why do people skill play on ggpo/fightcade etc? online edition has a vastly Superior netcode.

Oe has better netcode,but fightcade is free so i assume thats why.

Fightcade is easier and faster too. You can chat and play even while using video conferencing. Or jump to another game. Net bandwidth suffices. If it wasnt for those black stripes...

One way to decrease the amount of black lines is to restrain yourself from mashing buttons during the VS screen / inbetween rounds. Usually mashing while in the vs screen or between rounds causes your opponent (or the both of you) to have black lines...

"Finland?!?!? Is that even a real place?!?"
-John D. Rockufera
I see 3rd strike as moving form of meditation. When you're sparring or drilling techniques, you can't think of anything else.

Ggs to those of you I got to play! The new player base is a nice change from the 15-20 people I get to play all the time on 360.

Online sucks overall though.

I don't think your experience is an accurate one. For me, 3S on fightcade is pretty much perfect when playing against other people in the US. I honestly don't notice any delay or anything. The game feels similar to SG online for me. You can adjust the rollback frames in the fightcade options too.

You said that you experience input delay against the AI? That isn't normal. Judging from your system specs, I'm guessing it's more a problem with your computer being able to keep up. Aside from turning off all effects, and running something like game booster, I don't know what else you can do(assuming you're on a laptop that can't be upgraded).

FBA has innate input delay, Aero adds more delay, and unless you're on CRT your monitor adds delay. and of course playing on anything except rollback delay = 0 will make it worse. laggy pcb is a factor too. there's a stick lag thread in tech talk that can help you see how much input delay your stick is adding to the mix.

my monitor is relatively low lag and I play with Aero off, but the game still feels pretty bad on FBA/Fightcade. change the rollback delay to 1 or higher and I can no longer quick stand reliably.

no one's ever tested XP but if you're playing on Vista/7/8 (especially if you're playing on LCD) your feeling of "this feels really laggy" is probably warranted. there's a lot of things that can add delay in a computer setup and even in an ideal setup you're still playing on FBA.

people often bring up "maybe your computer isn't good enough" but I ran it on a 5 year old computer as well as a few months old computer with an i7 etc. no apparent difference between the two. I don't think system requirements have an effect for most people, it really is just a lot of individual sources of latency adding up.

disclaimer: not saying people who play on Fightcade are bad people or play the game wrong or whatever. don't yell at me you GGPO people.

hmmmm....maybe I'm just used to playing fighters on my PC. If my 360 wasn't dead, I'd try the game out on that. My PC is pretty good though, and I try to keep background apps to a minimum. The hardware definitely plays a role when you consider that usually more is running than just the game and the OS.

I would stick with delay 0 unless you're playing someone with a high ping. The whole point of GGPO is that you can play online without delay. It being adjustable is just a nice way to make high ping matches somewhat playable.

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KD Alpha"KD Alpha is the final boss of Laker hating."Joined: January 2010Posts: 1,356

I only say 360 > FightCade because the environment is a lot more controlled, and while it does have it's own issues, they're mostly minor in comparison to the major ones experienced on FightCade.

While everyone's experiences differ, I'm also including feedback I've received from other people I'd asked about FightCade previous to using it too. The general consensus among the 360 user base is FightCade is mostly worse with lag, though its better for having a larger number of skilled players to choose from.

Actually, that's not entirely accurate. I've heard "it's garbage" verbatim on quite a few occasions, and was of that opinion until recently. It's something you can adjust to, though by no means is it perfect. No such thing exists where online is concerned.

I'll give it this though; it's way better than PSN. PSN is mostly unplayable, and much like the GGPO player base, their player base claims otherwise.

So, seeing as how I've actually played using all 3 methods, I feel like I can form a bit more of a solid opinion.

I've been on arcade for about 10 years, console for about 7 or so, and playing online for like 2 to 3 years now and no one will listen unless you are willing to abuse the shit out of any of those platforms. Take it from me, just keep it to yourself, scrubs gonna scrub and srk was never a good place for 3rd strike anyway. That forum was called pacific south matchmaking.

So, seeing as how I've actually played using all 3 methods, I feel like I can form a bit more of a solid opinion.

