"China warns North Korea: Youre on your own if you go after theUnited States"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.779c7a4039c2"China wont come to North Koreas help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.

The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered semiofficial, experts said."

"China warns North Korea: You're on your own if you goafter the United States"https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.779c7a4039c2

The North Korea's recklessness isn't in the interest of China or Russia,while the rustically vainglorious effort of the pundits to misrepresent itas a result of American 'pressure' looks pathetic and pornographic.

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Beijing is not able to persuade Washington or Pyongyang to back down atthis time. It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make themunderstand that when their actions jeopardize China's interests, Chinawill respond with a firm hand. / China should also make clear that ifNorth Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the USretaliates, China will stay neutral. If the US and South Korea carry outstrikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change thepolitical pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them fromdoing so.

And here's the Chinese daddy's message specifically to the small islanders:

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States"https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.779c7a4039c2"China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

Small recovery in FTSE 100. The money thinks it's a good sign, so itprobably is.

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

Post by abelard"China warns North Korea: Youre on your own if you go after theUnited States""China wont come to North Koreas help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered semiofficial, experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

The widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

China has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

Post by abelard"China warns North Korea: Youre on your own if you go after theUnited States""China wont come to North Koreas help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered semiofficial, experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'

don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...a lot has changed since the '50s

Post by abelard"China warns North Korea: Youre on your own if you go after theUnited States""China wont come to North Koreas help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered semiofficial, experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...a lot has changed since the '50s

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...a lot has changed since the '50s

It has, but I generally trust Reuters to get the story straight.

i trust nothing...

Your call, one needs to be able to accept some reports as being aneyewitness to the DPRK is a death sentence for the average man.

Post by abelard"China warns North Korea: Youre on your own if you go after theUnited States""China wont come to North Koreas help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered semiofficial, experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...a lot has changed since the '50s

It has, but I generally trust Reuters to get the story straight.

i trust nothing...

Your call, one needs to be able to accept some reports as being aneyewitness to the DPRK is a death sentence for the average man.

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens theUnited States then China should stay neutral, but if the United Statesattacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China willstop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

'will stop them' weren't the words used

Post by SeaSnakeThe widely read state-run Global Times, published by the rulingCommunist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial thatBeijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

so they say

Post by SeaSnake"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understandthat when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respondwith a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent governmentpolicy.

see above

Post by SeaSnake"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles thatthreaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stayneutral," it added."If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow theNorth Korean regime and change the political pattern of the KoreanPeninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

'to overthrow the n. k. regime'don't over interpret words...esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...a lot has changed since the '50s

It has, but I generally trust Reuters to get the story straight.

i trust nothing...

Your call, one needs to be able to accept some reports as being aneyewitness to the DPRK is a death sentence for the average man.

It never got paid for the Volvos, but could Sweden mediate with North Korea?

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden has not yet been paid by North Korea forthe hundreds of Volvo sedans it imported in the 1970s and which canstill be seen on the streets of the communist country.

While the deal was not the commercial success Sweden had hoped for, itserves as a reminder of its long involvement in North Korea. This raisesthe question of whether Sweden could use its special relationship to actas an intermediary in the nuclear crisis between North Korea and theUnited States.

The United States has no formal diplomatic relations with North Korea,limiting the options for the two sides to reduce tensions over NorthKorea's missile and nuclear weapons programs.

Sweden, however, plays a crucial diplomatic role with the secretivegovernment in North Korea, most often seen when it acts on behalf of theWest when Westerners get into trouble.

Ulv Hanssen, Research Assistant and Associate Fellow at the SwedishInstitute of International Affairs, said it was not unthinkable thatSweden could act as an intermediary between Washington and Pyongyang inthe current crisis.

"Sweden has done so on numerous occasions before, especially in relationto imprisoned Americans," he said.

"Acting as a mediator between two states on the brink of war isunquestionably a very demanding task, but Sweden has the advantage ofenjoying the trust of not only Washington, but also Pyongyang," he added.

The Swedish Foreign Ministry declined to comment.

HISTORICAL CONNECTIONS

Sweden's role in the release of Canadian pastor Hyeon Soo Lim this monthand of U.S. student Otto Warmbier earlier this year reflects historicalconnections that go back nearly half a century to the end of the KoreanWar, a legacy no other country in the West can match.

