Joey Porter has "natural hate" for the Patriots

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 4, 2009, 4:27 PM EDT

Lost in the back-and-forth arising from two games played this year between the Jets and the Dolphins and one game played between the Jets and the Patriots is the fact that the Patriots and the Dolphins still play each other twice, too.

And there’s plenty of animosity between the two franchises, despite the best efforts of the Jets to supersede the rivalry by picking fights with both teams.

For one member of the Dolphins, the roots of his discontent regarding the Patriots predate his arrival in South Florida.

“It goes back to my Pittsburgh days,” linebacker Joey Porter said during a Wednesday conference call, per Albert Breer of the Boston Globe. “I felt a
certain way, after some things came out, way back when I was in
Pittsburgh, some AFC championships I lost to them, couple times. Come
to figure out a few months later why we lost. So yeah, I have a natural
hate for them. Period. And that’s just gonna be with me forever.”

He’s referring to the Patriots’ practice of videotaping defensive coaching signals, which was exposed by the Jets in 2007. Porter believes that this practice — and possibly others — were used during the 2001 and 2004 AFC title games against the Steelers, and that the Pats won both games by cheating.

But he opted not to elaborate on it this time around.

“We do this every year around this time when I do this conference
call,” Porter said. “You know exactly what I’m talking about. And they
know exactly what I’m talking about. And that’s not gonna change.”

What has changed, in Porter’s mind, is the identity of the AFC East’s king of the hill. Despite the Dolphins’ 3-4 record, Porter regards the defending division champs as the current champs.

“The division goes to the last champion, period,” Porter said. “The
last champion was the Miami Dolphins. We have the championship until we
lose it. It’s ours to lose. You can’t just crown the champion because
they used to be the champions back in the day. That hardly makes any
sense. It’s what you did the last year. You’re never judged off of what
you did a couple years ago, it’s what you’re doing now. Last year, we
were the champs.”

Porter’s logic is a bit tortured. The bottom line is that the Patriots are currently 5-2, and the Dolphins are 3-4. Last year has the same relevance as any prior year — none.

Based on right now, Porter and his teammates still have to wipe out a two-game gap between themselves and the Patriots. On Sunday, they can cut that margin in half, or they can watch it increase by 50 percent.

Porter should hate Bill Cowher for losing those AFC championship games not the Pats. Bad coaching

Citizen Strange says:Nov 4, 2009 4:40 PM

Joey Porter has “natural hate” for the Patriots
……. but an “unnatural love” for Tom Brady.

CT Pats Fan says:Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM

“Porter believes that this practice — and possibly others — were used during the 2001 and 2004 AFC title games against the Steelers, and that the Pats won both games by cheating.”
“videotaping defensive coaching signals” wasn’t illegal in either 2001 OR 2004 (as long as it wasn’t used during a game), and other coaches have long admitted to doing it.
So, it comes down to Porter having a “natural” hate for the Patriots because…..he got beaten by them.
Nice, if you’re going to hate on something, may as well hate on getting your ass whooped on the way to watching the Pats rack up the SB’s

Action Dan says:Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM

I’m with Porter. These Fins have a chance of repeating.
And Florio? Last year at this time… the Dolphins were 3-4 and the Pats were 5-2. So let’s not start acting like “the tables have turned” this year.
Looking at their schedule, if they can split with the Pats (considering they are already 3-0 in the AFC East), I like their chances.

Desides says:Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM

“And there’s plenty of animosity between the two franchises, despite the best efforts of the Jets to supersede the rivalry by picking fights with both teams.”
Wait, you mean all this time, the media was focusing on a secondary rivalry in Jets-Patriots, and not a primary rivalry in Dolphins-Patriots? You don’t freaking say.

rusH1023 says:Nov 4, 2009 4:43 PM

He’ll say anything to puff himself up — much like fans of his former team. Get over it. Your team wasn’t as good until recently. Taping signals does not 3 championships make.

straightcashhomey says:Nov 4, 2009 4:43 PM

Joey Porter has 12 tackles for the year. Good times.

BornSlippy says:Nov 4, 2009 4:44 PM

If your that proud of A. Divison championship, won with brady hurt, desperate to stay relevant at 3-4, saw your old team win asuper bowl without you, you have issues joey, such is the case of grown men who still go my the name Joey. Dont be so bitter because the patriots made you and hines cry over the years.

Mad Campah says:Nov 4, 2009 4:44 PM

I am a Pats fan but I will agree with Porter on one thing. I don’t care what anyone’s record is, the Dolphins are the champions and will remain so, at least until the Season ends.

lilmidas50 says:Nov 4, 2009 4:45 PM

i think ur contagious peezy cause i got it 2 bro

danlinker says:Nov 4, 2009 4:46 PM

“Last year has the same relevance as any prior year — none”.
Remember YOU said these words Florio. I will.
I am ready for the next cards post where you try to use something from last year or prior years to knock them.

