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Re: Darren Criss

Judging from what he's said about his upbringing, I think that if he was gay he wouldn't be ashamed of it or try to hide it. The mannerisms and stuff are inevitable if you hang out with enough gay people, I think.

That said, he seems to have a really good understanding of sexuality, because he's said things like 'I identify as straight' before, so he's a pretty open guy, but I don't think he's lying when he says he's straight.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by momoda6

Judging from what he's said about his upbringing, I think that if he was gay he wouldn't be ashamed of it or try to hide it. The mannerisms and stuff are inevitable if you hang out with enough gay people, I think.

That said, he seems to have a really good understanding of sexuality, because he's said things like 'I identify as straight' before, so he's a pretty open guy, but I don't think he's lying when he says he's straight.

Yeah, I definitely cosign what you said...if he were gay, I don't picture him being the type to hide his sexuality.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by belamo

Again, this is not about judging Darren's talents and looks so much as it's about judging his fangurls hype on him

The "fangurl hype" probably has to do with the fact that 1) he was "famous" for AVPM and AVPS long before he was on Glee and people loved him (and the other StarKids), so he already had a huge fanbase and people are excited to see him getting more recognition, 2) the fans feel like they know him better than other celebrities, just because of the past with the StarKid Potter-stuff, which has always been laidback and informal with lots of fan contact, 3) he can sing and act, 4) he's cute and 5) he's a new character on freakin' Glee (which is already hyped up like crazy), with actual talent and charisma. The fact that he's gaining lots of attention and hype is almost natural – and it will surely die down to regular "celeb hype".

As for him being gay, most things point to no. He dated a girl in college (not sure about now), he seems to have no problems talking about how playing a gay character is important to him because he thinks it's important to see confident, gay teens on TV, but he also says he's straight. Like momoda6 says, there seems to be no reason not to believe him. His mannerisms are more… theatre kid-mannerisms than anything else.

Re: Darren Criss

Effeminate mannerisms can be picked up from women too, though, not just from other gay, effeminate men. And it's not like all gay guys have effeminate mannerisms, just like not all people with effeminate mannerisms are gay men.

Same goes for people who spend lots of time doing theater and drama – they often have exaggerated mannerisms. Dancers, too – both female and male.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by introv3rt

Effeminate mannerisms can be picked up from women too, though, not just from other gay, effeminate men. And it's not like all gay guys have effeminate mannerisms, just like not all people with effeminate mannerisms are gay men.

Same goes for people who spend lots of time doing theater and drama – they often have exaggerated mannerisms. Dancers, too – both female and male.

Affeminate straight guys are more common than we think, and Darren seems like a nice kid and all... but everytime I see him answer the "gay" question --->

Re: Darren Criss

I think believe that the problem with the so-called "gay mannerisms" is not actually so much about gestual mannerisms of some celebrities or people, but indeed about some mainstream "mental mannerisms".

Re: Darren Criss

Affeminate straight guys are more common than we think, and Darren seems like a nice kid and all... but everytime I see him answer the "gay" question --->

Am I a bad person?

Haha, not a bad person, no. I guess I just don't see why it's not believable, but maybe it's because I was a fan a while before he was on Glee. I also don't really think it seems like he would've had a problem with coming out if he actually was gay, especially back in college or right after college when he first was only really Internet-famous for a while.

Re: Darren Criss

Have you ever heard the saying, Sometimes life imitates art, so you just never know. Hugh Jackman played in a sci-fi mutant movie so that was a bad analogy to prove someone is straight because your basically saying see Hugh Jackman isn't a mutant like his character and Darren criss isn't gay. That is so offensive also. Nobody is saying since his character is gay than oh he must be gay, all people are saying is that Darren has extreme gay mannerisms and tendencies which if you view some of his interviews like him on ellen are quite visible and so we are debating if rather or not his real life gay mannerisms equals gay behavior. This has nothing to do with his character at all.

