I've read enough on here to get some sense of WNs and their beliefs. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture." I mean, one can preserve their culture just by teaching it to their kids and, honestly, I don't understand what the harm is to having immigrants in our country. Do you guys have any idea what would happen to America if we exported all non-whites?

Furthermore, my real point is this: What is so awful about America today? We are currently the strongest nation in the world. As many of you have stated, you're normal people WITH jobs. What's so bad? Are you really that unhappy with your lives that you think there should be some sort of revolution to put the power into your hands? I just don't get it.

Of course they are not truly thinking things through. Take Arizona, for instance (in the study of Judith Gans, the immigration policy manager for the University of Arizona back in 2007):

An estimated 280,000 undoumented workers bought in nearly $2.4 billion in tax revenue for Arizona but used just $1.4 billion in government services, for a net gain for the state of $940 million. It was also stated that a "crackdown on undocumented workers would deciding as a matter of policy to shrink the [Arizona] economy" (while being amplified by the global economic meltdown).

Matter of fact, when the state pols and Joe Arpaio's deputies launched their "jihad" against the "illegal" (I prefer undocumented) workers, Arizona was at nearly full employment, with 4 percent joblessness; by 2010 that number had soared to 9 percent, and the state trailed only Nevada market in the rate of home foreclosures. And what is not documented is the fact that a large percentage of the foreclosures was the result of undocumented workers losing their homes due to harsher policies on immigration in this state. But despite all these crack downs, the state of Arizona has not benefitted in the least (their laws clearly being fueled by this myth or mere exaggeration of "illegal's" draining government services and depriving documented workers and native citzens of more job opportunities). The state of Arizona is so broke that they even had to resort to closing down their rest stops on the interstate!

Honestly, don't feed into the hype. I just find it funny that these "Patriots", "Constitution advocates" and "Founding Father evokers" were damn near nonexistent during the eight year reign of the Republicans dismantling of the economy, employment rates, social security (Medicare, really?), yet their extremism and militia activities are rising at skyrocketting proportions (I believe right-wing extremists and militiamen were labelled the greatest domestic terrorist threat above any black, latino or asian gangster in the latest home land security report. But of course that is just a "smear" tactic, right?) during this administration. I'll leave you with a "legit" quote (not some bogus b.s. I catch on some of these extremist websites) from John Adams:

"Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it." - John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

How he has been so wrong in his confidence in the Americans of this age who gravitate to the fearmongering of such hucksters like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity is probably causing the late great Founding Father to toss in his grave...

Western culture has been sliding downhill for the past 50 years. We are becoming a nation full of sexual perversion, crime, dependency, and degenerate behavior. We are told our nation belongs to all races, but other nations must remain racially homogeneous to preserve their culture. China and India are emerging superpowers, yet do you see them allowing hordes of refugees and alien races to flood across their borders? We will lose our status as a world power. Never in our history would we have tolerated this invasion of our lands. "What is so awful about America today" you ask? If this present trend is any indication, our future is looking bleak.

So you honestly don't care if an entire race is genocided out of existance?

Here's some food for the brain.

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"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

~ Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957

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"We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born. Our Control Commissions will, in the interests of peace and wiping out inter-racial tensions forbid the whites to mate with whites. The white women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples."

~ Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich's summation of the progress of his tribe, the Modern Tribe of Jews, toward One World under Jewry. Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest on January 12, 1952.

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"We intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed."

I've read enough on here to get some sense of WNs and their beliefs. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture." I mean, one can preserve their culture just by teaching it to their kids and, honestly, I don't understand what the harm is to having immigrants in our country. Do you guys have any idea what would happen to America if we exported all non-whites?

Well firstly, white birthrates are below replacement levels. Secondly; Mexican, Black, Muslim, etc. birthrates are well above replacement levels. If you want to know what it would be like if all non-whites left, just look at Detroit 50 years ago compared to now, or California.

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Furthermore, my real point is this: What is so awful about America today? We are currently the strongest nation in the world.

No we aren't, we've got a massive national debt and infrastructure that's falling apart.

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As many of you have stated, you're normal people WITH jobs. What's so bad? Are you really that unhappy with your lives that you think there should be some sort of revolution to put the power into your hands? I just don't get it.

We should be able to live among our own if we want to but no, every time whites go anywhere non-whites always follow us. Soon we won't have anywhere to go, just look at Los Angeles, that's the future...

Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture.".

Because thats what every group of people have done since there ever were humans on Earth. It's the way of nature to defend yourself, family and tribe/clan, if you fail to do that you will be eventually wiped out. Its only in the past 40 years or so that white people have lost this instinct to survive, or I would say more correctly that it's been brainwashed out of us by people that don't want us to survive.

I've read enough on here to get some sense of WNs and their beliefs. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture." I mean, one can preserve their culture just by teaching it to their kids and, honestly, I don't understand what the harm is to having immigrants in our country. Do you guys have any idea what would happen to America if we exported all non-whites?

Furthermore, my real point is this: What is so awful about America today? We are currently the strongest nation in the world. As many of you have stated, you're normal people WITH jobs. What's so bad? Are you really that unhappy with your lives that you think there should be some sort of revolution to put the power into your hands? I just don't get it.

I've read enough on here to get some sense of WNs and their beliefs. I just don't understand what the big deal is.Ensuring the survival of the White race. That's what the "big deal" is.

Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture."So those shouldn't be protected then?

I mean, one can preserve their culture just by teaching it to their kids Even when the rest of society doesn't teach the same things and says teaching them such things is "wrong" and "racist"?

and, honestly, I don't understand what the harm is to having immigrants in our country. We shouldn't protect our nation from illegal immigrants?We shouldn't protect our nation from immigrants who don't want to assimilate?We shouldn't protect our nation from immigrants who want to turn our country and culture into theirs?

