Jews leaving unsafe France

Yael Haccoun and her family are Orthodox Jews from the working-class Paris suburb of Sarcelles, but they flew to Israel in late September to start a new life and escape the anti-Semitism around them.

“French people think that it’s natural when Jews are targeted” in terror attacks, said Haccoun, 33, as she waited with her husband and their three children here at the airport. “The fact that the army must protect Jewish schools and synagogues isn’t normal.”

She said her family watched in horror in July 2014 as a demonstration protesting Israel’s war with Hamas turned into an anti-Semitic rampage. Dozens of young men chanting “God is great” in Arabic and “death to the Jews” attacked Jewish-owned businesses with clubs and fire bombs.

Brings back memories of the 1930s.

The number of French Jews immigrating to Israel rose from 1,900 in 2011 to nearly 8,000 last year, said Jacques Canet, president of La Victoire, the great synagogue of Paris. He said the country’s 500,000 to 600,000 French Jews — the third largest Jewish population in the world — “feel threatened.”

“Increasingly, Jews in Paris, Marseilles, Toulouse, Sarcelles feel they can’t safely wear a kippah (yarmulke, or skull cap) outside their homes or send their children to public schools, where Muslim children bully Jewish children,” Canet said.

How sad. No child is born hating other children. They are taught it by their parents.

A poll by the French Institute of Public Opinion in January showed 43% of France’s Jewish Community are considering a move to Israel, and 51% said they have “been threatened” because they are Jewish.

Icarus

No idea what you are babbling about. Lots of people have been persecuted through out history and the present day. The only thing special about Jews is how they are the only “persecuted” people who appear to thrive !

And for the record, I do not mistreat any race, religion, culture etc. That is more likely to happen with people like you who bark on command to these propaganda pieces.

Icarus

You need to realise that Opposition to the Jews did not begin in Germany in 1933 but dates back before the birth of Christ over 2,000 years ago!

Study the hundreds of statements made by “The world’s greatest men.” They reveal why the “wandering Jews” have made enemies out of every host country that ever accepted them. Here is a selection of a few of them:

“The Jews have practiced usury since the time of Moses, and oppressed the other peoples. Meanwhile, the Christians were only rarely usurers, falling into disgrace when they did so. We ought to ban the Jews from commerce because they abuse it … The evils of the Jews do not stem from individuals but from the fundamental nature of this people.” – Napoleon Bonaparte

“The Jews remain what they have been at all times: an elite people, self-confident and domineering.” – Charles De Gaulle

“Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race. The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous — cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity.” – Voltaire

“The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish influence throughout the world.” – General George Van Horn Mosely

“A careful study of anti-Semitism prejudice and accusations might be of great value to many Jews, who do not adequately realize the irritations they inflict.” – H.G. Wells

“On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted.” – Richard Wagner

” The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.” – Winston Churchill

“I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.

In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal” – Ben Franklin

“The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers.” – Cicero

Icarus

Meanwhile millions of Muslims are leaving their native homelands to go to Europe because they are “unsafe” from attack by the USA and the rebel groups the USA supports in order to destroy those countries Israel does not like.

The Jews are heading to the Arab lands as the Muslims are leaving them. Funny that…

altiora

As for Marxist revoluntionaries, the main people responsible were the awful know-it-all middle class aka chardonnay socialists.

As for the “Jewish problem”, you evidence a plain lack of understanding of history. Jews were forced into money-lending and metal dealing early on. That was due to Christians (like Muslims currently) traditionally not being allowed to commit the sin of ursury. Jews were forbidden from entering any other trade or guild. That made them the target of pogroms — no one likes paying interest and people forclosing on debts are never popular especially when those people are by popular narrative guilty of killing the Messiah and using Christian babies’blood for rituals that mock the Mass. Every time there was an outbreak of disease, the usual remedy was to go slaughter some Jews.

Of course, with the advent of empire building and modern capitalism, the Jews with their financing skills found the tables turned. They now had de facto power. But rather than accept that it was due to Christian europe’s stupid religious dogmatism, europeans started conceptualising the sudden power and wealth of Jews as indicative of a “Jewish problem”.

So given that environment, it is no wonder that the Jews have been suspicious of outsiders and trusting of only each other.

