she looks so beautiful lately.. not that she’s ever been ugly.. but she looks amazing in the last pictures..

yets

i love the looks and i love her.

IMO

Vanessa looks gorgeous. I love that dress .

muse

Vanessa’s fashion choices have been exceptional! Her dress on Conan was magnificent and this dress is just like her, flowy and hippie yet girly. Love her taste in fashion.
Hair looks amazing, she’s beautiful :)

fan

Gorgeous. Drop-dead gorgeous.

Veronica

She looks Great :)

babyvlover

She always had a great sense for fashion and style but recently she just looks fab. The outfits for the talkshows were stunning, especially the jumper & the yellow dress & the dress in this post is just super cute. I love her hair & style, she looks simply beautiful.

scarlett

Hey, I was there at PB that day when she came in. Up close, she is very tiny, almost waifish and very beautiful.

andrea

so this most be justvanessajr not justjaredjr cos this girl annoyings me the crap shes not tallent at all

lol i thought the same thing. its suppose to look intimate? its only a four second clip and no voices or anything

yeah thats the one i was talking about. yeah he only seems happy because he was with tyler. why would he tell the press what hes doing for valentines anyways? people usually surprise each other.

rainbow2

they do. i kept looking at the video trying to figure out where I had seen his jacket and beanie on. It was during the film festival. you saw the video and pics of him and tyler all happy on the red carpet and doing interviews. they didn’t do any witih lily depp. she was in the movie too.

Kitkat

i thought it was strange we never got to see their interactions with her. but at the moment austin and tyler have dual roles where they are older boys the girls fall for. but their roles are minimal because apparently they are satanists (i know its crazy) that lure in young girls but end up killed somehow and lily and harley quinn are blamed for their deaths. i read it in the reviews – its getting terrible reviews too.
maybe if it gets picked up then we will see them interact.

rainbow2

the storyline sounds terrible to me. no wonder it is getting bad reviews. they have small roles maybe the reason why they didn’t do any interviews with lily or the other girl who is her friend in the movie. glad you read the reviews.
there was no mention of the movie being picked up. maybe later on? the guy kevin smith was the director and writer for the movie. he is on the amc channel has a series. he is well known in Hollywood.

rainbow2

why post on your romantic getaway anyway? it says to me you are bored and wanted to post something. i could post on fire place anyway.

he was happy with tyler at sundance. he wasn’t with vanessa.

Kitkat

also, random, but we never found out what happened as to why vanessa broke her finger. it bugs me that she just posted it then nothing

rainbow2

no we never did. wasn’t that strange. She would usually say something but she didn’t. she fixed her finger days later.

Kitkat

yeah, it was really strange. and then it healed and was just forgotten. it was clearly serious enough to literally shift her finger but no explanation.
did you read the whole thing between josh and vanessa? the last time they were seen was at golden globes a few years back and they made no contact. so sad that they ruined their friendship with a silly fling.

rainbow2

i did. it is strange how both of them were. funny because they still saw each other. no hard feelings. strange don’t you think.

Josh was ok with it. like there is something we don’t know between them. did you know if josh said anything bad about vanessa?

rainbow2

Kitkat
yeah i do know a lot lol. its mainly because i used to like stella
particularly because she was in the same age group as me, so i was
really interested in a lot of what she did. its silly but i was young
and i was genuinely intrigued by her group of friends. i never hated
vanessa enough to completely avoid her, because i still thought she was
gorgeous and was interested in who she would end up dating next.
particularly because zac was so private and vanessa went through this i
dont care streak which made her fun.

posted my respond here
that explains why you know a lot about Stella. She is her own person when you compare her to Vanessa. you are young! I am older than you. I guess HSM fascinated me. it took a while but after seeing them on screen and they chemistry was hot! it reminded me of a low key chemistry compare to brad and Angelina in the movie Mr. and Mrs Smith. i could see them in an adult movie when there wouldn’t be any barriers or G rated.

trying to hard! see we get this stuff now after we talked about it. why post it when you are a romantic getaway? LOL! where did you see these pics? on her snapchat?

Kitkat

yeah it was her snapchat. of course after we get a lot of stuff just as we talk about lack of intimacy. but it may backfire if vanessa posts too much and people will think its all for show.

rainbow2

good call! she knows what she is doing. she teases what she is doing with austin. she is showing how cute they are right now.
what she is posting graffiti on a rock?

she didn’t do it before till now. like i said why post when you are supposed to be on a romantic getaway. you are bored!

Kitkat

she likes to tease and if im being honest she should keep it that way. she should stop it today because tomorow is too intimate

rainbow2

it is! she wants to make it real, she should stop it now.

Kitkat

Definitely. If she really does enjoy her day she won’t post anything. I’m still curious as to where they are staying. It’s not his family but just a really random far out cabin. Vanessa loves camping so I guess it makes sense since she’s into nature . I wonder if she surprised him with anything

rainbow2

noticed they don’t show what they get each other. that why it looks more private between them. it has to be in Arizona where she last was spotted. you go camping no one see you who you are with.

Kitkat

Makes sense as they would also look like show offs. Again nobody likes a show off. Vanessa is going to be on project runway for a pre recorded episode, very smart move with her fashion background – Ashley needs Vanessa’s team because they managed to make her a fashionista without even launching clothing lines. Ashley does that t shirt line and it’s nothing special but she’s not fashionable enough to get attention.

rainbow2

You are right about Ashley. I don’t get how she got a fashion line and cosmetic. How do you know if the line is doing good? her t-shirt? it is nothing I would buy. I didn’t know they shared the same hairdresser and make up artist. but not the same stylish.

Good choice for Vanessa for going on the fashion show. She knows her stuff.

You now a lot! WOW!

Kitkat

It baffles me since Ashley’s following isn’t strong enough to be interested in her clothing and makeup line. It’s not like she is known for it she hasn’t established herself in either enough to make a career . And her fashion sense is terrible.
I don’t think they have the same stylist, Vanessa’s one knows what she’s doing. Sometimes I feel bad for ashley because if she had established herself more it would’ve been easier to get coverage on her makeup and clothing . She couldn’t get actual magazine covers because she’s not as big and her team is pretty bad (she’s known her manager since she was a child so probably is scared to fire him). What makes it worse is vanessa is on the cover of billboard magazine with Juliane and Carly. That’s not even a standard magazine that’s a huge deal

rainbow2

I was baffled too! Couldn’t understand how Ashley got it? there was no coverage of it on fashion magazine or credible magazine especially how Sami got her videos on ELLE! Zac PR team had to pay for it. this is one of the top fashion magazine. Ashley posted a pic on her instragram when Allure posted a pic of her make up:https://www.instagram.com/p/BA2V9SFQaLw/?taken-by=ashleytisdale
her style is terrible! Did you see what she wore to the Tony Awards!

Billboard is huge? I don’t follow Billboard or Rolling Stones. Billboard is the music magazine.

She needs a new team Ashley. She can’t get on JJ only on JJj. I only see her on JJj and see her on JJ if she is with Vanessa.

Kitkat

Samis got so much help from zacs team at least Vanessa’s is for herself and she earned it. Sami got nylon, missguided and galore. Not the biggest but big enough to get more people looking her up.
Even though allure posted it, she didn’t get any covers so it still won’t push the line as much.
Yeah I think billboard mag is a big deal, they have a lot of the latest musicians on their covers and if your music is recognised by billboard charts you’re a hit

rainbow2

Vanessa worked hard for her success as a fashionista. Her doing Gig gave her good PR for hserlf and the clothes she wore to go the theater. Taylor Swift even commented on Vanessa’s clothes.

Ashley didn’t get any magzine covers. She had some television interviews but no on any major network that I saw.

Music based on the billboard charts? Wasn’t it strange how Aaron wasn’t on the cover but Vanessa, Julianne and Carly.

Kitkat

Also slightly off topic but I remember in kekes snapchat she saw vanessa had Austin named under her phone as Papi and I’ve always found the whole Daddy/Papi kink really creepy. Kekes snaps also show that vanessa is on her phone a lot.

rainbow2

she is, I don’t know if she would tell Austin Papi. it is more of a term used in the Hispanic culture.
I find it creepy too! how do you see it? how did she know it was for Austin Keke.

Kitkat

I think vanessa said it when keke asked her who she was texting and I think it was on her phone as that – I can’t really remember but I’m 100% sure she said it. It was on kekes snapchat a while back I dunno where it is.

rainbow2

I didn’t see it. she had to say it was him. She hadn’t done anything with Austin in a long time during her Grease rehearsal. i noticed how little of him she talked about her or did anything.

Kitkat

That’s true she was having a lot of fun with her co stars she forgot about Austin lol.

rainbow2

she gave him some PR to show how she is stil with him. She did the same thing during Gigi. she didn’t talk about Austin onl twice on instragram, once for Grease.

Kitkat

Yeah she still limits what she says and he is mostly on mute! It makes them look genuine like they hate publicity . Funny how a few years back you could barely see their faces properly because they had merged into one from constantly sticking their tongues down each other’s throats.

rainbow2

forgot about their PDA pics. They were so over the top it looked fake! trying to hard!

she doesn’t post to much of him unless it is his work makes them look genuine.

where is cathedral rock? arizona?
she probably offered to take the picture some celebs do that because it also kind of gives them some control of the photo. i guess she had to show herself unless it would just be a picture of them not them with her.

rainbow2

It is in Sedona, Arizona. what is strange why no mention of Austin?

rainbow2

It is in Sedona, Arizona. what is strange why no mention of Austin?

Kitkat

They were already seen at the Phoenix airport today that was quick! Lol did it not go to plan ? Wouldn’t u fly back the day after ?

rainbow2

They were seen at the Phoenix Airport? What a quick romantic trip! Something happened.
Remember she was seen hiking to. She hiked for her romantic getaway?

soooo my theory is she purposely wore the same outfit to make it seem as though this is from yesterday since it was at the airport. she has done this before with him to extend the amount of pr. because like you said she was seen hiking but must have been by herself, thats why she took the picture herself.

something didnt quite go to plan, why was she hiking by herself?

rainbow2

EXACTLY! She took the pics with the fans on the hike. She did it twice!
Why hiking? You go to hike to clear your head? think or get away from someone. She did go hiking by herslef. All the tweets said “she was nice,.” not Austin was there with her. He is mention at the airport and the little baby and mom pic where he was asked to take the pic! LOL! His ego must have been hurt!

Arizona is one hour ahead of us in the LA. The pic was taken at 8:30am. She went early to the ariport on Valentine Day? Something happened.

Two different days! Yea, she has worn the same outfit to confuse fans. Austin does it more! He is always wearing the same outfit to confuse fans with Vanessa. I don’t see him changing his outfit as much as Vanessa. Austin and Sami have this in common. They can’t afford clothes.

Kitkat

omg we’ve figured it out!
vanessa goes hiking by herself a lot to de-stress, and she did it on valentines day! yep nobody mentioned austin like in the first picture with the baby. i truly think his ego was destroyed by it. and i think they argued because of it.

im so glad your in the usa to figure out all the time differences because wow! they were there in the morning?? so that means they caught a quick early flight. they spent valentines on the plane!

they definitely tried to mess with fans BUT what she forgot was that she arrived to the airport with makeup because she done it on the plane. she had no makeup on in these pictures. and if people were to say “maybe it was before when they were getting on the plane” why is it only NOW we are getting tweets of sightings?

She does it all the time but fans don’t see it. Waiting for the drama too! Wonder if she got the trip free since she posted it was Sedona?

Kitkat

so that means they only spent time on the saturday not the sunday. its not like they are working. so why fly out for 1 night?
hiking is so damn boring considering they do it all the time in la. the only difference is he doesnt have a shirt on. big woop.

the picture looks like when you are taking a picture of yourself and your taller best friend pokes their head in it.

no intimacy. i mean im not expecting to stick their tongues down each others throats but its so ehhh

rainbow2

You described it perfectly. No romance. I thought Austin photobombed the pic with Vanessa. Nothing romantic. She was smart putting the snap chat of their names. When did they take the pic on Friday? or Saturday? Her eyes look tired when you see them through the glasses.

They only spend one night. Most of it was hiking from Vanessa part. The pic with Austin not to say anything she did post a pic with him on Valentine day.

Kitkat

one night and not even on valentines? i feel like the hike was suppose to be the lead up but something went wrong. like i said they hike all the time its not romantic.
the snapchat was definitely smart, i think she uses it for pr purpose more than fans would know.

rainbow2

why post an old pic for Valentine Day? She already did the snap chat of it. I didn’t see it till you posted it here. why hike by yourself? Where is her jacket? The pic with the fans yesterday she had on a blue jacket? In the pics with Austin you don’t see it but you see the black sports top through the blue jacket?

Kitkat

i was going to say the same thing! where is her jacket? at first i thought “oh maybe he was there” but then why wasnt he is the pictures at all and why was she wearing a jacket? he couldnt have been there…

what is this a movie? who films on valentines day? clearly vanessa lol.
you’re right she MUST’VE got paid for this, especially because she keeps mentioning the name. it couldnt have been much of a surprise then is it austin? its just dirt and trees.

rainbow2

Same as in New Mexico trip she went to after New York. And if you look on her twitter timeline some fans thinks she is at Sedona today when she left already. Why fool fans?

Austin knew what she planned becasue he isn’t posting on his instragram. She is. She is the bigger star. She got paid to go. or she asked them?

Kitkat

yep shes fooled them hence why she posted them now, even though the hiking pictures were yesterday and she was at the airport today but luckily where she is there are no paps unless she calls them, so she wont call them this time, and will be home and stay inside until monday or tuesday

he didnt post anything lol even though he supposedly planned it.

rainbow2

They took his Prius and left it at the airport parking lot. Soooo she worked yesterday and it wasn’t a romantic Valentine Day getaway. She worked on Friday to!

Kitkat

yeah i noticed the prius i thought “whos car is that?”
what do you mean work? you mean her working the pr?
yeah this was such a lame getaway that should have just stopped at the snapchat love heart thing. thats enough. but i knew she wouldnt stop.

rainbow2

Vanessa had to be working all this weekend to post! Didn’t make myself clear. When was she with Ausin relaxing? She took the pics of her and Austin yesterday, no jacket. Than we have pics of her with fans around 5pm. than she did the snap chats of their names and the t-shirt on Friday. Today she left early and she has been posting all day on Valentine Day.
She is working this PR to! She should have stopped with the snap chat but if she got paid from Sedona tourist company for this trip which was lame getaway. Why go?

Kitkat

oh ok i get you lol. she was constantly working this whole thing.
they say couples who travel together stay together the longest but they seem to be too concerned with pr to even enjoy each others companies – which is unfortunate since they seem like the travelling type.

rainbow2

She does not him. He went along because of Vanessa. He didn’t do any
traveling till he became her bf. She is the one footing the bill or
having sponsors for her to go and do PR like this trip. What traveling
he did before her? maybe I didn’t see it or heard about it.

Sorry I reread what I wrote. I sounded harsh! Don’t mean to be!

Kitkat

That’s true he just goes along with it. If he really liked travelling that much why is she papped by herself so often? Only explanation is he doesn’t actually live there but that’s another debate.

We know absolutely nothing about his past life which sucks because we have no info to go with only his work. There’s hardly any rare photos that we have found which again is strange and no mention of exes. Clean slate. Makes sense because vanessa and her team don’t want somebody who will bring drama. They are good at what they do. Sami with zac is quite messy. We managed to find out info from her past and her partying. Old Facebooks to the point where she had to delete pictures manually because she knew we would fish . U can’t fish with Austin which is probably why he is perfect

rainbow2

You bring up good points. Another debate on where he lives.

Did you know he is good friends with Carlos wife? She was in Spy Kids forgot her name .Alexa Vega? I had a friend who watched Zoey 101 and liked him. She did some fangirling! He went to her wedding the first one and was best man? He did go to events but there wasn’t much demand for more. He used to go with Ashley Tisdale as friends to places. They did go workout to! No one bring it up only the friendship with Ashley!

She didn’t go to the Grease show even though her husband was in it or tweeted about it.

What a laugh

I’m fairly sure he lives with Vanessa—at least in her house.

rainbow2

I don’t think he does. JMO>

What a laugh

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure he does.

rainbow2

I don’t lets agree to disagree for now.

Kitkat

i think its more half and half. like some nights vanessas and some nights elsewhere – be it an apartment or his moms house

Kitkat

Oh I didn’t know that! How strange that vanessa ended up playing a love interest for Carlos in grease. He even went to their wedding so they must be close, I wonder if vanessa and Carlos discussed working together. And yet again vanessa and Austin still haven’t got engaged whilst everyone around them has.
It’s soooo strange she never showed any support for grease live and wasn’t even seen at the show. I wonder why? I highly doubt that she felt some type of way with vanessa because you would still support your husband

rainbow2

You think you would. Carlos had to auditioned for the role for grease and she was the bigger star than him. Now after grease he is more known. I didn’t see any support for him from her.

Did you know Samantha Dorke was Carlos ex? She hangs out with Ashley. She is one of their best friends.

Kitkat

He dated sammy??!! Omg everyone is linked here lol how awkward. So vanessa already knew Carlos pretty well, maybe even before she knew Austin and Austin knew him during nickelodeon. And then when they started dating they all become one happy family lol.

Alexa hardly shows Carlos support, maybe she’s jealous because how do u not show support? He’s her biggest fan but she clearly isn’t his

rainbow2

They took a Hawaii vacation togehter Ashley and Sammy,Carlos. I can’t remember if anyone went with Ashley.

Kitkat

That’s so weird lol kind of like how ashley and kaley Cuoco were friends and chris used to date kaley for a couple of years then he ended up marrying ashley. Does nobody date outside this group? Sammys voice annoys me lol

rainbow2

It does! I don’t like Sammy voice either. LOL!
Creepy to me!

Kitkat

So I just saw vanessa and stella are hanging out already at some show event – is this why they got such an early flight? You can see all the snapchats on this tumblr http://hudgens-online.tumblr.com
I don’t like Stella’s new hair lol it emphasises her round face.
Was she already sick of him after one day? Could she not stay away from stella for one day? There’s bonding and then there’s just being needy. Maybe it was stella who arranged it.

rainbow2

She came back for this event on Valentine Day?
She goes away on a romantic trip with the bf but she is posting and taking pics of sedona all day Friday and Saturday and leaves EARLY on Sunday morning to come back to this event with her sister Stella?

