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WITHOUT the Greek definition of the word "soul," how can that word "soul"[a living creature or to breath] become a euphemsim to the woman of Genesis as a soul as in the Greek sense? From what I have read, not just on this forum, the woman represents the soul that man must get/win/woo back or at least get back in line for a type of marriage.I understand the concept, and I find it viable, even followed it for years. I am asking now, just how it evolved or maybe I should say, reveal its self, as such for that identification?

I am asking in all sincerity.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

In our language, not all of our words have either a feminine or masculine connotation . . .many do, but not all. But I'm told the Hebrew language "does" have every word connected to either a feminine or masuline connotation. . What that means is . . .if you say your name is "Jill" then I know by the feminine conotation of the name that you're a female . . .but if you say your name is "Jack" then that tells me you're a male . . .the word "soul" carries a feminine connotation.

Secondly . . .David even verifies this in Psalms where he states . .

1I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

In our language, not all of our words have either a feminine or masculine connotation . . .many do, but not all. But I'm told the Hebrew language "does" have every word connected to either a feminine or masuline connotation. . What that means is . . .if you say your name is "Jill" then I know by the feminine conotation of the name that you're a female . . .but if you say your name is "Jack" then that tells me you're a male . . .the word "soul" carries a feminine connotation.

Secondly . . .David even verifies this in Psalms where he states . .

1I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

3O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together.

Oh wow, I had never caught that in the psalms or thought about the feminine/masculine Hebrew words, great points Nathan!

Yes soul is a fem. noun. But not all translations use "her" in that Psa.34:2 I suggest this is how we can slide to create what we think. So, maybe David did not actually "verify" anything as to making the soul a "her." Something to consider rather than build on. Of course it is just my opinion. I do understand that losing the meaning or understanding of what a soul is, from its entrance into the Word, and how the Greek generates or defines a soul to be an entity in and of itself can cause a wondering.

Forgot to add this: no mention of "her" in these translations

Psa 34:2 (33:3) Mi soule schal be preisid in the Lord; mylde men here, and be glad.(Wycliffe 1395)Psa 34:2 My soul shall make its boast in Jehovah: the meek shall hear, and rejoice.(Darby 1890)Psa 34:2 My soule shal glory in God: the humble shall heare therof and be glad.(Bishops Bible1568)Psa 34:2 My soule shall glory in the Lord: the humble shall heare it, and be glad.(Geneva 1587)Psa 34:2 (34:3) My soul shall glory in the LORD; the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.(Jewish Publication Society Translation1917 )Ps 34:2 My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.(Amp. Bible)Psa.34:2 2 When I boast, it will be about ADONAI; the humble will hear of it and be glad. (Complete Jewish Bible David Stern)Psa.34: 2 My soul shall make its boast in the Lord; The humble shall hear of it and be glad(New King James 1982)Psa. 34:2 I will boast only in the Lord; let all who are helpless take heart.(New living Trans.)Psa. 34:2 My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble hear and be glad. (New Rev. Std.)

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Check out ISA2or StrongנפשׁnepheshBDB Definition:1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man1b) living being1c) living being (with life in the blood)1d) the man himself, self, person or individual1e) seat of the appetites1f) seat of emotions and passions1g) activity of mind1g1) dubious1h) activity of the will1h1) dubious1i) activity of the character1i1) dubiousPart of Speech: noun feminineA Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H5314Same Word by TWOT Number: 1395a

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Yes soul is a fem. noun. But not all translations use "her" in that Psa.34:2 I suggest this is how we can slide to create what we think. So, maybe David did not actually "verify" anything as to making the soul a "her." Something to consider rather than build on. Of course it is just my opinion. I do understand that losing the meaning or understanding of what a soul is, from its entrance into the Word, and how the Greek generates or defines a soul to be an entity in and of itself can cause a wondering.

Forgot to add this: no mention of "her" in these translations

Psa 34:2 (33:3) Mi soule schal be preisid in the Lord; mylde men here, and be glad.(Wycliffe 1395)Psa 34:2 My soul shall make its boast in Jehovah: the meek shall hear, and rejoice.(Darby 1890)Psa 34:2 My soule shal glory in God: the humble shall heare therof and be glad.(Bishops Bible1568)Psa 34:2 My soule shall glory in the Lord: the humble shall heare it, and be glad.(Geneva 1587)Psa 34:2 (34:3) My soul shall glory in the LORD; the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.(Jewish Publication Society Translation1917 )Ps 34:2 My life makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble and afflicted hear and be glad.(Amp. Bible)Psa.34:2 2 When I boast, it will be about ADONAI; the humble will hear of it and be glad. (Complete Jewish Bible David Stern)Psa.34: 2 My soul shall make its boast in the Lord; The humble shall hear of it and be glad(New King James 1982)Psa. 34:2 I will boast only in the Lord; let all who are helpless take heart.(New living Trans.)Psa. 34:2 My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the humble hear and be glad. (New Rev. Std.)

First off bro . . .there is no "creating what we think" going on here . . .I share what I see, I create nothing.

Secondly, I don't base what I see on some translation . . .I don't even base it on what's written in a book. I base it on what's written in me . . .it comes from "perspective" not interpretation.

Which leads to the third point. Because lining up the soul with the woman in me and the spirit with the man in me unlocks many more spiritual principles that lead to more depths . . .I choose to embrace what I've shared I see. The pattern just fits the nature of God too well to think that it's a translated error.

Dead H4191 A primitive root; to die (literally or figuratively) [can I say to quit breathing and be in order?]Body H5315 nephesh properly a breathing creature. From H5314A primitive root; to breatheSoul H5315 nephesh properly a breathing creatureNow in my opinion, right here the formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. That formed man when man becme a living soul, was a body.And what does the Bible teach is a SOUL?

Numbers 6:6(ASV) All the days that he separateth himself unto Jehovah he shall not come near to a dead body.

(CLV) All the days of his sequestration to Yahweh he shall not come near a dead soul.

I also googled this sheila. I may need to look further, but I didn't see much/any real scientific evidence, and a whole bunch of information about a LD cult started by Gwen Shaw that teaches this. Some even call her teaching occultic. I don't really know much about the blood issue, but it may bear some further investigation.

I have no problem believing it, simply because all matter is in essence "congealed" or slowed down light, the light that is Spirit. By Him (Christ) and through Him and for Him, were all things created.

Also, a vision of an eclipse He gave me years ago, when I watched as the moon went behind the earth in it's oval eliptical orbit (like a valley), He spoke to me, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death (earth/flesh dominating spirit) I will fear no evil for the Lord is with me."

When I went to the library to check out a book on astronomy to investigate it, I was stunned to read that when the light from the sun hits the earth during such an event, it blocks out all spectrums of light, save one, which actually refracts or bends around the surface of the earth to hit the moon (symbolic of the redeemed). The color? Why, red, of course. The color of the blood.

ALL the heavens declare His glory.....Blessings....

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Again, I don't know. Maybe it also depends on "technicality", i.e., is it an actual/literal definition, or a spiritual metaphor, etc.

For instance, I personally do have an awe of what would have been Jesus' literal blood, although I realize the most important aspect of it is/was spiritual.

This from J. Preston Eby;

"Let us notice one thing further. The red liquid that ran through the veins and arteries of the body of Jesus is not the blood whose power redeems mankind and all things unto God. There is no biblical basis for attributing any unusual properties to Christ's body fluids. The term "blood of Christ" is far more significant than any magical or mystical power falsely attributed to His physical blood by those who are ignorant of the truth. And here I must speak a word against one of the popular myths that has been widely circulated among God's people. Various teachers have maintained that human blood is in some mysterious way "congealed light." Now that term carries with it a certain kind of mystical aura, and a rather scientific sound. But the truth is that it is neither scientifically founded, scripturally sound, nor spiritually veracious. Blood is composed of the very same chemical and mineral substances of which the earth is made. If blood is "congealed light," then your refrigerator, automobile, house, and a bunch of bananas and a cup of coffee are just as truly congealed light! Blood is mostly water, but in the blood many substances are dissolved and in this fluid float specks of matter that do not dissolve. From the lungs it takes oxygen breathed in, and from the digestive organs it takes food substances and carries these, as well as disease-fighting cells, to all parts of the body. The liquid part of the blood greatly resembles sea water. This liquid part of the blood without all the solid particles, but including the various chemicals in the blood, is called plasma."

Another thought; everything is through, from, and to Him - including our blood. So aren't even the most literal/physical things, in essence, still spiritual in their sum essence?

I have no problem believing it, simply because all matter is in essence "congealed" or slowed down light, the light that is Spirit. By Him (Christ) and through Him and for Him, were all things created.

At the right frequency it's possible to walk/phase trough solid objects.

