Then again, if you goto Grande Cache, AB where they removed half a mountain to get at the coal, you can't tell where they did it either. And of course they're removing the other half of another mountain right now, with two more being planned. I should have taken some pictures while I was there but I was a bit busy at the time.

--"For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong." --H.L. Mencken

Beamer wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 15:46:Due to mining there's no such thing as "clean" coal. Yeah, you can burn it quicker, but a drive through Kentucky can be horrifying as to how we get it. The damage we do there is nuts.

But yeah, thumbs up to nuclear. Sensational journalism during the Japan disaster really set it back.

Mining coal isn't the cleanest, but having lived near a major coal mine for awhile out in Alberta there are ways to keep the problems down. Then again where there were coal mines, you can't tell the difference between nature and were humans were either. Same with oil and tar sand removal out there. Ahh Alberta, where oil naturally seeps right into the rivers, and if you need a quick fix for a leaky roof you simply find a natural tar spring that seeps into the river and go get it.

oh ya hard to tell where man has been and where he hasn't in alberta. damn albortians, should be shipped off to texass where you belong.

Beamer wrote on Mar 19, 2013, 15:46:Due to mining there's no such thing as "clean" coal. Yeah, you can burn it quicker, but a drive through Kentucky can be horrifying as to how we get it. The damage we do there is nuts.

But yeah, thumbs up to nuclear. Sensational journalism during the Japan disaster really set it back.

Mining coal isn't the cleanest, but having lived near a major coal mine for awhile out in Alberta there are ways to keep the problems down. Then again where there were coal mines, you can't tell the difference between nature and were humans were either. Same with oil and tar sand removal out there. Ahh Alberta, where oil naturally seeps right into the rivers, and if you need a quick fix for a leaky roof you simply find a natural tar spring that seeps into the river and go get it.

--"For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong." --H.L. Mencken

Too bad the majority of environmentalists are also against the cleaner technologies, like nuclear. Or against safer reactor designs to replace aging and first generation reactors. And they're against retrofitting existing and old power plants to make them cleaner. Hell here in Ontario we just had the government gut and kill natural gas power plants to appease nimby's and environmentalists(in a vote buying scheme), while shutting down a coal power plant -- which the same environmentalists protested hard against retrofitting to make cleaner. All the while, trying to upsell windmills and solar panels which have been driving the price of hydro up. As fun as that is, Ontario is projected to be the most expensive place in North America for power by 2016.

--"For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong." --H.L. Mencken

Good article. Yes, 'feel good' ideals that comprises the populist environmental movement is narcissistic in that it's frequently about appearance and lacking substance. We need cleaner technologies to replace the dirty ones.