TheWertle has struck again! This time with an excellent interview with Tetsuya Nomura from Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ Ultimania called “Scenario Mysteries”, in which he confirms the Enigmatic Soldier’s name as Terra!

In Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+, many mysteries are answered but many new mysteries are also born.

In this version, things relating to additional scenes are included, but during the story there are some questions that pop up, so we’ll see if Nomura can point us in the right direction.

Question: In the original Kingdom Hearts, the King searches for a Keyblade in the Realm of Darkness, but when he meets Ansem the Wise, is the Realm of Light Keyblade he has the one that Sora is currently using?

Nomura: No. The King has the ability to use Keyblades from both the Realms of Darkness and of Light. This is an important point – There isn’t just one Keyblade from each world, but just as many as there are people with qualified hearts.

Question: During the meetings, the members of Organization XIII are sitting in chairs. Is the height of these chairs determined by things like their skills and abilities?

Nomura: No. The height of the chairs is not fixated – They move. That is to say that the height is up to each person. The leader, Xemnas, is always the highest, and to be at the same height as him would give that member a pretty bad feeling, so the other members wouldn’t do that. *Laughs*

Question: At the end of Sora and Riku’s stories in Re: Chain of Memories, Roxas looks back while Hayner and the rest are walking and eating ice-cream, and without seeming to care, Hayner and the others continue walking. Is this because they can’t see Roxas?

Nomura: Well it’s just because they don’t know Roxas that they don’t notice him, not because they can’t see him. At that time, right after Xemnas explains Roxas’ name, Axel says to leave things to him. Then, Roxas seems jealous of how Hayner and the others are enjoying themselves while eating ice-cream, and Axel interprets this as him wanting some ice-cream, so he is obliged to go buy him some.

Question: In the real Twilight Town, didn’t Roxas cross paths with Hayner and the others and make aquaintances with them?

Nomura: I suppose. You can think whatever you want about that.

Question: What triggered Roxas’ separation from the Organization?

Nomura: As he kept having recurring dreams of Sora, someone he didn’t know, he felt he needed to leave the Organization to find out who these people he didn’t know were. As Axel didn’t want him to go, he didn’t tell Sora about Roxas in Castle Oblivion, did he?

Question: In Riku’s ending in Re: Chain of Memories, could you tell us the meaning of the scene where the King and Riku are walking together and Riku suddenly plops down.

Nomura: That’s because Riku realized he couldn’t completely get rid of the Darkness inside of him. The King mentioned in Kingdom Hearts II that as Riku held Xehanort’s Heartless in his heart, he disappeared from the King’s sight. It’s a sort of foreshadowing. In this scene, the King’s face looks worried for a moment because he felt that Riku might eventually no longer be there. Riku headed towards DiZ in order to restore Sora’s memories to normal, but in the end, his departure from the King was so that he wouldn’t show his preparations to use the Darkness.

Question: Could you tell us at what point Riku covered his eyes?

Nomura: When he departed from the King. You don’t know after the scene, but in Riku’s ending in Re: Chain of Memories, when he comes to wherever DiZ is, he’s already covered his eyes.

Question: Please confirm some things about Castle Oblivion. In the additional event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, you can gather from Xigbar and Zexion’s conversation that Castle Oblivion existed in the Inbetween Realm before the birth of the Organization. The Organization then found it and used it for experiments about memories and to look for the Chamber of Awakening, right?

Nomura: Yes. Since their conversation was about Marluxia’s entry, they discovered the Castle before that. In fact, its use, according to Secret Ansem Report 7, was for only 13 Organization Members. Naminé awoke in Castle Oblivion, but as she and Roxas were born at the same time, half of the Organization moved to the Castle.

Question: In the additional event “To Put an End to Everything”, Sora says “It should have been easy to say thanks to Naminé, but I couldn’t say it”. At this point in time, does Sora remember the things that happened with Naminé?

Nomura: If he remembers, it’s because Naminé’s existence was made possible by Sora, and when Naminé and Roxas return to Kairi and Sora, many things were connected. Since Sora never got to say thanks to Naminé, please think of that as a hint.

Question: In the additional event “Farewell to a Friend”, there’s a scene where Axel tells Roxas “You really do have a heart, don’t you”. What is the actual case here?

Nomura: In this scene, it ends bringing up more mysteries about Roxas, so for the answer, maybe take care to follow your hunches well. It’s also related to Xehanort’s memories, but I can’t give any specifics now.

Question: We’d like to inquire about the new secret movie “Birth By Sleep”. In the new event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, Xigbar mentions a “group that wields Keyblades”. Is he talking about the 3 armored people in the movie?

Nomura: Yes, Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise.

Question: The Lingering Sentiment (Enigmatic Soldier) is the same as the armored youth in the movie, but when he fights Sora he mentions “Aqua” and “Ven”. Are those the names of the other 2?

Nomura: Yes, the blue haired girl is Aqua.

Question: What is the armored youth’s name?

Nomura: His name appeared once in code in the 2006 Tokyo Game Show Promotional Video. Also, Ven is actually a nickname, but his real name is a little bit longer. Sora, Riku, and Kairi’s names can be seen as “Sky, Land, and Sea” respectively. The 3 armored people’s names take the shape of different properties of the world, “Water, Wind, and Earth”.

Statement: Ven looks an awful lot like Roxas…

Nomura: I can’t give any specifics about that. He may just resemble him, and if there is a connection, Sora may be related too. What I can say right now is that these mysteries are all connected to the story.

Question: In the beginning, the armored youth’s eyes are blue, but at the end they change to gold. Is this revealing a change in him?

Nomura: I can’t give specifics about this either… I think everyone’s imaginations are pretty capable so please try and anticipate a lot of things.

Translated by TheWertle. I edited and corrected spelling and grammar.

In the photo below, it shows a screenshot of the code that flowed across the screen for a moment during the Promotional Video at the Tokyo Game Show 2006. It has been decoded as:

1,666 Responses to “Scenario Mysteries Interview”

Hey!
On Wikipedia it has the description name of Axel,Then it shows his description and story of the game,But any ways besides the flurry of dancing flames it showed a description name of him in supposedly japanese,It is Odoru Hi no Kaze,So i looked up the japanese descriptions of the words and found that Odoru means to dance or to jump,and Hi means a cost or expense or ice or hail,fire,flame,blaze,light,sunshine,day,faulty,negation,wicked person,no,the noes.
no means possessive or field,Kaze means WIND.
That seems really interesting Hi means fire which has been described to make light and no means possessed like as in been possessed maybe i also noticed that the other words in the description besides no were capitolized,Kaze means wind,Also no can mean field or possessive but in Terras description it had no in it too as in possessive and it also said through the description that he was a mystery just as Xemnas’s description.

