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LG Nexus 5 Round-up: A Beautiful Render, Plus Everything We Know

Of course, as I’m on a plane back from New York, the LG Nexus 5 floodgates open with fury thanks to an FCC filing that outed more details than I think Google would have liked them to. So now that I’m all caught up on everything, it’s time for a recap, since there seems to be some confusion, especially around whether or not this bad boy will work on Verizon. This is what we’re pretty sure we know thus far.

First, a huge thanks to @epicrivas for the render at the top of the post. While that’s not official, we know that the device does look similar, thanks to a quickly pulled Google Kit Kat unveiling video. For now, this is about as clean as it gets in terms of a look at the new Nexus. While it may be another mega-black slab, it does look minimal and sexy. Mmhmm.

Ok, so we first reported that the codename for the device was going to be “hammerhead” last week. That report is now confirmed to have been spot on, as the FCC filing revealed the name in a software build that also referenced the name Key Lime Pie. Key Lime Pie was likely an early build of Android 4.4 before the name change to Kit Kat, so don’t look into that much. If anything, it just proves that the move to Kit Kat was fairly recent and that KLP was in line to be the name for some time.

Sources of ours had previously indicated that this launch would be more of a new “Nexus 4″ than a Nexus 5. But with a 5” display, that could obviously change.

We know that the model number is D820. For reference, the LG G2, which is said to be the base for this new Nexus, carries model number D802. Seems like a natural step in model number progression.

Specs:

Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (M8974A)

4.96″ display

2300mAh battery

NFC

Wireless charging

802.11a/b/g/n/ac WiFi

Bluetooth 4.0

In terms of connectivity (the important stuff to Verizon customers), we are looking at a GSM/CDMA device that can also connect to a variety of LTE bands. Unfortunately, this does not look like a Verizon-compatible device, as much as we all hope that it will be, the chances are pretty slim. The FCC filing shows GSM and WCDMA, meaning it should work fine on both T-Mobile and AT&T in terms of 3G. Verizon, as you know, runs its 3G network on CDMA, which is also present here in bands 0, 1, and 10. Now, the tests show CDMA frequencies in the 800MHz and 1900MHz ranges, but those could be for Sprint. Verizon does run its CDMA network in those ranges, so yes, there is a bit of hope.

In terms of LTE, we’re looking at bands 2, 4, 5, 17, 25, 26, and 41. Notice anything missing? That would be band 13, the LTE frequency that Verizon currently runs its entire LTE network on. Now, you will notice a band 4 in there, which will eventually host Verizon’s AWS LTE spectrum, and should rollout later this year. Problem is, Verizon only plans to launch 5,000 sites with AWS connectivity by the end of the year, which is not exactly covering much of the country. So even if Verizon decides to allow the new Nexus access to its CDMA network, the phone wouldn’t even have full LTE coverage throughout the country. Can you really envision a situation where Verizon, who is as anal as it gets about experience on its network, is going to allow a phone to barely work on only a portion of its network?

I hate to squash dreams, but no band 13 is not a good sign. Remember, with CDMA, Verizon gets to decide who connects to their network – this could be a case where they said, “No thanks, and please don’t use our LTE either.”

“But what if it’s an LTE-only device?” you ask? Could be, but again, Verizon is only deploying 5,000 AWS sites by the end of this year. They will continue to rollout more next year of course, and will also include the AWS frequency in phones by the end of the year, I just don’t think this Nexus is making the cut. After all, it’s still a phone that needs to make calls, something it wouldn’t be able to do if it couldn’t also connect to Verizon’s CDMA network.

The phone will work just fine on Sprint (bands 25 and 26), T-Mobile (band 4), and AT&T (band 17) LTE networks.

Exciting stuff (if you aren’t a Verizon customer). We are hearing from sources that late October could be the big reveal.

I almost pulled the trigger on the HTC One, but waited for the Moto X. Now I like the Moto X more and will get one off contract, but wait! The Nexus 5! I still have a VZW unlimited plan with the gnex, I don’t want to loose it. $600 phone is worth not leaving the unlimited deal… So if this Nexus 5 isn’t on VZW, I’ll be getting the MotoX. Maybe.

Aaron Rissler

I have N4 on T-Mobile $30 unlimited and I get coverage as long as I am not in small towns and I actually get better service than Verizon in some places. However I can never seem to get HSPA+ where I am at. I don’t know if this is the service (says first 5GB at upto 4G speeds) or just coverage.

marque2

I have the same plan, and was hoping to get a Nexus 5 for da wife – but she talks more so the Virgin $35 plan seems like a better fit. Was hoping this phone would work on Sprint. On T-Mobile they seem to have raised prices and cut back data on all the plans except the $30 plan, so their other plans are no longer a bargain.

soccerburn55

What about if when they launch AWS band 4 if we just wanted to use google voice on LTE and wifi and just deal with areas where we may not have coverage. Think its possible to do something like that if you are willing to deal with having Tmobile coverage?

marque2

Problem is that the phone goes to fall back mode all the time. It tries to get the best service possible but in many areas only GSM or CDMA are available. Shoot I was driving between El Paso and Midland TX and there wasn’t any AT&T / T-Mobile (GSM/LTE) service for the 300 stretch and this is a major freeway! My credit cards were cancelled and I would have been stranded without gas – but I was able to use WiFi from a hotel to make a Google voice call via the Second Phone app.

Driving large parts of the country, I am surprised how little cell phone coverage there actually is. So anyway, If you expect to use LTE exclusively without dropping into CDMA frequently and have half way decent phone experience fagetaboutit.

Sirx

2300mAh?
BWAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAHAAAA! No thanks, Google. F*ck no thanks.

duckmanbill

Don’t worry, it has wireless charging. So just have a 10000mAh wireless charger in your pocket. It will charge your phone on the go. And keep your balls warm!

newsjunkieintl

There’s a Nexus 5 variant sighted for Bluetooth certification, LG-D821. That might be the Verzon phone. If you remember for the gen3 Galaxy Nexus, Verizon got a different model number.

marque2

I don’t understand this, wouldn’t all Nexus 5’s need Bluetooth to accommodate NFC, as well Bluetooth headsets and such?

There is a way to get unlimited data on Verizon right now. I just need to find out the proper steps.

duckmanbill

No way unless you have it grandfathered.

MrWicket

“..as the FCC filing revealed the name in a software build that also referenced the name Key Lime Pie. Key Lime Pie was likely an early build of Android 4.4 before the name change to Kit Kat, so don’t look into that much. If anything, it just proves that the move to Kit Kat was fairly recent and that KLP was in line to be the name for some time.”

Not entirely true, yes they were calling it KLP but the decision was made end of 2012, Google just kept it real quite and continued to use the KLP name to keep everyone off the trail.

Ian Wilson

Verizon doesn’t deserve the Nexus 5! I just left them after over 6 years of service to go with T-Mobile instead. I had unlimited data and was sick of paying so much for not even that great LTE and not being able to upgrade. I had to have them send me a Galaxy SIII after my Galaxy Nexus got destroyed by the 4.2.2 update. They’re overrated and you have to pay attention to your bill with those assholes! Can’t even count all the times I’ve had credits applied to my account, not to mention a breach of contract on their part!

Stephen

Just got the Moto x (late, but at least I’ve got it), a surprising lte coverage in my area, and unlimited data. And now the possibility of the Nexus 5, I’m becoming more and more glad that I decided to stay with Sprint.

Gasaraki

2300mAh battery? That’s it? They want this to run for 6 hours or something?

Alan Paone

I am still holding out hope for a bottom headphone jack.

duckmanbill

“They will continue to rollout more next year of course, and will also include the AWS frequency in phones by the end of the year” FYI Galaxy S4 can run on AWS frequencies. It will just require a software update when it’s rolled out.

jimv1983

I was excited about the Nexus 5 until I saw that it will only have a 2,300mAh battery. That is just sad and pathetic. I sure hope it doesn’t have a 1080p screen or the battery life will be even worse.

Michael Aston

KEWL, Google have single fingered saluted Verizon! Sell now!

duckmanbill

more likely the other way round

duckmanbill

Another likely reason Verizon are not on board is that they have a number of customers grandfathered into unlimited data that they want to get rid of (without pissing off too much). An affordable out-of-contract brand new LTE phone would enable these customers to stay grandfathered even longer.

Robert Landrum

I really hope they offer a white version from the start. Even though most people hated the white N4, I prefer the panda look instead of all white.

kevin mccutcheon

Finally we are getting to the point where the entire front of the phone is screen… Take my money.

ThinkingItover

For me it is a combination of factors. 1) I pay about 106 per month for unlimited data, texting, and 450 min plus 5 fave friends, and that is getting old. 2) I really am over the bloatware and slowed down updates. 3) I use about 3.5 gbs of data outside of wifi and that is not worth paying subsidized rates and full off contract price for a phone. 4) I want the Nexus 5. If the Nexus 5 is priced as nicely as the Nexus 4 was I think I will switch. I just want to know the best pre-paid service for AT&T.

Lately I have been thinking about getting a Nexus 5 on straight talk, and then a tablet on VZW LTE. In the end monthly I should still come in below what I pay now.

jimv1983

With a pathetically sad battery of only 2,300mAh I’m surprised anyone is even considering this phone.

Ken

with the bad taste of the galaxy nexus, i won’t be going with a nexus again until it has a battery 3000 mah or over. it probably won’t even be on verizon. here’s hoping nexus 6 will be a motorola nexus maxx.

ChuckG73

God could you imagine what would happen if AT&T would give me an incentive to make the switch. I am out of contract with VZW and month to month, but am grandfathered with unlimited data. My wife and I use @ 8GB of data a month so I need enough data and a better price. I tried T_Mobile but their network coverage does not meet our needs. I am paying 180+ a month for 2 phones, 1400 shared minutes, unlimited text, and unlimited data. Nothing would make me happier than to say c’est la vie to VZW.

But the LG Optimus G was not on Verizon which *might* partially explain why the Nexus4 never made it to Verizon. The LG G2 will be launched on Verizon next week. Sooooo technically IF Google and/or Verizon wished to do so, it shouldn’t be too hard to make a Verizon friendly Nexus5. Granted that’s a pretty big “IF”, but it’s possible. Not only that, Verizon apparently has an exclusive Qi charging G2 which sounds a lot more like Nexus material.

duckmanbill

Read the article, there won’t even be 3G Verizon Nexus 5. With CDMA, Verizon get to control who connects, and it seems they said ‘no’. Also, if you are grandfathered into unlimited data, I would recommend against a 3G-only phone, since Verizon is allowed to throttle you on 3G, but not on LTE.

joejoe5709

I read the article very carefully. I didn’t read anything that was completely damning a Verizon Nexus and I’m merely expressing my opinion. I’m not trying to influence anyone into thinking it’s fact.

I know it looks bad right now, but I’m just saying there’s still room for reasonable doubt and even though it’s slim I’m still holding the smallest amount of hope for a Verizon Nexus.

duckmanbill

Well, with today’s news, this filing might not even be for the Nexus 5. So there’s still some hope.

Skittlez

so, if i got this on T-Mobile, it would have LTE. would it fall back to HSPA+ if LTE wasn’t available?

czaplin

Yes

droidrazredge

so does this mean that speculation of the refreshed 2013 version of the Nexus 4 made by Motorola is not going to happen now ? and that we’ll just be getting a Nexus 5 made by LG. Or could there still be a possibility of two Nexus phone being released this fall?

joejoe5709

Big Red better “leak” some info if they intend on having a version of this. Or something along the lines of a Nexus (not the Moto X). Or else they’re going to have a little drop in their renewals.

Richard Jackson

What leak are you talking about?

David Nguyen

Like you know… Possible leak of a registration page for the N5 or a Verizon Logo on the N5.

Richard Jackson

Ignore me I’m running on 3 hours sleep and reading comprehensions goes out the window when that happens.

joejoe5709

It’s all good. Sorry it was weirdly worded. Just saying that if Verizon is able, we’d appreciate a glimmer of hope.

KB

The day this comes out is the day I give Verizon their parting gift of my ETF.

