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Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

I wouldnt compare the naruto that fought sasuke at the begenning of shippuden to the naruto who has full control over kurama and is working with. When Madara tried to summun kurama it didnt incapacitate naruto it only make him suffer for a short time and he was ready to fight shortly after. We still got to see what happened to the mizukage but saying madara will control kurama is pure speculation. As for PS madara himself said a bijuu is comparable to the power of his susano and kurama fought 5 bijuu alone and destroyed them so for me BM naruto can face PS and maybe over power him.

But i would say its 50/50 for both side and the only current madara is edo madara, he was never on that level while he was alive and his prime is probably when he fought hashi because he awakened his rinengan before he died and was probably really old.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Originally Posted by shelke

This thread is still going? What the hell? People here seriously think Naruto can take on EMS madara with a perfect sussano, amatersu, enton, arrows, and his monsterous chakra, his strength and battle experience? The hell? The man made Kyuubi his personal *****, and back then, Kyuubi had full Chakra, not half. The Kyuubi within Naruto only uses half of that. What does simple logic tell you? Full chakra Kyuubi >>>>>> Half. Naruto fanboys are quite deluded, I see.

stop naming jutsu madara doesnt even have fanboy.....naruto>every form of madara (except EDO)

Originally Posted by shelke

why can't he? He controlled it when Kyuubi had full chakra and without the rinnegan. Naruto only has half the Kyuubi and its chakra within him. Who is stronger? The point was never whether he can control and tailed beast within Naruto or not, the point is, a man who can control a fully powered beast, can't overcome a boy who is only drawing half its power? Logic, please.

Don't get *****y with personal attacks. By god...lol. Just listen to yourself. Amatersu, Enton, sussano, Arrows, tsukioymi are default with MS and EMS. what are you even babbling about? These abilities have nothing to do with rinnegan. Which manga are you reading?

And which Biju? It can't be nine tails, because he controlled it when it had its yin and yang chakra. How can BM Naruto be stronger than Madara when he is only USING HALF ITS POWER? Give me a break...

you have no proof that madara can control kurama while its inside naruto

Originally Posted by shelke

^ There is no evidence to suggest that he won't be able to. Madara was and is feared among the entire ninja world for his powers. How can BM naruto possibily beat him? I get it, it's a shonen manga and ultimately Naruto's rainbows will shine bright, but if this wasn't, Madara would lay waste to all who appose him in his EMS form. Remember, he NEVER wanted to be revived as an edo. He must have had enough faith in his strength to chose his original form.

i already list how naruto can beat him

Originally Posted by tripol

You should be asking how can't Madara win. Remember...non-edo Madara has the complete susanoo and is on EMS mode...while Naruto's BM mode can only last 5 mins.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

:sy::sy:
Where do I start?

Current Madara
without edo is more powerful

Madara has wood(which controls chakra of a bijuu)
Madara has rinnegan(his own eyes before learning and giving it to nagato)
Madara has meteors
Madara has perfect susanoo
Madara has flower world
Madara has wood clone (that fooled 5 kages and only his sharingan could see)
Madara can do 25 susanoo
Madara has the war fan(that deflects tbb back to the sender)

Madara used wood to attack and naruto borrowed chakra from the kyuubi and it finished just to stop it
Madara hasn't shown his amaterasu
Madara didn't use his perfect susanoo from the start since he was never serious with the kages so don't say he would hav died.
Before naruto met madara they said tbb will smash madara, he didn't even need to use his rinnegan to deal with it.
Obito has seen all naruto can offer so far and still knows that madara can handle both naruto and killerbee.

Sharingan follows naruto's speed as he was countered by the fan twice
Madara can summon the gedo statue, its his eyes
Fan deflects TBB
Perfect susanoo is more than the power of a bijuu (mangastream proof)
Madara stands on the head of the perfect susanoo, how naruto can even hav a chance to attack him without being seen first is beyond me.

Please be serious
Naruto is just a little lower or equal to EMS madara. From the kages fight, you can tell that when madara wanted to show his full strength, he used the SHARINGAN. PERFECT SUSANOO

Current madara without edo = Rinnegan + wood + EMS + PS + experience + gedo statue is just No chance for naruto even if he is not edo.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

you love wanking naruto dont you. perfect susano mops the floor with naruto. ems madara ends the match quicker as he wont be fooling around with rinnegan and mokuton. the fan already counters narutos rasengan variants.

I fail to see where PS stomps naruto when Madara said PS and a bijuu are about equal in power and u saw madara use his fan one time and it can block all the technics naruto has ? And ems madara doesnt even have rinnengan or mokuton

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

I never said that he wouldnt be able to, but some people said that PS would be able to own Naruto with little problem. Its not the case, Madara himself said that power of that technique is comparable to power of Bijuu, where Naruto has power of the most powerful one to his disposition. The clash like that would be real mayhem, for both of them.

IMO, if Madara was that powerful he wouldnt even bother by enslaving Kurama. Moreover, Minato, during his fight with Tobi suggested that Madara was able to control the Kyuubi only for short spans of time. Even with that, its power was worth enough for Madara to summon and use it againt Hashirama, even though he most probably knew beforehand that Hashirama is able to supress Kyuubis powers.

