Crack down on race baiting

I don't frequent the site on a regular basis, which makes it even more of a problem about how often I see this. I see many times people will make broad, sweeping generalizations about people of certain races (at times very offensive) with absolutely no moderation. Reporting the posts doesn't seem to have any effect at all. I think the mods need to be educated that racism isn't just about throwing around racial slurs and lynching people. I think this would greatly improve the quality of the site.

Examples? I won't consider it "Race Baiting" for you to give an example...

There was a thread were the assertion that white people did not have the ability to appreciate and understand rap music the same way that blacks do. You could also read the George Zimmerman trial threads.

There was a thread were the assertion that white people did not have the ability to appreciate and understand rap music the same way that blacks do. You could also read the George Zimmerman trial threads.

Ahhh okay.

That's tough. It would be difficult for mods to have more control over the thread/user with such a broad form of racial stereotypes. I do see what you're saying though. They could close a thread but, it seems like 90% of the threads would be closed and that would suck for the other "non-violating" contributing users.

I'd rather see the people committing the act get warnings and potentially banned than threads being locked down. There a few people who seem like they can't post without making the topic be race related.

I'd rather see the people committing the act get warnings and potentially banned than threads being locked down. There a few people who seem like they can't post without making the topic be race related.

My God, dude. Are you really that sensitive? If someone is ignorant enough to post something racist like that are you really going to let them get under your skin? Why don't you just ignore those who offend you like the rest of the normal people?

Sometimes I think people who get offended too easily over this stuff are just exaggerating how affronted they feel in order to make other people admire how thoughtful and progressive they are.

Why don't you just ignore those who offend you like the rest of the normal people?.

Did my post offend you? Is it something you don't like? My god, man. Why don't you just ignore it like the normal person say you are? It isn't so much racism, it's more the double standard behind it "being okay" when certain people do it. So it's much easier to just stop the racism completely.

No, racism is a problem. However it will never be solved by people like you complaining about it in forums.

I was implying that you don't have any real issues or problems to deal with in your own life, so you picked a popular cause like racism to champion. This allows you to feel as if you make some valuable contribution to society by being race-sensitive and progressive when in fact you probably feel the true effects of racism very rarely if at all. Nobody around you is actually admiring you, and I would wager that you often annoy many of the people you associate with.

If reporting the post doesn't have any effect, that probably means that the mods don't deem them to have any real malicious intent. It is incredibly rare to see anything on this site that is actually meant to be racist/sexist/homophobic/etc, and when such a thing happens it is usually taken care of right away.

So much implying and projecting in this post. Don't like the premise of the thread? Leave. You probably live in a completely homogeneous neighborhood and have never actually seen real racism.

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If reporting the post doesn't have any effect, that probably means that the mods don't deem them to have any real malicious intent. It is incredibly rare to see anything on this site that is actually meant to be racist/sexist/homophobic/etc, and when such a thing happens it is usually taken care of right away.

Read the thread. I was pointing out how the mods do not think this is a problem. I can link you right now, not only a thread that contains antisemitic slurs but also champions the holocaust. So that's bullshit.

whether or not someone chooses to be offended over this or not OP raised a good point that i'm sure others will be concerned with and in the correct forum to raise the issue

songofgkex claims to have the authority to tell someone whether they should be offended or not, then makes assumptions about OPs intentions based on what he also assumes to be OPs experience. Why is that necessary? you're just trying to hijack OPs point to make him look silly.

another example of UG trying victimizing someone (being 'over sensitive') for improving the integrity and encouraging intelligent, thoughtful persepective into the forums. Sad

Notice that you have not had a single positive response to you thread yet,

Read the threadI wasn't asking you or anyone else to give me a medal for pointing out this problem. I wasn't asking for a site wide "Gorgomoth Day" in remembrance of how I single handedly defeated the UG racists. I don't care what you think about this subject. I don't want your opinions on the quality of my person-hood. I just want the problem fixed.

Well, the bad news is that you aren't going to get what you want. The other bad news is that you're probably going to get what you don't want.

That is often the worst thing about people who do what you are doing. They don't even realize it. You just take a popular opinion like "racism is bad" and talk about it all the time in order to have a talking point that nobody can effectively disagree with. This does not make you deep. It means that you are unoriginal, and that you are incapable of arguing a position that the vast majority of society has not already agreed upon.

naive haha maybe, but its better than assuming that someone has an agenda as opposed to making an actual point that the mods may want to look into. Surely that IS what this sub forum is for no? OP didn't attack anyone in particular just raised a point that ARGUABLY has some relevance on this forum. Your just being a bit patronizing, as if OPs concerns simply don't matter

Read the thread. I was pointing out how the mods do not think this is a problem. I can link you right now, not only a thread that contains antisemitic slurs but also champions the holocaust. So that's bullshit.

Look mate, the fact that you take offense to things like that that clearly aren't serious isn't really the mods' problem. Everyone that posts regularly in the Pit jokes about that sort of thing. It's not really a big deal because everyone knows that nobody is actually being serious.

But why don't you humor me and link me to this thread that you're talking about?

