Milky Foot:

Could there be a better time to try Milky Foot?! We think not. Hannah took one for the team and tried it (although we do recommend listening back to Episode 18 with podiatrist Sarah to see if it's suitable for you). We find out what the process is like and how long you should expect your feet to peel for! Also, we can assure you, this content is absolutely not sponsored.

Hannah Furst:We're back and we've been having a really hard time trying to figure out how the hell to record this in a high quality way. So...

Joanna Flemming:We didn't want to deliver a low quality podcast to you guys.

Hannah Furst:Exactly.

Joanna Flemming:We knew that the show had to go on. So now we're here and we've done several hours of back and forth.

Hannah Furst:I have been running around Melbourne and I've been trying to figure out how we can get this show on the road.

Joanna Flemming:Hannah's the real MVP ... can produce a podcast in a pandemic.

Hannah Furst:Exactly. Now speaking of pandemics, we wanted to start this episode on a more serious note, which is we hope everyone is keeping safe and at a distance. We definitely are. Neither of us are in the same room at the moment, which I just feel like I know you so well that I don't have to be in the same room as you.

Joanna Flemming:I couldn't do this distance thing, like if I didn't know you, I don't think.

Hannah Furst:How have you been keeping kind of sane and happy and healthy and whatever else?

Joanna Flemming:Well I think you'll be the same, but absolutely the memes they're just keeping me going. Like they really are.

Hannah Furst:The memes are giving me life. It's like we're all really thinking and feeling the same way.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah. Yeah. But I think the general consensus is that everyone's just trying to keep their spirits high because it is a really scary time. It's very stressful. A lot of people are really anxious, but being able to share memes just really keeps everyone on the same page.

Hannah Furst:I saw a friend recently who's single and we both said we're probably not going to have sex for four to six months. Like we weren't sure what the official timeline is.

Joanna Flemming:Lucky you've got your [inaudible 00:01:58].

Hannah Furst:So, so lucky like literally going to keep me sane in the coming months.

Joanna Flemming:You know what I'm going through at the moment, I'm having regrets over all the things that I've binged when I didn't need to be.

Hannah Furst:Totally.

Joanna Flemming:So I'm like, Why did I watch all of Schitt's Creek at once? Why did I watch all of The Bold Type at once? I should have saved them for something like this where I really need something to watch.

Hannah Furst:Who are you going to be quarantined potentially with?

Joanna Flemming:I assume my parents.

Hannah Furst:I'll say I'm on my own.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah. Well you've got your parents upstairs so you can just [crosstalk 00:02:28]...

Hannah Furst:I assume that because we're all in the same building and we have no neighbors that we're kind of quarantined together?

Joanna Flemming:You are.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. I hope so.

Joanna Flemming:Just go and stay upstairs.

Hannah Furst:And the other thing that I wanted to ask our listeners is, I had this idea for a dating podcast...

Joanna Flemming:A personal one that you're thinking of starting?

Hannah Furst:So if we get to the point where we can't go outside and I've got to start a hobby of some description inside, I was going to dial in my dates for and we'd be like, we can discuss like dating in the pandemic but also get to know each other.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah, that sounds fun.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. So, if anyone's interested, hit me up.

Joanna Flemming:We'll come up with a name for it and let us know on Instagram whether it's going ahead. I'm thinking of having a true crime podcast because that's my real passion.

Hannah Furst:I seriously think this is the time, Jo. I would so listen to your true crime podcast. Definitely.

Joanna Flemming:I honestly think in another life I might write a novel.

Hannah Furst:I think that's a good idea and you're a great writer and you're passionate about true crime.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah. I think I also probably could be a detective, but that's just on a separate note.

Hannah Furst:So anyway, this intro was great. I just feel like I'm chatting to a friend on the phone. You're going to keep me sane.

Joanna Flemming:Can you guys tell that we're lonely? That was a really long intro.

Hannah Furst:I know. Like we're so desperate for interaction with each other. So what is on this episode?

Joanna Flemming:All right, so on today's episode, excuse the pun, shedding a light on Milky Foot because obviously now's the perfect time to try it.

Hannah Furst:Totally, the perfect time.

Joanna Flemming:And then we're also hearing about your oily skin routine and of course our products we didn't know we needed.

