Dear John: ‘I Do’ to ‘I Did’

Can’t my sister see she and her husband have to stay together for their kids? Why is my husband obsessed with teaching our son to fight? Is posting our arguments on Facebook worth breaking up over?

Dear John,

This is a very, very difficult, sad letter for me to write. My sister and I are close. We’ve had disagreements, as any siblings have, but this is the first time she has me wondering how well I even know this person I’ve known literally my entire life. (I am four years older than she is.)

She and my brother-in-law have two wonderful young children. Up until a couple of months ago I would have said they have a typical marriage—the occasional argument, but nothing out of the ordinary. But she revealed to me that she no longer loves her husband, is unsure if she ever really did, and intends to leave him with the intention of getting a divorce! I am so upset by this. The thing that makes me saddest (and angriest, to be honest) is that there’s no other person involved, there’s no personal problem like drinking or drugs that would at least allow me to say that’s sad but I understand her thinking. There’s nothing like that. Just doesn’t love him, isn’t happy, and doesn’t see any reason to continue investing her emotions and effort into something that’s all over. As if her children have nothing to do with this!

She completely rejects the idea of staying together for the kids’ sake and she says having two happy-but-separate parents is much better for the kids than having two sullen, miserable parents that stay together out of stubbornness.

She is so casual about the whole thing, like the kids will hardly miss a beat! I am so shocked at how much she is minimizing the impact this will have on her children. I am trying my best to talk her out of it, but I don’t think I’m giving her the least bit of pause. What, if any, advice do you have for me? Or her?

Signed,

Heartbroken Sister And Aunt

Dear Heartbroken Sister And Aunt,

Of course it’s sad when a marriage ends, especially if kids are involved, but you may have no choice but to accept her decision and hope that she’s not making an enormous mistake. You can certainly let your opinion be known, but this is her life and her marriage, and you have to let her live it. Despite how blasé she may appear to you, you don’t know what her marriage is like, nor do you really know how she feels inside. If this is out of character for her, I think you have to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she’s just trying to maintain a strong outward appearance. I would try to talk to her about it, but just listen to what she says. What does she mean when she says she “isn’t happy”? Is she sure her family life is the source of her unhappiness, or might it be something deeper? Don’t try to change her mind – that may well be why she’s kept you at an emotional arm’s length through such a difficult time. She needs a loving sister, not a judge.

As far as the general question of divorce goes, I do think there is some merit to staying together “for the kids’ sake,” but it is immensely harmful to children to be raised by two people who are openly hostile to each other. Some kids can emerge from such a home less scathed than others, but there’s no doubt it’s a very bad situation. Having said that, I do think parents owe it to their kids to make a serious effort to stay together, even if that means making their own happiness secondary until the kids are grown. If the parents can put on happy faces, even if they don’t really feel it all the time, I think they should. This is very difficult to sustain over many years, though. I think a lot of people get married without realizing that it’s hard work.

What can you do? You can accept whatever she decides, give her the emotional support she’ll need, and continue to be a positive, loving, and steady presence in the lives of her children. How the adults in their lives, including you, react to this will play a large part in determining the impact it has on their emotional well-being. Never bad mouth or undermine either of their parents for any reason. Just let them know you love them and they can always feel free to talk to you about how they’re feeling.

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Dear John,

I would appreciate your point of view about something I’m having a hard time understanding: my husband, who is a smart, kind, considerate man, was bullied when he was younger. To the extent my husband has talked to me about it, I get the impression that it was not extreme or the type of thing that would be in the news if it were to happen today, but simply, for lack of a better way to describe it, “average” bullying. It certainly doesn’t seem to have left any lasting emotional scars. At least, I didn’t think so. Now I’m not so sure.

We have a five-year-old son and my husband is fixated on the idea of preventing him from being the victim of the kind of cruelty he was subjected to. Not by teaching him that violence is wrong, mind you, but by teaching him to fight! He is quite eager to enroll our son in karate or boxing lessons, he has told him it’s perfectly acceptable to hit someone back who hits you, he has shared his belief that force is “the only thing a bully truly understands” and on and on. John, we’re talking about a five-year-old! It breaks my heart to think of this sweet, utterly innocent boy absorbing this brutal view of the world.

