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Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

He wasn't cleared to re-enter the Ravens game, but considering he was cleared to play against the Seahawks, I think it's safe to assume that had Andrews looked at him during the Ravens game, he would have been cleared to re-enter the game.

But he didn't play the rest of the Ravens game technically. He had to leave the game.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

From ESPN News Schefter: Dr. James Andrews determined Griffin has complete tear of the patella graft that was used to repair his torn ACL in 2009, Andreews likely will usa a patella graft from Griffins other knee to repair the most recent tear. Stay tuned for more updates

The Associated Press, citing a source, reported that Wednesday's surgery is expected to last two hours.

Griffin's recovery is projected at six to eight months, barring any setbacks, sources said. The rehabilitation plan will focus primarily on strengthening Griffin's quadriceps to help protect and help stabilize the knee, according to sources. The reconstruction of the LCL is considered a complication, but sources said Andrews informed the Redskins it should rehab well during the same six-to-eight-month time frame as the ACL injury.

Under this projected time frame of surgery, recovery and rehab, Griffin should be able to participate at some level during training camp in August and be ready to open the season in September, according to the sources.
Griffin thanked his fans for their support in a tweet Wednesday morning.

"Thank you for your prayers and support. I love God, my family, my team, the fans, & I love this game. See you guys next season," he wrote.

The NFL Network reported that, after looking at the game file, coach Mike Shanahan believes Griffin suffered his knee injury on the play before the errant snap where his knee gave out as he tried to plant his leg. On that penultimate play, Griffin was sacked by Seahawks defensive end Bruce Irvin.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

The NFL Network reported that, after looking at the game file, coach Mike Shanahan believes Griffin suffered his knee injury on the play before the errant snap where his knee gave out as he tried to plant his leg. On that penultimate play, Griffin was sacked by Seahawks defensive end Bruce Irvin.

I will always question if the injury was properly diagnosed and treated when the leg went 'rag doll' back in week 14... but I'm not a doctor, I just have eyes.

But regardless, RG3 was dragging that leg around for so long in the game Sunday that I'm doubting Shanahan's view that it happened the play before the errant snap is very accurate. IOW, I might be wrong but I think the odds are that Shanahan is wrong.

Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

2 ACL tears to the same knee....not ideal. My understanding is that they cannot graft from the same patella twice so they will hve to get the new ligament from somewhere else.

The crazy thing is both injuries came on a scramble. No clue if his injury at Baylor came on a QB scramble. Yet we still have idiots here blabbing all over sports radio blaming the option

From ESPN News Schefter: Dr. James Andrews determined Griffin has complete tear of the patella graft that was used to repair his torn ACL in 2009, Andreews likely will usa a patella graft from Griffins other knee to repair the most recent tear. Stay tuned for more updates

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

He may miss a few games though, depends on how he recovers. If he recovers like Adrian Peterson, he'll be fine.

Difference is that its the same knee as the previous ACL tear and he's not AP. If they want to keep the same style of offense and be effective early on then I don't think he should start the season. Why risk it?

The crazy thing is both injuries came on a scramble. No clue if his injury at Baylor came on a QB scramble. Yet we still have idiots here blabbing all over sports radio blaming the option

From ESPN News Schefter: Dr. James Andrews determined Griffin has complete tear of the patella graft that was used to repair his torn ACL in 2009, Andreews likely will usa a patella graft from Griffins other knee to repair the most recent tear. Stay tuned for more updates

I am just going to go out on a limb here and say a person who runs an option style offense will take unnecessary risks on scramble as well.

IT goes back to doing too much in unnecessary situations which gets you hurt in the NFL. If I was a redskins fan I would want to keep him in the pocket and have him throw it away more than trying to make something at out nothing.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

Difference is that its the same knee as the previous ACL tear and he's not AP. If they want to keep the same style of offense and be effective early on then I don't think he should start the season. Why risk it?

He is actually younger then AP.

I actually agree with taking their time. Especially if he has ANY setbacks.

That said, medicine advances so quickly. When I was all messed up in 04 I was shocked how quickly athletes recovered (and I was a bum HS track runner). Working with friends who ran track in college, I was shocked how far medicine advanced in 4-6 years. ANd again, none of them were pro athletes

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

I actually agree with taking their time. Especially if he has ANY setbacks.

