11. 26 KIX TPE EG211 1035 1220 or CX565 1115 1310Taipei 101 sighting early afternoon on Friday, then leg in Taipei with TBC to avoid having to go below 3 teams 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE in 21 Days

I split your post apskips and I hope you don't mind but, I was just thinking that we need a separate thread to discuss the timeline.

(thanks to Slowhatch)Littman: *"The countries are very exotic," Littman says. *"We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up."*The show will will do two fewer episodes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement.not confirmed:**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd**...originally filming was set to start in another start on July 7thgeorgiapeach confirms:I have been informed that TAR 12 completed filming on or before August 3 -- and yes, I trust this information 100%.

It is always possible that our starting tip re the dates is wrong--and they started a couple of days later, but I do NOT believe LA was the originating city. But if we assume only one location (start city and first task city) prior to the LAX flight to Ireland, that may help the timeline.

Could Girdwood be the final city? Maybe....but it works so much better from what we know of the tasks there if that is the next-to-last city.

I would still suspect one other location between BF and Dubrovnik, although I am hoping for NOT Europe and dsomewhere more exotic.

I agree with the need for 2 locations between Dubrovnik and Girdwood.

So now what?? More ideas? I vote for more legs!

Logged

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

peach and I were going over this last night and came up with a scenario~

For the timeline to work out, I think my source was guessing here and with good reason that I can't reveal. Anyway we're leaning towards the 7th/8th as the start per Wamgirl

Quote

To add some more details to my TAR spotting in July...We were in the international terminal in LAX on July 8, 2007, at 2 pm PST. I have no idea what airline they were flying or when, but I assume they had awhile, because they weren't flying out of one of the immediate gates around us, and they were wandering around other areas looking for guidebooks and people who would trade euros with them. They did spend a lot of time across the way with a college kid who had a laptop and they were looking things up on it. I was just out of earshot though, so couldn't overhear anything. That's all I have...sorry

per puddin

Quote

not confirmed:**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd**...originally filming was set to start in another start on July 7th

I still think there is one more city before LAX with a departure date July 3-5...but that's pure speculation.

But after exhaustive work, I can tell you that kogs, Slowhatch and I have found NO evidence that the teams were ever in LA itself--so I still think they were coming from another location and transiting LAX only.

And so far I can also pretty much say that the teams did not use Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Baltimore, or Boston airports either.

The "other" start may have been a smokescreen and that may have been for Boston. There was a huge surge of spoiler info for Boston in early July with some reservations/car arrangements actually made and cancelled. There is however, absolutely NO permit evidence for Boston or the highways around the airport. I think this was purely a smokescreen for the actual start city.

While I have not ruled out O'Hare, Chicago itself has also been ruled out.

Note again that (for example) Boston refers ONLY to Boston proper, and does not rule other outlying towns--and the same for all the other locations mentioned.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2007, 02:32:54 PM by georgiapeach »

Logged

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

I want to offer this updated approximate timeline of AR12 from what is known right now:

July 2 or 3 departure from U.S., maybe to someplace in Latin America, maybe direct to Belize City

July 5 in Belize City

July 6-7 somewhere in Latin America

July 8 in Los Angeles International Airport for flight to Ireland

July 10 fly Dublin to Amsterdam

July 13 fly CDG to Ouagadougou

July 14-18 UNKNOWN

July 18 to 20 Dubrovnik

July 20 don't know but suspect Vilnius, Lithuania

July 22 to 29 UNKNOWN

July 29 Girdwood, Alaska

August ? Final city in lower 48

Now, the most interesting thing about the above is that 9 places are already identified or their geography and rough time is bounded. If you believe public statements made by CBS, there will be 11 elimination points maximum if there are 13 teams starting AR12. What happens to the other time? do they take a week off before continuing to Alaksa? What do you think?

July 14 - 18 Unknown. But could be taken up with a stop in Prague or Romania before going on to Dubrovnik. (By the way a wonderful place to spend more than a few hours, in fact the entire coast of Croatia is a must see for you all one of these days.)

The other big gap - July 22 to 29 - allows time for teams to proceed somewhere into Asia before continuing on to Alaska.

Agree that LAX is just a transition point between Mexico and Ireland.

There still is that possibility that all the teams were sent individually to some place in Mexico or Central America for the start city. We have found no evidence yet of any filming at any US airport for a start. This certainly would keep the peepers at bay and would add a new twist to the old tried and true TAR.

July 22 Odessa, Ukraine to one of the following Russian cities: Rostov or Krasnodar/Sochi

July 24 Rostov or Krasnodar/Sochi to Addis Ababa

July 26 Addis Ababa to Arusha, Tanzania

July 28 Arusha, Tanzania to Girdwood Alaska(arriving July 29)

August 1 Final U.S. City

Please note that this has an AR12 with 13 pistops like they traditionally have, not the 11 indicated by CBS (unless they have 15 teams starting).

LATER EDIT: I modified the Russian cities after I learned from intense map work that Baku is in Azeerbaijan, Sevastopol is in Ukraine(but would not be chosen over Odessa), and Sochi has a fabulous once-a-week nonstop flight to Dubai that fits the timetable. Sochi and Krasnodar are only 100 road miles apart, so it would be feasible to fly into Krasnodar and fly out of Sochi. The point is to use cities in southern European Russia.

