They both had kids and are always meeting up, taking the kids out. Y is always talking about how she met up with X and took the kids out and they had a nice glass of prosecco, took the kids for dinner and a movie, etc.… Recently I found out that they both (& their kids) went to visit my husband’s cousin (also has kids), who lives 1.5 hours’ drive away. I did say to X, “why didn’t you ask me?” Her response was “you were working” (they went on a weekday). Even though she knows I WFH and my job is flexible and can take my laptop anywhere with me.

There have been more incidents in the past where me (or my husband & I), have not been invited/included. My husband’s brother had his daughter’s birthday party (a kids thing at a local rugby club), we were not invited. Then the next day Y was going on about how they had the best evening ever and how all the adults were all sitting out in the sun enjoying a bottle of wine! My husband was fuming at this but remained calm, and the next time he saw him, he asked why we were not asked to attend, his brother said ”it must have been an oversight!!!” When my husband and I mentioned this to X, even she was surprised that we were not invited (however she is always away with the fairies and really never has a clue about what is going on around her or even think to ask where we are or why we were not invited). So she is aware that we are sometimes ostracised.

On top of this, I know that X does not like Y as she has talked about her to me and my husband, as their daughters are the same age and Y is constantly putting X’s daughter down and is very competitive. Now my husband is more than capable of outing everybody on their behaviour, my issue is that he will just get wound up, losing his temper and end up arguing with them all and probably say some things he doesn’t mean, which I why I have said to my husband not to confront everybody. Also I know it will give Y the satisfaction that we felt left out as she is really not a nice person, (even my In-laws have said they don’t like her and have remarked on her jealous and horrible ways.) She is always making remarks about how my husband and I don’t have kids,( e.g. we travel a lot, and the comments have been “you can only travel a lot as you don’t have kids”, to which my husband curtly responded “we could have 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 kids, we would still travel!” or when asked what we got up to on the weekend, we mentioned that we went to Ikea to get a few bits, to which the response was “oh when you’ve got kids, Ikea is a nightmare”. ALWAYS starting her sentences off with “when you’ve got 3 kids…”) Basically anything we mention that we do, the “kids” line is dropped!

Before anybody comments why would I want to spend time them... Although I am not too keen on my SIL’s, it would be nice to try and have a better relationship with them, be included in meet-ups (or have the option to say no) and at least build a better relationship with my nieces/nephews. I feel that sometimes they do it on purpose, the way they speak about it afterwards, and I’m sat there thinking, why did you not think to ask me?!

I have tried to meet up and have dinners with X & Y, purely as I’ve wanted to make an effort for the sake of my husband and the family. (We all live within 5 mins drive of each other). Y always makes a huge hoohaa about timings as “when you’ve got 3 kids” is a “nightmare” putting them to bed. And when we have had dinners, most of the topics have been about kids (again Y does this on purpose knowing I will be left out).

I do have a small circle of close friends who are amazing and have given me advice, but maybe they are being biased!

I do suffer from anxiety, which doesn’t help, but how can I solve this without coming across as b*tchy/petty to them, stressing myself (& my husband) out, making myself more anxious or causing arguments in the family?

I hate to say it.....but when you have children it IS harder to go on nights out and arrange meals....That's just fact....so they might be being realistic there.....I've never invited people with no kids to kids birthday parties as why would they want to come? So some of the things you mention are not necessarily against you per se.

I think you're wasting an astounding amount of energy concerning yourself with what they do. They don't even sound like enjoyable people to be around. I think you should count yourself lucky you're not invited.

@TabbyMumz Thanks, I guess I feel if it's your close family, it doesn't hurt to invite them. Especially if you know a the other mums and dad (that we know) will be going there and will be having a few drinks. My sister and brother always invite us to their kids bdays. Would be nice to be given an option to say no. Obvs if at a kids soft play we wouldn't go. But if somewhere with a bar, I would have thought they would invite us.

Also no OP 😂 you would not travel... Because you, like the rest of us, would rather just have half an hour to take a shit alone than face a flight or trip with a baby or a toddler or infact any kid under 8.

@FlaviaAlbia my sister and brother have 3 kids and have no issues travelling. I know that my husband was probably exaggerating saying we could travel with 5 kids. But it's the feeling of being put down due to our lifestyle choice and perhaps her not being able to travel. Her husband did once day to us... I wish I had your life...

