The author of this article is arguing that society is misleading students by saying that going through and graduating college is the best, sure-fire way to become successful in life. Thus, students will "shoot higher than they should" by going to college and may find themselves wanting to drop out and because of media, they will mostly likely not even recognize the skilled-labor jobs available to them that could earn them enough. This is supported in page 11 paragraphs 4-6, "Let's approach...There must be a better way." This proves that the author believes that society is creating a distorted path and leading most of its students down that path. This is further supported in the comparison of the example student who wants to be an electrician or a manager, by showing how college education and a B.A. cannot always lead to a life earning more than the labor-job. I agree with the author's stance. There are too many people going to college aiming for non-labor jobs, because the labor jobs were seen as disgusting, unsatisfactory, or a resort to those who failed college. While we are losing those who want to take on those labor jobs and industries shrinking, who are we going to turn to, to solve the problems that can be solved by those workers i.e., plumbers, butchers, electricians, and/or welders.

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Cynthia Fowler

8/8/2017 02:54:52 pm

The author is arguing that vocational occupations are under appreciated, and also that college is overrated. The author covers this by first establishing a claim, then multiple counter-claims, which are then debunked in a sequential order. The author tends to use the rule of threes, establishing 3 claims why, and debunking 3 counter- claims. The author also divides up their argument by separating each of their claims into sections with a different prompt question for each, leaving for a well-organized, well-supported argument. I tend to agree with the author, despite the misleading title. I think that college is solely designed for one type of student, and that it should not be the only option for the many types of diverse students that are out there. I also agree that a B.A. should not be considered the minimum requisite for a job, as the cost of college may outweigh the benefits of a degree, and a B.A. also does not guarantee academic mastery to employers, despite the common misconception.

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Clio Thayer

8/9/2017 11:19:15 pm

The author chooses to directly answer the question "are too many people going to college?" Although they say "yes and no," they really mean no, but college education could be spread down into lower grade levels to stop this. However, later in this very same article, the author seems to flip-flop on the benefits of college. They argue that we aren't teaching enough of the basics but also that colleges as they are aren't extremely worth it. The author states that every citizen needs a core cultural knowledge to gain cultural literacy in the world at that time. The most important statement of the author's support of their main idea is "Saying 'too many people are going to college' is not the same as saying that the average student does not need to know about history, science, and great works of art, music, and literature. They do need to know—and to know more than they are currently learning. So let’s teach it to them, but let’s not wait for college to do it. " The author also argues that those in the top percentiles, who are good in academia, should be pushed into college because it's likely they will enjoy it. They shift and say that the level of curriculum students are saddled with is wildly disproportionate, the benefits are low, the commonality is leading to a hard future, and the very traditions of college are out of date. I'm not positive I can take a position when the author cannot seem to pick a side either. The very fact is that college is such a personal decision, with so many factors (like career, finances, location, previous education, family, and intelligence) that change from person to person. The idea that one person can make a sweeping declaration about whether college is a positive or negative is naive. College is a completely different experience depending on the person. That's why some students drop out of college, some continue for years, some never go, and some just get a 2-year degree, yet all these different paths can lead to success and, more importantly, satisfaction and happiness.

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Emma Colton-Heins

8/10/2017 01:49:28 pm

The arguement of "Are too many people going to college?" is that college is an institution of liral freedom of learning and comprehending the world, instead of the sociological requirement it's viewed as. He recognizes the function college serves in society and what college and what BAs symbolize, but believes society needs to view college and BAs in a different way.First the author explains that the purpose of college eing a place to gain cultural context and increase your knowlege should be instituted when children are younger, and in grade school is when children and teenagers should experience a freedom and love for learning. Next, he talks about a person's capacity for learning, and that someone without interest or skill in an area shouldn't be forced to explore those areas, since at that point students have the choice to transfer their efforts to somewhere they can excel. He then talks about the need to go to college for economic advancements and the sociatal requirement and expectation of college education. Someone will go to college for percieved economic gains that unfortunately do exist, even when the education they're getting has no direct advantage in the job market, only a symbolic one. He goes into the advances of technology giving people more oppertunities for education, for learning things that will truely prepare them for a job that will make them a living. He describes the intrinsic advnatages of choosing certain jobs for a particular person and describes the need by employers for BAs which causes more to get a BA, expanding the problem. He explains all of this with a logical progression of thought and accounting for multiple variables, making his arguement clear and understandale. Finally he outright stares, simplisically, the flawed system using harsh phrasing that states the truth of the matter, or what her percieves to be the truth, outlining it in such an impossible sounding way it sounds almost dystopian. The entire arguemnet is structured in a logical progression of thought, using less statistics than he does expamples couples with explanations, describing the phenomena taking place in our society. He occasionaly offers solution and alternative ways in which to structure society that will make college less essential. Personally I agree with mos tof his points. I view college as a way to increase my knowlege and explore my intersets, something I'd like to be able to do more of in grade school, but also as a n oppertunity to find a job. The necessity of a BA when it's unrelated to the field someone is entering is unnneccesary in our society, instead we need a logical system that fills all the roles and functions we need, instead of forcing people to struggle to meet the unrealistic expectations we need to meet to b considered acceptable. College and learning should be in place, but doesn't need to be the neccesary institution we view it as today.

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Gianne Nocus

8/14/2017 04:59:49 pm

In the article “Are too many people going to college?” the author Charles Murray argues that college is not the one and only way for an individual to succeed in life, yet society pressures many into attending even when they don’t necessarily have to. Murray argues against the system that almost forces students to attend college without giving them options, “…automatically encouraging young people to go to college straight out of high school…being thoughtless about the interests of young people.” He claims that college isn’t mandatory for students that already learned the fundamentals before college. Murray states, “More people should be getting the basics of a liberal education. But for most students, the places to provide those basics are elementary and middle school.” He believes that students don’t need to be attending classes and taking courses that overly consume their time, which could be better spent if they were putting their knowledge to practice. According to the research he’s presented, Murray also feels that the four-year residential program that is situated in the system which is supposed to lead to a B.A., isn’t a model suitable for a majority of students. However, he suggests that “Students at the 80th percentile of academic ability are still smart kids, but the odds that they will respond to a course that assigns Mill or Milton are considerably lower than the odds that a student in the top few percentiles will respond.” Murray disregards the fact that the level of a student’s academic ability doesn’t determine their intelligence. Their grades may not reflect it but it shouldn’t label them as incapable, unintelligent, or ignorant. Throughout the passage Murray provides research that make his stance clear and strong, nonetheless he still includes points that make the article ambiguous and hard to follow. The lack of solid facts and support weaken his argument therefore giving readers difficulty to take on an apparent position as well. Despite this, I’ve come to decide that there aren’t too many people attending college. While college is not the path for everyone, it is there for everyone to take advantage of. It may not be the first choice for those who don’t see themselves fit for it but getting an education for yourself is something that people should look down upon. Attending college for however long you choose to, is an investment that will allow one to discover themselves and a variety of things about the world. While society drives people to believe that there is only one path to success, those who attend college gain knowledge and skills that give them the opportunity to see that there are several ways to becoming prosperous and successful in life. The journey through life is made easier if you are more open-minded, self aware and responsible of yourself. And college is the perfect place in which an individual can thoroughly learn this.

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Leanna Gardner

8/17/2017 03:03:39 pm

In the article, "Are too Many People Going to College?", the author argues that college is a place to receive better knowledge and education but is overrated. The author believes that there aren't too many people going to college, the author actually believes that more people should attend college. Throughout the article, the author supports the argument that college is overrated by stating that most people go to college to receive a B.A. to help better their future with jobs, but people don't realize that there is a little chance in receiving it. The B.A. is very hard to receive and very little amount of people who go to college actually receive it. The author also helps show that college is overrated by saying that it's too easy to learn and get an education through technology like through websites or video chats and that it's easier learning and easier to access than actually going to college. My stance on this is that, no, not too many people are going to college, and yes, technology makes it easier to learn but actually going to college can be better because going to college can lead you to the path on what you want to do as a job or career in the future, even if that means not earning a B.A. Going to college can be a fun experience so I believe that more people should go and attend college.

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Matthew Milligan

8/20/2017 10:14:59 am

Author Charles Murray in his article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" that we should encourage more kids to go to college, but it is not the only way to go about life. Kids at a younger age are more adept at memorization than adults which is why we should promote college as much as possible. He proves this throughout the entire article. I strongly agree with his claim. For example, he wrote "Student at the 80th percentile are still smart kids, they just might not be able to comprehend everything that kids in the top percentile can." Which show that we should not discourage kids from going to college because they are not as smart as some. In addition he also writes that, "Finding a first-rate skilled laborer is hard." This demonstrates that if you have abilities outside of a book you will always have a job. Clearly, college is a good way to expand your knowledge, but college is not for everybody.

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Tiyana Kennedy

8/20/2017 04:11:03 pm

The author in this article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" argues that college should be essential.That college provides a better education but can be overrated.The article provides some examples,one is "suppose we have before us a young woman who is in the 98th percentile of academic ability and wants to be a lawyer and eventually run for political office.To me,it seems essential that she spend her undergraduate years....".In those lines what i believe the author is conveying,is that college can provide certain opportunities in the near future but is overrated or over valued .In this article,my stance on this topic is i agree with the author. College provides eye opening experiences or opportunities,but is overly valued.People value the college someone went to more than them...

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Christopher Cedeno

8/20/2017 10:20:55 pm

Charles Murray is the author of the article "Are Too Many People Going To College." Charles's argument is that, well, too many people are going to college. What that means is that there are people who go to college who have no reason to but pressure from society or their high aspirations. Some of these people will dropout from college and some might not get the job that they want. An example to support this would be in page 7 paragraphs 4-6. The author brings up an specific example of a young man who is wondering whether to become an electrician or a white-collar manager. The choice boils down to going to college or not going to college. The thing is that the person is mediocre in the skills needed for being a manager but excels in the skills needed to be an excellent electrician. Then in paragraph 6 it shows that he would make more money as an excellent electrician rather than a mediocre manager. This serves to show that not everyone needs to go to college to have a good life. Going to college is not always the only choice or the best choice. I agree with the stance of the author. College is not meant for everyone and is not the only path in life. People should branch out to other options if they don't want to go to college. People shouldn't scold them for not choosing to go to college and people shouldn't use B.A to sort who gets a chance to get a job or not.

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Pamela Pantin

8/21/2017 12:30:06 am

The article “Are Too Many People Going to College?” by Charles Murray argues the significance of college, in the perspective of high school graduates whose pursuit in life will not be needing higher education. Within the piece, he states that students do need to know history, sciences, and the arts, and believes that there should be more people going to college, however he acknowledges that everyone does not have access to a fully formed liberal education, nor does a person who has potential need to. In order to develop his argument, Murray considers statistics, provides an anecdote, as well as discredit the exaggerated need to achieve the Bachelor of Arts degree. First, the author states, “College Board researchers defined… the threshold “college readiness” score was found to be 1180… a score that only about 10 percent of American 18-year-olds would achieve… in an age when more than 30 percent of 18-year-olds go to college” (Page 3). This shows that limitations such as far-fetched grades can cause students to become dubious of the college path. Additionally, the percentage of those who are going to college will only decline from here if these pressures will remain stagnant. On the other hand, those who can meet those goals, will most likely not be interested in absorbing liberal education. For instance, Murray gives an anecdote of a woman who is in 98th percentile of academic ability and questions “Should all of those who have the academic ability to absorb a college-level liberal education get one?” (Page 4). In theory, those who are competent at a skill will enjoy studying the topic in detail. However, in reality, the woman, whether or not she is of the definite or potential bracket, will take vocational training in college; courses that will equip people of skills that can be used broadly in the job market. In addition, Charles Murray states that the American culture we are in produced the system where
having a Bachelor of Arts degree is necessary, almost mandatory, or else you are seen as unintelligent. This type of trend “brings us to the increasingly worrisome role of the B.A. as a source of class division” (Page 11). This shows that the over-exaggerated need to achieve a B.A. can misalign high school graduates and their actual pursuit, and will go on to college “without understanding the educational hurdles they must surmount to achieve their goals” (Page 10). In my opinion, I definitely agree to what Charles Murray is arguing for: more people should go to college, however, the vast array of students should not be pressured into obtaining a specific degree that can be unnecessary for those whose future careers will not be needing. The education system we are building upon, especially higher education, is far outdate considering the technological advancements that are possible today.

