But unlike many other private healthcare companies in the US, Kaiser provides a complete model of integrated pre-paid insurance along with healthcare which is supposedly provided free at the point of need.

This is a system much like our own NHS but with three major differences – Kaiser’s healthcare provision is much more expensive than the NHS, the healthcare provision side is run for profit and unlike the NHS its cover isn’t comprehensive – it only covers those people who are in work.

Despite that, Secretary of State for Health Jeremy Hunt seems to love Kaiser. He and other ministers have personally visited the company at its California headquarters – several times in fact:

And Kaiser’s own website lists other recent visitors from the UK, including many NHS hospitals and NHS trusts as well as HM Treasury and the Ministry of Health itself (click to enlarge):

We have already seen that US firms are looking to capitalise as the NHS becomes increasingly privatised, including Kaiser Permanente Foundation‘s senior vice president Hal Wolf who has openly called for the NHS to become “more like Kaiser Permanente“.

Alarmingly, Theresa May has specifically refused to guarantee she will not open up the NHS to US firms in a post-Brexit trade deal across the Atlantic.

Understanding the plans to replace the NHS with the Kaiser Permanente system explains why there has been a recent speeding up of the ongoing marketisation and privatisation of the NHS.

It also explains why the Tories were so desperate to push through their disastrous NHS reforms in the first place. A central plank of the NHS reforms was the formation of Clinical Commissioning Groups – which were openly based on Kaiser’s Permanente Medical Groups and which also happen to be a central plank of Kaiser’s healthcare system.

And understanding the plans to replace the NHS across England with the Kaiser Permanente system goes a long way to explaining why Theresa May has done nothing to resolve the worsening NHS crisis, which she is gambling will only make the public more keen to see changes to a system that is being deliberately broken.

If we don’t spread the word about what the Tories are doing, we can say goodbye to the NHS in England and hello to Kaiser Permanente. Permanently.

Two questions: 1. Was the source of this story the voices in your head? 2.Are you another sock puppet account like @rachael_swindon, @namechangegirl and @skwawkbox Steve? Anyhow we’ll know soon enough who the person behind those accounts is. Cheerio Mr.Walker :3

Sooner the Conservative party are out of power the better I like it .I know that health care is expensive so we need to raise taxes and most fair minded people agree and cut tax loop holes for the rich and famous if I was the Chancellor I would be taxing those with the highest earnings at 60% and if the didn’t like it go elsewhere I’d also want far greater accountability on MP’S salary and how many directorships they have and that should be taxed separately.

a private health company in a country where literally millions of men women and children have no health cover whatsoever……and the UK is considering big time to bring such a company over here…… I feel sick……. such politicians and the like should be ashamed……

“Thanks for letting me know about rachel swindon and namechangegirl”
Rachael’s a bloke, just so you know poppet. Remember on the 9th of June it’s down not across, the doc’s find it awfully tricky to stitch to repair the injury when it’s done that way or you could do the NHS a favour and just take a running jump from Beachy Head. And take that awful woman abbott with you thankies ❤

Bullying and encouragement to commit suicide. Reminds me of this story:

“Ben Harris-Quinney, chair of rightwing thinktank the Bow Group, who gave evidence to the inquiry, said: “It would appear from the report that CCHQ officials were happy to overlook Mark Clarke’s track record and behaviour because he was able to deliver positive campaigning results using nefarious tactics.”

This needs to be spread far and wide. Treachery and corruption of the worst kind. All individuals who have been on this fact finding jolly, if proven. should be drummed out and investigated for misconduct in public office. It is a collective conspiracy to defraud all UK citizens.
Well done Tom

Amazing ain’t it, we are a European country- Russia is nearer to America than we are ; YET we – our leaders are obsessed with copying a way of life that has little relevance to our own;
Why are ‘they’ NOT looking at er – Scandinavia etc;
George Orwell thought it was to do with language – we are too lazy to learn – though the Scandivavians all learn English !;
Switch on the radio – LBC especiallty- and it’s yak yak about Trump – Wots going on ?

Surely such a proposal must be more expensive that the current NHS funding system as they have to add profit onto their costs and I expect their profit requirement will be significant so where will they add value?

They could do worse than implementation of a Kaiser model.it is a not for profit HMO begun in Ca to care fore employees of various kaiser companies and they have provided me with very good medical care !

