Grrr... Roswatheist Discussion- kinda facepalm, eh? - Atheist Nexus2015-08-02T18:55:02Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/grrr-roswatheist-discussion-kinda-facepalm-eh?groupUrl=hangwithfriends&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThank you. That was part of m…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-12:2182797:Comment:20993612012-11-12T02:25:00.049ZRoswatheisthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DorisRashad
<p>Thank you. That was part of my point.</p>
<p>Thank you. That was part of my point.</p> I know that the Puritans pers…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-12:2182797:Comment:20992182012-11-12T02:24:19.326ZRoswatheisthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DorisRashad
<p>I know that the Puritans persecuted too, once they got here. After the eleven years of shitty living under Cromwell's Protectorate and no fun, no booze, no good music, no theater, and no hookers, it was payback time.</p>
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<p>What I meant to do was point out that that, on top of the other persecution of theists contributed to the colonists' desire for a secular nation.</p>
<p>I know that the Puritans persecuted too, once they got here. After the eleven years of shitty living under Cromwell's Protectorate and no fun, no booze, no good music, no theater, and no hookers, it was payback time.</p>
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<p>What I meant to do was point out that that, on top of the other persecution of theists contributed to the colonists' desire for a secular nation.</p> Right you are, Loren.
tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-11:2182797:Comment:20991882012-11-11T21:54:58.676ZRuth Anthony-Gardnerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RuthAnthonyGardner
<p>Right you are, Loren.</p>
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<p>Right you are, Loren.</p>
<p></p> I tend to go with sy8eycat on…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-11:2182797:Comment:20989092012-11-11T14:38:42.130ZPathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pat46
<p>I tend to go with sy8eycat on the issue of Puritans. They didn't come here to establish religious freedom. They came here to escape their own persecution, and the ability to persecute those who disagreed with them. Roger Williams and the founding of Rhode Island is a one example, and the criminalization of the celebration of Christmas by the Puritans, is another.</p>
<p>As to a religiously based government.</p>
<p><em>The trouble with theocracy is that everyone wants to be Theo. </em>James…</p>
<p>I tend to go with sy8eycat on the issue of Puritans. They didn't come here to establish religious freedom. They came here to escape their own persecution, and the ability to persecute those who disagreed with them. Roger Williams and the founding of Rhode Island is a one example, and the criminalization of the celebration of Christmas by the Puritans, is another.</p>
<p>As to a religiously based government.</p>
<p><em>The trouble with theocracy is that everyone wants to be Theo. </em>James Dunn</p> The problem with becoming a t…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-11:2182797:Comment:20987152012-11-11T11:58:45.722ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>The problem with becoming a theocracy is that you've rubbed people's noses in the crap, but with the theocracy established, it's liable to be 10 times more difficult to get shut of it. Indeed, I would expect it to be difficult to the point of requiring a WAR, a Second Civil War, to drive them out.<br></br><br></br>As to it having happened before, certainly WE know it, because we know our history. What's that old phrase? Oh, yeah:<br></br><br></br></p>
<p><em>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed…</em></p>
<p>The problem with becoming a theocracy is that you've rubbed people's noses in the crap, but with the theocracy established, it's liable to be 10 times more difficult to get shut of it. Indeed, I would expect it to be difficult to the point of requiring a WAR, a Second Civil War, to drive them out.<br/><br/>As to it having happened before, certainly WE know it, because we know our history. What's that old phrase? Oh, yeah:<br/><br/></p>
<p><em>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.<br/>--</em> George Santayana</p> Actually, the Puritans did a…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-11:2182797:Comment:20985992012-11-11T03:49:37.523Zsk8eycathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ElaineHampton
<p>Actually, the Puritans did a lot of their own harsh persecuting once they arrived over here. THAT kind of behavior was the main reason that men like Jefferson and Madison tried to give us a secular government.</p>
<p>In the meantime, every new poll shows that more and more Americans are saying they are not religious...almost 20% of all adults now...4 years ago it was 15%. The most encouraging thing is that younger adults who say they have no god-beliefs number…</p>
<p>Actually, the Puritans did a lot of their own harsh persecuting once they arrived over here. THAT kind of behavior was the main reason that men like Jefferson and Madison tried to give us a secular government.</p>
<p>In the meantime, every new poll shows that more and more Americans are saying they are not religious...almost 20% of all adults now...4 years ago it was 15%. The most encouraging thing is that younger adults who say they have no god-beliefs number <strong>30%</strong>.</p>
<p>Now, if we could only get the prez to boycott prayer breakfasts, and not say "s'welp me, god" when he's sworn in this time (and place his hand on a copy of the Coonstitution instead of a book of Middle Eastern myths). He's not running for office anymore, so he doesn't have to suck up to the fundie voters.... maybe he can get some work done now, even with a GOP majority still in the House.</p>