The following is a transcript of the discussion between Younus AlGohar, Steve Bell and Hugh Reilly at the ThatChannel.com HQ.

Hugh Reilly (H): Hey everybody, it is me, Hugh, with Liquid Lunch. This is actually a surprise get-together today. We have HH Younus AlGohar and Steve Bell from the Messiah Foundation UK. You guys were going to go to Edmonton – which is a real journey from Toronto, since you were going to drive there – but I heard the weather was bad and it is really no fun driving the snow.

It is great to have you here. We had the [Unitarian Spiritualism] event on October 29th at the Steelworkers Hall. Really, I guess the message that you are bringing is unitarian spirituality: we’re all human beings and we have to learn to get along with one another and that’s what we are trying to do.

Let’s talk about what true spirituality is.

Who makes a good spiritual leader?

Steve Bell (S): True spirituality is regarding the spirits. It is to do with the spirits. His Holiness Younus AlGohar quite clearly says that we have seven souls in our body. And spirituality is all about reawakening those souls. For those souls, they can visit their respective realms once they have been regenerated with divine energy.

Not all the souls are positive; they all have different functions. We very clearly have a negative soul in us; when we are born, this negative soul is active which is why we find it so easy to hate; negatively comes very easily to human beings. The positive, loving side, takes a bit of work.

His Holiness often says, ‘It is very easy to hate and you don’t need to learn how to hate. But to learn to love, you have to make a bit of effort.’

You always have to tell a child to share a toy. It is quite in the nature to be negative.

True spirituality is reawakening those spirits and souls. [The way] is not by reading books or going to worship places. The only way you can reawaken those souls is through a true spiritual master. A true spiritual master will reawaken your souls for you. It is not just a pipe dream; you can feel the presence in your heart. After some time, you can feel yourself becoming a better, more loving, human being.

A true Spiritual Master is somebody that can unlock that door and open your heart and souls.

H: You got me curious: what are the seven souls? You mentioned they’re not all positive and there are some negative ones in there.

S: The [Spiritual Heart] is the key to connect with God. Once the heart reawakens, that is how you can communicate with God.

We’re not against any religion, as we have said many times before. But we are not in the business of worshipping God; our business is loving God.

We teach people how they can love God through the connection of their heart. So that’s the main soul [that we focus on]. The other souls have different functions in the breast; they also need divine energy to do what they’re supposed to do.

Once that first step has been taken and they’re reawakened, then they know exactly what they’re supposed to do.

The heart was given to us to love God. It doesn’t need to be taught that. Our spiritual master, His Divine Eminence Gohar Shahi, says it beautifully that once that heart awakens, it is like a chick waking up. You don’t have to teach that chick how to chirp. It already knows how to do it.

Once your heart reawakens, it already knows how to worship God because that’s what it was there for. You feel so joyful after you have that [Opening of the Spiritual Heart].

H: You’ve had that experience?

S: Yes!

As we’ve mentioned before about love, once you have God’s love inside your heart, then you start to see everybody else as having that same love of God. You cannot hate that person. You feel unification, which is what we are talking about.

S: There were other people who didn’t want to come up [to the stage] but they wanted a bit of a private session [for the Opening of the Spiritual Heart]. They took the name Allah Hu. It is about getting that name into the heart; it doesn’t matter what you use to call upon God because once [the name of your preference] enters the heart, that is what does all the work. They felt straight away their heart beating and warmth in their heart. Quite a few people took that on [the day of the Unitarian Spiritualism programme].

H: A lot of people talk about spirituality. What is the importance of spirituality in religions?

Younus AlGohar (Y): As far as my understanding is concerned, I see religion as a physical exercise of different rituals. You worship God with your body. Whereas spirituality is about enlightenment of the souls, strengthening them, making a spiritual journey, arriving at a destination in the ethereal world (which is not this phenomenal world).

It is interesting how the Gospel of Thomas talks about the Kingdom of God that Jesus promises to his disciples. I want Brother Steve to comment on what Jesus [meant] when he said, ‘I will take you to a world which eyes have ever dreamt of and no hearts have every desired.’

H: That’s interesting because the Gospel of Thomas is not part of Bible, but they call it the apocryphal text. Steve, are you familiar with this?

S: Yes, I’m very familiar with this. It talks about love and spirituality which is not always what the church wants us to learn. They’re very much into dogmas.

H: I guess Constantine wanted that book buried, right?

S: Right. Once you have that divine energy, when you read such scriptures, you have to have more of an understanding of it. Jesus did say to his followers, ‘I promise you a kingdom that no eye has seen, and no ear has heard of.’

If you really look into that and think about it, there were prophets before: Abraham and Moses came and spoke about God’s kingdom and told people how to get to God’s kingdom.

