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Wednesday, October 03, 2007

A loss for all men!

In NYC a sniveling bitch has been handed millions of a man’s bucks by claiming that she was “harassed” at work. Headlines claim her sexist lawsuit was “a victory for all women” which translates as a loss for all men. Read story

It has long been known that hiring a sniveling bitch is a serious financial risk for employers. Major employers have to budget millions of dollars every year to settle “women’s rights” lawsuits. Despite feminazi claims that women are “better at relationships” than men, in workplaces it seems that women are completely unable to maintain normal work relationships without special legal protections. The incompetence of women at relationships, and their special protected status at work was cast into law several decades ago. Most of the time employers just settle out of court, paying off greedy females who allege “harassment” which could be anything they “feel” that it is. In fact the “legal” definition of “harassment” is “what she feels is harassment. The State of New Mexico, for example, budgets several million dollars per year for settling “harassment” complaints. It’s part of the real (hidden) wages that women earn over men, and the real cost to employers of hiring a female.

When evil fembitch Anucha Browne decided that she had a chance of pocketing millions from the NY Knicks, they hired lawyers to fight her claim instead of quietly paying for her greed. Unfortunately for men, the NY courts are agents of feminiazi greed. They awarded Ms. Browne $11.6 million for the “pain” of suffering greed and “feeling” harassed at Madison Square Garden. Ms. Browne has been making the rounds of all the morning talk shows claming “a victory for all women.”

The other side of a victory for women is, of course a loss for all men. Men have been working in a hostile work environment for several decades since the “harassment” laws were passed. In the office where Bob worked the men were afraid to speak in the vicinity of the females for fear of losing our jobs if any female decided that she “feels” harassed. A US Army concluded that men in uniform are so fearful of being falsely accused of “harassment” that they avoid talking near the new female “soldiers.” According to the US Army study, the lack of communications due to “harassment” fears has compromised combat effectiveness. In other jobs the real fear that men now work under also significantly lowers job efficiency. Any employer is a damn fool to hire a female and be forever subject to paying millions if she has a hissy fit and “feels” harassed.

Once hired, females won’t work, you can’t fire them, and they are a huge financial risk.

"It was a stunning ending to a nasty three-week trial in which Browne Sanders was relentlessly attacked - and Thomas and MSG boss James Dolan were accused of running a workplace where women were called "bitches" and "ho's.""

Men do not have freedom of speech because we have not killed those who would take it from us.

Men are bigger, stronger, faster, and all around more capable of inflicting bodily harm, than women. The fact that we let women live, is proof that we can control ourselves.

And before you try to tell me that we only behave because the courts and the police force us to, remember that men created both of those institutions. And men overwhelmingly staff them. While I see those men as traitors to their gender, their country, and their species, they do, in fact, have Y chromosomes.

Men generally cannot control themselves and must be controlled. If men controlled themselves, you wouldn't have prisons filled with robbers, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, child molesters, arsonists. Most all the atrocities of this world are men's doings.

Having both genders works great with animals but human males clearly must die out and become extinct. They are nothing but trouble. To the garbage heap.

"Men generally cannot control themselves and must be controlled. If men controlled themselves, you wouldn't have prisons filled with robbers, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, child molesters, arsonists. Most all the atrocities of this world are men's doings.

Having both genders works great with animals but human males clearly must die out and become extinct. They are nothing but trouble. To the garbage heap.

October 03, 2007 6:21 PM"

Bob: it might be good to keep this post around. I don't want to be called a liar for lack of evidence when I say that women's rights activists, feminists, and general modern grrlz advocate the genocide of Men.

EVERYTHING of this world is men's doing. Good, bad, and indifferent. Name more than 2 great female scientists. Or explorers. Or inventors. Or philosophers. Or painters. Or... I could go on all night.

But that's only a side note. You clearly didn't understand my previous point, so I'll state it even more bluntly. We have the physical capacity to kill you at will. You would be our slaves, if we so chose. I'm slightly smaller than an average American man, yet I don't know a single woman with the strength to stop me from doing anything I want to her. So who does stop me? I do.

If you truly believed that men were incapable of controlling ourselves, you would be hiding from us right now. The fact that you feel free to openly call for our extinction, is proof that you can't even convince yourself that your delusions represent reality.

I'll not return your empty threats. A rottweiler doesn't bother growling at a chihuahua. They both know what happens when he's had enough.

