This chart is getting past around a good bit, it really does bring it home so to speak.Thanks for the link to the original work. Another good pie chart would be the net worth of the people who paid for that little sliver of red and who paid for the rest, after taking out the government funded papers, I think the story that OWS wants to tell would be reveled in that much more private money supports the much smaller position. Climate Change is a area that really revels how money creates distortions in our public policy.

'Climate Change is a area that really reveals how money creates distortions in our public policy' - is so very true that it warrants repeating. That chart is very good and deserves wider readership. Never Give Up Occupying The Issues! Solidarity.

Thanks for the link, it talks about reaching a tipping point, long ago I learned about inflection points and I have spent many years watching their effect, a few decades ago Gladwell wrote a book about it,

"The loss of spring snow cover affects the length of the growing season, the timing and dynamics of spring river runoff, permafrost thawing, and wildlife populations. This was the third time in five years that North America saw a record-low spring snow cover, and the fifth year in a row that Eurasia has."

That was an interesting link. Thank you and it makes me think about buying the book. I agree with your premise and think that 'Runaway Global Warming' via positive feedback loops, ie. - more Arctic ice melt = more dark ocean exposure = increased heat absorption and decreased reflection & increased global temperature = increase methane and water vapour etc., - is not just possible but very probable. It's not paranoia, it's science! Never Give Up On Logic! Occupy The Math! Thanks again for your link. Solidarity.

The crazies have to have a reason to explain why they have been idiots for years.
Here is my idea for a new fuel - take all of the Rs politicians and put them in a room and use the methane they excreete from their mouths - to power a city.

In NY our daily high tides have risen at least a foot over the last twenty years. Truthfully science is forty years behind the times; my grandfather and I had concluded almost forty years ago that the seas were rising; science, environmentalists - all denied this until very recently. And now instead of addressing the impending issue of climate change we are focused on reducing emissions; worse we've attached a price tag to it and whenever you do that - especially if it's a government price tag - someone just grows rich at everyone else's expense. So there is no doubt that in the future we will inhabit less real estate. It irks me to no end that some have chosen to make a political issue of this; year after year we debate cause to grow our little political bases - WHO CARES - we should focus on solution. That's what intelligent people do, they focus on solution. I sincerely question the intelligence of our politicians and those underlings too close to the ever raging political fire.

NY. Our our daily tides here have been rising since at least the early 1920s; in my own neighborhood they are now a foot higher than they were twenty years ago. In my opinion, our tides rose a foot and a half over the last century. And I base this on repeated interviews with people of former generations.

Our use of fossil fuel must end - at the same time actions need to be taken to deal with the issue of the changing climate - like get people off of low lying areas on the coasts - as storms reek damage rebuild elsewhere. We can't spend all our time rebuilding storm damage that is gonna be repeated.

Unfortunately MR DKA that will not solve the problem; we've been reducing coal emissions since the 1950s, auto emissions since the 70s. It's just a bunch of political horseshit; it's time to re-engineer our atmosphere.

Have we? Have we really made a concerted effort? I think not - it has been mostly political BS. We do not attempt to re-engineer our atmosphere - HELL NO. We work "really work" at cleaning the atmosphere - removing the damage that we have done - at the same time changing our energy practices right now to stop adding to the damage.

In 1954, in the city of London, 4500 people died of lung disease due to coal inhalation. So, of course they have. And we've been improving auto emissions since the 70s. It's a bandaid because increased population demands outstrip our ability to improve.

I don't think we're going to see science implement any corrective measures. Our tech, unfortunately, is at least 40 years behind.

I think there is a real lot to consider; for example, what effect all those minute sensors... but yea, with quantum computing and years of study, I believe it may be doable. The thing is it might be twenty or thirty years before we can implement it so I want people to strap in now; I want science on board now. Climate control is something we may very well have to implement to ensure our survival as population increases. Is that too radically conservative for you?

It can be a more complete mandate. On the environment destruction pollution - climate change storms drought and destruction - needed upgrade to our power/energy base - linking in new industries and jobs ( paying a living wage ) to meet the needs of our present day realities and the coming future changes of a global warming climate.

I feel that this could be "the big one" the economic forces against the life interest here is great and growing. If we leave this one to "the market" like we do almost everything else, and that list is growing, then we may end our ability to maintain human life at anywhere near it's current levels, hard to say what the long term affect of that will be.

That researcher/photographer Baylock(?) that took those stunning time lapse photographs of the retreating glaciers? He was on Letterman last night and they showed a couple of clips showing the glaciers retreating.

Anyway some of this stuff about the changing environment is now starting to hit - TV - people are starting to see some of this information - on - the - idiot box.

I think we are past the point of ignoring the world around us.

Now we need to get pro-active instead of re-active. Plan and work for the future. Not run around and put out fires here and there as they pop up - and then figure if something better could have been done prior - while cleaning-up the damage.

Yep - thanks for the link - for anyone who would like to take a look - Global warming and it effects happening now - mans contribution to the acceleration - the fact that things can be done - and are not being done etc etc The segment did not get real deep into discussion but it did bring the subject to the table on MSM for the general public to see.

David talks like a rich man can't help himself with all the nothing can be done and we got to adapt, easy for the man with millions to say. I like Dave but ever since he got his big money just before Clinton raised taxes in 1993 he's been a little prissy.

Yes climate change is a hoax and only is redistribution of wealth. The Earth temp has only risen one degree over the past hundred years. The so called climate scientist / gore got busted a few years ago "climate gate" They continue to try new angles to keep the climate change "spinning" Now the latest is hurricanes are caused by Global warming. Too bad the cow farts did not work out well for them either

The thing about reality is it don't give a damn how stupid you are it is going to happen anyway, the ice is melting and if we are too stupid to do anything about it, well that's probably for the best. I'm sure God don't need stupid people in Heaven anyway.