Interesting. All the teams with less wins are either very good or at least decent (Wizards). So if the Raptors choose to tank, they could become the biggest loser on that list next year.

Fri Jul 19th, 2013, 10:15 PM

Miekenstien

God the clippers were bad before griffen

Sat Jul 20th, 2013, 04:20 AM

Karl Marx.

How about while they were in Vancouver?
Over the course of 6 season they wan total of 101 games.
Next worst team was the Clippers with 137.

What is interesting is that there is a huge gap between bottom 5 and the rest. And with Nets being 6th worst team, that gap will only get bigger. We are just 34 wins above last place Grizzlies. With all teams behind us being in win now more, if we go into another rebuilding process, we can go bottom of the table.

What I am proud with is the fact that we never finished last in the standings. Were never close to even do so.

Sat Jul 20th, 2013, 10:42 AM

rap

You are famous Marx. Your article was linked to another site I frequent where they describe the top 10 teams as teams that are consistent contenders, often well managed and often don't tank. Whereas the teams in the bottom 10 are the teams that more commonly tank.

Sat Jul 20th, 2013, 03:02 PM

Karl Marx.

I am more famous for my work in Economy, mostly Capital and Communist Manifesto, but its nice to be famous in the Raptors community as well.

Sat Jul 20th, 2013, 03:20 PM

ezz_bee

Quote:

Karl Marx. wrote:

I am more famous for my work in Economy, mostly Capital and Communist Manifesto, but its nice to be famous in the Raptors community as well.

hahahahahahahhaha

Das CAPITAL!!!

Sun Jul 21st, 2013, 08:40 AM

Beagle

I had no idea New Orleans was so good!

Sun Jul 21st, 2013, 05:10 PM

planetmars

Quote:

Beagle wrote:

I had no idea New Orleans was so good!

This is why Chris Paul is getting paid a max salary.

Tue Jul 23rd, 2013, 05:29 AM

Karl Marx.

Its not just Paul. They have been consistently good in Charlotte. That first season they were led by Glen Rice and Larry Johnson, both averaging over 20 points. Not counting the last two seasons, they have only had two seasons under 37 wins.

It depends what you mean by tanking. From what I understand, we want to rebuild, but even so, we can not move our existing contracts, so we will have a very decent team. There is no way we win under 30 games. And that will take us well over 610.

Washington can overtake us. They are only 3 Wins back and have a good team.
Clippers are a contenders and can come close, but not to close.
Golden State and Memphis have no chance.

I'm pretty sure if we added playoff wins during that same span we'd be dead last. The Grizzlies have been a successful playoff team for the last couple of years, the Warriors are likely close but still ahead. Clippers should surpass our all-time playoffs wins this season alone and even the Wizards make it eventually.

Tue Aug 20th, 2013, 11:33 AM

Karl Marx.

NBA Standings since 2001-02

I think that these NBA standings can also be of interest to our fans. Why? We have been very lucky with our draft selections early in our history, which made us successful for an expansion team. But since 2001-02, we have resembled the worst team in the NBA even though we never actually finished the season last. Here are the standing:

I'm pretty sure if we added playoff wins during that same span we'd be dead last. The Grizzlies have been a successful playoff team for the last couple of years, the Warriors are likely close but still ahead. Clippers should surpass our all-time playoffs wins this season alone and even the Wizards make it eventually.

If we count in ESPN projections for the next season AND add playoff wins, I guess we would find the way to create the table that would have the Raptors last. But lets not rush. Lets see what happens this season.

Wed Aug 21st, 2013, 06:07 AM

Axel

I'm not trying to skew the list so we are last, but in terms of team success, playoff wins are definitely an important factor to consider.

Wed Aug 21st, 2013, 08:44 AM

Karl Marx.

Quote:

Axel wrote:

I'm not trying to skew the list so we are last, but in terms of team success, playoff wins are definitely an important factor to consider.

You mean along with regular season wins?
I can agree with that, but when we are comparing bad teams, these is no point on comparing them based on playoff results because there is very little to compare them on.
The only thing we can do is put playoff wins into standings we created.

Wed Aug 21st, 2013, 09:32 AM

Axel

Quote:

Karl Marx. wrote:

You mean along with regular season wins?
I can agree with that, but when we are comparing bad teams, these is no point on comparing them based on playoff results because there is very little to compare them on.
The only thing we can do is put playoff wins into standings we created.

Even the bad teams will have some playoff success when you are looking at such an extended period. If you were looking at a 5 year window, then I'd agree that they aren't as relevant, but in total team success over 17 years, playoff wins are definitely an important consideration.

Wed Aug 21st, 2013, 09:35 AM

S.R.

It begs the question - are we in denial about how truly miserable the past (nearly) 20 years have been? It doesn't seem that bad. This franchise doesn't feel as dysfunctional as the Sterling's Clippers (pre-Paul/Griffin), the Wolves (KAHN!), or the Wizards (guns in the locker room!). How is it that the Raps haven't hit some of the low lows of some of these teams, yet record-wise are just as bad? Fan blinders?