As long as the CBA talks continue I see no Luongo deal. Until the CBA gets done whats the rush? The new CBA could change the cap or salaries or a variety of things. So unless a deal is close now I doubt it gets done until there is CBA certainty and teams can assess things like cap space and roster needs. Maybe there comes a buy out window and if there is one then teams out of the running may suddenly be in the running. I just think that as time passes it makes more sense for a deal to be done once the CBA is done.

If MG can lock up Burrows and Edler and land Doan it also changes the landscape for us with respect to needs moving forward.

Of course now that I have said all this a deal will get done within the next week. Like cigarettes and buses.

RoyalDude wrote:Tallon is not trading Gudbranson, especially to the team that just took Garrison from him. How many more defenseman is Tallon willing to lose? Ain't happenin'.

Cool story bro....

Didn't you hear Marian Gaborik bought a house here and plans on playing here ....... ?

Oh yeah ........

How the hell is that a story Blobby WildCat Beers? That's no story that is just me thinking with common sense. Tallon loses Garrison to us, has he replaced Garrison yet? Maybe he has, not sure, can't remember whom the Panthers signed this off-season, but that being said, I think it's safe to assume that Garrison was big part of that back end in FLA. So I think it would be safe to assume that losing another important defenseman in Gudbranson is a pretty easy guesstimate for me or anybody with brains in thinking that 'WE AIN'T GETTING HIM FOR LUONGO' That would be two big loses on their back end, Blobby. I just don't see Tallon catering to Gillis needs especially after losing out on a bidding war to Gillis for Garrison.

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate

RoyalDude wrote:Tallon is not trading Gudbranson, especially to the team that just took Garrison from him. How many more defenseman is Tallon willing to lose? Ain't happenin'.

Cool story bro....

Didn't you hear Marian Gaborik bought a house here and plans on playing here ....... ?

Oh yeah ........

How the hell is that a story Blobby WildCat Beers? That's no story that is just me thinking with common sense. Tallon loses Garrison to us, has he replaced Garrison yet? Maybe he has, not sure, can't remember whom the Panthers signed this off-season, but that being said, I think it's safe to assume that Garrison was big part of that back end in FLA. So I think it would be safe to assume that losing another important defenseman in Gudbranson is a pretty easy guesstimate for me or anybody with brains in thinking that 'WE AIN'T GETTING HIM FOR LUONGO' That would be two big loses on their back end, Blobby. I just don't see Tallon catering to Gillis needs especially after losing out on a bidding war to Gillis for Garrison.

Not too long ago, you just said that Tallon did not care to re-sign Garrison. All of a sudden, he was a big part of their back end?

2 year deal. First year is a 2-way contract worth $650K/85K (NHL/AHL) and the second year is a 1-way contract worth $850K.

Seems like they aren't taking any chances where Luongo is concerned, and ensuring that Lack is on a 2-way deal for the "upcoming" season, I think that could be a sign that the market for Bobby Lou is not as hot as Gillis is trying to sell it as.

We're gonna start our next campaign with almost $10M tied up in the crease.

RoyalDude wrote:Tallon is not trading Gudbranson, especially to the team that just took Garrison from him. How many more defenseman is Tallon willing to lose? Ain't happenin'.

It's a good point that Tallon lost a big piece on their back end this summer (Garrison), but the Canucks didn't take him away. He was a free agent - he could sign where he wanted. They signed Kuba in hopes of replacing him. But they also lost an important forward in Samuelsson. So any way you look at it, they lost key pieces throughout their roster this summer.

Raccoon wrote:I'm not sure why Tallon, or anyone in the Panthers org, would release info regarding their players. You start releasing names of your own players in potential trades - things are bound to get ugly (see Bobby Ryan). Tallon and Gillis have done business in the past, none of those trade details have been leaked beforehand. Allen could be right, or he could be making an educated guess. Wouldn't be the first time these 'hockey insiders' have done so.

The Bobby Ryan situation is completely different because it was the Ducks themselves that reportedly shopped Ryan around. For Tallon and the Panthers organization, they have very little to lose in releasing names of players they are reportedly unwilling to package in a deal for Luongo. If the players don't get traded then Tallon sends the message that they like them enough to not part with them, and if they do get traded well then it isn't their problem.

You make a good point about Tallon and Gillis having done business in the past and little to none of the trade details were leaked beforehand, but there are media guys that some GMs talk to and a quid pro quo scenario is likely unavoidable. I guess this situation is different than past dealings between the two GMs in the sense that it's no secret that Luongo is being shopped around and that the Panthers are interested. The way I see it, there's very little to lose in saying the Canucks have asked for Bjustad (good for him) and Tallon is not willing to part with him (good for him).

Raccoon wrote:I'm not sure why Tallon, or anyone in the Panthers org, would release info regarding their players. You start releasing names of your own players in potential trades - things are bound to get ugly (see Bobby Ryan). Tallon and Gillis have done business in the past, none of those trade details have been leaked beforehand. Allen could be right, or he could be making an educated guess. Wouldn't be the first time these 'hockey insiders' have done so.