You bring up good questions! Was this a romantic getaway or a tourists brochure from Vanessa to visit it?

What a laugh

Sorry, but I’d really have to disagree about that.

Kitkat

Lol it’s cool don’t apologise everyone has their opinion. I’m personally just going off what I see but I could be wrong, could be right but that’s why I said maybe.

What a laugh

Alexa supports Carlos big time. He even spoke of her in one of his interviews for Greese. Carlos and the other guys from Big Time Rush was pictured with Vanessa and Austin a couple years ago. I think that was when James was dating Halston Sage—who later worked in Neighbor’s as Zac’s GF. She was still dating James when she was filming that movie.

Kitkat

Omg u know all the connections lol. I personally think Carlos said he was nervous About kissing vanessa because alexa was nervous. He said it to make her feel at ease and I think that’s why he opted to kissing her neck not her lips despite that actually being more intimate lol

I don’t think alexa shows as much support as I thought she would. I don’t think she was at grease live

What a laugh

I know he spoke about the kiss in an interview but he also had talked about how he had discussed some scenes from the show with her nausea he was so excited. He had said in that one interview how she was so excited after seeing them do the Greese Lighting song and dance. So she must have been there with him.

Kitkat

Could be, but like rainbow2 said she didn’t really tweet, but she may have been supportive all the way. Was she at the show?

What a laugh

I’m pretty sure she was at the show. As far as tweeting, I think I have seen her tweet like one or two times in forever and that was during the time she and Carlos was on Dancing With The Stars. The same goes with Carlos. I have rarely seen him tweet. As a matter of fact it has been some time ago Now I had read where he said he and Alexa was not really into the Twitter thing. At the time I thought how he sounded a lot like Zac used to sound when he said he and Vanessa were not into it. I’m sure all these people’s teams have encouraged them to tweet and that is why they are all on Twitter.

Alexa posted some things of grease but not a whole lot. She is also very religious like Austin and Carlos and vanessa. I wonder if they all go to the same church hence the connection?
Their marriage is so weird lol Carlos broke down when alexa was eliminated on that dance show like calm down lol. She’s already been married once and she’s so young I don’t even know if they will last because they post so much personal stuff. Waking up together eating together enjoy the moment !!

rainbow2

She did but not much. I don’t think they do. We would have gotten something by now about church.

Kitkat

It’s true, after hillsong I just assume every celeb goes to the same church lol . I hope vanessa and Carlos can stay friends they were really fun together. Their interviews together were hilarious and I definitely believe vanessa when she said they have a love hate relationship like a brother and sister

What a laugh

I don’t know…Carlos and Alexa seem very connected. Carlos recently said they were trying to have a baby.

What a laugh

As I told you in my one post, there were pics so Austin back before he and Vanessa were ever together but they were mostly of him with girls. I’m trying yo remember if I had ever seen him with any guys when he was like 16 or 17. I think he was that age when he was on Zoey’s 101.

Kitkat

But the question is which girls did he actually date? It’s a mystery lol but it would help us figure out what type of person he is by who he dated .

We don’t know who vanessa dated to be fair, but she was a lot younger when her career kicked off so she has only been linked to zac at that age – and drake bell but I’m not sure about that one.

What a laugh

I remember reading about Austin dating someone a long time ago but I can’t remember who it was since I wasn’t interested. But it seems to me it was some blond. But it could have been made up.

Kitkat

It would make sense tbh. Is vanessa even his type? Is he her type? Although Cdan is sometimes false he had blinds about Austin cheating with blondes but maybe that’s his actual type.

rainbow2

if they were some blinds on Austin cheating with blondes than it is his type of girl. blinds you have to take them with a grain of salt sometimes but some of them are true. usually you have to figure out which are true or false.

Kitkat

yeah definitely agree about blinds being quite difficult to figure out. sometimes the ones that sound the most far fetched are in fact true. it just seems strange how the girls hes supposedly been with have a similar resemblance – and none to vanessa.

rainbow2

Yea, why the girls Austin being with are blondes and not burnettes if the blinds are true or not. Some blinds have Zac gay the majority of them. but he isn’t gay. see how the blinds take it with a grain of salt if they are true or not.

rainbow2

He likes blondes from what I am seeing if he dated a blonde. Why dated a brunette? Could have been made up so austin has a past.

What a laugh

You know, just because Austin was of dating age when he was on Zoey 101 it doesn’t mean he actually was dating. Perhaps he went out with this one or that one a couple times and those may have been more of a “friends” kind of thing. When I was that age I knew a lot of guys who were attractive and nice but they were still too awkward and unsure to have a real girlfriend. When I got into my 20′s it was the same way. So many think at a certain age everyone automatically has dated and been serious. That’s not so. Plus, if Austin was trying to get his foot in the acting door he may not have had the time yo date—nor did he have the money. People think that an actor has no problems getting dates or ginding someone. But look around there are a lot of fairly successful actors who do not date for long periods of time–or not to have serious relationships. These people are “driven”. They want things that people like us don’t want to put that ind of effort into or the time.

Plus, if he is gay, then he might not have been very “bold” about such things. A lot of young “pretty” guys have to be careful in how they cultivate their careers very early on whether they be gay or not.

I’m just saying, he may not actually have a “history” before he got to be friends with Ashley Tisdale and did two movies with her and then start dating Vanessa. Once he hooked up with Ash he hung out with her and her girlfriends a lot. That’s how he got pictured in so many “shopping with the girls” and “doing the girls’ hair” picture. And those picture helped people like me and others believe he was gay. Some I know used to call him a “Twinkie”.

it was soo bad and scripted but vanessa still did it because it was her friend. we could see a bit of vanessas humor but there are still cameras everywhere so she still held back a lot. i still think they friendship is kind of for show, no way have they lasted this long without a fight here and there.

and is it just me, but i feel like vanessa used to put on this baby voice? because in recent interviews it sounds…normal? i used to hate watching interviews with her because she had a typical high pitched “valley girl” voice but lately it seems lower pitched? it wouldnt surprise me since paris hilton used to do the same thing and her voice sounds completely different now, but its actually her real voice not for show.

What a laugh

No, Vanessa took acting lessons and worked really hard on her voice while living in NYC while Austin was filming The Carrie Diaries. Lots of Vanessa’s biggest stans got mad at her when she dropped auditioning to go and be with Austin in NY. Many of these people were the ones who blamed Zac for holding Vanessa back and thought she was going to be the next biggest thing when she and Zac broke up. These stans soon found out that Zac had nothing to do with Vanessa not getting movie offers nor was it him who was making her be like a maid or stay with him all the time. Zac was very supportive of her.

Many complained about Vanessa’s voice and her acting. SO, she took her team and everyone else’s advice and went to make herself better by taking acting lessons and voice lessons. She always had a desire to do Broadway. She said so before she ever went to NY to live. She did an interview with Carlos Pena, Julianne, and Aaron for Greese Live where she said that she worked really hard on her voice. That is why she sounds different. She started this over two years ago. It paid off.

Kitkat

i agree, why would she audition when she needs time to work on her talent? might as well take out time to perfect it.

vanessa never used to sing properly – pretty voice but she sang through her nose not from her stomach so it strained so much. its good that she actually listened to her team (unlike ashley who still cant sing or act). i think the interview you are talking about was the AOL interview, i watched that one. she was i think the first to get offered a role in grease live. she sounds so different.

her speaking voice has definitely changed a LOT. it sounds like a new person, thats why i was saying the interviews now compared to before is a huge change. her laugh is even silightly deeper. but it means that people can tolerate her a little more. ashley still speaks the same.

i added a bit more here because i realized you were talking about her speaking voice i completely forgot that was what i was talking about lol.

rainbow2

Good for her to get help wit her voice. She does make it go high and low when she talks. but she has done wonders with her singing and acting. All good actors go back to get training on their craft.

What a laugh

Yes, she has proven that she is serious about her career. I say good for her.

Kitkat

yeah she has managed to find the range in her speaking voice which is great for her career, because for gigi high pitched worked whereas rizzo needed a lower tone for that husky sensual character voice.

rainbow2

Did you see the pic where she went on a Sunday and her voice coach was with her. They went to the studio to record the songs. Her voice coach was with her.

Kitkat

oh i didnt see that. good for her. stella sounds quite similar to vanessa just a lower tone and i think thats the most tolerable which vanessa was aiming for.
you need to adapt for acting and she has shown that she can time and time again which is great. zac needs to do this!! hes done the same role and i want to see him really transform for one. like paperboy.

rainbow2

She mixes it up! Good for her career. Hollywood take notices. I want Zac to do something outside of his comfort zone! He can act! he can do comedy and drama. He needs a role to shine!

rainbow2

The show was stupid from the get go. She asked Vanessa becasue what other famous friend does she have beside Zac? Zac wasn’t going to do it. I think Vanessa did it for Ashley as a favor and she got some PR but Vanessa looked uncomfortable for the most part in the show. It flopped. See she tried another network beside the ABC family. It didn’t work! Vanessa can go high or low with her voice. Depending on what she is doing or how her mood is.

rainbow2

posted this on zac thread, @socrazywildcat twitter is gone. it has been gone for a while. Wonder why she deleted her twitter?

Kitkat

was she the german fan? isnt that the fan that used to like sami but doesnt anymore? either way its strange since she knew a lot of information and wasnt afraid to tweet it. how long has she been gone?

rainbow2

No, she is no the German mom. She is someone else who used to like Zac and Sami and doesn’t anymore. Sami blocked her. It was wrong. It was doing the time Sami was blocking fans and including the Zac Efron CR. She unblocked the twitter Zac Efron CR but not socrazywildcat. She was the one who wrote this long DM about how Sami was using Zac.

She has been gone for over a week? guessing.

Kitkat

oh ok. i dont think shes coming back. its sad how many dedicated fans zac has lost. i mean i hate to compare but at least vanessa has gained a new fanbase with grease live. zac needs to find the right role and team to help him do the same.

rainbow2

Ok said socrazywildcat changed her twitter. He was trying to find it. He hasn’t yet.

Vanessa jumped on followers but I think it is becasue of Grease showing. It is slowly showing in other countries and her followers jumped.

Kitkat

exactly, and zac needs the role to really project his followers because he needs a fresh fan base. a lot of us have been around since hsm, but vanessa managed to gain new fans who dont care about her past but her current work because shes impressed them thus far. zac needs this and i dont think any of the comedies are going to do that.

rainbow2

No, I don’t think either. He needs a mature audience or some kind of audience to attract. Seth helped him with the male audience but male audience are fickle unless they like you. My bf don’t care for Zac. He will go if I ask him, but he rathered skip his movies his friends to.
Makes me wonder if he skipped HSM reunion becasue he wants to stay away and not climbed out of being Troy Bolton.

He can’t make up his mind with HSM. JMO, but I didn’t like how he used HSM in his skit on the late show. You can talk about HSM but you can’t go to the reunion. Zac wants the PR for HSM but he doesn’t want to do be with these people. you know what I mean?

Kitkat

seth definitely helped zac with a new audience because he was so funny in neighbors. but i dont know if neighbors 2 is going to bring anyone new if its the same people watching it. it hasnt had the same impact as 21 and 22 jump street because zac hasnt got an all round audience like channing. probably why hes working with dwayne johnson “the rock” because virtually everyone loves him.

it was so silly for zac to skip the hsm reunion because he clearly thought that it would hold him back, but if it didnt hold back vanessa – who was much more known for her hsm role than him, then he would be absolutely fine.
so many people commented on how zac did a hsm skit but couldnt go to the actual reunion – hes messed up so bad because he looks like a hypocrite.

he wants the advantages of hsm but not the cast because he feels hes above it. you never bite the hand that feeds you.

rainbow2

EXACTLY!!! You were able to say it better than I!
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!

I am hoping MDNWD is a hit for Zac but it really depends on the audience for it and what movies comes out during that time and if fans want to see Zac is almost the same role as a party boy. Some fans might see it or not!

The Rock has a loyal following! He goes back to the WWE where he started as a wrestler. He got the male and female audience in his hands.
Zac is going to benefit from being with The Rock. it depends on his chemistry with the Rock as well on screen. We are assuming it is going to be great.

Channing and Jonah have a following. Channing can carry a movie by himself. Johan is on the fence depending on the movie.

Kitkat

mdnwd could work and its not even because of zac its because of anna kendrick and adam devine who both have great followings from men and women – especially anna she is hilarious. but zac may take it hes the bigger star of the film and overtake the promo, so he needs to be careful. hes a party boy but its slightly different this time so im hoping that helps his image.

rainbow2

Anna and Adam have a strong following. From the skit and the trailer I am seeing how Adam, Adam and Aubrey are the fun people in the movie. Aubrey and Anna crack me up when I saw the trailer. Zac has to play the PR right especially with Anna and Adam being there.

What a laugh

Do you remember her name? I think I have her email… It’s been a long time since I talked to her and she has changed her Twitter before—it’s been a long time ago.

rainbow2

No, I don’t know her name just her twitter name. You should. She saw the bs between Sami and Zac. Wonder why she deleted her twitter?

What a laugh

If I knew her name I might have been able to find out. I will try to do some digging.

Kitkat

“Vanessa worked hard for her success as a fashionista. Her doing Gig gave her good PR for hserlf and the clothes she wore to go the theater. Taylor Swift even commented on Vanessa’s clothes.

Ashley didn’t get any magzine covers. She had some television interviews but no on any major network that I saw.

Music based on the billboard charts? Wasn’t it strange how Aaron wasn’t on the cover but Vanessa, Julianne and Carly.”

my reply so its not at the bottom :)

its true even lainey pointed out how she used it for an opportunity to get her style in the headlines since her show wasnt doing the best but it got attention either way. its weird because taylor and vanessa have mutual friends (selena, sarah hyland, lena dunham, banks), she watched grease live with gigi, vanessa even went to after parties at her house and yet you never see them together. its clear they must know each other enough for taylor to want her style. i wonder if that was taylors way of trying to get her into her “squad” but it didnt work lol. vanessa is quite drama free for the most part.

ashley had an interview for extra but nothing huge like you said. even with gigi vanessa managed to get some coverage in new york times and socialite mag. its better than nothing.

people usually refer to billboards for music charts if you google billboard magazine virtually every big artist has been on their covers, from taylor swift, bieber, to currently zayn malik. fox worked extremely hard with pr to even get billboard mag since they are not exclusively singers, but were doing a musical on tv. they didnt include any guys for billboard mag because they were selling female se x appeal not male. much of it was focused on vanessa hence why she seemed to get the most photos (solo) out of it.

to be honest i wonder if it was irritating for the co stars to constantly have the press ask you about vanessa. i get that she had the most praise, but for all we know some of them didnt like her but felt obliged to say she was great. hmmm you never know, someone from behind the scenes could easily leak info about vanessa and not get caught.

rainbow2

Happy Valentine Day to you! I don’t know if you celebrated in UK but here we do! LOL! Being with the bf off and on this morning! He is wonderful and great to me!

Lainey is really being honest you might not like it but she is. For her to say nice things about Vanessa is saying something. I didn’t know about the Taylor background. Vanessa would bring a lot of style in her squad becasue face it some of them don’t know how to dress even though some of them are models. Selena is hit and miss to me in her style. Vanessa went to her parties? You wouldn’t know it by no pics of her. Vanessa can go to a party and not get papped unless she wants to.

Better than nothing, but Vanessa got mention in those sites. She did the Hampton magazine? forgot the name of it but she has been on magazine covers while in NY.

Ashley didn’t get anything on any magazine cover I saw.
She really was pushing it but nothing. Her PR agent and manager couldn’t drum up enough interest in it. I didn’t see it on any gossip sites either. sad part about it she was doing PR while on the HSM reunion week. Still no one was biting for her stuff.

Good angle to do the sexy cover. Fox did a good job of pushing it for the Billboard cover. Vanessa did get more shots. Didn’t pay attention to you told me. I guess the guys were not a big of a draw considering they are not as well known as Vanessa.

I would be irritated. They are not asking you but of Vanessa. They want the limelight. They are actors and need the PR for themselves. either you used Vanessa to your advantage like Jordan, Keke, Julianne, Carlos, Carly or you don’t. All of them did it like they were friends. It looked really genuine from all of them as did the girl with the braids? forgot her name.

she actually had her hands free and yet no hand holding. at least vanessa and austin had an excuse cuz they were holding luggage.

rainbow2

yea, look at Zac’s jaw. it is tight and not relax a clear sign that he is not happy. Why wouldn’t he be happy if he is going away with the gf? Noticed what Sami is wearing. Isn’t that the jacket Zac wore to the MTV awards?

They have the same pose. They don’t change like Vanessa and austin. yea they had luggage but there was not interaction with their body. both of them were stiff.

the paps were called becasue they left early, like really early in LA.

rainbow2

Austin is buying followers:
on 2/12/16 he has 964k now he has 981k today 2/14/16. That is a big jump.

Kitkat

thats a huge jump, considering he has done nothing to earn them in those two days. nearly 20k in 48 hours, at least samis is a little more believable with 1k here and there. but 20k? and nobody is even talking about you?
and it couldnt have been valentines day because it was only yesterday.

rainbow2

Sami jumped followers and not Zac. Zac is the bigger star than Sami. I can understand her numbers but this much?

Austin jumped this much with nothing but his series and Vanessa posting. He is buying a lot of followers.
He hasn’t posted anything on Vanessa for Valentine day why the this much followers. he last pic posted was of him and Tyler at sundance was 2 weeks ago:https://www.instagram.com/p/BBGhad7AwNG/?taken-by=austinbutler
Vanessa posted on him but over 20k is to much for him.

Kitkat

zac and vanessa are jumping less than their non famous counterparts. austins jump is way too much considering he didnt post vanessa and it would make sense if he had.

rainbow2

you said it! His team is trying to make an impression but it is showing his desperation to me.

Kitkat

vanessa and austins teams seem to work together well and like how their relationship works in the media because im pretty sure that some people in zacs team didnt like vanessa and visa versa. i guess both their teams are mutual

people wont click that his followers have gone up so much randomly because they will assume its shannara.

rainbow2

Good cover up for Austin to do it when Shannara is airing. But this much? Do you think he is buying them? I do! He is not that popular on a cable series even though it is MTV.

Kitkat

its possible that austin has gained a lot of followers purely on his looks, but hes not active enough and doesnt post nearly enough selfies to gain female fans. his photos definitely channels old hollywood, i see what appeal he is going for. his team probably said thats the best type of look since hes very quiet and “mysterious”.
shannara isnt as popular as even vanessa is trying to put out there. mtv is boring now, so its not that shannara is bad – its just that the network its being produced on is tanking. just look at teen wolf.

rainbow2

Good points you bring up! I like how you think!
Austin has gained followers but not to this degree this fast and this much. MTV used to be popular during the TRL days but now it is mostly a reality show with no videos unless they come on when I am sleeping.

So why the push for followers quickly? I don’t watch Teen Wolf. Is is a good show? I don’t see Vanessa doing PR for Shannara anymore like before. She does more for him for sure!

What a laugh

Austin’s looks are definitely an individual opinion. Even though I can understand why young girls found him “so cute” when he appeared on Zoey 101, I have never found him appealing or attractive. And to tell you the truth the more I see him now as he has gotten older the less attractive I find him. Frankly, I think he is ugly.

Kitkat

omg im glad someone said it lol.

i definitely see his “appeal” particularly to this new generation of girls – i just dont personally find it cute. his face kind of bugs me because its so long and long hair emphasises that. girls also love that hes tall and tanned, blonde, full lips. he technically has the whole package but hes still so generic with it. i never watched zoey 101 so i only knew about him through ashley on sharpays adventures.

rainbow2

Austin jumped today on followers!
yesterday on 2/14/16 he had 981k followers. Today he has 986k followers. He is buying followers. He gained 5k followers overnight? Vanessa numbers stayed the same. She has reason to jump becasue of grease, her dad, and grease airing in other countries weekly?

Kitkat

grease is airing again this week in italy and yet she hasnt jumped as much as him

maybe they had a discussion about this because it was a random jump for him. maybe they feel with her increased fame lately he needs a boost too. her appearance on project runway is sure to bring in even more attention so lets see how that goes.

rainbow2

They showed the trailer for the series already. I can understand her increased in numbers, but not his. She has been showing him but over the weekend it is to much for him. He jumped together around 25k followers? They want to get him to 1m quick!

Kitkat

with a million followers you also get a lot more sponsors which help you make money. once he hits it be sure to keep a look out on anything he decides to advertise.
is it the trailer for shannara?

rainbow2

You are making me think about what you said about Austin and Vanessa 5 year mark. He can do things on his own and support himself. What else can she do for him?

Do you know what party Vanessa and Stella went to? Was it a Moulin Rouge party?

Kitkat

exactly. its so strange how its coming up to yet another five years and it will probably be a critical part in their relationship. if they break up it proves she essentially moulded him into the celeb he needed to be and let him go. if they stay together the whispers of marriage will begin.

the project runway appearance was aired looong ago because i remember that outfit and hair in another event – im guessing she went to the event and filmed the appearance not long after

the project runway appearance doesnt surprise me. do you remember when micheal kors sent vanessa flowers and a congratulations card for gigi? im guessing they must be friends of some sort so he invited her to be on the show – he is one of the main/original hosts

the show was kind of like cirque de soleil but with swords and stuff, she didnt take austin though….its so baffling…
and they were so overdressed lol

rainbow2

Yea, I think she wore that outfit when she was in NY for an appearance. Can’t remember when.

I remember the flowers from Michael Kors. She posted the card and flowers. She probably did do it becasue of him. Good PR for her and especially since Michael Kors is a designer.

She didn’t take Austin but took her sister. on Valentine Day too. She had an excuse to come back early.
I posted this down below, but I am going to repost it here:
rainbow2
Kitkat 3 hours ago
She came back for this event on Valentine Day?
She goes away on a
romantic trip with the bf but she is posting and taking pics of sedona
all day Friday and Saturday and leaves EARLY on Sunday morning to come
back to this event with her sister Stella?

You bring up good questions! Was this a romantic getaway or a tourists brochure from Vanessa to visit it?

Kitkat

its great pr everyone knows michael kors, he works closely with top models in the industry, it exposes vanessa even more to the fashion industry.

i cant believe no one thinks it weird that not only did she not take austin to the show (or he just didnt go) but it was on valentines day!

i wonder…..if vanessa was suppose to go with austin but clearly something went wrong and maybe he bailed out so she took stella to keep her company. hmmmm…..

rainbow2

Good point again? Why take you sister on Valentine Day to a party but your bf after a romantic getaway?

Something happened or she didn’t want him. There is no way Austin is going to past this. He needs the exposure for his series. Unless he already had plans for Valentine Day with someone else.

exactly. i mean a lot of fans have brushed passed this but i want to see what happens now. they are both back in la, and somehow vanessa only had 2 tickets for the show, meaning they mustve been coming back to see it but had a fight and she took stella. because stella was just seen hanging with friends, and not to be rude but if she was having fun why would she go hang with her sister that she LIVES with? and maybe you are right, maybe she just didnt want him there

” Unless he already had plans for Valentine Day with someone else.” :O imagine! the drama lol

rainbow2

I know right!

Vanessa had already planned to attend this before going to Sedona. Austin had to know.
I did’t know Stella was hanging out with friends. Good think you follow Stella. No girl well I know I wouldn’t go with my sister if I am having a good time with friends to go to another party unless I had to do as a favor.

I feel Austin had plans with someone else. Why was Vanessa posting all day Sunday and fans really believed she was in Sedona with Austin.
He doesn’t go with her to this party. Cover up!

she seems the type to just get drunk with some friends on valentines when shes single and just have a laugh – which is fine tbh. and the fact that she was all day before means that she didnt expect to go out the night after with vanessa that would be tiring. she probably thought she had the house to herself so she would just chill because vanessa and austin would be at the show. because who wants to spend valentines with your sister?
last valentines vanessa was by herself because of gigi and austin filming shannara. this valentines isnt much different despite him being physically there.
she posted to cover his back so whatever he does doesnt matter because everyone is distracted by the pictures. we know that it was saturday they went to sedona and came back for sunday, otherwise vanessa wouldnt have been able to post about the show that same day.

she messed up by posting the show, because it proves that they did leave early on valentines day, and didnt spend the rest of the day together.

rainbow2

Stella was busy for sure! she must have been tried from hanging out with friends all day. It was hot here in Cali. Fairs are fun but hot to!

She covered his back alright! the gossip sites had her pic with others on Valentine day activities! Good point! She messed up by posting from the party. Why though? Revenge?

Kitkat

Ok so I realised that they had left the 11th feb and came back the 14th, so that’s like 2 days excluding v-day because she was with stella. So why come back on the day and then go your seperate ways?
That’s why I think sometimes he’s there sometimes he’s not because although not as famous he literally just vanishes.

rainbow2

You see the strangeness of it. I do. Austin said how it was romantic for him and his girl. From the get go it looked force to me at the airport. Paps were called. No paps are at Burbank unless called. They parked the car they were not dropped off by the car service. Vanessa posted and does her PR for Sedona for what 2 days. What alone time did they have or romantic, but defacing property, posting a fireplace and take pics of the outdoors like in their New Mexico vacation. Leave early on Sunday morning to go to this movie which the doors open at 7pm. Where is the bf with her but the sister on Valentine Day watching a romantic movie?

Kitkat

Also apparently they are in trouble for carving their names into a sacred rock in Arizona. ???? if they get in trouble what a huge backfire!

rainbow2

They should! It was wrong. You don’t do it. It is a landmark in Arizona.

Kitkat

its being covered on virtually every news/media site from DM to TMZ i cant believe these fools.

rainbow2

I know! They should have known. Wonder who did the writing Vanessa or Austin?

Kitkat

if they werent arguing before they are arguing now lol. whomever done the carving is going to get the blame, but the other person is still liable because its their name and they didnt stop them. cant really tell by the writing because its pretty terrible writing.

rainbow2

It is terrible writing! I am going with Austin not Vanessa. It is hard to scratch rock. Wonder who idea was it to crave it? LOL! She could have said she snap chat the name since the snap chat was the first pic of it! LOL!

You are right about the arguing part! LOL! They are doing it now. This is the first time Austin

Kitkat

yeah im thinking austin too. i think she told him to carve it because it sounds like something she would say.
this entire valentines event just fell apart and we actually saw it coming.

rainbow2

We did! They planned it but the end result ended up badly! Vanessa probably thought it was enough to show their love since they have been nothing on them. Starting from the airport pics which we knew paps were called the romantic getaway was planned.

What a laugh

But think about it…lots of people are saying this is going to be Vanessa’s year. It seems she is ready to make her move with getting her career going full speed ahead. With such positive reviews from Greese Live it is the right time to strike. So, what does she need? MORE PR! This thing is not that earth shattering. It is just “negative” enough to put her name back into the entertainment news. It is not like she got caught with drugs or shoplifting, etc. But it is something more than her showing up at some fashion or charity event which not too many people would care about with her stringy-haired BF who few people have still heard of. This will be taken care of and both will get their names out there.

Kitkat

ohhhhh you’re right – pr is pr whether good or bad. her name is certainly out there. i guess shes trying to balance it out.
his hair always looks greasy and he always has the same clothes on its so nasty lol

This is just a shot in the dark but maybe Austin really hates Moulin Rouge. Most people either hated that movie or loved it. I loved it, my sister hated it. It was always one of Vanessa’s big loves and on her 21st birthday she had a big Moulin Rouge cake. Consequently Zac also loved the movie. Perhaps those kind of memories that would undoubtedly come up for Vanessa is not something Austin wanted to have any part of…My husband and I did not spend all day together on Valentine’s Day. We didn’t even do anything remotely special. Maybe Austin and Vanessa had done their thing earlier in the day and she went off to do what she wanted then in the evening. Seriously, the truth is, a couple that has been together for a few years don’t find the need to be together every minute on “special” days. All the time Zac and Vanessa were together they were apart on Christmas Day. The first couple years they were together Zac went home to SLO and spent nearly two weeks.

I’m not saying I believe or disbelieve at this point if Vanessa and Austin are real. I’m just trying to point out that sometimes you might be trying to micro examine this relationship trying to find things that will prove what you want to believe. Believe me, I’m not saying these things because I am old and don’t know what it feels like to be young or a couple—when you get my age you will understand that when it comes to love some things never change. But I have had a couple relationships before I married that were a few years going and after year 3—unless you are very clingy/insecure, jealous, controlling—you have your own thing to do at times. And your partner may not want to share in everything you do or you in his things. Shared interest are great but it is just as important to feel free to do your own thing and to continue to grow as an individual.

Kitkat

you make some good points
but im gonna be honest – i love micro examining things its what helped me passed all my exams lol. and maybe its because their relationship seems so perfectly calculated and has zero visible flaws (to the media) i kind of just want to have some fun with it? i cant speak for rainbow2 but thats how i feel. sami and zacs scenario is so easy to figure out, the timing, the photos, the articles – his team sucks so even the public have caught on. vanessa and austin could actually have some feelings for each other, but im still curious about the whole dynamics. i mean i personally couldnt live with my brother and his longterm girlfriend, i would feel like im intruding, so how does stella fit into all this? then again im not her… im just thinking out loud.

rainbow2

I read the comment on What a Laugh,. Good point, but no, you spend Valentine Day together no matter what when you are that
age and their celebrity status. And there were apart last year this year
should have been “special.” Her father passed away,ore reason more
reason to stay together. You do what the girl wants than the guy. Austin bailed, simple. I don’t see fans upset because Vanessa posted pics on Sunday what they did on Saturday.

What a laugh

Well, we’ll have to differ on this. Even when Zac and Vanessa were together the one birthday of Zac’s she went to NOLA the weekend before to celebrate with him but then when his birthday happened in the middle of the week she was back in LA. There have been times as I said before WHEN I WAS THEIR AGE AND IN A RELATIONSHIP but did not spend all day or even the “special” day (or what most people classify as a special day) with my love. It had nothing to do with how hot I was for the person or him for me. Some times thing go on that we know nothing about. This is not to say they are the real deal or not the real deal, ONLY that this kind of thing is not written in stone or sometimes there are circumstances we do not know about. We just need to keep that in mind.

What a laugh

Well, we’ll have to differ on this. Even when Zac and Vanessa were together the one birthday of Zac’s she went to NOLA the weekend before to celebrate with him but then when his birthday happened in the middle of the week she was back in LA. There have been times as I said before WHEN I WAS THEIR AGE AND IN A RELATIONSHIP but did not spend all day or even the “special” day (or what most people classify as a special day) with my love. It had nothing to do with how hot I was for the person or him for me. Some times thing go on that we know nothing about. This is not to say they are the real deal or not the real deal, ONLY that this kind of thing is not written in stone or sometimes there are circumstances we do not know about. We just need to keep that in mind.

rainbow2

I understand what you are saying but the point Vanessa and Austin made was there were going away on this romantic trip which mostly they worked and did PR for Sedona. They were not together last year, This year should have been special for the both of them. It wasn’t.

Austin bailed for a reason and Vanessa didn’t take him. I get maybe he didn’t like Moulin Rouge but don’t you go with the gf if she wants to see it out of love for her regardless of the past bf.

What a laugh

I know a lot of guys who absolutely would not go strictly due to a past SERIOUS BF—especially if that past BF was Zac Efron and half the world knew he had a great deal to do with with the girl’s 21st birthday party which had a Moulin Rouge theme.

Kitkat

ah forgot about that… he really knew her inside out didnt he…

What a laugh

Yeah he did…and there are too many old “Zanessa” fans out there who remember that time too. So I don’t think they want to have anything that brings that back to light since 1) I believe Austin was brought into the picture to help Vanessa distance herself from Zac and 2) there is no way Austin is going to outdo Zac in popularity even at this point. So having any association with something which brings Zac into the mix would be better off avoided.

Kitkat

i think one thing people couldnt argue was that they were very good friends and thats key in hollywood where everyone is so fake and wishy washy. i remember reading on an astrology (yes i occasionally read astrology sue me lol) site i think astrochicks and they said in 2012 that vanessa wont be marrying austin but he will play an important part in her life. they also said she will return to tv and she did so….

What a laugh

I’m very adept when it comes to astrology and maybe I will discuss that at some time but I won’t right now since I have long past that. I don’t live by that anymore. Anyway, I believe it was astrochicks who said when Zac and Vanessa first broke up and were rumored to still be seeing each other at times how she is not one to change her mind when she makes a decision so it was not likely they would get back together at that time. They said she would probably become involved with a couple of different guys and one may actually be rather serious and then she may draw back to her first love… Ok, does that sound like the Josh and then Austin situation? (Cue the Twilight Zone music) Was this true and on the money OR were they being “fed” some info? It almost seems fishy. But I have reason to believe there was a lot of possibilities for Zac and Vanessa to get back together and that it might have been part of their plans. But, I think something went wrong and they parted ways for good some time after he had gone to the Philippines. His party ways and his party friends may have caused problems to enter the picture and make her think twice about hooking back up with him. We’ll have to wait and see.

rainbow2

“Perfectly calculated,” I like what you wrote. This is what it is perfectly calculated!

What a laugh

Believe me, I have no problem with someone who micro examines things. I can pick things apart with the best of ‘em. That’s how I get into trouble so many times. I can tell when something does not add up or something is “off” with what someone says or does. I just think it it good to be realistic and see the whole picture. And the truth s, the media has not always found Vanessa and Austin flawless. When they first started out lots of sites were calling them out as PR and fake. There was one particular site that was ruthless. It was like blind gossip is with Zac and Sami now. But most people stop doing it after they had past the 3 year mark part was due (I think) to the media/people had lost interest in Vanessa and the fact so much time had past. They had travelled all over together and Vanessa had started posting how Austin was the “love of her life”…that is a big statement to make. Then she started talking about how it would be great to be married to him, etc. I’m one of those who lost interest and who got mad at her for saying and doing things in regards to Austin that she never did with Zac even though he was always talking and gushing about Vanessa.

As far as Stella goes, she hung out a lot with Zac and Vanessa too—especially when they first started dating. Stella one time said of the two of them how they were OBSESSED with each other so maybe she felt kind of pushed out of that twosome. She’s just so used to being around her sister since she was very young.

One last thing and then I will go away and let you and rainbow talk. I will stop being a third wheel. It’s just there are many things I know concerning Vanessa and Austin and Vanessa and Josh. And I will say again, I always believed Austin is gay and he and Vanessa were fake. But as I also said on the Zac thread, I got had some really bad battles there with a certain person telling me I didn’t know what I was talking about and that Vanessa and Audtin were the real deal. But this is what I also wanted to say:

The question was posed: if Austin prefers blondes then why date a brunette? First, obviously there is no law that says a person who likes blondes or redheads, etc, can’t suddenly find a brunette attractive and interesting.but why would he date Vanessa? Well, go back to that time. Austin is trying to make it in Hollywood. He has done two movies with Ashley and he follows her everywhere—she must think she can get him (as well as herself) some PR. The fact is nobody cares what Is happening with Ashley even if she burst out in flames. Vanessa on the other hand has been hounded by the media for being 1/2 of one of the biggest super couples of all time. BUT at that very moment she has broken off with her longtime love and is still being pursued to see if she will be caught seeing Zac or if there is any new developments in getting back together. SO, she is in desperate need of some kind of distraction to make the media know she and Zac are through so she can get on with her SINGLE career plans. Now you tell me, what better way was there for Austin to gain notoriety and the media to stop longing that “Zanessa” would get back together? So Vanessa got what she wanted too. You see, nobody thought Josh and Vanessa were real. He was this short little stocky kid who certainly did not “measure up” to he likes of gorgeous Zac Efron. Josh and Vanessa just didn’t really look good together. And he still was a bit too young. So the team’s moved on and came up with “Vaustin”. That’s the simple truth of it if you ask me. I think the two of them were just as obvious then as Zac and Sami are now. Paps were constantly called and there were two sides fighting it out. Vanessa stans loved Austin and thought he made her happy because he didn’t treat her like Zac, blah, blah, blah. And numerous people hated on Austin. But after so long of a time, people started believing or just didn’t care anymore. That’s why I see no soon end to come of “Zami”.

