I like this idea Cardinal. Do you think this is possibly why Jesus said "Do you not know that you are gods" and what is spoken of as the "restitution of all things" (that is, the bringing back to a former state; and more specifically, bringing all back to their former state IN God)?

Absolutely, that's what I think He meant. We were one with Him from the foundation of the world. One with Christ, but not as the "New Age" movement has corrupted that to mean, as in "we are Christ", but one with Him as a wife/body is one with her husband/head.

This is a, "1+1=1 that were joined from 2" pattern, whereas their (New Age) view of it is a, "1=1" pattern, usurping the Head and taking His glory.

In the one scripture where He said have I not said ye are gods, and ye die like men, the emphasis has always been put on being "gods", and He revealed to me that the emphasis was wrong.

What He was taking offense to, was the MANNER OF DYING, ie. like men, instead of like God, or "a god". How does God or "a god" die? No greater love has any many than this, than he lay down his life for his friends. Blessings...

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Amen........and they didn't realize that to see this meant that it was PAST the feast of Tabernacles; they only knew that Elijah was supposed to come when the Messiah and His Kingdom had come, thus they wanted to build three booths, not realizing the "branches" were standing in front of them. Blessings....

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

NO one before Jesus!They all died.He laid down and took up His own Life.

and what of Enoch and Elijah?

Hbr 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Hbr 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

bottom line would be even if they went to heaven, they did NOT gain a glorified body. they were NOT resurrected, only ""raised""

Hbr 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect

there is a writting on the difference between vivified, rasied, and resurrection,(( will try and find it ))) Christ Jesus is the FIRST to be resurrected.

WOW Sheila.........it was all good but that last paragraph just danced in my heart for joy! Thank you for posting that. We serve an awesome God. Thank You Father, I give You praise.

That last part; I want to share some revelation He gave me on that. The Word that was made flesh, lies in repose IN US/the grave, cannot return (be raised and glorified) to the Father, without/devoid of, the Spirit.

The GREAT NEWS is; He raises us up WITH HIM, ie. when He arose many arose with Him. Blessings....

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

AMEN........the Lord showed me that the Alpha (Christ from before the foundation) and the Omega that COMES IN US as fulfilled sons of God, is the SAME. No longer "in part", but to be filled with the fullness that He is. Blessings.....

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

Yes, I have that whole set, but it did nothing to answer if any person was raised to any kind of life before Jesus.

Did he make it possible for all to rise or not...

Lee, there were quite a few raised from the dead before Jesus was. There were the ones Jesus raised from the dead and Elisha raised or was it Elijah? Anyway, the real question is: Who was the first one to be vivified, to receive life immortal? The answer to that question is Jesus. He only has been vivified and in fact is the firstruit of vivification:

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 CLV (22) For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified." (23) Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;" (24) thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power."

Everyone else died who was brought back to life.

The two seen with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? It was just a vision. If Moses and Elijah truly were alive at that point in time then they would have beaten Jesus to being the first fruit of vivificaiton.

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Just because God says He will save all mankinddoes not necessarily mean He won't.

WOW Sheila.........it was all good but that last paragraph just danced in my heart for joy! Thank you for posting that. We serve an awesome God. Thank You Father, I give You praise.

That last part; I want to share some revelation He gave me on that. The Word that was made flesh, lies in repose IN US/the grave, cannot return (be raised and glorified) to the Father, without/devoid of, the Spirit.

The GREAT NEWS is; He raises us up WITH HIM, ie. when He arose many arose with Him. Blessings....

Amen, Cardinal.

So, could it be said that the bodies of the saints that were raised after the veil was torn, were raised because of the word within them. Once Jesus yielded his spirit to the Father, it says the graves opened, and they went into the holy city and were seen by many. It was the word that raised them and led them into the holy city, for the word was now being fulfilled. But, it still says they "appeared"; and not to all, but many. It makes me believe these "many" were chosen to see, so that they would understand later.