So maybe it's the first number. One of the last two things I wrote is correct. That's still a way higher average than you bring to the dish. Like a 6.0 would be ten times more powerful than a 5.0. Fuck off. My point stands.

I can walk around Boston for two straight days and 100% of the people I ask will know about the OSU story becaues Tressel and Pryor made it a huge story.

Maybe, maybe 40% of the general pop will know about the UNC story because Butch Davis is a nobody to the general pop and who cares about Robert Quinn?

And yes, the Yahoo quote was directly applied to these three stories so I would assume it relates to USC.

As for the outlier thing, seriously, ABORTIONS PAID FOR AND HIDDEN FROM FATHERS BY TOOLBOX is all I have to say.

This story is like taking The Program, putting it on steroids and giving the general public all the juicy details. There is a reason the NCAA investigators reportedly said that this is unlike anything ever beyond SMU.

So maybe it's the first number. One of the last two things I wrote is correct. That's still a way higher average than you bring to the dish. Like a 6.0 would be ten times more powerful than a 5.0. Fuck off. My point stands.

No I dont struggle with the word E0, come on man. I may be struggling to seperate the STORY from the actual information contained within the situation. Fair enough. Due to the size and speed of the media and social networking, it doesn't take much more than a big name to be a bigger "story" than the old scandals I guess. I'll wave the white flag on that one. I was arguing a different point ultimately it seems.

But as an aside E0, nobody really gives a fuck about the west coast. Ever.

I wonder how everyone could be giving you so much shit, what just because you wore an OSU hat or something?

The Tiger Woods story was probably a bigger "STORY" than fucking JFK getting shot in the head.

Yah, figured it out without that simplification, but thanks anyways. Save your simplifications for SD.

I just cannot wrap my head around what historical fuck ups has to do w/ Yahoo's quote about the size of Yahoo's story (and the fact that said story re: Tressel did go insanely large).

Also, let's face it, ESPN may suck at reporting shit but they are very good at spoonfeeding their audience shit that will sell and draw clicks (CLICK HERE FOR 500 FANTASY FOOTBALL PODS!!#$!).

I have no idea how arguing about the size of the OSU story makes any sense.

And The Gold Club incident going down in this era w/ abortions and all and featuring college and high school age peeps is about as outlier as outlier gets.

Christ E0, what the fuck are you talking about. Did you read the post, where I said, yah, I'm arguing a different point (story vs actual information and case comarison)and that I wave the white flag on that? Read it till you comprehend it.

e0y2e3 wrote:I can walk around Boston for two straight days and 100% of the people I ask will know about the OSU story becaues Tressel and Pryor made it a huge story.

Maybe, maybe 40% of the general pop will know about the UNC story because Butch Davis is a nobody to the general pop and who cares about Robert Quinn?

And yes, the Yahoo quote was directly applied to these three stories so I would assume it relates to USC.

As for the outlier thing, seriously, ABORTIONS PAID FOR AND HIDDEN FROM FATHERS BY TOOLBOX is all I have to say.

This story is like taking The Program, putting it on steroids and giving the general public all the juicy details. There is a reason the NCAA investigators reportedly said that this is unlike anything ever beyond SMU.

SD:

Cue the police Captain in Casablanca , as he blows his whistle for a raid while putting his winnings in his pocket.

I can't believe gambling has been going on in this establishment ......................

Sheesh what a none story , sensational in its detail , but played out on evry big name campus in the Country at some time or another.

The NCAA makes billions exploiting slave labor and now were supposed to be outraged to find out the guys who funnel it back to those players may not be the most reparable types .

Fucking "Slave labor". Implying they don't get a free education, healthcare, food, and housing. Yep that sounds just like a slave to me..... or lets not mention THEY MADE THE CHOICE to play football. Just like all other slaves throughout history had the choice.

If they don't like the benefits they get, be a regular student get an academic scholarship or pay for your education like everyone else.

The stupid shit you read from uneducated cunts on the internet never gets old...... well maybe sometimes.

I think when all is said and done in a year or two the OSU situation will rank about a "5" at most. Put aside the near-term media sensationalism, richter scale measurements, priest/didling/sweater-vest jokes and it's no where near an 8 out of 10 on any scale.

It's the incoming snow blizzard the night before which all the media outlets are hyping in order to get hits on their websites and viewers to watch their news. It's 30-40% real content and 60-70% hype and excess. There were real issues for sure but minor compared to the biggest NCAA scandals.

If SMU is the historic baseline, worst offender "10" calling OSU an 8 is over the top. Too soon to see where the "U" slots into this.

As a writer that gets paid for what the dig up Tressel's story was HUGE.

As something that is going to leave a mark on the history of college football it will end up a sad footnote in OSU's history.

You really can't say "THAT WON'T BE BIG IN A YEAR OR TWO SO IT WASN'T A BIG STORY!!!!"

Christ, the fucking Tiger Woods story ate our souls for 9 months on every single media platform. Now he's basically an afterthough. Doesn't make the actually story any less of a big SCOOOOP for the asshats that punished us by bringing it out.

I really don't understand how anyone can't get this effin concept. It's one of the simplest things ever.

Remember this entire argument is about fucking Yahoo calling the story an eight. IT WAS AN EIGHT, THAT IS PRETTY EFFING CLEAR yet you guys keep bringing up BUT NEXT YEAR!$!!

I don't know how you quantify it on a 1-10 scale but legacy program with legacy coach getting caught with hand in cookie jar leading to legacy, national championship winning coach resigning in disgrace is a very, very big story.

