Non-Muslim Countries Lead in Islamic Values, Says Muslim Academician

That is what Hossein Askari, an Iranian-born professor of International Business and International Affairs at George Washington University believes. Askari says, Ireland “leads the world in Islamic values as Muslim states lag.” After studying 208 countries and territories he found that the top countries in both economic achievement and social values are Ireland, Demark, Luxembourg and New Zealand. Britain also ranks in the top ten. The first Muslim-majority nation is Malaysia ranking at 33, while the only other state in the top 50 is Kuwait at 48.

Askari then concluded that the Quran’s teachings are better represented in non-Muslim societies than in Islamic countries, which, he believes have failed to embrace the values of their own faith in politics, business, law and society.

He said, Muslim countries use religion as an instrument of state control. “We must emphasize that many countries that profess Islam and are called Islamic are unjust, corrupt, and underdeveloped and are in fact not ‘Islamic’ by any stretch of the imagination,” Askari asserted.

“Looking at an index of Economic Islamicity, or how closely the policies and achievements of countries reflect Islamic economic teachings – Ireland, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Singapore, Finland, Norway, and Belgium round up the first 10.” Askari added.

He said, “If a country, society, or community displays characteristics such as unelected, corrupt, oppressive, and unjust rulers, inequality before the law, unequal opportunities for human development, absence of freedom of choice (including that of religion), opulence alongside poverty, force, and aggression as the instruments of conflict resolution as opposed to dialogue and reconciliation, and, above all, the prevalence of injustice of any kind, it is prima facie evidence that it is not an Islamic community.”

If Askari were right the solution would have been simple. To get rid of corruption, oppression injustice and inequality in Islamic countries, which according to Askari are not Islamic values, we could encourage Muslims to leave Islam and follow the lead of non-Muslim countries. It appears that the more a country is Islamic the more it lacks “Islamic values.” Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan that are more Islamic are also more oppressive.

But of course Askari is wrong. In Islam the unbelievers are not equal to believers. “Is he, then, who is a believer like one who is disobedient? They are not equal.” (Q. 32:18)In Islam men excel over women. (Q. 4:34)

Islamic Values

Also Islam honors the institution of slavery. (Q 33:50, 23:5) Dawud reports a hadith (14:2692) of a slave of ibn Umar who ran away to the enemy and when Muslims overpowered them Muhammad returned him to Ibn Umar. Dawud says that this slave was not distributed (as a part of booty) among the rest of the captives who were also reduced to slaves.

As for freedom of religion, the Quran says “No religion other than Islam will be accepted from anyone.” (Q. 3:85) The argument that Islam is tolerant because the verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion is a fallacy. This verse has nothing to do with tolerance. According to Islamic sources, the Jews of Medina had adopted and raised the orphaned children of Arabs and these children had embraced Judaism. When Muhammad expelled the Jews from their city the relatives of these children (now adults) wanted to prevent them leaving but in loyalty to their adopted parents they preferred to go. The matter was brought to Muhammad who said, if they want to go let them go, “there is no compulsion in religion.” Of course if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Islam.

Askari’s argument that the prevalence of corruption, oppression and injustice in a society is prima facie evidence that it is not Islamic is absurd. Governments are either democratic or dictatorial. Corruption and oppression are more likely in dictatorships. In democracies, people have the power to remove corrupt governments, unless they are so ignorant that they are easily deceived, which is not the fault of democracy. In democracy, laws are made by people. Islam does not recognize the laws made by people. The laws are made by God and the ruler, as the executioner of divine law, is not accountable to the people. And as long as he adhered to the Islamic law no one is allowed to criticize or oppose him, even if he is unjust.

Muhammad said “If Allah has on Earth a caliph who flays your back and takes your property, obey him; otherwise die holding onto the stump of a tree.” [Dawud 35: 4232] So much for freedom and justice!

The 18th century Muslim scholar Shah Waliullah on the Obediene of the Caliph wrote, “The Prophet has said: “Hearing and obeying is an obligation of every Muslim, whether he likes the command or dislikes it, as long as he is not commanded to commit a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then he absolved of the obligation to hear and obey.” [Sahih Muslim].

