The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.

Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.

Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.

Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.

Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

I didn't get the point of not retaining him for a decent value.

He was so valued by the rest of the league he got a two year deal from the Jags. It was his job description to take on double teams. I guarantee you when teams were passing with Miller and McCoy in the game together, the line slid to McCoy's side to double team him. Miller is just another guy. He was okay last year which was ironically a contract year, but was pushed around at NT the previous years. I would give a lot more credit to the rush defense being improved by the play of Bennett, McCoy, and David more so then Miller.

Its pretty simple why the Bucs didn't resign Miller even though he would have been cheap. It is pretty obvious they don't want to dress anymore then 4 DTs on game day. They seem much more inclined to drop a DE inside on passing downs. In my opinion, there was no need to have both Gibson and Miller on the roster. They both offered pretty much the same ability. Looks like the organization preferred Gibson.

The other thing I didn't get was letting Roy miller walk either. He was a quality DT next to McCoy and him and Gibson could have rotated and all we needed was an UT that can rotate and rush the qb.

Stop about Roy Miller, he is just another guy. I don't love his 1 1/2 career sacks. He played well at NT for one year, not great. Roy Miller can be replaced, I'm sorry he seemed like a good guy, but he is a marginal defensive linemen. McCoy made him a better player, not vice versa.

Think you're undervaluing miller. He also took on some double teams as well. While he wasn't the best pass rusher he did a lot of work that would free up McCoy in one on ones.

I didn't get the point of not retaining him for a decent value.

He was so valued by the rest of the league he got a two year deal from the Jags. It was his job description to take on double teams. I guarantee you when teams were passing with Miller and McCoy in the game together, the line slid to McCoy's side to double team him. Miller is just another guy. He was okay last year which was ironically a contract year, but was pushed around at NT the previous years. I would give a lot more credit to the rush defense being improved by the play of Bennett, McCoy, and David more so then Miller.

Its pretty simple why the Bucs didn't resign Miller even though he would have been cheap. It is pretty obvious they don't want to dress anymore then 4 DTs on game day. They seem much more inclined to drop a DE inside on passing downs. In my opinion, there was no need to have both Gibson and Miller on the roster. They both offered pretty much the same ability. Looks like the organization preferred Gibson.

Either that or they go 3 down lineman like they did many times last year that generated zero pass rush.

Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.

Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.

True, but for what Miller got on the market, he was still a quality run stopper. We still need to get a DT that can come in rotation and rush the passer, and also a DE because both guys are unproven DEs. I still think our problem was depth. No one could really come in and spell McCoy as a pass rusher last year.

Roy Miller didn't do too much before Schiano, Bucs don't ask a ton out their NT, he's a two down player, Gibson showed he could do the same job when playing and interested in Landri probably don't see dropoff there.

True, but for what Miller got on the market, he was still a quality run stopper. We still need to get a DT that can come in rotation and rush the passer, and also a DE because both guys are unproven DEs. I still think our problem was depth. No one could really come in and spell McCoy as a pass rusher last year.

true, i mean is it risk? sure because you're losing a guy who is a solid run stopper for a guy making less who you think can do the same. But if Landri/Gibson are good, there's no room for miller. But agreed, I'd like to add one more DT who can get some pressure. I wouldn't call our DEs totally unproven, I think both can play, just more unproven they can stay healthy.

Another RT prospect with long arms. Painter finally got a chance to start this season and he had some impressive moments. He has some quick feet and he has really generated a good amount of buzz this offseason. He could serve as valuable depth/competition for Dotson._________________

DJ Hayden had his own private workout in Houston yesterday. While Darrelle Revis was holding a press conference at OBP, we sent our DB coaches down to Houston to put Hayden through the workout. Revis is a tremendous asset, but our CB situation is bad enough that we may opt to address the position again early in the draft.

Hayden may be the hottest prospect leading up to the draft. He suffered a freak injury that is normally fatal last season during a practice, but now that he has been given a clean bill of health it seems that nearly every draft pundit is on his bandwagon. At this point we would need to trade up for him. With Revis in the fold would we really do that? I wouldn't bet against it._________________

here's my rankings, a few thoughts:
-definitely strongest in the trenches in this draft
-deep at WR and corner but no for sure guy worth a top ten pick at either position
-there's talent at the QB position, just a lot of questions. overall poor class, because of the risk - but there will be some starters out of this group
-I wouldn't pick a RB till the mid second at earliest, there's some depth in the RB class but no one really worth a high pick

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From the looks of your cb rankings you aren't on the Hayden train and wouldn't draft him until the mid 2nd at the earliest?

I have the corners ranked 5-10 really closely, I don't think Poyer is going to go as high as I have him ranked. I'd welcome Hayden at 43 overall, but I would't be totally crazy about it.

I like Brown and Williams, I'd rather would trade up for Williams I think he's the better player - Brown is a first half second rounder/possible fourth for me. I think MLB is not as big of a need as DT.

I'm not sure how Robert Woods became so underrated as of late. Would he be a #1, probably not but I think he will excel in the slot and as a #2. I just hope Freeman excels so we can pick BPA next year as I would love to get someone like Marqise Lee._________________

I don't watch a lot of college football (blasphemy I know), but how come it always seems like prospects from Alabama have some sort of injury concern:
Milliner: shoulder
Lacy: hamstring/knee
Williams: knee

Richardson and Ingram had concerns too. Same with Barron.

Time heals all wounds but this seems more than coincidence... _________________