"Men are bigger, stronger, faster, and all around more capable of inflicting bodily harm, than women. The fact that we let women live, is proof that we can control ourselves."

Not only are men more capable of inflicting bodily harm than women, men are more capable - period.

The fact is, men are the superior sex in terms of those practical skills that create and uphold society.

Women could have an IQ of 10, lie around on the couch all day, and society would STILL function smoothly and efficiently - because there would always be men running the show.

Women have been, and will always be, the second sex - second rate, that is. They are simply weak, helpless, and vulnerable without a man watching over them. They will always be weak and stupid without a man there to watch out and clean up after them.

And that really is Man's duty: to watch over women to make sure they (women) don't mess up and hurt themselves. We men are biologically programmed, as it were, to monitor women for their own good.

The duty of Man is also to make sure women are good, decent indivduals. And the only way to do that is to control, regulate, and dominate them.

Overly harsh, you say? We have 4 decades of women's liberation as proof of women's inability, incapability, and incompetence to conduct themselves in a decent fashion. Those 4 decades have proved women's natural inferiority relative to Man.

It is now up to Man to take control again. Men must discard everything they previously thought about the two sexes: men are not equal to women - that is an absurdity. Women are without question inferior because they are less capable, both physically, mentally, and morally.

To be sure, women do have a place in society - as subordinates to Man as he toils everyday for his family and his community. Women must devote herself to her man by caring for him and his children. That is her duty and responsibility that men must vigilantly enforce.

And the only situation in which she can do that is if she recognizes and accepts her second-rate status relative to Man.

Women are completely out of control. Almost half of children are now bastards in the USA, because female think with their ovaries. Half of marriages are destroyed by females, because females think with their ovaries.

And just this week we've read about one mother who drowned her children in a bathtub, and another who doused her children with gasoline and set them on fire. Yes, women are in complete control.

According to Wikipedia, Bobby Kent was beaten to death on July 15, 1993) by seven teenagers. The whole gang and Kent were a bunch of loser faggots and drug abusers. As often happens, some bimbo talks some sucker into doing her dirty work for her, only this time the bimbo's were involved in the murder. It's relevance to this topic is very tenuous.

There is nothing in that article which alleged that Mr. John Ashley was either emotional or irrational when he shot a scumbag lieyer and her staff. Your lack of reading comprehension demonstrates typical faminazi emotional bias and poor life skills.

It does appear that Mr. Ashley ought to have learned better gun control since the evil lieyer was only wounded, and none of the blue gun thugs he shot at were killed. Mr. Ashley was murdered by a gang of blue gun thugs wihout a trial or due process.

and guns are one way to get arrogant males on power trips to keep it in their goddamn pants.They aren't slaves to hormones, they rape because they get off on power, rape has NOTHING to do with sex.

I swear I wish every rapist that was convicted got his dick and balls removed Snip!The next time they try to force sex , just kill them.

We tolerate intolerable people doing intolerable shit way too much.

Rape will cease when it costs the rapist too much personally to even think of trying it.When rape is not tolerated to the point rape is the equivalent to a rapist committing suicide the rapists will stop it.Make rape hurt the rapist. BAD.That is justice."

The Bible's opinion: Deuteronomy 22

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

IE: He keeps what he has caught.

I wish the church of rome had alittle power so I could sic them on these women. Burning witches is a good thing.

Your supposition is very myopic, typical of feminist inability to think rationally. Mr. John Ashley was in a ton of trouble already, the lieyers would not leave him in peace. The lieyers could have avoided all the trouble by leaving Mr. Ashley alone, but lieyers, feminazi, and blue gun thugs are not like that.

Mr. Ashley was being attacked by the lieyers and their agents of Satan in black robes of hell. By his action he fought back and didn't just go quietly into hell like the wasted wimps you feminazi want as the fate of men.

Mr. Ashley is off topic on "A loss for all men" so further comments on Mr. Ashley will be deleted.

"Some bossy 20-year-old female intern mouthed off to my very high-ranking manager at work, and he didn't dare do a thing about it. That's how bad the workplace environment has become."

And it's also why women are ultimately second-rate creatures who should not even be in the workplace to begin with. Without a man watching over her, regulating and disciplining her behavior, a woman is not capable of self-control.

And that is why women can never be equals to men. It is baffling that American men do not acknowledge this basic reality more forthrightly.

