I'm not saying Azrael as Batman was good. But I thought what was good was that it showcased what Batman isn't and should never be. Batman as one of the bloodthirsty Image generation doesn't work.

That's an interesting perspective on it. And one that DC might actually have intended.

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It was saying see how horrible the idea of a bloodthirsty Batman is and why Batman can't really be what you depraved 90's fans want him to be.

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And while I didn't like Azrael as Batman I remember liking how alienated all of that made Tim Drake and thought that was an interesting circumstance for him.

Tim Drake has always been awesome and yes, I often felt an important role of his was simply to react in an authentic way, a genuinely human way, to the insanity that is Gotham City.

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I feel like a lot of the "real" Marvel magic died around the Clone Saga/Onslaught stuff. To me that's when Marvel really ended. Everyone's sort of been a pod person whose past has been cherry picked ever since.

I agree. Which is why today I mostly read Marvel books about characters who didn't exist in the Silver or Bronze Ages.

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Just prior to all these stories the Marvel characters were still themselves but since then everyone has had their history or their memories altered to keep them in line with whatever Marvel's agenda has at any moment.

Is it any wonder that Deadpool is my go-to Marvel character nowadays? Unreliable memory is one of his main schitcks!