MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, also known as the “Ten Commandments Judge,” has won the state primary runoff for the U.S. Senate, significantly defeating his opponent Luther Strange despite President Trump’s endorsement of Strange.

As of press time, with 92 percent of precincts reporting, Moore had obtained 54 percent of the vote versus 45 percent for Strange.

Strange has conceded the race, remarking in a statement, “I congratulate Roy Moore on the result this evening. May God be with him and may God continue to bless Alabama and the United States of America.”

He also thanked President Trump and Vice President Pence for their support.

Trump himself congratulated Moore upon learning the results of the race, tweeting, “Congratulations to Roy Moore on his Republican Primary win in Alabama. Luther Strange started way back & ran a good race. Roy, WIN in Dec!”

Moore, while thanking his supporters Tuesday night, also gave thanks foremost to God, noting that he never prayed to God to win, but rather asked that the Lord’s will would be done. He said that it is not good for a man to think that he won on his own, and noted that losing is sometimes good for a person.

“[T]here’s nothing too great for God. For one day every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain or hill shall be made low. The crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain. And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it,” Moore said, quoting from the book of Isaiah.

“We’re put here on earth for a short time, and for that short time, our duty is to serve Almighty God and serve Him in all things,” he also declared. “[W]e have to return the knowledge of God and the Constitution of the United States to the United States Congress.”

Moore lamented the division that is sweeping America, but expressed optimism that God can restore the country to its former “greatness.”

“This is a time for victory. It’s a time to remember the struggles we’ve gone through. But it’s also a time to rededicate our lives to God, and to our Constitution and to our country, [and] to our families,” he said.

Moore generated widespread support from evangelicals both statewide and nationwide, including James Dobson of Focus on the Family and Franklin Graham of Samaritan’s Purse. Several former White House cabinet members also appeared at Moore’s rallies, including Sebastian Gorka, an intelligence analyst who served as an advisor to President Trump, and former Chief of Staff Steve Bannon.

As previously reported, Moore is known as the “Ten Commandments Judge” as he was ousted from the Alabama Supreme Court in 2003 following a battle over a Ten Commandments monument he had erected in the high court’s rotunda.

He was reelected by the people in 2012 as chief justice, but the Alabama Court of the Judiciary suspended him again last year following a trial over a memo he released in 2016, advising that his colleagues had not reversed a decision prohibiting probate judges from issuing marriage licenses to homosexuals as per the Alabama Constitution. After the suspension was upheld in April, Moore resigned and soon announced his run for U.S. Senate.

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MCrow

*Sigh* Even when I used to be a Christian, I never liked politicians like this. They are far too boastful in their supposed humility. Saying “I asked that God’s will be done and look at me now!” is just…blah.

Well, slow clap. Dominionists everywhere are doubtless celebrating. Doubtless when the time comes to swear to uphold the constitution, he won’t balk at ignoring it in favor of the Bible or the part where he’s not supposed to swear oaths.

disqus_myThSrn61a

You never were a Christian. There is no such thing as an ex-Christian. John 10:28-29.

MCrow

You know the sad thing? I tried to be. I honestly did. I prayed, I read the Bible, I went to church, I sought God, and I loved him. That love was one way, and my only reward was being abandoned by Christians for not being good enough, depression, and abusive parents. The atheists and agnostics in my life have been far kinder to me, and with far less judgmental self-righteousness of declaring I apparently wasted my life.

So thanks. People like you confirm my choice.

brine

Being a Christian isn’t necessarily in the ‘doing of things”. While Christians are supposed to ‘do the things’ God asks that isn’t the new birth nor does doing some of the things God asks make one born again. I can wear scrubs, read medical books and show up to a hospital with a scalpel…things a doctor does…but that doesn’t make me a doctor. The new birth and actually becoming a Christian is a work of God that He performs with resulting proofs. As one preacher said…when I got born again it was something I haven’t gotten over…a year later, 10 years later, 20 years later…while I may be disappointed in how people act and what they profess that doesn’t change who God is and what He did for me.

As far Christians being judgmental…there is a proper judgment Christians are supposed to have, including the ‘harsh’ measure of breaking fellowship if someone professes to be a Christian and walks disorderly. And people are free to accept or reject that but it doesn’t change God’s Word. This modern American Christianity that says make people comfortable in sin and pat them on the back the entire time while ‘reinterpreting the Word to suite the world’ isn’t a biblical Christianity. There is mercy and grace but there are continual warnings of judgment, reproofs, rebukes and actions against sinfulness and willful rebellion.

MCrow

I was often rebuked for such things as not leading a class in prayer despite that being illegal. I was reproached for speaking out when my father hit me for being a disobedient son. Despite this, I held on to my faith. Until non-Christians stepped in and actually did something more than pray and rebuke. Then I started to question. My questions were met with further rebuke. I found answers that others didn’t like. Eventually, I left.

I don’t overmuch care how label me. I figured out a long time ago that people would break fellowship, as you put it, and those are not people that I want as friends or family.

Amos Moses – He>i

i cant help but think that recent events where you are has brought this about …. i do not think Christ has abandoned you …. even if others have …..

Peter Leh

when you challenge Man’s Kingdom.. you will get rebuke.

even Jesus demonstrated this.

Know that god loves you and will move heaven and earth for MCrow. Keep pressing into him… he will reveal himself to you.

you are worth it. you are loved my friend

Jerome Horwitz

I was often rebuked for such things as not leading a class in prayer despite that being illegal.

According to whom?

This style 10/6

The Constitution.

Jerome Horwitz

Wrong. You should try reading it instead of trumpeting willful ignorance in the name of hate.

