I really like my 686 Smarty Cargo pants. One thing that was really nice was that they come in XS. As a smaller male, it was virtually impossible to find pants that fit reasonably well without the over the top baggy look.

The 686 are tough pants, and I love having all the pockets too. The zip in fleece liner is very warm and the lower part of the liner has snaps to turn it into a 3/4 length so they don't have to go into the top of the boot.

There are zippers on the inside of the leg for venting.

The downside are the weight. With the inner fleece liner they are do feel heavy.

I had tried some very nice bibs in the past, however I realized that with snowboarding, we are often sitting in the snow, bending over to get to the bindings. With base layers, insulation layer, outer shell, and a bib it was like lifting weights to bend over. Keep that in mind when looking at ski bibs

I really like my 686 Smarty Cargo pants. One thing that was really nice was that they come in XS. As a smaller male, it was virtually impossible to find pants that fit reasonably well without the over the top baggy look.

The 686 are tough pants, and I love having all the pockets too. The zip in fleece liner is very warm and the lower part of the liner has snaps to turn it into a 3/4 length so they don't have to go into the top of the boot.

There are zippers on the inside of the leg for venting.

The downside are the weight. With the inner fleece liner they are do feel heavy.

I had tried some very nice bibs in the past, however I realized that with snowboarding, we are often sitting in the snow, bending over to get to the bindings. With base layers, insulation layer, outer shell, and a bib it was like lifting weights to bend over. Keep that in mind when looking at ski bibs

Thanks. Yeah, no bibs for me.

What to you all do to prevent leg cuff damage? Or is this a moot point? Every pair of pants I've bought somehow get dragged around when walking to and from cars or tromping around the lodge = torn and frayed, broken cuff zips, etc.The only option I can think of is to constantly flip up the cuff when walking around, which looks stupid. Or, buying a tight pair of pants, which I do not want to do.

A distant friend once told me he brought his pants to a tailor and had a tough Carhartt-like material sown into the cuffs. Anyone ever do this?

I can't say I've ever had cuff damage on any pair of pants I own, but at 6'7" I'm yet to find a pair of pants that drags on the ground when I walk. So unfortunately I can't comment on cuff damage because the cuffs on my 686 Smarty OGs have never touched the ground.

I can't say I've ever had cuff damage on any pair of pants I own, but at 6'7" I'm yet to find a pair of pants that drags on the ground when I walk. So unfortunately I can't comment on cuff damage because the cuffs on my 686 Smarty OGs have never touched the ground.

Mine do but I ping them up on my boots when I walk around, but I have had tree limbs, and sharp ice chunks scratch across mine and they've held up, better than that weird polyester thing Burton has

I got a pair of Foursquare pants in 2010 and still use them today, they are warm and durable. They also have a crapload of pockets and zipper vents for warm days. I'd recommend them any day, but it looks like this might be the last year they're around since Burton is shutting them down.