We have asked faction leaders to answer the following questions:
-What’s the best list in your faction?
-Which of your factions casters is the most overrated?
-Which of your factions casters is the most underrated?
-If you had to rank your faction from 1-12 vs. the other factions where would you rank it?

15 Responses to "2017 Meta Update Series"

As the self-proclaimed pope of Doom2 I figured I’d rebut his overrated-ness.

Doom2 in the right matchups is just straight up BONKERS. He dominates PoM, Circle, Khador and Ret (at least when Vyros and Rahn are in vogue it changes when Issyria is popular). Axis-less CoC isn’t great into them. I think it even has game into Fyanna.

Trolls are predicated on the design idea that they should take the first hit on the chin and then retaliate with sufficient punch to make up for their losses. Doom2 says screw that I’m going to hit first then you’re going to have to deal with all my arm 20/21 heavies in your face with your diminished forces. If you can’t one round them with a single heavy, they’ll spawn whelps to block the charge lanes of any follow up from non-reach heavies. Mulg with Wild Aggression will as often as not crit smite the first heavy that goes for him in some kind of screwed up reverse enliven. And once they fall short and probably only kill 2/5 heavies, your 3 then ensure that they won’t kill another for the rest of the game.

Doom2’s biggest weakness is he has probably the worst defensive stats in the game. However, between earth’s blessing, Janyssa hill and whatever terrain you can park him in/behind, he’s a def 17-19 against shooting armor 17 steady target that can’t be pushed or slammed or made stationary. And nothing (unless it flies) should be able to get into melee versus him because you have FIVE HEAVIES IN THEIR FACE.

I get why Europe doesn’t like him, Hayley2 eats his lunch and he can’t deal with massed infantry (which seems to rule across the pond from what I hear). But anything from Combined Arms to full on Brick he can deal with reasonably, which opens up a lot of exciting narrow but effective options for his pair (grim1 being my favorite at the moment as he can kill/triage infantry like no one else in trolls). Tack on ADR to that where he can swap out 2 heavies for 3 slags when necessary and you’re cooking with gasoline. A single rage’d and stone strength’d slag with a free charge from doom2’s feat (or just wild aggression) will literally one round any battle engine that is a construct (boo hiss throne and siege anamantarax) before any bonus armor buffs. The amount of times I’ve spiked and one rounded a clamjack with a 10 point light with Doomy is more than I can count, and it’s trivial even when missing an attack or two to kill/cripple a normal khador heavy.

Honestly, I think people are actually UNDER-rating Doomshaper. He is a singular shining light in a faction that’s hampered by only one functional theme. His raw power in the right matchups is only let down by there being no real perfect pair to shore up his issues. Steady + high defense can be an issue to deal with efficiently. Massed infantry CAN be overtake surfed through, but there’s a limit to how much work you can actually do there. While he’s pretty resilient to shooting with help from Janyssa he can still go down under enough boosted shots, especially considering how low he tends to run between throwing out animi, fueling the stone and occasionally primal shocking to clear out annoying roadblocks. Even Grim, my second favorite son doesn’t do enough work in every matchup to elevate Trolls beyond middle of the pack (I can’t believe you guys put minions above Trolls, for SHAME).

Regardless, hopefully the release of Kriel Company (our gunline theme) and the entire Northkin Forces release will bring us more reliably to top table in late 2017 and beyond.

I’ve not played him in mk3 as in mk2 he was my most used caster. I felt I wanted to “get over” the loss of Refuge/Goad and changes to other key Troll support and unlearn him for a while.
I felt learning how to Refuge was key in my improvement with him and a big part of his kit so I knew I’d miss it.
Obviously he’s gained some new abilities which is nice.

As for his over/under rating it’s a tricky one, I think people are under rating him, then after seeing him over rating him. He’s done well (for Trolls) but he’s not exactly propped up the faction.

I used to pair him with Grim 1 but I don’t like the changes to him either, Doomie may be a caster that’d love D&C to go away!

In all fairness when I made the “propping up the faction” comment the meta was massively Khador and Circle, both factions that he has brutally powerful interactions against. Not sure if I’d go as far as to say the same thing today but he’s still relevant and potent and I think people need a very good reason to run someone other than him.

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Finally finished it all, I am with Trevor, DOWN WITH CYGNAR. I hate how they have always been top tier, if not the top. Sadly I don’t think Cygnar will ever really leave the top 5 though. I mean ignoring all the amazing stuff they have, they have access to the most mercs in addition (and we all see where PP is taking themes now) and are the poster boys.

At least from the outside looking in it really seems like PP goes out of their way for Cygnar as well. When you look at some of the releases they seem to get a lot of extra attention (example Haley 3) over other factions and that often results in a higher power level then other faction releases. They also seem to go out of the way to give Cygnar casters a lot of stuff to do personally, their casters are rarely just buff bots, often being well beyond that. Even their almost purely buff bot Stryker1 still has a decent melee weapon and disruptor pistol.

I also still haven’t got over the salt of Trenchers gaining a ton of rules and essentially becoming better Invictors in MK3.

I really regret purchasing Cygnar part. It’s volume is only about 30mins. and it starts with some rambling, discuss Jarle’s list briefly, ending with baseless rating. though useful in some point, but overall really NOT WORTH THE MONEY.

We are sorry you regret your purchase. I have refunded your money. We did make the format quite clear. The length is in the description, the topics of list, rankings, and discussion are all spelled out. We feel that its a very good value for $3.50.

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