Finally got a chance to listen to the podcast. I was glad to hear that the panel repeatedly talked about hazing as far more than a Greek problem and that they frequently acknowledged what Greek organizations are trying to do to combat hazing.

But what particularly interested me was the acknowledgment from at least some on the panel that hazing per se is "part of human nature" that is never going to be eradicated completely. The one psychologist (?) in particular said a number times that the challenge is not about eliminating everything that could be called hazing, but rather is about proper supervision and oversight to ensure elimination of anything that is potentially physically, mentally or emotionally demeaning or damaging, and especially to ensure removal of alcohol from the equation.

I listened to the whole thing the other day. The administrators kept bringing up the idea of simply eliminating the greek system altogether. Cornell's solution is not something I'm a fan of. Doing that basically makes us the same as Circle K. Hazing can be eradicated in an organization if you have the right kind of organizational culture. Also, it doesn't hurt to have trained alumni volunteers around.

As MC said, I agree that proper supervision and oversight and the removal of alcohol from the equation are what needs to happen. Our chapter at Oklahoma State has dry pledging now. I know that certainly wasn't the case in my day. They've always been a top-tier house at OSU, but now they're just incredible.

Finally got a chance to listen to the podcast. I was glad to hear that the panel repeatedly talked about hazing as far more than a Greek problem and that they frequently acknowledged what Greek organizations are trying to do to combat hazing.

But what particularly interested me was the acknowledgment from at least some on the panel that hazing per se is "part of human nature" that is never going to be eradicated completely. The one psychologist (?) in particular said a number times that the challenge is not about eliminating everything that could be called hazing, but rather is about proper supervision and oversight to ensure elimination of anything that is potentially physically, mentally or emotionally demeaning or damaging, and especially to ensure removal of alcohol from the equation.

It's interesting that you posted this here today, as I just read this story this morning, about hazing/sexual abuse at a CA high school:

I listened to the whole thing the other day. The administrators kept bringing up the idea of simply eliminating the greek system altogether. Cornell's solution is not something I'm a fan of. Doing that basically makes us the same as Circle K. Hazing can be eradicated in an organization if you have the right kind of organizational culture. Also, it doesn't hurt to have trained alumni volunteers around.

As MC said, I agree that proper supervision and oversight and the removal of alcohol from the equation are what needs to happen.

Actually, I got the sense that's what they're talking about at Cornell, which hasn't really been decided yet. He kept saying "eliminating pledging as we know it." I took that to mean not eliminating pledging itself, but eliminating the correlation between pledging and hazing. We'll just have to see when they make their decision.

There was one thing I kept wishing someone would say: They rightfully talked about hazing in other groups, but when the suggestions of eliminatingt the Greek system came up, I really wanted someone to say "There's no reason to consider that unless we're also going to consider eliminating the athletic teams, the marching band . . . ."