Looks like Turk is back in the news in the only way he can really make news right now: by talking about Cash Money.

Today’s topic of discussion? The infamous kissing between his former labelmates Baby and Lil Wayne.

“That’s just something n****s did in-house. Just like when n****s play basketball, n**** might make a shot, n**** hit him on his ass. That don’t mean he a f*g, that means ‘good job.’ We all used do that s**t. That was an in-house thing. N***** used to be like, ‘You got love for a n***a? How much you love me?’ It just was a homeboy thing.”

Much of what Turk tells VladTV has already been heard before. That it was a mafia type thing. That it wasn’t “on no gay shit,” but more of a father-son bond. Turk even admits that he used to partake in the smooching, but he’s clear in stating that all the lip-locking never included Juvenile, who Turk says “didn’t look at Baby the way we did” because he was older.

I’m still amazed that Wayne was able to overcome this and have his biggest success after the fact. It’s like Rick Ross, the correctional officer, but multiplied tenfold given how openly homophobic rap is. I’m also a little creeped out about Baby apparently being predatory with kids like Vee from Orange Is The New Black. Hearing stuff like this puts a different twist on a very suspect bar on “#1 Stunna” and the Sandusky-esque vibe to Baby and Wayne’s appearance in the “Slow Motion” video.

But, whatever, to each his own I guess. Well, except for Juvie. He didn’t play that sh*t.

Bro kissing another dude in the mouth and he’s supposed to be your father figure? That’s not gay that’s some pedophile type shit. These niggas were like 12-15 years old. That’s some weird shit. To kiss a teenager on the mouth and he’s not even your son…ehh

I’ve had this argument with my friends for what feels like 10yrs now. All joking aside, it’s more weird than gay. Definite grounds for looking at a ni@@a sideways, but not necessarily gay. I’ve seen men kiss their sons on the mouth before. Nothing that I endorse, but i see nothing wrong with it when the kids a toddler. Now, when he’s a teenager and not really even your son….ehhhhhhhhh

It’s funny. Cats—young Black Men worked so hard in the 90s to take cues on manhood and community from Italian Mafia types— who’d sooner pick up their own dog’s crap with their bare hands then show young black men a modicum of respect.

This nonsense is residual of that.

What does it mean for a Black Man to show love and affection to another Black Man without being called “gay”? What’s acceptable? As weird as this random kissing is, I’ve seen in other communities.

when I was over sease I saw cats—older cats from Ghana holding hands walking down the streets, but women were with them—women who were clearly their wives or signififant others. I saw so many random African guys doing it that I finally asked about it—and they said that older men holding hands was common in their country—it meant nothing more than friendship.

Weirder than these guys randomly pecking each other on various cheeks is yelling “no homo” after everything, including phrases that you’d have to be a near illiterate to confuse or conflate with an intentional reference to homosexuality.

American Black Men get so many mixed messages about what is and isn’t masculine and what is and isn’t “plutonic luv” that it’s a mess… Similar to the Chris Bosh post—we’re gonna question cats like Bosh no matter how many women they impregnate or sextapes they drop simply because they don’t fit into the cartoon version of masculinity foisted on Black Men.