AMC RESURRECTS “THE WALKING DEAD”
FOR A SECOND SEASON
Biggest Series in Cable History
Among Adults 18-49
Network Greenlights 13-Episode Season of Original Hit Series
Biggest Global Original Series Debut on Fox International Channels
( New York , NY – November 8, 2010) AMC announced today the renewal of “The Walking Dead” for a 13-episode second season. Since debuting Sunday, October 31, “The Walking Dead” has broken ratings records, with the series reaching more Adults 18-49 than any other show in the history of cable television.
Today’s announcement also includes Fox International Channels’ (FIC) global renewal for a second season, following record-breaking premiere ratings in 120 countries in Europe, Latin America, Asia and the Middle East . “The Walking Dead” was the highest-rated original series premiere ever to air on FIC simultaneously worldwide.
“The ‘Dead’ has spread!” said Charlie Collier, President, AMC. “No other cable series has ever attracted as many Adults 18-49 as ‘The Walking Dead.’ This reaffirms viewers’ hunger for premium television on basic cable. We are so proud to be bringing back ‘The Dead’ again, across the globe.”
Ratings Highlights for The Walking Dead - Episode 2, which premiered on AMC Sunday, 11/7:
10pm airing – 3.1 HH rating with over 4.7 million viewers;
Adults 18-49 – 3.3 million viewers;
Adults 25-54 – 2.8 million viewers;
Men 18-49 – 2.1 million viewers.
Ratings Highlights for the The Walking Dead - Episode 1, which premiered on AMC Sunday, 10/31:
10pm airing – 3.7 HH rating with over 5.3 million total viewers;
Adults 18-49 – 3.6 million viewers;
Adults 25-54 – 3.1 million viewers;
Men 18-49 – 2.0 million viewers;
“I wish all programming decisions were no brainers like this one,” said Sharon Tal Yguado, SVP Scripted Programming. “‘The Walking Dead’ is a TV masterpiece on so many levels. We want at least 10 seasons, if not more. Kudos to AMC!”

I am – Hercules!!
Last week Rick Grimes used a tank to escape as a swarming Atlanta zombie mob had his horsie for lunch.
AMC says of tonight’s installment, “Guts”:

Rick unknowingly causes a group of survivors to be trapped by walkers.

What AMC isn’t not telling us:
* Tonight’s Rick-free teaser contains a big reveal.
* As the clip demonstrates, there’s menace behind cracking storefront glass and Laurie Holden joins the cast to remind us that before Frank Darabont masterminded this series, he wrote and directed “The Mist.”
* Michael Rooker joins the cast as Merle Dixon, a terrifically hate-worthy n-word spewing redneck.
* There’s a genuinely horrifying slow-mo CGI shot toward the end which made the episode for me.
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.

But should still do much better than other AMC shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad. The thing to worry about now is not IF there will be another season but whether they will go overboard and order too many episodes and water down the quality.

If this show goes 6 seasons at the most, the comic will still outlive the show. At some point the show is going to have to break away from the comic's storyline and become a separate entity altogether. Anyone else agree? I just don't see how this show can satisfyingly end if the comic will go on for years and years and years. Kirkman said he has up to issue 312 mapped out and we are only up to 79!

He just keeps ruining everybody's day!<p>
"Dude! We have enough problems, what with all the dead people walking around. We don't need you bumbling around making things worse! Now go watch Zombieland and don't come back until you've MEMORIZED THE FUCKING RULES!!!"<p>
Heh heh heh...

The tank was a nice inclusion, the extra time with Duane and his kid was nice. But why change Merle? I liked him better as the almost say nothing traumatized survivor. In the comic he seemed 'off' they said, and he barely said a word because his entire family including some extended family were all eaten in front of him. Is he now a racist just because they needed some drama and tension?

Canada's industry minister, a Conservative, tweeted last Sunday that he was watching The Walking Dead.<p>
Anybody whose political beliefs include the feeling that they are perennially outflanked by forces beyond their control (the other parties, the media, special interests, big business, big labour, the bureaucracy, etc...) will tend to identify with zombie movies.<p>
As such, I don't really think it's about left vs. right. It's more about how conspiratorial you happen to feel, and how much you feel like "your side" is constantly swimming upstream.<p>
That's what I feel the whole zombie "meme" is really about. After all, one zombie isn't really a problem. The horror of it is the moment when a character suddenly realizes that they've been overwhelmed, and there's literally nothing they can do to save themselves.<p>
If you happen to be politically active, it's the same sinking feeling you get when you know you've done everything right (during an election campaign, or promoting an issue, or sheparding a bill through a legislature), and you're still going to end up on the other side with nothing to show for it.<p>
That's a horrible fucking feeling, and it's a feeling that both liberals and conservatives can relate to.

from the comics, or he may just be a brand new character. That clip above features a load of characters and an entire sequence not from the comics (and also marks the last time I watch one of those clips, should have heeded Herc's spoiler warning).

While Rage Zombies are my favourite (I particularly adore Dead Set), there is something to be said about slow zombies, if they are handled correctly by a skilled production team.<p>
Like I wrote above, what makes slow zombies so horrifying is the way one isn't really dangerous but a group can easily overwhelm you.<p>
To be overwhelmed in slow-motion by a mass of rotting, dead people? That would really suck. I mean, imagine the smell and the noise as this sea of rotting, ravenous creatures surround you, and you realize there is NOTHING left that you can do to save yourself.<p>
The key to survival is planning, and keeping a step ahead of the mass. Once you let the mass outflank you, you're already dead (the "Walking Dead", so to speak).<p>
With Rage Zombies, even one is a threat. It's a different kind of scary. More like a traditional "monster story".<p>
The horror of the "slow zombies" is the knowledge that you've fucked up, and you're ABOUT to have your intestines torn out in the next 5 minutes or so. The longest 5 minutes of your life, surely.

And I don't think that's a bad thing. We'll probably see events like the farmhouse, and the prison, and characters like Michonne eventually introduced in future seasons, but I for one don't mind the series finding its own identity. It has to work first and foremost as a serialized TV drama and not just as a straightforward translation of the comic.<p><p>That said, in many of the recent issues, Kirkman doesn't show the zombies all that much. The emphasis is more on the survivors and how they fuck with one another. So I think it's safe to say that future seasons of the series won't have a problem with budget.

My feeling is that they can compromise on this -- a freshly made zombie moves fast, but gradually slows down, rotting and crumbling to pieces. Logically, if zombies were to really exist, there should be no more zombies within a few years at the most.

I was glad, being from Georgia, seeing that the series did not depict southerners as stupid or racist. And now, sure enough they've added in some racist asshole to reinforce the stereotype for us all. Fuck this. (Who am I kidding, I'm watching it anyway).

AICN always pimps for the Left come election time and Herc was happy to use Coaxial to peddle bullshit about the Stewart rally attendance numbers, but its hysterically funny that now they don't want to even mention one of the hottest media stories and Olberfuck getting pulled off the air and suspended indefinitely without pay.<p>On topic: WALKING DEAD rules!

until now i've not needed cable- can watch anything from TV i'd want to online. but i have to watch walking dead by buying it on itunes (got the season pass). so my question is- if i'm PAYING for them directly, why do i still have to wait until tomorrow, 24 hours later. why can't i start downloading it as soon as it is airing on AMC?

@burn,
The stupidest thing is that, he's in the police station and yet not a single weapon there has any. Or when he woke up, passing the military vehicles, he didn't look for any gun? wtf. also why didn't he make one at the police station. if im fighting zombies...I'm packing!

Modified assault carbine rifle with laser point. Modified silecer. Extended mags in case I need. all hollow point bullets for everything. Two nickel plated 45s. Silenced and a whole bunch of platstique and detonators in case I need to create diversions or I have a crowd control problem. And a samurai sword sharpened to an 1/8th of a inch titanium, just for good measure because a baseball bat is too slow... oh and black nitrate gloves for grip and it makes me look cool.

Don't you know that Hollywood's version of the silencer ('phut') like a moderate breath, bears NO fucking relation to reality?<br /><br />Real silencers knock the sound from like 160 decibles down to like 120 or something. Guns are still fucking WAY loud.<br /><br />Maybe the Walking Dead team (comic and TV) knew this?

I've lived in Atlanta and in parts of rural Georgia. I've also lived in the north, in both rural and suburban areas. Everywhere I've lived I've known people to use the N-word in a derogatory fashion. AND, I've a seen a share of them up north with those big-ass redneck trucks too.
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So, I agree with some of my fellow Georgians that it sucks to always see an obligatory racist redneck in a show taking place in the south, but they *do* exist. The real problem is that you don't generally see them in shows that take place in other regions of the country. This is a real disservice to any national discussion on race and racism, because the south keeps getting picked on (and rightfully pissing them off), while many northerners keep floating around this unfounded sense of moral superiority...

but they're pretty common in metro-Atlanta: Cobb county (it may be affluent but there's a lot of old redneck money there), Cherokee county, Henry county, Paulding county, Rockdale county, Coweta, and Fayette.
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There's a lot of trucks in Gwinnett county, but that's because of all the Mexicans, not rednecks. Ha! I'm being racist too!

It's not that there is always a racist character and he always happens to be southern, I don't think. I think there are lots of movies that have basically anyone who nots a likable character be outwardly racist. it doesn't spark discussion because theres never a likable, or even complex and interesting, racist character for the most part. It's almost always written as if the character is racist and says the n-word a lot, he's just a bad, uneducated, piece of shit, and you'll have him, and he'll probably die. Or hes a charismatic villain, a la Nicholson in the departed. I think like the 4th or 5th word in that movie is the n-word. I think its just hard to make a complex, likable racist, who you find endearing and lovable, but is also intolerably racist and bigoted. I don't know, its probably been done once or twice.

Yes I know he was a small town sheriff, it was all wishful thinking. I knew there wouldn't be silencers in a police station. But as a sheriff in this situation, wouldn't you want suitable firepower, ain't no gun shop in this series? Or let me guess everything is gone anyways. LOL

I think I'd want shotguns and revolvers. Less chance of jamming, better chance of hitting something, especially when panicked. Molotovs might be good, though hard to transport. Hate to trip while running with glass bottles full of gasoline. Bladed weapon...katana, etc., for "silenced" weapon.

Yeah I'm about 3/4th into it. i did see when he grabbed the shotguns and rifles.
@ninja nerd yeah shotguns are awesome but too noisy... the sword is excellent. Best idea ever. But you gotta get a clean hit. Or use a big machette.

I am not familiar with the comic, but the expertly executed pilot grabbed me right away. Besides the obvious chills and thrills one would associate with a show about zombies, I was genuinely touched by the plight of Morgan Jones and his son. The sorrow was palpable when the poor dead wife and mother instinctively returned to her home and turned the doorknob as she tried to enter. Equally heartbreaking watching Jones struggle to find the resolve to put her down once and for all. Powerful stuff. And by the way -racists ARE ignorant, despicable turds, so no need to try to make them likeable. Complex, perhaps, but likeable - HELL NO!!!

Isn't the whole point of the slow zombies that they are a social commentary on the brainless masses. I mean Romero's Dawn of the Dead uses the shopping mall to portray mindless consumerism. By Day of the Dead they are showing basic intelligence as they begin to wake up and by Land of the Dead they are beginning to follow and it's all about rebellion. Romero's zombies are more than just shuffling carcasses. The Walking Dead takes that idea further where the zombies used to be real people and whilst you may be able to easily outwit a couple of them, a large mass of them become a real threat. So whilst the remake of Dawn of the Dead (which is very good) it has fast zombies which doesn't fit in with Romero's model whereas The Walking Dead does and is all the better for it.

...why the hell would AICN cover a cable news guy getting shit-canned? It has nothing to do with muppets or zombies or lasers or vampires or sci-fi or horror or fantasy or comics or anime, etc, etc, etc...<p>
There are plenty of other places to get Olberman news. There aren't that many places to get zombie news.

no way can you fire them enough or reload them quick enough, classic case of too much gun. Hi capacity 9mm is the key with several spare magazines. 9mm is the smallest caliber that can reliably penetrate a human skull and 9mm can be scrounged from a jillion sources, it's eveywhere.

Probabaly for a while before the zombie apocalypse (hense the mention in the first episode that his wife just wasn't there latley)<P> also, I'm thinking he flipped her over so he could stick it in her butt

There's no way he'll fuck any of you over down the line. Seriously, put a bullet in his brain and only comprise your group of rational non racist people<P>I did laugh at the "taco bender" line as well as "sugar tits"

He is going to be back on the air this coming Tuesday.<P>Oh, and zombies are boring. I can't believe people would waste their time watching yet another zombie-themed story.<P>Ummm...is the show good though?

No way the redneck dying this soon. I mean the series needs tension I guess.<p>Maybe the hispanic will get kill or something or the black guy?<p>We've seen 4 blacks already since episode 1 and for some shows that way too many.

Due to the nature of the Georgia setting. Expect to see more coming in the next season. Fans are eagerly awaiting the appearance of one very popular African-American female character. I'm not going to spoil it here the reasons why she's popular by describing her further.

and now their about to put his body juices on their coats!<p>Realistically, these people should be puking their guts out before they even drag in the corpse!<p>Love how everybody moaning while the axing, yet no one turning their head!

The thing I'm already wondering about with regard to the show is there are hardly any kids in it. The comic book had several kids in it, and Kirkman was never shy about showing what happens to most of them. I doubt we'll get such brutal, disturbing violence toward kids in this show (Rick shooting the zombie girl in the first scene of the pilot will probably be the extent of it).

The group of survivors in the department store looked like one of those file photos that colleges use to show off how diverse they are: Asian guy, Black woman, Latino guy, blonde woman, and white guy. And naturally you had the stereotypical racist southern guy who drops N-bombs and the stereotypical woman who says stuff like "Don't you think I can do it??" I hope the whole show isn't just going to be a bunch of stereotypical one-dimensional characters turning on each other.

Don't worry, the promo for episode #3 showed that the racist A-hole on the roof had a racist A-hole brother in the OTHER group of survivors (which also conveniently has the bitchy blond lady's sister). So the show will definitely have more riveting scenes where racist southern white guys can't get along with black guys. Should be great.

2nd episode was entertaining. I feel like they keep referencing other horror material when they film this show. The opening shot with the girl walking reminded me of Cabin Fever..there's another shot with rick zombie walking while dragging that ax that reminded me of a film but I can't remember what it was. *stoner moment*

...and fuck your semi-intelligent, screaming, sprinting, tool using, fence climbing zombies.
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there are so many things this show has gotten right, specifically casting (Glenn and Dale are spot on for me) and I also appreciate that the series trying to tell a different story than the book, but damn this episode was awful.
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"Organ donor" should have been played for laughs. Instead I found myself laughing AT the line rather than WITH it. Way too much cheese and melodramatic dialog throughout.
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I liked the first episode with only a few exceptions: the tease at the start with Rick at the gas station completely blew any tension for his plight after he wakes up in the hospital, and showing that Lori and Carl lived spoils any suspense for his journey.
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I expected so much better given the source material and the talent of the cast and crew involved with this.

The zombies never ran in the comic...characters even talked extensively about how slow they are. I love the show so far, I really do, but it's hard not to compare it to the comic on a shot by shot basis

Come on guys, the show has a tough fight to make its own mark on the genre that inspired it: they're mixing slow / fast based on the zombie's relative "health-freshness", hunger, and motivation. What's wrong with the zombies showing moderate variation in speed / individual infection morbidities?

slow zombies are alot easier to do in the comic than in motion picture. All the fast zombie movies (28 days, Dawn remake, Zombieland) have raised audience expectations and altered the zombie fear factor. Slow zombies are a hard sell (tangentially: at a halloween party last weekend i struck up conversation with a dude dressed as a "zombie hunter" about this tv series, and said I was glad they were going with slow zombies. He said his preference was to have zombies that are fast at first, and then become slow. That way the "infection" would spread quickly and become pandemic, wiping out the population. but after that they would become slow. And he had a good point, as a Night of the Living Dead scenario zombie event would probably never reach pandemic levels.) The zombies work in the comics because they are static images and panels, and it is easier to just show zombies suddenly appearing from the shadows or creeping up on the survivors. I understand that the tv show has to make some concessions to make the zombies frightening and menacing to modern audiences conditioned to sprinting ghouls. So I don't mind the rock wielding zombie, or the fence climber. I actually said out loud "Holy shit they can climb the fence!!" tonight. Also I wholeheartedly agree with the talkbacker who said the slowness of zombies is a crucial part of the social commentary and satire that has always been at the heart of the best zombie fiction.

finished watching Episode 2 but don't get what was the slow-mo CGI shot Herc was referring to...and what was the 'big reveal' he also mentioned...one thing that didn't make sense in the pilot was how come everyone in the entire hospital was killed or transformed except for Rick...is this just a loophole in order to start the story or do they explain this in the comics?

