Clippers and Celtics in serious talks for KG (updated) (P. 5)

Think about it this way, though: we'd essentially be trading DJ and Bledsoe for two years as the favorites to come out the West with KG, and after that, LeBron freaking James. Of course we do this deal! Just getting out of DJ's albatross of a contract would be amazing.

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How so? KG has a bad reputation as a smack talker to opposing players, but by all accounts, he is a ridiculously loyal teammate and a natural leader. I'm struggling to see the chemistry issues here.

I'm also not going to shed a tear over losing the incremental improvements DJ has made to his game this year. The results have still fallen well short of his overinflated contract, and I don't trust him one iota in the playoffs.

KG is aging but he's still productive. He was amazing in the playoffs last year and put the fear of God into Miami. If we get KG, not only are we the favorites to come out of the West, we'd have a damn good chance of dethroning the Heat. I'm FAR more willing to take my chances on a Hall of Fame veteran like KG instead of an inexperienced, inconsistent, and overpaid headcase like DJ.

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Except once KG retires, we're loaded with cap space just in the nick of time for a free agency market headlined by LeBron and Melo, both of whom happen to be close friends with CP3. Now THAT'S a chance to contend for the next 4-7 years.

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02/16/2013 - 02:09 AM PST

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if this trade happens, gary sacks is the next elgin baylor. or depending on what rumor you're following, vdn becomes the next elgin baylor.

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02/16/2013 - 02:17 AM PST

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Lets go back to December of 2011. CP3 was offered for our package centered around Eric Gordon. If I recall, ownership didn't want the trade to go through but Neil Olshey pushed for it. Correct me if I'm wrong but needless to say, that trade worked out tremendously. We now have this KD for DJ/Bled trade. Vinny wants it, FO is against it. Lets predict the future and see what it would be like. Picture KG on the Clippers team running pick and pop with CP3. KG sets the illegal picks, CP3 goes by and can find BG down low or set up KG for the pop or the wings for the 3. KG is still one of the best defenders in the game too and will be anchoring our D. KG vs TD in the playoffs!

Bledsoe, great spark off the bench in the playoffs last season. Our 2nd unit is just not the same without Bled but maybe Vinny will shorten the rotation down to 8-9 players and CP3 will start playing 38 mpg. He'll probably play 40 mpg in the playoffs.

DJ was no where to be found in the playoffs. He totally disappeared. Kenyon Martin was playing more. I'm sorry but I just don't think DJ will ever blossom into an all star caliber center. Maybe we can sign Kmart back to be our backup, have him and Vinny kiss and make up. IMO, we should pull the trigger.

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02/16/2013 - 02:20 AM PST

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82-0 wrote:

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f*ck that this will be a chemistry killer.

How so? KG has a bad reputation as a smack talker to opposing players, but by all accounts, he is a ridiculously loyal teammate and a natural leader. I'm struggling to see the chemistry issues here.

I'm also not going to shed a tear over losing the incremental improvements DJ has made to his game this year. The results have still fallen well short of his overinflated contract, and I don't trust him one iota in the playoffs.

KG is aging but he's still productive. He was amazing in the playoffs last year and put the fear of God into Miami. If we get KG, not only are we the favorites to come out of the West, we'd have a damn good chance of dethroning the Heat. I'm FAR more willing to take my chances on a Hall of Fame veteran like KG instead of an inexperienced, inconsistent, and overpaid headcase like DJ.

how so? one of the main reasons why clippers are doing so well is the team chemistry which i believe starts with DJ since he's a goofball. not only does he get along with the whole team but obviously he's blake griffins best friend. KG on the other hand has had beef with lamar and always seems to get into it with blake griffin. yea things will probably change when he puts on a clipper uniform but who do you think blake would rather have as a teammate? with KG aging and probably wont see a lot of minutes that means we see more ryan hollins. don't get me wrong, i love ryan's energy but come playoff time i don't want him to see more then 10 min a game.

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Elgin Baylor would never, EVER have even thought to make a move this huge (in a good way). I feel like most of you are too blinded by emotional attachment to DJ and Bledsoe to realize how beneficial this trade would be for us.

