WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Department of Education released on Friday guidelines for schools nationwide that outline that the Obama administration requires schools to allow students to use the restroom and locker room corresponding with their “gender identity” under threat of losing their federal funding.

“There is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex,” said Attorney General Loretta Lynch in a statement announcing the release of the guidelines. “This guidance gives administrators, teachers, and parents the tools they need to protect transgender students from peer harassment and to identify and address unjust school policies.”

The eight-page document outlines that the government interprets Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 as applying to those who identify as transgender. The section, which prohibits educational institutions from discriminating against a person based on their gender, has generally been considered as applying to discrimination against women in treating females as inferior to males, including in sports programs.

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance,” Title IX reads.

The Justice and Education Departments consequently outlined in the document released on Friday that schools must allow males who identify as females and vice versa to use the restroom or locker room that corresponds with their gender identity, or as the the document defined it, their “internal sense of gender.”

“A school may provide separate facilities on the basis of sex, but must allow transgender students access to such facilities consistent with their gender identity,” it reads. “A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so.”

“Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity,” the Obama administration further outlines, stating that students and/or their parents must simply “assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records” to administrators in order to be granted access to their preferred facility.

The rules also apply to housing and participation in sports programs, although competitive fairness may be taken into account in relation to the student’s admission into an athletics program.

The departments state that failure to follow these guidelines could result in the loss of federal funding.

“As a condition of receiving federal funds, a school agrees that it will not exclude, separate, deny benefits to, or otherwise treat differently on the basis of sex any person in its educational programs or activities unless expressly authorized to do so under Title IX or its implementing regulations,” the document warns.

However, as previously reported, earlier this month over 50 families sued the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Department of Education for forcing a school district to allow a male student who identifies as female to use the girls’ locker room at his local high school.

“It’s a massive step backwards to force women to give up their inherent right to bodily privacy,” said Thomas More Society attorney Jocelyn Floyd in a statement. “To impose such a rule on still-developing teenage girls, as they’re already struggling with puberty’s changes on their bodies and social pressures to look a certain way, undermines their dignity and tells them that their rights don’t matter. This isn’t a message our schools should be sending to our girls.”

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See “Can a person be born with the wrong gender?” at gotquestions dot org

Amos Moses

May i go to the WH and “share a pee” with Malia or Sasha………….

gizmo23

Are you transgendered? You can’t go to the bathroom by yourself?

Amos Moses

i just “feel” like it………. why do i have to be one or the other and how would you prove otherwise that i am or am not…………………. and how is any of this nonsense proven……… but they just “feel”……………

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“He who trusts in his own heart is a fool” Proverbs 28:26

ComeOnPeople!

The heart is deceitful & desperately wicked , who can know it?

Lean not unto your OWN understanding TRUST in HIM.

For HIS ways are HIGHER then our ways & HIS thoughts are higher then ours.

Believe not every spirit but try the spirit to see wether it be of GOD or not.

GOD is not the author of confusion.

Paraphrasing off the top of my head so sorry no text reference … study the bible and you will find these and a lot more.

One on the listed SINs in the bible is Effeminacy… the manifestation of traits in a boy or man that are more often associated with feminine nature, behavior, mannerisms, style or gender roles rather than with masculine nature, behavior, mannerisms, style or roles.

Ambulance Chaser

If you’re legitimately asking, there are plenty of resources online that explain the criteria for diagnosing gender dysphoria. Although if you were legitimately asking the question, I suspect you’d have already read them and learned the answers, which you clearly haven’t.

Amos Moses

i do need corrupted “online sources” as none of them, as A-theists like to point out, have ANY veracity ……….. there is nothing to research when you ALREADY have the truth…… which CLEARLY you do not……………… and it DOES NOT answer the questions posed……….

Ambulance Chaser

Well, what kind of sources would you like?

Amos Moses

Well, gee,,,,,this is a primarily christian website…….. with christians talking about topics relevant to christians……. from a christian perspective……… sooooooooooooooo……. i will let you guess…….

Ambulance Chaser

Okay: peer reviewed scientific papers. I can’t think of any other place you can learn scientific facts.

I just wonder why you think Christians get their science a different way than everybody else.

Amos Moses

Christians wonder why people think everything a “scientist” says is science………. when it isn’t ……

You keep on using those words ……….. “peer reviewed scientific papers” …………. i do not think it means what you think it means ……………..

BTW, it means NOTHING………… as far as the validity or truth of the ideas put forth …… only that certain procedures were followed ……………….. NOT that ANY of the conclusions drawn are in ANYWAY correct………………… So as i say …………… it means NOTHING……….

No, you’ve made unsupported, bald faced assertions with no evidence to support them.

Amos Moses

Just as peer reviewed studies do frequently…..so it should be good ….

Ambulance Chaser

Oh really? Show me some.

Amos Moses

6 Reasons Why Most Scientific Research is Fake, False or Fraudulent…..

Science has even discredited itself – in one study meant to hoodwink the very prestigious British Medical Journal, a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected.

Second, scientists can manipulate data almost any way they deem fit. Data can be excluded, included and re-arranged to support the presupposition of any scientist.

Third, the scientific community doesn’t listen to women, young people, or those whose ideas go against the current scientific dogma. The greatest scientific pioneers were once weirdoes with wiry glasses and grandiose ideas that they set out to prove with the scientific method. Now, we have an aged scientific population, that is mostly white and male, worried about getting tenure at their institutions or that have been lobbied directly by pharmaceutical and biotech industries to promote a certain plan that affects our entire sociological structure.

Next, its all about the fame and money. These two things alone kill objectivity. Industry-funded studies completely ignore conflict of interest and skew any possible hope for real scientific results. This is why institutions like the FDA, supposedly founded on scientific study, are a complete fraud.

Amos Moses

Then there is outright fraud. In a 2011 survey of 2,000 research psychologists, over half admitted to selectively reporting those experiments that gave the result they were after. The survey also concluded that around 10 percent of research psychologists have engaged in outright falsification of data, and more than half have engaged in “less brazen but still fraudulent behavior such as reporting that a result was statistically significant when it was not, or deciding between two different data analysis techniques after looking at the results of each and choosing the more favorable.”

Then there’s everything in between human error and outright fraud: rounding out numbers the way that looks better, checking a result less thoroughly when it comes out the way you like, and so forth.

Amos Moses

Biomedical fraud is not uncommon, either, and can have dire consequences. The English doctor, Andrew Wakefield, started a worldwide scare about the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine with his bogus and corrupt research. Most such fraud involves the fabrication of results, and even when it leads to no disaster for patients, it leads other researchers up the garden path, wasting time and resources.

But a recent article in the New England Journal of Medicine draws attention to a relatively new form of fraud. Before accepting a paper for publication, reputable scientific journals send it out to peer review, that is to say to other workers in the field who criticize it, make suggestions for improvement, and recommend either acceptance or rejection. An author whose paper is rejected by one journal need not despair: he can try other journals in a descending order of prestige.

Peer review is time consuming and it is often difficult for the editors of general journals, such as the Lancet, the New England Journal and so forth, to be familiar with the experts in all fields. The editors of smaller journals do not have the resources of their more eminent confrères necessary to find them, and they, the editors, are frequently judged by the speed with which they publish manuscripts sent to them. Scientists are anxious to be published as quickly as possible because others in their field might publish before them, and to be second to publish a discovery is about as useful as being the seventh best javelin thrower in the world.

A Harvard scientist wanted to see exactly how easy it is to get medical research published. In some cases, $500 is pretty much all it takes.

“There is a government agency, the National Library of Medicine, that creates an official list of approved medical journals called PubMed. However, Shrime says, it can sometimes take a while for publications to be indexed. Eighteen months ago, The Lancet, one of the most respected medical journals in the world, launched several new publications like The Lancet Respiratory Medicine and The Lancet Global Health; they have only just been included in PubMed.

“If you want to find a reputable journal, you’d turn to PubMed, but the problem is that there are also many reputable journals that are not on PubMed,” Shrime says. He often turns to Google Scholar in his research because it includes a wider range of publications, but he’s found the service also indexes many of the same bogus journals that accepted his Cocoa Puffs paper. (I made several attempts to reach the journals that accepted Shrime’s fake article, but none replied to my queries.)

If Harvard-trained researchers are sometimes not able to spot a real journal from a fake, what chance do the rest of us have? Journalists, for instance, often cite medical research in their articles without the expertise to know whether their source is credible or not. The good news is that there are tools available to navigate the process. Jeffrey Beall, an academic librarian, has compiled a list of predatory publishers that he updates every year. Shrime recommends that people who cite medical research cross-reference journals with this list, but keep in mind that brand-new predatory journals pop up every day and Beall may not have found them yet.

So, the next time you read an article that references a new weight loss study or cutting-edge research about dieting, it’s worth taking it with a grain of salt. It may very well be legitimate, but it might also be quack science. Or entirely made up.

“If the source is not on PubMed or on Beall’s list, the only real way to tell would be to speak to the leading scholar in that field,” says Shrime. “And who has the time to do that?””

Ambulance Chaser

Thank you for that uncited pile of copypasta.

But all you’ve proven is that the peer review system is imperfect and when there are problems, they’re found out by the peer reviewers.

You also haven’t shown that there is a better system out there.

Amos Moses

That system is no system and you did not ask for me to provide a better one…….. not my job …….. if it is broke ……. then you fix it …….. or rely on the lies it tells ……. your problem ……. not mine ………. and it is still ………… NOT SCIENCE……………….

It’s not “no system,” it is, in fact, a very good system. No one is more qualified to critique science than other people in the field. I think you’ll find that no one in the sciences agrees with you that peer review is, as a whole, faulty or that there is any better way to review scientific papers.

Finally, it’s a ludicrously fallacious argument to say “science has given incorrect answers in the past, therefore we can dismiss anything ever said by science.” It would be the same as if I said, “Three was a pedophile priest scandal in the Catholic Church and Josh Duggar and Bill Gothard were outed as pedophiles, therefore, all Christians are pedophiles.” That would be insane and unfair, and I would never say that. I expect you to show science the same courtesy.

Amos Moses

And it is “vetting” garbage……….. have fun with that………….

http://blogcritics.org/author/Jet/ Jet Gardner

You’ve got to keep in mind all those rightwing websites that they can use to pull up any idiotic “Fact” that they want and claim it’s true.

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[ “Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement
that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent
with their gender identity,” the Obama administration further outlines,
stating that students and/or their parents must simply “assert a gender
identity that differs from previous representations or records” to
administrators in order to be granted access to their preferred
facility.]

Amos Moses

““It’s a massive step backwards to force women to give up their inherent right to bodily privacy,” ”

Please have an abortion………. but your right to privacy and to make decisions about your own body DOES NOT extend to peeing………………

Amos Moses

Depravity is not a “civil right”…………….

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See “Can a person be born with the wrong gender?” at gotquestions dot org

Gal5:22-23

And we have seen from the reactions of those in Texas to this directive how an application of Truth makes the darkness roil out of the lost like the application of a holy poultice. All the better to reveal them.

Using the bathroom isn’t ‘depravity’.

Amos Moses

Men entering a womans protected area to do anything is depraved……….. and it borders on indecent exposure…………. which is depraved…….. AND AGAINST THE LAW……………

Gal5:22-23

this about trans-women, not men.

ComeOnPeople!

If it has a bill it’s a duck… if it has a penis it’s a man. Anyone with a penis who thinks he’s a woman is mentally ill and not living in reality but in a fantasy. They shall believe the lie and be damned or they can shake off the snake in the fire and turn back to truth and live. Love says tell them it’s a lie. You don’t love them enough to try and save them. You love fitting into this new so called Christianity . Where everything goes and please men rather then God.

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Amen!!!
“Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.” Matt. 7:21-23

ComeOnPeople!

Amen and that word iniquity says it all. Iniquity is practicing lawlessness.

Gal5:22-23

Wonderful judgement , we’ll just have to see if God agrees. considering He doesn’t even plan on there being gender in the next world I’m not too hopeful for your chances, but I pray for His undeserved gift of Grace and forgiveness no matter how many mistakes or people we inadvertently hurt.

ComeOnPeople!

In heaven you will have a glorified body not a fallen one. By the way true love , hurts sometimes . To love someone I do not have to agree with them. Even in the closest of families people disagree, yet they still love & forgive one another. This new idea that disagreeing with someone means you don’t love them is silly.

Gal5:22-23

yes we will, one that is neither married or with the desire to marry, it will be like the bodies of the angels in heaven, genderless or all of a single gender which is just six of one half a dozen of the other. You are worrying about things as inconsequential to a Christian as two fibered cloth, what meats to eat, and what holidays to celebrate.

You walk in this world if you must, I am walking in the next.

Ronald Carter

Well then, you simply disbelieve science. It’s that simple.

ComeOnPeople!

Since when does a person need to be a scientist to know what a man is or what a woman is? The problem is you have a bunch of propaganda out there showing young impressionable minds a bunch of perverted views and they are becoming confused . God is not the author of confusion but men are pretty good at it. I feel for those who are confused about who they are because regardless of how grand media may portray their lives … they are miserable . And don’t blame that misery on a society that states reality or on those who refuse to allow them to believe a very harmful lie.

Ronald Carter

Read your own posts sometime, they are enlightening. You’re right in there ranting about “propaganda”, “perverted views”, “confusion” and “harmful lies” which are strong opinions to have, no doubt, but in the end that’s all they are – opinions, and the people who can prove to you that there’s sound evidence behind their findings, you refuse to listen to. Do you know what it’s like to feel like you are a person of the wrong gender trapped in the body of the opposite one? I don’t either, but I leave that up to the people who’ve studied it extensively. You don’t do that, you turn to your 2000 year old holy book as though it’s some kind of ultimate authority on the subject. I think we both know it isn’t.

Amos Moses

No………. wrong………. it is an all out attack on women……………….

Gal5:22-23

Because of the ‘depravity’ of peeing. Got it.

Amos Moses

It has nothing to do with either peeing or trannys………….

TheBottomline4This

Stop wasting keystrokes on “Gal5:22-23”. After reading many of his/her rantings, it’s obvious this person isn’t a Christian.

Amos Moses

It is not only for that persons ears and eyes…………. we are to fight the good fight….. to ……… as scripture says…… earnestly contend……….

Joel
1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

TheBottomline4This

In general I agree. It’s not only for the person you are responding to but others.
But at some point, as with “Gal5:22-23”, it is just doing what Matthew 7:6 says.

Ambulance Chaser

Luckily men will not be allowed in women’s restrooms. Only transwomen.

Amos Moses

Sure, and how are you going to PROVE IT……………….

