WWI Digest 2513
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Work Benches
by "Lance Krieg"
2) Goin' on Holidays
by "Graham Hunter"
3) Re: Work Benches
by "Matt Bittner"
4) Re: Work Benches
by "Lance Krieg"
5) Re: Work Benches
by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
6) Re: Work Benches
by "Matt Bittner"
7) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
by Albatrosdv@aol.com
8) Re: Newbie cry for help
by Dennis Ugulano
9) Re: Searching for Kits
by Albatrosdv@aol.com
10) Passchendaele 1-48 Halberstadt D.III
by "Dale Beamish"
11) Re: Kit Recommendations
by Albatrosdv@aol.com
12) Re: Work Benches
by Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
13) Re: New images
by Albatrosdv@aol.com
14) Re: New images for Otis
by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
15) Replicating plywood paneling
by WStew10180@aol.com
16) RE: New images
by "dfernet0"
17) EBAy 1/8 Fokker
by "Dale Beamish"
18) Re: New images
by "Matt Bittner"
19) Re: New images
by "Limon3"
20) Re: Searching for Kits
by "Nigel Rayner"
21) New Images
by MAnde72343@aol.com
22) Re: Replicating plywood paneling
by Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
23) Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
by "Michael Kendix"
24) Re: Searching for Kits
by KarrArt@aol.com
25) Re: Kit Recommendations
by KarrArt@aol.com
26) Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
by KarrArt@aol.com
27) Re: Work Benches
by KarrArt@aol.com
28) Re: Searching for Kits
by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A."
29) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
by MAnde72343@aol.com
30) Re: It's done
by "Bob Pearson"
31) Re: Newbie cry for help
by "Nigel Rayner"
32) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
by "John J. Ernst, A.I.A."
33) Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
by "Matt Bittner"
34) Re: Searching for Kits
by "DAVID BURKE"
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:13:31 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg"
To:
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID:
I'm still evolving the "perfect" bench. Since I propose to die in my current house, I am building for the ages. My latest innovation is a set of rolling shelves that trundle, cart-like, to the side of the desk for airbrushing station, drill press and machining operations, or computer use, depending upon the immediate need.
I've been working on this for the last two summers (I do everything slowly), and hope to finish this fall. I'll post pictures when I'm done, but it is going to be so cool I'm afraid that list members will arrive and try to take it away from me.
I got a big wood and glass display case from a hobby shop over twenty years ago, that has moved with me from one marriage to another. It houses the finished models, well away from airbrushes, dust, or grubby little fingers. It is a huge eyesore that all wives have detested and tried to separate from me, but I have persevered.
When I die I will leave it to Matt Bittner, because it would hold an entire airfleet in 1/72nd, or even a couple of Zeppelin-Staakens.
Lance
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:18:49 -0500
From: "Graham Hunter"
To:
Subject: Goin' on Holidays
Message-ID: <000001bffe27$4b643020$fa0101c0@grahamh>
I will be unsubbing later today as I start my holidays. I will be off for a
week.
Regards, Graham H.
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:16:17 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner"
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu"
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <200008041518.IAA25513@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote:
> (I do everything slowly)
That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! ;-)
Matt Bittner
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:33:47 -0500
From: "Lance Krieg"
To:
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID:
Matt chimes in:
"That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! "
Okay, smartass, I'm leaving my display case to Dennis Ugulano, whose got a collection large enough to be worthy of it.
Of course, his wife will try to stop him...
Lance
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:23:16 -0500
From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID:
Hey Matt,
Those who live in glass houses...
Later!
Brent
"Matt Bittner" @pease1.sr.unh.edu on 08/04/2000
10:22:08 AM
Please respond to wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Sent by: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list
cc:
Subject: Re: Work Benches
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT), Lance Krieg wrote:
> (I do everything slowly)
That's what happens when you live in Des Moines, IA! ;-)
Matt Bittner
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:42:12 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner"
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu"
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <200008041547.IAA24436@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:41:22 -0400 (EDT), Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
wrote:
> Those who live in glass houses...
