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Whe don't know if the sand is Doton based. We only know that he could use Fuuton tecniques. But he was already turning to Shukako so maybe it was Shukako's affinity and not his, since Shukako uses wind based attacks !

ナルト「くっそォ」
Naruto: "Crap!"
イノ 「かっこつけるだけつけといて・・ナルトらしいったら
ナルトらしいけど」
Ino:"He looked really good until then... but I guess this is Naruto acting like Naruto himself.
チョージ「螺旋手裏剣っていうからピューって飛ばすのかと
思ったら・・走ってぶつけないとダメなの？」
Chouji: "I thought he said RasenShuriken, so I thought he would fly it at him, but you have to run and hit him with it?"
ナルト 「何だよ！当たればスゲーんだぞ！」
Naruto:" Hey! It's amazing if it hits!"

新術はゼロ距離で相手にぶつけないとだめ。そのため陽動が基本
The new technique has to be executed at point blank, therefore a diversion is absolutely necessary.
おまけに発動持続時間はもって数秒である
On top of that, it takes a few seconds to get the technique started.

角都（あの術近づかなければ大丈夫だな。接近戦を避け術を持つ
オリジナルに注意を払っていればさほど怖くはない）
Kakuzu (as long as I don't get close to that technique I should be fine. And as long as I avoid close range battle and keep an eye on the original that creates that technique, it's not too scary.)

ナルト「もう一度オレにやらせてくれってばよ」
Naruto: "Let me try it again one more time."
カカシ「・・・」
Kakashi:"..."
ナルト「新術で決めてやる」
Naruto: "I'll do this with the new technique."

角都 （さて・・どう来る？）
Kakuzu: "now... what are they going to do?)
ナルト「カカシ先生」「修行中にオレに言ったこと覚えてるか？」
Naruto: "Kakashi-sensei, do you remember what you said to me during our training?"
カカシ「？」
Kakashi:"?"
ナルト「四代目火影を超える忍はお前しかいないと信じてるって」
「確かにチームワークは大切だ。それは分かってる」
「でも今オレは危ない橋を一人で渡りたいんだってばよ」
Naruto:"You told me that you believe that I'm the only shinobi that can surpass the 4th Hokage. Teamwork is very important, I know. But right now, I want to try to cross that dangerous bridge on my own"

「向こうへたどりつけなきゃオレはいつまでたっても
ガキのままだ」
（カカシ考えている）
Naruto:"If I don't get to the other side, I'll always be the same kid"
(Kakashi thinking)
「その橋を外すようなことはしないでくれ」
"PLease don't do anything to push that bridge aside."
（回想でサスケのアップ）
(Flashback and Sasuke's face appears)

カカシ「・・・・・・」
「フッ・・ヤマトお前はどうだ？」
Kakashi:"..."
"Hm... Yamato, what about it?"
ヤマト「ええ・・だって見てないですよね」
「以前のナルトとは別人だってところ」
Yamato:"Yeah... you haven't seen it yet right -
that Naruto is a completely different individual than before"
カカシ「・・決まりだな」
Kakashi:"then it's decided"

So what then is your definition of genius? I think Naruto is a genius... He seem that have accomplished a lot more than any of his peers in regards to power.... except for maybe Sauske but it is too early to say since we haven't really seen Sauske's real powers and we haven't completely seen the changes in Naruto.

Well, as it has been stated, the definition of genius is vague in this serie.

For me, a genius is something with a lot of inborn talent. It doesn't reflect the strenght of the opponent. Somone who has to work his way to become Genin is not a genius. I don't consider Sasuke, Neji or Lee as geniuses as geniuses because they spent years to reach their levels. Less is even the antithesis of my definition. As opposite, Kakashi was super badass very young (chuunin at 6), but his growth is far from spectacular (there is not much difference between the Kakashi of chapter one and the one of Kakashi Gaiden)
So, in my book :
Kakashi, Itachi and the sannins (all graduated early IIRC) and Shikamaru (obviously born with his brain, could probably have graduated earlier if this wasn't so "troublesome").
Sasuke, Neji, Lee, Naruto, Sandaime (on that picture, he looked like he was at least 13-14 years old and Nidaime was still patting him) = not geniuses. But they are all among the strongest characters of their age class, if not the strongest. So for me genius <> strong (except for kids obviously)

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Since Gaara has sand which is a type of Earth. I will go with Water.
Which make sense since Wind > Lighting and Water > Fire.

