Vice Reporter In Crimea Challenges Russian Soldiers: 'Are You Going To Shoot Me?'http://www.businessinsider.com/vice-reporter-crimea-2014-3/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:06:12 -0400Paul Szoldrahttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53227736eab8ea8e6a7bea40GbenroThu, 13 Mar 2014 23:27:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53227736eab8ea8e6a7bea40
At least, the US didn't try to annex Iraq or Afghanistan. They must have committed atrocities there, but of course, its wartime, I'm not supporting that though. Russian troops stationed in the Crimea however face a different situation. They've not being attacked per se, yet, so people should stop giving Putin kudos for anything yet. America faced a different situation in those Arab countries. These are violent jihadists who hate America's guts and attack at will.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531dea04eab8ea7f116f6929ConfusedMon, 10 Mar 2014 12:36:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531dea04eab8ea7f116f6929
Who steered up a whole country? Putin?
Where you saddened when US soldiers were killing entire families at road blocks in Iraq?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531de675eab8eafa016f692eConcernedMon, 10 Mar 2014 12:21:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531de675eab8eafa016f692e
I was so saddened to watch as the woman and her little boy tried to bring her husband , and the boys father, some food to eat. Putin should be ashamed. If some of these people want to belong to Russia, why doesn't Putin welcome them with open arms and take them into Russia? Why stir up a whole country for what was given to them in an agreement. Putin won't be happy with just the Crimea. He will soon after stir up something somewhere else, if not the whole of Ukraine. Shame on Russia!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531dccd6ecad041466932fc4ee0498Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:31:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531dccd6ecad041466932fc4
I don't know but somehow I'm being reminded of the 1936 Olympics. Host country wanted to show world that they had arrived and soon after that....bammmmm...invaded neighboring countries. Fast forward 2014, host country wanted to show the world that they had arrived and soon after that...bammmm..invaded neighboring country. Don't be surprised if they start eyeing other small countries.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d7a40eab8ea09606f692cbrighteducationMon, 10 Mar 2014 04:39:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d7a40eab8ea09606f692c
It is well known that the snipers were paid by the coup plotters at the EU and in Berlin. The Kiev regime is the REICHSKOMMISARIAT Ukraine from 1941 now back in 2014. The USA should not talk to the terrorists.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d79536bb3f7f920d6217bbrighteducationMon, 10 Mar 2014 04:35:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d79536bb3f7f920d6217b
The Kiev coup is the REICHSKOMMISARIAT Ukraine from 1941 re-imposed by the fascist EU dictator Angela Merkel. Russia must intervene to protect the Ukrainian Population before the evil EU is able to destroy democracy in Ukraine as it has destroyed democracy in the Baltic states.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d1b7c6bb3f7e957d6217aLiamSun, 09 Mar 2014 21:55:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d1b7c6bb3f7e957d6217a
Did anyone else notice that the Russian soldier's weapon is not loaded?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d0f34eab8ea7f56e7c2a8crimeSun, 09 Mar 2014 21:02:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d0f34eab8ea7f56e7c2a8
Add a comment...It a MUST
Because Crimea belongs to Ukraine territory internationally known
Russians on Crimea who like communist will come to live in Russia
People on Crimea are Ukrainians.
Thanks God please saved them and the world too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d0ed16da811417c005a80crimeSun, 09 Mar 2014 21:01:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531d0ed16da811417c005a80
Add a comment...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cec036bb3f78b32d6217bBob SmithSun, 09 Mar 2014 18:32:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cec036bb3f78b32d6217b
Too bad he didn't shoot him, the world would be a better place with out one more VICE reporter.....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cdca4eab8ea7f07e7c2b6Slick WillieSun, 09 Mar 2014 17:27:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cdca4eab8ea7f07e7c2b6
Let the lead flyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cd78b69bedd7252d42ea8CApt AmericaSun, 09 Mar 2014 17:05:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cd78b69bedd7252d42ea8
Bravo, Hail to Ostrovsky!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cd0b5ecad042770f7fe83troobleSun, 09 Mar 2014 16:36:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531cd0b5ecad042770f7fe83
....you're kidding, right? Shooting journalists? Putin will certainly sentence any loose triggers to death themselves. He has very particular plans over how he is going to take Crimea, and shooting western journalists is the last thing he wants. Those soldiers are saying 'stay away' because they're scared to death of their own generals.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531ccb77ecad040f5bf7fe8aOstrovsky is asking the exactly right questionSun, 09 Mar 2014 16:13:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531ccb77ecad040f5bf7fe8a
This is exactly the right question to sk.