KILLER FIN says:Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM

GOOD!!! Then apply it to knocking Brady on his @ss all game long!!!

BornSlippy says:Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM

Dolphins fans bring up the first pats game last year but never mention the beatdown the second time around.

JPeterM says:Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM

You know, I keep hearing about how the patriots videotaped signals and it effected the game, but can anyone explain how they did it. The tapes showed they recorded three or four plays of the first quarter. When and how did they use. There is no way they could have decoded an entire defense in the time it takes to play a game. They would have to identify which of the three coaches was giving the real signal and which were the decoys. Then they would have to map out exactly what happened during the play. And they would have to do this in the time it takes to play the game for it to be of value. And who is going to do it since the coaches are on the field the whole time.

The Wishbone says:Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM

LOL
He thinks they lost football games because of a camera? Hate or no hate, he’s got natural ignorance in spades. So I guess he’s not just a coward (remember when he and his friends jumped that guy in that casino?), he’s an ignorant coward.
The Steelers lost both of those games to a better team and a better coach. I guess Porter and Florio are the only two folks left believing that “Spygate” was news. I just wish the dead horse could be left to rot in peace…

danlinker says:Nov 4, 2009 4:52 PM

citizen strange has a funny post, good one

spyboots says:Nov 4, 2009 4:57 PM

He is correct that the Dolphins are the DEFENDING division champs.
And the taping that the Pats did in 2001 WAS illegal.
The Pats*** cheated several other teams out of wins for several years.

Bob Buckowski says:Nov 4, 2009 4:58 PM

Why do people even give Porter the time of day anymore.
He’s as useful as a pile of old rope.

AFCrunsthroughMIA says:Nov 4, 2009 4:58 PM

It’s so funny how no matter what the Dolphins do, the Pats are just locked into winning the division. We proved it last year, we will prove it again this year. We are here to stay, but even after we mop the floor with the Cheatriots, it won’t be enough to consider us to be the team to beat.
NE beat atlanta…thats pretty much it. They lost to the Jets lol! quality wins vs Tampa, Buffalo and Tennessee.
We will see when it’s our turn to face the cupcakes, it starts after we scrape the Pats.

TheDPR says:Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM

Joey Porter is lucky to have a job in the NFL. He’s always been overrated and gets by more on hype and soundbytes than performance.
I have a “natural hate” for Joey Porter.

Rob0729 says:Nov 4, 2009 5:00 PM

Last year, the Pats had the same record as the Dolphins without Tom Brady. The Pats got to 11-5 with Matt Cassell who started zero games since high school before he started last year. Let’s stop putting parallels to last year.
Besides, the Pats only have three more games left against teams with winning records right now (Indy, NO, and Houston).

blackglass says:Nov 4, 2009 5:01 PM

Do the world a favor and hang yourself, Joey. We’d all be better off without your stupidity.

blackglass says:Nov 4, 2009 5:01 PM

Do the world a favor and hang yourself, Joey. We’d all be better off without your stupidity.
It’s worth repeating.

Rob0729 says:Nov 4, 2009 5:02 PM

BTW, Joey should listen to his old coach Bill Cowher who said:
“Is it an advantage to steal signals? Yes. Did it determine the outcome of the game? No.”

obscenery says:Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM

Actually, his logic is sound. He wasn’t asked to give this week’s power rankings. The Dolphins are the defending AFC East Champs, and the Patriots aren’t.
The Cardinals are the NFC Champs, not the Saints.
same thing.

VicksPuppies says:Nov 4, 2009 5:07 PM

So in other words, the Steelers under Cowher used the same defensive signals all the time? Not too clever – up to 50,000 people a game can see those signals. His anger should be with his coach.

Matt Walsh says:Nov 4, 2009 5:10 PM

C’mon Joey, the pats offense knowing what defensive plays you were calling from previously taped games along with defensive players being miked up to steal your offense’s calls had absolutely nothing to do with your losses to the patriots.
wink wink.

nedirect says:Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM

joey porter needs to away. he is a sad combination of jim kelly and mercury morris. he has never won anything and he wont shut up about it. give it up.

Desides says:Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM

@ blackglass
“Do the world a favor and hang yourself, Joey. We’d all be better off without your stupidity.”
In Roger Goodell’s world, this is a racist reference to lynching, and you’ll never be allowed to own an NFL team. In the real world, you’re just an asshole.

Darth Jay says:Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM

Taping those defensive signals must have really helped Troy Brown destroy Pittsburgh on special teams, which, you know, scored 14 out of their 21 points that day. I’m sure there was no possible way they could have scored a TD on Pitt without those tapes, huh Joey?
This guy is a Grade A retard, which is unfortunate, because it makes retards look bad…

SteelCurtnDee says:Nov 4, 2009 5:15 PM

DPR, to say Joey’s always been overrated is just plain ignorant. He was a terror for the Steelers, and nobody wants to admit that just because he has a big mouth and you don’t like him. But you can’t say he was overrated because of that. What about his 17.5 sacks last season?
I’m sure any steelers fan here remember Joey blowing up Peyton Manning several times at the end of the game in Indy during his SB run.

