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I'm gonna preface this with saying that I haven't played with the HMS Vanguard, nor even faced one on the opposing team...but, from a pure stats perspective (and LWM's small review) I have to say that I was really hoping for more. Right now it seems like a very "meh" sort of ship, and I was hoping for something wonderful. I know, I know, that's on me for getting hopes up and all that...still, I just wanted a good solid high tier British premium.

Anyone else feel the same way? Maybe there is an actual Vanguard owner or two who can comment with their own experiences?

I'm gonna preface this with saying that I haven't played with the HMS Vanguard, nor even faced one on the opposing team...but, from a pure stats perspective (and LWM's small review) I have to say that I was really hoping for more. Right now it seems like a very "meh" sort of ship, and I was hoping for something wonderful. I know, I know, that's on me for getting hopes up and all that...still, I just wanted a good solid high tier British premium.

Anyone else feel the same way? Maybe there is an actual Vanguard owner or two who can comment with their own experiences?

Hi leerm002,

Give it time to be digested. Here is a link to Flamu's review of the Vanguard in its form 3 days ago.

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That's great. Hope you will enjoy for a long time. I will be getting mine this evening when I get back home. A few of the CC's should/will do follow ups later in the the week, this should give you some ideas about its play style.

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I agree that matchmaking is a problem regardless of the ship, and I really would like some kind of improvements on it...

But as for the ship itself: I have to say that so far I am finding it one of the flat out most *interesting* ships I have played. I will say again that it is NOT easy to use, but it does represent a really unique spin on the normal mechanics and even, as far as I know, even represents a fair bit of the direction that BB's went historically (phasing out layers of armor, adding strong AA, making them faster, more nimble, even smaller guns).

She'll look great when they finish her. Three triple sixteen inch gun turrets, heavy secondary's and AA. I do hope they go with the plain uncapped funnel's. Maybe they should consider an "Atlantic Bow" though.

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It may be right if WG had even given hints of altering the Matchmaking.

However, they haven't.

The current matchmaking was designed and created back when there were too few T10's. Now? Yeah, too many and too much focus on T10.

Which is fine if you play T10 a lot. They have the 'special modules' and so on, but.....I get frustrated .

I prefer T7/8, except T8 is mostly one of the few T8's and mostly T10.

Which wont be changed.

Which is a pity, as having a 2 levels to a match makes more sense to me, now the player base has increased. A flat, 2 tiers of ships. No more T6 getting slaughtered by T8, or T7 by a T9 but more importantly, no more T8 being murdered by T10.

Not so much for the DD's. They stealth Ninja style of play, surprise torps, smoke and gun and so on, uptiers well.

Everything else? Not so much.

The Battle Cruiser style of play is a huge amount of fun. I love my Scharnhorst for a reason. However, Vanguard, while likely even more fun and requiring more skill, suffers from such horrible MM that I can see no point in buying it.

Considering that she is a T8, she will (almost) always play T10 games.

I will certainly not buy any T5 or T8 premiums until the current MM changes.

Yes, true.

But again, as long as T8 is always bottom tier, I'm not gonna buy a T8 premium. Just no fun.

I don't know about you, but when I play t8, I really enjoy my Tirpitz or Bismarck, even if they get bumped to t10... (Cause Tirpitz sneaky with concealment & torpedoes, hard hitting guns & secondaries, & Bismarck with secondaries & German hydro & hard hitting guns... & both have turtleback armour....

NC - hardly touch the useless inaccurate barge

A Hipper = kite like mad

Richelieu = good but I keep forgetting NOT to turn broadside

No other T8 I can think of that I have... I love lower tiers anyway...

Mainly play higher tiers for clan assistance etc because why not?

Of course, you are welcome to disagree with me.... & certain members will anyway..... It is a forum after all, where EVERYONE can voice their opinion... & are under no obligation to agree with...

