1) That there has been a historical conflict between science and religion.
2) That Christians (or Moslems) burnt down the Great Library of Alexandria.
3) That the Church taught that the earth was flat.
4) That Hitler was a Christian.
5) That the inquisition was unusually brutal for its time.
6) That the victims of witch hunts/crusades ran into millions.
7) That Christianity was responsible for the Dark Ages.
8) That Eusebius was a liar.
9) That Christians have always taken the Bible literally.
10) That conversions to Christianity tended to be forced.

Now being a Christian, we also need to view the powers of darkness that is subtly hidden behind these sorts of games.

There is magic in this game: from auras to ranged damaging ice novas, resurrection spells, etc, which isn’t of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now, we all know the “wiles of the enemy” and the “snares of the fowler”, and such game are set up by Satan to trap the gullible and immature Christians, and even if some say that it’s part and parcel of the game and that it’s harmless, then they will never know the truth that will set them free (John 8:32). Of course these things appear to be harmless in the eyes of those who are already seduced and deceived by the powers of darkness.

Christians who participate in this game need to be aware of the spiritual consequences.

I must have missed that example Ed and I'm sorry, but I did say this earlier and I'll repeat it here. Scientists in a lab have effectively slowed down and even stopped light. With that being said, there is no way to accurately assume the speed of light is a constant around the universe. Light could be slowing down or speeding up, or for all we know even stopped in the universe. It's fact that speed of light can be manipulated, so to assume it stays constant is only an assumption at best.

[This was posted in response to a news article about Obama's convention speech]

The Great One has spoken from his grand and glorious house of worship "The Temple of Obama". He speaks how he will fix things, while behind the scenes his henchmen strong arm other politicians into saying how much they love him. And his Jezebel Pelosi speaks of when she personally knows when life begins, her word weighing more than the Bible. All of this going on in the Temple of Obama with the white horse mounted on top of this temple, the first of the four horsemen.

Our religion is true, and has provided a smorgasbord of technology for our society. Islam is a religion of violence and fornication, as they have produced nothing of any value while waiting for their imaginary 72 virgins.

Barack Obama has already stated he will make his own citizen police, special people (only black) drawn from his most loyal followers to act as secret police and kill and intimidate anyone who does not bow down to emperor Barck Hussein

America is a Christian Nation. With the exception of some prankster (probably Jefferson, or maybe the Frenchified pervert Benjamin Franklin) having fun with the Treaty of Tripoli, all founding documents support the notion that America is a Christian Nation.

This is the problem with your logic. I have presented evidence to the contrary yet your mind is still set.

1. No dating method has ever worked. Carbon dating, potassium dating, geologic columns, have all been proven wrong. They do not work on things that have a known age, yet scientist claim (with no actual evidence or way to back it up) that the dating methods DO work on things that have unknown ages. If you believe that, fine. But it's faith, not science. If something is proven to be wrong, you can't say it's right.

2. There is nothing without life that can produce life. Feel free to prove me wrong, but you cannot. We have never seen a rock turn into a dog. This is what evolution and big bang theory clearly rely on but that cannot be done.

3. No form of evolution has EVER been observed except for micro-evolution which is the variation within a kind, which as I've said before, is also stated in the Bible. Scientists have only observed that and that has been known since the Bible was written. Scientists try to lump all other forms of evolution in with micro evolution, but it doesn't work that way. If you want there to be macro-evolution, you need to prove it. So far there has been no proof. If you read through this thread carefully, people have brought up all the major "proofs" that scientists have told them, and I've explained how the evidence is incorrect and is all a product of micro-evolution, nothing else.

Those are the 3 biggest debunks of evolution that I've seen although there are many many more problems and flaws in it. If you want to believe it, go right for it, but you cannot call it fact or common knowledge. It doesn't work that way, if it isn't proven right, and all the testing methods are being proven wrong, then at best it's faith.

Seekmosttoprophesy:
There are over 260 of the same accounts of the same flood event. It is an "old book" but it is a good old book meaning that the dating is very dependable compared to radiometric guessing. Every single time period is very well known and understood.

mhale71
Do you think bloodletting, carrier pigions, horse charriots are better then modern medicine, email, and cars as well?

Seekmosttoprophesy
You must not have ever read the Bible because the Bible speaks of much greater things than email.

Consists of several micro "peices" so to speak of, Each of these peices is an "irreducable complex" If evolution using the laws of natural selection were true, each one of these 40 some odd peices would have to be made slightly over time however if not all 40 of them were made at exactly the same time they would serve NO benefit to the organism and thus eliminated via natural selection.

How about the lack of any transitional form ever found in any fossil records. Darwin said it himself there must have been countless fossils of transitional forms or else my theory would be false.

How about the cambrian explosion?

How about the evidence against such "extincit" organisms like the Archaeptery, the Coelacanth and the Hyrax???

I heard a very complicated explanation so I hope I don't biff on this, I'm pretty sure I understood it though. Basically, preflood there was water inside and above the earth. It mentions that several times in the bible. When God started the flood, He rushed water out from inside the earth. That would have made cracks and separation in the earth's crust. These "tectonic plates" may still be moving because they haven't stopped moving from the flood.

