Hello, and welcome to episode 154 of The Fantasticast. Each week, Steve Lacey and Andy Leyland guide you through every issue, guest-appearance and cameo of The Fantastic Four.

This week, we’re covering the first part of Roy Thomas’s final Fantastic Four story for a few years. John Buscema’s taking a holiday, so Ross Andru swings by to provide fill-in art for this story featuring Johnny Storm, Crystal and Quicksilver in the Great Refuge. The Alpha Primitives are revolting… and they’re not too happy about their status as slaves either!

It’s an episode packed full of romance, fill-in art, the intentional immorality of Benjamin J. Grimm, existential links, discovering that Crystal doesn’t know how to kiss, and the revelation that Black Bolt is The Karate Kid.