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.andjoshuathompson, anattorney with the pacific legal foundation, which has defended a similar ban in california. >> welcome to you both. president bollinger what did you think about this, was this about the process or about affirmative action itself, these arguments today? >> it is largely about the process as marcia said. i think that she described the alternatives, the opposing positions correctly. the one side the position is, the court has said you can have frifntion, it's your choice and all the voters of michigan have done is take this off the table. the other position is there have been a couple of cases in the supreme court, the seattle case in particular from the early 1980s where the court said if you take something involving race and issue involving race and you make it especially difficult or impossible basically for that to be solved in the political process that involves deep concerns. justice kennedy who probably will be the swing vote in this was especially concerned in the oral argument in his questions with the seattle case as a precedent for this. so that's

. and joshua thompson, an attorney with the pacific legal foundation, which has defended a similar ban in california. >> welcome to you both. president bollinger what did you think about this, was this about the process or about affirmative action itself, these arguments today? >> it is largely about the process as marcia said. i think that she described the alternatives, the opposing positions correctly. the one side the position is, the court has said you can have frifntion, it's...