Just to point this out, the only other theory for tectonic plates would have something to do with pangea right? The whole world started as one continent and drifted away. The problem with pangea is that they shrunk Africa, removed South America and flipped three different bodies of land upside down. There is no way to explain how that pangea turned into the world we have today. There are two reasons behind saying pangea is a theory. one is because somebody was very creative with a pencil and was able to figure out a way to turn the world into a mysterious puzzle, only he had to cut some parts out to make it all fit.

two is that they've found similar fossils in opposite parts of the world. Is this pangea? You can argue that the world used to be one continent and that's why this happens. I think a much much better explanation would be a world wide flood. Everything would be displaced, everything would drown, everything would get buried. End of story. It fits much better, makes more logical sense.

The best evidence I have that disproves evolution is that in history, macro, cosmic, and other forms of evolution (with the only exception of micro-evolution, which proves nothing for the evolution theory) have never been observed. A star has never formed from nothing. a beast or creature of any kind has never been formed from nothing, or even a different kind. All of the elements that exist in the world, the ones that are on a periodic table, cannot be explained through big bang/evolution. It isn't possible to form most of the elements that do exist in this world.

On top of that, all of the dating methods have been proven wrong. They still use them, but they have all been proven wrong. Every single one of them, and that's the biggest evidence that evolution uses. That's a pretty strong disproof in my book.

Can atheist and christians come please?
atheist: why do you actually think there is no God?
theres so many facts around the world. i mean a big bang cant make the whole world. and anyways. who made the bang? who made the universe? who made humans have thousands of launguages? it WAS proven that there was jesus. how does the sun, moon stars etc stand perfect in the same place? if a "bang" happened why didnt another one happen? and anyways since your just science only doesnt it scare you that the world could just stop spinning any second? im not because i have faith.

All the "evidence", and I use the term loosely here, has been completely discredited as being outright false, a manipulation of the numbers, or a completely ridiculous claim.

I'd bet $1,000,000,000 you're parroting evolutionist documents and articles and have yet to read one by a creationist.

I've been to over 20 university debates and have yet to see one that the evolutionist wasn't completely embarassed. Most evolutionist heroes won't take public debates anymore after having their ass handed to them one too many times.

My primary goal is to find a wife that knows that she was created for man, that she is to be her husband's helpmate, that she is totally under her husband's authority and is to obey her husband with all her heart, mind, body and soul and that it is her husband that she is devoted to and loyal to and seeks to please with all her being. Such a wife is a Godly Christian wife. Any deviation from this it NOT a Godly Christian wife but is rather a rebellious witch and whore. Most of Christendom is filled with rebellious witch whores.

I am going to say this again for those of you who seriously aren't understanding this, if you think that America is one nation under God you are wrong (that's A.) and B. if you think that God's not going to judge this nation, you are wrong. If they can set up a praise homosexuality day, they sure as heck better set up a "Jesus day" celebrating His death on the cross to die for the sins of the whole world, or is that to offensive for the California government? again, more hypocrisy.

Evolution has about 10-15 years left in it before the evidence against it will be overwhelmingly undeniable. It already is pretty obvious that it didn't happen that way, the tide is shifting in the academic world but still too many scientists have made a career of promoting evolution so they won't be changing their tune this late in the game.

It helps alot that evolutionists are so incredibly arrogant and dogmatic too, slandering and insulting anyone who has a different opinion. This should speed up the rate at which the world grows weary of this silly little wive's tale.

Most churches only throw stones when they hear about homosexuals wanting to do certain things without acknowledging their sin and praying for forgiveness. Many of those same churches will gladly accept homosexuals that stop being homosexual.

Of course, we should not be surprised that liberals murder generations of other Americans so that they can help criminals, all for the perverted doctrine of multiculturalism. The fact is that Democrats can’t rest easy unless they can force every American citizen to get an abortion, and then replace each of those murdered children with an illegal, who will undoubtedly show unswavering loyalty towards their party.

Look through your home as you pray and the Lord will let you know what items need to be destroyed that have become an idol to you. Any type of collection - dolls (roots come from voodoo), owls and frogs (abominations to the Lord, as stated in the Bible), unicorns (lust and financial problems), etc. You may have only one or two of these items, but they are just as deadly as a collection. We have read and heard countless testimonies of what these items can do. Dolls levitate, walk and talk; owls caused cancer and when destroyed the person was totally healed. Please pray and seek the Lord regarding which items you must destroy. With pictures of movie stars you form a soul tie. One example is of a woman who came to us for DELIVERANCE from men and drugs. As I was praying for her the Lord impressed that the picture of Marilyn Monroe that was hanging above her bed was part of the problem. Marilyn Monroe had trouble with men and drugs and she died because of it.

Evolution has about 10-15 years left in it before the evidence against it will be overwhelmingly undeniable. It already is pretty obvious that it didn't happen that way, the tide is shifting in the academic world but still too many scientists have made a career of promoting evolution so they won't be changing their tune this late in the game.

It helps alot that evolutionists are so incredibly arrogant and dogmatic too, slandering and insulting anyone who has a different opinion. This should speed up the rate at which the world grows weary of this silly little wive's tale.