Im not a fan of the slow-lumbering zombie as compared to the scary as fuck fast zombie but this show is doing them quite well. That horse scene really creeped me out. I dont call 6 eps a season though its more like a mini-series.
oh the dragging axe was in Resident Evil. The guy in The Crazies used a pitch fork.

What came first, movie or the comic? I think comic came first, but the part in comic where they use zombie juices to mask themselves came in one of later [relatively] issues. Can anyone help me out on this one?

Notes from tonight:
1) Let's talk the sheriff's deputy into leaving the tank and running through a horde of zombies instead of first trying to see if he can figure out how to start and drive the tank and do some massive squishing and blasting!
2) Let's hide from the zombies in the woods where the thick tree and shrub cover is right around our impenetrable RVs and tents so we can't see any zombies coming until they're right on top of us!
3) Let's send the token "woman with an attitude" out in the woods alone to pick the all-important mushrooms without any weapon to protect herself! "Just call if you need help and I'll come running," I believe she was told. "Fuck you, get your own fucking mushrooms or give me a fucking gun," would be my response.
4) We're so worried about the zombies breaking into the department store that we keep standing right in front of the windows where they can see us and get all worked up into smashing through the glass.
5) Psycho Rooker beat us and held weapons on us and told us the races should be kept separate. Let's keep him alive for shits and grins!
Otherwise, good show. I just wish writers would think a bit more logically about what they're writing about, or that producers and directors would hold them to a higher standard.

Truthfully I liked the mixed of fast/slow zombie. I just don't want to see the zombies running at top speed!<p>A nice pace is better due to stiffness but as the body decay, no matter what they eat, they should be slow.

They could put a spin on the prison fences...I mean they're a lot taller, have barbed wire, etc. But I see your point. Also, only one zombie scaled the fence, so maybe he was just special. I've been reading the comics...so fucking intense. There is no way the show will follow the comics completely because there is shit in those books that you just cant' get away with on tv. Anyway, I really do hope they use the prison and Woodbury storyline.

I just caught up all the way to issue 78 this past week. They will never be able to pull all that stuff off...it will be the first tv show ever to kill that many characters beloved or otherwise. I just want to see if Andrew Lincoln, and every other actor has the chops necessary to portray the emotions displayed in the comic in almost every issue

No sloppiness or staggering whatsoever! Hell, even I would've had a harder time climbling the that fast!<p>I think that scene needed to be re-shot or scrapped altogether! Just something that sticks out and could hurt future plotlines if the writers forget!

* The horrifying CGI shot was apparently the key falling down the hole, which wasn't horrifying in any way and wtf knows that Herc was thinking.<BR>
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* The reveal at the beginning I guess was revealing that Rick's wife was sleeping with his old partner, which was kind of implied last week, so wtf knows that Herc was thinking on that.<BR>
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* I kind of thought the reason Rick didn't get eaten was because his hospital room door was barricaded shut (by accident) by a bed wedged against it, making it easier to go eat someone else than to try to break into a room from which no noise was emenating and the smell of the living was overpowered by the smell of an untended body lying in one place for months (or however long). That might be a little bit of a stretch, but that's how I read it when he left his room, and it worked enough for me.

I hate that she's banging Shane, in the comic, she rejected his advances except for some "mysterious night" where she broke down and did something with him (but she regrets it). In the TV show, she's a total whore.

But so far it seems to me to be a stretch of cheesy writing and acting with a few cool scenes here and there. Also, several of the zombies are cheesy instead of scary or threatening. They need to slap more corpse like makeup on them and use scarier sounds. Anyway, those are my opinions. I don't hate the show and do plan on watching the whole season, but I just want to love it on a Lost or Deadwood level. I'm a big Darabount fan too. Even liked most of his Indy 4 script.

If you factor in pre-production process, then it is most likely none was inspired by another, just a case of following same train of thought [how to escape a horde of zombies] and ending up with same idea.<p>
I too recently went re-read earlier issues and the whole Prison-Woodsbury arc been high point. Awaiting things to get even more frantic in Washington, looks too good to be true.

OK, I'm paraphrasing, but...
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"Zombies aren't that dangerous. They're slow. They're dumb. Their only strength is in numbers. If we'd all just band together, they wouldn't be a threat. But the human race just can't do it. In every one of the Living Dead movies, it's always the people who really do each other in, not the zombies. The zombies are just a force of nature."
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I still prefer that take on it. Plus, IMO, a slow, shuffling zombie with its guts hanging everywhere just creeps me out on a pure visceral level more than watching one running around and screaming like a nut at a riot.

Please tell me Tyrese isn't in this episode. If not, then Merle, Jackie and him are new characters.
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The fence thing is a huge problem... As others have said, will the prison be scrapped?
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No Carol or twins. Those story lines probably too offensive for basic cable.

... but watching that clip up top, I noticed that Laura Holden has her finger on the trigger for each shot except one very obvious one right before the guy says, "or pull the trigger." Maybe it was intentional... I don't know. But if you're super pissed and pointing a gun at someone... having your finger off the trigger doesn't really get your point across. Oh, and Rick's wife is a slut.

It's really not as good as the comics, but to be fair the comics didn't get truly great until after Rick established himself as leader of the band of survivors. I was hoping they'd dispense with the Shane storyline over the first 3 episodes and wind up the first season with them making it to the prison.
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I'm not sure if they'll even do the prison now, and revealing that Rick's family is alive and his wife has been happily fucking his ex partner in the first episode was just anticlimactic. This was a good episode, but I feel the show can get better.

The convergence (fuckin' brutal) was evinced on Election Day. Pelosi is an insatiable zombie (eating taxpayers' dollars for her air and limo service, et al). THE WALKING DEAD sticks to Romero's 1960s template of platitudes (women & blacks=all nice and underprivileged, military=bad, southeners=racist rednecks). I don't deny there's plenty of prejudice kindling in the psyche of all races. But appending racism in adherence to Romero's tedious tract, it's abused as a cosmetic "character" trait and predictable stereotype.

I can see her feeling guilty about Shane and pretending she wasn't all for it, but we've already seen that she's skipping off to the woods for a quick lay just a few short months after her husband was left for dead.

After I just said that I generally think the book's better written, there are a couple of things I like better about the TV writing so far:
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Not only are we seeing Rick emerge as a leader, we're seeing WHY others would follow him. He's brave, clever, cares about others, and he's got the will to do the unpleasant shit that has to be done but others (like Morgan) just lack the guts to do. Very subtle way of building to his eventual position as leader.
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I also like how this contrasts with Shane, even though I hate the reveal this early. He's in charge now, but the way he was so willing to abandon half of his group in the city and be so emotionally tone deaf about it to their loved ones has already shown that he's in over his head and couldn't lead a game of Risk, much less a bunch of shell shocked strangers through the apocolypse. That was another subtle bit of foreshadowing that I really liked. The contrast is already there.
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I don't recall any of that in the comic at this early stage.

If the series is supposed to go off in other directions, we don't know if any of this is going to happen. It's like a person watching the first 2 eps of Dexter and talking about spoilers from the books that never happened once the series took on a life of its own.

2nd ep was INTENSE!!!!
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Shortround was pretty ill, I like how he used his asian powers and had a plan worked out for checking out the sewer. u know in real life before the outbreak he was a poker player! PINCHES OF PERIL! SAVED BY MY PINCHES OF PERIL!
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LOL why was the black dude wearing early 90s clothing? karl kani ripoffs and puff daddys meatball hats and shit. 90s black got his ass whooped by that racist cracka. u can tell dude was supposed to be hella uneducated too. stuttering unsure scary ass unemployed nigga. I bet I played modern warfare 2 with dude. he probably online now and shit.
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and maaan WTF@ THIS bitch:
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looking like a zombie her GOT damn self. wtf was the point of this shit? ahahaall the other humans look human, but they took actual footage from katrina and found themselves a real life black zombie here.
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and while the other black chick isnt ugly, she aint attractive either. like I wouldnt ask her to the apple blossom ball or nothing, ya know? and by work at a planning office she meant answer the phones. ahahaha so the living black women are 0/2 so far in looks.
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ROFL white chick is playing dumb "would it be looting if i took this shit?" knowing damn well she been looting her ass off. cop is like nah...ur WHITE. white people find stuff, black people loot. so take it bitch!
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wearing the people skins was awesome. Im thinking, why didnt they all do this shit? besides, that back door seemed to always be clear, looked like they woulda been fine. ROFL@ the rain, WHAT AN AMAZING COINCIDENCE! the 3 minute time frame that YOU decide to wear people guts and walk down a street covered with the undead, God decides to open his toilet and piss on your face. still, very fucking fun moment. Shortround moaning back to that one zombie bitch was hilarious.
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they didnt skimp on the asian moments either. of COURSE they put his ass in a cherry red sports car! FASS AND NA FUWEUS ZOMBIE DWIFF! He couldnt stop cheesing, could he?
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and yea, constantly surprised faced sarah from prison break getting dicked down a few weeks later from her husband disappearing is killing me. i mean, her reasoning will be that she just needed to take her mind off the fact that ZOMBIES WERE EVERYWHERE, but ole boy....he been wanting to fuck her for years probably. Zombie Apocalypse or not he was feenin for some of that ass. Yo her tits looked pitiful tho, didnt they? Cheap ass hannah montana titty sized bra, how embarassing.
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all in all, fun ass hour of tv. was on the edge of my seat the whole time, wondering who was gonna get it, and was surprised not even the useless mexican got dragged out at the last second. this shit is like watching Left 4 Dead: The Series. I absolutely love it.

Seriously, the key falling into the hole was HORRIFYING? It MADE the show for you?? It is this kinda riveting insight that makes me think any random person can just call themselves a tv critic nowadays. Goodness fucking gracious.

look, we understand there is a comic book with the same basic story. are you fucking fags gonna run in here every single week and whine about the differences EVERY FUCKING TIME?
<p>Negative know it all nancy boys. Ironic glasses and shit. And Im willing to bet you arent even being film school douche baggy, (like me) yall are just whiny nerds with that shit. shut the fuck up about the comic already. OH NO SHORTROUND DIDNT HAVE THE ICONIC PINSTRIP YANKEES HAT THE SHOW IS HORRIBLE STOP THIS PLEASE!
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friggen queers. just enjoy the got damn show, this is brilliant tv that we are seeing. There has never been anything like this in tv history, just shut the fuck up kick back and relish in it.

calm down, man. compared to a lot of talkbacks for things with revered source material, people are being pretty civil here. mostly, it's just speculation about what storylines will survive from the comic, and how what we've seen so far will affect things.<p>honestly, did you read the talkback? or just scan for a few keywords so you could type your prepackaged rant...<p>oh, and before you go after me, I have never read a comic book in my life. I'm loving the show so far.<p>one last thing, I know you mean to sound tough by using the word "fag", but it really just makes you sound like a middle school bully. takes the wind out of your sails for any reasonable argument you might make after it.

A chain mail suit on top of two neoprene wet suits. Plastic Ski boots to keep the ankle and lkeg area safe. A bikers helmet with a modified plastic neck brace for the head and neck.
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based on the first two episodes, the role of Kate's confused vagina from LOST is going to be played by Rick's cheating wife. Shame they don't have Carol in the show, I've read the first 25 issues of the comic and she tries to sleep with everyone, including both Rick and his wife.
Also, as for the negative stereotype of racist rednecks in the south, I have to say this: I'm a northerner, and you do run into a few blatant racists now and then, but after living in South Carolina for the past year I have found it to be incredibly common here. It's scary how casually/openly racist people I meet here are after speaking with them for less than 5 minutes. I've met plenty of nice, normal folks here as well, but the amount of ignorant racist shit I hear on a regular basis is unbelievable. It may be a stereotype, but there's at least some truth to it.

It suffered a bit from the same cringeworthy elements of your stereotypical Stephen King survivors tale. I had a bad feeling when I saw this group; I knew they would be eliciting some winces from me, beginning with the black guy being named T-Dog. And, as someone mentioned above, the strong, indignant feminist constantly thinking her strength is being questioned, and the racist hick. All that was missing was an overzealous bible thumper preaching about the end times. There was one likeable newcomer from this group--the comical asian guy, which is another stereotype but one that worked well in this episode. And, now that someone mentioned it, it is glaringly odd that Rick has never questioned anyone about the origin of the walkers. If the show is aiming to focus on human emotion rather than cheap thrills, which in episode one it succeeded brilliantly at, then this question should at least be addressed. Still, episode two was better than anything else on this fine Sunday evening. Episode three looks really good.

... and I really DO love the show ... but that scene of Rick running from the tank reminded me of "Dead Rising 2" for some reason.<p></p>
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All Vito Corleone an' shit

We are fine as long as those 2 walls of glass hold up. Dang, a zombie finally found out how to use a rock. But wait, the second should hold up long enough to barely keep them from grabbing our ankles during our escape. Plus the rain... I miss the realism of the first episode.

As soon as he flipped her over, I imediatly thought she was taking it in the butt, the thought of doggy style never croseed my mind..I went straight for the butt sex.<P>Not sure what that says about me, but good to see i'm not the only one that thought that's what we were seeing

When sheriff rick hands the black guy the cuffs key- then the guys who are staying run up to the roof- they burst out onto the roof and magically the black guy's already there in the same exact sprawled spot where he was in a previous scene sitting across from Michael Rooker. Then he shows Rooker the key he got from the sheriff. Horrendous editing. Overall I thought this episode was a huuuge drop in quality from the stellar pilot. I'm not liking this kid who looks exactly like an older Short Round either- his acting is pretty bad. Hopefully this picks back up next week.

was equally as lazy- how they break through only when everyones ready to go. Meanwhile when Rick and the girl in the camp's sister are downstairs there's a guy with a break easily smashing through the outer doors- did it take that zombie like an hour to smash through the next one? And why is it that most of these survivors have close relatives waiting for them in the camp (we se in the preview for next episode that michael rooker's brother is in the camp too)? Lazy writing- that's why. If this is all out of the graphic novel then I'm starting to wonder why they didn't just write their own stories. The rain (which didn't wash off much of anything) was lazy writing too- you're gonna tell me these zombies can smell their skin through the heavy rain? I'm sorry but not only did the rain not wash the shit off their clothes but subtle scents don't carry through heavy rain. Let's not have this last episode's director back- terrible all around.

the zombies only run or climb fences when the it's convenient- seemed every scene this episode had a glaring hole or token character. I hate to say it but maybe this is why AMC didn't reup this right away. Maybe they know the five episodes following the great pilot suck wild ass. This pains me as I was hoping for another AMC classic. Second episode already ruined this for me. It's true that the first episode wasn't the most original thing but it was done so well it could've stood up as a one shot film if it had a clear ending. I refuse to be an apologist just because the pilot was so strong. I'm starting to see how tired this can become as a series.

the inconsistent, variable-speed, occasionally fence-jumping Frank Darabont zombies for as many episodes as I can get - you all can whine about the weak spots and the admittedly stereotypical character setup. I'll still take this show over anything else that's on TV for four more weeks.
Hate Shane though. I know I'm not supposed to like him but that is one flat character (or maybe its the actor) - like a frat boy crossed with a misogynist.

was the Asian guy flinging the Challenger around like it was a Dodge commercial. Everyone knows Asians are shitty drivers! LOL Only in WD and Tokyo Drift movies...<p><p>But seriously, his character needs to be a bit more consistent; is he a crafty survivor, or the big pussy in the smearing scene?<p><p>I don't like the infidelity plot, and it's disappointing to hear that it wasn't present in the original material. And, I suppose Lennie James' character must have given the Deputy quite the zombie education, cause it seems he went from completely oblivious in the pilot to quite the expert in the 2nd episode.<p><p>It's still very enjoyable, however, and I hope the writing gets better. Too bad AMC only ordered six episodes to start, which probably won't allow them to "flesh" out all the characters seen so far within the time frame, never mind ones who have yet to appear. Nice of AMC to repeat Breaking Bad at midnight, starting with the 1st season!

