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Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by Razade

There's so much wrong in that assumption.

1. The largest force in the world has almost sole control over Sea Stone Production. Sea Stone is a liability to their own forces, why would they mass produce it? It destroys their own power by proliferating it or allowing others to do the same. Why would you let someone hand out tools that basically make your top people useless? You don't.

2. Sea Stone is rare and it's more useful for other things. Containing Devil Fruit Users is more important than being able to fight them. Because for one thing Devil Fruit Users are rare in the world, not rare in the story. Why spread a lot of weapons to fight a foe that you can fight via other methods? Logia are explicitly the most rare of all Devil Fruits (Under Mythical Zoan but w/e), wasting Sea Stone on the possibility of one is a terrible terrible tactic.

3. Haki. Haki is something people can use and doesn't require resources, time or special tools.

4. Calm Belt Navigation. We're told that's where the majority of Sea Stone goes into. Bottom of boats so the Marines can have unparalleled navigation abilities around the world.

5. Vegapunk. We're told that he's the one who created the idea of coating the bottom of the ships the Marines have with Sea Stone in the first place and he discovered how to manipulate it in the first place. Research the World Government undoubtedly wouldn't want to share.

Seastone is rare but not that rare. All Navy ships have Seastone bottoms. Dressrossa has an entire building constructed with the stuff. There's more Seastone in Onepiece than there is Gold in the real world.

Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by Devonix

Seastone is rare but not that rare. All Navy ships have Seastone bottoms. Dressrossa has an entire building constructed with the stuff. There's more Seastone in Onepiece than there is Gold in the real world.

It's rare enough for a single organization to have an out and out monopoly on it. They call it rare in the series as well, so who are we to disagree?

Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

Well given the shows themes, its probably the One Piece being some super weapon that can control the entire oceans of the entire planet.

like, Oda once said that the One Piece wasn't some cliched friendship or Luffy's hat, and since the four pirate emperors are really strong and only respect strength, what could possibly give someone enough strength to be an uncontested King of All Pirates? what could possibly be so great that the Navy itself would cover up an entire century? what could possibly be so great that it would override all the devil fruit powers? complete control over the ocean. its the one power that no one has, and if anyone did have, would:
-completely destroy any Devil Fruit user
-would destroy anyone sailing a ship, IE everyone
-flood any island.
-would explain a great and powerful civilization that once existed but fell- they basically created the greatest super weapon of the One Piece world and used it to rule everything, and of course the Navy covers it up because do you really want people knowing about and thus going after a powerful super weapon that could single-handedly destroy the Navy?
-makes perfect sense for both Gold Roger and Luffy to not use at all, given that Gold Roger was an adventurer who was dying and Luffy is in it for the journey not the destination.
-makes perfect sense for Blackbeard/lava admiral to use if he ever gets it and decides he wants to rule the world
-makes perfect sense for Gold Roger to encourage people to find it as a screw you to the Navy, as it increases the chances of someone finding it who could actually hold onto the One Piece longer and use it.
-gives EVERYONE a reason to find it and fight over it.
-suitably epic conclusion to it all that makes perfect sense while at the same time making sure Luffy wouldn't actually use such a thing, because Luffy is too focused on the journey to want to use such a weapon.
-after all, it can't be mere gold or treasure, since Nami gets those all the time, what would be point of one more shiny trinket?
-it can't be a symbolic thing, since Pirates wouldn't respect that, they respect the Emperors because they're strong and competent, and thus very little reason to fight over it.
-could be named because it makes all the oceans in the world "one piece you control."
-makes perfect sense that controlling water in a world of water would be a story breaker power and thus best left for the final chapter/arc.

I just figured the void century was the government erasing the horrible truth about how they came to power and what terrifying crimes they committed to get there. Basically, they erased the entire change over of government from history just to keep the moral high ground and not be looked at for the terrifying monsters they are. Alternatively it could be the use of the "ancient weapons" that wiped out most of civilization, leaving them to pick up the pieces and they cant risk knowledge that deadly getting out ever again. Like, imagine if we had some horrific world wide nuclear war. We dropped bombs big enough and numerous enough to shatter landmasses, erase entire nations, flood the world with massive tsunamis created by flash melted and boiled ice caps. Only a few scattered remnants survived. The world government took over, and ruthlessly suppressed and destroyed all knowledge of these times until all thats left are vague legends on ancient weapons, powerful beyond belief. The entire century no records were kept, or at least, none publicly available, thus creating whats known as the void century.

As for One Piece, I know its not the case, but I really liked the idea of it being gol d rogers adventure log. It would fit so well with the theme of luffy and why he is after one piece in the first place. He isnt after wealth, fame or power. he isnt after control, or lordship. He wants to be the king of the pirates because that makes him the freest man in the world. And being able to read the adventures the previous king went on, the man who is so much like luffy everyone who ever knew roger notices it, would probably be a pretty huge deal to luffy. Yeah yeah, its cliched, but things become cliches for a reason. Because they are awesome. After all, just look at us! We are enjoying reading what amounts to luffys ships log. The details of all his adventures from the very start to the finish line. And its awesome!