Our starting five would be CP3, Chauncey, Caron, Griffin, KG. That's the best starting lineup in the league. On top of that, we'd still have the Sixth Man of the Year coming off the bench in Jamal Crawford.

And honestly, in the playoffs, who's really more trustworthy: the guy who can't play in the 4th and has gotten benched for K-Mart and Odom over the past few years, or the first-ballot Hall of Famer and NBA champion?

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clippersforlife33 wrote:

how so? one of the main reasons why clippers are doing so well is the team chemistry which i believe starts with DJ since he's a goofball.

Yes, let's not try to increase our chances at a title this year because our current overpaid center is "a goofball." Are you nuts?

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KG on the other hand has had beef with lamar and always seems to get into it with blake griffin.

So did Grant Hill back in his Suns days, but there has been zero conflict between the two as teammates. Plus, KG gets into it with everyone... even Tim Duncan.

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yea things will probably change when he puts on a clipper uniform but who do you think blake would rather have as a teammate?

Judging from his mindset, whoever will boost his chances of winning a ring.

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02/16/2013 - 02:32 AM PST

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Man, this is very tough decision here. I'm not sure what's to do. KG sound great, but I really like DJ and Bledsoe and they are constantly improving. So give or take.

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02/16/2013 - 02:43 AM PST

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We can easily sign a MUCH cheaper player in free agency to do what DJ does. The loss here is Bledsoe.

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02/16/2013 - 02:44 AM PST

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EB should be untouchable. the celts can have DJ/butler for KG/lee, but that's all i'm okay with personally.

ideally i'd rather the clippers not make this trade at all. I don't want to give up on DJ, but his FT shooting is so awful he's just a liability.

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02/16/2013 - 02:51 AM PST

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i am not giving up both bled and DJ for kg. even though i wouldn't want him, i'm willing to bet the lakers would give us dwight right now for bled and DJ.

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02/16/2013 - 02:56 AM PST

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Bled is going to be offered starter money and starter minutes pretty damn soon and we can offer him neither if CP3 stays.

That makes him the absolute opposite of "untouchable"... it makes him our best (and some would say only) trade chip to bring in a wing player for the future.

We all love him, but he's out of here within a year at the most.

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02/16/2013 - 03:10 AM PST

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Again how does KG in 2007 or whatever cost Gerald Green and Al Jefferson and Telfair but KG in 2013 equals Bledsoe and DJ??! He's a punk who needs his A** kicked.

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02/16/2013 - 03:12 AM PST

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cleepers wrote:

chonkyfire24 wrote:

EB should be untouchable. the celts can have DJ/butler for KG/lee, but that's all i'm okay with personally.

ideally i'd rather the clippers not make this trade at all. I don't want to give up on DJ, but his FT shooting is so awful he's just a liability.

Bled is going to be offered starter money and starter minutes pretty damn soon and we can offer him neither if CP3 stays.

That makes him the absolute opposite of "untouchable"... it makes him our best (and some would say only) trade chip to bring in a wing player for the future.

We all love him, but he's out of here within a year at the most.

i should have specified that he should be untouchable for this season. the clips should try to keep him and trade him after the season is over.

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02/16/2013 - 03:32 AM PST

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^ I'm cool with it either way... unless we give up Bled AND DJ for Garnett alone.

Offloading DJ's contract gives us massive buying power in the next big F.A. market, and KG would make us a better playoff team THIS year. Not as deep, but better from 1-5 when rotations shorten. Having TWO guys who can jump through the roof to catch a lob seems like overkill when neither of them is very reliable from 15-feet.

I'd pull the trigger if we get a cheap, solid wing with upside along with KG.

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02/16/2013 - 03:42 AM PST

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you're right about DJ cleepers. If the clippers want a shot at creating the greatest big 3 combo ever by signing LBJ, DJ has to go unfortunately. Or take a massive hair cut.

BG, CP3, LBJ would be the ultimate 3. a man can dream right...?

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02/16/2013 - 03:51 AM PST

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Guys we actually would have enough money for a max player like Lebron or Howard... then just re-sign a bunch of minimum players like Miami did if KG retires either this year or next. I'm leaning towards yes we should do this.

