OT: heaven/hell

Okay, I know this is totally something possibly more suited toward HT, but I like you guys more and I'm just wondering what your thoughts are! Do you believe in heaven and/or hell? One and not the other, neither, both? Why? Just in general thoughts about the subject. This isn't meant to become a religious debate, honestly. I could care less what religion y'all are lol and the boards been a little dead lately with all the million posts about everyone wanting to be friends and intros and whatnot lol <3

Okay, I know this is totally something possibly more suited toward HT, but I like you guys more and I'm just wondering what your thoughts are! Do you believe in heaven and/or hell? One and not the other, neither, both? Why? Just in general thoughts about the subject. This isn't meant to become a religious debate, honestly. I could care less what religion y'all are lol and the boards been a little dead lately with all the million posts about everyone wanting to be friends and intros and whatnot lol <3

I do. I have always been raised to believe that however it wasnt until Trina died I really grasped it. My faith has really been Shaken in the past year and I went thru several months where god didnt exist because if he did he wouldn't have ever let this happen to my sweet baby. Then I realized that's what faith is. "Believing in what you can't see" ex:heaven and hellHeaven is so far past what I can even imagine but I know it holds the one thing I want most...Trina.So to say heaven doesn't exist is to say Trina is just dead in the ground and ill never see her again. That is unacceptable to me. That those poor innocent children in ct are just dead and gone. I prefer to think they are now looking down protecting us as angels. Just as the man that killed them is in hell.

I do. I have always been raised to believe that however it wasnt until Trina died I really grasped it. My faith has really been Shaken in the past year and I went thru several months where god didnt exist because if he did he wouldn't have ever let this happen to my sweet baby. Then I realized that's what faith is. "Believing in what you can't see" ex:heaven and hellHeaven is so far past what I can even imagine but I know it holds the one thing I want most...Trina.So to say heaven doesn't exist is to say Trina is just dead in the ground and ill never see her again. That is unacceptable to me. That those poor innocent children in ct are just dead and gone. I prefer to think they are now looking down protecting us as angels. Just as the man that killed them is in hell.

I call myself an atheist-leaning agnostic: I really don't believe in heaven/hell/voodoo/spirits but I've never seen any conclusive proof against it, either. Frankly, I don't think it matters what I believe: any god worth his/her/it's salt will judge me on my actions, and I know I'm a good person. I don't have anything against religion or religious people, though (provided no one gets obnoxious or tells me I'm going to hell). I know a lot of people are comforted by the idea of heaven and seeing their loved ones again, and it's not my place to judge that.

I call myself an atheist-leaning agnostic: I really don't believe in heaven/hell/voodoo/spirits but I've never seen any conclusive proof against it, either. Frankly, I don't think it matters what I believe: any god worth his/her/it's salt will judge me on my actions, and I know I'm a good person. I don't have anything against religion or religious people, though (provided no one gets obnoxious or tells me I'm going to hell). I know a lot of people are comforted by the idea of heaven and seeing their loved ones again, and it's not my place to judge that.

apologies in advance if this offends anyone, i am just stating my own personal views. no I don't believe in either heaven or hell. I don't believe in an afterlife, I believe that once you are dead you are dead. I think people experience consequences to their actions whilst they are alive. I prefer to live a good life and act in accordance with certain moral standards for my own sake and society's sake, not because a book says I should or because I may or may not be punished once I'm dead. The idea that there is a god or a devil rewarding or punishing souls once people die is nonsense to me. I think religious organisations took pre existing ideas and symbols and corrupted them as a means of control and exerting power over people. for example, the Christian image of satan as a horned creature was taken from pagan gods (pan) in order to convert (scare) people from pagan beliefs to Christianity. so I find the idea that satan/the devil actually exists quite hard to swallow.

apologies in advance if this offends anyone, i am just stating my own personal views. no I don't believe in either heaven or hell. I don't believe in an afterlife, I believe that once you are dead you are dead. I think people experience consequences to their actions whilst they are alive. I prefer to live a good life and act in accordance with certain moral standards for my own sake and society's sake, not because a book says I should or because I may or may not be punished once I'm dead. The idea that there is a god or a devil rewarding or punishing souls once people die is nonsense to me. I think religious organisations took pre existing ideas and symbols and corrupted them as a means of control and exerting power over people. for example, the Christian image of satan as a horned creature was taken from pagan gods (pan) in order to convert (scare) people from pagan beliefs to Christianity. so I find the idea that satan/the devil actually exists quite hard to swallow.

I really think books like Proof of Heaven by Emmet Fox (absolutely amazing considering the coincidences of what happens to him and what he sees) and people like the little girl who envisions heaven and paints Jesus are absolutely fascinating. I can't remember the name of it, but there's a book about a little boy who dies and goes to heaven and meets Jesus and a sister that miscarried in his mother's womb that he never knew about. His mother asked him what her name was and he said you never gave her one. But Emmet Fox's recount after he had meningitis is just... wow. I believe in Heaven, but I don't believe in Hell.

