Can anyone explain in detail how to do the high-pitched shrieking that Seth Putnam from Anal Cunt does? Or the high screams that Corpsegrinder and Blue Jensen from Guttural Secrete do?

Most of my screams naturally sound like those, actually. Might be because my voice hasn't fully dropped yet, though. I'm not sure if this will help, but try this, as it's basically how I do it: open your mouth wide and exhale in the highest pitch you possibly can. If you constrict your throat a little bit you'll give the exhale a rasping quality (note: I've been doing it for two years now and it has yet to wreck my voice, so I suppose it's okay). Now raise the volume - i.e. go into a pure "yell", so to speak - and you should have it.

I've always been good at hitting highs of all sorts; I used to be able to hit the highs from Job for a Cowboy's <i>Ruination</i> but I've lost the natural ability, due to puberty most likely. (Then again, the screams on that album are edited in the studio, so that makes me feel a bit better, knowing I was able to make a noise with my voice that an actual vocalist had to edit to reach.)

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Can anyone explain in detail how to do the high-pitched shrieking that Seth Putnam from Anal Cunt does? Or the high screams that Corpsegrinder and Blue Jensen from Guttural Secrete do?

Most of my screams naturally sound like those, actually. Might be because my voice hasn't fully dropped yet, though. I'm not sure if this will help, but try this, as it's basically how I do it: open your mouth wide and exhale in the highest pitch you possibly can. If you constrict your throat a little bit you'll give the exhale a rasping quality (note: I've been doing it for two years now and it has yet to wreck my voice, so I suppose it's okay). Now raise the volume - i.e. go into a pure "yell", so to speak - and you should have it.

I've always been good at hitting highs of all sorts; I used to be able to hit the highs from Job for a Cowboy's <i>Ruination</i> but I've lost the natural ability, due to puberty most likely. (Then again, the screams on that album are edited in the studio, so that makes me feel a bit better, knowing I was able to make a noise with my voice that an actual vocalist had to edit to reach.)

I tried doing just that and my vocal chords were dry and unable to death growl as low later on, big cocks in my ass maybe my voice just wasn't meant to scream?

Can anyone explain in detail how to do the high-pitched shrieking that Seth Putnam from Anal Cunt does? Or the high screams that Corpsegrinder and Blue Jensen from Guttural Secrete do?

Most of my screams naturally sound like those, actually. Might be because my voice hasn't fully dropped yet, though. I'm not sure if this will help, but try this, as it's basically how I do it: open your mouth wide and exhale in the highest pitch you possibly can. If you constrict your throat a little bit you'll give the exhale a rasping quality (note: I've been doing it for two years now and it has yet to wreck my voice, so I suppose it's okay). Now raise the volume - i.e. go into a pure "yell", so to speak - and you should have it.

I've always been good at hitting highs of all sorts; I used to be able to hit the highs from Job for a Cowboy's <i>Ruination</i> but I've lost the natural ability, due to puberty most likely. (Then again, the screams on that album are edited in the studio, so that makes me feel a bit better, knowing I was able to make a noise with my voice that an actual vocalist had to edit to reach.)

wait a minute, how do you know Johnny Davy's voice was edited for sure?? just curious

wait a minute, how do you know Johnny Davy's voice was edited for sure?? just curious

Because the band sucks ass on live shows.

haha!!

this always bugs me. I am an engineer and there's seriously no way to "edit" vocals to sound a certain way. people just say this cuz they get butthurt that another vocalist can do something that they cant. As far as editing goes, all you can really do is add distortion, which is audible, and mix out some of the muddy frequencies. that's IT. There's no autotune for harsh vocals. Don't use "oh they just use effects" as an excuse to not practice to get as good as the people who you are intimidated by. ok rant over

the sigh of frustration mate, the sigh of frustration. its your best friend when learning to death growl. at least like the way i do it. when you sigh frustratingly, you feel that rumble in the bottom of your throat, and thats how i growl. sounds similar to mikael akerfeldt of opeth or charles elliot of abysmal dawn

Does anyone know how low you can actually go with your voice, physically? I know Ville Valo can hit that ridiculously low B, you can hear it on the song Venus Doom, it's insane. Do you have to have a bass voice to be able to do that, or can you train your voice that low? Currently, the deepest note I can hit is an E, but it used to be a G before I started training my voice to go deeper.

Does anyone know how low you can actually go with your voice, physically? I know Ville Valo can hit that ridiculously low B, you can hear it on the song Venus Doom, it's insane. Do you have to have a bass voice to be able to do that, or can you train your voice that low? Currently, the deepest note I can hit is an E, but it used to be a G before I started training my voice to go deeper.

