"Saudi Arabia's Saudia Airlines and Royal Jordanian airlines are among the affected countries; the full list has not been revealed to the affected airlines themselves."

Don't worry, people. In a few years, once the details are hammered out bribes hit the bank accounts, Trump air will gladly fly you from the affected countries to the US with a special prescreening already in place, at on 3 times the cost.

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...

ThatBillmanGuy:Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.

ThatBillmanGuy:Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...

Why? They freely admitted there are more majority-Muslim countries than in the travel bans, so... kudos to them for finally learning their names.

Because sometimes you have to get somewhere, and don't have time to sail. The question I've been asking is: How are restrictions on flying domestically (that is, not the point of this article, but when are we ever focused on that?) not a violation of the right of peaceable assembly, dammit?

Last I checked, even if the time it takes to go a longer distance than a day's drive was acceptable, neither Amtrak, Greyhound, nor my car could take me to a peaceable assembly in Hawaii.

If I wasn't allowed to bring my Kindle I would have been a very unhappy camper since at that point I'd already been traveling more than 36 hours without any actual sleep. Plus I wouldn't trust my camera, even in a camera bag, in my checked luggage. Good lenses are really expensive.

DammitIForgotMyLogin:"Bomb threats" aside, i'm sure it has nothing at all to do with giving border agents the opportunity to covertly check said electronic devices.

Nope. I'm not paranoid at all.

This was exactly my first thought. If you see the CBP agents open your bags you know your data has been vacuumed up. If they vacuum all your checked devices, well plausible deniability. Note that it only applies to foreign flag carriers -- wouldn't want US carriers getting sued for all the high dollar devices that go missing.

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

*assuming oxygen generating devices are not on fire as Valujet crash.

This is absolutely incorrect. The plane is a pressurized tube. The floor is a thin insert within the tube, not a pressure bulkhead. Some cargo areas aren't as well climate controled, which is why pets can't go in some jets on very hot or cold weather days, but they're all pressurized.

ThatBillmanGuy:Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.

Visiting another continent by ship would be incredibly time consuming. My work is fairly generous with vacation time by US standards, but nowhere near THAT generous.

If the ban doesn't affect American carriers, then this seems to be more about certain foreign airlines than the people in those countries. It raises the questions of: 1) which of their carriers pose risks, and 2) what the fark those risks could be.

midigod:TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.

Not only that there are plenty of simple things that can go off with no oxygen, which I know because I have been helping someone design a rocket (don't ask)

interstellar_tedium:midigod: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.

Not only that there are plenty of simple things that can go off with no oxygen, which I know because I have been helping someone design a rocket (don't ask)

Sum Dum Gai:Visiting another continent by ship would be incredibly time consuming. My work is fairly generous with vacation time by US standards, but nowhere near THAT generous.

You just made me realize that mine is that generous. Heh. I work for a record label, with no real restrictions on vacation, sick time, etc... which I'm using to drive to Vegas and back instead of flying later this year.

But yeah, I get the obvious reasons why people would still need to fly. Hyperbole aside, I would still probably sail myself to the continent than deal with an airline.

Not just tourism. Business travel. If I were a professional photographer, I wouldn't trust my camera bodies to checked baggage. Heck, I'm an amateur and wouldn't trust them down there either.On the other hand, with the wide latitude CPB gets in searches at the border, I probably wouldn't bring a laptop with any valuable business info through Customs anyway.

siennaskye:i like how this was a secret order.. that the public - probably american, wasnt supposed to know about it... which we woulda anyways after the 96 hours was up...

also how it only affects non american airlines to and from those countries. i dont even know what to say here....

Assuming these electronics don't get pilfered along the way, I really don't see them surviving. I've seen what happens to laptops when a soft sided laptop bag goes through checked baggage. That plane lucked out that the cells didn't rupture. The laptop had a 20 degree bend down the middle from back to front. It shattered the mobo, display, keyboard and split the magnesium base assembly. Please note this was one of exploding battery Dells before the battery got replaced. So they could have ended up with a combination lithium and magnesium fire in the hold of the plane.

cyberspacedout:interstellar_tedium: midigod: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.

Not only that there are plenty of simple things that can go off with no oxygen, which I know because I have been helping someone design a rocket (don't ask)

Considering your screen name, I'm sure the answer would be boring.

Yeah it would. If I was ever in a car accident or something similar I would look at my life flashing before my eyes and go "man work was really boring, fortunately my family was not"

cyberspacedout:interstellar_tedium: midigod: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.

Yes, they are both pressurized and temp controlled, because of some of the "live" cargo they carry (pets, live animals for restaurant menus). Also, some of the larger wide-body aircraft have galley facilities in the cargo hold area that flight attendants have to access during flight.

Not only that there are plenty of simple things that can go off with no oxygen, which I know because I have been helping someone design a rocket (don't ask)

If I wasn't allowed to bring my Kindle I would have been a very unhappy camper since at that point I'd already been traveling more than 36 hours without any actual sleep. Plus I wouldn't trust my camera, even in a camera bag, in my checked luggage. Good lenses are really expensive.

And good lenses are not prohibited, not even by this inane order. You can carry them on board and just bag checkthe camera. Then, the TSA slime farks and filthy fingered baggage handlers will only be able to steal your camera, you'll still have your lenses.

drjekel_mrhyde:Vegas and Disney won't take this stupid shiat on the chin for too long.

Anectotally, I'm seeing the effects. Went on a Disney (California) vacation this past Feb. with the fam. Two years ago, the hotel we stayed at was absolutely packed with huge families visiting from the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. This time, the hotel was at, max, 50% capacity and the room rate was $40/night lower than it had been just in December, when I first booked.

The travel bans along with trickling stories of massive harassment at the border by enabled a-hole CBP agents is having a very noticeable effect on areas previously visited by folks from the ME and Africa. There was supposed to be an African trade summit in socal this week but none of the ~100 African delegates could get an entry visa. None of them; mull that over. The effect has been dramatic and is likely to get worse.

pendy575:And how will they enforce this exactly on foreign carriers flying from outside the US?

Often, when I travel overseas, there are TSA agents at the jetway, so I go through a check at the security line and then another at the gate as I am boarding the plane. Those checks are typically random with about 1 in 3 or 4 being checked; I am sure that they can change procedure to check everyone.