I repeat: women are the inferior sex. Therefore, they CANNOT be equal to men. Women are not capable of acting responsibly as independent individuals. Tight controls MUST be externally imposed on their behavior.

Women are by nature creatures who cannot respect or love men without fearing dominant, superior male power. This basic fact must be understood and internalized by ALL men before coming up with any constructive solutions.

"Is this concept really that difficult for you American men to understand? Or are you just scared about using your superior male power to discipline a woman?"

What I observe is this: Atleast 25% to 35% of men in america are pro-women's rights. The rest seem not to be interested in women's rights and a subset of that rest is opposed to women's rights.

I also think that we are scared of using power because women here have the police at their full disposal and use them with frequency: If you hit any female you have to then kill the police that come to punish you (and then kill the traitorus female aswell).

"If it's the latter, then you richly deserve the scorn and ridicule that the Muslims are currently heaping on you."

I've not heard of any of their ridicule, it would be nice if we could see it. It might open some Men's eyes. Are there sites that are uncencored of this opinion (or any in english :P). The only muslim sites/blogs I see on the internet are that of pro-women's rights modern liberal muslim men/women and some jihadist sites written in arabic which I can't read.

While there may be some females who's individual tallents are applied dilligently at a work place, ALL women are defined by law a social incompetents who can not maintain normal working relationships without special legal protections. The special legal status of working females disrupts workplace communications, impairs efficiency, and significantly increases overall costs of any business that employes a female. These significantly increased costs are where the individual female is an exception and actualy has some skill and devotion to her work. For average lower qualified females who fail to perform at even average level, the additional costs for hiring females are huge. No sane employer would hire one if given a chance to hire a man instead.

Where I worked, there were outstanding female scientists who worked hard, got promotions, etc on their own merit. As did many males.

Females filled jobs from janitor, to receptionist, to IT tech. Many were good. Some were fired. All in all, everybody succeeded and we made a contribution working together. We didn't have any nutty ppl. No obsessing on office politics, EEO, etc. - we just worked.

If women are so worthless, why do you spend such an inordinate amount of time writing about them?

This is the kind of tactic I would expect from an American woman like you. Typically stupid and disgraceful.

But then, what else do you expect from an American woman?

Yes, you WOULD like me to believe that "women are worthless" - just to get me to shut up and not expose and condemn you North American women as the disgusting, repugnant individuals you are to men everywhere.

Having lived in the USA and abroad, and seen women from all over, I most certainly do believe that North American women (USA & Canada), in their current condition, are indeed worthless, thanks to the women's movement and the drive towards "gender equality."

Even though this is a rare moment where I indulge you American women by addressing you directly, I accomplish nothing by communicating to women. They behave too childishly (as is their nature) in the face of reasoned criticism.

OTOH I do accomplish something by communicating to MEN, because by addressing them directly, they are apt do something constructive to control and discipline women.

And when a Man takes control of a woman (as he must), there really is very little she can do. She can only appeal to the male instinct to protect her - which of course requires her submissiveness.

Not a 'tactic', a fair question. Explain so we'll all empathasize with you:

Why not just leave women alone? They cause you so much pain you sure don't need then.

Why control every minute aspect of women's lives?

You always claim you don't 'address women', yet by posting here, you are hoping women will read and you can once again administer a verbal beating. (a beating that makes you feel worse, never better). You're like people who mutter to themselves, hoping their targets will really hear them.

Indeed you are right Mikee. Normal straight men who love women are the ones who care that modern females have turned themselves into bitches and whores. Gay men side with the feminazi because they have no use for women and hate straight men.

Not a 'tactic', a fair question. Explain so we'll all empathasize with you:(rest of North American woman nonsense snipped)

What typical stupidity from an American woman.

To think that I would write for empathy - empathy - from females is incredibly stupid and silly.

Once again, you as a liberated North American woman display your distinctly inferior thinking abilities. You're just way out of your league, trying to engage in intelligent dialog for which you as a woman are neither qualified nor capable of taking part in.

(To the men, now) And that's really it - it's not a woman's place to impose herself in a rational, serious discussion that only men are qualified to take part in.

And that discussion is about how to control and discipline women's behavior that has become immoral and utterly disrespectful towards men.

Women are simply out of this discussion entirely, despite this American woman's futile attempt to insert herself in it.

Bob you say women don't work on the job, but didn't most of us here have teachers who taught us the basics of reading, writing, arithmetic?

