So the future of FFXI seems to be riding quite heavily on what happens at Vanafest for a lot of players, given the rather uninspiring new road map it seems even more important than ever.

What do you think it will turn out to be? A new expansion, new dev team or maybe even free to play with cash shop?

if XI goes free to play I'm quitting

I'm hoping for a few things.

- An announcement of the end of legacy PS2 support in 2013. - An announcement of the beginning of PS3 or PS Vita support. I suspect the UI changes being done for PC are also prepwork for those versions. - An announcement regarding additional mini content expansions, or even better, a new full expansion.

The likelihood of those is a strong possibility. Firing Tanaka and getting a new dev team would be a dream come true, but it ain't gonna happen.

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Thayos wrote:

I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

If its no expansion im done i think nothing is worse than standing still and thats what the game is doing right now, again. Feels like pre abys allover nothing new to do nothing to see and grindy content all over.

You need in an in game store that allows for Credit card collection, which requires UI changes (not really possible on ps2/xbox since neither are on the list of ui updates).

That and what would you buy? You need TONS of micro transactions to balance out the gain. They would have to start selling dyna currency, alexandrite, gil, exp rings, sub job unlocks, area unlocks, private mounts. Might as well just sell mythics/relics/empy weapons.

There will be no ps3/vita support coming, that requires coders (not developers), and it is just to large of an investment for an old game.

End of ps2 support is possible

Mini expansions are possible (not full expansions, not after wotg took 4-5 years post release just to finish)

XI was originally going to be ported over to PS3, but Sony said "not with those graphics" and so SE dropped the plans. However, now that they're in serious negotiations to get XIV on the PS3, and they're applying major UI overhauls to the PC version, the time is ripe to run it out to the PS3.

The graphics engine for XI is capable of looking pretty darn good once the resolution is plumped up to HD levels. but the sticking point has always been the UI, which just feels dated. Cleaning up and modernizing the UI while allowing the game to run at 1080p might convince Sony to allow it as a legacy port after all.

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Thayos wrote:

I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

What were the major announcements for the past Vanafests? I can't imagine a 10 year old game having a full on expansion added to it. I might expect a add-on type mission set like the Moogle missions, but new areas, new mobs, etc. Not gonna happen with the skeleton crew that's likely left coding FFXI.

I bring this old map into view again... I only wish that they would have expanded the world like this... instead of rehashing the old areas. Lots of history exists all over Vana'diel and we've only seen a fraction of it... sure we get passing mentions of "other" areas in the story, but hey let's go to them...

Also, for pete's sake... I wana go to that old city in the intro someday dammit! :)

I feel the roadmap planned is the actual roadmap and anything they will say on the Vanafest will be small changes to stuff that already exist. They said on the last Vanafest they had a surprise that would shock everyone (the level 99 cap that was). On this Vanafest they haven't mentioned anything besides celebrating the 10th year of FFXI. When it comes to PSVita port I already know from the past that SE are very vague when they say "we're looking into something" as it might never happen or it will take at least 5 years to implement.

I feel the roadmap planned is the actual roadmap and anything they will say on the Vanafest will be small changes to stuff that already exist. They said on the last Vanafest they had a surprise that would shock everyone (the level 99 cap that was). On this Vanafest they haven't mentioned anything besides celebrating the 10th year of FFXI. When it comes to PSVita port I already know from the past that SE are very vague when they say "we're looking into something" as it might never happen or it will take at least 5 years to implement.

Actually, the road map is just what the development team is currently working on for this year. It's an internal document. Note that it doesn't go past December of this year?

They tend to announce expansions between 6 months and one year in advance. If they announce an expansion at Vanafest, it'll probably be planned for a spring 2013 release - well past the end of the current "road map."

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Thayos wrote:

I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

I'm torn, and I mean really torn, because I desperately want some new content and I know it probably won't come. I want a new full-sized expansion. I want something I can sink my teeth into once again, something that takes time and effort to attempt/complete, something where a small group is needed so I can actually get to meeting new people again. I don't know if it's just me but I've been feeling quite isolated on XI for some time now. I took a break for around 6 months or so for school, came back, and now every shout I'm seeing is for emp/relic only jobs. ****, LS are forming which are shouting for relic/empy members only. Whatever it is (Voidwatch, maybe) which has caused this behaviour needs to be toned the f*** down. No one wants to help with missions anymore because they can all be solo-ed now (mostly) and, as always, there's little to no reward for people who've already completed missions to go back and help others, which is why I don't blame people for not helping. I know that if I saw a shout for a mission which was going to take maybe 2 hours of my life, and I get squat for it, I would ignore it. Even offering rewards isn't as effective as it used to be since everyone and their mother has gil now.

