‘we are prepared to pick of the pieces to start over..’
If you think that we will have a say on the rebuilding of this nation after the ‘Progressives’ designed implosion, you don’t know youre history. We’re along way from finding freedom again. There is a process and right now we’re between apathy and dependence.

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posted on 11/08/2012 12:48:57 PM PST
by griswold3
(Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)

I’ve been thinking a lot about the above today, and I think there are several ways to make it work. The Cliff Notes version is that if you can become an independent contractor, even if to your current employer (assuming they’ll play ball), than a lot of costs become deductible expenses. You can also, if I read it correctly, turn a large personal income into a small personal income, plus a large corporate income, which would potentially make you eliglible for otherwise means-tested programs.

The big question, if you have health insurance through your employer, is how you’ll purchase whatever level you feel you need independently. That is probably going to be an ever-moving target over the next few years too.

So youd be ok with taking peoples hard earned money? Sorry I cant help you, as it has never crossed my mind on ways to take peoples money.

If you're working, part of that was once your money too.

What's the difference between paying income taxes and social security taxes? A promise by a politician? The same ones who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution?

The arbitrary proclamations of a Congresscritter or bureaucrat as to who is eligible to get money back, when half the country isn't even contributing anymore and we're borrowing to make up the difference while inflating the currency, no longer carries a heckuva lot of moral weight with me.

I voted against the system being created, and I will continue to do so, but there's a gun pointed at my head if I try to operate outside of it. If I have to live within the system they created, then my first moral obligation is to myself and my family, and I'm now going to take every advantage which that system provides. Legally, of course.

I was thinking a long these lines. I'd actually gone so far as thinking of getting a divorce (on paper only) and getting on the dole. (: Wouldn't do it but I have thought of it.

My former neighbor got divorced three years ago. She's completely nuts but college educated, no reason why she can't work. 3 kids. Gets a full boat of crap and even lives in a rental house her parents own and now collect Section 8 housing for...I saw her at back to school night for my daughter's high school. I had purchased one T-shirt for my daughter, she was standing there with the 3 she had purchased. Then she told me she gets $200 a week in food stamps and can't eat that much so she sells some of it back to her siblings.

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posted on 11/08/2012 1:14:02 PM PST
by riri
(Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)

The local food banks also list where u can get government hand outs. that is where the cheese comes from.. Here in San Diego the seniors get it in their monthly box.. It directs u to where kids get meals from the gov even on the week ends, also there are several places that give government food , tomorrow is one day in my area.. I go and get mine.. Have paid taxes for 55 years and dont feel a bit guilty.. Next Tuesday is the government senior box.. I get that as well..

Can we discuss the idea of getting divorced on paper a little more. We have no debt and we do have savings. The husband works in one of the few areas where there is currently money to be made. I stay home with our daughter. What benefits would I be able to get, would he have to pay child support if I didn’t ask for it, how should we do our estate planning taking this into account so that we would get hit hard by estate taxes? Are there other questions I should be asking on this topic?

"taking people's hard earned money?" Lots of people like me have given the government plenty over the last 25 years. The government now tanks the economy on purpose, so it's their turn to take care of me for awhile. Only seems "fair" and you don't want big government being unfair do you?

My niece purchases hay from a guy for her horses. He is handicapped but she doesn’t know how, as he works his farm very easily. The other day she called him and he told her not to call on his regular cellphone, but to call on his GOVERNMENT PHONE because it was free. I told her to turn him in!

Listening to the pundits like George Stuffituphisass, the Caucasian race is now fair game. Apparently, the GOP is toast because it’s only for “old, white men”. As such, it’s time for the new minorityâ¢ Caucasians to form a protective coalition much like the NAACP that will look out for whitey’s interests, sue for any perceived disparities and to make sure whitey gets his fair share. Then and only then will you get your freebies.

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posted on 11/08/2012 1:56:32 PM PST
by liberalh8ter
(If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)

Perhaps going undercover and getting involved directly into the belly of the beast. Pretend to be a democrat volunteer, go to meetings, get involved WITH them to learn how to betray them. Be a spy.

Same with becoming a bureaucrat. Get into the system and then put the brakes on everything. selectively as to not hurt individual conservatives if possible. Make like an undercover agent.