We have had some quite heated arguments about this—the first childrearing subject we’ve truly disagreed on. Of course I don’t want our son to be bullied, but I don’t see how turning him into a bully is any better, either. I want to raise a son who abhors violence, but I can’t do it with a husband who seems to relish it. This is a serious disagreement. Please help.

Sincerely,

Pacifist

Dear Pacifist,

Although adults do often become perpetrators of whatever physical or emotional violence was inflicted on them as children, it doesn’t sound to me like your husband wants to turn your son into a bully. It sounds like he wants him to be prepared to fight back should he be a victim of bullying. Those are two very different things.

I think there’s room for the two of you to meet in the middle on this. First, boxing or karate lessons won’t, in and of themselves, turn your son into a bully. In fact, karate classes for children should emphasize avoidance of conflict whenever possible—they are to ensure that children know how to defend themselves if they must. Furthermore, these kinds of classes provide kids with much-needed exercise and build their self-confidence. Paradoxically, it’s easier to decline to fight when you know you could have held your own. So don’t discourage the idea of lessons in one of the martial arts.

As far as your husband goes, he should emphasize to your son that non-violence should always be his first resort. If someone is picking on your son, he should tell him (or her if we’re talking about five-year-olds) to stop. If that doesn’t work, he should tell a teacher or other adult. But as your son gets older, he may well find himself in a situation someday in which neither of these options is viable, so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with teaching him self-defense.

You and your husband should be able to discuss this calmly, hear and respect each other’s points of view, and reach an arrangement you can both live with. It seems an especially ironic thing to be having “heated arguments” about.

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Dear John,

I’m starting to learn the hard way that my girlfriend that I’ve been with for several months likes to bring our arguments over onto Facebook. A couple times now she has really embarrassed me by posting what we were arguing about with kind of a “can someone tell me what’s wrong with this guy” kind of attitude. I let her know how much this bothers me and she said she’d stop but next time she did the exact same thing. It’s hard to break up with her though because I usually like her a lot and I went for a long time without having a girlfriend and I’d hate being without one again. But maybe I should?? Is there a way to get her to see how much this bothers me? Is this worth breaking up over?

Signed,

Don’t Care What Her Friends Think

Dear D.C.W.H.F.T.,

You don’t have to get her to see how much this bothers you. She knows—that’s why she does it. If you want to be able to tell yourself you gave this relationship every chance, you can try to talk to her about it one last time and see how far you get, but this is the reddest of flags. Your girlfriend has no idea how to productively or respectfully resolve a conflict. I know there are a lot of great things about being in a relationship, but you know what’s worse than being unattached? This. Personally, I would de-friend her. And not just on Facebook.

About John Simpson, GoLocalProv.com

John is a middle-aged family man from Providence. If you learn from your mistakes, he’s brilliant. His column runs regularly on GoLocalProv.com.

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van Rooinek

5 years 7 months ago

my husband, who is a smart, kind, considerate man, was bullied when he was younger….We have a five-year-old son and my husband is fixated on the idea of preventing him from being the victim of the kind of cruelty he was subjected to. Not by teaching him that violence is wrong, mind you, but by teaching him to fight! Yes, of course. Teach him to fight! Because that’s what actually works. School authorities generally don’t care much about bullying, and even if they do, they can’t do much. But when the tall skinny science nerd spends a summer in the… Read more »

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van Rooinek

5 years 7 months ago

PS… By analogy to the inane “rape culture” threads, I suppose that I’ll now be accused of perptrating a “bully culture” by handing out advice to the victims. Instead of telling victims how to “not be bullied”, so this disastrous illogic goes, we should be telling the football team, “don’t bully!” It should be on the bullies not to bully, not on the victims to protect themselves Well… tough. It should be that way, but in fact it IS NOT that way. The bullies are utterly impervious to moral suasion, so browbeating them to stop bullying achieves precisely nothing. Hardening… Read more »

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Copyleft

5 years 7 months ago

Re; The first letter, John is correct. While it’s silly and even pathetic to let a marriage fall apart through indifference, ‘staying together for the sake of the children’ is almost ALWAYS a lousy idea–especially when two people really have grown apart to the point that the home is no longer loving and nurturing.

