"It's incredible. If he has places to go, let him do something else. What does he want us to do, swing at balls?"

Mo's response to Joe West's statement that the Yanks-Red Sux game's many player-caused delays were a "disgrace to the game.". Very clever. Maybe West was thinking of those three calls in that ALCS last year.

[0] We had this painting hanging in the stariwell in my house when I was a kid! (er..a copy of this painting, obviously..)

[1] thelarmis, kid i met last night is 17-year old drummer who loves free jazz..really digs Hans Bennink, Tony Oxley, Elvin Jones, etc. He got into the free stuff when he 15! I was still stuck on Led Zeppelin in high school...

[4] Dude, I still "Get the Led Out" when popping some brewskies too! (Ok, that's enough classic rock talk, back to jazz please!!)

What I did not first understand about free jazz was that it is NOT about being out of control..someone like Coltrane or Dolphy were incredibly IN control in even their most "free" pieces..but the volume/energy puts off new listeners, I know.

[5] i just poured my 3rd beer and listened to a lot of metal today! can't wait to spin the new Over Kill cd tomorrow, before my jazz gig! : )

yeah man, "free" jazz is anything but free. whether it's Ornette, Cecil Taylor or Sun Ra, all those guys new all the "rules". it's hard to put it in terms, but i can totally smell out the folks that just play "out" for the sake of it and think it's hip. i can spot that in less than an iota of a new york minute! it's not about being 'weird' or hitting a wrong note. (i think it's the note choices and timbre that ruffles folks feathers the wrong way, moreso than the volume/energy.)

but you need to know all the theory, forms, rules, et al, before going "outside" them. it takes years of study and big ears. also, depth of emotion inside the musical soul. i find a lot of beauty in the avant-garde. that's not to say i love all of it. same as any genre, it's got all kinds of styles and it's good & bad.

[6] Right, it's amazing listening to Ornette play on those early 60s albums..obviously from a distance it's hard tim understand how people reacted to it back then. I can hear the blues in his alto sax, and his playing seems so logical...

Joe West is a jerk and a shitty ump. You just KNOW he will try to 'speed the game up' his own way, by calling Strikes and bad pitches.

Sox/Yanks games are battles with many men on base and many runs scored. That is the primary reason they are long.

However, the article mentioned one inning where Posada went to the Mound EIGHT times. That's NG. I would like to see a rule limiting that. The P and C should be on the same page. Same with stalling to give the BP some time. That should be a managers role.

I also don't like batters that step out after every pitch. Maybe that should be limited, along with the time a pitcher holds the ball. It's not about the length of game for me, but about the continuity of the battle.

I am not bothered by the delays. If I were, I would watch the two hour version. If it is not over when I get tired when watching, so what. I'll get the score in the morning, watch the highlights, or watch the replay of the innings i missed. I will also read the game line and look at the pictures.