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Meet the Champion 4 MAX Round Front toilet, the undisputed leader in high performance toilets. With the industry's widest 2-3/8 in. trap way and 4 in. flush valve, it virtually eliminated clogged toilets for homeowners and call backs for plumbers. The Champion 4 will move a mass 70% larger than the industry standard. It achieves the highest bulk removal rating of 1,000 grams and will even flush a bucket of golf balls. Which means you can flush with confidence.

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Alabaster, al

March 7, 2013

We just recently installed a champion 4 max toilet and have a leak coming from one side if the tank. It appears to be coming from the bolt, but it could be I guess coming from somewhere else and running down the bolt making it appear that the leak is where bolt is. The bolt is tight as can be so we are trying to figure out what is the best course of action that we should do to try to stop this leak without total removal and return of the product.

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As others have said, make sure the leak isn't coming from the blue flapper ring, which appears to be a common problem with this toilet.

I bought a new ring, but still didn't fix the problem. Then, sandwiched the old and new rings together before re-installing. And like magic, leak stopped.

So my suggestion is order a new ring, and use the old and new together. It's about a 10-minute job.

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I had the same problem with the same toilet. Unfortunately the new gasket won't fix it. The problem is that the porcelain inside the tank where the flush valve gasket seats is poorly finished and mine had a large lump in it. Note that I had already exchanged the first one and found the same problem on the second. I removed the flush valve (you will need a special plastic wrench for this which AmericanRead More

I had the same problem with the same toilet. Unfortunately the new gasket won't fix it. The problem is that the porcelain inside the tank where the flush valve gasket seats is poorly finished and mine had a large lump in it. Note that I had already exchanged the first one and found the same problem on the second. I removed the flush valve (you will need a special plastic wrench for this which American Standard will gladly send you along with a new flush valve if you tell them this is the source of the leak.) located the raised area and gently ground it down with a dremel. You could probably use a tile stone, file or something similar. Wear a mask.....porcelain dust can't be good to breath in. Basically just clean up the area where the flush valve seats and make sure there are no large variations around the area. Put it all back together (you should not need any type of silicone) and you should be leak free. I suspect there are a large lot of these toilets with the same issue. But otherwise it's a great toilet. Hope this works for you.Read Less

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Your leak is very likely not from the tank bolts. It's probably coming from the rubber gasket between the tank and the bottom part of the toilet. The leaking water is probably running along the bottom of the tank to where the bolts are and that's where you're noticing it. Drain the tank and remove it. Then make sure the gasket is on correctly.

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Try this plumber's trick, buy an extra tank bolt kit and double nut and double gasket the tank. That is, the tank bolt with a flat rubber gasket through the bottom of tank and then a second flat rubber gasket with a metal washer and nut. This will sandwich the bottom tank doubling the sealing. Then use a third gasket with metal washer and nut for bolting to the bowl. Also, used a large pliers to removeRead More

Try this plumber's trick, buy an extra tank bolt kit and double nut and double gasket the tank. That is, the tank bolt with a flat rubber gasket through the bottom of tank and then a second flat rubber gasket with a metal washer and nut. This will sandwich the bottom tank doubling the sealing. Then use a third gasket with metal washer and nut for bolting to the bowl. Also, used a large pliers to remove the 4 inch nut from the flush valve. Cleaned all the nylon galling from the threads and then add some lube like plumbers grease or vaseline to the threads and tighten the nut by hand while pushing down on the flush valve body. This should fix any tank leak.Read Less

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Might want to try taking the bolt out, and using some silicone seal under the rubber washers.

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Check to make sure the leak isn't coming from the rubber gasket between the tank and the bowl. If that gasket is not put on correctly, you'll get a leak there and you'll probably think it's coming from the tank bolts.

