The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.

No one said in the first place that they were definitely 100% the guilty parties, it just seemed that based on where the explosion happened and the fact that one of them appeared to be ditching a bag exactly where the explosion happened that they were suspicious. The FBI thought so too, then cleared them. Yay!

Tatsuma:No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

Tatsuma:Snuffybud: Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away? You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!

He said 'people going down in the streets and beating up sikhs, latinos, etc..', that's what the incidents were referring to, people who committed physical assaults/murder so no I did not count firebombing.

You are so effen full of shiat, keep moving those goal posts. Leaving out firebombing of restaurants and stores we've got these incidents in just 2 months after 9/11

• Sept. 12, 2001 - South Huntington, New YorkAdam Lang, 76, was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment and a hate crime after he allegedly tried to run down a Pakistani woman with his car.

• Sept. 15, 2001 - Mesa, ArizonaBalbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Sikh and native of India, was fatally shot outside his gas station by Frank Silva Roque, who mistakenly believed Sodhi was Muslim. Roque then allegedly fired shots at a man of Lebanese descent working at another gas station, and at an Afghan family's residence.

• Sept. 15, 2001 - Dallas, TexasWaqar Hasan, a 46-year-old Pakistani immigrant, was shot to death in his convenience store. Mark Stroman, who allegedly said he was angry with people of Middle Eastern descent after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was charged with Hasan's murder. Stroman was also charged with the Oct. 4 murder of Vasudev Patel, a 49-year-old native of India, at a gas station convenience store in Mesquite, Texas.

• Sept. 29, 2001 - Reedley, CaliforniaAbdo Ali Ahmed, a 51-year-old Yemeni man, was shot to death outside his convenience store. Two days earlier a note reading, "We're going to kill all (expletive) Arabs," was left on his car windshield.

Tatsuma:Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

HAH! So I think you've slipped a little below CNN in the credibility department. The FBI NEVER named these two as 'suspects'. The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

You've been pushing these two hard, despite not fitting the description that was released by the FBI. The FBI didn't release this photo either, it came from a Reddit thread and was originally sourced from a Gawker Media (maybe Deadspin or Gizmodo) writer who was outside the site of bomb #1. The FBI hasn't released the images/video that they say capture the suspects they are interested in and no independent sources has it because it came from the dept. store camera across from bomb site #2.

YOU FOUND an image that barely fit your narrative and the description (white hat, black bag)and jumped on the bandwagon, cause "HEY! BROWN, MUST BE THEM!"

Tatsuma:I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

James!:Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat. They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.

It was mostly 4chan, not reddit. Although the 4chan stuff showed up on Reddit.

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And for fark's sake, Tatsuma, stop defending the NY Post. We all know it's a shiat filled rag. There is simply no excuse for the Post to run that on the front page, except to play off of people's irrational fears so they can sell more papers.

Tatsuma:what_now: Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.

Can you drop implications of racism based on nothing? Oh and glee about this? I like you but you're skating a thin line here.

Ever since this happened, people have been all "Bloop blippity blip it was clearly done by someone who's ideology I don't like so take that libs/cons" and its disgusting. And now 4chan thinks it's the FBI, CNN thinks it's reputable, and you're all "I'm just asking question".

Stop it. Whoever did this, for whatever twisted farking reason, will get caught. They will get caught, they will whimper and cry because unlike Al Quieda they do not WANT to get caught, and I will laugh at their tears and we can all talk about how they did this because of Mohammad/Glen Beck/Obama/Aliens/lizard people.

Tatsuma:Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FBI ASKED US TO DO. CALM THE F*CK DOWN. You can't expect everyone who has a good heart and wants to help with the crowdsourcing effort to get it right on the first try. People are combing through pictures and simply offering up ideas. They are going to find five or ten people who look suspicious because they are carrying heavy bags and wandering around in the photos. Most of them will be innocent. But you know what? One of these f*ckers is going to turn out to be the perp. The son of a biatch was there that day and someone definitely took a picture of him. So calm the f*ck down and stop discouraging people from trying to help. Absolutely no one has said for sure that these two guys are guilty; only that the FBI wants to talk to them.

