The Converting Curmudgeon​

The European flexible-packaging field is dynamic, developing, and decisive as a resource-efficient format, according to Jan Homan, chairman of Flexible Packaging Europe. He gave his annual continent-wide update last Wednesday at the Flexible Packaging Assn. Annual Meeting in Naples, FL.

Overall, the European flex-pack market was up 2.1% to $15.8 billion in 2017. The FPE defines flexible packaging as primarily value-added materials for primary retail and non-food end-use applications. It excludes shrink and stretch films for secondary-packaging apps, carrier bags, supermarket shopping bags and self-serve counter bags. Consequently, its numbers seem lower than they should be compared to the US market, especially for a region with 28 countries and 511 million consumers.

Western Europe held a 14% market share of global production last year, up 2.0% over 2016, and Eastern Europe a 3% share, up 2.3% over 2016.

Major Western European markets including Germany, France, UK, Spain and Benelux are growing at around the regional trend; Italy is growing at around 2.5% by value, slowing slightly from 2016; Turkish demand continued to grow at least 1% above the average.

Depreciation of the Pound Sterling following Brexit is seeing more import substitution and more UK converters targeting exports to mainland Europe. Some mainland European converters are considering establishing a UK presence for production.

Above-average flexible-packaging growth by value is seen in applications such as coffee, fresh produce, chilled foods/ready meals, pet food, and pharmaceuticals. Confectionery, one of the largest categories, was broadly static in terms of value.

As for Eastern Europe, growth is picking up to around 3% in Russia, despite some international economic sanctions. Ongoing import substitution in Russia has seen production growing faster than national consumption during the year.

In Poland, the market continued to grow relatively strongly at over 4% in 2017.

Exports out of Eastern Europe keep climbing, especially begin sent into Western Europe. More converters, particularly those in Poland, are increasingly active in exports.

The top five European flex-pack makers and their regional shares last year were Amcor Flexibles (19%), Constantia Flexibles (7%), Mondi Packaging (6%), Sealed Air / Cryovac (3%), and Wipak (3%). This is basically unchanged from 2015.

CEFLEX is a collaborative project of a European consortium of companies representing the entire value chain of flexible packaging. The Project CEFLEX Vision for a circular economy states, “By 2025, there will be an established collection, sorting, and reprocessing infrastructure/economy across Europe for flexible packaging based on end-of-life technologies and processes, which deliver the best economic and environmental outcome for a circular economy.”

FPE’s key sustainability messages: 1) Flex packs are resource-efficient and support sustainable consumption and production, help prevent food waste, and also packaging waste; 2) Flex packs are more resource-efficient than alternative formats, even with its currently low recycling rates; 3) Flex packs can be recycled/recovered, and this is the case now in several countries.

My Thoughts:As a slightly more mature market than the US, European flexible packaging is still growing ata reasonable rate with pockets of above-average production and consumption. Estimates of European UnionGDP at 2.3% higher this year, and another 2% higher in 2019, only bode well for further flex-pack demand.Brexit is still likely to throw some kind of monkey wrench into the economic mix with a March 2019 deadline forthe United Kingdom to leave the EU.

What the US flex-pack industry can learn from its European cousins, with help from the FPE, is how to deal with the packaging format's problems when it comes to recycling (collection, sorting, and reprocessing) for a circular economy. A North American version of CEFLEX would be a good step in that direction.

The North American market for gravure package printing has been declining for 50-plus years, but expanded color gamut combined with new technologies and new ways of doing business is helping stem the outgoing tide.

Three speakers at last week’s GAA Gravure Global Summit in Clearwater Beach, FL, offered their insights for reversing the decline.

Brand owners and their packaging printer/converters need to have the same brand-equity expectations that follow through from design/marketing to actual print production.

The competitive visual landscape of a typical supermarket is a real challenge, with an average of 38,900 different items for sale. Eighty-five percent of consumers say that color is the determining factor when purchasing a particular product.

Snyder’s-Lance maintains its brand integrity through 100s of master proofs, charts and logos yielding the benefits of consistency. Consumers take only 2-4 secs to decide if they'll buy the product, almost only by how the packaging looks.