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Tyler Weaver

8/21/2017 12:46:50 pm

In the article Are to many people going to college. By Charles Murray. The authors argument is that more people should go to college not fewer. The paragraphs under intrinsic rewards. These paragraphs show that going to college is more than just getting more money. It's about getting a meaningful job. That you love to do. My position on this article is that every one should go to college because it helps you financially. But more importantly it help you get the job that you always wanted. And a job that means a lot to you.

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Bridget Whelan

8/21/2017 03:21:11 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going to College?", the author Charles Murray argues that attending college is not the only way for someone to live a successful life, yet society pressures a large number of people into receiving a higher education. Murray believes that the system is corrupt and that students are being forced to attend college without giving them options. He states, "… automatically encouraging young people to go to college straight out of high school...they're thoughtless about the interest of young people." Students attending class and taking courses that over consume their time would better spend their time putting their previously known knowledge to practice. College can provide certain opportunities in the future for someone but is mostly overrated and overvalued. Going to college is not always the only choice or the best choice therefore I agree with the stance Charles Murray takes. College is not meant for everyone and it's not the only path in life. I believe that not too many people are going to college and if someone chooses to receive a higher education or not, that it doesn't define how capable they are or how they will impact the world.

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Travon Fallen

8/21/2017 05:42:19 pm

The argument that the author is trying to make is that education is beneficial to the world, and that it is the basis for understanding the universe and those surrounding us. For example, in the text " are too many people going to college?" the author states, " This core knowledge is an important part of the glue that holds the culture together. All American children, of whatever ethnic heritage, and whether their families came here 300 years ago or three months ago, need to learn about the Pilgrims, Valley Forge, Duke Ellington, Apollo 11, Susan B. Anthony, George C. Marshall, and the Freedom Riders. All students need to learn the iconic stories. For a society of immigrants such as ours, the core knowledge is our shared identity that makes us Americans together rather than hyphenated Americans." (paragraph 5) This shows how education is important in order to learn in our society. I believe that education is indeed important and that education brings you up in the world, and that you should get as high as an education as you can. For example, "High school graduates earn 67 cents to every dollar a college graduate earns." This proves that education benefits us all around the world.

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Kathryn Connell

8/21/2017 06:00:21 pm

In "Are Too Many People Going To College?", Charles Murray argues that college is not necessary. he states that the liberal arts education it provides is just an unnecessary extension of prior knowledge and that most careers don't require you to know what you have been taught in the four years of university. I disagree, as I see worth in college, at least for myself personally.

In the article, the author argues that college is not as nessicary as many claim, and not as important for happiness as it is widely believed. He does this by presenting many hypothetical cases, which appeals to pathos. This is effective, because in terms of life events such as college, wmotion is more important than statistics. However, I see the value in a college education personally.

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Maria Natera

8/21/2017 07:29:36 pm

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going to College?", the author Charles Murray argues that although attending college is encouraged, it is not the only way to guarantee a successful life nor is it the only option after high school. Murray argues that the educational system we have in place today pressures young people to strive for college and college only, disregarding whether they are truly interested or prepared for higher education. He states, "One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their educational plans." (Page 10, paragraph 4) High school students are often told the only way to have a successful life is by going to college by their guidance counselors, making it seem like those who don't pursue higher education are living unsuccessful lives, which is not the case. Guidance counselors are instructed to steer as many students to attend college but this often leads students especially those who aren't academically adept or sure of what to they want to become to "aspire to be attorneys or physicians without understanding the educational hurdles they must surmount to achieve their goals." (Page 10, paragraph 4) If the student cannot surpass the educational hurdles college presents them, then the time and effort they have put into that course will seem useless, stigmatizing the failure to complete college even further. Students aren't informed that there are other paths beside college where they can put their knowledge and skills to better use, and live an equally or better life than someone who attended college and earned a degree they can't put into use. College is not for everyone nor is it the best choice. Furthermore, there are so much factors that contribute whether you attend college such as finances, family or intelligence therefore I agree with Charles Murray. I agree that although college should be encouraged, it does not mean it is the only choice. It is true that college provides opportunities but it is over valued. Whether you attend college or not, there are multiple paths in life that can lead to success and happiness.

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Alaina Guidetti

8/21/2017 07:36:43 pm

In the article, "Are too many people going to college?", the author argue that going to college to receive more education for thing jobs that might not necessarily require full diploma is still a good idea to go to college. I agree with all the authors points that were made through out the article. extended your knowledge to get better opportunities in whatever one is looking for is good. it leads to more pay as well.

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Camryn Estrada

8/21/2017 08:12:36 pm

The author of this article "Are Too Many People Going To College?" argues that American colleges are being flooded with teenagers who are either unprepared for higher education or who are simply forced into attending college and don't succeed because of the lack of natural abilities. Murray also makes many points with America's obsession with college education as a standard for the highly intellectual and the article does not take into consideration the different interests and reasons that can lead to student success, without being aware where the student is on Murray's ability ladder. (Paragraph 13). I feel that college is not for everybody. Society pushes students that do not have the intellectual ability to succeed and in most likely hood will drop out. We should provide more options, example vocational schools that will help them succeed. Not everyone that goes to college ends up successful.

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Max Heller

8/21/2017 08:37:23 pm

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going To College?", Charles Murray argues that the higher education system and environment surrounding it are broken. The main idea he develops is that college makes sense for those at the top of the academic ladder, but is pointless for lower academically-achieving students. He argues that, the lower a student's linguistic ability, the lower the chances that they will enjoy a liberal education's focus on dense literature and the higher the chances they will drop out or simply not enjoy it. Instead of going to college, he claims, more high school graduates should become artisans, electricians, and all other sorts of skilled workers that depend less on a liberal college education and more on practical experience. For some, the financial and intrinsic rewards of a high-tier practical job will vastly outweigh the potential gains from college and a B.A. Although he incorporates many statistics into his argument, the power of it is derived more from the hypothetical cases he creates. By making up situations that readers can easily relate to, Murray is better able to reveal the full range of effects that college has on specific types of people. In addition to his logic surrounding students of varying levels of achievement, Murray argues that the value placed on BA's is too high and that the social stigma associated with not getting a degree hurts those who would be better off spending their 4 years gaining experience elsewhere. Instead of viewing it as a certificate of cultural literacy or similar badge of honor, Murray sees the BA as a prize that all are forced to seek, even if doing so makes no sense for them. Although I disagree with certain aspects of Murray's argument, notably the component regarding the supposed obsolescence of college campuses, I appreciate his overall argument. I agree that many high school grads would be better off going straight into the workforce or apprenticeships rather than bashing their heads against Mill's "On Liberty", that the college degree shouldn't be used as a way to eliminate job applicants without one. College can be a valuable experience, full of academic, social, and cultural growth, but it definitely shouldn't be the way all 18-year-olds are pressured to spend their next four years regardless of their other talents.

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Alani Roc

8/21/2017 10:42:10 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College?", author Charles Murray argues that college may not be entirely necessary for certain students in their future careers. Murray believes that while some students are built for liberal education, other student's capabilities are better cultivated in other ways. (Page 5, paragraph 1) Rather than encouraging every single student to attend a four year college, and ultimately setting up some students for failure, Murray believes that each person's abilities and potential must be considered and used to put them at an advantage. Murray places the responsibilty of creating "misaligned ambitions" on politicians and guidance counselors, stating "Some politicians are among the more visible offendors, treating every failure to go to college as an injustice...American education administrators reinforce the message by instructing guidance counselors to steer as many students as possible toward a college-prep track".(Page 10, paragraph 4) Murray also argues that the modernization of education is deeming college learning to be unnecessary. He breaks down the three pillars of a college campus- a good library, student-student proximity, and direct teaching- and explains that all three are made obsolete due to advancements technology. (Page 6, paragraph 4) Murray then goes on to argue that students fail to recognize the probabilities of them getting succeeding in a certain job. As Murray had said ,"In today's America, finding a first-rate lawyer or physician is easy. Finding first-rate skilled labor is hard." (Page 9, paragraph 1) Though I disagree with the smaller parts to Murray's article (like how he believes children should be taught historical facts and figures early on), I completely agree with his main arguement. I do believe that college is not for everyone, regardless to their grades or intelligence. It's about time we stop equating high-school graduates/college dropouts to failure.

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Patrizzia Espina

8/21/2017 11:51:00 pm

In the article, “Are Too Many People Going to College?” author Charles Murray argues that even though college is a great place to enhance one’s education, it’s mainly a place people go after high school because society has pressured them into believing that it is what is best in providing a stable and economically successful life. For instance, it is stated in the article that “Guidance counselors and parents who automatically encourage young people to go to college straight out of high school regardless of their skills and interests are being thoughtless about the best interests of young people in their charge.” (Page 9) This reveals that most older people in society are immediately pressuring younger people to go to college without even giving them the ability to think for themselves and decide whether there is a better alternative for their future. In addition, to some people, college may not even be truly helpful and those who end up going may end up dropping out anyways or get a job that might not utilize their full potential. For example, Murray gives an example of a young man who is debating on whether to become an electrician or a white-collar manager. With these two occupations, the young man is faced to make a decision between going to college to become a manager, which may ultimately leave him as a lowly skilled manager, or not go to college and become an electrician, in which he has the abilities to excel at. (Pages 7-9) This shows that even though college may look like it provides the most appealing and high paying jobs, choosing not to go to a university will also allow an individual a chance at having the life they want. I agree with the author's argument and think that college is not for everyone and there is always another option if they choose not to go. I believe that everyone has the choice to live life however they want to live and college is not the only way to reach a happy and successful life.

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Kevina

8/22/2017 03:58:50 pm

In the text written by Charles Murray the author's argument on the topic is that he believe that although college is a great place to go, and it expands intelligence it may not be as all beneficial as people portray it to be. He believe colleges is expensive and is in a sense a competition . As the author said while in college people uses more of an intrinsic reward as a way getting through it according too the paragraph entitled "intrinsic reward". He believed that having an intrinsic mind set keeps people to believe that they are obligated to get a job straight out of college in their major.Whereas in reality it is not always like that.I agree with the authors stand point. Although college is out there for most people it is still more of a risky step because you can either succeed in it and get a job straight out of college, or you can just in a sense put all the time and effort to waste to en up doing something you didn't expect to be doing. Don't get me wrong, this shouldn't stop any one from going to college but there is a lot of competition in the many fields being offered.

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Cynthia Sengabo

8/24/2017 03:57:50 pm

The article, “Are too many people going to college,” portrays an argument justified how students are being pressured to attend college due to society belief that receiving higher education can lead to a successful life. For example, the article states that “One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their education plans (page 10, paragraph 4). This shows how students are often convinced to attend college in order to have a successful life whereas to those who doesn’t. I agree with the author that students are often pressured to attend college however, it’s not the only way to become successful.

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sarha smith

8/25/2017 12:39:00 pm

In the article Charles Murray Portrays college as a place of higer education and learning, but not always the best for all learners. in page 4 paragraph 4 of the article Murray states that forcing someone into the strict curriculum of college may lead them to transfer or stop schooling all together. I agree with this statement. A person can only learn if they are willing to try and higer education can be very expensive and there is no reason to sped the money if the education wont be taken seriosly.

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Grace Palmer

8/26/2017 09:23:09 am

In the article " Are too Many People Going to College?" The author writes about how in today's society many young high school graduates see college as the only way to go. While going to college is a great investment, for some people it is not the right way to go. Many people nowadays go to a university in order to land a job, which is not the main goal of colleges. The purpose of attending a college is to expand your knowledge, and learn more about liberal arts . Yes while a college degree may help with getting a job, that is not the main focus. In the text it says " The ultimate purpose of higher education is to give students a broad base of knowledge and skills rather than to train them for a specific job". This shows that college should be more about learning, and less about achieving a job occupation, but for most students that is not what they think of college. In my opinion I believe that yes a higher education is important, but that is only true if students of today are willing to focus less on job occupations and more on expanding their knowledge and skills. Overall I do think that a higher education is quite beneficial for young people, especially in today's society.

