Men's Rights Activists respond to the Elliot Rodger murders with a hearty "Nothing to see here! Move along!"

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If anyone was hoping – against their better judgement – that Men’s Rights activists would be inspired by the tragedy in Isla Vista to reconsider any of their beliefs, or even to reflect for a moment on the many striking similarities between passages in Elliot Rodger’s book-length manifesto and comments posted every day by MRAs and others in the manosphere, well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you should not keep that hope alive.

It’s not that they’re not talking about the tragedy. A look through the top 100 posts in the Men’s Rights subreddit, the largest Men’s Rights forum online, reveals that roughly a third of them, including the top stickied post, relate in some way to Elliot Rodger’s rampage and the discussions that have come up online and in the media in its aftermath.

But the message of virtually all of these posts is: “Nothing to see here! Move along!” There are numerous posts expressing outrage that anyone would see any connection between Rodger’s toxic misogyny to the Men’s Rights movement; there are others mocking and attacking the #YesAllWomen hashtag; there’s even one suggesting that Rodger, who wrote about how he longed to watch all the women of the world starve to death in concentration camps, wasn’t actually a misogynist at all.

Sorry to break it to you, fella, but that’s not how defamation suits work. If it were, all of us who call ourselves feminists would be collecting millions of dollars from the Men’s Rights subreddit for all the patently untrue things you guys say about us every day of every week.

Still others make sure that everyone knows that Rodger hated men too – not that this has actually gone unnoticed in the media or in discussions of the tragedy.

And then there’s this fellow, who seems to think that Rodger only hated men, and that his big problem with women was that he loved them too much:

There are, it’s true, two posts that raise the issue of what might be done to prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future. One of them takes on the issue of “virgin shaming.” (Sure, I’m against that, and against slut shaming too. Odd that roughly 100% of the virgin shaming I’ve ever heard in my life has come from MRAs and other non-fans of this blog, even though — sorry to break it to you fellows — I’ve not been a virgin since the early Reagan administration.)

Meanwhile, the other “positive” suggestion — the stickied top post, submitted by one of the forum’s moderators — is pretty transparently intended as a PR move – and an excuse to bash feminists.

Yep, “creep shaming.” That’s the problem! Way to cut through all the bullshit and get to the heart of the matter! The problem isn’t that some men — well, a lot of men — think and act in predatory and entitled ways towards women. The problem is that sometimes when they do, women call them “creeps.”

The problem isn’t that the world’s creepiest and most entitled man just killed 6 innocent people, the problem is “creep shaming.”

After killing his roommates and a friend of theirs, Rodger attempted to get inside a sorority so he could massacre the women inside it. But he couldn’t get anyone to let him in. Probably because, well, whoever was nearest the door thought he looked a bit, well, creepy.

“Creep-shaming” isn’t some insidious form of discrimination against awkward men. It’s a defense mechanism that women develop to protect them against predatory men. And in the case of the Isla Vista murders, I’m guessing that the willingness of women to go with their gut sense that Rodger was a creep literally saved lives.

But the mods of the Men’s Rights subreddit would rather moan about “creep shaming.” They would prefer that women lower their defenses against men like Elliot Rodger — because it hurts their feelings to sometimes get called a “creep.”

Guys, this is why people think Elliot Rodger was an MRA.

EDIT: I added more to the conclusion because I had more to say about creep shaming.

My solution to prevent these types lf shooting is to encourage men like Rodgers, Powell, and Sodini to stop worrying about if women like them.

Instead of attacking these men like Elliot, we need to reach out to them and tell them the joys of self acceptance, indifference, and no giving a damn about women who do not want them.

MRM is a joke. I have read their BS and watched their videos. They complain and bitch, but they never get any done. If they wanted their goals met about child support, changing laws that allow women to lie on men in court, and etc, they would have done so buy now.

It is pretty easy to get a law on the books that forces judges to punish anyone who lies in court. MRM can’t even get that shit done.

“While your at it, also prove that our concern for the victims is fake.”

