I would say I shifted from a conservative to a libertarian with conservative views. I wouldn't agree with all the idiotic communist views but I still feel that if it could work (in which it won't work in real life) it would be a good system.

I'm for individual freedom, "My freedom ends where yours begin," but I'm willing to listen to reason. For instance, I will not accept a law that makes it compulsory to wear life vests on board a boat, until somebody explains to me the various factors that this law is for. Because, it should be my choice whether or not I want to wear a life vest, whether or not I want to secure my life to this extent. In this particular case, the law is not there to babysit me, but because the state is obligated to fund large sums of money to search for my body for up to two weeks should I be in for an accident. By wearing a life vest I reduce their chances of having to waste money on my death. That's all it is, and I'm lenient to that. But, tell me "It's for your own good," and I'll tell you to fuck off.

Used to be ultra liberal but my views recently changed due to most of their points not making sense anymore. They simple don't stand up for liberal principles, they say their for equality, and for logical thinking when they deny things that are obvious, or just call you a racist when they don't want to have political talk. It's sad to see a once good party go to crap. We need more than 2 parties in the US I think.

If i were to be asked who i agree most with in this race it'd be Trump, i am slightly towards the right.

I've been a feminazi who tends to put a conservativeish spin on postmodernism for a while. My opinions have changed little, but my attention has moved to how society/the media/technology control our political discourse. I still don't know what to think of these huge televised debates.

So you're no longer a feminazi? You've come to terms? Sounds just like me.

For the most part they haven't. I used to like to avoid thinking about politics but now that more things affect me I try and pay attention to it all more and make sure I make as informed a decision as possible on things.

Never understood the mentality of refusing to vote for a particular party or only voting for one party. IMO that is exactly why this country is such a mess. People vote based on only that criteria instead of actual qualifications. I'm mostly Democrat but I'd still vote Republican if it seemed like the better choice.

This sums up how I feel perfectly. I will never understand how people blindly follow anyone or anything. I refuse to be a good little sheep.

I've been paying more attention to politics as I've gotten older, and shifted a little more towards the DNC, as there's less and less I agree with the RNC's platform. Still not interested in pledging to a specific party, though.

redokamiwrote:
for one I was for Bernie and part of his platform was anti Hillary, so I was never for, and would never be for Hillary to begin with, I already hated her when she went against Obama though I couldn't vote then, sad to say I voted for Obama for the same reason im voting in this election, because I don't like the other candidate, that time being Romney, even though im Mormon

That doesn't really make much sense though. Disliking Clinton is one thing but embracing what is the complete and total anti-thesis to Bernie ( and to human decency in general ) doesn't make much sense. Bernie did succeed in pushing Clinton left and making her adopt some of his platform. So if you actually want what Bernie wanted your best option, such as it is, is still Clinton.

redokamiwrote:
Hillary being a pathological liar, wishy washy, and has blood on her hands whether you like it or not,
don't even get me started on "blacks are super predators"
" it was just a movie!"
"what does it matter at this point!"
it isn't entirely obamas fault for the iran deal as it is hers, ontop of that
another little bit is she is one of the ones who funded al Qaida who then became isis, so essentially isis is her fault, along with those other people at that time

I won't defend the super predator bullshit. Cus it was bullshit. But the Iran deal? What basis do you have for saying its a negative to begin with? LIterally the only people that slammed it as a negative were Israel and Republicans. The GOP have demonstrated they will opposed basically anything Obama does no matter what it is or how little sense it makes to do so. I mean even Russia endorsed the Iran deal.

As for ISIS being her fault, that is complete bullshit. ISIS stepped into a power vacuum that was set in motion during the Bush administration and unavoidable by the Obama administration. You can't keep troops in a foreign country that doesn't want you there so short of literally taking over Iraq what do you propose could have been done differently?

While you're correct that Al-Qaeda use to be funded in part by the US and a US ally. That was in the 80s and largely under Reagan. Al-Qaeda effectively turned on the US as a result of the first Iraq War which was under Bush senior.

