[A new bill] requires physicians, under the threat of a felony charge, to speak privately with a woman seeking an abortion to determine whether she had been "coerced" and to conduct an exam before providing abortion-inducing drugs....

Roys proposed that since Republicans want to use doctors to perform a "shaming lecture," that a state legislator also be required to be in the room to act as the official "state shamer."

The GOP legislature also passed a bill permitting abstinence-only sex education in public schools. Roys "facetiously proposed amendments to also give schools discretion on whether to teach the 'science of germs' and the 'theory of gravity.'"

There you have it: the comic stylings of Kelda Helen Roys. Roys, unlike the rest of us, has the opportunity to make jokes via the legislative process.

Why are liberals always so worried about being encouraged to feel shame? If it's not wrong, then there's nothing to feel ashamed of. Why does it matter so much that someone else might disagree with your behavior?

I'm trying to think of a good analogy. What if, when I went to buy a gun, I had to listen to someone give a 5 minutes speech about gun violence? (Let's set aside the fact that the constitution specifically allows me to bear arms.)

So? I might be a little annoyed; I'd probably laugh at the speaker. I can't imagine that I'd feel the least bit "shamed."

I don't understand why people have such a problem with abstinence-only sex education. I mean, it's not like it's unscientific. On the contrary, it's Biology 101, and you'd have to be kind of thick not to realise that it works.

On the other hand, I suppose if a student didn't figure out that abstinence is a viable strategy for avoiding pregnancy when he took Biology 101 and (one supposes) learned that babies don't come from storks but from sexual congress, he's, well, kind of thick, so perhaps there's not much point in joining up A and B for him with klaxons and neon flashing lights and calling it "Abstinence" -- it won't take either way.

Where is Freeman Hunt to remind us that the pro-life agenda has nothing to do with sex? If this is true why is pro-life legislation always followed closely by legislation about contraception and sex education?

[A new bill] requires physicians, under the threat of a felony charge, to speak privately with a woman seeking an abortion to determine whether she had been "coerced" and to conduct an exam before providing abortion-inducing drugs....

Roys proposed that since Republicans want to use doctors to perform a "shaming lecture,"

The parent in me hears But.. at the beginning of an excuse and immediately goes to Accept that what you did is wrong and don't do it again.

Alas, the don't do it again part is never followed. Or even the acceptance that something is wrong.

Well. It kinda is wrong because if you do it right it's kinda hard to get pregnant. Which is, if you think about, is kinda optional. It's not like its inevitable. like gravity or germs which are pretty much with us all the time and work as intended all the time and aren't optional at all.Just sayin'.

Big government when it pertains to social issues conservatives want controlled, small government in all other areas. I spent the weekend with a bunch of conservatives here in Walkershaw County.

Most are fiscal conservatives, very PO'D that the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with the legislation concerning women's issues. Most have said they feel Obama will win, precisely because of this overreach.

And Walker's administration has been on board with this trend, not smart.

Roys, unlike the rest of us, has the opportunity to make jokes via the legislative process.

Hmmm. It seems to me that most of the Wisconsin legislators are making a joke of the legislative process. Why should Roys be singled out for mocking the silliness and stupidity of Wisconsin's legislative actions?

Chickie, women's issues were being legislated by the Republicans long before the Fluke thing and long before Obama wanted Catholics to cover birth control. One piece of legislation after another has passed the Republican controlled House since 2010.

The steaks were amazing as was our weather, don't you wish you still lived here?

Legislating what is said in a private conversation between a medical practitioner and a patient is bureaucratic overreach to me. If some doctors want to ask questions about abuse or coercion, let them. If a woman doesn't like the questions she can say, "none of your damn business."

(And the tactics of this representative are indeed a sign that her skills and attitude are better suited to writing for the Daily Show.)

"Every time I go to the doctor/ER, I have someone ask if "I'm safe."

I was unprepared for it the first time I heard it. Out of the blue, the woman asked, "Do you feel safe at home?", and I just stared at her for a long time before answering, because I found the question so strange. Was she testing to see if I was paranoid (apparently I am)? Eventually the smart part of my brain (which is apparently not paranoid) kicked in and figured out it was some domestic abuse question.