That would give Naruto too much of an advantage over Sasuke. (it's fine currently. Sasuke has 2 elements, one weak and one strong against Naruto's Wind). I think Kishimoto will try to make them the most even possible till the end of the manga. If Naruto learns another element, I think it would be something not affecting sasuke. I think the next training session will be with Jiraiya (since the last ones were with Yamato and Kakashi) and Jiraiya's favorite element is fire. (even if that swamp thingie he did against Orochimaru's snakes was probably Earth). Also Naruto has to become able to use the frogs' oil.

ナルト「くっそォ」
Naruto: "Crap!"
イノ 「かっこつけるだけつけといて・・ナルトらしいったら
ナルトらしいけど」
Ino:"He looked really good until then... but I guess this is Naruto acting like Naruto himself.
チョージ「螺旋手裏剣っていうからピューって飛ばすのかと
思ったら・・走ってぶつけないとダメなの？」
Chouji: "I thought he said RasenShuriken, so I thought he would fly it at him, but you have to run and hit him with it?"
ナルト 「何だよ！当たればスゲーんだぞ！」
Naruto:" Hey! It's amazing if it hits!"

新術はゼロ距離で相手にぶつけないとだめ。そのため陽動が基本
The new technique has to be executed at point blank, therefore a diversion is absolutely necessary.
おまけに発動持続時間はもって数秒である
On top of that, it takes a few seconds to get the technique started.

角都（あの術近づかなければ大丈夫だな。接近戦を避け術を持つ
オリジナルに注意を払っていればさほど怖くはない）
Kakuzu (as long as I don't get close to that technique I should be fine. And as long as I avoid close range battle and keep an eye on the original that creates that technique, it's not too scary.)

ナルト「もう一度オレにやらせてくれってばよ」
Naruto: "Let me try it again one more time."
カカシ「・・・」
Kakashi:"..."
ナルト「新術で決めてやる」
Naruto: "I'll do this with the new technique."

角都 （さて・・どう来る？）
Kakuzu: "now... what are they going to do?)
ナルト「カカシ先生」「修行中にオレに言ったこと覚えてるか？」
Naruto: "Kakashi-sensei, do you remember what you said to me during our training?"
カカシ「？」
Kakashi:"?"
ナルト「四代目火影を超える忍はお前しかいないと信じてるって」
「確かにチームワークは大切だ。それは分かってる」
「でも今オレは危ない橋を一人で渡りたいんだってばよ」
Naruto:"You told me that you believe that I'm the only shinobi that can surpass the 4th Hokage. Teamwork is very important, I know. But right now, I want to try to cross that dangerous bridge on my own"

「向こうへたどりつけなきゃオレはいつまでたっても
ガキのままだ」
（カカシ考えている）
Naruto:"If I don't get to the other side, I'll always be the same kid"
(Kakashi thinking)
「その橋を外すようなことはしないでくれ」
"PLease don't do anything to push that bridge aside."
（回想でサスケのアップ）
(Flashback and Sasuke's face appears)

カカシ「・・・・・・」
「フッ・・ヤマトお前はどうだ？」
Kakashi:"..."
"Hm... Yamato, what about it?"
ヤマト「ええ・・だって見てないですよね」
「以前のナルトとは別人だってところ」
Yamato:"Yeah... you haven't seen it yet right -
that Naruto is a completely different individual than before"
カカシ「・・決まりだな」
Kakashi:"then it's decided"

ナルト「くっそォ」
Naruto: "Crap!"
イノ 「かっこつけるだけつけといて・・ナルトらしいったら
ナルトらしいけど」
Ino:"He looked really good until then... but I guess this is Naruto acting like Naruto himself.
チョージ「螺旋手裏剣っていうからピューって飛ばすのかと
思ったら・・走ってぶつけないとダメなの？」
Chouji: "I thought he said RasenShuriken, so I thought he would fly it at him, but you have to run and hit him with it?"
ナルト 「何だよ！当たればスゲーんだぞ！」
Naruto:" Hey! It's amazing if it hits!"

新術はゼロ距離で相手にぶつけないとだめ。そのため陽動が基本
The new technique has to be executed at point blank, therefore a diversion is absolutely necessary.
おまけに発動持続時間はもって数秒である
On top of that, it takes a few seconds to get the technique started.

角都（あの術近づかなければ大丈夫だな。接近戦を避け術を持つ
オリジナルに注意を払っていればさほど怖くはない）
Kakuzu (as long as I don't get close to that technique I should be fine. And as long as I avoid close range battle and keep an eye on the original that creates that technique, it's not too scary.)

ナルト「もう一度オレにやらせてくれってばよ」
Naruto: "Let me try it again one more time."
カカシ「・・・」
Kakashi:"..."
ナルト「新術で決めてやる」
Naruto: "I'll do this with the new technique."

