AverageAmericanGuy:"Working like a Mexican" is a huge testament to the work ethic of Mexicans. Getting past the stereotypes is a huge step, which Target seems to be doing a piss poor job at.

I spent a day at Disneyland's new California Adventure and was surprised at how many cars with Mexican plates were in the parking garage. These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

Then heading into the park I heard Mexican spoke all around me. I'm so used to the stereotype of the "Mexican dishwasher" and "Mexican landscaper" that I was truly taken aback when I saw normal families walking along dressed like any other park attendee.

It was so far from what I had predisposed myself to thinking. These people were just like us! After years of living in the U.S., I never would have thought that a visit to Disneyland would change everything I knew about Mexicans. These were families with kids, just like mine, who traveled across the border, like I did, to enjoy the sites and culture of the country across the way.

I sat down and wept into my hands. The experience was overwhelming. Who was I to judge these people? Are they not my guests in this country? They come not to take my job or to siphon money back to their families, but to just spend a day here and enjoy what we had to offer in the very same way that I've spent a day in Canada enjoying their country.

It gave me a new respect for these people. I vowed on that day that I would never look at a Mexican as a usurper of American jobs and services but as a fellow human being who in different circumstances could have been my neighbor. Indeed, in a deep and profound way he is my neighbor.

What you were seeing in the Disney parking structure were Mexicans from Mexico on vacation. They are regular working class citizens of Mexico here to enjoy themselves. These are not the illegal aliens that have invaded this country and are sponging off our society, dropping anchor babies and bringing crime and taking blue collar jobs away from the rightful citizens who deserve those jobs.

DrFuko:Tank_Fuzzbutt:What you were seeing in the Disney parking structure were Mexicans from Mexico on vacation. They are regular working class citizens of Mexico here to enjoy themselves. These are not the illegal aliens that have invaded this country and are sponging off our society, dropping anchor babies and bringing crime and taking blue collar jobs away from the rightful citizens who deserve those jobs.

Don't confuse the two.

That whole anchor baby thing... How does it work? Legally, it doesn't help jack crackers, seeing that ICE is willing to deport you and leave the children in a foster home.

And how bout that whole higher crime thing? how does that work as well? Mexicans leave their families behind and risk their lives to cross a desert just so they can cause a beer-induced ruckus and raping in a white bred neighborhood?

Seriously, if I didnt know any better, I'd swear you are just a racist person.

Not a racist or a xenophobe. I just happen to live in the middle of what's happening. Pull your head out and look around before it's too late. Educate yourself on MEChA, La Raza and Aztlan before you fall into the belief of these poor people are just looking for work.

Folks are too damn sensitive and PC these days. Most of the advice is spot on. My take:

a. Food: not everyone eats tacos and burritos;Simple fact. Nothing to be offended by. Not remotely debatable.b. Music: not everyone dances to salsa;Simple fact. Nothing to be offended by. Not remotely debatable.c. Dress: not everyone wears a sombrero;Simple fact. Nothing to be offended by. Not remotely debatable.d. Mexicans (lower education level, some may be undocumented); I am not sure if the lower education level is true and I would ask; lower education level compared to whom? I would assume white Americans is the intent. If that is the case I suspect it is demonstrably true. True or not, all one would have to do is compare the average education level of Mexicans and whatever the comparison group is to establish whether or not it is a fact. Either way, nothing to be offended by. Just ask them to fill in the missing info and get the data to establish the facts. "Some may be undocumented" is a simple statement of fact. That statement applies to damn near any group.e. Cubans (Political refugees, legal status, higher education level); and I know next to nothing about Cubans but the "political refugees" statement seems to need some qualification. Such as "may" be political refugees. "May" have legal status. I would also ask "higher education level" compared to whom? Whites? Mexicans? Whatever the case its nothing to get pissy about. Just ask them to clarify then seek data to find out if it is true before you challenge it.f. They may say 'OK, OK' and pretend to understand, when they do not, just to save face.Simple fact in terms of the pretending to understand part. Nothing to be offended by. The key word here is "may". Unless you can tell me no Mexican has ever done that then this is a simple statement of fact. I have actually experienced this one first hand on a several occasions from individuals from several different ethnic groups. Assuming it is done "just to save face" is a bit of a leap and I wonder how the author established this as the motivation, however, it may be true.

the801:how many Hispanic people of working age in California have never had a taco? sure, not all of them eat tacos, i think we're taking the whole respecting diversity thing when we have to worry about hurting the feelings of the non-taco-eating 0.01%.

