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Br Cornelius 5,908

Vegetarianism(ie. not veganism) encompasses the practice of following plant-based diets (fruits, vegetables, etc.), with or without the inclusion of dairy products or eggs, and with the exclusion of meat (red meat, poultry, and seafood). Abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin, may also be practiced.

Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or sometimes other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.

* Sentient vegetarianism (also known as yogic or sattvic diet), a plant based diet which may also include dairy (not eggs) and honey, but excludes anything from the onion or leek family, red lentils, durian fruit, mushrooms, blue cheeses, fermented foods or sauces, alcoholic drinks and often also excludes coffee, black or green tea, chocolate, nutmeg or any other type of stimulant such as excess sharp spices.

* Buddhist vegetarianism (also known as su vegetarianism) excludes all animal products as well as vegetables in the allium family (which have the characteristic aroma of onion and garlic): onion, garlic, scallions, leeks, or shallots.

* Jain vegetarianism includes dairy but excludes eggs and honey, as well as root vegetables.

The body can preserve stores of B12 for up to 30 years, and reuses the vitamin without destroying the substance. Clinical evidence has shown a deficiency of B12 in vegans and, to lesser degree, vegetarians.

So, when you start a vegan diet at around 30, then after 20 or 30 years you will get into problems because of a B!2 deficiency.

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keithisco 3,632

Vegetarianism(ie. not veganism) encompasses the practice of following plant-based diets (fruits, vegetables, etc.), with or without the inclusion of dairy products or eggs, and with the exclusion of meat (red meat, poultry, and seafood). Abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin, may also be practiced.

* Sentient vegetarianism (also known as yogic or sattvic diet), a plant based diet which may also include dairy (not eggs) and honey, but excludes anything from the onion or leek family, red lentils, durian fruit, mushrooms, blue cheeses, fermented foods or sauces, alcoholic drinks and often also excludes coffee, black or green tea, chocolate, nutmeg or any other type of stimulant such as excess sharp spices.

* Buddhist vegetarianism (also known as su vegetarianism) excludes all animal products as well as vegetables in the allium family (which have the characteristic aroma of onion and garlic): onion, garlic, scallions, leeks, or shallots.

* Jain vegetarianism includes dairy but excludes eggs and honey, as well as root vegetables.

Whoaaa... are you telling me that some Veggies will not eat anything from the Allium family (onions , garlic), or dairy products made from milk, or Honey none of which involves Loss of Life tom an animal??? That is just bizarre and very definitely in the camp of "Religious Tradition" rather than reality.

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Forget being a believer or skeptic- being a skeptical believer or believing skeptic provides for much more interesting discussion.

Accept for the yeast, all the sources on that site are of animal origin: eggs and milk products. So, a vegetarian (belonging to one or two of the catagories I mentioned in my former post) won't have a lot of problems, but vegans will.

Abramelin 2,499

Whoaaa... are you telling me that some Veggies will not eat anything from the Allium family (onions , garlic), or dairy products made from milk, or Honey none of which involves Loss of Life tom an animal??? That is just bizarre and very definitely in the camp of "Religious Tradition" rather than reality.

Personally I think this is worse: "* Macrobiotic diets consist mostly of whole grains and beans.".

If they sit on a bike and light their never ending farts, they can propel themselves cross country, lol.

When they also use onions, garlic and cabbage in their diet, they will reach dangerous speeds !!

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Br Cornelius 5,908

Accept for the yeast, all the sources on that site are of animal origin: eggs and milk products. So, a vegetarian (belonging to one or two of the catagories I mentioned in my former post) won't have a lot of problems, but vegans will.

I doubt there are many beekeeper who are stupid enough to leave less than the hive needs to survive.

Well no, smart beekeepers don't starve their bees. But stealing food from the bees is one of the plausible arguments for not eating honey. I think it's akin to not having dairy products because it can be thought of as stealing food from calves.

