We (as in mankind) went there, observed that it is indeed a dead lump of rock and doesn't really warrant any further investigation seeing as it's humungously expensive to send a mission there. There's no point going back.

Jack_is_the_truthwhy was Harrison Schmitt the last man on the moon in 1972 and howcome no one has been since
im begining to think that a) we have never actually been to the moon or that aliens really exist and have warned us never to return or else

Jack_is_the_truthwhy was Harrison Schmitt the last man on the moon in 1972 and howcome no one has been since
im begining to think that a) we have never actually been to the moon or that aliens really exist and have warned us never to return or else

The main incentive to go to the moon was compeition with the russians, the USA feared they would get there first and claim it. This had strategic implications for star wars, whoever controlle the moon could control earth with Moon base missiles.
However the USSR couldnt afford star wars, or to colonise the moon. In reality their economy was one third of USA, and even USA was struggling to keep up with expense of moon landing.

Also USA trying to save money had to cut corners which led toi the death of several astronauts, space travel became unpopular.

To save money they switched to Shuttles and unmanned space flights.
Shuttles were not suited for Moon Flights and proved not to be as cheap as they had hoped.

The moon is not a planet, its a lifeless asteroid, the ability to travel into deeper space was more exciting, but the long journey times would not suit humans, hence the switch to robots.
Meanwhile space stations became more efficient and had a better payload. Ironically the USA turned to the Russians to help keep space stations active.

One last irony is that China now has a moon landing programme. I suspet it would break their economy, unless they give up after a landing or two. It could of course get the yanks back in the race. Meanwhile I amoving this to off topic as no football played on moon

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Whats nice Jack? I have answered your question in full. The thread is where it should be.

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Jack_is_the_truthim just not buying the lack of funds as reason for there being no futher explorations of the moon

The cost for the Apollo series of missions ran into the billions of dollars even 40 years ago. In today's money it would be hundreds of billions.
What is the point of further exploring the moon? There aren't any natural resources like oil and gas and even if there were we would have no way of bringing them back to Earth. It's not like you could just build a pipeline to the moon.

You dont buy the money thing Jack? Why have they shut down the shuttle and are hitching lifts of Russians to spoace stations grapefruit?

On the flag:

The flag was attached to a Г-shaped rod so that it did not hang down. The flag only seemed to flutter when the astronauts were moving it into position. Without air drag, these movements caused the free corner of the flag to swing like a pendulum for some time. The flag was rippled because it had been folded during storage—the ripples could be mistaken for movement in a still photograph. Videotapes show that when the astronauts let go of the flagpole it vibrates briefly but then remains motionless.[80]
This theory was shown to be untrue on the MythBusters episode "NASA Moon Landing".

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Why do you keep calling me Nerd?
You asked for an intelligent answer I gave it to you. take it or leave it I dont care, but stop calling me nerd.

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

anyway ive just watched transformers dark of the moopn and they revealed that the decepticons made the americans do some creative accounting so that it will appear too expencsive, so that we wouldnt discover their portal

you called me a Nerd without provocation, so I gave you a grapefruit back

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Jack_is_the_truthWhy are you calling me grapefruit
anyway ive just watched transformers dark of the moopn and they revealed that the decepticons made the americans do some creative accounting so that it will appear too expencsive, so that we wouldnt discover their portal

So If I put a photo of you on Everest Rocky up it wil prove no one ever climbed Everest

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

is it not true that even yet the technology is not available to stop the radiation killing any person who would be on board a spaceship in outerspace, wasn't it only lead we had for it back then, and the amount needed to stop radiation would have led to the humans suffering lead posioning

I assumed you had to be just messing around because it's so ludicrous. I feel like I would probably just be wasting my time explaining why so instead I'll just ask this. Would you be prepared to book a session on an online public use telescope and use your own eyes to take a look at the landing sites?

no its the radiation problem that is the problem, the space shuttle ever went into outerspace as it could not handle it, yet we are to believe 25 years earlier we had craft that could, did we just forget how they coped

Further to this man not going to the moon debate, does anyone seriously think that the people involved in this great conspiracy, the scientists, technicians, people manning the control centre, the astronauts themselves etc. all colluded and never in all the years since spoke about this great falsehood they perpetrated?

To what end would this be done?

Do yourselves and your intelligence some credit you doubters and face up to the facts.

eduardono its the radiation problem that is the problem, the space shuttle ever went into outerspace as it could not handle it, yet we are to believe 25 years earlier we had craft that could, did we just forget how they coped

So now all is revealed. Over the course of several years billions of dollars were spent and men's lives were lost while two countries pretended to be racing to do something that each knew was actually physically impossible.

They successfully managed to not get called out on their bulls.hit by the Europeans/Chinese/anybody else with a space program but apparently they have now met their match in eduardo. The cat is now out the bag and he can reveal that "it's the radiation problem that's the problem"

Radiation is a fairly general term eduardo. Could you be a bit more specific as to what sort of radiation astronauts would face on the moon that has made it impossible to travel there?
And one further question - are high density plastic radiation shields also a myth?

