-The above lines refer to TRUE Merchandise and Genuine Article, TRUE Capital. What are these things that Guru Sahibaan are pointing at.?

Das Shall be grateful as ever for an explanation.

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Respected aad ji,
I am not sure as to how to arrive at contemplation of these words unless one can enthread the ideas behind the lines.
As the words require clarification is 'true', it is talking about the True merchandis/genuine Article and true capital should be that we earn or possess. We do not make tru capital without Simran.Hence true capital would be the time that we are allowed to spend in simran/chanting/meditation etc..
Kindly correct me.

The translation of the first Vaak provided is "The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital."
It is the contemplation. The true Guru provides the genuine Thing (Vasatu). This is true Naam. May I ask who preached Sikhs that one can purchase the true Naam?
Also, true capital grows with the Naam Simran. Strange, some possess it, all ready to buy true Naam.

The translation of the next Vaak provided is "Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed."
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is the perfect Guru as preachers try to convince all Sikhs. I cannot imagine He is the perfect Guru who has placed the thick iron box (golak) to keep the sales safe from culprits. Some visitors may be feeling blessed offering a part of their mayic earnings though.

I feel the business oriented dealings in the world has inspired the translator.

The translation of the next Vaak provided is "Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed."

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is the perfect Guru as preachers try to convince all Sikhs. I cannot imagine He is the perfect Guru who has placed the thick iron box (golak) to keep the sales safe from culprits. Some visitors may be feeling blessed offering a part of their mayic earnings though.

I feel the business oriented dealings in the world has inspired the translator.

Balbir Singh

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Thanks Balbir ji for a wonderful explanation.

1.The line refers to purchase.It means an exchange of one thing for the Naam.[true merchandise] If Gurmukh gets naam he must have some true capital. This true capital is the simran.

2. The second lines states that the process of purchas eis thru. the Guru.{perfect Guru]

You have put in some questions in the post. Yes, It SGGS ji that tells us that we should have naam else we waste the life.

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One way of looking at the above could be that we have given precious breath or Pranas in this life ,it can be also our true capital. It is with this capital of limited Time [ Limited Breaths] that one carryout Simran and earn the true thing Naam thru. perfect Guru.
Balbir ji, Incidentally SGGS ji or God HImself is our Guru. It is thru. SGGS that we attain the Naam of lord and then contemplate on this.

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Quote "1.The line refers to purchase.It means an exchange of one thing for the Naam.[true merchandise] If Gurmukh gets naam he must have some true capital. This true capital is the simran."
I do not find any word in the great Vaak from Gurdev that one can translate purchase.
Also, one receives Naam first. Simran begins. The true capital starts growing.

Quote "2. The second lines states that the process of purchas eis thru. the Guru.{perfect Guru]"
Please explain. Which words are translated 'the process of purchase'?

Quote "You have put in some questions in the post. Yes, It SGGS ji that tells us that we should have naam else we waste the life."
This is right. Does Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee also tells us to purchase the Naam else we waste the life?

Quote "However, the basic question that arises is if already one is engaged in simran of 'waheguru' [the naam] what will one get."
This is interesting. Not only Sikhs many others know also now that 'Waheguru' is the Naam. Thanks to the advertising techniques of the Sikh preachers. Still, the number of forums is increasing to discuss what is Naam.

Quote "In such an eventuality the meaning of the above two lines will need a change as one has already a 'naam'."
The essence of each Vaak from the true Gurus remains the same. The translators go on changing the meanings according to their developed consciousness.

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Quote "One way of looking at the above could be that we have given precious breath or Pranas in this life ,it can be also our true capital."
This is an illusion. No ego has ever given precious breath or Pranas. Ego is not the owner of this domain either.

Quote "It is with this capital of limited Time [ Limited Breaths] that one carryout Simran and earn the true thing Naam thru. perfect Guru."
I hope some have understood it and nothing is missing now.

Quote "Incidentally SGGS ji or God HImself is our Guru."
God is ONE. Please experience ONE in anyONE. The word 'or' vanishes then.

Quote "It is thru. SGGS that we attain the Naam of lord and then contemplate on this."
Did Gurdev ever confirm that SGGS is the giver of the Naam of Lord?

