I think Kalon and Lindzi would have won if they were allowed to get to the final 2. The others in the house would have taken into account the fact that they had become a real couple and that makes them likeable. Plus Lindzi's goodness makes up for Kalon's negative qualities. Put them up against any other couple left in the house and they have the votes.

Not sure what show I was watching but had no idea how close Rachel and Jaclyn are (were). Rachel obviously did not fight hard enough for her. 'Cause IMO, it was a toss up.

Ditto. I didn't realize either but then again, I haven't paid really that close attention to the relationship that folks have had to each other or alliances, other than the couples themselves.

When I checked last night, some folks on ABC's Bachelor Pad message board were totally bashing Jaclyn as always. I kinda agree w/them. Jaclyn was just angry but didn't think strategically about why they were sent home.

First episode I've ever seen of this show (my wife watches it), but it seemed to me that Chris and his partner were not well liked, so it would make sense to bring them to the finals. How is the winner chosen at the finals? Is it a vote by the kicked-out people, kind of like on Survivor?

yea, how could you not take Chris to the final. I thought that Jaclyn made a Bit of a fool of herself assuming that friendship would or should play a part (maybe if all else is equal but that never happens). It's a game show! The object is to win the freakin money!

For some reason Chris is back online on Facebook today and posting away, the moratorium (that started back when he was on the Bachelorette) on social media posting must be over. Next week will be pretty F'ing cool if what I understands happens happens.

First episode I've ever seen of this show (my wife watches it), but it seemed to me that Chris and his partner were not well liked, so it would make sense to bring them to the finals. How is the winner chosen at the finals? Is it a vote by the kicked-out people, kind of like on Survivor?

Yes, Chris trampled the heart of Jamie and caused some big issues w/Blakely. But, Blakely was a control-freak partner from hell. I recall Chris lied a bunch of times too. He played a pretty shady game.

In the past, they vote as you describe to pick the winning team.

Then, they had an exercise for the two remaining members on whether they'd either take all the $ or share it w/their partner. Depending on the vote, outcomes could be: they share it (if both vote share), one takes all (if one votes keep for themselves and other votes share), or neither gets anything and it's distributed to all the losers (both vote to take it all and not share).

They were both taken to separate rooms and couldn't discuss w/each other what to do. In two of the cases, their friendships might be over, unless maybe in the one takes all case, the other decides to share it, after the show.

Since they've done this 2x already, it's not clear if they'll do that exercise again.

I think taking Chris and Sarah was the only sound move strategy wise. They were not well liked in the house, probably more because of Chris. Don't forget Chris also hooked up with I believe 3 or 4 different girls, tried to turn on a number of people, etc.

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Next week will be pretty F'ing cool if what I understands happens happens.

I feel like I want to know but then again I want to be in suspense for next week.

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I think taking Chris and Sarah was the only sound move strategy wise. They were not well liked in the house, probably more because of Chris. Don't forget Chris also hooked up with I believe 3 or 4 different girls, tried to turn on a number of people, etc.

To me, it's a tough call. Even though Chris really messed w/women and IIRC, he betrayed a bunch of people, one could argue he played the game better.

I never followed Nick much, but it seemed like he just skated by. I guess the same can be said for Rachel, right? She got to where she was because of Stagliano.

So, I think people are going to be divided by who played the game better and really deserves to be there vs. who pissed me off?

To me, it's a tough call. Even though Chris really messed w/women and IIRC, he betrayed a bunch of people, one could argue he played the game better.

I never followed Nick much, but it seemed like he just skated by. I guess the same can be said for Rachel, right? She got to where she was because of Stagliano.

So, I think people are going to be divided by who played the game better and really deserves to be there vs. who pissed me off?

But for Nick and Rachel the choice is who would can I beat in the end, Chris/Sarah or Jaclyn/Ed. I think most people like Ed (minus Reed). You are talking about the final vote as it stands and I am talking about the what ifs on the final vote.

It won't surprise me to see Chris win due to him trying to play the game as long as he doesn't get pompous and too full of himself, but if given enough rope he will hang himself.

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But for Nick and Rachel the choice is who would can I beat in the end, Chris/Sarah or Jaclyn/Ed. I think most people like Ed (minus Reed). You are talking about the final vote as it stands and I am talking about the what ifs on the final vote.

It won't surprise me to see Chris win due to him trying to play the game as long as he doesn't get pompous and too full of himself, but if given enough rope he will hang himself.

Right... Ed and Jaclyn are likely more well liked/less hated than Chris. I don't remember how many people hated Sarah. So yeah, it seems that if they took Ed and Jaclyn, they (Nick and Rachel) would lose.

Up against Chris, it's tough to say, since some people will either hate him and not support him (e.g. Jamie and Blakely) and some might argue that he played the game well vs. people that floated thru or get there on the backs of others.

The phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game" has never been more true!!

Not to mention how the audience loved it. As did I!

Btw, that is one aspect of the game I completely forgot about. And Nick made a great point by asking the jury why none of them has ever said I'm here to win 125k.

I didn't love it and am a bit puzzled as to why the audience did.

I do agree on your last point.

I am surprised that they used this same test/final challenge that they used before. I figured that the two of them would've had the conversation (and it seems they did) but Nick decided to screw Rachel.

I don't think Nick deserves the money as it seems he really did fly under the radar. But yeah, trainwreck indeed.

I am surprised that they used this same test/final challenge that they used before. I figured that the two of them would've had the conversation (and it seems they did) but Nick decided to screw Rachel.

I don't think Nick deserves the money as it seems he really did fly under the radar. But yeah, trainwreck indeed.

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Nick was treated like the red-headed step child all season. Rachel felt she "deserved" all the money and that Nick did nothing to get to the end, so if she had thought she could get away with it she would have taken all the money too.

Like Kalon said, be careful when you use the word "deserve", they are all just players in a game. It's not a Nobel peace prize.

The person who played the game the best is the one who should win. And he did.

I think that they telegraphed the ending with the previews. Once it was clear that the relationship between Michael and Rachel was over, there was no other reason that she would have been upset as they showed. Good on Nick for playing the game to perfection. I'm not sure why anyone would think that he'd feel bad about it.

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If they had sprung this "twist" on them at the end, and that was the outcome, I'd have absolutely no problem with how he played it. But if they had done this before, and Nick and Rachel had previously discussed how they would choose in that situation, and they both agreed to pick SHARE, and then Nick betrayed her, then it's definitely uncool.

The fact that Nick simply left the stage, said a few words to Rachel, and then got the the limo and bailed without talking to any of the other houseguests shows that he clearly realized he has been a dooshbag.

If they had sprung this "twist" on them at the end, and that was the outcome, I'd have absolutely no problem with how he played it. But if they had done this before, and Nick and Rachel had previously discussed how they would choose in that situation, and they both agreed to pick SHARE, and then Nick betrayed her, then it's definitely uncool.

The fact that Nick simply left the stage, said a few words to Rachel, and then got the the limo and bailed without talking to any of the other houseguests shows that he clearly realized he has been a dooshbag.

Surprisingly, they've used this exact same challenge w/the same outcomes and same method of picking (separate rooms, each w/2 signs) in all previous seasons of BP. It sure seems like Nick and Rachael discussed it earlier and agreed to share given the confrontation outside the stage.

I wonder how much 'show' there was in this though. With the MANY repeated previews of the spazzing from the very end of the show, and IIRC a long "previously on" at the beginning, seemed like not much show for 2 hrs.. (and I'm not even counting the many recaps during the guts of the show)