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Sorry for my bad English since I am from VIETNAM, I would never think that I was so stupid !!!

Here is my story:

Last week, we went to the Karaoke room, in Vietnam, there are a lot of KAraoke rooms which have prostitutes doing the sex - job, when we come to the room, the girl began to undress and slide her naked body over me, my underwear was still on, but her vaginal rubed on my penis position, I think so...This lasted about 10 minutes and I felt uncomfortable, so I told het to stop, she did hand-job for me until I ejaculated...

During the so called sex , there were not penetration of my penis into her vaginal...But I am so worried that her vaginal fluids may be soaked through my underwear and transmitted HIV... IS there any HIV -cases like me documented ? I am afraid that she was menstrual....I am scared to death...

The short answer is that NO, you could not become infected by the kind of incident you experienced.

It is the vaginal secretions in the cervical area which are the riskiest if a woman is HIV+. Those would not be reaching you in the kind of setting you describe. Additionally, HIV is a fragile virus and not easy to transmit. When you add to that the fact that you weren't even having anything approaching intercourse with your underwear on then it removes any possibility of transmission in the situation. It simply doesn't happen in the manner you have described.

What you do have to remember is to always wear a latex condom everytime you have intercourse. Unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse is the real risk sexually, no matter whether your partner is a professional or a civilian. So condoms are a must everytime.

I cant express my gratitude to your kindness and your time to read and answer my quanstion..

But in my case, if the girl was menstrual, so the risk was higher for the transmission ? I was afraid this because my friend once said that he saw alot of blood on the condom as the intercourse was finished...U know, for the sake of money, many chicks in VIETNAM do not take the days off even they are menstrual...What a pity, what a dirty scene !!!

I am looking forwards to seeing your reply soon.. Hoping that we can bring this bitter - war in to an end in the near future... Kool,

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I remember the detail of the most-stupid action. THat was the girl(naked) sitting on my penis and rubbed! She was rubbing and I was rubbing too (lasted 10-15 mins)... Could this be a risk for me because the vaginal - menstrual fluids could come out soaking thru my underwear and infect me ? I know that HIV was once outside the body but this could last no more than one second !!

I am so scared, ANN...any experts reading PLS answrer me ..MAY BE ia m the only VIETNAMESE in this forum...

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I felt better lastnight with a nonstop sleep, although I slept very little, only 4 hours last night...

Your reply keeps being the sleeping pill to me, I printed this post out, put it on my bed and read it before falling asleep...

But, as you posted :Hiv CANNOT travel through your underware and infect you, whether or not blood is present.

I am wondering that you may misunderstand me, I mean the fluids carried HIV and when it soaked through my underwear, it aslo brought HIV and if the fluid contacted the lining of the urethra inside the penis it also mean that HIV bumped into my urethra section...As you mentioned in the last posts, this section is the most sensitive for the transmission.

I understood exactly what you meant the first time you wrote about it.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Successful transmission occurs INSIDE the human body, as during unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse.

Once the virus is OUTSIDE the human body, like on your underware, it "breaks" to put it simply. When it is broken, it cannot be transmitted and it cannot infect. It is like a fish out of water. It dies. Your underware killed it. Dead. Not infectious.

Now I hope you understand ME. You did not have a risk of hiv infection.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Actually, one viral particle hitting one CD4 cell can transmit the virus. Thats sort of how infection happens. I fail to see your point, as the mechanics of HIV transmission depend on a lot more than exposure to blood.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Could you define the frottage ? Are these scenarios listed frottage too ?

1/ A girl sitting on the penis, she is naked but he is underwear on...She keeps rubbing her vagina against penis, no penetration, but his penis does contact with the vaginal - menstrual fluids....How could you think this is frottage too?2/ A man laying on the girl, his penis rubbes against the vagina, but underwear is still on...frottage too?

3/ If both are naked, they rub their privates against each other, his penis rubs at the door of the vagina, and the vagina is wet, very wet... frottage TOO?

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

1-It can be defined as: No penetration into the vagina, then there is no risk at all.

2-IF your penis just visits outside the vagina, or just touchs, rubs the door of vagina,then NO RISK!

3-HIV can not go along with body fulids thru the underwear....SO, if your undewear is on, no need to WORRY at all

I understand that condom is the most effectinve method to prevent you from STDs, but sometimes frottage is the stupid ation,in fact, I do not want to have a sex, but I was passively involved in that stupid evening...

Long time no see ! I have been so busy and I have been keping try to be busy, just to get rid of the paranoid.....Anxiety is getting the best of me during these days...

