I mean, I was expecting to hear the breaking of the seventh seal and to see fire and brimstone rain down. Trump riding one of the horses of the
Apocalypse. Must be with the collapse of the economic system we were also warned about by actors on shows such as The Daily Show.

I'm all for the electoral college voting for whom they want...
...HOWEVER, if their vote can ever swayed by a TV commercial, then this country would have some problems.

By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter, but Hillary is fooling herself if she thinks her defeat was not "fair and square". Maybe Comey's letter had a
small part in it, and maybe outside hackers pushing fake news has a small part in it, but I (and even Democratic Party political pundits) think that
the reason Hillary lost is because she did not spend enough time courting middle America.

Case in point, she lost Wisconsin and she lost Michigan -- two places that she THOUGHT she would win -- because she didn't spend enough time or money
in those states. She was under the (incorrect) assumption that lower middle class voters will vote for her because they traditionally vote democrat.
However, she overestimated the depth of the lower-middle class support.

Trump's people must have noticed this, and they spent a heck of a lot more time in places such as Michigan and Wisconsin (and rural Ohio and rural
Pennsylvania) than Ms. Clinton, and those voters turned their usually democratic party vote to Trump instead. Wisconsin and Michigan are just
examples -- Trump beat her in other lower-middle class areas as well.

So while people in Ms. Clinton's camp want to cast doubt onto the legitimacy of Trump's win by insinuating it was Director Comey's letter or maybe
Russian interference that made Ms. Clinton lose, they ought to be looking at themselves in a mirror. Hillary's campaign strategy was the main reason
she lost.

I feel embarrassed sometimes being a democrat (I'm socially moderate-to-liberal, but fiscally conservative) when I see the democratic party becoming
the party pandering to the liberal elite. And, yeah -- I'm mostly liberal, but I'm not one of the liberal elite. To me the liberal elite are a bunch
of white intellectuals who feel they need to be some sort of Great Protector of the less fortunate, because (an this is the rub) the less fortunate
are unable to help themselves; i.e., the liberal elite looks down on some citizens in this country almost as if they have some sort of
metal or physical disability that requires them to be a "ward of the state". And if they become their "Great Protector", then they will automatically
get their votes.

The liberal elite has little faith in most middle Americans, and feels they can only be sustained through socialized programs.

Hillary's Camps problem was that she thought if they played the role of this "Great Protector" that those people would be so grateful and vote
Democrat. The problem is that many of those people care about other larger issues facing America (some issues that do not directly affect them
day-to-day) other than only the day-to-day issues that the Democratic Elite only THINK those people care about.

And, by the way, the electoral college exists in order to give rural and lower-middle class areas a voice. If the election was based on popular
votes, then candidates could more easily ignore the rural and middle-America voters and instead concentrate on the population centers in and around
big cities. If we had no electoral college, the candidates would bother to court the vote of a huge geographical area of the country and just stick
to cities.

So yeah -- It's my moderate liberalism that makes me believe that the Electoral College is vital. Without it, middle America would not be heard as
much.

I went to a Trump rally. I don't remember the full playlist of songs but I do remember them playing another Rolling Stones song. You can't always get
what you want. I remember laughing because I saw it as a poke at the 'never Trumpers'. Maybe they played Sympathy for the Devil. I really don't
remember it though.

Personally, with the way the system is set up, I don't believe the electoral college can go against the voting result of each state, it has to honour
it, otherwise, why hold a nationwide election in the first place? Why ask the American people to vote for a candidate if the college is going to say
no to them? I wonder, can democracy ever be truly exercised in a plutocracy?

There seems to be forces at work on both sides of the pond, both chasing to overturn a genuine democratic result, casting doubt on it, testing the
veracity of the result. I see these as tests of resistance to see just how far people will allow the push to go. They are after changing the system to
something that is not democratic, but plutocratic, and for plutocratic interests.

Globalists (plutocrats all) have to do away with the democratic system. They cannot achieve the goals of their agenda while democracy remains in place
as the chosen electoral system. They know (and have just seen) that while democracy remains in place, the people will not go along with the globalist
agenda. Expect to see democracy come under some very strange, but severe attacks. They won't blame democracy itself, they will blame the electoral
candidate, and they will blame the voter for their unintelligent use of their vote. They don't believe you should have a say any longer. They want you
to accept unelected people to make all your choices for you, because they know best, they know better than you.

If you accept that, say good bye to America. It's not being asked to leave, but it has certainly been handed its hat.

We have fake news why not fake commercials. What better way to enrage the right to vote than to make some fake commercials confirming their greatest
fears about the left. It's perfect. Just look how many people are angry enough to post here!

originally posted by: elysiumfire
Personally, with the way the system is set up, I don't believe the electoral college can go against the voting result of each state, it has to honour
it, otherwise, why hold a nationwide election in the first place? Why ask the American people to vote for a candidate if the college is going to say
no to them? I wonder, can democracy ever be truly exercised in a plutocracy?

There seems to be forces at work on both sides of the pond, both chasing to overturn a genuine democratic result, casting doubt on it, testing the
veracity of the result. I see these as tests of resistance to see just how far people will allow the push to go. They are after changing the system to
something that is not democratic, but plutocratic, and for plutocratic interests.

Globalists (plutocrats all) have to do away with the democratic system.

Our government has been overthrown since 1913. It's called the Federal Reserve. We can't lose what we've already lost!

originally posted by: Box of Rain
I feel embarrassed sometimes being a democrat (I'm socially moderate-to-liberal, but fiscally conservative) when I see the democratic party becoming
the party pandering to the liberal elite. And, yeah -- I'm mostly liberal, but I'm not one of the liberal elite. To me the liberal elite are a bunch
of white intellectuals who feel they need to be some sort of Great Protector of the less fortunate, because (an this is the rub) the less fortunate
are unable to help themselves; i.e., the liberal elite looks down on some citizens in this country almost as if they have some sort of
metal or physical disability that requires them to be a "ward of the state". And if they become their "Great Protector", then they will automatically
get their votes.

Now that all the Democrats and liberals have been vanquished from government you have nothing to be embarrassed about.

Now if the Republicans will only make Abortion illegal then I can finally stop saying the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. With the
Republicans controlling all 3 branches of the government, nothing is stopping them from outlawing abortion nation wide. Millions of babies will be
saved. But I bet you the Republicans will allow the 60 vote rule in the Senate so come 2018 they can continue the blame the Democrats. How dad to
the Democrats have to lose before the Republicans finally make abortion illegal????

Not a single American government administration has been overthrown. Your choice of words are wholly inadequate to convey what you truly mean. You
need to articulate precisely what you mean. Not a single administration has ever been overthrown, they have however, signed up to the deal, and got
rich off it.

Each successive administration created the system by law and legislature, so that thy could play the system for their own benefit and self-interest
and in total cahoots with the financial elite. Not by any stretch of the imagination can that be described as overthrown. What it really stands for is
betrayal of the American people, and you know what, all those militia guys who said they would defend the United States against all enemies, foreign
and domestic, well...not so much as a peep out of them. Like everyone else, they only have their own self-interests at heart, not the country, and
certainly not the constitution. 2nd amendment, huh, you can wipe your ass with it for all the value it is held up to be.

It's called the Federal Reserve. We can't lose what we've already lost!

So why bother about anything at all? The American people are just too small and the forces ranged against them too large and powerful. Just do what
everyone else is doing, Keep your head down and whinge all about it on forums. Land of the free and home of the brave...don't make me
laugh.

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