How the hell have we not found a way to stop this this from gushing out oil into the Gulf of Mexico? Its been like a month. Its going to cost all of us a lot of money soon in prices on everyday products, food and gas.

What is wrong with this country?

Stupid people.

Discuss...

Charlie Tuna

05-13-2010, 04:37 PM

Iknow ifI mention this, everyones gonna label it the conspiricy theory...when it 1st happend, there were reportsfrom the rigscrew thatsaid there were too many back up systems to prevent this and onlya torpedo could do this kind of damage that deep in the water....hhhhmmmmmmmmm, aren't the Chinese and Russians drilling off the coast of Cuba with battle ships going back and forth patroling the area from Venezuela to the rigs off of Cuba to make sure everythings OK.......hhhmmmmmmmm, maybe it was a just a way of them saying hello, we're here at on your side of the hemisphere drilling too and now what are you going to do about it....knowing we aren't going to do jack.....thats what I think at least.....

SEC105

05-13-2010, 04:47 PM

Iknow ifI mention this, everyones gonna label it the conspiricy theory...when it 1st happend, there were reportsfrom the rigscrew thatsaid there were too many back up systems to prevent this and onlya torpedo could do this kind of damage that deep in the water....hhhhmmmmmmmmm, aren't the Chinese and Russians drilling off the coast of Cuba with battle ships going back and forth patroling the area from Venezuela to the rigs off of Cuba to make sure everythings OK.......hhhmmmmmmmm, maybe it was a just a way of them saying hello, we're here at on your side of the hemisphere drilling too and now what are you going to do about it....knowing we aren't going to do jack.....thats what I think at least.....</P>

Thats a scary thought. Never crossed my mind. Anythings possible. I imagine they are goingto recover the blowout preventer eventually, the supposed cause of this mess and that along with other debris should give some kind of hint as to the cause</P>

Joe Morrison

05-13-2010, 04:54 PM

Sounds to me like another case of just getting comfortable.
The warning signs were there but what the hell, we've been doing this for years, it'll be fine.
They rolled the dice, ignored the warnings and now we are going to have to pay the price.
Where's Mr. Cheney when we need a response to this, after all, Haliburton built the damn thing, oh, that's right, he isn't part of Haliburton!!!!!!!!!!!

thegreatone

05-13-2010, 05:06 PM

hell of a conspiacy theory there. Guess its possible but wouldnt that be
a declaration of war if true? Anyways i dont think this is getting the
press it should. This could become an ecological disaster that will be
felt for generations if not contained. It makes me sick to my stomach,
literally, when i think about it. The said drill ababy drill well, what
say you now? oops? this has never happened before? we'll take measures
so that it never happens again? not good enough you money hungry,
corrupt, sobs. I want to see every person who works for BP, every
lobbyist for big oil and most importantly every crooked politician who
is in their pocket including the president, down there cleaning off
animals and trying to clean the beaches. stop ignoring alternative fuel
sources. evolve already

SEC105

05-13-2010, 05:20 PM

hell of a conspiacy theory there. Guess its possible but wouldnt that be a declaration of war if true? Anyways i dont think this is getting the press it should. This could become an ecological disaster that will be felt for generations if not contained. It makes me sick to my stomach, literally, when i think about it. The said drill ababy drill well, what say you now? oops? this has never happened before? we'll take measures so that it never happens again? not good enough you money hungry, corrupt, sobs. I want to see every person who works for BP, every lobbyist for big oil and most importantly every crooked politician who is in their pocket including the president, down there cleaning off animals and trying to clean the beaches. stop ignoring alternative fuel sources. evolve already</P>

