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Now that I think about it, when Mikuru said "It seems that in this space time plane, this is imminent", does she mean

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Going through the humiliations

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Falling in love with Kyon due to his, ahem, kindheartedness?

You mean her line "おそらく、これがこの時間平面上の必然なのでしょうね" after the computer "acquisition" scene? I'd write that as "Most likely, this is an inevitability of this time plane, isn't it?" but anyway, I think she's just referring to the treatment that she was just subjected to, not about Kyon.

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Originally Posted by Thelastguardian

To Sushi-

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I think what Mikuru is about to experience in 2nd volume is going to be much more torturing, both mentally and physically, to her.

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Humiliations aside.

Imagine your body structure gets modified regularly by someone's will just because that someone wants your eyes to emit photon/neutron/whatever he/she thinks up to film a slapstick movie. And the only way to cure that each time is to let an mysterious alien that is magnitude more advance than you can ever understand to inject some god-knows-what nanoparticles into you. All the while you might kill the person you treasure most. The worst thing is you can't say NO, STOP IT! I HAVE ENOUGH to the person or else you risk the destruction of this and your own worlds.

Talk about suckage. No wonder she cried horrible during one of the filming scene.

But Kyon was there with her. I guess that's what pulled her though.

That's true, although Haruhi's treatment of Mikuru in this episode was mean, it was still within the "can be laughed off as a joke" level. Some of the things Haruhi did in volume 2, on the other hand, really begins to push against that "funny/not funny" borderline (although she didn't really mean it). But then again, it all adds to the realism of Haruhi's character, don't you think? Haruhi's not Haruhi unless she's always dashing ahead at full-speed, ignoring all traffic signs.

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Originally Posted by melange

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When Haruhi whacks Mikuru on the back of her neck so that her contacts will 'pop out' and Kyon stops her saying, "Mikuru isn't your toy!", Haruhi responds, "I've decided that Mikuru-chan is my toy!!" Kyon grips his fist and was only stopped from punching Haruhi by Itsuki.

I did not expect the her to actually use words like that and I found myself wanting Kyon to punch her.

Haruhi didn't mean it, of course. Remember, although Haruhi may appear like she's always doing things by her own methods, she's actually a perfectly logical person inside. What makes Haruhi unique is her ability to totally ignore those logics.

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As for reason for the irrisponsible outburst, just like Koizumi told Kyon later, Haruhi wasn't angry because her authority was being challenged, she was angry because she was disappointed, because she believed that Kyon would always be there to support her, that he would be the last person in the world to betray her. And we know that when people feel betrayed, they often let their emotions get the better of them (especially for the impulsive types, like Haruhi). So an irrisponsible comment or two under that condition shouldn't be surprising.

Of course, we don't even know if the anime would even bother to go back to volume 2 again, so maybe we won't get to see that scene at all.

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Haruhi's unconscious jealousness was also something I noted many times and yea I did think that the partial reason for Mikuru-bullying is related to that. Haruhi has shown herself immensely perceptive/sensitive whenever it comes to Kyon and his 'roving eyes', even if its not apparent to either Kyon (nor even Haruhi herself).

Earlier some posters (Sushi-Y was it? I don't remember ) have tried to fit her into the tsundere type but they admit its hard to do so. Haruhi really isn't a traditional tsundere-ko in any sense.

That's right, normal tsunderes have "tsun" and "dere" parts, but in Haruhi's case, it's more like "tsun" and "stealth dere". (That other scene you mentioned above there is a good example of Haruhi's "stealth dere")

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Haruhi actually cares about Kyon more than anyone else. Although she pretends that his opinions mean nothing to her, every now and then, we can catch tiny glimpses here and there showing that she actually does care about Kyon's inputs a great deal, whether consciously or unconsciously. That's Haruhi's "stealth dere". In reverse, Kyon is the same too. He always complains and complains and complains about Haruhi, but deep inside, he really enjoys being with her. Volume 4 should demonstrate this quite well.

Either way, all of this makes Haruhi, and Kyon, even more attractive as characters, don't you think? ^^;

Ah, I should add something about this episode too. Er... um... ah...
Am I the only one who thinks Yuki's hands are very sexy? ^^;;

Eh, I don't think thats a good reasoning/defence for Haruhi's actions.

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To give an example, a terrorist in Iraq just wanted to blow himself up and kill the people in the US ambassy. But just so happens that some innocent people (by-passers) get too near and die as well. The terrorist didn't mean it (to kill innocent bystanders who weren't targeted), but that doesn't mean that he is not to blame for the deaths of those innocents, correct?

And we all know that Haruhi is usually dead serious with what she says. So, while she may not mean to treat Mikuru badly, but she is still serious about treating Mikuru as a toy (which in essence, is the same thing): afterall, we're talking about a girl who has no time for normal people. It isn't beyond believable boundaries to say that she thinks of Mikuru as nothing more as a tool for whatever she wants (episode 2 should be evident enough).