People bashing this show need to fuck off. Zombie films have never really made sense, and it seems like ever non romero film makes up it's own rules but thats what makes them fun and this show is some damn good fun<P>Zombies in this world just aren't that bright, of course it would take them an hour to break through glass and as for the fence climbing, they had just seen the other two characters do it and it was likely just mimickry. It doesn't mean they can all do it and likely the ones that did climb the fence forgot how to do it 30 seconds later, it's not like they went back to zombie HQ and drafted a training program to teach the other zombies how to climb fences.<P> haters gotta stop hating and enjoy the fact that we get Tv shows as good as this rather then another laugh track riddled charlie sheen sitcom or reality TV show

and bitch each week. Damn I hate talkbackers like you. There is never anything good about a show. The only thing you can do is sit on the sidelines and bitch. You will never write, director or edit anything in your life. You will never do anything exciting in your life, so you must bitch about the silliest things.

but yes, is getting a little over-cheesy and stereotyped, and Lori is nothing like the comic. Let´s hope it gets better,we get to see Michonne (and they make her like Saeko Busujima from high school of the dead), and they use the story lines with the prison, the governor, and the cannibal hunters...

the issue with t-dog and the racist on the roof- t-dog still being in his 'beat up' position, even though we'd just seen him fine in the smearing scene. they obviously shot all of the roof scenes at once regardless to when they appeared in the story, and somebody (the director) wasn't thinking about what to do with t-dog.

it happened before they got to the camp. You can't judge this thing on two episodes alone, the series is just getting started. Michonne, Glenn and Tyreese are my favorite characters of the group. This thing is just getting started. It cant be fireworks each and every episode. Sometimes we will get broad strokes, sometimes we wont. There's more than 70 comics in this series, theres so much story, we are still going through the chess piece part of the story- Showing who everyone is how they fit in. It's so early in right now. No time for judging just yet.

Fuck are you talking about? I LOVED the pilot. Had nothing to bitch about that week. Funny how you say I'll continue to watch each week too- you know me so well. If this show keeps up like the last episode then I'll gladly tune out. Just two weeks ago I stopped watching a show for good (Bored to death- flat out sucks). As for writing, editing, directing- I've done all three. nothing professional and nothing I get paid for mind you (my main field is music)- but you really don't know what the fuck you're going on about- do you? The ONLY threads I gladly "troll" (troll meaning that I'm not or never was a fan of the material being discussed yet pop up steadily in the threads to take steaming dumps) are the Star Wars threads because it's fun watching apologists crap their diapers. Again- you cunt- I loved the pilot and even said so in my above posts. "bitch each week"- I know I had typos above but my thoughts weren't that illegible that you should go wildly overboard like a blooming fucking jackass. I'll continue to watch. Right. You'll continue to read my words raping your face.

I'm wondering if they were doing the deed before he was shot. We know Rick's marriage was in trouble and probably not far from colapse, and his buddy in the squad car would get to hear alll about it, and maybe thought about making a douche friend move and go after his buddies wife while she was vulnerable.

that was such a glaring editing mishap with the black guy on the roof and you're right- that's exactly what it was- embarrassing. Boardwalk Empire had a similar out-the-gate incredible pilot but though the production scope came down a bit in the following episodes the editing remains stellar. It really is a shame to see so many holes in this second episode- and though Darabont didn't direct this episode I'm assuming he oversaw most of the decisions. A huge drop in quality. Thankfully for AMC there'll always be lifeless twats like ParisSun to continue watching if it keeps going downhill.

Running vs. Walking: I have not problems with the zombies running early on. It makes logical sense that freshly minted zombies would still have the motor skills and abilities to run before degredation. As the show goes on, I hope we see more slow moving zombies due to decay. At the same time, any new zombie will have strenght and speed. They are not 28 Days or NOLD remake fast, so no biggie. I don't think it's a reach at all that the zombies can turn a knob, pick up an object or climb. People are basing their expections off the zombie genre. I would ask people why shouldn't a zombie be able to climb? Hell, a crawling baby can pull itself up on a sofa. Zombies display basic motor skills and some ability to use tools. What's keeping them from being able to go over a fence? The thought the episode was pretty good, didn't like the race stuff. Seemed unnecessary and I'm a black guy. I live in Atlanta as well. I haven't come across overt racism in 20 years. It exists but it's rare to catch anyone being that open about it. It's early but I'm so optimistic about this show. Bring on Tyrese and Michonne.

10 In the comic, shane is trying to make his relationship with Lori stronger, because he was always hot for her, and her and Rick were having some problems. But she is fighting it for the most part. and Shane actually is like a Mysoganist frat boy.
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Carol who is not in the show has been merged with Laurie because Carol was afraid of being alone and wanted someone to protect her and her kids. Her story gets eird in the comics. And tragic. So Laurie is mixed with her. A woman alone having to protect her kid whose husband as far as she knows has been dead for at least 2 monthes of Zombie time and was in a coma for an indetermanent amount of time before hand.
so really she is not a slut, just a woman who is not totally self sufficiant.
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Shane will be dead next episode very likely. He doesn't like that Rick is still alive.
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2)Angry blonde woman with the gun as you guys called her is the actual Female lead. she becomes much stronger as the show goes on. she is one of the few original survivors throughout the entire series.
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3) Glenn, The Asian guy is exactly like he is in the comics. He is a pussy. but he also knows that someone has to do the stuff needed to get supplies He always makes snarky jokes to cover up his fear. Just like he tried to do with the Organ Doner statement which fell flat for the others who were simply shocked to find themselves watching a body get chopped up. Since obviously they didn't take part in that kind of thing before the zombie apocalypse.
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4) Stereotypes are based on reality. In reality you would have a mish mash of different types of people banding together to survive. And as far as family members being alive, It makes sense that you would join up with someone whom you knew what to expect from them. plus its likely that some families would be together in that situation.
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5) The reason the survivors are hiding in the woods at the top of a mountain is because its safer than the city which has about 10 million dead zombies roaming around each one of them. At least in the woods you would hear them and also see them coming at a distance. you will encounter some out there, but it would be rarer than in a city.
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9) Quite complaining about spoilers, just go buy the TPB's and support Kirkmans great creation.
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10) while I was a bit miffed at the fence climbing zombie, but I can buy the idea that the more freshly dead could maybe do it but those further along would not be able to. I mean if you really get down to it, Zombies could not move because rigermortis would set in within an hour after the stop of blood flow.
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bottom line, this show is great and I seriously hope they get to run it for a couple of years.

the mention of marriage problems in the pilot was a dead give away, but also notice how they seem to hide their relationship from the rest of the camp, almost as if they were so used to hiding it in real life before the Zombies invasion. I'm also thinking that the friend is the real bad guy here, he probabaly used the inside info from rick about marriage problem to make hismove, and likely it was him that decided they should leave without rick (possibly he lied to the wife and son that rick was dead)

for those who think "Hey - just start driving the tank!" It's just a big car right? Anyone can get in and make it go. Re: fence jumping zombies could have been avoided by just having the mass of zombie weight cause the fence to give way. While I agree on the roof editing and it confused me how he was downstairs then radioing on the roof, I'll suspend my disbelief because as I stated above - that was one helleva hour of television.

I got a DVT in my leg a few years back. I got superficial clots in that leg a few days before I got that DVT. It was the most pain I've ever felt in my entire life, walking was near impossible on the second day. Dead bodies don't circulate blood. All those muscles starved of blood, the cramping the rigor setting in.
<P> 28 days later was not an animated dead zombie flick. It was a virus. So the running bit was believable. Were the dawn zombies actual zombies. Sorry only watched it once. Did we have any scenes were they were shot and surely dead but they still came back?
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double and single digit zombies are dangerous in close quarters. These zombies can only die when the brain is destroyed. If you are trapped in an elevator with one of them and you don't have a weapon you are shit outta luck.
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I can only accept fast if it's a virus, reanimation only happens after death, when all the circulatory stuff ends. And clots and the muscle cramps they cause friggin hurt like hell.

if you know what happens to lori later and since this seems to be the only time they did this, becuase of how she reacted to the neckalace, and you cant go from back to front again without washing off cause it can cause an infection. I dont want to spoil but I dont think so. unless we get a flash back sex scene that matches the one in the comics.

People suggesting they should've just offed the racist guy.... yeah ok guys, you're real macho.
Hopefully most of you are thinking in 'show logic', rather than 'real life logic', but it still makes you sound retarded.
One thing I was kinda surprised at is how the show already got an immediate 'downgrade'. Episode 1 was done by Darabont, Episode 2 wasn't-- and it showed in a pretty painful way. Definitely looked more 'tv show'. Ah well, guess that's to be expected.

Leave him tied up and expose him to the zombie virus, then you can safely watch him transform and learn all kinds of stuff sbout it, like how long it take to infect, what sort of motor skill remain.<P>I suppose there wasn't much time for that with all the zombies headed their way, but they should have at least taken his clothes and left him there to be fucked by the zombies

- before dividing up the episodes among directors of varying quality. the editing of what the director shot in episode 2 was bad. <br> good points about episode 2: shovel to the face zombie, zombies on street getting some close up shots that showed the effects. <br> bad things about this episode: stupid behavior beyond that of people in shock or surviving. i'd like to know how some of these stupid people made it this far in the month or so of the outbreak. let's freak out about the store dorrs breaking but not make any attempt to board them up, or even push some counters in front of them, which would at least keep them from being pushed open, even if the zoms crawled through the upper glass, it'd buy time. T-dog acted innocent about dropping the key, but he knows damn well he knocked over a hacksaw and could have left the racist guy with it. the hacking up of the zombie went on beyond its storytelling need. it wasn't even gory anymore, but it wasn't funny either. you could have chopped off a whole minute- no pun intended. the survivors in the woods- i still don't know anything to make me concerned about them. the wife has no character whatsoever. no one asks any questions or philosophizes about why the dead are walking. everyone else may be 'used to it' and have exhausted the questions long ago, but rick should not be acting like it's not that odd, just an obstacle. what happened to rick's grenade?

Needs more characterization, so that the horror goes deeper. Racially, pretty good, except for the typical trope of a single white racist dominating four minorities (black woman, black male, a hispanic male and an Asian male)--and only the heroic white guy thinks of hitting him from behind. Wow. ONLY a white filmmaker would stack the deck like that, and only white audiences would buy it. But, that's the world as we have it. Darabount has issues, but they aren't huge ones, thank God. Enjoying the show.

strangely the episode last night was directed by someone who's directed multiple episodes of breaking bad- which has always been consistent and brilliant. This director must not give two shits about Darabont's silly little zombie show

Cause I agree that right now she has little character development going on, besides knowing how to tell if a berry is poisonous and possibley taking it in the butt<P>Those two things don't really have me invested in her at all

Compared to the great zombie films of the last decade, this simply doesn't measure up. I had serious doubts when they ripped off the opening from 28DL. I'm watching the show, but am way short of impressed.

Shane flipped her over to get it in from behind so he can more easily get his rocks off. Anal sex? Ass to mouth? Layoff the porn for a while. And zombot: I thought Rick was going to use the grenade to blow apart the sewer grate to get into the tunnels. But I suppose they figured there were zombies already in the sewers and it wasnt worth the risk.

ZOMBOT- I completely agree, it's always been a real bonerkiller when characters simply don't ask questions that any reasonable person would ask, just so the plot can be advanced. When characters start to seem incredibly stupid, I cease to care whether they live or die, and that's the end of it. This is why I can't really get into a lot of horror, but also why when horror films are done well I love them to bits. One of the best things about the original DOTD is the fact that the survivors are made up of smart people, not necessarily namby-pamby intellectual types, just rational, thinking people. The ones that don't last are the ones that make stupid mistakes. This show has now taken a serious detour from the source material, which is a shame. The first episode was such gold, this one just seemed a bit dumb.

...two very different approaches I know. 'Zombie juice rubbing' happened within the first six issues onezeroone, before 'Shaun' although I prefer the way it was handled on the tv show better. You just wouldn't go to that extreme unless it was a truly desperate situation like escaping the horde
in town. In the books, Rick and Glenn do it to get INTO town for
weapons at a gun shop.

Ok which one of you mods recommended that Movie? cause i want 90 minutes of my life back.it was too slowed paced and there were no real story there. just when you think the french got it right with the horde, comes this underwhelming 28 days/weeks later ripoff.Dead Snow is much better as well as Dead Set.<p>Speaking of which, I wont hold any high hopes for the Dead rising film, which i will watch tonight, unless i'm dumb enough to wait outside in the cold for CoD Black Ops midnight release. XD

The comic's author addressed this... he'd written it before 28DL came out. Secondly, both of them came behind "Day of the Triffids" by better than 50 years, so if if you're going to do the hipster cynic's rip off shtick (Marathoner, I'm looking at you), at least get your shit right. Thirdly, after the pilot, I rewatched the opening of 28DL for comparisons sake. Now I think 28DL is a neat little film, but TWD ran circles around it with the atmospherics and details. There was no carnage that would be obvious from a zombie apocalypse in 28DL. The hospital and city were simply abandoned with a bit of trash littered around. TWD's landscape looked like the aftermath of a zombie apocalypse. 28DL looked like they didn't have the budget to get it right.

Hispter cynicism without accurate context = fail. Also 28DL had a budget, even if it was shot on a crappy video camera. They blew up a gas station, rented out a jet and had aerial shots... so the lack of budget isn't an excuse for the lack of detail in their version of the scene.

that not everyone has read or is invested in the books.<p><p>I think some of the criticism here comes about because of that; while it isn't necessary to indulge in the type of expository usually found in a lesser show, the writing could still stand to have a more even flow.<p><p>It's been helpful to see those who have read the books address some of the comments.<p><p>Those explanations help, but the writing of the show still needs to stand on its own, and on that count, there is room for improvement, esp. since the series ostensibly isn't so much about the zombies or gore, but about the dynamics of the survivors.<p><p>Perhaps that's due to the short season. But, it's still early, so we'll see. That's not hatred, just critique.<p><p>As for the complaints about the direction, the pilot did have a cinematic quality about it, this episode not so much. It is a bit puzzling since Michelle MacLaren has proven herself to be a pretty decent director with Breaking Bad. The editor definitely changed, but it's not clear who served as DP.

would have no problem with these zombies... They could not break his skin with their teeth and obviously could not pose any serious threat to infect him.
In fact, he could just fly up above them and incinerate them all with his heat vision.
I like Superman.

even if somehow infected zombie blood got in Superman's mouth or eyes, I'm betting his yellow-sun enhanced Kryptonian blood cells would eradicate the zombie virus anyway....
Which is why Kal-El couldn't get the clap or AIDS... even if he banged every nasty whore between here Metropolis and Bangkok! (which he LITERALLY could)

I like the fast "rage" zombies, but overall the slow, shambling undead are more interesting to me. I think the best compromise between the two would be to have the newly reanimated zombies be a bit faster in movement and thinking (maybe their brains aren't fully mush just yet), while the ones that have been undead for longer are the slow shambling and rotted ones.<P>As for silencers, they wouldn't work in real life, although, in a film with walking corpses, I don't see the problem with using that Hollywood myth. <P>Otherwise, a flechette firing type of rifle would be a possible approach to having a gun while maintaining silence and stealth. Or how about robotic drone devices that an operator could remote operate and use a loud weapon to kill zombies with?<P>Also, I never understood why fire isn't used in zombie films/books as a possible weapon. Sure it might not take them down right away, but if you used a flamethrower and spammed the zombies with fire, they'd eventually burn to just about nothing. I mean, especially if you were in a tank or armored vehicle and could blast a wave of fire down on them.<P>Of course, miniguns aimed at head height would seem to take down a mass of walking dead as well. You'd just have to individually take down the crawlers and the few that got through the initial barrage.

Point well taken about Wolverine... but you must concede the point- Wolverine is no Superman!
But like I said, even if there was the slightest possibility that Superman could be infected, all he has to do is eat, sleep and kill zombies from about 15 feet off the ground and there is nothing even chain link fence climbing zombies could do about it!
Or just sit up on the moon and zap the muther fuckas!

maybe introducing Oliver Queen or Robin Longstride as a new character could work. Also maybe a telepath a la Charles Xavier to try to read a zombie mind to see if there are any actual thoughts present. Lastly, throw in a speedster and stretchy guy like Plastic Man and we got ourselves a show!

