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]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:04:28 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210889#post210889
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210889#post210889Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:04:28 +1200lingerhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210891#post210891
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210891#post210891foul.)
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:15:15 +1200Tim Michiehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210892#post210892
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210892#post210892Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:17:26 +1200Michael Savidgehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210893#post210893
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210893#post210893Seems to me that this suits National very well going into an election. They're flying in the polls, are likely to be in a strong position to either govern alone or with Dunne/Act support. Thereafter they have the numbers to swing right and really get their agenda going.

There's also been some interesting chats at my work on whether there'll be grounds for…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:31:35 +1200Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210901#post210901
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210901#post210901@Tim – With respect (and I’m prepared to be wrong) I’m not sure if you do remember rightly, I think ACT has always had this dilemma. I don’t think Douglas is exactly a dyed in the wool libertarian. The focus has always been far more about economic liberalism (Unfinished Business),…
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:41:24 +1200Andrew Ehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210902#post210902
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210902#post210902“Labour will fight tooth and nail against the agenda of Don Brash and John Key"

Well, so far their fighting has been pretty toothless. Hopefully the nails will prove somewhat more effective.

Or to put it succinctly, Tea Party, with a dash of Consumers & Taxpayers Association. No, make that Consumers United…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:04:37 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210912#post210912
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210912#post210912Indeed – the internal contradictions have been there right from the very beginning.

There's also similar contradictions in the Greens — but they at least have some discipline and civility at the organisational and caucus levels.

Honestly, I think Labour has to do a lot better than "lookit, SEEKRITAGENDA" – again. Really, I think people have gotten sick of waiting for John Key to reveal he's actually Ruth Richardson…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:08:21 +1200Andrew Ehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210916#post210916
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210916#post210916Agreed. Especially as large numbers of people appear (for reasons which I have yet to divine) to have no objection to doing the Time Warp again.

Perhaps Labour could focus on the line that says, "It's a jump to the left"

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:12:55 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210924#post210924
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210924#post210924Not likely to change under Brash either, who left under the cloud of scandal

Lest we forget the dodgy dealings of Brash, Key, Joyce and their brethren, NZ On Screen has posted the full length Hollow Men for all to view (embedded, 149MB for first clip of 5).

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:21:51 +1200Matthew Poolehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210926#post210926
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210926#post210926ACT could have been history if only a few thousand Labour voters in Epsom could look past traditional tribal enmity to the big MMP picture.

In 2005, yes, since Hide's majority was very much smaller than the Labour/Green candidates' votes total.In 2008, not a chance. Rodney's majority in 2008…

It's notoriously difficult to hammer that last nail in when you're pinning yourself to a cross, but I have faith that Phil Goff will manage it with his usual grace.

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:33:12 +1200Andrew Chttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210931#post210931
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210931#post210931This time around, same thing. Good publicity, you could argue, having your new leader declaring his intentions on every media outlet available – even ‘Perigo’ FFS. But from the outside it makes the fringe right look fractured, compromised, messy. We’ve seen the uncertainty, the machinations – will it be John…
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:47:48 +1200Bart Janssenhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210932#post210932
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210932#post210932I've always wondered why anyone would vote for ACT. I'm still wondering.

I actually know the answer to that because I have a friend (whom I really still do like) who can't abide National for it's soft and spineless approach to economics in NZ. Act is almost right wing enough…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:49:02 +1200Andre Alessihttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210933#post210933
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210933#post210933I actually know the answer to that because I have a friend (whom I really still do like) who can’t abide National for it’s soft and spineless approach to economics in NZ. Act is almost right wing enough in their economic position to satisfy him.

Will be interesting to see how Key handles this to avoid bleeding votes to ACT without increasing total support for the centre-right. I still think Brash has low-value electability. His legendary "not mainstream NZers" pissed…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:02:34 +1200HORansomehttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210935#post210935
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210935#post210935John Ansell's breathtaking optimism that Brash will be PM after the next election is, well, gloriously mad, and it just gets better with every comment he makes.
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:07:13 +1200BlairMaccahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210936#post210936
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210936#post210936Will be interesting to see how Key handles this to avoid bleeding votes to ACT without increasing total support for the centre-right. I still think Brash has low-value electability. His legendary “not mainstream NZers” pissed a lot of people off across the spectrum.

I wouldn't be too sure, Brash did…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:07:17 +1200Rich of Observationzhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210937#post210937
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210937#post210937Damien, you probably know more about Auckland than I do, but I don't fully buy that Epsom is safe for whoever NACT decide to endorse.

