Revolution in the middle east
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No I really do, I'm surprised people would call it an accident at all.

And clearly you're content with constantly misrepresenting what I said to undermine my opinion. I never said that they brought bulldozers to deliberately kill a person, I never said murder was in their minds at the outset, in fact I didn't say it was murder. What I said was, in that situation I don't think it can be called an accident. When they were in that situation I have doubts in my mind about how much they care for another person's life if they're busy flattening their home and stealing their land.

Wasn't so long ago that there were plans to trade oil in the Euro, which was also vaguely heralded as the end of the world. I don't think it'll be a great shift of power; there's oil coming out of Africa too and if the big nations put pressure on the oil companies to sort their shit out down there they could have removed themselves from the middle east a long time ago.

The old oil/middle east thing is very 90s. I don't think it's as critical for policy as it once was. Natural gas is probably a bigger headache for Amercica than oil these days.

Wasn't so long ago that there were plans to trade oil in the Euro, which was also vaguely heralded as the end of the world. I don't think it'll be a great shift of power; there's oil coming out of Africa too and if the big nations put pressure on the oil companies to sort their shit out down there they could have removed themselves from the middle east a long time ago.

The old oil/middle east thing is very 90s. I don't think it's as critical for policy as it once was. Natural gas is probably a bigger headache for Amercica than oil these days.

Didn't know that. It makes me think of Sarah Palin, when she was speaking publicly at a Tea Party gathering and said something along the lines of "I raised a combat veteran, so I must be doing something right"

Now, don't get me wrong, the sacrifice conscripted soldiers have made in the name of freedom is amazing, but I'm not sure I agree that the modern professional soldier is the best society has to offer.

This idea that the areas are cleared and made safe before the bulldozing work begins is pure bullshit. The IDF treat everyone in Gaza as a terrorist so in effect in their eyes civilian casualties are impossible.

This idea that the areas are cleared and made safe before the bulldozing work begins is pure bullshit. The IDF treat everyone in Gaza as a terrorist so in effect in their eyes civilian casualties are impossible.

If one of the CHILDREN in that video got killed would it be an accident with neither the driver or the IDF having any liability?

There's dozens of videos like that around. Does it look like carefully managed area clearing or is it "fuck you and fuck your homes"

It's actually pretty bad taste using this thread to wind of the "lefties" and essentially removing blame from the guilty parties.

As I said earlier the entire issue is too complex to wade in without being very careful about the language and facts used.

Rather than posting youtube videos that barely touch the surface of the issue and spouting off about 'using this thread to wind of the "lefties"' (whatever that means), you could add something of worth to the issue?

We don't know the facts of many of the things that happen, at least don't dive in head first trying to sound like you were there.