Well, my M2 expires on July 15th. I have a test book for the following week, on July 22nd.

Has anyone done this road test at the ministry? I got my M2 via the training course I took, so I'm kinda weary of going to the DMV. Should I follow the instructions in those cheap manuals to a tee?

Any advise is appreciated.

Thanks.

Z-gixxa

07-08-2003, 05:36 PM

If you follow the manual you should have no problems,just make sure you look paranoid at lights and every time you stop,even if the road is empty and you know it is,shoulder check every time you come to a stop,both sides.Plus something very important nobody on a sport bike does,don't coast to a stop,always stay in gear and downshift as you slow down untill you're in first when you stop,the rest is pretty much common sens,good luck http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

2wicked

07-08-2003, 05:36 PM

Actually the more tire smoldering, and wheel stands you can do will really impress them. Thanks, Richard http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Hatthi

07-08-2003, 06:33 PM

If you can get the test done by a school. They're much better and explain more. I got my M2 at a rider training course and they also offer the M2 exit test. They are much better at explaining what to do and aren't as uptight as the ministry.Keep your head up. When you change lanes signal first and then check the blinspot before changing lanes. You've gotta be anal about EVERYTHING with the ministry boys.Good luck!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Ouldsmobile

07-08-2003, 07:40 PM

Wouldn't you need to do the test BEFORE your M2 expires?? I was under the impression that you had start from scratch if you let your M2 expire? Just curious as I need to get me M still myself. Not a flame or anything.

Knight2211

07-08-2003, 08:45 PM

OuldA4 said:

Wouldn't you need to do the test BEFORE your M2 expires?? I was under the impression that you had start from scratch if you let your M2 expire? Just curious as I need to get me M still myself. Not a flame or anything.

This is exactly what I was going to say, do they know that it expires the week before your test? Cause legally, you can't ride on the road to do you test after the 15th......

I hope I am wrong.......... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

mike91 1216

07-09-2003, 01:08 AM

not if they are so backed up,that they cant fit you in before you expire...thats how it has been since the strike..that really fucked things up.....

Knight2211

07-09-2003, 07:25 AM

mike91 1216 said:

not if they are so backed up,that they cant fit you in before you expire...thats how it has been since the strike..that really fucked things up.....

Ok, good to hear, a guy that I work with had the same sort of thing a couple of years ago with getting his M2, they weren't able to get him booked in to do his test with in the time period, at least not somewhere with in a 150 mile radius, and they made him start from scratch. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Liu Kang

07-09-2003, 08:12 AM

You have to have the test BOOKED before it expires.

Once it's booked, you can get a temporary permit from the ministry for the time between the expiry and the test.

If I fail the test, I'm in trouble... back to M1 http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Knight2211

07-09-2003, 08:31 AM

Lui Kang said:

You have to have the test BOOKED before it expires.

Once it's booked, you can get a temporary permit from the ministry for the time between the expiry and the test.

If I fail the test, I'm in trouble... back to M1 http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Good to hear that your time's not up, good luck, all I can say is relax, stay calm and whip that mother f***ing test. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

princessgixxer

07-09-2003, 09:44 AM

Where can I go in the Mississauga area to book my M2-exit?

Knight2211

07-09-2003, 09:51 AM

princessgixxer said:

Where can I go in the Mississauga area to book my M2-exit?

Don't they still have the big centre on Airport, just south of Steels? (Used to live pretty close to there and that is the only one I can think of)

CrazyCanuk

07-09-2003, 12:44 PM

when i took mine they were looking for a couple things

1) ride with you lane protected eg closer to the inside rather than running close to the side of the road

2) don't go too slow... I asked them when i got there what most people fail from.... that was it ... going too slow especially on the expressway BUT DONT SPEED EITHER

3) don't ride with only one hand (trust me they don't like that http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

4) you'll have to do an emergancy stop.... that just means they'll tell you to pull over (use you turn signals) turn the bike off and put the kick stand down get off walk around the bike... then they'll tell you to go again....

5) they didn't ask me about hand signals....

what they did for me was give me a head set... which almost fits in your helmet http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif then they (2 of them) follow you in a car.... one drives the other tells you where to go and marks your score...

I lucked out... had a really cool girl.... asked her if she got to ride on the back... she laughed and said no.... after that she lightn'd up and everything was good....

good luck and were your gear.... don't think they like it when people show up in a t shirt and shorts ..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

karl_1052

07-15-2003, 01:03 PM

Things I have heard to watch out for.

leave it in gear at lights
never shift gears in an intersection
make obvious shoulder checks
when you park your bike, park it parrallel ro the curb(not backed in, like everyone does)
always have your foot on the brake at stoplights

nutbar

07-16-2003, 01:37 PM

Lui Kang said:

Well, my M2 expires on July 15th. I have a test book for the following week, on July 22nd.

Has anyone done this road test at the ministry? I got my M2 via the training course I took, so I'm kinda weary of going to the DMV. Should I follow the instructions in those cheap manuals to a tee?

Any advise is appreciated.

Thanks.

Well, you've already got your test booked, and your M2 is about to expire (btw, you can redo your M1 exit test, and maybe a written test again I think and requalify for your M2, and you do NOT have to wait another 2 years to do the M2 exit test!), so you're left with very few options here...

However, if you fail (there's about a 70% chance you will) your test with the MTO, book a test with the Ottawa Saftey Council. It costs about $400, so it's not cheap, but you get a weekend of training on what NOT to do for the test, and then they turn around and act as your actual testing instructors (they are licenced by the MTO to give real tests). The good part is - they train you on EXACTLY what they're going to be looking for in the test, and when they test you, there's that personal bonding thingy you've got to your advantage - even though they do say they are strict.

