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Today is a sad day for America! So sad that i infact have decided with in the next six months i will be moving back to where my family is from
Ireland. I'm ready for the flames....the.... go back we don't care.... but in the end i will be watching as America crumbles and those of you who
have decided to turn America into socialism go down with him. I say him because America is no longer her "America". The constitution no longer means
anything. The Dems will control the house the senate and the presidencey. Democrocey will be dead!

To the rest of the world all i have to say is remember Marx? You think things are bad now. We just gave the middle east a green light to go ahead and
do what ever they want.

The media has misrepresented this election. Young voters who were voting for Obama when asked questions about Obamas policies substitued with McCains
policeis nodded there heads for their Anti Christ just because someone said they were Obama's policies. So many uneducated voters it's sad.

ATS Americans i see it coming! Tomorrow we are no longer Americans though we are Socialoltins.

Mark my words brothers and sisters...this marks the end of times! Democrocey is dead! I wish you all the best.

All in all even if McCain got in to office we would have just prolonged the inevitable but atleast we would still be America.

Interesting, the actual communist party of America does not support or agree with Obama's policies.
Marx actually had good ideas, and if we could put them in affect without normal human aspirations, it'd probably work out pretty well.

Marx was an idiot. He tried to play rich v poor so he could have his revolution, which he forecast no less than ten times. Communism is a relick of
the hatred of the Soviet Socialist machine. Rich and poor can synergise, but they need leadership for it. Enter Obama. There is no way that Western
Democracy has any truck for the old corrupt Soviet ways. Obama may be slightly socialistic, he is not a comm, and certainly not a trot. Speaking as a
Brit, the world is wrecked otherwise.

Obama policies have nothing or very little to do with Socialism or Marxism for that mater. Unfortunately the reasons why some people are worried about
this is just the result of candidate bashing and actually believing in everything you hear and read. Socialism is to America what Capitalism is to
Cuba.

And here come our uneducated voters. Do you know what socialism is! I do not need to explain to you, you are set in your ways. Watch and see what
happens to America from this point on. Don't worry about i told you so because chances are you won;t be around to hear it.

Young voters who were voting for Obama when asked questions about Obamas policies substituted with McCain's policies nodded there heads for their
Anti Christ just because someone said they were Obama's policies. So many uneducated voters it's sad.

Kind of curios here, where did you come up with that?

As for Marx, I only have a general understanding of his ideas, afraid a friend of mine would be the one to ask.
As far as I understand, he had some ideas that were good on paper.

It is all right here. Obama supporters were interviewed and asked questions around McCains policies as if they were coming form Obama.

The three posts prior need to not assciate Marx with Ussr but an idealoigy, a point of view that is not the foundation of the United States of
America. Anyone, Anyone who cliams to be an American citzen who voted for Obama should be ashamed of themselves today. You do not know the true
meaning of being an American. This is not a point of view or opinon it is fact.

Originally posted by djpaec
Why do people throw around this word Democracy? We are not a Democracy. Where in teh constitution does it say that. WE ARE A REPUBLIC.

But democracy is what makes us a Republic!

Democracy is a form of government in which the supreme power is held completely by the people under a free electoral system. It is derived from the
Greek δημοκρατία ([dimokratia] (help·info)), "popular government"[1] which was coined from δήμος (dēmos), "people" and
κράτος (kratos), "rule, strength" in the middle of the 5th-4th century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek
city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 508 BC.[2] In this form, there were no defined human rights or legal restraints upon the
actions of assembly, making it the first instance of "illiberal democracy."[3]

In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no
universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[4] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that
all members of the society have equal access to power and the second that all members enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties.[5][6][7]

There are several varieties of democracy some of which provide better representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.[8][9] However,
if any democracy is not carefully legislated to avoid an uneven distribution of political power with balances such as the separation of powers, then a
branch of the system of rule is able to accumulate power in a way that is harmful to democracy itself.[10][11][12] The "majority rule" is often
described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the
"tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively[13] and
procedurally[14]. Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed
and able to vote in their personal interests.[15][16]

Popular sovereignty is common but not a universal motivating philosophy for establishing a democracy. In some countries, democracy is based on the
philosophical principle of equal rights. Many people use the term "democracy" as shorthand for liberal democracy, which may include additional
elements such as political pluralism, equality before the law, the right to petition elected officials for redress of grievances, due process, civil
liberties, human rights, and elements of civil society outside the government. In the United States, separation of powers is often cited as a
supporting attribute, but in other countries, such as the United Kingdom, the dominant philosophy is parliamentary sovereignty (though in practice
judicial independence is generally maintained). In other cases, "democracy" is used to mean direct democracy. Though the term "democracy" is
typically used in the context of a political state, the principles are also applicable to private organizations and other groups.

Democracy has its origins in ancient Greece.[17][18] However other cultures have significantly contributed to the evolution of democracy such as the
American Indians ( Weatherford 1990) Ancient Rome[17], Europe[17], and North and South America.[19] Democracy has been called the "last form of
government" and has spread considerably across the globe.[20] Suffrage has been expanded in many jurisdictions over time from relatively narrow
groups (such as wealthy men of a particular ethnic group), but still remains a controversial issue with regard to disputed territories, areas with
significant immigration, and countries that exclude certain demographic groups.

Heh, that's a cool video about the voters, but did they do any where they interviewed people who were voting for McCain as a comparison?
And, only in America can three voters represent the majority.

At this point this if they did it vice versa does not matter. Voters between the ages of 19 and 27 were not sold on what was best for the United
States of America but more like a highschool prom King and Queen vote who was most populare.

Don't get me wrong i asked myself the saemquestion when i first saw this days ago but all in all what we have here is a result provided by a bunch of
kids who made the wrong choice again tonight as this generation does everynight they decide to have a few beers get in a car and then drive home.

