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Skunk Works Digest Friday, 1 September 1995 Volume 05 : Number 406
In this issue:
Eject! Eject! Eject!
F-16XL
F-14 Tomcat
Re: Eject! Eject! Eject!
Re: Request for SR-71/Paul Crickmore Info
Re: F-14 Tomcat
Re: F-14 Tomcat
[none]
Re: Blackbird on TV
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From: Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:15:51 PDT
Subject: Eject! Eject! Eject!
Spent a little time surfing, let Lycos find "starfighter" for me.
Since its new to me I pass this along to anyone else who wants it.
Try
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PhotoServer/F-104/index.html
My FAVORITE pic of all time is at
http://wwwtera.iss.infn.it/st/aircraft.html
Its a Mig 29 in flames. Makes a great Windows background!
How about we compile a list of our favorite skunky web sites! Just add yours and
repost.
Chuck Smith
"Aerospace Engineer to the Stars"
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From: erebenti@MIT.EDU (Eric S. Rebentisch)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 16:17:16 EDT
Subject: F-16XL
Another reason for the cancellation of any additional development work
on the F-16XL (which appeared to have exceptional performance) was that
it was competing against the F-15E for the strike mission. The Air
Force planned to pull about 400 airframes out of C/D version production
to fill that roll. The F-15E had the advantage of requiring only minor
modifications and equipment upgrades, while the F-16E required a new
wing and engine (along with the equipment upgrades). The F-15E also had
about twice the bombload of the F-16E. There may also have been some
contribution from the fact that the F-15 at the time was getting to be
expensive to produce, and any increase in production rate would bring
the cost down, while the F-16 was already relatively inexpensive in
comparison.
Eric
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From: Wei-Jen Su
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: F-14 Tomcat
Sorry if this is not very skunky... but anyone knows the number
and the countries that the Grumman F-14 Tomcat was exported?
I had source of high range military from Venezuela who told me
that they got "a couple of F-14". I don't know if this is true. Also, I
have a friend down there that he told me that saw a AWACS, probably the
E-2. This may be a AWACS that belongs to U.S.Navy that was doing
exercicies with Venezuela Air Force.
Live Long and Prosper
Su Wei-Jen
wsu02@barney.poly.edu
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From: Mary Shafer
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 16:51:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Eject! Eject! Eject!
Try http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/ and work your way from there. Current
projects include the SR-71 and the photo archives are really good.
F-4 Phantom phanatics will enjoy the page in my .sig. Enjoy it now--it's
about to turn in to an F-18 or F-16 VISTA, as soon as I get my flights in
September. (Someone commented that NASA sure got a lot of DOD
castoffs--so we do, and we have a wonderful time with them. The F-18s are
a great example of this.)
Regards,
Mary
Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard
Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end....
On Thu, 31 Aug 1995 Charles_E._Smith.wbst200@xerox.com wrote:
> Spent a little time surfing, let Lycos find "starfighter" for me.
> Since its new to me I pass this along to anyone else who wants it.
> Try
> http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/PhotoServer/F-104/index.html
>
> My FAVORITE pic of all time is at
> http://wwwtera.iss.infn.it/st/aircraft.html
> Its a Mig 29 in flames. Makes a great Windows background!
>
> How about we compile a list of our favorite skunky web sites! Just add yours and
> repost.
>
> Chuck Smith
> "Aerospace Engineer to the Stars"
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From: Wade Lengele
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:31:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Request for SR-71/Paul Crickmore Info
Home page
http://www.primenet.com/~wade/planes.html
On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, William F. Wurzbach wrote:
> I'm interested in determining the titles of these two previous
> publications, but can't seem to locate them in the current "Books in Print"
> at the library -- just a reference to the 'Secret Missions' one. I belive
> one might be called "Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird" (1986), but can't be sure.
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird, Paul F Crickmore
ISBN 084045-653-3 Dist. Motorbooks Int. Osceola, Wisconsin 54020
Hope this helps..
