Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

I seem to recall following a thread a while back where you talked about chakras before. IIRC, you see them as parasites. My current model states that
being major interface points between the physical and astral bodies, they are conduits for the flow of energy between these two "worlds" (astral and
material). Considering this, it would make sense that astral low-lifes would congregate on these vortices of energy. I don't think the chakras
themselves are parasitic though. It seems like a huge coincidence that the chakras/meridians correspond with major organs, glands and the lymphatic
system. All the work I've done related to these have been very potent and successful. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Being a magician, I'm super anal about words and meaning. When someone says, "I'm not religious, but spiritual" I always want to ask them, "Oh, so
what spirits do you work with?" Of course, they only mean it in a vaguely humanist or New-Agey, feel-good way. I'm into individual growth and the
evolution and expansion of individual consciousness and awareness. Lately, my work in this has brought me to consort with "spirits". So far, it's been
a mind-blowing and fascinating learning experience.

And you are absolutely spot-on about the "good" ones. VERY subtle. Usually. I only say that with reservations because I feel like I missed a major
opportunity to contact them directly and in hindsight, it was not so subtle at all. But there are exceptions to every thing, right? Seems to me that
they'll only make themselves known if you REALLY want it and the time is right. Even then, you might not be ready for it.

Having read many many posts on here re claims regarding ufo's some with claimed images or video others just stories re the event it's not a case of
being projected into the mind but by the mind.

Many claims made when there are images or video can be shown to be false because of the assumptions made especially when it comes to estimates of
speed distance or height and what that then shows is that many people either lie (hoax) have poor observational skills or are just plain confused.

I have no doubt many really think what they think happened, actually happened (based on assumptions/perception) but did it really.

You just have to watch a current news event with 2 witnesses in different locations both accounts of an event are never 100% the same.

Good thread Kev and certainly some food for thought there - sometimes separately located witnesses do report the same thing though.

Any thoughts on the water collection aspect of the subject - did a thread on it a while back and there does seem to be some similar accounts
(especially when it comes to tubes and pipes).

Eyewitness testimony from two geologists in British Columbia,1965.

As the two men watched in astonishment, the object moved slowly across the ridge until it was above a small glacial lake, barely more than a pond.
Hovering there an instant, it then descended to less than 50ft. above the water. Again it hovered and, to the men's further amazement, lowered a
pipe-like instrument from its underside into the water. "At first we thought it was something like a rope-ladder," Hembling said, "but it didn't just
drop down. It came out smoothly and steadily as if under mechanical control."

..the whole rim rotated slowly when suddenly, from the base, near the center, three luminous "tubes" of "blue neon light" were projected, like
cylinders extended straight down from the ship to the surface of the river.
They seemed to be transparent and were rotating, and looked like they were either discharging something into, or were drawing something from, the
water. After several minutes the "cylinders" were withdrawn from the water into the object, one at a time.

South Coast of Hokkaido - Japan, 1973.

He said the light descended to an altitude of about 20 meters (75 feet) above the surface, of the water and stopped,and then from the underside of the
light came what appeared to be a glass-like transparent tube and when the leading edge of the tube touched the surface of the water, that part of the
tube began to glow and appeared to be sucking up the bay water.

Württemberg, South Germany -April 9th, 1970

Then it halted, did a right-angle turn towards the little stream of water, and stopped there. The rotation stopped too. "What I now observed is beyond
my power to comprehend. From the dark centre of the ball there emerged, downwards, something resembling a hose-pipe, which bent itself back and
upwards like a 'U' and then writhed about sideways several times

La Caleta, near Boca Chica, Dominican Republic, 06-24-1977

While returning to Santo Domingo at about one in the morning, Senor A.S. Cruz saw a light over the sea, which descended to water level, and a tube
came out of the bottom and took up water. The witness stopped to watch the unusual spectacle. The UFO stopped its auction action and headed toward
him.

