My point is kind of moot because of the carmina shortwings you sold me. They have definitely replaced my longwings as my suit go-to shoes. Thanks again.
Whoa, amazing shoes Watchman1. What are the PTB's?

Thank You Sir.

They are the 531 or the PTB version of your LWB.

I posted the shoe last comparison to show the elegant clunkiness of the Detroit last.

I was thinking of all of those but the permutations were so mind boggling that I lost track of time, space, and my place in the universe. I become one with the mixed media spirit, the boot Buddha, the cosmic GMTO karma. Days and weeks came and went. Shit, I left the dog outside since late February -- gotta run.