Am I love ?…please tell me how to make that or feel it a reality. Do I have to be SOUL CONSCIOUS to Feel that I am love??? Also it is just impossible to become AAP SAMAN unless I have had the same /exact experiences you have had to bring you in your present state .Why does the Murli say you have to make others aap saman also baap saman???How do I go about it?

There is no recipe for BEING Love. That is not something that a man can tell to another. Otherwise, only 1 book about becoming Love could have been necessary for the whole humanity, and there hasn’t been any yet, despite “best sellers.” Why did you add that it could be necessary to be soul conscious to be love? That has no meaning. If I say, “yes. It is necessary.” Your mind will be satisfied for that is an expected answer, but you will be unfulfilled. You will not know where to start. Love is for you to experience, when it comes in your path. This is not something to “achieve” or to “practice.” Just be AWARE when that happens.

That mentality of trying to “achieve” something spiritual or some virtue, is what needs to go away, for that very same “effort” to achieve is the greatest obstacle in experiencing it. WHY?

You have already an idea of what love should be. You want to achieve your idea of love and not allow for love to manifest to you according to what you ARE now.

As you pointed out, you cannot be equal to me, unless you had the same experiences. Thus, when BapDada tells his children to “make others similar to you,” he hasn’t been specific, so it is up to every child to figure that one out. Perhaps it just means to make a BK out of others. Maybe not. The potential for that phrase to be an ego-booster for every BK child is there, as most will believe that they are the “sample and the example,” (paraphrasing another BapDada’s phrase) for others to follow.

A BK child needs that (Kudos from Kudha) to be able to follow his ascetic Life style.

Similarly, BapDada gives a “goal” for the child to achieve: Be “equal to me.” (Bapsaman.) Even though, he knows that every BK child is “numberwise.”(According to gyan.) Some BKs believe that BapDada means to be “equal in his virtues,” but for most BapDada’s virtues are only seen on a video or when they go to Madhuban and see BapDada live. It is in a relationship, when you see someone in action, when you could appreciate those “virtues.” However, that is the experience of few BKs.

That is why the BK system relies on what a Dadi says or a senior, as they may have greater experience with BapDada. Of course, this is second hand knowledge. To talk about how loving BapDada is, will not change the way a BK child is. This BK child will try to copy the particular loving “action” that someone else described. Just so this child could be called “loving.” Nevertheless, before the action (DOING) there is BEING.

BapDada is love. A BK child may not be love, thus his actions even though the same as BapDada’s, will not make the BK child into Love.

Consequently, what truly matters is to be AWARE of who we ARE at every moment rather than “making effort” to copy someone else’s actions.

The Murli besides “giving gyan,” is meant to increase the BK follower self-esteem. It is meant to praise the BK child and to build his self-esteem, by making distinctions and separations; although it will increase the follower’s ego. But that is not bad at all, for ego only decreases once it has reached the utmost increase in size. As mentioned before, the BK system does an excellent job in that “increase,” that is why; it is an important journey of some seeker’s path. It was for me.

For the common good.

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Thanks for your love. And thanks for the knowledge of ( No I ) No I also makes me think of the beginning of my existence 🤔😊I didn’t have a choice to exist was there something or entity who wanted me the No I to become an I and exist or did I exist by coincidence 🤔 I have seen enough of this beautiful world and If the repeat cycle is true then there is nothing Unlimited. (&nothing new) so my priority is not to exist ever.Lets hope I didn’t exist by coincidence 🤔😊

They say, “Pahale Khud ko jaano, baad mey Khudaa ko jaano.” (Know about yourself first, and only then you may be able to know about God.) And i see the logic in that statement. It is like – we have to first learn to stand on our own feet properly before we could learn/ perform a dance.

Ok, Shrimat says that every kalpa repeats itself identically and even a minute/ small change can not happen in the drama script. This drama has repeated itself infinite number of times and its script is fixed second by second…. agreed? Any questions? 🙂

Shrimat says, “The part of 84 births is recorded in the soul.”

Every soul, every element, has its role/ roles predetermined in this eternal drama, is n’t it?

Even though we do not know what would happen in the next moment, actually there are no surprises, drama follows the karma theory meticulously and each and every moment in the drama has a firm basis, a concrete reason to unfold the scenes in a particular way.

According to shrimat – For ex: All my roles for a kalpa have already been fixed, each and every thought that triggers my words and actions are fixed, all my relations and friends of every birth in a kalpa are fixed irrespective of whether i am aware of them or not.

It is like I the soul am a cassette in which all my roles are recorded and when i am placed in a cassette player (body), my words and actions get expressed. Without a cassette player (body), i am dormant, can not act, and only when i take up a body according to the time in the drama script, do the roles that i have to play ‘get played through me’.

A cassette player can not take the credit of the songs that are being played through it as once the cassette is removed, the song stops. And the ‘cassette’ can not take the credit for the song that is being played from it as it was an ’empty cassette’ before the song was recorded on it. And only when it is placed in a cassette player and when it is switched on, will the songs be heard from the cassette. And the cassette can not change the songs/ speeches that are recorded in it on its own.

In the same way, the soul will not be able to change its role or its sanskars which are pre – recorded; the sanskars keep changing only according to the drama script and is not based on the person ‘making effort’ or not making effort as there are factors from the past which also add to the happenings of the present moment. And even those past actions were the result of the predestined drama. That is the reason why we see some very intense effort makers, despite decades of practising Raja yoga, failing miserably and a few other people getting quick results for their efforts.

In short – we the souls have no control over the roles that are being played through us. Our roles go through various experiences which take us through the eternal journey of constantly changing sanskars.

In other words, “I” am mechanically performing the same actions which “I” performed every kalpa and and am reaping the same fruits that are destined to happen. Yes, many times it feels as if we have taken a particular decision after meditating a lot about it… But if each moment in the drama is fixed, how could I have ever taken a ‘decision’ based on ‘my own’ judgement? Every so called judgement is predestined!

Whenever sakar Baba or Avyakt Baba was questioned about some senior BK leaving his/ her body ‘abruptly’, Baba used to give the same reply, “It is fixed in the drama, Baba can not change it.” If that is the case, (if Baba Himself can not change the destiny), how can we ever ‘change’ / ‘create’ our destiny by making or not making effort? Can the future/ drama be changed? Are n’t we performing actions accurately as is defined by the drama no matter what our intentions are??

How can we label a particular ‘soul/person’ good / bad when all that the person is doing is just obeying the drama script, knowingly or unknowingly? Actually, it is the other way round, it is not that he/she is performing the actions, it is the actions that are being carried out through him/ her; he/she is just a medium. 🙂

Shrimat says that Drama is benevolent. Baba, the Ocean of Knowledge, the Ocean of Love, says that He loves the Drama and that it is accurate.

Our moral standards, principles, customs, traditions, beliefs, etc. change from place to place and from time to time. We can not take any given belief as the global or eternal standard; Drama does not follow, does not work on the basis of man made rules and his beliefs, Drama follows its own course.

Though we may feel that we have made intense effort and have brought in certain changes… but in reality, those thoughts, the effort making, etc are all predetermined. Just sit back and check – are we ‘creating’ our thoughts, or, are they flowing through us spontaneously? Remember that those thoughts are the basis for our words and actions too. In the drama, it is not just the words and actions, even the thoughts which are the basis for them are predetermined.

For a long time we were under the impression that we can ‘change’ our lives, we ‘create’ our thoughts, etc. Actually, it is the other way, the soul is an empty pot which holds all its roles and the roles get expressed through us irrespective of our approval or disapproval.

Then who am “I”? I am a soul which has absolutely no control over its roles!

I am just a conveyor. Then, the questions of being a very elevated soul or a less elevated soul, or creating my fortune by making effort do not arise.

“Then what are we supposed to be doing?” – one may ask.

Baba tells us again and again, “Children, be a detached observer and perform actions; drama is predestined and is eternal and it repeats itself accurately every kalpa.”

Some incidents in the drama made me wonder initially as to why i was involved/ impressed by them till i understood the predetermined drama.

In my case, in this present role, according to drama – my father wrote my horoscope in a book when i was 6,7 year old and kept it safely in his shelf. Sometimes he did tell me a couple of points like – i would become very wealthy and very spiritual, but did not reveal anymore details.

i come from a lower middle class family and i was not at all religious, nor traditional, nor did i pursue any spiritual path till i was almost 40. So, at times i used to laugh whenever i remembered my father’s predictions.

When i was in my college, i happened to meet an astrologer who gave me some important details of my future. i was fascinated by his predictions but still laughed at them; my circumstances, life style, etc were nowhere any close to his predictions, nor did i try to make any effort to attain the things that he predicted; and with the passing of time, i almost forgot the whole incident.

But to my amazement, things just started to happen the way he told me, and i did marry a relative of mine as he predicted (who also came from a poor family), and i did become quite wealthy (by Indian standards) in a matter of few years as my husband got a very good job in an International organisation… .. but still, i was leading a very worldly life and was neither religious nor spiritual. Exactly as he predicted, my spiritual life started with a bang…i started to have visions of the angelic Brahma Baba in the year 1990 and eventually grew very close to him…In 1993 i happened to take the basic course… and then on my life has undergone enormous changes.

These experiences coupled with some experiences of my friends and relatives made me understand that the drama is predetermined which takes its own course without any conscious effort from our side. We are like a puppet and the drama makes it happen through us.

Brahma Baba also used to say that we are all bound by the drama including Shiv Baba.

Shiv Baba tells many times that He will not interfere in any one’s karma. But some BKs with their old sanskars of bhakti keep repeating, “Do not worry, Baba will help you, Baba will take care of you, Baba will change your husbad, etc.” And we have seen Brahma Baba, Mamma, quite a few seniors of the past and present suffering a lot from some illness or the other. If it was Baba’s duty/ role to help his children, He would have helped all the souls who were suffering.

Whatever we are going through at the moment is accurate and is beneficial..

Understanding the drama is a very very important factor in the subject of Raja Yoga. Knowledge of Drama is not mentioned in any scripture other than shrimat. So, let us understand and use this knowledge and develop a clear vision.

May you be knowledge-full and trikaldarshi and remain constantly happy and content by knowing every secret of the drama.

The children who are knowledge-full and trikaldarshi can never become upset (naaraaz). Even if someone defames or insults them, they would still remain happy (raazi) because those who understand every secret (raaz) of the drama cannot become unhappy. It is those who do not know the secrets who become unhappy. Therefore, always have this awareness: if you are not happy having become a child of God, the Father, then, when would you be happy? Those who are happy and content now are close to the Father and equal to Him.

Thank you for your article. It is very rational, convincing and it has your own experience in it to support your words. If you go deeper, you may see that even though you say “we” are conveyors or detached observers (As Baba said,) there is nothing to call “we.” There is the Drama and that “we” or “I” is part of it, not separated. The drop of water of the Ocean is not separated from the Ocean unless consciousness of that separation exists. In “reality” there is no drop of water. That is just a human perception.
Therefore, “we” already ARE what “we” ARE looking to achieve through spirituality, tapasya, rituals, pujas, etc. It is just that “we” are not CONSCIOUS of it.
That is the journey. From sleepiness to awaken-ness.
Until consciousness IS, we only have beliefs. “We” ARE not what we understand. thus, what is the utility of mental understanding of “spiritual” things?
Just to inspire. :-). I will post your article next Tuesday, before going on vacation on the 8th.

Dear Avyakt 7 NG, yes, an ocean is not created by adding drops of water, it has been existing eternally as one entity whether or not new drops of water got added to it from rains and rivers. There are many drops of water, but still, it is one ocean.

That sounds good as far as the ocean is concerned. But, we the poor souls are subjected to various pleasant and unpleasant experiences in life.. that does not look fair or lucrative. 🙂

Got your point, since all the ‘drops of water’ / souls are participants of one single drama called LIFE, we do not need to ‘work’ for achieving something or becoming something. The drama will automatically take us through various stages, and one day we may touch the “NO I” stage and then again slowly run into the “I” stage in the cycle of LIFE.

Whatever you may say, brother, life has not been that enjoyable these days for me.. 🙂

Funny drama, this one has no ‘delete’ button nor ‘fast forward’ button. And these churnings make me crazier. 😦

But there are some nice points too to feel nice about the drama though … i do not need to toil, do not need to achieve any thing; instead, ‘success’ will come to me on its own. 🙂

[“What is success?” – Being happy all the time. 🙂 ]

I know, some people may ask me whether i want to be an escapist and/ or lead a life of laziness and carelessness. But actually, if i really, completely believe in whatever i have shared till now, i could lead a very carefree life… i am still in the process of convincing my mind in different situations where i am at the ‘receiving end’. 🙂

*****like 😊Dear sweet soul your article made me churn a lot .according to the belief of the prerecorded cassette/drama all actors have to play their roles whether they like it or not and depends on the producer director and story writer of the drama who predetermines your role.Also to churn that a villain also has to get payed for his/her role.also I have to believe I am not responsible for the role I play for my role was already chosen.😊🤔 ….very convincing. 👍Thanks and Love. ……………..Om Shanti (*)

Sweet sister another thought entered my mind.First of all I came into existence as a pure Soul and did not force my self into existence.My earthly father did not make me for sure.What is that which gives me the role of 84 births or 72 births or 60,50,40-2-1 birth.If I was born in the house of a rich man or a religious man or a beggar or a thief my life would be shaped accordingly.Also I am pure when I first came into existence.(karma not yet started) and have to be given a role.On what basis is my role chosen.Could you or Avyakt 7 NG or any bk/ex bk reading this blog give me a suitable answer/advice. (*) …waiting for replies 🤔🤔🤔😊

Hi Joseph, it’s nice to know that there are few more souls like you who don’t want to exist ever, I too thought same after experiencing momentary “No-I”, but Ahnanda has advised me to find and confirm few things, he neither agrees nor he disagrees.

And regarding which role you get in the drama is mostly decided by the “efforts” you make according to Srimat of BKs, but those efforts are also predestined, basically you are not the “doer” MAY BE only an experience. Things are happening when you have the idea of “Doing” efforts, and NOTHING is happening if you are “NO-I”. But Drama is happening 🙂 Om shanti 🙂

Sweet brother as you say the role I get depends on the effort I make.🤔My effort also is based on the role I get.also remember I came into existence as a pure unbiased soul If I was given a role of 84 births my efforts would be different than if I am given one birth and the family I’m born in.My saying “Wah drama ” as bk gyan tells us is meaningless as the drama doesn’t have a writer.When my role is enjoyable my gratitude goes to the director and script writer of the DRAMA.😊😊😊

Dear Joseph, the knowledge of drama as thought in BK gyan is to bring the “No-Mind” to some extent, not completely though. There is one article by Ahnanda on this page on the same topic.

But let me ask you one question, did u not exist even before coming into existence, in the point of light form in the supreme abode, I think by exixtence you only mean the drama existing on earth, existence is beyond and unbounded, they have a lesson on three worlds shown within the boundary of egg shaped structure, is there anything beyond the boundary that they have shown!!

Well bro I am seeker now, I thought I have got that what I wanted with BKs, so seeking, what am I seeking, don’t know! perhaps enhancement of spiritual experiences 🙂
Om shanti 🙂
But just a suggestion, I used to debate a lot with people for topics on spirituality but that is just to prove your Ego higher than other person, so I don’t encourage debates for myself now 🙂

The other day, some one brought up the topic of ‘making effort’ / purusharth. Here are some points. Please share your experiences too. 🙂

What effort do we have to make?

