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the fact that the cole got bombed in the first place
shows how incompetant, at least complacent, our
armed forces have become.

it didn't take a widespread and sophisticated terrorist
plot to get this ship.

yemen is a dangerous and weakly controlled country
known for terrorism and should not have been used
as a refueling point. if indeed they needed to use it
for diplomatic or strategic purposes, the climate of
the region warranted precautionary measures.

situational awareness and shipboard security engagement
tactics are two tools that could have been used to
mitigate damage if not avoid it outright.

this was a simple military strike against a poorly guarded
yet highly valuable target.

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If you don't have fancy lazer guided missiles and nifty uniforms,you're a terrorist.

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That is very true though. By definition,the Cole attack was not a terrorist attack.

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"the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violenceby a revolutionary organization against individuals or property, with the intention of coercing or intimidating governments or societies, often for political or ideological purposes"

it's funny how these same actions, carried out by the stateinstead of the 'revolutionary organization', are consideredstandard operating procedure and not terrorism.

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by that definition, the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists. so were resistance fighters in nazi occupied europe.

true terrorist acts fall somewhere between a mass murdering and a war crime, depending on who's responsible for them and what the circumstances are. killing noncombatants is the common thread in all of them. attacks against military targets are not acts of terrorism. they are legitimate acts of war.

i'm glad they aren't calling the attacks on US troops in iraq acts of terrorism... (yet?)

by that definition, all people throughout history responsible for wresting power from their governments have been terrorists. the reason we no longer live under kings and tyrants is because of terrorists. constitutionally limited government and democracy exist in the world- brought to us by terrorists...

Quote:mushmaster said:by that definition, the founding fathers of this nation were terrorists. so were resistance fighters in nazi occupied europe.

true terrorist acts fall somewhere between a mass murdering and a war crime, depending on who's responsible for them and what the circumstances are. killing noncombatants is the common thread in all of them. attacks against military targets are not acts of terrorism. they are legitimate acts of war.

i'm glad they aren't calling the attacks on US troops in iraq acts of terrorism... (yet?)

I would disagree. It says "the unlawful use". Now the law is determined by whoever has the most power at the time. So each situation is directly affected by the leaders of the era. So one could not say it applies to all things. All one can do is hope that whoever is in power is just and fair, but as everyones knows that is not always the case.

Quote:mushmaster said:I would disagree. It says "the unlawful use". Now the law is determined by whoever has the most power at the time. So each situation is directly affected by the leaders of the era.

exactly. the activities of the american revolutionaries, european resistance, etc. were deemed unlawful by the governing powers presiding.

whether something is lawful or unlawful is really of little consequence.

i'm not saying that these men were terrorists (i definitely don't think they were); i'm just pointing out that the state dept. apparently thinks they were.

It really just comes down to semantics and doublespeak, which is worthless to argue over since definitions seem to change so often.

There are just to many labels. I dont know why humans feel the need to label every little thing or tendency. Worthless in my opinion provides absolutly no insight just more confusion.