The Bob & Chez Show Presented By BubbleGenius.com 6/16/16

The Gunsplainer: The AR15 and Gunsplainers; Hunting for Food; Sovereign Citizen Shoots Three People with an AR15; Lawmaker Holding Another AR15 Giveaway; Hank Williams Jr Endorses Hillary; John McCain Blames Obama for Orlando Massacre; Steve King Thinks Suspected Terrorists Should Be Armed; The Dems Filibuster Lack of Gun Legislation; University of Missouri Vigil Turns Into an SJW Guilt Fest; and more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the BobCesca.com Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.

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Pardon my gunsplainin 🙂 but when I was in FL I had to choose between a 9mm or a .357 revolver for my duty weapon. Now I weighed 116 lbs soaking wet so I wanted stopping power so I went with a Ruger Speed Six–a 9 mm can go right through and if they’re hyped up on drugs, it might not stop them. Mine looks pretty blah, but it packs a punch particularly when using hollow points. When I took it to the range for the first time with my husband he was in the booth next to mine and after a bit, he came over and asked whose gun was spitting out flames. I laughed, because it was mine. My weapon is MORE than sufficient for personal protection. There is absolutely no need for civilians to have anything more than a handgun or a shotgun if they want to “protect” themselves. And I would happily give up my gun rights and even my gun in order to reduce the number of mass shootings.

McCain is up for election again and I don’t think it will be a cake walk for him-at least I hope not. He just needs to retire and go to one of his wife’s many houses. He jumped the shark way back in 2008.

The Dixie Chicks were destroyed over their statements–their lives were threatened too.

That girl…holy shit…her self-centeredness is scary and if it’s representative of her generation…I just can’t.

What difference does it make if the Sig Sauer can use the same magazines or was modified to be able to use the same ones as the AR 15? Sure, it’s a correction, but, come on. If the second amendment truly guarantees guns, then, how about a “GIS” or a government issued sidearm? Issued at cost, manufactured and given to us by the government? Bet the NRA wouldn’t like that.

General impressions of Orlando is of a sexually confused, in desperate need of mental treatment guy who shot up a club out of his sexual confusion who, at the last minute made a call to emergency services and said something to the effect of “yay ISIS”, doesn’t make this guy an ISIS operator. It will however, make him a right wing propaganda tool.

Too bad the right wing can’t see the “political correctness” we were supposed to treat Bush with, and the total disrespect they’ve treated President Obama with. So…Steve King was saying that Pulse, a gay club, was suppressed by political correctness? And, they jump on immigration in response to…a US citizen??

The Republicans prove each and every day that not only are they incompetent and power crazy, beholden to the NRA and the one percent, they are now so stupid as to be actively destructive to our country. I sincerely hope enough moderately intelligent people can vote enough Repubs the hell out so we can get our government functioning again. You guys should run the stats for us as to how much the right wing hasn’t gotten done, like judges blocked, legislation killed etc.

When the ammosexuals jump up and down about the “false identification” of a gun, and they go all Gun-Splain-y; isn’t that an appeal to Political Correctness?

Gussie Jives

Given that you covered the Mizzou story in the same way that Chez did in his article on Banter, my comment to the latter bears repeating here:

The irony is that intersectionality is becoming the new norm of social justice circles, with gay and trans activism occurring side by side with anti-racist activism, typically amongst the same people. That’s the opposite of the segregation you describe here. If you cared enough to read past Daily Beast articles, you might know that, but that would get in the way of the narrative of college activists as “draconian special snowflake crybully whiners.”

What galls me about this attitude most is that the people who parrot this narrative also position themselves as allies of these groups, usually by opposing the most blatant of discrimination. But when it comes to the way language is used, issues of representation, of stereotyping, these same people are first in line to not only snidely dismiss these issues, but call them “Orwellian.”

Congratulations, you acknowledge that trans people should be able to use the bathroom they want and gay people should be allowed to get married and not massacred in a nightclub. What, you want a pat on the back? No, that’s the minimum we expect from ostensible allies. It’s when your boss Ben Cohen writes an article defending Ricky Gervais deadnaming Caitlyn Jenner, to name just one example, that shows the limits of that alliance.

It’s an example of one of those “microaggressions” you think are so silly. And the fact that you think they’re silly tells me that there are hard lines to your support of marginalized communities, lines that conveniently begin when they start to affect you personally. And I find that much more insulting than one tone-deaf college kid doing something stupid.

Badgerite

Actually, the “support of marginalized communities, lines that conveniently begin when they start to affect you personally” is what we call Enlightened Self Interest. A basic principle of American governance and politics. Lincoln said it best.
“If A can enslave B, then B can enslave C, and C can enslave A.”
Or, to quote the ever cogent Red Green,
Remember, we’re all in this together. Keep your stick on the ice!”
If you actually read Chez’s article about Bernie Sanders, he does have a king of “Get off my lawn” attitude but he also seems to be aware of that and concedes that the generation coming up may be much better in terms of its acceptance and embrace of diversity than his own. Read the end of his article on Bernie Sanders.

Gussie Jives

I’d really like some assurance that he is at least trying to give the generation coming up the benefit of the doubt. But it’s like he goes out of his way to find the worst examples of Millennial behaviour to reinforce that narrative, a trend I’ve seen far too often.

The microaggression example is the most stark. I’m hardly a sociologist, but I’ve been to Google Scholar a couple of times, and the term “microaggressions” returns 9,210 results. So when he says that term like he just threw up in his mouth a little–much like a right-winger talking about climate change–it’s a denial of science and I don’t like seeing science denial in my left-leaning talk show hosts.

Badgerite

Well, I happen to think the term “microaggression” is a stupid, meaningless term as well. Scientific? It basically means getting your feelings hurt. I hate to inform you of this but getting your feelings hurt is really a big part of life. If you don’t get them hurt by other humans than you will certainly get them hurt by mother nature. I applaud the acceptance of diversity by next generation. One of the things I have come to realize with Barack Obama as president is that the diverse nation that is coming may be a better nation than the one of homogeneity that existed before. I think it will strive to bring out the potential in all of its people and there is so much there that that can only be a good thing.
But you young’uns do go overboard a little. By the time you get to college you should be aware that most of the world probably does not share your opinion. And you need to be able to listen to, try to understand and counter with rational arguments those who disagree with you. You cannot simply expect to be ‘protected’ from other people’s thoughts. The foundation of any real democracy is free speech. And you cannot expect, nor should you want, professors in your schools to sugar coat reality for you during your studies. Adversarial debate is how we attempt to arrive at the truth.
If no one can challenge your opinion for fear of hurting your feelings, your self image, whatever, it is a way of censoring debate.
And that is never really good in the long run.

Gussie Jives

There’s a bit more to microaggressions than that. It’s usually making use of culturally common phrases that have an offensive subtext to them.

None of the people depicted intend to offend, but they’re ignorant to the subtext of what they’re saying. It’s one thing to come across somebody just being offensive once in a while. Microaggressions are something you face daily because it’s part of the broader culture. And this kind of cultural change requires a will to do so.

Put more succinctly, it’s less what people say and more how they react when challenged on it. If the will for introspection and learning about concepts you’re not familiar with aren’t there, that’s when I get worried.

Badgerite

It may be an “accepted sociological theory”, but it is also a part of human nature. Don’t expect it to go away anytime soon. Or,,probably ever.
🙂

Gussie Jives

Eh, calling it “human nature” implies it’s immutable. It’s still cultural reinforcement keeping these things alive. You’re absolutely right that they won’t go away soon; it’ll take generations to make that change. But it still has to begin somewhere and I’d like for those of us who hold ourselves up as allies to be the change we want to see.

Heck, I still fail to be that change from time to time. It’s part of learning.

Badgerite

You may be right. Look at the attitude change toward LGBT which would have been hard to believe only a decade ago.
Carry on.

