This is a discussion on What is your play with AKo in this situation within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; so last night Im playing live; I get moved tables with 40000 behind me the blinds are 300-600 with a 50 ante.
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so last night Im playing live; I get moved tables with 40000 behind me the blinds are 300-600 with a 50 ante.
I get dealt AKo utg and raise it 1500, this kid mid position re-raises to 3500 his stack is similar to mine. This kid in the cut off goes all in for his 19000, what is your play as the title says and why? The blinds at this point are going up every 20 mins

#2

2nd February 2014, 6:52 AM

Propane Goat [3,120]

Game: GOAT

I think calling here and expecting to see a flop without putting your whole stack in the middle is most likely out of the question.

Since you have no reads I would lean toward folding here, if you're up against two weaker Aces it's still a flip and if either or both of the villains has a PP it's a lot worse than that. I really dislike getting into 3-way all-ins pre-flop with AK, it's hard enough to win when you're up against just one villain.

#3

2nd February 2014, 6:57 AM

jj20002 [778]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

if you are not sure fold, otherwise make a 3bet and see what happens, but if you think you are behind or in a flip and donīt want to risk just fold and avoid any further tough decisions, if you just call is expecting to hit the ace or king in the flop but he still could have aces so better decision is to fold or if you have a good feeling then reraise

#4

2nd February 2014, 7:02 AM

hffjd2000 [2,330]

Poker at: fulltilt

Game: holdem

Definitely I will fold here. The mid position will surely call. I think the win rate of AK with 2 opponents is <40%. Different story if I have just one opponent though

#5

2nd February 2014, 7:28 AM

abzdolc [142]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: Holdem

only 2 hands- AA and KK better then our, and we blocked both of them %.
that's why the most strong hand, which has opp - QQ or QA and we have to re-raise him. I think this way

#6

2nd February 2014, 8:43 AM

konatus [226]

Poker at: PS/FTP/Party

Game: STT

re: Poker & What is your play with AKo in this situation

I would fold the AK becasuse after a raise and a re-raise the AK is not so good. I prefer fold and watch what is happening and try to get more chips in better spot.

What is the hands that you think they have? How much times is better than their range?

#7

2nd February 2014, 10:19 AM

RamdeeBen [7,747]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: Mixed Games

Reads on the player with the same stack size that 3B us here going to be helpful in our decision. The short stack who shoved is irrelevant here, he can be shoving a wider range as it's going to be a good spot for him to do so so we can expect to be flipping at worse vs him.

Flatting is out of the question imo vs the big stack, it's going to be either a 4B shove or fold dependant on info on the player.

#8

2nd February 2014, 10:24 AM

el_magiciann [1,787]

Poker at: FTP

Game: Hold'em

If you have good feeling about your opponent hand which still has to decide what to do, you can re raise, if you feel he has better hand then you should fold and save some money, indeed if you miss the flop that wont be good too.

#9

2nd February 2014, 10:41 AM

DonV73 [673]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

Game: NLHE,PLO,+

If I dont have AA or KK on the UTG, and I ran into a 4bet shove, I would fold there. If the CO does have AA or KK you are way behind with AK. And since you don't have a read on anyone yet, it makes even more sense to fold.
If you have good reads you might reraise and fold against aggression, but at least never call.

It's ok, you just lost 2,5bb and still have 64bb left. Better to wait for a better spot imo.

Fold it. Your OOP AK plays poorly in a 3way pot. Live to fight another day.

#12

2nd February 2014, 2:18 PM

Arjonius [3,167]

re: Poker & What is your play with AKo in this situation

Seems like a fold. Not instant, but not agonizing either.

The CO isn't a short stack; he shoved over 30bb. So without a solid read to the contrary, I'm assuming his range is pretty strong.

As for MP, he 3bet after I opened from UTG, so while his range is wider, it rates to be quite strong too.

Not a spot where I choose to gamble my tournament life when I can fold and still have a very healthy stack.

#13

2nd February 2014, 2:25 PM

rodrigoudf [295]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

Game: Hold'em

I would fold and wait for a better spot, AK to raise and re-raise is not as reliable

#14

2nd February 2014, 7:50 PM

cracksniper [163]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

I love this site you are all so helpful also we help each other, I've often heard the best way to learn is to teach others! I folded this hand in the end after so much consideration, I like the 'wait for a better spot' line, thank you for all your support you are the best teachers in the poker world.

