Monte Carlo and RG is isn't equivalent to freestyle in the Olympics in terms of popularity and importance . Freestyle was and still is the most popular/important events that is equal to Wimbledon in tennis.

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Phelps dominated the 200 freestyle for years, and has a slew of relay golds swimming the 100 freestyle leg. Fine though, like I said I guess since the 50 and 100 freestyle are the only events that important Alexander Popov, Gary Hall Jr. and Pieter Van den Hoogenband are the best swimmers ever though, and not Michael Phelps. Nobody on the planet has any idea other than the grand experts of TTW, so thanks for enlightening me on this. :lol:

This is the only place on the planet with people stupid enough they don't think Phelps is the best swimmer ever (unlike Federer where there are tons of places and people who wouldn't think he is the best tennis player ever).

Similarily a tennis forum is the only place or sports forum anywhere where Federer possibly being the best athlete ever would be even discussed (and even here, a forum full of Federer worshippers 95% of posters have shot down the idea as ridiculous, but the Fed fanboys keep resurrecting this thread every 2 months as something to jerk off over I guess). On an off topic area of say a hockey, football, track and field, swimming, or soccer forum, a discussion about best athlete ever wouldn't even have Federer's name brought up, and if it was by anyone it would be laughed at.

Phelps dominated the 200 freestyle for years, and has a slew of relay golds swimming the 100 freestyle leg. Fine though, like I said I guess since the 50 and 100 freestyle are the only events that important Alexander Popov, Gary Hall Jr. and Pieter Van den Hoogenband are the best swimmers ever though, and not Michael Phelps. Nobody on the planet has any idea other than the grand experts of TTW, so thanks for enlightening me on this. :lol:

This is the only place on the planet with people stupid enough they don't think Phelps is the best swimmer ever (unlike Federer where there are tons of places and people who wouldn't think he is the best tennis player ever).

Similarily a tennis forum is the only place or sports forum anywhere where Federer possibly being the best athlete ever would be even discussed (and even here, a forum full of Federer worshippers 95% of posters have shot down the idea as ridiculous, but the Fed fanboys keep resurrecting this thread every 2 months as something to jerk off over I guess). On an off topic area of say a hockey, football, track and field, swimming, or soccer forum, a discussion about best athlete ever wouldn't even have Federer's name brought up, and if it was by anyone it would be laughed at.

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But you said MC and RG is parallel comparison to freestyle in swimming, which is dumb. MC isn't even a slam to begin with, and isn't even the most prestigious MS since it isn't a mandatory event anymore. RG was and will always be behind Wimbledon, and many listed below USO.

You are so delusional to think Federer isn't one of the great(if not the greatest) since he owns most of the tennis records in the open-era, and is considered the greatest by the international panel of tennis experts. But what do I expect from you(NadalAgassi) after denigrating Federer for many years.

TMF, he was making a crude analogy that very successfully demonstrates a basic point. You aren't seeing the forest from the trees .. probably because you lack the talent. I'm sure if he wanted to, he could fine tune his analogy to make the same point but to be more accurate and precise—but he didn't want to waste minutes of his time coming up with absolutely perfect equivalents, and wanted to demonstrate a basic point.

Similarily a tennis forum is the only place or sports forum anywhere where Federer possibly being the best athlete ever would be even discussed (and even here, a forum full of Federer worshippers 95% of posters have shot down the idea as ridiculous, but the Fed fanboys keep resurrecting this thread every 2 months as something to jerk off over I guess). On an off topic area of say a hockey, football, track and field, swimming, or soccer forum, a discussion about best athlete ever wouldn't even have Federer's name brought up, and if it was by anyone it would be laughed at.

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This 'soccer' forum thread got bumped specifically to include Federer. Nobody laughed, infact many agree he was greatest sportsman to ever live.

On this sports forum (a successor to the BBC 606, which disapeared due to govt cuts.) Federer made the final of a GOAT bracket, he lost the final 51% to 49%. Nobody was laughing.

Federer is in the conversation, that can't be denied. I wouldn't have him at #1 personally.

ESPN had to go beyond sports, after Roger gave them no choice

Is Federer on the same level in tennis that Scorsese is in film, that William Faulkner was in writing, that Quincy Jones is in musical production, that Meryl Streep is at acting, that Rachelle Ferrell is at singing, that Oscar Peterson was at playing the piano, that Oscar Niemeyer is at architectural modernism, that Steve Jobs was at modern innovation?

I understand that this is all subjective, but at some point (and that time is now) this conversation has to go public. Federer basically has given us no choice.

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The Australian also thinks he is in the conversation

ROGER Federer is being hailed as possibly the greatest athlete in sports history after his spectacular return to the summit of tennis with a record-equalling seventh Wimbledon crown.

Federer's spellbinding 4-6 7-5 6-3 6-4 triumph over home hope Andy Murray not only ended all arguments over his status as tennis's undisputed king, but also sparked debate about his place in the pantheon of sport's all-time greats.

