Tony Stark is going to be one of the main characters in Guardians of the Galaxy if the new comic run of GotG is any indication (and it should be, since Marvel has been re-tooling characters to match the movies, and GotG was relaunched as promotion for the upcoming movie). They're starting the new series with Stark as a core member in his new space armor. Space-folk call him the Space Knight, too.

So with Tony galavanting around the galaxy, he won't be around to send the Hulk to space, nor would he want to since he's going to be out there himself.

ZeroCorpse:Tony Stark is going to be one of the main characters in Guardians of the Galaxy if the new comic run of GotG is any indication (and it should be, since Marvel has been re-tooling characters to match the movies, and GotG was relaunched as promotion for the upcoming movie). They're starting the new series with Stark as a core member in his new space armor. Space-folk call him the Space Knight, too.

So with Tony galavanting around the galaxy, he won't be around to send the Hulk to space, nor would he want to since he's going to be out there himself.

The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

Precision Boobery:The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

Like he said, he's ALWAYS angry.

The long answer is that he spent the last few years getting better at controlling it, learning to regulate his pulse, heartbeat, emotional state, etc. in an effort to have a say when and if "the other guy" comes out. He's always somewhat angry (because being The Hulk makes him an outsider and a monster, and he doesn't like that) and all he has to do is tap into that anger to let the Hulk out.

Precision Boobery:The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

It's a matter of controlling anger, rather than letting it control you. In The Avengers, when he 'Hulked Out' the first time, he'd been enraged (through the magic of the spear) to the point he lost control and the transformation started; the second time, he 'let the beast out' and was sort of...piloting it, I guess? When he says "I'm always angry" that's what he's explaining. He always has the potential to Hulk out, but he's learned to control it (usually).

Anyone that says "They should just film the story arc/graphic novel X" doesn't have a grasp of how good comic book movies are made. Adaptation is necessary. Bright skintight lycra doesn't film well. Character development must be drastically condensed into a handful of scenes. Good adaptation is hard and used to be rare but it's getting more common now.

Precision Boobery:The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

I've been told there was a bunch of major retconning done a while back. The end result was that the writers decided Hulk was never bad or angry, it was all Bruce Banner the whole time. And the Hulk was a separate being, not just another side of Banner. So they split up the two beings into their own bodies, and angry Bruce Banner has no power, while rational Hulk is always Hulk.

ZeroCorpse:Tony Stark is going to be one of the main characters in Guardians of the Galaxy if the new comic run of GotG is any indication (and it should be, since Marvel has been re-tooling characters to match the movies, and GotG was relaunched as promotion for the upcoming movie). They're starting the new series with Stark as a core member in his new space armor. Space-folk call him the Space Knight, too.

So with Tony galavanting around the galaxy, he won't be around to send the Hulk to space, nor would he want to since he's going to be out there himself.

You get the feeling they are going to wear out Iron Man's welcome fairly quickly, you can just see the parodies - JJ Abrams remake of "Titanic" with Iron Man, or "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies...and Iron Man" or whatever.

Brainsick:when he 'Hulked Out' the first time, he'd been enraged (through the magic of the spear) to the point he lost control and the transformation started

I don't remember that. Granted I was pretty blazed, but I thought the floor collapsed due to Hawkeye's attack and the pain and anger made Banner Hulk out. He has such a lack of control that he tries to kill his allies. Later on, he's actually pretty gentle. All that still doesn't explain how he turns back to Banner. When Stark woke up, it seems like the happiness and relief would have turned him back immediately. I know they had to find some way to have Hulk on the team, and I understand that Stark gave Banner a new perspective, but the end Hulk seems completely unrelated to the beginning Hulk. First he has almost zero control, then transforming is as simple as flexing a muscle.