角都 （さて・・どう来る？）
Kakuzu: "now... what are they going to do?)
ナルト「カカシ先生」「修行中にオレに言ったこと覚えてるか？」
Naruto: "Kakashi-sensei, do you remember what you said to me during our training?"
カカシ「？」
Kakashi:"?"
ナルト「四代目火影を超える忍はお前しかいないと信じてるって」
「確かにチームワークは大切だ。それは分かってる」
「でも今オレは危ない橋を一人で渡りたいんだってばよ」
Naruto:"You told me that you believe that I'm the only shinobi that can surpass the 4th Hokage. Teamwork is very important, I know. But right now, I want to try to cross that dangerous bridge on my own"

「向こうへたどりつけなきゃオレはいつまでたっても
ガキのままだ」
（カカシ考えている）
Naruto:"If I don't get to the other side, I'll always be the same kid"
(Kakashi thinking)
「その橋を外すようなことはしないでくれ」
"PLease don't do anything to push that bridge aside."
（回想でサスケのアップ）
(Flashback and Sasuke's face appears)

カカシ「・・・・・・」
「フッ・・ヤマトお前はどうだ？」
Kakashi:"..."
"Hm... Yamato, what about it?"
ヤマト「ええ・・だって見てないですよね」
「以前のナルトとは別人だってところ」
Yamato:"Yeah... you haven't seen it yet right -
that Naruto is a completely different individual than before"
カカシ「・・決まりだな」
Kakashi:"then it's decided"

dont know if its true though...

Spoiler for manga chapter 340:

-You know if this turns out to be true then I'll be the first to yell out "BOOOOOOOOOOO". Seriously, that would be a horrible way to showcase the tension and anticipation of the fans that want to see the true power of Naruto's new jutsu. I predict massive letter bombs and death threats if this chapter turns out to be authentic. Seriously if this is Kishimoto's idea of proving to the audience that Naruto is a capable ninja in his own right then he is definetly doing a poor job of it. But I suppose, on some level at least, that this kind of thing would be necessary to extend the fight a bit longer...

ナルト「くっそォ」
Naruto: "Crap!"
イノ 「かっこつけるだけつけといて・・ナルトらしいったら
ナルトらしいけど」
Ino:"He looked really good until then... but I guess this is Naruto acting like Naruto himself.
チョージ「螺旋手裏剣っていうからピューって飛ばすのかと
思ったら・・走ってぶつけないとダメなの？」
Chouji: "I thought he said RasenShuriken, so I thought he would fly it at him, but you have to run and hit him with it?"
ナルト 「何だよ！当たればスゲーんだぞ！」
Naruto:" Hey! It's amazing if it hits!"

新術はゼロ距離で相手にぶつけないとだめ。そのため陽動が基本
The new technique has to be executed at point blank, therefore a diversion is absolutely necessary.
おまけに発動持続時間はもって数秒である
On top of that, it takes a few seconds to get the technique started.

角都（あの術近づかなければ大丈夫だな。接近戦を避け術を持つ
オリジナルに注意を払っていればさほど怖くはない）
Kakuzu (as long as I don't get close to that technique I should be fine. And as long as I avoid close range battle and keep an eye on the original that creates that technique, it's not too scary.)

ナルト「もう一度オレにやらせてくれってばよ」
Naruto: "Let me try it again one more time."
カカシ「・・・」
Kakashi:"..."
ナルト「新術で決めてやる」
Naruto: "I'll do this with the new technique."

角都 （さて・・どう来る？）
Kakuzu: "now... what are they going to do?)
ナルト「カカシ先生」「修行中にオレに言ったこと覚えてるか？」
Naruto: "Kakashi-sensei, do you remember what you said to me during our training?"
カカシ「？」
Kakashi:"?"
ナルト「四代目火影を超える忍はお前しかいないと信じてるって」
「確かにチームワークは大切だ。それは分かってる」
「でも今オレは危ない橋を一人で渡りたいんだってばよ」
Naruto:"You told me that you believe that I'm the only shinobi that can surpass the 4th Hokage. Teamwork is very important, I know. But right now, I want to try to cross that dangerous bridge on my own"

「向こうへたどりつけなきゃオレはいつまでたっても
ガキのままだ」
（カカシ考えている）
Naruto:"If I don't get to the other side, I'll always be the same kid"
(Kakashi thinking)
「その橋を外すようなことはしないでくれ」
"PLease don't do anything to push that bridge aside."
（回想でサスケのアップ）
(Flashback and Sasuke's face appears)

カカシ「・・・・・・」
「フッ・・ヤマトお前はどうだ？」
Kakashi:"..."
"Hm... Yamato, what about it?"
ヤマト「ええ・・だって見てないですよね」
「以前のナルトとは別人だってところ」
Yamato:"Yeah... you haven't seen it yet right -
that Naruto is a completely different individual than before"
カカシ「・・決まりだな」
Kakashi:"then it's decided"

dont know if its true though...

