NFL re-issues bounty discipline**UPDATED**

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Radical
Twist myself into a knot?
3. Against Maclin, initial contact was made by Dunta with his helmet when Maclin turned and was clipped on the chin, otherwise it would have been initial contact with his shoulder. ...

3. Against Maclin, initial contact was made by Dunta with his helmet when Maclin turned and was clipped on the chin, otherwise it would have been initial contact with his shoulder. Is it dumb for Robinson to put his head down when he does this? Yes. However, he's done this numerous times against other ball carriers and it's always a shoulder tackle.

I agree on 1. Indifferent on 2.

#3 however.... "otherwise" has no place in this... My aunt didn't have balls, otherwise she would have been my uncle.

Have you played much of the game? At no level is dropping your head before a tackle coached, condoned, or legal. When you say he has done it numerous times, your are basically saying he has attempted to spear numerous times.

Dropping your head before contact is a recipe for spinal injury, broken neck, missing a tackle because you took your eyes off the ball carrier. Dropping the head is using the helmet as a weapon, regardless of where it strikes or if the pads hit first. Its spearing and there is no way around that.

Argue this point: I will bet you he doesn't drop his head in practice when he tackles.... Because he has a different intent in practice than he does in a game. If he dropped his head in practice for a tackle someone would whip his ass.

Again, the defenseless receiver rule is impossible to coach for. What was Robinson supposed to do? I guess he could have let him take a few steps up field before making contact... but I don't think that would fly with anyone.

Yes, because offering payment for injuring other players is illegal? It's funny though your last paragraph. You're practically twisting yourself into a pretzel in an attempt to deflect here.

Here is where you are wrong. The Saints players were not offering money for injuring other players. They were offering money for big plays. If a player got hurt in the process it was not the intent, but simply part of the game. Players get hurt every game on exactly the same type of plays.

The Saints were initially accused of intentionally targeting specific players for injury. They have all denied that and no proof has ever been presented that this ever occurred.

The "token reward," or whatever you want to call it, IS ILLEGAL. If you are paying for people to cause injuries, then that establishes intent. If I put money up for someone to kill someone, and that person ends up dead, guess what? Now I know you're not going to tell me that between late 09 and when this broke that no one was ever injured during a Saints game huh? Sitting around and going, "well everyone else does it" doesn't change that it's illegal. If other teams get caught, then they'll be punished too.

Yes, the token rewards are against the rules and should have been punished as salary cap violations which can only be administered through fines, not suspensions. And you keep stating they were paying the players to cause injury. If that was true then there would be intent. That wasn't what was going on according to all involved. They were getting rewarded for clean legal hits that caused big plays.

By the way, were you aware that a crucial part of the program involved players ONLY be eligible for the reward if the play was legal, did not result in a penalty AND the Saints won the game? If the play was illegal or resulted in a penalty they would receive a fine instead.

A pleasure. You should drop by sometime, preferably after the Falcons beat the Saints in a few weeks. Most of us are nice... until you bring up that bounty thing. Guido got a few peeps all riled up over that mess.

No. A few of them riled themselves up over this. I just agreed to give them a little hand.

And attempted murder isn't murder, but it's still illegal. We know the organization and players wanted to injure players, otherwise people wouldn't be offering money to do it. Lack of injuries doesn't disprove anything.

Jesus.. you kidding right?
Attempted murder is illegal.
Murder is illegal.
Hitting someone as hard as you can in a football game within the established rules and probably causing an injury is NOT ILLEGAL. That's the freaking game of football.

As for lack of injuries not disproving anything, how can you pay money for injuring someone, if no one gets injured?

But, it is my fault. I keep on typing and typing, and all I get back is "We know the organization and players wanted to injure players, otherwise people wouldn't be offering money to do it". I should have known better.

You just keep on posting pictures of Dunta Robinson's illegal hits and keep telling us how they aren't illegal.