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It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.Kin Gandy

It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.

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tophat27dt
2:27pm Sun 30 Mar 14

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.tophat27dt

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

Score: 1

[deleted]
2:41pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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We have two choices in this country:
1. Keep our green spaces and turn out cities/towns into high-rise nightmares like some asian cities, with shoebox accomodation (with ultra high accommodation prices/rents) and massive traffic congestion.
2. Lose our green spaces altogether.
There is a third choice. It's called population control, whether it be proper control of immigration or by birth control. However, we have yet to see a Government with the backbone to do anything about this.
As someone has already mentioned, we are a small island and have finite space. Also, it does not matter how many homes are built to accommodate the growing population, or where they are built, if country does not have the infrastructure to support them. This country's infrastructure already struggles to support the population and homes we already have without adding to it.emcee

We have two choices in this country:
1. Keep our green spaces and turn out cities/towns into high-rise nightmares like some asian cities, with shoebox accomodation (with ultra high accommodation prices/rents) and massive traffic congestion.
2. Lose our green spaces altogether.

There is a third choice. It's called population control, whether it be proper control of immigration or by birth control. However, we have yet to see a Government with the backbone to do anything about this.
As someone has already mentioned, we are a small island and have finite space. Also, it does not matter how many homes are built to accommodate the growing population, or where they are built, if country does not have the infrastructure to support them. This country's infrastructure already struggles to support the population and homes we already have without adding to it.

Score: -1

[deleted]
2:43pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote:
We have two choices in this country:
1. Keep our green spaces and turn out cities/towns into high-rise nightmares like some asian cities, with shoebox accomodation (with ultra high accommodation prices/rents) and massive traffic congestion.
2. Lose our green spaces altogether.
There is a third choice. It's called population control, whether it be proper control of immigration or by birth control. However, we have yet to see a Government with the backbone to do anything about this.
As someone has already mentioned, we are a small island and have finite space. Also, it does not matter how many homes are built to accommodate the growing population, or where they are built, if country does not have the infrastructure to support them. This country's infrastructure already struggles to support the population and homes we already have without adding to it.[/p][/quote]Sorry wrong article.
Condolences to the mens's families.emcee

emcee wrote…

We have two choices in this country:
1. Keep our green spaces and turn out cities/towns into high-rise nightmares like some asian cities, with shoebox accomodation (with ultra high accommodation prices/rents) and massive traffic congestion.
2. Lose our green spaces altogether.

There is a third choice. It's called population control, whether it be proper control of immigration or by birth control. However, we have yet to see a Government with the backbone to do anything about this.
As someone has already mentioned, we are a small island and have finite space. Also, it does not matter how many homes are built to accommodate the growing population, or where they are built, if country does not have the infrastructure to support them. This country's infrastructure already struggles to support the population and homes we already have without adding to it.

Sorry wrong article.

Condolences to the mens's families.

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[deleted]
3:21pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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[quote][p][bold]Kin Gandy[/bold] wrote:
It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.[/p][/quote]Once again, this is not me.
I would not post something disrespectful on such a story. This is the work, again, of the Echo website's resident nutter,
Please make sure you read the usernames properly. I am Kim Gandy. Not Kin nor any other similar looking name. I do not use punctuation either. So the other postings under Kim,Gandy and Kim;Gandy are also not me.
What a disrespectful, horrible person to post such a comment.
RIP these two gentlemen. And condolences to their families.Kim Gandy

Kin Gandy wrote…

It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.

Once again, this is not me.

I would not post something disrespectful on such a story. This is the work, again, of the Echo website's resident nutter,

Please make sure you read the usernames properly. I am Kim Gandy. Not Kin nor any other similar looking name. I do not use punctuation either. So the other postings under Kim,Gandy and Kim;Gandy are also not me.

What a disrespectful, horrible person to post such a comment.

RIP these two gentlemen. And condolences to their families.

Score: -1

[deleted]
4:32pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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[quote][p][bold]Kin Gandy[/bold] wrote:
It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.[/p][/quote]Why? Surely when you are on an airfield you are entitled to do what you feel it s right and acrobats are allowed assuming the air space is free!runwellian

Kin Gandy wrote…

It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.

Why? Surely when you are on an airfield you are entitled to do what you feel it s right and acrobats are allowed assuming the air space is free!

Score: -1

[deleted]
4:46pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kin Gandy[/bold] wrote:
It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.[/p][/quote]Once again, this is not me.
I would not post something disrespectful on such a story. This is the work, again, of the Echo website's resident nutter,
Please make sure you read the usernames properly. I am Kim Gandy. Not Kin nor any other similar looking name. I do not use punctuation either. So the other postings under Kim,Gandy and Kim;Gandy are also not me.
What a disrespectful, horrible person to post such a comment.
RIP these two gentlemen. And condolences to their families.[/p][/quote]It's not me Miss, it's not him Sir, who could it be ? I know its no one because the person I thought it was isn't here, they are there....carnmountyouknowitmakessense

Kim Gandy wrote…

Kin Gandy wrote…

It's been noted, in the serious press, the plane had been doing some aerobatics, if this is the case, then there are some serious questions, to be answered, by North Weald.

Once again, this is not me.

I would not post something disrespectful on such a story. This is the work, again, of the Echo website's resident nutter,

Please make sure you read the usernames properly. I am Kim Gandy. Not Kin nor any other similar looking name. I do not use punctuation either. So the other postings under Kim,Gandy and Kim;Gandy are also not me.

What a disrespectful, horrible person to post such a comment.

