History TearJerker / StarOceanTheSecondStory

** And if you're playing Claude's scenario? Well sure, he found Leon, but on realizing that his parents were nowhere to be found, this is the first time his otherwise stuck-up haughty attitude completely shatters, and he starts bawling, smashing his fist to the ground and starts wishing that he should've just died, that [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan Claude had to slap him to just have him calm down]].

* This is one of the saddest games ever - and unlike other types of TearJerker or NightmareFuel, it doesn't feed it to you - it makes you ''imagine'' just what happened. So consider some of the events of the game:** One of the first towns you get to is promptly destroyed by a tidal wave. Before this happened, you introduce a LonelyRichKid to some neighbourhood kids and teach him to be friends with them. Awww.... but not long after he makes friends with them, the town is destroyed by a tsunami. While he survives, you notice that one of the kids is missing along with most of the town in general, who had almost no warning that there was a tidal wave coming their way. If they weren't crushed by wreckage they were swept out to sea with pretty much no hope of rescue.** Consider Opera and Ernest's situation - like Claude they're not from Expel and are stuck on an underdeveloped planet. If it weren't for Claude, they would have ''no hope'' of getting out short of stumbling across Precis. If you recruit only Opera, then she has to live with the knowledge that Ernest is ''dead'', and she doesn't know that he can be revived. It's possible or both of them to leave you - meaning they both die. Of course, since they don't mention this little detail if they leave together, it's possible that Ernest's ship is at least repairable.** Leon's parents are implied dead because they NeverFoundTheBody. If Claude tells him to wait at the village? Then Leon dies too. If Rena is your main character? Then Leon possibly is lost because they NeverFoundTheBody. (Granted, canonically he survives, but so do all the playable characters.) Fortunately, they show up in Leon's solo ending.** Is your main character Claude? Then Dias dies.*** Subverted when [[spoiler: Planet Expel is brought back.]]** Consider this for all your Expellian characters: When they get the news that Expel is gone and that there may possibly be no way to ever get back, think of what it means for them: Celine, Precis, and Bowman's families are dead. And Bowman was married, while Precis is 16. Leon meanwhile is only twelve when he goes through this. Dias may be able to endure because he is TheStoic and he already lost his entire family anyway, but consider that he also has nightmares...

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* This is one of the saddest games ever - and unlike other types of TearJerker or NightmareFuel, it doesn't feed it to you - it makes you ''imagine'' just what happened. So consider some of the events of the game:** One of the first towns you get to is promptly destroyed by a tidal wave. Before this happened, you introduce a LonelyRichKid to some neighbourhood neighborhood kids and teach him to be friends with them. Awww.... but not Not long after he makes friends with them, the town is destroyed by a tsunami. While he survives, you notice that one of the kids is missing along with most of the town in general, who had almost no warning that there was a tidal wave coming their way. If they weren't crushed by wreckage they were swept out to sea with pretty much no hope of rescue.** Consider * Opera and Ernest's situation - like Claude Claude, they're not from Expel and are stuck on an underdeveloped planet. If it weren't for Claude, they would have ''no hope'' of getting out short of stumbling across Precis. If you recruit only Opera, then she has to live with the knowledge that Ernest is ''dead'', and she doesn't know that he can be revived. It's possible or If you miss out on both of them to leave you - meaning them, then they both die. Of course, since they don't mention this little detail if they leave together, it's possible that Ernest's ship is at least repairable.** die when [[spoiler:Expel blows up]].* Leon's parents are implied dead because they NeverFoundTheBody. If Claude tells him to wait at the village? Then Leon dies too. If Rena is your main character? Then Leon possibly is lost because they NeverFoundTheBody. (Granted, canonically he survives, but so do all the playable characters.) Fortunately, they show up in Leon's solo ending.** * Is your main character Claude? Then Dias dies.*** Subverted when [[spoiler: Planet Expel is brought back.]]** * Consider this for all your Expellian characters: When they get the news that Expel is gone and that there may possibly be no way to ever get back, think of what it means for them: Celine, Precis, and Bowman's families are dead. And Bowman was married, while Precis is 16. Leon meanwhile is only twelve when he goes through this. Dias may be able to endure because he is TheStoic and he already lost his entire family anyway, but consider that he also has nightmares...

