In the books, "bacterial overgrowth" is mentioned as a problem for some people. It's also a SWAMI objective to control "bacterial overgrowth" if the "digestion" health history box is checked.

I've been under the impression that the phrase "bacterial overgrowth" referred strictly to bacteria in the gut, but it was pointed out to me (by ABNoWay) that this may also include yeast overgrowth. Which is true?

yes in the end we look to balance the healthy critters witht he ones that aggrevate us.. that way no one becomes to bothersome no matter where they show their strength.

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Bacterial overgrowth means that there are too many bacteria, or too many of the bad bacteria, in the gut. This might mean too many bacteria overall, or it might mean the right "total number" of germs, but too few yeasts and/or beneficial bacteria, with the "bad germs" being overgrown. (Or maybe these germs are only "bad" because they've overgrown; in the right proportions, these very same bacteria might be part of healthy flora.)

Somebody with yeast overgrowth generally has too few bacteria in his or her gut- the right amount of "good bacteria" would crowd out the yeast, preventing overgrowth.

So, does "bacterial overgrowth" specifically mean overgrowth of bacteria in the gut, or does it mean "unbalanced gut flora"? I think TJ is asking whether or not to tick the "bacterial overgrowth" box for a person with yeast overgrowth.

Yeast is related to secretor status, Dr. D has this all programed into SWAMI. It can be assumed that O non secretors have yeast if they have not been following the Genotype/SWAMI, and even if they have the diet will keep it from resurfacing. Yeast is in all of us, getting rid of it completely does not work, keeping the right balance is a way better approach.

Non secretors Os and yeast

Each blood type/genotype has its issues.

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So if you have dysbiosis, leaky gut, yeast overgrowth, unbalanced flora etc, does that mean it's the opposite of "bacterial overgrowth"? I thought "bacterial overgrowth, was a general term for all of these situations, that usually seem to go hand in hand. At least, I thought they did.

On top of that my swami doesn't say anything about "bacterial overgrowth". It just asks if you have had digestive problems. Which I would assume is a yes for you TJ.

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I have over half of the items checked. All the ones I know I have a problem with. I still have lots of food choices. TJ seemed to think he should keep it to a max of 2 issues. I was scratching my head about that. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and how they do things, but it seemed odd to me. Either way TJ, the swami doesn't distinguish between yeast or bad bacteria, it just asks if you have digestive or bowel issues. I would think you'd want that one checked, knowing your history. But that's just my thought.

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Yeast is related to secretor status, Dr. D has this all programed into SWAMI. ...Yeast is in all of us, getting rid of it completely does not work, keeping the right balance is a way better approach.

Non secretors Os and yeast

I understand that all nonnies are prone. Os suffer from it more because they tend to be reactive, but this B Explorer is quite reactive, too.

There had been some talk on another thread that the "low grade infections" box covered yeast. Are you saying that an anti-yeast protocol is put into effect in SWAMI automatically if you enter non-secretor as your secretor status? No health history box to check for this problem, then?

...my swami doesn't say anything about "bacterial overgrowth". It just asks if you have had digestive problems. Which I would assume is a yes for you TJ.

Yep, digestion problems here.

The intake form doesn't say anything about it, but if you check the "digestion" box, you'll see in the Further Customization section of the SWAMI printout, under the Emphasized and Deemphasized Nutrients heading, it should say that foods which "inhibit bacterial overgrowth" are emphasized, and/or that it deemphasizes food that "encourages bacterial overgrowth".

At least, that's what mine says if I only check the "digestion" box (I don't recall what it says there when "digestion" is combined with other issues). Perhaps digestion problems are handled differently from one GT to another, but I doubt it. It's possible that if you have several other boxes checked, their effects could cancel out the "bacterial overgrowth" effects.

My take is yeast or no yeast, you would want yours to say that. Especially if you had antibiotics. But I still don't understand the separation of the the two. Isn't yeast a bacteria? And you don't want too much of it. You want some, but not an overgrowth. Same goes for any of the "bad" bacteria. There needs to be a proper balance. I'm not sure what the percentages are, but the good should have more population than the bad. Then, your system overall is likely to work better. Immunity, detox, etc etc. Life and death start in the Gut. hehehhe I've heard that said before.

So, am I wrong about this?

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I understand that all nonnies are prone. Os suffer from it more because they tend to be reactive, but this B Explorer is quite reactive, too.

Not about being over reactive, more about not having your blood type in your secretions.

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Candida sp.

ABH non-secretors are much more likely to be carriers of Candida sp. and to have problems with persistent Candida infections. Blood group O non-secretors are the most affected of the non-secretor blood types. One of the innate defenses against superficial infections by Candida species appears to be the ability of an individual to secrete the water-soluble form of his ABO blood group antigens into body fluids. The protective effect afforded by the secretor gene might be due to the ability of glycocompounds in the body fluids of secretors to inhibit adhesins (attachment lectins) on the surface of the yeast. In attachment studies, preincubation of blastospores with boiled secretor saliva significantly reduced their ability to bind to epithelial cells. ABH non secretor saliva did not reduce the binding and often enhanced the numbers of attached yeasts. (66,67) In one study, among individuals with Type II diabetes, 44% of ABH non-secretors were oral carriers of this yeast. (6

Although non-secretors make up only about 26% of the population, they are significantly over represented among individuals with either oral or vaginal Candida infections, making up almost 50% of affected individuals. (69) The inability to secrete blood group antigens in saliva also appears to be a risk factor in the development of, or persistence of chronic hyperplastic Candidosis. In one study, the proportion of non-secretors of blood group antigens among patients with chronic hyperplastic Candidosis was 68%. (70)

Women with recurrent idiopathic vulvovaginal Candidiasis are much more likely to be ABH non-secretors. Combining both ABH non-secretor phenotype and absence of the Lewis gene Lewis (a- b-), the relative risk of chronic recurring vulvovaginal Candidiasis is between 2.41-4.39, depending on the analysis technique and control group. (71)

Oral carriage of Candida is also significantly associated with blood group O (p less than 0.001) and independently, with non-secretion of blood group antigens (p less than 0.001), with the trend towards carriage being greatest in group O non-secretors. (72)

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