A gang of 4/5 insiders have been running riot lately, espousing non-OWS values in the most bullying, sefl-congratulatory way. They probably disgusted people into leaving. I've noticed that I rarely see any posts/comments from some of our most creative sincere voices anymore.

I'm not a tech oriented person but this is what I found in simple search. Can someone set me straight on average # of unique visitors to www.occupywallst.org these days? What about same stat for January 10, 2012? How about November 10, 2011?

Here's what I found in admittedly unscientific search for current traffic:

I really think the drop off in the past few weeks was related to the Google search placing this site farther down for the word "Occupy." I told a friend to go the OWS forum and they were like, "I can't find it" so I had to spell it out for them, "occupywallst.org" and then they found it.

The site admins would be the ones with the most accurate numbers and they aren't saying a thing..

The important thing that we, the regular posters should be aware of, is the simple fact that many more people come to view the site and never actually post anything at all.

Troll control is more important to OWS PR than we know.

I for one, have grown weary of all the name calling and have bit my tongue more than once and edited my comments rather than constantly respond in kind..........I still f up once in a while, but I try and limit it.

I think you're right in what you're saying. By the way, slight change of subject but here are a few questions I have burning on my brain at the moment. If you have time to answer sometime, I would much appreciate it.

I find it very interesting to imagine what it would be like to be a candidate for office (say as an independent) at a countywide or statewide level right now. How would a person who sees the world through the "occupy lens" (to oversimplify) translate that into a political platform / 5 point plan? --- assume for a moment the person had decided to run and that were a given. What would they say to a surprised public that would be useful (if they didn't care if they won or lost)?
And what would they do in a two year term at a countywide or statewide level if they actually somehow got elected and knew they were only going for one term and would not need to worry about reelection?

We enjoy a website that allows this cloistered/disenfranchised country a way to engage in [politics for change] like no other, potentially. But NO MSM shaker and mover gives a rats ass about this. This is not effectual as it is. This "sweats" no one but paranoid RW summer-camp "Nazis" and tragically sensitive "PC" hall monitors!!!

"Will the last Occupier in this forum please turn out the lights. "Don't try holding your breath until that happens. That said, many true Occupiers seldom read or contribute to this forum for varying reasons, so the popularity of it is not necessarily indicative of the overall health of the movement itself.

I'm not a tech oriented person but this is what I found in simple search. Can someone set me straight on average # of unique visitors to www.occupywallst.org these days? What about same stat for January 10, 2012? How about November 10, 2011?

Here's what I found in admittedly unscientific search for current traffic:

I'm not a tech oriented person but this is what I found in simple search. Can someone set me straight on average # of unique visitors to www.occupywallst.org these days? What about same stat for January 10, 2012? How about November 10, 2011?

Here's what I found in admittedly unscientific search for current traffic:

I'm not a tech oriented person but this is what I found in simple search. Can someone set me straight on average # of unique visitors to www.occupywallst.org these days? What about same stat for January 10, 2012? How about November 10, 2011?

Here's what I found in admittedly unscientific search for current traffic:

I have noticed that when you type "occupy" into the google search this site has fallen far down on the first page of results where it used to always be #1 or 2 at the top of the first page. This is a recent change over the past 2/3 weeks. I am not sure how google decides how to rank. Do you know? This change in search results would affect how many people find this site and would explain, at least partially, the recent decline.

I just did it and it came up that way for me too. It has not been coming up that way for the past 2/3 weeks. That is how I always access the site. It's been far lower on the page. I'm glad for the change. I have no idea what to think of Google though I use the search engine all the time.

I wish I could remember which sites were listed above this one because they were very irrelevant, but of course, I can't remember, lol. I just found it frustrating because I had to keep scrolling down to find this one.

I googled ows and got a story put out by OWS at the top of the list. Scrolling down I saw other OWS references - but I also ran across what appears to be entries made with the intent of being about anything other then OWS. Garbage Posts - with the intent of muddying the search field or containing attack material.

Interesting, DKA. I always get here by typing "occupy" in the Google search engine. That is why I am aware of the change over the past 2/3 weeks. I've been doing this for over a year now. Back last fall all you had to type in the Google search engine were the letters "oc" and it brought you this site at the top of the first page. Of course, JPB950 is right that relevance is subjective, but in my subjective opinion the sites that have been ranking high in the past 2/3 weeks have been irrelevant. So, just something to be aware of, I think.

Relevance is a bit subjective. It might only take people clicking on various occupy related news stories to push the main site further down the list. The recent FBI revelations for example might have attracted more people then those looking to go to this site.

What OWS did was open channels of discourse. Those channels have grown into highways of information exchange. It becomes unstoppable. Eventually the smart politicians will begin to address the issues brought into light by OWS and others. Those politicians will have the support of the truth. Obvious, undeniable truths.