Yes, I agree that Superman would easily be able to just hover in mid-air forever and snipe every last zombie with his heat vision. That's also what Neo SHOULD have done to all the cloned agents in Matrix 2 instead of wasting time with martial arts once he discovered his new powers. He could have just as easily hovered in mid-air and sniped them all down with a simple flick of his wrist.

God I can't stand dale, even the most arrogant skinhead would put his personal prejudices aside and stay alive. Glenn is awesome. Dodge challenger with black racing stripes awesome, now if Glenn would disconnect the alarm horn. LOL
The wife is an whore and partner is a scumbags opportunist! I hope Rick bangs hot blonde.

The thing is, I really like this show and I generally enjoy most slow zombie stuff but it all has a built in requirement that somebody at some point in the story has to do something totally, unbelievably stupid in order to advance the plot. Viewing this I find myself constantly looking for the character who's going to make with the stupid and get people killed.

Another plus for bow and arrow: relatively silent compared to firearms, and retrievable projectiles. But not so great when surrounded by hordes of the undead. And Superman is just a glitch in the Matrix.

would cause enough damage to destroy a zombie brain. Paris Hilton was shot through the head with a a bow and arrow on a hunting accident when she was 5 (Google it), and she is still able to function for the most part...
although, it could account for her cameo role in Mike Myer's The Cat in the Hat movie.

Yes, but if handled well by the storyteller, a human mistake can be more than merely a plot point. It can be character development, a twist, or a thematic turn that illuminates human nature.<P>Isn't the fact that we, as humans, make mistakes, part of the recurring theme in most zombie stories? The undead horde might be stupid, but they don't really make mistakes because they are dumb enough to not be able to be judged in the same way a still living thinking human being can be judged on competence.<P>The undead's weakness is their lack of intelligence, but ours is the fact that we might crack up or become careless, and that is when they get their rotten hands on us.

Hell yeah I love that LOST is still being mentioned and talked about! (the greatest story ever on TV) but i couldnt remember who Dale is cause you said is Locke, and fuck you very much coco its people like you who will find anything to bitch and complain about just because you didnt approve of it, just like paris said. and if your reading its this comment who is fucking your face and cumming in your mouth you fucker! stay away from lost stay away from the dead and stay away from break bad we dont need you or your kind!

People think that months have gone by on the show, but if you think about it, Rick couldn't have survived for more than about 2 weeks in that hospital bed without fluids. He would've also been sitting in a rank diaper that would've given him bedsores. So I'm thinking the real total time since the zombie outbreak is only about a month or so, not the 4-6 months that some people think. Which makes Rick's wife an even bigger anal ho.

Flamethrowers wouldn't be all that great if zombies were closing in on you. It wouldn't slow them down, and more than likely you would be burned by them before being eaten.
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I mean, T-Dog? That was the best they could do?

Assuming that these fuckers don't really feel pain anymore, you really want to deal with flaming zombies coming at you? Also you end up risking starting an even bigger fire in an area with buildings, and destroying valuable resources. Not to mention the smoke that gets created that makes it even easier for zombies to sneak up on you! From the confines of a tank fire might be ok, but otherwise I don't think it's a great way to attack the undead.

What's up with that, anyway? Still getting made? Are zombies the new vampires?
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how many people are reading the book? I can't wait to see the 'herd'. The one Z-phenomenon that has been referenced a few times but we haven't seen yet. I'm imagining thousands of zombies tearing through that little town they've built like a hurricane. Any death predictions? My money is on either Andrea or Glenn finally biting it.

useless?? Even if it takes a head shot to "kill" them, If you blow them into 50 pieces, they can't do much to chase you. Shit, just slice them in half with a Gatling gun and they would have to drag themselves to get you (like the lady in the pilot episode)

people nitpick it to death and try to tear it down. TWD is an amazing show, just relax and watch it, or don't. There's no sense in dissecting every single thing that happens, then complain about it just because it wasn't what YOU personally wanted it to be.

something tells me that anyone with enough time on their hands to go to this website, log in, post a message- even if they are shitting on the show, are going to watch it no matter what!
The people not watching are the ones who are not even sure they get AMC (except when they run across Patton while flipping channels) and have never heard of TWD and certainly didn't know it was a comic book.

i only know him from teachers so this accent of his sounds ridiculous to me. is it accurate guys? this show isnt as good as the comic and the comic aint that great either, its what some people accuse mad men of being: a lame soap opera.

some really great stuff in there about how the US military tries to stem the tide of the zombie horde flowing out of the east, specifically NYC. I seem to remember the idea is to basically set up a kind of 'roadblock' and hold ground against the dead. Sure, bombs and machine guns take out some of them, but not all. remember, the real threat isn't one or two or even a crowd of ghouls, the threat is that there are millions of them, and the horde you're facing is just the head of a long serpent of ravenous beings that don't get tired, don't feel pain or fear, and won't stop until they're destroyed or until they're on top of you. There's even a scene in the book where someone sets up a bunch of those gun turret things, the 50.cal machine guns, at head-height too, but all that does is create a pile of zombie bodies that the dead have to crawl over before they overrun the turrets. And bombs don't do shit. tear them up a bit, take out a small percentage, just thins out the horde, doesn't stop it. Read the book, it's the best Zombie story so far.

thanks, I am buying it for my Kindle as we speak, I've been wanting to read it. But I still think a nuke or 2 would do the trick! but probably kill all the living as well, but to quote the Joker from 1989's Batman: You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs!

There's so much detail, for a zombie nerd it's very juicy. How the author arrives at the conclusion that the best military strategy is basically an archaic version of infantry warfare is so thorough and fun to read, you're in for a treat. I'm going to read it again soon.

set the wire ye high :::holds hand to forehead:::: and take to the streets for some headscalping. also a damn goos bite proof suit and a sharp as hell sword, but Romero's zombies were strong enough in numbers to pull bodies apart. so...

oh yeah, I forgot that.. that could explain it. I think they were trying to get to the CDC.. which makes me think, could they infect the zombies with monkeypox, AIDS, or the clap (it would at least burn when they peed, if nothing else)

They got the Dead World set-up right (even with a few liberties, and some ridiculousness - let's rub infectious diseased gore all over ourselves [then it rains, surprise, and they stroll past zombie coke dealer, the only z minus the plugged-up gore snot and shit, who can actually smell fresh flesh] ). Great if we could get beyond the lameness of 1) three episodes to go back to get the redneck ("C'mon, the guy can cook anything! We need him!"), and 2) cliffhanger and next season to tidy-up the cheatin' wifey thing (until episode 7: BANG!). Lame in death as is life/human behavior, I guess. Fuck, if I was lootin' the liquor store yeah it'd take me two episodes just to decide red wine or white (depend on what the redneck was grillin' for dinner).

Silencers? Flamethrowers? Bow and Arrows? How many people do you know either have or are skilled with these items? In one sentence you're whining about the lack of zombie realism, then you're strapping a flamethrower on your back like you're in WWII. So far what I like about the show (and the series) is that they use practical items, things you would actually find if the world went to shit - fire axes, crowbars, baseball bats. Silencers. For fuck's sake.

As the person who first brought up bows and arrows, you'll want to note that the lack of them is not a complaint. Just that some bow and arrow action would be an excellent addition to the show should they go that route. But since you asked, I do know someone who professes to be a skilled archer, and I'd consider it exceedingly ridiculous for anyone to feel a fictional character with archery skills is exceedingly ridiculous. No, it would be bad ass. Admit it.

I dare someone to defy this logic- Surgically implant a cell phone bomb into a dog (like the Joker in TDK) and wait till it is surrounded by zombies.. blow that mutha up! Or on a bigger scale, a circus elephant packed with c4 would do nicely!

Agreed, much like the acting professor in Diary of the Dead. From a WD production still I saw, it looks like a crossbow is going to be used by the redneck's brother in a future episode. So we got that going for us, which is nice.

That distinction is owned by World Wrestling Entertainment and WWE Monday Night Raw. It once had 8.0+ ratings for entire segments. Nice try eliminating professional wrestling's impact on pop culture, but it didn't work.

and then I decided to stop reading it shortly after the 2nd riot at the you know where. I didn't want to ruin the AMC series for myself. It's kinda sad because I want to read the comics, but I dont want to know more than I already do. I like surprises. I seen a comic cover were it shows them wearing riot gear- some what effective but not complete body protection. I think I'll seek out the comic now for sure, save them read them later on down the road when the series moves beyond the 2nd riot period.

like the show Friends, but a cooler monkey trained to do stuff. I don't think you can train a monkey to shoot zombies, no, but maybe you can train him to toss his excrement at them. Sorta like the cream pie scene in the original dawn of the dead, only it's monkey shit. Sadly a small little monkey like that can only muster so much monkey dung at any given time. So his aim would have to be sure. He could do the smell my finger bit after this, and you could even have him peeing and then wiping his wet hands on the clothing and faces of the other characters. It would be cool if he smoked all the time as well and stole liquor and humped the hell outta the ladies in the group.

samsquanch: Check out Y: The Last Man. Ten volumes about a plague that kills all the men on earth except for the main character. It's fantastic.<br /><br />
Rupee88: I agree, but remember from the comics that Shane isn't a particularly great leader (being purposely vague here), so it would make sense that he'd give blanket permission for people to go off on their own.

Dude, there are many a thing in the world to be angry about before getting pissed about this. You'd think a butt hurt wrestling advocate might actually WANT to argue that steroids in tights isn't a scripted television series. Can't really tell what you're getting worked up about.

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This is now my number 1. Supernatural seems to have gone one season too far for me, and it was a shame about Caprica. The Event is yet to prove itself.

Though a movie about teenagers loving zombies could make good satire. (sort of a spiritual extension of the zombies roving the shopping mall in "Dawn of the Dead") Speaking of loving zombies, do a google video search for "Leela Savasta" and turn off the safe search. Let's see True Blood top that!

Now that it's renewed hopefully they pick out the best bits from the comics for screenplays. And yes please, consistency and logic makes the show much better.
I patiently read all these wise comments. I want to say that in the first show, when he wakes up, I was yelling get shoes and a gun fucker! And snap out of it.
Re HomerJay1 wanting to hurt animals, well buddy I want to see you with a stick of TNT up your ass hung up like a pinata, waiting for them zombies. That would be fun.

You'd think in 2-and-a-half hours of zombie hordes on the attack, there would be real fear. And yeah, you could feel the drop in quality this time; it was a lot more of a typical action show, rather than a drama with some action scenes, like last week. I did like it when they opened the zombie's wallet though; that was powerful.

...are everywhere, especially in the South. They can read and write enough to vote for whoever Glen Beck tells them to vote for, unfortunately. The reason they seem to congregate south of the Mason-Dixon line is because in the South, for generations, first cousin marriages were commonplace . It really is a region over-run with gene trash.

Flamethrowers would would if you funneled them in a very narrow alleyway and trapped them inside. They would melt away. The two cars 1 wire wouldn't decapitate but slice in half. The bow and arrow would work nicely. Also the new iPhone drone app loaded with c4 combo would be a killer! I'm so hyped that it got a second season. I wonder if they know Glenn is still alive?

Yeah, only the white guy was behind him AT THAT INSTANT. Clearly, this guy had been acting like this for a long, long time, long enough to have them all cowed. You think he'd been Alan Alda up till that moment, then suddenly became Archie Bunker? Please. They would have had many, many chances to rat-pack the bastard, but no, only the heroic white guy had the balls to deal with him. Feh.

Please read your Zombie survival Guide before posting stupid-ass comments like "Just start driving and shooting the tank!" "Use a silencer!"....Driving a tank is NOTHING like driving a car, just like driving a dump-truck, a school bus, or a tractor trailer is nothing like astandrard car! Silencers lower the noise frequency of a gun, by MAYBE 10 to 15 percent, and considering that most handguns sound off at about 10 Hz, thats not that significant! Zombies, if they are attracted ny noise, will still come a running! Speaking of running and climbing fences, I'm going to agree with the talkbackers that are saying that the freshly turned zombies are a bit more agile and mobile, isn't that what Morgan confirmed in the pilot? As the weeks and months pass, and as winter starts to set in (as shown in the comics), I think we will see a significant decline in agility in the zombies. Oh, and the redneck better have a horrible fate coming, unless he's a catalyst for Woodbury (which would be pretty awesome). Can't wait for Tyreese and Michonne (some of my favorite characters in the comics). And Glenn is spot on! BTW, for those of you not in the know, many of the characters, minus Rick, Glenn, and Andrea, are all new characters hiding in the department store, so good to see how the TV show is diverging from the comics storyline...

In Max Brook's Zombie Survival Guide, ancient Romans stopped a massive zombie horde at Hadrian's Wall by igniting a trench with oil and fire and spearing any undead that shambled through. I think it would make an incredible epic siege in any zombie movie...

The pilot set the bar so high, I should have expected the drop in writing/editing quality.
I would call that an average tv episode with some above average vfx. First off, i did not become interested in or gain respect for any of the atlanta cast except for the asian kid. you just cant dump that many generic, stereotypical type characters on an audience all at one time. unless you kill them off quickly, as in next episode.

so they could blow their load with a thirteen ep budget on six eps to draw people in. Next season will feature less zombies and more character work, and you'll see a 13 episode budget spread across 13 episodes. Although now that it's a ratings monster, maybe AMC will give it a bigger budget next season.

..Michael Rooker.Can you say "Missipssipi Burning"?His character not only beat the shit out of a Brotha (Gasps!) but he also used the term; "Sugartits" LMMFAO i guess that's a shout out to that racist fuck Mel.great series so far and if I had my way, Kirkman would be

..Michael Rooker.Can you say "Missipssipi Burning"?His character not only beat the shit out of a Brotha (Gasps!) but he also used the term; "Sugartits" LMMFAO i guess that's a shout out to that racist fuck Mel.great series so far and if I had my way, Kirkman would be

Quite a few people were predicting a drop-off in numbers, and the opposite happened.<br /><br />I think they have to admit now, this is a definite HIT series. These numbers make Tru Blood look anaemic. <br /><br />AMC must be kicking themselves that they only have 6 episodes in the pipeline.

Fantastic news - sounds like we'll get at least 3 or 4 seasons out of this. It's got to stray wildly from the comics - there's no way they can hope to tell everything that's been shown there even so far in even a 5 or 6 season run. They need to forge a story that retains elements but isn't slavishly following every beat or else they'll never complete the series properly. But jeez, this is the best geek news in years for me at least. Well done Darabont and co. Episode 2 was terrific, looking forward to so much more. And anyone criticising this show so far is an idiot. Great times to be a geek.

The Walking Dead is singlehandledly shutting down the recent zombie explosion of movies. This is really what fans have been waiting for. It is scary, smart, gory, and realistic making for the most terrifying show I've ever seen on television. I'm shocked its ratings are this high, this is a niche show that seems to have broken out. I'll be curious how good the ratings are next week because if you could stick in there for the zombie dismemberment you can get through anything.

I am from South Carolina but not currently residing there. I can tell you that racism is alive and well all over the US and while you can find it more overt in SC, I think parts of NY are worse. <p>
One thing I have noticed when I go back home, both whites are blacks are overt in their racism. Fact.<p>
As for the show, great so far and both my wife and I can't wait for next week. Rick's wife is a whore. Fact Two.

The British Car show TOP GEAR showed how weird and bad the security system of the new Challenger is. One of the presenters, as a prank, and because the car has a keyless feature, he entered the unlocked car and drove for about 300 meters and still the engine didn't blocked. it seems that security was not a major concern when Dodge made the new Challenger.

Eastwood in GRAN TOURINO is not a racist, he's a misantrope, he talks shit about everybody, regardless of race, creed, age and social standing. But when the asian neighbours starting showing him respect, he warmed to them very, very fast, and build a quick friendship with a much younger dude and treated him as if he was his youngest son. In the movie, you know that his character is consumed with great guilt about shooting a korean soldier in cold blood, and that guilt was one of the major reasons of his grumpiness, as if he made himself unlikable because he felt he wasn't deserving of compassion and sympathy.

in such a negative light right from the start. Now, Rick has nothing to look forward to from the audience's perspective. I don't have a problem with his partner being a snake, but having everyone think that the wife is a whore is not a good way to begin. Plus, she basically left him to die in the hospital.

