I wouldnt tell people to stay at home though because I like seeing a full stadium on TV.

Off Topic …This article is doing a good job selling the NFL game but college football is killing it right now…Ohio state V Michigan state, Ohio State V Clemson, Alabama Oklahoma, Auburn V FSU…Stanford V Michigan State, Johnny Manziel… LSU, and on and on College football was JUMPING this year. JUMPING! Truth be told, If I had to spend money on a football game…

]]>By: nolifeeastof5http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3068436
Tue, 07 Jan 2014 08:40:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3068436Couple buddies and I went to Niners VS Texans earlier this year. We bought our tickets in the off season so they were only $80 each. We bought a couple deli sandwiches before the game and brought them in. Took the bus, $2 each way. It was a glorious sunny day and my Niners beat the poor Texans silly. The whole stadium was rocking, everyone in our section was laughing, cheering, and high fiving. On the bus ride home the whole packed bus sang Happy Birthday to a 12-year old kid who had just went to his first NFL game with his dad. After that 3 “unruly drunks” led the whole bus through a sing along of every damn verse of “American Pie”. It was by far my favorite day of 2013. I can only imagine how amazing it would of been to be at that Colts game as an Indianapolis fan. The NFL stadium experience is far from perfect (especially at the Stick RIP), but these experiences are the things that bind you to a community and stay with you forever.
]]>By: gvrose8192http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3068426
Tue, 07 Jan 2014 08:03:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3068426gohawks7 says:
Jan 6, 2014 7:29 PM
Excluding the defenseless Packers….SF is 1-4 vs playoff teams this year. They have a hard time vs good teams because those are the teams that are able to stop Kaepernick (same holds true for last year).

Brilliant! Excluding things you don’t wish to count is a wonderful way to count.

How about this? Arizona punked the Sea Chickens on their own field and then SF beat punked Arizona on their own field. Sea Chickens backed into the playoffs losing 2 of their last 4. (But hey, if you don’t count those two losses then they won their last two games, right? LOL.)

Niners are 7 – 0 since mid November and beat Seattle, a very good Arizona team that beat the Sea Chickens at home and the Packers with Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau. During that same stretch Seattle was 4 – 2 and backed into the playoffs – forced to win their final game to keep from losing the division to the Niners again. After holding a 3 game lead earlier in the season.

Look, Seattle’s a very good team. Now that I’ve had my fun with your counting method I’ll admit that. The Niners are pretty good too. We’ll see who wins out. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Panthers beat the Niners this weekend because it’s an east coast game and the Niners will be tired. But ya never know…

Every QB has bad games. Look at Cam or Kaep’s 10 best games of the year, and they both have stats and performances far above average.

Comparing either to Vick, well, Vick was simply not a good decision maker. If you look at the skills of these two, they both have HUGE arms, can connect on a ball thrown 50 yards in the air accurately, and when given time, are amazing QB’s. Not so say other styles won’t continue to have success, but any QB that can stay on their feet, at 6’5″+, and can throw accurately, has a future in the NFL. If they can scramble, all the better.

As for Kaep – he did beat some very good defenses, including the best in the NFL, the Seahawks.

A 60″ view from 10 different camera angles
Instant replay
Injury information
Statistical information
Better viewing of penalties (and non penalties)
Beer…food…beer…food…bathroom..with no lines.
I can watch the game before it, or after it.

vs

Paying around $300 for 2 tickets.
Fighting traffic to the game
Fighting the crowds and security to get into the game.
Fighting traffic from the game.
Having no idea about injuries.
A vague idea of statistics.
Drunk or idiotic fans who spend more time squeezing up and down the row than they do in their seat.

It is not a matter of money…current technology makes the TV experience so much better than just 10 years ago.

]]>By: gohawks7http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3067680
Tue, 07 Jan 2014 00:29:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3067680Excluding the defenseless Packers….SF is 1-4 vs playoff teams this year. They have a hard time vs good teams because those are the teams that are able to stop Kaepernick (same holds true for last year).

He is not a pocket passer. He stares down his first read…and if he isn’t open then he panics and runs. Teams with decent defenses are able to contain him and force him to thow…usually unsuccessfully.

They have a great defense….but their offense will falter vs a decent defense. The last 2 years are proof of that.

]]>By: sactogaryhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3067312
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:49:53 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3067312Yep, Kaepernick won by channeling his inner Tebow. Throw for about 50%, but come through when the game is on the line, running when you must.
]]>By: mutantman87http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066716
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:17:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066716QBR is an ESPN created stat. Forgive me for assuming it’s extremely flawed and has tons of biases.

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QBR is simply a ratio of the expected points added by a QB to the offense over the number of action plays in which he participates (i.e, non-handoffs). It is basically their offensive value (sum total of passing, running, sacks, turnovers, and penalties committed or drawn) to a team on a per play basis.