But i must warn you guys that most likely Darren Criss is gay because he inhaled while kissing. bye

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

Have you ever heard the saying, Sometimes life imitates art, so you just never know. Hugh Jackman played in a sci-fi mutant movie so that was a bad analogy to prove someone is straight because your basically saying see Hugh Jackman isn't a mutant like his character and Darren criss isn't gay. That is so offensive also. Nobody is saying since his character is gay than oh he must be gay, all people are saying is that Darren has extreme gay mannerisms and tendencies which if you view some of his interviews like him on ellen are quite visible and so we are debating if rather or not his real life gay mannerisms equals gay behavior. This has nothing to do with his character at all.

But i must warn you guys that most likely Darren Criss is gay because he inhaled while kissing. bye

You mean he was inhaling something so as to be able to kiss a guy, or that he was holding his breath, as when you retain a burp or a gust of barf? In any case, that is in contradiction with proving him queer.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by belamo

You mean he was inhaling something so as to be able to kiss a guy, or that he was holding his breath, as when you retain a burp or a gust of barf? In any case, that is in contradiction with proving him queer.

boo you whore, haven't you ever heard of the expression sucking face. Kurt got has faced sucked. First time i kissed i inhaled as hard as possible so i could suck out the air of the other guy i was kissing while using my tongue as a tornado.

What do you do exhale so your bad breathe can go into the other guys mouth?

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by belamo

He was gay too then...

Almost broke poor Gyllenhaal's nose

Well there has been constant rumors about jake with pictures included, limp wrist and all not to mention he has dated serial fag-hag Tyler Swift so yes jake is gay, he is a homosexual, anymore guys you want me to judge or do you have the is he gay technique down to a science now?

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

boo you whore, haven't you ever heard of the expression sucking face. Kurt got has faced sucked. First time i kissed i inhaled as hard as possible so i could suck out the air of the other guy i was kissing while using my tongue as a tornado.

What do you do exhale so your bad breathe can go into the other guys mouth?

You mean you try to freshen up your bad breathe by using the mouths of the guys you kiss?
The first time I really wanted to kiss the guy I was with (me 19, he -allegedly- 18 ) I couldn't take my face off his, until he asked me to let him breath.
But I usually just enjoy the other guys whore's young, juicy, moisty, willing lips.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

Well there has been constant rumors about jake with pictures included not to mention he has dated serial fag-hag Tyler Swift so yes jake is gay, he is a homosexual, anymore guys you want me to judge or do you have the is he gay technique down to a science now?

I meant, obviously, and from what I wrote, Mr. Ledger, but in this whole silly conversation I don't expect you to start realizing anything going out of your own mind.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

Have you ever heard the saying, Sometimes life imitates art, so you just never know. Hugh Jackman played in a sci-fi mutant movie so that was a bad analogy to prove someone is straight because your basically saying see Hugh Jackman isn't a mutant like his character and Darren criss isn't gay. That is so offensive also. Nobody is saying since his character is gay than oh he must be gay, all people are saying is that Darren has extreme gay mannerisms and tendencies which if you view some of his interviews like him on ellen are quite visible and so we are debating if rather or not his real life gay mannerisms equals gay behavior. This has nothing to do with his character at all.

But i must warn you guys that most likely Darren Criss is gay because he inhaled while kissing. bye

You were seriously offended by that? You're joking, right? Tell you what, Sheila, I'm gonna be a real stand-up guy and go ahead an write you a prescription for some complimentary chill pills. So why don't you just go ahead and cry me a river and then take a couple of them. That should clear things up.

Seriously though, lighten up. It was a joke. And Is it not more offensive to judge someone's sexuality based on some mannerisms that have been labeled by popular culture stereotyping as being "gay" mannerisms? Hell, if that's how we're defining sexuality then I guess I should just go ahead and tear up my Gay Cards. 'Cus last time I checked, I don't go around lisping out tunes from Mamma Mia or making limp-wristed gestures.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by non6cents

You were seriously offended by that? You're joking, right? Tell you what, Sheila, I'm gonna be a real stand-up guy and go ahead an write you a prescription for some complimentary chill pills. So why don't you just go ahead and cry me a river and then take a couple of them. That should clear things up.