MCrow

My boss. The state. The US government. Take your pick

Jerome Horwitz

No. The Authority you answer to is not earthly. At no point within the Bible did anyone who followed Jesus (or God, for that matter) say, “Well, they said I can’t pray. So I won’t.” They did anyway.

MCrow

Romans 13. Regardless, I prayed on my own time. Now I just focus on teaching the kids and providing them with the knowledge they will need. If they want to pray, they are allowed

Amos Moses – He>i

good words ……….

NCOriolesFan

So what happened to YOUR Christian kindness? Blaming everyone but yourself for your failures. Typical liberal.

MCrow

I don’t view my walk from Christianity as a failure. I view it as leaving behind something harmful to me. It took me years to shake off the programming, but I am now in a far better place than before. And I try to be kind. But then, I don’t expect sympathy from people here, so I don’t really give much either

NCOriolesFan

I am sorry for whatever caused you to leave but God will never leave you People will always fail because we’re fallible – took me a decade to comprehend this. God never fails because he is perfect. Come back to Him and find a more welcoming church.

Peter Leh

come back to him and be wary of the church.

you can have the church … I’ll take Jesus

NCOriolesFan

Jesus is the church – HIs church.

Peter Leh

I agree… which is why I am wary of man’s church

NCOriolesFan

Well then come back to Jesus. There’s a load of churches near you that you can fit into. It will take time to know the church and the church to know you. You have to visit more than one to get your bearing where you want to be.

NO CHURCH IS PERFECT and NEVER WILL BE. Take me a while to figure this out too. My church is loaded with examples why I chose to stay despite being single in a majority married church. It is my family where I have no family near by to lean on. All started with a married couple who reached out to me and our friendship took off.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

MCrow, Humanity has two choices.God or he world.

God has a ot to offer Humanity.But it is in Eternity that we will receive what he is offering us.

The world has a lot to offer us as well. And it is in the here and now. We don’t have to wait for it.

The problem with Humanity is that we want to choose the world over God because it seems more fun to us. The lust of the flesh is strong in Humanity.The problem is what are attracted to is sin.

Sin always looks good and makes us feel good in the flesh.But in the end it leads to death and destruction.

God leads to life.

I pray one day you will see that what God has to offer us is worth the wait.And I pray God will lead you to complete and total deliverance.

MCrow

The servants of the world have done far more to help me and far less to harm me than the servants of God. Maybe that will change one day, but there’s a lot of ground to make up. Frankly, theodicy is impossible to reconcile, and I at the moment tend toward a kind of reverse Pascal’s Wager where I live as I choose and if I am condemned for it, then so be it.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I will keep you in my prayers. Please remember God loved you enough to send His Son for you/

Amos Moses – He>i

the world welcomes its own …. and it seems they accept you as they think you are one of them ….. nothing is promised in this life in being a christian except persecution ….. persecution for doing what is right in Gods eyes ……. and from what you are saying …. you seem to think christianity is about your effort …. its not and it never was …. it is about Christ … there are false christians and false christianity …. there are bad parents …. all parents are bad parents in one way or another …. we all fail …… you are a neverwas … but the good news is that Christ may make you nowyouare … just because you are a neverwas does not mean you are barred for life ….

Peter Leh

”
The atheists and agnostics in my life have been far kinder to me, and
with far less judgmental self-righteousness of declaring I apparently
wasted my life.

So thanks. People like you confirm my choice.”

Yep

mr goody two shoes

Sounds like Those that run This website .Go to breitbart or the hill Im POSTING NEW WEBSITE

Jerome Horwitz

That love was one way, and my only reward was being abandoned by Christians for not being good enough, depression, and abusive parents.

And you never asked God to deliver you from that? Seems to me you chose to turn your back on Jesus for the behavior of others. That’s not His fault.

MCrow

You think I didn’t? I did. And here’s the thing: if Christianity is this objective, all encompassing good, it shouldn’t allow people who claim it to behave that way. I won’t say it’s Jesus’s fault, since in general I don’t mind his teachings, but I also walked away from Christianity because I saw no evidence for and a lot of evidence against

Jerome Horwitz

And here’s the thing: if Christianity is this objective, all encompassing good, it shouldn’t allow people who claim it to behave that way.

Where did you get that idea? The Bible says we shouldn’t sin. That doesn’t mean we cannot. As we are human and Adam brought us all into sin through his own choices, becoming a Christian won’t make us robots. God gave us free will because He wanted us to come to Him, to love Him, to worship Him, all on our own.

but I also walked away from Christianity because I saw no evidence for and a lot of evidence against

Are you familiar with Lee Strobel? He was an atheist as well as an investigative journalist who sought to prove Jesus Christ, as a Man and God, was a myth. What he found instead changed his life forever.

He wrote a book about it which was turned into a film that’s now available for rent and online streaming.

The Case for Christ.

Check it out.

MCrow

I’ve read it and watched it. Does not change my mind. I acknowledge that Jesus was likely a historic figure who lived and had some good ideas. I’d go so far as to say he’s a good role model to follow. This doesn’t obligate me to worship him any more than thinking Ghandi was a good guy with good ideas obligates me to be a Buddhist.

I know many Christians who are decent folk who dedicate themselves to simple lives helping the poor and downtrodden. Those Christians I respect and admire. However, most I think would be good decent people without Christianity. When one can use the Bible to justify slavery, oppression, and beating children, I view it as not being objectively a good thing.

Jerome Horwitz

Real Christians read the Bible and understand what it says. You won’t see one in Joel Osteen’s church, in Fred Phelps’s church, Rick Warren’s church. You will at First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN.

