FAQ: Using Acorns for Internet Access

The following document was posted to the usenet newsgroup
comp.sys.acorn.announce on 2nd November 1994

Issue 3, 1 November 1994
This FAQ brings together information and hints on using Acorn computers
(Archimedes, Risc PC etc) on the Internet. It is posted monthly to
comp.sys.announce, comp.sys.acorn and demon.ip.support.archimedes. It is
maintained by Kevin Quinn - please send any comments, suggestions,
corrections etc. to aifaq@banana.demon.co.uk.
Copyright 1994 Kevin Quinn. Freely distributable in unmodified form.
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1) What do I need to connect to the Internet?
First, you need a service provider. These come essentially in two
flavours; those providing direct IP access, and those providing access
to a machine they have on the Internet. Second, you need the relevant
software. The software you need depends on the type of service
provider.
To elaborate, service providers like Demon Internet Services provide
dial-up access to low-level Internet. This means that your machine is
actually a machine on the Internet, albeit intermittently. To
use this kind of service you need to run complex software on your
machine (known as TCP/IP software). You cannot use simple comms
software (Arcterm, Hearsay etc) to use this kind of service. You can
use any facilities of the Internet for which you have the relevant
software.
Services like CIX (Compulink Information eXchange) provide a facility
whereby their machine runs the TCP/IP software, and you get an account
on their machine. Essentially this means that your machine is used
as a terminal onto their machine. For this kind of service, you use
normal comms software (Arcterm, Hearsay etc). You can only run the
facilities that are available on the service provider's machine.
Increasingly, bulletin boards are providing "gateways" to the Internet,
usually for EMail and Network News (also known as Usenet). This is a
much more limited form of Internet access, but is much cheaper for
the user.
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2) Who can supply direct IP access?
At the moment there appears to be an explosion in the number of service
providers for the individual user. BT and the BBC for example are hoping
to provide this kind of service. However, services that are available
now include (I have limited this list to those providers who have
subscribers using Acorn machines):
a) Demon Internet Services (UK)
A UK-wide provider, cheap and effective. Mail internet@demon.net for
information. Or download ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/doc/Demon.txt. Points
of presence in many areas, supplying local-call access to a large
number of subscribers. Tel: (081) 349 0063
Support available in the newsgroup demon.ip.support.archimedes.
b) Stichting Knoware (NL)
Supplies service to the Netherlands. Email to knoware@knoware.nl for
information. !TCPIP works with this service, as does !ReadNews.
Michiel Koolen (mkoolen@trickbox.knoware.nl) runs their Archimedes
support.
There are a couple of lists available that are more comprehensive; a list
of UK providers can be found via ftp from ftp.demon.co.uk as
/pub/archives/uk-internet-list/inetuk.lng. There is an international
list distributed from - send email with
"Send PDIAL" as the text body to get the latest version.
*** Please send in any not listed here that have subscribers ***
*** using Acorn systems. Include any information concerning ***
*** setting up that would be of use to new users. ***
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3) Who can supply indirect access?
There are many of these. They can usually be used with normal comms
software, eg. Arcterm, Hearsay etc.
a) CIX - Compulink Information eXchange
A London-based conferencing system, also providing email, ftp, telnet,
irc, gopher, www etc. Email: cixadmin@cix.compulink.co.uk,
Tel: 081 390 8446. Join conference "archimedes" or "bbc" to find
other Acorn users.
b) Compuserve
A large international conferencing system (albeit with a heavy US
bias). Currently provides an EMail interface and access to the Usenet
News (GO INTERNET). More comprehensive internet access is planned,
probably before the end of the year. Forum UKCOMP topic Acorn/Z88 is
the place to find other Acorn users.
Tel: London (081) 801 2001, Birmingham (021) 632 4858,
Reading (0734) 391 064 or 569 025, Bristol (0272) 255 111
c) Many bulletin boards provide EMail and limited newsgroup access;
among the more popular Archimedes boards are Arcade (0181 654 2212
24hrs most speeds), The Digital Databank (0707) 329306 24hrs most
speeds) and The World Of Cryton (0749 670030 24hrs most speeds).
These also hold lists of other Acorn-relevant bulletin boards.
*** Please send in any not listed here that have subscribers ***
*** using Acorn systems. ***
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4) What software do I need for direct access services?
