Despite low sales of the Wii U over the past year, Nintendo of America’s Scott Moffitt says he’s confident that third-party developers will continue to support the Wii U. In an interview with Forbes, Moffitt stated that he believes console sales will improve this holiday season and that more great games from third-party publishers will be coming in 2014.

“We don’t see this as an either-or proposition. Nintendo is in the unique position of being both a hardware manufacturer as well as a software producer. We want Wii U to be the console that every developer wants to publish on.

A key way to make that happen is to grow the installed base of Wii U owners, and we know that current Wii U owners are very happy with their purchases. Our great lineup in the second half of the year will create more buyers, and beyond that third-party support is important to attract as diverse an audience as possible.”

It’s interesting to see Nintendo have such confidence in third-party publishers, when Ubisoft and Warner Bros. Interactive have been the only publishers supporting their games on the Wii U. Activision has Call of Duty: Ghosts and Electronic Arts has completely pulled out of Wii U development, citing the need to evaluate the market and return when its stronger.

Its because they drop major bombs all the time. Wii Sports Club is going to be out in just a couple weeks and I’d almost gurantee a bundle with it will drop before Xmas. Nintendo knows what they’re doing, they’ve done it before. They always have a few tricks up their sleeves.

D.M.T

Why wouldnt they be confident? Nintendo is constantly proving the naysayers wrong. Every generation they say Nintendo will fail and every generation Nintendo is successful. That’s reason enough to be confident

Moko

Except they have never made such a strategic error as falling behind on core video game technology as they did with the Wii. If the system had been HD they’d be golden now but instead they are playing catchup with a very slow game release schedule in the first year of their HD era. The Wii had few real motion control games as proof of concept to actually transform gaming for gamers and there appears to be no game on the horizon to achieve the same objective with the gamepad….this is a transition console for nintendo while they synergise handheld and couch gaming and develop a comprehensive VR solution with haptic technology…Wii U will not be a complete failure but it will be the worst console in terms of sales performance that Nintendo has ever produced.

Magnus Eriksson

How can you say that it wont be a complete failure? It IS a complete failure already. There is NO SIGN that this will change either.

D.M.T

The reason why he said it wont be a complete failure is because he doesnt know whats going to happen in the future just like how you don’t know either. You’re just one of those naysayers that likes to say that Nintendo will fail this gen and then when Nintendo proves you wrong you won’t admit that you were wrong.

Magnus Eriksson

P1) Wii U is doing horrible today P2) Wii U have been doing horrible since february P3) there is no signs that Wii U will do better tomorrow P4) If not doing good today, before or in the future, then its a failure C1) Wii U is a failure, has been a failure and is very likely to continue to be a failure.

Edit: And no, I have no problem whatsoever to say that Im wrong if Im wrong. But Im not wrong when I say that Wii U is a failed product. You on the other hand is wrong if you dont realizes this.

D.M.T

P1) Wii U is struggling now but that doesn’t mean it will struggle in the near future P2) Yes it’s been struggling since February P3) Zelda HD bundle, Mario 3D World and other future games are signs that it could do better in the future P4) Yes but you dont know what will happen in the future so the correct word is struggling, not failure. I don’t see the Wii U as a failure, I see it as a struggling console that could do better in the future. You are too negative, what a shame.

Magnus Eriksson

Im negative because there is nothing that implies another reaction. Everyone is negative to Nintendo’s newest console. I wish it was different, but its not.

Edit: I wrote likely. I never said It will be that way. But from inductive reasoning, yes its likely. Its not perfect, but it is the best thing we got. But you right. It could happen. Suddenly Wii U could be the next big thing. But I dont see any signs for that.

Daniel Gonzalez

To put it fairly, it’s a failed product right now. That much is true. Also, just because someone is negative about a product, doesn’t mean they’re too negative. Lol. That’s just your assumption. He’s said a lot of good things too if you’ve paid attention and so have I. I’m negative because that’s my outlook on Nintendo, but I do see some good in them and will say so. However, right now, Nintendo to me is a failure and my view on them won’t change until I see a strong positive from them.

Time will tell.

D.M.T

The word that best describes Wii U’s current situation is struggle, not failure. Wii U is struggling to stay relevant, it hasn’t fail yet and likely won’t fail. So you think Nintendo is a failure? Good for you Daniel. I on the other hand think that Nintendo is very successful even though many people don’t believe in them (you for example) and my view on them won’t change until they stop trying but they will never stop because Nintendo works very hard for everything they have accomplished.

Daniel Gonzalez

Has nothing to with believing in something. It doesn’t change the reality of the situation. Trying to fit me into some group won’t get you anywhere. Sounds childish to me. It has to do with where they sit on the market. I would say good for you if you feel that way about Nintendo. Optimism is good, but I’m more of a realist. I don’t do optimism much since it’s not in my nature. I go by what I see. It’s still failing right now, struggling is not much different in meaning tbh, but that’s just me.

Yes, they work hard to accomplish their goals, but right now their hard work isn’t getting them anywhere to me. I like the Nintendo of old, not the way they are today.

D.M.T

Actually I’m a realist too, I don’t do optimism as much as you think. I said it once and i’ll say it again, the correct word for Wii U’s current situation is struggle not failure. Failure would mean that Wii U is no longer relevant but truth is the Wii U is still relevant but it’s struggling to stay relevant. That’s the difference. If you don’t like Nintendo of today then why are you here? The difference between me and you Daniel is that if I don’t like something I ignore it. To give you an example: I don’t read 3DS news because I don’t like the 3DS and don’t care about it. You don’t like Nintendo of today but yet you’re here every day, sounds like a waste of time to me.

Daniel Gonzalez

To you perhaps, but that doesn’t mean I can’t still keep up do date on what’s been going on. I’m still a gamer at heart, so of course I still keep watch on what Nintendo does.

As for our differences. Good for you I would say. I’m not you and I prefer it that way. You have your beliefs and I have mine. Mine will never change. When it comes down to it, I don’t care what you think of me and vice versa.

I respect you for at least keeping it a mature argument. That’s appreciated.

TheBoldman67

You is wrong? nice grammer…

Magnus Eriksson

thanks, nice spelling

Ace

*grammer* is spelled *Grammar*

AM Real

lol

Silent

Hey kids, lets go to back to page 2011 and 2012. The part that says, NINTENDO 3DS.

Rostizz

Why do you get on a Wii U site then? I always see you trolling. You just have nothing better going on in your life?

Magnus Eriksson

So, why is this trolling? Because you disagree? Well, thats your problem.

Im here because Im a Wii U owner who likes to read news about my console. I like to take part in discussions, and debate things I find interesting. I find comments like this very intersting as its clearly non-reality oriented. And that makes me curious.

Rostizz

I bought my Wii U console because I love the first party games. As long as the Big N keeps them rolling out, I am happy. But to buy something that you think is going to be a failure seems like a pretty poor decision. You can keep reading the articles, but no one wants to read your negative comments that don’t really bring anything to the table.

Magnus Eriksson

I really dont care about your wants and needs. Keep them to yourself. If you dont want to debate with me, then dont. Im ok with that.

Daniel Gonzalez

It’s not about what you or people wanna hear. We say what we feel just as you do. Nice if you like your Wii U and first party games,but it’s not the same for everyone. People have a right to their opinion no matter positive or negative. Deal with it, or perhaps comment sections are too much for you to comprehend. You don’t have to like negative comments, but the least you can do is respect what people have to say, or don’t bother to respond. Makes it that much easier, doesn’t it?

Daniel Gonzalez

People like you think anything is trolling if someone doesn’t agree or has a negative opinion than your positive one. Learn to tell the difference. Lol.

Mario

YOU DON’T KNOW THE FUTURE!

Magnus Eriksson

Neither do you.

Mario

I KNOW!

D.M.T

Let me explain to you why that wasn’t a strategic error as you call it. Nintendo was known for making very powerful consoles but Sony as always more successful than them. GameCube was more powerful than PS2 and N64 was more powerful than PS1 and Sony came out on top. So Nintendo realized that they shouldn’t try to have the most powerful console, they should just make sure that their console is the cheapest to make more money. Wii was cheap and weak and it sold 100 million so their plan worked. Wii asn’t in HD because most people didnt have HD TV’s back then, that’s a fact. Now HD TV is something that everyone can afford that’s why Wii U is HD. I don’t believe Nintendo is playing catch up, I think Nintendo is doing their own thing which most people don’t want to accept. Nintendo does not follow trends, they do what they think is best for them. I don’t think Wii U will be the worst console in terms of sales but we’ll see what happens.

Sulama Traoré

You are right in everything you have just stated. However, another factor that put the Gamecube in last place and N64 in second place is the size of their games. Gamecube had a miniDVD, and because its capacity was really small, it missed out on some key titles. Same with the N64, which was supposed to get the groundbreaking game Final Fantasy VII as an exclusive but because Nintendo stuck with cartridges, which also had small capacity, it missed out on some of those games as well. While I am sure Nintendo is aware of the technology in its own console as well as its competitors, there were some hardware mistakes that could have easily have been avoided. But overall, you are right.

D.M.T

I agree with what you said but there’s always a solution to most problems. The GameCube MiniDVD problem could have been solved by putting big games on 2 or 3 GameCube discs. EA Sports did this with their games. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 was a 2 Disc GameCube game. So the GameCube problem had a somewhat easy solution but I’m not gonna make excuses for Nintendo choosing to stick with cartridges. Why would they do that? It was a stupid business decision

iamserious

Durability and copyright concerns would be my guess but ya that certainly bit Nintendo in the butt. :-/

AM Real

Right on the nose

AM Real

Nintendo stuck with cartridges because it’s what they do they were good at making them (and still do for the 3DS), also their deal with Sony fell through when the two parties couldn’t come to an agreement for a CD based add on for the SNES that led to the creation of the Playstation ON TOP of the fact that Nintendo and Phillips had a CD deal that didn’t pan out either.
The GameCube media was cool but flawed in that it held roughly half of what the other media could hold. Multiple discs could only help out with large (Read:long) games it did nothing for the audio on games or extra skins (Read:extra fluff)

Striker

Carts offered a unique ability to upgrade the consoles capabilities as needed. The idea was that other then less mechanic issues, faster read times and no need for memories cards.. The carts could actually be used to upgrade the console on a per game basis. This practice was used on Atari and seen most clearly with Starfox FX chip. Cost of the carts was the real issue.

Reza Far

Nope your both wrong.

The GameCube failed because of no DVD players. The reason why the N64 failed was because of cartridges. How this happened:

1) The miss out on the DVD fad was a huge mistake, the DVD fad sold consoles, it sold consoles to people who didn’t play them (for the DVD player) the fact Ps2 sold as many consoles as it did was largely due to the DVD player – so what that means is developers would spend more time and money making games for the best selling machine, it wouldn’t have been cost effective or time effective for them to make the same games for the GameCube, the time they would have spent porting the game over to the GameCube could have been spent making more games for the Ps2 (Which it was, and worked out best for everyone except Nintendo).

2) adoption of cartridges – people need to remember that Nintendo had a very bad reputation with game developers all the way back since the 1980’s – (Side history) “Nintendo saved gaming by forcing developers to spend hours and hours to make games only for Nintendo to market their own exclusives above said games, this of course was a double edged sword, Nintendo made enemies with everyone they where meant to be friends with” This side history came back to bite them hard when Ps1 came out – Ps1 was developer friendly and used disks (which where also developers friendly) – around that time Nintendo tried to force another bitter pill down the throats of developers (by forcing them to pay for the cartridges to develop games for the N64), that was the final straw that broke the camels back and to this very day Nintendo has had problems with game developers.

