He needs to know when to be daring. That's probably not in the 1st qtr. of the 1st game when he can take a risk and give us 2nd and 2 instead of 2nd and 8 near midfield. He might need to be lucky early until he learns when to be daring.

Vick still doesn't know.

DarthMonk

These remain my two biggest concerns right now - Kyle's dangerous play calling and RGIII's daring. I think Kyle could solve both with a little less exuberance with the option play.

DarthMonk wrote:Under Kyle we have thrown 591 and then 605 passes. Yardage numbers are 3931 and 3773. TDs are 21 and 19.

My Predictions:

Griff will throw 600 times for 4,000 yards and 24 TDs. He will run for 400 yards and another 4 TDs.

He is an upgrade, isn't he?

Darthmonk

Current projections:

Passing:

ATT 466

YDS 3543

TDS 14

Rushing:

YDS 940

TDS 11

Now I'm thinking 500 passing attempts for 3700 yards and 15 TDs while running for 800 yards and 8 TDs. We have certainly emphasized Griff's running (Morris' as well). I think Griff is an excellent passer who just, as Lombardi said about Jurgensen, needs a little defense.

RG3 tries to involve his other players in ways to best help the offense while Vick tries to find ways in which he can best help the offense

2 very different QBs - IMO -

are we ever lucky to have this kid playing QB for the Redskins ...

and this is just the first year ....

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

SkinsJock wrote:the implication that RG3 and Vick are 'similar' is way off

Not directed at me, right? I've been a major expounder of the differences between them from before day 1.

DarthMonk

NO ... Not at all ... Just clarifying ....
There are still Reports almost insinuating that RG3 is a running QB when the yards gained are more because of the game planning and taking what the defense gives than PRIMARILY having RG3 run the ball

Sorry it looked like that .... I do know you we're the first to point to the difference

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

SkinsJock wrote:the implication that RG3 and Vick are 'similar' is way off

Not directed at me, right? I've been a major expounder of the differences between them from before day 1.

DarthMonk

NO ... Not at all ... Just clarifying .... There are still Reports almost insinuating that RG3 is a running QB when the yards gained are more because of the game planning and taking what the defense gives than PRIMARILY having RG3 run the ball

Sorry it looked like that .... I do know you we're the first to point to the difference

RG3's biggest weakness seems to me to be long throws, but I'm not sure about that. We don't have anyone who seems to be able to run under the ball. The receiver's suck, which makes a big difference. The biggest problem with the offense, however, is that our defense won't let them on the field, and when they do go on, they know they have to score....The pressure's turned way up and its hard to get in a groove, especially when receivers drop balls or fail to get open. I think desperation is getting to RG3. He's human, and getting no real help from anyone except Morris, who's flagging in second halves because of overwork.

crazyhorse1 wrote:RG3's biggest weakness seems to me to be long throws, but I'm not sure about that. We don't have anyone who seems to be able to run under the ball. The receiver's suck, which makes a big difference. The biggest problem with the offense, however, is that our defense won't let them on the field, and when they do go on, they know they have to score....The pressure's turned way up and its hard to get in a groove, especially when receivers drop balls or fail to get open. I think desperation is getting to RG3. He's human, and getting no real help from anyone except Morris, who's flagging in second halves because of overwork.

I've seen enough good deep balls to say it's not a weakness. It's relative though. I agree with everything else.

I'd say Griff has no athletic/physical weakness. The area in which he can improve most is on the mental side - and he seems to learn there rapidly.

He'll never be faster than he is now. He may gain a little strength. He figures to get a lot better at the mental aspects.

Otherwise, he is better than any Redskin QB that I have seen...except for Sonny (too young to remember Sammy except as a picture at the Queenstown barber shop)

I remember Sonny well. Started watching when Lebaron was playing. I don't know if RG3 is Sonny's equal as a passer, or superior. But Sonny couldn't run.
At any rate, if RG3 just stays as good as he is for ten years or so, he'll be a HOFer and probably the best player, not just better quarterback, than the Skins have ever had. I do think he'll put up better numbers than now...when some coach cuts him loose as a passer. We need to pass more.

I also think we're a better defense and a couple of great receivers away from a super bowl. Maybe Garcon is one; Davis won't be great, just good. We need a another receiver of true quality. Pull out the bucks, Danny. Now's the time.

Otherwise, he is better than any Redskin QB that I have seen...except for Sonny (too young to remember Sammy except as a picture at the Queenstown barber shop)

I remember Sonny well. Started watching when Lebaron was playing. I don't know if RG3 is Sonny's equal as a passer, or superior. But Sonny couldn't run.At any rate, if RG3 just stays as good as he is for ten years or so, he'll be a HOFer and probably the best player, not just better quarterback, than the Skins have ever had. I do think he'll put up better numbers than now...when some coach cuts him loose as a passer. We need to pass more.

I also think we're a better defense and a couple of great receivers away from a super bowl. Maybe Garcon is one; Davis won't be great, just good. We need a another receiver of true quality. Pull out the bucks, Danny. Now's the time.

Ummm... did you forget? The league stole 32 mil in cap space... Danny was willing to spend, but couldn't... Of course, it looks like there will be some cap carryover, so, take that, Mara...