The reasons for the majority of privatisations is to reduce the wages and conditions of the workers while increasing the money the company directors and chif execs get. At no point is it improving the lot of the general public who are just the tools to give the rich more money. The UK health system is one of the cheapest in the world, the evidence for this can be seen in the basic fact thet travel and holiday insurance including the USA is more than anywhere else in the world!

It is disgusting that immigration to this level has been allowed thanks to Mr.T.Blair.Some have paid into system all their lives and immigration has helped to drain us.I will support Mrs T.May as I do like her but I knew what Iwas voting for Out of EU and single market if with free movement. I do not know enough about the so called new system that may replace NHS but like me some have paid all their lives..not for foreign countries to take advantage of us.

It is disgusting that immigration to this level has been allowed thanks to Mr.T.Blair.Some have paid into system all their lives and immigration has helped to drain us.I will support Mrs T.May as I do like her but I knew what Iwas voting for Out of EU and single market if with free movement. I do not know enough about the so called new system that may replace NHS but like me some have paid all their lives..not for foreign countries to take advantage of us.

This is typical of a government that has done nothing but betray the general public which it claims to represent. Hopefully, the people of the UK will be wise enough to vote them out this time.
With the internet and mobile network it would seem to me that it is time to consider a different method of debate and passing of legislation that would involve active public opinion so that the people of the UK are truly represented and not subjected to any elected parties corrupt control. In other words a new type of government that can’t go against public opinion.

We should never forget the Liberal Democrats role in the Health and Social Care Bill. They didn’t merely enable the Tories, if memory serves the CCGs were there contribution to the proceedings. We should remember this when they try to pass themselves off as ‘progressives’. The only progress they genuinely care about is the unending ‘progress’ of the market, public be damned. Now they are mobilising to cut Labour off at the knees, ably assisted by many a narcisistic New Labour grandee and a gaggle of useful idiots too blinded by the trauma of loosing the referendum. They’ll let the Tories in the back door, they might even hand the LibDems their favourite roll as king makers. Then the bastards will unite in shafting us all and selling off our NHS.

@Beryl Fosterk – you do understand that immigration rose massively under the Tories. Far above the levels it was at under the previous Labour administration don’t you?

If you vote Tory it means you hate my wife and every other disabled person in the country. You will be voting to have them systematically attacked in a attempt to kill them off. You will be making this choice freely and cannot deny knowledge of the consequences of your actions, because you have been informed of them before the fact. If you vote for them I, along with tens of thousands more, will hate you eternally and ultimately hope that one day you too will become disabled through a misfortunate accident and suffer at the hands of the people you helped to install, just so that you can experience the full horror of a life-limiting condition under a Tory government.

If you think Tom’s blog sounds like fantasy, here is think tank Health Foundation’s blog on the same subject talking about politicians’ and senior Whitehall mandarins’ love affair with Kaiser from the point of view of the establishment. Simon Stevens, CEO of NHS England, has already introduced the first Kaiser-style Accountable Care systems, designed to be turned into Accountable Care Organisations. This change isn’t the future. It is now.http://www.health.org.uk/blog/meeting-challenge-population-health-what-we-can-learn-kaiser-permanente

Some Tory Troll comments, but do note the comments from
anubeon at 9:54 pm on April 24, 2017
Dirk Minter Lee at 3:40 am on April 25, 2017
tagster01 at 5:48 am on April 25, 2017
lallygag26 at 6:20 am on April 25, 2017
The Lib Dems must be repeatedly, publicly, very loudly and very often indicted for enabling this destruction of OUR NHS .
What mind-set do the politicians have when they say ‘free at the point of delivery’?
Do they think we’re idiots? They might be right!
Search for what Mark Britnell said to an APAC conference in New York in Oct 2010, ie he spoke of the private sector opportunities presented by the UK’s health reforms:
“The NHS will be shown no mercy and the best time to take advantage of this will be in the next couple of years,” he advised the attending companies.
Britnell was speaking a year into his job at KPMG, which he joined from the Dept of Health where he was DG i/c Commissioning. Britnell was the architect of what we see today: the privatisation of commissioning. This courtesy of http://www.spinwatch.org . AND “In future, The NHS will be a state insurance provider not a state deliverer” – c/o The Observer, 15 May 2011, “David Cameron’s adviser says health reform is a chance to make big profits”
Our future in the UK under the Tories is utterly dire!
A thought came to me that a Tory MP will set up a cloth-cap manufacturing company. Cloth-caps will be free at point of delivery and will enable regular exercise when your masters go by.
But seriously, everybody must spread the word as to how grim the future will be under Tories – it could be for ever if they win this one !