There are several options. Under RISC OS, there is !TCPIP, also known as
KA9Q (the call-sign of the radio ham who first wrote it for the PC), and
Acorn's TCP/IP Suite, although you need a suitable driver for dial-up use
(Gnome Software market a SLIP driver). Most software that makes use of
the serial port will need !SerialDev, the serial device drivers. These
are written by Hugo Fiennes (altman@cryton.demon.co.uk) and are available
from most sources of Acorn software.
Under RISCiX, everything you need should already be there. You should
find that most UNIX sofware compiles without too much trouble (see
below). Running X-Windows (and hence graphical WWW clients like
X-Mosaic) is possible, if a little slow.
4.1) Issues relating to !TCPIP - the port of KA9Q
a) Where can I find it?
Latest versions of the software can be found via ftp from ftp.demon.co.uk
in /pub/archimedes. Other popular sites that carry copies include Hensa
(micros.hensa.ac.uk), Stuttgart (ftp.uni-stuttgart.de). Can also be
found on Compuserve (GO UKCOMP), and bulletin boards (eg. Arcade, The
Digital Databank). You will also need dialling software; this can be
your normal comms software, but dedicated diallers are better - !Slipdial
and !Calldemon are available from the same sources as above.
b) Who develops/developed it?
Currently maintained by Anthony Frost (vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk, G8UDV)
and Adam Goodfellow (email to tcpip2@comptech.demon.co.uk for
TCPIP-related stuff).
Original software for DOS by Phil Karn (KA9Q), first ported to the
Archimedes by Jonathan Naylor (G4KLX).
c) Does it work on the Risc PC?
As of version 2.01, it works well.
d) News is taking ages - how can I speed it up?
This often happens if you don't connect for a week - the retrieval of
messages over a day or two old seems to take forever. The solution is
to edit the "DemLast" file to a more recent date. The problem will
probably vary in severity depending on the speed of (and load on) your
local news server. The DemLast file is found inside ...!TCPIP.nntp
on versions of !TCPIP up to 2.00f, from 2.01 onwards it is found
in !TCPIPUser.NNTP.
e) !TCPIP (KA9Q) crashes with "Bad Memory Access".
Several possible causes,
i) long lines in the "DemGroup" file - split into two or more lines.
ii) Forgetting to surroung numeric addresses with square brackets -
use "[127.0.0.1]" not "127.0.0.1". From version 2.01 this is not
a problem - both forms of address are accepted.
iii) "DemHist" file over ~20K. Quick solution is to delete the file,
the problem will then go away (until DemHist grows too big again!)
DemHist should be "trimmed" regularly, by deleting some lines
from the beginning of the file (it doesn't matter how many, as
long as you delete whole lines and the resulting file is
a fair bit under 20K).
The best way to do this is to use the likes of !SlipDial, which
can automatically trim the file each time you connect.
This should also not be a problem from version 2.01 onwards,
although it is still a good idea to trim the DemHist file regularly
for speed.
f) !TCPIP (KA9Q) can't find a site.
If the machine that "resolve" uses to resolve hostnames is down, then
the site will not be found. Unfortunately, this information is "cached",
i.e. the resolver remembers that the site is unavailable and next time
you can't get to it even if the resolve server is back up. Type
"resolve purge" to clear the cache, and try again.
Resolve as implemented in !TCPIP currently can only resolve one hostname
at a time - if a second request is made before the first is completed then
the site comes back as unknown. This has the same effect on the resolve
cache as above; solution is to type "resolve purge" in the same way.
e) How do I configure !TCPIP (KA9Q) for setups other than Demon?
Knoware works with a similar setup to Demon's - contact Michiel Koolen
for details (mkoolen@trickbox.knoware.nl).
The main differences on other systems are the connection sequence (for
which a suitable !SlipDial script is required) and the host names of
the relevant mail and news servers.
4.2) Issues relating to the TCPIP suite (Acorn)
Contains a good VT220 emulation, and a basic TCP/IP stack. Does not
provide SMTP (email) or NNTP (network news) at the moment. The suite
provides a Berkeley socket look-alike interface, which should enable
software to be ported without too much difficulty, however I am unaware
of any such available software.
A SLIP driver (IP-SLIP) is available fromn Gnome Computers, Cambridge,
which is needed for dial-up connections. Gnome can also supply a
DOMAIN module which provides domain-name lookup.
4.3) Issues relating to RiscIX and the TCP/IP stack.
