ausbot wrote:As this was their most important mission why didn't they contact wheeljack to help?

He's allegedly still beat to a pulp and since he doesn't have Main Character Syndrome, he can't magically recover like Bulkhead.

How did Bulk "magically" recover? He spent like 3 episodes recovering and getting better. In fact short of death, Prime spent more time on his injury than any other animated series spent on someone's injuries that I can think of off hand. Most characters got shot or banged up and the next week looked & acted as if nothing ever happened. Speedy recovery has always been a part of Transformers, and I was actually surprised and impressed with the fact that showed Bulkhead recovering for so long.

ausbot wrote:As this was their most important mission why didn't they contact wheeljack to help?

He's allegedly still beat to a pulp and since he doesn't have Main Character Syndrome, he can't magically recover like Bulkhead.

How did Bulk "magically" recover? He spent like 3 episodes recovering and getting better. In fact short of death, Prime spent more time on his injury than any other animated series spent on someone's injuries that I can think of off hand. Most characters got shot or banged up and the next week looked & acted as if nothing ever happened. Speedy recovery has always been a part of Transformers, and I was actually surprised and impressed with the fact that showed Bulkhead recovering for so long.

Granted, but it seemed like they made a big deal of him being nigh-permanently out of commission. I mean, it's not surprising that they decided to write him back in when they did, but it just seemed like they made a really big deal out of his getting a bit beat up.

ausbot wrote:As this was their most important mission why didn't they contact wheeljack to help?

He's allegedly still beat to a pulp and since he doesn't have Main Character Syndrome, he can't magically recover like Bulkhead.

How did Bulk "magically" recover? He spent like 3 episodes recovering and getting better. In fact short of death, Prime spent more time on his injury than any other animated series spent on someone's injuries that I can think of off hand. Most characters got shot or banged up and the next week looked & acted as if nothing ever happened. Speedy recovery has always been a part of Transformers, and I was actually surprised and impressed with the fact that showed Bulkhead recovering for so long.

Granted, but it seemed like they made a big deal of him being nigh-permanently out of commission. I mean, it's not surprising that they decided to write him back in when they did, but it just seemed like they made a really big deal out of his getting a bit beat up.

Yeah I can see your point on that ... He is the "big bad Bulkhead" so any kind of injury is a major event haha, but it worked well as a midseason cliffhanger.

He recovered too fast. In "Hurt" when Ratchet said he may never be fully functional again, I thought this was a great opportunity for him to come back in Season 3 after spending the rest of Season 2 in stasis. Especially since the Autobots have the Forge now, they could've pounded him some new armor to upgrade into, as the writers told us to look out for upgrades in Prime.

But then he recovers in 3 episodes. Ratchet's a damn liar.

I still think they'll use the Forge to give their Autobots these upgrades in-show:

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PrymeStriker wrote:He recovered too fast. In "Hurt" when Ratchet said he may never be fully functional again, I thought this was a great opportunity for him to come back in Season 3 after spending the rest of Season 2 in stasis. Especially since the Autobots have the Forge now, they could've pounded him some new armor to upgrade into, as the writers told us to look out for upgrades in Prime.

But then he recovers in 3 episodes. Ratchet's a damn liar.

I still think they'll use the Forge to give their Autobots these upgrades in-show:

I thought they hinted at them coming across a wrecked ship full of weapons and such, which was where they'd get the upgraded weapons and armor from?

RAcast wrote:I thought they hinted at them coming across a wrecked ship full of weapons and such, which was where they'd get the upgraded weapons and armor from?

Don't recall. Even if that is the case, I hope they use the Forge to their disposal. A new voice box for Bumblebee? Perhaps a shuttle? HQ Defense Systems?

Unless they lose it in the season finale

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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

RAcast wrote:I thought they hinted at them coming across a wrecked ship full of weapons and such, which was where they'd get the upgraded weapons and armor from?

Don't recall. Even if that is the case, I hope they use the Forge to their disposal. A new voice box for Bumblebee? Perhaps a shuttle? HQ Defense Systems?

Unless they lose it in the season finale

The Cons do know where their base is, don't they? Laserbeak and such... I foresee it ending badly, very badly.

Yeah, they do. How are defense systems are a bad thing in the event the Decepticons ever commence a surprise attack?

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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

Maybe there are defenses, we just haven't seen them because there's never been an attack at HQ. Megatron has been there, but it was planned so defenses could've been shut down, and with Starscream attacking, everything was slowed down so the possible defenses never had a chance to activate ... Just a theory though.

Depending on the finale though, I'm more concerned with how Wheeljack ends up with them on Cybertron and all his upgrades even though he wasn't a part of their most dire moment and attack plan. That's a bigger hole to me, than Bulkhead's recovery.

Huh? I'm talking about using the Forge to craft hidden exterior defense systems that manually activate in the future event that they detect a Decepticon in-bound. You still haven't answered my question as to how that would end "badly," and now we're bringing up shields that pop out of their flooring, and a defense grid I never mentioned?

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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

PrymeStriker wrote:Huh? I'm talking about using the Forge to craft hidden exterior defense systems that manually activate in the future event that they detect a Decepticon in-bound. You still haven't answered my question as to how that would end "badly," and now we're bringing up shields that pop out of their flooring, and a defense grid I never mentioned?

Oh, sorry! I mean, I expect things to end badly because it's down to Ratchet and maybe Wheeljack back at home, while everybody but Megatron on the Con side is still on earth.

"Ends badly" entails the base being destroyed, the remaining artifacts (including the forge) being stolen/re-re-stolen (in the case of the Forge), and generally making the Bots temporarily homeless. Not to mention that Airachnid will probably see release in the middle of the scuffle.

RAcast wrote:I thought they hinted at them coming across a wrecked ship full of weapons and such, which was where they'd get the upgraded weapons and armor from?

Don't recall.

That info comes from the story written in Beast Hunters Bumblebee's instructions, which was shown at the NYCC 2012 panel:

With the threat of PREDAKING looming over them all, every AUTOBOT dedicates himself to discovering some means of battling the PREDACON overlord. But it is the scout BUMBLEBEE who discovers what may be the key to victory. Buried deep within data recovered alongside one of the Iacon Relics he finds evidence of a derelict transport starship - a courier packed with weapons more ancient than any relic yet recovered - set adrift ages ago among the asteroids girdling Earth's solar system. With no other way to reach the ancient ship, and not wanting to waste time, he contacts WHEELJACK, hoping the AUTOBOT mercenary can provide transport and - if it turns out to be a trap - an extra blaster.

Continued in Chapter 2 Deluxe SOUNDWAVE (sold separately)

As an aside, they also noted at the panel that there have been some liberties taken between show and toy form, in that not everything we see in one will be seen in the other, like with the Predacons in that they made more Predacons for us to enjoy in toy form that we may or may not see in the show.

And the same could be said about the Autobots' and Soundwave's new armor upgrades that could also be just for the toys' pack-in story instead of for the show. i say this since it would be cheaper for them to not change the character modles that drastically and just leave them as they are, which many suspect could be the case (even on this site's Twincast Podcast).

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

RAcast wrote:I thought they hinted at them coming across a wrecked ship full of weapons and such, which was where they'd get the upgraded weapons and armor from?

Don't recall. Even if that is the case, I hope they use the Forge to their disposal. A new voice box for Bumblebee? Perhaps a shuttle? HQ Defense Systems?

Unless they lose it in the season finale

I don't see how that can happen. Seems to me they left it back at base.

I was speaking in the event they return to Earth at some point in season 3, perhaps to build a shuttle and officially leave.

Granted, this was posted before the preview clip. It was mere speculation.

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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.