The three gospels do contradict with John as he goes on the gnostic side and I am sure you know that other gnostic gospels were rejected.

If that was true, would the text have been included in the canon? What are the contradictions you speak of? If you are thinking of some minor inconsistencies in the accounts, sure… this is what you would expect of 4 people speaking about some paste events. It is the same in any court of law. If you compare John to the synoptics you find that some things are presented in a different order, for example, so sure, there are discrepancies, but that does not amount to one fundamentally contradicting the other.

And gnostic? Well, perhaps you have a different notion of “gnostic”. Gnosticism is an approach to religious teaching that can be found in ANY religion. It’s fundamental idea is that you have to be “worthy” to learn the doctrine of a religion, which is secret to outsiders or cannot be understood unless you convert first. SAM has frequently shown himself to be gnostic, as he suggests that unless you say the shahada first you cannot understand the Qur’an.Christianity has from the start rejected that idea, and that is partly why it was persecuted in ancient Rome. John makes comparisons to Logos and Light which were in the past seen by some suggesting Gnosticism, such as Bultman. The arguments of Bultmann and his school were seriously compromised by the mid-20th-century discoveries of the Nag Hammadi library of genuine Gnostic writings (which are dissimilar to the Gospel of John) as well as the Qumran library of Jewish writings (which are often similar to the Gospel of John). The fundamental difference is that to a Gnostic salvation comes from KNOWLEDGE, and that is clearly not what John teaches.

The three gospels do not show any divinity of Jesus but John's gospel led to it.

Again this is not quite right. The synoptics are less “in your face” about the divinity of Christ than John, but they lead the reader to reach that conclusion. Matthew mentions things like he is called “God is with us”, or that he raised the dead, or that he had authority of the Sabbath, for example. John takes a rather more direct approach, as chapter one shows. And the gospels are not the earliest Christian texts, Paul’s letters are, and he had already taught that.

By the way, I do not believe that the disciple John wrote it, because Peter and John were both illiterate.

John was the son of a priest, so he would have had some education. And even a blind, disabled or illiterate man can produce a text if he gets the right help. Mohammed, we hear, was illiterate, and yet you have no problem accepting he produced the Qur’an (or at least some of it)….

And you have not yet explained what “injeel” the Qur’an confirms…. The Qur’an does not say “bits of it”, now, does it?

SAM wrote:It's been 2 thousand years where he is? Zionist Jews like you believe in rebuilding the Temple of Solomon, he will come down from hell to become the King of Jews to rule the world ..

Most important is, today Jerusalem a unified city - reverted back to its original owners who built it some 3300 years ago. It is united and at its glory is restored.

Despite Muslims wet dream, Jews control this city will last forever. Why? because it is Allah's wish. As he turned sour on Muslims, he has reverted back to his favourite sons (Jews).

yah Ahmar, Yah Majnun - ever wondered how a tiny group of Jews there managed to defeat Muslims 100 time larger?.

How do you explain the difference between prosperity and freedom in Israel to continued poverty, low education, and barbarism so prevalent throughout Islamic countries - IT IS ALLAH FINGER IN IT!!!!

It is clear that Allah has abandoned & turned his back on you. He is sick & tired seeing Muslims blind hatred of his chosen people - More than that, he sees how Muslims spill each other's blood in such crazy magnitude, and thinks - Oy Vey!!! these people really are crazy & meshugeneh and want nothing to do with them.

Finally. you better stop insulting manfred, because Allah may punish you in hell.

Palestininas are descendants of the Canaanites? Not a chance.Just remember that the name "Palestinians" was concocted only in 1964. Prior to that, they called themselves mere "Arabs". Otherwise, nowhere else they are labelled as such in any official or unofficial documents. Obviously, the very reason they took that name to fool the uninformed crowd into believing these Palestinians are connected to the Cana'anites. THEY ARE NOT.

Their last (Family) name reveals the country of their origin - such as: Al Massri = the Egyptian, Al Urduni = the Jordanian, El Iraqi = the Iraqi, Al Lubnani = the Lebanese.

When they will submit their DNA test result to show their true roots - no one will believe them.