Although Expersts have told me not to be worried about the incident, but my mind is not mine at all.....SO yesterday, I took a rapid test and the result came negative..GOOD!!

But I have some questions :1/ If I did have the risk, then I experienced no symptoms at all, and I have the negative rapid test after 41 days ( 42 days are o6 weeks )...Is this test valuable ?

2/ Is there anyone who are negative afteer 06 weeks then turn to positive at the 12-13th week ? Documentes case ?

3/ My test!!! The doctor gave me the details of the test kit. That is Rapid test of HIV 1/2, the procuder is Human, Germany.. the expire date is OCtober-2007...Anyone living in Germany knows this firm( HUMAN ) ? IS this comparable to Determine HIV 1/2 Abbott ?

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I need some more clear explaination why I am worried about getting HIV from sharing FOOD!In HONGKONG or ASIA, people share food mean that you take food from the communal plate by your chopstick and put them into your own bowl...maybe some one uses his chopstick to take the most good looking food and put it into your bowl...

I am a final year student of MEdical College, and I am always been around with patients, sometimes we share food and go karaok together, I am not sure that there are poz ones or not !!

Last six weeks, we had a party in the lab, during the meal, a doctor told some funny stories, and a patient could not resit to laugh, so he spouted a lot rices in to my bowl, I was so stupid, I took the whole food in my bowl down without worrying anything, but the day after, my doctor said that he was a infectious patient( maybe poz ), ..I was so scared, since I took the food down right away after the spout and cough out.....May be one second after the incident only!!

I have the question : IF there is some blood stuck into the food he spouted, ANY RISK of HIV ? since I took them down into my stomach...

Can I ask why you are using different usernames while posting to our forums? Thus far, you have also used huy_skidrow

Please realize that this kind of activity is disrespectful of other forum members, as well as our moderators. People spend a considerable amount of time helping others in these forums. Using multiple accounts is at the very least annoying, if not deceiving and disrespectful of others. It is also against our Terms of Membership which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.

You must realize that the answers won't change, no matter how many names you post under.

I would appreciate a reply to this message, and I hope you will commit to using just one account - preferably your original one. If not, you will be banned from further access to the forums.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I am sorry If I do some thing wrong, since this is a new risk far different from mine...This is the case of my son,, he is 9 months old only and he is growing teeths...He likes biting everything he touchs

HE is very excited about this world, people,.. And last week, when I was busy with my work, left he playing with the people in the park... A stranger came and may be that man loves my son too, my wife allowed that man to hug my son, but my son suddently bit him very very...severely.....that bite was on the wound of that man, and it was bleeding...I saw some drops of blood on the hand,,,, my son may be swallowed all blood, I think so...Because my son gave that man a deep bite right on the healing wound..SO, it is easy to bleed!My question is : If that man is Poz, Is there any risk from bitting him bleeding ? Does Saliva in my sons' mouth kill HIV ? my son is just 9 months old, I am afraid that he is not strong enough to kill HIV in his mouth ?

The saliva in your son's mouth and indeed in everyone's acts as an effective protection against HIV IF it was even present in the person whom your son bit.

Keep your entries in this thread.

Is there professional help available in your area to deal with the emotional aspects of your over-concern about HIV? If so I suggest you seek that out. You are on a slippery slope with these various worries of yours that leads to nowhere healthy.

Thanks for the answer, Experts....I am very grateful for your time to read and reply...

I am afraid that my son is still very small, new-born, so his saliva can not kill HIV in his mouth., And, Is this could be comparable to the case of the transmission from mother to her children via breast-milk..? I see that two cases are not much different....Andy, you are not only professional on HIV but also everything..I had a very difficult time in my life and now, I am worried for my son, we are going to send him to the kintergarden...So much to speak,,,

I am so confused, There is a big difference between breast feeding and your small son biting someone

Please clarify this ! I see that the way some of bloods enter my son's body is the same! His immune system is not fully developed, not strong enough... If this incident happen in the adult, then I see no reason to worry..

Since I have been very busy, I have been away from home, working in the rural area, no internet, no friends....So I ve been unable to get updated!

YEs, some months has passin by, but the day I got involved in the incident really change my views on life, I would be more helful if someone seeks help from me, everyday, I try to do a favor to anyone without looking for a return......

BUt, I return to this home, seeking help from you...

I have some trouble, I need your help.

Although you establish that HIV could transmit in three ways: Unprotected sexual intercourse, used syringes, and blood transfusion ..But I have one question:

Could HIV transmis via contaminated food and drink?