Bp is already passing the buck to Transocean and vice versa before Congress. It would be nice to see all the participants in this messjust man up .............but we all know that never happen. And I agree this disaster WILL befelt for generations. Thats such a beautiful area of the country down there. What a shame</P>

greenca190

05-13-2010, 09:08 PM

hell of a conspiacy theory there. Guess its possible but wouldnt that be
a declaration of war if true? Anyways i dont think this is getting the
press it should. This could become an ecological disaster that will be
felt for generations if not contained. It makes me sick to my stomach,
literally, when i think about it. The said drill ababy drill well, what
say you now? oops? this has never happened before? we'll take measures
so that it never happens again? not good enough you money hungry,
corrupt, sobs. I want to see every person who works for BP, every
lobbyist for big oil and most importantly every crooked politician who
is in their pocket including the president, down there cleaning off
animals and trying to clean the beaches. stop ignoring alternative fuel
sources. evolve already*

Well of course it's not going to get any press in the papers, any negative light towards america's consumption of oil is automatically shunned and not looked at by 65 percent of the country. It's a shame that our president was voted in on an eco-based platform, and he did a good job of it during the first year to get it settled with demanding mpg minimums and **** like that. It seems as if ever since health care was passed though, Obama's been trying to give conservatives a "thank you" with this oil thing. It was literally two days after the health care vote where Obama planned to go into the gulf and drill.

And no, no one torpedoed the gas lines. That explosion would be visibly obvious from thousands of miles away. 4 million gallons of oil, torpedoed? Come on.

greenca190

05-13-2010, 09:10 PM

I*know if*I mention this, everyones gonna label it the conspiricy theory...when it 1st happend, there were reports*from the rigs*crew that*said there were too many back up systems to prevent this and only*a torpedo could do this kind of damage that deep in the water....hhhhmmmmmmmmm, aren't the Chinese and Russians drilling off the coast of Cuba with battle ships going back and forth patroling the area from Venezuela to the rigs off of Cuba to make sure everythings OK.......hhhmmmmmmmm, maybe it was a just a way of them saying hello, we're here at on your side of the hemisphere drilling too and now what are you going to do about it....knowing we aren't going to do jack.....thats what I think at least.....

That's probably also why your avatar looks the way it does, you nut job.

TheBlueGiant

05-13-2010, 09:12 PM

How the hell have we not found a way to stop this this from gushing out oil into the Gulf of Mexico? Its been like a month. Its going to cost all of us a lot of money soon in prices on everyday products, food and gas.

What is wrong with this country?

Stupid people.

Discuss...

If Bush was in office it would be all his fault and the man would have been crucified by the liberal media

DragonSoul

05-13-2010, 09:14 PM

we are going to bail out greece what do you expect lol.

Thewise1

05-13-2010, 09:16 PM

Was in the process of making reservations to spend a week in beautiful Clearwater,Fla. on the Gulf coast a day before it happen. I guess the water will not be so clear anymore. This makes me soooooo sick.

greenca190

05-13-2010, 09:19 PM

How the hell have we not found a way to stop this this from gushing out oil into the Gulf of Mexico? Its been like a month. Its going to cost all of us a lot of money soon in prices on everyday products, food and gas.

What is wrong with this country?

Stupid people.

Discuss...

If Bush was in office it would be all his fault and the man would have been crucified by the liberal media

Oh please, there are plenty of news sources that are for and against both parties. Bush was just a ****ty president. I voted for Obama, and I still think it's all his fault. Not because there's a news source out there telling me to feel this way, but because I can think for myself. That still doesn't make Bush any better of a president then he actually was, because a lot of the stuff he did was his fault. He was the ****ing president for christs sake.

Charlie Tuna

05-14-2010, 03:58 PM

its what was initially reported on TV to be a possibility and then immediately shut down..i hope its not true. My point is that this is not something I wouldassume from the get go, just something i heard and something that wouldn't suprise me from the strories I here about other countries(from having served) of themwanting to prove there worth...I'm on the right, not likeyour boys on the leftwho think we caused 9/11 moron.......</P>

Charlie Tuna

05-14-2010, 04:07 PM

this message was for you green man in case you didn't realize......moron</P>

greenca190

05-14-2010, 04:24 PM

its what was initially reported on TV to be a possibility and then immediately shut down..i hope its not true.* My point is that this is not something I would*assume from the get go,* just something i heard and something that wouldn't suprise me from the strories I here about other countries(from having served) of them*wanting to prove there worth...I'm on the right, not like*your boys on the left*who think we caused 9/11 moron.......*</P>

Haha yea, because all people who voted for Obama obviously believe that the government caused 9/11. By the way, that's me being sarcastic.