Hombre wrote:Palestininas are descendants of the Canaanites? Not a chance.Just remember that the name "Palestinians" was concocted only in 1964. Prior to that, they called themselves mere "Arabs". Otherwise, nowhere else they are labelled as such in any official or unofficial documents. Obviously, the very reason they took that name to fool the uninformed crowd into believing these Palestinians are connected to the Cana'anites. THEY ARE NOT.

Their last (Family) name reveals the country of their origin - such as: Al Massri = the Egyptian, Al Urduni = the Jordanian, El Iraqi = the Iraqi, Al Lubnani = the Lebanese.

When they will submit their DNA test result to show their true roots - no one will believe them.

The Ashkenazi Jews like you are not the owners of the Land of the Canaanites. Get out and go back to Eastern Europe.

Ashkenazi Jews claim that Palestinians are Arab invaders because they speak Arabic. Canaanites were the ancient inhabitants of Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, and unsurprisingly Lebanese and Syrians have proven to be of Canaanite origin as well. Canaanites are the only people living in these lands, which means Palestinians.

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

So, Sam, to sum up your curious points.... Muslims violently and bloody conquered Constantinople and many other places, and they are totally entitled to keep it. Jews conquer a tiny bit of land, taken from them long ago, but they are wicked and must hand it to some Arab immigrants, mostly because Jews are apes and pigs or something like that. And there is a "people" who the Jews treat badly called the "Palestinians", suddenly appearing in 1979 ...

SAM wrote: Ashkenazi Jews like you are not the owners of the Land of the Canaanites. Get out and go back to Eastern Europe.

Ashkenazi Jews claim that Palestinians are Arab invaders because they speak Arabic. Canaanites were the ancient inhabitants of Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, and unsurprisingly Lebanese and Syrians have proven to be of Canaanite origin as well. Canaanites are the only people living in these lands, which means Palestinians.

50% of the Jews in Israel (Sephardis) are from the middle east & other Arab & Islamic countries.

They are the descendants of those Jews whose ancestors in 625 ACE were expelled by Muhammad from Madina, Yatribe & Khybar (today's Saudi Arabia)

When Saudi Arabia will agree to return these places to Jews - then come here and we will talk about "Palestinians" right to the land of Israel.

As for the "Canaanites". If the Palestinian's claim to be descents is any true - they would subject themselves to DNA test - which they absolutely refuse, to prove their origin - Much like Jews did and the discovery of their Y-Chromosome pointing to Jews unmitigated presence in the land of Israel.

I am still waiting for your answer to this question, please answer it.

The pagans had their own rituals. They did not pray five times, did not recite any scripture, did not fast, did not go for Hajj, did not walk to and fro Safa and Marwah, did not throw stones at the three locations, did not gather in Arafaat, did not stay in Mina and did not offer Friday or Hajj prayers

Please explain the differences between these pagan rituals, and the rituals Muslims perform today.

I am still waiting for your answer to this question, please answer it.

The pagans had their own rituals. They did not pray five times, did not recite any scripture, did not fast, did not go for Hajj, did not walk to and fro Safa and Marwah, did not throw stones at the three locations, did not gather in Arafaat, did not stay in Mina and did not offer Friday or Hajj prayers

Please explain the differences between these pagan rituals, and the rituals Muslims perform today.

A quick answer, frankie.

Pagan Meccans did not do any of the following:

1. They had no Scripture.

2. They did not pray like the Muslims prayed. They used to clap, whistle and make some sort of noisy chanting.

3. They never fasted in the month of Ramadan.

4. They paid no Zakaath.

5. They did not do Sa'aee the walk between Safa and Marwa.

6. They did not perform any Hajj.

8. Never prayed at Arafaat.

9. Never stayed and prayed in Mina. Did not pass through Muzdalfa.

10. Did not throw stones at the three locations of Jhamra.

11. They never celebrated Eidul Fitr.

12. They never celebrated Eidul Adha.

13. They never offered the animal sacrifice which Muslims did immediately after Hajj.

I am still waiting for your answer to this question, please answer it.