So now all is revealed. Over the course of several years billions of dollars were spent and men's lives were lost while two countries pretended to be racing to do something that each knew was actually physically impossible.

There are tons of people who don't believe this folly mate and as far as billions being spend and lives lost in concepts that defrauded the masses

religion has done the same for centuries, hell the monarchy is one big ridiculous concept...wall street lied to make billions and lose billions...the US spend billions and thousands dead on a lie about weapons of mass destruction

I could go on and on where people have lied to masses for greater reasons but there is google

I mean common sense would tell you that if you wanted to make a suit that could be submerged under deep water for an extended time, you would have to test quite a number of times in that environment and that along the way there would be ups and downs..and thats on EARTH! you wouldn't have a televised perfect run in 1969!! Having NEVER EVER stepped foot on there before

acting like oh look..everything is exactly as we said it would be, I know we can't do this in earth, without many ups and downs, but the moon isn't earth...first time everything is perfect

but if that studio looks like the moon to you, then its your right to believe it so...for me I thought it was very obvious

There are tons of people who believe in God. Tons of people read the Sun and think it's all true. Tons of people voted for Hitler. People are f.ucking idiots which accounts for why there are so many AKBs still at large.

There are tons of people who believe in God. Tons of people read the Sun and think it's all true. Tons of people voted for Hitler. People are f.ucking idiots which accounts for why there are so many AKBs still at large.

totally agree

although I think you left out the people that believe in man on the moon in 1969

Your arguement works both ways Ebor.
I dont care to believe it one way or the other as i dont have the energy to expend caring about the subject. It hasnt and wont impact greatly on my life.

Unless you personally witnessed something with sound mind and clear vision, facts are all about interpretation. People will always choose to believe what they want and 99% of the time it has little to do with stone cold facts. Our lives are too short for us not to take a lot of things on faith, and quite frankly, what a boring life one would lead if they chose not to believe everything until they had indisputable evidence of such a thing (which in the scientific world is still as rare as hens teeth)

Yes and people still believe in God, and much to the frustration of atheists - there is no way to disprove in a supreme beings existence. I myself dont believe in religion but i refuse to join the ridiculously pompous and arrogant band wagon that a large portion of atheists do in putting down peoples belief because it does not conform to their own. The same goes for religious zealots.

Tonnes of people voting for Hitler wasnt as stupid and surprising as you think if you actually knew anything about the history of that time.

Explain why an earth there'd be all that trouble to pretend to go to the moon?

And if so how has this great calumny has not been revealed considering the amount of people involved?.

Do you think there were no preparations? That men went to the moon on a whim? What do you think physicists and scientists do?

Do you believe in aeroplanes? I expect you've been on a few or do you go by boat to America? Do you think anyone knew what it would be like thousands of feet above the ground? And yet man built aeroplanes.

Just because it's out of the realms of your narrow imagination doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And Zainy, I always thought you were an intelligent person. Are you joining the lunatic fringe here? Or do you think it was all a big hoax done for some unfathomable purpose?

Facts are not about interpretation. Yes history is written in many ways but the fact that say, for example, Marie Antoinette was guillotined happened, you didn't have to be there to know it happened.

The Earth is round or is that a lie too, made up by false pictures from outer space I suppose. You walk on the ground and it appears flat but our planet is actually a globe. Wow. How can that be?

I suggest you educate yourself about space travel Mr.Rocksforbrains before you peddle this nonsense.

Hippo - as I stated, I dont have a strong opinion on the matter as I dont care enough. All I was saying is that for almost any arguement a certain measure of faith has to be given to each stance because there are painfully few certainties in life.

To use an extreme example
Is it a fact that Usain Bolt ran the hundred metres in 9.58 seconds?
We saw it thus it is true right? But again you place faith in the fact that the equipment used to time the event was working 100% correctly, was calibrated correctly and its fundamental design was accurate.

With regards to the moon landing, both sides of the arguement are placing faith with which 'facts' they believe in.

There is no need to label someone who doesnt share you perception on something in a derogatory manner.
Rational people believe strange things to both you and I.
Its a rational thought to believe the sun is extinguished before nightfall and reignited in the morning, because you can see the sun disappear at dusk and rise in the morning. Now this contradicts what is now common knowledge but if the person doesnt have that knowledge or doesnt believe the source of that knoweldge his assumption is still extremely rational.

But I'm sorry, if you have recourse to knowledge, as in the moon landings which includes film, and hundreds of people involved in the proceedings and probably many other things to prove the truth, I find it plain stupidity to argue against it.

As I said before to what purpose was this great hoax made?
And also as there are many people involved how has the truth as Rockstaar perceives it never come to light?

