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Over the years we have grown to know Amma and her Irish devotees as they recruited people at the RDS. Here we want to provide information about a new book and some links to critical comment on this Hindu Saint?

KIHEI, Hawaii, Dec. 2, 2013 /PRNewswire-iReach/ — An Indian woman profiled in publications across the globe, Mata “Amma” Amritanandamayi, is referred to as a saint by many, with her hugs believed to cure cancer and other diseases. Thousands line up, often waiting hours to be hugged and blessed by the godly woman.

However, a different portrait is painted of Amma in the new book Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness, written by the guru’s former personal assistant, Gail “Gayatri” Tredwell. The true picture is far different from the facade of beloved holy woman that the public sees.

After becoming Amma’s personal assistant in India at the age of 21, Tredwell never realized that her quest to find God would end in such a web of deceit and abuse. For two decades, Tredwell acted as Amma’s personal servant, expected to be available at the “saint’s” disposal at all hours.

Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness depicts an unsettling portrait of Amma in a voice that brims with honesty and hope. Tredwell became fluent in the Malayalam language and was with Amma continuously. The author shares her unique story, keeping to the facts yet taking responsibility for her own role in the situation.

Readers will become familiar with the ashram through the images that the book evokes of rural India. They will also see the ashram’s meteoric rise from religious community to mega-empire, completely business-minded and rife with hypocrisy.

Tredwell leads readers through the stages of her servitude to Amma, beginning with the early years fraught with innocent devotion, then to the developing awareness of the severity of her situation, until at last she realizes her needed liberation is not from God, but rather from Amma.

Only after years of recovery and reflection has Tredwell been able to reveal this story in all its raw and unflinching truth. Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness is now available on Amazon.com in both Kindle and paperback editions, and available as an e-book via several other online retailers.

http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Hell-Memoir-Devotion-Madness/dp/0989679403
Amma, universally known as “The Hugging Saint,” went through a two-decade transformation from a simple fisherman’s daughter to an international wonder worshiped by millions. Gail “Gayatri” Tredwell was there every step of the way—from early devotee to head female disciple, ever-present personal attendant, handmaiden, whipping post, and unwilling keeper of some devastating secrets. At age nineteen, when she was a happy-go-lucky, adventurous lass from Australia, Tredwell never imagined that she would soon be trading her free spirit and skimpy clothing for a life of submission in an ankle-length sari. Her eager decision to serve the young “saint” began with innocence and a pure desire to please her new guru. In time, the relationship transformed into virtual enslavement in which Tredwell was on call 24/7 and worked herself nearly to death in the hope of finding God. Because she became fluent in the Malayalam language and had continual intimate proximity to Amma for twenty years, Tredwell is uniquely capable of portraying this famous woman. She tells her tale with straightforward honesty, fairness, and a dash of Aussie snap and wit. Although the guru’s flaws are a necessary part of her story and awakening, she strives to be factual throughout, digging deep to eschew victim frameworks and take responsibility for her own role in accepting the abuse and perpetuating the lies. The book evokes the joys of early devotional life and vibrant images of rural India. Through Tredwell’s eyes, we watch a modest and traditional ashram metastasize into a business-oriented, bustling, mega-international organization. We also see how such a dizzying rise created vast opportunity for abuse, deceit, and hypocrisy. Tredwell takes us vividly through her varying stages, starting with naïveté and innocent devotion, then on to dawning awareness and confusion, finally to emotional breakdown and her shocking “enlightenment”—her realization that the liberation she urgently required was is in fact liberation from her own guru. In a gradual yet determined struggle, she managed to untangle herself from the web of myth and indoctrination. Only then was she able to muster her battered but not quite broken spirit and plot her escape. Gail’s flight to freedom—her victorious recovery from a life of abuse and disillusionment—displays extraordinary strength and inspiring courage.

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“Tredwell takes us vividly through her varying stages, starting with naïveté and innocent devotion, then on to dawning awareness and confusion, finally to emotional breakdown and her shocking “enlightenment”—her realization that the liberation she urgently required was is in fact liberation from her own guru.”

Guru worshippers take note! Ireland, take note! And ban this woman from entering this country.

There are several self-proclaimed `avatars’ in the global media: Amma – Mata Amritanandamayi, Swami Nithyananda, and Sai Baba. Self-proclaimed, there is no verification allowed, other than your `inner (projected) experience’. Corrupted to the core, using the ruse of Mother Love, Amma moves into the God position in the psyche of her devotees, whilst actually building a massive corporate structure, that has their labour for free (westerners pay a hefty renunciation fee around 20K, others pay to stay and eat, and work ) Amrita TV, AIMS, The Amrita University, Amrita e-learning, etc. emply them all, and westerners do all the sanitation work in the ashram. Its such a scam. People donating their lives, their money, to be left high and dry in their hour of need.

She has all the skills of a great politician, including diplomacy.

Just a few days ago, an older Western devotee arrived, she needed help for some aspects of the day, and was not even allowed to stay. So much for her 30 years of dedication and giving! To old to use? Well, `you can’t stay, we don’t need you!’ One of thousands thus treated. The older renounciates there, going on 15 + years, coming with their pensions, life savings, they can look forward to death and cremation there, but not any kind of spiritual enlightenment.

Its such a crock! But, people are too addled…but, perhaps the amount reaching old age, needing help, will tip the western canoe. one hopes, but doubts it. Many are too fearful to leave, feeling that Amma will jinx their lives if they do.

“People donating their lives, their money, to be left high and dry in their hour of need”.

This is true. You are treated as a customer (if you are westerner ) and customer only in the ashram. No matter how long have you dedicated your life in and to it. Even if you have stayed years in the ashram and have no “life” outside….what matters are your work and money, only. Otherwise, who cares about you….you are just one ant in the crowd and organization will continue without you, even if you struggle to continue without it…it your problem. Surrender or suffer. Or surrender and suffer. Or be free.
Maybe some of those MEN “monks” who have got good position in the inner circle will always feel at the top of the world in there (nowhere else of course not…so they will remain there as long as it last), but others are merely treated like some sort of customers who just should be thankful to even enter the Place.
If you have some illness or are moneyless or have wrong colour of hair or some cases if you are gay, it is big possibility you are not allowed to stay in the ashram or join the tours or do the selfless service. And it is called, out to media, embracing the world and everyone is welcome. Everyone is not welcome…all those people who have lived there know the truth. It is very much power and ego play as it is in any big “worldly” organizations… even more. What matter is outside appearance, not the persons heart, good intentions and true spirituality.
Only different thing between “worldly” and this “spiritual” organization is that people are honestly selfish in worldly organizations and honestly try to win over other and do great profit to themselves and get high in their own position. They don’t hide behind the spirituality or selfless service.
In any spiritual group they think they are somewhat above all the rest of the world….so they go around selling their “Thing” to others. In reality of course Truth stands alone, ever so pure and available for all, always and anywhere and there is nothing to sell. Absolutely nothing to sell and nothing to prove and nothing to be and become.