Anyway, I digress, and what I want is something similar to the original missions, i.e. Not too long, not many JP Midnight waits (though there shouldn't be any!), good story, fun, and not impossibly hard. Just something where a group of players get together and complete the missions for the sake of the story, and whatever the reward is at the end, however good it may be, isn't the primary focus. Failing that, just f****** add something to get people to repeat them so everyone can get them done! 1000 exp, 10,000 gil etc., SE, these are not rewards anymore! Make it worth someone's while to go back and help someone. Gil/1000 Exp are no longer issues for anyone, so up the stakes and offer a merit point or two as a reward, XXNM Seals, upgrade items like Ifritite or something, anything, just make it useful.

Secondly, I want new jobs. I just do. I want something new injected into the game, anything at all, just something new and exciting. The problem with doing this now is that Abyssea exists... Any new jobs that are introduced would be 99 in days and, while that's fine for jobs we've had for near a decade, it would probably lead to people playing a new job incorrectly/inefficiently. As much as I was new jobs, new mechanics, new systems etc., I'm not holding my breath. I know SE can do it, I mean ****, Abyssea was fantastic, but yeah... dev team... whatever.

Catwho, while I would love either of your other two ideas, this one needs commenting;

catwho wrote:

An announcement of the beginning of PS3 or PS Vita support. I suspect the UI changes being done for PC are also prepwork for those versions.

**************** Please god no. FFXI was released on ps2 when ps2 was just over 2 years old, and within 3-4 years, the excuse "PS2 limitations" was already pretty rampant. PS3 is six years old. It doesn't matter how cutting edge it was, or what they've done to it in the last 6 years, the thing is 6 ******* years old, and even if they give official ps3 support, within a year, it'll just be their new excuse as to why they can't do x,y, and z. Honestly, PSVita would be just as bad, this game wasn't designed to be played on a handheld, and if MMOs start working their way onto handhelds, I'm not sure I'll be able to take it. I could see, maybe, a redux version, like letting you manage your **** with the ps vita, or a support version that lets you do bonus stuff, but a full version where you're playing normally with everyone else? god no.

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Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

Catwho, while I would love either of your other two ideas, this one needs commenting;

catwho wrote:

An announcement of the beginning of PS3 or PS Vita support. I suspect the UI changes being done for PC are also prepwork for those versions.

DearJesus@#%^no. Please god no. FFXI was released on ps2 when ps2 was just over 2 years old, and within 3-4 years, the excuse "PS2 limitations" was already pretty rampant. PS3 is six years old. It doesn't matter how cutting edge it was, or what they've done to it in the last 6 years, the thing is 6 @#%^ing years old, and even if they give official ps3 support, within a year, it'll just be their new excuse as to why they can't do x,y, and z.

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

However, I'd wager less than a 1% chance of them actually doing that, and I play on PC, so meh; if there was a time for them to do this, it would have been somewhere between the 360 version release, and the release of XIV.

Better be something flipping great because I have basically not been playing, by choice, for the first time in 8 years. I've logged in twice in nearly two months and I'm letting the sub run out this month because I can't be bothered to rush to the store for gaming cards. Instead I'm actually enjoying my MMO time with another game. So. It's pretty much do or die for them in June as far as I am concerned.

I see them in the back of mind combining FFXI and FFXIV into one game. LOL I would love to see a new expansion, new jobs and more tweaks. I love all of the improvements that they have been making to the game, however I do feel some of them should have been made long ago. Vanadiel has much more lore to explore, and yeh I would love to see the rest of the world. Also **** yeh to access to Blueblade Fell, relive the epic battle that many of us watched when we first logged on.

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My inner chaotic thinker would like to see a F2P announcement just to see all the chicken littles realize the sky won't fall. Honestly can't get much worse than the "pay for little attention" model they got going nowadays, and with a lack of global channels, it's not like "Barrens chat" or whatever allegedly post-WoW spawned evil will be prevalent. Hint: Anonymous people sucked on the internet before Blizzard made a game.