Early engagement of new gravure printing technology, new graphic designs is important for converters to communicate that to brand owners; prove level-set expectations that you know what you're doing.

Expanded color gamut (CMYKOGB) did not turn out well at first because the company worked with only one printer; the solution was accurate profiling for predictable proofing.

If there is inconsistency over time, the responsibility belongs only to the gravure packaging printer; the solution is Web-based printing process control tools for real-time data to review accuracy to please brand owners.

Gravure packaging printers need to admit their faults and become the brand owner's partner, not just a vendor. The moral of the story: consistency, predictability, repeatability.

Game-changing breakthrough new technology is possible; the cost of gravure-cylinder prepress can be cut from $0.45/sq inch to only $0.19/sq inch. A new set of cylinders can be produced in less than a day through resizable and chromeless cylinder technology.

With in-plant engraving, the gravure printer owns the facility, sets the priorities, and transportation time is non-existent. A complete set of cylinders can be ready at press in 16 hours.

New high-risk technologies are 1) engravable Nickel on a resizable polymer base, and 2) engravable polymer protected by diamond-like carbon, which became commercial this year.

Because an expensive development effort will be required to speed up adoption, reduce risk and share the cost, does the potential reward justify the cost of such a program?

Printers were enrolled in the research project: Investigating wide-web flexible-packaging printing on 60-in.-wide flexo and gravure presses. Results: Conventional gravure does not begin to beat flexo until 100,000+ linear feet. Wide-web printing with new-tech gravure offers the following cost advantages: 5% at 50,000 ft; 8.5% at 300,000 ft; and 9.5% at 1 million linear ft.

Cost and service are both obstacles to reigniting the growth of gravure, but there is a strong trend toward shorter leadtimes; Typical span today in 4 weeks, and 20% of all jobs are promised in 2-3 weeks.

Expanded-gamut (EG) color printing shows that gravure is inherently an advantage over flexo due to its stability and more saturated colors. With 7 colors, gravure EG is substantially larger than flexo.

Asia remains the hottest market for gravure flexible-packaging printing with 80% share vs. 20% flexo. Europe continues to be divided about 50/50, and North America is the reverse of Asia with 80% flexo and 20% gravure.

About 600,000 gravure cylinders are produced annually in Europe.

Using a 100 Index Figure to represent the cost per cylinder in Europe, Asia is at the 50 mark while North America is at the 200 mark.

For packaging gravure, Germany leads with 52 plants and 143 presses; Turkey is second with 44 plants and 114 presses. In Europe overall, there were 350 plants and 886 presses in 2017.

On the bright side, press makers have sold record-high numbers of press in the past few years. Examples of the latest high-tech, shorter-run presses are Uteco NXS 300 and W&H Dynastar.

(Left) Frank Passarelli, product mgr. for BOBST North America, addresses attendees at last week's Gravure Global Summit. Passarelli is the new chairman of the Gravure Assn. of the Americas.

My Thoughts: Rebuilding the gravure market for package printing in North America is no easy task. Despite its best efforts, the value chain of suppliers and printer/converters are only slowing the decline for this clearly high-quality printing & coating method. As one of the program's speakers recalled, he asked one of his brand-owner customers his opinion of their new flexo-printed packaging. "It's okay," the buyer said. Just okay? THAT never would have been acceptable for any gravure-printed materials. So, the key -- to not just stemming the outgoing gravure tide but turning it around -- may be getting flexo buyers to understand that "okay" really isn't "okay."

Regional production and end-use market stats were key points in the opening presentation at the AWA Global Release Liner Industry Conference & Exhibition, held recently in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Here are some Curmudgeon bullet “points of interest” from the talk by AWA president/CEO Corey Reardon.

Total worldwide production of release liners for all end-use applications was about 50 billion sq meters in 2017, up about 5% over 2016.

Regional production market share last year was Asia-Pacific—39%; North America and Europe—27% each; South America—4% ; and Africa-Middle East—3%.

Graphic films, medical and envelope uses for release liners are all growing faster than average.

Not surprisingly, Asia-Pacific continues to lead production growth rates with 6.3% last year (see bar chart above). While a small base of output, Africa-Middle East was next with 4.5% growth in 2017. North America at 4.3%, Europe at 4.2%, and South America at 2.2% wrap up the production-growth stats.