Your point said that America wouldn't do anything about russia torpedo-ing our gas lines - Right now, our administration is investing ten times more then reagen invested in defense budgets, and yes, even more then bush put towards the defense budget as well (Which I disagree with, big time. Just because I voted for the guy doesn't mean I suck his **** like you procalim everyone who isn't conservative to). So you mean to tell me that we'd be willing to put so much money towards defense strategies, yet wouldn't acknowledge russia bombing us? Please don't fall back to calling me a moron simply because we disagree.

SEC105

05-14-2010, 04:28 PM

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/north_korean_gulf_oil_spill.html</P>

The theories are out there............</P>

jomo

05-14-2010, 04:42 PM

How the hell have we not found a way to stop this this from gushing out oil into the Gulf of Mexico? Its been like a month. Its going to cost all of us a lot of money soon in prices on everyday products, food and gas.

What is wrong with this country?

Stupid people.

Discuss...Am I on the wrong board?? Help me understand the connection between the Men in Blue and incompetence in the Gulf?

gmen 24/7

05-14-2010, 05:03 PM

I appreciate the OP for the thread and all but please keep your political views to yourselves as said in the code of conduct [=P] and because having arguments over politics on a football message board is just plain stupid.

redbeardxxv

05-14-2010, 05:18 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home.

here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims:
Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" :

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home.

here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims:
Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" :

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. Make it safe before you go down there to drill. Come up with some blueprint beforehand in case some terrible disaster happens.

However, I did just find this article on the NYT front page - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/us/politics/15obama.html?hp

This should have been said a year ago when he was inaugurated. Pretty much the platform he ran on.

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

redbeardxxv

05-14-2010, 07:24 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home.

here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims:
Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" :

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. Make it safe before you go down there to drill. Come up with some blueprint beforehand in case some terrible disaster happens.

However, I did just find this article on the NYT front page - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/us/politics/15obama.html?hp

This should have been said a year ago when he was inaugurated. Pretty much the platform he ran on.

No argument that Obama shares the blame for allowing this to happen, but you cannot exonerate the previous administration for their shortcomings and cavalier attitude toward our environment. I will hold my applause for Obama's strong words in your article until I see some action, but I suppose it's a start.

jomo

05-14-2010, 07:28 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home.

here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims:
Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" :

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. Make it safe before you go down there to drill. Come up with some blueprint beforehand in case some terrible disaster happens.

However, I did just find this article on the NYT front page - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/us/politics/15obama.html?hp

This should have been said a year ago when he was inaugurated. Pretty much the platform he ran on.

No argument that Obama shares the blame for allowing this to happen, but you cannot exonerate the previous administration for their shortcomings and cavalier attitude toward our environment.If Bill Sheridan had shown better leadership on environmental issues and if JR hadn't gone cheap in hiring him in the first place, our defence against environmental offenses wouldn't be in the miserable shape they are today. There that's my best shot at connecting these otherwise unrelated topics.

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

If you don't want to contribute then don't.Tim Lewis and Bill Sheridan are responsible for weak environmental defenses which led directly to the blast which led to the spill which means that envirnmentally we are offensive. How is that?

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

If you don't want to contribute then don't.Tim Lewis and Bill Sheridan are responsible for weak environmental defenses which led directly to the blast which led to the spill which means that envirnmentally we are offensive. How is that?

Someone loves attention...

Is she Conan's wife?