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Antalia McLean

8/27/2017 09:22:32 pm

In the article, " Are Too Many People Going To College? " Charles Murray argues that college should be important. He stresses the fact that too many people are going to college. Futhermore, too many people are going to college and don't have a plan or are just pressured from society. And because this is the case many tend to dropout and struggle to find a decent job. This is shown when he states, " ... some students are built for liberal education, while other students capabilities are better cultivated in other ways. My position on this topic is neutral because even if you are pressured by society you can still succeed in college.

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Blaze Lyons

8/28/2017 11:36:07 am

“Are Too Many People Going to College?”, Is the question in which the article is trying to answer, by showing both sides, saying that college is worth going to and can help many people. The article ultimately is about stating the fact that college isn’t for everyone, and is often times not needed for many people. College can help many people but, what is happening is that many people go to college to get a B.A and this doesn’t help them since they don’t further what skills they have instead they develop skills they aren’t that great in, so that they might be able to gain a job that can help them make more money. The author used the example that a person who is in the “95th percentile in small- motor skills and spatial abilities” has skills that would help them be a great electrician instead decides to get a B.A in business which wouldn’t help them since they don’t have the skills to be great at business. So they instead hinder themselves by going and competing in a field they wouldn’t do that great in instead of going into a field that would use what skills they have and further themselves with those skills. I believe that college doesn’t help out everyone and that too many people go to college for the wrong reasons. People choose to go for jobs that have a very high income instead of going for a career they would enjoy. If they enjoy a career they will do better at it instead of one where they are just chasing money, and by doing well in a job they enjoy they would have the potential to make the same amount of money overtime as the one that is known to pay a lot. Lawyers on average make $130,000 dollars as of 2011. So people go and become a lawyer which makes it so that there is too many lawyers and too much competition in that field to where they can’t make that much money, and only the best in that field would make that amount of money now. Where if they would instead to go for what they enjoy doing they could potentially make that much money and do as well as the amount a lawyer would make.

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Martinique Robinson

8/29/2017 09:20:29 pm

Charles Murray argues in the article, " Are Too Many People Going To College? " , that college education is very important and necessary but for those who have a plan and will take it seriously. College is not for everyone and more people should understand that. being that a lot of people go to college without a plan and or don't take it seriously leads to dropouts and a struggle to keep a good job. This is supported in the text when the author states, " "One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their educational plans." I agree with author. I personally believe that people should have plan before they enter college so there time wont be wasted and so they can have a career that suites them.

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(Monica) Gail Cabahug

8/30/2017 04:35:34 pm

In his article, “Are Too Many People Going to College,” Charles Murray argues that a liberal education must begin early on- as early as kindergarten. Murray claims that there needs to be an improvement on the way children are taught. However, he does acknowledge that a liberal education is not the right choice for everyone. He supports this claim by analyzing the choices of a hypothetical young woman. He compares her abilities and enjoyment in a liberal education to show it is valuable. However, he does go on to show how a person of different abilities and interests may not benefit from such a general education. Murray then goes on to say that for many, four years of college is not worth it. He explains that for many occupations, expertise is learned while on the job- not through classwork. Murray analyzes the financial burden of a hypothetical young man who went to college instead of becoming in electrician. Under his own personal circumstances, Murray explains that the young man would be better off as an electrician. Personally, I agree with Murray’s sentiments. The decision to attend college is a very personal choice and should be made after analyzing ones own goals and capabilities. As Murray proves in this article, while a liberal education is highly valuable, college is not for everyone.

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Michael O'Neil

8/30/2017 10:06:20 pm

The author of the article argues that college is not necessary in life. The author states that liberal education is not important for many career paths after college. The author says that liberal education just builds on prior education and doesn't necessarily add anything. I agree to an extent. College can be very beneficial socially and educationally but is not for everyone.

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Yverdon Okoren

8/31/2017 12:30:07 am

For Charles Murray, the question of "Are too many people going to college?" evolves the topic to a matter of the current standards for how one can secure their future. Murray doesn't feel there are too many people going to college nor does he want college to be the only appealing choice after high school. This can be seen with how he displays that the expectations going in and out of college are too idealistic. There is no guarantee which is shown quite clearly when he manifests uncertainty in a manifestation of an ideal person to go to college in the section of "College isn't all that it's cracked up to be." I would have to diverge from Murray's perspective. There are various factors which collide so much and provide different results, such as the quality of education each college provides (good/bad), and the characteristic of individual students (some have found their "calling" while others are still finding for some way to secure their future). Getting a B.A. is not a "common goal for every young person that represents educational success." That is more of a means to reach an end, the educational success comes in when an individual makes use of what they learn to reach a state in which they are content with, whether through a B.A., Ph.D., or G.E.D. The college system has been long established and continues to endure, it isn't flawless like most systems but it certainly has the capabilities to adapt to a changing society.

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Zakirah Fiddemon

8/31/2017 10:55:13 am

In the article, "Are too Many People Going to College?", the author argues that college is a great place to receive higher education but is now popularized and maybe even overrated. He states that he does NOT believe that to many people are attending college but thinks that it should not be peoples only option after high school. For example (page 10 paragraph 4), “One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their education plans " This proves that students are not exposed to other success pathways besides college. I agree with the author not enough students are exposed to other options besides college because college is not necessary for each and every career. I do believe that though college is one of the most pushed options I believe that it is not pushed in urban schools with minorities hence the reason why many minorities go to trade school and avoid colleges. So pushing the trade school or GED concept in schools with latinos and African American students is pushed way more than college and college is pushed in schools overloaded with white students and asian students. Whereas they should be represented equally in each type of school.

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Ko Koh

8/31/2017 05:30:30 pm

In the article " Are Too Many People Going To College?", author Charles Murray argues that there are many people attending college who don't need to and is overrated. For example, he stated " More people should be getting the basics of a liberal education. But for most students, the places to provide those basics are elementary and middle school ." and that considers the students should already know the knowledge and skills needed for a career they're interested in rather than in college. He reasons that children are better at memorizing than adults, therefore if the basics were taught at elementary, middle, and high school, many people wouldn't need to go to Colleges. However, there are people who don't need college to become successful. He uses the example of a young man whether to go to college or become an electrician, this way he is left with a decision that will determines his career in the future. Most of the people would work for highly income, that also considers to go to college, to gain highly liberal education but all of that comes down to your matter of choices, whether you choose to attend college or not. For my opposition, I agrees and understands with author Murray that colleges are not for everyone, however I do believe that liberal education gaining in college is very important and high valuable.

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Ericka Kenan

8/31/2017 05:55:50 pm

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going to College" the author argument is that college is not a necessary step and every one should not attend. Murray explains that k-8 is when a child should gain core knowledge but also high school should have more rigorous classes (page 3). Murray says that going to a four year school may not be necessary because the average student is taking 32 courses within those years and that is more than enough time classes to take in order to study in their field. I agree with Murray to a certain extinct because some students do not want to attend college , sometimes they are forced. However, I disagree with him because in college you can gain knowledge you did not have in elementary and high school. College can provide a better understanding in the field you want study. This will increase your chance of surviving on your own. I do not think there will ever be too many people in college because gaining a degree is beneficial to the person and society. Therefore, everyone should consider attending college.

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Vina Baz

8/31/2017 11:22:57 pm

In Charles Murray's article the argument of college being the only pathway to success is refuted. This is supported when Murray takes into account liberal education in which he states that complex material such as reading and analyzing complicated text can be considered enjoyable for the students who are interested in a specific course compatible with their chosen career in the future. Murray then points out that years of college education would be unnecessary when planning to become managers, designers, farmers, and coaches because it would take longer than a duration of four years. Also, the type of labor those types of jobs require lingers more on skill rather than academics. Murray mentions the complications of forcing a student not engaged in a topic and receiving little to no results. I disagree with Murray's position because the education received, regardless of whether or not it would be useful for future employment, it could be useful for everyday life. The academic skills students will learn can be honed over time which will add value to society. Delving into unfamiliar territory can prove to be beneficial with employers searching for some kind of degree on graduates.

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Nick Joslin

9/1/2017 01:22:38 pm

In the article, the author argues that although attending college can help you in life, it isn't the path that will lead you to success. The driving force that sends scholars to college is the job opportunities that will open up rather than the extensive knowledge and information that is being taught. In the text it says The ultimate purpose of higher education is to give students a broad base of knowledge and skills rather than to train them for a specific job". This shows that college is meant to be a platform for extended learning and not just credit that can be used for landing a job. Only when used correctly, college will prove to be as important as it is claimed by society and a majority of people. I feel that although this is all true, in our society a degree is valued way too greatly to give students a chance to take another path and still be successful. However the knowledge gained from college will always prove to be just as important or more than getting credit to apply for a job. There is more to life than only getting a job and not chasing more.

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Hannah Passaretti

9/1/2017 11:02:46 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College?", Murray is arguing that although college may lead to success, its not for everyone. On page 4, he explains that the higher percentile a person is on the "ability ladder", the more probable it is that they will like to do that ability; academic or not. The basis of his argument is that if they want to spend years in a college because they enjoy it, then they should. But if thats not what they desire than college shouldn't be seen as a make it or break it scenario for someones life. I agree with what Murray is saying because hes supporting the idea that people should do what they want contrary of whats seen as right or wrong. After high school it should not be looked down upon if someone wants to pursue other things besides college, instead whatever decision one makes as the next step in their life should be praised.

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Jack Rosenzweig

9/2/2017 02:24:42 pm

Author Charles Murray in his article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" that we should encourage more kids to go to college, but it is not the only way to go about life. Kids at a younger age are more adept at memorization than adults which is why we should promote college as much as possible. He proves this throughout the entire article. I strongly agree with his claim. For example, he wrote "Student at the 80th percentile are still smart kids, they just might not be able to comprehend everything that kids in the top percentile can." Which show that we should not discourage kids from going to college because they are not as smart as some. In addition he also writes that, "Finding a first-rate skilled laborer is hard." This demonstrates that if you have abilities outside of a book you will always have a job. Clearly, college is a good way to expand your knowledge, but college is not for everybody.

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Peyton Hunt

9/2/2017 04:08:44 pm

In this article, "Are too many people going to college?", author Charles Murray answers just this question with an argument that yes, too many people are going to college, and then backs up this position with an analysis of the American college system and its universal flaws. Murray states "The income for the top people in a wide variety of occupations that do not require a college degree is higher than the average income for many occupations that require a B.A." and offers an example of this occurance, with a hypothetical high school graduate deciding whether to pursue a management position with a college degree, or to become an electrician without one. He explains his position by describing the three reasons for "brick and mortar" colleges, and why these reasons are no longer enough to keep these establishments. I agree with the authors argument that not everybody should be attending college, and for many jobs, college is unnecessary. It is also true that the college system is flawed and often leads to more failure than success. However, I do not agree with his statements that there are no need for physical colleges. With my school experiences in mind, I don't think that I could have as good a college experience through technology as I would if attending a college.