Do you guys have any idea what would happen to America if we exported all non-whites?Off the top of my head...less crime and a White country.What do you think would happen?

Furthermore, my real point is this: What is so awful about America today? Open your eyes. You don't see that there is something seriously wrong out there?

We are currently the strongest nation in the world. Says who? Is what made this country the strongest in the past still applicable today?

As many of you have stated, you're normal people WITH jobs. What's so bad?So the only thing that matters is if someone is employed?

Are you really that unhappy with your lives that you think there should be some sort of revolution to put the power into your hands? Do you believe the same thing about everyone? Don't you think the Democrats, Republicans, Communists, Anarchists, etc. wouldn't love to have the "power" solely in their hands?

I just don't get it.Stick around. You might learn something.(If you have an open mind.)

[Quote] Originally Posted by gideon89
I've read enough on here to get some sense of WNs and their beliefs. I just don't understand what the big deal is.
Ensuring the survival of the White race. That's what the "big deal" is.

Why is there any need to prepare to "protect the nation from invaders and defend our culture."
So those shouldn't be protected then? [Quote]
--That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I haven't seen any evidence that outsiders are a definitive threat to our nation or culture. Like I've said in other threads, I think parents should take more personal responsibility in informing their kids of their culture. I know from personal experience that being exposed to other cultures doesn't necessarily destroy one's own culture (I'm Irish and maintain many/most of my traditional heritage).

[Quote] I mean, one can preserve their culture just by teaching it to their kids
Even when the rest of society doesn't teach the same things and says teaching them such things is "wrong" and "racist"? [Quote]
---Racial prejudice is less of a part of anyone's culture and more a part of their belief system. The two are very different. A culture consists of things like family traditions, while the belief system can range from whatever religion one is to their opinion of other races. I'm not saying that living in America won't hurt the belief that Whites should be separate from other races, I'm just saying I don't think it will extinguish European culture.

[Quote] and, honestly, I don't understand what the harm is to having immigrants in our country.
We shouldn't protect our nation from illegal immigrants?
We shouldn't protect our nation from immigrants who don't want to assimilate?
We shouldn't protect our nation from immigrants who want to turn our country and culture into theirs? [Quote]
---I never said we should let ILLEGAL immigrants in our country. I don't think that we should. I do, however, think that immigrants who take the time to come to America legally deserve to be here just as much as you or me. I know this is a tired argument....but all people living in America today did, at some point immigrate here.

[Quote] Do you guys have any idea what would happen to America if we exported all non-whites?
Off the top of my head...less crime and a White country.
What do you think would happen? [Quote]
---While it is true that crime rates for some other races are statistically higher, there is no evidence to support that this is due to race. In my current opinion, it is more a distribution of wealth issue. The people who happen to be poor are the minorities and, thus, live in worse conditions, and eventually turn to crime.

If they left, I think that America would be severely underpopulated and would not be able to compete. Similarly, our economy would tank. You may think it's bad now, but now would be nothing to this scenario. If you take a look at underpopulated countries, like Russia and Japan, you will see similar negative trends (and that's just from a steady slight decrease).

[Quote] Furthermore, my real point is this: What is so awful about America today?
Open your eyes. You don't see that there is something seriously wrong out there? [Quote]
---I mean, I do think there is something seriously wrong with everything...but I'm more disillusioned with all of humanity (not any particular race). Namely, things like the distribution of wealth, moral capacity, and flawed systems we have in place. (Examples of the latter two are the public stabbings of women where no bystanders helped and the "don't tase me, bro" episode)

[Quote] We are currently the strongest nation in the world.
Says who? Is what made this country the strongest in the past still applicable today? [Quote]
---I could get a bunch of statistics and stuff to back this up (to some extent), but, even if we're not the strongest, we are definitely one of the most influential on a world scale (look at UN issues). And I do believe that most of the rest of the world looks as us as a strong nation. That's not to say that India and China won't surpass us soon--just that we are and will remain a powerful nation for the near foreseeable future.

[Quote] As many of you have stated, you're normal people WITH jobs. What's so bad?
So the only thing that matters is if someone is employed? [Quote]
---That's not what I"m saying. I was just trying to point out that people on this website didn't seem too bad off. It seems that everyone is either middle or upper-class, and, IMO, that is more than acceptable (I've been middle to lower middle-class all my life. While I'm not perfectly happy, I don't think things need to change on the same scale as WNs suggest).

[Quote] Are you really that unhappy with your lives that you think there should be some sort of revolution to put the power into your hands?
Do you believe the same thing about everyone? Don't you think the Democrats, Republicans, Communists, Anarchists, etc. wouldn't love to have the "power" solely in their hands? [Quote]
---Of course, but I don't think that putting it into any of their hands is viable. If WNs were in control of the nation, not all people would be represented/happy (White or otherwise), just as not all people would be happy under the complete control of all these other groups. I think the people on this website should stop trying to come up with such extreme solutions and think of more legal and rational answers. It's not realistic to think that WNs, communists, or any other minority organization (I mean that they're currently not part of the majority in terms of who's controlling the nation) will come to power without some extreme methods/repercussions. It seems more reasonable for you guys to lobby for smaller victories rather than complete segregation (because I doubt it would happen). Similarly, saying things like you guys should bide your time, taking as many positions of power as you can in the meantime, seems a little scary. I just don't think you'll win any people over that way (other than people already part of your cause).

[Quote] I just don't get it.
Stick around. You might learn something.
(If you have an open mind.) [Quote]
---We'll see. I'll at least follow this discussion and a few more to see how you and others respond.