As said above, this is not a problem for those who know UNIX.
Some things worth noting, however. Get the kernel kit from Acorn or
Granada MicroCare, and build a kernel with PPP support built-in, then
compile PPPD. Use ifconfig etc. to configure the routeing. This is too
complex a process to describe in detail here, and you should only do this
sort of thing if you know what you are doing anyway! There is also a
"BIND" patch, which reduces dependency on the local hosts databases.
Granada MicroCare are on Harrogate (0423) 525412.
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5) What software do I need for indirect access?
All that is needed here is normal comms software, like !Arcterm 7 from
The Serial Port and !Hearsay from Beebug. Both are perfectly competent;
both have many satisfied users. There is a little public domain
software, !ZAnsi includes ZModem file transfer which is the most
efficient commonly used transfer protocol in the BBS world.
As with indirect access, message reading and composing can usually be
done on-line; however this can get expensive as you end up spending a lot
of money on your 'phone bill. To alleviate this problem, OLRs (Off-Line
Readers) are available. !ReaderS from Anthony Frost supports several
BBS formats, including those used by most Acorn-related bulletin boards.
For CompuServe, a package is available from Richard Proctor called
!Arctic. See below for further information.
Arcterm 7 and Hearsay both provide scripting facilities which allow
automation of sessions. Scripts are available for several bulletin
boards, and also for CIX.
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6) What newsreaders are there for the Acorn range?
There are no commercial newsreaders (yet). However there are several
PD and Shareware/Careware newsreaders around. A few months ago there
were only two real contenders here (!ReadNews and !ReaderS), but all of
a sudden we are spoilt for choice! I could say something about public
transport and buses here...
In an attempt at not appearing biased, I have listed them in alphabetic
order. I hope that any comments I have made are fair - people get very
touchy about their favourite newsreader, source of many a flame war!.
a) !Arctic
This is dedicated to CompuServe, currently supports conference
messaging, mail, and file transfers amongst other things. Available
from the UKCOMP forum (Acorn/Z88 topic) and from good bulletin boards.
It is shareware, registration currently costs 10 UKP. It automates
reading, posting, file upload and downloads amongst other things. For
further information contact Richard Proctor on Compuserve (user ID
100031.604) or as rjp@waveney.demon.co.uk on the Internet.
Current hints:
None really. Make sure you have the latest version (currently 2.43)
as Compuserve have recently upgraded their system. Note that it
only works with Compuserve at the moment.
b) !EasyMail
A newcomer to the scene, this news/email reader also handles message
downloads from BBS systems running ArcBBS (including Arcade, The
Digital Databank and The World of Cryton). Written by Marc L.Veary,
marc@mlveary.demon.co.uk.
c) !News
This has only recently appeared on ftp.demon.co.uk in /pub/archimedes.
Haven't had time to try it out yet...
Written by Timothy Kimber (ceetnk@caledonia.hw.ac.uk term time,
tim@mobius.demon.co.uk other times)
d) !News-o-saurus
This is a single-tasking newsreader (i.e. doesn't use any nice
windows!) and needs a large amount of RAM (2Mb+), as it is written
in Perl.
However, it doesn't crash, and handles threads very well. Similar
in style to "rn" et. al. on UNIX systems.
In my opinion it has the best threading capability of the available
newsreaders that I've seen.
Written by Martin Portman (martin@tumble.demon.co.uk).
"Freeware".
Current hints:
None really. Does what it does without much difficulty. If it fails
to run, this is invariably due to lack of memory. Increase the
wimpslot (edit the !Run file) and try again.
e) !ReaderS
This is a general-purpose reader that caters for Bulletin Boards
as well as interfacing with !TCPIP. It provides good navigation
of threads, but doesn't follow this through when posting messages.
Also a little unstable for Internet access at the time of writing.
Easy to set up. Good option if you already use it for BBS use.
Written by Anthony Frost (vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk).
"Careware".
Current hints:
a) !ReaderS locks up when I try to start it
The !MailDir application MUST have been seen by the filer
before !ReaderS is used for News and Email. !MailDir is the
repository for incoming and outgoing mail with !TCPIP (KA9Q).
As of version 2.01 of !TCPIP, a new application !TCPIPUser
replaces !MailDir, and in this case !TCPIPUser must be seen
by the filer.
b) When !ReaderS crashes, just try again. The only reliable way to
get !ReaderS working when it repeatedly crashes is to delete the
message database (unfortunately). Delete the file "DemMail" from
the !ReadBack application.
f) !ReadNews
A competent newsreader. Many facilities; easy to add your own.