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Jessica Johnson

9/2/2017 05:32:07 pm

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going to Colleges", the author Charles Murray is making the argument that attending college to gain a higher education is overrated and simply can not always lead an individual to success in life, due to its modern popularity in our society. Murray supports his argument by using several examples to refute the perception that college is the only way to have a economically stable and healthy lifestyle. An example of this is on page 10, "One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their education plans " ; the author depicts that college/university students often don't think about their majors or ambitions until they are on campus, and they are virtually pressured into thinking this is what they need to have success in life when in reality they have no idea what they want. Young adults want a college education because they've been taught that knowledge equals success, but leaves them wondering how retaining this knowledge is going to help them in the long run if they don't even know why they are learning it (didn't want the career that matches up with their degree after they graduate). This example clearly shows that college is overrated and isn't helping them, but only putting them into more debt for a topic they aren't even interested in, but were pressured to believe they need to have a safe and secure life when they get older. Another example is; "The ultimate purpose of higher education is to give students a broad base of knowledge and skills rather than to train them for a specific job." This example shows that the purpose of college isn't to push these students into one category and pressure them into picking what they want to do for the rest of their lives at a young age, but instead to provide them with higher knowledge of a variety of topics that they can use for several occupations. The problem is, that in our modern generation, there are too many students that go for the experience of college, and don't focus on these topics, causing each individual to be pushed into classes that focus on one set of skills specifically for one career. College has become so overrated, that many just go because they are pressured and it doesn't help them after they graduate achieve a job, if they don't enjoy or want to be in the career they were taught. By using these examples, the author shows that not everyone needs college, you can become successful or self made even without a bachelors degree. In my opinion, my position is that college does provide a higher education, but some of the requirements to take certain classes you don't need for your degree is a bit ridiculous. College has become overrated and modernized, but that's because of our current society and our inability to stick to one career or occupation. I know people who have changed their majors two or three times, just because universities make it so subsidized to make up your mind at such a young age. High schools now focuses on college readiness and make you pick a major as a junior or senior, and we're pressured into going to college because that's what we've been taught is the key to a successful life, as early as middle school. We don't all need college, but that's what we're taught to believe and that we need to be in a category, making the idea of college overrated. It's become too modernly popularized.

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Ryhan Din

9/2/2017 09:50:51 pm

The author says that alot of people are going to college but are not ready for it. Most lack the basic education to use in college so it is a waste of time well spent some where else. For example, in the text " are too many people going to college?" the author states, " This core knowledge is an important part of the glue that holds the culture together. All American children, of whatever ethnic heritage, and whether their families came here 300 years ago or three months ago, need to learn about the Pilgrims, Valley Forge, Duke Ellington, Apollo 11, Susan B. Anthony, George C. Marshall, and the Freedom Riders. All students need to learn the iconic stories. For a society of immigrants such as ours, the core knowledge is our shared identity that makes us Americans together rather than hyphenated Americans." (paragraph 5) It is true not enough people are going to college for the right reasons. Alot of students these days fail or don't get a job in their choosen field.

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Tajbe Starja

9/2/2017 11:08:13 pm

Charles Murray argues college isn't the only way to succeed in life yet individuals in society are pressured into going to college in the article "Are too many people going to college?". The author claims college is overrated and people shouldn't be pushed to go to college if they don't necessarily have to. He supports this idea by stating "A large proportion of people who are theoretically able to absorb a liberal education have no interest in doing so". He states "We should look at the kind of work that goes into acquiring a liberal education at the college level in the same way that we look at the grueling apprenticeship that goes into becoming a master chef". Most students choose not to take courses that go into a liberal education because the capabilities they want to learn lie elsewhere. It's a waste of time to learn skills you won't need and if you're not going to college to develop specific skills for what you want to do in your life there's no purpose to go to begin with. I agree with the authors viewpoints. Not all jobs require certain skills college students are taught. Not only will these skills be unnecessary, they aren't beneficial to the quality of work they will do in a specific occupation. Individuals should go to college to study specifically what they want, relating to the career they choose to pursue.

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Laura Marin

9/3/2017 11:19:49 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College" by Charles Murray, the central idea that is proposed is that because of the way American society is set up today, many young people are being pushed to go to college without first truly considering if there are better options for them. Murray argues that many high school graduates have the possibility and the abilities to attend a four year college and obtain a tittle by which they will be judged by employers for the rest of their lives. However, many of these students don't have enough motivation or academic knowledge to do their best at it. He constantly mentions that in modern times, people are going to college because it is frowned upon if they fail or refuse to do so. In my opinion, I agree with the fact that American society is failing to recognize the talents and abilities possessed by an individual that is not a college graduate, and that there should not be a stigma attached with not having a degree, but I feel like going to college offers people the opportunity to become more well-rounded individuals and it helps them perform better at jobs, so although no one should be pushed to pursue a degree against their will, they also should not be stopped from going just because some test scores allegedly indicate that they will not have the motivation or because they will me "mediocre" about it.

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Jahiaire Byrd

9/3/2017 11:51:30 pm

Charles Murray, from The American Magazine wrote an article named, "Are Too Many People Going to College" claiming that people are setting college as this place where you will succeed in life, that there is no other place to acquire this. He also stats that the college system is flaw by saying, "The income for the top people in a wide variety of occupations that do not require a college degree is higher than the average income for many occupations that require a B.A.", while giving an example of a time in which a situation like this can occur. I do agree with some statements Murray claim, for example how today' college system is flawed, but other claims in this article I'd have to disagree with. Saying that there shouldn't be college buildings at all is ridiculous, the experience you earn from going outside, entering buildings, and meeting up with classmates and teachers is completely different from you sitting in your pajamas on your computer in a online college course.

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Jorell

9/4/2017 08:26:29 am

The author Charles Murray claims that college is not always the answer to go about life. The main reason that scholar go to college is the job opportunities that are offered rather than the purpose of higher education. In the article, it states that forcing someone into the strict curriculum of college may lead them to transfer or stop schooling altogether. This is a very agreeable statement. A person will only learn if they have the will to. Other wise, college is very expensive and should only be taken if the courses will be taken seriously.

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Tamia Weston

9/4/2017 03:31:32 pm

The author of this article is arguing that society is guiding students the wrong way by saying that going through and graduating college is the best way to become successful in life. That way students will achieve higher goals than they can do by going to college. This may lead to individual dropping out and they may not realize that there are skilled-labor jobs they can get that will help them enough. This is said in page 11 paragraph 4 and 6 "Let's approach...There must be a better way." This shows that the author believes there are many different ways to achieve your goal in life for college or through a skilled labor job.

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Celena Gomez

9/4/2017 11:02:49 pm

In "Are Too Many People Going To College" by Charles Murry, his argument is that people should think if college will benefit them before going. "a young woman who is in the 98th percentile of academic ability... the only reason we can get away with pushing her is that the odds are high because she is good at this sort of thing" here he thinks college is beneficial for her because she enjoys it because she is good at it and it will help her in her career to become a lawyer. "He has the ability to become an excellent electrician... He does not have it in him to be an excellent manager" here he thinks he shouldn't go to college and become a manager because he has the skills to become an electrician which he will be happier in because he is good at it, which has on-the-job training not requiring college. I agree with the author that if college is not beneficial to certain people they shouldn't feel obligated to attend it.

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Maddy Arduino

9/4/2017 11:52:01 pm

The argument in this article is that even though college can give you many opportunities, it isn't for everyone and going to a college can pressured on students. Evidence on page seven, " But while it is true that the average person with a B.A. makes more than the average person without a B.A., getting a B.A. is still going to be the wrong economic decision for many high- school graduates." In my opinion is that going to college can be great and useful if you want to go on your own, but college isn't necessary for every high-school graduate and not worth the time and money.

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L S

9/5/2017 12:22:24 am

The author of this article is arguing that college is important and should be taken seriously. Society thinks college is overrated and there are other options in life to become more successful. Murray thinks that students should attend college after high school and not wait. This is supported by when Murray says the young woman should spend her undergraduate years in college. I Believe that college should be taken seriously and people should take advantage of it.

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adam zak

9/5/2017 01:26:11 am

The argument presented in the article, 'Are Too Many People Going to College' is that college is a whole different ballpark and may not be what it seems meaning that it may not be for everyone despite how forced it may seem to attend college. Murray goes on to define the difference between motivation and aspirations with academic ability. If one is content with higher education they have every right to continue and if one finds college not to their liking or expectations and decides that it isn't worth their while, they have every right to no longer attend college. I believe that people should realize that college may not be all woohoo fun and should really consider taking a gap year to mature and then decide what the next step is from then on there.

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mudhar

9/5/2017 08:57:50 am

Charles Murray is the author of the article "Are Too Many People Going To College." Charles's argument is that, well, too many people are going to college. There are people who go to college who have no reason to but pressure from society. Some of these people will dropout from college and might have a huge debt that they shouldn't have if they didn't attend in the first place. The fact that most people don't understand is that not everyone needs to go to college to have a good life. There are many jobs out as seen in the guy with choice of being a manager or electrician.

''Are Are Too Many People Going to College" by Charles Murray presents the argument that college is important but is not necessary for everyone. As a result of society pressuring individuals to get a B.A. in college Murray writes this article to enlighten us that college is not for everyone. For example, in the article Murray talks about how liberal arts in college education is not need for those who want to acquire trade jobs. Theses individuals if they want could go to vocational schools where they get the schooling they need to go further in their career as skilled workers. In addition , Murray talks about how getting a B.A. in theory is flawed. He states that jobs shouldn't require people to go to college for four years and tie economic success to having a B.A.. Murray calls for a change to this system that burdens college dropouts who are viewed as "lazy" and causes society to shun them for not completing school. I believe Murray's stand on this topic is correct. People shouldn't be shunned for not finishing college or getting a B.A.

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Armani Currie

9/5/2017 11:41:38 am

In authors Charles Murray article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" he states that more kids should be encouraged to go to college, however it is not the only way to go about fulfilling life. Children at very younger ages are more proficient at memorization than adults therefore we should encourge the idea of college as much as possible while they are young . The author supports this idea throughout the article. I agree with Charles Murray claim. For instance , he stated "Student at the 80th percentile are still smart kids, they just might not be able to comprehend everything that kids in the top percentile can." Which illustrates that children should not be discourgaed from going to college because they are not as smart as some. In addition he also states that, "Finding a first-rate skilled laborer is hard." This displays that if you have abilities outside of school you will always have a job.College is an excellent way to expand your future, however college may not be the path for everyone future.

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Etan Kaziyev

9/5/2017 11:54:45 am

In the article " Are too Many People Going to College?" Charles writes about how in today's society many young high school graduates see college as the only way to continue their education past high school. While going to college is a great investment, for some people it is not the right way to go. Many people nowadays go to a university in order to land a job, which is not the main goal of colleges. The purpose of attending a college is to expand your knowledge, and learn more about liberal arts . Yes while a college degree may help with getting a job, that is not the main focus. In the text it says " The ultimate purpose of higher education is to give students a broad base of knowledge and skills rather than to train them for a specific job". This shows that college should be more about learning, and less about achieving a job occupation, but for most students that is not what they think of college. In my opinion I believe that college's value is very dependent on the student. Paying massive amounts of money for an education not specifically personalized or guaranteed may be a waste. Overall I do think that a higher education is quite beneficial for young people, but if an individual's talents and interests do not cater to what college offers, it may not be the best choice.

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Logan Bennett

9/5/2017 11:58:41 am

In this article Charles Murray argues that a liberal education should be taught from as early as Kindergarten and should continue throughout high school, even though he recognizes that not every child will enjoy this style of teaching. He supports this argument by saying that it will teach kids how to be educated and well functioning people in society, a sort of societal literacy. He also claims that early on in a child's life is when they are best at learning this information and skills rather than in their late teens and twenties. I do agree with this take on modern education as I too feel that much of the education in grades K-8 is unproductive and slow moving.

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Robert Ackerman

9/5/2017 12:45:44 pm

In this article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" Charles Murray states that we should encourage more kids to go to college, but it is not the only way to go about life. Kids at a younger age are more adept at memorization than adults which is why we should promote college as much as possible. He proves this throughout the entire article. I strongly agree with his claim. For example, he wrote "Students at the 80th percentile are still smart kids, they just might not be able to comprehend everything that kids in the top percentile can." Which shows that we should not discourage kids from going to college because they are not as smart as some. In addition he also writes that, "Finding a first-rate skilled laborer is hard." This demonstrates that if you have abilities outside of a book you will always have a job. Clearly, college is a good way to expand your knowledge, but college is not for everybody.

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Franz-Robert Quaye

9/5/2017 12:51:29 pm

The argument made by Charles Murray in this article is that although college is great and a good path after high school, it isn't the only option. It also isn't always the best option for everyone to pursue them same style education throughout. Liberal education should be used through early development stages. He also states that college isn't all that it's cracked up to be. For example, "When high-school graduates think that obtaining a B.A. will help them get a higher- paying job, they are only narrowly correct. Economists have established beyond doubt that people with B.A.s earn more on average than people without them." I personally don't know if i agree or disagree with the points of this article.