Amos Moses

Again, a womans right to privacy and to make decisions about their own body DOES NOT extend to peeing……………… APPARENTLY………………..

Gal5:22-23

Privacy from what? Are you saying that individual facilities for everyone are required since that is the only true privacy? And where, even in the oldest army barracks, do women pee in view of other women?

Amos Moses

Privacy…………. Privacy definition, the state of being apart from other people or concealed from their view; solitude; seclusion………

“And where, even in the oldest army barracks, do women pee in view of other women?”

Reg herring! Nothing to do with a PRIVATE citizen…………….

And it is still depraved for men to be in a womans private area…………. i do not care if they have to pee or not……… this is a WAR against women……… it really has NOTHING to do with Trannys………….or peeing ………………….

Gal5:22-23

you are seeing fish where there was not, I used it as an example since the least ‘private’ restrooms I’ve ever seen were military ones and even they give privacy for women peeing.

As to your disparagement why not just yell ‘raca’ at them and be done with it?

Amos Moses

That is what you seem to be doing………… and that passage is for how one treats a brother in Christ……….. and they are not my brothers…………. “whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,”……….. my brothers in Christ would not be party of this depravity …………..

5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Gal5:22-23

Ah ‘the True Scotsman’ fallacy. I bet God is going to be very tired explaining that to those in their last few moments before the Throne.

James 2:13 explains it all, not that there are ears to hear.

Amos Moses

Ah, the True Scotsman falacy falacy………….. more internet dribble……….. and it does not answer the questions…………….

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Got news for you,,,,,,,,, telling people,,,,, not my brothers and sisters in Christ…….. the TRUTH about their DEPRAVITY………. so they WILL NOT be judge by the laws they are breaking ……………….. IS MERCY………………. Mercy is NOT getting what you deserve ……. Grace through faith …………… is getting WHAT YOU DO NOT deserve…………..

Gal5:22-23

I’m always amazed how people rationalize their unrighteousness judgement that will condemn them in God’s eyes. Probably how Lucifer started off too.

Amos Moses

Still cant answer the questions……… or you refuse…………

Gal5:22-23

Your prose is incoherent, there are no question to answer that make any sense.

TheBottomline4This

Do you mind sharing what denomination you are with?

Gal5:22-23

You first.

TheBottomline4This

I don’t mind sharing and will, but I did ask you first.

Gal5:22-23

Yes you did, and its not important to me but it is to you, that’s why you would have shared yours with the initial question. If this is going to be about our kinds of Christianity its going to be for both of ours or neither.

I’m fine with neither.

TheBottomline4This

Seeing how you are on disqus with people, I’m not surprised you refuse to answer.

Gal5:22-23

And considering we’ve seen you do this ruse before I’m not surprised you won’t share yours. Seeing how you are with people on Disqus and all…

TheBottomline4This

You are not a Christian. You may be involved in a religion, but that doesn’t make one a Christian. Whatever “church” you go to and whatever “bible” you read is not a Christian one.
We all know there are many false religions in this world. There are many gods in this world. There are many “jesus’ ” in the world. The one you claim and follow are not of God.

True Christians can spot each other in part by their wording. What you share is so far off the mark.
You’re twisting of Scripture and views on God and the Bible are iniquity in the eyes of God.

Gal5:22-23

If I thought for a moment you were the one that decided who was and wasn’t a Christian I might be more concerned for myself, but I am concerned about you. My biggest regret right now is that by talking with you I’ve have made you commit the unforgivable sin, the denial of the Spirit, which makes your damnation on my head. I will pray to God to forgive you your trespasses against Him and me as I forgive yours right now.

TheBottomline4This

You are not a Christian.

Gal5:22-23

Doubling down on damnation? So be it. We don’t need to talk again.

TheBottomline4This

You are not a Christian.

Madi Tonges

Judge not lest ye be judged. —Matthew 7:1

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gotquestions dot org/do-not-judge dot html

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gotquestions dot org/do-not-judge dot html

Gal5:22-23

Off topic, of course Christians just judge but it must be righteous judgement – are they avoiding sin by loving and forgiving? Are they repentant of not doing these things and of not doing them better?
Have they accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior? Yes to all three? Righteous judgement is over, the rest is up to God.

Amos Moses

Please explain to me what your moniker has to do with this issue…… here it is in FULL context……..

5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

HOW is a man in a womans private area, for their safety and security and MODESTY……………… HOW is that not of the flesh and LACIVIOUSNESS and HATRED ……. and DEPRAVITY? and WITCHCRAFT? and VARIANCE?…and how are those who would do that NOT involved in sedition (the crime of saying, writing, or doing something that encourages people to disobey their government) (our government as christians is Christ)……………. and HOW are you NOT encouraging other to violate Gods commandments, His laws by doing so?……………

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Gal5:22-23

that you see that in a trans-female using the bathroom for the same reason cis-females do says it all.

Such thoughts are the depravity.

Amos Moses

this has nothing to do with trannys………….. or where they pee………. this is an attack on women…. “cis” or not……………. that is DEPRAVITY…….. and it does not explain how you seem to be CLAIMING to be a christian……… when you are encouraging others into DEPRAVITY and sin…………..

ComeOnPeople!

This is actually just another attack on the family unit. As are all the other perverted agendas. If you destroy the family you destroy the country. It’s not about going potty thats just what they put out there. The majority of moms, dads, husbands and wives all agree that this is immoral. This says a lot about where this presidents heart is, not with the people of America but with agendas and his own depravity. He has been destroying America on every front and is pitting everyone against his neighbor because he has an agenda. If you destroy a country , you can remake it to be what you want it to be. God help us!

Jalapeno

“The majority of moms, dads, husbands and wives all agree that this is immoral. ”

Based on what? You have a source for that?

ComeOnPeople!

Yes there are poles but forget the poles which can be tampered with. Tell you what just go to the mall and do your own survey . I know that no one that I know… which are families and singles who want a family one day… agree with the immoral agendas being pushed down their throats. WHY? Because they are all talking about it. Not to mention that my own husband says that if I am in a restroom and he sees a man enter it , he will enter it himself and do what any true blooded American husband would do. It’s about honor and respect and men have never been allowed to enter a ladies restroom VIA A LAW. They may have done so secretly but never VIA A LAW pushed upon the will of the people.

Jalapeno

No one I know is okay with people who identify as male going in the womens restroom.

Funny how that works, eh? (Of course..it’s also funny when people make claims that they can’t back up.)

Would..maybe he take offense with someone who had pecs, facial hair and was hanging out with a bunch of other guys in the bar going in the bathroom with you? Seems like that’s the only way he’d be able to tell without seriously violating the privacy of all the other girls in there.

Elie Challita

If someone assaults a woman in a bathroom or spies on her, they should be prosecuted regardless of their gender or identify. None of these directives make it legal to assault someone.

Amos Moses

So they have no rights to their own privacy and safety and if they are, well THEN we will do something about it……….. but to protect them so that it is not an issue………. well that is just not right…….. is that your position……….. that they deserve no protection whatsoever ……… that they have no right and are just chattel ………….

Elie Challita

1- For pity’s sake, stop using so many periods. You sound like William Shatner in his worst acting performances.

2- Of course they have a right to protect their privacy, if it is actually being invaded. Seeing as trans-women count as women, then their privacy isn’t being invaded.

3- Really? You’re the ones who routinely attempt to force rape victims to carry the rapist’s baby to term, and I’m the one treating them like chattel?

Amos Moses

“Seeing as trans-women count as women, then their privacy isn’t being invaded.”

Yep, reprobate mind trying to justify the unjustiable……… No, they are not women….. but even if that were true…… it gives cover for to others for them to be put in a dangerous position……. so it is not protecting them ….

“You’re the ones who routinely attempt to force rape victims to carry the rapist’s baby to term, and I’m the one treating them like chattel?”

and killing the child………. that fixes it and makes it all better………. Really?……. again….. broken reasoning,….broken thinking… just plain broken………. and reprobate…….

Nathan Huggins

“There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler:” Ecc 10:5

http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart-slowlyboiledfrog.com

Please. Get a grip. In a high school of 1,200 students their might be one transgender boy or girl. This is about accommodating an extremely vulnerable, fragile and tiny minority.

hytre64

So for the sake of the one, you will violate the rights of 1/2 the student body?

gizmo23

yes

ComeOnPeople!

LOL what matters is the agenda not the people. Funny how these people all scream violation of rights but could care less about anyone unless they agree with them. It use to be that mature people did what was best for society as a whole. Now it’s all selfish and what matters is their agendas regardless if it destroys what our country was founded on. God and Family values. Communist & satanic books will tell you that they believe if you destroy the family unit of any country, you can destroy that country. Morales and values keep a society moral and united . Once you start legalizing immorality your country decays and will soon no longer be free. Don’t believe me? Give it a few years if America continues to legalize immorality and you will become a believer real soon but hey probably won’t get your wow it happened post because by then I along with many others most likely will be imprisoned for so called hate speech or refusing to join a wishy washy one world religion, that teaches their version of love love love.

Ambulance Chaser

You might have a point if you could demonstrate any harm that would come from allowing people to use the bathroom of the sex they identify as.

ComeOnPeople!

The harm is it breaks down the moral fabric of this society. We get our morals from the bible and the conscience he put inside us. No one can say in good conscience that a man who believes he is a woman going into a ladies restroom is a good choice for a moral society. If they believe that then their conscience has been seared and they no longer feel the tug inside them to repent and return to their Creator and HIS ways. They become part of those who serve their own bellies and the creature more then the Creator. Look at history to get your proof.

ComeOnPeople!

Oh and you do not get to decide what gender you are. It maters not that you identify as something other then what you are. The reality is that you are what you are. To try to change that is to say you are your own god.

Ronald Carter

And when we know that transgenderism exists and you look at it only from the standpoint of what genitalia people possess, do you not see how you might be coming across just the slightest bit cruel and lacking compassion? I have no idea what it’s like to feel like I’m trapped in the body of the wrong sex, but who am I to tell them they don’t really feel that way and have something wrong with them?

ComeOnPeople!

They feel that way because they are delusional or mentally ill and I do care about them enough to not cater to their delusions but try to bring them back to reality. Sorry but no it has not existed apart from the medical books saying it was a mental illness up until recently because we are a society that is becoming more and more corrupted. Media and propaganda are reshaping reality and depicting fantasies as realities.

Ronald Carter

All I need to do is read your first sentence to know that you’re not interested in the science behind this. You could have it presented before you in a neatly typed ring-bound report on onionskin paper given an endorsement by every medical body out there and you’d still dismissively wave your hand and call these people “delusional” and “mentally ill”. Reality is an interesting word for you to be throwing around when you reject so much of it on a daily basis.

ComeOnPeople!

Go study what has been written. Just because a society is becoming corrupted & begins to embrace something means very little. God’s laws and precepts never change but mens ways change like water in the wind. When a society turns corrupt, it stands to reason that they will begin to endorse a departure of the morals and values it once held dear. This is why mens laws and precepts do not interest me apart from God’s ways and precepts. I’d much rather stick to something that does not change at ever whim of men. The word of God says that this world will one day call evil good and good evil. I’d say that was a very accurate prediction.

Ronald Carter

I have studied it. Papers from the American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association. In other words, authorities on these matters who’ve done things like actually take the time to study them, rather than pointing at some holy book or another.

ComeOnPeople!

NOPE sorry both deemed the behavior a mental illness up until recently .

Ronald Carter

Guess why? Because they found their old data to be without merit or proof, and the new data to be more accurate. This is how science works.

ComeOnPeople!

NO this is how a corrupt society progresses . These same scientist tell you to not eat fat and all reason and facts have proven them wrong. Real Science will never contradict GOD who created ALL things.

Ronald Carter

Then you do not understand science nor how it works.

ComeOnPeople!

Copied from AMOS MOSES

6 Reasons Why Most Scientific Research is Fake, False or Fraudulent…..

Science has even discredited itself – in one study meant to hoodwink the very prestigious British Medical Journal, a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected.

Second, scientists can manipulate data almost any way they deem fit. Data can be excluded, included and re-arranged to support the presupposition of any scientist.

Third, the scientific community doesn’t listen to women, young people, or those whose ideas go against the current scientific dogma. The greatest scientific pioneers were once weirdoes with wiry glasses and grandiose ideas that they set out to prove with the scientific method. Now, we have an aged scientific population, that is mostly white and male, worried about getting tenure at their institutions or that have been lobbied directly by pharmaceutical and biotech industries to promote a certain plan that affects our entire sociological structure.

Next, its all about the fame and money. These two things alone kill objectivity. Industry-funded studies completely ignore conflict of interest and skew any possible hope for real scientific results. This is why institutions like the FDA, supposedly founded on scientific study, are a complete fraud.

Ronald Carter

Your first mistake was quoting from Amos Moses. Your second mistake was quoting such a ridiculous article from Amos Moses. Google that article and it will immediately become clear why it’s such a farce.

Theodore Fenton

I’m good without god(s). If you’re not, that says much more about you than it does me.

Elie Challita

Correction: You get your morals from the bible. The rest of us aren’t sociopathic enough to need an iron age fairy tale to teach us how to treat others decently.

201821208 :)

gotquestions dot org/Bible-fairy-tale dot html

ComeOnPeople!

Then do tell me where you know it is wrong to cheat on your wife? Is it wrong to steal? How about lie? Ok I know you who do not believe in a Creator believe that your conscience which by the way somehow miraculously matches up with God’s laws came from pond scum. Or that you became this intelligent ape that now walks upright on two feet instead of four and no longer steals bananas from your neighboring apes because you have evolved and have a conscience now.

Elie Challita

Is your god the only reason why you think it is wrong to kill?

TheBottomline4This

So you agree it is wrong to kill?

Elie Challita

Yes, I think it’s wrong to kill. Why do you think that it is wrong to kill?

TheBottomline4This

Taking a life is wrong.
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

Elie Challita

Why is taking a life wrong?

TheBottomline4This

Why are you even asking that question? If you don’t know, then that is concerning. People live and people die. Killing is cowardly and wrong. Do you think killing is right?

Elie Challita

No, but it’s an interesting philosophical question, isn’t it? The poster I was responding to claimed that God is the source of morality. Does that mean that his belief in god is the sole reason to not go on a murder spree?
What about you? Why do you think that murder is wrong?

TheBottomline4This

Why don’t you answer your own question. I have touched some on my answer. Why do you think that murder/killing is wrong…or do you think it is wrong?

Elie Challita

I think that murder is wrong because it is depriving a sentient, thinking human being of life contrarily to their own choices. Outside of self-defense or to save a life, murder results in forced, irremediable loss to the victim, with no greater benefit to be gained (material gains to the murderer or acquaintances do not offset the value of a human life).

