King Something:Jensaarai: soj4life: Jensaarai: So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens. What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham is not good for the sport. If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

But we saw what happens when they try to test potential compounds with a contemporary car. Everyone else shiats themselves with rage.

That's because of the rules regarding in-season testing. Teams are not allowed to test the current year's or previous year's car from ten days before the first race of the year to 31 Dec of the same year, but testing year-before-last's car and older cars is permitted. That's why Ferrari and Red Bull were unhappy with Mercedes' test.

/Mercedes' "punishment" was exclusion from this year's Young Driver Test

I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Jensaarai:I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES. How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

Perelli can make tyres that good.

F1 doesn't want tyres that good so Perrelli makes tyres that degrade quickly as per their contract.

Exactly. But then who is to blame -- Pirelli or F1? Or both?

Also they were talking about track changes this year -- are the kerbs new and could that be an issue?

F1 is to blame. Nothing is ever left to chance and Perrelli makes them to an exact spec. It should also be noticed that its only a couple of teams who are biatching and those are the teams who made cars that are hard on the tyres. Those teams that have made a car that is soft on its tyres don't have a problem.

If the car is eating its tyres then its a car and driver issue as every one knew what the Perrellis were like before the season started.

The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.

UNC_Samurai:Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

kidgenius:UNC_Samurai: Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

Jensaarai:soj4life: Jensaarai: So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens. What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham is not good for the sport. If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

But we saw what happens when they try to test potential compounds with a contemporary car. Everyone else shiats themselves with rage.

Yeah we see what happens when they try to test a new compound during a race weekend, Felipe and Ferrari are not going to past this weekend. What they need to do is bring back in season testing whenever and where ever teams want to.

That is why teams were mad at Mercedes AMG, they got a testing session without any concerns.

soj4life:Norfolking Chance: soj4life: The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.

You might be right but all the tyres have gone at exactly the same place so it could be the track as well. We won't know until later

Well two of the failures were near a corner, but two of them were on straightaways. Along with that, all were the same tire location. If there was anything on track, a different tire would have went.

Even those that let go on the straight you could see the tyre starting to deflate on the exit of the corner. It could be bad tyres, track issue or under-inflation by the teams. There was a 2psi spread in tyre pressure from the teams. Not a cut and dry issue.

I actually really liked what Grand-Am did with Watkins Glen last year - ran an endurance style race on the long course, then came back later in the season to do a sprint race on the short configuration.

Siamese Bream:Well, that race went from exasperating to tedious to hilarious to really quite exciting.

BBC had a look at turn 4 suggesting the kerb was excessively sharp and causing the tyre failures. Although Massa's happened right before it. Could be a contributing factor, though.

Gary Anderson: "We have heard a lot today about Turn 4 and we have come to have look at what could be causing these punctures. Looking at the part inside the kerb, it is green to match the grass but it is actually concrete. The cars go over the section and the sidewall of the tyre could be getting caught on a sharp part of the kerb, it is about the height we saw the tyre getting cut and coming off."