Yeah. TPTB don't like it much, but they pushed us from the streets onto the internet, so, big backfire for them. And, I agree that all the facts and statistics, the undeniable truths, are on the side of Occupy and have become very hard to argue with.

Well, if you ever want society to have an economic system where there would not be people who have no warm place to sleep and eat, you might care what so and so want/like and care about. Getting TPTB to care is a big deal and is what we need to do to bring about change.

In personal conversation will the truth spread the fastest. This site has an amount of useful information that can be shared with a smart phone, in a conversation anywhere. This site also has an exorbitant amount of useless chatter.

This is a tough place to navigate, true. But why is that? That is because the forum doesn't ban every troll and dissenter that makes his way here. One of the important things to do, and something I try to do, is bump up good threads and vote up good comments on a regular basis.

Users 'bumping' threads and 'voting' each other up has become the standard here. Some days there are nothing but insults at the top of the list. Let alone the ridiculous party divisions and squabbles involved there.

I cut and save pertinent information while it is being broadcast, before it becomes convoluted with shills or worse, buried under heaps of useless banter. I then share that information with people who are interested in it and can apply it. Those people are elsewhere.

Hmmm. I have often thought you specious, FawkesNews. Bumping good threads and voting good comments up is exactly what we should be doing. I feel you have dragged me into squabbling here and I'm not liking it, frankly.

I appreciate your honesty regarding my opinions. I have no interest in personal attacks and never have. Regarding methodology involved in this forum, there are supporters who will not be deterred and will continue to post valuable information here. More power to them. I will continue to access the information they disperse.

I'm probably stating the obvious, but I think a lot of that useless chatter is manufactured so that new visitors get disoriented, confused and turn away. I sincerely see a concerted paid intentional effort to water down the stew to the point where it's difficult to taste the meat and vegetables. Part of the reason I spend so much time on here is with those new visitors in mind. May attempts may be flawed and / or feeble, but my intention is for the new visitors to encounter something somewhat positive that they can relate to. I always attempt to write my posts (sometimes unsuccessfully) in a way that someone new to Occupy or even new to "questioning authority" might be able to relate to. This is my feeble attempt to keep people from being snowed by the manufactured noise.

It may be a quixotic effort, but it is sincere. And it seems many others may have the same goal in mind and surely achieve the goal far more often than I.

Yes this has also become part of what I have learned, though I am new to it my heart is in the place. My experience has covered much ground not in net/web but on streets of Salem Oregon-my screenname the most democratic location in the world. I hope to get better at this for soo much in me little head. I am a her f.y.i.

I don't use this site any longer as source for conversational assistance because the stew 'is' so watered down. In fact the relevance of OWS is watered down. The information gleaned here is transferable, so to speak, and it is that information that I find the most valuable. Your posts and of others are important and appreciated. I thank you.

I will cut and paste articles and information gleaned here to share with others elsewhere. Referring people to this site discourages them. Occupy does not have the attention of the world any longer, yet the corruption remains. People see the corruption and are now empowered to talk about it. OWS does not have the sole right to discuss corruption in banking and government.

This will suit them if they consider running for post next term. Actually those politicians would be in the most ideal position to be elected. Up to them We shall have new candidates. Finally the choice so long awaited.

"What OWS did was open channels of discourse. Those channels have grown into highways of information exchange. It becomes unstoppable. Eventually the smart politicians will begin to address the issues brought into light by OWS and others. Those politicians will have the support of the truth. Obvious, undeniable truths."

I agree. I find it very interesting to imagine what it would be like to be a candidate for office (say as an independent) at a countywide or statewide level right now. How would a person who sees the world through the "occupy lens" (to oversimplify) translate that into a political platform / 5 point plan? --- assume for a moment the person had decided to run and that were a given. What would they say to a surprised public that would be useful (if they didn't care if they won or lost)?

And what would they do in a two year term at a countywide or statewide level if they actually somehow got elected and knew they were only going for one term and would not need to worry about reelection?

I hear exactly what you're saying. I suppose, to clarify, I'm wondering what the campaign would look like if the person running didn't care about winning. Would there be some use to expressing the occupy ideals out loud in a state legislature race knowing a loss is likely?

The difference a solitary individual can make is limited to the venue they use.

State Legislatures are controlled by corruption. The best a solitary individual can hope for within that venue is to express truth. What becomes of it is essentially inconsequential unless it is adopted by others elsewhere.

Interest in Occupy has grown globally. Americans are not ready or able to accept the truth of what is holding them down and are still susceptible to propaganda and distraction. The world is not behaving as such, it is filled with action.

Thank you for the insight. This in part may help explain my difficulty at times to express what need be said. Ready or not it is here and we must help citizens here in U.S.to get what the world already knows. What happened I will now play alarm clock.

Americans are already awakened to the fact that they have been screwed by corrupted officials owned by banks. Helping them is only a matter of participating with them, in their individual lives. They are everywhere.

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