If pushed my answer is this: Im not sure the US government ever had the intelligence to pull of a mass deception like the moon landing or a roswell conspiracy.
Stranger things have happened though.
There are plenty of conspiracy theories abound in the world at any given moment. Are they all false? Possibly but not probable.
I dont have enough evidence either way to sway me strongly to one side on the moon landing business, but as I said, if pushed I would probably go for it being the real deal.

So someone asks why did yanks stop going the moon and the reply is because they never went there in the first place

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Do you believe in aeroplanes? I expect you've been on a few or do you go by boat to America? Do you think anyone knew what it would be like thousands of feet above the ground? And yet man built aeroplanes.

yeah I believe in aeroplanes..but you keep on using examples that are EARTH driven...we LIVE on earth therefore can test conditions relentlessly until we get it right

If I don't understand arctic weather I can go there and see whats the difference in temperature and how it affects things compared to the mild breeze one feels in say the caribbean...even the first trip there more than likely involved death or mishaps

you are convinced that the VERY FIRST TIME a manned spaceship went to a place NO HUMAN has ever been before..the spacesuits, the ship, the video feed everything was simply perfect...oh dear

and why would tons of people have to be involved in the cover up, you would only really need a few and the climate at that time was about which one of the Super powers were greater...plenty of reason to stage it

but for me its really simply common sense

I saw building 7 in NY go down without being touched by a plane or anything on Sept 11, yet millions believe it was a terrorist act whereas millions don't. Both saw it on the telly yet two different opinions

People say the Sun is a star even though we've never been to either...you take what information you want and believe what you want but it doesn't mean your opinion is correct

Rockstaar
I mean common sense would tell you that if you wanted to make a suit that could be submerged under deep water for an extended time, you would have to test quite a number of times in that environment and that along the way there would be ups and downs..and thats on EARTH! you wouldn't have a televised perfect run in 1969!! Having NEVER EVER stepped foot on there before

In fairness to Rockstaar this makes sense. What they probably should have done is first send a man to space in low orbit then gradually build on that experience over the course of several years before eventually trying to put a man on the moon.

You might know God exists Jack, but where is your evidence?
Your Faith is not scientific evidence as it is purely a subjective feeling

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

The concept of a God means there will never be proof unless we all die suddenly and move on up so to speak. So an arguement of where is the proof is countered with where is your proof he/she doesnt exist - which is quite valid.
There is no knowing either way. You either have faith in your intuition there is no higher being, or you have faith in your belief there is.

Its difficult to accept much of what was written in any scripture but then again this is not proof that a higher power doesnt exist.

the defination of faith in the bible is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen"

meaning God becomes personal and provable through faith hence and a result exercising faith in something you havent seen it will become as real to you as your hand.

for example if you have faith in what i am saying about jailbreaking your phone and setting the device free, and you actually do it based on your faith in my words you will know without a shadow of a doubt that your phone will become more usefull and important to you without stealing any paid apps

I'm just saying if you believe in a creator then it logically would have to go on for infinity...meaning the creator would have to have had a creator and so forth

@GJ

You cannot change the FACT that once I have proven something then I no longer need faith...in your example I can prove what you've said to be true and once I've done that I no longer need faith in what you said concerning that issue

with the God concept you cannot prove it, so you have to endlessly believe and have faith, you also have to put faith in a book that was 'inspired' by GOD, not written by him

like I said, if we weren't talking about God and another topic, you could clearly see the contradiction in your reasoning

Rockstaar - I think the concept of God and religion are easily mutually exclusive.
Organised religion as a concept to me simply doesnt make much sense and I personally dont put too much faith in the written word of man on God as so much of it seems fallible. But the concept of a higher being is not so easily explained away.

A relationship with God is a personal thing, and god as proven to be true in my life on countless occasions, so i know for a fact that God is real withougt a shadow of a doubt

you dont have to know exactly how a car works in order to start it and drive itg were it need to go, you do that because you have faith in what people have told you about what a car is supposed to do and based on that info you`have exercised faith and found it to be true

you dont have to wait to see a blind man recieve his sight before you exercise faith in God

i guess the bible explains it best when it says

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

@celine even though i am very good looking have a body like a thor and am married to a very beautiful wife, i still wouldnt class myself as arrogant in the slightest

exactly, just like a child has a invisible friend, you can't tell them their friend isn't there and isn't real to them, but we all know its not real

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you dont have to know exactly how a car works in order to start it and drive itg were it need to go, you do that because you have faith in what people have told you about what a car is supposed to do and based on that info you`have exercised faith and found it to be true

mate, you keep using examples that are proven facts..I think this is the 5th time Im posting the same thing, once you know it to be true you are no longer working on faith and belief

People suffering and dying from starvation pray to the same God that we do whilst throwing away tons and tons of food everyday...both have faith and belief, but two different outcomes

you can't PROVE there is a God, just like technically I can't PROVE there isn't one, so I really don't understand the length of this discussion...you are intelligent enough to KNOW that

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