New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter - Where Is The Plane?

I'm wondering how you know this for sure? How could these people who I assume did not work for these airlines get flight load
information?

This is, I admit, an assumption. However, if you want to dig deeper (maybe via FOIA requests) the names of the hijackers would (if they booked with
those same names previously) have been investivgated in the airline's records from weeks and months before 9/11.

So, NO.....they (hijackers) did not have the airline company's own internal passenger traffic records (which, for competitive reasons, are not
usually broadcasted).

But, you realize.....before 9/11, a person could go past security without a Boarding Pass.....you DO recall this, right?

All one would need to do is case flights, from the Gate departure area....and merely count the people getting on-board. They could have bought
tickets of course, too......and flown the flights, to count that way.....THAT is what I meant by "casing". It has another term....."research".

But, as already pointed out.....the light passenger loads are irrelevant, in the longer view, of the outcome. OTHER airplane hijackings have
historically occurred with fairly full airplanes. Just do the research.

BTW....there is another highly-publicized boondoggle that is latched onto by many in the so-called "truther movement", and it relates,to a bit of
confusion that surrounds United 93. NO "confusion" for those of us more educated on the details...but, it lingers as a "meme" out there.....it is
the confusion at Cleveland, and it is about Delta Flight 1989.

And.....while I can't find the correct "key words" to search, somewhere on the Internet is a site that has the number of passengers on DAL
1989.....ALSO form Boston to Los Angeles (Just like AAL 11 and UAL 175).

The number of passengers on THAT flight was also very low......

Search, and perhaps you will find what I saw once....still searching......(Or just ask Delta!!)

First of all, this isn't a new footage, it's been there for a long time. It's also been debunked, you need to look at it carefully. It isn't
easy to see a fast object, in these frames ...

What is more interresting, is the woman's reaction ... how she talks. If it is genuine, it sure does give reason to inspect this. This isn't the
first video or footage, that show that people had foreknowledge of what was to come, there are many out there, that do. Footages of people saying the
towers needed to be demolished, talking about their demolition, even before the fact, etc.

By all means, go by the aerospace engineers on this one ... but remember, they are engineers and not physicists.

First of all, what is suspect is that you find a single small piece of an engine, that is made to sustain enormous heat. On every crash site in
history, you find multiple large parts of the engines. Except here, you find the plane "vapourized". Which is physically impossible ...

I'm not gooing to waste my time argueing with you, except to throw out the obvious to you.

If you really think, that a plane can vapourize ... you should start taking some brain stabilizing drugs, seriously speaking. Because, you are living
in la-la land. You are basically being a religious fanatic, who is listening to his priest talking about miracles and god almighty.

Because what you are talking about, is nothing short of a miracle ... vapourisation of titanium alloys, and heat sustaining alloys, that are to
withstand heat that is several factors that of a burning kerosine.

I don't care what you believe, if you wanna believe go to church, pray to your allah ... and by all means, go ahead and blow yourself up in the name
of your allah. The rest of us, like me, deal with facts ... and we have the dignity and character, to stand by our search for the truth, and we do
not get side tracked by threats, intimitation on our lives, and livelyhood. And make no mistake, WE do live under a constant threat, by government
officials wherever we are, that threaten our livelyhood on daily basis, because we do not fall in line with the official truth. And this fact, above
all other facts, tells me that by doubting the official 9/11 story, we are on the right track.

So if you want to make a difference, throw away your religion and search for the truth ... until you lay down that official miracle story, of paper
being thrown out of steel buildings and surviving fire, and titanium alloys being vapourised in a smoke of kerosine ... you can simply go home to your
la la land.

Originally posted by ProudBird
SIGH.....@2:15...upper right corner.
THAT is United 175.
Watch it again.

If this was a UFO video I bet you would be the first to call it a bird or dirt on the lens

Say listen... you claim your a pilot, right?

What do you think of these guys? I see some impressive names on that list

Pilots for Truth about 9/11

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We
are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of
that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United
States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

We stand with the numerous other growing organizations of Firefighters, Medical Professionals, Lawyers, Scholars, Military Officers, Veterans,
Religious and Political Leaders, along side Survivors, family members of the victims -- family members of soldiers who have made the ultimate
sacrifice -- including the many Ground Zero workers who are now ill or have passed away, when we ask for a true, new independent investigation into
the events of 9/11. We do not accept the 9/11 Commission Report and/or "hypothesis" as a satisfactory explanation for the sacrifice every American
has made and continues to make -- some more than others.

I find it frustrating that peoples imaginations get away from them when the truth is complicated enough, You don't see the plane because it is
approaching from an 11 to 5 o'clock angle. None of the official story adds up. Those buildings were definitely not brought down in the manner we are
told they were and there was far more at play here than just plane collisions and falling towers. But to question the existence of two planes in the
first place makes it laughably easy for TPTB to make us all look like morons.

So scale it down. Try throwing...oh say an oil drum full of petrol (gasoline/kerosene) at a steel reinforced brick wall as hard as you can, while
igniting the fuel and see what the effects are. Scale it down even further if you will. A cola can full of same fuel at a brick....who comes off
worse? Hell if you wanna get freaky, try a block of ice on a steel plate like the Titanic was made from. Get my drift? Fake, fake, fake...

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on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typo

edit on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typos again...

You cant scale material analysis down, it doesn't work that way (which is a very basic rule).

Can't scale analysis down?....a basic rule?...Do tell, a basic rule of what and who says?

Buddy or possibly Budette
You could in answer to the question at hand by posting such, which is totally incomprehensible and completely inapplicaple regarding this debate, try
to sway the average reader here who are generally non technical folks, around to agree with your point of view...

Or, you could fill your wood stove with a nice load of fine hardwood, and pour in a goodly amount of kerosene, and then you could throw in a match and
sit back with your honey and enjoy a fine blaze in that hearth....
Millions of people do that day after day after day....

Also in the absence of the courage it takes to hold a short little match to the kerosene, you could roll up the paper that arguement was printed on,
and light one end of it, and hold the other end, so that while playing with fire, you don't get burned....

As fine an attempt at debating as it is, it is just plain over the average persons head...and i don't think NIST or the 911 commision which had so
many of its members repudiate its own findings, ever relied upon it either.
It certainly doesn't negate the witness accounts of the underground explosions heard and felt by so many pre impact.

Space beams would be a good example of a truther arguement that is comparable ...
I suppose both arquements cancel earch other out and should be removed from the field of play.

At some point reality has to be referred to.

It is a possiblity that the video in the OP is slightly fraudulent...some people will resort to any lengths to win an arguement...but eventually
reality will set in and such tactics may backfire on the perpetrator of its creation.

I say perpetrator because either way MURDER was committed...and much more MURDER was comitted based on this event...and by the looks of things there
is more MURDER to come as well.

Now the fine people who claim they killed Bin laden, ( who they claim commited this atrocity, athough only Israelis were arrested and charged) and who
claim they buried his body at sea, may have been caught lying yet again.
After the famous photo of them watching the event on TV was proven fake...Now THIS!

They are supporters of the OS, and THEY NEVER seem to be telling the truth. This is very discrediting to other fine people who support the OS
too....
It is hard not to tar all supporters of the OS with the same brush when you see such false hoods time after time after time.

I wouldn't put it past these repeat offenders to post a doctored video like the one we are examining in the OP, which might be in an attempt to
discredit the truth movement.....It isn't like they haven't been caught using this tactic before...

I mention this because Osama is supposed to have masterminded this whole event including the stand down of Norad, and yet he was NEVER charged for
it...one wonders why we even have the forum of a court of law at all if jourisprudence isn't to be called upon in a matter of such a GRAVE an import
as this is.

On the other hand maybe dead Osama edited this video while in his cave, or while hanging out down the street from the whole military industrial
complex in the US's ally in the war on terror, Pakistan

truthers getting nowhere?
well that appears to be slightly inaccurate...

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll
Truth Movement has the huge majority of opinion
How will the Bush Cabal react?

The average reader has no real way to determine which photo is "photoshopped"
Regardless Zargon illustrated quite well the ease with which one of those drones could be camoed up to fool witnesses...into thinking it was what the
photo Zargon posted shows it gussied up to be.

Was later corrected yet the lunatic fringe contnues with the original incorrect version - same as the story that
United 93 landed in Cleveland, was incorrect report and soon corrected , but there are those who persist

Confusion was over translating Arabic names to English and confusion over those with simlar name

You probably won't hear about the key differences between the alleged hijackers and the individuals who came forward after 9/11, either. The
pilot Waleed al-Shehri who came forward after 9/11 has a different name to the hijacker, for instance. The Salem al-Hazmi who appeared in the press
post the attacks is 26, the hijacker was 21.

We’ve carried the full report, executive summary and main findings and, as part of the recent fifth anniversary coverage, a detailed guide to
what’s known about what happened on the day. But conspiracy theories have persisted. The confusion over names and identities we reported back in
2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names.

In an effort to make this clearer, we have made one small change to the original story. Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the
words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains
as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time.

We recently asked the FBI for a statement, and this is, as things stand, the closest thing we have to a definitive view: The FBI is confident that it
has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by
the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the
issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers. www.bbc.co.uk...
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..Saudi Arabia acknowledged for the first time that 15 of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers were Saudi citizens...
Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior
Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."
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