Demos (inc police injuries and arrests) are on BBC News 24 ticker (BBC 1 news only just starting, other channels don't have news on Saturdays). The defacing of the war memorial isn't mentioned, but the pix are on the online sites of print media.

I'm surprised they didn't leave Gove as Whip, because of what is needed when there is you job a slender majority.

Summary of HRAct:Right to lifeFreedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatmentRight to liberty and securityFreedom from slavery and forced labourRight to a fair trialNo punishment without lawRespect for your private and family life, home and correspondenceFreedom of thought, belief and religionFreedom of expressionFreedom of assembly and associationRight to marry and start a familyProtection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedomsRight to peaceful enjoyment of your propertyRight to educationRight to participate in free elections

Im beginning to think that the Education dept was just a practice run on what damage he is really capable of.

I thought they were simply coming out of the European Convention for HR so that illegal migrants and criminal foreign nationals couldn't appeal on so many of them to stay in the UK. I thought the regular person would be largely unaffected.

It depends what the alternative is, they want to change the HRA for a British bill of rights but it's not clear what rights this will enshrine.

Pulling out of ECHR would mean nobody bring able to bring a case against the uk govt for discrimination, the number of decisions that benefit poorly represented minorities far outweighs the perceived negative of being unable to deport suspects for trial where they may be tortured.

Maternity policy in the uk for example has been improved by ECHR precedents.

fenny - under a government which seeks to deport first so that deported immigrants would only be allowed to appeal after they've been removed, it's pretty likely that not only irregular immigrants will be hit by the removal of human rights. And anyhow, the argument that it's only foreigners who need to worry so it's alright, is pretty yucky in my view.

We've already got a state which imprisons migrants for as long as it wants to, sometimes years, under the euphemism of "administrative detention".