Wade
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From: megazone@world.std.com (MegaZone)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: F-14 Tomcat
Once upon a time Wei-Jen Su shaped the electrons to say...
> Sorry if this is not very skunky... but anyone knows the number
>and the countries that the Grumman F-14 Tomcat was exported?
Only two contries have ever had the F-14 - the US and Iran. We sent a
couple of F-14As to the Shaw when he was there. The Tomact + Phoenix
discouraged the overflights of MiG-25 recon aircraft that were doing
overflights at the time. I don't recall the total number, but it was very
low.
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From: "Robin J. Lee"
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: F-14 Tomcat
On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Wei-Jen Su wrote:
> Sorry if this is not very skunky... but anyone knows the number
> and the countries that the Grumman F-14 Tomcat was exported?
> I had source of high range military from Venezuela who told me
> that they got "a couple of F-14". I don't know if this is true. Also, I
> have a friend down there that he told me that saw a AWACS, probably the
> E-2. This may be a AWACS that belongs to U.S.Navy that was doing
> exercicies with Venezuela Air Force.
The only foreign operator of the F-14 is Iran. Three production blocks
of Block 90 F-14As were purchased by the Shah in 1974 and 1975,
with two orders consisting of 40 aircraft each. Production details are as
follows:
BuNos. Total #
F-14A-GR-05 160299-160328 30
F-14A-GR-10 160329-160360 32
F-14A-GR-15 160361-160378 18
--
80
First deliveries were on 27 Jan 76; deployment was in four squadrons of
the Imperial Iranian Air Force. A total of 79 of 80 aircraft was
eventually delivered, but the Iranian revolution that overthrew the Shah
intervened. Aircraft #80 was impounded by the United States government
and was seen operating at PMTC Point Mugu. I've heard a report that this
particular F-14A, being a fairly early model, is now at Davis-Monthan AFB
in mothballs.
Venezuela does not operate F-14s of any sort, although it does have a
healthy contingent of 24 F-16As and 6 F-16Bs, all purchased in 1982.
It does not operate any variant of the Grumman E-2, either, nor does it
operate E-3s.
Hope this helps a bit.
____________________________________________________________________________
Robin J. Lee amraam@netcom.com
Vulture's Row Worldwide Web Page URL: http://webcom.com/~amraam/
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From: Kuang-Chung Chao
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:08:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [none]
From: Kathryn & Andreas Gehrs-Pahl
Just some minor correction and somewhat off Skunk Works topic.
>Northrop (through McDonald Douglas) had some success by winning a contract
>from South Korea for 120 F/A-18s, but this contract finally was canceled,
>and given instead to the cheaper F-16C/D, while Taiwan produced its AIDC
>Ching-Kuo IDF (Indigenous Defense Fighter) with help from Northrop, General
>Electric, and others.
The three major consultant contracts were awarded to GD, Garret and
Westinghouse for aircraft system, engine and avionics respectly. Now GD
is Lockheed Martin Fort Worth Div.. Garret is Allied Singal Aircraft
Engine and Westinghouse just bought CBS. ;) An earlier jet trainer
design was bought by AIDC from Northrop, maybe that's where the confusion
came from.
my 2 cents.
kc
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kuang-Chung "K.C." Chao Tel: +1 (716) 691-5524
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Eng. kchao@acsu.buffalo.edu
State Univ. of NY at Buffalo http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~kchao
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From: dadams@netcom.com (Dean Adams)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Blackbird on TV
> > Sunday, the Discovery channel will air a documentary on the SR-71. It
> > is at 10:00 Mountain, 9:00 Pacific (Eastern and Central unknown,
> > but probably 10:00 EDT, 9:00 CDT.)
> > Check local listings for details.
>
> The program is called "SR-71 Blackbird-The Secret Vigil". It airs as part
> of the "Discovery Sunday" series. Sunday, Sept.3 at 9 ET and PT, 8 CT, 10 MT.
It was produced in 1989, but is still well worth watching,
especially if you haven't seen it before (or lately).
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