SparkFun Electronics Commentsurn:uuid:214d0e4e-f1b1-d287-ce26-ac5b4c9f82492015-03-31T14:49:43-06:00SparkFun ElectronicsCustomer #329465 on OSHW LogoCustomer #329465urn:uuid:71dddbbe-bbbe-6842-7b00-513e13ef16e12013-07-29T16:03:19-06:00<p>I spent ages working out what that meant before finding this page. The best I could come up with was Oh Shit, How, Why ?!?</p>The Zaltair Fan Club on OSHW LogoThe Zaltair Fan Cluburn:uuid:86ac0994-191f-1ecc-81b5-f980e26cf14b2011-04-21T15:55:59-06:00<p>Check out this revision I made to it due to the bad kerning.<br/>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/61998380@N07/" rel="nofollow" >The Revision</a></p>swort on OSHW Logosworturn:uuid:75ace2f2-40e0-ef16-48ec-84d7d0ef3c7d2011-04-21T10:59:40-06:00<p>Why choose a lock inside a gear for &ldquo;open&rdquo; hardware? (while it&rsquo;s locked)</p>Customer #150164 on OSHW LogoCustomer #150164urn:uuid:b53f4ae7-8642-720c-2642-208f70d4492e2011-04-20T20:42:53-06:00<p>I love Open Source Hardware and Software so I made a 3D copy of the logo, added some lights and uploaded a 3D render on the Open Hardware Summit Forum on the &ldquo;this thread&rdquo; linked by Eric-Montreal in his post above.</p>Customer #150164 on OSHW LogoCustomer #150164urn:uuid:7b05ff46-84df-96f9-117c-5c8466165ff92011-04-20T20:06:12-06:00<p>Actually, I am a Mechanical Engineer and there are many applications that use gears like that. There are even asymmetrical gears that are non-circular.</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:95901d0c-aad1-abac-f6d5-61558f67d3f42011-04-20T17:50:16-06:00<p>Looks like I took a bad example, I should have researched better ;-)<br/>
The point was that the logo, if trademarked and enforced, can become a very useful tool to enforce the OSHW compliant licenses.</p>makomk on OSHW Logomakomkurn:uuid:1c47ca01-7a7e-b1e2-2bbd-5e6deda38b272011-04-20T17:20:49-06:00<p>Perhaps ironically, the Teensy clones are probably more open than the Teensy itself. Teensy famously uses a proprietary bootloader for which not even the binary is available. (Meaning that, amongst other things, if you start off prototyping using it and then build a custom board you have to use a different bootloader speaking a different protocol on your own board. This may also require changes to your code.)<br/>
The Teensy clones apparently use the standard Atmel bootloader. That&rsquo;s publicly available, fully documented, and and there&rsquo;s an 100% compatible open source equivalent.<br/>
I bought a genuine Minimus AVR 32 rather than the Teensy partly because of this, though also because of the cost of shipping from the US.</p>stickman76 on OSHW Logostickman76urn:uuid:811a6cc4-e5b6-fefe-54b0-c27e9a8609ee2011-04-20T16:27:01-06:00<p>LOL You people need a girlfriend!! lol</p>dbc on OSHW Logodbcurn:uuid:f1e473d1-9fb1-4856-f085-734cff81a9ad2011-04-19T17:29:26-06:00<p>Much more importantly, how about gEDA and KiCAD versions of the logo &ndash; you know <em>open</em> <em>source</em> EDA tools. Why does everyone insist on using closed-source cripple-ware to design open hardware projects when good open alternatives exist?</p>EvanTeitelman on OSHW LogoEvanTeitelmanurn:uuid:7aa59fe8-f5a3-6c50-ffc0-984ac81baf772011-04-19T15:10:57-06:00<p>I like that one as well. It is simple and easy to reproduce.</p>Ben9 on OSHW LogoBen9urn:uuid:a0617169-333c-ed65-a366-322ec37cb39b2011-04-19T13:10:58-06:00<p>So wait, the logo is essentially a defective gear? Does anyone else find it sad that the logo allows for the alternate interpretation of &ldquo;open hardware results in something that probably won&rsquo;t work well&rdquo;?</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:8bfb86ad-ff7c-72a6-5c90-0ba74d6446482011-04-19T13:00:24-06:00<p>I&rsquo;ll give you just an exemple. PJRC is the maker of the <a href="http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/index.html" rel="nofollow" >Teensy</a>, a clever Arduino derivative design, and while not strictly OSHW (as it predates it) he&rsquo;s somewhat close and gives away schematic diagrams, etc &hellip;<br/>
His design was <a href="http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/counterfeit.html" rel="nofollow" >counterfeit</a> in China and sold on EBay.<br/>
