FelixG:People need GTA about as much as they need 30 round magazines. They really dont need either, but both are fun to have!

Granted. BUT the 30 round gun can put up to 30 holes in people without reloading. GTA can't .... unless you fire it out of some sort of very high velocity cannon... TO THE LAB! *science montage*

*End of the montage*

Look what you did! Are you happy now?!

and Southpark called it, you guys are planning to send the redcoats back!

*OPENS DOOR* FUS ROH DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha. Also, "30 rounds and GTA aren't necessary but fun to have?" Seriously. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Without getting too emotionally invested, you sure paid a hell of a price in the last few years for the privilege of owning a high capacity magazine. I'm sure that's a comfort to the families of the victims.....

Falsename: Also, "30 rounds and GTA aren't necessary but fun to have?" Seriously. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Without getting too emotionally invested, you sure paid a hell of a price in the last few years for the privilege of owning a high capacity magazine. I'm sure that's a comfort to the families of the victims.....

Well son, if that is the worst thing you have ever heard the world is going to stomp all over you and your sensibilities, because there are a few, not many, but a few people worse than me out there. ~.^

And I feel no need to comfort the families, because its not the guns fault, just like its not a hammers fault when you hit your thumb with it, or the cars fault when a drunk driver takes someone out. Its the mind behind the object that is to be blamed not the object itself, without the mind the object has no action, you cant just lay a gun on a table or point a car at someone and yell "KILL" and expect it to jump to obey..

An insane sick in the head person would find a way to kill lots of people even if there were no guns. You could make a bomb at home-depot that would kill MORE people and cost less than your average handgun.

Oh please, that's the same arguement I keep hearing. Look at the statistics, compare your country with others of a similar population. The massacres in your country are more than any other, because you have weapons. And it's the availability of weapons that allows these things to happen.

Give a sick person the means to commit attrocities and they'll do it, as you said. But making guns easier to obtain most certainly doesn't help.

And let's say you're right and that sick people would only use other weapons of destruction..... why not take guns away anyway? What do you lose?

It's not a question of your country being defenseless against crime and other examples. It's children not wanting to give up their play things. My advice would be to grow up and join the rest of the world. Abolish firearms, which will be hard to do given how engraved they are with your culture, but for your children's sake I suggest you make the right decision.

You can't argue with facts, and the facts state that guns give people the means to kill. If you want guns because "sick people will just kill anyway" then you're ignorant. Join the rest of the world.

Whats needed is a little well thought out ideas from those elected to represent us. No one needs assault weponry, and no one needs concealable weapons. Shotguns and rifles are certainly useful for hunting/home protection and anyone owning a gun should need a license, to get this licence you should be signed off by two psychologists as being mentally fit and the police should be able to make regular visits to make sure the gun/s (limited number of weapons allowed per houshold) are properly secured. Also ammo should be made extemely expensive and highly taxed to help fund this regulation and people will be limited in how much they buy. Oh and that gun licence will expire after 12 months so you'll need to renew it.

2012 Wont Happen:Neither guns or games should be banned, but I see his reasoning. Guns save more lives than they take in the US. They are used thousands of times every day to protect innocents.

Grand Theft Auto is just violent entertainment. It's violent entertainment that I have a damn fun time with, but that is what it is.

But that's not true. I (THINK) that there in about 1.5 percent of gun related crime, a citizen with a gun saves the day. That is an absolutely tiny number, and far more people are killed due to nuts with guns.

I don't know about you but I've never seen ( or heard of ) a gun ( digital or otherwise ) killing anyone on its own. Ok this is just plain STUPID. One side blames VIDEO GAMES , another blames GUNS , And some blame the MEDIA. Just seems to me that it would be LOGICAL to blame the ACTUAL PEOPLE AT FAULT instead of everybody else. Um heres a some what odd idea HOW ABOUT WE BLAME THE SHOOTER. Or maybe just maybe we blame THE MOTHER OF THE SHOOTER THAT KNEW OF HIS MENTAL ISSUES.