It was also New Labour’s plan to replace the NHS with the Kaiser Permanente system – they set up Kaiser Permanente pilots in various parts of England, including Torbay where the resulting S Devon Integrated Care Organisation recently went belly up. The Coalition and now Tory governments just continued the New Labour direction of travel. http://www.energyroyd.org.uk/archives/12788

Sybil Gowans.
There are no plans to follow this route in Scotland.
However. The amount of our own money that WM deigns to return to us in the form of Barnett, including that used to fund our NHS, is calculated as a percentage of spending in England. If England’s NHS goes…

I predicted this would happen years ago. NHS was a convenient Quango to do the tories dirty. Its a very basic managerial technique. Shifting blame is one of the benefits but the primary reason for NHS England is to be the voicepiece for government policies minus the expectation of answering the questions. This has been the role of NHS England. Likewise the other quangos , effectively voice pieces and sources of blame at which the public can direct their anger. Hunt is the next to go after the NHS england who will each blame each other. This leaves May untouched so that the USA can cherry pick the NHS and public sector services. Remember that there is a way to avoid accountability. Avoid answering Questions and you can fool the public and horsethief minded tories have used this as a means of controlling the supply of services to UK people and supply of public services for private companies to compete for during franchise bids.
When a public service is privatised or partially privatised a ‘ gravy train’ is created and those on this train will never want to leave it.
Stupid or greedy politicians fail to see the link between these and violence and wars.
So expect the spanish cold war after the next election. Gibraltar will be blamed but spanish politicians will be in competition for sovereignty with UK. This will now be supported by other EU countries and tories be the cause of it all.

Nothing better than the American system so that those dieing from cancer etc like my mum, can worry about how they will pay for treatment. Hey it takes their mind off of dying, right. I wonder how many people in the UK realise that in the US you don’t jus t book in for your appointment, you have to sit in front of a stranger while they ask you how much you can pay. My mum put $50.00 on her credit card every time the doctors or hospital asked her how much she could pay. She was poor, only had a pension and her last months of life were worrying how my dad (with dementia) would be able to pay the credit card debt. Shameful system, we don’t want this in the U.K. however I am afraid that it is probably too late…

I too am terrified at the prospect of a new TTIP opening up the UK health service to these large companies. However what I would say is that the Kaiser model is a good model of integrated care and that many of the visitors will have been looking for opportunities to use the Kaiser approach to improve NHS organisations and approaches to integration around stuff like care navigation, patient advocacy and care coordination.

A friend from the U.S.A. wrote, ” I used to work for KP, from 2002 – 10. Up till the mid-2000s, a point of pride that was useful to us researchers was the equal access to care across membership. Around 2004, competition of cheap plans caused KP to promote plans with deductibles, and that ended it. People were offered cheap plans with high deductibles, and went into heavy debt like anywhere else when catastrophe struck. The wishful thinking was that healthy people, young people, would go for the high deductible plans, but in fact most of them were simply poor people – who weren’t health to begin with, and of course became even poorer. All this did great things for KP’s bottom line (including the non-profit side – non-profit in the US is nothing more than a tax scam anymore), and the execs took it even further with staff reductions and automation. This was once an institution to be proud of; now it’s no more than a reflection of the broken US medical care system.”

Just watch the Great British Public declare they would pay any tax to keep the NHS, and then vote Tory in full knowledge that this will kill it off. This has been the pattern since Thatcher. Nothing better illustrates the hypocrisy, selfishness and callousness of the British voter – as does their assumption that a real leader would use nuclear weapons pre-emptively. And their hostility to overseas aid. And to refugees. And to immigrants. The list is endless.

