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That "Madara chose Obito" means that Madara decided not to kill him, he decided to use him for his plan. He 'chose' Obito because he probably noticed that he survived those rocks using an incredible jutsu. Obito clearly used Kamui for slipping away from the rocks, not even Madara understood how Obito survived. That's when Madara chose him, he noticed that Obito was special and that he could have an incredibly powerful mangekyo.

Tobi never gave the paths Sharingan, that's just a part of the jutsu he used.

In any case, I can't wait to see the explanation Kakashi has. We know Obito didn't completely snap because Kakashi's still alive, he was probably waiting for Kakashi to explain, I guess? Or just completely gave up? Eithe rway though, Obito is a shit character now, and completely ruined Tobi.

With kakashi awakening the MS when he was a child,not just the plot/timeline but even itachi's statement in vol 29 when kakashi asked him about blindness. Also, he hadn't even noticed that he did have the MS when they met in vol16

My bet is Kakashi and Rin as well as all the other ninjas there are white zetsu clones. That whole scene was orchestrated so that Obito would stay with Madara. There is no way Kakashi and Guy can beat Tobi. So Tobi is going to get the upper hand in the fight. He is going to confront Kakashi, and Kakashi is going to tell him he didnt kill Rin, and thats going to mess with Tobis head, he will find out the truth, and will then join Naruto to fight Madara.

White Zetsu's can't awaken mangekyou sharingan's that's my guess. You can argue they can use jutsu but not a mangekyou sharingan that would just be too much. For one it would require that Madara knew what Obito's mangekyou sharingan would look like. I'm hoping Rin get's up in a few days as an Edo Tensei and proceeds to fight Obito not of her own will.

My bet is Kakashi and Rin as well as all the other ninjas there are white zetsu clones. That whole scene was orchestrated so that Obito would stay with Madara. There is no way Kakashi and Guy can beat Tobi. So Tobi is going to get the upper hand in the fight. He is going to confront Kakashi, and Kakashi is going to tell him he didnt kill Rin, and thats going to mess with Tobis head, he will find out the truth, and will then join Naruto to fight Madara.

zetsu wouldn't need to awaken MS.

its not like Obito and Kakashi were looking at each other or that there is any significance in zetsu awakening MS to trick Obito.

Chances are, Kakashi is the reason why Obito got Mangekyo. The eyes could have still been connected that if either got MS, the other would get it as well.

So basically, Kakashi unlocked the Mangekyo, since his eye was still Obito's, who was alive. It'd explain why Obito saw Rin from Kakashi's point of view.

I'm confused, how does Kakashi deserve credit for that? If anything the opposite is true. Given the fact that Obito could see out of his other eye. That was by no design of Kakashi. Best case scenario for both of them, the trama from that event unlocked the Mangekyo for them individually but at the same time.

I'm confused, how does Kakashi deserve credit for that? If anything the opposite is true. Given the fact that Obito could see out of his other eye. That was by no design of Kakashi. Best case scenario for both of them, the trama from that event unlocked the Mangekyo for them individually but at the same time.

how would Obito unlock Mangekyo when he shouldn't have felt the emotions that Kakashi did from killing Rin? Obito in no way had a hand with unlocking Mangekyo, and he didn't unlock it until he got there. If Obito deserved credit, it'd have been when he saw from Kakashi's point of view Rin being stabbed.

how would Obito unlock Mangekyo when he shouldn't have felt the emotions that Kakashi did from killing Rin? Obito in no way had a hand with unlocking Mangekyo, and he didn't unlock it until he got there. If Obito deserved credit, it'd have been when he saw from Kakashi's point of view Rin being stabbed.

benefit of doubt goes to Obito. Kakashi is a cold bastard, i dont think he feels much. Young Obito on the other hand seems to be a nervous wreck.

how would Obito unlock Mangekyo when he shouldn't have felt the emotions that Kakashi did from killing Rin? Obito in no way had a hand with unlocking Mangekyo, and he didn't unlock it until he got there. If Obito deserved credit, it'd have been when he saw from Kakashi's point of view Rin being stabbed.

Obito spent the last chapter remembering the the crap that happened the last time he was with them. He out right declared that both he and Kakashi would protect rin due to Madara's words to him. And then he has to see that Kakashi killed Rin. The very person that Kakashi was supposed to protect with the eye granted to him. The emotions that Kakashi felt don't matter. Because at this point, Obito is feeling at crap ton of emotions himself. To the point that all he can do is scream and think to himself that he wont aknowledge what is happening. The fact that the dude could still see through his eye would imply him unlocking the Mangekyo for both of them more than the other way around.

The last part of what you said would give Kakashi credit not obito. If Kakashi was to thank for the Mangekyo obito would have unlocked while jumping through the trees, because Kakashi at that point would have been experiencing the trama.

Obito spent the last chapter remembering the the crap that happened the last time he was with them. He out right declared that both he and Kakashi would protect rin due to Madara's words to him. And then he has to see that Kakashi killed Rin. The very person that Kakashi was supposed to protect with the eye granted to him. The emotions that Kakashi felt don't matter. The fact that the dude could still see through his eye would imply him unlocking the Mangekyo for both of them more than the other way around.

The last part of what you said would give Kakashi credit not obito. If Kakashi was to thank for the Mangekyo obito would have unlocked while jumping through the trees, because Kakashi at that point would have been experiencing the trama.

Rin was still alive at the time, though. Otherwise Obito would have unlocked Mangekyo when he saw with his own eye Rin being stabbed.

Rin was still alive at the time, though. Otherwise Obito would have unlocked Mangekyo when he saw with his own eye Rin being stabbed.

Dude, obviously that is what did it for him. you can tell by the look on his face. the exact time he unlocked the Mangekyo doesn't matter. he can't and won't, by his own words, acknowledge what has happened.

If he won't acknowledge what happened, then he can't have felt the emotions required to unlock the Mangekyo. Kakashi's face shows he was feeling a lot of emotional pain as well, so he could have been the one to unlock Mangekyo.

If he won't acknowledge what happened, then he can't have felt the emotions required to unlock the Mangekyo. Kakashi's face shows he was feeling a lot of emotional pain as well, so he could have been the one to unlock Mangekyo.

I like what you did there, but it doesn't work. One can still experience a dramatic event but try to block it out because of the context. Kakashi's crying out of one eye shows that he is going through emotional pain. you can't really see his face. That's why I said the best case for both of them, more so Kakashi, is that the trauma from the event unlocked the Mangekyo individually but at the same time. Implying that Kakashi unlocked it for Obito is reaching. I don't know if it's just because you don't like Obito and like Kakashi or what, but it's reaching.

It has nothing to do with bias... don't know where you got that from. But the way Mangekyo was said to be unlocked, I'd naturally assume it was Kakashi who unlocked it. Though, I understand what you mean now, and actually think your version is more accurate.