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'...we're angry at the producers because they're punishing us for it!' Could you ask for a better attitude from Mark & Michael? Don't bother, because this is the only one they're giving you: they ran a perfect leg and anyone who says differently is discriminating against them. Yep: completely flawless run. You won't find a dram of remorse or atom of self-doubt anywhere in their perfect pile of self-generated bull.

Let's take this a little further. Shall we lay some of the blame for Marge's heatstroke at their feet? Maybe she wouldn't have expended so much effort if she'd been pulling a rickshaw that had good tires. Certainly slowed her down, which was their intent. It could have really slowed her down. As in 'stopped. forever.' Heatstroke can kill. Think they'd feel a twinge of questioning about their tactics then? Or just 'One more team out! And at least we didn't have to watch them check in and take our prize...'

Very charming. Very strategic, I'm sure. And as far as these two are concerned, I'm very done.

Just to be fair here: Victor's sister wanted to do the same thing with the cab, right? I didn't even know it was against the rules until Victor said so. As far as the pumps-have we seen other teams try to jeapordize the people behind them? It seems like we have-I'm not pointing any blame, because I honestly can't remember. But is there a huge difference in THAT and paying your taxi driver to cut off another team? Or yelling at him so loudly he can't think, so he'll speed up, basically put his life and everyone around him on the line, so you can get there faster?? I dunno. At least that what I was thinking at the time. Maybe I am a scumster, too. I don't think I would have done what they did, just because of my OWN personal morals, but it seems that many before them have done some pretty petty crap-can someone help me out here?

Anyway, another point: Were they there when Marge collapsed? Would they have even figured out that THEY could have caused that somehow? I mean, running in the hot city-duh, you gotta drink water! No one else got that heated or sick, so why would they automatically think that it was THEIR fault that she got dehydrated and over-heated?

Not to take any blame away from them, but I also think there are 2 sides here. They're tired of coming in almost last, and I just don't see them doing much of anything else that hasn't been done before-it's not like they set a trap that someone was sure to fall in and break a leg with. They mixed up the pumps to add time to the route, was my impression.

Just wondering if they really are the evil midgets that they are being paired as? At least they weren't screaming at the man in the apothecary store, the taxi cab driver, and calling everyone in the city a moron....just my thoughts for the day. Take or leave 'em. Just don't tell me to shut up-it's the rules. LOL.

I half agree with you, I didn't see that much difference between what they did and most of Boston Robs antics.

However whilst I can forgive them hiding the pumps I really have problems with the unthinking racism. Although even then they were outdone by the redheads who seemed to feel that anyone who isn't American is inferior, pity poor SDG if he happened to hail from a different country, they wouldn't be so accepting then.

I see where you are coming from. When I say they do not have a sense of honor, I am talking about putting the pumps away, "Ching Chonging" down the street, etc.

I can't really blame them for Margie passing out. We don't know if she drank enough water. It could have happened without M&M hiding the pumps. She was doing the running. Maybe she should have let Luke run more. I am sure it is hard not to be able to communicate with your partner, but maybe she should have let him try more.

For the lvoe list this week I struggled who to put last and I ended up putting M&M. When all is said and done M&M and Jamie and/or Cara are pretty awful people.

I partially fault the producers regarding Margie's condition... I totally agree with slapping Mark and Michael with a penalty for messing with the tools, but someone on the production staff should have laid them out again before the other teams arrive. Having the teams pull that much weight for two miles in such heat with flat tires was irresponsible.

Hi! I don't remember the clue stating anything about the tires. I believe because they saw the pumps on the ground it made them think to look at the tires, and then they saw the flat one. That's what I remember.

So it never occurred to the other teams to double check the equipment/rickshaws.

Not that I have an opinion one way or another ;)Signature by tribephyl

Why? It was the first time i have seen actual malice from a team to screw others up. Yes other teams should have read the clue but the pumps were hidden in the box, not laid out next to the bikes like the friggin midgets were.

I reckon the midgets knew the clues just thought they could get away with it visa vie, taxi leading. I mean Victor read the clue, even the girls (somehwat suspiciously) knew it.

With malice, i personally believe the last team, Mel and Mike, should have gone through and at least have the midgets do another task or something.

Regarding margie and Luke (hahah Luke enjoyed the elephants thats for sure) why was she so dehyrdated? Im sure no where in the clue did it say you couldnt drink water and Phuket has millions of little stores everywhere to buy it. Its like 20 baht, about 20 cents in UC currency, if that. Also pump up a tire.

Dehydration hits you pretty suddenly, at least as far as the fainting goes...throw in heat stroke, and the fact that they're under a ton of stress, and that probably factored into her collapse.

I'm guessing Luke's not an EMT for a living - he got the hell out of the way and didn't even try to help, but Phil was all over the situation. Luke probably did the right thing, but it still looked a little odd - maybe production told him to stand back?

As far as the stunt brothers go...well, yes, they're jerks for doing that, and they're a little mouthy. I missed the racist remarks, but even without them...

I actually missed those racist remarks, too. Thanks for pointing that out. They really ARE jerky!!! Not that I didn't think they were, for hiding the pumps, etc. I just wondered where the penalties came from, when I never heard anyone say anything about them, except that Victor told his sister that the driver couldn't lead them....

I know in other episodes, I have seen people purposely tell the airline ticket people NOT to give others good rates, the same flight, etc. So, my concern is, what is the differece? Is it that they are trying to bribe someone other than actually handling equipment? I suppose so, huh? I've never actually seen any of the personell take them up on their bribes or antics, as far as I can remember, anyway.

