well there's your quote you dared me. Til we see an american score 20 plus goals in a big club in Europe he will be recognize. Sure chicharito got a chance. Has a USA foward or attacking player ever gotten a chance for a big Euro club lately ?? NO!! They know they will make 10xs more $$ with a Mexican player than an American player on the global stage. So yea your saying chicharito is good enough cause he got a 20 goal season.

Thank god you're not a journalist. You'd be fired on your first day. Find me actually saying "Chicharito is good enough to play for Real Madrid."

COYB!!

admsghs27

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 4:48pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Thank god you're not a journalist. You'd be fired on your first day. Find me actually saying "Chicharito is good enough to play for Real Madrid."

Only because he scored 20 goals in a season does not make him good enough to play for for real madrid. What did he do to make Man U in the first place ? Nothing much.

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 4:57pm

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If chicharito fails with Madrid this year would not be surprised if an MlS club offers him a huge DP contract, reason why to try and make $$ for his brand and name not because of his skills or talent.

fccl

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:11pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Only because he scored 20 goals in a season does not make him good enough to play for for real madrid. What did he do to make Man U in the first place ? Nothing much.

Hernandez was a key player when they won the title and made it to the CL final in his first year
he spent most of his second season injured but still managed to be the second best scorer for ManU above Welbeck who played twice as many minutes.
in his third season they signed RvP but Hernandez still helped them in several comebacks that, at the end, resulted in ManU winning the league again.
4th season United was sh!t and Moyes rarely used him.

Jzaval01

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:21pm

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I will add that Dempsey played well for years in fulham and when he became a top 5 scorer in 11-12 season it seemed like no one even noticed. keep in mind he wasnt a striker he was part of the midfield back then. Did pretty well in SPurs and was out of place even though he was scoring valuable goals that kept Spurs in the race for top 4. Him and bale were the only reason they kept it close on Arsenal for 4th.

admsghs27

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:23pm

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Original post from fccl

Hernandez was a key player when they won the title and made it to the CL final in his first year
he spent most of his second season injured but still managed to be the second best scorer for ManU above Welbeck who played twice as many minutes.
in his third season they signed RvP but Hernandez still helped them in several comebacks that, at the end, resulted in ManU winning the league again.
4th season United was sh!t and Moyes rarely used him.

You did not answer the question. Is what did he do to Make Man U ? He did score his goals at Chivas and was good with them, but he wasn't even their best player at the time. I know liga MX is better than mls right now but i remember when Hercules Gomez led the Mexican league in scoring he did not get even one single euro offer.

Rey Regicide

Post #37

Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:27pm

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Why Would you give an offer to a player with no promise?

Javier Hernandez had been scoring goals for his club team, scoring goals for national team, and was really young. And he's mexican, which meant a huge boost to Man U's merchandising.

Rey Regicide

Post #38

Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:30pm

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And that's the quantitative side, you can tell Chicharito's quality by watching him play, the way he made runs into space into dangerous places, his proficiency in the air, his willingness to battle. His touch. Qualitatively he was sound, probably more flattering than his numbers.

dunlopp9987

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:13pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

And that's the quantitative side, you can tell Chicharito's quality by watching him play, the way he made runs into space into dangerous places, his proficiency in the air, his willingness to battle. His touch. Qualitatively he was sound, probably more flattering than his numbers.

No!! Stop!! You're trying to reason and provide logic with a person who has no semblance of what that means!!

COYB!!

fccl

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:21pm

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Original post from admsghs27

You did not answer the question. Is what did he do to Make Man U ? He did score his goals at Chivas and was good with them, but he wasn't even their best player at the time. I know liga MX is better than mls right now but i remember when Hercules Gomez led the Mexican league in scoring he did not get even one single euro offer.

Ah ok I understood the question wrong, well first Gomez was only leader for a six months short tournament, remember that in Mexico they have Apertura and Clausura tournaments each year, Hernandez was top scorer for over a year (something extremely weird in Mexico) he also helped Chivas make it to the Libertadores final but couldn't play it because of the World Cup and his move to Man U. Gomez tied Chicharito in the clausura but never managed to be close to the top scorer again and he is also 6 years older than Hernandez.

Rey Regicide

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:24pm

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I mean as dismissive as this sounds, "what did he do?"

He was born better than Gomez.

Same thing with Altidore and Gomez, altidore was just seen as more gifted athletically and Villareal probably thought they could upload forlan's productive subroutines.

fccl

Post #42

Tuesday September 2, 2014 7:26pm

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Original post from chillguy1992

People forget Mexico has produced elite talent that played for the biggest of big clubs. Hugo Sanchez scored a ton of goals for real madrid. Rafa Marquez was a very good centerback for barcelona. Top level soccer clubs remember that hence why the dos santos brothers both played for barcelona. Its the reason why diego reyes has been picked by porto. Reputation is everything and thats one advantage mexico has over the us and probably will for a while. Although good thing is our youth talent is getting poached up by a bunch of different european clubs plus young german americans so development wise our future looks the best it ever has.

