my 5850 was over twice as fast as my 4850 in crysis. I hope the 6850 is twice as fast as the 5850 but that is a bit hard to imagine unless they can really get a lot more out of the 40nm process/architecture change.

ill be happy with 20% IF they give crossfire scaling improvements as mentioned before 20%-77% is no where near nvidias 50%-87% or there about that and with atis tanking on minimum frame rates id like to see some better xfire scaling and support and a nice performance boost

I somehow doubt 6750 will equal the 5850. The only time in recent generations that a jump that large has happened is from the 4k to the 5k series. That's not a normal jump.

The driver issues aren't small. I understand that less have issues than don't, but that still doesn't make it acceptable. I've had some sort of bug or another since 8.11, thru about 10 different ATI combimations in single, double and triple setups. I am (was) a strong ATI supporter, but the driver quality keeps going down, whereas the driver quality of my nVidia setups has actually increased.

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I have driver problems when ever I use NV cards so I'm guessing problems are caused by incompatibilities somewhere in the system ( software or hardware) rather than the card makers them self.

They're both decent card makers, I do prefer ATI but if nv come out with something nice and the drivers work on my rig then I'll be more than happy to have another NV card ( I;m sure most people are like this) 460 is tempting but saving pennies XD

Did had ATI drivers when I first got ATI cards though, what a kerfuffle upgrading them

my 5850 was over twice as fast as my 4850 in crysis. I hope the 6850 is twice as fast as the 5850 but that is a bit hard to imagine unless they can really get a lot more out of the 40nm process/architecture change.

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yeah, doubt it, apparently this release is just to test the waters of the new architecture.

haha very true, they didn't happen to buyout someone's software and tweak it for their cards . If you think about it and ATi do it right, i could def see their physics running better on their cards than physx runs on nvidia's cards. Just a thought i had since they are building their own engine with their hardware, whereas nvidia implemented and has altered physx to run on their cards

i see also if ATI didn't do anything again with physics this new series will be fail

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Not valid. The 5 series didn't fail and they are physics free on the hardware level as such. Physics is a bonus but not an essential. It's up to developers of games to choose which physics system to use and that comes down to aggressive marketing. Think about it, if NV went bust (not going to happen!!!) Physx would disappear. Then the truly 'open source' solutions would be prevalent, if required.

Nah, physics will not make or break a company. Getting working cards with better performance out to the public makes or breaks companies.

Not valid. The 5 series didn't fail and they are physics free on the hardware level as such. Physics is a bonus but not an essential. It's up to developers of games to choose which physics system to use and that comes down to aggressive marketing. Think about it, if NV went bust (not going to happen!!!) Physx would disappear. Then the truly 'open source' solutions would be prevalent, if required.

Nah, physics will not make or break a company. Getting working cards with better performance out to the public makes or breaks companies.

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ok we hear too much about ATI and physics from more than a year but nothing we show from them yet, new mafia 2 physics almost push you to chose nvidia card, also you will see more titles come in last of this year use nvidia physics

ok we hear too much about ATI and physics from more than a year but nothing we show from them yet, new mafia 2 physics almost push you to chose nvidia card, also you will see more titles come in last of this year use nvidia physics

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Everyone still has their old nvidia cards for that. We're not paying them just so they can try to screw people over some more.

I still have the 7600GS since 2007 and it has been 3 years till now
Longevity for me is a good card for 100$ which has a lot of power, enough to last 3 years
so for now i am pointing and hoping to 6670
I think they will have the same wattage as 5xxx series but with more raw power

This is a crazy world we are living in , i hear about economy's built on consumption , if consumption ever gets slow it's very bad for the economy and people will lose everything , a bit too dramatic but this is usually what happens to some.
This is crazy because on one part we have to be green but when profit is the concern we have to buy and buy and buy , we are bombarded by the need to change our cars , our phones , our clothes , OUR VIDEO CARDS , everything gets outdated one minute after you get it.
Now some call this progress but in this case is all about profit , do we need a new graphics card line up ? nooooo , the damn consoles like xbox360 and ps3 have outstanding graphics with like 15% of the computing power of a computer with core i7 and a 5870 , this is embarrassing for the PC to be so inefficient , bottom line we have to spend money all the time even if we get the same graphics sometimes ( GTA 4 ).