I SO agree that Mel and Mike should have been given another chance, and look at tonight-have they learned ANYTHING??

But also, what about Marge (I think it was) having the cab driver-maybe it was the screaming red-head cheerleader, give the WRONG directions for the Sister's team, and they ended up going the wrong direction. Shouldn't THAT be against the rules, too??

I am just SO FED UP with these players at this point! Don't even get me started........I may have to start a totally new post just to vent.

I'm not sure that that actually happened, that was just what the sisters thought. But they never showed Margie telling the cab driver to do it. And when the sisters left and their cab was still there she was just confused as to why they were leaving.

Exactly - I think it was the sister's interpretation of what happened. What DID happen is that Margie asked her cab driver not to share the NEW info he had learned. And then they left after the sisters pulled out and went the right way.

Not that I have an opinion one way or another ;)Signature by tribephyl

I can't stand the little weasels either, but when did it become against the rules for teams to use personal posessions as payment? I seem to recall some team giving away their shoes, and I'm sure there have been other examples over the seasons.

Yes. Dandrew bought shoes with their TAR per-diem money, which is within the rules, and these shoes were later used to settle a taxi bill.

The difference is that M&M used something they brought into the game as a bartering tool, which is against the rules. If it were okay, what's stopping teams in the future from stocking up on Rolex watches or other expensive items to trade in wherever they go?

The producers need to create an even playing field from the start of the game. Whatever teams do with the money they get during the game is fair game for bartering since everyone gets the same amount at the start of each leg.

My husband and I were wondering the same thing! We remember seeing other teams do that. Now, could it be that it was ok when you were a non-elimination who came in last, and unlike this year, you had to leave all your possessions behind and just make do with whatever you could to get to the next location? I don't know, but I do know for darned sure that other teams have done this!!

Wasn't it DanDrew who had to buy new shoes? and then one of them tried to pay the cabbie with his? but the cabbie didn't want his stinkin shoes?So maybe it's only against the rules if the cabbie accepts the personal property as payment?

Or? Phil just needed a way to get those two at the end of the line - hopefully they'll be last again next week.

I loved it when they were explaining why they had to break the rules, which almost sounded sincere (didn't want to screw the locals out of money they had earned) and the editing of Phil glaring 'down' at them and not even responding.

Why is the penalty getting tacked on at the beginning of the next leg? It seems to me like they should be able to ride it out at the end of the previous leg. It's not their fault that the producers create massive bunching.

Because this is essentially the same as the penalty being applied to the end of this leg. Had there been more teams besides the two sisters on the course, they would have had to wait for them to be checked in before the brothers could check in. As it was, after the sisters checked in, there was no reason for Phil and Token Local to stand around another three hours while the brothers lounged on the grass.

Fear the reaper."The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

I could be mistaken, but I thought during the first cab ride, the meter read something like $685, putting them about $200 short. They told the cab driver they only had $00 and bartered. Then when they got into the next cab, they told the driver, they only had $200.

So were they really $200 short on the first cab? Something doesn't add up to me.

I think on the first cab, they lied (gasp!) to the driver so as not to have to give him all their cash, and he agreed to take less. Then for the next one, they had the $200 they held back from the first driver.Makes their story on the mat about "wanting to be sure to pay the cab drivers what they owed them" and bit of a farce doesn't it.

I finally figured out who they reminded me of. Kevin Kline's character Otto in the movie "A Fish Called Wanda" He was always reading classic literature (War and Peace), and tried acting like a real intelectual, but when someone would try to explain something marginally complicated to him he would get all confused and was always asking "what was that middle part again?"

My all time favorite movie. And one of my all time favorite characters.

Wanda: But you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?Otto: Apes don't read philosophy.Wanda: Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct you on a few things; Aristotle was not Belgian! The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself!" And the London Underground is not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up.

Certainly not taking up for Mark/Mike, but they were penalized for interfering with other racers for putting the pumps in the boxes. If I recall, didn't the clue state something about using a pump? So the teams should have known to look for one?

Last night we saw Tammy and Victor (1)direct someone else's cab driver to take them to a wrong entrance and (2) ask airline crew to deliberately seat someone in the back of a plane.

How is that really different from Mark and Mike interferring? And they clearly had a language advantage.

Good question. We've seen teams over the years exhort ticket agents to not give other teams a seat on a flight.

I think the difference is that the interference by M&M was physical in nature and potentially affected the health of others. Then again, while asking airline crew to deliberately seat others in the back isn't a physical interference such that it'd affect health of others, directing the cab driver to drive to the wrong entrance would have a way of physically wearing out other teams from taking longer to get around (like M&M did with the bike pumps).

Perhaps we'll see something about this at the end of the next leg -- remember, this is a superleg, the leg isn't finished yet and they haven't reached an actual pit stop. Hopefully Phil will penalize Tammy/Victor then.

I don't think T & V directed the other cab to the wrong entrance. Tammy told Victor to "look the other way" (away from the others) so as to not draw attention that they themselves were 'not stopping' at that entrance. They didn't want the others to see that they were going to a different entrance.

The thing about the tickets has been done again and again. Asking agents to not have any more tickets; or to seat someone in the back, etc.

Some examples that might incur a penalty:Not taking turns on the diving boards as they were supposed to do. If T & V had been rushing to get in front of the sisters and not allowing them a turn, that would be penalty worthy. However, they asked the sisters if they were ready to take their turn; the sisters told them to go ahead.

If a team were to move a clue box - or move something in front of a clue box to make it less noticeable (laughing about how often they walk within inches of one and still don't see it).

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