Denbert, there should be docs on distro wikis too, for example http://en.opensuse.org/Category:LTSP

09:01

<Denbert>

Cygerorg, the first link says "Not logged in"

09:02

I haven't tried suse before, as i really like the Debian/Ubuntu apt get system

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09:02

<Denbert>

I'll look at the suse page

09:02

<cyberorg>

https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php

09:02

<Denbert>

Thanx

09:03

<cyberorg>

Denbert, suse instructions will be specific to suse, upstream docs work on all distros :)

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09:03

<Denbert>

cyberdog, the https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php asks for user and password

09:04

<alkisg>

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page

09:04

<cyberorg>

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page

09:05

alkisg, you beat me to it :)

09:05

<alkisg>

;)

09:12

<Denbert>

Thanx - I'll try install Ubuntu 9.10 with LTSP right away as this version should be with LTSP5

09:14

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/technologies/ltsp - I love the "If you use a machine with two network cards, your server will work directly out of the box"

09:15

Looks like a M$ sales document :)

09:16

<alkisg>

Heh, it does work out of the box with 2 cards though

09:16

But, with 1 card, it need fiddling with some configuration files

09:22

<Denbert>

I'm testing in VMware 2.0.1 - hence I've added one more nic :)

09:26

A server holding 150 clients, isn't it a serious server?

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09:52

<Denbertuz>

Wow - It's simply outstanding - it really worked out of the box

09:53

Is it possible to get access from an Windows XP via RDP?

09:54

<cyberorg>

Denbertuz, for 150 clients you may need to cluster 2 or more servers

09:55

<Denbertuz>

Ok

09:58

First test was VERY impressive - took 20 min to install - no settings at all - just network boot at the client, and bingo: http://hegnstoften.net/pictures/pxe-boot-in-vmware-terminal.png

10:00

My daugthers school i planning a Terminal Server from M$ as they are doing huge sales efforts

10:00

I'll suggest them the ubuntu solution as an alternative

10:02

<alkisg>

There are 2 ways to use RDP, either from inside the gnome session, or at startup, replacing ldm completely

10:02

(i.e. RDP_SERVER and RDP_OPTIONS in lts.conf)

10:05

<Denbertuz>

The school want's to offer the students to bring their own laptops

10:05

This is why the RDP implementation is needed

10:06

Or could it be done with some sort of boot image on an USB/CD/FLOPPY

10:06

<cyberorg>

Denbertuz, for school check this out too http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live :)

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<alkisg>

If the students bring their own laptops, then why do you need ltsp for?

10:12

<Denbertuz>

thanx for fast info cyberborg and alkisg - I'm of to match day at the local soccerteam. I'm surely return here for more questions :)

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10:14

<cyberorg>

alkisg, tried new li-f-e iso yet?

10:16

check it out if you haven't already, it is miles ahead of the last one you tested :)

10:16

'night

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10:46

<test-guest>

good morning/evening/afternoon - whatever applies

10:46

<alkisg>

cyberorg: thanks - I'll try it, but unfortunately I invested to much to .deb to change to .rpm now.. :(

10:57

<test-guest>

Might I ask a question specific to ltsp clients on an Xubuntu Hardy LTSP server?

10:58

USB devices show up on Gnome desktop but not on XFCE desktop (both ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed). This is for a amd64 server with i386 clients

11:01

Is this a known issue with XFCE LTSP clients, or can you suggest things I should look at within XFCE? I have looked to desktop and removable devices should show (CD on server shows on desktop), I have set thunar to use all possible combinations of removable devices.

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<nico1>

hello

12:28

<alkisg>

Hi

12:28

<johnny>

/me thinks alkisg should have a donation button

12:29

<nico1>

i cant access tftp server from a thin client

12:29

it says connection timed out

12:30

<alkisg>

johnny: ;)

12:32

<johnny>

alkisg, that's why i think irc is limiting to us..

12:32

would be cool to have full xmpp muc instead..

12:32

and a web interface with little donation buttons next to your name :)

12:33

<alkisg>

johnny: remember the other time you were telling me something about xmpp groups?

12:33

Can you remind me how they're called?

12:33

nico1: distro/version?

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<johnny>

xmpp groups?

12:34

remind me what i was talking about :)

12:34

<alkisg>

Grrrr

12:34

:D

12:35

Never mind I'll look at the irc logs... (I can't remember what exactly we were talking about...)

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12:39

<alkisg>

johnny: "shared roster"

12:39

What's that?

12:39

<johnny>

what about it?

12:39

what does it mean?

12:39

it means that you can have all people be friends which each other automatically

12:39

<alkisg>

OK, how do I do that?

12:40

<johnny>

uhmm.. it's server dependent

12:40

not all servers implement it, and not all servers implement it in the same way (yet)

12:40

<alkisg>

Do I setup a local xmpp server? Which one?

12:41

(I think xmpp can help us in the classroom; enable students to share files, the teacher to help a student with desktop sharing etc)

12:41

<johnny>

well, some of it will work automatically, even via zerconf on the same subnet

12:42

everybody on the subnet can/will see each other if the zeroconf account is enabled

12:42

<alkisg>

But "people nearby" that empathy has doesn't support everything that other xmpp account support (e.g. audio/video/desktop sharing etc)

12:42

<johnny>

ah

12:42

figured it'd support desktop sharing..

12:42

sorry

12:42

<alkisg>

So I think if I setup an xmpp server, I could do that

12:43

But I'd lose the "everyone knows all" thing

12:43

Could you recommend me an XMPP server?

12:43

<johnny>

hmm... hard choice..

12:43

ejabberd or prosody i guess

12:44

<alkisg>

Ah. Nice, with a quick look at their web pages, I thought I'd go with jabber2 :)

12:44

<johnny>

prosody seems to have a few less features than ejabberd, but the community is nicer

12:44

no.. jabberd2 is only semi active

12:45

<alkisg>

? no package for prosody in Ubuntu?!!!