Kitkat

you make some good points.
i dont have a problem with you posting at all, its open. we all have opinions and we arent always going to agree because its a discussion.
i agree with you about how people didnt believe austin and vanessa were real at the start – the media definitely made that clear. but nowadays – until this sedona defacing – people including the media adore them so its like they never hated them in the first place. and with her saying she would marry him made my eyes roll back so hard lol it was ridiculous. because she could be lying but people would think “why would she lie about something so serious?” i could think of a few!
stella and vanessas relationship reminds me of khloe and rob kardashian. you could tell they were the closest in the show to the point where rob lived with khloe for a long time. he saw her as a second mom to the point where he go too dependant on her – forgetting she isnt his mom but his sister. i think thats a similar scenario with vanessa and stella.

and with austin having a type – i dont think its vanessa. vanessa is exotically beautiful and i wouldnt pair him with someone like that. he followed ashley around like a puppy so i definitely know hes fame hungry and quite tactical. like you said ashley is boring but vanessa still has some media outlets behind her. enough to make austin happen – as well as distract people from zac. austin is more believable in comparison to josh because of obvious reasons. maybe josh was offended by that lol.

zami is def here to stay.

rainbow2

Zac is probably trying to outshine Vanessa relationship with him. The problem is Sami and him already showed how they don’t have any chemistry at all! Zac is over it!

My dear friend! Love her! She keeps everything! Did I say I adore her
already and love her! LOL! She has been following Zac and Vanessa for a
long time. I just became interested really into maybe around the time
she was with Zac ending and beyond. Like hit and miss kinda thing.
Well, my friend was all over the internet trying to get stuff all the time.
She still had some stuff on her computer. Can you believe it? LOL!
Anyway she gave me this today :http://pissoffhollywood.tumblr.com/post/17966796644/ive-gotten-so-many-questions-about-vanessa
I don’t know how accurate this is but after reading it, I think it is similar to blind items which you have to take with a grain of salt, I kinda have to believe some of it. I knew like we discussed her.

My friend reminded me! Did I say how I
love her! I don’t think this site exist anymore from what my friend told me. She really liked the site at the time. She is trying to find out ones from this site but she kept this one. She saw the fake from the beginning. You don’t see Austin and Vanessa like
this anymore. They were over the top with the PDA!.

What a laugh

Yeah, that is the site I was referring to this morning that really fried them when they first came out. However, before that site closed up shop that lady stopped saying they were fake and said they were really dating. I had questioned her about her change of heart and she got quite nasty with me. She informed me I should get over it and accept the truth. SO. I don’t know if things changed between Vanessa and Austin or if the woman hot paid off because shortly after she started saying they were real she ship down the site. And she used to rag on a lot of different celebs—but Austin and and Vanessa seemed to be her favorite.

Kitkat

thats very strange – and its true that she clearly had a particular interest in them. she even implied that vanessa had very few friends because of how she is, and that even some co stars dislike her including james franco which is a bold statement – so why change your mind? she even provided proof of when vanessa has changed clothes to prolong the pr on jj. so it suddenly doesnt matter? very fishy.

Kitkat

im screaming at that website its literally what we have all been saying this entire time plus more.

she even mentions how they go their separate ways right after the kissing photos – just like valentines day!

now i know why lainey used to call her an a- hole because its too many candids for someone this non famous. and i genuinely – like genuinely – believe there is something wrong with her. she has even been scolded for her attention seeking. what happened to her as a child that she literally cant live without the paps? stella is the same, but on a social media level and she goes through tons of friends.

she puts it out there too much for her and austin to be real. she protests too much but luckily people believe it. im a fan of her work but not her personally shes just too irritating

the co stars thing is what we have always mentioned, how can her co stars always love her? some must hate her and the image she puts out there.

and what the writer always says as the end is how shes smart in keeping certain things completely unknown. but she needs to be careful if she slips up and the paps decide to take a picture at the wrong time.

if she wants to be taken seriously she needs to stop with the paps so that with new found fame shes more in demand but ugghhhh she does not listen.

rainbow2

I had my doubts before the site but I wasn’t to interested. My friend was the one who followed Vanessa trying to convince me they were not real. It was to much PDA and to many pics of them doing cuties stuff. It wasn’t low key. It was BANG! from the get go. I started to see what she was saying and had to agree. Vanessa and Austin do it better but you can see the lack of closeness in the pics. After reading the back thread on Zac and his lack of chemistry you can see it in Vanessa and Austin too.

rainbow2

Agreed! Right now, she is getting the attention. I would say she almost reached A-list status by doing Grease and getting recognized for it. she got there without being part of Zac.

She is smart. People don’t giver her credit for being smart. I agree about her personal life. She needs to stop it but for a reason she is continuing it.

The blind was an eye opener for me. I had my doubts about them Vanessa and Austin being a real couple. It looked to force to quickly with him. he was Ashley friends who wasn’t noticed when they were out together.

Kitkat

also vanessa and james had so much tension so it makes sense that she would publicly say she didnt enjoy the scenes with him just to get back at him.
vanessa and selena had the same team at one point its no wonder they did the same things. only difference is selena is papped a lot less, and selena literally has no talent whereas at least vanessa can actually sing and act so it hasnt completely limited her options. selena is now getting a lot of schtick for constantly talking about not wanting to talk about bieber – the irony lol.

What a laugh

LOL, I really think Selena has a great voice!

Kitkat

lol i hope you are kidding because :S
shes a lovely girl but her voice has absolutely no depth. shes only good at pop songs because they dont require hitting actual notes.

What a laugh

I guess I have to admit that I’ve only heard her sing a couple of times but I did thing she sounded pretty good. LOL

Kitkat

lol at least you are positive

rainbow2

Selena needs the PR Beiber gets. He has to many followers and clout right now to help her.
She can’t act. She can sing somewhat. She is around him when she has an album to promote. She begins talking about him.

Vanessa needed the PR with Austin in the beginning to show how she moved on from Zac. Zac at the time was a major part of the couple but he had his own identity. She had to break away and Josh helped but Austin was the bf with no baggage and friends with Austin to do it. Perfect!

James shouldn’t talk right now when he uses social media a lo todayt. Back than it wasn’t used as much as it is now.

Kitkat

also i forgot that josh came out as bi not long ago – and i bet he said bi because hes publicly dated women so it could ruin their reps too if he came out as gay ….we’re looking at you vanessa.

and i just looked at some old pics of austin and BOY does he look GAY. im like huh???? vanessa literally just re-moulded him so he is a little less gay and “manly”

rainbow2

Doesn’t he look gay Austin! He did a change with Vanessa. She made him look good. See how Sami makes Zac look cheap.

Did you see the pic of Austin braiding Ashley hair while Vanessa was there?

Kitkat

hes like the gay best friend lol. im only now having this revelation. all 3 would go to the gym together, have a laugh together it was all so weird. he got less feminine with her, but i bet she dressed him thats why.

braiding ashleys hair!!??? oh dear lol

rainbow2

You don’t turn off being gay! I think he was from the get go. What a laugh says might be true why he didn’t date in Hollywood but this is a guy who hung out on sets with girls his age and nothing? Like nothing? He is shy but when you are in Hollywood! He had to date someone. Nothing on record? I get what What a Laugh was saying but something is off!

Kitkat

austin was introduced to a bunch of hollywood guys by lucas grabeel including colton haynes who has a ton of gay rumors surrounding him and basically said its true on tumblr then deleted.

maybe because he is so good at keeping secrets, thats why vanessa was ok with pairing with him, she knew there was less chance of anything coming up

its been 5 years and no crazy ex has come out of the woodworks.

rainbow2

Good points! Colton is gay! Sorry for saying it, but he is to many rumors swirlling around him. I know you can hang with them. I do, but there is something with Austin with certain friends. Colton, Shawn, Oliver, and some other guys I have seen him with.

He is good at keeping secrets. He has for over 4 years.

Austin has made a name for himself or is well known. Somebody should have come out by now by a crazy ex girl!

What a laugh

I remember when Vanessa and Austin first came out as dating there were only pics of him with girls—as I said yesterday, he as constantly going shopping with them and was even seen doing Ashley’s hair. That is one reason why gay questions came up. That’s when some fans insisted he did have some guy friends he hung around with. But as you have pointed out, it seems most of the guys we see him with appear to be gay.

Kitkat

yep.
and funny i remember how vanessa and austin used to be very close with shawn, just them 3. a lot of the time. people started to catch on and now we barely see them together. shawns sexuality has always been a debate and he gets aggravated if you ask him if hes gay. someone said he should date vanessa but he replied that “vanessa and austin are perfect for each other” people took it that shawn is a good friend that secretly has a crush on vanessa. i took it that hes in on the pr to maintain their image. and that he actually is into austin.

and i mentioned this before but vanessa hangs out with a lot of gay guys, like an unusual amount. theres nothing wrong with it but theres a point where you question when her bf is also best friends with them too.

What a laugh

Frankly I frankly I have often felt and wondered just how comfortable she was with guys…I mean, after she and Zac broke up we saw her and some of her girlfriends going to gay bars. You’d think at that point she would have wanted to play the field a little bit. It wasn’t like she was some little virginal ingenue. I mean she had been having a very s*xual relationship with Zac for nearly 5 years and there had been the n*de photos so she wasn’t innocent. Plus if she would have either wanted to make Zac jealous or come out with some new guy to promote her new career choices you would have thought she would have chosen some hunk that was a MAN and a bit older than her and not two BOYS like Josh and Austin who were like 3-4 years younger than her. That was one of her biggest mess-ups. I mean she chooses Josh who she knew pretty well by then and most likely had limited ADULT—I mean real ADULT experience. Then when he didn’t meet the bill in many ways as I have pointed out she went out and got someone just as probably inexperienced. I believe she may have a problem being with someone who is say 30-32 even now. I think she is kind of afraid of that—that they may be a bit too dominating. I think she wants to have the lead in some ways where she feels like she can control stuff. I think she was pampered and babied and Zac was always so worried someone was going to hurt or r@pe her that she just isn’t comfortable.

What a laugh

Anyway, I forgot to add, I think this is why she hangs out with so many gay/gay type men.

Kitkat

yeah its clearly a power thing which can translate to an ego issue. gay men can typically be quite feminine and she probably feels she can handle that more than an actual man. i think it was during the promo of —-some movie i cant remember which one —– but vanessa was saying that abroad in europe (particularly italy and spain) the men are very handsome but she said the amount of attention she got from them was overwhelming. it made me think why? she must get a lot of attention in la so why was it overwhelming in europe? and then i remembered the culture difference. in europe, the men are a lot more forward. they know what they want and are out on the prowl – they ooze se x appeal from their pores and lure women with their accents. and to be honest some of the men that vanessa was approached by are probably the male versions of her – even in looks….dark hair, olive skin and dark eyes. its a threat to her because she cant handle it. and i wonder if she will ever get to point of handling it. because there is no way she is going to settle with austin when he barely touches her…

and maybe being paired up with someone all the time helps her feel less vulnerable because she has hardly ever been single publicly.

rainbow2

Good point! There is a reason for her to be in a relationship. She is probably dong it for a reason. If she was serious with a man she would date older men. Right now, she doesn’t.

What a laugh

I don’t think it has anything to do with how serious she is. I think it is just control or how confident she feels with the guy. And I don’t think she would feel confident or in control of an older guy. As she gets older it will be interesting to see what kind of guys she goes for. However she said in an interview a couple years ago she would marry and have a child by the time she was 30…well, Vanessa time is quickly passing…

What a laugh

It was when they were doing the HSM3 tour that happen. Also, I think she feels more secure if she has a “BF” all the time. I think she think she thinks it will keep from guys hitting on her all the time or she will have an excuse to rebuff them. I also think if she has a fairly young BF then the press won’t push her as much as to when she is getting married AND if she has a BF then she won’t have to play the Hollywood game of being seen with various dates/suitors.

Kitkat

i remember laura also used to perform at gay clubs with her group and some fans found that rather strange.
and im not gonna lie i did think i was being sexist because vanessa would only date younger guys, but now i see im not alone in thinking this. both were clearly inexperienced and its like she took great pleasure in controlling them. anyone can be controlling no matter what age, i mean stella even has a hand over vanessa and shes not even 21.
even if her relationship with zac wasnt super s exual they clearly were still intimate and she seemed experienced enough given her scandal. she didnt pick up men she picked up boys during their teens because she could mould them. but i dont think she can. i remember zac or ashley saying vanessa was very naive and that would worry them and made them protective. she has a very childlike mind that can be easily manipulated and i feel like austin could be manipulating her but she doesnt want to believe it because he is young

i think she could still have someone in secret that is like zac where he is her age but not controlling. i feel like she might have gone through something that made her like this, maybe even when she was heavily scolded by the disney execs for her scandal it made her fearful of older men.

What a laugh

Actually Zac and Vanessa were very sexual—that was obvious. However, the kind of started on the same rail of the latter. I remember a special on the E! Channel where they were showing couples and how they interacted. They were showing the pics from T&C when they went and they were rolling around in the sand under the umbrella making out. The relationship/sex experts said that the way they were in the pics that Vanessa clearly was the DOMINATE one in the relationship and she lead the sexual exploits which were probably many. I wonder if Zac may have gotten a lot more bold and aggressive and started taking more of a le ad in the bedroom and it kind of scared her. Sometimes that is how certain drugs work on people. He may have become a bit jealous and over protective and along with that started getting a backbone to where he wasn’t leading her call the shots anymore. Maybe she didn’t like that. I do think she is scared to let a real man’s man be in charge . I also have been led to believe she got that from her mom. If her mom was the one who wore the pants in the family then the girls would have surely seen that and been influenced. But Vanessa always said she was shy and scared of crowds. However, in private she may have been just the opposite.

Kitkat

i was more just giving an alternative view that even if they werent that sexual (i have a friend who is more into hugging and kissing rather than intercourse) they still were clearly intimate.
thinking back on the T&C pictures, vanessa was very dominant and she was the one leading him on not the other way around. it would make sense if zac decided to take control and it scared her – especially if she isnt use to losing control of situations like that. she seems like someone who is just a naturally – perhaps overtly – sexual person who knows what she wants and needs someone to support that rather than overpower it. maybe zacs ninjas made fun of him and it got his back up because hes not dominant with her. it would make sense if it was around the time of him deciding to go to strip clubs. thats a completely different world where the man can escape to think he is in charge (i mean c’mon the women are clearly winning if they make thousands a night to show some skin). i would like to see her with an actual man not a boy because we never have seen her interact on that level as an adult – with zac she was still very young.

it would definitely make sense if she got it from her mom. stella even dated younger but still ended up with her heart broken by a 14 year old jaden smith.
vanessa is definitely different in private and if the nude scandal hadnt come out i think we would still believe that she was shy and quiet. the scandal exposed another layer of her that she didnt want out – not just physically but mentally. she is straight forward with what she wants and is out to get it and is going to tell you whether you like it or not.

What a laugh

Yeah, Zac did take flack from some of his “buddies” about Vanessa’s control and he alluded to that in a couple magazine interviews some years back—before he and Vanessa broke up. Vanessa on the other hand just recently in a Greese Live promo said how she was straight forward and said what she thought if you wanted to hear it or not. Carlos Pena even kind of teased her about that.

Kitkat

its funny im gonna bring up the astrology again im sorry lol but they said waayyyy back in 2011 that vanessa is the dominant one and i only just remembered it when you said it yesterday. they said he catered to her greatly because he was a charmer however now and again she would take advantage of that. but heres what i didnt get – they said austin was the complete opposite and controlled her instead because of his macho nature …but she seems the type that doesnt like to be man-handled and he doesnt even seem manly. the only instance i thought it couldve been true was candids of her gripping onto him tight when they first started dating – she looked needy but she is still an actress. and when they first started holding hands, fans noticed that he didnt actually hold her hand just gripped the entire thing lol.

yeah i remember her saying she was straight forward – and it must be true because shes said it a few times in interviews. carlos picked up on it too and he was pretty nervous with doing scenes with her i imagine her just telling him to toughen up lol she seems the type.

What a laugh

I had read some of that but it was how Zac had always caved to Vanessa’s demands but Austin was about to do that and so Vanessa was really into that or something to that effect. But when it came out about Audtin being so macho, I laughed and thought it was just his team trying to make him seem more manly and not so girly. I also thought they were trying to make him look more mature since he was still a teenager and Vanessa was older.

Kitkat

yeah like macho is such an exaggeration. and he was 19! im 19 and nobody my age is “macho” you need to give it some time before that even sets in – if it does.
vanessa looked so needy dating him because she was so clingy and she was never like that with zac. it was definitely to garner up attention – she needed a different approach to have people talking.

What a laugh

But again, due to his age when he started doing the movies Aliens in the Attic and Sharpay’s Adventure with Ashley and then got with Vanessa, I seriously doubt he has anyone to come out of the woodwork to spill anything bad about him.

Kitkat

thats true, he was very young and i think that could even apply to zac and vanessa. they both started hsm in the mid to late teens which is usually when you start actually dating these days. its no surprise that they havent had any crazy exes either

What a laugh

Exactly, I think they were each other’s first serious love.

rainbow2

No problem with your opinion. You have good theories and information I didn’t know which can be looked at differently with Vanessa and Austin. I don’t discount your feelings or information. It is good. Why would you go away? I don’t get it? You are welcome, but we might not agree with you but it doesn’t have to interferre what we have to say. All information is welcome! We get to see other sides and rethink what we have.

Good points you bring up! I had no idea about Vanessa and Austin blind gossip and how she said it about Austin being the love of her life. Good move on her part. She got fans to see them as real when they were considered fake. She lasted this long with him so it has to be real.

JMO> Josh is the rebound guy. Austin is the guy who is with Vanessa to go places/escort.

What a laugh

But it was in her last TV interviews while she was promoting Gimme Shelter and that was after talk of her relationship with Autin was fake had died down that she said he was the LOVE.OF.HER.LIFE. That’s really saying something. A person can say “I love you” to several different people and actually mean it but saying someone is the love of your life is not something you really can take back or that it was a mistake. A person only has one life. And if she is just blowing smoke, trying to convince people they are real, or even trying to hurt Zac she is never going to be able to take that back without looking stupid. And what if Austin comes out as gay later??? See, no mater what she is going to look stupid. Even if she just confessed that this has all been a sham she will look stupid. So, the only way she doesn’t look stupid is for this to be the real deal—but we all have questions about that. Frankly, I can believe the two of them are real more than I can Zac and Sami.

