Don't act like you're letting your monarchy die off, either. I see people already trying to estimate the schedule for coronation of their latest unborn spawn.

Americans actually made more of a fuss than us (and by us i mean a small amount of weird people) if they actually allowed a vote to remove the monarchy - they'd almost certainly be removed from their lack of power

And the idiots that hate the Constitution (politicians and Left Wing drones) think rifles are the problem._________________The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
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Don't act like you're letting your monarchy die off, either. I see people already trying to estimate the schedule for coronation of their latest unborn spawn.

Americans actually made more of a fuss than us (and by us i mean a small amount of weird people) if they actually allowed a vote to remove the monarchy - they'd almost certainly be removed from their lack of power

Royalty. You people are so quaint.

Yes m'Lord. Whatever m'Lord commands.

With all those centuries of conditioning, no wonder Europeans are such willing drones._________________The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
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With all those centuries of conditioning, no wonder Europeans are such willing drones.

you should read your signature darling, i don't know what's funnier, the fact you think europeans all have a monarchy, the fact you addressed a queen as m'Lord, or the fact you think they do or say anything

to make the same assumption, you must do and agree with everything obama says right? of course you do, you voted for him

With all those centuries of conditioning, no wonder Europeans are such willing drones.

you should read your signature darling, i don't know what's funnier, the fact you think europeans all have a monarchy, the fact you addressed a queen as m'Lord, or the fact you think they do or say anything

You can't win this one. The fact is that it's the Third Millennium and you people still have a Monarchy, complete with throne, crown, scepter, and official state religion. You should be ashamed.

What's so bad about monarchy? Is democracy the unique legitimate political direction for a State? I really like the idea of a country being governed upon democratic principles, but it's not difficult to think about some places that worsened its life condition to the people when "democracy" (a corrupted one) came around. Maybe the government should adequate itself to the national culture shape, American democracy is really nice, but some monarchies through Europe are not so bad since they not function as they were in XVI century anymore. You could object and say that the kings and queens are a bunch of lies. The official religion is a lie. But, how much truth you can deal with? You know? The people is not supposed to always know the truth, for its own safety is most cases._________________'I' means I, 'we' means we.

You can't win this one. The fact is that it's the Third Millennium and you people still have a Monarchy, complete with throne, crown, scepter, and official state religion. You should be ashamed.

at what point have i supported these? lol, america is like the reverse - you say you don't have state sponsored religion on paper yet your christian nation sends it's christian armies to wage the crusades against other religions and races, hell your history is founded upon killing those who won't convert and taking their land (just like ours), you even fought a war to try and keep slavery.....

at least we don't refuse to help our sick and poor letting them die of diseases they can't afford to treat third millennium and you're still not a 1st world country, tisk tisk

You can't win this one. The fact is that it's the Third Millennium and you people still have a Monarchy, complete with throne, crown, scepter, and official state religion. You should be ashamed.

at what point have i supported these? lol, america is like the reverse - you say you don't have state sponsored religion on paper yet your christian nation sends it's christian armies to wage the crusades against other religions and races, hell your history is founded upon killing those who won't convert and taking their land (just like ours), you even fought a war to try and keep slavery.....

at least we don't refuse to help our sick and poor letting them die of diseases they can't afford to treat third millennium and you're still not a 1st world country, tisk tisk

Don't even try to go there. Europe: 2,500 years of Europeans waging war on other Europeans (without so much as a 75 year break), and waging genocidal wars of conquest, spreading disease, corruption, and religious persecution, and generally enslaving and exploiting the rest of the human race.

Virtually all of the instability and suffering going on presently can be traced back to European aggression. From the genocides going on in central Africa, to the violence in the Middle East, to the creeping threat of Chinese expansionism, to the poverty of South and Central Americans, to the clash of religious ideologies, to the clash of economic ideologies, to all the struggles for independence... it's all the fault of Europeans. All of it. And, it will take us centuries more to clean up the fucking mess you've created.

So don't even get started about how awful the U.S. is, based on your petty observations of it during the last few decades, while your country cowers, weakened by Europe's own propensity for violence and self-destruction, under the wing of its protection.

Oh, and there's nothing "first world" about turning your once-great society into some kind of pathetic, Orwellian nanny-state whose most defining feature is the prevalence of learned helplessness among its increasingly proletarian mass of unintelligible chav humanity.

