Prepare For El Ninohttp://www.businessinsider.com/el-nino-likely-to-develop-2014-7/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 17:08:36 -0400Agence France Pressehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b44d9c69bedd4559e18532fredlledWed, 02 Jul 2014 14:21:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b44d9c69bedd4559e18532
I thought the US South-West was supposed to get increased rain due to El Niño?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b44d51eab8ea167e331822fredlledWed, 02 Jul 2014 14:20:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b44d51eab8ea167e331822
Stoopid Ferrari banging scientists! /Homer voicehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b446d8ecad045e42d8477cIgnorant FoolWed, 02 Jul 2014 13:52:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b446d8ecad045e42d8477c
El nino? We got to stop them Mexican kids from crossing our border.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b4342ceab8ea3a1f33181fAvi RubinWed, 02 Jul 2014 12:32:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b4342ceab8ea3a1f33181f
Is there investment opportunities due to this effect?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b42e156bb3f76f598c2a5aMikeWWed, 02 Jul 2014 12:06:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b42e156bb3f76f598c2a5a
The author objectively discussed the natural earth cycles all they way through the article, but it seemed that his editor must have forced the out-of-context addition of the plug for his Global Warming belief at very end. It didn't fit and certainly didn't summarize the gist of the article. These people just can't seem to help themselves.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b421a4eab8ea1258331821JohnHWed, 02 Jul 2014 11:13:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b421a4eab8ea1258331821
I've heard the "Earth on steroids" comment before and it's nonsense. The MLB steroid era (which isn't completely over, BTW) was characterized by more and longer home runs. Even in a sport as statistically noisy as baseball, the effect was unequivocal. There is no such indicator in the Earth's climate. Keep in mind that the underlying cause for climate change is retained surface heat due to greenhouse gases. If that isn't present then none of the other effects can be attributed to global warming.
Temperatures haven't increased. Hurricane's haven't increased. Tornadoes haven't increased. Droughts have been more common in recent years, but that's consistent with the La Nina regime we've been in. If you want to attribute it to climate change then you have to find a way to explain how CO2 affects ENSO cycles. What is more likely is that the reverse is true...ENSO cycles have a short term effect on persistent weather patterns that mimic shifts in climate, but they are not sustained over decadal time scales.
Hurricane Sandy is a perfect example of misattribution. It was an unusual storm but for it to be significant to a discussion of climate, it would need to be repeated. We would have to see a regime of weak hurricanes with immense areal extent that result in tremendous storm surges. That would represent a departure from the norm and would demand explanation. Ideally, you would want to see someone predict that it would occur before the events occur. None of that happened, yet Sandy is constantly referenced as an example of "Extreme weather due to climate change".
Finally, climate science has created a problem with attribution. If I look in the literature I can find predictions of cold, hot, snow, rain, drought, calm, storm, or just about any other weather phenomenon that you can think of. As far as I can tell, all have been embraced equally by climate scientists under the umbrella of "extreme weather". Unfortunately, weather extremes have always been common, and our fondness for means and averages sometimes obscures this fact. For an area to have a full year of average weather would actually be very unusual. With literally thousands of regions in the world being monitored at least a few of them should have something utterly mind boggling happen. What's interesting is that climate scientists recognize this in the peer-reviewed literature, but imply otherwise in press releases to the media.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b40718eab8ea407433181fdoodleWed, 02 Jul 2014 09:20:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b40718eab8ea407433181f
65 WATT FLOOD LED LIGHTS- $30-- 60 WATT BULB--$15-- WE ARE PAYING FOR DEFORESTING IN JUNGLEShttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b33f81ecad04be3f7a85fbAnd So...Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:08:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b33f81ecad04be3f7a85fb
Really Doug? C'mon man...learn to search
<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-el-nio-and-la-nia-really-are-2014-6" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-el-nio-and-la-nia-really-are-2014-6</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b325e26da8111152943583Name m vogellTue, 01 Jul 2014 17:19:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b325e26da8111152943583
How often would you atribute a home run by a player taking steroids to the steroids? Most every player hits a home run sometime, so you cannot tell. It's just that the players on steroids hit many more home runs than those not on 'roids. The earth is on steroids now- no way to tell which weather events they cause, but there are more exceptional events.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b3167169bedd603639a7d6cougar.hunter.54Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:13:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b3167169bedd603639a7d6
There's a 70% chance that you'll say something intelligent by the end of the month. But then again, there's a 30% chance you won't.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b315fbecad04ad2348e9f0cougar.hunter.54Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:11:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b315fbecad04ad2348e9f0
El Nino is just a scam, like global warming, so that research scientists can get huge gov't grants, drive around in ferraris and bang supermodels.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b302816bb3f7137a603d7aevent horizonTue, 01 Jul 2014 14:48:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b302816bb3f7137a603d7a
If the polar low splits and sends the jet stream south again with all that energy and a warming Pacific will enhance the Aleutian Low this could be an interesting winter.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b3016069bedd854639a7dbevent horizonTue, 01 Jul 2014 14:43:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b3016069bedd854639a7db
The problem is that "independent of mankind" you wish. you are not going to get off the hook that easy. Not only have you polluted the atmosphere but you have petro chemicaled the food supply , destroyed essential species and as your attitude above illustrates you simply have no respect for this planet.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2f5c26bb3f7ec4e603d6dPeter GTue, 01 Jul 2014 13:54:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2f5c26bb3f7ec4e603d6d
Wrong on absolutely every count
1. I don't read the Daily Mail and I don't know who Rose is. Not that any of that matters
2. I assure you I know far more about Thermodynamics than you. Not that that matters either as this is a Heat Transfer problem not a Thermodynamics problem.