Its likewise true that ISIS originally swore allegiance to Al-Qaeda but that has long since broken down to the point they're actually fighting each other.

redokamiwrote:at this point whether or not you want to believe the contents of those deleted emails is up to you, suffice to say our national security was put at risk because of her, imagine if she is president, I don't trust her one bit

My main problem with the email thing is not that its defensible ( its not, she was an idiot ) but rather that people are treating it like she's the first secretary of state to do it. Instead of just the latest in a long line in the office of the SoS.

redokamiwrote:as for Russia, I really don't see why negotiating with putin is a bad idea? I mean she just wants to slap more sanctions on

trump wants to talk, where it goes to who knows but its better than openly threatening them and putting more sanctions on

I get there are people who still remember the cold war -duh- but isn't that more of a reason to be at least neutral with them? not buddy budyy but as they say keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Think you have this kind of the wrong way around. Its Russia that is actively trying to sow discord in Europe and to a lesser degree the US. I mean, you do recall that whole thing where they invaded and annexed Crimea right? There are far more recent problems with Russia than latent cold war tensions.

As for Trump and talking thats basically the worst possible thing anyone should let Trump do. The man is painfully thin skinned and frightening ignorant of world politics. I mean I have never seen a presidential debate where one candidate had to stop and reassure your global allies that you wouldn't toss out decades of treaties and agreements.

Frankly, I see more people "triggered" by supposed political correctness than people actually pushing political correctness because they're "triggered". Also, frankly, you aren't even old enough to recall a time before the supposed advent of political correctness.

And no one is shoving it down your throat. College kids yelling about shit they think will change the world is nothing new and certainly nothing unique. If you don't like it, ignore them. Its not like anything they say is actually being elected up ticket to the point of making it into a federal level policy platform.

As opposed to the Republican party who *is* making religious social conservative stances part of their platform.

redokamiwrote:edit: reason why I swung all the way to rep is because voting third party wont do shit, its throwing paper bills into a fire

That still doesn't make sense though. You swung right because you couldn't find an option further left? Let alone in the current state of affairs where you have a candidate thats the equivalent of just voting for the world to burn. If we were talking about Romney or McCain I'd say fine, do what you gotta do. But Trump goes beyond politics ( and again, gives no fucks whatsoever about your political beliefs ). He's dangerously unqualified to manage a 7/11 nevermind a country. He couldn't even be assed to prepare for a presidential debate. What makes you think he could be assed to prepare to run a country the size and complexity of the US?

redokamiwrote:
im not saying there isn't systematic racism or police brutality, but it affects everyone, signlign yourself out AND causing violence with hatefult rhetoric or one or the other will not want people to join your cause, frankly I was at first for it, before ferguson happened, and then all the other bs and having to deal with racism of my own from my own mayor, who wont even listen to whites because we are"low iq" and is proud 14k have left the city, he is a racist ass mother fucker and im tired of the racist bullshit from both sides,

its why I get furious when im told whites don't experience any racism or prejudice when I have experienced it growing up

I don't know where you live so I can't comment on the situation there. But you can perhaps understand that when one group has experienced generations of systematic racism and oppression having the former oppressor come along and say "Me too!" might upset some people. I'm not saying racism doesn't cut both ways, just that the sort of racism we're talking about on one side has been going on longer than either of us has been alive and is baked into the fabric of American society.

It would be different if steps were being taken to undo it but that is ultimately the problem. There is little political will to do anything more than pay lip service to it ( and that includes most Dems ). But I mean it seems like it takes burning a town to the ground for anyone to even pay attention and then said attention is bewilderment over why everyone is so upset.

redokamiwrote:
for one I was for Bernie and part of his platform was anti Hillary, so I was never for, and would never be for Hillary to begin with, I already hated her when she went against Obama though I couldn't vote then, sad to say I voted for Obama for the same reason im voting in this election, because I don't like the other candidate, that time being Romney, even though im Mormon

That doesn't really make much sense though. Disliking Clinton is one thing but embracing what is the complete and total anti-thesis to Bernie ( and to human decency in general ) doesn't make much sense. Bernie did succeed in pushing Clinton left and making her adopt some of his platform. So if you actually want what Bernie wanted your best option, such as it is, is still Clinton.