on 14 Jul 2007 at 6:52 pm 1152. Shadow

Also Roxas description seemed like it would fit the connection,Meguriau Kagi,Meguriau means to meet fortuitously,to meeting by chance,to happen across,Kagi means Key.
I could not find Ven or Aquas description i only was able to find terra.

on 14 Jul 2007 at 6:57 pm 1153. Shadow

Namine and Kairi have the same meaning to their name dont they?
Namine means sea or water is what i heard i am not sure which one but i know its one of those two.
I wonder what color of hair aquas and kairis mixed would make.

on 14 Jul 2007 at 7:03 pm 1154. Shadow

Terra has been said known as Todomarishi Shinen,Please comment what Todomarishi means if figured out or known cause i could only find Shinen which is,thought.

on 14 Jul 2007 at 10:53 pm 1155. toun

hey the full name of ven is ventus

on 15 Jul 2007 at 5:26 am 1156. Ace of Diamonds

I don’t think Soul Eater ever was a Keyblade. Just a weapon that Riku had. I don’t how he transformed Soul Eater into The Way to Dawn. Unless it really was a Keyblade before hand and when Asnem’s machine exploded, not only did it revert Riku back to his original self, it reverted the Soul Eater back to The Way to Dawn Keyblade. The Keyblade had a Keychain of the Heartless Emblem attached to it, so I guess a Heartless had to be using it last.

That reminds me, how did Kairi get herself a Keyblade? Why that Flower Keyblade? It holds no significant meaning. If Terra, Aqua, and Ven were originally supposed to pass on their Keyblades to their Sora, Riku, and Kairi counterparts, that must mean somebody messed up the time flux, or something. Let’s say since Aqua bears a resemblence to Kairi, the Keyblade she was weilding in the Teaser at the end of Kingdom Hearts was meant for Kairi and not King Mickey. Aqua chose Kairi, but the Keyblade was sent to the Dark Realm were King Mickey found it. So, when Riku gave himself into the Darkness, Sora received the Keyblade that Riku got. So, if Riku never gave into Darkness, would it mean that Sora was supposed to go through Riku’s Chain of Events and Sora was destined to weild The Way to Dawn Keyblade?

So, Xehanort must’ve interfered with all 3 Keyblade Appearances. They Keyblades weren’t given to the people that Terra, Aqua, and Ven originally chose. Because Xehanort knew that with Sora, Riku, and Kairi’s combined strength that he couldn’t win, so he messed up the order in which the Keyblades would appear. Sora ended up weilding The Kingdom Key because Riku gave up his heart to Darkness and Sora’s heart was strongest at the time, Riku was tempted by Xehanort to open his heart to Darkness and eventually left Darkness behind and weilded The Way to Dawn Keyblade to find his beginning Light, and instead of Kairi weilding the Keyblade Aqua was carrying, Xehanort screwed it up so that it would be in the Dark Realm. So, instead, King Mickey found the Keyblade.

on 15 Jul 2007 at 6:34 am 1157. Shadow

Well the soul eater had a heartless symbol keychain could he have been a heartless maybe just in different form.

Also that Xehanort as in Ansem looked much different from eachother,you know maybe Xehanort is Terra because if Xehanort is ansem which his heartless is Xemnas he shares the same desire of kingdom hearts just like the bald man,It makes me wonder if the bald guy was a nobody but he couldnt have been because he was wielding a keyblade but so did Roxas hwo actually does have a heart,so would Roxas have been Ven at that point or not?

Well king mickey said that that portrait was of xehanorts heartless which is actually a phony but why would he have a portrait of his heartless could his heartless have been seperate?

The Bald Mans heartless looked similar to that of the riku heartless clothes but as armor and Ansem had baldys clothes,think about it,It could be that it was xehanort(terra) since darkness was getting to him the bald guy went for him next after the darkness overcome the fourth chaser and or just the fourth knight if there seems to be one and then he was going to use Terra to stay and acomplish his goal or something and took the form of Ansem hwom had darker skin then xehanort so he must have been a seperate one of him and had no heart because he was already dead it was just his spirit reborn through terra since he has similar hair and different hair color of the bald man,So that Terra was asleep just as the others and that Axels real self had knew Ven from before as they were best friends.

Ven had supposedly chose sora for the keyblade and terras memories were yet ker-skuffled and so since he had the light kingdom key he was very confused cause he had chose someonelse which probably was Riku but when he was controlled of the crazy bald guy he tricked him in to falling into darkness and their seemed to be a confusion and that since Riku was as the side of darkness maybe its that kairis counterpart self was as Aqua,Soras was Ven,So Rikus was Terra.

on 16 Jul 2007 at 6:45 am 1158. Ace of Diamonds

The portrait in Ansem’s Study was of Xehanort. King Mickey said, “The Man in the portrait is definitely the one who tried to take over Kingdom Hearts, BUT what you actually fought was his heartless.” So, the portrait is of Xehanort, and not Ansem. But why was Xehanort’s Portrait in Ansem’s Study?

Yeah, I think that the order the Keyblades were supposed to be given didn’t happen the way it was supposed to. Terra originally chose Riku, Aqua originally chose Kairi, and Ven originally chose Sora. But I’m not sure the screw up of those events happened after the Keyblade War. While The Old Man and The Dark Soldier were fighting Terra, Aqua, and Ven, Xehanort interfered with the natural balance of the Keyblades. The Keyblades chose whoever they were passed onto, but Xehanort’s Power was far too great. Xehanort first began by tempting Riku into stepping into Darkness, and when Riku gave himself into Darkness, The Kingdom Key was passed on to the next Heart of Pure Light Sora, since Kairi lost her heart at this time. Xehanort messed up the other Kingdom Key and instead of it being given to Kairi, it ended up in the Dark Realm where King Mickey found it hence Riku giving Kairi that Flower Keyblade in Kingdom Hearts 2. Then, we all know the story within Riku. His heart was too strong to be swallowed by the Darkness, and ended using the Darkness as his greatest weapon, and decided to follow The Way to Dawn to find his beginning Light. So, it’s not mere coincidence. I think Sora, Riku, and Kairi were meant to finish the job that Terra, Aqua, and Ven couldn’t complete, and knowing he was going to get beat, Xehanort interfered with the Keyblades signals.