3.You have to stop treating the conservation of energy equation as if the sun and the earth are the only bodies as play. You have to start asking if the earth is or is not capable of radiating as much heat as it absorbs
4. You have to stop treating the problem as if there is only one equation and one independent unknown. Also, the faithful keep trying to ingnore huge variables like the sun treating it as a constant. That one place Mann goes horribly wrong.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2f47269bedd500f39a7d2Teri WTue, 01 Jul 2014 13:48:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2f47269bedd500f39a7d2
So what happened to the prediction of a 70% chance of El Nino being here by July? Oops, hasn't happened. But sooner or later, if they just keep putting off the predictions every few months they'll get it right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ee85eab8ea3760d61a17Gil MicheliniTue, 01 Jul 2014 13:23:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ee85eab8ea3760d61a17
Define "legitimate". I hope you don't believe that because it is a US government source, it is legitimate.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ed16ecad04020e48e9f6smilingdonTue, 01 Jul 2014 13:17:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ed16ecad04020e48e9f6
So we get to pick either drought or deluge? I'm not sure either choice is good.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2cdcfecad04c91548e9f5SuBlImETue, 01 Jul 2014 11:03:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2cdcfecad04c91548e9f5
Last week they said the scientists might have been mistaken about el nino for this year...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c60b6bb3f7eb1a603d75clearfogTue, 01 Jul 2014 10:30:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c60b6bb3f7eb1a603d75
The nonsense is that there has been no global warming for 15/16/17 (whatever the particular nonsense) years. You are referring to an article written by Fine Arts major David Rose for the Daily Mail, the British equivalent of the National Enquirer. Rose used the cherry picked year of 1998, the strongest El Nino in a century, and then misrepresented the UK Met Office data to such a degree that the Met issued an internet statement the next day debunking Rose and the tabloid, calling Rose’s claims ‘misleading.’ I have the Met statement; just ask and it can be yours.
More importantly, Rose addressed only ATMOSPHERIC warming, not GLOBAL warming, so your statement doesn't even correctly state the content of the Rose article, a.k.a. the 15/16/17 Year Lie. The oceans are 250 times more massive than the atmosphere, the atmosphere absorb only 2% of the warming, so the warming is going into the oceans, especially below 700 meters. The heat is being transferred to those depths by internal waves and by trade winds pushing the warming water to continental shelves, causing the warm water to sink, as explained in several peer reviewed papers. Want the citations? I have them. Also, volcanic activity, including Pinatubo, has caused some reflection of solar radiation as established in a peer reviewed paper recently published. Again, just ask.
Who gets their knowledge of science from a Fine Arts major writing for the Daily “I Am The Mother Of Bigfoot” Mail? Deniers, that’s who, because they cannot get it from real scientists or peer reviewed papers.
Finally, we know that the globe is warming because we can accurately measure incoming and outgoing energy with our satellites and there is a positive balance. Short of repealing the First Law of Thermodynamics, the globe will continue to warm.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c4ff6bb3f70412603d71clearfogTue, 01 Jul 2014 10:26:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c4ff6bb3f70412603d71
No such claims. El Nino has been predicted for several months.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c0186bb3f78c05603d6dOpenyurisTue, 01 Jul 2014 10:05:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2c0186bb3f78c05603d6d
Looking at a single weather event isn't indicative of long term climate patterns, which I absolutely do believe that we are changing. It's just not appropriate or accurate to attribute every tornado, or hurricane, or el nino, to climate change.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bd4e6bb3f7987a603d6dPeter GTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:53:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bd4e6bb3f7987a603d6d
No, it doesn't. Cherry picked data shows what you want it to show. The real data shows fluctuations in golbal tempatures PRECEEDING fluctuations in global CO2 levels.
