There has been a report that someone is calling Larry's relatives, and being less then polite. * Now I do not know if that is true however, Bullshido does not condone such behavior so as of the present time.

1) Any posts containing information about Larry's relatives will be deleted from this thread if posts are identified containing such information. (provide post #)

2) If Bullshido discovers through reliable evidence that people posting here are engaging in such activities. (this does not include contacting Larry himself for information) we'll ban you.

Since I'm not accusing a particular person of bad behavior this subject is not open to debate.

The Bullshido Legal Team

*understatement

I also Agree 100%. I've never called anyone just checked facts online.

It is not clear if Rittiluechai and Prakarnchai are the same but there is a Chuckai Prakarnchai in Thai boxing lore, so both exist. They would be about the same age so its possible they are the same.

The question is when Klay trained with him and for how long. Rittiluechai was 78 when he died in 2004. He is survived by family that is still running Thai restaurants, they might be able to validate if Klay was actively taught by him or not.

OK, this may have been done, but I didn't see it. He's got a great story about his Muay Thai instructor, "Choo Chai Prakarnchai," who he says passed away some time ago but was known before his death as the second-best Muay Thai fighter in Thailand.

"Choo Chai" quit training people YEARS and YEARS ago. Actually to be honest I'm not sure he ever did "train" people. He ran a Thai restaruant in Lubbock called "Choo Chai". It was a family run business and the only training he did within the last decade (or longer) was teaching his children and grandchildren how to cook up a mean pad tai. Seriously...."Choo Chai" the restaruant is/was a local favorite and most martial artists knew about his past and how good of a Thai kick boxer he was but that was ancient history. His grandson was supposed to be pretty good and maybe Lonis trained with him but I doubt it. I seriously doubt he actually trained with Choo Chai himself. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

The last I heard, his Granson (who trained side by side with me for about 3 years) was in L.A. I'll see if I can get in touch with him.

So which is it Cooper, He trained his family, or nobody at all?

Originally Posted by TigerKlay

To all who will read this forum. I am now withdrawing from this discussion for the mere reason that everything I have been warned about from other VERY creditable peers, has come true. I will post this daily or per every new page so that all new people reading this forum will have the real story on what has happened here.

All of my credentials, records, ranks, etc. have been challenged and unsuccessfully proven wrong in any way shape or form. As I said, I was warned previously by another peer who was roasted on this forum as well, that regardless of my response and proof and attempts thereof, it will be unsatisfactory to the “board” at hand. This was proven to be correct as just as I finally said “okay” and started giving proof, the board replied with, “we only have your word to your and no factual evidence”. Then I started giving names, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, web-sites, etc. to prove my placements, and was responded with “just give us dates and fight venues”. So which is it folks, do you want my word (date and fight venues) or do you want my instructors, peers, etc. who can provide proof. Nonetheless, I stated also, “Forget it. Let’s find out in court with a defamation suit. Please send me your name, address, and court representation via e-mail per my website AND NOT SIMPLY ON THIS FORUM” as to ensure their safety, privacy, and ensure that I had real info. None of them have done so. NONE OF THEM!!! I ASKED THE SAME OF AgentCooper, who after further research I am very near sure is Klay Pittman, a person who was known to have a personal grudge against me even after I gave him and his brother the tools to not only have his school survive, but also grow dramatically, without question. This was done several times over as his attempt to defame me, in his school……over and over and over. How sad from a man who’s exact words to me were “because of you, I can now move out of my Father’s house, have the ability to support a family, and pursue spreading the word of Jiu-Jitsu.”. Even if it were not Klay, he has obviously stated things of sheer angst for a mere student to be able to just assume without Klay saying something abroad in his facility several times over, as to program the members there. Your welcome Klay. Hope you enjoy it while it lasts sir. This is my feeling, and that AC is actually not who he represents himself to be. The same thing I am supposedly “on trial for” here. It is said that what we hate most of others, is in fact what we like least about ourselves. He/she still has yet to answer me (even by private e-mail as requested, with promise that I would not publicly humiliate or defame him/her ) of who he/she is, as AC has said repeatedly that we met over 10 years ago. How convenient. It’s quite obvious, a person will meet thousands of people in a ten year time period, thus not enabling a person to be identified by such info. Still no response after several attempts to prove your identity Cooper.

