By the way, if JP Morgan were planning to cut jobs, why are they still recruiting like gangbusters? We're genuinely struggling to get any graduates or interns in the door thanks to them vacuuming up all the Scotch code monkeys and sums jockeys. Their Glasgow office alone appears to have a dedicated recruitment team of around twenty people.

I was going to ask what took them so long, then I realised that the goal is to have the case heard just before March 2019, to start the clock running all over again. ____________________Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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What a load of old, runny toss.... A monumental cock-up from start to, well, I was going to say 'finish', but a conclusion seems further away now.

What we know so far is that we will have to continue to pay for the things that we want, whilst also having to pay and adhere to the things we don't. All this without having a bod at the table to influence our future.

I am beginning to come round to the view that we either stay in or pull up the physical, legal and fiscal drawbridge now and be damned with the consequences. Staying in maintains a status quo that a significant minority of our electorate voted against, whereas pulling up the drawbridge will wreck our economy and our kid's life-chances.

What a load of old, runny toss.... A monumental cock-up from start to, well, I was going to say 'finish', but a conclusion seems further away now.

What we know so far is that we will have to continue to pay for the things that we want, whilst also having to pay and adhere to the things we don't. All this without having a bod at the table to influence our future.

I am beginning to come round to the view that we either stay in or pull up the physical, legal and fiscal drawbridge now and be damned with the consequences. Staying in maintains a status quo that a significant minority of our electorate voted against, whereas pulling up the drawbridge will wreck our economy and our kid's life-chances.

The choice therefore is either upset a minority of the population, or upset everybody....

Precisely. Staying in keeps us on the slippery slope to a unelected, unaccountable superstate with a single tax system (the core coercive power of the State), and a German run military deployed on its streets rather than its borders - dangerouse fantasy!

Diggs wrote:

pulling up the drawbridge will wreck our economy and our kid's life-chances.

Why do you believe that? Is it because there's been yet another "leak" from the same Project Fear EUrophile mandarins who have been confidently predicting imminent doooom for knocking on two years now? They can't predict 15 minutes ahead, what chance they can do 15 years?

Lest we forget:

Guido wrote:

The HMT prediction for GDP 3 months after the referendum was that “the UK economy would fall into recession” and contract up to -1%. It grew +0.5% in this period.

The Treasury told us: “The analysis shows that immediately following a vote to leave the EU, the economy would be pushed into a recession, with four quarters of negative growth.” The reality has been positive growth every single quarter since.

HMT forecast that in the two years following a Leave vote GDP would fall between -3% and -6%. GDP grew by 1.9% in 2016 and 1.8% in 2017, with better than expected growth in the final quarter. There is now no recession forecast.

On unemployment, they infamously said it would rise by between 500,000 and 820,000 in the immediate aftermath of the referendum. Unemployment fell again last week to a four-decade low.

And the Treasury said government borrowing would rise by up to £39 billion immediately after the vote. Instead borrowing for the financial year to date is down 12% on the same period last year. That’s the lowest year-to-date total since 2007.

What a load of old, runny toss.... A monumental cock-up from start to, well, I was going to say 'finish', but a conclusion seems further away now.

What we know so far is that we will have to continue to pay for the things that we want, whilst also having to pay and adhere to the things we don't. All this without having a bod at the table to influence our future.

I am beginning to come round to the view that we either stay in or pull up the physical, legal and fiscal drawbridge now and be damned with the consequences. Staying in maintains a status quo that a significant minority of our electorate voted against, whereas pulling up the drawbridge will wreck our economy and our kid's life-chances.

The choice therefore is either upset a minority of the population, or upset everybody....

I may be thick, lazy and close-minded, and unable to recognise irony, however in my somewhat dim state I still retain a suspicion of statistics when offered to support a particular agenda.... As any thick person knows, pay somebody to produce stats and they produce the stats you want to read. If somebody with a different agenda paid for some projections based upon likely long-term market stability... you get my drift....

As any thick person knows, pay somebody to produce stats and they produce the stats you want to read. If somebody with a different agenda paid for some projections based upon likely long-term market stability... you get my drift....

I am a toss-arguer by profession and well versed in the concept of offering a paid view.....

The way to counter this is to look at the raw data and to run it yourself. Excel and derivatives of are cheap.

You also want to consider contra-entries and eliminate them from being counted on both sides.*

This is not always possible because there is Qualitative data instead quantitative data.

Once you've done this you can change them into comparable statistics for differing population size vs TV fire sticks or kodi boxes. You put it per 100,000 to make them mostly comparable.

*an example of this is gold. £10bn comes in and £10bn goes out. This nets down to £0bn. Change the dates a little and boom UK exports £10bn of gold. Somebody then comes along and think wait where does it come from and realises the ruse.____________________Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it﻿ is worth watching.

I still retain a suspicion of statistics when offered to support a particular agenda

My point is that the same bunch of Deep State propagandists who produced and leaked this lot of predictions are the same bunch who were wrong and wrong and wrong and wrong in their previous predictions about #Brexit.

And not just wrong in scale, but wrong in sign. The opposite of correct.

I don't have the time to follow much that is said here, so my apologies if I have missed the point.

Are you suggesting therefore that the BBC shouldn't run a story that if taken as a series of bullet-points and with limited historic context could possibly support Brexit? I thought such stories (if not the subject matter) were the bread and butter of our glorious media and what we pay our license fee for.

To be grudgingly fair, they did quote both Duncan and Smith as saying that "almost (sic) every single forecast [by the treasury] on Brexit has been wrong". What they didn't do, unlike Guido, is to list all the ways that they've been wrong, in embarrassing detail.

I did like the Sir Humpheys raging that Steve Baker MP (biker, decent chap) just laughed off the relentless (and wrong) doom-mongering in the document that they leaked to the press for political reasons.

I don't have the time to follow much that is said here, so my apologies if I have missed the point.

Are you suggesting therefore that the BBC shouldn't run a story that if taken as a series of bullet-points and with limited historic context could possibly support Brexit? :

No merely that you should use multiple sources for your information and then make your mind up independently.

Thus if the BBC is biased in one direction look at something biased the other way. You should be able to make a conclusion somewhere between the two.

The issue though is some do not rely on multiple sources. The BBC being contentious because unlike skynews, RT, CCTV or whatever you can't avoid it as you have to pay for it.____________________Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it﻿ is worth watching.

Clinton II couldn't bribe her electorate directly though, just with promises of more free stuff stolen from 3rd parties..

Best for Britain - started by a millionaire Guyanese trophy-wife, funded by a billionaire Hungarian swindler, and fronted by the bung taking "British Barack Obama" looks to have enough to actually buy a few MPs outright.

Remember, Parliament gets to vote on the final everything-is-decided deal, and they're already mostly Remoaners. Given the slightest excuse they'll vote their conscience / for the good of the country.

When - not if - they strike it down and we go over the hard (i.e. real) #Brexit cliff edge while the autistic shrieking of Project Fear reaches fever pitch, what follows?

It'll certainly bring down Sharia May, as a reward for delivering exactly what they want.

Just carving off a piece for himself, like everyone. I see Brussels thinks we'll give them Norn Ireland as the price of (non) freedom.

Might actually not be such a bad idea. We could do a population swap with the billions of Europe-Firsters who are super cereal that they're going to leave Britain after the Brexit vote / Article 50 / start of transition / end of transition.____________________Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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