blankman wrote:Exactly. Comparing the two is a huge insult to Gary Sheffield's toughness. He had offseason surgery to repair the injuries and even if they are lingering (which I don't believe they are) and he's still putting up these numbers it really doesn't matter. He put up huge numbers last season with some horrible injuries and that didn't effect his production.

As a fantasy player he is not unpredictable which is ALL that matters in fantasy baseball. What he says doesn't have any effect on his numbers, which is unique, but thats who Gary Sheffield is. He's one of the few that is motivated and plays better when everything around him is in disorder. He thrives on chaos and when there isn't any, he just creates it for himself. And he does all of this, while posting numbers (all that matter in fantasy) that are far from unpredictable.

Believe it or not, Gary Sheffield is my favourite player on the Yankees.

all im trying to say is hes early second. I can't put him first rounder. He had a great season last year, and likely was not taken first round in a lot of leagues. I dont think his season thios year is up to par so why put him in the first.

Subject to change obviously. I would not pick any pitcher in the first round and would be relunctant to do so in the second.

1. ARod - in a class by himself at 3b...gives him the edge over Pujols.
2. Pujols
3. Vlad
4. Tejada
5. Abreu - you can debate it all you want, man's SBs put him in the first round
6. MCab
7. Manny
8. Soriano - 2b elig shoots him into the first round, but he is hardly one of those sure thing first rounders as we saw what happened in 2004.
9. Ortiz
10. Tex
11. Sheff
12. Crawford

-D. Lee is likely going to go somewhere around late first/early second.
- A. Jones...round 2 or 3.
-Beltran...would not touch him in the first 90 barring a tremendous 2nd half.
-Santana...round 2 somewhere
-Carpenter...round 2 somewhere...beware him being 06's Schmidt.
-RJ, Bonds...fall like bricks in the rankings.
-Pedro...round 2 or 3.

TheYanks04 wrote:Subject to change obviously. I would not pick any pitcher in the first round and would be relunctant to do so in the second.

1. ARod - in a class by himself at 3b...gives him the edge over Pujols.2. Pujols3. Vlad4. Tejada5. Abreu - you can debate it all you want, man's SBs put him in the first round6. MCab7. Manny8. Soriano - 2b elig shoots him into the first round, but he is hardly one of those sure thing first rounders as we saw what happened in 2004.9. Ortiz 10. Tex11. Sheff12. Crawford

-D. Lee is likely going to go somewhere around late first/early second. - A. Jones...round 2 or 3.-Beltran...would not touch him in the first 90 barring a tremendous 2nd half.-Santana...round 2 somewhere-Carpenter...round 2 somewhere...beware him being 06's Schmidt.-RJ, Bonds...fall like bricks in the rankings.-Pedro...round 2 or 3.

The_Met_Threat wrote:all im trying to say is hes early second. I can't put him first rounder. He had a great season last year, and likely was not taken first round in a lot of leagues. I dont think his season thios year is up to par so why put him in the first.

Now you're changing what you said earlier because you argument was that he's unpredictable. I'll just leave it at that though.

The_Met_Threat wrote:all im trying to say is hes early second. I can't put him first rounder. He had a great season last year, and likely was not taken first round in a lot of leagues. I dont think his season thios year is up to par so why put him in the first.

According to yahoo, his average pick last year was the start of the third round, which is crazy. Juan Pierre, ARam, and Beltre were selected before him, which, again, is nuts. So, I agree he was not a first rounder last year, but that merely shows that people did not understand his value. He was deserving of a high second round pick.

So, you think his season is not up to par?
His BA is 15 points higher
He already has 2 more SBs
He's on track for 34 HRs (-2), 106 runs (-11) and 126 RBIs (+5).

This year he ranks 10th among hitters, 17th overall.
Last year he ranked 13th among hitters, 21st overall

Somebody who is "early second round" is a borderline first rounder.. And, he certainly deserves a lot more consideration than he was getting from most in this thread.

The_Met_Threat wrote:Sheff missed 8 games last season. I think hes missed 3 this season. Plz project a little more accurately. Or move sheffs season last year back up to full.

You really are reaching for it, now, aren't you? Take it from me, a simple, "I guess I was wrong" is a lot easier and more honest.

You've already gone from basically dissing the entire idea to admitting that he's worthy of an early second round pick, so you've already conceded the case, even though you keep trying to avoid admitting that.

So now, you are telling me that because Sheff is on track to miss fewer games this year, we should rank him lower? That makes no sense.

You can project lots of different ways and the difference between missing 8 games and the 4-5 games he's on track to miss this year simply does not matter. He's on track to hit for a higher average, steal more bases, and get about the same HR, RBIs, and Rs. You can try to dance around those numbers all you want, but it's clear he's on par with what he did last year.