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I always just rubbed detergent on the inside of the clothing under the stain and then soaked it. Treating the actual stain is like rubbing the stain in. If you put the detergent or stain treatment on the inside, you are pushing the stain out. After soaking, I wash it and then check it. If it is not completely gone, I re-soak, because once it goes in the dryer . . . it's there forever.