on 16 Jul 2007 at 2:27 pm 1159. Shadow

Well i agree with that theory,but do you think Terra could somewhat unknowingly have the bald guy within him,If all those characters were new to the game then it is still so,You know how Roxas is somewhat Ven and so he never said or knew he was Ven though and could have been reborn through sora it goes the same way with the bald guy Terra was not yet awakened and was awakened supposedly around the time of final mix so that means the bald guys spirit was passed on to terra and reborn as a heartless having no heart just a spirit and his spirit was of darkness and for somereason was unable to wield his keyblade cause of that reason just like others of org.,So after getting to Axels real self Terra was forced to fight him he was defeated and a nobody came to be and they found him as #8 of the org.,The similarity between terras looks and Xehanorts look much the same and thats because he was reborn through terra so technically terra could hate xehanort too,even if he is Xehanort and that Xemnas was also a nobody of Terra since his heartless was defeated,so Ansem the wise was angry at someonelse and thought it was Xehanort cause he came with no memory of himself just as Roxas didnt remember,so xehanort,once was baldy,had become obsessed with the study and fooled the other apprentices into darkness,I wonder what the rest of the the others stories are,besides the other 5 of org. we do not exactly know their story at all of how they became nobodies.So technically it could be birth by sleep as in reborn from sleep like with Aqua(Namine),Ven(Roxas),Terra(Xehanort/Xemnas),Terra was supposed to be passed on to Riku but instead it was changed and also changed which keyblades they were supposed to wield.So that makes them all new characters because technically if the bald guy had taken terras form and had been reborn as somewhat a nobody and a heartless and was defeated and left as Xemnas,So that would be memories of Xehanort also it had said that when it showed terras face memories of xehanort didnt it,But still the bald man said he was xehanort but wasnt terra exactly since it was just him reborn becoming evil once again and now terra has been awakened.

on 17 Jul 2007 at 5:44 am 1160. Ace of Diamonds

Shadow, I really don’t think Terra has a nobody. It doesn’t seem to make sense. I mean, unless when his eyes turned yellow, it was the Darkness swallowing his heart, and a Heartless was a result of that, but I highly doubt it. If the picture above says Terra has not yet awakened, then how did we fight him at The Gathering Place in Final Mix?

To be honest, I don’t know about The Old Man. I just think he passed his spirit to Xehanort for the time being, but because of the amount of Darkness within Xehanort, it slowly began to eat away at his heart and remove pieces of his memories. The Dark Soldier is a mystery all in itself. Maybe he’s a result on an experiment of Darkness of the Heart that exceeded The Old Man’s Expectations and he wound up weilding a Keyblade. Now, it’s not a rare thing to see a Heartless weilding a Keyblade is it? Then again, this all my opinon.

on 17 Jul 2007 at 6:58 am 1161. Shadow

Ace of Diamonds,Well technically he wouldnt really have to have a heartless to get the bald guys spirit reborn through terra so i guess you could say its still not xehanorts(terras) heartless as Ansem.Well as for Xemnas i guess you could say he is Ansems nobody,What i mean to say is that its Terra that was not yet awakened since supposedly they tried to become counterparts of sora,riku and kairi so you can see that terra was very angered at the bald guy since he had got their friend to be overcome by darkness and then Terra had to fight him and defeated him and so that could possibly be when his friends nobody was made but maybe not,but anyways Ansem was a reborn form of terra just with the bald guys spirit being passed on to him since he had a desire in to kingdom hearts Xemnas and Ansem did too.

So that means that Ansem was looking like terra(xehanort) and he was wearing the bald guys clothes because of that connection if the bald guy did not do that and take his form and being reborn through him just as Ven did and could not remember a thing as the nobody…Everything would probably have went just fine and sora,riku and kairi would each have the right keyblades that were chosen to be wielded by them but instead after Terra was put asleep the bald guy found a way to pass his spirit on to terra and be reborn and call himself xehanort,He soon was overcome by darkness and Ansem was created and after darkness came back to him and as he slowly regained his memories he became evil once again so then that is when Sora decided to defeat Ansem his Nobody was made Xemnas and just like the bald guy he wanted to use kingdom hearts’s power.

We fight him in final mix probably at a certain time later cause he may have been reawakened by someone since Ansem and Xemnas were each defeated he was likely awakened by someone and his Armor was repaired by them to.
If Sora has Roxas(Ven) returned within him he may be now able to wield the Way to the Dawn maybe if Riku gets light kingdom key passed on by terra,Please ask questions about this theory if there is any?

on 19 Jul 2007 at 4:03 am 1162. Ace of Diamonds

I got a question, anybody here believe in this Dis-soul theory? I hear it’s only a rumor.

But I think I get what you said about Ansem and The Old Man. Since Xehanort didn’t have a heart of his own, he extracted one from Kingdom Hearts which happened to be The Old Man’s Heart, so when Xehanort turned himself into a Heartless, he was created to be about Xehanort’s Age and hence why Ansem and The Old Man have the same outfit. But unlike The Old Man, since Ansem was a Heartless, he had the symbol on his chest, and also like The Old Man, was accompanied by a Heartless Guardian.

But I still wanna know who Xemnas was talking to in The Room of Sleep. I think it’s Aqua, or what’s left of her since her armor was on the floor. People are saying that he was reminiscing about her and was talkig to himself, but there’s gotta be somebody else there. Xigbar heard Xemnas talking with somebody. There’s a big difference between hearing somebody talking to themself and talking with someone else. And one more thing, if Roxas wanted to find Sora so bad, why did he attack Sora at The World That Never Was, and where did he go after Sora woke up?

on 19 Jul 2007 at 5:33 am 1163. Gloria

hi guys.

on 19 Jul 2007 at 5:59 am 1164. Celes

I’d like to take a look at these two phrases and give my speculation:

“Master Xehanort’s Avenger, his name is Terra.”
Xehanort didn’t remember who he was when Ansem the Wise found him. Xehanort could possibly be a name he was given. The ‘Master’ part comes in when you remembering Ansem the Wise had apprentices that looked up to Xehanort: yknow, Ienzo and Braig and such? One of them could have easily said this line.

“Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two.”
Again, Xehanort didn’t remember who he was when Ansem the Wise found him. Maybe he found him unconscious and he’s speculating connection to the other two, Aqua and Ven?

I’ve long since noticed how similar Xehanort and Xemnas look. Nobodies are supposed to look different than their original selves. Differences in their case is minor. Skin only slightly darker, the bangs more overgrown. Then again, when Riku came back from looking like Xehnort’s Heartless he had a tan, too. *snort* Actually… “Xehanort’s Heartless” really doesn’t look anything like Xehanort. Anti-Sora is black and squirming with abnoxious yellow eyes, and “Xehanort’s Heartless” is nothing of the sort. A much higher form of Heartless, and sophisticated at that. Speaking of Xehanort giving into the darkness… will we ever meet the Heartless of the other apprentices? They were strong enough to give birth to Nobodies, so they should be present.

on 19 Jul 2007 at 10:28 am 1165. Ace of Diamonds

From what I remember, Ansem the Wise found Xehanort without his memories, but yet the only thing he could remember was that his name was Xehanort. I’m with you on somebody giving him his name. It must’ve been an important event that happened if all your memories are wiped out and the only thing you can remember is your name. When some people lose their memories, they forget EVERYTHING, including their names. I also want to meet The Heartless of the Nobodies that made up The Organization. But if they were that important, we would’ve met them already. In the Room of Sleep, the “old friend” cutscene, Xemnas walks down a pathway with Doors on opposite ends. Maybe they’re holding the Heartless of the Organizaton for further Experimentation.

on 19 Jul 2007 at 10:29 am 1166. Ace of Diamonds

Hi Gloria.

on 19 Jul 2007 at 1:43 pm 1167. Shadow

Ace,The bald man cannot be Xehanort exactly and that you could say the reborn form of the old man through terra could be a new character he just took his name and then eventually took Ansem for a name,All the characters in the secret ending were new.

