Once the idiot got the gun going again, and facing someone who has not even DRAWN yet. Hmmm… Shoot himself or the guy who made eye contact with him. Yeah, I’d be scared, too. Details seem to still escape you.

Well, since you were evidently an eyewitness, why don’t you tell us just how it all went down? Maybe you can explain why you didn’t see the shooter retreating from where he was confronted to the staircase where he ended up shooting himself? Maybe you can explain why, as an eyewitness, you missed Meli actually drawing his gun but refraining from shooting since he didn’t have a clear backstop? Finally, you can explain why *you* didn’t take care of things all by your bad self, what with being there to be able to describe it all – since you’re able to talk so much crap about Meli’s actions, I’m sure that a little thing like innocent bystanders in your line of fire wouldn’t affect a hero like YOU at all.

Once the idiot got the gun going again, and facing someone who has not even DRAWN yet. Hmmm… Shoot himself or the guy who made eye contact with him. Yeah, I’d be scared, too. Details seem to still escape you.

And all of this on some guy’s say so, for some reason everyone seems to avoid, where was this CCW on the day of shooting? The day after?

You mean the jammed gun that was used by the idiot to shoot himself? Yeah, let’s call it a miracle.

I was *completely* unaware that once a gun jammed, it was jammed forever- thanks for pointing that out for all of us.

Instead of eliminating a threat to the shooter. I know CCW size 9mm are GREAT guns, most of them, and yet if my .223 NATO works I will DEFINITELY take my chances against your 9mm in ANY size. Or ANY other handgun, for that matter.

Ok – I choose a coat closet for the venue. You’re at sling arms and I’m concealed carrying IWB.

Back to you for the next oversimplified statement about efficacy.

There is something not right with both of these shootings, IMO. The idiot in OR shot himself with an almost a full clip still available and the gun WORKING (how else does one take his life with that same gun?). The idiot in CT shot himself while wearing a BULLET PROOF VEST, which one presumably wears to SAVE one’s life, not to take it.

“Blaze of glory” syndrome – they want people to *remember* them, and they can’t do that if they get taken out *too* early.

Most of these sorts of crime seem to happen when the twentysomeyearold discovers that he has schizophrenia and can look forward to a long life as a crazy person, not a doctor or fireman or Indian chief. Has anyone noticed that we didn’t have nearly this many shootings prior to the late sixties when we radically changed our attitude towards the mentally ill, and started putting them all out on the street?

claudius on December 17, 2012 at 9:21 AM

We are actually CREATING mentally ill, from the young age, these days. With our medical community fully complicit and willing to lead the drive. Kids are on medications from the early age, why have school district and teachers deal with a child if one can feed that child a pill that subdues him for the entire day and makes him a drone? Easy way out and no need to teach that child anything about ethics, responsibility and what’s right. Main reason doctors and school districts came up with a new and fashionable ADD crap, anything a child does at that point is then easily “explained”. And yet, many families and then schools ignore teaching DISCIPLE to kids and let them what they want any time they want.

In a “ONLY ME” society one should not expect any other results than the ones we saw in CO, OR, AZ and CT. And plenty of other smaller examples across the land on daily basis. And the only treatment should be teaching DISCIPLINE and ETHICS in home and school, from early age.

I think the point you’re missing is that for someone carrying out a shooting like this, the whole point is to go out in a “blaze of glory” so that your name is immortalized (even if negatively). The bullet proof vest is not to save their life, but to prolong it so that they can take more lives. Once they reach the point where the end is eminent, many will choose to take their own so that they can’t be captured and see justice before the law. In their minds, its all about being in control… even in the ending of their own life.

dominigan on December 17, 2012 at 9:17 AM

COMMITTING SUICIDE is NOT going out in a “blaze of glory” by any means. Sorry you guys keep missing this very KEY and important FACT.

