Well if she had just been packing an M-4 or P90 then this whole tragedy could have been avoided. All she would have had to do is put a three round burst right into the guys eye and nobody else would have had to have gotten killed.

I had just returned home from WLC training, which is what you have to take in the Army when you make sergeant. So we'd spent a little over a week straight in the woods, doing squad level scenarios - convoy hit by IED, flanking maneuvers, tactical patrol, room clearing, suppressive fire while waiting for air support, on and on and on. Most of the class was on the short list for either Iraq or Afghanistan, so the instructors took it very seriously.

Was in Best Buy the weekend following, and tried out Call of Duty on Xbox/PS3/whatever, since no one was on and the store was almost empty. Within 2 minutes I had a couple of teenagers behind me screaming things like "YOU CAN'T JUST FIRE FROM BEHIND THE CONCRETE BUNKER!! RUN OUT IN THE OPEN AND ZIGZAG SO THEY CAN'T HIT YOU!!"

While making a casual exit, I could hear them discussing how 99% of the public wouldn't know how to survive a real firefight. They were entirely serious.

The comment was more towards mall ninjas, airsoft, and CoD players who think their hot shiat because they can go get a real gun, aim straight, and then qualify for a CCW. Then, assume they will be kicking ass and taking names.

BTW... I've shot guns since I was 5. My Dad was a SWAT member.People don't know shiat about what it takes to handle a real situation with real people and real pullets.Unless you have had significant tactical training, your best bet is to either run like hell or, failing that opportunity, play dead. A CCW WILL NOT help most people. And that is not an "anti-gun' statement.

TheSteamingPile:Kazrath: BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

Sorry, but I watched the whole video and that testing was VERY flawed.

#1 The student always sat in the same place for each test#2 The "Gunman" did exactly the same thing in each scenario. Walk out, shoot the instructor. Turn, fire at the student sitting in step one location.

If the test was more randomized the results would have been quite a bit different.

I am not arguing one main point made in the video. Training for those circumstances will make you react better. There is no doubt about that. I am just complaining about the flawed test being used to "Drive home a point" when the test was geared for failure. I suspect it could have been a trained, active, navy seal and the results would have been the same due to the "script" the gunman was able to play.

Yep, you took the words right off of my fingertips. How many times, in a real world scenario, is a 'bad guy' going to know who the only person in the room with a concealed weapon is AND exactly where they are sitting. Hardly scientific, but then again, the anti-gun lobby will do anything to restrict the rights and freedoms of others.

Also, don't forget, this woman's 'boyfriend' would have had to called the killers sexuality into question at least a dozen times.

I don't want you to misunderstand me here.

If this scenario was run properly:

* Gunman was told he is doing a social experiment on how a classroom reacts to a gunman opening fire. He is given 2 magazines and told to kill as many people as he can w/o leaving the class room. Run this one time before introducing a CHL.

* CHL is doing a (CHL training / gun training) class. Is the only one in the classroom provided a firearm and is told to not let anyone know he has the weapon.

Start scenario:

If the scenario was run 3-5 times with a single CHL. Then run 3-5 times with 3 - 4 CHL in the classroom and they used a different gunman every time the scenario would at least be accurate. The CHL would not realize the gunman would show up. The gunman would not know there were CHL in the classroom.

If the results ended up being very negative overall then I would agree that having CHL in a classroom is a bad idea. However, if having 3-4 CHL provided significantly better results than 0 or 1 I would be completely for CHL on campus. And if the results were very mixed then "Your best judgement" for the colleges is fine.

They interviewed the guy from teh Excalibur shop on the radio. Instead of going all Highlander he hid on the ground in the back. Either that or dual wielding axes would have been awesome. Can you imagine the guy thinking.. "now is my time!".

Insatiable Jesus:DaCaptain19: Marcus Aurelius: If he was really on top of things, he would have noticed the shooter was firing an AR-15, and then simply waited for the thing to jam.

You must have a really cheap AR-15. My Colt H-Bar Match Competition AR-15 never has jammed on me once. And I shoot it a LOT. Of course I also clean and oil my guns - you know - maintenance? That helps as well.

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Mags seem to have more to do with jams than the gun itself, in my experience. My pre-ban 30 rd mags have NEVER caused a jam for me, being the real deal. But I've got some cheap 10rd mags that can be counted upon to jam at least once in an afternoon. Granted, this is 7.62 and a real AK I usually shoot, but my Valmet in .223 has never jammed on me with the factory 30rd mags. Cheap ammo might also be a factor?

She should be kicked in the coont until dead. F*cking U.S. is so SO stupid.

I say that as a gun owner. If you own a pistol and you're not shooting 100 rounds or more per month at the range? Just f*cking melt the damn gun down. You clearly cannot be a responsible owner if you have no idea or training or don't continue to practice on how to actually hit your target.

For a country that has guns as part of its culture (U.S.) it is sad that 99.9999999% of our people are totally ignorant and/or plain retarded when it comes to using/owning guns. "OOooooo - 3 people died!" Do you know how many f*ckers died that very day from smoking-related illnesses?

vegasj:BHShaman: Let's check in and see in this simulation how well that CoD and the Airsoft folks do with real firearms (shooting real ammo tipped with paint blotters) and in a simulation based on recent events....

Pops

dude, you posted a link to a video by ABC for one... and that has 1,630 thumbs up yet 19,557 thumbs down. Can't find a better anti-gun source?

I played a lot of Quake 2, Clan Arena. So I know everything there is to know about shooting an explosive at your feet and jumping at the same time it explodes, so that I can propel myself at nearly the speed of sound through hallways full of sharp corners. The key is bunny hopping.

Insatiable Jesus:I can see where having played those types of games might make one better suited than the average person to getting out of a hairy situation involving gunfire. Even in an FPS game cover and concealment are critical. An instinctive understanding of the fact that reload cycle takes time might save somebody's life. Maybe you see the mass shooter drop his AR and pull out a pistol at 50 yards and know that he probably doesn't have a chance in hell of hitting you and you take that moment to run. Or knowing that checking behind you is key.

Not saying it makes anybody an expert at small arms combat, only that some things might be learned that otherwise you would be ignorant of.