In 2017, raw-material availability was a top concern of release-liner converters across the globe. Fortunately, substrate providers appear to be addressing this and other industry challenges.

AWA estimates total release base-paper capacity at >4 million tonnes, produced by more than 40 companies worldwide on many more machines.

Most paper machines produce other grades as well, and estimated capacity utilization for release base papers in 70%.

The top 5 companies have a 37% market share of capable capacity for release base.

Among forecasted capacity changes through 2019:

The Boise Wallula Mill is its closing Paper Machine 3, eliminating up to 170,000 tonnes.

UPM will add 40,000 tonnes – all incremental release base.

Starkraft will add 100,000 tonnes for release base and other lightweight kraft grades.

Billerud Korsnäs is relocating its Paper Machine 4 to add 100,000 tonnes this year for packaging, medical disposables, and release liner.

Further conversions of printing & writing (P&W) grades include a UPM feasibility study of a paper machine at its Nordland Mill to release liner.

My Thoughts:With about 80% of the world’s release liners using different base papers as the substrate, a more reliable (and growing) supply of raw material is vital. This is being met at the expense of printing and writing paper capacity that’s clearly taken a hit over the past decade. One way or another, release-liner and specialty papers are a positive field now (and for the next decade) for coaters and laminators globally.

At last week’s AWA Global Release Liner Industry Conference in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, the 175 attendees on hand gained some unusual insights into business management for this specialty materials-converting field. Here are some Curmudgeon bullet “points of interest.”

Leading the program was Jeroen Diderich, vp-gm for Label and Graphic Materials – EMEA at Avery Dennison.His keynote address looked at pioneering change in the release-liner industry.

Avery Dennison is the world’s largest supplier of RFID labeling; overall the industry will produce about 30 billion such tags in 2020.

With strong moves by the p-s labeling field toward digital printing over other methods, converters and end-user customers must be aware of how silicone release liner can affect the quality of inkjet printing, in particular.

Sustainability is core to Avery Dennison’s operations. Its 2025 corporate sustainability goals mandate that 70% of its products will have a positive impact on the environment via recyclability, renewable materials, or lightweighting. Ninety-five percent of the operations will be landfill-free, ending waste in the converting value chain.

Release-liner waste can add up to 21% during printing and converting of the initial labeling constructions. Downstream, 60% of labeling waste is generated by the CPG customers, and 40% by the end-user consumer via the packaging itself. Fifty-four percent of p-s labeling release liner was recycled in Europe in 2017.

Avery Dennison is open to work with the full value chain to solve industry challenges, not just its suppliers or direct labeling, converting customers; collaboration is key.

There is a mix of “push” by packaging and end-user consumer markets and “pull” by AD itself on suppliers to solve environmental, waste, sustainability, digital-printing, and RFID challenges.

Release liner is so much more than labeling. While this category dominates the market, it’s the niche areas that are growing the fastest and offer new business opportunities.

There’s business to be done in India from the basics to high-tech medical and hygiene products; integration of Chinese resources is improving the value chain for the Asian market.

There’s real money to be made in the burgeoning e-commerce field; and industrial shipping with multiple p-s labeling (delivery and returns); especially with Amazon.

Release-liner raw material suppliers and converters need to not just tell or show, but involve all parts of the value chain so they understand.

Unusual new advertising applications are breaking with p-s private-car wraps, and new p-s specialty window films that are clear buy allow message projection to the outside.

Exchanging employee assignments around the world is a good move, but 1:1 interaction at the end of the day is the best environment for learning.

The current raw-material consolidations and bankruptcies are only short-term nightmares.

Getting some vital suppliers to really care about the environment and sustainability is key; don’t play with those who won’t play along. Non-negotiable values must be set, and they must also pass audits.

Paper release-liner overcapacity overseas, resulting in higher European anti-dumping duties, is fortunately mostly a thing of the past. Overall industry growth has mainly solved the problem.

Different container, packaging decoration methods (direct, shrink labeling) are not the solution to easing release-liner waste; recyclable does not necessarily mean recycled.