A better question is how many people above the age of three in California haven't eaten a taco....of any race or creed.

DrFuko:AverageAmericanGuy: "Working like a Mexican" is a huge testament to the work ethic of Mexicans. Getting past the stereotypes is a huge step, which Target seems to be doing a piss poor job at.

I spent a day at Disneyland's new California Adventure and was surprised at how many cars with Mexican plates were in the parking garage. These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

Then heading into the park I heard Mexican spoke all around me. I'm so used to the stereotype of the "Mexican dishwasher" and "Mexican landscaper" that I was truly taken aback when I saw normal families walking along dressed like any other park attendee.

It was so far from what I had predisposed myself to thinking. These people were just like us! After years of living in the U.S., I never would have thought that a visit to Disneyland would change everything I knew about Mexicans. These were families with kids, just like mine, who traveled across the border, like I did, to enjoy the sites and culture of the country across the way.

I sat down and wept into my hands. The experience was overwhelming. Who was I to judge these people? Are they not my guests in this country? They come not to take my job or to siphon money back to their families, but to just spend a day here and enjoy what we had to offer in the very same way that I've spent a day in Canada enjoying their country.

It gave me a new respect for these people. I vowed on that day that I would never look at a Mexican as a usurper of American jobs and services but as a fellow human being who in different circumstances could have been my neighbor. Indeed, in a deep and profound way he is my neighbor.

Thank you. I've been trying to make this point here for years, but I couldn't have worded it any better than how you just did.

Seriously, thank you.

Whatever, those people are not the one's coming here to use our welfare system or drop a kid they are here to "spend" money. The ones they leave here are the one's they want us to take care of. If they are just like us then why can't they take care of their own?

Tank_Fuzzbutt:Not a racist or a xenophobe. I just happen to live in the middle of what's happening. Pull your head out and look around before it's too late. Educate yourself on MEChA, La Raza and Aztlan before you fall into the belief of these poor people are just looking for work.

So while we generalizing an entire population on some asshats, lets go ahead and pull out some files on the Bloods, Crips, KKK, Aryan Nation, Heaven's Gate, Asian Boyz, Casa Nostra..... heck, if there is a race attached to it, I am sure to find a gang affiliation to it.

My dad was half Mexican. I have many dozens of cousins in Colorado who speak fluent Spanish and some among them are amazing cooks of the best authentic food. I grew up in CA, and the only Spanish I speak is a few cuss words and how to order a beer. That being said, I've been to Mexico five times, once in business where I worked closely with educated, white collar Mexicans. The other times as a tourist who was horrified to see babies in rags begging. I can't quite wrap my brain around the fact a fabulous mansion can be on a hill overlooking a shantytown. I learned from one of the white collar girls I worked with that unless your family can pay for it, you are not educated beyond the 8th grade there.

Tank_Fuzzbutt:AverageAmericanGuy: . These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

What you were seeing in the Disney parking structure were Mexican drug lords from Mexico on vacation.

how many Hispanic people of working age in California have never had a taco? sure, not all of them eat tacos, i think we're taking the whole respecting diversity thing when we have to worry about hurting the feelings of the non-taco-eating 0.01%.

"Working like a Mexican" is a huge testament to the work ethic of Mexicans. Getting past the stereotypes is a huge step, which Target seems to be doing a piss poor job at.

I spent a day at Disneyland's new California Adventure and was surprised at how many cars with Mexican plates were in the parking garage. These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

Then heading into the park I heard Mexican spoke all around me. I'm so used to the stereotype of the "Mexican dishwasher" and "Mexican landscaper" that I was truly taken aback when I saw normal families walking along dressed like any other park attendee.

It was so far from what I had predisposed myself to thinking. These people were just like us! After years of living in the U.S., I never would have thought that a visit to Disneyland would change everything I knew about Mexicans. These were families with kids, just like mine, who traveled across the border, like I did, to enjoy the sites and culture of the country across the way.