It reminds me of an interview from the summer of 1989 in one of the former Communist countries, before the Russian political and military control collapse.
The reporter was asking the Minister of Interior, in charge of issuing passports to travel to the west.
The minister was bragging, how liberal the government was, by allowing the citizens to travel once every three years, instead of the previous every once every five years.
The reporter asked that how the decision was made. Who made it and how these persons know what is the right amount of the travel allowance. He was asking that what makes these people experts in deciding this? What is the basis of the decision? Why 3 years, why not 2 or 1 year? Why not every month?
The minister completely lost it, when the basis and legitimacy of their authority was questioned. The initial respond was a shock and telling the reporter that he had no right to ask questions like this. The reporter asked back: where do you have the authority from to tell me what questions I have the right to ask and what questions I don't.
At this point the minister suddenly left, saying that this interview will never be aired.
The minister was wrong, the interview was aired - the entire political system collapsed a few months later.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c90f86bb3f7720bd62178Jungle JimSun, 09 Mar 2014 12:04:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c90f86bb3f7720bd62178
In conflicts like this one, you can easily find military supply depots that will issue out weapons and equipment to paramilitary units and uniformed auxiliaries who are on their side. Think back to the mess in Kosovo a few years ago. The majority of the atrocities were not committed by regulars, but rather by uniformed paramilitaries. Once arms and ammunition go out the arsenal gate, control becomes "iffy". There was one group of paramilitaries who were called "the Scorpions" who were notorious for murdering civilian prisoners.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c8c89eab8ea3a5ae7c2b3TmacSun, 09 Mar 2014 11:45:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c8c89eab8ea3a5ae7c2b3
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As of now, the Russians have not killed one person
That's more than we can say for the Fascist puppets the US supports in the West of the countryhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c7f13ecad043259f7fe7bdot . Sun, 09 Mar 2014 10:47:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c7f13ecad043259f7fe7b
how paradoxal that he can film this tense footage in a "war zone" and yet in the US he would get beaten and arrested for that kind of talk with any US police officer...these kinds of protests Ukraine saw could never happen in the US, the police here would arrest and beat up everyone and no press would say a thing...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c770aeab8ea2518e7c2a8DiegoSun, 09 Mar 2014 10:13:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c770aeab8ea2518e7c2a8
they are NOT local paramilitaries :) - when can you buy tanks, sniper riffles, warships etchttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c76996bb3f7e82cd62178DiegoSun, 09 Mar 2014 10:11:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c76996bb3f7e82cd62178
ruSSian style.... :(http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c42096bb3f72063d6217bJACKSun, 09 Mar 2014 06:27:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c42096bb3f72063d6217b
Crimea invasion has been carried without a single shot being fired (well so far so good). Unlike the horror we have seen in Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Somalia. Putin has invented a new inspiring way to deal with some foreign matters. The so called western Democracies should meditate upon that. Hence the misunderstanding of the western journalists in Crimea.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c3af3eab8eaf932e7c2a8TmacSun, 09 Mar 2014 05:57:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c3af3eab8eaf932e7c2a8
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By "Left/Right" paradigm I meant they don't support the Beltway system of framing every single story in terms of "how will this affect the Democrats" or "how will this affect the Republicans."
Something that BI does constantlyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c32be6bb3f73447d62178jamesxxxxxxxxxxxxxSun, 09 Mar 2014 05:22:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c32be6bb3f73447d62178
VICE is far left wing.
