No but either is our fire mage. Because neither of us are at that gear level. I'm not in a 10/13 H guild. I'm in a 4/13 H guild. I just joined, and we've been having recruiting issues. So I don't really have a lot of heroic gear yet, or the i600 cloak just yet.

I mean your singling out one of two fights that I underperform as arcane. Durumu and lei shen, and lei shen I do pretty well because of the aoe. Otherwise durumu is the only fight i'd say I don't do "fine" at.

However most other fights I can compete with our fire mage except maybe council? Also our fire mage has 8 more ilvls than me, overall we end up pretty close dps wise, if not me beating him...So..

I also picked Durumu because T16 is supposedly more movement heavy than T15 is.

We aren't doing h ji-kun 25 yet lol. Since we haven't had the people. Theres not really any wol fights you linked I can compare since we've been doing normal ji-kun rather than heroic.

While you did pull 230k on durumu is that a weekly thing or just a really really good parse? Because fire obviously because of rng can have a really good parse, that's out of the normal dps spectrum for a fire mage.

While you did pull 230k on durumu is that a weekly thing or just a really really good parse? Because fire obviously because of rng can have a really good parse, that's out of the normal dps spectrum for a fire mage.

That's pretty par for the course. I switched to 5036 Haste -> Mastery for this week, and had a marginal increase in DPS, but I'm nearly at 18k crit rating so the "RNG" aspect is nearly gone.

Can you at least post your best fights vs the fire mage? I'm sure I can still pull useful information out of it.

Not to discredit your performance - at all. Looking over your logs it looks like you do very well at a glance for Arcane.

That being said, as I suspected the fire mage in your guild doesn't put up the numbers his character is capable of, which I think may have artificially boosted arcane's perceived performance. That being said, you are doing much more than our Frost mage (also why I asked for your logs) is doing on a lot of those fights.

Close this thread please... since there are fire nerf's on ptr this make no sence...

Or rename it to "Fire nerfs on PTR" lol

Originally Posted by Scerick

Thank you Vynestra.

Not to discredit your performance - at all. Looking over your logs it looks like you do very well at a glance for Arcane.

That being said, as I suspected the fire mage in your guild doesn't put up the numbers his character is capable of, which I think may have artificially boosted arcane's perceived performance. That being said, you are doing much more than our Frost mage (also why I asked for your logs) is doing on a lot of those fights.

I must say you are basically a full tier of gear ahead of me (13 ilvls) While you seem to do very well, I believe if I had your kind of gear, I could be pulling really high numbers as well, I wouldn't be pulling 230k on durumu no. But I would say I could throw up very competitive numbers on other fights.

I think arcane can compete with fire, top mages have said that overall their dps is about the same. Fire just seems to be more popular really. I don't think it's a question of if arcane can compete this tier, it's a question of if arcane can compete NEXT tier.

EDIT: Also I used to be fire, and switched to arcane because I just couldn't pull the numbers I needed, I can't be 100% amazing at fire, I find I do better dps as arcane. Fire has a higher skill cap in the rotation and more rng, where arcane is important to do your rotation correctly, arcane is more about minimizing your movement. Which I can do better than maximizing fire's skill cap dps.

I must say you are basically a full tier of gear ahead of me (13 ilvls) While you seem to do very well, I believe if I had your kind of gear, I could be pulling really high numbers as well, I wouldn't be pulling 230k on durumu no. But I would say I could throw up very competitive numbers on other fights.

I think arcane can compete with fire, top mages have said that overall their dps is about the same. Fire just seems to be more popular really. I don't think it's a question of if arcane can compete this tier, it's a question of if arcane can compete NEXT tier.

Yep, completely agree. Unless something crazy changes for Arcane I have a sneaky suspicion that the gap will narrow or Arcane may even slightly pull ahead.

Like I said at a first glance you definitely put up some good numbers, especially for your iLvL. I mainly wanted to see your logs to see what the Fire mage was doing (you are by far the better mage).

Would love to chat sometime, in real time to theorycraft if you're up for it, PM me your battle tag and I'll add you when I get home.

So have we missed the "spell change" phase of the PTR? I mean, is there still hope they will change some of our spells or do we only have the number twicking patch to look forward to? Looking at the patch note mages have gotten the least amount of attention, no question about it. Still hoping for a lvl 90 talent redesign.