The pagans had their own rituals. They did not pray five times, did not recite any scripture, did not fast, did not go for Hajj, did not walk to and fro Safa and Marwah, did not throw stones at the three locations, did not gather in Arafaat, did not stay in Mina and did not offer Friday or Hajj prayers

Please explain the differences between these pagan rituals, and the rituals Muslims perform today.

A quick answer, frankie.

Pagan Meccans did not do any of the following:

1. They had no Scripture.

2. They did not pray like the Muslims prayed. They used to clap, whistle and make some sort of noisy chanting.

3. They never fasted in the month of Ramadan.

4. They paid no Zakaath.

5. They did not do Sa'aee the walk between Safa and Marwa.

6. They did not perform any Hajj.

8. Never prayed at Arafaat.

9. Never stayed and prayed in Mina. Did not pass through Muzdalfa.

10. Did not throw stones at the three locations of Jhamra.

11. They never celebrated Eidul Fitr.

12. They never celebrated Eidul Adha.

13. They never offered the animal sacrifice which Muslims did immediately after Hajj.

The pagans performed many of the rituals on your list, as pre Islamic history and Islam’s own history prove.

But it is the chief god of these pagans,held at the Kaaba, why these rituals were performed originally, which is the most notable and significant.

The Kaaba is a pagan relic, still used by Muslims, it encases another pagan relic, a stone, which Muslims venerate today, only because Mohammed did.

Stones only have relevance in paganism; they have no relevance in the worship of the God of the Bible, which the Quran falsely claims for its author.

Quran 5.97

Allah has made the Kaaba, the Sacred House, standing for the people and [has sanctified] the sacred months and the sacrificial animals and the garlands [by which they are identified]. That is so you may know that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and that Allah is Knowing of all things.

Kissing, Touching or Saluting the Hajar al-Aswad• Kissing – If you manage to get close enough to the Hajar al-Aswad, place both hands on it, place your face between your hands, say “bismi llāhi wallāhu akbar (ِسْمِ اللَّهِ وَاللّٰهُ أَكْبَرُ)” and kiss it lightly without making a kissing sound. Some scholars have said it is preferable to kiss it three times, if you have the chance.• Touching – If it crowded, touch the Hajar al-Aswad with your hand(s) and kiss your hand(s). This is called Istilam.• Saluting – If it isn’t possible to reach the stone, as is likely to be the case, perform a symbolic Istlamic from afar. To do this, face the Hajar al-Aswad directly and raise your hands up to your earlobes (as you would do when starting Salah) ًnsure your palms are also facing it, as though your face and hands are on the Hajar al-Aswad and say “bismi llāhi wallāhu akbar (ِسْمِ اللَّهِ وَاللّٰهُ أَكْبَرُ).” You may kiss your palms thereafter if you so wish.• The following supplication may also be read at the beginning of Tawaf or when you’re kissing, touching or saluting the Hajar al-Aswad for the first time:• سْمِ اللَّهِ وَاللّٰهُ أَكْبَرُ، اللَّهُمَّ إِيْمَاناً بِكَ وَتَصْدِيْقاً بِكِتَابِكَ، وَوَفَاءً بِعَهْدِكَ، وَاتِّبَاعاً لِسُنَّةِ نَبِيِّكَ مُحَمَّدْ• Bismi llāhi wa llāhu akbar, Allāhumma īmānan bika wa taṣdīqan bi kitābika wa wafā’an bi ahdika wattibā’an li sunnati nabiyyika Muḥammadin ﷺ.• “In the name of Allah, Allah is the greatest. O Allah, out of faith in You, conviction in Your book, in fulfilment of Your covenant and in emulation of Your Prophet’s Sunnah” ﷺ.

Mohammed may have destroyed most of the pagan idols held at the Kaaba, but he kept the “greatest “of them, Al Ilah aka Allah which became the god of Islam, the pagan counterpart to the Bible God YHWH.

Mohammed and his family were named after this particular god, proving Allah had significance at the time Mohammed lived, and before he was born.

This god had intercessing daughters Al Lat “the goddess “and Al Manet,who were prayed to by the pagan Arabians.

Mohammed just proclaimed this god to be the only one, and got rid of the rest.