Unfortunately suffers from a limit of 77 article per newsgroup,
and doesn't provide any neat threading facilities. A little daunting
to set up initially as it was written to interface with !RUCP, not
!TCPIP. Read the help files supplied with (at least) the versions
on ftp.demon.co.uk for step-by-step instructions.
New version (0.31) imminent, which will solve the 77-arcticle limit,
the spurious CTRL-A that appears between postings and the signature,
and it should also simplify the setting up procedure.
Written by Julian Wright (jwright@comp.vuw.ac.nz)
"Freeware".
Current hints:
1) To solve the CTRL-A problem (see above), select
Options->Signature->Script from the main menu.
2) Article limit. No real reliable solution here (that I know of)
You can try using the likes of !Memphis to support more than
77 files in the News subdirectory structure, but this is slow
and unreliable.
3) Having trouble setting up?
a) You need to set up !RUCP - however only bits of it are
relevant. The files you need are !Boot, !Run, Passwd,
SystemRC, Systems, the directory trees UserHome and uucp.
In the "Systems" file, the actual details are ignored by
!ReadNews, the important thing is to write one line for
"news" and one for "post" on a Demon setup, so that !ReadNews
knows about the NNTP server and mail server respectively.
In the "SystemRC" file, set "MailServ=post", leave the rest
alone. In the "!Boot" file, set RUCP$NodeName to your node
name (the first word in your hostname, for example my hostname
is banana.demon.co.uk, so my node name is banana). Set
RUCP$Domain to the domain name (in my case demon.co.uk) and
RUCP$User to your normal username. That should complete
the setting up required for !Rucp.
b) With the latest version of !Incorp, the debatcher that goes
with !ReadNews no longer needs the filters needed for previous
versions. However to work properly with !TCPIP (KA9Q) you
need to ensure that the mail separator is ^A - to do this
change the "Config" file in !TCPIP so that it reads:
smtp separator ^A
Although "smtp separator rnews" would be quicker, it fails
because !TCPIP (KA9Q) adds an extra line between mail messages
for some reason. Future versions of either !TCPIP or !Incorp
may cure this, which would speed up debatching considerably.
The default setup of !TCPIP (KA9Q) comes configured with
"smtp separator from", which causes the machine to crash
needing a CTRL-Break when used with !Incorp.
c) !ReadNews itself is simple, just copy it along with !Incorp
into your internet directory.
g) !TTFN and !NewsBase
Together these form an excellent pair. TTFN is a news/email reader,
NewsBase is a news database thingy. TTFN looks somewhat like
!ReadNews, but is far superior. A lot of effort appears to have been
made to make them easy to configure, automatically picking information
up from !TCPIP (KA9Q).
Currently !NewsBase only supports !TCPIP (KA9Q). !TTFN supports
whatever !NewsBase supports.
Latest versions available from ftp.demon.co.uk in the Archimedes
section.
TTFN written by Robert Orwin (ttfn@wong.demon.co.uk)
Newsbase written by Graham Allan (allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu)
Current hints:
None, really. A newcomer to the scene, no time do develop serious
problems, and setting up really is a doddle.
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7) Can I use WWW, Gopher etc. on my Acorn?
There is now a Gopher client, written by Anthony Frost, available for
ftp from ftp.demon.co.uk which interfaces with !TCPIP (KA9Q) v2.01.
Well done Anthony. The gopher client allows access to Veronica, which
is a search utility linked to gopher.
And now there is also a Web client! ArcWeb, written by Stewart Brodie
is available from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes/www. Currently
lacking "Forms", but this is on the way. Other products are on their
way - Doggysoft are hoping that !Termite will support WWW etc. fairly
soon.
There are also public access clients available via TELNET which
provide access to the facilities without the need for local
client software. There is a trade off in speed and often
functionality, but it's better than nothing. For most of these
types of facility you need a telnet client capable of supporting
VT100 terminal emulation (or above). !TCPIP (KA9Q) supports this, as
does Acorn's TCP/IP suite, which includes a VT220 emulator.