I don’t know where you are Valerie but in the UK if the NHS gets the funding it needs you will. Don’t vote Tory that’s all. In terms of an integrated model of care he should get better healthcare. What we’re being sold at the moment is an underfunded service carrying the burden of austerity in other services. They are hiding the cuts within integrated health and social care programmes which are doomed to failure because they are unrealistic and underfunded. But the principles of integration in the model are good.

So to clarify I am just suggesting there are other reasons people can be interested in this other than replicating the financial model.

The NHS is the jewel in our crown. It protects the most vulnerable, working class and middle class providing a non discriminate service. To vote Tory in effect means you don’t care about people in need. Imagine turning up in need of serious medical intervention for a loved family member only to be refused because your credit card is at its limit or you have been made redundant and are jobless. Is that what we really want. Be very careful what you vote for what goes around comes around. One day you might be that person in need

I’m not a fan of the current Tory leadership. However, I think there is a mixture of fact and fantasy in this report. Drawing conclusions based on fantasy! Public sector should be encouraged to learn from private enterprise for ideas on improving efficiency and services. They don’t have to adopt profiteering. I don’t see the issue here.

These kind of organisations are what’s commonly known as charitable corporations. They get the tax status, they get the profits. The payout method differs, that’s all. There’s no charitable root to their operations anymore.

One of those things spent ten years destroying a friend’s charity (an actual small local one). Had 130 employees, in social, children’s and home care area. Judge returned the case three times, then got pressured by politicians. Ended up finding for the other side on a technicality, said it was incomprehensible that a national charity should embark upon a hostile takeover of a local charity, called the other side despicable. Media was on their side.

Now five years later, all profits they make locally are siphoned off to national headquarters. My friend’s charity invested all profits back into the charity – kids got new play grounds, care home got a new garden and more staff etc. Whole town is suffering as the corporate charity – still legally a charity – is closing down everything that isn’t profitable enough and charging for all their services at a premium. Now the media is waking up to this, but it’s too late, of course. Bankrupted my friend, cost 100 people their jobs, but the other side, that national charity is still going strong…

So don’t be fooled by a “not for profits” statement on their web page and look at what they actually do – cost the taxpayer more money, pay their management huge salaries and deliver less value.

A number of points.
The U.S was 43 in the world when last the World Health Organisation did a survey.
The UK was number 18. The US pay twice as much for healthcare as other leading nations and the health of US citizens keep getting worse !!! Definitely the way to go if you want to follow in their footsteps all the way to hell while paying through the nose for the privilege.
What should be the measure of a good healthcare system? Surely people’s health should be improving not getting worse and the cost of the service should be reducing? What a revolutionary idea? Then where would there be the need for
locums at £4000 per day ? Or massively overpriced drugs ? or the PFI where changing a lightbulb costs £300?
Face it the NHS is about making money out of making people sicker and sicker !!!.
And the government facilitates corporates who feed off the NHS. Think Pharma..
Pharma and more Pharma.
Privatisation won’t stop people from getting major chronic diseases like Heart disease, Diabetes, Cancer, Dementia ,Lung, Disease , etc. Those figures will still keep rising.
Why because healthcare is about “managing” health conditions not curing people of them. So not matter what you pay you won’t get better if you rely on imported doctors or PFI financed hospitals. The NHS is there to facilitate the aims of Pharma and there is nothing you can do about it unless you are prepared to take more care of you and yours. Better nutrition, exercise, clean water, better air quality.
And no matter who you vote for you will still pay taxes to maintain the NHS even if you take the time and effort to look after health of yourself and your family.

If this is true then Theresa May is taking a giant backward leap into the past. The people of Britain will never accept this . By all means make the rich pay more in taxes as the poor is paying enough. The total misuse of funds by the jobs for boys brigade, their wages are enhanced by backhanders from other companies who want the contracts for providing supplies and medical instruments ” in which most are disposable” how did we ever manage before. I have recently been told that soap and disinfectant is no longer used in hospitals as it is against health and safety. One wonders how we have all managed onto old age. The NHS should recruit nurses from school leavers and train them on the floor as you would a apprentice, that is what makes a nurse , not a piece of paper from a university. How easy it is to collect a certificate but can they do practical, with a commonsense approach. People fight for what is your right.

DThe NHS is an amazing healthcare system which has been left open to much abuse. Least of all by those who are in a position to either mend it or break it permanently. Don’t let this happen. Let’s fix our NHS for the good of the people who are citizens of Great Britain.