What you worship today is this same god, held together with the same rituals known and performed by Mohammed and the pagan Arabs before Islam.

The claim that Islam has its roots in the faith of Abraham is proved to be false, as Abraham was led away from paganism to worship the one true God YHWH, who is a Father to mankind, not Allah, who is a father to no one.

Islam is nothing more than repackaged paganism made to appear a bona fide faith, which it provably is not.

Allāh (Arabic: الله) is the Meccan creator god and the supreme deity of the pre-Islamic Arabian pantheon, who was worshiped by the pagan Arabs primarily in times of despair, need and drought as he was believed to grant life-giving rain and intervene in times of extreme crisis. The three chief goddesses of Mecca; al-Lāt, al-'Uzzā and Manāt, were believed to be his daughters and were invoked alongside many other deities to intercede for the worshiper on behalf of Allāh: all the tribes of pre-Islamic Arabia venerated him as the High God and supreme being, but direct worship of him was rare. After creating the universe, Allāh then retired into the position of a silent and remote spectator who dwelt in 'Aliyyin (Hebrew: Elyon), the highest heaven, and only intervened in human affairs in extreme cases of drought or danger. In pre-Islamic Arabia, the practice of calling upon God or gods to send rain ('istisqā') continued with Islam although the practice of calling upon any other god other than Allah is a grave sin in Islam.

Although the pagan Arabians believed in a multitude of gods or ālihah, they knew Allah to be the Lord (Rabb) of the Heavens (as-Samawat) and the Earth (al-'Ardh), and as the ultimate deity with authority over the gods, angels, jinn and mankind: existing before Time (Dahr) itself and was described as being "neither accident nor essence". The concept of a high god, creator deity and supreme deity with power over all the other gods was common to the mythologies of all the ancient Semitic religions; the Arabian Allah playing the same role as the Babylonian Ilu; the Phoenician Elos; the Aramaean Elaha; the Hebrew Eloah, and the Canaanite El. In pre-Islamic Arabian religion, the words "ilāh" (god) and "ilāhat" (goddess) were used to refer to any deities other than Allāh. The belief in Allāh among the polytheists of Mecca was so prominent that even the most notable opponents of Muhammad, in particular with Amr ibn Hisham al-Makhzumi (Abu Jahl) and Abd al-'Uzza ibn Abd al-Muttalib al-Hashmi (Abu Lahab), would often swear oaths by his name.

Al-Lāt (Arabic: اللات) is the Meccan mother goddess and the chief deity of the tribe of Banu Thaqif whose major seat of worship was a popular shrine which was located at the west Arabian town of at-Ta’if in the Hijaz region of Arabia. The idol of al-Lāt was a cube of white granite, which was in the custody of the clan of Banu ‘Attab ibn Malik of the tribe of Banu Thaqif; the nearby tribes of Banu Lihyan; Banu Hawazin; Banu Khuza'a, and Banu Quraysh also making regular pilgrimages to Ta'if to offer their worship. The goddess was reputed to enjoy offerings of barley porridge (sawiq) and small cereal cakes: her devotees prepared these dishes especially, as barley and other grains were considered symbolic of her. Animals that were considered sacred to al-Lāt included gazelle; lions, and camels, among others depending on the region and tribe, as the cult of the goddess was found all across Arabia and as far as Palmyra in southern Syria.

The Arabian tribes living around Mecca regularly sought the blessing and protection of al-'Uzza by offering sacrifices of animals and rarely human slaves or prisoners of war at an altar (‘Itr, madhbah) called al-Ghabghab which was located near the temple of Buss. The powerful Meccan tribe of Banu Quraysh would call upon al-'Uzza as a war goddess before going into battle and their women would perform music and sing chants exalting al-'Uzza; such as they did against the early Muslims in the Battle of Uhud. The last custodian (sadin) of al-'Uzza's shrine was a man named Dubayyah ibn Haram as-Sulami, who had a reputation of being exceptionally generous, kind and hospitable until he was slain by Khalid ibn al-Walid, an early convert to Islam; who had also cut down the sacred trees of the goddess and destroyed her shrine upon the orders of Muhammad: this was done in order to effectively put an end to the cult of al-'Uzza among the Arabs of the Hijaz.....