If the NY Post put up a picture of me and called me the "bag man" for the bombings? After discussing my complete innocence with the FBI I'd be dancing in the streets over my forthcoming payday, because I would ride those b@stards right into the ground.

The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

What a liar. I checked out Reddit and they have multiple suspects including white guys. Yes carrying bags DO make your more like the likely suspect. And being close to where the bomb went off does too. And in the Reddit threads they repeatedly talk about just because they are people that could possibly have done it, it doesn't mean they are guilty. In fact, Reddit has threads about stopping other people from blaming these people for the crime because there is no proof.

This guy is an ass feeding into the frenzy of attacking what's being done on Reddit without worrying about the facts.

Giltric:Does anybody have a link to the FBI suggesting these people are suspects?

The FBI never issued official pictures. The NY Post's article claims that it comes from an "unknown source" who gave them an email being sent between unknown "law enforcement officers" asking if anyone can identify the two guys.

I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.

(Except for the Irish.)

Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away? You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!

Tatsuma:By the time they went to print yesterday, the FBI had been circulating their picture saying they were person of interest, and we'd seen them plastered all over the news networks.

I think it's inappropriate for the Post to put these two on the cover with a large print "BAG MEN" headline given their status as only "persons of interest" who authorities wanted to talk to. The Post made an implied leap from person of interest to suspect. I find that journalistically unethical.

JerseyTim:Fellas, please. I'm SURE we can all agree that the New York Post had only the most noble of intentions and was only putting their picture on the cover as a community service to help aid the investigation. This is one of the great roles the press plays in getting information out there that helps everyone.

There is no excuse for running with the 12 dead thing, As far as those two being on the first page? By the time they went to print yesterday, the FBI had been circulating their picture saying they were person of interest, and we'd seen them plastered all over the news networks. The denials that they are not in fact suspects only came this morning on CBS.

You can speculate all you want that these guys being brown made them extra happy, but I'm fairly sure that if the FBI had been circulating a picture of two white guys saying they were persons of interest, that they would have printed that picture instead.

PC LOAD LETTER:It's the NY Post. They are sooooo wanting this to be another 9/11. They didn't report on the white dude that's all over Reddit. Just these two. Because it fits their narrative.

I wasn't addressing the New York Post, I was addressing why these guys were pointed out in the first place. As far as the New York Post printing them on the first page, they were the only two that the FBI circulated the picture of yesterday night on news channels as well, so it's not exactly that they'd be on the first page this morning, even though the FBI apparently moved their status from 'suspicious person of interest' to 'cleared'.

PC LOAD LETTER:I hope it's a white dude. Sikhs, Latinos and other not-quite-blacks will be beat up in the street like after 9/11. Hell, even Israelis were shouted at here in NYC.

This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11. Stop acting like white people are just itching for a reason to conduct public lynchings, that's pretty racist in itself.

How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.

Tatsuma:Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.

Tatsuma:Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.

Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.

I would have apologized if only for one thing: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.

Clearly I wasn't jumping at conclusions, they just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and appeared to be ditching bags (I suppose in the end they didn't but there were no pictures of them leaving the scene with those bags). The FBI itself wanted to have a word with them about this.

Had this not been the case, I would indeed have apologized for my role in furthering the distribution of that picture, but once the FBI distributed the picture, that makes it completely irrelevant for me to do so. Especially when I posted their picture in the first place and said only that crowd-sourced forensic made a compelling case about those two, and spent most of the other thread discussing crowd-sourced forensic, not screaming 'THEYRE GUILTY!'

Tatsuma:Mr Guy: I must admit, I was actually hoping for a bit of a retraction from you today. I am well aware you were very careful to take the CNN route of "only reporting what other people found as 'interesting'", but it's disappointing watching you do damage control about why you suspected them instead of just saying that you were mislead by inconclusive evidence, and you apologize for your part in spreading their image over, and over, and over again with accusatory captioning.