** At the end of the game, [[spoiler: Nede performs a HeroicSacrifice]]. There is no way to [[spoiler: evacuate the citizens. Only the eight who fight the ten wise men survive... among them can be as little as ''two'' Nedians, Rena and whoever you recruited. They say in the ending that "You will be the last of the Nedians", and Chisato and/or Noel look sad and say "Yes." Did you get Welch, by the way? Then there will only be two potential survivors. So there is once again an InferredHolocaust... and there are potentially ''millions'' of Nedians who will give up their lives... It's fully possible they ''knew'' this... but what if they ''didn't''? That doesn't make it any less disturbing.]]*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]** Oh, you know Chisato and Noel? What happens if you have seven characters by the time you get to Nede? (eg, did you recruit Welch?) Then [[spoiler: There will only be ''two'' Nedians who survived the destruction of the homeworld... if that second one is Chisato, then the Nedian race will go extinct. There was one man who you could have saved too... and the last thing you told him to do was "Take care of the animals." Even if Noel survives... the only way for the race to make it to another generation is for him and Rena or Chisato to hook up. Which might actually not happen since Rena can easily hook up with Claude, and canonically does according to the obscure sequel. And if you know genetics? All this does is delay the inevitable unless there is a way to reintroduce genetic diversity. Indeed, [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime four-hundred years later]] it's all but spelled out that Noel and Chisato's descendants have been absorbed into the Expellian race. The player even meets one who is very obviously directly descended from Noel.]]*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]** [[spoiler:Worse: If you recruited the Opera + Ernest duo AND Welch? Take all those, and make it that Rena is the SoleSurvivor of the whole Nedian race.]]** Aww how cute, you saved the last wild Psynard... and it was even a mommy, too. So cute. [[spoiler: ...too bad it won't survive the game. Meaning that alongside all the other wildlife of Nede? It's extinct.]] ** So after reading the above spoilers, you would be correct... [[spoiler: Literally ''every single living thing you meet dies'', save for the six you recruit. And roughly half of the people you meet will be KilledOffForReal.]] ** Even then the game throws some on-screen tear jerkers at you, see PlayerPunch.*** The implications of the above are heavily implied as well.* Then, of course, there's the whole story behind [[spoiler: the Ten Wise Men and their reason for being in this state in the first place, providing with some SympathyForTheDevil (maybe except Cyril). They were created to surpress rebel forces that were rising up against the Nedians when they ruled the universe as a military dictatorship. Then when their creator's daughter died, the military tried to ''hide'' that information. Lantis eventually found out and was DrivenToMadness, reprogramming the Wise Men to ''annihilate the universe''. When that failed, Lantis was DrivenToSuicide after sealing his cyborg weapons for 4 billion years and transferring his personality and that of his daughter to Indalecio and a Filia clone. And their damage did so much to Nedians, they were forced to take refuge in an energy mass and completely erase the history of the whole disaster. Reading all of that, you really have to give some pity for such villains.]]* The death of [[spoiler:Ronyx, one of the more amiable characters in the first game. Just to be a dick, Indalecio/Gabriel decided to test-fire the Wise Men's main cannon to Calnus all while the party watched. Slowly, little by little, Calnus' shield starts to dissipate, and from each fire, Indalecio/Gabriel orders the cannon power to be increased. Claude couldn't do anything as Calnus was on the last lines of defense, and he ended up begging the Wise Men to stop. Again, Indalecio/Gabriel didn't even flinch and orders yet another empowered shot, which wiped out Calnus AND Ronyx inside... ''all while Claude watched''. As far as Claude's concerned, ThisIsUnforgivable... unfortunately just when he and the party are about to deliver vengeance, they got wiped out by Marsilio/Zaphkiel because they don't have the correct weapon material. In the moment of retreat thanks to the sacrifice of another friend, that feeling really really sucked for Claude...]]