Jesus, when he came, he told them, ‘It is a place you’ve never heard of or seen.’

He was talking about his own kingdom. Another very important work we do is showing people the path to Jesus through this [Opening of the Spiritual Heart]. Jesus is actually here and he is gathering his people. He is letting their souls mingle with his. Again, it is not a worship, it is love – a connection.

H: That is an interesting distinction: you’re not worshipping, you’re loving. Arguably, I guess this is what the message of Jesus was.

S: We were in Mexico City last week. There were well over 800 people who are Catholics or were Catholics (but it never really leaves you, does it?). When we said that, there was a huge relief and cheer that we were talking about making the heart the worship place and that you don’t have to go to churches. We [told them], ‘We are not going to show you pictures of Jesus suffering on the cross. We are going to show you the true image of Jesus – the live image of Jesus.’

I think this is what people want to hear. I think they’re a bit fed up.

Terrorism

H: These days, it seems to me that people are possibly fed up with their religions – but they’re also possibly concerned about the directions things are headed in the world. We’ve got terrorism – Islamic and otherwise.

Y: But the thing is, do we not need to find out: what could be the reason why people are fed up with their religions?

H: Yeah!

Y: And then why [this is happening to] a religion like Islam, which has been around for almost 15 centuries and produced wonderful spiritual leaders like Rumi, Shirazi, Hafiz and all these great Sufis who only talked about love and brotherhood. They never promoted hatred; they mingled with followers of every religion and never talked about exclusion. Then suddenly, we have this in front of us where people are saying, ‘Allahu Akbar!’ and there is a bomb blast.

This is scary. Some people will jump to conclusions that Islam is teaching all this hatred. Some others have reservations and some others are confused. But the thing is: how, having served humanity for the past 14 centuries, has Islam been dragged to a position where people don’t want to hear the world, Islam?

To my understanding, it happens when spirituality is taken off religion – when people lose connection with God. When people do not know how to revive the human instincts and human characteristics in them that, of course, are adhered to the souls and spirits, not to the body. The body is just a container.

If the soul inside the body is pure, the body will act pure.

If the soul inside the body is impure, then obviously these things will happen. This is the case with every single religion today. Since they divorced spirituality from the religions, religions have lost their systems of spiritual enlightenment.

We need to understand that spirituality is the core of every religion.

When spirituality is separated from a religion, what is happening in the name of Islam right now is what will happen.

S: We recognise that this battle that is going on is not between Christians and Muslims; it is about love and hate. There were two cases in the news just last week: Jihadi Jack and the White Widow. I mean, they’re saying that they’re being attracted to Islam, but they’re not being attracted to the loving, tolerant teachings of Sufism. They’re being attracted to the hardline, hateful Wahhabis. They’re being attracted to hate; they’re not being attracted to love.

We’re building on the love side and telling people, ‘This is a big cover-up. This is not about religion. This is about the great divide on the end of love and hate.’

H: Sometimes I think somebody has got an agenda to just divide people. I know you travel the world trying to spread the message of love and spirituality. The kind of hate you just mentioned where people do commit acts of terrorism or are about to hurt other people – how can you root that out?

Y: We can only do something partially. For example, the youth who haven’t been yet affected by radicalisation, we can give them the right interpretation of their religion. We can tell them, ‘No, [the meaning of the holy text that the extremists give you is not true]. This is not what it means.’

We need to nip the devil in the bud. When they have already been radicalised, then you can’t root that out from their lives. They’re gone, they’re history. They’ll do what they want to do.

In order to be able to have a good society in the future, we need to work on the youth, not these people who have already been indoctrinated into hatred. Nothing can be done about them, honestly.

H: I agree with that. You try to reach young people, but then you may not reach everybody. Maybe some of those people [you influence] will reach such people.

Y: Of course. But we should do whatever we can do. Whatever is humanly possible.

H: Yeah. We are very fortunate, we live in prosperous, Western countries. But some people, even though they have all the luxuries of life, they are lacking inner peace. Is there anything we can do about that?

Inner Peace

S: Inner peace is all to do with the restlessness of the heart and souls. The whole purpose of coming in this world, we say, is that you should reconnect your souls with God.

You should manage to reawaken your souls. Everybody in their life gets the chance to do that. It is about grabbing that chance. Once that energy enters your heart, then the restlessness goes.

You can see so many people converting from one religion to another. We spoke about the importance of religions [during the programme]. Do we need religions? Another problem is that when people do leave religions, they can join some self-concocted following. We’ve travelled quite a lot to mind, body and soul expos. The things that you see there are just unbelievable. You know, hair reading, palm reading, etc.

H: I guess that won’t work for everybody!

