Comments on: Your Source For The Best In BasketballMon, 14 Mar 2016 23:25:37 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1By: Danielhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-951882
Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:10:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-951882no agin
]]>By: Danielhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-951763
Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:17:43 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-951763goodgerefe.
]]>By: NBA in Chinahttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-933106
Sat, 30 May 2009 09:03:25 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-933106Yea I dont really think LeBron should be penalized for his strength…but at the same time he shouldn’t get the benefit of 95% of the calls. It really is getting ridiculous, embarrassing and painful to watch. I want to like LeBron, but this invisibility shield he gets from the officials really makes it hard to appreciate what he does. In comparison, have you seen how many times Hedo Turkoglu has driven to the rim, gotten hit and ended up with nothing…
]]>By: bill breedleyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-933034
Sat, 30 May 2009 04:27:13 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-933034without all the bailout calls and biased calls going bron’s way, no way he averages more than 35pts. Still a decent number, but the logical man knows 1/3 of the points he gets is care of David Stern.

can’t wait to see Dwight battling Pau and Bynum. It’s going to be epic

]]>By: Darksaberhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-933008
Sat, 30 May 2009 02:28:18 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-933008well BET, i guess they mean without all that containment, Bron would be averaging a 55-16-14.
]]>By: Antonhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-933000
Sat, 30 May 2009 02:14:06 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-933000GIVE THEM NOTHING
TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING!
At my mark, unleash hell.
]]>By: BETCATShttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932958
Sat, 30 May 2009 00:02:35 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932958“Z Posted: May.29 at 6:00 pm
Guys, Bron hasn’t been stopped by Orlando in this series. As much as people are tlking about Pietrus, Bron is giving him the business. If Cleveland’s shooters are hitting, they’ll win. If Cleveland shooters aren’t hitting, they’ll lose.” Exactly. Its funny how people think that Lebron has been contained. Just like with the Celtics last year, Lebron was dropping 30+ (including 47 in game 7) yet people claimed after the series that James Posey and Paul Pierce ‘stopped’ him.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 23:38:17 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932943If asking for balance in the officiating is my asking for a more difficult path, then so be it. But I simply am looking for a way for him to maintain his natural inclinations on his drives while allowing his opponents to contest those same drives. I dont want more fouls called on him or for his defenders to just be able to get away with one. I only want it to be the case that if hes able to be physical with players hes already bigger, quicker and stronger than, then they should be able to ‘defend’ themselves. I dont remember how exactly the rule changes went down with Shaq, but Id like to think there was some some forewarning, though this is the NBA were talking about so I suppose its nothing I should count on. And it has nothing to do with him being the best player in the league or not, it has to do with him being as Harlem World so aptly put it, the Shaq of wings.
]]>By: bill breedleyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932941
Fri, 29 May 2009 23:34:23 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932941dwight’s intelligence not solid? surely you jest. if NBA called this thing honestly an evenly, Dwight would dominate King Crab dribble and block his drive to the basket 5-6 times a game. Dwight hesitates knowing refs will bailout Lebron 99.9% of the time.

people whining about Dwight’s elbows swinging all over the place. there’s a reason he does it like shaq before him. maybe instead of being so fixated on the perimeter game all the time and believing the “CRAB STEP” is a legit move, people should take a closer look at what typically happens to dominant centers in the interior. Like shaq, dwight is getting abused in the inside being pulled and shoved in almost every play. Centers being so big and strong are always treated differently, a bit unfairly to be honest. Hence it can’t be blamed that frustration comes in and emotion will eventually cloud their judgement. I guess refs can’t call it the same way as they do with Lebron, where even breathing on him is a foul, because calling all the legit contact would mean pretty much fouling out half the opposing team. life ain’t just for big men, hence sometimes they need to penalize those guarding them with a wayward elbow every so often.

]]>By: Tommy Patronhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932926
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:51:25 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932926I do not feel Dwight’s intelligence is solid.