Eh, I don't think thats a good reasoning/defence for Haruhi's actions.

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To give an example, a terrorist in Iraq just wanted to blow himself up and kill the people in the US ambassy. But just so happens that some innocent people (by-passers) get too near and die as well. The terrorist didn't mean it (to kill innocent bystanders who weren't targeted), but that doesn't mean that he is not to blame for the deaths of those innocents, correct?

And we all know that Haruhi is usually dead serious with what she says. So, while she may not mean to treat Mikuru badly, but she is still serious about treating Mikuru as a toy (which in essence, is the same thing): afterall, we're talking about a girl who has no time for normal people. It isn't beyond believable boundaries to say that she thinks of Mikuru as nothing more as a tool for whatever she wants (episode 2 should be evident enough).

That is the duality of the subject matter. Utilitarian will simply either say that a 'greater good' can be generated or that these acts of abuse has no downside from the perspective of the result as to prevent them. On the other hand moralists, relative or absolute will argue to infringements to fundamental 'rules' of these acts are not tolerable/wrong and gains do not take away from the impact of those infringements.

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Strangely enough, creativity is a process that goes after the end gains at any cost. Justification to self becomes the only requirement to fulfill for one to embark on the process. It sounds rather mad but the Pol Pot killing field, the great purge or the burning of Rome become grotesque pieces of 'art' in that sense (and revulting they are to look at...)

That same kind of fire drives Haruhi. Sushi-Y mentioned about how Haruhi's logical inside but defies the logical conclusions. Where have we seen this irl?

Looking at the visage that is yourself proves to be difficult... putting complicity aside there's the burden of arrogance to be answered. To make matters worse shames that adult put shroud/clothes over in silent recognition and to see such ugliness, unabridged and naked...blatently displayed.

In kyon's defense, he has a backbone. As a matter of fact Yuki and Itsuki have that as well. However, to put into context (and not spoil the story) let's just say Haruhi holds significent deterrence in her hands to keep the SOS at bay.

Most of the more better shows only have one or two groups subbing them. MO and Fate only has 2 groups each. Maybe the subbing groups are learning thier lesson about over subbing a series. We don't need to have 5 different groups subbing the same series.

I almost gave this episode 10/10 but since I don't like the excessive glowing effect in Yuki's apartment and the contrast in that scene is abit too high, (the rest is still superb), originally I want to give this 9.5/10 but since it's impossible I rounded it down to 9/10

If I may be a nit-picky here myself, the round about of 9.5 should have been 10. Nontheless, I agree with the grading 9. Only episode 1 deserved a 10 for all the weirdness and the hilarious OP. Too bad the Mikuru-version of the opening song isn't kept through out the series.

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I loved the part where Haruhi locks the clubroom door and Kyon and Mikuru both go "OH ^HIT!!!!" And later when Kyon bails out of the clubroom when he sees Haruhi strating to strip down. LMAO Those scenes were hilarious.

I just watch 1, 2, and 3. I'd read the synopsis a while back and thought it was just wacky comedy, so I was a bit surprised in the first episode when there was a talking cat, and it looked like Itsuki actually used some sort of power.

After watching all 3, visiting here, and rewatching bits of 1, I understood that Yuki beat on Mikuru, because the first time, she actually did use her eye beam, and that was the only time her eye actually changed color. After visiting these forums, and looking at the episode 1 thread, I rewatched the Yuki/Itsuki conversation, with Itsuki's "he" and a knowing look at the cameraman. Mikuru's comments in this episode were very telling, where as her episode 2 comments just added to mystery.

This series is too funny, and more than a bit mysterious as well. It seems to me (I haven't read the novels, so I wouldn't actually know.) that Haruhi herself is aware of the strangeness to the degree that she's endlessly searching for those mysteries, but not the details. Maybe that's part of why she's so short-tempered and frustrated with the common world. Despite her not seeming particularly melancholic outside of Kyon watching her standing around in the 2nd episode, it's in the title, and I don't think it's a ruse. She didn't understand why Yuki physically attacked Mikuru in the first episode. Or why Kyon forced her to repeat that it was a complete work of fiction during the credits, despite Haruhi thinking that she made up a lot of the story her own.

Wow.. words cannot express how sorry I am for Mikuru after this episode.. and it seems to be only a foreshadowing of what is to come (only ep 3), seeing Mikuru crying so pitifully yet accepting her fate? I retract my GTO statement from ep 2, Suzumiya Haruhi is far different... I wonder why Kyon was given Hyperion though. Parallels between the Shrike and Haruhi?

This episode is excellent, as usual. I do feel sorry for Mikuru though. The amount of abuse she is put through would make anyone weep. And Haruhi's efficiency and ruthlessness in achieving her goals make many of our world leaders look like angels in comparison.

I do find the part where Mikuru asks Kyon if he will take her if she can't be a bride rather cute. And of course, Haruhi and Mikuru in bunny girl suits is an automatic win.