Green Scar I’ve seen this bad boy used by many different players, and he’s always gotten his butt handed to him. His movement is where he suffers the most, as he’s often the target of ranged “shoot and scoot” attacks. He certainly has a strong opening click or two, but then falters quite a bit in the middle. I am not a fan of regeneration, and even less of a fan here with only two clicks of it. Worst of all, we’re looking at 230 freaking points! That being said, I am not totally opposed to taking him off of this list; his dial looks excellent on paper, but he just seems to falter in every game I have seen him played. I’ve personally had very good results with New Guy Night Rampaging Hulk instead – it will save you 102 points and give you a better piece of mind.

Lamp Batman For 120 points, he could be better. He should be better. He has a high defense (better than Ultimate Thor!), which will keep him alive, but he’s completely built for close combat attacks. Why would you do this to us Wizkids? You give this man lots of outwit, perplex, and stealth (via TA), and you slap Charge and Flurry on him? Really? And that “Gargoyles” Special Ability is only useful on outdoor maps that actually have elevated terrain. Do me a favor and pick up the Justice League Batman for 75 points – Out of the Shadows is still better than this lamp junk.

There are a lot of resources that would improve these figures. So this list is obsolete.

Posted by: tr on 10/29/2014 8:16:17 AM

And my friend has a realy big heroclix that is worth 546 points lol and there another out there worth over 1000 points! Lol you could a game with just that one guy

Posted by: james axel on 11/29/2013 10:09:57 AM

Wow i have an iron man that would kick that batmans ass. That batman isnt very good at all. But i have bene dieing to have a thor thogh i have a lot of heroclix but not a thor :( and my friend has litteraly garbage bags of heroclix he has bene colecting the all his life

Posted by: james axel on 11/29/2013 10:06:55 AM

E-2 Supeman overrated? Are you kidding me? You're just jealous you don't have one I had no problem shelling out 75 bucks for him on eBay heck I woulda paid more! Dude can charge his full speed value smash for 5 clix then on the beginning of the next turn smash him again as a free action not to mention giving friendly characters an attack boost as well. Leading the charge indeed! His stats are great to boot he's an incredible piece a little outwit protection and he is unstoppable. Even without he's nigh unbeatable. Have you ever played with him or even see someone else play him? I have friends who won't even play when I field him. It honestly angered me that you think either he or lamppost Bats are overrated? Do you even play Heroclix?

Posted by: Jsum33 on 1/17/2013 7:17:26 PM

If the E2 superman is the crisis superman then well, what the f**k? How the h**l is he overated? hes gotta 20 invunrubility at some points and agaian he does five f*****g damage and,if I remember correctly, 5 damage with close combat expert. Please disregard this mesege if you were not talking about the crisis superman.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/8/2012 6:13:17 AM

5.75th aniversary sinestro 125 only. yes he has penetrating phycic blast but 17 invun 3 damage 10 move and only has 5 clix after his first clix his damage attack and speed go down by 1 and looses penetrating but gains perplex. next clix touphness 16 defense 1 damage peplex attack up by 1. speed -1 damage +1. next attack-1 defense +1 damage-1. then hes dead. please tell me if this list sucks.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 2:15:04 PM

waist of money not many

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:59:12 PM

4. that old doomsday with a 15 for a defense thats a 151 or something around there. Just TERIBLE. stats, just, its a train wreck.Its doomsday people! hes killed superman! what ever you do dont by a doomsday smashing the ground right fist down and left fist up hes a waist of many.

Posted by: all of the are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:56:45 PM

3. uatu the watcher galactic gaurdians but ONLY on his 50 dial. otherwise i love that figure.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:50:11 PM

2.75th aniversery atrositis. i can't play him well. and i think for atrocitis he sucks. atrositus should be a 250 at least and i hate the power were he gives everyone around him battle furry. and his damage is 3 until his last clix then its 4 with exploit weakness. for a 175 he could be A LOT better.