We can't have a discussion if you insist on lying. The "debate is over" ONLY because you can't bring yourself to be honest. True liberalism at work.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bd1169bedd162b39a7d2BubsirTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:52:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bd1169bedd162b39a7d2
Still plenty of strong belief in global warming - the "17 to 18 year" you refer to is still just a blip in the data. Those are still many of the hottest years on record. it will take a reduction back to the 1950s norms (or further) before any serious researchers say the trend has been broken.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bceeecad04a95a48e9ebbadbobTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:51:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bceeecad04a95a48e9eb
Kinda like saying that your retardedness has nothing to do with your mother's lifestyle? Hate to break it to you but EVERYTHING is inter-connected.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bc24eab8ea3e0bd61a19badbobTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:48:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bc24eab8ea3e0bd61a19
You said it. "This country" not the world. It's China, India, Indonesia, Russia, and Brazil that account for the ever increasing amount of pollutionhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bb6f69bedd4c1b39a7d4OpenyurisTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:45:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bb6f69bedd4c1b39a7d4
It's really stupid that any arbitrary weather event is now attributed to climate change and not just that the earth has weather patterns.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bafeeab8eaf703d61a1cOpenyurisTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:43:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2bafeeab8eaf703d61a1c
Please cite a legitimate source before posting this nonsense. Most of the energy from global warming, something like 90%, is stored in the ocean which has been steadily warming since the mid 1800's. Even if you look at the most inaccurate ocean temperature, which is surface temperature, it's been warming for more than 100 years and has been accelerating for the past 20 years.
<a href="http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b843eab8ea467ad61a17OpenyurisTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:31:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b843eab8ea467ad61a17
The earth's temperature over the past 40K years is irrelevant because in the context of this discussion humans were producing very little CO2 until about 200 years ago. All data shows warming trends since the industrial revolution.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b7c6eab8ea7179d61a1bpatchyfogTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:29:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b7c6eab8ea7179d61a1b
I'm kinda' sick of every article remotely related to weather turning into a Climate Change Food Fight, although this is a mild example.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b32d69bedd7b0239a7d2JonKTue, 01 Jul 2014 09:10:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2b32d69bedd7b0239a7d2
<a href="http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm</a>
"We, Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, believe that the warming and even the cooling of global temperatures are the result of long-term climatic cycles, solar activity, sea-surface temperature patterns and more. However, Mankind’s activities of the burning of fossil fuels, massive deforestations, the replacing of grassy surfaces with asphalt and concrete, the ‘Urban Heat Island Effect,’ are making conditions ‘worse’ and this will ultimately enhance the Earth’s warming process down the meteorological roadway in the next several decades."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2af0469bedd5e7039a7d2RollerDTue, 01 Jul 2014 08:52:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2af0469bedd5e7039a7d2
Uh, no.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ac3aecad04001648e9f3Not SureTue, 01 Jul 2014 08:40:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2ac3aecad04001648e9f3
well...on, to what? Oblivious to what?
If you care to look up the information you can find scientific graphs of the Earth's temperature for the past 40k years. You will then be informed with evidence, not agenda.
Since the 60's, this country has reduced air pollution, measured in metric tons, through innovation and moral commitment.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2a2c8ecad04a37248e9ebwell...Tue, 01 Jul 2014 08:00:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2a2c8ecad04a37248e9eb
You sir, are oblivious.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2a153ecad04a96448e9f4Doug in VirginiaTue, 01 Jul 2014 07:53:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2a153ecad04a96448e9f4
Just FYI, no such article shows up in a search of BI articles for the past two years.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2970c69beddcb0439a7dcPeter GTue, 01 Jul 2014 07:10:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b2970c69beddcb0439a7dc
"...but we expect the long-term warming trend to continue as a result of rising greenhouse gas concentrations," noted Jarraud.
To continue? Wouldn't it have to start getting warmer in order for him to say "continue". Global tempatures have remained flat to slightly cooler over the past 17-18 years. This guy is still living in the 90's when people still believed in the Man Made Global Warming Hoax. The world wil get warmer and the world will get cooler independant of mankind. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it will always be.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b29020ecad046f3148e9ebAnd So...Tue, 01 Jul 2014 06:40:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53b29020ecad046f3148e9eb
Just about three months ago, BI and other "news" sites were claiming "...get ready for La Nina..."
So which one is it?