That said, medicine advances so quickly. When I was all messed up in 04 I was shocked how quickly athletes recovered (and I was a bum HS track runner). Working with friends who ran track in college, I was shocked how far medicine advanced in 4-6 years. ANd again, none of them were pro athletes

I think his age will help but the difference is that AP has legs like a rhino which can protect him and strengthen his knee from instability. Thats the difference I see. OF course RG3 is used less than a RB but I would wait since muscle fatigue can play a roll in tearing it again.

Thats why NOT running the option is a good idea since muscle fatigue and knee ligament injuries are somewhat related. The other thing I would do is get rid of the grass field and have him run on turf.

Cousins is not a bad option so why force a guy back from his second ACL tear in less than 5 years?

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

Difference is that its the same knee as the previous ACL tear and he's not AP. If they want to keep the same style of offense and be effective early on then I don't think he should start the season. Why risk it?

I am just going to go out on a limb here and say a person who runs an option style offense will take unnecessary risks on scramble as well.

IT goes back to doing too much in unnecessary situations which gets you hurt in the NFL. If I was a redskins fan I would want to keep him in the pocket and have him throw it away more than trying to make something at out nothing.

1. I agree, he needs to learn to slide and not be a hero for an extra yard or two.

2. I agree, see point 1.

3. I would love him in the pocket, but I am ok with him taking off, and even the ocoasional option play (which he suffered one injury from, and then he learned to slide or get the hell out of bounds).

4. It is great to say throw the ball away more, but running QB's are never going to do that when they have a wide open lane they can easily run through for big yardage. Again, he just needs to learn to slide..

"He has defied all odds. Somebody asked me about him a bunch of different times with all he's been able to accomplish. My pat answer is, "If you operate on the right athlete, it makes you look pretty darn good as a physician." Adrian was that genetic athlete who could do what he's done. There are a few I've treated. One of them was Bo Jackson. Bo was a natural athlete. He didn't have to lift weights growing up. Adrian Peterson is like that."

"We say we have 90 to 90-plus percent success with (knee) surgeries (in non-NFL cases). But we're talking about playing in the NFL. It's not 90 percent, believe me."

Andrews basically thinks Peterson is a freak. I hope RGIII is too but I wouldn't bank on his recovery based on what Peterson did.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

HUH?

Why wouldnt it? He has looked good (granted limited) and if he comes out looking good he either created a QB controversy (good) or he is trade bait (also good). Worst case RG3 cant come back, we suck, and we get a good pick.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

Tough to give the management of a team that just trotted their franchise QB out to be lion food credit for anything IMO. Saying Cousins looks like a brilliant decision because RGIII just tore up his knee is a bit like saying thank God I overpaid for auto insurance on my Kia Sephia after you total somebody's Ferrari while you are valet parking it.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

I actually blame Shanny less then I blame RG3 the more I have time to think about it.

But regardless my point is still the same.

I am glad we have Cousins and not sexy Rexy......

Which goes back to the point of why certain Colt fans believed that Luck was the safer pick.

If I am a Redskins fan right now I would be concerned that the Redskins FO hasn't learned their lesson here. Even the Dr. gave a pretty unbelievable time table for his return so now there is an expectation that RG3 will be ready come next fall.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

Really, I thought it was because Luck was smarter and better at everything?

Something tells me all learned their lesson here. Snyder may be impatient, but he is not stupid. Its also not like RG3 is the first athlete to play through a major injury. Like I said, the Redskins FO (and coaches) are going to have a different approach. Or they will have a new job.

Also, who are you to say the expectation in unbelievable. I will take a doctors word (especially one who is considered in such high regard as Dr. D) on the recovery. Especially since RG3 will be getting world class rehab and treatment.

Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

I actually blame Shanny less then I blame RG3 the more I have time to think about it.

But regardless my point is still the same.

I am glad we have Cousins and not sexy Rexy......

I disagree that I blame RG3 over Shanahan. He had to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to see that RG3 shouldn't have been out there, arguably 2-3 games ago. RG3 was a competitive athlete, you don't trust an athlete to diagnose himself. Shanny had all the information and visual evidence he needed to pull the plug on RG3 and he didn't. Shanahan is the boss, not RG3.

I do agree though that drafting Cousins was a smart decision. I've been hinting at this all year, but I think Cousins is a better long-term solution than RG3. Most people still think I'm crazy, but I think more than a few might be starting to realize what I'm getting at there.

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