"College IMO should be market driven. No more philosophy majors at Cal State, on a student loan. Really, can't a guy just read Plato?"

Bard, here in America, I'm thinking that it should it be up to an individual to choose their course of study. A lot in life is being happy in your interests. Making government loans available for those in only certain courses of study just doesn't fit our way of life and our idea of freedom. I'm with coboardhead, there are a lot of folks with educational backgrounds outside science, engineering and mathematics that are very dynamic and successful in many different ways. Money isn't everything in life.

Kind of like you, I have a university degree in fine art. While my working career was in the aerospace business, I still value my education and the perspective it gives me. You might find it surprising, but most folks don't have anything more than a 8th grade education in art. That's because art isn't a required course of study after that.

"College IMO should be market driven. No more philosophy majors at Cal State, on a student loan. Really, can't a guy just read Plato?"

Bard, here in America, I'm thinking that it should it be up to an individual to choose their course of study. A lot in life is being happy in your interests. Making government loans available for those in only certain courses of study just doesn't fit our way of life and our idea of freedom. I'm with coboardhead, there are a lot of folks with educational backgrounds outside science, engineering and mathematics that are very dynamic and successful in many different ways. Money isn't everything in life.

Kind of like you, I have a university degree in fine art. While my working career was in the aerospace business, I still value my education and the perspective it gives me. You might find it surprising, but most folks don't have anything more than a 8th grade education in art. That's because art isn't a required course of study after that.

In my book education should be like europe, even doctors finish all schooling with no debt.

The student loan issue is just a new money shift to give states money from the federal government when they should be providing education for all from arts to business to teachers to the level they want for free.

Remember the hottest selling products from apple have huge designer team involvement. Designers typically have art degrees. The music used in advertisement to sell them were not written by business majors or engineers either.

Obviously that person that said we do not need art majors has never designed a real world product in their life. He must think that companies like apple that work with design firms are wasting their money._________________when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard.

here is another right winger who has his own radio and TV shows that are obviously so ultra political calling the so called media liberal and even blaming the so called liberal media for these events,

as noted on this thread no right wingers have posted anything that shows there is no question an absolute of such a bias, where I have shown countless methods that show it is dominated and controlled by the right wing and here is another he has shows with more viewers than liberals have. and radio is 95% plus ultra partisan right wing not even including religious partisans like him.

Newcombe is a spokesperson for Truth in Action Ministries, which has two nationally syndicated television programs and a combined audience of over half a million on television, radio, and the Internet. In a column in One News Now, Newcombe wrote that the shooting was evidence that “we’re reaping what we’ve been sowing as a society,” explaining, “Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided ‘civil libertarians,’ have chased away any fear of God in the land.”

On the same radio segment, Fred Jackson, the host and director of the American Family Association, similarly blamed Hollywood, liberal media and churches for contributing to mass shootings:
I have to think that all of this, whether it’s the Hollywood movies, whether it’s what we see on the internets, whether it’s liberal bias in the media, whether it’s our politicians changing public policy, I think all of those somehow have fit together—and I have to say also churches who are leaving the authority of Scripture and losing their fear of God—all of those things have seem to have come together to give us these kinds of incidents.

_________________when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard.

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How has a faction consisting of no more than four dozen House members come to exercise so much destructive power? The continuing abandonment of professional responsibilities by the nation's mainstream news sources – including most of the metropolitan daily newspapers and the television outlets, network and cable – has had a great deal to do with it. At some point over the past 40 years, the bedrock principle of journalistic objectivity became twisted into the craven idea of false equivalency, whereby blatant falsehoods get reported simply as one side of an argument and receive equal weight with the reported argument of the other side. There is no shortage of explanations for the press's abdication: intimidation at the rise of Fox News and other propaganda operations; a deep confusion about the difference between hard-won objectivity and a lazy, counterfeit neutrality; and the poisonous effects of the postmodern axiom that truth, especially in politics, is a relative thing, depending on your perspective in a tweet. Whatever the explanation, today's journalism has trashed the tradition of fearless, factual reporting pioneered by Walter Lippmann, Edward R. Murrow and Anthony Lewis.

A press devoted to searching for and reporting the truth, wherever it might lead, would have kept the public better informed of the basic details of the government shutdown and debt-ceiling showdowns. It also would have reported seriously the hard truths of the Tea Party "insurgency," including how it was largely created and has since been bankrolled by oil-and-gas moguls like David and Charles Koch of Koch Industries, and by a panoply of richly endowed right-wing pressure groups like Dick Armey's FreedomWorks and Jim DeMint's Heritage Foundation. It also would have reported on the basic reason for the hard right's growing domination of the Republican Party, which has been the decay of the party at every level, including what passes for its party leadership. No figure exemplifies the problem better than the GOP's highest-ranking official, Speaker John Boehner, whose background and politics have largely escaped scrutiny.

Of course what does he know, Professor of American History at Princeton, finalist for a Pulitzer Prize and winner of the Bancroft Prize for American History? You know, those egg-heads who actually check facts and subject their work to editing, not tweeting.

Of course what does he know, Professor of American History at Princeton, finalist for a Pulitzer Prize and winner of the Bancroft Prize for American History? You know, those egg-heads who actually check facts and subject their work to editing, not tweeting.

mac, great find....._________________when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard.

remember how the right wing media ate this guy up and put him headlines all over, when he was not even a licensed plumber and not even a real businessman. and the rightys held him as their newest saint...

Well here is a recent quote and we do not see it in the headlines do we and this one is a duzer...

again if I owned the media I would have this front page and huge headlines....

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