S: Yeah, it won’t work for everybody. Chakras is another word [for spirits]. They talk about balancing the chakras. They do all sorts of things to balance these chakras and it can work temporarily. There is energy everywhere, so you’ll feel some temporary energy but it is not serving that purpose. That is why people are still going to be restless; they will be going for more top-ups of these sessions.

It is not just about balancing the chakras. They need to be reawakened and energised with divine energy. Then, people won’t be going back to these places and spending their hard-earned money. Spirituality is free; it is from God.

You shouldn’t have to pay money to connect yourself to God.

H: For people watching this right now, what would you advise them to do to deal with these issues? I really think that people do have a need for some kind of connection to the divine. If they don’t get that, you have got to find an outlet somehow – so what do you recommend?

S: To connect to God, you have to find a spiritual master – somebody who has got power and authority. You can’t just do it by reading books; you could watch somebody fly a plane your whole life [but] it won’t allow you to fly that plane. Similarly, you need somebody how to teach you how to reawaken your heart and souls. You need a divine, spiritual master who will connect you with God and reawaken your souls.

So you can go on there. Every evening at 10 PM GMT, His Holiness does speeches. He explains further teachings of spirituality. He teaches the youth [and started an initiative known as Young Sufis of Great Britain]. He will answer any questions submitted there. The beauty of this is that you don’t have to watch it live; you can check them out anytime on YouTube.

You can go to the website and look at the true images of HDE Gohar Shahi and Jesus Christ. You can just ask for your heart to be opened.

Deradicalisation

Y: I want to say something.

I reflect on this point: if God really wanted us to kill people, and this is how we will make him happy, then by doing this, everybody will be dead. Who will go into the temples and mosques? This is so silly.

[Some individuals] claim to adhere to some religion and they don’t practise or understand that religion, yet somehow, they want to sacrifice their lives and claim others’ lives. What is the driving force? What is the benefit of doing this? This is crazy. It doesn’t make sense to me.

H: No, it doesn’t make sense. But it still happens. What would you do about it though?

Y: I really am dazzled and boggled. I do not know how to go about it. I can only reach out to the youth and tell them, ‘Look this is not exactly what God wants from you. You want to love everybody and respect everybody.’

If you think God wants you to kill everybody, I don’t think I should believe in such a God.

H: We’re talking about a universal spirituality, in a sense. As a counter-action to a religion or religious institution that’s gotten into a state where they’re preaching a misguiding philosophy of hate (that sometimes happen in religions where they’ve gotten that negative message). It also seems to me today that there seems to be a growing sense of atheism. Maybe more in the West than elsewhere.

Y: What do you expect from people when they practise a religion and they learn hatred – and they’re killing people in the name of God? This is what will happen: people will become atheists, obviously. People who are law-abiding citizens – who want peace in their lives and who don’t want hatred – they will think, ‘This crap is coming from God. We’re better off without not having God in our lives.’ This is why people are becoming atheists every day. I don’t blame them.

Reaching Out to Atheists

H: The message of universal spirituality – is that a message that can get through to atheists?

Y: If you are eating a rotten banana and your stomach is upset, the best possible solution that I can think of is to give you another fresh banana and tell you, ‘That one is going to make you ill. So take this banana [instead].’

If one philosophy of a religion is messed up and it has been adulterated on a larger scale where you can’t fix it, you better introduce a new philosophy: a philosophy of spirituality which can benefit you immediately.

H: Let’s imagine for a second here that we are talking to an atheist. What message would you give that person?

Y: ‘Awaken your soul.’ Because you are not your body. You are more your soul. In order to reap the benefits of having a soul in your body, you need to enlighten your soul so that you can have all the power in you which is provided by your soul.

So to all the individuals who practise atheism, who do not believe in God: forget about believing in God. I want you to believe in yourself and be at your optimum. In order to be at your optimum, you need to at least revive your spiritual characteristics. That’s all. Simple.

Spiritual Healing

H: We hear stories of people who are healed through their faith, spirituality or religion – even through divine energy. Can you talk a little bit about healing with divine energy?

S: As we said, negative energy is within us. We’re drawing in negative energies through everyday life – watching the television or even breathing the air. Once that negative energy attacks the cells, it causes whatever illness that you have. Even if it is an illness that is incurable medically, once the positive energy enters your veins, then that positive energy negates all the negative out. It will go straight into your blood system and become a healing process. Your heart will just generate divine energy continuously, even when you are sleeping. Throughout the whole day, you will be given this positive energy that just surrounds your body.

We’ve been very successful in spiritual healing.

H: Even with people that are, maybe, near the end? A fatal diagnosis?

S: Well, you’ve met Mir Ali quite a few times now. He was in quite a bad way in the UK. I think you’d be very surprised to see how he is now. We’ve had many people in these expos [who we healed].

