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Ban - NoDebate

Impulse 9

Posted 2012-03-30 @ 20:48

Impulse 9

Donating Officers

Player: NoDebateA2 PID: 4211bd5c6a35707cd8017938b959816eTS3 ID: Length: 24 hour 12 hourReason: Disruptive behavior, bypassing commands intent. Ramboing within mission area. Encouraging disruptive behavior, counter manning tactical play as defined by charter. "He's in game and he was talking to people in a different channel bragging about how he was going to sneak and blow up tanks"

As Requested by Falcon/Remps/WALancer

-- Ban reduced by half, secondary issues with potential broken comms leading to potential confusion on actions in environment.-- Ban length still affected by SOP violations.

NoDebate

Posted 2012-03-30 @ 20:57

My pilot gets kicked for obeying the mission intent. A mission he wrote mind you.

I survive.

I hitch a ride with josh in an AH-6, use a T-10 to join the friendlies and continue the fight.

While riding in the back of one of the Horseman 2's BFVs, I watch the lead vehicle get sniped by an Abrams. Then the one behind it. Then the vehicle in front of ours. I bail out, flee 10 meters, the Bradley I was sitting in, dies.

I survive.

I come up to the Waiting Room to inform Yaxxo that by disobeying the mission intent, the commander has doomed the mission. Mission intent.

I grab Impulse's radio, $tealth, who was... Alive. And a proceed to sit with $tealth behind a rock, try and content surviving elements, and figure out a solution to the Abrams question with an RPG-7 and my M4.

Not sure how that's disruptive, bypassing commands intent, or rambo'ing.

Impulse 9

Posted 2012-03-30 @ 23:18

He asked Remps for permission and Remps said yes, I was there when he told him to.

Odd, when I questioned Remps about this he said, that he did not authorize this and that he would let lancer know.Awaiting more feedback.

I grab Impulse's radio, $tealth, who was... Alive. And a proceed to sit with $tealth behind a rock, try and content surviving elements, and figure out a solution to the Abrams question with an RPG-7 and my M4.

You garbed my Radio? Or did you grab Stealth's radio? If you took stealth's radio that would explain why I was unable to contact my dismount squad for the remainder of the mission that I was still alive for.

This reported ban was processed off of Remp's confirmation from a poke/tell on teamspeak.

Falcon

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 02:06

Falcon

Donating Regulars

Look I disconnected from the mission and moved myself to the waiting room and when I got there you were on the sever hanging out in a different channel talking about how you were going to go lone wolf and try to kill tanks with satchels. This isn't the first time you've done this stuff its not helpful and pretty unbecoming of a regular.

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 04:26

NoDebate

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 05:16

NoDebate

Members

Odd, when I questioned Remps about this he said, that he did not authorize this and that he would let lancer know.Awaiting more feedback.

You garbed my Radio? Or did you grab Stealth's radio? If you took stealth's radio that would explain why I was unable to contact my dismount squad for the remainder of the mission that I was still alive for.

I grabbed the radio off of your (Impulse 9's) corpse. The radio was set to Channel 1. $tealth and I were the lone survivors of the column of 4 (or 5) Bradleys. Seeing as we had Abrams barreling down on us, I hustled $tealth into cover, west of the road, behind a large rock. Militant's section, I believe it was Horseman 1'1, was to our west engaging contacts from the hilltop (about 200 meters out). During my long stay behind the rock (about five minutes), I was relaying contacts to command (the Abrams that were barreling down on us) and otherwise trying to raise command. I held position, in good cover with good view on the next objective, continued to engage infantry at a distance, and continued to try and raise command. If someone saw me go blindly rushing off to destroy some tanks with satchel charges, please stand-up because, I have no recollection of this event (because it didn't happen).

NoDebate

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 05:26

NoDebate

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Look I disconnected from the mission and moved myself to the waiting room and when I got there you were on the sever hanging out in a different channel talking about how you were going to go lone wolf and try to kill tanks with satchels. This isn't the first time you've done this stuff its not helpful and pretty unbecoming of a regular.

You're misinterpreting what I said.

I said and I quote (because I remember exactly what I said), in frustration mind you, "I guess this is my end Yaxxo. I'm going to go try and kill some Abrams. I have a satchel charge. Think I can do it?" To which Vfef responds, "You're NoDebate, of course you can." At which I laugh and return to the in-game channel. Now, no offense intended but, could you not read the tone of voice behind those words? If you can't, I understand, and that's quite alright. And that explains the misunderstanding! Now, I was not only frustrated at how the mission turned out but, I was looking to give Yaxxo some retribution for how his mission was turning out (as, he didn't have a very bright experience). So I can't come up to the channel and shoot the shit at him as everyone is dying around me? Personally, I felt the sarcasm (spurred on by retribution and my own impended doom) was appropriate for the situation. However, given how it's playing out, perhaps I need rethink that.