(I say): Since an imam is installed for two kinds of public weal, by which religious and political affairs are regulated, and since the Prophet was sent for their sake, and the imam is the Prophet’s deputy and an executor of his mission, therefore, obedience to the imam is indeed obedience to the Prophet. And disobedience to him would be tantamount to disobedience of the Prophet except when he commands to commit a sin. For then it would be evident that obedience to him is no longer in obedience to God, and in that event, he would cease to be a deputy of God’s Prophet. This is why the Prophet said: “Whoever follows an amir, he indeed follows me, and whoever disobeys an amir, he indeed disobeys me”. [Sahih Muslim] [Shah Wali Allah, Selection from Hujjat Allah al-Balighah, English Translation, 2006, pp. 116-117]

As for economics, something Khomeini said, “is for the donkey,” Islam has very little to offer. Bukahri (3:39:541) reports Muhammad saying, “There is no house in which these (agricultural) equipment enters except that Allah will cause humiliation to enter it.” The reason Muhammad disparaged agriculture is because he wanted to encourage his companions to earn their living through jihad. He said that is the best bargain and who strive hard for Allah’s cause with their wealth and in persons will reap the rewards. (Q. 6:11)

The irony is that Muslims can see something is wrong with their societies, but can’t see its cause. Western countries are not prospering because they have embraced Islamic values. How delusional is this thinking! They are prospering because they drew a clear line between religion and state, and have embraced secularism. Muslims can’t do such thing. Islam is more than a religion. It is primarily a political system. It is totalitarian as it controls all aspects of the life of the believer. Muhammad was not just a prophet but also a dictator. His successors also ruled with undisputed authority.

If Islamic countries are dictatorial, unjust, oppressive and backwards we should look for the cause of it in the values that they espouse. Their failure is evident even to them. But instead of acknowledging the problem they keep digging their heads deeper in the sands of denial. Isn’t it time to wake up?

In general terms, I do get your point, that in various ways democracy and it's laws are very imperfect!!! Yes!!!

But still you have to choose, or by acquiescing accept what the representatives of the majority decide.

But hey, I even would respect those who maintain that the majority of the people can't decide on good enough laws. But then "totalitarian countries, shariah countries" based on so-called "divine law" should be asked and forced to accept those citizens of democratic countries that are not loyal to democratic government and are in favor of totalitarian, shariah rule.

While those living under Islamic totalitarian rule should eventually all be allowed to migrate to democratic countries. Which millions of them already do, legally or even illegally.

But Muslims should only be allowed in democratic countries on condition they now transfer their loyalty to the democratic government of their new country, on pain of being sent back, and this condition goes for all their life.

Do you, Abeid, think it is fair that Muslims in Democratic countries are loyal to totalitarian Muslim enemies of democracy?

@Abeid Salim,
//but it goes against nature as its abnormal//
Sorry. But lets assume it is abnormal. So why do you think a section of people indeed indulge in homosexuality? This is not new phenomenon either (evidences from the Paleolithic era have now been unearthed). Neither is it unknown in the animal kingdom. Second what do you think should be done to gays? harsh beating and killing repeat 'offenders' as the Hanifi school thinks?

Demsci suppose you are right by saying islamic man made laws are false so humans should use their rational minds to make reasonable laws to govern them eg freedom of speech and others.There will come a time where humans will be legalising insanity e.g gay marriage.I got nothing against gays but it goes against nature as its abnormal and you have this researchers saying being gay is normal which of course its not and they are just saying that so that we can accept these freaks…next you will hear bestiality will be legalised and people will say its their right nd its normal!!! Do you get my point?

Your response shows how backward your thinking is in that you simply do not know 1. How to use language—your grammar and syntax are so deplorable that you should ask for your money back from whichever school you attended, and 2. How to refute an argument with coherent, rational responses. Your "responses" are just ridiculous diatribes that don't in any way invalidate the points made by the writer. In truth, your responses shore up the very points put forward by the writer. I can see how your brain is hard-wired from doctrinaire, all-or-nothing thinking and if it were not for the fact that you and so many other radical Muslims are so dangerous in your psychopathogy of killing in the name of religion, I would feel deeply sorry for you. There is so much beauty and promise in this world, in nature and in other human beings, that you will never experience because this Muslim religion you cling to has stunted your growth and consigned you to ignorance.