About 3 years ago a good friend of mine was in LA on vacation and she went by Vanessa’s house to see if she could see anything going on. All she saw at that time was Austin’s Prius sitting there at her house.so who knows?

Kitkat

its so true and it sucks that it might be for a long run. they must have a really good contract set up. shes said too much (not him funnily enough) so she cant take it back unless something really bad happens like he is caught cheating. that is the ONLY way she will leave looking good in this relationship. or they can say the stress of losing parents around the same time put a strain on the relationship, because that happens and is believable.

What a laugh

Yeah, I think it would have to be something about the parents since cheating wouldn’t look good on her part as she has already been accused of doing that to Zac. And it wouldn’t make him look very sympathetic but with the parent angle they both would look sympathetic.

Kitkat

im curious as to how you think the cheating would make vanessa look bad? wouldnt it look more like karma if she was “cheated” and now ends up cheated on? or do you think it makes her look like a hypocrite? i can kind of see that.

yeah the parents angle can allow them to seperate on good terms because it was an emotional problem that is hard to fix when you are both going through the same grieving process.

i wonder how they would hang out with friends though because at least zac and vanessa had a separate set of friends that they could hang out with no matter what happened. vanessa and austin have merged their friends group together that makes it difficult to leave.

What a laugh

Well, when Zac and Vanessa broke up so many automatically thought It must be that Zac cheated even though the one point of news was the breakup had NOTHING to do with cheating from either person. But there was chatter how “well” Vanessa and Josh seemed to be getting along from the moment they arrived in Hawaii. Then when Vanessa apparently started dating Josh and seemed to want people to believe that she got blasted as to how SHE must have cheated on Zac. As I said earlier, as that story got around and people hated on her she made a quick change and even had her big mouthed mom saying they were just friends and never dated. If she would be seen as a cheater this time then the Josh stuff would come back and she would be branded a cheater if she got with someone else.

If Austin cheated on Vanessa then Vanessa would be felt sorry for and Zac haters would come back to say poor Vanessa has now been cheated on twice. Some would make fun of her—like BO and say they love it and she deserved it, blah, blah. But Austin would be hated for hurting Vanessa and being a CHEAT. Hey, nobody likes a chest. Since Austin is having trouble getting a decent career going as it is then it would not help him look sympathetic. But some might like him better because he find cheat on Vanessa Hudgens. But if was said to be a cheater then it is sure there would be rumors flying that Vanessa was a b^tch and controlling, etc, so Austin wouldn’t look bad. That’s why you can’t always believe all the hype when it comes to a breakup in Hollywood. Each celeb’s team goes into action to protect their client. But when Ryan P cheated on Reese Witherspoon and was actually seen with Abbey Cornish or a long time both Ryan and Abbey lost lots of followers and jobs. Ryan and Reese had been one of those “power” couples like Brad and Angie and Zac and Vanessa. But after he cheated you rarely heard anything about him.

they are being investigated for basically attempting to be romantic by carving their names into sacred rocks :/

the maximum penalty is $5000 fine and/or 6 months in jail

this got serious really quickly. it was stupid but jail seems ridiculous.

she also deleted the picture, probably advised by her team

rainbow2

See how their, “romantic,” getaway was staged! They should have known especially if it is posted on trails or somewhere that graffiti will not be tolerated especially at land marks.

They should get fined or she will plead to a lesser charged along wtih Austin.

Someone said something and looked at it. Well she took it down but it is already posted and fans got it. The evidence is there.

Kitkat

there mustve been signs to say no graffiti on landmarks, and if not, they wouldve been told by people since its so serious.

everyone is calling them childish and fake which is doing the reverse of what they wanted.

and now
they will lose some rep AND possibly have a fine. the fact that it is both their names brings them both down.
i think she will get fined. its become too big to not get fined. and it could be a huge fine if they cant actually get their names off the rock.

rainbow2

They had to be if it is a landmark. I would to, but everyone does it probably and don’t get caught becasue they are not stars. Vanessa posted it to look cute, but it backfired. She needs to sweep this under the rug quick. Paid the fine and do some kind of statement.

He has his show still. She is not doing anything right now which is good on her part.

She was smart taking it down on her instragram but it is still there.

She will have name remove from the rock along with Austin. She will get someone from the park to do it. It doesn’t look deep maybe just scratch the surface.

Kitkat

we discussed this too – vanessa never knows when to just stop. we knew she would take it to far and she did.
sites are saying it might not have been even investigated if she didnt plaster the name sedona on every ig picture. they might have got away with it if they werent blatantly advertising.

she should just pay the fine and make a statement like you said. people are already calling her stupid for acting like 12 yr olds in love. only kids do this. she takes being young forever too literal.

it doesnt look deep so for her sake i hope it can be scratched off

im more concerned about her career since its only JUST taken off and shes probably got tons of offers since grease live.

rainbow2

you bring good points. I think this is a minor offense nothing like what Sami did with Zac about MLK/his followers post. She is not getting heat similar to Zac. She will sweep this under the rock quick. She took it down right after or before the gossip sites posted it? It was on this weekend. It was taken down today?

It might hurt Austin but he is not a big star compare to Vanessa. This is a love message gone wrong but with good intentions. Not a big of deal. Just stupid love.

I don’t think this was hurt Vanessa’ career. It is not what Zac is doing which is Zac’s health an issue along with production costs. She wasn’t doing it on their time but on hers.

Kitkat

thats true but i always think you never know how the media is going to turn on you.
some people do have sympathy because not only is it still just a rock, but she just lost her dad – its a moment of give the girl a break.
i think maybe a fine of at least 2000. but whos going to pay it? will they split it? will it turn into a whole other fiasco of who wrote the names? because lets just say austin wrote it, would that mean he has to pay it?

rainbow2

She will pay if she and Austin are a PR couple. She probably covered the cost since he went for her. Sad but true to me. The interview he did for Yoga Hosers the lady said he planned something for her not Vanessa right?

I wrote this is the first time Austin had any bad PR at him! LOL! Welcome to Hollywood!

Kitkat

she probably paid for everything like she always does. i think the interview was longer but they only cut out the bit where he talks about valentines so im not sure if he says vanessas name.

this is the first bad pr for him! he needs it though – every star has good and bad, he better get used to it.

rainbow2

He better! It comes with the territory. It is bad, but not career threatening. He will recover from it.

Vanessa will pick up the cost. Austn won’t. We will be getting paps pics of them out and about today or tomorrow to show how they are a strong couple!

What a laugh

Really, she has always been rather calculating. I think she pretty much knew what she was doing. She already had a plan how to get back out there to start working after she broke up with Zac (Josh as was predicted in the one blind). She was also calculating enough to know quickly that her linked with him simply was not going to work for several reason 1) he was getting ready to embark on the Hunger Games which would have made him more popular than her like Zac was, 2) people hated them together because he was such a kid that didn’t measure up in any way to Zac Efron, and 3) gossip started that she had CHEATED on Zac with this little stumpy not-that-great-looking guy. It was said that Zac flew to be with her in Hawaii because he heard about her imposing infidelity—which I find a total laugh and she knew that would really torpedo her rating with lots of fans to think she cheated. SOooo, she quickly “changed the storyline” to how they were just friends. Her mother also got into the act and stated how they were just friends and had always been just friend and how they never dated. And as for Stella at that time…some people speculated that it was Josh and Stella who were the item because she had been with them so many times and was so flirty with him. Yeah, Stella gas her own issues with famewh0ring… The whole family—except for Vanessa’s dad—always was in there helping Vanessa’s PR. Thst’s another reason why I got to disliking her at that time.

Kitkat

im telling you vanessa is lucky she never lost her looks because she wouldve lost the plot by now if people just werent interested in her face.

of course lol
its ironic that vanessa who is all nature loving defaces a rock thats said to be sacred.

rainbow2

Good point! Gotta love the irony of the situation! LOL! Didn’t JJ and JJj came out really quick with the post as well as other sites!

Kitkat

came out very quick, they are still coming too. vanessa shouldnt even come out until this is fully cleared because paps are ruthless. she should just talk to the cops and pay the fine

and to think if she didnt feel the need to show off this fauxmance they would be fine.

rainbow2

I know! She did to much for the fauxmance! Yea, she needs to clear this up quick. And for the fake bf because he still has his series. Funny how Austin might not say anything and it will be Vanessa team issuing the apology.

Kitkat

someone said they think austin wrote it because his name is first and that makes sense lol you usually put your name first. and vanessa has pretty handwriting and this writing is terrible.

also they can just flip the rock over right? lol problem solved

What a laugh

IDK, I don’t think anybody’s hand writing is going to look good on a rock—especially if it was carved.

Kitkat

zac dating someone secretly but using sami for the public eye could easily apply to vanessa as well. she could be helping austin for pr but has been dating someone else secretly.

funny how both of them are trying to date people to keep up a “type” (zac is exotic women and vanessas is blue eyed “pretty” men) but like we said before they may not even have a definite type. for all we know zac likes all types of women and is dating a redhead and vanessa likes all types of guys and is dating an italian.

they are both easy on the eyes and constantly get attention for their looks – even abroad. there is no way they are keeping up this image of being in a relationship all the time, guaranteed they have slipped up.

What a laugh

Adam Shankman once tweeted when everyone was insisting how Zac loved exotic women that Zac didn’t have a type, he just loved ALL women. And I think Zac could become involved with any woman if he felt romantically about her. But he had said how he loved the Catherine Zeta Jones type look and always loved Tyra Banks. He even said when asked if he thought he had a type which wasn’t all that long ago he answered and said “my brother thinks I do” which says to me that it certainly seems like he does. And he said the stuff about Catherine Zeta Jones YEARS and years ago—before he ever worked with Vanessa. And Vanessa had said when she was just starting to work on HSM how she preferred surfer guys and she had a weakness for blue eyes. But that may have been a way of flirting with Zac.

Kitkat

exactly. i dont think he has a type its just for the media. vanessa i dont even think has a type it was just for some pr with zac because he had blue eyes.

What a laugh

But I really do think Zac has a type. As I said, he talked about people like Catherine Zeta Jones and Tyra Banks when he was like 15 and that was w at before he had met Vanessa. Plus he went to the Thundrbirds’ premier and saw Vanessa when she. Was like 14 and he w as 15 and said in an interview then how he would like to work with her one day…the boy was smitten even then. He said he tried to meet her at that time but there were too many people around her. I truly believe when he said his brother thought he had a type that Dylan knew perfectly well he tended to like dark haired girls that had a different look about them than the good ole American girl next door type. But as I also said, I think if Zac felt a romantic spark he could start a relationship with anyone—he’d probably give anyone a chance if there was a spark! LOL

Kitkat

oh man i completely forgot about the thunderbirds premiere. all i was thinking of was their initial meeting during hsm being good promo to hint to liking each other. i completely forgot that he had met her before and was set on talking to her – it was mentioned in the unscripted interview right? and vanessa was like “i dont remember you” and he was adamant on trying to make her remember lol it was so cute. yeah i see your point after re-evaluating. dark haired girls with uncommon looks seem to catch his eye. whether or not people find vanessa attractive, they definitely think her look is uncommon particularly in hollywood. you cant quite pin point her race/ethnicity and its probably because she is heavily multiracial (and so is stella but she just came out with more asian features). she reminds me of my brazilian friend who always had people questioning her race because her looks were so different and her family was so diverse.

vanessas type only seems to be blue eyes at this point lol because there is literally no correlation that can be made between zac and austin.

What a laugh

Actually, Zac never got to meet her at the Thundrrbirds premier. He tried and he said he stood in line to get to do so but in the end too many people were around. But it was like he saw her for the first time there and was smitten.

rainbow2

Both Zac and Vanessa are hiding something and showing the world their bf/gf with the paps pics. Vanessa does all these paps pics fans don’t see what she is doing privately.

Just My PO

He does like all types of women so im always amused he/the team keep pushing this “type” BS. He’s been around the block a few times in HW and those women certainly didn’t meet this “type” requirement. They were blondes and there was a redhead/strawberry blond even at one. Im quite baffled by the angle of narrowing his appeal by pushing the “type” line. Then again he/the team peddle so much BS these days I don’t think there is truth in any of it. Once upon a time you could read between the lines and pull some truth from it, not at all these days!

What a laugh

I think he did the type thing yo himself. Ever since he was on Summerland he named people like Catherine Zeta Jones as women he had a crush on. Then he told how he loved Tyra Banks and even tore a picture of her out of one of his mom’s magazines and taped it to the ceiling over his bed(he and his brother had bunk beds and he was in the top bed) so he could lie in his bed and look at her pretty soft skin. Then when he started HSM he would name dimilar type girls as ones he liked—however at that time he was trying to get Vanessa so I think that may have been why he kept naming all the dark-haired girls/women st get time. But he also claimed not long ago in an interview that his brother says he has a type. However at this point I’m sure he is trying to bed as many women as he can. That seems to be what young “heart throbs” do in Jollywood.

Just My PO

Lol perhaps his bro thinks his type is “easy” or “trashy” … It may not have anything to do with aesthetics ????

What a laugh

LOL

Kitkat

you are correct in the idea that narrowing his options also narrows his appeal to the masses. but its like they keep pairing him publicly with “exotic” women so that it still keeps him somewhat linked to vanessa. or maybe its because it makes him different? or maybe his team somehow thought it would look weird if he suddenly didnt date someone who had dark features…. its strange either way because its like he cant back out of it now. he shouldve went public with lily because she has great appeal for her classic english rose look.

Just My PO

I feel like that angle is always pushed. Like I said, he’s been around the block with others and they certainly didn’t fit “team requirements” I don’t know why he has to be anything either way, why can’t they just let him be on this one and publicly say he likes all and doesn’t have a pref! Weirdest PR angle yet to preach you have a type. Not a smart play at all!

Kitkat

ooooor a theory i just had was maybe its to deter from anyone else he is seen with? kind of like “oh he cant be with this girl shes not his type!” but he could easily be dating them. it keeps his life private if the person he is dating looks nothing like his public type. kind of like dicaprio. his type is so generic – blonde young white girl that his supposed fling with rihanna could have actually been real but was never picked up properly by the media because “shes not blonde and white”. see where im going with this?

Just My PO

Oh I have thought about the deterrant angle but it’s a lot of lip service and push on the type when he’s apparently single and not needing to divert attention from anyone in particular … Unless he’s not so single and does have a mystery woman waiting in the wings!

Just My PO

Side note: yes I still say he’s single because Miro is irrelevant! It’s a contract. Nothing more.

What a laugh

I really don’t believe there is anyone exclusively special in Zac’s life. He may use Sami to keep the media from seeing what he actually is doing in private but I don’t think he goes from one girl and then goes to another one and the girls are alright with this arrangement. If that is true then it doesn’t say much for those girls either—just like Sami.

Just My PO

I don’t think there is anyone exclusive either.

Kitkat

also i noticed how far back you went in my comments lol im glad you agree with some of what i said

Just My PO

;) I was totes on a scroll roll ;)

rainbow2

I get Vanessa jumping followers from 15.7 on 2/15/16 to 15.8m 2/17/16 but Austin jumping to 992k on 2/17/16 from 986k on 2/15/16. Vanessa should have jumped more than Austin. The PR for their mistakes made Austin jumped this much and his show was on last night. He jumped almost 6k again so he jumped almost 30k in one week? He is not popular at all or interesting to jump this much. His team is buying followers. When I started writing this down Austin had 956k on 2/7/16.

Kitkat

http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/17/vanessa-hudgens-rock-investigation/
well shes not in hiding, just avoiding candid pap pics and social media like snapchat. she had a night out with friends and completely ignored the paps. her team will either issue a statement from “her” apologizing and saying she paid a fine – or the more likely thing is that she wont say anything and everyone will just forget.
she looks good though, i wonder if this will mean less daily pap pics like she is super famous? probably not.

rainbow2

don’t you think it was odd how Austin wasn’t with her now? Wouldn’t he be with her ignoring the paps and not with the friends.

I think her team is going to pay the fine and move on. It wasn’t major but she and Austin did defaced a national landmark and posted it.

What a laugh

Her downfall was publizing it. Had she not done that then some hater or PR person—whichever it was—would not have turned her in and the park service people would never have been the wiser. Do you really think it was some park ranger or official who was browsing Vanessa Hudgens tweets or other social media stuff who saw it? (Of course she was doing PR for the park so they may have been looking at what she posted and they couldn’t afford not to do what they did)
But as I said on the Zac thread, you would be hard pressed not to find this kind of thing in any National park or forest. I have seen this even is the most sacred places at Gettysburg! I was far more upset about that then seeing it in the Great Smokey Mts.

rainbow2

Well, Vanessa is going about her business. She is probably going over what to do or her manager is doing it behind close doors.

rainbow2

See Austin is buying a of followers fast and what happened in Sedona is not that great. This morning before 8:30am LA time I wrote he had 992k on 2/17/16, now at this moment at 6:03pm LA time it is 995K followers. Vanessa remained the same. That is impossible!! They want him to get to one million followers quick!

rainbow2

Forgot to mention about the video who are those girls with Vanessa? Never seen them before with her, but they knew how to shield her. It was on TMZ. They showed the clip.

Kitkat

its funny a lot of the fans are asking the same thing – ive never seen any of them before its really strange. but like you said they knew how to shield her – maybe they are friends that are much more private tmz just happened to catch them with her? if thats the case it would make sense if they knew how to shield her.

What a laugh

Who knows, maybe they are some kind of business associates since Vanessa is now tweeting all about different ideas and products, etc. I don’t understand all of that but I am sure it is a way for her to make money. OR who’s to say these people weren’t people who knew exactly how to protect Vanessa and they were ther just so she could get out and be seen so as to say she was not going into hiding due to the bad PR she has received. Celebs really can’t appear to go into hiding over bad press or it gives the impression they are guilty of some bad crime. The only way to get past all of this is for her to look like she is going about her normal daily affairs. But whatever it is, it is giving her PR and giving a chance for her name to be seen in association with her big hit Greese. She wants everyone in Hollywood as well as fans to keep THAT in mind. There are many ways to promote yourself in Hollywood.

