Artorias and Gough

So here's what I think of the two. I think that Artorias is unmatched with a greatsword even tough his left arm is broken or paralyzed and that Gough(assuming this is him)is a fantastic archer even tough he is unable to see.

Cough, cough......Prior to the Abyss travels he was also an owner of a Greatshield so he was no stranger to swinging that sword one handed. LOTR reference here: After striking the Nazgul (Ring Wraith), Eowyn and Merry were both stricken and weakened and there weapons disintegrated. Perhaps a Dark Wraith attack is responsible. The shield maybe prevented death but couldn't stop the entire assault.

Because it's an overly complex plan. If his pact was with Beatrice then I can understand it, because they both were looking to defeat the 4 kings. But if it was with the darkstalker, it's probably what led to him being killed (possibly by Ciaran)

It isn't that complicated. Really, it's more complicated to try to find a motive for him to suddenly change and betray Gwyn, suddenly wanting to be allies with his enemies and Kaathe. And remember, Kaathe can't trick him by telling him that the Dark Soul is made for him, since he's not undead. None of the Knights are human. Because of that, it's simpler for him to simply want to finish Kaathe and the DW's off once and for all. To do so, he'd just need to get close. How does he get close? By killing the ghosts, but he needs a cursed weapon in order to do so. This explains why he needs the cursed weapon. If he needed an occult weapon, he'd have an occult weapon, but not one that is cursed, really. Why is it cursed? The Dark Sword that the DW's use isn't cursed.

I just can't see how him actually changing sides fits in with the big picture.

Tolvo and I actually have other reasons for him to have fallen, but for the life of me I cant remember them *facepalm*. However Gwyn isnt human, and he hollows.

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Because how would a cursed weapon help him fight the 4 kings/Kaathe? Also, you would assume that he's going to the abyss after it was sealed and flooded. He may have been fighting the dark wraiths before the sealers decided to kill all of the people in new londo.

No, he'd have to get into the abyss (which may have more entrances than just new londo) so he would make a pact that could walk in it, like with beatrice.

However, we don't know the entire history of the character, and he had an unbending will. He may have decided on his own that what Gwyn and the knights were doing wasn't the right thing to do, and opposed the idea of killing the people of new londo and using humanity to feed the bonfires.

cloudyeki wrote:Because how would a cursed weapon help him fight the 4 kings/Kaathe? Also, you would assume that he's going to the abyss after it was sealed and flooded. He may have been fighting the dark wraiths before the sealers decided to kill all of the people in new londo.

No, he'd have to get into the abyss (which may have more entrances than just new londo) so he would make a pact that could walk in it, like with beatrice.

However, we don't know the entire history of the character, and he had an unbending will. He may have decided on his own that what Gwyn and the knights were doing wasn't the right thing to do, and opposed the idea of killing the people of new londo and using humanity to feed the bonfires.