I have a second hand starter kit saddle for sale. It has a few scuff marks on the leather but has a nice strong tree and all the points and stitching is in good order. Comes with childs leathers and antigall girth. SUTABLE AS A TRAIL RIDING SADDLE ONLY. Because of the angle of the bars the leathers have slipped off twice while I was jumping bigger jumps. Can slip the latch on the bars up to prevent this. Good for a hobby owner who only rides occasionally. Has two small holes in leather where d rings were removed, doesnt affect strength of saddle.