Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury

OK. I see from the full article that firefighters views were mixed on the resources issue with some saying they were happy with resources and
equipment but you only highlighted the bits that suit you.

Yes. And? I said that McDonnell had facts on his side. I then showed you this was the case. I didn't have the resources to conduct an anonymised
survey of everyone on the London Fire Service payroll, so I had to make do with the comments of some (but not all) firefighters who supported
what McDonnel was saying.

You seem to be of the opinion that providing support for one's argument is a form of cheating. I find that an odd attitude.

Firefighter don't just knock off after 4 hours attending a major fire.

A firefighter says they expect to spend four hours at a blaze. You say they don't. I wonder who to believe.

I just don't see how a man supposed to represent a party that 'represents' the working class, who was born into a well of upper class family can
actually do that job, has he had any 'working class' jobs? or job ? (bus driver, engine driver, delivery driver, street sweeper, butcher, baker,
postman, foundry worker, car production line worker, flight attendant, jobbing gardener, farm worker, fruit picker, brickie, sparks, chippie, garage
worker, and on and on and on).

All very well, but saying that the firefighters mentioned in the Grauniad report supported what McMao was saying is a bit disingenuous bearing in mind
that the report was dated 15th July 2017 when McMao made his comments well after it was printed.

No firefighter is accusing anyone of murder here.

And don't twist my words - staying on for after 4 hours is going above and beyond, obviously. As is evidenced by the fact that they stayed on well
after that here.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
All very well, but saying that the firefighters mentioned in the Grauniad report supported what McMao was saying is a bit disingenuous bearing in mind
that the report was dated 15th July 2017 when McMao made his comments well after it was printed.

Eh? McDonnell based his claims on something that had been published, and you think that's somehow wrong?

Can you explain to me in what order you think it should have happened?

No firefighter is accusing anyone of murder here.

No-one was claiming that they did, so you're just inventing stuff.

And don't twist my words - staying on for after 4 hours is going above and beyond, obviously. As is evidenced by the fact that they stayed on
well after that here.

I'm not twisting your words. You said firefighters didn't knock off after four hours. The firefighters say that's what they expect. I believe the
firefighters, and I don't believe you.

I think you are missing the point here. McMao has stated that these victims were "murdered". No one else is saying this and it is utter nonsense -
trying to make political capital out of a tragedy is despicable. No one as far as I know supports him.

Just to throw in my bit. Not all young people (If I still count as one at 25) support Jeremy Corbyn and his policies, and I think his Glastonbury
visit was a pathetic attempt to feel more popular than he really is.

I was recently at the Gorillaz festival in Margate with my younger brother. At one point they did a shout out to Corbyn and got the crowd chanting, I
looked awkwardly at my brother as another Corbyn hater and we noticed quite a few other people looking decidedly uncomfortable not wanting to appear
to not support him with the Corbyn cronies spouting nonsense all around them.

I wasn't a fan of his before Grenfell, but his actions in the minutes and hours after the news broke were disgusting. Immediately trying to score
political points, demanding things that were already being promised, then demanding more so that he could always appear to be demanding more than was
being given. He had no shame. His appearance at Glastonbury was no different, putting himself in front of a crowd where the majority would shout for
him and the rest would be too fearful to voice any sort of disapproval.

Yes Theresa May lost her majority. It's true. But she still got plenty more seats than Corbyn, he offered more free stuff to every man and his dog
than you can shake a stick at, but he still lost.

I earn less than the average wage for my area, and I'm not a city dweller, so I certainly don't earn much. But I would be worse off under Corbyn.
Almost all of us would. He's a 'dreamer' and he thinks everyone else is to, but we don't live in that world.

Oh, come off it! the linked article has JC lying through his teeth and claiming to Andrew Neil in an interview that he had never met the IRA. Did
you actually look up the link to Guido?

Yes, according to Staines' peice only MacLochlainn would be considered an associate and it's not as if he has much credibility - the reality is
Staines' sourced the claim from a Daily Mail piece written by Quentin Letts and ommits that they were there due to investigatiosn into abuse in NI
prisons and not in IRA capacity.

I think you are missing the point here. McMao has stated that these victims were "murdered". No one else is saying this and it is utter nonsense -
trying to make political capital out of a tragedy is despicable. No one as far as I know supports him.

As usual, your arguments are - how shall I put this? - at variance with observable facts.

Do stop twisting my words, it's getting tedious.

Pretending that I am twisting your words won't disguise the fact that you say things, are proved wrong, and then pretend you were saying something
different. And when that doesn't work, you simply drop that particular claim and carry on as though nothing had happened. Anyone can read back and see
for themselves that this is exactly what you have done several times.

Yes, the whole Grenfell stuff has become political. Very sad that a senior labour politician (John McDonnell) is playing to the gallery in such a
divisive manner. We have never had this reaction after a tragedy. The flooding last year effected more people and destroyed more homes, but (1)
people were not rehoused in luxury apartments and (2) the politicians and "activists" kept their mouths shut because it was not political, it was a
tragedy.

If it happens in London the world ends. If it happens in Hull people get on with life and sort it out.

While Grenfell is a tragedy, there is a real danger that the politics will overtake sorting out the problems.

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