Hannah Furst:It's a really Hannah heavy episode.

Joanna Flemming:It is. Love that view.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. Get to know me better.

Hannah Furst:So this week's cringey combo is all about Milky Foot and [crosstalk 00:04:16]...

Joanna Flemming:Ah, I'm so excited for this.

Hannah Furst:The reason that I decided to do Milky Foot now was because I was like, This is the perfect time to...

Joanna Flemming:There couldn't be a better time.

Hannah Furst:Now is the time to Milky Foot. So basically what happened was we mentioned Milky Foot on an episode with the podiatrist, Sarah. She didn't necessarily recommend Milky Foot. She said that if you don't have even, I guess, hard skin around your foot or you've got any cuts or wounds or any allergies like eczema or fungal infections, you definitely would want to seek out medical advice prior to trying Milky Foot. We mentioned Milky foot on that episode and Milky Foot reached out to us on Instagram and sent us a couple to try.

Joanna Flemming:We lost it. We lost it.

Hannah Furst:We were like, Oh my God, Milky Foot listens. We couldn't believe it. We said we'd made it, like we've actually made it. So although I did get sent feminine hygiene wash by a really fancy brand the other day. So I do feel like... I'm yet to hear from Aldi about sending me free panty liners.

Joanna Flemming:They're probably a bit preoccupied with toilet paper at the moment.

Hannah Furst:That's true. Fingers crossed. I was in there the other day and the panty liners were running low.

Joanna Flemming:Oh shit.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. Shit.

Joanna Flemming:You took one for the team for us and you have tried Milky Foot.

Hannah Furst:I did.

Joanna Flemming:I have yet to try mine, but I will be trying it because I don't have anywhere to go, so I'm going to try it. Now that you've done it and you've been my guinea pig and it really hasn't been that bad for you.

Hannah Furst:Look, I was expecting it to be a lot worse. So I was expecting the peeling to be less superficial. So the peeling literally is the very, very, very top layer of the skin. So you know when you get a blister or something and the skin that peels off is quite, there's like, you've got like raw skin underneath. It's not like that. There's no pain.

Joanna Flemming:You're not breaking the skin.

Hannah Furst:No. It's literally that very top level, superficial layer of skin and it is the most satisfying thing particularly right now when I've got nothing to do at home. I literally sit on the couch with my foot over a bin and just peel bits of skin off. It's like...

Hannah Furst:I'm trying to think. Do you know what it's like, you know when you were in primary school or whatever and you used to do that glue. What's that glue stuff?

Joanna Flemming:Yes. Clag.

Hannah Furst:Clag or whatever and you used to peel it off and it's this very thin layer of... it's so satisfying. So basically the way that it works, so I used the active version, so there's two versions. There's I think the standard Milky Foot and then there's the active. So the active, the key gradients I really wanted to find out what was in it. So the key ingredients are, it said on the ingredients label, mandelic acid and AHA. Now mandelic acid is an AHA, isn't it?

Joanna Flemming:Yep. Yes.

Hannah Furst:So it must have two types. Honestly, I don't know what the AHA is, but anyway it seems to have mandelic acid and AHA, whether or not that's glycolic acid, I'm not sure. It has milk ferment filtrate.

Joanna Flemming:So I'm pretty sure Cleopatra used to bathe in donkey's milk because it has lactic acid in it. And so she had really smooth skin.

Hannah Furst:Oh, I love that.

Joanna Flemming:So that would make total sense wouldn't it?

Hannah Furst:Yeah. So it also has soothing herbal ingredients, but the active version has tannic acid.

Joanna Flemming:Oh what's that?

Hannah Furst:I tried to look that up too and I was really struggling. I felt like [crosstalk 00:08:03] don't trust me with the ingredients.

Joanna Flemming:Tannic acid?

Hannah Furst:It's got astringent properties it says.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:There's that and then salicylic acid and below 2%. So, salicylic acid is a beta hydroxy acid. So there's a lot of acids in there, obviously.

Joanna Flemming:There is.

Hannah Furst:And it's really interesting because I was like surely, this solution, what the... like surely this can't peel your skin off? Because within the first day or two nothing happens and you're like...

Joanna Flemming:Well, it says that it's meant to take up to a week. Doesn't it?

Hannah Furst:What I don't understand...

Joanna Flemming:They advise to do it three weeks before an event or something?

Hannah Furst:Yeah. Oh no. You would not want to do it in the days before an event. Absolutely not. But you basically put on these little plastic booties and you leave them on...

Joanna Flemming:I loved your Instagram stories.

Hannah Furst:I'm going to put this all on Instagram. I'm not going to put the peeling up unless by popular demand.

Joanna Flemming:Guys look for it please.

Hannah Furst:Actually send me a personal DM and I'll send you personal photos because I just don't feel comfortable putting in on...

Joanna Flemming:What did I say to you Hannah?

Hannah Furst:Oh, you wanted to see the peeling, but I couldn't put that out on public. I did say...

Hannah Furst:I know. So I'm going to send you that video and anyone else that wants to see that video I can send it to you personally, but otherwise I'll keep that one off the Gram. I actually said in my story last night, I warned everyone and I was like, If you're my romantic prospect, please do not tap because you definitely don't want your potential date seeing it.

Joanna Flemming:Unless they're like me and they like that kind of stuff.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, exactly. Well, you would love that.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:Men listening, you know what photos Jo.... it's like the opposite of a dick pic, isn't it?

Joanna Flemming:Exactly.

Hannah Furst:Like someone's peeling foot.

Joanna Flemming:Or popping a pimple.

Hannah Furst:Or popping a pimple. And so you basically leave the socks on for 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I left mine on for about 50 minutes and then you rinse your feet under water, get rid of the little booties, the plastic booties.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:And then basically within three to seven days you'll start to see this peeling and it's like, it's relentless. It doesn't stop. My feet are still peeling.

Joanna Flemming:It takes like seven to 10 days or something, doesn't it?

Hannah Furst:It does. But the bottom of my feet is like a baby's bottom. Like your feet ... it's never been softer.

Joanna Flemming:She came in this morning and she was like, from a distance, she took her foot off and she was like, How good does my foot look? And her toes had like skin falling off. I was like, Oh my...

Hannah Furst:Oh my God. So I was in the car with my mom the other day and there was skin falling on her nice car and she's like, Hannah, get your feet out of my car. And also, I'm going to have to wash all my sheets because it's going to be dead skin.

Joanna Flemming:Yes. I might do it tonight because I've got nowhere to be the next few weeks.

Hannah Furst:I think you should.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:The only other thing that I'll say is that you should probably, well you should, not probably, you should definitely and Milky Foot suggests this to do a spot test.

Joanna Flemming:Yep.

Hannah Furst:Because it's a pretty intense formula. So if you have sensitive skin or eczema or anything like that, you definitely don't want to be using this product.

Joanna Flemming:How would you do a spot test?

Hannah Furst:So they, basically Milky Foot recommends that you'd simply apply a dab of the formula from the sock onto a part of your foot. And if there's no reaction, then they say that you're fine to use it. But look, I would actually go back and listen to the episode with the podiatrist and get, I mean her, she didn't seem to be for them.

Joanna Flemming:I think she said if you're a completely healthy person it's fine, but you wouldn't want to use it as you said if you have wounds or anything on your feet.

Hannah Furst:Yeah and Milky Foot do not recommend using it if you have a nail fungal infection.

Joanna Flemming:Yep.

Hannah Furst:So yeah and then definitely consult a doctor if you're unsure. But anyway, that was my, I'm loving it. But to be honest, if we weren't practicing social distancing, like I don't know when I'd have, because we have events usually on, so it's kind of difficult.

Joanna Flemming:I was thinking I'm never going to have a time when I can do this.

Hannah Furst:It's actually winter when you're wearing boots I think is the time to do it.

Joanna Flemming:And then apparently if you have socks on and you pull the socks off, all the skin comes with it.

Hannah Furst:It's like you're shedding skin. Like shedding, but it's super satisfying. Like peeling it off during video conferencing calls. It's like, that's what I've been doing. So yeah, that's Milky Foot.

Joanna Flemming:We get more in depth on skincare ingredients like retinol.

Hannah Furst:And I also take you through the ultimate haircare routine to tame Hagrid hair if you're anything like me.

