Sox Rebuilding, Seek Huge Return For John Danks

The White Sox are looking for a "Ubaldo Jimenez package" in return for John Danks, an executive told ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter link). The Rockies' haul for Jimenez at this year's trade deadline consisted of four pitching prospects, including two former first-rounders in Drew Pomeranz and Alex White. However, Jimenez was still under team control for two-plus seasons when the Indians acquired him, while Danks' contract expires at the end of 2012.

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Referring to the Santos trade, GM Kenny Williams told reporters (including Knobler): "It is the start of a rebuilding … And you guys know I have not used that word in 12 years."

Ha… I love Danks, but if they expect to get what Colorado got for Ubaldo, Kenny’s nuts. Jimenez was moved to a team desperate for an ace type at the trade deadline. Danks has never shown the ability to really step up and be an ace, and let’s face it, you just don’t get as much in December as you do in July.

One year of Danks, who’s getting paid around $8MM versus 2 1/2 years, minimum, of Jimenez, who will make about $11.4MM during that time. With Felix and CC in the league, Jimenez doesn’t figure to hit his CY salary bumps, either. You have to figure that Jimenez voids his 2014 option, but still…this isn’t even comparable.

i really hope alexei ramirez is moved too. he’s got some value, and a moderate contract. i think he stinks, way overrated, he’s not focused enough to be a field leader at shortstop. plus, he can’t drive in runs from 3rd with less than 2 outs to save his life

do you follow the white sox? i would love to know what kind of mythical drug you are on because you my friend must be in possession one of the greatest narcotics known to man. He is a one of the top 10 shortstops in MLB how you can possibly say he does not have the focus to be a shortstop is idiotic..he has a .283 hitter, avgs 18 HRs, 72RBIs and 13 steals.. please dont speak anymore..

I am officially done rooting for the White Sox until Kenny is fired. Does anyone else in Chicago realize he still has his “all in” team in tact minus Juan Pierre? Why the hell wouldn’t you give all in one more shot, with a couple of bench upgrades, or hey how about we give Viciedo a shot. Dunn and Rios can’t possibly have any worse of a year as last. Morel has a year under his belt. The pitching wasn’t really the problem. But instead KW is going to blow this team up and try and do something new? I don’t get it. I am very frustrated with the Santos move and the team apparently having no loyalty to one of the faces of the franchise, in Buerhle.

I live in Chicago and completely agree. The White Sox, as much as the media denies it, are still a contender on paper even without Buerhle. If anything, they are better with Pierre gone and Viciedo getting a shot in LF. With all of their talent, you have to believe that at least one of Beckham, Dunn, and Rios rebound and it is not a horrible gamble to say that 2 or all 3 of them rebound next season. That fixes the majority of Chicago’s problems right there. However, here’s my idea and I’m sure it will have some negative feedback.

Sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3b with a similar contract to what Buehrle would have cost and possibly package Morel in a deal that helps the team elsewhere. Before people shoot it down, hear me out. Aramis Ramirez repeatedly shot down the Cubs ability to trade him because he wanted to stay in Chicago with his family and keep them settled. He is only leaving now because his contract is up and he wants to play for a contender, which he doesn’t believe the Cubs are building in the near future. If the White Sox had Aramis in their lineup , it would be one of the most powerful lineups in baseball. This lineup is definitely the most powerful in the Central. It needs a leadoff hitter, but maybe packaging Alex Rios and Brett Morel could land them one?

At this point in their careers, Sale and Stewart have more upside than Buehrle, possibly Floyd. Danks is not likely coming back, so it’s a consideration of whether he’ll be a Type A, and what compensation they can get for letting him walk, or getting something for him now. Best guess is KW waits until the trading deadline, hoping someone will overpay, also checking to see if the Sox will be in the race. The AL central always has, and will continue to be, winnable.

I live in Chicago and completely agree. The White Sox, as much as the media denies it, are still a contender on paper even without Buerhle. If anything, they are better with Pierre gone and Viciedo getting a shot in LF. With all of their talent, you have to believe that at least one of Beckham, Dunn, and Rios rebound and it is not a horrible gamble to say that 2 or all 3 of them rebound next season. That fixes the majority of Chicago’s problems right there. However, here’s my idea and I’m sure it will have some negative feedback.

Sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3b with a similar contract to what Buehrle would have cost and possibly package Morel in a deal that helps the team elsewhere. Before people shoot it down, hear me out. Aramis Ramirez repeatedly shot down the Cubs ability to trade him because he wanted to stay in Chicago with his family and keep them settled. He is only leaving now because his contract is up and he wants to play for a contender, which he doesn’t believe the Cubs are building in the near future. If the White Sox had Aramis in their lineup , it would be one of the most powerful lineups in baseball. This lineup is definitely the most powerful in the Central. It needs a leadoff hitter, but maybe packaging Alex Rios and Brett Morel could land them one?

Yeah, I’d sorta rather see them TRY this season. It’s possible Dunn has a big bounce back and Rios stops being terrible. Having those two perform like they should makes that lineup much better. The pitching would be a little lackluster without Buerhle (whom they should re-sign). But if they re-signed Buerhle, a Buerhle-Danks-floyd-Peavy-Sale rotation looks above-average.
The team has the pieces, but dealing Santos leaves a hole at closer that I’m not sure they can fill with anyone they have, other than a rather untested Reed, or a bleh Frasor. Here’s hoping the Sox either completely blow this thing up, or stop now.
Of course, if KW can get a solid return for Danks, I suppose the rotation can be effective if they sign another SP and hope Humber/Stewart can be a 4th/5th starter.

It is clear he is posturing for the best deal possible. The fact that so many people here take everything said so literal while claiming to be knowledgeable about baseball is ridiculous.

Everyone wants to say KW is a horrible exec,m but MANY people were picking the White Sox to win the division last year. Now things went bad and you all want to jump ship and start with the front running.

The guy ran the team that had the 4th highest payroll in the majors, has the worst farm system in the majors and finished below .500. If that’s not enough reason to call him a “horrible exec” nothing ever will be for you.

Worst farm system is subjective and can vary greatly from year to year. He built a team MANY people thought could win the division and the players didn’t perform, that’s on more than just him. It’s on the manager and players as well.

I’m not saying he is the greatest, but this “horrible” thing is a bit of a stretch.

I don’t think it’s a stretch at all. Kenny Williams is easily and by far the worst GM in baseball.
The guy hasn’t made anything close to an intelligent trade since 06 and his farm system is ranked as dead last by Baseball Prospectus, Baseball America and Hardball Times.

The players didn’t perform because as a whole, he brought in bad players and had nothing on the farm to back them up if something didn’t work out.
Rios, Beckham, AJ, Pierre, Peavy…………..

Am i the only one who read that we have been in contact with Aaron Rowand?
idk about any of you but if im rebuilding i dont want Aaron Rowand anywere near my team…some of the things people say on here blow my mind.. rios and morel for a leadoff hitter? we might be able to trade those 2 for a fungo bat a bucket of balls and a pack of big league chew, while eatting 85-90% of the owed salary.. A-Ram? yeah sure lets just toss more money to aging players thats a great idea while were at it, i think willy mo pena is still available and maybe we can trade for barry zito to replace buerhle.. And if Dunn starts sucking balls again maybe resign Manny we all know how KW loves bringing guys back for a 2nd tour after he lets them go…seriously can some of you people think about what your saying before you post it.

Am i the only one who read that we have been in contact with Aaron Rowand?
idk about any of you but if im rebuilding i dont want Aaron Rowand anywere near my team…some of the things people say on here blow my mind.. rios and morel for a leadoff hitter? we might be able to trade those 2 for a fungo bat a bucket of balls and a pack of big league chew, while eatting 85-90% of the owed salary.. A-Ram? yeah sure lets just toss more money to aging players thats a great idea while were at it, i think willy mo pena is still available and maybe we can trade for barry zito to replace buerhle.. And if Dunn starts sucking balls again maybe resign Manny we all know how KW loves bringing guys back for a 2nd tour after he lets them go…seriously can some of you people think about what your saying before you post it.

This is easy enough to test. Their average game scores for 2011 were nearly identical – 50.77 for Jackson, 50.67 for Danks. The average standard deviation for Danks was 18.61, much higher than Jackson’s 15.6. This suggests that Jackson was actually more consistent than Danks
last year.

Danks had a rough 2011. If you look at his prior track record, he, in my opinion, is a much better option than E Jax. However, Jackson would be cheaper, and provide the Yanks with some much needed rotation help.

The only reason we need Aaron for a 4th outfielder is if we over-deplete the one we have. Rios, Viciedo, Quentin, DeAza, and Lillibridge are all on the roster. (Please don’t tell me Lilli is an infielder, he is MUCH better defensively in the outfield, and can play all 3 spots). So we can trade CQ, and play DeAza, Rios, and Viciedo L to R. Now, if we can get somebody to take Rios and pay even half his salary, then we need another OF, but why not just keep CQ in left?