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Originally posted by Grakulen

I played my 3DS more than any other console. The new Zelda was amazing.

You mean "A Link between Worlds"? I liked it very much but it was also very short. I think that Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks used the features of the Nintendo DS very good. I missed that in "Link betweek Worlds". And dId I mentioned it was very short compared to the other two DS Zelda Games?

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2013 will go down as one of the dullest years in MMO"s and 2014 will provide one of the biggest flops for MMO's including Wild Star going F2P within 6-12 months, ESO being a marginal success (fanboi's unite) and EverQuest Next being further delayed to 2015. I believe 2015 will be the year of excitement with EQ Next and Star Citizen.

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I hope 2014 turns out better. Enjoyed some of the games on that list but in the end walked away from them for many reasons. I hope 2014 is the year I find a new MMO to lose myself in. So far thats been EQ1, DAoC and WoW. No real winners for me after 2004 =-\ 10 years of ok games. We need something stellar.

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Far too many bitter old vets - we'll never have another "good" year for MMORPG gaming according to ya'll.

Oh yeah, it's all the fault of the "bitter vets" that developers keep churning out crap year after year, pretty common consensus from all sorts of posters here that 2013 was a bad year for MMORPG's.

Look at your wish list, you are a MMO tourist, dropping in from game to game for short periods of time. If a game doesn't have the design behind it to grab a substantial portion over the long haul, (what the purists want) then they are failures in my eyes.

You are correct though, they may never make a MMORPG designed as I am looking for ever again, but I still have hope that the greater player base will weary of what they've been playing and "mature" if you will into desiring MMORPG's with some more challenging and long term designs.

Many would consider me a "bitter vet" - after all, I tend to be negative and have been playing MMOs since UO pre-Trammel.

I don't think developers have been churning out crap year after year.

There have been some great games and some great expansion to long-running games. 2013 was a year that wasn't filled with all too much, I will agree to that.

Actual releases you have what, FFXIV, Defiance, Neverwinter as the biggest 3? That's not a great year, but lots of people enjoy FFXIV.

2013 was a good year for EvE, was a good year for MMO-lite with PoE, and saw the launch of both the PS4 and XB1- too platforms that are going to have a big impact on MMO gaming.

If I'm a tourist, it's because I am burned out - not because the games are all garbage. There are GREAT MMOs out there to play, like WoW, like EvE, like FFXIV, like Age of Wushu and others...

But this part really get's me-

"You are correct though, they may never make a MMORPG designed as I am looking for ever again, but I still have hope that the greater player base will weary of what they've been playing and "mature" if you will into desiring MMORPG's with some more challenging and long term designs."

So you are saying that you are not getting what you are looking for, and implying that people who disagree with your wishlist are immature "child" gamers that haven't yet elevated themselves to your level.

That, right there, is the real "problem" people on MMORPG REALLY have- old-man "walk uphill both ways" "everything was better before" types.

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People who think WoW is a casual game still, to this day, crack me up.

Just because a game can be played casually doesn't mean it is a casual game.

So funny how people still don't understand this.

Chess can be a casual game. Chess can be a hardcore game.

EvE can be a casual game. EvE can be a hardcore game.

Farmville can be a casual game. Farmville can be a hardcore game.

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Casual is a play style, not a game type.

Games that only support a hardcore playstyle usually don't do very well.

Neither do games that only support a casual playstyle.

The really successful and lasting/powerful games support multiple playstyles. Fact.

You are partly right. Some games can be played casually or hardcore but this does not make any game hardcore because people play it hardcore. Heck I cant stop playing Clash of Clan but its far from a hardcore game. What gamers call hardcore is a concept that is almost hard to really define and why so many say games like WoW are casual or hardcore. For some a game that focuses on crafting as the main way to get items is hardcore and for others its raids. For another its PvP.

What is casual? Now that can be defined. A game you can advance at top level game with little effort or by paying your way to success. But someone may say I am wrong in that. ((shrugs))

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I can't really disagree with the list this year...although I don't think it was really a hard pick like it has been in years past.

Defiance is one of my best and most disappointing mmos I played this year. I was having a really good time playing the story and talked a lot about how much fun it was with friends....then, one day, just out of no where the fun went off a cliff because the short story they were telling just came to an end.

What was left was disappointing to say the least. Shooting rocks is not my idea of fun content to " grind" on.

At least next year is looking a bit brighter. At the very least people can be disappointed with better mmos. :)

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Far too many bitter old vets - we'll never have another "good" year for MMORPG gaming according to ya'll.

Personally? I've gotten a lot of enjoyment (even if short lived) with MMOs like GW2 and FFXIV in 2013, and am currently enjoying WoW again.

I'm looking forward to more WoW in 2014, maybe a crack at ESO, but more so D3 expansion and Destiny/The Division (pseudo-MMO ish games)

Hopeful for LOTS of great XB1 games this year like Titanfall, Halo 5 (maybe), the before mentioned D3 expansion (hopefully), Destiny, The Division, and (hopefully) great RPG's including Witcher 3, DA3, maybe a new ME, and FFXV.

"bitter old vets" have nothing to do with the negativity. It's 100% the game. The games are either too hardcore (darkfall, mortal online) or too linear / redundant (swtor, virtually every theme park). It's just boring.

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Originally posted by Dauzqul

Originally posted by BadSpock2013, 2012, or 2014- doesn't matter.Far too many bitter old vets - we'll never have another "good" year for MMORPG gaming according to ya'll.Personally? I've gotten a lot of enjoyment (even if short lived) with MMOs like GW2 and FFXIV in 2013, and am currently enjoying WoW again.I'm looking forward to more WoW in 2014, maybe a crack at ESO, but more so D3 expansion and Destiny/The Division (pseudo-MMO ish games)Hopeful for LOTS of great XB1 games this year like Titanfall, Halo 5 (maybe), the before mentioned D3 expansion (hopefully), Destiny, The Division, and (hopefully) great RPG's including Witcher 3, DA3, maybe a new ME, and FFXV.

"bitter old vets" have nothing to do with the negativity. It's 100% the game. The games are either too hardcore (darkfall, mortal online) or too linear / redundant (swtor, virtually every theme park).

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Originally posted by DauzqulI didn't realize what a bad year 2013 was in terms of gaming. lol. Just my opinion.

I didnt realize that you mistook your opinion of games as a general consensus of every video gamer in the world.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

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Wow what a sad year for gaming if FFXIV is the best they could do. Also Wildstar most anticipated? That is pathetic given all the great looking games coming out in the future.

Path of Exile didn't do what D3 failed to do either. They created a deeper game with piss poor gameplay that is just downright boring. D3 has more than its fair share of issues but they still made the game that was more fun and I thought that is what you said the point is?

I have to say I disagree with your awards but I agree with the popular sentiment that it was just a year full of drivel in general.