Sad to say, it’s often better for all concerned to split up “for the children” than to keep everyone miserable under the same roof. A mature and responsible person will consider the situation carefully to make the best choice for all concerned.

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Aya

5 years 8 months ago

D.C.W.H.F.T.–John is ON POINT. Your girlfriend is an asshole (at least what’s she’s doing is an asshole move). She obviously doesn’t care about your feelings if she keeps on doing this. Give her maybe one more chance. If she does it again, move on. It might sound like a little thing to break up over, but she’s humiliating you, making you look like a fool, and airing your dirty laundry. And if you’re with her mostly because you’d hate not having a girlfriend again–that’s yet another huge problem.

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Aya

5 years 8 months ago

Yet another reason to not–or to wait very long–before having children. I don’t know why people rush into this before they know they’re ready and completely committed. Marriage isn’t supposed to be bliss every day, but it’s terrible to be trapped in one where you’re unhappy, no longer love the other person, and have no hope of escape. I hope she makes the right decision, and of course, the kids come first. Some of the smartest, most successful people I know come from divorced families. It’s better than being in one where the parents are bitter and fighting all the… Read more »

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Eric M.

5 years 8 months ago

While I acknowledge that we are only hearing a sliver of one side of the story, from what is written here, Heartbroken Sister and Aunt’s sister is being immensely selfish, and will likely live to regret it. No marriage is perfect but she married the man for a reason, and then had two children with him. Suddenly she realizes she’s not in love? The whole point of marriage is that you will stick together, no matter what, busting your buns to make and keep your mate happy and feeling loved and appreciated, not romantic bliss every second of every day.… Read more »

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Livy

5 years 8 months ago

Or she could be teaching her children not to stay in a situation that makes them unhappy. Personally, I’d like my children to be happy in the future, but maybe that’s just me. Possibly something I’ve learnt from seeing my parents each find good, fulfilling lives with their own partners, rather than having another 13 years of them fighting, before admitting their mistake when I turned 18. Yes, this is not a decision to take lightly, and it’s awful to miss out on time with one or both parents, but I’d rather my children learnt about the possibility of a… Read more »

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Eric M.

5 years 8 months ago

“Or she could be teaching her children not to stay in a situation that makes them unhappy.” True. She’s helping them to appreciate that their happiness at any given moment is more important than that of anyone or thing else, and that they should never sacrifice their momentary happiness for that of anyone or anything, including their children, aging parents or any other person or cause. Indeed, nothing and no one is more important than they are. With their mom’s philosophies firmly in tow, those young people will be well equipped for a lifetime of fleeting relationships with like-minded people.

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Aya

5 years 8 months ago

You sometimes take one sentence and completely spin it. She was the child in this situation, and she says she had it better because her parents split up when they did. I’ve heard this sentiment from other people too. My ex-boyfriend was happy to go to both of his parents’ weddings and knows they’re happier and can be happy for them. They did wait until he was around 18 (although they do have two younger children) and he didn’t give one damn when the divorce happened. He knew it was coming for a while. They’re both happily married to other… Read more »

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Eric M.

5 years 8 months ago

“You sometimes take one sentence and completely spin it. She was the child in this situation, and she says she had it better because her parents split up when they did.” Completely false. You obviously didn not read her comment, or you didn’t read the letter – or both. She made a statement about the mother in the letter: “Up until a couple of months ago I would have said they have a typical marriage—the occasional argument, but nothing out of the ordinary. But she revealed to me that she no longer loves her husband, is unsure if she ever… Read more »