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Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Tsunade's age is 51, but as I said, we have no proof of when she started to use the Yin Seal.
Could've been fairly years before, could've been months before.
But this is no solid proof that Sakura cannot have the seal.

Well, patterns, patterns...
Indeed, in a way they were funny, at least how Naruto fainted, lol.
But that's another thing.

Yea there have been a lot of patterns lol uhh i miss Jaraiya it would've been cool to have him in this war Im so intersted to see where Kishi goes from here with Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto...

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

to chatte ..... its a bit hard for me to quote and unquote the entire reply accordingly in my mob
so i'm replying as whole

1.i'll be waiting for the interview and searching myself for the same

2. all you have provide proof for regarding slug mode is
> thers is a place "humid forrest"
> slugs live in them so as 1000 other reptails and insects
my take on this is unless kishimoto shows slug sage mode i'm not believing it ....when it shows in manga i'll believe it and you can create a i told you so thread

3.being faster learner helps in learning the technique but not store the chakra required for it
i've just found out tsunade is 54 yrs old(from databook) so atleas 30 long she has been storing chakra
and saying i dont know when she started using it just and how long it requires to gather chakra as not solid proof is as same as "you dont have solid proof to know it can be mastered in 2-3 years"
"tsunade restored chakra fast after pain arc to war" -bcos she is atleast 1/4th senju and 1/4th uzumaki if not more
both clans which are known for chakra reserves and vitality

4.now genjutsu and bringer of darkness
u are saying she didn't use it against sasori bcos kakashi warned he or bcos she didn't feel like doing it
i am saying she didn't use it against sasori bcos she didn't know any genjutsu (i even checked with databook details)

some scrolls used for information transfer and archiving purposes are different than a scroll containing a jutsu such as bringer of darkness.
its like an organisational hierarchy a receptionist knows the name and place of all employes in office only the division head knows the details such as the employee's salary and other benefits
so the point is sakura is not cleared for that level of scrolls

and again i'll believe it when i see it in manga

5. wood release thing ... you said only sakura recognized it ....thats may be bcos only there were only 2 other persons beside her Naruto (who is not the best when it comes to intelligence) and Sai who doesn't show any emotions

6. then her past reputation also shows her as the one who is less developed than other main characters , who always relied on naruto's power to help get through tough situation , one who is deemed less important to the plot than other main characters and less effective when it comes to real time combat

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

to chatte ..... its a bit hard for me to quote and unquote the entire reply accordingly in my mob
so i'm replying as whole

1.i'll be waiting for the interview and searching myself for the same

2. all you have provide proof for regarding slug mode is
> thers is a place "humid forrest"
> slugs live in them so as 1000 other reptails and insects
my take on this is unless kishimoto shows slug sage mode i'm not believing it ....when it shows in manga i'll believe it and you can create a i told you so thread

3.being faster learner helps in learning the technique but not store the chakra required for it
i've just found out tsunade is 54 yrs old(from databook) so atleas 30 long she has been storing chakra
and saying i dont know when she started using it just and how long it requires to gather chakra as not solid proof is as same as "you dont have solid proof to know it can be mastered in 2-3 years"
"tsunade restored chakra fast after pain arc to war" -bcos she is atleast 1/4th senju and 1/4th uzumaki if not more
both clans which are known for chakra reserves and vitality

4.now genjutsu and bringer of darkness
u are saying she didn't use it against sasori bcos kakashi warned he or bcos she didn't feel like doing it
i am saying she didn't use it against sasori bcos she didn't know any genjutsu (i even checked with databook details)

some scrolls used for information transfer and archiving purposes are different than a scroll containing a jutsu such as bringer of darkness.
its like an organisational hierarchy a receptionist knows the name and place of all employes in office only the division head knows the details such as the employee's salary and other benefits
so the point is sakura is not cleared for that level of scrolls

and again i'll believe it when i see it in manga

5. wood release thing ... you said only sakura recognized it ....thats may be bcos only there were only 2 other persons beside her Naruto (who is not the best when it comes to intelligence) and Sai who doesn't show any emotions

6. then her past reputation also shows her as the one who is less developed than other main characters , who always relied on naruto's power to help get through tough situation , one who is deemed less important to the plot than other main characters and less effective when it comes to real time combat

2. I don't do I told you so threads, sorry, not my type.
Once again, why are we having this conversation if you're not open to theories and everything that stands as a possibility you deny it?
Basically, by that logic you would've denied Snake Sage Mode before although it came to be in the manga.