The Funny thing is Game studios are now raking in more money then movies and music put together there no longer those childish things these senators seem to think thy are the industry needs to take the gloves up and start buyying theire own senators witch thy can do and many more then the nra can o i dint mean buy but you know trow money at lobyists and basicly endors campaings fund you know the way you buy sentors legaly

Standing on stage I have in my hand a controller. I announce I'm pulling the trigger and someone on screen dies. Then I pull out the same real version of the firearm used in game. I announce that I'm pulling the trigger and some NRA representative is shot in the shoulder. I then ask the audience which is more dangerous. Unfortunately, I'm not the leader of my own dictatorship so educating people in this manner doesn't exist and rightly so. But it still doesn't take a genius to know that if NRA representatives got shot then maybe then they'd see why assault rifles (at the very least) should be banned and violence should be kept in video games and away from fellow human beings.

So easy access to weapons and mental health problems isnt the problem, its video games thats the real reason. Ok, so when GTA5 is released i expect thousands of nutcases shooting up schools and malls and everything else. I bet more people have killed in the name of religion, relationship issues, road rage or a plain "you spilt my drink" attitude.

I dont get the whole attitude with some americans. Gun control doesnt mean ban. If you are a responsible person, have no mental issues, criminal background then you have nothing to worry about. Its like people in the UK bitching about speed cameras, if you dont speed aka break the law, then you have nothing to worry about. lol

Actually, the shock and impact of the bullet puncturing the body and severing nerves and blood vessels sustaining the ecosystem that keeps the subject alive kills them, not the bullet. The bullet may instigate this phenomena, but it needs to be explosively discharged, usually through a hollowed out tube, to perform this task. This tube is mounted on a frame which houses a mechanism to discharge the bullet through the tube, which when properly aimed, is directed towards the target and causes said rupturing of blood vessels and severs the aforementioned nerves on impact. Whether it kills the subject is highly situational and dependent on where the bullet enters: the puncturing of a place like the skull will more likely kill the subject than the puncturing of an arm. It's possible to survive either if treated correctly: most of the time however, the subject will suffer from a hemorrhage and die before treatment can be provided in the headshot case.

One more thing: I'm not one of those hippie types either: I own a personal sidearm by necessity due to the fact that I live in a bad neighborhood. Knowing how to own, operate, and store such things responsibly is key to preventing incidents like the Connecticut case from happening again.

I guess that we're both right, seeing as the bullet still 'kills' the person by enacting destruction on vital bodily systems. But the bullet must be launched from a gun. And the gun must be operated by a human. Ergo, all three kill people.

Man, you're both soooooooo wrongREASONS kill people......What? Don't stare at me like I'm insane.I don't need a gun or any weapon at all to kill another person.I just need a really good reason.

P.S. Or one could say that people kill people. It's also true.P.P.S. I know how to solve mass shooting problem. LET'S BAN PEOPLE!!!

The police in the US don't have to do a thing to protect you. They can legally sit by and watch you get murdered thanks to some court cases. They also are not required to enforce a restraining order or respond to a 911 call.

2012 Wont Happen:Neither guns or games should be banned, but I see his reasoning. Guns save more lives than they take in the US. They are used thousands of times every day to protect innocents.

Grand Theft Auto is just violent entertainment. It's violent entertainment that I have a damn fun time with, but that is what it is.

But that's not true. I (THINK) that there in about 1.5 percent of gun related crime, a citizen with a gun saves the day. That is an absolutely tiny number, and far more people are killed due to nuts with guns.

I can't find a more recent statistic, but in 1995 it was found that guns were used in self defense 2.5 million times per year on average in the United States by a study called "The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun" by Professors of Criminology Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz.

Those statistics aren't likely entirely correct today, and I have heard complaints that it has a bit of a broad definition of defensive use, but unless those discrepancies drop defensive use from millions to less than 11,000 then guns are used defensively much more often than offensively as around 11,000 die from guns every year. You'll note this is vastly less people than who die from car accidents, tobacco, alcohol, obesity, preventable disease, ect.

Then there is the fact that it is very easy to get illegal things. I have illegal plant matter within a few feet of me in a drawer. If I so wanted I could get access to just about any illegal thing that exists with a couple phone calls. Criminals will be able to get guns. It might take a little longer, but they'll have them (and it will be easier for underage people to get guns as criminal suppliers don't card). In the long run, the question to ask before deciding whether to outlaw or keep a gun is this - do you want to give criminals a monopoly on deadly force? There are more criminals than there are police, but there are more law abiding citizens than there are criminals. Why not take advantage of the numbers provided by allowing citizens to be armed legally?