The Bobby Ryan situation is completely different because it was the Ducks themselves that reportedly shopped Ryan around. For Tallon and the Panthers organization, they have very little to lose in releasing names of players they are reportedly unwilling to package in a deal for Luongo. If the players don't get traded then Tallon sends the message that they like them enough to not part with them, and if they do get traded well then it isn't their problem.

You make a good point about Tallon and Gillis having done business in the past and little to none of the trade details were leaked beforehand, but there are media guys that some GMs talk to and a quid pro quo scenario is likely unavoidable. I guess this situation is different than past dealings between the two GMs in the sense that it's no secret that Luongo is being shopped around and that the Panthers are interested. The way I see it, there's very little to lose in saying the Canucks have asked for Bjugstad (good for him) and Tallon is not willing to part with him (good for him).

The Ryan situation is the same. The basic premise is - Bobby Ryan was upset that his name kept coming up in trade rumors. Whether that was a result of the Ducks shopping him, or other teams inquiring about him - we don't know. Either way his name was out there and it put him on edge. Now Bjugstads name is out there. How will he feel about these rumors considering he's never even played a game for the Panthers. Gillis has said many times he likes to conduct trades under the radar because players are people and they have families that are affected by the rumors.

The Luongo situation is different, like you said, in the sense it's widely known that Luongos available (or potentially available). But it doesn't change the fact that there are so many reasons why Tallon wouldn't leak his own players name to the media. There's potentially a lot to lose. The 'potential' of alienating 'player X who's tied to rumors' is high. The potential of hurting your own negotiating power with other team is high. The potential of sending your fanbase into a frenzy is high. These are risks a negotiator (Tallon) would never intentionally put themselves in. My best guess is that they came from someone other than Tallon. And if that's the case, how credible are they? These hockey insiders don't have to cite their sources. And guys like Dreger have been so offbase with their Luongo coverage that I really don't believe any of them are getting any real info.

2 year deal. First year is a 2-way contract worth $650K/85K (NHL/AHL) and the second year is a 1-way contract worth $850K.

Seems like they aren't taking any chances where Luongo is concerned, and ensuring that Lack is on a 2-way deal for the "upcoming" season, I think that could be a sign that the market for Bobby Lou is not as hot as Gillis is trying to sell it as.

We're gonna start our next campaign with almost $10M tied up in the crease.

Lack's deal has nothing to do with Luongo. It only means we tie up our AHL goalie prospect for 2 more years. 1-way vs 2-way deals only affect how much money a player makes. Lack's group obviously felt he was worth NHL money in year 2, and the Canucks are fine paying him that to play either here or in the AHL. I don't see how it immediately affects the Canucks and Luongo.

2 year deal. First year is a 2-way contract worth $650K/85K (NHL/AHL) and the second year is a 1-way contract worth $850K.

Seems like they aren't taking any chances where Luongo is concerned, and ensuring that Lack is on a 2-way deal for the "upcoming" season, I think that could be a sign that the market for Bobby Lou is not as hot as Gillis is trying to sell it as.

We're gonna start our next campaign with almost $10M tied up in the crease.

My guess is that they were still able to have next season as a 2-way, with no waiver restrictions, but the following year, he'd be waiver eligible, so he's one way that year.

2 year deal. First year is a 2-way contract worth $650K/85K (NHL/AHL) and the second year is a 1-way contract worth $850K.

Seems like they aren't taking any chances where Luongo is concerned, and ensuring that Lack is on a 2-way deal for the "upcoming" season, I think that could be a sign that the market for Bobby Lou is not as hot as Gillis is trying to sell it as.

We're gonna start our next campaign with almost $10M tied up in the crease.

My guess is that they were still able to have next season as a 2-way, with no waiver restrictions, but the following year, he'd be waiver eligible, so he's one way that year.

Waivers have nothing to do with 1/2-way contracts. It's all based on games played. The difference is he will make 850K in year two regardless of which league he plays in.

I see this as a sign that the Canucks have no plans for him to backup Schneider this season. If they thought he'd be in the NHL post-training camp, they wouldn't have bothered with a two-way deal.

2 year deal. First year is a 2-way contract worth $650K/85K (NHL/AHL) and the second year is a 1-way contract worth $850K.

Seems like they aren't taking any chances where Luongo is concerned, and ensuring that Lack is on a 2-way deal for the "upcoming" season, I think that could be a sign that the market for Bobby Lou is not as hot as Gillis is trying to sell it as.

We're gonna start our next campaign with almost $10M tied up in the crease.

My guess is that they were still able to have next season as a 2-way, with no waiver restrictions, but the following year, he'd be waiver eligible, so he's one way that year.

Waivers have nothing to do with 1/2-way contracts. It's all based on games played. The difference is he will make 850K in year two regardless of which league he plays in.

I see this as a sign that the Canucks have no plans for him to backup Schneider this season. If they thought he'd be in the NHL post-training camp, they wouldn't have bothered with a two-way deal.