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This score is awesome!! Powell did a great job at making a score that's differet than all the other SW scores, but still you know it's a SW score. He reprised Williams' theme brilliantly and I can't stop to listen to it!!!

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Bookman

2018-09-16 06:01:45

At 3 minutes into the film there is a great little cue for Qira and Han (when we first meet her). Is that anywhere on the soundtrack?

So I finally caved in to watching this last night; honestly I was pleasantly surprised. Sure it’s not the greatest film ever (more like “just good”) but I had far more fun with the world building and performances than I had anticipated. Even the fan-service didn’t seem as blatant to me (for the most part).

And yes, John Powell’s score is easily one of the best this year. Each of the themes get amazing development throughout, although I feel like Chewbacca’s motif was slightly underused. And that love theme, wow!In terms of unreleased material, almost everything is variations of what you hear on album. The only “substantial” missing bits are two variations on the Imperial March and the Duel of the Fates reprise. Hopefully we get a good FYC this year.

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mpolonest123

2018-09-15 02:35:48

And little side note: “The Good Guy” is made up of three different cues in the film. Not sure if any others are like that.

I didn't credit here JW for every arrangements of his theme & old SW themes that can be heard throughout the score.

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superultramegaa

2018-07-21 18:20:07

No Paul Mounsey credits?

Hybrid Soldier

2018-07-21 18:21:04

His part is not in the OST release...

Mike (OTM)

2018-07-21 18:33:40

Sweet. I've gotta say, this score surprised me in a good way. I've always loved Powell, but if you told me two years ago he'd write a Star Wars score, I'd have been hesitant about it. But Solo is really, really solid, even without the John Williams main theme. In fact, I like what Powell does with the JW theme better than the theme as JW wrote it.

mpolonest123

2018-07-21 19:25:24

@MikeOTMYou’re absolutely right. Powell did an awesome job of staying within the musical sandbox of the SW musical universe but also was able to bring something fresh and original to the overall sound, something Star Wars really needs right now.

Mike (OTM)

2018-07-21 23:37:16

I'm guessing, based on the credits, that Williams worked on "Dice and Roll" directly?

People are on here shitting on Giacchino and Powell saying Rouge One has a better score or people saying Solo has a better score and I’m over here like yep still listening to the Star Wars Original Trilogy And Prequel Trilogy scores over here. But I think they both gave Williams Justice and did good.

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Iamtommie

2018-07-16 19:58:41

Agree with this 100%

Anonymous

2018-07-17 23:50:05

I just wish they had included the finale in both the SW story scores all the music complied together would have been great

There wasn't really any hype for the movie, it didn't seem like people were all that interested in a Han Solo origin story. Plus it's only been half a year since Last Jedi came out and broke the internet. Unlike Marvel, Star Wars doesn't seem immune to franchise fatigue.

A shame. Hope nobody is stupid enough to think Powell was to blame.

jjstarA113

2018-06-21 07:13:47

@Edmund Meinerts:

"Hope nobody is stupid enough to think Powell was to blame." This. Following that same logic, Disney should never have let Williams back after the prequel trilogy.

I know Clemmensen is kind of persona non grata around here (not without good reason), but he put up his review of Solo a few days ago and it's one of the best he's ever written, a fantastic in-depth analysis (and appropriately positive). Worth spending an hour or two reading and listening to help unpack this score's many complexities.

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superultramegaa

2018-06-18 18:57:48

What site are his reviews on again? Not really sure where to look.

Hybrid Soldier

2018-06-18 19:31:41

How dare you mention his name ??

I should erase that post... :P

Anonymous

2018-06-18 20:05:14

Who is he and why is he a persona non grata? ô_O

Ds

2018-06-18 20:14:14

If you want to understand why he's persona non grata, just go and check out his review of Hans Zimmer's masterpiece At World's End, it sums up pretty nicely the guy's mental issues :p

But his other reviews are mostly OK and that Solo one is indeed very good, worth a read.