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Brook Hoteling

9/5/2017 01:16:23 pm

The author of this article is trying to explain is that not going to college is okay, but everyone should at least have a basic education. In paragraph three they write "To live in the United States and not recognize Teddy Roosevelt, prohibition, the minutemen, Wall Street, smoke-filled rooms or Gettysburg is like trying to read without knowing some of the ten thousand most commonly used words in the language." This is the author showing that people need to know the basics or else they won't be able to understand anything going on. I agree with the author that everyone should have a basic education and understanding of things. If you don't have basic education you can't really get a good job because you won't be able to do some of the simplest things.

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Gerael Boulingui

9/5/2017 01:43:16 pm

Charles Murray, in an article called "Are too many people going to college", argues that a college education isn't necessarily for everybody. He states that many students view a BA as a ticket to a high paying job even those who aren't high achievers academically and that those people can end up spending a lot of their money to obtain the degree but they may not end up getting the job they covet because the competition for the jobs are much stronger candidates than they might be, and their expensive degree could feel like it was not worth all the money in the end. I agree with the author that a college education isn't for everybody, and that people should truly look at all of their options to maximize their potential.

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Zylia Montes

9/5/2017 04:25:21 pm

The author argues that college isnt a necessity as people advertise it as being . For example in the article he talks about people having basic knowledge of their history and things of that matter but feels as if someone shouldn't have to wait until college to learn these things especially if it could be taught in earlier school years. i feel as if there could never be too many people going to college the way it was taught at a young age is that everyone should go to college because it could help to give you your best chance.

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Joshua Bliss

9/5/2017 06:28:59 pm

5. The augment made is that to many people are going to college just to learn the basics. One point made is that we teach things too late. “They do need to know-and to know more than they are currently learning. So, let’s teach it to them, but let’s not wait for college to do it” makes this point come to light. I agree with this. We learn things in greater detail as we go through grade school, but not everything. Those final details are taught in college when we should learn them in high school.

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nina bonilla

9/5/2017 07:07:22 pm

In "Are Too Many People Going To College?" the argument that the author is trying to convey is that for most high school students, college is made to feel like the only way they can thrive in life and that they will not succeed if they do not have a college degree. although he does explain that college is good, the author makes sure to say that he feels as if it it being forced and college is not the only way to succeed in adult life. I agree with the notion that college is much more pushed on young adults however, I believe that it does help to succeed more in life as a whole.

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Isaiah Bonilla

9/5/2017 07:10:56 pm

In the text, the author makes the argument that it's important that young adults go to college, even though it's not the only option. He proves this in page 2. In the text, he states how more people should take the benefits of a liberal education. I agree with this claim. Many can not afford college and reap other benefits from physical jobs and other forms of work. I t is important that many achieve jobs pf their choosing and become hard working Americans.

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Thomas Ottaway

9/5/2017 07:15:24 pm

Charles Murray, the author of “Are Too Many People Going to College”, makes the argument that while colleges have their place in American society, that place has been grossly inflated. He attributes the growing importance of college, in part, to the increase in high-skill, high-paying jobs. However, Murray focuses his argument more heavily on the cultural shifts. The rise in American wealth over the past decades has allowed most people who were able to handle a college education to attend. (paragraph 2 p. 11) The prevailing opinion of Americans is that this is a good trend, but Murray argues the opposite. He claims that most people do not get very much out of college. While acknowledging that for a select few top student grinding through dense philosophy books may be a positive, enjoyable experience, for the vast majority of Americans it would be unpleasant and unproductive. (p. 11-12) This is an understandable point of view and I agree that many Americans would benefit more from work experience, internships, or apprenticeships.
While I do concede some merit to his argument, I strongly disagree with some of Murray’s points. In an effort to discredit the idea of a traditional college he brings up distance or online learning as an alternative. (paragraph 3 p. 6) Admittedly I have only my own experience to speak on but I have a lot of experience with a variety of online courses. I have taken 6th, 7th, and 8th grade math using a program called ALEKS as well as an introduction to python programming course from MIT and a machine learning course from Stanford. These courses did aid my education however they were not pleasant. Without other students to take the course with, online courses become very isolating and it becomes much more difficult to motivate yourself. There are online communities of students however they are very different from classroom settings where it is easy to set up meetings with teachers and peers and to discuss the material. Murray specifically attempts to diminish the necessity of these physical gatherings of scholars saying that online meeting and discussions are just as good. (paragraph 2 p.6) However, these meetings are far less likely to happen with long distance forms of communication. Being in college selectively introduces young brilliant minds to each other as well as giving them easy access to professors who are often inaccessible to the general public. This type of network is possible outside of college but is far more rare.
Murray’s points about how college isn’t the right choice for everyone are valid and deserve consideration. Making it easier for people to learn skills and get jobs without attending a four year institution would make America a better place as a whole. However, for people who belong at a college the value of higher education is massive.

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David Dimase

9/5/2017 08:43:31 pm

The author is arguing that a college education is not necessarily the best option after high schools. He emphasizes the fact that college is like an add on to grammar school, especially liberal arts colleges. He states this because the education is too generalized and does not put emphasis on specific education forms. I thoroughly disagree with Murray's assumption because college is meant to be the place that allows you to choose a specific major and focus on that. Also, the liberal arts education is meant to be a more in depth look at certain fields for those who are undecided.

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Aidan McKenna

9/5/2017 08:48:54 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going to College?" the author, Charles Murray makes argument that after high school, college isn't the only choice and that there's many different roads a freshly graduated student could take. He proves his argument by giving examples of many different opportunities and career paths still available without a college education. I agree with Murray's claim, to a degree however, it is true that there are other options, but in my opinion college is still the best option. Getting a degree already shows you're very well qualified for a job in that field and it also sharpens your skills in a field of your choice. If college is a slight option for you, take it, you won't regret it.

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John Berry

9/5/2017 08:53:15 pm

Charles Murray is making the argument that a liberal arts college education isn't for most people and that more people should go to vocational schools or study a specific field online. He supports this view through some statistics (such as the fact that a top electrician pays more and will be more fulfilling than a mid level manager), but a lot of it is based on observations, such as the fact that today most businesses use a B.A. as a screening method and that your actual education doesn't matter as much as the degree itself. While I agree that core cultural education should be taught earlier, so that everyone can have access to it, I don't agree with the fact that less people should go to college. While I do concede that college isn't for everyone, and that some people would do better in a trade school or the military, I feel that a college education can help most students grow and learn better than a trade school or internet course. For one thing, colleges, with their wide range of subjects, can help students find passions that they've never thought of before. And while long-distance communications have improved drastically in the last 10 years, they still don't have the intricacies of face to face conversation. Extracurriculars in colleges also allow students with passion outside of academics to meet and discuss their interests, which just isn't possible over the internet. Not to mention nothings better for sports than a college team.

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Matt Flynn

9/5/2017 09:06:27 pm

The stance that the author takes in this article is that college isn't necessarily the best option for everyone. Murray feels that there are more options that should be explored before committed to college. He states, "We should look at the kind of work that goes into acquiring a liberal education at the college level in the same way that we look at the grueling apprenticeship that goes into becoming a master chef." He wants students coming out of high school to take all options into consideration instead of just assuming college is the right fit for them. I agree with this claim due to the fact that not all humans are the same and not all should have to take the same path. It is smart to keep your options open.

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Harry Zay

9/5/2017 09:10:14 pm

The objective Charles Murray was trying to get across in this article is that, the statement, “too many people are going to college,” is not necessarily correct because the truth of the matter is that the average student attending college needs to and is required to know more about things in history, science, art, music and literature then they actually do and that it needs to be taught a lot earlier than college. One thing which really stood out to me that Murray talked about was this:

“The meaning of a college education has evolved since the 19th century. The traditional liberal education is still available for those students who want it, but the curriculum is appropriately broader now, and includes many courses for vocational preparation that today’s students want.”

This statement stood out to me because I feel that it is important for students to receive the traditional liberal education but it is also important to have vocational preparation. Apparently, it is mandatory for all students to be well rounded, not only with many skill sets but also the knowledge of significant events throughout history. After all, we are supposedly required to be “educated” in many different attributes in order to understand this diverse world we live in today. Another factor which Murray pointed out was that the lifestyle on today’s campuses may leave something to be desired with giving students the opportunity to interact with many different natures of people which I believe is very important to be successful in our respective careers.

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Benjamin James Bulauan

9/5/2017 09:45:05 pm

Charles Murray implies in the article, " Are Too Many People Going To College? ", that college education is important and crucial for those who plan for their future and will take it seriously. College is not for everyone and more people should understand that. Being that a lot of people go to college without a plan and don't take it seriously leads to dropouts and a struggle to keep a good job. This is supported in the text when the author offers, “One aspect of this phenomenon has been labeled misaligned ambitions, meaning that adolescents have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their educational plans." I agree with the author because it is easily noticeable in my own community. I personally believe that people should have a plan before they enter college so their time isn’t wasted and so they can have a career that they can enjoy and do for the rest of their lives.

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Ashma Thapa

9/5/2017 10:34:03 pm

In this article the author states that the concept of college is changing as many people is going to college because of the social norm. The author strengthens his arugument by stating that college is not for everyone. He gives example about career path the doesn't require college degree and the person can still have a great life. I do agree with the author. However, I believe that going to college and earning the degree can significantly impact a person's life. College education/ degree does provide great financial benefit at the same time it teaches skills that are very important in order to succeed in life.

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Barbara Delaney

9/5/2017 10:41:52 pm

In his artical "Are too many people going to college?" Charles Murray states his case that college isnt nessiary for everyone, and for some people could just be a waste of money. People who have a plan going into college are the people who will benifit from their college education. He proves his point by also providing examples of jobs that dont require a college education. I agree that college isnt a good choice for everyone, some people who dont plan on working in a feild that requires a college degree would be wasting their money. But if you dont have a plan, college is the best option because not only will it prepare you for many different jobs, it can also help you find the job you want to work the rest of your life in.

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Aminata Toumbou

9/5/2017 11:06:37 pm

Author Charles Murray poses the question "Are too many people going to college?' to the reader as if it is debatable, yet providing a bias on the subject. The article claims that the need for college has been over emphasized in our schools and instilled in our children. Murray states that college is not for everyone and therefore we should not ignore the alternatives such as vocational and trade schools. These he claims would allow people to become more productive members of society without suffering through the college experience if they did not wish to do so. Although the position he argues is rational, I do not agree entirely with his opinion. Today's modern age, however unfortunate calls for a college degree in order to advance.

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Naava Holder

9/5/2017 11:17:36 pm

The article, "Are too many people going to college" explains how people do not necessarily need to go to college to be successful. The author argues against the misconception using it as a foundation to present a new argument;simple or unconventional knowledge is good enough to be successful or special. The author states,"The problem begins with...no matter what." He uses this to show that when people put that pressure on adolescents, they don't usually do well; which makes them feel a way about college. He uses this as a way to introduce living life without a college degree or
experience. I agree with the idea that it is not necessary to go to college and have an unsuccessful life. You do not need college to do that!

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Savannah Graves

9/5/2017 11:21:56 pm

In the article "are too many people going to college?" the author Charles Murray argues that college isn't necessary. He believes that too many kids are being forced to go when they aren't ready. In the article he states "Guidance counselors and parents who automatically encourage young people to go to college straight out of high school regardless of their skills and interests are being thoughtless about the best interests of young people in their charge." I agree with the author. I don't believe that college is necessary for everyone. Some people just don't see it as the way to their success in life.

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Naasih Brown

9/6/2017 06:37:35 am

The author of the article believes the distracting concept of college draws students away from making other decisions for their future. The author Charles Murray backs this by suggesting multiple other options, such as vocational schools, online fields or any different specifications. While I agree that there are plenty of options to be explored, college is a near necessary step in an educational future.

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kristina billings

9/6/2017 02:02:28 pm

Charles Murray believes too many people are buying into the fabrication of college degrees. With the false hope of even achieving your desired degree, Murray provides many more examples of how the "only" way to success may also be your downfall. Without even considering the finical out specs of college, it holds major setbacks and struggles to those looking forward to high paying jobs. From dropouts to harsh competitive atmospheres, it’s not as easy as many make it to seem. According to Murray, even if you get a higher degree, who says you even get the job you were excepting? Going will definitely raise your chances of the desired job, but is spending all the money and time worth it to you? Honestly, I disagree with Murray completely. Any chance given to give you more of an opportunity to your dream should be considered heavily. People should be inspired to take the chance, while they can. It doesn’t guarantee anything but, hope, and sometimes that’s all you need. At least with your degree, you can put down something the average person can`t. It makes you look better, and honestly will help you in the long run.