Oh, it's not a fact. You don't have to be a Capitalist to be American. You do need, however, tolerance, and faith that in whatever direction the
country is going, it is going in that direction for a well enough reason. People aren't as mob-like and ignorant as you would like to believe. The
reason that the country actually goes in any particular direction, in regards to its social policies, its economy and its military aspirations, is
that there is a reasonable justification, one that can be found in the inner workings of Democracy itself. Democracy is like Smith's "Invisible
Hand". The decisions of any one population are only apparent because they are justified by a common and approved sentiment. As an American, you
should know how enthusiastic people get about politics. They really care. Their decisions aren't simply mob action. They're based on reason and the
pursuit of truth. You should be happy the majority of the country's citizens are intellectuals by nature, have at least read the Constitution, or
have been raised from such a young age in a cultural setting, emphasized by the importance of politics, and of the ideals of the freedom and
liberty.

Just because America is a Republic, doesn't mean it can't ascribe to Democratic principles. Democracy is the foundation of the Republic. You're
confusing a Direct Democracy form of governance to the general principle of Democracy, which America enthusiastically employs.

The Democracy vs Republic argument is pure semantics. Your post is useless and irrelevant information, which you thought would be so clever to perhaps
illicit a negative response. Anyone responding to you wouldn't even be technically responding because you actually didn't say anything in the first
place. THEN some one like me has to come along and clarify it. It's redundant. So is this very post. It shouldn't be said.

Wow. That's pretty insane. Are you alright? No wonder a third war is inevitable.

[edit on 4-11-2008 by cognoscente]

Well tonight pretty much sealed the deal on that.

Someone as inexperienced as Obama will do one of two things when the time comes to make a decision.

1. Over react gettiing everyone pissed off at us

2. Under react letting everyone know we can be bullied, becase we can talk things out.

Infact it does not even have to do with a decision Obama makes. America has cast the die. Now lets see how Isreal reacts towards Iran. Isreal is
backed into a corner and has a window of oppurtunity to strike before Obama is sworne in. The Usa will not condone their actions in a Obama admin.
Guess what happens then.... thats right Bush Marshall... law. For all those who casted your vote for Obama how would you feel if you just put Bush
into office for another ....well until he fricken feels like it.

In reality this may not happen but, hey you roled the dice because you were voting on an election you did not understand.

your post is so full of fear and anger, of judgement and assumptions. I see no insight from the heart, no reason or ration, and no judgements based
off of education or understanding. Stop. Breathe. Relax. The sun will still come up in the east tomorrow, the stars still shine in the sky. Yes,
one day, you will die...but today, smell the flowers. Breathe the fresh sweet air. Love someone. Have faith.

Originally posted by pexx421
your post is so full of fear and anger, of judgement and assumptions. I see no insight from the heart, no reason or ration, and no judgements based
off of education or understanding. Stop. Breathe. Relax. The sun will still come up in the east tomorrow, the stars still shine in the sky. Yes,
one day, you will die...but today, smell the flowers. Breathe the fresh sweet air. Love someone. Have faith.

I do not fear for myself but the sheep who follow the sheppard to the slaughter. I already know my Destiny and can see the Destiny of those who i care
so much about.

For this ATS is my discloser of who i'm and all i know. I do this not in an attempt to frighten anyone but to prepare. Yes i will in this thread give
exact things that will happen between time periods. I will proove myself to this community. Although some of my offerings will be contested after they
have occured i will speak the truth.

I'm no one special, i'm not a prophet but a mouth for someone or something higher. Even as i type this i know not what i'm going to say next. I
have visions of what is to come. I'm simply a messanger to those who will listen. To those who want to find peace in their hearts and for their
brothers and sisters.

My words are not be taken as a threat but a encouragment to look deeper inside yourselves and change your ways. As i mentioned before a die has been
cast. Hidden hand i now know why i'm here. The battle between the heavans and hell has begun. Protect yourselves! Meditate and feel the world dieing
around you. Feel the pain and fear and suffering. Listen to the cries in the night and screams of those who our decisions have grown fruits ripe on
the vine.

Look within your hearts and listen to your natural instenct. Do let the narrow minded stop you for hearing my words for if you were emant to hear this
there is a reason. You also have been spoken to. You know where we are heading and what is to come. There is now no stopping it but only time to
prepare your soul's from eternal pain and suffering.

Prayer is the answer. Not prayer to a God, Alha or a worldly creation but prayer as to the God that lives with in you. The god that is a part of every
man woman and child. Be true yourself for in these times the church has distorted the ture meaning of religon and the father. Evil has been cast down
upon the land to scourge the wicked and bring redemption to those souls who have sufferd an eternity.

Know that you are not alone and that others in this reality beyond your scopes of knowledge are watching your judgment take place so their scocieties
can learn for your errors.

Your traditional holidays are approaching. Before the star of David rises a biological attack will occur. Iran will be attacked by your Isreal and the
day after your idiol has been held aloft in his preperation your markets will fall below the mark of the beast. These will all be things freely for
you to be seen and will not be hidden by the media.

I give such previlations to the near future to show those who might be doubting what they are feeling the courage to believe what they are feeling
inside them.

Time is running out and there is no longer time for redemption only repentance. Clear your souls. Be one with the truth listen to the rains and winds
and all around you whispering the signs of what are to come.

What is going to happen now can not be changed but what can be changed is the position you place yourselves and your love ones after this passes.

Do not fear! Time for fear will come for those who do not bare witness when he comes.

I believe you should read more into Marx before ripping him. He wrote about the Communist Manifesto, however he did not believe it was the only way
to live life. It was the idea that all humanity would end up in that phase because it is only inevitable. Creative labor and free leisure is
Marxism, we have the machine work for us, nobody should own resources.

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