A. Slowing down thoughts?

Some feel that we have to slow down our thoughts so that we could experience a higher level of consciousness.

Can we really slowdown our thoughts consciously? NO.

The speed and quality of our thoughts are based SOLELY on our current level of consciousness. And the level of consciousness can not be changed by ‘preaching’ the mind, or following certain disciplines, or by leading a disciplined life; our consciousness is quite subtle and can not be influenced by physical actions or moral teachings. It undergoes changes by going through certain deep experiences and realisations. Intellectual understanding of things alone can not change our consciousness.

When we check ourselves, we notice that we do not need to make any effort to ‘create thoughts’, but ‘ready made’ thoughts pass through our minds. 🙂

In other words, thoughts ‘get created’ / formed before they ‘enter’ the mind of the ROLE played through the soul. 🙂

Yes, sometimes we focus on our thoughts and try to ‘create’ new ones by using certain logic and ultimately get satisfied when we arrive at some decision/ thought. And from then on, again, we find the thoughts ‘flowing through our minds’ without us making any effort to create them or by observing them.

When we analyze the process, we realise that whatever ‘logic’ we have used for a few minutes to channelise our thoughts, it was also TOTALLY based on our level of consciousness.

And the so called ‘channelisation of thoughts’ using some sort of logic also had happened ‘spontaneously’ based on our level of consciousness and the ONLY extra component that was present in our ‘logical thinking’ was that we were conscious of the thoughts that were flowing through our mind. 🙂 The thoughts that flow through the mind/ soul are all PREDETERMINED in this predetermined drama.

How to do service with the mind?

Whatever level of consciousness we possess at any given point in time has its own level of vibrations. They spread in the atmosphere based on their capacity and intensity.

When we give sakash to any particular person, we are channelising / focusing our vibrations to that soul/ person. That is how the other person receives it more than anyone else and can even experience receiving the sakash. We can give sakash to many people too, but how much we could serve through the mind depends on the LEVEL / capacity of our consciousness.

The power of sakash does not depend on our desire to serve, nor on the pressure that we may apply on our mind to serve the world; but it depends on our stage, the level of our consciousness.

I had the opportunity to meet some senior BKs who could give us the experience of bodiless stage just by glancing at us even when they were doing some physical work. But quite a few of us have to prepare ourselves, get ready to stabilise our mind, be silent, then focus on some one, in order to give drishti/ sakash. 🙂

Can we bring changes in others and in the self by doing service with the mind (through manasaa seva)?

As explained earlier, our thoughts, words, and actions depend on the level of our consciousness at any given time. When a change occurs in the consciousness, there will certainly be a change in our thoughts, words, and actions. But it is not vice – versa. That is, of course we can not change our thoughts, they are ‘ready-made’, but by trying to change our words and actions we can not change the consciousness.

For example – we see some people who adhere strictly to their own religious beliefs, preach very good things everyday to students/ followers, lead a very pious life; but their sanskars remain the same even after many years of following a spiritual path. Why is it so? 🙂

Doing things can not change one’s sanskars or consciousness.

They may be very ardent lovers of GOD, but their love is exclusively reserved for God (and not for co human-beings) because they hope and believe that God would appreciate and acknowledge their love for Him and would help them in their hour of need.

And even teaching and preaching spirituality is done to attain blessings from God (thinking God would be happy with his/her ‘altruistic’ service), and also that they would get respect and adoration from the students/ followers.

But when we watch their behaviour, we notice that they continue to compete with others, get jealous, angry, arrogant, harsh, etc. even after many years of leading a spiritual life.

So, in spite of ‘doing’ so much Godly service and leading a rigorous religious life, performing very good actions, one’s consciousness does not change until and unless that person goes through a series of experiences and realises and understands the change that is needed in him. This could take a few months, years, or a life time.

Really nice and wonderful explanation sister 🙂
I recently became an OSHO lover, you might have heard about him, and I have mentioned him many times here on this blog, not for promoting him, but the closeness which you have felt for Brama Baba, I am currently feeling that for Master Osho, Rajneesh.

There is one lecture of him on “Witnessing”, where he explains that the day he was completely out of the body, he could witness this world as a mare “DRAMA” and nothing else. Well, a lot of problems from psychological prospective are gone from my life because of just this one understanding that “DRAMA is there, but “I” am not there, and when “I” am there, DRAMA is not there”. Thanks to Ahnanda too 🙂

Very rightly said sweet brother Dinesh🤔😊(we are sailing in the same boat)and bk is the part of the journey which is necessary but it is not the end “just take the best and ignore the rest🤔😊(I pictured myself like a donkey walking with a carrot tied in front of him with a stick tied to him)on the JOURNEY TO THE UNKNOWN. I get a juicy carrot which avyakt7 wrote/writes which encourages my walk in search of the UNLIMITED.(with EGO clinging to me as an invisible parasite 🤔😊😊😊 👍Love U 😊 and remembering Him (*) the good thing I learnt.🤔😊

I will start a little series labeled as: Misunderstood points in gyan. The purpose is to look at the same Murli point from a distinct perspective. This is necessary to have a deeper understanding of Brahma Kumaris gyan. Otherwise, a limited understanding means misinterpretation for Life and the Universe are greater than a particular perspective of a religion or ideology.