You must be one very coragous guy to not think you would ever get intimidated by a muscular 6'6 foot tall guy who not only talks but acts like a psycho and could knock a guy his size with a single punch. Yeah, you must be a one big hero totally unaffraid to have your bones broken.

Well the wife was already clued in as a bitch evne before we see her, remember the chat the hero and his partner had before the shootout? He said soemthing like "the difference between a man and a woman is that a man wouldn't be that cruel". She is a bitch,a nd frankly, it's good to see a show where the female lead and wife of the leading character is a real true bitch instead of an anoying needy soccer mom wifey. She is supposed to be unlikable.<br><br>And i know what you feel about when you watched the first episode. I felt the same way too. Also about the second episode. This show is the shit. I have always though that a zombie story, movie or TV show, can the material for truly good drama. I'm happy to see my point proven right thanks to Frank Darabount and his team which brough us THE WALKING DEAD.

You hit them from behind. Like I said, the white guy was more courageous than all FOUR of the non-whites combined. Sorry, but white people just aren't that brave, or that intimidating. No one is. The others had guns, as well. It's not that I'm that brave (although I have, indeed, stood up to people that size). It's that I don't take shit. Promised myself that a very long time ago. Everybody goes to sleep, nobody has 360 vision. Get behind them.

Is reading the speculation by those who haven't read the books. ^_^ People have no freaking idea what they are about to get into... and while it may take quite awhile before we reach that point, it will be funny to watch people keep guessing.
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A serious piece of advice, in case you've had to deal with such bullies: It is critical to remember that they are as frightened as you. Under the anger and bluster, they know they are just as mortal, and just as vulnerable. Never forget that, and you can generally deal with such people easily. You don't get in their face, you don't threaten. You remain polite, and offer them peace. If they don't take it, you blindside them, giving them no chance at all to see it coming.

yeah but serioiusly we never really now how tall that building is. It wasn't some one story buidling and they were up on the roof on the ground floor how many times? And this wasn't when they were scared for their lives.

I'm not sure why no one here has thought about this. Actually I do, nevermind. If you could possibly think about having sex in the woods during a zombie apocalypse, doggie-style would give you the best ability to see anything coming up on you, plus being on your knees rather than one or both prone would allow you to rise up and run the fuck away all the quicker.

A nice setup of the world; introduction to the stakes. More character than plot & just enough splatter to let you know that this ain't the A Team."
Episode 2 gives us a lot of people to get to know in a short amount of time. Sure there's shorthand but it's Rick's story and we (assuming the concept of Zombies hadn't previously existed in the Walking Dead world) are at Rick's speed. <br></br>Rick's got shit to do. Rick's wife is getting her shitter done. It's all gravy.
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Oh yeah, and quit it hyperbole bots.

"Walking Dead does for zombies what Twilight did for vampires"<br><br>I fucking hope not. Twilight pussified vampyres. I don't wish such sad fate for the zombies. Some classic monsters still need to be scary.

i want to see more dodge advertising during the show:
Hey if you ever outrun a zombie apocolypse. get a full tank of gas and a v8 hemi engine in a SRT dodge challenger. Kicking ass and never taking names!

The way the wife is presente din the Tv show truly make sit clear she is a bitch of a person. There would be ways to try to present her as sympathetic and trying her best to adapt to the new apocalyptic situation and not look like she is cheatting on her husband with such glee. Maybe it's true that she thinks he's dead, but still there's many ways to present her as if she was couping with the situation. but it's not as she is presented. she is quite clearly a bitchy type of a person. In contrast with her husband, which is a truly upstanding guy. When he told his story about how his wife used their son to make a snark cruel remakr, that was quite a eye opener. her futher presentation in the series doens't give us any indication she's any better. i also think the hero's eagerness to return to his wife (and son9 could be that his prolonged comma might have lessen his sense of disastifaction toward her, and he is only rememberingthe good stuf aobut her, and not her bitchiness. Clearly, before the zombie apocalypse, they had a dying marriage and he was all too aware of that. And yeah, i do think she was cheatting on him.

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You don't get the sense that he's the kind of guy who has a plan. Whereas in the sewer section Rick encourages, listens and defers. All good leadership qualities.
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American muscle cars would be terrible to outrun the zombie hordes, specially in a city, you would crash on the first turn. And Humvees are too big and drank too much gas to be pratical. No, if you would want a ride to fight the zombie menace with style, you would need to have some top tier japanese or european sport cars. my choice would be either a Bentle Continental GT, or, if i wanted to overwhelm the zombies with both power and car weight, i'd use the Roll Royce Phantom. That machine has 500+ HP and it's body is made of STEEL. No kidding, it's steel. And you know what they say, Roll Royces never broke down.

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I think they've definitely had to amp up certain story aspects, possibly to give her more of an interesting arc. Let's be honest, Rick is fine for things to do in the show.
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What shit? I said NO ONE is that brave or intimidating. I specifically said there was no difference between the racial groups. What possible objection could you have to that statement? The frequent cinematic image of cowering minorities being controlled by a single bigot, while a brave white man (or woman) strides in and saves the day, is wish fulfillment, exactly as it would be if a bunch of white people were cowering before a single black man, and a brave black man strode in and saved the day. If a black man directed and wrote that scene you'd KNOW it was bullshit. In no way did I suggest that whites were less than blacks. Surely, you are not taking exception to my assertion that whites are not braver and smarter than non-whites, are you? No, I didn't think so. Thank goodness! You had me going there for a moment...

Because i'm loving the music from this series, and i'm not talking about the songs, i'm talking about the score composed for the series. I'm very, very happy with it. Then again, it's composed by Bear McCreary, who did a great job on BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

You mean within the scene? The thing is, masses being put in control by a minority of much more agressive types is not just common, it's everywhere and thorughout history. This is because, contrary to popular belif in the inherent agressivines sof the human rac,e most people are not warriors or fighter,s most people are cowardly and too preocupied with their physical well being to go on fighting bigger more agressive dudes. and no, i'm not putting myself out of that group. also, remember, that of the whole group, only the whero had enough knoledge to fight such a guy as the big racist bully, because he is a trainer policeman and almost as big. While the black dude is a fat dude clearly out of shape with too big a mouth and not enough brain to know not to talk shit TO A CLEARLY UNBALLANCED LOONY.

And franklyl, for me, i dont' see races. I see nationalities and personal types, but not races. The human population is too spreaded out for to be a race (black, whites, asians) identity anymore. Saying that, i do have a big weak spot for hot asian babes.

The female zombie that walks between the two of them and starts to smell them. That was tense. It still irks me that Rick has become super cop already and doesn't ask any important questions as to "why the hell are there zombies everywhere?" Did the Dad in episode 1 explain this to him and I missed it?

I'm perfectly aware than most people are not alpha warrior types. My point is that people of a given ethnicity will tend to assume that whatever traits are "good" will collect most within their group. That, in essence, no black, Asian, or Latino writer/director would have had cowering minorities saved by the brave white man. And that whites tend not to notice how commonly this image plays out. Now, members of those other groups will definitely create their own fantasies about how brave THEIR people are. I merely point out that these are fantasies. And that small groups of (say) Europeans dominated huge groups of, say, Central American Indians because of superior weaponry. They conquered Africans due to superior technology, and controlled them in America due to brainwashing and superior numbers, not superior courage or moral fortitude. Blacks in a situation of equal numbers and technology are no more intimidated by whites than whites are by blacks. And in this situation, the technology was the same (both groups had guns) and the numbers favored the minorities. Did that Asian look like he was easily frightened? Really? The way he rescued the hero, and went out into the Zombies? He was, they ALL were, braver than hell. And no single redneck would dominate them so easily--especially when he was so easily knocked out by the hero. This was pure fantasy, and one I've seen played out countless times. I just enjoy pointing it out, and see who gets upset if I puncture their fantasy balloon.

I'm not sure I could scale a fence that quickly.<p>
I'm not sure many Talkbackers could scale a fence at all.<p>
I can handle going all smashy-smashy with rocks, but scaling a fence seems to require more than simple vestigial intelligence. Methinks it requires a level of dexterity that I've always thought was beyond the capabilities of a rotting animated corpse.<p>
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I have absolutly no problem whjatsoever with showing a zombie climbing a fence. To do so doesn't take an intelligence more then of a coachroach. and coachroaches have no brains, all they have is a nervous systm and a bunch of synapses going for them, and look at them, they rule the world. No, for me it stands to reason that a zombie could climb a fence. Besides, the show portaits zombies which seem to still hold quite a lot of vestigial humanity in them. The show is good in making tension out of the fact that some zombies seem to be more aware and are less easily fooled and still sem to have some vestigial intelligence, making them far more threatning, and unpredictacle. Really, i'm loving the zombies in this show.

Sorry, but i don't buy it. If you were talking about movies or Tv shows made in the 30s, 40s and 50s, then i would agree because those were pretty common shit portaited in movies. Today, not so much. In fact, if there is anything that upsets me to see in a movie today is the "undestructable negro", which as a cliché is as bad as the "black dude dies first". The first tries too hard to overcome and subvert the unfortinate cliche that it became a cliché in itself. It's as tiresome and detestable as watching movies and TV shows where all shit is happening around and yet neither the kids or the pets get harmed. In true, if in some recent slasher movie the black guy dies first, it will be a subvertion given the PC bullshit mood that goes around today.

These zombies have vestiges of their past lingering in their brains. The little girl picked up the stuffed bear. The wife remembered which house her family was in. I don't think becoming a zombie suddenly makes you a fence climber, but maybe it you did that lots in your "life", an echo of it remains in your "undeath". Thoughts?

The biggest problem is climing a fence is not the mechanical aspect of it, but if you are strong enough to pull your own weight. And evne if you are, but you ar enot an athlectic type, the exertion can be painful and makes you give up before you suceed. Since zombies can't feel pain, are tireless and are pretty emancipated, they have all sort of advantages that could make them climb a fence. Beside, there's nothing to it in term sof intelligence. In fact, intelligence could be an hindrance, many people can't do simple physical stuff because they fear from falling, getting hurt, have vertigo, etc.

You're not being asked to buy anything, Asimovlives. Keep what you have if you're happy with it. As for "Politically Correct"--you mean, I suppose, that those on the Left are too solicitous or careful to minorities? In which case the "middle" of the spectrum would be to be "just careful enough" and the Right wing would be "too insulting and bigoted." Right? Is this really what you meant to say? Seems odd...

is racist, because it had a black guy shooting up the neighborhood. and that black lady was terrifying; the husband and kid were afraid she could curse up a storm, with some hip jive talk and mean head movement. so stereotypical, and racist, but true.

that climbed a fence, and everyone's losing it. i would expect a black zombie to be able to simply for the fact that he was probably used to climbing fences all of his life from constantly running from the police, which, if you think about it, it makes him climbing the fence and running toward the police funny. i would easily expect a mexican zombie to know how to push a lawnmower and a white zombie to not be able to know how to dance. zombie michael jackson can totally dance and everyone loves it. why? because they expect him to.

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Hrmm it was? I need to go back and check that out then. God Ive been off on my all my "that wasn't in the comic" things. Need to go back and re read. But in the later comics they don't bring up the smelling stuff do they?

..a fence. (Good explanation Asi.) but the minute I see them talk or hold a Gun, I'm tuning out.<p>However, I still prefer fast moving Zombies over their slow ilk.TWD's Zombies' speed are somewhat in the middle especially when the rain had washed much of the blood,entrails from Rick and Glen.All of the sudden they were on hyper boost the minute they noticed "fresh flesh".

that's actually and interesting question, but is it purely a consistency thing for you? i never thought about zombie senses before, but now i'm wondering why they shouldn't smell if they can hear and see. they like to eat, so can they taste? can they feel? i imagine they'd have to be able to feel and taste if they can discern what they can't and can eat. can they think but, because their brains are affected, not be able to translate those thoughts into correct physical processes? phd in zombology?

"SEND... MORE.... PARAMEDICS..."<p> Those fucks in that movie were insane... you couldn't even kill them! Head shots were useless, and burning them just released more trioxin to create more zombies! ffffuuuuuuuuuuu

Zombies seem to have all senses but touch, as some would be missing eyes, noses, etc.
4 wheel drive SUV for the vehicle, you want to have mass and traction when running over zombies as the pavement gets slick with blood.
Reverse Cowgirl anal - if you see the zombie, you are still lying on your back with a weight on top of you. You need the ability to get up and run quickly.

i'm working on a zombie scenerio story/strip/whatever, and the way i look at the zombie infection is this: regardless of whether the 'virus' is man-made (leaked from the center for disease control), from space (alien pathogen/spore/virus/parasite) or natural viral organism, it's a two part process. when exposed infected, there is such a reaction that the fever kills you. compare to ebola, or whatever you want. once the virus has spread out into your system and accumulated in your brain via the bloodstream, it kills you. slow or fast, depending on your condition, injury, metabolism, whatever. the person, the spirit, the soul, whatever- is dead. within seconds of the 'lifeforce' leaving the body, the virus quickly begins to take control, based out of the brain. think of a self-aware parasite now in control of a strange new host. think of it as an anatomical carjacking. it enters, kicks you out, steals your car, only it's never driven before and has to learn as it goes. there is such thing as residual memory from the previous host available for the virus to acess from the brain as it learns. this should not be mistaken for the zombie still being THAT PERSON, or being able to be 'cured'. the virus is simply using the tool of stored memory inside the parts of the brain as it accesses them.<br>
there is no rigor mortis because the transition from living to undead happens so quickly upon actual death. the virus is now in control of bloodflow and every body function, albeit badly- literally like a baby or monkey driving a car, or you trying to drive a tank with no experience. it's a foreign thing. the virus isn't as good as your natural system as far as keeping you working properly or intact. decomp begins very slowly. the virus's main priority is to be mobile and infect, as well as consume any living matter it can get its hands on to help in keeping the form intact, even if the stomach and intestines are ripped out, the simple thought process is still 'consume' and 'spread' (via bite or projectile blood vomit). the virus does not feel or comprehend pain, nerves are not a priority for it to maintain, which is why zombies can withstand so much damage and, within reason, still pursue you despite it.

Problem with them is that they add weight and encumbrance to the gun and reduce your accuracy as the range increases.
May want to investigate subsonic ammo, since it is legal you could get the ammo a Walmart probably. Would be more likely than finding an illegal silence weapon lying around.

Real left wingers aren't PC. PC is bulslhit, just another way to disguise bogotry with niceties. i see no difference in calling native amecican and an redskin. Native ameican is initself bigotred because it implies a certain exclusivity, as in, not white. Indians are ameircans, and you are a native if you are born in america, that's what the word means, native means being from a certain place. All people born in american are native americans, to use that expression just for indiasn is another way to call them redskins. Same goes with that abominable expression "african-american". It's stupid. It's black. African.american, what the fuck that even means,a nyway? As if Africa was a whole sole country, instead of a whole continent with thousands of different people and cultures. Africans can be Sudanese, igerians, senegali, moroccan, egypcian, south-african, angolan, etc, etc, etc. Tehre's load sof african people, africna countries, african cultures. African-american means absolutly jackshit. just because soem people are coy to call a black person black doesn't mean they are right. And again, like the stupid expression native-american, it's still exclusivist, it's just another way to say "not white". That's bigotry and real racism. Pc is just bulslhit and lies with a veneer of nicety and civility. And no true left-winger would fall for that shit. Because tha't sth way of the true left. And there's hardly any of that in USA today. Or the rest of the world, for that matter.

might just be the perfect zombie killing machine... I wonder if Jedi mind tricks would work on them?? (This is not the live flesh you are looking for...)
Now I know what you will say- Superman sitting on the moon could destroy the zombie brains with his heat vision much more efficiently than Luke and Yoda... but come on, we all know Superman isn't real, whereas Jedis could very well exist.

zombies ARE more capable of physical activity the fresher they are. some may grasp certain tasks faster than others, for no other reasons than chance, observation, or access to memories that are more intact. a zombie will, eventually starve or decay to the point of uselessness. perhaps in another form of creature the (alien?) virus has greater success, but this is the result of human infection.