This does not make you deep. It means that you are unoriginal, and that you are incapable of arguing a position that the vast majority of society has not already agreed upon.peace

Okay, we have established that I am not deep and am very unoriginal in that I think racism shouldn't be allowed. I am an asshole for wanting moderators to enforce more effective moderating when it comes to racism. You get what you wanted? You aren't even a mod, I'm not asking you to do anything. Someone is lacking attention...

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Look mate, the fact that you take offense to things like that that clearly aren't serious isn't really the mods' problem. Everyone that posts regularly in the Pit jokes about that sort of thing. It's not really a big deal because everyone knows that nobody is actually being serious.

But why don't you humor me and link me to this thread that you're talking about?

Racist jokes are still racist, bro. It's not okay even if it's for the lulz. And again, people are fine to throw around the "k word" or the "c word' but if they use the "n word" then it is a problem. It's a blatant racist double standard. Basically you think anything is okay to say as long as you are joking? That's simply not true.

If you see something like that, make sure to report it. I read a post generalising and insulting the intelligence of my countrymen, and while it was pretty weak trolling it didn't seem to be good natured. He got a warning.

But boys will be boys and girls have those eyesthat'll cut you to ribbons, sometimesand all you can do is just wait by the moonand bleed if it's what she says you ought to do

Isn't this (the internet) the only real place where anyone can say any dumbass thing they'd like, be it hateful, disrespectful, sexist, homophobic, racist or just plain vile and not be prosecuted by an authority. I understand UG is a moderated site and has rules but the majority is a free and open discussion.

Isn't this (the internet) the only real place where anyone can say any dumbass thing they'd like,.

Unless it's about tube amps.... But, seriously, this is sort of my point. If that were true then it should be TOTALLY true. For example, the "K word' is used now and again and isn't apparently a bannable offense, however the "N word" is. I'd totally agree with you if it truly was free speech, but apparently some demographics are okay to refer to with a slur while others aren't. Even with that being said, I still don't think allowing racist jokes is a good thing but especially if racism is only allowed for specific demographics.

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If you have a problem with what someone is saying then talk to them about it. Complaining behind their backs isn't going to change anything.

Done this twice. Both times the response was "lol u funny n rayciss" because most of the people believe the double standard is okay.

Anyways, I agree with the OP I guess. Even though you may think it is okay to joke about this stuff, it does still hurt people. Also, it can still effect you, even if you deleted the post afterwards, someone is still able to find it, not sure about forums like this, but if it was on facebook or something, than an employer could find it or someone else.

But, people will think I am stupid, just like people thought I was stupid when I closed my forums because people wouldn't stop talking about illegal stuff.

Dude, man up. Ive been on this site since 2009 and not once have I ever seen someone be racist/hating towards someone else in a negative way. Has there been racist jokes? Sure, just like there has been jokes about women, midgets, and pretty much anything else. Its a joke, Its over sensitive people like you that give make jokes into a big deal and ruin them for everybody. If your brand of censorship isn't found on UG maybe there is a Hello Kitty webpage you can visit.

(incoming long-winded response about how you are just trying to get mods to be crack down and you aren't the savior of UG. We get it.)

Has there been racist jokes? Sure, just like there has been jokes about women, midgets, and pretty much anything else. Its a joke, Its over sensitive people like you that give make jokes into a big deal and ruin them for everybody. If your brand of censorship isn't found on UG maybe there is a Hello Kitty webpage you can visit.

If jokes are offensive then they're probably not the sort we want on this website. Let's not alienate people for the sake of a crude laugh. Casually making racist and sexist jokes isn't cool cuz it just reinforces real sexism and racism.

But boys will be boys and girls have those eyesthat'll cut you to ribbons, sometimesand all you can do is just wait by the moonand bleed if it's what she says you ought to do

If jokes are offensive then they're probably not the sort we want on this website. Let's not alienate people for the sake of a crude laugh. Casually making racist and sexist jokes isn't cool cuz it just reinforces real sexism and racism.

I disagree. Jokes don't reinforce racism as much as walking on eggs shells all day and tip-toeing around like a church mouse. That's why we can live in a world where people get so offended by a "Fright 214" newspaper headline, and assume its a racist stereotype against Asians. Oversensitive people made that into a MUCH bigger race problem then there needed to be. I'm not saying offensive jokes that target people or make people feel bad about themselves, but for **** sakes have a sense of humor.

Jokes don't reinforce racism as much as walking on eggs shells all day and tip-toeing around like a church mouse.

This right here is a big part of the problem. When not using derogatory slurs or racial stereotypes is the equivalent to walking on egg shells to you it shows you have a problem. It is apparently so second nature for you to be racist that asking you not to be is a HUGE deal for you.

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On the internet it is hard to interpret what people are meaning sometimes and what you may see as real racism is possibly just banter.

That goes for both ways then. Like, I said, it isn't just the racism that is the problem, it is also the double standard on what racism is okay to joke about and what racism isn't, which in itself is inherently racist.

I have friends of many friends whos race, colour, sexual preference, religious views etc differ from mine. We take the piss out of each other non stop. I see it as banter. As do they. If someone ever assaulted or genuinely bullied them due to whatever difference that's where the line is drawn.

The internet a weird and wonderful place. Flippant comments about race or belief can have me in stitches, but actions such as that of the westboro church utterly disgust me.

There is no definite line between these 2 extreme situations, it is subjective to each person. Which im assuming is why its difficult to moderate