And are you forgetting how protected and better designed to withstand impact that bigger container outside the passenger cell is, compared with an unrestrained leak-prone cheap plastic box sliding around in the boot just behind the seats?

Too true.On many modern cars, the fuel tank is infront of the rear axle/beam and thus benefits from the same crumple zones that the passengers have.In the case of many 7 seaters, better protection then back seat passengers.

No I hadnt forgotten but now you are really being silly . "unrestrained ..leak prone..sliding around in the boot ..." give us a break .!!!!!!

I'm sorry you don't like someone disagreeing with you, but I don't think my comments were silly. Perhaps you have a robust restraint system for your petrol container, but almost everybody else would just plonk it in the boot as is; so yes, sliding around, and more importantly an unrestrained flying object in the event of a shunt. And as for the crappy plastic caps used on the flimsy containers bought by mere mortals, yes, leak prone. They're designed for transporting a small quantity of fuel and being stored nowhere more demanding than a garage - they're not meant to be some kind of auxiliary fuel tank.

Exactly. The was an incident near me of 3 men severely burnt when a gardeners van occupant who had been smoking out of the window threw the butt but wind blew it back in and into the back of the van where the afore mentioned plastic conrainers with bad fitting lids and machinery fuel ... exploded.

Exactly. The was an incident near me of 3 men severely burnt when a gardeners van occupant who had been smoking out of the window threw the butt but wind blew it back in and into the back of the van where the afore mentioned plastic containers with bad fitting lids and machinery fuel ... exploded.

Ha...In any scenario being discussed about it's easy enough to quote a situation to suit your point of view .

No I hadnt forgotten but now you are really being silly . "unrestrained ..leak prone..sliding around in the boot ..." give us a break .!!!!!!

I'm sorry you don't like someone disagreeing with you, but I don't think my comments were silly. Perhaps you have a robust restraint system for your petrol container, but almost everybody else would just plonk it in the boot as is; so yes, sliding around, and more importantly an unrestrained flying object in the event of a shunt. And as for the crappy plastic caps used on the flimsy containers bought by mere mortals, yes, leak prone. They're designed for transporting a small quantity of fuel and being stored nowhere more demanding than a garage - they're not meant to be some kind of auxiliary fuel tank.

I can only speak about my own car and it has a means of attaching ties so that such things can be secured so it wouldn't "slide around" or become ( in your words) an unrestrained flying object .and how do you know that almost everybody else would just plonk their container in the boot as is ....did you do a survey or did you just make that bit up.

"Crappy plastic caps". " flimsy containers" " leak prone" The green container I have is made of sturdy plastic type material and has a similarly sturdy cap which is well fitting and is not prone to leaking .

Where does it say these containers are designed for transporting a quantity of fuel to a garage and not meant to kept in a car boot ....and a seperate 5 Ltr container in the boot unconnected to the cars fuel tank is hardly an auxiliary fuel tank . Jeezo ..why am I responding to someone who talks such stuff?

If a spare can of fuel is even any good.Fuel systems have gotten ever so complicated these days; fuel pumps are designed to pump fuel. Pumping air only risks damaging them. Likewise injectors are designed to control the release of fuel, not air.And plenty of diesels require somewhat elaborate procedures to reprime/bleed should air get into the fuel line. Sometimes that's in the owners manual, but doesn't look fun at the side of the motorway...Old petrol vectra I used to have, while never having run out certainly used to notice the engine temperature start sneaking up when fuel levels got very low. And the manual had stark warnings about misfires caused by running out damaging the emissions control stuff.Not to mention the risks of handling fuel away from a filling station and the associated resources to deal with spillages and fires.So, yeah, one or two reasons not to get into the mindset of it being OK to run out as one is carrying a spare tank...

I'm sure a plastic container in the boot with no pressure venting system at all meets the same stringent requirements for fuel system integrity as that mounted OUTSIDE the car interior by manufacturers, crash integrity, time to burn through, safe venting and so on.There's a gauge on the dash, not hard. Yes I do carry fuel in my boot, from filling station back home (for the petrol mower and strimmer), risk assessment and mitigation.

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There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!

Exactly. The was an incident near me of 3 men severely burnt when a gardeners van occupant who had been smoking out of the window threw the butt but wind blew it back in and into the back of the van where the afore mentioned plastic containers with bad fitting lids and machinery fuel ... exploded.

Ha...In any scenario being discussed about it's easy enough to quote a situation to suit your point of view .

QUOTE (StuartBu @ Sat, 11 Nov 2017 - 01:00)

I can only speak about my own car and it has a means of attaching ties so that such things can be secured so it wouldn't "slide around" or become ( in your words) an unrestrained flying object . and how do you know that almost everybody else would just plonk their container in the boot as is ....did you do a survey or did you just make that bit up.

No I hadnt forgotten but now you are really being silly . "unrestrained ..leak prone..sliding around in the boot ..." give us a break .!!!!!!

I'm sorry you don't like someone disagreeing with you, but I don't think my comments were silly. Perhaps you have a robust restraint system for your petrol container, but almost everybody else would just plonk it in the boot as is; so yes, sliding around, and more importantly an unrestrained flying object in the event of a shunt. And as for the crappy plastic caps used on the flimsy containers bought by mere mortals, yes, leak prone. They're designed for transporting a small quantity of fuel and being stored nowhere more demanding than a garage - they're not meant to be some kind of auxiliary fuel tank.

I can only speak about my own car and it has a means of attaching ties so that such things can be secured so it wouldn't "slide around" or become ( in your words) an unrestrained flying object .and how do you know that almost everybody else would just plonk their container in the boot as is ....did you do a survey or did you just make that bit up.

"Crappy plastic caps". " flimsy containers" " leak prone" The green container I have is made of sturdy plastic type material and has a similarly sturdy cap which is well fitting and is not prone to leaking .

Where does it say these containers are designed for transporting a quantity of fuel to a garage and not meant to kept in a car boot ....and a seperate 5 Ltr container in the boot unconnected to the cars fuel tank is hardly an auxiliary fuel tank . Jeezo ..why am I responding to someone who talks such stuff?

I have TWO crappy plastic petrol cans from a well known brand. BOTH have split the lids. They were for garden machinery, so didn't get thrown around in the boot.I also have two Halfords cans which are older and made of much thicker plastic - no problem there.

When I was involved in the making of the Rover 200 the engine was changed from carb to fuel injection for the new model year, as the first FI cars got to the end of the assembly track none of them would start. The normal 1/2 gal of fuel put in the tank just before the end of the track was no longer enough, had to start putting a full gal in.

When I was involved in the making of the Rover 200 the engine was changed from carb to fuel injection for the new model year, as the first FI cars got to the end of the assembly track none of them would start. The normal 1/2 gal of fuel put in the tank just before the end of the track was no longer enough, had to start putting a full gal in.

Just wait until all those new fancy all-electric cars flood the motorway network and we begin to see cases of flat batteries everywhere.My pal just got rid of his Nissan Leaf because it was all too much hassle to go any reasonable distance. He confined his travel to 20 miles round trips to minimise the risk of being stranded in the middle of nowhere without any nearby recharge facility.

In the end, because of both this and other prolonged conflicts over warranty issues, it had to go.

Hmm. Would a flat battery count as a "breakdown or mechanical defect or lack of fuel, oil or water, required for the vehicle"?

Lack of thought if not downright stupidity.... every electric car I've looked at has very comprehensive range information on the dash.May not be 100% accurate but is there if the driver could be bothered to look.Don't some also go into energy saving mode if getting close to the limit?Like turning off the radio, heater, A/c ???