... but from the beginning I said I didn't know for sure whether these guys were actually behind it, I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it. I was never adamant that 'It must be them!'. I'm not trying to do damage control at all, the only think I did in those first two posts was to point out that people were not suspecting them because of racism but because of the 'evidence' that was brought up, evidence that was good enough for the FBI to make a public call for people to come forward and identify them.

I am not sure what I should be apologizing for. If you say that some of the earlier evidence presented to say that they were possible suspects has since been recanted, well I have not seen that, if you can send me a link, I'll be glad to read it. Either way, the FBI cleared them, and that in itself is enough for me, all the stuff we saw earlier was only circumstantial evidence, and that in itself is a good enough proof that people should never be convicted of major crimes based on circumstantial evidence alone in a court of law.

Here's where he feigns ignorance of participating in the accusatory drum beat.

He was just asking questions, just talking about what other people were talking about.

Tatsuma:Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

Sept. 15, 2001Balbir Singh Sodhi - fatally shot

Sept. 15, 2001Waqar Hasan - shot to death

Oct. 4murder of Vasudev Patel

Sept. 29, 2001Abdo Ali Ahmed - shot to death

That's 4 people murdered in that 2 month period, not just shot, murdered.

I've just literally posted a screencap on television of the FBI asking for info about them. Me calling them a suspect is an error because the MSM said they were suspects when the FBI described them as Persons of Interest only

I've just literally posted a screencap on television of the FBI asking for info about them. Me calling them a suspect is an error because the MSM said they were suspects when the FBI described them as Persons of Interest only

HotWingConspiracy:Tatsuma: Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

You'll repeat the lie the next time you feel it serves you though.

He made the claim in the thread on Monday already. A lot of people pointed out to him that he was wrong. He's making the claim again. And he'll keep doing so in future threads, because the posters will be different and would've forgotten about it.

Danger Mouse:Except other photo from other people show them without the bags moments before the blast. I belive it was very irresponsible for the Post to put this on thier front page, but the hate for TATS is interfering withmany farkers common sense.

Pretty much.

I'm in the middle of a flame war and I don't even what it's about right now. It's kind of weird.

RexTalionis:Tatsuma: No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

Here's a list of the complete sequence of photos from the photographer that made them. Nothing to back up Tatsuma's assertion that one of them left a bag.

Except other photo from other people show them without the bags moments before the blast. I belive it was very irresponsible for the Post to put this on thier front page, but the hate for TATS is interfering withmany farkers common sense.

I wonder if Tatsuma would be so quick to defend the NY Post if the FBI said that the suspects appear to be Chassidic Jews and 4chan decided to start posting pictures of random Chassidic guys in the crowd, which the NY Post starts posting online with the headline "BAG MEN."

I am going to copypasta this from a few years ago: I think we found our suspect

So, several weeks ago, I'm on the T coming back from a little Christmas shopping. It's the middle of a bright, unseasonably warm, sunny day. A man gets on holding the Boston Herald. He's a beefy looking white man, mid fifties probably, florid in complexion, silly mustache. He gives me a once over; I read my book.

Then, two Muslim ladies get on. They are in jeans, sweaters and hijabs*. They are probably mid to late twenties. One is heavily pregnant, the other has a baby carriage with a small child inside. They get on, take some seats and start conversing softly- in English.

The Herald reader looks up in alarm and stares at them with for a while, clutching his newspaper to his chest like a binky. They get off at MIT where, either they or their husbands- or both- are probably grad students or post docs.

The Herald reader scoots over to me, and says "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over". I'm not sure what scared him more, two petite women, or the thought that the baby in the carriage would laugh at him for reading the Boston Herald.

*a Hijab is a head scarf. It's sort of what your grandmother wore to keep her hair did. It is not a bomb vest.

The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.

No one said in the first place that they were definitely 100% the guilty parties, it just seemed that based on where the explosion happened and the fact that one of them appeared to be ditching a bag exactly where the explosion happened that they were ...

what_now:Ever since this happened, people have been all "Bloop blippity blip it was clearly done by someone who's ideology I don't like so take that libs/cons" and its disgusting. And now 4chan thinks it's the FBI, CNN thinks it's reputable, and you're all "I'm just asking question".