Now back to the present day:

Nintendo’s biggest issue it needs to address the long standing problem Nintendo has had with other game developers – We saw this with the Wii, Nintendo had the best selling console of the last generation, and did the EXACT same thing they done back in the 1980’s, forced developers to make games and in some cases port games that are built for the Ps3 or Xbox 360 to the Wii only for Nintendo to market their own exclusives above said games (best selling games on the Wii are all Nintendo own exclusives) – Until Nintendo addresses this issue, the issue with developers it will always have problems.

Another Issue is its Gimmicks, i mean what is that? a tablet controller that has a 3 hour battery life and ramps the price of the console up by $100? What are they smoking at Nintendo, i wonder if they would share some of it, i wouldn’t mind looking at the world through their cartoon tinted eyes…

Joffre Arteaga

you are wrong the only reason the wii sold so many its because the controls got everyone by surprise and it was the gimmick to have, so nintendo figured tablets are big right now ,lets do a tablet controller ,a strategic error.

D.M.T

Actually I’m not wrong. I just forgot to mention that the Wii Remote was also a reason why Wii sold 100 million. The GamePad is not a strategic error or else Sony and Microsoft wouldn’t try to copy it. The only reason why Wii U isn’t selling is because it’s missing games.

AM Real

lol you finally said something I can agree with…The system needs games…but that looks to be changing in the coming months…thank goodness

AM Real

Nintendo definitely saw tablets as a threat…BUT so did Microsoft and Sony…you got the Wii part right though, the motion controls took the world (Read: casual market) by storm…

Striker

Nintendo’s view is that touch(Something they themselves pioneered in handheld gaming) is an important part of the future of easy access to games. “Hard Core” gamers are under the impression that there ideas of games are all that matter, the truth is that games are games for a reason. They are fun. Being an interactive movie does not make a game better than say.. Angry Birds. A stable gaming market needs gamers of all skills and interests and that is what Nintendo seeks.

Joffre Arteaga

also since the super nintendo, nintendo has put out crap consoles, think about it N64 failure did not meet sales expectations,gamecube failure did not sell well, and you say wii u does HD like thats some breakthrough in gaming , Sony and Microsoft have been doing HD for 10 years now and now are slowly moving into 4k, when Nintendo is celebrating HD, dont get me wrong i love nintendo i have owned the first nintendo, super nintendo, gamecube and n64 also the wii.

D.M.T

I’m sorry but you’re an idiot for saying that I was acting like Wii U doing HD is some breakthrough in gaming. I never said that Wii U doing HD is innovative, I just said that the reason why Wii U is HD is because most people can afford an HD TV now. Next time make sure you understand my comment before you reply to it and stop stating the obvious because that doesn’t make you sound smart. I know that MS and Sony have been doing HD for ALMOST 10 years now that’s obvious but that wasn’t the point and you should be ashamed of yourself for not understanding what I said.

Joffre Arteaga

i think the idiot here is the one that begins with the insults , when some someone lashes out its because the truth can hurt. and you should follow your own advise and read my comment better i never said you were acting like nintendo was doing hd like a breakthrough i said, nintendo was promoting hd like something new, so read again or have an adult help you read my comment better, i understand that you got upset with my comment but i speak facts i am not a fanboy, and yes nintendo has been struggling for air for a long time with most releases of consoles under performing or being failures , except for the gimmick of the motion controls of the wii, and you know i am right but its hurts when facts are violently thrown at you.

D.M.T

Actually you did say that I was acting like Wii U doing HD was a breakthrough thing. Let me quote you: “you say wii u does HD like thats some breakthrough in gaming” I copy pasted that from your comment so you did say that and that’s why I called you an idiot because you misunderstood me. I didn’t call you an idiot because truth hurts because it doesn’t hurt at all. In fact, some of the things you said are opinions, not facts. You’re not a fanboy? Congratulations, neither am I but it wouldn’t surprise me if you think i’m a fanboy just because I’m saying positive and truthful things about Nintendo. Funny to me how people think that anyone who says something positive about Nintendo is a “fanboy”. Should I agree with you just to prove that I’m not a fanboy? Well no, I’ll criticize or say negative things about Nintendo when there’s a good reason for it, I won’t just bash Nintendo and call Wii U a failure all day to please all of you.

Joffre Arteaga

again thats not what i meant i should have been clearer, thats my fault and i apologise for that, but my point still there the Wii U has failed all they are doing is trying to give it life long enough for the next Nintendo console, think about it its hard for them now, imagine the minute the ps4 comes out and the xbox one comes out with an avalanche of exclusives and power house games. ready on day one when nintendo is struggling to get people to make games for them, its a fact nintendo has struggled for a long time and jumping on the tablet craze did not translate for them this time.

ufg

Wii U could support 4k. It uses the same HDMI interface so the only thing they need to do is release a software update. Of course, more graphically intensive games won’t be able to run in 4 k, but that’s the same for XBONE and PS4 which will reportedly only run in 4k for movie streaming etc

fireheartis1

Dude 4K wont be affordable for a long time now. Plus were have you seen any articles that state PS4 and Xbox One are 4K. I’ve only seen them stating they are 1080p at 60fps, and guess what Wii U can pull that off as well.

Joffre Arteaga

well your right it wont be ready for a very long time, but thats my point, i think the xbox one and ps4 come with hdmi ports with 4k capabilities, yeas true you wont be able to play 4k games but video and content will slowly trickle down, thats what i meant that they are getting their toes wet with 4k, when nintendo has just discovered HD.

Chibi RAWR

well right now in current sales of pretty much the top selling consoles out there wiiu is like 23rd place based off this site. in current systems out there instead of all time wiiu is above vita in sales

AM Real

The 64 was not more powerful than the Playstation…stop talking out of your ass…and the only reason the Wii wasn’t HD was because Shigeru Miyamoto and Iwata didn’t have the foresight to see HD was the next evolution of T.V…they said it themselves, not many people had HD T.Vs when the Wii was IN DEVELOPMENT but they were in abundance by the time the system launched and affordable within the following year…sooo i’m not sure where your getting your “facts” …..Nintendo isn’t going anywhere anytime soon but anyone who says the Wii U wasn’t botched is plain delusional…FACT.

Striker

They said in many statements over the years, that there hardware reflects what majority people can have and afford. HD was not the standard and for proof of that you only need to look as far as why the US Government kept pushing back the HD broadcasting standard. Nintendo only needs to plan for 5 years out. This helps keep the cost of game production lower hence the destabilizing of the industry since Sony and MS have been slugging it out.

nexxus6

The fact that you typed “FACT” in all capital letters must mean your opinion is a fact. I wouldn’t have thought your opinion was factual until you let us know by typing the word “fact” in caps. Thanks for clarifying.

AM Real

lol you’re welcome

Adecentboy777

It’ll be the worst console in term of sales. Well, just give it a 3 months and all the competitors, even Microsucks, will pass them.

D.M.T

Nope

Marcell Wade

Couldn’t have said it better myself, good show sir good show.

Nathan DeFalco

Actually, you can go back farther than that to prove you statement true:

3. The only exceptio. To this rule is the SNES. But notice during that generation, Nintendo sold about 20 million less units and Sega Genesis (the weaker system) gained major ground… Kinda like what the 360 did to the PS3.

Keyser

“…but it will be the worst console in terms of sales performance that Nintendo has ever produced.”

Uh, Virtual Boy?

Also, in terms of power DS/3DS are quite far behind PSP/PSV, however they far surpassed them in terms of sales, both times despite having very rocky starts…I guess all I’m saying is you can never count Nintendo out. Let’s wait at least another year before predicting Wii U as Nintendo’s worst console

fireheartis1

D.M.T is right I just recently purchased my first HDTV about 6 months ago. Nintendo knew HD wasn’t affordable back then and they figured it wasn’t the right time for them to go into HD, and that’s why the Wii wasn’t HD at all. Although I wouldn’t call the Wii weak. It was 30% more powerful than the GameCube after all. Plus Wii had some great games that proved that Motion Control was amazing. Games like Skyward Sword, MadWorld, No More Hero’s, and even Wii Sports Resort proved that Motion Controls were and are amazing. I’ve been a Nintendo gamer since 89 and the Wii has become my favorite console by Nintendo. I think Wii U will do just fine this generation. Games like Splinter Cell and Wind Waker HD make the GamePad appealing. Heck if they do it just right Wii U may replace Wii as my favorite console but I doubt it lol.

Chris MacApples

youre right and at the same time wrong . yeah the wii u isnt selling as well as nintendo planed. but now they dropped the price on the system and on top of that, more and more great games coming to the wii u . when this happens which , the wii u will skyrocket in sales no doubt about it . think about the 3ds for instance, when it was released , it was pretty expensive for the system and there wasent any good games that came out . now look at the sales for the 3ds after the price dropped and many great games on the hand held console. the 3ds sales surpassed the sales for the original wii. so again im pretty confident that the wii u sales will skyrocket 🙂

SkullScience

Totally wrong, even though the Wii was not HD it was still a massive success, far out selling PS3 and 360 worldwide. No, Nintendo’s problem is far more simplistic, they are reticent to kill off their previous gen. Wii software is still being sold in many outlets long after Wii U was released to the public. Nintendo made the same mistake with the 3DS, that is why it had a tough first year but recovered spectacularly. Problem is that the 3DS only ever had Vita as competition. Wii U has 2 new huge rivals on the horizon. Oh, and as for “Wii U will not be a complete failure but it will be the worst console in terms of sales performance that Nintendo has ever produced”. Lol!! Virtual Boy anyone? Only 770,000 ever officially shipped, Wii U has no worries on that front, just has such a massively successful predecessor.

he’s saying that nintendo isn’t actually confident. that they’re just pretending to be for the consumers who have already purchased wii u’s so they won’t sell them and keep them for nintendo’s software

*shrugs* Someone has to be 😛 I do think this statement is kinda weird though, since they themselves have admitted they’re struggling…

William Short

Can i just say that nintendo doesn’t pretend. If they was pretend they wouldn’t have admitted that the Wii u wasn’t selling well but they did back a couple a month ago and don’t say they had no choice but to admitted because they could have keep their mouth shut and drop tons of bombs everywhere. They are working hard on resolving the issue at hand but for right now let shut up and let nintendo work it out.

kaygivs

i agree. i’m super excited for what nintendo does in the future. and i’m honestly tired of what developers make these days… i’d be fine with just buying nintendo made software this generation. but as long as there is third party on wii u i will support

david jarman

How can an assumption be the truth?
That’s funny, cause since sales have started to increase. Wind waker is 4th in the uk sales chart up there with gtaV and FIFA.
Will nintendo beat ps4 and Xbox in sales this holiday.? Probably not. Will wii u sales keep increasing during the holidays? Probably will!
You act like nintendo says nothing, but lies yet I’ve seen just as many lies and features dropped by the other two companies. As far as greed goes. Nintendo keeps their employees employed while the other company will cut loses(even employees) to pinch pennies. As far as delays go:
GTAV DELAYED, Bioshock infinity delayed, infamous delayed, modern warfare 3 delayed, far cry 3 delayed, diablo 3 delayed the list goes on and not one company is better then the other.

Magnus Eriksson

Still, no one supports them. Thats a fact, not an opinion.

Petri

Thats neither a fact nor an opinion.

david jarman

Ubisoft, activision, platinum, sega, Warner bros, frozenbyte, shin’en, slightly mad studios, 505 and if EA were not dicks we’d have crytek and criterion. Crytek’s new engine is designed around to run on the same type of architecture wii u uses.