And I’m not Erin! Or Davis! I said it because Davis said our concern for the victims were fake, and I wanted him to prove it (along with proving that we’re just all male-bashers), because he seems to like just throwing out non-sequiturs and not answering anything.

…sorry. I can’t have a cat so I overreact to cute cat things. I love my doggie, but he can’t put himself into small spaces. Sometimes he forgets he isn’t a puppy anymore (he’s four, you’d think he’d figure it out by now) and jumps on me all HI I LOVE YOU. That hurts my chest a lot.

I’m making cupcakes tomorrow. Doggie-dog will get some cream cheese icing for a treat. Mmm.

@Sparky. When it comes to women lying in court in order to get a restraining on a guy, the woman is rarely punished for it. A woman can nail a guy for child support without proof. When it is discovered that she lied, she does not get punished.

“My solution to prevent these types lf shooting is to encourage men like Rodgers, Powell, and Sodini to stop worrying about if women like them.”

Yes, had unhealthy ideas about women — they were being forced to worry about women by sexist insititutions that said it didn’t matter if you respect women, just as long as you fuck enough of them. Misogynistic sources told them if you didn’t have a living fuck doll your friends were envious of, how could you feel validated as a man?
Davis/troll, you’re trying to word this stuff in such a way that it seems like women are causing this behavior. Rodgers, Powell and Sodini — women were smart enough to stay the fuck away from them. Read the online journals, this is true. Know what? They hurt people anyway. Sexism and gender essentialism was their enemy. Well, also self-entitlement and other toxic tropes shoved down their throats by PUAs and a culture that dictates what “real men” should and should not do. So why stay here and bother a movement that challenges traditional gender roles?

The Sodini case always freaks me out. There were so many commentors on all kinds of sites posting shit like, “Well, I feel the same way he does.” And “Better pay attention, ladies. Put out of die.”

Eeeesh.

I’d like these type of guys to forget women and take up hobbies instead. Sadly, they can’t stop wishing a woman would validate them and solve all their issues.

Davis, the ‘solution’ you propose – of men ignoring women completely – is the exact opposite of a real solution. The real solution is “all men treat women as worthwhile human beings with agency, their own desires, strengths and flaws “, whereas yours is “treat them even more like an evil monolith than currently”. You see the difference? How yours isn’t a solution to anything. No, of course you don’t. You won’t see how my solution benefits you personally so you don’t care.

Upon which, troll proves he doesn’t read up on custody/alimony trials:

“When it comes to women lying in court in order to get a restraining on a guy, the woman is rarely punished for it. A woman can nail a guy for child support without proof. When it is discovered that she lied, she does not get punished.

Laws are on the books, but they are not enforced.”

Women lie about wanting protection. Men who father children get nailed for alimony when it’s not there kids?

You fucking made that up. There’s not an alimony case in the world that doesn’t introduce blood/DNA testing when necessary. How could a woman get a protection order without testimony from police?

I said repeatedly that you shouldn’t hang with women if you don’t want to. It’s on record. Can’t you fucking read?! You weird-ass fantasies of denying women the pleasure of your company are messing with your reading skills, I guess.

And, once again, why are you trolling us if you feel we don’t like you? Get out, already.
Could it be that you’re a stalker? Yes, you are.

Wow. Really? I wish someone had told me that before my infant daughter had to undergo a court-ordered blood test. Twice, since my ex d*cked around so long dodging the courts her sample was no longer good. But I guess you know more about this than I do. And more than the two lawyers involved. And the judge.

Davis, I am having the same problem with you I have with all MRAs. You say something like, “Instead of attacking these men like Elliot, we need to reach out to them and tell them the joys of self acceptance, indifference, and no giving a damn about women who do not want them.” And I almost agree. These men did horrible things, but maybe if someone had gotten through to them earlier, then things might have gone differently. I might not agree with you totally, but I can see where you are coming from.

And yeah, I know what it is to be rejected. I know what it feels like to be convinced I will never be loved. I chose to sink into self-pity for a while, then give it another try. You chose to swear off trying. Both viable options. I might not like the way you talk about your choices, but whatever. The list of things I don’t like is long and dull. I don’t need to like the way everyone talks.