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02/16/2013 - 03:54 AM PST

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Do it Neal!

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02/16/2013 - 04:06 AM PST

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Lol. We are destined for failure with DJ as our 3rd best player going forward though for real. He's a complete no show down the stretch of most games and a liability. No sense in keeping an 11 mill a year guy you're going to bench every 4th quarter. It's not him I'm as worried about moving as it is Bledsoe.

You guys blast Josh Smith... but I'd take him over DJ any day. As much as I dislike Dwight personally maybe a change of scenery playing with a leader like CP3 and a laid back, excellent teammate like Blake would change him? Lots of options in free agency of both 2013 and 2014.

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02/16/2013 - 04:17 AM PST

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^ I don't want Howard anywhere near this team... he's a clown, plain and simple...

"Everybody else wants me to talk about the future. But for me, the only thing I'm concerned with right now is to have fun at All-Star Weekend, and continue to train so I can come back and have a pretty good second half. I'm not going to deal with it. I had to deal with it all last year. I'm not going to do it again. There's no need to talk about it. I want to have fun."

FUN? ...then he should paint his face and put on a big, red nose. For a franchise player, WINNING is fun.

This guy almost makes me feel sorry for laker fans... almost.

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02/16/2013 - 05:02 AM PST

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so much for loyalty and having the back of the team that made that sorry ass coach Vinny even close to respectable.Anyway this is simple if its not broke don't fix and this deal does not even fix the team. This team is terrible on 3pt defense plain and simple if Vinny takes focuses more only finding ways to limit good shooting teams we win a title its that plain and simple.This team is the 4th best defense in the league and top 5 offense and just got back a leader and shooter upgrade in Billups. Caron is hitting his shots which was a huge let down before with him and Willie so the starters are set and have proven they can take down any team healthy.

Not going even bring up the insane bull of Lebron or KG with his health maxing us out this team can do some damage as built with the improvements we make. This team has and is the best team we can have and we should do nothing further until the offseason

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02/16/2013 - 05:04 AM PST

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I Really hate to say it, but as long as vdn is coaching this team, I dont think DJ will get the chance to flourish the way I so deeply believe he can. I saw DJ make a couple of shots last night that made me think "man this guy could be good". He has all the tools to be a great center he just needs the right guidance and I dont think hes getting that here. Vinny isnt a teacher, hes an enabler and a motivator. He allows you to do the things youre already good at but doesnt help add new tricks to the bag. DJ is a raw talent that needs to be refined and I dont know if Vnny is willing or able to do all it takes to develop him.

With that being said, KG can do all the things DJ cant. Its almost like trading for the polar opposite of DJ because you give up athleticism and youth for a jumpshot and consistency. Our core gets significantly older and we lose a lot of the "fun" factor that makes this team so great to watch but in return we gain legitimacy on both sides of the court and an absolute shot at the ship for at least this year and next assuming kg paul and billups return.

My gut tells me no but my mind says yes. also dont want to trade our only back up point guard in case something happens to either billups or Paul.

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02/16/2013 - 05:27 AM PST

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Clippersfan86 wrote:

sfernald wrote:

Do it Neal!

Lol. We are destined for failure with DJ as our 3rd best player going forward though for real. He's a complete no show down the stretch of most games and a liability. No sense in keeping an 11 mill a year guy you're going to bench every 4th quarter. It's not him I'm as worried about moving as it is Bledsoe.

You guys blast Josh Smith... but I'd take him over DJ any day. As much as I dislike Dwight personally maybe a change of scenery playing with a leader like CP3 and a laid back, excellent teammate like Blake would change him? Lots of options in free agency of both 2013 and 2014.

Failure? We are having our best season in history. Top tier defense and the only weakness being perimeter shooting and the 3 ball defense.

what are you talking about no show he is not even in the game late and when he is when was the last time he choked? Do you not know our best unit was Paul/Crawford/Barnes/Griffin/Jordan when Billups was out and Odom was to fat to play? With Billups back and Butler starting to hit his shots what do you want him to do among the starters.