3. Being a fast learner helps in learning the technique, yes, however it helps with the chakra storage via chakra control.
You seem to have ignored that point in part 1.

You say I don't have solid proof, but neither do you. We don't know if Tsunade stored chakra for 30 years or 30 days.

You forget one thing. It's not always about how much chakra you possess. It's about how you handle that chakra you're having.
Furthermore, Sakura's been noted by consuming less chakra when using her techniques, furthermore leading to the fact that she can perform techniques with less chakra consumption, in that way leading to more effective battle tactics.

And the best example here is Kakashi, how he managed to work with his chakra control from part 1 to part 2. Disconsidering this arc.

4. The databook serves as generality and shows what she has used until then, now what she might posses in storage in the future.
Once again, why are we having the conversation? I already repeated myself.
This is a possibility/theoretical thread.
When those proofs will be in the manga, this thread will have no value as it's only a theoretical thread.

5. Show me another one from the younger generation who recognizes secret jutsus belonging to Mokuton ninjutsu.

6. Yes it shows that she is the less developed compared to the power-houses, however compared with the others from her generation it shows she is the most developed.
She didn't rely on Naruto's power every time. Actually, she is well rooted, if I may say like this in the general plot.
Less effective? Tell me how ineffective she was against Sasori, please.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Lol, getting back at the enemy with his own weapon, lol. Or how was the saying?
Something like that.

Lol, then why bother yourself to answer a thread which is basically a theory, a possibility?
I don't get it.
When you have the proof, it's clearly transformed into a proof, so a theory which consists in possibilities has no value.
That what this thread is about, possibilities based on certain proofs of the manga.

As long as it's there, the possibility can be 1 in a million, that single possibility can turn the tables. As simple as that.

And to be honest I didn't understood that 1/32 ratio and how you calculated it.
I was never good at math anyways, but by my calculations of what you would be 5/10.
Meaning 50/50 to happen.
Well, when it will happen, it would be a fact, not a theory/possibility = the meaning of this thread.
When that will happen, this thread will have no meaning whatsoever.

i've given him reason for that assumption you can see it i think

i'm replying bcos when asked for proof in an another thread you said you will create an another thread with proof and pointed me to this thread ....i hope you dont have amnesia

i'm not gud in math either but it think this is correct
"the combined probability of two independent events is the product of the probability of those events"
P(A/B) = P(A).P(B) here the slash sigh"/" denotes conditional probability

if the events are dependent then P(A/B) = P(A [intersection] B) divided by P(B)

here the events are independents bcos kishi continuing the manga is of different plane of reality than tsunade surviving the war
also tsunade surviving the war is independent of sakura's ability to learn which only depends on her talent
easy way to see this is
tsunade can survive the war and still choose not to teach sakura but sakura still has the chance to learn it from some where else(hypothetical speaking)
so now sakura learning is independent ...and its the similar for other events

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

I, personaly, don't like Sakura as a character and I would probably choose other girl to be overpowered, but this actualy makes a lot of sence because she is the main heroine...good thinking Chatte

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

Originally Posted by Gray Uchiha

i've given him reason for that assumption you can see it i think

i'm replying bcos when asked for proof in an another thread you said you will create an another thread with proof and pointed me to this thread ....i hope you dont have amnesia

i'm not gud in math either but it think this is correct
"the combined probability of two independent events is the product of the probability of those events"
P(A/B) = P(A).P(B) here the slash sigh"/" denotes conditional probability

if the events are dependent then P(A/B) = P(A [intersection] B) divided by P(B)

here the events are independents bcos kishi continuing the manga is of different plane of reality than tsunade surviving the war
also tsunade surviving the war is independent of sakura's ability to learn which only depends on her talent
easy way to see this is
tsunade can survive the war and still choose not to teach sakura but sakura still has the chance to learn it from some where else(hypothetical speaking)
so now sakura learning is independent ...and its the similar for other events

You didn't get what I saw saying but anyway.

