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Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by JayB72

First of all, mainelobster, a belated thanks for understanding. I thought I could let it go but then I came across this:

I don't want to take away from your joy over the analogy and I know you meant no harm by it, Críostóir but I actually find it offensive. I don't think what "ordinary (gay) people" do, for example, is a "stunt" and my relationships haven't been either. This is exactly the message that's the problem - saying we can "trust" these guys because they're professionals (which has been proven false, as there have been many scares in the industry), but if you do it in a relationship, it's "dangerous" and "like a stunt" that you should leave to "professionals", not the trust of a relationship. So I'm sorry if it's negative to say that I think the analogy breaks down, but to me it breaks down in very troubling ways. Yes there are risks in relationships and trusting your partner -- but when SC started barebacking and directly said no gay person should do this even in a long-term relationship where you have trust, that's where it gets extremely problematic for me.

A couple of other points: It is false to say only porn companies can afford rapid HIV testing. In many major cities around the country, such as New York, you can go and get your results back that afternoon. For FREE. Many people have access to clinics like this all over the world.

Second, if you think these guys are under tight control and careful testing, think again. Porn companies have been caught "trusting" their employees to go to a center to get tested, rather than controlling it in house. When all of these guys are not on a compound with on-site testing (assuming that happens), rapid HIV testing is not a perfect solution. If you actually bother to get tested, you know tests can have errors and they rightly still advise safe-sex. Why? Take, for example, Marshall now that his escorting is so public, don't you wonder if SC actually knew it? Or if the films released were in the can when we found out and now he might not come back? SC has no compound, and I have serious doubts that they have on site specialists for the "stunt sex" they're having.

But the bottom line is, these analogies and distinctions that are being made invariably end up with the argument that sex even in a relationship is dangerous, but porn companies are somehow trustworthy, so they can have the "hotter" sex and everyone else is expected to use condoms even in relationships. That is messed up.

And P.S. It will be interesting to see which guys don't come back because they choose not to take a risk in porn. Apparently they don't all think it's safe with the "professionals" and it takes repeated requests with guys like Brodie to get them to do it. SC has always had a high turnover of guys who do solos and never return, but when you think guys like Erik, Sheldon, Gareth, Gavin, Daniel and Sawyer, to name a recent few could be back doing condom-sex but otherwise are out because it's bareback or nothing, it's not just sad for consumers, it tells you that they're not as convinced as everyone that the porn companies are safer than relationships.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by JayB72

So far SC has thrown some decent new guys into the mix, but I fear we've lost a lot because of the new policy, and CF's "recruiting" has been more misses than hits.

Are there any condom-sex studios or sites you can point out that're using all the hot guys SC and CF (and CM and BA, for good measure) are missing due to the barebacking? B/c I figure if these hot dudes are so keen on making gay porn, they wouldn't just drop out of the biz altogether b/c a few sites and studios insist on barebacking (or else). I think they'd likely shop themselves around to other sites and studios, wouldn't they? I sure would if I wanted to make gay porn but wanted to use rubbers. I wouldn't just take my balls and go home b/c SC and CF insisted on barebacking.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

I figured ir wopuldn't take very long for guys like Chrisonoir and Jupiter Street others to hijack this thread with their holier-than-thou diatribes about BB vs Condom sex. Let's get back to discussions about the vids and the guys, and leave this other stuff for the pulpit. Make your own thread guys!

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by ChaseO310

I figured ir wopuldn't take very long for guys like Chrisonoir and Jupiter Street others to hijack this thread with their holier-than-thou diatribes about BB vs Condom sex. Let's get back to discussions about the vids and the guys, and leave this other stuff for the pulpit. Make your own thread guys!

I don't think I was doing that, if you meant me. But I'm not interested in continuing that conversation here, so I support your call for discussions of the vids and guys.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Okay, whoever is posts the scene write-ups on Sean Cody must be set on sabotage. Yet again the actual name of a model has been revealed. In this week's update of Pierce and Dalton, it is revealed that Dalton's actual name is Randal. Here is the text:

I’m not sure that Pierce was prepared for someone like Dalton!

“I think he is going to be a lot to handle!” Pierce said with a little giggle as we were walking down the beach.

“Why do you say that?”

“I don’t know... I guess I’ve just never seen a guy this excited,” he said. “Usually I’m the hyper one, running around bouncing off the walls!”