Most elementary teachers in the old days (1950s when I attended), were women. They did a thorough job because without a good foundation, none of us could have moved on to more difficult tasks. And while I am at it I'd remember the countless Mothers who nursed children, changed diapers, cleaned vomit, did all those good basic things. That's work, not a lazy vacation.

I can't tell whether you've missed Bob's point completely, or you're trying to make it for him. The things you describe are the things most of us here think women SHOULD be doing. Cooking, cleaning, teaching young children, and generally taking care of their families, is the work women have traditionally done. You're better at it than we are. I don't think anyone here has a problem with women doing what women do. What bothers us is when women insist on doing what men do. It doesn't work out well, and it leads to most of the other problems we discuss here.

Oh boy, I certainly wouldn't want the US to abolish women's rights. If a man can work and vote and other things then why can't I? I work hard, I should have the job I want to get, and in my work place I have been told numerous times that I work better than the boys, not because one sex is superior over the other, but because I actually do my work.

Every person, man or women, has a right to do their job without being harrassed, belittled, or tormented. I would like to say I would award the same rights to any man who felt he was being harrassed in the workplace.

What men need to realise is that what is considered "men's work" and "women's work" are purely sociological and implied by hegomonic masculinity. Men can perfectly well do household chores and women can perfectly well be successful breadwinners and educated individuals. I support any person striving for what they want to do in life so long as that does not involve hurting a fellow human being.

Case and point, I'm a 22-year-old women. I'm top of the class in my 3rd year university cell biology program (yes gents, I've beaten the boys, and if you think I'm getting marked easily or being whiny, it's rather too bad that all papers are identified by a student NUMBER rather than a name so the instructor has no bias, and I have never appealed a grade). I have recieved a variety of scholorships, run my own tutoring buisness, have already been approved and funded for undergraduate scientific research (women can't make significant discoveries eh?), and have had the ability to buy my own car and hopefully soon my own house (Both my parents taught me well about finances). To top that off, I can still do my household work and maintain a healthy relationship with my boyfriend (Who, for the record, is a big boy, and doesn't need me to do the chores at his place because he no longer has his mommy around). I am far from a bitch and a whore, I do not control the men in my relationships, I am just very picky as to who I start one with in the first place. If he were ever to start change and beating me? (Which, I know he wouldn't) Bye bye he would go. I'm sorry to say this guys, but wouldn't you want to divorce me if I all of a sudden decided it was justified to use my Tai Kwan Do skills on you?

Whether you like it or not, being born with a Y chromosome does not make you already ahead of the rest of the population. Hard work, dedication, and respect for your fellow man (or woman!) is what brings you to the top in the world today. So sorry its no longer a free ride, society no longer rewards lazyness or injustice.

Amy said, "Every person, man or women, has a right to do their job without being harrassed, belittled, or tormented."

Current "harassment" laws reduce women to 2nd class status while permanently putting men into a hostile work environment whenever a female is also working. Employere have to discount females for the costs of risk and cost of disruption that her special priviledges cause to the work of other employees. If Amy or any other female wants to be "equal" you must be equal, drop your special priviledged status, and learn to maintain normal relationships at work.

I don't see myself or any other women as given a special privledged status. If a man was to be harrassed at work I do not see it as a problem for him to follow a similar plan of action. No place I have ever worked has given me what I would have considered special privledges. I expect the men to treat me with respect and they can expect the same from me, regardless where we are on the hierarchy scale. There were no special privledges or considerations made for any paticular job I have been hired for in what could be considered a tradionally male workplace (In my case, I worked for an oil and gas company between high school and university). The only consideration I ever remember being made is that because a firm wanted to hire a friend of mine, they had to add a women's washroom as there was not one at the time (for some odd reason).

From what I'm seeing here Bob, is that you think its okay to call a successful women a "bitch" or a "whore" and not expect retaliation when it is a pure example of harrassment. Harrassment of any form can not and should not be tolerated in any enviroment whatsoever. In this case it did also mention that the man guilty of harrassment was "coming onto her", while I do not know what exactly that translates into, this could be an example of a threat to her saftey.

Whether you like it or not Bob, these legal cases arise because men like you seem to think we are incompetents and feel the need to treat us as so. Real men have the ability to treat us with respect and we do respond in the same fashion. In addition to this, if we look at statistics MORE women than men are gaining university degrees (at least in my area, the numbers represented are 60/40, a lot more men seem to be going into the constuction/labour forces because it is such a building boom), so how does that translate to so many apparently "below average" workers being added to a list of employees where a requirement is 50 to 1?

