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Taboo Talk

It is interesting to me what a to-do people are making about some of the things Trump has said, while at the same time the book 50 Shades of Grey outsold Harry Potter (!) without any marketing or advertising beyond whispered word of mouth. And it was filled with lots and lots of taboo talk!

Some of the latest dialog being quoted was said about a contestant on his reality show, a former Playboy centerfold and Playmate of the Year.

While people are up in arms, I find it interesting that the woman he said these things about and to was not in the least offended by them. And she thinks highly of the man. She seems to “get it” that of course he felt that way (duh!), and she took his saying so not as an insult but as a compliment and as lighthearted teasing said jokingly. They both seemed to get it was just talk.

When I was younger, I would get very uncomfortable about men saying things about my body or my sexuality unsolicited. I get that such language, if not said jokingly, can be scary. Such things said in a different tone would in fact be crossing a line.

But I think we have gone too far, where even innocuous admiration of the female form has become weaponized. Men like looking at pretty women. It’s that simple. Even married men like looking at pretty women.

Something I learned in the manosphere is that men are looking at women all the time, way more than we realize. One man described how it’s almost automatic for him to size up every female he comes across (“She’s a 2, there’s a 7, that one is a 6, etc.”) It’s just something his mind automatically did, and other men admitted theirs did too, and that it wasn’t pervy or leering. It’s the way the male mind works. Visual. Very visual.

And maybe we should all just get over it.

For example, awhile ago my vacuum cleaner hose got a toy lodged in it. So knowing the guy who owns the local country store is handy, and needing the vacuum fixed asap, I headed over to see if he could help me out. He’s likely nearly 60, married, super nice guy, blue collar, former truck driver.

He was sitting there with my neighbor, an elderly bachelor farmer in his late 70s, and they were shooting the breeze. They were happy to help me with my dilemma and soon got the toy dislodged.

I thanked them and turned to walk back home. I heard the farmer comment about being happy to help, “in exchange for the nice view.” And yes, he meant my backside. The store owner laughed good-heartedly, in a “I was thinking it, but he actually said it out loud” kind of way.

My reaction? I added a little extra shimmy to my walk, and carried on my way, with a smile on my face, knowing they meant it as a compliment, and feeling kinda good that they noticed.

It wasn’t awkward. It wasn’t sleazy. It wasn’t uncomfortable. It was life.

Now I know this pales in comparison to what Trump said to and about the contestant, but I have had men say similar things as what he said to me, too. And they said it lighthearted and joking, and I knew and they knew it was just talk. And the few times it wasn’t, I made it known I wouldn’t have it. End of.

Much ado about nothing, I say. I’d much rather see fair, balanced investigative journalistic news stories comparing the candidates views on the issues that really matter to the American people, rather than see “reporters”wasting ink on such tabloid fodder.

Concerning Trump, it’s all desperately grabbing at anything to make him look bad.

What you do not point out, and what may not be relevant to you, is the Western way men admire female form and the Islamic way.

If a white Western man greets me for casual small talk, I look him in the eye, smile, and act polite.

If an Arab guy does it, I avoid eye contact and quickly walk away.

Not out of racism, but experience and some study of different cultures taught me a lesson. Our Western ancestors have respected a womans right to say “no” for a long time. There aren’t that many sources for my heritage (Saxon), but we were basically the lesser-groomed Vikings. The Havamal contains parts about male/female interaction that reflect this. Men pursue women and women might or might not let them. It was dangerous to court women – their families would come after any man who touched her against her will.
In Islamic cultures, not so much. Families go after the woman who has been touched. And immigrants here take some of their attitudes assumptions with them. If you are friendly or polite with a muslim man, they interpret that as you being open for much, much more and act accordingly, not believing or respecting your “no”. The same as a Western man would be disinclined to respect a “no” while you are undressing him. And Islamic men, more than Western men, value chastity in women. So reacting nornally with a smile and a pleasant word in their eyes equals you wanting sex which in turn equals you being a trainwreck which means they can treat you accordingly.

A harmless compliment from a Western man is an insult and a threat when spoken by a muslim man.

Media like to hate on old white western men, but nobody treats women better.

Happy housewife, thanks for adding that. It is true I am speaking form a Western culture perspective. Correct it is not universally observed that such exchanges do not mean something else entirely. Good to keep in mind!

