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Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

Took the words right out of my mouth blanche. These are my exact feelings as well. This exchange is about nothing but respect. Both hyuk and ha-il and murim at large simply lack this toward shioon. Shioon doesn't mean to come of as arrogant when he displays his new found strength. No offense but murim culture simply doesn't entertain weaklings. Shioon knows this. Its okay to be nice but nice alone just doesn't cut it. Murim listens only to 'strong'. In order to connect to his own underlings like ha-il (who grossly disrespects him) and to influencial murim people (whose disrespectful sentiments hyuk represents) shioon has to show strength.

Shioon had to pick this fight guys. He has to show murim power so that they can deal with him on equal standing. Hyuk's the guy for the job because of the respect and admiration he commands in murim and his history with shioon.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

I understand why people think Shioon is digging the Sunwoo clan in a bigger hole by fighting Hyuk but I agree with Blanche that is trying to get Hyuk acknowledgment once again not revenge.
Also in response to Blaise I also agree because of Hyuk influence people will start to acknowledge the Sunwoo clan and maybe even see them in a new light since they didn't outright kill Hyuk since he is a figurehead in the M.A.A. and Heavenly Way School which have been "sworn" enemies of the Sunwoo clan.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

well there are a lot of clans that is already in Sunwoo's aid

Milyang , One Moon but i think all of then doesn't have a fighting capability but more that logistics support

but what i really don't like is Smug Face using it to save face on what happen between him and Shioon because if Hyuk accepted to be friends with Sunwoo Shioon can't get revenge on Smug Face because it will break the friendship of the 2 clans

and also what if this happen already?

what if Elder Kwon and the former Gaju accepted a truce between Chundomoon and got ambushed insted ? i think this will happen if Hyuk accepted a truce between Sunwoo maybe Smug Face and Mustache butler will use it as their advantage

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

Milyang , One Moon but i think all of then doesn't have a fighting capability but more that logistics support

but what i really don't like is Smug Face using it to save face on what happen between him and Shioon because if Hyuk accepted to be friends with Sunwoo Shioon can't get revenge on Smug Face because it will break the friendship of the 2 clans

and also what if this happen already?

what if Elder Kwon and the former Gaju accepted a truce between Chundomoon and got ambushed insted ? i think this will happen if Hyuk accepted a truce between Sunwoo maybe Smug Face and Mustache butler will use it as their advantage

Shioon can't declare war on chundomoon but he can give Hyuk some incite on the
corrupt members of his clan (smug face & mustache) it would be Hyuk mission to fix his clan

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by bighawke5

Hyuk is not involved with SUC, it's his uncle aka smug face who is along with their elder who has slick black hair. Plus Shion has no idea smug face is related to hyuk so he won't even make that connection.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Spoiler Thread

he knows that Chundomoon is backing SUC up but he didn't know who in Chundomoon because the only guy he know about Chundomoon is Hyuk and when he got hostaged by Smug Face he didn't know that he was from Chundomoon but Smug Face said that they are from MMA so Shioon can't make a connection yet

but what i really want to see is this

Hyuk lost the fight or a draw and Shioon asked him to look who the SUC are because Elder Kwon said that he fought with one using a high level Chundomoon tech

and then Hyuk agree to help Sunwoo enter MMA like as a member of MMA council and there Shioon will meet and surprise Smug Face and maybe Shioon will be arrogant like and tell the whole council that Smug Face tries to kill him before because he attack Sunwoo Clan HQ

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Spoiler Thread

he may know that SUC is connected to Heavenly way school, but he didn't even know who smug face was or who he was related to since the only person Shioon know from that school is Hyuk.

Now he can't just blame Hyuk since that would be prejudice, hence my point that he has not connected Hyuk with SUC yet to even get angry about it to fuel his determination.

Hyuk with his super sheltered life will be ignorant until Shioon fights smug face in front of him and maybe then it'll be revealed to him what has been happening...

It's kind of funny when you think about it, the sheltered-bubble life that Hyuk has is something Sunwho elders were planning for Shioon(until he de-iced their hearts), basically to treat him like a caged bird.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

I think that the way elder kwon easily recognized chundomoon school techniques from jegal is the very same way shioon will recognize smug face as chundomoon if/when they fight again. Maybe this is another reason for this fight between him and hyuk. So that when he fights smugface later he will recognize chundomoon techniques.

Once all's said and done and hyuk finally respects shioon as an equal, it'll be easy for shioon to approach him later discreetly and expose smug face and jegal as a corrupt faction of chundomoon. Then they can plan and act together confidently since each one of them can vouch for the other's integrity. Similarly, shioon and/or hyuk can have a face to face with MMA's kangsung and expose smug face.

I think I said this before but one of shioon's greatest assets in this fight with suc is the fact that he makes a powerful impression on people who'll later be very useful to him. The best case I can think of is Kangsung. Smug face's attempts to discredit shioon before MMA fell flat because of the impression kangsung has of shioon. The same thing will happen when smugface tries to discredit shioon before hyuk. But first shioon needs to put the fear of God in hyuk while at the same time convince him that power never corrupts him.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

Hopefully, next week we'll see something much better. But I must say it was disappointing to see that Shioon couldn't even react to Hyuk's punch.

Anyway, I do think that Shioon's fight against Hyuk wasn't something calculated and well-thought by Shioon. Because;

1. He'll definitely leave an impression on Hyuk but Shioon will not be able to defeat him in a fair fight (at least not yet).

2. For all he knows, Hyuk is backing SUC so why face him so early and reveal that he has recovered his Ki center? He took the element of surprise out of the question in a future fight against SUC.

