8-8 at best now. Offense is very nice, defense sucks ass. I think Andy Dalton is a bona fide NFL starter and a pretty good one, but we made him look almost like an All Pro out there. Secondary should have been at least a #2 priority in the offseason at thevery least, and it better be a big #1 next offseason. Yeah the pick 6 was very nice, but still. We have no bona fide starters(including Hall) and no depth. Our #1 pick needs to be the best secondary man available whether it is a CB or S is irrelevant. Our offense is awesome finally, and now their efforts are going to be wasted on a rather porous secondary. Robert is better than Newton or Vick, and we have given him some nice tools to work with. We need Garcon back at 100% to at least open things up more for Hankerson and co. I am still upbeat about the way things are going, but man we need a decent secondary to get to the next level in the W column.

If we went for it and didn't get it you would still be complaining. He was playing the field position there.

No i wouldnt. It was a difference of twenty twenty five yards on the punt and the entire stadium knew it. I was yelling nooooo when the punt team came out. If u think for one second i have more faith in this defense stopping anyone you are wrong. I do have faith that rg3 could have gained two feet. I absolutely would not have ever complained about going for it in a million years.

Well we tried to get Eric Winston and that didn't work out. Not really sure why Black didn't play RT and they didn't slide Polumbus to LT (not that Polumbus did much at RT), considering they had Black practicing at RT all summer

As for the 4th down I would have gone for it, but in fairness to the decision the Bengals O did nearly nothing in the 2nd half up until that point.

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I'm gonna go bullet style points here. I'm not too upset with this loss, I think a lot of us got caught up the hype of RG3 and we need to take a step back and realize that everything he's going through right now is a learning experience. Winning games would be nice right now, but no matter how bad the defense is this year, if RG3 shows progress as a quarterback I think most of us would be ok with that. But then again I wasn't the one thinking playoffs after we traded for the right to pick him.

Quick points:

- Secondary is horrible, but we already knew this, so I think this is something we're probably going to have to live with for the rest of the season.

- First play of the game set the tone. We got dominated the first half save for one timely pick by Rob Jackson who happened to be in the right place at the right time.

- We need to get creative on defense because if we can't pressure the qb it will be an extremely long year on defense.

- Hopefully this is the first of many games where we don't have blocked punts/field goals on special teams.

- If you are going to be on the onside kick-recovering team, you really need to be aware of body position before you touch the ball. Not that we're going to see this too often but it's something we need to be prepared for.

- I hope that this option stuff is just something we're doing to continue to ease RG3's transition, and that hopefully we'll shed it except for rare occasions when RG3 becomes a competent qb, which based on what I've seen so far, shouldn't be a 3 year deal.

- Still impressed with the things RG3 is able to do on a football field, every game I'm reminded of the things a guy like him can get away with. As much as I hate to say it, I'm not a huge fan of designed runs that expose him to big hits. They definitely help because it forces defenses to respect the dual threat, but I'm ok with only using it enough to keep the defense honest.

- Sorry Jordan Black you are the weakest link. Same goes for Polumbus. Still not upset at the time for what they went with though, because I'm sure that 18 million cap penalty blindsided us and forced us to adjust our approach to FA. Not much you can do when you don't have the salary cap room to help your team get better.

- Not even going to get mad with the replacement refs, this loss is most definitely on us, same as last week. I don't like the calls but we should expect to deal with it for the immediate future, and hopefully our players aren't trying to rely on refs to make the calls because we've got no idea what will be called and what won't be called. As far as game impact goes, I think the refs are negatively impacting both sides.

Secondary is terrible. Defensive coaching is bad. Offense is good with the exception of our offensive line, which is absolutely atrocious. Their defensive ends were consistently able to generate pressure against our tackles. Fortunately we were able to mitigate that threat a bit by getting RG3 out of the pocket, but if grossman had been back there we would have been lucky to score 20 points.

I told my buddy before the game that we'd have to double AJ green the whole game to have any chance. What does Haslett do? Play single man coverage with Hall against Green and stand off him 10 yards. Sure I understand you don't want to get beat deep, but THAT'S WHY YOU DOUBLE HIM! And people are surprised when he gets ~200 yards... WHO ELSE ON THE BENGALS IS A THREAT!?

We had more momentum as a team and crowd at that point than we did all day long. There was no way we were not making two feet there. And again the punt netted us thirteen yards of field position. Its not like we were at our own forty.