I just loved this interview. Yet again, he just spoke sense and non ‘beltway’ gobbledegook. Why did Rachel think the use of extradition treaty over Pumpkin’s fuckwit of a murderous dad and the US re Dotcon was different?

Arnie

I agree with you, TV3 are going no where and trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I quite like Rachels interviews but this one was way of the mark.

Neil

I thought the beltway was a specific area in Washington USA – when did the term get exported to New Zealand?

Karlos

The term pothole is also a specific term used in Stratford-upon-avon to describe holes left in the clay roads when people would dig them up to make pots. Do you have an issue with us using that term too?

Neil

Just wish someone could come up with something a bit more local and with a little more imagination than beltway – bloody lame word to me we copy enough of our slang off the yanks these days as it is

Morgy

Neil, thanks for the geo lesson. I think though, most reading my comment will understand the context. I am surprised you have never heard the term beltway being used in political commentary.

Richard McGrath

Agreed. I have heard the term used here by the MSM.

Pissedoffyouth

Are you paid by the US to promote the words it owns?

PR STUNT!

Orange

Rachel is usually much better than that but probably given the script from TV3 and try do her best with it. But JK, what a legend. I could listen to him all day.

Neil

She’s much better when she can adlib stuff – this was clearly scripted by Our Lovely Prime Minster and his team….PR stunt much…how naive are you lot? Really.

Mostly_Harmless

It’s all a conspiracy, I tell you!

Mediaan

And they would script this mess because … ?

Neil

Excuse me – I was referring to this interview…..

Mediaan

Rachel seems a nice girl, if oddly dressed for a political and economic analysis job, but she is dippy. She has been told to be more assertive, I think, and is still learning how.

Assertiveness is a long slow learning curve. You don’t get it overnight. Go take lessons, then come back Rachel.

Mitch82

Hahaha.. she just got bitchslapped there.

Gazzaw

Game, set & match.

Phar Lap

Think Campbell sent her,he already has had his arse kicked by John Key.Seems she got the same ,Campbell was probably hiding behind her skirt,sucking his thumb.

StacyMcNaught

Wow, get that girl some savlon because she just got burned…by facts no less, who knew…

Unfortunately Stacy, the facts are not on the side of the Prime Minister in this interview.

John Key claimed that the Dotcom extradition is “not different in the slightest” to that of Nai Yin Xue. In reality it is different in many ways. For starters, Xue wasn’t extradited, he was deported. Xue had no legal status in the United States (hence the deportation), where Dotcom is a New Zealand citizen. And the gravity of charges Xue faced and Dotcom is facing are markedly different.

At the time of his deportation, Xue was wanted on suspicion of murdering his wife. He was captured and arrested in the United States and charged with being a fugitive and wanted in New Zealand. Because Xue had no legal status in the United States (he entered the United States under a pilot program that allowed him to enter for up to 90 days without a visa) he was promptly deported.

Dotcom cannot be deported from New Zealand, as he in a New Zealand citizen (thanks to the National Government). He can only be extradited. In claiming the two cases are “not different in the slightest”, John Key got this totally wrong!

John Key also claimed that the heavy handed police raid was justified based on the fact that firearms were discovered at the property.

In reality it is estimated one in five of all New Zealand households has at least one firearm, yet the scale of the Dotcom raid was unprecedented (not to mention the search warrant enacted was ruled to be illegal). If John Key is genuine (hardly likely) in his belief that police were not safe to walk up to the Dotcom mansion then surely it follows that he’d have to believe that police aren’t safe walking up to one in five New Zealand households!

To hold this up as one of Key’s better interviews stems from pure ignorance.

Mediaan

Bah, legalisms, and not the point (unless you are a pointy-headed lawyer).

The cases are both very serious indeed from a police safety and public concern point of view. So Key was 100% right.

The Dotcom FBI charges involve not only copyright but also money-laundering. This is an organised crime activity.

Tempero had a shotgun.

Dotcom had been photographed with a gun.

Tempero the senior bodyguard was believed to have links with Head Hunters criminal gang.

Tempero had worked security for big names (Beckham, Sultan of Brunei family) who are into serious measures for serious risk.

Tempero had previously appeared in court on a firearms charge elsewhere, this involving a semi-automatic weapon (NZH).

This was if anything MORE risk than the pumpkin case fugitive. How much risk do you expect our police to take, before you agree it is “serious”?