I don't have amnesia, of course, yes I said that, and I presented the proof from the manga to back-up my theory. Or you want to tell me that those are fake manga pages that I posted?

I will have to take some time with that math thing there because it's a bit harder to understand since I've never studied math in another language and I wasn't good at math in my own language, lol.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

just now saw the interview ....i'm glad that naruto not gonna end next yr ..... so you can take one condition from probability :p

Originally Posted by Chatte

2. I don't do I told you so threads, sorry, not my type.
Once again, why are we having this conversation if you're not open to theories and everything that stands as a possibility you deny it?
Basically, by that logic you would've denied Snake Sage Mode before although it came to be in the manga.

yes if someone told me that there is a Dragon Sage mode before kabuto used it i would have said No way and i would have defended my view saying that there is no proof for Dragon SM then and when kabuto used it i would have accepted i was wrong
i win like a man and i lose like a man .....if sakura shows any of the tech you have said in this thread then i will accept i'm wrong until then i wont ..... and i wont say kishi trolls us or plot no jutst BS

Originally Posted by Chatte

3. Being a fast learner helps in learning the technique, yes, however it helps with the chakra storage via chakra control.
You seem to have ignored that point in part 1.

You say I don't have solid proof, but neither do you. We don't know if Tsunade stored chakra for 30 years or 30 days.

You forget one thing. It's not always about how much chakra you possess. It's about how you handle that chakra you're having.
Furthermore, Sakura's been noted by consuming less chakra when using her techniques, furthermore leading to the fact that she can perform techniques with less chakra consumption, in that way leading to more effective battle tactics.

And the best example here is Kakashi, how he managed to work with his chakra control from part 1 to part 2. Disconsidering this arc.

Originally Posted by Chatte

Tsunade's age is 51, but as I said, we have no proof of when she started to use the Yin Seal.
Could've been fairly years before, could've been months before.
But this is no solid proof that Sakura cannot have the seal.

Yes sakura also has better chakra control ....and effective when using tech no denying that

the weight of proof always rest with the one who is "saying he has found sumthing" or "sumthing is possible"
if i say "naruto surpassing sosp is possible" then its my responsibility to provide proof for that
here you are saying its possible that "sakura can learn and store chakra for Yin seal in a matter of weeks or months" so its your responsibility to provide proof for a that (tsunade doesn't count since she is 1/4 senju and 1/4 uzumaki)

Originally Posted by Chatte

4. The databook serves as generality and shows what she has used until then, now what she might posses in storage in the future.
Once again, why are we having the conversation? I already repeated myself.
This is a possibility/theoretical thread.
When those proofs will be in the manga, this thread will have no value as it's only a theoretical thread.

even theories need some core proof to build upon

Originally Posted by Chatte

5. Show me another one from the younger generation who recognizes secret jutsus belonging to Mokuton ninjutsu.

wat?????when wood comes out of the ground its wood release i dont understand how much intelligent you have to be to say that and also as i said no one other than naruto(clearly not gud with history) and sai(doesn't show any emotions) was there when yamato first used it and no other young generation actually seen it being used by yamato or others like madara or obito or never showed any puzzled reaction that they didn't know it

Originally Posted by Chatte

6. Yes it shows that she is the less developed compared to the power-houses, however compared with the others from her generation it shows she is the most developed.
She didn't rely on Naruto's power every time. Actually, she is well rooted, if I may say like this in the general plot.
Less effective? Tell me how ineffective she was against Sasori, please.

i thought we were past this
Credit to defeating sasori goes to Chiyo (that too questionable bcos sasori choose not to dodge the last parent puppet attack)
healing and saving the life of chiyo goes to Sakura
without chiyo sakura would not have get past sasori's first wave of attacks
proof

Originally Posted by Chatte

You didn't get what I saw saying but anyway.

