Game designer and miniature gamer fanatic Mack Martin joins us in the donut shop to discuss our thoughts on 40k 8th edition now that we've see the full data sheets for factions and played a few more games.

We run into Prof Geoff Engelstein at Dunk'n Donuts. Turns out when he is not instructing college students on the finer points of game design he's exploring the realm of Virtual Reality. We catch up with him and get his read on the current state of the tech.