In this episode, Thomas Umstattd talks with Rachael Herron about how she went from writing as a hobby to a full-time author. We specifically talk about how she uses Patreon to connect with her most passionate fans.

In this episode, Thomas Umstattd Jr. talks with bestselling author and podcaster Joanna Penn about how and why to diversify your income. This can’t-miss episode is packed with practical advice from an industry leader.