Doctor Connors says:Nov 4, 2009 5:19 PM

Yeah, just imagine what would have happened in that 2001 AFCCG if the Patriots didn’t steal the “special teams signals” on that punt return TD and blocked FG return for another TD.
The Patriots had about 100 yards of offense in that game. Not a good place to start if you want to show how spygate affected games.

hay1111 says:Nov 4, 2009 5:20 PM

“…back when I was in Pittsburgh, some AFC championships I lost to them, couple times. Come to figure out a few months later why we lost.”
Cuz you’re a blowhard douche who talks more than he plays!

Frank says:Nov 4, 2009 5:21 PM

AFCrunsthroughMIA, First of all, your handle is stupid. Miami hasn’t been a championship caliber team for many, many years. They came out with a gimmick offense and caught a few teams by surprise last year. This year is the same as the end of last year… It’s figured out. Now, Jethro, let’s see if you have the onions to come back and pound your chest next week. Your South Beach darlings are going to be buried this weekend. And for good measure, Joey Porter is a no ring has-been.

Doctor Connors says:Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM

Matt Walsh said:
“C’mon Joey, the pats offense knowing what defensive plays you were calling from previously taped games along with defensive players being miked up to steal your offense’s calls had absolutely nothing to do with your losses to the patriots.”
Previously taped games, huh? Interesting how this was the first time the Patriots under Belichick had faced the Steelers. The last time the Patriots themselves faced Pitt was in 1998. Belichick himself last faced them in 1996 I believe.
Who knew? Belichick can tape signals out of thin air.

lowleadman says:Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM

That’s ok Joey. We hate you too. Such a big mouth with erraticlly occasional results. Anyway, plan to have another reason to hate us come Sunday. Jerk.

Crunchy Clam says:Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM

This clown really needs to learn how to shut his mouth. Joey Porter was the king of saying dumb sh*t before the Jets made it fashionable. Glad to have the loud-mouthed bozo back.

ampats says:Nov 4, 2009 5:32 PM

afceastrunsthrumiami?? Haha in your dreams
“NE beat Atlanta,that pretty much it”, too bad Miami LOST to Atlanta, quality wins against Buffalo, Tenn & TB, and lets nit forget that cupcake team the Baltimore Ravens who Miami hasn’t beaten nor can they.
I wouldn’t be spouting off about how your team Miami last week, very lucky you did lose that game, bet you and all the Fin fans were very cofident in the last minute based on all your teams 4th quarter success this season.
Keep talking because Tom Brady is no Mark Sanchize and the Dolphins are going to get lit up again.Bring on the Wildcat!
Nice to see spyboots continuing every year with the same dumb comments about cheating as every post since 2007. Please come up with something new!! Spyb***s, you are a loser, just like your team!

JAYP says:Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM

nedirect and frank, J Peezy has a ring from Super Bowl XL. Get your facts straight.

this class sucks says:Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM

@TheDPR
Didn’t he have around 20 sacks last year? I’m not saying he’s the greatest player ever or anything but he certainly has been a performer and has a Super Bowl ring.

this class sucks says:Nov 4, 2009 5:37 PM

@TheDPR
Didn’t he have around 20 sacks last year? I’m not saying he’s the greatest player ever or anything but he certainly has been a performer and has a Super Bowl ring.

Ralphie says:Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM

I think Joey has an enlarged medulla oblongata.

GRpatriot says:Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM

Maybe Joey should’ve been at the game, oops he was! I guess he forgot Kordells turnovers and Troy Brown on ST’s?
They were so sure they were going to win, they had thier bags packed! Hate away Joey…
Joey loves to talk, but Jason Taylor has outplayed him! Along with most of the D line.
Calvin Pace Jets said the Phins running the Wildcat is cheating!
I just hope Seabass Vollmer 6’8″ 317 pancakes Joey the lip into week 10….The funny thing is Joey is Captain Joey, and Sparono wants it that way??? I don’t get having him as the face of the franchise? Somewhere, Flipper is rolling around in his watery grave…

Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM

Mike Florio said: “Porter’s logic is a bit tortured. The bottom line is that the Patriots are currently 5-2, and the Dolphins are 3-4. Last year has the same relevance as any prior year — none.”
Then you better quit writing the “defending Super Bowl Champions” when referring to the Pittsburgh Steelers…unless you wanna be a H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

MistrezzRachael says:Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM

Have been a Dolphin season ticket holder for 9 years now…and will say Joey is the biggest azzwipe to wear a Dolphin uniform since Collins decided his life as a peeping tom was a turn on…same quality individual.
Parcells NEVER would have paid $20 mill guarantee for someone who couldn’t tackle on the run if his life depended on it. His cap # kills the fins for needed depth.
Porter is Simeon Rice w/a contract, dumber than a bag of rocks…and a disgrace to a proud franchise…Make a run tackle Joey [ 12 in 7 games…a disgrace] and shut up.

