Speaker Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars, decided to be a bully with Christian children.

It isn’t that this is a shocker, Savage is a bigoted, agenda pushing SOB. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.” He happens to be a homosexual. He has many anger issues because there are people who don’t agree with the lifestyle he has. Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

The first thing he told the audience was, ‘I hope you’re all using birth control,’” she told CitizenLink. “he said there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying, because it says in Leviticus and Romans that being gay is wrong. Right after that, he said we can ignore all the (expletive deleted) in the Bible.”

Students were expecting him to talk about bullying. But they also got an earful about birth control, sex, and Savage’s opinions on the Bible.

Here are my comments……. Savage showed himself to be what he is, a bully. Children are easy to pick on. Thanks, Dan for showing the way. The thing is, I can accept that people live differently than what I believe people should. Most rational people come to understand this shortly after they turn 12y/o or so…….

This child in a man’s body chose to berate children because of their beliefs. He mocked and ridiculed their beliefs and upbringing. He didn’t engage in thoughtful contemplation nor discussion. He bullied children. He explicitly stated, “there are people using the Bible as an excuse for gay bullying …..” Yes Dan, we know this…… people have used the Bible for many things. But, if he’d bother to take the time to read the Bible, he’d know this isn’t the teaching of the Bible nor Christianity.

I’ll try my best to not discuss the merits of this bigoted stupidity. But, here are my thoughts…….. I don’t agree with that particular lifestyle. But, it isn’t for me or anyone else to judge him. Savage chose his path, he lives with his choice, I don’t. Or, if it was nature, as many propose, then that’s what happened, it still isn’t my burden and I still don’t agree with it.

It boils down to this…. there isn’t a person out there who can tell me what I need to believe or not. There is no authority which could or should do so, save for the God Almighty.

If Dan Savage wants to show me the people who used the Bible as an excuse to bully him or anyone else, I’d be more than happy to show them the errors of their ways. If Dan Savage wants to cry about people not liking what he does, then I’d say he needs to quit bitching and get over it.

I smoke, I drink, people whine, people are aggressively angry towards me for doing so. I do a lot of other things which cause very angry reactions. You don’t fix the problem by bullying children.

Dan Savage is an asshole. Not because he’s gay, but, because he likes to bully childrenand Christians….. making him no better than the people he hates. Actually, it probably makes him a worse person, because he should know better. What a scumbag.

Dan Savage fails to realize that there are some principles of the Bible that are based in practicality and very applicable in everyone’s life. For example, you reap what you sow. When Savage sows hatred then he should expect that’s what he’s going to receive in return. He needs to stop his whining and grow up.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association.

Bullshit. Sure he has the right to say whatever….. and I support his right. But, I’ll call out….. every time…… bigoted haters who bully children….. every time. He doesn’t like the Bible or Christians…. that’s fine. God and him can work it out. But, let’s not pretend its OK to lure young Christians into a place where they will be spoke down to because of their religious beliefs.

You’re absolutely right, “Dan Savage has the right to say what he likes, and if you don’t agree, don’t listen. Simple as that.” But it isn’t right to lure and then attack children because of their beliefs. And, that is exactly what that scumbag did. As did the organizers. It isn’t ok… not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Sorry Anon – you are correct he has the right to say what he wants. So does a bully. And that is all he is – a bully and a hypocrite. He is the same vile creature he is supposed to be campaigning against.

It’s funny that you say you don’t agree with that “lifestyle” as if homosexuality is a choice and someone makes a conscious decision to be gay. Now I know a lot of fundamentalists don’t believe in science, but we in the scientific community generally conclude it is not a lifestyle “choice”. What if I said I generally don’t agree with the Christian lifestyle choice? Well not the Chrisianity so much as the picking of which morals from the bible we happen to decide we want to enforce this year. Where are the mass outcries against divorce and infidelity? Leviticus 20:10 “and the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife…shall surely be put to death”.

Pretty strong wording!!! But politically tough to pick on straight men who commit adultery so the Christian majority stays mostly silent on this atrocity! Oh the hippocricy!

I don’t agree with that particular lifestyle. But, it isn’t for me or anyone else to judge him. Savage chose his path, he lives with his choice, I don’t. Or, if it was nature, as many propose, then that’s what happened, it still isn’t my burden and I still don’t agree with it.

I agree, there should be a louder outcry against infidelity, and there should be much more consideration going into the decision of marriage. But, if you were to attend some of the services in churches nearby my home, you’d hear condemnation of such actions. And, then you’d hear the message of redemption. (post Old Testament) It’s just that those messages don’t reach the front page.

When you stated, “What if I said I generally don’t agree with the Christian lifestyle choice?” That would be fine. And, that would be fine if Savage had stated such. But, that’s not what occurred. Like a predator, he lured young Christians into an area in which he felt comfortable in bullying these young children about their lifestyle and choices. You use the word hypocrisy, I find that’s an apt description of Savage’s act.

Nothing selective about it. I disagree with the word lifestyle as I wouldn’t say I live the straight lifestyle, I would say that’s the way I was born (I don’t ever remember making a conscious “choice”, perhaps you do?)

My general problem with using the bible to legislate morality is that it’s often wrong. Man wasn’t created from Adam and Eve and the earth is certainly not several thousand years young. You can believe the overall guiding message but to attempt to legislate the specifics is lunacy.

Sigh….. you believe that was my invention? Take it up with the G&L lifestyle advocacy groups. I borrowed it from them.

PhD, I don’t really have any rules about being topical, but, typically its customary to at least give a passing nod to the subject matter.

There are problems with attempting to legislate certain specifics from the Bible. OTOH, some aren’t so difficult, such as murder and what not. I certainly can’t speak for all Christians, but other than ensuring a free functioning society, we should leave the choices to the individuals as best we can.

And so you would argue gay marriage would negatively impact society? If so, Massachusetts, the state that has gay marriage for longer than anyone (almost 1 decade) would suggest you are wrong. The divorce rate among heterosexuals in Massachusetts is the lowest in the nation (see here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/divorce-rate-in-gay-marri_b_267259.html). Perhaps suggesting an inclusive society that values and encourages fair and equitable treatment for all partnerships actually has a POSITIVE effect on marriage? That’s of course hard to prove, but equally hard to disprove!

PhD, I made no such claims. Please don’t put words in my mouth in such a manner. You may not believe this, but homosexuality isn’t something that most Christians obsess over. The issue doesn’t rate in my top 100 things to think about during the day. I’ve no interest in discussing the issue. My position on the issue is clearly stated in the post.

Well you made the implication of negatively impacting society. That said, i’m glad you support fair equitable treatment of marriage for all couples! If couples want to marry the state has no right not to grant them a marriage license, if the church doesn’t want to perform the ceremony – FINE BY ME!

Did you read in the bible that I was unqualified. My PhD in biomedicine would disagree with your idiotic statements. Regarding homosexuality just read a little of the current psychology literature – that’s the stuff from real academics not a staff member at focus on the family.

“My PhD in biomedicine would disagree with your idiotic statements.”
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Then you should understand the difference between Normal Science i.e biomedicine…which depends on facts. And Psychology a post-normal science which is governed by whims / feelings / whatever rocks the boat at that time.

Haha still laughing! Dear Kim – surgery and engineering are often considered post-normal science. Do you refer to those as “whims” and “feeling”. Just because we can’t prove how the earth came into existence doesn’t mean we don’t have overwhelming evidence for evolution.

But really it doesn’t take rocket science to answer the human sexuality question. Just answer me, when in your sexual development you were 50:50 gay:straight and then you decided you were going to choose the, presumably, “straight lifestyle”.

Sorry, I do not do the bible. And you apparently do not do science. You fail science 101. You can have a PhD in phrenology for all I care. But if you are going to make stupid statements about science, no one is going to believe you “do” science.