What? I'm not 'just asking questions', In fact if you go back to yesterday's thread, the one reason I was interested in those two was not whether or not they were the guys who did it, I was more interested in the fact that it seemed at the time that crowd-sourcing had possibly identified strong suspects hours before the FBI named them (and the FBI did say they were suspects). Now that they have been cleared, well thank G-d, let's move on and catch the real guys who did it.

I agree 100%. My contention with this stupid blog post (urgh) was that he was blaming the fact those two were identified due to racism rather than the fact that the FBI themselves came out and said they were suspect and that the New York Post was somehow the only guys publishing a picture of them when they are not, and their pictures had been all over the news. This shiat article sounded more like a hit piece against the Post (and there are plenty of reasons for that) yet manipulated the facts to make the narrative fit his hatred of it rather than attacking it for good reasons (like running with the 12 dead thing)

JerseyTim:I think it's inappropriate for the Post to put these two on the cover with a large print "BAG MEN" headline given their status as only "persons of interest" who authorities wanted to talk to. The Post made an implied leap from person of interest to suspect. I find that journalistically unethical.

See, THAT is another valid attack against the Post, and something worth attacking not just the Post but the whole MSM in America, as they all ran with them as suspects rather than persons of interests, and seem to think both of these things are interchangeable (to be fair, they sometimes are, but not 100% as we can see here)

Statements from the investigators, and the fact that they aren't carrying bags that are similar to the ones recovered from the bombing.

Tatsuma:The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

So were dozens of other people, all of which you can see in the photo that singled them out.

Tatsuma:And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

The Police and FBI have not released any official pictures of the suspects they are looking for.

Tatsuma:But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Where did the FBI claim these two were suspects or persons of interest? And do you think people will really move on considering after the NY Post called these guys out as practically the suspects themselves? Did you forget what happened to Richard Jewell?

Tatsuma:Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.

Where did the authorities say they considered them suspects, considering that the FBI and Police have not released any pictures of suspects?

It's the NY Post. They are sooooo wanting this to be another 9/11. They didn't report on the white dude that's all over Reddit. Just these two. Because it fits their narrative. I hope it's a white dude. Sikhs, Latinos and other not-quite-blacks will be beat up in the street like after 9/11. Hell, even Israelis were shouted at here in NYC.

Tatsuma:This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11. Stop acting like white people are just itching for a reason to conduct public lynchings, that's pretty racist in itself.

Texas inmate Mark Anthony Stroman was executed Wednesday night for killing a man from India during series of revenge shootings after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

Stroman was put to death at 9:53 p.m. ET, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice said.The U.S. Supreme Court denied a stay of execution for Stroman last month, and his supporters -- including a survivor of one of the shootings attributed to him -- urged Gov. Rick Perry and the state Board of Pardons and Parole to grant clemency. The state Criminal Appeals Court denied his last appeal on Wednesday.

Stroman, 41, made national headlines after he fatally shot Vasudev Patel during a shooting rampage after the 9/11 attacks. An admitted white supremacist, Stroman targeted those he believed were Middle Eastern, in revenge for the attacks.

A Pakistani man, Waqar Hasan, was also murdered, and a Bangladeshi man, Rais Bhuiyan, was seriously wounded.

Hate crimes that don't actually target your hated group doesn't let you off the hook.

Tatsuma:ctrl-f "case closed" on the second page, they should be right above my post, moderator

Is it bad that when you posted that the other day, I was halfway tempted to make a macro about posting things sarcastically that will come back to bite you in the ass because people unfairly think you actually are that bad?

Mr Guy:If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.

Cheers.

