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Old and tired argument. It's not all that defines you but as far as so many fundamental rights go, it's ALL that law and society sees in you, and arguing that there's more to you won't change that one bit.

I am still not clear - was the topic directed at me, or at JB18? I can't see the OP..

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Jews for Hitler

It always makes me snicker when people trot out the "I'm more than just gay." Why must one be "more than that." What exactly is "more than that." Why do some people hold this up as some kind of ideal?

...BUT BUT BUT I like small bunnies and unicorns and they aren't gay shit, and that's all...

OK but you (general you) are STILL a fag who likes unicorns and bunnies!

I mean, what precisely is this supposed to say? Do they keep their gay in a little box under the bed and fondle it happily in the dark of night?

Being straight does not "describe you as a person." Yet they never ever say that. Because it damn well does describe you as a person and sexuality is a fundamentally HUGE human drive, that affects and colors just about everything we do.

OK so I lied, I know exactly why guys say that but if I tell you, I'll get one of these:

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So you'll just have to guess.

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Originally Posted by chance1

you've been away too long ......... clearly

Yeah, I prefer to remember his hotness. You's such a bitch to take that from me.

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Old and tired argument. It's not all that defines you but as far as so many fundamental rights go, it's ALL that law and society sees in you, and arguing that there's more to you won't change that one bit.

I am still not clear - was the topic directed at me, or at JB18? I can't see the OP..

no this is a nonsense thread that was created to bait people to this thread and out of another one.

It was destined to be a purse fight. That's what it was built to intentionally become.

It was about the OP and no one else.

We're gonna sit down and have ourselves a drink! And after we're done - after *I'm* done, you can run upstairs and take whichever one of them little pills makes you feel the best~Dolores Claiborne

Re: Jews for Hitler

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

clarity is a good thing no ?

and as usual u position yourself inauthentically above the fray when you're thick in it

stirring

as for centex, i have no idea what his lengthy posts mean 3/4 of the time

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

Stirring up trouble seems to be a fun thing for you.

You sent several PM's to me saying I'm not a serious person -- you evidently like drama -- promoting a stereotype of gays that continues to haunt gays.

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Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

u don't need to disavow anything JB

was hoping you/some would - and some have - i consider that a good thing

others who haven't and are on record NOT - that's a good thing too

provides .......... clarity

as for centex, he posts war and peace posts that i can't get thru and if i do, i have no idea what he's saying

outrage all day? try being on the non obama voting team

that's outrage all day ...... every day

but ok ok

i thought i had explained my POV re: your "consequences" post a while back and figured that was it

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

Re: Jews for Hitler

the economy is the single most important issue ...... the one that can elevate (or not) the lives of ALL:

whites
blacks
latinos
women
gays
etc.

ALL OF US

while it is "just one factor" it is the one factor that trumps all

romney was elected governor of the most liberal state in the U.S.

as a republican

how do you explain that?

i explain it as he is a moderate - that he would govern as a moderate

that my rights would not be lessened

that's what I think

as for assuming you and ok for jews for hitler - i assumed nothing - it seemed like with u anything goes - because someone called u a child killer, then somehow someone calling me a hitler voting jew was ok

bottom line and i will leave u with this

the reference "like jews for hitler" is hateful and should not be tolerated

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Which is funny for you to say because that's EXACTLY why some Jews voted for Hitler....

i included my whole post vs. your cut/paste bullshit luv

and your "attempt" at gotcha is sad

but it's YOU baby so embrace it

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^I like to think that I write some pretty good War and Peace posts myself. Guess they don't count.

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dropped his turd. Buddy you need to stop. We were here when it went down, and this is just a bitter splinter of something else. Now just because I said in one thread that you had a place here, doesn't mean I intend on pretending to step in line with your beliefs or be accused of wounding you.

We're gonna sit down and have ourselves a drink! And after we're done - after *I'm* done, you can run upstairs and take whichever one of them little pills makes you feel the best~Dolores Claiborne

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by chance1

your "attempt" at gotcha is sad

What's sad is that, after all the awful and childish shit you say about posters individually and as a group on a continual basis you get you panties in a bunch over a legitimate ANALOGY and throw a temper tantrum about it like a three year old ALL FUCKING DAY.

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Baiting is the all purpose term for pushing a fight... sometimes so, but other times to point out the hypocrisy on the other side's arguments. The mindset on much of the left, as is the right,(this being predominantly of course a left leaning forum) is the absolutely superiority not only of their values but of their character as people...the other side is pretty much less than fully human, motivated by callous and nasty natures....to be derided and at best condescended down to. I definitely am not the right wing reactionary I'm probably thought of here and I don't expect to be validated nor want to be. But I don't consider those thinking contrary to myself either right or left in themselves bad people because they dont hold my views. I am pro gay rights period....I am supportive of some level of gun control....I am pro-life but I support the rights of women to opt for abortion in cases of rape and incest....a number of other things but I don't pigeonhole those who don't completely share my outlook as villains, or tools. It depends on the person.... yeah, we are talking about politics on the internet. So if it's not totally serious, not life and death why the absolute refusal to seriously venture away from personal biases towards some kind of understanding for other positions not one's own. If you don't give one inch on just about anything, you're taking this as life and death. You don't have to agree with me all that much but to just acknowledge sometimes you don't have all the answers and you could ask a few more questions while you're at it. I know I don't have all the answers....I know I'm not the intellectual equal of many here by far.... I am wrong more than I'd like to admit. I give in to my biases sometimes. Let my temper get the best of me and I'm ALWAYS typing stone cold sober. "Jews for Hitler" may be provocative but it's not provoking. It's shining a light on those who are blind to their own excesses. Truthfully, most every thread is a baiting thread if that is considered to be the reason this thread was created as most point to good guys and villains. Typically liberal vs conservative but sometimes the other way around.