Suyts, Kim is attempting to discuss science of which s/he has very little knowledge. The point of origin of earth and evolution are very relevant to that discussion. What Kim is referring to as “post-normal” science is a methodology whereby some facts may be uncertain say psychology, but even surgery and evolution can be considered post-normal science. My point is that just because we can’t say for sure how the earth came into existence does not mean the overwhelming proof for evolution is invalid. You see creationist/intelligent design “pseudoscience” typically doesn’t involve any real inquiry, it merely attempts to poke holes in any are of real science that is incompletely understood. The old “well you can’t prove that;therefore, i’m right.”

I think you’d find the evolution discussions here a bit more advanced than that. As for post normal science, you may be surprised by the knowledge of many commenters here. Most are regulars at WUWT, as well. Jerome Ravetz used to make guest posts there.

While I can see a value of the concept, I think applying it tends to lead to “cargo cult science.

Because Suyts that’s a ridiculously stupid statement from someone with a bigoted Christian agenda who says that homosexuality is wrong and therefore women should not be with women and men with men. Turn those sentences around and say them about heterosexuals – you would think i was completely crazy, no?

Haha oh i’m sorry you’re still a virgin! I’m sorry that science keeps getting in the way of your Christian dogma – hard to espouse your bigotry in the name of faith when those pesky scientists keep getting in the way!

If science points to homosexuality as having a largely genetic or physiological cause it makes it much harder for the people wanting to use their bible as a weapon of discrimination against gays/lesbians to have any legitimacy. This is why I say people should enjoy and use the lessons of the bible in their own lives, but not try to legislate morality from the specifics of what was written.

In the 1800s there was ample evidence cited by pro-slavery advocates in the South that the bible supported/endorsed slavery (fortunately opponents of slavery also used the bible towards more desirable ends). Of course today we don’t judge others by the color of their skin, knowing this is not something one can change at will and therefore we (mostly) forbid discrimination on this basis. As science progresses the specifics of the bible often become less believable…Adam and Eve?

Adam and Eve? I wonder how many people are familiar with what the Bible actually states about them? Sure, why can’t there be an Adam and Eve? The first cogent couple? Of course, that assumes you believe in the common ape ancestor.

Sure, I can agree with that. What I can’t agree with is the thumpers wielding their bible telling people who they can love because passage 22.5.1 explicitly forbids it! Meanwhile they ignore most passages that deal with the multiple sins they’re generally committing!

PhD, if you can’t discuss with kids in an articulate manner, how can you expect to make serious discussion points with adults. It is possible to have adult conversations without specifically addressing personal sexuality.

Try to folllow along. All adults who have went through puberty understand they don’t get to make a choice on who they’re attracted to. When you get to a certain age you will have attractions to one sex or the other that are largely beyond your control. You can choose to abstain from sex for some time, but eventually for a healthy fulfilling life – you will find a partner to be intimate with. Again this will be largely out of your control. Adult men understand this – we don’t get to decide what/who stimulates us.

Haha oh i’m sorry you’re still a virgin! I’m sorry that science keeps getting in the way of your Christian dogma – hard to espouse your bigotry in the name of faith when those pesky scientists keep getting in the way!

BAAP! Another error in scientific reasoning. Actually 2.

#1 – kim2ooo has not indicated her chaste state. Scientists do not make such childish assumptions
#2 – Religion and Science are not mutually exclusive. Many Competent scientists are very religious as well. And many religious are competent scientists.

You assume too much, state facts not at all, and want us to believe you are a scientist? If you are, you are the poster child for what is wrong with education in America.

I found this banter between all of you quite interesting… A Bully is a Bully ! I personally don’t know if you are born gay or straight. But you do have the choice to pick which one you want. Just don’t force it on me. 🙂 Because I too have the same choices.

Try to folllow along. All adults who have went through puberty understand they don’t get to make a choice on who they’re attracted to. When you get to a certain age you will have attractions to one sex or the other that are largely beyond your control. You can choose to abstain from sex for some time, but eventually for a healthy fulfilling life – you will find a partner to be intimate with. Again this will be largely out of your control. Adult men understand this – we don’t get to decide what/who stimulates us.
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So adults can’t control themselves?
Processed Chesses….you sound like a rapist trying to convince the jury.
Maybe, you act like an an animal in lust

Kim, if you’re going to address him in that manner, then “I’m a kid” doesn’t count toward moderating content. I understand what you’re saying, and as long as you’re good with it, I’m good with it…… depending upon your age.

No! What ThePhDScientist is saying is we don’t get conscious control over whether our mind/body chooses to be attracted to men or women. And sex, whether we like it or not is a normal, healthy and instrumental part of life. To suggest a gay person abstain from sex because they are gay is both bigoted and idiotic!

No! What ThePhDScientist is saying is we don’t get conscious control over whether our mind/body chooses to be attracted to men or women. And sex, whether we like it or not is a normal, healthy and instrumental part of life. To suggest a gay person abstain from sex because they are gay is both bigoted and idiotic!

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It is idiotic for someone labeling themselves as an intellectual – to think any place here that I suggested gays should abstain.
Reading comprehension is an acquired skill.

Stop being an idiot! There is no thing on which to act on. You are either gay or you are straight. Would you say a straight person is making a choice when they choose to marry their partner? Could I easily make a straight person choose a person of the same sex as a partner? That is clearly what your terminology implies – that a gay person chooses to act on these indiscretions and that they could easily choose to be straight. Stop playing GAMES!

It’s interesting that you’d bring this up. I recently had a similar discussion with a fellow believer. While I’m a literal translationist (to an extent) I also understand that time coming from God to a man writing for others may have lost something in translation. It is interesting to note that earliest civilizations date 12,000-8,000 B.C.

That could be true. It could also be true that the Bible was simply a collection of stories created by and penned by men that reflected the socially evolving morals of the day – hence the drastic change in tone from the old testament to new testament.

Well, Christians assign a different reason for the change in tone. The books of laws were to bare witness to the fact that mankind is imperfect an incapable of perfection. They lived under the perfect law, but were incapable of abiding in it. Christ fulfilled the law and brought redemption. He bears our imperfections.

Of course. Have to be off to bed, so let me give you a final thought. For me here’s what it boils down to. I have a gay cousin (who’s more like a brother) and two great gay neighbors (northeastern liberal city😉.

As a scientists (who’s a former Catholic schoolboy) I have a very difficult time believing any literal interpretation of the bible as many of the literal tenets have already proven untrue. However my Christian friends, who are also scientists, reconcile these differences by not taking such a literal approach to the Bible, but having faith in a higher power and the bigger picture stories that the bible tells.

The problem for me ensues when people start telling my cousin and gay neighbors that they don’t have the right to the same happiness I have because they are gay and the bible specifically says that’s wrong. This is when I feel I need to point out that much of what is written in the bible and what is extrapolated from the bible is in fact wrong (science has proven so). Wielding the bible as a weapon of prejudice is something I find wholly unconscionable and leaves me with a bad taste for religion.

The best definition of marriage, which comes from anthropology, would have it as “a union between a man and a woman such that children born to the woman are the recognized legitimate offspring of both partners.” Notes and Queries on Anthropology (1951)

Marriage was a human construct that originated when peoples started to develop greater social connections that extended beyond the immediate family – when social groups, tribes, and villages formed and people started to trade and own things they wanted to pass on to their children. The marriage ceremony was a conspicuous and sacred declaration before the community that the woman and future children were to be recognized by the community as having rightful inheritance of all possessions gained by the family unit and more in particular the man. Because the purpose of marriage was all about bearing children and inheritance most cultures provided a means to end the marriage in the case of infertility – some means nicer than others.

This concept predates written history so it is no big surprise to see the Bible frame it as a union between a man and a woman. The authors are simply stating the obvious as it was understood by anyone at the time. The Bible simply re-affirmed and upheld the sacredness of marriage. So, contrary to belief, marriage was not instituted by the Bible. It existed long before. As such, we can dispense with the Bible trashing. If you want to trash, you’ll need to go much further back into human history and trash the early nomads.

The question of why someone is gay is immaterial. What is the justification for anyone demanding that the definition of marriage now be change after thousands of years of it having a very definite meaning and purpose? How far do we take these demands? Do we include interspecies unions under the definition next? I think we need to leave the original meaning in place and, if it is felt to be necessary, create new constructs that better defines the purpose and need.

