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Monday, May 23, 2011

Nonie Darwish Article in Frontpage Magazine

Nonie Darwish

Nonie Darwish, an Egyptian apostate from Islam, has published an English translation of a statement by a well-known Egyptian cleric, Abu Ishak al Huweini, speaking on the topic of poverty in the Muslim world.

“We are at a time of Jihad; Jihad for the sake of Allah is a pleasure, a true pleasure. Mohammed’s followers used to compete to do it. The reason we are poor now is because we have abandoned jihad. If only we can conduct a jihadist invasion at least once a year or if possible twice or three times, then many people on Earth would become Muslims. And if anyone prevents our dawa or stands in our way, then we must kill them or take as hostage and confiscate their wealth, women and children. Such battles will fill the pockets of the Mujahid who can return home with 3 or 4 slaves, 3 or 4 women and 3 or 4 children. This can be a profitable business if you multiply each head by 300 or 400 dirham,. This can be like financial shelter whereby a jihadist, in time of financial need, can always sell one of these heads (meaning slavery). No one can make that much money in one deal (from hard work) even if a Muslim goes to the West to work or do trade. In time of need, that is a good resource for profit.”

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Of course we'll all be hearing the usual lies, he's an extremist, most Muslims are good people etc. It'sfunny how Muslims have no problems organizing thousands of Muslims in support of Islamofascism, but none opposing it. Kinda makes me wonder where the "moderates" really are.

Thanks for reporting this Gary, I know the MSM will be busily ignoring stories like these.

It was a rhetorical statement. It concerns one issue-death for apostates. These Muslim leaders were asked to endorse a letter that would provide at least moral support for apostates in America. They refused to sign-except for two. They refused to endorse a concept-a principle that is basic to our freedoms in the US. To me, this is a story in itself.

Maybe Nonie scoured the alleyways of Cairo, or of some more remote town, until she found someone preaching in this style.

Maybe this is what 15% of the Muslims in Egypt really believe.

Maybe this is what 67% of the Muslims in Egypt really believe.

We can all agree that the words, concepts, and attitude are despicable. What is not evident is what significance they have.

There are, after all, Christian sects which teach that everyone's wife belongs to the pastor whenever he wants her, and there is "Dominion theology" which is damn near what this character is teaching. There are many ways to interpret "I will make your enemies your footstool."

This has the same allure to unemployed young men with no visible prospects as international drug smuggling does. I bet it tickles the same parts of the brain with the same hormones.

Given your general tone and choices of emphasis, I expect you are trying to imply that this is what Islam is all about, all one billion plus Muslims in the world are just waiting to pull this one on the rest of us, and as soon as Egypt gets its new government settled, they will begin to put this plan into action.

I doubt it.

I thought maybe you would offer some explanation of what the significance of this obscure rant might be, but you haven't, so I've offered my best guesses and conclusion. Your move.

This guy is not an obscure cleric. If he is too obscure for you, check out the rants of Yusuf al Qaradawi. He is the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.

You see, to be fair, these statements are coming out of far too many mosques and madrasses world-wide. All of them? I would say no-at least I hope not. Problem is that it is out there both in thought and in deed. Do you want to ignore it?

No, I don't want to ignore it. But, I don't want to wave it around and say "This is Islam." In America, this speech could legally be delivered any day. Worse speeches HAVE been delivered under the umbrella of the First Amendment.

Also, I have noticed that educated women who have left Islam and made a career of speaking about it tend to find the worst little corners and play them up as typical, or to generalize from their personal experience in a rather misleading way.

I doubt she made it up. But I wouldn't take her word for much. And I don't know of any force, even al Qaeda, that shows much potential to implement this little man's dream.

"No, I don't want to ignore it. But, I don't want to wave it around and say "This is Islam." In America, this speech could legally be delivered any day. Worse speeches HAVE been delivered under the umbrella of the First Amendment."

Of course you don't want the deliberate slaughter, persecution and ethnic cleansing of non-Muslim religions from Islamic states to be called Islamic either and I don't have to wonder why.

Maybe you can try blaming the kuffar victims of Islamofascism -- kinda like the Nazis used to do.

Anonymous, you not only are ignorant of history, but you don't even know how to spell kaffir. Go to school for five or ten years, and if you get good grades, maybe you can be taken seriously among adult citizens.

Which religious group is responsible for the genocides committed in:a. E. Timor (1970's)b. Bangladesh, in the 1970'sc. the Sudan/Darfur (in the late 20th early 21st centuries)d. Armenia (in the early 20th century)

Which religious group is responsible for the pogroms committed:

a. in Turkey in the 1950's,b. Jerusalem in the late 20's

Which religious group is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of:

a. 300,000 Iraqi Christians from Iraqb. upwards of a million Jews fromYemen, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Egyptc. Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan and Bangladesh

Anonymous, you dig yourself in deeper every time you try to sound like you know something.

a. E. Timor (1970's)That wasn't a religion - it was a nationa called Indonesia. The conflict was similar to China's insistence that Taiwan is a breakaway province, except when the big bad imperialist Dutch tried to let the colony go independent, which the people wanted, Indonesia's U.S. installed and backed military regime saw an affront to its national integrity. Massacre, yet, done in the name of Islam, no.b. Bangladesh, in the 1970'sWell, the slaughtered were ALSO Muslim in that one. Why did Muslims murder other Muslims? Was it about religious differences? No, just a classic war over the right to secession -- in this case, secession by a province over a thousand miles away from the nearest square inch of the territory from which the army was recruited.c. the Sudan/Darfur (in the late 20th early 21st centuries)Again, the slaughtered were ALSO Muslims. It was a geopolitical power play, not a religious repression. Now if you brought up South Sudan, at least the antagonists are of different religions.d. Armenia (in the early 20th century)Again, not a religious war. Russia and Turkey were at war, Turkey was allied with those well known Muslim nations, Germany and Austria, whereas fifty years earlier, Those other well known Muslim nations, France and Britain, had been the Ottomans' allies against Russia. Some Armenians were being used by Russia, and the Turkish army moved them away, kind of like the American army moving Vietnamese into fortified hamlets in the 1960s. Americans are better at this sort of thing -- at least better than when we removed the Cherokee from Georgia. Turkey made a bloody mess of it.

2.b. is the only "example" that comes close to what you claim. But the Grand Mufti was, first and foremost, a feudal landlord, making a power play, as distinct from the 21st century jihadists, for whom religion IS their motive.

Moving on:

a. 300,000 Iraqi Christians from IraqSaddam Hussein? The apostate atheist national socialist? Most of the Chaldeans in America came here BEFORE he was dumped.b. upwards of a million Jews fromYemen, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, EgyptThey were neither warmly welcomed nor particularly molested in those nations UNTIL Israel came into existence. As a "Jewish state" it automatically made Jews suspect in any nation that opposed Israel. Naturally, the Jews left, en masse. Last I heard, most of them are glad they did.c. Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan and BangladeshYou blew it there, big time. Hindus and Sikhs did not live in Bangla Desh. Those slaughtered in Bangla Desh were Muslim, and the surviving victims are likewise Muslim.The exchange of Hindus from West Pakistan and Muslims from India was a mutual fratricide, promoted by British cupidity and the delusions of Muhammed Ali Jinnah, who was himself the most secular, aristocratic, intellectual, Muslim you could hope to find. But he died before he could shape Pakistan.

Now, go study some history, and when the images in your fertile mind match up with the real world, perhaps you will be worth listening to.

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The Story of Papiamentu- A Study in Slavery and Language, University Press of America, 2002, and
The Languages of the Former Soviet Republics-Their History and Development, University Press of America, 2000.