I sat down and wept into my hands. The experience was overwhelming. Who was I to judge these people? Are they not my guests in this country? They come not to take my job or to siphon money back to their families, but to just spend a day here and enjoy what we had to offer in the very same way that I've spent a day in Canada enjoying their country.

It gave me a new respect for these people. I vowed on that day that I would never look at a Mexican as a usurper of American jobs and services but as a fellow human being who in different circumstances could have been my neighbor. Indeed, in a deep and profound way he is my neighbor.

Maybe they need to know this so they don't alienate their staff. Maybe they don't know it because they're ignorant. You shouldn't assume that everyone is as worldly and well-read as you obviously are.

A) It is not necessary that one be "worldly" to know that most Mexicans don't wear sombreros. It simply requires having eyes.B) you failed completely to come up with a scenario where a manager would need this info, even allowing for the extremely unlikely circumstance that they wouldn't already know these very basic things. And no, fear that a manager might say "so, you guys all like salsa music, right?" isn't adequate.C) you neatly avoided all reference to the fact that the manual flat-out says Mexicans are dumber than Cubans.

A) How do you know that Americanized Mexicans aren't only wearing sombreros at home?B) I thought we were all here to mock comically bad training materials. It could be that these training materials were generated over time based on the situations that came up over and over again. There could be a rational explanation about how this training material was created no matter how bad it might be.C) The manual does not "flat-out" say that Mexicans are "Dumber than Cubans." The manual does say that Cubans tend to have a higher level of education than Mexicans. This may be true, given that the Mexicans working for Target would be drawn from a population of economic migrants whereas Cubans in America tend to be political refugees. My guess is that there is a higher proportion of tertiary-educated persons in groups of political refugees that almost any source of economic migrants.D) Lighten up Francisco.

Tank_Fuzzbutt:DrFuko: Tank_Fuzzbutt:What you were seeing in the Disney parking structure were Mexicans from Mexico on vacation. They are regular working class citizens of Mexico here to enjoy themselves. These are not the illegal aliens that have invaded this country and are sponging off our society, dropping anchor babies and bringing crime and taking blue collar jobs away from the rightful citizens who deserve those jobs.

Don't confuse the two.

That whole anchor baby thing... How does it work? Legally, it doesn't help jack crackers, seeing that ICE is willing to deport you and leave the children in a foster home.

And how bout that whole higher crime thing? how does that work as well? Mexicans leave their families behind and risk their lives to cross a desert just so they can cause a beer-induced ruckus and raping in a white bred neighborhood?

Seriously, if I didnt know any better, I'd swear you are just a racist person.

Not a racist or a xenophobe. I just happen to live in the middle of what's happening. Pull your head out and look around before it's too late. Educate yourself on MEChA, La Raza and Aztlan before you fall into the belief of these poor people are just looking for work.

Try working in a casino public area department, or kitchen stewards, or housekeeping with Mexicans. I've never worked with a more racist hateful bunch in my life. At one casino where I worked, the casino porters were calling an African-American shift supervisor a n*gger to his face if they didn't get the station they wanted, and SURPRISE, the Mexican HR employees never did a thing to stop it, except to fire the shift supervisor.That's just one story out of hundreds.

The fact that management thought this needed to be said is terrifying. I'd say just fire the hell out of everyone who didn't already know that.

Pray 4 Mojo: Those are compliments.

There is no good use for racial stereotypes. There just isn't.

Keep pretending racism, bigotry and stereotypes don't exist among all sorts of people, and also don't exist for very good reasons. Peoples own actions are the impetus of this behavior. Considering yourself enlightened and above it all changes nothing. Denying reality is merely wishful thinking.

JasonOfOrillia:Maybe they need to know this so they don't alienate their staff.

For the most part, you can avoid alienating your staff just by being a decent human being. I manage by one cardinal rule: "Don't be a dick," and I daresay I'm a better people manager than most of the ones that read the how-to-manage books and go to seminars.

Satanic_Hamster:Maybe two thirds of my work crew are Hispanic (Mexicans). When they have to work on Sundays, I usually go out to the plant to check on them real quick and will bring them lunch, usually tacos from a local place.

Is that racist? Because they're good farking tacos and tacos rule.