Bootleg Zani

Is this going to be another weak 16 GB only phone since we already know Google doesn’t put SD card slots on Nexus devices? 16 GBs is not enough EVER!

Robert Landrum

16GB is more than enough. I’ve always managed to have at least 7-8 gigs left over. But I also use Mp3 players for music instead of my phone.

Tony Sausage

I’d hit that butterface on the right so hard. Your right, not the injun.

ToddAwesome

She looks like an uglier version of Kendra Wilkinson, which is to say, yes, I would.

Cory Wilson

I like the soft touch plastic, hope the real one comes out with that. Never have been crazy about the glass on my nexus 4, especially now that I’ve had it for 9 months and it’s picked up a bunch of little scratches all over it. The glass looks nice, but it scratches easily and from what I’ve seen, breaks easily too. And the camera us completely behind that glass so depending on how you shatter it, you might loose camera functionality. But they made sure to protect the flash! I think Google had a few shots before they designed the back of the nexus 4

Steve B

I know, the glass looks amazing but I don’t want it for durability reasons. Love the idea of a durable. soft touch plastic.

Alexander Garcia

TAKE! MY! MUTHAF–KIN’! MONEY! NOW!!!

Jake

When this comes out I’ll pick one up for a first-hand test T-Mobile’s network in the places that I live and work. I would have done the same with the N4, but I want to try their 4G without having to hack hybrid radios or anything like that. If I’m satisfied with T-Mo, then I’ll consider leaving Verizon (me, my wife, and entire family). We’re grandfathered in with unlimited, but it’s no longer worth it if I can’t get the phones I want. Besides, at home VZW’s LTE is atrocious; I keep jumping between LTE and 3G. Maybe it’s the horrible radio on the GNex.

socarwolverine

Same thing I plan on doing, but you’ll prolly want to try another VZW phone before decrying their network. The VZW GNex radios are notoriously awful.

joejoe5709

Really? I’ve been pretty good ever since 4.2.2 or whenever it was they updated the radios. The handoff is much better and I’m almost always on 4G whenever it’s available.

Cory Wilson

Yeah from my understanding the gnex lte radios are terrible, as is everything that doesn’t have a snapdragon

Collin Chapin

Sexy.

beng8686

I can’t believe Google can’t figure out a way to give EVERYONE a shot at it’s nexus devices. Singling out Verizon is getting a bit old.

ManBearPig618

Who knows why it goes down the way it goes down though. I’m willing to bet blame falls on Big Red.

Alexander Garcia

After the Galaxy Nexus drama, Google pretty much gave up on ol’ Big Red.

Steve B

Google isn’t singling out Verizon. Verizon is singling themselves out with their legacy cdma network.

bobfrea

how is their legacy cdma different than sprint’s? its not cdma that’s the problem, its verizon.

PhillipCun

Know your facts first before you blame Google. It’s Verizon who ruins the Nexus program. Google gave them a shot with the GNex and they ruined it.

The Phenom

The blame lies with Verizon not Google just like with the Moto X. Mobile won’t carry it in store availible only on the web direct from Motorola. Blame lies with T-Mobile not having it in store not Motorola.

buddyruff777

I’m on ATT unlimited so this great news. Please put the same lg g2 camera and big battery in this one Google.

joejoe5709

Not a bad render! Very nice!

Man… if this or at least some sort of a Nexus (supposed Moto Nexus) doesn’t make it to VZW, I’m not sure what I’m going to do… I really really don’t want to jump ship but my decision will be very very difficult. If that’s the case I might just hold onto my Galaxy Nexus for as long as I possibly can and wait for Advanced LTE whenever that comes to my town. I hear that Google might be okay with those bands.

Is there any chance that this is the global version of the Nexus5 and there will be Verizon specific one not sold through Google Play? (Similar to how the Gnex was handled – I know it wasn’t optimal but I’d still take another gimped Nexus over anything else on the market.)

beng8686

I agree with everything you just said. I’m in the same boat.

joejoe5709

Thanks. Are you listening Google and/or Verizon?

Gimped, slow update Nexus still beats no Nexus at all. Hell I’d even take a Verizon Nexus without LTE. I don’t care if there’s no SD card slot. I don’t care if it has 16GB (8 is a deal breaker though…) I really don’t care. I just want to remain a part of an ecosystem that thankfully kept my poor little GNex as one of the top phones for enthusiasts for TWO WHOLE YEARS. Please and thank you.

p0k3y

57 days before my VZW stranglehold ends. Just perfect for N5. I can’t care less if it doesn’t work on VZW!

Reginald Jefferson

Mine ends in 20 days although I may end up renewing since the gf wants an S4

The Phenom

You can get a S4 anywhere I would price compare and check coverage if not you are locked in for another 2 years with ETF.

Reginald Jefferson

Believe me I’m aware of the consequences *shudder* but T-Mobile sucks in half the areas I frequent so that’s out. Sprint is just as bad if not worse. My options at this point are VZW and AT&T unless I decide to go with a device payment plan (in store version not the edge plan). Being locked in again won’t bother me too much (I hope) since I can upgrade at anytime by visiting ebay. Just gotta weigh all options.

chris420o

i wish there was enough of us verizon android enthusiast to protest and actually put some fear in verizon….but theyd just laugh n brush us off

socarwolverine

For every one of us, there are a dozen people who don’t understand the difference or benefit of the Nexus line versus any other android phone.

Doubt it, the Galaxy Nexus thing went over terribly. I don’t see why anyone would want an Android phone on Verizon. They micro manage so much, you are always MONTHS behind the curve

joejoe5709

It’s a possibility even if it is a slim possibility. I’d prefer a Nexus5 and all its glory. But I’d take a Moto X Nexus on Verizon. Granted, the specs aren’t a heck of a lot more than my GNex but I’d still take it and love it.

Not sure I’ve seen an LG device with an OLED display. Would kind of doubt it. LG and HTC love their LCDs.

Walter Partlo

Yeah, it was a bit of a dream, especially since LG does own a display business.

Shadowstare

As a person who has always wanted a Nexus phone and a Verizon customer, It makes me sad that those two companies can’t agree to release another phone with the carrier. I mean come on, the compromise can’t be that hard. All Verizon has to do is allow Google to update the phone un-interrupted. Google, just let Verizon put some removable Verizon bloat preloaded and a brand somewhere on the back. Call it a Droid Nexus and release the darn thing. Is that so hard?

chris420o

+10000000000000000000000000000

I like this idea…even with the bloat who gives a flying f and GIVE US A DAMN NEXUS

joejoe5709

Agreed. Throw all the bloat on it you want. As long as I can put a custom Android ROM on it, I don’t care if run iOS7 out of the box.

Google shouldn’t let Verizon dictate anything. That’s the problem we have today with phone releases. Manufacturers are giving in too much to carriers and we are stuck with narrowed selections because of it. It should be, Hey Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon here is my phone take it or leave it. Is that realistic no, but should it be that way YES. If they want an exclusive, have a carrier contract a OEM to make their own line like Verizon does with the Droid. I am so sick of these carrier exclusives with phones, colors and options.

vzwscks

Google does say here is is take or leave it and VZW leaves it. That is why we are mad.

Shadowstare

Google just started with the take it or leave it posture. They were pretty easy going before, but Verizon REALLY screwed them over with the Galaxy Nexus (that’s why the updates were always SUPER delayed, once Google released an update, Verizon spent another 6 months testing it before it actually made it to the customers). It ruined the user experience that users were expecting when they bought a Nexus device. So now, Google is extra protective over their Nexus devices.

Jeff Martin

Realistically only Apple can pull that off. If they want to sell the iphone, they take it how Apple gives it. The HUGE variety of Android phones is both a blessing and a curse. If Google demands too much, sell a Samsung, or HTC, or Motorola, or LG, or . . .

Jeff Martin

I am torn. I bought a BZW Galaxy Nexus on launch day. I now use the Shiny ROM to keep up to date, but it looks like VZW won’t eve have the ability to offer me a Nexus. I refuse to buy a locked down phone with Touchwiz again. (I owned a Droid Charge). I may have to leave to At&T and just give up my unlimited data when my Galaxy Nexus finally dies. In our area, rural midwest, VZW has superior coverage. I guess I have a hard time accepting why VZW needs to control or lock down my phone.

Shadowstare

I have no clue why Verizon wants to lock down all the phones on their network. I asked Verizon twitter why can’t we (the customers) unlock our bootloaders, they said it would void our warranty. Which makes no sense because if you pay extra for an extended warranty, Verizon doesn’t fix a damaged phone, Asurion replaces it. And Asurion doesn’t care if the bootloader is locked or not. You’ll have a new device LONG before they ever receive the broken one. So that claim is crap.

I just wish Verizon would let mobile technology enthusiasts use their phones as they see fit and release the stranglehold over their devices.

joejoe5709

I really really could care less how Verizon keeps their Nexus updates as long as the dev community is strong. Half the time I forgot what version the phone was actually on until DL told us that we were technically three updates behind.

Unlimited data plus box or drop box my friend. I think physical storage is slowly being not as important with all the cloud based storage options available. I love Google+ just for this reason.

E A butler

between apps and podcasts 16gb ain’t cutting it…. I have learned to accept the fact that my music lives in the cloud now and I don’t need 20gigs of music on an SD card, but I need my apps and podcasts.

bobfrea

my gnex 32gb storage data was copied from an SD from my nexus one, which got copied from SD from before that. point is, if the next phone is <= 32gb it will force me to finally cleanup the garage. 🙂 so much space has left things a bit unorganized. i do like the idea of being able to carry stuff locally, but if I had unlimited data (by moving to T-Mobile) i might be interested in using both local and remote storage.

mustbepbs

“Unfortunately, this does not look like a Verizon-compatible device”

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

ChrisI

“2300mah, embedded to device”….gawd f*cking [email protected] Google. Won’t even give me the option to modify to extended if I want. I’ll glady give up stupid wireless charging so I can use a battery that lasts a full day. I’m going to pull my hair out if they don’t give me a 32gb option or AT LEAST an SD card slot. I cannot stand technology weaknesses like this.

acras

if you are looking for a SD card on a Nexus , start pulling.

vincent scala

as far as the battery the software might be optimized for performance and battery life remember they said that 4.4 was something that everyone could enjoy. this could mean that we may see 4.3 on older or lower end devices which could suggest that the software doesn’t need a powerful processor and that for the N5 the hardware and software are tweaked to drain less life out of the battery

Kyle Cordiano

Gorgeous concept.

Ed Williams

This doesn’t excite me enough to stick with the Nexus brand. I said I’d never go back to skinned phones, but the Note 3 is a pretty impressive phone. I like the details of the back (stitched faux leather) to make it feel like an actual notepad. Great features, too.

dp917

2300 battery? The G2 has 3000, would have hoped for more around that range.

Size doesn’t always matter…..that’s what she said Lol. I wouldn’t get too freaked out over the battery size just yet. I hear the Moto X is getting good battery life and its battery isn’t big.

joejoe5709

Well… if it were at least on par with the S4 that would have been nice. 2300 is a smidge low, really. But I’d still buy it. Hell with the GNex I’m practically tied to a charging cord at all times anyway.

Skittlez

i had the Nexus 4 which had a 2100mah battery, and that thing would last me over a day. 1 day, 15 hours was the most. Nexus usually get good battery life.

I want to switch to T-Mobile so bad. They get most of the good phones and their prices are better, but they just don’t have the coverage I need.

Leo Finn

I dropped Verizon last year when I got sick of paying 140 bucks + a month for 2 active lines and 2 dumb lines with military discount and they wouldn’t cancel one of my lines when the line was supposed to be up. They didn’t tell me and I did ask before hand that if I suspend my line on military leave would it continue to count and they said it would. So I bought the Nexus 4 and have the tmobile $30 line with unlimited data and I love it. Sure service can be spotty and yeah I do sometimes miss this burst data transfer of Verizon lte but you know what it was well worth it. Sometimes I do go over my 100 minutes and spend 40 a month but Meh.

i don’t usually like LG either, but the Nexus 4 is still my favorite phone ever. i’ll take it over anything. amazing experience

joejoe5709

Oooooo that is better. Headphone jack on the top? I hope not. That drives me insane.

jimv1983

You DON’T want the headphone jack on the top? Where would you rather have it? The bottom like the iPhone? That’s just ridiculous.

grumpyfuzz

Android devices cannot have the headphone jack on the bottom because Apple would sue them in a heartbeat.

BRNSMRF

This is beautiful but I really can’t handle a phone bigger than my Nexus 4

Rich Nahra

Loyal Nexus user here. BUT, I’m a little pissed about the tiny battery especially considering the size of the display. I want to believe that the optimized OS and lower wattage processor and more efficient display technology would make the phone last a whole day, but it won’t. The number one requirement for my next phone is long battery life. So, it’s looking like the Maxx unless something better comes out between now and Mid Jan 2014 when my contract is up.

Elliot Kotis

I don’t believe for one second that a phone that is based on the LG G2 will have a smaller battery. They did this with the Moto X, they said a 1500mAH and it turned out to be much higher.

Rich Nahra

I hope you’re right, Elliot.

Jimmyjammer

True, I was hoping for the same 3,000mah battery found in the lg g2.

Maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s officially announced.

Elliot Kotis

2300mAH Battery, nope.

Philip A. Kaiser

Wish it had a little more bezel… /s

Daeshaun Griffiths

Just give me kit kat and more commands on the moto x. And if its not too much to ask for a camera update.

DreamSTi

Switching providers for a phone is the dumbest thing I’ve heard of.

Daniel

REALLY hope they make a Verizon version of this

Dorian Brooks

-Said no one ever once they remember the GNex.

The Phenom

You may get lucky but I just don’t see it happening.

fanboy1974

Verizon can kiss my fat a$$. I’m tired of their bull$hit. I have 2 lines up this year and next year I will be free. Buying the Nexus 5 and jumping on prepaid as soon as this is announced. Sure coverage will not be as good but at least I get a unlocked Nexus 5 and my bill will be much cheaper.

Just looked at pricing for ATT plan. Sorry, if the nexus 5 isnt on VZW I’m not switching carriers. Too damn expensive. I pay $60 a month currently for unlimited data and 450 minutes (not sure how much i barely use my minutes) and I constantly use over 5 GB

Sadface

d-rock

AIO is $70 for unlimited talk/text and 7GB data….I think i’ll be going with this option as it’s AT&T’s network.

ChrisI

Why would AT&T have a subsidiary using the exact same network as their AT&T name but for less than AT&T’s pricing?

d-rock

AT&T is a labor union company. Their personnel costs are huge. If they can get $70/month out of their prepaid market running on much less overhead, I see the advantage.

acras

prepaid market , like the gophone they have had forever. Just rebranding and probably doing away with gophone

tyguy829

throttled to 8mbps max on LTE

Jim Davis

Look into switching to AIO wireless. That’s what I’m doing when my VZW contract ends. AIO is open to the entire U.S. starting in September.

joejoe5709

Same boat. The other carriers really aren’t that much cheaper (sometimes more expensive) and it’s not worth leaving Verizon just because I didn’t get the phone I wanted. Like I said elsewhere, I’ll wait for LTE Advanced and see what phones are out then.

joseph barrientos

haha holy crap, everyones leaving big red! i just did back in june for sprint (lte finally coming in my area), it kinda sucks but its better than verizon.

MacNificent

Been on Verizon since 94. I bet as soon as we all jump ship and leave… They will update their towers and start carrying the phones that we all want.
The devil never plays fair.. Watch!

Tim242

Update their towers? The issue is the bands in the phone. All other phones work just fine on their towers.

MacNificent

whatever it is.. It needs to be done now!

Dan Bonebright

So “an amazing Android experience available for everybody” was too good to be true…

AxemRed

I didn’t expect a Nexus on Verizon this year. Verizon isn’t ready for LTE-only yet. I’m hoping for one next year though.

Tim242

What does LTE only have to do with anything? The phone has CDMA radios in it. It just doesn’t have all of Verizon’s LTE bands.

Bryan

LTE only has to do with this: Once Verizon can have LTE only phones, their stranglehold on the hardware will be gone. Anyone will be able to make an LTE phone and run it on Verizon’s network. That’s what they meant.

Tim242

But, Verizon can still dictate what phones they allow on their network. I hope your prediction is right though.

EC8CH

Theory is that the terms of their 4G spectrum prevents them from dictating what phones are allowed on their network, however their CDMA spectrum allows them to do so. Eliminate the need for a CMDA radio and boom… carrier unlocked LTE only phones should be possible on Verizon…. we shall see in a year or two I guess.

Bryan

This is exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for clarifying it.

tyguy829

nope. they can only dictate which phones run on their network because of CDMA. Once cdma is gone and voLTE rolls out, they have no say at all. pop in a sim and go

Jonathan Isenberg

That’s not entirely true. Manufacturers can lock down their LTE radio by LTE.

So even if it says that it has LTE, doesn’t necessarily mean that it work on everything.

Case in point: The nexus 5 is missing band 13 from it’s FCC filing.
(Also EvDO, but still….)

Bryan

Of course manufacturers don’t have to make them. But due to the licensing agreement that Verizon signed when buying the spectrum, they can’t dictate what hardware runs on that network anymore. In theory, it should allow anyone to make an LTE only phone (with Verizon’s band) and Verizon can’t prevent it from running on their network.

Matthew DiGiacomo

Does anybody know when the Google-themed KitKat bars will be in stores? I went to buy some today and they didn’t have any..I thought today was the day?

RhinoShock

The android themed ones are special edition (500 of them were made). You can only buy the normal kit kat bars, with the nexus 7 sweepstakes, in stores.

Matthew DiGiacomo

That’s what I’m talking about – the sweepstakes ones..

EC8CH

but I want a golden ticket Naowwwwwwwww!

acras

probably better to ask the stores near you when they get deliveries , unless someone here works for a distributor , and knows where you live…

Sequence of Sound…

As a Moto X owner, I’m happy to hear the news (although it would have been nice to have the option on Verizon). 😡 Moto X on Verizon will be the closest thing to the NeXus 5 (notice how they both have an “X” in their names?). Google had a decent amount of influence on the Moto X, and Motorola added useful features. Although updates might be slow to come, they’ll at least update it for the two years that I’ll be keeping it. I wonder what kind of new features will come with Kit Kat, and if any of those features will be similar to Motorola’s added features. I hope that they quickly update the Moto X to Kit Kat.

Tim242

A new Nexus 4, with a 5″ display? The Nexus 4 was named by gen number, not its almost 5″ display. It was the 4th Nexus. It was originally to be called the Optimus Nexus, but changed at the last minute. I do believe that they will name this one the Nexus 5, due to being the 5th Nexus. I think it is possible that they will keep the screen size at 5″ from here on out. That will allow the phone to allign with display size naming, and avoid numbering conflicts.

joseph barrientos

i hope they stay with nexus 5, nexus is such a good word to pair with a number, putting another word like optimus just makes it sound bad

Taglogical

What will they do when the “Nexus 7” comes? ‘Nexus Seven’ maybe =P

a3uge

So in two versions they’ll have a Nexus 7 tablet (screen size) and a Nexus 7 phone (generation number)? You don’t think they thought about this before hand? The Nexus 7 was released before the Nexus 4. I think it’s safe to assume a ‘Nexus 6’ will not get released, unless it’s a phablet.

Tim242

You didn’t read all of what I said.

a3uge

I guess it doesn’t really matter WHY they named it the Nexus 4 or Nexus 5 (if they do), but I would think because they released the Nexus 7 before the Nexus 4, they had screen size in mind with the Nexus 4. It’s not like they had a ‘Nexus 2’ and ‘Nexus 3’. Calling it a Nexus 5 for a 4.7 in screen would have been a little pretentious… I thought it would be pretty safe to assume the naming conventions have already started, otherwise, why start a brand new naming structure (Nexus 4) AFTER the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 were already released? Really doesn’t matter though because the generations numbers are matching up with screen size.

Tim242

They may all be Nexus devices, but they are two differentccategories. Tablets are named by display size on a regular basis. No phone has ever been named by display size. I love how people think it’s silly to round up, but OK to sell themselves .short and round down. Phones are named with gen number or name, tablets are named most of the time by display size. Ex: Nexus 7, Nexus ,10 Galaxy Tab 7.0, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Note 8.0, Galaxy Note 10.1, etc. The Galaxy brand is prettysolid. Does Samsung name the phone Galaxy Note by display size?

joejoe5709

So? That’s Samsung. Not Google/Nexus.

joejoe5709

You could be right, but I guess the kicker will be whether or not we will see a Nexus4 replacement AND a Nexus5. If that’s the case, the screen size more or less determines the name.

My only problem is that the Nexus7 wasn’t the 7th Nexus nor was the Nexus10 the 10th. And we’ll end up with a naming scheme running into each other.

I think the naming scheme will be similar to the automotive industry. For instance: You have the Mazda2, Mazda3, Mazda5, and Mazda6. Each model year and each generation does not bump up the number, it’s merely the 2013 Mazda6 or the 2012 Mazda6. Similarly we have the 2012 Nexus7 and the 2013 Nexus7. If Moto makes a Nexus4 replacement, we’ll have a 2012 Nexus4 by LG and a 2013 Nexus4 by Motorola.

Tim242

Nexus phones are not in the same category as Nexus tablets. No phone has ever been named by display size. A good majority of tablets are named by display size. The Galaxy Note phone is named by gen number. The Galaxy Note tablets are named by display size ie Galaxy Note 8.0, Galaxy Note 10.1.

joejoe5709

By the way there were Tab 2 and 3 in all sorts of sizes that kind of blend that theory all up but I see what you’re saying. It’s similar to when Mercedes would name their models after engine sizes. One look at the badge and you knew what was under the hood. One look at the device name and you know it’s all about.

Well I’m not sure it’ll copy Samsung’s screen number scheme or if it will it follow a generational scheme. Each model number will be loosely based off its screen size more or less to show what class it’s in rather than exactly quoting a screen size. Then each year will bring a notation of which year and/or which OEM made it to help difrentiate but the model name itself will not change with each generation. My best evidence is the new Nexus7 and I still think there will be a Nexus4 replacement called the Nexus4 along with a Nexus5.

TheWenger

The wife’s already on Sprint with the rest of our family plan while I jumped to VZW for the G-Nex. Guess it’s back to Sprint.

Drome

i REALLY hope there is at least a 32gb option.

Taylor Abrahamson

I’m so angry at VZW..

We need a poll, to ask everyone who has said they are going to leave VZW, if they have actually left yet.

-I said I would leave VZW and I did
-I am planning on leaving VZW soon
-I am staying with VZW
-I never was on VZW

Tim242

I will not be leaving Verizon, unless they stop carrying Android flagships, or try to take my unlimited.

Dan

I will not be leaving Verizon until someone else puts decent service near my cabin (yes, 1st world problems, but that’s where I live)

Tim242

I was shocked that I had Verizon LTE at the cabin we stayed at in the rural Ozarks. I wish I could live there haha

joejoe5709

Answer: I am staying with VZW and I’ll take a day off of work to mourn the lack of a Nexus5. Lol.

In reality, I have complete blind faith that Verizon won’t leave us out this time. It might not be the best Nexus and it might not be until 2014 but it’ll be something. If we use the Gnex as an example and how sad we So I’m waiting. Besides, it’s not worth leaving a carrier just for a phone. You guys sound like iSheep before Verizon carried the iPhone.

When we do get official word on this year’s Nexus device(s) and let’s just assume we won’t get it, we will need a new poll:

The Nexus isn’t coming to Verizon, so which phone are you going to choose instead?

bobfrea

I am planning on leaving VZW soon. i signed up nearly two years ago because i liked the idea of LTE. VZW isn’t the only LTE deal in town now. GNex did very well most ways (especially with CM10.x and gWallet on it). T-Mobile has decent service where I need it. The trade-offs for less coverage will definitely be worth the savings. I plan to buy Nexus5 from Google to put on T-Mobile, so no more contract either!

Kyle Miller

LG G2 vs. Nexus 5. Which one would you prefer?

Tim242

S4, Note ,3

me

I would prefer the LG G2 hardware as the Nexus 5, but Google is all about selling phones unlocked and off contract for $350. Unfortunately the G2 is too premium to offer for that price. The LG G2 is a better hardware device, (bigger battery, bigger screen, probably better camera, probably more storage)

The G2 really looks nice, but it’s got that cheesy skin and won’t get the updates.

Dee

the HTC one Max:)

Tyler James Edward Hills

Nananana nananana hey hey hey goodbye vzw

Tim242

Yeah yeah, that’s what you all say.

nvitone23

hop off Verizon’s d*ck

Tim242

Why would I? They provide me with unlimited pleasure :: )

mcdonsco

Whats with the small batteries in all the phones? I was really hoping the N5 (would be on verizon /r) would have a decent, at least 3,000 mah battery…but no…

I don’t know about you guys, but even when I’m using a phone with 3k+ it’s still dead by 7pm or so.

fauxshizzl

Do you ever set the phone down? I have a DNA which only has around a 2000MaH battery running a 5″ 1080p screen and have never once drained that battery before I was going to bed and putting it on a charger.

mcdonsco

I’m a business user, so it gets picked up and used about every 5 minutes or so throughout the day…My day’s start around 7-8am and don’t end until 8-9pm.

I’m not so much on the phone as I am texting, emailing, and looking things up online (plus, pandora in the car). Very little camera/phone actually (usually under 1,000 minutes a month used).

fauxshizzl

Damn dude. My condolences. I hate being on the phone and don’t think I could handle your job for that reason. Unless of course it paid very well..

mcdonsco

Pays what I put into it…slack in I can make 6 figures, kicking ass and taking names i can make 7 figures…I’m a bit closer to the slacking end of things though 🙂

fauxshizzl

Yeah I recently turned down a very sizeable raise due to the fact I would lose my entire social life by taking it. To me quality of life at and outside of work is worth way more to me than money. I do well enough and don’t need to pile on the added stress at this point.

Dan Carter

Well, this is a pretty small phone. There’s nothing on the market that is this size that has a bigger battery. Sounds like you need to carry a portable juice pack around.

LionStone

I’d rather have the S800 than a 3000 mAh battery. I can manage a 2300 mAh no problem and the S800 gives even more battery efficiency and supports LTE-A Carrier aggregation.

mcdonsco

With the new phones and my use I can’t tell the difference between one processor or another. I also switch phones so often the lte-a thing doesn’t matter as no phones out now can actually use it and by the time they can I’ll be well onto another phone by then.

zurginator

Anyone else notice the N4 has the sticker which comes on it in the box on the back? You can see the grey rectangle over the LG logo.

Chris Bailey

*IF* it comes to VZW – which is highly unlikely – I will light myself on fire for buying the Droid Maxx (even though I do really like it)…

socarwolverine

Hopefully a flood of people like you will be looking to offload their Droid Maxx. I want one, but just have been holding off on paying full retail.

Hothfox

I’m so ready to leave Verizon. My contract is up in March, and I fully intend on leaving for AT&T prepaid. Hopefully by March the Nexus will be available, as the launch day out of stock issues will be ironed out by then.

Izem

I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been with VZW since 2005 and I’m getting tired of it. They’re becoming too greedy and what they’re doing in regard to bootloaders (especially with the HTC One when no other carrier blocks it) it’s just becoming too much. I have a VZW HTC One that is bootloader unlocked because I bought it on launch day but if the bootloader wasn’t able to be unlocked I wouldn’t have bought it. It had over 24 god damn bloat apps!

I’ve worked with AT&T for 5 years and I’ve seen the network in my area drastically improve over those years. Hell where I work VZW with full bars of LTE is usually less than 2Mbps down AND up whereas I get usually 17Mbps up 13Mbps down with AT&T LTE.

My biggest hesitation has been with losing my unlimited data. But if VZW doesn’t get the next Nexus device I’m going to buy it and switch to AT&T. I’m done with them.

Indianajonze

this exactly. i would hate to lose my unlimited data, but enough is enough. new nexus to replace my 2 yr old gnex > unlimited data IMO

James Briano

Same situation here. I was ready to leave VZW a few years back, then the Galaxy Nexus was announced. I waited (and waited). The release and subsequent treatment was flawed, but not terrible.

Now, I’m done with them. Unlimited data was fun while it lasted, but VZW doesn’t offer ANY compelling hardware.

The reasons for leaving the Big Red earlier this year just keep on adding up…

geedee82

I can’t wait to leave Verizon for this!

Jeff Tycz

why do you guys keep saying that the move to kitkat was recent. It has been stated that google was talking with nestle about using the name back in november and they used key lime pie internally to keep it a secret. so of course you will see builds released with that name when even the developers didnt know it would be that and its officially announced just less than a week ago

The marketing team did the KitKat deal. Everyone who actually works on Android used KLP and probably still do. As far as I’m concerned it will still be KLP but Google will publicly call it KitKat.

Menger40

I can’t get excited about this until it gets reviewed and I see battery life reports. I won’t buy a phone with a sealed battery unless it can get me through more than 24 hours with light use, and I know that’s a pretty tall order.

LionStone

Should be no problem… this shot is with stock DNA, 2020 mah, S4 Pro, 5″ 1080p, light usage. The N5 reports having a 2300 mAh, which has even better power efficiency and longevity than the S600 and even more than the S4Pro.

Menger40

This gives me hope, thank you LionStone!

LionStone

Yep, and for reference I have LTE ‘on’ the whole time, Sync ‘on’ the whole time, regularly text and mms, regularly stream Pandora, 2 email accts, Twitter, G+, G Now enabled, G+ Upload ‘on’, 8-10 widgets running on 5 screens, Mobile Hotspot to Nexus 7 whenever…and running Nova Prime Launcher. You can see my average and that’s usually with 2-3 hrs screen ‘on’, 30-40 minutes of calls and Bluetooth for a few hours, like this…a more typical day:

calum wilper

Verizon only version? Although I doubt google will fall for that again

Late October reveal? Might match the rumored November 9th launch date.

Global Equity Fund

What the hell is a verizon?

Javier Jackson

I thought the whole deal with the Galaxy Nexus was that it was the CDMA that was holding it back. Something about how the radio drivers were proprietary to Qualcomm and that is why the Nexus 4 didn’t have CDMA (and therefore wasn’t compatible with Sprint and Verizon). I realize the CDMA carriers could always block an “unlocked” phone.

Now that this one has CDMA, what’s the deal?

d-rock

You can release a device with CDMA radios, but instead of a SIM card, there’s a number on a CDMA that is basically your SIM Card #. You have to submit that number to your CDMA provider. These codes are provisioned by the carriers though and if that number isn’t previously provisioned, it can’t even be activated on the CDMA network.

Regardless to work with CDMA, there will have to be devices that are pre designated for those networks.

More than likely Verizon chose not to allow this option. They do allow this option with Enterprise level devices though (like the Motorola Symbol WM Devices). They don’t have Verizon branding, but you can only activate it on Verizon.

d-rock

Sprint likely showed interest and they will be provisioning some of the devices specifically for Sprint.

Tim242

You are slightly incorrect. Verizon’s LTE phones provision by the SIM and IMEI, not the CDMA HEX.

d-rock

Can you get CDMA service though if your device is compatible? Or do you still have to get the CDMA side activated? I’m not sure as I haven’t seen VZ in action on LTE activation.

Tim242

It would have to have Verizon radios. It would be possible, but not easily. But, with only one band of their LTE, it would be mostly fruitless. As for current Verizon LTE devices, you just swap SIM’s and you’re done, just like GSM. Verizon combined the CDMA with LTE on the SIM. In most of the world, CDMA uses SIM cards anyway.

Kyle Wilkins

I’m not shocked the Nexus 5 isn’t on VZW but the let down is still there. My Galaxy Nexus is running okay. I just wish there was another, more up to date spec wise, phone that is fully unlockable. On screen nav keys have become one of my standards as well. 🙁

Tim242

S4. AOKP, DONE.

Jonathan Isenberg

S4 = No on-screen nav.

All Samsung phones are marred by that physical home button, in my opinion.

Tim242

Notice I put AOKP on there. You can enable on screen nab in the settings. I used to hate the home button, but now I love it. With on screen buttons., you don’t have to use the home button. Plus, the bezel is the smallest around

Skittlez

its just dumb to have on screen and physical buttons. we just want them natively

Steve B

Renders look pretty good overall. The only thing that doesn’t look right is the rear speakers. Everything is pointing to this phone having front facing speakers like the HTC One.

acras

Where are you getting that info ? I haven’t seen anything about front facing speakers. Would definitely be a bonus in my book, but at this point I think they are a dream , like a SD slot , 32Gb and Verizon compatibility

Steve B

Because from the FCC filing, there are no speaker grills on the back of the device. That leaves either the bottom (doubtful) or the front (more likely).

acras

inconclusive. Anything below where they show the coils could be hiding speaker placement, you can’t tell from the FCC pics if there will be a speaker there or not. What is the rectangle just below the coil? Nothing , or the location for the speaker? Again , not saying you are wrong , but there’s nothing solid yet that points to speaker placement. Might be at the bottom , isn’t that where the G2 speaker is?

Steve B

Actually yes, if you look at the G2 unboxing Kellen just put up, the speakers are on the bottom. That’s where my money is. They’re definitely not on the back, you’d be able to see white showing through where the speaker grill would be. The rectangle you mention is nothing.

acras

Unless that’s a cover like the one covering the coils for nfc and charging. So whats your final verdict ? All signs pointing to front facing , or money on the bottom facing speakers? My money says all signs point to us not knowing **** about speaker placement yet.

Steve B

Why would there be a cover over the speaker grill on the back plate? That doesn’t make any sense.

acras

Why doesn’t it make sense? If it’s a plastic cover behind the speaker to separate it from the other components perhaps?That rectangle could also be speaker cloth covering the grille opening. The speaker could play through the bottom . Or the back plate that was sent to the FCC could have not had the speaker grille drilled or cut out yet since there was no need for it when sending the device for certification , because the FCC doesn’t care about speakers. Again , just throwing out suppositions out , not saying signs are pointing any way until there are pics that mean something

Steve B

Nope sorry. Not drinking your koolaid.

acras

LOL , obviously. You are guzzling your own . Let me know how those front facing bottom firing speakers work out for you . Keep in mind , you are CERTAIN , which following your statements means there will be at least 4 speakers ( front facing speakers and bottom facing speakers , plural for each comment you made) . I am looking forward to the quadraphonic sound this phone will be pumping out. I have stated clearly that I am speculating on what MAY be the speaker placement , with some evidence to back up my speculation. I have also said your wild-ass guesses might be right too , they just aren’t facts .

Zoom in and honestly tell me you think there’s even a 1% chance there’s a speaker on the back. No, didn’t think so.

acras

Easy , there’s an absolute 100% CHANCE that the speaker is on the back . Your first post said ” everything points to front facing speakers” , your next post said that bottom facing speakers were “doubtful” . You followed that up with saying your money was on bottom facing . You are looking at pictures of the inside of a possibly unfinished rear cover and stating that there is no chance for a rear facing speaker , but until there are more pictures , the CHANCE of the speaker being mounted to a hamster tied to the phone by a pretty pink ribbon is 100%. LIKELIHOOD of the hamster mounted speaker is very low , because they would have a bunch of dead hamster speakers being delivered due to Kit Kat overdoses

This is nothing? Notice the molded edges around the rectangle compared to the square just below it , there’s a difference. COULD be for speaker placement , COULD be for something else, COULD be for nothing but the difference at the edges compared to the other tooling leaves possibilities. Looking at this closer though , I am leaning away from bottom firing speakers , I don’t see reliefs at the bottom to accommodate them.

acras

You on the design team for this device ? tell me what this is EXACTLY . Don’t say nothing like you did before , because every aspect of the design is for something , even if its strengthening ridges which this is not by the way. It may not be for a speaker , but since you have been certain twice as to the position of the speakers , in different locations , tell us what it is for

Steve B

I’m done wasting my time on you spamming my inbox. You’ll know in a few days/weeks when a full view leaks.

acras

LOL , difference is , I can’t be wrong because I said any speaker placement is possible , because theres not enough evidence yet to tell. YOU are almost guaranteed to be wrong because it will most likely not have 4 or more speakers. See you when more FACTS come out on the phone. And learn what spam is.

joejoe5709

This. They will definitely be on the bottom. Which in my book is better than the rear.

Honestly after trying out the new Moto devices I’m not sure if I care as much about the Nexus 5. Just me obviously… but #1 I would hope the next Nexus device is as fluid as the X/Maxx/etc. (will depend largely on the GPU), and #2, since it already feels like a Nexus device, I would miss things like Active Notifications and Voice Controls, and the great camera UI (even if pictures are a mixed bag).

Kyle Wilkins

What phone from the Motorola line up did you like most? I was considering the Maxx. Using a Galaxy Nexus I have grown fond of the on screen keys and I know the Maxx doesn’t have them, so how the Maxx feel with the hard-soft keys?

jnt

Well for one, they don’t take up any screen space. I’m used to the GS4, though, so I’m used to NOT having on-screen keys. So the Maxx is 5″ all the time. The X will be roughly (I think?) 4.3″ when the on-screen keys are there.

I haven’t had my hands on an X yet. But unless the form factor just really wows me, I’m not sure if I can give up the battery life and larger storage on the Maxx. Plus I’m looking at full retail… so that’s what, only $50 more right now?

Justtyn Hutcheson

If you factor in the 6 months of GPMAA, its pretty much the same price.

That said, I’m having a really rough time of it between the X and Maxx. Both are locked and unlikely to be unlocked (still no word on root for any Moto X unfortunately), updates should be roughly the same, so its smaller device vs. bigger battery. I need to get them side-by-side….

jnt

Ditto… if the X can get me through a day with ease, I’ll probably prefer that. I don’t *have* to have 32gb of storage, and I’m sure I’ll prefer the size of the X. But I’ve been seeing mixed reviews on the X’s battery life, especially on Verizon (go figure). I’m not so worried about it being locked any more. If I can get root, great, but for me it’s not the end of the world to not have that.

Justtyn Hutcheson

I’m pretty sure I’ll get through a day no problem, but I’d much prefer to get root for tethering purposes. And my wife its almost a necessity.

jnt

Ah, yeah… I lost unlimited a long time ago, so I can tether whenever/wherever I want… for a few gigs… :/

David Verba

I can confirm the X’s battery. 5:30pm-11pm with about 20% battery left (battery saver turned OFF) 2.5 Hours of Streaming Google Music, moderate using all day. With every damn feature available turned on. I will say this about the radios: THEY ARE AMAZING.

In my house I get 1 bar of 3g on my GNex (on a good day)
the Moto X gets 2 bars of 4g in the house.

The Moto X really is a great device – love the feel, LOVE the active notifcations. It’s really nice being back on a motorola device after being away for so long.

Buur

Was holding out hope that this would end up on Verizon as I am itching for a new phone. Going to have to take a 2nd look at the X now as this is not promising.

Justtyn Hutcheson

I’m trying really hard to hold out for a dev edition X on Verizon, but it’s becoming increasingly difficult especially without any new info for the past month in that regard.

breadable

But it’s supposed to be released within days! Join me in just refreshing the moto page every few minutes, it’s gotta be anytime now!

Justtyn Hutcheson

Lol. I’ll give them “days” on the carrier announcements so far, but as of today we’re at “weeks”. They’d better throw out some more info with the quickness.

Jeremy Martin

No VZW makes me wonder if another device will be popping up soon. Did the Galaxy Nexus cruise through the FCC as one device or different devices?

jnt

It was different I think? But that was a LONG time ago… 🙂

Menger40

The unlocked and Verizon Galaxy Nexus are physically different inside and out, so I’m sure they had to go through as two different devices.

Jeremy Martin

when you say “unlocked and Verizon Galaxy Nexus” i get what you are saying but I just want to clear it up a bit…both phones are unlocked. The only real difference that made it “locked down” was that on the CDMA version Sprint/VZW had to approve the updates whereas the GSM version of the phones got updates directly from Google. But they were different inside which is why I am hoping to find a new Nexus phone pop up with VZW support.

Menger40

Yep, I was just differentiating between the GSM one sold on Google Play and the one Verizon sold through their stores. I could have said it better.

Adam Truelove

Verizon will not be getting another Nexus device.

Justtyn Hutcheson

I’m guessing they will when CDMA is no longer necessary since Verizon can’t block any device from LTE. I’m not expecting any amazing epiphany from VoLTE, but at least there’s a chance at that point.

Murrzeak

I think in no way it’s gonna have 800 on board. No with that price tag..

Steve B

It’s confirmed.

Brady Owens

Looking for opinions here. I think most VZW customers are pretty pissed right now and not just because of this. Here’s my question: Has VZW gotten so bad that someone with Unlimited data should consider jumping ship? I love my service, but Verizon has either been late, EXTREMELY late, or will not carry the hottest phone at that particular time. Is anyone with unlimited data considering a move to ATT or elsewhere or is that crazy talk?

Josh Carroll

Not to mention speeds here are crap even with full bars. I used to regularly get 20+ Mbps. Now I’m lucky if I get over 8 Mbps.

michael bourgoin

same with me in LI/NYC area – i dropped them for tmobile last year with the nexus 4 and i’ve been really happy. No they dont provide 100% like for like coverage, and VZW does have them beat, but its not by much and now im paying 30$ a month. Cant beat that

Andrew

I was lucky to get over 5 mbps in Cleveland. Switched from unlimited data to AT&T this week. With work discount I get 5 gb + tether for the same price on an individual plan.

I was nervous to leave vzw after 10 years as a customer, plus to lose unlimited data, but the lack of phone choice as well as subpar speeds was too much. I’m getting 25 down and 14 up in the same place my vzw got me 3 down and 1 up yesterday.

BobButtons

I get 48/48 in southeastern WI.

Justtyn Hutcheson

If I lose unlimited I’m gone from Verizon. But, until then, I’m sticking with them, as I’ve never had an issue.

I have however considered dropping VZW for T-Mobile. It has flexible pricing and good coverage where I spend 90% of my time. AT&T’s new GoPhone plans are really enticing too, assuming I could stay under the cap.

Brady Owens

Totally understand that. I haven’t either. Still its frustrating not having the devices other carriers have available in a timely manner or at all for that matter.

kfath1978

Verizon considers a “power user” the minority….They dont care about pleasing us or care if we leave. Do we even want the next Nexus on Verizon to begin with??? My contract is up now and I am just waiting to jump ship…end of story.

JetRanger

Well, they better watch out. Because this “Power User” here on Long Island they don’t care about, just took 3 other “casual users” with him to T-Mobile. Oh, and 4 other “Casual Users” that work in my office are tired of bending over for VZW too,

EDNYLaw

Though I have not jumped from VZW, I’m strongly considering it when all the contracts are up. Currently, I have 2 lines both unlimited data, 700 shared minutes, 500 out of network texts and unlimited in network texts and 250 texts. That runs about $160/month (and that’s with a 19% discount). My fiance pays about $60/month for AT&T with unlimited data, maybe like 1000 minutes per months and no texts. So, in total we spend ~$220/month on phones.

I looked at T-Mobile, to get 1 unlimited line (me), a 2.5 GB line (fiance) and a 500 MB line (mom) with unlimited talk and text it would cost $120/month. Now, that’s not exactly apples to apples, but even if we were to get unlimited on all lines it’d be $160/month. A savings of $60 to $100 per month depending on the plan. The biggest factor will be service. Every where I’ve checked (using websites) T-Mobile’s service seems to be good. However, wherever my fiance gets residency (don’t find out until March 21st) will determine whether we switch or not. If T-Mobile has good service, it’s good bye VZW. I love Nexus phones, I have the GNex, but it’s getting old and I’m tired of paying huge sums for something that might be just as good for substantially less.

I’ve also been with VZW for about 15 years. I can honestly say, their service where I lived in Long Island is atrocious (Patchogue), in Boston it’s decent, especially when up high, upstate NY (Rochester) it’s good and in NYC it’s usually terrible at street level.

randoodle78

This is what I needed to hear. Thanks. I’m seriously considering leaving VZW when the new Nexus comes out.

Prox

I left VZW for T-Mobile, never going back to VZW.

EDNYLaw

That’s pretty much what I wanted to hear. I’m sick of VZW and their consistent screwing of users like DL fans. It’s a little nerve racking to drop something and know you’re losing their “network” and unlimited data, but I really feel like the “network” is marketing. At my house in Long Island, I get 1 bar of service and that’s 3G service, in Long Island, not exactly the boonies. In NYC I consistently get terrible service. In Boston, it’s been pretty good. But if T-Mobile equals that, I’ll be ecstatic to switch.

Plus, the more I hear about the N5, the more it sounds like the absolute perfect replacement for the GNex. With the discount of the N4 now, I can pick up 2 for my finance and mom and get me a new N5 and still pay less than getting 1 phone on VZW at full retail to keep my unlimited data.

BobButtons

I’d be all for doing that except their coverage is pitiful at best in Wisconsin (where I live). If you look at their map and put the marker halfway zoomed in on the meter, you’ll see 90% of the state is categorized as 2G or Service Partner. It’s horrible.

Dan Letsch

Same thing here in IA. I really wish I could switch.

Chip

I just left Verizon for T-mobile. I just couldn’t handle paying so much money and not be able to do what I want with my phone. Regardless I’m happy I switched.

EDNYLaw

That’s pretty much what I wanted to hear. I’m liking the idea of picking up 2 N4s for $400 and an N5 for, presumably $350 (hopefully) and spending $750 on 3 phones as opposed to spending $650-$750 to one off contract phone on VZW. Sounds like a deal to me.

BobButtons

Convince them to give half a rat’s ass about covering WI with anything other than 2G or “Service Partner” and I’ll join ya in a heartbeat.

JetRanger

I live in Lake Grove and left VZW two months ago for T-Mobile. No issue whatsoever on the Island. It works for me great .. Lots of 4G LTE popping up everywhere … The service is much faster than the random LTE we get out in Suffolk with VZW. Even T-Mobile’s HSPA+ “4G” is way faster … I even get good 4G down on the Outer Beach at Smith Point when my friend is stuck on VZW 3G with his GS3 (sometimes, he will sniff one bar of LTE for a while down on the beach, but not consistently). I’m loving saving almost $1K a year …. Go T-Mobile!

PhoenixPath

Considered and done, though the service from VZW in my area has actually turned to crap in my area over the last two years.

The G-Nex debacle nearly pushed me over the edge itself though, and the HTC One not ebing available at launch pretty much sealed the deal.

I had 5 lines with VZW. I have moved 2 over to TMo (which actually has better service in my area, go figure), and the rest are moving over as the contract dates come up.

JetRanger

Good to hear! You hit the nail right on the head … T-Mobile is good for where YOU will be 90% of the time … Thats the key if TMo has good service where you spend most of your life, tell VZW to take a hike and enjoy CHOICES in life for a change!

PhoenixPath

Couldn’t have been easier. Wish I’d done it sooner.

Had my G-Nex…hated it. Had a line come out of contract with VZW.

Kept it and paid $99 for an HTC One on T-Mobile. Tried it for two weeks…loved it. Dropped the VZW line and haven’t looked back.

Another line dropped a month ago. Three left and we’re done with ’em.

ninjawarren

I think I see a removable backplate. Notice the lack of a IMEI sticker on his phone compared to the N4? Could be because it’s an unreleased device though.

anezarati

i dont know exactly what an IMEI sticker is, but under the apparent LG logo there is some writing.

ninjawarren

Look at the N4, there’s a sticker on the back with the IMEI and serial numbers on it. The HTC One has stickers like that too, since you can’t get behind the battery, which is where they usually put that information.

michael bourgoin

yeah i know what you’re talking about, but why would i keep that sticker on my phone? I pulled it off the first day i got it and put it in the box. – just bc the blonde decided to not take hers off, doesnt mean the dude has to be so stupid

michael bourgoin

that is a render – not an actual picture of the phone.

If you look in the leaked shot you can see it under the LG logo

ninjawarren

I was talking about the actual picture, not that render. The lettering you can see is the typical FCC badge stuff, I don’t see anything big enough to fit the IMEI. Maybe they screen printed it really small along with the FCC information.

michael bourgoin

i dont know, but when i look at the back of my nexus 4 and i compare it to the photo, it looks similar to me.

Menger40

I wish, but from the FCC pictures it looks sealed. The NFC and cell antennas look like they’re right beneath the rear shell, so I think the battery would have to be sealed up behind them. I sincerely hope I’m wrong and it’s removable, though!

ninjawarren

I know I’m in the minority in this, but I’m actually hoping it’s sealed. You get better build quality when it’s not designed to be taken apart.

Menger40

I hear ya. If I didn’t always slap a case on I might feel the same way.

acras

The pics from the FCC filings on one of the sites stated non removable , and it would have to be non removable with the NFC coil and wireless charging coil mounted on the back plate otherwise you would have to unplug them somehow when you take the back off, then plug them back in

aaron nyquist

I like that in the picture you can see the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4, and the new Nexus. Though Google pulled the video, I would guess that they new the FCC info was coming and staged this to hype it up. Either way I am excited to see it at launch.

Big_EZ

That looks and sounds like it’s going to be a nice phone. Only downsides is the small battery, no microSD slot, and it’s not coming to Verizon.

Elliot Kotis

Moto X has small battery, look at it!

Big_EZ

Yes, but it also has a smaller 720p screen and X8 that helps with battery drain and it only has ok battery life according to reviews. This has a larger screen, 1080p, and no X8 and the battery is only .045% bigger than the X.

LionStone

But the N5 will have a Snapdragon 800!

Mauricio Sanchez

Oh my God, this phone is beautiful. I need it.

Justtyn Hutcheson

*this artistic rendering is beautiful.

The image at the top is nothing but a guess, based on the image from the video. Its probably reasonably close, but I wouldn’t start swooning over it.

zurginator

This is why the human mind baffles me.

You find it beautiful, I find it hideous. Aren’t opinions strange?

Weber

What turns you off about it?

zurginator

The dual orientation of logos (LG is portrait, Nexus is landscape), and the awkwardly huge camera cutout.

That’s pretty much all you can see with the blur of the original photo though, anything else is speculation and I won’t comment on it yet.

StuckOnVerizonForever

That battery bothers me. 1080p and that…uh oh. The HTC One isn’t that great on battery.

Rammstein

I’m on Verizon but I just may buy the device for the hell of it.

socarwolverine

Might as well get a T-Mo sim card and see how the service suits you in your area. You may just decide to leave VZW altogether.

Rammstein

I already have one from my time with the Nexus 4. Coverage in the city is excellent. HSPA+ speeds would almost always be above 15Mbps even in the peak hours. However, I regularly go out to rural areas and thats where the Tmo disappoint occurs and why I’m with VZW.

socarwolverine

Same situation I’m in, Tmo out at my workplace is nonexsistent data-wise.

Prox

left VZW over a year ago, after using them for 12 years. Best move I ever made.

Steve B

I’m at 13 years. I’ll be leaving in December when my contract is up. I CANNOT wait for the new Nexus device.

Philip A. Kaiser

Ditto

Droidzilla

I would be all over this phone if I didn’t have the Nexus 4. Nexus phones really do cure the whole “new phone fever.” If I had a GNex, though, this would definitely be my next phone. I know it’s not released yet, but Google has yet to drop the ball on phones (Nexus 1 was awesome for its time, Nexus S was awesome for its time, Galaxy Nexus was awesome for its time, and the Nexus 4 was a game changer for a lot of us). I’m going to guess that some of the cool sensor tweaks in the Moto X find their way into the Nexus 5, too; we’ll see.

zurginator

I can definitely agree with that – the only reason I see myself buying a new phone at this point is if the headphone jack returns to the bottom.

Jeff C

but but but but but 🙁

KenBarnum

Bye bye VZW

Andrew

I used to hate reading these, but since I activated my new AT&T service yesterday I’m much happier.

Also, my LTE is 10x faster for me on AT&T than it was on Verizon for the last 8 months on the GNex.

Steve B

Verizon used to be fast, they’re not anymore. I can barely pull down 8mbps, when I used to be in the 20mbps range about a year ago.

Andrew

100% agree. I was lucky to get 5 down the last year or so. When they first rolled out LTE I always was over 30. It seriously went downhill when the iPhone got LTE.

picaso86

When I had my TBolt used to get AMAZING speeds, but after the iPhone 5 came to the network my Razr seems to be running in 3G speeds. Horrible! My contract is up in December and I am gone!

bobfrea

I’ve generally had decent speeds over the last 21 months on my gnex, but it had degraded. it was painful to visit DFW area getting 40mb/s and then return home where i get < 5. that can't just be congestion–they didn't allow for such speeds everywhere. 🙁

Just wait until AT&T completes their LTE rollout, network congestion will hit it too – enjoy it while you can.

Guest

Im hoping its not as wide as the nexus 4

Elliot Kotis

5″ screens are longer.

Don Crist

Se ya later Verizon.

sc0rch3d

i think my Moto X Decision just got put on hold

jnt

Are 5,000 sites what they’re planning on launching total for AWS? Or just the beginning? If the former, I’ll stop thinking about AWS support as a factor in my next phone(s)…

Justin W

That’s just the beginning. The band 13 is your typical LTE, while AWS is the next step in their plan to increasing their LTE bandwith (and it’s going to help with VoLTE’s rollout late next year as well).

Justin

perfect excuse to leave VZW at the end of the year.

Josh Carroll

Yup, same boat here. Contract ends in early Jan. AT&T has great LTE coverage at my work and home.

Justin

mines up in feb. i use 10gb of data a month, i will not pay 100+ for data. unfortunately AT&T sucks where i live and work so i have to go t-mobile. but never the less this was one of the final nails in their coffin for me.

Eric Peterson

I’m leaving on the 29th of December 🙂

Justin

buddy! yeah, its going to be different. no more group of us VZW kids. we are all growing up. *tear

breadable

The next poll DL does should be “When are you leaving Verizon?”

I have to wait until next July to be contract free

StuySix

Unlimited contract ends next Sunday (9/15). Debating between getting the Maxx or G2 at full price – and possibly selling/switching to Tmoblie when they get Motomaker for a 32Gb X.

Steve B

December 15th for me. 2 year anniversary of the Gnex. New Nexus, new carrier, can’t wait.

Ken Bosse

I have been free to go for over a year. Just waiting on the final specs to see if I’m getting the G2 or this on ATT or Sprint.

There will be a mass exodus of Gnex owners fed up with Verizon’s crap, seeking new Nexus hardware and freedom from carrier tyranny.

Eric Peterson

Same here. Wifey is already on T-Mobile.

Matthew Morrison

My Birthday!! : )

Jeff Helget

Holy huge volume rocker, Batman!

palomosan

That’s just a mini Nexus 7 2013.

Josh Carroll

No VZW means I’ll be a new AT&T customer soon. Screw you Verizon.

BloodiedWraith

I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been with VZW since 2005 and I’m getting tired of it. They’re becoming too greedy and what they’re doing in regard to bootloaders (especially with the HTC One when no other carrier blocks it) it’s just becoming too much. I have a VZW HTC One that is bootloader unlocked because I bought it on launch day but if the bootloader wasn’t able to be unlocked I wouldn’t have bought it. It had over 24 god damn bloat apps!

I’ve worked with AT&T for 5 years and I’ve seen the network in my area drastically improve over those years. Hell where I work VZW with full bars of LTE is usually less than 2Mbps down AND up whereas I get usually 17Mbps up 13Mbps down with AT&T LTE.

My biggest hesitation has been with losing my unlimited data. But if VZW doesn’t get the next Nexus device I’m going to buy it and switch to AT&T. I’m done with them.

Josh Carroll

Yeah grandfathered unlimited data is going to hurt to lose. I kind of wish Verizon would finish bending their customers over fully and eliminate grandfathered unlimited data (we all know they will sooner or later) so it won’t hurt so bad to leave.

geedee82

That would certainly make it A LOT easier. But at this point I’m prepared to do it no matter what.

DanSan

at this point its like pulling off a bandaide, just do it already we all know its coming.

Im still holding onto my unlimited, jumped on the GS4 preorder back in april. good thing i have a dumb phone on my line i can use to do my upgrades but they will close that loop hole soon or later.

Jonathan Isenberg

I think they might have already closed that loop. My brother just got his GS4 by using my grandmothers dumb phone line.

They forced her to upgrade to a $30/month data plan, let her purchase the phone, then transferred it to him. When they transferred it to him, they forced him to sign a two year contract because he was receiving a new phone on the line, and they made her keep her data plan, even though they she switched back to her dumb phone.

I’m pretty sure that what I said above was accurate in his situation, but it could be different. The changes may already be in progress…

socarwolverine

I haven’t done it myself, but I’ve read that it only works if you activate it on the dumbphone line before you transfer it to the unlimited line. If you don’t then you’ll lose your unlimited. Also, best to do these things in a corporate store, unless you did, then sorry.

Jonathan Isenberg

I hope all of you are right because I want to hop off my VZW GS3 and onto a Moto X.

Then again, my brother could have screwed it up.

I guess we shall see.

On a side note, do you ever think that VZW will stock a 32GB Moto X?

socarwolverine

The 32GB Moto X is exclusive to the MotoMaker site. That site is supposed to be available to VZW in a month or so. When/if it is, you should be able to get the Moto X on Verizon.
If you’re looking at the X, why not consider the Droid Maxx? Or is Size/Design an issue with that?

Jonathan Isenberg

I was considering the Maxx; and believe me, that battery life is very appealing to me. The only thing that was stopping me is the design of the X and the fact that it uses software based buttons.

The size isn’t too much of an issue, it’s more the shape.

I may wait until it comes down in price (maybe towards next spring).

socarwolverine

Gotcha, I’m indifferent on software vs. hardware buttons.
They never seem to drop off-contract price so waiting does nothing for me. Right now it would cost me more money, over two years, to buy the phone with an upgrade than to buy it off contract.

Man i hope you’re remembering that wrong. i was just advised by a VZW rep to do this. Upgrade my wife’s dumbphone line, switch phone to my line, then remove data from her line. then i’ll be back to original plan with an upgraded phone.

DanSan

He messed up somehow then. I did it in april and had no issues. A friend of mine just replaced his gnex last week and did the same thing, no issues.

upgrade the dumb phone, activate it. turn it off, reactive the old dumb phone on the line. bring the new phone to your line by swapping in the SIM card and putting the IMEI number in on the website. done

What are you all doing to need unlimited data? I guess you must be streaming audio while out and about?

I’ve got Spotify and I have downloaded my favorite tracks for offline play.

I’m with AT&T on a 2GB plan and I rarely exceed 1GB.

Wi-Fi, FTW!

Raj Bhatt

I’ve been with VZW since 1999 and I’m grandfathered into unlimited.

It isn’t that I do anything crazy, it is more about being able to if I need to. Just like I can LIVE off of a few hundred dollars a week, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want unlimited money in my bank account just in case.

I don’t want to lessen the experience of my device by worrying about doing things that might make me go over my limit on data. Does that make sense?

I suppose, but I just don’t have a need for unlimited data. Sure it would be nice, but having never had it, I guess can’t miss it.

Raj Bhatt

True, losing it wouldn’t affect me much. But having had it for years at the same price they charge for 2GB/month kind of adds insult to injury.

NyReynolds

While I won’t knock you for saying Wi-Fi ftw, what I think a lot of heavy users gate is the fact that these companies market how fast their network is then they turn around and try to make you use as little as possible by using data caps, price gouging when you go over the data cap, and in some cases throttling.

Some people don’t have WiFi. My g/f doesn’t have it nor does she have a computer of any kind. She relies solely on her mobile phone for data and access to the web besides what she can do at work or my place. Believe it or not only 30% of the world is connected to the internet, and the US accounts for 78% of that traffic.

jt O’Brien

I use Play Music I download movies. I tether. In the past week alone I’ve used 6GB

I guess because I don’t (and never have had) an unlimited data plan, I can’t relate. I already know it’s not an option with a 2GB data plan.

KleenDroid

Why do we know they will get rid of the grandfathered unlimited users? There are not many of them left. They either already tricked most of them over or those that wanted to keep it couldn’t pay full price for a phone.

When I went in and purchased two S4s at full retail the salesgirl told me that not many people do that.

Verizon makes plenty of money from us. We pay full price for phones and are loyal customers.

Droidzilla

You can also sell your unlimited data plan. I sold mine for $100 last year, and my sister just sold hers for $200 (for a single line). Sell your VZW plan, sell your HTC One, buy a Nexus 5, and pocket a couple hundred bucks for the deal.

Do a Google search for “assumption of liability, unlimited data Verizon”. It’s basically someone just taking over your account, phone number and all. I believe there is a form to sign, but I could be wrong. I have never done one, only some light research when my girlfriend’s mom upgraded their family plan and my lady lost her unlimited.

Let me know if you all have questions. It’s the best way to leave Verizon if you want out; you get out, you make money, and it’s all 100% above board and legit. No lies, no trickery.

woot

search ‘verizon unlimited’ on ebay

jwildman16

How does one go about selling an unlimited plan?

StuckOnVerizonForever

the black market. don’t forget to include a kidney.

Droidzilla

See all of the above. Another note for people wanting to do this: the person taking over your line will have to pass a credit check and will be automatically put on a one year contract. Doesn’t matter how long’s left on your contract, they’ll be on a one year. Also, data lines can be added to people’s existing plans, but only if they’re already on one of the old Family Share or Nationwide plans; if they’re on Share Everything, they’re SOL for adding unlimited data lines. Anyone without an existing plan can AOL any data/line and will be put automatically on a Nationwide or Family Share plan.

Raj Bhatt

Can I keep my phone number (port it to another company) and still sell the plan?

Ben Myton

Not when I tried to do it (December 2012). The assumption of liability includes the number associated with the account.

Raj Bhatt

Dang. Thank you for the reply. I wonder if I port the number out if VZW can assign a new number and keep that line on unlimited without having to sign a new contract.

Ben Myton

The order of operations would be important… The standard process of porting your number includes a direct notification from the new carrier to the old carrier instructing the old carrier to terminate the account.

You may be able to do the following:

1. Request a new number from Verizon.
2. Wait 24-48 hours for your existing number to be “free”
3. Open a new account with the new carrier and specifically request your old number (and hope that it is in a pool of numbers they have access to, and hope no one else grabbed it at random).

Good luck if you decide to try.

Raj Bhatt

Thanks!

woot

if i remember correctly, you can do something to the tune of…

1. port the number to a new line (say on t-mobile), and don’t tell verizon
2. after the port is completed, maybe 24-48 hours later, request a new number from verizon for you unlimited line
3. transfer the account ownership to new person

That’s a really high-level view, but you get the idea

Raj Bhatt

That’s pretty much what I want to do but I’m wanting to:

1. Port the VZW number to Google Voice
2. Have Verizon generate a new number for that account
3. Port my current Google Voice number to T-Mobile
4. Sell my VZW unlimited plan.

GVoice says that when you port a number in, it immediately cancels the prior account it was on…

Ben Myton

As a side note, don’t port the number you want to use long term into T-Mobile or anyone else. Port your “good” number into Google Voice so that the carrier you chose doesn’t matter.

Raj Bhatt

Yeah, my current VZW number is the one I’ve had for over a decade and the one that everyone has. I’m porting it to GV so I can use it anywhere. My current GV number is a local number for where I live so people can finally stop asking me where my number is from (Colorado area code).

Droidzilla

If you port the number before a new number is put on your old plan, you will get hit with the early termination fee.

Droidzilla

Everyone is correct about the AOL. You CAN port your number, but you have to work with the buyer. Here’s how to do it:
Have the other person take over the line, then activate their own device and port their previous number over. Once their number is ported, it frees up your number to be ported. Then you can port it to your new service or, better yet, port it to Google Voice and never worry about a ported number again.

Be warned: if you port your number before it’s freed up, you will incur an early termination fee. I recommend going with Cell Phone Forums or Howard Forums for the sale so that you can work with the buyer a bit (it’s better than eBay, in my opinion). Good luck, and let me know if you have any questions!

Raj Bhatt

Thank you!

htowngtr

No, I don’t believe so. They would “inherit” your number and everything. From what they explained you simply place them on your account and they take over everything then you remove yourself from the account. There’s no way to “transfer” a plan to someone else.

jimv1983

Sell the plan? What are you talking about? That doesn’t even make sense. Do you mean sell your used phone?

PhoenixPath

Had 5 lines on VZW, all unlimited. Down to 3 now.

I have two on TMo and couldn’t be happier. I will be moving the rest over as the contracts end.

VZW lost a long-time customer over the G-Nex debacle. The slowly degrading service in my area over the last year and a half hasn’t helped them either.

jimv1983

I would switch to T-Mobile too if I could. Sadly, their coverage is horrible in the San Francisco bay area. Not quite as bad as Sprint but still unusable in many places. I’m on AT&T and will be sticking with it.

jimv1983

AT&T isn’t any less greedy but because of how a GSM network works you don’t need AT&T’s approval to use a phone on their network. Get a SIM card and put it in an unlocked phone and you are all set.

BloodiedWraith

I work for AT&T – believe me, I know how greedy they can be and I know how GSM works.

I will be going T-Mobile I think myself by the same principle applies. (I will still end up there no matter what when my unlimited is gone)

Justin

same. ^_^ i use on average 10gb a month. im not going to pay 100+ for just data.

palomosan

Tmobile sucks in regards to their plans, they keep slowing down your speed, my friend has an N4 and he has to keep on calling then, his speed drops all the time and he has the unlimited plan.

bbplayer5

This is completely false. Ive used 16gb this month, and Im still flying high on LTE.

Matthew DiGiacomo

Yeah I concur. Never seen a data slow down AT ALL.

nexus5

Honeslty, using a phone on T Mobiles network is one of the most painful things I have experienced… aside from using a phone on Sprint’s network. You can contest all you want, but it is just a sad network

Ryan

I may have to disagree. I recently switched over to T-Mobile mainly because not only do I happen to know a district manager in my area, but after having the Nexus 4 for a bit, it picks up better reception where I work than my Bionic did. (strange because Moto’s radios are arguably the best, but the Bionic was a redheaded stepchild of the Droid family at the time) Calls work fine, HSPA+ speeds are good, even better when I tick on LTE once in a while when I need an extra boost. 30/15 (Mbits) on a good day is what I get. But, it can depend on the area as T-Mobile hasn’t been known to have the greatest network in existence, but they do offer some competition in the big cities.

Sprint on the other hand.. now that is a horrible network here in the DFW area. Had them years ago, dropped calls up the wazoo, my friend has an EVO 4G that can’t even keep a 4G signal, oh and the speeds suck on 4G too for that thing. (I would know because I had to download a ROM and there was no wifi at the time to connect to) Of course, it all depends on the area.

Yeah. I used 100GB just to check out the Unlimited claim after switching when they first offered the truly unlimited stuff. What may be going with palomosan’s friend is that old customers on OLD unlimited plans don’t really have unlimited. The NEW unlimited plans I think are more spendy than the OLD ones by a bit. Think data used to be $15/per month and unlimited even when data and smartphone were becoming popular with T-Mo. Peeps still on plans like those or older ones get throttled.

G_Romero

Not true at all. My T-mobile speeds have been blitzing fast. I can’t believe all of the “4G LTE” hype now that I’m not on Verizon anymore. I can’t tell a difference.

You’re sure you’re not on LTE? T-Mobile has LTE in a number of markets.

G_Romero

Yes, I have a Nexus 4, and it is unadulterated. Speedtest.net shows a difference, but does that difference matter when I can still stream, download, and visit websites in the same, if not more consistent, fashion?

GentlemanScholar

What type of speeds are you getting, and, if you don’t mind my asking, in which city are you located?

G_Romero

5 Mbps Down and 2 Mbps up. It’s not a 4G phone though, so those are T-mobile 3G speeds. Which are still plenty fast for streaming/surfing purposes (in my case).

I suppose. And I was happy with HSPA+ on AT&T, but when they turned on LTE in my market, it was like going from a dialup modem to cable.

NexusPhan69

AT&T HSPA+ 21 is not nearly as good as T-Mobile’s HSPA+ 42

StuckOnVerizonForever

Then your friend is stupid. Sorry to hear that.

GentlemanScholar

The N4 doesn’t have LTE (unless your friend used the hack/workaround to get it). So you’re saying that T Mobile is throttling his 3G data speeds?

athom07

Theres a lot of people (including myself) running the hybrid modems on the Nexus 4 (its even built into the latest Cyanogenmod nightlies) so hes prob talking about the 4g speeds (although I doubt they are getting throttled).

GentlemanScholar

Yeah, I know it’s not a difficult hack. I just never heard of anyone I know who is using the N4 LTE hack suffer from throttled data.

Matt Devo

This is incorrect, CM never includes radio images. LTE on the N4 requires an older or hybrid radio, which must be flashed separately from the ROM, plus an LTE-enabled CM build (which the official nightlies are not) or the LTE patch on top of an official nightly build.

athom07

1) It’s included in the OFFICIAL CM builds since 8/30
2) It was common sense that you have to flash the radios thats why I said “running the hybrid modems”

The fail was strong with you. SO STRONG.

Matt Devo

whether you intended it or not, your post clearly states that the hybrid modem is built into the latest CM nightlies (“it’s” references the hybrid modems, grammar 101). That’s the misinformation I was trying to correct.

As for the LTE functionality being enabled in CM20.2 official nighties, I’d appreciate a link as I’ve been unable to find mention of it or anything in the commit logs

athom07

Honestly, you can put your mouth on my nethers. You are the only one who was unable to understand what was meant, and if you think that I am going to hunt down the commit in some attempt to prove you wrong, you are mistaken.

TL;DR – put your mouth on my nethers.

Matt Devo

I’m not trying to break your balls, just saying that we you wrote was at best imprecise, and wanted to clarify for anyone who might have read your comment and thought they didn’t need to flash the radio separately.

Dorian Brooks

“Tmobile sucks in regards to their plans, they keep slowing down your speed, my friend has an N4 and he has to keep on calling then, his speed drops all the time and he has the unlimited plan.”

He didn’t reference LTE. That’s why I asked if his friend was being throttled on T Mobile’s 3G/4G/HSPA+ network because if I were to switch to T Mobile I would get an LTE phone.

Dorian Brooks

I see your point. Sorry I must of missed that “?” in the last sentence. I still dislike how AT&T, Verizon, etc. where able to get LTE classified as 4G when the original standard was LTE-Advanced. *sigh* the power of $$$. Curse their FauxG.

GentlemanScholar

Agreed. But based on a review of T Mobile’s website, it appears that if you go with 2 lines on their unlimited plan the second line gets throttled after 500MB. So maybe his friend is on the second line on his shared plan.

Raj Bhatt

T-Mo calls their HSPA+ network “4G” even though it is still 3G in reality.

I’m hoping they don’t throttle because I am seriously considering switching from VZW to Tmo after seeing all this Nexus info.

Droidzilla

I’m on T-Mo from Verizon. Initially on Verizon LTE, I got ridiculously fast speeds like 20-30Mbps. Then the iPhone 5 hit and my speeds tanked down to about 3Mbps. I switched to T-Mobile with my Nexus 4 and got anywhere between 3-6Mbps on HSPA+, so it was plenty 4G enough to compete with Verizon’s LTE. I just enabled the hybrid modem for the Nexus 4 that will allow LTE and now I’m hitting 11-27Mbps. Of course, it’s only going to be as good as coverage and congestion are in your area. If you’re considering it, I recommend going to T-Mobile stores nearby where you live and work and doing network speed tests on their phones. Test in both HSPA+ and LTE modes.

Raj Bhatt

Ok, that’s a great suggestion. I will do that.

Justin Kos

Beating the dead horse by saying they never slowed me down, but I’m on an atnt mvno right now

Jonathan Isenberg

A key factor in your friends speed could be network saturation.

Depends on how many people are in the area and how many are using the towers that he is using.

ButcherChop

Sorry, Palo. I switched to T-Mo and they’ve only improved their coverage and service within the last few months. I’m actually happier with them now.

EnX$$

not true i’m on Tmobile and im heavy user on youtube and browsing my data never slows down on tmobile. tmobile been great service better than at&t which i had before switching.

You should be looking to free yourself off those CDMA (read: excuse to have it our greedy corporate way and screw over everyone we possibly can) shackles and embrace the wonderful freedom of the real worldwide standard that is GSM. I’m not saying TMo is your only option, but it looks like they’re the only decent GSM carrier in the US that aren’t super-greedy or compulsively evil.

acras

Not saying that doesn’t happen to your friend , but as long as I stay under my data cap , I don’t see any slow down at all with Tmo . Latency could be better , but my speed is consistant , and 3g speed is actually better than verizon was in my area , made the switch to prepaid really easy for me

Robert Landrum

The main thing that sucks about T mobile is their indoor coverage. I support everything that T mobile has done in the past year but they MUST get that 600mhz band next summer when it comes on the market.

But even then, my go phone plan pulls 60-70 mbps and I don’t use over 2 gigs a month so I’ll prolly be sticking with it either way.

jman69

Unlimited with THROTTLE and unlimited without throttle are two different things. I pay $20 a month for data on my Value Plan (not offered now) and I maxed out at 31gb in one month watching Netflix daily. The LTE around my area is even faster since a few month ago and I max out at 25mbs.

monkey082506

I was going to jump ship from Verizon when the T-Mobile Moto X was available. Now that this rumored Nexus is coming out around the same time it’ll be for the Nexus. I don’t use my unlimited on Verizon as much as some do so it’ll be better to sell it to someone who’ll use it for what it’s worth.

KleenDroid

I don’t know what phone you have now, but I wouldn’t get rid of your unlimited just yet.

I never really used much data either until I got a couple new S4s. Now I am using an average of 30 gig a month between us. It seems since we have new awesome phones we are using them for so much more.

These new phones are nice and I feel bad for those who lose their unlimited.

Once you give it up it is gone forever.

Big_EZ

I use to use 6-8gb when I had a Droid X 3g. Then it bumped up slightly when I got a working 4g phone, the Bionic and RAZR (the thunderbolt rarely picked up 4g) to about 12gb. Once I got my Note 2 I’m using 16-18gb. I only see my usage going up from here, along with everyone else’s.

KleenDroid

Yes I agree. And roms for the S4 are about 2 gig in size. Yes I have wifi at home but I think you see what I mean.

The future is data. It is less expensive to pay full retail than to pay their rates for data overages.

NIGHTSCOUT

One thing many people don’t realize, is that apps, and the internet in general, become more data hungry over time. As websites are updated, they have more bells and whistles, and require more data load. This is why I refuse to step into tiered data, because I know that every month, my data usage creeps upwards. Right now, I’m at about 16GB on one phone, and 18GB on the other. I’d be paying through the nose, if I was tiered.

Justin Geerdes

How are all of you having 16-18GB of data. I barely use 2GB. Are you all constantly streaming off of it? Video maybe? It cannot be for normal use… I do use wifi as much as possible when I can though

NIGHTSCOUT

I NEVER use wifi, because I have unlimited data on VzW. Alot of video streaming.

monkey082506

Proud GNex owner, but I can’t justify the price per gig I’m using, if I used 30, even 20 I would reconsider but I’m not a heavy data user, T-Mobile’s unlimited will be plenty. Yea their coverage isn’t as good but I’m usually in big cities so I “shouldn’t” have to worry about that as much.

michael arazan

I need verizon because I travel to places that are always never covered by t-mobile, granted I also have gf unlimited, but the speeds are abysmal started off 15/10 now 8/2 barely justifying it being called lte. But with coverage and only $30 a month for unlimited they’d have to take that away before I leave, plus everyone I know has vzw and I’m still using minutes so I save a ton of minutes with people on the same carrier.

Also does it seem like with all the bands on the Nexus 4/5 it looks like they purposely left VZW LTE band off on purpose?>
There really is no reason not to add one or two more bands on there.

KleenDroid

Yes their speeds have plummeted. Back with the Thunderbolt the speeds were crazy fast. Now certainly nothing special.

Shilamar Drea Shockley

You can a better deal with prepaid Tmobile and unlimited data if Tmobile works in your area. No one ts to suffer with an old phone.

tmobile is great (data plan wise) right now i believe im paying $20 for 2gb for 5 five phones. And the thing is if you go over the 2gb limit, they dont charge you or cut you off; they just throttle your speed. then again i dont know if the other companies do this too

Jeremy Martin

I used to be a huge “gotta have that unlocked bootloader” guy. Partially I still am. Only because i want to run CyanogenMod to get close to AOSP experience as I can. Nexus devices offer a Google direct pure Android experience so I get the upset feelings regarding that. However I do have to admit if I owned a Motorola X phone I would not feel the need to have an unlocked bootloader with Blur gone for the most part. If Motorola keeps with the look they put on the Droid Ultra/MAXX and X phone then I might just be happy with the Motorola offerings and my Unlimited data on Verizon.

Dale

Verizon likes to have control. I would venture to say that if there were going to be a Nexus 5 for Verizon that it would be a Verizon only device (like the GNex). With this device it would be easy to create a Verizon version and enable the LTE band 13. This way Verizon has control and you can’t take your phone, leave, and go to another carrier with the same device.

I say there will probably be another Nexus 5 going through the FCC at some point.

Josh Carroll

Screw that, toro was a disaster. Unless it’s the same device as the other carriers, VZW can shove it.

Dale

That’s what I am saying. Same exact device that only works on Verizon’s network. Verizon has never sold a device (to my knowledge) that you can take to Sprint or AT&T and get activated for their network.

Josh Carroll

Yes, but that’s largely because of CDMA. The fact that the device that went through the FCC can support CDMA/LTE on Sprint means either a) google told VZW to take a hike or b) Verizon told google no thanks. In either case, VZW manages to screw over people who want an unlocked device. So I’m done with them.

Dale

Probably B.

If the Nexus 5 doesn’t come to Verizon I will probably move to AT&T. It’ll save me $16 a month anyway.

jimv1983

Verizon uses CDMA so having an unlocked phone is meaningless.

Geoffrey Gunter

This would make me very happy. Even with slower updates I’d be willing to go this route. I have a rooted VZ Gnex and I always just install the latest updates that route anyway. Better than no Nexus at all, and I can’t change carriers because I live in an area with basically only Verizon and everyone I know is on Verizon.

Dale

I agree. I couldn’t care less if it didn’t get quick updates (or at all) if it had an unlocked bootloader – You know the developer support would be through the roof.

You can’t blame Verizon for the lack of compatibility, so “screw you” seems a bit unfair.

With that said, I honestly never expected to see CDMA in any form in a Nexus device. This really surprised me.

Josh Carroll

Seriously? Verizon did everything they could to bastardize the Galaxy Nexus. It’s all Verizon’s fault. I don’t blame Google for not wanting a Nexus phone on VZW one bit, even if Verizon would have one (which I doubt they would).

EC8CH

Google and Verizon have two entirely different views on how cell phones should be purchased and software should be controlled.

I hope to god that VOLTE will give Google the upper hand in pushing through their model onto Verizon’s Network.

Agreed, but I spend 99% of my time between my home and work and in the Sacramento metro area, all of which has excellent AT&T LTE coverage.

Geoffrey Gunter

Great for you.

Idon’t Know

I’m thinking about switching to AT&T now, getting a Moto X and maybe getting the Nexus 5 when it comes out. I really hate to give up that coverage though plus I have unlimited on Verizon as long as I pay full price for phones.

cns2007

Exactly, this was the only thing that might have kept me on VZW. Between this, the lateness of the One, and the whole MotoMaker exclusive (though that’s Motorola’s dumb decision), I’m probably switching to AT&T. I will check out the New Maxx beforehand though. That seems to be getting some pretty good reviews.

Rodeojones000

Same here. I just called Verizon to find out my exact ETF as well as my contract end date. I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row prior to making the switch.

Droidzilla

Read above. If you’re on unlimited or even a Nationwide/Family Share with tiered data, you can sell your plan and get out of your contract. Don’t pay Verizon when you can instead make money off of them. If you’re on Share Everything, then may God have mercy on your soul.

Rodeojones000

Interesting. My wife and I are both on unlimited data plans. And the other details of our plan are also quite attractive in comparison to current VZW options. We’re former Alltel customers and still have that plan. I might have to look into this.

Droidzilla

I sold an ulimited plan last year for $100 and a tiered nationwide plan for $30. Last week I helped my sister sell her unlimited plan (she wanted out from under the Red Thumb, too) and she sold it for $200 within about three days. Now she’s also selling her VZW Galaxy Nexus. She bought a 16GB Nexus 4 for $250 and will probably be getting ~$350 for her stuff ($200 plan, $150 phone), so she left Verizon $100 richer than before. Now she’s on T-Mobile unlimited everything for $50 (my wife, sister, and I all went in so it’s $150 for 3 lines all unlimited). I also just activated LTE on my Nexus 4. Leaving Verizon is the best thing I’ve done phone-wise, but it all depends on coverage in your area. If T-Mo and/or AT&T have crummy coverage in your area, Verizon may be it for you.

Rodeojones000

T-Mobile sucks in my area. No coverage. But AT&T has great coverage. They’d be who I’d go to. Problem is my phone number. I use my phone for work and it would be a pain to have to get a new one.

Droidzilla

Sell your lines to someone you communicate with. Once they take over the line, ask them to let you know when they’ve ported their number over to the line which will free up your old number (agree to this beforehand). Then port your old number over to Google Voice and never worry about it again.

Andrew

Going to try Straight Talk first, low rates and no contract, but still will be using at&t sim card. If that turns out to be a bust, I’ll go no contract At&t. I’m getting tired of verizon bloatware and inflexibility.

Wolfpack93

If the N5 is based off the G2 and the G2 is coming to Verizon, why shouldn’t I hope that both phones would be compatible with their network? Perhaps I need to find the FCC approval for the G2 to see what networks it supported…

Hooley Woggle

No matter which, or even if both get it… Both VZW and ATT will ensure that all future Android handsets, including the N5, will have locked and rock-solidly-unhackable bootloaders in them before they’ll allow the handset onto their networks.

Tim

Same here. It would be T-Mobile if they had better LTE coverage in my area (NE Arkansas). I’ve been wanting to go to T-Mobile for so long, but they apparently don’t want my money enough to rollout their network with a stronger presence here. So, if Verizon doesn’t get this phone, then I’m probably going back to AT&T, which I’m really not looking forward to. It’s not just this phone, but this phone is an example of why I’ll be leaving Verizon. There are many more reasons, such as the way their proprietary crap slowed down the Nexus/AOSP processes and rollouts with my Galaxy Nexus, their continued reliance on their outdated CDMA network, preventing me from using the phones I really want to use or if I do get them, not having any battery life, etc. At least with AT&T, I can just swap the SIM between devices and I’m ready to roll.

Brad Breitenstein

Best move you will ever make. Plus you get google wallet which was near impossible to get on Verizon.

Robert Landrum

I recently switched to the Go Phone plans because T mobile’s indoor coverage is just terrible. I’ve been consistently pulling 60-70Mbps. I had to drop my N4 and switch to a SGS3 to be able to make this switch so I am very happy that the next Nexus will support Att’s LTE.

So for anyone that uses around 2 gigs of data a month. ATT’s go phone option is by far the best band for the buck.

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