THAUMATURGIC CIRCLE: A magic circle which has numerous forms including circles more powerful than pentagrams yeah that might be something that rhymes good but if no one will understand what it is...why use it? a magic circle? this is a text battle my dude. we not splitting atoms here..you don't get extra points for finding words that most niggaz never heard of.

but like jai said you dont see niggaz on grindtime explaining they bars PRIOR to the battle

Look at like ths Deth. Do you gv an explanation of your punchez b4 your live battlez? Why or why not? If you say NO. Apply that text battlez.Posted via Mobile Device

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I tailor my punches to both my audience AND the venue.I never explain my punches live,but I know that when I say THAUMATURGIC CIRCLE I'm around backpack MCs,and when I say I COCK THEE LLAMA,SNATCH YO SHIT LIKE ALI BABA AND SEND MISSILES TUH VISIT YA TEMPLES LIKE DALI LAMA I'm around street heads and folks who I know WON'T get that THAUMATURGIC CIRCLE reference.

GRIND TIME audiences are the rarest of audiences; knowledgeable hardcore hiphop heads who love quality rap (and know what it is) sooo much that they'd pay to listen to skilled rappers SPIT ACAPELLA.They are the exceptional crowd that we would kill for,but they're about as rare as the pink spotted Dragon-Unicorn...almost the stuff of literally non-credible myth and legend.The rappers on GT don't have to explain jack cuz they attract the crowds that give them that luxury.Same with URL KINGOFTHEDOT,GRIZZLEMANIA etc.

Everyone else? You have to be aware of your audience and rap to them.

The advantage in text is that you can explain all of that with links or a quick expo and thus let each different rapping audience appreciate the strength and skill of the OTHER audience.These two audiences don't cross paths and hang out; they tend to be real clikkish.Backpackers with backpackers,ganxtas with ganxtas,hip-pop Souljah Boi bubblegummers with their squad.

The superior lyricist can AND DOES--imho--weave the strengths of these various factions together into a single verse that ALL READERS AND LISTENERS can acknowledge has real skill and real power.That's what I strive to do.In the process? I spit vocab,and vocab and knowledge has to be broken down sometimes.That's no prob,in fact IT'S A PLUS.It ENHANCES OUR KNOWLEDGE BASE,OUR SKILL LEVEL,AND OUR WEAPONRY.It's something that real lyrical O.G.'s and gods from RAKIM to JAY-Z to CHINO XL to EMINEM to practically everyone on GRINDTIME laments ISN'T DONE ENOUGH IN RAP.So it's odd that I'd be taken to task for it here.

For instance...BAR is a different style with different tastes than me.He thought my last bar in my first verse was my single most powerful bar.I thought that my JESUS' AUTOGRAPH punch probably was,or my ROBBED YA PURSE bar was.But my final bar impacted him differently than it would me.

how does the location of placed explanations impact whether you agree or don't agree? Do you think that there is "less" possibility of swaying if the expos are placed at the END of a verse? Why is that? If an explanation is correctly done,it's LITERALLY AN EXPLANATION.You can find these definitions in dictionaries but we all know--be real--most heads won't GOOGLE the words or whatever...and they'll STILL VOTE.In COMPLETE IGNORANCE of the power of some bars that could turn the tide of the battle in your favor had they known what a THAUMATURGIC CIRCLE was,for instance.Very few people know what that is off top,even fewer would GOOGLE it,but it's a hella punch which is very germane to this battle.Thus the explanation.And each expo I give is very obviously appropriate in that sense.

I understand your point about tailoring a verse to your audience but to a degree I honestly disagree.Having had years of experience following the path that you suggested prior to meeting you and thereafter,the bottom line becomes this: if you write within the strict parameters of common knowledge,you get a common knowledge verse in its ultimate essential and both rap and hiphop will suffer early deaths due to insufficient growth and innovation.Let's not forget that my verse is also full of "easier to comprehend" bars and that the elevated bars we're talking about are the minority of the bars I used in the verse; however these bars are as essential as any of the others.Remember,in rap? Our words are LITERALLY our weapons.The more words that you can aptly use and the knowledge that these words impart? The more you literally expand and deepen both your arsenal AND your knowledge base...which contributes DIRECTLY TO CREATIVITY,SKILL,ETC. That's why we can stand in awe at the vocab and sound manipulation skills of a Eminem,a Grafh,a Thesaurus,a Bender,a RAKIM (the G.O.A.T. imho),a Chino XL and many others.They take common AND uncommon words and knowledge and link them together with absolutely UNCOMMON skill.

Again,expos by definition are literally no more swaying than reading the correct definition of a word in a dictionary because that in essence is what explanations are...when done properly.

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Hell I agree, I'm just sayin some of your expos are overkill. But some lines goin over some ppls' head I can understand where you're coming from tho.