The most important thing about all this busines sof the zmbies is, if they still decay after they are revived. If they just rtain their physical attributes right when they died, then they would be prety much in a similiar physical condition as any living human, and it was jsut a matter of intelligence that would truly distinguish them from the still living. As for a smart (barely)speaking zombie, well, don't we all love Bub from DAY OF THE DEAD?

Have you ever been near a Roll royce Phantom? I have. You hav eno idea how big a wheels that car has. It's huge. You could climb anything with those. Also, the car is fast, very, very, very fast. And sturdy like hell. Sure, you migth think, it's a posh car, it cannt be sturdy. Well, you would be wrong. And it wouldn't consume more fuel then your average family SUV, believ eit or not. You know why? Because in fact RR are owned by BMW, which makes the most econominal engines in the whole world, specially if diesel.

Shouldn't most of these zombies look half-eaten, since the general gist is we are food? Do they stop eating you very shortly after death, so you can still be a zombie later? If all the muscle tissue of the meaty leg is gone, they are not going to be able to chase you...

I'm cool with the Phantom. The thing is, you won't really find one of those in the American South, SUV's on the other hand are a dime a dozen. Also, the main thing to think about is four wheel drive. You may have to go off road at times and you need something that can handle that.

You are correct, I've thought about that also... It is like all these zombies got one little bite from another zombie, but then got away from them. (so that they would have a relatively unharmed body to then become a zombie themselves)
You saw the way they tore that horse apart... I doubt there would be much of you left to do the zombie shuffle if you were torn apart and eaten by a big pack... right??

From what little i knowof the subjec,t it sems that silencers are not really silincers as the wordl would make us believe, and Hollywood mvoies for that matter. What silencers actually do is they diguise the sound of a shot. So that if you use a silincer, the sound of a shot from, say, another room would sound like something weird, not imediatly recognizavble, even making people mistake it for something falling with a tud sound. So, bascially, silencers disguise, not supress gunshot sounds. The only way for maybe a silencer to actually work as the word might imply is with very small ammo type pistols, like .22. And even then, the silencer would probably be bigger then the pistol itsel. And the pistol would need to be an automatic, because revolvers are very open and most of the sound cames from the barrel openings itself, thus negating the advantages of a silencer. As as asomebody pounted out before, silencers are completly useless for supersonic ammo, on accoutnt that those ammo reach the target even before we heard the shot thus makingthe silencer irrelevant, and also, supersonic ammo causes a thunderclap similiar to a jet airplane which denounced the position of the shooter, so, the silencer would be totally irrelevant and useless. The sad thing is that though silencers can be useful, they ar enot for the reasons that Hollywood movies present.

First of all, let me say that I am really, REALLY enjoying this show… I am definitely not trying to nitpick, but there is one inconsistency that I can’t seem to get over. Since I don’t know a lot about cars or “hot-wiring,” I was hoping that someone a little more mechanically inclined / knowledgeable might be able to help me understand this.
In the first episode, Rick takes the horse from the farm of the folks who killed themselves, because he cannot find the keys to the pickup truck they have. In episode two, he is very easily able to start the Charger with just a screwdriver.
I saw that someone above mentioned that Chargers are easy to start, but if Rick knew how to do that, wouldn’t he also (presumably) have known how to hot-wire the pickup truck in the first episode? Did anyone else catch that?
If anyone can help me understand this, I would really appreciate it!!! Thanks!

First of all, let me say that I am really, REALLY enjoying this show… I am definitely not trying to nitpick, but there is one inconsistency that I can’t seem to get over. Since I don’t know a lot about cars or “hot-wiring,” I was hoping that someone a little more mechanically inclined / knowledgeable might be able to help me understand this.
In the first episode, Rick takes the horse from the farm of the folks who killed themselves, because he cannot find the keys to the pickup truck they have. In episode two, he is very easily able to start the Charger with just a screwdriver.
I saw that someone above mentioned that Chargers are easy to start, but if Rick knew how to do that, wouldn’t he also (presumably) have known how to hot-wire the pickup truck in the first episode? Did anyone else catch that?
If anyone can help me understand this, I would really appreciate it!!! Thanks!

I believe al Roll Royces are four wheel drive. But you hit a very good point, just in case one would need to go cross country,then oen owuld ned a vehicle that could do that.<br><br>Wwll, of cours,e ther eis one car that is not only very good in all terrain capacities, it's 4 wheel drive, and it's so striking in looks that it looks good in a farm as in a posh party. It's the Mercedes-Benz G-class car. And in the AMG version, it's has 500 HP. It's the most sturdy, best ATT vehicle you can imagine.<br><br>But if you can't find one, then your best option has to be Toyota, namely, either the Land Cruiser of the pick-up truck the Toyota Hilux. don't laugh about the Hilux, that is the thoughest vehicle there is, so much so that the prsenters of the Tv show TOP GEAR used one to go to the north Pole, and they suceeded. Yeah, a couple of middle aged blockes mananged to go to the north polçe in a car, and it was a Toyta Hilux. Fuck it, forget what i said about the other cars, if you need wheels came the zombie apocalypse, it's the Toyota Hilux you need to have, the ATT pick-up truck that makes the Ford F-150 looks like the badly made car that it is. Accept no substitutes.

I earlier referred to a "pack of zombies"
Now I know from Mel Gibson that "pack of n words" is correct, but what about zombies?? Is it "gaggle of zombies" like geese?
If this has not been decided, I suggest we go with a "murder of zombies" like a "murder of crows" That makes sense, right?

can't believe that hadn't been brought up. surely an old truck from the 70's would be hella more easy to hotwire versus a new charger. i think that's lazy, plot-convenience writing. it should have been another character (even glenn) that hotwired it. i think the answer is that dodge probably would not have wanted to be used in the show if the show was trying to reveal the exploit about the ease of hotwiring them, which is why i have to go with assuming it was poor writing for episode 2

I don't find it difficult to beleive that a rural cop like the hero could hotwire a car, or know the principle of the thing. Car theft for jotriding is a common crime in rural areas, and i wouldn't be suprised if a good cop, or sherriff deputy like the hero could know the principle of the thing, and what to do when the need comes to hitwire a car. And then there's the fact that american cars are notorious for being pretty easy to hotwire. And i think the muscle car presented in the second episode was a Dodge Challenger not a Dodge Charger, but i could be wrong.

In which the Zombies not only could talk, but they were very cunning.(The paramedics ambush scared the shit out of me back then.)That Movie was an exceptional Zombie flick as it blended dark humor with horrfic situations, fast Zombies and a fucked up ending.God bless Dan O' Bannon for upping the ante from Romero's formula.And far superior than Day of the Dead IMO.

Thanks, Zombot... so, do I just get to feel like I'm better than the writers for a little while?
AsimovLives... after your post about the relative merits of a number of vehicles... maybe you have some thoughts on this?

Sorry, but I accept a substitute if I had a pack of zombies chasing my ass. ;)
Also, I think you read me saying supersonic ammo, when what I said was "sub"sonic ammo. It kind of sounds like a pop gun going off. I'm not sure of the penetration power needed to kill zombies though...
So after getting your ammo at the local Walmart, you look across the parking lot for a car to jack. What are the odds you are going to find one of those high-falluting $$ (though cool) cars vs. a Dodge 4x4 or Ford Expedition?

Sorry... sorry your post addressing my question after I posted the follow-up... looks like our messages just crosse.
Back to my original queston though... I don't think it's a stretch to believe that the small-town sherrif could hotwire a car... but why a Challenger and not an old pickup?

I think it's a buit pretentious of many of us to think we are smarter then the writers of this show. so far. Because as far as i can tell, this show, the first two episodes, are very well writen, and very smartly writen as well. I can tell that there was a lot of though going for the stuff that was presented so far, and the world they build for the show. So far i'm very impressed. I'm loving everything about it. I haven't been as impressed with the first two episodes of a show since ROME or CANIVALE.

"Same goes with that abominable expression "african-american". It's stupid. It's black. African.american, what the fuck that even means,a nyway? As if Africa was a whole sole country, instead of a whole continent with thousands of different people and cultures. Africans can be Sudanese, igerians, senegali, moroccan, egypcian, south-african, angolan, etc, etc, etc. Tehre's load sof african people, africna countries, african cultures. African-american means absolutly jackshit."<p>Well said, however a good friend of mine who is Black prefers to be labled African American due to the negative connotations associated with the word Black:"dark, forbodden,souless,evil"..well you get what I'm saying.I feel that the term AA is a bit patronizing if not underlying condesending. But whatever makes him happy..whatever happen to"Black is Beautiful"? I guess it went out with the post civil rights era or Pam Grier's Blaxploitation films.

Nov. 9, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

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I have really enjoyed the show, too.. I'm not use to this "being right" think, so I was just asking "what to do next" because I just wasnt't sure (and was trying to be funny, too.)

i don't remember the context around the truck, but maybe he would've hotwired it, but he went to look around for other things before he stumbled upon the horse. or if the horse got his attention while he took second before going to hotwire it, then he didn't get the chance? i'd like to remember without having to watch it again

If i remember this correctly, the logic behind the choice of the Charger (or Challenger) is because they knew the car would had it's alarm going off if you hotwired it. Which was the point, because the alarm nose would call the attention of most of the zombies away from the building, thus facilitating the extraction of the others. Aslo, a bit of a Rule Of Cool might be in play with, in that, how many people have fantasized that if a zombvie apocalypse arrived and they were a few of the true humans left, wouldn't they just fullfill some fantasy and drive the car they always wanted to do? and since so many americans drema about muscle cars as the car of cool, well then, the show plays into that, as a sort of injoke to the geekry that has spent time imagining the stuff they could do come a zombie apocalypse.<br><br>Me, though, i wouldn't chose an american muscle car. First, they are rare here. Secondly, they look cool, but they aren't very good and break easily. But most important, they can't make turns with any efficiency, unless it's a Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 or a Cadillac CTS-V, the only two cars made in USA with any power that can be driven in a mountain road without the driver being scared shitless fearing for dear life. But where i live, where roads do curb, even highways, handling would be paramount. A muscle car like the Charger would be the last thing i would want to touch, even if i could find one.

Glad you like the series, but out of curiosity and not to incite your ill feelings toward Zac "The Hack" snyder, but how would you compare the DOTD remake to what you have seen from TWD so far? better depictions of the survivers coping in the midst of a Zombie apocalypse?interesting Characters or scarier scenarios?I thought Rooker's redneck character was removed way too soon and should have lasted at least two more episodes and IMO most of the cast (in the 2nd ep) with the noted exception of Rick lacked depth. but it's too soon in the series to make a final judegement as there is plenty of time for character development.The first episode was still the best.Nothing is more heartbraking than seeing your wife become one of the living dead.Great stuff and a game changer for horror themed tv series.

Thanks again for your thoughts... I'm still just trying to figure out how he knew how to hot-wire the Dodge Challenger or Charger (or whatever it was) but not the, presumably, much simpler old pickup truck.

Judging by those flowers full of water his partner set on his bedside, it looks like he was only out of it for about 7-10 days. Couldn't be much more than that, since no one was changing his IV and he was not getting any food or water.

You car needs to have ground clearance and skid plates to go over things like downed trees. A Humvee would be awesome, those things can go about anywhere, plus they have a snorkel for the engine in case you need to cross deep water.

As if white itself means good. I mean, in China white is the colour of mourning the dead. And have you read MODY DICK? There is a whole chapter that's dedicated to the colour white, and it makes a very strong case that white is actually the true colour of evil. Which i do tend to agree, because wehenever i see a car painted white i fear going blind. i'm sorry to say, but your white friend has issues. Or he felt in love with some white chick who loves to display all that Pc stuff and he's going through her motions so much he started to believe it himself.<br><br>And by the way, the other reason why it's wrong for blacks in USA to call themselves african-americans is because they aren't africans. Being black doesn't make one automatically african, as if an american is white doesn't makes him automatically an european. Oen shopuld be called african-americna is one is an emigrant from any African country and is naturalized american. i mean,. really, what you guys in USa call one such person, if the pexpression african-american is used black americans born in USA? how you distinguish? Or you don't? See, this african-american nomeclature is just bulslhit. If the reason behind it is because of their supposed african roots, evne that is a misgiving, because the vast majority of black american descendent form slaves didn't come from Africa itself, but from the Caribbeans. They were bought from slaves that already lived for more then 150 years all thoughout the spanish and french caribbeans. The african imports were relatively small by then compared to the the whole of the slave trading going on. And it would easier and cheapper for an american slave trader to go to the caribbeans to buy slaves then go all the way to Africa through the atlantic to get slaves there and risk a long sea travel which would kill a large part of the "cargo". Far better, smarter and cheapper to get slaves much closer by, in the spanish and french Caribbeans. So, evne in that the term African-americna is wrong. they might more accuratly be caleld Caribbean-americans. again, the "African-american" nomeclature is pure bullshit. and it's sad that many black amricans have fallen for that, because what they are doing is just accepting being called a modern day version of "nigger", which it is. They are just not thinking this shit through.

See where your going, but it could be that he was being cared for for a month during the outbreak meanwhile all mobile citizens were forcibly evacuated. <br></br><br></br>
Then you give him 7 days on top of that.
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Still makes his wife a bit forgetful...

Anything a Humvee can do, a Mercedes-Benz Class-G or a Toyota Land Cruiser or Toyota Hilux can do, and better. For your information, just go to the Wikipedia and read about The Toyota War. Yeah, you read it right, The Toyota War, check it out. And let me said another thing about this two toyotas: check out images from Afghanisthan, and specialyl where war is happening there, since the 80s. What you will always see is Toyotas Land Cruisers and Hilux everywhere. Becasue this are the few cars that rarely break down in Afghanisthan, a place which breaks all type of vehicles there is. afghanisthan is extremely punishing for all kinds of car,s and yet the Toyotas Land Cruisers and Hilux endures. The Humvees, however, have broken down left and right in there, and the repair bill for those has been astronomical!

... like hell. In a post apocalypse scenario, you would want a car that could be driven for more then two block without running out of gas. and since there was no more gas being manufactured, that means you had to make do with what remained, or rather, with what little would had remained. Which would be scarse to find. An Humvee would be to totally wrong car to get. The toyotas i have afforementioned are by far much more economical. Specially if diesel engine. Which, i reckon, diesel engine cars is not something that's too common in The States, i think.

From the stub,i would reckon the hero had ben in a comma for about a month, nearly two. I remember when i once let my beard grow for two months, it looked like his. Two months is a pretty good timeline for the world as it is as seen in the show. If i had to have a nag with the series, is that they are finding ammo and still operational weaponry too easily. I think that if such a situation come as a zombie apocalypse, 90% to 95% of the world's whole ammo would had been spent in that first month or two. Even in USA finding still usable guns and ammo would be a very hard and frustrating task to achieve. People would had to really go medieval on the zombies by then. Ammo would be scarcer then diamonds. If you wanted to have firearms, i think people would had to reinvent the flintlock rifle and blackpowder.

I understand you ain't from around these here parts. ;-)
Those cars are not very common around here so I was thinking of something that would be handy. The national guard here uses Humvees. The walmarts have 4x4 SUV's. No doubt I would snag one of those Toyota's if I saw one. Maybe on a dealership lot for instance. As far as gas goes, even though they aren't making it, it is not being consumed all that much either, get a syphon hose and all those cars on the freeway become instant gas stations.

I though the same thing about the horse. I though, this one will not run out of fuel. And the horse looked lieka young stud, so i reckon the hero could still had him for a few years, say, seven years more, depending on the age and health. And then that terrible fate happened to the poor horsey. What a waste. It also ruined the hero's cowboy cool thing he had going on.

Thanks for your thoughts... however, he hadn't seen the horse before he tried to find the keys to the pickup. If he had known how to hot-wire, he would have hot-wired the pickup prior to looking for alternate transportation means (i.e. the horse.)

Here in America, we have a shit ton of ammo. But then my friends are gun nuts, one of whom actually has a room similar to a safe room in left 4 dead the video game. They have crates and crates of ammo stored away.