Aikayai:But it still doesn't take a genius to know that if NRA representatives got shot then maybe then they'd see why assault rifles (at the very least) should be banned and violence should be kept in video games and away from fellow human beings.

Probably not, because if you shot at someone in the NRA they would use a gun to defend themselves, and probably drop you before you actually fired off a shot that hit them at all (considering that you're anti-gun, I doubt you've trained accuracy much), because that's what happens when you try to shoot a citizen with a concealed carry license and training with his firearm - you take your rightful place six feet under for your efforts.

Some of these guys still think its the 90's and that video games make an easy scape goat. That is just not true today like it was 10 years ago.

WoW players are getting elected to public office. The average age of gamers is somewhere in the 30's. More people play games today, across a wider section of society, than ever before. You don't see anyone calling out violent books, and violent movies and TV shows are rarely called out.

This scapegoating means nothing, will go nowhere, and just makes the elected official who spouts them look like a dumbass.

And let's say you're right and that sick people would only use other weapons of destruction..... why not take guns away anyway? What do you lose?

I lose an effective means to protect myself.

If you want guns because "sick people will just kill anyway" then you're ignorant. Join the rest of the world.

A firearm saved my life. If it weren't for guns, I wouldn't be able to join the rest of the world at all.

All you need to do is compare other countries with stricter gun control to yours and you'll know that you're wrong. There's no two ways about it, this isn't one opinion vs another, you are wrong.

Other countries don't need guns for the populace to feel safe, America simply has a love affair with firearms and they're not willing to let go of them.

If a child in the playground is throwing rocks, the solution isn't to give the other children rocks aswell.

Sure, there might be a very small number of people who managed to use a gun in the appropriate way, but that wouldn't even compare to the numbers of incidents that just wouldn't have happened outright. Prevention is a more effective tool that any gun.

All you need to do is compare other countries with stricter gun control to yours and you'll know that you're wrong.

No, I'm not. If I didn't have access to a firearm, I'd be dead. The person I held at gunpoint even said it straight up when questioned, he was going to kill me.

Sure, there might be a very small number of people who managed to use a gun in the appropriate way

and what do you have to say to us?

Sorry but you're wrong. Statistically proven.

This is my life I'm talking about. If it makes me biased, so be it. I'm alive because I was legally allowed to use a firearm as a private citizen. All the stats in the world don't change that anymore than my one poor little pitiful life changes a statistic.

All you need to do is compare other countries with stricter gun control to yours and you'll know that you're wrong.

No, I'm not. If I didn't have access to a firearm, I'd be dead. The person I held at gunpoint even said it straight up when questioned, he was going to kill me.

Sure, there might be a very small number of people who managed to use a gun in the appropriate way

and what do you have to say to us?

Sorry but you're wrong. Statistically proven.

This is my life I'm talking about. If it makes me biased, so be it. I'm alive because I was legally allowed to use a firearm as a private citizen. All the stats in the world don't change that anymore than my one poor little pitiful life changes a statistic.

Try not to take what I say now too personally.

See things from a wider perspective than yourself. You saved yourself from a man with a screwdriver, congratulation, but the accessibility of guns also allowed a certain someone to go an a massacre at a school.

Consider two options:1. Is a a world where you have a gun to protect yourself and you did in fact save yourself from screwdriver weilding menaces, but there are also mentally disturbed people/extremists/gangs and other unsavoury people with just as much access to weapons. One even more powerful that what you used to defend yourself.

2. Is a world where guns are far less accessible. All those rather questionable people don't have guns, but neither do good people such as yourself. Maybe you were robbed and killed, maybe you weren't. You can never tell with how a situation will play out if indeed it's factual.

I know which option I'd take.

The easy access you have to firearms is exactly what lead to the recent horrific incident in your country. It's a 'for the greater good' thing than 'I wanna protect myself'. There are other ways to protect yourself after all.

Don't take what I've said as a personal jab at you, it's not. It's trying to show you the wider view of the rest of the world than just how guns affect you and make you feel safe.

The whole "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" phrase is false. People do kill people because they HAVE easy access to firearms. And just because you use that easy access for your own defense that sure as hell doesn't mean that's what everyone else is doing.

And let's say you're right and that sick people would only use other weapons of destruction..... why not take guns away anyway? What do you lose?

I lose an effective means to protect myself.