Now, why do you think that murder is wrong?

TheBottomline4This

So you are a pro-life person then?

Elie Challita

Are you referring to abortion? In that case, I’m pro-choice, since a fetus is not yet sentient nor thinking.
Now, would you stop dodging the question and answer me why you think that murder is wrong.

TheBottomline4This

Ah, so you have selective views on murder being wrong. Gotcha.

Elie Challita

Notice how TheBottomLine skillfully demonstrate the ancient religious art of dodging questions, and going on the attack instead. The church of Scientology would be proud 🙂

TheBottomline4This

No silly boy, it’s your hypocrisy that did that.

Elie Challita

But you still haven’t given a straight answer: Why is killing wrong?

TheBottomline4This

Given you’re a hypocrite California boy, I’ll pass.

Elie Challita

Taking the easy way out, as usual.
Silly me, to expect intellectual honesty from a cult member like you.

Jalapeno

Seems like a relatively straight forward question to me…

Why would you refuse to answer it? If someone has such a strong moral compass, youd think it’d be easy.

Amos Moses

And treating women decently is allowing men into their bathroom…….. interesting take on respect and consent and “treating others “decently””…….. Reprobate minds……….

Elie Challita

Unlike you, Amos, I don’t consider every bathroom to be a brothel.

Amos Moses

Unlike you, i know evil men will use this cover to carry out their evil intents and we are putting all women at risk…….. even those who “feel” they are women ……. but are not………….

Elie Challita

Bud, evil men can use anything as cover. There isn’t a single documented case of a transsexual taking advantage of these laws to molest a woman in a bathroom, even in states where these laws have existed for a long time.
Statistically speaking, women are more likely to be raped by an elected Republican official than by a trans-person.

Amos Moses

“Bud, evil men can use anything as cover. ”

But now they have even more cover and women have LESS and that is good with you…… Got it…………..

Jalapeno

Yeah..insisting that the only thing that matters for bathroom is what you were born as gives them a TON of cover.

Amos Moses

“Yeah..insisting that the only thing that matters for bathroom is what you were born as gives them a TON of cover.”

Worked for hundreds of years………….. so now what has changed……….. oh yeah…. they have more cover and women have less………. so much for equality and “love wins”…….

Jalapeno

…You are aware that there are laws that require people to go in the bathroom based on how they were born, right?

Amos Moses

and how were they born……. based on WHAT……. EXACTLY……..

Jalapeno

…Yes..how they were born.

See, when you’re born..a doctor determines what sex you are and writes it down.

Some laws say that whatever they write down at birth decides what bathroom they use for the rest of time.

Amos Moses

So what is the problem……….. i see no problem with that……….

Jalapeno

Aren’t you worried about making it easy for people to lie and get into the bathroom?

Why aren’t you concerned with people lying about being trans as a way to get in?

Amos Moses

Trannys are being used…….. this has really nothing to do with them or peeing……… it is an attack on women………… People have cried for years………. government get out of my bedroom ………. most specifically homosexuals……….. but now everyone wants them in the bathroom …………… and saying ………. you must let these people use the “bathroom of their choice” ………….. as if that has ANYTHING to do with government ………… it does not …… so the answer lies elsewhere …….. and it is focused on the womens bathroom …….. and who uses it ……….. so it boils down to ………. who is the focus of this ……… and it is women……..

Jalapeno

Why are you only concerned with the women who agree with you?

Amos Moses

Where was that said ………….. they are all of concern ………………

Jalapeno

I don’t remember seeing any concern for the women who don’t want people who identify as male in the bathroom with them.

Amos Moses

Then you are not reading or you are blind……………………

Jalapeno

I mean, it’s hard to tell what you actually say because sentences seem foreign to you, but the only actual concern for women is them being “used” and being forced to put up with things..which implies that they’re having to put up with having trans women in the bathroom based on your other comments.

“Black Pastors will not allow the homosexual and transgender community to rob Black Americans of their battle for civil rights!” he asserts. “If the Rev. Martin Luther King were alive to see this today, he would be angered in the same way that Jesus was angered when he turned over the tables of the money changers.”

Owens referred to attempts by the Obama administration to make the LGBT political and social engineering agendas the equivalent of civil rights a “theft and outrageous extortion and usurpation of the Civil Rights Movement.”

“We call all black Americans to stand up and fight for the sanctity of Martin Luther King’s accomplishments for our race,” he said. “There is simply no relation between the struggles that Black Americans have faced and the desire of a tiny minority group to violate the dignity and privacy of women and girls.”

“Transgendered persons are not asking for equal rights—they are asking for special rights that violate the privacy of women and simple common sense,” Owens added. “CAAP calls on all those who oppose this unwarranted expansion of the Civil Rights Act to contact their representatives in Congress today and let them know how you feel about this bill.”

Jalapeno

Sure..whatever you say.

So what do you plan on doing about the women who don’t want someone else to force a transgendered man into the bathroom with them?

Amos Moses

Sorry, not sure what you are talking about…………….

Jalapeno

Pay attention to context.

I wasn’t comparing it to racial issues or anything..

I’m saying that you were talking about how women weren’t being protected and whatnot..but as far as I can tell, you’re fighting for a situation that would make a lot of women, trans or not, uncomfortable or even unsafe.

Why is that so okay with you?

Amos Moses

“as far as I can tell, you’re fighting for a situation that would make a lot of women, trans or not, uncomfortable or even unsafe.”

Then you need to go back and read it again………..

Jalapeno

Are you not arguing that we need to insist that everyone go into the bathroom that was put on their birth certificate at birth?

Amos Moses

And as i said…………. WHAT is wrong with that?……………. and what is YOUR alternative….. fire hydrants……….

Jalapeno

So I did read it right.

Aren’t you all about protecting women? What about the women who don’t want to be in that situation..the situation that you’re fighting for? What about the women that feel unsafe?

Amos Moses

and why do they feel unsafe……….

Jalapeno

Why would a woman feel unsafe with someone in the bathroom who used to have boy parts?

Amos Moses

Because the claimed former boy part owner……………….LIED……..

Jalapeno

Lied about..?

Amos Moses

about being “former”…………….

Jalapeno

Okay..so you think women feel safe because a person is in the bathroom identifying as a woman even though they used to have boy parts.

Last I checked, that doesn’t mean they lied about it.

Don’t you think that some women might feel more uncomfortable having someone who looks like a guy in the bathroom with them? Someone who has pecs and facial hair, maybe even looks like someone who once assaulted them?

Amos Moses

Last i checked……… allowing men in a womans bathroom ……………. was asinine……

Jalapeno

Sure, sure.

So..you think a woman would feel unsafe because someone used to have boy parts?

But..you can’t understand why a woman might feel unsafe if someone who looks like a guy is in there with her?

Do you think a woman would feel safe just because a person used to have boy parts? If they walked in and said “Hey, I’m Sally but my name used to be Sam. I was born a boy” and proceeded to pee? If they had a skirt..visible breasts..makeup..purse..

Do you think a woman would feel safe if someone who looked like a man walked in?

Amos Moses

Mother Marches Through Target With Her Family To Protest Transgender Bathroom Policy

on the youtube machine…..

Jalapeno

Okay.

So..could you understand why a woman would be uncomfortable with someone who appears to be a man in the bathroom with them?

Amos Moses

Okay ………. so what position are you for or against because it would seem you are just going back and forth………..

Jalapeno

No..I’m asking you a question.

Can you understand why a woman would feel uncomfortable if someone who looks like a man walks in the bathroom with her?

Amos Moses

can you understand the insanity that is being perpetrated on the public…………. and do you even care?

Jalapeno

…Are you struggling with the concept?

A woman is waiting in line to pee. She sees someone who looks like a guy walk in and gets in line behind her.

Do you understand that she could be uncomfortable with the situation?

Amos Moses

sure………. and……

Jalapeno

Okay. Good. You understand that the law in NC leads directly to a situation that could very easily make women uncomfortable.

Why are you not concerned with them? You’re pretending like you’re worried about the women…but..I’ve yet to see you fight against forcing transgendered men in the bathroom with them.

Amos Moses

“You understand that the law in NC leads directly to a situation that could very easily make women uncomfortable.”

No…….. continue…….

Jalapeno

I’m not sure how you’re not understanding this.

Under the NC, someone who was born as a woman and now identifies as a man is forced to use the womens bathroom.

These people look like men.

People looking like men being in the bathroom with them makes them uncomfortable.

Therefore..the law can put people in a situation where they are uncomfortable…these same people that you’re pretending to care about.

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

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25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

So you understand that the NC law puts many women in an uncomfortable position?

Amos Moses

i understand confused, body dysmorphic people, are bullies………….

Amos Moses

Famous LGBT Activist Reveals The Scary, Real Goal Of The Bathroom Battle (And It’s Not Bathrooms…It’s Way Worse)

What you may have been suspecting has been confirmed. LGBT activists’ end goal is not ruling over the bathroom. It’s obliterating the family. Riki Wilchins, a famous transsexual who recently wrote a piece in the gay publication The Advocate, revealed that many conservatives and even LGBT activists are missing the forest for the trees.

Titled, “We’ll Win the Bathroom Battle When the Binary Burns,” Wilchins says the real goal is to kill the notion of male and female altogether. The “binary” refers to gender distinction, and getting rid of the “heterobinary structure” is the goal. Wilchins writes that the fact that we are arguing over male and female facilities is proof that we still have far to go–that there should be no gender distinctions in general.

In fact, Wilchins points to an emerging group of people who don’t want to affiliate as any gender. Life Site News explains, “’Non-binary’ people don’t identify as male or female and they often want to be referred to as ‘they’ or ‘hir’ or ‘zer.’ So the fact that there are even intimate facilities that reflect the “binary” truth about gender should change, Wilchins wrote.”

If you are confused, you are not alone. But beneath all of the titles and non-titles, the insidious plan is the destruction of the family, reveals Stella Morabito, senior contributor to The Federalist.

“What we are really talking about is the abolition of sex. And it is sex that the trans project is serving to abolish legally, under the guise of something called ‘the gender binary.’ Its endgame is a society in which everyone is legally de-sexed. No longer legally male or female. And once you basically redefine humanity as sexless you end up with a de-humanized society in which there can be no legal ‘mother’ or ‘father’ or ‘son’ or ‘daughter’ or ‘husband’ or ‘wife’ without permission from the State. Government documents are already erasing the terms. In such a society, the most intimate human relationships take a hit. The family ends up abolished.”

Morabito hits home the point: “Sex distinctions are the germ of all human relationships. Abolishing them legally basically abolishes family autonomy. And this is an act of violence against children because it would serve at some point to separate them from their origins. Every child’s first transcendental question is ‘Where did I come from?’ If the law will not allow the child to see his own origins and wholeness in the faces of a mother and a father, it destabilizes the child’s sense of self. It creates personal dysfunction in children and basically ends up spreading more dysfunction and even dystopia in society.”

Amos Moses

Interesting ………….. but who is causing the problem here …………….. the normal men and women ………. whose thinking is clear and who are not doing anything that has not been done for hundreds if not thousands of years ………… using an appropriate bathroom …….. or the confused, body dysmorphic, tranny who has been lied to about who and what they are and are now being used to cause a disruption of the VAST MAJORITY of normal persons……

And AGAIN…………… THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANNYS …………….. when are you going to understand that simple idea…………………….

Jalapeno

Yes..yes..you’re super concerned about protecting the women.

Why are you not concerned about protecting the women who don’t want to share a bathroom with people who look like men?

Amos Moses

“Yes..yes..you’re super concerned about protecting the women.”

Because this is where this NONSENSE that they are putting forth is leading ………. no more free speech …………. and if you say anything that is not politically correct…….. then you have no rights ……………………… So NO, i have NO CONCERNS for this type of bullying from confused person who do not know there head from a hole in the ground………….

Chicago Schools Force Students To Use Transgender Language

Chicago Public Schools are telling employees – and even students – that they will be punished if they don’t use government-directed language when debating or talking about sex and gender.

The new rules have gone all-in to push the “gender identity” ideology and transgender agenda by demanding that everyone in the school system must use the scientifically incorrect pronouns and made-up names preferred by a tiny minority of people who say they prefer to be treated as members of the opposite sex.

“The guidelines released today will help ensure every student and adult in the CPS family can participate in an environment of complete tolerance and respect,” CPS Chief Education Officer Dr. Janice K. Jackson said in a press release.

Official say the new rules are needed to comply with federal Title IX laws craft to prevent sex discrimination. That’s the same claim made by President Barack Obama with his recent decree that all schools in America be forced to provide pro-transgender bathroom and locker room facilities or face the removal of federal education dollars.

Under these new guidelines, students and CPS employees must turn informer and are required to make sure “any incident of discrimination, harassment, or violence is given immediate attention, including investigating the incident and taking appropriate corrective action.”

Jalapeno

Okay. Cool. You’re concerned about cis women.

… So why do you want to force them to share a bathroom with people who look like guys?

Amos Moses

I am concerned with all women …………… IF they are women …………. and your trying to make gender confuse people women …………. sorry ………. now i am concerned that they are confused …….. but just because they cannot see reality as reality ………. not my problem ……… but they need help ………. just not help reinforcing their delusional idea of reality ………….. that they are somehow women…………… their “feelings” do not conform to reality ….

i do not assist OCD persons with continually washing their hands all day …….. that reinforces their delusion ……………….. and we should not do it for non- “cis” gendered person …. they have a body dysmorphia ………. EXACTLY as an OCD person does ……. the OCD person is not dirty ……………… they just think they are …………….. their “feelings” are not relevant as it does not conform to reality …………..

Jalapeno

There are cis women who feel uncomfortable with someone who identifies as a male in the bathroom with them.

Are you concerned about that or do you just care about the ones who agree with you?

(I’m not even going to bother trying to get you to understand that many cis women also consider a trans woman a woman..seems like it might be hard for you to grasp.)

Amos Moses

“There are cis women who feel uncomfortable with someone who identifies as a male in the bathroom with them.”

Good………. common sense …………… now waiting for you to start mixing “cis” into your confused argument ….

“I’m not even going to bother trying to get you to understand that many cis women also consider a trans woman a woman..seems like it might be hard for you to grasp.”

THERE IT IS …………… i do not care ……….. because if one person is uncomfortable …. ACCORDING to YOUR standard …………. society should collective stop and wring its hands for the poor person …… IF THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE ………….. then they should LEAVE……. “cis” … non”CIS” …….. Man ………. Woman ……Tranny …. Homo …. Hetero ……. i do not care………………………..