05-17-2010, 12:40 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home. here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims: Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" : http://beforeitsnews.com/news/38/556/****_Cheney_Caused_the_Gulf_Oil_Disaster_..._and_a _Lot_Of_Other_Disasters.html Haliburton's involvement: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/04/gulf-oil-spill-the-halliburton-connection.html</P>

Without getting political or personal, a quick Google search shows me that your facts aren't quite accurate. The Bush Administration did not remove the requirement for a bypass valve nor did Cheney remove the "acoustical valve". First off, there's no such thing as a "accoustical valve". The term your looking for is "accoustic switch". However, there has never been a requirement in the U.S. to install accoustic switches. Therefore, Cheney and the rest of the Bush Admin. could not remove a requirement that never existed. Further, the rig was indeed equipped with a blowout preventer that was connected to a "dead-man switch" (i.e. a valve at the ocean floor that should have automatically closed when it stopped receiving signals from the rig). While an accoustic switch should be (and probably will be) requiredon all future rigs, it may not have worked anyway. If the problem is with the valve and not the dead-man switch, then a second switch wouldn't help anything.</P>

By the way, that link is hardly a reliable news source. Here's a better one:</P>

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. are you high?

I'm petty sure dealing with 2 wars, the world economy at collapse, Haiti, Iran, and his his daily brief of Homeland and world threats...you expect him to go over the lists of oil rigs and know what ones are unsafe? Pretty sure he believed the Bush Amin had it under control

lol unreal

derekunion28

05-17-2010, 05:18 PM

guys relax...... its a shame no matter who is to blame , they better just fix it and dont let it happen again

redbeardxxv

05-17-2010, 05:38 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home. here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims: Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" : http://beforeitsnews.com/news/38/556/****_Cheney_Caused_the_Gulf_Oil_Disaster_..._and_a _Lot_Of_Other_Disasters.html Haliburton's involvement: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/04/gulf-oil-spill-the-halliburton-connection.html</P>

Without getting political or personal, a quick Google search shows me that your facts aren't quite accurate.* The Bush Administration did not remove the requirement for a bypass valve nor did Cheney remove the "acoustical valve".* First off, there's no such thing as a "accoustical valve".* The term your looking for is "accoustic switch".* However, there has never been a requirement in the U.S. to install accoustic switches.* Therefore, Cheney and the rest of the Bush Admin. could not remove a requirement that never existed.* Further, the rig was indeed equipped with a blowout preventer that was connected to a "dead-man switch" (i.e. a valve at the ocean floor that should have automatically closed when it stopped receiving signals from the rig).* While an accoustic switch should be (and probably will be) required*on all future rigs, it may not have worked anyway.* If the problem is with the valve and not the dead-man switch, then a second switch wouldn't help anything.</P>

By the way, that link is hardly a reliable news source.* Here's a better one:</P>

This point has been degraded to simple nit picking and fact distortion, seems like your argument is straight out the Rush Limbaugh school of arguing nuances that mean nothing and serve no purpose other than to "muddy the waters" - no, the Bush administration did not "remove it" they simply did not require the oil companies comply with the evolving safety technologies like the rest of the world has ALREADY done. Oh and I'm sorry, valve/switch whatever. It's hardly important that I get the nomenclature correct at this point. As far as my quoted sources, I was in a hurry, I googled it and gave you the first link listed. Now that we've cleared that all up, I'll take this opportunity to exit this thread before it gets hostile.

TheBlueGiant

05-17-2010, 06:07 PM

guys relax...... its a shame no matter who is to blame , they better just fix it and dont let it happen again

This is lIke blaming katrina on Bush.. The real problem is getting it fixed . It's time to end the finger pointing and time to fix it.. There was way too much of a lax aproach to this after it happened.

greenca190

05-17-2010, 06:28 PM

guys relax...... its a shame no matter who is to blame , they better just fix it and dont let it happen again

This is lIke blaming katrina on Bush.. The real problem is getting it fixed . It's time to end the finger pointing and time to fix it.. There was way too much of a lax aproach to this after it happened.

There was way too lax approach to this when Obama gave BP the right to go into the Gulf and drill. The whole operation has been poorly executed since its beginning.

greenca190

05-17-2010, 06:32 PM

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. are you high?

