Social Question

Is there a "gay agenda"?

As I’m “trollin’ the internetz”, I see a lot of conservative rhetoric about a gay agenda. Apparently the gays are in our face, trying to force it on our kids in school by teaching them about it, having parades, and wanting their own month.

What do you think? Is there any legitimate concern about the tactics used by people advocating gay rights, or is it more nonsense?

42 Answers

Meh, no not really… other than the agenda to get themselves equal rights.

More than not people who are anti-homosexual are A: Simply trying to save themselves the hassle of talking to their children about something awkward or B: Simply using their children as an excuse to perpetrate their dislike of homosexuals.

I wouldn’t worry though, homosexuality is a non-issue to people in their mid 20’s on down. Equal rights and acceptance has overwhelming support there, and as the super old people who are weighting the anti-homosexual movement die… the issue will go away… Just like civil rights, prohibition, not working on Sundays, etc, etc ,etc…

Certain people feel like they know right and wrong absolutely. They often wish to change the world a little bit so that everyone will conform to their ways of thinking about the appropriate range of behavior. They make efforts to enforce their feelings on the world through various means, ranging from snide remarks of disapproval to overt acts of violence.

They also assume everyone else is exactly like them inside. They wish to make everyone straight, so they assume gay people wish to make everyone gay.

Any actions by gay persons to assert themselves will be seen as part of a sophisticated conspiracy to remake the world into a gay only club. Any time a gay person speaks, they will interpret it as propaganda meant to bring about this end.

I don’t care if they have an agenda. I don’t think they do but I will say that hanging out with a gay dude for the evening pretty much guaranties a lot of fun. And I am straight, I just like to get drunk and dance and gay people do that well.

Probably not an “agenda” in the usual way we think about things. It’s more likely that it’s simply people who are tired of being discriminated against because of sexual preference, and who want to be accepted as human beings.

Yes. Here’s the mission statement of just one of many groups who advocate for the LGBTQ community.

Mission of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Foundation
The mission of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is to build the grassroots power of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community. We do this by training activists, equipping state and local organizations with the skills needed to organize broad-based campaigns to defeat anti-LGBT referenda and advance pro-LGBT legislation, and building the organizational capacity of our movement. Our Policy Institute, the movement’s premier think tank, provides research and policy analysis to support the struggle for complete equality and to counter right-wing lies. As part of a broader social justice movement, we work to create a nation that respects the diversity of human expression and identity and creates opportunity for all.

What is negative @ucme? I’m confused why you seem to dismiss the information and the organization, @Simone_De_Beauvoir. I mean, of course you have every right, as does anyone, to say an organization doesn’t represent you. I wasn’t posting it say it represents anyone or everyone. Just posted it to say, yes, there are agendas. But what is so negative about this organization?

Just a word or two about gays and christians. God calls us to love our “neighbors.” That includes gays. If, as I believe, God doesn’t make junk, then there is a reason why some people are gay ( I don’t want to get into the “choice” issues, since I believe that most, if not all gays are born that way ). I know from having seen it at various points in my life, that gays are often bullied and discriminated against. Why? There is little enough of peace and love in this sad, tired, old world that when we have the opportunity to show forth God’s love to others, including gay others, we must do so. To do otherwise is contrary to God’s wishes.

@bkcunningham They’re pretty assimilationist in what they want. They may say one thing but what they focus on is normalizing non-straights and making them seem ‘normal’ so that straights would ‘really accept us’. Not interested.

I didn’t read it that way. But I certainly see how it could be taken that way, @Simone_De_Beauvoir. I hope I didn’t offend you or anyone else. I’m still a work in progress in this world and still learning. It wasn’t posted to be offensive, just informational.

@bkcunningham I’m not dismissing anything, not at all. Simply saying i’ve never personally faced any such behaviour or methods. All the gay people I know are chilled out individuals & are perfectly relaxed about their sexuality.