Precision Boobery:Brainsick: when he 'Hulked Out' the first time, he'd been enraged (through the magic of the spear) to the point he lost control and the transformation started

I don't remember that. Granted I was pretty blazed, but I thought the floor collapsed due to Hawkeye's attack and the pain and anger made Banner Hulk out. He has such a lack of control that he tries to kill his allies. Later on, he's actually pretty gentle. All that still doesn't explain how he turns back to Banner. When Stark woke up, it seems like the happiness and relief would have turned him back immediately. I know they had to find some way to have Hulk on the team, and I understand that Stark gave Banner a new perspective, but the end Hulk seems completely unrelated to the beginning Hulk. First he has almost zero control, then transforming is as simple as flexing a muscle.

Oh well, whatever, it's just a stupid movie (that I love).

To me it was obvious the spear was making everyone angry. That was Loki's whole plan, get everyone, especially Hulk, on the ship and have them fight. Banner even picked up the spear during the argument.

And Hulks control was clearly set up in the Ed Norton Hulk film, that is in the same continuity despite the actor change, where at the end he chooses to Hulk out and is able to "aim" his/Hulk anger at the baddie. So if he loses his temper and Hulks out he has no control. If he chooses to change he can retain control. It seems perfectly plausible to me, as plausible as anything can be in a superhero film.

Flint Ironstag:Precision Boobery: Brainsick: when he 'Hulked Out' the first time, he'd been enraged (through the magic of the spear) to the point he lost control and the transformation started

I don't remember that. Granted I was pretty blazed, but I thought the floor collapsed due to Hawkeye's attack and the pain and anger made Banner Hulk out. He has such a lack of control that he tries to kill his allies. Later on, he's actually pretty gentle. All that still doesn't explain how he turns back to Banner. When Stark woke up, it seems like the happiness and relief would have turned him back immediately. I know they had to find some way to have Hulk on the team, and I understand that Stark gave Banner a new perspective, but the end Hulk seems completely unrelated to the beginning Hulk. First he has almost zero control, then transforming is as simple as flexing a muscle.

Oh well, whatever, it's just a stupid movie (that I love).

To me it was obvious the spear was making everyone angry. That was Loki's whole plan, get everyone, especially Hulk, on the ship and have them fight. Banner even picked up the spear during the argument.

And Hulks control was clearly set up in the Ed Norton Hulk film, that is in the same continuity despite the actor change, where at the end he chooses to Hulk out and is able to "aim" his/Hulk anger at the baddie. So if he loses his temper and Hulks out he has no control. If he chooses to change he can retain control. It seems perfectly plausible to me, as plausible as anything can be in a superhero film.

There's also the numerous times Banner is asked how he learned to suppress his anger. Right before he hulks out he finally shares the secret: "I didn't".

I'm not saying his control is perfect (random punching of Thor, lawl) but it seems like at this point he can at least keep in his mind who he's supposed to be angry at when he changes and the Hulk will stick to it. The thing on the airship was because the only people he was angry at were the other team members for basically turning on him. No viable target, Hulk smashes everything.

I wonder how long RDJ will keep at it. He seems to really embrace what Iron Man has done for him (unsurprisingly) and Iron Man 3 is looking pretty good IMO. Avengers 2 seems a given at least, but beyond that? Appearing in GotG (even a cameo), Iron Man 4, Avengers 3, etc?

He can't do it forever (although I'd love him to just be in like 10 of these things) but those are gonna be some tough boots to fill.

This, and it fits perfectly with the comics. Although I've always found it funny when they try to deal with the hulk in the comics, they always try to take him down, or control him when in reality the best way to deal with the hulk is "Don't start none, won't be none"

Electromax:I wonder how long RDJ will keep at it. He seems to really embrace what Iron Man has done for him (unsurprisingly) and Iron Man 3 is looking pretty good IMO. Avengers 2 seems a given at least, but beyond that? Appearing in GotG (even a cameo), Iron Man 4, Avengers 3, etc?

He can't do it forever (although I'd love him to just be in like 10 of these things) but those are gonna be some tough boots to fill.