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** * At the end of the game, [[spoiler: Nede performs a HeroicSacrifice]]. There is no way to [[spoiler: evacuate the citizens. Only the eight who fight the ten wise men survive... among them can be as little as ''two'' Nedians, Rena and whoever you recruited. They say in the ending that "You will be the last of the Nedians", and Chisato and/or Noel look sad and say "Yes." Did you get Welch, by the way? Then there will only be two potential survivors. So there is once again an InferredHolocaust... and there are potentially ''millions'' of Nedians who will give up their lives... It's fully possible they ''knew'' this... but what if they ''didn't''? That doesn't make it any less disturbing.]]*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]** * Oh, you know Chisato and Noel? What happens if you have seven characters by the time you get to Nede? (eg, did you recruit Welch?) Then [[spoiler: There will only be ''two'' Nedians who survived the destruction of the homeworld... if that second one is Chisato, then the Nedian race will go extinct. There was one man who you could have saved too... and the last thing you told him to do was "Take care of the animals." Even if Noel survives... the only way for the race to make it to another generation is for him and Rena or Chisato to hook up. Which might actually not happen since Rena can easily hook up with Claude, and canonically does according to the obscure sequel. And if you know genetics? All this does is delay the inevitable unless there is a way to reintroduce genetic diversity. Indeed, [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime four-hundred years later]] it's all but spelled out that Noel and Chisato's descendants have been absorbed into the Expellian race. The player even meets one who is very obviously directly descended from Noel.]]*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]** [[spoiler:Worse: If you recruited the Opera + Ernest duo AND Welch? Take all those, and make it that Rena is the SoleSurvivor of the whole Nedian race.]]** * Aww how cute, you saved the last wild Psynard... and it was even a mommy, too. So cute. [[spoiler: ...too bad it won't survive the game. Meaning that alongside all the other wildlife of Nede? It's extinct.]] ** So after reading the above spoilers, you would be correct... * [[spoiler: Literally ''every single living thing you meet dies'', save for the six those you recruit. And roughly half of the people you meet will be KilledOffForReal.]] ** Even then the game throws some on-screen tear jerkers at you, see PlayerPunch.*** The implications of the above are heavily implied as well.* Then, of course, there's the whole story behind [[spoiler: the Ten Wise Men and their reason for being in this state in the first place, providing with some SympathyForTheDevil (maybe except Cyril). They were created to surpress rebel forces that were rising up against the Nedians when they ruled the universe as a military dictatorship. Then when their creator's daughter died, the military tried to ''hide'' that information. Lantis eventually found out and was DrivenToMadness, reprogramming the Wise Men to ''annihilate the universe''. When that failed, Lantis was DrivenToSuicide after sealing his cyborg weapons for 4 billion years and transferring his personality and that of his daughter to Indalecio and a Filia clone. And their damage did so much to Nedians, the Nedians that they were forced to take refuge in an energy mass and completely erase the history of the whole disaster. Reading all of that, you really have to give some pity for such villains.disaster.]]* The death of [[spoiler:Ronyx, one of the more amiable characters in the first game. Just to be a dick, Indalecio/Gabriel decided to test-fire the Wise Men's main cannon to Calnus all while the party watched. Slowly, little by little, Calnus' shield starts to dissipate, and from each fire, Indalecio/Gabriel orders the cannon power to be increased. Claude couldn't do anything as Calnus was on the last lines of defense, and he ended up begging the Wise Men to stop. Again, Indalecio/Gabriel didn't even flinch and orders yet another empowered shot, which wiped out Calnus AND Ronyx inside... ''all while Claude watched''. As far as Claude's concerned, ThisIsUnforgivable... unfortunately just when he and the party are about to deliver vengeance, they got wiped out by Marsilio/Zaphkiel because they don't have the correct weapon material. In the moment of retreat thanks to the sacrifice of another friend, that feeling really really sucked for Claude...]]]]----

* Then, of course, there's the whole story behind [[spoiler: the Ten Wise Men and their reason for being in this state in the first place, providing with some SympathyForTheDevil (maybe except Cyril). They were created to surpress rebel forces that were rising up against the Nedians when they ruled the universe as a military dictatorship. Then when their creator's daughter died, the military tried to ''hide'' that information. Lantis eventually found out and was DrivenToMadness, reprogramming the Wise Men to ''annihilate the universe''. When that failed, Lantis was DrivenToSuicide after sealing his cyborg weapons for 4 billion years and transferring his personality and that of his daughter to Indalecio and a Filia clone. And their damage did so much to Nedians, they were forced to take refuge in an energy mass and completely erase the history of the whole disaster. Reading all of that, you really have to give some pity for such villains.]]