"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

There's so much wrong in that assumption.

1. The largest force in the world has almost sole control over Sea Stone Production. Sea Stone is a liability to their own forces, why would they mass produce it? It destroys their own power by proliferating it or allowing others to do the same. Why would you let someone hand out tools that basically make your top people useless? You don't.

2. Sea Stone is rare and it's more useful for other things. Containing Devil Fruit Users is more important than being able to fight them. Because for one thing Devil Fruit Users are rare in the world, not rare in the story. Why spread a lot of weapons to fight a foe that you can fight via other methods? Logia are explicitly the most rare of all Devil Fruits (Under Mythical Zoan but w/e), wasting Sea Stone on the possibility of one is a terrible terrible tactic.

3. Haki. Haki is something people can use and doesn't require resources, time or special tools.

4. Calm Belt Navigation. We're told that's where the majority of Sea Stone goes into. Bottom of boats so the Marines can have unparalleled navigation abilities around the world.

5. Vegapunk. We're told that he's the one who created the idea of coating the bottom of the ships the Marines have with Sea Stone in the first place and he discovered how to manipulate it in the first place. Research the World Government undoubtedly wouldn't want to share.

Since none of this actually adress my conclusion then i am going to conclude that it is in fact correct. If you want to disprove it then you need to start over, and come up with convincing arguments for why widespread Seastone weapons would not significantly change the power dynamic in the world of OP.

It's rare enough for a single organization to have an out and out monopoly on it. They call it rare in the series as well, so who are we to disagree?

Back once more to it being one of those things we just need to accept. Despite there being entire buildings of it, and ships coated in it. Because else it is something any relevant power can gather in sufficient quantity.

I just figured the void century was the government erasing the horrible truth about how they came to power and what terrifying crimes they committed to get there. Basically, they erased the entire change over of government from history just to keep the moral high ground and not be looked at for the terrifying monsters they are. Alternatively it could be the use of the "ancient weapons" that wiped out most of civilization, leaving them to pick up the pieces and they cant risk knowledge that deadly getting out ever again. Like, imagine if we had some horrific world wide nuclear war. We dropped bombs big enough and numerous enough to shatter landmasses, erase entire nations, flood the world with massive tsunamis created by flash melted and boiled ice caps. Only a few scattered remnants survived. The world government took over, and ruthlessly suppressed and destroyed all knowledge of these times until all thats left are vague legends on ancient weapons, powerful beyond belief. The entire century no records were kept, or at least, none publicly available, thus creating whats known as the void century.

I am pretty certain that the void century is the WG covering over their crimes as well. And that One Piece is some sort of history book.

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Did you all forget the three super weapons, Neptune Pluto and whatever the other one is?

I mean, I agree, One Piece probably also contains the void century's secret, which gives you power over the world government since you know their secrets, but there's explicitly three special weapons in this universe of extreme power. One of them is a person mind you, but still.

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Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by LaZodiac

Did you all forget the three super weapons, Neptune Pluto and whatever the other one is?

I mean, I agree, One Piece probably also contains the void century's secret, which gives you power over the world government since you know their secrets, but there's explicitly three special weapons in this universe of extreme power. One of them is a person mind you, but still.

They aren't connected to the One Piece though. And the other is Uranus. Pluton, Poseidon and Uranus are the Ancient Weapons. We know Poseidon is a Mermaid, named after the first which currently is Shirahoshi. Pluton was made at Water 7, the blue prints of which were burned at Enis Lobby and the location of the weapon itself is only readable by Nico Robin and the Polyglyph is in Alabasta.

We know getting to Raftel has something to do with the Void Century but likely has nothing to do with the One Piece itself...other than it being at or beyond Raftel. Who knows. Either way, we know Gol and his crew learned the true history.

Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

Well given the shows themes, its probably the One Piece being some super weapon that can control the entire oceans of the entire planet.
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As I said, I would expect the last chapter to be chill after the finale climax. If the One Piece really is a crazy awesome super weapon that will change everything about the powers of the world, it cannot be found in the last chapter. In that case, it'll be a part of the climax and take up several chapters. The only way I can see the treasure being found in the last chapter is if it is something that doesn't alter the story any further on its own, like Roger's adventure log. In that case, I can see the final panel just being the crew reading it and smiling.

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Don't say I didn't warn you.

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Re: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding

Originally Posted by Traab

Unfortunately im pretty sure oda specifically put the kibosh on the log idea. Probably just way too obvious of an ending.

He's said, on several occasions, it's something that would be "fulfilling to the crew on a personal level". So it's not going to be friendship (which he outright said, word for word) because he feels (and I agree honestly) that it's a cheap and meaningless reward. It's probably not going to be just Gol D. Rodger's log...though I imagine they'll find it. I'd expect it to be part of the treasure. Not just THE treasure. We'll just have to see. We're almost at the end of the series according to the editors. They're saying 70% of the way done. I'm guessing more like 60% personally.

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Shanks is going to see Barto is a big fan of Luffy, he's going to invite them to drink and then he's going to tell Barto not to do it again or else. And then Barto is going to fanboy over Shanks and that's how that's going to go.