A man, Joseph, at the New York Expo, was diagnosed with HIV. We did quite a lot of extensive healing on him. I returned to New York some months later and we did some more healing on him. The next time we saw him a year afterwards, he said he had the all-clear. That was quite remarkable.

There has been quite a lot of in Mexico queuing up to receive spiritual healing. Many hundreds of people came for healing in Mexico. People do recognise spiritual healing. Definitely for atheists, if they have tried God in other ways and it hasn’t worked for them, and they have given up on God – then why not try this? It is free! If you are taking medicine, you don’t know who made it, but you take it because you think it will work.

So we’re saying, ‘Just try it. Try another path. If you don’t believe the way to connect yourself to God was a religion, then try spirituality.’

H: People can go to the website and get the [Opening of the Spiritual Heart] through the website. How long are you in town for?

Y: We’ll be here another few days and then we will go back home to the UK.

AlRa TV

H: So you have AlRa TV, which I know that you use to reach out [to people]. One of the things that you are doing that I am aware of is helping to deradicalise Islamic youth in the UK and elsewhere. What other kind of messages are you trying to get out through AlRa TV?

Y: This is a very hot issue right now. Every night when I speak at 10 PM UK time, people from all over the world send in their questions about the right interpretation [of their religion]. It is not just Muslims. They come from different religions.

H: Because this is a universal message.

Y: Yes. I reply to them in details. Most of these people are satisfied and then they change their ways. Many people, having listened to my lectures, have sort of shunned their radicalised intentions. They were regretting and saying that only God knows how they got into this [nonsense].

They are very much part of this love and peace movement now. So it is working. People from as far as Australia, Asian countries like Sri Lanka, Indian, Bangladesh and even Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia [are watching my videos]. A lot of young people between 17-25 years of age come to listen to my lectures from Saudi Arabia. The good thing is they’re changing and they’re really happy. They say that they never heard such a wonderful interpretation of their religion before. All they heard was aggression, revenge, taking over the world and putting up the flag [of Islam] in Washington DC – and [we told them], ‘No, it is not all about that, my friends!’

H: I’ve met some great people from Saudi Arabia and a couple of them were actually working here at the station. They were awesome.

Y: Good people are everywhere.

H: Exactly! And the stereotypes we hear only cause us to really misunderstand people. People are people no matter where they come from.

Y: There are more good people.

Good people have outnumbered bad people. But the thing is, good people are quiet and the bad people are noisy.

All we hear is the noise so we think, ‘Oh, the world is corrupt; everybody is bad.’ Every bad person is making noise and every good person is sitting quietly.

H: It only takes one bad apple to spoil a whole bunch.

Y: We need to root out that bad apple out!

H: You’re doing the speech every day. So you must always be writing and getting prepared.

Y: No, I don’t do it.

H: So it’s all spontaneous?

Y: It is intuitional and inspirational.

H: So do you know what your next topic will be?

Y: I don’t know, it depends on people. Whatever people ask, I just open my mouth and I speak, honestly.

H: It is probably divinely [inspired].

Y: I don’t know how it happens and where it comes from, but it happens. I speak and speak and they hear it.

H: It was great to have you here always! It has been great to have this conversation. I hope you have a great trip back to the UK and all the best with AlRa TV!

How Emotional Intelligence Affects Every Aspect of Life

When a singer is singing a sad song, he has to feel the pain the words delivered in the song. Happy or humourous songs also have to be sung with emotions; they call it the feeling. In a similar way, when we listen to the news like Sky News, BBC News, CNN etc., we see emotions are involved in the way the newscaster delivers the news. If the news is sad, we see emotions of sadness and sorrow emanating from his face and if it’s good news, he will smile. Now, a doctor’s job is really difficult because every patient that comes to see him brings bad news. The doctor has to be in the same mood, or at least the same emotional state (even if it is fake, he has to show that emotionally he is aware of the situation), and this is emotional intelligence.

What are moral etiquettes? If somebody tells us, ‘my mother died five years ago’, in that moment if we skip saying ‘I am really sorry’, people will be really offended. We need to be aware of these things and have some moral etiquettes, some emotional intelligence and its awareness.

Emotions play a pivotal role in our life. For example, if you see a child who needs milk but his/her parents are unable to provide milk, it will remind you of your own child. When you think about your own child, your emotions will be charged up. In that emotional state, you start to help the child that doesn’t belong to you.

We’re only concerned about ourselves. This should not be the case with a spiritual person. We must observe all spiritual, social and moral etiquettes, so that we do not cause any harm, physical or emotional, to any individual in this world. If somebody looks a bit sad or emotionally down, you should respect his emotional state. Change the way you speak to him every day, be a little more polite with him. This is emotional intelligence.

Emotional Intelligence Crisis

Emotions push you to do good things, however, at the same time, these emotions can backfire.