My Thoughts:A recurring theme of the keynote and leadership panel (and really the silicone-coating and materials innovation panels, too, for that matter) was collaboration among all parts of the release-liner converting value chain. The myriad challenges faced, to some extent, by the raw materials providers, converters, liner customers, product consumers (and waste recyclers, as well) are not going to get solved without contributions and give-and-take from everyone. The sooner that approach is adopted, the better for the industry – and the planet.

Price pressure and the availability of raw materials continue to stand out as important market characteristics and business concerns facing the global release-liner converting market, according to AWA Alexander Watson Associates’ annual survey of industry professionals. Results were reported last Thursday in a White Paper at the “AWA Global Release Liner Industry Conference & Exhibition (GRLICE) 2018” in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. That event drew about 175 attendees from across the globe.

Nothing says "Netherlands" quite like "bicycles."

Some “Converting Curmudgeon” bullet points of interest:

Globalization

Release liners’ diverse end-use markets have seen demand increase across most of the world’s economies, creating growth opportunities in almost all segments. And while 72% of all respondents consider their companies to be truly global, about 55% believe that globalization is not the only wayto achieve business growth.

At the same time, almost half of respondents expect that product standards will become global by 2023.

Mergers & Acquisitions

Seventy-three percent of respondents anticipate M&A activity will affect their business in the next five years. This is up 7% over the 2017 survey. As with past surveys, companies find it easier to achieve their growth objectives via acquisitions rather than just organically.

Five years from now, 57% of respondents say M&A activity in the release-liner industry will increase, and a full third think it will pretty much remain the same.

Costs & Profitability

All respondents said they experienced unprecedented cost increases in 2017 – from labor and energy to transportation and materials. In the next year, about half of survey respondents foresee all these costs to rise again, however a small share – 10% -- expect their materials, labor and energy costs to fall.

Among all respondents, 32% said their stocking levels (for inventory management) increased, 28% said it stayed the same, and four out of 10 said it was lower in 2017 vs. 2016.

About 75%% replied that their investment in new product development increased last year. Sixty-five percent boosted their R&D investment, and 60% increased capital-equipment investment. By 2021, 80% anticipate greater investment in new products, 70% foresee higher investment in R&D, and 65% expect greater capital-equipment investment.

Business Sentiment & Innovation

The release-liner industry in general feels it has made incremental improvements in products and services in recent years. The perception is that release-liner innovations are driven by end-use market demands. There are also increased levels of forward or backward integration to achieve cost savings – largely by UV silicone.

A surprisingly broad range of responses came in from respondents when asked where expected innovations in release liner could emerge. From the top down, they included coating or surface treatment or base materials, structures of release liner, raw materials generally, new liner applications, biomaterials, nanotechnology, liner release coating, overall manufacturing processes, and current end-product systems.

Sustainability & Environment

Sustainability is a major concern for businesses today, and the release-liner industry is no exception. About 85% of respondents say sustainability/recyclability/eco initiatives are important to their businesses today.

Fifty-five percent say they’ve taken measurable efforts so far to address eco issues; only about 10% think issues about recycling release-liner waste are affecting their business; and one-third say these issues will continue to have a major effect on business by 2023.

While only 26% of respondents (down from 28% last year) say they are involved in a program to recycle/reuse spent release liner, their answers were fairly non-specific regarding how to accomplish this. Still, in the pressure-sensitive/self-adhesive label market, companies along the value chain are able to access

Growth

Survey respondents in North American and Asian markets seem most optimistic about growth in their individual businesses in 2018, followed by Europeans.

Perceived market-price pressure, customers not paying their bills or going out of business, and the availability of raw materials had the highest negative ratings last year among various factors influencing the release-liner industry.

Among higher growth rates expected this year, 70% of Asian companies surveyed say business will beup 4-7% over 2017; almost half of North American and slightly fewer European businesses foresee the same growth rate.

My Thoughts:The 2018 AWA GRLICE took a somewhat unusual tack this year with its focus on the “Voice of the Customer.” Seven presentations by release-liner converting companies, including Avery Dennison, Lohmann, Vancive Medical Technologies, Advanced Coated Products, and Olympic Tape, gave the entire value-chain audience insight into new-product development. Look for more details on these talks in upcoming “Curmudgeon” posts and in our 2018 Q3 print magazine.