Magnus Eriksson

And compare that exaggerated list with the 3rd parties that supports Sony.

david jarman

Who said we were comparing? And that list is spot on.

AM Real

you named 9 companies….compared to all the developers who’ve supported any console within the last 10 years…yes that’s ‘basically’ no support…The support will come when the people come, the people will come when Nintendo lets them…(Read: when Nintendo gives us proper and casual first party games) Not sure why it has taken them sooo long to realize this but at least they seem to be getting the message now. Wii U owner since day 1

david jarman

Uhm, no that’s not how it works. When you have no one but yourself. Then you have no support. Video game player since 1984(and that’s not the year I was born). Plus, wii u deluxe owner day one and also a multiple console owner.
I just think its ridiculous how certain people on this website show up when there is something negative or are quick to attack nintendo when they say something positive about themselves. And if you cheer for nintendo or defend it then all of sudden you’re labeled as a fan boy. But I garauntee that the moment you say something about the console they’re going to buy they turn into the worse kind of fan boys. The ones that are in denial of their own fan boyism. Sorry for venting on you, but I’m just tired of this whole Nintendo is a failure the wii u is a failure bullshit talk. You know what the game are not just coming. The games are here. Sales have been increasing and Wind waker made it in the top 4 in the uk a long with gtaV and FIFA. Playing blacklist with tablet by far has been a better experience then just a controller. Pulling of combo moves and unite morph is awesome and that whole damn gaming is just freaking innovating.

david jarman

Last part I was referring to the wonderful 101.

Daniel Gonzalez

I still prefer a controller. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it. I’m sure the gamepad is nice, but I don’t see myself using it. I like traditional gaming. Call me old. Lol.

Magnus Eriksson

^ this

readypembroke

Crytek even made Crysis 3 for Wii U but EA cancelled it.

Rostizz

Case and point. You are wrong.

Magnus Eriksson

Evolve that please. How am I wrong?

Bonez Grenz

you said nobody supports them, 1 supporter proves you wrong

Magnus Eriksson

Hoooray, you won one there. Now Wii U will do better in a heartbeat… No support wasnt meant to be literal you know.

Bonez Grenz

well if you said, lack-there-of support, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, but you said no, meaning zero. so its not a fact simple as that, do i agree the wii-u support is laughable, yes, am I happy with my purchase, yes, do I have a lot of games to play, personally I think so (10-12). Nintendo has always been like this and always will be, It’s going to be fine either way.

Hulkamania

They know a whole lot more then what we know… and I guess there is a lot of stuff we don’t know yet.

I know that, but I’m just saying, they seem like they have something up their sleeves. I wanna know what it is

Adecentboy777

I agree with you Zorpix! I’d love to know that too!

Nintenjoe82

I think they’ll get more publishers and devs on board when they have the highest install base and we see the typical reactionary news against PS4 and Xbox when they have a year one sales slump.

They really need to get their message out soon because the shops are getting christmassy and the major retailers are pushing just about every console except Wii U (and Vita)

Fred

Someone needs to point out the enormous price difference. Especially for someone that already has a Wii.
Wii U + game $299
4 more controllers $0 (same ones you used on your Wii)
Full set under the Christmas tree for the family to play-$299

PS4-$399
Game-$59
Extra Controllers-$59 EACH
Total cost for the same 5 player set up-$635
Total cost for single player set up -$558
And that’s if you don’t want the PS4 eye

so $299 vs $558-$635 (more for Xbone)
you’re talking about HALF the price for Wii U!

Is_Mort

Outright lies. Maybe they should call Leapfrog and get some more baby games.

Shaise

ARE YOU SERIOUS???? More people calling Nintendo baby? Now seriously???? What do you call X & Bayonetta 2!!!!!!! Seriously!!??? Everyone I said this to had hided like typical trolls. Dont be a coward! Answer me! Go on!

William Short

People who call nintendo babies, are more of babies than the people who play nintendo games. Just because you play mature games doesn’t mean you mature yourself.

blaster man

2 games don’t make your console mature. I don’t think Nintendo’s consoles are for “babies” but most of their games are “family friendly” which means you can’t have mature themes in them. One of the best games from last year (maybe the best) was The Walking Dead by Tell-Tale games. This game wasn’t a “dudebro shooter” but it was definitely a hard “M” rated game and the kind of game and themes in a game that Nintendo would absolutely never make.

BTW, it’s Nintendo’s fault for people calling it’s games childish. When the theme of every other game is basically “Hey that mean dragon took our princess! Mario go put on your raccoon tail and fly to the creepy cookie cave and save her!”….well you get the idea.

Mario

And that mekes it bad how exactly?

D.M.T

If I was Nintendo, I would promote Wii U as the cheapest console to develop for. Why would Nintendo do that? Because Wii U is weaker than PS4/X1 so it’s cheaper and yet it’s still powerful enough to produce great looking games. I’m sure that if Nintendo promotes the Wii U this way then 3rd party publishers will look at the Wii U a little bit differently. They will realize that they could make a lot of money on Wii U if they give us good (exclusive) games.

Marius Valasinas

they would have all developers working on their platform if it’s specs were equivalent to X1 or PS4. I love my Wii U but I can’t see it getting strong 3rd party support no matter how many people will own it. It’s a platform that gamers, including myself, buy to play 1st party games AKA exclusives. Since it’s specs are far behind PS4/X1, developers will rarely ever put effort and money into it. Hope I’m wrong though

Steve

Next thing you know, when the X1 releases it has a red ring of death shortly after starting it up.

Great specs my ass.

John Andalora

Well hopefully Microsoft puts that thing to the test rather than just release it and let it red ring on too many people.

D.M.T

Why would Microsoft put it to the test? If Xbox One has red ring of death then they KNOW that the fanboys will go to the store and buy their 2nd and even 3rd Xbox One in a short period of time. That’s how the 360 reached 80 million consoles sold because people bought multiple 360s this gen. When you buy Nintendo consoles, you only buy 1

John Andalora

You have a ridiculously low expectation of Microsoft, and I highly doubt that if their console kept red-ringing that other people would purchase one. Microsoft fixed the biggest issues of red-ringing and now their console is doing better.

They’ve got a lot to prove this time affer a lot of unfavorable press. Having consoles that don’t work or red-ring too often would certainly lead to issues with them.

And Nintendo consoles can work, but when there’s no games to go with it for the first 3 quarters, then it’s as worthless as a red-ringed Xbox.

D.M.T

Can you blame me for having low expectations of Microsoft? They are too blame not me. If Wii U didnt have games for the first 3 quaters then why was I playing games on Wii U? You mean the Wii U had no games that YOU wanna play but it damn sure had games that i wanna play so i suggest you speak for yourself because my Wii U isn’t worthless.

Mario

No WiiU is wothless for all of us Nintendo fans.

John Andalora

Cause you like VC games and Netflix.
That’s all that was actually good on it.

Not saying they aren’t getting better games, but Smurfs 2 and Planes didn’t quite get me as excited as it does other kids.

D.M.T

And once again you’re wrong like usual. How do you know I like VC games? I’ve never downloaded a VC game and i never will because i didnt buy a Wii U to play VC games. And I don’t even have Netflix on my Wii U. No I didnt buy Planes and Smurfs 2 either, I bought quality Wii U games. You seem to know nothing about quality Wii U games because you are too busy being negative Once again, speak for yourself because my Wii U is not worthless. Yours is worthless and thats YOUR problem but I love my Wii U.

John Andalora

Great. Glad you like playing “quality” games.
As for me, I like better things.

When the Wii U makes better games I’ll happily come around. I like Nintendo, but I’d always grab Grand Theft Auto V far before more NintendoLand or New Super Mario Bros. U or Game & Wario or Pikmin 3 (or to use a more recent example, Wonderful 101).

Theiz Zzee

The power isn’t that far behind. If. It was Ryse on XBOX One wouldn’t run in 900p. All the games would run natively 1080p and 60 frames for it and the PS4. What you have here is developers jumping horse because the last one isn’t putting them in the lead. Developers the main selling point of what they call next gen is the power. The developers need to convince the public you need the power of next gen to be able to play the games you want so go right ahead spend 4-500. This isn’t the truth but, marketing isn’t about 100% accuracy now is it? It boils down to money. The money lining their pockets and in many cases 3rd party sales which last gen wasn’t the best indication due to Wii games being severely gimped. This gen is less gimped but still kind of the case. Wii U is a perfectly capable system. Any game made on another system can be made on the Wii U without sacrificing major changes to it.

Shaise

No. 3rd parties would happily downgrade their games & put it on Wii U if they could make a profit out of them.

D.M.T

GameCube was more powerful than PS2 and yet they didnt have all 3rd party developers working on the GameCube so your statement is wrong. Specs has nothing to do with the lack of support

Wait for me Nintendo, I want to publish a game on your console <3
(Well the Wii U will already be successful in 3 or 4 years so… yeah.)

Bitmin1991

Good luck with that!

Microsoft will be the one who wins the indie wars. Why? Because devs don’t have to spend thousands of dollars on a SINGLE dev kit. Each console sold is a dev kit. Nintendo on the other hand, dev kit pricing starts at $2500, or five XBOX Ones.

Fred

Everybody is downvoting this, but he does have a legit point. Indie devs aren’t flowing with cash.

david jarman

Actually, he is talking out of his ass.
Nintendo has been reaching out to indie developers and giving away free dev kits and unity licenses. Plus, the EShop allows them to price their own games.

They used to not and have not said anything since, but there are indie delelopers that that are developing for both, but are giving the Applause to nintendo for the incredible indie support.

david jarman

The xbox one will act as dev kit, but is not a dev kit. It means that devs and players can play codes that are in progress. Kinda like a gametester works with the devs.

Fred

that’s not what I asked?!?

david jarman

Wow, oops! Weird. That was suppose to be for bitmin.
Microsoft has strict policy so its hard to say for sure, but they used. However, there are indie devs working for both and the applause seem to be going to nintendo.

John Andalora

Do you think they would’ve done that if the Wii U had sold really well in the first year?

david jarman

Thats not the point so stop trying to make a new arguement.

Do you think microsoft would have given away free dev kits too if nintendo didn’t?
The answer to my question is “no”

John Andalora

So, you tell me not to try and start another argument, then you start another “argument.”
Well well well.

To answer your question, I’d say yes. Self publishing has been a long standing issue that Microsoft has had with games, whivh only hurt their bottom line. They needed to get some positive press on their side, so giving indies the freedom to develop on their console would only benefit them.
I doubt they were even thinking about Nintendo at the time.

Now, on to my point. I doubt Nintendo would’ve tried reaching out to people if they didn’t have low sales. They’ve never been so hungry for 3rd party support, so I think something must be up with them right now.

david jarman

I don’t think so.

When Xbox one came out. They had the whole “screw everyone, this is how it is cause you’re going to buy our shit and like it” attitude and when fingers went up they started scratching theirs heads to why this isn’t working and then they saw what nintendo did with the indies and was like “oh, he’ll no!” “Indies if you just please abide by our rules a little you can have two dev kits. Give one to a friend”
If what you said was truly their attention it would have been announced from the get go and not made it up as they went.

John Andalora

Uh…

I agreed with you up to the “then they saw what Nintendo did with the indies.”

Again, self publishing has been a long-standing battle with Microsoft and indies. It’s not just something they did because they like to kick puppies and punch babies.

Also, you are sadly mistaken. If anything, Microsoft was concerned with Sony long before Nintendo. Here’s a tweet report that states Microsoft planned on doing this for a while, and that it isn’t just a response to Sony’s Indies.