If you want guns because "sick people will just kill anyway" then you're ignorant. Join the rest of the world.

A firearm saved my life. If it weren't for guns, I wouldn't be able to join the rest of the world at all.

All you need to do is compare other countries with stricter gun control to yours and you'll know that you're wrong. There's no two ways about it, this isn't one opinion vs another, you are wrong.

Like Norway? They have some darns strict gun policies, surely that means they never have some nut with a gun go on a rampage OH WAIT it did and he killed more people than we did in the mass shootings the US had in the past 2 years combined. That was one guy with illegally acquired arms, IEDs, and a whole boat of crazy.

A firearm saved my life. If it weren't for guns, I wouldn't be able to join the rest of the world at all.

All you need to do is compare other countries with stricter gun control to yours and you'll know that you're wrong. There's no two ways about it, this isn't one opinion vs another, you are wrong.

Like Norway? They have some darns strict gun policies, surely that means they never have some nut with a gun go on a rampage OH WAIT it did and he killed more people than we did in the mass shootings the US had in the past 2 years combined. That was one guy with illegally acquired arms, IEDs, and a whole boat of crazy.

Saying it doesn't happen is a bit of a desperate attempt to win an argument. No one can say with certainty what will or won't happen.

But you can't tell me that ALLOWING that crazy person access to guns would have HELPED the situation!

And no don't say that "someone else with a gun could have taken him down first" because that's not a well thought rebuttle. That's a condition Americans (sorry to play on a stereotype) have that they want to be a hero and save the day. Guns kill, they don't save.

2. Maybe you were robbed and killed, maybe you weren't. You can never tell with how a situation will play out if indeed it's factual.

The easy access you have to firearms is exactly what lead to the recent horrific incident in your country.

Funny, here I thought it was because someone who wasn't getting near the help he needed to adjust with life stole his mothers guns and decided to get back at his mother indirectly through children.

There are other ways to protect yourself after all.

I'm 102 pounds, one leg that doesn't work right and never will.

Do explain how I'm meant to punch people out or how smart it would be to get right up against them and PRAY that the pepper spray and taser works?

Also add in that the police aren't required to do shit to help me. No cops. No firearm option.

Don't take what I've said as a personal jab at you, it's not. It's trying to show you the wider view of the rest of the world than just how guns affect you and make you feel safe.

And you know what? The only reason I can even think about it at all is because of a firearm.

The whole "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" phrase is false. People do kill people because they HAVE easy access to firearms. And just because you use that easy access for your own defense that sure as hell doesn't mean that's what everyone else is doing.

I'll have my firearms regardless. Any authority that wants them, well, cliche as it is, can take it from my small, cold, dead hands. I am not leaving myself vulnerable so people like you in an ivory tower can feel good about yourself.

But you can't tell me that ALLOWING that crazy person access to guns would have HELPED the situation!

No. They can't.

When you go to my store to purchase a firearm, I run you through the NICS system. If I see a red flag, and there's a lot of them for mental health, you get no firearm. Full stop. Period. End of discussion.

But you can't tell me that ALLOWING that crazy person access to guns would have HELPED the situation!

No. They can't.

When you go to my store to purchase a firearm, I run you through the NICS system. If I see a red flag, and there's a lot of them for mental health, you get no firearm. Full stop. Period. End of discussion.

You're kidding, right? What about that gunshow loophole?

Reports (foreign reporters) have gone to America and have shown how easy it is to by high powered, fully automatic rifles. And I'm assuming that you can't buy fully automatic weapon when you're not local :P

And as that very recent incident has shown, mentally unstable people can still get guns easily. Not all of them at diagnosed either.

2. Maybe you were robbed and killed, maybe you weren't. You can never tell with how a situation will play out if indeed it's factual.

The easy access you have to firearms is exactly what lead to the recent horrific incident in your country.

Funny, here I thought it was because someone who wasn't getting near the help he needed to adjust with life stole his mothers guns and decided to get back at his mother indirectly through children.

There are other ways to protect yourself after all.

I'm 102 pounds, one leg that doesn't work right and never will.

Do explain how I'm meant to punch people out or how smart it would be to get right up against them and PRAY that the pepper spray and taser works?

Also add in that the police aren't required to do shit to help me. No cops. No firearm option.