Outfoxed says:Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM

Come on Joey and Randy. Let’s keep our opinions to ourselves and take it out on the field. Can ya do that?

TheDPR says:Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM

Dee, he’s never been a complete LB. He’s Shawne Merriman lite. He goes on streaks of success rushing the passer then disappears.
If all you want out of your OLB is the ability to sack the QB, Joey’s your guy. If you want a complete football player, he isn’t.

Tim says:Nov 4, 2009 5:57 PM

Florio, with writing like this, how can I take this website serious?

moral-authority says:Nov 4, 2009 6:02 PM

To all of you Patriot apologist: If Bill Bellicheat didn’t feel it necessary to steal signals he wouldn’t have done & gotton fined a half million $$$! I don’t know if the Fins can beat the Pats, but in sports, particularly football, I like it when someone stands up to the bully. I know one this is for certain, Bellicheat got his ass FIRED from the Browns where, had he been able to do ANYTHING, the title GENIOUS would be applicable. Taking over Bill Parcel’s roster AND philosphy hardly warrants much of anything. Cohwer never got a foot in his ass by management! BTW, Cassel lucked out with the easiest schedule in the NFL according to the NFL in 2008. Funny they get an easy schedule every year. Craft? No thanks. We prefer Montrachet! Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!

TrojanMAAAAAN says:Nov 4, 2009 6:02 PM

@Frank, First of all, you’re a dooshbahg. Nobody is claiming that Miami has been a championship team for many, many years…only that they are currently the AFC East Champs (suck on it). They came out with a “power run” formation…if you want to call it a gimmick, then you should do the same with the “forward pass” the “fake punt/kick” and the “end around”…get over it, you want to discount it because your team didn’t think of it first. And how can it possibly be “figured out”…it’s a formation not a trick…if its “figured out” because it didnt gain 100 yards then I guess every formation is “figured out”…there are too many variations for it to be figured out (which you’ll see on Sunday). Now, lamestain, if you want to make predictions about the game, why don’t you try to figure out how many times Porter and Taylor are going to be helping that gimp Brady off the turf this weekend.
thank you, that is all.

AFCrunsthroughMIA says:Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM

All the Pats haters:
Lets say the Pats win this sunday, which is possible (not likely) but possible. You wanna tell me that the Phins have no shot of beating Car, TB, Buf, Ne@home, Ten, Jax, Hou. You pats fans are way too arrogant.
You cheat and win, and can’t win an SB since you get caught. This includes an absolutely embarrassing performance when YOU WERE UNDEFEATED. Had a chance to eclipse our perfect season and guess what? You failed and I laughed my balls off! This AFC East race isn’t over by any means. We are 3-0 in the division with 4 losses against probably the toughest teams we play this year excluding PIT and NE.
We will see Sunday.
RB23 GONNA RUN A TRAIN ON YOU!

Deb says:Nov 4, 2009 6:19 PM

@rusH1023 … Oh. My. Gosh. I answered you on another post because I thought you were just a run-of-the-mill doofus. Now I realize I’m in the presence of a full-blown certifiable lunatic. Steelers fans don’t have to invent team lore. And we had the highest winning percentage in the NFL over the 14 years Bill Cowher was coach, so I’m not sure what you mean by “your team wasn’t as good until recently.”
Did they let you out or did you escape? Will there be a movie?
The Pats have been a fine team and I’m not going to say the taping is the reason they won three championships. But taping competitors was wrong and no sane person could blame Joey for still being pissed about it. (Love you, Joey! And the Dolphins will be division champs until they’re unseated–just like the Titans. You’re not the one with tortured logic.)

tj.52 says:Nov 4, 2009 6:19 PM

What cheating, Joey? WTF are you talking about? Do you have any clue as to what you are talking about?
If one hater can come on this board and explain to me in an intelligent and comprehensible manner wtf they are trying to imply with all of their “cheating” bs and make a point for their side then I will never say another word about it.
I’m so sick of the one-word ignorance being plied by these utter morons out there, especially the ones who call themselves “professionals”.
Joey Porter = FAIL
New England Patriots Haters = FAIL
Make your point or STFU

Murabma says:Nov 4, 2009 6:31 PM

There you have it, Pats* fans–the asterisk will never go away, so get over it. I’m not a Fins fan, but Porter is right. You cheated, got caught and now have to live with the consequences, one of which is a taint on all of your “accomplishments”, personal and team. As was pointed out in a NYT article in May, 2007, members of the NFL competition committee were quoted as saying that the Pats* were suspected of a lot more than just the taping over the years. In fact, one person on the committee said that it was really only one team–the Pats*– who they heard about in terms of cheating allegations over and over again (like Del Rio and Marinelli complaining about headsets going out at odd times in Gillette, for ex.). Don’t believe me? Go look it up. The truth hurts…..

