Re: MSDS Methane gases ..INCOMPATIBLE with oxygenanne October 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm Log in to Reply Part of the commentary below

Cracks and fissures are opening up on the sea floor over an area of several miles. A number of "pock marks" have appeared on the sea floor as far as 20 miles away from the original Macondo blow out. Oil and methane gas is escaping from areas that have never even been drilled.

"Frighteningly, these fissures appear to be growing and connecting with each other. The methane pock marks are growing in size. Even worse, the weakened sea floor is being heaved up into a massive, fracturing, mound. A geological time bomb, previously locked away under miles of rock, has been disturbed. Evidence is pointing to the very grim possibility that a methane gas bubble, 15 to 20 miles in diameter, could indeed rupture the sea floor and escape with unimaginable violence.

"John Kessler of Texas A & M University, said "This is the most vigorous methane eruption in modern history". The oil contains 40% methane – much higher than the usual 5%. The USGS claims that 2,900 cubic feet of gas is accompanying each barrel of oil from the well – also much higher than usual…." [link to www.youtube.com]

,,October 10, 2012 at 4:39 pm Log in to Reply Here is a video as to the 100,000 psi under the gulf and talking about cracks on top of the gulf floor horendous gas explosion mt saint helens underwater that would blast out of the Gulf and Tidal waves 600 MPH across the Gulf

Just like with the Macondo and Fukushima debacles, it seems that the entire approach to what is happening at Bayou Corne is largely a hit and miss conundrum.

There ARE no precedents, so, there is no definitive way to handle something of this magnitude.

The ironic, sad, and, perhaps criminally negligent part of all this, is that long before industry 'advanced' to the point where shit can and will hit the fan, the warnings were in place--just ignored, for, if heeded, industry would have had to abandon their money-making ventures altogether.

So, here we have a very, very serious problem before us, one that is growing expotentially with each new facet of discovery in an ever-widening geographic area, all of which points to a very perilous situation that can never be corrected. Ever.

And, with each new day, we will be hearing about some new technique that shall be tried--which will ultimately fail, and, some new report discounting that all of these things are in any way connected, or, as troublesome as we imagine. Meanwhile, domes are still being mined, chemicals are still being stored, prospective wells are still being drilled for while others continue to compromise the geological structure of the landmasses they are extracting from.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it."

Nothing will change until something really, really bad happens, that cannot be denied. Unfortunately, just as we've seen in the wake of the really, really bad and continuing debacles at both Fukushima and Macondo: even then, it still gets denied.

If EVER something cataclysmic occurs in the region, I have this feeling that we will hear that some undetected meteor or weapon hit the region as the cause of the event.

And, as we hurry to help the survivors, and, sort it all out, even then, behind the scenes, it will be business as usual.

Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that thesinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small partof this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is thatTexas Brine did not conform to established engineering standardswhen they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: theywashed away too much of the salt structure from the sidesof the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structureto the point of causing collapse (which in turn putsthe entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with thissalt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decidedto seep its way to the surface -- and it is this naturalgas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, whichis leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.

Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that thesinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small partof this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is thatTexas Brine did not conform to established engineering standardswhen they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: theywashed away too much of the salt structure from the sidesof the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structureto the point of causing collapse (which in turn putsthe entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with thissalt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decidedto seep its way to the surface -- and it is this naturalgas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, whichis leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.

Quoting: dr.einstein

Also, keep in mind the extensive geology of the entire area.

Few people here have spoken about the Louann Salt basin, which extends into the gulf and up through a number of states, all of which sit ON TOP OF these deposits.

Everything that I have read about this speaks of the questionable integrity of these salt deposits in the face of degradation from drilling breeches, land movement, and other factors.

Imagine what happens once the salt washes away...you have holes. Not only do you have cavities and dome wall breeches, you have spaces where stored chemicals are not longer contained, and the reverse, where free methane and oil can come up to the surface from the strata below.

This is like a ginormous, deep pan of many volatile substances under pressure, all looking to expand up and outwards until their pressure is relieved.