Oh,,,,,,,,,, and again …………………. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANNYS…………………

Jalapeno

Okay.

So you don’t care about women.

As I thought.

Amos Moses

“Women” who Claim they are “women” but are not women …………. uhhhh…. ARE NOT WOMEN …….

Jalapeno

Trans women are women in my eyes.

Amos Moses

Not mine ………… nor in Gods …………….

Jalapeno

Oh? Your opinion counts for more than mine?

Amos Moses

Gods creation is not an opinion …………….. and if you are outside of it ………. have fun with that ……… for as long as it is going to last …………….. which aint long ………

Jalapeno

Any religious views are irrelevant to the law.

So..why is your view worth more than mine?

Amos Moses

“Any religious views are irrelevant to the law.”

You are on a CHRISTIAN site, talking to CHRISTIANS, about issues of import to CHRISTIANS, and about how their CHRISTIAN opinion matters to CHRISTIANS…………….. so the only irrelevant point is yours if you do not want to discuss that ………………

and FYI,,,,,,,,,,,, HERE,,,,,,,,,,,, GOD is ALWAYS on the table …………

And if that is “uncomfortable” …………. TOO BAD ………………. seek help elsewhere …………….

Jalapeno

Okay..so my opinion is worth less because I’m not Christian?

Interesting.

Here I thought with all your “ITS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE WOMENNN”..a womans view would be relevant to you.

It’s worth noting…many Christians disagree with you about how to deal with trans people in the bathroom..but..I know their opinions are irrelevant to you too.

Amos Moses

Your opinion …………. is not worthless ………….. BUT I DID NOT SAY YOUR OPINION WAS WORTHLESS ……………….. YOU SAID MINE WAS ………… or do you NOT pay attention to what you write and where you are ………………..

Jalapeno

Sure..sure..whatever you say.

It’s just irrelevant compared to yours.

Amos Moses

You said religious views were not relevant ………….. read what you wrote ….. that is YOU saying our opinion does not matter ………….

Jalapeno

..To the law.

That’s just how the law works.

Amos Moses

“That’s just how the law works.”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO………. Here it is GODS law ……………. Thats how it works …..

Jalapeno

Okay. Cool. Go on, move to a theocracy.

Let me know how that goes.

Amos Moses

You already live in a theocracy ………… it is a satanic theocracy ………

Amos Moses

AGAIN,,,,,,,,,,,,, THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANNYS…………….

Jalapeno

Yes..I’m talking about the position with cis women.

Do you know what that means?

Amos Moses

No, you are trying to sow confusion,,,,,,,,,,,, and jumpimg back and forth between pretend women, who are confused and body dysmorphic ……….. and real women ………

AGAIN,,,,, IT AINT ABOUT TRANNYS,,,,,,,,

Jalapeno

Nope. Still talking about cis women.

Many cis women are uncomfortable in the situation you’re fighting for. Why are you not standing up for them?

Amos Moses

Many “cis women ” are uncomfortable peeing with “cis women” only ……………

What color is the sky in your world?………………..

Jalapeno

Some cis women are uncomfortable with having people who identify as male in the bathroom with them.

You are supporting a situation that necessitates people identifying as male being in the bathroom with them.

Amos Moses

No ………. if a person were born a female ……….. and their DNA is XX ……… then use the appropriate facility …… what they “identify” as, is THEIR problem …………… it is NOT a societal one ……. and if they were born a woman ………… but think they are “different” ….. it is again …………… a personal problem …………… NOT a societal one …………..

Jalapeno

Sure, sure, I’m fully aware that you don’t care about how the trans woman feels.

I’m talking about the cis woman that does not want to use the bathroom with someone who identifies as male.

If you have your way, they will be forced to. Why are you not standing up for them?

Amos Moses

Trans women …………. there is no such thing ………………. they have an illness ……… it is called body dysmorphia ………… like a person who has OCD ………. or bulimia ………… or anorexia ………… they do not see their body the way it is ……………….. they have no vision of themselves connected to any reality ………………. and they need help ………….. but not help staying in their DELUSION ………………….

Jalapeno

Yes..yes..you don’t care about them. That’s clear. Moving on.

There are cis women that are uncomfortable having someone who identifies as male in the bathroom with them.

Why are you not standing up for them? I thought you cared about “real” women?

Amos Moses

YES< YES< YES……….. you continue to cloud the issue and what was said ……….. Trannys are not real women …………..

Jalapeno

I understand that you don’t care about them. It’s not complicated, you can stop whining about it. I told you I disagreed…but…I know that it’s irrelevant to you.

I’m talking about the cis women.

Why are you not standing up for the cis women who don’t want to share the bathroom with people who identify as male?

Amos Moses

No…………. you are trying to confuse the issue …………

Jalapeno

Not at all. It’s really simple.

You are saying that all people who are born as women must use the womens bathroom.

That includes people who now identify as male.

There are cis women who do not want to share the bathroom with people who identify as male.

Therefore..you’re arguing for a situation that makes cis women uncomfortable while pretending that you’re standing up for women.

Amos Moses

“You are saying that all people who are born as women must use the womens bathroom.”
yes …….
“That includes people who now identify as male.”
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jalapeno

…You are aware that people who were born as a woman identify as male, sometimes…right?

Amos Moses

You are aware that that is mental illness and has NO connection to REALITY ………….

Jalapeno

Sure, whatever you say.

You already acknowledged that some cis women will feel uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as male…

Does that mean that you’ve just decided they’re wrong and don’t care about them?

Amos Moses

Sure, whatever you say ………..

Woman who “identify”……….. are not women …………. i care that they get help with their mental illness……..

Jalapeno

I’m not asking about the trans women.

I’m talking about the cis women who do not want to share a bathroom with someone who identifies as male.

Amos Moses

If they “identify” then they are not ……… i do not care about their “choice” of “identity” ……. it has no relationship to reality if it is different from their birth sex……… it is mental illness …… they should get help with that …….. not help with peeing ……………..

Jalapeno

Some women care what they identify as.

Don’t you care about those women?

Amos Moses

They are mentally ill ……… if they “identify” as anything other than women ……… and as i keep repeating ……… i care that they get help with their mental illness and body dysmorphia……………. did you get it that time ………..

Jalapeno

Remember..I’m talking about the cis women who do not want to share a bathroom with people who identify as male.

Amos Moses

So what ………………

Jalapeno

So..you don’t care about those cis women?

Amos Moses

A noted Princeton University professor has attacked the very notion of transgenderism, saying that the belief “that a woman can be trapped inside a man’s body” is ludicrous and superstitious, with no basis in medical fact.

Robert P. George, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton, sent out a tweet late Sunday evening questioning the science behind the transgender movement, in reaction to the Obama administration’s threatening letter to educators mandating accommodation of gender-confused teenagers.

Jalapeno

Okay. Great.

Some women care about the fact that someone who identifies as a man would be in the bathroom with them.

Where’s your concern for those cis women?

Amos Moses

Where is yours …………….

Jalapeno

Why exactly do you think I’m advocating for a situation that tends to be more comfortable for everyone involved?

Amos Moses

i do not think you understand what you are advocating for ………….. you are confused ……..

Jalapeno

Not at all.

Having people who look like guys in the womens room is uncomfortable for everyone…no matter how much you want to say that they’re REALLY women.

Amos Moses

Again………… confusion ………..

Jalapeno

Not at all.

There are people who identify as male but were born as a girl.

Having those people in the bathroom can make people uncomfortable because they look like guys.

You with me so far?

Amos Moses

“There are people who identify as male but were born as a girl.”

And that is mental illness ……………. and confusion …….. and you are confused ……..

Jalapeno

Do you understand that these people exist?

Sure..sure..they’re wrong and their doctors are wrong and they’re REALLY women but..

You agree that there are people out there that were born as a woman but now identify as a male?

Amos Moses

i understand they have a body dysmorphic disorder …………..

Jalapeno

Good job.

So..since you understand that these people exist, and that they identify as male…

Next step.

Do you understand that some cis women are uncomfortable with someone who identifies as male in the womens bathroom?

Amos Moses

Connecticut woman says she was harassed in Walmart bathroom after customer mistook her as transgender

This is part of the desired effect ………………… and it is because of this asinine policy ……….

Jalapeno

Yes yes.

Do you understand that some women are uncomfortable with people who identify as male in the bathroom with them?

Amos Moses

So you just want to repeat over and over again the same questions that have been answered each time ………

i understand they have a body dysmorphic disorder ………….. they need mental health ….. they need Christ ………. they do not need a law to pee somewhere ………. and it was not Christains who started this policy …….. and its intent is to cause disruption and to destroy the family …………. so what part of that is unclear to you …………….

Jalapeno

That’s not what I asked. We’ve already determined that you understand that these people exist.

Can you understand that some cis women are uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone who identifies as male

Amos Moses

And we have gone over it again and again …………

i understand they have a body dysmorphic disorder ………….. they need mental health ….. they need Christ ………. they do not need a law to pee somewhere ………. and it was not Christains who started this policy …….. and its intent is to cause disruption and to destroy the family …………. so what part of that is unclear to you …………….

Jalapeno

I’m very specifically talking about the comfort of the cis women, or in terms you won’t whine about..”real women”.

Unless you’re saying that those “real women” have body dysmporphia, your rant is out of place.

Amos Moses

i understand trannys have a body dysmorphic disorder ………….. they need mental health ….. they need Christ ………. they do not need a law to pee somewhere ………. and it was not Christains who started this policy …….. and its intent is to cause disruption and to destroy the family …………. so what part of that is unclear to you …………….

Jalapeno

I’m not asking about them.

I’m asking about the cis women…or..”real women”, just beacuse the word cis seems to confuse you.

Do you understand that some of them might be uncomfortable sharing the bathroom with someone who identifies as male?

Amos Moses

i understand trannys have a body dysmorphic disorder ………….. they need mental health ….. they need Christ ………. they do not need a law to pee somewhere ………. and it was not Christains who started this policy …….. and its intent is to cause disruption and to destroy the family …………. so what part of that is unclear to you ………………..

Jalapeno

Okay..I guess the question is confusing for you.

Lets boil it down even more.

Say there’s someone named Sam..but Sam was born as a Sally. Sam is a trans-man. He has facial hair and has visible pecs…he was also spending time hanging out with Sallys crush and a bunch of other guys.

Christine does not want to share a bathroom with Sam.

Can you understand her position?

Amos Moses

Yes, Sam is mentally ill and has body dysmorphia ………….

Jalapeno

Sure sure.

So..do you understand her discomfort?

Amos Moses

Her “discomfort” (Sally’s) is mental illness ………… she needs Christ …….. she needs salvation………… she can have it ……….. if she is given scripture ………. and Christ grants repentance ……….. the law and policy is not the answer ……. Christ is …………

Jalapeno

Her discomfort is based on the fact that someone who looks like a guy is in there.

No matter how much you wish it away…transgender people are going to continue existing. They are going to continue transitioning.

So..you understand that she’s uncomfortable with having someone who identifies as male in there?

Amos Moses

Sally “discomfort” is that she has body dysmorphia and is seeking to put that on others …… Sally needs Christ ………. Sally needs scripture ……….. Sally needs an intervention for her disease …………

“No matter how much you wish it away…transgender people are going to continue existing. They are going to continue transitioning.”

No matter how hard they try to convince others they are what they are not ……… they still are what they are ……..”transitioning” is not going to fix it ……………. and that is mental illness ….. They need Christ ……….. They need scripture …….. they need salvation ……

Jalapeno

Sally is going to continue being Sam.

So..the issue is how to deal with that reality.

Do you understand how Christine could be uncomfortable?

Amos Moses

No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ…..

Jalapeno

Yes yes…It’s all Sams fault..and his stupid doctor that doesn’t have as good of an education as you do.

Of course..he still exists.

Can you understand why Christine would be uncomfortable?

Amos Moses

No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” so it is not his fault ….. and it is not Sallys fault either ….I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ…..

Jalapeno

Sam is going to continue existing.

How do we deal with the fact that Christine feels uncomfortable with sharing the bathroom with him?

Remember…Sam is still existing, and you’re still pushing for a situation where Sam is forced to use the womens bathroom.

Amos Moses

No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ…..

Jalapeno

So..you don’t care about Christine at all?

You’re pretending to be standing up for the women and acting like it’s “not about the trans”..but when it comes to actually spending two seconds thinking about how this effects “real women”..you can’t be bothered?

Amos Moses

Christine is not the problem ……………. No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. Problem solved……….. and Christine might need to be saved also ….. but that is another discussion …..

Jalapeno

Weren’t you going on and on about caring about the “REAL WOMEN” and it not being about those silly trans people?

Amos Moses

No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. that solves the problem …….. For REAL WOMEN as well as Sally …………

Jalapeno

Okay.

Got it.

You don’t ACTUALLY care about the “real women”..you just want trans people to only do things your way.

You should have just said that from the start..unless you’re just really super dishonest with yourself. (That’s a given though.)

Amos Moses

No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution …………………. HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

And being on a christian site …………………. how did you ever come to the conclusion that it would be ANY DIFFERENT……………….

Jalapeno

Didn’t you say like 30 times that it was about the “REAL WOMEN”..not the trans people?

So..the “REAL WOMEN” need to deal with the reality..and many are uncomfortable with the solution that you’re putting forth.

Don’t you care about them?

(I’m going to remind you that not all Christians agree with you. I know..I know..they’re wrong..you’re right..you’re special..whatever. Just a reminder.)

Amos Moses

Sally is a REAL WOMAN……………. is she not………………… and i do not care one wit what “other christians” think or if they agree with me ………. so that is really not an issue ……. No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ…..

Jalapeno

I thought the only people who were “real women” to you were cis women?

” “other christians” think or if they agree with me”

Good. Glad we agree.

“that is the reality”

And the fact that Sally is still Sam…and you want to force Sam into the bathroom with Christine..and Christine doesn’t want that.

So..how do we deal with that reality?

Amos Moses

“And the fact that Sally is still Sam…and you want to force Sam into the bathroom with Christine..and Christine doesn’t want that.”

There is no Sam……… that is not reality ………. that is illness ………….. i want Sally saved from her illness and from sin …….. So, again, No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution …………………. HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

Jalapeno

” that is not reality ”

No..no..that’s definitely what his birth certificate says..and he definitely looks like a dude.

She’s uncomfortable.

What do you think we should do about the reality?

Amos Moses

Sally is a woman ……….. no matter what she looks like ……….. well ……. in this fictitious example ……….. and her name is Sally …………. and you said Sally was a woman ……. so her looks are not at issue ………………… you said …………….. “Say there’s someone named Sam..but Sam was born as a Sally. Sam is a trans-man. He has facial hair and has visible pecs…he was also spending time hanging out with Sallys crush and a bunch of other guys.”

