I've had a few, my wife more, some that didn't need such muzzles to look fearce.

Of couse, the effect would be lost when she called it.

She had an 80kg Rottweiler named "Lucky", which she didn't even know what it meant, nor the irony. I also know someone (also a woman) who had one named "Bobby". Some people really should learn English!

Why do you write that?
From a dog's viewpoint they look well made. For example, in hot weather a dog needs to open its mouth and pant to cool off and these muzzles are claimed to offer this. Most muzzles do not allow this

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Why do you write that?
From a dog's viewpoint they look well made. For example, in hot weather a dog needs to open its mouth and pant to cool off and these muzzles are claimed to offer this. Most muzzles do not allow this

I guess the viewpoint depends on the Dog. Put one on a Shiba Inu and they won't be leaving the house. Heck, I know a Shiba that doesn't like the _colour_ of some collars!

Might be good for a joke on a Beagle though.

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We responsible owners have been working so hard to change public (mis)perception of dogs, especially the grossly unfair prejudice that resulted in draconian BSL.

We responsible owners have been trying to change hearts and minds by training our dogs to be good ambassadors for their breeds and for canine kind. We don't want people afraid of our dogs, quite the opposite. We want to put their best paw (and our best foot) forward at all times.

Many of the Listenhund owners I know, who are required to muzzle simply because unfounded panic resulted in bad law, purposely choose muzzles in pastel colors, then add in a pink bandana, to give their dogs a 'softer' look. Quite the opposite of these contraptions. I'll say it again: We don't want people afraid of our dogs.

Why on earth would a responsible owner purposely antagonize Hans Ueli Stimmburger? It should be remembered that we could be one referendum away from losing our dogs...

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Yes, a basket muzzle is the only type that should be worn when exercising or even walking, and the only type designed for longer use. Only a basket muzzle allows a dog to breathe and pant normally. The fabric ones are strictly for very short term use, such as a few minutes on the vet table for an exam. Prolonged or inappropriate use could result in a dog suffocating to dying of overheating.

/sermon

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We responsible owners have been working so hard to change public (mis)perception of dogs, especially the grossly unfair prejudice that resulted in draconian BSL.

We responsible owners have been trying to change hearts and minds by training our dogs to be good ambassadors for their breeds and for canine kind. We don't want people afraid of our dogs, quite the opposite. We want to put their best paw (and our best foot) forward at all times.

Many of the Listenhund owners I know, who are required to muzzle simply because unfounded panic resulted in bad law, purposely choose muzzles in pastel colors, then add in a pink bandana, to give their dogs a 'softer' look. Quite the opposite of these contraptions. I'll say it again: We don't want people afraid of our dogs.

Why on earth would a responsible owner purposely antagonize Hans Ueli Stimmburger? It should be remembered that we could be one referendum away from losing our dogs...

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Yes, a basket muzzle is the only type that should be worn when exercising or even walking, and the only type designed for longer use. Only a basket muzzle allows a dog to breathe and pant normally. The fabric ones are strictly for very short term use, such as a few minutes on the vet table for an exam. Prolonged or inappropriate use could result in a dog suffocating to dying of overheating.

/sermon

Meloncollie,

I love dogs, never known a "bad" dog, and I've known a few junkyard dogs over the years. In my opinion the problem isn't the dogs, or the race, but the owners, and I do know a few listenhund owners that really don't deserve the right to own a dog. The fear is not completely unfounded.

I love dogs, never known a "bad" dog, and I've known a few junkyard dogs over the years. In my opinion the problem isn't the dogs, or the race, but the owners, and I do know a few listenhund owners that really don't deserve the right to own a dog. The fear is not completely unfounded.

Have to agree here. A guy I know from work just had over 20 stitches because he was attacked by a pitbull while out jogging. Turns out the dog was owned by a bunch of junkies who couldn't take care of themselves much less a dog. Absolute shame as it is now classified as dangerous and will be put down.

I love dogs, never known a "bad" dog, and I've known a few junkyard dogs over the years. In my opinion the problem isn't the dogs, or the race, but the owners, and I do know a few listenhund owners that really don't deserve the right to own a dog. The fear is not completely unfounded.

Oh I readily agree that the fear of some Listenhund owners is not unfounded. There are many people who should not own a Listenhund, nor a Chihuahua. Bad dogs are made, not born. Show me a bad dog and I will show you a bad person on the other end of the lead.

That bad person, the irresponsible idiot owner, turned a blank canvas puppy into a problem dog. That person must bear full responsibility.

But the other thousands of perfectly well behaved dogs of the same breed should not be judged, banned, and killed off because of a small number of irresponsible idiots. And that is what BSL does.

What BSL does not do is solve the problem of idiot owners, not one whit.

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