Amy said, "I don't see myself or any other women as given a special privledged status."

Get out the boats and man the oars. De Nile is running at full flood.

Your special privilege and protected status is such that men have to be "walking on eggshells" any time a female is in their vicinity at work. Your denial doesn’t make females into equal employees. And your special privileges cost employers so much that females who take home 75% of men’s pay are over paid.

For more reading on the status of females at work see the Recommend Reading and follow the link from here: http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/03/recommended-reading.html

Bob, could you please post a link to me about this apparent extra 25%+ that you guys have to pay to employ me? The link you gave provides no reference.

When I worked at my office job, I did in fact get paid just as much as the guys at the same level, and there were no special considerations made for me that I at least know of. I don't think refraiming from using derogatory comments or trying not to jump me sexually is exactly walking on eggshells. If your mother raised you well it should be common courtesy to do so.

Also a note to you Bob, if we didn't have men like you around, we wouldn't have to be concerned about women's rights. Real men treat us like equals, hands down.

Even in office jobs females take a lot more time off, work fewer hours, disrupt the work, and cost more to employ. Every large company and government agency has to budget large funds for "harassment" priviledges. Even the US Army has studies that demonstrate the presence of females compromises combat effectiveness because the men are so affraid of getting sued for "harassment" that they stop talking.

Real men will treat you like equals when, and if you start acting like equals, doing an equal share of the work, and not hiding behind a wide array of special priviledges. Attitudes like yours make that day a long way off.

Bob, when I said articles, I wanted real sources. Point me to sociological and economic studies, relevent sources of statistics. Poorly done pages with anecdotle evidence and lots of pretty pictures do not constitute evidence on any standpoint. They are simply a person spewing an opinion with no qualified resources to back up claims.

For the record, I have always done an equal share of the work and often more. My attitude on this will not change as the women I know are like that. Maybe men should just learn how to behave properly if they want this excess money not to be spent. I would rather not have cash spent towards harrassment, but so long as you people continue to belittle us, the funding will be considered nessisary. I would like to know where you are on the corporate scale anyway and if your problem has to do with the inability to secure resonable employment. My father himself is the CEO of a large company and employs close to an equal number of men and women, not due to fear of discrimination but because he hires who is BEST QUALIFIED. Qualification does not equal a penis in a good buisnesspersons world. For the record, several of the VPs and well as the CFO are women and are praised by the buisness community. It certainally seems that you believe a women like me, regardless of my intellegence as well as efforts, belongs being a slave housewife to a man like you.

For the record Bob, what do you consider harrassment? Do you think its okay for adults to behave like small children throwing insults, violating personal space, and sending threats? I certainally hope not.

Note to Amy: You are still being indocrinated by 14 years of discrimiatory feminist hate training, been rewarded with acolades, and think you know it all. It's often been said that youth should rule the world while they are still young and still know everything.

If you want "studies" you can look them up yourself, your "women's studeis" hate training probably has thousands and all of them filed with the usual lies and propaganda. You turn your back on real world experience and pretend that the fiction you've been given at university has some relevance.

You say, "For the record, I have always done an equal share of the work and often more." While that is theoretically possible, I've personally known tousands of females in work situations over several decades and have yet to meet a single one who did an equal share. Many disrupt more work than they accomplish. Many get to do the easy non-work (and not very much of that) while men do the real work of the company.

There is no point in arguing with a young twit still wet behind her ears. You know it all and will not listen. You are a classic example of why it's so expensive to employ females. Any sane employer would hire a female like Amy only if there were no men available for the job.

Never said I knew it all Bob, and never will say I will. However, I do require legitimate studies and statistics by acredited organizations before I agree with a viewpoint, especially one that affects my rights as a human being so dramatically. For the record, there is a large number of male sociologists, psychologists, and economists where I do see a legitimate possibility for studies upon your claims that would not be female biased. In this case, I will simply have to be convinced that there are none in exsistance backing up the claims that you speak of. Whether you like it or not, anything of opinion (whether it is for or against either of ours) can be posted on the internet. What I want to see are where these figures actually came from. Are they current? Do they follow a resonable scientific method? Who funded them? What theories do they follow?