For example, some Muslims blew up a bomb and many people died. Later on, a Muslim guy is seen showing his anger to somebody in a neighbourhood, somebody watching him may be reminded of the Muslim terrorists, and his emotions will reach their peak. Maybe in that emotional state, that man [watching] can cause any amount of harm to that Muslim guy who is shouting and abusing others. This is how people become outrageous sometimes. Backlashes and hate crimes are the prime examples.

A Kurdish boy was beaten up badly by eight people. He didn’t do anything wrong, he was just Muslim but this happened because so many Muslim terrorists are causing a lot of distress and have become a threat to the national security of many countries of the world. This has become a very sensitive matter and it can happen anytime, anywhere and it is all to do with emotions.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Sikhs – because they grow beards and wear turbans like Muslims – are easily recognisable to Muslims; they can identify them as Sikhs because their turban is different and by the length of their beard, etc. But after 9/11 in Arizona, the Americans who were naive to Islam or Sikhism, when they spotted somebody with a turban and a big beard, they thought the Sikh man was Muslim and killed him. This is an emotional intelligence crisis.

To help stop terrorism, it is not just about deradicalisation, you also have to take care of the emotional intelligence of people so that people do not become outrageous and are able to control their own emotions.

Moral and Societal Values

One important thing in the study of emotional intelligence is moral values and ethical codes.

Morality in this world has different shapes, forms and sources. Some people find moral values from their society.In our society, certain things are allowed and some things are not allowed. For example, in a British town, the societal values will definitely differ from a Pakistani town.

Sometimes the society is deeply and vehemently affected by the religion of the land and its code of conduct; its ethical code and moral values come from the religion. In Pakistan, a woman and a man cannot have a sexual relationship without marriage but in a British town, with consent, adults can enter into a sexual relationship and can even live together. Society here will allow it because it is not against the moral values of British society.

Moral values differ from society to society, because each society has a different source for its moral values. However, sometimes your moral values come neither from any religion nor the society. Sometimes you are the boss and make your own rules. I have heard people saying, ‘In my family, nobody can do this. This is against our family law and tradition.’ Therefore, there is not just one single source of morality.

In order to have precise understanding and awareness of emotional intelligence, we need to first see what moral values we have adopted. Only after determining the source of our moral values can we detect the awareness of emotional intelligence.

You need to find the source. What is it that dictates your emotions? What is it that brings rage and fury in your emotional state? It is your belief system.

Those who are religious, are very difficult and it is very difficult for them to be emotionally intelligent. They are swimming in the ocean of their religion; their mind is messed up. It’s not possible for somebody to be religious and rational at the same time. Religions will always make you irrational.

For example, Muslims in Luton, are carrying banners and saying, ‘we will impose Sharia.’ They’re looking at white women and saying, ‘your dress is not according to Islam.’ She doesn’t practise Islam! Why are you telling her? It is your religion, why are you imposing your religion on others? It simply means your mind is messed up. It is not rationality, is it? But this is the reality. Does a Christian have the same rights in a Muslim country as Muslims have in the west? Muslims are allowed to build their mosques here. Can a Christian man go to Saudi Arabia and do whatever he wants to do according to his religion?

Look at how good this secular system is! You know why they do it? It’s because their mind is not messed up. If people in the west were also very religious, practising Christians, they would behave the same way. But because they are non-practising Christians, their mind is not messed up by the religion hence they behave like human beings. They have generosity, rationality and their own moral codes. Their moral code is: whatever religion somebody practises, they should have the fundamental necessities of life.

Why should we follow a religion when a religion is taking away humanity from human beings? Why do we have this fanatic ideology uprising? Why do we have this extremism spreading like fire? Why is hatred prevailing? Because there is a conflict in morality. The standards you may have, the other person does not have the same standards of moral values.

Your emotional intelligence is directly linked to moral values. Unfortunately, moral values in different societies have different sources therefore what may be a moral act according to you may not be moral to somebody else.

When we talk about morality, our morality is not universal. Our morality is more regional than global. We all have different standards of morality.

Now according to some form of morality, you only hide your private parts. If you are hiding the nipples, your morality is perfect. In most of the secular, moral cultures, women are not allowed to show their nipples, it would be too obscene and immoral. According to liberal Muslims, women can show half their chest. They have accepted it and it has become part of their moral values. Moral values are changing according to secular culture. According to religious culture, moral values are frozen; they have become stagnant. Even the law of the land can shape your moral values. When you are a religious person and your moral values come from religion you do not recognise any other form of morality, which obviously means intolerance is at its peak. You cannot coexist with others in the same society.

Universal morality has to do with tolerance. What you like to do, you should be allowed to do. What others like to do, you shouldn’t be bothered about it.