Happens to hoops team, nowhere near that big. Happens to Tressel and the football team, huge story.

I think some continue to confuse the offenses and transgressions with the story. Tats and $100 handshakes, not a big offense. 'Bastion of Integrity' lying about it? Big offense and huge story.

'The U' is about to redefine 'Offenses and Transgressions'. But still may not be as big a story IMO because they have been and continue to be largely irrelevant in terms of their presence.

Damn EO, for someone who can write some entertaining posts and even informative NBA posts you are one petulant SOB. Try some decaf.

I personally am not overly moved by the OSU situation since the underlying player violations though stupid and anoying aren't SMU, FAB5 or "U" level violations. For those of you who say the "story" and saliant issue is Tresel's attempted cover-up fine. But come'on put in the context of those player violations what would 90% of the NCAA coaches have done in the same situation? I think they would have done something similar. Doesn't make the action right but it certainly adds some perspective to the situation.

If the players underlying violations were more substantial and the coach tried to cover them up I would certaily be more outraged and the story would be more impactful to me. Hell, before this broke I didn't even know that a player trading things like championship rings for tatoes was an NCAA violation. Particularly in light of what I saw a friend of mine who played for Michigan in the 80's received in terms of "benefits".

I still don't see how you can't see how "story" and time are linked. Hell, the "story" is already history and the magnitude has certainly declined in the recent day just due to the "U". In 12 months the impact of the story will be even lower. The fade on this has already started.

^ Wetzel with a kick to the NCAA's jugular to follow up all of his team's work.

But Julie Roe Lach, the N.C.A.A.’s vice president for enforcement, said in an interview Wednesday that there had been little discussion about reviving harsh penalties like television bans or the so-called death penalty, two punishments once used by the N.C.A.A. that have long been shelved.

“There isn’t a public outcry to do something about a system that is so terribly broken,” said J. Brent Clark, a former N.C.A.A. investigator who is now a lawyer in Oklahoma City. “The game is too popular and the money is too big.”

One veteran compliance official, who requested anonymity because he was not permitted to speak publicly about Miami’s case, said that if the N.C.A.A. upheld the findings in the Yahoo report, it would be the most significant case he had seen. He said the most critical element of the report was that it appeared that coaches and administrators were aware of what Shapiro was doing and did nothing about it.

No doubt, but everytime you get the eyes like an OSU or UM story turning those eyes to the truth doesn't hurt.

My favorite moment surfing before bed last night was when the NY Times dropped that article where the NCAA strongly hinted at the death penalty and TV bans being dead I checked ESPN.com and Forde had an article stating that the death penalty was possible on the main front page thingy.

Forde is a fucking idiot.I mean he has been for a long time.I dont even remember when I put him as a "least favorite player" but it was just for his articles being gigantic wastes of people's lives.His comments and "articles" on all this summers topics have tattooed the "I don't get it"directly on his forehead for all to see.

JCoz wrote:Forde is a fucking idiot.I mean he has been for a long time.I dont even remember when I put him as a "least favorite player" but it was just for his articles being gigantic wastes of people's lives.His comments and "articles" on all this summers topics have tattooed the "I don't get it"directly on his forehead for all to see.

I'm like you. My main objection to Forde (and it hasnt' changed since the OSU stuff) is that he's not particularly insightful and he can't write for shit. The next interesting thing that he writes will be the first. How that dude got his gig is beyond me.

JCoz wrote:Forde is a fucking idiot.I mean he has been for a long time.I dont even remember when I put him as a "least favorite player" but it was just for his articles being gigantic wastes of people's lives.His comments and "articles" on all this summers topics have tattooed the "I don't get it"directly on his forehead for all to see.

I'm like you. My main objection to Forde (and it hasnt' changed since the OSU stuff) is that he's not particularly insightful and he can't write for shit. The next interesting thing that he writes will be the first. How that dude got his gig is beyond me.

He was on 97.1 The Fan last night, and I swear to god he said "what WE uncovered" in relation to the Miami story. I almost ripped the radio out of my truck.

He's said similar things about the OSU story when it was going full bore. Yet he never printed a retraction for being 100% wrong about the NCAA letter.

The NCAA should throw out the rule book, and create a streamlined deal. It shouldn't take a fucking advanced degree to determine what is right and wrong. Keep it simple, 10 commandments simple...

Establish baselines for what is acceptable in terms of compliance for athletic departments - this includes number of staff, duties, responsibilities, expectations for what you should know.

Penalties are are clearly spelled out - if you eff up this is what happens:

Players caught breaking the rules - gone, zero justice, kicked out of school. Sucks for you and I feel bad if you had no money coming in, but that isn't the schools problem. This is the deal you signed up for, if you didnt want to accept the terms, do something else.

Schools do not get punished if players eff up...they ONLY get punished if players eff up and it is shown they either didn't have the correct compliance staff they should have OR the compliance staff reasonably should have known this was going on. Obviously grey area here as to what the "should" have known, so this is why there needs to be serious deliberation about what the standards for compliance are...

School penalties are swift and painful - it all comes down to money. First time offenders get hit with $10 million fine (I dont know the number, I made that up - if it needs to be $20 million or some percentage of revenue to athletic department to make Ohio State and UT Chattanooga somewhat equal then fine make it that). Second penalty doubles., Third penalty triples...and so on.

Apply the same monetary penalty (figure out the scale) to individuals - Tressel would get a some multi million dollar fine...if it is determined the school should have known, the individual fines cycle down through the compliance department to those who should have known.

Make it all about the money and and give incentives...or disincentives...