Here's the thing though. I just went into SG and fightcade 3S, put both windows side by side, and tested to see if 3S had more input delay than SG. I can see no difference between the 2. I haven't tested it online though, so this is regarding the input lag you experience against the AI. To me though, the online feels no different with 0 delay set.

So unless the PC version of SG suffers from more input lag than the console versions(which isn't something I've ever heard about), then I'm gonna say that there is no difference with regard to input lag on either platform. Maybe someone else will chime in with more than anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but I'm of the opinion that my PC plays fighters with just as little input delay as a console. I'm also not some PC elitist, this is my first gaming PC. Up until 2 years ago, I'd mostly only played games on consoles(with the exception of UT and DOOM).

I thought the issue with 3S on GGPO/FightCade was that, unlike the other games, there was no access to the source meaning that it has to do savestates and rollbacks, the hard way.

So there are games on fightcade that actually use the source code for rollback? I was under the impression that they all used the same method for networking, and the source code was only a factor for fba emulation.

thanks kd alpha for not even acknowledging the advice i tried to give you
at this point,it is the only reasonable (and verified) "solution" for impossibly bad online
some people keep suggesting that you should "change blitter" and "wear a pair of comfortable slippers" and stuff like that
it's all useless,why do they keep repeating those things ? i have no idea but it's annoying

and why all of a sudden this thread turned into oe vs fightcade vs dreamcast ?
fightcade and ggpo are computer emulators so there are *dozens* of variables (just using a crt monitor makes all the difference in the world)
definitely a case by case kind of thing

Have the 0ms 144hz panels not arrived in the fighting game scene yet or do they have some sort of a delay aswell?

is 0ms the delay or pixel response time? there's no 0ms delay monitors listed in the low latency monitor thread in tech talk. I assume if lagless LCDs existed someone in that thread would know/talk about it.

anyway what I'm getting at is that everything plays a role, it's not just one thing. you can control for some of them, like
turn Aero off
get a stick with a low latency PCB
play on GGPO delay 0
play on a CRT

and also I know some people change the sampling rate of their USB drives, not sure if this helps or not.

if you do those things you should only be dealing with the innate delay of FBA, which if I remember right from isotopez' tests is ~1f. the more of those things that are not ideal, the more likely you are to notice. add several of them together and you get the feeling of "it's garbage" that KD Alpha mentioned earlier.

Have the 0ms 144hz panels not arrived in the fighting game scene yet or do they have some sort of a delay aswell?

is 0ms the delay or pixel response time? there's no 0ms delay monitors listed in the low latency monitor thread in tech talk. I assume if lagless LCDs existed someone in that thread would know/talk about it.

I was just wondering because the 144hz "0ms" panels are considered the gold standard in pc fps gaming for example. Don't see much talk about these in the thread anyways maybe because the talk is highly skewed towards larger displays than regular pc monitors anyway. The only testing I've personally done is set a CRT next to one of these 144hz monitors and try shit out in training mode. Didn't see the difference, didn't feel the difference but then again that's just me.

"Finland?!?!? Is that even a real place?!?"
-John D. Rockufera
I see 3rd strike as moving form of meditation. When you're sparring or drilling techniques, you can't think of anything else.

Wasn't talking of any specific monitor per say since there's plenty of "0ms" 144hz panels out there these days. The monitor I have (which I compared to my trusty Samsung 1100p CRT) is a cheaper 144hz panel from AOC (the G2460F model). Asus panels are supposedly one of the better ones when it comes to 144hz tho..I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to say which panel is the best per say but as far as comparing my old regular TFT monitor (An older BenQ 17" with an advertised response time of 8ms) to this new panel to the CRT I would have to say that the difference between the CRT and the older BenQ monitor is very noticeable while the difference between the CRT and the new 144hz panel isn't (to me atleast). I won't argue that there is NO difference but as far as being able to tell that difference with the naked eye/by feel? Don't think so. Keep in mind that this is just me testing shit out in training mode with these three monitors so I've no statistical evidence of any sort to support my claims.

"Finland?!?!? Is that even a real place?!?"
-John D. Rockufera
I see 3rd strike as moving form of meditation. When you're sparring or drilling techniques, you can't think of anything else.