Joanna Flemming:Just search for Adore Beauty on YouTube and subscribe so you never miss a video.

Joanna Flemming:Hannah, you get a lot of questions about your skincare routine because you have oily skin.

Hannah Furst:I do.

Joanna Flemming:And so we've decided to share that with the world about what you're doing for your skin.

Hannah Furst:I've like really, really researched this topic.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah. Although I think when you first started with us and you weren't using anything good on your skin, I think you've got it managed now. Like you know...

Hannah Furst:Definitely.

Joanna Flemming:... what to use on your skin and I, when you started I was like, Is she dehydrated? Like, I don't know what is going on.

Hannah Furst:Well, I actually think there's a couple of things. When I started at Adore, I had constant breakouts and I think when you have all that oil, it can clog your pores and definitely make you more prone to breakouts. So if you're not managing the oil production and the overproduction of oil, then you definitely will be more susceptible.

Joanna Flemming:Yep.

Hannah Furst:Basically sebum, as we've spoken about on previous episodes, sebum is actually not bad. So, we're shit-talking sebum, but sebum's not bad because it actually protects the skin from becoming dry and irritated, but [crosstalk 00:14:31]...

Joanna Flemming:It's essential for healthy skin.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. And so, thank you, but oily skin types tend to have enlarged pores, which produce more oil.

Joanna Flemming:So oily skin could be for a variety of reasons. It could be genetics. It could be environmental which stimulates the secretion of the sebum. It could be over-cleansing the skin, over exfoliating the skin, medication, cosmetics, hormonal changes. There's so many different reasons why we may experience oily skin or why we may constantly have oily skin. So Hannah, you are a true example of a classic oily skin.

Hannah Furst:And I haven't got acneic skin, but I definitely would have classic oily skin. I think there's times where I've thought it was combination and I was reading today that the issue with some people not being able to correctly identify their skin type is that they're not then using the right products.

Joanna Flemming:Yes. Absolutely. That's so true.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, so I think one of the biggest issues for me that when I don't sort of treat my oily skin is that when I get breakouts, when there's an overproduction of oil, basically I experience post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation and that literally does not go away for so long.

Joanna Flemming:An interesting point on, I'm not using the right products for your skin. We've talked before about you using a rich moisturizer under a dewy foundation and then wondering why you're shiny throughout the day. So that's an example of you probably not prepping your skin in the right way for your skin type. You could definitely still use that foundation but you're not prepping your skin properly for your skin type.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, I totally learnt my lesson recently. I've been changing up all of my products, which we're going to talk about today because I literally was like, particularly if I was going out at night, my skin was like sliding round.

Joanna Flemming:If you aren't prepping the skin with like a oil control or mattifying primer as well, you might find that the color of your foundation is oxidizing too, so you might find that while it's also separating on your skin, you're also turning a bit orange.

Hannah Furst:And the other thing that I've learnt probably from Jo was, you got to wash your face. You've really got to wash your face, but you don't want to use products that are going to dry it out because the skin can actually then create more oil if you try to strip it and dry it out. So let's get onto the products. So I've written, I've actually come up with, I was trying to think about it and I'm like, Oh my God, I use so many products. It's crazy. Sorry.

Joanna Flemming:I'm looking at this list. Oh my goodness.

Hannah Furst:I've gone cray, cray.

Joanna Flemming:She has.

Hannah Furst:I'm going to start with skincare. So basically I double cleanse. So, I will use an oil cleanser. Oil cuts through oil without disrupting the skin's balance. Is that right? That's what it feels like.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:So I really like a cleansing balm, something like Clinique's Take Off The Day. Then I'll go in with a foaming cleanser, which will remove really stubborn oil, makeup and SPF. My skin at the end of the day, if I don't wear makeup is just like, you can just feel like there's a layer of oil and grime on the skin, particularly if you're wearing SPF as well.

Hannah Furst:In terms of exfoliation, so I have been really quite nervous about using AHA solutions or liquid gold or any of those kind of exfoliants that strip the skin too much. I just find that I do tend to break out. So I have discovered, this is new, D'lumiere Esthetique. So they have an AHA, 20% oily skin solution, which it won't strip the skin and it's still really active but you don't get that really tight, dry feeling.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. A 20% AHA is quite intense, but it must have some other ingredients in it that keep the skin balanced.

