1/ Menbers of the Nordic Council are not all Scandinavian , Finland is a menber and they are Finno-ugrian.

So what? Firstly Scandinavia is not necessarily always an ethnic name. Secondly Finland has a large Swedish population and has been so long under Swedish rule and influence that it has lost most of it's Balticness. Thirdly it has the same kind of living standard and well-functioning as the other Scandinavian countries. Fourthly it has the right size to be accepted as Scandinavian. Scandinavia is for small countries only. In nature bigger fishes swallow smaller fishes. As a defense the smaller fishes form shoals to confuse and make it harder for the big fishes. The small fishes in the pond are the Scandinavian countries and the big fishes are Germany and Russia. The Baltic countries were swallowed by Russia and have not until recently been regurgitated. I don't hope that you find this analogy too fishy

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2/ Why Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania aren't menbers of the Nordic council ?
Because this organisation was created during the Cold war, and these 3 countries were under the rules of Soviet Union

Allthough these three countries have the right size they are not yet wealthy and well-functioning enough to qualify for membership of the Scandinavian club. Scandinavia is not for paupers and furthermore these countries may have problems with Russia and their big Russian minorities - problems that the Scandinavian countries don't want to be involved with. A friendly and neutral relationship with Russia and Germany must be the official policy. It is like when Denmark in 1848-51 and 1864 fought with the Germans over the problem with the large German minority in Denmark, the other Scandinavian countries were reluctant in sending troops and only voluntaries joined the Danish army. When the Finns fought against the Soviet Union in 1940 only voluntaries came from the other Scandinavian countries.

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But I agree with you , English, ┤German or Russian are not Scandinavian.

People outside of Scandinavia want to be called Scandinavic because they think that you are the purest Aryan people in the earth.

People who have never been to Scandinavia may believe in a myth of how tall, blue-eyed and blond Scandinavians are. The Nordic subrace is certainly more predominant here than in any other place in Europe, but Scandinavians too are like all other European people a blend of the various subraces. You will certainly find short Scandinavians and Scandinavians with either black hair or brown eyes. E.g. from statistics from the 1960ies it is evident that 10 percent of all Danes have brown eyes, where this is case for 30 per cent of the English and French people and 90 per cent of the Italians.

So what? Firstly Scandinavia is not necessarily always an ethnic name. Secondly Finland has a large Swedish population and has been so long under Swedish rule and influence that it has lost most of it's Balticness. Thirdly it has the same kind of living standard and well-functioning as the other Scandinavian countries. Fourthly it has the right size to be accepted as Scandinavian. Scandinavia is for small countries only. In nature bigger fishes swallow smaller fishes. As a defense the smaller fishes form shoals to confuse and make it harder for the big fishes. The small fishes in the pond are the Scandinavian countries and the big fishes are Germany and Russia. The Baltic countries were swallowed by Russia and have not until recently been regurgitated. I don't hope that you find this analogy too fishy

Allthough these three countries have the right size they are not yet wealthy and well-functioning enough to qualify for membership of the Scandinavian club. Scandinavia is not for paupers and furthermore these countries may have problems with Russia and their big Russian minorities - problems that the Scandinavian countries don't want to be involved with. A friendly and neutral relationship with Russia and Germany must be the official policy. It is like when Denmark in 1848-51 and 1864 fought with the Germans over the problem with the large German minority in Denmark, the other Scandinavian countries were reluctant in sending troops and only voluntaries joined the Danish army. When the Finns fought against the Soviet Union in 1940 only voluntaries came from the other Scandinavian countries.

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1/ If Scandinavia is not on a ethnic name ? one day Congo will be menber of Scandinavia coutnries .

2/ Finland doesn't have a large swedish population. The percentage of Pakisti in england is Highter than the percentage of Swedish in finland, and you can not say that England is part of India

3/ You say that Baltci coutnries are too poor to be menber of Scandivian countries . So Kuwait and Arabia saoudi could be menber of this club ?

and by the way in the last centuries lot of Scandivanian people emigrates to USA, Canada, Russia or Estonia because Sweden and Norway were too poor, so Scandinavian histore start only fews decades ago !

1/ If Scandinavia is not on a ethnic name ? one day Congo will be menber of Scandinavia coutnries .

In reality all Scandinavians know what is Scandinavian and what is not. From time immemorial the Danes have regarded the Norwegians and the Swedes as the same kind people and the Germans as true foreigners. From a Danish point of view Scandinavia can be defined as that in Scandinavia which is different from Germany. Nordic is thus something different from Germany and something that Germans never can be a part of.

