Quote" From the WC guys I know a lot if not most lineages do not have chin na ( or at least don't emphasize it), a few do. But for the most part the WC guys I've trained with did not like most locks as they break WC principles, and those boys do like their principles."

"those boys do like their principles."

Indeed they do. If you go to a leung Ting school you will immediately notice the difference to a Sam kwouk school or a Gary Lam school.They also change the name or put a prefix to differentiate the schools so you have Southern Mantis which is different from Northern mantis..but in Southern mantis you also have Iron Ox, Bamboo forest Mantis, also Ho sin's version of Bamboo forest where you don't practice the forms....it's much easier than saying " MY" Mantis because that doesn't really convey anything..even in Aikido there are different versions and they also give a name so you have Hombu Aikikai , Iwama RYu, Yoshinkan etc..........so you know what you are getting

Indeed they do. If you go to a leung Ting school you will immediately notice the difference to a Sam kwouk school or a Gary Lam school.

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even in Aikido there are different versions and they also give a name so you have Hombu Aikikai , Iwama RYu, Yoshinkan etc..........so you know what you are getting

Indeed.

I learned Tomiki method of aikido - from a former green beret. It is a version where their participants often practiced in rooms with padded walls. You get the picture. All Dr. King's students had black belts in another style before learning from him. If you did not know Sanchin, you weren't readiy. If you didn't have the foundation in body mechanics and if you couldn't come into class knowing how to hit someone (and thus be a good workout partner) then you weren't ready.

It was the farthest thing from "ki aikido" that you can get.

I later worked with the aikikai aikido folks. After Dr. King's baptism by fire, I did not fear the random jerk that wanted to try to hurt me because he had pecking order issues.

The first time I think I heard that it was Kanbun who killed him was in Alan Dollar's book. I think it was related to him from Toyama.

I think if anyone knew what that technique was (since it was supposedly changed in the kata) it would have to be either Toyama or Tomoyose.I suppose it could have been passed down through the Shinjo family also. I might ask Carlos if this is where he heard it.

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