Hannah Furst:So it's got some hydrating and soothing ingredients.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:It's kind of got a bit of a... It's not like you put it on and your skin dries out. It definitely has that hydrating feeling like it leaves a kind of film on the skin.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. Yeah. Murad had one similar to that too and it's got kind of like a AHA and also like an oil part to it so it doesn't strip the skin of anything. It's kind of restoring moisture at the same time.

Hannah Furst:Yes. That's exactly what it's like. I highly recommend if you want a hardcore acid without stripping your skin because you have oily skin, definitely give this one a go. It's also got a really, really good pump, so it's easy to use.

Joanna Flemming:Yes. It's got the pump top. I love that.

Hannah Furst:In terms of serums, sorry, look SkinCeuticals have been spoiling me lately and they sent Jo and I to go get a consult with a couple of cosmetic surgeons, Dr. David Topchian and Dr. Scott Ellis, which was amazing. We had the best time learning all about, I guess the link between skincare and cosmetic procedures. We talked a lot about injectables, didn't we?

Joanna Flemming:Yes, we did. We certainly did.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. So, basically I'm using [inaudible 00:20:00] SkinCeuticals products at the moment. So if anyone uses the C E Ferulic, it is like our best selling vitamin C serum. They have a version for oily skin types called Phloretin CF, which is a really high potency antioxidant serum and it's specifically formulated for oily and combination skin types. I am also using the Blemish+ Age Defense, which is a salicylic acid solution, but it's also for aging, which is amazing.

Joanna Flemming:I think that's one of the best products. Like how good is that? It's made for people with adult acne. That's awesome.

Hannah Furst:Seriously. So good. So I use that as a spot treatment. I don't put that all over my face, although I do put it all over my nose because I've got so many blackheads.

Joanna Flemming:It helps to exfoliate the inner wall of the pore.

Hannah Furst:And then there's SkinCeuticals H.A Intensifier. It's really important to maintain hydration levels even if you have oily skin. So, I'm loving that one. You also love that one.

Joanna Flemming:You know that's one of my faves.

Hannah Furst:Another one that I've been using is the SkinCeuticals Retinol 0.3% which is actually, it's their lowest retinol, but it's super strong still.

Joanna Flemming:It is a pure retinol, I believe.

Hannah Furst:It is. It is. But the reason...

Joanna Flemming:Which makes it a bit stronger than what you'd be used to in a 0.3 form usually.

Hannah Furst:So start that one slowly but retinol's great for oily skin because, and particularly like me, aging, oily skin, retinol targets fine lines and wrinkles, skin tone, texture breakouts but it also helps to control sebum production. PCA do have a retinol specific for oily skin types, so if you're not using another salicylic acid product that actually has salicylic acid in it. So that's called the...

Joanna Flemming:PCA also have some great products and I think it's such an underrated cosmeceutical brand.

Hannah Furst:Totally.

Joanna Flemming:I have quite a few PCA products and I just think not enough people know about them.

Hannah Furst:They've got some really specialized targeted treatments.

Joanna Flemming:They've got a retinol for sensitive skin as well.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. So this one's PCA Skin Intensive Clarity Treatment. So that is a 0.5% pure retinol for oily combination skin. In terms of moisturizer, I'm actually using the Beauté Pacifique oil-free moisturizer. So it's, actually just smells really good. Do you know that Beauté Pacifique have like a specific smell? It smells...

Joanna Flemming:No.

Hannah Furst:Oh my God, I love...

Joanna Flemming:Do all their products smell the same?

Hannah Furst:Well, I don't know if this is...

Joanna Flemming:I've never noticed that.

Hannah Furst:I don't know if this is true, but I notice a smell with all their products and I love it.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. I'll have to pay attention to that.

Hannah Furst:So this one will give you hydration but won't clog the pores. Obviously it's oil-free. I also have been using this religiously for a really long time now is Aspect B. Is it one seven or 17?

Joanna Flemming:I think it's 17.

Hannah Furst:Yeah okay. That is a vitamin B [inaudible 00:22:50]. It's B, I think it's B3 and B5. It's actually I think got a patented blend of like I'm not...

