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The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army

20-years old, mother of an infant son, college student and now Director of Municipal Public Security aka Chief of Police for the battle-torn Mexican towns of Práxedis Guadalupe Guerrero and El Porvenir, that describes the short and soon-to-be tragic life of Marisol Valles Garcia.

That she will end up raped, murdered, and dismembered is almost a foregone conclusion.

Chief Valles Garcia will be leading an amazingly courageous force of 13 agents, one working patrol car, three automatic rifles and a single pistol against the thugs of the Mexican drug cartels which war upon each other and the Mexican government’s forces for control of the area. Nine of her agents are women and will not be armed.

This young woman is amazingly brave, quite beautiful, totally committed to her people, and whole orders of magnitude better than the residents of the Mexican border state of Chihuahua can reasonably hope to ever deserve. But the cowards and filth in the Juárez Valley – who will still claim to be men – will sacrifice her and her family to the drug cartels while they hide in their hovels.

Chief Marisol Valles Garcia’s Fate?

I very much do not look forward to reading about Marisol Valles Garcia’s rape and murder or to see pictures of her dismembered corpse; nor do I look forward to reading about what the Cartel thugs will do to her infant son. I fully expect to though unless something is done about the Mexican drug cartels – and I don’t see either Calderon’s failed government or the average pocho being either willing or able to do anything.

Actually, Europe IS experiencing alarming consequences, though they’re trying to keep it quiet, and even Holland is considering rethinking its liberal policies on drugs.

It just doesn’t work to legalize most drugs, especially ones like cocaine which is the moneymaker for the Mexican cartels. Even if you legalize it, the cartels will still run things just as they do now.

Remember, Paradigm that most of the violence in Mexico is Cartel-on-Cartel because “hostile takeover” has a whole new meaning for those apes. That wouldn’t change with a legalization of the product, nor would their behavior while “bootlegging” – avoiding taxes / tariffs – likely be different from they do now.

Holland is just adjusting to the surrounding countries. If they have the most liberal laws they will, and do, attract addicts from their neighbors. But it is happening all over Europe – Schwitzerland, the Chech Republic, Denmark and Portugal all have a liberal policy. And of these only Denmark has a higher crime rate than the USA. Portugal has even legalized heavy drugs – with no alarming consequences, but a clear decline in HIV cases. Tens of thousands have died in the Mexican drug wars, however – and that is alarming consequences.

And how would the cartels stay in charge if anyone can buy it in a pharmacy or from their doctor? The prices would fall drastically and the market would collapse.

Cartels would still control the supply, much as the Taliban and various warlords control the supply of opium in Asia Minor. Just because their product would lose a certain amount of value / kilo doesn’t mean that they’d change their business model. America’s Mafia has proven that. The y moved into legal trades but brought their gangland methodology with them.

As for Europe, I wasn’t talking talking about the addicts as a consequence. I was talking about the international drug dealers and organized crime.

They can hardly be said to control supply if you can buy it in a pharmacy. Sure they may move into other markets – they’d be forced to – but hardly with the same success. Drugs are easy and most criminals are stupid. The average drug dealer probably has an IQ of 85 or thereabout.

Yes, it may be that liberal countries supply others with drugs illegally and thus worsen the situation in these countries. But they can change their policies as well. If your policy needs for others to have the same policy in order to work it is clearly flawed.

Organized crime is very hard to meassure, but their is certainly no alarming change in the overall crime rate in Portugal. But some organizations are gaining ground in Sweden – which has a restrictive policy.

I fail to see these “alarming consequences” in terms of crimes committed or otherwise. What would it be that tops the war in Mexico (which is now looking to spread into the US)?

You shot down your own argument with, “If your policy needs for others to have the same policy in order to work it is clearly flawed.”

If the US, or any country, legalized a recreational chemical it would be necessary for the countries within which reside the whole of the supply chain to do so as well if one was to avoid the problems that would result.

You keep mistaking distribution for supply, Paradigm. You also forget that all such luxuries end up being heavily taxed, which creates an ongoing market for bootlegging such we still see in the US with regards to alcohol and tobacco (both legal but heavily taxed a the federa, state, and local levels.

