Friday, April 15, 2011

Judge Keene Revokes Manson's Right To Defend Himself. Family Reacts... Part II

Keene said>>>>>“I’m satisfied, that if you went to trial before a jury on charges as complex as these… it would be a fundamental denial of due process“.

I’ve often thought to myself, that Keene was protecting himself, (and the trial) legally, with this move. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems obvious to me, that if Keene allowed Manson to represent himself throughout, it could easily, have been considered grounds for a mis-trial (after the fact). Keene’s statement strongly supports my long-standing theory. Keene states clearly... “it would be a fundamental denial of due process”. Once “due process” goes out the window like old bath water, you’ve got a re-trial situation, on your hands. I’m sure Manson had a handle on this concept, and was dealing his “self representation card”, with that re-trial concept, in the back of his mind… as a wild card. He could represent himself, and still cry foul afterwards, that he didn’t get a fair trial. Legally… Manson would probably have had a good leg to stand on. Keene was obviously well aware of walking that line… and avoiding a “due process” issue after-the-fact. Manson also tried to cause a mis-trial, with the Nixon Headline… did he not? I think Manson was “keenly” (pun intended) aware of the possibility of a second trial, if he was allowed represent himself… and that’s a second reason, he was so upset, he lost his right.

>>>>Keene appointed Charles Hollopeter of Pasadena, to defend Manson. Keene said that if Manson wanted to choose another attorney, he will be glad to substitute him for Hollopeter, a veteran criminal lawyer”.

If this Hollopeter, was a veteran criminal lawyer, Manson was likely foolish, to swap him for Kanarek. I’d like to know more about this Charles Hollopeter, and why Manson chose to swap him, just out of sheer curiosity.

Katie said>>>"You know if Charlie had been able to represent himself, this trial might still be going on, 40+ years later"!

LOLOLI have to admit.. that was pretty funny.He'd probably still be questioning his first witness... or relating his opening statement. : )

"...and then there's the time I was down in Big Sur, with a hooker"... "did, I tell you about Big Sur?" LOL

"Columbus sailed on an ocean, but it's not the same ocean"... "it's a different ocean, it's a different world". LOL"Now is the only thing that matters". "You can't prove anything"."I ask you dear jury... Whaddya wanna call me a murderer for?".

At the Bailiff:"I could pick up this book, and beat you over the head with it, and I wouldn't feel a thing... it'd be like (pause), going to the grocery store". LOL

At 50 year old female juror:"I'm no sunday school teacher woman... I'm an outlaw"!

Closing statement:"Maybe I shoulda killed 5 or 6 thousand people... then I would have felt like, I really offered society something. LOLOL

Eh... Charlie's a hot shit.You can't help but like the guy, on some level.He's got a sense of humor anyway.

Keene said>>>>>“I’m satisfied, that if you went to trial before a jury on charges as complex as these… it would be a fundamental denial of due process“.

I’ve often thought to myself, that Keene was protecting himself, (and the trial) legally, with this move. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems obvious to me, that if Keene allowed Manson to represent himself throughout, it could easily, have been considered grounds for a mis-trial (after the fact). Keene’s statement strongly supports my long-standing theory. Keene states clearly... “it would be a fundamental denial of due process”.Once “due process” goes out the window like old bath water, you’ve got a re-trial situation, on your hands. I’m sure Manson had a handle on this concept, and was dealing his “self representation card”, with that re-trial concept, in the back of his mind… as a wild card. He could represent himself, and still cry foul afterwards, that he didn’t get a fair trial. Legally… Manson would probably have a good leg to stand on. Keene was obviously well aware of walking that line… and avoiding a “due process” issue after-the-fact.Manson also tried to cause a mis-trial, with the Nixon Headline… did he not? I think Manson was “keenly” (pun intended) aware of the possibility of a second trial, if he was allowed represent himself… and that’s a second reason, he was so upset, he lost his right.

