Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

Bonefishblues wrote:Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

Which begs the question,wt actual f have they been doing for the past ten years?

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

You can't say the present bunch of incompetents are right thinking anythings

Bonefishblues wrote:Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

Which begs the question,wt actual f have they been doing for the past ten years?

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

You can't say the present bunch of incompetents are right thinking anythings

In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Bonefishblues wrote:In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Quite!So I equate their same logic to them as I always have

But - and a big but - in this respect, they were responding to the will of the people, to use the currently fashionable phrase. I'd rather be presented with uncomfortable truth, even if it is just that, but it isn't how politics works, is it.

Bonefishblues wrote:In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Quite!So I equate their same logic to them as I always have

But - and a big but - in this respect, they were responding to the will of the people, to use the currently fashionable phrase. I'd rather be presented with uncomfortable truth, even if it is just that, but it isn't how politics works, is it.

Nope it sure ain't.There's never been a more incompetent bunch of idiots running any show that I've attended

And now the govt want no jail for 6 months or less ... and just how weak do we see sentences for killer drivers ?.

Some of us gave been campaigning for this for years. At last government appears to be getting it.

Of course, what is needed is robust and credible community sentences. They are well known to reduce reoffending. They would, IMV, include tough bans for serious motoring offences. Killer drivers generally get longer sentences than 6 months anyway, depending on the circmstances involved.

Well community sentencing is a joke and not well funded. For me if anyone is DD it deserves a jail sentence as you are a potential murderer in that state.

Sentencing the boy, presiding magistrate Penny Wood said: ‘We need to tell you that our initial thinking was to sentence you into custody. It can’t be right to drive your car and knock down two people, innocent pedestrians and kill them. ‘However, there are no charges in relation to the standard of your driving on that day. But we can begin by saying so it can be heard by anyone in the court, that we take this extremely seriously.’

Motorist gets off on reasonable doubt, claimed car hit him from behind pushing him into cyclist, cyclist had severe spinal injury and was made a paraplegic. Court didn’t even consider injuries to cyclist. Careless driving charge dropped Nov 18, court October 2019. Can I appeal this

Mgp wrote:Motorist gets off on reasonable doubt, claimed car hit him from behind pushing him into cyclist, cyclist had severe spinal injury and was made a paraplegic. Court didn’t even consider injuries to cyclist. Careless driving charge dropped Nov 18, court October 2019. Can I appeal this

I would think they would have to have some evidence? But if it wasn't the fault of the person who hit you, I don't see how the court could consider the injuries. But then they should have prosecuted the person who hit him from behind.

I'm not sure about appeal. I think you need to get legal help, rather than asking on a cycling forum.

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