NB

2018-06-18 20:22:18

'At World's End' is possibly one of his greatest 'missteps' for sure, but he is a mostly reasonable guy when reviewing, and simply has a taste that doesn't accomodate a lot of the more modern sounding scores, which I think is ok, since we all have our preferences. His 'Solo' review is a must read for any fan of the score though. :D

Mpolonest123

2018-06-18 20:32:19

He’s definitely not a bad reviewer, and his writing style is pretty sharp. The obvious problem is that he has a strong bias against Zimmer. Most of his recent Zimmer reviews are less spent talking about themes and more so the “issues” with his current style.

Powellfan

2018-06-19 06:38:52

The Solo review does look quite good.

Clemmensen comes across pretty badly in many of his reviews. Even some of the positive ones. He has some very strong preconceptions about certain things that sometimes lead him to say some reasonably aggravating stuff.

Interestingly, he stays almost reasonable in his A World's End review. I wouldn't point to that one as his most typical negative review.

superultramegaa

2018-06-19 19:17:24

Seriously guys, what site is he on? I want to see this review, but I don't know where it is.

Powellfan

2018-06-20 00:12:37

Should be easy to find with google...

superultramegaa

2018-06-20 00:41:04

Tried that, couldn't find an author named Clemmensen who reviewed it. (I don't know where to look I haven't seen this guy's reviews before).

Oh my God John you did amazing with this score. I loved the Rouge One score but you did amazing with this score. Loved the Enfys Nest theme and how you arranged the Williams score in perfect places is incredible. I want that Imperial March and Dudl if Fates part though.

"Into the Maw" has to be the most uncompromisingly brutal, intense, violent action cue Powell has written yet, even more than X3. That snarling brass! There are parts of that cue where I swear I'm listening to The Matrix. What an insane piece of music. :O

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MrZimmerFan

2018-05-31 18:56:30

I don't think could top Phoenix Rises... sorry

Altough, great track ;D

mpolonest123

2018-05-31 19:43:42

Very Elliot Goldenthal styled in the brass section....

ThePhantasm

2018-06-01 04:50:21

I think the only that might come close to Phoenix Rises is Marauders Arrive. It's pure Powell

MrZimmerFan

2018-06-01 20:48:26

Well, Phoenix Rises mixes the most epic/emotional theme from X-Men series with the X-Men's theme from Powell.

And Marauders Arrive is more like mix Avatar (the choral aspect) with the heroic Han Theme (and i think the gang's theme).

And i still prefer Phoenix Rises

ThePhantasm

2018-06-02 00:37:39

I prefer Phoenix too, specially how it gets bigger and bigger and even more intense as it builds, and if I'm honest i think Dark Phoenix Tragedy is better than Rises.. but you can't deny there's something special about Marauders Arrive. I think this score could of been even better if john williams didn't compose a theme.... if Powell would of been allowed to do his thing it would of been something even more special.

As with every John Powell score there's always music missing... why weren't the Imperial march and darth mauls duel of fates theme in the soundtrack. I love the score way better than Rogue one but that really pissed me off. At least with Giacchino we get everything we hear in the movie. Same thing with Hans there's always music missing or it sounds different from what we heard in the film.

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Anonymous

2018-05-29 01:22:21

another asshole with spoilers

geez not everyone has seen the movie so be considerate please

META

2018-05-29 01:58:48

giacchino is a lazy composer of Williams work compared to the hard work Powell did on this one...

and to think, Giacchino's love for Williams is what got him started!

lol...

I remember when he started out with that Playstation Jurassic Park 2 video game....

superultramegaa

2018-05-29 03:33:51

Yeah, remember when Giacchino had scores like Up and The Incredibles that had a distinct jazz style with some classical sprinkled through?

I remember watching Rogue One and hearing the end credits music and distinctly thinking to myself... "Were these themes in the movie?" Plus the music for the Darth Vader Rebel massacre scene... ugh. One of the most laughable uses of music I have ever heard in a major film in a long time! So cheesy and over-dramatic. What, is Darth Vader a Nazghul now too? Along with that pale orc over there in the corner?

