The first clues appeared in Kenya, Uganda and what is now South Sudan. A British arms researcher surveying ammunition used by government forces and civilian militias in 2006 found Kalashnikov rifle cartridges he had not seen before. The ammunition bore no factory code, suggesting that its manufacturer hoped to avoid detection.
Within two years other researchers were finding identical cartridges circulating through the ethnic violence in Darfur. Similar ammunition then turned up in 2009 in a stadium in Conakry, Guinea, where soldiers had fired on antigovernment protesters, killing more than 150.

For six years, a group of independent arms-trafficking researchers worked to pin down the source of the mystery cartridges. Exchanging information from four continents, they concluded that someone had been quietly funneling rifle and machine-gun ammunition into regions of protracted conflict, and had managed to elude exposure for years. Their only goal was to solve the mystery, not implicate any specific nation.

When the investigatorsâEUTM breakthrough came, it carried a surprise. The manufacturer was not one of AfricaâEUTMs usual suspects. It was Iran.

Some Ba'tards have cut into yer business & profits could suffer because of it , or !!GASP !!
PRICES COULD FALL !
Ya can't have that, can you believe the cheek of those damn Iranians !
How dare they think they can do exactly what the USA does !

If there wasn't a good reason for war with Iran before ...they need to nuke it now ~;p

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Some Ba'tards have cut into yer business & profits could suffer because of it , or !!GASP !!
PRICES COULD FALL !
Ya can't have that, can you believe the cheek of those damn Iranians !
How dare they think they can do exactly what the USA does !

If there wasn't a good reason for war with Iran before ...they need to nuke it now ~;p

You sound like a sociopath nut bar. In layman's terms you sound like a average American.

People use guns to easily kill other people so why make it easier to enable killing ?

Because in much {if not all} of the African wars, they don't solve conflicts with peaceful dialogue, they're much more content on blasting each other like they are on Pandora. Where they get the weapons, it doesn't matter, much of the world has already given up on Africa anyways, considering when a lot of foreign aid ends up on the hands of warlords or corrupt governments.

People use guns to easily kill other people so why make it easier to enable killing ?

Because in much {if not all} of the African wars, they don't solve conflicts with peaceful dialogue, they're much more content on blasting each other like they are on Pandora. Where they get the weapons, it doesn't matter, much of the world has already given up on Africa anyways, considering when a lot of foreign aid ends up on the hands of warlords or corrupt governments.

Not talking about Africa I am talking Am"ER"ica seeing as how there is a literal epidemic of gun violence in that country.

Stop trying to derail another thread. This is about gun violence in Africa, there are plenty of American gun violence topics on here. BTW, what's your solution to all the gun violence, then?

Same goes for Africa, Mexico, Canada, Bulgaria, EU, Russia, India etc .... so I am not derailing a thread I am just pointing out the simple fact that gun violence will go down if the populouses of the world are disarmed and heck why the hell stop there as we might as well disarm the Militaries at the same fucking time as the Police.

At 1/17/13 01:13 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
Same goes for Africa, Mexico, Canada, Bulgaria, EU, Russia, India etc .... so I am not derailing a thread I am just pointing out the simple fact that gun violence will go down if the populouses of the world are disarmed and heck why the hell stop there as we might as well disarm the Militaries at the same fucking time as the Police.

thanks for pointing out your flaming ignorance yet again. disarm the militaries? right. first military to disarm will be the first nation overrun and subjugated by their rivals. Also. disarming the police would simply enable organized crime to overrun the cities.

that and it doesn't take a magical forge deep in Death Mountain to make a gun. you can make an effective gun with some pipe. it's also simple enough to make bullets. Even if you DID shut down all the gun factories in the world you would still have gunsmiths who are capable of making guns.

you would have to shut down and dismantle all gun factories, disassemble and melt down all their equipment, confiscate and melt down every single gun and bullet ever made, destroy all schematics and books related to guns, and finally, kill every gunsmith in the world.

good luck on that one. instead of living in a fantasy world, try living in reality. it's not going to happen.

now back to the topic.

does this surprise anyone? Iran selling weapons and ammo to the warlords of Africa who get UN aid? It's a very roundabout way to obtain UN funding for their nuclear ambitions.

At 1/18/13 12:12 PM, Korriken wrote:
does this surprise anyone? Iran selling weapons and ammo to the warlords of Africa who get UN aid? It's a very roundabout way to obtain UN funding for their nuclear ambitions.

This is the sad thing about aid. Money is fungable and even non-monetary aid can be turned into money for bad thing.

Aid money can be directly misused (think Mississippi and Federal Education money misused) for weapons.
Aid in the form of help or good can be misused in that the money that would go to paying for food for the people doesn;t have and would now go to guns, and so on.

China and Russia are apathetic, they won't interfere with private business interests but if the west tries to stop one of their arms shipments for some reason they won't bend over backwards to protect the business responsible.

At 1/16/13 09:50 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
that might work, most foreign aid goes to the local warlords anyways but the UN hasn't figured that out quite yet.

I think they actually know that. Most nations (and therefore the UN, since most nations are in the UN) have never had a gigantic problem supplying dictators, even nations like the US that claim to be against them. Because it's of course always easier to insure a region doesn't fuck with you by paying off the one guy in charge vs. dealing with the citizenry. That was the theory anyway, and with the rise of terrorism and such, that theory is proven pretty crap.

But yeah, this to me is a shitty situation, but is there anything to really do? I say no. This just sounds like the Times trying to heap a little more onto the "that evil Iranian government", but never mind we've done this traditionally too, are still doing it, and still making back door deals with despots. Just like everyone else.

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