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If you let one contract expire you get absolutely nothing out of it but if you get a bunch of contracts to expire at the same time then you get under the cap....I hope you realize that jus letting a contract expire for the knicks is useless unless they are going to wait it out which is impossible for any new yorker to do

I would rather see trades continue to happen nstead of just giving up and waiting for the team to just lose all contract....We arent atlanta or any other crappy team. We will continue to trade until all contracts expire together which is the smartest thing to do...If we can get rid of francis marbury and another crappy contract out together that cuts off almost half the cap

NYknicks15 you keep saying that we are going to get KG but I'll believe it when I see it. This season, like the seasons before added up to nothing. We have a spark in the rookies but they are being weighed down by the crappy players with big contracts. You said that the team is going to have a big summer, you have more hope than I do.
Whoever said that with this team the Knicks can't even win the NCAA tournement coming up next month is right.

If you let one contract expire you get absolutely nothing out of it but if you get a bunch of contracts to expire at the same time then you get under the cap....I hope you realize that jus letting a contract expire for the knicks is useless unless they are going to wait it out which is impossible for any new yorker to do

I would rather see trades continue to happen nstead of just giving up and waiting for the team to just lose all contract....We arent atlanta or any other crappy team. We will continue to trade until all contracts expire together which is the smartest thing to do...If we can get rid of francis marbury and another crappy contract out together that cuts off almost half the cap

That is such awful logic...so you're saying Isiah is trying to rack up awful contracts so that 3-4 yrs down the road they'll all expire? The dude could have had 2 big contracts expire at the same time this year, and instead he decided to trade them both off and add more money. Face it, this guy has no plan

NYKnicks15: You seem pretty confident about this trade being in the works for the offseason, and more power to you for that...you have more optimism about it than I do. I was wrong about the Rose thing, I'll give you that, but the point is that if the T'Wolves want to trade Garnett, they'll want young talent back...getting back Francis makes no sense for a team that's looking to rebuild...just because he's an all star doesn't mean anything...I mean the the Magic got rid of him for a reason and they're in the same rebuilding mode themselves. They felt he was a detriment to the development of some of their young guys (namely Howard). So I don't buy that at all.

As for KG sticking around when Cassell was traded off...where was he gonna go? He's locked under contract and just becuase a player demands to be traded doesn't mean they have to do so. And in an ideal world, both team and player would be that lovey-dovey, but KG is the same guy that came out and blasted McHale early on....it's a business and they don't HAVE to be loyal to him at all. If anything trading him to the Knicks would be nice for them only because they would have to see him only twice. No matter what KG or his friends want, ultimately the T'Wolves have to do what's best for their organization, and taking the Knicks garbage (as much as I'd love to see it) does not seem to fit that bill.

As for my Isiah hate as you mentioned...yeah I hate the guy cause he's being allowed to go out and make a mockery of the team I love. He's taken a bad situation and turned it into the biggest joke in all of sports...I mean we've literally turned into the Clippers....bad move after bad move. Just read the Sports Guy's column on espn.com and see all the emails about this deal....it's dispicable. I don't know how Dolan can be so moronic to allow this to go on. I mean Isiah must have one helluva compromising picture of the guy for him to be allowed to remain in this job. So yeah I hate the guy and I think I have valid reason to. What elite franchise allows someone this dumb to run their team??

Anyways...I guess time will only tell, but I'll believe it when I see it with KG. If it happens, I'll be the first to post on here that I was wrong and I'll give you mad props...but again....I'll believe it when I see it.

Re: Steve Francis!?!?!?

Originally Posted by mdelton

Isiah is really out to lunch on this one. He is a carbon copy of Marbury, very good player, but now what we need. Hey I have an idea, let's trade for Iverson as well.
The only thing that I can say is that as much as Isiah Thomas is an idiot, James Dolan is even further out there if he belives that Francis is the solution or that getting Francis is the bigger part of a master plan to get Garnet.
Jim and Isiah, I have only one thing to say; "The first step towards solving a problem is admitting you have it....."

What are you smokin dude? Francis is a carbon copy of Marbury?? Francis is way more explosive (dunks over people), he's a way better athlete, he's a way better shooter, he's clearly mentally & physically tougher, he's way better at creating his own shot, and most of all, he's alot better in the clutch. Also, I hope your not one of those fools who keeps crying about how big the Knicks payroll is! Who the hell cares! The money's not coming out of your paycheck! Forget about the cap! The trade was a frickn steel. Expiring contract & Ariza for 29 yr old 3 time all star stud. I watched Ariza play in high school & @ UCLA, his ball handling skills & shooting are no better than back then, he's lazy! His D is overated too. He can get a few steals that's it, everyone drives right around him, he can't cover s**t . One more thing, Isiah may be struggling but he knows more about basketball then all of us forum posters combined. I'm wondering if any of you complainers ever saw how incredibly sick Isiah was on the court! He's not stupid & he's not the problem, it's a few lazy players that don't listen to L.B.

Great, now we have to wait another 4 months to see what the Knicks are going to do in the offseason. It's going to be hard watching these games b/c any chemistry the Knicks develop here on out may be completely disrupted by this summer when Isaiah looks to make more moves.

The only thing that I'll be rooting for is for the Knicks try to win as many games as possible so that the pick we traded to Chicago doesn't actually turn out to be a HIGH lottery pick, let alone the fact that it is going to be a lottery pick. As it stands right now Chicago has a high likelihood of obtaining the #2 overall pick courtesy of our beloved Knicks.

To make matters worse, rumor has it that the Bulls will be going after KG in the offseason as well. Package a couple of their young players along with our #2 overall pick, and that might just be enough to convince Minny to do the trade with them instead of us. KG being from Chicago he may even accept the trade.

With our new found depth at PG and Atlanta's need for one, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Harrington rather than KG. Harrington is a FA this summer and will be seeking a max type contract. With their depth at SF Atlanta most likely will not match any max type offer he receives. Not wanting to lose him for nothing, they may look to do a sign and trade, making us a major player for him.

Obviously I'd rather have KG, but reality is Minny will do what's best for them. Getting both of them would be even better!!!

Re: Steve Francis!?!?!?

Originally Posted by New Beast in the East

Originally Posted by mdelton

Isiah is really out to lunch on this one. He is a carbon copy of Marbury, very good player, but now what we need. Hey I have an idea, let's trade for Iverson as well.
The only thing that I can say is that as much as Isiah Thomas is an idiot, James Dolan is even further out there if he belives that Francis is the solution or that getting Francis is the bigger part of a master plan to get Garnet.
Jim and Isiah, I have only one thing to say; "The first step towards solving a problem is admitting you have it....."

What are you smokin dude? Francis is a carbon copy of Marbury?? Francis is way more explosive (dunks over people), he's a way better athlete, he's a way better shooter, he's clearly mentally & physically tougher, he's way better at creating his own shot, and most of all, he's alot better in the clutch. Also, I hope your not one of those fools who keeps crying about how big the Knicks payroll is! Who the hell cares! The money's not coming out of your paycheck! Forget about the cap! The trade was a frickn steel. Expiring contract & Ariza for 29 yr old 3 time all star stud. I watched Ariza play in high school & @ UCLA, his ball handling skills & shooting are no better than back then, he's lazy! His D is overated too. He can get a few steals that's it, everyone drives right around him, he can't cover s**t . One more thing, Isiah may be struggling but he knows more about basketball then all of us forum posters combined. I'm wondering if any of you complainers ever saw how incredibly sick Isiah was on the court! He's not stupid & he's not the problem, it's a few lazy players that don't listen to L.B.

I think a more valid question is what on earth you're smoking yourself?? First of all, those of us "whining about the payroll" are doing so because we're so far over the cap that we'll never have any flexibility to sign FA's...instead we have to keep making moronic trades that are risky at best.

Second of all...Francis IS a carbon copy of Marbury...he's generally disliked by his teammates, he plays no ounce of defense, he doesn't get along with his coaches, he's small like Marbury, he's not proven that he can be a winner with any team...I mean it's like seeing twins. I'll give you that Francis is probably more explosive and is a better scorer, but he's better in the clutch? Please tell me what big games he's ever won that would lead anyone to think that.

As for Isiah....he was a HOF player....this is not even arguable, and only an idiot would argue that....but that's not the issue...in every facet of the game that he's been involved in OFF the court, he belongs in the Hall of Shame...he's an outright failure at everything. I'm sure Isiah knows more about playing bball than any of us, but as far as running a team, and putting together a roster....he's the biggest moron there is.

This first half of the first quarter alone is some of the most pathetic basketball I've ever seen. They look like a high school team playing against the Nets right now. And anyone wanting to sing the virtues of Francis...take a look at that pathetic defense

The scary thing is....WHAT IF IT WORKS? The season is over anyway, we will be in the same situation next year we were this year as far as expring contracts and draft picks ( JRose and M Tayor will be in their final years) and we already have a new nucleus in Frye and Curry to build around. With a set rotation, a full summer and more offensive talent, we could be looking at something good, IF Francis and Marbury work out. I tend to agree with Bill Walton, that LB has failed to maximize th talent he has, and that the Knicks have enough talent to be one of the better teams in the East. We now have size, athleticism, and shooting. Let's see if Francis and Marbs work things out, maybe LB will opt for a more uptempo style. Franchise will keep mteams from doubling Marbury and Curry, creating more shots for Frye. If the team does not stage a mutiny against Brown and gets any kind of chmistry, then watch out. If not, it will be a huge mess.

Before we start calling Isiah stupid, let's get some facts straight. MOST of the ESPN radio guys, Dan Patrick, Colin Cowheard, etc, etc, as well as the guys who write all the articles in the post and the Daily news DO NOT WATCH the Knicks on a nightly basis. They read the boxscores, monitor the cap situation and surf the internet to form their opinions. Most of the articles are written b4 the games are even over! Anyone who watches the games will tell you that this team looks like it is Undisciplined and Poorly Coached. If you did not know that LB was the coach and Thomas was the GM and you watched any Knick game, you would be screaming "Who the hell is coaching this team, he should be fired!"
Point Two- I did not agree with half of Thomas's trades, but the last two were initiated by LARRY BROWN! Before the season started, MOST NBA analysts said that the Knicks would be a better team based on talent alone. The GM's job is to assemble TALENT. Winning games, Chemistry, that's on the coach! I love LB, I think he needs another year to learn his players, but remember-before LB was hired, Thomas was building a Running team. Surf the net, get all the articles about what Isiah was trying to do this past summer before Brown was available, the team was built to run and gun. That's why Kurt was traded for Q-Rich, that's why we drafted Robinson and Lee. If Flip Saunders coached this team, we would be in the playoffs this year! Not because he's a better coach, but he knows how to score! I give Half of the blame for this season to LB, but I think he needs another season. Don't believe the hype!

In the end the power rests in Isiah's hands. He's the one who has to execute the trade, and LB can only give him his opinion....I'm sure LB said Francis was a player he wouldn't mind having, but I doubt he meant having him and Marbury in the same back court. If you look at the type of teams Larry has had in his coaching career, he's never liked backcourts like this. Isiah is the one that has to use common sense, which he clearly lacks.

Does LB deserve blame? Yeah he does, but this team still has no direction or a clue in terms of a plan, and that is Isiah's fault