Messages - vyper

Well, given you just heard on the 28th, I'm not overly surprised you haven't gone decision yet.

I meant the question more for those who got the inquiry before the (possibly first?) wave of acceptances went out. Those that were asked before "The Great Status Change of 09", did you get accepted during that period?

I posted this on another forum, but here's some placement data for you vs. Seton Hall. The fact Rutgers now makes the data easily available and fairly transparent gives them major props in my book.

Rutgers just released a pretty good picture of their job statistics on their new website. Since the Amlaw 250 is a few years older I thought this would be helpful... I happen to have data from Seton Hall's employment outlook last year, so I thought I'd put them both up so undecided students could be better informed. Let me first give major props to Rutgers for making the data available, it wasn't easy acquiring the data from Seton Hall.

(NOTE: This is Rutgers class of 2007 being compared to Seton Hall's class of 2006)

19.4% of the 46% are at firms of 2-10 attorneys7.4% of the of the 46% are at firms of 11-25 attorneys4.6% of the 46% are at firms of 26-50 attorneys18.5% of the 46% are at firms of 51-100 attorneys12.0% of the 46% are at firms of 101-250 attorneys15.7% of the 46% are at firms of 251-500 attorneys15.7% of the 46% are at firms of 501+ attorneys

SETON HALL DATA:

Quote:361 graduates in the class of 2006, of which 348 (or 96.9%) reported themselves as employed. An additional 5 (or 1.4%) were pursuing other advanced degrees. The remaining balance either reported as unemployed or did not respond to the survey (for a total of 1.7%).

Of the 348 students who responded to the survey with employment data:136 (or 39%) are in private practice. Almost 25% of our graduates who are in private practice are employed at large law firms - those with over 100 attorneys.141 (or 40.5%) are employed in government positions - including Judicial Clerkships53 (or 15.2%) are employed in a business or corporate environment.5 (or 1.44%) are employed in a public interest field.4 (or 1.2%) are employed in academic settings.

26.47% of the 39% are at firms of 2 to 10 attorneys with an average salary of $53,19116.18% of the 39% are at firms of 11 to 25 attorneys with an average salary of $62,8415.88% of the 39% are at firms of 26 to 50 attorneys with an average salary of $73,1258.09% of the 39% are at firms of 51 to 100 attorneys with an average salary of $85,1366.62% of the 39% are at firms of 101 to 250 attorneys with an average salary of $107,1677.35% of the 39% are at firms of 251 to 500 attorneys with an average salary of $133,0009.56% of the 39% are at firms of 500+ attorneys with an average salary of $135,38518.38% of the 39% did not specify the size of the firm1.47% of the 39% are self-employed

Conclusion: Rutgers still appears to offer a significant edge in placement at a fraction of the cost. 9.17 % Seton Hall's class ended up at firms with more than 100 attorneys... 19.97% of Rutgers class ended up at firms with more than 100 attorneys (not to mention students from both schools who took the clerkship route and could have gone to mid-size and large firms)

The PDF floating around of the 2009 US News scanwith the detailed breakdown for schools 1-59 is great, but I haven't been able to find a scan of the next page (which you can see part of in the scan). I'm interested in comparing a few schools that are on the next page, which I believe should be page 47 in the book. If anyone has seen or has the scan, could you direct me to it?

I saw two old threads on the topic, with Rutgers getting the vote of confidence in 2005, but Seton Hall getting the more recent vote (2007). Seton Hall's got a terrible rap on another unmentionable forum, but has risen in the rankings while Rutgers has declined significantly since the late 90s. I'm looking for feedback specifically if the costs were slanted in favor of Seton Hall to the tune of $5k less per year.

I found these private practice job statistics, and despite the 2007 post recommending Seton Hall, it appears Rutgers' placement is better. However, as I believe something like only 50% of the class responds, not sure how valuable the data is as it is probably highly manipulated. My goal is private practice in either mid or big law, preferably in New Jersey, followed by New York.

Seton Hall - 39% of the class is in private practice.26.47% of the 39% are at firms of 2 to 10 attorneys with an average salary of $53,19116.18% of the 39% are at firms of 11 to 25 attorneys with an average salary of $62,8415.88% of the 39% are at firms of 26 to 50 attorneys with an average salary of $73,1258.09% of the 39% are at firms of 51 to 100 attorneys with an average salary of $85,1366.62% of the 39% are at firms of 101 to 250 attorneys with an average salary of $107,1677.35% of the 39% are at firms of 251 to 500 attorneys with an average salary of $133,0009.56% of the 39% are at firms of 500+ attorneys with an average salary of $135,38518.38% of the 39% did not specify the size of the firm1.47% of the 39% are self-employed

Rutgers-Newark - 45.1% of the class is in private practice.11.96% are at firms of 2 to 10 attorneys with an average salary of $62,4003.26% are at firms of 11 to 25 attorneys with an average salary of $77,50014.13% are at firms of 26 to 50 attorneys with an average salary of $88,23110.87% are at firms of 51 to 100 attorneys with an average salary of $87,33325% are at firms of 101 to 250 attorneys with an average salary of $122,4748.7% are at firms of 251 to 500 attorneys with an average salary of $140,00025% are at firms of 500+ attorneys with an average salary of $141,739