Hannah Furst:And then in terms of SPF, please don't forget your SPF. I actually still, I'm using my Ultra Violette Supreme Screen just because I love the finish of it.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:It's such a good SPF, but if you really do have oily skin, you might want to try the Ultra Violette Clean Screen.

Joanna Flemming:Yep. Okay. So that's covered off skin, but I think probably most important part is the makeup because I think a lot of people with oily skin are just confused about where to start with their makeup. How to prep their skin properly, how to get their foundation to last all day. So you've kind of found a way around shininess?

Hannah Furst:Definitely. I've spoken about this on the podcast before. It is, I call it a glazed, it's glazed donut.

Joanna Flemming:Yes. You found a way around. I like being a glazed donut but I don't have oily skin so mine's like a semi-glazed donut. But you're full on glazed donut.

Hannah Furst:It's like a donut that's in oil, like bubbling in oil.

Joanna Flemming:Okay, sure. Okay. So it's like when you go to Donut King at Northcote Plaza and ask for a hot cinnamon donut and they put it on the...

Hannah Furst:Yeah.

Joanna Flemming:Okay, cool. Yeah, got it.

Hannah Furst:So this is the biggest tip for me, is you're going to have to, if you don't want to look like that three hours after applying your makeup, you're just going to have to become best friends with a matte finish.

Joanna Flemming:Yes.

Hannah Furst:I have been using like satin finish, dewy... Like I've been using everything and honestly they all end up looking oily. You really have to kind of accept that if you want your makeup to I guess last all night, you're going to have to kind of go with a bit more of a matte finish. And I've got a way around that. I've actually been using highlighter.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. Yeah. I don't usually use highlighter because I'm shiny enough.

Hannah Furst:Oh, I use a shitload of highlighter because I've been using matte foundation. So in terms of primer, God, I mean it doesn't really matter what primer you use, but I use a mattifying primer. So at the moment I'm using the Lancôme Prep and Matte. You can go onto our site and literally go to primers and I think you can...

Joanna Flemming:Smith and Cole have a good one too.

Hannah Furst:Yeah they do.

Joanna Flemming:For oily skin as well.

Hannah Furst:It's actually, it's charcoal, isn't it?

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:But it goes on clear.

Joanna Flemming:It comes out black, but it goes on translucent.

Hannah Furst:Yeah. And in terms of foundation, look, the Estee Lauder Double Wear foundation is obviously amazing. I love that one. But the one that I have basically been using forever and it's always been my holy grail in terms of medium to full coverage is the MAC Studio Fix Fluid foundation because it also controls oil production. That one's a really, really good one.

Joanna Flemming:Did you use that in, you did a YouTube. You filmed a YouTube video recently...

Hannah Furst:Yes.

Joanna Flemming:... Where you put a full coverage foundation on and you run around the block. Is that one of the ones that you did?

Hannah Furst:Yeah, so I did on one half of my face I did Double Wear and on the other half I did MAC Studio Fix.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:So they both, look the Double Wear definitely is like, it's like bulletproof but they both lasted really well. And the girl that I did it with didn't use a powder, like a powder over the top and so she was like an absolute, it was falling off her face. So, and she doesn't have oily skin. So, and if you want to see this video please subscribe to the YouTube channel because it will be coming out soon. But I use, in terms of powder, like if I just use a setting spray, not enough.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:You have to use a powder. So IT Cosmetics Bye Bye Pores Translucent powder, there's a loose one and then a press for your handbag, which you can take out with you at night. That is a godsend.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah, I've heard that's amazing.

Hannah Furst:It is the best translucent powder I've ever used.

Joanna Flemming:Oh big call.

Hannah Furst:No, but I've been using a lot of different translucent powders. This is next level.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:Like it literally airbrushes, makes your pores go away and any time I use it, people comment on it.

Joanna Flemming:Interesting. Okay.

Hannah Furst:And then I do also use a setting spray because I'm really extra. So I use the Make Up Forever Light Velvet mist.

Joanna Flemming:That's new isn't it?

Hannah Furst:Yeah it is new. I've started using it because it controls shine and mattifies the skin. So that one is definitely for oily skin types.