@Shabeer
//EVIDENCE 3:
वृषभvRSabham.bull
वृषभvRSabham.ox http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&amp;…
Take your link, visit the site and check all the meanings listed there. I can additionally see: strong, manly, mighty, vigorous, lord or best among, chief, most excellent or eminent .
I had already said once that in the Vedas it has been used as an epithet for the presiding diety. In that sense I had also given you an example in everyday use: If I call you a pig, it doesn't mean you actually have 4 legs (The pigs would be thankful for that)

@Shabeer
Your fist link doesn't open. And why should I even consider it? The author of that blog is a muslim. Just a post back you were talking about Aryasamaj being an authority. Again I take only one sample, RV 10.58.3 : Here Aryasamaj clarifies Chaturbhrashti implies that that is spread across all the four directions. Check here: http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda_v5/rugve… (tile 71, page 698, text is in hindi).
Now back to how languages work, consider the normal Hindi text: Mera yash duniya ke kone kone me fayl gaya hai (My reputation has spread to all corners of the world). Does it mean that I am saying that the world has four corners?
About Vrshabha, just check Monier Williams dictionary: http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinput=vRSabha…

# every verse will give you a result much different from the English translations you have given………….No……..i give to u the link for appropriate Sanskrit slogan (http://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/scientific-errors-in-vedas-part-ii/)
if my English translation was wrong ,why r u dare to prove the verses in front of the public??????
the majority of the ppl agreed the verses r true ………..
ex)
Rig Veda 10.58.3 Thy spirit, that went far away, away to the four-cornered earth.
यते [Yate] = Your
मन [Man] = Spirit/Mind
जगाम [Jagaam] = Goes
दूरकम् [Durkam] = Far away
चतुर्भृष्टि [Chaturbhushti/Caturbhrsti] = Four-Cornered
भूमि [Bhumi] = Earth
The word Chaturbhusti means Four cornered, http://sanskritdictionary.com/caturbh%E1%B9%9B%E1…

Satapatha Brahman 6.1.2.29 …Now this earth is>>>> four-cornered<<<<, for the quarters are her corners: hence the bricks are four-cornered; for all the bricks are after the manner of this earth.
ex)
Rig Veda 4.50.1 Him who with might hath propped >>>>earth’s ends<<<<
Atharva Veda 15.7.1 He, having become moving majesty,>>>went to the ends of the earth<<<<……
Rig Veda 5.47.2 On >>>>Four side about the earth<<< and heaven go forth the spacious paths without a limit.
Rig Veda 3.6.5 Great are the deeds of thee, the Great, O Agni: thou by thy power hast >>>>spread out earth and heaven.<<<<
FROM THE VERSES /MEANING WE CAN UNDERSTAND THESES R DIRECT SPEECH,THESE VERSES SAYS SERIOUS CREATION,FACT ABOUT EARTH,IF IT CONSIDERED TO BE FIGURE OF SPEECH THEN REMAINING WORDS TOO SPOKEN TO BE MEANINGLESS,BUT THA ABOVE VERSES NOT LIKE THAT…………

MEANING OF BULL:
The writer has translated the word वृषभ (Vurshab) as SUN, but actually it is translated as BULL, the correct translation for this verse is,

Atharva Veda 4.11.1 The Bull supports the wide-spread earth and heaven, the Bull supports the spacious air between them.
Some Hindus might argue that Vushab doesn’t mean Bull it means Sun. For the sake of the argument let’s accept it. But a Vedic verse makes an unscientific claim about Vushab
Atharva Veda 4.5.1, Rig Veda 7.55.7 The Bull [Vushab] who hath a thousand horns, who rises up from out the sea…
HINDI MEANING OF वृषभ – EXACT MATCHES

@Shabeer
//IT JUST U'R PERSONAL OPINION ,THAT NOT VALID HERE,BEC'S SOME AUTHORIZED HINDU SITE /TEXT NOT SAYS LIKE THAT EX)ARYA SAMAJ & AGNIVEER,ETC//
1. You asked me and I gave you my understanding from how languages, figure of speech, allegories etc work based on real life examples. It is clear that you have nothing to say against them 🙂
2. I don't know what Agniveer is? I don't think they are any known authority.
3. Arya Samaj produces its works in Hindi, while the translations you gave were in English. While I can produce one or two sample verses in Hindi here, I am sure they won't match the English one. Lets take a sample you say, Rig Veda 7.83.3 The ends of the earth are beheld laid waste while Arya Samaj translates it as: The Lord is asking the brave scholars to protect the people following the Vedic Dharma.. and so on
Link: http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda_v4/rugve… (Go to the 9th tile, page 82, the text is in Hindi).
Now given these will you try to check all these verse with Arya Samaj's translation? I assure you every verse will give you a result much different from the English translations you have given.
4. Often what you refer are completely wrong. For example, you said Atharva Veda 10.1.30 The Cow is Heaven, the Cow is Earth,. However here is what Atharva Veda 10.1.30 really is: If ye be girt about with clouds of darkness, bound as with a net. We rend and tear all witcheries hence and to their maker send
them back. http://sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av10001.htm
So many of YOUR translations are not to be trusted, isn't it then a bit too much to ask for an authority to verify my answers?
Now for the cows in Veda, here is what Rishi Aurobindo says in his commentary on the Vedas (The brilliant Secret of The Vedas): Here the difficulty thickened. But I had already found
that the Vedic cow was an exceedingly enigmatical animal and
came from no earthly herd. The word go means both cow and
light and in a number of passages evidently meant light even
while putting forward the image of the cow. This is clear enough
when we have to do with the cows of the sun—the Homeric
kine of Helios—and the cows of the Dawn. Psychologically,
the physical Light might well be used as a symbol of knowledge
and especially of the divine knowledge.
So here's another authority that clarifies the usage of a common word in the Veda, namely 'go' often translated as Cow. And he is correct too, this can be verified in Monier-Williams excellent sanskrit dictionary: http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&amp;… )
So technically even the translation in English are suspect/misleading. I therefore gave you exactly what those translations mean in their respective contexts. As far as Vedic authorities are concerned it is far from easy for you to comprehend. That is the basic reason why I didn't get technical in my reply and only gave you examples to render the meaning of the English translation. People like try to take advantage of the fact that often vernacular interpretations like those of Madhavacharya, Sankara or Sayana aren't available online and are in Sanskrit (so English speakers have to depend on English translations). And even those translations didn't help your claim:-)

Now go back to Q 50:7. Unlike you I quote from Kathir, who nobody doubts in an authority, including you :-). I also don't throw in a plethora of verses, only one at a time and it is often enough.

@Shabeer
//IT JUST U'R PERSONAL OPINION ,THAT NOT VALID HERE,BEC'S SOME AUTHORIZED HINDU SITE /TEXT NOT SAYS LIKE THAT EX)ARYA SAMAJ & AGNIVEER,ETC//
1. Do the example explain my position clearly? Yes, No?
2. What is Agniveer? Why should I consider them any authority? 3. Are the Aryasamajis saying anything different? If yes, please show me where? Anyway it is not in English but Hindi. You will not even find a parallel between the English translation from Griffith and the Aryasamaji version. So I asked you to look up Madhava's or Sankara's commentary which obviously you didn't. And some of your verses aren't there!! For example, you say: Atharva Veda 10.1.30 The Cow is Heaven, the Cow is Earth, but it is not so: http://sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe42/av088.htm 30. If ye are enveloped in darkness, covered as if by a net–we tear all spells out from here, send them back again to him that fashioned them.

@I have. You aren't able to respond to them.NO U'R NOT THEN PROVE HERE ,,, @I gave you 5 examples covering different phrases that you quoted from the Vedas ………….IT JUST U'R PERSONAL OPINION ,THAT NOT VALID HERE,BEC'S SOME AUTHORIZED HINDU SITE /TEXT NOT SAYS LIKE THAT EX)ARYA SAMAJ & AGNIVEER,ETC……………ONE MORE LAST CHANCE I GIVE U ,PLZ PROVE ALL THE VERSES ONE BY ONE WITH AUTHORIZED EVIDENCE HERE ,OR ACCEPT THE FAILURE,THEN WE CAN DISCUSS ABOUT 50:7 & OTHERS…………

@ Shabeer, we both draw conclusions and do not exhaustively provide evidence, you seem to do it, but you do not answer the vast majority of our challenges. Look at Chuck's challenge about Quran 50.7. So do not chastise US for not answering challenges, OK; you are, if anything, worse than our team.

Whoever reads our discussion can google him/ herself. I am glad to offer sources, when specifically asked for it and now I give you Matt Ridley. But who reads all presented links, or even part of them, in this "twitter-age"? http://www.mattridley.co.uk/blog/inequality-is-fa…

And now I'll tell you what I know. According to Deirdre McCloskey, David Landes, Andrew Marr (in history of the world) and other historians, my people, the Dutch, from the 17th century onwards, contributed much to prosperity for the ordinary people. Before that, in a nutshell, maybe 10 % of the people was rich and exploiting the vast, VERY AND ETERNALLY poor majority.

But beginning in Holland, going on in the UK and on and on in countries of Western origine and liberal democratic practices, not ISLAMIC PRACTICES (And oil does NOT count IMO), also thanks to liberal politics and great political thinkers and reforms, and the resulting industrial revolution etc….

The people who became "middle class" multiplied and the percentage of the poor dropped, in the 17th-20th century (for the first time in history and it did not happen in Islamic countries before it happened in Western countries and the Islamic countries obviously still have a higher proportion of poor people than the Western countries). In the past maybe 80 to 90 % of people was poor, now it is more like # 33 % (and DROPPING).

America's poverty numbers are about 15 %, high but much lower than those of the vast majority of countries (191 in the UN). In my country, Holland, the poverty numbers are below 10 %.

Yes! you are right about the rich being obscenely rich, if that is what you meant to say. But inequality of income in the past and also in Islamic countries was already big and appalling in the past, separating the rich from a vast majority of people, with only a small middle class.

Nowadays, the middle class worldwide still expands, esp. in your country India, and in China. And the percentage of poor people is coming down. And the inequality numbers are rather going up, then down, then up, then down again, in recent history.

You also should consider the question why on the whole it is Islamic countries that people flee FROM and Democratic Western countries that people flee TO, Shabeer. The magnetic pull of democratic countries is called it's "soft power", you know.

@Shabeer
//MY QUESTION WHY R THE SAME COUNTRIES (Human_Development) LEADING THE ALL THE CRIMES………………???????????? //
Since they are very high on HDI it stands proven that they are the contries providing best living conditions to their citizens. So if they have high number of reports of crimes, it only proves that these countries consider many things as crime which muslim countries don't and citizens have enough freedom to report crimes again something muslim countries lag behind. After all a high HDI implies that more crimes WILL GET REPORTED AND ACTED AGAINST.

@Shabeer
//i think u'r father has no confidence with u'r mother,so u r one of the product of horses ,that way u r here behaving like an animal//
We can see who is behaving like one. By the way a horse is way better than a swine. Any day.

@Shabeer
//THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT IN POOR/MIDDLE,DAY TO DAY THEY R GOING TO DOWN//
You are really foolish. Of the first grade. Rich countries are rich because they have a small middle class and still smaller number of poor people. So it is not a question of progress of only the richest but that more people are 'rich'.

this fourth time u prove u'r self an wild beast with two reson
1)……….my last i says to u ,if u r a human admit the F section failure ,then come to debate with me ,u broken the rule and prove u'r self u'r a wild beast………i don't like to debate with animal,my responsibility to human being……………
2) according to Hinduism a hindu believer male,no confidence with sexual relation with his wife,they must arrange horse for her.
"All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: 'O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband.'" – Yajur Veda 23/19.

After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: "O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception'" – Yajur Veda 23/20.

The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu (priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: "This horse may release semen in me." -Yajur Veda 23/20.

Then the host, while praying to the horse says:

O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your ***** and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this ***** makes women happy and lively‘."
(Yajur Veda, 23 / 20 – 21)

i think u'r father has no confidence with u'r mother,so u r one of the product of horses ,that way u r here behaving like an animal…………….

@Shabeer
About your point, that the "negative" statistics, that countries could and should feel embarrassed about, showing bad behavior like murder and rape, and perhaps problems with family life, social life in Western countries;

Well, do you perhaps make the complicated point that …. Yes, the Democratic countries yield many more positive results, but only at the cost of "very high" negative results, whereas the Islamic and dictatorial countries yield less positive results but also less negative results? How much comfort is there in THAT?

Do you then promote the goal of &nbsp;Islamic countries that are comparatively poor and underdeveloped, BUT more SAFE from murder and rape? (Although even the life-expectation-statistics contradict your murder-statistics!)? And do you promote Islamic societies, somehow with more cohesion in families and society (although even the happiness-statistics contradict the family- and society failure statistics!!!)?