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2/ Finland doesn't have a large swedish population. The percentage of Pakisti in england is Highter than the percentage of Swedish in finland, and you can not say that England is part of India

Finland is officially a bilingual country like Belgium. In 1972 7 per cent of the population were Swedish speaking, and I think that the Swedish percentage used to be much bigger. When Sweden was wealthier than Finland a lot of Swedish Finns emigrated to Sweden.

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3/ You say that Baltci coutnries are too poor to be menber of Scandivian countries . So Kuwait and Arabia saoudi could be menber of this club ?

Only small Nordic countries can be that, and the Nordic countries are in the North - hence the name Nordic. Furthermore, the inhabitants of a Nordic country regard the other Nordic countries as brother countries because of the cultural, historical and ethnic common stamp. I think that the Baltic countries would prefere a closer relationship to and get their inspiration from the small Scandinavian countries rather than from big countries like Russia and Germany. I think that the Scadinavian welfare model with a high standard of living and a high level of social security is easy to sell to the Balts. One day they may have changed so much in the direction of Scandinavia, that they like Finland could become natural members of the community of Nordic nations.

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and by the way in the last centuries lot of Scandivanian people emigrates to USA, Canada, Russia or Estonia because Sweden and Norway were too poor, so Scandinavian histore start only fews decades ago !

Yes, the Baltic situation could change to the better in a few decades.

But the name Nordic should not be applied by Non-Scandinavians.

Germans, Russians, Englishmen etc. should instead choose the word Aryan or White if they are looking for racial name and leave Nordic the inhabitants of the Nordic countries.

OK i'll try to help you all with this one :
Firstly, to that russian chauvinist : Baltic states are included in this poll because it is a Baltic/Scandinavian sub-forum, and yes, name of this thread/poll is incorrect.
Secondly , I am not a big expert of genetics :

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MtDNA diversity revealed that Lithuanians are close to both Slavic (Indo-European) and Finno-Ugric speaking populations of Northern and Eastern Europe. Y-chromosome SNP haplogroup analysis showed Lithuanians to be closest to Latvians and Estonians.

When I look out of the window, all I can see are the grey colours in the middle of darkness, but it will be the feast of middle winter very soon. They have the same original word for "Xmas" in Swedish, Finnish and Estonian. Which other countries are also "jullńnder"?

Because this subforum is for 8 countries being the Nordic and Baltic countries, all these are included in the poll. The starter of the thread meant it so, even if the title mentions only Nordic.

Yea, everyone wants to be Nordic, but only few are culturally so.

As for Finland, yes Finland is one of the Nordic countries even if the language isn't North-Germanic like the others have. Yes there are quite a lot of Swedish influence culturally speaking, even the legislation has a base on the Swedish one. But genetically, even if there have been genetic exhange on both ways, Finns remain different from Scandinavians. The Nordid phenotype in Finland is eastern one not Scando, and Finland shares the forefathers with the Balts. Motherline is more western European, which may be a bit surprizing.

Nevertheless it's amazing that still, over 2 years after starting this thread people are arguing who is Nordic and who is not. Well not everyone can be Nordic! Accept it please...

This thread is supposed to me a welcome thread of some sort for new members from these 6 countries. Please keep it that way

Have you noticed who was arguing over the Nordicness?
Oone Armenian and one Russian in the last couple of pages. Let the Nordics decide who is Nordic.. but I think I must agree about Estonia, it's only 1.5 hours from Helsinki by boat, same climate and same language, I think it's as Nordic as Finland...

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Re: Which nordic country are you from?

I am probably the only one arguing that England isn't, as such, Nordic.

If Nordic means race, and more specifically Northern European, then yes it is. By traditional racial theory, at least, the British Isles are home to several Northern European sub-races. I don't buy into much of that Kelto-Nord, Hallstatt, etc, but I do accept the northern/southern racial division in Europe.

But England is culturally different to Scandinavia, the Nordic states, whatever term you wish to use for those particular nations. We do have much in common, but we English have as much in common with the French as well. Personally, unless he is a fellow Asatru, a Dane or Norwegian is as much a foreigner as a Frenchman or Greek to my eyes.

Nordic in the context of this thread means culturally Nordic, not Nordid by phenotype. Besides in SF it's un-PC to talk about physical differences between Europids, or so I have noticed. So let's leave anthropology on forums where they belong.

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Re: Which nordic country are you from?

Nordid is it? There is quite a bit about European sub races on SF, its not really an issue, as long as you are not a Nordicist, sure it's nordid??, I think both terms are valid, although I could be wrong, or Mediterranean supremacist, then you are not likely to get flamed/moderated.

Obviously I don't mean to tell you what identity your country has, the list was just my opinion on the subject that's all. Many people outside the UK lump English, Scots, and Welsh, as one people, which I disagree with.