Seriously though, lighten up. It was a joke. And Is it not more offensive to judge someone's sexuality based on some mannerisms that have been labeled by popular culture stereotyping as being "gay" mannerisms? Hell, if that's how we're defining sexuality then I guess I should just go ahead and tear up my Gay Cards. 'Cus last time I checked, I don't go around lisping out tunes from Mamma Mia or making limp-wristed gestures.

Listen Nancy, you compared gays to mutants so yes i was offended. What you call humor or lack their of is un-impressive and bigoted. Do i take you seriously? Never have never will, Do i need to chill? Yes and preferably on a nice warm dick. That should clear things up.

Seriously though, lighten up. People judge others all the time rather its by handwriting, voice, parenting, appearance or mannerisms. This is the celebrity section where we judge and nit pick at different celebrities. We're not defining sexuality based on mannerisms just judging sexuality based on mannerisms so how you view yourself shouldn't be equivalent to how we view darren.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

Listen Nancy, you compared gays to mutants so yes i was offended. What you call humor or lack their of is un-impressive and bigoted. Do i take you seriously? Never have never will, Do i need to chill? Yes and preferably on a nice warm dick. That should clear things up.

Seriously though, lighten up. People judge others all the time rather its by handwriting, voice, parenting, appearance or mannerisms. This is the celebrity section where we judge and nit pick at different celebrities. We're not defining sexuality based on mannerisms just judging sexuality based on mannerisms so how you view yourself shouldn't be equivalent to how we view darren.

Hm. Still searching for the place where I compared gays to mutants. I don't see that anywhere. Let me check again just to make sure. Nope! I didn't say that once. Phew! Glad we cleared that up. I'm not an insensitive bastard. You just apparently can't read properly.

What I do see is a place where I made a point about how idiotic it is to use the roles Darren Criss has played to judge his personal life and I used the example of Hugh Jackman playing a mutant to back that argument up. I could have just as easily said "I'm pretty sure that Harrison Ford doesn't actually fight Nazis over ancient religious artifacts" or "I'm pretty sure that Christian Bale doesn't actually dress up as a bat and fight crime in an endless quest to avenge his murdered parents." Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine just happens to be what sprung to mind. Now does that make sense, dear?

Re: Darren Criss

What, you mean Glee isn't real? I thought Darren was gay, just like Kevin (Artie) is really paralysed from the waist down, and Heather (Brittany) still thinks babies come from storks, and Dianna (Quinn) was pregnant for a whole season. Damn, I was making all kinds of judgements about the actors based on what their characters have been doing. My bad.

I don't know if anyone will accept this as proof or anything, but I know a straight guy who's into music and drama with really similar mannerisms as Darren (lots of big hand gestures, really feminine at times). Despite all of that, I can't imagine him being gay at all. Even though he fits the stereotype, he just seems straight. I can't explain it.

Further proof: Darren is not that great at dressing himself. I mean, no gay man would ever wear brown shoes with a black suit.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by datjacob

In the words of Macaulay Culkin, it's right here you big dummy. #109

Again with the difficulty you seem to have with reading.

What I do see is a place where I made a point about how idiotic it is to use the roles Darren Criss has played to judge his personal life and I used the example of Hugh Jackman playing a mutant to back that argument up. I could have just as easily said "I'm pretty sure that Harrison Ford doesn't actually fight Nazis over ancient religious artifacts" or "I'm pretty sure that Christian Bale doesn't actually dress up as a bat and fight crime in an endless quest to avenge his murdered parents." Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine just happens to be what sprung to mind. Now does that make sense, dear?

By all means, keep digging that hole for yourself. This is entertaining as hell.

Re: Darren Criss

You know, It's funny. This guy actually comes across as less campy on Glee where he plays a gay guy than he does in real life. So Im sorry I dont buy it that he calls himself straight.

He's a drama/theater kid. The fact that he acts kinda campy at times (especially in situations where he's enthusiastic) should not be that surprising, and it definitely doesn't automatically mean that he's gay.

Also, completely relevant:

I'm not sure whether I like him best with longer hair or shorter hair. Definitely not with the Glee style, though – that's to gel-y.

Re: Darren Criss

When I heard he was coming to the show I watched a lot of his youtube videos. From his song selections and the way he sang them, I assumed he was gay. I was surprised to find that he says he's not. Let's face it....it is still not a smart move to come out and have a public career, as much as we wish that was true.