Yes! Marriage is all about creating families. The masculine and feminine heads of the household that lead to a balanced rearing of their children.
The original legal definition of marriage was to protect the family. The current corrupted definition actually destroys the institute of the family.

Looks like President Obama and the rest of the individuals in the intellectual or thinking class agree with me. So do a vast swaths of under 40 and under 30 Americans. The tide is turning, the boomers are dying – nothing you can do to stop it. You can kick and scream all you want now, but the younger generations are always more progressive, more fair…

The younger generation are being trained to be Puppets.
You display the puppet mentality, and that of the mental myopic.
The form of progression you promote is regression of true intellect.
You would not know FAIR if it kicked you in the teeth.
You are quite right though, intelligence is a dying art. Your pseudo Intelligence thinking class is the antithesis of critical thinking. There is a name for what you display and that is Group Think!

Chump:
You want to know something? Neither am I!
I have the advantage of not being Brainwashed but also the advantage of helping those that were to learn critical thinking skills, so they they could reenter the real world as productive citizens.
GLBT is a lifestyle choice that we all made at some time during the period we were growing up. True some were guided in their choice by their parents and peers, but it is still a choice that everyone has or will make at some point in their life. Some even change their mind later in life. Some can never decide and swing from one position to the other.
Of course that is only based on 50+ years of observational evidence.
You however have probably found the Gene that causes sexuality!😉 BS!

That’s the biggest load of garbage I’ve ever heard and none of the science or psychiatric data supports – just because you’re old doesn’t make you right. Maybe a bit out of touch, definitely not right. Who you going to ask to fix your iPhone your grandpa or grandson..?

PHD:
Who the F do you think fixed the phones and helped develop the technology that lead to the Iphones. It was the old farts like myself that were the analysts in the communications industry.
I have forgotten more about human interactions than you will ever know, Sonny!
The university that gave you that sheepskin should sue you for discrediting their name, or you should sue the university for false promises, because it is obvious you did not learn Jack $hit at that school.

The grreatest stupidity is thinking you know when you actually know not. And yet a supposed PhD makes that same mistake – because he is too ignorant to know that he knows not.

Obama was running low on funds, he merely RESTATED his position – the same one he had 6 years ago. The same one he has always had. And it was an EMPTY statement since he has NO POWER to force states to do a diddly damn thing. He suckered you and the rest of the “thinking class” and it was easy. Why? Because you are too stupid to know that you know not.

Oh Phil you’re so childish. Does it really make you feel good to hurl insults at people who don’t agree with you? I don’t know how old you are, but by your board posts it appears 12 or 13. Really when you get the urge to just post something useless, why not go out for a walk or run. Help fight the obesity epidemic that’s destroying America.

That’s lovely conjecture based on some random anthropology. But you’re leaving so many important details out!… Anthropology also shows us in the late 19th and early 20th century many states (especially our friends in the South) also made it a crime for interracial couples to be married or even have sex. And this just wasn’t our favorite states of Alabama and Virginia, this even happened in the wild west of California (see Estate of Monks – San Diego).

You see Hank, in the great country of America we don’t look backwards and say that’s how it was and that’s how it always will and should be. We look back and recognize our mistakes, our prejudice, our discrimination. We own up to it. And, we say, in this great country every person has certain inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – WITH WHOMEVER THEY CHOOSE.

Conjecture? Are you saying there is no understanding of the origins and purpose marriage based on Anthropological studies? Random? Hardly. Notes and Queries on Anthropology (1951) is one of the most authoritative books on modern Anthropology. It is required reading by many universities. I referenced it because it is a credible source.

You confuse anthropology with law history. Why study artifacts and ancient writings to find their meaning when you can go to the state library and look it up verbatim in state archives?

Also, you confuse acts of current law with the origins and development of human behavior, which is specifically what I was addressing. In that context, I did not leave anything out. Had I attempted to address law history, then you might have a valid point.

You also didn’t read my comment in its entirety. Where did I say gays don’t have the right to be happy? Read the last sentence in my comment and don’t be so quick to assume something other than what I said.

I love your use of the word Baap! LOL. It makes you sound so intelligent!

You dimwitted old fool. Anthropology = the science of humans; especially : the study of humans in relation to distribution, origin, classification, and relationship of races, physical character, environmental and social relations, and culture.

From Dictionary dot com: “the science that deals with the origins, physical and cultural development, biological characteristics, and social customs and beliefs of humankind.”

You apparently do not know what you are talking about PhD, but then you have proven that. HISTORY shows us about the facts. Anthopology tries to determine the WHY (for the second time, want to make it 3 times you show your ignorance?).

Your problem is you do not know what intelligence is. Like many PhD (alleged), you stopped thinking and learning once you got the sheep skin. Kim is using a critical skill – it is called thinking, and is foreign to you apparently.

The worst enemy the gay community has is ignorant arrogant people like this clown. My Brother is gay, and fundamentalists do not threaten him. He KNOWS where they are coming from. But ignorance and arrogance of supposed learned people scare the hell out of him, because he knows they can and do perform the greatest damage.

You debated him excellently. Only showing up his own prejudices and ignorance.

…If couples want to marry the state has no right not to grant them a marriage license,

Gross mis-assumption, and mis use of words does not lend itself to your claims of grandiosity.

Marriage is not a right. Rights do not come with restrictions. Marriage comes with restrictions and costs. Brothers cannot marry sisters (both consenting adults). People are not allowed to marry multiple partners (all consenting adults). Adults are not allowed to marry children. And those do not even get into the gay versus straight argument. So marriage is not a right, and the state is depriving no one of rights.

Where did you get your degree? I want to make sure my grand kids do not waste their time and money going to that shyster outfit.

Haha still laughing! Dear Kim – surgery and engineering are often considered post-normal science

Maniacal laughter is not a sign of a well adjusted individual. And neither surgery NOR engineering are considered post normal. Both are hard sciences. They are reproducable as far as results, and thus follow a normal scientific method (unlike the art sciences that are not testable using normal means).

So you now admit you are clueless on what PNS is? You sure are making a case for revocation of any degree you have.

Because Suyts that’s a ridiculously stupid statement from someone with a bigoted Christian agenda who says that homosexuality is wrong and therefore women should not be with women and men with men

No, kim2ooo made a statement of fact. Facts are neither pro or con anything. They exist as facts because they are proven to be true. What is DONE with a fact can be positive or negative. Kim2ooo did nothing with the fact other than to point out your error. You misassumed (again) and made a fool of yourself. Basically defending something that was not under attack.

Try to folllow along. All adults who have went through puberty understand they don’t get to make a choice on who they’re attracted to.

“have went”? I take it your degree is not in English?

And you are making assumptions not shared by the body scientific (as you claim). For indeed, some have already defended the mother who dresses her 8 year old son as a girl, and is trying to force the girl scouts to allow him to join. He has not “went” through puberty yet.

You’re a fool there is no difference. You’ll understand that when you hit puberty.

Your descent into childish ad hominems indicates a clear win for kim2ooo. You were bested in a scientific debate by a child. I suspect you are a child yourself, and no PhD. For you clearly lack both the discipline and knowledge to hold such a title.

Oh yes your comments were merely an observation with no judgement attached. GMAFB.

Unless you are claiming clairvoyant powers, you can only go on what Kim said, not what you WANTED her to say. Ergo, since you have not demonstrated any clairvoyant abilities, you got beaten by an admitted child. And she gave you an effing break. You used it to hang yourself.

Phil does anyone take you seriously? You have nothing to contribute but your limited knowledge of Latin phrases and unrelenting dogma with the inability to consider any opinion that’s not your own. Now scurry along and let the adults have reasoned debate.

I am laughing my head off at your pathetic attempt to rationalize your own ignorance and arrogance. Kim played you like a harp from hell, and it was easy. She merely remained logical and factual, and allowed you to make a fool of yourself.

Your petty ad hominems make no difference to me. I have actually been insulted by competent people before. Your pathetic attempts are an amusing aside, nothing more.

