Why are people so butt hurt about Lebron James and Michael Jordan.
In the beginning of his career people doubted Micheal Jordan to ever win a ring because people said things like: "He is a ball hog" "He can only dunk". Now at the end of his career however people declared him to be the greatest player of all time. The same could happen with Lebron as he still has a chance to surpass Michael Jordan.

Lebron did it by himself ? So Dwane Wade, who is 11time all star. Averaging 23 points a game for his career, 5 rebounds 5 assists nearly 2 steals and a block a game nobody ? Or chris bosh who was a top 3 PF at the time. Or how about most recent with Kyrie irving being top 3 point guard now hitting the game winning shot, because lebron didnt win it the year before without him. Or how about Ray allan, another one who hit a game winner for lebron because he couldnt against the spurs in game 6 when they were one defensive rebound away from being champions.

in your comment above you stated, word for word, "1 ring with prime Kyrie Irving, 3pt shooting from JR Smith, defense from Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love who didn't do that good but still contributed a bit". so you said kyrie was in his prime, so don't talk about me reading anything if you don't even know what you said.

LeBron is better then MJ for reasons you just stated yourself, LeBron at 31 has all of those accomplishments while coming pretty close to passing several of MJs and MJ didn't even start doing this until he was 29, and you cant take into account lebrons losses because everytime he lossed besides the first Mavs seris he was the underdog, LeBron has been to 7 straight finals which is umatched by MJ and he led them to a comeback on one of the greatest teams ever. Jordans losses usually came before his trips to the titles where he everntually won over teams that were older and clearly not as food as the bulls, every team he beat he had to wait until they got old, pistons. jazz and even the Celtics.

Jordan is a stat booster that had to wait until the teams he couldn't beat got older so he could beat them. Lebron should've had more MVPs like the year DRose won but they just didn't give it to him for the fact they wanted to give it to someone else so he should have at least 5. Lebron has less rings in 13 seasons but had the same amount of championships but LeBron has more appearances. For more than half of lebrons career he didn't have any help at all on the team unlike Jordan with pippen and gervin.

ok don't compare mo Williams to the help that Jordan, yeah he didn't win a ring but he took a terrible team to the finals to face one of the best teams ever in the 06' spurs team. As for Zydrunas he was an average big man at best. a 7'3" center that never averaged over 9.4 rebounds per game while shooting a career 47% which are both average.

yeah lol, AVERAGE do you need me to say it louder. you could find many centers even in todays game who can give you those numbers, you can like and respect a player but it doesn't mean he wasn't average compared to centers throughout NBA history. if you think he was an all time great then you have to say Marcin Gortat is an all time great because his career averages are about the same, and I'm sure that's not the only one you could make a case for. Greg Monroe average more career points and rebounds while shooting almost the same % are you going to put him on the same pedestal as Zydrunas? Yes and that pedestal is average.

Last time I checked an average player doesn't make the all star game... never did I say big z was an all time great all I'm saying was he was an above average player when he played... just like Marcin is am above average player right now.

no hes not.... Gortat is an average player. He was an average player that played above average at times but if you put ANY center on a team with LeBron and no other scorer I can guarantee they will average the same stats that Zydrunas did, 15 and 8 with 1 block as a 7'3" center shouldn't warrant an all star game

bullshit. You obviously do not know wtf you are talking about.. You are one of those people who go on basketball reference and look at how many points someone averages and determines how good they are.. Marcin is not an average center or his PER would be average. But it is above.

He averaged closer to 2 blocks his entire career so idk wtf you are talking about..

His PER suggests that he was a border line star in the nba when he played.

You realize there was 45 players in the NBA with a PER of 20+ right? Ilgauskas achieved that twice in his career.

Of those 45, 16 of those players are NBA Centers.

Among them are Enes Kanter with a PER of almost 24, Jonas Valanciunas, Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, and Javale McGee with a PER of 25.26

PER is far from a perfect stat, but even that stat doesn't at all suggest Ilgauskas was a star.

And it doesn't take a great player to make the all-star team once, especially considering when your on a winning team coach voters are much more favorable to put you on the team. Its like the Hawks when Jeff Teague and Kyle Korever made it, people want to put players on winning teams onto the All-Star game.

look at the teams he playes in the finals, that spurs team in 06 no way was he winning that. Then the Mavs series he should've won that's the only one that you can knock him for. Then the next loss to the spurs wade was no where to be found and chris bosh was a little above average but not a dynamic superstar that he needed to be to beat that spurs '13 team. Then you go to the warrior when kyrie and love went out and he gave one of thje best finals ever even though he lost. Everyone needs help even Jordan he had way better teams then LeBron has ever had only exception is the 2012 heat. Lebron took a 17 win team to almost making the playoffs the very next year while Jordan had Oakley and gervin and barley won in the playoffs until he was paired up with pippen. Lebron takes any team he is on to the finals which makes him hands down the GOAT. Put him on the sixers this year they go to the finals.

Seriously, LeBron has had less help than MJ to go up against more talented teams. People talk about how much help LeBron has had, yet his team, in 8 goes, has only been favored ONCE in the NBA finals.

Dwyane Wade was a star next to LeBron for two seasons. After that his age started to show and he was little help. Sure you have Chris Bosh too, but I'd probably rather have a deeper team than just Chris Bosh.

The team he has right now is probably the best he's ever had, yet he has to go up against a team with Curry, KD, Klay, and Draymond.

People talk about the East being weak, but compare the teams LeBron has played in the ECF over his career to the teams MJ played and the teams MJ played in the ECF are barely better. When comparing the kinds of teams that LeBron has had to play in the finals vs. MJ there is no comparison.

I have no problem with someone picking MJ over LeBron, but if you don't think its at least an argument, either way, your a fool.

I'm a Dubs fan, but they need to make the two playoff-like cards again. LeBron obvs with a 99, and probably a 98 for Curry. (Even though he is like a god to me, I don't think he deserves a 99, maybe for the regular season)

Why does 2K keep getting Jerry West's measurables wrong? West was measured at 6'4.5" with a 6'9" wingspan before his rookie year. As a 34 year old, he recorded a max vertical reach of 11'4". 6'4.5" with a 6'9" wingspan places him at about the same standing reach as John Wall, who is 6'4" with a 6'9.25" inch wingspan. Wall had a standing reach of 8'5.5", so we'll say West's was 8'6". This places his vertical at about 34 inches. That is deserving of around an 80 vertical, definitely not a 45. And that's at the age of 34. Thereby it's reasonable to assume that a young Jerry West had a vertical approaching, if not surpassing, 40 inches

did you know? its his silhouette on the nba logo:
"In 1969, Alan Siegel, who oversaw the design of Jerry Dior's Major League Baseball logo a year prior, created the modern NBA logo inspired by the MLB's. It incorporates the silhouette of the legendary Jerry West based on a photo by Wen Roberts, although NBA officials denied a particular player as being its influence because, according to Siegel, "They want to institutionalize it rather than individualize it. It's become such a ubiquitous, classic symbol and focal point of their identity and their licensing program that they don't necessarily want to identify it with one player." The iconic logo debuted in 1971 and would remain a fixture of the NBA brand" (source wikipedia)