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Re: Granger out for three weeks

Paul George was icing his right shoulder after the last game. Icing is fairly typical.

Paul George didn't have a fractured ligament in his shoulder, though. I realize that icing is fairly typical as it really helps (I have played club basketball myself). I'm just saying that Rose was icing his knee while Danny wasn't.

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Re: Granger out for three weeks

Paul George didn't have a fractured ligament in his shoulder, though. I realize that icing is fairly typical as it really helps (I have played club basketball myself). I'm just saying that Rose was icing his knee while Danny wasn't.

Danny probably should have been icing it. Raise that level of inflammation a regular basis is a good way to build up scar tissue.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

You are right, I didn't express myself right. My point is that when we're playing the Bulls there are so many Bulls at BLF that any home court advantage that we could have is eliminated.

Look, I agree with you that home court is important. It certainly helps to play in front of your fans. Last year's team was absolutely awesome at home but we struggled a bit on the road.

But having the better team is very important as well. Both play their role. It isn't black and white.

That's true. Question for you. If you think Lance should close, I assume you believe that he is better with the other starters. Is that correct?

If so, why wouldn't you want the young man to get more experience working with those guys? I think you would even agree that the way he would play with the starters will have to be different, and that practice makes perfect, and that being perfect when a playoff game against Miami is on the line is critical.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

That's true. Question for you. If you think Lance should close, I assume you believe that he is better with the other starters. Is that correct?

If so, why wouldn't you want the young man to get more experience working with those guys? I think you would even agree that the way he would play with the starters will have to be different, and that practice makes perfect, and that being perfect when a playoff game against Miami is on the line is critical.

I want Lance to close because I want my best players out there when the game is on the line.

Also, the point has never been that I don't want Lance to play with the starters. I certainly do. I think that he is awesome alongside the rest of our starters. But we cannot play the starters for 48 minutes. At some point we have to use the bench. And I really don't think that Danny makes the bench a lot better. Lance, on the other hand, is capable of making the bench 10 times better.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

I want Lance to close because I want my best players out there when the game is on the line.

Also, the point has never been that I don't want Lance to play with the starters. I certainly do. I think that he is awesome alongside the rest of our starters. But we cannot play the starters for 48 minutes. At some point we have to use the bench. And I really don't think that Danny makes the bench a lot better. Lance, on the other hand, is capable of making the bench 10 times better.

Here is where I disagree. I don't think Lance has that much impact, although he would help the bench more than Granger. I understand we needed to shore up the bench and we did that. I'm more concerned about improving the starters even more than they are right now because when that game is on the line, those bench players aren't going to be out there.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

Here is where I disagree. I don't think Lance has that much impact, although he would help the bench more than Granger. I understand we needed to shore up the bench and we did that. I'm more concerned about improving the starters even more than they are right now because when that game is on the line, those bench players aren't going to be out there.

So, we found our disconnect. I believe that the starters are awesome and that they will keep being the best starting 5 of the league no matter what (especially if Paul George keeps playing as awesome as he is). We're talking about a starting 5 that have bested the starting 5 of the Miami Heat in two consecutive appearances. So, I really trust them a lot. The bench is a new unit, though. They have good talent but someone needs to get the most out of that talent. Lance is that someone.

If our bench becomes great then we will afford to rest our starters more often because our bench will be good enough to expand our lead and keep a comfortable margin. Resting our starters more in the regular season is a good way to avoid injuries (major or minor) and keeps us fresh and healthy for the playoffs. On the other hand, if our bench struggles once again then our starters will need to play more in order to compensate and that can lead to nagging injuries when the playoffs roll around (everyone except Roy had some sort of injury during last year's playoffs even if it was minor).

That's my idea, my friend. I can see that you disagree with it. That's fine. You are free to disagree with me since everyone is free to have their own opinions.

We can now agree to disagree

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Re: Granger out for three weeks

I sure hope this is the last of any nagging injuries for Granger once he's cleared to play for the season, cause with this team at full strength it's going to be nasty what we'll be able to do to teams. I couldn't really care less who plays when as long as we get them W's just win baby.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

I'd be careful with this wording. Someone is likely going to throw this at you the first time you disagree with Frank later on.

I get what you're saying, but I think in this instance it's a fact and not an opinion. I don't always agree with Frank's opinion, but when he say's something factual about his system, there's no a whole lot of standing room to disagree with him. And seeing as how it's his system....

Re: Granger out for three weeks

So Orlando Johnson and Solo Hill are combining for around 23 MPG. Will Granger eventually take all of those minutes?

Presumably, yes. We've also been playing PG and Lance a little more than we'd like due to need. If Danny is Danny, you'll be able to scale those guys back by a minute or two a game and keep them ready for the longer season.

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Re: Granger out for three weeks

Wait... people are actually enjoying George Hill and Danny Granger being out?

I guess we can expect our starters to play 40 minutes a night if that's a case.

We clearly need them to share minutes. I actually like Mahinimi and Orlando Johnson but for whatever reason, are bench is a disaster and +/- shows that.

Personally, I think you run a line up of Watson, Stephenson, George, Scola, Hibbert without much of a drop off from Hill and West. They're not as good but the other three on the court make up for it. Watson just needs to hit 3's and same goes for Scola, just needs to make baskets. Hibbert has the paint covered and George/Stephenson can do whatever. Then the 2nd unit of Hill, OJ, Granger, West, Mahinimi looks pretty good good to me. 1-4 can score...

Obviously you don't change anything right now. You do start Hill over Watson but Granger comes off the bench and you see how he looks. But our bench has stunk up the 2nd quarter the past 2 games while our starters are amazing. We really need Hill and Granger to absorb some of the minutes imo. Last night the starters got a break outside of George and Stephenson. I recall George saying he was tired at the end of last season and having to play all those extra playoff games. It would be nice if we can give him a break some nights as opposed to playing 40 minutes. It's fine and all early in the season but I'm assuming it will take a toll over time. He's averaging 37.2mpg... we're giving him Lebron type minutes but the difference is, he doesn't have Lebron's physique. I get the feeling that George has to work harder to defend and he feels the fouls more than Lebron. Lebron even wines about physical play and fouls, and George has a thinner frame. If Lebron is whining about it, we don't need George taking a beating for 40 minutes a night imo. I can't wait till Hill and Granger are back so they can take some of the minutes. Our bench without them is, uh... something. With them, I think it's pretty good because Watson doesn't have to start and we'll add Granger(or Stephenson to the bench). Both improvements compared to them being out. The Watson and Scola additions are awesome and the return of Granger will be too.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

Presumably, yes. We've also been playing PG and Lance a little more than we'd like due to need. If Danny is Danny, you'll be able to scale those guys back by a minute or two a game and keep them ready for the longer season.

I wish I had read this post before I posted.

Seemed like most people are satisfied with Hill and Granger out. I completely agree that we need them to give PG and Stephenson breaks. It's early so they can do it for now but 82 games is a long season. And Hill/Granger are better than all of the people playing minutes in their place.

Re: Granger out for three weeks

+1 and I'm one of the people that believes Lance should be a starter and Danny should come off the bench.

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