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Friday, June 26, 2009

I do not claim to understand it all but what a mind-altering bit of years of research. We owe it to ourselves to read this post from the Gates of Vienna.

Just as one point: would you believe that Jesus Christ may have been called Mohammad?

Have we all - infidels and Muslims alike - gotten twisted around the flag pole for no other reason that the power of men who benefit from their absolute control over their "followers?"

It has happened before if one remembers reading of the Spanish Inquisition. History is replete with examples.

Read the post at the Gates. The research is revolutionary or it could be.

My comment left at The Gates of Vienna:

How extraordinary. Jesus Christ was Mohammad. How extraordinary it would be if these brave researchers were to find that the Koran is in some aspects the efforts of other writers to "translate" or to "write" early Judeo-Christian holy texts for some purpose unknown and possibly unknowable to us today even with research.

And some other writers tried to capture the teachings of Jesus Christ/Mohammad. Earth shattering concept.

And how interesting it would be if Islam developed following the creation of the eventual Roman Church as another attempt to interpret or "describe" God developing into another sect of Christianity? And then like most "religions" controlled by power-hungry men was transformed into their hold on their power structure?

I am hardly a scholar of Islam but I have read much of the Koran and some parts are clearly similar to the Christian Holy Bible and the Torah.

Thank you, Baron.

Excellent reply left by Henrik Raeder who is absolutely correct:

And how interesting it would be if Islam developed following the creation of the eventual Roman Church as another attempt to interpret or "describe" God developing into another sect of Christianity?

"Well..." Henrik wrote:

If you really dig into the genesis of Islam, you'll find that it isn't 'another attempt', it is an original religion (sort of), based on the life of Muhammad, teaching its believers to basically behave like him (Quran 33:21)

That's not very nice.

Jesus was a good human being with courage and compassion, a rare combination. He'd go in and absolve people from the stiffness of ancient Jewish law, abolish stoning and the like. Good stuff.

Muhammad, on the other hand, reintroduced stoning and other barbaric punishments. That he called upon the ancient Arab moongod Allah to justify this is scary, but at least one shouldn't taint Christianity by assuming it's the same god - it isn't.

Some parts are clearly similar to the Christian Holy Bible and the Torah.

That's because it's lifted from Christian and Jewish sources. Muhammad paid the Jews in Medina to provide him with material for his 'revelation', but unfortunately his memory wasn't too good, and he misrepresented many of those stories.

One of the more interesting is the twisted Kain & Abel story found in sura 5, where the greatest problem becomes hiding the evidence of fratricide. That's a prelude to the violent passages 5:32 - 5:35, frequently misquoted by our Dear Leaders to prove Islam peaceful.

More important that the Quran is actually the Sirat, the life story of Muhammad. Two versions exist, by Ibn Ishaq and Al-Tabari (both ancient Islamic scholars). They explain what Muhammad did in his life, and why those emulating him tend to act in such violent ways.

A wonderfully entertaining (yet scholarly) analysis of the life of Muhammad can be found at Prophet of Doom. It's free.

I recommend Henrik's reference. The web site is invaluable. Americans need to know how deeply ingrained the mindset of Muslims is regarding the treatment of infidels...

Let me simply state that if my comment, based upon the post and the research, left the impression that I believe God, for myself the Trinity, is the same as Allah who was a lesser god among many other gods selected by Mohammad for his purposes, I apologize.

My comment was only related to the part of the research that suggested that during a period of time the researchers speculate the Jesus Christ was "called" Mohammad, not to be confused with the Mohammad who believed in killing infidels wherever his followers found them.

Qur'an 5:33 is violent, murderous, and intolerant: Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and who do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified, or their hands and their feet shall be cut off on opposite sides, or they shall be exiled. That is their disgrace in this world, and a dreadful torment is theirs in Hell." Then: Qur'an 5:34 "Except for those who come back (as Muslims) with repentance before they fall into your power."

In trying to defend Islam and the Qur'an, the President of the United States (George W. Bush) and the Muslim woman quoted a verse that was inspired by Jewish folklore rather than Muhammad's god. Then they did what she falsely accused me of doing; she and George misquoted the Qur'an and took it out of context. But worst of all, they tried to deceive the millions into believing that Islam, the Qur'an, and its god were peaceful when the very passage they selected required Muslims to "punish" and "disgrace" non-Muslims with: murder, torture, mutilation, enslavement, or exile so that Allah might "torment them in Hell."

This is the message of Islam to its followers. You decide how we defend ourselves from such "teachings." I trust Mr. Winn will not mind that I used the quotations. Tundra Tabloid: the compassion of Islam.

3 Comments:

This is a fabulous post and I am definitely going to make a post regarding this on my blog; this is a great comparison of a document so few people understand. Now that the democrats have realized how much trouble Obama is, I believe they have finally realized we are in deep stuff!

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