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Join Websleuths Radio for the final discussion of THE KILLING SEASON
with Josh Zemam, Rachel Mills and special guests including Bob Kolker author of Lost Girls

For us at WS, this case is dead/lost/forgotten without new details/facts/info on the case. IMHO

We currently have five Verified Posters on the LL case, they are as follows:

DomCobb is a verified local/searcher/insiderEnder is a verified insider/localtrackinghounds is a verified insiderAQuietHeart is verified as an insiderSilentone is a verified insider

We seem to have lost a couple of Verified Posters or the first page has not been updated. ??

Trackinghounds has been active here - thank you - you seem genuinely concerned and somewhat haunted by this case - I hope you find the answers you need to reconcile what your hounds have relayed to you! Still curious why the other dogs were or handler was spooked by the river.

What update/info can the other verified insiders offer? Their silence here is deafening.

I continue to be concerned about the welfare of LL and her silence is confusing given all of the details we have been provided.

For us at WS, this case is dead/lost/forgotten without new details/facts/info on the case. IMHO

We currently have five Verified Posters on the LL case, they are as follows:

DomCobb is a verified local/searcher/insiderEnder is a verified insider/localtrackinghounds is a verified insiderAQuietHeart is verified as an insiderSilentone is a verified insider

We seem to have lost a couple of Verified Posters or the first page has not been updated. ??

Trackinghounds has been active here - thank you - you seem genuinely concerned and somewhat haunted by this case - I hope you find the answers you need to reconcile what your hounds have relayed to you! Still curious why the other dogs were or handler was spooked by the river.

What update/info can the other verified insiders offer? Their silence here is deafening.

I continue to be concerned about the welfare of LL and her silence is confusing given all of the details we have been provided.

All I can say is if I hear any news I will gladly pass it on to fellow members. As for "insiders" not posting, maybe they have nothing to add at this time or they could be busy helping to find Linnea in other ways.

I wish that I had something to add, but there is nothing. There was a hopeful lead with a request for volunteers starting at 5 this morning, but it was confirmed that the person in question was not Linnea. Her parents are still earnestly searching. How can you give up as a parent? I don't even think that Craig has been home since the day she went missing. The volunteers have dwindled, but they still want to do what they can to follow every lead if any come in. Volunteers are passing out flyers at the State Fair in hopes that a visitor from somewhere might have seen her. Her parents are very discouraged and sad.

I wish that I had something to add, but there is nothing. There was a hopeful lead with a request for volunteers starting at 5 this morning, but it was confirmed that the person in question was not Linnea. Her parents are still earnestly searching. How can you give up as a parent? I don't even think that Craig has been home since the day she went missing. The volunteers have dwindled, but they still want to do what they can to follow every lead if any come in. Volunteers are passing out flyers at the State Fair in hopes that a visitor from somewhere might have seen her. Her parents are very discouraged and sad.

Thanks for coming here and letting us know what's going on. I can appreciate the fact that Linnea's parents are discouraged and sad, but I pray that they have the strength to continue to try and bring her to safety.

7/30!!!!Sheriff holds press conference on missing Lomax
... [sheriff's statement] “Somebody out there has knowledge of where she is. We just want to make sure she’s OK.” ...

... A cell phone left behind by [LL] is also being focused on. ...

... [CL, LL's dad] also said that the family has not been able to speak with the organizations that were trying to help their daughter with her mental breakdown associated with studying for her finals at UC Davis. ...[????? I assume that means Sutter in-patient and out-patient facilities. If so, why not? What reason has Sutter given? I'll assume patient confidentiality issues. Has Sutter been open and clear with LE re LL's care? What can/must Sutter reveal to LE?]

... While unsure of [LL]’s state of mind, [sheriff] said the department is “taking the case so seriously. Any contact … we are looking forward to. I hope she hears this plea.” ...

7/30!!!!Sheriff holds press conference on missing Lomax
... [sheriff's statement] “Somebody out there has knowledge of where she is. We just want to make sure she’s OK.” ...

... A cell phone left behind by [LL] is also being focused on. ...

... [CL, LL's dad] also said that the family has not been able to speak with the organizations that were trying to help their daughter with her mental breakdown associated with studying for her finals at UC Davis. ...[????? I assume that means Sutter in-patient and out-patient facilities. If so, why not? What reason has Sutter given? I'll assume patient confidentiality issues. Has Sutter been open and clear with LE re LL's care? What can/must Sutter reveal to LE?]

... While unsure of [LL]’s state of mind, [sheriff] said the department is “taking the case so seriously. Any contact … we are looking forward to. I hope she hears this plea.” ...

