Good freind Blake who runs scouting for the Titans told me before the season began Ravens would be easily best team in AFC. The ONLY weakness he saw lack of size, experience and overall proven speed at the WR position, which Flacco needed. He told me then that not landing FLoyd was a huge loss. He was right and left the Ravens just not good enough. Expect the Ravens to go after a big WR either in the draft early or FA. Since the Ravens dont use crossing patterns and basically expect the WR to beat the man 1-1, Floyd was perfect. Basically Flacco needs an athletic tall WR to throw jump balls to in single coverage.

03-02-2012, 01:05 AM

B-more Ravor

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by Boulderraven

At the time the Ravens were pursuing Floyd, Ngata was still franchised. The Ravens had no wiggle room for negotiations at the time. That 2.5 million extra would of landed Floyd. History might be different and his 6'5 frame and 20 yard average per catch would look real good right now and probably the perfect peice Flacco needed, that's why the Ravens targeted him.

Except, they signed Ricky Williams and his $1.05M cap number a couple of days later and traded for Lee Evans and his $3.375M salary a week or so after that.

Floyd's base deal was 2 years, $5M and his 2011 Cap number appears to have been $2.5M.

Again, they could have signed Floyd if they wanted to.

03-02-2012, 08:15 AM

Ravenswintitle

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

see, these treads are awesome - keep the FA thread for other teams ;)

03-02-2012, 08:18 AM

wickedsolo

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Floyd at 6'5 and fast who can also leap. He played 12 games, had 856 yards, and nearly 20 yard average! 20 yard average! That is what the Ravens needed more than anything his presence. Had they got him the offense would be totally different. I bet we don't even play in NE, likely they get HFA. But, Ngata was still
franchised at the time they were trying to sign him and that 2.5 million would of put us over the top, plus the 3.75 million for this year could have been added. He was the first peice and most important peice the Ravens identified last season, but came up a few bucks short. He would sure look good in purple last year and now.
But we had to deal a 4th to the Bills for Evans and take a cap hit this season for
it to boot.
Plus he destroyed the Ravens if you recall last year.

He destroyed a rookie corner. No one played well that game. Cary Williams got lit up, the DL got beaten up...that was just a terrible game all around.

I'm not disputing that the Ravens don't need a big guy at the WR position, but I was just never a big fan of Malcom Floyd and he really was just posturing to get more $$$ from the Chargers. I've always thought that he was pretty overrated.

03-02-2012, 08:19 AM

wickedsolo

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Except, they signed Ricky Williams and his $1.05M cap number a couple of days later and traded for Lee Evans and his $3.375M salary a week or so after that.

Floyd's base deal was 2 years, $5M and his 2011 Cap number appears to have been $2.5M.

Again, they could have signed Floyd if they wanted to.

I don't think Floyd ever had any intentions of signing with Baltimore except to use their offer as leverage for AJ Smith to up the ante a little so he would stay in San Diego.

03-02-2012, 08:27 AM

pslholder96

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Good freind Blake who runs scouting for the Titans told me before the season began Ravens would be easily best team in AFC. The ONLY weakness he saw lack of size, experience and overall proven speed at the WR position, which Flacco needed. He told me then that not landing FLoyd was a huge loss. He was right and left the Ravens just not good enough. Expect the Ravens to go after a big WR either in the draft early or FA. Since the Ravens dont use crossing patterns and basically expect the WR to beat the man 1-1, Floyd was perfect. Basically Flacco needs an athletic tall WR to throw jump balls to in single coverage.

Malcom Floyd is not a #1 receiver. Not sure why you think he would have been the difference in getting a title this past year. Oh wait you're friend said so, so it must be true? Let's see how Malcom performs when his security blanket (VJax) bolts in free agency.

03-02-2012, 08:28 AM

pslholder96

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I don't think Floyd ever had any intentions of signing with Baltimore except to use their offer as leverage for AJ Smith to up the ante a little so he would stay in San Diego.

Bingo!! Yes the ravens did make an effort and backed out when they realize they were just being used.

03-02-2012, 08:35 AM

Ravenswintitle

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by pslholder96

Malcom Floyd is not a #1 receiver. Not sure why you think he would have been the difference in getting a title this past year. Oh wait you're friend said so, so it must be true? Let's see how Malcom performs when his security blanket (VJax) bolts in free agency.

This whole #1 receiver thing is overblown. Most teams don't have a true #1. There aren't many of them in the league

03-02-2012, 08:37 AM

pslholder96

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

This whole #1 receiver thing is overblown. Most teams don't have a true #1. There aren't many of them in the league

The #1 receiver label is relative and yes you're correct. There is no true definition however I would say it could be the #1 go to guy in the passing game who the team believes to be their best playmaker.