In an attempt to censor free speech, Amma Amritanandamayi’s cyber-attack dogs are threatening “Amma Amritanandamayi Taavi Kassila Sex Scandal Cover-up” blog. Amma has hired the Los Angeles branch of a top U.S.-based law firm Kelley Drye & Warren LLP which has offices in Mumbai, India. Attorney Lee S. Brenner has filed a deposition subpoena requesting Google to give up all email, IP addresses, names, street addresses, email addresses and phone numbers associated with our blog. If Google gives up any private information then Google would not be trusted and would lose their users. In the subpoena Amma seeks to possess an unlimited amount of information and property including hand-written notes, private journals, library material, checks, interviews and all Google products including YouTube and Google Docs. We believe that Amma’s devotees are compiling a hit list.

The owners of “Amma Amritanandamayi Taavi Kassila Sex Scandal Cover-up” are encouraging Amma to revealing her true face as a cruel cult leader.

I never understood why people blindly follow these fraudsters. I lived in that ashram (amritapuri) and saw how they manipulate people. Those manipulated peoples includes my friends and loved ones , i tried to be rational with them but it seems they have this blind faith about “amma”.

Believe or not believing is our right . They are not compelling to visit ashram or to stay as an inmate there right . Then what genuinety is in all this sayings. problem is with the western culture they don’t know about the sanandana dharma and its culture. That is my opinion after reading your book …………..

They are making millions from the hospital business and will be few bugs as charity and make a big news… in TV. , how much donation they take.. that too only in USD for NRI’s even for application form. Another for a Rajanesh of Pune

Gail Tredwel wanted to know God and joins an Indian ashram…. (It is not necessary to be in an ashram to find God) anyway, she soon found the monastic life tough. This is because there is strict disciple to follow in an ashram.

She wanted to leave the ashram and enjoy a worldly life… get married and settle down.
She did just that…. and the ashram provided her the financial assistance to do that.

Now 15 years later, this book is created… with the influence of some hidden people whose agenda is to discredit the ashram.

In this book they have distorted all the facts, fabricated stories to generate emotion among ordinary people, who do not know the truth about an ashram (spiritual hermitage) or a Guru (a spiritual master)

This book is utter blunder.If she had been sexually abusesd why she did not try to escape ?..She had not been put in a cell.She is telling that she had been living there as right hand of Amma.She had freedom to move anywhere as amma had been traavelling oll over the world over the years.Ok.suppose if she had been sexually abused,then she might have enjoyed it.Or it would be a mental disorder happend due to the suppression of libido.One more thing i am not a devotee of Amma.and not at all interested in seeing her.Now while writing this she is camping here in calicut as part of her annual visit.

it is very easy to put blames on anyone. in this world very difficult 2 find out a real guru to open up spiritual path, but a person really get a guru as per his own character and will.constructing multi speciality hospitals, university, soap buisiness are not real spiritual guru’s symptom fearing to mention name

Why this nasty lady Gail Tredwel is wasting her life abusing others. Nobody in ashram is abusing anybody like this.. Ashram life is tough life meant for sadhaks not for IDIOTS like TREDLER.. she wanted to go and marry and live her life as she wanted.. she would have done it.. To cover up that BIG SHAME she is abusing Amma and ashramites

Amritapuri is not a place for worldly mad , materialistically hungry people like TREDLER. She is not at all spiritual

Amma is a spiritual guru. Guru leads his disciples to the path of God.It is up to the disciple to reach there or fall to the depth of hell.In Hinduism the simple way to reach God is to detach from worldly life and attach to God. Even after 20 years life of renunciation if you cannot detach from materialistic life means either u didnot try for that or totally failed.U cannot blame your Guru for this.It is your fate.For abusing Amma and ashram ,time will reveal the truth.Great Souls like Jesus and Prophet Mohammed has suffered worse than this.May God bless you to attain the real truth [Moksha].

I don’t understand how could a fisher women become a goddess one day. This whole thing is a hoax and those who follow her need to examine if their brain is in the right place. Tredwell is writing the truth about her experience with this so called “Amma “.

How long Amrita can cheat the world? In the name of charity, she has collected millions and millions of dollars to construct medical, engineering and other colleges as a business enterprise and now she is a billionaire. Her hug never cures persons. At election time several candidates got her hug, but they didn’t win the election. Two years back, a devotee who attempted to go near her was manhndled by her men and he later died. She is completely shrouded in secrecy because of her illicit dealings.

we are all very enthusiastic to discuss everything under the sun. but we are hesitating to discuss the matter regarding spiritual gurus or godmen.hence we have to discuss it with open mind. iam trying to buy it

Some people here are saying that Ashram is not the World and for Worldly people. In my experience, it is one place where is too much ego’s games and selfishnes and childish behavior that many “worldly” people feels quite mature and nice in comparison. Ofcourse it is intense to live with thousands people all the time….but why one even should? Ofcourse there is mature and nice people also in the ashram but it definetly should be place where people wakes up and ten continues their own journey but is that the case?
People in there are afraid the “World”. There is nothing wrong with the World, World is what youself project.
In my opinion I dont understand why people are so black and white, all aspect and experiences can be honestly talked openly and shared. Or why not? Something is really not right, when there is so much hate from all sides.

Amma has been in the fortefront as a spiritual Guru for more than 50 years globally. If she were a cheat, time would have exposed her long ago as it happened to many such ‘ Gurus’.

The author’s credentials are questionable. Why did she take more than two decades to understand the truth about Amma and the Asram ? It is too long a time and she was not in a jail.Then, why did she take 15 years to write a memoir ? Being a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba, I am not surprised. There were stories about Sai as well. These allegations appear like air bubbles. Jesus, Prophet Mohammad and even Lord Krishna were not spared. It is well known that there exists agencies which promote these kinds of perverted approaches thru handsome monetory rewards.

“Jesus, Prophet Mohammad and even Lord Krishna”; I am not aware of any books written that accuses them of being abusive to their followers. To say that because she is operating for 50 years negates any abuse on her part is ridiculous. Unfortunately many abusers are not brought to the attention of the public because victims do not speak out, out of fear. Thankfully some do and what better way to inform us by putting it in writing. Information is vital for recovery. To “follow a guru” is to give away your power. At least admit that!