Posted by: all of the are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:47:04 PM

i mean abiliteas not thing

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:42:43 PM

oh and also the old galacti are imune to alot more thing.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:41:48 PM

you said for batman slap charge and flury on him its actualy leap climp instead of flury. And also there are alot of indor maps with elevated terain. I would pick my new 52 justice leage batman over this one for 100 points just because hes good and less points but this 120 is still good. With green scar, you protect him with snipers until he gets up there. if you cover him with the 210 darkseid nowbody will be stupid enough to go out in the open. Or the white lantern firestorm. Or even the U Thor or Apocylypes.I could go on with a list of guys but i wont. Green Scar needs a team to back him up. On a well constructed team most people will be good. Heres a list of the top 5 overated heroclix for me because i can't see them being good but tell me if you think im wrong. 1.Galactuc gaurdians galactus. Compared to the old Galacti of galactuses he is terible. I cant see him winning anythin. highest 7 damage lowest 3. old galactus highiest 8 lowest 5. The old galacti hve a higher well everything besides clix. and the new one only has 5 more clix.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 12/1/2012 1:40:16 PM

if you scroll down Arokosaki is rite

Posted by: anonumus on 11/10/2012 2:07:10 PM

thor looks like a girl with a beard

Posted by: anonumus on 11/10/2012 2:04:03 PM

that apocylops should have a higher number not only because he deserves it because of how good he is but hes apocylops he has so many powers he should be like a 500-1000 luckly theres a new 500 one

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 10/12/2012 4:32:53 PM

if i had to choose one character out of these guys besides darkseid because i have him i dont know who it would be

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/16/2012 7:53:40 AM

i meant spectre won

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:53:52 AM

i just did 210 darksied against my 234 specter crisis and the rusults were specter on but only 4 clicks left! thats how good darksied did and specter regenerate 3 clicks and used steel energy 1 timehe also hit darksied with 4 penetrating damage by replacing his damag with darkseids damage and killed darekseid by using poisin

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:52:45 AM

look at your overated chase figure. look at his special abilites. look at all of there special abilites there all good with them

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:39:38 AM

crude

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:34:58 AM

sorry i didnt mean to be so crud

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:34:17 AM

your going to have to push me to make me usful? comon apocylips has a 10 for range. im not shure if i spelled that right but i dont care. do you not play with the colors? cause then i agree they suck without there abilites.but they have abilites!why can' green scare win? heres why you suck!

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:29:48 AM

Every one on here is good. I want all of them. There sculpt may suck but there stats are amazing. 210 darksied's sculpt isn't even that bad. The 186 Thor may suck ALONE but not on a team. I have the 210 Darksied. Every battle he has bin in hes one.

Posted by: all of them are amazingly good on 8/15/2012 6:23:25 AM

@WOWUm, WOW, (pun intended) you have obviously never fought against Ult. Thor before, or if you did, the player using him was a rookie, and was careless with him. Yeah, he has a 16 Def, I'll give you that, but so what?? Give him Protected, and/or ICWO, and he goes from "Extremely dangerous: approach at your own risk", to a downright killing machine. Is easily the most cost effective character on the list, and has the best first strike capability, by far.

Posted by: Owlman166 on 4/11/2011 3:16:49 PM

I can definitely see Thor overrated. He is a lousy piece, and look at all these comments on how he isn't overrated.

Posted by: WOW... on 2/15/2011 1:54:24 PM

Ult. Thor has the best first strike capability in the game, hands down. KC Green Lantern comes in pretty close, but Ult. Thor is one of the best option for earning victory points. VP's win games. 'Nuff said...

Posted by: Owlman166 on 12/21/2010 9:42:06 AM

Seriously not to brag...but I'v only been playing since about W.O.SPIDERMAN SET came out...iv played these figures cause everyone has to have them....I had no problem with them....there big and idk about anyone else but when I see a big fig for more then 200points I go in for the kill. Lot of points to sack...batman I was disappointed to see....

Posted by: Jace on 12/15/2010 1:13:08 AM

"Please don't outwit me?"

All the outwit in the world doesn't change Ult Thor's 12 attack, 5 damage at 10 range with steathbusting. So by all means, get within that 10 range to use outwit. I'll hit you for 5. No more outwit.

Batman is also amazing. It doesn't matter if he has to get close to his opponents. With his l/c, indominable, stealth and outwit, he can get where he needs to go quickly and safely. Then he'll charge in and flurry for 6 or 8 damage. Even if you smack him for 3, he doesn't get any worse. Guy's a freaking nightmare.

Posted by: JoH on 11/17/2010 3:05:13 PM

Nick Fury's the best secondary attacker in the game in my oppinion, hands down. Havok and Danger Room Storm are close seconds, but Nick's 2nd click grants him a 10 attack w/Willpower and Outwit, + and 8 range! (Not to mention Stealth!) I can see where Green Scar and Apocalypse falter, but Ult. Thor?? I have him, and every time I use him he pulverizes anybody foolish enough to get to close. You're nuts if you don't think Thor's one of the most dangerous characters in the game. So what if his defense is 16? Give him Fortitude, and when he takes damage (and he will) you can always scream MEDIC!

Posted by: Owlman166 on 10/26/2010 2:28:10 PM

The sinister Nick fury on the "Corridor of death" prison map that came with Sinister was lethal for 63 points. 3 damage with Psychic blast (penetrating damage!) and about 6 or 8 range. Shield team ability as well.

As for avengers Stardust, a power cosmic figure (Willpower AND can't be countered as a trait basically!) with 19 defense in a set that generally had about 10 attack as average. That's 9+ on 2 d6 to hit that. You need to roll above average.

The original poster of this page must be complete newbie or an absolute idiot or both.

PS I know what I'm talking about. I know several judges AND play against the UK national champion on a regular (almost weekly) basis. They would all agree with these comments.

Posted by: kalaxis on 8/17/2010 12:44:12 PM

I think you just tried to make a list that would be "controversial."

That, or you don't know what you're talking about...

Posted by: thugit on 7/20/2010 11:58:49 AM

Nah sorry but Darksied has caused me no end of trouble the few times iv come across him, although i do normally bring him down it is regularly at great cost to my team

Bats is fantastic, never seen him played but just look at that dial, yes people will see him and want him dead straight away coz he's a chase but as someone already stated you can use their prejudices to your advantage.

Green Scar is a combat beast, given that for the same points you can get someone better but he's far from bad, i've used him to good effect several times.

Thor, im sorry but anyone with that kind of manoverability, range, visiblility and damage output is nightmareish! and given the age of this clix it still stands tall today. the low defence value on him seems to be a pretty stonge theme with most of the ultimates set or so ive noticed.

apocalypse... ok i'll give you that one, i dont think i've ever seen him used to good effect and i have safely avoided using him since i got my hands on it with the release of M&M. he's the most expensive fig on the list and by far the most useless. too many points to spend on a wannabe jack of all trades and an expert at none!

Posted by: Ste on 6/25/2010 11:56:17 PM

im with you on the bat and scar but i think that you must have just had bad experiences with the rest

Posted by: theo on 6/18/2010 2:35:56 AM

Wow. First, I must say that I generally agree with you, The Le, on just about every article you've written for pojo. However, I am in total disagreement about Ult. Thor and the Lampost Batman. Darkseid and Apocolypse, MAYBE, but Thor?? This guy can trash anybody within range! Plus, he has Running Shot!! You still have PLENTY of room for a couple of feats. Again, his defense does leave something to be desired,but still...

P.S. Ultimate was one of the most abused pieces ever, but I would have to say, according to cramcompany, that Vet. Firelord was by far the most abused piece ever.

Posted by: BlackBolt166 on 6/16/2010 7:34:19 AM

hay sorry but i im offended by you all trashing lamp post bats ok i got him recently and he took on people 3 times his dial points you cant point down a guy that can deal out 6-8 damage depending how u use him i use him to one shot people and whens hes about to die hell through him into stealth and watch the outwit go im sorry but i im offended by this post i really im bats dont need to be there at all

Posted by: hi on 5/18/2010 10:51:40 PM

I was shocked you included such figures as Apocolypse, and Darkseid in this list, but the final straw was including lamp post Batman. Who exactly do you think Batman is? A crazed gun nut? A keen eyed sharp shooter?HELL NO!That Punisher and Green Arrow, batman doesn't have any weapons on his sculpt what makes you think he would be ranged. I fail to see any evidence in anything I've ever seen about Batman that would even remotely indicate that he his a ranged fighter.This figure is the most comic book accurate batman there is. He is a close range fighter. Outwit their defense at range charge in flurry for 6 or 4 damage. It's not rocket science. If stealth and close combat poses a conundrum to you try this.WAIT FOR THEM TO COME TO YOU! JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHARGE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE IT!

Posted by: Silent Coyote on 5/16/2010 5:35:35 PM

Wow...really? Either the people you play against are really bad, or you have used these figures poorly yourself. You have not created a list of the Figures Overrated [By] The Most, but a list of good figures that suffer a bit of expectation anxiety because of the persona they represent and values on the dial. Your first error is assuming that all high cost figures go up against a team with Outwit and instantly lose. I have personally used Darkseid and Greenscar very effectively, I've seen Apocalypse used brutally, and you vastly underestimate what U Thor brings to the table. Even today, the ability to reach two targets at 10 range and ignore Stealth and the hindering terrain modifier is almost unique. The ability to do so with a strong-solid-strog attack value and 4-5 damage for everything except that 8/3 click...many people have used Outwit to hit U Thor only to find themselves pasted to the nearest wall as a direct consequence. Consider too that formidable Icons V Supes suffers severe AV decay down the dial, unlike U Thor for 65 points of savings. That means that while he can be hit, he practically doesn't miss. That point gap is also enough for Fortitude and a sidekick with Outwit. He's certainly quite beatable, but putting on in the top five overrated figures is sheer overreaction.

