Contributed by NicholasPell. Posted by aubin on Thursday, August 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM (EDT)

Just over a month after their punk list, Los Angeles Weekly has put together a hardcore list. It's pretty obvious linkbait, but the response to their last list almost guaranteed that they'd do another one and that we'd post it.

Some OK picks, some weird ones. A lot of obvious ones that always wind up on these sorts of lists but I do have some questions:

Why are the Minutemen on here? Where's Negative Approach? No Circle Jerks. I love that ATDI album, but if I'd have to classify it, it would be more in the post-punk realm if anything. Converge is overrated and so is that album. Poison Idea is better than most of these bands anyways.

The Minutemen wrote short, fast songs for SST. Sure, they hybridized harcore with other genres--but if that takes them out of the running, then Bad Brains are outta there, too--as are most of the later-era bands.

I'd put Rites of Spring higher; I think people get off easy when they rely on Complete Discography for Minor Threat -- it came out seven years after they broke up, idk; the Faith/Void split should probably be on there; Dicks, Big Boys stuff is better than The Bronx; if Germs are on there then I'd argue for AVAIL. Avail is the best ever.

As a compilation I don't think it should count. They could easily pick a single Minor Threat release and just call it a day, b/c Minor Threat definitely belongs on this list. It gets a little confusing when the 'Minor Threat' LP is actually a comp of the 1st two EPs, though, and Out of Step as an LP probably doesn't deserve to make the list OVER the original Minor Threat LP, even though they're both excellent.

For a band whose recorded output was relatively small and consisted of mostly shorter works, I think it's fair to include the complete discography--especially since it is sold as a single disc and is the most easily obtainable work in the band's catalogue.

Would be nice to see the Faith/Void split, but if we're opening the door to multi-band releases, I think Flex Your Head would probably win that battle. Besides, as long as we're adding Dischord bands, where's GI?

I really agree with you about Complete Discography but I guess I just feel like it misrepresents what the band's output was like. I mean, it is an oeuvre and it has themes and it evolves it plays great as one disc, but that neglects the thought they put into each release and the context/reasoning behind EP-length independent releases at that time. And EPs deserve just as much respect as LPs in Top lists or in general.

i gotta admit, i was pretty disappointed by the faith/void split. i definitely preferred faith's subject to change over their contribution to the split, and in a lot of ways liked void's stuff from 'complete sessions' too.

Totally agree. ATDI doesn't belong on it at all, but otherwise it's a pretty good list. Out of pure preference, I would have definitely swapped a few out for Avail, Snapcase, and Circle Jerks. And if Converge gets a spot, I would have thrown Calculating Infinity and We Are the Romans on there as well.

Wow, I just went to their justifications. They have dramatically overstated the cultural impact of ATDI. One Armed Scissor received "immense"radio play? The album would go on to become of the years most beloved in any genre? Considering that probably less than 1% of the country has ever even heard of the band, I"m thinking that's a bit of a stretch.

One-Armed scissor was in Guitar Hero, so that's something. BarleyPat def has a point, though--when I play ATDI for a Mars Volta fan, she or he usually responds with something along the lines of, "WTF is this noise?"

Precisely my point, not only did those 90's hardcore bands(Snapcase, Earth Crisis, Avail, Strife, Dag Nasty) pick up the torch when the first generation of hardcore bands quit but there would be no ATDI, Bronx, Refused, etc without that next wave of hardcore.

They almost seem to be over-compensating their regional bias by leaving off some key LA/California bands (Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, Social Distortion, Adolescents, etc) and adding really some crap NYC ones (Agnostic Front? Youth of Today? Seriously?). At least they included the first Bronx album.

I haven't listened to Social D enough to say anything definitive (because, as you know, anything that I say is not opinion but biblical Fact), but I've never heard anything by them that I would consider hardcore.

And the Adolescents fall into that gray area that most people here would call hardcore but I would probably just call punk, or even pop-punk.

Agnostic Front's Victim in Pain is far more influential than anything the Bronx ever put out or will put out. The dudes in the Bronx will be the first ones to tell you that. AF deserve to be in the top 20, if not top 10. Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Cro-Mags get the same nod as well.

I think Twilight by the Suicide File is way better than The Bronx's debut in terms of the hardcore punk n' roll sound (and it was released several months before the Bronx I to boot!). I dunno if it was more influential, but it sure does rip.

i agree that they desire a spot on the list, and definitely as high as they are but 2 Bad Brains releases? that and the obvious ATDI complaint are the only real problems I had with the list. One of those spots should have gone to American Nightmare's Background Music. The Shape of Punk to Come being left off seemed a little odd to me as well

Gotta say I agree with the vast majority of the comments here.
Definitely the first Adolescents, Group Sex, and probably Fresh Fruit...

And I will throw this out for discussion.

Earth A.D.???

That Bronx album is good but it does no way deserve to be on there. (of COURSE ATDI doesn't either, that should go without saying) but I would definitely consider (over the aforementioned)... Black Sails in the sunset. I prefer Shut Your Mouth.... but Black Sails was just a bit different and probably more influential.

Yes, Fresh Fruit should also be on here, good point (or Frankenchrist, but that's like splitting hairs). Black Sails was excellent, as was Operation Phoenix, if not top 20 material, top 30. Sick of it All isn't my cup of tea, but based on the opinions of people who like that kinda hardcore, you could make a case.

If you're going DK, I think Bedtime is more the hardcore record of the discography. And it's not DK's strongest work. Perhaps the better choice with the same political edge as DK but is truly a hardcore record thru and thru, as mentioned up thread is MDC's s/t LP. It, along with Group Sex came in my Punk Rock starter kit; their exclusion is laughable. Earth AD. Yep. Always amazed at how well it has held up. Some argue it's the earliest crossover record but I think COC's Eye For An Eye is more so. However, either one, both great hardcore records in their own right, would also work to explain how metal got into the mix. AF didn't birth crossover on its own.

Fuel for the Hate Game > Relationship of Command
Ill Blood > Chemistry of Common Life
We're Down Till We're Underground > Bronx I
Suffer > Bad Brains S/T
Black Flag is godawful and doesn't deserve top spot. Same with Youth of Today... that shit is goofy as hell.