(09-22-2017 11:28 AM)Ángel Martin Wrote: So do I, and it's all it was touted to be so far.... exceeded expectations.

So, that simply begs the question: Why are they not for sale to the general public?

I'm not privy to SM's decisions, but I'm sure they have a road-map and goals to meet. What I know is they're not in a hurry, and that's always good for the customers - not dealing with rushed products is a bliss...

It's real, the screen is perfect, the keys have excellent feel, programming with a partial list of 41CX timing functions, printing, full screen graphing capability, SUPERB I/O for backup, loading and creating text on a PC VIA USB. Also the "OFF" screen image is modifiable. My off screen is as above, NCC1701. Image created by GRS Banks.

(09-22-2017 12:34 PM)smp Wrote: So, that simply begs the question: Why are they not for sale to the general public?

I'm not privy to SM's decisions, but I'm sure they have a road-map and goals to meet. What I know is they're not in a hurry, and that's always good for the customers - not dealing with rushed products is a bliss...

(09-13-2017 04:05 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: [snip]
The biggest "con" is the lack of I/O; apart from the keyboard and display, all it has in the I/O department is a one-way infrared printer interface. No bi-directional infrared like the HP-48 series, no serial port, no HP-IL. The only way to get programs into it is typing them.

In other words it's just like the 42S, which has "Oh!" instead of I/O.

(09-13-2017 04:05 AM)Thomas Okken Wrote: [snip]
The biggest "con" is the lack of I/O; apart from the keyboard and display, all it has in the I/O department is a one-way infrared printer interface. No bi-directional infrared like the HP-48 series, no serial port, no HP-IL. The only way to get programs into it is typing them.

In other words it's just like the 42S, which has "Oh!" instead of I/O.

What is just like the 42S? What did you think I was talking about, while replying to the question "Can somebody tell me what makes the HP 42s so fantastic?"

Because HPs are usually less expensive while in production. I got my 15C LE for $89 (plus VAT and p&p, of course). How much for a compareable SwissMicros product?

Like I said before, the emulator (I own the DM15CC) is much better. Still, not everyone can justify spending a premium for a calculator.

OK, Thomas, I understand your point.

But like I said, whatever HP comes up to, I will buy. And I will buy DM 42, too.

99% of people here have much more calculators than one needs. Actually, I think in general only one calculator is needed. And people here, included me, is able to buy expensive specimens for our collection, just to the pleasure of collecting, if you know what I mean.

(09-24-2017 06:48 AM)HP67 Wrote: When are these supposed to be available? I can't wait to get one (or two!)

Michael sure does beautiful work!

SwissMicros has said they expect the DM42 to begin sales sometime in the 4th quarter of 2017, but no precise date has been set.

Indeed these are beautiful machines!

Thanks, Bob. I told Michael I'd pay for a landscape 41-something, too. Swissmicros is about the best thing that ever happened to calculators since HP. And I applaud HP for not running them out of business unlike a lot of other stuff I have seen over the years.

(09-24-2017 02:05 PM)HP67 Wrote: Thanks, Bob. I told Michael I'd pay for a landscape 41-something, too. Swissmicros is about the best thing that ever happened to calculators since HP. And I applaud HP for not running them out of business unlike a lot of other stuff I have seen over the years.

The DM41L has been available for about a year. Though I've yet to get one, most '41 aficionados report it is quite true to the original though also faster and with no I/O of course. For me, I find my hands remember '41 commands and keyboard layout at least as well as my brain, so I imagine adjusting to the landscape keyboard arrangement should be interesting.

There has also been discussion in the past of a landscape DM42L, which would obviously have to revert to the original 2-line LCD, but no formal announcement of this model has been made. An obvious must-have for all rabid Voyager fans, it will probably seem somewhat limited after using the huge screen on the DM42; but I look forward to it and hope it eventually does appear.

(09-24-2017 02:30 PM)rprosperi Wrote: The DM41L has been available for about a year. Though I've yet to get one, most '41 aficionados report it is quite true to the original though also faster and with no I/O of course. For me, I find my hands remember '41 commands and keyboard layout at least as well as my brain, so I imagine adjusting to the landscape keyboard arrangement should be interesting.

(09-24-2017 02:30 PM)rprosperi Wrote: There has also been discussion in the past of a landscape DM42L, which would obviously have to revert to the original 2-line LCD, but no formal announcement of this model has been made. An obvious must-have for all rabid Voyager fans, it will probably seem somewhat limited after using the huge screen on the DM42; but I look forward to it and hope it eventually does appear.

I think, aside from the build quality and good math perhaps what makes HP calcs HP calcs is their user interface was peerless. I really don't care to second-guess them on that. After using a variety of models I like them just the way they are. I don't have a preference for landscape or portrait, only that the clones should be the same format, because I really believe HP nailed the whole package. "Don't mess with success!"