Hey, I already put my stint in at Des Moines. Done my duty, so to
speak. How about you? ;-) :-P
Matt Bittner
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:50:13 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
Message-ID:
In a message dated 8/4/00 2:26:19 AM EST, witulski@bgamld.bg.am.lodz.pl
writes:
<< I have to agree with you Tom. This is very nice resin kit. And IM review
would be very helpful, especialy detailing of Argus. I havn't built this
kit yet but I'm gald that I bought it. Only one thing which needs
corecting are struts. I'll use bamboo (never done it before) or use
Aeroclub aerofoil struts set to make them for my Halb.
May be I try to convert this one to MvR D.II? >>
I'm sure Bob Pearson can post the specific URL for the IM article. Steve
Perry answered all the questions anyone could have - and the ones no one else
would think to ask - about detailing the engine and doing bamboo struts in
his January 2000 artice at Internet Modeler.
Cheers,
TC
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:55:01 -0400
From: Dennis Ugulano
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu"
Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <200008041155_MC2-AEA4-44FA@compuserve.com>
John,
>> That's just for us anal types.
;-) Build something out of the box, and be done with it. <<
I absolutely agree with Matt here. The D.VII or the Dr1 Triplane
by Revell are excellent starter kits. Neither have enough rigging to scare
anyone and the results are rewarding. Ease into WW1 with kits that will
not give you sticker shock or are so difficult that it will discourage you.
The motto of the group is Dicta Ira or Have Fun.
As far as questions, in the year and a half that I've been here, I
haven't seen a question go unanswered or anyone laughed off the forum.
Enjoy yourself here.
Dennis Ugulano
email: Uggies@compuserve.com
http://members.xoom.com/Uggies/dju.htm
Page Revised 8/2/00
"Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism."
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:00:59 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID:
In a message dated 8/4/00 6:39:38 AM EST, jernst@delucahomes.com writes:
<< First, let me thank everyone that has made this
"newbee" feel welcome.It is somewhat intimidating
to open the door to a club where everyone seems to
be an expert, and you are asking directions on
really basic stuff. Thanks also for the various
kit recommendations.
Everybody here is expert on something, and "basic" (relatively speaking) on
other things. The good thing is, unlike some clubs, we all admit it.
So I go down to my local hobby store (Penn Valley
Hobby center, for those keeping score at home),
armed with my list of recommended kits. Here I
thought that they had alot of kits. THey do, just
not the ones I'm looking for. Most of the Eduard
kits are 1/48. The only 1/72 kits, with a decent
selection, were Toko - I've heard of them , but
don't know much about them. Also, I can't get over
the price of kits. The Eduard 1/48 stuff is around
$22.- $28. Whoa! I might start w/ the 1/72 stuff
just for economics. I did find the Revell 1/72
D.VII, for less than $5.
>>
You have been gone for a long time, haven't you? :-)
Once you get past the sticker shock, and do some elementary arithmetic
calculations to factor in inflation for the years you have been out of the
hobby, you'll discover these prices are not that far out of line - relatively
speaking - and when you factor in the quality content of the Eduard kits they
are a positive bargain. The entire hobby, not just WW1 kits, is vastly
different than you remember. Kits aren't made for kids anymore, because most
kids don't have anything to do with them anymore (and for the rest of you - I
am *not* starting another "is the hobby dying?" thread here, OK?). The
majority of active modelers are adults with adult skill levels and adult
income levels, both of which are reflected in the products available.
Cheers,
Tom Cleaver
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:04:30 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish"
To: "List"
Subject: Passchendaele 1-48 Halberstadt D.III
Message-ID: <010401bffe2d$bbb2bda0$e537b8a1@darcy>
Try this for the Halberstadt
Dale
http://internetmodeler.com/jan2000/aviation/halberstadt.htm
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:07:16 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <30.888862f.26bc4434@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 7:22:25 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:
<< I look at not only Alberto's and
Hustad's stuff, but also Lance's stuff and realise I have a long ways
to go before I'm as good as those individiuals. >>
Actually, if you want to get inspired, you can pretty much start at "A" and
go to "Z" in the Model Gallery up on the site, and look at what everyone does
here. Since he hasn't sent anything in for the site, I'd also include Robert
Karr's site, so you can see the famous scratchbuilt 1/32 Gotha and 1/48
Handley-Page O/400 and have a *real* "Whooaaaaaa!" response. (RK's site:
http://members.aol.com/karrart/index.html)
Tom Cleaver
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:10:54 -0500
From: Brent_A_Theobald@seagate.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID:
Howdy!