Now some call this progress but in this case is all about profit , do we need a new graphics card line up ? nooooo , the damn consoles like xbox360 and ps3 have outstanding graphics with like 15% of the computing power of a computer with core i7 and a 5870 , this is embarrassing for the PC to be so inefficient , bottom line we have to spend money all the time even if we get the same graphics sometimes ( GTA 4 ).

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Idk what planet you're on, but consoles graphics are crap in comparison. Very low res, no AA, weak AF and the list goes on, but I don't expect more. We're talking about 7900GT class cards haha

You can thank M$ for the inefficiency that does exist. DX needs kicked to the curb.

ok we hear too much about ATI and physics from more than a year but nothing we show from them yet, new mafia 2 physics almost push you to chose nvidia card, also you will see more titles come in last of this year use nvidia physics

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how so if you remove the cloth physx folder your CPU can run PHYSX for all the enviorment effects from explosion and particles etc hell if u delete the cloth folder for JUST the NPCs you can keep the main characters cloth Physx in effect and its STILL playable.

Dont start making assumptions there are already tweaks to make Physx run on the CPU in mafia 2 and have it completely playable

This is a crazy world we are living in , i hear about economy's built on consumption , if consumption ever gets slow it's very bad for the economy and people will lose everything , a bit too dramatic but this is usually what happens to some.
This is crazy because on one part we have to be green but when profit is the concern we have to buy and buy and buy , we are bombarded by the need to change our cars , our phones , our clothes , OUR VIDEO CARDS , everything gets outdated one minute after you get it.
Now some call this progress but in this case is all about profit , do we need a new graphics card line up ? nooooo , the damn consoles like xbox360 and ps3 have outstanding graphics with like 15% of the computing power of a computer with core i7 and a 5870 , this is embarrassing for the PC to be so inefficient , bottom line we have to spend money all the time even if we get the same graphics sometimes ( GTA 4 ).

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No ones forcing you to buy anything, everything is based on what you need and what you can afford. Technology progresses so fast and we change in and out of things quickly, but it all depends on you... do you need to have the 6 series or sandy bridge?, do you need to have AMD's bulldozer?, maybe.. but i think that people tend to forget that just because a new series of something comes out doesn't automatically make it's predecessor obsolete and something not worth shit to anybody. Hell for gaming, you could still be using a 4 series card with a Core 2 Duo and you'll still crush pretty much any game out there. And of course it's about profit, AMD is a company that has to make money like everyone else. Whether or not we NEED a new line up of cards is all up to the the consumer, i know im probably not going to buy the the 6 series, why?, because i already have 2x GTX 470's(which is probably equal to one of the 6 series cards anyways) that kill any game out so far,I just don't need new tech right now, but everyone is different, and everyone will buy or keep what they need.

And are you insane?, a 360, PS3 or any console for that matter don't have near the processing power of a PC. As someone who have been a long time watcher of E3(a big gaming convention if you don't know), it has been said at E3 2005 at Sony's press conference that the PS3's GPU is equivalent 2x 6800 Ultras in SLI(or a single 7800, since it says ''more powerful'' lol), Need prove:

So that whole 15% computing power of an i7 and 5870 is a complete load of shit. Now ya at times, if the game is poorly ported to PC from consoles, then in that case yes you may see some sub par graphics, but in a general sense, PC looks better in most cases when it comes to gaming.

some ppl also forget most console games run at 1000x600 and are UPSCALED to 720p which is then stretched to fit a 1080 screen so im sorry consoles dont cut it for me i own a PS3 and the only game ive played with passable graphics was MGS 4