This is a discussion on $10 NLHE 6-max: small 3b w/ nut flush OTR, get 4b AI straight flush possible. super weird spot within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; 122 hands with villain. from what ive seen so far hes respectable, for sure one of the better 10NL players. Hes running at 21/21, 3b

122 hands with villain. from what ive seen so far hes respectable, for sure one of the better 10NL players. Hes running at 21/21, 3b vs steal from SB 17% so suited connectors definitely in his range- super weird though that he doesnt barrel flop if hes holding 4d5d and just that theres no action at all til the river. i dunno, what do you guys reckon? its just so got damn polarized....
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i think you should probably just shove instead of the little min 3bet thing, try and get him to call QQ, obv never folding but he could have 45s here yeah, dont mind him checking the flop really with 45s, one of you two others are very likely to have an A and probably arent folding

#3

1st September 2012, 3:01 AM

youregoodmate [2,683]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: NLHE

Yeah not a big fan of the small 3 bet, he has such a polarised range that you may as well raise a decent amount and get good value from a Q or J. Not sure about a shove though, I think I'd fold the queen to a shove but not to a smaller bet.

Other than that I guess he has it because of the min river raise and cos youve posted it but you cant fold obv.

he didnt have it, he had QdJs believe it or not. i just thought i was too polarised when i 3b so like every other diamond could snap fold, so i valued him in as much as possible hence the minraise. sososososo weird that he 4b ships 2nd nuts OTR though.

and ye not sure why i didnt bet the flop :\ lol

#6

1st September 2012, 10:05 AM

acky100 [3,523]

Poker at: ZOOM

Game: NLHE

All his weak diamonds probably call your river bet so when he raises just shove imo, more chance of getting a full stack vs a Qd which will crush the times you do the gay raise and just get called by the Qd

#7

1st September 2012, 2:29 PM

youregoodmate [2,683]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by acky100

All his weak diamonds probably call your river bet so when he raises just shove imo, more chance of getting a full stack vs a Qd which will crush the times you do the gay raise and just get called by the Qd

Im not sure the Q is calling a shove. To say its been checked round twice, hero has no real benefit in bluffing into the small pot. So if the villain is decent as jchoop implied, I think he can make the fold knowing that no other diamond would 3 bet shove him.

#8

1st September 2012, 6:22 PM

baudib1 [6,604]

Poker at: Full Tilt

Game: NLHE

Don't think you can ever fold in this spot when starting with 110 BBs or so. The 1 combo SF is just so unlikely especially in a 3-bet pot. I think it'd have to be something like 250+ BBs against a tight player with the Ad on KdQdTd9d board, where a lot of combos of the SF are possible.

No I'm never folding, I think I even said that in chat during the hand lmao. But ye like YGM said, he'd been nothing but a good player, I with out a doubt though a shove would fold out anything but the nuts. I mean I 3b the river, obv I think I'm good and surely he has to know that. Why he shoves over the top with a hand that never beats one that 3bs that river I'll never know

#11

1st September 2012, 9:40 PM

4thandinches [90]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

Game: holdem

If it was for a much greater potential loss of chips or a tournament, I may consider folding. But in your situation, even though I am thinking he could very well have the straight flush, he still has to have 2 cards to do so as opposed to one. Had there been 4 to a straight flush on the board, easy fold. In your spot, snap call.

#12

1st September 2012, 10:44 PM

JCgrind [2,490]

Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: 6Max NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4thandinches

If it was for a much greater potential loss of chips or a tournament, I may consider folding. But in your situation, even though I am thinking he could very well have the straight flush, he still has to have 2 cards to do so as opposed to one. Had there been 4 to a straight flush on the board, easy fold. In your spot, snap call.

Lol... It's not a snap, he 4bs all in on the river after literally no post flop action. What hands does a legit opponent, playing against me (who he surely sees as legit also whether hes paying attention or just looking at stats) do this with? The nut flush you'd imagine, cept I have it. The only one left is the straight flush, or some fair retarded bluff- in his case I guess it was a Vbet and he was infact not a legit player at all.

You never have to fold here, but not even considering your beat here when the river action implies villains range is 99.99% the nuts, is pretty lolbad

And FYI, folding this is a million times more retarded in a tournament than a cash game.

#13

2nd September 2012, 6:35 PM

Deco [2,540]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

Game: NLHE

Villain not betting a a straight flush draw for two streets is far too unfeasible for me to fold.

Bet flop both villain have had the chance to bet their good aces. As played bet turn. I'm fine with the river sizing, seems like you;d have a hard time getting a call from worse. Villains river line is bizarre.

#14

3rd September 2012, 7:07 PM

JCgrind [2,490]

Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: 6Max NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deco

I'm fine with the river sizing, seems like you;d have a hard time getting a call from worse. Villains river line is bizarre.