]]>By: DanManhttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579986
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:43:13 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579986I refused to watch media accounts of Newtown this weekend. I do note many headlines from our reliably liberal east coast cabal are bleating about more gun control. Same old same old.
]]>By: claudiushttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579557
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:21:58 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579557Most of these sorts of crime seem to happen when the twentysomeyearold discovers that he has schizophrenia and can look forward to a long life as a crazy person, not a doctor or fireman or Indian chief. Has anyone noticed that we didn’t have nearly this many shootings prior to the late sixties when we radically changed our attitude towards the mentally ill, and started putting them all out on the street?
]]>By: dominiganhttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579548
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:17:35 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579548

There is something not right with both of these shootings, IMO. The idiot in OR shot himself with an almost a full clip still available and the gun WORKING (how else does one take his life with that same gun?). The idiot in CT shot himself while wearing a BULLET PROOF VEST, which one presumably wears to SAVE one’s life, not to take it

riddick on December 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I think the point you’re missing is that for someone carrying out a shooting like this, the whole point is to go out in a “blaze of glory” so that your name is immortalized (even if negatively). The bullet proof vest is not to save their life, but to prolong it so that they can take more lives. Once they reach the point where the end is eminent, many will choose to take their own so that they can’t be captured and see justice before the law. In their minds, its all about being in control… even in the ending of their own life.

]]>By: Redglenhttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579452
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:21:41 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579452This guy was crazy. Does anybody notice that these mass shootings happen where other people aren’t allowed to have guns? Like Aurora?
Waht about the failure of main-streaming this kid in school? What about the breakdown of his family? All these talking heads have broken families and support main-streaming that’s why it will never be discussed.
]]>By: APACHEWHOKNOWShttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579423
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:08:53 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579423First thing regarding this Obama.

Come to U.S. with clean hands.

Tell the truth on Fast and Furious and Bengazie.

Answer our questions on why all these young men who kill of late are all viloent game players prior to the shootings.

Then tell us why not so many back when the draft got young men into a place where they learned disipline, respect for fire arms as well as the safe use thereof.

In our common sense view you and your msm, viloent movies and vido games , together with the no one should be graded on results or punished for bad behavior.

And yes, a CCW gun (most likely a short barrel 9mm at best) versus an AR15 .223 NATO, I know who wins this confrontation, wouldn’t even be a contest. I call BS.

riddick on December 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

But the mere known presence of an armed defense changes a situation immensely. Instead of roaming about at will, taking life, suddenly the deranged killer faces the prospect of failure. Of consequences.

Most people will take cover when shot at. And in crazy people, the threat of being caught alive seems to often lead them to commit suicide, which at least ends their killing spree.

]]>By: claudiushttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6579099
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:46:22 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6579099Did anyone go to the range today? For me if it’s Sunday it’s time for shooting. I took my AR out today, trying it out at 50-100 yards. My rifle is a South Carolina built Palmetto, with a Geissele SSA trigger and an Eotech 512. There’s got to be maybe millions “assault” rifles in circulation. The Feds can’t stop it at this point. Hacks like Feinstein and Schumer only make people paranoid so they’ll buy more guns and ammo. At some point they might be a threat, but they’re just old ambulance chasers by profession.

Within accuracy limit range of the 9mm, why not? Especially if, as reported, the AR had jammed?

mnealtx on December 16, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You mean the jammed gun that was used by the idiot to shoot himself? Yeah, let’s call it a miracle. Instead of eliminating a threat to the shooter. I know CCW size 9mm are GREAT guns, most of them, and yet if my .223 NATO works I will DEFINITELY take my chances against your 9mm in ANY size. Or ANY other handgun, for that matter.

There is something not right with both of these shootings, IMO. The idiot in OR shot himself with an almost a full clip still available and the gun WORKING (how else does one take his life with that same gun?). The idiot in CT shot himself while wearing a BULLET PROOF VEST, which one presumably wears to SAVE one’s life, not to take it. While cops capture a man right next to school in the woods wearing fatigues, “just taking a stroll” as he explained. And let him go without taking any forensic evidence (hand swabs for gun powder residue as anyone with half a brain should have done. And yes, they had enough cause to force the issue).