Jordan has only had one game where he played 30+ minutes and did not get a double or have a big game with scoring or rebounding ONLY ONE. Before you even think of the insane notion that he would more playing time if he started off hot that would be a pure lie because Vinny Del Negro has a strict rotation and even more so since Odom has been back he has forced the issue leading to losses even though Jordan was playing great.

Eric Bledsoe still needs to add way more to his game before he can be looked at as a huge loss. Court vision, handles, control, and consistent time which he is in a even worse situation than DJ because of coaching.

Why would we want Josh Smith when we have Blake Griffin? Smith does everything Blake does but plays better defense and he would have to play SF for us because size bothers Griffin at C. Dwight really lol

Hopefully real Clipper fans appreciate and realize we have a good thing and its something all the players worked hard on and improved on to get to this point.

P.S. Screw VDN. Hope front office moves on from the chump

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There was a breakdown the day before yesterday on I Grantland which was basically questioning the chicken or the egg with Vinny and DJ. Long story short.. they came to the conclusion that based on the numbers Vinny is doing the right thing by benching DJ down the stretch of games. 1. Because he's a defensive liability a lot of times (more so than our other bigs). 2. Because he's an atrocious free throw shooter. 3. Because he doesn't score.. so teams can double our key guys and ignore him usually.

As for your last comments.... people REALLY need to stop flinging around the words "Real Clippers fans" the minute somebody disagrees. That crap is really getting old around here. You can dislike a player on your team or want to trade a player and still be a real fan of your TEAM. I have a loyalty to my team as a fan, not any of the players. When they are on the team they are family but if I feel we can get better by moving them I'm 100 percent behind it pretty much every time.

DJ is an 11 mill a year 4th quarter bench player as we know. Sure some of it is Vinny's fault but a huge part of it is DJ's failures. He has a knack for giving up huge buckets down the stretch to other players, boneheaded turnovers and has surprisingly had a sharp DECLINE in free throw shooting despite the team hiring a shooting coach for him and Blake. I can't for the life of me understand how Blake's FT shooting is night and day better but DJ's has DECLINED about 12 percent or w/e.

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02/16/2013 - 07:02 AM PST

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DJ PLUS EB for Garnett wont happen!

VDN might want it but FO is straight against it (so am I) so the only thing that could happen is DJ more or less straight up for KG, period (with which I could live).

If a trade would involve EB it gets very hypothetical and its only under one condition: there is an additional big return involving a SG/SF (and by that most likely Butler).

Leading to the result:

1.KG for DJ (with some small add ons - not Ebled)

2.Ebled & Butler for an all star like SG/SF

The first thing I would do but is already very unlikely to happen and for the 2nd there is a chance 0,0001% right now (other some really nasty trade comes along at the deadline, which I do not believe).

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02/16/2013 - 07:42 AM PST

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You are right Clipsfan, DJ is nice for a show element on the team but other than that is a liability. Especially his FT Shooting ( after getting blasted Last year by SAS) shows that his mind is not right there where we need it to be as a contender. He might get it right in 2 or 3 years evolving to the talented kind of player he is most widely here considered for BUT this is too late for us.

Vdn is doing everything right with benching him in the 4th meaning for the right deal its correct to replace him. Said that long long ago, with DJ on the team there will be no CC not only because of him but also for the amount of Salary he claims of the team. With that production there a better pieces to find for the team and our ambitions...

Lets see if sth. happens until thursday though the chances of that seem small.

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02/16/2013 - 08:17 AM PST

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If Blake can put up the points and boards DJ is NOT, then I am fine with keeping DJ just to be Blake's BF and be a goofball. However, I think Blake wants rings and wants to win and if that means getting rid of your BF, who is **** then Blake would have to show how professional he is and go on with the better chance to win. Sorry, but right now I just don't see us beating OKC, Spurs or Heat and have some doubts we can beat Denver, GSW or Knicks. Pull the trigger, get one of the best bigs in the game here and win the title...after all there is internet and Blake and DJ could still be best friends!

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02/16/2013 - 09:15 AM PST

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We should do this trade if they put Bradley with KG in the package with Ebled and Jordan.,we need younger players too.

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This trade will not push through,Vinny wants this trade to happen,Sterling the big boss want Ebled and Jordan to stay.

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02/16/2013 - 09:24 AM PST

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I am not saying that the Celtics will take this, but my final offer is Green, DJ, and a draft pick for KG. Take it or leave it Ainge.

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We cannot trade 2 of our 3 most athletic players. We lose a huge advantage if we so that. A large part of our identity is our athleticism, our ability to get out on the break and keep up with running teams. Bledsoe is a steals machine too, which works well with having athletic bigs. I hate this idea and I wish vinny would just let it go. He wants kg to carry him to te wcf so he ha a shot a keeping his job

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02/16/2013 - 11:27 AM PST

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I can't believe this story is still going on....mainly because I thought KG dispelled all this. I'm so up and down about this. Now that Chauncey's back to open things up a bit, I'm fine with DJ. I love the idea of having a center who can hit from mid-range and play tough defense...but at KG's age? With DJ (and Bledsoe, for that matter) we have a chance (I say a CHANCE) to establish a dynasty of sorts. KG seems like a short term, almost greedy decision.

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02/16/2013 - 11:38 AM PST

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I vote no. I agree with voyeur's last line "KG seems like a short term, almost greedy decision.". Vinny,,we don't need a trade just to say we did something before the deadline.

This makes us arguably the top contenders in the league for 2-3 seasons if everyone is healthy.

It also allows KG and PP to stick together and it allows Boston to give them a chance to win another title or two.

Even now KG and PP are borderline elite players. PP is also still a good defender.

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02/16/2013 - 11:44 AM PST

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that's an interesting trade and the salaries line up, but don't you think 2 first round picks may be a bit overboard? I could see 1, but not sure I like the idea of giving them 2...

At the same time this trade is really shoving all in. KG/PP are really old. this is almost similar to the lakers' strategy.

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02/16/2013 - 11:55 AM PST

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82-0 wrote:

ekker3 wrote:

if this trade happens, gary sacks is the next elgin baylor. or depending on what rumor you're following, vdn becomes the next elgin baylor.

Elgin Baylor would never, EVER have even thought to make a move this huge (in a good way). I feel like most of you are too blinded by emotional attachment to DJ and Bledsoe to realize how beneficial this trade would be for us.

Our starting five would be CP3, Chauncey, Caron, Griffin, KG. That's the best starting lineup in the league. On top of that, we'd still have the Sixth Man of the Year coming off the bench in Jamal Crawford.

And honestly, in the playoffs, who's really more trustworthy: the guy who can't play in the 4th and has gotten benched for K-Mart and Odom over the past few years, or the first-ballot Hall of Famer and NBA champion?

but pulling the trigger on this would be like trading away your child's college savings for a dinner at a nice restaurant.

i will give you this, though. good depth works in the regular season, not as effective in the playoffs.

still, i dont do this one.

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02/16/2013 - 12:10 PM PST

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If I was the Celtics I would do this trade without hesitation. DJ and Bledsoe for KG is a bit of a high price for a player who says this year may be his last all star game with possible retirement.

This would be a great short term move for the Clippers and I'm sure with the other vets here KG wouldn't wreak any team chemistry but our mix of youth and veterans is what makes this team.

If I was Sacks I would at least ask for KG and Fab Melo. This would at least let us have a prospect for a future starting center. With the Clippers being a good team now i'm sure there will also be plenty of free agents that want to play here when our vets retire.

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02/16/2013 - 12:13 PM PST

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What's with this talk of landing Lebron James or Carmelo Anthony in Free agency? LBJ has been the the finals 2 straight years (probably the 3rd after this season), has won tons of awards, and is still improving. Why would he take a huge hit on his legacy by switching teams again? Are we gonna act like Pat Riley doesn't know how to make big moves or convince players to play for Miami once Wade is washed up?

And then Melo is putting MVP numbers playing for his hometown team. Unless something messed up happens, I doubt he leaves that situation. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's pretty far-fetched. Yeah yeah, I get that CP is popular around the league but the clippers would only have 14-15 in cap space to offer IF they even had the chance (Paul-21m, Griffin-19m, Crawford-5m, total-45m and the cap limit is 59). So those top 5 players would also be leaving a lot of money on the table.

Back on topic. I'd really prefer that we didn't do this trade, but looking at the positive side, KG would be tremendous for floor-spacing and he's still a great defender. The main issue (aside from giving up Deandre AND Bledsoe) is that with the age of KG + Billups, we can't be 100% sure that they'll stay healthy. That's one good thing about DJ, dude is VERY durable despite being a high-flying big man. All I'm saying is that you have to really think these trades through and have a plan B and C.

Maybe now DJ/Bledsoe's limited minutes make sense. Is VDN getting a little power hungry haha?

So anyways, If the F.O feels that his is the right move to make, I hope we get 1 other decent piece back. I'd also like to see Bledsoe traded to a situation where he can be the man, not stuck with all those guards in Boston. Maybe a add a 3rd team into the mix? Clippers get: KG/Lee, Celtics get: Jordan/Redick, Magic get: Bledsoe/Green.

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02/16/2013 - 12:16 PM PST

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IF this trade were to happen (which is a strong possibility since CP will be in KG's ear all weekend long talking ring obsession like Gollum) that will mean only Blake and Trey will be the sole remaining untainted Clippers. Players who have only been LA Clips. Like E Bled and Deej. Holy crap we are building a dynasty here Clipper Nation. Built around the core of Blake and Chris the sky is the limit. Can't wait to point to our banner(s) in Staples Center when we play the Flakes next season and beyond!

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02/16/2013 - 12:20 PM PST

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KG isnt going anywhere. he has a no trade clause in his contract. LAC must think of another plan. he's not coming here.

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02/16/2013 - 12:23 PM PST

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ekker3 wrote:

82-0 wrote:

ekker3 wrote:

if this trade happens, gary sacks is the next elgin baylor. or depending on what rumor you're following, vdn becomes the next elgin baylor.

Elgin Baylor would never, EVER have even thought to make a move this huge (in a good way). I feel like most of you are too blinded by emotional attachment to DJ and Bledsoe to realize how beneficial this trade would be for us.

Our starting five would be CP3, Chauncey, Caron, Griffin, KG. That's the best starting lineup in the league. On top of that, we'd still have the Sixth Man of the Year coming off the bench in Jamal Crawford.

And honestly, in the playoffs, who's really more trustworthy: the guy who can't play in the 4th and has gotten benched for K-Mart and Odom over the past few years, or the first-ballot Hall of Famer and NBA champion?

but pulling the trigger on this would be like trading away your child's college savings for a dinner at a nice restaurant.

i will give you this, though. good depth works in the regular season, not as effective in the playoffs.

still, i dont do this one.

Thats a terrible comparison.... Since when was upping your chances for contending for one or two more seasons a nice dinner at a restaurant? I feel like people are selling KG way short. He is the best player on the Celtics(the Celtics are nothing on defense without him). He is still the most impactful big in terms of defense in the league. His illegal screens, heart, playoff experience and leadership are all very valuable. He can actually shoot Fts and will be infinitely more valuable than DJ come playoff time.

This isn't a bad trade at all.

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02/16/2013 - 12:25 PM PST

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KG can waive the no trade clause himself. Chris can be very pursuasive and KG already owns a house in Malibu. We would have 3 starting all stars?? Only time will tell

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02/16/2013 - 12:28 PM PST

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If CP3 wants this deal to happen, it'll happen... if he doesn't, it won't. Donald will overrule Roeser, Sacks or Vinny, but he won't overrule our honorary GM.

Where did this "Vinny vs. F.O." rumor start? I've only seen it on here.

If it's true, I'll say this for the man... during the laker game Thursday, the announcers were talking about the Clips having contacted Vinny's agent to open negotiations for a new contract (relax, Vinny-haters - those calls are usually just hypothetical, "how much would he want?" conversations) ...but the thing is, Vinny told them "we'll talk at the end of the season".

That means he's obviously not concerned about getting another job if we fall short this year and they let him go, and he believes that he'll be in a stronger bargaining position in June than he is now. If he IS the one who's pushing for this trade, it's because he believes it'll take us over the top.