St. Petersburg, Florida. St. Petersburg Times. 17 December 1973

Patrick Thrush pulled his car off the road onto an embankment, and as he started to turn his car around, he said, the high beams from his car showed a
silvery reflecting object hovering about 20 feet over the water. A tube extended from the object into the water...the tube, which had been at an
angle, straightened up and began retracting into the hovering object.

I have always been afraid of IT; I tried to tell myself that IT is here to enlighten, yet, I freak out whenever IT wants to visit.

I do feel that I can tell the difference between deceased relatives and IT. My relatives comfort me, not scare me.

I have experienced the profound quiet, hazy? air that looks almost liquid? - can't explain that either.

Orbs, oh yes.

The last time I went camping, I swore I saw bright orbs skimming the top of my tent, but told myself I was imagining things. Then came the whistling,
then the flute playing. There were Rottweilers within 100 ft of my tent who barked at every chipmunk they went by, but ironically, nothing while the
flute played those early morning hours.

I sat in my tent (with my hatchet) praying to every passed relative, God to make it stop. Then I remembered reading here that praying to Jesus
specifically would protect you. So I prayed to Jesus, and it stopped just feet away from my tent.

Looking back, I remember begging my family to go thru the trails with me, and they adamantly refused. They all usually love hiking, but I couldn't
get them to go. While they were swimming, I almost went alone, but my son came back early to check on me.

I think maybe older people can give permission, but how can a young child when we still don't know what we are dealing with?

Thanks for starting a classic ATS thread. Have you any thoughts on Robert Anton Wilson's writings, in regards to your own findings?
I disagree with your use of quotation marks. If you're going to use quotation marks then quote somebody, or at least give a reference.
We're all in this together, so no need to hide special knowledge.
Cheers
P

I have experienced that creepy silence called the Oz Factor when me and my friend witnessed a orange ball in the sky before shooting straight up in
the sky after 1 or 2 minutes before disappearing so but the whole episode was strange as heard no noises like birds/people/cars and didn't not see
anyone else a car going by in that small period of time.
Another friend has witnessed when he stayed what I used to see in my attic bedroom which was a slow moving wave like smoke in the middle of the room
hovering.

You got an intruiging view on the subject, but I'm still in doubt of how these things need to be seen, literally or figuratively speaking. I'd go for
the latter, cause why else would you need further research? (Correct me if I'm wrong Kev)

Still got some questions:
- Isn't accepting this theory on it's own an invitation? (Reading between the lines you sort of warned it is)
- Is there a way to get rid of it once it's in?
- You mentioned in other topics different sorts of 'it'. Care to elaborate which types there are?

Other thing is, how do you suggest young people start researching this subject? Where to start from? What has been covered allready? What direction
would you suggest research should go in (call it a research roadmap if you want)? Fly solo or get in research groups?

Many questions, but don't get me wrong, I find your view on the subject interesting and feel there's a lot to learn. Purerly rational though, some
things are hard to understand.

It's better not to get obsessed with this stuff and to enjoy our little lives.

This is some of the greatest advice I've red here!

Thanks! Hope this isn't your last topic, but if it is put your own advice in great use.

The "truth" is that organic life came first, before "energy life";
that "energy life" evolved from the "hardware".
Well that's my understanding.
So as the "hardware" we have tremendous power to just
"reboot ourselves" or otherwise change "access controls"
to use a computing analogy.

But "the Phenomenon" has *always* wanted us to believe,
that It is some majestic, immortal, spiritual "god-thing".

This is the great deception and the great delusion.

It will do anything to get access to us and to live through us.

You can even consider it like Dissociative Identity Disorder
(split personality).

Great thread, as always you leave a lot to ponder on. I loved the Magus story.

I remember talking about this possible aspect of aerial phenomena before with you and my mind was, well. Nearly blown would be a good discription.

But now, thinking and re-visiting the multiple sightings I've had in the past leaves me with a conclusion that what I've seen is tangible.

