I'm sorry to have to respond to this thread so late but i am a new subscriber. Of your comment "ive got a new way to deal with those guaranteed 1st place listings, if they can do that and keep it there for more than 2 weeks, i will work for your firm for 3 months for free..." - comment accordingly.

I own an SEO company where we DO guarantee first page listings. Moreover, we work on a total "No success - no Fee" basis - We're that good and TOTALLY ethical. Further we DON'T offer a "moneyt back guarantee" and why?...Because try getting you money back from ANYONE after you've paid them!

We ask our clients to pay our monthly retainer into a JOINT Bank Account (AKA ESCROW) and if we haven't performed in 12 months (our minimum contract) the contract allows the client to take the contents of the Joint Account. However, if we get our client on Page One for say 50% of the key phrases within say 6 months, the money is ours and the contract comes to an end and goes on to a monthly retainer.