The very concept of an eternity of any thing would be hell in and of itself. Somewhere on youtube there is a video (done by AronRa I think) talking about the idea of eternal life. I tried to quickly search for it but couldn't find it.

Firstly, the christian concept of heaven would be hell for me anyway, how fast do you think you'll get bored constantly praising god's name, 10 minutes maybe?

But even if there was an eternal life where you could maybe just float around watching the universe unfold. How long until that gets stale?

The first 1000 years are interesting, lots of things to see, but even then you start to see things repeating themselves, wars, peace, nations rising and falling, history starting to repeat itself.

Then the next 10000 years? You get to witness evolution, which might be kind of neat but what do you really do you get to see? A bird's beak gets a little longer or shorter, some mammal's fur gets darker or lighter or spotted.

Then 1,000,000 years.
Then 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000?
What about after 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years?

After the possible heat death of the universe when there is nothing left to look at, not even any light to see by, just eternal consciousness in a black void.

A friend in the hole"I'll be back when I want it...not when I need it." - Hawkeye "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Captain Picard3

hell as a concept is justified in the mean that existence is a true fact

what we know is that any is always more the same any

so since existence is always only true then when any is evil so enjoy ruining true points it must kept being forced down out of absolute existence reality

true reality must b free out of absolute objective fact, so reality will b out of different points freely meeting on the base of sameness fact, then a lot of truths would b known objectively, which would b the reason of positive conscious freedom too which is surely the opening to truth existence superior standards
from the clarity of knowing how to see absolutely absolutes values in the present freedom superiority including oneself free mean realisations

u would read this of what u could gain from, so it is nothing but an invention of mine from what i can do it

the point is about hell justification so the plus is only invented to prove that negative is known so what is said about it is true

i imagine hell more in being possessed means contrary to being free as a right

What's the worst crime you could imagine? Probably something along the lines of mass murder with mass torture involved. From the perspective of hell believers, murder isn't really murder because you never really die. You simply pass on to the afterlife. So how bad is that really from their perspective anyway? It's seriousness shrinks somewhat compared with the atheist view that life is taken for eternity. So, while murder is bad to the believer, I don't see how it possibly justifies eternal torture of the worst degree possible. The same with the mass torture part of the crime. Short-term (relatively speaking) torture compared with eternal torture? Um, no. Even if you add together the time tortured for all the victims and throw in a few extra hundred years for more punishment, it's still not even a spec in time compared with eternity.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.

(12-09-2013 10:35 AM)unsapien Wrote: The very concept of an eternity of any thing would be hell in and of itself. Somewhere on youtube there is a video (done by AronRa I think) talking about the idea of eternal life. I tried to quickly search for it but couldn't find it.

Firstly, the christian concept of heaven would be hell for me anyway, how fast do you think you'll get bored constantly praising god's name, 10 minutes maybe?

But even if there was an eternal life where you could maybe just float around watching the universe unfold. How long until that gets stale?

The first 1000 years are interesting, lots of things to see, but even then you start to see things repeating themselves, wars, peace, nations rising and falling, history starting to repeat itself.

Then the next 10000 years? You get to witness evolution, which might be kind of neat but what do you really do you get to see? A bird's beak gets a little longer or shorter, some mammal's fur gets darker or lighter or spotted.

Then 1,000,000 years.
Then 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000?
What about after 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years?

After the possible heat death of the universe when there is nothing left to look at, not even any light to see by, just eternal consciousness in a black void.

When I was maybe 14-15 years old, I had a chain of thoughts that convinced me at that time that this is exactly what is going to happen to me. Not in heaven or hell, just being around for eternity after my death, and I would imagine exactly what you just said . Back then I would get a stomachache from the mere thought. Anyone who thinks of heaven as enjoyable didn't really think about it that much.

The thought that the only thing that will actually remain of me are the atoms that constitute my body, and maybe memories that others will have of me, is much more benign than heaven.

(12-09-2013 10:43 AM)absols Wrote: hell as a concept is justified in the mean that existence is a true fact

what we know is that any is always more the same any

so since existence is always only true then when any is evil so enjoy ruining true points it must kept being forced down out of absolute existence reality

true reality must b free out of absolute objective fact, so reality will b out of different points freely meeting on the base of sameness fact, then a lot of truths would b known objectively, which would b the reason of positive conscious freedom too which is surely the opening to truth existence superior standards
from the clarity of knowing how to see absolutely absolutes values in the present freedom superiority including oneself free mean realisations

u would read this of what u could gain from, so it is nothing but an invention of mine from what i can do it

the point is about hell justification so the plus is only invented to prove that negative is known so what is said about it is true

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.

Given the context, you would necessarily enjoy the process. By definition.

Slaves who enjoy it... scary...

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.