I'm still young and I guess I've been lucky considering my first sighting was when I was about 17, I've had on average about one sighting pee year
since (nearly 26) I'm sure I mentioned before I'm open on interpretation and I try not to jump to any conclusions regarding phenomena. Despite what my
gut says I just do not know.

But I have had 3 sightings with multiple people, twice I said look and they saw. Afterwards to their dismay I asked them to describe exactly what they
saw without saying what I saw.

They saw the exact same thing, one being saw by more people than I'd ever know. My first nightshift in a factory a "satellite" did it's usual
manoeuvres but stopped above the factory, it stayed stationary for a few hours... It could well have been a satellite, though I know of no satellites
capable of orbit and then locking over a part of the Earth. At least 10 witnesses I know of.

So I just don't know. Maybe it isn't all magic and woo. I know nothing of shamanism, meditation or anything like that and I've always thought I kept
an unbiased approach to all phenomena I've experienced (I've been lucky) or maybe you are right.

Funnily enough I tend to give offerings to something at the solstices, usually I pour a growing wine (yeasts still feeding) in the Summer and a
finished product in the winter... I don't know why haha. I might as well mention that around the time of sightings I've had exceptional perception and
even foresight.

Their is nothing quite like "knowing" you'll see a certain someone or find a certain thing.

Well as usual, my post is a bit all over the place and I don't think I know what I'm on about

I guess I'd like guidance but I can't see any paths
with my eyes closed.

Since you wish to advance "the field" I will be sure to answer as best that I may!
It's a rock road brother.. in some ways it's like the "last of the Jedi are dying out"
and there are no replacements.

I'll answer in your text.

You got an intruiging view on the subject, but I'm still in doubt of how these things need to be seen, literally or figuratively speaking. I'd go for
the latter, cause why else would you need further research? (Correct me if I'm wrong Kev)

[Until we can hook up a speaker/microphone to a mass of swirling information/plasma/exotic energy and talk to it,
more research will need to be done. The standard of evidence is huge, for "huge claims". That said, to even discuss this "field" is a huge up-hill
struggle. There is all this misinformation and delusion to push aside, in a dozen fields. The Phenomenon is hooked into human (and other)
consciousness. You nearly have to rip your still beating heart out of your own chest (your own corrupted consciousness) to even begin to get a good
look at this stuff. Nobody doing this research wants to start some religion.. they want to do science.. but this "field" is the very well-spring of
subjectivity. Do you see what a tiny beginning has been made?]

Still got some questions:
- Isn't accepting this theory on it's own an invitation? (Reading between the lines you sort of warned it is)

[I'm suggesting that everyone protect themselves from spirituality, religion and standard UFOlogy, which
is in itself an invitation. By not choosing you make a choice (Queen!). Everybody works for somebody,
whether they know it or not (allow themselves to be affected by "memes"). There is no avoiding "this stuff".
But awareness of basic principles is critical]

- Is there a way to get rid of it once it's in?

[We are it. and "It" is us. You might even call "It" our human "group soul" if you want to put it that way, but that's a dangerous concept that is
very corrupting. You don't get rid of your liver, unless you want to die. But if your liver is diseased, you do your best to heal it. But that said,
there certainly are more negative (lets call them) "thoughts"
and it's best not to give those a home. You might just consider "this stuff" "memes", but some memes can "infect"
in a way which causes physical effects.]

- You mentioned in other topics different sorts of 'it'. Care to elaborate which types there are?

[Not in this post so much. There seems to be a non-terrestrial variety.. and the rest is terrestrial. But I'm just trying to get the concepts out
there, and not "start a new religion". You do understand that this post is strongly "feeding back into the control loop", right? The "Phenomenon"
loves to be talked about.. and the way it is talked about helps define the "form of the destroyer". I will certainly keep elaborating though, if
people want to keep listening, or just to humor my "muse"]

Other thing is, how do you suggest young people start researching this subject? Where to start from? What has been covered allready? What direction
would you suggest research should go in (call it a research roadmap if you want)? Fly solo or get in research groups?

