On 2014-02-09 03:34, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:I don't make personal attacks on people here, nor do I do it just because I don't like them, Jefe
unlike you.

You seem to have forgotten when you were admonished a couple of months ago for doing what you claim you do not do to Gene. Remember you apologized and then went back and deleted your posts. You were also banned recently for attacking and insulting a member. Remember?

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I am guilty of direct criticism, maybe not delivered in the form you would prefer
but honest none the less, but it is you whom has attacked me personally and repetitively
for some time now, you attack my sense of humor, say it has no place here on TC
because you don't like it.

I have not attacked you but instead called your BS. I am not the only one who has questioned your humor especially when you were clogging up threads by posting comments and images that did not pertain to the post at hand.

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Yet not once have you offered your own opinion to counter mine, you only offer personal attacks
and that makes you a hypocrite of the highest order.

Did you not read my post above discussing your delivery? Did you not read my posts in the Bahooka thread before it was locked? All of those posts were my own opinion countering your prior posts. You seem to have a problem of not reading previous posts before you post. Be careful when you point the hypocrite finger because when you point you always have three fingers pointing back at you.

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You don't like me, everyone gets that, so stop acting like a little child
and get on with your life now, you made your point, for what it is worth.

[ This Message was edited by: Atomic Tiki Punk 2014-02-09 06:30 ]

I don't know if I don't like you. I have never met you in person. What I don't like is how you conduct yourself here on TC just as you probably don't like the way I conduct myself here on TC. That's OK. Wec all have our own opinions right?

You are 100% correct Lucas. I should have not directed that directly at ATP. ATP I apologize.

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And I will go further and say that I have been attacked by you merely for making statements that are NOT against any member of this forum. For example, when I said I was against a bar band playing modern country music at a tiki event (That bar band has no members on this forum) it was not a personal attack against anyone, but only a general criticism....and you were all over me like a cheap suit. Seems you do that a lot.

I did not attack you Lucas. Since you brought that thread up we will go there. I along with many others were simply telling you there is a place and time for everything and that thread was not the place or the time. If you have a beef with Otto or what he does go start a Lucas has a beef with Otto thread and knock yourself out. Don't you remember that shortly after my post you went into one of your shame spirals, apologized and then left for a while? Seems if you did not think you did anything wrong you would not have apologized and left.

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You think ATP is the tiki police? You are more like a special reserve officer. Look in the mirror for a moment. You are accusing people of doing things that you yourself do far too often.

I'm not even sure what you are talking about here.

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And you are a bit of a stalker as well. Soon as ATP posts something you don't like, you are right there. I am pointing this out because it is not the first time you are doing it to him. Don't like his posts? No one is forcing you to read them. And calling someone a "poseur" is an insult. I got news for you, bud...there are a lot of original punkers on this forum and I am one of them!

Kinda like how you are right there to post after ATP? It has only been by coincidence I promise you. I have way better things than to try and follow ATP around. I apologized above for calling ATP a poseur.

Well then, that's cool. I just don't like seeing people ganged up on, like it looks like you and swizzle do to ATP....hey, know what? I think ATP is a bit outspoke as well! But I KNOW that I am, so I won't dare call him out on it.
Love or hate the guy, we kind of do need tiki police on this forum. You have not been here all that long, boss, but there was a time when this forum was invaded on a weekly basis by parrot heads...and if jerk-holes like me, ATP and a few others had not said anything....who knows how the forum might have ended up!

Maybe we don't need to comment on EVERYTHING....but if ATP is anything like me (I can type 6 million words per second) then most of the time the words get out before we can stop them.

I truly am not trying to insult people with my own strong opinions....with me, half the time I am genuinely surprised people on a forum that focuses on retro style like Tiki don't share a lot of my opinions....

Over the years, I have had to modify my hard line stances on things....to accept, for example, the advent of surf and low brow to tiki (In my heart, I don't think they belong) but I admit, I am in the minority in holding that particular opinion....