12:45

ejabberd it is, then :)

12:50

<johnny>

ejabberd is much harder to configure i think

12:51

i'm not in the support chatroom for ejabberd either

12:51

only prosody

12:52

i also wouldn't recommend that you use ejabberd 2.0.5

12:52

or any 2.0.* version really

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<vagrantc>

ltsp-notquitesurewherebuthopeitstherightplaceapps

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<stgraber>

just so that everyone knows, I'll have someone at Revolution Linux to work on a nbd proxy

17:11

kind-of small application that will run on the thin client, simulate a nbd server, handle the communication with the kernel space nbd and will maintain the link with the actual nbd server

17:11

that way we'll be able to solve these disconnections issues and have reconnection work a lot better than it currently does

17:12

I'm hoping to have a proof of concept done next week that I'll commit to ltsp-trunk (could be a separate project in the future though)

17:12

<vagrantc>

crazy

17:13

<stgraber>

yep, but easier than trying to push a change in upstream linux kernel :)

17:13

and that way we can also support reconnecting to a pool of server instead of a single one (especially useful for me ;))

17:14

<vagrantc>

stgraber: seems like code that would belong in the nbd userspace tools

17:16

<stgraber>

vagrantc: yeah, long term plan is to have the kernel talk to userspace and handle the connection from userspace, not sure we'll have energy to put on doing that though (on company time I mean)

17:17

<vagrantc>

stgraber: will be curious to see how it all pans out :)

17:18

<stgraber>

so far I did a 50 lines proof of concept in python and it kind-of works though the code is extremely ugly :)

17:18

so doing it in C should be both faster and will allow us to share some code with nbd-server

17:18

<vagrantc>

it's going to be harder to switch to NBD in debian by default now that linux-modules-extra-2.6 is going away ... i've been looking at dkms to see if it's feasible.

17:19

<stgraber>

if dkms is working correctly in Debian (I know it's not that much used), then it should be extremely easy to do

17:19

you just need a dkms-ified nbd module and have the initramfs rebuilt afterwards

17:19

<vagrantc>

will be evaluating using LTSP_FATCLIENTS at freegeek which may push the need to switch to NBD if it's just too durned slow

17:20

well, NBD is an in-tree kernel, but other stuff (aufs or other unionfs alternative) might not be.

17:20

but in theory, maybe dkms will actually make it simpler.

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<stgraber>

I've been using dkms for all my out-of-tree modules so far and it works great, brings you a lot of advantages on upgrade

17:31

<vagrantc>

well, look forward to it, then :)

17:32

of course, that'll basically require a build environment in the chroot...

17:42

huh. wiki.ltsp.org points to the same location that ltsp.org points to.

17:42

y'all moved the wiki to sourceforge?

17:46

<stgraber>

don't think so

17:46

hmm, actually, looks like somebody did

17:47

and forgot to mention it (at least I didn't see it on the ML until someone complains about missing pages)

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17:52

* stgraber just sent an email to the ML about it, trying to understand what's happening there

17:52

<stgraber>

especially as I don't consider moving to Mediawiki as being a good choice (considering that Revolution Linux is trying to move away from it after using for a few years and having issues with it)

17:53

<vagrantc>

so it goes

17:54

* vagrantc is happy to see the wiki moved away from twiki

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<stgraber>

well, I personaly like MoinMoin, used Twiki for a few projects with no major issues and unfortunately had to maintain a few Mediawiki ...

17:55

<vagrantc>

freegeek uses mediawiki extensively ... i deal.

17:55

* vagrantc struggles with moinmoin

17:56

<stgraber>

Mediawiki is usually fine as long as you don't need ACLs and don't use too many extensions

17:56

I also had quite a lot of issues with utf-8 though I think we solved them now

18:05

* vagrantc wishes to find someplace to use ikiwiki

18:06

<johnny>

is ikwiki the best dvcs wiki?

18:06

i don't know

18:06

seems pretty ugg to me

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<vagrantc>

i think using a real revision control system for a backend is pretty intelligent.

18:08

<johnny>

git-wiki might be worth looking at

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<cyberorg>

alkisg, not for switching, for constructive criticism(and praises mostly) :D

23:30

<alkisg>

Heh, sure, I can do that ;) You deserve it :)

23:43

<cyberorg>

alkisg, this image includes graphical boot loader, your suggestion :)

23:44

<alkisg>

I've done a live Ubuntu/LTSP remix as well, it goes pretty well considering it runs from a DVD....

23:46

I've put an if-up script that automatically reconfigures dnsmasq whenever the IP changes, so it runs completely automatically, with no user configuration needed...

23:47

<cyberorg>

wow, i can test that, use some tricks, where can i get it?

23:49

how do you specify dhcp range to give out to clients?

23:50

<alkisg>

It's basically the ltsp-server-pnp script I gave you some time ago.

23:51

It's a live dvd, so I don't expect the user to rewire his network; I expect an existing dhcp server there.

23:54

<cyberorg>

right, so dnsmasq just serves as proxy dhcp, can we get it to take over the role of dhcp server if no other is found in the network automatically?

23:55

<alkisg>

Sure, that's just a line in the configuration file. But how can you detect that?

23:55

E.g. the dhcp server may be temporarily down when the ltsp server is booted, and it could get up again after a few seconds...

23:56

* alkisg is fine with *requiring* a dhcp server :D

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<cyberorg>

i am just thinking from "works under all scenarios" POV :)

23:59

* alkisg is thinking from "it never *breaks* stuff" POV :D

23:59

<alkisg>

If no dhcp server is present, then the user knows to setup his network anyway