STONES IS ALWAYS THROWN AGAINST A MANGO TREE ONCE IT STANDS WITH LOT OF MANGOES. AMMA IS NOW IN SUCH A POSITION. IF NO FRUITS NOBODY CARE. LET THEM THROW STONES THAT IS THEIR KARMA. BUT THE TREE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE TO GIVE SHADE AND FRUITS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT. AMMA WILL CONTINUE HER SERVICE. WHOM DO WE SPARE SO FAR JESUS ? PROPHET MOHAMMED ? KRISHNA ?. WE ARE INHUMAN…..ONLY PRAY ALMIGHTY BLESS THE WORLD AND ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET.

Mangos grow on trees. Money does not. How has she grown so rich? Because she is in the business of setting up institutionalised set-ups that guarantee money and slave labour, begging on a huge scale. Does having abundance justify fraud?

India has a long spiritual tradition. It is deeply rooted certain basic teachings found in the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita etc. “Satyameva Jayate (truth alone wins)”, “Maa gridha kasyasi dhanam (do not aspire for other’s wealth, Isaavasya upanishad)” are some of these tenets. I am not sure if this lady whom people call Amma either have a proper understanding of the first one or respect the meaning of the second one. Having lived with sanyaasis (Hindu monks) for many years and having met a close relative of “matha” in the early 80s and lived in Kollam during the early development of this cult, I m convinced that there is nothing spiritual about this lady or her organization. The great Sankaracharya himself has said of this as “wearing an attire for the sake of stomach.” Similarly, the Bible speaks of ‘whitewashed tombs.’ These types of organizations are the fronts for criminal activities, especially for financial crimes such as money laundering (turning black money into white).

Another issue with these types of organizations are their unscientific and unrealistic approach to psychological counseling. Most of the time people who end up in these places are both psychotic and neurotic themselves. Through a signature move like hugging and saying some sweet nonsense these so called “Gurus” are giving a false sense of hope to a distraught devotee. A real Guru would not give any sense of false hope. He/she would carefully listens to the problems of a devotee and advises a course of action, study, discipline or meditation to mitigate the psychological, spiritual or physical problems the devotee is facing. The point is to help the devotee understand, recognize and use his/her own ‘God given intelligence and rational thinking’ to solve his/her own problems. The Guru is only a guide.

Western people are far more psychotic and neurotic than people in India and far more wealthier too. So, they naturally fall into the trendy and colorful cultist trap like this and some “smart” or “cunning” business minded people are always there to develop into a business empire. I pity the people, especially the western ones who fall into these. In the end they get disillusioned and crazy. Once they come out of it, the next thing would be how to compensate for the time, energy and effort put into this nonsense. Unfortunately, most of the times, these people can be misfits in normal society. So, with the help of agents or other enterprises, the next best thing is to write a book. At least, some financial gain and some public attention. What is truth and what is lie the writer only knows. Rest assured, “only truth shall win.”

This may be a grand design by christian missionaries and church groups who wanted to lead a campaign against MA MATH to thrash their growing clout among christian members .This is a malafide campaign and the writer itself in mental illusion,MA Math will overcome this situation.

Your comment is nonsensical. The western world was seduced into accepting eastern religions and has paid dearly for it. No-one stood in your way, however, it is time we looked closely at how they operate. Fraudulence and mind controlling slavery is not my understanding of religion. We do not need gurus or lamas who grow fraudulently rich off the west.

The west is looking to oriental cultures like India.Thousands of churches are closed down in Europe.India is the land they are looking for spiritual peace and harmony.If there is any lapses in MA math functioning it should be investigated.But not on the way its celebrated by anti Hindu forces.Was there everything fine in European and Anglican churches.What all nonsenses reported against the clergy including child abusing and homosexuality which are banned by Catholic church itself quite long time.Let thos who haven’t done any crime throw stones.Not by those who already spreading message of evangelizing the entire Indian subcontinent by exploiting the poverty in India.MA.Math is a big threat for evangelisation and religions conversion of church groups so they are targeted specifically.Evangelisation is also dangerous as like talibanism in another way by destroying the local culture and customs and enforcing Anglican and roman church ethos in India.Dont forget Indians are more than 5000 years history where Christianity is having just 2000 years.The Govt In India having enough measures to investigate any illegal activities happens in MA Math.The western people should safeguard themselves before jump into any ventures by hearing Yoga,Ayurveda,Veda etc with out proper study .

Let us keep this discussion in present times. The Catholic Church, more is the pity, is not throwing stones. Citizens in high positions in Ireland, that is still predominantly Christian, welcomed Sogyal into Ireland. They were ignorant of the fact that he had alleged sexual complaints against him. When informed about previous court cases, his reputation of sexually taking advantage of women, they did nothing about it. Why is this? Is it the similarity of accusations against both that confuses the issue?

You say: “Let thos who haven’t done any crime throw stones.” This is usually guaranteed to shut people up as who among us has not done wrong, however, sexual abuse, religious abuse and cultic mind controlling techniques, supposedly to enlighten, cannot be swept under the carpet no matter how nice it looks or how much it cost. I believe that staying silent stymies justice being brought to bear on religious and pseudo religious cults in Ireland and around the world. Eastern religions will not evade justice.

Judging the book by its cover, the west was under a spell thinking that what they saw on the surface was what eastern religion was about, peace, harmony and love. Instead we find mind controlling cultic manipulative techniques used to suppress and a mind distorting belief system from gurus and the lama/buddhist system where sexual promiscuity, in the name of ‘religion’ and greed has no limits to ‘create’ a better world.

One cannot choose something freely without knowing the possible long term effects and one certainly does not expect to be rejected when there are adverse effects. We are not simpletons to be fooled any longer.