I'd rather the movie franchise just ends when he walks away from it. Marvel has plenty of other characters they can base films around. I'm sure RDJ would still be open to the occasional cameo. As perfect as the casting of him was for Iron Man, Marvel would do well to allow him to be the only Iron Man, at least for quite a long time.

NeoCortex42:Electromax: I wonder how long RDJ will keep at it. He seems to really embrace what Iron Man has done for him (unsurprisingly) and Iron Man 3 is looking pretty good IMO. Avengers 2 seems a given at least, but beyond that? Appearing in GotG (even a cameo), Iron Man 4, Avengers 3, etc?

He can't do it forever (although I'd love him to just be in like 10 of these things) but those are gonna be some tough boots to fill.

I'd rather the movie franchise just ends when he walks away from it. Marvel has plenty of other characters they can base films around. I'm sure RDJ would still be open to the occasional cameo. As perfect as the casting of him was for Iron Man, Marvel would do well to allow him to be the only Iron Man, at least for quite a long time.

I never read comics but the vague impression I have of Stark from the comics was that he was actually 'old', like well into his fifties. Maybe it was because I was young at the time and every adult was 'old'. If Arnie could make T3 at 55 then RDJ, who is 47 now, could easily carry on for ten years. Longer even since he isn't playing a robot who doesn't age.

/My memory of the comics was that he had to wear the whole chest section of the Iron Man suit all the time, even under his clothes. Even as a kid I thought there was no way you'd be able to get away with that. No way your jacket would ever hang right, and what if someone patted you on the back?

Flint Ironstag:/My memory of the comics was that he had to wear the whole chest section of the Iron Man suit all the time, even under his clothes. Even as a kid I thought there was no way you'd be able to get away with that. No way your jacket would ever hang right, and what if someone patted you on the back?

Which is why they ended the first movie by having him 'come out' as Iron Man. Because the "bodyguard" story (which was canon for years and years) is stupid and transparent. Any 'secret identity' for Iron Man is stupid, in modern time what with all the tech we DO have that would detect him blasting off from Stark Tower all the time at the very least. Stupid and transparent was OK in the 60's and 70's, not so much anymore.

/Much like attitudes toward women, smoking, and auto safety have all changed since then.

Brainsick:Flint Ironstag: /My memory of the comics was that he had to wear the whole chest section of the Iron Man suit all the time, even under his clothes. Even as a kid I thought there was no way you'd be able to get away with that. No way your jacket would ever hang right, and what if someone patted you on the back?

Which is why they ended the first movie by having him 'come out' as Iron Man. Because the "bodyguard" story (which was canon for years and years) is stupid and transparent. Any 'secret identity' for Iron Man is stupid, in modern time what with all the tech we DO have that would detect him blasting off from Stark Tower all the time at the very least. Stupid and transparent was OK in the 60's and 70's, not so much anymore.

/Much like attitudes toward women, smoking, and auto safety have all changed since then.

Like the way no one ever thought Superman looked like Clark Kent without his glasses. Or even in the last Batman film Gordon was shocked to learn Bruce Wayne was Batman. Did no one realise Bane stole all his stuff from Wayne enterprises? And that included cars that looked exactly like the Batmobile? Did no one make the connection?

That recent trailer of IM3 does make me wonder about why Stark would make the Hulkbuster armor if he didn't intend to use it later though. Does he also have a ThorBuster armor in case he needs to take Thor down?

/yeah good luck with that//remember the comic where he tried///Thor was holding back in the past

Bendal:That recent trailer of IM3 does make me wonder about why Stark would make the Hulkbuster armor if he didn't intend to use it later though. Does he also have a ThorBuster armor in case he needs to take Thor down?

/yeah good luck with that//remember the comic where he tried///Thor was holding back in the past

I'm pretty sure this movie is going to show that New York screwed him up, there is now a whole universe of things that he didnt even consider to be possible before. He was caught unprepared, now he is basically going to prepare for every possible situation. Hence cosmic suit, Hulkbuster suit, and the armory of other suits shown in the trailer and concept art. He is going to go from IM2 Tony of "it could never happen" to a Batmanesque ready for anything Tony. And in the Marvel universe ready for anything means Hulk too.

