Your current newsreader will display any downloaded message. Given:
You do not unsubscribe to the newsgroup and/or catch it up.
Even then it still could.
You do not have any settings set to delete downloaded content. I
don't recall exactly how OE does things. So, this might not be an
option for the program, anyway.
Just to check, click on this newsgroup (already here if you are reading
this), then go up to the menu bar at the top of the window. There
should be a "View" option. Click on this and a "Current view" option
should be at the top of the next menu. You will want to select
the "Show all messages" after you are done with the following.
If you are reading this message, make sure that it is opened in its
own window. If you do not know how to do this, double click on the
message. Minimize the new window. This message should still be
highlighted in the main window. To make things simple, just "right
click" on this message and select the "Mark as unread" option.
Okay, the steps above are a bit redundant, but I have you do this to
keep you from losing your place.
If you still have this message open in its own window, continue to
ignore it.
In the main window a whole bunch of messages should be visible. If not,
reply to this message and await further instructions. By selecting
the "View" option and "Current view", then selecting "Show only unread"
or something to that effect, most of the messages should go away.
Assuming, of course, that you have read a majority of this group before
starting this.
Regardless, this message should still be unread. It is possible to
mark this message unread in that window I told you to ignore.
I only state this so that you may have a chance to change a setting
in the Tools --> Options ---> (select the read tab)Read menu. Uncheck
the "Mark all messages as read when leaving" or something box.
There is another setting just for newsgroups that I forget where it is
at, but it is an option to mark messages read after a specified amount
of time. Uncheck that as well, or up the quantity a bit.
There are other ways to modify how OE works, along with other programs,
but stick with OE until you learn how to move around and set things up.
It is always possible to hunt this thread down using (barf) google
groups, but I that is its own bunch of crap to deal with. Google
ruined Usenet.
On that note, good luck!

Thanks. I did some of the above -- I clicked on View, and my current
setting is set to Show All Messages. I usually click Mark All As Read (or
something like that) fairly often since I don't want to read every message
(especially the stupid "OT" ones, the political crap ones, and the sick
nonsense ones). I think maybe some of the rest of what you were suggesting
was to mark this thread (or a message in this thread) as Unread so I can
save it for the future, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't want to do that since
it would get undone by my "Mark All As Read" routine.
I do have my settings set to save all Sent messages, so I can go and find
old Sent messages there, I guess open them if needed, and send a Reply in
the future.
And, I do think that if I never "Reset" or "Catch Up" (or whatever it is
called), I probably end up keeping all of the old messages.

I am not going to be losing any sleep over the fact that the solder job
doesn't look pretty. They fixed it and it works, and no one will ever see
the solder job -- and the whole fix only cost 79 bucks.
I don't see how making the solder job look more pretty would result in it
lasting any longer. When looking at it in person, it is clear that it is
not a cold solder joint -- the solder did adhere completely to the metal,
and it looks like they built up extra solder to help support the joint to
help prevent it from cracking during installation etc.
Do you do this type of work for a living? I am not trying to be snide; I am
just curious about what your background and/or experience is that led you to
conclude that this was a "Piss poor job. Repeat failure is not a matter of
if, but of when."

I'm wondering if the radiator was manufactured with soft solder? I've
done a lot of soft solder work like plumbing lines but most of what I
did in the last decade was silver solder brazing on refrigeration
equipment. I even have some special solder that allows me to braze steel
to copper or aluminum or what ever the mix. Brazing is a lot stronger
than soft solder but if not done correctly, it can be brittle. One good
thing about a radiator shop is the fact that the shop will have a water
tank handy all the time for pressure testing to watch for air bubbles
when the repairman pressurizes the item and submerges it in the tank. I
must borrow a big garbage can and fill it with water. ^_^
TDD

Way back when I worked for NASA/FAA. From the photo alone the work would
not pass even basic visual QC muster.
Age old question why is there never time/interest in doing the job right but
always time to do it over.
Pretty is not the goal but pretty is usually (but not always) an indication
of properly.
Quick review some areas have too much heat = oxidation = weak joint, others
have too little = a cold junction both = subject to failure.
The base appears to be insuffently heated and poorly applied flux, Second
the junction metal over heated but not allowed to flow. I could tell more
if I have the finished work in hand.
If this is not a mission critical fix and.or is not in a place where failure
will cause damage you can get by. Just keep in mind you'll be doing the job
again.

Well, the convector is still working fine. No leaks, no problems.
Situation is solved, tenant is happy and has good heat; and I didn't have to
open the ceiling below, run new pipes up through the floor, buy and put in a
replacement cast iron radiator, buy or build and install a new or used
radiator cover to cover the new radiator, then repair and paint the ceiling
below.
No, I didn't send the newly-soldered convector into space on a manned or
unmanned spacecraft, so no "mission critical" QC testing was need or was
performed. The radiator repair place did pressure test the convector after
fixing it and it passed the test.
I see now where you are coming from. You worked on and in a mission
critical environment where every solder joint was part of a mega-million
dollar spacecraft where tons of money and/or people's lives were at stake.
My hot water heat convector is still here on earth and appears to be happy
and content. If the repair job fails sometime in the future, no lives will
be lost.

Okay, this is getting silly, but I'll play along. Where I come from is
where the property, the convector in question, and the leak in question is
located. And, since it already leaked once, I know what the cost of that
water leak at that location is -- virtually nil in this case.

There is plenty of time to do it "right", to do it over, or to do it as I
had it done. I am here, and you are someplace else. I can see what was
done and how it was done, and it's fine. In fact, it was done "right" --
not aerospace mission-critical right, but definitely here-on-Earth right for
the situation.

Learning what is an appropriate level of workmanship and quality control for
the job at hand is also not difficult.
I usually try to stay out of these types of discussions here, but I think
you may be being a little too judgmental about this. I do get that you are
just expressing your opinion and pointing out how you would have wanted to
handle this type of property owner repair.

With auto body repair, some shops use a fiberglass
mesh, with Bondo or other sealant. I've wondered if
a copper mesh can be put over leaks, fluxxed, and then
solder applied. Seems like the copper mesh would
provide some substance to the repair.

More heat. if the solder isn't sticking, the copper is either not
clean enough or not hot enoug - most often the latter if working with
a standard propane torch. A high swirl torch on propane, or better
yet, MAPP gas will produce the required heat - a normal old-school
bernzomatic straight flame torch on propane doesn't stand a chance.

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:
> But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
> book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
> and/or believe anything.

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