>> Those who live in glass houses...
>Hey, I already put my stint in at Des Moines. Done my duty, so to
speak. How about you? ;-) :-P
I have you beat. I did my stint in Cedar Rapids. So THERE!!!
Locals descibed Cedar Rapids to me as "Just as cold as Des Moines, but
without all the excitement." Someday I'll regale you all with tales of
boredom from Cedar Rapids, IA.
Later!
Brent
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:25:55 EDT
From: Albatrosdv@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: New images
Message-ID: <60.5acd8c3.26bc4893@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 8:27:13 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:
<< just uploaded 9 new images of Otis Goodin's new SSW D.III. Well
done, Otis!
>>
Matt:
I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII
(if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of
the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem??
TC
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:36:41 -0400
From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: New images for Otis
Message-ID:
Matt,
Correct the link - you end up on his "real" photos, not the model page.
Otis
I hope my SS D.III turns out half as nice.
Brian
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:37:12 EDT
From: WStew10180@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Replicating plywood paneling
Message-ID: <66.6332054.26bc4b38@aol.com>
Dear Gang,
I'm new to the "list" and am delighted at all the info available.
I'm wondering what is the best way to simulate wood paneling on my Eduard
Albatros DVa? Also, am I the only one bothered by those big panel lines on
the same?
Yours,
Bill Stewart
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:32:28 -0300
From: "dfernet0"
To:
Subject: RE: New images
Message-ID: <016101bffe31$97bc0ec0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar>
Tom:
Try http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/Images/Goodin/CP/SSW_DIII.html
and enjoy! Gee, I wish i could do such a good job on the dark wooden
fuselage of my Albatros!
D.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: New images
> In a message dated 8/4/00 8:27:13 AM EST, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:
>
> << just uploaded 9 new images of Otis Goodin's new SSW D.III. Well
> done, Otis!
> >>
>
> Matt:
>
> I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his
D.VII
> (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load
of
> the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem??
>
> TC
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:37:54 -0600
From: "Dale Beamish"
To: "List"
Subject: EBAy 1/8 Fokker
Message-ID: <012001bffe32$59f03e80$e537b8a1@darcy>
Is anyone bidding on this?
Dale
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:51:55 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner"
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu"
Subject: Re: New images
Message-ID: <200008041653.JAA01419@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote:
> I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his D.VII
> (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load of
> the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem??
Works for me. Flush your memory and disk cache's, and try again.
Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:21:28 -0700
From: "Limon3"
To:
Subject: Re: New images
Message-ID: <000a01bffe38$6dc4c920$24bf113f@f4w2s5>
Worked for me too. Hey Otis, super job on the SSW, I sure couldn't do that
model justice, and believe me, I tried!
Gabe
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bittner
To: Multiple recipients of list
Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: New images
>On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT), Albatrosdv@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I just went to take a look, and the newest model on Otis' pages was his
D.VII
>> (if the rest haven't seen that, go look - it's great!). I did a re-load
of
>> the page, and still didn't see the SSW D.III - is there a problem??
>
>Works for me. Flush your memory and disk cache's, and try again.
>
>
>Matt Bittner
>WW1 Modeling Site Assistant Editor :-)
>
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:27:56 +0100
From: "Nigel Rayner"
To:
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <000801bffe39$549c8cc0$4746883e@w1o0t3>
John wrote:
>Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about
>glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc...
Try www.ipmsusa.org, the IPMS USA howmpage - quite a lot of hints and links
there. The best site I found was the rec.scale.models faq, but it doesn't
seem to be available anymore - anyone got any ideas?
>I assume my days of spraying 1/2
>can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess
>I'll need to invest in an airbrush.
Noo. Airbrushes are the work of the devil, polluting the world with noxious
substances and causing death, mayhem and general destruction wherever they
are used. Now, I may be overstating things, but I don't use an airbrush.
Never had the money to afford one when I was younger and don't propose to
start now I can afford one. If you know how to use them, then fine, but if
you don't, I wouldn't bother. They're complicated and messy, and if you're
like me and only have very limited modelling time, just not practical. Be a
real man - use brushes!!!!