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Well no, smart beekeepers don't starve their bees. But stealing food from the bees is one of the plausible arguments for not eating honey. I think it's akin to not having dairy products because it can be thought of as stealing food from calves.

Anybody who knows anything about bee keeping and animal husbandry knows that cows produce much more milk (especially our turbo cows with 8-12 gallons a day) than any calf could drink and bees produce up to 8 times the honey they need to get the hive through the winter (unless it was a year with hardly anything blooming), that is up to 40 pounds per hive-- they might need 5-6.

Only those who live in some kind of phantasy world could come to those conclusions.

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Br Cornelius 5,908

Well no, smart beekeepers don't starve their bees. But stealing food from the bees is one of the plausible arguments for not eating honey. I think it's akin to not having dairy products because it can be thought of as stealing food from calves.

Milk production in the modern factory farming system is one of the most brutal experiences imaginable. The calves are sent away to veal crates and the mothers are bred to the point where their life is short and painful.

Just to show I am not a holier than though type - I drink milk from that system. However out here in Ireland the Milk cows are not excessively overbred and the calves generally go off to become bullocks with a relatively happy life out in the fields.

Anybody who knows anything about bee keeping and animal husbandry knows that cows produce much more milk (especially our turbo cows with 8-12 gallons a day) than any calf could drink and bees produce up to 8 times the honey they need to get the hive through the winter (unless it was a year with hardly anything blooming), that is up to 40 pounds per hive-- they might need 5-6.

Only those who live in some kind of phantasy world could come to those conclusions.

I don't think it's a fantasy world.. I think it's ignorance mostly. Most people don't really think about or realize how much honey bees make, or how much milk cows make. They don't really think about farming practices and husbandry or food processing. A lot of people are amazingly ignorant about a lot of food stuff.

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Professor T 2,229

Milk production in the modern factory farming system is one of the most brutal experiences imaginable. The calves are sent away to veal crates and the mothers are bred to the point where their life is short and painful.

Just to show I am not a holier than though type - I drink milk from that system. However out here in Ireland the Milk cows are not excessively overbred and the calves generally go off to become bullocks with a relatively happy life out in the fields.

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It is disgusting, that here in New Zealand, some Dairy farmers perpously inject the cows with a chemical that aborts the calf prematurely. The calfs die. But the farmer gets an extra 6-12 weeks of milking and the Cash that goes with it.. (So much for our clean and green image down here)

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Whoaaa... are you telling me that some Veggies will not eat anything from the Allium family (onions , garlic), or dairy products made from milk, or Honey none of which involves Loss of Life tom an animal??? That is just bizarre and very definitely in the camp of "Religious Tradition" rather than reality.

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skookum 1,508

Well its virtually happened to me already. As a single parent not on a massive wage I can rarely afford meat for myself. I do for my son but I simply cannot afford it day to day. I have also a long time ago taken to eating only once a day myself and often pretty rank stuff like lentils etc.

Every time I go for groceries I am shocked at the constant increases, especially over the last few weeks. The British Medical Association (BMA) are simply loving this as they have been supporting getting meat priced out of the average persons budget for quite a few years. I guess somebody will be happy.

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Br Cornelius 5,908

There are multiple extremely reasonable explanations for why current food prices are going through the ceiling. Don't allow yourself to be dragged into CT explanations for why the man is taking your meat away.

Just look out into the real world to understand the multiple pressures on food supplies - starting with the price of oil.

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omerta 277

Accept for the yeast, all the sources on that site are of animal origin: eggs and milk products. So, a vegetarian (belonging to one or two of the catagories I mentioned in my former post) won't have a lot of problems, but vegans will.

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Rolci 178

Well if anybody ever watched Forks over Knives, they'll probably realize how much harm meat and dairy actually do to you, so it only makes sense to become a veg-junkie. What's the point of not smoking, if you eat meat? It's like you have a diet coke with your burger.