“I believe psychotherapy is a matter of integrating two paradoxical polarities: working to modify unconsciously learned and held emotional programs (what PBSP calls “maps”) and a two-person relationship that cannot be reduced to any technical or scientific understanding. I like the way PBSP deals with this polarity. What psychology calls “symptoms”, which are things like anxiety, and depression, I see as the self communicating with the self saying that something is off and needs to be changed. The methods and theories of PBSP are my favorite way to help people deal these needs.”

Gus Kaufman, Ph.D., Senior PBSP Trainer, is an experienced clinical psychologist working with individuals, couples, families and groups as well as providing training and supervision for other therapists. With Al Pesso and now other PBSP trainers he has conducted many PBSP training programs for therapists. In addition to lecturing and teaching around the U.S., Europe and Asia, Gus has co-founded five non-profit organizations and published many chapters and articles. One of these was his PBSP-based dissertation research ‘Body Signals of Childhood Loss‘. Gus is a longtime board member of the PBSP Institute.

Robbin C. McInturff, Certified PBSP Therapist, Supervisor, & Trainer. Licensed Professional Counselor, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, state of Alabama. BA, Queens College of the City University of New York, MA in English, Indiana University, MA, Agency Counseling, University of Alabama in Birmingham.

“I am currently certified in PBSP, and I am in the process of being certified in Emotionally Focused Therapy. Experiential therapy from a systems theory foundation is the basis of my work. I currently see adults for couples and family therapy, individual long-term psychotherapy, and pbsp group psychotherapy. With my partner, Jim Cotton, I offer a weekly 2-hour PBSP group and a monthly 4-hour PBSP group. I am available for supervision in PBSP. I am also a PBSP trainer.

I am most interested in long-term, in-depth work with people. For me, it means not just helping them find relief from the symptoms, but helping them work at the core cause of the symptoms. Both the theory and practice of PBSP helps me achieve that end.

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