I was tempted to answer, "I did, until now... Do you know something that I don't"; but I decided that bureaucrats probably don't have a sense of humor about this, so I answered with a simple , "yes".

I guess I'm use to the question. It's like if they ask me if I eat healthy, exercise, practice safe sex, who do I live with, do I smoke cigarettes or do street drugs.

When I recently had a physical, the doctor asked all these types of questions. And when I'm ill I just don't tell the doctor what she should do. She examines me physically, asks questions, makes a diagnosis, and we discuss what to do make me healthier.

This isn't how medical professionals who perform abortions work though, it seems.

But I haven't read anyone so far making the simple point that all this extra stuff costs money. Which will undoubtedly be shoved onto premiums. I have a friend from North Carolina who was "wanded" at $1000 a pop during her pregnancy. It just seems awfully strange to have a book-ended ideological argument that health care costs are too high - whilst simultaneously loading in extra medical procedures on top that do little medically and a lot to burden a bloated system.

More on point, the idea of making it a felony is kind of absurd. We have totally devalued the idea of a felony here. At most, if it must be criminal, ought to be a misdemeanor. And really ought to be no more than a civil offense.

Why are liberals always so worried about being encouraged to feel shame? If it's not wrong, then there's nothing to feel ashamed of. Why does it matter so much that someone else might disagree with your behavior?

Because liberal activists understand -- as conservatives once understood -- that shame is one of the most powerful forces there is for maintaining civilisation and order. It is more powerful than swords, guns, and the whole terrible arsenal of the modern state. Shame is about what you're afraid to do in front of other people, and it's a way of forcing contrary opinions out into outer darkness, where the paedophiles dwell.

That's why one of the key tactics employed by progressive activists is to try and make people ashamed of what they believe, ashamed of their opinions, their feelings, their sentimental attachments, who they are. It's only natural that they should hate anything that might turn shame back against their ideals, as was done in the old days.

AllieOop says: "Chickie, women's issues were being legislated by the Republicans long before the Fluke thing and long before Obama wanted Catholics to cover birth control. One piece of legislation after another has passed the Republican controlled House since 2010."

You obviously do not understand the process to making law. Just because something passed in the Republican House does make it law. It also has to pass the Democrat Senate AND signed by the illustrious "O".

So, go back to school or tweet your daughter and ask her if she understands any better than you you how thing works in the legislature.

No kidding Pam. Thank goodness we still have a Democratic majority in the Senate and a Democratic President. Keep up the good work Republicans, it will ensure a Democratic President with sit in the oval office for the next 4 years.

"AllieOop said...Curious George, yes you are right. The states are doing much of the anti women's rights legislation too. Can't deny that. See a trend?" Too? We are still waiting for the GOP controlled House stuff. Your link has nothing but planned legislation. And it isn' about "women's rights" but late term abortion restrictions.

"AllieOop said...Curious George, ad hominems don't make you look all that brilliant. It usually indicates you have no intelligent argument, which in your case is most definitely a trend."

You posted about the "GOP Controlled House" passing "One piece of legislation after another". As proof you post an article article about state legislation, and then say "well they're doing it". Except that article talks not about passed legislation, but planned legislation. So I don't need an intelligent argument...you do.

By the way, why do continually refer to Waukesha County as "Walkershaw" County? It would be "Walkersha." Do you not know how to spell Waukesha? Remember, part of being a smart ass is being smart.

Curious George, quit scrambling, you might pull a groin muscle or something. Republicans have lost big time by pushing this agenda. Do you think for one minute I care or respect what you have to say? You have proven yourself to be nothing more than a non thinking conservative, perhaps the thinking conservatives will rescue the Republican Party from sure defeat in November.

Since Walkershaw County is not the correct name for Waukesha County, I can spell it however I see fit, whatsa matta? Can't find any other argument?

To deny that the Republican majority House has been introducing one piece of anti women's reproductive rights legislation after another and actually passing some, is just another symptom of blind follower.

I dunno Allie, the country is in a conservative mood. This not the time for pro-choice people to be pushing for even more choices. I think your side wasted a lot of energy on the partial birth thing that State Sen. Obama championed. That was politically stillborn.

Much like public sector unions wanting more in a time of austerity, such hard line moves are ill-timed.