“What do you think we should do about the reality?”

i want Sally saved from her illness and from sin …….. So, again, No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution …………………. HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

Jalapeno

Why would the fact that Sam appears to be a guy not be an issue?

You need to learn to deal in realities.

The options are to make Sam go in the womens or let him go in the mens.

Amos Moses

Because “Sam” is Sally ………….. so “Sam” is a fiction ………. “Sam” does not exist ………….. “Sam” has no birth certificate …………… “Sam” is a lie …… Sally is a woman ……….. no matter what she looks like ……….. well ……. in this fictitious example ……….. and her name is Sally …………. and you said Sally was a woman ……. so her looks are not at issue …. i want Sally saved from her illness and from sin …….. So, again, No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution ………….HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

Jalapeno

Okay..okay..I know this is confusing.

There is a person with facial hair and visible pec muscles that was hanging out with Christines crush. They go by the name “Sam” . This person exists.

Christine does not want this person in the bathroom with her.

Still struggling?

Amos Moses

“Okay..okay..I know this is confusing.”

No……….. you are confused as to what “Sam” is and who Sally is …………. not me …. you have tried to cloak it in the lies you want to believe ……………. i am not a subject of the lie …. i am here to give you the truth ………… you are here to give confusion …….

Jalapeno

Everything in that description was a fact.

Visible pecs. Go by “Sam”. Hanging out with a bunch of guys including Christines crush.

Did you think it’s not possible for a trans male to look like a guy or something? Did you think the name changes weren’t legal?

Amos Moses

“Everything in that description was a fact.”

So what ………. Sally is a woman ………… “Sam” is a lie ………….

Jalapeno

Are you struggling with the concept still?

Okay.

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Christine has a crush on the dude on the right…they were hanging out together at the bar.

Can you why she’d be uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with the person on the left? Remember…his drivers license says “Sam”

Amos Moses

No……. you are struggling to get me to believe a lie ….. not gonna happen ……..

Jalapeno

Did you look at the picture?

Can you understand why having that person on the left would make her uncomfortable?

Amos Moses

Because “Sam” is Sally ………….. so “Sam” is a fiction ………. “Sam” does not exist ………….. “Sam” has no birth certificate …………… “Sam” is a lie …… Sally is a woman ……….. no matter what she looks like ……….. well ……. in this fictitious example ……….. and her name is Sally …………. and you said Sally was a woman ……. so her looks are not at issue …. i want Sally saved from her illness and from sin …….. So, again, No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution ………….HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

Jalapeno

You already acknowledged that someone might feel uncomfortable with someone who LOOKS like a guy in the womens bathroom with them.

So..looks are key here.

Could you understand why Christine would be uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with the person on the left in that picture?

Amos Moses

We are talking about Sally …………………. Sally is a real person or is she a fiction………………

Jalapeno

It’s a hypothetical situation.

I gave you a nice simple visual aid to go with the hypothetical situation. That’s Sam on the left, David on the right. Christine has a thing for David.

Can you see why she’d be uncomfortable with the person on the left (who has the name Sam on his license) in the bathroom with her?

Amos Moses

Sally is a woman ……….. no matter what she looks like ……….. well ……. in this fictitious example ……….. and her name is Sally …………. and you said Sally was a woman ……. so her looks are not at issue …. i want Sally saved from her illness and from sin …….. So, again, No…. The issue is still Sally and her need for salvation….that is the reality… Not her continuing in her illness….There is no “Sam” ………I do not want Sally to go away… I want her saved and with Christ….. and you want the problem …….. not the solution ……. and the solution …….. is CHRIST ……. not my solution ………….HIS…….. and HIS alone …………

Jalapeno

You acknowledged that women might feel uncomfortable with someone who LOOKS like a guy in the bathroom with them.

Do you take that back?

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …..

Jalapeno

Okay.. This is hard to grasp, I know, but I’m talking about the “real women”.

Do you not care if they’re uncomfortable?

Amos Moses

And if Sally, or whomever represents Sally in this hypothetical situation, if they are made healthy in Christ and in their thinking……….. the problem is solved …… so do you want the problem…. and to keep Sally unhealthy and sick ……. or do you want to fix the problem …..

Salvation in Christ is the answer …………… for EVERYONE involved………….

Jalapeno

Okay. Great. Go talk to their doctor.

In the meantime, we have to deal with the reality.

Can you understand why Christine would be uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with the person on the left side of that picture?

Amos Moses

“Okay. Great. Go talk to their doctor.”

The only doctor that she needs is Christ………………..

Jalapeno

Okay. Go tell their doctor that.

In the meantime…we’re in a situation where the person on the left side of that picture is forced to use the bathroom with Christine. That makes her uncomfortable.

With me so far?

Amos Moses

Again, Sally is the only person i am concerned with ……….. she needs Christ desperately …… and it will fix all the other issues ……

Amos Moses

A transgender & bisexual before, now a servant of God
Ariel Santos – A testimony of a transgender & bisexual before, now a servant of God in CCF.
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Jalapeno

Yes yes.

So..can you understand why she would be uncomfortable?

Amos Moses

Sally is the only person i am concerned with ……….. she needs Christ desperately …… and it will fix all the other issues ……

Jalapeno

I thought you were concerned about all those poor “real women”?

Are you no longer concerned with them?

Amos Moses

In this example……… the real woman …. in most need ……. is Sally …. it is called ……….. in the French ……….. Triage ……………. she needs Christ ….. fix that one problem ……….. the other problems go away ……….

Jalapeno

Okay. Sure.

In the meantime…this is the reality we are dealing with.

Do you not care if Christine is uncomfortable? I thought you were all about protecting the “real women”.

Amos Moses

“In the meantime…this is the reality we are dealing with.”

No…………. you are not ……………..

Jalapeno

Yes. These things happen, I promise. Trans people exist.

Imagine the hypothetical.

There is a person in the pub that looks like the person on the left side of the picture. That’s reality.

There is a person with feelings for the person on the right.

Christine does not want to share a bathroom with the person on the left.

With me so far?

Amos Moses

No……….. you are not dealing with reality ……

Jalapeno

Are you saying that people who were born as a woman but identify as a man now don’t exist?

No, I am not asking whether or not you consider them a man. I am asking if you understand that these people exist.

Amos Moses

This question has been asked and answered…… Does not change reality…..

Amos Moses

Body dysmorphia……illness

Amos Moses

They are not men …………… “identifying” is body dysmorphia …………

Jalapeno

Sure, whatever you say.

Do you understand that the person in the picture exists?

Amos Moses

Do you understand that it is an illness …………. a person exists……… an ill person ……… body dysmorphia does not change reality .. they are not men ….

Jalapeno

Sure sure.

The person in the picture exists. Glad we agree.

So..this person would be obligated to use the womens bathroom.

Do you agree?

Amos Moses

This person is ill and cannot make that decision ………….. mental illness can preclude sound reasoning …………………. So no…………….

Jalapeno

You said before that anyone who is born a woman must use the womans bathroom.

Are you changing your mind?

Amos Moses

Yawn……….. i have made my position quite clear ……………… a woman identifying as anything but a woman is ill ………

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …..

Jalapeno

Great. That person is ill and their doctor was wrong and blah blah blah.

Are they obligated to use the womens bathroom?

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …..

Jalapeno

Is that person on the left side of the picture obligated to use the womens bathroom?

You stated multiple times that it wasn’t about the trans people..it’s about the women. You want to protect the women. The women are what count.

So..is that person supposed to be using the womens bathroom?

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …..

Jalapeno

Weren’t you saying before that it’s about protecting the women?

Did you decide that you don’t care about anything except making sure that trans people can’t get the treatment that they decided was best for them?

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ……

Jalapeno

Good job on that copy pasting.

So you don’t care about the “real women” now?

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …….

Jalapeno

Got it. You don’t care about the “real women”, even though you pretended like that was your priority from the beginning.

Amos Moses

As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ………

Jalapeno

Here. Let me give you something better to copy-paste.

Real women…do not matter to me….as much as my…ability to act…like…my beliefs are more important..than………other………peoples…..happiness and ability…to……live…their….own…life.

There ya go.

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ……

Jalapeno

Still struggling?

Maybe I’ll make it easier for you.

“My religious beliefs are more important to me than other peoples happiness, and I’m also incapable of understanding other peoples viewpoints”.

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ……..

Jalapeno

Still struggling?

Okay.

Cool…maybe you’ll stop pretending to be a caring person at some point.

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ………..

Jalapeno

Gotcha.

You’ll get caught up with self-realization at some point. If you ever want help with that, let me know.

Just to clarify.

“this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable”

This is the opposite of what you said at the beginning so you are a liar.

“this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue”

It’s about how the law functions.

” that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick”

Lies. You are lying to yourself because you want to make yourself feel better.

You are acting like a bad person.

Stop kidding yourself.

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ……….

Jalapeno

Reading hard?

Being honest with yourself hard?

Yeah. I get it.

Let me know if you ever want me to walk you through these issues in the future…maybe help you stop lying to yourself.

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ ………….

Jalapeno

Still no?

Aight. Baby steps.

I’ll be waiting to see if you ever decide to try to be a decent person instead of a selfish liar.

(Don’t worry. I won’t hold my breath.)

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …………

Amos Moses

President Barack Obama, the titular head of the LGBT movement, has added to the firestorm of confusion, misunderstanding and fury surrounding the transgender bathroom debate by threatening schools with loss of federal funding unless they allow students to join the sex-segregated restroom, locker room and sports teams of their chosen gender, without regard to biological reality.

His action comes after weeks of protests against the state of North Carolina for its so-called anti-LGBT bathroom bill.

As someone who underwent surgery from male to female and lived as a female for eight years before returning to living as a man, I know firsthand what it’s like to be a transgender person—and how misguided it is to think one can change gender through hormones and surgery.

And I know that the North Carolina bill and others like it are not anti-LGBT.

“L” is for lesbian. The bill is not anti-lesbian because lesbians have no desire to enter a stinky men’s restroom. Lesbians will use the women’s room without a second thought. So the law is not anti-L.

“G” is for gay. Gay men have no interest in using women’s bathrooms. So the law is not anti-G.

“B” is for bi-sexual. The “B” in the LGBT have never been confused about their gender. Theirs is also a sexual preference only that doesn’t affect choice of restroom or locker room.

“T” is for transgender. The “T” identifies a person who has undergone hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery, and legally changes the gender marker on his or her birth certificate.

The North Carolina law is not anti-T because the law clearly states that the appropriate restroom is the one that corresponds to the gender stated on the birth certificate. Therefore, a transgender person with a birth certificate that reads “female” uses the female restroom, even if the gender noted at birth was male.

So, you see, the law is not anti-LGBT. What then is all the uproar about?

Jalapeno

Have you decided then that you care about the cis women?

No?

Okay, let me know if you need help working through these confusing things..or if you want to stop being selfish.

Amos Moses

You are the only one confused…………

Jalapeno

No?

Still gonna be a selfish liar? Okay. Good luck with that.

Amos Moses

You are the liar …………… or have you not figured that out yet ………. and do i need to bring forth the evidence …………. i won’t need luck ………. just your own foul words ……….

Jalapeno

Sure sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

Amos Moses

So you know you are in the wrong and a liar ………. okay ………

Jalapeno

No.

I am flat out saying that I consider you a bad person and a liar.

I know you won’t understand that though, and you probably need some way to make it more of an “us vs them” instead of bothering to UNDERSTAND anything.

Thinking is sooo hard right?

Amos Moses

“I know you won’t understand that though, and you probably need some way to make it more of an “us vs them” instead of bothering to UNDERSTAND anything.”

No, actually it is you versus Christ ………….. and i gotta tell ya …… you are on the losing end ………….. Thinking is not hard …….. coming up with the correct answer …….. and not some common core nonsense answer ……… as you seem want to do ……….. is more difficult ….. when you reject God/Christ ……… and you become lawless ……….. as you are ….

Jalapeno

Does that make you feel better?

“I’m a better person because I said so! You’re a bad person because I said so!”

Sure.

Good luck with that.

Amos Moses

We are all bad compared to Christ ………… no one is good …… no not one ………. but you are confused …………. and you seem to think everyone who does not agree with you is a liar ……. and yet you cannot see the lies you are perpetrating ……….

Jalapeno

No..I seem to think people who lie are liars, like you.

Amos Moses

We are all liars …….. at one time or another ………. but you are making some outrageous ones ………… to get others to believe your lies …….. you and i just disagree on the method to fix this problem ………. and that in your eyes makes me a liar …………. you OTOH, want to decieve others to think that trannys are ok and should be “accepted” ……….. instead of healed …… kind of like telling a cancer patient he is not really sick …………… that is the outrageous lie you tell ………. you are wrong and you are hurting people ……

Jalapeno

The person on the left in the picture was born a woman.

The person on the left in the picture would be obligated to use the womens bathroom if you had your way.

That would make some cis women uncomfortable.

Which one of those is a lie?

Amos Moses

i just explained your lie ………….. and you ignore it ………

Amos Moses

This is the lie …..

you OTOH, want to decieve others to think that trannys are ok and should be “accepted” ……….. instead of healed

Jalapeno

..So..none of what I was asking you about was a lie?

Glad you agree.

Amos Moses

Sally, in this tortured example, is a real woman …….As i have said ………. this is not about trannys and who is uncomfortable ….. this is about salvation and its ability to solve this issue …………. that you are not interested in solving ….. you want the problem …….. you want Sally to continue in her disease …….. her mental illness ………. her body dysmorphia ……….. you want her sick ……. i want her well and with Christ …..

Amos Moses

You are trying way to hard to convince me of a lie ………..

Jalapeno

Do you understand that those people exist?

That..people like the person on the left side of the picture exist?

ShemSilber

Absolutely right, that if they have to “identify” as what they are not, when the Creator, or Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) assigned them a gender, and they deny it and want to change it, they are totally lying and even believe the stupid lies themselves.

Isn’t transgenderism the same thing that the military calls “malingery,” where a soldier purposely injures himself in order not to be able to carry out his assigned duties as a soldier? In that case, the soldier is liable to be court-martialed, but in the case of the so-called transgender person, he or she is liable for judgment at the highest court of all, the White Throne Judgment mentioned in Revelation 20, which comes after the 2nd resurrection.

Thank you for your encouraging posts, and may our Master Yahushua keep blessing you with growing understanding of His Way, omein.

Amos Moses

“Why are you not concerned about protecting the women who don’t want to share a bathroom with people who look like men?”

