I like Schwartz, but I'm beginning to wonder if he is the right guy. Some of our draft picks have been questionable in term of both need and character -Taking Pettigrew rather than an OT to protect your franchise QB, gambling on a fragile Jahvid Best, taking Fairly despite his reported poor work ethic, LeShoure, and we still don't have a secondary. This, combined with all the off-field issues and a ton of stupid penalties make me wonder if a change isn't needed.

BTW, Happy New Year!

I know what you are saying, but I wonder how much of the questionable draft picks was on Mayhew rather than Schwartz.

Ya know, I was calling for Schwartz's head earlier, but IMO i think he should get ONE more year. ONE year to make the critical changes and moves that needs to happen. He already admitted that this upcoming offseason is going to be a big one, whatever that is supposed to mean.

If we go into FA and come out with guys that (like M2K mentioned in another post) high character guys that should help the locker room but really have no impact on the field, Im gonna be freakin pissed. I understand the cap situation, but still. And then when the Draft comes, and the OBVIOUS pick is on the board, the guy that can come in IMMEDIATELY and help this team, and we take the guy that makes us all say, "What?!" Im gonna be pissed. If the 2nd round comes and there is a solid OG, S, or CB on the board, and I hear the words Leveon Bell, RB MSU....Im gonna hurt someone. And im an MSU fan. (BTW, that was just an example, Bell is a good RB...not a high need though.) I think we all understand my point. Example: Titus Young. Example: Ryan Broyles

Lions GM safe, won’t use tag, needs to work on Stafford dealPosted by Darin Gantt on January 2, 2013, 7:59 PM EST

Lions general manager Martin Mayhew told reporters Wednesday he has no reason to believe he and coach Jim Schwartz aren’t safe, and that they have plenty of work to do.

Mayhew said he talked with owner William Clay Ford and his son, team vice chariman Bill, earlier in the week

“As far as I know we’re going to be back,” Mayhew said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “It could be like ‘Survivor,’ you know, when you go back and write somebody’s name down.

“But no, as far as I know we’re going to be back and I’ve spoken to Mr. Ford, I’ve spoken to Bill and we talked about our plans going forward and we’re certainly working on getting things right.”

After going 4-12, losing their final eight and not beating a single division opponent, there’s enough work to go around. Mayhew said his biggest mistake may have been overestimating the talent of a team that returned 21 of 22 starters.

“I think that’s quite possible,” he said. “I certainly thought we were going to get some better performances.”

While injuries that limited their starting secondary to one game together and kept running back Jahvid Best off the field were a factor, Mayhew said that the only player he saw improve was defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.

For a team with a tricky cap situation and 23 free agents, that means change is coming.

For one, Mayhew said he didn’t see himself using the franchise tag this offsesaon, as they did for defensive end Cliff Avril last year.

He also said they needed to restructure or extend quarterback Matt Stafford’s contract, to knock his cap number below his current $20-plus million charge.

Stafford, Suh and Calvin Johnson currently count nearly $50 million toward a cap expected to be around $121 million, so working on Stafford’s deal will be necessary. Mayhew compared it to last year, when they had to give Johnson a new deal before the start of free agency.

That’s good news for Stafford, who gets to negotiate from a position of strength his 2012 season might not otherwise indicate.

Considering as we have multiple threads floating around about Schwartz and his status, I thought I'd try to corral them all in 1 thread...

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January 3rd, 2013, 9:06 am

DJ-B

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Re: Schwartz

Thanks for the Cleanup Wags.

January 3rd, 2013, 4:03 pm

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Re: Schwartz

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

January 4th, 2013, 4:49 pm

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Re: Schwartz

Don't worry, they made changes.

They didnt extend the contracts of the WR and RB Coach. Now that the right people are in place the world is our oyster...............

yeah....

January 4th, 2013, 8:23 pm

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Re: Schwartz

Why?? He's done something, Lions coaches hasn't done in decades with a 0-16 team. Other Lions coaches have stayed longer and done much much less to get additional seasons to turn things around. I'm shocked the Coordinators are still here.

I.E. wrote:

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

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January 5th, 2013, 2:01 am

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Re: Schwartz

Mufasa wrote:

Why?? He's done something, Lions coaches hasn't done in decades with a 0-16 team. Other Lions coaches have stayed longer and done much much less to get additional seasons to turn things around. I'm shocked the Coordinators are still here.

I.E. wrote:

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

How many 0-16 teams have the Lions had, that you can compare him to? Going 4-10 is an accomplishment?

This guy has a team full of high draft picks that is capable of winning because they almost seem to will themselves to lose. You tell me that's not coaching. The only thing he's done well is give the team "attitude" ... but he can't coach them to channel it positively. So what the Lions get is head-stomping, lack-of-focus-ball-dropping, and celebrating individual plays like they were superbowl-winning ... while losing games that should be won. He's TERRIBLE. Another decent coach was there this year, and this Lions team was contending for the playoffs. There are dozens of available coaches out there RIGHT NOW that can win more with less.

