The thing is, up and down are not so important in newaza. The terms they are using were coined by BJJ and I am sure that no one here named it as such.

I actually thought that this thread was about the applicability of the technique shown, not terms used. Aeso thought the technique was flawed (I think), or he was trying to inflame my Kano/Kimura/Inokuma/Yamashita nut riding.

crossing your feet while taking someone's back is bad. is there a hidden meaning i'm missing from that picture? or is that it?

i was told and shown why my first month in jiujitsu.

Look, either you're too dumb to get that Aesopian was pointing out a flaw in Judo's grappling game, or you're intentionally trolling. Either case will earn you a few days probation if you chose to continue shitting up the thread.

If you want to cross your legs, first control the upper body and secure a fig.4 with your legs then fight for the choke or argue whether or not the definition of "mount" should be changed for special people.

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Ok, now I'm confused. I was under the impression that you cross the ankles. Why is it a bad habit? Doesn't that help stay on your opponent's back if he tries to roll over?????

To answer you directly: Crossing the ankles works GREAT on total dopes - you crank the hold in a little harder and a little faster.

But against anybody with half a brain, they can put any number of horrible things into play by simply levering your top leg's achillies tendon against your bottom leg's shin, which hurts like hell and will often break the choke. If it doesn't, it can turn into a pretty gnarly ankle lock about half a second later. It's basically just a corner people cut in comps where you can't do ankle locks. It's also a mistake new grapplers make instinctively.

Your average one-month BJJ white belt prays to hit the crossed-ankle lock whenever they get backmounted. So much so, in fact, that I've had a few new guys try to slap in on me while my hooks were completely parallel and I have to tap them with body triangles as punishment.

Crossing your ankles even against total beginners is a bad idea. Hell, back in the day I manually crossed someone's feet just to land that lock.

Your average one-month BJJ white belt prays to hit the crossed-ankle lock whenever they get backmounted. So much so, in fact, that I've had a few new guys try to slap in on me while my hooks were completely parallel and I have to tap them with body triangles as punishment.

Crossing your ankles even against total beginners is a bad idea. Hell, back in the day I manually crossed someone's feet just to land that lock.

The way it is done in Judo is the RNC or Hakada Jime will already be sunk on and then the hips are locked so there is leverage for a the guy on back to arch into the choke. It is difficult to do anything to the ankles if the person has leverage and the choke is already applied.

This set up may be inferior to the BJJ one but it is not as simple as just apply an ankle lock. The entire situation is the result in different theory, Bjj's position before sub, and Judo's sub as position is gained or submission first then position.

The problem with trying to get the submission before the position - unless you're a freak like Marcelo Garcia - is that the guy can escape while you're trying to get the sub and you end up losing a great position.