MCrow

Aye, and no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

Frankly, I don’t overmuch care what a true Christian is. I judge a person on their individual actions. I see people use the Bible to justify beating children, excuse rape, and silence minorities, all with verses and scripture. You can say they are not “true Christians,” but what is being done to stop them?

Jerome Horwitz

No True Scotsman doesn’t apply as there is no open definition for Christianity.

Intelligence FAIL.

MCrow

Oh, dear. Borrowing from Amos, are we? I assume you mean ‘a definition open to interpretation,’ and there I’m going to ask a simple question: then what’s with all the denominations and church splitting? The term “heresy” is one coined in the western world to explain what is “true” Christianity and what isn’t. And if it is not open to interpretation, by all means, do tell: what is the one true definition of a Christian?

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Amen

Peter Leh

“You never were a Christian. There is no such thing as an ex-Christian. John 10:28-29.”

or

he is a christian rebuked by those building man’s kingdom. IE the church

mr goody two shoes

Sounds like you were Baptist of some sort since you mentioned swearing of oaths AS they teach that’s not biblical were you the open kind of baptist or non denominational .kind . Hiding in closet kind .

Cool. Hopefully he’ll stick to his guns, keep violating laws and court orders, and then get banned from this branch of politics, too.

Jerome Horwitz

Which ones did he break?

Lifeismeanttobegood

There is hope. Judge Moore embodies the values that made the US a great country. Compare that with the Progressive decay of today’s left and heir Godless dreams and the choice for the future becomes very clear.

Michael C

I truly don’t understand.

Do Christians want to put people into positions of power who blatantly violate the US Constitution in order to further Christianity? Is that what Christians want?

Do they really have such little respect for the Constitution?

NCOriolesFan

Christians obey God’s laws over the Constitution. All it does is compliment God’s laws.

Peter Leh

Including slaves? What does god say about how to treat slaves? Women? Homosexuals? Debt? Shellfish? mixed material in clothing?

Naw.. you pick and choose “gods law”. Thank god for equal protection.

Amos Moses – He>i

you just did ………..

Peter Leh

we all do… which is why I eat shrimp and drink beer and dont own slaves.

We all cherry pick.

That is why we have denominations. otherwise there would only be one church and one interpretation of the scriptures

Amos Moses – He>i

no … selective use of scripture is not what christians do ….. but it is what you just did ….. there is no prohibition of the things you mention (shrimp, beer, alcohol) nor are they endorsed by scripture (slavery) …..

Peter Leh

you mean two churches right next to each other do not have selective use of scripture?

naw.. they split over picking their cherry scriptures. 🙂

Actions speak louder than words my friend

Amos Moses – He>i

first we are not friends …… second …. selective use of scripture makes it no longer scripture ….. that is adding or subtracting from scripture and there is a penalty ……. and rather a steep penalty ……..

Peter Leh

“first we are not friends”

Ok, you dont have to think so.

“selective use of scripture makes it no longer scripture”

yet we do …even you

“that is adding or subtracting from scripture and there is a penalty ……. and rather a steep penalty ……..”

so what one church “has it ALL right”

HMMMM?

not you not yours

you have said so yourself ” no church is perfect”

Amos Moses – He>i

no … i do not …. and if i do then i should be called on it ….. so fire away ……

“so what one church “has it ALL right””

Christs church …. it is the only church …. and we have already covered this ….

“you have said so yourself ” no church is perfect””

as an organization …. yes …. as the body of Christ, of the Elect …. there is no condemnation of His church …. and His church is not contained by any building or any denomination …… the word “catholic” used here is the generic defined as “universal” ….

I. The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that fills all in all.

II. The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion; and of their children: and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, the house and family of God, out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation.

III. Unto this catholic visible Church, Christ has given the ministry, oracles, and ordinances of God, for the gathering and perfecting of the saints, in this life, to the end of the world: and does, by His own presence and Spirit, according to His promise, make them effectual thereunto.

IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible. And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error; and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan. Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.

VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.

Peter Leh

“no … i do not …. and if i do then i should be called on it ….. so fire away ……”

if you do not have your theology 100% right then you are like me.

Amos Moses – He>i

nope .. you do not know correct theology ….. so you would fall more to the LESS than the more ……………..

Peter Leh

you , Amos … have admitted you are not 100% in your theology.

can I have some consistency please?

Amos Moses – He>i

show me where i have not been consistent ….. or do not ………… i do not care ……

Peter Leh

“Christs church …. it is the only church …. and we have already covered this ….”

which by your own argument is full of cherry pickers… like you and me

Amos Moses – He>i

nope …. like you ……

Peter Leh

“as an organization …. yes ….”
and as individuals…. as you have admitted you do not have your theology 100% correct.

Amos Moses – He>i

can i be in error …. sure …. point it out ….. has nothing to do with what we are talking about ….. there is a difference between being theologically correct all the time …. and know when it is wrong …. and knowing what the standard is …. so you really have no point …….

Peter Leh

If you can be in error… then you are like the rest of us. IN ERROR.

the rest is philosophical .

How about let us love or neighbor and trust in the providence of god?

“there is a difference between being theologically correct all the time …. and know when it is wrong”

lol… how do you know when your are wrong when you dont know if you are theologically correct?

that is my point, there is room for all. WE are all in this discussion. God is fighting for all of us.

Yet you seem to be 100% sure. But admit you can be in error.

how about grace my friend? Room for the HS to work in others rather than to condemn? Enjoy the journey rather than be a spoiler?

Glad to see the admission you and me are not that different. 🙂

Amos Moses – He>i

…. point it out ….. “How about let us love or neighbor and trust in the providence of god?” …. you do not …. you do not trust the providence of God ….. and it is demonstrated in your answers ………..

