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Re: Cliff Jensen

No pity for CLiff at all, even if it turns out she's lying.
He fled FL to avoid facing the consquences of his actions,then went on twitter and bragged about being on the run and how much weed he was smoking.
As myself and Allcide stated, it was only a matter of time before the law caught up with him, one way or another. And his twitter posts are going to virtually ensure he goes to prison. You don't brag about breaking the law and get away with it.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by Mnestor

So another case of *some* not *all* of the beautiful people allegedly doing UGLY THINGS. Wonder if he will still have suppoters? Yes, I know a dumb question all one has to d is look at the case of Steven Daigle/Trent Locke abuse and wonder how people can still be fans of Daigle.

Well as Veronica said to JD in Heathers "someone else is just gonna take his place". PLEASE LET IT BE A TRUE GAY MALE NICE PORNSTAR they are out there PORN STUDIOS they are not MYTHS

Exactly . I'm trying not to be too cynical ,but lately the pretty people that I've given the benefit of the doubt to,particular some of these models ,turn out to be the ugliest in character .sigh.

Re: Cliff Jensen

I removed my benefit of doubt for Cliff a long, long time ago.
His tweets showed exactly what kind of person he is.
As for Sienna, use this as a life lesson. Someone on the run from the law is NOT a good person, period.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by Ninja108

I removed my benefit of doubt for Cliff a long, long time ago.
His tweets showed exactly what kind of person he is.
As for Sienna, use this as a life lesson. Someone on the run from the law is NOT a good person, period.

Yep, you were definitely wired into this one early. Couldn't agree with you more (although it took me a little longer to realize it!)

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Yep, you were definitely wired into this one early. Couldn't agree with you more (although it took me a little longer to realize it!)

Don't feel bad. In addition to the very hot body he had, he wasn't the usual gay4payer who would bitch and moan about how awful it was to have gay sex for money. And his tweets made him seem like a very nice and likeable guy.
What turned me off even before his wish list and his gushing about his girlfriend was his attitude when it came to his probation violation.
Not only was there more to the story then what he told (surprise, surprise) but his actions afterwards sealed the deal.
Not only does he flee to another state, he brags about it on twitter and then continues to post videos for all the world to see of him breaking the law, a smile on his face the whole time..
That's what really angered me. You know you're on the run and that is the kind of attitude you have? ONe where you are basically taunting the cops and ensuring that the judge will come down on you like a ton of bricks?
Also, shame to all the studios (I know several post here) that employed someone while he was a fugitive. And don't tell us you didn't know,he only made about 60-70 tweets whining,and bragging about being one.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Everybody is being way too judgmental and critical. Not surprising though. This kid is very young and is making mistakes. Prolly doesnt have the best upbringing or the most education. He seems like a decent enough kid making poor choices. But hopefully he'll get it together.

If stupid old queens r pathetic enough to buy him shit on his wishlist, so what? People r becoming more and more materialistic and entitled. Many kids his age would take advantage if they could.

As far as the domestic violence, if you werent there u really shouldnt speak on it. Most of u r old enough to know better.

Re: Cliff Jensen consequences .

Originally Posted by aijalon18

Everybody is being way too judgmental and critical. Not surprising though. This kid is very young and is making mistakes. Prolly doesnt have the best upbringing or the most education. He seems like a decent enough kid making poor choices. But hopefully he'll get it together.

If stupid old queens r pathetic enough to buy him shit on his wishlist, so what? People r becoming more and more materialistic and entitled. Many kids his age would take advantage if they could.

As far as the domestic violence, if you werent there u really shouldnt speak on it. Most of u r old enough to know better.

you are entitled to your opinion , just as anyone is entitled to theirs.
I agree that cliff is making poor choices and I too hope he gets it together .I don't wish any harm to him.

I disagree however that cliff should be excused from his actions due to age or upbringing . And calling some of these actions 'mistakes ' is not as simple as that, in my opinion . To me, a mistake is along the lines of something as mild as driving too far,and missing an exit. Cliff made mistakes that were also crimes and committing crimes and being caught has consequences and Cliff has every reason to accept responsibility for his actions and face those consequences . No, we don't know all the details but we do know that the police had a valid reason to arrest him for these charges and that's why he is in jail right now.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by aijalon18

Everybody is being way too judgmental and critical. Not surprising though. This kid is very young and is making mistakes.

I was with him on the initial "joyriding" in a golf cart. I, too felt the punishment was too harsh for the crime. I was still with him while he smoked pot during his probation (though I knew it was a BAD idea, I get it.) I was EVEN still rooting for him when he left FL, although I shook my head in disbelief. The arrogance of taunting the justice system made me really start to worry and I had inkling that it wouldn't end well, but I still didn't wish him any ill and I still kinda liked him.

What LOST me was the Amazon Wishlist so that sad guys with money could buy him things.

He seems like a decent enough kid making poor choices.

This is where you lost me. He isn't a decent kid, he's a kid who has learned to use what he can and play the system for his own benefit. He's a user.

If stupid old queens r pathetic enough to buy him shit on his wishlist, so what?

So if pathetic "old people" are dumb enough to let themselves be scammed out of money because they trust people then that's cool too? Live and let live, right?
What Cliff did may not be illegal but it is SLIMY. At a certain point, it's perfectly acceptable to make a judgment about somebody's character.

People r becoming more and more materialistic and entitled. Many kids his age would take advantage if they could.

Re: Cliff Jensen

You know what - I wasn't even all heated up about the Amazon wish list thing. People can do with their money as they like. The bottom line is that he put hands on a domestic partner - and that's basically where the party ends for me.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by Asenath

You know what - I wasn't even all heated up about the Amazon wish list thing. People can do with their money as they like.

Let me be clear, if Cliff had kept his amazon wishlist as an option for those who enjoyed his camshows I would have zero problem with it. At least then there would be some give and take. Once he started advertising it on twitter to gay men who might want to buy him something just because he was hot is when I got heated.

I don't mind if your gay-for-pay and I really don't mind if you are receiving gifts or money for services rendered. That's between the consenting parties, as far as I'm concerned. It's this entitled idea that he DESERVES something from gay men just because he's a hot straight man that everyone wants to fuck that lost it for me.

The bottom line is that he put hands on a domestic partner - and that's basically where the party ends for me.

ESPECIALLY if that domestic partner is an 18 year old girl (even though she's not wrapped too tightly herself.) Domestic abuse of any kind is no joke, but there IS a difference between two men who get themselves heated enough to start taking pokes at one and other and a man who strikes an 18 yr old girl (even though the FULL details are not out yet and I try not to make judgements based on tweets and press releases.)

Had the party not already been ruined for me, then that would have been my breaking point too.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Like Andy, I wouldn't have cared if his gift list had been for people that watched his shows. That isn't in the realm of bad taste.
It is when you expand to all gay men and expect that they will do so because you are hot and have a nice dick that I cross the line.
And I will be blunt, his one friend on twitter is a fool. He along with others kept enabling his behavior after he went on the run.
Reality will stink for all of them..Cliff isn't going to be back any time soon.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

I was with him on the initial "joyriding" in a golf cart. I, too felt the punishment was too harsh for the crime. I was still with him while he smoked pot during his probation (though I knew it was a BAD idea, I get it.) I was EVEN still rooting for him when he left FL, although I shook my head in disbelief. The arrogance of taunting the justice system made me really start to worry and I had inkling that it wouldn't end well, but I still didn't wish him any ill and I still kinda liked him.

What LOST me was the Amazon Wishlist so that sad guys with money could buy him things.

This is where you lost me. He isn't a decent kid, he's a kid who has learned to use what he can and play the system for his own benefit. He's a user.

So if pathetic "old people" are dumb enough to let themselves be scammed out of money because they trust people then that's cool too? Live and let live, right?
What Cliff did may not be illegal but it is SLIMY. At a certain point, it's perfectly acceptable to make a judgment about somebody's character.

And I would judge them in just the same way.

I agree the most with your viewpoint . the amazon wishlist thing is where cliff's arrogance about being hot and popular first became apparent . What a turn off. It's very tacky and presumptuous . that and a few other things from twitter showed me that his ego was getting out of control .And even though I don't like his gf,there is no excuse for domestic abuse,I don't care how hot you are. his arrest made him face his consequences but also knocked him down a few pegs.

@ the bolded, unfortunately there seems to be alot of models like that in the industry ,some still in porn and some not doing porn at the moment . that particular sentence made me think of brad star..

I still like cliff as a performer , but he needs to keep it humble and keep it real if I'm going to like him as a person . you can be physically attractive ,but when your ugly on the inside ,it shows ( goes for him and any other hot model with a similar attitude )

Re: Cliff Jensen

I got turned off the minute he went on the run. Are there flaws in the system?
Oh my YES YES and in case I didn't make it clear...YES!
But going on the run doesn't help your case at all. Making posts mocking the law while posting videos of yourself breaking other laws also is playing with fire. And the latest charges..nope.
Sad to say but I saw this coming a long time ago. One can only hope they both use this experience for the better.

Re: Cliff Jensen

If you werent there NOBODY has any business to say he abused anyone. Men AND Women both make up domestic abuse charges on their partners ALL the time. And California is especially trigger happy with domestic abuse allegations.

well cliff is a very lucky person ..don't know how he does it,but he shouldn't take it for granted anymore ..he still needs to get his shit together .just keep it humble and keep it real . as long as he learns from this in that aspect ,I support him.

Re: Cliff Jensen

well cliff is a very lucky person ..don't know how he does it,but he shouldn't take it for granted anymore

Maybe the judge was a fan (and hopefully Cliff was also able to get the judge to buy him some "duck" tape from his amazon wishlist!)

Originally Posted by aijalon18

If you werent there NOBODY has any business to say he abused anyone. Men AND Women both make up domestic abuse charges on their partners ALL the time. And California is especially trigger happy with domestic abuse allegations.

