Pacov's LoL page for folks that play or played Demigod and now play LoL (also)

Feel free to jump in and discuss lol even if you aren't Demigod alumni

So, during the (12 day or so) downtime with the MP servers, I decided to give LoL another go and have been enjoying myself. I'm glad DG is back up and running, but the break was enough for me to try another competitive DoTa style game and start to enjoy it. This thread isn't about bashing DG or any nonsense (so don't ffs). Its simply a place for those of us that play or have played DG and now play LoL as a main or occasionally to discuss the game and keep in touch.

So - chime in here if you have been playing LoL with your experiences or whatever you want to chat about.

I'll get us started. I've been enjoying the F2P aspect of LoL quite a bit. Remember WAAAAYYYY back when favor points in DG meant something? Eg - remember playing games and looking forward to unlocking a favor item you wanted to try out? It's like that all the time with LoL (well, it will be for quite some time anyway). You get IP (favor points) for every game you play. You can shell out some money if you really want to buy all of the characters, etc (the temptation is always there for the quick win), but you can also just play for fun and earn enough IP to unlock a new char, etc. It's been very satisfying for me slowly earn enough IP to try out a new character, etc.

As it stands, I'm ok with 3 characters (card guy, silv, and viking pants - there are so many char it takes awhile to learn all the names). I'm ok early, decent mid game, and utter SHITE late game with my characters. It seems very diff from DG in that respect (if we are kicking ass early/mid, you can't harass like a god late game - that's gotten me killed more than a few times). There are ALOT of reasonable builds (from what I can tell). I started by trying out many diff char vs ai to learn them (that's why I'm like level 12 with "13 wins" or so). Then I learned you get more IP from playing against humans, so I just switched up.

Anyway, I think the game is fun now and I'm looking forward to the new domination mode (it's a Demigod knock off imo) that is essentially holding points to get bonuses from what I understand. Hearing about that mode is pretty much exactly why I started playing. Oh, and pretty damn close to 100% of games end because another team beat you - not because someone dropped.

Anyway, I'm going thru a learning curve. I play with folks that are "experienced" and I often think they are retarded after my impressive 40 games or so (vs their 500+ games). The strats often sound idiotic to me. But that said, I fell into line in a game with jon, paint, obi, and 2 of jon's clan mates tonight and we scored a win when i thought we were done. My biggest weakness (I think anyway) is not knowing what folks can do with their characters... I think there are like 70 char... as a new player, you have NO IDEA what each char can do until you play them or play against them enough... and that will take some time. Anyway, I'm pacov on LoL if you play and want to add me as a friend. I'm not exactly good, but I probably won't lose you the game at this point. We should organize some LoL games and some DG games. Thanks for reading and I hope to hear from you.

Oh I completely agree here, too. There are only a few things I find more annoying when the score is like 18 to 17 kills at the 20 minute mark and some shite calls for a surrender. I'm more talking about the scenario where someone on my team has 10 deaths and 0 kills at the 20 min mark and the score is like 30 to 1 kills... That's the type of scenario where I'd much rather throw in the towel than hope my feeding pal learns to stop dying.

Thanks for the tip, shiro. I checked out solomid. I really like the polish that's gone into the sites I've seen (mouse over items and you can see how much they cost and how to make, etc).

Fun thing I learned recently (that everyone but me probably knew) - you know how you see the "ingredient items" for whatever main item you want to buy? Well, let's say you have 4 out of your 5 slots used. I typically buy the items I need 1 by 1. Which means that at this point in the game (where I have 4 full slots and only 1 open), you can't build large items (as they appear to require like 3 slots or whatever). Well, apparently all you have to do is click on the main item and you can buy it directly even if you only have 1 slot and it requires 3 to make. Perhaps that's completely common sense, but I didn't understand anyway. Glad I figured out that nonsense now, though, as it pretty much meant my kit would max out MUCH earlier than everyone else's in long games.