But a lot of mexico players wanted in europe have usually stayed in mexico. Family is very important in mexican culture plus belief in their league and good salary all are enticing to stay in mexico. This is why players from mexico if they decide to leave for europe have better choices to choose from then players from mls. Although they usually stay in mexico and the mls players try to move to europe. Only recently it seems top mls players are staying longer and longer in mls then before. Chichirato is not real madrid quality, but he is paid to score goals. Im sure he will do that since there will be many chances to score at real madrid.

Things are changing in Mexico though, now there are 8 mexican players in La Liga and two on teams fighting for the championship.

Jzaval01

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 8:48pm

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Original post from fccl

Things are changing in Mexico though, now there are 8 mexican players in La Liga and two on teams fighting for the championship.

Yea but Mexico will continue to be Mexico imo. By that I mean struggle somewhat in the hex. Not the first time Mexico has had players in top leagues. If anything they usually have ha the most players in CONCACAF in a top league. Nothing changing in that point

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 9:54pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

Yea but Mexico will continue to be Mexico imo. By that I mean struggle somewhat in the hex. Not the first time Mexico has had players in top leagues. If anything they usually have ha the most players in CONCACAF in a top league. Nothing changing in that point

dunno, back in the day there were 4 or 5 mexicans in Europe, now there are over a dozen and most in pretty good teams, many being key players, and nowadays they are being sold from Liga MX for pretty good prices: Jimenez was sold to Athletico for 15m dollars, Herrera to Porto for 11m for only 80% of his rights, Reyes for 9m, compare that to Yedlin leaving for 3m or Shea for 4m when he was a star in MLS, or Guzan back in the day for 1m.

Historically Mexico always struggle in the Hex because everyone plays the game of their lives against them, to central american countries beating Mexico is even more important than going to the World Cup, they usually chant "al mundial no vamos pero a Mexico le ganamos" or "we ain't going to the world cup but we are beatin' Mexico". And you can't deny that the USMNT and american fans HATE Mexico way more than fans south of the border, I actually have friends there and most of them don't even care about our NT or players except for the mexican-americans like Herculez Gomez and Joe Corona and of course Donovan.

Jzaval01

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Tuesday September 2, 2014 11:08pm

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Original post from fccl

dunno, back in the day there were 4 or 5 mexicans in Europe, now there are over a dozen and most in pretty good teams, many being key players, and nowadays they are being sold from Liga MX for pretty good prices: Jimenez was sold to Athletico for 15m dollars, Herrera to Porto for 11m for only 80% of his rights, Reyes for 9m, compare that to Yedlin leaving for 3m or Shea for 4m when he was a star in MLS, or Guzan back in the day for 1m.

Historically Mexico always struggle in the Hex because everyone plays the game of their lives against them, to central american countries beating Mexico is even more important than going to the World Cup, they usually chant "al mundial no vamos pero a Mexico le ganamos" or "we ain't going to the world cup but we are beatin' Mexico". And you can't deny that the USMNT and american fans HATE Mexico way more than fans south of the border, I actually have friends there and most of them don't even care about our NT or players except for the mexican-americans like Herculez Gomez and Joe Corona and of course Donovan.

They had players like Blanco, Marquez, Borgetii who is their top scorer in the national team. Hernandez isnt a RM starter, Jimenez isnt a Atl. Madrid starter, Dos Santos usually has a few good games and disappears for years. For Porto, Herrera usually only one playing. SO yea Mexico on paper seems better off but usually they always have players in top leagues. I mean remember our best player is from MLS and hated, despised by Mexicans, LD always has burned Mexico. Yet never played in Europe for long

But LD is done now and what really worrying is not Mexico having their players being "better" since they are in bigger teams, its our team having a down cycle because our core players are in MLS. Dempsey might still be an option for 2018 as a bench and leader. But who is ready to take that role and guide the team and be the superstar? Michael Bradley hasnt been lighting up anything in Toronto (to his defense toronto has been terrible), Jozy hasnt done much in Sunderland up to this point. SHea, Agudelo are in no mans land right now. Its worrying because its an uncertain situation we are going into not because our MLS prospect lack talent but because we dont know who will really make that big push and difference in the national that dempsey, Donovan have had for so many years.

All i can say is Mexico is in a better position going into this new cycle but well see because last cycle we started off slowly and went up from there but that isnt a guaranteed.