The probem about gas, besides how much it costs nowdays, is that it's it's not infinite. I think that if a zombie apocalypse come about, the majority of the gas would had beenusee up in he first months. mostly by tyhe military and polie force eprsonal, and then by people who would had been runing away wit their cars. And then there's possible loothing and destruction of gas stations because of the confusion. Simply put, mostof the gas in th world, would had been used up. Adn then there's this little fact: gasoline is EXTREMLY VOLATIBLE. As volatible as alchool. Gas evaporates very easily. It evaporates from gas station cisterns, from gas trucks, from teh car's very own tanks. Millions of dollars are lost every year in gas due to evaporation, even with all those modern day measures. Gas molecules are so small, they can pass throughout almost any material and from whatever microscopic opening however small. I'd say, that in about a year all gas still remaining in the world would had evaporated, unless you would kept it in cold like a fridge. Which would need gas to run the generator to make it work. Basically, with gas, you are fucked no matter what. Gas would run out, and very, vary fast, faster then any of us can imagine.

He looks for the key then walks away. (could be to get his hot wiring kit or some tool) at which point he hears the horse.
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If you want to go siphoning gas from stranded cars. Better watch out, there's grabbers.

Unless it's in a stupidly expensive "let's fuck the diehards" edition.<br></br><br></br> I'd say the cheapest and most effective option is if you turn down the colour on your TV/Monitor for mono undead action.

er, okay, it's not him, of course.;-)
<p> Does anyone have a link to a chart or graph to Zombie infestation saturation rates? It seems if a Zombie apocalypse was to happen, they would very quickly spread and overwhelm native population and then there would be a massive die-off due to lack of "brains" or "fresh flesh"! <p> Some of the "Walkers" extras are obviously not putrefied enough. How long will clothes withstand the elements and Zombie lifestyle? ;-)

They can't say this is the biggest scripted television show in cable history, because it isn't. It isn't even the highest rated. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but BSery is BSery. Hit me back when it hits a sustained 8.3 rated segment.

You had the bases covered: Buggering the skinny girl in the woods, Beating up the hip-hopper on a downtown Atlanta roof while dropping n-bombs, and tearing ass up the wrong way on I-85 in a Dodge Challenger.

I didn't understand why the power was still on in so many places. All it takes is a little too much ice here and there ya go, some outtages. <p> I'd really only be down for a sequel if they had some really good material, and somehow, I doubt it.

It'd be different if they were like dogs or something, but they're Zombie humans who's closest relatives are quite capable climbers. <p> In fact, it'd be hilarious to have some tree climbing zombies drop in on some frisky wood-going fornicators. *Yeah, I'm looking at you, Rick's so-called best friend & wife!*

I thought the zombies were going to climb up the fire escape ladder that Rick and Short Round went up near the beginning of the episode. If you can climb a fence, you could probably climb a ladder....
In Shawn of the Dead, they trained the zombies to push shopping carts and other simple tasks. Zombies are probably smart enough to get elected to Parliament in the UK.

Your precious George Dumbya Bush fucking piece of shit fuckass fucked up the world really good with his retard decisions. so, you can bet your ass that EVERYBODY IN THIS PLANET has a big saying about George Dumbya Fucking Shit Bush, as much, if not more so, then any american. So there. Shut up? I haven't said enough. What Bush did to the world is not just exclusive to your country. Deal with it.

I mean, despite their gloves and crap, that shit would have soaked through, slopped on them. And how about when they took them off? That's a gnarly proposition even when taking care, but at a run? I like Short Round's necklace. I hope he lives a while longer. :-D Oh, and whomever said driving a tank is a bitch, yeah, but what a perfect time to learn! No insurance worries! Private property concerns? No! Oops. I ran over a few cars. Big deal. ;-)

I think someone is jealous of the ol' U.S of mutha fuckin' A!!
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want George W Bush on that wall, you need him on that wall. He use words like honor, code, loyalty. He uses these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. He has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that he provides, and then questions the manner in which he provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, the great George W. Bush doesn't give a damn what you think!

*guilty* Oh, well, a guy can homicidally dream... Tanks are death traps anyway. <p> Let's be honest, we could nitpick anything to death. I don't think the quality dropped that much from the pilot, if anything it was about even. <p> I would however, never hang about in a department store in sight of a mob of zombies. You are like a tasty pie under glass! They gonna get you in their belly.

Ease off the throttle there Trigger and step away from the ledge. I was making a joke about the episode. I don't remember voting for W being part of the episode. Are you saying that voting for Bush should be included as a stereotype of Southern White Rednecks? If so, you are right it is a stereotype since I know plenty of rednecks that didn't vote for Bush. Or, are you using my previous post as a catalyst for your W Derangement? I does appear that is the case. Good luck to you. There are great deals on anti-anxiety meds these days.

"Are you saying that voting for Bush should be included as a stereotype of Southern White Rednecks?"<br><br>Stereotype? more like the truth. And those that haven't are most certainly libertarians, which is another set of foolhardiness. I don't know which scares me the most, the GOP neocons Bush fanboys or the libertarians.

*Yawn* Life is unfair. <p> I don't know how many true believers on both sides have gone down in fits because the bad guy "got away" with it. <p> I remember voting in the Election that W "stole"; I was surrounded by rich, old white people who sounded like they were bused in from a Church rally, muttering they were going to make sure their boy had a chance to continue "God's" work. I shit you not. <p> Am I a bitter cynical man? Somewhat, but I am also a longtime observer of the human condition. <p> Looks count, money counts, popularity counts, charisma counts and fools that cling to the truth as their ONLY sword are usually right but put on the chopping block for their efforts. <p> I'm not saying fighting the good fight is wrong, I'm just saying can we have a goddamn talkback without it always veering into fucking politics which is just as much a phony sham as fashion, style and any other way of delineating ourselves? ;-P

I like the bently continental very fast and sleek. but not many of them being driven here. I dont picture badass in a rolls-royce. I see dodge having beastly cars with that screaming hemi. im like hell Yeah! american muscle! I dont need to crappy ass prius running out of electricty halfway through my escape! lol. Now if it was one of those new tesla roadsters, we'd be in business. lmao. Hummers and tanks suck. too slow.

I can hear your blood pressure rising from way over here in Georgia.. are you really this uptight, or are you just kidding around??
Relax dude, we are just talking about zombies and geek stuff... I'm sorry you have "American envy" and probably "penis envy" as well, that is a tough break!

Certainly zo bie apocalypse stories, specially those that don't try too hardto play a realistic scenario of a desolated rundown world, play into many of our fantasies of what we could do, specially things that would had a criminal conotation. Like if we could just use any car we wanted without being caught stealing,or go living anywhere we wanted, in some big mansion, without it being breaking and entering, or shooting zombies for fun, without it being seen as psychopatic homicide. Most zombie storeis don't take their own scenario too seriously and play mostly as power fantasies. some zombie stories, like roemro's and this THE WALKING DEAD, however, try to be more sober and serious about the implications to us all of what a world like this would be. And it aint pretty. It also trashes and throws away all this fantasies most of us would have that "if a zombie apocalypse arrive,d i would be a total zombie killer badass". Which, in fact, we cwouldn't. More certainly the vast majority of us would be one of the zombies, and not the survivors. And evne if we were the survivors, we wouldn't the the cool ass zombie kilelr, but pathetic little parodies of humanity, less them bums trying to stay alive, with little to no food and always worring about shelter and survival on a minute-to-minute basis. A zombie apocalypse wouldn't be like a scene from 28 DAYS LATER, it would be more like a scene from THE ROAD, only worst.

What the hell is american envy? Does that thing even exists? Not in any western european country, that's for sure. The food is better here, for starters. How i know? I visited your country once, dude, i know, i was there. lay off your fantasy that people aroudnthe world have envy of the way americans live, because there's countries with better live standards then your country. Deal with it. On the human developement index scale, you guys rank 12. So, what are we envy of what, exactly? High violent crime rate? Social inequity? Low social protection and security? Expensive healthcare? Crappy general food quality? Really, what are we supposed to be so envious about? Give up that fantasy already, it is no longer true since the 1970s.

Even Romero changed his rules a little between NotLD and DotD. If you read Max Brooks, the same virus that causes the outbreak, Solonum I think, also acts as a preservative, deterring bugs and bacteria from eating the dead flesh. In his world zombies can last for years, can walk underwater, walk slowly and only have problems with sub freezing temps. <p>Apparently in Kirkman and Darabont's world, the "walkers" aren't slow, but they're not really fast either. They have more intelligence that Brooks' or Romero's zombies and are a bit more agile (climbing fences). They can smell living flesh, which seems to be a standard in zombie fiction, and it remains to be seen how long they can last. I don't have a problem with it, there's no rule book that says that Kirkman and Darabont have to follow the guidelines that were already laid out, and they've given their zombies the three most recognizable traits, they're living corpses, they have an appetite for live flesh and they have limited intelligence. Everything else is up for grabs. <p>I do prefer shambling zombies though.

I though the jamming of the knife was the start of the hotwiring procedual. I think the reason the producers of the show didn't showed the whole thingis due to not wanting to unwillignly influence kids and teach them how to do a criminal fellony act.

Where does this website originate from? Where does the The Walking Dead come from? Where does Superman come from??
Point. Set. Match. Yippee ki-yay, motherfucker!
P.S. I'm just bored at work, I don't really mean all this stuff.. In fact, it is my dream to visit the UK and Ireland, some of the most beautiful country in the world. (and make sweet love Kate Middleton while I'm there)

I'm loving the zombies in THE WALKIGN DEAD. Their aparent residual inteligence does make them a far more mencaing and unpredictable foe to the survivors. Ther whole scene when theheor and the young guy are walking about pretending to be zombies and painted with zombie gore, was tense like hell because you coudl see that some zombies seem to be not too foole dwith the ruse and were showing a lot of curiosity about the "new dudes" on the block. It looked like that at any moment their ruse could be blown by a more inquisitive zombie. I'm really loving this smarter zombies depcited in the show. We even see some of them use utensils, like the zombies who used rocks to smash the store window, which i think is a nod to romero's original zombie movie NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. In that movie, the first zombie uses a rock to smash a car window to get to Barbara. In fact, that same first zombie is even seen RUNNING, or something quite close to that! The very movie that brough our modern slow shambling zombies was also the first to depict a running zombie. Think about it.

"In fact, it is my dream to visit the UK and Ireland, some of the most beautiful country in the world".<br><br>I can't say that myself, but i have a friend that visited Ireland and he thinks the place is beautiful, and he barely left the region of Dublin. As for me, the most beautiful place in the world i ever seen is actually in USA, in the state of Pensilvania, a wooded mountain region, near a place where a battle was fought by George Washington. Well, it was also in USA i saw the ugliest place i ever been. It's called New Jersey, yeah, the whole state. No insult to all you Jersey boys, i'msure you guys mut be proud of your parcel of the world, but truly, your state is harldy pretty. I can't even understand why you call it the Garden State, it reads to me as some sort of a bad ironic joke. Hell, i even crossed the bridge that featured in the opening titles of THE SOPRANOS. And that TV show made it look ten times prettier then it really is.

calendar of Scotland right now at a beautiful picture of Eilean Donan Castle in the Scottish Highlands.
I do believe a clan of Highland Scots with broad swords could defend this castle from a million zombies! (but only if Bush was in command! LOL)

... i'd liek to ask all the americans in here, do you guys know how to drive cars with manual gear? And do you learn that in school, is it part of your normal driving school lessons? Or you need special lessons for that? Becasue, if i'm not too mistaken, it seems the vast majority of american cars are automatic gear and the vast majority of americans drive only automatic cars. Of course, this could just be a misconception by me, so, i ask you guys can you enlight me on this matter, please? Thanks.<br><br>As for in Europe, where i live, the vast majority of the cars in here are manual. Very few cars are automatic, you either have to chose that, or it only came in top tier type cars like Mercedes-Benz class E or S and, of course, hybrids.

Scotland, i would love to visit that place, always has been a dream of mine. But i don't think i would liek to visit it in wintertime. I'm portuguese, i'm from Iberia, the land that when it's hot, it's really hot, and i always liked heat better then cold.

It is true that almost all Americans drive automatics. I can drive manual, my dad had a Porsche when I was a teenager that I learned on and I used to have a manual Jeep Wrangler. But my wife can't drive one. I'm 36 (my kids are 7, 4 and 2) and I doubt they will ever drive one.

I did think about it, that's why I said Romero changed his rules between the first two films. It could be seen as refining the genre, but I feel he needed different monsters for the second film. NotLD featured much more alert and intelligent dead people, until DotD when his social commentary required them to be slower and dumber. Both films work great, but I've always been partial to the rules set up in DotD. <p>But I digress, and you're correct, the slightly more intelligent, agile zombies that Kirkman and Darabont have alot more potential in the long run, and that scene when they were in disguise was downright terrifying, especially with the woman keeping pace 6 inches from his neck. Great stuff.

Manual Porsche? Your father was a very brave man. So where you, if that was your introduction car to manual shift. Do you know why is it that automatic is so widespread in USA but not manual? THe reason why manual is prevalnt in europe is because, well, frankly, because it makes the cars cheapper. and many sports cars enthusiasts prefer it that ways because manual gears are lighter. It also used to be better at making a sportier car, but today's automatic gears, speciallt those from Mercedes-Benz, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Audi, are so good nowdays they can even outperform many manual gear cars.

over here with people texting, eating/ drinking, putting on make-up, etc.. while driving. If you actually had to use both hands to steer and shift, we'd be in big trouble! I think sports cars and some Jeeps are mainly the only manuals they make now. My wife even had an automatic Mustang...

I prefer auto. I mean manual the conbcept is easy one you get the hang of it. but if your real sloppy you could end up mesing up your gears when shifting. I aint got the money to replace those if i mess up.

The problem with such a term as "African-amwrican" is that itdoesn't specificy anything. It's very generic, as if Africa was all just one place, and all the people in it were all the same. Which is not. The cultural diversity in Africa is stagering. Hust to call a black dude africna because of his darker hue of skin is not only absurd, it's chauvinistic and demeaning. And frankly, just because a dude is black that doens't mean he can be automaticaly be called an african. African-amricans, at best, should only be aplied to peopel who were born in some africna country and were later naturalized american. Like the south-african born CHARLIZE THERON. In fact, Charlize Theron has a far better claim to be called an african-american then any black american born in USA descednent form former slaves (which most of them were bought and brough from the spanish and french Caribbeans and not Africa, anyway). Because Theron actually cames from Africa, and she naturalized an american citizen a few years ago because of her acting career. There's more to be africnaathen just the colour of your skin. To assume african automatically means black is pedantic, chauvinistic, and just plain wrong. I evne have examples from my own country Portugal to that. Portugal used to had colonies in Africa, like Angola, Cabo Verde, Guiné-Bissau and Mozambique. Many white people were born and raised there, until the independence of those said colonies. Adn they think of themselves as africans. The african-portugueses are not just the black people who come here, but also the whites who were born in our former colonies. And as for the black african-portugueses, they can actually make such a claim because the vast majority of them are actually african emigrants that got naturalized portruguese, unlike the vast majority of african-americans who can't even trace their own family tree origin past greatgrandmother. Truly, the term african-american, and native-american, is hameful. What's really is wrong about somebody saying he is black or indian? None, i say, none at all. I'm white, he's black, she's indian, so fucking what?

Automatic Mustang? You mean, the new Mustang, the fifth generation Mustang? I once saw one live in Algarve. algarve is south of my country and is a tourism oriented region. Either some american brough his car here, or some rich guy imported one. What imediatly impressed and suprised me about it is how big and long the car is. If you knew the average car lenght of a typical european car, you would understand. I mean, i repsently own an Honda Civic coupé, which means it's the coupé version of the sedan body, and it's considered a relatively long car in ehre, and it's 4,5 meter long. that's long in here. The Mustang must be like 5 meters long, maybe a bit longer. I'd hate to dirve that baby in our cities and streets, i tell you that. That car is only safe in highways, i tell you.

I totally agree with you an the "african-american' thing.. trust me, I've lived my whole life in/ near Atlanta, Georgia. The some blacks here, especially in the south, still have a MAJOR chip on their shoulder about the whole slavery thing...
They couldn't name 2 countries in Africa (in fact, most think Africa is one country) but they will get in your face and correct you if you call them "black" instead of African American!
I don't make people call me European-American.. it is ridiculous.. everyone in America is from somewhere else, unless you are a Native American (that is the only one I agree with, because they are not Indians)

All it takes is just soem use to. At first it does seem befuddling and confusing, you are always very self-concious, always checking out which gear you are presently on. and you are bound to ake mistakes, of course. but soon enough, you get used t it, so much so you even stop noticing it. Truly, it becames second nature very fast. If you drive everyday, by the end of the mouth you don't even consciously notice you are changing gears correctly. The appeal of the manual gear,s i think, is that it does give us this feeling we are comunicating with the car, which is true, we are.