I do love the characterisation of “the Jew” as this evil rich figure. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the typical living conditions of your ordinary Jew in eastern Europe, the Baltic and Russia by the time Hitler arrived. They pretty much lived in utter destitution. It was these people who ended up in the gas chambers.

Or else you can just return to reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or Mein Kampf.

CharlieBrown

Today, you don’t understand the world. You are not a free man. You do not know how to connect up the information in your current purview, so you are connecting it up and seeing a non-real image.

It would be a good starting point to ask searching questions when you encounter somebody like myself or Icarus here. We all began in darkness, with attitudes – often held with great conviction – prescribed for us by the Other. The journey to a fuller understanding is a work of several years. It isn’t “anti-semitic”. It doesn’t focus on any single causal factor. It is a moral bath and an enlightenment, and I commend it to you.

(((EAD)))
You are a deluded whacko who reads crap websites and believes such nonsense.
We are still waiting for the global financial collapse you so confidently predicted over a year ago from reading your wingnut sources .
They led you up the garden path then and they are still doing so today.

Icarus

(((Griff)))
You are a deluded whacko who reads crap websites and believes such nonsense.
We are still waiting for the global climate collapse you so confidently predicted over a year ago from reading your wingnut sources .
They led you up the garden path then and they are still doing so today.

Having had a good look at all these Kiwibloggers pearls of wisdom, it turns we’re completely wrong about everything.

It turns out that Israel, and Jews across the world, are poor, downtrodden, innocent victims of constant harassment, violence and racism. Completely changed my world view.

The ground has shifted beneath my feet, but at least I can sleep soundly, knowing that all central banks, MSM outlets and globalist organisations are being run by honest, capable, albeit victimised and unfairly downtrodden experts.

Icarus

eandlbufe

Why was Icarus quote hidden as low comment. Lets be bold and not hide these comments. Antisemitism is racism but it seems here in the west the word Islamophobia is called racism and I don’t think its racism if someone is trying to kill me, I call that a phobia just the way bees affect me. The only problem I have with
Islamophobia is I don’t have an antihistamine tablet for that.

eandlbufe

Just carry on blaming the Jews, they are one of the smallest minorities in the world so there is justification into bulling them. Those are the shadows of Adolf’s Mein Kampf all over again by just another socialist racist.

Icarus

eandlbufe

Africa is not a homeland or in anyway a homogenized society. They are a conglomerate of chieftains kingdoms and some forms of democracy. The laws and values of each district, chieftain, kingdom or country could and are sometimes polar apart. So don’t go kidding yourself about any expectations of happy excursions to the continent of Africa. It is and was always the most exiting but the emphasis is on the the exiting.

Odakyu-sen

You may not recognize Auckland because you have a point of comparison (the Auckland of your youth). Your children will not know the difference. To them, Auckland will be a place of many faces and cultures. This will be their “normality.”

fernglas

eandlbufe

They will have a home to go to and someone that will will help them to protect themselves against the Muslim hoards and lets not kid ourselves about those hoards they have been doing it for the past 1400 years. I don’t believe Israel will ever succumb to those barbaric Jihadists and their sponsors.

CharlieBrown

These examples of Muslim hate towards jews is why Israel now has a right to exist. Let’s be honest, Israel should never have been formed in the 1940’s in Palestine, but now after the expulsion from Muslim states and the hatred many Muslims have for jews in thier original homeland’s Israeli jews have no other home to go to.

Odakyu-sen

One must draw a distinction between ultra orthodox Jews and secular Jews. The former do not socialize outside their sect, are highly visible, and refuse to modernize. This behaviour makes them an easy, soft target.

CharlieBrown

Good point, but in the fact that people living in thier home land in western Europe are having to hide thier religion else become targets is disgraceful. The moment when most citizens fear for thier safety because of Muslims we will see them take to arms and fix the problem themselves which will have mosques burning and Muslim men murdered. We are far from that in nz but France is getting closer, all because thier politicians refuse to even talk about it, instead label any talk that mentions Muslim immigration, or Muslim violence as racist nonsense.

Odakyu-sen

I suspect that no main-stream politician wants to “bell the Muslim cat” (to reference that delightful English children’s fable).
At the point where civil unrest breaks out, the politicians will be forced to act. This they will do readily because “they now have no choice.” Once this happens, the plot will develop very, very quickly.
Muslims in Europe are outnumbered and do not control critical infrastructure and resources of the State. They have no idea what Europeans are capable of when cornered.