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Daily Telegraph

And, such has been his domination of his sport over the last six years, many would argue he has a good claim to being the greatest exponent of any sport in history.

Of course they didn't omit them. It's just that when they had to pick one they pick Federer, but that doesn't mean Jordan or Gretzky isn't a worthy #1.

Thanks for not posting with hashtags anymore. It's about time.

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Canada.com probably gets its statistics from the same place you do. Wikipedia, Mr. Wiki.

Roger Federer is a lot of things in the sport of tennis but he isn't anywhere near being the best ever in sports, when his place in tennis history continues to be debated because of his 10-23 record against his chief rival.

I guess all the media hype of Eugenie Bouchard has in some way tainted Canada.com . They somehow have managed to turn the euphoria of Eugenie into a weightless trophy for Roger. Spectacular.

Canada.com probably gets its statistics from the same place you do. Wikipedia, Mr. Wiki.

Roger Federer is a lot of things in the sport of tennis but he isn't anywhere near being the best ever in sports, when his place in tennis history continues to be debated because of his 10-23 record against his chief rival.

I guess all the media hype of Eugenie Bouchard has in some way tainted Canada.com . They somehow have managed to turn the euphoria of Eugenie into a weightless trophy for Roger. Spectacular.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB​

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Wikipedia's tennis numbers are as correct as the ones from other sources, but nice try Mrs. Hashtags.
I'm glad that you're only spamming the forum with this kind of stuff now though, instead of something so, shall I say, age-inappropriate.

Wikipedia's tennis numbers are as correct as the ones from other sources, but nice try Mrs. Hashtags.
I'm glad that you're only spamming the forum with this kind of stuff now though, instead of something so, shall I say, age-inappropriate.

#RF #18

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I just don't understand what internet governing body asserted Canada.com as a major hub for sports news? Most wouldn't have even known about it had it not been mentioned in this thread.

You consider Wikipedia as being accurate? I have a tropical island in the middle of Australia I would like to sell you.

Canada.com probably gets its statistics from the same place you do. Wikipedia, Mr. Wiki.

Roger Federer is a lot of things in the sport of tennis but he isn't anywhere near being the best ever in sports, when his place in tennis history continues to be debated because of his 10-23 record against his chief rival.

I guess all the media hype of Eugenie Bouchard has in some way tainted Canada.com . They somehow have managed to turn the euphoria of Eugenie into a weightless trophy for Roger. Spectacular.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB​

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Serena has no "rivals". Sampras never had a rival of his caliber (or better) either.

Canada.com probably gets its statistics from the same place you do. Wikipedia, Mr. Wiki.

Roger Federer is a lot of things in the sport of tennis but he isn't anywhere near being the best ever in sports, when his place in tennis history continues to be debated because of his 10-23 record against his chief rival.

I guess all the media hype of Eugenie Bouchard has in some way tainted Canada.com . They somehow have managed to turn the euphoria of Eugenie into a weightless trophy for Roger. Spectacular.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB​

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Federer is not the best in sports is your opinion, and you are not part of the majority.

What are you talking about? Neither of the individuals you've identified are being discussed in this thread.

The Ides of March brings out the interesting ones for sure. What's next, discussion about Vince Van Patten in a Don Budge thread? You kids.

#PTL #JC4Ever

AngieB​

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They are examples of players you usually reinforce. Players who were dealt a luckier hand than Federer.

Vince Van Patten is also an actor. He left the profession prematurely to pursue this career choice, as such, he is not really brought up in any sort of conversation; as he is a lost relic of tennis. Something you neglect often on this forum.

This is most unfortunate, because I always enjoyed your insightful replies to some of the comments I made over the years. I do agree about HAMMER77777 though -- I myself have been giving a lot of thought to the idea of placing him or her on my ignore list, at least temporarily.:lol:

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Don't worry. I haven't given up on you completely. :lol: I may have just been in a bad mood on that fateful day. You never know. You might make it off the list. Sometimes miracles happen. :twisted:

So out of some 17 individual swimming events, the only two that matter are the 50 and 100 freestyle according to you. Yeah sound logic. Akin to a Nadal fan saying the only events in tennis that matter are Monte Carlo and Roland Garros maybe. Who are the best swimmers ever then, Pieter Van Den Hoogenband and Gary Hall Jr. :lol: Wake me up when you return to planet Earth.

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reading comprehension issues???

i have acknowledged that phelps is the best all around swimmer.

however, it doesn't mean he is dominant everywhere...he is not world class in freestyle.

a better analogy would be would be someone who was great in many running events but couldnt win the 100 m dash or isnt world class in 100 or 200m.

its like bolt except the converse. bolt is so famous just for really those two events...

but they are so prestigious that it almost doesnt matter that bolt doesnt run 400, 800, 1500, hurdles etc.