#15

3rd February 2014, 12:45 PM

cracksniper [163]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

also I would like to say that the shove showed a bluff and the reraiser folded as well. Apparently they knew how each other played and the shover said he only did this because he knew the re-raiser was 'at it'.

#16

3rd February 2014, 1:12 PM

Akorps [450]

Poker at: Intertops

Game: Omaha hi-lo

Like to play short stack to avoid situations like that

#17

3rd February 2014, 1:52 PM

PokahAA [342]

Online Poker at: FTP , BCP

Game: holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by cracksniper

so last night Im playing live; I get moved tables with 40000 behind me the blinds are 300-600 with a 50 ante.
I get dealt AKo utg and raise it 1500, this kid mid position re-raises to 3500 his stack is similar to mine. This kid in the cut off goes all in for his 19000, what is your play as the title says and why? The blinds at this point are going up every 20 mins

Same situation yesterday for me.
I raised 3bb i was reraised to all in , i make call.
Turn KKA . FLOP 7 , River 8
He/She goes all-in with TT .
I won the pot.

#18

4th February 2014, 7:18 PM

aznman08 [357]

Poker at: Bovada

Game: Holdem

re: Poker & What is your play with AKo in this situation

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20002

if you are not sure fold, otherwise make a 3bet and see what happens, but if you think you are behind or in a flip and donīt want to risk just fold and avoid any further tough decisions, if you just call is expecting to hit the ace or king in the flop but he still could have aces so better decision is to fold or if you have a good feeling then reraise

We can't just raise to see what happens here, you need to be absolutely sure you want to get the chips in. Reads are helpful in this situation. Original 3bettor has a similar stack size to us and a re-raise is all in which can likely go 3-way here.

#19

4th February 2014, 7:32 PM

DaBrowner [65]

Online Poker at: Carbon Poker

Game: Holdem

I would fold AKo to a 3 bet of all in, you can find a better spot to get that much money in.

#20

4th February 2014, 8:22 PM

crusinnn [421]

Poker at: PS,FT

Game: holdem

Agreed with everyone advise. IMO I won't raise Ak if I just moved to a table especially OOP. Reason is because I need to see how the other players play or atleast get a read on them, if I don't do this I would run into situation just like this so the best thing is to avoid them. Most likely i fold watch and wait till I get into position or unless I bump into aa.

#21

5th February 2014, 3:18 PM

Carl Trooper [3,040]

Online Poker at: My Mind

Game: NL Hold 'Em

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propane Goat

I think calling here and expecting to see a flop without putting your whole stack in the middle is most likely out of the question.

Since you have no reads I would lean toward folding here, if you're up against two weaker Aces it's still a flip and if either or both of the villains has a PP it's a lot worse than that. I really dislike getting into 3-way all-ins pre-flop with AK, it's hard enough to win when you're up against just one villain.

I agree on some aspects of the 3 way AK all in I do not favor, esp with 66 BB. You are way to deep to be flipping at this point.

This is a really tough spot. If you jam and the similar stack calls, expect him to flip JJ+ every time here.

By just calling the 19k, it shows the other big stack player you aren't messing around and have a hand. I think 30-50% of the time I just flat here and hope he folds and AK wins. 50% of the time I am also folding knowing I have barely anything invested with a player to act behind who showed strength earlier.

Again, over 60 BB, that is a LOT of play left. Why get it in guessing?

#22

6th February 2014, 1:38 AM

magicius [1,822]

Poker at: most of them

Game: Draw

Quote:

Originally Posted by abzdolc

only 2 hands- AA and KK better then our, and we blocked both of them %.
that's why the most strong hand, which has opp - QQ or QA and we have to re-raise him. I think this way

How do you mean only 2 hands are better? Every pocket pair is better than ak... 22 beats ak if they dont come on flop...

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#23

15th February 2014, 8:13 PM

kmichaels [156]

I would make a move only if i know the handīs range of my opponents. Sometimes going all in with AK itīs a pretty nice option but other times itīs not because of the hand range of your opponent. If you know that he would go all in only with a monster then folding itīs by far the only and the best option.Other way, if he shoves with anything then shoving and gamble a little bit itīs a very good option.

#24

15th February 2014, 8:20 PM

dhix [22]

Poker at: Pokerstars

re: Poker & What is your play with AKo in this situation

I have no luck with AK , everytime i have to fold because AK is a bad bet .