This Timeline is based on my SPECULATION thread entry. All of the caveats that go with that about whether Mr. Van Vuure's resume is historical or referring to AR12 only also apply to this Timeline.

mushpants, you are wrong about Italy and Alaska. Italy has not been confirmed. Just because there is an icon of Florence on screencaps and it's proven lgistically feasible to get there and from there does not mean that Florence is in this Race. Also, Alaska is totally confirmed. See the relevant information provided by GeorgiaPeach way back in I believe the Spoiler thread. Newbies are expected to read all the AR12 threads from about July 1 so they have the same information base as the rest of us.

Mushpants we all know that there is a lot to remember here! :reading: One of the easiest and BEST ways to either catch up or to confirm something (I have to go there all the time too) is to read through puddin's spoiler summary located at the very front of the Amazing Race 12 Spoiler section--it has everything we all need!

And as Apskip said--Alaska is definitely confirmed--probably the best documented confirmation we have ever had....

Logged

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

July 14-18 UNKNOWN-ITALYItaly,Lithuania,Ireland,Croatia,Netherlands have all been confirmed along with Japan and Burkina Faso, Taiwen, Alaska is the only country not confirmed

mushpants, we do not have a set of rules in this topic and have never needed one so please do not make me even go there. Things are fairly simple here and thats how we like it.Our work here is not to babysit you and correct the incorrect information which you have stated wrongly in this thread among others. In the future PLEASE read the threads before posting.Apskips gives some good advice please abide by it. This is a good place to start.

12. Aug. 1 ANC to Final City USA(note: may actually depart late evening of July 31), which is most likely to be Minneapolis, Portland OR, Boston, Washinton DC, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Detroit, or Houston

I have assurances from both Atlanta and Houston airports that no filming permits were issued there which meet our time frame.

And previous assurances from Boston Police that no road permits were issued, FWIW....

Logged

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

11. 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE

EDITOR's NOTE: Leg 2 on July 11 has been modified to use the routing SNN to AMS rather than DUB AMS. Also, a REST DAY on July 23 has been taken out and the departure dates for legs 8, 9, 10 and 11 moved up 1 day accordingly.

6. UNKNOWN AFRICAN PLACE TO Frankfurt(probably)FRA to DBV LH2468 departs 1210 arrives 1355Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635

11. 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE

EDITOR's NOTE: Leg 2 on July 11 has been modified to use the routing SNN to AMS rather than DUB AMS. Also, a REST DAY on July 23 has been taken out and the departure dates for legs 8, 9, 10 and 11 moved up 1 day accordingly.

"After 12 seasons, you don't want the contestants to go into the race thinking, 'I know what's next,'" said co-executive producer Elise Doganieri. The show will crisscross the world, from Holland to India to Croatia, and head to a few off-the-beaten-track towns that will send viewers grabbing for their globes.

BVM said in an interview that the teams visited every continent except Antarctica. That means the teams may travel to South America (further than Mexico or Belize which are still in North America) after Anchorage and then back up to a final US location for the final mat.

GMAN, AR12 could go on a senseless rush down to South America and then across to Australia just to turn a 4 continent race into 6 continents. But who in the audience would care anyway? So why bother? BVM is a Dutchman and they are known for being sensible people. He did not extend the race for 7 days just to add in South America and Australia.

and this whole 50,000/28 days vs 30,000/21 days is just poor CBS information. They had one thing on the CBS site and one on the first promo so some web monkey just doesn't know what is up.

We have our route now IMO (at least the broad overview) except for the final city--we just have to narrow it down a little more--adjust the order--and play with the timeline--and look! we're all done!

Logged

"I can't speak for production, but I really like that people see us when we're traveling around the world. If you're a fan of the show, ... you're going to be more excited because you want to see what happens."Phil Keoghan

With the confirmation from PHIL of 11 legs, there are manay things that are now clear or for which the choices are limited:

1. There will be 8 elimination points, 1 FINISH LINE, and 2 TBCs as predicted. My fearless predicting goes on to guess that the TBCs will come between Burkina Faso and the second African country (Niger in my opinion) and between Taipei and Alaska.

2. The hints about inclusion of FLORENCE are getting too big to ignore. I'm going to find a way to put it back in.

3. Osaka has been shaky, but when I reanalyzed the numbers, it had to stay in to reach 11 legs.

4. Other than that and the exact locations of the Africa country(which I believe to be Niger and its capital Niamey) and the Indian place (which could be Jaisalmer; I'm going to put it in that way and see how it fits), this TIMELINE is ready for primetime:

11. 26 KIX TPE EG211 1035 1220 or CX565 1115 1310Taipei 101 sighting early afternoon on Friday, then leg in Taipei with TBC to avoid having to go below 3 teams 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE in 21 Days

EDITOR'S NOTE: There have been new changes in Africa and Florence. Examine them.

Teams finished up in Amsterdam way ahead of what I expeected to be the schedule. With the pitstop reached late afternoon for most teams, the release from the Amsterdam pitstop will be before 6am July 12 for most teams unless there is an extended 36 hours pitstop. The question now is could World Race Productions have fit in Vilnius or Florence before the late afternoon July 13 flight to Ouagadougou from Paris-CDG that we know teams were on? Let's examine those possibilities:

July 12 AMS CPH SK550 0705 0830CPH VNO BT162 0935 1205

July 13 VNO CDG 0805 0955

This shows Vilnius is technically feasible but there would be only 8 hours to get in from the airport, do all tasks, get back to the airport, and have checkin and slack time at the airport. I conclude that this did not happen.

July 12 AMS FLR KL3134 1010 1155 or IG3422 1020 1210

July 13 FLR CDG AF5039 1015 1210 or AF5041 1305 1500

To me this looks feasible and could have happened. Since we know that Episode 3 is about Africa, it appears that it didn't and the 36 hour extended pitstop did.