The typical way “numberwise” is interpreted in Brahma Kumaris is as follows: Every “soul” has a particular capacity, when compared with others, that will give a “soul” a particular ordinal number, a “ranking.”

In Brahma Kumaris, the most celebrated capacity is labeled as “purity.” Therefore, Brahma Baba (founder) is considered number “1” in purity. As a consequence, Brahma Baba will be the first emperor of the “Golden age.” (Narayan I- Krishna.) That is the belief.

In Brahma Kumaris, it is known that because Brahma Baba is the “first pure soul,” he will also be the “first impure.”

Note that the knowledge of polarity and duality is within that simple affirmation. However, the “churning” will stop there, as it is convenient to demonstrate to a follower, the importance of “making effort” to become “number 1,” or rather close to that number.

As it is said in Brahma Kumaris: “Position 1 and 2 are already taken (Brahma Baba and Mama who will be Krishna and Radhe respectively) but the other numbers are available…”

That affirmation gave place to infantile games: The top 8 souls. Who is number 3, 4,5,6,7,8?“Those souls will not get much “punishment” at the end,” it is said. “Punishment” is important for religions targeting beginners, in their seeking journey. Those souls will be Narayan 3 to 8 in the Golden Age. All of that is only entertainment for the mind, childish games and a little push for the ego to “become one of them.” It is easier to say “become #1” but this is not a matter of DOING things but on BEING it (embodiment) and that depends on where the individual is positioned, in his range of experiences in the cycle of time.

Of course, 8 was expanded to 16, 108, 1024, etc. the popular “rosary of victorious souls.”

In Life, numbers are non-existent. Thus, “Numberwise” cannot be. A “ranking” is a human belief which does not apply to Life. It is merely a “teaching tool” to give a mental carrot to a donkey, who is eager to become SOMEONE.

Observe that the “purity” of Brahma Kumaris “souls” are in direct proportion to their impurity. Following the belief, there cannot be a more impure soul than a Brahma Kumaris follower.

We can also discover that by following the BK belief, Brahma Baba started the impure world, followed by BKs. Why is the world “impure”? Because of BKs. The “tamopradhan world” is the creation of BKs. If this article is understood in its extent, it will be obvious to observe that anything that we believe to BE (pure, compassionate, angelic, etc.) it is certain that we have been or will be the opposite as well (impure, violent, evil, etc.) This is how the feeling of guilt started in our society. We want to pick one side of a coin only, knowing that it has 2.

In other words, there is the contrast in Life. There is duality; but there is no “numberwise.” That is a BK creation, which is necessary to enhance the sense of being “special;” but that is a necessary enhancing ego trip, to dissolve it.

For the common good.

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Om shanti brother. Trying for the hundredth time (??) to send my comments to this blog. For your information, your blog has become tamopradhan; it is choosy about the comments, it is not a detached observer, does not treat every comment with equanimity. 🙂

It seems accusing your blog has worked! 🙂 🙂 In the mean time i have forgotten what i wanted to say. 😦

Yes, i had those experiences too.. i was unaware of what was happening inside me ( the ‘spiritual’ ego building up) till i met a few people who were a sort of down to earth and who did better than I did while facing certain situations…. a revelation for me.

Yes, the “I” is quite deceptive.

Can i share a joke here? 🙂 My brother is a doctor and most of his close friends are doctors from the same hospital and i ‘know’ many of them. One day, while chatting with me, he was describing a friend as an ‘Eye specialist’. Later on, i realised that that particular person was an Engineer by profession.. and i got confused as to why my brother was calling him an ‘Eye specialist’. Then my dear brother explained to me that that Engineer friend has a lot of EGO hence is called an “I”- specialist.

So here am I with a query related to misunderstanding gyan points… your view point on same will really enhance my exploration 🙂
In the second lesson when they give the introduction of the father (Shiv Baba), they associate Gautam Bhudda and Mahavira as well in that lesson, claiming that they witnessed Shiv baba in their meditation, especially about Gautam Bhudda. Now my exploration of Bhuddism says that either Bhudda never spoke about God or he spoke just once or twice about God. He never claimed to find God or witness God in his meditation. Can you please share your view point on this thing and comment on Gautam Bhudda’s view on God as well. Thanks for sharing your wisdom to enhance our journey 🙂

That is a question worth asking. There are many “reasons” such as: 1. Because my parents were BK 2. Because I had experiences with Brahma Baba. 3. Because I love Brahma Baba 4. Because I love the Dadis. 4. Because I believe that God is with the BKs and I want to get “salvation” and a good “status.” 5. Because I like their values and teachings. 6. Because I like the company of spiritual people. 7. Because God has chosen me.

Of course, there may be many other “reasons.” But that is not the “why.” If we look closely, Brahma Kumaris is a path for self-transformation. Unless a follower is willing to accept that path fully, with all its flaws and merits; that follower is not truly a BK.

