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[02:09] New bug: #48462 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Konqueror's help refers to menus removed in default Kubuntu profiles" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48462
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[04:23] quick question for anyone..
[04:23] are the two ubuntu books i saw at a tech show today, from any of our team?
[04:23] show = shop
[04:24] Liz: link?
[04:24] Liz: The one entitled "The Official Ubuntu Book" is. Ubuntu Hacks may be as well - I don't remember the author.
[04:24] (As in, Jono might be on that one - I think he was for Linux Desktop Hacks)
[04:25] the Official Ubuntu Book is written by Jono Bacon, Benjamin Mako Hell, and Corey Burger
[04:25] i didnt have a look online ..wait one
[04:25] no, thats not the one i saw then
[04:25] so that is the one to get imho
[04:25] one was written by a french author
[04:25] i wanted to check before i actually got one
[04:25] besides..it was $80 NZD for the book
[04:26] Admiral_Chicago: don't forget Jonathan Jesse as well
[04:26] Jonathan wrote chapter 7
[04:26] and others...actually.
[04:26] there is some community writing in there as well
[04:26] it was all created pretty much from community writing of some sort
[04:27] I can't wait for the feisty release
[04:27] speaking of which...
[04:27] thats true
[04:27] Admiral_Chicago: Benjamin Mako Hell? :-)
[04:27] wth?
[04:27] hahahahahahaha
[04:27] lol
[04:27] LaserJock: oh, dvorak keyboard...you know
[04:27] dude, you just lost your membership!!
[04:27] gahahahaha
[04:27] Admiral_Chicago: quit blaming dvorak for that
[04:27] oh that's way off regardless
[04:27] HAHAHHa
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[04:29] ya, like he is ever online
[04:29] damn, he is online
[04:29] hahaha
[04:29] LaserJock: you watch Boston Legal?
[04:29] nope
[04:30] oh wow, this show is hillarious
[04:30] I'm guessing Mako Hell is where Bill Gates will go ;-)
[04:30] rofl
[04:30] oh wow, I just got an idea
[04:31] ya that's the second time nixternal pointed out me mispelling his name.
[04:31] http://www.techbooks.co.nz/scripts/techsearch.asp
[04:31] haha, that's right
[04:31] last time you spelled his name make
[04:31] thomas K was the one i saw
[04:31] yup
[04:32] the official ubuntu book wasnt on display
[04:32] tho that database says they had it
[04:32] id rather support our guys of course
[04:33] hence why i had to come and ask
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[06:53] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3827 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: kubuntu printing section - added new content
[06:56] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3828 kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: spell check is a neat feature :)
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[09:03] morning
[09:08] hi mdke
[09:10] hiya LaserJock
[09:15] LaserJock: sent you a mail
[09:25] mdke: very interesting
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[09:30] LaserJock: so did you discover how hard it is to make two binaries out of ubuntu-docs? Do you think we should just proceed and make a separate source package? It might be harder to get it into the repo
[09:31] well, it's certainly doable
[09:31] I'm just struggling for time these day :/
[09:31] waaaay to many deadlines at roughly the same time
[09:32] ya. I might be able to look into it if there is a simple guide
[09:34] you mentioned cdbs, that sounds a bit scary
[09:34] it's sort of a black box afair
[09:35] I think we should leave the packaging as much as possible the same as before, to avoid any unforeseen issues
[09:38] sure
[09:38] ok, gtg
[09:41] mdke: mostly I just need to experiment a little
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[08:16] mdke: still up?
[08:18] LaserJock: it is only 7pm there, he is to young to be in bed that early :)
[08:19] but young enough to be out doing non-Ubuntu things I suppose
[08:19] ;-)
[08:19] on a Wednesday? never
[08:19] haha
[08:20] I wonder if Christina Armstrong is ever on IRC
[08:24] did you get her email as well today?
[08:24] I seen her in #ubuntu-marketing like once I think
[08:25] hmm
[08:25] She came on for a meeting once or twice. Nick was c?a, I think. Maybe cja?
[08:25] ya, something like that
[08:30] nixternal: I was going to file a bug but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say
[08:31] LaserJock: hi
[08:32] mdke: well, I was able to get an ubuntu-serverguide .deb built
[08:33] ooh
[08:33] LaserJock: YAAAAYYY!
[08:33] mdke: but I'm still trying to get all the files going to the right package
[08:33] maybe I can help with that
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[08:34] LaserJock: are you going to commit it?
[08:35] or maybe send me a patch or something with instructions about how I can help
[08:35] mdke: well, I had a couple questions
[08:35] what format do we want to ship the serverguide as?
[08:36] and I'm assuming we don't want it to depend on ubuntu-docs, is that right?
[08:36] yes
[08:36] html
[08:36] take the serverguide target from ubuntu/Makefile
[08:37] is the HTML done that way standalone?
[08:37] or does it link to common stuff?
[08:37] yes, you need the css and img stuff of course
[08:37] you'll see that under the serverguide target
[08:37] I'm just trying to figure out how to work this
[08:38] because 2 .debs can't own the same files
[08:38] so you'll need build/ubuntu/serverguide and build/ubuntu/common
[08:38] so I'm not sure what to do with the common files
[08:38] install everything in /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/
[08:38] yeah
[08:38] so /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/common and /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/html
[08:39] exactly
[08:39] that will work fine
[08:40] now we still want the serverguide XML in ubuntu-docs?
[08:40] no, that isn't shipped in ubuntu-docs
[08:40] or is the stuff you want in ubuntu/
[08:40] you don't need to change anything shipped in ubuntu-docs
[08:41] debian/rules has a section for installing generic/serverguide/
[08:41] for doc in server; do \
[08:41] not here
[08:41] server |= serverguide
[08:41] oh, that's the server material for TBH?
[08:42] that should be left
[08:42] nixternal: what's all that weird kubuntu/tmplibs about?
[08:42] I see, I was equating the two, my bad
[08:44] mdke: in the install though I see:
[08:44] generic/serverguide/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample
[08:44] stuff left over I guess
[08:44] I'll deal with that
[08:45] nixternal: I think I see what you're trying to do, you want to change the html.stylesheet parameter. But you shouldn't create a whole new separate folder with new files for that, just pass the parameter on the command in the Makefile. See the command under the "index" target in ubuntu/Makefile
[08:48] mdke: ya, that was fine, however calling the images can't be changed like that
[08:48] that is why I did it like that temporarily
[08:49] nixternal: you are using different images?
[08:49] same images, but in the xslt template they are called ../../common and for the index.xml I need them as common/
[08:50] s/are called/are called as/
[08:50] no, adjusting the path to the css works fine for that
[08:50] because the images are called by the css
[08:50] well for Kubuntu docs none of the images are called rom css
[08:50] s/rom/from
[08:51] how are they called?
[08:51] kde-default nor kubuntu-default call the images. they are hardcoded in one of the .xsl files in kubuntu/libs
[08:51] eww
[08:51] why? I don't know, I guess they have been that way since day one
[08:51] I will look at changing that though
[08:52] hmm, so it seems ESR wants to become a MOTU
[08:52] haha
[08:53] I'm not sure how that will be
[08:53] nixternal: surely there must be a better way to do that than creating new files. Maybe just one separate xsl file will work
[08:53] I might have to watch what I say a bit more
[08:54] mdke: the way the 3 xsl templates are tied in requires duplication of the 3
[08:54] I will fix that though
[08:54] I need to get ready for school, so in between classes tonight I will look into it
[08:55] man, this is going to make me nervous
[08:56] nixternal: you can customise xsl like you can with css files
[08:59] wow, ESR was a Red Hat guy for 13 years?
[09:00] mdke: I've got a seminar to go to, shouldn't be more than 45 min. and then I should have a package for you shortly
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[09:07] LaserJock: awesome, I'll take a look later, thx
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[09:36] New bug: #86837 in kubuntu-docs (main) "[Feisty] Links incorrect on Konqi main page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86837
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[10:07] mdke: around?
[10:07] LaserJock: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[10:07] lol
[10:09] mdke: so ESR want's to make a man page browser system
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[10:44] LaserJock: he is late, KHelpCenter has done that for more than 10 years now :)
[10:44] nixternal: well, it's a bit different
[10:45] he actually wants to put all documentation in one place
[10:45] it's almost like our TBH stuff
[10:45] ahhh
[10:45] he want's make a large serchable database of documentation
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[10:46] tell him to get on it then
[10:46] so he is currently grabbing *every* man page in Ubuntu
[10:46] just don't blog about Ubuntu is all I ask
[10:46] and he's going to turn it into docbook
[10:46] he was good in 99 when he wrote the revenge or whatever of hackers
[10:46] since then he has been a virus
[10:47] alright, class time. I will bbiab to work on the xsl and css for Kubuntu docs, and now that bug jjesse created
[10:48] nixternal: well, he might be coming over here shortly so be nice ;-)
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[11:00] Anybody home?
[11:01] hi!
[11:02] funny seeing you here ;-)
[11:11] LserJock: I've made a launchpad account. Should I just write up a spec, or are there political steps best taken first?
[11:12] esr: well, it doesn't really hurt to make the spec
[11:12] esr: but if it was me I'd send an email to the doc mailing list to sort of throw it around a bit
[11:13] I will heed your advice.
[11:13] I've already subscribed.
[11:14] a spec, in and of itself, doesn't mean a whole lot so there's not really any harm in creating one
[11:14] but I'm sure the team will have questions/comments/suggestions so I kinda like to braindump it to the list first
[11:14] usually because I don't want to make an idiot of myself
[11:16] That's a good reason:-).
[11:17] although making an idiot of myself on a mailing list does tend to be a bit more permanent than doing it on the wiki
[11:17] LaserJock: hi
[11:17] mdke!
[11:17] I got it
[11:17] nice work
[11:17] mdke: what's the best way to rename a file in svn?
[11:17] svn mv?
[11:18] doh
[11:18] maybe I've been using CVS too much lately, I thought it was more complicated
[11:19] esr: I think you should continue talking to the gnome guys about help systems, they are working on a new project which probably overlaps with what I've read above
[11:20] in terms of desktop help systems, we'll be following GNOME in Ubuntu
[11:21] there's definitely room for system wide specifications, but there is existing talking upstream about it so that's the place to work
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[11:26] mdke: I hear you. What I'm actually hoping to do is sell this concept to the Linux Foundation, spin up a distribution-independent documentation infrastructure group fuunded by them, and then flog the resulting software to all distros.
[11:27] ah.
[11:27] That having been said, there are things about Ubunti that suggest it would be the right place to do the first implementation.
[11:27] well, dig around for a spec on it, it exists
[11:27] Project Mallard? Googling now...
[11:28] there is some free desktop stuff on it too, I think
[11:28] talk to DonS and shaunm about it in the gnome-docs team
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[11:29] Oh, crap. I'm reading the Project Mallard spec...
[11:29] mdke: just a sec
[11:29] mdke: should I just commit my changes?
[11:29] LaserJock: if they work, why not :)
[11:29] mdke: make sure to look them over
[11:30] ...and it looks like a recipe for a mess to me. First, they want to write a new markup language...
[11:30] I'm a little unsure of dependencies for the serverguide
[11:30] and we don't *need* a new markup language! We've got too many of the crusty buggers as it is!
[11:31] esr: plenty of discussion on the list about that. I myself questioned it and got some good responses
[11:31] LaserJock: will do
[11:31] night
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[12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3829 debian/ (11 files):
[12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: * reworked packaging to make a standalone server guide .deb
[12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: * updated long descriptions of the packages now that the server guide
[12:02] Ubuntu Documentation: and packaging guide aren't shipped
[12:03] \o/
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