And yeah the accusations or racism are just grating, because a lot of them seem to be based on 'Well this guy is an Orthodox Jew and he chose to live in Israel/Judea & Samaria, therefore he HAS to be a racist'. Which, in itself, is really racist.

shower_in_my_socks:Why would a guy who's about to drop off a bomb in a backpack have other supplies stored in the side pocket? Seems like something you would only do if you were planning on wearing the backpack all day, and not just carrying it to a bomb site and ditching it. It's almost as if, oh I don't know, there was no bomb in that guy's backpack at all, and he was just out enjoying the day with everybody else and had extra stuff with him in case he needed it.

At least one thing in Israel that terrorists who commit suicide bombings are told is to do their best to blend in, whether it is to try and appear Israeli, appear as a tourist, etc... There have been very famous cases of, for example, a terrorist dressing himself as an ultra-Orthodox Jew and blowing himself up in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, dressing up as American/British tourists, another famous case is a woman who, pre-bombing, always wore a burqa, but when she went on her suicide mission, she dressed in very Western, very tight American clothes with a back pack and blew herself up in the middle of a restaurant.

This is not just in Israel, though, that's what happens in Afghanistan and Iraq as well, where they try to blend in with the locals/security forces in order to kill as mnay people as possible.

So when the pictures of the actual terrorists who committed this atrocious act come out, I wouldn't be surprised if they are dressed as runners, hauling around running gear. In fact, I'd be surprised if they are not dressed like that.

This is why the people going 'SEE FALSE FLAG!!' are retarded, why on earth would a couple of SEALS about to pull off a false flag attack wear friggin SEAL clothes/insignia and visible ear pieces?

Mr Guy:No one says we don't understand that you weren't intending to push misleading information. Ok, maybe SOME people are saying that. I'm personally saying you overbit on cutting edge news, and were completely incorrect for the follow statements, even though I understand why you were mistaken in the way you were, given that the media was a hotmess:

Yes, those statements were apparently incorrect and have since then been corrected in the various time-lines and such, I was simply repeating what at the time was being said. I stated multiple times that those were based on CNN/crowd-sourced forensics and we should wait until the FBI spoke on the subject to take them as concrete, though, so even then I realized that this might very well be wrong.

Mr Guy:That's why people are convinced you fixated on their skin color, because their clothing, demeanor, and location don't actually match what we're looking for, but you kept promoting them as a likely successful identification of the suspects.

Well this is completely false and this is what I find the most insulting. I am not the one who came up with those pictures, and the FBI itself wanted to interrogate them AND I also mocked people who automatically assumed they were guilty. Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling cased made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.

I have been posting on this website for almost 10 years with the same username (can't remember the username I was using before that, very few posts and forgot the password, which lead to this one).

To all those who accused me of racism, I've asked to bring me a single example of racist things I've said and I would personally asked to be permabanned if that was the case. I brought this up hundreds of time, and no one ever produced a single quote of me saying something racist.

It's these bullshiat accusations (not just against me, mind you, but everyone who was saying that the crowd-sourced forensic toward those two seemed compelling, which includes the friggin MSM) that piss me off.

Those are cops. Lots and lots of cops are ex-military, and some worked down range as security contractors. The reason they have earpieces in is because they're cops working security. No telling which agency, but that's how cops dress when they're working plain clothes security (which is different from undercover).

After I decided to leave this thread, I thought 'You know what? Maybe these people are right, in the sense that I sounded too convinced that these guys might be guilty, when I didn't think so, just that reddit made a compelling case.' I went back to reread the thread. If I was wrong, I could after all apologize.

Boobies on the topic (my 10thish in the thread), in reply to a discussion about crowdsourced forensic and discussions about the white guy

Tatsuma:So far thought I'd say the best crowsourced forensic I saw came from Reddit, where they established that this guy who is wearing a black shirt and white hat had a bag exactly where the explosion happened a few minutes before this pic was taken, then he left the bag and walked off with the guy next to him, who was later photographed next to the second explosion site without a backpack as well.

