The Andreaj Premium is out of the budget range because I would still be using my spice grinder to make espresso which won't work at all, however Clive Coffee has a combo for 1999 - which would get me the Quick Mill Anita Espresso Machine and the Vario Grinder

I watched a video on Seattle Coffee Gear and decided the Vario grinder was sufficent and the W was money that I can be putting toward the machine

Now I know Thursday's are the day for refurbs at Baratza so I was wondering how much the refurb was wondering what they normally go for so maybe I can save another little bit toward the machine there

What is the main difference between the QM Anita vs Andreja Premium - the Premium looks a lot nicer, however I cannot really tell the main differences there

One review I read on the Anita was similar except for no direct plumb and the wands but another said theirs came with a no burn wand, so not sure there and if the review was accurate because of the conflicting info, how much is a no burn wand if i wanted to purchase one? - Seattle Coffee said $50 bucks is that about right? Is that something Clive Coffee would carry, they offer a $75 gift certificate with that purchase

Also I see a lot of places online carrying the Rocket 58 (looks so awesome) and the v2 - both which are over the price range I can look at, however I do not see anyone carrying the Professionale model, that one looks nice on their website, is there a reason why no one is carrying that one? Is that one lower priced in the range I can spend, and how would that compare to the QM Anita?

What other options should I consider for a Vario Grinder + Machine in my budget

Going to be making espresso's and latte / mocha / capps - on the weekend several times a day, probably not a lot during the week

Thank you for posting some other ideas for me - which leads me to more questions and comments:

1) The oscar is too ugly dont want to use that thing2) La Nuova Era Cuadra Commercial Espresso Machine - V2 - is actually on sale for the same price as v1 and has a no burn wand - def a contender here! - I like the red sides for Manchester United, however the all stainless is probably the way to go3) Bezzera BZ07 - doesnt look bad either4) Fiorenzato Volante - takes a 20 amp circuit and it will be in the kitchen, but with the power this thing draws i am worried about blowing a fuse if anything else is on...probably not the best move for a kitchen with a Brevelle Smart Oven that takes a lot of amps as well - if there is a reason to consider this I am willing to listen5) Vibiemme Domobar Junior - really like the looks of this one and it has two gauges vs one, which I am not 100% sure what that means but I do know more is better :)

So what is different between the Anita and the other units? they state they are commercial machines so what exactly does that mean? I understand the vibratory motor is louder than the other type of motor, is that the only difference? Why do some have two gauges and some have one gauge?

Thank you for posting some other ideas for me - which leads me to more questions and comments:

1) The oscar is too ugly dont want to use that thing2) La Nuova Era Cuadra Commercial Espresso Machine - V2 - is actually on sale for the same price as v1 and has a no burn wand - def a contender here! - I like the red sides for Manchester United, however the all stainless is probably the way to go3) Bezzera BZ07 - doesnt look bad either4) Fiorenzato Volante - takes a 20 amp circuit and it will be in the kitchen, but with the power this thing draws i am worried about blowing a fuse if anything else is on...probably not the best move for a kitchen with a Brevelle Smart Oven that takes a lot of amps as well - if there is a reason to consider this I am willing to listen5) Vibiemme Domobar Junior - really like the looks of this one and it has two gauges vs one, which I am not 100% sure what that means but I do know more is better :)

So what is different between the Anita and the other units? they state they are commercial machines so what exactly does that mean? I understand the vibratory motor is louder than the other type of motor, is that the only difference? Why do some have two gauges and some have one gauge?

Don't buy into products simply because they look pretty, i.e. have more gauges, lights, fancy gadgetry, etc. The goal here is to make excellent espresso, that is the primary concern. What good are gauges if you can't interpret the information?

Have a look at the machine in my avatar. There are no gauges, no P.I.D's, no lights, no fuses, nothing. Is it capable of making excellent espresso? You bet your a** it is.

My point about the gauges was tongue in cheek, I know that more info is better and as I become more experienced I will use the additional info appropriately

I do want no burn arms, so if I cannot upgrade those an a machine that will rule it out

I truly do not know what the adv or disadvantages of these machines are vs the Anita, and this site doesn't offer the vario grinder but offers 100 off a diff grinder, so it would seem to indicate to change direction with my grinder ordering from these guys if that is the way I go

So if anyone can do a good pro con list that would be very much appreciated thank you

I feel the need to pipe in that it's okay for someone to consider personal aesthetics as just as important as the machine's ability to create great espresso. This is a huge investment, in a machine that will sit on your countertop for years to come.

Lots of machines in this range are capable of great espresso. If some of them are not to the personal tastes of the OP based solely on looks, he/she shouldn't be taken to task because of that. There are enough excellent machines out there to make everyone happy with their personal choice.

To OP: I, too, have researched the differences between the Anita and Andreja. They are both fantastic machines that can make really excellent espresso. The main differences are that Andreja's ability to be plumbed, and the no burn wands it has. I believe you can "upgrade" the Anita's wands to no burn, but that question could be answered definitively with a phone call to Chris's Coffee or Seattle Coffee Gear.

Honestly, I have narrowed my choices down to the Anita, Andreja, or one of the Rocket models that are comparable. All are excellent machines, all have the SS look I personally prefer, and are prosumer E61 HX machines. The differences seem pretty minimal, when you get right down to it, which almost makes the decision harder. :)

When someone comes over and they say holy cow what's that, they are excited to have a drink from it, you eat with your eyes first, you do latte art because it is visually appealing, appearances do make a diff to me, and has to pass the wife test :)

CharityV, did you see any info about the rocket professional model? What made you narrow down the choice to those vs the commercial options Coffeenoobie listed

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