If they can tear horses and people apart like roasted meat with their bare hands and teeth, no matter how decayed or rigor'd they are, they can sure enough climb a fence or run a bit. You could get a bunch of the strongest living people you know and they wouldn't be able to disembowel a horse or any large mammal with their hands.

One thing that i think indiasn should be cool about being called indians is because, in a subtle way, it is amockery on the whites. The indians are called that becaus rthe first europeans that landed in the americas though they were in India, or what they called THE INDIES. The indies proper refered not just to India, but the whole region we today call Indonesia. The first europeans sicne the vikings that arrived in the americans though they had landed in The indies, and thusy, mistakenly, they called the natives they found as indians, as in, the people from the indies. So, whenever i call a "native" from america an indian, in fact the joke is not on them but on the whites. Since i'm white myself,i take that joke in stride. And really, unless we go into the exact people they belong, be they cherokee, apache, etc, to have an indian being called an indian is no isnult at all. In fac,t i once meet an idian that he rather prefered being called an indian then a native-american, the later term really pissed him off. I don't blame him, it would me too.

Thjere's nothignto leap on an irish-american, because that's an exact term. African-american, however, isn't. It's generalistic and means nothing. Same with asian-american, i guess. I mean, with asians,their diversity is even bigger. Asianjs are chinese, hjapanese, mongols, indians, balinese, persians, arabs, etc, etc. My just call asian-americans to peoel of chinese, korean and japanese ascendency? Why be precise about the whityes but not onthe non-whites, you know what i mean? This is why i say this PC terms are actuially pretty racists themselves.

with only a little needless political/race crap digression. When Rick saves the people on the roof, he tells Merle in so many words that the races of people are irrelevant particularly in the world which they now live. That was supposed to be the point and that T-Dog actually even went back for Merle at all I think was (hopefully) him trying to be the better man. Ultimately, despite the minor complaints about quality, The Walking Dead will keep me coming back as long as it stays true to the theme of people trying to maintain their humanity in an undead world.

Maybe because of dissecation when we die our nails get thougher and thus work better as knives to tear skin and flesh? And then there's the fact that because zombies no longer feel pain, they can attack at full force at sowmthing which we as living beings wouldn't because it would hurt like hell and risk injury?

What the fuck am I reading.
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NotEnoughBiehn, I agree they really tore that horse apart easily! Not to mention it was a LIVING, kicking and scared horse, and they were STILL able to take it down with relative ease! WTF!

That would at least be an explanation, whether scientifically accurate or not, and one I would accept as 'monster lore' of a particular story. Although it does little to answer the argument that people make against zombies not being able to move quickly because their muscles are rotten. when they obviously exhibit super-strength in many instances.

dude we got major tires, major grip. Our cars sit low to the ground so what flipover are you concerned about. We are not speeding around courners, muscle cars, the new ones are very accurate. it's the drivers who cant drive for shit. If you dont know what your car is capable of, then how will you ever really drive it?
Who doesnt have correct handling when going around turns. our streets here in new york are very congested. i have not seen anyone crashing on a turn.

Should Black Americans take DNA tests to satisfy some notion of deserving their self designation?
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The legacy of rape and eugenics has
pretty much assured that African Americans claiming any particular nation to oneself is a turkey shoot. People are as likely to find themselves descendants of an obscure German Village as they are somewhere in Africa.
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It fascinates me that someone who professes indifference to race is at the front to state that African Americans bothers them.
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The home nation prefix is an arbitrary one that each group chooses to set itself from the others. There is no exact here it is people being people.
I wouldn't presume to deny the right of any people to describe themselves in anyway they wish.
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I know of the New York streets, i was there. but the thing is, in NY, the streets are easy to drive by, it's all straigh lines and curves, with only the lower Broadway and the financial district showing some more challenging street design because they are based on the old New Amsterdam streets. But i ask you, have you ever been to Europe? Because you have no idea how hard, ney, impossible it would be for an american muscle car to handle here. Or any regular country road. You guys would crash on the first corner, or you would drive at 20 miles hour at best, andyou would need to maneuver like you were parking in most corners and street corners. you have no idea how tigh and widing it can get in here. NY is kid's play compared. It's not the traffic and congestionthat's the problem, it's the streets and roads themsevles. Why do you think european car manufacturers give so much importance of handling above power? Handling here is PARAMOUNT, as much as economy and consuption, in account in Europe we pay for a little what you pay for a gallon. Also bnecause of taxes, which incide on engine's volumetry, we also have to make do with smallr engines and produce the same power you guys do in America with engines 3 times to size. This is why BMW can make a 2 litter turbo assisted engine produces 300 HP when an american car has a 5 litter engine to do the same, with turbo.

... american car engines are so huge, and it has to do with endurance, i believe. By far in average americans drive much more then europeans, you commute much more, you spent much more time driving to work and back home, and a big engine is more prone to stand the punishement of long driving. So there is a metode to the mandness of americans bulding such big engines for their cars, even if their power output is similair to an european or japanese engine 3 times smaller. Well, that's my take on it, anyway.

You can easily solve that by just saying "blacks". And you know, actually with DNA you can do pinpoint which part of Africa a black amrican would be from, if there wasn't much cross blooded in his family past. In fac,t a study like that was made a few years ago, andthe conclusiosn is that most black americans are from what's today's called the Ivory Coast. Which is not suprising, because in that area existed many smaller african kingdoms whose main commerce/trade was the selling of slaves to the european feitorias (trading post) of the portuguese, spanish, french, dutch and english around there. Those african kingdoms catpured other blacks from minor kingdoms or from small villagfes, and they sold them to the europeans, who them broughthem to the caribbeans. Then, centuries later, many american slave traders bought those caribeans black slaves, who were descendent form those african black slaves, and brough them to the USA. Rarely they were directly brough from Africa. The spanish and the french in the caribeans were the middlemen in the american slave trade. and yes, there's a differenc ebetween africans from the ivory coast from the africans in elsewhere africa. But the fact rmeians, the term african-american is absurd and redcutionist and chauvinistic and hides an inherent racism about the term. Blacks are blacks, and that's it. And don't forget, black is beautiful.

We really got more road than you??? WTF, ive seen the autobahn. Those roads are fucking amazing! it's not my fault y'all construction is made like sardine packages. Yeah our roads may be narrow, but we eventually slow down coming to corners. i dont know of any idiot who speeds up.
Now you say that it's all about handling? We can always increase our handling with aftermarket parts. and as far as car size goes, o well. lol. That's the price you pay for beauty. Not all cars here are muscle cars. alot of bmw's litter the streets, toyotas, hondas, it's a mixed bag.
Yep our engines are big because of the daily commute.

So Italians can call themselves "Italian-Americans" or Irish can call themselves "Irish Americans" but if black people, who don't know where in Africa they came from, and therefore cannot claim a specific region or country or people, refer to themselves as "African Americans" that is bigotry? Bullshit. Racism isn't just noticing that there are differences--it is claiming that those differences mean different levels of quality or capacity. Saying that less racism exists in America now than fifty or 100 years ago? Truth. Saying that the playing field is level? Ignorance.

You know who laught the most at the african-american nonsense term? The real africans themselves. Becausei tell you, if i wasn an african, i would feel pretty amsused and insulted by the way the american blacks try to push and stick to them an african identity they don't really have. I would be pretty fucking insulted, and with right.

"Yep our engines are big because of the daily commute."<br><br>I suspected as much. Thanks for enlight me on that.<br><br>Maybe i didn't made myself understood well: we do have highways all over Europe, and most of them are excelent for fast driving. The german autobahsn are exceptions in that they don't have speed limits, and as such, they need to be in very high manutence,and thus, they are dream roads to cross... if you don't find a truck that's speeding like hell, because german truck drivers, specially those from the former east germany, don't bother to signal a change of direction, as if everybody had the tetepathic duty to guess whatever crosses their minds all the time and they owned the roads.<br><br>But the thign about european cars, and also japanese, is that we don't have the muscle car culture. muscle cars are exclusive of USA and Australia,a nd if we see the big teritoral expanses if your countries, it's not that suprising. But in Europe, space is a litle bit tighers. most roads, except ighays, are build on former dirt roads, which means, they are pretty winding. Most cities have old parts which can date as back as the 17th century or more and thus it has narrow steets with tigh corner,s because they were built at a time when the fastest thing was a ox-cart. Cars made in Europe have to deal with that right from the start, and this is why they have to have pretty good handling right from the go, right from factory. My own honda, which i told before, it was actually build in USA, and i can tell by the handling that it is an american car. It drives wonderfully in a highway, but cornering in a city can be a chore, becasue my car is the least handling performance car i ever knew. In europe, american-type car handling is just murder.<br><br>also, i have as philosophy that a car should be changed from how it came from the factory. Shoving aftermarket parts into a car is jsut a bad deal for me, and it's merely patching faulty construction at best. At worst, it's fucking up a car. If car manufacturers made a car as it is and no more then it is, it has to be for a good reason, as in, the car can't handle more. If the car is to have mordomies and extra package, better it be right when it was build in the company's own factory. That's how i think about it.

i live in distant Portugal, how could i go into the showbusiness? and no, i'm not bitter in not being in any business. I'm a paying costumer who doesn't like to be ripped-off with bullshit. If one feels ripped-off by buying crpa, like a crap car., the same is true for movies as well. If Hollywood is a business, then they should be held to the same standards as any other industry. Nobody likes a shit car designed and made by morons, the same should be should be for movies. Why should movies be any different. do you understand now? It's the lovers of dumb shit movies who should feel ashamed, not us who rightfully demand quality from the movies we pay to watch. How fucking hard is this to understand?

Movies are about taste man, its art. For instance, I don't like foreign movies but others love them, some like Harry Potter, I distaste it. There are no specific standards to follow. They do what is humanly possible, selling a new piece of art to the masses is tricky.

Oh now movies are art? If i said movies was art, you would call me pretentious. Because i called on the rights of a consumer due to a bad product, now movies suddently became art and above reproach. Give me a break. Yes, there ar estandards to follow: inteligence, smart, professionalism, attention to detail, and most of all, respect for the audience which are the paying costumers. And all dumb movies fail on the latter. You cannot get free lunches for living crap stupid bullshit movies which are below basic standards. This is as true to cars or refrigerators or music or movies, whichever is sold as a product for profit. Movies as pure art in itself are pretty rare, and even those are e not above criticism. You guys who eat up bullshit dumb ass movies and like them, you should really give everybody else a break, because your arguments don't and can't hold water. You only have yourselves to blame for that, and not others. Accept responsability for the shit you like. It's not the others who call shit as it is that are a problem. The others are not pretentious, it's you who have low standards. And that is a problem very easy to resolve, just care a little bit about movies and give yourself some self-respect.

as much as i love the series,(still no region 1 DVD Set)I can't concur that it shits on WD, especially since we have only seen 2 eps thus far and it's way too soon to make a judgement call.However, after watching the underwhelming 2nd episode, i just hope the remaing segments fare much better.Time will tell.

Tell me where you live, friend. Because there ar emany regional roads and citiy streets where i live in Portugal where driving a car like a Mustang or a Charger would be a challenge. Far worst, though, would be to drive a Ford F-150 in the same places where the usual european pick-up truck can go. And yes, there's the business of consuption and economy. American cars, specially sport cars, are very thirsty.

I don't understand, are you saying that the second episode of THE WALKING DEAD was underwhelming? Because, for me, both episodes of TWD are brillant. If the first episode made me interested to see what will happen next, the second episode made me interested to see the rest of the series and wish for a second season. I'm very, very pleased with it and i'm pretty enthusiastic about it. This show is ace.

when comparing the two eps, the first one wins overall and not just because it had frank's name attached, but as i have previously mentioned in regards to the debut episode,(citing Morgan's hesitation to kill his wife who is now Zombified and left with a spark of memory of where she had resided with both her husband and son.) I liked the human aspect/emotional reprecussions due to a zombie Apocalypse and judging from this episode, i see plenty of potentual.Needless to say, I have read a few WD issues here and there which is simular to what has been aired on tv, but more "hardcore".<p>I thought Rooker's character merle was gone too soon as i saw potentual for development.In other words, this redneck racist will understand that there is no black or white, just "White meat and dark meat" as rick said.The black character from the recent episode was more like a phoned in part, there was really nothing convincing about his desperation to save merle after he got his ass handed to him.he reminded me of Cleaveland Brown's son, but without the glasses.LOL<P>Rick's wife getting bumped from behind came off a bit as fan service and there was no need to show that particular scene, unless it's to point out how easily she gives in.I like the scene in which the Zombies are breaking through glass.it reminded me instantly of a scenario in the Resident Evil 2 game and almost as if the said scene was lifted or inspired from the game.<p>And despite my critique, i would let these guys do a remake of the franchise that paul weasel shit anderson had fucked up since the first RE movie.<p>Glad you (also) like the series as it has great potentual.

What's amusing about foreign films, is that there are plenty that are better written than the crap Hollywood has been spewing out recently. I guess that explains the option to remake let the right one in as well as the girl with the dragon tattoo.

I say hell yes to that, but I think that's unlikely. I used to LOVE LOVE LOVE those games. One of my daydreams back in the day was to make a Survival Horror Haunted House, but I always suspected that I'd be too un-insurable or something. <p> The Dead Set was an awesome surprise, I saw that last year- forget your initial disdain for the Big Brother conceit and go with it, it's really pretty damn good.

He's seen in the preview as being imminently in peril, but if his character was in the comic, then I'm sure some of you already know his fate. I really hope they only use the comic as a template. <p> The second episode was written by Frank, if I remember correctly, but directed by someone else?!? I re-watched the premiere on HULU the other day, it's got feature film quality framing, etc. I just not sure if that can be sustained on a series, I hope so.

First one was decent and especially the ending.2 one took heavily from the game which I loved! Jill, Carlos, nikolai and nemesis?! That's what I came to see. It seriously deviated from the source material in the 3rd. The world was destroyed, because the virus was left unchecked? WTF was that shit? We probably won't even get to see other major characters like Leon s. Kennedy! Everything was fucked up storywise. Anderson is a true hack, because his vision for the games was bullshit...

Since youguys are saying such good things about Dead Set, i'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up, friends.<br><br>And i ahve to say, i loved that actor who played the father who had his wife recently turned into a zombie and he couldn't brimg himself to shoot her. The dude was fantastic. and his final scene, with him tryingand failing to shot his wife, was very moving. It's scene s.ike tha,t and shows like THE WALKING DEAD, that proves to me, again, that there are no bad genres, that there are no inherently silly or duimbed down genres, that it's possible to make grat movies or show from any and every genre, regardless of subject. Including zombies. Anybody who thinks that just because a movie is form a sonce such genre or subgenre makes it automatically a silly and dumb and thus excuse crappy movies, he's a fool. You can do good about anything, as long you are talented, honest and respect the audience. There's absolutly no excuse for crappy dumbed down movies. I'm loving, loving, loving THE WALKING DEAD. Bring it on!

I just watched episode two, and I'm not loving the show. I can why zombie enthusiasts love it, but not being one myself, it hasn't done anything to make me feel differently. The first ep had some great scenes, especially the mother at the door. But the chopping scene in two was overdone, poorly acted, and just plain nonsensical -- don't get any on your skin, but everyone stand around and watch real close, don't leave the room or anything.

That's an interesting point. Given the splatter, the zombies must have functioning circulatory systems. Otherwise, any blood would be pooled in their feet. But then what about beings whose blood is clearly all gone, like the half-woman?

Yes Davina McCall would be a agro zombie chasing down members as they leave the premesis prior to the public every time getting in there first - so lets film Davina McCall over and over and over to make up screen time and kill the joke. I love Charlie Brooker, but i found it a real let down, some great stuff completely stretched out way longer than it needed, the main point or social/cultural commentary was made in the first 15mins and then had nothing else to say or come up with for the rest, just revolving/regurgitating...this series completely shits over Dead Set, and believe me it hurts to say that. It feels like Betrayal, what with Kevin Eldon as well, but...