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

What's sad is that, after all the awful and childish shit you say about posters individually and as a group on a continual basis you get you panties in a bunch over a legitimate ANALOGY and throw a temper tantrum about it like a three year old ALL FUCKING DAY.

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by BostonPirate

dropped his turd. Buddy you need to stop. We were here when it went down, and this is just a bitter splinter of something else. Now just because I said in one thread that you had a place here, doesn't mean I intend on pretending to step in line with your beliefs or be accused of wounding you.

it was over and then u dropped a turd - scroll up to see if u like - or did u forget what u posted? its post 66

Re: Jews for Hitler

Originally Posted by chance1

jews for hitler is not a legitimate analogy

says you.

in fact it's perfectly legitimate.

hitler made his thoughts on jews and their place in society perfectly clear for years prior to winning election in 1933. the nuremburg laws should have been a surprise to absolutely no one, but there were jews who either didn't believe he hated them as much as he claimed, didn't believe he would ever have the power to make good on his wishes, or who put economic resurgence (the "great equalizer") above all else in the false belief that a rising tide lifts all boats. It doesn't.

When someone tells you to your face that you don't deserve the same civil rights that they themselves enjoy. BELIEVE THEM.

You want to support that? Go right ahead, it's your right, but don't expect other people to be congratulatory and full of praise for throwing them under the bus.

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Romney is not hitler.

Of course he's not Hitler. It is NOT an analogy between Mitt Romney and Hitler, it's an analogy about a group of people knowingly voting against their own interests and supporting a candidate who makes no bones about what he thinks they deserve in society. It's an analogy about a group of people fooling themselves into thinking the candidate can be controlled, doesn't mean it or that other issues are of greater importance.

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

says you.

in fact it's perfectly legitimate.

hitler made his thoughts on jews and their place in society perfectly clear for years prior to winning election in 1933. the nuremburg laws should have been a surprise to absolutely no one, but there were jews who either didn't believe he hated them as much as he claimed, didn't believe he would ever have the power to make good on his wishes, or who put economic resurgence (the "great equalizer") above all else in the false belief that a rising tide lifts all boats. It doesn't.

When someone tells you to your face that you don't deserve the same civil rights that they themselves enjoy. BELIEVE THEM.

You want to support that? Go right ahead, it's your right, but don't expect other people to be congratulatory and full of praise for throwing them under the bus.

did u study history? hitler exterminated jews ......... rounded them up ........ took their possessions ........... incinerated them

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Of course he's not Hitler. It is NOT an analogy between Mitt Romney and Hitler, it's an analogy about a group of people knowingly voting against their own interests and supporting a candidate who makes no bones about what he thinks they deserve in society. It's an analogy about a group of people fooling themselves into thinking the candidate can be controlled, doesn't mean it or that other issues are of greater importance.

Andy, neither Romney or anyone else in the republican party want to kill gays. Comparing Romney to Hitler and comparing people who support a US Presidential candidate to Jews in nazi Germany just doesn't make any sense.

Nothing is similar. Nothing is comparable.

Romney is not a conservative -- he's a moderate. You and others should be happy that the republican party is running a moderate for President for the second time in a row.

I don't think I'm a fool for voting my conscience. Being bisexual does not define me as a person -- I am so much more than my sex preferences. I have so many interests outside what many in here consider a club. I don't belong to a club -- I'm a person, an individual.

You don't speak for me. For example, I don't like the crap that goes on in gay pride marches -- much of it obscene from what I've seen on the Internet. Do gay pride parades describe you as a person -- is that all you are -- I honestly doubt it.

You're a person Andy, a special person, a person that is unique and not one that is defined by a group of people. I am one too. Don't be defined by a group that may not have all your best interests as an individual at heart.

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Originally Posted by chance1

did u study history? hitler exterminated jews ......... rounded them up ........ took their possessions ........... incinerated them

a couple million of them

you get an F

No you get a F. While that was the end result and his sinister goal it was not how the Nazi party came into power. Maybe if the word Hitler was changed to Nazi political party that would be a better term? Hitler didn't achieve success as a one man army, he had plenty of help in his evil beliefs and they aided in securing power the previous decade before the first Jew, Pole, gypsy, gay, handicapped ever hit the fires.

"the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying".