Here I sit shivering on my garage, with my shiney new RM32ai, my trusted Asus Win10 laptop, the Presonus-included Studio One-3, my UC Surface setup with all the band's channel inputs, trying to accomplish that which I perceived as so simple...to trap a practice session and/or a subsequent live gig and be able to use it for soundchecking (it's really hard to hold the iPad in one hand, my harmonica and mic in the other, one unshod foot awkwardly attempting to set the controls in UC Surface while hopping about the floor of the house looking for the sonic sweet spot).... It took me a while just to get the inputs to show up in SO3, got that working, but I can't seem to get the signals out to the same channels for a virtual soundcheck. Am I missing something obvious?Maybe it's just that such a robust, Swiss-Army-Knife-esque software tool like SO3 is simply unsimple enough to be more than I need; to a point of utter confusion... alas, the follicles of my forehead cannot bear up to much more of this abuse... So I just downloaded Waves Tracks Live, is seems so much simpler, and states that a virtual SC is just a click away... Oh should my audio eden be just ahead? Have any of you used the virtual soundcheck feature? is it to return on the same channels in the RM32 or do I need to land it on other channels?I know Karyn will know the errors of my ways... You rock Karyn

Have you used the Audinate dante control program to setup your routing between the mixer and DVS? Make sure to setup the routing both into and out of the mixer and the DVS.

In studioone I usually use the studiolive32 preset template. This will setup studioone to record from your 32 channels on your mixer (plus a not neede main mix). When you press playback the audiotrack will return to the same channels as it recieved them from. TracksLive will do this for you from the start.

So in essence, if you have configured the dante controller properly you return the audio to the same channel that it was received from. You also need to enable the digital input on your mixer to switch between your analog inputs and dante.

There is nothing more simple and useful as Capture, the program from PreSonus, which also has come with your RM32AI. You can also download it for free from the download page. But obviously Capture and Smaart need a FireWire connection and AVB is no alternative, so recording and playing back over network is only possible by Dante.

wahlerstudios wroteThere is nothing more simple and useful as Capture, the program from PreSonus, which also has come with your RM32AI. You can also download it for free from the download page. But obviously Capture and Smaart need a FireWire connection and AVB is no alternative, so recording and playing back over network is only possible by Dante.

People has asked presonus about a dante compatible capture for as long as the studiolive-mk2 came out with the dante card.

I wonder why presonus doesn't sell an unlocked version of capture instead. I think that many people would buy such a thing. Hey, even I would!

Nothing is "simple", when it comes to networking. There are lots of little details you need to know before you do anything.

The networking setup for a simple dante network is quite plug&play. Dante allow you to do a direct connection without using any switch or router. You don't even need dhcp since dante is built with APIPA in mind so no network setup is required.

I think that you confuse the dante controller with the dante virtual soundcard (DVS). Since the OP already seems to be able to record I can only assume that he's already obtained a license for it.

In essence one only need to open the dante controller application and tick the routing matrix boxes, quite similar to the studioone routing matrix.

roblof wroteHave you used the Audinate dante control program to setup your routing between the mixer and DVS? Make sure to setup the routing both into and out of the mixer and the DVS.

---> Yes, I have the Audinate Control running, also compared VSC against Via, just for grins. Have the transmitters from the RM32 ch. 1-16 (channel limitation in windows ) going to StudioOne 1-16, and Studio one as transmitters back to 1-16 on the RM.

In studioone I usually use the studiolive32 preset template. This will setup studioone to record from your 32 channels on your mixer (plus a not neede main mix). When you press playback the audiotrack will return to the same channels as it recieved them from. TracksLive will do this for you from the start.

--->I haven't tried that preset, but will. In SO, I took note of input/output assigns which the ins looked just like Dante Control, channel for channel aligned, but the outs were just a stereo pair to ch 1/2. I deleted those and added 16 new mono outs but they showed up as "sub 1-16".

So in essence, if you have configured the dante controller properly you return the audio to the same channel that it was received from. ---> That's what I'm hoping for...You also need to enable the digital input on your mixer to switch between your analog inputs and dante.

--->So, if I understand you correctly, I need to go into UC Surface and switch the input sources to network for all the channels before it will play back? Although it does make sense (an incredible amount of sense, actually ), it will be a RPITA to do that every time I want to review the sources... I'm working with seven musicians, instruments for all and VOX for 6; plus, for a live trap, I intend to use a M/S setup to catch the audience ambience. Is there a way to automate this action or a "macro" or tool to toggle all channels at once? I will assume this will be needed in TracksLive as well...

Sub-1..16 is ok. It is just label names and if you double-click them you can just rename them to whatever you want. This is the label that will show up in the s1 mixer window when selecting an input or output.

On a console switching between network and local is a simple swipe with your finger across the panel. I'll let someone else point out any shortcut in UC.

Capture automatically switches the mixer from local to digital but I don't think that s1 have this same feature.

