So.... I'm 13, and people tell me I think about things that most 13 year olds don't think about like: politics, science, different religions, yadda yadda yadda. Each week I've always got a new topic in my mind and this week it's on honor killings.

So I searched it up online (Me and Google are besties ), and the definitions I got were: When a male finds out that a female in his family has done immoral things such as: Stepping out of an arranged marriage, commiting adultry in or out of marriage and being raped (as a victim).

I also found out that Muslims make about 91% of all honor killings.

So I have questions (My Dad says I should ask ALOT of questions, but people tend to get annoyed... )

1.) Isn't it haram to force someone into marriage?

2.) Didn't Prophet Mohammed (SAW) say that if someone gets raped, the victim should NEVER be accused and that the RAPIST has to be killed?

3.) The man who kills in an honor killing cannot kill unless he knows for sure? (That's not really a question...)

Too much questions??

... So I need answers... I like answers.... Thank you all!!!

Clearly what I think is that these men who arrange haram honor killings are making Islam look bad , and most people tend to look at the bad side, instead of the good.

So.... I'm 13, and people tell me I think about things that most 13 year olds don't think about like: politics, science, different religions, yadda yadda yadda. Each week I've always got a new topic in my mind and this week it's on honor killings.

So I searched it up online (Me and Google are besties ), and the definitions I got were: When a male finds out that a female in his family has done immoral things such as: Stepping out of an arranged marriage, commiting adultry in or out of marriage and being raped (as a victim).

I also found out that Muslims make about 91% of all honor killings.

So I have questions (My Dad says I should ask ALOT of questions, but people tend to get annoyed... )

1.) Isn't it haram to force someone into marriage?

Yes it is. We can force someone into anything, marriage, religion, political view, anything.

2.) Didn't Prophet Mohammed (SAW) say that if someone gets raped, the victim should NEVER be accused and that the RAPIST has to be killed?

Of course it is 100% wrong to accuse the victim, any victims including rape.

3.) The man who kills in an honor killing cannot kill unless he knows for sure? (That's not really a question...)

Anybody kills anybody unjustly/wrongly is a criminal. He/she has to be punished.

Too much questions??

... So I need answers... I like answers.... Thank you all!!!

Clearly what I think is that these men who arrange haram honor killings are making Islam look bad , and most people tend to look at the bad side, instead of the good.

Salam/Peace,
Semar
The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full"
"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"

Brother Semar has answered the questions but I will just add the evidence from the Quran and Sunnah.

1.) Isn't it haram to force someone into marriage?

Yes it is. We can force someone into anything, marriage, religion, political view, anything.

From Sahih Bukhari:

"Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A virgin should not be married till she is asked
for her consent; and the matron should not be married till she is
asked whether she agrees to marry or not." It was asked, "O Allah's
Apostle! How will she(the virgin) express her consent?" He said, "By
keeping silent." Some people said, "If a virgin is not asked for her
consent and she is not married, and then a man, by playing a trick
presents two false witnesses that he has married her with her consent
and the judge confirms his marriage as a true one, and the husband
knows that the witnesses were false ones, then there is no harm for
him to consummate his marriage with her and the marriage is regarded
as valid." (9:86:98)

2.) Didn't Prophet Mohammed (SAW) say that if someone gets raped,
the victim should NEVER be accused and that the RAPIST has to be killed?

Of course it is 100% wrong to accuse the victim, any victims including rape.

From The Holy Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that
if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading
mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if
any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole
people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs,
yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the
land.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is:
execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this
world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" (5:32)

3.) The man who kills in an honor killing cannot kill unless he knows for sure? (That's not really a question...)

Anybody kills anybody unjustly/wrongly is a criminal. He/she has to be punished.

From Sunan Abu Dawud:

"Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for
prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That
(man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came
by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the
man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to
her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually)
had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who
did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But
he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was
seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone
him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of
Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them." (38:4366)

Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

Can i just say "honour killings" are NOTHING to do with islam, its a cultural thing to do with the traditions and culturals for our ancestors before they became muslims. There is NO place whatsoever for such acts in Islam.

Unfortunately some muslims find it difficult to distinguish what is Islamic and what is a cutural/tranditional act which we have as yet not truly shaken off.

I agree its a cultural thing, where honor is put above belief and justice. Like many have mentioned above, killing is only through the way of justice, as life for life.
I only find the Bible (OT) to order honor killing.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 12 September 2011 at 3:39pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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