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Dear Balbir ji,
Your first post was nice.
The second is confusing the issue as my comments and your comments have got mixed up. Yes, it is in SGGS ji that we get the knowledge that one's life is wasted without Naam.
Further wahguru is naam , it is the way I have conceptualised.
Please give your answer independently not in the form of line by line analysis.

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Quote "Yes, it is in SGGS ji that we get the knowledge that one's life is wasted without Naam."
This is truth, but why some translators are saying that one can purchase true Naam?

Quote "Further wahguru is naam , it is the way I have conceptualised."
Gurdev never said that 'Waheguru' was Naam. Please provide one reference if someone has found it different.

Quote "Please give your answer independently not in the form of line by line analysis."
The true Guru provides One Naam. Everything else becomes clear.
Strange, many go on reading line after line and ask what is Naam.

This is another translation of the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev available on Internet.

I want to ask what kind of bargaining is in progress between the buyer and the seller that a transaction still has not taken place.

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Quote from Surinder Jee "HOW COME 'GURDEV' IS DIFFERENT THAN DHAN DHAN SGGS JI, AND NEED A CONFIRMATION TO BE __________??????????"
The true Gurus wrote Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee so that everybody can confirm the same truth experiencing true Naam Simran and progressing with it at consciousness.
This is but not possible when someone is engaged in activities that Gurdev never wrote and suggested.
Did the true Gurus ever write that their writings are Satgur?

Strange, many possess the Guru's Writings and feel that they are owning Satgur, engaging them in koti karam around it.

The True Guru and His Words are Truth and the Same.

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Quote from Sikh80 Jee "SGGS ji is 'sabad guru' and contains bani that is treated as Nirankaar[ bani Nirankaar Hey] Hence 'Sabad guru' is also Nirankaar."
Have I understood it correctly? SGGS Jee is 'Sabad Guru'. 'Sabad Guru' is nirankaar. So SGGS Jee is Nirankaar.
Nirankaar means without any form or shape (akaar). SGGS Jee but has a form and shape too.

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Quote "Yes, it is in SGGS ji that we get the knowledge that one's life is wasted without Naam."
This is truth, but why some translators are saying that one can purchase true Naam?

Quote "Further wahguru is naam , it is the way I have conceptualised."
Gurdev never said that 'Waheguru' was Naam. Please provide one reference if someone has found it different.

Quote "Please give your answer independently not in the form of line by line analysis."
The true Guru provides One Naam. Everything else becomes clear.
Strange, many go on reading line after line and ask what is Naam.

This is another translation of the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev available on Internet.

I want to ask what kind of bargaining is in progress between the buyer and the seller that a transaction still has not taken place.

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Quote from Surinder Jee "HOW COME 'GURDEV' IS DIFFERENT THAN DHAN DHAN SGGS JI, AND NEED A CONFIRMATION TO BE __________??????????"
The true Gurus wrote Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee so that everybody can confirm the same truth experiencing true Naam Simran and progressing with it at consciousness.
This is but not possible when someone is engaged in activities that Gurdev never wrote and suggested.
Did the true Gurus ever write that their writings are Satgur?

Strange, many possess the Guru's Writings and feel that they are owning Satgur, engaging them in koti karam around it.

The True Guru and His Words are Truth and the Same.

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Quote from Sikh80 Jee "SGGS ji is 'sabad guru' and contains bani that is treated as Nirankaar[ bani Nirankaar Hey] Hence 'Sabad guru' is also Nirankaar."
Have I understood it correctly? SGGS Jee is 'Sabad Guru'. 'Sabad Guru' is nirankaar. So SGGS Jee is Nirankaar.Nirankaar means without any form or shape (akaar). SGGS Jee but has a form and shape too.

Balbir Singh

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I have not gone thru. your line by line analysis that does not make sense to me. But 'Nirankaar' is not 'Niraakar' with which you seem to be confused.These are two separate words. It Is 'Niraakar' that means without form.

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The Formless One, God​

Pl. correct the translation given by you. Your post is not very relevant. I am happy without any further clarification as I have ,in the meantime , referred to the meaning in Sahib singh ji. I also observe that the tone of your post does not speak well of Guru sahibs. May be I am wrong.

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