Just remember this, because this is a problem I see with modern film music reviewers. Just because the underscore and overall composition is technically complex does not mean it's a good score. Look at the eras where melodic music was dominant. Are we really going to act like every 1960s/70s/80s orchestral score (I know there were electronic non-melodic ones) was high art? No, there were generic, boring, and forgettable composers with no style before the Hans Zimmer era. IMO, Giacchino's Williams imitation scores would have easily fallen into that category, but people treat his music better than it actually is today, simply because it's more melodic.

I would rather Jeremy Soule or Mark Griskey, composers who have never touched a Hollywood movie, score a Star Wars film than ever let Giacchino near the franchise again. Just keep him away from Williams properties. He's much better when he doesn't have to imitate other composers.

ThePhantasm

2018-05-29 04:10:17

Damn I'm so sorry for spoiling that for you, i really am. Completely went over my head bro :(

ThePhantasm

2018-05-29 04:13:46

Wow so i'm not the only one that thinks Giachinno is super over rated? i thought i was gonna get chewed out lol i like him he has so many movies coming out a year it's ridiculous. Doctor strange was garbage, so was his spider man homecoming music, while i like war for the planet of the apes he basically ripped off John williams Kylo ren theme.

Medigo

2018-05-29 10:52:05

Giacchino is fine. He just spreads himself too thin (or gets brought in too late, like with Rogue One)

Also ripping off Kylo Ren's theme? What?

Macejko

2018-05-29 15:14:25

The reason I don't like Giacchino is his pissing on Doyle's brilliant score for Rise of the Planet of the Apes. His music for the second and the third movie were at times utterly abysmal. Plus his constant childish use of puns in his tracklists makes me wanna punch him in the face every time a new score of his is announced.

ThePhantasm

2018-05-29 17:09:54

@Medigo yeah he ripped off the kylo ren theme. go on youtube and look up exodus wounds from War for the planet of the apes, then listen to kylo ren theme. Literally note for note

Iamtommie

2018-05-29 19:16:14

If we're talking about ripping music. Listen to Light The Hoop On Fire from Madagascar 3. Than to the main title of Night At The Museum. The opening is exactly the same. And Silvestri was first

AM I WRONG IN SAYING LANDO'S CLOSET HAS THE BEST LOVE THEME FROM POWELL YET! Lol Romantic Flight from httyd was good too but this is even more dramatic and I love it. I love Williams theme like crazy but I feel John would have been better off doing it by himself.

Unfortunately the two scores run away from the typical sound of the franchise and at various times seem just a pastiche copy.

It's a good score, but it does not feel so natural. Even Han's theme is almost unrecognizable, forgettable and incoherent with the character. It does not have the same identity as the themes of Luke, Leia, Rey, Anakin, Jyn, Yoda or Dameron.

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superultramegaa

2018-05-26 15:22:25

I only watched the movie once, but the fact that I didn't take away any memorable music from Rogue One is a huge problem for a Star Wars film. I haven't listened to this score yet, but I have more hopes for this than Rogue One.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-26 15:58:35

Do you remember any music outside the space chase?

Because i don't.

superultramegaa

2018-05-26 16:20:05

I just said I haven't watched the movie or listened to the full score yet.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-26 16:34:30

But Rogue One or Solo?

Because i remember more the music in RO after watching the movie than in Solo (well, maybe is because that theme for the character is so unispired and only i remember certain moments of the music)

Berkian Warrior

2018-05-26 16:55:13

They kept the volume of the music so low in the movie, while rouge ones was jacked up and used as a center piece rather than side music like they did for John. Johnson piece is far better, it they gave it a back seat

Olive

2018-05-27 14:01:02

Rogue One has several caricature moments that make me want to laugh at Giacchino's naivety, but there is no denying that the material is a million of times more memorable than what we heard in Solo. RO has themes. A recognizable theme for Jyn, a silly theme for the villains, a beautiful one for the surrender of the rebels in the end, a silly march for Vader, but manages to point out the moments of the score. Not here. I'm trying to discern the theme for Han and the Chewie theme.