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932914
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:20:10 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932914I’ve said it before, no doubt about it, he’s the shaq of wings. Albeit with a better FT%. A foul is a foul. If you change them for him, you gotta reflect that with everybody.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932911
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:07:58 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932911Myles, you’re way off on this one. You of all people who’s always like ‘let him get 1 ‘ship before we start calling him King or Kang or whatever’. Now you’re essentially asking the refs to make it harder on him to get 1. You’ve said numerous times that you don’t even think he’s the best player in the L. WHY CHANGE THE RULES FOR SOMEONE WHO’S NOT DOMINATING HIS PEERS, THEN? What’s the threat? How is it a competitive disadvantage to everyone else if he hasn’t won anything and he’s not the best player in the L? Your argument is flawed.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932908
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:02:08 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932908What really happened yesterday is that Mo played like he did during the regular season. Orlando is too good of a team to be beat by Bron and Bron alone.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932906
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:01:41 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932906My beef there, Myles, is this: If the refs meet and up and decide to start calling a certain play or scenario differently (which, we all know, they do sometimes) Should they notify the player(s) who will be effected? Or maybe the coach(s)?
They can’t offically modify rules, but if they chage the way Bron’s drives are officiated without any notification it puts Lebron at a HUGE disadvantage. I sort of agree, in the sense that, some contact against Bron’s drives is unavoidable and at times, exactly what he’s looking for on those drives, but to not call fouls where fouls have been called all year without any warning gives the Cavs’ opponents and unneccesary advantage.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932904
Fri, 29 May 2009 22:00:28 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932904Guys, Bron hasn’t been stopped by Orlando in this series. As much as people are tlking about Pietrus, Bron is giving him the business. If Cleveland’s shooters are hitting, they’ll win. If Cleveland shooters aren’t hitting, they’ll lose.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932902
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:58:40 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932902Double teaming LeBron BEFORE the bounce is really dangerous because he is an adept and willing passer. + Boobie and Mo were feeling it. It’s effective to get the ball out of his hands but it often results in an uncontested jumper. / Allen, I think that was more an isolated play than anything. The long 2-point jumper is always available for the stars because crowding them too much is pretty much the same thing as giving them a clearance to the lane. They’ll burn the defender almost everytime.
]]>By: ClydeSayshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932898
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:49:10 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932898So, uh you’re SVG and you watch LBJ bull his way to the line 7 straight times, with single coverage. Yes, Lebron can and will pass, but don’t you double team him & make it a LITTLE tougher on him?

I mean, Lebron is unreal sometimes and he occasionally looks like an effortless shooter, but you’ve got to try something other than single coverage when you’re behind in a game.

]]>By: Allenphttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932872
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:28:39 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932872Damn, I was actually working and couldn’t really join in on this discussion.
Let me say everybody made some good points, and Ryan’s little comments were funny.
I agree with ciolk and Russ that Dwight should actively challenge Lebron when they meet up at the rim instead of passively holding his arms up and getting a foul. He shouldn’t kill Lebron, but he should go HARD for the block. He’s going to get the foul anyway.
I found something interesting about the last game. On on of his clearouts, Pietrus backed off Lebron and Bron hit a jumper. Reggie said that Pietrus has to keep crowding Bron and force him to the help. I’ve noticed that Orlando is actively encouraging Bron to drive instead of settling for jumpers, and are then collapsing their defense. I think that’s an interesting strategy since conventional wisdom is that you concede the jumper to Bron, not crowd him. Yet, while Bron is averaging ridiculous numbers, it seems like the Magic’s defense is having some real success.
Anybody else notice this?
]]>By: Myles Brownhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932867
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:24:04 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932867To say that its absolutely ridiculous to consider an alternative standard or modification for a player who essentially is so physically imposing that he changes the game is absolutely ridiculous.