The Game Players think the games are reality and those that live in the real world are the ones playing the games.
The PHD whatever should learn the lesson of not trying to Bull$hit a Bull$hitter.
I and other logical persons that visit this site know the difference between games and reality and we tend to participate in both from time to time, however when an outsider comes in with their version of the GAME we can easily spot their illusion.
Life experience has taught us much and it is refreshing to see some of the youth are learning the lessons we share.

Kim and Phil:
It was a pleasure reading statements from rational individuals.
I am glad to see you both hung in there with your myopic opponent.
Age nor so called education attainment determine the ability to think logically.
If we were British I would say “Good Show! Being a redneck I will say thanks.

PHD:
Now you are stooping to age discrimination to add to your religious discrimination and your display of mental myopia.
Maybe you should visit your proctologist for your vision exam. How is that window in the belly button working out.

If science points to homosexuality as having a largely genetic or physiological cause it makes it much harder for the people wanting to use their bible as a weapon of discrimination against gays/lesbians to have any legitimacy. This is why I say people should enjoy and use the lessons of the bible in their own lives, but not try to legislate morality from the specifics of what was written.

PhD, there is no gay gene. We’ve searched for it for decades and haven’t found it. That is not to say that it can’t exist but it is to say that medical research does not offer much support to the argument that being gay is genetic. I’ll be careful to point out that I’m not referring to congenital conditions that result in atypical genital development. That’s a different discussion.

Exposure to various drugs, toxins, and various gestational anomalies can affect brain development and chemistry, possibly affecting sexual orientation but so far any studies focused on this possibility are correlational, problematic, and inconclusive. That said, I think it plausible that some form of gestational anomaly could be in play for some individuals but not all. We should not overlook emotional, relational, or cultural influences which predispose.

But, since you brought science into the mix, what if science were to find a genetic or gestational cause for gayness? And what if there were a cure for that anomaly? Should parents seek that cure for their children while in gestation or would you find such action bigoted and insensitive? If so, why?

That’s the biggest load of garbage I’ve ever heard and none of the science or psychiatric data supports – just because you’re old doesn’t make you right. Maybe a bit out of touch, definitely not right. Who you going to ask to fix your iPhone your grandpa or grandson..?

Sorry the tides are changing…get on board or drown!

I am going to get the experienced technician, not some kid who has no sense of value or worth. And the reason I am going to get the experienced technician, is they practice a modified Hypocratic oath, while the kid has not even heard of a hippo.

The difference between you and I, is that I have wisdom with age, you just have age, and no wisdom. And that is why a self professed child can Pwn you.

The difference between you and I, is that I have wisdom with age, you just have age, and no wisdom. And that is why a self professed child can Pwn you.

(and if you really believe Kim is a child…then let me tell you about this deal I have for you. A free Caribbean vacation for you and your entire family, you just need to provide me your social security number, address, and major credit card number!)

More childish ad hominems. YOu have no wisdom, and your posts reek of a child. SO I doubt you have any age. I on the other hand, learned from life. I know enough to spot a phony juvenile ad hominem spewing immature child when I read one.

When you can rationally and logically discuss the issue (which you have no clue on), try again. Until then, stop with the stupidity. I can see why your alma mater is embarrassed you attended (I wonder if they would back up your claim of a doctorate?).

Oh Phil you’re so childish. Does it really make you feel good to hurl insults at people who don’t agree with you? I don’t know how old you are, but by your board posts it appears 12 or 13. Really when you get the urge to just post something useless, why not go out for a walk or run. Help fight the obesity epidemic that’s destroying America.

YOur arrogance prevents you from both admitting you are wrong, and recognizing when you are. I made an observation. I hurled no insults. Calling a skunk a skunk is not an insult, it is an observation. When you learn to think again, you will realize how childish and foolish you are behaving. But no one can make you think.

It’s not me who’s the arrogant one…it’s he who looks out the window and will endlessly proclaim its still 1950. Have you seen the polls on gay marriage Phil? You don’t need a science PhD to understand the tide is changing. It’s just a big issue. And if you look at the under 40 crowd those numbers become even more pronounced. So it seems to me it’s largely members of the 40 and over crowd, those traditionally most resistant to change that want to impede progress on marriage equality….

Ok didn’t like what I said…hurl those insults my way (it’s like being back in the sandbox)!

Sorry, arrogance is creating strawmen for your own jollies, and then running off to crow about how you “bested” someone. When in reality you got your arse handed to you on a platter.

What has polls to do with anything that was discussed? I did not mention them. I do not believe your owner mentioned them (perhaps I missed where Kim2ooo brought them up). All your bringing them up at this point does is prove 2 things.
#1 – You are an ignorant and lost the debate
#2 – You love to appeal to authority when no authority is needed, just the facts.

You are so blinded by your own self perceived brilliance that you do not even realize your own ignorance. But that is to be expected from what I term the “illiterate literati”. Those who know so much about nothing.

So go for it! Tell me about the 1950s (when you were not even a sparkle in your grandparents eyes), tell me about the polls of today, which have no bearing on the debate whatsoever. And tell us why being homosexual gives one the extra right of bullying when no one else is afforded that pleasure.

Please, enlighten us with your magnificent ignorance. And please! Do not stop accusing others of your own tactics. Calling you ignorant and arrogant are not pejoratives, they are descriptive. If I had called you stupid and smug, those would be pejoratives.

I would suggest for your next accomplishment, passing an English Comprehension class would do you a world of good.

What the polls show, my childish boy Phil, is that people holding the bigoted opinions of some of the posters on this board are fastly becoming a minority. American’s are for marriage equality. And please, don’t tell me I lost the debate, when you don’t even know what the debate is.

Here’s the facts Phil…The first state in the union to legalize gay marriage – Massachusetts. The state in the union with the lowest overall divorce rate…Massachusetts! Seems that marriage equality has an overall positive effect on marriage. So those lame, lame arguments that somehow gay marriage is going to destroy the sanctity of marriage is pure, bigoted B.S. You know what’s destroying the sanctity of marriage. Those drive-by weddings among heterosexual couples that stay married for 3 or 4 months and then move on to the next – Newt Gingrich. Here’s another interesting tidbit…You know those Southern Bible Thumping states? The one’s where they believe marriages is defined as the union of one White male property owner, with one barefoot and pregnant female…Yeah divorce rate in those states – HIGHEST in the nation!

Interesting how those statistics all work out huh? Well just think 50 years ago blacks couldn’t sit at the same lunch counter with whites, progress moves fast…not matter who’s trying to impede it!

LoL no i’m not “a Gay”. Are you a straight? I’m recently married to a wonderful woman and have an awesome gay cousin who is more of a brother to me and two really cool gay neighbors. Are you someone who follows the pseudoscience of the Republican party?

PHD, your singing to your own tune doesn’t change what you said here. It isn’t me that thinks your FOS here everyone else thinks so too and you done this all by your self. ya can try to spin it how you like, but it is what it is.

ME just look at what you’ve posted here…. Not one single piece of fact, evidence, or any sort of reasoned debated. You’re as worthless here as a fly on the wall – only slightly more annoying since you’re one of those flies that makes a bit of an irritating buzz from time to time.

I don’t refer to people as “a gay”. I’m pretty sure we would say he is straight, not he is “a straight”? Maybe that’s just my understanding of English. It seems people are either gay, straight, or bisexual? The only issues I have are with some of the bigots who post on this board.

How about because BIG GAY MASSACHUSETTS, has had big gay weddings for nearly 10 years and the institution of marriage is stronger in MASSACHUSETTS than in most of those lovely BIBLE THUMPING STATES!!! BAHAWAAHAAAAA!!!

And yet they’re so much more accepting and so less bigoted. Interesting huh? Do you think that’s because they understand the world at a greater level so they have less innate fear of something different or unknown. There’s actually some interesting science to support that theory.

Oh not it’s you again….LoL…I’m very happy to! It seems that many posters on the board could benefit from some more education! Foremost among the uneducated would be the mystery man “ME”!!! (Although I guess if it’s not spoken by some misogynistic holy figure then they won’t believe any of it.)