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Whitney Macri

9/6/2017 07:03:30 pm

In this article the author Charles murray is basically questioning in his article of "Are too Many People Going to College?". Murray argument is that he thinks to many kids are unprepared for college and he believes we should stop forcing high school teens into colleges they are not prepared for.I agree that with Murray that teens don't need to jump into college and stress over if they are prepared or not for another 4 years of higher education.

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Seh meh

9/6/2017 08:21:41 pm

In the article "Are too many people going to college?" the author argue that individuals benefits much more from getting a higher education no matter the cost. On page one of the article " the author states that universities are carving student to to dependable and "cultivated human beings". People with higher education are more likely to get employed compared to those who didn't finish get much education. Most jobs these days require either a degree or four years of class in college.(pg.5) I refute this argument because people should get jobs without a meeting those requirement if they have the talents. Also competition tend to arise when seeking for jobs. As stated in page 8 it is better to look for job that don't have competition because usually it is the low level workers who are either fired or asked to leave. So I believe that people should get equal treatment with or without high educations.

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Mat Adler

9/6/2017 08:31:00 pm

Firstly, yeah, I know this is like a month late. But I signed up for this class after this assignment was due, so... I think that's a pretty good excuse.

Second, the point that the author is trying to make is relates to the idea that too many kids are going to college. The author argues that, provided enough of a liberal arts education is provided before college, only those students who are at the highest percentiles should seek a liberal arts education in college, as only they are well-equipped to do so. It seems like an interesting argument at first, until you realize the author is just a condescending dickwad with a hard-on for elitism. In fact, I'm not sure that this guy has ever met someone outside the top 5 percentiles. He supports his argument with some others' prior research, such as Hirsch's "Cultural Literacy," but mostly uses personal assumptions and logic as his support. The whole article is relatively sparse of concrete facts that back up the author's mental masturbation, not lending too much credibility to arguments that already reek of a total misunderstanding of how people are.

Obviously, I strongly disagree with the author, as you could tell by the fact that I've done everything but call him a presumptuous [redacted]. The issue isn't just that he makes false assumptions, or misuses info, or whatever. The issue is that he's an idiot. the main thing he gets wrong is that his whole premise is moot because no students before, like, junior or senior year of high school are able to fully appreciate the lessons of a good liberal arts education. Because when you teach kids that Columbus was a daring genius, or have them read various deep and philosophical texts, or even teach them that there is unequivocal good and evil, they don't think about what you say, and make connections, and realize that you're wrong. They just believe you. Also, his premise that someone in the 80th percentile wouldn't push themselves is stupid. People have fun at things they suck at all the time. Stop quoting Aristotle. He was wrong about pretty much everything. And, liberal arts educations most likely breed informed citizens and just plain-old good people. Let's encourage that. Not pretend we have some insight against conventional wisdom just because we read some complex book on utilitarianism that no one else wanted to read.

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sativa green

9/7/2017 12:22:27 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College" by Charles Murray, the central idea that is proposed is that because of the way American society is set up today, many young people are being pushed to go to college without first truly considering if there are better options for them. Murray argues that many high school graduates have the possibility and the abilities to attend a four year college and obtain a tittle by which they will be judged by employers for the rest of their lives. However, many of these students don't have enough motivation or academic knowledge to do their best at it. He constantly mentions that in modern times, people are going to college because it is frowned upon if they fail or refuse to do so. In my opinion, I agree with the fact that American society is failing to recognize the talents and abilities possessed by an individual that is not a college graduate, and that there should not be a stigma attached with not having a degree, but I feel like going to college offers people the opportunity to become more well-rounded individuals and it helps them perform better at jobs, so although no one should be pushed to pursue a degree against their will, they also should not be stopped from going just because some test scores allegedly indicate that they will not have the motivation or because they will me "mediocre" about it.

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juan rowlett

9/7/2017 12:25:30 pm

the author is saying that there is to many people going to collage and the article is making the statement that their is to many people and that theres not enough room for it.
the text is supported in the middle paragraph where it says influent founds
I believe that there are not enough people going to collage and that that's the reason people arnt doing so well

In this article Charles Murray is saying that college shouldn't be something to just fool around with and that it should be taken serious as well as that is a great way to get more knowledge in life. In my opinion its a great option to start up a career that someone desires

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Graciela Pagan Cortes

9/7/2017 02:46:28 pm

The argument that the author is making is that not less people should be going to college but more because everybody deserves this opportunity. This is supported at the beginning of the article where the author states that everybody should go to college because there they help us become better human beings. This subject is really sensitive because you're either with the people or against them. In my personal opinion I think that going to college is not something that everybody should do but it is a decision that people make it all depends on what you want to be in life. And I personally believe that college doesn't make you a better person or human being. But the struggles that you have to go in life, for example having to take care of your little sister. It may not teach you how to be an algebra teacher however it teaches you patience and a nurturing side.

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Afeer Masih

9/7/2017 02:48:59 pm

In this article the author Charles Murray is saying that student are being forced to jump in to college and some students are not prepared for it. Student should have a choose whether they want to go to college or not. I believe that if students should not be forced to go to college, what if students want to take a break to be prepared for college and not be worried.

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fatmata keita

9/7/2017 09:08:12 pm

in the article the author Charles Murray, he is saying that people are being force to go to college and some of them are not ready for it.That they are failing to recognize the talents and abilities of possessed by an individual that are not a college graduate.

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Zheina Asencio

9/7/2017 09:59:57 pm

The point that the author is trying to make is that to be successful in life you don't need a college degree and to not feel pressure on attending to college. Charles Murray supports by stating "automatically encouraging young people to go to college straight out of high school...they're thoughtless about the interest of young people."Students aren't informed that there are other many ways to be successful in life. Many students aren't able to go to college right away because of personal necesites. My position on this topic is neutral because not all the students have a economic support to pay college, but I do believe going to college might give some people a successful life.

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Felix Correa

9/8/2017 09:05:47 am

The argument presented in the article, 'Are Too Many People Going to College' is that college is a whole different ballpark and may not be what it seems meaning that it may not be for everyone despite how forced it may seem to attend college. Murray goes on to define the difference between motivation and aspirations with academic ability. If one is content with higher education they have every right to continue and if one finds college not to their liking or expectations and decides that it isn't worth their while, they have every right to no longer attend college.

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Regan Hunt

9/8/2017 09:08:29 am

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going to College?" the author, Charles Murray, develops an argument against the modern American system of college. He believes that there has to be a better system, and he illustrates this by providing his personal opinions and ridicule of college and societal views about post secondary education. I disagree with Murray's view, which seems very narrow minded. He disparages college education, as well as lower than average students, who he says shouldn't strive for these goals.I think college can be beneficial in different ways for everybody, and anyone who wants to go should be encouraged to do so.

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jadelynn charleston

9/8/2017 10:10:58 am

in this article "are too many people going to collage" the author "Charles Murray" argued that people who choose not to go to collage or study what the average person would in collage doesn't make them lazy or make the other people smarter for doing so.in the last paragraph in the topic "liberal education in collage" it state that ''most students at todays collages choose not to take the courses that go into a liberal education because the capabilities they want to develop somewhere else...these student aren't lazy anymore than a student who doesn't want to spend hours learning how to chop carrots into perfect eight-inch dice are lazy".i feel like collage may not be for every one even though its a good experience to have.

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Gabby Gaudio

9/8/2017 11:20:10 am

the author of this article argues that people who don't go to college aren't lazy and it doesn't make other people smarter going. He supports this by giving his own personal opinions of college. I agree that students shouldn't have to go to school right away because they might want to wait and save up some money before they go.

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Gabriela

9/9/2017 02:26:19 pm

In the the article "Are too many people going to college?" author Charles Murray believes the concept of a "liberal college education" pressures students away from making different decisions for their future, decisions that don't include a college degree. Murray supports his argument by suggesting multiple other options to a successful life after high school, such as vocational schools, online fields or any different specifications. I agree that college is important for furthering networking opportunities and furthering a path to a career that society has portrayed as more socially acceptable. But, I don't agree that a higher education is necessary for everyone. As stated in the article, even with a college degree, a job isn't 100% guaranteed. Also, college isn't for everyone and it is not the only way a person can be successful.

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Tamera Thomas

9/9/2017 03:54:24 pm

Charles Murray is making the argument that the higher education system is broken. This is shown in the closing paragraph of the article which states "First, we will set up a common goal for every young person that represents educational success.
We will call it a B.A. We will then make it difficult or impossible for most people to achieve this goal. For those who can, achieving the goal will take four years no matter what is being taught. We will attach an economic reward for reaching the goal that often has little to do with the content of what has been learned. We will lure large numbers of people who do not possess adequate ability or motivation to try to achieve the goal and then fail. We will then stigmatize everyone who fails to achieve it." What he is saying here is that the system that is in place when it comes to higher education is hypocritical and damaging. He believes that American has a way of forcing people to go to college, whether they want to or not, by representing those who did not go to college as unsuccessful, "dumb", or "lazy". He also believes that college is falsely represented as the only way to achieve success. I am conflicted when it comes to this topic. While I do believe education is important, no matter what field you plan to go into and no matter what type of degree you earn, college is just not for everyone nor does it guarantee success.

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Elijah Howard

9/10/2017 02:03:21 pm

The argument that the author, Charles Murray is trying to make in this article is that the statement "Are too many people going to college" is false, with our college system being broken. In example, at the beginning of the article; Murray quote's John Mill's words of “Their object is not to make skillful lawyers, or
physicians, or engineers, but capable and cultivated human beings," in relation to the mention that Universities are not meant to teach students the knowledge to fit them for some special mode of achieving their livelihood. The former, beginning followed by Mill stating “Their object is not to make skillful lawyers, or
physicians, or engineers, but capable and cultivated human beings". If the first former is true after all, then why say that too many are going to college? More people should be going, not fewer; but even this statement is counter-arguable however, as mentioned by Murray. The average student after all, needs to know about history, science, and significant works of literature, art, and music. Another example would be in the paragraph that quotes, "Every percentile down the ability ladder—and this applies to all abilities, not just academic—the
probability that a person will enjoy the hardest aspects of an activity goes down as well. Students
at the 80th percentile of academic ability are still smart kids, but the odds that they will respond
to a course that assigns Mill or Milton are considerably lower than the odds that a student in the
top few percentiles will respond...". What Murray is talking about here is that the lower we go down the percentile range, the less likely it is that even capable people, will enjoy such activities. So should we force all of those who academic skill to gain a college-level liberal education to get one? The answer Murray has for this is simple, it's "no". If a person wants to, it's fine. But they probably won't, and trying to force a person will likely result in them transferring to another place.
So for my standpoint on this, I have to agree with Charles Murray. More people should be going to college, however we cannot force them into doing so. College is not suited for everyone, and just because they don't go we should not try to force them into going, like society already has through various means. There are always better options, and there must be a better way than the system we currently have in place.

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Naim Burgess

9/10/2017 06:22:01 pm

This article argues that college should be important and essential. It states "suppose we have before us a young woman who is in the 98th percentile and wants to be a lawyer. To me it seems essential that she finfishes her undergraduate" . This shows that the author believes college can set people up for great things in the future. My opinion on this topic is similar to the author's. How do you know what college has to offer if you don't go and finish.

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sophie zampariolo

9/10/2017 06:56:23 pm

In the article, "Are Too Many People Going To College?", the author, Charles Murray, argues that while a college education is valuable, it is often misconstrued to be synonymous with success. He also makes the claim that the basics of education should be taught more within an individuals elementary, middle, and high school experience instead of waiting until college to do so. He develops his stance that having a college education isn't the key to success by providing us with examples of other options or paths. While I agree that it is possible to be successful without attending college, and that there are other options, I personally believe that college is still the best one and is more often beneficial in the long run than not.

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Ma'Kiaya Brown

9/10/2017 11:27:50 pm

" Are too many people going to college ? " the author Charles Murray argues that too many people are going to college not because they want to but because they're pressured by their families and society or even their standards, he argues that college is essential there are other ways of life to him college can be " overrated " . I agree with his argument because of the statistics, numbers don't lie a lot of people go to college and end up dropping out because it's not what they really want to do.

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Hannah Cocco

9/11/2017 10:39:50 pm

In the article, the author, Charles Murray, argues that although attending college can help you in life, it isn't the path that will lead you to success. The driving force that sends scholars to college is the job opportunities that will open up rather than the extensive knowledge and information that is being taught. In the text it says, "The ultimate purpose of higher education is to give students a broad base of knowledge and skills rather than to train them for a specific job". This shows that college is meant to be a platform for extended learning and not just credit that can be used for landing a job. Only when used correctly, college will prove to be as important as it is claimed by society and a majority of people. I agree with Murray when he says college will only get you so far, although you may have a degree, you cannot completely rely on that to get a job. There are going to be many people trying to get the same job and have the same degree but you always have to stand out as a person and put yourself out there to get recognition and actually succeed in life and prosper.

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Isabel Washington

9/12/2017 08:27:12 am

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College?" the author doesn't believe that all need to pursue college. He believes that as long as we have the basics of education. The core things that we need should be instilled and taught to us in our adolescence. He doesn't presume that too many people are going to college but that too many people go for things they don't need, nor would they utilize in life as stated on page 3 topic Liberal Education in College. My stance on this subject matter is that if you feel like college is a necessity for your growth in life then you should make an effort to attend it. But, if you feel like college is unnecessary for what you want to do in life then don't go to college.

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Diandra Hennessy

9/12/2017 09:24:05 am

In the article “Are too many people going to college?” the author Charles Murray argues that college is not the one and only way for an individual to succeed in life, but society is pressuring people to attend college right after high school without considering other options. Murray believes that the system is corrupt and that students are being forced to attend college without giving them options. He states, "… automatically encouraging young people to go to college straight out of high school...they're thoughtless about the interest of young people." I agree with Charles Murray when he states that college isn’t the only choice for students and it isn’t for everyone. I believe that if you want to go to college it isn't because someone or something is forcing you to go, but because you want to go.

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Aubrey Halloran

9/12/2017 09:49:39 am

In the article "Are too many people going to college?" The author Charles Murray argues that people's abilities shouldn't be questioned based on their level of education or the degree they may or may not have. Support for this argument can be found in the first paragraph when he states "with higher education under intense scrutiny, the value of a college degree is being questioned like never before." I support this argument mostly because that we as humans shouldn't be told we can't work a job that we know we're capable of doing based on the fact that we may not have the "right" degree from college. I believe that we should all be allowed to do what we put our minds to.

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Ma. Pherine Macua

9/12/2017 12:30:01 pm

In this article "Are there too many people going to college", argues that many students are being forced to go to college to be able to achieve greater things in life. It argues that there are too many people going college because students think that its a necessity and wouldn't be able to be successful without getting a degree. this is supported on the second page of the article paragraph 5 that sates, " The educational establishment sees this kind of curriculum as one that forces children to memorize boring facts. " I believe that student should have the right to make a choice of what they want to be without being forced/pressured.

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Cameron Merrill

9/12/2017 01:15:25 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going to College" the author argues that too many people are in college because people think its a necessity and are overcrowding the available school space. In the article it states that college isn't entirely necessary because it just has students memorize useless facts. I agree with the fact that colleges are overcrowded but i disagree with the fact that he believes college is just useless facts because it can be very useful and help you get further in life than you might have before.j

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quasiajah

9/12/2017 02:31:41 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College" they are debating about if there are too many people in college crowding the available space they did have in school. in the text they state that they feel college isn't a necessity for students and the things they're learning a re useless. They feel as though kids shouldn't have to go to college in order for them to achieve greater things in life. they shouldn't be told they cant do a job they want because they don't have a certain level of education or degree to do it.

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George Franco

9/12/2017 09:43:28 pm

In the Article, " Are too many people going to college " the author Charles Murray argues that college is not the only option in becoming successful. Murray supports this by giving his own opinion on his point of view of college. In my opinion i think college is important but that doesn't mean that you can't be successful at what you want. A paper doesn't tell people of what you are capable of.

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Calena Rodriguez

9/13/2017 10:52:59 am

Charles Murray argues that people's abilities shouldn't be questioned based on their level of education or the degree they may or may not have throughout the article "Are too many people going to college?" In the first paragraph support for this argument can be found when he states "with higher education under intense scrutiny, the value of a college degree is being questioned like never before." I support this argument because we as humans should not be told we are not able work a job that we are capable of doing based on simple fact that we may not have the "correct" degree from college. I believe that regardless of having a college degree or not we should still be able to land a job whether we have a college degree or not.

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Alexis mccormick

9/13/2017 12:11:20 pm

Charles murray argues ( are to many people going to college ) it says that if more and more people go to college they have a better understanding on life they have more knowledge - for example it says -Part of his argument involves the importance of a body of core knowledge in fostering reading speed and comprehension. With regard to a liberal education-
My opinion is that you don't need college to be happy or smart but now in life if yiu want a decent job you need college so I say yes you shoud go to college but its your choice people shoudnt be force

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Dean Cotanda

9/13/2017 02:33:15 pm

Right of the bat the article talks about students are forced to go to college because it can help them obtain new knowledge and help them find the job field they are good at. According to Mill, “we should not restrict the availability of a liberal education to a rarefied intellectual elite. More people should be going to college, not fewer”. Back to the question, not a lot of people go to college, but they should because they need to learn the basics of liberal education.

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labella perez

9/13/2017 02:45:02 pm

charles murrays argument is that too many people are going to college. now more than ever more and more people are starting college and going. part of his argument in the reading is that the importance of body core knowledge is slowing reading speed and comprehension

my opinion on it is that people do like school well some and you don't need to go to college to be successful all the time but if you want a better paying decent job then yes i would of course go to college and maybe thats what people are looking for.

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Renee Wright

9/13/2017 07:13:49 pm

Charles Murray the author of the article addresses that college education isn't the only path to a victorious career. He also emphasizes that higher leveled education is not the only option after high school and how students interests aren't tended to when addressing their future out of high school. Since most of society stresses the importance of college education, high school students automatically assume that's where they should be after graduating high school. “Guidance counselors and parents who automatically encourage young people to go to college straight out of high school regardless of their skills and interests are being thoughtless about the best interests of young people.” Charles mentions this on page three and it enhances his point of how college is pressed in the face of students without acknowledging their interest or passion. I truly support this statements because as a high school student i receive the same course of action and also college education is not for everyone who attends high school.

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Terri Ingram

9/14/2017 10:49:06 am

The argument the author is making in this article is that we should encourage many students to go to college but not put so much pressure on them learning and becoming things if they attend college because of the fact that that's their only way top be successful. Show them different ways. According to the author " they do need to know and to know more than they are leaning so lets teach it to them, but lets not wait for college to do it." I agree with this article because I feel as if I don't need to wait to learn about things in college if I want to learn it now to prepare myself so I can have a better understanding of things.

The author is arguing that vocational occupations are under appreciated, and also that college is overrated.
My opinion is that you don't need college to be happy or smart but now in life if yiu want a decent job you need college so I say yes you shoud go to college but its your choice people shoudnt be forced

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Zakaria Farina

9/14/2017 10:58:57 am

Charles Murray, from The American Magazine wrote an article named, "Are Too Many People Going to College" claiming that people are setting college as this place where you will succeed in life, that there is no other place to acquire this. He also stats that the college system is flaw by saying, "The income for the top people in a wide variety of occupations that do not require a college degree is higher than the average income for many occupations that require a B.A.", while giving an example of a time in which a situation like this can occur. I do agree with some statements Murray claim, for example how today' college system is flawed, but other claims in this article I'd have to disagree with. Saying that there shouldn't be college buildings at all is ridiculous, the experience you earn from going outside, entering buildings, and meeting up with classmates and teachers is completely different from you sitting in your pajamas on your computer in a online college course.

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Davi Ginsburg

9/14/2017 10:59:40 am

9/3/2017 11:51:30 pm

Charles Murray, from The American Magazine wrote an article named, "Are Too Many People Going to College" claiming that people are setting college as this place where you will succeed in life, that there is no other place to acquire this. He also stats that the college system is flaw by saying, "The income for the top people in a wide variety of occupations that do not require a college degree is higher than the average income for many occupations that require a B.A.", while giving an example of a time in which a situation like this can occur. I do agree with some statements Murray claim, for example how today's college system is flawed.

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Maria Elmardi

9/14/2017 12:47:20 pm

In the article "Are too many people going to college" argues that not enough people are going to college when college is key to success. College will take you places and open up new doors for you. The author also claims that college is overrated. I do not agree with this I dont believe its overrated. Having the experience of going to college is very fulfilling, you meet new people, you walk all over campus and its where you make life decisions on what you want to be in life. Now in days you need some sort of college degree to do things and have a decent job. Even though some jobs are common sense or you can get trained on the spot and your capable of doing whatever the job is, just having that college background could come in handy.

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Kacie Melendez

9/14/2017 03:24:58 pm

The argument presented in this article is that college is very different from what it is made out to be and that it is actually not for everyone, despite the push to go. Murray defines the difference between motivation and aspirations using academic ability. I agree that college is not for everyone. If you want a higher education then go for it, but if you don't feel ready or dont desire to put yourself through more years of schooling, it is entirely your choice on whether you attend college or not.

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Alexee seifert

9/14/2017 05:42:17 pm

In this the author is arguing that vacational occupations are under appreciated and that college is overrated for some . He answers the question "are too many people going to college ?" . The author covers this topic by establishing a claim that while some students are built for liberal education and some students capabilities are better in other fields or opportunities. In the article it's shows that going to college is more than just being able to earn more money when you graduate. It's about getting more knowledge about the career you want to persue in the future . It depends on the Person and the route they want to take . College is not always the only choice for people and it's sometimes not always the best choice . He argues that more options should be available for people to help them succeed. He feels that going to college does not prove your abilities and excellence or intelligence. Overall I agree with his arguments . I feel that college isn't always right for everyone depending on their personal situation and there are other routes for people who don't go to college . The choice is based off each person and their personal needs . If they want to gain a higher education or not they shouldn't be judged it should be there best decesion for themselves. But it doesn't prove how intelligent or capable they are as an individual.

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Seamus Seymour

9/14/2017 06:19:51 pm

In the article “Are Too Many People Going to College?” the author, Charles Murray is making the argument that there must be a better system then the one that exists regarding students attending college. The problem starts with sending the message to young people that they should go to college no matter what they do. The current system almost pressures all students to attend college to achieve their B.A. in order to obtain an economic reward. Employers use the B.A. as a screening tool. At times they do not interview applicants if they don’t have a B.A. Some students may desire to further their education by attending college because they like school and it comes easy to them. Most students feel pressured to get a B.A., but they may not be qualified, ready for college or desire to attend college. They feel that this is an “open sesame to a good job.” Students should already be getting the common core knowledge from K – high school and not need to depend on college to get that. This knowledge may be adequate for the type of job they want to do after high school. An example of a high school graduate researching whether to become an electrician or manger looking at the labor statistics might look like getting a B.A. would be better for the individual but actually it is the opposite. The student would be would have greater job satisfaction and happier as his own boss or independent contractor where as if he was a mediocre manager he would be stuck behind with a boss. I think that students shouldn’t feel pressured to attend college they have another plan or trade that doesn’t need that type of education. As the article states “adolescents should have career ambitions that are inconsistent with their educational plans” and this is exactly how I feel.

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Kevin White

9/14/2017 08:17:27 pm

In the article, "Are too many people going to college?" the author is making the argument that college isnt necessary for everyone, depending on your career. For example if someone has the skills to become a successful electrician, they're not going to need as much schooling than someone who wants to become a lawyer. On page 4, Charles Murray states, "The income for the top people in a wide variety of occupations that do not require a college degree is higher than the average income for many occupations that require a B.A. Furthermore, the range and number of such jobs are expanding rapidly. The need for assembly-line workers in factories is falling, but the demand for skilled technicians of every kind is expanding." I agree with the authors argument because although college is important in everyone's education, depending on the career you choose, it may not be necessary.

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Hope DaViincii

9/14/2017 08:32:02 pm

In the article,Are Too Many People Going to College?, Charles Murray makes the argument that liberal education is an open door everyone should walk through. For example in paragraph one of this article he writes,"John Stuart Mill told students at the University of St.Andrews in 1867,'Their object is not to make skillful lawyers, or physicians, or engineers, but capable and cultivated human beings.' If this is true (and I agree that t is), why say that too many people are going to college?" College isn't for everyone and thats okay however as a sperm you had fight to go against stream to be the first to fertilize the egg. You are born from success so to live your life unsuccessfully is a waste of your life.

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Danisha Agosto-Hernandez

9/14/2017 08:34:57 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College?", Murray is arguing that although college may lead to success, its not for everyone. On page 4, he explains that the higher percentile a person is on the "ability ladder", the more probable it is that they will like to do that ability; academic or not. The basis of his argument is that if they want to spend years in a college because they enjoy it, then they should. But if thats not what they desire than college shouldn't be seen as a make it or break it scenario for someones life. I agree with what Murray is saying because hes supporting the idea that people should do what they want contrary of whats seen as right or wrong. After high school it should not be looked down upon if someone wants to pursue other things besides college, instead whatever decision one makes as the next step in their life should be praised.

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Quentin Rodriguez

9/14/2017 08:55:17 pm

Most students should of obtained their basic liberal education. This is stated in the second paragraph. Colleges shouldn't question if students obtained their education already, their job is to support them with more education.

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Gwyss dell'Acqua

9/14/2017 10:17:50 pm

The article, "Are too many people going to college" Charles Murray strongly advocates for the encouragement of young adults to enter into skilled trades, for the betterment of out economy, community, and their futures. “More people should be getting the basics of a liberal education. But for most students, the places to provide those basics are elementary and middle school.” Murray states that many children who could happily pursue skilled jobs, are instead being pushed through years worth of un-needed education, that would be better spent honing skills for a different future. “Students at the 80th percentile of academic ability are still smart kids, but the odds that they will respond to a course that assigns Mill or Milton are considerably lower than the odds that a student in the top few percentiles will respond.” Murray uses logos to show that college may not lead to an economically prosperous future for all kids, and supplying them with access to skilled jobs will ultimately lead to a stronger community. I agree with him, that students should have more access to skilled jobs, and that this access will strengthen the futures of many.

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Alexis Flynn

9/14/2017 10:46:10 pm

The author of this text argues that college is overrated, and is not an essential step to a successful future. Though he does clearly allude to the idea that the subjects offered in college are helpful and provide a better understanding of concepts, he sympathizes with the fact that not everyone has easy access to a liberal education, and that college is not necessarily a gentle subject. He supports his argument with data defending that those with jobs that do not require a college education quite often have higher incomes than those who went into fields with college degrees. Furthermore, he expresses that college is not always an interest to many, and often people feel pressured to pursue a higher education, despite being invested in less strenuous options. He goes on to point out that college is a more natural and considerate selection for those with a dedicated interest in school, whereas others struggle with the labor college proposes. I agree with Murray's claim because there are, in fact, options other than college that can provide successful futures.

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Charles Van Ness

9/14/2017 10:56:27 pm

The article's argument is a very interesting series of points that, in short, explain the issues with modern society and college. It explains that many students go to college without the academic capacity to do well in it/enjoy it. It explains that obtaining a B.A. has become a necessity for the job market, causing almost all students to want to go on a path to college despite many not finding it fulfilling, and that the subjects learned while earning that B.A. often don't need to correspond to a job. That's the short of it. In my opinion, I think the article makes both good points and bad points. One of my issues with it, for example, is its stating that people at, apparently, not a high enough academic percentile, shouldn't go to college, especially when related to liberal arts. I found that absolutely ridiculous to read. People shouldn't feel like they have to exclude themselves because they're not good enough, while that top 10, 20% of people are in college because their "academic percentile" is higher. It's elitist. If people are passionate about something and WANT to go to college for it, they should. They shouldn't feel discouraged because they have trouble learning or some such. On the other hand, I feel like the article also made some good points about college. One, for example, is the argument that a B.A. has become far too necessary within our society, to the point that all high school students are very, very strongly encouraged to attend college despite the fact that many find it unfulfilling or some such and end up dropping out, thus leading to the theme of the article, too many people going to college. This also represents a huge departure from what college used to be in our society, a place to pursue academics rather than a place to earn a better job easier. While I don't necessarily disagree with that change, I do agree that the role of college in our modern society is an issue, but to change it would require massive steps be taken, radically changing our society. I'm not really sure how it could be gone about to change the norm like that, but it would be hugely difficult to nigh-impossible. What're we gonna do, revolt? It's something that has to occur naturally, just as the change in role of college to its modern role occurred naturally.

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Angel Machado

9/14/2017 10:58:08 pm

In the article "Are too many people going to college" the authors argument is that more people should be going to college to live a successful life. This article shows that going to college can leave you with a career and not just a job. I believe if people want a certain job that makes them happy then they should go after that job. Whether or not they need to go to college.

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Joshua Garces

9/14/2017 11:31:13 pm

In the article, Charles Murray argues that college should be important. He makes the claim that too many people are going to college. Also, too many people are going to college and don't have a plan for the future and might just be doing it because it's what they are told to do. And because this is the case many tend to drop out and struggle to find a decent job. This is shown in the quote, "some students are built for liberal education, while other students capabilities are better cultivated in other ways.” I disagree with the author because the reason society pressures us to go to college is because it is a great option in most cases.

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Erika Leonard

9/15/2017 05:41:20 am

In this article, Murray explains why college isn't all that it's cracked up to be. He explains that it is overrated and many vocational careers are passed by because of a certain stigmatism. He supports his claim by debunking multiple large arguments for the benefits of college such as a bachelors helping one obtain a job and the job gained offsetting the cost of student loans. I agree with Murray for so many reasons. We as a society put higher education on a huge golden pedestal making any other path seem scummy or unambitious. The trust of the matter is that college is not for everyone and that vocational careers are respectable work that is necessary to a functioning society. I see no reason why this should've presented as a lower option. So many students go to college not know at all what they want to do. They just go because that's what they've been told to do. It's absurd that we wouldn't view jumping into a six figure debt with no idea what one is expecting to get out of it as the crazier option here. Parents and teachers need to start encouraging their children to do what's right for themselves.

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Malia

9/15/2017 10:42:06 am

The arguement of "Are too many people going to college?" is that college is an institution of liral freedom of who wants and doesn't want to go to college. I think all people should do what's they feel is right for them so they can see for them selves if college is the right way to go but if we need more doctors in this world and other important things more people should o to college

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Khadijah Tillery

9/15/2017 11:44:13 am

In the article "Are too many people going to college?" questions about students education. I believe that there is no such thing as too many people attending college, you can never get enough education and that shouldn't even be a question if extra schooling is required. If people are eligible to attend college then why shouldn't they not go?! I think all people should do what is right for them and receive as much education as people if they want too.

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katherine Hartman

9/15/2017 12:02:43 pm

The Author of ‘are too many people going to college” tries to be on the fence
About if but we seen what side he’s on. College today compared to in the 1800- early 1900s is more of a social requirement than more of my family has money. Take this for example “consider that more than 90 percent of high school seniors expect to go to college”. The majority of people today expect to go to college while only a minority isn’t., Times have clearly changed, but does every job need a college degree? No take construction workers are electricians who can have high paying jobs without needing a degree. I believe that college is important for some jobs layers, neurosurgeons and more but I think that more people should look into jobs where college isn’t there because the gap between expectations employers have and the kids who got out of college is getting bigger. This can lead to a cycle of debt and depression. More people need to look at all the possibilities for the future.

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Will Smith

9/15/2017 12:18:52 pm

In the article" Are too many people going to college?", the author argues about to many people are going to college. That college is mostly the key towards success. But sometimes college isn't for everybody. It's other ways that people use as their key to success. I think you can educate yourself everywhere you go in life, sitting in a classroom with a notebook and pencil isn't the only way you can educate yourself. At the end of the day it's up to you if you want to take your education to the next level.

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Esther Paul

9/15/2017 01:04:24 pm

In the arrival are too many people going to collage Charles Murray argument is that if collage gives you the nessisery tool to be a good Sicilian in society by educating you on the culture knowledge giving u the basics of "a liberal education" and asked why is it even questioned weather so many people go to collage. He believes that saying to many people are going to collage "is not the same as saying that the average student does not need to know about history, science, and great works of art,music, and literature" so he believes for the most part that everyone should get a chance at higher education but he also seems to believe this kind of education should be thought from lower grades up he makes the argument that society try's to make the decision about our careers for us by making it seem like one thing is accepted more than the other which affects us when we actually go to collage causing us to chose what so society makes seem acceptable. I agree with the author argument because if collage will be so beneficial to us why is it a question weather to many are going I do believe so many people don't follower there dreams because of the way society makes them seem so yes I do agree with the authors point of view.

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Unam Ali

9/15/2017 01:04:38 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going To College" by Charles Murray, it is argued that college is not what everyone seems to think it is and in reality isn't all it's cracked up to be. He believes that college does not guarantee job safety nor satisfaction and in many cases, can lead to further problems down the road when it comes to paying off student loans. Too many people rely on college for their future rather than truly thinking about whatever it is that they want to do, and instead they oftentimes go to college because it's what's expected of them. There are many points I agree with Murray about, such as that college is not for everyone and shouldn't be forced on people. It's definitely very expensive and more people should think about the fact that it's hard for a lot of people to afford moving on to higher education. If someone really doesn't want to pursue higher education, they shouldn't have to. Although at the same time, I must say that it should still be considered because furthering your knowledge and education should never be considered a bad thing. More people should be able to go to college for that reason, and in doing so I believe that in a perfect world, the cost of tuition should be lowered to make it more accessible. College is not only an opportunity to further one's education, but to also boost one's social skills and how they communicate.

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Gabrielle Rodriguez

9/15/2017 01:08:07 pm

This article argues that going to college is the best way to get through life, that it is a must. This is discussed throughout the article. Personally i think that going through college can definitely be helpful, but college is not for everyone. some people dont need to go to college in order to live a successful, stable life

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Empress Victory

9/15/2017 01:13:49 pm

The author believes that college is very important and should be taken advantage of. He feels this way but also thinks that college isn't for everyone. He feels that it's not for the ones that's not going to take it seriously enough. But for the ones that's willing to expand their college years and take it seriously. An example is when he encouraged the girl to continue college for her undergrad years. I believe that college is not for everyone and people can still succed without it.

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Madison Elia

9/15/2017 01:34:30 pm

In the article "Are Too Many People Going to College" the author argues that college is important but maybe it isn't for everyone. The author feels that many people go to college because they think its the 'norm' but because of this many vocational schools and jobs are over looked and seen as not as important. I agree with the author that college is important but some people are just not cut out for it.

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Haille Hart

9/15/2017 02:23:07 pm

The argument in this article "Are Too Many People Going to College" argues that college is important and people should take advantage of furthering their education. I agree with the authors argument because if people have the chance to go to college they should take advantage, a degree can take you a long way.

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Amari Morris

9/15/2017 02:46:51 pm

The argument made in "Are Too Many People Going To College" states that college doesn't guarantee job safety nor satisfaction and in many cases, can lead to further problems down the road when it comes to paying off student loans. It isn't what everyone says it will be. Many see college as a way to get away from everything when that's wrong you need college to further your life you need to be thinking further ahead. That is why when Charles Maury said college isn't for everyone I agree. College is there to help you grow mentally and socially as a person.

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Elijah Perdue

9/15/2017 02:47:42 pm

The argument the author is making is that college may not be for everyone . The author support his argument by using 3 claims & counterclaims including questions to catch the audience attention even more. I agree with the author because college is not for fun & games like some people think it is.

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9/18/2017 01:53:20 pm

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