Re: Darren Criss

An original song written pre Glee. Very non gender specific. Would actually make a perfect love song, sung to Kurt...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SGA46QxP4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SGA46QxP4[/ame]

Re: Darren Criss

He never (at least not as far as I've heard or seen) changes the pronoun in songs. He's also sung "The Coolest Girl" several times (sung from Hermione's point of view), that doesn't mean he's a girl.

"Sami", btw, is a love song about a girl, if that's what you're looking for. It was later rewritten as "Harry" for the Harry Potter musical, but it started out as "Sami". Feel free to google the lyrics, I'm not allowed to post URLs yet.

There are also several photos out of him with his girlfriend in college, but I guess that doesn't matter as long as he has slightly exaggerated mannerisms and sings songs with their actual lyrics.

Re: Darren Criss

Originally Posted by ladave

I also find the whole fell of this post rather mean spirited and petty. Picking people apart is again, petty. I'm getting oldr but when I was in my prime I was told I was hot looking and could get laid pretty much anytime I wanted. But if you asked me I'd say my ears stuck out too much and my chin was a bit weak. Everybody has flaws, That doesn't make them unattractive. What people like is relative. Someone who is gorgeous can be nothing special to someone else. That doesn't mean he's ugly, just not your type. Basically what I'm saying is he's good looking. You're petty and a snob.

I so agree!

I think the original poster speaks for a lot of gay guys, sadly, enough. Bitchy, never happy, always having to tear down.

I have a theory that many if not most gay men are so conditioned by growing up gay in a homophobic world to not like "gay" that they develop self-loathing and project that loathing onto others.

You show me somebody who has to get petty with a model's handsome looks and I'll show you somebody who isn't happy with himself.

I mean, really. People don't have to be attracted to Darren Criss. Hell, there are lots of handsome guys that I'm not attracted to. But that doesn't mean I tear them down.

It's why I often feel like an outcast in the gay world. I'm a handsome guy, well-liked, but I don't fit in with all these bitches. I hate to say it, but very often I just find myself not liking gay men. And the comments in this post are exactly why.

Re: Darren Criss

Re: Darren Criss

Well, you're splitting hairs. I'm not tearing down other posters in pettiness. I'm criticizing the incredible shallowness and pettiness in certain posters and many gay men. I'm not being petty or shallow at all in my criticizing.

Re: Darren Criss

I think the original poster speaks for a lot of gay guys, sadly, enough. Bitchy, never happy, always having to tear down.

I have a theory that many if not most gay men are so conditioned by growing up gay in a homophobic world to not like "gay" that they develop self-loathing and project that loathing onto others.

You show me somebody who has to get petty with a model's handsome looks and I'll show you somebody who isn't happy with himself.

I mean, really. People don't have to be attracted to Darren Criss. Hell, there are lots of handsome guys that I'm not attracted to. But that doesn't mean I tear them down.

It's why I often feel like an outcast in the gay world. I'm a handsome guy, well-liked, but I don't fit in with all these bitches. I hate to say it, but very often I just find myself not liking gay men. And the comments in this post are exactly why.

Bitches. Never happy unless they're tearing down.

For the original poster, you know, being gay has been the lesser of his problems, since he was not raised in America
As for the model looks and self-satisfaction thing, you again start in the right direction only to be diverted from after just a couple of words: as I have said and repeated here and there over and over again, it's not about the looks or the talent, it's about the HYPE, and there we can be bitchy, because neither Darren Criss nor Mozart nor whomever you please to mention are God[s]. HYPING is the worst way of degradation and "tearing down", all the more since so many people, apparently you too, not only don't seem to find anything wrong in it, but they often they can't even see it, like you, and therefore they only see the hyped character (Mr. Criss in this case) and the "tearer", Yours Truly.

As I said above, I wish that being gay had been the bigger of my problems but, on the other hand, having to fight both all the petty mean and petty well-intentioned people in the world has allowed me to broaden and deepen my vision and understanding of things but, of course, since there are only a few dozen instead of dozen millions of people who understand this, I am supposed to be the haughty, petty, wrong one.