And, are you really sure these negative statistics are not the results of bad recording and reporting in the Islamic countries? And the better recording and reporting of the Democratic ones? And the results of the bigger confidence in the police, judiciary by victims in Democratic countries than the same in Islamic and Dictatorial countries?

If these are indeed the real reasons for high scores in neg. stats in Democratic countries and low scores in Islamic countries, then it is the Democratic countries that should be praised, for ….. recording and reporting honestly, despite embarrassment, and a more controlled and trusted police, encouraging victims to press charges.

Shabeer, look at the statistics Chuck linked to. There are many like them on the internet in and the media.

This one is about the "positive" statistics, the ones that countries can take pride in. Shouldn't those achievements not also be the goal of the Islamic countries? What better goals could there be for countries?

In a rare interview Ibrahim Buleihi, an experienced, influential Saudi, explained that according to him, Arabs, Muslims, should emulate the West, because it was so much more successful on important criteria. He used the examples of Japan and even Israel. Saying Japan DID emulate the West, and that Israel really was some kind of outpost of the West. And that they both performed well on important criteria.

Now look at Human Development Index (Chucks link); look how well Japan and Israel are doing!!! A surprise for me was that even GREECE, of all countries, still outranks TURKEY, perhaps due the Islamization policies of Prime Minister Erdogan. Who in part is abandoning the policies of Ataturk, who did try to emulate the West in many of it's successful ways, turning a moribund Turkey into a much more viable country, with a much better economy.

Thanks Chuck, I appreciate that very much. Great statistics. I like surfing the internet and often statistics like this are published or linked to. You gave a very good answer to Shabeer's challenge in my stead.

@Shabeer
// BUT THEY R COMPLETELY FAILED IN FAMILY LIFE,SOCIAL LIFE,ETC // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by…
In the list of HDI there is no muslim majority nation in the top 30. The first muslim majority country is Brunei which is a tiny oil rich country with a population of 400, 000. The list is dominated by the Western democratic countries.

hey jesus you just went off topic i dont usually respond to trolls but I did not expect to find one at sina's site.What makes you think am a killer? I dont know how you have 5 likes for saying nothing but am not surprise by this site anymore when it comes to giving likes.

//"So you are going to judge all muslims just because of one madman?"//

Thank you for calling Khomeiny a madman! That "madman" is revered by the government of Iran, a nation of more than 70 million people, and also supposedly by the majority of the Shiites. And therefore you have distanced yourself from maybe 10 % of the Muslims. This sort of defence of Islam we like to see more of! And: It is a direct result from Ali Sina's criticisms, that you, a Muslim, calls KHOMEINY a madman!

And Ali Sina only used Khomeiny as an example. He is also showing the proof of the statistics about economy, prosperity, as does the Iranian professor in the article.

It seems certain that Islam either is non-influential on economics or a bad influence due to Islamics tenets, laws and values and practices that contradict better working economic laws, tenets, values and practices. One argument is that an Islamic country like Iran is dictatorial because of Islam's shariah laws and therefore lacking freedom of speech and transparancy that democratic countries do have, in higher measure at least.

And about the golden age of Islam; well, that's just it; that was in the distant past! Mankind has progressed since then! The inhabitants of Christian countries are now much better off, much more prosperous than the Muslims in the golden age! AND than the Muslims in the present age!

Does it mean that Muslims stagnated? And if so, why? Again, what would you choose if Ali Sina was right? Progress and prosperity? Or Islam? You see, you defend Islam, but don't you see you should want progress and prosperity and happiness for mankind first and foremost? Like we do.

Abeid, it is not a question of whether or not christian countries suffer the same thing. Because yes, they do. But it is still important to record, report as much as possible the precise results of countries, in relation to their laws, tenets, values. Which in future will be done much more, due to "big data analytics" (google it).

It is never a question that bad and good things happen in every country, it is about RANKING, LISTING. on the good things countries should try to emulate or improve on the highest ranked countries. On the bad things let countries try to avoid the mistakes the highest ranked countries make.