Bendal:That recent trailer of IM3 does make me wonder about why Stark would make the Hulkbuster armor if he didn't intend to use it later though. Does he also have a ThorBuster armor in case he needs to take Thor down?

/yeah good luck with that//remember the comic where he tried///Thor was holding back in the past

I'm guessing it'll be something like "after Avengers where humanity realized violent alien armies are out there, Stark went nuts and made 50 different suits for a shiatload of contingencies".

Precision Boobery:The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

Banner is a seething pile of rage, he tried to disappear and learn to control it and has to some degree. When hurt or injured as happened on the Helicarrier it can slip out accidentally and that Hulk is bestial and uncontrollable, however he can choose to let the anger out and transform. That version of the Hulk recognizes friends and has some cognitive function. It's still somewhat violently impulsive (like when it punched Thor for no reason) but far less so.

Bendal:That recent trailer of IM3 does make me wonder about why Stark would make the Hulkbuster armor if he didn't intend to use it later though. Does he also have a ThorBuster armor in case he needs to take Thor down?

/yeah good luck with that//remember the comic where he tried///Thor was holding back in the past

He does have a Thorbuster armor. Thor helped him build it in case Loki or the Enchantress ever mind controlled Thor. It's powered by an Asgardian gem.

Digitalstrange:Precision Boobery: The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

Banner is a seething pile of rage, he tried to disappear and learn to control it and has to some degree. When hurt or injured as happened on the Helicarrier it can slip out accidentally and that Hulk is bestial and uncontrollable, however he can choose to let the anger out and transform. That version of the Hulk recognizes friends and has some cognitive function. It's still somewhat violently impulsive (like when it punched Thor for no reason) but far less so.

I thought that was friendly "hell yeah buddy" shoulder tap. Just from the Hulk.

Zarquon's Flat Tire:Digitalstrange: Precision Boobery: The Hulk logic of that movie kind of bothered me. I thought the point of Hulk was that he was uncontrollable rage, but then (after Banner just happens to putt-putt right up to where everyone is) he just decides to have it under control? Then what's the trigger to his becoming Hulk, and why doesn't he come back down if he's not raging?

I'm sure one of you nerds has an answer. (^_^)

Banner is a seething pile of rage, he tried to disappear and learn to control it and has to some degree. When hurt or injured as happened on the Helicarrier it can slip out accidentally and that Hulk is bestial and uncontrollable, however he can choose to let the anger out and transform. That version of the Hulk recognizes friends and has some cognitive function. It's still somewhat violently impulsive (like when it punched Thor for no reason) but far less so.

I thought that was friendly "hell yeah buddy" shoulder tap. Just from the Hulk.

Or a, I remember you sucker punched me on the helicarrier. So ill just sucker punch you here.

Flint Ironstag:Brainsick: Flint Ironstag: /My memory of the comics was that he had to wear the whole chest section of the Iron Man suit all the time, even under his clothes. Even as a kid I thought there was no way you'd be able to get away with that. No way your jacket would ever hang right, and what if someone patted you on the back?

Which is why they ended the first movie by having him 'come out' as Iron Man. Because the "bodyguard" story (which was canon for years and years) is stupid and transparent. Any 'secret identity' for Iron Man is stupid, in modern time what with all the tech we DO have that would detect him blasting off from Stark Tower all the time at the very least. Stupid and transparent was OK in the 60's and 70's, not so much anymore.

/Much like attitudes toward women, smoking, and auto safety have all changed since then.

Like the way no one ever thought Superman looked like Clark Kent without his glasses. Or even in the last Batman film Gordon was shocked to learn Bruce Wayne was Batman. Did no one realise Bane stole all his stuff from Wayne enterprises? And that included cars that looked exactly like the Batmobile? Did no one make the connection?

