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Kmart- kid jumps out of aisle with a pistol

I was shopping with my Sweet Baboo yesterday at kmart. I was walking down a semi crowded aisle when a kid about ten or twelve jumps out with a pistol, stalking someone. I did not see the orange plug right away as he turned the corner, took aim, and shot his father. The father was embarrassed and told the kid to put the pistol back. I continued on and up comes another kid with a pistol. I said "hey, what do you think you are doing?" he turned the pistol sideways and said "it's an airsoft", I replied "put it down, that's a good way to get shot." He put the weapon on a shelf and moved off. I reported the incident to an employee and asked him to recover the pistol . The two of them opened up a couple of packages and started playing "shoot me".

If they were damaging store property by opening packages, I mighta said something to the staff. But, you never know. Were I the merchant, I would reply, "Shhh. I sell more of those guns after the kids play with them and start pestering their parents to buy them!"

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

I was shopping with my Sweet Baboo yesterday at kmart. I was walking down a semi crowded aisle when a kid about ten or twelve jumps out with a pistol, stalking someone. I did not see the orange plug right away as he turned the corner, took aim, and shot his father. The father was embarrassed and told the kid to put the pistol back. I continued on and up comes another kid with a pistol. I said "hey, what do you think you are doing?" he turned the pistol sideways and said "it's an airsoft", I replied "put it down, that's a good way to get shot." He put the weapon on a shelf and moved off. I reported the incident to an employee and asked him to recover the pistol . The two of them opened up a couple of packages and started playing "shoot me".

What would you have done and has this ever happened to you?

They're just lucky your name isn't Birk or we'd be hearing about it on the news right about now.

They're just lucky your name isn't Birk or we'd be hearing about it on the news right about now.

Ouch!

We should also come up with a term for an inquest that completely avoids examining whether a cop even had RAS to stop a citizen before shooting him for crossing a street with a closed folding knife.

I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

depends on the quality of the toy and how accurate they are in reproduction of an actual firearm.

In Kmart, little kid close to toy section, wouldn't do much of anything

I'd be very hard to articulate to a police officer/judge/jury/media that you really believed your life was in danger at that time rightly or wrongly.

on the other hand, if it was an adolescent or young adult pointing a pretty good imitation of a firearm at me, and i'm talking full-size detail accurate "toy" that would warrant a different response.

I actually used to play airsoft regularily, some friends and I would hold matches shooting the plastic bbs at each other, we'd play in the back lot of a church ( a rather sizable lot with a mockup of Bethlehem that they use around christmas for a nativity show), with permission of the pastor of course, we'd park near by and walk in a group of us, all wearing full cammo, load bearing gear, and airsoft guns that resembled M-4s, G-36s, I had an M-14 mock up, one kid even had a FAMAS mock up. We'd walk down the street to the game site, one time a police officer drove slowly by us, rolled down the window and asked us for "directions to Kandahar" before continuing on his way laughing....

some times it's extremely obvious what's going on, other times not so much. difficult question.

they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

My granddaughter, 14 or 15 yo at the time, burst in her front door and told her dad (my son) that a boy has a pistol at the beach. The beach is a sandy area for recreation and swimming at a private lake in their sub-division. My son rolled - he is an instructor at a state academy. Turns out the 16 yo had painted the orange tip black on his very real looking airsoft gun. He read the boy and his mother the riot act......twice. Explained that the young man could have been shot by someone thinking the gun was real. It is my understanding that the mother took the "toy" away from her boy and destroyed it.

Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

My step son and friends used to play airsoft a lot. One time on the way home his freinds popped out of the woods pointing their airsoft rifles at me. I of course was OC'ing stopped and gave them something to think about....they didn't do it again.

Originally Posted by Orphan

"I'd be very hard to articulate to a police officer/judge/jury/media that you really believed your life was in danger at that time rightly or wrongly."

If you actually shot someone under those circumstances it would not be hard at all to articulate your fear to a police officer/judge/jury/media, why else would you have shot?

"if it was an adolescent or young adult pointing a pretty good imitation of a firearm at me"

So you make decisions on defending your self on the way someone looks or their age?

Yet he defends the murder of John T. Williams by officer Ian Birk.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

My local K-Mart is considered crowded when all the employees show up for work. Makes me wonder how they stay open.

As for the kid, a smack on the back of the head, delivered from the Father would have been really refreshing to see, no doubt. Expect to see it happen right after the Easter Bunny is proven to be real.

If I'd pulled that stunt when the same age, I'd be "assisted" out of the store by my Dad's right shoe. All the way to the car I'd be getting a reminder how stupid I was. To an observer it would have appeared that my Dad was walking on only his left leg while booting my ass with the other.

Ah, the good old days.

"If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

"If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

Fact--Baby Rattlesnakes bites are more toxic than adult rattlers. In other words, they both kill.

Good point but slight semantical correction. The venom isn't more toxic the baby rattlers don't have as much control over their venom as adult rattlers.....which would make your point even more poignant.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

Actually, babies are not more toxic, and the output of their venom is less than an adults, since they are much smaller, and the venom sacs cannot hold as much volume as a mature snake. So they may inject more venom by percentage, but that doesn't mean they actually inject more than an adult is capable of.

Actually, babies are not more toxic, and the output of their venom is less than an adults, since they are much smaller, and the venom sacs cannot hold as much volume as a mature snake. So they may inject more venom by percentage, but that doesn't mean they actually inject more than an adult is capable of.

But both are capable of causing death, given the right circumstances.

At least in this case, the female of the species is not more deadly than the male.

Better to not open your mouth and be thought the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

Re: Kmart- kid jumps out of aisle with a pistol

I believe there used to be a blue law in Washington that forbid children from owning toy pistol. I can't find any historical blue law cites, but did see this in the Tri-City Herald the other day with a 1962 date.

Good point but slight semantical correction. The venom isn't more toxic the baby rattlers don't have as much control over their venom as adult rattlers.....which would make your point even more poignant.

And since the baby rattlers are somewhat dehydrated the venom is MORE concentrated.

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Kids have played with toy funs forever. You shouldn't have told him that he could get shot doing what kids do!

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What at all was inaccurate or untrue about what he said? Do you really need examples of the plethora of cases out there of punk-ass kids getting shot because they pointed a toy gun at someone (usually a cop)? It COULD have gotten the little punk shot, pure & simple. Whether such a shooting would be ethically, morally, or legally justified after the fact is really irrelevant. Dead is dead. Including dead from stupid.

I grew up playing cowboys and indians. As a kid about 6, the lone ranger was my hero and I always had my six gun on. Everywhere I went I shot every indian I saw, Oh and everyone I saw was an indian. I pointed my gun at everything living or not and shot it.

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what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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Re: Kmart- kid jumps out of aisle with a pistol

Originally Posted by Metalhead47

What at all was inaccurate or untrue about what he said? Do you really need examples of the plethora of cases out there of punk-ass kids getting shot because they pointed a toy gun at someone (usually a cop)? It COULD have gotten the little punk shot, pure & simple. Whether such a shooting would be ethically, morally, or legally justified after the fact is really irrelevant. Dead is dead. Including dead from stupid.

Kids should be scared to use a toy gun in the commission of a crime, not of playing with a toy gun in a completely innocent manner.