I thought the Remingtons where produced for them by DPMS which is owned also by the same company that owns Bushmaster

The R15's look like bushmasters and the R25's look like DPMS guns when held side by side not accounting for the cammo finish or barrel length differences. Remington bought bushmaster and the same company that owns (or did own) Remington owns DPMS and IIRC Marlin. So they're all in cahoots!

can't be any worse than Colt and the junk they have been putting out for the last 20 years or so.

I'm no great fan of the AR but the BCM and LMT's that i have fired are very nice, reliable rifles and probably the only ones i would buy or want to use... especially in combat conditions. too bad one of them didn't get the contract.

can't be any worse than Colt and the junk they have been putting out for the last 20 years or so.

I'm no great fan of the AR but the BCM and LMT's that i have fired are very nice, reliable rifles and probably the only ones i would buy or want to use... especially in combat conditions. too bad one of them didn't get the contract.

LMT couldn't or wouldn't match $666 FOB they went for.

LMT should have got it but remington/cerbus- whatever is much-much BIGGER. i would guess that quite a bit of political grease was spread around certain people to make sure remington got the deal.

much of the time with DOD contracts it is all about WHO gets the money. what the dod is buying is totally secondary.

i would laugh--but it is sad in a way.

no reason remington can't make a good m4 for $666 IF they want to. i just hope they don't get the "save a nickle here and dime there itus-- as all wall-street banked firms do. PSA,DSA or del-ton could make a very good m4 for that.

my guess it they go over budget and cut corners as this whole deal is about PROFITS.

the entire m4 nomenclature was to make sure colt got the contract. otherwise it would have been m16-3 or some such bs.

From what I understand as soon as Cerberus created "Freedom Group" to own 2/3rds of the US gun industry they started closing the old plants and moving production to Remington's Ilion, NY location. In the case of Marlin, they fired all the old school employees who knew how to make a Marlin levergun work and turned it over to their CNC whizkids. Go to any forum with Marlin owners on it and most will not touch what they call a "Remlin" gun as they are cosmetically deficient and don't work. Used Marlin prices have climbed and "Marlin" has "temporarily suspended product delivery" until they can "get production levels ramped up to meet demand".

As far as Bushmaster goes, my Buddy bought one of their MForgery clones in a carbon fiber model. I didn't bother to find out what part was out of spec, but the rear takedown pin at full extension out the side was still engaged with the upper. We forced them apart and a good 1/8" or more of pin is sticking into the receiver opening. My best guess is they drilled the detent hole in the wrong spot.

From what I understand as soon as Cerberus created "Freedom Group" to own 2/3rds of the US gun industry they started closing the old plants and moving production to Remington's Ilion, NY location. In the case of Marlin, they fired all the old school employees who knew how to make a Marlin levergun work and turned it over to their CNC whizkids. Go to any forum with Marlin owners on it and most will not touch what they call a "Remlin" gun as they are cosmetically deficient and don't work. Used Marlin prices have climbed and "Marlin" has "temporarily suspended product delivery" until they can "get production levels ramped up to meet demand".

As far as Bushmaster goes, my Buddy bought one of their MForgery clones in a carbon fiber model. I didn't bother to find out what part was out of spec, but the rear takedown pin at full extension out the side was still engaged with the upper. We forced them apart and a good 1/8" or more of pin is sticking into the receiver opening. My best guess is they drilled the detent hole in the wrong spot.

I pity the poor grunt saddled with a "RemBush" M4.

Cerberus--thats them. previously know for importing inferior auto parts from china and boxing them up and selling as known US brands!

many rem guns are now outsourced to various places throughout the world, all places known for bad steel, little or no heat treating , poor finish and inferior metal work. probably the same places their auto parts come from.

not exactly places with a tradition of firearms craftsmanship to say the least.

and the DOD is paying them top dollar too. too bad some privately owned place didn't get the job.

i bet some cushy congressman walks away with a bag of loot!

he'll probably give himself a pat on the back then go on a long vacation---