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OMG, if a competitor or spectator gets injured where will they be taken in an emergency? Most likely a NHS hospital, not left on a trolley until insurance and proof of payment is confirmed before treatment.

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I'm not positive because of the camera coverage. Yeah, it looked like the hot metal flowed into a central ring. But then they cut cameras to people and by the time they got back to the rings there were already 5 rings and already going up into the air. The rings ascending and forming and the shower of sparks was glorious though.

Only 1 ring was "made" in the stadium. The rest came form otuside the stadium. across the wires etc.

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It's funny how this conversation has gone since not one American has argued that it was propaganda aimed at us.

The British don't need no propaganda, except for a few less than actively using their brain all are happy with it. Or as somebody posted above: most consider it one of the greater post-imperial achievements of the country.

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Only 1 ring was "made" in the stadium. The rest came form otuside the stadium. across the wires etc.

Well that sounds cool, wish the cameras had included that. The illusion of the forging of the center ring was pretty darn grand, I bet watching the other rings float in from outside was fantastic. From the coverage I saw, they cut back to the rings when they were all there and just starting to float into formation.

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Well that sounds cool, wish the cameras had included that. The illusion of the forging of the center ring was pretty darn grand, I bet watching the other rings float in from outside was fantastic. From the coverage I saw, they cut back to the rings when they were all there and just starting to float into formation.

That's strange on BBC 1 we seen that happening. Must have been different cameras for different broadcasters?

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That's strange on BBC 1 we seen that happening. Must have been different cameras for different broadcasters?

Yeah, we don't get BBC or even BBC America with the cable provider we have now. Cool stations like that are part of the extra expensive package that we can't afford. We just had NBC on the local news channel. All the Olympic coverage with twice the commercial interruptions So it might be that BBC and NBC used different cameras. Or they could be using the same ones, and NBC just cuts differently than BBC does.

I'm willing to bet that within a few days a bunch of footage will be released on Youtube, and I can catch all the stuff I feel like I missed then. I think it would be worth it to watch a second time

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Yeah, we don't get BBC or even BBC America with the cable provider we have now. Cool stations like that are part of the extra expensive package that we can't afford. We just had NBC on the local news channel. All the Olympic coverage with twice the commercial interruptions So it might be that BBC and NBC used different cameras. Or they could be using the same ones, and NBC just cuts differently than BBC does.

I'm willing to bet that within a few days a bunch of footage will be released on Youtube, and I can catch all the stuff I feel like I missed then. I think it would be worth it to watch a second time

Ah I see. Yeah someone will porbably load the whole thing on youtube.

In the UK it's the BBC channels that make us have to have a TV license. So most people like me don't like the BBC. lol The adverts is good in cases like this, but normally the BBC channels just aren't worth it.

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Private healthcare would cost far less than the NHS budget. Most of its budget is wasted on beaurcracy, high wages, tall management structures and fixed drug prices. By privatising the NHS this wastage is reduced.

At the moment National Insurance Contributions (NICs) fund the NHS. If a business gave each of its staff a private healthcare policy instead of having to pay NICs then this cost would be slashed. The government can cover the unemployed and those in receipt of benefits.

There is no justification for having the NHS. Its like the cogs are broken in the minds of those who support it. The NHS is not free they pay for it with NICs deductions. Those deductions are higher than the cost of private healthcare and this is true for those on minimum wage.

Now I must cease this. You've derailed me. Start a new thread if you want to discuss the NHS and I will join.

you know as well as i do that no private healthcare for the normal person could provide what the NHS does. private healthcare provides quick operations and fast dental care but costly conditions like diabeties and cancer control would either bankrupt people or allow them to die .you are a typical tory supporter no concience,empathy or shame.

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you know as well as i do that no private healthcare for the normal person could provide what the NHS does. private healthcare provides quick operations and fast dental care but costly conditions like diabeties and cancer control would either bankrupt people or allow them to die .you are a typical tory supporter no concience,empathy or shame.

Under the NHS someone of poor health becomes a financial burdon on the state but under private healthcare they quickly reach the point where they cant afford treatment.

The important thing to remember here is that every peice of Socialism needs to be paid for through taxes. Higher taxes which usually target the commercial sector drive up business costs making them less competitive. The result is lower exports and higher imports. The British GDP is artifically low because of the high taxes in the state which are needed to pay for all the socialism.

Do you like paying council tax? income tax? NICs? VAT on fuel? VAT? road tax?

Do businesses like paying employee NICs and high corporation taxes?

Do you like paying your share of keeping 500,000 in prison cells?

Do you like paying for the pointless education of millions who wont get to use their qualifications?

If all the socialism was stripped out and taxes decimated the UK would very quickly become the worlds leading economic superpower. We were 100 years ago before all the above bs was introduced.

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Under the NHS someone of poor health becomes a financial burdon on the state but under private healthcare they quickly reach the point where they cant afford treatment.

The important thing to remember here is that every peice of Socialism needs to be paid for through taxes. Higher taxes which usually target the commercial sector drive up business costs making them less competitive. The result is lower exports and higher imports. The British GDP is artifically low because of the high taxes in the state which are needed to pay for all the socialism.

Do you like paying council tax? income tax? NICs? VAT on fuel? VAT? road tax?

Do businesses like paying employee NICs and high corporation taxes?

Do you like paying your share of keeping 500,000 in prison cells?

Do you like paying for the pointless education of millions who wont get to use their qualifications?

If all the socialism was stripped out and taxes decimated the UK would very quickly become the worlds leading economic superpower. We were 100 years ago before all the above bs was introduced.

There would then be an even bigger gap between the rich and the poor than there is now.