I'm petty sure dealing with 2 wars, the world economy at collapse, Haiti, Iran, and his his daily brief of Homeland and world threats...you expect him to go over the lists of oil rigs and know what ones are unsafe? Pretty sure he believed the Bush Amin had it under control

lol unreal

No offense man, but from the way he speaks of the previous administration, I don't think he trusts that they had anything under control, hahaha.

And yeah, I do expect the guy to send out some sort of research team, especially when he runs a campaign based strongly on innovative, alternative energy sources. He knew the dangers that could have resulted from this. The whole operation seemed rushed.

jomo

05-17-2010, 07:04 PM

Where are the mods when you need them?

romohater

05-17-2010, 07:16 PM

solution (http://www.wimp.com/solutionoil/)

TheBlueGiant

05-17-2010, 09:26 PM

we are going to bail out greece what do you expect lol.

Greece is now pointing the finger at the US Banks for making their Economy crash

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

LOL... If you're looking for sports why:
1) do you come to the entertainment section?
2) do you click on a thread titeled the gulf war disaster??

C''''MON MAN!!!

Joe Morrison

05-18-2010, 08:35 AM

I can't help but disagree with you. Obama knew what the issues were down there, he shouldn't have authorized drilling. Simple as that. are you high?

I'm petty sure dealing with 2 wars, the world economy at collapse, Haiti, Iran, and his his daily brief of Homeland and world threats...you expect him to go over the lists of oil rigs and know what ones are unsafe? Pretty sure he believed the Bush Amin had it under control

lol unreal

No offense man, but from the way he speaks of the previous administration, I don't think he trusts that they had anything under control, hahaha.

And yeah, I do expect the guy to send out some sort of research team, especially when he runs a campaign based strongly on innovative, alternative energy sources. He knew the dangers that could have resulted from this. The whole operation seemed rushed.
Is it me or does it sound like this person thinks they just started drilling in the Gulf after Obama got here?
There has been drilling going on in the Gulf long before he got here, long before George Jr. and Senior were in power.
The problem was with the total lack of controlled inspections that were taken place on that rig and the many more still out there.
Like usual, the company supposed to be inspecting is in the back pocket of the oil industry, it's amazing it took this long before something like this happened.
Funny how the man in charge at Mineral is retiring today, he will be going down along with many others if Obama chooses to follow the money trail, but like Cap and Trade, it will all be covered up by the war and us giving money to everyone else in the world.
I don't see any money being thrown at the clean up on the beachs, why isn't this happening and let the government get the money back from BP, no just keep pointing fingers unless it's for some other country!

Is she Conan's wife?

05-18-2010, 02:43 PM

sorry to point it out to you, but it was the Bush administration that removed the requirement for a bypass valve that would have shut the oil down in 24 hours. Oil companies complained that cost of the valve alone was 1/2 a million dollars and that it was an unnecessary expenditure. The issue was brought to the Bush administration, more specifically **** Chaney, and it was declared superfluous. The rig itself, was a Haliburton project. So, yes, this would indeed be Bush's fault, or at least his administration's, and they should all be crucified by the general public for the worst ecological disaster to date, and it's only getting bigger. I live on the Gulf Coast-it's beautiful. Well, it is today, not too sure what it might look like tomorrow or next week. Sunday I'll be going to help clean up the casualties of this oil spill-wildlife and birds and such that are being moved to the Southern coast because their natural home has been destroyed-want me to take some pictures of the victims for you? Might help bring the reality home. here's some links from a quick google search to back up my claims: Chaney's removal of the "acoustical valve" : http://beforeitsnews.com/news/38/556/****_Cheney_Caused_the_Gulf_Oil_Disaster_..._and_a _Lot_Of_Other_Disasters.html Haliburton's involvement: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/04/gulf-oil-spill-the-halliburton-connection.html</P>

