Work on that, Artor. That’s the kind of thing that’s understandable—we all have those tendencies—but that’s embarrassing to put out there in the way you did. It comes off as you positing that it’s reasonable or even endearing of you. It isn’t.

You’re right, Qwints. But using the present tense, “I try not to” doesn’t really communicate regret or deconstructing. It communicates, “I’m OK with that and you should be too.” Perhaps it was just unartfully worded.

Odd. If the movement is primarily about promoting equality across sex and gender, the only people they’d have good reason to exclude would be sexis-

… oooohhhh. Yeah, I can see why Glenn would feel excluded.

But the word “feminist” has gotten such a hawwrible reputation from modern feminists and like I said it’s exclusionary.

Lemmie guess: she doesn’t name a single example? [pops open the video] YEP, called it. I was also struck by how often she called it exclusionary; things don’t become more real through repetition. As for transgender exclusion, we’ve got that covered, thanks.

So stop the nonsense, stop saying patriarchy for every damn thing, and stop making everything about you [with a forceful gesture].

Yeah, because it’s so selfish to be concerned about basic human rights and systematic inequality.

Feminism probably would be exclusionary if the inequalities and hostilities the movement sought to rectify were eliminated. Based on a quick read of the FtB headlines, I’m guessing that will be awhile.

It’s not insightful, it’s not interesting, and yet this person is perceived as representing a serious and novel viewpoint. People, such as Ophelia Benson, who have already heard and swiftly done away with these arguments on nearly countless occasions, are now supposed to use their precious time in addressing these facile points yet again??? What a freaking bore.

She even included the “feminists think all heterosexual sex is rape” trope. An oldie but a goodie. I’m surprised she didn’t mention “Newton’s rape manual”. But, I’m sure that’s for another video. She strikes me as yet another “reasonable” activist, defined as any activist that criticizes other activists using their opponents talking points. Because she’s one of the good ones. Maybe she’ll get a cookie.

I believe it was the reaction to Rebecca Watson’s video that revealed the insidious power of the patriarchy. It demonstrated that there were a lot of men who believed women should be unquestioningly grateful to any attention paid to them by men, no matter how creepily the men behaved, because apparently women supposed to be mind readers and immediately recognize whether a man’s intentions are innocent or not. The fact that so many men flew into a nigh homicidal rage at the suggestion that they modify their behavior to allay the fears of women, who already face a terrifyingly high rate of violence from men, was a chillingly perfect illustration of the patriarchy at work.

fwtbc: Yep, that was it for me too. “Well maybe I just read different feminists,” I thought as she got started. “Maybe Skepchick and Freethoughblogs and Jezebel aren’t really representative of modern feminism.” “Maybe I’ve been living in a bubble,” I thought, “I should do some wider reading and see if maybe…”

Elevator. Cup of coffee. “Patriarchy!!”

Nope. That’s all the proof I need that her feminism needs to stay far from sparks or open flame.

And I told my FB friends who posted the link approvingly. Should be a good shitsorm there when I get back.

I just don’t fucking understand. Every time a new atheist pops up on YouTube, I get excited! Possibly over nostalgia at the days of YouTube Atheist Yore, when we were laughing at creationists and bonding over the far reach of religion into the public sphere.

And then they go and pull this shit. I’ve had to drop The Peach, as well, and I really thought she’d be better. I wanted Jaclyn to be better. I was so hoping…

Of course she makes an elevator reference. After all, she has the attention of the Mighty Dawk now, and there’s no better way to get on his Saturnalia cards list than to take passive-agressive jabs at Rebecca Watson.

Well the term in a way is, it suggest that the movement focuses on women’s rights over men’s and actually the movement is very focused on women’s rights, for an example misogyny is one of the most used subjects here.

Does her social status invalidate her claims? Feminism does blame patriarchy/misogyny on allot of stuff, often ignoring context.

Also the elevator story is frankly ridiculous if asking someone for coffee because you find them interesting is the bar for sexism then the only way to not be sexist is seems is to avoid any contact with people at all…