redokamiwrote:
Hillary being a pathological liar, wishy washy, and has blood on her hands whether you like it or not,
don't even get me started on "blacks are super predators"
" it was just a movie!"
"what does it matter at this point!"
it isn't entirely obamas fault for the iran deal as it is hers, ontop of that
another little bit is she is one of the ones who funded al Qaida who then became isis, so essentially isis is her fault, along with those other people at that time

I won't defend the super predator bullshit. Cus it was bullshit. But the Iran deal? What basis do you have for saying its a negative to begin with? LIterally the only people that slammed it as a negative were Israel and Republicans. The GOP have demonstrated they will opposed basically anything Obama does no matter what it is or how little sense it makes to do so. I mean even Russia endorsed the Iran deal.

As for ISIS being her fault, that is complete bullshit. ISIS stepped into a power vacuum that was set in motion during the Bush administration and unavoidable by the Obama administration. You can't keep troops in a foreign country that doesn't want you there so short of literally taking over Iraq what do you propose could have been done differently?

While you're correct that Al-Qaeda use to be funded in part by the US and a US ally. That was in the 80s and largely under Reagan. Al-Qaeda effectively turned on the US as a result of the first Iraq War which was under Bush senior.

Its likewise true that ISIS originally swore allegiance to Al-Qaeda but that has long since broken down to the point they're actually fighting each other.

redokamiwrote:at this point whether or not you want to believe the contents of those deleted emails is up to you, suffice to say our national security was put at risk because of her, imagine if she is president, I don't trust her one bit

My main problem with the email thing is not that its defensible ( its not, she was an idiot ) but rather that people are treating it like she's the first secretary of state to do it. Instead of just the latest in a long line in the office of the SoS.

redokamiwrote:as for Russia, I really don't see why negotiating with putin is a bad idea? I mean she just wants to slap more sanctions on

trump wants to talk, where it goes to who knows but its better than openly threatening them and putting more sanctions on

I get there are people who still remember the cold war -duh- but isn't that more of a reason to be at least neutral with them? not buddy budyy but as they say keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Think you have this kind of the wrong way around. Its Russia that is actively trying to sow discord in Europe and to a lesser degree the US. I mean, you do recall that whole thing where they invaded and annexed Crimea right? There are far more recent problems with Russia than latent cold war tensions.

As for Trump and talking thats basically the worst possible thing anyone should let Trump do. The man is painfully thin skinned and frightening ignorant of world politics. I mean I have never seen a presidential debate where one candidate had to stop and reassure your global allies that you wouldn't toss out decades of treaties and agreements.

Frankly, I see more people "triggered" by supposed political correctness than people actually pushing political correctness because they're "triggered". Also, frankly, you aren't even old enough to recall a time before the supposed advent of political correctness.

And no one is shoving it down your throat. College kids yelling about shit they think will change the world is nothing new and certainly nothing unique. If you don't like it, ignore them. Its not like anything they say is actually being elected up ticket to the point of making it into a federal level policy platform.

As opposed to the Republican party who *is* making religious social conservative stances part of their platform.

redokamiwrote:edit: reason why I swung all the way to rep is because voting third party wont do shit, its throwing paper bills into a fire

That still doesn't make sense though. You swung right because you couldn't find an option further left? Let alone in the current state of affairs where you have a candidate thats the equivalent of just voting for the world to burn. If we were talking about Romney or McCain I'd say fine, do what you gotta do. But Trump goes beyond politics ( and again, gives no fucks whatsoever about your political beliefs ). He's dangerously unqualified to manage a 7/11 nevermind a country. He couldn't even be assed to prepare for a presidential debate. What makes you think he could be assed to prepare to run a country the size and complexity of the US?

redokamiwrote:
im not saying there isn't systematic racism or police brutality, but it affects everyone, signlign yourself out AND causing violence with hatefult rhetoric or one or the other will not want people to join your cause, frankly I was at first for it, before ferguson happened, and then all the other bs and having to deal with racism of my own from my own mayor, who wont even listen to whites because we are"low iq" and is proud 14k have left the city, he is a racist ass mother fucker and im tired of the racist bullshit from both sides,

its why I get furious when im told whites don't experience any racism or prejudice when I have experienced it growing up

I don't know where you live so I can't comment on the situation there. But you can perhaps understand that when one group has experienced generations of systematic racism and oppression having the former oppressor come along and say "Me too!" might upset some people. I'm not saying racism doesn't cut both ways, just that the sort of racism we're talking about on one side has been going on longer than either of us has been alive and is baked into the fabric of American society.

