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Although those are the percentages, it really isn't fair to everyone on that list. Kaepernick has started 4 games and he's 3-1 which is nice. But Ryan is 11-2 while playing in all 13 games. The top 3 has played in every game this season. At this point with Kaep, I'm trying not to look at the stats anymore except for one..wins and losses. I'm not a backer of Kaepernick, but the Niners are winning and thats fine by me.

Although those are the percentages, it really isn't fair to everyone on that list. Kaepernick has started 4 games and he's 3-1 which is nice. But Ryan is 11-2 while playing in all 13 games. The top 3 has played in every game this season. At this point with Kaep, I'm trying not to look at the stats anymore except for one..wins and losses. I'm not a backer of Kaepernick, but the Niners are winning and thats fine by me.

Sitting here in truck waiting to puck up kids, and heard on NFL radio.

Kaep pass to TD 56 to 1
Alex 17 to 1

"All we care about are wins, stats are for losers" - Justin Smith
" I donít know how to say itÖ I donít have the words for it. Let me say it this way, as Iíve said all along, you work at the pleasure of the organization." - Jim Harbaugh

Well, it's really not. We can't change anything, but we can discuss everything.

"All we care about are wins, stats are for losers" - Justin Smith
" I donít know how to say itÖ I donít have the words for it. Let me say it this way, as Iíve said all along, you work at the pleasure of the organization." - Jim Harbaugh

If one they dropped one of those games, he goes from 75% to 50%. I'm just saying that I would like to see Kaepernick play a few more games before throwing winning % stats out there. He's had a few good ones and a few bad ones that the defense bailed him out of one (Saints' game). In the last 2 games, the Niners 3rd down conversion percentage is at 19% and 29% since Kaep became the starter. I throw that out there because some people keep saying how much more efficient on 3rd down the Niners have been since Kaep became the starter. For the season, the Niners are at 29% so its not like he's really making them better on 3rd downs.

The debate is - does he still deserve to be? Since he's won more than he's lost, hard to say he doesn't. Of course time will tell if Harb's is a mastermind, or a feeble-mind. Personally I'm hoping for the former.

"All we care about are wins, stats are for losers" - Justin Smith
" I donít know how to say itÖ I donít have the words for it. Let me say it this way, as Iíve said all along, you work at the pleasure of the organization." - Jim Harbaugh

Yeah, it's somewhat clear that our QB doesn't majorly dictate our type of play so to me this thread is pointless until kaep has more experience under his belt and you can truly pick apart the differences in their individual skill sets and accomplishments..

HOWEVER....no one here brings up smiths stats pre 2011....that's some bull ****, in that way many pro smith arguments are invalid to me, cuz I could just talk about how great kaep is bcuz he beat the bears that one time..

ALSO....zito and smith are similar in that they were **** on for "under performing" but once zito got run support, and smith got coach support then tables turned, if anything smith shouldn't get as much credit for his performance, JH and crew deserve more credit than they are lauded..

HOWEVER....no one here brings up smiths stats pre 2011....that's some bull ****, in that way many pro smith arguments are invalid to me, cuz I could just talk about how great kaep is bcuz he beat the bears that one time..

ALSO....zito and smith are similar in that they were **** on for "under performing" but once zito got run support, and smith got coach support then tables turned, if anything smith shouldn't get as much credit for his performance, JH and crew deserve more credit than they are lauded..

Because they aren't relevant. What matters is Kaep now and Alex now, not Kaep in college or Alex under Singletary.

And I don't think ANYONE ever took credit away from what Harbs did for Alex. But, what about what Alex did for Harbs in his Coach of the Year award? If Alex was the same Alex of 2009, would Harbs have been COY?

Of course none of that matters... the here and the now matter. What matters for now is the Pat's game on Sunday.

"All we care about are wins, stats are for losers" - Justin Smith
" I donít know how to say itÖ I donít have the words for it. Let me say it this way, as Iíve said all along, you work at the pleasure of the organization." - Jim Harbaugh