As for a health service,, yes, the rich could afford to have the luxury of a doctor or surgeon when needed and the poor would simply die a painful death. If this is the cost you have to pay to become a leading world power then you can keep it!

Just for the record I have always voted conservative but i dont agree with extreme right wing beliefs.

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There would then be an even bigger gap between the rich and the poor than there is now.

As for a health service,, yes, the rich could afford to have the luxury of a doctor or surgeon when needed and the poor would simply die a painful death. If this is the cost you have to pay to become a leading world power then you can keep it!

Just for the record I have always voted conservative but i dont agree with extreme right wing beliefs.

The irony is that as the economy expanded, unemployment would drop and then wages would rise.

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The irony is that as the economy expanded, unemployment would drop and then wages would rise.

Neo-liberal economics, as you are advocating, have always produced greater wealth disparity and growth of an underclass. Wealth disparity and economic hardship have grown in both the UK and the USA as a result of pursuing this economic model since the Thatcher and Regan era (the old whore nation raper).

You may have fallen for their extremist propaganda - but don't expect to convince any rational person you talk to.

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Neo-liberal economics, as you are advocating, have always produced greater wealth disparity and growth of an underclass. Wealth disparity and economic hardship have grown in both the UK and the USA as a result of pursuing this economic model since the Thatcher and Regan era (the old whore nation raper).

You may have fallen for their extremist propaganda - but don't expect to convince any rational person you talk to.

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Another lefty comes out of the woodwork!

The Labour Party were a disaster when it came to managing the economy. They were so bad they hid it by allowing 500,000 immigrants into the country every year to create the illusion of growth instead of shrinkage.

No doubt that is their plan for solving the economic problems too at the next election. How many will it be this time?

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The Labour Party were a disaster when it came to managing the economy. They were so bad they hid it by allowing 500,000 immigrants into the country every year to create the illusion of growth instead of shrinkage.

No doubt that is their plan for solving the economic problems too at the next election. How many will it be this time?

Do not try to distract from the failures of Right wing neo-liberalism - which the last labour government pursued with enthusiasm. Attacks on social programs by a rabid right winger hardly has much credibility as an argument.

I love how that's seen as an insult. Like "Lib". I think you'd be so much happier in America, where you could splutter about "Libs" and "Dems" to your heart's content, and you might find somebody who'd take you seriously.

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Do not try to distract from the failures of Right wing neo-liberalism - which the last labour government pursued with enthusiasm. Attacks on social programs by a rabid right winger hardly has much credibility as an argument.

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Neo-liberalism is not flawed it forms the basis on which a capitalist economy works. Its also taught to every business student in the land as part of their economics lessons.

The Labour Party did not pursue a policy of neo-liberalism. With its nationalisation of the banking industry it actually took the largest step to the left of any government in modern history. I could rip to peices its over expenditure on education and public services but I will stop there.

Britain does not have a capitalist economy it has a mixed one. I think you need to remember that when judging how much of a failure our modern economy is. Some figures for you from Labours last run of Government -

It only grew in years 1998 and 2000. Every other year from the Blair-Brown era we got a little poorer. Household incomes dropped by vast amounts as we payed higher taxes to support their education and public service policies.

The state has gradually become poorer since 2000 thanks to socialism. I've also missed off Eastern European workers so it will be much worse than the above figures show.

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Neo-liberalism is not flawed it forms the basis on which a capitalist economy works. Its also taught to every business student in the land as part of their economics lessons.

The Labour Party did not pursue a policy of neo-liberalism. With its nationalisation of the banking industry it actually took the largest step to the left of any government in modern history. I could rip to peices its over expenditure on education and public services but I will stop there.

Britain does not have a capitalist economy it has a mixed one. I think you need to remember that when judging how much of a failure our modern economy is. Some figures for you from Labours last run of Government -

It only grew in years 1998 and 2000. Every other year from the Blair-Brown era we got a little poorer. Household incomes dropped by vast amounts as we payed higher taxes to support their education and public service policies.

The state has gradually become poorer since 2000 thanks to socialism.

Fundamentally all parties have pursued a neo-liberal agenda - simply dressed up in marginally different ways. The current Government has contracted the economy in its two years in office which is not a good advert for your ideas. I would not be so bold as to support the mess which labour made of the economy - but thats not a big issue for me since I am not a labour supporter. However attacks on one of the most efficient health care delivery systems in the world in favour of a replication of failed American model just makes your position laughable.

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Fundamentally all parties have pursued a neo-liberal agenda - simply dressed up in marginally different ways. The current Government has contracted the economy in its two years in office which is not a good advert for your ideas. I would not be so bold as to support the mess which labour made of the economy - but thats not a big issue for me since I am not a labour supporter. However attacks on one of the most efficient health care delivery systems in the world in favour of a replication of failed American model just makes your position laughable.

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With the UK economy exporting banking and services while being an importer of food and petroleum we are limited in what actions we can take to balance the books. Austerity, quantitive easing and tax-cuts are pretty much all we can do. All are ineffective while we are coupled to the EU when it comes to kick starting the economy. The depression will last until the EU sorts itself out.

In global depressions its oddly enough countries like North Korea which are most able to resist the hardship. If everybody earns the same and the nation is self-sufficent you can hyper-inflate the debt away. But North Korea is also very poor with a low quality of life.

I disagree that the NHS is efficent. It has a tall management structure, people in it earn a state wage not one they would get in the private sector, drug prices are fixed artifically high and there is too much beaurcracy. The Americans had it right before Obama meddled. There is also the point that poor service provided by a privite company also costs it customers so there is pressure to perform.