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i believe i already avoided your "you did it too" argument by saying "just like ours"
you keep using this word european like you didn't come from us you're just as responsible as anybody else alive today and your feeble attempts to "clean up the mess" seem to involve doing exactly the same things... talk about not learning your lesson, at least we gave up our complete global domination for democracy and an attempt at peace

this entire thread is about how awful the US is...... and all your counter arguments involve petty observations of your own.... nothing new here

it will take us centuries more to clean up the fucking mess you've created

Remind me: what happened to the native american indians?

Well, the ones who survived the massacre that the Europeans inflicted on them went on to live in pseudo autonomous regions on the US.

And just a reminder, Sandy Hook was not the worst shooting in US history. That honor would go to the US government for the Wounded Knee Massacre, where the US government killed 290 unarmed natives, including 200 women and children._________________People Of Love

it will take us centuries more to clean up the fucking mess you've created

Remind me: what happened to the native american indians?

The Spaniards and French wiped out about 85% of them with their nasty European diseases. Then the English came and, along with the Spaniards and Portugese (and the French and Dutch), wiped out about another 5%, with their burgeoning colonies and absorbed about 5% through intermarriage.

Then, after hundreds of years of this, after the English colonies became the United States, the Americans slowly occupied the mostly deserted lands of the now-impoverished, uncivilized, and decimated remnants of what had been a vast a great collection of people, further integrating many of them, and driving those few who would not integrate into isolated pockets of unwanted land. Meanwhile, Europeans were busy chopping off the arms of Africans, violating Pacific Islanders, and corrupting, exploiting, and infesting with desease the beautiful and culturally superior Indian, Chinese and Japanese civilizations.

So once again, your ignorance hides from you the fact that Europeans were pretty much at fault for their demise as well. That's not just within the U.S., either, but also throughout North, South, and Central America.

at least we gave up our complete global domination for democracy and an attempt at peace

You didn't "give up" shit. You impoverished and weakened yourselves by childishly fighting wars of domination amongst yourselves, becoming so weak you were all but completely vulnerable to Soviet conquest. Even so, you still manage to cling to some of your far-flung "posessions", and to exploit others. I notice the incident in Algeria was an attack on a British Petroleum natural gas plant. Alas, the White Man's Burden.

Yes, the U.S. is an offshoot of that same European civilization: the shabbled remnants of the Roman Empire. But, our founders, after successfully gaining independence from it, specifically sought to avoid creating yet another massive entity, destined to oppress its own citizenry and become bent on imperial dominion. This is why they created a union of states, with the central government only permitted a limited set of specifically enumerated powers. It's also why they didn't want a massive standing army. It's also why they wanted all of the people, down to the individuals, to have specific, clearly-articulated rights which no authority could violate, and why, among those rights, was the right to bear arms.

We've failed to some extent to keep that centralized government the way the founders intended it. It has indeed become a massive, centralized, and self-perpetuating bureaucracy bent on ever expanding its power, in many ways oppressing its citizenry, and to some extent, bent on imperial dominion. We have, to some extent, become like our despicable, regrettable European forbears. But we're not a one-hundredth as bad, yet.

Meanwhile, if, in the pitiable, weakened aftermath of your most recent attempt at self-destruction, you Europeans want to collapse into a writhing, cluster-fucking ball of disgusting collectivist Borgism, feel free to. But drop the long-since inappropriate idea that you are somehow superior and in a position to tell us we're doing it wrong.

Well you would think that, you actually believe you're independent and have avoided creating yet another massive entity, that doesn't opress it's own citizens.... etc

This makes no sense; did you not read the third paragraph? Oh, wait. What am I thinking. Of course you didn't. You got to that point, and you knee-jerked. As I described earlier, the predictable response of the brainwashed, as the programming kicks in and overwhelms the independent thinking processes.

Well you would think that, you actually believe you're independent and have avoided creating yet another massive entity, that doesn't opress it's own citizens.... etc

This makes no sense; did you not read the third paragraph? Oh, wait. What am I thinking. Of course you didn't. You got to that point, and you knee-jerked. As I described earlier, the predictable response of the brainwashed, as the programming kicks in and overwhelms the independent thinking processes.

no i read it, just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i didn't have fun laughing at it, like your tired response of calling everybody who disagrees with you brainwashed, it's like you're....brainwashed....