Another failure that had no chance to succeed. Terrible budget that wasn't going to be made back in a million years. He needs to do another Proposal, women still love him and will buy tickets to the right film i.e rom com.

It's one of the bombs I don't even put on a star. The film opened in the January wasteland, it seemed like an Oscar hopeful judging by the cast and director, yet it sucked by all reviews and was nowhere close. It should have done better, but it was never going to crack the top 3 regardless given what it was opening against.

I honestly don't even care about what does well in the box office, it's more about film quality, but this thing sounds awful.

I didn't like the movie because it was true, I thought it was just an incredibly acted film with a compelling script. Whether Kyle was a good guy or not, and whether or not he fabricated and made shit up in his personal life doesn't change my view of the movie.

Hard to believe the Hemmsworth movie cost 75m to make and another 20 or more to promote. I never liked Mann as a director but really shocked how low it came in. Esp when Hemsworth literally did a wet striptease on a talkshow for people to go see it

lanza218 wrote:Hard to believe the Hemmsworth movie cost 75m to make and another 20 or more to promote. I never liked Mann as a director but really shocked how low it came in. Esp when Hemsworth literally did a wet striptease on a talkshow for people to go see it

The problem is, as I said, it sucked by all reviews. Also, you had American Sniper with two household names attached, a story of propaganda, but still a "feel good" story of Americans killing "bad guys" added to Oscar inflations.

Then you had Kevin Hart putting out a comedy, which did less than his last few, but still a solid number.

Then, you had the other top films of 2014 that people wanted to catch up on. Even if the movie was great, it wasn't doing over 15m with that competition, which is still a bust for a 75m budget.

I agree, hard to believe Chris Hemsworth/Viola Davis/Michael Mann = 75m, I guess Hemsworth negotiates based on his Marvel gross, which is a terrible no win situation long term for the actor or the studio. You can't win.

lanza218 wrote:Another flop for Johnny Depp. What happened to this guy?

Nothing really happened. Nobody in this day and age draws for years just off their name alone, and he has almost sabotaged himself by picking awful films with repetitive characters.

People need to realize every actor is going to flop. If you're trying to sell tickets, you are going to fail quite often in this day and age. Even Bradley Cooper, the hottest guy in Hollywood will start "flopping" unless he picks amazing scripts with amazing timing. Look at Tatum, semi "flopped" with White House Down, only because Olympus was a hit and very similar. Smith, Sandler, Depp like reigns where the name sells tickets for decade are long gone.

The only actors immune to flops are the ones who avoid the big budget films and strive for quality over quantity.

Plus in the next few years he has Black Mass, Alice in Wonderland Sequel and Pirates sequel, he'll remain semi-relevant on those alone. Mass might bring him critical acclaim again if it isn't another Public Enemy, and the other two will do decent numbers.

Thats what I mean by what happened. He obviously isnt the draw on name alone anymore. Maybe can be arfued his name alone was never a draw. But why continue to pay him huge sums of $$$??? I meam id take a shitty role if I am getting 15m a pic so i can see it from Depps standpoint

Yeah, that's also my point, in 2015 nobody will ever draw off name alone like Smith, Depp, Sandler, etc, did. If Cooper, Tatum, Hart, any of them, put out a film that people don't have interest in, it will do poorly. You have miniseries on TV better than many movies, Netflix and countless other streaming services, people aren't blindly supporting names anymore.

I agree, why continue paying. The climate changed, you shouldn't give someone like Downey too much credit for what Iron Man does. Same with Hemsworth and Thor, Depp and Sparrow, etc, etc. Bradley Cooper will end up with a big bomb because he's going to get paid based on Hangover, Sniper, Silver, but if the film isn't good, it's not going to sell. The studio system builds and breaks down these names on their own.