It&rsquo;s clear PJRC is no big business, so the risk for counterfeiters is nearly zero.<br/>
Now suppose he released it in a OSHW compliant manner and the logo is trademarked and enforced. Would the Chinese seller and it&rsquo;s retailers use the counterfeit logo, still not respect the &ldquo;BY&rdquo; clause by illegally associating themselves in the design (their website on the box), not respect the &ldquo;NC&rdquo; clause, and risk all shipments from their distributors being blocked by customs for inspection and seized in most countries ?</p>
<h2>They could still sell it without the logo, but then everyone would know it&rsquo;s a fake, and most would not take the risk to buy it. </h2>
<p>You also mention it&rsquo;s just between geeks (or is it 933k5 ?) and at this point, it might not seem very important, but if the OSHW movement caches on like open Source Software does, this will change (else the whole thing will not really matter anyways). Imagine a few years from now if anyone can get their furnitures either at Ikea or use open source plans and have them cut in their local CNC shop. Some will hate that and fight it hard, that&rsquo;s when solid legal foundations become important and it&rsquo;s way too late to start thinking about it.</p>BlackJester on OSHW LogoBlackJesterurn:uuid:69e7c122-208b-66c5-02d6-4696959d85f12011-04-19T09:11:40-06:00<p>While I can understand why companies would like people to think that their products are more eco-friendly or fair than they may actually be, what possible benefit could a company get from &ldquo;pretending&rdquo; that their product is open source? It is like releasing something under creative commons, but then trying to go after people who use your work.<br/>
The worst thing I could think of is claiming that something is open source and then not really providing any details, or inaccurate details. But seriously, what would be the point? To get 1337&rsquo;s or geeks like us to buy their product? We&rsquo;ll know soon enough if the plans aren&rsquo;t provided.</p>logicafuzzy on OSHW Logologicafuzzyurn:uuid:aebad5ed-fd95-5561-e636-91fe94aa98ba2011-04-19T03:58:23-06:00<p>I like your version!</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:067f8fb2-ff20-9c8f-f3f3-971f6d00216c2011-04-18T19:29:47-06:00<p>You can find it <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/2011/04/08/eagle-files-for-the-open-hardware-logo/" rel="nofollow" >here on openhardwaresummit.org</a> and you can even get it as almost <a href="http://www.mrdecals.com/free/OSHW" rel="nofollow" >free decals</a> !</p>Jeremy1998 on OSHW LogoJeremy1998urn:uuid:77f5ebbe-e141-596e-e4b2-660723516e352011-04-18T18:09:14-06:00<p>That looks perfect. I would just swap it out for that one if I was them.</p>Aasanchez on OSHW LogoAasanchezurn:uuid:604d4851-f4ed-edc4-629f-e2e84dc4d98d2011-04-18T18:01:16-06:00<p>Anyone have eagle part for this logo..</p>TimCole on OSHW LogoTimColeurn:uuid:94ebbfaa-0698-9223-0a6d-d3cb7cbe2a892011-04-18T17:31:35-06:00<p>What might work is to specify that the text is optional.</p>TimCole on OSHW LogoTimColeurn:uuid:91a3a59c-434d-f0e2-6204-912d09cf025c2011-04-18T17:29:37-06:00<p>Yes, I like the outline, too. You can quibble about how thick to make it, but I think it adds something good to the design.<br/>
As far as color goes &mdash; I am so damned sick of green! For some reason, it&rsquo;s getting overused. ;-)</p>TimCole on OSHW LogoTimColeurn:uuid:e91ffc70-a06f-fc97-9494-abc27d3e82e02011-04-18T17:27:23-06:00<p>I&rsquo;ve got to agree with you about the kerning. It&rsquo;s dreadful, yet easily corrected.</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:95b0b1eb-96bb-fc16-3beb-d71f59d215552011-04-18T17:24:06-06:00<p>By slapping it on non open source hardware, just like some products call themselves &ldquo;Fair trade&rdquo; or &ldquo;green&rdquo; without respecting accepted guidelines, thus raising doubt about what is genuine and what is not.<br/>
