Which was the better performance? Fed or Nole?

Nole vs Ferrer SF AO'13

Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07

Nole vs Ferrer SF AO'13
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Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07
Obv both were playing ridiculous tennis in these matches. Everything they hit somehow went in. The opponents were quality...
P.S. PLEASE try to be unbiased

I swear, websites are regressing. What is the point of those stupid bars in the middle of the stats. Seriously, keep it clean.

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I picked Fed over Roddick. The reason for this is Fed's superior aggressive margin.

Aggressive margin is a statistic which captures how aggressively a player played. It calculates the net number of points won by aggressive play. Formula = (Winners + Opponent's forced errors - Own unforced errors) / total points played. It is explained further in this thread and [URL="http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_24691_original.PDF]this document[/URL]

1. In the Fed Roddick match, 51% of points in the match ended in a Fed winner or in Roddick making a FORCED error. 9% ended in Fed making an unforced error. Which gives Fed an aggressive margin of 51% - 9% = 42%. The comparable numbers for Novak were 42% - 13% = 29%.

2. Another way of looking at the stats is to ask what percent of each player's points were won through aggressive play as opposed to an opponent unforced error. Fed won 78% of his points through aggressive play, whereas Novak won 62%.

Ferrer is a much tougher opponent to completely blow off the court in Australia then Roddick was

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Good God, you actually believe the weak era crap you spew everywhere? I thought that was just obvious trolling. Ferrer is not even in the same ballpark as Roddick - never has been and never will be. You are so biased it's physically painful to watch. You're gonna hurt yourself with those mental gymnastics.

The worst (or best) part of all this is that the Fed trolls will complain about him winning another poll convincingly while conveniently ignoring that Federer over Roddick is probably the correct choice anyway.

Good God, you actually believe the weak era crap you spew everywhere? I thought that was just obvious trolling. Ferrer is not even in the same ballpark as Roddick - never has been and never will be. You are so biased it's physically painful to watch. You're gonna hurt yourself with those mental gymnastics.

No, not exactly. He changes what he wants to say based on the situation. If Roddick is used to bring down Sampras's era he will call Roddick a talentless hack.

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Honestly, it would just be safer to call everyone in this era a "talentless MUG", including Djokovic and Nadal, because there's the possibility that one or both will encroach upon Sampras' place in history.

yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.

Good God, you actually believe the weak era crap you spew everywhere? I thought that was just obvious trolling. Ferrer is not even in the same ballpark as Roddick - never has been and never will be. You are so biased it's physically painful to watch. You're gonna hurt yourself with those mental gymnastics.

Federer's perfromance was better, more winners and less unforced errors. Roddick is a better player than Ferrer too, he actually went into the match with some belief. Ferrer looked like he was resigned to his fate from the beginning. Ferrer doesn't have a weapon like Roddicks serve to help him either.

yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.

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Ferrer's won just two sets in the five GS semis he's played, and has just one win over the Big 4 in GS play. Meanwhile, Roddick has beaten Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray at the majors, the latter two after they had achieved top 5 status.

yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.

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Yes, really, not in the same ballpark. Roddick's HC resume trumps Ferrer's by a good bit, and bringing up H2H is a poor way to compare that, but it seems to be the default for everyone around here when facts get in the way.

Yes, really, not in the same ballpark. Roddick's HC resume trumps Ferrer's by a good bit, and bringing up H2H is a poor way to compare that, but it seems to be the default for everyone around here when facts get in the way.

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Yep apparently h2h negates the grand slam title, the multiple masters and the grand slam finals Roddick has over Ferrer.

Easily Fed, alright ferrers a tough opponent no doubt, but roddick serving at a high percentage and still getting completely smoked! He may not be the greatest server of all time but undeniably year after year he'd always finish top 3 for service games held, and he served very well in that match, Ferrer always struggles to hold serve against the Big 4 and other top 10 players, yet roddick in his prime could hold serve quite comfortably against the top players, being that his serve is so much stronger then Ferrers, I think David is rather weak in terms of holding serve, he doesnt serve very fast and can't really get free points of serve like Roddick could

Easily Fed, alright ferrers a tough opponent no doubt, but roddick serving at a high percentage and still getting completely smoked! He may not be the greatest server of all time but undeniably year after year he'd always finish top 3 for service games held, and he served very well in that match, Ferrer always struggles to hold serve against the Big 4 and other top 10 players, yet roddick in his prime could hold serve quite comfortably against the top players, being that his serve is so much stronger then Ferrers, I think David is rather weak in terms of holding serve, he doesnt serve very fast and can't really get free points of serve like Roddick could

yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.

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It's safe to say that Roddick and Ferrer will not be mentioned as part of the same tier in terms of their career achievements when all is said and done.
32 titles for Roddick vs. 19 (and counting) for Ferrer
612-213 record for Roddick vs 500-248 (currently) for Ferrer
A major title and several finals + a handful of masters for Roddick

Most of their matches have occurred during or after 2007, at which point Roddick had already peaked and Ferrer, as a late bloomer, was just about to enter his, despite the similarities in their ages. There were no matches between them that occurred in 2003-2004 and only one in 2005, years when Roddick was truly in his prime.

yeah, and the era was weak, andy roddick being a major proof for this theory. So, gs champion and multiple finalist (2002-2006) manages just one more gs final in remaining years on tour (2007-2012), or, as someone might add, in the strong era. Retires at the age of 30 (not 33) with no big injuries. I would say the era was weak.

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I think his shoulder finally decided to call it a day. When playing exo's now, he's not serving over 120 mph ever. He's not even reaching 120 at all.

Nole vs Ferrer SF AO'13
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Fed vs Roddick SF AO'07
Obv both were playing ridiculous tennis in these matches. Everything they hit somehow went in. The opponents were quality...
P.S. PLEASE try to be unbiased

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They were both one sided and in both cases the losing player could have played better.

I don't even think that Ferrer is better hard courter than Roddick. I just don't think that someone can have 7:4 h2h, without being on the same level as his opponent. It just doesn't make sense.

If u look it up, I enlisted almost every advantage Roddick has over Ferrer.

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Roddick, in his prime, was twice the player Ferrer ever has been. In 2003, Roddick one Montreal, Cincinnati, and the US Open back to to back. That is 19 consecutive victories on the masters and GS level. This something neither Federer nor the strong era boys have ever been able to accomplish in the American summer HC events. He actually displayed an outstanding amount of competence on his favorite surfaces like USO/Wimbledon, something Ferrer has never been able to do on any surface.

So, yes, Roddick is a far superior player than Ferrer despite the h2h. Using h2h as a benchmark would lead to ridiculous conclusions. Do you think Safin is not much better than Santoro? He is 2-7 in h2h.

Good God, you actually believe the weak era crap you spew everywhere? I thought that was just obvious trolling. Ferrer is not even in the same ballpark as Roddick - never has been and never will be. You are so biased it's physically painful to watch. You're gonna hurt yourself with those mental gymnastics.

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Roddick was subpar at best in Australia. Ferrer is somewhat formidable there. Moreso then Roddick ever was

People's impressions of Roddick have been clouded by the last 2 years of his career, he was a very good player in his prime. Ferrer is getting underrated in this thread though, he's been great over the past 2 years and overall may end up with more GS SF's than Roddick did actually. They are the same age too, Roddick just declined at age 28 while Ferrer actually improved at the same age.

Tough to pick. If you go by the stats Nole's stats are a little bit more dominant than feds higher 1st serve win% and 2nd serve win %. few more total points won, and 0 break pt opps for ferrer 1 for roddick.