Wow this surprises me. All the tuners talking about how much hp they tuned the 1m for yet no dyno's of the thing stock or tuned aside from the one inside line or whatever it was?

Still no confirmation of what the whp numbers really are as the insideline was clearly a dyno graph showing calculated crank hp numbers. Similar to what BMW does when they release a dyno since its usually an engine dyno.

Those are so painful to look at that severe drop hill in torque soooo early in the rev band. By all means if people want to drive a car with that power curve I say more power to them! Makes you realize why you pay more for the m3.

Those are so painful to look at that severe drop hill in torque soooo early in the rev band. By all means if people want to drive a car with that power curve I say more power to them! Makes you realize why you pay more for the m3.

Yea I mean what would all the 1M buyers do with that useless torque and lower weight. Bottom line is they didn't get the M3 and they all deserve to hang themselves.

It is a different power curve, but not necessarily any more or less fun. At least one recent magazine test showed the 1M to be about equal to 60 and the quarter mile (110 mph) as the M3. More torque, same suspension and brakes but less weight -- the 1M has quite a bit of appeal. On a daily driver basis, the 1M's power is more accessible -- no need to wait until you are up around 6000 rpm where the M3 feels fast. I like my E90 M3 as a comfortable cruiser, but it is no rocket ship. You really have to work it hard to make it go fast.

It is a different power curve, but not necessarily any more or less fun. At least one recent magazine test showed the 1M to be about equal to 60 and the quarter mile (110 mph) as the M3. More torque, same suspension and brakes but less weight -- the 1M has quite a bit of appeal. On a daily driver basis, the 1M's power is more accessible -- no need to wait until you are up around 6000 rpm where the M3 feels fast. I like my E90 M3 as a comfortable cruiser, but it is no rocket ship. You really have to work it hard to make it go fast.

Downshifting to 3.5 to 4k is making it work hard? I don't get it. You really do not need to be at 6k to have fun; that is flat out racing. The only reason it feels faster is because the power delivery is so linear. It is still a decent size displacement v8 with appropriate gearing.

I have no issue with the 1m's delivery...had two turbos before the m3. I just don't get the people that think you have to work when the car has about 5k rpms of flat torque.

These cars have had no adaption as dyno runs have been done straight after flashing the evolve map in. They will smooth out and gain some more power as is normal with 135i's after they have had a chance to adapt to the tuning.

The 1M is compatible with our evolve-R cable so you can load your original/tuned maps into the car as you please.

We will have stage 2 tuning complete very soon. Supersprint have developed a turbo back system for us which will be ready for sale in 1 month. The inlet temperatures on these cars is quite high so they will benefit greatly from an FMIC - we have currently had our own one designed by the company that makes the OEM Konigsegg intercoolers and will be releasing it shortly.

thanks We will be posting up there today. Was hoping to get it back on the dyno to do post adapted runs but should just get it out there.

The tune comes with our evolve-R remote tuning unit. It is a cable that goes into your laptop and the OBD. Much like other systems, it reads out the stock file and writes in others. I'll post up a link to the thread once complete. Stage 2 requires hfc or cat delete, it comes complete with our incoming SS developed Evolve exhaust though an IC is recommended.

I guess this is just something I will not change my mind about. Alternatively I did not like the f10 m5 at first but it has grown on me v. this just has gotten less and less appealing.

Looking at those dyno's just make it all the more reason it is clear to me that owning that car is taking the 335 engine with a tune and slapping it in the car. I do not doubt its as fast as the m3, handles as well or better and gets better gas mileage but the entire point of the enjoyment of the m3 is that you are driving something special and unique. The engine dynamics is 75 percent of the fun of the car. Knowing your engine has a hp curve like an F1 car (on a very scaled down version). Having to keep your hand on the paddles or shifter and shift a lot just like F1 guys. Hearing the throttle blips at frequent downshifts. Hearing the screaming engine while you keep it above 6500 and in and out of 2nd and 3rd, listening to it scream constantly.

For decades there is something faster you can buy than the M cars but the whole reason is the M cars had something unique and special, not that they were necessarily faster. Again I believe the 1m is as fast or faster but to most I do not think that matters as much as the fun/unique factor

Doesn't the M3 usually trap 114 and do "0-60" (useless metric that it is) in 3.9-4.1 secs? Same mag, same driver, same day?

If by "usually", you mean "fastest ever recorded", then you're correct.

That said, the M3 will typically have a higher trap speed than the 1M, essentially meaning that if you're out on the highway in your M3 and come across a stock 1M, not to worry. You're covered. It's at lower speeds where the 1M's torque makes it an overachiever.

...At least one recent magazine test showed the 1M to be about equal to 60 and the quarter mile (110 mph) as the M3. More torque, same suspension and brakes but less weight -- the 1M has quite a bit of appeal.

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I like my E90 M3 as a comfortable cruiser, but it is no rocket ship. You really have to work it hard to make it go fast.

I've never seen any traps as low as 110 for any M3, E90 or E92 6MT nor M-DCT. I have, however seen data for them trapping at 115. There really is no equity between these cars in the 1/4 mi, times nor traps. However, 0-60 is going to be a drivers race as Bruce alluded to just above.

By the way we have a very different definition of hard work. What an absolute delight the S65 is above 6k, I try to get there as often as possible.

If by "usually", you mean "fastest ever recorded", then you're correct.

That said, the M3 will typically have a higher trap speed than the 1M, essentially meaning that if you're out on the highway in your M3 and come across a stock 1M, not to worry. You're covered. It's at lower speeds where the 1M's torque makes it an overachiever.

Anyone with a M3 (myself included as I got my M3 around the same time as 1M's came out) can afford one. I got my M3 mostly because I want a compact high-revving racy V8 in a car that (is not bad to look at - subjective I know) can do it all even though I also have a 335i - so I know the 1M's motor intimately.