PHD
It is because they are Bigoted and suffer from mental myopia which leads them to only be able to see their own faults in others while fantasizing that the have acquired the attributes of those they disagree with.
It was conservatives that ended slavery and promoted civil rights.
It was Democrats that formed the KKK.
It is the Democrats that are promoting modern day slavery through Welfare and other government programs. The country is becoming a group of mental slaves like you. You even admit it. The only progress the Progressive party wants is to enslave the minds of the populace.
You have been brainwashed.

If you really believe that and aren’t even smart enough to consider where the other side is coming from then you’re a complete moronic idiot.

You see I can at least understand the bigotry born out of religion. I just don’t buy it. Especially when the tenets deemed so important to follow are usually the ones where a minority group ate the target. Do u see the evangelicals calling for laws against all the gluttons in the US. No since 2/3 of the country are fat, that’s a tough sell.

Wow,now you are showing yourself to be the peice of crap we thought you to be. But you did that earlier didn’t you…… I don’t know but maybe the majority here thinks so! But hey that’s a consensus and we all know what it means!

There are Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
If you need statistics to support your theory you are promoting a fantasy.
But then You are a typical Pathological wanna be scientist so that is expected. You should sue the school that granted that degree because they did not teach you anything for all the bucks you spent.

Hehehe! And you two haven’t had an original thought that dust derive from a Fox News talking point. Pathetic really! Get out and see the world, experience something new. There’ so much more to life than your bigoted trailer park banter!

What that you’re overweight? Probably the statistical likelihood is high! That at best you have a college education but possibly not even that….based on your comments and world view that seemsost likely. Certainly no higher education. That you probably fit in best around a trailer park in the deep south? ABSOLUTELY!

And please, don’t tell me I lost the debate, when you don’t even know what the debate is.

You are still clueless of what the debate is. And I am not you boy, sorry, I do not take kindly to racists bigots who try to make points with not so subtle racist epithets.

Here’s a clue for you – you are trying to be a bully as well. Here is a fact for you. You are a failure. I am not intimidated by your faux degree or your bellicose racism. So take your “boy” back to your home and diddle with him. That appears to be your strong point.

By the way Phil…Would that be Watts, Oklahoma population 316? LoL….!!!
Just let me know so I can book my ticket, or perhaps I could hang glide in as I’m sure there isn’t airport around for miles and miles!

Well great I wish I could be happy for you and Phil and Mike but really I feel sorry or you all. Such pathetic lives that you have to actually spend all day protesting against the happiness of gay Americans.

Let’s imagine I did the same thing against gluttonous fat Americans. I mean my arguments would certainly be more valid. It’s a fact that Americans are obese fatties. It’s a fact that two obese Americans are hundreds of times more likely two give rise to obese children. It’s a fact that obesity is now the number one health problem in the USA. So how about I take your lead. NO marriage for Obese folks! After all the bible said gluttony was a sin and we clearly know marriage is defined as one normal weight man and one healthy weight woman!

Oh child you still have yet to post anything that says anything. Really go back and read your posts. I mean Phil and Mike are bozos but at least they try. You haven’t even given it that much. Might I recommend an education?!???!!

Me…… what on earth would make you think I wouldn’t allow your comments?
Honestly, you guys were so busy on this post, I didn’t have time to read what was stated.

I’ll read the whole silly thing tomorrow. Everyone here is welcome to comment again. I wish the conversation had a more reasonable tone about it, but …. it didn’t. I tried to steer the conversation to different posts, but you guys weren’t having it.

As far as I can tell, everyone got their say and had ample opportunity to state what they had on their mind and make the points they wished to make. I suppose that’s progress.

On a bright note, this and one other post basically broke the record for views today. Sadly, neither one was a current post…. which I thought would have held more attention. You never know…… ttyl.

Sorry when did I say i was Christian? There ate thousands of Gods out there. Are you an atheist against those Gods?

“ate” Gods? Do they taste like chicken?

Apparently our esteemed guest is ESL and not very knowledgeable. You cannot be “atheist” on some gods. You are either Atheist or a Theist. Period. (Theist does not preclude Polytheism for the slow learner with the fancy title).

At least I don’t require two seats on an airplane while clinging to my fanciful belief that gay marriage is destroying society! Proof please!!!!

Proof of what? That I am not fat? Sorry, I never claimed not to be (and I do not care if you think I am). Proof of what? That you are a failure at debating, and do not even know who you are talking to? The proof is in the comments above.

Proof that you still are clueless on the debate topic? Again see above. For the slow learners here (PhD), the topic is NOT Gay Marriage. The topic is not who or what they are. The Topic is B-U-L-L-I-E-S. And the fact that Savage is one.

And guess what clueless? Gays can be bullied or bullies. They can be Christians, or Atheists. They can be smart or stupid. They can be kind or vindictive. They can be just like anyone else. And only a closet homophobe like you would think they can only be pigeon-holed into a stereotype that is totally off subject, off topic, and off your rocker. I feel sorry for your cousin. He has the worst kind of homophobe in the family. A condescending ignorant one.

What you will find is your worst nightmare. Men who do not like to be called boys because of the racial stereotyping. And what you will also find is your worse ass whooping you have imagined. But then a racist bigot like yourself has no clue on what the hell you are talking about, so you regularly insult others with your bigotry. So far, on this thread alone, you have insulted blacks and gays. If you keep posting, I am sure we will see Hispanics, Asians, native Americans and women added to the list.

You are are sick puppy. All you have is hate. You are a sad pathetic little man, a racist homophobic bigot.

Oh big boy all that blood supply to your fat cells is cutting off the flow of oxygen to your brain. I’ve not once made a racist comment against any ethnic minority which is precisely why you can’t cite one. Furthermore it is you who wishes to deny gays the right to marry because of your steadfast belief in the passages of fairy tales. And yet those same tales rebuke gluttony, where’s your action there?

More mindless racism and bigotry from the king of ad hominems. You have no clue what you are saying, or even why you stuck your head into the meat grinder. That would require an intelligence you have yet to demonstrate.

You are a poster child for what is wrong with education in America. I am not talking on the doctorate level since it is clear you do not have one (or even a college education), but on the grade school level. You cannot maintain a constant thought, nor profer one coherent idea without resorting to senseless and useless pejoratives and ad hominems.

The ony down side to your lack of intelligence is your ability to vote. Alas, there are enough shills out there to guide your hand, since you lack the brain power to do so, to vote for whomever will allow you to suckle at the government teat.

And hey the Klan had a consensus when they were hanging a single black man from a tree! What’s a consensus worth with a few homophobic fools that think alike…not much!

And you know this first hand no doubt. Since you are both a racist bigot and a homophobic jerk. Please keep painting yourself with your petty tirades that reveal the true racist homophobic bigot you are.

By the way Phil…Would that be Watts, Oklahoma population 316? LoL….!!!
Just let me know so I can book my ticket, or perhaps I could hang glide in as I’m sure there isn’t airport around for miles and miles!

Please – do not try to play dumb. You do it so naturally.

There is also a Watts Texas. But then you would not know that, being the racist bigotted tool you are.

Yes, and I am sure you knew ever corner of the state. Just as you do Oklahoma. You know so much that is not true, that it is difficult to find any truth in any of your postings. Seeing that you are so ignorant, the correct address is Watts Los Angeles, California.

But since you cannot find your way out of a paper bag, I doubt you can find that place either.

Given the only homophobe here is you, I guess we now know that you are also fat. And yes, we know about your love of masturbation since no sane women would ever spend a night with you – not even for a high price.

Well great I wish I could be happy for you and Phil and Mike but really I feel sorry or you all. Such pathetic lives that you have to actually spend all day protesting against the happiness of gay Americans.

Ok, so you are trying to paint me with your bigotted brush. So I will challenge you. I know you will not respond with anything resembling an answer (just more senseless homophobic racist diatribes), but I want it written for all to see the sad pathetic container of hate you are.

Show me where I have stated anything about gays. Not A GAY (Dan Savage, a pathetic little bigot like you – well not little since you have admitted you are obese), but GAYS. Go ahead, we will wait.

Was reading some news and came across this video. Strangely, made me think of this thread. I hope some of the anti-gay bigots on your site watch this and see the way they directly contribute to destroying the lives of people. I found this so touching and so awful!

