originally posted by: zGrimReapah
They did the whole "He uses a cyrillic keyboard so he must be a Russian" thing.

And, after all this, the VPN most probably routed through Russia one time.. and the "Experts" were like "Oh, he must have slipped up, this must be his
'REAL IP ADDRESS'.

This is deliberately misleading. There is no VPN set up with a server in Russia's GRU office (that isn't itself part of the GRU).

The fact that there are so many folks here on ATS that believe Putin over anyone else in the world is disturbing.

just to put that in perspective, I would think that even you, at this point would chuckle at the next claim of "Russia" being involved in any and all
things nefarious in the news. It's getting to be it's own joke that just keeps re-writing itself daily. I'm sure Vlad does his share of dastardly
deeds against us and others, but I just don't think he has the time to pull off every single bad thing that happens to the left. He's gotta sleep
sometimes right?

Honestly the Russians have only been blamed for one thing. You are being hyperbolic.
The Russians only did one thing.
They put trump in the Whitehouse so Putin could be leader of the world.

Why would they want a conservative in office? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Communists want communist liberal socialists in office. Putin
stated how warm his relationship was with the Clintons. With Obama live mic, offering flexibility......... Come on!

originally posted by: zGrimReapah
They did the whole "He uses a cyrillic keyboard so he must be a Russian" thing.

And, after all this, the VPN most probably routed through Russia one time.. and the "Experts" were like "Oh, he must have slipped up, this must be his
'REAL IP ADDRESS'.

This is deliberately misleading. There is no VPN set up with a server in Russia's GRU office (that isn't itself part of the GRU).

The fact that there are so many folks here on ATS that believe Putin over anyone else in the world is disturbing.

just to put that in perspective, I would think that even you, at this point would chuckle at the next claim of "Russia" being involved in any and all
things nefarious in the news. It's getting to be it's own joke that just keeps re-writing itself daily. I'm sure Vlad does his share of dastardly
deeds against us and others, but I just don't think he has the time to pull off every single bad thing that happens to the left. He's gotta sleep
sometimes right?

Honestly the Russians have only been blamed for one thing. You are being hyperbolic.
The Russians only did one thing.
They put trump in the Whitehouse so Putin could be leader of the world.

I hear Putin is very happy that Trump massively increased the military budget and might, because that's what Putin had Trump do. Putin was upset that
Barack reduced the US military to junk status and Putin was very upset, unsettled, and unhappy....

Well, if Clinton and the DNC would let the authorities check her/their servers instead of allowing a 3rd party and denying federal law enforcement
then I'd be more inclined to believe it.

I do not believe that Russia isn't trying to hack into everything US related, ofcourse they are, so are NK, China and many other foreign governments,
and honestly, the US are doing the same back to them, if you think Russia is the only country trying to gain control over the information highway you
are purely mistaken.

I honestly cannot remember what Guccifer emails contained, I know that a certain part of the "DNC" hack was attributed to Cozy/Fancy bear which are
known to be "GRU" operatives.

I didn't know that the IP address from Guccifer that was found was linked to a GRU facility, so that's some ignorance on my part, I just thought it
had pinged somewhere in Russia and that's what they were using as evidence.

Vladimir Putin is definitely not innocent in any sense of the word, however with the rhetoric ramping up and Putin being blamed for sneezing nowadays
it's quite easy to get skeptical about his involvement.

Especially when CIA's weapons vault was leaked and there's tools which can attribute IP addresses to foreign governments and pass the blame on, it
doesn't have to be another member state doing that, any individual could have gotten access to those tools, the internet is a sketchy place.

I can definitely believe Putin wants to look strong on the world stage and all these accusations against him make him look more powerful than he
actually is.

The Russians were hacking everything they could. Sure. Yet I seem to remember it being said with confidence that Hillary's bathroom server, containing
real secretary of state level stuff and managed by a guy using Reddit to resolve technical issues, was not hacked. Hopefully the DNC has since moved
their stuff to Hillary's bathroom.

originally posted by: zGrimReapah
They did the whole "He uses a cyrillic keyboard so he must be a Russian" thing.