I don't have amnesia, of course, yes I said that, and I presented the proof from the manga to back-up my theory. Or you want to tell me that those are fake manga pages that I posted?

i'm not saying those are fake pages but the proof you have provides is not sufficient
what are the proofs that the pages provide lets recap
1.sakura has a bid forehead
2.tsunade pointed to her forehead when saying about the yin seal
3.sakura's forehead is a good place to have the yin seal
4.so sakura will have yin seal

5.sakura was seen with a lot of scrolls so she has access to all those acrolls
6.one of the scrolls may contain "Bringer of Darkness" jutsu
7.sakura was able to identify wood release by seeing the wood coming out of the ground
8.found out it was 1'st hokage's jutsu (who was the only one known to have wood release at the moment)
9.so she has knowledge about all of 1st hokage's jutsu
10.tsunade being the granddaughter of 1st knows abt hashi's jutsu and may teach or guide sakura in that tech
is that all or have i missed sumthing....
proving means confirming beyond all doubts like "Innocent until proven guilty"
so unless you provide proof to convince beyond all doubts i wont believe this
i will entertain it as a possibility
but accepting this is totally different

Originally Posted by Chatte

I will have to take some time with that math thing there because it's a bit harder to understand since I've never studied math in another language and I wasn't good at math in my own language, lol.

However, the potential with Sakura is undeniably there.

i am not that gud either :p but i think this might help

consider 2 events
1.)picking a ball from pot that contains 1 black and 1 white balls => so probability of picking a black ball is 1/2
2.)tossing a fare coin that has 2 faces a Head and a Tail => so probability of tossing the coin and getting a Head is 1/2

so now the probability of picking black ball and having a Head in coin toss is 1/4 (we multiply both thats a math rule) bcos picking the ball event does not affect the coin toss event
you can pick black ball in first event and have Head or Tail in coin toss event
you can pick white ball in first event and have Head or Tail in coin toss event
simply outcome of first event doesn't affect second event

in our thread
kishimoto decides to write manga for 2-3 years and tsunade may live or die
kishimoto decides not to write manga or died(i hope not just hypothetically) and still tsuade may live or die (depending upon the assistant or editors who continues the manga)
so kishimoto's decision to write/not (unless kishimoto ubruptly ends the manga completely) doesn't affect other things mentioned

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

Imo Sakura has been long forgotten. She gets filler time if anything, so if this does come true, she'll most likely die right afterwards. If Sakura once again gains the limelight, it'll probably be to kill her off. She's become completely irrelevant to the story. She could have been included, but now it's a bit too late. After the time skip we saw less and less of her, the last time we've seen her was with the whole Zetsu clone thing. Which was like what? 11 months ago?.

do i think the prediction in this thread is possible = yes its possible

do i think its going to happen = NO because its highly improbable and no hard proof is available

will i accept if someone says sakura will surpass tsunade now =NO

will i accept if sakura actually surpasses tsunade by doing something better than her and manga shows it = yes then i will and i WONT be a sore loser saying kishi trolled us you can quote me on this

what kakashi and chiyo told is "sakura may surpass tsunade"
has sakura taken any steps to achieve this after it was said=NO

So your basis for dismissing this entire thread is the lack of hard proof. But what you don't seem to understand is that no one is saying undoubtedly that Sakura will gain all these things, it's a theory using proof in the form of foreshadowing and direct pattern relations to Kishi and the way he has written the manga thus far.

It's unfair to come in here and start dismissing theories just because there is no hard proof yet. How many people made threads containing theories that Tobi is Obito(just one example) and like this thread it was dismissed, called ridiculous ect.

At the time those people that came up with those theories had no hard proof, but they used what Kishi had written and manga scans as there proof, and in the end it rung true. This thread is not much different, yes there is no hard proof, but it's not needed to theorize something.

Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.

I believe that this all true that this can happen and I really don't like sakura at all well at least not how she i sportrayed. Always in the way and over emotional.The thing is currenty Naruto and madara is in a kamehameha showdown,kakashi's been using he's ms more than ever and gai even pulled out the 7th gate (he will most likely release 8th gate soon),Sasuke as we know start fights off with susano.What this tells us that the series power level shot up so fast and high that you aint survive without some sort of chakara robot. So I don't see sakura pulling of some crazy power up (at least not in the war) that can be on the scale that would allow her to be a contender on the madara/naurto battle field.Also even having a technique like bringer of darkness would be of no advantage when people are sitting in chakara robots and are able to sense chakara.