I, for one, welcome our new Weed Snob culture leaders -- where except for Wal*mart or the warehouse stores, you have a Sommelier Ganja telling you that you could never show your face in church again if you offered that cheap brand you were thinking of buying.

skinink:Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue. Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

Burr:skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue. Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".

JohnnyRebel88:Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue. Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".

If the trains are to run on time, somebody has to service those engineers!

skinink:Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

JohnnyRebel88:Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue. Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".

Well he wouldn't want people to think he was a lowly data entry schlub.

MayoSlather:JohnnyRebel88: Burr: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

Of course, you can really blame the insurance companies for this issue. Random drug tests mean cheaper insurance rates.

I like how you felt the need to include that you were in "engineering services though".

Well he wouldn't want people to think he was a lowly data entry schlub.

jaylectricity:13. Isn't weed already legal in Portugal? How is Uruguay the first country in the world to legalize it?

Possession of small quantities of weed is decriminalized in Portugal, not legalized. There's a little bit of a difference. If you're caught with weed, you are summoned to a panel that can make non-binding treatment recommendations.

skinink:Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Why? Put a snack food machine in the break room and watch the money roll in.

/Currently, companies with drug-using employees have to worry about said employee being in jail on possession instead of at their desk come Monday morning. If it were legal, many would just treat it like alcohol -- don't show up to work stoned, and don't use it on the job. Of course, some would still test on hiring to weed out (so to speak) the applicants for a job.

skinink:Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

If they can test to see if someones under the influence of POT while at work, then I will agree with you - but for now you can't test it, only see if someone has smoked in the previous few days/weeks.Difference is Alcohol can be tested on the spot with a breath test, unless they can do that for POT then most companies will not hire you. Again because of liability issues.

Burr:skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

I worked for a company of about 500 people that did mostly data entry (I was in engineering services though). They had a suggestion box and somebody put in "Random drug tests".

The owner of the company came out and said "We don't care what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't effect your work". He probably know that if he did, most of his high school educated workforce would fail.

He could have periodically handed out a sheets that said things like "Please circle five effects of mescaline" or "Name all the states where marijuana is legal." At the end of the year, give a prize to the person with the most right answers. Everyone is happy that way.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"? It's ridiculous.

As far as the US, it will take several years of the states where it's legal showing that they've not become nightmarish wastelands of lawlessness and addiction. I think 2020 is a bit optimistic but not too far off - maybe mid-late 2020's before the Overton window on on federal legalization shifts.

3 G's:Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"? It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.

3 G's:Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"? It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

Yeah, but marijuana needs to be held to a higher standard. It needs to be perfectly innocuous at high dosages, cure cancer, and have no dangers to children with habitual usage. Furthermore it's also scary because it makes you feel good, and we all know how dangerous that is to a puritanistic capitalist society. If people just run around feeling good all the time they won't be motivated to work as hard, and thus we'll all starve.

snocone:3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"? It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.

I've worked with tweakers, crackheads, alcoholics, pill junkies, potheads, and drug free people. I'd hire (and have, by the way) the pothead over ANY person in any of the aforementioned groups, and that includes the drug free people. Drug Free People, for the most part, are the laziest people working -- see the average state road crew cause they're all drug free (some are tested weekly). Almost every drug free worker (by choice, not court) was a crappy worker, took more breaks, usually less skilled, slow and fat, and I even caught one taking a nap in his truck. Tweakers and crackheads are too busy sneaking off to do a bump or a line, or just scoping out shiat to steal when they break in an hour after work. Alcoholics are useless for the first hour or two when their hungover, and useless for the last hour or two when they start getting the shakes, but they're usually good workers during the in-between. Pill poppers are like the alcoholics without the hangover or like the T's & C's sneakin and stealin. Potheads, on the other hand, know that they're doing an illegal drug and therefore work harder so they stand out in a good way. Potheads also know that THC stays in their system for a long time so they're usually safer (an injury is an instant drug test at most places).

While that's all personal, anecdotal evidence, its been true at every job I've worked or every person I've hired. Hell, my second question when hiring is if they'll pass a piss test -- if yes then they're most likely not gonna be hired, if no, then only a hire if it's for weed. The first question is what experience do you have. No point in the 2nd question if they have no experience, unless I need a laborer for a day or two. While I let my standards drop a bit for the day or two grunt workers, I won't hire tweakers, crackheads, or pill poppers, but I'll make an exception for drunks and lazy asses.

In three years America will be 75% in favor of weed, particularly when statistics emerge from Colorado and Washington which basically only have to state "Things didn't get much worse". This is about millions and millions of dollars and getting elected anywhere on the basis that you agree with most people. Alot of you are like "yeah but I have doubts". As a twenty year every day pot smoker you guys are the absolute friggen worst. It's cool to drink yourself to death and slap each other on the backs dying at 55 when your liver says no-more (not cool I saw it up close) but you knew a guy who got fired over a random drug test so maybe the world had best wait for some perfect condition to take a closer look at how we do things.

jaylectricity:snocone: 3 G's: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

That's not true at all. Alcohol is a drug, and employers don't care if you drink on your own time, as long as you don't come to work drunk. It's going to take a few years for the culture to change, but it will happen.

Add to that caffeine, nicotine, NSAIDs, allergy medications, sleep aids.....most people use multiple drugs weekly, if not daily.

Every one of the drugs you and I listed can kill you from overdose, and most can cause other, serious, deleterious effects in users at higher doses. In the case of heavy tobacco users, their performance can seriously decline after a few hours without a cigarette: yet some would single out Cannabis consumers as "druggies"? It's ridiculous.

Very few people in this Country can truly claim to be "drug free".

NOBODY, exactly nobody.Floride in yer water counts as does iodine in yer salt.

Misconduc:skinink: Doesn't matter if it's legal if a lot of work places won't hire people who use any drugs.

Yeah I'd like to tell Walmart something about that, they are farking idiots. Back when I was 17 I wanted a part time job stocking shelves at walmart, I went in for the interview on a friday afternoon. Boss said yer hired! get a drug test and you can start tuesday.No clinic was open on Saturday or Sunday, and Monday was a Holiday... Guess what happens if you cant get a drug test in 72 hours? Sorry! don't apply at walmart for 6 months.

I laugh at all the potheads who think they can miss clear and get away with it, it works great until you get "fired" for drugs, most companies won't even go near you because you are a liability.

/On a funny note, I was a cable installer a few years ago making $800 a week cash, after 4 months they did random drug testing on everyone, my department went from 13 installers and 2 technicians to 2 installers and 2 technicians, 11 people fired for having drugs in their system.//wouldn't you if you would spend 8 hours digging? on the plus side I became a senior technician not even 6 months of working there :)

We'll deserved. I don't want any potheads working for me. You can do it on your "personal time", but the truth is that effects longer for days, and are cumulative.