Men Going Their Own Way blather endlessly about how women won’t shut up

So the nice gentlemen over on MGTOWforums are trying to get to the bottom of what they see as a very important question: Why Can’t They Ever Shut Up?

Unfortunately, they’re not asking this question about their fellow Men Going Their Own Way and their tendency to blather on and on about the manifold evils of women. No, they’re talking about women and their alleged inability to shut up. And they have some, well, interesting theories to share.

I have a hypothesis that women possess a gland that produces mindless chatter, like the liver produces bile, and if they don’t constantly vent it, it builds up in their system & becomes toxic. The healthy venting of toxic chatter facilitated the invention of cell-phones & texting, allowing women to mindlessly chatter over great distances.

While men appreciate solitude, he explains, women can’t stand it:

In solitude & silence, most men can introspect and, should they come up against his own mortality & the ultimate futility of existence, can conclude, “I will rage against the dying of the light!”

In the same situation, women will be overcome with terror; they literally cannot be alone with their thoughts & will do whatever it takes to distract themselves from thinking about tomorrow, let alone their own mortality.

I should note that, despite the widespread belief that women talk a lot more than men, men and women actually are pretty much equal when it comes to the gift of the gab. The widely cited “fact” that men utter 7,000 words a day while women spout 20,000 seems to be nothing more than an urban myth; several meta-analyses of the actual studies out there suggest that men and women talk about the same amount.

But don’t tell the MGTOWers, because the inherent greater blabbiness of women is a subject they love, love, love to blab about. Here’s Octavian with his own extremely long-winded explanation for this thing that isn’t true:

Us men being men, we can’t think of an existence without some degree of tranquility.

Unfortunately, evolution has denied the understanding of that concept to women. Let us go back to why we men value solitude.It is because we can contemplate higher degrees of thought in that state.Thoughts on cosmic matters, justice,the state of our own lives, the lives of others, or the universe as a whole, can all she evaluated and discussed internally without a single word needing to be spoken.

But apparently thoughts on why women are awful need to be shared publicly, at great length.

Now, lets take a field trip into the mind of a female.Don your protective suits, because even though we’ll keep the trip short your mind might hurt from the experience.

To contemplate what goes on in the head of a woman, the image of an interstellar singularity comes to mind.A woman is biologically unable to comprehend the very thoughts we men prize and , innately ,take for granted.Contemplate a human intellect denied the ability to think, and you have the nature of a woman cornered.She cannot understand justice, she cannot grasp lives outside of her own, and she is unable to identify with any being besides herself.She can think, she can reason, but has no idea what to reason about.

Er, citation needed? Or, rather, ALL THE CITATIONS.

Her mind is therefore a black hole of consumption, materialism, and selfishness. If a woman thinks to herself for long, it’s like a computer trapped in a loop-she doesn’t know why things aren’t right, but she knows mentally what’s happening upstairs isn’t good.Add in this innate emptiness with the general fickle nature of women, and you have a brain incapable of positive reflection when left alone.

Unlike you guys, who obviously think only noble and uplifting and profound thoughts while you are sitting alone at home with your computer, and don’t just sit and stew about how much you hate the ladies.

That’s why us men are so critical for a woman’s mental health-without our centered mental natures, shes like an aircraft with no instruments flying through a thunderstorm, unaware of the mountain looming unseen in the gloom.

Yeah, the men of MGTOWforums are pretty much the epitome of “centered.”

So she has to talk.About SOMETHING .Or shell have to face her own empty nature without the means to understand it.It’s why those surveys say the biggest fear of a woman isn’t death, destitution, or poor health-it is being alone which frightens the female most.

Want to make a woman fall for you?It’s easy.Just distract her from herself as long as you can.The situation is so bleak women would rather be beaten to a pulp by a violent man then face being alone even briefly.

That’s right. He honestly believes that women sign up for domestic violence just so they can have someone to talk to between beatings.

Women can’t do SHIT on their own. They need men to do things for them so they can indulge in consumption, materialism and selfishness.

Just as babies have only one power, crying, women have only one power: talking. You can count pussy/SMV as another power but it’s available to them for only about 20 years max. They talk to get INFORMATION that they can use to manipulate men to get them to do the things noted above.

Ask yourself, can they do anything EXCEPT talk someone into doing real work for them? Regardless of how well she can clean the house, at the end of the day, some MEN built the house and MEN do all of the real maintenance on it. Even with the massive technological advancements, most of the real work that enables modern society to function is done by men.

This is why they hate “the silent treatment.” It deprives them of the only power they have: to interrogate, probe, trade information and push buttons until they get every last bit of information they want & need.

They will NEVER shut up. This would be giving up the only power they have. Why should they bother to think, anyway, when they can talk men into doing all the hard work of thinking and acting on that thinking?

Do men like this actually believe this crap? Women are half the workforce. How exactly does someone go about their life or their career in contemporary America without seeing ample evidence, on a daily basis, of women working as hard as men? Does he live in some weird boys-only STEM clubhouse?

We know that women largely emulate men (they mirror you to get you into a relationship). Women may watch – from a young age – men talking and enjoying the talk between one another. Two grown men. But unknown to her, the men enjoy the chat because they are exchanging ideas and value. To the girl, she sees just chatter. She grows up emulating that, believing that men like chatter.

Because women lack an ability to contribute or do actual work, all chatter for them is without value or weight. All chatter is equal chatter in their mind.

Question here: There has been research — I’m pretty sure — suggesting that when women make up something like 30% of a group, it’s seen as being dominated by women. Or something similar. Does anyone know where I might track down this research?

