Discussion of Round #3

Antarctica is a harsh unforgiving place. Perhaps one of the few true frontiers left on Earth. Man has dreamed of and been celebrated for their attempts to conquer this inhospitable place. Antartica is a place populated by the rugged and tough, right now it is populated by chumps. For if these 4 chumps cannot kill one of the two Things this round, then man's own conquest will stem from the frozen southern continent. All is not lost however, for during the night, another blood sample was analyzed.....are the results in?

Was considering claiming Seer for the heck of it, and see if any wolves cracked under the pressure, but I feel like you would all be too close minded to the possibility I was a human claiming Seer for reactions.

Since we do have the Seer that means we could definitely have some help due to their divinations which we definitely need. I suspect Smithy the most at the moment. But I'll let the Seer speak before voting.

Well OC
I had not posted as night ended at about 10pm and I was doing laundry and cleaning my house at that time. I have to work all day today and tomorrow and won't have time to do it (clean) in time for the Super Bowl party we are having on Sunday as I also have to shop, cook and bake before then.

Unfortunately I am not the seer, but don't need to be to feel that HP is a good bet. He has commented on more than one occasion that Jayo is acting "odd". Perhaps to try to deflect suspicion off himself?
Also he was the first to point out that the Celt eating made little sense. Maybe to say "I can't be a wolf, look at little sense the eating made, I would never have eaten Celt" - again to avoid being looked at too closely perhaps.
I am not working until 4pm today so will be able to around all day between my classes that I have to catch up on. Will vote HP for now, but this is subject to change if someone has a better idea or the real seer hows up and gives a compelling argument for being seer and who he thinks is a wolf.

---This message was edited on 2013-02-01 06:48:33---How do you know it's Spring? The snow is gone and the Leafs are out.

I do think Putter is a good bet, probably my first choice, given his relative quietness and the fact that most of his posts were discussing things such as why Celt was a bad choice rather than who he thinks the wolves are. Plus we could have two classic examples of persistent defender, stating Har was human then reminding us the next round, and implying he would back out of the koin majority he kicked off if his hands weren't tied by the votes on him.

BUT I think all this dancing around with hints about who the Seer might be is a little dangerous in must lynch. Not voting yet."They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

It is interesting to see that the Seer has not yet come forward, with everyone suspecting HP, there must be a good reason?
Maybe, but I'll take my vote off of HP to prevent the round ending without everyone getting more of a say in and I'll place it randomly for now Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Wait till the seer comes out before voting me but now we know one of the wolves is among jayo/habs.

Everyone suspecting me should already clear me. So thank you.

Also the use of Persistent Defender should clear me as well I invented accusing people of that tactic. And every time you accuse me of using a risky wolf tactic, it's always wrong. I do not play risky. This much is true and you know it, Smithy (Especially not using the same tactic twice)

The wolves could have rushed and ended the game if there were 2 votes on me. I can only assume a human would be hesitant and at least let me defend myself But then again, a smart enough wolf would retract their vote and wait for another human to vote me so they can jump on to end the game.

That's why I can say with reasonable certainty one of you two is a wolf

Putter come on, whether or not you are a human you have to do better than randomly calling our suspicion "baseless" and labelling yourself "clear" with no explanation (i.e. baselessly). If you're human maybe help us out and actually explain these facts that clear you?"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

I already explained them I don't play risky enough to use tatics I accuse others of (twice, might I add), and any time you have accused me of using such risky and reverse reverse psychological tactics, you've always been wrong. I just don't play that way. (Which I'd expect you to know by now)

And second is that everyone is suspecting me. We all know a) I'm too good a player for the likes of OC to have suspicion of me (let's be real ) and b) There's no one left who could potentially be my wolf partner.

Hence, we can clear me on reasonable grounds. And all your accusations were wrong for such an experienced player.

Putter your arrogance makes you a significantly poorer player than your skills could lead to.

I know my accusations were wrong, but they were there, after you'd said I'd "literally only accused (you) all game", something which is just patently untrue. And you voted for koin too so I'm not sure what your point is there.

I know I've been wrong a lot about you before but I'm not even implying some sort of elaborate double reverse bluff, just some basic reasoning.

EDIT: Also, there's no reason GA couldn't be your partner (correct me if I'm wrong), and OC only mentioned voting for you (and didn't actually do it) after three others had voiced suspicion, so could also be your partner, and your wonderul "God defence" falls down too.

---This message was edited on 2013-02-01 09:45:39---"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

You are by suggesting I would use the poor tactics I just defined myself, and ones I accused others of myself. I must be some sort of WW mastermind. I was voting cj out of self-preservation.

And my arrogance doesn't make me a poor player (I'm top 5 ). Just know I will hold this 0-3 game over your head if you choose to go on with all this evidence against you if you are human. There was no evidence last game when I made an error in judgement on spid.

OC is going to vote me, and set it up in a classic wolf style. GA, who knows. He's all over the place.