I then provided reasoning for claims made in the BBB for the Lubbock school and my decision to shut it down 6 - 7 MONTHS AFTER LEAVING IT IN THE HANDS OF A GM and an investor who put the school through it’s 2nd embezzlement, and not leaving it “High and dry and unannounced” as accused. I will absolutely take responsibility for the BBB claims, as it was my business, and I should have paid attention to it much closer. At the time, I was training for fight, spending total training time of 5.5 to 7 hours daily, and only 30 – 45 minutes in the school daily, as the GM at that time was the school’s first embezzlement. That GM also lacked greatly in customer service skills, while taking money from patrons without record, and for services that were not guaranteed or even provided by the school at that time. The only accounts being collected on at this time are for those who owed money, and past due. If anyone from the Lubbock facility is reading and there is a problem on your account, please e-mail me, and I will investigate your problem, while getting you in contact Sensei Karl Lusk, who will continue your training, but not under direction of me, with exception of me teaching him, unless you request otherwise. Sensei Lusk BTW, who all of you also know to be extremely honest, humble, and diligent, as the rest of my Black Belts there are as well is definitely interested in the completion of your Black Belt and beyond, without being interested about the business end of martial arts….much how many of you knew me to be, and because of my love for Martial Arts, that if I could teach for free, I would have gladly done so.

Regardless of anything previous, or forthcoming, I am hereby withdrawing from this forum as the ones who are interested only in truth for Martial Arts, resigned from it long ago, while now, only the ongoing slanderers continue to be part of the mud slinging. This thread will be continually posted, with no other response besides it, on every page from here on out, so that all may know what has truly happened.

BTW....
Rittiluechai was his actual name. Prakarnchai was his stage name, pen name, and fighting name. It meant "Sword of Victory". And he trained people until the day he died. His abilities even at his older age were amazing. To give you a rough idea of Koo's spirit, he fought his last fight at age 53 while being tricked into thinking he would be fighting another old man. As he stepped into the ring, the 23 year ols that set up the fight did too. He walked around the ring with his hands in the air entirely for the first two rounds letting the kid kick, punch, knee, whatever else he wanted to do until just before the end of the 2nd round, when he popped the kid just to let him know he was there. Begining of the 3rd round, Koo knocked him out immediatly when a combo of three. He fought htis fight with both, tuberculosis and small pox at the same time. He left the fight with a flap of skin hanging from his ribs about the size of a hand. I tell you this, in hopes that noone here will trash him...

The last I heard, his Granson (who trained side by side with me for about 3 years) was in L.A. I'll see if I can get in touch with him.

So which is it Cooper, He trained his family, or nobody at all?

I don't know Larry...I don't claim to know him personally or train with him. I'm not the one that dropped his name. I just stated the fact that he was more of a business owner than anything else. Maybe you did train with him or at least talk about training with him but I have always been under the impression that his training days have long since past. If I am wrong about that then I would be the FIRST to admit that. I have no problems when it comes to sort of thing.

If your going to get upset when someone adds their thoughts in reply to what you post then I suggest you just don't post. It's pretty easy and keeps any worms from escaping the can...so-to-speak. It also changes (once again) the focus of this thread in another direction doesn't it?

Come on Dux-Klay name ONE opponent. Why does Sherdog and FCF have no record of you? You would think a 'NHB Fighter of the Year' would have at least ONE fight documented by one or both of those sites.
Also you were offered a chance to compete at Felipe Espinosa's event coming up in Dallas. Will you be competing there? I noticed you did not compete at XFC. Maybe Austin is too far of a trip for a guy of your calibre. They only had guys like Mark Kerr and Paul Buentello show up. But neither of those guys were 'NHB Fighter of the Year' like you were. Man up *****

You stated that Choo Chai had his last fight when he was 53 while he had smallpox? If he died in 2004 at the age of 78 that would mean that he was 53 in 1979. How could he have smallpox, Mr. L'Onis, if smallpox was eradicated worldwide in 1977 by the World Health Organization?

Maybe you were told this story by someone else or you mixed up diseases or something but yet another "attempt" at clarification leads to more and more questions and doubt.