January 5th, 2013, 9:58 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Schwartz

I.E. wrote:

Mufasa wrote:

Why?? He's done something, Lions coaches hasn't done in decades with a 0-16 team. Other Lions coaches have stayed longer and done much much less to get additional seasons to turn things around. I'm shocked the Coordinators are still here.

I.E. wrote:

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

How many 0-16 teams have the Lions had, that you can compare him to? Going 4-10 is an accomplishment?

This guy has a team full of high draft picks that is capable of winning because they almost seem to will themselves to lose. You tell me that's not coaching. The only thing he's done well is give the team "attitude" ... but he can't coach them to channel it positively. So what the Lions get is head-stomping, lack-of-focus-ball-dropping, and celebrating individual plays like they were superbowl-winning ... while losing games that should be won. He's TERRIBLE. Another decent coach was there this year, and this Lions team was contending for the playoffs. There are dozens of available coaches out there RIGHT NOW that can win more with less.

Good post

January 5th, 2013, 11:47 pm

Mufasa

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Re: Schwartz

I.E. wrote:

Mufasa wrote:

Why?? He's done something, Lions coaches hasn't done in decades with a 0-16 team. Other Lions coaches have stayed longer and done much much less to get additional seasons to turn things around. I'm shocked the Coordinators are still here.

I.E. wrote:

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

How many 0-16 teams have the Lions had, that you can compare him to? Going 4-10 is an accomplishment?

This guy has a team full of high draft picks that is capable of winning because they almost seem to will themselves to lose. You tell me that's not coaching. The only thing he's done well is give the team "attitude" ... but he can't coach them to channel it positively. So what the Lions get is head-stomping, lack-of-focus-ball-dropping, and celebrating individual plays like they were superbowl-winning ... while losing games that should be won. He's TERRIBLE. Another decent coach was there this year, and this Lions team was contending for the playoffs. There are dozens of available coaches out there RIGHT NOW that can win more with less.

Sorry, I don't agree. We give him another year to turn things around. All the past coaches have had high draft picks and none of them have seen the Post Season. He's earned another year based on that alone. Unless we're bringing in Nick Saban or Hoodie, I'm good.

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January 10th, 2013, 3:05 am

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Re: Schwartz

Mufasa wrote:

I.E. wrote:

Mufasa wrote:

Why?? He's done something, Lions coaches hasn't done in decades with a 0-16 team. Other Lions coaches have stayed longer and done much much less to get additional seasons to turn things around. I'm shocked the Coordinators are still here.

I.E. wrote:

I'm stunned that Schwartz still has his job, after that season. Just stunned.

How many 0-16 teams have the Lions had, that you can compare him to? Going 4-10 is an accomplishment?

This guy has a team full of high draft picks that is capable of winning because they almost seem to will themselves to lose. You tell me that's not coaching. The only thing he's done well is give the team "attitude" ... but he can't coach them to channel it positively. So what the Lions get is head-stomping, lack-of-focus-ball-dropping, and celebrating individual plays like they were superbowl-winning ... while losing games that should be won. He's TERRIBLE. Another decent coach was there this year, and this Lions team was contending for the playoffs. There are dozens of available coaches out there RIGHT NOW that can win more with less.

Sorry, I don't agree. We give him another year to turn things around. All the past coaches have had high draft picks and none of them have seen the Post Season. He's earned another year based on that alone. Unless we're bringing in Nick Saban or Hoodie, I'm good.

No, No, No... Marinelli and Mariucci both had to deal with Roy Williams, a dud, Mike Williams, a dud, and suffer the effects of C-Rog, and Joey Harrington BOTH duds.

That's more or less 4 first round picks that they didn't "have" to play for them. Now, Schwartz has received the BENEFIT of trading away Roy Williams in two first round picks, and he got TWO first round picks again in the Fairly deal.

Additionally, if you want to get into second round draft picks, it's the majority of the rest of the roster - Broyles, Leshoure, Delmas, Durant, KVB, Chris Houston, Dominic Raiola, and Cliff Avril plays like an average first/second round DE, despite being picked in the 3rd.

No other coach in Lions history, or perhaps even in the NFL has done less with that much talent. I don't fault Schwartz as much for not succeeding with the players we didn't pick, but allegedly many of the first and second round picks on this team were and are hand selections made by him. He is flat out awful!

Again, now you know why two years ago I talked about a division of duties, and explained over and over why the coach should ONLY get to pick the player TYPE, and not the specific player. You guys fought with me tooth and nail on that issue, but it's lead us right to where we are now... Not knowing who the boob is... I say it's both of them for getting into the debacle in the first place. Fire both of the unprofessional morons and move on.