yea the king is easy long. the pinkish reds seem to have a bigger dome than the green/yellow ones. i scooped up a couple and they fly identical to the greens/yellows but with a little more glide because of the dome. i was going to get some of the tourney plastic ones but after feeling them,i decided not to. theyre flat and just felt different,might be because of the difference in dome or just me but i didnt like the feel. i do know theyre flippier than vip which is a little more than id like to deal with

I know the northman is coming out in the tourney plastic as well I hope they keep the dome and glide of the vip because that is what set the orthman apart from the other discs in it same class is the glide. (oops hijacked my own thread).

Had to get one of these myself aswell. Picked the one with the highest plh and I do consider mine quite overstable. I also do not have the power I think this thing would need right now. I've generally been having trouble with drivers after winter

You check out the "FIrst [sic] impressions on the newest discs for the flight chart" thread, it's been discussed there. Basically it's probably the straightest driver for the speed category it's in. Surprisingly good in the wind. Damn fine disc overall based on a few throws.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Tried out a boatman yesterday, much more stable than I thought and it was pretty uncomfortable for me to hold.The wide rim plus the deepness of the inner rim made it really hard for me and my tiny hands to hold and throw.

zj1002 wrote:I threw a couple of them today. 169g and 17?g(i forget). Both flew nearly identical. flight was very straight with a bit of fade at the end. basically held w/e line you put it on. it performed s-shots beautifully. Threw it flat in a headwind and it tracked right before fading. reminded me a lot of a PD(a straight one). most of the throws were done in a 25mph+ tailwind and returned in a headwind. it's a nice disc, but falls in a category already crowded by a shat ton of other discs. it's a straight thrower with some late fade, and for the most part doesn't like a headwind over 15mph+

So after Blake talked up the boatman I was very interested to try it out. I got three (171, 173 & 175) and I thought that it seemed pretty stable in calm conditions it has a big fade (at least as big as any destroyer). So I was curios to try it out in headwind, since there are plenty discs that will do straight in calm conditions.Unfortunately my findings mirror ZJ's. I threw them today in 7m/s to 12m/s (~14mph-~24mph) and they would all flip over unless I gave them copious amounts of hyzer.

I've been thinking of replacing my strikers with the boatman, gotta buy a tournament plastic version and see if they'd fill the slot better than the striker does. Or I could jump on the mainstream train and switch to PDs, but meh, time will tell.

picked one up a while back and am very suprised more people are not throwing this disc it has fit nicely into my bag. The boatman seem born to be flicked and is grea at flying low and straight before fading out very useful on tight courses.

money 21 wrote:The boatman seem born to be flicked and is grea at flying low and straight before fading out very useful on tight courses.

My pinkish red boatmans are a lot more stable than the new glow wraiths I normally use for power flicks over 300'. I also bought a colorshift and it's only a touch more stable than a new flatish glow wraith. Thing is glow wraiths are easier to pick up but once they start to turn on a hard flat low line, I cycle them out of the bag.