Something is just not right and VERY SUSPECT with these acts happening at an ever increasing rate with both liberals and news media (sorry, same thing really) ready to go with “ban guns” BS in a ready made reaction. Feinstein has been working on “gun ban law” for the past year as she just indicated. WHY? Based on WHAT? And the more resistant we are to these attempts to limit Second Amendment the more frequent and more gruesome the attacks get.

Feinstein wants to ban guns? She should start with her own stupid state, Kalifornian Khaliphate, where MOST gun related crimes are committed with ILLEGALY obtained guns. Oakland anyone? Compton? Drive bys and all.

Also, I really want someone to compile statistics of this past year’s massacres and list OPENLY political party affiliations of the shooters. I DARE the liberals and news media to list even one CONSERVATIVE gun owner committing these CRAVEN acts, only LIBERALS are so craven to shoot small kids who cannot offer any resistance. COWARDS, in more ways than one.

And then ask Feinstein if she can explain why is it that EACH AND EVERY massacre that took place in the past year, AT THE SAME TIME SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON HER LAW, was committed by a LIBERAL.

AND the fresh report of a CCW holder drawing on / confronting the Portland mall shooter last week. He was apparently the impetus for that shooter killing himself. Which they all seem to do when challenged.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Sorry, I don’t buy this one. Way too late and way too opportunistic on his part. Where was he the day this happened, interview wise?

And yes, a CCW gun (most likely a short barrel 9mm at best) versus an AR15 .223 NATO, I know who wins this confrontation, wouldn’t even be a contest. I call BS.

Volokh’s list ought to include the Univ TX Austin tower shooter, 1966, who was taken under fire by several citizens, including a professor firing a hunting rifle out his campus office window, and where a ‘civilian’ joined the cops in rushing Whitman at the top of the tower.

rayra on December 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

As well as Giffords shooting in AZ more recently, it was ONLY due to a bystander with CCW who stopped the idiot. Not cops, who ALWAYS arrive way too late.

]]>By: rayrahttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6578533
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:06:54 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6578533AND the fresh report of a CCW holder drawing on / confronting the Portland mall shooter last week. He was apparently the impetus for that shooter killing himself. Which they all seem to do when challenged.
]]>By: rayrahttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6578529
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:05:57 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6578529Volokh’s list ought to include the Univ TX Austin tower shooter, 1966, who was taken under fire by several citizens, including a professor firing a hunting rifle out his campus office window, and where a ‘civilian’ joined the cops in rushing Whitman at the top of the tower.
]]>By: Good Solid B-Plushttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6578502
Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:40:04 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6578502

Indiana man arrested with 47 guns [which he owned for self defense] after threats to local school – Von. I. Meyer reportedly said he would kill “as many people as he could” [for self defense of course]

Uh, yeah, and your point would be? The system worked. We nabbed him because we actually paid attention to the threat *he* posed, instead of just focusing on grabbing all guns. That’s how things are supposed to be done.

]]>By: amrhttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/open-thread-sunday-morning-talking-heads-52/comment-page-4/#comment-6578421
Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:33:00 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=234865#comment-6578421The Newtown, Connecticut school shooting has re ignited the gun control issue. There has been continuous coverage of the this tragedy; now into its 3 day. On 12/11 a man killed two people at the Clackamas Town Center in Portland, Oregon a
nd a person with a CCW permit, 22-year-old Nick Meli, pulled out his firearm, confronted the man and the killer committed suicide; no shots were fired by Mr. Meli. The mall owners do not allow citizens to carry on its property. We will never know how many would have been killed had Mr. Meli not been armed. None of the MSM reports I viewed even mention what Mr. Meli did. To my knowledge, the media has not presented this hero to the American citizenry. Why is that?http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen?amp%3Bno_cache=1355643931

10 years after citizens were disarmed in Great Britain, there are still firearm associated killings, rapes, assaults. But decent people have no way to stop them. Of course, the government wonks will always have their own protection. So in the end, banning guns leads us back to feudalism: the few elites control the arms, resources, and political power; the rest of humanity lives in fear for their lives from both the criminals on the streets and those running the country.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1