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It sickens me that people cant CHOOSE not to use such. Any justification for using them is BS.

Any guild or player who associates with those who use such are just as guilty even if they or s/he doesnt use them themselves ---- because they are in fact justifying the person(s) using them.

Siege justice? comeon..................blow me another one.

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*blows you another one*

Without tools, men are weak.

Those lacking in tools seek to make them selves stronger through acquiring tools to give them an advantage over others.

That in itself is not wrong. A warrior, like a craftsman, should use the best tools available to do the job.

Where men do go wrong is when they sacrifice their honor for advantage - to choose the tools that give unfair advantage, when they choose to break the rules of society and law.

Having spent much time in the study of men and the choices they make, I feel pity and some sadness that there are so many who have so little respect for their own honor. So many are missing examples in their lives of what a man should be, so they follow the examples of what appears to be the smart choice, which ultimately turns them into something far less than what they could be.

If you make war on such as these, you will face unfair advantage. They choose to cheat. It will take great skill and determination to bring low enemies like this.

But what is the real victory? That they won on the field using an unfair advantage? Or is it that you faced unfair odds, perhaps lost the field, but you kept your honor intact?

In the end, you must decide what is worth more: one hundred kills - or your honor?

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In the end, you must decide what is worth more: one hundred kills - or your honor?

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I enjoy both.

Thanks.

And by the way, no one's ever defending people cheating. The majority of push back those who constantly pancake about cheating get comes from how absolutely childish and illogical they act on the subject, even if the cheaters are 'more' childish... children are meant to be seen, not heard. k tks bye.

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You know, it takes a good amount of fortitude to play a game full of cheaters and not get frustrated. You can either get so far removed from player interaction you might as well be playing a single player game, or you can work on your mindset to deal with it. That takes some work, and there will be steam needing to be blown in the process. There is no age limit, there is no "effective" age limit, you will always be playing games with childish people.

I have 4 children - I like to bask in the silliness of their youth and laugh, but there are times when I want to pack them all in a box and ship them away.

there are times when I want to pack them all in a box and ship them away.

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Remember to poke air-holes.

My frustration comes from the fact that in all my years of playing, I can probably count the PvP-based cheats I've had used against me on one hand. None of them ever killed me.

Legitimate game mechanics were far worse than anything illegitimate I came across.

And the scam threads are the worst of all. Nobody can say anything about them, which leads to innuendo and having to infer who did what to who. People can't defend themselves against that, so we're left thinking "somebody did something to someone" with our minds to fill in the blanks.

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My frustration comes from the fact that in all my years of playing, I can probably count the PvP-based cheats I've had used against me on one hand. None of them ever killed me.

Legitimate game mechanics were far worse than anything illegitimate I came across.

And the scam threads are the worst of all. Nobody can say anything about them, which leads to innuendo and having to infer who did what to who. People can't defend themselves against that, so we're left thinking "somebody did something to someone" with our minds to fill in the blanks.

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I would have to agree there.

Exploiting game mechanics with dirty tricks is probably more maddening than cheats. Guard-whack tricks, and the like are borderline - like hitting someone in the stones in a "fist fight". There isn't a rule about it outside a regulation ring, and there isn't any formal announcement saying you are "in" a "fist fight"... all is fair I suppose...

Darth and Yoda were two of the most repugnant characters I've ever encountered in a game, but I will readily admit that they were incredibly skilled at legally exploiting game mechanics without breaking any apparent rules.

Using exploits and client hacks and using script tools to automate things that would normally be near impossible to execute manually with the "approved" game software is what we usually call "cheating". The ones that are exploited most rampantly usually get fixed.At least get the satisfaction of knowing you compete without these.

When it is a game mechanic that has been there from the beginning, that is abused ad nauseum, that is more aggravating by far. Especially since you know a GM will tell you, "It's legal". it looks like a cheat, smells like a cheat, but by the book it isn't. But you know, it's like these people who take other people's money with legal loopholes - they won't get hung for it, but they certainly deserve it

Where men do go wrong is when they sacrifice their honor for advantage - to choose the tools that give unfair advantage, when they choose to break the rules of society and law.

Having spent much time in the study of men and the choices they make, I feel pity and some sadness that there are so many who have so little respect for their own honor. So many are missing examples in their lives of what a man should be, so they follow the examples of what appears to be the smart choice, which ultimately turns them into something far less than what they could be.

If you make war on such as these, you will face unfair advantage. They choose to cheat. It will take great skill and determination to bring low enemies like this.

But what is the real victory? That they won on the field using an unfair advantage? Or is it that you faced unfair odds, perhaps lost the field, but you kept your honor intact?

In the end, you must decide what is worth more: one hundred kills - or your honor?

Py Lethius, Retired Knight
Knights of the Silver Serpent

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Do you know why the samurai art is all but extinct while ninjutsu lives on and flourishes? Its because samurai valued honor over everything, while ninja valued getting it done over everything. Also, we are both idiots for comparing a game to real life.

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Do you think your honor is any less involved when you use a mouse and keyboard?

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Those little toons are actually run by people, sitting at their computers.

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/ˈævəˌtɑr, ˌævəˈtɑr/ [av-uh-tahr, av-uh-tahr]

–noun
1. Hindu Mythology. the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.
2. an embodiment or personification, as of a principle, attitude, or view of life.
3. Computers. a graphical image that represents a person, as on the Internet.

Indeed, but do your ingame actions reflect so much on your real life? If I'm an ass, murderer, thief ingame, does that nessecarily mean that I will kill, steal, and **** everyone off IRL? No, your honor isn't any less involved when you use a mouse and keyboard; but, like i said, you can be a dishonorable guy online, and an honorable one IRL. Which one really counts?

So if I want to escape my problems, I can head to the local strip bar, do lines of coke off strippers till i black out and wake up next to them, a midget, a yak, and a box of torn condoms in the morning, then forget about it until I'm arguing with their children on an internet forum decades years later about whether escapism gets you out of doing the right thing?

So if I want to escape my problems, I can head to the local strip bar, do lines of coke off strippers till i black out and wake up next to them, a midget, a yak, and a box of torn condoms in the morning, then forget about it until I'm arguing with their children on an internet forum decades years later about whether escapism gets you out of doing the right thing?

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