slipkid says:Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM

what teams does he get sacks against?
this year, not many…
take away the matt cassel game in ’08
the cleveland game in ’05 (41-0)
NE game in ’04
oakland in ’02
tampa in ’01
cincy in ’00
non-factor
1 impact game from 2006 on.

copes cabana says:Nov 4, 2009 7:01 PM

# rusH1023 says: November 4, 2009 4:43 PM
He’ll say anything to puff himself up — much like fans of his former team. Get over it. Your team wasn’t as good until recently. Taping signals does not 3 championships make.
apparently it does. ha
From Joey’s time as a Steeler I have learned a few things. He may be a loud mouthed idiot off the field, but he was the best teammate I have ever seen. In 05 he bought the team Lebeau jerseys for the Detroit game, Cowher for cleveland game, and Bettis Notre Dame for the plane ride to detroit for the superbowl. also he went to cowher and asked to have Jerome lead the team on the field (which was his job on the biggest stage of his career). He then held up his teammates so that Jerome could have a minute on the field alone. He will always be one of my favorite Steelers, and I hope he hurts (not injures, never want anyone injured) Brady all game, and the dolphins (and everyone else) whoops up on them every chance they get.

droppingloads says:Nov 4, 2009 7:03 PM

1 thing Joey Porter doesn’t hate?
STEROIDS!!!!

PayDoh says:Nov 4, 2009 7:17 PM

Porter is such a douchebag. Guy would be in prison if he didn’t play football.

blackglass says:Nov 4, 2009 7:17 PM

Wow, some of you guys are so full of hate on the Patriots. If you can’t beat ‘em, complain about ‘em.
In 20 years, they will be discussing Bill Belichick’s entry into the Hall Of Fame and how the Patriots were the first Dynasty of the 21st Century. You peons with your cute little *’s and “Cheatriot” comments are loud and vocal; but in no way the majority of sports fans, writers, players, or owners.
Oh, and the 18-1 comments are starting to show thier age. I would much rather be a fan of a team that took the ultimate shot at glory and missed, than a team who gets around 12 or 13 – 0 and rests it’s starters for the playoffs.

davis1281 says:Nov 4, 2009 7:37 PM

moral-authority says:
November 4, 2009 6:02 PM
To all of you Patriot apologist: If Bill Bellicheat didn’t feel it necessary to steal signals he wouldn’t have done & gotton fined a half million $$$! I don’t know if the Fins can beat the Pats, but in sports, particularly football, I like it when someone stands up to the bully. I know one this is for certain, Bellicheat got his ass FIRED from the Browns where, had he been able to do ANYTHING, the title GENIOUS would be applicable. Taking over Bill Parcel’s roster AND philosphy hardly warrants much of anything. Cohwer never got a foot in his ass by management! BTW, Cassel lucked out with the easiest schedule in the NFL according to the NFL in 2008. Funny they get an easy schedule every year. Craft? No thanks. We prefer Montrachet! Go Steelers!!!!!!!!!!
——————————————–
first if you are going to talk shit, try and know what you are talking
about!
First you say “he did nothing in clevland”
they went to the playoffs and beat the patriots.
Then you say he took over bills team, wrong
again! P. Carol was there 3 yrs in between .
Then you said they get an easy schedule every
yr, The schedules are made 5 yrs in advance except
Hate on hater, hate on……..

davis1281 says:Nov 4, 2009 7:48 PM

Murabma says:
November 4, 2009 6:31 PM
There you have it, Pats* fans–the asterisk will never go away, so get over it. I’m not a Fins fan, but Porter is right. You cheated, got caught and now have to live with the consequences, one of which is a taint on all of your “accomplishments”, personal and team. As was pointed out in a NYT article in May, 2007, members of the NFL competition committee were quoted as saying that the Pats* were suspected of a lot more than just the taping over the years. In fact, one person on the committee said that it was really only one team–the Pats*– who they heard about in terms of cheating allegations over and over again (like Del Rio and Marinelli complaining about headsets going out at odd times in Gillette, for ex.). Don’t believe me? Go look it up. The truth hurts…..
………………………………………….
Uh new York times, you think?
I can direct you to articals that say
it was no different than advanced
scouting.
Go look it up. The truth hurts …..
Dumbass jets fan!

Ken1313 says:Nov 4, 2009 7:51 PM

Of course he does……..the Patriots cost him all that money he put down on airfare and hotel rooms for the Super Bowls…..LOL
PS : Joey….the feeling is mutual

Patriots51 says:Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM

Taking over Bill Parcel’s roster AND philosphy hardly warrants much of anything.
you DO realize belichick took over for Pete Carroll and not parcells right?… Belichick also drafted Brady, Seymour (when everyone wanted david terrell) and matt light between 2000-2001…. THOSE are why they won 3 superbowls… not the old men from parcells era like

dracula58 says:Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM

Shut up Joey. The Patriots are the team of the decade. The Steelers are the team of the SuperBowl era. I can live with that.

