as a persian this scares me immensely. I mean sure we're proud fucks, but when the entire western nation is against you, and you're only support is russia and china who probably wont give half a shit when it comes to actual military confrontation, you're scared half to death. All my family lives in Iran, i'm terrified. Fucking mullahs, leave us the fuck alone! we're not against the western world, we're prisoners of beings who have no respect for mankind! :sigh:

Shifty.py

03-16-2012 03:44 AM

My only hope is that Iran is not a pushover like Iraq and Libya and that would keep western "civilization" away.
But these are scary times indeed
Everyone silently agrees that Israel could bomb nuclear objects within their reach if they deem necessary
Europe joins in on Iran "blocade" even tho it hurts them tenfold more in expensive gasoline.
And Russia not supporting former allies and long time trade partners

pzabby

03-16-2012 01:14 PM

Iran is definitely not a pushover like Libya or Iraq. Their military is stronger than theirs by miles. However they are still no match for the U.S or Israel (a.k.a U.S). it will take a lot more tactics to take down Iran, considering their geography and the location of everything military for them, but say if it took less than a month to finish Iraq (the official end of the war) it will take months for Iran.

unless of course, as you said, Israel drops a nuclear bomb and as always the world will try to reason and protect the barbaric israelians. IMO the zionists, with the strength of the western world behind them, are the biggest threat to world peace since the U.S.S.R

Chris

03-16-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby
(Post 626860)

Iran is definitely not a pushover like Libya or Iraq. Their military is stronger than theirs by miles. However they are still no match for the U.S or Israel (a.k.a U.S). it will take a lot more tactics to take down Iran, considering their geography and the location of everything military for them, but say if it took less than a month to finish Iraq (the official end of the war) it will take months for Iran.

unless of course, as you said, Israel drops a nuclear bomb and as always the world will try to reason and protect the barbaric israelians. IMO the zionists, with the strength of the western world behind them, are the biggest threat to world peace since the U.S.S.R

Well thats a bold statement...

I definitely don't believe in military action, but I also don't like the idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. Comonnn economic sanctions.

Shifty.py

03-16-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopha
(Post 626880)

Well thats a bold statement...

I definitely don't believe in military action, but I also don't like the idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. Comonnn economic sanctions.

Are you sure Iran in posession of a nuke is that bad? If they had a nuke at hand, military intervention would not be discussed at all. So there would be more peace and cheaper goddamn gasoline for me :sigh:

And these economic sanctions to me feel like... how long can you poke a pet dog with a stick? Even the most tame and peaceful puppy will first try to run away but when cornered will go agressive

LX

03-16-2012 03:54 PM

It doesn't matter if they are a pushover or not. Afghanistan was as big of a pushover as you can get, and with an armed opposition ready to do the heavy lifting to boot, and guess what country is still locked in conflict and costing lives and money? The nature of warfare today is such that there is no winning. Israel will be on its way to altering the nature of its own pursuit as a secular democracy for good. They will not only be occupiers thumbing their noses at international law, they will be heading down a path towards the same sort of extremism they have forever claimed to prove the need for the occupation.

What really sucks is that there was an opening for negotiations a couple of years ago. For the US to have let that opportunity pass was equally stupid as anything Netanyahu might do.

pzabby

03-16-2012 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX
(Post 626948)

It doesn't matter if they are a pushover or not. Afghanistan was as big of a pushover as you can get, and with an armed opposition ready to do the heavy lifting to boot, and guess what country is still locked in conflict and costing lives and money? The nature of warfare today is such that there is no winning. Israel will be on its way to altering the nature of its own pursuit as a secular democracy for good. They will not only be occupiers thumbing their noses at international law, they will be heading down a path towards the same sort of extremism they have forever claimed to prove the need for the occupation.

What really sucks is that there was an opening for negotiations a couple of years ago. For the US to have let that opportunity pass was equally stupid as anything Netanyahu might do.

well said, imo they are, at this point, using the holocaust as an excuse to get their way, and their "way" is becoming more and more selfish and inhumane. the poor people in Palestine, im not talking about hammas, the people. They were forced out of their homes, all the while jews, christians, and muslims were all living happily within a country.

LX it may have seemed as an opening for negotiations, but these mullahs are as equally stubborn as they are extreme. Negotiation is not in their vocabulary. Either they get what they want entirely, or bring the whole nation down with them. Religion imo has been outta their mindset since khomeini enforced headresses on all women. khamenei is even worse.

pzabby

03-16-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopha
(Post 626880)

Well thats a bold statement...

I definitely don't believe in military action, but I also don't like the idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. Comonnn economic sanctions.

the economic sanction will only do so much. Of course i want them to work, as does everyone, but these mullahs will pinch every penny from the people's pockets until they get to where they want. They don't care if a doctor makes 150 dollars a day, where homes cost about 15 times homes in canada, and the price of meat is skyrocketing.

LX

03-16-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby
(Post 626979)

well said, imo they are, at this point, using the holocaust as an excuse to get their way, and their "way" is becoming more and more selfish and inhumane. the poor people in Palestine, im not talking about hammas, the people. They were forced out of their homes, all the while jews, christians, and muslims were all living happily within a country.

LX it may have seemed as an opening for negotiations, but these mullahs are as equally stubborn as they are extreme. Negotiation is not in their vocabulary. Either they get what they want entirely, or bring the whole nation down with them. Religion imo has been outta their mindset since khomeini enforced headresses on all women. khamenei is even worse.

I didn't mean the holocaust. I think that is tempered, though it still has an effect in Europe. I meant the current threat of annihilation which gets overplayed, especially by their own religious extremists that are weakening their democratic institutions. The majority in both Israel and Palestine have looked towards settling everything and working cooperatively. But the path to power has always been through provoking and responding on both sides. That dynamic stopped working for the Palestinians, and now that they have broken the cycle to a degree it has lead to Israel's leadership facing rot from within.

pzabby

03-16-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX
(Post 626989)

I didn't mean the holocaust. I think that is tempered, though it still has an effect in Europe. I meant the current threat of annihilation which gets overplayed, especially by their own religious extremists that are weakening their democratic institutions. The majority in both Israel and Palestine have looked towards settling everything and working cooperatively. But the path to power has always been through provoking and responding on both sides. That dynamic stopped working for the Palestinians, and now that they have broken the cycle to a degree it has lead to Israel's leadership facing rot from within.

well put. I agree. Now the scary thing about this is will the west continue to provide them support, even when they rot? If they do, that's what I meant about the threat to world peace, it's a very dangerous game in the middle east today, on many different fronts.

10

03-16-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby
(Post 626860)

as always the world will try to reason and protect the barbaric israelians. IMO the zionists, with the strength of the western world behind them, are the biggest threat to world peace since the U.S.S.R

This is the kind of ignorance that plagues both sides of the debate.

pzabby

03-16-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10gizzle
(Post 626993)

This is the kind of ignorance that plagues both sides of the debate.

i'm guessing either you didn't read my comment fully or you're a zionist. which is it? I have nothing against the state of Israel, just the leaders they have in place right now. explain yourself, and so will I.

LX

03-16-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby
(Post 626992)

well put. I agree. Now the scary thing about this is will the west continue to provide them support, even when they rot? If they do, that's what I meant about the threat to world peace, it's a very dangerous game in the middle east today, on many different fronts.

The west kinda has to. It was the west that created the place as it is today, and they've spent decades looking the other way while the settlements violated international law. I agree that it's a threat to world peace, but war would be unfeasible in so many respects. What bugs me is that internal politics has allowed problems to fester all over the place as is. And internal politics in the US has kept them from forcing a compromise, or at least a halt to the settlements and human rights violations as they should. Whatever hope the Arab spring brings gets wasted in the inability of getting movement in this mess.