There are going to be some Epsom voters who were happy with the Hide populist agenda and are going to be less happy with Brash.…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:13:38 +1200Paul Williamshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210939#post210939
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210939#post210939Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:17:17 +1200Paul Williamshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210940#post210940
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210940#post210940Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:20:53 +1200recordarihttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210944#post210944
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210944#post210944There are going to be some Epsom voters who were happy with the Hide populist agenda and are going to be less happy with Brash. Isn't it Banks for Epsom?

A Harley Davidson Street Aye Specialist.

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:37:35 +1200Raymond A Francishttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210946#post210946
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210946#post210946I am interested in the claim that Brash is a racistHis position is that he is not; he just believes everyone is equal which is hardly a racist position. What ever, it sure scared the bejesus out of the Labour government (or maybe the polls did!) who then took…
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:13:30 +1200James Butlerhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210947#post210947
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210947#post210947I am interested in the claim that Brash is a racist

Danyl has a very succinct summary of the argument here. PLUS we get to play Race-Based Policy Bingo in the comments!

Oh, and remind me who’s not ruling out getting back in bed with WInston Peters if that zombie apocalypse happens? Hint: It’s not Key. Throw in the visceral hatred a good chunk of Labour has for the Maori…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:53:15 +1200Clint Fernhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210952#post210952
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210952#post210952His position is that he is not;

The same position taken by Pauline Hanson and Nick Griffin.

While Brash is plainly not as extreme as those two, is as just as convincing in the "I'm not a racist but..." stakes.

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:59:36 +1200Paul Williamshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210953#post210953
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210953#post210953His position is that he is not; he just believes everyone is equal which is hardly a racist position

And ignores all the data which shows they're not. Not in terms of health, education, employment etc. So now what? Any number of indicators shows a significant proportion of the nation's…

No, and neither will screaming “racist” at anyone who suggests that the Maori seat may just have outlived their usefulness. You know, like we somehow managed to get past the idea that only property owners over the age of twenty-one…

Anyone else here thinks the Maori seats may have outlived their usefulness?

Craig has a mortgage on that. Given that all Maori have the choice of dis-establishing the Maori seats by voluntarily transferring to the general roll, can't we let the market sort this out ? Instead, Craig, Brash and…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:15:29 +1200Islanderhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210961#post210961
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210961#post210961In my whanau, we have steadily moved over onto the Tai Toka roll over the last 30 years: we now find that the younger generations, after learning histories (especially family histories) and thinking about things, prefer to enrol as Maori.So: "the market" is – sort of- sorting things out...
]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:34:02 +1200Rich Lockhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210963#post210963
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210963#post210963Just imagine Don Brash with Jessica Simpson's body. Go on, I dare you

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:44:33 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210966#post210966
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210966#post210966Given that all Maori have the choice of dis-establishing the Maori seats by voluntarily transferring to the general roll, can't we let the market sort this out ?

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:03:56 +1200Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210971#post210971
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210971#post210971Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:06:26 +1200Graeme Edgelerhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210973#post210973
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210973#post210973If you believe this, then can you please explain why Brash was happy for only Maori owners of title of the F&S should be treated differently from existing owners ?

The Don Brash National Party opposed the Foreshore and Seabed Act =)

Also, Maori and non-Maori owners of fee simple title…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:10:39 +1200B Joneshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210975#post210975
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210975#post210975Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:34:44 +1200B Joneshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210976#post210976
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210976#post210976Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:36:33 +1200Kyle Matthewshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210977#post210977
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210977#post210977I am assuming that National will want to keep ACT in play as a colation partner and will not attempt to take over its supporters as it tried to when Brash was leader.

The impact upon the overall right vote and where national positions itself is the interesting thing out…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:56:50 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210980#post210980
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210980#post210980Instead, Craig, Brash and others would rather get out the Stick of Paternal Coercion and remove them without some much as a “by your leave”. Why convince when you can override ?

Oh, go away and stop drama queening. You know that the Maori seats can only be abolished by…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 21:25:47 +1200Alex Colemanhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210981#post210981
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210981#post210981 You know that the Maori seats can only be abolished by Act of Parliament, which a pretty substantive “by your leave”.

So if Brash had won in 05 and abolished the seats, how would have that been with Maori leave? I not only don't recall him saying he was planning…

Yes possibly. But probably not going the other way. For such a small party, it's really had to build a pretty big tent to fit all it's arms in.