Inandout

It began in Germany with attacks on orthodox Jews, then Jewish businesses, and finally those with Jewish heritage. The downside for France of course is that their economy will eventually suffer from the exodus of brains; doctors, university staff, IT developers etc. Israel will benefit in the long run, and this is where the imbecilic knuckle dragging Muslims in France (brown shirts?) wouldn’t even realise the flow on effect. The Arab hordes surrounding Israel now are shit scared of stirring the lion again, and getting their arses well and truly whipped by superior technology and steely determination. With even more top flight brains flooding into Israel we can only speculate on what clever technology the Arabs will be faced with.

The United States of America is Israel’s big brother and really loves us. Israel does not have and apparently will not have another friend like it. According to a recent Congress report, Israel is the country that has received more cumulative American aid than any other country since the end of World War II.

Since it began in 1962, American military aid to Israel has amounted to nearly $100 billion. For the past decades the United States has been regularly transferring aid of about $3 billion annually. In recent years, the aid has been solely for defense purposes. Additionally, the U.S. has been giving Israel generous military aid for projects that are important both to it and to Israel

To any rational person, Israel are the world’s biggest parasites living off the back of the poor US taxpayer.

(Not to mention the poor Germans still paying out to millions of so called “holocaust” “survivors”)

eandlbufe

Like the Christian Amish they are always picked on. Why can’t people leave them alone so they can live their own lives. They don’t ask for assistance or hand outs so i would rather be having them as a neighbor than a lot of deadbeats I have had in the past.

UrbanNeocolonialist

Warren Murray

For many years I have watched with concern as Israel builds more settlements in the west bank, or even expropriates Palestinian land in Israel itself. I am disturbed when people who have what appears to be clear title to their land, or, at least have hitherto been occupying their land / house for sometimes generations are forcibly evicted, their trees ripped out, etc so more houses can be occupied by Jews. The back story is that these settlements are built by hardliner Jews, etc who feed the resentment and conflict with Palestinians.

The flip side, is stories like this one, where emigration is driven by quite understandable security fears which creates demand for settlements in Israel.

G152

Inandout

It stems from envy, and many NZ socialists are experts at it. This why Muslims are befriended by the Left slime because the latter can see ‘birds of a feather’. But there is little honour among thieves as the saying goes, and leftards will eventually get their heads lopped off.

Jack5

Economical the NAZI party is slightly socialist.
But socially they are far right .
Hence we have are resident national socialist (((EAD))) being as far to the right as our former member redbaiter . When Redtwit run away crying from here he endorsed (((EAD))) as his anointed disciple to continue on with extremist far right rhetoric

Lance

CharlieBrown

Economically the Nazis were left of centre, similar to the national party. Socially they were neither left or right, they were violent sociopaths. If you consider right wing as being libertarian, giving full freedom to individuals then there isn’t much further from right wing than the Nazis. The more power you give the state the closer you are to the Nazis.

Economical the NAZI party is slightly socialist.
But socially they are far right .

You do understand that is why for instance so many of our conservatives were supporting Colons “socialist” Conservative party.
The Conservatives economic policy was to retaining government ownership of businesses … No more asset sales .
That is socialism .
But their social policy was Conservative no gay marriage,, pro life ,tough on crime etc which is considered a right wing (USA) position.
At the far end of the social right spectrum you get the sort of blind nationalism and race identity that defined the Nazis party and is evident in Trumps platform and the sort of nonsense redbaiter was always pushing.

stephieboy

Jack5

If the folk who were pushing for New Zealand to open its doors to the Muslim tide a year or two back had had their way, Jewish people might be leaving this country, too.

We remember Rachel Smalley (of NZ women are lardo’s notoriety), but there must have been some close to the National hierarchy who led to the early backdown of a prescient John Key, who initially said NZ would not expand its refugee intake.

Perhaps Matthew Hooton was one of those close to National who advocated opening the doors. As I recall him saying on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme, as a younger man he had visited Syria after going to the site of the Gallipoli landings. He had found the Syrian people hospitable.