With vocal training even a tenor can hit low notes, but the quality of voice will be quite bad with anybody but those who are so inclined. This might not hurt in pop music when low notes are used just for a special effect, and the singers in pop are often not actually good singers anyway (they are often trained to manipulate their voice so they can perform cool tricks with their voice to impress people, but may not have received proper training and are propbably more often than not misusing their voice anyway). So, if you don't care about the quality of the note, with real training you, too, can hit very low notes. Ville Valo probably catches those low notes easily thanks to his excessive smoking.

According to wikipedia, the low extreme for bass (lowest male voice) is around C2 (which is just above the B you meant). Then there's that Tim Storms guy who allegedly sings C0 (inaudible to human ear). Again according to wikipedia, in Opera, the lowest that basses sing is D2, which is the low D of a drop-D tuned guitar.

Is there a difference between singing and shouting? Whats the difference between technical skill with singing, and shouting with pure intensity? I like don't consider a singer any musician that is a vocal accompaniment, I consider a singer someone who actually hits notes. Do metal singers use air from the diaphragm instead of from the chest or a tensed throat voice? Do most of them use glottal attacks?

Did Chris Thompson study the classical method of breathing and use it to sing rock?

Whats the difference between technical skill with singing, and shouting with pure intensity?

This differs from person to person, and it is largely dependent on the type of music you're singing. If you're singing second-wave Black Metal, for example, you're going to want a singer with alot of stamina. That's an example of technical skill, because then you've trained up your lungs to your singing style.

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Do metal singers use air from the diaphragm instead of from the chest or a tensed throat voice? Do most of them use glottal attacks?

Whats the difference between technical skill with singing, and shouting with pure intensity?

This differs from person to person, and it is largely dependent on the type of music you're singing. If you're singing second-wave Black Metal, for example, you're going to want a singer with alot of stamina. That's an example of technical skill, because then you've trained up your lungs to your singing style.

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Do metal singers use air from the diaphragm instead of from the chest or a tensed throat voice? Do most of them use glottal attacks?

What kind of metal are we talking about?

I'm referring to most metal singers either thrash, death, or black metal artists or clean prog and power vocalists, or both. Do they all actually use proper singing technique? or do they just scream their nuts off with their glottals? Singing lessons and vocal training teach you not just how to sing from the diaphragm but how to control your breath. Proper singing requires little tension.

I´ve been searching for a technique or exercise to keep the raspiness of my voice for the mid.high notes, my vocal style is in the vein of Tom Angelripper shouting and raspy screaming (like in Fuck The Police, or his work with Desperados and Onkel Tom) and also is similar to Chuck Billy´s style. My voice stays good for like 6 or 7 songs of intensity, but after that it starts to fade and get a bit weak reaching a little higher notes. Any ideas? Also I´m trying to improve my clean singing (wich is really hard because I also play lead guitar at the same time)

How do you all practice? I usually just sing along with songs and try to mimic a wide array of vocalists so that I don't end up being a ripoff of some other guy. First I start with gutturals, move up to lows-mids then do some immortal then something a lot higher like Carpathian forest or gorgoroth. I practice for about an hour each day, is this a good routine?

How do you all practice? I usually just sing along with songs and try to mimic a wide array of vocalists so that I don't end up being a ripoff of some other guy.

so you end up ripping off a LOT of other guys . kidding, I usually end up exercising my vocals while driving or just bored at the house. sometimes i dont need music (like after drinking a beer or two) and sometimes i'll listen to some music and after i turn it off while its still in my mind, i sound the lyrics, but in a different rhythm or structure. thats just me though

The thing I need work on most is building stamina...Does this just come with time? Right now I can only hold a scream/growl for about 5 seconds which makes me idolize those who can scream for like 15 seconds Anyway, I tried that thing posted earlier about laying down and breathing for 8 counts etc. Should I do that regularly?

I am a huge fan of clean vocalists who can shriek like wailers and air raid sirens viz. John Cyriis(Agent Steel), Daniel "John" Miller (Apollo Ra), Mike Soliz(Militia), King Diamond, Midnight(Crimson Glory) and of course Geoff Tate (Queensryche) and I have learned how to do that.

On the other hand there are many vocalists out there who can growl and shriek at the same time. Check out this album "Hammerhead" by an old school speed metal band called "The Unjust". The two ends of the vocal spectrum are demonstrated flawlessly by that vocalist.

Commandaunt: Take baby steps. The best way to let out a shriek or growl is to take a deep breath and then release. Start with 5 secs, then 10 etc. You dont wanna lose your throat or lungs first up by trying to do a Stace "Sheepdog" Mclaren or Eric Adams

I have a nice 4-5 octave vocal range. I can also imitate just about any singer's voice ever. I prefer clean and semi-clean vocals. Though I do harness the ability to do Death Growls and mid-range screams. I cannot perform the higher shrieks characteristic of Black Metal and Post-Hardcore, however.