IF there is a man who is poz, and he tries to infect the rest of the world by putting a copious ammount of blood into the food, could this pose a threat to me ?

This seems to be a silly question, but I am in a big troulbe...

Last week, I was having lunch in the restaurant, and I went to toilet, left my food ( including noodle, coffice) uncared, as I went back, I drank a glass of iced-white coffice, and the bowl of noodle....left nothing...

But when I paid and tipped, the waiter said that there was a man who looked very... suspicious, he came near my table and maybe put something into my bowl, my glass of coffice. The waiter was kind and polite.

I was shocked, because I mentioned HIV right away...

If the man intentionaly tried to put a copious ammount of HIV infected blood into my bowl, my drink, and I ate that bowl, drank the glass of coffice right away, could this situation put me at a risk? Does HIV live outside the body for more than 1 seconds ? And Could the food, the glass of iced-white-coffice kill off HIV ?and I was a little afraid since the temperature, stuff, .,.. in a cup of iced- white coffice was not deadful to HIV... IN fact, May be this glass of coffice, containing milk, sugar, the cold temperature of ice, are good to HIV to remain ALIVE...

I do not mention the effectiveness of saliva in my mouth because when I was at home and looked at the mirror, I realised that I have some rotten teeth ? IF HIV was still alive and brought into my mouth, I was scared to death since HIV could transmiss via my rotten teeth....

You already know the routes of hiv transmission. Via food is NOT one of them. No way, no how.

Your intense hiv anxieties are beyond the scope of this forum. Please seek some face to face help in the form of counseling for your anxieties. We cannot do that for you here. If it takes giving you a time out to encourage you to get the face-to-face help you need, then that can be arranged. Please consider yourself warned.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

On 1st, OCtober, 2006. I was stuck by a used syringe as I was playing football. The needle was still fresh, I know this is a risk for HIV..

I planned to get tested six weeks post exposure, but on 6th, October, 2006, I was beaten by a strange dog, so i went to the hospital then the doctors took the Rabies vaccine for me, I took 06 shotser, plus one shot of SAT vaccine.

I monitored my boidy during two months, and I experienced no fever- no rash-swollen lymphs at all, because I know ARS can occur during this period, but I see nothing...

I plan to take a HIV test, but I am worried, I have two questions:

1-Does the two vaccines make my sero-conversion longer ? I mean if I had not taken the vaccines, the frame required is 13 weeks post exposure, but it can be 06 -12 months in my case ?

2-When I took the vaccines, of course, my body would produce anti-body agaisnt Rabies, Does rapid tests confuse this anti-body with HIV anti-body? I mean my Determine test could react to Rabies-antibody and lead to poz-result....

3-The syringe that stuck me seemed to be a insulin, because its color was red,but not blood. I comfirmed that it had been outside for 05 minutes, but the temperature in the room was cold, very cold. Can HIV live in the syringe for five minutes in the cold-Air-conditioned room? It was very air-tighted.

And I experienced no symtomp at all since the exposure..............( 07 weeks)

But I am wondering why I was not at risk, because when you pump insulin into your vein, there must be some blood left inside the syringre... I think so, then when I was stuck by that syringe, it must be a real-exposure to HIV...

I do not see the difference between using -sharing the needle for drugs and being stuck by the syringe used to pump insulin. Pumping insulin into the body, and pumping drugs into the vein, Could you give me some explantion? I am very scared since the two vaccines in my body could lead me to the false test-result, that my rapid-test could confuse the anti-bodies...........

PLS help me, EXPERTS, I am so scared-confused...

IF i am infected, then two vaccines against RAbie- SAT are active, could I experience ARS? I see nothing like ARS in the two months at all!

People do not become infected with hiv through needles left lying around. It's an urban myth. You didn't have a risk for hiv infection.

You are still under the time out warning I gave you earlier. Keep posting repeatedly over no-risk events and I will give you a time out. There's nothing more we can do for you here. Go get the face to face help you need with your anxieties.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Lastnight, two girls knocked my door and she invited me to have sex, but I did not want to have vaginal intercourse. I am afraid of HIV.But my boss wanted to have sex with one of the two, if I did not do, he would be ashame and fear that I would tell the story to others.. SO I said OK but no penetration.

She gave me hand-job, then I climbed up to her body, rubbed my penis agaisnt her breast. then I ejaculated.

I did not penetrated her vagina...

I am afraid that if there was some cuts or wounds in her breast, then my penis rubbed against them, so her blood could contact to my penis...