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ProHockeyTalk on NBCSports.comSun, 02 Aug 2015 23:27:25 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: danphipps01http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/15/roenick-slams-players-cites-the-stupidity-of-the-hits-that-are-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-24845
Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:19:06 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24845Weirdly enough, I like where your head’s at on this one. It makes a lot of sense, what you’re saying. However, the unfortunate downside manifests in a lot of lost play options – those extra two forwards make for a lot of exciting passing plays and there wouldn’t really be any way to properly fill the void left by their absence.

It’s a very interesting, unique idea to solve the problem, and it would result in some huge changes in the dynamics of the game for better AND worse, but… I just can’t see it being as exciting.

I’d sooner look to how the Europeans make five on five work than anything. There are still some major changes the NHL can make – phasing out armour that can shrug off military-grade explosives, for instance, is a good start. No-touch icing, expanding the rinks to international standards, things like that. Exhaust every option before sacrificing five on five. That’s my figuring.

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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:30:40 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24832In my above diatribe, I meant to say in 4 on 4 , you CANT TAKE A RUN on others…
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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:29:37 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24831There is no respect, that is obvious. I believe there’s more to it though, and I would propose two solutions.

I think the size and speed of the game has changed SO radically that these guys are going much faster when they collide…these hits are severe.

How to mitigate it? One, make better head protection. That primarily concerns the jaw. Thats where these guys are getting their concussions. Helmet use will be mandatory and they will stay on their heads.

The other way to solve the problem is radical.

Go to 4 on 4 hockey.

Its a different game. The strategy AND tactics are different. You can take runs at guys…you’ll leave a lane open.

I actually like it, the more I watch it. Whether due to a penalty situation or in overtime, the action is great, you can see plays develop and guys are spaced out on the ice more….collisions generally dont happen.

It had been talked about some years back…I don’t see that the Players Union should bitch about it….just run more lines…guys wouldn’t be worn out so badly, or suffer collision injuries potentially.

I dont think it would fly by Pope Bettman, but there you go…and I’ve been watching the game for 47 years.

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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:28:14 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24761JR is right. And yeah, what happened to respect and why?
Also hibackhand, I couldn’t agree withe you more about Stevens.
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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:21:19 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24758I will never like Roenick after his post lockout comment, “if people don’t like what we did, don’t come out and watch us”. Amazing that he got a legends card in NHL 12, and Bobby Orr didn’t. Fuck yourself Roenick
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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:17:02 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24744“If you ask most former players, they’ll say today’s players don’t respect each other like they used to.”

You mean like the Broad Street Bullies did? Or Billy Smith, who would swing his goalie stick like an axe and take out guys knees? Or the early 80s Canucks who tried to prove “Slap Shot” wasn’t just a movie? Seems to me it’s been a rough sport for a long time. Yeah, long overdue rules to make sure some poor bastard doesn’t become brain dead are finally being put into place and some dolts are ignoring said rules, but let’s not pretend “old time” hockey was a lovefest. These guys are bigger, stronger, and faster than ever before. I thought Bryan Trottier was one of the more complete players of the early 80s. Solid on offense, defense, face-offs, hard checker, and could give as good as he got in a fight. Guy had a giant heart and a real passion for the game. He was the Captain of the most dominant team of the early 80s. Would he make a top team’s first line today? Shanahan was put in place to make sure the guys that don’t get it, spend time away from the game. As long as the suspensions are handled fairly and impartially, the message will start to sink in.

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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:48:55 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24742As long as the hit isn’ t intentional let them hit! They get paid millions to play a kids game!
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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:48:27 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24731The hands and sticks come up for hits and scrums now more than in the old days. Are face cages in minor hockey to blame? Ever since Scott Stevens was venerated and idolized for his head-hunting hard open ice hits, people want to emulate him and that style. Is Scott to blame? Are bigger, hard plastic pads to blame? Player development, scouting, sports nutrition, training regimens, etc is much better than it was in the old days and now players are bigger, stronger and faster. So, are players the same level of mean and nasty but just are stronger now? In the movie Swingers, Vince Vaughn makes Gretzky’s head bleed while playing NHL97. So do we blame Trent, Vegas Baby and EA Sports? Are video games in general to blame? What about heavy metal music? Marilyn Manson? Maybe it’s all of these things or none of these things.

Whatever the cause, Roenick is right, it’s fricken stupid and someone is going to get killed.

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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:45:37 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24730there’s no respect because few teams have enforcers that will deal with the disrespectful player thus commending respect from players.

case in point, if you hit Gretzky…Semenko would beat you sensless. therefore.. nobody hit Gretzky

bring back the red line..

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Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:12:19 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=59886#comment-24721Roenick is correct. I see at least one dumb play every night involving a hit. Maybe the NHL and NHLPA should teach everyone how to hit again and how to use hits to your advantage…the majority of players seem to not know how to make them or use them correctly.
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