Yes, he may be called “numberwise” and his company may be accepted, but it is important to notice that the purpose of that path is to change who you ARE, not for “you” to dictate the extent of what you want to be changed.

Brahma Kumaris has a hierarchy. It has a system. Anyone who thinks and plays with ideas which are not contained in their system, is by definition; out of the system. That is the path.

There cannot be an “Open minded BK.”

The structure, the strict flavor of the BK path is the first wall that most followers want to “soften” in a “subtle way.”

That rigidity is meant to put someone in a blender without escape. Definitely, “you” will be someone else after a few years, not necessarily what “you” believed that “you” will become.

As the collective consciousness, the masses “rule” in our society, Brahma Kumaris is forced to change its structure if it is to survive, for there cannot be a religious system with only 5 followers. Brahma Kumaris is a system primarily for the masses.

Why would you give up your life style to accommodate for a new one such as BK? The “why” is that this will make “you” better, elevated, angelic, a king, etc. SOMEONE. That promise is what drives followers to follow.

A neophyte will look into this as a way to “get more things,” as a way to decorate the “self” into something that will make ME look “good” in front of everyone. That is the dream. The “reality” may be that this path when fully followed, will take away who you are, what you have, what you thought you could be. That is a disaster to be feared by the common man who only wants layers of things in top of what he already got. That is what he sees as “becoming better.”

Paradoxically, those who stick around for a long time, those who are willing to give everything they have for the “yagya,” build their self-value, their self-esteem on that self-denial. The reward is a position (whether administrative or high esteem, psychological boost) in the BK hierarchy which makes a life style parallel to mainstream society.

Decorating the self or denying it, will take us eventually to the same place which is to strengthen the “I.”

So what is the value in this path? The value is in the experiences that this path will bring. The different agents that will play out in self change.

This change cannot be controlled by the “I” to go in a particular way. The change will go according to our destiny.

That is why in the world there are so many paths, so many systems and methods; but destiny cannot be controlled by none of them.

That is the predicament of the “I” trying to change itself. The promise that may not be fulfilled.

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Om shanti. Yes brother, there is not much scope for independent thinking in BKs; any deviation from the mainstream thinking is not appreciated.

In my case, I am a BK though I do not follow many maryadas which I used to follow in my early BK days. On those grounds I may not be considered as a Pucca BK. But there were many ‘take aways’ from my BK life. And more than anything, i had very deep spiritual experiences with Brahma Baba and he remains a very close friend of mine till today.

You have your ‘Mathias’, so you can understand how I feel about Brahma Baba. 🙂

By understanding the significance of which aspect do you children not ask for peace or happiness?
Answer:
You understand the significance of the drama. You understand that the play is now about to end. You will first return to the land of peace and then go to the land of happiness. This is why you do not ask for peace or happiness. You stabilise yourselves in your original religion of peace. People do not even know about the religion of the self nor do they understand the significance of the drama. This is why they say, “Give peace to my mind!” In fact, it is the soul that needs peace, not the mind.

Going deeper into Gyan is a matter of taking the conditioning of being a Brahma Kumaris actor, out of the “knowledge.” Why? Because that conditioning creates a bias. Sakar Murlis look at the Drama as if it was “made” for Brahma Kumaris followers.

The idea of “status” is so ingrained in Indian mentality, due to the conditioning of their own social class system. This conditioning will color the way Gyan is interpreted.

Please be aware of this: Life does not work to fit human understanding. It doesn’t follow human social conditioning. Therefore, the more we define ourselves as “good,” “BK,” “ancestral soul,” “Deity,”etc. Our views and understanding will be deeply influenced by the color of those lenses.

That is how “numberwise” appeared. It is only a cheering phrase to establish a difference between a Brahma Kumaris adherent and the rest of the world.

A soul comes at a particular time in the cycle. That time is when that soul will experience fullness. Thus, to call that “Golden age” or “Iron age” is of no consequence for that soul; for the expression of fullness is what matters to that soul. After that, in subsequent births, that fullness will diminish through Life’s experiences. Something that was full, must be empty. Once empty, it will need to be full. That is the song to remember about the Drama, Life.

Fullness or emptiness is not contingent on the “I” to change. It just happens as the experiences arrive.

Therefore, where is that “numberwise” idea? Nowhere. Many times, it was explained like that for it was an aid to explain the complexity of the Drama, but that aid may become a source of ego later on. What are some points to check? To divide the cycle of time in 4 or 5 “yugas.” That is non-existent. The Drama is a continuous, a process from fullness to emptiness; which will be experienced by different souls at different levels, at different times according to their roles. A role does not imply “capacity.” That is another addition. Capacity for what? “Reality” is according to our consciousness, and our consciousness cannot be changed by DOING things. It changes through Life experiences. That is how we should rest assured that we are “safe” in this Drama/Life.

In short, “numberwise” and “capacity” of the soul, are additions to Gyan to make a point: Brahma Kumaris souls are “better” than the rest. That is a source of pride, ego. Consequently, my statement that the Brahma Kumaris experience was necessary to enlarge my ego, so it could start its process of dissolution.

