Cadillac V-Sport General Discussion Discussion, 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!! in Cadillac CTS V-Sport; Originally Posted by odthetruth
... To lose 600lbs is too tall of an order on a CTS-V, IMO.
Maybe so, ...

Re: 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!!

If you were asking them to trim 600 lbs from the current sigmaII CTS, then yes, that would be impossible.

But that is not what they are doing. The 3rd gen CTS will be so in name only; this is an ENTIRELY new car. From the ground up folks.
We will find out tomorrow I guess. I could be wrong. It's happened before.

And who say any V has to be faster than any M? What are the odds of a bone stock V lining up next to a bone stock M?
The V doesn't stand a chance against the M in the media. The communist car rags will make sure of that. Fortunately, most of us enthusiasts are above the preschool level those guys operate at.

There is no way the ATSV with a TTV6 will weigh the same as the ATS 2.0T.. It just wont happen. The ATS 3.6 weighs 3561 and the V will most likely be heavier than that too with turbos/intercooler etc. The ATSV will probably be well over 3600 lbs.. Which isnt so bad.. The 2012 M3 weighs 3700 and the 2013 335 is about 3600.

Re: 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!!

Having given the V1's power some thought, after reading this thread, methinks the V1 needs a power adder.

Could they have offered it with one, yes, and why did they not? Probably had something to do with product planning.

Cadillac and GM never would have had a CTS-V ripping the luxury sport sedan class a new ******* big enough that the muscle car lines would feel it. ...not in 2004, anyway. Nor was there a need to--the V and its class has remained close-ish in power and performance.

Would've been cool, though. I like the way the V2 led Vettes and Camaros by the hand with the LSA

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: I'm upping the motor plans from 6.6L to 6.6 with supercharger. ("hey nice Caddy! is that the one with five hundred something horsepower?"

Re: 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!!

Originally Posted by repenttokyo

i take him seriously. i'd rather drive an e30 m3 than a new 3 Series. And I am not in the minority.

Thanks, he has some sort of issue with my analogies. In a pm he is suggesting that I have deficiencies in my logic for posting those analogies, and then asked me how much college education I have. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be like this towards others.

Re: 2014 regular CTS to have 420 HP !!!!

Maybe so, but it needs to. Well, maybe 500 which would put it at ~3,800 lbs (oink oink).

3800lbs would be amazing, but even a well trimmed ATS falls into 3700. I don't see how a car built to be a larger car and a 5 series competitor will be in that weight range.

Originally Posted by JimmyH

If you were asking them to trim 600 lbs from the current sigmaII CTS, then yes, that would be impossible.

But that is not what they are doing. The 3rd gen CTS will be so in name only; this is an ENTIRELY new car. From the ground up folks.
We will find out tomorrow I guess. I could be wrong. It's happened before.

And who say any V has to be faster than any M? What are the odds of a bone stock V lining up next to a bone stock M?
The V doesn't stand a chance against the M in the media. The communist car rags will make sure of that. Fortunately, most of us enthusiasts are above the preschool level those guys operate at.

I doubt the V guys set out to be slower then the M series guys... in any aspect. The E90 M3 has been out since 2007 and has had 420hp since then. To 'battle' the future M3 with 420hp would be a mistake. Even with 450 would be a mistake. Odds are the new M3 will be closer to 500. Fully optioned ATS weighs 3700ish. I don't see how the TT 3.6L can weigh less then the 3.6L, as mentioned here. I'm expecting the following:

ATS-V; 3650 lbs with 480hp
CTS-V; 3800 lbs with 620hp

Best case weight and worse case horsepower scenario

I think the V stands a decent amount of chance against whatever they put it against. Look at the V2 comparos. Everyone hailed it for its price per horsepower bargain, its handling, and its interior. There really was not much negatives I heard in big wig comparisons.

The only place I've ever seen stock Vs line up against stock Ms has been in a camera for MotorTrend or InsideLine or some Youtube car channel. There is absolutely no denying the modability of the V2 powertrain platform, which with less money, will pull an F10 M5 with no issue. Intake, Pulley, Tune will get you above 580hp crank in the LSA with no problem.