03-02-2012, 08:37 AM

JAB1985

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

This whole #1 receiver thing is overblown. Most teams don't have a true #1. There aren't many of them in the league

thats true, but there are enough that they can be had too. Floyd isnt a true number one but in combination with what we have he offers what collectively would be equal to one. thats how you can get around it, but for some reason we arent taking those steps to do it that way and our WR corps is suffering for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pslholder96

The #1 receiver label is relative and yes you're correct. There is no true definition however I would say it could be the #1 go to guy in the passing game who the team believes to be their best playmaker.

By that definition every team has one as every play has a "first read", and we already have one in Torrey as a WR and Ray Rice as a player.

03-02-2012, 08:49 AM

wickedsolo

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

Quote:

Originally Posted by pslholder96

The #1 receiver label is relative and yes you're correct. There is no true definition however I would say it could be the #1 go to guy in the passing game who the team believes to be their best playmaker.

Which currently would be Ray Rice. :celery

03-02-2012, 09:33 AM

Ravenswintitle

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Which currently would be Ray Rice. :celery

Point taken. An upgrade might not be that difficult under the circumstances ;)

03-02-2012, 11:06 AM

purplepoe

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

Malcom Floyd WANTED to stay in SD.

The Ravens offered him and he passed.

This thread is amusing.

PP

03-02-2012, 11:14 AM

goodandfast

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by wickedsolo

He destroyed a rookie corner. No one played well that game. Cary Williams got lit up, the DL got beaten up...that was just a terrible game all around.

I'm not disputing that the Ravens don't need a big guy at the WR position, but I was just never a big fan of Malcom Floyd and he really was just posturing to get more $$$ from the Chargers. I've always thought that he was pretty overrated.

EXtremely over-rated, as is Vincent Jackson. Neither of those guys give anything that resembles a consistent effort, and Floyd is perpetually hurt. They do not play like Ravens.

03-02-2012, 11:27 AM

wickedsolo

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

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Originally Posted by goodandfast

EXtremely over-rated, as is Vincent Jackson. Neither of those guys give anything that resembles a consistent effort, and Floyd is perpetually hurt. They do not play like Ravens.

The thing with VJax is he is extremely quick for his size. 6'5" 230lb guys don't normally move like he can. That's what kind of separates him from other receivers. That said, he'll be 30 this year and at what point does he just slow down incredibly because he's not a guy known for really keeping himself in tip/top shape.

03-02-2012, 11:29 AM

goodandfast

Quote:

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

The thing with VJax is he is extremely quick for his size. 6'5" 230lb guys don't normally move like he can. That's what kind of separates him from other receivers. That said, he'll be 30 this year and at what point does he just slow down incredibly because he's not a guy known for really keeping himself in tip/top shape.

Yeah, I know that VJax has all that going for him...but here in San Diego he has the same reputation that Chris McAlister had in Bmore: he likes the lifestyle more than the game.

I've definitely heard that and from what I've read and heard he's one of those guys that is really just interested in the $$$.

I do think Baltimore needs another WR, but I don't think VJax is that guy.

03-02-2012, 11:36 AM

Raveninwoodlawn

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

Quote:

Originally Posted by purplepoe

Malcom Floyd WANTED to stay in SD.

The Ravens offered him and he passed.

This thread is amusing.

PP

This.

I was a huge Malcom Floyd guy...I really wanted him here.

I also realized during the interest that he never really wanted to come here and was using us to get money from San Diego. I remember there was almost an entire week where his signing felt immenent based on comments from our beat writers...and the longer it went on, the stranger it felt. When we got the numbers he resigned for in San Diego, I think it was clear to everyone...even Aaron Wilson mentioned it on his twitter at the time...that Floyd had no intentions of signing here because we could have, and probably did match the offer he got and probably exceeded it a little, yet he dragged it out as long as he could to get as much cash form San Diego as possible.

Cap space was not an issue with him.

03-02-2012, 12:31 PM

Boulderraven

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

Most NFL players who make more than the minimum live in either the LA burbs like Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach the San Diego area, Arizona or Florida. Then they rent fancy condos in the city they play in during the season. The reason Floyd didn't leave SD, was $. Had the Ravens tossed out the extra 1.5-2 million or so, he would of been a Raven.

03-02-2012, 12:38 PM

wickedsolo

Re: Ravens release Chris Carr per kffl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulderraven

Most NFL players who make more than the minimum live in either the LA burbs like Hermosa Beach, Manhattan Beach the San Diego area, Arizona or Florida. Then they rent fancy condos in the city they play in during the season. The reason Floyd didn't leave SD, was $. Had the Ravens tossed out the extra 1.5-2 million or so, he would of been a Raven.

They live in Florida because there is no income tax.

Is that the case in California?

Regardless, Floyd wanted San Diego to up the ante. He used Baltimore and that was obvious. Had Baltimore significantly overpaid for the guy then maybe he would have signed with Baltimore, but when does Ozzie really overpay for free agents? Hardly ever and the most recent being Foxworth and that was 4 years ago now.

Furthermore, most athletes don't actually have their home of record in the city where their team is. Anquan Boldin has a place in Maryland, but his home of record is in Florida. Donovan McNabb's home of record was in Arizona even thoug he played for Philly.