//"so according to you we should leave islam and there wont be any corruption and injustice so that is your solution"//

Abeid, that is NOT completely what he said on the matter at hand. And it means you are making a "strawman fallacy". He ALSO said you should follow the lead of non-Muslim countries". You see, it is apparent and significant that non-Muslim-countries do so much better on so many criterions. And it may mean that Islamic tenets and values are blocking for Muslims equal success as that of non-Muslims. Who have values and tenets definitely contradicting those of Islam.

Look, suppose Ali Sina is right, what would you choose; a better, more succesfull, more prosperous, happy society or Islam??

which according to us is contradicting and blocking progress (and perhaps only parts of Islam do that, not all of Islam). I really think you should not choose your beloved Islam over progress, prosperity, success for your nation, if parts of Islam block that.

//"you are very good at starting fights but you never seem to end them"//

I contradict THAT! Ali Sina has a big record of ANSWERING challenges. But ending fights is impossible, when he also is democratic and leaves people to decide for themselves or to run away, deny, ignore, and be responsible for their own lives.

Abeid, suppose it is ideal that God gives us the best laws, we say: "it is Mohammed and Muslims that are playing God"! And you fell for it! The Islamic laws are just as manmade as the rest. There is no Divine source of law! We are so tired of Muslims either misusing that concept or being fooled by that concept! Can't you see that we humans often lie? As you think Ali Sina lies. And that, in order to get power, influence, Mohammed and early Muslims lied? Or perhaps they were delusional. Oh, why can't Muslims simply start afresh and primarily look for real evidence for what they believe and reject? There is no evidence for the extraordinary claim of Mohammed and early Muslims that GOD had anything to do with Mohammed's message.

@ Shabeer,
Let us respond to existing statistics with deep thinking about what they mean and much patience, in order to try to reach a true and just conclusion from them. As opposed to merely use them as propaganda material, used by and aimed at prejudiced, un-thinking or dishonest people like you, Shabeer (because this is the UMPTIETH time you present those statistics, which have many times been refuted here)/

First let us try to distinguish between statistics about positive achievements, like people in countries that are measured being happy, prosperous, and enjoying freedom, including freedom to dump bad governments for the people etc.

And statistics about negative behaviors and circumstances, like murder, rape, poverty and alcohol-consumption (and how negative is that anyway; if it makes people happier oftentimes?).

Then, let us investigate how well statistics are being kept, so how open and transparant governments of countries demand and allow all relevant reporting in a way that is as honest as possible.

Shabeer, in his superficial and prejudiced, downright stupid or dishonest way, would have us assume that

all statistics in all countries are equally valid. But of course the democratic, open and transparant governed countries have the more controlled and honestly reported statistics!

Whenever there are statistics about positive behavior and circumstances of inhabitants, per capita, the democratic countries are very much on top and the Islamic countries very low!

This shows that the Islamic countries

either don't have nearly as much positive behavior and circumstances as the Democratic ones, per capita,

or that the Islamic countries simply are not as capable as the democratic countries with reporting the behavior and circumstances of their inhabitants.

And positive behavior and circumstances is something all countries would like to report, but somehow the Islamic countries can't do it.

And the reports can hardly be propaganda from the Democratic countries, because those are the ones that are best controlled, most open and transparant.

But when it comes to (negative) statistics countries do NOT like to be published, it is easy and natural for the dictatorial countries to underreport and suppress damning evidence and no press or witnesses can do much about that.

In conclusion; the democratic countries have the more controlled and accurate statistics. With negative statistics the Islamic countries can underreport or suppress evidence and look more "innocent" than the democratic countries. with positive statistics the Islamic countries simply cannot match either the performance or the reporting accuracy of the Democratic countries.

#top countries in both economic achievement and social values are Ireland, Demark, Luxembourg and New Zealand. Britain also ranks in the top ten. ………………
TOTAL CRIME STATISTICS ALL OVER THE WORLD;
1United States 11.88 million
2United Kingdom 6.52 million2002(TOP TEN economic achievement and social values UK, TOP FIVE IN CRIME ,MIRACLE IS IT?MY QUESTION IS DOES ECONOMIC PROGRESS LEADS THEM TO HUMANITY,PEACE, LOWEST CRIME ,MORAL VALUES.IDEAL CHARACTER ,LIKE ALL GOOD CHARACTERS ??????????? ) http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Cr…

You seem jealous and envious…is that why you are killer? Why do you like killing? Have you ever asked yourself that question? What does the killing do for you? Answer these questions for yourself and you may find the answers.