Besides, why would they want to copy Nintendo? Selling such a low amount and getting such reviews as near failing, I can’t think of someone that would want to follow Nintendo in their footsteps right now.

david jarman

We are still in the first year and ms is now trying to do the same, but with more restrictions then nintendo.

John Andalora

First year smirst year.
The Wii ha a massive pile of games by this time. Wasn’t a freaking drought like we had.
And as for restrictions, they took practically all of those away. You don’t need the Kinect to br plugged in, no DRM, no Internet requirements, and that $6 a month fee gets dedicated servers to all games instead of just relying on other people’s internet.

I’d make an honest bet that the Xbox One will sell more in the first year than the Wii U did. Only thing stopping me from getting it is that I want a PS4 more.

david jarman

“The wii had a pile of games by this time”
No they didn’t. I had my wii day one same shit. Had my Xbox day 1 same shit only broken. My friend came over to play my Xbox cause his ps3 had less games and ps2 ports.

We were never talking about who will out sale who. Get your ps4 and Xbox.
As for the restriction comment. I was referring to their new indie games requirements.

A lot of those game were pushed back and came out near the end of 2007 like metroid corruption. Most those games were cannon fodder and was dry spell for what most nintendo gamers wanted which was the nintendo games. Plus, a lot games didn’t release in every country. It’s like reach for anything. First you’re about how wii u has no games that interest you, then you talk about how wii has so many games that third parties shitted in out direction. No man, wii u had a much better lunch line up. I have more games year one that I actually want to play. Ps4 and Xbox one have a lot of launch game dates turning into “tba” and their past with launches were not even near as decent as to what the wii u launched with. You don’t like it well then stick to ps4 and Xbox.

John Andalora

You can make as many excuses as you want, point is Wii had games that fit everybodys tastes.
And other launches for Sony were pretty good. At least good enough for 2 of their consoles to be the top selling consoles of all time.

Also, I don’t really know what a “lunch line-up” is, but Wii U’s launch was pretty weak. A bunch of games already on the market for other consoles, a few new titles, and promises of games that became delayed. Not a great launch.
And even if you say “yeah, well the launch sold more than other launches for other consoles,” when has that ever been a deciding factor for how good a console is? People care about the sales now, and the sales now are extremely weak. Getting better, but weak.

And I probably will stick to PS4. It’s got a much more interesting year one than Wii U.

david jarman

Nintendo was giving dev kits away for free to indie developers. Indie developers already stated the nintendo EShop model was the most friendly to Indie developers cause they have control over the pricing.

Keyser

I’m pretty sure Microsoft’s indie policies are much more restrictive than Nintendo and Sony, also Nintendo has been giving out free dev kits and Unity licenses…

Bitmin1991

I’m not talking about the policies. I’m talking about how much it costs to develop on each system. When it comes down to it, it’s all about money, and when indies purchase X1’s to develop on, they won’t need to take out a second mortgage.

david jarman

Free dev kits(nintendo)

Keyser

Yeah, but they can’t develop if Microsoft won’t let them… It doesn’t matter how cheap the dev kits are, the company with the friendliest indie policies will get the most games (especially if the give free dev kits like Nintendo!)
Also, with “inferior hardware” it will not be too difficult to develop for the Wii U…
You can believe what you want, but I do not believe Microsoft will, as you say, “win the indie war”

Petri

When they make a game, cost of dev kit is the least they have to worry as far as the expenses go.
Even indie devs working from a garage, can afford to buy the dev kit for the platform they prefer.
They wont just go, “hey, that dev kit is cheaper than that other one, lets scrap all our ideas and start working on that other platform”.
If they did that, they could very well develop for PC only.

But, if Xbone is same as full fledged dev kit, then that and supporting their controller (that they might have done by accident?) on PC, is pretty much only things they are doing right.
But not enough for me to buy their console.

Theiz Zzee

A console itself isn’t a dev kit and the ones given free kits are those approved not all.

Bitmin1991

OMG. Have you been living under a rock? Actually, EVERY XBOX ONE SOLD IS A DEV KIT! (Not at launch mind you, but it will be).

Besides, Microsoft right now is giving away two kits to any developer who signs up.

Theiz Zzee

No but, apparently you do. A console does not come with the tools to develop games. Developer kits are given to approved developers not handed out like flyers.

crocodileman94

An article like this one is guaranteed to be infected by trolls…

Moko

Where is GTA V? Not on the system which means crap third party support…no Nintendiologue can paper over such cracks….the system needs a complete reboot.

Steve

If Nintendo had not did to the Wii U what they did to the 3DS, earlier, I think the system would have better sales and better third party support. Nintendo clearly had an advantage by releasing the system ahead of the others. But they wasted it.

I hope they know what they are doing now. Competition is just around the corner.

Fred

Do you really think that extra $50 for the first 9 months made that big of a difference?

Steve

Who said I was talking about the price cut? I’ll give a hint: for the fist few months, my system wascsitting there collecting dust. Who would by a gaming system with a shortage of ____?

Know what I’m talking about now?

Fred

The other option would be to postpone the Wii U release date because the games weren’t ready so either they don’t get the head start or they don’t have as many games as YOU want (I emphasized you because I bought mine day 1 and there has always been enough games to keep me happy)

Petri

I bought mine day 1 too, and frankly, there’s too many games on Wii U.
But then again, I don’t have 8 hours a day to play games any more.

Steve

My our must be referring to the eShop games. Yes, there were plenty. But a lot were classic games that most have already played.

Meanwhile at retail, there is about twelve games, nine of which sucked balls.

Petri

No, retail games, I dont have many eShop games, and only Ducktales I have beaten so far out of them.
Because my time limitations, I buy eShop games only if there’s a discount.
16 games that has “beating value”.
And I have played through maybe 6 or 8.
Plus over 5 games that are fun to play from time to time, that does not include party or fitness games.

Fred

I’m with Petri, I’ve bought way more retail games than I have time to play. Last night I was playing NBA 2K13. I still haven’t even cracked the seal on Madden 13. Nor have I conquered several of the games I bought quite awhile ago.

oontz

madden 13 sucked on wiiu. it’s basically just madden 12 with an updated roster. Wiiu didn’t even get the new physics engine.

Fred

Fortunately for me I don’t have Madden 12 (the last Madden I bought was 2004 on the gamecube) so Madden 12 with an updated roster (plus the ability to use the touchscreen to change plays on the fly) is great for me. Especially for the price I paid for it ($12). I’m very happy; to me it’s a great game.

Yes. At first I thought Nintendo had learned from the 3DS. In fact, I was excited about the launch titles that were announced. Then I realized none of the good ones were coming out until way later.

david jarman

Don’t forget blackops 2 and need for speed those versions were much better. Oh and lego city undercover. You know what even our version of tekken was better and more robust. Batman was pretty decent and so was our enhanced version of Ninja Gaiden. I could punch mass effect in the face for just being decent quality rushed garbage.

However, now. I’m playing splinter cell, wonderful 101 and wind waker and more games are coming.

So guess what?
All console launches are like that!
PS3 was horrible at launch. Xbox… I don’t even want to talk about it.
Looking at GameStop ps4 and Xbox launch dates I see quite a few tba’s and dates for next year…this looks all too familiar

Steve

BO2 felt like a stripped down version of its other variants; and I already had it on PS3… Why buy it again?

Ninja Gaiden was awesome, I’ll give you that. Mask ken, meh! After playing most, if not all, it’s predecessors, it gets boring. Not really a fan of Lego or Batman.

But anyways, many point was Nintendo advertised all these games, with great first party titles coming soon. But it was exaggerated.

They should have released it later. It does not take but about a month for most players to finish a game. The long gaps between release dates did not help either.

david jarman

Actaully blops 2 is more crisp and clear with better lighting. The only thing we lack is dlc support. We get all features and local co-op is awesome with splitting up 1 person gamepad and one person tv.
However, I would like to mention that all launches are like that. So far I’m not seeing Xbox or ps4 being the exception.

oontz

1 word “slowdown” frame rate drops in BLOPS2 are more abundant on wiiu.

david jarman

Not enough to really notice or really care. I play both xbox360 and wiiu. Vsync always on and no screen tearing . Just like blacklist.

oontz

Well I notice them and that’s what matters to me.

david jarman

Not enough to say oh that’s horrible. In fact you wouldn’t really noticed it unless you were bench mark testing the frame rate. While ps3 had muddy texture and both the Xbox and ps3 had screen tearing. Not too mention it was straight port across as far as the campaign goes, but on multiplayer the wii u shines.

Fred

Don’t forget NBA 2K13 and Madden 13.

only god can judge me

Why be in the gaming business if you are not confident in your console you want to compete for the next generations of gaming.Nintendo has every right to be optimistic about their future that involves 3rd party support and as a wii u owner I am glad to hear that they still have faith in the wii u because I know I do.

Misfit410

And I want to be the kind of guy Jessica Alba wants to sleep with…. but yea, gonna take more than wishing.

Hulkamania

If Nintendo truly believes in their product, like their fans do, and they are extremely confident that third party developers will strongly publish games on the Wii U by next year… then Nintendo probably knows a whole lot more then what we know.

William Short

You right, most people talking don’t know nothing but yet continue to humiliate themselves with their lack of actual knowledge. Thats why its best to stay quite because, um who the ones that been operating a gaming company for years, nintendo and they know more than we think we know.

oontz

Just because a company knew how to operate in the past, doesn’t mean they still do. In business you need to change with the times… not just hope that it’ll work out because it did before.

Yobrolo

Or thy just say thy are confident to calm ppl. While in secret thy are working on a console that can compete whit xboxone and ps4

Petri

Since I bought Wii U day one, I have not felt dry on games.

Still have too many of them unfinished, and some that I would like to return to.
Though if you have too much time on your hands,
then it might be possible to run out of games.

It is sad that Nintendo is only one that is expected to grow
their user base with first party only.
But don’t know if its sadder, that Nintendo is the only one that could
survive with their first party only.

Marcus Navarro

The spacing of your lines is very interesting. As if you chose to not write in prose. I’m getting both the emphasis on certain parts of your comment and a rhythm of sorts.

Petri

English is not my first language, though my teacher said I use too much English comma on the writings of my own language.
Though that one space has been a typo, fixing that.

Marcus Navarro

Alright. I just thought you were writing in meter or something.

Edward

I have bought quite a few games as well for the Wii U and don’t have that much time to play. I have 31 games I bought for the Wii U (7 of them are eshop titles not VC games). Right now I’m trying to beat Resident Evil Revelations. This week I’m going to buy the Just Dance 2014 for my daughter and with the promotion Toy R Us is having I will get the physical version of Tank, Tank, Tank free. Also thinking about buying Tekken Tag Tournament since I seen it for 10 dollars.

Petri

I beat RE Revelations fairly quickly, but still would want to go back to it to play the raid mode, but I should try to beat some other games that have stacked up.
10 for tekken is a good bargain, I didnt enjoy it too much, because there’s too many characters to choose from and I dont like tag, I hope next main game gets on Wii U, I liked story modes on fighting games, they have something to look forward to finish it on every character.

Indie devs sure, major publisher devs not so much, devs for major companies don’t like to optimize so much, take a look at Rockstar and the minimum requirements they asked for Max Payne 3 and GTA IV then compare those games to other games and you’ll see how badly optimized they are.

Is_Mort

Nintendo only markets to 5-12 year olds. Why would 3rd parties come on board and be forced to limit to 5-12 age range? Only perverts and child molesters makes games for 5-12 year olds.

William Short

See there it goes again lack of actual knowledge. If you actual think that then, you my sir have the brains of a bottle cap.

oontz

Nintendo does market to younger audience, that is nintendo s direct demographic. Nintendo however is NOT a bunch of perverts and molesters. However many people from Japan are a bit weird, with their rape simulator games and all.