Kitkat

its true nothing is really an accident. and like we said vanessa seems very calculated so she knows she cant go into hiding just act as normal to seem unphased. its true about it being a way for her to make money, since the incident she hadnt been seen at all (how funny lol), so it made paps want to find her this time.
to be honest shes actually kind of lucky that she is in grieving process it still allows her to slip away and people wont constantly irritate her. but she still needs to prove a point – funny how tmz caught her – the site that first reported it and are very popular – of course.
PR is PR no matter if its good or bad.

it could of even been a business dinner and they are mutual associates who wanted to work with vanessa and know how the paps work so felt the need to protect her.

rainbow2

I found it to convenient how the paps knew she was there. The restaurant is not a hub bub for paps. I could be wrong, but just strange how they knew she was there unless they were tip and TMZ was the only gossip site that had her. No posting on JJ or JJj on it.

Kitkat

thats what im saying this girl is good! NOTHING on any other site just tmz – which happens to be a very popular celebrity exposure site. she would get higher rate from them than JJ. they mustve been tipped off otherwise we wouldve seen her everywhere else. her team only wanted tmz to find her and we’ve figured out why. it also makes her look much more mature than being posted on JJ all the time

im telling you she is definitely trying to transition and its working. i predict we will see her a lot less on JJ

rainbow2

We will. She knows what she is doing. She took this Valentine pic to show how she is with him since he has been in the shadows for along time. He got his own post on JJ for his tweets on Grease. I didn’t like how his tweets were for a bf. It was generic to me.

Laniey talked about Vanessa in a good way! The tides are turning!

What a laugh

As I said, it could have been for PR. Also, TMZ could have had sole “rights” to this PR story and that is why they were the only ones there.

rainbow2

Asked Just My PO on Austin on the Zac’s thread. I did’t post numbers but wanted her opinion. Don’t know if she will respond but who knows. These numbers from Austin instragram followers are jumping to high to quick while Vanessa is steady which don’t make sense since she is the bigger star.

Kitkat

yeah just my po and IMO know a lot about the industry, and i think because they were older than me during the hsm era they understand all this a lot more. im still learning lol

What a laugh

I’ve been around as long as @IMO but I’ve followed Hollywood “stuff”—how the gossip entertainment stuff goes—all the way back to when Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, and Eddie Fisher were causing headlines. Even though @IMO is my age most did not get into the Hollywood things at such a young age—we were barely in elementary school—but I had older cousins who bought all the major gossip magazines and talked about such things. So I am well seasoned. I can’t tell you how many of the same scenarios I have seen play out back then as they are now. So that is why I am not so easily taken in by all this rot. And I have told these things on the back threads for like 4 years now. @Just My PO however, DOES work in the industry and is quite high on the food chain so to speak. But by her own admission never watched HSM or was a fan of either Zac or Vanessa’s back in those days. She has just recently—like a year and a half—began to take notice of Zac and started digging into his career. She also knows and hears things because of her dealings in Hollywood. But she plays things closer to the vest as she knows that is how it is suppose to be done in Hollywood.

Kitkat

interesting to see it from a maturer perspective – im still naive to everything despite being raised in the era of young hollywood getting coverage. i didnt know Just My PO was in the industry! thats cool .. the more you know… i wish i could be a fly on the wall in hollywood but then i would probably be sworn to secrecy to avoid getting sued and thats no fun lol.

What a laugh

Yeah, @Just My PO was in the music business to start with and then moved on to Hollywood. She takes the secrecy stuff very seriously because that is part of her job.

Kitkat

you know i saw a picture of ashley and chris and i was thinking that shes actually lucky in a way that shes not as in demand as zac and vanessa – because she actually got to marry someone she loves. there is no reason as to why ashley and chris would do this for publicity if they both arent famous enough to drum up that amount of publicity. people just about noticed she got married. and a lot of what they do is quite private.
and the sad thing is its not uncommon that people marry for status, wealth or image, its just sad to think that zac and vanessa could easily end up doing the same. for example i genuinely dont think sofia vergara and joe (whathislastname?) are that into each other. i dunno its just a feeling i get because everything was so over the top. and didnt nicki reed and ian somerhalder get married? that was weird and sudden too – but that couldve been impulse.

anyways im just ranting out loud, i just dont see vanessa marrying austin , but i can see zac getting engaged to sami and having like the longest engagement process to stop people talking.

and i think with the latest discussion about vanessa not wanting a man to overpower her (shes always talking about female empowerment ever noticed that?) i think marriage is a no no because its still quite patriarchal.

rainbow2

I agree with you on Sofia and Joe, Ian and Nikki. PR marriages. It was to quick to soon to me. Just really off. Time will tell with them. Ashley is lucky about marrying Chris. She does do PR for him but no one is interested in him. He has become Ashley husband. He can keep secrets to. There is nothing there for fans even though Ashley tries hard.

I can see Zac being engaged to Sami but does Zac want to be accountable to her for a long time. Right now, he can’t even touch her and it is has been over a year. I don’t know about Vanessa. She is not as predictable to me. She is all over the place. Good points on Vanessa I didn’t think about in those terms.

Kitkat

yeah it was way too quick.
ashley does pr now and again for him – sometimes on snapchat but not tons because people would get sick of it. and like you said it has little effect because people just about paid attention to her makeup line and t shirt range.

thats the perfect word for her – unpredictable. even fans say that because you never know what role she is going to pick up, or when because you dont even get talks just immediately starring in.

it seems too predictable that they will get married you know? maybe she will throw us off. and get pregnant. lol no she wont shes currently too career orientated right now. does she even want kids anymore? who knows – even ashley – who could probably have a child and still have a good amount of money left to support her until she gets back on her feet – says shes not ready for kids. and it might be because of her figure as well shes very skinny, not even toned like vanessa despite going to the gym a lot.

rainbow2

I don’t know how her make up or clothes line is doing. I was surprised how Macy carried the line.

Tiem will time about Vanessa. She doesn’t announced anything till she is filming or the contract has been signed. I like her for it. She doesn’t put nothing out there unless she is sure. Grease was a sure thing. She was the first start to announce it.

I don’t think Ashley or Vanessa are ready for kids. I really really do beleive they are fake Vanessa and Austin. To many holes with them.

I don’t see fans upset with Austin for not showing support to Vanessa with the, “rockgate,” at all! I know it is not the same as the nude pics, but nothing from him not even a night out. I guess Austin can’t handle back paps!

Kitkat

the makeup line and clothes are not doing great because she doesnt have enough connections to promote it – shes also really lazy at promoting it and i think thats another reason why her career never took off – she seems super lazy.

yeah i think shes good for not putting anything out there before signing the contract because she might lose it.

wayy too many holes in their relationship, but i feel like vanessa wouldnt want to bring kids into this anyways.

austin is smart for being quiet because hes got virtually no hate its all on vanessa – which is why i think they might argue. he might find it as a taste of her own medicine because nobody knew him when they went to sedona, and now its a good thing nobody knows him

but i dont think he will be able to handle bad press it seems to fluster him – going by his character even with press interviews (remember the nerves). vanessa has been to he ll and back working with disney, so i imagine shes a very tough cookie at this point in her career. i mean she performed when he father just passed

rainbow2

Good point! I don’t follow Ashley but lately I have which is why I started writing down the followers for her. She went up to 6.5m.

My friend which I talk to last night said how Austin doesn’t like it. He does get fluster. I don’t know how he is now but she said how he would look devastated when the hate was directed at him. When he went to Cannes with Vanessa. Fans wer upset he was there and when they had to travel back to Toronoto, he looked crush. There were paps pics of him at the airport and you could see his face was sad! I could be wrong. Now, I don’t know like I said.

Kitkat

yeah i dont know how hes going to survive hollywood tbh and if he doesnt get a stable career her team will give him the boot because she cant support him forever.

i didnt know that about cannes! makes sense because after the premiere we didnt see him at all. it was so strange and now you have figured it out. poor thing he was still very young so im not going to mock him for it, but that was so long ago how has he not recovered?

rainbow2

I don’t. He signed up for it. He knew what he was getting into. He wants the fame and not the other stuff. Look at now with the, “rockgate,” where is he? No where. There was a pic of Selena and Vanessa together waiting for something at the airport? Austin was by himself. The pic was a classic!

Vanessa can only carry so far. Unless he wants to be a Hollywood husband or bf. She helped hm more than what he deserved similar to Sami and Zac. At least Austin works hard. Sami just spend Zac money but he put himself there.

What a laugh

Remember how I said when they first got together Audtin got a lot of hate? That was one of the reasons—and I blame Vanessa for it. He was always in pics where he probably shouldn’t have been like with the cast of Spring Breakers when they were doing promos, etc. I kind of felt sorry for him after a while and I think he and his team decided that much hate and exposure was not helping him at all. Then he suddenly was missing a lot.

rainbow2

You can’t blame Vanessa. He signed up for it. He wanted the exposure and went along with it. He could have said no, but he didn’t. No one else bought their bf but Vanessa. He didn’t mind get papped with her. If he did than he would not have walked the red carpet with her, but he did. He is a grown man who has been in Hollywood for a while and knew about Vanessa and Zac. He knew of their relationship and the high power PR it got. so I don’t feel sorry for him.

What a laugh

I don’t think he had any idea just how much hate he was going to receive at the movie events even though he had not gotten all that much positive response from the pap pics. But I think Vanessa was wanting to be sure he was with her on the red carpets because Zac had gotten a lot of flack for not being with her during her movie premiers. I think she thought if Austin was seen at these type things people would respond favorably to him because they would see it as him giving her support that Zac never did. But Zac was at every performance she did for aren’t and some people found fault with that too. The Vanessa stans said he was using Vanessa to get attention for himself… He just couldn’t win and Austin isn’t going to win now either no matter what he does. Of course I don’t care because I am not a fan of his like I am Zac.

rainbow2

He did! He isn’t that stupid. I am sorry if I sound harsh, but Austin knew what he was getting into. the scope of it maybe not, but he knew. He has been around Hollywood long enough to know. I doubt his or her team will not informed him of what he was taking on.

Kitkat

vanessa was doing the absolute most with him like nobody else brought their boyfriends to the premiere and you would think he was part of that cast. i did feel sorry for him i can see why he got his back up because of situations like this. vanessa again showed she was in control and how pushy she can be – like how she is always so pushy with stella trying to make her happen its not happening nessa.

Kitkat

you know a while back i remember reading selena g say on ig that vanessa will always be her party buddy. and it got me thinking – why? of all the friends she has what made vanessa her party buddy – and why is she basically saying she is only good for partying? selena has had constant rumors of having drinking problems, and i will never forget her slurring her words at the golden globes in 2012 – with vanessa. that p. i ss off hollywood tumblr account tried to make an interesting point of how vanessa isnt really selenas friend per say, and not long after we read countless rumors of vanessa bullying selena on the set of spring breakers – particularly because we never saw them hangout by themselves but ashley diverted between the two separately.

maybe vanessa is fun because she knows how to get selena drunk but its more just to laugh at her. they did have the same team at one point but there was a clear push for selena despite not getting well received from critics.

i know i sound horrible and i make vanessa sound horrible but im thinking out loud again.

rainbow2

No problem! You are little to say what you feel without any or me to say no. I bet there are more fans out there which feels the same way. I don’t care for Selena to much. But I wonder if they have a sister relationship. She does hang out with Vanessa and went to see her show Gigi in NY. They did hang out at the GG after party. What I found really intersting how at the Vanity Fair party they took a pic together and there was not hing on Vanessa and Austin together. They did walk the red carpet for the Elton john party but not the Vanity Fair party.

Kitkat

yeah you have a point they could be actually close, its just weird how she saw her as the party buddy – i guess there is a fun side to vanessa we dont see. i forgot she went to see her in gigi – which is a great gesture particularly because there was hardly any pr on it. they love going after parties together – dare i say selena is closer with vanessa than with ashley. oh yeahhhh the vanity fair im pretty sure austin was there but no pictures at all. again more holes lol

rainbow2

Lots of holes!! Fans don’t say anything becasue of how long they have been together. In LA Ashley B, Selena, and Vanessa hung out to. There is something there between them. Austin hangs with Vanessa friends but they do have Ashley in common becasue he was Ashley friend. Ashley went to see Austin in his play. I was surprised how Ashley and Vanessa didn’t go together.

Kitkat

All austins friends seem to be the group of gay guys lol.

I think ashley tisdale and vanessa are friends but not as close as they want us to believe

Ashley benson seemed like a good friend too but she’s always busy with pll but it’s finishing soon so let’s see. Selena is also very busy but her career is quite calm at the moment and she’s focusing on film.

rainbow2

What film career? Maybe shi will get a good role so far she is terrible in movies Selena.

I like Ashley B. She seems to be a good friend to Vanessa. Selena says she is going to be working on a new album.

Kitkat

selena went to sundance recently to promote the fundamentals of caregiving – i still like her and shes so cute i cant help but not see what shes doing lol. her acting is still getting terrible reviews because she is typecast as that girl whos always got an attitude like WoWP. at least vanessa tries out various roles at least once but theres a reason why selena never seems to breakout in film. spring breakers was suppose to be her breakout but people were still focused on vanessa because she was different, even back then she stole the show

i noticed that selena is working on another film with james franco – so is zac – which to me confirms that vanessa never really got on with james. he was strangely into selena during spring breakers but i feel like its because she looks about 12 – and he was caught flirting with teenagers in london. with vanessa i could tell there was tension from the start but i had no proof as to why.

i feel like selenas music is so underwhelming and because shes not the best singer she NEEDS to take acting lessons. she took singing lessons i remember she was posting little singing clips on ig which fell flat since fans noted how she was so quiet even though it sounded better than usual. she cant project at all.

Kitkat

it really is just great PR at this point – because even GQ mag covered it, but they were praising austin and vanessas hair ..yes hair … and how as a couple they suited each other omg her team know what they are doing

“Matching boy-girl haircuts are always tricky. Think of Brad Pitt and Gwyneth Paltrow’s blonde crops circa 1997. An iconic moment, sure, but not one you’d ever want to recreate. But Butler and Hudgens demonstrate how it’s possible to have the same cut and yet look like individuals. Whether worn up or down, Butler’s hair is always messier, greasier, dirtier than Hudgen’s hair. While hers looks like it was styled with some sort of hot tool (because it’s smooth and shiny), Butler’s looks like it’s been plastered to his face during a month-long couch nap. While she’s probably using shine serum or oil, he’s probably using paste, wax, or dry shampoo. The stuff that adds grit and tackiness—DGAF-hair in a bottle.”

rainbow2

This is why Zac and Sami can’t break up. We don’t know what Sami has done which Zac is attached to with his name. Same as Vanessa. What has Austin done in magazines with Vanessa name attached to it. Sorry I would not want to be compare to Austin hair. He looks dirty with his hair and clothes. Austin is getting more noticed now. It took 4 years to do it!

Kitkat

if it took them 4 years how long until sami doesnt get called a beard by the public? people still dont buy it and not enough people are saying they are just a breath of fresh air as a couple. like you said would zac have the ability to stick through this for another 5 years? after vanessa he hasnt been with anyone publicly longer than a month lol so sami is definitely here to stay but has zac bitten more than he can chew?

rainbow2

He has! What worked for Vanessa was the fake PDA and she was able to hold hands and cling when the paps pics were taken. She must be hiding something for her to keep this up. JMO> Zac can’t do it. He tries but his whole body is stress and tense. It liked every time he is going to the guillotine with Sami. I think more fans are seeing it. He is losing to many fans to quick and loyal ones.

Kitkat

Im 100% sure vanessa is hiding something because she was adamant on proving they were real. I don’t know what it could be, maybe an actual bf maybe not – maybe it’s a personal problem we don’t know about but it’s something.

Zac was only ever loose with Michelle outside of vanessa but I also think he was drunk do I dunno if that counts lol.

rainbow2

It is something big for sure! She went over the top with Austin.

Zac was drunk and stupid don’t forget high when he was with Michelle. He tried but Michelle is to gay and not into guys. Her body was trying but she couldn’t pull it off unless she was drunk like Zac.

Kitkat

looking at recent reports – the police still are unable to find the supposed rock vanessa inscribed her and austins name on it – so there is a good chance this will be forgotten in 2 weeks. and the fact that they cant find it could be because the rain washed it away since vanessa used chalk and her team arent denying she did it on sedona rocks.

and like you guys were saying, maybe this entire thing was planned knowing the extra press she would get.

maybe vanessa actually rubbed it out before she left so there is no evidence meaning she woudnt even have to pay a fine

rainbow2

Thanks for bringing the information over! No wonder Vanessa is not saying anything about it or made a statement about it or issue one. The police found nothing? why didn’t the police asked Vanessa where she did it?

What a laugh called it. PR and Vanessa got a lot of mileage out of it.

Kitkat

yeah why didnt they ask her where it was? maybe they did but the rain washed it away. waste of time but perfect pr.
yup what a laugh called it

Kitkat

and rewatching the tmz video whoever the friends were they knew exactly how to shield her. they were dressed down but vanessa was dressed up – why is that? if they were all hanging out why werent they in the same type of clothing? they could easily be there to protect her but are dressed casually. and because shes so petite the friends were right over her and the paps probably got her face for about 20 seconds tops.
and funnily enough ive never seen vanessa turn her back from paps like that, which is why i think her team are going to limit the candids now that shes become slightly more in demand.

she was on cnn and vanity fair and gq – a lot of big media sites.

rainbow2

Could have been bodyguards hired to protect her in order to show herself after, “rockgate,” to tmz? she is moving to A-list status without Zac. I feel she was there already. JMO>

Kitkat

She’s definitely moving on up without zac and that’s all she ever really wanted because who wants to be in their ex’s shadow? I think she was never z list but she did drop down to b list even dwindled in c. But since grease it’s literally boosted her right back up to A. We’ve had no candids at all and guaranteed she’s left her house to go to the gym and do her daily basis things. Her team just isn’t calling the papa anymore. The last time we saw her was just after her dad died with stella and most ppl were mad at the paps because it was invasive so she didn’t get any bad rep for it.

She’s probably going to business meetings as well and she’s usually good at hiding those sightings to avoid any unwanted talks

rainbow2

She got her own identity. It took her a long time to do it but now she is known as, “Vanessa Hudgens,” not “Zac Efron GF.” It helped her but it was a cross too. She is known for her fashion on the red carpet, a well established actress who is not afraid to do the work, did Broadway even though it failed, she did and proved she go sing, dance and do the daily grind of Broadway and got more respect for it. The Broadway world know her. Did Grease Live and after her father passed away. No role is the same which looks good on her resume for her career.