]]>By: MooButterhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932859
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:17:43 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932859The whole arguement that Lebron shouldn’t get all the calls he gets because he’s bigger, faster, stronger than whoever’s guarding him is absolutely ridiculous. And no it’s not fair that rules have been changed to handicap Shaq because of his size and strength advantages. Under that same mindset let’s make some other new rules (tongue in cheek of course): 1) Yao is no longer allowed to jump because he is taller than everyone else on the court. 2) Tony Parkers speed has become too much of an advantage as well. From now on, he must wear ankle weights during games. 3) Lastly, body contact on Lebron James at the rim will no longer be called because he is too fast, strong, and can jump too high. (That way Howard wouldn’t have fouled out last night, despite moving into Lebron in the lane, at the rim, creating body contact as Lebron was jump carried him laterally away from Howard. p.s. Varejao was called for a similar foul on the other end. Howard wasn’t treated unfairly.)
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932851
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:05:53 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932851Yeah, but I don’t remember. I mean, I think that sh1t is funny. I’m definitely not trying to hate.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932849
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:02:24 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932849Bubblegoose?
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932848
Fri, 29 May 2009 21:01:50 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932848I believe I made the first comment on that post, ciolkstar.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932843
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:59:55 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932843Guantanamera?
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932842
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:58:44 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932842Oh yeah, I’d been meaning to ask. Is that really you in the “Patrick Chewing” Snickers commercial? Ewing says “Whatsup RYAN?” and:
that dude is wearing plaid + you are the Farmer / Farmers like plaid = Is that you?
]]>By: TADOnehttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932841
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:57:45 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932841Make sure to play the Wyclef song in the background, Jones.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932834
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:51:50 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932834Um, sure.
]]>By: The Promisehttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932833
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:51:33 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932833Well, just as I figured, the Cavs won game 5. But, they choked away a big first half lead, and at one point I thought the Magic were going to pull off the comeback and put them out in 5. But, as ciolkstar said, LeBron, at the end of a game, with his size, forces his way to rim and either dunks or gets fouled or does both. That makes him twice harder to guard, when hes 6 foot 8 and has the strength of an NBA center, but the speed and handle of an NBA point guard. I still believe though, that the Magic will close this thing out in 6 games, cause’ I just dont think LeBron’s supporting cast will play nearly as good at Orlando as they did last night, but, they definately will have a chance if Mo Willaims continue to play the way he did last night, the way hes capable of playing, they can push this to a 7th game, and anything can happen in a game 7. It will be very interesting to see what happens though. If the Cavs find a way to win game 6, I will go out on a limb and say they will pull off the comeback and take the series in 7.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:50:34 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932831Ryan’s a lot more jovial when the Cavs win. And by “jovial” I mean “present.” Get at him now, because if the Cavs lose Game Six you probably won’t hear from him again until November.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932828
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:47:39 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932828Doing my best to reflect the vibe of the room, ciolkstar.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932826
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:45:51 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932826You’re usually pretty funny, Farmer. But you just don’t have your best stuff today.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932825
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:45:39 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932825i’ll even go further and say that if bron was playing the 4, this discussion doesn’t happen. we would ‘expect’ him to be physically dominating and use his strength to score. we’re just not used of a wing applying those physical qualities to driving to the hole. it doesn’t fit the mold.
]]>By: TADOnehttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932824
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:45:19 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932824I agree with Ryan.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932823
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:43:43 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932823I can see it now: My grandkids on my lap, saying, “Papa, tell us again about the ’09 Conference Finals.” Me putting in my dentures and saying, “Well, kids, that Bill Spooner, I’ll never forget what he did in Game 5…”
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932820
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:43:11 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932820russ, that’s valid. but dwight is too valuable for them to do it himself. that’s essentially what mike brown is saying to his guys (it was mic’d). ‘foul dwight hard or let him dunk it but don’t give up the and1’. everybody would agree that there’s not much you can do to stop dwight without fouling him when he’s got good position. the novelty is that this applies to a wing now.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932819
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:22 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932819Rereading you comment I think we agree, Russ.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932818
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:42:20 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932818*believe, again. Too late in the day. I’m out boys, enjoy your weekends and this was a really enjoyable ball discussion. Good luck to all the Magic, Cavs, Nuggets and yes, even you happy go lucky Lakers fans. Monday should be a fun day around here if there’s a Game 7 on the schedule. Late.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932817
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:40:50 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932817I here you Russ, except I don’t think he should go specifically for hard fouls. But he shouldn’t be trying to AVOID fouls in situations that are almost always going to result in a foul, ie coming late across the lane to challenge at the rim. He should be going for the blocked shot, really hard, so if he misses it will result in FTs. Right now, he’s on the fence. Trying to challenge Bron’s drives but not trying to block the shot, purposefully foul, or take the charge.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932816
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:39:37 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932816There’s just no way that Dwight would get away with overzealous fouls against Lebron and not suffer a stiffer penalty then the Magic could afford right now. Let’s be real, if the Magic fu*k around and lose Game 6, does ANYONE beleive Lebron won’t be repping the East agin in the Finals? Come on.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932815
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:39:20 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932815myles, so not only do you want the defenders to not get called for fouls on bron that other weaker players would get… you also want the fouls to be called on him? i’ve rarely seen guys in position beating bron to a spot so where’s your offensive foul?
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932814
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:37:47 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932814Give the people what they want, is what I say.
]]>By: Russ Bengtsonhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932813
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:36:40 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932813My primary point is this: If Dwight’s gonna get called for fouls regardless, why not get his money’s worth? If you’re gonna get accused of some sh*t (and convicted for it), you may as well do some sh*t. Instead of trying to go up straight and risk an and-1, come down HARD and make sure that shot gets nowhere near the rim.
]]>By: Bryanhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932812
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:36:23 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932812I can agree with that myles.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932809
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:35:02 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932809I know from about 450 games or so first hand viewing experience that Dwyane is doing the same things, just to smaller defenders, night in and night out. It’s how he plays. He’s rarely on the recieving end of offensive foul calls cause he’s pretty slick with it nad he’s perfected the draw contact game. Lebrons’s are so overstate3d ’cause he’s so big. It’s hard to fault the dude for the way he get’s into the lane, I think it’s just because he’s able to do it at that size and really no one else, beside’s Magic, had the size and the ability to get into the lane with such ease, only Lebron is like Magic on HGH.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932808
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:34:12 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932808I don’t think he’s overrated per se… Nobody is saying that he’s the next Shaq. The scoring touch just isn’t there. it took him 4 years to crack 20 ppg. and a good physical center like perks still can make him seem like an after tought on the offensive end. However, 14 rbs and 3 blks are no joke.
]]>By: truthtellerhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932806
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:54 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932806Orlando in 6!
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932805
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:27 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932805My kid could hang the Refadamonth posters on his wall.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932804
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:05 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932804I can agree with you Myles in the sense that Bron is essentially gaming the system with some of these late game drives. He’s creating situations where the defense has to basically foul or get dunked on. But he didn’t write the rules. Its just like players who over utilize the pump fake to make a player leave thier feet before leasning in for the contact and hositing an awkward shot that has almost no chance of going in. “Creating contact” happens all over th eplace in the L. Its no different than when Wade summarily abused Erika Dampier in the Finals. Its just more pronounced. And its Lebron.
]]>By: Myles Brownhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932801
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:28:57 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932801Im not saying that anyone should be allowed to bring a bat, stun gun or brass knuckles on the court with them, but again, Shaq initially muscled his way past defenders and generally wasnt called for an offensive foul just as his defenders werent called for fighting back the same should be considered for Bron. Im not saying that he should be able to be fouled, Im just saying that if he can throw his shoulders and elbows around as he barrells his way to the rim and they dont call an offensive foul, then dont call a ticky tack defensive foul that hardly affects him if theyre trying to fight back.
]]>By: Bryanhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932798
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:26:50 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932798I mean that’s the type of basketball that makes tempers flare and had shaq swinging on brad miller.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932797
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:26:48 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932797Slam Presents: Refs! would go triple-platinum.
]]>By: Moosehttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932796
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:25:39 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932796Howard IS overrated. On all sides. But, he is too big, strong and athletic to not be great; he definitely has the potential if he decides to actually build a good post game.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932795
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:24:09 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932795also, i think that dwight is overrated defensively as far as blocking people that are coming straight at him. most of his blocks are from the weakside when he’s coming over to block someone else’s player. kinda like camby. it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to block bron cleanly on a drive. of all people, gortat has been doing it in this series.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932794
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:21:20 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932794Also, I think attacking the rim against the Magic is a fair tactic because it exploits their personnel the samae way that middle pick and rooll exploits Cleveland’s personnel. Dwight is literally the only guy on their team who protects the paint. Shard and Hedo give their team a huge edge on offense but since they are both allergic to the paint, Cleveland can get an advantage by attcaking the paint, and therefore attacking Dwight (who really isn’t that great at challenging shots w/o fouling) Its just strategy.
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]]>By: Bryanhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932792
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:19:10 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932792Why because lebron can’t be knocked to floor as easily as nate? That’s what I’m saying because bron is stronger you have to hit him harder to make it a foul? That doesn’t seem fair.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932789
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:16:50 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932789myles, i couldn’t disagree more. a foul is a foul. it doesn’t matter if it knocks you on your a– or not. a very good example of this, as pointed by jvg, was when danthay jones pushed kobe from behind with two hands. that would have been an automatic ejection and a one-game suspension if kobe had gotten hurt. you don’t call the ‘effect’ the foul has on someone but the foul itself. rules are meant to be as objective as possible. tony parker shouldn’t get more calls than players of his caliber because he ends up in the 5th row after every drive.
]]>By: Ryan Joneshttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932788
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:16:40 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932788Slam should do a special issue about officiating.
]]>By: Myles Brownhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932787
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:16:06 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932787Of course it is. But thats why I referenced the only other players in the Ls history thatId put on that slope, Wilt and Shaq. Everyone else are mere mortals and should be called accordingly.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932785
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:14:16 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932785Myles, I think that reasoning is an EXTREMELY slippery slope.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932784
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:13:58 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932784And that would be unfair to both of them too, regardless if their was any truth behind it.
]]>By: ciolkstarhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932783
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:13:19 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932783I think the issue is that lebron driving at full speed is literally IMPOSSIBLE to guard. And sorry, but Russ is just being foolish right now. The last two fouls on dwight last night are fouls the other way if its pietrus driving into Varejao/Big Z. Thats the way fouls are called in the NBA, if an offensive player is moving with the ball and a defender slides under him and makes contact with the body, whether or not his hands aree staright up (which is basically impossible when there’s hard body contact) its a foul on the defense. Its Dwight’s fault that he’s trying to challenge the most physically dynamic player in recent memory at the rim without trying to block the shot AND not get a foul called. Sorry dude, its juts not gonna happen.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:13:11 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932782*horrid
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932780
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:12:56 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932780Magic aren’t winning in these playoffs because they want it more than the opposition. They’re winning because they are more talented so far.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932778
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:11:21 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932778Look, we all know Shaq’s Lakers/Michael’s Bulls got the benefit of a ton of calls collectivley but none of us that saw all of them firsthand would never say they were underserving champs. If the Lakers or te Cavs were to win, besides their fanbases, there’d be a ton of people questioning the validity of that title due to the orrid reffing and the perceived favortism both of those squads get.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:11:17 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932777To me personally, a foul is a violation that advresely impedes a players shot or progress. Since different players are of different degrees of athleticism and skill sets, then its within reason to assume that a ‘foul’ on Nate Robinson is not exactly a ‘foul’ on LeBron because it affects them in different ways, no?