Here is a list of sites for various facilities:
*** I'd like to list other facilities, please make suggestions, ***
*** If you know of any other public access sites, please let ***
*** me know - it's a bit unfair to direct everyone to the same ***
*** place if there is more than one! ***
a) WWW (World Wide Web)
The following public-access Lynx clients are available (Lynx is a text
based WWW browser; no pictures and sound but it's better than nothing):
telnet www.tecc.co.uk 9001 (The "9001" is very important)
telnet www.info.cern.ch
b) Gopher
If you don't use !TCPIP (KA9Q), for which there is a client availabe
via ftp from ftp.demon.co.uk, the following Public-access gopher
clients are available via telnet:
telnet gopher.brad.ac.uk
telnet panda.uiowa.edu
You can also access gopher through the World Wide Web. In other
words you can get at it via public-access Lynx clients (see (a)
above). Press "g" to perform a "goto", then type in:
gopher://
c) IRC
telnet to irc.demon.co.uk, for a public access IRC client. Be
prepared to be on-line for a long time...
As far as indirect access is concerned, the above public access
clients are of course still available to those services supplying
telnet access. CIX supplies its own facilties for the above,
again running text-only versions for VT100-capable terminals.
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8) Serial ports, transfer rates and other mysteries.
a) Serial ports and SerialDev.
The various different models of Acorn Archimedes et. seq. computers have
different capabilities with respect to their in-built serial ports. The
older machines often have difficulty above 9600bps. There are two
modules available via ftp from ftp.acorn.co.uk in /pub/riscos/patches
which alleviate problems (Risc OS 3.11 does not need these as they are
already on ROM). This should enable reliable communication at 9600bps
and possibly at 19.2Kbps
The other solution is to purchase one of the serial port cards available.
These give high-speed capability, and recoup their cost rapidly. Go for
one that can support 115200bps - this may seem excessive but the V34
standard has now been ratified which gives a modem-modem speed
of 28800bps; with V42bis compression this can theoretically come though
to the computer at up to 4x28800=115200bps.
In order to assist software to communicate with the various serial port
systems, Hugo Fiennes developed the "Serial Block Drivers", which are
needed for most comms software. They are available as an application
called !SerialDev from most sources.
b) Transfer rates.
With a 14.4Kbps V32bis modem, you should be able to get up to 1400 bytes
per second when transferring binary files (i.e. files that are compressed)
with FTP, and up to 2500 bytes per second and above when transferring
text files. Note however that transfer rates also depend on the speed of
the route between your service provider and the machine at the other end.
Often this can reduce flow considerably.
In this case, find out if your service provider supplies a "BatchFTP"
service, where you can send mail to one of their machines which will then
transfer the required file to their own machine, from which you can
download the file at full speed later on. Both Demon and CIX supply this
service at no extra charge.
c) UUencoding, Tar, Zip etc.
When a binary file is sent over the Network News system, it has to be
coded in ASCII as the news system does not generally support 8-bit
transfer. In this case the most common form of encoding is called
"UUEncoding". The results are distinguishable by long files of gibberish
where the first letter of each line is "M". To decode these files, you
need "UUDecode", a version of which is available from all the usual
places.
If a file is very long, it is often split into several parts. To decode
these files, they need to be recombined before decoding. Often, due to
the way the news system operates, the parts can become jumbled. They
should be labelled "part 2 of 3" etc to enable reliable recombination.
There are several utilities which can do this for you automatically; for
example !UUExplode, which is available from the usual sources. This
enables you to double-click on a file of type UUEncode (7FE) and watch it
explode into the decoded files automatically. Some newsreaders will
cope with this, automatically glueing multi-part uuencoded files together
for easy decode (the only available one that does at the moment is
!ReadNews).
Once you have the decoded file, it will often be an archive of some sort,
probably compressed. Most software repositories which deal with
Archimedes software use "!Spark" from David Pilling to archive and
compress the software. !SparkPlug is available in the public domain to
decompress such archives. The other utility commonly used is !ArcFS, as
used by the various Acorn magazines for their cover discs. This is
read-only; !ArcFSR/W is the read/write version, and is available
commercially from most outlets.
In the PC world, the most common utility is "PKZIP", these files can be
noted by their ".zip" suffix. !SparkFS supports the PKZIP format. And
of course you could use PKZIP itself with a PC Emulator if you have one.
In the UNIX world, a combination of "tar" and "compress" are used,
versions of which are available for the Archimedes. "tar" takes a set of
files and combines them into one file, and "compress" compresses files.