we can simply categorize the responses into two types as pro and anti amma.No doubt neutral also but they are too little.
it is funny some put a conspiracy theory that Christianity instrumented her against Indian spirituality.How can one say she is a lone representation of indian spirituality?.( actually geographical determination is a false notion) amma is not beginning and end of the spirituality.where we inscribe the long list of gurus like Budha, pathanjali,kabeer, tagore, sri sankara, srinarayana guru,paramahamsa, vivekanandha,nadaraja, jk and osho etc….still we have thousands of gurus and sanyasis.many of them are claiming that their path is real to ultimate truth. what ever it may be, God is ever lasting enthusiasm of human beings. whether it real or not? we need it. but some persons may have more awareness on it and ESP also.Even though they are subject to law of nature. Sri Ramakrishna died with a disease of throat cancer.Osho told a story on Arabindho that after the death the disciples kept his body for some days because they thought that the body of yogi would not be degenerated.what happened? a dead body can no long survive without decay.Now we have technologies to keep it for a long period.
that means they are human beings.No doubt they would have a trance stage. In early period of amma life might have such deep union with supreme reality. but gradually she lost it. It was happened when she started to proclaim that she is God. It is not like aham bramasmi ( naran is narayanan) as Upanishad says. Then she became the center of a God merchant firm.The flood of followers are not a proof of her spiritual height. generally human beings are helpless children who want to revisit into mother’s womb because the world is so insecure and unpredictable with full of sorrows and tears.That means society needs such Gurus.but I feel real Gurus never try to place him self or herself as a mountain of spirituality. Budha’s preached like wise.
Ok. Iam ready to agree the conspiracy theory against hinduism.If so how Gayatri was instrumented for it even after two decades with ashram life. Why Amma failed to cleanse her evil spirit ? Why not Amma introspected that Gayatri Would be a strong threat in future? followers of amma are vigorously believing that she is omniscient.
Another point is that if the Gayatri deliberately manipulated and distorted the facts, why not Math approached the Honorable Court against such a defamation.
Naturally the narrow minded people or people who have vested interest would take this opportunity to move against Math..It is very easy to blame them.but it is not at all a thoughtful reaction.Who created such situation? Issue is the contents of book. This is right or not ? what ever the intentions in terms of this controversy, Hence the followers itself will take responsibility for detailed inquiry for the purpose of Agnishuddhi. One thing is very important that God will never die.but not Godman.Once a script appeared on Cremlin Wall that God was died proclaimed by Frederic Nitsche. After a few years some one inscribed below the writing that Nitsche was died proclaimed by God.

yes …she is doing as u told.i have a simple question why amma failed to cleanse her distorted mind during the period of 20 yrs.why not amma introspected gail would be a threat in future? if those things are beyond her ESP, then what she has..
what ever we can continue the debate because it is best method to find out the truth.we have to translate the book into malayalam language also for wider discussion.

You comment: “generally human beings are helpless children who want to revisit into mother’s womb because the world is so insecure and unpredictable with full of sorrows and tears. That means society needs such Gurus.”

Considering that India is known as the most unsafe country for women it is possible they find refuge in ashrams. It would seem they ‘choose’ this type of exploitation from ‘mother’ rather than live in an unsafe society. If there was more respect towards women, a stronger emphasis on human rights in the east, they would not need to escape to a pseudo ‘mother’ who exploits their insecurity by growing dependence as part of her strategy is to break the bonds with close loved ones. We can share “sorrows and tears” with friends and family, the natural progression of maturity lessens the need for the pseudo ‘mother’ figure.

You say: “Ok. I am ready to agree the conspiracy theory against hinduism.”

Anyone who suffers abuse has the right to speak out about it. This is not a conspiracy. It is about being open and honest about experiences and Gail ‘Gayatri’ Tredwell is doing the right thing to globally give people a choice whether they want to contribute money. There is too much of a discrepancy between what they are led to believe and what actually happens with donations. We can also make better choices when it comes to religious practices. Practicing mind numbing mantras, yoga practices that are harmful, detrimentally affects physical and mental health.

You say: “No doubt they would have a trance stage. In early period of amma life might have such deep union with supreme reality.”

The “trance stage” is brought about by hypnosis. When you are in a trance state the conscious mind is not active and so anything that is taught to devotees is accepted by the unconscious mind. This is mind conditioning, nothing else. I question whether it is God they are connecting to or is it the mind and influence of her guru? Amma’s acquired cult persona was ‘created’ to gain power and to make lots of money off the backs of westerners and her devotees. There was an opportunity to take advantage of western interest in eastern religions and dogged Rottweiler determination to hold on. Will their greed ever be sated? It is their undoing.

You say: “Ok. I am ready to agree the conspiracy theory against hinduism. If so how Gayatri was instrumented for it even after two decades with ashram life. Why Amma failed to cleanse her evil spirit ? Why not Amma introspected that Gayatri Would be a strong threat in future? followers of amma are vigorously believing that she is omniscient.”

Can you not accept that Gail Tredwell is now no longer under the influence of amma, has recovered and can now think for herself. There is nothing evil about her, in fact, have you considered that it is Amma who does evil and incapable of cleansing Gail’s spirit? Where is the evidence that she can do this? Are you confusing it with the trance state where people are conditioned to say anything the guru wants them to?

“Another point is that if the Gayatri deliberately manipulated and distorted the facts, why not Math approached the Honorable Court against such a defamation.”

It could be that she is afraid to as it may open Pandora’s box and many many more devotees will come forward.

This kind of story is all too familiar to me. Ireland’s guru, Tony Quinn, gave us a taste of hinduism and destroyed minds and lives. It takes many years to recover. He opened my eyes to the destructive nature of guruism using mind control/hypnosis and was abusive in his pursuit of money.

Their aim is to hook people emotionally then sell tapes, books and retreats/seminars to hook them psychically. ESP is not fool proof.

“followers of amma are vigorously believing that she is omniscient.”

No, she is not. Their belief is evidence of deep unconscious mind conditioning.

Ms Gail has only herself to blame. Nobody forced her to become ammas disciple. She out of her imagination and disillusionment with the world wasted 20 years of her life and now she is crying over spilled milk! She should have understood that happiness and contentment are ones own making and nobody can attain such things from outside and it should come from inside. As for amma and her disciples – LIVE AND LET LIVE. Ms Gail has no power to take on them and she has risked her life by poking into this madness. GOD SAVE HER !!!!

Angie
You have analyzed it beautifully. thank u.whole purpose my response is to invite devotees of amma for open discussion.so i used soft words not to provoke them because their heart was closed with blind beliefs.they are mostly innocent people who are not aware on psychological conditioning and hypnotic experiences.no doubt their ignorance is main reason leading to such exploration in the name of spirituality.but i don’t want put all the gurus into this basket.india has such a rich tradition.our father of nation Gandhiji was deeply spiritual but he didn’t separate the spirituality from socio-political domain of world. many gurus we had worked hard aganist castism,male chowanism and social injustice etc..to improve the quality of life essentially the power structure should be redesigned.cults do nothing for this.
i never hesitate to appreciate to open up her experiences through a book.Dialogue essentially is a best tool to find out the facts.if possible this may be translated to malayalam language also.if get the right we can do it.