Having a trademarked logo allows the logo maintainer to block abusive uses (lawyer cease &amp; desist as a first step and legal procedures) and it&rsquo;s a strong deterrent.</p>BLP on OSHW LogoBLPurn:uuid:65a65ed3-9550-4239-81e4-745af2724ea62011-04-18T16:40:51-06:00<p>Kerning is the relative spacing between letters. Basically, you want the same amount of visual space around each letter.<br/>
There&rsquo;s a poster up here in Pittsburgh for the show ANTIGONE (pronounced Ant-ig-oney) that looks like it&rsquo;s (ANT I GONE) because of how much space is around the I.</p>Hangfire on OSHW LogoHangfireurn:uuid:fb2dac0e-45df-8f9b-cadf-a5b99ebf838b2011-04-18T16:24:45-06:00<p>what the hell is kerning</p>BlackJester on OSHW LogoBlackJesterurn:uuid:ca457e4a-3ee4-a133-6a3c-9d2003ed030e2011-04-18T15:57:19-06:00<p>That is good to know. Although, how could you use an Open Source logo inappropriately?</p>FoxxCommand on OSHW LogoFoxxCommandurn:uuid:9836f997-f9cf-4308-ec19-9f7d581be4c92011-04-18T15:46:37-06:00<p>I really think it would of been a better logo if it was just an icon or something and didn&rsquo;t have any writing at all so you could just simply have the logo silkscreened on the bottom of your PCB hiding in the corner or something but nows there&rsquo;s this uneeded mess with words and what not&hellip;. :/</p>Sam R. on OSHW LogoSam R.urn:uuid:1fd5d9a5-bac0-75e5-9c2a-6942e18ba5172011-04-18T14:44:17-06:00<p>Totally agree. The outline shouldn&rsquo;t be there</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:974e2fb5-6c19-eaf6-815f-8e877ca0e60b2011-04-18T13:42:57-06:00<p>The author encouraged improvements of the design, and it&rsquo;s going on in <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=421" rel="nofollow" >this thread</a>. Kerning corrections (and translated versions) could be presented there.<br/>
However, once it&rsquo;s settled, it would be better to trademark it, just like the OSI did with their logo to prevent inappropriate use.</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:9df08a58-5cc8-8a59-9471-53a9158f058e2011-04-18T13:29:29-06:00<p>Sure, there is the dual licensing (both CC-BY-NC-SA and &ldquo;Talk with us&rdquo;).<br/>
It can work, but it&rsquo;s a negotiation usually wrapped in secrecy, manufacturers don&rsquo;t like the uncertainty, most designers don&rsquo;t like the negotiation process, and I think all would benefit from clear and open rules.<br/>
A simple principle could be royalties, with threshold.<br/>
Such licensing could be expressed that way (just an example) :<br/>
CC-BY-R7+5-SA<br/>
R would mean Royalties, 7 would be 7% of sale price, and the optional 5 would mean free until a total of 50$ in royalties are due (to allow free (beer) test runs or micro scale use).<br/>
That way, the rules would be clear from the start for everyone involved, fair and an integral part of the licence (allows law enforcement/customs to seize unlicensed copies).<br/>
Just my 0.02</p>BlackJester on OSHW LogoBlackJesterurn:uuid:5f44b92c-a823-c2e1-c8f5-316ac183193e2011-04-18T13:23:15-06:00<p>I think the logo works, but it could use a &ldquo;once-over&rdquo; by professionals. As mentioned above, there are some obvious small fixes, but the overall concept is good. I wouldn&rsquo;t say great, but it is unique, simple, clean, and easy to get, and meaningful.<br/>
I think that it was good to have public submissions for the general idea of the logo, but after that, it should be handed over to people who know what they are doing when it comes to industry logos.<br/>
Either that, or you make the logo itself open-source.</p>CF on OSHW LogoCFurn:uuid:4370fae2-2934-d626-bc07-a61f1d2b04d32011-04-18T12:39:49-06:00<p>I liked <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/forum/download/file.php?id=62" rel="nofollow" >this</a> one.</p>AdamTolley on OSHW LogoAdamTolleyurn:uuid:d8f378a3-5147-50ab-ebbc-bac98cc9aa0b2011-04-18T12:34:13-06:00<p>This is a fine logo. It&rsquo;s simple, can be easily taken to one color printing, and is iconic (and importantly to me, it is appropriate for many licensing types).<br/>
Yes the kerning could be better, but that can and will be fixed I am sure.<br/>
The color is a non-issue too, it will likely be one-color screen printed, routed, etched, sewn, burned, cut, etc. anyway.<br/>