How do you know its an amazing system ? . A couple of years ago the NHS were
killing people at the rate of 130,000 a year on the Liverpool Pathway and giving bonuses to hospitals for the number of beds they freed up. Then they were caught out
and had to stop the practice which involved depriving the elderly of food and water,
which is not a nice way to die. Called NIL BY MOUTH. A good hospital system would be improving the nations health not “managing it for Pharmaceutical Co’s benefit.
This week in the Times the head of the IBPI Ms Anson said” that Pharma would move out of Britain unless they received £20 billion more a year”. That taxes should be increased to fund their innovative research”. And that lots of other countries would welcome research being done in their country.
Funny but the lead researcher of Glaxo Smith Kline said ” Our drugs don’t work on most people” what a surprise(not).

David have you read/heard communications by Public Health Specialists? Eg Prof Allyson Pollock (Inst of Health & Society Newcastle Univ; previously Prof of Public Health Research & Policy, Qu.Mary, UoL; set up & directed the Centre for International Public Health Policy, Univ.E’boro; & prior to that Head of the Public Health Policy Unit, UCL, Dir. Research & Development at UCL Hospitals NHS Trust); & by Prof.Colin Leys (with 20+ experts of Centre for Health and the Public Interest, CHPI – see https://chpi.org.uk/about-us/); & by Prof Colin Pritchard (see http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10583606.The_problem_with_our_NHS/ ) .
You are of course aware of how long was spent by the Tories in preparing the Health & Social Care Bill which became an Act in Mar’12 & its contents, eg it opened up OUR NHS for Private Health Industry to get in there, & it led to £4.5bn to £10bn having to be spent by the NHS in tendering for work it used to do automatically in house! Worth finding the exact wording of Mark Britnell’s ‘talk’ to a Private Health confeence in N.York in late 2010 – basically the NHS is up for grabs in the next 2 years & have no mercy on the NHS. Britnell moved from very high up in the Civil Service Health Dept to KPMG in 2009-ish!
Do read those links & search for more detailed info.
The NHS IS AMAZING, & the people who work in it for us all leave Tory politicians looking very very sad – the Tory attitude to OUR NHS is sick .

To Martin Rudland
Last week
The Times April 27th 2017
Drug Giants threaten to Leave Britain.
Unless the NHS is given £20 billion a year for research for new treatments.
Apparently the 9.9 % we spend on research is less than other countries who spend
11.3%.
So when articles appear in the newspapers insisting the NHS needs more money
was that for Doctors and Nurses? No …now we know where the money is going.
and how Pharma goes about its business threats ,bribery, fear so that the population rush out to buy toxic vaccinations, while doctors don’t? Now why might that be?
In the US they are mandating certain vaccines like Flu, using the herd immunity
nonsense. And what do these vaccines contain and are they safe? ethyl mercury, polysorbate 80, and aluminium.? Are all highly toxic . See Miller’s Review of Critical Vaccine Studies , 400 important scientific papers on vaccines.
Similarly in Australia mandating vaccines and no benefits for those families who don’t vaccinate!!.
The Flu vaccine 2 years ago had a success rate of 3%. and it appears that the usual
success of that vaccine is around 50%.
Returning to the £20 billion demand, do they make the same demands of every country? Pitching them the same story as here and threatening to leave otherwise.
Is that how Glaxo made “2 billion in the first quarter on sales of 7.4 billion. Better returns that the arms business and the banking sector, by a long shot.

As a U.S. & CA.citizen. I’m all too well familiar with the “non profit” because there are far too many more of us who were fired and lost all in lieu health care as well any care for the many disabilities and illnesses it so deliberately caused and yes there are those who have died because of no care for their illnesses and its done with U.S. govt impunity as the targets ARE, older, female & minorities including children of these groups. It’s worth many billions of dollars, a year and its all tax free, All on states, federal & patient monies.. It’s only goal is to make money at any cost. AT ANY COST for its other non medical care activities. It’s own idea of making money is to “manage” care, it decides how much care to give which is little to none and one is far more likely to die sooner than one thinks because there is too little care for your medical condition that is needed or tell you need a treatment that you really do not need and will greatly increase your demise while you as a patient will be paying high cost premiums, one way or another. This is one of Americans biggest cons going since the 60’s, Integrated care is based on false data that IT, the managed care system created, all to deny real medical care for real illnesses such as asthma, heart disease, arthritis, back or spine injuries, pretty much everything that touches peoples lives on a daily basis. this all started TO deny injuries and illnesses that it caused it’s own employees but it’s gone further though out the U.S., Canada, & Australia. France didn’t go for it’s B.S.

