Re: Is BJJ still Good for MMA

When are you going to start pulling your head out of your ass itwasntme?

If it were really that cut and dry there would not have been a huge discussion on here well after the Unified MMA rules were put in place here in the states.

Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist

i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.

If it were really that cut and dry there would not have been a huge discussion on here well after the Unified MMA rules were put in place here in the states.

No you asshat, you claimed "Combat 8 is MMA".
That is simply false by the CEOs own words.
Furthermore that is not and has never been a "huge discussion on here well after the Unified MMA rules were put in place here in the states".

You are now trying to piggyback your idiotic statement to the arguments that revolve around what makes up MMA, is it a style etc.

Both Omega and I have a strong dislike for (mostly new or young) BJJ guys assuming that there is nothing as advanced as BJJ when it comes to the ground.

I'm neither new nor as young as I once was (soon The Dutchman will just be a day in the life and not a wistful, tear inducing tale) and as of right now, BJJ and its derivates are the most sophisticated ground grappling systems. Sophisticated isn't synonymous with better. Obviously you can get by without that. You can get by knowing only a basic single and double too, or even the first two sets of throws in the gokyo no waza. That doesn't mean BJJ contains all of judo's throwing knowledge. Come on man, have a little pride.

One of the strengths of BJJ is it's ability to willingly co-opt techniques from other martial arts. Indeed, the entire sport was born from Judo, which was born from several Japanese Jujutsu Ryu-ha (I'm not sure that Ryu-ha is the proper term).

It is.

The point is that there is an older sport that includes virtually all the ground techniques in BJJ.

That's false. While given the fact that judoka outnumber BJJers 5-10 times, it's possible to find photos of different judoka doing most BJJ submissions (although there's a lot of important exceptions), you'd be violating fundamental BJJ principles by claiming that's the same thing as BJJ being a rump state of O.G. judo. Submissions are the last part of the fight, after all. Most of BJJ takes place before the submission is ever locked on. BJJers have developed the knowledge base of positioning on the ground to a degree unseen anywhere else.

I can say this as someone who's been doing judo almost five years in a very judo heavy area, who loves judo. It ain't remotely comparable.

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I'm neither new nor as young as I once was (soon The Dutchman will just be a day in the life and not a wistful, tear inducing tale) and as of right now, BJJ and its derivates are the most sophisticated ground grappling systems. Sophisticated isn't synonymous with better. Obviously you can get by without that. You can get by knowing only a basic single and double too, or even the first two sets of throws in the gokyo no waza. That doesn't mean BJJ contains all of judo's throwing knowledge. Come on man, have a little pride.

It is.

That's false. While given the fact that judoka outnumber BJJers 5-10 times, it's possible to find photos of different judoka doing most BJJ submissions (although there's a lot of important exceptions), you'd be violating fundamental BJJ principles by claiming that's the same thing as BJJ being a rump state of O.G. judo. Submissions are the last part of the fight, after all. Most of BJJ takes place before the submission is ever locked on. BJJers have developed the knowledge base of positioning on the ground to a degree unseen anywhere else.

I can say this as someone who's been doing judo almost five years in a very judo heavy area, who loves judo. It ain't remotely comparable.

No Hedge you are trying to turn this into an argument that it isn't. First use basic math: Judoka outnumber Bjj players 2 to 1. Second the argument is done in the context of bjj in mma. Lastly if it weren't for brainwashed blanket statements and propaganda of the Galactic sheep that believe everything done on the ground is bjj maybe we could actually not have the same fucking argument year after year. (Just like all clinch throws are Judo, just like all punches are boxing)

"The only important elements in any society
are the artistic and the criminal,
because they alone, by questioning the society's values,
can force it to change."-Samuel R. Delany

RENDERING GELATINOUS WINDMILL OF DICKS

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST NON-EUCLIDIAN SPLATTERJOUST EVER

It seems that the only people who support anarchy are faggots, who want their pathetic immoral lifestyle accepted by the mainstream society. It wont be so they try to create their own.-Oldman34, friend to all children