If you want to know how a certain method is biased, simply research it and find out, rather than dismissing it as “biased”, because every statistic is “biased” based on measures that are more heavily weighted. For example, the old QB rating system is heavily biased toward completion percentage and the top score is somehow 158.3 (?!). Despite that, Kaepernick is still around 92, good for 10th in the NFL. If you were to look at the weekly QBR figures, almost all of the top-10 marks are posted by the QB of the winning team. Of the top 15 QBR numbers for the season, only McCown/Cutler, Matt Ryan, and Tony Romo failed to make the playoffs.

]]>By: itscomptonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066556
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:43:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066556Not saying that Andrew Luck isn’t a great QB but to say he’ll “probably win multiple Super Bowl rings” seems a bit much. Payton Manning is one of the best QB’s ever and he has one ring. Dan Marino was amazing and he got zero rings. Even great QB’s need a really strong supporting cast to win it all. So no matter who you are the odds are against anyone winning multiple Super Bowls in their career since it depends on so many other factors besides the QB play.
]]>By: chargerdillonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066528
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:32:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066528It’s amazing how many pathetic Philly fans there are talking so much crap about Andy Reid.

Wake up Philly! He was the best coach you ever had, he even got you to a Superbowl when for the short time in his career he had a decent pocket passer in McNabb. If anything his downfall in Philly is directly tied to Michael Vick and the failure that he is.

Vick is the reason that team fell apart, and Vick is the reason the Eagles went on a winning streak this year when Kelly recognized playing Vick was a one way ticket to failure.

The Chiefs had a great year on a fluff schedule. Reid is a good coach, END OF STORY. You lose your primary weapon in the first half and tell me how effective your team is.

Guess what Philly fans, ONE AND DONE, and it isn’t Andy’s fault. So please, SHUT UP.

]]>By: granadafanhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066515
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:29:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066515The NFL can’t have it both ways. They demand and receive multi billions in TV revenue. They’ve been very proactive in providing great camera work, broadcast teams, cool graphics, etc. They can’t promote TV and then throw tantrums (blackouts) when people stay home to watch games on TV. Sure, the game experience is better. However, the market has spoken. The demand is maxed out. LOWER THE PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
]]>By: blu4l1fehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066472
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:14:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066472I’ll be the first to admit, I totally did not see the results from wildcard weekend. I was the one talking about home field advantage and dome teams underperforming. While not a fan of any teams currently in the playoffs, the wins by NO, SD and SF were pleasant surprises.

Now with regards to the article, I would have to disagree. There are quite a few reasons why fans flock and attend football games. And I have to say, I have been to a Giants game, and there’s really something about being there versus watching it at home, even in HDTV. Now, being from a warm weather country, I would not necessarily attend a game where the forecast is freezing to wind chills of negative temps. That is just not my preference.

]]>By: acmepackerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066395
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:52:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066395Mutantman brags that Kap threw for 50 yds more than Rodgers. That wasn’t entirely Kap. When you’re given the time that the 49er offensive line gives Kap, your receivers are going to eventually get open and you’ll find a target. If Rodgers would get as much time in the pocket as Kap, he’ make Kap look like a total rookie. Most of the time Rodgers has to thread the needle to complete a pass. Good QBs do that.
]]>By: scmems07http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066377
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:42:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066377bullcharger says:

Andrew Luck vs. Tom Brady: Luck threw for 443 yards and four touchdowns as he got the first postseason win of his career on Saturday, and now he’ll travel to New England and face Brady, who has 17 career postseason wins. If the Colts can pull the upset, this could be a changing of the guard: The quarterback who has three Super Bowl rings giving way to a much younger quarterback who’s probably going to win multiple Super Bowl rings before his career is over.

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Luck also had 3 ints and almost blew the game.

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almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades….give it up, he made bad plays, how many qb’s can you name that can come back from that mentally and lead his team back from 28 down in a half? not many.

]]>By: bullchargerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066311
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:20:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066311Andrew Luck vs. Tom Brady: Luck threw for 443 yards and four touchdowns as he got the first postseason win of his career on Saturday, and now he’ll travel to New England and face Brady, who has 17 career postseason wins. If the Colts can pull the upset, this could be a changing of the guard: The quarterback who has three Super Bowl rings giving way to a much younger quarterback who’s probably going to win multiple Super Bowl rings before his career is over.

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Luck also had 3 ints and almost blew the game.

]]>By: jburk003http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066279
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:07:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066279As a 49er fan, I am VERY much more confident that we will beat the Panthers. I feel better about the 49ers beating Carolina than I did about the game against Green Bay!!!!

My reasoning——————-

Cam is not HALF the QB as Aaron Rodgers is, AND the Packers receiving core is WAY more talented than Carolina’s
The trend in playoffs right now is that the better QB will prevail.

Cam Newton is less proven then Aaron Rodgers, and will make more mistakes against a TOUGH 49er D, especially considering their WRs.