Peter Leh

slavery is not endorsed by scripture?

come on.. now who is cherry picking?

like I said.. we all do my friend

Amos Moses – He>i

nope …. giving rules for slavery is not the same as an endorsement of it …… and the slavery we know is not the use and purpose of slavery in the times of the OT ….. and no …. we do not “all do it” ……….

Peter Leh

“giving rules for slavery is not the same as an endorsement of it”

OMG…. ( to the administrator this means ” oh my goodness” as I notice you are deleting my posts.)

I am laughing so load right now.

“and the slavery we know is not the use and purpose of slavery in the times of the OT”

LOL… keep talking. everyone is reading this.

“and no …. we do not “all do it” ……..”

OK…. so you have ALL your theology 100% correct?

no error?

You ARE the Holy Spirit in the flesh…..

Are you SURE?

Peter Leh

I am still laughing…….

you mean to tell me…. that when god, having a chance to say as he is inspiring his people says ” what the hell are you doing enslaving other people?” ( administrator “hell” is a word in the bible so please do not delete this post) but does not?

I am still laughing….

“we do not “all do it” ……….”
Amos…. you, yourself have ADMITTED you do not have 100% theological accuracy.

by DEFINITION you are a cherry picker… otherwise you would indeed be 100% correct in ALL you theology.

I love this warm water .. and you are swimming right next to me. How does it feel my friend?

Amos Moses – He>i

In Exodus 21:16, it is against the law to kidnap a man and making him a slave or to even be found with him is punishable by death.

21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Anyone who used the bible to justify slavery in America only showed their ignorance of the bible and levitical slavery.

Slaves had protections. Biblical slavery is not the same as modern slavery. Exodus 21 spells out how a slave must be kept and cared for during his servitude.

not sure how you get more specific and against it than that ………. there were no welfare offices in that day … levitical slavery was more akin to welfare ….. and its duration was limited to 6 years ……… women and children left in the desert with no means of support is not the act of a merciful God …. so you are really just demonstrating your ignorance ….. FYI … most slaves SOLD THEMSELVES into slavery to pay their debts ….. hence DEBT-SLAVE …… there was no bank or HFC on the corner to get a loan from ……

Peter Leh

“Slaves had protections”

If they had protections….. then the bible did not prohibit it.

god WOULD have said… let the slave go. NOT AT JUBILEE

Can I have some consistency please?

Amos Moses – He>i

a man had a free choice to CHOOSE it …. it was against the law by death penalty to FORCE any man to slavery ………. it was a welfare system ……… it is consistent …. and it is SCRIPTURE ….. which YOU SAY you accept ….. are YOU being consistent ….

Peter Leh

the debtor is a slave to the lender…..

Amos Moses – He>i

in levitical slavery the money was paid to the slave ….. that money was for the payment of their, the slaves, debts …. their service to the “buyer” was to be the payment for that …… and it had a limit of 6 years …. at which time they were free …. At the end of six years, the master was required to give the slave enough funds to establish a new life. …… If the slave ran away it was against the law to return a slave to the master …….. There were sanctuary cities established for that purpose …..

Peter Leh

btw.. a person question that I may have asked before… and if I may… what denomination do you belong?

Amos Moses – He>i

i attend an AG church … i am not a member but attend regularly and give service to that church …. i consider myself of the reformed church ….. my worship is for the most part what i make it …. there are a number of problems i have with the AG church but i am not in any position to change it …. nor am i “elder” material …..

Peter Leh

and yes it is not the same as we have read in the history books. what of it?

Jerome Horwitz

Not. Jewish.

Strawman goes bye-bye.

Michael C

Yep.

The Constitution’s First Amendment literally prohibits the government from obeying the First Commandment.

Jerome Horwitz

[removed, responded incorrectly]

Finally, we have the only applicable response from Michael.

ZappaSaid88

The Constitution guarantees free speech and freedom of religion. The 10 commandments outlaw blasphemy and force you to worship only 1 god. They do not compliment each other.

Michael C

Yep.

The Constitution’s First Amendment literally prohibits the government from obeying the First Commandment

Peter Leh

“Do Christians want to put people into positions of power who blatantly
violate the US Constitution in order to further Christianity? Is that
what Christians want?”

Yes.

That is what the talking head in the pulpit said. And talk radio. Nevermind loving your neighbor.

Jerome Horwitz

You do not even know what you are talking about.

Please be quiet. The adults are talking.

AustinRocks

“I truly don’t understand.”

Of course you don’t. Homosexuals have zero empathy. You can’t imagine anyone thinking differently from yourselves.

Jerome Horwitz

Do Christians want to put people into positions of power who blatantly violate the US Constitution in order to further Christianity?

Oh, horsecrap. I thought you would have enough intelligence to not come in here and spew such garbage. You proved me wrong.

Michael C

Well, here we have a man who has twice used his elected authority to willfully defy the US Constitution and now it seems that many Christians want to place him back into an elected position of authority within our government.

Why don’t you explain that to me?

Why do Christians want to elect a man who has shown such willful defiance and disdain for our Constitution?

Jerome Horwitz

How did he do that exactly?

Etranger

You should learn about the topic before commenting on it. Just a friendly suggestion.

Jerome Horwitz

No, I want you to read the Constitution and understand not only what it says, but also what it doesn’t say. And I will bet you dollars to doughnuts you are making your judgement on Moore based on the latter.

Etranger

Nope. Try again.

Jerome Horwitz

Is that supposed to be a response?

Etranger

Yeah, it is about as good as you deserve. You need to educate yourself about Moore and the constitution and then attempt conversation. Your off-topic responses are typical of the ignorance these days among conservatives.