Dear Rajesh
Earth is a single entity. boundaries in terms nation are man made.It was never be fixed eternally. changes were frequently happened time to time. no doubt geography had played a critical role to shape cultures.But the concept of God not limited to geographical characteristics.so anyone who brought torches to enlighten human beings from any where in world are ever be our gurus like Christ, Muhammed, Budha, jaina ets. Colors of religion are to be treated irrelevant
We dont think number of hospitals are the symptom of a healthy society.it explicitly means that society has no adequate health. Simultaneously If a society have the capacity to achieve greater awareness and quality of life the role of temples / churches would start to diminish. Hence closure of churches are not bad things.pl just look into western society.they are now in very high position to protect human rights.they have powerful laws to maintain social justice.Poverty is very less than India.injustice based on caste,creed and gender are very rare.All those things are predominantly sustained here.In the beginning of colonization they used all kind of vandalism to dominate the countries and exploit the resources.Now the scenario changed into a large extent.we have to learn a lot from them.Past is past. we are now obliged to follow the goodness from from anyone and anywhere in the world beyond the limitation to nation, religion and creed etc…Ultimately God has no religion, caste and language etc…

The reason your comment was delayed as you gave two links and this automatically delays things.
With reference to having a ghost write as far as I know it is not a crime, and does not in any way take away from the arguments in the book. Also leaving a whole list of people crapping all over Tredwell is not exactly evidence what she wrote is wrong?

“Honour decay where commerse prevail !” Jesus stopped commerce around the chapel, Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) did not venture into commerce, Sri Krishna did not indulge in caravans, Buddha did not flourish in business. But, all of them endeavoured to make the mind of human holy! But in this kali yuga we try to make hell; holy. we face Avatars of Devis & Devathas conducting commerce trading god successfully.All of them and their signs are indiscriminately used for commercial purpose and later stampled upon. And, all of us yonder and wonder of their wonderfully orchestrated international business transactions where all professionals and public are tAKEN FOR A GOOD RIDE. All misery of this human era occurs for not understanding and assimmilating of ABSOLUTE TRUTH already shown by the pointers of all those said and left away immaterial to accepence or rejection. Those teachers will ever remain with the humanity when any such calamity and grave contradiction and suffering occurs for the sake of ISHWAR,ALLAH,GOD is felt , spoken or acted upon.. Every breath is HIS grace. That thought itself will do. Nothing else!

The interview by Britas with Gail recently appeared in Kirali T.V provided a very good opportunity to understand more about her.She tried to express her experiences without any prejudice and feel of retaliation . I think anybody who watched this programme would be in deep despair and pain so that no any logic to substantiate the arguments put against Gail by Math and Amma devotees.

I am really wondering about the real purpose of this blog. In your mission statement you talk about “dialogue” and “research”
….”truth in a spirit of love”….I emphasize the word “truth”(as well as love). What I am seeing here has nothing to do with intelligent dialogue based on any facts or truth….it is a rambling tirade of mud-slinging. And you are soliciting for donations for what you are doing??? Where is THAT money going?? I apologize to you if these comments of mine seem offensive, but do you realize how offensive much of what is posted here is? Take a look at Christianity. It can be torn apart in two seconds by only looking at the garbage (and over the centuries that is exactly what has been done.) Why don’t you use that as a topic and let that be presented for “dialogue”. Lets tear apart the Christian church. It would be very easy to do…just as you are doing with this blog…it’s all the same tactics.

My point is that you have presented a topic of “discussion” presenting nothing but negativity. All the information and the links you have provided are ALL from a negative and gossip based perspective. The truth is, there is much more information available on the actual truth/fact based side of the issue and it is a minority of people, most with private agendas, including Gail Tredwell,that are providing all this negativity., Why did you ignore all of the majority of factual information? and the many,many positive and informative links? And you talk about “research”? All the people who lived with Gail Tredwell and know who she really is have been speaking out and it is clear that this book was a personal vendetta and will eventually go the way of all such rubbish.

Yet you are building a “business” of pursuing this without one look at the facts. Where is the “research” you claim to do??? You yourself are showing a “falseness’ and the fact you are soliciting donations should be thoroughly questioned!!!! Where are YOUR credentials, documents and financial reports? Before we start throwing mud and stones at others, perhaps we need to take a good look at who we are ourselves.

It seems this site is in itself a cult…a form of “new age” hollywood scandal mongers. What “good” are you doing for society? It is just one more form of “trash” entertainment.

Perhaps you should consider going out and feeding hungry people, taking the homeless into your home and helping the impoverished world. Put your “donations” to a really useful purpose!

I suppose you will not allow this comment to be posted, and if that is so, it will be doubly evident of your intentions But at least you yourself will have to read it. I hope and pray that you will search your heart very,very,very deeply. May God bring you to real TRUTH.

as unity says iam ready to agree as an argument there is a bad intention for this site as well as gail. But let me ask some simple questions in this regard.
1) Gail stayed with Amma around 20 yrs. now she wrote about many incidents nullifying the spiritual authority of Amma as her experience in the book’ Holy Hell’. Why not Amma anticipated this even if she has high spiritual power and prophecy .
2) Even after 20 yrs of devotion to Amma,she keep on evil intentions?
that means Amma failed to cleanse an evil spirit?
3) As most of the devotees believe, as Math itself propagate if Amma has a divine power,why not Amma used her occult power to stop her malicious allegations against Amma?
4) Leave all the questions relating to domain of spirituality.at least math can approach to court of law against such a denigration.
i hope you are able to respond my simple questions.

After all the bluster you have diverted onto our donation page and have not addressed the post at all.
In regard to our accounts:https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/di-publishes-its-accounts/
We have moved your off topic ramblings here.
What exactly do you mean by “esoteric”,,, I see a lot of emotional opinions and judgments being expressed, a LOT of very crude and juvenile comments thrown out to hurt and lash out at others….all of this attracts those who simply love to read scandal and “dirt”..no better than the movie scandal magazines. Negative draws negative. These kinds of sites are not unique….they are plastered all over the Internet. It is unique, however, to have someone actually claim to do something like that as a “charity”…amazing. Is that what you mean by “esoteric”??

If for some reason you have a mission to lead people to “truth”, then why not post some actual truth. Instead of darkness, bring some light into the world….please!!!

It is a good question that v.h.dirar brings up. People have debated that question ever since Christ had his Judas. In the Christian context it is my understanding that without Judas, Christ’s “mission” would not have been fulfilled. His mission required the Crucifixion…thus the need for Judas. From the Hindu perspective it would be explained differently, but it is basically the same….each Avatar comes with a mission to fulfill and it requires many “players” for the drama to play out. Others would say that where there is light, there will always be dark opposing forces….or “Satan” to fight against. Someone like Christ or Krishna or whoever one may believe in is fully aware of the whole “drama” but has to let it play out. We, with a limited perspective don’t have that understanding and therefore it will seem confusing and even contradictory. Look at how very few stood by Christ in the end. People may not agree with any of these thoughts, I only present them as possible explanations…for anyone who might be looking at this site with an intention for honest dialogue rather than simply “bashing” others.