Which Biju? Madara controlled a perfect nine tail with all its Chakra intact. Even if I am to go by this, that his PS's power is close to nine-tailed beast, how can Naruto break it? Isn't he drawing his power from a half weakened beast?

Hasirmama probably won because of his incredible Healing techniques which he was skilled at without the seals. That's a huge advantage. Remember, Madara mocked Tsunade on this very thing.

By restricting PS movements with Kuramas tails like he did with other tailed beasts and shooting full powered TBB from point blank range? Something like that should be possible.

Show me a page where he will survive a perfect sussano at point blank? He isn't able to maintain his BM for long, whereas Madara can pretty much span PS. In point blank range, he'll become a target for his arrows, enton, amatersu, susanno's giant ass sword? Not to mention that Sussano has little to no prep time. Itachi set up up before kirin could hit him, and that was the lightening speed dude.

Madara said he gain a portion of hashirama power and their fight we dont know really know if mokuton come from their fight or its edo and for rinnengan he awakened it shortly before his death so u either want to debate on a ems madara in his prime or rinnengan madara who is old and weaken from his fight with hashirama

1. its true that the fan deflected the bijuu rasengan but we didnt really see it in action
2. He cant really use it since he is not edo and he probably didnt have it with ems
3. Kurama can fight on equal groud with PS like madara said
4 and 5. we still dont know if he can use these power
6. He controlled the kyuubi when he wasnt in naruto, we dont know if he can right now and naruto has full control over kurama
7. i dont think he can spam as much clone as naruto when he only has ems
8. Again he wasnt in is prime when he unlocked rinnengan so i dont think he has much experience with it.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Madara took on the five kages and defeated them with ease using his EMS abilities. I think I can guess where I am coming from. Let's see his other feats:

- Leader of the one of the most powerful clans in the whole ninja world.
- Only second to Hasirmama. They were relatively close in power.
- Abel to manipulate a full-chakra nine tailed beast.
- EMS with perfect sussano, that comes with tsukyomi, amaterasu , arrows, enton, and his susano's massive sword that leveled an entire mountain range. No one lived after seeing his PS sussano back in his glory days.
- He awakened the rinnegan.
- He was known to have a massive amount of Chakra.

And I am not even touching his gunbai, and uchiha gaeshi abilities, and the fact he is a skilled warrior with a load of war experience alone under his belt. How many wars has Naruto fought?

He can simply spam several of his abilities to take down Naruto who is drawing his strength from a weakened ninetail; it doesn't even have the Yin Chakra. I mean, someone like Sasuke was able to suppress Kyubbi and he didn't even have an MS then, and Madara won't be able to take someone like Naruto on. No, just no. This is hardcore Naruto fanboyism. There is NOTHING in the manga that shows it can break a perfect sussano. Nothing. Arrows are too fast, and when Naruto goes into a TBB mode, he'll die with Amatersu alone.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

4 and 5. we still dont know if he can use these power

Now it shows why you are underrating Madara so severally. One needs amatersu and tsykiyomi for the sussano. If he didn't have these, he would have a sussano to begin with, let alone a perfect one. Your knowledge on Manga is pretty sketchy, sorry.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Originally Posted by shelke

They are just wishful thinkings of a die-hard Naruto fanboy. They give ZERO proof that they can beat Madara.

I guess I can just repeat myself.

I never said that he wouldnt be able to, but some people said that PS would be able to own Naruto with little problem. Its not the case, Madara himself said that power of that technique is comparable to power of Bijuu, where Naruto has power of the most powerful one to his disposition. The clash like that would be real mayhem, for both of them.

IMO, if Madara was that powerful he wouldnt even bother by enslaving Kurama. Moreover, Minato, during his fight with Tobi suggested that Madara was able to control the Kyuubi only for short spans of time. Even with that, its power was worth enough for Madara to summon and use it againt Hashirama, even though he most probably knew beforehand that Hashirama is able to supress Kyuubis powers.

By restricting PS movements with Kuramas tails like he did with other tailed beasts and shooting full powered TBB from point blank range? Something like that should be possible.

As for the other EMS abilities, BM Naruto is able to counter them. Madara might have better chance of winning, but this isnt rape thread, not at all.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Lemme get this straight, we're talking about MA-DA-RA with all his beasty techs? Uchihagaeshi ring any bells? It blocked Naruto's mini tailed beast ball. That's one out of loads of techs. This goes to Madara with fairly low difficulty.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Originally Posted by BlacLord

Lemme get this straight, we're talking about MA-DA-RA with all his beasty techs? Uchihagaeshi ring any bells? It blocked Naruto's mini tailed beast ball. That's one out of loads of techs. This goes to Madara with fairly low difficulty.

Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

Why do people keep assuming the Kyuubiis only half as strong as he was before? People seem to conviently forget that chakra is a renewable resource. Why do you think the the seal inside naruto weakens as he ages? Because the Kyuubi is having its chakra return to it...... Also we havent seen naruto at full strength yet, at most half strength. The naruto fighting obito and Madara currently is a clone which means its at most 50% of Naruto's current chakra.