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* Then, of course, there's the whole story behind [[spoiler: the Ten Wise Men and their reason for being in this state in the first place, providing with some SympathyForTheDevil (maybe except Cyril). They were created to surpress rebel forces that were rising up against the Nedians when they ruled the universe as a military dictatorship. Then when their creator's daughter died, the military tried to ''hide'' that information. Lantis eventually found out and was DrivenToMadness, reprogramming the Wise Men to ''annihilate the universe''. When that failed, Lantis was DrivenToSuicide after sealing his cyborg weapons for 4 billion years and transferring his personality and that of his daughter to Indalecio and a Filia clone. And their damage did so much to Nedians, they were forced to take refuge in an energy mass and completely erase the history of the whole disaster. Reading all of that, you really have to give some pity for such villains.]]* The death of [[spoiler:Ronyx, one of the more amiable characters in the first game. Just to be a dick, Indalecio/Gabriel decided to test-fire the Wise Men's main cannon to Calnus all while the party watched. Slowly, little by little, Calnus' shield starts to dissipate, and from each fire, Indalecio/Gabriel orders the cannon power to be increased. Claude couldn't do anything as Calnus was on the last lines of defense, and he ended up begging the Wise Men to stop. Again, Indalecio/Gabriel didn't even flinch and orders yet another empowered shot, which wiped out Calnus AND Ronyx inside... ''all while Claude watched''. As far as Claude's concerned, ThisIsUnforgivable... unfortunately just when he and the party are about to deliver vengeance, they got wiped out by Marsilio/Zaphkiel because they don't have the correct weapon material. In the moment of retreat thanks to the sacrifice of another friend, that feeling really really sucked for Claude...]]

** At the end of the game, [[spoiler: Nede performs a HeroicSacrifice]]. There is no way to [[spoiler: evacuate the citizens. Only the eight who fight the ten wise men survive... among them can be as little as ''two'' Nedians, Rena and whoever you recruited. They say in the ending that "You will be the last of the Nedians", and Chisato and/or Noel look sad and say "Yes." Did you get Welch, by the way? Then there will only be two potential survivors. So there is once again an InferredHolocaust... and there are potentially ''millions'' of Nedians who will give up their lives... It's fully possible they ''knew'' this... but what if they ''didn't''? That doesn't make it any less disturbing.]]

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** At the end of the game, [[spoiler: Nede performs a HeroicSacrifice]]. There is no way to [[spoiler: evacuate the citizens. Only the eight who fight the ten wise men survive... among them can be as little as ''two'' Nedians, Rena and whoever you recruited. They say in the ending that "You will be the last of the Nedians", and Chisato and/or Noel look sad and say "Yes." Did you get Welch, by the way? Then there will only be two potential survivors. So there is once again an InferredHolocaust... and there are potentially ''millions'' of Nedians who will give up their lives... It's fully possible they ''knew'' this... but what if they ''didn't''? That doesn't make it any less disturbing.]] ]]*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Depending on who you recruited, both Chisato and Noel will live, for instance, only having Claude and Rena which will make the game very difficult or at least having a party consisting of Claude, Rena, Celine, Precis, Welch, Dias, Chisato and Noel for example.]]

** Consider Opera and Ernest's situation - like Claude they're not from Expel and are stuck on an underdeveloped planet. If it weren't for Claude, they would have ''no hope'' of getting out short of stumbling across Precis. If you recruit only Opera, then she has to live with the knowledge that Ernest is ''dead'', and she doesn't know that he can be revived. It's possible or both of them to leave you - meaning they both die.** Leon's parents are implied dead because they NeverFoundTheBody. If Claude tells him to wait at the village? Then Leon dies too. If Reina is your main character? Then Leon possibly is lost because they NeverFoundTheBody. (Granted, canonically he survives, but so do all the playable characters.)