Jerome Horwitz

You say Moore violated the Constitution but when asked specifically what and how you cannot answer. Maybe that’s because in reality he represents something that you hate and that’s America itself.

Etranger

He violated the constitution by installing the 10 commandments monument and refusing to remove it. He violated the constitution by refusing to allow gay couples to get married in his state and instructed magistrates to deny them this right even after being told not to. There – a quick recap for you since you came to an article discussion board without knowledge of the topic. Kind of shameful on your part.

Jerome Horwitz

The Constitution doesn’t say he can’t. What you are hearing came from judges. Not the Constitution.

Which is why it pays to read it so you’ll know what you’re talking about.

Etranger

Constitution is clear on these issues. That is why he was removed from the bench. Twice.

Jerome Horwitz

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t know what the Constitution says, and you don’t know about the circumstances regarding his expulsion from the AL State Supreme Court.

All you know is your hatred for him, and that’s enough to keep him out of DC.

Too. Freakin. Bad.

Etranger

Every read the Supremacy Clause? it is in the constitution. Moore violated it. He was suspended without pay for instructing probate judges to deny same-sex couples marriage licenses, in contradiction to a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

“For these violations Chief Justice Moore is hereby suspended from office without pay for the remainder of his term,” stated the order from the Alabama Court of the Judiciary. “This suspension is effective immediately. Chief Justice Moore is also taxed with the costs of this proceeding.”

There are people who say it gives SCOTUS ultimate and final authority. But that’s complete nonsense, as there’s three branches of government with the ability to check and balance other branches to prevent actions of tyranny.

If you truly believe our Founding Fathers turned around and gave SCOTUS all that power, you probably failed Civics class.

The Supremacy Clause says if a state passes a law that runs afoul of federal law or the Constitution, the US government takes precedence.

Roy Moore did not do that:

1) SCOTUS is not constitutionally authorized to make law. That belongs to the Legislative Branch.

2) Obergefell is also invalid as two of the justices who were part of the majority, Ginsburg and Kagan, had conducted same-sex marriage ceremonies prior to sitting in. Federal law mandates any and all federal judges (including SCOTUS) recuse themselves from hearing cases where impartiality is shown to be impossible. They refused, even after a motion was filed.

3) Moore’s removal had more to do with the personal vendetta of a trans-activist than his actions.

Etranger

The founding fathers gave the SCOTUS final say in matters of constitutional law. So Alabama cannot decide that they will not follow that decision when their state law is unconstitutional.
1) Scotus did not “make law”.
2) Now your making shit up
3) Not at all. A lone trans-activist was not responsible for his removal. Get a clue!

Jerome Horwitz

Ron White was correct: You can’t fix stupid.

Etranger

Ah, the conservative way to end the conversation when the facts are against them. Well done.

Jerome Horwitz

No, I explained things as they are and you not only chose to ignore them, but you also included profanity.

Buh-bye.

Etranger

Profanity? Nothing is more profane than your repeated lies and ignorance. I gave you facts, you gave me your uneducated opinion.

Etranger

The founding fathers gave the SCOTUS final say in matters of constitutional law. So Alabama cannot decide that they will not follow that decision when their state law is unconstitutional.
1) Scotus did not “make law”.
2) Now your making stuff up
3) Not at all. A lone trans-activist was not responsible for his removal. Get a clue!

Jerome Horwitz

Ron White is still correct: You can’t fix stupid.

Etranger

You are definitely illustrating his point. Yes.

Jerome Horwitz

Projection doesn’t help.

Etranger

Agreed – stop it.

Jerome Horwitz

How old are you? Five?

SFBruce

Your basic argument is decisions handed down by SCOTUS are mere opinions which don’t have the weight of law. That means that Obama should have just ignored Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, and forced Hobby Lobby to cover contraception. Likewise with Columbia v. Heller. If California passes a law banning all firearms and orders their confiscation, that’s A-OK with you.

Like it or not, some part of our government has to have to last word on constitutionality, and under our system, that entity is the Supreme Court.

Jerome Horwitz

Your basic argument is decisions handed down by SCOTUS are mere opinions which don’t have the weight of law.

Ding! Ding! Ding! The job of SCOTUS is to interpret the Constitution, not create law.

If California passes a law banning all firearms and orders their confiscation, that’s A-OK with you.

Don’t put words in my mouth.

Such an action would be a blatant violation of the 2nd Amendment. The Department of Justice would be obligated to take legal action against the state for that reason.

Etranger

The job of the SCOTUS is to interpret the constitutionality of some laws. They do not create law. That is what they have done all along; sometimes many people don’t like it.

SFBruce

It certainly sounds like you like Heller. And you should, since before that decision was handed down, legal scholars disagreed on the extent to which the Second Amendment guarantees personal firearm use. Before that, there had been no final opinion from federal courts on this matter. No, SCOTUS didn’t create law in the way legislatures create law, but the Heller decision, like all SCOTUS decisions, is now part of current case law, and it’s established a precedent all other courts are bound to honor.

You’ve made it clear you don’t like Obergefell. Again, SCOTUS didn’t create law the way legsilatures do. They looked at laws and state constitutions that prohibited same sex marriage, and determined such provisions violate the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection under the law. As a result, those laws and state constitutional provisions were stricken down.

We’re both entitled to our respective opinions about Heller and Obergefell; you don’t like Obergefell and I don’t like Heller. But we both have to live with them.

Sir Osis

Why do YOU think he was removed from the bench twice? Because Libruls?

Sir Osis

Why don’t you use the name Jason Todd anymore? Were you banned?

Michael C

How did he do that exactly?

