U.S. military reports "significant confrontation" between 5 Iranian vessels...

Don't agree much with your views, but I had to give you a star for your last post, which I found totally reasonable.

Also, DoctorWhoFan makes an excellent point about why would the U.S. want to start something while Bush was travelling to the region.

So many people here are obviously on their "automatically blame the U.S. for everything" mode that it's refreshing when even "foes" such as
bodrul and souljah (first post) offer fair and balanced assessments of this situation.

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I agree, I'm not a fan of President Bush, but I don't think this was a false flag operation. Yes, the U.S Government has been shady, but I don't
believe they were behind this. If they were, the three U.S ships would've been attacked, not threatend. They wouldn't have antagonized the three war
ships, they would've attacked them. It would be a dumb decision by Bush because we are currently in Iraq right now. If the American people think the
insurgency in Iraq is tough, Iran will make that look like the peace rally. These people will fight to the death, just like in the Iran-Iraq war.
People literally charged Iraqi posistions with Korans, overwhelming the Iraqi's and taking there weapons.

It's probably just Iran trying to take back some control in that region, which is realistic. It's basically telling the U.S that they aren't
afraid. It was a stupid decision by Iran, obviously not enough to start a war, but to increase tension between the two nations. They probably feel
safe if they think China or Russia will back them, which I doubt it.

I doubt it was an actually attempt to provoke war with the United States, unless it was an ambush. If you're going attack three U.S war ships, you
better find more fire power than five little gun boats.

I agree with people saying that you should take everything you here from the media/government with a grain of salt, but I doubt this was a false flag
attempt.

Yeah, have you seen Iranian war ships of the coast of America anywhere, within “international” waters?

Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly inside?

Persian Gulf is a WAR zone, and US NAVY flies BOMBING to Iraq sorties on daily bases, Iranians just “happen” to live there, and since the gulf is
“PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

Where as they may have been sonar or other electronic equipment, placing them in the path of the US Navy ships certainly presents itself as a
danger-how are the US ships to know if they are bombs/mines..............

That is usually a sure fire way of provoking a shooting incident-exactly what Iran wants.

my guess would that the iranians were testing the american's response and tactics for future uses. It'scommon that Israeli warplanes fly into syria
and such to test their SAM and anti-air defenses. I beleive the Iranians were doing the same thing.

please!!!!!! "elite republican guards"??? those, just like the iraqis are
just guys with families and quite ill-equiped to confront an american
onslaught. the only way an iranian missle will hit an american vessel
will be if it's allowed to happen. by the way, i heard on a news network,
the iranians were 500 yards away. somethin stinks to holy hell!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by iskander
Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly
inside?

Look, the Russians do these sort of things all the time. Their subs are always lurking in international waters around the U.S. mainland. Just a few
months ago, I'm sure you heard about the Russian planes which buzzed very close to U.S. airspace.

The point being is as long as its in international waters, Iran has no authority to do anything.

and since the gulf is “PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

Irrelevant!
It does not matter that Iran does not want us there. The fact is that its legal to cruise in international waters and Iran needs to mind their own
business or pay the piper.

Well, it seems some on this thread believe this is another conspiracy and I think that is a Joke. Not everything is a conspiracy, some stuff is real
however small the amount and this is most likely the truth. I just wish the Navy would have blown those Iranian Guard members out of the water to
teach them not to cock off and act like it was "an ordinary occurence" like they called it. It was not ordinary, the US ships were in international
waters and the actions of the Iranian Guard were uncalled for and dangerous. Iran just seems to think everything is a joke and needs to change its
approach and outlook on the world as does Mr. Bush and his advisors.

Thats how. Russia never sold any sunburns to Iran. They let Iran demo one. That has been proved over and over again. A missile can not get through a
wall of lead, Especially when traveling at Mach 2. Jets fly at Mach 2 you know, We shoot them down don't we? The U.S. Hopper is one of the most
advanced ships on the sea today. It can take down I.C.B.Ms .

Which makes your post obsolete. The US is in a war zone over their so the Persian Gulf is definitely going to be watched. If (Like you say) the
Iranians were off the coast of the US, then why? We are ion no war zone over here? Think Bro.

Yeah, have you seen Iranian war ships of the coast of America anywhere, within “international” waters?

Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly inside?

Persian Gulf is a WAR zone, and US NAVY flies BOMBING to Iraq sorties on daily bases, Iranians just “happen” to live there, and since the gulf is
“PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

I think it is odd that there wasnt this much coverage when the
Chinese Sub popped up in the
middle of one of our exercises.

I agree with this neo con administration and our good old controlled media it is a set up for somthing bigger to happen soon...They are just getting
us prepared.....Guarranteed it will be before the elections if things are not going right for them.....

"I am coming at you, you will explode" - maybe some Iranian captain standing in his minefield was worried about US ships entering the minefield. The
news does say "international waters", but who really knows ? Maybe they were on the edge of Iran's waters, why would they patrol international
waters in their little boats and threaten warships ?

Why would Iran attack US ships like that ? I mean they did not even attack them. If they want to start a war there are plenty of ways.
What they did, and said, and the floating boxes dropped in the water makes me think it was about some minefield

Excuse me, but Iran does not have several thousand tonns of steel parked in front of America, do they? Actually, from Iranian point of view, the
aggressor is United States Armed Forces - they are "just" defeneding their territorial waters, which have been breached in the past and we all know
that. And frankly, what serious damage could this small 5 patrol boats do to a cruiser, a destroyer and a frigate of the U.S.Navy? Are you serious
man? IF they really wanted to provoke a war with U.S. - and I seriously doubt that, since they have really NOTHING to gain by doing that - they would
have done that already. See, the facts are speaking against you and they are saying, that some rouge elements within the U.S. armed forces and the
U.S. government kind of want the war with Iran and noth the other way around. That is why they have already created detailed plans how to attack Iran.
Does Iran have detailed plans how to attack America?

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