turso wrote:Yeah, suckiest plastic on market the protege, luckily they're making a new mix of it.

That's not my experience, at least with the Clutches my wife and I picked up. Grippy, tacky, almost chalky to the touch, and very rigid. It takes beatings quite well, and has remained very stable for both of us...in fact, we're now using them a great deal in our P&A games.

Of course, protege should probably never be used for a driver, but for a putter it works great. I'd be curious to hear more details about other runs, because I'm going to pick up more protege Clutches soon, and we might have some Clozers coming in a players pack soon.

dgdave wrote:I've only had problems with white. Red, black, and green have all been like you described

Likewise for me. My main putter is lime green and in my practice stack I have more lime greens, yellows and dark green and they are all as you described. The one white I have is softer and beating in much faster, showing more signs of wear in just the practice rotation than my main putter or the dark green I'm using off the tee.

I felt up a white gravity plastic Clutch the other day. Pretty sticky, and not as floppy as some of the other sticky plastic out there. I'd have to try one out for a while to give a more thorough evaluation, but those who are throwing them so far do tend to like them.

My white protege Clutch was part of the first run, it is stiff as hell, tacky as can be, and flies perfectly stable, but from what others are saying they might have run a bad batch of white plastic more recently. This is good to note. Also good to note that the red, black, and green are very nice.

We're going to be swimming in clutches in the near future (tournament discs), I'll report more info when we get them.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

jubuttib wrote:Our Icons have held just as good as any Star disc, don't know what's up with yours.

Sheet metal, no doubt.

Meilahti. Bed rock on the course and broken glass at places plus asphalt at the end of the baseball field. I threw mine when new at the baseball field that is 400' long artificial grass and asphalt after it. It got scrapes for almost each toss landing in the asphalt after 400' or more of flight. After i saw the disc graduate with scars i thought ok this doesn't seem to have a long life looking shiny so i might as well toss it FH at the course and it got way worse than scrapes for each shot.

I don't doubt the durability of Icon in Rampage or Cannon landing on grass or hitting trees. Rocks, asphalt and (the horror) glass pieces eat it away quickly.

Metal is not in question at Meilahti there's none of that to hit there.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.