Guantanamo Inmates Could Be Moved To US Jails

The Guantanamo Bay detention centre could be closed and the 166 inmates could be sent to prisons in the US, according to a new government report.

"This report demonstrates that if the political will exists, we could finally close Guantanamo without imperilling our national security," said Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein, the Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman who released the recommendations.

Yeah so. Don't let the fear mongers put the fear in you. These are not evil geniuses with death rays. They put a bomb in a back pack. Walk in somewhere and blow themselves up. They are not very smart. They won't create an elaborate Oceans 11 style plan to escape.

Yeah so. Don't let the fear mongers put the fear in you. These are not evil geniuses with death rays. They put a bomb in a back pack. Walk in somewhere and blow themselves up. They are not very smart. They won't create an elaborate Oceans 11 style plan to escape.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13686909

That isn't the threat.

The threat is that once they are in civilian custody in US jails, they will have infinite tax payer-funded legal resources to fuck with us from the inside. Endless appeals, ACLU suits, etc. Holder and Obama see these pricks as oppressed victims.

Yeah so. Don't let the fear mongers put the fear in you. These are not evil geniuses with death rays. They put a bomb in a back pack. Walk in somewhere and blow themselves up. They are not very smart. They won't create an elaborate Oceans 11 style plan to escape.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13686909

The threat is that once they are in civilian custody in US jails, they will have infinite tax payer-funded legal resources to fuck with us from the inside. Endless appeals, ACLU suits, etc.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Just because they move locations, doesn't mean their status as an enemy combatant changes. We already have hundreds of "terrorists", conspirators, and suspected terrorists already held in federal prisons.

Yeah so. Don't let the fear mongers put the fear in you. These are not evil geniuses with death rays. They put a bomb in a back pack. Walk in somewhere and blow themselves up. They are not very smart. They won't create an elaborate Oceans 11 style plan to escape.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13686909

The threat is that once they are in civilian custody in US jails, they will have infinite tax payer-funded legal resources to fuck with us from the inside. Endless appeals, ACLU suits, etc.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Just because they move locations, doesn't mean their status as an enemy combatant changes. We already have hundreds of "terrorists", conspirators, and suspected terrorists already held in federal prisons.

Yeah so. Don't let the fear mongers put the fear in you. These are not evil geniuses with death rays. They put a bomb in a back pack. Walk in somewhere and blow themselves up. They are not very smart. They won't create an elaborate Oceans 11 style plan to escape.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13686909

The threat is that once they are in civilian custody in US jails, they will have infinite tax payer-funded legal resources to fuck with us from the inside. Endless appeals, ACLU suits, etc.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Just because they move locations, doesn't mean their status as an enemy combatant changes. We already have hundreds of "terrorists", conspirators, and suspected terrorists already held in federal prisons.

The threat is that once they are in civilian custody in US jails, they will have infinite tax payer-funded legal resources to fuck with us from the inside. Endless appeals, ACLU suits, etc.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Just because they move locations, doesn't mean their status as an enemy combatant changes. We already have hundreds of "terrorists", conspirators, and suspected terrorists already held in federal prisons.

But the money isn’t the worst of it. Moving the detainees into the United States would greatly increase the likelihood that federal judges will order some of them released here.

Though the nation’s attention has been focused on the administration’s absurd decision to grant the 9/11 plotters a trial in the civilian justice system, the fact is that many, if not most, of the remaining Gitmo detainees will not face a trial of any kind. They are being held under the laws of war, which permit the detention of enemy operatives until the conclusion of hostilities. The threat they pose is terrible, but it is known to us mostly through foreign intelligence that may not be used in trial proceedings.

This was not a problem in America’s prior wars. Handling enemy prisoners was properly considered a military matter. In this war, activist judges urged on by left-wing lawyers have taken on an oversight role: the power, codified by Congress in the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, to review the legitimacy of military detention. Many civilian judges are fundamentally hostile to the concept of indefinite detention under wartime protocols that do not require proof of a crime. With no political accountability to the voters whose lives are at stake, and no guidance from Congress regarding the rules for these detention proceedings, judges have made abominable rulings, vacating the combatant designations of detainees who were trained in terror camps and clearly connected to the jihadist network.