Putting on my reasonable face (and attempting to avoid some of the flamers),
I'd say an airbrush is probably useful in 1/48 and desirable in larger
scales, where brushmarks might show up more. But if you work in 1/72, you
will find deft brushwork works fine. And remember, very few sprayed finishes
in WWI (but there are some, which can be emulated through brushwork).
Cheers,
Nigel
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:22:06 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: New Images
Message-ID:
Otis does it again, makes the rest of feel pretty humble. Nice job!
Merrill
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:31:16 -0400
From: Brian.Nicklas@nasm1.si.edu
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Replicating plywood paneling
Message-ID:
Bill,
Look at the "Great Albatros Cook-up" site and there is a ton of info to
help you. The second URL leads to paneling "HOW-TOs"
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/OTprojects/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/OTprojects/kittech_woodgrain.html
Also reviews on Internet Modeller and Modelling Madness have shown plywood
tips.
Are you working in 1/72 or 1/48?
And when you get done, you can join the others on the page (I will too if I
get my fingers to cooperate with the models...)
Brian
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:30:39 GMT
From: "Michael Kendix"
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID:
>From: "Nigel Rayner"
>
>OK the DVII is relatively accurate, but it needs sanding, the struts >are
>too thick, the guns are crap, there's no interior detail etc etc. >And the
>Eduard non-Profipack version is really good value for money. >Also, there's
>no lozenge to deal with.
>
...
>A clunker. Good basic kit, but by the time you've added aftermarket
> >decals, decent guns and some aftermarket interior parts, you're >looking
>at more than five bucks! You'll have to fill the sink holes, >sand the ribs
>down, replace the struts and scratchbuild some interior >parts to get a
>decent looking kit.
Nigel:
Can't say that I disagree with the substance of anything you say here but
for me, the upside to the Revell Fokker D.VII kit is that it can be built as
a simple first kit, without spending any money on after market stuff, or you
can go to the limit. The only "extras" required for building this kit are
paints, glue, sanding paper/sticks and filler (Squadron White). The pilot
that comes with the kit is nice enough and can be painted up. I know it's
not in vogue to do pilots but that doesn't stop the likes of Robert Karr
with his E.V. The guns are not terrible nor are the struts, and all the
struts fit. The top wing is easy to glue on because of the "N" struts.
There are some non-lozenge schemes so you don't have to buy after market
decals. If you want to do lozenge, and you really don't want to buy them,
the kit contains blank lozenge hexagon decals that you can colour in to your
own taste. Rigging is minimal to the extent that it won't be missed by
those who know little about WWI (just do the cross wires between the landing
gear struts).
The Eduard D.V/D.Va kits are everything you say but the rigging is necessary
to make it look authentic. The interplane rigging is non-trivial and, as
with most kits, is a basic pain in the neck to be minimized in the case of
first time builders.
Michael
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:18 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <22.974383e.26bc5a02@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 5:51:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jernst@delucahomes.com writes:
<<
I think I'll fit in just fine. As an architect, my life is filled with
worrying about details - some more anal than others.
Is there sosmewhere on the net that can give me some more basics about
glues, fillers, paints, techniques, etc... I assume my days of spraying 1/2
can of testor's cherry red on a Dr.1 have come to a crashing halt. I guess
I'll need to invest in an airbrush.
john >>
A belated welcome John, and Dale, and anyone else that has joined lately.
AND, if spraying half a can of cherry red on a Triplane makes you happy- go
for it!
Anal is as anal does!
RK
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:19 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations
Message-ID: <76.1cca65f.26bc5a03@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 5:22:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:
<< don't build
1/72nd because we're lazy. Just the opposite, actually. Most of the
new 1/48th kits come decked out with everything. >>
Kits? What are "kits"?
RK
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:20 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Paaschendaele Halberstadt kit
Message-ID: <30.888bfb2.26bc5a04@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 3:26:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes:
<< Tom:
Robert the K once recommended me to check the tailskid arrangement on the
pictures of the datafile and not those on the Stairs drawings, since they're
different.
HTH
D. >>
I had forgotten about that! The Halb tailskid arrangement was like the early
Fokkers- an inverted pyramid thingy. I guess Stair just had a brain belch on
the drawings.