You're REALLY starting to irritate me. There were charges filed and he went to jail so there is MORE reason to believe SOMETHING happened than your insistence that it didn't just because you're a fan. You have NO statistics to back up your allegations that Californians "make up" domestic abuse allegations in alarming numbers. Did she make it up? I have NO idea (and neither do you) but my first instinct isn't to BLAME the supposed victim because Cliff is "hot."

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Maybe the judge was a fan (and hopefully Cliff was also able to get the judge to buy him some "duck" tape from his amazon wishlist!)

You're REALLY starting to irritate me. There were charges filed and he went to jail so there is MORE reason to believe SOMETHING happened than your insistence that it didn't just because you're a fan. You have NO statistics to back up your allegations that Californians "make up" domestic abuse allegations in alarming numbers. Did she make it up? I have NO idea (and neither do you) but my first instinct isn't to BLAME the supposed victim because Cliff is "hot."

THANK YOU.

geez.

I will be the first person to go on and on about how fucking hot he is

Re: Cliff Jensen

If some people wonder why we care(I know that will pop up in this thread eventually), it's because..

1) We watch porn for fun. Watching someone who is a jerk and a lawbreak is a turnoff.

2) All of us have seen this with various stars over the years and with non porn people as well. CLiff has yet to face consquences for anything he's done and has people enabling all of his behavior. That never ends well.

Bottom line..I don't expect porn stars to be saints but there is no excuse why someone like CLiff should still keep getting a free pass..none.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

You're REALLY starting to irritate me. There were charges filed and he went to jail so there is MORE reason to believe SOMETHING happened than your insistence that it didn't just because you're a fan. You have NO statistics to back up your allegations that Californians "make up" domestic abuse allegations in alarming numbers. Did she make it up? I have NO idea (and neither do you) but my first instinct isn't to BLAME the supposed victim because Cliff is "hot."

IM not a fan. I never even said he was hot. Most scenes ive watched of his was b/c of his scene partner not him. i thought he was just a dumb kid and i still do. I only gave marginal credit b/c unlike most gay-4-payers he never moaned about how straight he is and always seemed positive about his co-stars.

I didnt blame the victim. Im just being objective b/c I cant be sure what happened and neither can YOU.j

Originally Posted by Ninja108

If some people wonder why we care(I know that will pop up in this thread eventually), it's because..

1) We watch porn for fun. Watching someone who is a jerk and a lawbreak is a turnoff.

2) All of us have seen this with various stars over the years and with non porn people as well. CLiff has yet to face consquences for anything he's done and has people enabling all of his behavior. That never ends well.

Bottom line..I don't expect porn stars to be saints but there is no excuse why someone like CLiff should still keep getting a free pass..none.

No b/c many people drama queens who look for anything to get up in arms about so they can pretend to be morally superior. There r people literally getting away with murder and people act like this punk kid's fuckups r some huge miscarriage of justice.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by aijalon18

IM not a fan. I never even said he was hot. Most scenes ive watched of his was b/c of his scene partner not him. i thought he was just a dumb kid and i still do. I only gave marginal credit b/c unlike most gay-4-payers he never moaned about how straight he is and always seemed positive about his co-stars.

I didnt blame the victim. Im just being objective b/c I cant be sure what happened and neither can YOU.j

No b/c many people drama queens who look for anything to get up in arms about so they can pretend to be morally superior. There r people literally getting away with murder and people act like this punk kid's fuckups r some huge miscarriage of justice.

I have my flaws..but I take responsblity for them. CLiff has yet to do so and the phrase tehre are worse people out there doesn't fly with me.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by Ninja108

His attempts at damage control are not that impressive. He only comes off looking worse.
If nothing else, he does himself no favors with his awful grammar.

my thoughts exactly . cliff ,as a person does not impress me. At this point ,I only appreciate him as a performer . So enough with the pathetic attempts of damage control, just look pretty and keep fucking

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by alexis dziena

my thoughts exactly . cliff ,as a person does not impress me. At this point ,I only appreciate him as a performer . So enough with the pathetic attempts of damage control, just look pretty and keep fucking

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by alexis dziena

my thoughts exactly . cliff ,as a person does not impress me. At this point ,I only appreciate him as a performer . So enough with the pathetic attempts of damage control, just look pretty and keep fucking

I don't even watch scenes with him in it anymore. Between his posts bragging about being on the run and his wishlist..real turn off.

Re: Cliff Jensen

Originally Posted by Ninja108

I don't even watch scenes with him in it anymore. Between his posts bragging about being on the run and his wishlist..real turn off.

yeah ,I'm not in a hurry to watch his scenes at the moment , but I would be lying if I said I'll never watch any scene of his again . I've been figuring out that the best way to deal with these models is just to view them as the fuck toys they are,because the probability of finding an honest,beautiful personality behind their porn personas are slim to NONE . should've just viewed them that way from day one instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. the only thing cliff and these other models know how to do is look pretty ,so let them fuck and look pretty in their own superficial world , and I will view it as ONE of MANY forms of my entertainment