It was true. Randal was very excited. It was almost as if, for him, everything was too much to process.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by JayB72

First of all, mainelobster, a belated thanks for understanding. I thought I could let it go but then I came across this:

I don't want to take away from your joy over the analogy and I know you meant no harm by it, Críostóir but I actually find it offensive. I don't think what "ordinary (gay) people" do, for example, is a "stunt" and my relationships haven't been either. This is exactly the message that's the problem - saying we can "trust" these guys because they're professionals (which has been proven false, as there have been many scares in the industry), but if you do it in a relationship, it's "dangerous" and "like a stunt" that you should leave to "professionals", not the trust of a relationship. So I'm sorry if it's negative to say that I think the analogy breaks down, but to me it breaks down in very troubling ways. Yes there are risks in relationships and trusting your partner -- but when SC started barebacking and directly said no gay person should do this even in a long-term relationship where you have trust, that's where it gets extremely problematic for me.

A couple of other points: It is false to say only porn companies can afford rapid HIV testing. In many major cities around the country, such as New York, you can go and get your results back that afternoon. For FREE. Many people have access to clinics like this all over the world.

Second, if you think these guys are under tight control and careful testing, think again. Porn companies have been caught "trusting" their employees to go to a center to get tested, rather than controlling it in house. When all of these guys are not on a compound with on-site testing (assuming that happens), rapid HIV testing is not a perfect solution. If you actually bother to get tested, you know tests can have errors and they rightly still advise safe-sex. Why? Take, for example, Marshall now that his escorting is so public, don't you wonder if SC actually knew it? Or if the films released were in the can when we found out and now he might not come back? SC has no compound, and I have serious doubts that they have on site specialists for the "stunt sex" they're having.

But the bottom line is, these analogies and distinctions that are being made invariably end up with the argument that sex even in a relationship is dangerous, but porn companies are somehow trustworthy, so they can have the "hotter" sex and everyone else is expected to use condoms even in relationships. That is messed up.

And P.S. It will be interesting to see which guys don't come back because they choose not to take a risk in porn. Apparently they don't all think it's safe with the "professionals" and it takes repeated requests with guys like Brodie to get them to do it. SC has always had a high turnover of guys who do solos and never return, but when you think guys like Erik, Sheldon, Gareth, Gavin, Daniel and Sawyer, to name a recent few could be back doing condom-sex but otherwise are out because it's bareback or nothing, it's not just sad for consumers, it tells you that they're not as convinced as everyone that the porn companies are safer than relationships.

Just asking since you've mentioned personal info about the SC guys: do you remember the name of the gay porn blog that had tons of info on the dudes from SC, RB, CF, etc? I've been trying to find it again for months without any luck. They're used to be a link for it on QMN's Blogroll but it's not there anymore (I literally clicked on every on of 'em). It was a really cool blog and they had news and pix that I didn't even see on MOP. For example, they had a photo of SC's Dane with his daughter on the Jersey Shore (looked like it was taken at the Aquarium in Point Pleasant). If you guys remember the name of the blog, by all means post it. Thanks a lot! {ETA: I sent QMN an e-mail asking about it but got no reply)

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

I don't think any studio can be too blasé about testing. After all it's their existence and it's best to avoid any unnecessary complications. To paraphrase, it's their arse on the line and they do not want a cockup. Or maybe they do But it still seems like a lottery for the models. I just read too often like some models do porn to finance their drug addiction. What else are they willing to do for the next hit? Do they still care for anybody else?

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Why do they continue to write the blurbs as if Sean Cody himself wrote them? I don't think he's been involved with the site for several years now, and he hasn't personally conducted the interviews/filming in like 6-7 years.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

He probably has inside information so he knows that a scene with the two of them has been filmed.

Any other inside info would be appreciated! PM me if anyone else does too lol

Gotcha. I don't mind spoilers of upcoming scenes but it's the personal pix and info that floor me. I'm not sure if it's someone from the studio posting inside info or bloggers are just good at Googling. I don't care if the models are straight or whatever; it's just a lot of fun to see pix of them with their friends, families, kids, on their college campus, etc. So, yep, if you've got the 411 (or even links to a blog), by all means, PM me, too. Thanks!

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by Jupiter Street

I need to correct myself. When I said Marshall and Joshua have worked together, I was thinking of Marshall and Brandon (who has worked with Joshua). Sorry, my bad

No prob. The only reason I was skeptical was that there was "talk" on other msg bds (as well as blogs) that Marshall had left SC. I don't know for sure (you know how online speculation goes) but that's what been put out there.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

I hope so too. While he may or may not have been doing porn/escorting to fund his addition, it did appear that he genuinely enjoyed himself during his scenes. So maybe he'll be back/has already returned. *fingers crossed*

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

I do hope that the news about Marshall getting into rehab isn't true. Hope he eventually emerges from his problems very soon.

I too want to known this/these blog/s. For my weekly dose of porn news, I click on m enofporn, q ueermenow, thesword, and gayfleshbot.

I read all of those, too, and I'm cracking up because JUB does block those names whenever we mention them in our posts.

Originally Posted by carolinadude

I hope so too. While he may or may not have been doing porn/escorting to fund his addition, it did appear that he genuinely enjoyed himself during his scenes. So maybe he'll be back/has already returned. *fingers crossed*

Marshall was awesome in his scenes. He really gave it his all and, yep, he definitely looked like "he genuinely enjoyed himself". I hope he comes back because he's one of SC's reliable guys.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Peter, Calvin & Joshua is soooo good. I like it when Peter took turns fucking Joshua and Calvin, Calvin couldn't stop gently kissing Joshua. And I love it when Calvin and Joshua finger-fucked Peter and almost made him cum (so I guess Peter will probably bottom very soon?)

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by freeloveisnotfree

Peter, Calvin & Joshua is soooo good. I like it when Peter took turns fucking Joshua and Calvin, Calvin couldn't stop gently kissing Joshua. And I love it when Calvin and Joshua finger-fucked Peter and almost made him cum (so I guess Peter will probably bottom very soon?)

Nice gif. What I really enjoyed about this trio was that the guys were having such a good time (and that they were completely into each other). It seems like SC's set is very easygoing, which in turn makes the guys fully relaxed when they go to shoot (no pun...). I'm sure Joshua is hoping to get Calvin all to himself next time. You heard it here first! heh-heh-heh Also, here's hoping that Dane will be back. Soon.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Ooh, Calvin is back, I am looking forward to this. ^^^ I agree, for me too an easy going and relaxed atmosphere is a big part of the SC charm. As a comparison I saw a couple of Rocco Reed's latest videos and in all of them he does not relax, he probably feels a pressure to perform and it's not fun.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by That70sJoe

Nice gif. What I really enjoyed about this trio was that the guys were having such a good time (and that they were completely into each other). It seems like SC's set is very easygoing, which in turn makes the guys fully relaxed when they go to shoot (no pun...). I'm sure Joshua is hoping to get Calvin all to himself next time. You heard it here first! heh-heh-heh Also, here's hoping that Dane will be back. Soon.

This goes very much against what has been reported by several out gay SC models a few years back. One in particular recalls having been treated poorly, forced to act "less gay", his scene partner (Fuller) appeared to be completely disconnected and he started to ache from all the positions, which apparently didn't bother the cameramen as all they needed where the right shots and angles. In the end, he wasn't too keen on going back nor did SC ever bothered to calling him back.

Maybe their direction or attitude has changed but it makes me wonder whether they treat some models differently - for whatever personal or professional reason. Maybe you can only have a good time on a gay porn set if you can pass as completely straight, because then it can't get too personal...?

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by Singularity

This goes very much against what has been reported by several out gay SC models a few years back. One in particular recalls having been treated poorly, forced to act "less gay", his scene partner (Fuller) appeared to be completely disconnected and he started to ache from all the positions, which apparently didn't bother the cameramen as all they needed where the right shots and angles. In the end, he wasn't too keen on going back nor did SC ever bothered to calling him back.

Maybe their direction or attitude has changed but it makes me wonder whether they treat some models differently - for whatever personal or professional reason. Maybe you can only have a good time on a gay porn set if you can pass as completely straight, because then it can't get too personal...?

I wasn't an SC subscriber back then so I have no point of reference. I'm not surprised if some are asked to tone down their gayness because it's obvious on every gay porn site i.e. when these clearly gay guys are forced to act dude-ish and it comes across laughable to the viewers. IMHO, these off-camera SC moments have a chill vibe that doesn't seem forced. These guys aren't actors so you can't fake, for example, the kind of BTS fun that Calvin, Joshua and Peter were having.

I've always been of the opinion that these sites would hire 'un-butch' gay guys merely for affirmative action reasons i.e. they think these submissive bottoms would appeal to their subscribers (or at least to a faction of their website's members).

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Personally I find this butch vs camp thing silly, but if they are still pushing their models to act straight it's only because they know/think it will sell better. So blame their customers, SC only try to stay competitive.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by freeloveisnotfree

Peter, Calvin & Joshua is soooo good. I like it when Peter took turns fucking Joshua and Calvin, Calvin couldn't stop gently kissing Joshua. And I love it when Calvin and Joshua finger-fucked Peter and almost made him cum (so I guess Peter will probably bottom very soon?)

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

Originally Posted by MisterN

Personally I find this butch vs camp thing silly, but if they are still pushing their models to act straight it's only because they know/think it will sell better. So blame their customers, SC only try to stay competitive.

I get your point but I hold the studios responsible, too, because they often try to think for the viewers instead of letting us formulate our own opinions. This frequent ploy of toning down one's gayness often reeks of homophobia.

Re: Sean Cody Update - 2012

FUCKING. AWESOME. I don't even know where to begin because I love almost every angle. Even though the cuts were split abruptly from time to time, I could live with it since it sort of gave me a chance to catch my breath. Thank you Sean Cody.