Spoiler:

Lol, lets cross fingers and hope that ain't the real script. Because if it is, then Kishimoto is really frustrating the fans. Some people might like that script but for many of us, we feel frustrated. Because last week's chapter showed Naruto stepping up to his enemy like a man saying "Leave him to me" along with the comment from Yamato. Naruto revealed his half-complete-ultimate jutsu. We were all like "Damn, lol. Hell yeah, its time to see Naruto's potential". So if this script really is true. 1 long week after the anticipated chapter 339, instead of showing the fans something like Naruto taking out 1 heart or 2. We get to see Naruto fails, then at the end of the chapter he stood up and ask everyone to step out. After that, we have to wait another long ass week . I mean, Naruto is well known for its long-dragging fight. But damn, when the manga reach a certain climax like the current situation. It's just too frustrating to see the fight drags (especially this one). Overall, if this script is REALLY true. Then I'ma stopped looking at spoilers for 5-6 weeks. Then after that I can search and download all the chapters at once without the frustration XD.

That's too lame to be true. How in the hell would Kakuzu run away from Yamato, no chance. Kakuzu has already demonstrated that Kakashi, Yamato or any other from the group have no chance against him, except Naruto of course. Actually Kakuzu would probably be very interested in Yamato's heart too when he sees his bloodline jutsu. There's another possibility connecting to Naruto and Yamato, but i hope that's not true: if Kakuzu got the heart of the 1st hokage, then he can suppress Naruto's kyuubi powers and simply win, and also he would outpower Yamato's wood jutsu with his own wood/forest jutsu.

hehe that's funny... On a more serious note, maybe this is Kishimoto's ways of reminding us that Naruto is the #1 unpredictable ninja? Providing a little bit of comedy since it's been so serious? I don't think it's funny though since I've been waiting to see what changed in Naruto!

It would logical that he was a genius but....i havent seen anyone else who is dumber then Naruto ...so it's easy to claim that everyone else is smarter/brighter then Naruto

I wouldn't say Naruto is dumb... He has proven himself to be a lot smarter than what the show portrays him to be! He has helped and inspired a lot of people and has powerful jutsus that even surpasses Kakashi and the 4th.

I wouldn't say Naruto is dumb... He has proven himself to be a lot smarter than what the show portrays him to be! He has helped and inspired a lot of people and has powerful jutsus that even surpasses Kakashi and the 4th.

-I don't think Mr. Johnny 5 was referring to that. I think he was referring to Naruto's lack of common sense and his inability to understand the basics clearly immedietly, which is what everyone else in the series is capable of doing. Then again Naruto has never been the type to go about his progress in the conventional sense to begin with.

I would be very surprised if Naruto beats Kakazu on his own without any assistance or interferance. Up to this point, Kakazu was holding on his own against multiple ninjas and it can be argued that he was on the verge of winning the fight. It wasn't like the case of Hidan at all.

This would also change the plot since pretty much Naruto would be at Akatsuki level which I think is too soon considering his jutsu isn't even completed yet.

My predictions is he may take out 1 of Kakazu hearts; maybe even 2 and then proceed to get majorly owned by Kakazu unless everyone there jumps in.

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I wouldn't say Naruto is dumb... He has proven himself to be a lot smarter than what the show portrays him to be! He has helped and inspired a lot of people and has powerful jutsus that even surpasses Kakashi and the 4th.

You can have high charisma and still be dumb. Helping and inspiring people isn't really an indication of strength. Also for the last sentence, I would be careful of the wording. Both Kakashi and the 4th have jutsus (the MS and the Death God summon respectively) that can in theory even deal with Kyuubi one way or the other.

Back to the topic though, Naruto has alot of 'street smarts' although he does has that clumsy side of him.

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I would be very surprised if Naruto beats Kakazu on his own without any assistance or interferance. Up to this point, Kakazu was holding on his own against multiple ninjas and it can be argued that he was on the verge of winning the fight. It wasn't like the case of Hidan at all.

This would also change the plot since pretty much Naruto would be at Akatsuki level which I think is too soon considering his jutsu isn't even completed yet.

My predictions is he may take out 1 of Kakazu hearts; maybe even 2 and then proceed to get majorly owned by Kakazu unless everyone there jumps in.

