Black Sabbath are certainly a metal band but "Never Say Die!" has very little metal on it. It's more of a hard rock record for mine. And no... those Van Halen & Budgie albums weren't metal. I'm interested to know what you consider to be a hard rock release rob. Do you not acknowledge that particular subgenre? I can't fathom someone saying that Van Halen are not a hard rock band.

Black Sabbath are certainly a metal band but "Never Say Die!" has very little metal on it. It's more of a hard rock record for mine. And no... those Van Halen & Budgie albums weren't metal. I'm interested to know what you consider to be a hard rock release rob. Do you not acknowledge that particular subgenre? I can't fathom someone saying that Van Halen are not a hard rock band.

But hard rock isn't a genre - it's just of a description of a certain sound. Some Metallica songs might sound like 'hard rock', but they're definitely a metal band. Just as bands like VH, Sabbath, Budgie, etc. were too. It's just a fact that what those bands played was called heavy metal. It's why when heavy metal bands was starting up again in the late 70's, it was called the NEW wave of British heavy metal - new as opposed to the old wave - Sabbath, Purple, Budgie, etc. Surely you know all this already?

Of the well-known 70's artists I really only consider Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead & early Iron Maiden to be genuine metal bands at that time. In fact I don't even consider the debut albums from Judas Priest & Motorhead to fit the bill. Of the lesser known bands I would say Legend (US) & Heavy Load played legitimate metal & I could also accept Quartz & Accept who were kinda 50/50. I don't buy into statements about Rainbow, Budgie, Scorpions, Sir Lord Baltimore, Riot, Bang, Saxon, Sorcery, Samson, etc being genuine heavy metal bands in the 70's. Call them proto-metal if it makes you feel better but I see no reason to attach wishy-washy labels like that when there's already a descriptor that fits very comfortably in "hard rock".

Black Sabbath are certainly a metal band but "Never Say Die!" has very little metal on it. It's more of a hard rock record for mine. And no... those Van Halen & Budgie albums weren't metal. I'm interested to know what you consider to be a hard rock release rob. Do you not acknowledge that particular subgenre? I can't fathom someone saying that Van Halen are not a hard rock band.

But hard rock isn't a genre - it's just of a description of a certain sound. Some Metallica songs might sound like 'hard rock', but they're definitely a metal band. Just as bands like VH, Sabbath, Budgie, etc. were too. It's just a fact that what those bands played was called heavy metal. It's why when heavy metal bands was starting up again in the late 70's, it was called the NEW wave of British heavy metal - new as opposed to the old wave - Sabbath, Purple, Budgie, etc. Surely you know all this already?

Silly boy. Your own logic works against you - just as a heavy metal band like Black Sabbath could curl out a hard rock turd like It's Alright, so a rock band like, say Deep Purple could spit out Fireball. Judas Priest (I'm told they've been metal band on occasion) shat out Turbo, Deaf Leopard had On Through The Night, Thin Lizzy had Shades Of A Blue Orphanage and Jailbreak, and so on and so forth...

You are literally denying facts to stick to a personal belief, just like your much hated Creationist Christians. The flat earth society is taking members, Sol.

Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:49 am

robitusson

Darth Fucking Vader

Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:38 amPosts: 27810Location: Cunnamulla

Re: Best metal album each year since 1970

opaline wrote:

Of the well-known 70's artists I really only consider Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead & early Iron Maiden to be genuine metal bands at that time. In fact I don't even consider the debut albums from Judas Priest & Motorhead to fit the bill. Of the lesser known bands I would say Legend (US) & Heavy Load played legitimate metal & I could also accept Quartz & Accept who were kinda 50/50. I don't buy into statements about Rainbow, Budgie, Scorpions, Sir Lord Baltimore, Riot, Bang, Saxon, Sorcery, Samson, etc being genuine heavy metal bands in the 70's. Call them proto-metal if it makes you feel better but I see no reason to attach wishy-washy labels like that when there's already a descriptor that fits very comfortably in "hard rock".

If you personally don't think Saxon or Rainbow are heavy metal, that's fine. Have a personal distinction all you like.

I'm talking about what was actually called heavy metal in the 70s by the press, by fans and by bands themselves (however dismissively). I'm not talking about a retrospective, personal distinction from today's point of view based on what the music might sound like to us now.

I have my own opinions of course, but the reality is in the 1970s something like In Rock or Rainbow or Budgie was what heavy metal was. Sol is confused about it, because those bands played a variety of styles. "Beth" by KISS for example is not a 'heavy metal' song by any means, but neither is it a 'hard rock' song. Nonetheless KISS were considered to be what heavy metal was. Genres just weren't as packaged then. Metal as a genre might be Dragonforce or Arch Enemy or some such streamlined and neatly defined style now, but that doesn't magically change the past to suit what we might think now.

Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:59 am

Paris Chrome

Space Ranger

Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:54 amPosts: 1019Location: Melbourne

Re: Best metal album each year since 1970

Does Led Zeppelin count as "metal" ???

_________________Tool are lying about their new album. There IS no new album.

Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:26 am

Paris Chrome

Space Ranger

Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:54 amPosts: 1019Location: Melbourne

Re: Best metal album each year since 1970

opaline wrote:

You gonna include Cream, Blue Cheer & Hendrix as metal too rob? How about the Beatles?

Aha!! I see...somebody's already picked up on this.

_________________Tool are lying about their new album. There IS no new album.

I'm old enough to remember the 70's and metal was (at the time) a very broad church.

The first issue of Kerrang (from June 81) was a "Sounds Heavy Metal Special" and featured bands as diverse as Venom, Motorhead, Girlschool, Styx, Pat Benatar, Graham Bonnet, ZZ Top and UFO (among others). The genrification only really started in the mid 80's to differentiate between "true metal" such as thrash,death metal, black metal and "false metal" like glam, AOR etc. It became an easy marketing tool.

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