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Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

Wow, this is going to be an interesting chapter.
I thought that Illah was one entity all along, instead in this chapter it is said that there are many "Illah"....
Anyway it was pretty predictable that David was behind the corruption of the magoi.
I want to read this chapter already!

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

its obviously related to that big white thing that had all the arms coming off of it (that looked just like the black version that descended from the "dark spot")

is the origin dragon related to the divine staves?

We still need a good translation, but apparently he's a being that existed long before Illa gave magic to humans, and before the other species even existed.So my guess is that Illa took an already existing world and build it, with humans and the other species, while the rift stayed in an unfinished state. The white thing with arms is Illa, and when he became a black god it's called Ill Illa. Ill Illa is what happens to Illa when all his magoi is depleted, and is about to die.They're one and the same.

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

So Illa gave humans a power that had the potential to suck him dry if misused? And his loss of magoi would lead to the death of the whole world? Is there no end to the absolute insanity that is Illa. David may be doing some crazy deicidal scheming, but this is all courtesy of Illa's continued naivete in believing that not a single thing would ever go wrong in this powder keg of a world he created.

I'm a bit confused about one thing though, and that's whether there's one Illa that is able to gaze upon all worlds for a brief (in god perspective) length of time in which the end of that gazing simply leads to the death of that single world and the peep-hole, or if for some reason Illa is running dry altogether. It's really making me wonder what black ruhk really is now, because the way the medium and Il Illa wield it displays a power to take away ruhk implying that both entities are in a desperate state to take it. Regular humans who have fallen into depravity though simply seem like they wield black ruhk as simply a state of being different from everyone else. If you live with white ruhk, does that simply mean you are following the limits and regulations set forth by god while as a fallen being you simply take without giving and become nothing but a leech basically accelerating what in real life we call entropy?

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by obamamania

So Illa gave humans a power that had the potential to suck him dry if misused? And his loss of magoi would lead to the death of the whole world? Is there no end to the absolute insanity that is Illa. David may be doing some crazy deicidal scheming, but this is all courtesy of Illa's continued naivete in believing that not a single thing would ever go wrong in this powder keg of a world he created.

I'm a bit confused about one thing though, and that's whether there's one Illa that is able to gaze upon all worlds for a brief (in god perspective) length of time in which the end of that gazing simply leads to the death of that single world and the peep-hole, or if for some reason Illa is running dry altogether. It's really making me wonder what black ruhk really is now, because the way the medium and Il Illa wield it displays a power to take away ruhk implying that both entities are in a desperate state to take it. Regular humans who have fallen into depravity though simply seem like they wield black ruhk as simply a state of being different from everyone else. If you live with white ruhk, does that simply mean you are following the limits and regulations set forth by god while as a fallen being you simply take without giving and become nothing but a leech basically accelerating what in real life we call entropy?

I don't recall rukh being mentioned in this arc, not even once.That's really odd because of how important it is when we're talking about Al Thamen and people who have fallen into depravity.Which makes me think that the rukh is an invention of Solomon as a way to counter the effects of Illa's "corruption".The chapter seems to imply that David is exceeding the limits of magoi in the world and that's why the quality of magoi changed, and Illa went from a pure and bright being, to a black and sick god.I don't think that the black rukh is involved at this point. What bothers me about Illa is that in the case the world is destroyed wouldn't that mean that the magoi is released again and absorbed by Illa.And when it happens wouldn't that make him return to its original state, and start the cycle all over again?
Now that Solomon is sure about how ineffective Illa is as a god, maybe he'll start to change, especially if he manages to save the world by stopping his father's scheme. His ego will start to swell, and maybe that's the reason why Sheba and the others are going to distance themselves from him.
I gotta admit that this chapter has left me puzzled, and I feel that it raised more questions than it answers.

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

Yeah, I did notice the fact that neither white or black ruhk have been mentioned in this arc which is odd, especially the absence of white. I tried mentioning ruhk in the context of Solomon's world, not Alma Toran but that is a good idea about ruhk being an invention of Solomon to combat the weaknesses of being a god. However Solomon is part of Alma Toran and therefore a creation of Illa as well so I'm even more curious as to how he's able to self-sustain himself as a god since I'm still not sure if there are multiple Illas or simply an omnipotent Illa that oversees many worlds. And as of the end, Solomon drew his power from a dying god so I wonder why magic itself didn't dry up unless Solomon was able to at that moment use up all remaining magoi to salvage what he could before Illa took it all.

And this chapter was the first time we saw any form of disagreement between Solomon and the others and oddly enough the push-back came from Ugo of all people who as the science-type you would assume would harbor similar thoughts about the purpose of God. And who of course is arguably the man who respects and loves Solomon the most even now in the new world. Solomon simply came to a logical conclusion based on some pretty startling evidence, it seems reverence for Illa still remains among everyone but David and Solomon.

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

In the new world magic seems to be less powerful than back at Alma Torran, so it's not really something that Solomon did deliberately, but rather because of the limitations that Solomon had to cope with. Since he also draws magoi from Illa, it only make sense that he barely had enough magoi to create a new world and give a few magicians power. That's when rukh comes in to make the balance imo. I have a feeling that in the end Solomon might also have died, since he had barely enough magoi, or he's in a catatonic state.
Yeah it seems that even though Illa has fucked up big time the magicians and other species still rever him. Only Solomon and David seem to not really care. Also last chapter Solomon told Arba that he needed her by his side so he doesn't become arrogant, since the other species started to view him as a god. I think it's only normal that by the end of this fight with David Solomon's view of the world is going to change.

Re: Magi 222 Spoiler Thread

Originally Posted by ladylola

A special arc about David? Me gusta. And is it really true that David is surpassing God ? I thought only Solomon could do that.

Solomon didn't exactly surpass God, if so he could have ended Al Thamen's rebellion and stopped Il Illa from destroying the world. God's role has been the regulation of magoi in the world and the attempt to stop it from being disproportionately drained from him. He of course failed, as he does at everything and basically ceded the regulation of magoi to David simply due to a lack of action. I just can't see Solomon surpassing Illa when basically all of his power comes directly from him.