But it sounds like you're finally up and running at least.

kevinmathews wrote

roblof wroteHave you used the Audinate dante control program to setup your routing between the mixer and DVS? Make sure to setup the routing both into and out of the mixer and the DVS.

---> Yes, I have the Audinate Control running, also compared VSC against Via, just for grins. Have the transmitters from the RM32 ch. 1-16 (channel limitation in windows ) going to StudioOne 1-16, and Studio one as transmitters back to 1-16 on the RM.

In studioone I usually use the studiolive32 preset template. This will setup studioone to record from your 32 channels on your mixer (plus a not neede main mix). When you press playback the audiotrack will return to the same channels as it recieved them from. TracksLive will do this for you from the start.

--->I haven't tried that preset, but will. In SO, I took note of input/output assigns which the ins looked just like Dante Control, channel for channel aligned, but the outs were just a stereo pair to ch 1/2. I deleted those and added 16 new mono outs but they showed up as "sub 1-16".

So in essence, if you have configured the dante controller properly you return the audio to the same channel that it was received from. ---> That's what I'm hoping for...You also need to enable the digital input on your mixer to switch between your analog inputs and dante.

--->So, if I understand you correctly, I need to go into UC Surface and switch the input sources to network for all the channels before it will play back? Although it does make sense (an incredible amount of sense, actually ), it will be a RPITA to do that every time I want to review the sources... I'm working with seven musicians, instruments for all and VOX for 6; plus, for a live trap, I intend to use a M/S setup to catch the audience ambience. Is there a way to automate this action or a "macro" or tool to toggle all channels at once? I will assume this will be needed in TracksLive as well...

Indeed, the source matrix in UC Surface is of importance. You need to select Network as input for each channel, but you can do it in one matrix for all channels. Just click through all the channels you are working with and that's it...! There are no "buttons" or something like the consoles have, so this feature is a replacement for the "swiping".

Just for me silly AVB user: Is a router and therefore a switch needed if I want remote control? If the "one and only" ethernet port of the RM32AI is connected to the computer, how will an iPad or iPhone receive its signals...?

By the way: With Capture and FireWire you don't need to care about channel names. Name and rename them anywhere and anytime in the network, all devices in the network will follow immediately. This is one of the meanings of "AI" (Active Integration).

wahlerstudios wroteJust for me silly AVB user: Is a router and therefore a switch needed if I want remote control? If the "one and only" ethernet port of the RM32AI is connected to the computer, how will an iPad or iPhone receive its signals....

Unlike the avb implementation in the series-2 mixers dante networking does not require a switch or router for a simple 2-device setup. In reality I'd avoid using a router and stay with using switches for simple audio networking like this.

Dante cards in general usually comes with a 2-port ethernet that can be configured as a switch or network redundancy. I was recently told that presonus has disabled the switching capability of the two ports. I have no way to confirm this myself so I'm in a bit of a void here as how the two ethernet ports actually operates.

As as I have understood it, wireless control using any wireless device is still possible by the use of an usb-wifi dongle connected to the mixers usb port and because dante operates outside of uc-network. However, this may or may not be optimal for the end user.

If you need to use some external wifi access point then we have a different scenario altogether of course, but it has nothing to do with dante in itself. To be hardcore you could actually configure the computer to become an wifi access point if you really wanted to get away from using routers/switches, but even the hardcore nerd in me have to admit that being a stretch

wahlerstudios wroteJust for me silly AVB user: Is a router and therefore a switch needed if I want remote control? If the "one and only" ethernet port of the RM32AI is connected to the computer, how will an iPad or iPhone receive its signals....

Unlike the avb implementation in the series-2 mixers dante networking does not require a switch or router for a simple 2-device setup. In reality I'd avoid using a router and stay with using switches for simple audio networking like this.

Dante cards in general usually comes with a 2-port ethernet that can be configured as a switch or network redundancy. I was recently told that presonus has disabled the switching capability of the two ports. I have no way to confirm this myself so I'm in a bit of a void here as how the two ethernet ports actually operates.

As as I have understood it, wireless control using any wireless device is still possible by the use of an usb-wifi dongle connected to the mixers usb port and because dante operates outside of uc-network. However, this may or may not be optimal for the end user.

If you need to use some external wifi access point then we have a different scenario altogether of course, but it has nothing to do with dante in itself. To be hardcore you could actually configure the computer to become an wifi access point if you really wanted to get away from using routers/switches, but even the hardcore nerd in me have to admit that being a stretch

In all of my plodding through these forums, somewhere I saw that when the Dante card is installed and firmware updated to match, the USB port on the mixer is prohibited from being used for the WiFi dongle any longer. Just a firmware update port and a convenient low-power charging port. I never have understood why they couldn't have used it for channel recording... they have it available to the SD card in the series III units now...

wahlerstudios wroteThere is nothing more simple and useful as Capture, the program from PreSonus, which also has come with your RM32AI. You can also download it for free from the download page. But obviously Capture and Smaart need a FireWire connection and AVB is no alternative, so recording and playing back over network is only possible by Dante.