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932775
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:10:12 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932775I just don’t think the stars of today want to win badly enough. Not to the point where they will foul the sh*t out of the opposing superstar on a hard play to send a message. It doesn’t end there either. One of the things that separated Jordan, in my opinion was his competitiveness. All star players are competitive, but his was just on another level. He would have dunked on him moms to win. Or fouled the sh*t out of Juanita…(I’m talking about ON the court this time)
]]>By: Russ Bengtsonhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932773
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:09:06 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932773And for the record, I’d say the same damn thing if Dwight was playing Kobe or Dwyane. If you’re gonna get fouls called on you playing tentative and cautious, you may as well go all-out. ‘Cause you’re gonna foul out either way.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932772
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:08:27 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932772and if anything, it’s gortat and battie that should put the hammer down on bron. dwight has to stay in the game for the magic. how about trying to contest the shot w/o going body to body in the air with the player. dwight rarely fouls with his arms but he often makes contact with the body. fair or not that has always been a foul. oyou know what was NOT a foul? when he blocked lebron’s 3 from behing in game 3 or 4. that was a legitimate blow call that fouled him out.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932771
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:08:20 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932771Can i quickly interject that I heard the same sh*t about Dwyane in 2006 and it tainted his title win. I don’t think that’s 100% fair for either him, Lebron (if he was to win one) or anyone else that wins (won) a title with the benefit of ref’s calls at some point, cause all the good work Dwyane did, Lebron has done, etc. get’s overlooked unfairly.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:04:57 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932770No, it has to be Dwight making a hard play on the ball. If LeBron can drive full-bore into his chest and Dwight’s gonna get called for a foul for it, he has to make it count. Fine, ‘Bron was the MVP. Dwight was the damn defensive player of the year, that doesn’t count for anything? Dwight needs to make a stand. Not Gortat or Battie or Patrick freaking Ewing. Dwight. If LeBron is going to get all the leeway in the world to play the game his way, Dwight has to fight fire with fire and play HIS way. And if he fouls out or gets ejected doing it, so be it. At least everyone’ll know how things are. As if they didn’t already.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:04:12 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932769Also, maybe I’m a little souped on what is or isn’t possible with James athleticism BUT I’m waiting for that play where he comes down the middle and meets Dwight at the rim and goes over him. Symbolically, that will end the series. Prolly will never happen though, but f@k it, he should try – especially if they struggling.
]]>By: Zhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932767
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:02:52 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932767i understand your angle better now, myles. however, i don’t think it was right to change the interpretation of the rules for shaq then and i don’t think it’s right to do it for bron now. they’re bigger, they’re stronger, good for them. so be it. it’s not like the league is such at a competitive disadvantage that it warrants such measures. those players aren’t just big, they’re also effing skilled. if it was just a matter of being stronger than everybody, dwight would average shaq numbers back in his orlando days.
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932766
Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:25 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932766Blame the refs on no 90’s style head hunting. Guys scared they’ll get suspended for a game. No blood/no foul is no longer part of professional basketball. Damn shame.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:19 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932765i think pietrus got the short end a couple of times, but dwight, like a few of the folks posting today, doesn’t seem to realize that you can foul someone with your body. and on the other end, he’s throwing ferocious elbows and acting like it’s not intentional. none of this bothers me (okay, his look of grinning incredulity every time he gets whistled does), but it is showing me he’s not as squeaky clean as his pr makes him out to be
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:01:12 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932764Got it. This sh*t needs a Terminator X soundtrack behind it.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 20:00:17 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932763The only thing I can say about what myles said earlier about lebron getting an unfair advantage by getting superstar calls. Just because he’s stronger and can take contact better than other wing players doesn’t mean he should get less calls. People used to MUG shaq with no call because he was big enough to take it supposedly , so basically its like you have to flagrant foul lebron for him to get the call if we’re saying he’s strong enough to take it, that’s not fair either. Fouls should be called evenly , of course they never will be but if its a foul to hit nate robinson and put him down then it should be a foul for bron too whether or not he goes down.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:59:59 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932762Yeah, but Russ, can the Magic afford losing Dwight for a potential Game 7 if that type pf foul is called and reviewed by Stu and put’s him out for it? No they can’t obviously, so it’s got to be someone else making that “sacrifice”. Maybe Gortat or however his name is spelled?