There was a study a while back (Spender 1979) that showed that when women constitute 30% of the speakers, men feel like they are dominating the conversation and threatening their ability to speak. I think this is pretty relevant to why these blabberfarts think that women talk more than men – because they perceive women talking at all to be too much.

The full title of the article is “Language and Sex Difference” by D. Spender (1979). Couldn’t find the full article online, but it’s cited by this one, which might be helpful (but I only skimmed it, but it seems to cite articles of the type you’re looking for):

The essense of human males is testosterone which demands constant release, like steam in a kettle, usually in the form of either sex or violence or both; when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence; and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional. I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way, but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

The essense of human males is testosterone which demands constant release, like steam in a kettle, usually in the form of either sex or violence or both; when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence; and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional. I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way, but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes, in this case, the women who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him

Even if the rest of your crap made sense/was true, this bit would still be a problem, because MGTOW don’t target their anger at specific women, but at women as a whole. Your theory hinges on it being reasonable for angry men to be unable or unwilling to see women as individuals.

“psychoemotionally” – um, aren’t all emotions psychological by default? I mean, there are physical symptoms of some emotions like anxiety, but still.

I’d love to hear this troll explain why women have testosterone in their bodies but it doesn’t drive women to violence if they don’t get laid. I’m assuming that has to do with the mystical “essense” which just makes me think of the Skexis in “Dark Crystal.” Which is an apt metaphor for MRAs in general.

hahaha Mejas you have to be joking with that bullshit. I know men that either aren’t having sex or lost their virginity much later than what society considers typical, especially for men. Guess what? they happen to be very close friends and wonderful people who have no problems functioning in a civilized manner.

Also, FUCK YOU, for suggesting that all the problems would be solved if these men were to receive a steady stream of sex. Women did not make these men InCel. Their shit personalities did. I didn’t realize “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping” were so fucking traumatizing. Like I have never experienced any of those things, oh wait doesn’t matter I apparently lack the necessary testosterone to fly into a rage. Funny how when a man’s supposed nature prevents him from acting like a rational human being it’s still a woman’s fault. But when a woman’s supposed nature makes her act a certain way, well that’s still her own damn fault.

Mejas thinks that men can be reduced to a single hormone. No thoughts, no feelings, no complex human being, just a single hormone.

Tell me again how these guys are on the side of men and boys?

It almost goes without saying that Mejas also has absolutely no idea how testosterone or any other kind of hormone works. I mean, you might as well blame these guy’s behavior on an excess of black bile.

Mejas,
That’s utter piffle. You make men sound less capable of thought, empathy or self control than a rabid Cocker Spaniel. There is nothing accurate about your claims. You’re repeating the fairytale excuses that douchebag abusers and rapists use. Those fairytales are used to push the blame for men’s bad behavior onto women while also threatening women with violence if they do allow themselves to be treated as sex toys for men. Either you are too lazy to actually learn about human biology or you are personally invested in excusing violent and sexually rapacious men. Which is it?

So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

But then it’s not really about sex, is it, son? It’s about your desire to hurt women.

Testosterone doesn’t “demand” anything. It’s a chemical messenger in the body. That is present in both men and women, BTW.

…usually in the form of either sex or violence or both…;

No. The role of testosterone in aggressive behavior is not well understood:

However, the role of testosterone in facilitating aggres- sion appears to be limited to specific social forms of ag- gression, such as territorial and dominance aggression (e.g. [1]). By contrast, it appears that testosterone is less in- volved in other non-social forms of aggression, such as predatory and anti-predatory aggression [4].
Conversely, physical aggression influences testosterone levels.

…when a man is InCel, like these guys, the sex option is gone, so there’s only violence…;

Based on a totally flawed and incorrect understanding of what testosterone is and how it works. But whatever, lets pick this apart. So men’s only two responses to life are sex or violence? That’s a really good argument for locking all men away, somewhere far from society, where they can no longer hurt others or themselves. And compulsory masturbation for men, to release all that harmful testosterone mojo.

…and what variety of violence is based on the individual man’s circumstances, in this case, cyberviolence online. And violence is of course directed against one’s own foes,in this case, the women…

If we’re talking about violence based on mating, wouldn’t a heterosexual man’s foes be other men who are competing for women?

…who made the man InCel in the first place by either rejecting him or traumatizing him (nagging, cuckoldry, dumping,etc) so much that he became fundamentally damaged and thus psychoemotionally dysfunctional.

Ah, I see. Women are always to blame, either by not sleeping with a man on demand, regardless of her preferences or feelings; or by “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping, etc.” So, basically, all the pitfalls of being in a relationship with another complex human being (you might get dumped; your partner might cheat on you; I’m not touching “nagging” because that’s such a broad an ill-defined term that in this context is basically “women have expectation of there partners and vocalize this expectations”). And of course, “nagging, cuckoldry, dumping” are so terribly traumatizing to men that they immediately renounce half of humanity in response to experiencing them; but not so to women, who also, in the course of relationships with fellow complex human beings, will experience the same.

I dont doubt that deep down these men really want to go rheir own way….,

No, they don’t want to go their own way. If they did, they would have done it already. And they wouldn’t be obsessing about women so much. There would be actual leaders in the MGTOW community who would be helping newbies over their obsession with women, so they could go their own way. There’s not.

…but they simply cant transcend the limitations of their biological nature.

Because all complex human behavior and social interaction can be reduced to biological drives in such a way that conveniently upholds the status quo! Science!

So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

So according to Mejas, men need to release testosterone all the time … yet apparently they don’t release any when they wank. Which is odd, ‘cos you’d think a tosser like him would be releasing it constantly.

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