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Re: Miracle Marijuana

Originally Posted by Zyphlin

As I tell many of the conservatives on this site that can't stand me...

If I can not hold the side I am on to the highest of standards what right do I have in telling the other side that they're wrong. If I can not, and do not, point out the ridiculous or highly questionable arguments and statements of my side what right do I have in telling the other side they're wrong. And more over that I will not sit by and idlely twiddle my thumbs while those on my side make me look like I'm in league with a bunch of raving lunatics just out of the nature of being on the same "team".

If people come in here making accusations weed turns people into mindless killers, that weed is 10 times more dangerous than alcohol in every way, that permanently rots away the brain of anyone who smokes it at all, that anyone htat wants it legalized is just a mindless pot head that wants to get high, etc then I'll react just the same. Ignorant, exaggerated, or flat out dishonest statements from either side need to be confronted if there's ever going to be a legitimate chance for legalization to come to fruition in this country.

Wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately is is the zealousness that gets noticed and is what also turns away those who are either already on your side, or those who are on the fence and could be easily swayed by a simple rational argument that supports the case. There are a few posters who cannot seem to see that they atrr arguing their case to people who for the most part are already on their side -albeit for different reasons. The arguments they make do not help, they hinder.

Really it is not a difficult argument, here it is distilled to 6 words (and 2 symbols):

Re: Miracle Marijuana

Originally Posted by Skateguy

Pot is not a crutch, and it's not a place to hide. If anything, it is like looking at the World through a microscope. I don't blame people for fearing their own minds. the thought of expanding it is probably more than they can bear.

That's ridiculous. For some it's a crutch. For some it's recreation. Those who chose not to use are not afraid of it... that's a pot smokers fallacy, same thing as conservatives who erroneously claim that liberals are afraid of Palin. There are plenty of ways to expand ones mind. Some just choose to do it without the side effects of pot.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Miracle Marijuana

Originally Posted by marduc

He tells you he is in favor of legalization and you then respond with this?

You are not helping any by ostracizing and attacking those who are sympathetic to your cause you know. Zyphlin's points are valid, and if anything you should take them as constructive criticism. Instead you double down at the irrational zealous mode.. really.. just do yourself -and others- a favor and stop.

Like Zyph, when I see someone making an argument that misrepresents reality, I always tell them how it weakens their position... especially if I agree with them. Glorifying marijuana is a complete misrepresentation. If one has to lie and omit in order to prove their point, their point isn't very strong to begin with.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Miracle Marijuana

Originally Posted by marduc

Wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately is is the zealousness that gets noticed and is what also turns away those who are either already on your side, or those who are on the fence and could be easily swayed by a simple rational argument that supports the case. There are a few posters who cannot seem to see that they atrr arguing their case to people who for the most part are already on their side -albeit for different reasons. The arguments they make do not help, they hinder.

Really it is not a difficult argument, here it is distilled to 6 words (and 2 symbols):

prohibition = drug anarchy
legalization = drug control

Extremists always seem to have the loudest voices. They also tend to most uninformed.

This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.

Originally Posted by Wessexman

See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.

Originally Posted by ernst barkmann

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Re: Miracle Marijuana

All that proves is that certain painkillers are more addictive than weed... which is true and I've already said. It does NOT however, demonstrate that weed is NOT addictive.

I still think the addiction is primarily psychosomatic :P

I have looked and looked for evidence one way or the other, and I have not seen anything conclusive, although you have better access to information and the latest papers on the subject than I - it seems odd that if there were conclusive studies they would be waved around and touted, especially by the ONDCP.

This is an old argument, and moot point though, even if it is physically addicting it changes nothing as far as the argument for its legalization goes, it is nothing but a red herring.

Re: Miracle Marijuana

Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy

That's ridiculous. For some it's a crutch. For some it's recreation. Those who chose not to use are not afraid of it... that's a pot smokers fallacy, same thing as conservatives who erroneously claim that liberals are afraid of Palin. There are plenty of ways to expand ones mind. Some just choose to do it without the side effects of pot.

How is it a fallacy, when all we hear is " it is addictive, it will make you do heavy drugs, it will rot yer brain, it will make you think fat gals, look purdy good." and the list goes on. when no one, myself included knows one thing about what another person should do with themselves, nor is it any of their business. Now if a persons "actions" become a problem, then I agree, they should be reined in. but If a Guy wants to blow a bowl of pot, and listen to Mississippi Queen" real loud, let him. It's his life. ---Life can be miserable enough, with out some do gooder looking over your shoulder, to see if yer enjoying your self to much.