I don't even really know what monitor EVO uses but I remember hearing that the ones they used werent that hot. Based on what Ryan said I would love to see a blind test of some sort. Now Im not saying what ryan said isnt true but it would be cool to see a definite test with these new gen monitors in which they would be compared to a CRT.

"Finland?!?!? Is that even a real place?!?"
-John D. Rockufera
I see 3rd strike as moving form of meditation. When you're sparring or drilling techniques, you can't think of anything else.

I don't own an Evo monitor myself, but even scrolling through the options you can feel the lag. I'd be interested to try these truley "lag free" monitors, but is there really a point to buy one? Crt monitors and tv's are practically free.

Not to mention the game looks better with pixels and scan lines. Hd 3rd looks like shit imo.

I don't own an Evo monitor myself, but even scrolling through the options you can feel the lag. I'd be interested to try these truley "lag free" monitors, but is there really a point to buy one? Crt monitors and tv's are practically free.

Not to mention the game looks better with pixels and scan lines. Hd 3rd looks like shit imo.

I dont think anybodys buying these monitors just to play 3s, people do other things on their monitors aswell. Also agree with the last part, lo-def 3s > hd 3s

"Finland?!?!? Is that even a real place?!?"
-John D. Rockufera
I see 3rd strike as moving form of meditation. When you're sparring or drilling techniques, you can't think of anything else.

And don't some CRTs have input lag as well? I looked into getting one a while ago and found out that not all CRTs are created equal. People always say that they are practically free, but where the hell do I get them so cheap? On CL they seem to cost more than I'm willing to spend.

Any CRT on craigslist is practically free. If someone wants to sell it for more than $20 just tell them they will never get a buyer for that piece of shit, and youll pick it up for $5 doing them a favor.

I dont know where you live but the "free section" of CL always has at least 5-10 tv`s in my area.

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KD Alpha"KD Alpha is the final boss of Laker hating."Joined: January 2010Posts: 1,356

Changed from CRT to LCD, which I hadn't seen was an option before, and changed to Experimental from the default. Turned off Autoframe Skip which was turned on for some reason after having turned it off before, and that seemed to cut down on a lot of the teleporting and instant jumps.

Still have trouble with okizeme timing and late teching throws, so I'm gonna continue fiddling with shit in hopes that I can get it as optimal as possible, but the difference before I did that and after was night and day.

Changed from CRT to LCD, which I hadn't seen was an option before, and changed to Experimental from the default. Turned off Autoframe Skip which was turned on for some reason after having turned it off before, and that seemed to cut down on a lot of the teleporting and instant jumps.

Still have trouble with okizeme timing and late teching throws, so I'm gonna continue fiddling with shit in hopes that I can get it as optimal as possible, but the difference before I did that and after was night and day.

You said before that you followed the guide for reducing lag. Those things are in the guide.

Any CRT on craigslist is practically free. If someone wants to sell it for more than $20 just tell them they will never get a buyer for that piece of shit, and youll pick it up for $5 doing them a favor.

I dont know where you live but the "free section" of CL always has at least 5-10 tv`s in my area.

Are you talking about HD CRT TVs? I see loads of regular CRT TVs for free, but I'm not going to hook my PC up to one. For monitors I see a bunch of 15" crts, the kind that you get with a cheap emachine. I'll keep an eye out and see if anything good pops up for cheap or free.

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Halberdiusmm my hugo juggles.. watch him make people soar.Joined: May 2013Posts: 228

shout outs to JDL, Kenuran, Kyokuji ... thx for the 10-0s. I love getting my ass handed to me in this game, albeit in less than optimal circumstances.
That being said I made some tweeks to my PC and the in game emulator so its not as laggy. So games should be better from this point forward.

"fuck that "he made money so you can't hate" bullshit. So tired of dumbfucks apologizing for shit because it makes money. You know what else made a whole bunch of money? Slavery."
-Warpticon

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KD Alpha"KD Alpha is the final boss of Laker hating."Joined: January 2010Posts: 1,356

I hadn't seen the option to switch CRT to LCD though, Kwyjibo, guess I skimmed over it. And I had autoframe skip off before, but for some reason when I checked back again it was on again. I think I might have reset my settings to default at one point because I had to reconfig my inputs too.

