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Helm of the Host Discussion

9 hours ago

I just realized that I misread Geralf's Messenger. It only targets one opponent for the 2 damage instead of all opponents. My bad. I take back that recommendation. What's wrong with Unearth? It hits 12 out of 22 creatures in this deck. It essentially gives those 12 creatures flashback for only one black mana. While Plague Belcher is the only creature among those 12 which would come back stronger when brought back with Unearth than with
The Scarab God
, Unearth still costs 3 less mana. Plus, it can cycle and it doesn't exile the spells. It simply brings them back.

Since Josu Vess's kicker cost can only be paid when its cast from your hand (a.k.a. useless in The Scarab God's eyes), he's almost useless in the graveyard. That's true, but I've had a lot of fun with him in recent weeks. He's a bomb that, when kicked in a standard or modern game, almost always made my opponents scoop. We can agree to disagree about Josu Vess's worthiness as a mana sync. For me, his flavor makes him worthy.

17 hours ago

Thanks WanderingSpirit! For now I'm not using Helm of the Host because the other token makers can make tokens of multiple creatures in one turn, and because there are no legendary creatures I need to copy, but if there are suitable legendary enchantments printed in the future I would certainly try it.

1 day ago

Driemer84: Honestly, I've pulled off several victories with Lightning Runner. I only have to have 4 attacking copies and it goes infinite (which is surprisingly easy here). Also, some of my favorite art ever, haha.

I have a Grim Monolith, Mana Vault, and Chrome Mox sitting around, but honestly I hadn't thought they'd fit super well here. Grim Monolith and Mana Vault are "one use" artifacts most of the time, and this deck wants to be able to use mana from its rocks multiple times rather than once in a large burst. Meanwhile, I don't want to sacrifice the card advantage from Chrome Mox, especially in a deck with a relatively high colorless percentage.

Arcane Artisan has been AMAZING. Sneak Attack a bit less so, honestly? But I've paired it with Helm of the Host in the past to do some really silly things, and it helps me get copiable creatures out early so I can clone them with token-making effects (which usually wins the game if I have a couple other tokens to replicate into copies of them.

2 days ago

2 days ago

While Helm of the Host has its value, the main creatures we are looking to make tokens of are non legendary. While it would be nice to have a board of brudicalds or krenkos, you have to remember that it’s 9 mana while that mana could be used to cast and copy a Scuttling Doom Engine or Hellrider and win that turn.

2 days ago

If i may. I would like to recommend Helm of the Host of this deck. My reason for this is because it can copy Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer or one of the multiple legendary creatures. With multiple of your commander you can create more tokens and therefore give you more creatures to turn into something bigger. The other legendaries can benifit a bit from this artifact choice as well when you copy them.

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