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

Considering it's the PS2's memory limitations that give us ridiculous things like 80 inventory cap (which honestly should give an indication as to just how close they are cutting it in their memory usage), and a resulting reliance on Porter Moogles, and the PS3 has about 8 times the memory capacity that the PS2 does, yes. In an absolute sense, it's not a huge amount of memory, but relative to the program we want to run on it, the difference is astronomical.

But again, if they were going to do it, they would have already done it. The best we can hope for is an increased willingness to let the PC version diverge from the other platforms.

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

While modern PCs have total memory that dwarfs 256 MB, that memory also is there to be shared by a ton of stuff all running at the same time, including a notoriously bloated OS.

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Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

While modern PCs have total memory that dwarfs 256 MB, that memory also is there to be shared by a ton of stuff all running at the same time, including a notoriously bloated OS.

Both my tablet and my phone have 4x the amount of RAM the PS3 has, and I definitely don't consider the mobile OS to be bloated.

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

While modern PCs have total memory that dwarfs 256 MB, that memory also is there to be shared by a ton of stuff all running at the same time, including a notoriously bloated OS.

Both my tablet and my phone have 4x the amount of RAM the PS3 has, and I definitely don't consider the mobile OS to be bloated.

I bring this old map into view again... I only wish that they would have expanded the world like this... instead of rehashing the old areas. Lots of history exists all over Vana'diel and we've only seen a fraction of it... sure we get passing mentions of "other" areas in the story, but hey let's go to them...

Also, for pete's sake... I wana go to that old city in the intro someday dammit! :)

They could do something with the unused monorail area. It's been in there since day one.

I bring this old map into view again... I only wish that they would have expanded the world like this... instead of rehashing the old areas. Lots of history exists all over Vana'diel and we've only seen a fraction of it... sure we get passing mentions of "other" areas in the story, but hey let's go to them...

Also, for pete's sake... I wana go to that old city in the intro someday dammit! :)

They could do something with the unused monorail area. It's been in there since day one.

It could just be a dodgy google translate, but I think the website says they'll discuss hidden secrets about the development of the game and give us an insight into the development ops over the past 10 years. Perhaps they'll actually bring this area up?

Since ZAM is coming does that mean I get the chance to meet Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff? That be Impossible to gauge, but a wonderful expierence none the less.

Edited, Apr 27th 2012 6:57am by kimjongil76

The majority of the individuals on the site aren't eligible to buy tickets due to the restriction of needing to have Playonline IDs linked to Japanese Square Enix accounts (the whole region situation), and most everyone here falls under the North American/ European accounts. As for ZAM, the only member of the team that'd be able to go without costly flight expenses (and the whole ID thing, though we'd probably be able to get away with it due to it falling under media coverage) would be Elmer. Like last year, our coverage will basically be from the feed and up to date notes that we get.

I can't imagine a 10 year old game having a full on expansion added to it.

Why not?

WoW is not much younger than XI and it is getting another full expansion.

Before people say "player population blah blah blah"...Does EQ2 have as many subs as XI? It just got a full expansion at the end of last year (with a major addition to that expansion just this month)

So, smaller (?) games, and games almost as old as XI (also imo XI's graphics are way nicer than WoW's even though XI is older) are getting full expansions, including new classes and new races - **** even new physics in the case of EQ2 (flying was added fairly recently) - while all people can expect for XI is slightly less jpggey fonts?

That's pathetic.

If XI doesn't get a full on expansion soon, the only reason is because the devs have their heads full of sand and think that either

a) People will pay to play indefinitely with no real substantive new content added

b) If they starve XI of resources to fund XIV people will quit XI for XIV when 2.0 is released (as opposed to just giving the middle finger to SE altogether)

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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

So, smaller (?) games, and games almost as old as XI (also imo XI's graphics are way nicer than WoW's even though XI is older) are getting full expansions, including new classes and new races - **** even new physics in the case of EQ2 (flying was added fairly recently) - while all people can expect for XI is slightly less jpggey fonts?

WoW had a graphics overhaul fairly recently, while FFXI has stayed the same. My computer can barely play WoW on "Fair" (And I have to turn a few settings all the way down) when before it handled "Good" no problem.

I can't imagine a 10 year old game having a full on expansion added to it.

Why not?

WoW is not much younger than XI and it is getting another full expansion.