Our veterans too are patients that have unnecessarily suffered because OF it’s path of the “managed” care premise, all the while pretending to be healthcare organization. Either May is totally ignorant to the “managed” care B.S. or there’s something in it for her to want to send particular classes of the working people off to get sick and die sooner.
Stay with NIH to stay alive and well..

Where will the Conservative party find the money to pay for very sick people unable to work and pay for private health care if Teresa May privatises the NHS? Is Teresa May intending to take us back to a time where we had no NHS and children and adults could not afford to pay for a Doctor. Back in that time children died in the arms of emotionally pained parents that couldn’t afford a Doctor for their child. Parents back then couldn’t even afford to pay the Doctor to pain relief their child while they were dying. Conservatives have and are going to damage the NHS that I believe can be the best of the Conservatives stop privatising and stop bringing in the private health to cover our lack of NHS staff. We should have enough NHS staff and relief staff if the conservatives put our money into the NHS and the NHS will be a better service for everyone that is in need of it.

The previous president wanted to help the American people by building a NHS system in America. What happened to that very good idea. There must be people in America suffering greatly from illness and can’t pay. It makes me wonder if children in America are dying without health care that they need. Why is Teresa May going to follow in the American footsteps. I thought the previous president wanted a NHS system as good as ours in the U.K. Used to be.

More than likely written by the CEO of kaiser. IT’S integrated care is one big lie, there is no such thing, just another label to deny real care., as it was started, kaiser sold the idea make more money with less care and that money is their main goal as told to President Nixon in 1972, Sadly much of the health care on the U.S. models kaiser’s business model. This too, is so it can sell more tea in China. ( no joke either) among other non medical care industries. All of it snake oil salesmanship ripping off billions of tax payer& patient money for many decades as well as their many disabled workers benefits, ALL of their benefits, even the disabled workers paid into govt benefits.. like SSA/Medicare. It’s a bottomless pit of money for a false health care organization and those govt agencies & legislator’s are involved. How many ways can you steal maim and kill? Kaiser is a very profitable foundation only for those who run it. RUN, don’t walk from this boondoggle called “health care” organization. Medical care in general doesn’t exist anymore. this is all about making money while limiting necessary medical care, to complete the offing of those who have been working and living for the last 90 or so years. Kaiser is the elite’s choice all after they stole from us working class. that’s been the plan all along.

They’d best not even THINK about it… protests will cost them MILLIONS and in the end people will boycott and set up OUR OWN Healthcare Co-op and SINK THEM!
This is Britain, it is NOT the property of Coporations and soon Theresarse Mayhem will be a hasbeen looking for a job!

My dad died in 2008 in a NHS hospital aged 96 He fought for this country and he would turned in his grave if the tories get in again Their greedy and minipulaters of even the voting system it sholud be one man one vote . However they will only need 24% to get in lets all make sure it never happened

Interesting but speculation. NHS visits etc to other countries us common, the idea is to find new ideas of management, productivity, medicine etc. I have worked within companies that interact with perceived competitors in order to gain insight.
If there were tangible facts I would react differently but this is just adding 2+2=5.

Before anyone says it….I’m not a Tory, I’m a proud Brit that wants electoral reform and a Republic.