…by blatantly defying Article Three of the Constitution.

Jerome Horwitz

What part and how?

Michael C

Moore’s defiance of the Constitution is well documented and, quite honestly, doesn’t require me to defend it to you.

If you’d like to attempt to propose an argument defending the notion that his actions weren’t in defiance of the Constitution, have at it. I’ll gladly read whatever you choose to write but I’m probably done responding you to you on this thread. It’s beginning to appear that you’re just in this for the attention.

Jerome Horwitz

It’s because you have nothing but hate. Too bad.

Sir Osis

Obnoxious thing to say. Your mother never slapped your face enough when you were a brat.

Reason2012

He won’t tell you – he just makes the claim because the liberal talking heads said it, but of course when pressed on it, he can’t in any way show any such thing.

Michael C

According to the Constitution, what court maintains the highest authority in disputes relating to federal law and the Constitution?

Do you know?

Reason2012

Stay on topic, Michael: What part of the Constitution did Roy violate and how?

Michael C

Stay on topic, Michael: What part of the Constitution did Roy violate and how?

You’ve accused me of evasion. Now I’m trying to help you understand how Moore violated the Constitution and you’re deflecting my questions to you. Do you not know the answer to my question?

According to the Constitution, what court maintains the highest authority in disputes relating to federal law and the Constitution?

NCOriolesFan

Come on everyone and join the C-E-L-E-B-R-A-T-I-O-N. Praise God. Alleluia. Moore graduates twice booted to the Senate. Now beat the donkeyrcrat and immediately get on the Judiciary Committee for SCOTUS nominees. Conservatives will then control SCOTUS almost forever.

Peter Leh

yeee haaa

and the South will rise again!

NCOriolesFan

Cheers!

Peter Leh

“Former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, also known as the “Ten
Commandments Judge,” has won the state primary runoff for the U.S.
Senate, significantly defeating his opponent Luther Strange despite
President Trump’s endorsement of Strange.”

I have jettisoned politics and find it so freeing. Hopefully this is a referendum on Trump.

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Steadily, little by little, the US is creeping toward a far right Christian theocracy. It will be just like sharia based on the bible

Peter Leh

Like Jim Crow.

That was our Sharia Law

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Jim Crow refers to discrimination against African Americans I believe. Not being American I am a bit hazy. I just look on in wonder and some fear at the doings of our southern neighbour.

Peter Leh

It all ties in. You think these leaders supporting Jim Crow were athiets?

naw… they were like Roy Moore, a southern white conservative evangelical .

Peter Leh

Hopefully the pendulum is swinging the other way long enough for this generation to die off…. cuz they ain’t changing their mind with people in the american pulpit and talk radio.

Jerome Horwitz

Excuse me?

NCOriolesFan

Christianity and sharia have absolutely nothing to do with each other, Get educated on the religious differences between them.

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Fundamentalist, right wing Christians are against same sex marriage, homosexuality, (they tend to believe that “sodomy” should be an indictable offence), abortion, many forms of contraception if not all. They believe that the law of the Bible should take precedence over constitutional law, that women should dress modestly and be subservient to their fathers and husbands.

All this is very similar to sharia.

NCOriolesFan

Ok, you proved Christianity now prove the Sharia.

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Why should I? I a merely saying that right wing fundamental Christianity looks a lot like fundamental Islam, or any other fundamentalist sect for that matter.

NCOriolesFan

I want you to PROVE the similarities. You said it now prove it.

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Want on!

NCOriolesFan

Ok loser.
Thanks for the compliment on Christianity, except you can’t prove sharia.

Jerome Horwitz

Because this freakin’ clown won’t because his hatred isn’t toward a “religion” that would seemingly allow the killing of two girls for dating white boys, oh, no! It’s all about his hatred of Christianity. Period.

Jerome Horwitz

False. Christians believe sex should occur within the confines of marriage, but do not condemn the use of contraception as it is never even referred to, implicitly or explicitly, within the pages of the Bible.

that women should dress modestly and be subservient to their fathers and husbands.

1) ALL children are to be subservient to both of their parents (The Ten Commandments!).

2) Men are to love their wives as they love the church.

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The RCC is firmly against contraception as I am sure you are aware. Many Protestant
denominations are against contraception which they say causes abortion. My kids, thank dog, were never subservient to me.

Jerome Horwitz

Irrelevant.

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you say that Christians are not against contraception. How is it irrelevant that the largest denomination is firmly against it, thus making your statement false

Jerome Horwitz

What denomination?

Sir Osis

He just told you. The RCC.

AustinRocks

This clown doesn’t even know the difference between Christianity and Islam. He’s hopeless.

ZappaSaid88

Frank Zappa said that exact same thing on Crossfire in 1988.

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I did say, little by little.

ZappaSaid88

You were both correct. Happened under Reagan/Bush, Bush II and now under Trump.

AustinRocks

What a drama queen.

If you hate Christians so much, head for one of those atheist utopias like Cuba or North Korea.

If you need help packing, just holler.

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I don’t hate Christians and already live in Utopia, aka, Canada.

Jerome Horwitz

I don’t hate Christians

a far right Christian theocracy. It will be just like sharia based on the bible.

This passage alone makes you a liar.

You know what I am sick and tired of? Bigoted imbeciles who, never mind they think stupidly that socialism creates a utopia (the people of Venezuela may want a word after they are finished eating their pets), believe if anyone so much as mentions Christianity, the Bible or God, there’s gonna be a theocracy.

Don’t you worry about our country. Worry about your own, where parents can have their children taken from them for not wishing to entertain the juvenile fantasies of little kids that may say so much as once they may wonder what it’s like to be a member of the opposite sex. And if you think that’s okay and acceptable, then you need to board the Crazy Train and take it the blue blazes out of here and don’t ever come back.