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:32:28 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210984#post210984
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210984#post210984So if Brash had won in 05 and abolished the seats, how would have that been with Maori leave?

First, Brash couldn’t have abolished a damn thing without the assent of a majority of Parliament. I might not have liked everything the Fifth Labour Government did – certainly never voted…

I'd take that with a sack of salt. All depends on how much of the vote they get – and what the shady backers of both parties tell their boy Key…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:51:11 +1200Alex Colemanhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210988#post210988
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210988#post210988Sorry if I was unclear Craig. I certainly never meant to imply that Maori were of a hive mind.

So are you saying that if he had of won a parliamentary majority then that would mean he had the assent of Maori to abolish the seats? Or that such an…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:54:06 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210990#post210990
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210990#post210990…I do think it’s only fair that the country knows what sort of position an extremist would be likely to hold in any future government.

That’s actually a perfectly reasonable question, but I really don’t think it’s one that can be made with much confidence. Those tiresome elections lay waste…

]]>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:53:16 +1200Russell Brownhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210991#post210991
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210991#post210991I’d take that with a sack of salt. All depends on how much of the vote they get – and what the shady backers of both parties tell their boy Key to do

Could someone just ask Brash about this?

It seems such a bloody obvious question. There's even been…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:16:42 +120081stcolumnhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210992#post210992
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210992#post210992Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:39:01 +1200DeepRedhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210993#post210993
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210993#post210993Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:29:54 +1200Paul Williamshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210994#post210994
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210994#post210994It would also be perfectly appropriate to simply ask Brash what contact he’s had with the party’s key funders, and which ones backed him. Even if he didn’t answer, there’s nothing wrong with asking about something that’s being alluded to by both friend and foe.

Actually, I think there's bundle…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:30:19 +1200DeepRedhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210995#post210995
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210995#post210995but the only comparable situation that I'm aware of occurred in Qld recently and has been referred to the State's corruption commission on the basis that it may have included offers of post parliamentary offices.

How recent? The Sir Joh era?

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:53:32 +1200Paul Williamshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210996#post210996
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210996#post210996No, a little more recent, 7 April this year in fact.

Short version: Brisbane's Lord Mayor, Campbell Newman, (equivalent to Len Brown) announced he'd simultaneous contest a parliamentary seat and also the leadership of the Liberal/National parliamentary coalition. There's a suggestion (leak) that the current leader of the Liberal/National Coalition…

Um, Paul — do we really need to go there? It's weird (and blackly comic) enough that we have a party whose presumptive leader isn't even…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:20:55 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210999#post210999
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=210999#post210999There's even been a reference from the Brash camp to the Epsom polls being bankrolled by a "longstanding admirer of Brash". Well, who?

Quite.

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:16:53 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211000#post211000
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211000#post211000we have a party whose presumptive leader isn't even a member yet

Brash joined up yesterday morning before the media conference. That it was merely a matter of 'procedure' before then shows what really counts and where power lies in that shady cesspit that has lain beneath both National and…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:19:23 +1200dc_redhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211001#post211001
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211001#post211001I mean, I think there is a place for Maori culture but why is it that we always use a semi-naked male, sometimes quite pale-skinned Maori, leaping around in, you know, mock battle?

That was the Don back invoking the blood quotient on 4 Sept, 2005. Or perhaps he was…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:36:22 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211002#post211002
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211002#post211002That it was merely a matter of ‘procedure’ before then shows what really counts and where power lies in that shady cesspit that has lain beneath both National and Act for years.

Oh, for God's sake... Seriously. Perhaps I've been living in some Fringe-like alternate universe, but Hide's performance --…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:37:55 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211003#post211003
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211003#post211003If we're keeping track of Brash's next set of blatant lies, this one from that Herald story has to be a doozy:

He was expecting to attract financial backers, but "I have none of that lined up".

Unless you have pulled strings at senior level like Boag or injected millions into both parties over the years like Gibbs, Shirtcliffe, Foreman et al then you simply don't count.

your "shadowy backers" (funny how right-wing parties…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:41:12 +1200BenWilsonhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211007#post211007
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211007#post211007shady cesspit. Yeah, I get an impression of a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering. Frankly, I find it very hard to believe that both Brash and Banks could be making such bold moves without even the slightest consultation with National, given that both have been very senior…
]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:43:13 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211008#post211008
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211008#post211008As but one example, leading Act functionary Brian Nicolle was one of Banks's key staff as Auckland Mayor.