I really think books like Proof of Heaven by Emmet Fox (absolutely amazing considering the coincidences of what happens to him and what he sees) and people like the little girl who envisions heaven and paints Jesus are absolutely fascinating. I can't remember the name of it, but there's a book about a little boy who dies and goes to heaven and meets Jesus and a sister that miscarried in his mother's womb that he never knew about. His mother asked him what her name was and he said you never gave her one. But Emmet Fox's recount after he had meningitis is just... wow. I believe in Heaven, but I don't believe in Hell.

Oh and the little boy was shown pictures of Jesus and said none of them were right, but the little girl who gets visions had painted a picture of him, and the little boy said it was spot on. Her name is Akiane Kramarik. The things she paints are absolutely amazing.

Oh and the little boy was shown pictures of Jesus and said none of them were right, but the little girl who gets visions had painted a picture of him, and the little boy said it was spot on. Her name is Akiane Kramarik. The things she paints are absolutely amazing.

I believe in heaven and a purgatory-type hell. You're there to be punished for your sins (and I believe most people will go there first) and then you go to heaven. The God I believe in wouldn't send you to eternal hell for things you did during such a brief period. He's kinder and more forgiving than that.

I believe in heaven and a purgatory-type hell. You're there to be punished for your sins (and I believe most people will go there first) and then you go to heaven. The God I believe in wouldn't send you to eternal hell for things you did during such a brief period. He's kinder and more forgiving than that.

Again, I'm with Becka on this - although I consider myself more agnostic than atheist. I went to catholic school myself, baptized, confirmed and the whole bit. Do I really abide by religion? Absolutely not. I'd say I'm more.. Spiritual? Than anything else. My beliefs in things come from all sorts of walks of life, including my own. Personally, I don't know that I believe in heaven per sé, but I do believe there's got to be something better than this. I DO believe in hell. We live here. In my mind, why would 'God' create a WORSE place than here to go? Death, destruction, disease, so on and so forth exist here. I do believe in afterlife and reincarnation of old souls. I guess you could say how I look at this is backwards. Where we start our life (on earth) is where we ended up from a previous one if that makes sense. For me, 'hell on earth' is a true statement. Idk if any of this makes sense 'out loud' lmao I was just thought it would be an interesting topic to chat about! Thanks for obliging so far ladies ( ;

Again, I'm with Becka on this - although I consider myself more agnostic than atheist. I went to catholic school myself, baptized, confirmed and the whole bit. Do I really abide by religion? Absolutely not. I'd say I'm more.. Spiritual? Than anything else. My beliefs in things come from all sorts of walks of life, including my own. Personally, I don't know that I believe in heaven per sé, but I do believe there's got to be something better than this. I DO believe in hell. We live here. In my mind, why would 'God' create a WORSE place than here to go? Death, destruction, disease, so on and so forth exist here. I do believe in afterlife and reincarnation of old souls. I guess you could say how I look at this is backwards. Where we start our life (on earth) is where we ended up from a previous one if that makes sense. For me, 'hell on earth' is a true statement. Idk if any of this makes sense 'out loud' lmao I was just thought it would be an interesting topic to chat about! Thanks for obliging so far ladies ( ;

Oohhh Ayla, I didn't know you were another fallen catholic! After attending catholic school from age 2-18 and being forced to go to church every sunday until I left for college, I was done with those shenanigans.

I don't know that I believe in "hell on earth," but I think one of the reasons I'm skeptical about heaven/hell is because I think our notions of "good" and "bad" are subjective, and can only be defined by the context of a given person's life. How can heaven be all good, without any bad to make the good stand out? What I call a "bad day," someone else in the world would jump to have, since I lead a relatively blessed life.

Reincarnation is interesting. I believe in it by default, just because there are a finite number of characteristics a person can have, and a finite way they can be reconfigured.

Oohhh Ayla, I didn't know you were another fallen catholic! After attending catholic school from age 2-18 and being forced to go to church every sunday until I left for college, I was done with those shenanigans.

I don't know that I believe in "hell on earth," but I think one of the reasons I'm skeptical about heaven/hell is because I think our notions of "good" and "bad" are subjective, and can only be defined by the context of a given person's life. How can heaven be all good, without any bad to make the good stand out? What I call a "bad day," someone else in the world would jump to have, since I lead a relatively blessed life.

Reincarnation is interesting. I believe in it by default, just because there are a finite number of characteristics a person can have, and a finite way they can be reconfigured.

Yep.. I'm one of those lol I had enough of it shoved down my throat also. I guess what I meant is a combination of what we've both said.. The hell on earth concept is what each person makes it. People create their own hell every day, and some are more enjoyable than others haha but as a worldly environment as a whole - yes I think this is hell.. Not individually, but collectively. I hate going to church all the time, btw.. Since I had to go to church two or three times a week lol

Yep.. I'm one of those lol I had enough of it shoved down my throat also. I guess what I meant is a combination of what we've both said.. The hell on earth concept is what each person makes it. People create their own hell every day, and some are more enjoyable than others haha but as a worldly environment as a whole - yes I think this is hell.. Not individually, but collectively. I hate going to church all the time, btw.. Since I had to go to church two or three times a week lol

I don't believe in heaven or hell but I believe in an afterlife- duh! This is me we're talking about. I've had my friend come to me in dreams before. Annnnd you guys know about my other "fun" experiences.

