MATALIN: Can I have an honest moment here people, Van has to my mind retracted your whitelash with what you just said, no, that we have to not focus on the toxic stuff — okay, but you — if you don’t, you’re wrong. You are not — that’s not the path for progressives. We’ve all agreed at the outset that the path which is Ellison’s message is to go back to the rust belt and the rednecks . You’re not going to get there with climate change and Putin.

JONES: I said and stand by it. I said that race was a part and there was a part that alt-right part is part of the whitelash. If you listened to the whole quote you would agree with what I said So i don;t take that back–

MATALIN: I did listen and you said what do I tell the kids. I’m a black man in America who went to Yale and written books who served a president and now —

JONES: I’m a ninth generation American and the first born in my family with all my rights. Ninth generation American, so we have not escaped because I went to Yale all the problems of this country.

MATALIN: You should not be a racial polemicist you should be a racial reconciler.

JONES: You should be ashamed about yourself to say that about me to my face.

MATALIN: Should I say it behind your back would be better?

JONES: I spent more time than you have trying to be a racial reconciler.

MATALIN: Really? how do you know that? Do you know anything about me?

JONES: Apparently you don’t know anything about me.

MATALIN: I do know your daddy, your grandparents were teachers. your grandfather was a bishop.

JONES: This is a problem we have right now. It is in fact the case there was a populist revolt in this country, both Sanders and Trump. One was marbled through. if someone like myself married to a white woman who has spent my entire life building bridges can’t point out the alt-right whitelash reaction without accused of being a racial polemicist we have a big problem.