Vinny's all-in.

clipcast3

02/16/2013 - 12:29 PM PST

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Def agree that it's not a bad trade at all. Works out for both squads and the impact is felt quicker for the Clips in that we will literally win it all with a starting 5 of CP, KG, Blake, Caron, and Chauncey. J cross Matty LO off the bench? They say the post season is pick your 8 guys and make a run. Well that's a hell of an 8. Because 9 is Grant Hill. Unstoppable

but pulling the trigger on this would be like trading away your child's college savings for a dinner at a nice restaurant.

i will give you this, though. good depth works in the regular season, not as effective in the playoffs.

still, i dont do this one.

Thats a terrible comparison.... Since when was upping your chances for contending for one or two more seasons a nice dinner at a restaurant? I feel like people are selling KG way short. He is the best player on the Celtics(the Celtics are nothing on defense without him). He is still the most impactful big in terms of defense in the league. His illegal screens, heart, playoff experience and leadership are all very valuable. He can actually shoot Fts and will be infinitely more valuable than DJ come playoff time.

This isn't a bad trade at all.

because we currently have the 4th best record in the NBA. we're contenders right now - why mess with that? we start winning and all of sudden we become greedy? yes, KG is good. but we'd be trading away KEY pieces for an old man who's injury prone and has already hinted at retirement.

i wonder how CP feels about this - didnt he want to play with DJ when he came here?

and i feel like some people wont know what they have in bledsoe until he's gone. he's a SPECIAL player.

dont get me wrong, id love to have KG. i just dont like what we'd have to give up. especially since we missed the boat in signing him as a FA this past offseason.

cleepers

02/16/2013 - 12:52 PM PST

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For the few minutes that CP3 would be on the bench in the playoffs... Chauncey.

but pulling the trigger on this would be like trading away your child's college savings for a dinner at a nice restaurant.

i will give you this, though. good depth works in the regular season, not as effective in the playoffs.

still, i dont do this one.

Thats a terrible comparison.... Since when was upping your chances for contending for one or two more seasons a nice dinner at a restaurant? I feel like people are selling KG way short. He is the best player on the Celtics(the Celtics are nothing on defense without him). He is still the most impactful big in terms of defense in the league. His illegal screens, heart, playoff experience and leadership are all very valuable. He can actually shoot Fts and will be infinitely more valuable than DJ come playoff time.

This isn't a bad trade at all.

because we currently have the 4th best record in the NBA. we're contenders right now - why mess with that? we start winning and all of sudden we become greedy? yes, KG is good. but we'd be trading away KEY pieces for an old man who's injury prone and has already hinted at retirement.

i wonder how CP feels about this - didnt he want to play with DJ when he came here?

and i feel like some people wont know what they have in bledsoe until he's gone. he's a SPECIAL player.

dont get me wrong, id love to have KG. i just dont like what we'd have to give up. especially since we missed the boat in signing him as a FA this past offseason.

Were contenders but getting KG makes us even better. No one said Bledsoe isn't valuable. C is just more valuable than backup PG thats all there is to it and KG is easily still the best defensive big in the league believe it or not(based on stats). He will also help us offensively with his screens and with his scoring. CP3 wanted DJ to re-sign due to his potential which he hasn't reached. We already saw how he did last playoffs. Even Reggie Evans played better than him. He is fools gold especially since his FT shooting is even worse than last season. DJ is a Javale Mcgee esque C imo and Javale Mcgee can actually shoot Fts way better.

ClippersSince97

02/16/2013 - 01:17 PM PST

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I agree with ekker. We can't trade away both our young pieces for KG who's getting ready to retire. KG will make us more of a contender than we already are but there might be serious repercussions to losing bledsoe this season. I know bledsoe's going to be gone soon but what he brings to the table for this team right now, it cannot be replaced and he is our X factor. bledsoe and DJ can be traded for much more, like a halfway decent center who has better fundamentals and hands than DJ and some picks. Trading for KG seems like a desperation move and of course Vinny wants it done because his contract is up after this season. I'd rather be set up to contend for the long term instead of just the next season or two and wonder where we're headed beyond KG's retirement.

plain and simple: we can't get rid of our young talent for a 2-yr max rental. DJ/Bled are worth more on the market and can be traded for a more long-term solution such as picks and younger talent.