Surely it was pretty obvious it was damaged, if Hill's wishbone got broken by Schumacher hitting him, then slamming it into a wall will break it no question.

There's no evidence Schumacher's car was damaged, and the two impacts weren't identical. Besides, they were in different cars so there's no reason to suspect that they would break in identical fashion.

Originally Posted by Matteh

Entering that corner they are level, Schumacher turns in and it turns out there's actually a car there, hits Hill and that's that. There's actually one view from Hill's car where it looks like there's easily enough room for him to go through.

They were not level at any point, Hill took a risk that turned out to be a poor one. The view from his in-car camera shows why he did it, but the other view showed why it didn't work out. He initially tried to go around the outside - perhaps if he'd tried the inside line straight away he could have made it stick. He didn't, Schumacher was entitled to defend his line and there was an accident.

Originally Posted by Matteh

Re-watched the Jerez one last night as well, that one was ridiculously blatant.

Obviously, Schumacher has admitted that was deliberate.

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They were not level at any point, Hill took a risk that turned out to be a poor one. The view from his in-car camera shows why he did it, but the other view showed why it didn't work out. He initially tried to go around the outside - perhaps if he'd tried the inside line straight away he could have made it stick. He didn't, Schumacher was entitled to defend his line and there was an accident.

They were level at the very start of that corner, then it looks like Schumacher out brakes him to go slightly ahead whilst in the corner before turning into Hill who was on the inside. He tried to go around the outside because that's where the space was when Schumacher was rejoining the track, Schumacher jumps across to block him,taking him off the racing line incidentially, so Hill goes for the gap on the inside.

Originally Posted by cpr

3. Although Cow Tipping is a hilarious student game in backwater towns such as Bangor, there really is no need for Mitchell to cover one side of the cow in superglue

Aside from your contention that Hill was level with Schumi at one point, I think we agree on what happened, but disagree on the nature of the collision.

In conclusion, all I see is Hill attempting a risky overtaking move - which I would have attempted too - which failed. I don't see any rulebreaking or poor sportsmanship. If it had been two other drivers and the stakes had not been so high, no-one would have bothered debating it.

Not like Hakkinen was amazing, he just ended up playing second fiddle to him because of that 'gentleman's agreement'. The impression that you get with him though is that of a very solid number 2 rather than someone you'd put as your main driver.