Don't take what I've said as a personal jab at you, it's not. It's trying to show you the wider view of the rest of the world than just how guns affect you and make you feel safe.

And you know what? The only reason I can even think about it at all is because of a firearm.

The whole "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" phrase is false. People do kill people because they HAVE easy access to firearms. And just because you use that easy access for your own defense that sure as hell doesn't mean that's what everyone else is doing.

I'll have my firearms regardless. Any authority that wants them, well, cliche as it is, can take it from my small, cold, dead hands. I am not leaving myself vulnerable so people like you in an ivory tower can feel good about yourself.

Oh wow. I thought I was debating with an intelligent person with differing opinions. Turns out you're another (imagine a word that's insulting) who will give up guns "When dey pry 'em from ma cold, dead hands! Also, Da Gov'ment is gonna attack it's people we gotta be ready fo' 'em when dey come!"

I feel like the effort I put into this whole thing was wasted. :( It's really a shame you're so stubborn. There are other words I want to use but I probably shouldn't.

Another Yank who wouldn't give up his guns even if he was ordered to. I've lost hope for your country, as long as there are people like you running around with guns like they're toys there will be catastrophes.

It's just a shame that it'll take another massacre to get you to change. Or rather your country to try to change, people like you will keep your guns cos you're too stubborn to think beyond yourself.

Sorry to get so personal but that's just the way things have lead. Enjoy your ignorance.

Reports (foreign reporters) have gone to America and have shown how easy it is to by high powered, fully automatic rifles.

So they....

A: Went through the lengthy screening processB: Filled out all the paperwork and formsC: Was purchasing a full automatic made before 1986. D: Paid all the taxes required on the weapon. E: Bought the specialized safes for the weapon (standard gun safes are not up to code to hold it). F: Registered themselves with the multiple law enforcement agencies that are required to be notified of your possession of the weapon and it's serial number

Oh wow. I thought I was debating with an intelligent person with differing opinions. Turns out you're another (imagine a word that's insulting) who will give up guns "When dey pry 'em from ma cold, dead hands! Also, Da Gov'ment is gonna attack it's people we gotta be ready fo' 'em when dey come!"

Wrong again.

Government has nothing to do with why I own a firearm. I explained. I live in a country where the police can legally sip coffee and watch while I get murdered. I live in a country where things like a 911 call are a roll of the dice as to whether or not someone will help. I live in a country where even if the police do help, they'll take hours to get there when I have seconds to live. I live in a country where a restraining order doesn't even have to be enforced. I live in a country where the only people the police are legally required to protect are prison inmates.

THAT'S WHY I OWN A FIREARM. I do not buy into this militia "we gotta fight da gub'ment" claptrap. Get it?

Another Yank who wouldn't give up his guns even if he was ordered to.

I'll tell you what.

You get my country to legally require the police to respond to a call for help, to actually protect the citizens and live up to that "Serve and Protect" written on the cars, to actually enforce legal restraining orders, and you know what? I'll surrender all three of my firearms.

Reports (foreign reporters) have gone to America and have shown how easy it is to by high powered, fully automatic rifles.

So they....

A: Went through the lengthy screening processB: Filled out all the paperwork and formsC: Was purchasing a full automatic made before 1986. D: Paid all the taxes required on the weapon. E: Bought the specialized safes for the weapon (standard gun safes are not up to code to hold it). F: Registered themselves with the multiple law enforcement agencies that are required to be notified of your possession of the weapon and it's serial number

Oh wow. I thought I was debating with an intelligent person with differing opinions. Turns out you're another (imagine a word that's insulting) who will give up guns "When dey pry 'em from ma cold, dead hands! Also, Da Gov'ment is gonna attack it's people we gotta be ready fo' 'em when dey come!"

Wrong again.

Government has nothing to do with why I own a firearm. I explained. I live in a country where the police can legally sip coffee and watch while I get murdered. I live in a country where things like a 911 call are a roll of the dice as to whether or not someone will help. I live in a country where even if the police do help, they'll take hours to get there when I have seconds to live. I live in a country where a restraining order doesn't even have to be enforced. I live in a country where the only people the police are legally required to protect are prison inmates.

THAT'S WHY I OWN A FIREARM. I do not buy into this militia "we gotta fight da gub'ment" claptrap. Get it?

Another Yank who wouldn't give up his guns even if he was ordered to.

I'll tell you what.