I guess you could take evil Xehanort(reborn bald guy) as a new character he did not remember anything at first.
So i guess Terra might have had a nobody but i am not sure about Xemnas i think that no heart could refer to Ansem but i also think another can too cause he is another and no heart now and when Ansem was defeated Xemnas had somewhat feelings but couldnt remember what it felt like to have a heart cause Ansem did not have one i am not sure if the evil Xehanort(bald man) had a heart at that point for sure,but then i noticed he could have just harnessed it back through kingdom hearts,possibly.

People believe Roxas was put to sleep in the same pod but it shows the scene where Sora awakens he either was banished in some unknown way somewhere else into a slumber but when he fights him he is with the org. in that part of the game maybe they were returned within eachother after that cause he is his nobody now right,but how exactly did Roxas get a keyblade as a nobody?The rest of the org. didnt get their keyblades back after becoming nobodies they most likely have strong hearts their not Dusks or anything so they must have had keyblades before.

Master Xehanorts avenger,his name is terra,yes it could be that master Xehanort is the reborn bald guy that couldnt remember much when he was found,odd for that reason,maybe.So that means technically Terra avenged the bald guy for the future.

Do you guys think that the org. heartless took human form too?

When Sora lost his memories and had them repaired did he remember his name,I notice Roxas already forgot his real name,Ven.So what if Xehanort really was just given that name maybe Ansem the wise thought the resemblence was so alike to give him that name i wonder hwo gave Xemnas his name did he give it to himself?

Maybe he only remembered his name because Terra had his memories hacked also and that now he is so fixated on hatred for Xehanort so much it came to be that he remembered his name i mean i find it oddly strange for him to be given a name thats so oddly specific to the name of Another…Cause the secret ending is supposed to be hinting on memories of Xehanort so i am guessing that Terra is for sure the real Xehanort.

What if Xehanort(reborn bald guy) is Terras heartless or his nobody now because Ven passed his spirit on to Sora and his nobody was Roxas(Ven).

on 19 Jul 2007 at 1:50 pm 1168. Shadow

Axel i guess would probably be the fourth chaser as his real self if the org. heartless are asleep in there for further experimentation i guess you could say they cant because when a heartless is created does it have to be defeated to make a nobody,like with Ansem and Xemnas.

But then again the heartless is a different form of them so i wonder if their real selves were just casted off to make nobodies but where would the heartless be or look like after the nobody is defeated and returned to the heart they would be hwole again maybe in the chamber of sleep cause like i said it looked like there was equal thirteen doors there that were locked so could that have been where Vens heart lies as a heartless?

on 19 Jul 2007 at 10:58 pm 1169. Ace of Diamonds

Shadow, I never said Xehanort was The Old Man, I just said that Xehanort extracted a Heart from Kingdom Hearts to become whole, and the heart was The Old Man’s. Hence when Xehanort became a Heartless, Ansem had the same clothes on that The Old Man had. Sora had lost his memories thanks in large part to Namine. I still don’t know why, but as Sora lost his memories, everybody close to him with the exception of Riku forgot all about Sora. When Sora regained his memories, everybody started to remember him. Being in Deep Sleep for so long reorganized his memories. I don’t see a connection between Terra and Xehanort other than the fact that they look alike. How can Terra hate himself? I don’t think Terra lost his memories. Roxas didn’t remember his true self because Sora’s time as a Heartless was short lived.

on 20 Jul 2007 at 2:41 am 1170. Shadow

Ace,Okay i just misunderstood the Xehanort thing,you know if Terra was supposed to be passed on to Riku but instead somehow the bald guy was reborn through terra instead,he would have came as a nobody but seeing as he extracted a heart for the possibility of him getting through terra as his nobody he extracted the heart to keep himself hwole but light in Terra got through to him when he was reborn and he was found by Ansem the Wise,he could only remember the name of Xehanort so he had taken that name,The reason he could only remember that name was because when he was reborn through terra,the bald man was so fixated on his hatred for Xehanort that when the bald guy was reborn he could only remember that name it messed with his thoughts.

The reason Nomura has said before that it is amusing that Terra said that is most likely because its like saying he hates himself.

So Xehanort reborn form of the bald man is a hwole new form of terra(xehanort),They look like each other,but hwos heart did he extract the bald guy looked more like he was harnessing much power out of kingdom hearts in the secret ending so what if he was a nobody and that he did not extract the heart from kingdom hearts for sure,cause he could not remember a thing besides that name when he was found so i wonder how Ansem had no heart Dis-soul would be either Terra or Ansem after that point,i am starting to believe that Dis-soul is Ansem cause i hardly believe he extracted a heart out of terra you know Roxas must have had a heart to wield the keyblade so what if Vens heart is as a heartless with the rest of the org. heartless in that room,and so Roxas had Soras heart within him how else would Roxas have lost his memories i mean he is Vens spirit and all so that could be Dis-soul i guess and that Roxas returned to Sora when he was awakened and that after Xemnas and Ansem were defeated they returned to Terra or the bald man form in which had taken Ansems name and Xehanort and he was awakened but someone had repaired his Armor Ven cannot exactly be his spirit because Sora already would have had his own spirit right?So they were each reborn but they had been returned to each other anyhow.

Xemnas i guess would be the one that repaired that dragon from the secret ending and avenged it hwo knows if it was the bald guys dragon or Axels real selfs dragon.

So the Roxas,Terra and Sora collage in the background of that trailer in SE party means that they each are referred to of Dis-soul,i guess maybe since Kairis heart was of pure light that Aqua could only become a spirit form of Kairi,I am not sure what to say about Kairi,maybe since Aqua could wield the dark keyblade that Kairi may also eventually still even though Aqua wasnt fully reborn through Kairi but what if it did not happen just as Terra didnt get it passed on to Riku correctly thanks to the bald guy.

Maybe all this has connection to why Namine had some magic power with memory,well what would people call a witch a witch is someone that uses magic isnt it?

The heartless that Sora had wasnt around very long but it doesnt mean it was Vens heartless,Roxas would be Sora usually if it casted off the flesh to make a nobody right?
Cause that would make Sora with only a heart anyways if roxas was actually his spirit.