Are you nuts?
Fact! Private healthcare is just that!
Fact! Dorset is already being managed by Virgin instead of the NHS … if their patients cant pay exhorbitent fees up front to see their GP … they have a four week wait for an NHS appointment … and there is a dramatic reduction in A&E services … so where do sick people without a large bank account go?
Then there is their paediatric services …Fact! also gone over to private healthcare … children with long term incurable conditions have been discharged and have no healthcare options amongst them there are children with chronic conditions … previously cared for by Consultant Paediatricians … children who suffered oxygen starvation either in utero or at birth … a spectrum of disorders that if not supported throws them on the rubbish heap for their short life … Autism … ADHD … cerebal palsy … special needs … Downs Syndrom … the list is long
As it is … care is disjounted in the areas of the NHS that are being privatised … there is no exchange if information … waiting times are horendous and if these operators are not paid up front … you dont get seen or treated … the NHS is a not for profit service that keeps many people alive who will not survive without it …Fact! many people have already needlessly lost their lives … the for profit organisations do not have patient safety or dignity as their guide … no profit … no treatment … and even if there is a profit the care can be non existent
By the time you finish waiting to see what happens … you will have no options left … healthcare will be private only and the NHS will be a brand name only
This is common-knowledge in the rest of the world do you not have friends who are British ex pats living overseas and informed?
We are allegedly a sovereign democracy … democracy ifs largely out the window we are heading full tilt towards becomng a tax haven for the filthy rich where unless you are one of their number … you will be left with little or nothing
If you want a Republic as your home … Iteland is the closest

Over in Holland people have a private insurance. You pay different prices for different levels of cover. I lived there years ago & was impressed by my basic cover. The hospitals were brilliant & the dentists were more advanced than the dentists in the uk.
It was a better system. The waiting list to see a Doctor or specialist was fantastic.
The only problem is that people that don’t want to work , get away with it all yet again & pay nothing.
It’s cheaper than national insurance

That all sounds wonderful but the Government here is not looking at the Dutch System but the American which Virgin are already operating in Dorset and quietly being rolking out into various UK areas … but no reduction in the funds deducted at source from NI and tax … which if actually used to pay for healthcare … would provide the best and by far superior service worldwide
As for people who are disabled, aged, chronically ill and unable to work
What hapoens to them … in America … they are left to die having been physically removed from hospitals and dumped outside
There is no tenable alternative to the NHS offered to the British public who continue to pay for the Service … yet our healthcare is quietly and consistently privatised without disclosure consultation
We have no contribution to the decisions already made behind closed doors, much less discussion for the future
The British public really does need to wake up and inform themselves on what is happening now, at tgeir expense, and the suffering this is already delivering

the NHS was originally brought in as a safety net; an immediate free point of care for emergencies , accidents and general illness, It was not designed for sex changes , fat removal, depression , anxiety gastric bands and other surgeries that people feel the need to have these treatment/ procedures.
if you strip all that back then the NHS would be in fine shape .

Some of the comments above are complete bollocks and people need to stop reading/believing everything they see in a redtop newspaper or in the local pub.

You tealky need to check your facts
Sadly … you are the one with no idea of what you speak
FACT
The NHS was put in place in 1948 to meet ALL our heakthcare needs includind dental, and whikst free at point of use, is to br paid for through our tax deductions
By the time you wake up and understand what is actually going on … it will be too late
Like it or not NHS services have been sold off ti Virgin who are operating in the West Country
Check it out

The US already has private American owned companies running parts of the NHS in the UK and they are called HCA so it’s unfortunately already happening. There already here covering what the NHS cannot do because of short staffing and charging the UK taxpayer a fortune. It’s Ridicuolous

Today’s health care is not about necessary medical care. It is about offing people for CEO & govt profit and it’s being done on, especially those that need real medical care, like the created poor, disabled, minorities, women & those that are retired, the new elderly, all making room for the newer ones who will be next. It’s all nazi & commie “health care”, profit or no profit. It’s all one big lie, now that so many need it, those who came after the last generation during the WW11 generation . It worked in WW11 AND those involved in the murdering machine laughed then too, all the way to the bank, which of course include corporate and govt execs. Kaiser goes way way back with its foulness.

False news. This article is cobblers dressed up as facts.
The reason dozens of NHS Trusts have been visiting Kaiser Permanente over the past 15 years is their structural model: “Underpinning the Kaiser model is not just an integrated model of care…but “a critical cultural change − the physicians lead in population care”
Nothing to do with health insurance, nothing to do with charging at the point of delivery, instead getting rid of layers of management and letting the doctors get on with the job.
I would have thought that was something we all wanted.