I'm sure it made Gordon the character question who Batman was. But just because it turns out the Batmobile was made by Wayne Enterprises doesn't automatically = Bruce Wayne is Batman. It could be an employee who worked on special projects, or someone in the Pentagon (remember, Wayne Enterprises had been developing much of Batman's gear for the U.S. Military) or any other number of people. There'd have to be more clues to make the connection between Bruce Wayne and Batman.

Faith Logic Passion:I'm sure it made Gordon the character question who Batman was. But just because it turns out the Batmobile was made by Wayne Enterprises doesn't automatically = Bruce Wayne is Batman. It could be an employee who worked on special projects, or someone in the Pentagon (remember, Wayne Enterprises had been developing much of Batman's gear for the U.S. Military) or any other number of people. There'd have to be more clues to make the connection between Bruce Wayne and Batman.

It should have been enough to at least consider the connection. How about look at a photo of Wayne and a photo of Batman's visible features? Hell, in the last film Batman had disappeared for six years, the exact same time Wayne had become a recluse. And no one made the connection?

Flint Ironstag:It should have been enough to at least consider the connection. How about look at a photo of Wayne and a photo of Batman's visible features? Hell, in the last film Batman had disappeared for six years, the exact same time Wayne had become a recluse. And no one made the connection?

Well JGL made the connection, although IIRC the reason was sort of cheesy. Gordon sleuthing out Batman's identity might've been a cool scene, but I don't think it improves the movie. It isn't like he would go arrest Bruce, and him showing up at Bruce's house to beg him to come back isn't as compelling as him deciding to come back on his own, IMO.

I was really won over by Ruffalo's performance as Banner. So, I am glad they are not going with the Planet Hulk story, because we'd get only the CGI hulk, since, if i remember correctly, he never reverts to Banner during that story.

Flint Ironstag:To me it was obvious the spear was making everyone angry. That was Loki's whole plan, get everyone, especially Hulk, on the ship and have them fight. Banner even picked up the spear during the argument.

The spear actually gained that power from the Mind Gem, one of the Infinity Gems. This makes sense when you realize Thanos is coming, and we've seen Marvel Studios wheel out an Infinity Gauntlet prop in the past at various conventions. The prop also showed up in Thor, in Asgard... But it was MISSING the Mind Gem (the one on the back of the hand).

There's just no question that Loki was using the Mind Gem to influence the team, especially the Hulk. The rage transformation earlier in the film was forced, not just accidental. The transformation to the Hulk later was voluntary, as Banner has been able to do since the last scene of The Incredible Hulk.

Flint Ironstag:NeoCortex42: Electromax: I wonder how long RDJ will keep at it. He seems to really embrace what Iron Man has done for him (unsurprisingly) and Iron Man 3 is looking pretty good IMO. Avengers 2 seems a given at least, but beyond that? Appearing in GotG (even a cameo), Iron Man 4, Avengers 3, etc?

He can't do it forever (although I'd love him to just be in like 10 of these things) but those are gonna be some tough boots to fill.

I'd rather the movie franchise just ends when he walks away from it. Marvel has plenty of other characters they can base films around. I'm sure RDJ would still be open to the occasional cameo. As perfect as the casting of him was for Iron Man, Marvel would do well to allow him to be the only Iron Man, at least for quite a long time.

I never read comics but the vague impression I have of Stark from the comics was that he was actually 'old', like well into his fifties. Maybe it was because I was young at the time and every adult was 'old'. If Arnie could make T3 at 55 then RDJ, who is 47 now, could easily carry on for ten years. Longer even since he isn't playing a robot who doesn't age.

/My memory of the comics was that he had to wear the whole chest section of the Iron Man suit all the time, even under his clothes. Even as a kid I thought there was no way you'd be able to get away with that. No way your jacket would ever hang right, and what if someone patted you on the back?

That's good in theory, but Arnold took a lot better care of himself than RDJ, so it's not a surprise he can still do physical roles into his sixties.

Downey is in decent shape now, but in a few years, those 2 and a half decades of substance abuse will catch up to him physically.