tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post5830045149280092661..comments2018-03-19T04:47:27.355+00:00Comments on LIVING THE HISTORY: Eleanor of Aquitaine, Raymond of Poitiers and the Incident at Antioch.Elizabeth Chadwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16911841862257909703noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-178917030013671822012-07-22T18:18:32.708+00:002012-07-22T18:18:32.708+00:00Fascinating, well reasoned blog about Eleanor and ...Fascinating, well reasoned blog about Eleanor and her uncle.<br /><br />I was about to ask about akhashic records but you&#39;ve answered the question.Rosemary Morrishttp://www.rosemarymorris.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-68927816647504126242012-07-22T12:42:05.193+00:002012-07-22T12:42:05.193+00:00Trish, yes, I did use the Akashics to find out abo...Trish, yes, I did use the Akashics to find out about it and they confirm what I said in the article. I didn&#39;t use them in the article because I wanted it to stand up for the sceptics. The Akashics say Eleanor and Raymond did not commit incest.Elizabeth Chadwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911841862257909703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-54992496763957188462012-07-21T13:53:40.005+00:002012-07-21T13:53:40.005+00:00This is why we read the books! Thank you for such...This is why we read the books! Thank you for such an interesting, informative post. Have you tried using an Akashic interview for this time or specifically for Raymond of Poitiers as you have in the past?Trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08433267659328100422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-60291045840070845952012-07-19T21:59:11.236+00:002012-07-19T21:59:11.236+00:00I don&#39;t think Eleanor WAS ahead of her time. ...I don&#39;t think Eleanor WAS ahead of her time. I think that&#39;s another of the myths we have swallowed from novels and biographers. I think she was OF her time and that she was caught in a moment where women&#39;s power for themselves was being squeezed. I do think she was dynamic, intelligent and nobody&#39;s fool, but everytime she tried to shift for herself, she ran into difficulty. When you look at it, her mother in law Adelaide of Maurienne actually exercised more longterm power in her reign than Eleanor was able to do in hers as queen of France. And Adelaide herself was caught up in the diminishing of women&#39;s power as the 12thc advanced. Where a woman could come into her own was as a mother of sons and as a deputy for her husband or those sons, both of which Eleanor accomplished with great skill. The time after Henry II&#39;s death was when Eleanor was at her most powerful.<br />Re Raymond: While I don&#39;t think it&#39;s impossible that he and Eleanor did the deed, I still can&#39;t see the pair of them eyeing each other up on the dockside of St. Symeon and getting such violent hots for each other that within the nine days they were in each other&#39;s company they lost their marbles and their political acumen and embarked on a bonk fest!Elizabeth Chadwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911841862257909703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-18755829627040256872012-07-19T13:13:37.556+00:002012-07-19T13:13:37.556+00:00The trouble with anything written about women in h...The trouble with anything written about women in history, especially women who were far ahead of their time, is what is fact and what is fiction? Unfortunately, history and men are not often kind to strong women.<br /><br />It is not impossible that Eleanor of Aquitaine could have slept with her uncle. Royalty has never been a stranger to inbreeding and getting into bed with relatives. But, this could very well be another lie spun by men who were threaten by such a powerful and smart woman. As Eleanor of Aquitaine&#39;s descendent I tend to be bias and go with the latter.Lady Grey Marehttps://twitter.com/ladygreymarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-78999078408225787062012-07-19T13:12:51.451+00:002012-07-19T13:12:51.451+00:00The trouble with anything written about women in h...The trouble with anything written about women in history, especially women who were far ahead of their time, is what is fact and what is fiction? Unfortunately, history and men are not often kind to strong women.<br /><br />It is not impossible that Eleanor of Aquitaine could have slept with her uncle. Royalty has never been a stranger to inbreeding and getting into bed with relatives. But, this could very well be another lie spun by men who were threaten by such a powerful and smart woman. As Eleanor of Aquitaine&#39;s descendent I tend to be bias and go with the latter.Lady Grey Marehttps://twitter.com/ladygreymarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-33038528887228167552012-07-18T07:10:26.794+00:002012-07-18T07:10:26.794+00:00John Phillips says...
An early Teenage niece disco...John Phillips says...<br />An early Teenage niece discovers, after a difficult time amidst a strange court, a wonderful Uncle; of course there would be a strong attraction of joy and kinship, with maybe some flirtatious interplay, but in the short time scale a sexual relationship would be an unlikely event even today,let alone at a royal court in those days.DocJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035131835534793495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-51279434065072052422012-07-18T05:50:12.623+00:002012-07-18T05:50:12.623+00:00Great article, Elizabeth. Beside the fact that inc...Great article, Elizabeth. Beside the fact that incest is reprehensible in most cultures (to all but the dirty-minded), the timing is critical. <br /><br />When I was laying out my novel, a timeline was insufficient for all the intrigue, politics, and personal events among my cast of real characters. Instead, I made a grid in Excel spreadsheet fashion: annual timeline vertically, and characters or major events horizontally. It explained so much that has always been missing from descriptions, annals, or correspondence of the day. I know who was where and when, who they named their large litters of children after (shows relationships and loyalties), and even how they responded to major events. It blows long-held hypotheses out of the water, too. Mwahahaha! <br /><br />And THAT is what makes history fun! Rock on, Elizabeth.Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24348391.post-44043524737698762492012-07-16T20:41:31.592+00:002012-07-16T20:41:31.592+00:00Ah, I love that you addressed this! I&#39;ve long...Ah, I love that you addressed this! I&#39;ve long struggled with this particular controversy, being sympathetic to both Raymond and Eleanor over the years. Every point and counterpoint you mention has merit and, as you say, it is left to modern interpretation. For you, it is the time issue that cinches it - and that makes sense. For me, I&#39;ve always been swayed by Eleanor&#39;s reaction once word of Raymond&#39;s death reached her later....as I recall, she went into seclusion. Of course, that could have been for a myriad of reasons: exhaustion after the entire messed up odyssey they had just partaken in, simply being &quot;done&quot; with Louis, the storms encountered shipboard, etc, etc. But for some reason, I could never help but wonder if news of Raymond&#39;s death really was the cause. And if so, were they really *that* close? Obviously, this doesn&#39;t guarantee that a sexual relationship existed between them (they could have been close for a lot of reasons), but here that time frame issue that you mentioned comes into play again. Did they really become such close, non-sexual companions in that short of time? A sexual relationship would certainly amplify their closeness.<br /><br />As you say, we will never really know (as much as I&#39;d like to!). You bring up some excellent points here and cut through confusion to present &quot;just the facts, ma&#39;am.&quot; I love it!Michele @ The Lit Asylumhttp://www.litasylum.comnoreply@blogger.com