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--------------------And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.

Surrender to another might be scopolamine, (in their proximety)? Removing ones free will..

Surrender to the spirits might be a deleriant maybe? Or dmt? I havent tried this myself though, so I do not know..

Surrender to fate might be to drop all fear, and do risky things.. like climbing mount. Everest or something, without safety ect...

--------------------And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.

like being forced to give yourself to what hates you the most, as only that cant be sharing any base with you to let you be alone at a point

and only the most disgusting one would ask others to give themselves

in truth it is impossible, any is alone, objectively that is always how reality exist, any is individually only, while there is a relative way objectively through life, common positive wills, and subjectively through true present free superior realizations out of own self..

in truth we do not surrender to what is better or truly superior... we just stop being or meaning when all is objectively there in truth, there is no wills.. existence is a fact that need a lot, for constancy of true free being realizations and realities

unfortunately, evil is much bigger then truth

that is how it can force true existence to its reverse.. it sounds absurd but it is happening

like true things cannot be seen anymore, they are forced to be through invisible suffer and infinite reactions ...

I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.

--------------------Refraining from all evil, not clinging to birth and death, working in deep compassion for all sentient beings, respecting those over you and pitying those below you, without any detesting or desiring, worrying or lamentation - this is what is called Buddha. Do not search beyond it.- Dōgen

Quote:r72rock said:I'd say it's to surrender to the finitude of life and that most of life is out of one's control. To surrender to the fact that life is pain and suffering, and that one'll get hurt in the future. I used to search for something that would "save me" from future pain, whether it be loss or extreme physical pain, but now I think surrendering to the fact that life is pain and that I WILL get hurt later on down the road is the ultimate surrender. Life's out of my control, so I'll try my best to be kind to myself and others. To have the courage to surrender to suffering. Much easier said than done though, I know I'm far from that myself.

It's like surrendering to the idea that humans are super fragile. And I think though that we can come to appreciate how fragile we are in this hostile existence, and accept that life has forces that are beyond our control. They aren't necessarily super natural forces (maybe there are) but they're things at play that humans may never understand.

Very insightful post imo. I seem to be at that pain and suffering point and it's not down the road anymore. I'm old, it's here.

-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC