==I am amazed how the media picks stuff up and then makes an issue out of it. I have heard her say this at least twice before the media caught on to it. Personally I don't believe it is a big deal. Before we go throwing stones at her I think we need to find out what she means. Each time she repeats that line I believe it is in the context of race and gender in America.

Then again, I don't support Obama so I don't really care what his wife thinks.

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I agree with Martin. I'd like to see the entire context. However, as much as I have been frustrated with my country, I have at times also been proud to be an American. But I have met a number of people who cannot say that. So why would it surprise us if Michelle Obama has had a contempt for this nation for 40 plus years and suddenly has turned from it (that's the inference)? If she feels that way, why be surprised? If she feels that way, I know she isn't alone. I'm also sure that Clinton will use this against Obama if she can.

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I agree with Martin. I'd like to see the entire context. However, as much as I have been frustrated with my country, I have at times also been proud to be an American. But I have met a number of people who cannot say that. So why would it surprise us if Michelle Obama has had a contempt for this nation for 40 plus years and suddenly has turned from it (that's the inference)? If she feels that way, why be surprised? If she feels that way, I know she isn't alone. I'm also sure that Clinton will use this against Obama if she can.

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Clinton or McCain did not say it, she did. Why should it not be in the media. If one of the wives or husbands of the other canidates said it, they would put it in the news. She must not be trying to hide it, or she would not keep saying it. So what is the "beef" if the media pulishes it. They are just putting her words in the news. Bid deal.

The fact that you and others feel it necessary to take up for her, says volumes, to the rest of us.

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I can't say that this is the first time that I am proud of these United States; however, with the success of Barack Obama's presidential campaign I can say that I do feel better about these United States, especially after the past few years of the incompetence of the Bush administration.

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"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made meproud." (Emphasis mine.)

It is clear what she is saying she is really proud of for the first time in her adult life - people rallying together to move our country forward. Her adult life - after college - began in the late 1980s, I think. Therefore, it is perhaps a reference to the Bush/Clinton/Bush dynasty of the past twenty years and the stagnation that the average working people in this country have experienced during that time frame.

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The fact that you and others feel it necessary to take up for her, says volumes, to the rest of us.

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==Other than Ken, I don't know that anyone else in this thread is an Obama supporter. I am certainly not trying to defend her and neither was TomVols. We are trying to add some context, to put things in perspective. It is easy, in politics, to grab hold of statements or votes a person made and wave them around as if it proves something. More often then not, however, such a practice only ends up mudding the waters because it takes statements or votes out of context or the reason the person made the statement or vote is ignored. I believe in being fair to everyone and trying my best to make sure I have a full understanding of their position or statement before I come out against them. If I am going to come out against a person I want to be careful to make sure that what I am saying is fair. That is, that what I am saying is a truthful representation of that person's position and/or vote.

So this is not a pro-Obama defense. This is a defense of being careful.

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==Other than Ken, I don't know that anyone else in this thread is an Obama supporter. I am certainly not trying to defend her and neither was TomVols. We are trying to add some context, to put things in perspective. It is easy, in politics, to grab hold of statements or votes a person made and wave them around as if it proves something. More often then not, however, such a practice only ends up mudding the waters because it takes statements or votes out of context or the reason the person made the statement or vote is ignored. I believe in being fair to everyone and trying my best to make sure I have a full understanding of their position or statement before I come out against them. If I am going to come out against a person I want to be careful to make sure that what I am saying is fair. That is, that what I am saying is a truthful representation of that person's position and/or vote.

So this is not a pro-Obama defense. This is a defense of being careful.

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The right-wing bashed and bashed on Hillary Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and it made not one bit of difference. Americans vote for a candidate, not the candidate's wife. Therefore, attacking Michelle Obama won't do any good for either Hillary Clinton or the right-wingers.

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The right-wing bashed and bashed on Hillary Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and it made not one bit of difference. Americans vote for a candidate, not the candidate's wife. Therefore, attacking Michelle Obama won't do any good for either Hillary Clinton or the right-wingers.

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If she is going to make stump speeches everyday for Obama, then she becomes "open season", that is just plain old politics. It goes both ways or maybe you didn't hear all the comments on Bill this week?

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The right-wing bashed and bashed on Hillary Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and it made not one bit of difference. Americans vote for a candidate, not the candidate's wife. Therefore, attacking Michelle Obama won't do any good for either Hillary Clinton or the right-wingers.

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Ok, I'm going to take a theological spin on a political issue: Do we still believe that God is the One who eventually decides who's going to sit in the White House?

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Yes, God is in control now and at all times.

It's hard to see sometimes that we actually believe it. I fall into that catergory sometimes. We stand up on our soapbox and shout the sky is falling the sky is falling... At times, we lose focus that God is in control.

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It's hard to see sometimes that we actually believe it. I fall into that catergory sometimes. We stand up on our soapbox and shout the sky is falling the sky is falling... At times, we lose focus that God is in control.

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Don't get me wrong. I still believe we need to vote for the candidate who best reflect our Christian values.

But here's the grind: we don't know how everyone else is going to vote, so next thing you know a person ends up in the White House who doesn't reflect our Christian values.

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