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TOPIC: New here; liking kratom for two months.

Hello, new to the forum.
Been liking kratom a couple months. My question is...If a person pays $150/kg then uses 5g 3x day (15g total/day) and another pays $75kg but uses 8g 3x day (24g total/day) it seems the $75/kg buyer is getting a better deal even though the quality is not as 'good'. So what if you have to take more. I personally mix 8g powder with 5-6 oz of warmish (108°F) water, drink it down. Then rinse mouth with a little more water. Please explain if my economic calculations are wrong. Thank you.
(Side note: it is amusing that "kratom" is spell checked in the ILK forum message input area)

bkhm, welcome to ILK. I have yet to ever buy a full kilogram of any one strain of Kratom. I personally place orders between a few different vendors trying several different strains from each.
I spend more by doing this but, when you add free samples given out by certain vendors or buying on a sale or promotion it starts to level the price out.
I rotate strains & vendors to keep my tolerance down and my quality of experience Up.
The longer you take kratom the more this makes sense. Especially when you find awesome kratom. Everyone reacts differently and that is a journey you will have to take for yourself.
Hope that helps Good Luck...

I'm not sure how to solicit free samples? Definitely want to try that. I've only stuck with what's been 'working' for me. Green Malay. I'm using kratom as motivation enhancement not so much for pain. I'd like to try different varieties & vendors. I've tried two online vendors and they were about the same and I was satisfied, not counting the 'smoke shop' where I got my first ounce, which was also good, or, the effects were of my liking, not so much the pricing ($10/ounce). Thank you for the response.

Many of us get tired of dipping into one bag only, day after day. And for SOME, a tolerance to that product goes up to where you need to take MORE and MORE.

But. I have a few friends who are not bored with the same bag at all. They use one bag until it’s gone, then another bag, having gotten 2 bags from one source. Only strain being different, if that. It’s definitely more economical.

Use coupon codes posted here (many ILK VENDORS have a standard “ilk” code you can use.

Typically, orders include a little sample of something else the vendor carries for you to sample. In tough times, fewer do this as coat keeps going UP UP UP due to shipping hiccups thanks to the misinformation provided to customs.
They very rarely must add that cost to our purchases, but ya gotta do whatcha gotta do.

If you are placing an order, use the comments section to choose a favorite you’d LIKE TO TRY if they can spare it. HINT: don’t spell out KRATOM at checkout or anywhere else during the transaction portion of your order. That word red flags that vendor and limits their payment options for all of us. Red or green Sumatra is fine, for example.

Very interesting Laurie!
Thank you. In ILK forum I have noticed some comments about tolerance. I don't know if that has affected me, yet I'd certainly like to try some other strains without having to buy. I very much 'get' your point. Really, the only reason I stayed with green Malay is that when I asked the original 'smoke shop' guy which kind I should get, told me he sells a lot of green Malay. (after ascertaining that I didn't have pain issues). Say what you will about local shops...besides their expense, I thought this one's quality was very good. However, I can get about 4x as much per dollar on-line. I'm looking mainly for motivation enhancement. Green Malay has got me going fine. But some say the white is good. Very much enjoying the collection of comments and information at this site!

Also, I didn't know the bad effects of possible comments when placing order with vendor. I don't think I've mentioned 'kratom' per se in the comments. But I have noticed many vendors don't allow, or at least, discourage credit card use because they say they have problems with the credit/debit card processors understanding the nature of this product. There are a bunch of vendors out there. "Caveat emptor"

Whie it is always good to try to ask for a sample, vendors are not required to give you one.

I almost always get a free sample from a new vendor on a first order. BUT I never ask for one. IF I want to try something new I order the smaller size (usually 25 gms) and try it out. This willl give me at leat four servings so I should get a good idea if I like it or not.

I am in Canada so payment systems are different and no problem at all. ALL vendors use the e-transfer system. I am finding that this is becoming more and more popular with service people too. We recently had some home renovations done, our piano tuned and our hot water heat system serviced. ALL payments to the service people were done using e-transfer. (Most banks now charge for cheques but e-transfer is free.)

If you take Kratom everyday for months you will develop a tolerance, no doubt about that. BUT that does not mean that the same dose will not have ANY effect, just that you will not notice it as much.

The same is true for coffee, even alcohol, AND of course opiates.