North and South Korea are still technically at war, but Sweden is amember of the Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission, which was set upto oversee the armistice, undertake inspections, observe militaryexercises and promote trust between the two sides.

Analysts say that while Pyongyang remains deeply suspicious of the West,Sweden's neutral status has helped it to play an albeit limited role as"honest broker" with the North.

Sweden was the first Western European nation to establish diplomaticrelations with the North, in 1973, and the first to set up an embassy inPyongyang in 1975.

During the period, Sweden was critical of the Vietnam War and was amajor player in the non-aligned movement, gaining credibility as anindependent actor on the international stage.

"DIALOGUE AND INTERACTIONS"

Sweden distributes large amounts of humanitarian aid in North Korea,channeling the money through the United Nations, the Red Cross and otherorganizations.

Stockholm has also been host and sponsor of talks between U.S. and NorthKorean representatives. These are not direct talks between the twogovernments, but conducted by academics and current and former StateDepartment officials.

After Pastor Lim's release, Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstromsaid: "Our presence in North Korea enables us to engage in dialogue andinteractions. We take this role very seriously."

One diplomat said the relationship between Sweden and North Korea wasmostly consular, not aimed at ways to find a solution to the nuclear crisis.

A source with knowledge of the matter said the United States neededsomeone who can deal with consular issues and Sweden can do that withthe consent of the North Koreans.

"Generally, the North Koreans are very stringent. You can't just chargein and get what you want. You can't make demands of them," the source said.

But the source also made clear that Sweden's role is not purely consular.

"Sweden has been able to share information with the major players in theregion and we are still doing that. We have mainly acted as a source ofinformation and made sure that information reaches the most importantactors," the source added.

At the moment, Washington and Pyongyang maintain contacts through theirUnited Nations missions, their embassies in Beijing and meetings betweenmilitary officers at Panmunjom, where the Korean War truce was signed.

As for the Volvos, they seem to be doing well more than 40 years on. TheSwedish embassy in Pyongyang last October tweeted a picture of one ofthe cars in use as a taxi in the city of Chongjin with almost 500,000 kmon the clock and "still unpaid for" by the North Koreans.

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

Which could happen anyway, if the North Koreans had the guts tooverthrow their commie government...

Post by SeaSnakeChina has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or arepeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizingrefugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified countyallied with the United States.

Which could happen anyway, if the North Koreans had the guts tooverthrow their commie government...

North Korea says nearly 3.5 million volunteer for People's Army astensions rise

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Saturday that nearly 3.5 millionworkers, party members and soldiers volunteered to join or rejoin itsarmy to resist new U.N. sanctions and to fight against the United Statesin the current geopolitical tension between Pyongyang and Washington.

Rodong Sinmun, North Korea's official newspaper, said the volunteers hadoffered to join or rejoin the People's Army after the Korea Central NewsAgency (KCNA) issued a statement on Monday condemning new sanctionsimposed by the United Nations in retaliation for North Korean missile tests.

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

easy there with the 'certainty' jibe

Oh dear, the moron can't even quote properly.

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"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

"China warns North Korea: You're on your own if you go after theUnited States""China won't come to North Korea's help if it launches missilesthreatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-ownednewspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washingtonstrikes first.The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of theCommunist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflectgovernment policy and can be considered "semiofficial," experts said."

The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then Chinacertainly will step in.

Post by BurfordTJusticeLOL sure Chicoms will risk it all for Kim the fat...Speaking of Kim the Fat...he ain't gonna doing nothing butrun his empty mouth.He is living the High life and is not gonna risk that.

It would be a lot more risk than he likes, plus no more Dennis Rodmansleep-overs...

"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after theUnited States"

Best fuckin' sentence I've heard lately ... meanstheir "Chinese shield" is gone. Anything they startTHEY have to finish ... and they can't.China just does TOO much business and financewith the USA and allies. It can't afford to back aprancing little dictator like Kim anymore. Timeshave changed.Money may be the root of all evil - but it can alsobe a huge stabilizing force in international relations.

Yes it can!

A credible regret was made by Charles Krauthammer regarding the end of"earmarks" and the political polarization that has grown from it.

Deprived of goodies to trade among themselves the pols have no incentiveto do business - on ANY level.