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Just wanted to give an update to our leaky problem and to thank all that responded to our question. We decided to drain the tank and remove the bolts to make sure the tank position is aligned, and to also switch the bolts and place in the opposite holes to see if the leak occurs on the left side of the tank after the switch, since the bolt on the right was the one with the leak. We re-tighten both boltsRead More

Just wanted to give an update to our leaky problem and to thank all that responded to our question. We decided to drain the tank and remove the bolts to make sure the tank position is aligned, and to also switch the bolts and place in the opposite holes to see if the leak occurs on the left side of the tank after the switch, since the bolt on the right was the one with the leak. We re-tighten both bolts together trying to keep them evenly tightened. Once again the leak has appeared and now is on both sides....it may be more on the left side. We have not yet tried the suggestion of adding the silicon sealant just yet., but I have called American Standard who is sending a new gasket and new bolts to us which should arrive early next week. The guy I spoke to said this will fix it, but we will not be able to use the plastic tools that came with the toilet, it will require regular tools which we have. I too asked if they have been called about this problem before and they have.....which is why they are sending a better gasket and bolts. I guess if you installed and don't have a leak the materials that come with the toilet are fine, but if you have a leak, call American Standard for the other parts they are mailing to us. If these new parts don't fix the problem, then I think we have a crack in the tank.....if that is the case (hope not) then I hope we can just get a new tank and not have to remove the whole toilet......that would be a nightmare.Read Less

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Please contact American Standard Techical Support for assistance regarding you issue.

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1. If it's a new installation and the leak is only a slight seepage, it may fix itself in a couple of days after the rubber gaskets under the bolt heads have had time to seat themselves. When I installed mine, that was the case. In a couple of days, the seepage stopped on its own.

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Two things to consider:

1. If it's a new installation and the leak is only a slight seepage, it may fix itself in a couple of days after the rubber gaskets under the bolt heads have had time to seat themselves. When I installed mine, that was the case. In a couple of days, the seepage stopped on its own.

2. If it's a more substantial or persistent leak, you may want to drain the tank and loosen both bolts. Check the rubber gaskets to be sure there are no cracks or other flaws in the rubber. Then tighten both bolts to the same torque. Sometimes when the bolt on one side is tighter than the bolt on the other side, it will cause one side to leak.Read Less

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Unless there is a hairline (very small) crack in the porcelain of the tank, I believe your assessment of a leak coming from the tank mounting bolt is correct. There is a rubber washer between the head of the bolt and the tank. That washer could have a cut or other defect. As a first step, I would drain the tank, sop up any remaining water in the bottom of the tank, and removed the offending bolt. Let theRead More

Unless there is a hairline (very small) crack in the porcelain of the tank, I believe your assessment of a leak coming from the tank mounting bolt is correct. There is a rubber washer between the head of the bolt and the tank. That washer could have a cut or other defect. As a first step, I would drain the tank, sop up any remaining water in the bottom of the tank, and removed the offending bolt. Let the tank air dry, dry the bolt and washer, and use some silicon sealant (not a latex caulk) to coat the area of the bolt head where it touches the rubber washer, then coat the back of the washer where it will contact the bottom of the tank. Reassemble to the bolt in the bottom of the tank, tighten very carefully, and let the silicon sealant set for an hour or so, then refill the tank. Rather than just removing the leaking bolt, I would also loosen the other tank bolt to relieve the pressure on the big flush valve sealing washer. Then re-tighten both bolts together trying to keep them evenly tightened. I have attached a photo showing the 2 tank mounting bolts and their associated rubber washersRead Less

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New seat is very easy to install, so a compatible replacement seat should be just as easy.

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Yes, it is. Mounting hardware is the same as with a standard toilet seat.

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Just as easy. In fact, Kohler has a slow closing model that lets you quickly pop the seat off and on for cleaning without have to remove the screws and bolts.

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Yes. The seat mounts just like any other toilet seat. A replacement slow closing seat is probably available on the American Standard website.

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The Champion takes a standard size seat so any seat that American Standard offers will fit.

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The spec sheet on American Standard's website has all the measurements. Mine is in a 60" wide bathroom and there is plenty of room in front of the toilet so I imagine it would be fine for your room.