More on the libertarian side than statist.
It says more about you if you can't see that.
And though they are doing some very good work - it's not quite journalism either, I'd describe it as 'documentarianism'.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c25c6eab8ea7238342142Marvin KatSun, 09 Mar 2014 04:26:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531c25c6eab8ea7238342142
I beg to differ. They're there, they're armed and they're Russian. But it is painfully obvious that they don't have a clue what to do and how to deal with the situation at hand, so they just end up looking stupid.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bf9ac6bb3f7f95b60aad0Roger C.Sun, 09 Mar 2014 00:18:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bf9ac6bb3f7f95b60aad0
I swear, a lot of what Vice reports is staged drama. This is one big reason I quit after the first episode. I also don't like the smug hipsters that report for them.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bf06b69beddd3271cd312ha haSat, 08 Mar 2014 23:39:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bf06b69beddd3271cd312
Some circumstantial evidence may suggest that "the sniper" was shooting both sides. We should ask - cui bono?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bed03eab8ea7b7134214aha haSat, 08 Mar 2014 23:24:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bed03eab8ea7b7134214a
If Ostrovsky would film police officer in Chicago he would be arrested in a jiffy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdd5e6da8113a2e9c6397IsolationistSat, 08 Mar 2014 22:17:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdd5e6da8113a2e9c6397
Did anyone else notice the rotary phone? Wow. Also, those buildings and the barbed wire fencing looked amazingly similar to what I saw at the old Soviet bases in East Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdc0a6bb3f7356f60aad4IsolationistSat, 08 Mar 2014 22:12:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdc0a6bb3f7356f60aad4
OUTSTANDING comment! I'd give you 10 thumbs up if I could.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdbbcecad04c30ea9ab1bIsolationistSat, 08 Mar 2014 22:10:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bdbbcecad04c30ea9ab1b
I remember it well, depression. I was stationed in the USAF in W. Berlin from 1985 to 1991. It was a great mission, and a great place to serve during the Cold War.
I agree with everything you said, with one minor exception. During the time I was there, the East Germans were the primary shooters along the Wall surrounding West Berlin, because there were no Soviet border guards. However, in East Germany proper, there were indeed people shot by the Soviets. The most famous incident I remember occurred in 1985 with US Army Major Arthur Nicholson. He was a member of the US Military Liaison Mission, on a routine inspection tour near Ludwigslust, East Germany, when he was shot by a Soviet sentry.
I agree that sooner or later one of these Russian guards will do the same thing - actually, it might have already happened in Kiev, with the sniper shootings in Independence Square!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bb94d6bb3f7e47560aacedepressionSat, 08 Mar 2014 19:43:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bb94d6bb3f7e47560aace
Wow that's just asking to be shot ....
These are Russians after all and sooner or later one of them will oblige this guy ....
Anyone Remeber when the Russians used to shoot and kill civilians who simply didn't wish to live in the German portion of Berlin?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bb91d6da8112a0d9c6397Jungle JimSat, 08 Mar 2014 19:43:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bb91d6da8112a0d9c6397
Ostrovsky is betting heavily on the control and discipline of those masked figures. He'd better be damn careful, it's a bet he can't afford to lose. If they turn out not to be Russian regular army, but rather local paramilitaries, that could go sour in a hurry, very sour indeed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531babf2eab8ea7a75342144TmacSat, 08 Mar 2014 18:46:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531babf2eab8ea7a75342144
"Vice" is an example of what real journalism can be like once you step out of the false Left / Right paradigmhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bab65eab8ea7279342142Beltway GregSat, 08 Mar 2014 18:44:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531bab65eab8ea7279342142
Mad respect to this Ostrovsky. That said, the troops be they Russian or whatever flag they serve under are highly disciplined and intensely media savvy. Good luck to all of them. The world watches and you've got to appreciate the fact that men like Simon and his camera stand between Putin and a bloodbath.