I&rsquo;m just glad it&rsquo;s settled, as this is likely the last news post where I will have to wade through copious whining on this particular topic.</p>MisterFuzzy on OSHW LogoMisterFuzzyurn:uuid:a8fb0dec-8fca-f937-da29-1528d4cc223c2011-04-18T12:29:54-06:00<p>Eh. I like it. I&rsquo;ve modified it to see how it&rsquo;d look without the dark blue outline, and I must say it looked AWFUL. Sure, the kerning isn&rsquo;t the best, but it&rsquo;s better than most of the logos that were submitted ( especially the ones that were just MS paint outlines ).</p>Customer #200138 on OSHW LogoCustomer #200138urn:uuid:614f8153-ef87-88af-9e79-c24c6984bf2d2011-04-18T11:30:52-06:00<p>agree, kerning could be better</p>Kamiquasi on OSHW LogoKamiquasiurn:uuid:79c162ff-4bee-594d-3abd-0882f80967402011-04-18T11:25:21-06:00<p>&ldquo;Now back to individual licenses CC-BY-SA or CC-BY-NC-SA are popular, but a mechanism that allows for developers compensation by manufacturers would be welcome &hellip;"<br/>
Those licenses stand entirely free from commercial interest.<br/>
I.e. I can license out an orighinal work as CC-BY-NC-SA -and- at the same time sell that exact same design, commercially, under different terms to an interested manufacturer, as the original design is not use-restricted to the terms of any license.<br/>
Somebody else taking my CC-BY-NC-SA and incorporating that into their design, or building a derivative from it, however, cannot do so as well.</p>Kamiquasi on OSHW LogoKamiquasiurn:uuid:93786bb5-31d8-4ff0-c56a-c5670a8afc1a2011-04-18T11:20:49-06:00<p>I disagree about the dark blue outline. It may be unnecessary, but it adds a slight level of contrast and gives it a wee bit more of an electronics hint (although I respect that the logo isn&rsquo;t intended only for electronics, that sure seems like the primary application); if only it were green ( sorry, not SFE red ;) ).<br/>
I agree on the kerning, though.<br/>
open har dwar e? granted, the type of the &lsquo;r&rsquo; doesn&rsquo;t exactly allow for much tightness, but this looks.. odd.<br/>
Edit: Something like this. Working on low-res image is far from ideal, still a bit tight around the &lsquo;w&rsquo;.<br/>
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2091/ohkerning.jpg</p>TLAlexander on OSHW LogoTLAlexanderurn:uuid:05592fa0-f7dc-334b-3259-b328e124b4262011-04-18T11:18:04-06:00<p>I agree at least about the kerning. In both places there is too much space after the r. And they could open things up around the w.<br/>
People don&rsquo;t realize it, but kerning is a big deal.</p>mbrown9412 on OSHW Logombrown9412urn:uuid:30bd81cf-4fd1-f68d-c0a6-37c4642d6db12011-04-18T10:56:12-06:00<p>BA DUN KSHHHHH</p>mbrown9412 on OSHW Logombrown9412urn:uuid:1895c3f1-e6be-6e3a-0899-5af1feb8fac02011-04-18T10:55:40-06:00<p>Eh, I actually really like it. it&rsquo;s not the one I voted for, but it was one of my top choices. I actually like the way the type is set. I don;t think any of it needs to be tightened, and the &ldquo;e&rdquo; is definitely not wandering off the end.</p>BB on OSHW LogoBBurn:uuid:542b1681-0919-8e86-8b61-8e86ae6087432011-04-18T10:55:00-06:00<p>Bleh, so now we get to suffer that amateurish logo on every one of these OSHW devices? That logo competition was like the 2004 US presidential election where every candidate sucked. Can we at least get a recount?</p>Eric-Montreal on OSHW LogoEric-Montrealurn:uuid:2755903a-e869-2130-f0ec-72f706ebfb702011-04-18T10:30:58-06:00<p>This was the best choice on many levels as it extends the very same open source concepts beyond software.<br/>
Now back to individual licenses CC-BY-SA or CC-BY-NC-SA are popular, but a mechanism that allows for developers compensation by manufacturers would be welcome &hellip;</p>aboe on OSHW Logoaboeurn:uuid:840fe486-dcbf-1a7e-0e04-8d85513b88da2011-04-18T10:18:16-06:00<p>That dark blue outline around the logo is totally unnecessary and the kerning of the type is terrible. Someone with a clue please fix it before it spreads across the world. The space between the &ldquo;ope&rdquo; needs to be tightened up, the space between the &ldquo;r&rdquo; and the &ldquo;d&rdquo; needs tightened up, the &ldquo;dwa&rdquo; needs slightly opened up and the &ldquo;e&rdquo; at the end looks like it&rsquo;s wondering off.</p>