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coffeybean

nblottie wrote:I have to say, you my friend are a illustration power house. All of your entries are great and are top notch quality! Keep up the awesome work and you'll score a print in no time. Best of luck!

Thanks nblottie. I'm not sure about the whole power house thing, though. I just wish I would have found out about the whole derby thing sooner. It's a good challenge.

omarfeliciano

coffeybean

drewpac18 wrote:I'm not a fan of the overuse of scarfs (scarves?) that's been going on with this derby, but yours are so ridiculous that they actually work perfectly.

Yeah, I see your point. I have to admit I've been struggling with this theme so I kinda fell back on the scarf as an easy hipster tie in. Plus, I was trying to keep the clothing on these guys to a minimum and the scarves seemed like the best "hipster" accessory to do the job. Glad it still worked for ya.

heysammyk

Ack! A redo from my last entry because, well, I'm a newbie, and didn't realize Woot can't print as high as I had the dotted lines (*shakes fists at invisible woot in the room*). Please vote again if you liked it! (Thank you, JadenKale)

chumpmagic

You can say he's wrong and hold a differing opinion, but his explanation ("excuses") seems to have some thought behind it...

Haha! You fool... That just what he wants you to think!

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But seriously, hear me out because this BENEFITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THE MOST (people who purchase his designs). Woot uses pantone solid coated colors for printing. Pantone solid coated colors are a set range of color, similar to having a box of color markers. It is limited, and not every color is available through the Pantone Solid coated collection. This means, if you don't pantone solid coated colors, then the art you submit to woot has absolutely 0% chance of looking similar to the art when printed. This means that the design you are viewing, voting for and potential purchasing WILL NEVER BE the same as the design you will get. This is what RamyB does, and he as openly admitted it above.

And yes, his responses are excuses. There is no way to justify not using a Pantone Solid Coated swatch (we should be designing for t-shirt prints... not computer screens, right?). All he did was beat around the bush and avoid giving a direct response. And if you know anything about the topic at hand (which I can only assume you don't), you would know that most of his arguments/ excuses are hogwash. Do you know about digital art and printing? If you do, then you should understand why I didn't care for his "classy" replies.

And for the record, RamyB has had issue with his prints in the past. He just avoided bringing it up because its a bad time to admit it. I seen many people complain about "Behold a pale horse" (or w/e that design is called), being way to dark to a point where you can only make out the horse. Also, I remember stumbling across this bad print . I don't even follow ramyB for the most part and that are two bad prints (there are probably more), and it is most likely because he doesn't properly set up his files. Yes, woot can go back and change them... and they did. However, every time they do that, they are losing money for something that isn't their fault. So yes, it does hurt someone... it hurts woots as well as the customers that have to go through this whole ordeal.

Really, you shouldn't be defending on this one... I am not attacking him "just because." Converting your colors to a Pantone Solid Coated swatch is a very simple easy thing to do, and IT'S FOR YOUR (you the purchaser of ramyB shirts) OWN BENEFIT!!!

ramyb

I thought you were going to agree to disagree, but your goal is starting to look a little different (although that was clear from the beginning when you chose to single out this design when you know that it is far from the only one that is "guilty" of not utilizing pantone colors).

There is a big difference between an excuse and an opinion. I presented a clear argument that you chose to entirely ignore and simply repeat what you had already stated. Putting words in caps doesn't make it stronger the second time around, it just makes it clear that you are here to argue.

I understand exactly your point, and it's a fair one. And you did ask nicely in the first place. There are certain mistakes that I've made in the past (although the ones you mentioned were not a pantone issue, but rather a halftoning issue, the second of which was actually reprinted because there was a rash appearing on red's legs that was not actually in the print-ready file) and I have learned from them as a designer. The farthest off from what I had intended to design in terms of print colors, however, was on my first print ever, on which I sent woot a file that was pantone adjusted already. Half the colors ended up printing drastically brighter than they looked on my monitor, which disrupted the subtlety of the design that I had intended. With the my second design, I also sent in my file pantone color adjusted, and of the three that I purchased, two had a squirrel that was a light tan color, and the other was an orange color.

Why is this the case? Because woot tinkers with the colors regardless of what is sent to them. On top of that, even if I owned a pantone color book to see the exact colors that will theoretically print, I can guarantee you that at least 99% of the voters do not have access to such a thing and therefore will see something on the shirt that is different from what they see on the monitor, whether the colors are pantones or not. There is a large enough library of pantone colors that designs come out pretty close no matter what shades you choose, especially if the colors selected are not too dark. So you can argue that not choosing pantones will mean that voters are looking at a design that is different from what they will see in print form, but 100% of the time that is the case if pantone colors are selected as well.

I'm not sure what your intentions initially were in making your post, but if this is a noble crusade to make sure pantone colors are used in derby entries, you should reach out a little more and try to "educate" some of the other artists out there who aren't using them as well. I apologize if I have become a bit cynical over the years on woot, but it is extremely difficult for me not to doubt people's intentions at this point when they choose to come after me and condone the same issue everywhere else. I'm sure it was not a coincidence that you chose this entry- maybe it is because it is your favorite shade of green so it stood out to you, and that's fine.

Next week I can give pantones a shot again and see how it goes, but it really doesn't matter. I'm just trying to explain to you that it's a moot point, because it doesn't make a bit of difference in the end and doesn't take any extra work to do, and it also doesn't make it any easier for voters to see how the design will look based on what they see on their monitors. Plus, I understand that the point of pantones is that they are supposed to print the same way every time, but when there is a shirt color underneath, that makes a big difference too. The way a color prints on kelly green is radically different from how it would appear on a white sheet of paper, and I simply don't have the background or experience to select colors based on those types of variations. Add to that the fact that woot has stated before that photoshop's pantones are not particularly accurate, and you can see why I have not been particularly inclined to choose pantone colors myself in my entries. I'll say it one more time, and I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but I choose colors that appear on my screen as close as possible to what I would like to see in print form. If woot can choose colors to fit that image better than I can, then it is better for the consumer and comes closer to the results that I want to achieve. That's all.

Here's my attempt at an agree to disagree on my end, but I can see that you are fired up about this and I'm sure you want to get a last word in, so have at it.

chumpmagic

Same story as last time... You don't use pantone solid coated swatches. I kindly ask you use a pantone solid coated swatches. Do it or don't do it. Your call. Just don't give me all these excuse. The only excuse that could have persuaded me was that you didn't know how to convert your colors to pantone, and even then I would have trouble believing you since you have been doing this for so long.

*Edit: For the record, I won't bring this up again if you chose not to do it in future entries. I just wanted to let you how I felt about the whole deal.

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