This made me very disappointed because I was very happy for Powell's appointment. The score is not bad, far from it. The problem is that I expected so much more. HTTYD will be my "medicine". :P

Hybrid Soldier

2018-05-27 14:03:54

Don't forget in your calculation of "measuring dicks" between Giacchino & Powell, that Giacchino had a good film to score.

Powell did not...

He did a wonderful job despite what he was given to score... lol

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-27 14:09:08

@Olive: Caricature villians, really?

Krennic has a theme similar to that of the Empire, but being an arrogant character, his theme is more exaggerated, for the character

You make laugh with the march of Vader (is HIS theme, for god's sake)

And yeah, I prefer Rogue One over Solo, not only the movie.

Olive

2018-05-27 17:48:31

Meh, I'm a "good" guy.

I prefer RO to Solo.

I did not say that the themes are from Giacchino or Williams or Powell I talk about themes of the score (regardless of who the authors are).

I'm also not "measuring dicks", Powell always has more points with me than Giacchino anyway.

I honestly did not like the theme written by WILLIAMS for Han and I can not equate it with the others in the franchise. It is disappointing.

And John's score, unfortunately, is a little paler than Rogue One's (since I can not mention the name Giacchino, as I'll be comparing the two). As much as I agree that the quality of the film is a factor to be considered, I do not believe the music is bad. It is not. I liked the music. Mainly the sequences of action. But it is very little for SW and for Powell "writing a SW score". I expected more. I'm disappointed and I hope HTTYD 3 is as good as its predecessors.

Max Potcats

2018-05-28 11:16:41

Giacchino had only 3 weeks to score Rogue One and he did a better job than Powell in 5 months, very good themes (Jyn, Imperial Suite ..), the global new sound that he brings to SW (the very beginning of "He's Here For Us "," Jedha Arrival "..) but the main difference is that Rogue One really lets the music express itself (" Wobani Imperial Labor Camp "," When Has Become Now "," Hope "," Your Father would be proud "..). I can not remember any sequence or scene in Solo where the music really drive the picture or with the picture.But of course Solo is just another "gangster movie", but in the SW universe, so there is nothing really new here. Powell did what he can and he did a fine job, but the real problem comes from the story and no music can fix that.

Oscarilbo

2018-05-28 16:00:08

I loved the movie. it was what I expected for a the kind of character Han is. And love how different this score was to the old school style... with this one Star Wars is beginning to open up as we explore new planets and characters. It has to, just as Lucas did it with the Clone Wars series.

I sincerely cannot understand how could anyone expect something not even the character of Han Solo was never meant to be. He never navigate on profound and philosophical waters UNTIL he met Luke and ObiWan. Just remember what he thought about the force on EpIV. And the way the film is made reflects exactly that. It remind me of the kind of adventures Star Wars was originally inspired by.

On top of that he wasn’t suppose to be the exact same character we see on ANH, he hasn’t reach that level of pessimism yet. It is until he met Luke and ObiWan when he stumbled with truly important and dramatic issues, so there is not really a wide range of development that can be done with Han Solo. Not every Star Wars movie need to be as profound as the episodes. It's a fun adventure and I couldn't expect more from it and had a blast ! Even the main theme is called to inform all this.

IT IS A UNIVERSE we are really starting to explore through these characters, so some of the films will be much more light than others. I loved it and was exactly what I was expecting and looking for in a movie about a character that had just a very adventurous life until he knew better. It was fresh air.&#65279;

Ds

2018-05-28 20:05:14

This Star Wars outing is a very nice slightly old-fashioned adventures movie, entertaining, light and very funny (I mean really funny, not MCU-funny). The main performance is absolutely amazing and gives a lot of heart to the movie. It flows well together and feels like a consistent movie - congrats to Ron Howard for managing that given the circumstances.