SINA!SINA!SINA! You still havent responded to the comment i made in your last article you coward! What is the point of your new site if you dont refute the comments made by the mujaheeds! By refusing to reply it just shows you have lost the debate and some people say you are the biggest critic.If you are the best i hate to see the worst and am just a student,can you imagine if i brought my master?
I am going to rectify your points but please dont hate me for embarrasing you and you dont have to respond(lol) since you are very good at starting fights but you never seem to end them.

//Islam does not recognize the laws made by people. The laws are made by God and the ruler, as the executioner of divine law, is not accountable to the people//
You are right on this one as muslims must submit to sharia.We believe that humans cant create their own laws as they will be unjust as a human did not create himself hence how can he make his own laws,he is playing god.A good example is gay marriage has been made legal by some countries mostly the christian ones and this is why we dont believe in man made laws as humans are legalising something which god forbid even the bible objects to such marriage but they dont care as they dont take their religion seriously

//To get rid of corruption, oppression injustice and inequality in Islamic countries, which according to Askari are not Islamic values, we could encourage Muslims to leave Islam and follow the lead of non-Muslim countries//
I dont know what is your problem but you are always looking at things on one side,so according to you we should leave islam and there wont be any corruption and injustice so that is your solution,what a pathetic answer,as if muslim countries are the only ones suffering from this well you are delusional,there are so many christians countries that suffer the same thing hence according to your logic they should leave christianity.

//Also Islam honors the institution of slavery. (Q 33:50, 23:5)//
Islam is not the only religion that practised slavery in fact slavery predate islam and other religions such as christianity also practised slavery.The christians were worse than muslims as they considered slaves subhuman because of their skin colour as they only made black slaves while in islam slavery had no race whether you are white,black or brown you were made a slave.Do you know that they use to separate blacks and whites in churches just because of their skin colour in a house of god while there was no such thing when it came to mosques as everyone was equal infront of god.I think the next thing they will legalise will be bestiality!!! Like Albert Einstein said 'the human stupidity has no limit.'

//As for economics, something Khomeini said, “is for the donkey,” Islam has very little to offer.//
So you are going to judge all muslims just because of one madman? I dont know which cave you came out of if you havent heard about the golden age.While the west were burning witches the islamic empire were the ones who were ahead.
I CAN GO ON AND ON BUT WHATS THE POINT AM EXHAUSTED AND I HAVE ANOTHER LIFE AND SINA JUST KEEPS ON REPEATING THE SAME BULLSHIT I.E LEAVE ISLAM.
i checked your twitter feed and i saw you only have 5000 followers LMAO! FOR THE BIGGEST CRITIC OF ISLAM who has dedicated his whole life TO GET RID OF ISLAM thats a disapointment,anyway keep on doing your thing even though its futile i salute your devotion.

Thank you St. Patrick for the unconditional love you gave my ancestors in the 380s-461, despite them initially eslaving you and taking you away from your life of privilege and wealth. St. Patrick please pray for us all, particularly everyone living in the Islamic nations at the bottom of Askari's list, they really need the blessing of unconditional love. Life in Ireland has never ever been easy, though the best asset the Irish have is that of luck. A man is better to be born lucky than rich, and remember; there is always a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow! Thanks Mr Sina for the article, Ashari's 'research' clealy demonstrates that Islam is the sole reason for their systemic failures. Also, I hope your twitter account resumes soon :)Thank you St. Patrick for the unconditional love you gave my ancestors in the 300s, despite them initially enslaving you. St. Patrick please pray for us all, particularly everyone living in the Islamic nations at the bottom of Askari's list, they really need the blessing of love. Life in Ireland has never ever been easy, though the best asset the Irish have is that of luck. A man is better to be born lucky than rich, and remember; there is always a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow! Thanks Mr Sina for the article, Ashari's 'research' clealy demonstrates that Islam is the sole reason for their systemic economic, social, political, and democratic failures. Also, I hope your twitter account resumes soon 🙂

I suspect malaysia's relatively high ranking is due to its large non-muslim population,which is nearly 40% of the population.As the muslim population increases,more islamic policies will be imposed on their citizens,which will naturally result in persecution of minorities and other barbaric practices.This will cause a rapid decline in malaysia's rankings.