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For you bone-heads bringing up the last 10-9 loss to the Panthers, let me JUST SAY…..

Aldon Smith played less than 15 snaps,
Vernon left the game early,
and a healthy stud in Micheal Crabtee.

The 49ers will have 3 ALL PRO first round picks for this game, that did not play in the first outcome. NUFF SAID.

]]>By: tsmercuriohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066257
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:59:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066257I love how everyone loves to bash on Andy Dalton. While he does deserve it, why does no one blame Marvin Lewis? The Play call is just as bad. Like throwing a 50 yard pass on 4th and 2? Or how about throwing from the goal line? Marvin Lewis is not the reason why the Bengals have a good defense. That belongs to Mike Zimmer. Also Marvin has had a better QB in Carson Palmer when he was good, and did nothing with him. Oh and by the way, the Bengals had a bad defense when Palmer was good just solidifying the fact that Zimmer is the reason why the defense is good.

Kaep and Newton are both sub 60% (aka the accepted NFL minimum for good QB) passers. If they had 4.8 speed they’d be backups right now and in the future. But being really fast means you can be really mediocre at throwing and still be considered “great”.
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One important stat you’re forgetting about QB passing is yards per attempt, which is a sign of efficiency, because every ball you throw could have been a different or more productive play.

Kaepernick has a career ypa of 7.9 and Newton 7.7. These guys attempt a lot of passes down the field (although Newton has done it less this season since Shula has decided to go screen-crazy). Also, advanced stats like total QBR shows that Kaepernick is a top-10 QB. A career regular season QBR of 70 and a career postseason QBR of 88 (!). Remember, total QBR is out of 100 and 50 is average. Oh, and for being a “limited” passer, he passed for 50 more yards than Rodgers did on his home field.

]]>By: scmems07http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066154
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:29:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066154fballguy says:
“Great time for great QBs? The rules have made it so QBs and receivers are essentially playing catch against air.

It’s a great time to be a QB…whether you’re a great one or not”

exactly, this is a passing league, and people are going to say that newton, kap and wilson are “great” qb’s….when you play all 16 games and barely scratch 3k yards passing and 20 td’s then you are nothing more than a game manager, a qb who rely’s on the defense to keep the score down and the run game to kill the clock, which is the m.o for all three of those qb’s teams. why is it that alex smith puts up those type of numbers and he is a game manager yet when those qb’s put up those numbers or worse they are “great” and lead thier team to the playoffs. it’s all about perception, or to be honest, pigmentation.

]]>By: shaunypoohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066089
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:04:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066089I find it disingenuous that after a week of harping on Indy, Cincinnati, and Green Bay fans about not selling out in a timely manner that you turn around with the whole “TV is better than being there” argument. Where was that when teams were being berated for not selling out? Did it not fit the narrative at the time?

Bengals season ticket holders needed to buy post season ticket packages for the 3 non-super bowl games even though only one game would be at home. None of that money would have been refunded, it would have went towards next season. Even with that steep financial penalty, the stadium sold out eventually. But the fans are somehow bad fans because we chose to prioritize something else over football, especially right after the holiday season.

But if you’re gonna run someone out of town, you’d think it would be Marvin Lewis. 11 years with nothing meaningful to show for it.

Dalton is still only in his 3rd year – not a rookie anymore but not quick enough to pull the plug on either. Both Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Eli Manning had trouble in their first bouts with the postseason. Give him a few more tries.

]]>By: fballguyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066081
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:00:53 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066081Great time for great QBs? The rules have made it so QBs and receivers are essentially playing catch against air.

Starting over with new personnel in Cincy could easily lead to another decade of nobody noticing when you lose.

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The flaw with your logic is that Dalton’s egg was not the first one he had ever laid. It was the third playoff egg for him, and the only reason the Bengals were even in the game until the 4th quarter was because of their defense. Dalton has a quality running back in Giovani Bernard, an elite wide receiver in AJ Green, and two good tight ends in Eifert and Gresham. The pieces are all there for the team to make a playoff run, but they are held back because of Dalton.

That said, being at the game in Philly was awesome, cold but not frigid. Crowd stood and cheered the entire game except when New Orleans players faked injuries and then trotted off the field. The one cornerback being the exception that was actually hurt.

I can see the rationale for sitting all warm and cozy, but you will never get the feeling of actually being there.

]]>By: niner13http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3066025
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:42:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3066025You are not a football fan if you prefer the comfort of home to the raucous roar of the crowd. Going to get another beer from the fridge doesn’t compare with trying to pee during a timeout…and get back in time before play resumes.
]]>By: cowpiesnotcowboyshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3065999
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:31:23 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3065999The Cowboys agree that the playoffs are best experienced from home rather than attending in person at a stadium.
]]>By: bobby927http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/06/nfl-morning-after-a-great-time-for-great-quarterbacks/#comment-3065993
Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:29:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2235757#comment-3065993Dalton should be re-named Andy Oneandone!
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