Ordrazz

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Main problem with MM I think is people always want to get in a battle and sink everyone, citadel every salvo, set 3 fires etc etc. But the thing is you need to adapt to your roles accordingly. Like when to play aggressively and when to play passively. Yes, continuously being bottom tiered is sometimes a frustrating experience, and you are at certain disadvantage on your own, but not as a team. Since enemy team also has similar ships. Consider when you play carry and you play support on other games like Dota2.

As long as WG does not officially change MM spread, the best advise is to really try to adapt to the playstyle to get less frustrated. Thats the best you can do. Another point, continuous grinding is frustrating regardless of tier or MM placement. You will get bored eventually for playing some ships for 100s of games. That's why always keep a few other ships so that you can get some relaxed and less tensed games.

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I don't know about you, but when I play t8, I really enjoy my Tirpitz or Bismarck, even if they get bumped to t10.

Well, I think that especially BB’s don’t up-tier very well. They are often out-gunned, out-ranged and out-run. Bismarck/Tirpitz are hardly ever citadelled by equal and lower tier, but higher tier BB’s can and do citadel them.

My point is not that you cannot have an enjoyable game when bottom tier. It happens often enough that bottom tier ships are in a top spot of XP earners.

My point is that T8 is almost always bottom tier and that’s just not right.

Despite of what people claim, they get about 25% top tier games which is logical given the MM spread of those tiers and tiers around them. So when someone come up and say I got 10 bottom tier games in a row, as long as he is not showing screenshots of 10 consecutive matches, there is no reason to believe him at all.

6 hours ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

Maybe WG change things if they notice that they sell fewer T5 or T8 premiums?

Realistically speaking, I am sure T8 premiums are best sellers in this game.Just Tirpitz and Atogo combined probably will cover half of all the other premium ship sales. The reason why WG is not doing so is because their overall data does not reflect what people claim. It is entirely possible that you play late night or super early morning and get a 95% bottom tier match, but overall server data may still show that those tiers get 25% to 30% top tier games which is what they should get.

Obviously +1/-1 would be great and previously they also said not enough players to change MM spread, do we have enough playerbase size now to get this? One would assume that WG was able to grow its playerbase, it will be a shame if it is found out that it is shrinking.

Obviously﻿﻿﻿﻿+1/-1 would be great and previously they also said not enough players to change MM spread, do we have enough playerbase size now﻿ to﻿ get this? One would assume that WG was able to grow its playerbase, it will be a shame if it is found out that it is shrinking.﻿﻿﻿

icy, If I could give you 10 Thumbs Up for this I would.

WoT Blitz introduced +1/-1 almost 2 years ago. There was all kinds of posts deriding this move. The usual type --- Game waiting time will be to long, Not enough variety ---- The world will end. The sky will fall. etc. etc. Guess what none of that happened. In fact after a short time the player base grew. Complaints about being bottom tiered dropped and by the look when I visit occasionally, all seems to be still going well in that area.

The other MM complaints such as poor team mates and skill level etc .... well, seem's they will always be there.

WoT Blitz introduced +1/-1 almost 2 years ago. There was all kinds of posts deriding this move. The usual type --- Game waiting time will be to long, Not enough variety ---- The world will end. The sky will fall. etc. etc. Guess what none of that happened. In fact after a short time the player base grew. Complaints about being bottom tiered dropped and by the look when I visit occasionally, all seems to be still going well in that area.

There will always be opposing force to any kind of change. Otherwise it would show that the current system have been a complete failure. MM has all kinds of issues. A lot of them are well worse than being bottom tier. For example, the notorious CV anchoring division placements, DDs arent tier mirrored at all, imbalance of placing ships capable of radar or aa clumped up in one team, mixing up botters with human players... so on and so forth.

The excuse was always "mm will take too long". May be they could do it experimentally for a month and see what happened? But eh I guess we are expecting too much. Gotta add more and more premium ships, eh? Cause that's all playerbase want...