Before people say "player population blah blah blah"...Does EQ2 have as many subs as XI? It just got a full expansion at the end of last year (with a major addition to that expansion just this month)

So, smaller (?) games, and games almost as old as XI (also imo XI's graphics are way nicer than WoW's even though XI is older) are getting full expansions, including new classes and new races - **** even new physics in the case of EQ2 (flying was added fairly recently) - while all people can expect for XI is slightly less jpggey fonts?

That's pathetic.

If XI doesn't get a full on expansion soon, the only reason is because the devs have their heads full of sand and think that either

a) People will pay to play indefinitely with no real substantive new content added

b) If they starve XI of resources to fund XIV people will quit XI for XIV when 2.0 is released (as opposed to just giving the middle finger to SE altogether)

EQ1 got its 18th expansion last November and its 13 years old. This was a full expansion. They raised the level cap, added like 12 new zones, new gear, etc.

Edited, Apr 30th 2012 8:27pm by Telaki

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Well, if you like having your center of mass above your neck, play Taru. Don't blame me when the wind picks up and you flip over >_>

Rog wrote:

I hate you @#%^ing retards that don't understand that the game pre75 and the game post 75 are two completely @#%^ing different games.

SE can make a new expansion. It would certainly cost less than FFXIV 2.0. They just choose not to. They got arrogant, think FFXIV at launch would be more successful than FFXI at its peak and they could starve cash cow FFXI and players would have no reluctance whatsoever to depart FFXI for FFXIV or feel offended at being offered the 'choice' of new shiny vs. sabotaged current shiny. They set forth a server merge plan and they did 1 round (which did kinda need it) and then a 2nd round, after FFXIV was shown to be a flop, even though people were saying it wasn't necessary. At least they didn't do a 3rd round. There are limits to their stupidity as unlikely as that notion may seem.

FFXI was at a crossroads back in 2010. They did add new content (Trial of the Magians, raising the Level Cap) and Abyssea was just a buffer to buy them more time. It was clearly a dead end, a gaiden, a side tale. The crossroad was the path to new lands, new wonders or the path of spinning in circles and going towards a plain horizon across kinda pathetic looking grasslands. They've clearly chosen that road to a slow, quiet end though they've strayed from it a little, adding some new content, but its clearly not that other road. Abyssea was supposed to buy time to develop a new expansion, whether they started in early 2010 when Abyssea was plotted or late 2010 when FFXIV was sleeping with the fishes, but as is seen, they clearly never even planned to make a new expansion in 2010 or even at least most of 2011.

FFXI feels like this scene with SE. The fans are shouting to SE "You're going the wrong way!" yet SE reacts to us like John Candy does. FFXI is the car (the clip cuts off right before that scene). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akwHYMdbsM

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FFXI feels like this scene with SE. The fans are shouting to SE "You're going the wrong way!" yet SE reacts to us like John Candy does. FFXI is the car (the clip cuts off right before that scene).

If you watched FFXIV you would see the ignoring and "We know better" is Tanaka, he refuses to budge from his ideas of how things should be even if every player of the game shouts at it being wrong, he refuses to change if the project he is working on is crashing and burning. He blames the playerbase for "not getting it" or "it's western players fault", if you read how he handled XIV you realise it's not worth holding out hope that he will listen, no matter how many of us quit.

The only way XI will change is the same way XIV changed, Tanaka being moved off onto something else. Since they don't care about XI anymore and just about XIV being a success (which XI is direct compeition for happening) he is there to stay.

Eh...is there anything that the PS3 would stop them from doing that the PS2 already doesn't? They don't seem to have an issue with giving out PC-only updates now, so if the PS3 version was just a straight PS2 port with access to the PS3's increased memory (bye-bye 80 inventory limitations!), it would probably end up being pretty nice.

Yes, because the 256 MB of system RAM the PS3 is quite a lot today. /sarcasm

Considering it's the PS2's memory limitations that give us ridiculous things like 80 inventory cap (which honestly should give an indication as to just how close they are cutting it in their memory usage), and a resulting reliance on Porter Moogles, and the PS3 has about 8 times the memory capacity that the PS2 does, yes. In an absolute sense, it's not a huge amount of memory, but relative to the program we want to run on it, the difference is astronomical.

But again, if they were going to do it, they would have already done it. The best we can hope for is an increased willingness to let the PC version diverge from the other platforms.