We could observe that “better,” exists because there is “numberwise,” and “numberwise” exists because there is “capacity of the soul.” If we understand Life; the knowledge of the Drama; we could see that those words only add separation, a fictitious status to a play, which is a game of different actors. A game does not require those labels for otherwise, the fun, the enjoyment is taken away in pursuit of the ideal of the ” I” to become “better,” to have a “better status.” That is a true Maya.

We are all one. How could this be explained through BK knowledge? By understanding the Cycle of Time. The cycle of time encompasses everything that exists in a repetitive fashion.

We are told to be actors. Actors have a role to play. In Life, the roles play through “us.” There is a difference.

The “soul” is sentient emptiness. The soul will feel according to the role “being played.” Those roles are not depending on the “actions” of the soul. No! Those roles are already fabricated to allow for the eternal “Drama,” to recycle. Thus, those roles need to be expressed in the physical realm, but are not depending on a particular individual. Nothing “personal.”It is not the “I” choosing to DO a particular action. It may look like that, but because the Drama is eternally repetitive, there is no opportunity to change anything at all. Thus the paradox: “I think I am choosing in my limited reality; but in the unlimited; “ I” am not.

Therefore, how is it possible for the knowledge of being numberwise “according to effort” to arise? The cycle of time is a story. All roles need to be played as they are. All roles are necessary in the unlimited movie. Where does numberwise fits in? Nowhere.

However, how could someone who cannot realize the “deep knowledge” of “no-I” and being ONE with everything; be inspired to “be better” ? By creating numberwise. Then, the “I” needs to “make effort,” to reach Paradise or to be a King in the Golden age.

Then, it is all up to you! Then, it is your “choice.” Then, you “win or lose” according to your will. “You” have control. Don’t you like that? The ego, the “I” likes that “choice” very much.

“God” speaks at this level of consciousness.

However, in another level; there is no such static entity as “I” at any point in the Drama, but only in most minds, the ego driven mind.

Think of it in this way: “You” (the physical/subtle manifestation) are the hardware. The software is the Drama, running through you as “1 person/hardware license,” which is a role for one lifetime. That software is designed to DO things, which the mind believes to be “me” DOING. That DOING is necessary for the Totality. Next Lifetime experienced by the same soul, will be a complete new software for the new hardware, although a continuation of many aspects from the previous “software release. “

That “software” is known as consciousness when referring to one person. But is is known as the “Drama” when it refers to all sentient beings.

Your understanding or misunderstanding of this, will depend on your role at this time… but all is good and necessary as it is.

Please can you also share on ” Number Wise, following Shrimat and Effort” please??? Thank you bro!

Great questions! Let us say that you had a vision. You saw beautiful people with innocent faces and well dressed up, enjoying a “Paradise” like setting. A few days later, you saw a picture of the “Golden Age” by the Brahma Kumaris.

Observe the experience and the assumptions of the mind. What are the typical assumptions? 1. What Brahma Kumaris teaches must be true, because “I” had that experience. 2. “I” will go to that “Paradise,” for otherwise; “I” wouldn’t have had that experience. “I” need to find out what Brahma Kumaris teaches. In those assumptions, observe how heavily involved the “I” is. This is important, because everything else in your path will be built upon the confirmation of “your” experience. The “I” becomes the center of attention.

How do “I” go to that “Paradise”? By following Shrimat now. The “elevated directions.” “You” are not worth of “Paradise” now, but when you die and after following Shrimat, you will be… There are lots of “DOING” for that “I” to DO now, to accomplish his objective in the “after Life.”

“Shrimat” could be given by God (As understood by BK philosophy) or could be given by human beings (higher ranking in the organization as “instruments” of God.) That is where “Shrimat” gets tricky. Nevertheless, the “I” will follow those directions hoping to “achieve” a “higher status,” to BECOME (extension of the “I”) someone else, an ideal.

Where do those “elevated directions” come from? In the belief that a “deity” or an “elevated person” behaves in a particular way. For instance: “Buddha” was vegetarian. Therefore, to be “like him,” I must be vegetarian. Buddha didn’t have sex; thus I should follow him. Buddha woke up at 3 AM every day, thus “I” should DO that as well, “make that effort.”

The “problem” with this approach is that “I” will act as someone who is not “Me” now. That is what I call, being dishonest, lying to yourself. I will not observe who I AM NOW, but rather work towards an ideal. Let us forget completely about the process, what matters is to DO these things now for otherwise “I” will miss a “high status,””Paradise.” Buddha had his own process before getting where he was. For him, it was “natural” for you it is “effort.” That is the big difference.

“I” cannot wait. “I” want to be like him “now.” That is greed. Therefore, Shrimat and effort. “Here are a set of commandments or directions. Follow them, and you will get there…” you are told and you believe it. Then comes another belief: “Those who practice those things closely over a long period of time, are the ones who will obtain the highest status. Those who do not, will obtain a lower status.” Thus, the concept of “numberwise” is invented out of your greed to have a “high status” and with that the idea of “making effort” to get there appears. By the way, this concept of “making effort” is not consistent with another concept: “The Drama is predestined.” It is not “your effort” anymore but it is what is already “written.” The “I” can only DO as much as his role will allow. True, you don’t know how much, but forget about “your” effort. If you go into this alone, you will discover a lot of things about that “I.”