Yes this ^^^^^. There is nothing to be ashamed about being racist. In fact, racism is a made up word to shame white people so non-whites can happily walk the fuck all over us. People who go out of their way to say they aren’t racist are disingenuous at least and cowardly at most. People of color who go out of their way to play the race card are also outright lying manipulative worms. Fuck them and their false moral posturing. The modern world is a white mans world and they just live in it. Okay, I’m done.

“Being a racist” can be very widely defined in a similar way to “being a sexist” can be widely defined. To some people, any mention of difference is racism, as any mention or acknowledgement of sex is sexism. And then there is the other end of the spectrum. Another taboo thing to talk about…perhaps I will write another post on observing racism outside America and what I learned about humans from that experience…big topic, another time…

Why not out of racism?
Because in our weather, muslim men can look quite pale, similar to the Greek and Italian (who are EXTREMELY FLIRTY but will stop when you ask them to), and apart from the accent, you wouldn’t know (they don’t all have the hook nose). I used to consider them just mediterrean men based on racial features alone, but they are so very different.

So, because I have no problems with Southern Euro people, it’s not out of racism.

I do agree that reality is racist and sexist, and seeing the differences is just realism. I don’t identify as a racist, just as territorial.

And yes, ankles used to be taboo, lol. An art historian friend once told me that the little fabric covers for the legs of chairs were a way of not bringing up association with perverted images like *gasp* legs.

It is situational, because some women wouldn’t want any guy who is not their husband or boyfriend flirting with them or making comments about their figure. However, if a guy does it anyway and it would be considered by most to be “harmless,” there’s no need to draw and quarter him. Just make sure the guy quickly learns that this particular woman doesn’t appreciate it, so he shouldn’t do it again.

I see a lot of relatively harmless and normal behavior classified as sexist and even “dangerous” by some women. They need to use more common sense.

On the other hand, not all women want to be cat-called by strangers as they walk down the street (to give an example), and no amount of cajoling them and insisting that it’s supposed to be “flattering” is going to make them like it. (It can depend on the amount and quality of cat-calling.)

There needs to be a balance. Don’t tar and feather a guy for something that he didn’t mean as offensive and won’t repeat once he knows it’s not being received well. But, at the same time, every woman has a comfort level, and it can vary from woman to woman, depending on her background, how sheltered she is, and so on. To ignore that will get a guy quickly branded as insensitive and rude.

Fnu mnu lnu, the chair legs used to be taboo in Western culture right here in Europe!
The sexual emergency excuse is from hadith, where all the creepiest stuff from Islam comes from. Perfectly legit in the eyes of the hordes that are enriching our lands.

I don’t like Donald and I haven’t since I did pageants several years ago. I knew of some of his other grimey behavior from women who knew him personally and well. But I’ll leave that up to them to talk about (or not). I don’t like Hillary either and I am not voting for her for the record.

However, in a way I do think people are making a big fuss over things he says. No, he doesn’t talk about women the way I believe a good man would, but what he says doesn’t really *mean* anything. Until he become President IF he does, he’s just one turd in the toilet bowl to me. Just one guy with an opinion, that’s it.

I am not sure that I want to respond to Ashley after revealing how weak I get for a cute girl wearing little round ears. The stuff that could come out of my mouth could make her forget all about Donald Trump.

Nice post, bloom. But depressing … very depressing. Why ? Cause you are obviously intelligent and very observing of what’s going on. And discovered the RP and took your lumps and accepted the truth. And it took you until you were married, had kids, divorced, dated … discovered, uncovered, etc. And until you were in your 40’s. To discover that men will be men. And that’s a good thing.

All men look at women and judge sexual attractiveness … its who we are … its WHAT we are. Doesn’t make us bad. Doesn’t make us a rapist. Doesn’t make us a hater. Doesn’t make us evil or wrong or bad. It makes us HUMAN … it means we are NORMAL and being who we are.

Men are not evil, they like women and want to have sex with them. Its kinda cool actually. Women used to understand this at a very early age … back when women got married at age 16 and they likely figured it out before then … thanks to their mothers. Kinda sad and depressing to think it takes someone like you …. to throw off all the Feminist brainwashing bs … and realize the the truth … and even you don’t, until your mid 40s. It took you 20+ years for you to realize what women used to know by age 16. Yeah. Sad state of affairs. Depressing, actually.