In regard to specifically why Amma allowed Gail to do what she is doing, you might find help with that question through many of the postings available through the ammascandal.wordpress blog,(or address that question to them directly ) which by the way was clearly omitted in the information that THIS blog has provided, making it clear that their intention here was NOT to present a full and unbiased report for “dialogue”. So what I said above seems to be confirmed.

yes..The role of judas was essential to complete the mission of Christ Accordingly Christ was annihilated in physical form and continued to sustain in a spiritual form or value system over centuries through the human kind.. you used same analogue in terms of Amma. That means Gail played a role of Judas and Amma is in the role of Christ. In case of Christ He announced it before crucifixion that Judas would come to cheat him for 50 silver coins. Why not Amma had such prior knowledge?
In case of this controversy, Government and Power structure is vehemently standing for Amma.But the power/Government was totally against in case of Christ.
What ever it may be The time ….that is the expression of universal entity which would play a role for truth.Truth is alone to sustain for ever..

Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that truth is the issue here. I am definitely not trying to say one should believe in Amma as Christ or anything else…or even believe in her at all. What each one comes to believe is clearly, in my mind, an individual decision. But as for the element of truth, if you are interested in the truth of the situation concerning Amma, I would suggest you thoroughly read the information given on the ammasscandal.wordpress sites..before making statements about her, as you will get a very different picture on those sites and then perhaps be able to make more informed comments. After looking into the entire issue, then you can make up your mind what to believe. That is a choice we all have to make. Unfortunately, most people simply chose to believe whatever looks exciting and gossipy…whether it’s about spiritual organizations or rock stars. Dirt sells. But for anyone who really wants to live life in truth, it is perhaps a good idea to be open enough to investigate the full story.

In regards to the life of Christ, it is my understand that his foretelling of his future events was only to his close disciples…not mass media. And even then, his disciples did not believe it. So that aspect we cannot know what is going on with Amma. Perhaps she has made such statements. There are indeed documentations of many statements she has made regarding future situations that indeed came to pass. She foretold her mission of traveling around the world and having people flock to her home from all over the word back when she was still a poor,uneducated young village girl and of course no one could believe a bit of it.

if one looks at the history going on at the time of Christ, there are some similarities concerning all the different political and religious factions going after him for their own agendas…the confusion and intertwining of it all at that time. Even among those people he had healed, many (most?)turned against him. Your impressions that Amma is being “backed” by government and power structure, this only indicates that so far you have not really studied the background and facts of this story, as that is not the reality of the situation.. I could make more comments, but if you really have a sincere interest in knowing about the situation, I can only suggest you look directly at the information already well available. Those who are making statements like this about the government, about her finances, and all the rest of it are throwing out mud to defame and to slander, but they have no factual basis. To look at only those “opinions” and baseless comments, whether about Amma or anything else in life will get you or any of us… nowhere.

“Unity” is as closed to other people experiences and hearing their stories as she said this blog is. She or he gives you link to the total one sided, negative slander page, all that is nothing to do with equanimity, open sharing, open conversation and seeing the all sides of the story. At least in this blog all people can openly speak their experiences, without one sided slander. Truth seeker dont take sides but looks out from the window with equal eyes and finds out their own truth and wisdom, in true Unity there is no sides and fences, as long as there is, there is no living in Unity.

Comparing Jesus to amma is taking it too far. Jesus is the greatest healer known to mankind. His background is the Torah, the word of God. He did not teach eastern philosophy. He spoke of one God and no God before or after him, no living in the flesh ‘god’s’ as eastern devotees worship. In fact, it would seem that he would have had great difficulty in accepting Hindu religious practices. He was born into the Jewish nation not in India and no mention at all of having guru conditioning or worshiping any living human being. He did not preach about reincarnation. All men were equal in his eyes; no sign of a chaste system. The Christian God does not include deceased Rabbi’s sending messages through oracles. There is no connection, period.

witness has posted above that open dialogue should be done “without one sided slander”. Excuse me, but that was exactly my point. The post for discussion on the supposedly open dialogue blog gave only one side! The link I mentioned offers the other side. Are you willing enough to look at both sides of an issue in order to actually have an open discussion? It would seem you are contradicting your own point. And so it seems,as well, that this blog is contradicting their claim to want open dialogue. That is my only point.

Dear Dialogue Ireland, I have done some research and looked into your work. I want to say that I totally understand your concern regarding cults. There are valid reasons to be concerned about such groups and there have indeed been horrible results from some of these misleading and even dangerous groups. So I do applaud your concern.

Now, however, I would like to challenge you to also do YOUR research….

I hope you do not let that concern get out of balance and that it turn into a “witch hunt” which could be just as disastrous. If you think that the Amma organization is a cult, I would urge you to be very thorough and check it out for yourself as you have done with other organizations.

She has been recognized by the United Nations, important groups and leaders all over the world. Do you really think they do not look into these things before backing such organizations? Please don’t let your concerns turn into an irrational judgement. Please do some real research on this one.

Gail Tredwell was a very crafty yet unbalanced person, and as a result, has lashed out in an attempt to defame this group. There is already a ton of facts and evidence about this on the Internet. Those who support her are all people who have agendas to discredit anything that has to do with spirituality, those who are communist, and a whole pile of people with personal agendas. The one who helped her write the books thinks all the religious figures are ETs eating “loosh” or some such nonsense. Do you really think that is a credible source of information? The book has caused a huge stir, not because it has “revealed” anything, but because of the very explosive situation in India that is in a political mess(which Gail knew) and all sorts of factions play into this. It is a VERY complicated situation.

I challenge you to really do some honest and hard core research on this one, not from hearsay of those who want to defame Gurus,Hindus, religions of any kind, and all the rest of it, but from actual fact-based research. Then, if you come up with REAL information against this organization, God bless you. But I think you might be stepping into a big mess on this one that is way beyond what you expected.

Again, I respect your interest in trying to dissuade people from getting hooked into cults, but please be sure something really is a negative cult situation before you launch forth.

Ummm…did you bother to read my very initial post I made here? I gave a website originally, it’s shown there above..in fact one of your first posters gave a link. There are a number of the ammascandal.wordpress sites with piles of information from all sorts of people….credible people and facts. Have you bothered to thoroughly checked it out? Why would you be asking me to give you the information? Do you want facts, or just opinions. don’t take my word for it or anyone else, take responsibility and do the work….do the real research. You are setting yourself up as a “judge”..and as such, I would assume you would base judgments on facts…that is IF you really are wanting to find out truth….rather than simply “bashing” others for no valid reason. Or have all your previous statements about various other organizations been only based on “opinions” and hearsay as well? You had no problem copying out the bogus information above advertising Gail’s book . Now how about copying out the reams on information that gives a huge amount of background and factual information on the site I mentioned. You have posted Gail’s “opinions” and “claims”, now post the truth about who she really is, who the people are who are backing her and what her motives really were, and the facts of the organization.