I've been singing in a wailing/high pitched Dickinson/Halford/Dio kind of sound for the past two years. I can hit the fallsettos and many shrieks, and also my vocal range is high, however I want to know are there any exercises or ways that I could improve my vocal range?

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Ok so I've been doing vocals for about a year and a half just as a hobby since I'm mainly a bassist and guitarist, and have learned to imitate Trevor Strnad from The Black Dahlia Murder pretty well. I've recently been trying to learn how to do a more mid-low guttural type of sound, like the vocalists from The Red Chord, Misery Index, and The Acacia Strain. I've noticed that I can do it for a few minutes with a great deal of power, but after that my voice gets really tired. There's no pain or raspiness, my voice is just exhausted. I sang baritone in men's chorus and I would compare the feeling to when I would be put on the low tenor part and be singing at the very edge of my range for extended periods of time. There isn't any pain, I'm just over-exerting myself. Does anybody find that there are certain ranges of growls/screams that come easier for them that others, and does anybody think that the range of their voice has any effect on their ability to do harsh vocals in certain styles, or am I just overthinking it?

So, I do power and classic metal vocals, in the stylings of Iron Savior, Dio, and Axel Rudi Pell. I don't have a bad range, I'm at around 2 and a half octaves of capable singing area. The problem is, if I want to go outside of that, I really can't for very long or with much precision. What I'm looking to do is expand my range, but maintain the power of my voice. A great example of this is in the song Highlander by Lost Horizon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffF0e2h4TU skip to 10:30 if you just want to see what I'm talking about). I highly doubt that I'll get my range to that extreme, but it's a good long-term goal to have. Anyway, has anyone got any advice on how to go about doing this?

So, I do power and classic metal vocals, in the stylings of Iron Savior, Dio, and Axel Rudi Pell. I don't have a bad range, I'm at around 2 and a half octaves of capable singing area. The problem is, if I want to go outside of that, I really can't for very long or with much precision. What I'm looking to do is expand my range, but maintain the power of my voice. A great example of this is in the song Highlander by Lost Horizon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffF0e2h4TU skip to 10:30 if you just want to see what I'm talking about). I highly doubt that I'll get my range to that extreme, but it's a good long-term goal to have. Anyway, has anyone got any advice on how to go about doing this?

It cracks me up that you refer to that song, specifically. Those are certainly some majestic high vocals. As far as expanding your range goes, my advice would be to try to sing a song that's just a little bit out of your range. (I don't know exactly where your range is so I can't give specific songs but I'm sure you can figure that part out.) Once you're able to sing that song comfortably, find another one that's a bit of a stretch. Repeat this process until you can sing "Highlander."

I know it seems a bit simple but that method will work, given enough time and practice. Obviously, you might reach a physical limit on your voice but I guarantee that you will eventually expand your range as far as it can go if you work hard. Good luck! The world could use a few more Daniel Heimans.

So, I do power and classic metal vocals, in the stylings of Iron Savior, Dio, and Axel Rudi Pell. I don't have a bad range, I'm at around 2 and a half octaves of capable singing area. The problem is, if I want to go outside of that, I really can't for very long or with much precision. What I'm looking to do is expand my range, but maintain the power of my voice. A great example of this is in the song Highlander by Lost Horizon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffF0e2h4TU skip to 10:30 if you just want to see what I'm talking about). I highly doubt that I'll get my range to that extreme, but it's a good long-term goal to have. Anyway, has anyone got any advice on how to go about doing this?

It cracks me up that you refer to that song, specifically. Those are certainly some majestic high vocals. As far as expanding your range goes, my advice would be to try to sing a song that's just a little bit out of your range. (I don't know exactly where your range is so I can't give specific songs but I'm sure you can figure that part out.) Once you're able to sing that song comfortably, find another one that's a bit of a stretch. Repeat this process until you can sing "Highlander."

I know it seems a bit simple but that method will work, given enough time and practice. Obviously, you might reach a physical limit on your voice but I guarantee that you will eventually expand your range as far as it can go if you work hard. Good luck! The world could use a few more Daniel Heimans.

Thanks, mate! I figured I'd use it as an example of the best thing I could hope for ;D And I agree completely with your last sentence.

I've been singing in a wailing/high pitched Dickinson/Halford/Dio kind of sound for the past two years. I can hit the fallsettos and many shrieks, and also my vocal range is high, however I want to know are there any exercises or ways that I could improve my vocal range?

All of my choir teachers have told me that a good way is to sing a note that is just out of your vocal range. This worked for me, and it goes both ways. You won't gain any octaves or anything, but you'll be able to produce a few more notes than you could before.