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Also, a vision of an eclipse He gave me years ago, when I watched as the moon went behind the earth in it's oval eliptical orbit (like a valley), He spoke to me, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death (earth/flesh dominating spirit) I will fear no evil for the Lord is with me."

When I went to the library to check out a book on astronomy to investigate it, I was stunned to read that when the light from the sun hits the earth during such an event, it blocks out all spectrums of light, save one, which actually refracts or bends around the surface of the earth to hit the moon (symbolic of the redeemed). The color? Why, red, of course. The color of the blood.

There was one on crucifixion day.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Our blood is made up of congealed light. In our DNA it has been recently discovered that there are bio-photons

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Have you noticed lately that most of the big names in the Prophetic and Apostolic Movement are increasingly sprinkling the term DNA into their vocabulary?

To understand the seriousness implications of their use of the term DNA, it is important to understand that the Dominionist doctrine embraced by an increasing number of apostate ministries is straight from the occult. From the very seeds of civilization, Gnostic sects and keepers of the Gnostic Kabalistic dogma have spoken of humankind evolving into a God-like being. The Kabbala calls this being the Adam Kadmon, or "God Man." The name "Adam" refers to the entire human race and the term "Kadmon" refers to completion. Thus, Adam Kadmon speaks of a return to our beginning, with all the knowledge, wisdom, and enlightenment of the first "Adam." Those who embrace this doctrine firmly believe we can return to the Garden of Eden by becoming the Adam Kadmon and creating Heaven on Earth.

One becomes Adam Kadmon through activation of the divine nature. When enough of man kind has activated their divine nature we will evolve and become the "Corporate Christ." DNA stands for Divine Nature Activation and it is being tossed around in the Christian community like rice at a wedding. Doing a quick online search using the term DNA activation will return a myriad of occult websites for your perusal.

Adherents of these occultic beliefs claim that the inactivated part of our DNA is preventing us from becoming God. They claim we have the divinity and enlightenment of the Adam Kadmon encoded into our DNA. As more and more of us activate this Divine Nature we will corporately become the Adam Kadmon, return to the Garden, and usher in heaven on earth. Is this starting to sound familiar? It should. It is exactly what the false apostles of the prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation teach. It is also what the New Age teaches. The Dominionists cloak their beliefs and their Luciferian agenda in more palatable terms to appeal to the undiscerning. However, it makes no matter what you wrap cyanide in to make it easier to swallow; it is still going to kill you.

Below is a quote from John Lewis from Age to Age Ministries in which explains the use of this term DNA. Interestingly enough, Age to Age ministries, which I had never heard of prior to my research, claims to be a Christian ministry."The 97% of your DNA that's not activated is GOD waiting to be activated in man. You have the information and intelligence of Adam the son of God encoded in your DNA. Access and activation to this information will cause you to live as Adam the God-man in the Garden of your Be-in.

When Divine Nature is completely activated within man, he will be able to naturally transport himself from place to place without the aid of modern transportation. Elijah and Philip in the Bible were only examples of what will become the norm. Jesus said,

As the 97% of unused DNA is activated the 2-Strand double helix becomes a 12 –Strand DNA. Since science doesn't understand the 97%, they don't understand the purpose for the 5 extra pairs of DNA strands (shadow strands).

The 12-Strand DNA represents man coming into his Divineness. Mankind created in the image and likeness of God can be nothing less that God. Every seed must bring forth after its kind. Man is the visible expression of the invisible God. This has been the Creators plan from the beginning to multiply Himself to the point of filling All things.

Organized religion spends time shouting and screaming at their followers convincing them that they are not Gods. It seems to be their mission to deceive their followers into believing they are only human that can not think for themselves. The powers that be realize that if their followers would begin to activate the Divine Nature that would be the end of Organized Religion as we see it today."

I've looked at more of the context of the site...I'm not exactly "shooting them down", NOR saying the person quoted above is right about everything - just suggesting "be careful, check it out, don't just swallow whatever comes along". I realize there are also naysayers on all sides, many with their own agenda, and certainly with their own perspective.

Did you notice this part from the above carefully? "Adherents of these occultic beliefs claim that the inactivated part of our DNA is preventing us from becoming God. They claim we have the divinity and enlightenment of the Adam Kadmon encoded into our DNA. As more and more of us activate this Divine Nature we will corporately become the Adam Kadmon, return to the Garden, and usher in heaven on earth. Is this starting to sound familiar?... It is also what the New Age teaches."