So if two natural human persons operate in concert (by forming a corporation) they should lose their protections under the constitution?

Each person has the right of free speech, but combined they lose their right of free speech? So a newspaper (presumed to be owned by a corporation) is not protected by the first amendment?

Now I might agree that an organization which extracts payment from a more or less captive segment of the population (read Labor Union) does not enjoy the same right of free speech as say the owners of the corporation and by extension the corporation itself.

Sounds to me like a bunch of whiny engineers have homed in on this thread. But then it takes one to know one. BSEE here and I even worked a repair bench at HP one summer (the 200 CD, what memories).

Anyway techies never understand the sales guys. Of course there not as smart as us. But that’s why they are willing to keep getting no for an answer until they get a yes. And then we all get to keep our jobs.

I used to think like you all until I went to work for a former IBM salesman, an entrepreneurial CEO that can build a company or a product out of a conversation with a stranger on an airplane. I once did a proforma on a project I was given and it showed that it didn’t pencil and we shut it down. That year, in my review, his only criticism was for me pushing that decision. He would have rather tried it and failed (or make a mid course correction) than kill it based upon an engineering like analysis.

A graph shows a water customer in Carlsbad’s water consumption rate during a 24-hour period. This new data was made possible by a pilot program using an electronic radio transmitter, the device on the desk at right, attached to a water meter, left. (Photo by Bill Wechter - Staff Photographer)

Not ever mentioned are the unintended consequences of massive use of wind or solar energy. For the sake of argument assume that wind energy could supplant all of the fossil fuel energy for the purpose of generating electricity.

since the required energy would be extracted come from the force of the wind, there would be less wind energy remaining after passing the wind farm.

Therefore we could expect a drastic change in local weather due to the reduced wind energy downstream of the farms. The results could be devastating and quite possibly a greater threat to mankind that that imagined for global warming due to co2 emissions.

Not ever mentioned are the unintended consequences of massive use of wind or solar energy. For the sake of argument assume that wind energy could supplant all of the fossil fuel energy for the purpose of generating electricity.

Since the required energy would be extracted from the force of the wind, there would be less wind energy remaining after passing the wind farm.

Therefore we could expect a drastic change in local weather due to the reduced wind energy downstream of the farms. The results could be devastating and quite possibly a greater threat to mankind that that imagined for global warming due to co2 emissions.

Lets say the 135 kW motor can run the car 250 miles in 5 hours. that's 635 kWh. My recent electric bill was for 689 kWh at $66.89. Close enough. That's 27 cents per mile. Now add in the non recurring charges on my bill and its north of 30 cents.

Then there is the fact that no electric generator is 100% efficient, and then no charger is 100% efficient and we're probably at 35 to 40 cents per mile.

Probably more that Arnold's hummer!

Oh, and unless you build nuclear plants, you need fossil fuel to generate all of that electricity.

Looks like those investors were looking for a politically correct write-off.

One aspect of the illegal immigration issue that is being ignored is the children born to the illegals. I'm not talking about the fact that they are automatically citizens but the effect that there presence here in the country wil have 10 to 20 years from now.

Stay with me for a minute.

Assuming that their parents are doing 'jobs that Americans won't do' and assuming that those jobs aren't expanding exponentially (without cannibalizing jobs Americans really would do) then in 10-20 years when these children go looking for jobs their parents will already have them. they will then be relegated to an unemployable underclass and we can expect the unrest and riots that the French and others have seen from the second generation of their emigrants.

If we need guest workers then limit it to that. Employers pay for transportation, housing and health care for the worker only. No need for education, pre/post natal care, or Medicaid. then when the requirement ends, the employer pays their freight back home.

Better still. Encourage the Mexican government to become the job placement bureau and they can skim some of the wages from each work to add to the rest of there corrupt largesse! Appeal to the inherent corruption in Mexico and we just might be able to sell this.

Why should we wait and let the politicians sell out this country to the illegal immigrants and labor unions. We (the Baby Boomers) have the financial wherewithal and soon, the time to make any issue our own.

I say find the politicians that dance to our tune and we can go back to our glory days of muscle cars, woodstock, free-love (ugh, may have to temper that a bit), you name it.

This country is being sold down the river, I think we should go out in glory. If we play our cards right we can amass enough wealth to let our kids carry on. Let all those new arivals do the jobs American's won't do.

According to George Will, in the last 50 years student population has grown by 50%. In the same time the number of teachers has tripled! Yet the competency of education has declined. The NEA and local teachers unions are parasites living off the public education system and are destroying it. They must be stopped.

Is there any group or organization that is collecting money and running ads to counter the hogwsh that Barbara Kerr and her union cronies blather over the airwaves every day?

This worked for me. Create a batch file. (Use note pad, type in this stuff then save as a file called something like printer.bat) Save it on your desktop and then double click on it. Here is the command: net use lpt1: \\XXX\YYY <> rem: run this batch file, then use add - printer wizard and browse for the printer on computer number 2

Think of it as an object lesson. The GOP has artfully avoided the issue of illegal immigration. (We know where the Dems stand on it - they favor it). This tactic, if successful will send a wake up call to Republicans all across the country.

And to your question - it quite possibly drives the point home harder if the beneficiary of the political human sacrifice is antithetical to GOP philosophy.

I miss your point. Are you glad Florio was ousted but are mad that it took high profile radio personalities to get it done?

As for ratings. If a politican did a lot of things that you liked you would vote for him right? and if a lot of people did the same he would have high 'ratings'. NO different for show hosts. J&K have one of the top rated shows in the country, mostly because they get things done.

They ask the hard questions and press for answers. Traits that FR seems to admire.

John and Ken might be a little over the top but they aren't liberals and they don't 'hate' bush. They do hate the fact that bush (or any one else for that matter) hasn't taken the border issue and illegal immigration seriously on a national level.

They are just crazy enough the build momentum on the subject. The very likely will orchestrate the defeat of a 'safe' republican because of his poor record on (curbing) illegal immigration.

Don't know about you, but I don't think any of the GOP party planks are tenable if millions of immigrants swarm across our border and torpedo our economy and or infrastructure.

They claim to have the confidential documents to back up their claims on this subject. I'd like to see FR throw their support behind these guys and not dismiss them out of hand.

John and Ken might be a little over the top but they aren't liberals and they don't 'hate' bush. They do hate the fact that bush (or any one else for that matter) has taken the border issue and illegal immigration seriously on a national level.

They are just crazy enough the build momentum on the subject. The very likely will orchestrate the defeat of a 'safe' republican because of his poor record on (curbing) illegal immigration.

Don't know about you, but I don't think any of the GOP party planks are tenable if millions of immigrants swarm across our border and torpedo our economy and or infrastructure.

They claim to have the confidential documents to back up their claims on this subject. I'd like to see FR throw their support behind these guys and not dismiss them out of hand.

I think the Gov should veto ALL of these last minute bills and require the legislature to reconsider them. they can resubmit the reasonable ones one at a time where they can get the visibility they deserve. and they can try to override the worst ones.