[Read my entire suggested reading list on my blog. I really can't say what has been covered so far.. as parts of it have been covered in classified
and confidential operations that people talk about on ATS. But what I would suggest? Get a 4 year degree in a related science and become a scientist,
while keeping an open mind. As for research groups, those sound cool in concept, but you'd probably get an "agent" coming to watch you eventually if
you made any progress. EVERY "UFO or occult/spiritual group" EVER gets corrupted. The "Phenomenon" is stronger when you gather together to study it
(in this case it's like the Christians say about the "holy spirit"). This is a tough "field" and anyone wanting to advance it will have to be a better
person than I am.]

Many questions, but don't get me wrong, I find your view on the subject interesting and feel there's a lot to learn. Purerly rational though, some
things are hard to understand.

[This is the most difficult thing in the world to understand, so don't feel bad. This is "Who are we? What is consciousness? How do we fit into the
big picture? What else is out there!]

There certainly are a lot of physical objects out there that can be misconstrued to be "the Phenomenon".

If you take some of the research seriously (like some of the posts by MIrageman) you'll come to realize that many of the "sightings" are probably
fake, perhaps project Palladium (for radar traces) or actual physical stage props put out there by the MIC sometimes.

Then of course there are the fake physical craft materialized by the Phenomenon itself. Stuff like the Kelly Hopkinsville incident to name just
one.

Seems like a lot of work I know! Seems absurd to "stage all this stuff".

But in a sense, it's a battle for the "human mind/soul".

There are various power blocks that want to run programs on the "human network".

As for "becoming a shaman"..I'd recommend going to college and getting a degree if you haven't already. Build a strong, rational mind, before you jump
into the bunny hole, or you will get "Phenomenon'ed".

That "Oz factor" is critical.. we are all going to be herded around like brain-damaged sheep, lead around with a collar of "ancient aliens" or "nuts
and bolts craft" until more people come forward about critical things such as that "oz factor".

Yes, the "air can become liquid and matter can be seen through" when heavily under the influence of "IT".

This is a sign that a specific part of the brain is being accessed.. the "archetypical mind".. it's the same part of the mind accessed during "night
terrors". I wish there were more neurologists "in this field" than just Persinger, who took this "field" in directions that were not entirely
helpful.

Again, these kind of observations are CRITICAL, if we want to wrest "UFOlogy" and related fields away from the sorely misinformed. But "the
Phenomenon" wants us to believe in flying saucers filled with little green men. So does the MIC.

Nobody wants human beings to learn who they really are, and their real place in the big picture. Then whole herds would be lost.

Yes, I know I'm speaking like in the "Matrix" don't get freaked out.. or take that analogy too far.

But since the beginning of human history, there has always been someone trying to control our minds for their benefit.

You see, "the Phenomenon" accesses our systems through nerve plexuses and neurochemicals both. Especially the sexual hormones. Yes, there is a reason
that Tantra and Kundalini yoga can be so extremely powerful.

So in a sense "chakras" are real. (the nerve plexus part).

And if you study Kundalini Yoga, the first step is to build the "sushumna".. which contrary to lore does not actually exist until it's built. And it's
NOT some mystical thing.. it's a powerful re-alignment of the brain that can be done if you know how..

But all that... is a disinformation campaign, put forward by "the Phenomenon" so that it can better interface with us.

Did you ever read the old Hindu/New age stuff? Ever notice how to "awaken the chakras" one is supposed to meditate on pictures of "deities" within the
"chakras"?

Hint! Hint!

The purpose of the occult/magic/spiruality/religion/UFOLOGY is to form bonds between humans and non-human influences.. and humans are IGNORANT and the
extreme junior partners.

Frankly.. "chakras" don't even exist, until they are created through misinformation.

One of the most critical steps of "raising Kundalini" is to dissolve them.

Of course "raising Kundalini" is purely for the benefit of "the Phenomenon" and is of little or no benefit to the human host.

On words. yes.. since words program us.. getting them perfect is critical.

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