>>135575107I've already finished it since it was a promise to a friend since this is his favorite anime. Its still a clusterfuck no matter how much he explains stuff to me. But I enjoyed it for what it was, wouldn't recommend Movie 1 to anyone though since it sets up almost nothing.

>>135575328It tell you very little about her character overall and Mikiya is just not even in Movie 1 until like the very end. Anyways, what i meant by it doesn't set much up is basically the plot, the setting, and most of all what is the characters goals. I get it was the first movie out of seven, but I was hoping not to wait until movie 4 for some basic story elements to finally be explained.

>>135575435Movie 1 actually gets better on a rewatch since you basically realize how Shiki was on full dere mode for the entire film worrying over Mikiya's well-being (something that you only see glimpses of in other films). It also sets up the tone and paranormal investigative premise of the series like a random episode from a TV show that you just happen to pick up.

>>135575536>It also sets up the tone and paranormal investigative premise of the series like a random episode from a TV show that you just happen to pick up.To be fair, all the movies do that. So like you said, its more of a movie to go back on after you've watched the series, but if I had to recommend anything to a newcomer is to straight watch Movie 2 and 4 together so you can figure the 5 W's and H right off the bat.Who, What, Where, When, Why, and How.Then you can start with either Movie 3 or Movie 1.

>>135575647The only problem with starting with Movie 2 is that it goes for a very different narrative that's more centralized on the characters than as opposed to actually focusing on the starting premise. The first movie isn't perfect by any means but it purposely introduces the supernatural elements front and center while setting up the general tone of the later stories. That's why Movie 2 quickly follows this up with the actual backstories of the 2 main characters, since it makes up for the purposeful compromise of Movie 1 which focused more on the ponderous/philosophical side of the series.

With Movie 1, you get that Shiki, Mikiya, and Touko are somehow the main characters of a paranormal agency (with Shiki and Mikiya being close somewhat). If you start off with Movie 2, you get a weird romance murder mystery that only gets weirder as supernatural stuff gets introduced in the following movies. Again, Movie 1 isn't the best, but it does its job well enough to set up the rest of the films.

>>135575837The biggest problem with Movie one is that is does almost nothing to pull viewers in to figure out what happens in the next movie. With movie 1 you don't get any context of anything going on. Oh She has eye that can do something? Cool. Her left arm is a fake puppet arm? Okay. Is she a puppet with blood or just human? I don't kno.w She works for maybe a detective office that deal with strange cases that also makes puppets? Alright. Mikiya, is a guy that I think works the same place she does? Who knows.While Movie 1 sets up the tone, it screws up where else and just leaves the viewer going "what?". At least with starting with Movie 2+4 you know the context the characters and the story, not to mention the murder mystery at least pushes the newcomer to keep going to see how it plays out as it ends with a good cliffhanger.

>>135576111That was literally the point though. It was meant to make you question Shiki's overall character and how weird she was while being served up with self-contained supernatural story (hence why it never even explains itself about Shiki). That's also the reason why the narrative was more focused on the antagonist (Kirie) and the suicide plot.

While Movie 2 serves up the characters more closely, it's purposely put in as the "flashback" episode and it really shows in the way it's set up and how it leaves you hanging with what really happened to Shiki. In Movie 3, you're basically led to keep questioning Shiki's moral compass with how murderous she seemed, and the fate of the dual personality thing is further obscured by Shiki casually switching between her feminine and masculine personalities. It's only in Movie 4 that we realize that she's actually lost the masculine half and how in the present timeline (like Movie 3) she's purposely trying to act out both personalities.

So you have weird ghost/suicide story so who are the main characters? Movie 2 comes in to answer just that. So it's weird romance/murder plot but is Shiki really bloodthirsty? And what were her powers about? Movie 3 comes in to answer those question. So Shiki does like murder but what happened to her personalities? Movie 4 answers this and the origin of her powers and it ties it all together as the lead up for Movie 5. Again, love/hate it, KnK works with a purposeful narrative and a lot of it is purposely done the way it is to draw more mystery and intrigue from one movie to the next.

>>135576442You make good arguments on how the movies are structured and I can see why. But I'm going have to disagree as I honest to god wanted to quit watching the series since it just screamed "nothing will be explained until the end" which was partly true since I had to get through 4 different movies to get there. But still I'm the type of guy who at least wants basic information on characters and their motivations pretty early on. Basically what I'm saying is that you can only appreciate Movie 1 after you've gotten to know the meat of the characters, which can only be done with watching movie 2+4. Otherwise I feel like its a boring mess to watch as a newcomer since it doesn't have many fighting scenes (I know its not about the fighting, but a character story) or character interactions to even care about the main characters you're watching. Its frustrating to the viewer and makes them question if they really want to commit to something that couldn't grab them in the first hour. Its fine to make the viewer question things, but don't just throw them into the middle of a timeline and expect them know the characters and the plot right off the bat. Its polarizing to new viewers.

>>135577011Awakening his origin basically unleashed all his past lives/experiences to the present time, causing his entire body to constantly morph until he'll end up devolving into a collective mass of a predatory beast.

His superhuman reflexes were basically the animal traits manifesting through him, hence why he even had golden hair, claws and feline/reptilian eyes by that point.

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