Its going to be interesting for sure, I think that Megan's style of crazy is going to be much more "likeable" than Betty's though. I think that it will be very interesting to see how the season progresses. With Don being such a product of the past and having a more 50's outlook on life where as Megan is embracing the swinging sixties more. That tug of war for control vs independence will be something to watch. Could you imagine Betty ever saying "that’s my money and you can't tell me what to do with it" I am surprised Don didn’t stroke out right there even after surviving Zumi Zumi Zu....

Joan & Layne - Spot on

Betty, I think she was out of the premier due to her still being pregnant when it was shot although clearly her plotlines are going to be less important as the kids spend time with, and it is odd to type this, the more stable household of Don and Megan... Looks like there will be some Betty / Henry drama next week. It appears as though Henry knows Don's secret as well, that shouldn't complicate things at all...

Pete and Roger are going to be explosive... The world is passing Roger by and he can't deal with it and Pete can't deal with the fact that his life isn’t what he pictured it to be. A handful of cereal for dinner, things are not looking too good for that relationship.... Oh, and how about telling Peggy to leave Joans baby on a church doorstep... Zing....

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

I agree with you on the Peggy character, a great piece to this show. I've said all along that this show is almost as much about her character (and its general representation of a specific type of woman of those times) as it is Don's.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

Take it from a guy who is engaged to a girl 8 years his Junior.Megan Draper is not crazy, she is just a typical 20yr old girl. But when you contrast that with a mature serious man such as Don , it makes her come off as Crazy.

Now Betty, she has real issues, she is a middle aged woman who has the emotional maturity of a pre-pubescent brat.

"I don't think they're building chemical weapons in Berea. But they might be. I can't say for sure."Chuck Klosterman

To finally introduce relations into the show's forefront? To display their straightforward racism vs. SCDP's more subtle and implicit form? To show that an SCDP competitor has equally shitty looking offices?

BTW, Roger was on fire with his one-liners. With Lucky Strike gone and his worth in the agency irrelevant, it looks like he's actually giving a shit. Only thing is, he's trying to make it by feeding off of Pete's leg work. The dinosaurs don't know how to matter in the new world.

To finally introduce relations into the show's forefront? To display their straightforward racism vs. SCDP's more subtle and implicit form? To show that an SCDP competitor has equally shitty looking offices?

No, there's some foreshadowing going on. I don't know what yet.

But I heard that Y & R was a real firm an that firm secured, get this, the Heinz account via their British office in real life a few months after the time period episode one took place. And didn't Dr. faye give DD/DW the Heinz account as a lead when they were together?

Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.

That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.

That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.

What a hilarious concept.

"We are such amazing writers, the way we set up story lines and character arcs is by having them do NOTHING"

"Yeah, that's a great idea, we can really give the viewer time to analyze and digest the mountain of nothing that's happening."

Well, nothing really has happened in these first three hours, but Weiner has taken us about 20 miles further on character development and laid the ground work for the work issues. Mad Men is written like chess, Weiner puts everything in place and then throws the damn board on the ground, making you have to rebuild it again before he throws it on the ground.

Which, really, is about all you do in any show.

I'd be willing to bet your Game of Thrones last night was rather boring on it's own.... hell it took them three episodes to even start making sense last year.

e0y2e3 wrote:Well, nothing really has happened in these first three hours, but Weiner has taken us about 20 miles further on character development and laid the ground work for the work issues. Mad Men is written like chess, Weiner puts everything in place and then throws the damn board on the ground, making you have to rebuild it again before he throws it on the ground.

BAH!

"Written like chess"..... that's a good one. Your description is so the Art Of Art.

I'd be willing to bet your Game of Thrones last night was rather boring on it's own.... hell it took them three episodes to even start making sense last year.

I missed it. But GoT kinda has the opposite problem of Mad Men, too many characters and too much going on at points. I never read the books and I have a hard time remembering names and roles.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.

That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.

What a hilarious concept.

"We are such amazing writers, the way we set up story lines and character arcs is by having them do NOTHING"

Hard to argue the approach, one of the best shows of all time (the best show of the 90's) was based solely on that premise.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

He's got the Betty symbolism wrong. The song was about Betty never growing up and her relationship to Don still, who she reached out to for reassurance when she thought she had cancer. Not Henry, who is an increasingly failed surrogate as Betty crashes into fatsville (until the inevitable speed addiction that Ray Charles can see coming)..

This is all about Betty, and her need for Don in her life in some way shape or form. While boring as fuck this little story line just keeps the door open for them to have Don & Betty back together at some point, even if just a one nighter. In the least it keeps the audience guessing about the future for those two.

If things don't work out the way Don wants with Megan he knows who is one phone call away.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

When Betty starts beating Sally again next week you both will be wrong.

This show is going to push Sally's youth movement more and more and her strength will be every single bit as important as Don and Betty, if not more so. They started this last year (a lot). She kept losing her battles with Betty last year, that is going to stop.

I found this odd, because in the flashback to Korea, I thought Don was with an older engineer when he was digging the trench and the engineer got blown up. I had thought that guy was the actual Don Draper. They never told us, but he seemed to look much older than Dick Whitman.