Because kratom is a whole plant, the amount of the alkaloids in each serving is sighty different. This is not a medication that is precisely measured so you get a specific amount, of a specific chemical every time you take it. Let face it, when you eat a carrot it does not contain a specified amount of vitamin A. How much you get depends on the size of the carrot, the variety of the carrot, where it is grown and under what conditions it is grown etc.
When using Kratom this variety helps a bit in keeping things fresh, but does not completely control for developing tolerance.

If your use of Kratom is destined to be long term, then you have to learn how to work with it and use it responsibly. Use only as much as you need, as often as you need, to get the effects you need to control symptoms.

Any Kratom user should also be seeking other therapies to manage/cure the condition that is causing the symptoms too. BUT as we all know this can be a long, long journey.

bomalley, Sorry for the late reply.
Your answer was well thought out and made sense to me.
I recently ordered from a vendor that I ordered from in the past, so I'm waiting for a shipment.
I failed to ask about any samples.

I ask you or anyone to respond to this question:

Please tell me if this is true or not. I've been using green Malay for pretty much since November; everyday. My main object for using kratom is Motivation Enhancement. Would there REALLY be anything noticeable about a different variety? I am satisfied with what I get. I use about 8g at a time. Seems to last quite a while, 6 or more hours. My perception, an hour after using Green Malay, is that my subjective experience is 'more interesting'. Whether chores or learning something new, exercising, pretty much anything. It just seems to make me feel more motivated. This is the greatest thing I like about kratom.

I definitely do not want to be sedated in any way. I also take caffeine, L-Theanine & 5-HTP (supplements).

As a side note about 'storage method'
I did see (on another forum?) where someone had samples which they ran through a mass spectrometer / gas chromatography machine... three 6 month old samples. One in the freezer for 6 months, one on or near a radiator, and one in a drawer and they had no significant difference in their Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine levels. So I quit putting mine in the freezer even though I buy KG amount.
I do make sure the air is out and put about a weeks worth in a ziplock type sandwich bag and dose it out from that. Any thoughts? other evidence? I'm open. You folks are so awesome!

Reddit? The Kratom shelf life- I just posted about how I had Kratom stored on my desk which is exposed to seasonal northeast temperatures-radiator heat, ductless air conditioning, open windows- Hot, warm, humid, cold dry, cold damp- original Ziplocs that have been opened and closed at least once a week for over a year and I noticed no drop in potency. It wasn't kept away from light either.
You do not need to freeze kratom. My Zombie Apocalypse/Preppers stash is stored in air tight/ cool dry/ dark area. Actually if you freeze kratom you risk moisture getting in the bags if the temperature changes(defrosting)
My daily rotational kratom is out on my desk with kratom that is anywhere from 5 weeks to over a year old.
I opened it to scoop and press all the air out and reseal. I make sure I do not get any moisture in the bags with damp spoons.
That's my take.

Bo - for sure feels that rotation has little evidence, she posted about this somewhere I'll try to find it. she is on Canadian time

The only thing I have to say is that your Green Malay that is working very well might not be the same when you go to rebuy. If this happens you will want a few other selections/samples so you can find your new favorite.

I rotate based on what I know my collection is good for and what I need/or the activity for the day.

I pain manage. But I do like and need the added anxiety and stress relief.

Nan70, thanks for responding. I especially thought your point about condensation when opening a bag right outta the freezer. That makes sense! Of course it water vapor would condense on the cold substance! GOOD POINT.
So you're in agreement with the MS/GC machine 6 month sample analysis.

I have ordered from a different vendor, the effect was about the same but the taste was different. Not better or worse...just different. I don't like the taste of kratom powder leaf, but I'm a big boy and get over it. I usually mix mine with about 6-8oz water at about 108°F. (I have an IR thermometer for other purposes. But I like to use it on anything, to get my money's worth). I drink it down without breathing in my nose if I can help it. (the sense of smell is a big part of the sense of taste, somehow-or-another) then after I empty that I put a little more water in the glass and drink that swishing the very dilute solution around (to get that powder/grit out), then I chase with my favorite soda I have sitting ready.

I looked at those 000 capsules and the time/effort/cost of filling them, it's not for me. I just get it over with, enjoy my soda and start doing what I was going to do anyway; go to work, go on a walk, exercise, chores, etc.

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