Hope this helps. If you happen to know what FireWire is and if your computer still has one of those historic connectors, I would give FireWire and Capture and Smaart a try...

Whenever I so much as mention FIreWire, all I get are cross-eyed looks from the nerd herd... The only machines can find so equipped are old relics on eBay and the add-on cards for a build-up are not divulging whose chipset they are using; a necessary piece of data according to Presonus

I've never heard about this before. If it is true then it is just crazy...

kevinmathews wroteIn all of my plodding through these forums, somewhere I saw that when the Dante card is installed and firmware updated to match, the USB port on the mixer is prohibited from being used for the WiFi dongle any longer. Just a firmware update port and a convenient low-power charging port.

kevinmathews wroteWhenever I so much as mention FIreWire, all I get are cross-eyed looks from the nerd herd... The only machines can find so equipped are old relics on eBay and the add-on cards for a build-up are not divulging whose chipset they are using; a necessary piece of data according to Presonus

The AI speaker series disables the USB WiFi dongle if a Dante card is fitted, this is a definite.It would be logical for the same to happen in the consoles and RM but I don't know if that has been implemented or not. There is no reason why you would have the WiFi dongle plugged in if you're using Dante, at best it could confuse UC Surface having two network address to the same mixer, at worse it could cause everything to fail with conflicting data.

You do not need a switch or router for basic network connection between Console/RM and a computer. Just ensure the network options in both are set to "Self Assigned" and they will connect.

A quick tip for switching to digital inputs for Virtual Sound Check.

At some point when you have a spare 2 minutes... Set all inputs to network, save a new scene called "Network". Create another scene with all inputs set to analogue called "Analogue"

Whenever you want to do a Virtual Sound Check... On the Scenes page, set the recall filter to only load "Assigns", Load the "Network" scene. When you're done, load the "Analogue" scene.

A lot has been considered and explained in this thread, but one question is still not answered: How do you get an iPad involved...?! And I would like to add one more question: How would you get a CS18AI involved? Wireless? Wired?

First off, I knew you would have insight Karyn! After seeing many of your posts regarding Dante it was clear that you were a go-to source!As for the iPad, I use it for UC Surface so I can set sound in the house, also keep it in my mic stand for those unexpected moments... I am running the Dante network through a Netgear WNDR3100 gigabit router with integrated AP. It's quite configurable; I have QOS prioritizing dante clock, then audio data, which are naturally on ethernet. The Wi-Fi is only for UC surface and mixcontrol (which is currently not being implemented).

Depending on your choice of WiFi router you may, or may not, require a network switch as well... For simplicity I’ll assume you have a switch.

Rule 1) Dante does NOT like EEE (green power saving) in switches. Ensure yours does not have it, or that it can be turned off.

Connect everything to the switch. Dante does not work over WiFi.As the CS18 does not do Dante it is for control only. So if you want to use the dongle and connect with WiFi then you can, but I recomend a cable connection to the switch. Leave the WiFi for the iPads. All other dongles should be removed.

Turn on WiFi router, let it boot, then turn on everything else. This isn’t the post to go into the details of networking, there are plenty of posts about it. Suffice to say that if every device is set to DHCP then it should all work.

At this point you should have full UC connection between laptop and RM and also CS and RM. Moving a fader in UC on the laptop should move the corresponding fader on the CS. Simply, you should have full control of the RM from Laptop, CS18 and any connected iPads.

Run Dante VSC on the laptop. Set the chanel count to 64x64 and latency to 4ms. ENABLE IT.Run Dante Controller on the laptop.Create a 1 to 1 link between RM Input Transmitters 1-32 and laptop receivers 1-32.Create a 1 to 1 link between Laptop Transmitter 1-32 and RM Receivers 1-32.You only need to do this once. The Dante chip in the RM and VSC will remember these assignments and automatically reconnect every time the system is switched on.

Load StudioOne. In Audio setup select Dante VSC as the audio interface. Load AI32 console or RM32 template and all the In/Out routing will be setup for you automatically.

Do what every you usually do to enable DAW control from the CS18 if required.

I’ve left a lot of specific detail out which is readily available elsewhere, but those are the basic steps to setup a system from scratch to fully working.

Thanks again Karyn, all good info and quite accurate. I especially like the all caps on ENABLE IT! That little start button has tripped me up more than once! Since I also experimented with Dante Via, it is also helpful to know that only ONE dante device can be enabled at a time; either VSC or Via .

But what you’re describing as a Gigabit switch with integrated AP should work perfectly fine (as long as the AP can provide DHCP services)

A note about QoS. Gigabit networking is plenty fast enough for 99% of us to never worry about QoS with the networks we’re using. If you’re on a big corporate network with lots of other traffic or your entire network is based on 100MBit then QoS becomes important to ensure timely arrival of Dante packets to prevent audio dropouts. But for almost all of us (including me) it can basically be ignored.

Other things, however, should not be. The main one is IGMP snooping which should be turned ON in the switch.