She can disappeared when she wants too. Yea, we saw her after her father passed away with Stella.

Forgot now Austin is tagged, “Vanessa Hudgens bf,” I bet he doesn’t like it anymore.

Kitkat

I know it took her very long but it’s all a process in Hollywood this type of success doesn’t happen overnight. She realised the amount of attention she got for her style and used it to launch trends. She has many top and unique designers wanting to style her because although she’s not a super model in height she carries clothes very well. She was set on Broadway because that opens the doors to varied success. Many top celebs have done broadway and she knew that was a great path to take. And Gigi flopped but it doesn’t matter because she got people talking and people found out she could sing. Grease live was backed by FOX it would’ve been a hit no matter what. She gained praise and sympathy for grease and anger for Sedona but ppl are talking about her constantly.

Her resume is fantastic. I watched freaks of nature online and her scenes are hilarious she really does know how to balance out s ex appeal and humor. It’s also scary which covers horror. Then there is the dramas gimme shelter and frozen ground both slightly too melodramatic but it was purely scripts fault according to critics I didn’t watch them properly. And then sucker punch was action, spring breakers was indie alternative, journey 2 was adventure and beastly was romance. She covered everything at least once and I wish zac did this. She never does the same thing twice and if she does it’s at a layer stage not immediately after. Now she can do a full circle and start again.

rainbow2

She used the paps to her advantage. She is not stupid. I liked how she was the belle of the red carpet at the Tony’s Awards. She really made a statment when she walked. I haven’t watched Freaks of Nature but I bet she was great in it. I believe your review. You don’t hold back with Vanessa. She did all types of genres. Now, after Grease, fans are going to discovered her old movies probably and get another glimpse on how she acts.

Good PR or bad this week. It is going to be interesting what happens. And she picked a good fake bf. No one talks about him. She is the one in control if she says something about him. This way it is not about her bf, but her career.

Kitkat

yeah i remember the tony dress and hair was really gorgeous that night. even lainey made a post on how much she loved the look – thats when i knew there was this strange transition.
people are now curious about her previous work that was disregarded because she was in hsm – it means that her future work will slowly draw in the new audience.

she is most definitely in control of this situation because he hasnt said anything and neither has she. the pr is all on her.

Kitkat

austin said that vanessa wanted him to grow his hair out it wasnt really for shannara. i wonder why because he looks even more feminine.

rainbow2

LOL! I doubt it! Austin did it for the show! If it was true Austin would have said it a long time ago! It is PR!

What a laugh

She did say years ago that she liked long hair along with the other stuff about blue eyes, etc. but surely she doesn’t like this greedy street person look. It’s not a very mature look but maybe that what she likes—a look of a boy rather than a man.

rainbow2

I sorry but I am going to have disagree with you. Zac didn’t have this long of a hair. Austin has short hair till he got the part of Shannara. Than he grew it out. It was for the role not for Vanessa.

Kitkat

a boy she can manipulate a lot easier. i think she likes attention from young boys more than men because it makes her feel powerful. hence her playfulness with jordan

Kitkat

I thought so lol he’s had it short for so long whilst dating her and coincidently grows it out during Shannara only to credit vanessa for it?definitely pr.

rainbow2

It is PR! There is no way Austin is going to tell the producers he can’t cut his hair becasue his gf asked him to grow it out. He doesn’t have that much clout in Hollywood. He did it for the part.

rainbow2

Doesn’t make sense why the thread for Zac comments are going to moderation? We have over 300 comments and talked about Vanessa openly. Something has to be up with Zac thread.

it wasnt on her snapchat she actually went to julianne houghs house for dinner with stella. im guessing they have become close since grease live. i also think it does help with pr to publicize it a little. vanessa was definitely the closest to keke, but not only will she get very little pr out of being friends with keke, if its genuine she tends not to publicize it as much – hence why i still dont think her and ashley are the closest of friends its just convenience at this point.

rainbow2

Agreed! Why didnt she take Austin with her? She took Stella and clearly guys where at his party.

Ashley is her closet and oldest friend for sure. Whatever she is a famew@@ore she keeps secrets.

Kitkat

Yes! Again she took stella not Austin just like the moulin rouge show. What a laugh said it could be because he didn’t like it but this was a dinner at a friends house, where is he? There’s a pattern emerging . Maybe that’s why his team bought followers, they are preparing his social media for a breakup so that he still has popularity.
Stella’s sitting next to vanessa and someone else on the other side so he isn’t there.

rainbow2

He wasn’t tagged either. Everyone at the dinner was tagged. If he was there, he would have been tagged along with everyon else. There were a lot of people Julianne tagged. Why leave him out if he was there.

I liked your thinking getting him to a 1M quick was done for a purpose. No one gets this many followers quick unless it is a major star or athlethe. LeBron James opened up his instragram? He got followers quick!
Austin to get this any followers was bought! I wrote it down as proof! He isn’t that popular or in demand I see? Do you see it?

No disrespect to What a Laugh, but the reason for Austin not going with Vanessa to Moulin Rouge is a poor excuse. She is your gf who didn’t spend time last year. This year was supposed to be special. If she wanted to see it he would have went. Make new memories with the movie and your gf! He didn’t want to go and Vanessa didn’t want to be with him on Valentine Day. Austin had other plans and she didn’t want to spend it with him. Yea, the romantic getaway! What posting pics and taking them during the trip.

Kitkat

then he definitely wasnt there because they still wouldve tagged him even if he just wasnt present in the photos. this is an actual gathering for friends and hes not filming so why couldnt he attend? stella couldve asked to go but she is also vanessas security blanket in cases where she feels unsure. something is up for sure!

yeah i told you! lol! i knew they were aiming for that 1 million, thats the prime amount for sponsors, ads, promo etc.

yeah i agree no disrespect to what a laugh but this does prove that its more than just he didnt like moulin rouge because he couldve gone to this dinner – hes done it before. its just food and fun.

rainbow2

Good call on 1m on Austin! He can support himself. It is up to him to use it. Than again is he known for anything? Like what is his brand to sell ads? Vanessa helped him.

Remember she took pics with fans on the trail! LOL! I know she and Zac did when they were on vacation together, but he wasn’t with her. We didn’t get any sightings of him with fans. Just the baby and mom. He took the pic.

Security blanket is a good description for Stella with Vanessa. She gets expose to other people as well. Yea, why the dinner with those group of friends. Nina Dobrev? is following Vanessa now after Julianne and Vanessa became friends on grease.

Food and wine! He couldn’t go? Something was up for sure.

What a laugh

Unless hunkers he did actually have to work. Some shows do not film just between 9-5 M-F. Depending on what they have to film and where hours and days can be strange. I’m not trying to be argumentary—it’s just facts that I think we may overlook because we want something else to be so. These two might. Dry we’ll be getting ready to make a change in their status but it may still be he had to work even on Valentine’s Day depending on the circumstances.

Another thing I think about is the fact that we have Zac and Sami supposedly being a “real” couple for over a year now and there are rumors they are about to get engaged. So, maybe Vanessa come to the end of her agreement with Austin—if there was one—and she feels “safe” enough at this point to break free of Austin so people won’t automatically start assuming she and Zac will get back together. And it would be another reason why Sami Miro won’t be mobbing out of the picture any time soon with Zac.

rainbow2

You give good ponts and reason. Maybe it is safer for Vanessa to end it with Austin now.

Couple break up out of the blue even though they say their in love and post all the time for PR. if they do break up and change their status it might be after Austin series ends. The PR won’t effect it as much. I don’t know how well it is doing becasue I don’t follow it.

What a laugh

LOL, the Moulin Rouge thing is something we will disagree on because after nearly 32 years of marriage I would not take my husband to an event that tied me /had connotations so strongly to my ex lover. And my husband would not go in a situation like that—particularly if half the world knew about it. And I’m not funny about most things like most younger people are because you have to move on.

BUT I think the more important question is why was this event so much more important to Vanessa to attend than the desire to stay home with Austin—the Love.Of.Her.Life?

Kitkat

“BUT I think the more important question is why was this event so much more important to Vanessa to attend than The desire to stay home with Austin—the Love.Of.Her.Life?”

this is also key here
its easy to assume austin is the odd one out here but maybe its vanessa that doesnt want him there? she went hiking by herself, moulin rouge with stella, a club by herself (tmz) and a big dinner with famous friends with stella. whats going on here that she doesnt feel the need to be Even closer to austin after losing her father? we all grieve differently but she seems so distant from him

if it wasnt for valentines i dont think we wouldve seen them together.

rainbow2

Austin reached the 1m mark today! LOL! He is buying followers like unheard of to me!

He had yesterday 2/18/16 996k and now he has 1m! What has he done beside be with Vanessa and the PR for the Valentine Day
rockgate? He hasn’t shown himself at all! He got all these followers this week. He reached his goal! Can’t believe it!

No one says anything! I want to but watch! Vanessa would do something to show how she and Austin are a passionate couple! Lies!!!
Austin knows what he is doing! He isn’t stupid! That why I don’t give him a pass when he was getting bad press during Cannes! He knows!

Kitkat

that was literally a week, i do think the rockgate exposure helps but thats a lot in a week.

you have to watch out for the quiet ones, both of them are very quiet.

rainbow2

They are! Austin knows what he is doing to further his career! He has been quiet through this mess and his numbers have gone up. He isn’t popular at all compare to Vanessa who numbers were steady. His series is ok but not to get this many followers in this time span.

He buys them or his team like Ashley team.

Kitkat

she hasnt been seen publicly for 3 days and no mention of austin..hmmm

i knew her team would do this. she is seen virtually daily but not anymore.

rainbow2

Good call! The winds are changing! Makes you think this was plan all along. Noticed how no one cares about Austin or tweets about him. They did with Vanessa with rockgate, but no one has said anything. He isn’t needed right now. LOL!

rainbow2

Vanessa picked the winner for Project Runway. She is going to be wearing the dress. Didn’t see it, but when is she wearing the dress?
at an Oscar party? Do you know when?

Kitkat

i have no idea when she would wear it, maybe an oscars after party would make sense like you said – or the emmys?

rainbow2

Emmy past. It has to be to an Oscar after party. She is going to need an escort where the bf comes.

Kitkat

emmys is in the summer this june, are u thinking of the golden globes?

i wonder if austin will even go lol hes not turning up to anything.

rainbow2

No the Oscars are close. It airs on on 2/18/16. She might wear the dress during an after party for the Oscars.

Kitkat

oh ok yh thats makes sense its closer and the show would need promo now not in the summer.
guaranteed shes invited to oscars after party, i wonder if she will bring stella again lol

rainbow2

Hope she does! Stella and Vanessa would have a better time than with Austin. LOL!

Kitkat

i hope she does just to reaffirm that something is up. i dont think they know that ppl have realized because its not public.

tbh getting rid of austin around this time would prove to be perfect timing for pr since it allows her to have more coverage on her career – but it could backfire as it seems the fame has got to her head.

so i guess there is something personal going on where they havent official split but there is tension and they need space.

it adds up with the tumblr p..s off hollywood saying they take pictures and part, because looking at sedona they do.

rainbow2

I do too! I kinda beleive they were having problems a long time ago, but they stick out for PR. Their body language gives it away but no one says anything. If you look at pics of them you can see how Vanessa never turns her body toward Austin or he does. He has the same pose all the time with her. Like all the time. They touch like friends. He tries, but it isn’t there. JMO>

The tension could be they want out! It start to take a toll on you! I do beleive they part after the pics. There was video on the red carpet how Austin was dismiss by Vanessa. It was subtly but it was there.

Vanessa keeps quiet and knows how to play the devoted gf. Austin knows how to be quiet. He doesn’t say anthing with her. you saw the difference when he was in Sundance during the interview and his body language with Tyler.

Kitkat

i thought the same! i noticed that they just didnt connect anymore. even a couple of years back when the pda had died down, they still would walk in sync, and even laugh in candids. now one is in front of the other and the body is turned away.

its no longer boredom its brewing tension which is the danger point where u need to get out before its boils over. i read that vanessa has a sharp tongue which could set off austin and cause ongoing arguments.

vanessa is a good gf for pr – i can see her ending up in another big relationship if she leaves austin, shes really good at making it look real and getting good publicity. i mean its a different level of fame – but austin and vanessa have gained a lot of love on social media which zac and vanessa never had because it was before the hype of it – though they still had their own a list fame

rainbow2

The PDA was good in the beginning becasue they had to convince fans it was real. If you look at them again, you can see the distance and awkwardness. Vanessa can sell it.

Now, they take friends with them. Vanessa made sure to have someone at the place or event she knew. It helped her with Austin. She was always surrounded by friends but fans didn’t noticed. Ashley was the main friends mostly or she has Shawn or her friend Drew.

Social media is big now but fans still have Zac and Vanessa together. Austin is there but if Vanessa would break up with him. I don’t think it would be as devastating as Zac and Vanessa.

Kitkat

yeah ever since they started hanging out in new york a lot more, their friends were always with them all the time. they were never alone – its like they can only handle each others company for so long. people also use to give shawn cr ap for being with them all the time – assuming he liked vanessa , but what if he was there because they wanted him there? they might need friends there because they cant handle each other anymore but still need to sell their relationship.

rainbow2

I agree! They need friends around. Even when they went to Bali? for the oakley event? Ashley Greene was there. Vanessa took pics with Austin and did the article and mention him. She hung out with him. Remember video of them with GG her friend riding on the motorbike? She posted when she was with friend on the bike and not Austin. I will let him pass becasue maybe he didn’t know how to ride one, but nothing on them on the bike together? She was having more fun than him to me.

Kitkat

sooo many events where they werent alone together. they started out alone and maybe they realized they just didnt enjoy themselves as much. having stella in their home gives them something to do since shes still young and they can entertain each other.
she went through a streak where she hung out with GG more than austin! but i think shes back in australia. where is laura new lately? they are probably more BFFS than her and ashley.

rainbow2

Laura is in Australia. She is doing a play over there for a period of
time. GG, Shawn, Ashley, Laura, Stella. AshleyG, Ashley Benson and
Vanessa other friends Drew was one where they hung out a lot as well as
Kim. Oliver is someone Austin hangs out wih by himself sometimes. That
why I think he doesn’t live with Vanessa. He looks like but doesn’t.

Kitkat

i think it wouldve been better if they said they didnt live together from the start – because if they are found out to be lying it causes a whole stir. i doubt that would happen but its possible since some of what they do hints to him not living there. you can be around someones house a lot without living with them. even staying nights.
and apparently austin cooks, makes sense because stella cant actually cook (i kind of figured that out over time from ig posts and video chats) and i think vanessa can but its handy for someone else to cook too.

i think vanessa started having oliver hang out with them as a group because oliver is blatantly gay/bi so it would stop people assuming austin was too. notice how when she was with them she was always walking ahead.

she was also in new york a lot with joe termini thats the guy next to austin.

lol where is austin? i dunno if joe is gay or not but im going to do some digging. sometimes people spill when they dont even realize it lol

i just found out he goes to hillsong which makes sense they started really attending whilst in new york and met a lot of ppl and went on trips with them

i just cant picture vanessa being religious because shes so wishy washy with bfs. remember when she was with zac and said she was raised catholic but now is more relaxed? now with austin shes very open about going to church all the time and she never used to.

What I found strange was why wasn’t he carrying the bag? I know it is a petty thing, but my bf carries mind and it is a large bag. Wouldn’t he carry it?

Who is joe termini?

All of them look gay! I know I could be wrong. But I wouldn’t doubt it. Vanessa didn’t hang out with them when she was doing Gigi. I didn’t see them or her with them. It is only with Austin.

Oliver could be bi? more than gay. I was shock when he got engaged! Oliver came around the same time as Shawn.

Austin cooks is handy. Stella can’t cook? Vanessa cooks I think. Noticed how the paps pics stop when Vanessa said Austin lives with her. We would get paps pics of them leaving and going. Than nothing. We get pic of them leaving unless she calls them. We got them leavng her house for the Dance Awards. Nothing else. I know she called the paps becasue we have a law in Cali for paps not to be on stars house taking pics. Arnold Sw? he was our governor and sign the law. Noticed how we don’t get paps pics of them leaving their houses as before.

joe termini is the guy in the pictures above, a photographer based in new york that is part of hillsong and has some good connections because of hillsong. ive never seen an ig pic of him and a gf just him by himself, i wonder if he is gay, has a gf he doesnt show anyone (but why not? hes not famous) , is single or just asexual so isnt attracted to anyone.

lol yeah im just convinced all the guys are gay because its my initial thought.she only probably hung out with them like i said to stop any talking and they could all go shopping or something.

when u told me oliver got engaged to a girl i actually gasped. i was genuinely confused because he looks 1000% gay.

omg there was a law that stopped paps taking pics outside your house? no wonder vanessa became so hated by some co stars. and of course they stop now because she confirmed they live together – but maybe it was more because she was warned she would get into trouble so used that to stop paps?

What a laugh

That law has been in effort for some time now in LA. There was a girl about a year ago who was outside Vanessa’s house “sightseeing” when Austin and another guy—forgot who it was and the girl told who it was as she got a picture—and she told how nice the one guy was and how he stopped and talked but Austin seemed annoyed and barely grunted as he past her and went and walked straight into the house. After the other guy talked to the girl for a few minutes he kindly excused himself and then walked up the steps and entered the house also.

Kitkat

i wonder who the guy was…..hmmmm… its not even like austin is super famous lol and the friend evidently wasnt but was happy to talk. im really curious as to who this guy was.

this isnt the first time austin has been a** to a friendly fan. i think ive already said it but someone tweeted stella saying he saw vanessa at a music festival and wanted to say hi, vanessa was happy to talk but according to the fan austin was acting “salty” meaning very rude in kids slang terms. vanessa ended up having to disregard him in a nice way because austin wasnt having it. stella just tweeted back something like “yeah it happens” i cant really remember but the way she replied was like its normal.

which is why i think the sedona trip might have set him off, because he had to take pictures for her with fans because he was a nobody. lol

rainbow2

Didn’t know about Austin character. He wants to be the center of attention looks like or be noticed.

Yea, the sedona trip something happened. Vanessa didn’t care either from the looks of it.
He is a a nobody at this point.