Without getting political or personal, a quick Google search shows me that your facts aren't quite accurate. The Bush Administration did not remove the requirement for a bypass valve nor did Cheney remove the "acoustical valve". First off, there's no such thing as a "accoustical valve". The term your looking for is "accoustic switch". However, there has never been a requirement in the U.S. to install accoustic switches. Therefore, Cheney and the rest of the Bush Admin. could not remove a requirement that never existed. Further, the rig was indeed equipped with a blowout preventer that was connected to a "dead-man switch" (i.e. a valve at the ocean floor that should have automatically closed when it stopped receiving signals from the rig). While an accoustic switch should be (and probably will be) requiredon all future rigs, it may not have worked anyway. If the problem is with the valve and not the dead-man switch, then a second switch wouldn't help anything.</P>

By the way, that link is hardly a reliable news source. Here's a better one:</P>

This point has been degraded to simple nit picking and fact distortion, seems like your argument is straight out the Rush Limbaugh school of arguing nuances that mean nothing and serve no purpose other than to "muddy the waters" - no, the Bush administration did not "remove it" they simply did not require the oil companies comply with the evolving safety technologies like the rest of the world has ALREADY done. Oh and I'm sorry, valve/switch whatever. It's hardly important that I get the nomenclature correct at this point. As far as my quoted sources, I was in a hurry, I googled it and gave you the first link listed. Now that we've cleared that all up, I'll take this opportunity to exit this thread before it gets hostile.</P>

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You've said that your exiting the thread, but hopefully you'll read this anyway. I'm not trying to get the last word. I'm just trying to clarify why I do not believe the factual differences are mere nuances or nitpicking. Again, no hostility is intended, neither personal nor politacal.</P>

The way I see it, there's a huge difference between overturning long standing, proven saftey requirements and simply failing to sign into law new technology for what is literally intended to be a redundant system. If you don't see the difference, then stop reading now.</P>

As for the point of switch vs. valve; that's also an important distinction. At only $500K, there's no way that a second valve is involved. Since we don't know if the failure was that of the dead-man switch or of the valve, there's only a 50% chance that an acoutic switch would have worked. Maybe, someday we'll know, but even if it turns out that the acoustic switch would have worked, it's not reasonable to blame the Bush Admin. Hindsight is always 20/20.</P>

Adding redundant saftey systems is generally a good thing, but at the end of the day a blowout prevent connected to a dead-man switch should have worked. Blaming either Bush or Obama is folly. All of the blame belongs with the company that designed or installed the faulty failsafe. With all the fingerpointing going on between BP, Transoceanic and Halliburton; I'm not sure who that is, but I'm pretty sure it's one of them.</P>

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Is she Conan's wife?

05-18-2010, 02:57 PM

[I'm petty sure dealing with 2 wars, the world economy at collapse, Haiti, Iran, and his his daily brief of Homeland and world threats...you expect him to go over the lists of oil rigs and know what ones are unsafe? </P>

Which President are you talking about? [;)]</P>

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In all seriousness, so what if Norway uses an extra failsafe (that may or may not have worked)? The Norwegiansonly have three thingsto worry about: offshore drilling, building boats, and fishing. And that's not even an insult to Norwegians.</P>

More exists behind sports man. Read up.We all know there is more going on than sports and that is why we come here.......to get away from all the day to day hassles and miseries of life. That is what being a fan of an athletic team is all about getting away from life's day to day grind. Very Truly Yours, Rip Van W

LOL...** If you're looking for sports why:
1) do you come to the entertainment section?
2) do you click on a thread titeled the gulf war disaster??

C''''MON MAN!!!
I clicked on it wondering what that was doing on a Giants' board. Now I see that it is connected to the entertainment area and not sure how it wound up on my screen. Whatever, if you guys find the topic "entertaining" go for it.

Die-Hard

05-19-2010, 05:50 AM

Which part of NO POLITICAL DISCUSSION did you guys not understand?

OP, if you're reading this, it will explain your week long suspension. If anyone else wants to talk politics, you'll be next.