What is a sin? There are two forms of sins according to a religion. A sin which goes against humanity, you hurt and harm humanity and the other sin which goes against you, which hurts and harms you. Those that hurt and harm you are of less implication. A sin that involves others, causes pain, hurt and harm to others, that is severity. That is to be stopped.

Do not try to impose your beliefs on others. Let everybody live their life the way they want to live it.

Emotional Intelligence and God

When God has emotional intelligence, then why don’t people who follow a religion have it?

The reason is God doesn’t follow the same religion. God’s religion is different. His religion is love. The problem is, he only practises his religion with those that practise his religion: The religion of love.

These religions that have been established by prophets and messengers, the standard of morality these religions render to its followers very much depends on the society at the time these religions were established. What was the standard of religious morality in those times when Prophet Mohammad came to the peninsula of Arab? What was the standard of morality at the time when Jesus came to Jerusalem? You will see a slight improvement in the standard of morality after the religion introduced its moral values. If you want to compare the standards of morality now with the standards back then, you will fall back. The standard of morality in those days was really strict. This was about the religion and followers of the religions.

However in all eras, in all ages, whoever was introduced to the knowledge of spirituality, the knowledge of eminence, their emotional intelligence equalled the intelligence of God. They didn’t pick up their moral values from the religion, they picked it up from spirituality. The standard of spiritual values is vast. They embrace and forgive anyone. Most of the irregular things in this world according to moral values are okay for Sufis. No damage is done. You can do what you want to do as long as you don’t hurt others.

This should be the case with everybody today. Allow everybody to do what they want to do. There is a voice within everybody that guides them and tells them not to do wrong, no matter what religion they practise. Even atheists who don’t practise any religion or believe in God, do not want to sleep with their sisters or mothers. Why don’t they do it? Because these are basic principles and natural human instincts.

‘We are civilised people who respect humanity. We cannot be cowed by lunatics who practise the hateful ideology of death.’

Younus AlGohar

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Younus AlGohar explains what a true Sufi is and how a true Sufi is recognised. He discusses why giving this information to the common public led many fake Sufis and religious clerics to oppose His Divine Eminence Gohar Shahi.

Main points:

– In order to preserve a religion, you need to spiritualise it. Religion without spirituality becomes a monster. Every religion when the spiritual system within that religion was destroyed, was made subject to great violence in the name of the religion and God. God granted every messenger two types of knowledge. One is knowledge that deals with exterior cleanliness and rituals of the religion. The other knowledge is the core of religion: knowledge which awakens your soul, enlightens your heart and purifies your ego. His Divine Eminence Gohar Shahi declared, ‘The exterior form of knowledge without accompanying the interior knowledge is a great mischief.’

– HDE Gohar Shahi is the super spiritual scientist. HDE Gohar Shahi doesn’t simply tell you what to do; rather, he tells you the consequences and benefits of doing something. He tells you what knowledge will benefit your souls. He is a bold critic on contemporary religious practices all over the world.

– HDE Gohar Shahi explains how to recognise a true Sufi. HDE Gohar Shahi explains that only a thief will recognise a thief and in a similar way, only is a saint is spiritually capable of recognising another another saint of God. Nevertheless, HDE Gohar Shahi gives common people to criteria through which they can test to see if someone is appointed by God. All you need to do is ask your spiritual mentor to initiate your heart into spirituality (grant you Opening of the Spiritual Heart); if he can make your Spiritual Heart engage in remembrance of God, he is a true Sufi.

– In countries like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, there are many fake Sufis who con innocent people out of their wealth. These are people who claim to be Sufis but they do not have the power to initiate anyone’s heart into spirituality; they have not purified their ego or reached any stage of enlightenment. When HDE Gohar Shahi came, he told people the criteria to recognise a true Sufi so many of these fake Sufis were exposed. His Divine Eminence Gohar Shahi does not advise people to be religious, but rather spiritual. HDE Gohar Shahi’s presence and teachings caused a revolution in the minds and hearts of people; they began to recognise the fake Sufis and ignorant religious clerics for who they really were. HDE Gohar Shahi’s teachings pose a threat to all those who sell the religion and loot unsuspecting people. Therefore, the religious clerics and fake Sufis from all sects in Pakistan united in opposition of HDE Gohar Shahi.

– It was not just religious clerics and fake Sufis who turned against HDE Gohar Shahi. The police, politicians, army, secret services, thieves and custom officers across Pakistan also became part of the alliance against HDE Gohar Shahi. This was because HDE Gohar Shahi was exposing the corruption in Pakistani society and inviting people to obtain enlightenment so that corruption could be eradicated. He wanted to introduce people to spiritual and moral culture. Journalism in Pakistan too became a disinformation cell against HDE Gohar Shahi. Because the common public in Pakistan had been told a great bundle of lies about HDE Gohar Shahi, we ask those who oppose HDE Gohar Shahi based on hearsay to study Him and His teachings for themselves.