@Fiveredbricks & @DelphiniumBlue I get if it's soft play then yes, we probably wouldn't be invited and wouldn't go anyway. But if it's a place with a bar, and all the parents will be having a few drinks (we know all the parents very well) it would have been nice to be invited. Or a pub for lunch / girls dinner etc...

@Fiveredbricks maybe that would be the case if we have kids and happy to have 30 mins to ourselves. But would you just go on and on about your kids all the time and start off the majority of your sentences with "When you've got 3 kids". (Don't get me started on her social media!!!) Why not just a comment like oh how lovely hope you have a nice holiday. Or yeah we went to Ikea the other week, it's always so busy isn't it. She always wants the conversation to come back to be about her.

They share DNA with a member of your family or the person you married. That's it. To paraphrase a film close to my own heart, I would rather swallow razor blades than drink Prosecco (yuck) with my SiL. She dislikes me intensely, as another family member once helpfully informed me, and I find her completely vapid. And if these are the kind of people would ostentatiously exclude just one female member of their family from their 'girly bonding' meets, I'd happily let them get on with it without a moment's regret.

If you're on Facebook, restrict them so you can't see their posts and disengage. Be polite when you have to be around them. And expend your precious time and energy on real friends; people you'd voluntarily spend time with whether they are 'family' or not. One bitches about the other to you and your DH, FGS. Do you think they wouldn't do it about you too?

Life's too short to entertain this petty crap, OP, not least waste your headspace in worrying about people who behave like dicks. SiL or no SiL.

I think it's a bit if both. They probably are leaving you out...as the things they are organising are things that 99pc of people with kids would have no interest in going to.

I hang about sometimes with people. I wouldn't necessarily call 'friends', who've got kids the same age. It's just a small break while they play, it's a chance to talk to another adult. I wouldn't normally invite another child free adult as I would imagine most people without kids would rather do anything than referee turn taking or sharing between other people's children.

Likewise kids parties - most people find them hell and only put up with them for the own kids. I would never make someone even family feel they had to go to one (unless it was a 1st or 2nd party where the baby doesn't have any friends going and it's actually just for the adults)

I would never ask someone to come out for the day when they're wfh, as, well, they're working. It drives me and a lot of people I know mad when you're working from home and people assume you can stop working. I feel like there is a perception of people taking the piss when wfh that I generally try and fight against

Its nice you've invited them round in the evening. If you want to do things in the day with the kids, you could try doing that as well? Or invite them separately to change the dynamic? Maybe do a BBQ on a summers day so adults and kids can all have fun?

With all due respect you really don't sound like you like your SIL very much at all so are you sure you really want to spend much time with her? I think she's being tactless and a bit thoughtless but from what you've said it doesn't sound like there's any malice involved in not inviting you to these things.A quiet word in her ear to the effect of 'we'd really love to come along to the nieces and nephews parties as we want to be involved in their lives, please don't exclude us from these things just because we don't have kids' - said in a non confrontational way should surely sort this out?

Why would they want to hang out with someone who doesn’t want to listen to their main topic of conversation? You might find the constant referencing to the children boring, but that’s the biggest part of her life just now - why should she include you if it involves making an effort to not talk about the children? No idea what you mean about going for a visit while wfh. Do you do web cam work? You can’t work while out for a chat and a visit!

The problem is OP you and your husband don’t understand what life is like when you have children, and in your post you are demonstrating a clear lack of empathy for their situation. Evenings out are difficult when you have children, travelling is difficult too. Routine is important. Maybe they don’t want to spend time with you as you are not being sensitive or understanding to their needs as parents. Since I had children, I stopped adjusting my plans to suit others and just did what I needed to do for my children. When people have children, they put the needs of their children first, such as bedtime. Also when a couple has kids, life changes, they do kiddie activities and tend not to invite childless couples. Why would they think you would enjoy the same things their kids do?

when we have had dinners, most of the topics have been about kids (again Y does this on purpose knowing I will be left out).

When parents have dinners most of the topics are about kids, they’re not doing it deliberately! And it’s most weird to expect to be invited to bring your laptop and work from the cousins house while the kids pla6 around you. I think you might be being a bit oversensitive.