What a laugh

It was one of the gay guys—I am just going to call the group of guys that who we see with Austin and Vanessa so much—but I can’t remember which one. I just don’t care that much for any of them. And I have always thought it strange how much a group of people are always around Vanessa and Austin and how many of the guys seem gay.

rainbow2

I wonder if it was Drew? Austin used to hang out with him a lot with Vanessa.. He looks gay!
He was more interested in what Drew was saying than Vanessa when he was around.

Kitkat

who is drew? never heard or seen him

rainbow2

You have seen him but don’t know he is there. He has been Vanessa for a long time! Whn she was with Zac. he never hung out with Zac or I didn’t see it. He has hung out with Vanessa and Austin a lot in the beginning and you see him with Vanessa at parties or Vanessa takes him. He is Vanessa other security blanket!
Trying to find a pic of him with Vanessa.

You will see a lot of pics of them together. He is just well know and is behind Vanessa a lot. he was at the Gigi premiere party. I was shock to see him but than again no. He is really really good friend to Vanessa.

Kitkat

AHHH u found it lol thanks saved me digging.

he was at gigi? wow hes not going anywhere for now. i wonder why he didnt feel comfortable around zac but is ok around austin. he has been there for years so why only with austin we see him? not even in ig pictures she doesnt show him at all that very strange. vanessa can be mysterious at times.

and those pictures were so strange like how are you just sitting right next to them. and he actually comes over and says something whilst looking at the camera

how odd is that? i wonder what he said and if he had instructed them to do something. because funnily enough right after they kiss

rainbow2

Probably to do something. Why go to Maimi with them anyway? Kim and her bf went but he was a fifth wheel. Did you see Vaness and Austin body language sitting next to each other. It hasn’t changed at all. They are not toward each other. When I kissed my bf face, I put my hand on his face or my arms around him. Vanessa doesnt even touch him! She has hands stretch out and Austin has his legs cross away from her.

Kitkat

oh yeah! her arms are somewhere in another universe behind her and austin has his legs crossed lol guys hate having their legs crossed they say its uncomfortable but not this one boy!

she even has her body slightly further away so she has to stretch out her neck to meet his lips. how romantic.

rainbow2

Really romantic! There body language hasn’t changed a bit since day one! She not even siting in the same time zone as him. Strange considering their PDA and can’t stay away from each other pics in the month long time frame.

Guys don’t like their legs cross this close tight. I had to ask my bf about this becasue I didn’t know. LOL! He said it is uncomfortable! Guys do it but he doesn’t see how!

You see other pics with Drew and Vanessa together, but you did see pics with Austin with them in the beginning. I don’t know his name but only know Drew. it could short for something else.

thissssss is what we are trying to figure out. theres a balance with friends but with them theres an overload of gay guy friends

rainbow2

Didn’t know about Austin and the guy. Wonder who the guy was with outside Vanessa’s house to look the part. See these stories on Austin don’t get out but only certain fans see it.

Kitkat

thats what so annoying lol the stories of austin never get out that much because hes not that famous. i wish it did lol
i remember reading apparently some girl years ago said she think she saw austin making out with someone that clearly wasnt vanessa but she couldnt quite get a glimpse of her face. she said at first she thought it was chord overstreet but she realized something was slightly off. who knows …

rainbow2

I wouldn’t be surprised. Austin isn’t famous for fans to recognize now right away. He can’t get away with it. The girl said she than said Chad overstreet, but it wasn’t Vanessa. These stories don’t come out!

no vanessa, she hasnt posted about the night at all but does a throwback with ashley. i guess ur right its for julianne not vanessa so she doesnt need to post it. it also seems like she wanted to still remain somewhat anonymous.

julianne is definitely getting pr for this. shes not stupid no matter how close of friends they are.
julianne was also in a fake relationship with ryan seacrest and when they broke up she got some gift of like a house or a car or something like thats not a parting gift thats a thank you for being my fake girlfriend gift.

rainbow2

I forgot about Julianne and Ryan. She knows what it is to be a beard for a celebrity.

Julianne is the one getting the PR for this. Why? Something is up. Good to be anonymous you don’t look like you are craving the PR all the time with friends. Vanessa always post after the friend gets the PR. Vanessa might later on. Now, it is Julianne who is getting the PR and the mileage out of it. Posting the pic with Ashley was for Ashley to get hits on her instragram.

Kitkat

Maybe vanessa didnt post it because people will catch on that austin wasnt there? jules even tagged stella, so it wasnt a last minute thing it was planned. this was an intimate dinner at night with friends not a party so you would think he would make an effort to show up. but maybe he never was suppose to show up

rainbow2

Good point! Didn’t see that angle of the invite. It had to be an invite which was already sent out. Vanessa accepted it. Friends dinner and you don’t take the bf?

I don’t think fans care about Austin to much. I don’t see the tweets asking where he is. Taking Stella shows her love for her sister. Why is Austin MIA for this long? He does these disappearing acts all the time but no one notices. He can come and go all he likes. Fans noticed him, but I don’t think he has the notoriety as Vanessa.

Kitkat

exactly this was a planned out dinner guaranteed that they got an invite as a couple since there are couples there – why would they invite stella?

i dont think its that they dont care they just dont notice. he has established himself as shy so they assume that this applies to his social media life so vanessa doesnt show him but they assume he must be there.

for example there were snapchats of vanessa with someones feet and i assumed it was austins but it was actually stellas but many were adamant that it was austin because “they love each other bla bla bla”

rainbow2

Don’t noticed it the key! She already Austin in her life. She don’t need to show him unless she has to or hears rumbling from gossip sites if they split or have problems.

Did you see the pic of Austin and Vnaessa on her dressing room table for Gigi? I thought how strange you put a pic of the one you posted on your instragram. Why? So fans can see it is you and Austin. Why post that pic! Wouldn’t you post a more intimate pic of you the two of you hugging or a different pic. She knew exactly what pic to put so fans can see and know it was Austin.

Kitkat

she has a bunch of ig pictures of them throughout her house you can see it in the background (perfect placement..) so the gigi picture was extra pr.

some never before seen pictures would look more real than an ig picture everyone saw. its looks like u didnt even put effort into it – and she probably didnt.

rainbow2

She didn’t. Why post an old pic from Coahella which she posted for his birthday message. Thre was no intimacy. Posting pics around the house from the ig is PR. She makes sure to let fans them.

My friend reminded me the one with the link from that site about Vanessa and Ausitn pointed out the pic of her phone when she was in NY. LOL! The paps made sure to get her screensaver phone of them together! She was kissing his head. I think I have seen the pic somewhere. Another pic where there is no hugging but shows how much she loves him by kissing his cheek. My screensaver has my bf and me hugging closely to get in the pic.

Kitkat

yeah it was coachella lol that was so generic.

it was perfect placement to show her screensaver, remember gigi hadid done that when there were rumors of her dating zayn and it was her and him kissing? its the same thing to keep the “love” going. she never shows her phone the opposite way for paps to see. and even so, her screen isnt lit up its dark. and vanessa kissed everyone! shes just a loving person and yet she doesnt seem to kiss austin that much.

do u know the video you were talking about where she dismissed austin on the red carpet? kind of like when zac dismissed sami after showing her on the sidewalk of WAYF….

they never hug closely, always to the side. if there is a gap there is no intimacy, not even se xual

rainbow2

Gigi and Zayn know how to sell their relationship to the public.

Why show generic pic of you and your bf on a dressing room table unless it was for PR. I liked how she got Monique to pose in front of it to show fans! LOL!

No sexual chemistry. Vanessa doesn’t look like him like a man! She laughs and smiles for the camera, but she doesn’t have the sexual look for him. She probably does love him as a good friend, but it stops there.

Here is a video where the paps tell them to get closer together, it shows at 49secondshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo8LSGQXT7o
She tells him, “Thank you,” for being on the red carpet? Never heard Vanessa tell, “Thank you to Zac” on the red carpet.
Trying to find the other one.

Kitkat

no sexual chemistry at all. which is ironic since she is clearly se xually dominant and yet she doesnt feel the need to dominate him – because shes not s exually attracted to him and even if she was it would be a waste of time because theres no connection. i wish some hot guy would just come out of nowhere and claim to be her real bf that would be so much more fun lol.

ahh i remember that event because it was one of my fav ever looks on her. people said how smug he looked at that event lol

this picture was a dead giveaway that even back then public said it looked forced like

the video is interesting who says thank you to their bf unless they have been instructed to do so? especially because she said it when they said get closer because even the photographers knew they needed to sell this more

and then she just scurried off like “Bye lol” and did interviews

rainbow2

See, this relationship was PR from the get go. Vanessa doe sit better and Austin becasue he is an actor. He has to sell being in love!

When you watch it more you can see Jennifer Lopez and her man on the red carpet. See how she treats him. I know she is an older woman, but love is love and sexual chemistry is the same. Vanessa and Austin don’t have it. Couple don’t show it all the time becasue they want to be private but Vaness and Austin to me never had it. He doesn’t look at her or she him.

Kitkat

hudgens confessions just said vanessa could play saline in moulin rouge, makes me wonder if she is thats why she went all out in her outfits to hint at us. but then again she goes all out in every outfit.

rainbow2

She does! Is this for a play?

Kitkat

what her outfit? it was just for the show, i dunno she had a mini photoshoot and everything.

rainbow2

She did! She has a head pieces and jewlery on her wrists and neck! She was playing the part all right! LOL!

Kitkat

exactly lol but like i said she kind of just an over the top person so i dunno. stella was dressed a little more casual but thats also because its not her style to go over the top in fashion.

rainbow2

No Stella is more low key than Vanessa. That what separate them. Stella likes to show off the girls to in her pics! LOL! Like her bangs on her face. She looks different.

Kitkat

yeah like i said before what makes stella different to vanessa is purely her body. shes full figured and large chested. vanessa is the complete opposite, petite and flat chested. stella uses that to differentiate between them and create a new fanbase. i think stella is very cute but not gorgeous like vanessa so i see why she would use her body to get attention.
i didnt like the bangs at all at first but i think im warming to them. i think she should take her extensions out though they are terrible for someone who probably pays hundreds of thousands for them to be done.

rainbow2

The bangs make her look different. She really exploded in her body when she reached 18. Some women do. Stella did or she is taking birth control pills which could be side effect.
Vanessa is flat chest but she does have breasts before she did Gigi. I think she really burned the calories and got thinner. She is gaining some weight back which makes her look better and healthier.

She needs to take out the extensions. They are to long for her with her bangs and face to me.

Kitkat

stella was absolutely tiny for the longest time so birth control could explain it. her face started to swell a lot which is also a common side effect. but i guess if she was se xually active a lot then she didnt want to risk coming off it. there was a point where vanessas face started to look chubby as well (i think around 2010) and i assumed it was just casual weight gain but it couldve also been birth control (my mom said she used to get the same thing).

vanessa burned a lot of calories during gigi, it wasnt her fault but you could tell because in some outfits you could see her ribs and her chest was slightly bony. now its not because shes gained the weight back but i think around 2013 was her best weight. she had a fair sized chest and was still slightly curvy yet slim.
vanessa fills out a lot differently to stella. after gimme shelter, she put on weight on her face but she also put a fair amount on her breasts, hips and butt. hardly any went to her waist how lucky lol.

What a laugh

I know I have said this a dozen times but nobody wants to listen to me…it is not my opinion but something I know for a FACT. Depending on the Tupelo goods you eat will be what makes you have a certain “look” Vanessa has NEVER been fat. She has always had a nice figure. But if you go back to when she was with Zac she seemed much heavier. She did weigh more but she was “rounder” because she ate more MEAT!!! Zac is a big meat ester and she set that way. Austin is more of a vegetarian—if not a full blown one—and is one reason he has such a thin face. Vanessa eats more like that now—has even said she eats primarily veggies now—so her face is no longer round and she no longer has a little tummy that she used to complain about all the time during HSM movies and when she was with Zac. You want to be really thin?? Eat mostly veggies and run a little. Also, birth control pills will not put on more than about 4 pounds on you at most. If you gain it is because you are eating to much food that is high in sodium and you are suseptible to retaining fluids. I will say this one time as I have never said this on the back threads, I am in the medical field and I know what I am talking about.

rainbow2

Could be true! It really is the food consumption. I think Vanessa east meat or chicken. Maybe that why she is gaining more wieght now. She does eat cheese still. She eats lot of it! She was more active in Gigi than any other perod of her life. She was heavy for Gimmie shelter becasue she had to gain weight for the role and sh did SB Haromny said don’t worry about weight.

Vanessa does eat cheetos! or hot cheetos and post about it! LOl! So her diet is not that strict.

Birth control affects people in different ways. She probably did gain some wieth Stella. I beleie her body just changed too. She was think but your body does changed overnight for some girls around 18.

What a laugh

Your body does change at certain times in your life and Stella became more of a woman. However, I seriously thinks she likes to eat the type foods that will put weight on a body. I also think she is a lazy butt who doesn’t like to work out or at least is not committed like Vanessa is.

Kitkat

agreed lol i remember her making videos about how much she hated going to the gym but she did it for vanessa.

rainbow2

Trues, she is not committed as Vanessa. All of us go through this phase once in a while. Stella hit that milestone. Her body changing and eating habits caught up with her. What amazes me is she still has no stomach only her thighs, and upper chest changed.

What a laugh

Well, if she doesn’t change thing her belly will go up to after she reaches 30. I said in another post I lived on Big Ma s when I was the ages of Stella and Vanessa and I had BREASTS and a little bit of hips but a narrow waist! How I wish I could say that now. LOL

The whole thing about keeping the weight down is maintaining strong muscles. My muscles tone was great and I had dome strong muscles do I burned calories very fast. Don’t let yourself get FLABBY!

What a laugh

Vanessa loves seafood too. If she eats more veggies now she can get away with cheese without putting on weight—especially since she works out so much and keeps her matabolism at a high steady pace. When I was her age I lived on Big Macs believe it or not and I kept my weight down because I danced do much and was on the go condtantly. I also didn’t eat tons of other foods like Big Macs throughout the day. There is a lot of aspects that go into play here. But her body will change again between the ages of 30-35 even if she doesn’t have children. Then again after the age of 45.

rainbow2

She eats sushi I think not as much as Sami does! LOL! Couldn’t help myself!

Vanessa does do a lot exercises. She can get away with eating.

Kitkat

isnt it ironic that zac picked someone who loves sushi like vanessa does? it was a bonding food for them because its a part of her culture to some extent. he even went to the phillipines.

Kitkat

yeah vanessas never been fat thats why i said shes lucky at how she fills out because her waist remains indented and small. shes got that natural curve it really upsets me im so jealous lol.
i said this further down but vanessa changes for the bfs even religion. shes very religious now but back when she was with zac she wasnt. austin is religious and a vegetarian surprise! zac is also dating a vegetarian which is sami funnily enough but he still eats his meat because he is still bulky and doesnt seem the type to just stop because his gf doesnt eat it.

because vanessa isnt working out for like a show or movie shes been very casual with her diet which is good i like her slightly fuller. her high cheekbones will always be there because thats just how her face is.

i think birth control did contribute to stellas weight gain a little but she definitely is a couch potato too. she sometimes posts pictures of her eating a salad and all that and then posts her eating fries and says “fries are vegan”. shes inconsistent with her diet and weight which is why she is still big. dancing is what kept her thin but now she quit she doesnt do anything.

Kitkat

also its true some women explode into their body at around 18. i did about 17. i was a super late bloomer and was flat chested and skinny throughout the whole of high school. now at 19 i suddenly got some hips and D cup boobs so you never really know. but i still think stella may have had a boob job. the time she took off social media was the right amount of time needed to heal from boob jobs.

rainbow2

She could have had it. But I don’t see the deep clevage like when you have boob job done like on Ashley. I have relook at her boob job again! LOL!

Good points! I like the pics to show the difference. She could have had a boob job. Good of you to follow her! Makes getting information easier! She had enough time to heal for sure if she was inactive for that period!

What a laugh

I developed very quickly—so quickly ( and because I definitely was not flat chested) that I was like a pregnant woman and got stretch marks! But I started my monthlies when I was 11 which was very young in my day. Back then girls didn’t start that kind of thing until around 14—that was the average age. The average now is 12-13.

What a laugh

Also, I meant to say in my last post how she looks like they are fake. It also looks like she has on a push up bra that makes a person look bigger because it pushes everything up and in.

What a laugh

Vanessa isn’t really flat chested. She is just tiny bobed and petite so she is not going to have a lot of cleavage—unless Es she w pull get implants. She used to be bigger when she was with Zac because she was a bit more rounder because of her weight and the type things she ate.

Now Ashley is the one who was FLAT chested—now THAT is flat chested. But of course now that she has has her boob job she has cleavage.

Kitkat

i said flat chested in comparison to stella but i noticed that she had bigger boobs before because like you said she was slightly rounder. during hsm 2 she looked particularly round (in a curvy way lol) and full chested (like a large b cup) but i now im starting to think maybe thats when she started to take birth control not later on.

ashleys chest was completely flat but the boob job looks ridiculous. she went up at least 3 cup sizes which is wayy too much stretching of the skin for the size she was before. its so obvious she got it done. her nose job was also a bit of a flop too because it makes her face look longer. deviated septum my butt – every star seems to use that excuse.

rainbow2

True! Her nose job was done becasue she wanted it. No other reason along with the boob job. I don’t know why she had the boob job done? For roles? Escapes me why?

What a laugh

Because she definitely need one to get the type roles she was hoping for. That girl absolutely had NO boobs.

Kitkat

got the boobs jobs and still no roles lol hollywood fooled her

rainbow2

OUCH! It did! I couldn’t understand why she did it. No roles came out of it just a photo shoot showing them.

What a laugh

In all honesty it may have made her feel a bit more “sexy” and confident since she was so flat. I don’t blame her for doing it if that was the case. She may not have needed to go to the size she did but she didn’t do like some did 20 years ago.

rainbow2

Maybe she did want to feel more sexier. She waited to do it. She never did confirmed she did it either.

What a laugh

She didn’t admit to the nose job either. Most actresses will not admit to such things as nose jobs or boob jobs.

rainbow2

you got a very good point. Fans noticed! Didn’t help her get roles either. Sexier loooking could be the reason.