I think the P5's are on borrowed time in the number 3 position. Considering some of the glowing reviews I'm rather surprised they edged out the Sony MDR ZX 700's. From reading the various reviews I'm wondering if the Sennheiser HD 25-1 II will ever be dethroned from the coveted number one position. These reviews have made me curious to hear the AKG K181 DJ and the Sony MDR ZX 700.

Hey IJokerI in your opinion which can gives deeper reaching and better bass control the K181 DJ's or the Phiaton MS400's?

I haven't compared them directly, but I would say they both have their faults in the bass. The MS400 are a tad muddier but relaxed sounding. The K181 are sharper and more impactful but I felt lacked body behind it.

If you notice, those reviews are for buying it to use the headband with the KSC75. That's the only thing they're good for and IMO, they're not that good for that. A headband mod for the KSC75 cuts down their portability quite a bit. If you could find a $2 headphone with a folding headband that fit the KSC75, that would be great.

If you notice, those reviews are for buying it to use the headband with the KSC75. That's the only thing they're good for and IMO, they're not that good for that. A headband mod for the KSC75 cuts down their portability quite a bit. If you could find a $2 headphone with a folding headband that fit the KSC75, that would be great.

The Parts Express Mini headphone is awesome. I think the one reason it gets such terrible reviews here is that they're not using it with a High quality Tube amp. Mine also needed 146 hours of burn-in to clear up it's sound. When I modded it's earpads, it's soundstage is probably about half the size of the HD-800.

Sound quality depends on source too. I need to upgrade my DAC and I'm sure it will sound even better.

I haven't compared them directly, but I would say they both have their faults in the bass. The MS400 are a tad muddier but relaxed sounding. The K181 are sharper and more impactful but I felt lacked body behind it.

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Originally Posted by ljokerl

The K181.

Thanks for the info guys looks like I've got some thinking to do for future purchases. Much respect to you joker for the work and time you put into the review it was quite informative.

I'm not dying to hear anything else from V-Moda after the original Crossfade.

Well forgive me but you said that the crossfade are perfect in every aspect besides the sound! Some people say that the M-80 sound better than the original crossfade and are over the ear design instead of circumaural. One of those people was Jude so maybe his words stand for something.

ilounge states

"The new version is definitely better. Crossfade LP used 50mm dual-diaphragm drivers, and was pitched as a listening solution backed by professional DJs, but to this day, we can’t put on the otherwise beautiful headset without feeling as if our ear canals are being flooded by the deliberately clubby, overwhelming sound. It was isolating and engrossing, but sometimes too much to handle, sonically.

Crossfade M-80 and V-80 preserve the passive noise isolation capabilities of LP, but they’re sonically different from LP, shrinking to 40mm dual-diaphragm drivers without compromising in depth or staging. While V-Moda hasn’t given up on pushing the mid-bass and bass above their natural levels, the treble and midrange aren’t completely drowned out with these headphones, so there’s a greater sense of being able to hear the original details in your songs."

Well forgive me but you said that the crossfade are perfect in every aspect besides the sound! Some people say that the M-80 sound better than the original crossfade and are over the ear design instead of circumaural. One of those people was Jude so maybe his words stand for something.

ilounge states

"The new version is definitely better. Crossfade LP used 50mm dual-diaphragm drivers, and was pitched as a listening solution backed by professional DJs, but to this day, we can’t put on the otherwise beautiful headset without feeling as if our ear canals are being flooded by the deliberately clubby, overwhelming sound. It was isolating and engrossing, but sometimes too much to handle, sonically.

Crossfade M-80 and V-80 preserve the passive noise isolation capabilities of LP, but they’re sonically different from LP, shrinking to 40mm dual-diaphragm drivers without compromising in depth or staging. While V-Moda hasn’t given up on pushing the mid-bass and bass above their natural levels, the treble and midrange aren’t completely drowned out with these headphones, so there’s a greater sense of being able to hear the original details in your songs."

If I want to know something about audio I get reviews from an audio specific site like this one and take what a tech site says with a grain salt. iLounge is far from a great source for headphone reviews,

If I want to know something about audio I get reviews from an audio specific site like this one and take what a tech site says with a grain salt. iLounge is far from a great source for headphone reviews,

Ofcourse. but these are yet to be widely available so i read what big tech sites have to say. After all they are right with their opinion about the crossfade LP. they say that the M80 are not the same as the bass-circus of the LP. They got the LP right so their opinion counts more. If they said that the LP are fantastic and so are the M80 then i would have to pass.

The Parts Express Mini headphone is awesome. I think the one reason it gets such terrible reviews here is that they're not using it with a High quality Tube amp. Mine also needed 146 hours of burn-in to clear up it's sound. When I modded it's earpads, it's soundstage is probably about half the size of the HD-800.

Sound quality depends on source too. I need to upgrade my DAC and I'm sure it will sound even better.

I recabled mine with silver too. This really brings out the treble.

This post needs a little more sarcasm, it's not "Head-Fi-y" enough yet