--- Quote from: Steve on March 07, 2018, 11:23:43 PM ---At least I know what 'no deal' means. Unsurprisingly it means no deal which means no rights to fly. That's why I know 'no deal' is the boast of feckwittery but hey ho the Rees-Moggaristas just love posturing for such.

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I wanted to think about this for a bit rather than making a knee-jerk reaction…

So, there must be thousands of flights every day that either take off from the EU to non-EU destinations or arrive in the EU from non-EU countries.

Few of those countries have ‘special deals’ with the EU, few of them give the EU access to their fisheries, few of them have regulatory compliance, etc. etc. But it works, the flying thing.

So there is no practical reason why flights from the UK shouldn’t land in the EU, no safety issues, no regulatory issues, etc. We can fly there the day before ‘leave’ there is no earthly reason why we can’t fly there the day after.

The only possible reason why a ‘no deal’ scenario should restrict flights to the EU is a desire by the EU to ‘punish’ the UK and set an example to the EU27. There is no other reasonable explanation why flights to/from the EU should be limited because of access to the UK fisheries, the NI border on any other barrier that the EU is trying to erect…

And who would it ‘punish’…?

Take Cyprus for instance; she has a massive tourist industry based on arrivals from the UK. Every year since before the partition in 1974 thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of tourists from the UK arrive for their summer hols and spend millions of €uros.

A huge industry is based around their arrival each year – hotels, shops, restaurants, bars, water-sports, etc. Even now, I can see fields full of hire cars waiting for the new season to start at the Easter holidays…

How will Cyprus react to being told that they can accept Russian aircraft direct from Moscow (which fly though illegal occupied area airspace to get here) but cannot now accept flights from the UK?

Imagine the effect on the economy, thousands of job losses, business failures, millions of litres of wine and beer un-drunk and a crash in the property market. Apey’s wedding business a distant memory as couples find it too difficult to fly to Cyprus and choose another destination.

How will the economy of the EU react to UK holidaymakers spending their £s in non-EU countries because it is just too difficult to fly there…?

And remember, huge amounts of trans Atlantic flights transit UK airspace. A reciprocal ban on European flights entering UK airspace would cause huge disruption and additional costs to European carriers…

So yeah, if the EU chooses to force the UK into a no-deal situation by making unreasonable demands just because we opted to leave the club then they certainly have it within their powers to impose ‘no fly’ to the EU.

But that isn’t a situation that would be painless to the EU27.

It is however another good reason for leaving.

Steve:
Flights access is one of those areas that should be a non issue as there really is no agenda served by imposing such a harsh hard Brexit but yes technically so many areas go tits up if we really do what Rees-Mogg wants (how could the brilliant William Rees-Mogg have fathered such a snotty self interested shit?)

And if the likes of Boris and Fox continue to taunt the EU with their fuckwittery then who could blame Tusk (the real EU player) if he just said "fuck it, have what you want, call me when you want to say sorry" Yes Cyprus would be hurt by that.

There's a decent Brexit deal to be had if this government stops acting like fuckwits. There is no way Brexit will ever be a great cake and eat it success in anything other than emotional terms but it doesn't have to be a disaster for so many. And while an 8% relative turn down from hard brexit may actually be no difference for most, it'll be utter misery for something like 10% of the UK. And only someone who wants revolution would see that as good.

Sorry but I have very little confidence the May/Boris/Fox gang will ever act sensibly so I prefer a route to a further referendum just like Farage said would be necessary with a 52:48 vote. Not that the Electoral Commission have even yet given a clean bill of health to the last one. Very much the opposite.

The other option is give David Davis a gun and a cast iron alibi. He shoots Fox and Boris, gets May to resign in his favour at gunpoint and he then sacks Dreadsom, Gove etc and negotiates the sensible Brexit deal everyone will dislike a bit but very few will really hate

Barman:

--- Quote from: Steve on March 09, 2018, 09:26:19 PM ---Flights access is one of those areas that should be a non issue as there really is no agenda served by imposing such a harsh hard Brexit but yes technically so many areas go tits up if we really do what Rees-Mogg wants (how could the brilliant William Rees-Mogg have fathered such a snotty self interested shit?)

And if the likes of Boris and Fox continue to taunt the EU with their fuckwittery then who could blame Tusk (the real EU player) if he just said "fuck it, have what you want, call me when you want to say sorry" Yes Cyprus would be hurt by that.

There's a decent Brexit deal to be had if this government stops acting like fuckwits. There is no way Brexit will ever be a great cake and eat it success in anything other than emotional terms but it doesn't have to be a disaster for so many. And while an 8% relative turn down from hard brexit may actually be no difference for most, it'll be utter misery for something like 10% of the UK. And only someone who wants revolution would see that as good.

Sorry but I have very little confidence the May/Boris/Fox gang will ever act sensibly so I prefer a route to a further referendum just like Farage said would be necessary with a 52:48 vote. Not that the Electoral Commission have even yet given a clean bill of health to the last one. Very much the opposite.

The other option is give David Davis a gun and a cast iron alibi. He shoots Fox and Boris, gets May to resign in his favour at gunpoint and he then sacks Dreadsom, Gove etc and negotiates the sensible Brexit deal everyone will dislike a bit but very few will really hate

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So 'no deal' doesn't mean 'no fly' then...? ::)

You remoaners do make I larf... lol:

Steve:

--- Quote from: Barman on March 10, 2018, 06:04:28 AM ------ Quote from: Steve on March 09, 2018, 09:26:19 PM ---Flights access is one of those areas that should be a non issue as there really is no agenda served by imposing such a harsh hard Brexit but yes technically so many areas go tits up if we really do what Rees-Mogg wants (how could the brilliant William Rees-Mogg have fathered such a snotty self interested shit?)

And if the likes of Boris and Fox continue to taunt the EU with their fuckwittery then who could blame Tusk (the real EU player) if he just said "fuck it, have what you want, call me when you want to say sorry" Yes Cyprus would be hurt by that.

There's a decent Brexit deal to be had if this government stops acting like fuckwits. There is no way Brexit will ever be a great cake and eat it success in anything other than emotional terms but it doesn't have to be a disaster for so many. And while an 8% relative turn down from hard brexit may actually be no difference for most, it'll be utter misery for something like 10% of the UK. And only someone who wants revolution would see that as good.

Sorry but I have very little confidence the May/Boris/Fox gang will ever act sensibly so I prefer a route to a further referendum just like Farage said would be necessary with a 52:48 vote. Not that the Electoral Commission have even yet given a clean bill of health to the last one. Very much the opposite.

The other option is give David Davis a gun and a cast iron alibi. He shoots Fox and Boris, gets May to resign in his favour at gunpoint and he then sacks Dreadsom, Gove etc and negotiates the sensible Brexit deal everyone will dislike a bit but very few will really hate

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So 'no deal' doesn't mean 'no fly' then...? ::) . . .

--- End quote ---Read it again - no deal as in "who could blame Tusk (the real EU player) if he just said "fuck it, have what you want, call me when you want to say sorry" very much means no fly