I'd say that it'd be pretty incredible if the case was cracked before we even received any word from the FBI just based on pictures from the scene on the internet

Apparently the metadata/timeline was wrong and the pic was a couple of hours before, according to some posters on this thread. Here are my other posts on the topic:

Tatsuma: They played with the colors in many of the pictures, and from different angles, and he clearly does not have a backpack anymore. Backpack which looks like the picture that was released by the FBI

Again, definitely not throwing my money on this one, just saying that they made a good case and I'll be really impressed if they cracked this before the FBI announced anything

Tatsuma: I agree, I clearly know that you can rely on bloggers and even twitter to give more accurate news than the mainstream media.

However, I saw these pictures almost 12 hours ago. To have people already establishing who was where and when based purely on pictures from the incident and being able to establish a timeline + bags after only a few hours is still pretty impressive if they end up being right.

Tatsuma: That's possible. As I said, way too early and we should wait for the FBI, but if so, they cracked the case about 12 hours ago. Really impressive.

Tatsuma: I believe that the answer to this is we are not sure that the straps actually had white stripes on them, or they were caused by the damages on the bag due to the explosion

As I said, I'm not totally convinced but they put forth a really decent case. Better than the lone guy anyway, as he only had one bag.

Tatsuma: Yeah they have a whole timeline as well, seems pretty credible. An arrest has been made, so we'll see if crowdsourcing this will actually be right!

This is hours later, after CNN discussed their pictures:

Tatsuma: CNN confirmed that the two guys I posted are considered 'persons of interests' by the FBI and apparently in that very picture (where the one backpack disappears, they are standing directly over ground zero.

This is after I heard them referred to as 'suspects', which turned out to be wrong and an idiot on tv confusing person of interest with suspect, where once again my main focus of discussion is about crowd-sourcing, not the guys themselves:

Tatsuma: Looks like the suspects were identified through crowd-sourcing merely hours after the event.

I seriously wonder if they were possibly identified by the Internet before they even were by the FBI. The FBI is powerful, but you had tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands working with every sources they could get their hands on online.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat the FBI to the punch, or ended up sending them in the right direction

If I have to apologize for one thing, its for calling them suspects, and even that comes after the MSM used that word about them:

Tatsuma: Well the FBI described those two men, saying that they are in fact the prime suspects so whether these pictures were taken a couple of hours before the bomb exploded, they are seen clearly discarding a backpack exactly on ground zero, and that's what it blew up.

There I was making fun of people who assumed they were automatically guilty:

Tatsuma: First guy had loose wires coming out of his closes, and the second guy is wearing that shirt tucked in his pants.

CASE CLOSED

So yeah, turns out that I am vindicated by my posts in the other threads, nothing I said that was out of line or even came close to assuming that these guys were guilty. I certainly was not waving a pitchfork and torch around about them either.

Tatsuma:How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.

Uh huh. The Post had access to ALL of those photos, and the police description from the surveillance video is very different from these two guys, and yet they picked this one for the cover. I'm sure the Post has absolutely no interest in driving an anti-Muslim message. Whenhavetheyeverdonethat?

Tatsuma:How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.

Has the creepy looking white guy in the blue sweatjacket had his face plastered all over the papers/media or ANYWHERE except in forums pointing back to Reddit? No

Tatsuma:Yanks_RSJ: Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping. They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.

He asked where it was discussed in the MSM, the fact that they screwed the pooch about an arrest yesterday is irrelevant. CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

I think that one of the most disappointing thing in all of this is that all the 4chan/reddit/internet crowd-sourced forensic apparently went to waste on multiple suspects that had nothing to do with it, so apparently instead of potentially being another tool that could help the FBI/government to track down terrorists in events like that, it's just gigs and gigs of wasted space and thousands of hours of wasted time. To me that's what was the most interesting about those, and in the end it just deflated into nothingness.

Now he's shirking his entire participation and expressing disappointment with the people that started what he continued. Darn them.

Tatsuma:Snuffybud: You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

So later in the blurb they pointed to another murder that they didn't reproduce in the blurb, so that's four shot, three assaulted.

How does that make me a liar? This is getting ridiculous.

Zulu_as_Kono: Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it? When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?

Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

The FBI indicated they wanted to know who they were and that they were persons of interest, but they were eventually cleared of everything, and that's great. The only point I am making is that these guys were not seen as persons of interests because they were browner than your average Bostonian, but because of the circumstances around the pictures (where they were, the bags, etc....) There is another white guy receiving the same treatment due to the same thing.

Except it's not just 4 shot, 3 assaulted. Those are the incidents that only count because you keep on moving those goal posts. An attempt to run someone down with a car doesn't count as an assault because the car missed? Bombings don't count because people weren't blown up? Shootings don't count if the shots went wide? Holding a gun to someone while issuing threats isn't violent because the perp didn't pull the trigger? You've got an awful warped version of what is violent and what is not.

Hope you don't mind if I copy/pasta, Rex.----------------------------------------------------------------

Tatsuma:They are most assuredly innocent. I'm sorry, how does he know that?

Statements from the investigators, and the fact that they aren't carrying bags that are similar to the ones recovered from the bombing.

Tatsuma:The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

So were dozens of other people, all of which you can see in the photo that singled them out.

Tatsuma:And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

The Police and FBI have not released any official pictures of the suspects they are looking for.

Tatsuma:But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Where did the FBI claim these two were suspects or persons of interest? And do you think people will really move on considering after the NY Post called these guys out as practically the suspects themselves? Did you forget what happened to Richard Jewell?

Tatsuma:Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.

Where did the authorities say they considered them suspects, considering that the FBI and Police have not released any pictures of suspects?

Yanks_RSJ:Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping. They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.

He asked where it was discussed in the MSM, the fact that they screwed the pooch about an arrest yesterday is irrelevant. CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

I think that one of the most disappointing thing in all of this is that all the 4chan/reddit/internet crowd-sourced forensic apparently went to waste on multiple suspects that had nothing to do with it, so apparently instead of potentially being another tool that could help the FBI/government to track down terrorists in events like that, it's just gigs and gigs of wasted space and thousands of hours of wasted time. To me that's what was the most interesting about those, and in the end it just deflated into nothingness.

Well, you could start by saying you may have jumped to conclusions when you kept posting images a guy standing around in a crowd having clearly left his backpack at the scene of the detonation when he was A) not wearing what the FBI said the suspect was wearing B) not moving quickly through the crowd to place the first bag and move to the second location, as the FBI describe the video, and C) still holding the backpack in front of him in the last shots of him, disputably.

You asked why you got stuck in the center of the controversy, but you know exactly why. It's for not letting go of these guys as likely based on crowd sourcing when it should have started to become obvious they weren't wearing the right thing, or doing the behaviors we're looking for, since literally the only solid thing the FBI has told us about the Lord and Taylor is the bomber came to the first detonation site, planted it, and left immediately. These guys aren't doing that, aren't wearing the right color clothes, and were only ID'd by the media as suspect because people like the Reddit crowd and you kept insisting it was conclusive that they were in the right place (which they weren't) and with the right kind of bag (which they didn't seem to have) that they left it (which they didn't seem to), and that the FBI was looking for them (which they aren't).

We're mocking you for the same reason we mocked CNN. You reported other people's incorrect claims loudly and repeatedly, and feel like it's sufficient to cover your conscious that you were merely repeating the words of others.

Yanks_RSJ:Tatsuma: Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping. They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.

Now you'll get a reply stating that NO REALLY they really did arrest a guy!

Snuffybud:You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

So later in the blurb they pointed to another murder that they didn't reproduce in the blurb, so that's four shot, three assaulted.

How does that make me a liar? This is getting ridiculous.

Zulu_as_Kono:Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it? When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?

Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

The FBI indicated they wanted to know who they were and that they were persons of interest, but they were eventually cleared of everything, and that's great. The only point I am making is that these guys were not seen as persons of interests because they were browner than your average Bostonian, but because of the circumstances around the pictures (where they were, the bags, etc....) There is another white guy receiving the same treatment due to the same thing.

Mr Guy:I must admit, I was actually hoping for a bit of a retraction from you today. I am well aware you were very careful to take the CNN route of "only reporting what other people found as 'interesting'", but it's disappointing watching you do damage control about why you suspected them instead of just saying that you were mislead by inconclusive evidence, and you apologize for your part in spreading their image over, and over, and over again with accusatory captioning.

