You read tea leaves better than I do?! Sh*t, it sounds like you've been SMOKING those tea leaves.

Or anal chugging spiked gatorade.

The idea that we have a gem of a QB who is being dragged down by an incompetent surrounding cast is a joke.

The OL, RB, TE, and WR let us down YET AGAIN when Sanchez stared at the pileon and threw another red zone INT. (And btw, wouldn't be surprised if Keller purposely drew a 5-yd penalty for a chance at a TD catch on 3rd & 7)

And the truth is, Mark Sanchez is an inaccurate, poor reading, pressure folding, underperforming, turnover-spewing liabillity at the single most vital position on the field.

Defense of what is clearly a below-mediocre play by our QB will not change it. Nor will throwing the entire franchise under the bus to excuse it.

We cannot cut everyone, front office, coach and all the players.

We can replace Sanchez.

And we will.

If Dan Marino 1986 was our quarterback today, the Jets defense still gives up 28 points and we still lose.

That's the point.

The Rex Ryan Jets are supposed to be able to whether the storm of a weak QB because our D is so good and our rushing attack is so good. Go watch some 2009 highlights, it worked then. You know, when we were stocked with Eric Mangini's talent.

The question is whether or not he's shown enough in the past to make it worthwhile to invest a proper HC, OC, WR, TE, RB, and OL in him. I say yes.

SAR I

And there it is.

In order for Mark Sanchez to succeed, we'd have to replace every person involved in the O, Head Coach, O-Co, and every player around him.

Or....

We could replace Sanchez, and see if another QB can do better with what we have and hopefully some realistic-level of improvement.

Because the fact is, we're not getting all-pro players and perfect O-based Coaches at every spot for Sanchez. It's impossible.

But we CAN find a QB who can play better than 48% completion, 2+ turnovers a game, and yet another no-points performance.

Originally Posted by SAR I

If Dan Marino 1986 was our quarterback today, the Jets defense still gives up 28 points and we still lose.

That's the point.

Your point is wrong. Flat out wrong, and I think most fans with any clue know it at this point.

Dan Marino on this team is still Dan Marino, and he performs.

Mark Sanches is Mark Sanchez. Unable to complete passes reliably to even open recievers. Turnovers to spare. And an inabillity to score. This is the legacy of the Mark Sanchez Era in New York. An underperforming O since the day he arrived till today.

Yes, there is no shortage of blame to go around.

And it starts and ends with the single most vital position on the football field, the QB. Ours, currently, is the worst in the NFL.

Did we run the ball?
Did we pass protect?
Did WR's catch passes?
Did the defense not allow 28 points?
Did the special teams not screw up?
Did the coaching staff get us ready after a 2 week vacation?

We're supposed to win it on a crushing DEFENSE and a power RUNNING GAME. Before we point the finger at the quarterback, START THERE.

SAR I

There's not one aspect of this team that works.
QB sucks
Running game sucks
D can't stop the run or the pass
Special teams suck too

I agree with SAR to an extent. This is supposed to be a team that would succeed primarily because of defense, then the running game. Those two things are the biggest reason this team is awful. Sanchez hasn't helped at all though.

In order for Mark Sanchez to succeed, we'd have to replace every person involved in the O, Head Coach, O-Co, and every player around him.

Or....

We could replace Sanchez, and see if another QB can do better with what we have and hopefully some realistic-level of improvement.

Because the fact is, we're not getting all-pro players and perfect O-based Coaches at every spot for Sanchez. It's impossible.

But we CAN find a QB who can play better than 48% completion, 2+ turnovers a game, and yet another no-points performance.

Your point is wrong. Flat out wrong, and I think most fans with any clue know it at this point.

Dan Marino on this team is still Dan Marino, and he performs.

Mark Sanches is Mark Sanchez. Unable to complete passes reliably to even open recievers. Turnovers to spare. And an inabillity to score. This is the legacy of the Mark Sanchez Era in New York. An underperforming O since the day he arrived till today.

Yes, there is no shortage of blame to go around.

And it starts and ends with the single most vital position on the football field, the QB. Ours, currently, is the worst in the NFL.

I have to agree. I was a Sanchez supporter until today. He's been David Carr'd by the regime to the point that he has regressed and he responds negatively to pressure, a reversal from his reputation 2009-10.

We have to see if Sanchez is the variable because the whole team and regime cannot be changed right now.

Mark Sanches is Mark Sanchez. Unable to complete passes reliably to even open recievers. Turnovers to spare. And an inabillity to score. This is the legacy of the Mark Sanchez Era in New York. An underperforming O since the day he arrived till today.

Yes, there is no shortage of blame to go around.

And it starts and ends with the single most vital position on the football field, the QB. Ours, currently, is the worst in the NFL.

I'm not sure why everyone is getting more amped-up this week on the Sanchez hate as they did after any of the other losses this year. Nothing has changed.

You keep asking Mark Sanchez to play better, to elevate his game. That's fair. I agree. But I don't see you asking:

Shonn Greene to play better.
The OL to block better.
David Harris to make a tackle.
Our safeties and DB's to not allow two home run balls in the same game.
Coples and Maybin to live up to their hype.
Special teams to not muff punts and not kick balls out of bounds.
The offensive coordinator to contribute.
The Tim Tebow experiment to stop.
The head coach to motivate his team.

The entire team is a mess. Scapegoating Mark Sanchez is convenient, but it's not honest.

We're about to replace Sanchez. Woody's saving it for Thanksgiving. After we lose in St. Louis and fall to 3-7 and facing the threat of 40,000 no shows on a national stage and a humiliation to the Patriots, they'll whip out the "Tebow is our starter" card just in time to fill the seats and create buzz.

And I'll tell you exactly what will happen: Nothing. Because the entire team is broken, not just a single player.