But, if I am reading this correctly, it is THE LOUANN SALT which is first compromised here. As this deposit continues to dissolve away, the perilous situation expands exponentially.

Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that thesinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small partof this whole thing.

the fundamental problem with the "cavern" is thatTexas Brine did not conform to established engineering standardswhen they were harvesting the brine from the cavern: theywashed away too much of the salt structure from the sidesof the cavern and thereby weakened the cavern structureto the point of causing collapse (which in turn putsthe entire Napoleanville Salt Dome complex in jeopardy)

the MOST HUGE part of the problem is that coincidentally with thissalt dome fiasco, a deep reservoir of natural gas has decidedto seep its way to the surface -- and it is this naturalgas which coincidentally filled the Texas Brine "cavern".

But! more importantly, all of this natural gas, whichis leaking up from a reservoir deep in the earth's crust,is ALSO saturating all of the ground in southern louisiana --and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.

Quoting: dr.einstein

Also, keep in mind the extensive geology of the entire area.

Few people here have spoken about the Louann Salt basin, which extends into the gulf and up through a number of states, all of which sit ON TOP OF these deposits.

Everything that I have read about this speaks of the questionable integrity of these salt deposits in the face of degradation from drilling breeches, land movement, and other factors.

Imagine what happens once the salt washes away...you have holes. Not only do you have cavities and dome wall breeches, you have spaces where stored chemicals are not longer contained, and the reverse, where free methane and oil can come up to the surface from the strata below.

This is like a ginormous, deep pan of many volatile substances under pressure, all looking to expand up and outwards until their pressure is relieved.

But, if I am reading this correctly, it is THE LOUANN SALT which is first compromised here. As this deposit continues to dissolve away, the perilous situation expands exponentially.

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I have gathered a few maps and info, if anyone is interested.

Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

well, evacuating all of southern lousiana for the next 100 years, until the gas dissipates, is disaster enough for me.

Folks. don't lose sight of the fact that thesinkhole-and-cavern problem is only a small partof this whole thing....

...and it is this "natural gas problem" that is the catastrophic component of the whole situation.

Quoting: dr.einstein

Also, keep in mind the extensive geology of the entire area.

Few people here have spoken about the Louann Salt basin, which extends into the gulf and up through a number of states, all of which sit ON TOP OF these deposits...

... As this deposit continues to dissolve away, the perilous situation expands exponentially.

==================== I have gathered a few maps and info, if anyone is interested.

Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

well, evacuating all of southern lousiana for the next 100 years, until the gas dissipates, is disaster enough for me.

Quoting: dr.einstein

I know what you mean.

But, what would it take for such an order? I don't see it happening at this point; they aren't anywhere near declaring a widespread(ing) disaster area, even as the sinkhole(s) continues to spread...while new ones appear elsewhere.

I've seen the failing trees, the water between stands which have yet to fall, roads 'dissolving' before our eyes, and, the pockets where people are getting sick.

No one is going to order an evacuation unless some undeniable tragedy occurs, which manages to set off an alarm which will not turn off.

well, evacuating all of southern lousiana for the next 100 years, until the gas dissipates, is disaster enough for me.

Quoting: dr.einstein

I know what you mean.

But, what would it take for such an order? I don't see it happening at this point; they aren't anywhere near declaring a widespread(ing) disaster area, even as the sinkhole(s) continues to spread...while new ones appear elsewhere.

I've seen the failing trees, the water between stands which have yet to fall, roads 'dissolving' before our eyes, and, the pockets where people are getting sick.

No one is going to order an evacuation unless some undeniable tragedy occurs, which manages to set off an alarm which will not turn off.

Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

well, keep in mind that i am talking about natural gassaturating ALL of the ground in southern louisiana.

this catastrophe is just now getting started. and Bayou Cornejust happens to be "ground zero".

there is natural gas starting to percolate out of the ground all around Assumption Parish right now... so,maybe you can see how this thing might grow and growuntil the natural gas engulfs all of southern louisiana (including New Orleans)

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