Like this. This is a good example. Good food is universally appreciated, regardless of its ethnic origin. Plus, taking the time to think "Hey, my crew's working on a Sunday, and I bet they're hungry" shows you're thinking about their humanity rather than their ethnicity.

People work harder and are more loyal when they like their manager. (Got that from a seminar, booyah!)

This is something I picked up from Penn Jillette: When the guys from standards and practices brief you on what you cannot say they will use all the words that Fark filters. They cannot use vague terms simply because someone might not know what they mean. So during sensitivity training I expect the same, otherwise they aren't being clear about what you can or cannot do.

But I'm in Dallas... EVERYONE EATS TACOS. If you have an early meeting you get better turnouts if you get a bag of breakfast tacos than donuts BECAUSE THEY'RE REAL FOOD.

Oh, and our cowboy culture interacts with their cowboy culture so the boots and the hats are a uniting feature.Sombreros are a novelty reserved for special occasions AND THEY CAN BE SPECTACULAR.

So, aside from the food and the hats... Most of them are illegals with anchor babies and bad drivers. But you can't judge them as a group because YOU can't tell an illegal from third generation. At least until they speak. I get better english at El Pollo Regio (where I watch Sabado Gigante for chuckles) than at McDonalds because the counter staff are citizens of mexican ancestry.

I'm not believing this especially after working at a place that hired lots of illegal immigrants. They weren't all Mexicans either, but nobody was stupid enough to call people out on race - well, except for the legal Somalian refugees who worked there.

But I did work one place that hung up a lot of anti-harassment posters all over the walls and I asked my boss (who was of Mexican descent) why all of them depicted white managers abusing minorities. He didn't have a good answer. He also voted Republican and was the first to say tequila was shiat and Mexico could go fark itself. But he did close the office early on Cinco de Mayo and take us out for beer and Mexican food. Hey, Mexican food is good, especially the fake Mexican food you get in the US. Beer is also good.

freetomato:My dad was half Mexican. I have many dozens of cousins in Colorado who speak fluent Spanish and some among them are amazing cooks of the best authentic food. I grew up in CA, and the only Spanish I speak is a few cuss words and how to order a beer. That being said, I've been to Mexico five times, once in business where I worked closely with educated, white collar Mexicans. The other times as a tourist who was horrified to see babies in rags begging. I can't quite wrap my brain around the fact a fabulous mansion can be on a hill overlooking a shantytown. I learned from one of the white collar girls I worked with that unless your family can pay for it, you are not educated beyond the 8th grade there.

You would be fishing my illegal ass out of the Rio Grande too.

There are a handful of families in Mexico that control nearly all of the money there. Every 5-15 years, a pretty serious revolution starts brewing... and it just never materializes. Not sure why.

freetomato:My dad was half Mexican. I have many dozens of cousins in Colorado who speak fluent Spanish and some among them are amazing cooks of the best authentic food. I grew up in CA, and the only Spanish I speak is a few cuss words and how to order a beer. That being said, I've been to Mexico five times, once in business where I worked closely with educated, white collar Mexicans. The other times as a tourist who was horrified to see babies in rags begging. I can't quite wrap my brain around the fact a fabulous mansion can be on a hill overlooking a shantytown. I learned from one of the white collar girls I worked with that unless your family can pay for it, you are not educated beyond the 8th grade there.

You would be fishing my illegal ass out of the Rio Grande too.

Imagine the gut-wrenching feeling of those of us living here, every day. Worse yet, those of us that have taken to the streets to protest against the government.

I have considered to move out of the country, because quite honestly, there's less work. I'm already planning to move to Mexico City at year's end, and working there is considerably different from working here. I'm a little worried I might not work well, but it's a thing that I have to do.

the801:how many Hispanic people of working age in California have never had a taco? sure, not all of them eat tacos, i think we're taking the whole respecting diversity thing when we have to worry about hurting the feelings of the non-taco-eating 0.01%.

Holy shiat. The point that you seemed to have missed by 40 miles or so, is that comments on what Mexicans wear, eat, or how smart they are, aren't appropriate in a workplace manual.

Tank_Fuzzbutt:What you were seeing in the Disney parking structure were Mexicans from Mexico on vacation. They are regular working class citizens of Mexico here to enjoy themselves. These are not the illegal aliens that have invaded this country and are sponging off our society, dropping anchor babies and bringing crime and taking blue collar jobs away from the rightful citizens who deserve those jobs.

