Who else is mad about the apology?

I for one am extremely disappointed with Cook issuing the apology. Jobs would never have bent over to the competition and let them take turns on him. Apple has severely disappointed me, and supporting them through this is making me look like a fool. I have loved all apple products prior to this, and even love the IP5, but this move makes Cook look like an extremely meek CEO. If there is anything good that can come from this it is that the stakeholders will form an uprising to get his ass outed. Who is with me here?

i agree. they should have let jonny ive take over instead of Tim Cookie

Apology was not called for at all.

I mean lets look at the situation. EVERYONE knows there are map alternatives. Hell, just because Safari may not measure up to Chrome, is he going to apologize for that too?

I can see if it was a bad battery, or bad antenna gate stuff -- which is hardware issues. But a software thing? Where many other options exist, and apple maps is pretty much brand spankin new/beta-ish?

I don't know how many times we have to reiterate the same old things, but here it goes:

Tim is not Steve

Do you know Tim? Steve Did, he worked along side the man for years and believed he was the right man for the job when he no longer could do it.

Do we know all the factors that went into this decision? Tim likely didn't wake up today and decide to write a letter. He probably sought council from other top folks at Apple - Scott Forstall, Phil Schiller, etc. This isn't a decision made without input from senior people.

To be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple. They released a product that was not ready for prime time. But it seems like no one is happy anymore when we're being critical of them issuing an apology for an application we don't like.

I for one am extremely disappointed with Cook issuing the apology. Jobs would never have bent over to the competition and let them take turns on him. Apple has severely disappointed me, and supporting them through this is making me look like a fool. I have loved all apple products prior to this, and even love the IP5, but this move makes Cook look like an extremely meek CEO. If there is anything good that can come from this it is that the stakeholders will form an uprising to get his ass outed. Who is with me here?

I don't know how many times we have to reiterate the same old things, but here it goes:

Tim is not Steve

Do you know Tim? Steve Did, he worked along side the man for years and believed he was the right man for the job when he no longer could do it.

Do we know all the factors that went into this decision? Tim likely didn't wake up today and decide to write a letter. He probably sought council from other top folks at Apple - Scott Forstall, Phil Schiller, etc. This isn't a decision made without input from senior people.

To be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple. They released a product that was not ready for prime time. But it seems like no one is happy anymore when we're being critical of them issuing an apology for an application we don't like.

I for one am extremely disappointed with Cook issuing the apology. Jobs would never have bent over to the competition and let them take turns on him. Apple has severely disappointed me, and supporting them through this is making me look like a fool. I have loved all apple products prior to this, and even love the IP5, but this move makes Cook look like an extremely meek CEO. If there is anything good that can come from this it is that the stakeholders will form an uprising to get his ass outed. Who is with me here?

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Uprising to get his ass outed when they're doing excellent financially which means more money in shareholders' pockets? You're funny.

I don't know how many times we have to reiterate the same old things, but here it goes:

Tim is not Steve

Do you know Tim? Steve Did, he worked along side the man for years and believed he was the right man for the job when he no longer could do it.

Do we know all the factors that went into this decision? Tim likely didn't wake up today and decide to write a letter. He probably sought council from other top folks at Apple - Scott Forstall, Phil Schiller, etc. This isn't a decision made without input from senior people.

To be clear, I'm not apologizing for Apple. They released a product that was not ready for prime time. But it seems like no one is happy anymore when we're being critical of them issuing an apology for an application we don't like.

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What you "reiterated" isn't important. Steve was a mad genius period. Just because he "picked" Tim doesn't mean that Tim is capable of keeping Apple Apple.

So yea, you're right, Tim isn't Steve. Steve let the products talk because he knew the products and the future of them. Tim doesn't. And that's exactly what we are saying. Tim shouldn't have issued an apology.

I for one am extremely disappointed with Cook issuing the apology. Jobs would never have bent over to the competition and let them take turns on him. Apple has severely disappointed me, and supporting them through this is making me look like a fool. I have loved all apple products prior to this, and even love the IP5, but this move makes Cook look like an extremely meek CEO. If there is anything good that can come from this it is that the stakeholders will form an uprising to get his ass outed. Who is with me here?

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Their previous statement regarding maps was already good enough,I dind't understand why cook had to make a separate apology.
On top of that, it would;ve been better if Cook gave the general public an understanding as to why this maps change was necessary (google's endless lust for user data)...etc.

i agree. they should have let jonny ive take over instead of Tim Cookie

Apology was not called for at all.

I mean lets look at the situation. EVERYONE knows there are map alternatives. Hell, just because Safari may not measure up to Chrome, is he going to apologize for that too?

I can see if it was a bad battery, or bad antenna gate stuff -- which is hardware issues. But a software thing? Where many other options exist, and apple maps is pretty much brand spankin new/beta-ish?

C'mon Tim. Not necessary

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Personally, i say let Jony do what he does best. Tim is a good PR person, but i think the real predecessor to Jobs is actually Scott Forstall.

He apologized twice since the iPhone came out. To refresh some memories:

From 2007:

I have received hundreds of emails from iPhone customers who are upset about Apple dropping the price of iPhone by $200 two months after it went on sale. After reading every one of these emails, I have some observations and conclusions. . .

We want to do the right thing for our valued iPhone customers. We apologize for disappointing some of you, and we are doing our best to live up to your high expectations of Apple.

Steve Jobs

Apple CEO

From 2010:

Yesterday Apple and its carrier partners took pre-orders for more than 600,000 of Apples new iPhone 4. It was the largest number of pre-orders Apple has ever taken in a single day and was far higher than we anticipated, resulting in many order and approval system malfunctions. Many customers were turned away or abandoned the process in frustration. We apologize to everypony who encountered difficulties, and hope that they will try again or visit an Apple or carrier store once the iPhone 4 is in stock.

I just read the apology and thought it was classy. He acknowledged that he hears people's concerns. Give it a rest. If you can do better than develops your own map app and submit it to Apple. Or start your own tech company and develop a phone that will run your awesome new map app. Or, you can do some thing more reasonable, quicker, and cheaper........and just shut your noise hole.

What you "reiterated" isn't important. Steve was a mad genius period. Just because he "picked" Tim doesn't mean that Tim is capable of keeping Apple Apple.

So yea, you're right, Tim isn't Steve. Steve let the products talk because he knew the products and the future of them. Tim doesn't. And that's exactly what we are saying. Tim shouldn't have issued an apology.

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It's quite important. Some folks have this impression that Tim needs to be Steve and do exactly what "Steve would have done". The truth is that what Steve would have done is really just what the individual poster would want him to do. It's always so easy to speak for the dead.

And if Steve knew the products future so well, why did he even bother releasing Ping? and MobileMe? Companies take risks, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'd rather they own up to the mistakes than not.

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