I wonder if this story makes them feel proud, like they’ve accomplished something?

PhD, What the hell? What does this have to do with anything on this blog? I know you and some other commenters argued, but, I didn’t see anything stated related to this video. Though, this is a long thread…..

Come on Suyts, really? All of these bigoted, bible-thumping asses who post on your board need to see this and realize what they do to people’s lives. The issue of gay marriage most certainly came up and this video is one big reason why EVERYONE should agree with President Obama!

I see you are still deficient in both debating techniques and logic. No facts, just ad hominems right out of the gate. You have proven one point. The only people voting for Obama are racists and bigots. And that is the best reason not to be associated with him.

PhD, I don’t think you understand the nature of the people, here. Most, of course, are conservative to libertarian and many practice a traditional Christian faith. But, if you look at the issues covered here, the issue you’re obsessed with, gay marriage, isn’t something we concern ourselves with. But, as you can see, some of the commenters do enjoy a raucous dialogue from time to time. BTW, most people here have agreed with President Obama in that it is a question for the various states. I did write about the political implications of Obama’s statement.

You’re right! I’ll admit it, I am blatantly Christian-o-phobic when it comes to matters of religion being used as justification for discrimination. When the bible is used as rationalization for legislating against some carefully chosen sins, while willfully ignoring all of the others. Guilty!

I am curious to see what you wrote about the political implications of Obama’s statement, I must have missed that one.

But no I don’t see this as a state’s issue. Any more than biracial marriage being a state’s issue. If we can’t get past this then the government needs to not offer any form of marriage license to anyone. All couples regardless of race, creed, orientation can be given civil union papers with identical rights and privileges and “marriages” can be left up to the church to preside over. I think that is the only fair and equitable solution.

“The appeals court agreed with a lower court judge who ruled in 2010 that the law is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right of a state to define marriage and denies married gay couples federal benefits given to heterosexual married couples, including the ability to file joint tax returns.”

The wonderful document our founding fathers gave us, called the U.S. Constitution has worked well for a couple hundred years, and it continues to do so as long as fealty to it continues.

And institutionalized in the democrat party. Yes, we know of the racism that seeks to divide and conquor. It has been used effectively by the likes of Robert Byrd and now Barack Obama. While the rest of the nation tries to live a life without it, the democrat party constantly pushes it back by exhibiting it.

It is engrained in everyones history. You only have to look at stories in the Bible about the Barbarians. Effectively we still discriminate against Barbarians and as an ethnic group they were wiped out because I don’t know anyone who calls themself a Barbarian. Maybe I should claim to be one and say I have been persecuted by the English speaking world. I have never read the Bible but as it is a common saying, so guessing that the story about this ethnic group or tribe is not good.

Suyts and PHD I think you both seem to overeact. Attacking when it may be better to defend. You both seem to be concerned that others (especially government) will tell you what to do. When 2 countries become very fearful of each other they will then start a war when just a little more understanding may have prevented it.

For reference, ….. Barbarian is of Greek origin. A biblical word analogous to barbarian would be
gentile. Ironically, the term “Philistine”, which has biblical origins specifically relating to one group of people, was adapted to English as a word which holds a meaning much closer to “barbarian”. 🙂

Of course you do not. YOu are the Napoleon of this animal farm. You abhor individual rights, and only look to the collective to impose YOUR will. You come in here making false and even libelous allegations – sans any shred of proof – and then propose a totalitarian dictatorship to fix the problems that do not exist. You leave all facts at the door, descend into petty ad hominems at the get go, and then expect people to buy into your hatred and racism.

The problem with you is that these are not sheep here. They know that there is only one Napoleon, and they look at you and shake with fear that such a person would ever gain total control. Pol pot was very similar to you. A man of high ideals who knew how to fix everything. A quarter of the Cambodian Population later, the sheep finally got rid of the mass murderer.

Oh poor Phil, I see you’re still a big, fat twat. To “fix the problems that don’t exist”. Please take your big butt to all of the gay and lesbian couples in America who’ve banned from their partner’s funeral or who’ve been restricted from seeing their partner in the hospital, or who’ve been denied benefits and tell them there are no problems here, none at all. Just make believe. You’re a complete fool.

Well thankfully the young people of America agree with me. We don’t find it necessary to discriminate against couples because of carefully chosen passages from a book of fairy tales. We believe in equal rights for all couples. So as soon of the oldies die off, progress happens. It’s the way it’s always been and the way it shall continue to be…Pretty soon those boomers will be too old and decrepit to make it to the polls and vote for bigotry.

It’s legit to fight for a political goal. I don’t wish you luck, though – I still have problems with gay couples adopting children, something that you imply as desirable with “equal rights for all couples”; and would rather let that woman who married herself adopt one.

BTW, ain’t all this a little bit discriminating against threesomes? I see the next protest movement already. Why limit to two?

That slippery slope argument is so tired Dirk! Really you should know that by now! Polygamy and gay marriage are not the same thing. When you deny gay marriage you deny one class of people the ability to marry the person they love. You can’t force a gay person to go straight and then marry someone of the opposite sex. That has nothing to do with marrying two people – no they’re not even close to similar please don’t even try that lame B.S.

I also find it intriguing that you would apparently rather keep a child in an orphanage or bounced around in foster care than be adopted by two loving parents, regardless of their sexual orientation. Especially in light of all the psychiatric and psychological data showing a child does much better raised in home with 2 parents (of any orientation), than in a single parent home or living in the foster system.

Non Sequitur. You again stand on your soap box, creating fairies that do not exist, and fail to address the points raised. You are your own worst enemy.

Perhaps when you actually do get an education, you can address the issues I raised, and (in your own warped way) quote where I have even touched on the subject of gay couples. But alas, you instead run off on your own bigotry.

By any objective standard, you clearly are not smart enough to hold the title you seem to want everyone to believe you have. But then I have seen enough stupid PhD’s in my lifebelieveieve that yes, there are enough idiots out there that you actually managed to get one (ala the Biden method).

You call me a fool because you have yet to best me in a battle of wits. You cannot even best a child. So your petty ad hominems are amusing at most, and just a sad testament to your lack of rational thought in all probability.

And from a public health issue fats are way more of a problem then gays. Costing billions of dollars in health care raising fat kids. Obesity is now a bigger problem than smoking in terms of public health. So really my argument against fats adopting would be stronger than your argument against gays. Should I seek to get a ballot initiative to stop this atrocity? Or would people think I’m a crazy bigot?

DIrk, thank you for pointing this out. I don’t moderate this blog. I feel a free flow of communication is essential for understanding.

I’ve no objection to use of colorful language, a pejorative, here or there, or blunt statements. However, for the people here, on this blog, devolving the exchange to simply hurling insults(you know who you are), it doesn’t speak well for the position one holds. If there’s an argument to make, make it. But, let’s clean up the juvenile name calling.

I find that an honor. That you so hate me you have yet to understand a single post I have made, or even to read what I have stated. I represent the hope for this country. But in your unbridled hatred (for the sake of hating), you do not even know what I stand for. All you know is that you hate, and so have no conception of what you are talking about. You are indeed what is wrong with liberalism. A total lack of comprehension of the issues, or even of the any discussion you partake in.

I do not hate you. I do not pity you. I see you for what you are. A sad bent man who flails at windmills not knowing why, just trying to feed the hate that burns within you.

Hmm maybe you’re right. It’s been a long while since you’ve actually shown that you have a high school level of understanding on any topic. You seem to believe your sole purpose is to spit out your limited knowledge of Latin phrases (ad hominem) while not actually making any useful points.

Gee PhD, I did not know you were ignorant of common phrases. So in the future, instead of saying “ad hominem”, I will merely point out that your second grade insults are non sequiturs and destroy any credibility you may have.

Or do I need to use single syllable words so you can take them to your kindergarten teacher for translation?

As for Points, as I said, had I known you were mentally handicapped and incapable of understanding the written word, I would have tried single syllable words instead. In the future, I will try to do so. However, you lack of reading comprehension does not negate any of the points I have made.