Don't confuse the two.

That whole anchor baby thing... How does it work? Legally, it doesn't help jack crackers, seeing that ICE is willing to deport you and leave the children in a foster home.

And how bout that whole higher crime thing? how does that work as well? Mexicans leave their families behind and risk their lives to cross a desert just so they can cause a beer-induced ruckus and raping in a white bred neighborhood?

Seriously, if I didnt know any better, I'd swear you are just a racist person.

Sounds more like... If you have to write "Not all Mexicans wear sombreros or eat tacos" in a guide for your managers, you may want to fire most of your managers and then revise your management hiring process just a smidgen

The English Major:AverageAmericanGuy: The Southern Dandy: Every Mexican I've ever met eats tacos.

This is because tacos are delicious.

Cheeseburgers are better and less messy. And you can put bacon, tomato, and guacamole on a burger too.

I don't know...I like 'em both, but I could kill myself with tacos because I'll just keep eating them as long as they're in front of my face. Burgers fill me up. Put a second burger in front of me and I'll pass. Not so with tacos.

I dont know any Mexican who doesnt eat tacos but havent seen many wearing sombreros. Then again I dont know any white Murican who doesnt eat tacos and the only ones I see wearing sombreros are fat 30 somethings celebrating cinco de mayo aka another excuse for white folks to drink beer.

AverageAmericanGuy:"Working like a Mexican" is a huge testament to the work ethic of Mexicans. Getting past the stereotypes is a huge step, which Target seems to be doing a piss poor job at.

I spent a day at Disneyland's new California Adventure and was surprised at how many cars with Mexican plates were in the parking garage. These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

Then heading into the park I heard Mexican spoke all around me. I'm so used to the stereotype of the "Mexican dishwasher" and "Mexican landscaper" that I was truly taken aback when I saw normal families walking along dressed like any other park attendee.

It was so far from what I had predisposed myself to thinking. These people were just like us! After years of living in the U.S., I never would have thought that a visit to Disneyland would change everything I knew about Mexicans. These were families with kids, just like mine, who traveled across the border, like I did, to enjoy the sites and culture of the country across the way.

I sat down and wept into my hands. The experience was overwhelming. Who was I to judge these people? Are they not my guests in this country? They come not to take my job or to siphon money back to their families, but to just spend a day here and enjoy what we had to offer in the very same way that I've spent a day in Canada enjoying their country.

It gave me a new respect for these people. I vowed on that day that I would never look at a Mexican as a usurper of American jobs and services but as a fellow human being who in different circumstances could have been my neighbor. Indeed, in a deep and profound way he is my neighbor.

Thank you. I've been trying to make this point here for years, but I couldn't have worded it any better than how you just did.

AverageAmericanGuy:"Working like a Mexican" is a huge testament to the work ethic of Mexicans. Getting past the stereotypes is a huge step, which Target seems to be doing a piss poor job at.

I spent a day at Disneyland's new California Adventure and was surprised at how many cars with Mexican plates were in the parking garage. These weren't the beater Toyota Hiluxes I was used to. I'm talking just normal cars from Corollas through Lexuses. Just a normal variation of cars, but having Mexican plates.

Then heading into the park I heard Mexican spoke all around me. I'm so used to the stereotype of the "Mexican dishwasher" and "Mexican landscaper" that I was truly taken aback when I saw normal families walking along dressed like any other park attendee.

It was so far from what I had predisposed myself to thinking. These people were just like us! After years of living in the U.S., I never would have thought that a visit to Disneyland would change everything I knew about Mexicans. These were families with kids, just like mine, who traveled across the border, like I did, to enjoy the sites and culture of the country across the way.

I sat down and wept into my hands. The experience was overwhelming. Who was I to judge these people? Are they not my guests in this country? They come not to take my job or to siphon money back to their families, but to just spend a day here and enjoy what we had to offer in the very same way that I've spent a day in Canada enjoying their country.

It gave me a new respect for these people. I vowed on that day that I would never look at a Mexican as a usurper of American jobs and services but as a fellow human being who in different circumstances could have been my neighbor. Indeed, in a deep and profound way he is my neighbor.