It would be different if steps were being taken to undo it but that is ultimately the problem. There is little political will to do anything more than pay lip service to it ( and that includes most Dems ). But I mean it seems like it takes burning a town to the ground for anyone to even pay attention and then said attention is bewilderment over why everyone is so upset.

ill comment on the last one since frankly im too tired to argue with you today

the boat I am in is , financially wise the same boat as a lot of blacks, I am on welfare and on disability, I was in a car accident 11 years ago that fucked me up and I was born with other shit too, including a heart condition

ive been in back pain almost 24 hours for the past week, again

so frankly I cant hold a job, though I am still going to try for something

IF it wasn't for my great aunt owning a apartment building my mother and I - yes my mother is disabled too because doctors fucked up her leg and she has the same heart condition, and frankly is lucky to even be alive after all her heart surgeries and brain surgeries, almost not waking up from one-
we would be either homeless or in section 8, so I know how that part is, I know what its like to not have food and eat a slice of bread for a meal , maybe, with something else at the end of each month if I haven't basically eaten one meal a day to save food for the end of the month
If I lived on my own what I get wouldn't be enough to just pay for rent by itself

so I know the ins and outs of the welfare system who abuses it, how it works etc

here is the thing though, my mother and I have had services and help, even information given denied to us for many years because we are white, and it was blatant in our face, while the black lady gave the black customer, basically , and essentially anything she asked for, no no it wasn't because we didn't qualify, its been over 10 years of this
im not going to go into it, but what im saying is I know what racism is like,and in some ways im in the same boat as them
I KNOW they have had it longer,

but burning down your community wont help ,

it may be just me and call me cold hearted but if my mother pulled a gun on a cop and she got shot dead I would say its her fault, would I be devastated yes, if I had a brother and he didn't obey police orders and was shot dead I would do the same, now I know there are some bad apples but almost every case I have seen except that therapist, those people either pulled a gun or simply didn't obey orders

redokamiwrote:
ill comment on the last one since frankly im too tired to argue with you today

I'm not trying to argue. Like I said, I was genuinely curious. Its fairly rare for someone to do a political 180 without some sort of major shake up ( like sending a church kid off to college or similar ).

I am in a similar boat to you ( right down to living in an apartment building my mom manages ) but in my case I had to resign from my job with PTSD. Though I live in a socialist country ( Canada ) so it is not an uphill battle to get social assistance when you need it. Although I must admit that baffles me even more. If you're reliant on social programs why vote for the party that does everything they can to cut them?

As for the racism, again, I can't really speak on that as I don't know what town you're referring too in order to research the problem. But again, while your experience is valid it doesn't speak for the country as a whole. In general, the state of social programs in your country is by and large a mess. Mainly due to essentially being caught in a constant crossfire between the left and right of the political spectrum. Much like with the Affordable Care Act no one really got what they want and Americans have to live with the result.

redokamiwrote:
it may be just me and call me cold hearted but if my mother pulled a gun on a cop and she got shot dead I would say its her fault, would I be devastated yes, if I had a brother and he didn't obey police orders and was shot dead I would do the same, now I know there are some bad apples but almost every case I have seen except that therapist, those people either pulled a gun or simply didn't obey orders

how hard is it to listen

Well, the fundamental problem there is that disobedience is not and should not be a death sentence. Sure, if you pull a gun on a cop I'm not going cry any tears for you. But you can't immediately bring lethal force to bare on someone who is unarmed just because they aren't listening to you. If you're going to be a first responder you can't be the nervous, jumpy one in a situation. If you're wound up and jumpy, you're going to make everyone else wound up and jumpy. If you're *armed* and jumpy, even more so.

Staying calm is the single most important thing you can do in a first response situation. It was a corner stone of my training and I was only a dispatcher/coordinator.