I don't believe in heaven or hell but I believe in an afterlife- duh! This is me we're talking about. I've had my friend come to me in dreams before. Annnnd you guys know about my other "fun" experiences.

Hmmm...well honestly I would love to believe in heaven/god/Jesus but I have a very difficult time wrapping my head around all the craziness in this world and then sit back and say "it's gods will"...or there's a higher power at work..the devil is responsible ...things like that just make no sense to me and I cannot find any positives in situations such as the Connecticut shootings. There's my rant...however...if there is a heaven then I think there should be a balance and a "hell" should also exist...I was raised Jewish and Catholic so my view of this topic has been skeptical to say the least. As one of my Jewish relatives would say...leave the day better then when you found it. I live my life as best I know how...and with all the different types of people in the world I would hope that if there is a true judgment day a specific religion choices does not determine who goes where...but the way one had chosen to honor their gift of life is what is truly measured

Hmmm...well honestly I would love to believe in heaven/god/Jesus but I have a very difficult time wrapping my head around all the craziness in this world and then sit back and say "it's gods will"...or there's a higher power at work..the devil is responsible ...things like that just make no sense to me and I cannot find any positives in situations such as the Connecticut shootings. There's my rant...however...if there is a heaven then I think there should be a balance and a "hell" should also exist...I was raised Jewish and Catholic so my view of this topic has been skeptical to say the least. As one of my Jewish relatives would say...leave the day better then when you found it. I live my life as best I know how...and with all the different types of people in the world I would hope that if there is a true judgment day a specific religion choices does not determine who goes where...but the way one had chosen to honor their gift of life is what is truly measured

I think there's a difference between afterlife and heaven/hell. I believe in good spirits and evil spirits and energy and all of that. But heaven and hell? Give me a break. The only one getting into heaven is ND

I think there's a difference between afterlife and heaven/hell. I believe in good spirits and evil spirits and energy and all of that. But heaven and hell? Give me a break. The only one getting into heaven is ND

Yes, I do believe in both. I was raised in a Christian home, always attended church/Sunday school/youth but when I was in grade 9 I drifted away from church. It wasn't until grade 12 that I made the choice to start attending church again and that is when I realized all the things I learnt all those years really do apply to my life and I made the choice to become a follower of Christ. That being said, I think the most important thing is to be a good person and to do things we all know are right. Having Christ in my life and home and in the center on my marriage is super important to me and Dan, but I also think that people can be wonderful people without being a Christian.

Yes, I do believe in both. I was raised in a Christian home, always attended church/Sunday school/youth but when I was in grade 9 I drifted away from church. It wasn't until grade 12 that I made the choice to start attending church again and that is when I realized all the things I learnt all those years really do apply to my life and I made the choice to become a follower of Christ. That being said, I think the most important thing is to be a good person and to do things we all know are right. Having Christ in my life and home and in the center on my marriage is super important to me and Dan, but I also think that people can be wonderful people without being a Christian.

pretty much everything Harrietstar said goes for me. I think religion is baloney and especially the whole idea of only getting into Heaven if you're "saved" is just ridiculous to me. Sorry if I offend anyone!

pretty much everything Harrietstar said goes for me. I think religion is baloney and especially the whole idea of only getting into Heaven if you're "saved" is just ridiculous to me. Sorry if I offend anyone!

I am an agnostic. I do believe that there is a form of heaven and a form of hell but i dont know what. A part of me believes in heaven for the sheer fact that almost all my family is dead and i would like to believe i will see them again. A part of me thinks we are living in hell now. We are faced with all these challenges in life and once we pass them we go to a greater place. I dont know about god. It was forced down my throat as a child.. But in my head if god was really here if he existed would all these horrid things have happened. Would the shooting in CT have happened. I tried putting my faith in "god" but everything got worse. I believe in spirits good and bad, as well as i dont believe we are the only life form in the universe.

I am an agnostic. I do believe that there is a form of heaven and a form of hell but i dont know what. A part of me believes in heaven for the sheer fact that almost all my family is dead and i would like to believe i will see them again. A part of me thinks we are living in hell now. We are faced with all these challenges in life and once we pass them we go to a greater place. I dont know about god. It was forced down my throat as a child.. But in my head if god was really here if he existed would all these horrid things have happened. Would the shooting in CT have happened. I tried putting my faith in "god" but everything got worse. I believe in spirits good and bad, as well as i dont believe we are the only life form in the universe.

I don't necessarily believe heaven or hell is a physical place but I do believe that once a soul reaches true enlightenment you will be put to rest. I've had too many experiences with entities and "ghosts" to believe that once you die you go to one place or another.

I don't necessarily believe heaven or hell is a physical place but I do believe that once a soul reaches true enlightenment you will be put to rest. I've had too many experiences with entities and "ghosts" to believe that once you die you go to one place or another.

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