They are the same. The 650 is not compatible with either. If you never intend to use the remote, then just get the hub. However I think you're going to find that phone/tablet control gets old fast.

You can control a PS3 from any universal remote via a cheap ($12) dongle like a Nyko Bluwave. So if that's the only reason you're considering the hub, you can get by with just a common IR remote like the 650.

Also consider that an IR controllable BD player runs around $40, far less than any bluetooth capable remote system. In that case, you'd just use the PS3 for gaming, and no remote control would be required. The PS3 appears to be the main reason you have to resort to expensive control options.

Thanks for the info. I have a blumoo and a Flirc dongel but I could never get to work on the PS3. You are right about the Ipad option.It does get old fast. I would like to have a remote. The PS3 I use it more for movies than gaming. I also have a Amazon Dot. I don't really care about the voice commands but whatever I get if it has that feature I would at least try it. The priority is getting all of gear on one remote.

Well I have decided to go with the Harmony 650. It will be able to control everything I have except the PS3. I will at least be down to 2 remotes. I am going to try and figure out the Flirc dongel that I have. I did look at some other Blueray players and that might be an option as well. I need the player to be receive IR signals and be 3D as well.

I have a update if anyone wants to know how I solved my PS3 issue. I have the 650 remote and I found a Harmony Adapter (Not a Harmony HUB) on ebay for around 30 Bucks. It works perfectly with the Harmony 650. Thanks for all of the advice.

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