I took their M1 test which gave me my M2, and the test was NOT the MTO test (it was like 500 times easier) and the people were absolutely great. It cost me like $300 but was completely worth every penny.

The course is usually booked way in advance though, so if you fail, redo your M1 exit asap to get your M2 again, and then call up Ottawa Saftey Council (http://www.motorcyclecourse.ca/) to see when you can book your M2 exit test - probably not until next year, but at least you'll be booked!

Their passing rate is currently at 100% (except for idiots who need to be kicked out for showing off, wheelies and crap http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif), compared to the 30% pass rate with the MTO - $400 is worth a passing grade the first time around, no? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Liu Kang

07-16-2003, 02:07 PM

I wanted to book with the safety council, but it's booked for the entire year, NOTHING available.

Problem is, my initial M2 is expired, so if I fail the test, I think I have to start from scratch again... I can't just 'redo' my M1 exit, can I?

I need to go to the DMV tomorrow and figure something out... I'll let you konw what I find out.

Knight2211

07-16-2003, 02:59 PM

Lui Kang said:
so if I fail the test, I think I have to start from scratch again... I can't just 'redo' my M1 exit, can I?

You start from scratch. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Liu Kang

07-16-2003, 03:20 PM

K, well, I'm gonna get an extension -- I called the safety council, and they have an in-class session for $70 that helps you prep for the road test.

I'm taking it July 28th and 30th, so I'll move my road test to August. Should be fine http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm not worried about my abilities, but let's face it -- they test you on stupid stuff.

nutbar

07-17-2003, 01:48 AM

I don't think your M2 just expires and there's nothing you can do. My G1 that I got 5 years ago expires on the 15th (but not any more since I have my M2 which gives me a G1 automatically), and the MTO sent me this lovely paper in the mail (which still stated I had my M1 from *THREE* years ago on it!)...

Class M2 driver's licence
- Option 1: To retain your M2 driver's licence, you must:
* pass an M1 road test
* pay the applicable fees (blah blah - $50 for 5 years) OR PASS AN MTO APPROVED course, which means taking the Ottawa Saftey Councils' "Gearing Up" which I took for $300 and the test is way easier - depends on how comfortable you are with the MTO M1 exit test. Doing the figure 8 around those cones on yer 750 could prove a bit tricky if you aren't steady at low speeds.

- Option 2: To obtain your M driver's licence, you must:
* pass an M2 road test
* pay the applicable fees (blah blah - $50 for 5 years) OR PASS AN MTO APPROVED course, which would be the course that's booked for the entire year http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif BTW, My old roommate ran in to this problem too - he booked it with the Saftey Council out in Kingston. He had to drive out there and camp over the weekend, but it wasn't as booked as the Ottawa course.

So, yah, if your M2 is about to expire, go do the M1 exit test asap and get your M2 again.

I'm still amazed you waited 5 years to do your M! Only reason my G1 is expiring is because I rarely had a car to drive, and my parallel parking is horrid http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif.

Oh, and if you call the MTO to find out if what I sited above is really true or not - if someone says no it isn't, tell them to stfu and I can give you a photocopy of the paper I have from them stating everything in writing (form "mto25b" dated 12/1998 titled "Notice of Novice Driver's Licence Expiry").

Sorry if I scared ya with the 70% failure rate! I hope you pass the test, but just figured I'd let you know the stats so if you DO fail, you don't feel so bad http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

nutbar

07-17-2003, 01:56 AM

Oh, and the big bonus you get if your licence expires and you have to redo any part of it - your waiting period continues from where you left off if you pick up within 5 years I think.

Eg, when I first wrote my M1 3 years ago (almost 4 now I think), I let it expire since the bike I had at the time "expired" before the 3 months, so I had no reason to get my M2 at the time since I had no bike.

When I re-wrote my M1 this year, they told me that as soon as I had my M2 papers, I could bring it in to get my M2 - no 60 day minimum waiting period because I had already done that with my first M1. There were other people I spoke to in similar situations who were told the same thing, so I'm pretty sure it's the truth.

I'd assume that the same thing applies for your M2, so if your M2 expires and you failed your M2 exit, you have to wait a week I think (there's a minimum waiting period from when you fail a test to when you can re-do the test again) and you would re-write your M1 written test, then you could instantly book your M1 exit test and do it, pass, and have your M2 again.

But yea, if your licence expires before you can book a test, you have to start from scratch - at least minus the stupid waiting game, which makes it a bit more reasonable.

Liu Kang

07-17-2003, 09:53 AM

Well, I just got back from the DMV, I asked the guy "if I fail next week, do I have to start from scratch?"

He said "No, but you have to wait 10 days to try for your M again. During that 10 day period, you'll have no licence whatsoever."

So I'm not worried. He also gave me the 3 things that will ensure I pass: 1) shoulder check, 2) lane positioning, 3) don't speed. This guy was also one of the dudes who follows you in a car during the test -- very nice guy and quite helpful.

Knight2211

07-17-2003, 09:58 AM

Lui Kang said:
He said "No, but you have to wait 10 days to try for your M again. During that 10 day period, you'll have no licence whatsoever."

Did he say how many times they will give you the 10 day thing?

Liu Kang

07-17-2003, 10:07 AM

Knight2211 said:
Did he say how many times they will give you the 10 day thing?

I didn't ask. I'm not planning on taking it a second time, let alone a third http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

nutbar

07-17-2003, 10:36 AM

Let us know how it goes - I'm really curious as to just how whip-crackin' anal these MTO testers are. I've heard so many stories of people failing http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

Liu Kang

07-17-2003, 10:47 AM

nutbar said:
Let us know how it goes - I'm really curious as to just how whip-crackin' anal these MTO testers are. I've heard so many stories of people failing http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

Likewise, but I know A LOT of bad riders too. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif