Sorry becker, but the bucket biology is getting ridiculous IMO. I'm with rhinestone jerry on this one.

You might reconsider. I did not say a billion in the first year of the program. I just said Billions, meaning over many years. I forget the exact #, but they say a healthy fisherie brings 1 million dollars for every mile of resources. If thats true, how many miles long are the Lehigh and Delaware and tribs? Think that will add up to a billion pretty fast, no?

Don't be so quick to say I am wrong just because it's me

Posted on: 2011/2/8 9:24

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I assumed you were wrong because you provided no supporting information, for what it's worth. You still haven't provided any.

And regardless, what price can we put on existing populations of fish that would be displaced? What about the brook trout streams that enter these waterways? They'd surely become steelhead spawning beds. Do we really want to open pandora's box?

jayL wrote:I assumed you were wrong because you provided no supporting information, for what it's worth. You still haven't provided any.

And regardless, what price can we put on existing populations of fish that would be displaced? What about the brook trout streams that enter these waterways? They'd surely become steelhead spawning beds. Do we really want to open pandora's box?

Jay, I understand what you are saying about the brookies and I personally do not know that answer such as I am only a bucket biologist. These are great questions that i would love to understand as well.

Here is a link to what Idaho coalitions are saying the return of Salmon and Steel to the Snake River basin would bring in annually. I am just guessing that the Lehigh, Delaware is larger.

acristickid wrote:For those that have fished both- just curiuos, is the Lehigh similar do the Yough? I dont know a thing about the Lehigh but from the limited bits I gather it sounds similar to the Yough.

It's funny that you brought this up, because I always wondered the same thing about the Yough. I am also looking for this answer.

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LRSABecker wrote:Yea, I mean I know I would not want any of these fish in the Lehigh and Delaware system, because they would not bring billions of dollars into the economies of the towns up and down the rivers.

Pfft.

And no, I wouldn't. Period. Full stop.

These creatures DO NOT BELONG in this water. They are alien invaders. While I'm fully aware two of the finest sporting fish around are also completely alien invaders (the brown trout and the smallmouth bass), they've managed to nicely find their niche, adapt and thrive. However, if we moved our discussion back 250 years ago, I'd be making the same damned argument then, too.

We do not need to drop more creatures that don't belong in these water ways because some jackhole wants to go fishin' for them once a year.

Hell, some guy thought raising Asian Carp in a backyard pond to bring himself a taste of the olde country was a good idea too until they started to overrun the waterways of north IL, too.

All this mucking abotu moving animals around the world is a bad idea. Its foolish to think that mankind's short sightedness can fix the wonderful ways in which life has evolved to fill a specific niche in a given enviroment. If there were to be steelhead trout in the Lehigh and Delaware river, they'd be there.

There are not. Was there even a population of sea run brook trout in those rivers, when brook trout could thrive in them? Is there even history that salmonoids or char did an ocean run from the Lehigh or Delaware river, ever?

Instead, people are crying about how the striped bass, returning to their ancestral homewaters, might eat "the trout" in the fscking Delaware! WAH! Who the motherloving cares! Your trout do not belong there, and your sprot fishery can take a leap for all that it matters in the grand scheme of things. Embrace and enjoy the return of biodiversity to the world in which you walk, rather than cry about the fact that your invasive species are being eaten by the real inhabitants.

I want to see the dams come out, and I want to see your silly steelhead idea fail. Drive to the Great Lakes. THey want your billions of dollars.

I do not know Gfen why you are attacking me, as I stated before, I am not the one personally behind this and I am not the one that believe this will work. I am just stating what I have been told by people that know more then me. I will back it though if it proves to be true, just because of the financial windfall it could bring.

Were salmon and steel present in Erie, Ontario, or did they start stocking them? Don't here people complaining now do I? I would also guess that those tribs held brook trout as well?

Posted on: 2011/2/8 10:13

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jayL wrote:The establishment of the fisheries in erie and ontario is already done. The damage can't really be reversed.

You can't compare the relatively closed ecosystems of the great lakes and tribs to that of the delaware watershed and bay. It doesn't make any sense.

What damage? I think 95 out of 100 people would say they are happy those species were introduced there.

Closed ecosystem? Uhhhm that is not a closed ecosystem. Just because they are lakes and Very large ones at that, does not mean they are closed. Think of all the tribs that run into the lake and where those tribs run into other tribs and rivers.

Posted on: 2011/2/8 10:20

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jayL wrote:No time. I'm going to start sketching the wireframes out for a few websites to fight this campaign of idiocy, should it come to fruition.

Hey while your at it and being such a strong advocate for eco systems, maybe you should start some websites that help fight Marcellus Shale and all the power plants on the susky that are ruining the SM bass fishery. imo

Posted on: 2011/2/8 10:22

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