Does Matthew have that much influence on National, or is he only Labour’s annointed spokesman of the political centre-right?

stephieboy

Jack 5 , there is no one as far as I’m aware who is advocating open doors “to the Muslim tide ” whenever. Only in terms of a humanitarian gesture which is becoming even more urgent and compelling as the tragedy in Aleppo continues to unfold .

tom hunter

The article looks at Jews leaving France, but the reasons given are not the proximate causes such as increased anti-jew attacks, but something far more fundamental, and as a result, far more frightening. First a little touch of history:

In 1905, a law on the separation of church and state relegated religion to a purely private sphere of life. The law aimed at achieving three goals: enforcing the religious neutrality of the state, protecting the free exercise of religion, and breaking the connection between public power and the Catholic Church. It became the backbone of French secularism (laïcité).

Despite this there were accommodations made for the little, every-day things of religious life; kosher meals for army draftees, two extra days off every year for Jewish civil servants, and so forth. Everything rubbed along well for the Jews of France – until the mid 1960’s, when de Gaulle and company, fearful of losing their relationships with Arab countries, cracked down hard on the French-Israel relationship: no more Mirage’s for the IDAF.

But the real game changer at home would not occur until later, triggered by the growing demographic heft of the Muslim population (today more than ten times the size of the Jewish population) and its burgeoning awareness of its own social and political weight. Whereas Jews had made themselves inconspicuous, Muslims started to demand more and more from secular society: removal of pork from school cafeterias, permission to wear the veil, provision of female doctors for women in hospitals.

Sound familiar? The French authorities tried to cope as they had before, but this was bigger than Kosher meals.

At first, French authorities reacted defensively, enforcing rules by the book and, in order not to be accused of discriminating, even banning many things that had hitherto been allowed to others, like wearing a skullcap in state-run facilities (public schools and hospitals, courtrooms, government offices at all levels, and so forth). Coerced at once by Islamic pressure and by lingering loyalty to their own principles, those who had long lived with the old ad-hoc arrangements became increasingly zealous on behalf of laïcité and increasingly intolerant of religious differences across the board.

Theirs was largely a losing cause. When it came to Islamic obduracy, the proud French model of secular republicanism was putting on blinders and sliding into accommodationism.

Which also sounds familiar, and it’s the result that should concern the hell out of any Western nation:

By the time the French looked up, the old model had become anachronistic, replaced by cultural relativism and postmodern multiculturalism, both deeply incompatible with enlightened republican principles – the very principles that had enabled Jews to integrate into secular society in the 19th century but that did not work for Muslims in the 20th and 21st centuries.

One can also kick into this bonfire “identity politics”.

Historically, not even the threats of Communism, fascism, and Nazism had induced Jews to despair of France; after World War II, even after the Six-Day War and the pro-Arab turn in French foreign policy, they wanted to believe in the French promise. But by the beginning of this century, France had lost the cultural and intellectual means to defend itself in those terms, leaving Jews adrift and without recourse. Whether or not the French Enlightenment had represented, as Leroy-Beaulieu thought, a universalization of Jewish values, the extinction of Enlightenment values was accompanied by a rejection of Judaism.

Without an awareness of the very special relationship that obtained between Jews and the French Republic in its heyday, and then in its deterioration, there is no understanding the depth of this new 21st-century trauma.

Losing the cultural and intellectual means to defend itself in those terms. Those words should be written in flaming capital letters on signs in front of Western politicians. And this is no philisophical or political wank, it has real affects:

On May 10, 1990, in the southern town of Carpentras, one of the country’s oldest Jewish cemeteries was desecrated: more than 30 tombstones were uprooted, and the body of a recently buried eighty-one-year-old man was exhumed and displayed next to an umbrella.

The contrast between 25 years ago and today? As the SPCJ pointed out in its 2014 report, older citizens still remember how the desecration of the Jewish cemetery in Carpentras “brought the French people to the streets,” whereas in 2006, “after the anti-Semitic murder of Ilan Halimi, and in 2012, after the attack against the Jewish school in Toulouse, rallies were almost exclusively composed of members of the Jewish community.”

Were I a Jew in France I’d be getting the hell out of Dodge also. But there is this final note:

On a sunny summer day, on the terrace of a typical Parisian café, a French ambassador, proud to regard himself as an embodiment of enlightened European and republican principles, was having a drink with a Jewish friend. They were indulging in small talk about a famous line by the poet Paul Valéry: “Civilizations, too, are mortal.” Suddenly the ambassador fell silent, pondering for a few seconds, and then turned toward his friend. “Of course, you can always go to Israel,” he said. “But us . . . where shall we go?”

