BPMN notation?https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/275/707/#msg_707
set to become an official standard under the OMG banner through the merger
of BPMI.org and OMG (see http://www.bpmi.org/downloads/BPMI-OMG_Merger.pdf).
Is it the intention for BPEL Designer to support this notation?]]>Pete Rivett2005-07-14T15:20:19-00:00Re: BPMN notation?https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/275/718/#msg_718
Originally posted by: xinyu.zhou.asu.edu

BPMN is becoming a de-facto standard for graphical process modeling, and
is
set to become an official standard under the OMG banner through the
merger
of BPMI.org and OMG (seehttp://www.bpmi.org/downloads/BPMI-OMG_Merger.pdf).
Is it the intention for BPEL Designer to support this notation?]]>2005-07-14T20:08:49-00:00Re: BPMN notation?https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/275/732/#msg_732
Originally posted by: edwin.khodabakchian.oracle.com

Pete Rivett wrote:

This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
requirements.

There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
Proforma are going this direction.

2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
annotation to code and document generation).

Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.

Edwin]]>2005-07-20T14:42:26-00:00Re: BPMN notation?https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/275/847/#msg_847
I concur with your observations as to the possible ways to marry the pieces.
I would also observe that the update to the proposal (recently posted) also
emphasizes extensibility along the lines you mention. Staging it with the
focus to bpel initially is the right answer aswell. That will no doubt give
the project enough to chew on for the first wave & its imperitive we make
good progress. It will also be interesting to see how the oasis evolves the
bpel standard and how that might play into this.

Greg.

"Edwin Khodabakchian" <edwin.khodabakchian@oracle.com> wrote in message
news:c712d9990b3a7fabc28e3f87c825a1c5$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Pete Rivett wrote:
>
> This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
> how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
> project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
> requirements.
>
> There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
> 1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
> Proforma are going this direction.
>
> 2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
> metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
> annotation to code and document generation).
>
> Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
> iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
> foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
> that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.
>
> Edwin
>]]>Greg Adams2005-09-01T00:36:59-00:00Re: BPMN notation?https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/275/1467/#msg_1467
I concur with your observations as to the possible ways to marry the pieces.
I would also observe that the update to the proposal (recently posted) also
emphasizes extensibility along the lines you mention. Staging it with the
focus to bpel initially is the right answer aswell. That will no doubt give
the project enough to chew on for the first wave & its imperitive we make
good progress. It will also be interesting to see how the oasis evolves the
bpel standard and how that might play into this.

Greg.

"Edwin Khodabakchian" <edwin.khodabakchian@oracle.com> wrote in message
news:c712d9990b3a7fabc28e3f87c825a1c5$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Pete Rivett wrote:
>
> This is a good question. The current scope of the project focuses more on
> how to enable a process analyst to implement the heart of the executable
> project rather than providing a tool for the business analyst to capture
> requirements.
>
> There are multiple ways to marry BPMN and BPEL:
> 1) is import/export - Most business analyst tools IDS Sheer, Popkin,
> Proforma are going this direction.
>
> 2) is to allow the developer to annotate its BPEL source with some
> metadata and use can metadata to generate a BPMN view (similar to Javadoc
> annotation to code and document generation).
>
> Both approaches have value and something we could consider in the second
> iteration of the designer: the goal of the first iteration is to build the
> foundation for BPEL and we are trying to manage the scope to make sure
> that we can deliver something useful in less than a year.
>
> Edwin
>]]>Greg Adams2005-09-01T00:36:59-00:00