I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

Can't argue with the driving abilities of most Philly residents. Snow days aren't bad but the day after have been some of the worst commutes I've ever experienced.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

No. Just no. If you have snow tires, plus training(like in Finland or Norway) you WILL know how to handle this bullshiat. I've spent my entire 38 years in the deep south ( unfortunately), and you're dead farking wrong.

Driving on ice and snow isn't that tricky.

Canadian here. A Subaru with snow tires feels like cheating. Other than that, it's all about being smooth and gentle. Just avoid sudden starts, stops, and turns. how much you can deal with depends on the tires, the car, and your driving ability.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving. If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of people who get stuck or run into problems. As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off. Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

optikeye:None of which explains Ohio drivers..who have the ability to ignore 'fast' and 'passing' lanes and drive as if they're 96 years old driving 10mph under the limit in the left lane of a interstate.

Honestly, if I had to re-write American law I would make a proviso whereby cars plated in Ohio were not road legal in the other 49.

A couple of days ago here in Central KY, I was going to work in the morning after a snow overnight. Behind me was a minivan trying to negotiate a slightly downhill curve when she spun out and slammed into a telephone pole. I stopped to make sure she was alright. She was shook up, but okay. I grew up in Indiana, and had some experience with Winter driving, but no one handles ice well. I got to work doing about 25 mph max.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving. If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of people who get stuck or run into problems. As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off. Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.

Everyone, you should be perfectly 100% prepared for the extreme conditions that hit your area very rarely. That means if you live some place like the arctic circle, you should still have an air conditioning unit for that once a decade day when the temps hit dangerously high levels. It means that you should always be wearing a bullet proof vest for that once in a lifetime chance that someone will try to shoot you in the chest. It also means that you should always have snow tires and chains for that once a decade storm that rolls through. No excuses for any of this. Everybody knows that money grows on trees and it's perfectly within reason to expect people to be ready for any situation that presents itself. I know I spent 3 times as much money to build my house to California building standards so that I know my place will withstand a 9.0 earthquake, and even though I'm not in a flood zone, it was built on stilts so that if ever we were to get record breaking flooding in my area, I'd not be one of the fools that loses my house.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving. If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of people who get stuck or run into problems. As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off. Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.

I have no doubt that there are some truly scummy douche bags who would inflict untold amounts of property damage against other people and put others' lives in danger simply so they could get home to watch their "shows".

fusillade762:meyerkev: I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough

It is possible to drive TOO slow on snow. Sometimes you need to keep your momentum up so your tires don't spin.

Yes, exactly. The "dinner show" for my wife and i tonight was watching people going too slow up a medium sized hill and then getting stuck about half way up. This was almost a constant for the hour we were out to dinner. Felt bad for the cops out there, they were pushing cars up the whole time we were out.

It's a natural reaction to let off the gas when you start sliding a little on the hill. You have to keep a steady pressure on the gas otherwise you're going to lose all momentum and be farked.

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving. If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of people who get stuck or run into problems. As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off. Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

Speak for yourself, smart guy. I drive an H1 Hummer (yes, the old school real deal), with studded snow tires, fitted with a snow plow. I also have snow chains just in case, but I've only used them once in like 7 years. If the shiat hits the fan, no one is stopping me from my destination.

I have no doubt that there are some truly scummy douche bags who would inflict untold amounts of property damage against other people and put others' lives in danger simply so they could get home to watch their "shows".

Adolf Oliver Nipples:Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

But but but the South! They are the only one who can't drive in a little snow remember? There were 20 headlines about it this week, we all laughed and pointed at them. Because we all drag race on 2 inches of ice for fun. That's just how badass we are in the North.

bearcats1983:It's a natural reaction to let off the gas when you start sliding a little on the hill. You have to keep a steady pressure on the gas otherwise you're going to lose all momentum and be farked.

Especially in Pittsburgh. You need a running start to make it up some of the hills around here. If there is a stop sign along the hill, ignore it. My car has some sort of idiotic traction control that cuts engine power when the wheels slip. I can't see see any situations where that is useful.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

lindalouwho:Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nobody can drive in the Philadelphia area. You'd know this if you ever had the misfortune to wait for hours at a time on the Surekill Expressway, which is only an expressway for a child on a bicycle. The rest of the time it's a crawl at best for hours because some Philly jerkoff wiped out and farked everything up, backing traffic all the way up to the Turnpike. It's no wonder King of Prussia's mall is so successful, nobody has ever made it any further than there.

Pittsburgh, however, is a different story. If you can drive in Pittsburgh, especially in winter, you can drive anywhere.

Philadelphia is Pennsylvania in name only. It's a different world, full of assholes and people who aren't yet old enough to be assholes. Don't lump the rest of us in with them.

