supplied paperwork (so-called original record) and shop it around to every single law enforcement federal agency -in every country in the world. They will supply your personal information, in totality, to all of them. I was told this directly by the DHS. "Whew" I went, to myself. They lost my prints (which they took, twice) and wanted me to submit a form again, for another $400, and the full waiting period again. I declined. The loss of the information meant that they never even began the process of making my life potentially a living hell in every country the world, for exactly nothing.

I can still travel the rest of the world. No great loss. Too bad though, I know some folks in the states, and some places would be nice to see. Problem: They are going to try and integrate Canada and the US. What's the US gonna do then? Push us into the ocean? Those clowns need a serious headslapping.

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan. Sometimes the claims aren't extraordinary. Sometimes the weakness of men's minds are the culprit. Mass mentality has nothing to do with obviousness or truths.

This isn't a political site, so you'll have to take my rant about the War On Some Drugs as read.

Microsoft set up its new research department in Vancouver because they were tired of waiting years for the paperwork to clear the US; perhaps y'all could do the same with a DIYfest North. You'd be astonished at the number of people who showed up at Burning Amp saying: "I heard about this three days ago from a friend of a friend", so the Great White North event might be larger than you expect.

Originally posted by LuckyLyndy I'm sorry I wasn't there. It would have been fun to have
seen you in person Elf Lyndon Salt Lake City

Colin and I spent an evening in downtown Salt Lake City last
Monday on our way back from Denver. We were at the Marriot
next to the temple complex, and as it was early we went on a
walking tour of downtown, including the LDS grounds, visitor
center(s) and the original and modern church. We got the
acoustic demonstration with the torn paper and the dropped
pins from 150 feet away.