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>>>>>“Keene appointed Charles Hollopeter of Pasadena, to defend Manson. Keene said that if Manson wanted to choose another attorney, he will be glad to substitute him for Hollopeter, a veteran criminal lawyer”.

If this Hollopeter, was a veteran criminal lawyer, Manson was likely foolish, to swap him for Kanarek. I’d like to know more about this Charles Hollopeter, and why Manson chose to swap him, just out of sheer curiosity.

Evidently, Hollopeter was doing excellent, until Johnnie Cochran took over for him... and screwed things up big-time.

"Pratt’s chief counsel had been Charles Hollopeter, a seasoned defense attorney, who put on such a capable defense that the jury was hung throughout 10 days of deliberations before it finally reached its verdict.

Hollopeter had been on the case for a year and a half before Cochran joined the defense — only after Hollopeter asked the judge to appoint a black lawyer to corral Panther alibi witnesses who were refusing to cooperate with the white lawyer.

Sadly, after Hollopeter and Cochran thoroughly undermined the prosecution’s witnesses, Cochran blundered by introducing a key piece of evidence that allowed the prosecution to claim the defense alibi was a lie. The verdict turned on this one piece of evidence, and Pratt went to prison".

Turns out, Cochran was able to defend Pratt a second time many years later (with newfound evidence), and got Pratt freed... with a handsome settlement.I think I'd rather forgo the settlement... and avoid many years in prison! : )

Full Story here: http://www.laweekly.com/2005-04-07/news/if-the-glove-fits/

"In truth, beginning with the original trial, Cochran's role had been somewhat less abiding and heroic than he claimed. Pratt's chief counsel had been Charles Hollopeter ...."

... a seasoned defense attorney, who put on such a capable defense that the jury was hung throughout ten days of deliberations before it finally reached its verdict. Hollopeter had been on the case for a year and a half before Cochran joined the defense -- only after Hollopeter asked the judge to appoint a black lawyer to corral Panther alibi witnesses who were refusing to cooperate with the white lawyer."

Charles M. said that Mr. Hollopeter offered him an 18 month plea bargain, agreed by the prosecution, if only he, Charles, would rat out the real "mastermind". Got that -- eighteen months, with time served! He could have been out in a year. This was a deal that Mr. Bugliosi agreed to originally!!!

Charles did not want to be a snitch and so he turned the offer down, which enraged the prosecution. Mr. Hollopeter begged Charles to take it, upon which, Charles fired him.

Mr. Hollopeter is still alive and in the area; he is retired. I s'pose you could ask him.

Charles WAS denied pro per... just cuz the judge doesn't like what you have to say doesn't remove your right to say it in court!

Charles did NOT fire Mr. Holopeter cuz he refused to take the psych exam. Charles DID take the psych exam! That wasn't the problem. The issue was ratting out the higher up person, which he wasn't gonna do.

AGain, you don't believe me, talk to Mr. Hollopeter, he is still alive.

I don't know, whomever was giving directions about who should have "enforcement" performed on them at that time and place. It is someone with connections to the bike club, the drug sales ladder in that region, illegal gambling and porn. I think the Col. is onto something with that one bodyguard dude. However I don't know the shot-caller's name. If they told me they'd have to kill me, hahahaha! But it's not Charles. The bike club mechanic is NOT the guy who gives orders to everyone else. It's said that Danny DeCarlo was Pres. of the Straight Satans but that is not true, he was just a member. I bet DeCarlo knew, though. I further bet that individual did time with Charles at one time or another.

FRIENDS

"Charlie Manson is a five foot seven schizophrenic, who if it weren't for the murder of Sharon Tate, would never be known or discussed. And I'm not saying he isn't funny and entertaining. I'm saying he's a dime a dozen criminal-class punk, who had the good fortune of running into some middle class pseudo-revolutionary white girls." -- Tom G

"The simple and undeniable truth, is that Charlie and the gang were/are the biggest idiots, morons and imbeciles on the planet." -- Leary7

"Them fucking fruitcakes could not pour piss out of a boot, with the bottom written on it."--Harold True