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02-12-2013 12:32 AM

Shaolin

You just don't get it. You know your dogs do not stay within their boundaries on a consistent basis, so why are you setting your dogs up for failure by giving them the opportunity to run? If your dogs were properly trained, then the section of the fence blowing down wouldn't have been a big deal. They would have stayed in their yard and it would've been fine. You should be able to open the gate, tell them to stay, and they stay where they are at until you release them.

Finn has only bolted once. I learned from it, we worked on it, and now he is rock solid. He knows exactly where his boundaries are and I could throw a ball just a foot too far and he won't get it unless I give him the command.

Owning a GSD is a HUGE responsibility that you seem to be taking very lightly, IMHO. GSDs are always looked at as the aggressor, no matter what happens. Your dogs are extremely lucky they aren't sitting in a shelter right now, scheduled to get the "pink stuff" in the morning because they are "problem dogs" especially the GSD. What your GSD does can affect what happens to other GSD owners in your area, or even reach further.

Please. Learn from this accident. Work with your dogs. Train them. Keep them from bolting. None of us want to see a post on the In Loving Memory section of the board with Yoschi's name and your other dogs' names on it because AC picked them up and they were destroyed, or they bolted and got run over, or a cop shot them because they were acting "aggressive" in his opinion. You need to accept responsibility for this and move forward.

02-11-2013 11:32 PM

selzer

Right Jag, I cannot prevent others from defending themselves or their property or the wildlife from my dogs. I can only prevent my dogs from being in harms way. That is my job. It is my job to protect my dogs by keeping them safe. I can't change the other guy. I can't keep the other guy from exaggerating or flat out lying. But I can keep my dog safe.

And once you have a report against your dog with animal control, they are going to be that less likely to believe your side of the story. So you can't afford to be careless. It is your dogs' LIVES you are protecting.

02-11-2013 11:30 PM

Jag

I'm out. Good luck.

02-11-2013 11:29 PM

msvette2u

Since you're still blaming the guy instead of yourself, you haven't "gotten" it yet.

I'm sorry you feel like we're 'piling on'. The reason you're hearing so much of the same is because that light has STILL not clicked on for you yet. The other dogs you had didn't effect *my* choice of dogs. I hate to be cold, but at the very least I'd like you to realize stuff like this effects the dogs of people here. Including mine. Things that can effect me personally I take even more interest in. Things that can effect my boy... well, I can get defensive about that. It sounds like you've had fencing issues that you've failed to learn from. A dog died.. because of improper fencing/supervision/restraint. Then you had a fence blow over (which says it wasn't strong enough for a GSD), then just weeks later you opened the gate without restraining your dogs when your attention was on something else. This is a pattern. What the dogs did or didn't do you don't know if you didn't examine the girl. You keep going back to what matters the least... what HE did. What matters the most is what YOU did and what you DIDN'T do. Who are you going to blame if they come to remove your shepherd? I'm very disappointed that you still don't get it. Do you know what most of us would have done in that situation? The outcome for your dogs would NOT have been good. I would have taken whatever means necessary. Including using my bow, turning Grim loose, a stick or bat... now think about the force a non-dog person would use. Stop saying the same excuses and blaming someone else and THINK.

The dog that died was 30yrs ago.... you're being a bit over dramatic... I've opened that gate hundreds of times,,, this was the first time they did this,,,they go to and from my truck daily without a leash and without incident,,, there is no pattern.... these aren't out of control dogs.... they are dogs behaving badly that are normally well behaved and decently trained

Ok guys and gals,,, now y'all are just piling on.... i grew up with dobermans and rottweillers ...i know exactly what it means to own a publicly demonised dog,,, I've also had a dog that dug out, got run over and killed,,, I get what it means to raise a naturally protective dog from puppyhood to old age....I also know the dangers of not containing dogs... there is nothing about any of what you all have mentioned that I do not respect and get..... not one of you can honestly say you've never had a dog bolt out a door.... it was much less than a full minute from the time they bolted until they were being loaded in my truck .... I am certain he called the police and they chose not to come out once they got the story,,,, but for him to TRY to falsely label my dog as a dog that did indeed actually attack a little girl just to get revenge at me for not containing my dogs is unforgivable!!! ... and for you people that mentioned my dogs "repeatedly" getting out.... there was only one other incident with a wind storm blowing down a section of fence.... and again, i say, not one of you have never had a dog make a break for it..... they only made it one and one half blocks from my house.... had the guy yelled at me about controlling my dogs, i would have been overly apologetic.... but before you accuse a dog of an "attack'" you better mean it....

