Guardian Report Misses the Real Child Abuse – 2

THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE ISRAEL SECURITY AGENCY (ISA) TO THE GUARDIAN

1. The claims that Palestinian minors were subject to interrogation techniques that include beatings, prolonged periods in handcuffs, threats, kicks, verbal abuse, humiliation, isolation and prevention of sleep are utterly baseless.

2. The Israel Security Agency acts in accordance with the ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court of Justice, at the center of which stands the court ruling regarding ISA interrogations from 1999. In this context, it must be mentioned that in 2009, the Supreme Court of Justice rejected a petition that claimed that the 1999 High Court of Justice ruling regarding ISA interrogations was allegedly being violated.

3. The Israel Security Agency and its employees work solely within the law and are subject to oversight and internal and external examination, including by the State Comptroller, the State Prosecutor, the Attorney General’s Office, the Israeli Knesset and Israel’s courts at all levels, including the Supreme Court.

4. Those detained for ISA questioning receive the full rights for which they are eligible, in accordance with international treaties of which the State of Israel is a signatory and according to Israeli law, including the right to legal counsel and visits by the Red Cross.

5. The ISA categorically denies all claims with regard to the interrogation of minors. In fact, the complete opposite is true – the ISA guidelines grant minors special protections needed because of their age.

6. No one questioned, including minors being questioned, is kept alone in a cell as a punitive measure or in order to obtain a confession, etc.

7. Regarding the other claims regarding torture, humiliation, etc, it is hereby emphasized that the investigators act in accordance with the law and unequivocal guidelines which forbid such actions.

8. The claims regarding the prevention of legal counsel are also completely groundless – indeed, there are specific cases in which a meeting between a prisoner and his lawyer are not allowed, however there is legal oversight on ISA interrogations, including the issue of postponing meetings with lawyers, including the possibility of filing a petition with the Supreme Court in Israel. It should be mentioned that a fundamental petition that was filed in this regard with the High Court of Justice in 2009 was withdrawn by the petitioners after a discussion in the Supreme Court.

One has to be there, has to have studied all the information -then make a rational judgment.

The tone of your argument is that you have already made up your mind without the knowledge-
Here, though a little of topic is a piece of information to attempt you to see more clear.

Israel continues to help Palestinians despite politics
Despite political tensions that at times threaten to boil over, cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians in the field of medicine continues to advance. Nearly 115,000 Palestinian patients were treated at Israeli hospitals in 2011, and over 100 Palestinian doctors interned at Israeli hospitals. “Every year more patients are sent to Israeli hospitals,” said Civil Administration Health Coordinator, Mrs. Dalia Bassa.

“We hope to train Palestinian doctors and improve Palestinian medicine, strengthening cooperation. Health is a separate issue, Israeli and Palestinian doctors are friends, making medicine a bridge for peace.”

In related news, the IDF reported on Friday that during the month of December, 4,373 trucks carrying 139,678 tons of goods including food, medicine, construction material, clothing and other goods entered the Gaza Strip from Israel through the Kerem Shalom crossing.

So maybe you might not or might believe this- Somewhere down the line someone is telling the truth or how will anyone ever know whats going on.

You seem to have ignored every word I wrote and are intentionally misinterpreting my message. Not much different than the Israeli media and law enforcement agencies.

First of all, you conclude that I haven’t seen anything up-close and personal and have made uneducated conclusions. Let me apprise you of the fact that I just spent eight weeks in Israel and got to travel around different parts of the country and witness many things in person including police brutality and media bias.

I don’t argue the fact that Israel does much in the way of humanitarian aid to benefit the very Arab neighbors who seek the destruction of Jews. I contend that law enforcement and the Israeli news media “lies”. They blatantly lie about facts and occurrences, selectively edit news even though they record the truth, to give the viewer a dishonest and politically leftist slant. Which is why they are untrustworthy and unreliable. While the Israeli government does commendable and humanitarian work they also commit atrocious injustices that they then obfuscate and lie about.

I have no doubt about the cruelty and physical abuse to citizens and even young children, by the brutish and often violent police of the Mishtara. I have seen it first hand. Then they lie about it even when there is incontrovertible evidence to the abuse. Humanitarian aid to “Palestinians” does not wipe away this crime of abuse nor does it make it right. When Israelis are wrong they are just that, wrong.

Now to my point. I know about the lies, hatred, antisemitism and vociferousness of the Arabs and the criminal United Nations among the many other anti-Israel groups. They manufacture blood-libels against Jews in general and Israel in particular at every opportunity. This is what they do. They rip the world off for billions of dollars in aid and use the money to manufacture lies and inaccuracies about anything related to Jews and Israel. What I am saying is simply this. You don’t like being lied about. You don’t like the facts being twisted into misleading news (example: the Turkish flotilla, the Goldstone Report) and negative publicity. When Israeli law enforcement and media begin to act responsibly and truthfully about “everything”, including their own wrong doings against their own religious citizens, they can then regain the credibility they want. Unfortunately, my experience has taught me that Israeli law enforcers are violent and dishonest. So is much of the Israeli media. Therefore, I am inclined to believe this story of abuse against this Arab child. I have witnessed this done to religious Jews so it is not farfetched for them to commit this very same crime against an Arab child.

Why should I believe even one word the Israelis have to say? I feel they are lying,at least to some degree. The very same Israeli government and media who distort the religious Jews by maligning them in every which way including staged and doctored footage that they propagandize to foment hatred against them. The excessive and discriminate violence and brutality used by law enforcement against the religious at every opportunity with false pretense.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot they yell and scream of the “injustice” done to them by outside media sources. I don’t buy it for one minute. When the “Israeli” media and law enforcement begin to report and treat Jews with honesty and respect then we can possibly, begin to take their word, that they are treating Islamic children according to treaties and international law. Until that time, we have to believe that they treat Arab children at least as despicably as they do the Jews.