Thonare might be the bald mans real name he used thunder on terra maybe the rearranged letters of Xehanort without an X is Thonare as a hint to the bald guys name cause its said specifically that if it was real Xehanorts rearranged name it would in fact be no heart and Another.

on 20 Jul 2007 at 5:07 am 1171. Shadow

Hey Ace,I think i found out why i misunderstood when you said Xehanort extracted a heart from kingdom hearts and i thought you meant the bald guy but i do not think that would have been possible cause if he was reborn without a heart then he would have known what to do from the beginning when he was reborn he would have just got a heart some other way maybe but the bald man did harness much power from kingdom hearts maybe he was able to keep a spare heart for the reason but highly unlikely i mean if he took someone elses heart he would go the path of that other persons heart.

So he must have had terras heart and that his nobody of the other form came as the bald guy which still looked similar.

on 20 Jul 2007 at 6:15 am 1172. Shadow

Well Terra is formerly known as Todomarishi shinen which is Lost Thought so which is more proof of a connection as to of Terra being Xehanort.

Hey you know how with Axels name it has some word i dont remember that meant dance and then it said Hi no Kaze well if no means possess and Kaze means wind and the no is not capitolized it really makes me wonder whether it means that person being possessed by someone but i am not sure cause if Vens real name is actually Ventus Hi no Kaze that really makes me wonder but Axel does not stand for Wind for his name Ven does but not exactly him.

I am placing my guesses that the names of them are:Terra no Xehanort,Ventus Hi no Kaze,Watatsumi Aqua Umi,Thonare.

But once you think about it Thonare could be the bald guy and that what if Xehanort is a nobody in the other games what if he remembered that name but would have taken it anyway because he is the nobody of the bald guy and Terra but he still found a way to stay hwole and then eventually lost the memory became darker and darker all the time and then he was turned into a heartless nobody after going in the realm of darkness somehow the heart was rid of and i wonder what became of it then maybe it went back to Terra(did go back to terra),The theory would have to be with this connection because then it would not make them all new characters so i am guessing that Terra no Xehanort would be him possessed by the bald guy supposedly to be Xehanort but actually thonare which really gets me confused because if it is memories of Xehanort he was there and so that would make Terra,Xehanort.

Which is probably correct seeing as Ansem and Xemnas would be the same person just as Xehanort and Ansem are the same making Xemnas have the memories of Ansem hwo had the memories of Thonare so that would mean Xehanort as Terra the bald guy whom would have a nobody that would have the same name and same meaning and that did happen just through terra but instead he got a heart anyway so if the bald guys nobody was to be part of the org. in the future just as Terras supposed nobody was he would have gotten the same name if he kept the name thonare and that would make Xemnas a second nobody of the bald man and as of Terra nobody(as through a same type of example with the connection of Sora and Roxas)so after they were defeated they became hwole and Terra awakened and still hated Xehanort.
Ansem would be Xemnas youd think cause when he was defeated did he go back to Xehanort or make Xemnas so that could be the combined forms that made Ansems skin tone so much darker,i think that the bald guys real heartless is either in experimentation or still running around maybe he is asleep as that heartless guardian or something.

on 21 Jul 2007 at 8:22 am 1173. Ace of Diamonds

We don’t really know what happened to Terra, Aqua, or Ven for that matter after The Keyblade War. All we know for sure is that Xehanort appeared after The Keyblade War was over. My theories is that with Ven’s Heart in Kingdom Hearts, his soul was released into a Heart as strong as his in Sora. When Sora turned into a Heartless, his hearts became a Heartless and the nobody became Roxas, and with Ven’s Soul, it gave him that appearance. Since Sora wasn’t a Heartless for very long, The Nobody was born without any memory of who we was. Aqua, I’m guessing she was taken to The Room of Sleep to heal after The Keyblade War, and that’s when Xemnas came down for the “Old Friend” cutscene. She probably stayed there for a while for Xemnas to explain who he was and what happened. From what I know, Terra, or what’s left of him is at The Gathering Place. He is referred to as The Lingering Spirit. So, something must’ve happened, because it’s not really normal for a spirit to take Human Form, let alone an armor. The Old Man’s Past is Unknown, so is The Dark Soldier. I just make theories about it, but nobody’s sure yet.

on 21 Jul 2007 at 5:09 pm 1174. Shadow

Well we dont know what happens for sure but i know that Terra has been referred to as lingering spirit and Todomarishi Shinen and Todomarishi Shinen is lost thought so i put together a theory about what happened too,so if lingering spirit is pretty much an almost dead spirit then if he was just as a spirit then i do not think it would have really taken Terras full appearance and armor.You know it could mean his Nobody is almost dead,Aqua might have even had a fight with Xemnas she was not there anymore and her armor was broken i would say that since Xemnas is a nobody of Xehanort and Xehanort is Ansem so since Ansem had no heart Xemnas could not remember what it was like to have one cause he may have been the bald guys nobody cause since he probably took Terras form to be reborn but he lost his heart in the realm of darkness thats when the heart returned to Terra so the bald guys name could be thonare but he had no memory of it,So if Ven passed his soul on to sora how exactly could Ven become a nobody through him if he got his own heart back and was also reborn but you notice that in the end of the game he returns to sora it could still be that his heartless is asleep with the rest of the org. heartless thats probably where Ven would be if he was hwole there.It could be that roxas is still the nobody and that he used soras heart to wield the realm of light keyblade and oblivion since Ven originally wielded the way to the dawn and his other keyblade could have been of the dark.

on 21 Jul 2007 at 5:45 pm 1175. Shadow

Maybe the Xehanort in kh1 and 2 was the actual bald guy wouldnt the bald guy be a nobody because if the other dark soldier on the side of him was his heartless then that would make the bald guy a nobody but we notice that when the dark soldier appears he already has a keyblade and the other bald guy did not until later and the keyblades were different but each had the eye design on them.

If when Braig was a disciple to Ansem the wise he witnessed Aqua,Ven and terra then if Xehanort was already a disciple to him before braig then that gets me really confused would that make Xehanort from the first two games be there before Aqua,Ven and Terra were asleep so would that mean that Xehanort wasnt reborn through Terra?

So that could mean hes either a nobody or something Unknown because the keyblade war was memory of Xehanort so he is either the bald man or Terra so what if Xehanort was the bald man how could he look so much like Terra?

Maybe the bald guy passed his spirit on to Terra before they were put to sleep you know if Ven Aqua and Terra were there for the keyblade war before Sora and co. adventure then he must have been passed on to sora before cause he wouldnt have came after his heartless so fast if he wasnt.

So that means Aqua and Ven have already been awakened and Terra has not until final mix.