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According to research by Ball State University (Muncie, IN) economist Michael Hicks, the US economy is at the height of industrial production, and tomorrow’s new jobs in manufacturing are likely to go to those with college degrees.

Hicks, director of Ball State’s Center for Business and Economic Research (CBER), found the that US industrial production index peaked in December 2007, then dropped by roughly 15% by the summer of 2009.It took five years to recover to a second peak in 2015.

As the world economy dipped in 2015 and 2016, so too did American industrial production. But Hicks says we are back at a record level of industrial output. It’s worth noting that total US industrial production is more than twice what it was back in 1979, when employment peaked.

“Other measures tell the same story. Inflation-adjusted manufacturing GDP [is likely to have peaked] in Q4 2017, both in dollar and quantity index measures,” Hicks says. “Importantly, new data on value-added of manufacturing offers an even more interesting insight into America’s manufacturing strength. Value-added is a measure of production that subtracts all the goods used in production. By making this calculation across all US manufacturing, we omit all the spending by factories on imported parts. That number is at a record high right now, a full decade after the start of the Great Recession.”

Manufacturing employment rises by one millionHicks also notes that manufacturing employment, which all too many people believe is a good sign of the industry’s health, is about 1.5 million less than it was at the start of the Great Recession and about a third lower than at its peak month in 1979.

“While manufacturing employment has gained a full million jobs since the end of the recession, that rebound seems to be slowing,” he says. “Still, the loss of manufacturing employment has been swamped by growth in other sectors. For every job…lost in manufacturing since December 2007, we’ve gained six jobs in other sectors. The problem is the new jobs require different skills in different places. Moreover, turnover within manufacturing has had a very uneven effect on workers.”

Hicks points out that since about 2000, manufacturing jobs held by non-college graduates have declined by almost 45%, while manufacturing jobs held by those with a college degree are up almost 17%. “That means in net, all the new jobs and almost all the replacement jobs in manufacturing are going to college graduates. That trend also accelerated during the Great Recession.”

If I could give only one piece of business advice for 2018, it would be how crucial a corporate membership in AIMCAL is to your company’s short- and long-term technical and business success.

A key strength of the Assn. of International Metallizers, Coaters & Laminators (Ft. Mill, SC) is its long-standing tradition of providing deep technical education, research and marketing opportunities for members – be they converters, machinery builders, raw materials suppliers, consultants, or academia.

Celebrating its first anniversary next month is AIMCAL TV: three dozen original programs on solution and vacuum web coating, web-handling and slitting are presented by AIMCAL consultants and industry professionals. Members can call up the various programs on demand, and selected Converting School courses are included for members at no charge.

Speaking of Converting School, the long-running educational program of two-day technical courses is offered in locations across the country. Seven different classes are presented online, and Converting School will even come to you with In-Facility Courses right in your plant.

Need to grow your company’s name-recognition and expert technical reputation among potential customers? Well, AIMCAL membership is a vital part of that strategy. You not only can present papers at the multiple annual conferences organized by AIMCAL (﻿R2R USA / SPE FlexPackConandR2R Europe 2018﻿). But your company can also participate in the AIMCAL Pavilions at ICE South East Asia 2018 in Bangkok, Thailand, ICE USA 2019 in Louisville, KY, and ICE Europe 2019 in Munich, Germany. Complete, turnkey booth packages make getting your company in front of thousands of industry professionals fast and easy.

If I haven’t made it clear yet why your company will benefit from AIMCAL membership, you can get more information HERE. I look forward to working with you as an AIMCAL member in 2018 and beyond.

My Thoughts:With this the 10th anniversary of its first publication, I once again (and never again will) trouble my audience with this annual Christmas Q&A with the Jolly Old Elf.

As the world’s largest consumer of packaging materials, Santa Claus LLC (North Pole) knows a thing or two about what works and what doesn’t in printed, converted packaging. Despite the last-minute holiday rush, I reached company president Kris Kringle, who generously spent some time by satellite phone with The Converting Curmudgeon.