Gussie Jives

Oh, and for the record, I’m 31 and studied engineering at university. I’m considered “millennial” by the standards of that term, but I haven’t been in university for almost a decade, so I don’t know if “young’un” still applies to me. 😉

You’re right that free speech is necessary in a robust democracy. There’s no need for us to tolerate someone being a dick and we’re well within our rights to show them the door when it’s clear a rational argument won’t be heeded.

I don’t give a shit what the exact model of the gun was. I really don’t. IMO, getting into gun nerd discussions about the exact make and model is a deliberate attempt to get off into the weeds and pull the discussion away from the fact that 49 people were murdered. Forty. Nine. The exact type of gun used doesn’t fucking matter.

I don’t need to speak the gun hobbyists’ language. If they’re more concerned with the exact make and model than the fact that 49 people are dead, then we need to be discussing their lack of fucking empathy and human feeling, not gun models.

If hobbyists want to have that discussion among themselves, fine, but the whole the news didn’t have the exact make and model right! is misdirection, and we all know it.

Great Cacapon sounds to me like an archaic exclamation of surprise, like Great Caesar’s ghost!

Eric Shute—who, completely irrelevantly, turns out to be lead vocalist for a New York-based death metal band—sounds like a typical sovereign citizen: barking mad and armed to the teeth.

John McCain is long past his best-by date. He really needs to retire from the Senate and have a long sit on the porch in his rocking chair.

Omar Mateen was absolutely not associated with Da’esh. Calling the Orlando murders by the preferred Righty conjuring phrase is nonsensical, blaming Barack Obama is nonsensical, pretending Mateen was anything other than a guy who had no chance of a normal life (his father is a real piece of work) is nonsensical. And trying to gain some partisan political advantage from the murders of 49 people is repugnant.

Political correctness? Political correctness? Steve King thinks 49 people were murdered in Orlando because he gets disapproving looks when he calls Barack Obama the n-word? Or is this some kind of super-duper ultra-special political correctness that only the cognoscenti like King can identify and oh screw it, I can’t even pretend to make a joke. Steve King is a terrible human being with all the empathy of a Pet Rock (ask your parents, kids).

Call me a renegade, but I’m a fan of Zeppo Cuomo (Gummo Cuomo, not so much).

I hope you guys are right, that Donald Trump’s insanity will drag the Rs down with him, but I fear you’re not.

I don’t expect the D filibuster will have any meaningful effect other than to force Rs to vote on gun-control legislation, and I don’t expect those votes to affect a single vote in November. However, and at the risk of sounding cynical (moi?), it may be a very good fundraising strategy for the Ds.

Those damn’ kids just won’t stay off you guys’ lawns, will they?

(Bob, you missed Chez’s fucking at 23:39.)

–alopecia

Badgerite

At least the Dems tried. There is a feeling of disgust building about this issue.
“A blow expected, repeated, falling on a bruise, with no smart or shock of surprise, only a dull sickening sensation and the doubt that another like it could be borne.”
Evelyn Waugh. Brideshead Revisited.
That pretty much sums it up. It isn’t even a question of whether it will occur.
The only question is who will the victims be this time. And how many.

muselet

Well said. (And bonus points for quoting Waugh.)

–alopecia

Badgerite

He seemed to describe the feeling perfectly.

muselet

Good question.

My take is that the donors and The Base don’t seem too concerned by mass shootings, so the GOP isn’t going to go out on a limb, no matter what opinion polling shows. It’s craven and obscene, and I fervently hope it won’t work much longer, but for now it’s the politically safe stance for Rs.

–alopecia

Aynwrong

What makes the environment on campuses so annoying (for me anyway) is that Republicans keep pointing to it as yet another false equivalency defence of the GOP.

The term Gunsplainer is perfect. You see these people online all the time. Their like Star Trek fans (which I am) venting their nerd rage in an argument over the intricate details of the Prime Directive.

Badgerite

“Suppressed by political correctness”. Steve King he goin nuts. Is he starting to turn orange? Just wondering.