You may or may not have held your vote for preservation but your initial vote certainly was not, my vote was the third on koin and the second vote on you only came after that. And you were voting celt first round so you've got 0/2 too. And I didn't say poor, just poorer. "They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

cj reacted as I'd expect a human to, but I was unable to back out since he voted for me. That's not my fault Also, the celt thing was just because I thought Har was human. I've never seen him make those pleas to me when he's a wolf.I don't mind chasing thunder.

Right now I have that if Smithy is not a wolf, then the wolf pair is Habs/GA

Well, GA could very well be a wolf, but I most certainly am not. If GA is one of the wolves, I am not sure who the other would be. I am

How is Jayo cleared based on the deb eating? We know that Deb was not the seer, even if she "cleared" you - this does not actually make you clear as she was not in the seer, and has no more insight than any other player, aside from the wolves.

My guess would be HP/Jayo who were pointing at each other but are now both pointing to others OR GA/?. GA hasn't said a lot so he may be trying to stay below the radar.

OC has completely changed his style and level of play this game as he was told to do. I think this would be a risky move to make if he were a wolf. People notice things like that and it would be a bad idea to stick out so much.

Will wait to hear more before voting. I will place my final vote around 3:30 just before I leave, hopefully I will be able to sneak on a bit after I get to work.How do you know it's Spring? The snow is gone and the Leafs are out.

They're saying Jayo is cleared because Deb said Jayo was human then got eaten, which possibly means they thought Deb was the Seer, in which case she must have been right about Jayo. Logical enough but I don't consider Jayo "cleared" because the eating could easily have been essentially random or simply a choice of a quieter player, as happened with Celt in the first round.

I don't particularly agree that OC has changed his playing style all that much, still pretty quiet and non-committal, other than his post this round, which could have simple been following what others have said and wasn't accompanied with a vote.

GA really has been laying low for this game, maybe it's RL, maybe he hasn't got enough to work with, but it's still making me antsy."They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

They're saying Jayo is cleared because Deb said Jayo was human then got eaten, which possibly means they thought Deb was the Seer, in which case she must have been right about Jayo.
Logical enough but I don't consider Jayo "cleared" because the eating could easily have been essentially random or simply a choice of a quieter player, as happened with Celt in the first round.

sort of my thinking, I don't tend to think of any player as 'cleared' based on eatings as who knows what the wolves are doing most of the time. lol

I don't particularly agree that OC has changed his playing style all that much

Really? He seems more active this game than he normally is, still not extremely active, but more than he normally is.

GA really has been laying low for this game, maybe it's RL, maybe he hasn't got enough to work with, but it's still making me antsy.

Agreed his RL may be "interfering" with his playing the game, but usually a player who is going to be absent for that reason will let us know he/she will be only moderately active before hand.

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---This message was edited on 2013-02-01 12:27:08---How do you know it's Spring? The snow is gone and the Leafs are out.

If one of you is the seer, that would be of great help I refuse to vote right now, but I'll be forced to while I'm still in a tie.

We can't "clear" anyone 100%, but there is reasonable grounds to consider him clear - we'll have to make some assumptions without the seer if we want to win. It would be very stupid for the wolves to eat deb if they didn't have a strong hunch she was the seer, the seer is way too dangerous to the wolves in 10p games. I'm guessing our seer just hasn't had any good divinations, which is why they're leaving us to fend for ourselves.

I have just finished my first week back at school, so possibly that's why I have been less active, I don't know. I didn't really think I had been that inactive...

Anyway, the Seer is messing us around, and it'll be because they have no divinations probably. But even if they had one human divination that would still be helpful.

I think Smithy is definitely a wolf. Everything about his posts is what he is like when he's a wolf. He sounds more careful, and in his argument with Harry, he did not sound human at all. I don't really know how to explain my suspicion, but it's honest and true, and I genuinely believe he is a wolf. His comment about my supposed quietness was not genuine at all. He had not once mentioned before then anything about me, let alone my quietness. He only mentioned it after someone else did, and then said it was making him antsy? This is totally him jumping on my bandwagon and pretending this disturbed him when in reality he hadn't even thought twice about it.

Jayo, you are an idiot... you are the Seer and you're going to get eaten tonight, so you may as well out your divinations if you have any alive.

I do think HABS is human, so that leaves Harry or OC as Smithy's partner, and I haven't looked into which one it is at the moment, but if we shoot Smithy this round I will do that next round.

Needless to say, voting Smithy.

EDIT: Now the votes are really scattered, and we need to get a clear majority going quick so the wolves don't pounce on the human (since there are three votes guaranteeing at least one human), so I highly suggest you look at Smithy and then continue on to place a vote in for him.

You guys gonna listen to GA? You're gonna let him give the orders, I mean he could be one of those things.

If OC and I were the wolves we would have ended the round when we were both on and there were two other votes on you, putter.