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It was actually a moderatly generous offer to let them sail off in the submarine. For all that tongue guy knows, he is easily able to finish them off whenever he wants to.
But if Brook and Chopper can take him down now, then it does more or less mean they have caught up with Luffy in terms of strenght. This guy is ranked equally with the Biscuit guy that Luffy needed Nami's help taking down.

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It was actually a moderatly generous offer to let them sail off in the submarine. For all that tongue guy knows, he is easily able to finish them off whenever he wants to.
But if Brook and Chopper can take him down now, then it does more or less mean they have caught up with Luffy in terms of strenght. This guy is ranked equally with the Biscuit guy that Luffy needed Nami's help taking down.

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I can't says the same for Chopper, but Brooke went toe to toe with Big Mom. She was explicitly trying to just capture him mind you, but he fought her off for quite a bit. Dude's definitely on Luffy's level.

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I can't says the same for Chopper, but Brooke went toe to toe with Big Mom. She was explicitly trying to just capture him mind you, but he fought her off for quite a bit. Dude's definitely on Luffy's level.

I dont think we can say that though. As you say, Big Mom was clearly trying to catch him. And looking at comic 851 it seems she were repeatedly smacking him down until he no longer were able to fight.

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I dont think we can say that though. As you say, Big Mom was clearly trying to catch him. And looking at comic 851 it seems she were repeatedly smacking him down until he no longer were able to fight.

He also got in a good blow on Prometheus that doesn't seem to be healing last we checked. So that's a thing. But fair, though. Though keep in mind it IS Big Mom. The fact that he survived her attempts to capture him should tell you how good he is, since I doubt she's all that capable of controlling herself, even now.

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Well, Pudding is... definitely not sure what she wants. Not sure how long this will be fun.
But Mom keeps going and I guess now it's up to the Strawhats to keep running until we get a Wedding Cake... which will take only a few hours, I assume?
Otherwise not much to say... I guess Chopper and Brooke are lucky their enemies aren't serious about fighting them yet?

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Well, Pudding is... definitely not sure what she wants. Not sure how long this will be fun.
But Mom keeps going and I guess now it's up to the Strawhats to keep running until we get a Wedding Cake... which will take only a few hours, I assume?
Otherwise not much to say... I guess Chopper and Brooke are lucky their enemies aren't serious about fighting them yet?

Also... so, did Oda just ditch the Barto/Shanks story?

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The cover arcs are short snippets from around the world. I imagine it'll come back in the story proper at an opportune time. It's leaving us in suspense.

Anyway yeah, Pudding's gone ultra tsundere and I'm not SUPER into it, but it's better than just a total redemption I guess. It shows how damaged she is after living like this for so long.

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I can see how some people might not be into it, but this is such an over the top version of being a Tsundere that I can't help but laugh, the fact that it even leaves everyone speechless when she blows up makes it even funnier.

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I can see how some people might not be into it, but this is such an over the top version of being a Tsundere that I can't help but laugh, the fact that it even leaves everyone speechless when she blows up makes it even funnier.

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Yeah, I really like the reaction to her ridiculous antics. That's fantastic.

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Something I was curious about. I have seen the clips of the friends of the straw hat crew and such seeing their new bounties and things like that, but has there ever been a general world reaction to the straw hats in general, and luffy in particular? Like, is there conflicting reports going out where the various nations luffy has saved are countering the marines official stances on things, do the average people even know he exists if they werent a citizen of these specific areas? Are they afraid of this strange strong new pirate who has done all these big deal things? "Omg he arranged a mass breakout of impel down! He declared war on the world government at enis lobby and trashed the place, getting away clean and free!" etc etc etc. Was there any coverage of dressrosa where our favorite blind admiral refused to allow the coverup to happen? Basically, any of this stuff, im curious what the average person thinks of luffy and crew

"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

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Traab is yelling everything that I'm thinking already.

"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."

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The press is firmly under the thumb of the WG. I doubt it will ever be allowed to report that anyone broke out from Impel Down, or that someone could get away with declaring the WG war.

Wasnt the breakout exposed pretty publicly during marineford? I mean, all of a sudden you had another hundred random pirates show up, most of whom were in black and white striped PRISON outfits. And at least a few of them HAD to be known to be locked up in impel down at the time. And considering they had cameras everywhere specifically to use the execution as a publicity stunt word had to have gotten out about that much at least.

But other than that, heh, I wonder if the average person ever questions bounties then. I mean, luffy shot up from a 30 mil nobody to 300 mill pretty quickly. You would think at least some random people would wonder why since they never hear about him doing anything. I also cant help but wonder what this means long term for the series. As you said, the WG sits on the press very harshly and spreads its own version of events. But luffy is making waves in a LOT of places, where they quickly discover for themselves just how full of garbage the press is when they see luffys victory given to random marine officers instead. What happens when a half dozen kingdoms get together and go, "Hey, we all got saved by the same guy the military is lying about."

"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."

Originally Posted by Nerd-o-rama

Traab is yelling everything that I'm thinking already.

"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."