The set pieces and visuals are stunning, and even if there are a lot of CGIs, it's grounded enough not to feel assaulted by a CGI overdose that has become the norm in Hollywood movies (thanks to the MCU, again). I wouldn't say it beats the 2nd half of Rogue One (I mean the extended action scene on the island), but as a movie/story it's much better told and much less patchy.

And then the score, one of the best entries in the serie for sure.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-28 20:43:52

But dosen't have the emotional impact from that movie.

I will said this, The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith (altough, TPM have certain issues) are much better movies and SW than Solo.

But that's is my opinion.

Ds

2018-05-28 21:30:07

Well, of course, because Revenge of the Sith is simply the best SW movie :-)

mpolonest123

2018-05-28 22:11:36

@MrZimmerFan

Finally something we agree on lol

For all the hate the prequels get, ROTS is genuinely a great movie. It’s dark, emotional, and ties itself into the original trilogy without resorting to “fan service”. Everything makes sense in context. And while I’m not a big fan of Phantom Menace or Clones, I still have to give George Lucas credit for actually having imagination and expanding the SW universe with new worlds and characters. If the writing was better they could all have become classics.

Unlike this new trilogy, which relies on fan service and basically remaking ideas from the old films. They feel less like the vision of one man and more so a corporate move. Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t bad films, but they could be so much better.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-29 00:21:25

@mpolonest: I don't think The Last Jedi relies in old ideas, altough i'm not a big fan of the prequels (Attack of the Clones is simple bad), i liked The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, not as much like A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back (because, this one is my ultimate favorite SW movie), and i liked a lot Rogue One.

mpolonest123

2018-05-29 00:53:02

@MrZimmerFan

What makes Rogue One work so well is that it essentially is doing something completely separated from the characters we are used to from SW. It’s a pretty mature film compared to the other ones.

I’ll even give Last Jedi a bit of credit, the filmmakers are obviously trying to push Star Wars in a new direction with more depth. There are just certain elements that don’t completely work for me though.

Being someone that grew up with Star Wars (I’m only 24) and the prequels, I have kind of become burned out with the series. I really would like to see them tackle new stories and characters while keeping things fresh.

- Han's Searching/B theme (by Williams) - "The Adventures of Han", 0:37; a good place to hear Powell's "version" is 0:48 of "Meet Han". Powell uses the rhythm of this theme ALL OVER the score.

- Han and Chewbacca friendship theme - 2:10 to the end of "Flying with Chewie"

- Theme for Han's gang - 1:45 of "Train Heist". This is a great example of Powell writing something that is clearly influenced by Williams but still in his own voice.

- Enfys Nest/Marauder's theme - 0:24 of "Marauders Arrive". This is probably the most immediately memorable of Powell's themes because the unique sound of the Bulgarian choir and its aggressive nature really make it stand out.

- L3 theme - introduced at the start of "L3 & Millenium Falcon" but gets its best workout in "Mine Mission" (0:25) which is Powell doing a classic Indiana Jones-style march-structured Williams action cue, and doing it brilliantly.

- Han/Qi'ra love theme - "Lando's Closet" (0:18). Sadly this theme doesn't get much time to play in such an action-packed score but it's really beautiful and has an old-fashioned/Golden Age sweeping feel that's perfect for Star Wars.

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mpolonest123

2018-05-28 14:07:23

Thanks for the breakdown!

I have to admit, some of the themes seem to blend more into the soundscape (outside of Hans theme/Marauder theme/Love theme).

This is definitely one of those scores where you need a few listens to let them really sink in. The same thing happened to me with Pan, where I was able to pick out the two main ideas immediately but needed some time for the smaller motifs.

mpolonest123

2018-05-28 14:09:07

Also having no interest in seeing the film... are there any substantial missing cues/John Williams themes not on the album?

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-28 14:15:34

One reprise of the Darth Vader and... other theme (is not from the character, more from the movie he appears, and a famous one from Williams... in the prequels)

mpolonest123

2018-05-28 14:53:43

Ahh I think I read about that cameo, glad they kept THAT theme. Thanks!

