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Mets Chat Room, Game #1: What’s up with Pedro?

Mets vs. Phillies. Game two of three. Winning both would be great. Winning one is essential.

Pedro Martinez is going in the first game, and I’m concerned about him. He downplays velocity, but let’s face it, he’s not throwing exceptionally hard. Sooner or later, it has to be on his mind. Definitely, it has to be an issue.

With three weeks remaining, Martinez’s spot in the rotation will come up at least four more times, and the Mets aren’t in position to throw away four starts.

Great first inning for Martinez. Smooth. Only ten pitches. When I covered the Yankees and they played Boston, their approach was to make Martinez run up his pitch count. I expect to see the Phillies try that philosophy also.-JD

Chili:
If there’s any one thing Rick Peterson said about pitching I agree with it’s this: “Velcoity will earn you a lot of stuffed animals at the County Fair, but it doesn’t automatically mean getting big league hitters out.”
Look how Moyer just got Mets hitters out:
1)Throwing off-speed pitches in locations where hitters can’t do much damage to them
2)Correctly positioning infielders and outfielders to play hitters to pull because…
3)When hitters fianlly get something off-speed and hittable, they’re often way ahead of pitches and severely pull them or foul them off.
When the Mets ripped Moyer for seven runs the last time, it was more an exception than the rule.

Annie Savoy,
Yes Manuel has done a good job straightening out the ship. I’ve seen the same trend with this team for three years now and I don’t have much faith that this team could do something special.

Chalk up a loss.
What a choke.
Two misplayed fly balls and a dumb decision to pitch to a No. 8 hitter with two outs a man on third with the pitcher up next lead to two runs, Pedro on an extra day of rest can’t get a fastball past Greg Dobbs and D-Wright once again does NOTHING with two outs and a man in scoring position.
Funny, earlier, there was an ad on SNY of a New York woman lamenting getting dumped on by a pigeon.
It’s exactly what the Phillies have been doing to us the last two years.

Annie,
this isn’t the 73 Mets where talking about, this is the 2007 worse collapse in baseball history Mets where talking about. I know it’s 2008 but it’s basically the same team. The core of the team is the same. This team when it counts just doesn’t get it done.

Gil – None – perhaps I shoud be quoting Ebby Calvin LaLoosh:
“This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.”

JD: That’s why he should retire after this year and not even deal with a minor league contract situation.
The way he’s going, IF the Mets make the post-season, would you really even want him in the rotation, much less on the roster?
IF we make the playoffs, I’d leave Pedro off the roster and allow him to make up something about an injury to preserve his pride. My rotation would be Johan, Pelfrey and Oliver Perez and throw EVERYONE left in the bullpen. With Maine probably done for the year, we’re done to three reliable starters.

agee: A three-man rotation in the post-season would definitely work in a best-of-five series and in a best-of-seven, all that would have to happen is to abandon tradition and think outside the proverbial box. Here’s a hypothetical:
GM 1 – Perez
GM 2 – Pelfrey
GM 3 – Santana
GM 4 – Shared between Stokes/Figueroa/Schoeneweis
GM 5 – Perez
GM 6- Pelfrey
GM 7 – Santana

Annie: Yes, it’s awful that Pedro’s dad died.
Should that be taken into consideration at contract time?
Hell no.
Any contractual obligation the Mets have to Pedro ends after this season.
Shake hands with Pedro, tell him thanks and best of luck.
It’s a business, not a personal decision.

Maybe we can’t see them using a committee because no other team has ever tried it.
Why not try a new idea?
Can it be any worse than an injured John Maine and an over-the-hill Pedro?
I’d take my chances on the committee.

Wow,
The Mets haven’t score a run yet in this series. That is as bad as it gets. This is another collapse. What is the odds they get shutout tonight against Hamels? Where is this teams heart and soul? Does the Mets have any pride? How can you let your division rival come in to your ball park and throw scoreless inning after scoreless inning? The Phillies pitching staff isn’t that good. It’s more like the Mets are a bunch of chokers. This is why this team will go no where. It will be another crushing september for us met fans.

Agee: Sure. The wild card is there. But, if you start thinking that now when you’re still leading the division (barely), it breeds negative thinking. And, I can’t help but wonder how much last September is starting to creep into their mindset.-JD

JD- yea but they started it off by sweeping the second best team in the national league one the road, personally the only thing clouding their mindset is the phillies. i think after this series they’ll get hot again, lets just hope its not too late.

I just got home. Lucky me. Missed a Pedro bombng I guess. This is pretty amazing. Just about all the posters from the Lower Hudson rag have moved over here. Three straight doubles. Did we trade Heilmann to the Phillies? Can’t be, this guy’s a lefty; looks like a poor man’s Schoeneweis.

Hey Gil: Went to the old site. Thanks for plugging the late great Chiti as one to blog with over here. But you left out my good new buddy Sadecki!!!!!! Anyway, your post is still there. I guess they have to keep it up since its the only post for the day!!! And I guess that pitcher wasn’t Heilmann. Heilmann would have either walked Delgado or given up a HR.

tomg, Why dont you stop posting under agee and your other name? You said you would stop it under lohud blog. It makes you look pretty stupid to post pro mets and anti mets using two different names. If you think the mets suck then just say it, dont cover your bets by using two names.