I'm a little better at amumu jungling after some practice, but still rubbish for the most part. Hit level 20 today and started buying the expensive runes, though. Pretty sure that will go a LONG way towards me jungling successfully.

Oh, and I know people bitch about demigod from time to time for this and that, but I literally had to wait 30 minutes to log in tonight. Annoying shite. It's not all roses over here.

Have you heard of elo hell? if not i'm happy for you. The main issue is, online you're playing with 4 strangers. Teamplay does not arise until very high rating, which is why a lot of games are decided fast and people want to surrender in lower rating games. Is it worth trying a comeback and playing extra 30minutes, which you will probably lose anyways than use those 30 minutes to win the next game?

Don't give me wrong I don't surrender easily, but once a battle is lost and you have poor coordination with your teammates it's healthier to surrender for your psyche and time.

true true. but at least we know people are working their asses off to make it work

well, yes - but I know people are working to fix DG anytime if has an issue (I usually get feedback pretty quick from someone at SD in the past), its just that it's not as high a priority for them to fix things (lol loses HUGE amts of potential revenue if there is an outage - demigod... not so much. So, if a server blows up for DG, I doubt someone is going to get called into the office to fix that crap over the weekend, etc. With lol, I can pretty much guarantee they have staff that is ready to resolve things (again, because large amts of money could be lost). I don't see anything wrong with that, honestly). They do get fixed, though.

Thanks for the link, zen. I'll check some of that out. I've learned a bit from guides, but mostly replays make me a better player at this point. Danke!

edit - oh, I played Alistar for my last game of the night. I've been working on my jungle amumu, but all of the team games I've played tonight had someone else wanting to jungle, so I was stuck with mundo (my default I can play well enough character). Anyway, from what I've watched, alistar can also jungle like a champ and that really makes his headbutt valuable (eg headbutting an enemy back into our team to kill), but I didn't get to give that a go either. What I did love, though, was late game being able to spam heals on our team over and over when we were working inhibitors, etc. That gave us quite a bit more staying power. Anyway, its a unique role... the tank that can heal the team. Very interesting. I'm still crap with him, but I'm starting to see the possibilities.

oh - and I've decided to start dropping my ip into runes, etc, now that I've hit 20. That will make a pretty big difference I think. I can't wait for level 30 and starting on ranked games. It's good it will take me some time to get there so I can learn (+1 lol), but I really want to start to pug at the ranked level and see how things go. Then, if i actually get good at this game (I'd rank myself a mid at this point - a step up from my previous just below a mid assessment from a week ago), then I'd like to try to form a premade team with DG folks if possible. How awesome would it be to have a DG team in lol? And if we became an elite team, that would bring notice to Demigod as well and perhaps result in money being spent on the IP for a sequel. I might be playing other games, but I still want Demigod perfected!

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 104true true. but at least we know people are working their asses off to make it work well, yes - but I know people are working to fix DG anytime if has an issue (I usually get feedback pretty quick from someone at SD in the past), its just that it's not as high a priority for them to fix things (lol loses HUGE amts of potential revenue if there is an outage - demigod... not so much. So, if a server blows up for DG, I doubt someone is going to get called into the office to fix that crap over the weekend, etc. With lol, I can pretty much guarantee they have staff that is ready to resolve things (again, because large amts of money could be lost). I don't see anything wrong with that, honestly). They do get fixed, though.