Anonymous

2018-05-28 17:31:49

wow spoiler alert jackass

JBSO99

2018-05-28 17:51:54

I fact there are two reprises of The Imperial March, one which plays at the beginning with Han in the Imperial Army, but there is also another one that happens in-universe which is used in an army recruitment commercial.

And some quieter cues with the Love Theme.

mpolonest123

2018-05-28 18:18:37

It’s cool that they are incorporating the Imperial material from A New Hope alongside the march, much like they did in Rogue One. Hopefully we get a deluxe edition or FYC at some point, assuming the film does well.

Now we have heard the ost, now i cant wait to find out which tracks Powell did SOLO and which tracks he shared with his gang..

But for right now, this is my best assumption that "Flying WIth Chewie" is Paul Mounsey's (similar style with Neverland AHoy!), Batu Sener was given the Thomas Newman-sounding track, while i can hear a trace of Willis in Corellia Chase. The Good Guy is something Powell wouldnt even bother to write (beacuse this is a track full of re arrangement of his themes, so he must be kind to give to his son). Break out has a trace of "Train Station" track from Ferdinand, so that has to be a collaborative piece too

It blows my fucking mind that anyone thinks Rogue One is even within a million miles of this. Best Star Wars score since Return of the Jedi.

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MrZimmerFan

2018-05-28 11:41:00

Really?

The Last Jedi and The Force Awakens are muuuch better, even Rogue One.

Fine score... nothing else

Edmund Meinerts

2018-05-28 12:11:31

Solo is clearly better than The Last Jedi, which felt like a Star Wars greatest hits score to a degree (Force theme every 30 seconds...). TFA and Solo are close to each other, TFA has better themes and storytelling, but the action music in Solo is just so mindblowing and energetic and fresh-feeling to me. It has a drive and cohesion to it that I don't hear in the action of TFA and TLJ (which mostly falls into the modern Williams trap of being super-complicated but aimless). And the way Powell was able to stay true to his own voice while adding just enough Williams flourishes and spice on top is a remarkable achievement, far beyond the pastiche attempt by Giacchino for Rogue One (I don't dislike that score, and I cut him some slack for the time constraints, but it has so many awkward moments and Giacchino's voice really seems to battle with the Williams influence rather than gracefully working with it the way Powell does). The balancing act that Powell manages between his own music and that of Williams is nothing short of masterful.

The themes in Solo aren't the sort that immediately grab you by the throat, so I'd recommend you give it a couple listens before you make your decision. They really grow on you, and you realize that in the middle of all that frantic action music Powell is actually constantly stating and developing both the Williams theme and his own. And then there are all the brilliant little Star Wars easter eggs like the original Imperial theme at 3:34 of Train Heist, or the fanfare from the beginning of the main title worked into "Break Out" at 1:17. And don't even get me started on "Reminiscence Therapy"!

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-28 13:06:39

The only theme i recall is the Enfys Nest

But man, the theme by Williams is so unispired.

Edmund Meinerts

2018-05-28 13:29:55

I think it sounds a bit like an improved version of the Poe theme. I like it, although I admit it's no classic. Anyways, it's what Powell does with the theme (namely: a lot) that matters.

What would have happened if Ron Howard would have been the first choice to direct Solo? He would have chosen James Horner (if he wasn't dead) or try to convince Hans Zimmer to do the music. The only collaboration between Howard and maestro Williams was in the movie Far And Away.

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Hybrid Soldier

2018-05-23 22:01:05

Hans for Star Wars ?

Never.

Ron probably asked him first and Hans probably was like "JOHN POWELL !!"

Rogue One was last minute change on Giacchino. I would like to hear Alexandre Desplat score to make a correct analysis from both scores. Besides that and with the little time, Giacchino's score is good, in the same style from maestro Williams. Solo score is more different. Maestro Williams wrote the main theme and more cues, but what make the score different is Powell. He adapts Solo theme, and some of themes the original trilogy, but he puts him own stamp. Definitely is a Star Wars Score but with Powell stamp. Something Giacchino, maybe for the time, did not develop.The film, well, i will watch on DVD.