In its October issue, Asia Today published an article by Younus AlGohar. In the article entitled ‘Does Islam Promote Terrorism?’ he reveals how terrorist organisations emerged from the Muslim world. It was originally posted on Younus AlGohar’s Medium page.

The Asia Today is a monthly publication which is tailored for the South Asian community. It is based in Arizona, USA. Read its October issue here.

Younus AlGohar responds to radical anti-Muslims on Twitter and explains the truth about Islam and how it has been distorted today.

Main points:

– Every religion has a time limit on it, an expiry date. When a certain religion expires, what is happening today under the banner of Islam is exactly what happens. Some people just want to denounce Islam and some other people keep on saying terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Both are wrong: Islam when it was founded by Prophet Mohammad was not the same Islam as we see today.

– If a religion is not making you holy, that religion is not holy anymore. Today the problems we have in the world are because of these religions after they expired. When religions were founded and the spiritual systems were intact, they were helping people out and responsible for reviving human values in human beings. However, now these religions are bringing the worst out of everybody.

– There was a time when Judaism was the truth. Then there was a time when Christianity was the truth. There was a time when Islam was the truth. When truth separated itself from the religions, these religions became monstrous. We defend the original Islam which did not mean any harm to anybody. We condemn the Islam practised by Wahhabis and ISIS.

– To collect the Quran in the form of a book was never in God’s or Prophet Mohammad’s plan. Therefore many verses in the Quran we have today have already been abrogated by God. The original Quran was revealed onto the heart of Prophet Mohammad; therefore only Prophet Mohammad, the recipient of the Quran, would be notified of any changes. It would not be made public knowledge necessarily. There are two Quran: the Esoteric Quran and the Exoteric Quran. Esoteric Quran has everything to do with God and Prophet Mohammad. This Exoteric Quran has nothing to do with either Prophet Mohammad or God.

– The apocalyptic forecast of Prophet Mohammad regarding the end times has been heavily modified by Wahhabis. The concept of Imam Mehdi has been modified and they have begotten a new theory of hatred. They have given an unreal, false story of the worldwide caliph who will supposedly rule the entire world and turn everybody into Muslims.

There are more atheists in England than there are Christians for the first time in history. What is the reason?

For the first time in the history of England and Wales, the graph of atheists has gone higher than those who believe in Christianity and God.

The reason behind this is that the religion is not able to connect people to God.

When they call upon God, they do not receive help from God and the practice of religion is not benefiting them at all. Due to the lack of connection with God, people are distancing themselves from religion and God.

Then, they have seen what religious people are doing. Religion has been dragged through the mire by the actions of religious people.

Whether they’re Christians, Hindus, Muslims, it is so ironical and sad that people who represent religion today are not trustworthy.

The practice of religion is not benefiting anybody; rather it is polluting hearts of people and making divisions among human beings.

Therefore, when you don’t reap benefits of any faith that your practise, at the end of the day, you ask yourself, ‘Why should I waste my time and restrict myself from so many good things that I am not allowed to do by the religion?’

So this is happening because spirituality has become extinct in Christianity, as it has with Islam. The impact of this is different for the two religions: Christians do not have spirituality today, so they are becoming atheists and Muslims do not have spirituality today, so they are becoming terrorists.

It is about the ideology, it is not about individuals.

The filth will stay in this world as long as the ideology of filth is there. Any philosophy or ideology that generates violence, hatred, killing, turns you against humanity or motivates you to kill people is unholy. It cannot come from God.

It is so unholy to attribute terrorism to God. God doesn’t support terrorism. Although terrorism is being supported in the house of God, God is not a participant.

Many people across social media are now passing derogatory remarks about Prophet Mohammad and this trend is on the rise. What do you have to say about this?

The way I look at it is different.

If you say, ‘Prophet Mohammad is bad and Moses, Jesus and Adam are good,’ it doesn’t serve the purpose because it is God who sent all of them. God sent Adam, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad. So don’t think just because you are Christian, that your prophet is good and their prophet is bad.

If you say, ‘Their prophet is bad,’ you’re distancing yourself from God the same way as you would have, had you been going against your own prophet. They all come from God.

If you say, ‘The Muslim God is bad,’ what do you mean? God is only one. There are different names in different religions, but God is one. There is not such thing as the Muslim, Christian, or Hindu God.

How do we properly raise our children with the teachings of Lord Ra Riaz Gohar Shahi?

You should tell your kids, ‘They’re all good. Christianity, Hinduism and Islam are from God, so don’t think anybody is your enemy. Do not hate anybody.’

Teach your children this one point and at the very least, they will become tolerant. Just due to their tolerance, people will appreciate the way they have been raised.