Here’s what I wrote: Well thankfully the young people of America agree with me. We don’t find it necessary to discriminate against couples because of carefully chosen passages from a book of fairy tales. We believe in equal rights for all couples. So as soon of the oldies die off, progress happens. It’s the way it’s always been and the way it shall continue to be…Pretty soon those boomers will be too old and decrepit to make it to the polls and vote for bigotry.

And here’s what you wrote: And where did you come up with this delusion that anyone agrees with you? From the 32 states that have voted against it? Or maybe all the states that have voted for it (0 to date, only legislatures have). I really do not expect a response, just more petty ad hominems, but thought I would give you at least an oppotunity to use your grey cells for something other than basic animal instincts…

So apparently it is you who is unable to comprehend an argument. Big boy, let me ask you this. In those 32 states where bigotry prevailed, was the vote 100% to 0% in favor of homophobia? Or was it often a reasonably close vote or something in the neighborhood 60:40 etc.? Now Phil, hold onto your big pants, it gets complicated here. If we look into the statistics a bit, what do the numbers tell us about the people voting in favor of homophobia and those voting in favor of equality? Ahh that’s right – they tell us that the younger the voter the more likely they are to favor equality. They also tell us those oldies who sit at home with little to do and who are most likely to make it to the polls generally vote for homophobia. Now if you can hold onto that thought, please reread my original post…

Ooh here it comes in the style of the global warming argument. Let’s split hairs to detract from the big picture! Sorry, you lose!

He is not splitting hairs. He made a valid point which you seem to fail to grasp (not uncommon in your case). Instead of address his point, you once again, descend into your petty ad hominems, admitting defeat without even a meager attempt at a rebuttal.

Well thankfully the young people of America agree with me. We don’t find it necessary to discriminate against couples because of carefully chosen passages from a book of fairy tales. We believe in equal rights for all couples. So as soon of the oldies die off, progress happens. It’s the way it’s always been and the way it shall continue to be…Pretty soon those boomers will be too old and decrepit to make it to the polls and vote for bigotry.

And where did you come up with this delusion that anyone agrees with you? From the 32 states that have voted against it? Or maybe all the states that have voted for it (0 to date, only legislatures have). I really do not expect a response, just more petty ad hominems, but thought I would give you at least an oppotunity to use your grey cells for something other than basic animal instincts.

No big boy it’s not a non sequitur. It’s yours and people like you who think that their own bigotry and “ickyness” toward gays should stop them getting married and adopting kids.

Imagine if we did the same for fat people! I find fats icky. Gluttony is a sin

I tire of your stupidity – and no, that is not an ad hominem. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, and stupidity is the refusal of knowledge. YOu have refused to learn. So I will make it simple for you.

It is indeed a non sequitur. I challenge you to find any bigotry of mine, other than against stupid people such as your self, to any group of people, gays, blacks, greens or sheep.

So Mr. faux PhD, quote where I have demonstrated bigotry against anyone except yourself. I freely admit I am very intolerant of stupid people. And you are king of that group.

And from a public health issue fats are way more of a problem then gays. Costing billions of dollars in health care raising fat kids. Obesity is now a bigger problem than smoking in terms of public health. So really my argument against fats adopting would be stronger than your argument against gays. Should I seek to get a ballot initiative to stop this atrocity? Or would people think I’m a crazy bigot?

When you are in a hole, common sense says to stop digging. You have already proven your bigotry, along with racism and homophobia. Now we can add Obesophobia. Should we just say you are Panphobic?

As for what you should do – perhaps that hole you crawled out of needs you back.

Here’s what I wrote: Well thankfully the young people of America agree with me. We don’t find it necessary to discriminate against couples because of carefully chosen passages from a book of fairy tales. We believe in equal rights for all couples. So as soon of the oldies die off, progress happens. It’s the way it’s always been and the way it shall continue to be…Pretty soon those boomers will be too old and decrepit to make it to the polls and vote for bigotry.

And here’s what you wrote: And where did you come up with this delusion that anyone agrees with you? From the 32 states that have voted against it? Or maybe all the states that have voted for it (0 to date, only legislatures have). I really do not expect a response, just more petty ad hominems, but thought I would give you at least an oppotunity to use your grey cells for something other than basic animal instincts…

So apparently it is you who is unable to comprehend an argument. Big boy, let me ask you this. In those 32 states where bigotry prevailed, was the vote 100% to 0% in favor of homophobia? Or was it often a reasonably close vote or something in the neighborhood 60:40 etc.? Now Phil, hold onto your big pants, it gets complicated here. If we look into the statistics a bit, what do the numbers tell us about the people voting in favor of homophobia and those voting in favor of equality? Ahh that’s right – they tell us that the younger the voter the more likely they are to favor equality. They also tell us those oldies who sit at home with little to do and who are most likely to make it to the polls generally vote for homophobia. Now if you can hold onto that thought, please reread my original post…

Oh, I used multisyable words and you got scared again! Sorry, you do not comprehend a debate. You can say you are gods gift to stupidity, but without sources or facts, that is just your idle boast. You made a statement, with no facts to back you up, that contradicts the facts I presented. However, my facts are sourced – are you really google impaired? I guess so.

You really are a bore. If you could at least try to learn that would be different. But you take it as a badge of honor that fact that you refuse to learn! And that little man, is stupidity. Yes, you are still stupid. You do not know what a fact is. You do not know how to source any statements you make (commonly referred to as ignorant opinions), you assume facts not in evidence, you use racist epithets, homophobic slurs, and not fat jokes as well. Quite simply, you are the perfect liberal – ignorant, bigoted, opinionated and wrong.

Haha you fat idiot. You can’t refute anything I’ve written can you? So you say i’ve used racist epithets and homophobic slurs. THAT’S FUNNY! Show me one of my posts where i’ve done that. NO, WE KNOW YOU CAN’T! Stop projecting onto me Big Boy. Just because you’re fat, homophobic, and racist doesn’t mean I am!

Still stuck on your stupid ad hominems (oops! There goes those multisyllable words again). But to answer your childish challenge, yes I can.

You called me “boy”. A racist term to denigrate a black man. You are a racist, even when it was pointed out to you your racism, you doubled down on it.

You have used the term teabagger as a pejorative. A practice commonly associated with Gay sex. Using the term is not homophobic, using it as a pejorative is. (Just as using queer is not necessarily a homophobic term, unless used as a pejorative).

You are a childish racist homophobic bigot. Who has no clue when he has been pwned.

Wow you’re an idiot. First of all tea bagging is not specific to gay sex ( but you wouldn’t know since it’s unlikely you’re having gay or straight sex! Secondly your grasping at six degrees of separation to come up with this stuff is even more hilarious!!!

I am well aware of the polls. I am also well aware of 32 states voting records. I am also well aware of the Bradley/Wilder Effect. All of these things are totally foreign to you. Since you live in a child’s world where Critical thinking is not an option.

If you ever did have an original thought, it would die of loneliness in that cavern upon your shoulders.

Oh ok big boy there you go again with that all important 32 states! How many states voted for slavery? (how many southern states?) did you forget that part of the job of the constitution is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority? Oh but a slight majority of people in 32 states are homophobes so that makes it ok…Great argument!

YOu have made no challenge. You have simply tried to bully your way to a point with childish ad hominems and juvenile pejoratives. You are incapable of even posting a coherent thought with out either of them.

I have answered every challenge you have made. You have made no points. And you have ducked every challenge I have made, answering with racist epithets, homophobic slurs, and school yard taunts.

Haha I guess we can assume Dirk and Big Boy Phil don’t agree with discriminating against fat people, but dont really know how to then justify their discriminatory beliefs against gays!?!! Come on guys lets just say in US fat people are the majority therefore we can’t discriminate???!!

And take notice which geographic region of the US is most homophobic…Is anyone surprised that it’s the South? Aren’t these Southern states generally the poorest and lowest educated ones as well?

Yea, like California. They are one of those ignorant southern states as well. Polls showed massive support for gays. They have Milk, Feinstein (both gay opportunists), Boxer and Moonbeam.