3. Elders wanted to keep Shioon under wraps until they decide who to trust with the whole body rebirth situation. On the other hand, Hyuk is sharp enough to see that Shioon's presence changed significantly. So, why risk another showdown of Alliance vs Sunwoo by possibly leaking his current physical situation?

All in all, what does Shioon really expect from this duel? I he loses, he reveals his current condition to a potential enemy and he could even experience humiliation in his home turf. I he wins only after couple of days worth of meditation, then there will be no one else in the world to stand up to him after meditating a week or so. Then the rest of the story simply becomes meaningless. Furthermore, Ha ill and Jinie would want to keep this duel secret and Hyuk wouldn't go around and say Shioon handed his *ss over to him even if he lost. So, even if Shioon wins this duel, it doesn't increase his murim-cred since there is no third-party audience.

In summary, the only logical explanation for this duel would be Shioon's eagerness to test his new body. But why not do it against a Sunwoo retainer like Ha ill, Gyi Bum, Elder Kwon etc first? And if he really wanted to fight Hyuk, he could send him a message to meet up in a week or so.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

Compared to what you guys come up with, my guess is very simple. I think Shioon only wants to test himself out and give Hyuk a proper fight while getting the proper respect he and his opponent deserve. For some reason I get this impression that it is disrespectful in Murim to not give your all on a proper duel between equals.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by kidopitz27

he knows that Chundomoon is backing SUC up but he didn't know who in Chundomoon because the only guy he know about Chundomoon is Hyuk and when he got hostaged by Smug Face he didn't know that he was from Chundomoon but Smug Face said that they are from MMA so Shioon can't make a connection yet

but what i really want to see is this

Hyuk lost the fight or a draw and Shioon asked him to look who the SUC are because Elder Kwon said that he fought with one using a high level Chundomoon tech

and then Hyuk agree to help Sunwoo enter MMA like as a member of MMA council and there Shioon will meet and surprise Smug Face and maybe Shioon will be arrogant like and tell the whole council that Smug Face tries to kill him before because he attack Sunwoo Clan HQ

also gonna add the even Elder Kwon doesn't know who Smug Face is at the time he order the attack on MMA and it is also weird that those who accompany Smug Face didn't even tell Kang-Sung what happen in Sunwoo HQ i mean they saw that Smug Face tries to kill the Sunwoo Gaju and also tries to spar with an Elder and got pawned and telling Kang-Sung that he was treated badly

also in the next few chapters i think that this fight was also planned by Sera and Shioon i think after the fight Shioon and Hyuk will talk about SUC or even Shioon , Hyuk, Sunwoo Elders , Gyu-Bum will have a meeting about SUC and Elder Kwon will tell that one of SUC members is using a highlevel Chundomoon tech and maybe Gyu-Bum will give some photos of the Captains of SUC to Hyuk and notice Cool Guy (spinning dragon tech looks like the tech used by Jegal aka mustache butler)

and Hyuk will make a connection why he was called in Sunwoo HQ for Shioon to confirm if he is also from SUC which is not or is it?

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

@AshCandyPop

I wouldn't actually call this duel 'proper'. Shioon, chose and imposed his home turf for the fight. I believe that's partially why Hyuk was disappointed. He thought maybe Shioon was trying to get the upper hand and pressure him by fighting at Sunwoo HQ. In other words, he thinks Shioon is now relying on his status and influence as the Gaju rather than his own spirit. So, even before the fight started, Shioon lost some respect in Hyuk's eyes.

I don't think this fight was about respect at all, especially from the author's point of view. Hyuk is probably the one that respects Shioon most in the entire murim. He already regards Shioon as 'superhuman' based on the spirit. Furthermore, I don't think the author is giving much thought to respect Shioon receives. Even Ha ill, who was KO'd by Shioon and witnessed so many instances of his pride as Sunwoo Gaju, still calls him a brat. So, I wonder if Shioon could win Ha ill's respect even if he defeats Hyuk.

By the way, I don't think Sera have ulterior motives for this fight either. She didn't even know the history between Hyuk and Shioon. So I don't think she would gamble on Shioon's life based on nothing.

Re: The Breaker : New Waves 132 Discussion / 133 Predictions

Originally Posted by braveheart655

@AshCandyPop

I wouldn't actually call this duel 'proper'. Shioon, chose and imposed his home turf for the fight. I believe that's partially why Hyuk was disappointed. He thought maybe Shioon was trying to get the upper hand and pressure him by fighting at Sunwoo HQ. In other words, he thinks Shioon is now relying on his status and influence as the Gaju rather than his own spirit. So, even before the fight started, Shioon lost some respect in Hyuk's eyes.

I don't think this fight was about respect at all, especially from the author's point of view. Hyuk is probably the one that respects Shioon most in the entire murim. He already regards Shioon as 'superhuman' based on the spirit. Furthermore, I don't think the author is giving much thought to respect Shioon receives. Even Ha ill, who was KO'd by Shioon and witnessed so many instances of his pride as Sunwoo Gaju, still calls him a brat. So, I wonder if Shioon could win Ha ill's respect even if he defeats Hyuk.

By the way, I don't think Sera have ulterior motives for this fight either. She didn't even know the history between Hyuk and Shioon. So I don't think she would gamble on Shioon's life based on nothing.

I agreed, but you forgot that ha ill wasn't in the island and he saw nothing from lone wolf's duel since he was oneshotted right after his opponent... maybe this fight will not end up being effective as it was the island's fight, but it'll show ha-ill that shioon isn't a puppet to be protected, but a rightful gaju to be helped.