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Modern Stupidity

You have a closer who sits on the bench while an inferior reliver loses a game.
The opportunities to win games are not that prevalent. The closer should pitch with the score tied. Who knows when you get another opportunity, why pay millions for a closer and watch Weathers lose a game.

Re: Modern Stupidity

Originally Posted by redsupport

You have a closer who sits on the bench while an inferior reliver loses a game.
The opportunities to win games are not that prevalent. The closer should pitch with the score tied. Who knows when you get another opportunity, why pay millions for a closer and watch Weathers lose a game.

Modern day insanity, older closers used to pitch in tie games

Who was going to score for us? Better to save CoCo for tomorrow.

Dusty isn't the problem right now. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better.

Re: Modern Stupidity

No, it's bad baseball if you use the closer for a tie game. Because then, what happens if Coco goes two innings, we get the lead in the top of the 12th inning, who's closing for us? Uh oh! Modern day insanity, older closers used to close the game out! What a concept! No, you save your closer for when you really need and don't unnecessarily tax your best arm. You need to learn that first before you criticize a Major League manager.

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Reds record while I was in attendance in 2007: 2-0
Reds record while I'm in attendance in 2008: 0-1
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Re: Modern Stupidity

Weathers threw 7 pitches to get through the first inning. That's why Dusty let him stay in. So far, the only glaring mistake I've seen Dusty do is put Castro in the two-hole the other night. Another possible mistake are letting Harang throw too many pitches in his second outing. I don't like to see pitchers throwing more than a hundred pitches until their third or fourth outing.

Re: Modern Stupidity

Originally Posted by BoCcc2832

No, it's bad baseball if you use the closer for a tie game. Because then, what happens if Coco goes two innings, we get the lead in the top of the 12th inning, who's closing for us? Uh oh! Modern day insanity, older closers used to close the game out! What a concept! No, you save your closer for when you really need and don't unnecessarily tax your best arm. You need to learn that first before you criticize a Major League manager.

You don't get to that situation 2 innings later if you lose the game now.

Re: Modern Stupidity

David Weathers is a fine pitcher, who if you haven't noticed, hasn't lost any velocity on his fastball in the past few years. He can still hit 88 mph and can still beat the best of them. Last year, he was our closer and would still be if it weren't for the signing of Cordero. So to criticize a manager who didn't watch the team, but knows how well Weathers pitched last year and has confidence in that player to put him in the tough situation is ludicrous. Weathers breezed through the ninth inning and there was initially no inclination that he would lose it in the next inning. As they say, hindsight is 20/20...I think putting Weathers out there for the tenth was the right move and I stand by Dusty's decision.

Reds record while I was in attendance in 2006: 7-2
Reds record while I was in attendance in 2007: 2-0
Reds record while I'm in attendance in 2008: 0-1
"I wish the stadium was filled up every night." - Bronson Arroyo, Cincinnati Enquirer - February 9, 2007

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