Feds may be muzzling scientist over Arctic research

Feds may be muzzling scientist over Arctic research

SUMMIT COUNTY — Last summer’s Deepwater Horizon oil-drilling disaster in the Gulf of Mexico clearly showed the conflict between science,
energy policy and politics, and the looming battle over drilling in Arctic waters will be no different, as a watchdog group claims that federal
scientists are being muzzled and harassed over their efforts to disclose potential impacts of energy development in the fragile Arctic marine
environment.

Global warming deniers like to claim that governments are in some unholy collusion with scientists to promote "falsehoods" about the environment and
global warming... well, that's probably true to an extent, but for the EXACT OPPOSITE REASONS that deniers believe it to be.

The more you read/learn about the interactions amongst scientists, governments, and corporations... the more you learn that the scientists are victims
in a system of government which has been hijacked by wealthy/powerful private entities. Essentially... if ANYTHING, scientists are being pushed to
play DOWN the threats of development, resource extraction, fossil fuel use, and anthropogenic global-warming by higher-ups so as not to offend the
plutocrats and the oh-so-infallible markets/industries.

These occurrences are blatantly corrupt, unscientific, and tyrannical. And in a time when we're facing massive ecological collapse... those
responsible should be held to the highest scrutiny, accountability, and public justice. Global warming used to (and ought to) be a scientific and
non-political issue... now it's been falsely transformed into a political/partisan war which guarantees that, no matter how insane the lies are (i.e.
global warming denial), half the country will inevitably consume and regurgitate them without regard to actual facts but instead to an endless,
illusory divide-and-conquer ploy to lock the populace in a bitter stalemate in furtherance of corrupt agendas of the rich/powerful.
IT ENDS NOW.

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak
willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells
ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak
willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells
ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

Absolutely.

If anything, the IPCC reports were too conservative in their predictions. In fact, the field of Climatology is NOT divided on the question of
whether AGW exists... they're all way beyond agreement that it does; they're also way beyond agreement that its consequences will be significantly
dire. However, the REAL divide within Climatology is between scientists who believe consequences of AGW will be pretty bad and those who believe
they'll be hellish.
Alarm bells indeed!

You are so right in your statement - this is exactly what is steering Science but unfortunately it always has done, the only difference now is that
people are beginning to wake up to the fact. We also have quite a few Scientists beginning to retaliate but unfortunately - when it puts food on the
table and pays your bills - your going to think for a very long time before whistleblowing and then when you do - folks won't believe you.

ay i don't understand something here. twice a year some global warming scientist gets busted for obviously making something up and still it must be
true? manbearpig anyone?

scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any
wrongdoing... by the ipcc????

spend 6 months, take a look at the data as a whole, the evidence really isnt there! the real issue here is there are no real controls on what
scientists are aloud to claim as fact. peer-reviewed never meant much but now its totally meaningless. if you're pro gw publish an article in
"stupid humans killed our planet weekly" if you're anti gw? try "to hell with hippies monthly"

at this point the question one must ask isn't IF someone has been brainwashed on this front but WHICH SIDE did the brainwashing. the data is
inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too complex a system to
be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing

We all want to believe that this time, our time is unique. The religious zealots want to tout this is the age of the return of some messiah or mahadi.
The earth worshipers want to believe this is the most critical time for Earth ever. All the same cherry-picking of observations to fit to ego-based
behavior.

True science and math is astonishingly rare in both directions on the climate debate. Research funding-based conclusions for the continuation of their
stream are the norm.

Before you slam me for not hopping on either bandwagon for or against AGW, is there ever any hope of pure science based on absolutes (which there are
few of but do exist). Is there any hope of ever removing the emotional fires from too early conclusions based on fear and funding based agendas? I say
impossible.

".....scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any
wrongdoing... by the ipcc????"

.... the data is inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too
complex a system to be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing"

Two things to think about here. The data was manipulated and the data shows extreme swings in the weather. I contend it goes back to the Electric
Universe theory and the magnetic poles swinging wildly are sympton of the condition. As are the extra number of firing volcanoes and the obvious
uptick in major earthquakes. These things prove to me something external has to be the answer because IMHO man is only capapable of nominal changes at
best to the climate. Cut down a rain forest and you will alter it. Send CO2 out that plants love to use to produce trees and other plants you improve
the planet for all. Nothing could be simpler if the brainwashed would shake off the fact they have tried to accept what are proven deliberate
manipulations. Hockey stick graph believers I suppose would be what those of us who are tired of being called names for harboring a will for the truth
based on true science a scientist can sink his teeth, If I were that type.

I believe my eyes and the data I find at various more scientific sources and it contradicts the IPCC. As well as Al Gore who had access to a car that
runs on water via demonstratably easy to extract H2 and promotes it NOT. Nor does he invest in it at this point.The data says a lot of things changed
on the outer planets and they want to call out what are turning out to be careful, thoughful, real scientist who have numbers that show the real truth
as some kind of global warming deniers? Face it, being able to deny it isn't easy if there is no data to support the claims and there is very
sufficient doubt that these guys from IPCC can tell the truth anymore. They are impeached as sceintist with me and I am a professional
enviromentalist. Flat out lying about data and repressing the scientists data that questions their data is very bad business in a field such as this.
This is NOT Wall St. this is the scientific process being used like a political football. Designs are made from facts and when false data is added to
the mix then wrong conclusions occur. Some are fatal.

Im sorry, but only in the US is global warming a "debate". Everywhere else it is accepted, and i think that has to do wholly with the fact that
there is so much investment and moneyed interests that will be harmed by accepting the gw paradigm here. It is easy to see that man is adding
drastically to the decline in our world. First off there is the massive destruction of our forestation around the world, with much of our forests
already destroyed, our main atmospheric uptakers of CO2 have taken a huge hit contributing greatly to an incremental increase in CO2. Sadly, small
changes in atmospheric CO2 have a serious effect on our oceans due to the gas exchange between water and air, which makes our oceans acidic as they
absorb more CO2 from the air....this has destroyed 90% of our worlds coral reefs....which are the main incubators of all animal life in the ocean.
This alone has made huge changes, read destruction, among the fauna of the ocean, and will become much more evident in the near future as the ocean
becomes less and less an abundant source of food.

Regardless, whether you believe that GW is man assisted or not, that is no excuse for companies and societies to be irresponsible in cleaning up
their messes. Already it is obvious that we destroy much of our environment through our irresponsible destruction of our environment in our pursuit
for profit. When the natives were the only inhabitants of america, they could drink from any river, now all the rivers are poisoned. In many third
world nations, the water, plants, and local wildlife have been contaminated by big industry, leading to illness in those who eat or drink them, with
no one taking responsibility as natives in south america and africa are sickening and dieing. Already rainwater in many areas is considered unfit for
drinking. The main societies controling this are so self absorbed and greedy, with so little social values or responsibility that i imagine it will
be too late before they repent the damage they are doing to our beautiful land.

Originally posted by theXammux
ay i don't understand something here. twice a year some global warming scientist gets busted for obviously making something up and still it must be
true? manbearpig anyone?

scientists at the ipcc were called corrupt when a few of their members were busted for falsifying data. but luckily they were cleared of any
wrongdoing... by the ipcc????

spend 6 months, take a look at the data as a whole, the evidence really isnt there! the real issue here is there are no real controls on what
scientists are aloud to claim as fact. peer-reviewed never meant much but now its totally meaningless. if you're pro gw publish an article in
"stupid humans killed our planet weekly" if you're anti gw? try "to hell with hippies monthly"

at this point the question one must ask isn't IF someone has been brainwashed on this front but WHICH SIDE did the brainwashing. the data is
inconclusive at best, and we can't predict whether or not its going to rain next week. weather, especially global weather is too complex a system to
be easily understood given the laughably small time we've been collecting data. anyone who says otherwise is selling somthing

Crops are failing around the world - and obviously our climate is changing - that's why the really rich guys looted the world and cleaned out
everyone's coffers. From the gold in Fort Knox to every nations' food reserves.

This is the very odd thing isn't it. Anyone doing some research uncovers a watering down of the global warming evidence to fit in with the weak
willed behaviour of politicians bending to the pressure of big money. You would think people, especially those here on ATS would have alarm bells
ringing in their ears no matter what their original belief was.

The level of global warming is being covered up not the other way round.

Absolutely.

If anything, the IPCC reports were too conservative in their predictions. In fact, the field of Climatology is NOT divided on the question of
whether AGW exists... they're all way beyond agreement that it does; they're also way beyond agreement that its consequences will be significantly
dire. However, the REAL divide within Climatology is between scientists who believe consequences of AGW will be pretty bad and those who believe
they'll be hellish.
Alarm bells indeed!

Total BS, this consensus they speak of does not exist. The lines are drawn along funding for research. The "97% agree" stat that the alarmists
keep pushing is bogus, it was an online survey that only about 100 were allowed to vote on.

It will be a slow process, but you will see the cracks if you look for them.

The other part of the debate (see definition of debate, something that has never existed in the alarmist movement) is that even the scientists who buy
into AGW say that there is very little we can do about it. CO2 is a trace gas, and the amount man puts out is a trace of a trace. By the IPCC's own
estimates, if the whole world adopted Kyoto the effect on global temps would be .1degrees reduction at best.

So they want us to completely redo the distribution of energy globally, spend trillions on alternative subsidized energy, and keep the 3rd world in
the 3rd world to save .1 degrees. It's lunacy.

Look at the felons at the CRU. Even they admit that there has been no warming since 1998, it's getting colder, which is why they had to "hide the
decline".

Search "hide the Decline" on youtube, it's done by Minnesotans for Global Warming. It's mostly for fun but it does a good job of showing what
Climategate was all about. It also shows the corrected "hockey stick" graph the IPCC used for 4 years after it was discredited. This one has the
Medieval Warm Period in it, something climate scientists want us to forget.

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