To add to my previous comment: I have no problem with personal questions. As long as I have the option to not answer any that I find intrusive or irrelevant.

And I don't think doctors, or aides or nurses should be told by the gov't. what to ask patients. They're supposed to be professionals. They should know what to ask.

If a woman comes in with two black eyes, it shouldn't take a gov't. mandate to ask her if "she feels safe at home"- (BTW- why so coy? Why not just ask "are you being abused?"). If a teenager comes in for an abortion with a man who isn't her father, it shouldn't take a law to ask her if she is being forced to have an abortion. At one time common sense would prevail. Instead, the gov't. wants to treat us like we are all idiot children; and we will become them.

The schools should teach biology and, perhaps, risk management. The goal of education should be to enable individuals to think for themselves; and, hopefully, to perceive reality through an optimally objective lens; tempered only for the reasonable accommodation of individual dignity.

There seem to be three interests in teaching sexual education in school, and specifically grade school. One, it will justify increased pay for teachers, and subsequently increased dues to teacher unions. Two, because parents choose to further abdicate exercise of their dignity and the responsibility they voluntarily assumed following conception of a a new human life. Three, because teaching biology, and evolutionary principles, would not support any ulterior motives they may possess.

As for "germs", they are observable, with cause and effects circumstantially documented; but, as with AIDS, the cause may determined after a period of ignorance; as with stomach ulcers, after an extended period of ignorance; and as with cancer, perhaps not until we understand the process by which morphogenesis occurs.

As for "gravity", while there is a consensus on its effects, its cause ranges in the multiplicity. There is no public evidence to suggest that identification of its cause or causes is forthcoming. The mysterious "God" particle continues to elude our senses.

Anyway, as when our society previously determined it was a moral imperative to assign universal dignity to human life, it is now our contemporary society's burden to determine when dignity should be conferred upon a developing human life. Let's hope our resolution is better and realized sooner than that prevalent throughout human history.

"AllieOop said...Curious George, quit scrambling, you might pull a groin muscle or something. Republicans have lost big time by pushing this agenda. Do you think for one minute I care or respect what you have to say? You have proven yourself to be nothing more than a non thinking conservative, perhaps the thinking conservatives will rescue the Republican Party from sure defeat in November."

Me, scrambling? You made a claim, your single source of "proof" didn't even address it, you said "will post more later" which you haven't done. You since have changed your position from the "GOP controlled house" to "the states", and have failed to show any proof of that. You also changed "passed" to "introduced"...again, showing nothing. Seems the scrambling is yours.

"Since Walkershaw County is not the correct name for Waukesha County, I can spell it however I see fit, whatsa matta? Can't find any other argument?"

Sure you can, but if you want to make the case that Waukesha County is pro Walker, then you simply subsitute Wauke with Walker and get Walkersha. Adding the W makes no sense. On the other hand, it gives the reader a head ups on what a moron you are.

"To deny that the Republican majority House has been introducing one piece of anti women's reproductive rights legislation after another and actually passing some, is just another symptom of blind follower.

But by all means carry on."

Wow, coming from a moron like you, who thing she has the pulse of the populace because she has steaks with a few conservatives and lives in "Walkershaw" County, makes and repeats an argument that she can't support with a single fact..the old Allie would be proud!

But I haven't read anyone so far making the simple point that all this extra stuff costs money. Which will undoubtedly be shoved onto premiums. I have a friend from North Carolina who was "wanded" at $1000 a pop during her pregnancy. It just seems awfully strange to have a book-ended ideological argument that health care costs are too high - whilst simultaneously loading in extra medical procedures on top that do little medically and a lot to burden a bloated system

Boosting the cost of the procedure by mandating expensive and medically unnecessary add-on procedures is a blatant attempt to reduce incidence by increasing cost. Naturally the unnecessary added cost burden will fall most heavily on those least able to afford it.

Sure you can, but if you want to make the case that Waukesha County is pro Walker, then you simply subsitute Wauke with Walker and get Walkersha. Adding the W makes no sense. On the other hand, it gives the reader a head ups on what a moron you are.

So says the moron who uses the word "thing" as a verb, in a context roughly approximating the act of cogitation.

...coming from a moron like you, who thing she has the pulse of the populace...