Each judge did an excellent job of explaining their votes,and I really appreciate that.I'm sure that Jai-z does as well (I'm not attempting to speak for her,I'm just assuming that she does based upon my interpretation of her previous posts). I'm a bit surprised that some people on a site that features GRIND TIME superstars mistake FLIPS for FEEDING.If I misunderstand,someone please enlighten me...but these are the definitions as I understand it:

FEEDING: Feeding is when one lyricist replies to a comment made by another but fails to bring anything original or of significance to that reply.Feeding also occurs as almost low-grade biting...you feed when you take someone's idea (not their bar,their IDEA) and simply apply it in your verse without proper context,power and originality.

FLIPPING: Flipping happens when one lyricist takes a punchline from another lyricist and turns it back on him/her/them,thus robbing the punchline of its power AND ADDING TO THE ATTACK POWER OF THE FLIPPING LYRICIST.Flipping requires creativity,context,skill and IT'S AN ATTACK.It's an art form in and of itself. Here are examples of FLIPS:

Jai-z

I mean going ham on your verse wont wrk, the voterz are an Islamic race

your old ass couldnt serve me at The Last Supper, If I was a dinner plate

My Flip
So this is ya LAST SUPPER you WAKK FUCKER! Ya raps is minor n ya schemes is thru!
I WON'T SERVE YOU LIKE A DINNER PLATE cuz you're an APPETIZER like FINGER FOOD

The FLIP is a major major weapon in any lyricist's arsenal,and it's incredibly valuable whether in text,track or live rap.I am honestly at a flat out loss as to how anybody could see it otherwise.That's like playing in the NFL and having a dope defense that not only can stop your opponent's greatest offensive weapon but STRIP THE BALL FROM HIM AND SCORE.Who would NOT want that defense? Who could even DARE TO DISS such an OBVIOUSLY GOOD THING? Flips don't strip YOUR offense,they STRIP YOUR OPPONENT'S OFFENSE AND ADD TO YOUR ATTACK POWER.

Feeding,imo,is based upon the bankrupt idea that FLIPS lack creativity or imagination...that the flipping lyricist proves by his/her/their flips that they lack the creativity to generate bars without referring to their opponent's bars.The problem with that is that it's not only NOT true,the people who have that idea have a narrowed idea of creativity; it's like people who love high scoring offense but fail to appreciate the vital necessity of a smothering defense or a lawyer who's good at attacking the other guy but has no ability to counter attacks aimed at him.It's preferring a brawler with no defensive ability but who has madd heart and slugfests over somebody like Sugar Ray Robinson or Muhammad Ali.It's understandable...but very flawed thinking imo.Sugar Ray Robinson beat The Raging Bull 5 of 6 times,and would have beaten him all 6 times had he not been so drained in the 14th round. Ali beat Frazier 2 of 3 times.Sugar Ray Leonard beat Duran and Hagler.Pernell thrashed Julio Cesar Chavez,despite the highway robbery sham of the decision against him. And that's what flips will do for you.

didn't read all that but, your whole second verse was a feed/flip of Jai's second and that to me in the text format is kinda played, a few lines maybe but i think someone of your caliber doesn't have to rely on what the other person said ENTIRELY

didn't read all that but, your whole second verse was a feed/flip of Jai's second and that to me in the text format is kinda played, a few lines maybe but i think someone of your caliber doesn't have to rely on what the other person said ENTIRELY

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First,thank you very much for the compliment about my "caliber".Lol.Second,perhaps you can read my post in pieces because I took the time to address that matter in depth.Third,if you actually count the bars that actually contain the flips themselves,they equate to maybe half my verse or very slightly more.To characterize my entire second round as being played because it flips is...strange to me.It's like dissing a defense that strips your opponent's offense of their strongest offensive weapons AND scores for you.Flipping is flipping and is viable in any form imho...but hey to each his own.

I can say 6 things from looking at this battle which is the main bench mark of this below explanataion, that with pretty much every thread i've read.

1 This site is full of talentless children.
2 Because of number 1, their votes are worthless.
3 Again, due to number 1 its pointless coing here in the first place if you have been around a while and know whats real because its a waste of time trying to explain/teach to people who show little or in most cases no tallant WHAT SO EVER.
4. Its due to the above THREE why this site is dead (which you all moan about).
5. Due to the above FOUR i deffinately won't be wasting my time battling clueless children.
6. Go back to school.

No personal disrepect intended directly at any individual here, but that is exactly how it is.

Flipping/feeding is a tactic used in real-time verbal battles preferably involving rounds. For a thread text battle I have never seen any flip, no matter how clever, treated as anything less than a dq. There is too much advantage.

Flipping/feeding is a tactic used in real-time verbal battles preferably involving rounds. For a thread text battle I have never seen any flip, no matter how clever, treated as anything less than a dq. There is too much advantage.

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There is no advantage.Both lyricists can flip each other's verses.The only separation would be one borne of skill,of merit,of ability...the things that battles are decided on.I cut my teeth on battle models that combined blind drops,verses without flips AND full on raw dawg battles with flips.This model tends to produce the superior lyricist overall because it forces you to work every area of your game at the same time.Similar to high end MMA guys being able to generally defeat boxers and kickboxers in all out scraps because they have more weapons,or decathletes being the best track athletes in the world,or the highly laudable Renaissance Man being superior to someone skilled in only one area.If you're a "one trick pony" you can't beat a multitalented stallion.