“We have been told that the Apostle of God oncementioned al-Uzza saying, "I have offered a white sheep to al-'Uzza, while I was a follower of the religion of my people." The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka'bah and say:

"By Allat and al-'Uzza, And Manah, the third idol besides. Verily they are the most exalted females[15] Whose intercession is to be sought[16]."

These were also called "the Daughters of Allah[17]," and were supposed to intercede before God. When the Apostle of God was sent, God revealed unto him [concerning them] the following:

Have you seen Allat and al-'Uzza, and Manah the third idol besides? What? Shall ye have male progeny and God female? This indeed were an unfair partition! These are mere names: ye and your fathers named them thus: God hath not sent down any warranty in their regard[18]."

The Quraysh had dedicated to it, in the valley of Hurad, a ravine (shi'b) called Suqam[19] and were wont to vie there with the Sacred Territory of the Ka'bah. Abu-Jundub al-Hudhali[20] (also al-Qirdi), describing a woman with whom he was in love, composed the following verses and mentioned in them a vow which she made to him swearing by al-'Uzza:”The Quraysh were wont to venerate [al-'Uzza]. The Ghani[55] and the Bihilah[56], too, joined the Quraysh in her worship. The Prophet, therefore, dispatched Khalid ibn-al-Walid, who cut down the trees, destroyed the house, and demolished the idol[57].

The Quraysh had also several idols in and around the Ka'bah. The greatest of these was Hubal[58]. It was, as I was told, of red agate, in the form of a man with the right hand broken off. It came into the possession of the Quraysh in this condition, and they, therefore, made for it a hand of gold. The first to set it up [for worship] was Khuzaymah ibn-Mudrikah ibn-al-Ya's'[59] ibn-Mudar[60]. Consequently it used to be called Khuzaymah's Hubal.

It stood inside the Ka'bah. In front of it were seven divination arrows (sing. qidh, pl. qidah or aqduh). On one of these arrows was written "pure" (sarih), and on another "consociated alien" (mulsag). Whenever the lineage of a new-born was doubted, they would offer a sacrifice to it [Hubal] and then shuffle the arrows and throw them. If the arrows showed the word "pure," the child would be declared legitimate and the tribe would accept him. If, however, the arrows showed the words "consociated alien," the child would be declared illegitimate and the tribe would reject him. The third arrow was for divination concerning the dead, while the fourth was for divination concerning marriage. The purpose of the three remaining arrows has not been explained. Whenever they disagreed concerning something, or purposed to embark upon a journey, or undertake some project, they would proceed to it [Hubal] and shuffle the divination arrows before it. Whatever result they obtained they would follow and do accordingly.

It was before [Hubal] that 'Abd-al-Muttalib[61] shuffled the divination arrows [in order to find out which of his ten children he should sacrifice in fulfilment of a vow he had sworn], and the arrows pointed to his son 'Abdullah, the father of the Prophet[62]. Hubal was also the same idol which abu-Sufyan ibn-Harb[63] addressed when he emerged victorious after the battle of Uhud[64], saying:

"Hubal, be thou exalted" (i.e. may thy religion triumph); To which the Prophet replied:

"Allah is more exalted and more majestic[65]."

Among their idols, the Quraysh also had Isif and Na'ilah[66]. On being transformed into petrified form, they were placed by the Ka'bah in order that people might see them and be warned. Finally, as their origin became remote and, therefore, forgotten, and idol worship came into vogue, they were worshipped with the other idols. One of them stood close to the Ka'bah while the other was placed by Zamzam[67]. Later, the Quraysh moved the one which stood close to the Ka'bah to the side of the other by Zamzam where they sacrificed to both. Of them abu-Talib[68] said, swearing by them when the Quraysh united against the banu-Hishim[69] in connection with the rise of the Prophet:

"Unto the house [of God) I brought my men and my kin, And held fast to the veils of its curtains; Yea, where the banu-al-Ash'ar halt I brought them all, Where the valleys meet and Isaf and Na'ilah stand[70]."