This style 10/6

I have been happily married to practicing Christian for many years. What I don’t like is religion inserting itself into politics and trying to make us all live by their dogma.

There are many socialist democracies which work very well. I have heard many Americans call Canada socialist, communist even. Tell you one thing, no one is going to go bankrupt because they get sick.

I haven’t the faintest idea what your last paragraph rant is about but at least we have a gentleman as PM. You have a dangerous, loud mouthed, ignorant bully as President. Let’s hope he doesn’t start WW III

Jerome Horwitz

I have been happily married to practicing Christian for many years.

I do not believe you.

There are many socialist democracies which work very well.

BS. Go ahead and name one.

I haven’t the faintest idea what your last paragraph rant is about

If you live in Ontario, yes you do. If you don’t live in that province, Google it.

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So you call me a liar. That’s it!

Jerome Horwitz

Yes. I do. You expect me to believe you are happily married to a woman that would be tolerant of you attacking her beliefs you way you do?

Uh, no. I call BS.

HpO

I never believed it being said that way, coming from atheists. Trump into “Christian theocracy”? No way, I told them. His Evangelical sidekicks into it? Nope, just holy parasites, is all. But now, with this guy, Roy Moore? Oh-oh. This one is a possibility. For the same reason I hoped Trump as the Lesser Evil Personified defeat Hillary, I pray the Dems’ guy for the Senate seat as the Lesser Evil Personified would squash Moore.

This style 10/6

That Moore guy is something else!

Etranger

How would this guy be able to be sworn in as Senator? A Senator needs to take an oath to uphold the constitution. He has been shown to be anti-constitution.

Jerome Horwitz

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Etranger

Unfortunately it actually isn’t funny.

Jerome Horwitz

Actually upholding the Constitution means upholding what it actually says. If you cannot make that distinction then you need to be removed from this conversation.

Etranger

You are exactly right. He has not done that.

Jerome Horwitz

That’s cute. But I did not use the word, “He.” I used, “You.” As in you are removed from this discussion.

Etranger

I didn’t realize this was a conversation. Your first response was stupid childish antics. Your second was a command that made no sense. I understand the constitution. Moore didn’t follow it (twice!). No need for ME to leave the discussion board. I have facts on my side. You have…who knows…stupidity? Willful ignorance?

james blue

Indeed, he believes the 1st amendment only applies to Christians, Counter to the constitutions — what it actually says 😉 — he rejects “no religious test”. He thinks Christian dogma overrules the constitution.

The greatest danger the first amendment faces is religious fanatics who think only their faith should be allowed.

james blue

A man who stands against liberty, including freedom of religion….Oh goody

Jerome Horwitz

As I said to Peter, the adults are talking. Take a seat.

james blue

Oh look the troll is online.

Jerome Horwitz

This is a Christian website. Which means it doesn’t exist for people who hate Christians, Christianity, etc. The fact you willingly come here to condemn us and then call us trolls for not putting up with it says much more about you than it does about me.

Take. A. Seat.

james blue

My comment history, unlike yours, is open to public view. Feel free to link to any comment I’ve made suggesting I hate Christianity or Christians.

If I’ve ever said anything negative about you, your faith had zero to do with it. It would have been entirely about you.

Now, if you can grow up and stop trolling I will gladly converse with you explaining my comment on Mr Moore

Jerome Horwitz

My comment history, unlike yours, is open to public view.

Exactly. Which is not a good thing, because all it does it prove my point.

Etranger

This from the guy who responded to a comment with: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I think we know who the real adults are…

Jerome Horwitz

Yes. Gotta problem with that?

Etranger

Nah, you can respond as you like. Just don’t pretend you are adult about it. LOL

parquet

Stand tall, man.

Sir Osis

This maniac was on a stage waving a gun around the day before he was elected. That isn’t the kind of behaviour I would want from a responsible elected official.

The General

Relocate.

Gena B

He pushes God…okay, but if he plans to be in the Senate, the guy really needs to get some education. He didn’t even know what DACA is, and believes that in Illinois or Indiana, (He isn’t sure which) has people under Sharia laws…but can’t confirm where exactly, “Just up over there somewhere.” A little frightening that this guy is possibly going to be voting on important issues that will effect us all.

The General

If the Big Bad Christians frighten you so much, move to Saudi Arabia – Christianity is illegal there. Or try the atheist utopias like Cuba or North Korea.

Horrible for you to live in a nation where some people don’t vote the way you do. Shame on those nasty people in Alabama for exercising their right to vote.

Etranger

Interesting comment – but has nothing to do with Gena B’s comment.

Gena B

Actually I am a Christian, and concerned when someone regardless of being a Christian or not is so uneducated in the area of basic national current events. If he is making a move into the senate it would be welcomed news to see this guy do a little research about what is actually going on in the world. How can he be for or against the topic if he doesn’t even care to pick up a newspaper. I guess that type of a political figure doesn’t bother folks from Alabama…pretty much like the Republicans voting uneducated people in as long as it supports their agendas.

HpO

“Moore … known as the ‘Ten Commandments Judge'” is a good thing to you, sister Heather Clark? Not to God & Jesus, it isn’t. Because:

Instead of the gospel of salvation from the ransoming Fatherly love of God through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of His own beloved Son, Christ Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, brother Senator-wannabe Roy Moore is using the Mosaic law and its Ten Commandments as the legalistic means for America:

(1) to “recognize the sovereignty of God … over the affairs of men”;

(2) to acknowledge “the source from which all morality springs”;

(3) to establish the “moral foundation” of U.S. law; and

(4) to receive “the favor and guidance of almighty God”.