Boring Tuna says:Nov 4, 2009 8:47 PM

If there’s one thing that both Patriots and Dolphins fans can agree on, it’s disdain for fatass Rex Ryan and the loudmouth OTA champions, Jets.

wock says:Nov 4, 2009 8:52 PM

No matter how you feel about Joey Porter – you have to respect someone who tells it like it is.
The Patriots are Cheats. They cheated successfully for over 8 years… and from the evidence which came out – Bill Belicheck, the entire coaching staff, significant portions of the front office, and QB Tom Brady were all deeply involved in the illegal activity. On top of that… head coach Bill Belicheck out and out LIED about the activity repeatedly. Sure, he came up with a “rule interpretation” CYA statement afterward, that Pats lap up like stray dogs in an August mudhole… but there are ‘half a million’ reasons for believing Bill Belicheck is not only a low class, arrogant, piss poor excuse for a human being… but a LIAR as well.
As little practical punishment as it was… $750,000 dollars and the loss of a 1st round draft pick represent the largest fine ever handed out by the NFL. There is a reason for that. Unlike most other players in the league – almost ALL sportswriters – and the great majority of Patriot fans themselves (who’ve lowered themselves to the same arrogant and low class as Belicheck)… Porter says what every non-Patriot player/fan/coach is thinking.
Cheats fans will whine about… “…but look what we did the year after! That proves we weren’t benefiting from cheating!” Does it really?????? They neglect to remind people that that off-season they acquired Adalius Thomas (that years premier free agent), Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, Kelly Washington, and MORE!
Porter should be angry, as should every team, player, coach, fan, and gambler – edged out by the Pats (who on paper, shouldn’t have been winning games they were winning) over the EIGHT YEARS this franchise CHEATED.
I do think the Patriots are a great team… but there is no way any of their accomplishments team-wise or individually should ever be even mentioned without the caveat that they were accomplished during a time period that the franchise engaged in CHEATING. Kudos to Joey Porter!
As for Bill Belicheck… the only difference between him and Rex Ryan class-wise, is Bill is quieter.

SmackMyVickUp says:Nov 4, 2009 8:57 PM

when I was in Pittsburgh, some AFC championships I lost to them, couple times.
————–
Losing does that to people. I can see him building up a lot of natural hate for every team but the Bills and Jets.

Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:Nov 4, 2009 9:27 PM

Patriots51 says: November 4, 2009 7:57 PM
“Taking over Bill Parcel’s roster AND philosphy hardly warrants much of anything.
you DO realize belichick took over for Pete Carroll and not parcells right?… Belichick also drafted Brady, Seymour (when everyone wanted david terrell) and matt light between 2000-2001…. THOSE are why they won 3 superbowls… not the old men from parcells era like…”
I’ll take a shot at finishing that for ya.
Like Parcells drafted Pro Bowlers and team captains Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Troy Brown, Ted Johnson etc.
But don’t let the truth get in the way of anything here. LOL.

Deb says:Nov 4, 2009 9:34 PM

@tj.52 … I get that you’re bitter over the cheating allegations (and note that I gave props to NE in my earlier post). But Joey Porter has been to the Pro Bowl four times and has a Super Bowl ring. He’s not a failure.
@SmackMyVickUp … Cowher’s 14 years = highest winning percentage in the NFL. If you can’t say anything intelligent, don’t speak.
@PayDoh and droppingloads … and you both know these things because … ? Right. What I said to the last guy.

Deb says:Nov 4, 2009 9:37 PM

@copes cabana … Thanks for explaining why I will always love Joey. But I think you’re wasting your keystrokes talking heart to people who have no brains.

Furious George says:Nov 4, 2009 9:42 PM

can one of you obviously very smart peeps please explain how it is “cheating” to tape something in plain view of 70,000 people? i can see it being against the rules, but how are you going to tell me, or anyone, exactly what the benefit of looking through a lens vs binoculars is?

davis1281 says:Nov 4, 2009 9:43 PM

Wock says. cheat fans will whine about… “…but look what we did the year after! That proves we weren’t benefiting from cheating!” Does it really?????? They neglect to remind people that that off-season they acquired Adalius Thomas (that years premier free agent), Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth, Kelly Washington, and MORE!
………………………………………………
Like Pittsburg fans will neglect to remind people
the 2001 afc chmp game was won bc of a punt ret
for a td and a blocked fg ret for a td. Last I
checked special teams have nothing to do with def signals
And in 04 Pitt beat ne in the reg season,
did they forget to cheat that game?
And they also neglect to mention Pitt
had a chance to get back in the 04 afc chp
game and went for it on 4th and short and the
bus was stuffed! Again what does video of def signals
have to do with that?
Hate on hater, hate on………..