Newness

Wow…most ignorant statement ever. Really? Nintendo and people who
make games for kids are child molesters. My family and I enjoy nintendo games so wise up there’s a market for family friendly games. I’m a responsible family oriented father who purchases games to enjoy with my whole family.. With that said I will have a ps4 though for the exclusives and the more mature rated games but don’t write Wii u completely off as kiddie they do have call of duty and Zombi u

William Short

Thank you sir for stating this. This , I’m not going to call him a man but young male right here does not have the proper information about nintendo to be speaking of a company that been around for years

oontz

he is right for saying Nintendo markets to younger audience. That is factual that has been proved over the years.

However saying “Only perverts and child molesters makes games for 5-12 year olds.” is a pretty stupid statement. Be the same as saying any toy manufacturer is a pervert or molester.

NkoSekirei

ignore him hes just plain retarded just like the rest of his troll buddies

Mario

So I’m guessing you’re not a fan of family friendly games?

Reza Far

I agree that Nintendo make toys but you are so dumb for what you said its hard to believe you know how to exhale and inhale…

Is_Mort

2. Children already grew up 1 year since Nintendo released Wii U. They are already out of the Wii U age group and ready to move to ps4.

Caitlin♂

I think the Wii U will get more JRPG’s, RPG’s and anime like games, opposed to the hyper-realism the other consoles will be going for. Let’s just hope they localize those games or, actually do a international eShop and cross-buy.

William Short

Nintendo said they do cross buys if developers does it. That means the dev doing cross buy

Petri

I think Nintendo should go halfsies there.
Don know how Sony does it, but that would induce more devs to take part on it.

blaster man

Tales of Vesperia. Tales of Graces F. Tales of Xillia. Tales of Xillia 2. Final Fantasy 13-3. Valkyria Chronicles. Ni No Kuni. Star Ocean 4. I could go on, there’s tons of JRPG’s that have been released primarily for PS3 at this point. None have come to Wii U as a port nor have any of the upcoming releases been announced as a Wii U game.

Oh wait, I see what you’re saying, “X” will come to the Wii U and Pokemon. Two games.

Mario

They forgot to add SEGA here.

prettypinkpanacea

Love your work!

Mario

What work?

prettypinkpanacea

Software development in general is an iterative process that constantly focuses on refining the code. It wouldn’t surpise me if Nintendo have been refining the U code behind closed doors and waiting to release it when the time is right.

Adam Porter

well tbh i think it WOULD surprise everyone else, a year in and very little quality gaming to show for it. best game yet is a gamecube port that was every bit as good back when it was on the gamecube.

Donato Camino

EA always had a very bad relationship with nintendo, since the very start. Plus EA sucks!!

NkoSekirei

yep and Ea is run by monkeys

blaster man

I quite liked Dragon Age Origins thank you very much. Also, I have heard nothing of Skyrim or any other Bethesda game coming out for Wii U (Insert OMFG BETHESDA GAMES ARE BUGGY HERE). Millions of people love those games, flaws and all.

david jarman

Millions of fans were also outraged about skyrim, especially the ps3 fiasco.

blaster man

As I wrote above:
(Insert OMFG BETHESDA GAMES ARE BUGGY HERE).

david jarman

I know. I’m inserting.

Daniel Gonzalez

That’s what she said.

Marcus Navarro

EA has nothing to do with DA: O besides its publishing. They did work their DLC magic with DA2, which sucked anyway. DA:O’s fantastic.

Adecentboy777

” ….and we know that current Wii U owners are very happy with their purchases.”HEHEHE!!! LOL! The best joke ever! 🙂 I know there are enough who are not! Nintendo, you failed with Wii U! Try to accept it and change your strategy, cause the current one is not good enough to get the hardcore gamers with a shitty and postponed or just skipped games! As for the 3rd parties, most of them do something for PS4 and XBONE – no one is investing money in a consol with some million sold consoles after a one year sale! Common…. Nintendo, you really made me laugh! At least this was for free! :)))

NkoSekirei

wow a poor excuse of a troll

Adecentboy777

Well, I’m not a troll, just a guy who says the truth and is not under the NINTENDO SPELL like you! 🙂

I’m happy with my Wii U. Is that a problem? Also, learn to spell please. It’s hard to take you seriously…though, I highly doubt you are being serious.

Adecentboy777

Believe me, I am pretty serious! Nintendo disappointed me a big time with Wii U. They have nothing to get to the top. They failed with the game line up, they failed with the marketing, they failed with the hardware and with 3rd parties. Enough said! Let’s speek the results for themselves! Ohh, there are almoust no results or achievements…Well, well, just like I said before…Nintendo failed!!!

00EpicGamer00

“They have nothing to get to the top.”
Umm…they have a powerful console that can compete fairly with the PS4 and Xbone. I realize the other two consoles are slightly more powerful, but the Wii U is strong enough to compete fairly.
They also have the games we’ve all been waiting for. Smash bros. and Mario Kart, and whatever other future games Nintendo has up their sleeves. Sure, those games aren’t coming till 2014 at the earliest, but it will most likely help sell some consoles.

“They failed with the game line up.”
I’m not sure if you’re talking about a while ago, just when the console launched. Or if you’re talking about now. If you’re talking about before, then I guess you are technically correct. But, personally for me, I had quite a few games I played for a little while such as Nintendoland, Scribblenauts, and Assassin’s Creed. I only had those 3 games for a while, but they kept me busy.
If you’re talking about now, then we have Wind Waker (which is a very awesome game), Pikmin 3, Scribblenauts Unmasked, the new Assassin’s Creed is right around the corner. Honestly, to me, there’s plenty of games for us,, until the big hitters get here.

“They failed with the marketing.”
This is really the only plausible argument you have, but, Nintendo had some good commercials. Like the Pikmin 3 one. I know that’s only like one good commercial, but there will be more. I heard that Nintendo recently bought a company known for making good commercials, and this company made commercials for Sony.

“They failed with the hardware and with 3rd parties.”
Umm, no they didn’t. Like I addressed before, Nintendo has a powerful console that can compete fairly with the PS4 and Xbone.
As for 3rd parties, you must of been living under a rock. Nintendo has support from Ubisoft, Warner Brothers, Activision, Disney, Capcom, Sega. Just because they don’t have support from (yet) Rockstar or Naughtydog, doesn’t mean that they failed with 3rd parties.

“No results or achievements.”
….Really? This is like the BEST argument you could think of? Who the heck cares about stupid achievements? All I care about is playing fun games in my spare time. I don’t need achievements to keep me coming back. The games themselves is what keeps me coming back. Look at Harvest Moon or Animal Crossing for example. Those games have no achievements, and not really a main point either, but those games are really fun and enjoyable. Isn’t that SUPPOSE to be the whole point of a game in the first place? You know, to be fun? To actually enjoy yourself and not constantly worrying about a worthless achievement system?

Adecentboy777

Epic Gamer. I’ve read your comment till “they have a powerful console that can compete fairly with the PS4 and
Xbone. I realize the other two consoles are slightly more powerful, but
the Wii U is strong enough to compete fairly” – OH MY GOD, you have no clue! Do your home work first and then we talk! Wii U is slightly better then PS3/XBOX 360 and far far away from PS4/XBONE! Read the techs and the oppinions of devs about Nintendo Wii U first before saying such a bullshit! You made me laugh! :))

00EpicGamer00

Okay? So, what’s your point? That the Wii U will fail because it’s not as powerful as the other 2? Yeah, your not smart at all. Look at the Wii, it had the worst graphics out of the two, but beat them. Also, you should know that pretty graphics don’t sell a console. Look at the Gamecube, it was the most powerful out of the three. But it didn’t sell that well. I believe Sony won the console war there. And, guess what? Sony didn’t have the most powerful console at that time. Just, please, try to use both sides of your brain. It can be quite helpful, you know?

Now, I suggest you quit being immature, and grow up. We don’t need anymore trolls on this site, especially a pathetic one like yourself. Oh, I’m glad you laughed, bcause it shows you can’t handle a conversation appropriatly. Oh, and uh, if you’re going to copy and past what I said, do it correctly (what up with the space?) Oh, and learn to read a full post, its not hard at all. Reading till the first sentence, is like a kindergarten reading level. In fact, I think kindergartners would be able to read at least a full paragraph.

Adecentboy777

LOL! Believe me, I know exactly what I am talking about 🙂 Take a look at the results Nintendo achieved in the past one year with Wii U. You see something? Cause I don’t. Almoust nothing there 🙂 By the way I am not a troll. I own the Wii U and even have some games on it, BUT if I look back and recall what Nintendo said one year ago and promised us gamers and I compare that to the results today then I have to laugh 🙂 As for the grammar, try to be fluent in 5 languages first and get 2 college degrees before you think we’re one the same level silly boy! I never told you I am a native speaker, did I? Silly one! 🙂

00EpicGamer00

Nintendo kept their promise. There’s games for the Wii U that are enjoyable right now, so your argument for this is invalid. If you know 5 languages, then know how to speak them properly (you’re a little late to be addressing this issue.) “Silly boy.”…..hmm, funny how you think I’m a boy.

Edit: Also, just because you bought the Wii U, doesn’t mean you’re not a troll. I’ve seen people that bought the 3DS just to make fun of it.

Adecentboy777

Nintendo didn’t keep their promise, believe me. Just do your home work and read more game magazines and see the truth!!! Don’t be blinded by NINTENDO! But I think it is already to late for you. I own also a Wii and owned other Nintendo products and played a lot with SNES. I played a lot before but since there are almoust no good games for me I play less, much less. But thanks God I own a PS3 too and PS4 is here soon. So Next Gen will wipe out Nintendo. It will not have a chance in term of beating PS4 or XBONE. Believe me, I can speek properly, so do not worry about that! But as I said, you proved that you have no clue about the Wii U capabilities, cause you already made it even with NextGen. Enjoyable Games for Wii U? How much of them? The same story as before, Mario, Mario 3D (soon), Donkey Kong is postponed and so long. They were so desperate, that they even created Super Luigi U. Well, Luigi get old, 30, so let’s take the Super Mario Bros U development tools and let’s do something, cause there are no games. How pathetic is that? New Zelda? Not in next 1-2 years, instead let’s take an older version and make a HD verion out of it – that’s what Nintendo did. I am not choosing sides, but SONY did a lot of good things and made the right choices with PS4. AND Nintendo? Nintendo failed big time with Wii U. Wii U will not sell well in the future. It’s an overpriced hardware with no games on it compared to PS4/XBONE line up, so that’s a fail to me. Just look how many developers are working on NextGen (PS4/XBONE) projects and how many on Wii U. You need numbers? Wann see some links? But it wonn’t help you anyway, since you so blind. Blinded by the big N, nothing else matters for you. The truth hurts, right? No matter if you’re a guy/girl, you still have no clue!

00EpicGamer00

Ranting a bit aren’t you? Listen troll, there’s plenty of games for Wii U right now that I (and lots of other people) enjoy playing right now. If you’d quite being an idiot, and actually open your eyes to the world, you’ll see there’s lots of fun games for Wii U. Once again, isn’t that the purpose of video games? To be fun? Playing video games is just a hobby….you know this, right? You act as if video games are so important that’d you’d take your own life for them.

I don’t care much about game delays. I’m kind of glad DK got delayed, why? Because I barely have enough time to play any games anyway. It’ll be better to play DK over Summer vacation, rather Christmas vacation….I’ll be able to play it for a longer time. Good enough for me.