Joanna Flemming:You always talk about how your mascara transfers and you get panda eyes or it's like running down your face. So yes, mascara is very important here. So what are you using?

Hannah Furst:I would say mascara is one of the most important things to get right for an oily skin type because literally, like if I want to do, because I really like that look where you put [inaudible 00:27:52] on your bottom lashes.

Joanna Flemming:Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Hannah Furst:You cannot do that even with a waterproof mascara with oily skin.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:Because I think what waterproof mascara is really for crying. It's not really...

Joanna Flemming:Yeah, okay. That's really a good point that you make. I've never thought of it that way.

Hannah Furst:So I, now we did find out that this wasn't a cheapie mascara, but it really kind of feels like, I haven't used a cheapie mascara, so I'm not really sure the difference. But it's Estee Lauder Sumptuous Rebel.

Joanna Flemming:Sumptuous.

Hannah Furst:Sumptuous. It's amazing. It's like the best mascara. So the only problem with it is, that if you come home at night, you have to spend and you've had a few drinks, it's like you really got to put the effort in to get it off. You can't just use [inaudible 00:28:59] water in bed. So it's a little bit challenging to get off. So I definitely don't wear that day to day, that's event mascara.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:And that is I feel like a pretty solid list.

Joanna Flemming:That is a full rundown.

Hannah Furst:If anyone's got oily skin, you do not need anything else because that's everything that I use. But to be honest, you'll be out quite a few thousand if you go through the list.

Joanna Flemming:Now you can just direct people to this podcast episode when they send you a DM.

Hannah Furst:I know and I get people all the time asking me, so this is literally everything that I use.

Joanna Flemming:Well, sorry if you don't have oily skin and you just wasted but there's a lot in there that you can use on not oily skin as well.

Hannah Furst:And also if you've got acne prone skin or you have the occasional breakout.

Joanna Flemming:Great. Well, thanks for filling us in on your full skin and makeup routine. I appreciate that.

Hannah Furst:I feel like I didn't breathe. I just went around talking without breathing.

Joanna Flemming:You need a glass of water.

Hannah Furst:I seriously feel dehydrated right now. This is how you must feel after every episode.

Hannah Furst:Okay. So product that we didn't know we needed. I seriously, can I just say we're getting to the end of our recording, it does not feel like I'm not with you. It feels like I've been with you this whole time.

Joanna Flemming:I know. This is going to be fun.

Hannah Furst:If you recorded a podcast with someone that you don't know well it would be quite challenging.

Joanna Flemming:It would be.

Hannah Furst:Because I just know, I know what face you're making right now.

Joanna Flemming:Do you?

Hannah Furst:Yeah, I know. When you're like, I know like the inflection of your voice. Like I obviously, it's like we're married and I know when you're angry or frustrated, like I know. Even through your voice.

Joanna Flemming:I bet our listeners do as well.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, I think they would, they probably, I'd be interested to know if they can tell that we're not together or it's like we're together.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah because a lot of our listeners feel like we're their friends, which is so nice.

Hannah Furst:Cute.

Joanna Flemming:And then sometimes I think it's strange because I don't know them but they know you and I, so it's a bit bizarre.

Hannah Furst:They know a lot about me.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:Seriously.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. So off the back of your makeup routine, you mentioned that you used a shitload of highlighter. So what are you actually using?

Hannah Furst:So, this was the product I didn't know I needed, because to be honest, I said in an earlier episode that I don't like highlighter and that I don't use highlighter. But because of this new makeup routine, I'd like being, it was actually because of my sister's wedding, the makeup artist put so much highlighter on me, I was like, Damn, I look so good with highlighter.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:And so I'm using the MAC Cosmetics Hyper Real Glow Palette in Get It Glowin'. Honestly, it's got three shades.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah, that's a really nice palette.

Hannah Furst:It's got three different shades of highlighter. I like mix them together and then I use the bronze to do like a bit more contour vibe.

Joanna Flemming:Okay. What brush do you use?

Hannah Furst:I actually use, I've been using like an angle brush.

Joanna Flemming:Okay.

Hannah Furst:Is that wrong?

Joanna Flemming:No. That's fine.

Hannah Furst:Like I don't use a highlighter brush. Like I actually just like pack it on like bronzer to be honest.