And, after all this, the VPN most probably routed through Russia one time.. and the "Experts" were like "Oh, he must have slipped up, this must be his
'REAL IP ADDRESS'.

This is deliberately misleading. There is no VPN set up with a server in Russia's GRU office (that isn't itself part of the GRU).

The fact that there are so many folks here on ATS that believe Putin over anyone else in the world is disturbing.

just to put that in perspective, I would think that even you, at this point would chuckle at the next claim of "Russia" being involved in any and all
things nefarious in the news. It's getting to be it's own joke that just keeps re-writing itself daily. I'm sure Vlad does his share of dastardly
deeds against us and others, but I just don't think he has the time to pull off every single bad thing that happens to the left. He's gotta sleep
sometimes right?

They put trump in the Whitehouse so Putin could be leader of the world.

originally posted by: zGrimReapah
They did the whole "He uses a cyrillic keyboard so he must be a Russian" thing.

And, after all this, the VPN most probably routed through Russia one time.. and the "Experts" were like "Oh, he must have slipped up, this must be his
'REAL IP ADDRESS'.

This is deliberately misleading. There is no VPN set up with a server in Russia's GRU office (that isn't itself part of the GRU).

The fact that there are so many folks here on ATS that believe Putin over anyone else in the world is disturbing.

just to put that in perspective, I would think that even you, at this point would chuckle at the next claim of "Russia" being involved in any and all
things nefarious in the news. It's getting to be it's own joke that just keeps re-writing itself daily. I'm sure Vlad does his share of dastardly
deeds against us and others, but I just don't think he has the time to pull off every single bad thing that happens to the left. He's gotta sleep
sometimes right?

Honestly the Russians have only been blamed for one thing. You are being hyperbolic.
The Russians only did one thing. They put trump in the Whitehouse so Putin could be leader of the world.

Wait, I just got this vision of Trump as a Russian secret agent, playing the roll of a Big Orange Buffoon president, and being such an amazing actor,
he makes all that hate him think he's some idiot. Then he does the laugh. you know the one. Muhahahaha, but slow and painful.

I'm fine. I'm not the one who can't decide if Trump is a criminal mastermind, or dumb as a box of rocks.

But then, I'm just a simple person who realized that if I don't like him, I can just wait a few years and vote again. It's much easier than whining
and crying on a daily basis thinking that will somehow make things better.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Why would they want a conservative in office? Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Communists want communist liberal socialists in office. Putin
stated how warm his relationship was with the Clintons. With Obama live mic, offering flexibility......... Come on!

originally posted by: zGrimReapah
They did the whole "He uses a cyrillic keyboard so he must be a Russian" thing.

And, after all this, the VPN most probably routed through Russia one time.. and the "Experts" were like "Oh, he must have slipped up, this must be his
'REAL IP ADDRESS'.

This is deliberately misleading. There is no VPN set up with a server in Russia's GRU office (that isn't itself part of the GRU).

The fact that there are so many folks here on ATS that believe Putin over anyone else in the world is disturbing.

just to put that in perspective, I would think that even you, at this point would chuckle at the next claim of "Russia" being involved in any and all
things nefarious in the news. It's getting to be it's own joke that just keeps re-writing itself daily. I'm sure Vlad does his share of dastardly
deeds against us and others, but I just don't think he has the time to pull off every single bad thing that happens to the left. He's gotta sleep
sometimes right?

Honestly the Russians have only been blamed for one thing. You are being hyperbolic.
The Russians only did one thing.
They put trump in the Whitehouse so Putin could be leader of the world.

why would you think Russia is communist, or Putin is a communist?....that was decades ago....he's a totalitarian thug, a multi-billionaire dictator,
he has Russians killed if they go against him, even Russians living in other countries.

doesn't any American on here wonder why Trump keeps attacking, and calling corrupt, the very institutions that have protected us for decades?....and
out of the other corner of his mouth, call up and praise Putin for winning a fixed election where he won 76% of the vote?...

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