Really if you are setting yourself up to judge others and organizations I would assume you are first taking the initiative to base such judgments on facts…which you did not present. That’s been my objection from the beginning. I did not come onto this blog initially to defend the Amma organization….I posted because I saw a conflict between your claims and what you were actually presenting and doing. I was hoping you could clarify that.

Maybe I made a mistake and misunderstood your actual agenda and you aren’t really interested in truth. If I misunderstood I apologize for my blunder. I really was thinking you are sincere and credible. I saw you in a documentary, and was impressed…. Impressed, but perhaps mistaken…

Blogs you referred to above such as “Guruphiliac” is run by someone who claims to be a devotee of the Goddess Kali, has clearly fried his brains on drugs and all sorts of other indulgences( which you would probably not want me to mention here)… and his blog site is full of his “devotees” vulgar postings and people simply enjoying competing with each other making crude meaningless statements. It’s a “bashing” club… Is THAT what you consider valid information? .The FACT of all that is ..not a rumor, but a fact that you can easily find on the computer…even interviews of him mindlessly rattling away…..so again, on what information do you base your pronouncements ….? Can you not understand why I am questioning and wondering??

So again I start to wonder just what you are really trying to do here?? I really do hope you are sincere about your “mission”, but I have to seriously wonder when looking at what you are relying on. In all these postings, and your complaints about MY long posts, you have not once responded to the point at hand…..if you are credible, why are you not looking at valid information about your topic?

Perhaps you could explain what you really do believe in and what is the real motivation behind this blog? At least then people would have a fair chance to respond in kind.

I’m sure you well know “those who are judging will be judged”, and if you point one finger at someone else, the rest are pointing back at you. I do not want to criticize you..and I don’t like having to judge you or to surmise what on earth you are trying to do here. But you are presenting something that “appears” not to be as credible as you claim and it would be nice if you could dissolve that appearance with some honest statements and facts…I am really hoping that you see clearly what you are really doing and that your intentions are pure. If not, then of course you are clearly in good company with blogs like Jody Raznik of Guruphiliac., and many other “haters” of anything good. Do you know that he even stated that if Christ made a claim to be any more “spiritual” than anyone else, he would do the same thing to him that he is doing to other teachers…..in other words, if he were alive when Christ was on earth, he would have joined in on the Crucifixion. Does that not trouble you even a little? Or perhaps you also do not believe in the Divinity of Christ? It is really hard to tell what you believe at this point. I apologize, but I can only go by what is being presented.

It’s a bit funny, Gail has gone on a “mission” to discredit Amma and her organization. She is cleaver enough to “couch” that mission in all sorts of “cover” stories, which keep changing and contradicting each other. You would know that already if you had been willing to look into the situation yourself. One of her arguments is to say that the “amma people” are simply trying to discredit her. The joke is that she is the one who did the discrediting. And if you slander someone, do you not expect people to come forward with the truth? Amma herself will not defend herself and has not said one negative word about Gail, only that she loves her and forgives her,and asks others to do the same. Amma has been “attacked” in every way her whole life..physically and otherwise. She has never defended herself. And she has asked others not to. But out of hurt and anger, people are human and have come forwards, not because they are being “forced” or “told” to, but out of their own initiative. Not only devotees, but people from all parts of society who know about Amma and her work. You would know all of this and a whole lot more if you wanted to know. Amma finally had to make a general public statement about the situation when it began to turn into some kind of war between all kinds of factions in India. But again, you would know all this if you were interested.

I could fill up your entire site with actual information about all this…..or you could simply take a bit of initiative and do the research yourself since you are the one making accusations….. accusations based on air, at this point.

I could fill up your entire site with actual information about all this…..or you could simply take a bit of initiative and do the research yourself since you are the one making accusations….. accusations based on air, at this point.

You have again written a number of pages and instead of presenting an alternative position have asked me to do your job for you. If you present a fully researched piece we will publish it it as a post. We are not required to research anything other than provide a forum which currently has received the most visits on our site we have ever had. We will not censor anything you wish to say, but must remind you have already made direct defamatory comments on people here.
In other words we are not here to research every group but provide a platform for those who wish to suggest that AMMA is exercising undue influence on people.
What you call facts are your opinion as the people who claim their facts on Amma are giving us facts which are in turn their opinion.
So the answer is please prepare a post for publication and we will check and publish your rebuttal of this current one:

I could fill up your entire site with actual information about all this…

“Unity” in this page you can say anything either good or bad about the book, but that slander page (link what you gave) is not for conversation . Im not interested about any kind of personal slander, no matter what.
In generally about this blog, I dont know….have only read this review.
Anyway, I can relate some what to both sides because of my own experiences, not because of anyones else saying. Still I dont take sides, but I will openly talk about things…either good or bad yes.

Sorry, but I’m not quite clear on your comment. When you mention “the link what you gave”,as a slander page, which link are you referring to….the Guruphiliac site? Or..? And when you said “In general about this blog, I don’t know….have only read this review” again, would you kindly clarify……it wasn’t clear to me….just trying to sort this out to understand better. Thanks….

“Unity” I think I saw you recommending to take a look about this ammascandal worldpress site (sorry my english is not perfect…I try my best to be clear). And Im referring to this book review blog, that at least in here open conversation is possible.
And what comes to Guruphiliac site, I havent recommend even that to anyone because I have personally nothing to prove to anyone.
Im not sure, if you try to opposite me…. but whatever….many people want to belong to one club or another, Im not interested.

I do appreciate the two responses above. I have to apologize one more time,however, for I am still finding this left in a bit of a quandary. As previously said, I did not post on here to “defend” one side or the other, but to try to understand the contradiction seen here in your claims.

An advertisement promoting Tredwell’s book is posted above, including links such as Guruphiliac, and similar sources, all giving only one side of a rather slanderous situation. In order to have a fair discussion, would it not seem important and logical to offer information that gives a counter opinion so it can be evaluated and honestly and fairly discussed? Would not a fair “dialogue” offer full information for discussion? Would not a fair dialogue present all sides for discussion? But so be it…

You have requested that the discussion be respectful, refraining from personal attacks. But yet,, as I read down all the above comments, I see continuous attack on anyone who is trying to offer an opinion in defense of the MA Math or which tries to counter the book. For example, a Prof. Nair makes a respectful comment offering his views and dialogueirland ,Feb.21 does not make a rational response, only an attack to “Dr. Who?” Look at your comment to Rajesh,Feb 23….and so it goes. Regarding a site that offers information countering Gail’s book, it is referred to as “a whole list of people “crapping” over Tredwell.” Shall I give more examples?