RIP these two gentlemen. And condolences to their families.

It's not me Miss, it's not him Sir, who could it be ? I know its no one because the person I thought it was isn't here, they are there....

Score: 1

[deleted]
4:59pm Sun 30 Mar 14

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[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.[/p][/quote]Many aircraft, as with age, become problematic, when flown in an aerobatic mode, furthermore aerobatics can only be carried out above unpopulated and approved airspace, I sincerley hope this pair didn't think they had a right to show off, near a pub, doing loop de loops, which would account for the popping sounds, heard just prior to the crash, as this sound is referred to as spluttering, in my aviation circles, as the carburretors are starved of fuel, due to the negative forces, created by such manouvares.Kin Gandy

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

Many aircraft, as with age, become problematic, when flown in an aerobatic mode, furthermore aerobatics can only be carried out above unpopulated and approved airspace, I sincerley hope this pair didn't think they had a right to show off, near a pub, doing loop de loops, which would account for the popping sounds, heard just prior to the crash, as this sound is referred to as spluttering, in my aviation circles, as the carburretors are starved of fuel, due to the negative forces, created by such manouvares.

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thispaperistrash
5:41pm Sun 30 Mar 14

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.[/p][/quote]"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!thispaperistrash

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

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Living the La Vida Legra
5:47pm Sun 30 Mar 14

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

Don't ask The Echo to be more vague

[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.[/p][/quote]Don't ask The Echo to be more vagueLiving the La Vida Legra

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

Don't ask The Echo to be more vague

Score: 2

tophat27dt
9:34pm Sun 30 Mar 14

thispaperistrash wrote…

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,

[quote][p][bold]thispaperistrash[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.[/p][/quote]"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!![/p][/quote]I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,tophat27dt

thispaperistrash wrote…

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,

Score: -4

DogsMessInLeigh
9:38pm Sun 30 Mar 14

tophat27dt wrote…

thispaperistrash wrote…

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,

confused dot com

[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thispaperistrash[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tophat27dt[/bold] wrote:
The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.[/p][/quote]"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!![/p][/quote]I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,[/p][/quote]confused dot comDogsMessInLeigh

tophat27dt wrote…

thispaperistrash wrote…

tophat27dt wrote…

The YAK52 is a fully aerobatic 2-seater aeroplane.
The question is at what height they were being carried out, if the pilot lost control, or if the engine failed whilst manoevring. I don't see what it's got to do the the airfield at North Weald.

"The plane had earlier taken off from the nearby North Weald airfield"
Doh!!!!

I know he had taken off from North Weald, but they have no ATC there, so I wondered why should anybody after the accident well clear of their airport, should we contact North Weald as to whether he was doing aerobatics...it's not North Weealds problem..he was clear of their circuit.,

confused dot com

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carnmountyouknowitmakessense
9:42pm Sun 30 Mar 14

So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.

So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.carnmountyouknowitmakessense

So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.

Score: -1

DogsMessInLeigh
9:52pm Sun 30 Mar 14

"The Yakovlev Yak 52 is a Soviet aircraft which was first produced in the late 1970s and is still used for training both civilian aerobatics pilots and military pilots".

"The Yakovlev Yak 52 is a Soviet aircraft which was first produced in the late 1970s and is still used for training both civilian aerobatics pilots and military pilots".DogsMessInLeigh

"The Yakovlev Yak 52 is a Soviet aircraft which was first produced in the late 1970s and is still used for training both civilian aerobatics pilots and military pilots".

Score: 2

DogsMessInLeigh
10:25pm Sun 30 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense wrote…

So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.

they have to practise somewhere, probably thats why it was over fields, a similar one occurred a few years back

[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.[/p][/quote]they have to practise somewhere, probably thats why it was over fields, a similar one occurred a few years backDogsMessInLeigh

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense wrote…

So it appears they on board, were performing stunts, if aerobatics was the cause, it opens up a real can of worms, as for such flying high jinks, needs Civil Aviation authority, which obviously was lacking here, a witness stated he saw the plane attempting a somersault , which if true, means those within the aircraft were acting in an improper manner, thank God they didn't crash onto houses.

they have to practise somewhere, probably thats why it was over fields, a similar one occurred a few years back

Score: 2

Letmetryagain
10:50pm Sun 30 Mar 14

This particular aircraft, G-YAKR was built in 1989. A lot younger than many of light aircraft currently flying. They are built specifically for aerobatics, having a high thrust to weight ratio.

The people at N.Weald would be interested to know that they don't have
ATC facilities. So would Stanstead for that matter !!

Aerobatics are usually performed in designated areas, and doesn't need any special permission. As long as ATC are informed as to what levels
the aircraft will be operating at.

This particular aircraft, G-YAKR was built in 1989. A lot younger than many of light aircraft currently flying. They are built specifically for aerobatics, having a high thrust to weight ratio.
The people at N.Weald would be interested to know that they don't have
ATC facilities. So would Stanstead for that matter !!
Aerobatics are usually performed in designated areas, and doesn't need any special permission. As long as ATC are informed as to what levels
the aircraft will be operating at.Letmetryagain

This particular aircraft, G-YAKR was built in 1989. A lot younger than many of light aircraft currently flying. They are built specifically for aerobatics, having a high thrust to weight ratio.

The people at N.Weald would be interested to know that they don't have
ATC facilities. So would Stanstead for that matter !!

Aerobatics are usually performed in designated areas, and doesn't need any special permission. As long as ATC are informed as to what levels
the aircraft will be operating at.

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