Super Mario Bros. U is not that bad. It’s a good game. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t. Super Luigi U is a DLC sort of thing. Yes, they released a physical copy. But Luigi U was really meant for DLC.

The remake of Wind Waker is just to hold us over until the new one comes out. How the heck do you not know this? They said this, like, a million times by now. Besides, I love that they remade that game. I never got the chance to play the original version. And when I heard they were remaking it, I was so happy :3. That game is so adorable and fun. I can’t believe how much I really like that game.

“Next Gen will wipe out Nintendo.” Lol, you are definitely trolling xD. Sure, Nintendo will have some competition, but they won’t be “wiped out.” See the Wii for example. Everyone thought the Wii would fail because how “weak” the graphics were, but the Wii won. The Wii didn’t have much 3rd party support and STILL won.

“Believe me, I can speek properly.” Yeah, umm, no you can’t. Come on! You can’t even spell “speak” correctly.

Umm, the crappy Xbox one’s game lineup is, well….crappy. Come on, there’s nothing on that console. And it’s way to expensive! I can think of a few better things I could spend $500 with. Same with the PS4. There’s no games that interest me. The only game that looks interesting is Kingdom hearts 3. But I’m not investing in a $400 console for one game. Yeah, no thank you.

Lol, I find it REALLY funny how you think the Wii U is overpriced at $300, when the Xbone is $500, and allot worse.

Adecentboy777

I am not ranting, I am just said because you don’t understand my point of view. Many people think the same way I do and they are telling the truth. BUT for some reason some people are not willing to listen, cause they ignore the truth. As for calling me a troll, you know you can call me whatever you want to, it’s your decision and I respect it. You probably call everyone a troll just because they are not in love with the Wii U! 🙂 As for the PS4, it is not expensive as it gives you a lot in term of hardware and exclusives. If I compare the Wii U with a price of 300 $ to PS4 with a price of 400 $ then probably I paid, just like all the people (including you) more for Wii U. You paid 100 $ less, but you got a PS3 in another form and it is far away from PS4. As for XBONE, I agree with you at least on this. But still XBONE will be selling much better then the Wii U, cause some guys still belive what Microsoft says or just blinded by them just like you by the Wii U. Even if Microsoft tried to rip them off and fooled them, they keep going back to them. On other hand, some people wanna have a central media station for movies, tv etc. For them it’s a perfect choice. Nothing wrong with that! OK, you don’t like the PS4 games, that’s ok, I accept it. But They at least keep their word. I bought the Wii U cause Nintendo solemnly promised to bring a ton of games, not only first party games but 3rd partys as well. And just look what happend in the past one year, almoust nothing. That’s a fail to me, a big one as I mentioned before.

Fail 1: no communication – the majority of the people have no clue about the Wii U, they think it’s some plus device to the Wii. They were not informed. AND as you know if the console do not sale well, then no 3rd partys will develop for it, why should they? It’s not worth it. They had even problems with the 3rd party developers. Some tested the Wii U and just laughed and said no right away – great Nintendo, you did the opposite. Bayonetta 2 is coming but just because Nintendo has put money into it, cause otherwise… Another great story!

The developers agreed on one thing – Wii U is another Gamecube, so called Gamecube 2 🙂 And Gamecube was a fail in term of selling and making money on it. Nintendo creates a hardware and brings the typical Nintendo games like Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda and that’s all. I love these games and I played them all through, but I need more fancy games not only Nintendo ones. That’s not something I was willing to pay for. I need more just like each of us if they buy a console. They made a lot of marketing mistakes and they keep doing so and that’s ridiculous.

Fail 2: They promised to win over the hardcore gamers, cause Wii was bought mostly by casual gamers, and the real money comes in with the hardcore guys who buy games not once or twice a year, but each month. In the last years Nintendo was not profitable with the Wii, they admitted it. WHY? Cause the the casual gamers didn’t buy more Wii’s and the hardcore guys sticked to PS3/XBOX360
BUT in order to win over the hardcore gamers you need a hardware, and the hardware of Wii U, sorry for being rude, is a piece of shit compared to PS4.

Well, of course if you’re a casual gamer then just forget everything I wrote cause you’d not understand anyway and that’s ok.

Adam Porter

i don’t agree with the blatant trolling but i can’t agree with all the ass-licking nintendo fanboys on here either. there are no excuses left for the wiiU and nintendo, it’s a struggling console and that’s when it has the new console market all to itself, it will die a quick death in every market other than japan as soon as the new consoles hit shelves.
and nintendo the reason that alot of people who bought the wiiU are happy with it so far is because they are nearly all die-hard ninty fans, if you can’t make us reasonably happy with our purchase of your console then what hope does it have with any other gamers??

Guest

“New console market all to itself” you seem to be forgetting that this isn’t 2006 where people are willing to shell out money for new consoles especially since the current gen ones are going to get almost all of the games next gen consoles will be getting at least well in to next year. And I can imagine many many people will hold off from buying Xbox One and PS4 due to the fact that neither are really offering much incentive to get them seeing as a majority of the big name titles are still coming to current gen. You can think Wii U will be done when they come out but PS4 isn’t offering anything big enough to sway people to buy the console until next year and Xbox One has a great line up but won’t be available in nearly as many markets as Wii U. Keep beating the Nintendo is doomed drum people have been doing it for years and what….whats that? …. Nintendo is in better shape than both Microsoft and Sony….they actually make a profit….what?

blaster man

Wait a second. Nintendo made a profit? I love it when people just say shit without explaining it. Nintendo LOST MONEY last year. Nintendo made a MINISCULE profit the last quarter. That entire profit was derived from a lucky currency conversion because the Japanese government was printing more money over the last year than the US government which made the Yen weak compared to the dollar. That’s the ONLY reason they made any money this year. That kind of lucky break is not at all certain next year, especially with the current politics.

Now for some facts, Nintendo sold more 3DS’s than ever before last quarter. All the massive profits from 3DS hardware and software was completely wiped out by Wii U hardware and development losses. The Wii U is an albatross around Nintendo’s neck. Don’t believe me? Look for yourself.http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130731e.pdf

Adam Porter

well said, at this point wiiU is dead weight and it’ll only get worse, it won’t be the end of nintendo but it will be a sizeable hurdle to overcome especially if the new consoles are adopted quickly, ninty will have to wait atleast 7 years to try and dominate our living-rooms again

blaster man

They were still losing money on hardware when they lowered the price. So now whatever losses they were taking before per console sold, add $50 to it. That’s not good for their bottom line. If they sell too many consoles, they’ll post another annual loss but do better with software sales. I don’t know if the Wii U has enough years in it to break even in the long run though. I doubt it will ever sell like the PS3 has.

If they can’t sell enough consoles, they’ll lose even more money because of their software development costs. Nintendo has admitted that “HD is harder than we expected” which really just means that it took longer and more staff to develop games in HD than they released. That means it costs more money. This is what the rest of the industry ran into years ago. Nintendo should have had the luxury of looking at what happened to the rest of the industry and adequately prepared but they didn’t.

While most 3rd party studios need to sell 2 million games to break even, Nintendo will be somewhere in the 1-1.5 million range because it doesn’t need to pay a licensing fee to the platform holder. So far only a couple of Wii U games have come close to these sales figures. Think about it, 1-1.5 million out of a 3.5 million userbase? That’s somewhere in the neighborhood of 28-42% of all console owners (varying based on any individual game’s development cost) need to buy any given game. A game like The Wonderful 101 is probably so far in the red that they’ll never make a sequel.

Adam Porter

a very good point, and one i raised before in a different topic, the userbase is so small it makes it really hard for any games to become financially successful, though a game selling 300,000 units, though not a financial success, would be a big success considering it sold to 9-10% of a consoles userbase.

Reza Far

Yes thats a good point.

But the loss on the hardware was small before, true that its gotten bigger now, but if someone bought 1 game with the hardware before Nintendo made money, now people have to buy 3 games for them to make money.

Nobody buys a console with the intention to buy no more than 3 games.

Although this is Nintendo’s toughest fight yet…i personally think the Wii U will crash and burn, but thats not going to be because it isn’t making money, its going to be because it wont be cost effective to continue making games for it (therefore making it redundant).

blaster man

Reggie said they only needed one game sold to be revenue positive but later they retracted that statement.

In a story about Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime, Fils-Aime incorrectly said that Nintendo makes a profit on the Wii U console after consumers buy one piece of software. The number is more than one, but the company declined to say the exact number.

Reza Far

No Nintendo didn’t lose money.

They lost on the Wii U, but they made back on the 3DS, overall as a company they have made money.

Adam Porter

i never said the company was doomed, just the console. ps4 and xbone do have something to offer, they are new tech, that’s all they need to be, and to top it off they are reasonably priced, if you think the console market is stagnant based on slow wiiU sales then i’d say you are very wrong, these new consoles are the reason wiiU sales are slow everyone is waiting to buy them. now i’m not saying that they will be better, or that the games will be better, just that they WILL be more popular and vastly so. the idea nintendo had that wiiU would be a console for all gamers when it announced wiiU and the dream it wrongly clings to to this day is dead and gone, they had their chance they could have blown everyone away, they had a whole year to do it, but as soon as everyone realised that it had little to offer over their older consoles other than new ninty games it was already dead, and because of that nintendo franchises this gen could take a serious blow unless nintendo ditch the wiiU and bring out a new better console.

blaster man

Personally, I think the Wii U was doomed from the start with the gamepad. Like it or not – and Nintendo’s faithful don’t like it – it’s compared to the iPad and more people buy an iPad in a month than have bought the Wii U in a year. They made a mistake with that controller. It costs too much to produce which makes them uncompetitive with current gen consoles and barely cheaper than the PS4 even after their price cut. Also, I just don’t think people want the tablet controller…

Adam Porter

tbf i like the controller, i was a mistake, but i still like it, browsing the net, using it for off tv-play, operating the OS it’s head and shoulders above microsoft kinect imo.

blaster man

I don’t think people are interested in it. That said, I do think off screen play is a good thing and something their marketing departments is terrible at explaining. If they had a commercial of a kid playing Mario then dad comes in and tells him to turn it off because the big game is about to come on and the kid instead switches to off TV play, I think that would have made a huge difference, especially if they had opted to spend the money for a Super Bowl ad. Nintendo is too thrifty in many ways. Their Nintendo Direct ads just don’t explain what the Wii U is to the majority of the population. What better way to tell the entire US at once than with a Super Bowl ad? They could have had the mom pop her head in at the last second and say something along the lines of “Does this play my WiiFit too?” Whoever they hired for advertising needs to be fired.

Adam Porter

your bang on the money, not often you find someone who thinks reasonable, rational thoughts on this site. i think the gamepad could have been a “handy” feature, advertised as you explained i think it would’ve caught on, but nintendo made a huge mistake of focusing far too much on the controller especially as they had few innovative ideas on how to use it, and not to mention how confusing it was for casuals to understand that it was a complete new system not just another peripheral for the wii. marketing strategy was very poor, plus they should have had at least on dev lined up with a great deal to make the killer must have game for launch that wiiU still hasn’t had a year later.

oontz

I wish the wiiu only had the pro controller and the extra (gamepad) money was used instead to beef up the console. We probably wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

Damian Waga

Wouldn’t matter, no-one buys Nintendo consoles for their power, otherwise the GameCube and N64 would have destroyed the PS2 and PS1, the Wii would have sunk in sales, and the Vita would be having a fun time dominating the portable console sales.

oontz

No you’re missing my point. The gamepad and Nintendo’s desire to be different is why we are, where we are. Devs don’t want to spend more money to utilize the gamepad.