ATP likes to pop off... but boss, you admit you have never met him...wait 'till you do....he really IS a nice guy. Words don't accurately portray a person. From his words, you might assume he is a sour old man (like me) but in reality, in person, the guy wears a smile 24/7....in fact, the only one who smiles more than him is Mad Dog Mike.
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"You seem to have forgotten when you were admonished a couple of months ago for doing what you claim you do not do to Gene."

Ok so I have a question about the Gene thing.
When he posted people came on his thread and said "Great job guy welcome to TC" and they kept saying it.
PLUS Gene posted like 9 times a day, and it was mostly the same stuff, that hey kinda sucked.

There are a lot of artists on tiki central who do stuff that is not really tiki. Whether or not it should be posted here...I think we are all entitled to opinions about that.

But having said that, I often find that even the non-tiki stuff that is posted here tends to be very high quality. I really don't care for monsters, but if something was crafted well, and took someone hours to create...hell, it's more than I can do! They are more talented then me...and I don't mind admitting it!

I always think back to the times Jeff "Big tiki dude" Hanson gets on me about not supporting surf music. he has a good point: Surf is really not my thing....(though I was aware of it, and listening to it long before he was a twinkle in his mom's eye!)....BUT, there are some excellent bands jeff has turned me on to.....yeah, it's not my thing...but I can clearly recognize the talent level, dig?

Would it surprise people to know that I really don't care for most tiki drinks? They are too sugary, too sweet...I prefer my booze to be old school booze.......straight up, neat, whatever... I am just not into fruit based drinks with sugar.....so I guess I am TIRED OF TIKI DRINKS!

(Good lord, I managed to stay on topic for once!)
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But the second mug, The little shrunken head mug Is on the tiki side.
And I could find others who are snubbed, good tiki artists.
It is odd to me that they don't get more play on TC.

Plus I think there are some that smell a fight and they want in.
There are the ones who want to throw gas on it, I have some of that in me, sorry.
And there are the protectors that feel and need to jump in and save the guy
even if he is a goof.
Also here are the people that just have a jones about certain people and hate whatever they do
right or wrong.
Plus tons of TC folks jumpin up and down "sayin look at me" and or selling stuff, I'm in here too.

But the ones who are getting rare to find are the ones who ADD something, a thing that is good
with no hidden agenda, I try to do this some so I'm not a total dick, and can give back to TC
A place that has given to me in many ways.

This whole recent "discussion" is interesting to me as I've actually met and have had drinks with ATP (who I socialize with regularly), Lucas Vigor, Tikiskip, El Jefe, and Swizzle. I have no doubt that IN PERSON, you all would get along quite well.

There is a disparity on TC in the many areas you bring up
We definitely have a "League of Back Slappers" (or from my Punk Rock days a "Circle Jerk")looking for self validation
This recent push into political correctness on TC leaves a bad taste in my mouth also

So I too feel jaded, jaded that the history of Tiki is being replaced by new (or younger folks)
who only perceive it as a style or trend to be mashed up into what ever they like, but if you point that out,
you're some kind of Tiki Nazi?

On 2014-02-09 16:00, JOHN-O wrote:This whole recent "discussion" is interesting to me as I've actually met and have had drinks with ATP (who I socialize with regularly), Lucas Vigor, Tikiskip, El Jefe, and Swizzle. I have no doubt that IN PERSON, you all would get along quite well.

On 2014-02-09 16:00, JOHN-O wrote:This whole recent "discussion" is interesting to me as I've actually met and have had drinks with ATP (who I socialize with regularly), Lucas Vigor, Tikiskip, El Jefe, and Swizzle. I have no doubt that IN PERSON, you all would get along quite well.

If any here think I dislike any of these people in the above post this is not true.
I have met only John-O and we along quite well also.

The odd thing is the people that started this rant of mine don't even
know it's here I'm sure as they are too busy going "me me me"

On 2014-02-09 16:13, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote: but if you point that out your some king of Tiki Nazi?

YOUR should be YOU'RE in the above sentence-----The Spelling Nazi.
(There should also be a comma after "but if you point that out", but GROG more of a Spelling Nazi than a Grammar Nazi."
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