I can't wrap my head around FightCade or properly explain what I did/was happening. I just know it works better now and I'm happy about that.

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Halberdiusmm my hugo juggles.. watch him make people soar.Joined: May 2013Posts: 228

If youre lagging on fight cade go to select blitter turn the blitter to basic under softFX and the blitter options to no effects go to misc turn the priority to high. Turn off auto frame skips. Reduce window size. Run the game in compatibility with windows xp service pack 3. Run as admin. Do the same for ggpofba.exe file Should do it. If its still lagging you need a faster pc. Anything below 130ms should be fine.

If its not saving go to misc go down to the 3rd to bottom bracket and click save settings to .ini now

Be warned the community is shitty and if you use sean or low tier characters people will talk shit for days. So like xbla with less competitive skill

That's just what happens when everyone can sit in a lobby and chat. I find it to be pretty entertaining myself.

Well they just call each other scrubs all day.. Or argue. But to each his own. You find it entertaining so maybe others will too. Its still good. Just a persons taste. Fight cade brings 3s to pc so its good.

If youre lagging on fight cade go to select blitter turn the blitter to basic under softFX and the blitter options to no effects go to misc turn the priority to high. Turn off auto frame skips. Reduce window size. Run the game in compatibility with windows xp service pack 3. Run as admin. Do the same for ggpofba.exe file Should do it. If its still lagging you need a faster pc. Anything below 130ms should be fine.

If its not saving go to misc go down to the 3rd to bottom bracket and click save settings to .ini now

Be warned the community is shitty and if you use sean or low tier characters people will talk shit for days. So like xbla with less competitive skill

People argue a lot and it's just bad. Some people are ok. Like 1%

thanks for the info. I've been looking for some information like this to optimize my experience on fightcade

That's just what happens when everyone can sit in a lobby and chat. I find it to be pretty entertaining myself.

Well they just call each other scrubs all day.. Or argue. But to each his own. You find it entertaining so maybe others will too. Its still good. Just a persons taste. Fight cade brings 3s to pc so its good.

yeah where do these people come from? how do they find out about fightcade? it's probably just the same GGPO crowd of trolls that just migrated. This one dude Ms.Peeches just randomly types "N i g g e r" constantly. I swear I'd love to run into some of these people in real life.

"fuck that "he made money so you can't hate" bullshit. So tired of dumbfucks apologizing for shit because it makes money. You know what else made a whole bunch of money? Slavery."
-Warpticon

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Halberdiusmm my hugo juggles.. watch him make people soar.Joined: May 2013Posts: 228

If youre lagging on fight cade go to select blitter turn the blitter to basic under softFX and the blitter options to no effects go to misc turn the priority to high. Turn off auto frame skips. Reduce window size. Run the game in compatibility with windows xp service pack 3. Run as admin. Do the same for ggpofba.exe file Should do it. If its still lagging you need a faster pc. Anything below 130ms should be fine.

If its not saving go to misc go down to the 3rd to bottom bracket and click save settings to .ini now

Be warned the community is shitty and if you use sean or low tier characters people will talk shit for days. So like xbla with less competitive skill

People argue a lot and it's just bad. Some people are ok. Like 1%

thanks for the info. I've been looking for some information like this to optimize my experience on fightcade

That's just what happens when everyone can sit in a lobby and chat. I find it to be pretty entertaining myself.

Well they just call each other scrubs all day.. Or argue. But to each his own. You find it entertaining so maybe others will too. Its still good. Just a persons taste. Fight cade brings 3s to pc so its good.

yeah where do these people come from? how do they find out about fightcade? it's probably just the same GGPO crowd of trolls that just migrated. This one dude Ms.Peeches just randomly types "N i g g e r" constantly. I swear I'd love to run into some of these people in real life.

Lmao you got a point. I saw that too about peaches so i extra laughed at your response. True. All the garbage is flooding this precious city of fight cade. You have a point good sir. Im just gonna play and kick those trolls asses. Not say a word.