A question for Masonic Light and other Masons

I don,t think the masons are against us generally,its a matter of control.Look at it from a local level,you select a councillor ,you may agree with a
lot of what he says but not all, the council makes decisions and you may not agree with all of them ,but you have to pay your taxes for their services
and they do what they think is right, if things go wrong you are told ,well you voted for him, and if you didn,t vote they say its your fault for not
voting , because yor choice is limited. If a fund say has a million pounds is set aside for sanding and gritting the roads in case it snows ,and it
don,t snow, some of that money may be spent on functions for the councillors benefits and quite often masons are on the council.The masons do get
some grief, but someone do have to do these jobs,but there is an old saying if you throw s--t some will stick.

Since I know so little, the first thing I would need to know is if such a conspiracy as the one/ones being alleged is at all possible or probable. So
my questions to any Mason qualified to know would be this:

Is it at all conceivable, when considered wholly apart from any personal or emotional considerations, and when viewed with complete objectivity, for
there to be a relatively small number of high degree Masons with knowledge and powers of the sort that have been alleged, without your
knowledge?

I guess that would depend upon what you mean by "knowledge and powers". Having been through practically every degree of regular Masonry, I can
certainly concur with Brother Pike, who, in his book "Symbolism of the Blue Degrees", states unequivocally that there is no esoteric knowledge in
Masonry that isn't already available to the general public. One's "high degree" is in this case irrelevant: I know non-Masons who are Adepts, and
I know 33° members who don't even know how to pronounce "Kabalah".

Certianly there must be some masonic groups that have, in their decades of existence, developed some insights into "esoterica"? Maybe not in
the progression from 1st degree to 33rd or to Knights Templar of the York Rite and the like, but in one of the official side groups that are part of
it?
I maybe not even secret information, but if masonry is worth its salt in that respect, surely something must've come out of it in terms
of research no?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Certianly there must be some masonic groups that have, in their decades of existence, developed some insights into "esoterica"? Maybe not in
the progression from 1st degree to 33rd or to Knights Templar of the York Rite and the like, but in one of the official side groups that are part of
it?
I maybe not even secret information, but if masonry is worth its salt in that respect, surely something must've come out of it in terms
of research no?

I would say there have been many individual Masons who have developed interest in esoterica, but actual Masonic groups dedicated to such studies are
practically non-existent. That's why Masons who had those interests were prompted to form non-masonic organizations, which only resembled Masonry in
outward form. A good example is the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

is it me or does freemasonary and illuminati always get mixed up, or is it what these organisation represent

, a secert form of control, control over info, people, wealth, everything in gereral, even control in perception, i notice people saying so an so is
a mason and on another site hes in the illuminati, whats going on people

Originally posted by Tom_Braider
I'm confused, but I'll add my 2¢ of what little I know.

Years later, I was invited to join in NY, but I declined because the lodge did not accept black people, and I refused to be part of any organization
that discriminated.

Hello Tom Breeder, I have one question for you my friend. How did you know that you were invited to join a Masonic Lodge in New York? I didn't think
that Masons were allowed to advertise. I'm also surprized they told you strait up that they don't allow black humans.

Dude, you're lucky most of the guys here decided to ignore your insolent post. Unfortunately I'm too hot-headed for that. Even so I've restrained
myself from saying what you DESERVE TO BE TOLD because I'm better than you. In any case, if your principal directive in life is what you stated
above, you must be stupider, more low-rent, weaker than anything that Freemasons or our silly club could ever be.

I don’t know enough about the masons to form a opinion at the moment, and I’m not going to say I’m perfect but getting all emotional over
internet posts is really silly and non-productive if you think about it. I understand frustration, but being overly emotional is weakness not
strength. Learn to manage your emotions so you can act with a rational clear logical mind.

As mentioned, if a Mason vows before God and his Brethren to obey the Moral Law, it's not an option to later violate his vows.

it would seem to me that a Mason can technically be more trusted than those who have not made a similar vow.

Since a Mason is sworn to Truth, there exists a deeper bond between Masons and truth than exists between those who have not taken such a vow.

Such upstanding characters in our society. Are they anything like the catholic priests who have been found guilty of child abuse, who many would say
have a DEEPER reason to tell the truth being of god and all......

The logic of some of the supposed higher masons is quite flawed.... does not match to what some of the low level mason are saying...

We have one saying...

In other words, when members are asked by non-members to divulge the secrets of Masonry, they don't show them fake secret handshakes or passwords.
They either tell them point blank that they cannot betray the trust of their Brethren by revealing the secrets of Masonry unlawfully, or ignore the
question altogether.

Supposed high level mason...

and another...

There is no 'secret knowledge' you get by sitting through them, it is more like sitting through a college level philosophy class except its a play.
Not only does the Scottish Rite allow it, they encourage it. You, the general public, can buy the Scottish Rite Monitor in many book stores and even
the Rite's own website. It has all the rituals, "secrets" and philosophies of the rite as well as all the high points of the ritual in it.

a Supposed low level mason...

Who is lying gentlemen?? Are you both lying? Can you get the misdirection and misinformation straight for us please. You two should really talk
before you continue spouting off... That is only one small one... I may make a thread of all the inconsistencies I find within the masons posts....

Only someone like you can truly defy the "Deny Ignorance" motto like this. You bump a year old thread to copy and paste something I said on a
completely different subject and try to compare it.

There are no "supposed" high or low level masons. Just masons. For the 1,000th time.

And there is nothing contrary in what you've quoted either - its lines up quite nicely. You, because you trying to spread disinformation, have tried
and failed to compare a discussion of handshakes in the blue lodge to the nature of a side order of degrees.

Surely it shouldn't matter when the original post was... Have the opinions of the posters changed? Both posters are on this thread... The other
comments are comments trying to show that masons seem to think they are above everyone else.... These are statements made by masons to show that this
arrogance exists within the mason thought process.

I apologize for bringing up old wounds... they are relevant topics today as well...

Do I have to watch the date that something was posted to last now.

Is there an agreed upon time before I should decide to post following a lull in the thread before being subjected to your last bit of mason fluff?

the example would be the three statements that I quoted in the post above... plse check above as I do not wish to get a violation for unneeded
quotes...

the three quotes are from masons stating that truth is more to them than the common man... that was my reference...

To me, that is the thinking of an arrogant man...
"its not an option to later violate his vows". I mean what happens, time stops because that is not allowed within the rules of freemasonry...

they need to wake up and see I'm not anti-mason.... I don't hate catholics, I hate their ideals and their beleifs... I don't hate masons, I hate
their ideals and their beliefs... and I was a brainwashed catholic for 46yrs... so I know...

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