Legalisms are the point when John Key states the deportation that Nai Yin Xue went through and the extradition Kim Dotcom is going through are “not in the slightest bit different”. Key is wrong on this and there’s no defending that.

Key talked about Pumkin in what appeared to be an impromptu and cheap appeal to emotion. If Smalley had the facts on the Nai Yin Xue case in front of her then she would had blown Key out of the water.

Likewise, the firearms argument is another cheap appeal to emotion. Police face the most serious risk when dealing with violent and aggravated offenders and they do this on a daily basis. The Dotcom raid was both over the top and illegal.

In Vino Veritas

Andrew, I think you’ll find that Key actually said that invoking the extradition treaty between the two governments was the “same”. Whether Xue was deported or not is moot. The initial process was the same. And it doesnt matter the gravity of the crime, its the process that was being discussed.
Also, my understanding is that the Police knew in advance that Dotcom had mulitiple firearms at his residence, plus a team of people who were skilled in their use. If we had sent the local bobby to arrest dotcom, and he’d been shot, TV3 (and people like you appear to be) would have been the first to lay the blame on the Police for not looking after their own. Smalley had no counter argument to Key, other than the TV3 line. If she’d tried to ad-lib it, she would have looked utterly daft.

I think you’ll find that Key actually said that invoking the extradition treaty between the two governments was the “same”

Yeah, and Key’s wrong on that.

Whether Xue was deported or not is moot

It’s not moot at all. It’s Key’s argument as to why the extradition treaty between New Zealand and the United States is useful. Except, the treaty was not enacted for Xue, they went down the simpler and faster deportation route instead.

Extradition and deportation are two completely separate processes. Xue’s deportation was not reliant on New Zealand having a extradition treaty with the United States.

Dotcom (being a New Zealand citizen) has the right to challenge his extradition. Xue, had no legal status in the United States and very limited ability to block his deportation.

“A US Customs and Immigration officer, speaking on Sky News, said it was possible Xue could be back In New Zealand by next week, if US government officials could reach agreement with New Zealand police over his extradition.”

Xue was arrested on Friday morning and taken into the DeKalb County Jail, where he spent a night in a holding cell away from other prisoners while authorities decided if he should be deported on immigration matters or extradited by New Zealand on the murder charge.

On Saturday, Xue was taken to the Atlanta Federal Court for a hearing but it was called off at the last minute once it was decided he would be deported for staying in the country longer than he stated on his entry card.

It’s pretty clear from this article and many, many others that Xue was deported and not extradited. I don’t think I can make it any clearer for you.

In Vino Veritas

You are correct Andrew, but NZ authorities had equally clearly invoked the extradition treaty. And that is the point of Key’s comments. NZ asked the Xue be extradited under the treaty we have with the USA. Absolutely no difference to the USA asking that Dotcom be extradited to the US under that same treaty.

Whether Xue was deported in the end, is moot, the NZ asked for him to be extradited.

Mediaan

Pedantic glib idiot who wants the police to try the whole legal case before making an entry to obtain a safety outcome.

It’s meaningless rhetoric, because this is not a Court of Law. Neither is a tv program. Full of lawyer’s twaddle.

(Yet, as pointed out elsewhere, AMcM is careless. Or deceitful. Or is it just glib? Glib enough to slip a wrong word into his ramble, like citizen).

blazer

very melodramatic spin.Totally OTT just like the whole embarrassing Dotcom fiasco.The FBI charges(*allegations) cannot be that serious,after all HSBC was only fined for money laundering for drug cartels.Infringement of copyright can hardly be compared to murder.Andrew McMillan has destroyed Key and his acolytes arguement…and you cant accept it.

In Vino Veritas

Blazer, you are an intellectual pygmie. Andrew has put forward some interesting points to which I have responded. You however, have had nothing to add to the conversation except nonsense (which is pretty standard for you). Pop back down to Aotea Square and camp for a night or five, you’ll be more useful to everyone.

blazer

some ‘interesting points’….game,set,match more like…your response was pathetic ….qualified by ‘as I understand’….and splitting hairs.

LesleyNZ

The US authorities captured him then sent him back to us. John Key did not get this wrong.

Yeah, apologies for that. Dotcom’s a NZ Resident as opposed to a Citizen.

blazer

well actually the U.S authorities could not be bothered capturing him…he was handed in on a plate by some chinese he was lodging with.The NZ Police however ,taking orders from the yanks launched a complete OTT operation to capture their target.Back to the dictionary dear…’capture.’

Liberty

There is no reason why
Dot.com can’t be deported.

In 1999 A German family,
the Schiers, were deported last year after Guenther Schier failed to declare
German drug convictions on his entry to New Zealand 10 years earlier.

Guenther’s dope convictions was nothing compared to the
sordid history of Dot.com.

Warren

Kim Dotcom is NOT a NZ Citizen. He holds NZ P/Residency.

muffin

Kim Dotcon is a fat boorish wanker and he should fuck off back to where he came from. Rachel deserved a slapping and she got just that… TV3 and the Horrid love the fat german

Gazzaw

………love the fat German’s dosh more likely.

Richard McGrath

Gotta admit though, Rachel is eye candy…

Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

Good to finally Emperor starting to blast the looney losers who were having so much fun at his expense. But folks remember – Sheep will be producing a tape, Dotcon will be showing evidence.

Sym Gardiner

That sounds like a Tui billboard.

Neil

He can’t produce the tape – there was none – what century are you in – it was via a digital mobile device that GCSB retrieved end of story no evidence it didn’t happen.

Mediaan

Neil, tell us more.

Neil

No fricking way ….. media pimp I’m not.

Michael

We need more of this Key slapping the MSM. Well done.

cows4me

Well that was easy to watch. Just imagine if shagger was MP , the interview would be 2 hours um ………….ur……um ……..

excuse me

She was mauled, figuratively but also professionally. Her scowl and general demeanour said it all.

truthinblogging

Another paid piece, Cam?

I know that the MPAA et al, have very deep pockets.

Mostly_Harmless

That’s right – when you don’t have a rational argument, invoke a conspiracy theory!

StacyMcNaught

Another??? Was there one prior that you suspect is paid?

Hagues

Yesterday the same allegation was thrown at a post about the Labour conference passing a remit to lower the voting age.

Mediaan

Cam said blandly on Media 7 that yes, he had taken a PR fee. I laughed a lot when he said it, because I remembered the humour he put in to describing his request to a sandwich-offering food company for an upgraded sandwich. I think he ate it, when it reached a sufficient standard.

toby_toby

You keep on making that accusation yet so far you have not presented any evidence to back up your claims.

The idiots on the left like to think that the world runs on money in brown bags. They are living in simplistic dreams of Al Capone in Chicago and secret bribes.

toby_toby

So… Rachel Smalley thinks that the way the police ‘rolled in there’ wasn’t very Kiwi, it was very American and ‘very heavy handed’. That is not something you can put forward as fact. It is her opinion. When John Key presented a possible outcome if the police action had been different, suddenly Smalley decided that she didn’t have an opinion. What the hell?

She tried to tell Key that the extradition process for Dotcom is different for Pumpkin’s dad; presumably she thinks that it is not okay to file for extradition for copyright infringement but is okay to file for extradition for a murderer. I don’t think it is up to her as a supposedly impartial interviewer to judge the merits of each case – the point is that in each case an extradition notice was filed and then it was acted upon. Again, she is giving her opinion… what the hell?

She needs to realise that she can’t just form an opinion when she feels like it. That’s what Fox News does. She either needs to be impartial or be opinionated. Not a mixture.

Steve (North Shore)

Saturday 9.43am on that other blog:

“Steve (North Shore) (3,220) Says:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am

Rachael is having problems dealing with John Key – amusing”
Rachel was way out of her depth, tried to put words in Key’s mouth and the said “I don’t have an opinion on that” she has an opinion on almost everything but not just at that moment – face was red

And that is why he is the prime minister. As Cam has mentioned countless times before, it is very difficult to argue with facts.

Troy

What a stupid bitch – so fucking immersed in her tunnel vision view of things to try and score a point. Even on her best day she wouldn’t outgun Key on his very worst day. MSM point scoring – i’ve had a gutsful of it.

Hazards001

Outstanding…TV3 leftwing news gets another bitch slap

LesleyNZ

TV3 should be apologising to us for their “rose-tinted glasses” support for Dotcon. Rachel lost the argument. How could she say little Pumpkin’s ordeal and mother’s murder and her father’s extradition was “random”! Thank you PM John Key for what you said about our police officers. Their safety must come first.

Patrick

& she has no opinion on whether it would be right for a policeman to go into his house unarmed & get shot?? Bet she would have an opinon if she could sheet home the blame to John Key

Patrick

sooner the big bratwurst swallower is gone from NZ the better, he doesn’t add anything only detracts