PC LOAD LETTER:I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.

In NJ we're assholes who get where we're going and piss off everyone in-between, but it's a controlled chaos. In PA they're assholes who kamikaze each other and f*ck up the road for everyone behind them...

I was going to tell them to hand over their northerners license until I saw how the road was reflecting in the video. I may be from central New York, but I don't go out when it's icy like that if I can try. Those days I prefer to stay home and toasty warm if possible.

Those of you talking about driving on ice as being no problem are full of shiat. You are a liar if you claim otherwise. Yeah, you can do it, but you have to go 10 mph and give all of the other wrecked cars plenty of room. I drove from SLC up to Idaho in a mother of a storm once. Literally was going around 10-20 max for a large stretch of that. I'm talking sheet ice. Cars and semis off the road everywhere.

Driving on snow is not the same thing as driving on ice. With good tires you get plenty of traction. So long as you don't make sudden moves (braking or turning).

/grew up driving in the northeast.//drove plenty of miles in north-easterner storms chasing the snow up to Vermont.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan

Pffft. It's tough, especially for those of us have one hill after another, and hundreds of bridges over water that freeze up with black ice with just the wind.

*rolls eyes

The ones who should really feel shame are the dozens who went to the hospital with their "bumps and scrapes" and dollar signs in their eyes

It doesn't matter what ridiculous and unfounded stereotypes are associated with you in regards to your race, creed, gender, age, sexual orientation, nationality, regionality, socioeconomic status etc, etc, etc ... when it comes to driving in the kinds of conditions that these severe winter storms present, you're going to have a bad time.

I don't care what part of the country you're from or what kind of vehicle you're driving. If road conditions change from perfect to 1/2 inch or more of ice and slush within minutes, there's going to be a percentage of people who get stuck or run into problems. As the sheer number of those people add up, the roads get gridlocked and cut off. Once that happens, you can have 999,400,340,potato wheel drive with chains and baby Jesus in the passenger seat, and you're still going to get into trouble.

PSA: Please have baby Jesus IN THE BACK SEAT and SECURED IN A CARSEAT.

Lee Jackson Beauregard:PC LOAD LETTER: I have noticed that a disproportionate amount of time, when there's a complete asshole on the road driving like a dick, they have PA plates. Almost as much as NJ.

I went to visit my grandmother who moved there about 10 years ago. She took us to the beach to have an afternoon on a boardwalk. Just a normal 20 mile drive down a long, straight highway, right?

WRONG!

First off, there was an entire lane for golf carts only and they were turning in and out at all times. I mean WTF. Secondly, there was this sudden downpour. One minute it's cloudy. The next about one bay's worth of water is pouring out of the sky. It's like Niagara Falls on the American side right onto the highway. Hydroplane city. 10 minutes later, the rain's stopped and the puddles are gone. Then there was this bridge that went like 100' up in the air and down again in a big hump across open ocean. Holy shiat would I crap myself if an earthquake had hit right then. Finally we get there and it's a bunch of red necks drivin' a few sodas in along with the old men on carts who are also sloshed. Craziness.

Honestly, I bet Florida drives suck out of state simply because they keep waiting for something to go horribly weird.

lindalouwho:Abacus9: meyerkev: No one knows how to drive on ice and snow.

I mean yes, go slow, but you can never go slow enough (you can only get lucky) and it only takes a few accidents to fark up the roads entirely.

The difference is that the North is a LOT better at sitting in on cold winter nights, and then getting the white stuff cleared off fast.

/And it helps if your region is flat with straight roads. I HAVE driven 70 MPH over ice and snow. Not by choice, and I'm lucky I'm not dead, but the problem isn't the speed, it's the acceleration//Plus there's that whole "Snow has traction, ice doesn't, this is non-intuitive to people who get both of them once every 5 years".

Bullshiat. All it takes is concentration. I've been driving on ice for twenty years, no problem. Never used snow tires. The key is to drive in a straight line if you can, be very careful on turns, and always stay on the inside of the curve. Also, don't drive too fast, but that's obvious. Ice isn't a big deal, 8 or more inches of snow is much more dangerous. When it's so high it's brushing the underside of the car, it gets tricky. You need to strike a balance, as it takes more acceleration to get moving, but too much and you skid.

/from Michigan

Pffft. It's tough, especially for those of us have one hill after another, and hundreds of bridges over water that freeze up with black ice with just the wind.

*rolls eyes

The ones who should really feel shame are the dozens who went to the hospital with their "bumps and scrapes" and dollar signs in their eyes

I've drive seventy plus on ice slicked freeways, it's not a big deal. It helps to have experience. No sudden acceleration and it's fine.