Debacled says:Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM

# tj.52 says: November 4, 2009 6:19 PM
What cheating, Joey? WTF are you talking about? Do you have any clue as to what you are talking about?
If one hater can come on this board and explain to me in an intelligent and comprehensible manner wtf they are trying to imply with all of their “cheating” bs and make a point for their side then I will never say another word about it.
I’m so sick of the one-word ignorance being plied by these utter morons out there, especially the ones who call themselves “professionals”.
Joey Porter = FAIL
New England Patriots Haters = FAIL
Make your point or STFU
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18-1* = EPIC FAIL

Rasputin says:Nov 4, 2009 9:57 PM

Joey has a natural hate for logical thought as well.

mborz says:Nov 4, 2009 10:08 PM

Well, it’s obvious that this topic still causes a great deal of pain to Patriots fans, judging by their collective response.
The thing that puzzles me is this: Not a single Patriots fan (that I’ve seen, anyway) blames Belichick for his role in this mess. The 3 Super Bowls were already in the bag when the memo went out explicitly stating that all teams needed to stop filming. Bill went ahead and did it anyway, throwing the whole of what he and the Patriots accomplished into question in some people’s minds.
Why did he do it? I don’t know. I would like to know what he was thinking, to be honest. If I was a Patriots fan, I would be mad as hell for him ignoring that memo. Especially if filming wasn’t really that valuable in the first place.
Patriots fans can say they don’t care about it, that it doesn’t mean anything that other people complain, but the fact that they so vehemently respond like this every time the topic is brought up indicates otherwise.
For the record, I don’t consider the Patriots cheaters, I think their three championships were a result of a great team that made clutch plays when they needed to, and that’s what made the difference (it typically does when the playoffs roll around).

Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:Nov 4, 2009 10:10 PM

# Deb says: November 4, 2009 9:34 PM
“@tj.52 … I get that you’re bitter over the cheating allegations (and note that I gave props to NE in my earlier post). But Joey Porter has been to the Pro Bowl four times and has a Super Bowl ring. He’s not a failure.
@SmackMyVickUp … Cowher’s 14 years = highest winning percentage in the NFL. If you can’t say anything intelligent, don’t speak.
@PayDoh and droppingloads … and you both know these things because … ? Right. What I said to the last guy.”
Now I see why they pay you the big bucks to do what you do, Deb.
“Did they let you out or did you escape? Will there be a movie?”
I may have to keep this one and use it later. Haha, nice…

Furious George says:Nov 4, 2009 10:15 PM

# Furious George says: November 4, 2009 9:42 PM
can one of you obviously very smart peeps please explain how it is “cheating” to tape something in plain view of 70,000 people? i can see it being against the rules, but how are you going to tell me, or anyone, exactly what the benefit of looking through a lens vs binoculars is?
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anyone? Bueller?

overkil2 says:Nov 4, 2009 11:03 PM

I’m going to preface this by saying that I am a huge Dolphin fan.
1 – Porter is an assclown. STFU and do something this year.
2 – Belichek is an amazing coach who has kept that team on an amazing run. I hate him!! lol
3 – Cheating, no cheating? You still have to make plays and let’s be real, I’m pretty sure most teams do soemthing like that.
4 – You clowns talk about the Fins not deserving that win against the Jets, well, we deserved to win against the Colts and didn’t so it all evens out, no?
5 – The Wildcat is a formation that takes advantages of the Fins best players. If you can contain it, great, if you can’t STFU and and stop bitching about it and do more homework next time.
6 – Rex Ryan and Bart Scott are loud mouth whiney little bitches just like their fans.
7 – Pats are playing well so I’m not as confident as my brethren, but I feel we have a chance to win the game if we can control the ball on offense.
8 – There are too many people on PFT who have no clue what the hell they are talking about.
9 – Even though Ginn sucks as a #1 receiver, I’d still rather have him instead of Roy Williams. At least Ginn can return kicks.
10 – Waandstadt, Cameron and Saban can all suck my nutsack. You guys have brought a franchise down to it’s knees.

Deb says:Nov 4, 2009 11:08 PM

@Az-Wee-Pay …. Hey there!! Thanks!! I really like your posts, too, especially the H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E one. Florio lost me on the tortured logic thing.
@Furious George … You shouldn’t confuse the fact that people ignore you with their inability to answer. I’ll make it simple: When the NFL makes a rule and notifies EVERYONE about the rule and one coach knowingly breaks the rule, that’s called cheating. It’s the same whether you’re playing pro football or Monopoly. You have to follow the rules.
Do I think the taping is the reason they won their Super Bowls? No, I pretty much agree with mborz’s post a couple of places above yours. But like it or not, the rules apply to EVERYONE. Now hush!

Claybourne says:Nov 4, 2009 11:18 PM

Furious George says:
November 4, 2009 10:15 PM
# Furious George says: November 4, 2009 9:42 PM
can one of you obviously very smart peeps please explain how it is “cheating” to tape something in plain view of 70,000 people? i can see it being against the rules, but how are you going to tell me, or anyone, exactly what the benefit of looking through a lens vs binoculars is?
—————–
anyone? Bueller?
>>>>>>>>>>
And don’t forget to mention that taping defensive signals is LEGAL (and I believe most teams participate in the practice with a few saying they don’t bother as they don’t see the value in it) -but there are rules stating that you can only tape from a specified area (which is either from the sidelines or the stands (but not both I guess)).