Damian Waga

What do you mean “why we are, where we are”?
Nintendo knows that stronger hardware won’t sell its console. It’s been proven time and time again. If all they did was go for power and not try something else, it would still be sinking in sales. Why would you want the Wii U to be a just another PS4/XOne?

oontz

Nintendo’s choices to go against the grain is what started alienating developers many generations ago. It didn’t just start now.

Damian Waga

It still wouldn’t make a difference. Even if Nintendo dropped the tablet and made a standard console with on-par visuals, what would that do? People will see the same 3 consoles with a different brand name. Nintendo fans will the the Wii U, Sony fans will buy the PS4, and Xbox fans will buy the XOne. Nothing will change. In this way there is enough “new” to get people from other consoles interested, now that Nintendo games will in HD instead of 480i.

oontz

“Even if Nintendo dropped the tablet and made a standard console with on-par visuals, what would that do?”

It would mean many gamers including myself would only need to buy one console instead of 2.. to be able to enjoy nintendo exclusives and all the amazing 3rd party content. From a development point of view… you have 4 outputs for your games. PC, MS, SONY, and Nintendo. When one of those 4 always tries so hard to be different. You need t decide if its viable to put your resources into making a dedicated game or port for that DIFFERENT system.

Reza Far

The only reason Nintendo are making money is because their making toys for $50 and selling them for $60 (this is just an example of what Nintendo are doing), but they are making a cheap gimmickey toy, and their selling it at a small profit margin (enough to cover their production and marketing costs with a bit of change to store in the banks).

They are not taking any risks and they are not being in any way inventive at all (if you think the gamepad controller is inventive then your too stupid to breath, even worse would be to think Nintendo came up with the idea…)

But the fact is, Nintendo big wigs are in panic mode, we know this because they made a statement like this in the first place, we know this because there are gamers out there who dont know the Wii U is a console… GAMERS….people who play GAMES… dont know the Wii U is a new consoles…. this is not just bad, this is life threatening for Nintendo… for there to be gamers in the world today in this day of technology and information at the fingertips, for the Wii U to go unnoticed by GAMERS…the very demographic it seeks to attract to its product…for them not to know the Wii U is a new console (or in some cases…exists) its realllllllly bad, a lot worse than you Nintendo Fans are letting on (i am one too, got my Wii U, 3ds Wii n64 gamecube ect ect…).

There are no If’s and But’s with the Wii U anymore – this is a dying console.

Dez

Let the trolls bitch, their tears only serve as fuel for Nintendo. Every single time critics, analysts, etc. count Nintendo out, they always make some huge turnaround and are rolling in the money again. The 3DS is just dominating the handheld world and has great third-party and indie support. Wii U has really good indie support and more third-party support than the Wii had. I’m actually impressed with the amount of progress they’ve made in under a year.

Many of the developers who say the Wii U is weak have failed to really learn to optimize what they have to work with. Why is it that all the indie developers praise the system and say it is way stronger than PS3/360? Obviously since they’ve taken the time to work with the system and learn to really make the most of it. EA would never take the time to learn to optimize the power of the Wii U since they just want to push out something as fast/easy as possible which is a lazy approach for a greedy company. Sure, Nintendo has some work to do to really win over the indie devs and remove some of those terrible restrictions, but they are already doing quite well.

Wii U sells are on the rise, a strong library is starting to form, their 2014 lineup already demolishes anything I’ve heard/seen from the competition. Still want to see that big October update and unified account, but Nintendo is getting through their growing pains faster than Sony which suffered for quite a while before it really started picking up steam. I don’t think the Wii U lineup for this holiday season is anything incredible especially after the delay of Donkey Kong, but it should still do quite well against the PS4/X-bone.

This brings me to my last point. Stop announcing games just to delay them Nintendo! If it isn’t ready, don’t just keep throwing out expected release dates to built hype then destroy it! I just wish you were more like Blizzard in this regard, don’t hint at a release date until you are fairly certain you can hit that window. You’ve done this for years and it has to stop.
Before someone mentions that Miyamoto quote, games that are released which are incomplete/poor can still be redeemed via patching and expansions. That quote doesn’t always hold up, I mean look at D3, it was such a disappointment, but several patches later it feels like a different game and the expansion is looking to completely fix all that went awry with the game. Okay, end rant.

Guest

Nintendo has to be worried about its lack of 3rd party support, but it doesn’t help ease shareholder concerns to act panicked, so they talk about their upcoming holiday lineup (which is actually decent, but a not quite what they need to steal back the 10-15 year old demographic that they’re losing in droves to mobile devices and Microsoft/Sony’s casual player push).

Nintendo’s Wii U installed base will definitely jump over the holiday season (Super Mario 3D World alone has to be worth at least a few Wii U purchases), but as much as I’m a fan, I think they’d be foolish to believe their holiday lineup is going to galvanize the general public (i.e. not Nintendo diehards) toward massive/lasting Wii U support.

This holiday was THE chance for Nintendo to make serious inroads with “core” (typically over age 13) gamers and I don’t believe they’ve done enough to do that. It wasn’t realistic for Nintendo to try to push out their next new Zelda or Metroid last holiday just post-launch, but THIS holiday season should have been a blockbuster assault of epic proportions (which I just don’t see, looking at the release calendar). During the R&D phase of Wii U, somebody at Nintendo HQ should have been screaming “We need to have Zelda Wii U ready by holiday 2013!” ad nauseam.

Instead we get an HD remake (a beautiful HD remake of a wonderful game, but still a remake). Holiday dollars are finicky dollars and holiday releases of remakes, or retro/experimental takes on (I’m looking at you Super Mario 3D World) staple franchises don’t seem to be the way to inspire “take my money now!” enthusiasm in those who aren’t already Nintendo diehards.

That said, Nintendo is what it is, so I wouldn’t bet on them ever becoming a major 3rd party player. They should keep doing what they do better than anybody, and that’s creating best-in-industry software. Still, they’re in SERIOUS need of new internally-developed IPs. They need to show more commitment toward reinvigorating and or rethinking their current franchises (I love what Eiji Aonuma said recently about Zelda Wii U), and they need to develop a groundbreaking, unit-moving, AAA title that appeals across demographic lines (and for the record I know this isn’t easy, and I’m thinking more in the line of Street Fighter II groundbreaking, and less GTA III groundbreaking).

KoopaShell

Wow, I didn’t except there to be 5-paragraph essays on Wii U Daily.

FamicomPenguin

The reason why 3rd parties are pulling back support for the Wii U is obviously because it’s not selling well. But it’s not selling well because there’s not enough 3rd party support. So it’s a vicious cycle that few consoles have ever broke free from.

But there’s a much larger issue with the Wii U: Brand confusion and misadvertisment. Seriously, the Wii U has got to have the worst marketing I’ve ever seen on a console. Not only hasn’t there been any more than 5 advertisements for the Wii U in the past 10 months, but Nintendo is so obsessive with the Gamepad. I get it. It’s a brand new and unique idea that screams Nintendo’s quirkiness, but the Gamepad is the ONLY thing Nintendo has been advertising for the Wii U in the past 11 months. And because of this, you won’t believe how many people think the Wii U is a Wii peripheral. IIt’s so painful talking to Wii casuals about the Wii U, yet I can’t blame them because it’s not their fault. Even a close friend of mine, who’s really into gaming, has no idea the Wii U is a video game console. I say, Nintendo needs to cut off the Gamepad bull$%&^ and actually advertise the console. And inform people that Wii U is A BRAND NEW VIDEO GAME CONSOLE. A large and effective advertising campaign will help Wii U sales. And with a simple sales push from such campaign, 3rd parties will become more interested, thus more development on the Wii U = more sales.

The thing is, I’m not sure if Nintendo has heard the message. We don’t just want more Wii U advertising, we want less Gamepad crap, more Wii U console and features advertising. So consumers will actually know the Wii U is a new console.

Silent

Go to page 2011-2013 in your textbook, and read the section under Nintendo 3ds aloud for the class.

FamicomPenguin

The 3DS came out early 2011. It didn’t have a lot of games, and it was $250, the price of it’s upcoming competitor the Vita. After the price cut, there was a significant sales increase, but the real sales increase was when Super Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 7 came out.

Reasons for 3DS not selling well at first:
-No games
-Expensive as hell
-3D was a gimmick

The Wii U came out late 2012. It had a decent line up of games, but after that it was an empty 8 months. After selling only 160,000 Wii U’s in 3 months, Nintendo made a price drop and listed a bunch of upcoming games that HOPEFULLY will increase sales up the @$$.

Reasons for the Wii U not selling well:
-No games
-Too expensive for the average casual
-96 million people don’t know that the Wii U is a video game console

The True Gamer

I think Nintendo messed up bad with the Wii u name. The name Wii 2 could have appealed to younger and casual gamers. Few people realize Wii u is a new system, and Nintendo could have avoided lacking sales with a better name choice. More games near launch would help, but the name would have helped sales a lot.

Chibi RAWR

We want Wii U to be the console that every developer wants to publish on”

and I can list 20 other games… Also don’t forget for multis like batman arkham origins you don’t get the entire content included and now Assassin’s Creed 4 is following. needless to say those multis will play better on PS4/XB1 version & out of all systems PS4 gets the most amount of untimed exclusive content for said multi. WD’s is longer on ps4. Same for AC4 and Destiny.

Nintendo I’m sorry but your system is a second hand system. your 3rd party support = horrible

Guest

Those are games that aren’t coming to Wii U….good job. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that they “Want” every developer to publish there games on Wii U. Go on list games that aren’t coming to Wii U make yourself look like a moron.

xXbox4EverXx

your butthurt makes yourself look like a dumbass fanboy! I like nintendo I own a 3ds xl which I like and a wii u which… is falling behind tbh… (I know my name is xbox 4 ever and shit but that dosent mean im saying bad stuff to nintendo on purpose! I believe the wii u has the potential!) What nintendo needs to do is fire iwata and reggie, cause tbh, there like obama. oooh we want wii u to get appeal!!!! we are going to get tons of third party support!!! they should stop promising shit and get off their lazy asses and pay third parties some cash to make the games for wii u! I know i will get downvoted for my name or for what i said but im speaking the truth!

joey t

I agree with you, they really need to take a new direction. Break away from this ‘our products need to appeal to everyone approach’. Because basically it just isn’t working for them on the home console scene. Take GTA 5 for example, it’s an R rated game and gone on to be the fasted selling game of all time not to mention biggest turnover in the entertainment industry (including blockbuster movies) and that is a mature game. Why can’t nintendo make some mature 1st party games, because if they tried they could make some dam good games. But also with where the console stands on a power point, it just isn’t going to work for them. I think they should of just waited with the launch on the wii U, made it a lot more powerful and capable, ahead of this gen instead of just keeping up, because when those multi plat games come out with crazy multiplayer capabilities (BF4 64 player etc) the Wii U is just not even going to get glimpsed at.

xXbox4EverXx

THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN! mr.iwata either, has to pay developers to port there games to wii u or make a new system, and believe me they have tons of money leftover from the 3ds

Damian Waga

The question is whether its Nintendo’s fault for missing out for these games.
When you think about it, almost every game here would have had come to the console if it had a higher install base. The hardware wouldn’t matter for the same reason the GameCube and XBox had less support than the PS2, despite less power, and most devs would probably just say that the Wii U is powerfull enough.