Thanks for the link, zen. I'll check some of that out. I've learned a bit from guides, but mostly replays make me a better player at this point. Danke!

edit - oh, I played Alistar for my last game of the night. I've been working on my jungle amumu, but all of the team games I've played tonight had someone else wanting to jungle, so I was stuck with mundo (my default I can play well enough character). Anyway, from what I've watched, alistar can also jungle like a champ and that really makes his headbutt valuable (eg headbutting an enemy back into our team to kill), but I didn't get to give that a go either. What I did love, though, was late game being able to spam heals on our team over and over when we were working inhibitors, etc. That gave us quite a bit more staying power. Anyway, its a unique role... the tank that can heal the team. Very interesting. I'm still crap with him, but I'm starting to see the possibilities.

oh - and I've decided to start dropping my ip into runes, etc, now that I've hit 20. That will make a pretty big difference I think. I can't wait for level 30 and starting on ranked games. It's good it will take me some time to get there so I can learn (+1 lol), but I really want to start to pug at the ranked level and see how things go. Then, if i actually get good at this game (I'd rank myself a mid at this point - a step up from my previous just below a mid assessment from a week ago), then I'd like to try to form a premade team with DG folks if possible. How awesome would it be to have a DG team in lol? And if we became an elite team, that would bring notice to Demigod as well and perhaps result in money being spent on the IP for a sequel. I might be playing other games, but I still want Demigod perfected!

before i read your huge post, i could endlessly write what they need to fix with demigod, bugs, multiplayer, items list goes endless...

so there is no comparison whatsoever what riot teams is doing. Their only problem is that they have such a huge player base, imagine! i want that problem in demigod!

Hey I just found this post. I will say playing LoL just got a lot better I think now that I can get some games in with all you guys. I am sad to hear about the death of DG so to speak, but then i could not play it anyway. Still that game hold a special place in my heart. Man I miss DA.

Anyway, Pacov I can't tell you how happy I am to see you and Zen, Peter, Rawr, Thunder (when you get it up) and anyone else that comes over from DG playing. Those crappy graphics and server based play allow me to be able to smoothly game will 10 people from the US so im happy with them for now. Though i don't have a problem with SC2 so meh. I suck at SC2 don't ask

Good choice on Amumu. From what I have seen he is a pretty standard play at high levels. Also everyone from DG seems to want to play AP damage characters.

I would dissagree with Zen a little on the top characters though I think his AD carries are spot on. I would add Ramos in there instead of Jarvin. I don't think Jarvin is a true tank, but he is good.

On AP however I would go - Karthus, Leblanc (just cause she nukes soo hard), Swain, and Malz. Vieger is the best AP if there is another pure AP on the field.

Pacov, getting a high end team(s) from the DG players would be awesome.

Hey I just found this post. I will say playing LoL just got a lot better I think now that I can get some games in with all you guys. I am sad to hear about the death of DG so to speak, but then i could not play it anyway. Still that game hold a special place in my heart. Man I miss DA.

well there are still games going on every day. Just high lvl play died out completely

So - sometimes I hate playing with folks I know. Or so I thought before i started pugging some tonight. The pro of playing folks you know is understanding what you are going to get going in. Who's good with who, do they jungle, etc. The downside is that you can't always take a role you want with folks u know (if you want to win, that is). Also, if you are lower leveled than your pals, then you are in for a more challenging match when you get put up against a bunch of level 30s.

Then if you pug, you have no idea what you'll get, but you know it will be somewhat reasonably matched (eg no level 30s will magically appear in my level 20 game). The downside is that many pugs are just stupid, even at level 20. I'm fair with most characters and decent with others. I played like 3 pug games in a row that were lost by level 20 players just making dumb decisions and people following them, making equally dumb decisions. One game I had clairvoyance as a roaming alistar and my level 20 teammates were awestricken, trying to figure out how they could see different spots of the map randomly... literally my entire team did not know what clairvoyance was. Furthermore, they didn't understand what do to if I'd flash that skill near them, show them the abush, and then ping for them to get the fug out.

That said, the previous night, apparently any of my pug games where grouped with the good folks, because it was completely the opposite. Just goes to show that its unfortunately random at times. So, its also a strong arguement for playing with folks you know.

Oh - and I am really starting to understand the value of wards. My roaming alistar buys alot of them to reasonable effect. My team was getting its arse handed to it. I figured the next big battle would be in the jungle near our left inhib, so I dropped 5 wards at all of the spots. My team then proceeded to gank (if I hadn't dropped 5 wards, I can guarantee the whole damn team would have gotten killed). But that said, it always feels like money I shouldn't spend when I buy them and I'm lower leveled, but it makes such a huge difference.

