But those arent fans? It's like me watching a few chelsea games for ballack

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True, they might not be "fans" but they are still numbers that increase our viewership and purchase BvB paraphernalia like "Kagawa" jerseys. They are still

In the end, some of these fans might stick with BvB, especially if success continues at the club - if success does not, expect many of those to forget about us and find another club to support for the that specific season.

True, they might not be "fans" but they are still numbers that increase our viewership and purchase BvB paraphernalia like "Kagawa" jerseys. They are still

In the end, some of these fans might stick with BvB, especially if success continues at the club - if success does not, expect many of those to forget about us and find another club to support for the that specific season.

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True. I also think lots of people who do stick by will drop out should we get relegated or whatever. For bayern, a few seasons of no CL football would do it. They would have almost no fans outside bayern if they went through what we did in the last 10 years.

True, they might not be "fans" but they are still numbers that increase our viewership and purchase BvB paraphernalia like "Kagawa" jerseys. They are still

In the end, some of these fans might stick with BvB, especially if success continues at the club - if success does not, expect many of those to forget about us and find another club to support for the that specific season.

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Right. As much as the BVB faithful don't like to admit it, BVB wouldn't be where it is today without the support of those "bandwagon jumpers" back in the 90s.

I hope none of you are really naive enough to think that the 70-80,000 fans at Westfalenstadion for each match are all life-long BVB fans.

2-2 in leverkusen....i'd rather they didnt win so we keep the lead as big as possible (if we lose in muenchen as expected)

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As expected?

I'm not holding my breath for 3 points and I won't be surprised if we walk out of there empty handed, but I won't say "as expected". Our finishing could click and their defense could shit the bed again and we might see a tight 2-2 or 3-3 match.

We could walk out of there losing 3-0 just as we could walk out of there winning 2-3. Who knows, anything can happen but just like I'm not yelling, "Deutschen Meister" just yet, I'm not calling for us to lose in Munich either - I mean, why fuckin' even go?

I'm not holding my breath for 3 points and I won't be surprised if we walk out of there empty handed, but I won't say "as expected". Our finishing could click and their defense could shit the bed again and we might see a tight 2-2 or 3-3 match.

We could walk out of there losing 3-0 just as we could walk out of there winning 2-3. Who knows, anything can happen but just like I'm not yelling, "Deutschen Meister" just yet, I'm not calling for us to lose in Munich either - I mean, why fuckin' even go?

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Have you seen the girls in muenchen???

lol...Just mean they're big favourites while we can't hit a barn door amongst other things with a football.

Aside from our sitters in the last few match days since the Rückrunde started again and Neuer and Kessler having superb match days, if our defense can hold off Ribs, Robben, Gomez and Mueller to a goal or two, there should be no reason why we can't do the same to Kraft and whoever LVG decided to play CB and LB on that day.

I'm hoping we can win, thinking we could seriously draw, and would not be surprised by a loss.

That just me, folks. It'll be one of those games where I think anything can happen and nothing would surprise me.

Aside from our sitters in the last few match days since the Rückrunde started again and Neuer and Kessler having superb match days, if our defense can hold off Ribs, Robben, Gomez and Mueller to a goal or two, there should be no reason why we can't do the same to Kraft and whoever LVG decided to play CB and LB on that day.

I'm hoping we can win, thinking we could seriously draw, and would not be surprised by a loss.

That just me, folks. It'll be one of those games where I think anything can happen and nothing would surprise me.

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Guys are killing me with this goalkeeper BULLSHIT!

No one is going to tell me every keeper we face has a f#cking career day against us!

THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!! NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT!!

We made Stuttgart's Sven Ulreich look like Oliver f#cking Kahn! A keeper we put three past earlier in the season! A keeper f#cking FCN put four past at his own stadium!

F#CKING GLADBACH PUT TWO PAST NEUER TODAY!!

What did Reus do on his goal? Put the f#cking ball where Neuer COULDN'T STOP IT!!

Watch the f#cking "efforts" from our guys! Almost NONE of them are placed well!

They think they always have f#cking easy shots, put nothing behind them and keepers make the f#cking stops!

Yeah, I'll say Neuer had a world class day, but NO ONE IS GOING TO F#CKING TELL ME GUYS LIKE ULREICH, SIPPEL AND KESSLER all had "world class days" against us!

Our sorry f3cking attackers made it EASIER for them!!

Goddamn! Why is everyone so intent on making lame ass excuses for these guys??!!

No one is going to tell me every keeper we face has a f#cking career day against us!

THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!! NOTHING BUT BULLSHIT!!

We made Stuttgart's Sven Ulreich look like Oliver f#cking Kahn! A keeper we put three past earlier in the season! A keeper f#cking FCN put four past at his own stadium!

F#CKING GLADBACH PUT TWO PAST NEUER TODAY!!

What did Reus do on his goal? Put the f#cking ball where Neuer COULDN'T STOP IT!! It happens, and sometimes it happens vs us too. I'm not saying we couldn't do a better job at finishing but heck, even our own Weidenfeller has a couple of days like this too.

Watch the f#cking "efforts" from our guys! Almost NONE of them are placed well!

They think they always have f#cking easy shots, put nothing behind them and keepers make the f#cking stops!

Yeah, I'll say Neuer had a world class day, but NO ONE IS GOING TO F#CKING TELL ME GUYS LIKE ULREICH, SIPPEL AND KESSLER all had "world class days" against us!

Our sorry f3cking attackers made it EASIER for them!!

Goddamn! Why is everyone so intent on making lame ass excuses for these guys??!!

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I think you yourself said that we didn't get all three points vs Schalke because of Neuer's great day as well, didn't you? Heck, even our very own Weidenfeller has a few matches were he is just a "wall". I'm not saying our finnishing could have been more lethal, but some of those stops made on our shots have been pretty freakin' awesome.

I think you yourself said that we didn't get all three points vs Schalke because of Neuer's great day as well, didn't you? Heck, even our very own Weidenfeller has a few matches were he is just a "wall". I'm not saying our finnishing could have been more lethal, but some of those stops made on our shots have been pretty freakin' awesome.

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Cris. I said Neuer did.

That doesn't justify the others.

All three of the others are among the most inconsistent keepers in the freakin' league and you want me to believe they all had career days against us?

I'm sorry man, but that is plain and simply BULLSHIT!

I've watched all of those matches at least three times each.

I've watched matches in which all of these guys were beaten.

There was no major difference in the keepers' play.

They got beaten because their other opponents FINISHED BETTER than we did!

I thought the same at first because that was what I wanted to believe.

Then I saw these guys get beaten by others. They weren't doing anything differently.