So far, these rulings have not resulted in detainees’ being released in the United States. But that is only because, at present, the detainees are physically kept outside of the country. In the 2005 Real ID Act, Congress barred aliens who either have been members of terrorist organizations or have received paramilitary training in terrorist camps from entering our nation. Though one judge has tried to order detainees released here regardless, his order was reversed on appeal. Other judges have been hesitant to hold that their power to review detention rulings implies a power to order detainees released, much less released in the United States, in defiance of statutory proscription.

Just because they move locations, doesn't mean their status as an enemy combatant changes. We already have hundreds of "terrorists", conspirators, and suspected terrorists already held in federal prisons.

But the money isn’t the worst of it. Moving the detainees into the United States would greatly increase the likelihood that federal judges will order some of them released here.

Though the nation’s attention has been focused on the administration’s absurd decision to grant the 9/11 plotters a trial in the civilian justice system, the fact is that many, if not most, of the remaining Gitmo detainees will not face a trial of any kind. They are being held under the laws of war, which permit the detention of enemy operatives until the conclusion of hostilities. The threat they pose is terrible, but it is known to us mostly through foreign intelligence that may not be used in trial proceedings.

This was not a problem in America’s prior wars. Handling enemy prisoners was properly considered a military matter. In this war, activist judges urged on by left-wing lawyers have taken on an oversight role: the power, codified by Congress in the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, to review the legitimacy of military detention. Many civilian judges are fundamentally hostile to the concept of indefinite detention under wartime protocols that do not require proof of a crime. With no political accountability to the voters whose lives are at stake, and no guidance from Congress regarding the rules for these detention proceedings, judges have made abominable rulings, vacating the combatant designations of detainees who were trained in terror camps and clearly connected to the jihadist network.

So far, these rulings have not resulted in detainees’ being released in the United States. But that is only because, at present, the detainees are physically kept outside of the country. In the 2005 Real ID Act, Congress barred aliens who either have been members of terrorist organizations or have received paramilitary training in terrorist camps from entering our nation. Though one judge has tried to order detainees released here regardless, his order was reversed on appeal. Other judges have been hesitant to hold that their power to review detention rulings implies a power to order detainees released, much less released in the United States, in defiance of statutory proscription.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Sorry, but the scare-mongering isn't going to work with me.

We house hundreds of terrorists currently in federal prisons. No one has become radicalized by them.

Those held in Gitmo already have the statutory right to file a petition for a writ of habeas corpus, to challenge their detention. Also, if at a CSRT hearing, it is determined that they are not enemy combatants, they are to be released to their country of citizenship or dealt with in accordance to foreign policy.

So, the scare-mongering belief that the courts are going to release them to run amok in the US is laughable.

Those that get released, are released because they were deemed not to be enemy combatants.

Well, if they have been convicted of actual crimes agains the US, then they belong in US prisons, and yes they should bloody well have access to avenues of appeal and due process. This made-up "enemy combatant" bullshit is just an end-run around actually having to prove that any of these people even did anything wrong.

Despite promises to close Guantanamo Bay, Washington is now preparing to invest tens of millions into renovating the controversial facility's infrastructure.

­The Pentagon is planning to install a $40-million fiber optic cable at Guantanamo, and the base's commanders say such a long term investment in infrastructure makes sense only if the US intends to continue operating the base. [link to rt.com]

Well, if they have been convicted of actual crimes agains the US, then they belong in US prisons, and yes they should bloody well have access to avenues of appeal and due process. This made-up "enemy combatant" bullshit is just an end-run around actually having to prove that any of these people even did anything wrong.

These men are no more of a problem than the gangs that currently run free and control certain sections of cities.

Quoting: Sneetch

^this.

The most common, and widely used excuse for not transferring detainees to U.S. prisons (in the government's own words) has been and continues to be the fear of radicalization of prisoners.

Unfortunately for the government, that idea has been shot down time after time not only by academics in the field of corrections, but even practitioners within the same field.

Their argument falls along the same lines of the "think of the children" people. They instill a irrational fear into the public (which is aided by sensationalized media) to sway public opinion in their favor.

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