The all black recaro's are a win I've been checking out some you tube clips of exhaust notes. This thing sounds good with the borla & milltek. I would def do a 3" tbe every gti I owned has got one I believe in letting a turbo'd car breathe.

They do look better in person, but yeah, that's a popular criticism. I will say that the "Smoke Storm" grey inserts are pretty conservative and not at all objectionable. It is neat that you can order whatever inserts with whatever exterior color you want... Race Red exterior with Tangerine Sceam interior anyone?

Yup, the ST2 i sat in was blue exterior, and had the grey seat inserts, and my wife and i both thought they looked really good. And the interior of the ST2 does look much better than the ST1 because of the display.

Really? Did it have the Recaros? If not, the base model interior is a bit more modest compared to the upgrades of the ST2 and ST3, especially if it didn't have the larger 7" screen for the nav upgrade.

it may have been the base model. I thought the Focus would have the fully MyTouch dash...even the gauges and stuff.

Maybe just a little more... there's still too much windshield showing, right? lol

On a serious note, the dash, upper door panels, and all that stuff have a nice soft-touch quality to them, but there is a lot of hard plastic in that center stack. The button array on that dash is pretty out of hand though... this is one of the places that VW has always excelled comparatively.

Maybe just a little more... there's still too much windshield showing, right? lol

On a serious note, the dash, upper door panels, and all that stuff have a nice soft-touch quality to them, but there is a lot of hard plastic in that center stack. The button array on that dash is pretty out of hand though... this is one of the places that VW has always excelled comparatively.

As long as the upper dash surround is soft touch then the ST has no more hard plastics than the GTI.

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Maybe just a little more... there's still too much windshield showing, right? lol

On a serious note, the dash, upper door panels, and all that stuff have a nice soft-touch quality to them, but there is a lot of hard plastic in that center stack. The button array on that dash is pretty out of hand though... this is one of the places that VW has always excelled comparatively.

There.

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I went to go look at the new fusion and St in person the other day and they are both very nice. I like the St a lot, especially the Recaro seats and larger mytouch screen. However they had a $5k market adjustment markup that the sales person said was non-negotiable.

Base gets the same gauge pod and auxiliary gauges, but the center stack is less "techie" and more basic. Looks like this:

That just looks like ass... It might even take the cake from the base Mustang.

Originally Posted by Subwoofers

You must be a professional troll in real life.

Originally Posted by Crob

I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

Base gets the same gauge pod and auxiliary gauges, but the center stack is less "techie" and more basic. Looks like this:

You dont want the touch system. Read up on it. Its terrible. This is a much better system.

Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert

As long as the upper dash surround is soft touch then the ST has no more hard plastics than the GTI.

The dash is soft touch so dont worry your VW loving head.

Originally Posted by CWDave

Coming from a Focus owner with that center stack - It's really not that bad. I don't even use it much, as Sync takes care of everything. It looks good lit up at night too.

I also love buttons. So there's that.

I do too. I spent time with the touch system and its frustrating to say the least. I also like the buttons. What people fail to comprehend is that you can control all of your electronics through the Sync system. USB, aux, and phone can all be controlled through this stack. I often dial numbers through the stack. When I get in the car, the first thing I do is throw my phone into the glove box.

You dont want the touch system. Read up on it. Its terrible. This is a much better system.

The dash is soft touch so dont worry your VW loving head.

I do too. I spent time with the touch system and its frustrating to say the least. I also like the buttons. What people fail to comprehend is that you can control all of your electronics through the Sync system. USB, aux, and phone can all be controlled through this stack. I often dial numbers through the stack. When I get in the car, the first thing I do is throw my phone into the glove box.

I still would rather have the option of an aftermarket headunit that does the same thing for $130, and doesn't look like the plastic dash of crap.

Originally Posted by Subwoofers

You must be a professional troll in real life.

Originally Posted by Crob

I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

I still would rather have the option of an aftermarket headunit that does the same thing for $130, and doesn't look like the plastic dash of crap.

As audio and electronics integration becomes more and more common, youre going to have a tough time with that one. If you get the tough system, you wont be able to do that either. Not to mention that by swapping this stuff out, you are going to be losing the Sync system, which is a huge selling point.

As audio and electronics integration becomes more and more common, youre going to have a tough time with that one. If you get the tough system, you wont be able to do that either. Not to mention that by swapping this stuff out, you are going to be losing the Sync system, which is a huge selling point.

Right, because no other manufacture has managed to integrate, phone, usb and ipod controls into their oem units and not make it look like spaceship crap, Sync is just that good....

Like I said give me an aftermarket headunit over this plastic dash of crap.

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Originally Posted by Subwoofers

You must be a professional troll in real life.

Originally Posted by Crob

I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

Because nothing says "style" and "design" like a rectangular radio awkwardly crammed into the dash, covered in tiny chiclet buttons and a cheesy animated 14-segment LCD display.

I honestly would rather look at this, than a giant mound of plastic crap.

Not to mention, other oem units look better than Ford's.

Originally Posted by Subwoofers

You must be a professional troll in real life.

Originally Posted by Crob

I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

I honestly would rather look at this, than a giant mound of plastic crap.

Not to mention, other oem units look better than Ford's.

The stack fits the rest of the interior IMO. It took a few weeks for me to fully warm up to it, but it works well aesthetically and ergonomically.

It sounds like you're more predisposed to either as conservative of style as possible, or are missing the point that this level of new-age styling is in a BUDGET LEVEL FOCUS.

Let's take a look at other budget model OEM stacks, shall we?

Corolla:
Wow. About as drab as you can get. Based on looks alone, it wouldn't surprise me that the only audio that comes out of this thing is a funeral dirge or the Best of Television Static compilation. Functional? Yes. Stylish? Sure, if you consider a wooden spoon fashionable. I absolutely love the LCD readout they stole from an old Texas Instruments calculator.

Civic:
Wait, that's it? That's the radio? I have more options on my blender. It looks like they took this from a piece of **** shelf stereo you bought for $44.99 at Walmart. Don't go too crazy Honda! You don't want to have people think your cars are edgy and stylish! Oh wait, you already have that god-awful tach cluster..

Golf:
The ****, VW? Did you steal this idea from those Zony cassette/CD player radios you get as door prizes at the local bingo hall? Did you do this on purpose to get people to upgrade packages? I love the Indiglo readout though. Very 1990's.

It needs to be. Plastic that gets touched often shouldnt be fancy honestly. YOu ever seen the fancy coating VW puts on their switches and knobs after a year or two of interaction? Its peeling and falling apart.