If they are REAL women, born that way, sure, i am………….. but some gender confused body dysmorphic person who CLAIMS to be a woman…………… no ………. as they ARE NOT women…….. so not a problem………………..

FYI, they can use a family bathroom or go elsewhere if they are “uncomfortable” …. or they can get a Stadium Buddy and strap it on……………… Or wear adult diapers ………. or find a fire hydrant ……………. Or carry an appropriate urinal in their car ………..

WHAT’S REALLY BEHIND AMERICA’S TRANSGENDER MANIA?
‘Snapping’ author David Kupelian reveals the whole shocking, scandalous back-story
———————
“Transsexuals,” explains one commentator, “report feeling out of place, feeling awkward, and to get others to understand their inner struggle, transsexuals will ask: ‘If you’re a woman, imagine that every morning when you awaken and look in the mirror, you see a man. And if you’re a man, imagine that when you awaken, you see a woman in the mirror. That’s how a transsexual feels.’”

Increasingly, Americans are being inundated with sympathetic, media-driven stories showcasing this unfortunate and perplexing condition, like ABC’s two-hour primetime interview with reality TV star Bruce Jenner, during which the legendary Olympic champion told a nation and world that have long revered his masculine athleticism: “I am a woman.”

Sign the petition demanding an end to the madness! No men in girls’ bathrooms, locker rooms or showers! Just say no!

‘Why would your brain lie?’

The human mind is an amazing thing. Just like computers, they’re awesome when they work properly, but vexing when they don’t.

Yet there it is: Whether it’s the anorexic or transgender individual staring intently into the mirror and seeing the exact opposite of reality, or millions of others in similar straits tormented from within with myriad obsessions, compulsions, addictions, and delusions, our minds and emotions are – very simply – capable of lying to us, to the point of seriously disrupting our lives.

Take OCD, or obsessive-compulsive disorder, which currently afflicts one in 100 American adults (between 2 and 3 million), plus one in 200 children and teens (that’s another 500,000), according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

Here, courtesy of the International OCD Foundation, is a vivid description of what obsessive-compulsive disorder feels like from the inside:

Imagine that your mind got stuck on a certain thought or image …

Then this thought or image got replayed in your mind, over and over again, no matter what you did …

You don’t want these thoughts – it feels like an avalanche …

Along with the thoughts come intense feelings of anxiety …

Anxiety is your brain’s warning system. When you feel anxious, it feels like you are in danger. Anxiety is an emotion that tells you to respond, react, protect yourself, DO SOMETHING!

On the one hand, you might recognize that the fear doesn’t make sense, doesn’t seem reasonable, yet it still feels very real, intense, and true …

Why would your brain lie?

Why would you have these feelings if they weren’t true? Feelings don’t lie … Do they?

THIS IS JUST THE NEW VERSION OF (the colored Restrooms) .. Gender IS NOT SEXUALITY < I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Amos Moses

“THIS IS JUST THE NEW VERSION OF (the colored Restrooms) .. Gender IS NOT SEXUALITY ”

Baloney………….. Baloney and more Baloney……………. there is NOTHING new here…….

“You spead HATE and you are doing the devil”s work good job.”

The only one here spreading division IS YOU………………

Tony

And you are on a Christian news ? You need to read the bible …The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that. John 14:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that. John 14:6King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Jalapeno

Dude…at least read the comments before you blindly copy paste a bunch of stuff.

Tony

WOW Amos the Uneducated !!! thinks he way it the only way.

John 14:6King James Version (KJV)

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Amos Moses

Oh, gee……… did not see that coming………..

A group of shoppers and store clerks surrounded and detained a man until police arrived after witnesses say he choked an eight-year-old girl unconscious and attempted to molest her in a store bathroom in Chicago’s South Loop, police report.

According to Chicago’s ABC affiliate, police arrested Reese M. Hartstirn, 33, after witnesses said he was seen choking the child until she was unconscious, then carrying her into a stall in the bathroom of a store on South Canal Street.

The child, who was in the store with her mother, was later taken to Comer Children’s Hospital. Her condition was not released.

Witnesses told police that after the suspect was seen attacking the girl, the child’s mother and several of the patrons and workers of the store gathered together to restrain the man until police arrived.

Nuff said……………………………… and we should just wait for this type of thing to happen… asinine…….. ill considered……. foolish ……….. stupidity………….

Elie Challita

So a man assaulted a girl in a store, and tried to take her to a secluded area.
Is he a transsexual?

Amos Moses

As i have said, REPEATEDLY……. this is an attack on women ……. trannys are just an excuse… and they are being abetted……..

Tony

YOU KNOW nothing !!!!The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Amos Moses

So just continual cut and paste of your diatribe……… got it………..

Tony

YOU ARE THE REPROBATE .BIBLE/Jesus teach us to love the neighbor. The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Amos Moses

“YOU ARE THE REPROBATE .BIBLE/Jesus teach us to love the neighbor. T”

And love is not letting someone off the hook when they are spreading nonsense….. and then telling them the truth ……. not patting them on the head for the lies they spread…….

Ambulance Chaser

Well, we’re certainly becoming a country that ignores what it says un the Bible, but so what? The Bible is wrong about a lot of things.

201821208 :)

gotquestions dot org/Bible-fairy-tale dot html

Tony

READ The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Amos Moses

How do you PROVE IT………. that that is what they “identify” as………….

Madi Tonges

Do you identify as Christian? Or Conservative? Republican? How do you prove it? Does anyone have the right to stop you from going to church be cause it makes them uncomfortable. And saying this is an attack on women is stupid. There are female to male trans people going into mens bathrooms.. and that is fine with you… but the other way around is not? Why not ring your hands around town claiming an attack on men?

Amos Moses

Interesting ideas……….. but gender ………. regardless of what people want to believe …….. is NOT a choice ………. those other things are …………… but you serve to make my point…….

Anybody can say or claim any type of nonsensical Bovine Scatology …………. and it has No basis in FACT…………….. as far as this “identity” issue of “gender” goes………….. and of course ………… people NEVER lie when they are doing what is wrong …………… Right? ……..

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
***
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Amos Moses

This is where this permissiveness leads…………………

A group of shoppers and store clerks surrounded and detained a man until police arrived after witnesses say he choked an eight-year-old girl unconscious and attempted to molest her in a store bathroom in Chicago’s South Loop, police report.

According to Chicago’s ABC affiliate, police arrested Reese M. Hartstirn, 33, after witnesses said he was seen choking the child until she was unconscious, then carrying her into a stall in the bathroom of a store on South Canal Street.

The child, who was in the store with her mother, was later taken to Comer Children’s Hospital. Her condition was not released.

Witnesses told police that after the suspect was seen attacking the girl, the child’s mother and several of the patrons and workers of the store gathered together to restrain the man until police arrived.

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_**

Ronald Carter

Funny how that word “agenda” comes out over and over, and the only people who seem to know anything about it are the ones who insist that it exists.

ComeOnPeople!

Funny how those pushing all this insanity are claiming there is no agenda. Funny how there were never any gays,lesbians, queers or transvestites depicted in movies or TV and now they are in almost everything put out by unholywood. Funny how all of the same just mentions is in the news all the time now. Funny how non issues like going potty are now issues and less then 1% are of more importance then 99%. Funny how only the blind cannot see an agenda going on. Funny how our schools are now being forced to teach 5 year olds about 2 daddies or 2 mommies and pushing all genders to now commingle in the locker rooms and restrooms. Funny how people care more about themselves and their head staying buried in the sand then about what is going on around them, others and their country.

Ronald Carter

I can at least see how the discovery of new facts and findings and scientific data and evidence coming to light might be perceived as an “agenda” by those who don’t like the information they’re hearing.

Attitudes change, that’s why women and black people are allowed to vote now. LGBT issues were always hidden because of the shame associated with them, now we understand them better but somehow you’d prefer we went back to the days where they hated themselves so much and lived with the burden of it and never talked about it and ended up killing themselves. Just amazing, here’s your wonderful message about a loving and forgiving God who just might make these people feel like they aren’t completely worthless, and you want to shut them out and call them perverts and have them offing themselves like in the good old days. I don’t know about you, but teaching kids that some people are homosexuals and that some people are transgenders and some people have black skin and some people have white skin and can we please not shame them or kill them because of it seems like a pretty good message to be sending.

ComeOnPeople!

Women and blacks are actually offended when people try to use them in regard to LGBT issues.

Ronald Carter

Not the women and blacks I talk to.

ComeOnPeople!

I’m a woman and it offends me and most black people I know are offended because they are black just as I am female from birth. Our issues are not based on a mental illness but on race and true gender. A man who identifies as something other then he is has nothing to do with the issues women and blacks faced. It’s apples and oranges . Blacks and women are born that way and cannot change but Transgenders are born yet do not accept what they were born as. It would be like a black person saying they identify as a white person. Anyone looking at them would say they are delusional or myself saying I identify as a man. Anyone looking at me would tell me I’m delusional . Being black or a woman is reality but being transgender is accepting a false reality.

Ronald Carter

Your problem is your Stone Age belief that homosexuality is a mental illness. Try bringing that forward a few decades and get with the program.

ComeOnPeople!

My views are based upon the very Creators views via HIS words penned by HOLY men as HE moved upon them. My views are swayed not by time or the progression of a corrupt society. I do not cater to ever whim that men come up with but my heart remains towards God and HIS ways.

Ronald Carter

Your Bible’s words were written by men with very primitive knowledge, not by God. The passage of time means we attain more knowledge, and your comment that it’s a “corrupt” society is merely how you are choosing to view it because you’ve been indoctrinated to believe that homosexuality is sinful, which it’s not. There are a lot of people who try to do what they feel God wants them to but their beliefs could not be any more different than yours.

Amos Moses

So a womans right to privacy and to make decisions about their own body DOES NOT extend to peeing…… and violating the rights of everyone else to “accommodate” a person with body image dysphoria………. a “good idea” in your eyes….. and that is not mental illness and a reprobate mind at work who cant keep simple facts straight………….. probably because the facts conflict with the reprobate mindset……….

Jalapeno

What about my right to privacy from people who consider themselves to be a male and don’t want to be in there?

I don’t give a crap what parts they have. I don’t care how they were born…I care that they look and dress like a guy, I care that they hang out with the guy I might have a crush on, I care that they go by a males name.

Amos Moses

It has nothing to do with peeing or trannys……….. it is a full on attack on women ….. and you do not care …………. got it……….. women have no right to expect that they have a bathroom and privacy for them only………. and they can just put up with it or ……… what ….. and again…….. the hell with what is right ………. and the hell with women and their whining …….. they can get an abortion ………. but have no expectation of privacy in a womens bathroom ……….. and that is treating them “decently”……….. Got it…………..

Jalapeno

Some women care about genitals and you’ll stand up for their right to privacy.

Others prefer to focus on identity..but you don’t care about their right to privacy.

Some women feel safer having people go into bathrooms based on identity. You don’t seem to be too concerned with whether or not they feel safe.

So..why are you pretending this is about protecting women as a whole?

Amos Moses

“Others prefer to focus on identity..but you don’t care about their right to privacy.”

Their “identity” based on WHAT………… EXACTLY………………..

TheBottomline4This

Their “feelings”, LOL.

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !vv

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !

Amos Moses

“Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.”

At best they are confused…….. one cannot claim that they are against Gods creation and yet of God……. God did not create confusion……….. and the bible does not recognize “trans” anything….. we are all created by God ………. but we are NOT all his children……

John
8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

“Judge not lest ye be judged.”

Does not mean we are not to judge ……….. you had better go back read it ……….Matthew 7…THE WHOLE CHAPTER …….. because it is all about HOW TO JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY…… which we ARE to do…..Also see Galations 5&6….. FYI, i have made no judgement of your personal salvation…… i do not know you ……. but if something in my words has you convicted …… then you should examine yourself……

“Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are two and completely different things.”

And i have said, REPEATEDLY,,,,,,,, this is NOT about trannys………. this is an ALL OUT attack on women…….

TheBottomline4This

Your focus on identity is delusional. You are born the sex you are, if a person can’t accept the sex they were born, then they are emotionally/mentally ill.

Jalapeno

Sure..sure, if you say so.

Makes it kind of silly to have people pretend that they’re caring about women when they really mean that they want to use women as an excuse..but only the women that agree with them.

TheBottomline4This

Why can’t the trans accept the sex they were born?
Why are they intolerant of the sex they were born?
Why do the hate the sex they were born SO much, that they refuse to accept it?
These are serious questions.

Jalapeno

Seriously bad questions…yes.

Obviously this is a bit generalizing because I’m sure there are trans that ARE anti-female or whatever..but..typically…

They do accept that they were born a certain sex.

They are not intolerant of that sex.

They do not hate it.

TheBottomline4This

Riiiiight 😉
You’re almost just as emotionally/mentally ill as they are.

Jalapeno

It’s really not complicated.

A trans person says that they have a disconnect between their brain and body.

They do not say that they were not born as a woman.

TheBottomline4This

No, it’s a disconnect between their brain and feelings.

Jalapeno

Sure, if you want to go ahead and get a medical degree and take a few trans patients so you can tell them that they’re wrong..go ahead.

In the meantime, you should at least put in a little bit of effort to understand what they’re saying…such as the part where they don’t claim to have been born as a different sex.

Tony

WRONG..The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Tony

YOU CLUELESS people I am a Christian The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
_

Tony

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !

Tony

YOU ARE SO UNEDUCATED >>The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !

Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Tony

WRONG !!!! The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender.
You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it.I know this in my own life.***
Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***
***Trans-gender people are not the
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby rapist and adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender NOT whom you have sex with are
two and completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …

__ You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !

gizmo23

You have no constitutional right to privacy not even in voting.

Amos Moses

Better reread your 4th Amendment…………….

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

How is a person “secure in their persons” when the opposite sex is invading the bathroom? ……………… and it is the government DEMANDING that the invasion take place………………..

Amos Moses

The Fourth Amendment originally enforced the notion that “each man’s home is his castle”, secure from unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. It protects against arbitrary arrests, and is the basis of the law regarding search warrants, stop-and-frisk, safety inspections, wiretaps, and other forms of surveillance, as well as being central to many other criminal law topics and to privacy law.

gizmo23

That only pertains to crimmal actions by the government. Roe v Wade did say you have privacy concerning medical issues but beyond that very little

Amos Moses

And allowing men into a womans bathroom, and demanding that it take place………. is criminal …………. on the governments behalf…………..

Amos Moses

No, this is an attack on women……… it has NOTHING to do with Trannys………

Elie Challita

Funny to see the religious right suddenly pretending to care about women, when it’s historically been one of the most misogynistic groups in the country.