Hajji

Morrissey

That this is a piece of the most cynical propaganda becomes clear in the third paragraph, which smoothly and dishonestly describes Israel’s massive bombing of the unarmed, trapped population of Gaza as “Israel’s war with Hamas”.

Anyone wanting to actually learn something about what is actually being done, continually and with utter impunity, in Gaza should seek out articles by serious academics and writers, instead of reading such crude nonsense as this “report”. A good beginning would be to spend some time reading the outstanding Israeli journalists Amira Hass and Gideon Levy.

Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 11,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks.

More than half a million Israelis have less than 60 seconds to find shelter after a rocket is launched from Gaza into Israel. Most rockets launched from Gaza into Israel are capable of reaching Israel’s biggest cities, including Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

Rocket fire from Gaza is a constant threat facing Israel’s civilians. In 2011 alone, 630 rockets from Gaza hit Israeli towns. That’s an even higher number than in 2010, when 231 rockets hit Israel.

Morrissey

Griff,

Citing disinformation from the perpetrators does nothing to enhance your credibility.

I suggest you read some of the brave and principled independent Israeli journalists who risk their lives and careers to report on what the Israeli regime is doing in the Occupied West Bank and in Gaza.

Morrissey

Dear old “Don the Kiwi” tries to pull a swifty with the following howler:

There are myriads of articles, videos and eyewitness accounts from many non-partisan sources that will support what Griff posted

In fact, of course, every eyewitness account of Gaza, whether it comes from the citizens enduring the onslaught, or doctors, nurses and ambulance drivers, or journalists, or human rights observers, or Israeli soldiers themselves, confirm that the killing of people in Gaza is nothing less than a massacre. Perhaps you’ll take the word of the Israeli soldiers, many of whom possess a conscience, and feel morally obligated to tell the truth about what they have been ordered to do….

Manolo

Reid

I’ve told you before that the Holocaust was backed by zionists, because they needed to encourage Jews to move to Israel. They care nothing for the ordinary Jew.

And because you haven’t listened, history is repeating, as it does, when you are ignorant of it.

Here’s another Jew who doesn’t care about his fellow but ordinary Jews.

Confirming once again that he is the silent puppet master behind Europe’s refugee crisis, overnight billionaire investor, and stalwart Hillary Clinton supporter, George Soros said in an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal that he would invest $500 million to meet the needs of migrants and refugees.

History will continue to repeat unless and until fools like most of you wake the fuck up and recognise this isn’t just a bunch of stuff that accidently happened, it was planned, there is a plan, it continues, and it will keep continuing.

But most of you have been inculcated from birth to become all confused when you start asking yourself questions such as: if it was planned, (which it wasn’t you say to yourself but say it was), then who is doing it and why? And the research you begin almost instantly leads you to communism and its techniques and when you look into who was behind communism you find people like Soros back in the day and when you look at those people you instantly see a common thread running through them. And you’ve been inculcated from birth to decry that thread because it’s “anti-semetic” not so to do. So your mind throws up a barrier, and you dismiss the whole subject as just whacky bullshit because it’s anti-semetic (in your mind) and go back to your default of “it’s just a bunch that’s happening” because if you didn’t, your whole concept, inculcated since birth, of what it is to be a good person, comes under review, and you’re not about to do that, are you.

Icarus

I don’t think rational debate is possible on this topic. It shows just how powerful propaganda messages are when applied to lazy thinkers and the feeble minded.

Most of this is just virtue signalling to avoid the sorts of nasty attacks we see all over this thread. Those sorts of people can be turned, and are the exact same people who have treated Jews badly when that was the fashion. Currently the fashion dictates its Muslims, but it can change ….

Icarus

Icarus

The clue is in the word “foreign”. They have sent other countries men to fight. The biggest target being Muslims in the areas they have invaded in North Africa and the Middle East. You need to read some history.

stephieboy

Southern Raider

Great to see that EAD, Reid etc think it is acceptable that my young children just because they are Jewish should be considered as usary hungry evil individuals who deserve to be harrased and bashed on the streets for being nothing more than what they were born as

Icarus

I have not seen anyone advocating that. I certainly don’t. The fact someone does not put Jews on a pedestal and questions the hysteria about Jewish persecution, does not mean they bash kids and want to harm Jews.