]]>By: Russ Bengtsonhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932761
Fri, 29 May 2009 19:59:20 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932761And to clarify, I’m not talking about a two-handed shove in the back or a smack in the face, here. Nothing dirty. I’m talking a good, hard play on the ball that would make Chuck Daly proud. Some Jordan Rules ish. No and-1s allowed. Fight power with power.
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932760
Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:55 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932760Agree with E on that one. After Melo knocked Kobe on his ass, he spent 3 minutes asking if he was alright?!! This is the CONFERENCE FINALS!
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:56:43 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932758Then Dwight should get a flagrant 2. I’m dead serious. Better than continuously fouling out on some BS touch foul (or, in the case of Game Four, a BS non-touch foul). Headhunt. Draw blood. Get your money’s worth, Dwight. Bring the ’90s back. Especially if you’re up big in G6. If they’re gonna call it a foul anyway, make it a good one.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:56:25 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932756Because if he can muscle his ay to the basket time and time again the same way that Shaq could just back a player down with force, then someone should be allowed to be physicial to have a fighting chance. Its not penalizing him, he already has a clear advantage. If anything its a slight compensation for a league of overmatched defenders. Hes not AI or DWade who were quick yet relatively small and thusly affected more by fouls, hes a linebacker on rocketskates whos allowed to bowl over anything in his path without repercussion. Every great player who has transcended the rules has forced a new set to be applied to them from Wilt to Shaq, Bron is simply the first wing to warrant such considerations.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:53:06 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932752Z is making too much sense for a late Friday afternoon.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:52:05 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932751russ, in today’s nba, hitting someone as hard as you can is called a flagrant. 2, even. someone should do a recap of the fouls that were called when bron was driving to the hoop last night. then try to figure out if other superstars would have gotten those same exact calls, if the answer is yes, keep moving. does kobe foul out dwight on that late drive? does wade foul out dwight on that late drive?
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:51:13 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932749Good points, Russ and Z. For real, Dwight’s one of the few guys that could probably put Lebron on his ass if he chose to. It could be time for that. Between the Melo/Kobe lovefest and the Bron/Dwight one, it’s hard to think that any of these guys truly are “out for blood” to try and take a choke hold on their respective series if it means hurting their BFF’s feelings.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:48:32 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932747I agree with Russ. I’m out!
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:47:45 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932746i don’t believe in conspiracy theories and i don’t believe that the refs are that enamored with bron that they give him calls that kob, wade and every other superstars don’t get. coco, there is nothing that you’ve said that applies solely on bron. they all feel that they’re owes those calls. you’ve seen kobe grill the refs, you’ve seen wade do it, you’ve seen bron do it. / if you say that you’re not a fan of the superstar calls, i think that’s legit. if you say that you’re not a fan of the superstar calls on bron, well that’s another thing.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:47:32 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932745If I’m Dwight, and I KNOW I’m going to get called for a foul no matter WHAT I do when LeBron drives, I’m gonna hit him as hard as I can. Why foul out on touch fouls or contact initiated by the offensive player? Here’s hoping he goes out like Rick Mahorn in the seemingly inevitable Game Seven. (That said, I hope they TCoB in six.)