Amos Moses

Women, in Rome and before in most countries, before christianity…………… were considered chatel………………. that only changed…… due to christianity and christians….

Elie Challita

Not really, women were considered chattel in Christianity for a very long time as well, and many pre-christian civilizations in Europe were more egalitarian before they joined your cult.

Amos Moses

Chapter and verse……………..

ComeOnPeople!

Depends on if you are talking about religion or about God’s people.

Elie Challita

There’s a difference?

ComeOnPeople!

Huge difference. God’s people serve Him and His ways only. Religious people serve their religion and it’s ways and mix in God. Religion is a mixture of God’s ways, the devils ways and mans own ways. If you study the early believers you do not find organized religion but men and women faithful to the laws & precepts of God who refused to believe or practice the lies and perversions taking over the church in Rome, They became targets and were killed or imprisoned . Study history and you will see that YES there is a huge difference between God’s people and the people who practice religion. One is built on enslaving men and the other endeavors to make men free. Regardless of if you serve religion , the true God or not you must know that you serve something. Yet the only thing that makes a man free to be what he was created to be is his CREATOR. Religion has made a mockery of what it truly is to serve God and caused many to straddle the fence. God is no more pleased with religion then you are. He despises wishy washy . half in & half out people just as much as anyone. Who would want a wife who one minute vows faithfulness to you and says she loves you but then goes and sits on the lap of another? She loves you… she loves you not. She serves you at the same time serving her own lust for another. That is religion but God’s people’s hearts are toward HIM alone . They are not perfect and might fail sometime to please HIM yet their heart remains true and they refuse to straddle the fence. As a wife I may not always please my husband but my heart will never be towards another man. I’m faithful to him alone and he will never find me sitting on the lap of another. I’m his and he is mine. It’s the same with God’s people.

Elie Challita

This does nothing to answer my original statement: Religiously conservative groups have been, on the whole, notoriously misogynistic.

That difference that you’re citing means nothing to us who don’t share your beliefs, because we judge by the validity of your action rather than the veracity of your faith.

I don’t get what point you are trying to make. Christians in the US who are vehemently anti-established religion but declare a personal relationship with Christ are even more likely than religious Catholics to be misogynistic.

ComeOnPeople!

Romans … Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And CHANGED the glory of the UNCORRUPTIBLE GOD into an IMAGE MADE like to CORRUPTIBLE MAN, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who CHANGED THE TRUTH OD GOD iINTO A LIE, and worshipped and served the CREATURE more than the CREATOR, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they DID NOT LIKE TO RETAIN GOD in THEIR KNOWLEDGE , God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 9Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Elie Challita

Are you even answering anything I wrote, or just practicing for your soapbox street preaching later today?

ComeOnPeople!

The answer is there you just refuse to see it or are no longer able to do so.

Elie Challita

Dude. The entire discussion that I started was about the misogyny of religious believers. You simply jumped it and tried to derail the whole conversation with claims of difference between two flavors of believers.

Tony

The Transgender Brain development
How does the M to F Transgender?
Like the normal male embryo, the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out
female Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes introduce
testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes as faulty. They are either
insufficient or ill timed. When this happens, the fetus develops a male body.
However, some of the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain gender Identity
remains Female. This means that Transgender males whose process of a
masculinization was incomplete, their default female brains still function.
The degree of arrested development can very. The original brain circuitry that
was missed in the Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from as early as the
age of 3 years old that they are actually members of the opposite gender. You are
born with this unlike (Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).Though they too have some of the same traits.
Gender is not sexuality but, it may effect it. Trans-gender people are not all
perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. There
are more than 90% of so-called Heterosexual people baby/adult rapist in the world than
Trans-gender people. Trans-gender people are not all about sexual relationships
with whom ever like the LGB. Acceptance of Gender and NOT whom you have sex with, thw are
two are completely different things.
They just want to use the restroom wash their hands
and walk out.The True trans-gender want only 1 thing and that is to pee , then leave A.S.A.P.
. The only thing Trans-ladies might to in the ladies room is to urinate and hand up, check
makeup. and MAYBE look at the ladies shoes , clothing, make up and listen to the way the
talk. THAT’S IT !! and NOT in there for rape of ANYONE Child or adult females. …
I have been in the men’s room where this gay guy walk in after me and watched me urinate he
could have done the same to a boy child too. the Trans-gender do NOT belong with the LGB <
sexual preference people.It in human to me sexual but gender and sexual people ??? Seriously.
People with gender ID problems are not the sexual criminals You unintelligent fools believe
trans-people are. I challenge you to do real research into the trans-gender. that is IF you
have the intelligence to do that and read . And if you speak of me being not intelligent
because of my "grammar and Spelling" these do not have anything to do with intelligence .
they are spelling and grammar mistakes. If you have the intelligence to see errors you have
the intelligence to know what i was trying to say… I am also Dyslexic and i try to deal
with that too. I have seen the same errors on some of you so-call educated people what a joke.

Heterosexual people commit more Rape ( child or adult ) than any true trans-gender people.
You if you judge what you do not understand you You are the fools. I also understand the fears
too. but it is not the Trans-gender people its the criminal people you fear. I think if you
have a Diagnose of Gender Dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID)you are a female if male
to female or female to male. this should not be a criminal act just to urinate.

Tony

You bring in the Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are Not
the same as that.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone !

Slidellman4life

WHERE are the mods?

This troll has posted the same exact thing no less than *16* times in this thread!

Come on, guys!

ComeOnPeople!

Oh please don’t make all Transgenders out to be poor little vulnerable fragile people. How silly. Get a grip. A person no mater who they are stands on their own two feet and if they choose to come out with something that is apart from reality, then they know that society will think of them as delusional or mentally ill. Anytime someone claiming a fantasy to be their new reality, they are setting themselves up for ridicule. If I go into the mens restroom disguised as a man and squat in the urinal because I identify as a man yet being a woman then I cannot claim I’m vulnerable when they laugh at me or throw me out of the mens room because everyone else could see the reality but myself. I’m not a man , or a lion , or a rich person and no mater how much I identify as such the reality is what it is… I’m a woman… I’m human and I’m middle class. I would hope if I ever start claiming to be something apart from reality that someone would help me see reality again and not agree with my delusions.

hytre64

Title IX, Education Amendments of 1972 – has no mention of GENDER.

Everything in there is based on “Sex” and “Sexes” – which are biological and physical in nature.

“Gender Identity” as a “social construct” and “Gender Dysphoria” have no mention in the Title IX and have no relevance to them.

Theodore Fenton

The far-right religious fringe seems intent on destroying America.

jjgrndisland

The correct word is “left,” not right. Very different.

Teresa Jura

And what happens when some pervert uses this to their advantage? Where’s the right’s of girls who have been molested or raped?

TheBottomline4This

Oh that’s just us being paranoid 😉
It’s not the emotionally/mentally ill like the trans who we have to worry about doing that, but those who want to pretend they are trans to do wrong in the bathrooms are the problem.

Ambulance Chaser

Who are basically no one.

Jalapeno

Where’s the right of girls who are uncomfortable with people who identify as male in the bathroom with them?

What’s stopping people from lying and saying they were born a woman and are REQUIRED to go in the bathroom if thats the law we settle on?

Amos Moses

Brave Man Chooses To Self-Identify As Man

SAN FRANCISCO, CA—Declaring that he “has to be true to himself,” local man Steve Bakowski announced Friday that he is bravely stepping out and choosing to openly self-identify as a man.

“I don’t care what people say. I don’t care what people call me,” an audacious Bakowski told reporters. “I know in my heart that I’m a man. I’ve always known it, ever since I was a kid. I’ve never even second-guessed it. So I’m going to tell it like it is. I’m a man, and I’m not ashamed to say it.”

When asked about the possibility of facing backlash for his courageous stance, Bakowski was undeterred.

“I know our culture can be hostile to people like me,” he stated. “But I’m prepared to face the consequences. I know there are others out there who feel exactly like I do. They need to know they’re not strange, they’re not some weird freaks.”

“They need to know they’re not alone,” he added.

WorldGoneCrazy

Hahaha – love it, Amos! I, too, am coming out as a man, and I am NOT ashamed of it!

Ronald Carter

As a man who dislikes transgendered people?

ComeOnPeople!

Love transgender people enough to tell them that they have bought into a lie and it’s only going to destroy who they really are.

Ronald Carter

How would you feel if a well-meaning person told you that you’ve bought into a lie with your extreme right-wing version of Christianity and it’s only going to destroy who you really are? Would you think they “loved” you? No? Then why do you think anyone else is going to appreciate YOUR “loving” statement to them?

Ambulance Chaser

Well said.

ComeOnPeople!

I’d feel like they do not understand God’s ways, therefore they do not understand me. This life is very short & I do not have time to worry what others think of me. The world hates truth and it hates those who stand for truth. Those who only wish to cater to their own flesh and ideas will one day not only disagree with those who love TRUTH but they will also kill them. The bible says they will call good evil and evil good. It goes on to say that they will kill those who remain true to God’s ways … Thinking that they are doing God a favor. So yes my fate here is sealed in this life but this life is short … so I’d much rather please my Creator rather then those HE created.

Ronald Carter

So you’d doubt their authority on the matter, exactly.
Just as people doubt YOUR authority on the matter when you tell them these hateful things because you “love” them.

ComeOnPeople!

They and I have no authority. God’s word is the authority and it says what is Holy and what is profane . His word is what we use to judge our actions whether they be righteous or unrighteous in the sight of GOD. God gave those instructions not because they are hateful or to be cruel. HE wrote them because man had fallen from his original state & HE gave him instructions to draw him back. That’s love not hate. You hate someone if you cater to sins which will eventually keep them away from who God intended them to be and from their Creator. You do not understand true love and have bought into what media and propaganda tell you love is. Love is not just a fluffy feeling but it takes action. When it sees someone doing something that hurts them it tells them and tries to help them overcome it. If someone in my family was a drug addict and I told them what they were doing would eventually kill them… would that be love or hate? The only thing I would be telling a transgender person would be that they are fine just as God made them and that to think themselves something other then reality says they are will eventually destroy them. That is love not hate. Hateful people care more about their own selves and don’t care to help their fellow man. They accept everything so long as it does not affect them. But true love is willing to die to see someone else saved.

Ronald Carter

As many people have pointed out to you, the Bible does not speak clearly on the subject of homosexuality, and even if it did, it’s not God speaking but someone claiming to speak for God. You are drawing cruel and unfair comparisons to drug addiction which are sick and make no sense. I would look at a drug addicted person and feel bad for them because the drugs are destroying their lives, but I would not look at a homosexual couple that way because they have found joy and happiness in one another. I think the religion you chose to adopt is misguided in this respect.

ComeOnPeople!

Again I do not ascribe to religion which is a creation of man , I look to the words of God which HOLY men of God penned as God moved upon them. They did not write their own views but feared God and wrote what was given to the letter. Homosexuality is a perversion not being even in the thought of God. It is an addiction to an unnatural affect and therefore just as harmful as any addiction. It takes what God meant to be between a husband and his wife and perverts it. God intended sex to create children of which same sex cannot create. If the whole world were to adapt such behavior in the beginning, there would be no world. Sin is departing from what God intended you to be and walking after your own ways and not HIS. SIN will eventually destroy those who do not turn away from it but embrace it. This life is short and those who remind people of this love them and desire that ALL men might be saved. People need to get there eyes off of TV and Movie propaganda that is now pushing the LGTB agenda and put their hearts and minds back on the pages of God’s word. Then maybe they will have an encounter with their Creator and start a relationship with HIM and not the world or religion.

Ronald Carter

It’s a little mystifying that you think your faith is not a product of religion, because it is. What you have is religion. And there’s nothing wrong with that, some people in the evangelical movement have made “religion” a bad word and it isn’t.

Homosexuality is in no way perversion, there is not a single respected body of science or mental health who would say that, and these are experts in their field, and I think you would do well to listen to what they have to say on the subject and why. Same sex relationships might not be able to produce children, but you can say the same thing about infertile couples and the elderly. Love is what matters anyway.

Finally there is no LGBT agenda except to be treated like human beings.

ComeOnPeople!

No what I have is the LAW of GOD written upon my heart. I worship the Creator in SPIRIT and in TRUTH. HIS TRUTH says that all who sin must admit their sin and turn back to HIM and if they do HE is faithful to forgive them. But HE never accepts those who continue in sin. HE will forgive them many many times as they break free from their SINS and grow in HIM but after a while if they continue to practice lawlessness HE will turn them over to their lusts. LGBT are human beings that just like all the rest of us must turn from their sin and walk in the instructions GOD gave mankind that makes all men free. They just like any other person who transgresses HIS laws is a SLAVE to their sin. Only when you walk in SPIRIT and in TRUTH are you made free men and women.

Amos Moses

“Finally there is no LGBT agenda except to be treated like human beings.”

Actually, there is and they have written a few books that state it ………..

After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s (Plume)Sep 1, 1990
by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen —— on Amazon

Also The Naked Communist , by Cleon Skousen iterates the communist agenda as regards homosexuals and perversity ………….

Every book you mentioned, every last one of them, is absurd and offensive in the extreme. Yeah, communism. That has SO much to do with homosexuality. No sane person would take any of these books seriously.

Amos Moses

Communism has to do with the destruction of America…………. so yes as a tool of that ideology ,,,, using them to destroy this country ………. it is part of communism …..

Also Hunter Kirk is a homosexual so your argument is specious at best …… this article below is edited for brevity but can be found here …. massresistance. Remove this space. org/docs/issues/gay_strategies/overhauling.html

The Overhauling of Straight America
by Marshall K. Kirk and Erastes Pill

The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal.

At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America.

And any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should do six things.

STEP 1: TALK ABOUT GAYS AND GAYNESS AS LOUDLY AND AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.

The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on the number of one’s fellows doing it or accepting it.

STEP 2: PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS.

In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression.

STEP 3: GIVE PROTECTORS A JUST CAUSE.

A media campaign that casts gays as society’s victims and encourages straights to be their protectors must make it easier for those to respond to assert and explain their new protectiveness.

STEP 4: MAKE GAYS LOOK GOOD.

In order to make a Gay Victim sympathetic to straights you have to portray him as Everyman. But an additional theme of the campaign should be more aggressive and upbeat: to offset the increasingly bad press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women, the campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society. Yes, yes, we know–this trick is so old it creaks.

STEP 5: MAKE THE VICTIMIZERS LOOK BAD.

At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights-long after other gay ads have become commonplace-it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified.