Well, I wouldn't say that Kakuzu was fighting at his full potential since 2 of the masks were already destroyed. Also, I am sure that there are huge differences in power between Akatsuki members and Hidan and Kakuzu were the weaker ones. I mean, would you say Shikamaru is at Akatsuki level for beating Hidan by himself? I think Hidan is an exemption and so is Kakuzu. 1 on 1, I would think Kakashi would beat Kakuzu.

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Originally Posted by astayanax

You can have high charisma and still be dumb. Helping and inspiring people isn't really an indication of strength. Also for the last sentence, I would be careful of the wording. Both Kakashi and the 4th have jutsus (the MS and the Death God summon respectively) that can in theory even deal with Kyuubi one way or the other.

Back to the topic though, Naruto has alot of 'street smarts' although he does has that clumsy side of him.

Well, I wouldn't say that Kakuzu was fighting at his full potential since 2 of the masks were already destroyed. Also, I am sure that there are huge differences in power between Akatsuki members and Hidan and Kakuzu were the weaker ones. I mean, would you say Shikamaru is at Akatsuki level for beating Hidan by himself? I think Hidan is an exemption and so is Kakuzu. 1 on 1, I would think Kakashi would beat Kakuzu.

I would say Kakuzu is pretty powerful. One on one my money is on Kakuzu.

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So would you consider Naruto a smart dumbass?

The best way to describe Naruto is that he lacks common sense and perception. His lack of common sense could and probably is a result of him being a orphen and being raise without a familiy to teach these things.

A lack of perception doesn't always equal a lack of intelligence. Once someone points out something to Naruto he usually does get it then. He really would be dumb if he can't learn when someone points out something to him.

So i suppose Smart dumbass would be a good way to describe him. He is smart and talent in some areas and dumb as a rock in others.

Well, I wouldn't say that Kakuzu was fighting at his full potential since 2 of the masks were already destroyed. Also, I am sure that there are huge differences in power between Akatsuki members and Hidan and Kakuzu were the weaker ones. I mean, would you say Shikamaru is at Akatsuki level for beating Hidan by himself? I think Hidan is an exemption and so is Kakuzu. 1 on 1, I would think Kakashi would beat Kakuzu.

Did you notice that Kakuzu much more powerful and smart than Hidan? Not only is Hidan relatively weak, but most importantly he is an arrogant and dumb guy. Probably this pair is the one where there's the largest difference in level. Also notice that Kakashi is one of the strongest ninja of Konoha, and he was able to destroy only one heart, also Kakashi was again overpowered by an akatsuki member and being saved as in the case of his fight against Itachi.

It's pointless to compare Shikamaru and Hidan, they are completely different.

In the Kakuzu vs Naruto fight i want to see the huge battle experience as a strong point for Kakuzu. He is the oldest known kage level ninja, he was fighting the 1st hokage when all the others (ninja like Chiyo, Sarutobi, Orochimaru,...) didn't even exist. Also it would be cool if his last heart was a bloodline heart, something cool like Kimimaro or the 1st hokage or the 3rd kazekage was.

Did you notice that Kakuzu much more powerful and smart than Hidan? Not only is Hidan relatively weak, but most importantly he is an arrogant and dumb guy. Probably this pair is the one where there's the largest difference in level. Also notice that Kakashi is one of the strongest ninja of Konoha, and he was able to destroy only one heart, also Kakashi was again overpowered by an akatsuki member and being saved as in the case of his fight against Itachi.

It's pointless to compare Shikamaru and Hidan, they are completely different.

In the Kakuzu vs Naruto fight i want to see the huge battle experience as a strong point for Kakuzu. He is the oldest known kage level ninja, he was fighting the 1st hokage when all the others (ninja like Chiyo, Sarutobi, Orochimaru,...) didn't even exist. Also it would be cool if his last heart was a bloodline heart, something cool like Kimimaro or the 1st hokage or the 3rd kazekage was.

Yeah I know what you mean. What I was trying to point out is, even if Naruto beats Kakuzu, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is at Akatsuki level. Also, this current battle, Kakashi had too many distractions like saving Ino and Chouji with is Raikiri instead of just avoiding the attacks. Even though Kakuzu has had an encounter with the 1st Hokage, doesn't mean he is at Kage level. Maybe the first owned him with 1 finger and was left alive.

Also in this arc, people have been dogging Kakashi but he hasn't even used his MS and his true powers. This arc was made for Shikamaru to shine and for Naruto to use his latest Jutsu. This doesn't mean Kakashi is weak.