I think Powell found his niche with this score...Because he's WAY better at apeing Williams than Giacchino could ever be, and with way more energy....

And here Giacchino prides his work on Williams from his origins in video game music...

This blows Giacchino out of the ocean and into the moon. This surprises me, as I expected Giacchino to have such huge hard-on for Williams.

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mpolonest123

2018-05-25 03:01:22

To be fair, Giacchino didn’t have much time to work on Rogue One, which explains why certain portions (coughactionmusiccough) fell flat. It’s not a bad score at all, but yeah, John Powell is above and beyond a better composer. His recordings have life and energy, and while most of it still sounds like Powell, he is able to switch into Williams mode so easily.

In defense of Giacchino though, just go listen to Jupiter Ascending if you want a score on the same level as this. The action music is phenomenal, there are at least a dozen solid themes, and the recording doesn’t seem as flat as some of his other scores.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-25 10:57:40

The action music is flat in Rogue One?, agree if the score isn't as good as Jupiter Ascending, for example, but the action music is BETTER than Spider-Man or Jurassic World.

IMHO

Ds

2018-05-25 11:00:14

"Pan" was also a replacement score, and look at the marvelous Powell score we got... However I don't know how long he had to score it. Certainly a bit more time than what Giacchino got for Rogue One.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-25 11:06:39

@Ds: i'm not a big fan for Pan, i liked the score, but Powell have MUUUCH better action/fantasy scores.

mpolonest123

2018-05-25 20:00:43

@mrzimmerfanYeah, I definitely disagree. When I was watching Rogue One in theaters I kept getting taken out of the film because of the music, which isn’t something that I normally pay attention to when I watch movies.

And I know it gets criticized a lot, but I honestly love Jurassic World. The flat recording sound aside, I think it’s an intelligent score that does something new the franchise material while still paying tribute. Even Homecoming has grown on me, particularly Vulture’s theme.

mpolonest123

2018-05-25 20:02:43

As for Pan, I initially wasn’t impressed at all with the music. It took about a year for it to sink in and let me fall in love with the themes.

Kingfannypack is the MILFcommander

2018-05-25 20:24:15

mpolonest123 I’m glad I’m not the only one who enjoys Jurassic World. It think it pays great tribute to John Williams’ groundbreaking work for the JP franchise, but it also had many exciting and creative motifs that made the score stand out in my mind.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-25 21:36:33

'Yeah, I definitely disagree. When I was watching Rogue One in theaters I kept getting taken out of the film because of the music, which isn’t something that I normally pay attention to when I watch movies. '

The action music in that movie reinforces the tension and epicness of the movie (for example, The Master Switch gives gravitas to the scene and have a nice rendition for the theme of Chirrut's character)

'And I know it gets criticized a lot, but I honestly love Jurassic World. The flat recording sound aside, I think it’s an intelligent score that does something new the franchise material while still paying tribute. Even Homecoming has grown on me, particularly Vulture’s theme.'

Jurassic World, musically speaking, copies the tonal sound from the first Jurassic and dosen't give a memorable theme for the new park (the theme is more a other version from the Williams' theme), dosen't feel fresh to the franchise or inteligent, reverse, copies the tonal aspects from the original music from John Williams. Vulture's theme is a reshash from the Fantastic Four theme from Marco Beltrami and Philip Glass

Iamtommie

2018-05-25 21:46:42

Vulture's theme is The Avengers theme but in lower tones

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-25 22:02:45

Really?, because sounds more like Beltrami than Silvestri

mpolonest123

2018-05-25 22:09:48

@mrzimmerfan

Still have to disagree, I love the new “Park Theme” and the way it sort of takes over from the classic theme. Then you have the Indominus theme, Owen’s theme, the villain theme, the family theme, the source music, etc.I’ll take that any day over Lost World and JP3. Is it as good as the original score? Hell no, but not many scores are.