There has long been a significant overlap of the right of National with Act. It might be interesting to hear more about what this latest move does for the tussle between the…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:47:34 +12003410http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211009#post211009
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211009#post211009Key has ruled out Brash of finance, and said it's 'highly unlikely' he'll get a top job

I'd take that with a sack of salt.

Totally. All he's saying is that it's highly unlikely he'd need to give him a top job.

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:50:37 +1200Tom Semmenshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211010#post211010
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211010#post211010The country has moved on from the rather grotesque assembly of old men that now form the ACT party, and I think the electoral appeal of the day before yesterday's man Don Brash is being wildly over-estimated.

Don Brash is seventy. John Banks is sixty five. Roger Douglas is seventy…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:53:57 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211011#post211011
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211011#post211011Frankly, I find it very hard to believe that both Brash and Banks could be making such bold moves without even the slightest consultation with National, given that both have been very senior Nats in their time.

You've got to be extracting the urine. Do you know anyone involved with…

All he's saying is "trust me, I'm not the same as those guys". Expect similar utterances and carefully-crafted theatre between now and November.

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:04:19 +1200BenWilsonhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211016#post211016
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211016#post211016There has long been a significant overlap of the right of National with Act.

Yeah, but it's never been so overt that the guy who came within a hair's breadth of running this country turns out to be so aligned with ACT that he not only wants to lead it,…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:09:51 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211017#post211017
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211017#post211017Gustafson, hardly a screaming leftie, mentions the attempts by moneyed Aucklanders to hijack the party over the years.

Sorry, but what the fuck does this have to do with ACT? I know Barry reasonably well, and I don't think he's quite accepted — let alone wrapped his head around --…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:16:14 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211018#post211018
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211018#post211018what the fuck does this have to do with ACT?

Same people deep behind both is what I've been saying and you have been resisting hearing it seems. Gustafson didn't appear to be having any struggle with the conversation.

Lack of any effective opposition can enhance the brashness of politicians.

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:21:06 +1200BenWilsonhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211020#post211020
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211020#post211020how he came to be the leader of that party. How credible is it that no-one amongst all those career politicians understood what the…
]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:23:29 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211021#post211021
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211021#post211021Same people deep behind both is what I've been saying and you have been resisting hearing it seems.

I've heard it, Sacha. I'm just not buying what you're selling, and you're not making much of a case to change my mind.

(Sanctuary, this is where you swoop in — just…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:27:37 +1200Alex Colemanhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211046#post211046
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211046#post211046Brash and Banks hatched their plans for a comeback about four months ago but the decision to make a run for ACT was not finalised till last month, when Hide offered Brash the co-leadership, which he rejected.

Brash and Banks confirmed yesterday there had been talks with people within the…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:18:02 +1200BenWilsonhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211057#post211057
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211057#post211057Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:48:34 +1200Mikaere Curtishttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211062#post211062
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211062#post211062You’ve pulled this on me before, so I won’t bother asking for an apology and retraction. But it would nice if you’d think a little about respect being a two way street and snidely dog-whistling that people you disagree with are like child abusers isn’t even close.You may have…
]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:52:36 +1200Craig Ranapiahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211065#post211065
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211065#post211065Back to that cake stall to raise funds for the party, eh

Oddly enough, Sacha, there are still one or two people who get off their arses and participate instead of bitching on the sidelines. And, yes, people still fundraise for political parties old school. You might also want to…

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:55:16 +12003410http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211069#post211069
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211069#post211069Where's he going to stand if Banks is in Epsom?

Tamaki?

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:58:39 +1200BenWilsonhttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211071#post211071
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211071#post211071Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:04:32 +1200Sachahttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211074#post211074
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211074#post211074give a little respect to the people of all political stripes and party affiliations who are going to be out on the streets campaigning

Wouldn't you say opposing big money and backroom power is exactly that? If I were the rank and file volunteers I'd feel mighty pissed off at…

but I'm just a little tired of being patronising and treated like an idiot because you don't like the party I support and belong to.

Let's call it election year fever

]]>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:42:52 +1200Kyle Matthewshttp://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211111#post211111
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-right-on/?p=211111#post211111You've got to be extracting the urine. Do you know anyone involved with ACT, or are they the Higgs boson in your model of the political universe?

The question really is, to what extent have significant people in the National Party been consulted, and to what extent do they support…