Hi all,
I live in the L.A. area & have extended Time Warner cable at my house. I was excited about getting the Roamio plus so I could dl a bunch of shows to my iPad. Unfortunately, I keep running into the dreaded "restricted by copyright holder" message. The message seems to be more channel oriented than content oriented though. For instance, I can dl brand new Modern Family's from CBS & older ones from KTTV, but not from USA HD. So, I was thinking that we could join together and make a list of L.A. area stations that allow you to dl. So far, I've had good luck with:
PBS
KTTV
CBS
NBC

and others, but I haven't started a comprehensive list yet. Let me know what works & doesn't and I'll put it all together in a new thread. Also, I don't know if the restrictions are the same for Direct TV, FIOS, or other cable systems, so please list your provider.

Rainwater is correct. TWC restricts pretty much everything except the channels you could get over the air with an antenna. So you should be able to transfer KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC, KCAL, KTTV, KCOP, KCET, the various PBS and foreign language local stations, and possibly KDOC and any of the subchannels that TWC carries. But not much else.

FiOS pretty much restricts only HBO and Cinemax. The other premium, "basic cable" and broadcast channels are marked "copy freely."

Rainwater is correct. TWC restricts pretty much everything except the channels you could get over the air with an antenna. So you should be able to transfer KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC, KCAL, KTTV, KCOP, KCET, the various PBS and foreign language local stations, and possibly KDOC and any of the subchannels that TWC carries. But not much else.

FiOS pretty much restricts only HBO and Cinemax. The other premium, "basic cable" and broadcast channels are marked "copy freely."

Search "CCI byte" for more info.

Don't forget all the C-Span channels. Those are usually copy freely too

Thanks for the replies but, I was really hoping for somewhat more constructive comments here. As in, exactly which channels work & which don't. And it doesn't have to be limited to TWC, I think all of us would like a comprehensive list.

Thanks for the replies but, I was really hoping for somewhat more constructive comments here. As in, exactly which channels work & which don't. And it doesn't have to be limited to TWC, I think all of us would like a comprehensive list.

It is pretty much impossible since every cable company handles it differently in every area. And every area has different local affilliates. Creating any type of list for more than one specific cable company and city would be a huge under taking..

CC flags for OTA local broadcasters were ruled beyond the authority of the FCC, upon whom the broadcasters were relying to enforce them with force of law. So, no CC flags for local broadcasters allowed, EVER. All other channels, those exclusively for MVPD's, are subject to CC flags as per agreements between content owners and MVPD's and that changes everyday unique to each MSO in each franchise, meaning it is a constantly, evolving and changing making any "list" obsolete pretty much the moment the list is completed or updated. If the goal is to be "constructive," then spending any amount of time compiling such a list is not. Constructive people are not interested in wasting their time and energy for such a fancifal, if not useless list that is immediately out of date, incorrect because it deals with something dynamic on a daily basis, not static. However, please go ahead and compile such a list, since you seem to have the singular overiding need for one, and let us know how it goes, as others seem uninterested in toiling on your behalf as they have truly "constructive" things to do that provide real benefit. Please take our advice. Now that is "constructive."

CC flags for OTA local broadcasters were ruled beyond the authority of the FCC, upon whom the broadcasters were relying to enforce them with force of law. So, no CC flags for local broadcasters allowed, EVER.

That's no longer true, companies can request a waiver to encrypt locals, and it's been approved in at least a few markets, NYC is the big one.

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That's no longer true, companies can request a waiver to encrypt locals, and it's been approved in at least a few markets, NYC is the big one.

While I can't vouch for the "no CC flags for local broadcasters allowed, EVER", you're mixing apples with oranges. It is still possible to encrypt all channels while maintaining copy freely. The CCI-Byte and Encryption are two distinct things.

While I can't vouch for the "no CC flags for local broadcasters allowed, EVER", you're mixing apples with oranges. It is still possible to encrypt all channels while maintaining copy freely. The CCI-Byte and Encryption are two distinct things.

I don't disagree, but folks mix the terms frequently, I'd have to defer to someone in a market that current runs the waiver to the actual operational results.

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If anyone can provide a single example of a TWC system that doesn't copy protect everything except local broadcast stations and CSPAN please post it.
They do it just because they want to (and that is legal too). Although they will try to insinuate they are required to do it by their content programmer agreements.

It's a business decision. If you don't like it go to one of their competitors .... oops!, in most of the TWC-served areas there is no competitor except SATV.

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I don't disagree, but folks mix the terms frequently, I'd have to defer to someone in a market that current runs the waiver to the actual operational results.

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Originally Posted by tatergator1

While I can't vouch for the "no CC flags for local broadcasters allowed, EVER", you're mixing apples with oranges. It is still possible to encrypt all channels while maintaining copy freely. The CCI-Byte and Encryption are two distinct things.

Correct. Comcast now encrypts EVERYTHING on my system (they don't have analog at all), but all channels except HBO (and maybe other premiums, but I don't have them) are copy freely, which is the correct way to do it. TWC's implementation is completely wrong, hopefully Comcast will set that straight when they acquire TWC.

TWC's implementation of the copy flag is simply wrong. They are in no way required by any agreement to flag cable channels other than certain premiums like HBO. If it weren't for the fact that Comcast is about to buy them up, and will Xfinity-ize their systems, I would say that TWC should fix their screwed up system, as in areas that they compete with FIOS, they surely lose a few customers.