Maybe the bald guy really is thonare and Xehanort is Terra because it said memory of Xehanort and they have now became one with eachother so that could mean that terra is Xehanort but you notice Xehanort had not wielded a keyblade but maybe he did because soul eater is a heartless keyblade right?Ansem took the heartless form of Riku in order to wield the keyblade and so The Way to the Dawn was rikus original blade but he was suppost to get the kingdom key.

Any thoughts on this this is getting so confusing.

on 21 Jul 2007 at 8:14 pm 1176. Ace of Diamonds

Xehanort appeared after the Keyblade War, so Xigbar was a disciple to Ansem the Wise long before Xehanort even got there. Now, I’m gonna guess that when Xehanort extracted that Old Man’s Heart from Kingdom Hearts, the Heartless he had took on a Human Form wearing The Old Man’s outfit. Since it was within Xehanort’s Body, he was created to look somewhat like him, and since the heart was not his own, the heartless took the human form because of The Old Man. I know it doesn’t make sense, but then again, that’s just my opinion. Soul Eater was not a Keyblade. Supposedly, it was given to Riku by Maleficent. The Way to Dawn is sorta like a Transformation of the Soul Eater.

Now, Roxas was weilding Oblivion and OathKeeper. A Keyblade of Light and A Keyblade of Darkness, not necessarily the Realm of Light and Darkness Keyblades. This is only my opinion, but I think that Ven passed his spirit to Sora’s Body. When Sora turned into a Heartless, his body became an empty vessel, and became his Nobody, Roxas. Kairi, being a Princess of Heart, created a new body for Sora to become whole again. Body, Heart, and Soul. Since Kingdom Hearts wasn’t exactly whole until Kingdom Hearts 2, it went to nearest available vessel in Roxas, therefore Roxas was born Body, Heart, and Soul, but Sora’s time as a Heartless was short, so he had no memory of who he was. Because Ansem and Xemnas were alive at the same time and with each Heartless killed in both games, The Organization slowly collected those hearts to make their own Kingdom Hearts. Then again, that’s only my opinion. I racked my brain while writing this one.

on 22 Jul 2007 at 7:07 am 1177. Shadow

Well Braig was a disciple to Ansem the wise but i thought it has been known that Xehanort was there before him his first apprentice i thought.

We do not even know where the org. was from and it seems quite interesting that he had so many apprentices.

How do we know if Xehanort came right after the keyblade war it seems to me like there are keyblades that would fit the hearts of the characters like sleeping lion would be leon fenrir id say would be leons heros crest hercules and so forth,the org. had their own weapons and very good skills in fighting already i would say they were also in the keyblade war and for some reason ended up as disciples to Ansem the Wise.

Zexions book i believe could have very much insight on the origins and mysteries of the keyblade war and such and he might have a connection between those three characters even,The first six members were disciples of Ansem the wise but the other 7 members were just found,where?Its possible that they had been nobodies just as long as the others but they to probably had keyblades there was so many that it is more than likely but hwo knows if the org. had spirits and so forth passed on to them cause i am not sure about them not wielding them when they were disciples they probably lost the keychains and the blades were forged at the place of the gathering where the keyblades were probably buried by now.

Also the soul and spirit are seperate,the soul would pretty much be the heart and the spirit would be the nobody the body so that means regularly Roxas would have been Soras spirit and his heartless was there but not very long and if my theory is correct he was reborn through Sora but was returned to Sora similar to the example of what i believe happened to Terra but he could have extracted the heart from kingdom hearts or he extracted one some other way not from kingdom hearts it must have been his own heart or he wouldnt have went the same path and stayed as evil and dark as he was even if the heart was of the dark.

So if kairi made Sora to become hwole once again and his original self Sora from kh1 was just an empty vessel that made Ven but as Roxas but Roxas had a heart to wield the keyblade so that means he could have been returned to his original self but what i dont know is how Ven got his own heart back unless he was returned to his heartless and was reawakened,But if those characters were all new characters Roxas had to have been seperate than Ven so he was probably Vens nobody that was reborn through Sora just as the bald guy was through Terra but found a way to keep his heart and Ven did not so it could be that since Roxas Vens nobody was returned to Sora,that they just need to find his heartless but Roxas would have to be defeated to become hwole once again with his heartless and so forth.

on 22 Jul 2007 at 9:24 am 1178. Ace of Diamonds

Nah, that can’t be. Ansem and his apprentices meaning Braig, Ienzo, Elaeus, Even, and Dilan all took part in Ansem the Wise’s Darkness of the Heart Experiments. They all took great interest in Xehanort’s Memories. Xigbar even said Xehanort was found after the Keyblade War. He mentioned how long ago it was when People with Blades of Keys, fought great battles, and left. Xehanort was found by Ansem the Wise after The Keyblade War was over, but we don’t exactly know how long after The Keyblade War.

I’m still trying to work out the kinks in my Roxas/Ven theory. It’s not really on point. On one hand, Ven dies shortly after being frozen to death by The Old Man, but before he froze him, I think The Old Man took Ven’s Heart into captivity and used it to open Kingdom Hearts. The soul thing doesn’t make sense. To have somebody’s soul come into play, that person would’ve had to have a Heartless and Nobody, then the soul would be passed on. But since the Soul and Spirit are separate as you say, then I’m going to assume that something must’ve happened to Kingdom Hearts. The Blue Kingdom Hearts that appeared in Birth By Sleep must’ve been destroyed, or weakened releasing the captive hearts within it. Ven’s Heart and The Old Man’s Heart in particular were released to the “Chosen Ones”, Sora and Xehanort. Since The Old Man was a Keyblade Weilder, he must’ve chose Xehanort to lead out his plans and his heart in accordance with the Keyblade found its way to Xehanort since Xehanort was born without a Heart.

Since Sora could hold more than one heart within his own being, and since Ven orginially chose Sora, his heart found its way to Sora. So, when Sora became a Heartless, he released every heart within him including his own. So, the Nobody left after resembled Ven because Ven’s spirit took on that appearance and Ven’s Heart returned to Roxas. But Sora’s time as a Heartless was short affecting Roxas/Ven’s Resuscitation and resulted in him having no recollection of who he was.

on 24 Jul 2007 at 3:49 am 1179. Shadow

The org. had keyblades before because you notice how there arent many keyblade wielders around anymore and there was so many keyblades its likely they did they didnt turn to dusks either,so the keychains whereabouts are unknown.

Roxas wielded the light kingdom key and oblivion maybe its a hint to hwos heart he had and so mickey,Riku,Terra and sora were able to wield one or two of those same keyblades.

Also when sora takes a certain form he gets to use two keyblades each with keychains that makes me wonder if since he was know able to use the kingdom key maybe he was now capable of wielding the ones of the Dark also.

oblivion is of the dark and kingdom key of light is of light of course and so he was able to wield dark and light too.

when Xehanort was seen in Ansems study that was a flashback right?Because if Ansem was defeated and he got a nobody it really makes me wonder.