kaiser permamente is false news. it’s doctors are trained NOT to give you medical care and their retirement depend on this false health care org. It’s not about medical at all, it’s about profit for itself to even more harm in other areas. Unfortunately some in US.CONGRESS bought this so employers would NOT have to pay for REAL medical care needed by their employees. It was sold to make employers even richer including itself. Kiaser is the biggest leech of American tax payer money & health care premiums and it then in the 90’s went full throttle on older, more experience and higher paid employers to cause work place injuries and illnesses and NOT pay for the medical care the employees needed and then bring in lesser educated and illegal employees ALL FOR CORPORATE PROFIT.. Our current President knows what the employers are doing but he needs to step up to the plate, stop this scourge of inhumanity and give those who disabled the benefits they were promised and get back what the employers illegally and criminally stole away. The AFL-CIO wrote up the contract and the non profit human resources was created to carry out and cover up the theft and harm that employees have faced since the latter 80’s. Kaiser created all of it at the behest of Congress for self-insured employers profit. The whole universal health care scheme generated by kaiser to cut employer cost for it’s own profit. The U.S.Congress OWES the American workers the truth of the pain and theft that kaiser was employed to do via” integrated” health care, that started in 1960 by a crackpot PH’d with others from Harvard that like Kiaser doesn’t believe in anything but making money at human costs. It’s all built on a false premise and I cannot emphasize more that the UK folks are going to be treated the same shoddy and callous way and suffice it to say, that this is just another way to deny care and let people die however that occurs with out real medical care. I swear to this GOD is my witness , to Congress and the people of the U.S.A.! That the fashcists and commies in our country are at it again, been at it, all to our govt for allowing kaiser and some who’ve been in our govt to tear it all and another way to killing American, Canadian, Australian , African and other populations off and one of the best and especially secret ways is through the MEDICAL arena. Kiaser starts from Caesar, the head of the roman empire and it’s attitudes and acts are the same.

The people of the UK NEED to research as we did for many years and we were employees who did our research on who and what kaiser really is and IT IS NOT ABOUT REAL MEDICAL CARE. IT’S A CON PERPETRATED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, thanks to past president Nixon in 1971 (tapes) and that this heinous corporation is all about making disabled workers, and then killing off these AMERICAN older men & women, minorities and many who were unions members

The AFL-CIO wrote up the contract for this to happen with the SSA/Medicare, NAFTA sealed the deal,, again to save self insured employers INCLUDING employers like the SSA/MEDICARE, local, state & federal govt agencies that go into other counties to do the same and use the money for other egregious acts like war, terrorists acts, drugs and gangs all for the perpetrator’s and traitors pockets. The seditious acts should lead to charges of outright treason. Not all corporations do this but they’ve all been indoctrinated with the premise of integrated care and that employees ARE the problem and NOT the employers, who have and are causing decades of heinous acts on their own workers and there is no accountability or responsibility taken by our own govt that ignores complaints no matter whether it is the legislators, justices or agencies. ZERO response form those we pay to protect us, their constituents.

One day soon the truth will come out and I sure hope President Trump is with us to shine the vicious and ugly truth about what’s been happening for at least 57 years to the American people, those who are paying for it all. WE’VE BEEN SCAMMED, CONNED, MAIMED, INJURED, MADE ILL AND KILLED ALL FOR corporate and govt profit. A large order indeed but a crucial and necessary one to save our country and it’s people. AND we have kaiser’s own bragging rights to evidence it all.

MAY too, is a sham for factions like the faschists and communists corporations and why going global should have never happened. It did spread faschism and communism and yes mideast beliefs, that are totally contrary to what most of us believe, what is right and wrong and just. Atheists are easily fooled or are a part of this cause the Romans on down were Atheists too. Tech companies too are involved with their so called aggorythms to indoctrinate our minds on what is right wrong and just, with compassion, empathy and other positive human traits, everything to make us think that money is all what life and celebrity is really about but never reaches the workers who make our countries what they are.. Don’t be fooled anymore!

GOD bless us all because we need HIS Divine Intervention, Blessings and Miracles for and on our survival.

I didn’t mean for this comment to go on for so long but it needs to be said, The Truth and that is God given.

I apologize for my errors. It’s hard for me sometimes to think and express while typing, one, who’s been disabled by kaiser since the last day I worked in 6/92.along with hundreds of others (then) 35, years long. This is too for those who were killed, workers and patients who have no voice and who others as well as myself doing what we can to give them a voice and to stop the theft, maiming and killings.
Thank you
Dina J.Padilla