It's kind of funny that inventory space is such a huge issue in this game, given that, all things considered, when you compare available inventory in FFXI to other big MMOs, the difference is staggeringly in FFXI's favor. I'm basically talking about every MMO that uses the @#%^ing retarded Inventory bags system, which is most of them, where you start the game with like, 20 slots at most, and it takes all sorts of insanity to increase your max by reasonable amounts, either huge in game costs (similar to FFXI, but honestly, most of the gobbie bag quests are @#%^ing dirt cheap), or huge RL money costs. The most I've ever seen is maybe 100 available slots in field, if you're lucky/rich. Sure, we can only draw on 80 active slots, but by endgame, every player can, with relatively little effort, draw on 140-160 slots, minimum, if not up to 240, and that doesn't even touch the fact that our available bank space is so much more expansive than inventory-bag games, for far less work. Total available active storage is... 475ish slots, since you have to account for a couple of slots to access the 80 MH storage slots. And that doesn't even begin to touch on the storage npcs and the fact that muling is game-legal.

All of that, and we're still hard-pressed to find/make @#%^ing inventory space

A fun alternative is EVE's inventory, where every item has volume, and your inventory space is a set volume (and every ship that has huge cargo space is also either defenseless or a floating brick with no offensive capability, just sh*ttons and sh*ttons of HP) Ships act as your active/field inventory, as well as your armor, your weapons, your transportation, and your character. Each NPC-owned Space Stations has nigh infinite (Talking in the hundreds of millions of cubic meters, and with the ability to buy extra cargo storage that increases over all storage while taking up less space than it has internally, despite the paradox) storage space for each player, as well as for any corp(guild) that pays the fee to have a corp cargo bay at the station . The only draw back is that each station's storage is limited to that station, and can't be accessed from another station. If you forget sh*t in one, you can't just hop in the nearest station to get it, you gotta go all the way back.

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kimjongil76 wrote:

So who has their tickets to go?

I got mine, see you there!!!!!!

Since ZAM is coming does that mean I get the chance to meet Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff? That be Impossible to gauge, but a wonderful expierence none the less.

Edited, Apr 27th 2012 6:57am by kimjongil76

He is one of these guys...Can you guess which one?

Vlor (Or a shrunken Hellboy. ****** vlor, you look like hellboy and have mdenham's voice. Is anything about you unique?), Usagi, StupidmonkeyNo one of importance, I'm assuming ... what was her name? The Lady who ran the FFXI-Wikibase forum... I think it started witha C? or maybe a K? She was on siren for a bit and we did dynamis together, so it's really bothering me that I'm brainfarting like this... (I'm also totally guessing that it's her because I've never seen a picture of her before, but she's the only other female FFXI admin that I'm aware of), GigantorThayos, and Pikko

Edited, May 1st 2012 1:05pm by Jinte

Edited, May 1st 2012 1:07pm by Jinte

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Reiterpallasch wrote:

Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

To be fair, FFXI does rely heavily on side-grades and macroed gear swapping. If there was gear progression where getting the (example) 85 DD body drop flat-out made all older bodies worthless, and there was no need to swap between TP/WS/PDT/MDT/Idle, 80 inventory would indeed be pretty huge.

I haven't played other MMOs other than a brief stint (and I mean a few hours long, it wasn't my copy of the game) in EQ, but I'm assuming that in lower-inventory games gear swapping is actively discouraged, and that most of them don't have first-expansion gear competing with third and fourth-expansion gear (think Byakko's Haidate or E.Body all the way up until Abyssea was released).

Edit: Not to mention the Job System means that you can have 20 classes leveled on one character, whereas in many other games, it's 1 class per character.

I have 40 inventory slots in each of my bags on EQ2 and I think I have 5 of them (?) I dunno, I have yet to run out of space. Maybe I have more than 5. I am really not that observant about them because it seems like they never run out. It helps that you can have craptons of stuff on the AH indefinitely too.

It also helps that there is no gear swapping really that I can see (at least haven't figured it out if it does exist) and only 1 job on a character. (Though I really wish that wasn't the case. I love my character but I would love it more if it could change jobs)

Edited, May 1st 2012 11:17am by Olorinus

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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

Vlor (Or a shrunken Hellboy. ****** vlor, you look like hellboy and have mdenham's voice. Is anything about you unique?), Usagi, StupidmonkeyNo one of importance, I'm assuming ... what was her name? The Lady who ran the FFXI-Wikibase forum... I think it started witha C? or maybe a K? She was on siren for a bit and we did dynamis together, so it's really bothering me that I'm brainfarting like this... (I'm also totally guessing that it's her because I've never seen a picture of her before, but she's the only other female FFXI admin that I'm aware of), GigantorThayos, and Pikko