I believe Roxas is not Soras nobody he is Vens made through Sora and that Vens heartless is in with the rest of the org. heartless which have probably became hwole again by now.
Soul Eater was in fact a keyblade Soul Eater cant really have been the transformation of Way to The Dawn because the similarity with the bald guys keyblade and had same symbol on it Soul eater had a keychain it was a heartless symbol maybe since we see the dark soldier wield one to maybe there was a reason him as a heartless could wield it.

Riku did get the Soul Eater first did he not?

Maybe Ven did die but hwo knows whether he turned into a heartless or actually did die he was to pass his spirit on to sora and most likely needed to have a heartless to do that.

So Vens heartless is asleep and the org. heartless are asleep but are hwole now and Vens Spirit is in Sora still.

on 24 Jul 2007 at 4:00 am 1180. ViVi

no the org. did not have keyblades. roxas had one because he was an entity of sora. and namine was too which would explain why she had sora’s memories. its true too, if you read ansem report #9. and roxas held oathkeeper and oblivion. not key of light. that was soras and soras only

on 24 Jul 2007 at 8:20 pm 1181. Ace of Diamonds

Soul Eater didn’t have a Keychain. Way to Dawn has to be a Transformation of Soul Eater. That’s the only weapon Riku had, and The Keyblade resembles a transformed version of Soul Eater, except with the Heartless Keychain,Keyblade tip, and handle. Riku probably used the power of Darkness to change that Keyblade same he used to change his appearance when he fought Roxas.

The scene where Xehanort was in Ansem’s Study was only a Flashback. It can’t be that far back because Ansem the Wise looked the same way he did then, and Xehanort hadn’t turned on his Master and banished Ansem the Wise away yet.

I don’t think Ven had a Heartless if my theory is true on The Old Man taking Ven’s Heart right before he opened Kingdom Hearts. So, if that’s the case, Ven couldn’t have a Heartless.

on 24 Jul 2007 at 11:50 pm 1182. Shadow

Vivi,You know what,it is said that only the people with strong hearts get to wield a keyblade if Roxas did not have a heart he wouldnt even be able to wield one.Obviously the org. wasnt wielding keyblades as their nobody selves because…There are not very many being wielded anymore for some unknown reason and thats why before the org. were nobodies they couldnt wield any when they were with ansem the wise but they did at one time because only the ones with strong hearts can keep human form as a nobody.
Roxas did wield the kingdom key in twilight town at the beginning of the game…
and in one scene he fights Axel with oblivion and kingdom key…
Also if Namine has a connection like that normally she would wield one too.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 12:52 am 1183. Shadow

Ace,Well what did he do with Vens heart after he got it he couldnt have used someone elses heart within him as Xehanort because he would have to follow the path of that heart,I believe that when Sora turned into a heartless and got his form back i am still not sure how Roxas would have came into existance,I think that it still may even be his heart though,That the bald man had gotten as you said.We still do not know entirely how Xehanort lost his heart and got into the realm of darkness without a key of the light or Way to The Dawn(beginning light),what if his heart somehow was released back or something.

I think that if the Dark soldier is not baldys heartless then hes Axels but then i thought about it and it cant be because he was once Ansem the wises apprentice.
Yes the Soul Eater is just a heartless form of blade that transformed into Way to The Dawn after he tried to rid off the darkness in him.

Axel had to have wielded bond of flame,Hwo would have before Sora?

Maybe the keychains are pretty much within the hearts of others.

Maybe since Baldy had Vens Soul and had his own spirit he chose to be reborn through Terra and then he lost his heart somehow in the realm of darkness.

The Bald guy was able to somewhat do things like that to Riku,He needed a heart for some reason besides the fact hes old,Theres still chance he took someone elses heart hwo knows?

Maybe the bald man was already a nobody cause Ansem had something i would suppose as a heartless guardian too.

That heartless guardian may have a part in what happened to Xehanort and how he lost his heart.

Maybe it was the heartless from the secret ending.
?

Hey you know how Riku took Ansem and Xehanorts form,Maybe since that happened the Way to The Dawn keyblade ended up with Riku because he took the heart of Ven and Riku took his form and so he was then able to wield Way to the Dawn so Xehanort used Way to The Dawn to get into the realm of Darkness.

Maybe Kairi is able to wield the dark kingdom key she cant be of pure light cause then she would only be a princess of hearts of light she had to have darkness or be able to wield dark keyblades anyways.

I think that the dragon Terra defeated was in fact the bald mans it was the bald guys nobodies dragon in kh2 also i am not sure whether he is his full nobody,so maybe Axel was the fourth knight on the sidelines i seem to have seen a fourth knight in a reflection of one of the other three knights armor.

So the dragon was then avenged maybe a nobody dragon.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 3:29 am 1184. Ace of Diamonds

Kairi is a Princess of Heart, therefore her heart is of Pure Light. The only reason she doesn’t have a Keyblade of her own is because instead of her getting The Inverse Kingdom Key which soon became Mickey’s Keyblade, it wound in The Dark Realm because around the time Sora got his Keyblade and Riku gave in to Darkness, Kairi had already lost her heart, so The Keyblade found its next owner in King Mickey who was in The Dark Realm at the time and found it there. Which is why Riku gave her that Flower Keyblade to use. I don’t think Riku is rid of the Darkness. He just knows how to use it so that it won’t take over his heart like last time.

The Old Man used Ven’s Heart to open his own Kingdom Hearts, and like I said, soemthing must’ve happened to that Kingdom Hearts and all the hearts were released. Since it’s been well-documented that Sora can hold more than one heart withtin him, when The Old Man rose up into Kingdom Hearts, he gave up his own heart, and Kingdom Hearts couldn’t contain the energy and began to slowly release all the captive hearts. Since Ven had originally chosen Sora, his heart went to Sora, while The Old Man’s Heart went to Xehanort. So, when Sora used that Dark Keyblade to open his heart, he released his heart, Kairi’s, and Ven’s giving the empty shell Sora left behind, a heart.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 6:24 am 1185. Shadow

Okay so if kairi is of pure light and dark kingdom key was supposed to be passed on to her but it did not happen but if kairi is of pure light why wasnt the light kingdom key passed on to her,Also yes Riku found his way to use the darkness what i meant to say is thats how he got out of the realm of darkness.

Maybe the bald guys heart had went to kingdom hearts but darkness was too strong so thats when all the hearts were scattered in all the other worlds and whenever a heartless with a strong enough heart is released the keychain comes back to the keyblade or something.

Okay there has to be some certain reason the keyblades are going to the opposite characters and it has something to do with Xehanort,Well the bald guys heartless had a keyblade right when he appeared because it was his heart and the reason the bald guy did not have one for a while because He was the form of a nobody or he just took someone elses heart of kingdom hearts that is unknown hwo once wielded the keyblade he was using a keyblade later in the game so how do we know he did not do the same thing to the bald man that he did to Terra who knows?