Ronald Carter

If Hunter Kirk was a homosexual and wrote some kind of call to arms, what does that mean? It means that one guy who was angry and political wrote a book. It doesn’t provide any kind of proof that he was speaking on behalf of all homosexuals. I’ve read on this forum that homosexuals are predators and they prey on people, utter ridiculous, baseless, hateful garbage from people like you who are convinced that these people whose sole offense is wanting equality have some kind of “agenda” that lumps them in with predators and communists…I mean it’s so totally off the rails that I’m embarrassed that you believe it.

Amos Moses

“If Hunter Kirk was a homosexual and wrote some kind of call to arms, what does that mean?”

It means it destroys your fallacious statement ……….

Ronald Carter

Except that it doesn’t, because one guy writing a book is proof of absolutely nothing, as I am sure you know. My original factual statement still stands.

Amos Moses

It is proof …………….. that it EXISTS …………………

Ronald Carter

No, it’s proof that a book exists. It isn’t proof that this is the Official Homosexual’s Handbook for the Radical Homosexual Agenda.

Amos Moses

It is if it is being used …………. and it is ………. and so are you ………….. being used ………

STEP 1: TALK ABOUT GAYS AND GAYNESS AS LOUDLY AND AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.

STEP 2: PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS.

STEP 3: GIVE PROTECTORS A JUST CAUSE.

STEP 4: MAKE GAYS LOOK GOOD.

STEP 5: MAKE THE VICTIMIZERS LOOK BAD.

Gee, they could NOT follow it more closely………………..

Ronald Carter

You’re veering off the rails in a major way – this is serious conspiracy theory territory you’re in now. Homosexuals don’t have a code book.

Amos Moses

FYI, “conspiracy theory” is just a code word to give you cognitive dissonance from the truth …

They do not need a “code book” ………. it is not a theory ……….. FYI, it is not a theory when it has been done ……… it was written down and published and you can buy it online TODAY ……….. but many have already bought it in principle when it was put into effect ……… and many who have been duped into believing a lie ………. that homosexuality is “normal, natural, healthy.” …………….. are, as the communists have termed them ……………….. “useful idiots” …….. their term ……….. not mine …….

America’s Useful Idiots

By Steve McCann

Many years ago, a phrase was coined by the leaders of the Soviet Union to describe those in the West who naively promoted the cause of Russian Communism when in reality they were held in contempt and were being cynically used by the Soviet hierarchy. The term “useful idiot” more than ever applies to a vast swath of citizens in the United States who have been cynically used by the hardcore left for a cause they are unwilling to understand.

Among the mysteries confronting those of us who have immigrated to the United States from countries that have experienced the devastating outcome of socialist/Marxist ideology is why seemingly successful and educated people could be so easily swayed to support those whose end-game is to transform the country into a socialist “utopia” and to control the day-to-day lives of all Americans.

It aint a theory if it has been done …………………

Ronald Carter

“Conspiracy theory” is used when someone’s fear and paranoia takes them over to such a point that the regular everyday occurrence in life suddenly have imaginary sinister things going on behind them. Such as your beliefs about homosexuals, which are not based in fact, but in fear.

Amos Moses

No, it is cognitive dissonance ……………….. and the only “conspiracy theory” here is the Bovine Scatology you just spouted …….. Namely ……..

“someone’s fear and paranoia takes them over to such a point that the regular everyday occurrence in life suddenly have imaginary sinister things going on behind them. Such as your beliefs about homosexuals, which are not based in fact, but in fear.”

You were conned…….. you were duped ……….. they appealed to your VANITY and your own desire to have the LOVE OF OTHERS …………. and you do what you do ………….

They decided to plan an action to be committed, to act……….. but before they did ….. they wrote out the steps they were going to take ……. and signed their NAMES to it ……. then wrote a book …….. AND SIGNED THEIR NAMES TO IT … and PUBLISHED IT ….. TIMESTAMPING IT ……………. and then it was carried out …….. not by them…. but others did ……with step by step accuracy and precision…… and if that was presented in court …. they would be found guilty of CONSPIRACY (AS IT IS A CRIME) ………… NO “THEORY” involved ……….. THEY SIGNED THEIR NAMES TO IT ……….

But you cant see the truth ………………… WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! ….. How do you keep that kind of denial in your head without it exploding ……………

Ronald Carter

Yeah yeah, I was “conned”, I was “duped”… The kind of crapola you are spouting is usually done on street corners by guys with bullhorns and spaghetti colanders on their heads. I will stick with reality, thanks.

Amos Moses

So still in denial …………… i am not saying it was against your will ………. you do it willingly ……. but you do it none the less …………… and as the communists like to call them …….. “useful idiots”…………………

Ronald Carter

It is of course entirely your decision if you choose to buy into a load of hatred, lies, fear and paranoia. I elect to do otherwise, sir. Good day.

Amos Moses

No, you buy into the idea that those who just happen to disagree with you ……….. are ONLY motivated by that …………… AND YOU ARE WRONG ………………. it is Bovine Scatology ……

Try smelling what you are shovelling ……………

Ronald Carter

So you’re living in fear of communists and homosexuals who are out to get you, and I am the one who has been “conned”?

Wakey, wakey.

Amos Moses

“So you’re living in fear of communists and homosexuals who are out to get you, and I am the one who has been “conned”?”

Again ,,,,, no evidence ………… just more Bovine Scatology ………….. bye …………..

Ronald Carter

Burden of proof is on you. You have not provided evidence. That some twit writes a book means precisely nothing.

Amos Moses

Bye………

Amos Moses

It is hard to convince denial ………… denial wins everytime …….

Ronald Carter

Would you like me to give you a bunch of quotes from Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church and you can use that as the yardstick for all Christians, just as you are doing with one crazy person?

Amos Moses

LOL! …………….. so your argument is destroyed and all you have is Fred Phelps ………. First its “Finally there is no LGBT agenda except to be treated like human beings.” ……… Then when it is shown it has existed for almost 20 years …………. then it “Ok, but the guy is a nutter” …………. what a joke ………. on you ……….

Ronald Carter

If you want to make one political gay person a representative of the entire gay community, why can’t I let Fred Phelps speak for all Christians? And you haven’t proven that anything has existed for “almost 20 years.” You proved that a guy wrote a book. You don’t just fail here, you fail on a colossal, embarrassing level.

Amos Moses

The proof is in the pudding …………….. it has been and continues to be used ……….. and you have been duped by it ……………………

Ronald Carter

In the first place, I have never even heard of it before you mentioned it so I can’t be “duped” by something that I haven’t read. And you yourself have no proof that anyone uses it. All you have shown is that some guy wrote it. So what?

Amos Moses

LOL! …………… and yet you were conned into believing the lie ……………… whether you knew it was a con or not ……………. not relevant ………………

Ronald Carter

Once again, how can I be “conned” by a book that I’ve never heard of before today and never read? How does that work, Amos?

Amos Moses

You were conned ………………. by those who did read it ………… and ACTED on it ……….. and made “useful idiots” of those who did not …….. whether you read it or not is irrelevant ………..

Ronald Carter

I know of nobody who read that book, and I’ll bet you don’t either. Next!

Amos Moses

And WHY do you have to “know” them to be CONNED………………… they appealed to your VANITY for the love of your fellows ………… and bought it hook, line and sinker…………… CONNED all the SAME………………………….

Ronald Carter

You seem to be the kind of person who hears the words of one completely off his rocker maniac and decides they are the ultimate authority. You have to be more selective. You have to be willing to challenge crazy notions rather than embracing them. Get a second opinion. Get a twenty-second opinion. Get credentials. Real ones, not things like “I was a graduate of Jack Chick University”.

Amos Moses

The “completely off his rocker maniac” WROTE IT OUT ….SIGNED THEIR NAMES………….. a detailed plan …….. and have executed it …….. and you are still in denial ………….. WOW!

“You have to be more selective. You have to be willing to challenge crazy notions rather than embracing them. ”

Back at ‘cha ……………… and i am challenging your “CRAZY NOTION” …………… that there is no “gay agenda” ………………. when it has been CLEARLY demonstrated and PROVEN …. that is a LIE ………….. as they WROTE A BOOK DETAILING IT …………….

Ronald Carter

Your crazed shrieking, bizarre punctuation and scattershot and random ideas are not doing you any favors here. You still cannot grasp that if some nobody writes a book and two people read it, it has a long, long way to go before it becomes the definitive voice of a movement of people. Tell me, do you think all homosexuals are loud, out, political, flamboyant types who dress in drag and attend pride parades and have an “agenda” to actively RECRUIT and destroy the moral fibre of the world? Can you accept that SOME of them just want to live quiet lives free of hate?

Amos Moses

Bye ……………

Amos Moses

“Your crazed shrieking, bizarre punctuation and scattershot and random ideas are not doing you any favors here. You still cannot grasp that if some nobody writes a book and two people read it, it has a long, long way to go before it becomes the definitive voice of a movement of people. Tell me, do you think all homosexuals are loud, out, political, flamboyant types who dress in drag and attend pride parades and have an “agenda” to actively RECRUIT and destroy the moral fibre of the world? Can you accept that SOME of them just want to live quiet lives free of hate?”

STEP 2: PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS.

STEP 3: GIVE PROTECTORS A JUST CAUSE.

STEP 4: MAKE GAYS LOOK GOOD.

STEP 5: MAKE THE VICTIMIZERS LOOK BAD.

So you got all those into one paragraph ………… but you were not conned and conditioned to spout that diatribe of propaganda …. and i have no evidence? ………….. you are providing REAMS…………. Thnx …..

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

Ronald Carter

Does any aspect of this utterly paranoid tl;dr word salad have anything to do with homosexuality? Asking for a friend.

Amos Moses

It shows a pattern of how they planned to take down this country ……….. and they are just about finished ……….. because even if you do not want to believe it ………… it has still been done ………. and your comrades thank you ………… from the heart of their bottoms ……..

Ronald Carter

And tell me the truth, does that not sound just the slightest bit bananas to you?

Amos Moses

You sound that way ……………… the evidence supports what i am saying ………….. what you got …………………

Ronald Carter

You don’t have evidence. What you have is, some moron write a book.

Amos Moses

Bye Bye ………

Amos Moses

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Amos Moses

Marshall Kirk – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marshall Kenneth Kirk (December 8, 1957 – approx. July 28, 2005) was a New England … In 1987 Kirk partnered with Hunter Madsen (writing under the pen- name “Erastes Pill”) to write an essay, “The Overhauling of Straight America”, which …

Amos Moses

In 1987 Kirk partnered with Hunter Madsen (writing under the pen-name “Erastes Pill”) to write an essay, “The Overhauling of Straight America”,[1] which was published in Guide magazine. They argued that gays must portray themselves in a positive way to straight America, and that the main aim of making homosexuality acceptable could be achieved by getting Americans “to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders”. Then “your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won”. The pair developed their argument in the 1989 book “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the ’90s.” The book outlined a public relations strategy for the LGBT movement. After its publication Kirk appeared in the pages of Newsweek, Time and The Washington Post.

Amos Moses

Says the person trying to destroy this country ……….. they … the communists…. have a term for that …… useful idiots …………. their term …. not mine ………….

Ronald Carter

You fundamentalists are a hoot. Any time you disagree with somebody you accuse them of destroying the country. As if your desire to create a fundamentalist Christian theocracy wouldn’t do far worse things to it.

Amos Moses

Not a fundamentalist ………… try again ……….. FAIL!

Ronald Carter

You are a TEXTBOOK fundamentalist Christian.

Amos Moses

FAIL ………………

Ronald Carter

Yes. You do fail.

Amos Moses

Daily …………….. but your assertion is a FAIL …………..

Amos Moses

“As many people have pointed out to you, the Bible does not speak clearly on the subject of homosexuality”

LOL! Yeah, sure ……… you just make this stuff up as you go…… dont you … they are wrong …….. they know they are wrong …….. otherwise they would not be on every christian forum ………….. whining for “acceptance” and “tolerance” ……….. as you do for them ……….. and actually, most of them do not accept Christ and think it is “imaginary” ……. so they want to appeal to a person they say does not exist …………… truly delusional …..

LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

Love it ♥ LOL ♥

ComeOnPeople!

I’m a woman and I have a womb (among other things) to prove it!!!

Elie Challita

This is probably the first time that conservatives have enjoyed the Onion.

Amos Moses

Not the onion ………….. BabylonBee……… and it is satire ……….. with a very SHARP point …….

ComeOnPeople!

I was born female and grew up to be a woman… reality won’t allow me to deny it. I identify as what I truly am because I know any departure from that is not reality but a delusional fantasy .

Renate Will-Sahulcik

I hope this includes any bathroom the obama woman sneak into with gun protection!!!!

Nidalap

Hmm…mighty bold, kicking over the “messing with the kids” hornets nest. What are you REALLY up to?

disqus_O2BUmbLecp

If u vote for Hillary, u will hv more of this coercive pro-LGBTQ Federal policy.

John Kerera

Its intriguing how the US government is going out of its way to bend all the rules for .01% of the population. I liken the same to disposing a car because one nut won’t fit in correctly instead of simply changing the nut.

Ambulance Chaser

They’re not disposing of anything. Cis gendered people are still allowed to use the same bathroom they always have.

Bill Scudder

The government can not legally do this.

Ambulance Chaser

Why, what law are they breaking?

http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

Okay, but Obama’s not to blame for this as much as are the constitutional framers.

Transgender bathrooms are but one of thousands of consequences of the whirlwind today’s America is reaping as a result of the wind sown by the 18th-century founders when they replaced Biblical responsibilities with Enlightenment rights:

‘[B]ecause they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law … they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind…” (Hosea 8:1,7)

For more, see blog article “America’s Road to Hell: Paved With Rights.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our blog and search on title.

Then, find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the left-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

AndrewDowling

What a bizarro psycho world the LGBTXYZ types live in. In their eyes, the Big Global Crisis is that a man who thinks he is a woman (i.e., a crazy man) might not be allowed in the ladies’ room. Or (another Big Global Crisis) two sodomites can’t force a Christian to bake them a cake for a faux “wedding.”

And we’re pandering to those NUTS? Why?

ComeOnPeople!

IN the LGBT community LOVE WINS right??? NO what they practice is lust of the flesh and hate wins. They are slaves to sin and don’t even know it. Only those who walk in TRUTH and have the SPIRIT of God know what it is to be free . But the word of GOD forwarded us a day would come when men would call good evil and evil good. It says that as it was in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the son of man be. Also it says they will kill those who keep the ways of God thinking that they are doing God a favor. It says that God will have to shorten the days so that the very elect don’t fall away. I’d say we who LOVE GOD AND HIS WORD better get full of the word because we are fixing to be in a battle like never before.

Grace Kim Kwon

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