You get my country to legally require the police to respond to a call for help, to actually protect the citizens and live up to that "Serve and Protect" written on the cars, to actually enforce legal restraining orders, and you know what? I'll surrender all three of my firearms.

How's that grab you?

Just to clarify they didn't go through the proper channels, they just said to a few people... "Where can I buy a gun". Few minutes later he was showing off a fully automatic rifle in his car to the camera.

And how's that grab me? It doesn't; logical facts bounce off your stubborn shell like tennis ball off a racket. You're not debating you're just yelling at people for not believing in your own opinions. I'm done arguing with you.

In the end logical people know the harm of firearms. Enthusiasts will continue to fight against logic so they don't lose their toys, because guns are cool and fun!

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but after everything that's happened recently (past few years) if your opinion hasn't been changed it says more about what kind of person you are than what you believe.

Just to clarify they didn't go through the proper channels, they just said to a few people... "Where can I buy a gun". Few minutes later he was showing off a fully automatic rifle in his car to the camera.

So they were breaking the laws that were already on the books, you say?

Enthusiasts will continue to fight against logic so they don't lose their toys, because guns are cool and fun!

Save that for the people who actually regard a firearm as a toy. I don't.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but after everything that's happened recently (past few years) if your opinion hasn't been changed it says more about what kind of person you are than what you believe.

And it says alot about the people who live in their ivory tower, unaware or uncaring of other people's circumstances, to demand conformity because it worked in their backyard, regardless of how different their backyard is.

Your police are required to help you, I'll wager. Mine aren't.

If that situation changes, then my opinion on firearm ownership will change.

Yes. Yes it is. I entirely doubt that you're truly worried about crime and being abandoned b the police. It's their job to protect. And if you do believe it then you're clearly lacking in experience with actual police officers or are letting one experience weigh your judgement.

Regardless, this isn't about crime. Crime happens, everywhere. If you don't believe the cops are doing there job, fine. That sure as hell doesn't give you the right to sell powerful weapons to defend yourself with. You shouldn't take the law into your own hands.

And now I know you're going to say something like "so I should just be defenseless????" to which my response would be, Yes. Fully and whole heartedly yes. Crime happens! It's unfortunate. Just hold on tight while going through life and hope it doesn't happen to you.

You're trying to tell me that you want guns because of what 'might' happen to you one day. Even so there are no guarantees that it'll even be life threatening (firearms escalate situations). And you ignore the facts that what WILL keep happening is mentally unstable people will keep killing innocent others. Children.

But then you probably think it's a GOOD idea to have armed volunteer patrolling schools. You think the answer is MORE guns. Why? Because you're only thinking of yourself. I'm not expecting you to change your opinion, you're too passionate about it to do that. But that doesn't change the fact that it's people like you who are only helping these attrocities.

It's alright though, like racism back in the day the world will slowly remove these terrible ideals like a sickness. We're evolving and you can either get on board with the rest of us or remain stubborn in the ocean. We're not going to wait for you, but you are delaying the process. So thank you for your contribution to humanity, but sooner or later you will be left behind.

You get my country to legally require the police to respond to a call for help, to actually protect the citizens and live up to that "Serve and Protect" written on the cars, to actually enforce legal restraining orders, and you know what? I'll surrender all three of my firearms.

How's that grab you?

Well.

For what it's worth, if I lived in the US, I'd have a .45 Semi-Auto on a belt holster with three magazines slapped on there for good measure, plus a .357 Revolver as backup, both with lasers slapped on for those tricky close-encounter or under-the-couch shots, and a powerful handheld light for blinding and "stabbing".

Preferably secured behind en electronic thumbprint lock, even though I don't have kids.

That doesn't mean I'm not happy about living in a place that doesn't make me think that's necessary to protect myself though.

It's not reasonable to think that banning guns will fix anything at this point. They're out there, and there's far too many of them to start collecting them one by one.

However, the thing that scares me the most about people carrying guns openly, outside of their own homes, is how it's possible to own one without proper instruction.

Has anyone ever actually done an off-the-street survey in an open-carry state, on people who were carrying at the time, asking fundamental questions like "What are the basic firearm safety rules?"

The good old "My father taught me" excuse just doesn't really cut it for me.

EDIT: Whoops, seems something odd happened, and the wrong guy got named on the quote. Fixed.