While you say this argument is over, I am presenting you with a challenge Bob. Are you brave enough to take it?

By the way, it certainally shows a lot about a person when a 63 year old man has to end an argument with a young adult by relatilating to name calling.

As you may already know that in many "basic" patriarchal societies, females were observed and denoted as the "weaker sex". This applied idea stemmed from the types of work from either sex. This differentiation as some deem coming from "an aptitude difference" is incorrect. In actually, many studies have shown that the overall aptitude between men and women are seemingly identical. However, these same studies show that the way these tasks are accomplished (both done equally well) are accomplished using different parts of the brain These attributed differences have been linked to the environmental up bring of the child. To explain this concept on a more fundamental level, children (boys or girls) that have been brought up in similar environments excelled at the same task using identical parts of the brain; where as different environmental up-bringing resulted in the children using different parts of the brain to excel equally at the task. So, what I am trying to say is that your idea that men are superior to women is incorrect. If you want to have an opinion, you must have a reasonable and logical proof on a scientific level to back it up. Furthermore, in many cases where men despised or have a lower opinion of women has been linked abuse of the individual suffered during childhood by the hand of the mother (DeMauses Theory).

You definitely have your opinions, but you have to understand that you cannot force your beliefs or opinions on others. Here is something for you to think about, the first woman was created from the rib of a man. She was not made from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal to him"

For this world to be a place of equality, individuals must understand and let go of this "basic patriarchal beliefs" and move on to advanced civil tolerance.

Note to James:It doesn't matter how many time you recite the misandrist dogma of the feminiazi. Lies don't become truth by repetition. The truth is that females are not equal and never have been. MEN, not women, have created everything that allows you and me to survive every day. Real men do all the real work that provides all the food, housing, clothing, transportation, energy, and everything else important for your life.

All of the so-called studies the fmenists have published over the past century have not made feamles into equals to men. Every field of endeavor men are the best, and in anything really difficult females aren't even represented. Whenever there is real work to do, you won't find females. And wheever there is nice, clean, inside jobs the large majority of females can't even do an equal succss there. Whenever there is a majority of females in a company it loses money or goes out of business.

Despite all the hate training you may have learned in K-12 and University, out in the real world their fiction falls apart. Time to grow up, bro. Drop the female misandry and grow some gonads. Tell the femorrhoids to pound sand.

A general trend I see in these sites is that you think any gain for women's rights is a loss for men's. I'd have more respect for your views of harrasment laws if you didn't continue by showing you're views of women as incompetent, irrational and incapable, despite all empirical and everyday evidence that shows women are just as competatant, rational and capable as men (not more, not less). Sex differences, where they exist, are so minor and so generalised that they are impossible to apply at an individual level. Please try to understand this before you attempt to reply with some pop-psychology finding.You're rants suggest you hate women, to an irrational degree. Most women, and most feminists, do not want to take your rights, your balls, or anything else you seemed so concerned for. They just want equil treatment. I would suggest a certain level of projection and paranoia in your perception of most feminists.There are some extremists, they are not representative of the general feminist population.

We've heard that same old tired feminazi lie, "I just want equal treatment," for going on two centuries. It still won't be true if you repeat it for another two centuries.

Harassment laws hurt females by making you less desirable employees and permanently defining you as incompetent employees who are unable to have normal relationships at work without special, extra cost, protection laws. Harassment laws hurt employers and hurt men.

If you really wanted to be equal you would get off your fat ass and go to work instead of hiding behind a century of feminist hate. There is no chance that fat sows will ever be equal because you will never stop your lies and hate.

Hello Bob, you said"Lies don't become truth by repetition." and I could not have said it better myself.

So I took up the challenge that Amy gave you and found this. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/paygapgrows.htm

Turns out your numbers were right, you just kinda switched male and female...

I am an aeronautical engineering student, so I know how bad switching labels can be. (Pressure on the top of the wing, pressure on the bottom, trust me you do NOT want to be in an aircraft where the designer switched them.)

Am I indoctrinated by your 'feminazis' ?(Which by the way Godwin's Law states that you automatically lose the argument. Since feminists, even the most extreme ones, have not done anything comparable to mass genocide.) I do not believe I am, for as I said I go to an engineering school, where the male to female ratio is 3 to 1, and there is an even larger gap on the staff. Despite the ratio I know that the girls here are equally capable to the guys. There is one girl in my Aeroelasticity Class who not only scores in the top percent of the class but also helps several of her guy friends as well. Their grades and understanding have improved since they started working with her.

