I am only in read only mode here most of the time but as a long time emule user I cannot let this stay un-commented:

Sorry, but the conclusion HKM draws from the limits in Kad network is not convincing. Ed2k servers are not considered to be the backbone anymore, Kad does function completely independent from ed2k network.While it's true that it takes up to several hours until all your files and keywords are published, which is indeed a disadvantage compared to the servers, it is however not a significant problem.The reasons are: 1. The average user is sharing only a few hundred files which makes the process not to take that much time. Rather few people are sharing significantly more than 1000 files (Soft limit of servers is also often not higher).2. Most emule users let their client run for at least several hours. (A reason for this is that this time is often needed to walk through the upload queue of your sources, so you get "decent" download speed only when you've waited some time.) This will make up for the slow indexing process in Kad.3. It's important that it doesn't only take long time to store information on Kad, but this information also remains there for a long time. Keywords for example are deleted by their "hosting" clients only after they haven't been refreshed for AFAIK 12 hours. So if you close emule and restart some hours later many of your keys are still indexed.4. But the easiest way to see how well Kad works is just to peform some searches. If I go to the search window and search for something, when I select Kad the result is pretty much comparable (or even better) as when I select global server search, no matter if I search for popular or rare files.This proves that the slow indexing process is not rising such big problems that you are claiming it would, since at this point it is completely irrelevant if people are also connected to ed2k or not, as source exchange doesn't kick in here yet. So all the results I get are stored in the Kad network (despite that it may have taken some time to store them). When I then select a file to download and emule searches for sources, only there the source exchange kicks in and it will be hard to tell if I would have found the file also on Kad, or ed2k or both. But still many sources are found clearly via Kad itself.

You say that this issue has been long discussed in amule/emule forum but in fact you are the only person that claims that Kad is not working well because of the reasons you mentioned. No developer nor any modder has agreed that it is really a major problem and so far you failed to prove that Kad wouldn't work well if all servers were gone. It's just an assumption by you that nobody shares.

FServ you are a retard. Probably you are a socially inept person who had no childhood and nowadays you don't have anything else to do than go to some forums and write some stupidity. You say that you can read code and because of this you think that you are better than everyone else. So can I, and probably many many people in this forum.

I hate retards like you, you are a shame for all programmers, people like you are the ones who make everybody think of programmers like some socially inept assholes. I have got friends, I have a social life, and I don't go to forums to spit crap.

Probably you feel clever after writing comments like "you can't read code" or "you can't write a simple program". Not everybody on the world is a programmer(fortunately), but there are also people who have some other job. What if somebody would come here and start saying that you can't read DNA or you don't have an idea of some subject.

And about the things tiny4eva was writing about. Probably he read some mislabeled books. Edonkey servers have nothing to do with transfers between firewalled users through udp. There is no firewall-to-firewall transfer on ed2k. The only ed2k/ed2k-clone clients supporting that thing are only Overnet(it had an own network for it and it did not do it through the servers, but it's own network), and some eMule mods(like the newest NeoMule, which I have not tested yet, and probably I won't and some kind of italian mod, I don't remember it's name). But none of these are compatible with each other which is the reason for the problem.

And one more thought to FServ. People like you always say read the code(for example of some really large program or emule or anything), not all people have time for it, since most people have to work for a living or go to school or have some other more important duties. Maybe your hobby is reading code, good for you. You should meet the person on this picture.

And my last word is that I find slyck a more intelligent place than most other p2p news sites. I hope I did not hurt the feelings of anybody.

Are a couple of the UseNext threads, they are kind of an entertaining read actually. After perousing through there a year ago...I would definately say, I would never purchase their service...not when I use the Rolls Royce of Usenet - Giganews!!

Are you comparing them to a Rolls because they run as fast and as smoothly as one or is it because their subscriptions equal to a downpayment on one ?

Damn I missed this the first time reading through...HA!

And yes...Rolls Royce...in both respects, they are fast and smooth, and one of the most expensive...but I feel it's worth it

There is no massive Server Drought in the ed2k network.servers list (safe) [url-http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47457]Questions about eDonkey2000/Kad/eMule[/url]see first post After SlyckTom

tiny4eva wrote:The kad network seems to me to be the future for that network but you need to come up with a better way of getting nodes than browsing loads of dodgy websites and finding fakes. You could always take a leaf out of winmx's book their. That process is exactly how winmx works. each peer cache is connected to the network, as each client requests a nodes list its filtered from the network to the client and blam your online. Spread them all over the world and you have a very difficult network to close down.

Lets just call this thing "the community of certain p2p clients connected by big centralized ed2k-servers, the distributed mini-server network of clients via the KAD protocoll and direct client-to-client ed2k connections".

Or "the thing".

Where are the good old times when you called a p2p network by its only client's name ?Damn diversity.

Let me ask this question from the perspective of a newcomer to the P2P world - and that person's file-sharing app of choice happens to be eMule...

If that person is just starting off, could or should they be reasonably expected to master the concept of ED2K server lists, or should they just stick with KAD? With the latest eMule version, you don't even have to worry about bootstrapping or finding peers. Just plug and play...

OU, I know you're a big fan of the old ED2K network - so am I...but it seems that acquiring and maintaining a server list is a major hassle these days. Perhaps that's a skill better learned in time...if there are any remaining in the days and years to come.

SlyckTom wrote:Let me ask this question from the perspective of a newcomer to the P2P world - and that person's file-sharing app of choice happens to be eMule...

If that person is just starting off, could or should they be reasonably expected to master the concept of ED2K server lists, or should they just stick with KAD? With the latest eMule version, you don't even have to worry about bootstrapping or finding peers. Just plug and play...

The only problem with that is that the most widely used mod Emule Plus http://emuleplus.info and others don't connect to kad some more mods here http://www.emule-mods.de/?mods=start. There are over one hundred different mods. Maybe this will be overcome in the future and all mods will support kad. There is also lots of other clients with ed2k support such as Shareaza and others that do not connect to kad. Time will tell.

SlyckTom wrote:But here's the thing...you say ED2K is dead... I know it's not technically correct to call Kad "ED2K"...but isn't eMule/kad still known as ED2K? Or has there been a break with tradition?

I personally stopped using "ED2K" a good while ago even though eMule effectively bootstrapped Kad off it.

I just use "eMule" or "eMule/Kad" or "Kad" as shorthand for all of that because the edonkey2000, overnet, amule, shareaza, mldonkey, etc clients are really just bit-part players these days and the eMule team were the first and easily the most succesful implementors of the "Kad" DHT style network.