Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:The two dice are only rolled in the wheels with 21 results, step 4 of the consultation. This leads to the spheres page that tells you which Astrologer to turn to, and which number on the Astrologer.

Yes, but the spheres are 36 spheres, each with 42 directions (equal 1512) and the astrologers are 72, each with 22 answers: equal 1584!

I don't get your confusion. You roll the two dice to get a result in the wheel; you are directed to another one of 36 pages each with 42 new directions to 72 astrologers each with 22 answers. Obviously, there are 1512 unique answers, and 72 answers used twice.

You'd have to go through the spheres to see which they are - I haven't done that yet (do I have to?).

... ... naturally not, but a throw with two dice might have 22 possibilites ... counting the value "it didn't work" as one of the possibilities.

Fanti's book is big and complicated and written in a language, that I don't understand very good - so it's rather difficult to control, what Fanti really presented. Also I remember, that I met a similar confusion in a similar system ... don't ask me which, I don't remember.
So I assume, that it "somehow" is part of the game and not an error.

Actually the results with the throw of two dice is a sort of subsystem of the binary code 2^6, which has 22 results at "left" and 22 results at the "right" and 20 results for the "middle", whereby the 22 results of the "left" mirror the 22 at the "right", so you've actually 22 pairs and the 20 results in the middle are also 10 pairs. By this pairing process you transmute 64 units into 32 ... this mathematical scheme was used in the Sepher Yetzirah with its "32 ways of wisdom".
And the 22 pairs of "left" and "right" include 21 possibilities of the two-dice-results, but also a 22th "very dominant" element, written in binary form by the pair 111111 - 000000.

It comes to 74 (!) astrologi and to 1628 answers (= 74x22), also he refers to two alternatives, either divination according "dice rolling" (21 possibilities) or according the "hour of the question" (which would then have 24 , or, if one block of 3 hours was reduced to 1, would have 22). Perhaps these alternative methods explain the difference in the final construction of the answers.

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I counted. Indeed it are 74 (one page - Alazimini 2 is a double copy). The first "Atlante delli astrologi principe" sounds, as if it is not a "real astrolog" ... ... but then it would be 73 (which would fit somehow with 365 days for a year; 5x73 = 365). But each of the 74 units has 22 answers.

One is a an astrologa "Helisabeth Regina" ... it appears at the 50th place.

No. 6+8+10+12+14+16+18+20+22 + 28 + 40 are Sybils, totally 11 sybils

No. 6+8+10+12+14+16+18+20+22 is somehow similar to the pairing principle in the Boiardo Tarocchi poem (there are 2-4-6-8-10-12-14-16-18-20 and additionally 21 connected to women.

"22" (Tarot) + 28 (Montefeltro-system) + 40 (Minchiate) + 50 (Mantegna-Tarocchi) are system-numbers, which are known from other places.

It seems, that Fanti wished to express something with this form of sorting. "Atlante delli astrologi principe" would be a foolish element (0= Fool), 22 "Sybilla-Europa" would somehow express the function "World". Sybilla Amalthea reminds the foster-mother of Zeus. Sybilla Erithrea ... I don't know.

72 cuestion of astrologi are inaccessible. You never can read it, because you only have 36 x 42 posibilities in the spheres.

I understand now. In fact there are 63 astrologers and 11 sibyls, so 74x22 = 1628 responses.

But there are two wheels on each wheel page - one for the dice method, one for the hour method. They look identical, but I guess Fanti could have varied some of them. It would be tedious to catalogue and compare everything.

72 Rota symbols, each with 2 wheels (one with dice-results, the other with 21 hours) and each wheel leads to 21 results, and this gives, cause 2x21=42 ...

72 x 42 = 3024 (not 1512)

... so it's not necessary, that any of the 74x22=1628 astrological results stay not used. Naturally at least some of
the results would be used more than once.

But ... it seems, that after the Rota symbols anything goes to the 36 Spheres, and these have each 42 commands, which lead to the astrological answers, which actually have only 36x42 = 1512 results. Well, I understand the problem now.

It's a question, if there is anything in the rules in the beginning, which refers to the problem.

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The 72 Rotas seem to have the following order with 3 central figures, 23. Sirene, 50.Dio Damore and 72. Fortuna