Lord Ra Riaz’s main teachings are, simply put, to not hate anybody; to love all. You should love God and humanity; don’t hate anybody. Everybody is God’s creation: don’t think bad of anyone. If a Hindu and a Sikh go to their temples, that is alright. If a Christian goes to the Church, that is fine too.

To cool down a very hot room, we need to open some windows. When there is radicalised community living in the area (and the youth is getting radicalised), we need to promote Sufi thoughts which will dilute it. – Younus AlGohar

There have been, more or less, 124 000 prophets sent by God, out of which five were messengers. These five messengers were those upon whose hearts God revealed knowledge. They established religions. Every messenger out of these five were given two types of knowledge: knowledge of the exterior (outer dimension of the religion) and knowledge of the interior (inner dimension of the religion).

The inner dimension of the religion was responsible for connecting people to God, whereas the exterior knowledge was about to how to live your life in perfect harmony and social balance. There were certain provisions: certain acts were declared to be permissible and certain acts were not permitted. If somebody acted on those that were not permitted, they would be called a sinner.

As long as people who followed a religion practised both dimensions of the religion, they were devout religious people and they were connected with God.

At the same time, they observed their religion with its true spirit. They did not go beyond the limits set by God.

Once the religion was deprived of the interior knowledge, people got scattered into different groups and denominations.

At the time of Prophet Mohammad, when Prophet Mohammad was talking about sectarianism within Islam, he mentioned that there were 72 different sects in Judaism. then Prophet Mohammad said that in his nation, there would be 73 sects. Prophet Mohammad explained, ‘Only one group will be rightly guided. Those who will be rightly guided are those who would strictly adhere to my inner and outer custom.’

So there have been fanatic and extremist elements in every religion, including Hinduism and Christianity. When the Ottoman Empire was crushed and the control of Spain was gained by the Christian hierarchy, the Christian extremists were on their peak. There was an element of extremism and fanaticism in Christianity also.

Then, in Judaism, there had been 72 different sects. The mainstream Jews, unfortunately, did not adhere themselves to the inner dimension of the religion. The inner dimension of Islam is Sufism; in a similar way, in Judaism, Sufis are known as Kabbalists.

The knowledge of the inner in Judaism is called Kabbalah. Those who follow Kabbalah are very nice, good people. They love everybody.

In Islam, Sufis love everybody, they don’t hate anybody. Then again, we have fanatics and extremists in Islam, called Wahhabis. In a similar way, there extremists in Judaism. They do not follow Kabbalah; rather, they hate those Jews who follow Kabbalah. Wahhabis do not follow Sufism; they are those who hate Sufis.

Zionists are those who, within Judaism, are extremists and fanatics. They want an upper hand financially, politically and in any other way they might have conceived themselves. Zionists are not true Jews; they are like Wahhabis.

Zionists, Wahhabis and Protestants are like brothers and sisters to each other, if they are not cousins.

I do not know [about this], but I heard from somebody that some groups among Jews say that they are still waiting for the Promised Land to be given to them. When it is said to them, ‘Israel is your country, is it not the land you were promised?’ They say, ‘It is ruled by Zionists.’ So, mainstream Jews who follow Kabbalah are not welcome in Israel.

Those who follow Kabbalah, the inner dimension of Judaism, are not welcome in that state. So, most of the people politically involved there are Zionists, not Jews.

I read news that 50 000 Jews blocked Manhattan in New York City, and they were protesting against Israel. Can we safely that representation of Jews will come from Israel? Do you think Israel legitimately represents mainstream Jews who follow Kabbalah, or is it more or less a Zionist country?

I have seen Jews who were protesting against Israel, against killing of Palestinian Muslims.

I spent some time in Manchester with Jews, who are wonderful people. There is nothing wrong with them. The real Jews do not hate anybody. The only thing that I observed among the Jews who lived in Manchester was that that they are very strict in their sacred law, more strict than Muslims are. However, no matter how strict they were in their sacred law, they were not fanatics. They didn’t say, ‘We are the only children of God and the rest should be killed.’ They didn’t want to hurt or harm anybody.

Therefore, whenever I say anything in favour of Judaism, I mean to praise people who follow Kabbalah. They are wonderful people.

Those who create mischief, no matter what religion they come from, they are mischief. Love and peace cannot befriend people who represent mischief.

Those who want love of God and global peace can be from any religion and may represent any religion. We extend our friendship, love and everything we have to them. They are our brothers and fellow human beings.

However, those who are fanatics, whether they are extremists in Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism or Islam, we cannot befriend them.

About the Author

Younus AlGohar is the Representative of the Awaited One Lord Ra Riaz Gohar Shahi and CEO of Messiah Foundation International. He has been recognised as an Ambassador of Peace and Man of Valour. He is an advocate of divine love and interfaith harmony.