It is said that vedanā that is experienced at eye-base is only neutral. What happens when we look directly at the sun? It feels painful. If I put any other body part, such as an arm, it does feel bad. It can actually be felt as warm and pleasant. But if I look at the sun, there is unpleasant experience. Can somebody explain this please?

With best wishes,

Alex

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

Alex123 wrote:It is said that vedanā that is experienced at eye-base is only neutral. What happens when we look directly at the sun? It feels painful. If I put any other body part, such as an arm, it does feel bad. It can actually be felt as warm and pleasant. But if I look at the sun, there is unpleasant experience. Can somebody explain this please?

Because when you look at the sun, the overstimulated burning retina makes pain signals, as well as sending the regular eye-sense data to the brain as normal.It's not eye-base vedana you are feeling in your eyes. Eye base vedana is refers to the visual data.The stabbing pain sensation you feel in your eyes is body-base vedana. An actual sensation of physical, bodily pain, as your retina screams "Too much light!"

Then, saturated with joy, you will put an end to suffering and stress.SN 9.11

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

if we analyse like that, in the term of "all feelings (vedanā) experienced in the mind" we must say that there is no pain, there is just feeling of distruction of retina.If our mind is good trained, we can look at the sun, until our eye will be distroyed, but the mind will not feel pain, but will contemplain the retina distruction. The last eye-contemplaition

Eyes base vedanā only rise at retina and always accompanied indiffernce (neither-pain-nor-pleasure but it is bad experience by eyes sense) but eyes painful is base on muscle, or surface skin of the eyes.

It is said that vedanā that is experienced at eye-base is only neutral. What happens when we look directly at the sun? It feels painful. If I put any other body part, such as an arm, it does feel bad. It can actually be felt as warm and pleasant. But if I look at the sun, there is unpleasant experience. Can somebody explain this please?

With best wishes,

Alex

Pain?

Is the vedana that is experiansed (better arising) at the skinbase (heat, here the contact on the skin/surface of the eye) not neutral as well?

Just that! *smile*...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_