Originally posted by etherize personally I could care less if any Avalon pre's are used...I am not sure why they are so popular judging by the competition that is available today...

I personally feel that they are popular partly because they are heavily distributed compared to some other pre's

tut tut tut .... I know why you don't like it ..... because you don't hear it (2022 or m5 I mean). It is IMVHO the only pre you do not hear ..... it is for me the most natural / transparent sounding pre available today. nothing I know keeps it's basses so tight, it's mids so flat and continues breathing in the highs like a fresh summer breeze. If you don't like the sound that comes out of it .... trust me .... it is the source that's to blame.

I've probably tried those mics with most of those pre's(with the exception being the Vipre and the Great River NV). So I have my own opinions. The only pre's I would add from experience would be: Neve 1081, Amek CIB(i think someone suggested this one) and don't laugh at me on this one...Avalon VT737!!! Another to consider and I think you have this one is the Martech MSS10.

Good Luck!!!

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Originally posted by jon Good point, thrill.

I'm thinking tentatively about comparing pres on lead vocals using my 47 and the C800G.

I have a few vocalists in mind...male rock/metal, male rap, female pop, and female R&B.

I saw both the Neve 1073 and the 1081 were mentioned. Please correct me if I'm wrong here....but aren't the mic pres in both of these units identical?? I've personally never used a 1081, but I have a foggy memory of them being the same pre but with different eq points.

I saw both the Neve 1073 and the 1081 were mentioned. Please correct me if I'm wrong here....but aren't the mic pres in both of these units identical

Hi Matt.. this is a common misconception.

THe 1073 comes from the king daddy class A series of mudules which is based around the ever popular BA283 tranistorized plug in amplifier module. THis is the basic gain satge or bulding block used throughout the Class A series consoles. It is also the prime component in the 1272 LINE AMP........ which is often modded into a mic pre. The 1272 has a max output gain of nearly 45 db which in most cases is cool for thing but in other is not nearely enough gain to get where u want to go! So in order to create the 70-80 db of mic input gain Rupert piggy backed 2 BA283's onto each other to create two cascading gainstages... thats why when u use a 10xx series it clicks into an off position about 9'o clock from memmory?..... not looking at mine right now so i forget.. naughty me!!!!!tut

The 1081 is a class A/B and relies on the same type of gain stages in plug in amp card as the 10xx series, just in an A/B format. The basic bulding block of the A/B series can be found int he 3415 LINE AMP... which like the CLASS A 1273 can also be converted into mic pre... woo hoo... neve on the cheap!

Which is better?... that for ur ears to work out.. altho IMHO the A/B series are more usable and flexible and have more 'cool' frequencies to fiddle with!

either way they are all great sounding and incredibly flexible tools... any one who tells u less is on crack and should be summarirlyl executed....heheheheheeheheheh

oK, I NEED some help, I have a vipre on order but, snot here yet the flamingo looks like a better deal but is the vipre so much better that I should buy it and wait for a flamingo and a hardy? What do you guys use the hardys for? clean acoustic stuff? Which Hardys?
Ok I just got the Soundelux 195 the other day, used it on guitar and girl vox but I liked it, I think its a steal! Wish I had remembered the fat switch cause this girl needed it! Thanks
daniel

The Vipre will really make your mics come alive . . . . I have found that I am pulling mics out of the locker that I have not used in years to see what the Vipre will do with them . . . . and end up using them as they come alive with the right settings.

I tried an Avalon 737 and Millennia on a rock session last weekend. Neither of them blew me away on anything I tried them on. I'd have to agree with many others here that they're "boring" sounding. I have Hardy M-1's for "clean/transparent", and that's what I ended up using, through an Esoteric Audio compressor that was "Like Butter"!

Originally posted by juniorhifikit I tried an Avalon 737 and Millennia on a rock session last weekend. Neither of them blew me away on anything I tried them on.

Hey Junior which mics did you use with the avalon and what did you record with it? I agree that the Avalon isn't the only channel strip to have but Its a nice one to have in the rack. I really like the direct inject for bass, the comp is limited but will work with the average singer and the eq really gives alot of tones.
I think for the $ its one of the more useful channel strips around.
but it may not blow you away
Daniel

Originally posted by juniorhifikit I tried an Avalon 737 and Millennia on a rock session last weekend. Neither of them blew me away on anything I tried them on. I'd have to agree with many others here that they're "boring" sounding. I have Hardy M-1's for "clean/transparent", and that's what I ended up using, through an Esoteric Audio compressor that was "Like Butter"!

well the avalon is very clear and does not have a overpowering tube sound even though i think it has a personality..so i guess if you are looking for something that adds a great amount of texture it would not be right for you....for myself i just like a more transparent source , then if i want i manipulate it later with some tube gear.

Hey Chap what else do you favor the Slam on?
I guess for what it does its priced right but hell I'm still trying to recover from the vipreheh
Oh Yeah, did you try the slam with it's digital i/o ?
thanks
daniel