Monday, August 5, 2013

Libertarian Nativists: Hey! That's us!!

QUOTE OF THE DAY!!Star Spangled Americanism + individual liberty and free markets; what's not to love?by Eric Dondero Hyper liberal Peter Beinhart nails it this morning, in his Daily Beast column, "Why the Tea Party Is a Nativist Libertarian Movement." Of course, there's the typical snarks and disses. But among all the ideological leftism, this gem:

many Tea Partiers don’t only fear government intrusion; they also fear people they consider alien or militant. They are not only libertarians. They’re nativists too. (Emphasis added.)

Are you saying then the Libertarian Defense Caucus never existed? Hospers is just a figure of my imagination. Darlene Brinks and Mike Dunn never existed? Cliff Thies was a member of some fake made up group in the 1980s?

Secondly, if pro-military libertines are not "libertarians," than what's the name for such a classification?

Military libertines should just cede the term libertarian to the leftists simply because Rothbard, Bergland and Raimondo was successful at the 1975 Libertarian Party platform committee hearings at eliminating the pro-defense planks?

Because of some stupid ass LP platform committee meeting 40 fucking years ago, that we lost, us pro-defensers should just give up on the term "libertarian."

But the more likely term would be "libertine progressive," since y'all openly take your cue from the first great American proto-fascist, Theodore Roosevelt, founder of American progressivism, and his successor, Woodrow Wilson.

"Military libertines should just cede the term libertarian to the leftists"

" statist-leftists in the mold of Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Leon Trotskiy"

You can compare a person who believe in largely unregulated free markets, personal freedom, and an interventionist foreign policy to these three men (who, by the way, have little in common)? With a straight face?

Okay, you guys understand "nativist" is synonymous with anti-immigrant, not patriotism, don't you? Like the Know-Nothings, the KKK, and related groups? This is a form of protectionism, inconsistent with free market principles. I haven't read the DB piece but it's a smear. The red meat anti-immigrants have tried to co-opt the Tea Party, but what legitimate libertarian wants to serve under the INS bureaucracy?

Umm, for the record, I much prefer privatized military. At the very lease, we should have a check-off box on tax return forms to allow people to opt out of funding the fight against America's enemies.

I don't think for example, that fascists in the US in the 1930s and 40s should have been required to fund the fight against Hitler.

Similarly, Muslims living in the US should not be forced to fight against the Islamo-Nazis of today. So, they should have the right to support Naziism if they want by not paying for the US military through their income taxes.

Hey Tom, if Mexicans have the right to vote in US elections, shouldn't I be granted the right to vote in Mexican elections? I mean, you advocate abolishing the border.

I live a mere 6 hour drive from Matamoros, Mexico. Straight down Hwy. 59 from Houston. Shouldn't I have the right to decide who the mayor of Matamoros is? The local congressional deputy who represents Matamoros in Mexico City? The local dog catcher?

Be consistent Tom. You advocate allowing 30 million Mexicans to vote in US elections. A healthy chunk of them here in south Texas.

Why shouldn't I have the same right as they do?

Oh, I guess I'm white, right? So, I'm inferior and I don't get the same rights as Hispanics? Oh, I'm a Jew too. Double-whammy against me, in Tom Knapp's America, or "North America without borders" that is.

Eric, "nobody here is anti-immigrant, but..." sounds an awful lot like "some of my best friends are black". It was idiotic Congress in the 1920's whom decided to reduce immigration to unrealistic, corrupt quotas. Immigration had helped power us to a world economic power. No credible economist opposes liberalized immigration--high or low-skill level We have an aging society, with an anemic birthrate. The population base is a driver of economic growth; we want to treat people like criminals because they have to work around economic-retarded quota systems?