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SO now I have a question for you: If you had to make a choice, which comes first: The citizens of the USA, or the citizens of a different country (who live in that country, not the USA)? When you answer the question, we will know if you are a TRUE America, or if you’re more concerned with others than the USA... sometimes we cannot have it both ways. And to not answer the question will be quite telling also... so hiding is not really an option.

There is nothing more important than protecting our citizens on our soil. Next would be protecting US citizens on foreign soil. Next would be protecting our economy. But going into Afghanistan to eradicate Al Qaeda has not been fruitful or worth the money tacked onto our national debt. We should have only gone into Iraq if Sadam was an immanent thread to the US. He was not.

But there is one good thing that resulted from those needless, reckless, wasteful wars. Our enemies now know how revengeful and gullible the American public is when it comes to following our war driven leaders. That alone will make any country think twice about ever harboring those that attack us.

When there is an enemy... one has choices. One can deal with them or allow them to strengthen and then have a HARDER time dealing with them.

So which one do you think would work better?

It depends on what you want. Do you want costly revenge or to be safer in the future?

Did “dealing with them” in Afghanistan or Iraq make us safer? NO! It was done for a show of revenge, to put billions in the hands of war profiteers and to hopefully build oil pipelines. Our CIA exacted the best revenge by killing Bin Laden and it only cost pennies on the millions. Now we are left with trillions in debt, hundred of thousands of deaths and many more that hate us.

It depends on what you want. Do you want costly revenge or to be safer in the future?

Did “dealing with them” in Afghanistan or Iraq make us safer? NO! It was done for a show of revenge, to put billions in the hands of war profiteers and to hopefully build oil pipelines. Our CIA exacted the best revenge by killing Bin Laden and it only cost pennies on the millions. Now we are left with trillions in debt, hundred of thousands of deaths and many more that hate us.

I and most, certainly believed and still believe that we had to deal with afghanistan/Al-qaeda after 9/11. We could not let them just operate business as usual after what they did to us. And I think most Americans do feel safer now that Al-qaeda has been seriously marginalized and forced far underground. We still need to be vigilant as there are many that wish us harm. As far as Iraq goes, to me that was a huge mistake. And thats the main reason Bush to this day is usually far out of sight.

FWIW, I know from many of your posts you beieve that 9/11 was at least possibly an inside job. Personally I'm not looking to debate that.

There is nothing more important than protecting our citizens on our soil. Next would be protecting US citizens on foreign soil. Next would be protecting our economy. But going into Afghanistan to eradicate Al Qaeda has not been fruitful or worth the money tacked onto our national debt. We should have only gone into Iraq if Sadam was an immanent thread to the US. He was not.

A very similar arguement has been used to justify the Stimulus plan. How can you say it did not work? Do you know what was planned and not completed as a new terrorist attack becasue of our involvement in Afghanistan?

Same arguement I heard with the stimulus, how bad would the economy be if the stimulus plan had not been passed? Funny how it usually only works one way....

A very similar arguement has been used to justify the Stimulus plan. How can you say it did not work? Do you know what was planned and not completed as a new terrorist attack because of our involvement in Afghanistan?

Same argument I heard with the stimulus, how bad would the economy be if the stimulus plan had not been passed? Funny how it usually only works one way....

I'm not saying either is right or either is wrong.

I never said the Stimulus Plan was effective or averted a second dip. What I am saying is that blowing up of caves in Afghanistan does not compare to improving and sharing intelligence between our agencies that want to hoard information for their own gain. There is good evidence that Masad knew of 911 in advance but did not tell us for their own gains. The intelligence was there all along. We don’t need to start big expensive wars to keep us safe.

But I will say that doing nothing after 911 would not be the right thing either.

Its fruitless to argue about the Islamic problem because we are discussing it, after the fact. This was started so long ago that many americans dont even know or understand where all this began.

It began with the occupation of palestine, and the subsequent making of the apartheid state of Israel.

Not to mention that the military industrial complex took adavantage of the situation by causing strive and false flags.

Something that Eisenhower warned us about.

Roy

And General Patton....said it would be nothing but trouble.

To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.

Amen to that we should have stayed out of the ME and militant Islam would not be looking beyond their borders. Thank you very much

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