And I do see the similarities between the vulture theme and those other ones listed. It’s definitely not original, but it is effective.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-26 16:03:40

Still have to disagree, I love the new “Park Theme” and the way it sort of takes over from the classic theme. Then you have the Indominus theme, Owen’s theme, the villain theme, the family theme, the source music, etc.I’ll take that any day over Lost World and JP3. Is it as good as the original score? Hell no, but not many scores are.'

The Lost World was a coherent evolution in the franchise, Williams maintains the original theme, but creates a darker and more percussive score (listen the expanded version by La La Land), because the movie isn't like Jurassic Park. And i getting appreciate more the Don Davis score for JPIII, better orchestrated than Jurassic World, both scores are FAR better than Jurassic World (one for a coherent and agressive tone and more memorable, and the other because is better orchestrated)

'And I do see the similarities between the vulture theme and those other ones listed. It’s definitely not original, but it is effective.'

I don't see any similaraties with the Avengers theme, effective?, yeah, but not memorable and i'll pick up any day than any theme in Jurassic World

It's funny that when they announced that the star wars story films would be scored by different conposers, I was like... COME ONE JOHNY GET ON IT and sure enough a year later... Same with Pan (one of his best scores in my opinion).

It's really sad how more than half of this score is just very messy bombastic sound rather than a more structured melodic/thematic approach, this coming from a hardcore Powell fan. The saddest thing is that this was THE film for him to score, full of action and chase sequences, which John has always excelled at. Here however, rather than his usual voice, it sounds as if he shies away from it and goes back to anything established by Williams every 30 seconds or so. Whenever it sounds like a cue is leading up to something interesting and exploring a new idea, it just shies away from it. This might have been on the directors/producer's side of things... or that's what I'm choosing to believe, at least. Don't get me wrong, every so often there are some sections that really do shine, this often being when Powell isn't just trying to sound Williamsy and/or referencing old SW material. Maybe I just need to give the album a few more listens. Usually happens whenever a new Powell soundtrack album is released. Not sure, though. Just by listening to Ferdinand a few times, for example, you could really feel and understand the story, its characters and their development, as their themes developed as well. This one is just a mess and feels... off.

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2018-05-26 05:28:30

Well, for starters, the HAN SOLO theme Williams wrote is kind of...well...meh....

And I can see where Powell had to incorporate the original Star Wars and some Empire themes....Asteroid Field being one of them.

I just kinda hoped Powell would adapt Asteroid Field into something more than whatever the hell butchery happened here....

JP knocked this one out of the park! The whole score has this excellent swashbuckling vibe, which is surprisingly aggressive during the action sequences (entirely due to his trademark percussion).

The writing style is really interesting, it’s basically John Powell doing his usual style but with some Williams flourishes, especially during the softer cues. The Star Wars themes do return, but not as heavily as Rogue One. And of course the JW cue is great, although surprisingly structured more as an action cue as opposed to a concert suite.

And for some reason the Han theme sounds vaguely similar to Poe’s theme from Force Awakens.

MrZimmerFan

2018-05-24 19:35:58

'but not as heavily as Rogue One'

Because Rogue One have conections with certain aspects or characters from the OT?

An here you have a track with three themes (or cues) with no conections with the OT, Rogue One have more sense... but the score is fricking awesome :)

mpolonest123

2018-05-24 19:59:02

@MrZimmerFan

I actually like Rogue One, and I do understand why it leans so heavily on the original themes. Here the themes are incorporated more as fan service, but Powell is able to do wonders with interpolating them with his material.

And something I forgot to mention, this score reminds me so much of Pan in the action sequences. The percussion and brass writing is great lol

JBSO99

2018-05-24 21:02:05

"Reminiscent Therapy" is amazing in the way it incorporates a lot of Williams' classic stuff making it feel very natural and organic, like it's part Powell's themes, like he does with "The Adentures of Han".