And I still do not like the HR character. What the hell is he supposed to be? Comic relief?

But the Flash and Kid Flash side by side... COOL!

Incidentally, the speed curve makes no sense. Yes, Barry won't be fast enough to cover that distance in that time to save Iris. Know how to address that? Move closer. Or get there sooner. That curve of movement depends on variables that are by NO means fixed.

Incidentally, the speed curve makes no sense. Yes, Barry won't be fast enough to cover that distance in that time to save Iris. Know how to address that? Move closer. Or get there sooner. That curve of movement depends on variables that are by NO means fixed.

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That's exactly what I said to the missus last night. They're basing their calculation on the fact he'll be exactly where he was when he went thru time. At that moment, then-current Flash can be who knows where? Why couldn't he be right next to them? Then-current Barry was never seen by time-travel Barry, so he could be anywhere.

The show seems to be marking time. Too much standing around talking, HR and Julian double the irritation quotation and having Barry and Wally together serves no useful purpose. Gypsy and Cisco? Are they trying to put together Justice League Detroit? Please tell me not!

I laughed two or three times during the episode, one of them with HR. I don't expect him to stay beyond this season, but it's funny to see such a different version of Harrison Wells. But what I enjoyed the most is having Cisco back. I mean, the cheerful Cisco that everybody loves.

I think the last episode was much better that the previous one, and probably one of the best of this season.

I like Cavanagh's varying takes on Wells. I'm sure there's a lot more that we'll find out about H.R. Unless we're not being told something, we already know he's trying to step up against Savitar in the 'distant' future of May.

I'm sick of things being up with various versions of Wells....as well as there being different versions of Wells.

I like H.R., and we'll probably get Harry returning (alongside Jesse) at some point. But unless they somehow bring back the real Harrison Wells from their Earth, I'd rather not see any more alternate Earth versions of Wells.

I've a feeling its going to take all the speedsters to beat Savitar. Including the surprise one that showed up on Legends of Tomorrow last week.

I was (foolishly, perhaps) hoping for the Gorilla City from the comics - an ADVANCED society (including a gorilla mother with a purse and her little gorilla boy... :) I was also hoping that Solovar would play a larger adversarial role to Grodd.

We learned that whatever Flash's costume is made of, it's not armored. The thing looks so damned bulky as it is... why not add some kevlar to it?

A couple questions about the Flash/Solovar fight. Why didn't Flash ever use the lightning attack against Solovar? My wife and I both agreed on the best attack against Solovar - a super speed vacuum. I don't recall that he's used that yet, but for a guy who time travels with some regularity, it seemed kind of easy. And why not just brute force? The Flash could have landed several hundred punches while Solovar was still turning around. I'm not sure I understood his strategy. Hit and run would probably have worked great - especially for the Flash.

But I was greatly interested in the episode and the story, and I'm really liking this season. And I cannot wait for the next four show crossover!

The Rogues are a real gem in the Flash mythos. I wish they were front and center in this show. But instead they keep on leaning on the Speed Force and the speedsters, which I find the least interesting aspect of the Flash.

If Wells is Jesse's father, doesn't that make him Johnny Quick? Tom Cavanagh has the same basic body and face type as Johnny! We don't really know much about Earth-2's Wells--it would be nice if they revealed more of his history (and Jesse's mother) or even gave him his speed formula now.

I don't agree that the season is tanking, but it's meandering a bit.... It feels like they lost a bit of focus somewhere along the way. Still a great show, but it's slipped. Honestly, as much as I love the character in the comics, Kid Flash has slowed this show down. Not good for a show called "The Flash".

For my wife and I, it's mostly the sheer tedium of the Iris West character. No slight on Candace Patton, who was very good in season one, but she's become such a drag on the tone of the show (please point me to an episode where she's happy and energetically engaged throughout). She is, as the saying goes, "A real Captain Bringdown." It's a little tough to care that much about the drive to stop her murder when I feel that it would improve the show.

I also would be more on board if the Barry/Iris romance hadn't added the brother/sister aspect to it, which actually bugs me more as the series goes on than less, because they've reinforced Joe's dad role with the simultaneous a) loss of Henry Allen, b) sibling rivalry between Barry and Wally, and c) the actual blossoming of the romance. Also, Candace Patton and Grant Gustin have kind of an anti-chemistry that makes scenes that focus on their relationship awkward and draggy, so having the entire back half of the season focus on Barry/Iris is both creepy and dramatically inert.

I expect that the solution to Savitar is to get ALL the speedsters (meaning they call in Jay) to join forces against him.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Black Flash shows up, either, since he's already popped up on Legends. (Yep, its Hunter Zolomon/Zoom, except he now has some red on his costume. Thought it was still all black when he got taken away?)

No slight on Candace Patton, who was very good in season one, but she's become such a drag on the tone of the show (please point me to an episode where she's happy and energetically engaged throughout).