The gay community, in and of itself, does not have an “agenda”. Some members of the gay community do. I see it frequently when said members “proselytize” for their cause.

It’s just like any other cause or “agenda”. Most of the members act perfectly decent and go about normal avenues to showcase their causes and beliefs, but you always have a few who go too far and stir up hornet’s nests on purpose to get the attention they crave.

But is there a “gay agenda” in general? Nah. At least, not other than fighting to have the same rights as non-gays, which is perfectly natural!

To me it’s nonsense
Reminds me of this thing…Harry Potter books. The author once confirmed on an interview or wtv that Albus Dumbldore is a homosexual. This may have been slightly hinted at in the last books, but it was never confirmed. I read the books two years ago, and I forget the name of the wizard that Albus was involved with, and the whole thing was some backdrop story and had nothing to do with relationships or sexual orientation. But Rowling used that backstory when she said her character was gay.

I told that to somebody once, and they said that those books exist to brainwash kids. (I didn’t ask him what he meant, and I didn’t give a shit) I can’t believe we live in societies where some people think stuff like that. It’s so ridiculous sounding to me.
If we think that gays have an agenda because they have festivals and shit, we might as well think that goths are actually vampires who want to take over the world, or that women meant to turn every man into their slave when they finally were allowed to vote.

Okay, really bad and illegitimate example with the goth thing, but eh.

People who have an agenda, accuse others of having one. Most of us don’t think that way. These people think something of which they don’t approve should be maligned and forbidden to exist. It doesn’t mean that their accusations are true, but, because they believe, they can cause others to believe a certain way, they think other people think that way too. We need to defend against that kind of thinking. “I deem this or_that_ should not exist. Therefore I will use any means, including untruths, propaganda, name calling, whatever, to discredit them.” If the rest of us refuse to accept these attacks, things will change. And I’m happy to hear @Tedd say “homosexuality is a non-issue to people in their mid 20’s on down” I believe that it is true.

@syz Gays are no longer content to be gay, they don’t celebrate the difference and they want to be straight. They want to join the military; they want to get married and they even want children. It seems that they don’t want to be gay any more.

@flutherother I think gay people have always wanted those things, and have always done those things (legally or not). Gay people are just… people. They want the same things everyone else does: Love and respect.

@flutherother“they don’t celebrate the difference and they want to be straight It seems that they don’t want to be gay any more”.

How does wanting the same rights as everyone else “no longer content to be gay”? How does wanting to serve your country by joining the military “no longer content to be gay”? How is wanting to have kids “no longer content to be gay”?

I understand what @flutherother meant. I think it goes along with my thinking on how mainstream gays and lesbians just want to be mainstream. That which is queer about them needs to be wiped away and they can assimilate and approximate the straight life as much as possible. Let’s all be married and adopt and have a house and 2 cars and be consumerist and ignore trans people, and those into BDSM.

What I was trying to say was what @Simone_De_Beauvoir understood me to say. When gays push for equal rights they mean they want the same rights as everyone else, that is the straight and mainstream majority. They want gays to have the right to live the same way as everyone else rather than the right to live as gays. It is a push for conformity. They want to deny everything that makes them different, everything that the word ‘gay’ once meant. I’m not gay myself, and I may have got this wrong but that’s the way it appears to me.

We’re fighting against each other, the people in the ‘gay’ community, in the need to be accepted.

I’m one of the people who appears to be snubbed, because I don’t even conform to how the ‘main gays’ want all of us to act, because frankly, I really don’t care. People say I’m not really gay, because I act too feminine to be gay. It makes me laugh.

It seems like theres a huge standard on being gay. If you’re gay, you either have to want kids, want marriage, want the same boring life that every other person has or seems to have OR you’re a sexual deviant, who dresses in women’s clothing, gets AIDs, has sex with numerous faceless people, partakes in…well I’m sure you get where I’m going with that.

Theres no middle grey area in the minds of most people. Which really, that is the double standard the gay community set itself up for.