AM Real

I hate when these things come to light…It makes Nintendo look like they are forever late to the party…OF COURSE you need a big install base of people to attract 3rd party developers! Why didn’t they know this when the system launched? I would rather them stay quite and just do it rather than talk about it…-_-

Geoffrey Tasker

I’m going to get down voted for this but:

if nntendo wanted this console to appeal to third parties they sould have released a generation ago…

I want to see the wii u do well but the competition already saying they won’t support there current gen much longer which mean this time next year don’t expect many ports

my wii u will end up what my wii was, a nintendo exclusives player

Vakua Dorn

I wouldn’t mind publishing on wii u, but I’ve been wondering, when you buy a physical version of a wii u game, can you then download the digital version for free? if it doesn’t, it would be a good idea for them to do it!

xXbox4EverXx

keep dreaming nintendo………

GuardiansFan

if they could add some kind of support for Java (not javascript) they would have me. It would also help migrate tons of Android apps/games fairly easily because a good percentage are written in Java.

I have no idea why you assumed that would mean all games would end up on the system (or even a large percentage). Do you honestly think Nintendo would just allow any migrated games to end up on their system? This would simply make the migration easier. Those games and developers still have to go through a process to get it on to the system. Developing the game is one thing but isnt a slam dunk when it comes to Nintendo giving their ok. on top of that if you want the game to be successful on the wii u, the developers likely have to make further modifications with that system in mind. The more options the more variety of games that will be created for the system…this would allow more options thats all.

Reza Far

Dont panic.

They done it to themselves already without his help…

Guest

Nintendo, which I’ll always love, hasn’t been a high-end consumer electronics manufacturer since the NES days. They now play the “let’s print money (as long as we can) and raise our stock by selling neutered hardware at a profit” game.

Thanks, in large part to Nintendo, video games have become mainstream to the point of ubiquity, creating an environment in which they’re no longer looked at as toys…but Nintendo in the meantime, became COMPLETELY stock-market focused (and less worried about creating sustainable platforms for BOTH their titles and 3rd party developers). Nintendo reps always seem to talk of creating the next great innovation for developing new, exciting video game experiences, yet they refuse to do it at cost (which is always suspicious for the end-user). Enter: gimmickry. Different is good, but different for different’s sake, is just, um, sort of manipulative (particularly for parents who don’t know anything about video games).

Just to illustrate how obviously worried Nintendo got about keeping their stock value steady-to-rising (which is never a bad thing, but sometimes you have to step backward to leap forward), look at the suggested retail prices of the machines they’ve released over the years adjusted for inflation to 2013:

Some people will only see that since the SNES, (which never quite gained the unquestioned dominance of the home console market so many Nintendo fans seem to remember), system value has never strayed too far from the $200 SRP “sweet spot” as Nintendo reps like to call it. But besides the Wii, which attracted a whole new audience to video games with its control simplicity, what has that sweet spot really done for Nintendo except push it off into its own misunderstood (read: toy) corner of the market?

Not getting caught up in “tech wars” can be a good thing, but as far as the Wii U is concerned, I’m really not sure the “less is more” (except for the gimmickry; “hey look at our neat-o tablet controller!”) approach was what was best for the long-term success of their platform. But hardware development strategy is best left to older, wiser men, I suppose.

xXbox4EverXx

amen

pandaman27

What a post! Yes, this is precisely the point that Nintendo figure heads never come around on. At points throughout Reggie’s position of power, I might have assumed Nintendo maybe was interested in the road less traveled, but it became clear by 2013 that Nintendo’s software lineup was nothing but a cost effective measure at success.

Nintendo USED to be about breaking critical ground at everything they did. Now they are just about making sure the consumer has the most amount of fun at the lowest cost, which as a huge fan, is a major letdown.

oontz

very well said… you should write for this site!

Reza Far

I was going to post something until i read yours…

Now i feel anything i say will just echo what you have just said.

Good job 🙂

ACE

so making happen I want my fifa, destiny, gta, the division, and them we can talk

oontz

“we know that current Wii U owners are very happy with their purchases.”

Not me… sorry… I am happy when I have great games to play. but too little too late. My ps3 has seen A LOT more use this year than my wiiu

joey t

Well I think Sony has taken a much better approach to this, by actually approaching developers and asking them what they want and need out of hardware to make the games they want to make with minimum restrictions. And with them releasing the ps4 at a very reasonable price as well. I don’t see how Nintendo is going to do this when they already have had some troubles porting current gen. Again my Wii U will just be mainly used as a 1st party machine. Which does look promising but a little late with a lot of titles.

Daniel Gonzalez

That’s the way it’s most likely going to be this gen too with Nintendo. Good 1st party, but smaller third party.

Rinslowe

I don’t think EA’s absence has affected Wii U as much as they may have wanted.
With first and second party titles on the way the true value of a Nintendo console becomes more obvious.
Third party support is great, but for Nintendo first party support is absolutely essential.
If Ubisoft, Warner Bros and Activision continues to support the U, then EA is not so essential.
They have some really nice IP’s under their belt, that Wii U only gamers may miss out on, but ultimately Nintendo’s IP’s are nicer, mitigating that fact.
If Wii U begins to sell well in coming months, I’m more concerned EA tries to release quick profit watered down ports, which would be even worse than not supporting Wii U at all.
I’d prefer they take the advice of one of their better studios and either “go all in or not at all”, lol

Reza Far

yeah no your right O.o

Rockstar no making any games for Nintendo is no skin of anyones nose right? and the fact that games that where meant to be Wii U exclusives are being made cross platform is all good?

Wake up dude, Nintendo has sold less consoles than the Wii… That is all down to lack of 3rd party support.

The Dreamcast had more life time sales by this point in its life than the Wii U does, no amount of Mario, Zelda or pokemon will save them from the flop that awaits them. Nintendo as a company will be fine (3DS is still great), Wii U will be gone by end of next year.

devmiles

it’s very simple..if the wii-u doesn’t generate more fanbase or sales, developers won’t be interested at all to launch or adapt their blockbuster titles to wii-u, why would they? if they sell their games on ps3, ps4, x360 or xbox one (which has and will have a very large fanbase) that’s where the money is at. i don’t believe in complete withdrawel but most of the devs concluded the wii-u is first of all quite behind in specs with the new generation so state of the art battlefield 4 or new types of engines won’t even work. the adaptation in the whole proces for devs is just nuts. nintendo did it to itself, they are a nichemarket on their own and to succeed they need to come off their asses and hurry up to bring their own IP’s to the wii-u to generate sales. Luckily titles as bayonetta 2 will bring some uniqueness but aside from that i think the wii-u will be very much bitchslapped by the coming ps4 while nintendo makes millions with kiddyshit like pokemon, the core gamer is completely out of sight it seems

Denvy

It’s sort of a vicious cycle though. Yes, if the WiiU doesn’t generate a bigger fanbase, developers won’t be interested. However, how should they generate a bigger fanbase without the blockbusters those developers create? Tough nut to crack.

devmiles

Agree, it’s a vicious cycle that nintendo has been in for quite some time now. You see they can exist on their own with millions of pokemon sales for instance or just mario. The aim to get the best developers towards their platforms is not so there i believe. Ofcourse there is some support but just not so much and what comes out often misses DLC’s that the other consoles do get.

The fact is there are so many PS3’s and 360’s already with millions of fans that will most likely seamlessly adapt their successors which assure sales for blockbusters. The fact that wii-u is behind in specs with the next gens will need the developers to adjust their games with the result in lower sales in the first place. It won’t make no sense businesswise.

The overlap period as i would call it (ps3 to ps4, x360 to xbox1) might give the wii-u some chance to have some updated polished ports meant for the older systems as ps3 and x360 will have long life support (fifa14 was also released for ps2, now that’s what i call support 🙂

blaster man

The other companies do something that people have coined “moneyhatting”. As I see it, Nintendo has done that with 1 or 2 games. They need to do that with 10 games a year for the first couple of years.

nexxus6

Actually, many of the engines do work on WiiU. The developers, such as EA, are notorious for making statements that bash the WiiU and then when pressed on their comments, they retract them. Read about the game ProjectCARS for the WiiU and look at what they say the WiiU can do. Don’t believe all the negative hype you read about Nintendo’s hardware, because a lot of it is over blown. Is it as powerful as PS4 or Xbone, no. However, it can hold its own if developers will invest the time and effort in utilizing it’s architecture.

I don’t disagree on the wii-u’s power and capabilities because it is capable on doing some very nice graphics however ps4 and xbox one are more powerful and more next gen advanced making nintendo last in line again. it has never been the fact that nintendo released a poor console but it is about the relationship with 3rd party devs. there is less interest in developing games for nintendo somehow than for the other consoles or PC..based on output and history that is just fact. along the way eversince the snes era nintendo lost big developers that went elsewhere making most of the output for nintendo just nintendo. nothing wrong with that since you buy a nintendo console just for the nintendo games already. but it is an interesting discussion.
back in the days we had nintendo and sega, now there are many more platforms and thus ways to make money for developers. it is about belief in a system or market that make developers develop games for systems…just like economics or stockmarkets.
ironically nintendo made sony develop the playstation and the market changed, also microsoft stepped in and the PC became mature (technologywise even leader) i think pokemon was nintendo’s savior and still is one huge money maker.
somehow i feel nintendo has narrowed and shifted very much e.g aim for younger audience and sometimes even less original (too much like 3ds games concept) i miss blockbusters like gta5, fallout, the last of us etc …real innovative stuff. instead we get (although nice) a polished version of zelda from 2002. i’m sceptical and curious where nintendo will go.

nexxus6

First, I do not believe Nintendo caters to younger audiences. They make products for all age groups, it is just that people fail to remember or do not want to admit that there are “M” rated games for Nintendo consoles. Also, Nintendo just released W101, which is new and innovative. I take nothing away from GTAV, but it is not really a risky move for Rockstar to make a fifth installment of a franchise. However, all companies stick to their bread and butter and I can’t blame them. Nintendo will be just fine, and they will continue to innovate and take more risks than either Sony or Microsoft.

The True Gamer

I personally think Microsoft took the most risks with Xbox one. People got scared it was so different, even though it could have actually benefitted many people

They have over a billion dollars in the bank they ought to be confident xD

Guest

I really believe that if Nintendo is going to continue with the “Blue Ocean Strategy” (go where your competitors aren’t), then they need to spend much more money on internal development. Regardless of what happens to Wii U, Nintendo will be just fine. They’ve got too much cash in their coffers to not be. But if they’re going to remain relevant in the console business, they can’t get around spending money PERIOD.

You’re either going to spend it on the platform and its tech (then leave it up to the developers to figure out how to bring their gaming ideas to life) or you go your own way (like Wii U), in which case you’ll need a MASSIVE in-house development division that can create several quality 1st party titles concurrently.

Stop being cheap and expand Nintendo EAD threefold. Create several new development teams and put them to work on new IPs. Leverage the goodwill of existing IPs judiciously and stop letting IPs due for resurrection lay dormant (Seriously, not even a peep about possible Wii U versions of StarFox, F-Zero, or Kid Icarus?).

Yes, it’s expensive, but if you’re purposefully not going to position yourself to be in at least the marginal good graces of the 3rd party development community, then stick to your bread and butter; making your own fantastic games. But without proper 3rd party support, you’re going to need to release a lot of your own content. And if Nintendo had the infrastructure in place to release a steady stream of their own (diverse) titles, nobody would give a wet squeaker about lack of 3rd party support.

The True Gamer

When I buy a Wii u ill buy it for only Nintendo games. I’ll get a Xbox one for third party games

WiiU4life

I just don’t get why people are perplexed with Nintendo’s business model involving 1st and 3rd party software. Simply put, it all comes down to this; if you develop for us we make money (more gamers will buy our hardware). If you choose not to develop for us we still make money (more gamers will buy our software). Nintendo wins on every front!