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:47:31 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932744Um yes, just step out of the way and give him an uncontested layup. That could be problematic for the Magic.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:45:38 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932742I know that Co Co, but you can’t tell me, either threw Dwight’s intelligence (which I think is pretty solid) and Van Jeremey’s complaints to the media and I’m sure his hysterical practice notes, that Dwight DOESN’T realize he’s in danger of picking up fouls trying to play Bron on those drives. Not saying he needs to clear the lane like an air traffic controller, but take a charge, go for the ball, many of Dwight’s call’s this series against Bron have been the floating to the side trying to get in Bron’s path, which someone pointed out earlier, technically, is a defensive foul.
]]>By: Harlem_Worldhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932741
Fri, 29 May 2009 19:42:35 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932741Every great wing player you can name has had the same ‘superstar’ call treatment. Doc, Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe. They all got it. I wouldn’t say, relative to what we’ve seen with DWade, that Bron’s calls are any more pronounced than those guys.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:41:06 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932739‘perhaps he has enough of an advantage where he doesnt need the ’superstar’ calls that his peers get’. how’s that not penalizing him because he’s stronger?
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:40:54 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932738To be fair Eboy, that was their strategy….. They wanted to foul Dwight.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:40:41 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932737Co-sign Allen too. If a dude is putting the onus on the officials to make calls by driving hard and drawing (or creating) contact there’s got to be some type of precedent instead of the no-call which is completely infuriating on most occasions.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:54 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932736I don’t think Lebron should be penalized for initiating contact anymore than any player is penalized.
There is an art to get foul calls.
Paul Pierce understands, Allen Iverson understood it. Tim Duncan, Parker and Manu are great at it.
Certain situations will get you a foul all the time.
The problem is that Lebron is almost always driving to the basket. Plus, he dominates the ball for his team.
Honestly, it makes sense that he shoots 20+ free throws because of how much he touches the ball and how often he’s going to the rack.
Y’all saw the game. The Cavs basically spent the fourth quarter isolating Lebron at teh free throw line and telling him to go get a bucket at the rim. Or pass to the open guy. That’s all they did the entire quarter. That’s going to result in a lot of contact and a lot of fouls.
Same holds true with Iverson and Wade when they shot free throws. I remember Ray Allen swearing the Bucks were gettiing jobbed by the refs because of how often Iverson as at the line.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:24 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932733Co Co, to be fair though, Z and Sideshow fouled out too and that’s 2/5th’s of Cleveland starters.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:18 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932732I’m not a fan of the Superstar calls at all(that could be because the Hawks don’t have a superstar) I don’t think you should be treated special just because of who you are. Especially not when the league is constantly trying to reassure us that the games are called fairly. It shouldn’t matter if you’re a rookie or a 12th man or a household name. The game needs to be officiated the same for everyone.
]]>By: Eboyhttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932731
Fri, 29 May 2009 19:36:26 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932731I don’t know if I’ve ever been in such complete agreement with Myles ever. Co-sign 100%, but I think an influx of much younger and not so gloryhound minded officials would also take away alot of the angst fans feel towards the chosen one(s) getting the benefit of the doubt and overexaggerated calls.
]]>By: Co Cohttp://www.slamonline.com/?p=34807/#comment-932730
Fri, 29 May 2009 19:34:03 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932730Plus, they fouled out the Magic’s best player on two real questionable calls against LeBron. One of them we all know Dwight didn’t touch him and the other one he initiated contact yet again he was rewarded with free throws and in the process sent Dwight to the bench. The point is, there’s more than one way to show a player preferential treatment and they always figure out a way to give it to Lebron.
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Fri, 29 May 2009 19:32:01 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=34807#comment-932728Furthermore, the superstar call, is no different to me than the rookie call or the late game call in that the status of the players involved and the situation are instantaneously considered before assessing blame. So I dont particularly mind when a star gets the benefit of the doubt in any given situation, but egregious violations of the rules just seem like an unfair advantage to any player who doesnt particularly need them. And that can refer to Kobes elbow, Dwyanes & Brons traveling or anything else of the sort. The rich dont need to get any richer.
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