Secondly, yes you are correct. I go out of my way to exploit flanks and weaknesses of the enemy and more often than not get results. However, that is in TVTs. And that is under the direction of the person in charge. We were playing a co-op (and AI admittedly have much better awareness than players in certain cases) and I didn't have an opening. So why would I take it? Logical not to I think. It would seem that, instead of running out in the open and dying to a trio of Abrams, the best action was to take cover and radio command. I can appreciate your attempts to ban me when I "Rambo" and lone wolf but please, please. Ban me for "Rambo'ing" and lone wolfing when I actually do it.

Yaxxo

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 06:14

Yaxxo

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LocationNetherlands

So, in the waiting room, nodebate told me that he was hiding behind a burning bradley, and there was an abrams coming up, and he was just going to plant a satchel because it was his only option to kill it, he was pretty much a dead man. It's understandable that if one will die anyways, they'll try and take an enemy abrams with them

Josh Hair

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 06:15

Josh Hair

Members

I understand a ban is a ban, but an event is being GM'd by said person in question. Could the parties involved discuss this in teamspeak/skype and try and resolve this issue to avoid possibly damaging the event.

Sickly

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 07:29

Sickly

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Odd, when I questioned Remps about this he said, that he did not authorize this and that he would let lancer know.Awaiting more feedback.

You garbed my Radio? Or did you grab Stealth's radio? If you took stealth's radio that would explain why I was unable to contact my dismount squad for the remainder of the mission that I was still alive for.

This reported ban was processed off of Remp's confirmation from a poke/tell on teamspeak.

Remps is completely unreliable. He was unable to get in contact with the majority of his forces so he was raging nearly the entire time. I would know, I was with him the whole mission.

I'll tell the story of when Remps gave Nodebate permission to kill an enemy tank if he had the chance.

I was the medic, yet I was being used to ferry Remps around in a car to give the squads orders because he decided to give up on his radio for some reason. When we drove into town I found Nodebate standing by a friendly squad. I then asked him what he was doing here since he had a crewman uniform on. He said that he was able to eject from his helo before it crashed when Yaxxo was banned from the server. Remps and I then drove up hill about 100 to link up with Ironman and his Bradley. Nodebate followed us up there because he wanted a ride with us. As we were mounting up Nodebate asked for a ride and Remps said that was fine. On the way back to the center of town Nodebate specifically said " hey Remps, I have satchels and and an rpg, we are going against a company of tanks, can I kill a few with it if I get a chance?" Remps laughed and said sure whatever. I was then ordered to give Huska a ride to repair his Apache so they dismounted to meet up with friendlies.That was the last I saw of either of them. The mission ended about 15 minutes later.

Remps told Nodebate that he could take the rpg and kill tanks, it was either that or we die. I understand that Remps was mad and he may have given him the go ahead while he was busy so he wasn't really thinking about what he was saying, but he did give him permission.

I have nothing against Remps, but as a GM I hope you give my account more credibility than a commander who was clearly very angry that all of his forces where killed and that he couldn't get in touch with anyone the whole game.

I only ask that the ban be ended before his event, considering how questionable it is.

NoDebate

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 10:24

NoDebate

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It's also been discussed and brought up that ACRE Radios have been working inconsistently recent of late, which would explain why I couldn't hear Remps on the 148 and why Remps could not hear me on the radio.

Which, would logically explain why I did not hear any of the inquiries or warnings over the radio about my position relative to the rest of the platoon (minus the destroyed Horseman BFVs).

BloodBane611

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 12:19

BloodBane611

Members

LocationSan Jose, CA

This ban is silly. It should be reversed immediately.

Fog of war is the very definition of combat simulation, going off plan when CO can't be contacted/appears to condone it should be expected. It doesn't appear that NoDebate actually ramboed at all, except from the perception of two people who had no eyes on the actual situation.

Shit happens. Deal with it. People make jokes, next time you (Falcon) hear something spurious, just ask. How much does it cost you to give the benefit of the doubt to a regular and ask what is going on?

Sickly

Posted 2012-03-31 @ 12:44

From the start of the mission the first platoon stopped responding on the company net.

I then processed to hurd the infantry and bradleys to continue and engage the enemy front.

I did give huska permission to drive to the airfield grab a repair vech and repair the down apache.

I did not give nodebate the 'ok' 'go ahead' 'sure whatever'. As a regular you should know better then to go off and rambo.

I never said that you told him to go rambo, because you didn't. I said that he told you he had an rpg and satchels and he asked if it was ok if he killed some tanks with them if given the chance. Nodebate never ran off on his own to go behind enemy lines and kill the enemy, he was always with friendly forces even though he didn't have a squad to stick with.

The only reason you had to ban him was your own frustration with your capability to lead. Next time don't let your personal feelings get in the way if you know that he was doing nothing wrong.