Deb says:Nov 4, 2009 11:21 PM

@overkil2 … appropriate name.

Canyonero says:Nov 4, 2009 11:53 PM

I dig Joey Porter and I don’t give a crap what anyone has to say about it

overkil2, amen…
Porter may talk alot, but he is a GREAT teammate. It just really starts to get annoying when he isn’t backing it up… We’ll see what happens Sunday. Either way, it should be a great game.

Deb says:Nov 5, 2009 11:58 AM

@finsbooyah …
I love Joey and miss having him on the Steelers. And I know he’s fighting to back up everything he says. But the reality is that he’s 32 or 33 and slowing down. That’s why the Steelers let him go and replaced him with Harrison–and we made the right move for the team. If we’d re-signed him, he would have been able to give us another good year or two. But after that he would have cost more than he’d have been able to deliver. Heart goes a long long way, but the body wears down eventually. So that’s why he’s not backing it up to the degree he once did. The same is true for Jason Taylor. And I think the Ravens will find going forward that they’ve paid more for Lewis than they should have.
The downside of free agency for players is that teams can no longer afford to let their stars stay in the uniform as they age. It’s sad, but the teams who try it end up with expensive players who can’t live up to their contracts. The tricky thing is being able to gauge when it’s time to cut one loose. Pittsburgh’s pretty good at it. Apparently Green Bay, not so much.

CKL says:Nov 5, 2009 12:17 PM

mborz says: November 4, 2009 10:08 PM
Well, it’s obvious that this topic still causes a great deal of pain to Patriots fans, judging by their collective response.
The thing that puzzles me is this: Not a single Patriots fan (that I’ve seen, anyway) blames Belichick for his role in this mess. The 3 Super Bowls were already in the bag when the memo went out explicitly stating that all teams needed to stop filming. Bill went ahead and did it anyway, throwing the whole of what he and the Patriots accomplished into question in some people’s minds.
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Pats fan here. I do blame him. He’s the one who made the decision to continue it. I feel he was pushing the envelope big time after the memo was distributed. He accepted the blame too.
That said, I agree it didn’t have that type of effect (being the or even a reason they won SBs), it just isn’t possible logically speaking. I believe he did it because those tapes were used in scouting tendencies and it was more efficient than doing it manually. Efficiency is huge to BB. I think he felt it was worth the risk to keep doing it because he felt he could explain the logic behind it and how it fit into what the rule was (That what he was doing didn’t violate it). He was wrong. He IS wrong… sometimes.
overkil2-good stuff dude! I don’t hate the Fins though I should because they often have the Pats (and Brady’s in particular) number. I respect that. I save ALL my division hate for the J-E-S-T-S!

Pablo0620 says:Nov 5, 2009 12:25 PM

“Last year has the same relevance as any prior year — none. ”
Explain to me then the definition of “defending champs”
Are the Lakers not the NBA defending champs?
Are the Steelers not the NFL defending champs? The 7-0 Saints and Colts are not defending champs and they have better records than the Steelers. Sure the Dolphins are not the team to beat in the AFC East (even though our division record is better than the Pats) but we aren’t talking about “team to beat” we are talking about defending champs. And the way we outplayed and should have beat the Colts and Saints, the Pats better watch out.

tj.52 says:Nov 5, 2009 1:09 PM

(hand to ear)……just crickets and jackasses.
Right again, tj, right again.

Deb says:Nov 5, 2009 1:41 PM

(hand to ear) … irrelevant yeehawing.
Yep, tj’s back.

texasPHINSfan says:Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM

jesus.
first off, i’ll say i don’t think the patriots cheating had any real effect on the games in question. Joey has a right to be upset, but i don’t think that caused the outcome…. but the dude has a right to be upset about that.
second – the dude talks. a lot. but he also produces. this season he’s been largely injured, so poor sample. but you can’t tell me he was a force last year for the defense, and we all know how good he was in pittsburgh. porter had, what, 17.5 sacks last year? how many guys on your team had that many sacks? when was the last time you had a guy with that many sacks on your team in a year? my point isn’t to brag about porter, just not to slight him because he talks. YES he talks (too much for most of us), but at least he backs it up.
third – until the patriots win the division this year (yes, i’m predicting they do), the dolphins ARE the division champs. once won, the title is held until the end of the following year… just like the superbowl champs are still the superbowl champs all year.
fourth – i’m not very optimistic about this game. we tend to play much better when we play the pats, but they’re a better team and i’ll admit it. it doesn’t take a genuis to admit that. the patriots overmatch us in many facets when you stack up the teams. especially QB & WR.

john25 says:Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM

How many tackles did big mouth Joey have in the game???? That’s right a big ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s just sore the Pats whipped his Steelers in two AFC title games. And the Pats won last Sunday over the Fins. 27-17. Take that big mouth. Enjoy watching the Pats in the playoffs again.