Usually such "tarchives" are noticeable by the ".tar.Z" suffix.
Sometimes "GNUZip" is used instead of "compress", in which case the
suffix is ".tar.gz". A port of GNUZip is also available from the usual
sources.
SparkFS from David Pilling also handles uuencoded and ".tar.Z" stuff.
However it doesn't cope with multi-part uuencoded postings if they
arrive out of order. As far as ".tar" and ".Z" are concerned it is
complete.
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9) Use of TCP/IP over packet radio.
!TCPIP (KA9Q) is well suited to running TCP/IP over packet radio; after
all that is what it was written for in the first place. However there
are strict (global) regulations regarding what can and cannot be
transmitted over the amateur bands. This technically outlaws copying
stuff to and from the Internet without taking care to vet all material.
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Appendix A: List of Software including where to find it
Arcterm7
Most Acorn retailers, or direct from The Serial Port.
Arctic
Compuserve (UKFORM Acorn/Z88), Arcade, The Digital Databank.
CallDemon
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
Gopher
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
Hearsay
Most Acorn retailers, or direct from Beebug
Newsbase and TTFN
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
News-o-saurus
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes (soon!)
ReaderS
Direct from Anthony Frost (vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk)
ReadNews, Incorp, RUCP and filters
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
RiscIX related software
Granada Microcare
SerialDev
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
SlipDial
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
Spark, SparkFS, Sparkplug
Sparkplug can be found in most public places. Spark and SparkFS are
available direct from David Pilling, email david@pilling.demon.co.uk
TCPIP (KA9Q)
FTP from ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/archimedes
TCP/IP Suite
Most Acorn retailers. SLIP driver and DOMAIN module available from
Gnome Computers.
Unix utilities, tar, compress, gzip etc.
Try Hensa (micros.hensa.ac.uk) or the Acorn-related bulletin boards,
e.g. Arcade and The Digital Databank. David Pilling has ported many
unix utilities, email david@pilling.demon.co.uk.
Zansi
Available on good Acorn-related BBS systems
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Appendix B: Contact Addresses mentioned elsewhere in this FAQ
Anthony Frost:
Email vulch@kernow.demon.co.uk
Adam Goodfellow:
Email tcpip2@comptech.demon.co.uk for !TCPIP (KA9Q) related stuff,
otherwise email adam@comptech.demon.co.uk for
Arcade BBS:
Tel: Modem (081) 654 2212, (081) 655 4412 most speeds.
Beebug:
Tel: St. Albans (0727) 860263
CIX (Compulink Information eXchange):
Tel: London (081) 390 8446 or email cixadmin@cix.compulink.co.uk
Modem 081 390 1255/1244 most speeds
CompuServe:
Tel: London (081) 801 2001, Birmingham (021) 632 4858,
Reading (0734) 391 064 or 569 025, Bristol (0272) 255 111
David Pilling:
Email david@pilling.demon.co.uk
Demon Internet Services:
Tel: London (081) 349 0063 or email internet@demon.net
The Digital Databank BBS:
Tel: Modem 0707 329306 most speeds
Gnome Computers:
Tel: Huntingdon (0480) 406 164
Graham Allan:
Email allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu.
Granada Microcare:
Tel: Harrogate (0423) 525 412
Hugo Fiennes:
Email: altman@cryton.demon.co.uk (see also The Serial Port)
Julian Wright:
Email jwright@comp.vuw.ac.nz
Risc Developments:
Have gone into receivership. Direct any queries to Beebug (see above)
Robert Orwin:
Email ttfn@wong.demon.co.uk for !TTFN related stuff, otherwise
email rob@wong.demon.co.uk.
Stichting Knoware (NL)
Email knoware@knoware.nl
The Serial Port:
Tel: Wells (0749) 670058
The World Of Cryton BBS - Modem 0749 670030 most speeds
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Credits:
This list only contains those who contributed information to the FAQ.
Many more people have helped in the formation of this FAQ, and their
efforts are much appreciated, however to list them all would result
in a FAQ twice the size it is already!
Paul Allen
Simon Glass
Adam Goodfellow
Tony Howat
John Jervis
Clive Jones
Michiel Koolen
Gareth Rowlands
Jeff Williams
James Woodman
Julian Wright
Comments, suggestions etc. to aifaq@banana.demon.co.uk (Kevin F. Quinn).