Darkseid: read some real reviews and play against a player who can actually use him. With no Power Cosmic / Quintessence he was never expected to be the unbeatable terror of the battlefield except by the most naieve. Plus, 90 points is a lot of leeway for support options. Plus, that range number is 12. And if you're arguing that his values should be higher, he has better numerical statistics than figures 50 points more expensive (many with flight, M-A, AND useful Team Abilities) as well as his power set. 12 range does a lot to counter mobility.

General comment for Regeneration: many times the answer on Regeneration clicks is not to use Regeneration. Especially when talking about

Posted by: Arokosaki on 5/15/2010 7:35:29 PM

You obviously have not played with Ultimates Thor.

Posted by: Ilkimys on 4/18/2010 12:51:01 PM

I have used batman, and I agree he needs a team to back him up. I had Captain Gordon and batman on a team, and they alone beat a 500 piont team. I think batman is really good for his pionts. I agree with the Green scar comment,(I have never seen him win). And I hate Apoc, I think he should be more pionts. And Darkseid is a beast of heroclix, but that's just my thought.

Posted by: Jack on 3/19/2010 11:48:19 AM

I definitely see what ure saying with some of these, I really like the Darkseid clix but his movement leaves alot to be desired. For some reason Thor always got a low defense(till now with HoT). I've actually done pretty good with Green Scar, to me he is awesome. Everytime I've played against him, I've taken him out. I guess the main thing is just teams and strategy. Maybe u should do a battle royal with ure list and see who comes out on top? Could be fun.

Posted by: Geminimerc on 3/5/2010 3:36:07 AM

no way Apoc is overrated! Not only am I the only one I know that uses him, I've won every game I've used him in! I mean, his first clix are hard to knock him off of with Imp and shapechange and if they do, he can regenerate to come right back. I admit he does cost a lot and that is a downfall but I think it's a reasonable trade off.

Posted by: Mike on 2/8/2010 11:22:04 PM

pretty good list. I agree with most of it, but some of the characters i've never seem played. I can think of a few others: Lex Luthor, Mon-el, the House of M Magneto, and a couple others. And Ultimate Thor is the most overrated figure, like, ever.

Posted by: johnny on 1/29/2010 2:35:11 PM

Lamp Batman is not ment to go head to head by his lonesome. It is all about the team work. If teamed up with Robin(aa), Batgirl, and/or Nightwing the group can hold there own. Opening move you can move then use smoke cloud as a free action (not bad in my mined). He is a target because he is a chase piece, but I used that to my advantage buy backing him up with Nightwing and robin to out smart and out maneuver every one. A team of stealth, outwit and perplexes is hard to defeat when you focuses on team work and not on "HULK SMASH" tactics.

Posted by: GrayWolf34 on 11/30/2009 6:48:05 PM

Whaoo....I don't see how Ult Thor could be overrated. You certainly didn't play heroclix when Ult set was out, and the following years.Thor was in almost every team in tourney. People started complaining. We could see in HCR many threads from people who wanted him to be retired.No other heroclix piece has ever been so dominant.

Posted by: Pascal21 on 8/18/2009 7:55:51 AM

Darkseid frontloaded really? He has an 18 and 19 DV. You may have had a bad experience with him but he does not deserve to be on this list. I agree Batman always goes down first on every team I've played him on. People must think beating a chase gives you the same feeling of pulling one. I think your disdain for Regeneration may effect your picks as well. Green Scar is slow but his 4 clix of Imp. and WP help out running down an opponent. Just my opinions and rebuttals, plus I'm one of those people who thinks Darkseid is a beast.

Posted by: jarosa on 8/1/2009 9:56:18 AM

Hmm....I won a regional with Ultimate Thor...don't see how he could be 'overrated'.

Posted by: sol on 7/31/2009 3:21:55 PM

Putting Sinister Nick Fury on the honorable Mentions list and saying one should instead take Goliath, makes no sense to me. I personally don't consider Nick overrated. Granted, you have to push him before he gets really useful, but what he can do then is just mean. And he will certainly force your opponent to pay him some attention. I don't see, where Goliath has anything to do with Nick. I find it horrific to see that a figure with so many seful powers and such a deep dial has such a low point cost! He should at least be in the 70s.