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It's 28 inches from wall to front of bowl for the round unit. There should plenty of legroom at 47 inch depth.

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Due to the new flush standard, the tank is not as wide as older tanks. I went with this model, because of the round bowl, which gives a little more room in the bathroom.

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My bathroom is 45" wide and I still have 22" to walk past the toilet to get to the shower. Just make sure you don't get the elongated toilet.

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Your bathroom is smaller than mine. Mine is 52" with almost 14" rough. So my toilet tank is 2.5" from wall and leaves just enough room for the door to open and close. The toilet is chair height, so you don't need a lot of leg room because you are sitting higher up.

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Toilet flush is much more quiet than I've ever encountered before. I can't see it being near a bedroom being a problem.

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We do not test our toilets for the flushing noise. We can suggest that the larger the flush valve, the more powerful the flush is. This toilet would have our largest flush valve.

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Rated 4.2 out of 5 by 291
reviewers.

Rated 5.0 out of 5.0 by Thunder CHAMPION 4 MAX
Nice improvements in attaching seat and base to floor. Rubber studs insert in the seat holes with built in threads. You just screw from the top and tighter down. Plastic triangle nuts attach the base to the floor, no tools needed.
I wear medical bags and need a powerful flush and will see how well this toilet with the largest drain will do!
October 4, 2016

Rated 4.0 out of 5.0 by Roadrunner Very good toilet with no clogs!
We got a pair of these, one for each bathroom we were remodeling. Other than getting a broken one right out of the box (which was easily replaced by our local Home Depot), they have worked very well. We needed the round front because of tight tolerances in our bathroom with the doors. I’m glad the American Standard was available in this round front configuration. The installation was simple and they have held up well to daily use. I have had to adjust the float/valve on one of the toilets once as it started to fill with water on its own. It seems like something became out of adjustment and it was trying to keep the tank slightly too full. The seat/lid is a little flimsy but so far has held up and the slow close feature is nice. In almost two years of use with two toilets, we have never clogged one and we have teenagers (with friends who hang out at and... use our house).
October 3, 2016

Rated 4.0 out of 5.0 by sandymom2 Works as claimed
This toilet is advertised as being able to flush 20 ping pong balls. I believe that it would! It works well. The toilet seat is a self closing seat and that part works wells. The seat itself is just not comfortable. I think I would buy the elongated style instead of the round style if I had to do over. That might be more comfortable. I may need to change out the seat, even though this one is a higher end model.
September 27, 2016

Rated 5.0 out of 5.0 by ScrumptiousFishTacos 10/10 would flush again
10/10 would flush again. Met standards. Flushed my 1 1/2 lbs of child's clay. Saved lots of water. No problems so far. Even the cat approves.
September 27, 2016

Rated 1.0 out of 5.0 by Leigh7220 Not loving this toilet at all!
We have owned several American Standard toilets, and have loved them! But this model, we don't like at all! First, after set up, it leaked from the inside tank into the bowl, so they sent us new gaskets and tank parts. We replace everything and it still leaks! I do know that some toilets will be duds. But it seems like I have to clean this toilet several times day. I have 3 kids, and everything sticks to the inside. I shouldn't have to be constantly cleaning it. So if you have a large family, I do not recommend this model of toilet at all!
October 26, 2016

Rated 5.0 out of 5.0 by Jack Easy to install. great toilet.
Old toilet used a lot of water and clogged up quite often. This new toilet is great. It hasn't clogged once and uses less water.
June 30, 2016

Rated 5.0 out of 5.0 by Suzanne This toilet is all that it says it is and more. Installation is a breeze. Incredibly powerful flush. American Standard says it will flush a bowel full of golf balls. I believe it would. Look no further. Buy this toilet!
October 25, 2016

Rated 5.0 out of 5.0 by Charlie I used this toilet to replace one that has to be constantly flushed multiple times. It is a low flow the same as the one I replaced and I've already saved money on water and drain cleaners. And I mean many flushes and gallons a drain cleaners to flush clear and clean water.
October 26, 2016

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