Not sure what you’re saying here. Every sovereign nation makes its own laws. It will sometimes hurt other countries, but I don’t see that happening in Europe. At least not in the way that American drug policies are hurting Mexico.

Sure there is an illegal market for cigarettes and other legal stuff but it isn’t remotely as big a problem as the heavier drugs. That’s where the big money is.

And exactly what are these “alarming consequences” you talk of? You seem vague on this point. I can’t see those consequences in Europe. Millions can now access drugs legally, but apart from lower HIV rates there is no big difference. In fact, in Portugal there is a slight decrease in drug addicts since they legalized it. This might affect crime rates in the years to come.

The negative consequences that various police forces in Europe have complained about have been an increase in organized crime and drug smuggling from other countries. That will continue and escalate as long as there is a market, legal or not, for a product that is illegal elsewhere to produce.

OK, let’s say that that the US legalized cocaine. That would just increase the problems in Central America where it is still illegal to manufacture and traffic in. The new, larger market would decrease cocaine prices per gram and increase the violence between the Cartels as they had to fight even harder with each other to provide for that larger but lower profit margin market.

We could, however, legalize marijuana since we could easily produce enough for our own use and, supposedly, our domestic crop is superior to most import these days.

I haven’t heard of any reports that link an increase in organized crime here with liberal drug policies.

I very much doubt that the market would become larger. In Portugal drug addicts have become fewer as money is put into rehabilitation rather than policing. Prizes could easily be kept as low as say anti-depressants. I don’t see any cartels killing thousands of people for that market – and those pills are very popular. The cartels would not fight even harder for less money; they would move into something they saw as more lucrative.

Well, this experiment is already taking place so I guess time will tell. But so far (nine years in Portugal’s case) I can’t see that anything really bad has happened, the opposite in fact. Which is more than can be said for the American/Mexican situation.

During alcohol prohibition the mob ran the liquor industry. What happened? Once legalized, the liquor companies stepped in and legally produced alcohol. How is this any different? Why cannot the tobacco industry lets say grow coca plants or whatever plant domestically?

You do care what people do to themselves, you said you want to exterminate some people for doing something to themselves.

I’ll give you this one point, if we could grow the plants used for the drugs here in the US then your and Paradigm’s viewpoint might work. There’d still be smuggling, just as there’s still smuggling of alcohol and tobacco, but it’d be less of a problem within the US than what we have now.

Of course that doesn’t address how to deal with not importing foreign product after we had legalized it here. It might well still make things worse elsewhere, as I’ve pointed out earlier.

Finally, no; I don’t care what you or anyone else does to themselves. I care solely about supporting things like the cartels with your purchases. If you could buy homegrown, home processed cocaine, I’d have no problem whatsoever.

[…]It may have taken a little over three months for savage animals in the Mexican drug cartels to get rid of the Chief of Police for the battle-torn Mexican towns of Práxedis Guadalupe Guerrero and El Porvenir, Marisol Valles Garcia[…]

You do realize that alcohol was once illegal…. the same argument for “alarming consequences” was given back in it’s day of legalization. If a law can not be enforced than it is not a value to society. I do not know of anyone over he age of 10 that if looking to buy drugs can not because it is illegal.

The plain fact is that it is human nature. IF one wishes to take drugs they will. period. I say tax the heck out of them and give that money back to society. The path of least resistance will always prevail. The average 40 something pot smoker or the 20 something coke head will gladly pay premium prices if all they have to do is go to their local Walgreen’s to get their fix.

Would just like to say the Taliban do not control the LEGAL production of Opium, used for morphine which comes from N India and Turkey. Have studied Afghan heroin indepth and can say yea if it was legalised Indian and Turkish growing could be expanded, the price would fall, and then most Afghan famrers would switch to crops like Apricots, or cashew nuts which are almost as profitable than Opium

It’s an old post from before she got smart and got out, Ole’ shouty, ALL CAPS one. The follow-up can be found here.

I know that the Waukegan area isn’t exactly well-known for education, being a Chicago suburb, but try to at least read the dates on the post and comments before crying, “Bull Shit.” Failure to do so just makes you look like an idiot.