Note to MarsEagle: Reciting that old tired lie about women being underpaid will never make it true. When females start doing equal work and stop costing employers more to hire them than they are paid, then and only then will female pay equal men's pay. Reciting old tired lies will not change the refusal of females to do honest work. At 75% of men's total pay, females are way overpaid for the amount of work they actually do.

Reciting a small list of the few famous females of history, most of whom inherited their positions from powerful men, does not change the refusal and failure of most females today. Sorry, toots, fat sows whining about what you "deserve" does not equal quality work.

3)Failure at mathematics. While it is true that full time working women work on average 7.7 hours a day compared to 8.3 hours per day for men, this means that they get payed 76% of what men do for working 92% of what men work. This means that they only receive 81% of what men do per hour. Which means that they are still underpaid.

4) Attacking my list goes both ways, most male rulers in history inherit their position as well.

5) Typing on a computer. Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper developed the first compiler, which translates source code into machine code. If we did not have this computers would be decades behind where they are now. Also if you ever said that your computer has a bug, she is the one that brought that phrase into popularity.

6) Ad hominem arguments. It really shows your lack of maturity when you call people names such as "fat sows" or "young twit still wet behind her ears".

Note to MarsEagle:1. So-called “Godwin’s law” is fiction. Obviously you don’t’ have the mental capacity to distinguish reality from fiction.

2. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…… If you are male you have serious mental problems. Self hatred is a long established psychosis.

3. Your repetition of feminist lies does not turn your sow’s ear into a silk purse. The number of hours is irrelevant to work done. Females who gossip and disrupt work 12 yours a day are not as valuable as men who do the heavy lifting. Been there, done that. Its far too common at work. Most females reduce productivity more than they contribute. The company often would be more productive if it was allowed to fire them all.

4. LOL. You mistake anecdote for data. Its so typical of feminazi propaganda.

5. Revisionist history does not turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse. I’ve been involved with computer science since computers were programmed with patch cords. All the huge advances in computers were done by men, with females being ancillary. Females had nothing to do with the development of early computer languages like Fortran, Cobol, etc. nor with BASIC and consumer computer languages and of course the GUI front end. Your feminazi propaganda is full of crapola.

5. Digressing into standard feminazi shaming tactics only demonstrates how bad your lies have become. Pathetic fat sows who act like children and repeat old tired feminiazi propaganda lies have no claim on “maturity.”

Wait... there's the "tired old lie" women arn't equal and then you say we don't deserve/arn't capable/don't try for the same wage and that's why we arn't equal. So we're not equal and feminists arn't lying then?

And psychosis: you hold contradictory, extreme and irrational beliefs(irrational becuase you lack evidence and do not present contradictory evidence - in the post above you dismissed the law as a lie without explaination) - that is more typical of a psychosis (according to the DSM) than self hatred (a typical human trait unless taken to an extreme).

And before you retort, please note: I work extremely hard; I do not hate men at all; I want equal treatment when I do the same job as a man; I have a high IQ, am capable, logical and not fat; I don't sue people when upset, nor do I intend to; and I do not wish to have your balls.

Even if you refuse to approve this, I hope you read it, and maybe tone down your irrational hatred somewhat. You promote the male chauvanist image that prevents women from trusting many men, and you do more harm for male rights than good (especially rights to equal custody, which is something I am concerned about, because you make it sound like women are the only ones designed to raise children. See, I do honestly care about men's rights.)

Note to Anonymous said.(April 15, 2008 2:33 PM) Whether you intend now to sue anyone or not is irrelevant. Your employer has to budget for your special protection status and the average cost of females suing. He has to allow for the loss of productivity of men who work in you vicinity and are afraid to speak normally because of your protected status.

It is also true that even females who claim that they work as hard as the men actually never do so. I was aware of the “sick leave” status at the last institution I worked for and virtually 100 of the females failed to accumulate sick leave after 10 years. The men, in contrast, had all accumulated months of unused leave. Females just don’t work the same hours as men, disrupt the work place, and are more expensive to employ.

The real psychosis is your own psychotic beliefs in obvious fiction. Like believing that little green men live in the walls, you believe that females do as much work as men, and don’t cost the employer more. You need serious psychotic help with your delusions.