Rome And Churches Of The East

Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, not only worshiped on Sunday, but had episcopal polity (bishops, presbyters, and deacons), and the sacraments?

cluny: I don't care about your 3 favorite things. I just want to know how you can call yourself Orthodox, when you don't follow the example of Jesus and the Apostles. Why don't you answer this one simple question?

Cluny the council of Laodicea did declare that those who went on keeping Sabbath were to be punished.

The Pope and the Eastern churches worked together for awhile till the Roman Pope decided to steal power.

What matters is that the Bible in the Ten Commandment say to keep the Seventh day Sabbath. Also that no where does the Bible say to not keep the Sabbath nor does it say to meet on the first day of the week.

The Pope for centuries lied and said he did it. But it was just another lie.

Jerry: his CUSTOM was, he went into the synagogue on the SABBATH day, and stood up for to read.//

A side note, but it was very interesting to me:

In Matthew Gospel, he always identify Jesus entering the synagogues as 'their' not including Him even though Jesus is Jewish.

Ex: Matthew 9:35

As for Paul and Acts, going to Church on the Sabbath didn't even enter the rules for Jews entering the Church.

Acts 15:19-20 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

NurseRobert: Except that Davis NEVER claimed he was president of the United States, but of the southern states that withdrew from the US.//

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Oh, so ONLY children TODAY living in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Virginia, and Tennessee have to cite Davis name next to Lincoln's name as the 16th Presidents.

NO ONE recites Davis' name because Davis was NEVER the President of even those States.

That's why we went to war

Lincoln was the TRUE President of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Virginia, and Tennessee NOT Davis.

Just because Davis claimed he was President didn't make him President.

What makes you think that Sunday is the only day I go to church, jerry?---Cluny on 1/14/19

Interesting point, Cluny.... Lets say I got lost on a deserted island.. It's very possible that I would lose sense of time, including the day of the week (I see this all the time with hospitalized patients).

Does that mean if I worship on the wrong day that God will ignore me..

In all honestly, this argument about what day is the Sabbath amounts to nothing but petty legalistic squabbling. God is going to hear my prayers and worship regardless of what day it is.

\\It's unconceivable that some people here claiming to be Christians, they keep on giving 'honor and reverence' to those that throughout times have been leading the souls into separation from THE LORD by their pagan and false doctrines\\

Abraham Lincoln was our President. But there was another man ALSO claiming he was president at the same time. Jefferson Davis

---Nicole_Lacey on 1/4/19

Except that Davis NEVER claimed he was president of the United States, but of the southern states that withdrew from the US. Your 3 Popes, all claimed to be THE POPE of the entire church. So back to my question: how do you explain the three Popes in 1378-1417. Each claimed to be Pope, each had their own following. Each excommunicated the others.. Was that just a "spat"?

It's unconceivable that some people here claiming to be Christians, they keep on giving 'honor and reverence' to those that throughout times have been leading the souls into separation from THE LORD by their pagan and false doctrines and the adulteration of The Scriptures, in order to bring the souls to do exactly what THE LORD first and above all things and from the very beginning warns about it: "Those who worship idols, cannot enter GOD'S KINGDOM"- and those who do, they do to evil spirits" - no wonder they get so obstinate in rejecting THE TRUTH that only relies in GOD'S WORD inspired by THE LORD HIMSELF and through HIS HOLY SPIRIT!

Sorry, Nicole, but the correct method for addressing a Cardinal is: "During a formal introduction, a Cardinal should be introduced as His Eminence, (First Name) Cardinal (Last Name), Archbishop of (Location). He should be directly addressed as Your Eminence or Cardinal (Last Name) or, on paper, as His Eminence, (First Name) Cardinal (Last Name), Archbishop of (Location).

I thought you knew that Saturday was the seventh day Sabbath of the Commandments spoken by God. Just check any dictionary or encyclopedia. Please show from Scripture where Sunday is to be kept in honor of the resurrection.

Cluny: There is nothing orthodox about Sunday keeping. Jesus and the Apostles kept Sabbath exclusively. What raving lunatic told you differently?

\\I have a better question for you. Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, kept all the false doctrines of Catholicism, but not the ORTHODOX teachings of Jesus and the Apostles?\\

We do keep the Orthodox teachings of Christ and the Apostles, but you don't.

Instead, you keep the teachings of a raving possessed madwoman who has been proven to be a false prophet.

"Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, not only worshiped on Sunday, but had episcopal polity (bishops, presbyters, and deacons), and the sacraments?"

I have a better question for you. Why is it that ancient churches of the East that had NOTHING to do with Rome or the popes, kept all the false doctrines of Catholicism, but not the ORTHODOX teachings of Jesus and the Apostles?

Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, And God blessed the seventh day. For this is the blessed Sabbath, this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh, and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [Catholics] never sanctify." - James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p.111

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles ... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." - Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 25,1900.

"Everyday is the day to honor THE LORD and live under HIS GUIDANCE AND ADMONITIONS" - what's the use for some to keep one day or another, but their commitment unto THE LORD is not there on their daily living and on that, it just become a religious appearance??? Foolishness!

As Paul said: "Show me your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith by my works" - the decisions in every respect that reverence and pleases our LORD and under HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS!

You admit that the SDA picks and chooses which of the Biblical sabbaths it keeps."

No Cluny, it is YOU who are the hypocrite. I have told you that we SDA's keep the ONLY day commanded by God in the Ten Commandments - the seventh-day Sabbath.

You, on the other hand, are unable to explain how your adherence to a counterfeit sabbath (Sunday) comports with the definition of Orthodox - a title you claim as your own. If you were truthful, you would admit that the SDA position on this subject is the orthodox one and yours is not.

Why do you refuse to address the core issue that Jesus and the Apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) and alleged Orthodox do not. This fact belies the very meaning of the word "orthodox". At least the Catholics are honest enough to admit they they changed it on their own authority. What is YOUR excuse?

Why giving honor here in this Christian site - to those who defiantly have trampled upon THE LORD HOLINESS AND HIS WORD - from the past and into the present with their corrupted and false/idolatrous/heretic doctrines and even persecuted true Christians throughout times? . . . listen what THE LORD says (not a wicked deceitful religious man) . . . if you remain defending such wickedness - you have decided into becoming lost and reprobate by your own will!

"For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud (yes, those of whom some here constantly exalting them because of their own spiritual blindness themselves) yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble, saith THE LORD". Malachi 4:1

Nicole, your assumption has a fatal error: The only church that was UNDER Rome was the church of Rome itself. No other bishop even pretended to acknowledge a Roman SUPER-authority until at least 312 A.D.