The left has seminars to deal with conservative radio talk shows. We should take that idea and return the favor in every other opportunity. Go undercover, spy, gather intelligence to embarrass or expose illegality, sabotage with faux incompetence, fit right in but with the intent to destroy from within.

1) Typically, the mortgage interest deduction is the single largest benefit available to middle class tax payers. We live in a 4 unit owner-occupied unit rental property, so we also get to depreciate 75% of the cost over 25 years. In addition, all our property taxes (14K a year) deductible. On a cash flow basis the rental income covers all of our housing expenses: mortgage, property taxes, insurance, & utilities - we live here for free, plus it reduces our overall Federal tax rate 7% *Huge* gift from the government, and from non-property owning taxpayers.

2) The biggest “subsidy” for lower income workers is the “Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC),

The max gross income / tax credit is 19,190 / 475 for a couple filing jointly
and 47,163 / 5,236 for joint filers with 2 or more dependent children. (Those are maximum crests, the actual credit depends on adjusted income).

(3) If you employer pays apart of you heath insurance, that’s another major subsidy - worth around $3.5K a year for us. Plus we fund a HCSA out of pre-tax income, that’s worth around $400.

4) If you don’t have a college degree, education at state funded second/third tier colleges is typically still relatively affordable and heavily tax-payer subsidized, substantially increases lifetime earnings, and dramatically reduces unemployment.

This can work for professional credentialing as well. It cost my wife (who already had a unrelated 4 year degree) around $1800 at a local community college to complete the classroom work required to sit for the CPA exam. She passed on the first try and her income was around 30,000/yr greater within two years. She’s got the CPA, and no subsequent employer has ever asked if she has an accounting/finance degree, or where she got it.

5) The Meta runs downtown from Evanston IL to the loop, where my wife’s office is located. A government program subsidizes purchase of her ticket (via her employer) to the tune of around $700 a year.

There are lots and lots of middle class subsidies around, if you look, but you have to *work* to to take advantage of them.

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OTOH, most of the “free” stuff is either not available to the middle class, or not worth it.

6) SNAP (”Food Stamp’) max income is $1,640 for a family of two, and 2.498 for a family of four (actually the rules are a bit complicated, but this gives you an idea).

7) Medicaid (Free heath care) is generally available only to those 65 or older, or blind or disabled, and cannot afford to pay their medical bills.

8) CHIP programs providing reduced cost medical care for children under 18, but there are pretty stringent income requirements.

9) Low cost or free dental care is often available through dental schools - I eventually has to have all of mine replaced because it was done by a “C” student, but it lasted 15-20 years.

10) “Welfare”, as most people think of it, has not been available since “Welfare Reform), there are temporary assistance programs, but they have low income and asset limits, low benefit levels, and strict time limits.

programs, but the eligibility requirements exclude most middle-class and many working families.

9) What all the freebies have in common is that there is a *lot* of time and paperwork involved in getting and keeping them, including a lot of time spent dealing with overworked and sometimes unpleasant bureaucrats - I’ve been poor, and I’ve been “middle class”, and believe it to not, “being poor is one of the toughest jobs in America” - it wastes *huge* amount of time and energy just to stay afloat

It’s pretty simple, I see it with the retirees that I help. If you have money, put it into your children’s name(s), then get onto a waiver program for section 8 housing. Wait your turn, and you’ll pay only 300.00 a month for a nice 1 bedroom apartment. You’ll be able to deduct your medical prescriptions from your rent as well. When you need cash, call your kids and have them bring it to you.

Or imagine if say 60 million people just all of a sudden went and applied for everything they could even if they weren’t “qualified”. Food Stamps, Obama phones, Housing, SSI, heck even Social Security. That in itself might gum up the system.

"What all the freebies have in common is that there is a *lot* of time and paperwork involved in getting and keeping them, including a lot of time spent dealing with overworked and sometimes unpleasant bureaucrats - Ive been poor, and Ive been middle class, and believe it to not, being poor is one of the toughest jobs in America - it wastes *huge* amount of time and energy just to stay afloat"

Hmmm? Interesting? So if this is true .... it makes more sense as to why people would vote for the party of "free stuff" ... If being poor is a "tough job", why would anyone vote against their job and lose it??

... sad, but enlightening... **sigh**

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posted on 11/09/2012 7:46:39 AM PST
by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")

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