And they are one of the 32. As I said, you have yet to post a fact, or use critical thinking skills. Instead you appeal to authority, and use racist and homophobic slurs to try to bully others into getting your way. Unfortunately for you, this is not some ignorant college campus where you are surrounded by a bunch of empty headed children who look upon you as some sort of god because you got letters behind your name.

Nor do those letters mean a diddly damn here. I have far more letters behind my name than you ever will, but you do not see those letters in my name. Because they are not who I am. They are merely some of the accomplishments I have made in my life time. You do not know the difference. I guess you are so bereft of any real accomplishments, you have to invent phony ones.

#1 – I never claimed influence – so that is a lie on your part
#2 – I never claimed to live in Texas, so that is another lie on your part
#3 – I have yet to utter one word associated with homophobia on line. YOu are free to quote anything I have said, anywhere I have said it. Maybe chasing your tail will keep you from practicing your bigotry.

The only defense i see here is your defense of your racist homophobic bigotry. Ugly as it is, you are free to be one. But that does not mean anyone here has to agree with you (they do not) or even like it.

Wow you’re an idiot. First of all tea bagging is not specific to gay sex ( but you wouldn’t know since it’s unlikely you’re having gay or straight sex! Secondly your grasping at six degrees of separation to come up with this stuff is even more hilarious!!!

YOu apparently cannot read either. I did not say ‘specific” as everyone can see (except you), I said “commonly associated with”. Which means it is practiced and ASSOCIATED with. It is not specific to.

And I am grasping at nothing. I used your own words to show you are a racist homophobic bigot. And you offered no credible rebuttal. You did not even deny that you are.

It is indeed funny, but a sad funny, that such a racist homophobic bigot like you can pretend they have some letters behind their name.

Oh ok big boy there you go again with that all important 32 states! How many states voted for slavery? (how many southern states?) did you forget that part of the job of the constitution is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority? Oh but a slight majority of people in 32 states are homophobes so that makes it ok…Great argument!

How many states voted for slavery? I bet you do not know. I will bet you have no clue. But that is a non sequitur in any event, since no one is enslaving anyone (other than you wishing to enslave those you hate).

Second, show me where all who voted are homophobes. I am sure there are some. But I want to see some factual data on the number. Provide it or withdraw your lie.

And third, the constitution is amended with the consent of 75% of the states. That is not unanimity. That is a super majority. And nothing, not even the SCOTUS can stop the constitution. So your “tyranny of the majority” is another non sequitur, since you do not know what you are talking about.

Fourth, 60% is not a “slight majority”. You failed math I see.

So why are you a racist bigoted homophobe? Did a gay black man make a pass at you?

It’s hysterical that you call me a bigoted homophobe. Phil do you support equal rights for all couples? Do you support gay marriage? How many gay weddings have you been to? All respond to the rest of you nonsensical Southern hogwash when I get more time…

How many black “friends” do you have? See how stupid your statement is? But I will not answer because you refuse to answer my challenge, and I have answered one of yours. So until such time as you answer my challenge, find your own puppet to dance with.

And my Southern Hogwash? LOL! I have not made any declarative statements about the south – YOU HAVE! Are you getting senile and do not remember what YOU SAID?

So Mr. Racist homophobe – answer my challenge. Or continue to prove to everyone that those letters behind your name are either honorary or stolen.

By the way you slothy bloviating ignoramus – what kind of support have you ever seen in the US for passing a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. It seems while there are the gay bigots like you then there are the equality supporters like me and then the Americans who are on the fence but uncomfortable with a constitutional amendment. Sorry fatty this isn’t 1950 there is no chance in hell of passing that kind of bigotry in a federal amendment – no matter how badly you want it. Check latest Fox News Polls! 53% against and 38% for such a bigoted federal amendment. And that number is dropping as people like you get old and drop off due to obesity related diseases..

Ah, the smell of defeat in the morning! More ad hominems from the small minded racist bigot that cannot discuss or debate issues on their merits and must resort to childish school yard taunts. I love to smell burning bigot in the morning!

You deciding something is “non sequitur” doesn’t make it so. Just like you saying your big boned doesn’t mean that you are not clinically obese. You understand?

You’re going to call me a homophobe and yet you’re afraid to expressly share your views on the subject? Anyone reading this knows who supports equal rights for all couples and who is the homophobic bigot…!

What polls would that be? YOur imaginary ones that say you have a PhD? If I want a poll, I will ask Suyts to create one. If I want to see what is going on in the country, I am certainly not going to your poll. I will look at the ballot box.

Haha yes we know you would. We know you will only listen to people who think like you and ignore all other scientific evidence. Because that’s what you do! After all it’s the science that should be working to support your notions!

But, perhaps you would believe the FOX NEWS POLL????

In case you can’t figure out how click on a hyperlink it says “A small majority still support anti-gay bigotry, but don’t want a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage”…

Now let’s talk about all the ways FOX NEWS got this poll wrong. It must have been those liberal, lefty, leftists who actually conducted this poll and then somehow snuck it onto Fox News website, RIGHT!!!????!!!!!!?????

You deciding something is “non sequitur” doesn’t make it so. Just like you saying your big boned doesn’t mean that you are not clinically obese. You understand?

You’re going to call me a homophobe and yet you’re afraid to expressly share your views on the subject? Anyone reading this knows who supports equal rights for all couples and who is the homophobic bigot…!

Since you do not even know what a non sequitur is, we can discount your objection. Especially since it is a non sequitur. And just because you are a homophobic racist bigot does not mean you do not have views. It just means they are wrong. So keep it up! I love the smell of toasted bigot at sunrise! Keep boiling bigot. YOu are doing fine all by yourself.

p.s. For the slow learners, let me repeat: But I will not answer because you refuse to answer my challenge, and I have answered one of yours. So until such time as you answer my challenge, find your own puppet to dance with.

Does it make you that upset that I have a PhD? Perhaps knowledge is what makes me less afraid of gay people… The reason why allowing them to get married or adopt children doesn’t frighten me?

Since you hide your real name, I only conclude that your title is simply another make believe one that is so prevalent on the Internet. So no I am not upset. I know people like to play pretend, and that is all you are doing.

And with friends like you, gay people need no enemies. I am sure your friendship will result in many backstabbings as you have demonstrated your hatred of them. Thank god you are no one’s friend.

Haha yes we know you would. We know you will only listen to people who think like you and ignore all other scientific evidence. Because that’s what you do! After all it’s the science that should be working to support your notions!

But, perhaps you would believe the FOX NEWS POLL????

In case you can’t figure out how click on a hyperlink it says “A small majority still support anti-gay bigotry, but don’t want a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage”…

Now let’s talk about all the ways FOX NEWS got this poll wrong. It must have been those liberal, lefty, leftists who actually conducted this poll and then somehow snuck it onto Fox News website, RIGHT!!!????!!!!!!?????

Really? A show of hands from everyone who asked about a poll. Let’s see – 1 – you. So your delusion affects me not at all. Congratulations! YOu are a majority of one in your make believe world.

You do not appear to be able to discuss or debate any issues as you cannot stay on TOPIC. Again, so what? The poll I quoted is not some beauty pagent. It is also the only binding one. 0-32. Care to comment on that? Do you even know what the Bradley/Wilder Effect is? Apparently not.

So please post as many polls as you want. They are all non sequiturs. We were not talking about what OTHER people think. We were talking about your homophobic racist bigotry.

Fade back into obscurity big boy – no one cares what you have to say! But here’s an idea! I can help you build an executable file which simply responds to all posts here using your favorite 2 phrases (ad hominem and non-sequitur). Since you generally have no actual point to make besides throwing out these 2 words, wouldn’t such a simple program save you a lot of time? Perhaps give you more time for something else? Like say, exercise!?!

Anyone reading my posts can see i rarely use those 2 phrases – except in your case. Because that is all you post! And like the coward you are, you are slinking off again, without answering my challenge. Fine by me. It just shows that you are a liar, and you are a coward. And that is what everyone is seeing.

I made my points. basically they destroyed your feeble opinion. Your lack of English comprehension is not my problem.