RK
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:40:16 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Work Benches
Message-ID: <10.7f74d9.26bc5a00@aol.com>
In a message dated 8/4/00 7:40:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
albatros1212@altavista.com writes:
<< I've noticed that we seem to have quite a few profesionals in the group.
Seems like a pretty great job - but doesn't it sometimes wreck it for you.
I made a 1/48 Apache for work once - it was still a lot of fun to make, but
it broke my heart to part with it in the end. >>
I guess building to another person's specs for money makes one a
professional, at least sometime. I don't do much of it, and when I do, I'm
usually so sick of the project that I can't wait to see it leave the house!
This kind of work does sometimes eat into the inspiration required for one's
own model building. After I come off a binge of commission work, about the
last thing I want to do is build anything....then that ol' urge starts, and I
get to make something I want!
RK
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:40:40 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A."
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <398B0018.DE4B4DE8@delucahomes.com>
Nigel Rayner wrote:
> But if you work in 1/72, you will find deft brushwork works fine.
Boy, am I glad to hear that. I really don't have the room, or the ventilation to
be spraying alot of stuff in the air(my family is allergic to many of the fumes
I've experimented with. I had to switch to glue stick instaed of "dope" to apply
tissue to my balsa planes). Not to mention the sudden outlay of cash to get back
into the hobby. I'm hoping to purchase equipment on an selective basis. This is
alot easier to explain, and helps to keep my wife happy.I'm sure we've all been
there in some way or another.
john ernst
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:45:23 EDT
From: MAnde72343@aol.com
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <15.785c2b9.26bc5b33@aol.com>
Hooray for Mike K! Model snobbery (which bites me on occasion) is most
unbecoming, Nigel& etc. The Revell kits are OK, especially for their 'time,'
over 30 years ago. (I built them all when I was in junior high) OK, not as
good as some, but better than most Airsucks, and easier to build than
Toko/Roden. As to the DVII, no less a modeler than Steve Hustad stated that
it's an adequate start point, and doesn't need to be totally re done.
Merrill
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:26:37 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson"
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: It's done
Message-ID: <200008041757.KAA19187@mail.rapidnet.net>
> The Datafile is the Felixstowe F.2A and the front cover is the red
> and white dazzle color scheme. I went and stroked my Aeroclub vac of the
> kit. I'm weakening. Someone help me.
Heavens no .. of the three Felixstowe kits that is far and away the best .
.. go for it .. I can't wait to see it done
Bob
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:58:32 +0100
From: "Nigel Rayner"
To:
Subject: Re: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <000d01bffe3d$9b04b3a0$4746883e@w1o0t3>
Matt wrote:
>I will have to disagree with Nigel here. Since the guy is new, he
>would not have to replace everything. That's just for us anal types.
>;-)
Afraid I have to disagree with Matt's disagreement. As someone that was
brought back to modelling and lured into WWI by the list, it's not just anal
types that would want to do this. The trouble I had was that the standard of
the models in the gallery is so high, when I started I wanted to build
something that wasn't too far off that standard. To me there would be
nothing more dispiriting than building something didn't look halfway decent
when compared to the rest of the models in the gallery. The problem is that
an OOB DVII will not come near the standard of most of the models in the
gallery (remember, there's not even a seat in it!), and could put a damper
on that keen new spirit.
>Build something out of the box, and be done with it.
Agree totally. An Eduard DV/DVa is just the thing for that. Can you imagine
a more depressing start to your first model - first, fill the sink holes.
Second, sand off the bogus fabric weave? With the good old Eddie, you just
cut the bits off the sprue and start building. Actually, it nearly does that
by itself - you virtually have to hold the damn thing down in the box.
>While you'll still have to remove the molding problems (dimples, etc.) the
D.VII
>still has a lot less rigging than the D.V.
Agree, the rigging *is* a challenge. But I actually found that less
difficult than I thought it would be, and an Albatros is not too complicated
(it was the first model I tried). Remember, rigging is part of WWI
modelling. It depends on John's skill level - if you haven't done a lot of
model correcting (filling holes, sanding etc) the DVII will be tough. You
don't need to do any of that with the Eduard. And if you really don't want
to do much rigging, try the Eduard 1/72 Triplane (although I haven't built
that., so I am guessing it's easy.....).