So far, so good. You should have just stopped talking

But then … and there’s always a “but then…” But then you went on to talk about women lying about rape and cheating men out of child support and bashing men and hating men who are “socially awkward” (whatever that means) and I swear I can see the cheat sheet you all read from. Even the wording and phasing is the same. You guys don’t even have the imagination or initiative to put things in your own words. It’s like you are legally obligated to all use the same script.

“However, unless we hear of a diagnoses of a pathological disorder, can you keep away from mentally disturbed. ”

Why shy away from mentally disturbed? We don’t need to be medical doctors to know that someone vomiting blood has a condition that requires immediate medical attention, and we don’t need to be psychologists or psychiatrists to know that someone who drives around randomly shooting at innocent people is mentally disturbed. People who are not mentally disturbed just don’t do that.

You can request a Restraining Order against a person who hurt or threatened you, or other family members, by appearing at the Superior Court located nearest to you. A Restraining Order may be requested whether or not an arrest has been made or the police have been called. A Domestic Violence Restraining Order is always free. In many courts, free legal assistance is available or you can represent yourself.

My solution prevents death. Men like Rodgers Sodini and Powell are a small minority. If they ignore women and focus on their own lives no one will notice.

Well, if the men in question avoid women as well as you seem to be doing at the moment, I don’t think it’ll help any. No one here likes you, yet you’re still here. Are you doing the ‘Oh goody they’re paying attention to me I feel validated and like I am the best man to ever be a man?’ thing. ‘Cause that’s pretty childish.

And what, should racists/homophobes/whatever other kind of bigots shut out all of those people? I mean, I doubt anyone that they hate wants to hang out with them, and there’s no way of forcing them to interact socially, but it’s illegal to refuse to buy/sell/rent property etc to someone on the basis of not liking them. What would be the defense be? ‘Oh, I don’t want to get too angry and shoot any black people, so I don’t let them live around me or sell stuff to them.’ Pfft. Yeah. Great solution.

The only ways to carry out your ‘solution’ is for those men to move to or create a place where there were no women or where all the women were locked up away from them. Oh, what’s that you say? Rodger though locking up all the women and letting them die was a good idea? I guess he did agree with your solution. Wanting women to not exist does not lead to women living long and happy lives.

Yeah. One of our stupidest trolls. No reading comprehension. Bad with words. Repeats himself endlessly. Lies about his background. Short temper. calls women gendered slurs. No understanding of history, law or sociology. It’s too boring now.

My friend whose partner tried to strangle her had to pay for a lawyer in order to go to court to get a Restraining Order. The fact that her throat was still visibly bruised and her speech was affected didn’t actually make any difference to the judge, who admitted he was leaning towards not issuing the RO until the (male) police officer who witnessed the aftermath of the attack testified on her behalf.

You can request a Restraining Order against a person who hurt or threatened you, or other family members, by appearing at the Superior Court located nearest to you. A Restraining Order may be requested whether or not an arrest has been made or the police have been called. A Domestic Violence Restraining Order is always free. In many courts, free legal assistance is available or you can represent yourself.

I can’t think of chia seeds without hearing ‘Ch-che-che-chia!’ Damn Chia Pet commercials.Can you taste them in yogurt?

Everyday, this song runs through my head, lol. It’s worth the price.

The chia doesn’t have much of a taste. I soak it for 10 minutes, so it absorbs the water and gets gel-like, and mix it in. The texture is a lot like raspberry seeds, which would probably bother me, but I also add a really great granola to it, and the crunch covers it up.

One day I forgot I hadn’t bought more yogurt, and I’d already soaked the chia, so I tried it out plain. Very weird, but no real flavour, so I ate it anyway, lol.

@Davis. That’s all you got? You can’t counter anyone’s point, so you resort to name calling. You’re either really dedicated (in which case, it’s just stupid now, you can stop) or you’re…well, I don’t say this easily, but…yeah. Jerk. Loser. Creep.

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