... but from the beginning I said I didn't know for sure whether these guys were actually behind it, I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it. I was never adamant that 'It must be them!'. I'm not trying to do damage control at all, the only think I did in those first two posts was to point out that people were not suspecting them because of racism but because of the 'evidence' that was brought up, evidence that was good enough for the FBI to make a public call for people to come forward and identify them.

I am not sure what I should be apologizing for. If you say that some of the earlier evidence presented to say that they were possible suspects has since been recanted, well I have not seen that, if you can send me a link, I'll be glad to read it. Either way, the FBI cleared them, and that in itself is enough for me, all the stuff we saw earlier was only circumstantial evidence, and that in itself is a good enough proof that people should never be convicted of major crimes based on circumstantial evidence alone in a court of law.

Has anyone suggested that these people were viewed as being suspicious because they are men? I know men probably commit 90% of the violent crime, but quit with the profiling. It's 2013, we should all be equally suspicious.

I should be in the kitchen:James!: Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat. They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.

They were guilty of Running While Brown.

Like that Saudi student who was tackled for "suspiciously" running away from a farking explosion.

We have enough problems with racial profiling without jackholes like the NY Post fanning the flames with speculation and outright false information. Posting such things and discussing "what if...?" on an internet forum or blog is one thing, but to do so on the front page of a paper (or a TV news program) is dangerous and irresponsible. And of course you NEVER hear an apology or correction after the fact. Not like most Americans would notice or remember anyway, if the truth doesn't fit into their worldview narrative.

Their demo is right wing racists and bigots, and they hit all the right buttons. Just look at the thread. One of them gets so excited he cannot wait to run interference for them.

Tatsuma:Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s.

No, not racism, profiling.

Sorry, but a white guy in his 50's is a prime demographic for this bombing too. Like it or not, in the pool for the most likely candidates its a too-close-to-call split between the perps either have a prayer rug or a Gadsden flag.

/and before those morons that wave around Gadsden flags start howling about being unfairly persecuted, if you didn't want people to suspect you of shiat like this, maybe you shouldn't threaten to do it so much, so loudly, or so often then.

Phoenix_M:Agree with everything you said except "one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white." They never said they're looking for White guys & the FBI clearly has video have the suspect(s) dropping off the bag(s).

You're right, my bad. Went googling to get the exact description and CNN had the ethnicity listed, but FBI hasn't stated it, sooo it looks like THEY really want it to be white guys.

/Maybe I really want it to be white guys.//I just want the chicken farkers found already.

James!:Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat. They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.

They were guilty of Running While Brown.

Like that Saudi student who was tackled for "suspiciously" running away from a farking explosion.

We have enough problems with racial profiling without jackholes like the NY Post fanning the flames with speculation and outright false information. Posting such things and discussing "what if...?" on an internet forum or blog is one thing, but to do so on the front page of a paper (or a TV news program) is dangerous and irresponsible. And of course you NEVER hear an apology or correction after the fact. Not like most Americans would notice or remember anyway, if the truth doesn't fit into their worldview narrative.

Snuffybud:That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

Snuffybud:Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away? You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!

He said 'people going down in the streets and beating up sikhs, latinos, etc..', that's what the incidents were referring to, people who committed physical assaults/murder so no I did not count firebombing.

Charles Stross has the right idea. Ignore the news for now. Seriously, their only purpose in pulling such shiat is to get you to look at their ads.

Wait until calmer, more rational heads have actually investigated the crime, issued a report, and dealt with whoever's involved. This ghoulish race to see who can spread the most information the fastest has to stop.

Tatsuma:Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

Speaker2Animals:Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.

(Except for the Irish.)

I wish there was an emoticon for rolling my eyes and making a jerk off motion. You said TWO and you were wrong.

Bottom line blasting that photo on the front page was yellow journalism of the lowest kind. It's racebaiting based on hearsay and internet mob justice.

I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.