GA's post was pretty flawed, when I'm a wolf my tell is that I'm "diplomatic" yet my involvement this time has been pushing through two misfires, poor judgement yes but you cannot construe that as my standard wolf play. And the fact that I'm suspicious for mentioning a piece of reasoning that somebody else mentioned makes no sense, I mean, if somebody makes a perfectly valid point why would a human not agree with it?

So you sweethearts were about to have yourselves a little lynching party, huh? I might just have to put an end to you.

---This message was edited on 2013-02-01 16:18:38---"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

Agreeing with it wasn't what I said was suspicious, Smithy. The fact you went so far to say that it made you antsy rang untrue and that you were exaggerating something you had no prior thoughts on.

And yes you were diplomatic in your posts, but in the end it's the job of the wolves to make sure humans get shot, so you can't call human for shooting two humans.

And at the same time you and OC were online, so were HABS and Jayo, and whoever placed the vote in for Harry would run the risk of one of them unvoting before the other got the message. And then you would be found out. Also, I don't think you'd put enough trust and responsibility in OC, Smithy, to go for a quick blitz.

Why are you acting like my one sentence was the most dramatic accusation of all time? It is definitely true that you have not had as much input in this game as usual, just go back through the rounds and check, now are you telling me a player being unusually quiet wouldn't make you "antsy"?"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

Actually Putter I got confused, I thought me and OC posted by each other when two votes were on but that was before the second vote, I'm not sure if we were on at the same time after that so scratch that particular piece of defence."They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

Im not going to let it end in a tie with me as a potential candidate, GA Don't worry. I think I can trust you anyway. I'm just hoping for someone to verify (specifically, Jayo) whether or not they noticed if OC was on.

Well right now my wolf pairs are GA/Habs, and Smithy/OC. GA is usually pretty soft as wolf, and that post seemed like classic human GA. So I figured it must be you and OC. But now I'm questioning how quick I was to rule out OC/Habs I don't mind chasing thunder.

Well I was hoping to not have to come out, GA, but nobody was voting oh and if it is 'obvious' that I'm the Seer and will be eaten tonight, then why not follow my vote??? You obnoxious attitude is really annoying by times.

Habs is a werewolf, I am the seer, good luck humans, ur gonna need it.

I needed help this round but couldn't hide due to the only other voter was a wolf

Jayo to be fair to him it's pointless hinting and dancing around it, the wolves can see who knows what they're doing but the humans can't so you may as well come out and say it, the only people you're confusing is the humans. Besides I thought you were leading us towards Putter..."They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

You have a divined wolf, then you push on Harry, and then vote HABS and watch all of us suspect each other, when you're obviously Seer. You then offer the chance that both Harry and HABS are human, when you have divined HABS as a wolf. I'm sorry but how is this at all bad play by me? How on earth were we to come to the conclusion you had divined HABS as a wolf?

You didn't need help, all you had to do was out your divination. You have wasted a whole round where we could have searched for HABS' partner.

EDIT: Was your play really that poor, or are you not the real Seer? I am not voting HABS until OC comes on and outright claims he is not the Seer. It's around 9am for him so hopefully he will get on soon...

Habs being a wolf clears me, at least. So having patience wasn't all that bad. And I think we can say with good certainty GA is clear. I also think Smithy is pretty clear. I thought that interaction between Habs and OC last round ruled them out as partners, but now it looks very fabricated.

Habs did try to say OC was less suspicious based on his apparent change in gameplay, which personally I couldn't see (and the fact that he's been hovering on the online now list now for a while without posting backs this up ) so that lends credence to the Habs/OC pairing."They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."

Finally, the group was on to something. HABS was a little too off her game, a little too bizzare, a little to quaintly inhuman. For the first couple days they thought it was simply that she was Canadien, but it wasnt., so said the great equalizer, The Flamethrower.

As HABS burned, the group exchanged wary glances at one another, was the ordeal over? Fat chance chumpies, one threat remains Here is Sub-Zero, now PLAIN ZERO

Using Login Times Subtely: -5 MegaKurts
Using Login Times Blatantly: -25 MegaKurts
Using the Phrase "Too Defensive": -3 MegaKurts
Failure to Vote: -35 MegaKurts (unless the round ends early)
Failure to Post: -100 MegaKurts (unless the round ends early)
Being Generally Whiney: -5 MegaKurts
Not Logging In and Forcing a TimeOut: -35 MegaKurts (Can be waived if you are Deb, and were busy at the Water Park and have photographic proof)

Proving you have seen The Thing: 5 MegaKurts
Fitting in a quote from The Thing at an approriate time: 15 MegaKurts
Generally Epic Post: 10 MegaKurts
Torching a Thing with a Flamethrower (shooting a wolf: leader): 50 MegaKurts (will not be assigned until players role is already known)
Flamethrower Holder Guy (vote for a wolf): 10 MegaKurts
Winning the Game: 15 MegaKurts
Seer Shot: 20 MegaKurts to each wolf