I'm sorry you feel like we're 'piling on'. The reason you're hearing so much of the same is because that light has STILL not clicked on for you yet. The other dogs you had didn't effect *my* choice of dogs. I hate to be cold, but at the very least I'd like you to realize stuff like this effects the dogs of people here. Including mine. Things that can effect me personally I take even more interest in. Things that can effect my boy... well, I can get defensive about that. It sounds like you've had fencing issues that you've failed to learn from. A dog died.. because of improper fencing/supervision/restraint. Then you had a fence blow over (which says it wasn't strong enough for a GSD), then just weeks later you opened the gate without restraining your dogs when your attention was on something else. This is a pattern. What the dogs did or didn't do you don't know if you didn't examine the girl. You keep going back to what matters the least... what HE did. What matters the most is what YOU did and what you DIDN'T do. Who are you going to blame if they come to remove your shepherd? I'm very disappointed that you still don't get it. Do you know what most of us would have done in that situation? The outcome for your dogs would NOT have been good. I would have taken whatever means necessary. Including using my bow, turning Grim loose, a stick or bat... now think about the force a non-dog person would use. Stop saying the same excuses and blaming someone else and THINK.

Ok guys and gals,,, now y'all are just piling on.... i grew up with dobermans and rottweillers ...i know exactly what it means to own a publicly demonised dog,,, I've also had a dog that dug out, got run over and killed,,, I get what it means to raise a naturally protective dog from puppyhood to old age....I also know the dangers of not containing dogs... there is nothing about any of what you all have mentioned that I do not respect and get..... not one of you can honestly say you've never had a dog bolt out a door.... it was much less than a full minute from the time they bolted until they were being loaded in my truck .... I am certain he called the police and they chose not to come out once they got the story,,,, but for him to TRY to falsely label my dog as a dog that did indeed actually attack a little girl just to get revenge at me for not containing my dogs is unforgivable!!! ... and for you people that mentioned my dogs "repeatedly" getting out.... there was only one other incident with a wind storm blowing down a section of fence.... and again, i say, not one of you have never had a dog make a break for it..... they only made it one and one half blocks from my house.... had the guy yelled at me about controlling my dogs, i would have been overly apologetic.... but before you accuse a dog of an "attack'" you better mean it....

Well then you know, that it really doesn't matter what your dogs do, only what your dogs are perceived to be doing. Don't talk about containing your dogs, do it.

And no, I have never had a dog bolt out of a door or gate. One time, my first bitch, got out of her kennel while I was gone, and was missing for 19 days. I about died. I was fortunate to get her back and have never in the decade since then had a dog go AWOL. I have the kennels fenced around now. But I do let them out front to get to my car or to work in the drive with them.

My dogs go out the door and look for me to come with me. They go to my car. I have a 10 month old right now that has no training whatsoever, and I took her yesterday to my sister's about 75 miles away. I let she and Babs out of the back of the vehicle, no fence, no gate, I let them potty and then moved their crates to the back yard. There were deer running around out there. Hepsi started to investigate, I called her, and she came right to me. She was never there before. I took her out back in the woods with the little girls, and she was right with me. They want to be with me, not down the street. They do not bolt. If the go out of the gate the go to the car. If I go back in for something, they come back to the gate waiting for me to let them in, or come out with them. This is all my dogs, from my older trained dogs, to my younger ones that have no training at all, and whether they are alone, or if there are a couple of them. So no, I do not understand the running a block away before you can get them.

02-11-2013 11:10 PM

Mrs.K

What do you want us to say?

Get over it. Period!

That is all you can do. Get over it. Work your dogs and take it as a lesson learned.

02-11-2013 11:01 PM

Yoschi's_Pet_Human

Ok guys and gals,,, now y'all are just piling on.... i grew up with dobermans and rottweillers ...i know exactly what it means to own a publicly demonised dog,,, I've also had a dog that dug out, got run over and killed,,, I get what it means to raise a naturally protective dog from puppyhood to old age....I also know the dangers of not containing dogs... there is nothing about any of what you all have mentioned that I do not respect and get..... not one of you can honestly say you've never had a dog bolt out a door.... it was much less than a full minute from the time they bolted until they were being loaded in my truck .... I am certain he called the police and they chose not to come out once they got the story,,,, but for him to TRY to falsely label my dog as a dog that did indeed actually attack a little girl just to get revenge at me for not containing my dogs is unforgivable!!! ... and for you people that mentioned my dogs "repeatedly" getting out.... there was only one other incident with a wind storm blowing down a section of fence.... and again, i say, not one of you have never had a dog make a break for it..... they only made it one and one half blocks from my house.... had the guy yelled at me about controlling my dogs, i would have been overly apologetic.... but before you accuse a dog of an "attack'" you better mean it....

it's your SHEPHERD that's going to take the hits. A large portion of the population either knows someone that was attacked or bitten by a shepherd, or they've "heard stories". YOU have just created a 'story'. That ripple (and every other ripple) has consequences. Not just for YOUR shepherd, but for MY shepherd, and every single shepherd in the US...Every owner of this breed has to be very careful. The public at large doesn't generally see another dog when they see our dogs. They see a potentially dangerous dog. Please don't forget that.

Amen.

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