I think that this was a good debate, but it has definitely reached its end.(Unless someone comes up with some fresh arguments(especially the uhuru sceptics, because like i said earlier they only criticise other peoples views without sticking their own necks out) Only time will tell now. May God bless our beautiful country.

During the last month or so there has been at least 3 reports of ATM bombers robbing ATM's in groups of 20+. The one instance it was a group of THIRTY(!). To me acts like these doesn't fit the definition of crime, but terrorism or guerrilla warfare. In SA a ATM gets blown up almost every day. Our legal system will battle with handling a case with 30 accused. Sounds like a job for the army. Terrorists rule SA and its getting worse. Xenophobia is getting out of hand as a result of Mbeki's quiet diplomacy. Food prices are on the increase. A hungry mob is an an angry mob!

To me acts like these doesn't fit the definition of crime, but terrorism or guerrilla warfare.

Sheesh, how silly of me! There I was, thinking that a pretty strong case could be made for ATMs being blown up not as acts of rebellion and/or wanton property destruction, but for the rather more seedy purpose of getting at the cash stored inside.

Xenophobia is getting out of hand as a result of Mbeki's quiet diplomacy.

I’m a little confused here. I understand that Mbeki could have approached many things quite differently to the greater benefit of all, but you’ll need to clarify how his political conduct condones or encourages xenophobia.

Once again the 'suidlanders' have managed to cause an outburst of emotion. I sit here and wonder if The Dude did his homework. If you need to have a controversial outlook, all you need to do is google (Suidlanders, Tanya, Du Dreez, Gustav Muller). Sit back and discover that there is a wolf in sheeps clothing. When you're not looking and you are comfortable... this wolf will jump up and bite you in the ass.I too believe there is trouble brewing... but I will check out who is going to lead me to the promised land. Before you debate this subject you need to make sure you have done some serious research. The "Suidlanders" are just sheep, looking for a safe haven. It is with prejudice that I even mention this topic. Dude... look around before you dis someones opinion.You are being lead around by the nose.... as the saying goes... the blind leadiing the blind!!!!! It is a joke!

OOPS... And you think URuru is stupid. I answered before I even read the balance of pages. LOL Dumb!To the suidlander supporters.... How dare you place God in the same post as Suidlander. Logically, they read from a totally different bible to the one I grew up with. You know the one... love one another... thou shalt not... and all that other stuff! The pharisees and the harlots didn't sit around the same table in the bible, and they don't sit around the same table now. The leadership of Suidlanders give the impression that they are the chosen yet they will crucify anyone who goes up against them. They will then shout... PROPAGANDA. Believe me when I tell you that I found more of God in a bar, than in the Suuidlanders. I do believe the scriptures are clear.... Judge and you shall be judged. That is all I have to say on this matter... as I have done my homework, and yes, that wolf did jump up and bite me in the ass, along with a couple of vampire sheep, who spew scripture out as though it were for a blood buffet! And yes, I expect the worst and hope for the best, And yes I know more than I am prepared to say... and yes It may blow up in my face... But that is okay! I have endured worse... and I don't piss like a puppy. So I am sorry for all the fools who are looking for a leader of Christian standing... You're going to be looking for a long time!