Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

Slaves are allowed only beads or company scrip. As such it becomes a freedom of speech issue, of course the officers of the court have issues with that, because they tell you only they can redefine the meaning of any word or groups of words as they see fit.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

Slaves are allowed only beads or company scrip. As such it becomes a freedom of speech issue, of course the officers of the court have issues with that, because they tell you only they can redefine the meaning of any word or groups of words as they see fit.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308862

I find you guilty of thinking without permission.

Five years at hard labor and food only bread and water.

That will fix your attitude problem.

Quoting: Terrrocrat 590644

No way, I'm already dead. If your plans revolve around you always surviving, your plans will fail. One must eventually stand for what's right or ones doomed to return until one does.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

So it's illegal to make a personal currency?So would stores that offer in store credit be breaking the law?I'm so confused.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1100729

the thing about in store credit and gift cards is that in many states they are covered by "escheat laws" and if unclaimed for a certain period of time the state takes a big cut of that money

but either way those are still based in US dollars and sales tax is still charged, and in store credits are still accounted for under GAAP in terms of USD

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292333

Sorry but I for one no longer accept rationale that I dont agree with, from people who have a financial interest in forcing me to do things their way for their benefit. Any time you automatically accept the opposition as the final authority and ultimately entitled to make the rules to their satisfaction you will never win against them. The only remaining discussion is how fast you will lose the game.At some point someone forgot that they were appointed as public 'servants'. The real problem is the public serant sector has a different culture from what used to be the public culture. As culture is a unique perception of reality, no two seperate cultures may coexist for long, one will win and one will die.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

There is no law against private money in the USA (so long as you aren't trying to counterfeit actual US dollars). This is intimidation. The law says US currency is to be used for DEBTS public and private. This is to make the debt/bond market stable and attractive to foreign investors. No one has to accept US dollars/coins at the retail level. Retail sales are a contract. The contract can be for two things of value.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308457

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486

§ 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

So it's illegal to make a personal currency?So would stores that offer in store credit be breaking the law?I'm so confused.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1100729

the thing about in store credit and gift cards is that in many states they are covered by "escheat laws" and if unclaimed for a certain period of time the state takes a big cut of that money

but either way those are still based in US dollars and sales tax is still charged, and in store credits are still accounted for under GAAP in terms of USD

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292333

Of course looking at the big picture, the stores and all businesses are themselves creatures of the state, and because of this, a portion of their proceeds goes back to the state as a tribute.

They are such because they were granted a "permit" to do business so therefore the state sees them as their own to do with as they see fit, to tax, to promote or destroy as it chooses.

Of course a person or business can choose NOT to get a permit and do business without it, but then if the state learns of it the business will be destroyed and the owner will be put in jail.

So you give the state your compliance to rule over you and your affairs, or you can choose not to. If you choose the latter then you will be destroyed. THAT is what the state sees as "freedom", you have the freedom to submit or be destroyed.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

All this talk about my freedom being taken away is terrifying me. Bunch of terrorists, don't you have anything else to do instead of being terrorists? Just get back in line and go back to work. Pick a religion too if it strikes fear into your heart.

Its so easy, wake up every morning and go to work. Don't worry there will be hardly any time for yourself so you don't do anything a terrorist would do like think human- err terrorizing thoughts. Just work until you die, its easy! You get occupied and meanwhile you are working to sustain our precious economy that rapes, pillages, destroys and pollutes our home and everyone on it at the same time. What? That's not a good thing? What are you, a terrorist? It's either us or the planet silly, you should stop thinking so much- here have a coupon for 50% off on your next purchase at SEARS.

What? What do you mean what about your next of kin? who ca- oh don't worry we will establish even more laws and rules to keep him safe.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

There is no law against private money in the USA (so long as you aren't trying to counterfeit actual US dollars). This is intimidation. The law says US currency is to be used for DEBTS public and private. This is to make the debt/bond market stable and attractive to foreign investors. No one has to accept US dollars/coins at the retail level. Retail sales are a contract. The contract can be for two things of value.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308457

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486

§ 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307268

Is that so? I didnt vote for it. Once I start giving up authority over myself to someone that cares not for me or mine, and seeks only to enrich himself and limit me in my home am I not dead already?Plenty of law not based on constitutional justice. So what?You DO realize you're not gonna live forever, right?The only way the PTB can balance their oh so precious p&l books it to confiscate all the value in the country for themselves and dispose permanently and efficiently of any that may feel they or their heirs have any claim to it?

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486

§ 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307268

Thanks for the link in law; I know I have it somewhere but could not find it on my computer.

There is a file out there found in multiple places that also sheds some light on the general topic.

Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

There is no law against private money in the USA (so long as you aren't trying to counterfeit actual US dollars). This is intimidation. The law says US currency is to be used for DEBTS public and private. This is to make the debt/bond market stable and attractive to foreign investors. No one has to accept US dollars/coins at the retail level. Retail sales are a contract. The contract can be for two things of value.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308457

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486

§ 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307268

Is that so? I didnt vote for it. Once I start giving up authority over myself to someone that cares not for me or mine, and seeks only to enrich himself and limit me in my home am I not dead already?Plenty of law not based on constitutional justice. So what?You DO realize you're not gonna live forever, right?The only way the PTB can balance their oh so precious p&l books it to confiscate all the value in the country for themselves and dispose permanently and efficiently of any that may feel they or their heirs have any claim to it?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308862

It doesn't matter if you voted for it, or were even alive when it was voted on. That's how law works. The post I replied to said that there was no law -- and that is simply untrue. I don't support this law, but it does exist. Pretending it doesn't exist is silly, and evidence of ignorance.

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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

There is no law against private money in the USA (so long as you aren't trying to counterfeit actual US dollars). This is intimidation. The law says US currency is to be used for DEBTS public and private. This is to make the debt/bond market stable and attractive to foreign investors. No one has to accept US dollars/coins at the retail level. Retail sales are a contract. The contract can be for two things of value.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308457

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 25 > § 486

§ 486. Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307268

Is that so? I didnt vote for it. Once I start giving up authority over myself to someone that cares not for me or mine, and seeks only to enrich himself and limit me in my home am I not dead already?Plenty of law not based on constitutional justice. So what?You DO realize you're not gonna live forever, right?The only way the PTB can balance their oh so precious p&l books it to confiscate all the value in the country for themselves and dispose permanently and efficiently of any that may feel they or their heirs have any claim to it?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308862

It doesn't matter if you voted for it, or were even alive when it was voted on. That's how law works. The post I replied to said that there was no law -- and that is simply untrue. I don't support this law, but it does exist. Pretending it doesn't exist is silly, and evidence of ignorance.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307268

There is no law where there is no concern for rights of the governed. Somewhere you have left the legitimate concerns of the governed behind, most likely to make yourself an asset to the ptb by allying yourself to them and not your neighbor. Through out history the battle has been by one group to place a net of subservience over others and through control and theft, profit by it. One cannot combat corruption by following corrupt processes. One combats it by not supporting the enemy