According to Ken Rosenthal of The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/ken_rosenthal/20030511.html) :

"The question with the White Sox is whether their deficiencies are more a reflection of ineffective leadership by manager Jerry Manuel or the wrong mix of players.

"They've got too many guys that don't know how to play," one GM says. "They don't hit the cutoff man, they throw to the wrong base, don't run the bases well." A scout adds, "There's not a lot of energy on that team. They sit back and wait to have a big inning.""

We all see it. Ken Rosenthal sees it. Other GMs see it. Does Sox management not see it?

gosox41

05-12-2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by hold2dibber
According to Ken Rosenthal of The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/ken_rosenthal/20030511.html) :

"The question with the White Sox is whether their deficiencies are more a reflection of ineffective leadership by manager Jerry Manuel or the wrong mix of players.

"They've got too many guys that don't know how to play," one GM says. "They don't hit the cutoff man, they throw to the wrong base, don't run the bases well." A scout adds, "There's not a lot of energy on that team. They sit back and wait to have a big inning.""

We all see it. Ken Rosenthal sees it. Other GMs see it. Does Sox management not see it?

So much for the boot camp atmosphere.

Bob

Lip Man 1

05-12-2003, 08:49 PM

All Sox management can see is how much they would have to pay off Manuel and or Williams if they let them go to do nothing.

Lip

Daver

05-12-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Lip Man 1
All Sox management can see is how much they would have to pay off Manuel and or Williams if they let them go to do nothing.

Lip

They could both be replaced without costing the organization a dime.

MHOUSE

05-12-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by daver
They could both be replaced without costing the organization a dime.

That makes sense. Then how come they haven't been?

MRKARNO

05-12-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by MHOUSE
That makes sense. Then how come they haven't been?

Because we're dealing with the White Sox and not the Yankee organization

thezeker

05-12-2003, 10:02 PM

QUOTE]Originally posted by hold2dibber
According to Ken Rosenthal of The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/ken_rosenthal/20030511.html) :

"The question with the White Sox is whether their deficiencies are more a reflection of ineffective leadership by manager Jerry Manuel or the wrong mix of players.

"They've got too many guys that don't know how to play," one GM says. "They don't hit the cutoff man, they throw to the wrong base, don't run the bases well." A scout adds, "There's not a lot of energy on that team. They sit back and wait to have a big inning.""

We all see it. Ken Rosenthal sees it. Other GMs see it. Does Sox management not see it? [/QUOTE]

We've seen it for over 2 years but we don't want to believe it! We want to believe in that aberration that happened the first 1/2 year of 2000. Each year we think a few changes are going to inspire them to play like they did in 2000.

I think Sox management bought into this same thinking. The only difference being is that they are supposed to know better. By the end of 2000 you could see there was something fundamentally wrong with this team.

Since then they've blown every big game, every big matchup, and the only inspired baseball they played was after Reinsdorf called them out late last year.

The problem is not that Reinsdorf is cheap. It is that he surrounds himself with yes men. Loyalty is good but loyalty based on fear is not loyalty: it is blind faith. And that's where the problem lies. With no dissenting opinions allowed the White Sox just make one blunder after another.

Every once in a while Reinsdorf surprises us. Let's hope he'll see the light and make the necesarry changes.

Jerry_Manuel

05-12-2003, 10:12 PM

Here's the real problem.

The team is built for the home run. Gary Ward preaches it, the Sox offense is made for it. Jerry Manuel is a "small ball" kind of guy, but he doesn't have the players for it. For far too long this team has been built for home runs. If you get rid of Konerko, Lee, and Thomas, and replace them with guys who can hit for average & play the field you got something.

Tragg

05-12-2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Jerry_Manuel
Here's the real problem.

The team is built for the home run. Gary Ward preaches it, the Sox offense is made for it. Jerry Manuel is a "small ball" kind of guy, but he doesn't have the players for it. For far too long this team has been built for home runs. If you get rid of Konerko, Lee, and Thomas, and replace them with guys who can hit for average & play the field you got something.

Manuel sort of preaches it - I've never seen him focus on the real key to small ball - taking walks and working the bat. His philosophy, to me, has been the worst of both worlds: swing at anything for a single.
I would delete the classic Frank from your list - great obp guy.

Iguana775

05-12-2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by hold2dibber
According to Ken Rosenthal of The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/ken_rosenthal/20030511.html) :

"The question with the White Sox is whether their deficiencies are more a reflection of ineffective leadership by manager Jerry Manuel or the wrong mix of players.

"They've got too many guys that don't know how to play," one GM says. "They don't hit the cutoff man, they throw to the wrong base, don't run the bases well." A scout adds, "There's not a lot of energy on that team. They sit back and wait to have a big inning.""

We all see it. Ken Rosenthal sees it. Other GMs see it. Does Sox management not see it?

Can we say 'bad coaching'??

RKMeibalane

05-12-2003, 11:32 PM

This is yet more proof that Jerry Manuel needs to be fired.

Memo to Ken Williams: Wake up!

Nellie_Fox

05-13-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by MRKARNO
Because we're dealing with the White Sox and not the Yankee organization This gets brought up periodically on this board. Somebody uses the Yankees as an example of the way the Sox should conduct business.

Well, guess what folks. That's not going to happen. There is only one Yankees, and nobody else can be what they are. They are able to keep a cycle going that no one else can; they get huge amounts of money from radio and TV contracts because they have more championships than anybody and are in a huge market. They are able to use that money to pay the best players, and the best players want to play for the Yankees because of the championship history, and they know that their chances for Hall of Fame induction are greatly increased because of Yankee visibility and mystique, not to mention that the Yankees can pay them what no one else can. This gets them more championships, and the cycle repeats.

There is nothing like it in any other sport, although the Lakers are coming close. So, compare the Sox to some other successful organization and I'll listen to your complaints. But comparing them to the Yankees is futile.

pissonthecubs

05-13-2003, 01:53 AM

i will have to say that it is either the wrong players on this team, or just bad players. now that i think about it, it's a fine mix of both.

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