Thursday, June 18, 2015

Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen says the FBI will be involved in
the investigation of a shooting at a historic black church that killed
nine and is being called a hate crime.

Mullen said the FBI would aid the investigation while speaking at a
news conference that was also attended by FBI Special Agent in Charge
David A. Thomas.House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford says that among those killed at
Emanuel AME Church was the church's pastor, state Sen. Clementa
Pinckney.

Authorities are still searching for the shooter, who's described as a white male in his early 20

I wonder if it will still be called a hate crime if the shooter turns out to be a white atheist motivated by a hatred for Christianity or a Muslim bringing jihad to America? Then again, the fact that the shooter spared a woman and told her to "tell the world what happened" indicates that the police have additional information that has not been released to the public.

The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective.

"The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective."

It's possible that he was a wigger who spent most of his life being bullied by blacks until he finally snapped. The recent blow-up of fake black victimhood probably didn't help his mental state. I went to a mostly black school and I was largely ignored by the thug crowd, but the white guys who tried to fit in with them received regular beatings. And this was in Canada, it's almost certainly bound to be far more intense in the US.

And congratulations to the black African community, for finally being able to open their eyes and provide witness statements to police. Any chance their eyes and mouths will stay open until next time, when the shooter is black?

MFG, they really are making up for 400 years of Dinsee Nuffins. "Clean-shaven, white male, early 20s, sandy blond hair, small build, grey sweatshirt, blue jeans, and Timberland boots". When one of them does it, "It was those violent streets and lack of opportunities. And the guns. The guns did it too."

FND:I knew a black from university in Brazil who was found dead on the beach under mysterious circunstances. The police said he drowned, but some of his dreadlocks was cut from his head or something, pointing to a possible murder case. First thing the Social Science cunts did was to call this a race crime. So the moral of the story is some minority ends up dead in mysterious circunstances, the first suspect is a white male.

Mastermind: "I went to a mostly black school and I was largely ignored by the thug crowd, but the white guys who tried to fit in with them received regular beatings. And this was in Canada, it's almost certainly bound to be far more intense in the US."

Went to a mostly black school in a Washington D.C. suburb in the early 90's. It didn't matter what you did, if you were white you got regular beatings.

The hate propaganda will be turned up to 11, but it will backfire upon them and be dropped. Whites are becoming a minority and a vocalized one at that, and they don't have the tyranny in place to shut that down, yet.

Was this is a political matter with bystanders in that the pastor was involved in SC politics? So far the fearmongering exercise is not going to have the truth, something is seriously missing from the chain of events either to locate the gunman or withhold information from public consumption.

Putin stated the West is utterly wrong on countless things and the ongoing situation is a artificial matter created by the farcical econo failed West. The media must not cover adults in leadership like Pres. Putin or cover the pure heinous disaster of the TPP.

Those who gone on before us died in their faith in a tragedy. Once again we are all faced with reality; now is the day of salvation and we never know when our time draws near or so abruptly.

It's an African Methodist church, so it's far more likely to be closer to Jeremiah Wright than it is to Martin Luther King Jr. I don't know if this was a factor in the shootings. I do wonder if this was one of the full fledged, dashiki-wearing, "social justice", "black liberation theology" AME congregations.

If it turns out to be a little white bottom gimp to some down low brother who was exacting some SJW revenge fantasy this won't even make the 5PM news.

So I wake up this morning to Comcast telling me the "location of hate in SC, kkk chapters growing" or some nonsense like that. But at least before the last shell casing hit the ground we had a racial description.

I prefer to wait until all the facts are out there, so I'll refrain from making predictions about political spin (as obvious as it is likely to be).

And I'll just say that its times like these where I wish I believed in God, because then I could pray for the victims and their families. Since I don't, I will say instead that I hope whoever did this gets caught and gets the chair for his crimes.

The pattern for attacks against churches in the USA is a member of the church who had a falling out with other members or personal grudges. If this were a real "hate" crime, it would be unique. of course the FBI is all over this. They might finally have a real hate crime to investigate.

Nah... this isn't a Muslim, you can go see his picture. Young, clean shaven, and 90s bowl haircut. Most likely a gay, atheist or neopagan . This is more of a neo-Nazi, Wade Michael, sikh temple type attack.

"(M) A permit issued pursuant to this section does not authorize a permit holder to carry a concealable weapon into a: ...(9) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body"

The media has a surveillance camera photo of the suspect, that's how they know his age, dress, etc. The fact he attended prayer service for an hour before the shooting makes it sound as if he was familiar with the place. 20-something White Male suddenly shooting his pastor . . . I'd bet a brand-new nickel it'll turn out to be a case of mental illness, known about but not enough to ban him from buying a gun, which he purchased legally long before the shooting. The race of the victims is central to the media but was irrelevant to him: he didn't shoot them because they were Black, but because the voices in his head told him he must.

Charleston is called the Holy City bc of all the churches. We'll see who benefits from this shooting... if it turns out like the fed-goons who dragged people out of their home after the Boston bombing, then not letting a good crisis go to waste will be the mantra. Perhaps wig and fake nose?... this guy may be more ethnic than first thought.

Is there any other kind? Just look at White Knight Leo here, wanting to put a man on the chair just because his feelbads are in full effect for this story and thinking natural rights are a thing apart from God.

Saw the picture: the fellow is in shape (athletic or military?); the bowl cut makes an effective defense against overhead cameras; neat appearance: for what he is dressed in, it appears o be fitted: say the difference between a Walmart sweatshirt and one from Chaps or Izod; and, in the photo I saw, he seems to be adjusting something in the small of his back.

Again, the best source of information immediately after an event is the Conservative Treehouse.

Lots of good info here and in the comments.theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/18/ame-church-shooting-police-have-identified-a-specific-suspect-surveillance-video-and-cctv-captures/comment-page-1/#comments

The prevailing theory is that he was recently attacked, which is why he has a broken nose and some bruising around the nose and eye. If he were to have bled on his shirt, then that would explain the stains on his right arm and shoulder.

Finally, if he was a Knock-out Game victim or attacked by a group of Dindus then that would explain his anger and his target. There could very likely be a revenge killing.

I saw a picture at WISTV.com where he is wearing a black leather jacket with patches of the old flags of Rhodesia and South Africa. He is identified and Dylann Storm Roof. Perhaps the son of immigrants from South Africa?

The reason I'm a little curious about the simple "white racist" theory is that as a general rule, most whites who hate blacks tend to prefer the gainfully employed, church-going blacks to the thugs and welfare queens, so these days, a church would seem to be a somewhat unusual target from that perspective.

We haven't yet tipped over to where rational people are shooting up public places, so this guy is crazy, one way or another. His logic will probably have at least one large pothole. I'm with the folks suggesting he's been on some sort of -zapam meds.

There is another picture up showing him in an orange jumper. Looks like he's done some sort of time before, but I don't know for what.

Six women and three men were killed. Perhaps it's unrequited love? He doesn't look like somebody that would ever have a girlfriend. He was also allegedly wearing a Rhodesia, South Africa apartheid jacket, which is convenient.

Overall he reminds me of Adam Lanza, a psychotic loser pushed to the brink by a pitiful, drug-addled existence.

Via Drudge, the general vibe is something is very wrong, I pray that the city is not burned down with the wrong people heading there to cause more pain to Charleston, a historic area to begin with. The persons picture has that abnormal glance or just something more was wrong than what is being released to the public, the narrative is off...

No, medications like cns depressants are not as problematic as when cns depressants with held from others. At that point, meaning when pain and anxiety are at a all time high, a variety of symptoms will start without proper anxiety treatment; chest pain, hot/cold flashes and other manifestations of anxiety. That level of pressure/pain will probably not turn someone into a killer or a selfharmer.

If the person in question was dysmedicated, its most likely anti depressants which will mostly likely in young people turn them into suicidal/willing to kill others under a trance of lack of care or over-care/over-drugged to the point where the irrational is rational. Overall, some snap, some will not snap.

If this is another failed refuse-to-care-patient once again, you wicked healthcare bureaucrats have blood on your hands!

Will the above the law FDA and mental health orgs face any responsibility? No, since the choies rest upon the person not the meds, lack of care, too much care, too much mental illness or irrational behavior gone wrong.

Meanwhile, cases like these make my personal self defense more difficult.

@ Salt “We believe this is a hate crime; that is how we are investigating it,” Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said at a dawn news conference.

So, if it weren't a believed hate crime, would their investigative techniques be different?

That question was asked - and the answer was, as should be - "No"

Ironically, the Mayor for once said something right, though I don't believe it was what was intended, nor did the news heads take it that way.

Basically - of course a guy walking into a church and killing a bunch of people praying is a hate crime. No mention of race in the statement.

Personally - I think "hate crime" is bullshit, and blatant BS is one of the few things that angers me early beyond reason. Seriously. A guy goes into a church, sacred ground, and commits a premeditated act of mass murder because he's all warm and fuzzy and compassionately loving toward them?

Fuck that. The shooter, and the victims, deserve justice (and to my mind that is a dead shooter)

And yeah - it's looking like we finally have a case of the dream "white hater" that supposedly exists under every rock and bed - but given the location of the shooting, I'm still figuring an atheist, pagan, or muslim convert. At the very least someone way off their meds.

They're reporting he's from Lexington, SC (which is near Columbia). The shooting happened in Charleston which is 120 miles away. If that's accurate then something happened regarding that specific church. This wasn't random. And his FB wall is private or blank but About says he lives in Columbia.

How many white people attend that church on any given day? Didn't he stand out like a sore thumb? Looks mentally deranged. Why was the service on Thursday? How many people total in attendance..I.E. how the hell did he shoot and kill the pastor and of things the senator unless he was a damn good shot? If a handgun, how does not one jump him and how does he get away? Must have been a small group. But again, crazy looking white kid in small bible study with senator?

"It's a hate crime. Gotta be a hate crime!" members of the church were saying in several news stories. OTOH, blacks will whites every day, and they murder even more blacks every day, and not a peep about hate or motivation other than poverty, white racism and oppression, and excuses.

Until the perp is ID'd and motivation proven with the evidence, color me skeptical.

It's a Baptist church on Wednesday. That is the traditional evening for gathering, prayer groups, accountability group check in, small group bible study, fellowship meal, etc. It's the second biggest day in the church week after Sunday.

I'll just say that Marxists have used black churches as organizing centers for decades. My guess would be that one of the advantages is that if someone lashes out then it can be framed as an attack on a Christian church. Seriously, does anyone think that the Reverend Jackson does any actual reverending?

I was reliably informed just the other day by an enlightened feminist Tor author with a Spockian gift for logic (she has postcard crypto patents!, a very smart person indeed) that racism can only be directed to those with lower class privilege. So, "white" is apparently a class but race is a social construct.

(Racism is such a poorly chosen word. Why, at its root it is actually class struggle! And there really aren't any differences big enough between ethnicities to get worked up over, so we'll just ignore those.)

A hate crime is nothing more than a criminal act due to racism, ergo hate crimes can only happen in one direction.

(It only *looks* like it's based on race but that's because you're evil and race doesn't exist. Why are you so concerned with skin color anyways? That's just a totally random thing that happens indicative of nothing else.)

This would not be a hate crime if he identified as transracial because that transclasses him, having now become an oppressed minority due to his adopted lower class.

(Perhaps the trans-distributive property of social marxism?)

I dunno, it's all very hard to follow. I guess you have to be willing to go into insurmountable debt and spend the best years of your life studying it before you can warp your head around it and accept it.

But, no, modern feminism has nothing to do with marxism. Or penis envy.

The shooter is a racist whackjob. His facebook photos include one of him wearing a jacket with an Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flag patches. That's way out there. Outside of a few Boers in the Highveld, I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments. (I know the current governments are bad, but South Africa's current government is not regularly giving people tire fire necklaces.)

"His facebook photos include one of him wearing a jacket with an Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flag patches. That's way out there. Outside of a few Boers in the Highveld, I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments."

It is alleged that the shooter said:You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Shouldn't he be going after mestizos then? Blacks do a pretty good job of aborting and shooting their own.

The prevailing theory is that he was recently attacked, which is why he has a broken nose and some bruising around the nose and eye. That will never get mentioned on lame stream TV, given what #91 said about the facebook friends he might have been bashed and sought out the nearest Jeremiah Wright. You remember how quick the media went silent when the white guy mass murdering inne cent blacks in Tulsa turned out to be native American getting revenge on the gang members that killed his dad, can't have people realize that the cops actually protect the criminals .Where is the sandy blonde hair mentioned? The mainstream media whitened GZs image to make him look white, this guy still looks olive.

I don't anyone is yearning for the return of those fascist governments

Zambian President Sata “We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural resources too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us the British civilisation. At least Western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us.”http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/davidblair/100175001/zambian-miners-crush-a-chinese-manager-to-death-remember-that-when-beijing-boasts-about-its-win-win-african-parternships/

One of his FB friends said they went to the same HS but didn't know him. The HS has ~2000 enrolled, 9-12, so large classes. Clicking through his friends it doesn't look like any of them are particularly active, most that I checked haven't posted more than once or twice in the last month. I'm not putting any weight into the FB friend demographics (any remaining actives probably dropped him by this morning).

While this is a terrible tragedy and I hope if the suspect is found guilty he's executed quick, yet it was strange to see actor Rob Lowe DEMANDING on Twitter that the media release a description of the suspects RACE! When it seems people like Lowe would have a problem with the media identifying suspects in other crimes when the race is non-white, black or Hispanic. I guess because that would be a stereotype, possibly racist and harmful in some way? B.S.!

While this is a terrible tragedy and I hope if the suspect is found guilty he's executed quick, yet it was strange to see actor Rob Lowe DEMANDING on Twitter that the media release a description of the suspects RACE!

Even Drudge's headline boldly stated that a white man shot up a black church. I welcome this and hope that the media will also include such descriptions later today, tomorrow, the day after and so on, when the races are reversed as they usually are.

There are many Christians in the New Right. And there will be many more soon.The general problem of it for those racial realists who are not fans of "Christianity" is the phony Universalism of Churchianity, as opposed to how Christians once properly saw the separation of the races. Seperatism is a main theme of the Bible. You should make your case for how the Church needed to respond to culture and also make your Biblical case for miscegenation and race mixing, to the utter destruction of a people and their land. This is only happening to Whites. I guess as Jesus said, "You deserve it".All you've done is bring the conflict within your society walls so it can do its destructive work there instead of keeping it without. Christian necessity, no doubt.But enjoy your soon to be minority and back of the bus (or front, if that fits) status, and that of your offspring. Certainly society will function on a moral and intellectual scale the way it did before Liberalism and the enslavement of and then free movement of peoples in response to "free trade" and "capitalism" and TheBrowning, no doubt.

Stateside media named suboxone as the named problem drug for shooter. (creepy omega anyone, this guy needed game)

Suboxone ruins lives and addicts more people on to a similar form of the prior drug/med of choice/need (that is, if there was an actual need for pain mgmt/opioid vibe, the side effects or withdrawal are BAD NEWS, memory loss/amnesia, anxiety, panic, possible suicidal/harm others type of issues can manifest) among any race, color and creed with those who got themselves into drug/mental health problems.

In other countries, which I'll have to fact check, absurd garbage like suboxone and other drugs are legal, people are free to party, OD or live in a total dope fog for life.

Overseas, these pointless drugs are legalized and dispensed with zero care to quantity and frequency, a person will eventually, recover, remain on S forever or OD from an awful existence.

Terribly, pain mgmt that returns a person to function properly has gone all costa rica, all bad.

FUBAR, this entire chain of events is awful all over freaking suboxone.