Evangelize America, I say. But do not – I repeat and rebuke – do not Judaize America, which is what you’re trying to. Bad, bad, very bad idea, brother Senator-wannabe Roy Moore!

(Source: Roy Moore, in “Glassroth v. Moore”, United States District Court for the Middle District of Alabama, since October 15, 2002.)

Jerome Horwitz

1) Jesus did say He was fulfilling Mosaic law, but then He reiterated the Ten Commandments along with another: Love thy neighbor as thyself.

2) This is a First Amendment issue.

HpO

Yes to 2). To Moore’s tactics etc. – “to this, the Establishment Clause says no”, as per U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson’s ruling on November 18, 2002. Say again: “The monument … violates the Establishment Clause” in the Constitution of the United States of America, according to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals on June 4, 2003, which did have the final say on this matter.

But no to 1). Jesus “reiterated” 10 Commandments and so Moore did as well? No. Jesus fulfilled all the requirements for doing all 10 which nobody could possibly do. Since then all that God requires of is do His will through the Fulfiller of the Law. Love as Jesus loved in every situation and demand in life. Not redo the 10 Commandments all over again. But obey God through Jesus. Moore didn’t and still doesn’t have that in his dark legalistic mind nor in his dark legalistic heart. Somebody better re-Sunday School the guy in the Epistle to Galatians! Before he loses the Senatorial race to the Dems what’s-his-name.

Jerome Horwitz

*sigh*

Why can’t Disqus create a stupid filter? It would keep people like you, who have never read the Constitution or the Bible, out of websites like this.

It would also create a virtual echo chamber, not that I have a problem with that.

HpO

The opposite of the S-word would characterize your testimony below from “3 days ago”, then, brother Jerome Horwitz?

“Real Christians read the Bible and understand what it says. You won’t see one [but] at First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN.”?!

Yet, and yet:

“The First Baptist Church of Hammond … was under Jack Hyles’ leadership from 1959–2001 … In 1989, the paper The Biblical Evangelist published a story ‘The Saddest Story We Ever Published’, accusing Jack Hyles of sexual scandals, financial misappropriation and doctrinal errors.” (Source: “The Saddest Story We Ever Published”. The Biblical Evangelist, 1989.) “In 1993, WJBK aired Preying from the Pulpit, a news series, examined ‘allegations of child molesting, abuse and sex scandals in several churches across the nation appear to be part of a pattern of such scandals among churches affiliated with the First Baptist Church of Hammond.'” (Source: “Detroit station probes abuse, church link”, The Times of Northwest Indiana, May 17, 1993.) “In 1997, Hyles and the First Baptist Church of Hammond were sued … The ‘civil suit filed in Lake Superior Court in Gary claims the Chicago woman was “induced by agents” of the church in 1991 to ride a bus to attend Sunday.’ The women and church settled the lawsuit for an undisclosed sum.” (Source: Debra Gruszecki, “Suit claims rape at church”, Northwest Indiana Times, October 4, 1997. And Bryan Smith, Bryan, “Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church”, Chicago Magazine, January 2013.) “After Hyles’ death in 2001, Jack Schaap, Hyles’ son-in-law, succeeded as pastor. But “on July 31, 2012 Schaap was fired ‘due to a sin that has caused him to forfeit his right to be our pastor’. Schaap reportedly admitted to deacons of the church that he had an adulterous affair with the young woman, who was 16 years old at the time … and pleaded guilty.” Source: “Hammond Pastor Dismissed For ‘Improper Relationship With Young Woman'”, CBS Chicago/WBBM Newsradio, July 31, 2012. And Carole Carlson, “Pastor of Hammond mega church fired for ‘sin'”. Chicago Sun-Times, August 3, 2012. And Lisa Black, “Hammond church on fired pastor: ‘We trusted that man'”, Chicago Tribune, August 3, 2012. And Mary Wisniewski and Cynthia Johnston, “Ex-pastor of Indiana church investigated for sex with teen”, Reuters, August 2, 2012. And “Former Indiana pastor charged, signs federal plea deal in relationship with teen”, Chicago Tribune, August 1, 2012. “Jack Schaap Confesses To Sexual Relationship With Teen After Firing From Megachurch”, The Huffington Post, August 2, 2012. And “Oh, Mann! Pastor says he was unaware of curious law”, Chicago Tribune, August 27, 2012.) “In March 2013, Schaap was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for having sex with an underage girl.” (Source: Bryan Smith, “Jack Schaap Will Serve 12 Years for Sex with a Minor”. Chicago Magazine, March 20, 2013.)

AW SNAP!

Jerome Horwitz

The allegations against Hyles were just that. Allegations. And Schaap was kicked out as pastor before he went to jail. Does it in any way reflect the church? Absolutely not. I have attended that church in the past, and it is exactly as I described it.

AW SNAP! YOU FAILED!

HpO

Over at Breakpoint (dot org) they discussed those dual kingdom of God founded on Martin Luther, in commemoration of the Reformation Anniversary. I commented there if you’re interested. Against brother Martin Luther.

Roy Moore is heads and shoulders better than most. If only he were truly conservative.* If only he were truly the Ten Commandment Judge.

But, if elected, he’ll prove otherwise at his swearing in, when he lays his hand on a Bible and swears to uphold the biblically seditious Constitution as the supreme law of land.

For evidence, see free online book “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective, in which every Article and Amendment is examined by the Bible. Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and click on the top entry.

Then find out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of the 85-page “Primer” of the 565-page “BL vs. USC.”

* See our blog article “Right, Left, and Center: Who Gets to Decide?”

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