Also, I really hate the dmg output of my roaming alistar - its really great for ganks and counter jungling, but literally every game I pugged tonight did not have a jungler on either team. smeh.

edit - also, I think I need to be a bit more patient. The Demigod lobbies always meant a long wait towards the end there. With a pug in lol, I can be up and running in like 10 seconds. We tried organizing an in house 5v5 and I just started getting pissy when it took 10-15 min to get going. pacov needs more patience.

dr mundo - I play him a bit tankish and even started customizing my item build and found a mix that works much better than any guide I've read

amumu - I've been working on jungling with him and I've come up with a route that seems to work well and invades the enemy territory as well. What I'm not good at is coming out for ganks early - kind of a huge component of jungling.

alistar - I've been playing a roaming alistar with clairvoyance. Very weak early as I dont spend a huge amount of time laning in any one spot, but excellent support with wards and clairvoyance and great lane harassment. This build would work better on a solid team methinks, but does ok in pugs. I can very consistently sneak up on players and initiate a kill attempt by pushing the enemy back into our team, I found that the crappy pugs I've been in don't have enough damage available to get kills out of it.

Ive seen teams consisting of 3+ Carries. And unless your lucky to get a solid level head team your SOL.

I usually play the tank role b/c no one else will....There no chance for me to tank 3+ players hitting me for 400-1000 critical damage every second. I hate Critical...I sure wish there was a cap for it. Its not fun to fight a Xin with 4 Phantom Dancers.

yeah - I'm sure that has a bit to do with it. From what I've read, most of the ranked games (or probably just level 30 games) always have a jungler and some sort of logical composition. Most if not all of the games I get into as a pug do not have one, so perhaps I'll get back to focussing on that and working more on my amumu. That doesn't really work when I play with most of my pals, though, as one of them almost always wants to jungle. Ah well.

played many fun games tonights. Pugged 1 game and tore crap up as alistar. Played really well as alistar in a few games with friends... played terribly in our last game though. I love having clairvoyance in my build, but i hate not having ghost or a decent snare. I actually did have a few pro kills though (flash, headbutt to team, stun). Anyway, getting better with alistar. And I'm up to 9 armor now pre game thanks to level 20 runes. That goes a long way towards helping me out if I make a mistake. ugh though... our last game was just cluster f after cluster f.

Support for Demigod nowadays consists entirely of moving this thread out of the forum? Oh well...

I was listening in on Vent Pacov, and it sounded like you weren't loving getting ganked... but don't worry, Big Daddy Thundercles is practicing up with Shen and is gonna be there to save your ass and help assist you in your future gankery endeavors.

So my stable of heroes is up to:

-Khassadin

-Shen

-Some lame ass support bitch who was on sale for cheap with a unicorn horn who will always be known as "Not Sedna"

Who else should I be looking to pick up? Got support, carry/mage, tank/support/jungler... guess I should be looking for a good lane pusher next?

Support for Demigod nowadays consists entirely of moving this thread out of the forum? Oh well...

heh - hey - I moved this thread as I don't really want to detract from Demigod (and folks that hang about in the pc gaming forum can chime in as well. )

re: characters - yeah, I'm not sure. I think you'll need to take some time to learn how to jungle. Its not as simple as just wandering in there and killing some creeps. There are suggested routes, counter jungling, when to come out and gank, etc. The big benefit to jungling is that one person in a lane gets extra exp while you level at roughly the same rate - and the added bonus of the other team not knowing where you are, giving you an edge on ganks if there are no wards, etc.

re: "not sedna" - sorka - I've heard guys in game complaining that she's been ruined by the last patch - and others complaining that she is OP. I have no idea as I've only used her a couple times (and I'm not a huge fan of the required playstyle).