If you believe that the massive terror bombings of German cities and atom bombs on Japanese in WWII were justified acts of war then you should accept as legitimate a white man shooting up a black church and killing several congregants. As for choosing such a target, I'd say this is a better choice to help spark an overt full-on race war. Who cares about some black subhuman dregs getting gunned down in the street aside from race pimps like Sharpton and the lowest class of blacks who love to blame their own life failures on white machinations? When some nice, clean and civil negroes get butchered while attending church it is far more likely to raise the temperature of all non-whites inhabiting the USA. Obama hasn't done anything to end the victimization of whites by black and brown monkeys and neither has any government since at least as far back as forced integration. All white nations have a right to retaliate for assaults upon it regardless of whether the current state feels like it. I don't know what the truth of this attack is, but I have no problem with it if it turns out to be exactly like the press is portraying it. There is no acceptable alternative to cleansing our lands of all non-whites and sending them back to their continents of origin - by boat, plane or bodybags if necessary.

131. Blogger Josh June 18, 2015 4:04 PM A person who shoots up a church is not someone who follows Jesus.

Amen.

Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

If your war is white yankees trying to kill southern blacks churchgoers, I'll side with the black churchgoers.

"Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail. "

If your war is white yankees trying to kill southern blacks churchgoers, I'll side with the black churchgoers.

One of the dead was an anti-White gun-grabbing politician.

If one gun-grabber got killed for his political stance, it's not even a decent down payment on all the innocents killed by thugs because the law denied them guns to protect themselves. This goes double if was a Black gun-grabber agitating for the rights of thugs like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. They have all the crimes of their "community" to answer for as well.

How many of those "nice, clean, civil" negroes were on the streets of Charlestonthis month for the little 5yo white girl Allison Griffor in Charleston killed by 4 blacks http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150605/PC16/150609589 If races were reversed it would be national news. Actually Omar Thornton killed 9 after being caught on video stealing from his employer and fired. When Chris Dohner went on a shooting spree including a judges family, leftists still wanted an investigation into whether his Mexican supervisor was racist when he fired him for bad behavior. The media says he planed it for 6 months if so why only kill 9 people & couldn't he have figured out about wearing a hat?

Can someone tell me where in the bible it says it's disrespectful to bring in a sidearm with you to church in a dangerous neighborhood or time? Because my brother, 'theological genius' (read: retard who couldn't tell Marry from Merriam, much like Muhammad couldn't) that he is, said it was disrespectful.

I tried telling him that one of the problems that lead to the slaughter in Charleston was that Churches are gun-free zones and assholes, by definition, don't give two fucks and was trying to tell him about what Jesus said to the disciples about buying a sword when they were entering... Jerusalem I believe (yeah, I know. It's ironic I'm not sure what city they were going to when Jesus said that and called him the theological retard, but lay off, I'm disappointed that Walmart doesn't sell spears), but he just kept repeating his bullshit like a magic charm.

So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, where is it in the bible where it says God's gonna be pissed if you bring a defensive weapon with you into a church just in case, He forbid, some asshole decides to be an asshole and shoot the place up and, He forbid, you want to have the best chance of getting out alive?

Gift from his father on his 21st birthday. So look for a call for background checks on every transfer between citizens.

We already have that in WA state, courtesy of a school shooting a year ago. It's a total clusterfuck. We had to suspend shooting events on BSA property for a few months while the lawyers figured out what the hell the poorly written (probably on purpose, to make firearms ownership as complicated as possible) law meant, because it appeared to say that handing someone a rifle at a rifle range so you can instruct them on it's proper use required a background check.

Lots of churches were destroyed by the Allies in WWII. Could it have been helped? Perhaps, but as Sherman once said "War is Hell". Churches, schools, malls whatever. The goal is victory in war. Half measures are doomed to fail.

Sherman didn't march into Atlanta and say "There's thousands of our enemies here, in homes, stores, bars, whore houses and pool hall. Let's start by killing a few in that church over there...."

Though, I do suspect in the not too distant future, churches will become central targets. Religion is an element in a culture war, and Sherman may come off looking pretty damned compassionate compared to some of the characters we may see.

Jack Amok, Sherman's bummers burned churches. He had no specific orders about what was to be spared.

They didn't start with the churches, and they didn't just burn churches. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand? If they guy had shot up a mall, a bar, and a church, there'd be less fainting going on.