CC: What trends do you see in Christmas-present packaging and gift-wrapping materials?KK: For centuries, of course, it was paper and only paper. But lately, we’re starting to order millions of printed polyethylene bags. A lot of those are coextruded, multilayer types for added strength. Kristina [Mrs. Claus] even suggested that I trade in the old cloth bag I use for deliveries for one of these stretchable-plastic bags. I think she’s just tired of sewing it back together every Dec. 26th.

CC: Has the sustainability concept affected your business?KK: Of course. There’s the pro-paper vs. the pro-plastic arguments, and we are down-gauging our paperboard and film structures for source reduction. But, I’m seriously thinking about returning to the time when we just put the bare toys into “stockings hung by the chimney with care.” That would certainly save on materials costs. As they say, less is more.

CC: That would also pretty much kill any future businessfor packaging converters with you, though, wouldn’t it?KK: But not for label converters. Each and every toy still needs a gift tag. In fact, I’m especially grateful to the world’s labelmakers (and that good boy Stanton Avery) for inventions such as pressure-sensitive tags. Our insurance costs went through the roof years ago from elves getting carpal tunnel syndrome by hand-tying all those old-fashioned stringed tags to the toys.

CC: Have printed electronics impacted your operations yet?KK: We long since switched over completely to active RFID-tagging of everything in the warehouse. And I mean item-level, not just the pallet loads, otherwise how can you properly track the exact order for each specific child. I’m proud to say we did it all years before Walmart.

CC: Lastly, any advice for converters thinking about doing business with Santa Claus LLC?KK: We’ll always be “the world’s greatest packager.” Bring us new ideas, new concepts, new samples. We’re making toys for about four billion boys and girls annually; we don’t have time to figure out the packaging materials, too. Oh, and a cut-rate price wouldn’t hurt either…after all, it’s for the children.

Emerging technologies connecting with global brands is the key to successful commercialization of printed electronics, according to ﻿IDTechEx﻿ CEO Raghu Das. NASCAR, JCDecaux, Galvani Bioelectronics and Audi are only a few examples of the latest real-world applications.

Das offered the opening Cornerstone Presentation at the recent Printed Electronics USA 2017 trade show and conference in Santa Clara, CA. Along with 250+ exhibitors from 24 countries, the event drew about 3,500 industry professionals from 44 countries to take part in the 270 technical presentations.

The EIT backpack features a built-in LED display (left).

Here are some Converting Curmudgeon “bullet points-of-interest:”

Printed, flexible and organic electronics is a $29.3 billion market this year. Twenty-six percent is predominately printed. Forty percent is predominately flexible; that share is expected to grow to 63% by 2027. Nearly three-quarters of the market is OLED displays (not printed). And more than $12 billion have been invested in various development efforts in the past 18 months.

Miniaturization, lower power consumption, and new form factors are top trends for sensors. Two key end uses: environmental gas sensors will be a $3 billion market in 2027; point-of-care sensor apps will rise from $14 billion this year to $24 billion in 2022. Core consumer apps include blood-glucose test strips and wearables such as FitBit wristbands. The market for artificial pancreas technologies will exceed $6.5 billion by 2027.

The wearables subcategory of smart clothing and footwear will climb 53% CAGR to 2022. While a small market today, there is a strong push from both apparel and technology brands. Augmented/virtual reality apps are growing 47% CAGR to 2022; this subgroup received $1.8 billion in venture-capital funding last year. The related haptics field may be worth $2.8 billion by 2027. And the related stretchable and conformal electronics market is projected at $600+ million by 2027.

IoT is coming into its own with 5G trials in 11 US cities, 60+ countries now covered by IoT nationwide networks, and new car models in Europe being connected in 2018. Over 18 million RFID tags were sold in 2017 (an $11.2 billion market for all components), and NFC labels are finding more consumer-product packaging apps.

Electric vehicles will gain on the decline of combustion-engine-powered cars and trucks. Diesel and gasoline bans are afoot in the UK, France, Netherlands and Norway beginning in 2025-2045.

Changing battery chemistries point to sulphur cathodes, solid organic electrolytes, silicon anodes, solvent-free processing and voltages up to 5V come 2028. As much as 1,700 GWh worth of global energy storage & production is projected for 2028.