I’m sorry, but what conclusion is one to draw from this? Do you not see how contrary this all appears to your claims? Do you not see the bias it presents? I really do not want to question or attack your site. I have thought that your work in trying to help people may be out of an honest and sincere motive, But what I see here regrettably gives one pause to wonder. …not based on opinion, but through the “facts” of what I see presented here.

I have found a site that gives an evaluation of the book mentioned, and as far as I know, it is given by someone who is not a devotee or involved with that ashram….it seems to give an intelligent evaluation…an alternative view.

I am sure you will not be willing to include the article in full (in order to give some alternative views)….rather I can only assume you will discount it in some way. It does seem sadly clear that you are not really interested in any information other than opinions that will promote Gail Tredwell’s views. I do personally feel your work would be much better served if you were willing to provide honest and complete information.

P.S. to Angie….India is not “known as the most unsafe country for women.” It happens to be Afghanistan.

Unity,
We know that you want us to promote ‘your’ views but try to act as if you were a disinterested observer!

I do appreciate the two responses above. I have to apologize one more time,however, for I am still finding this left in a bit of a quandary. As previously said, I did not post on here to “defend” one side or the other, but to try to understand the contradiction seen here in your claims.

You have again filled two pages and not advanced any argument. We have offered you the right of reply, but all you do is keep saying the same things. Either write a post we will publish or leave us in peace.
Write a reply and quote anything you like but it is not our role to put up your links for you. They are here for people to read. We do not censor them.

You wrote further:

For example, a Prof. Nair makes a respectful comment offering his views and dialogueirland ,Feb.21 does not make a rational response, only an attack to “Dr. Who?”

This is what he actually wrote and I noted his IP.
Prof. P. S. Nair, on February 21, 2014 at 8:01 am said: Edit Comment

Amma has been in the fortefront as a spiritual Guru for more than 50 years globally. If she were a cheat, time would have exposed her long ago as it happened to many such ‘ Gurus’.

The author’s credentials are questionable. Why did she take more than two decades to understand the truth about Amma and the Asram ? It is too long a time and she was not in a jail.Then, why did she take 15 years to write a memoir ? Being a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba, I am not surprised. There were stories about Sai as well. These allegations appear like air bubbles. Jesus, Prophet Mohammad and even Lord Krishna were not spared. It is well known that there exists agencies which promote these kinds of perverted approaches thru handsome monetory rewards.

Prof. P.S. Nair

This is what I wrote:

dialogueireland, on February 21, 2014 at 9:56 am said: Edit Comment

How much were you paid?
Dr Who!
If Prof why not actually address the issues?

He like yourself merely asserts positions and gives no evidence. I raised the issue as to his academic qualifications to address this issue. Dr Who? He has added nothing further of value and I take the view he has nothing other than his opinion to offer so whether he has a doctorate or not is irrelevant.
You do remember the old joke about BA (Failed)

Yes Unity let us look at the views put forward by Rajesh, on February 22, 2014 at 8:14 pm said:

This may be a grand design by christian missionaries and church groups who wanted to lead a campaign against MA MATH to thrash their growing clout among christian members .This is a malafide campaign and the writer itself in mental illusion,MA Math will overcome this situation.

or again: Rajesh, on February 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm said:

The west is looking to oriental cultures like India.Thousands of churches are closed down in Europe.India is the land they are looking for spiritual peace and harmony.If there is any lapses in MA math functioning it should be investigated.But not on the way its celebrated by anti Hindu forces.Was there everything fine in European and Anglican churches.What all nonsenses reported against the clergy including child abusing and homosexuality which are banned by Catholic church itself quite long time.Let thos who haven’t done any crime throw stones.Not by those who already spreading message of evangelizing the entire Indian subcontinent by exploiting the poverty in India.MA.Math is a big threat for evangelisation and religions conversion of church groups so they are targeted specifically.Evangelisation is also dangerous as like talibanism in another way by destroying the local culture and customs and enforcing Anglican and roman church ethos in India.Dont forget Indians are more than 5000 years history where Christianity is having just 2000 years.The Govt In India having enough measures to investigate any illegal activities happens in MA Math.The western people should safeguard themselves before jump into any ventures by hearing Yoga,Ayurveda,Veda etc with out proper study.

dialogueireland, on February 23, 2014 at 6:33 pm said:
My reply suggests this is an attempt to divert. You give the impression it is otherwise.

Give us a break and stop going off the subject.
This is VHP and RSS propaganda. Bring in the Tantric Lamaist Dalai Lama to show you how to do it!
Who killed Gandhi?

I am sure you will not be willing to include the article in full (in order to give some alternative views)….rather I can only assume you will discount it in some way.

No we will not publish this article as a separate post but it is published here so any one that wishes to read it can. Also you can get Prof. P.S. Nair once he explains what his expertise is and to which University or College he is attached to write a considered response to the post not meandering comments. Also as I wrote earlier you can submit an article. However, if you write again asking for balance I will totally ignore your comment.Either write a reply or get off the stage.

in response to “all you do is keep saying the same thing” I can only say “ditto”. The people you’ve quoted above have offered their views and opinions, just as all the above posters have. That’s what most people consider as “dialogue”. Apparently you have a different view on that, and clearly not interested in open dialogue, but in promoting some sort of one-sided agenda….. anyone you disagree with, you simply throw out demeaning comments. Sorry to see that, and the way you are treating posters. But at this point, you have finally made it clear where you stand.

You have decided to not take up the option to write up a reply. Further attempts to divert will be relocated to our commenting section. You have been offered an uncensored right to post here. The matter is now closed.

i heartily agree with you sadasivan, my father thought the same thing. and i did. but i was so stupid enough to believe in one fake guru when i was very vulnerable due to family problems when i was in my early 20s. this bastard has been using maya on me ever since. it is only when i stopped chanting his guru mantra that i finally accepted the truth that he is nothing but FAKE. how can anyone absorb anyone’s karma? and he predicted his death in 2010 but it happened in 2005. he arranged marriages between people who didn’t like each other quoting karma. a devotee of his who was believed in him saw him do sth to a female and he said that she misunderstood – indeed????? it reminds me of nityananda…didn’t he millions of followers and i remember others..no there is only God and nothing else..the rest are all fake. people who have some powers due to their prayers etc – sth which anyone can have!!!!1

Just finished reading Gail’s book. Wanted to support her stance, so looked for a site where it could be done without her X-guru’s followers sabotaging it. Thanks for letting us post here.

Indeed, she did take much longer than needed to break away from this unwholesome situation – but, she did it, and that’s why she deserves our kudos! May all, who belong to this cult, take things there with a grain of salt, they owe it to themselves.