I'm older than both of them, thus they stole from me, and not the other way around.

what was her name? The Lady who ran the FFXI-Wikibase forum... I think it started witha C? or maybe a K? She was on siren for a bit and we did dynamis together, so it's really bothering me that I'm brainfarting like this... (I'm also totally guessing that it's her because I've never seen a picture of her before, but she's the only other female FFXI admin that I'm aware of),

Actually, that is Wilmakitty from Asura, she is a friend of mine from the game that I had never met face to face until that fanfest. Also one of my very best friends

My inner chaotic thinker would like to see a F2P announcement just to see all the chicken littles realize the sky won't fall. Honestly can't get much worse than the "pay for little attention" model they got going nowadays, and with a lack of global channels, it's not like "Barrens chat" or whatever allegedly post-WoW spawned evil will be prevalent. Hint: Anonymous people sucked on the internet before Blizzard made a game.

Edited, Apr 27th 2012 2:45pm by Seriha

they make far too much money to make this free to play especially considering the failure that is ffxiv

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It's PSU as in Pennsylvania State University not any phantasy star crap.

Vlor (Or a shrunken Hellboy. ****** vlor, you look like hellboy and have mdenham's voice. Is anything about you unique?), Usagi, StupidmonkeyNo one of importance, I'm assuming ... what was her name? The Lady who ran the FFXI-Wikibase forum... I think it started witha C? or maybe a K? She was on siren for a bit and we did dynamis together, so it's really bothering me that I'm brainfarting like this... (I'm also totally guessing that it's her because I've never seen a picture of her before, but she's the only other female FFXI admin that I'm aware of), GigantorThayos, and Pikko

I'm older than both of them, thus they stole from me, and not the other way around.

Edited, May 1st 2012 5:10pm by Vlorsutes

I knew you were older than hellboy, but I thought MD was older than you tbf though, he seems like he's in his 40s despite the fact that he isn't.

Professor stupidmonkey wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

what was her name? The Lady who ran the FFXI-Wikibase forum... I think it started witha C? or maybe a K? She was on siren for a bit and we did dynamis together, so it's really bothering me that I'm brainfarting like this... (I'm also totally guessing that it's her because I've never seen a picture of her before, but she's the only other female FFXI admin that I'm aware of),

Actually, that is Wilmakitty from Asura, she is a friend of mine from the game that I had never met face to face until that fanfest. Also one of my very best friends

That was my next guess. By which I mean "Notexosothepicisn'tawesome" so I'll substitute;

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Reiterpallasch wrote:

Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

they make far too much money to make this free to play especially considering the failure that is ffxiv

Yeah, I think I've spent like 40 bucks on EQ2 in my first month playing (3 month "gold" subscription, prestige house, unicorn mount, clothes for looks)... so I don't see how bringing in F2P would make XI less profitable - unless, like almost everything else, SE flailed about and made it totally fail.

There are a lot of examples of F2P working and bringing in the bacon. That said, SE would probably need to spend some money and time working in features which could feed micro transactions (mounts, housing, non-combat pets, and looks-only clothes are great for this purpose, since they offer only minor advantages if any at all)

I thought I was totally against F2P being in a game I played at all, but I guess that was from bad experience with a game that allowed power to be bought - as long as micro-transactions are geared towards trinkets and cosmetic items, and there are advantages to subbing versus non subbing (if they want to keep subs at all) - I wouldn't be against XI going F2P, nor would I think it was that bad of an idea.

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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

The F2P model itself isn't evil, just what a dev does with it. Most games that deploy as such are unfortunately likely to have some kind of shortcoming (usually graphics) or outright look to clone something else with no meaningful deviation. In XI's case, it's not like there aren't a shortage of possible convenience perks you could market that aren't outright buying items. There's also what I personally refer to as the "useless market" that covers pets, vanity items, and so on that I'd never buy, but otherwise see people gobbling them up. And I'd still love to see contests where people could design items and the winner gets added to the game. This is more likely in the vanity sense, but who knows, maybe the design could be liked to enough to get statted gear.

I've been hoping for a real expansion for a very long time. I've been playing FFXI since NA launch, and there has never been anything more awesome or exciting than a full blown expansion. I liked WotG, but it was a bit of a let down after the high bar they set with ToAU.