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Justice and correctional services Minister Michael Masutha confirmed that 'Judge Yvonne Mokgoro did not recall giving permission to the SABC and State Security Agency (SSA) to intercept taps for any employees phones'.

Right 2 Know spokesperson, Murray Hunter says no law enforcement structure should not be intercepting anyone's phone unless they have a permission of a judge - and only if there is evidence of someone committing a very serious criminal offence.

It is actually worrying that the State Security Agency became involved at the SABC in trying to identify people, perceived as trouble makers, leaking the SABC's financial crisis.

— Murray Hunter, National Coordinator of the Right 2 Know

Hunter says it is worrying that citizens have no right to know when communication is intercepted by these agencies because Rica protects this.

He says it is difficult to know when the State is abusing its powers in tapping people's phones.

The problem is under RICA, if your information is intercepted you will never find out about any go-to means.