Thanks for the link Quester. The Mountain Democrat's reporter may have mixed up a comment about not being able to get specific information about Linnea's condition from Sutter Health as not "speaking" to her parents. I'm sure that Sutter has spoken to them, but are unable by law to disclose very much. I would imagine that LE would be in the same situation until they give Sutter Health a subpoena that enables them to have access to Linnea's medical information.

The July 30, 2012 date is interesting as it's tomorrows date. Is it a mistake or does that mean this story will appear in tomorrows print edition?

I know this is neither here nor there, but I am very angry about this case.

I don’t think we’ve been given an honest picture of the events leading up to LL’s “missing” status, her “mental illness”, the reason for her possibly having “voluntarily” left or any subsequent details.

Re event leading up to LL’s “missing” status: We haven’t heard one word from anyone close to LL during her school year at UCD. Not a roommate, suitemate, new friend from UCD, teacher, the UCD nurse, etc. Zip, zilch, nada!

Re “mental illness”: We haven’t been given anything to substantiate that LL was suffering from anything beyond possible anorexia, IMHO. Granted, anorexia is associated with concerning causes and the combination along with typical stressors during college finals week may be the reason for her in-patient stay, IMHO. Please correct me if I am wrong here – but, I’ve seen no substantiation of the following behaviors: “suicidal”, “unreasonable”, “paranoid”, “delusional”, etc, IMHO. There has been no corroboration of “mental illness” by LE at all, IMHO.

Re “voluntarily missing”: One thing that both Sac LE and EDC LE agree upon is that they both believe that LL is alive. Why is that? What info do they already have that leads them to state emphatically that they both think she is alive?

What medication was LL prescribed and, now that she is without, is threatening her life, as has been described?

Please LL team, help me and others, who are also concerned about LL’s welfare, to understand what’s going on in this very nonsensical case.

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They let her leave because she is legally a mentally competent adult and they have no right not to let her leave. Declaring an adult as "incompetent" would not be possible in this case - my SIL is developmentally delayed - and unable to care for herself - this is "incompetent". A short term mental health crisis probably would not qualify. If she was deemed to be a danger to herself or others they could issue a temporary hold on her, but I'm guessing that since she was released that they did not consider herself an immediate danger to herself.

I am familiar with mental health treatment facilities and clinics in my area, and how they work, including the state hospital. I don't know of any facility that allows the patients to come and go of their own free will, whether they're legally incompetent or not. Once they're signed into that facility by a doctor, they don't get to leave without the doctor signing a release. All the doors are locked and require a key to enter or exit, including doors to other areas of the clinic. They have a staff member with them 24/7 and the staff are all trained to use restraining methods should a situation become potentially dangerous.
With any mental illness, you cannot predict what a person will do, and so most facilities treat every patient with the some degree of caution, even if they have never been considered at risk of harm to themselves or others.

I had some of the sames concerns over that day at the Clinic on Howe Ave. Did they have an open door policy? Did Linnea leave at lunch time? Around 1 pm, close to lunch. What did she do for lunch? Did anyone make arrangements to have lunch with her? Why if she was in such a distraught state would she be permitted to leave? And, no offense intended, but did her family know she could leave and if she was in such a tenuous state why didn't someone monitor her that day so if she did leave, then family would be outside?

So, I can only guess that perhaps she was not in such a distraught state of mind - but that is a guess on my part. She was doing better being cooperative - and she leaves because she made up her mind to leave, maybe someone said something at the Mental Health Clinic that she, that day, with no planning, left - and I believe called some one to pick her up.

So maybe she is having issues but not such terrible ones as is being circulated. That doesn't mean she is safe and not in danger - as I believe she is in danger and something untoward has happened to her.

I believe what TxLady2 is describing is inpatient protocol. Linnea was in an outpatient facility. As far as I know, that is completely voluntary.

Perhaps she wasn't that bad off that particular day - when I was searching with my dogs, a family member told me that she was delusional and paranoid. But I wondered how she could be considered "safe and suitable for out patient care" and be able to leave if she was that delusional - thinking people were out to kill her or get her in some bad way.

I'm not sure how Sutter Medical Center Works - maybe there was no provision for her to have lunch - she had no money or any other means. Be nice to know.

BBM - It's been difficult for me to separate what folks are saying based on when she went into Sutter from when she entered outpatient and to ascertain any degree of what they are saying about delusions, paranoia, etc. I think there surely must have been some significant changes. That's all I'm going to say about this on here so I don't get into trouble. I know it's private, but it's too bad we don't know what her doctors or therapists would say about where she was at at the end of her inpatient stay.

I'm not sure they would serve lunch in an outpatient setting. Someone could probably just call and ask them.