On Oct. 6, 2007, Dr. Ryan Olson, director of education policy for the Mackinac Center, was a guest on "The Mitch Albom Show" on WJR 760AM. The discussion focused on a controversy in Saginaw, where a student was promoted from one grade to the next despite failing virtually every class last year. Olson discussed social promotion and how parental choice can ensure that public schools meet the needs of struggling students. The interview is 6 minutes and 25 seconds.