Remember though GOR that TG is really a loose forward, though signed on to us as a utility forward, but is brilliant at stand off, although most loose forwards can play at stand off

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Surely you must have had some pacey stand offs in the half century that you have been watching them, although you have listed some skillful but pedestrian 6s. Bernard Watson had reasonable pace in his prime. Had he lost it by time that he came to Dewsbury? Weren't Vasey and Lingard fairly sharp?

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

I understand that you want a stand off with pace, after all I want that too, I'm sure jy mel will pick up pace as the season come on

Not saying we haven't had any decent stand offs kelsey - the Agars were both OK, Nigel Stevenson did it to some effect and Johnny wolford was no mug (although laterly a loose forward), but we've never had a Hardisty, Shoebottom, myler or Topliss, who all took some catching.

Longo was quick - for a dewsbury stand off as was a new zealander called Vincent - but not VERY quick.

Bit unfair to compare against four of the all-time greats.

Doen't mean it's any less of a fact though - we never have done quick. Quickest stand off I ever saw was Ian brooke when he played at wakey - could play stand off or centre and had serious wheels. Think when he moved to bradford he only played at centre.

Maybe not, but you mentioned only four which, spread across your aeons of watching means that every other team has been found wanting too!

Seriously, other than the occasional speedy wingman, our team has rarely featured any fast players has it?

Franny apart we have struggled with the number 6 position for years. It wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for the fact that Batley haven't. We should have picked up Handforth a few years ago, but our friends across the valley got there first. Jy Mel might be the one, but not based on what I saw on Boxing Day. I know there aren't that many out there, but it sucks that we persistently struggle.