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** Consider Opera and Ernest's situation - like Claude they're not from Expel and are stuck on an underdeveloped planet. If it weren't for Claude, they would have ''no hope'' of getting out short of stumbling across Precis. If you recruit only Opera, then she has to live with the knowledge that Ernest is ''dead'', and she doesn't know that he can be revived. It's possible or both of them to leave you - meaning they both die.die. Of course, since they don't mention this little detail if they leave together, it's possible that Ernest's ship is at least repairable.** Leon's parents are implied dead because they NeverFoundTheBody. If Claude tells him to wait at the village? Then Leon dies too. If Reina Rena is your main character? Then Leon possibly is lost because they NeverFoundTheBody. (Granted, canonically he survives, but so do all the playable characters.) Fortunately, they show up in Leon's solo ending.

** Consider this for all your Expellian characters: When they get the news that Expel is gone and that there may possibly be no way to ever get back, think of what it means for them: Celine, Precis, and Bowman's families are dead. And Bowman was married, while Precis is 16. Leon meanwhile is only twelve when he goes through this. Dias may be able to endure because he is TheStoic, but consider that he also has nightmares...

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** Consider this for all your Expellian characters: When they get the news that Expel is gone and that there may possibly be no way to ever get back, think of what it means for them: Celine, Precis, and Bowman's families are dead. And Bowman was married, while Precis is 16. Leon meanwhile is only twelve when he goes through this. Dias may be able to endure because he is TheStoic, TheStoic and he already lost his entire family anyway, but consider that he also has nightmares...

** Oh, you know Chisato and Noel? What happens if you have seven characters by the time you get to Nede? (eg, did you recruit Welch?) Then [[spoiler: There will only be ''two'' Nedians who survived the destruction of the homeworld... if that second one is Chisato, then the Nedian race will go extinct. There was one man who you could have saved too... and the last thing you told him to do was "Take care of the animals." Even if Noel survives... the only way for the race to make it to another generation is for him and Reina or Chisato to hook up. Which might actually not happen since Rena can easily hook up with Claude. And if you know genetics? All this does is delay the inevitable unless there is a way to reintroduce genetic diversity.]]

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** Oh, you know Chisato and Noel? What happens if you have seven characters by the time you get to Nede? (eg, did you recruit Welch?) Then [[spoiler: There will only be ''two'' Nedians who survived the destruction of the homeworld... if that second one is Chisato, then the Nedian race will go extinct. There was one man who you could have saved too... and the last thing you told him to do was "Take care of the animals." Even if Noel survives... the only way for the race to make it to another generation is for him and Reina Rena or Chisato to hook up. Which might actually not happen since Rena can easily hook up with Claude.Claude, and canonically does according to the obscure sequel. And if you know genetics? All this does is delay the inevitable unless there is a way to reintroduce genetic diversity. Indeed, [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime four-hundred years later]] it's all but spelled out that Noel and Chisato's descendants have been absorbed into the Expellian race. The player even meets one who is very obviously directly descended from Noel.]]

* This is one of the saddest games ever - and unlike other types of TearJerker or NIghtmareFuel, it doesn't feed it to you - it makes you ''imagine'' just what happened. So consider some of the events of the game:

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* This is one of the saddest games ever - and unlike other types of TearJerker or NIghtmareFuel, NightmareFuel, it doesn't feed it to you - it makes you ''imagine'' just what happened. So consider some of the events of the game:

*** The implications of the above are heavily implied as well.well.* Then, of course, there's the whole story behind [[spoiler: the Ten Wise Men and their reason for being in this state in the first place, providing with some SympathyForTheDevil (maybe except Cyril). They were created to surpress rebel forces that were rising up against the Nedians when they ruled the universe as a military dictatorship. Then when their creator's daughter died, the military tried to ''hide'' that information. Lantis eventually found out and was DrivenToMadness, reprogramming the Wise Men to ''annihilate the universe''. When that failed, Lantis was DrivenToSuicide after sealing his cyborg weapons for 4 billion years and transferring his personality and that of his daughter to Indalecio and a Filia clone. And their damage did so much to Nedians, they were forced to take refuge in an energy mass and completely erase the history of the whole disaster. Reading all of that, you really have to give some pity for such villains.]]

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