He had to use a keyblade to open the door to darkness because his heart was incredibly strong plus he was super human i wonder if Terra was superhuman.

The Bald Guy had a keyblade but it wasnt Vens that had opened kingdom hearts it was the bald mans keyblade supposedly of his heart that unlocked it cause he wanted them to reek Havoc on the worlds and yes the keyblades were most likely buried underground in the gathering place.

What i think is that the first three keyblades they were wielding was the first keyblades and that the keyblade Ven used was destroyed and it seemed to have no keychain either so how did they not where could the keychains have gone if they didnt have keychains but you notice the keyblades in the ground have keychains and so does starseeker didnt they?

Well Ven got the oblivion keyblade for what reason?
I notice Roxas is Vens spirit made through Sora but how do we know how he got Soras keyblade for sure and how did Riku get Way to The Dawn cause that must mean it was passed on to Riku because of the way he chose.
Maybe Terra did not choose Sora but thats hwo Ven chose and he got the keyblade of Terra anyway and Riku got Way to The Dawn if Soul Eater really was a keyblade maybe it was a dusk keyblade.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 6:30 am 1186. Daylight

I dont think Kairi was ever meant to get a Keyblade to start with anyways. If shes a princess of heart, and her heart is full of light, why would she get the inverse keyblade of Soras?? that dont make sence, if anyone would get that key would be Riku… In theory i think the dark realm Keyblade can only adquired if someone goes thru some sort of test, or you can not get it. Thats why Mickey went on his quest for it, because he knew it needed 2 keyblades to lock kingdom hearts in 1st game.

The man/boy who get the kingdom key of light, basacly has the tough job of wandering why he ended up with it, since he is chosen to be a keyblade master, while the other key you have to willingly want to have it, so you go for this quest just like mikey did. Just a theory… or their would not be a side story of Mikey in the dark realm… makes sence right.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 6:59 am 1187. Daylight

In all honesty, i think you guys are reading to much in to it. Coming with xplanations for stuff that never really had any question in the 1st place. Like Kairi only gets a keyblade at the end of the 2nd game, so how can you assume she was meant to get the dark realm keyblade in 1st game lol.. its kind of a long shot in the dark guys.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:03 am 1188. Daylight

IN simple terms a keyblade is only as powerfull as its wielder’s heart. The why theres so many deferent keyblades, is because there are so many deferent people with strong hearts, bad and good.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:04 am 1189. Shadow

In other words like,the bald guys heartless was released to kingdom hearts and it would have been just the spirit still around the nobody then so he went through Terra to keep a heart but his heartless is still within him but how did he keep his heartless and himself with a keyblade with keychains he must have had two hearts within his one so that made him an all new character and thats why each of the twos keyblades were different but you notice they were similar so i believe the bald guys keyblade was a Dawn keyblade and the heartless was a dusk keyblade or just Dark.

Ven did have his heart passed on through kingdom hearts and then when he had his heartless he was just a spirit and then had passed it on to Sora because if he did this before KH1 that means he would have Kairi,Ven and his own heart in him,unlikely.

So Vens soul was passed through Xehanort after he was released so then he took his heart and then he had used it to open the door to darkness then he had lost his heart maybe by that dark soldier of baldys but maybe not and it seems that the heart was released somewhere else and then you notice Riku took Xehanorts and or Xemnas form to get out of the realm and i wonder if mickey did similar he too was in an org. costume.

So heres the outcome of that,thats when Riku had gotten the Way to The Dawn because they each followed different paths and so Terra was passed on to Sora and Ven was passed on to riku and that it is opposite with hwos spirit they have though but now Riku no longer had Xemnas form and Vens heart was passed on to him and he could wield the keyblade and Terra had awakened after having his heart passed on through Sora but that gave Ven that keyblade and Sora got that keyblade and also since the keyblades now fit each heart and Vens spirit is back in Sora and Terras heart returned that means Terra can be awakened but Ven cant be with his heart because Roxas wasnt defeated.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:26 am 1190. Shadow

Daylight,NO need to have a hissy fit just because some people are speculating on kingdom hearts 3 and you know what makes sence and making explanations for things that never really had a question to them in the first place thats is quite stupid and insulting of you to say if youre going to comment dont be a jerk about it,doesnt make sence well okay if youre so smart what are some real things that have questions to them and answer them and you know what you doesnt…Make sence because Riku was going to get Soras keyblade but it never happened did it because Riku chose a different path and Kairi didnt get the dark keyblade because her heart didnt take that path the three have connections with sora,riku,and kairi and Nomura said the keyblades were supposed to show the connections…

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:26 am 1191. Daylight

and in all honesty we have no clue what Kingdom hearts is.. and im seenig you guys saying all this stuff, just makes me think, are you inventing all of this, cause iv never heard of any hint of any of these theorys lol? specialy to do with the 3 knights in the secret video, i have no clue who they are, but over here seams you guys have it all figured out lol

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:27 am 1192. Daylight

no having a fit… just saying what i think,.. arent you??

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:28 am 1193. Shadow

Daylight,You can comment just be a little nicer.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:29 am 1194. Daylight

and Shadow dont assume you know me.. your assuming im saying stuff in a negative way, when im simply pointing out the truth, if you have essues get them sorted, im posting what i think thats all, if i insolted you, it was not my point to insolt you, but i think you need to chill out.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:33 am 1195. Daylight

apart from that, there is no nice way to comment, im not posting abhout anyones inetelenge or imagination, im posting about what i think, and i think you may be reading to much in to it thats all. I post with honesty not sarcasm.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:37 am 1196. Shadow

Daylight,I do not seem to see any of these theories anywhere else besides these comments pages either we do not have the game totally figured out for sure were just putting the clues together and making theories of what may most likely be it they are just theories after all,but i to think they are pretty good but i dont know about figuring out the hwole thing.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:40 am 1197. Daylight

i just want you to know iv been here for past hour readin from page 35, since this is only part of this site that i see people posting interesting stuff, im not just posting without reading the posts you and Ace have been laying out here.
IDk maybe its just me, but its just a bit over the edge. dont get me wrong, hey imagining this stuff aint easy, specialy to come up with new stuff all the time.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:42 am 1198. Shadow

Daylight,I am not really commenting like i know you but you said you are explaining things that dont really have any questions as if i have been wasting my time and you capitolized IN,in,IN simple terms as if it was an insult but i know its not really a big deal after all.

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:46 am 1199. Shadow

Do you mean over doing the theories as in Over the Edge?

on 25 Jul 2007 at 7:47 am 1200. Daylight

i dont call someothing you like to do a wast of time. Hey im old enough in so stage my perants keep saying playing games in a waste of time… so i dont think this is a waste of time..

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