I'm not trying to build some game centering around turtle, it's just a position that happens, and I'd like to get better at it. You lose points for getting mounted too, so I guess you shouldn't bother learning what to do from under mount? I don't get your thinking here... (not to mention, turtle isn't even considered a point scoring position)

Anyhow, I'm quite good moving from under side-mount to turtle, so if I could just get decent at escaping turtle, it would improve my escape plans in general a lot.

I'm also asking for advice from the top of turtle, as I'm not very good at attacking a person in this position either.

Thanks, so would you say the seatbelt is the most important initial goal from all turtle positions? (front, side, back) I mean, for example, I just sprawled and my opponent turtles, and I try to come to his side, should I be working the seatbelt even as I do this, or are there other things I should focus on first before trying to come around?

if you want to play a turtle based game you need to learn how to do three things.

a) granby, so you can roll and get back into guard over and over again.
b) have a goddamn /tight/ turtle so that they can't roll you or get in their hooks
c) grab an arm and sitout so you can re-shoort.

the turtle is /not/ a static position. you're there, getting your **** together than transitioning. the best turtler in the world is not going to be able to sit there all the time.

if you want to fight the turtle, then yes, seat belt is the number one position. When I say seat belt, I mean when you are behind and to the side of them, not in the front sprawl position, as if you're in front of them, thy're not really turtling. if you're behind them, they're granby-ing on you.