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View Poll Results: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Anglo-scot

That's becoming a theme on this thread - just dismissing evidence out of hand which refers to widespread killings of civilians by the US. I was suggesting that we take one of the topics listed on the website and discuss it. I conclude that this is too difficult for people who are intent on maintaining that the USA is the "greatest" country.

Haha, there's a dozen DP posters that dismiss any source that destroys their position, regularly. It's not just this thread.

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Cliffhanger

Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.

Well, let the right tell it and Obama has destroyed it, shelved the constitution, is militarily taking over Texas, is giving nukes to Iran, Europe to Russia. Apparently it's not the good old days anymore.

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Cliffhanger

Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.

The US has a nett migration rate of +2.4 per 1000. That places it 40th in the world. Per capita it receives fewer immigrants than Canada, Australia, Spain, the UK and a whole host more. I know this spoils the narrative somewhat.

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Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Leo

OTOH, perhaps the ones who don't believe your country is the greatest are those whom you should encourage the most to stay. Perfection has not yet been attained in this world, but those who see the imperfections in our respective societies are the only ones who are likely to improve those societies. "I am the greatest!" is a mindless and complacent attitude which removes any motivation for improvement.

And may I remind you that 'illegal immigrants' - known as 'refugees' in the civilised world - are dying to reach any country, American, European, or Australasian, wherein they may be safe, not commercially enslaved, and not starve to death.

And Americans are leaving in record numbers.

While the United States of America was at one point (and largely still is) a magnet for foreigners in search of work, the statistics makes it clear that an opposite trend is quickly picking up steam.

"There's a feeling among more entrepreneurial Americans that if you really want to get anything done, you have to get out of the country and away from the depressing atmosphere," Bob Adams of America Wave tells Reuters. “There's a sense of lost direction, so more people are looking for locations that offer more hope about the future."

Many of those leaving the US have job skills that would transfer quite well in the American market. Instead, however, they chose to bring those out of the States, attracted instead to opportunities elsewhere.

Why is Tina Turner switching from American to Swiss citizenship? The legendary singer, a longtime Zurich resident, told the Blick newspaper that she has been very happy in Switzerland and “can’t imagine a better place to live.”

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Anglo-scot

That's becoming a theme on this thread - just dismissing evidence out of hand which refers to widespread killings of civilians by the US. I was suggesting that we take one of the topics listed on the website and discuss it. I conclude that this is too difficult for people who are intent on maintaining that the USA is the "greatest" country.

Get used to it. 'Hate site' is a very common slur. I take it as an admission of defeat, unless they can point to something very specific that invalidates the content.

I agree. There's an absence of reasoning ("It's a hate site / propaganda site because....what?"). But we're into the territory of the American imperial identity cult, where reasoning fails. The "greatness" of America is axiomatic in this cult - it just "is", and its truth can't be questioned, otherwise, .... something bad will happen.

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Cliffhanger

Maybe the ones who believe that our country is not the greatest,would be best suited to find another country to live in.Funny how if were not that great of a country,Illegal immigrants wouldn't be dying to reach our soil.

OK but be fair: if they didn't know that believing that "the USA is the greatest" is expected of Americans before they arrived, then it's not fair to tell them the news later on and expect them to change instantly. Since coming to the USA, they may have formed a more complex view of America - good things, and bad things, all mixed in. There must be literally tens of millions of people who have strayed down this road unwittingly.

Perhaps you've hit on the need for immigration reform here - make the recognition of American "greatness" an entry requirement. As for those already in the USA, some sort of re-education programme is probably required. What do you think?

Re: Is America the greatest Country anymore? Or do you agree with Will?

Originally Posted by Montecresto

And Americans are leaving in record numbers.

While the United States of America was at one point (and largely still is) a magnet for foreigners in search of work, the statistics makes it clear that an opposite trend is quickly picking up steam.

"There's a feeling among more entrepreneurial Americans that if you really want to get anything done, you have to get out of the country and away from the depressing atmosphere," Bob Adams of America Wave tells Reuters. “There's a sense of lost direction, so more people are looking for locations that offer more hope about the future."

Many of those leaving the US have job skills that would transfer quite well in the American market. Instead, however, they chose to bring those out of the States, attracted instead to opportunities elsewhere.

Why is Tina Turner switching from American to Swiss citizenship? The legendary singer, a longtime Zurich resident, told the Blick newspaper that she has been very happy in Switzerland and “can’t imagine a better place to live.”