John, here's the solution. Buy a DVII to practice a bit of gluing and
painting (brushes, of course ;-)). Then build an Eduard DV/DVa!!
Whatever you do, remember the key phrase - Dicta Ira (an ex-list member who
always said "have fun" - that's what it's all about).
Cheers,
Nigel
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:02:14 -0400
From: "John J. Ernst, A.I.A."
To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <398B0526.F01709CD@delucahomes.com>
>
> paints
which kind, brand?
> glue
I see various references to cya (i think)
> filler (Squadron White)
is this a brand name, or color?
I've already got the the WSDF, and the bi-focals. I think I'm set.
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:09:25 -0500
From: "Matt Bittner"
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu"
Subject: Re: Revell Fokker D.VII/ was: Newbie cry for help
Message-ID: <200008041811.LAA14793@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:08:31 -0400 (EDT), John J. Ernst, A.I.A. wrote:
> which kind, brand?
Depends! Do you want acrylics or enamels? On the acrylic side you
have Polly Scale, and the newest, MisterKit which makes lines of WW1
paints.
> I see various references to cya (i think)
CA is superglue and the like. Don't remember what CA stands for,
though, and probably would mis-spell it if I remembered. :-) Also look
to "liquid cement" like Weld-On, or Temeks (?) which is used for
plastic only. White glue - believe it or not - can also still be used
for certain things, like attaching real-wire rigging.
> > filler (Squadron White)
>
> is this a brand name, or color?
Yes; it's a brand name and a color. The white is a very fine putty.
There's also Squadron Green, and Dr. Microtools. Personally I use 3M
acryl, which is an auto-body filler.
Matt Bittner
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:59:09 -0500
From: "DAVID BURKE"
To:
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
Message-ID: <009101bffe40$30750280$e283aec7@com>
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Multiple recipients of list"
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Searching for Kits
> In a message dated 8/4/00 6:39:38 AM EST, jernst@delucahomes.com writes:
>
> << First, let me thank everyone that has made this
> "newbee" feel welcome.It is somewhat intimidating
> to open the door to a club where everyone seems to
> be an expert, and you are asking directions on
> really basic stuff
Well, we're all experts on different things. Personally, I'm an expert at
making an ass of myself.
>
> Everybody here is expert on something, and "basic" (relatively speaking)
on
> other things. The good thing is, unlike some clubs, we all admit it.
>
Well, not ALL of the time.... ;-)
> So I go down to my local hobby store (Penn Valley
> Hobby center, for those keeping score at home),
> armed with my list of recommended kits. Here I
> thought that they had alot of kits. THey do, just
> not the ones I'm looking for. Most of the Eduard
> kits are 1/48. The only 1/72 kits, with a decent
> selection, were Toko - I've heard of them , but
> don't know much about them.
You like 1/72 and are a 'newbie'? Try the Eduard Albatrod D.Va in 1/72, and
if your store can't get 'em, I can tell you where you can!
Also, I can't get over
> the price of kits. The Eduard 1/48 stuff is around
> $22.- $28. Whoa! I might start w/ the 1/72 stuff
> just for economics. I did find the Revell 1/72
> D.VII, for less than $5.
> >>
Gotta agree with you there, and as a primarily 1/72 builder, I can
sympathise. Of course, you COULD get the 1/28 Revell kits, especially the
Fokker Dr.1. Cheap, easy to build, and apart from some inaccuracies, a fun
model to build!
>
> Once you get past the sticker shock, and do some elementary arithmetic
> calculations to factor in inflation for the years you have been out of the
> hobby, you'll discover these prices are not that far out of line -
relatively
> speaking - and when you factor in the quality content of the Eduard kits
they
> are a positive bargain. The entire hobby, not just WW1 kits, is vastly
> different than you remember. Kits aren't made for kids anymore, because
most
> kids don't have anything to do with them anymore (and for the rest of
you - I
> am *not* starting another "is the hobby dying?" thread here, OK?). The
> majority of active modelers are adults with adult skill levels and adult
> income levels, both of which are reflected in the products available.
>
The hobby WILL die out unless we can get more Junior modelers into it. But
TC is correct in his statement that the expensive stuff is aimed at us
esoteric types who just HAVE to have EVERY sub-type of Albatros, and
preferably model every damned one that was ever made!
DB
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