In my experience, there is no “DOING” that could change the consciousness of a person to BE someone different. Living Life experiences will change consciousness by itself. But the “I” is not ready to accept those teachings of Life. It has to be what the “I” have learned through a philosophy. The “I” wants to “control” destiny. The “I” wants to make sure that there are no “mistakes.” Thus, fear appears and with that guilt and shame. Paradoxically, with those emotions, the “I” cannot be a deity, an angel or anything “elevated.”

“Practice over a long period of time” could lead into great repression, which is interpreted as “fighting against your evil side” and then the mind assumes that to be a “martyr,” a signal of being “good.”

Observe the assumptions. Observe how the “I” is enticed by an ideal, completely overlooking his current state.

Nevertheless and paradoxically, to “follow shrimat,” whatever it is; is beneficial as long as we are AWARE of the feelings that it brings and that we are honest with them. If someone wants to “fight it” for a long period of time, then that person will suffer and “karma” will be accordingly. Suffering is a way to feel that ego, which otherwise we could be unaware of.

That is why in my experience, the Brahma Kumaris path is a path to increase ego. That is very good indeed! for unless the ego is not ripe enough, someone is not ready to dissolve it.

Thus, concepts such as “numberwise,” “making effort,” and “shrimat,” are part of that method to increase ego.

“Look: I woke up every day for the last 20 years at 3:30 AM to DO Amrit Vela without missing a day.” “Look: I opened (DOING) so many centers for Baba. I gave Gyan to 5000 people.” “God has chosen me. I am especial.” “ I am an angel, a deity, an ocean of knowledge…”

Observe all the ways to increase that ego. Observe the system underneath; made for the ego to accomplish things, to be close to God, to become a Golden age deity, to become this or that, higher, elevated, pure, etc… Just observe.

For the common good.

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My point of view is ego is less to do with materialistic or so called spiritual attainments..its more of a characteristic of a soul.. what i mean is if someone has the tendency to be egoistic he can be egoistic both in spiritual life or worldly life..Though i have my personal grudges against brahmakumaris but i still feel its not the gyan which increases the ego of a bk..
it is the already present ego in them which was earlier thriving on material possessions and now on the so called spiritual life..
the object on which ego thrives has changed…but ego was already there..
If external things be it worldy or spirutual were the food of ego, then how at times we see someone having all attainments but still very humble or someone having very less but still full of ego..

Ego can be very subtle..say if someone disagrees with me, i feel hurt , this is ego..

If someone comes with a sharper analysis, i dislike it, this is ego…

I was at the receiving end of the egoes of brahmakumari teachers and others..
But my faith in bk continues because it is established by someone who is absolutly egoless..and
he or it is god..

Ego is absolutely fascinating ! I think you are interpreting ‘Ego’ as just ‘Pride’ or ‘ahankar’ in hindi.But Ego is more like the feeling that we carry that ‘We’ exist as a separate identity from rest of the universe.It’s very subtle and I don’t know if it can ever be overcome ,probably can be understood.It’s difficult to understand it if one doesn’t have had any experience,words cannot do justice.On Avaykt7’s stating that Bk’s increase the ego..is the way of most spiritual paths work…so that once it reaches to a level we can no longer take it and we awaken to the reality that we are God himself or rather one with God and everything…
A lot of what I have written I am myself trying to understand,experiment probably but you can listen to Alan Watts on youtube….who explains this and other concepts beautifully…
Below is one such link :

Thank you for your link! I am familiar with Alan Watts and his understanding of Zen. He is an example of someone who takes what is supposed to be experienced as intellectual discernment.

In your link, Watts points out the futility of suffering. There is a misunderstanding of it. The follower who suffers on purpose through physical or emotional pain, believing to burn his sins or his ego or the intellectuals like Alan Watts, who even though have suffered in his own life, he does not realize it… but it is easy to see the suffering of the religious follower with his beliefs, ideas to get mukti, heaven, etc.

Suffering is the method that Life has to dissolve ego. It is not the method that a religion will give you, it is in the awareness brought to you by Life itself. In that awareness there is the understanding of the ego that you are trying to figure out. It is an experience that cannot be given to another man. You must go through it yourself, when the time is ripe.

Agree to most of what you say here…we all know ‘the truth’ cannot be spoken but still discuss it because we find it fascinating, probably our role in the drama 🙂
Just like to say on the statement “or the intellectuals like Alan Watts, who even though have suffered in his own life, he does not realize it” ….its not that Alan watts didn’t realize that he suffered too…….for him happiness/ suffering go together…all opposites go together….the ‘I’ cannot choose one over another….Though watts indeed takes ‘spirituality’ as intellectual discernment but it is based on his genuine so called ‘special’ experiences …which shines through in his talks though his tone can be mundane, humorous and secular…that’s his beauty….

If suffering and happiness go together, then why make fun of those who “choose”to suffer to gain Mukti? That suffering is their happiness. They could have chosen “happiness” but that would have been their suffering… There is a point where intellectual stuff becomes so unnecessary….

Watts is not making fun of anyone. He uses contrasts and accentuates it to bring across a point because we understand things only by way of contrasts…
In his words “There will always be suffering. But we must not suffer over the suffering “…which typically happens with people interested in’spirituality’.. Anyways not my intention to make you a fan of watts 🙂