Reid

Southern Raider

Your full of shit Reid. You post links about Jews creating the Holocaust themselves and every other conspiracy theory about Jews creating the world and then when called out about it you act like Mother Theresa

Reid

Icarus

This is not a discussion, its an echo chamber. Its a dog whistle thread to virtue signalers.

If you want to see how sincere these comments are, compare what these people say about Muslims. That is the true indication of their nature. Jews know how quickly these types of people turn. They don’t trust them and neither do I.

tom hunter

I wouldn’t worry about it SR, they probably have tests that distinguish the Jews from the Jews-Who-Are-Not-Jews (JWANJ’s) – so you’re kids will probably be safe from these sorts of accusations, let alone physical attacks.

Probably. It’s possible that you and your kids are indeed the infamous JWANJ’s.

stephieboy

The Law of Return is controversial and your link suggests it only applies to those born of wedlock and it certainly is a ver,y very far cry from Nazis ideas and notions about Aryan racial purity and Laws including racial defilement ,

Pharmachick

tom hunter

It probably won’t make you feel any better, Pharmachick, but that’s exactly the reaction the old fart is looking for. Apparently it’s all he’s got to look foward to nowadays.

Basically he’ll say anything – no matter how stupid or offensive on any subject under the sun – just to get a reaction.

This is “fun” to “Icarus”. If he was serious and/or had any ethics and honour, he’d return as Kea for one last go at his 10th and final strike for a life-ban. Instead he’s returned in this hideously unsubtle form of troll.

I dont think its “fun” for Kea.
Her pathological behavior is centered around attention seeking and her sense of self worth .
Must be a terrible life when the only way you can validate your self is being a wanker on a blog for attention .

tom hunter

Not a “her”, Griff – unless you’re teasing and you already know?

There’s a female Physics PhD in NZ with various… problems… who commented on a number of blogs as “Kea”, years before our parrot appeared. I seem to recall that early on she actually commented here to say that this “Kea” was not her.

Marni Sheppard was here in person ?
I did not see that .
What we know about Marni also fits very well with what we know about Kea.
Along with using the same nom de plume they share many hobby’s and obsessions
Just a total coincidence of course.

tom hunter

So you are aware of that? Okay, well, only DPF can truly know.

But what I saw of Marni’s obsessions over the years there was only a bit of cross-over with KB’s “Kea”, mainly around the NZ outdoors. Aside from that there was physics stuff and a bit of a persecution complex that had prevented her using her intellectual gifts. It all sounded rather sad, but the tone and structure was nothing like Kea/Icarus.

nasska

…..”Marni Sheppard was here in person ?”……

This was the comment:

mdsheppeard (1 comment) says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

Just to note: the idiot called kea here, who has caused a link fest to one of my popular old blogs where I posted under the name kea, is NOT ME. Repeat: this kea is NOT M. D. Sheppeard.
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tom hunter

True. But did you read that article I linked to? This is something new that is not leveraging off those old cultural seams.

Basically the Islamic immigrants are taking advantage of the soft edges of the old French rules around the state and religion, forcing the authorities to be “pure” about things that people used to just take in their stride because there was give-and-take on both sides.

chiz

Tom hunter:

But what I saw of Marni’s obsessions over the years there was only a bit of cross-over with KB’s “Kea”, mainly around the NZ outdoors. Aside from that there was physics stuff and a bit of a persecution complex that had prevented her using her intellectual gifts. It all sounded rather sad, but the tone and structure was nothing like Kea/Icarus

You didn’t look enough. Kea/Icarus is Marni. Both are into mountaineering, both are half-Syrian. That’s an extremely small set of people to begin with, let alone among Kiwibloggers. Kea has revealed herself here to be a physicist, with one comment, but most people here probably didn’t notice. Then there’s Marni herself and her behavior on other blogs, not to mention a fake blog she once set up many years ago, purportedly written by someone else.

tom hunter

Interesting chiz. As I said earlier, only DPF will know – and even that based on an email address.

I did not know about the half-Syrian bit, nor about the Physics comment – any chance you could track that down, because I’ve never seen a hint of it.

The whole Kea/Icarus thing really has a male vibe to it. If one was obsessive enough (and wierd enough), you could mimic that I suppose. The Kea comments here regarding the mountains seemed more inclined towards hunting than Marni’s tramping.

I’m fairly familiar with Marni’s behaviour on other blogs dating back quite a few years, which is where I first became aware of her strange history. I still have to say that that past does not strike me as our Kea/Icarus character.