Joanna Flemming:I use a really, like a really small brush. Like the Real Techniques setting brush, which I also use to...

Hannah Furst:Yes.

Joanna Flemming:I have another one that I use to apply translucent powder because I only do a tiny bit of powder. So that really allows you to be quite precise with where you're applying it.

Hannah Furst:Well, I'm not precise. I'm pretty aggressive.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:I've been going to town with this stuff.

Joanna Flemming:I can imagine.

Hannah Furst:I've actually been getting more comments on my makeup since I've started using this.

Joanna Flemming:Oh, okay. That's good to know.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, I think it really gives it that kind of like makeup artist look because I usually am like super basic and like I use one bronzer and one blush.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah.

Hannah Furst:What is the product that you didn't know you needed?

Joanna Flemming:So mine's a bit of an interesting one because I've never used another product like this. I know that there's others on the market, but my PWDKWN is the new Foreo BEAR. So this is a microcurrent device. So I've never used anything like it and to be honest, it feels a little bit weird on your face when you first use it because it vibrates as well.

Joanna Flemming:So like you'll know if you used other Foreo products, their whole thing is these T-Sonic pulsations. So that's meant to help all of your products absorb into your skin better. It's meant to stimulate blood flow and all of that. But the microcurrent in the product, you might have heard that other celeb facialists use this kind of technology to lift and contour and refine the skin and it's meant to be like a noninvasive facelift. So I haven't used it long enough to determine whether I've had a facelift...

Hannah Furst:But Jo, you already look like you've had a facelift.

Joanna Flemming:Well I hope so, but I'm hoping that this will help lift my neck because sagging necks run in my family. So I'm really, I'm kind of focusing this on the neck and jaw line.

Hannah Furst:Can we talk about, back to our consults with the cosmetic surgeons?

Joanna Flemming:Yes. Yes.

Hannah Furst:They said that my neck was, was I had a nice neck.

Joanna Flemming:Yes they did. They said you've got a great profile.

Hannah Furst:Yeah, but your neck wasn't as good as mine.

Joanna Flemming:No, my neck's not as good. I've got a bit of a double chin situation.

Hannah Furst:You do say that quite a bit, but I really haven't noticed that.

Joanna Flemming:No, I see it all the time in photos. I think I do, but I can see it in my dad and so I'm like, That's going to happen to me and I just want to make sure that I'm firming my jaw line. So that's kind of why I'm using this device to hopefully prolong when I'll need a neck lift.

Hannah Furst:Not if, when.

Joanna Flemming:Yeah, not if, when. The microcurrents are meant to stimulate those muscles and promote a more lifted appearance. So yeah, it has been used in the medical industry for a long time so I kind of trust that it's doing something. But if you're concerned about that sagging along your jaw line, maybe it's time to invest in a BEAR.

Hannah Furst:Nice. Well can you give us a little demo on stories?

Joanna Flemming:Yes I will. I'm going to upload on IGTV so that will be up ...

Hannah Furst:Oh awesome.

Joanna Flemming:... hopefully by the time this episode goes out.

Hannah Furst:Head to Adore Beauty on Instagram to see what it's all about because it's kind of hard because I'm looking at it on their website and it's hard to describe it over podcast.

Joanna Flemming:Yes, it is, certainly is. There's a lot of things that are hard to describe over podcast, but if you go and see it in the visual form, it'll make a lot of sense.

Joanna Flemming:And please feel free to keep chatting to us by DM because we are separated and we're going to try and do some lives. Honey, you should do a live on your personal Instagram. I might do one on my personal one too.

Hannah Furst:We, Jo and I...

Joanna Flemming:We're going to do one together.

Hannah Furst:So we're going to do at Adore Beauty... So, if you're interested in getting more interactive with us, we're going to be home. So, we're going to be home a lot. Let us know what you want to see. So we know that skincare and you know my oily skin is the least of anyone's problems right now, but...

Joanna Flemming:It is a good distraction though from totally stress and anxiety that's going on in the world at the moment. So if you guys are happy for us to just keep talking about skincare and makeup and beauty, then we're happy to keep recording it. So yeah, thanks for joining us for another episode, we will catch you next week.

Hannah Furst:Thanks everyone for joining us today.

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