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Second, yes, that is the market. Victorino and Pagan both got deals they didn't deserve, everyone is. What I'm saying is that the Mets need to improve their offense 5X as much as Pagan alone would do. The team has almost no speed, almost no power, 0/3 outfield spots are filled and there's no catcher.

Second, yes, that is the market. Victorino and Pagan both got deals they didn't deserve, everyone is. What I'm saying is that the Mets need to improve their offense 5X as much as Pagan alone would do. The team has almost no speed, almost no power, 0/3 outfield spots are filled and there's no catcher.

Do you disagree?

Only Victorino got what he didn't deserve. Angel's deal was very fair. You could argue about giving him the 4th year, but that's it really. He was definitely worth $10M+ per on the open market.

Shea smelled like puke to me. When I was 7 or 8, a guy sitting a few seats over puked and passed out. They carried him out unconscious. I think there was some blood in the vomit too. They never could wash the stench out of the cement. I smelled the vomit every time I went back. There were some dudes smoking pot as well. Pot-n-puke. The experience was nauseating.

Signed,
Not a fan of Shea.

Sorry. I was really tired that day and probably should not have had the eighth beer.

I have a feeling RA isn't going anywhere. And I think he is going to maintain a high level of production for awhile. Not that he'll win the Cy Young every year, but he'll be a very good starter for the foreseeable future.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone seems to have bought into the concept that keeping Dickey will prohibit them from getting other players.

It shouldn't.

If they can get an everyday impact player or two in exchange for Dickey I'm all for it. I just see them getting a handful of mediocres who will serve no purpose other than to keep us from paying a high salaried player, e.g. RA Dickey.

Interesting, I heard Sandy on the phone today talking about how 2 of the players they were considering when they signed Hairston a year ago are still on the market.

But Hairston himself is no longer being considered because he has played himself into a higher market.

What Sandy is saying is that they are no longer interested in signing players who can help win baseball games. Just players who are affordable.

See, Hairston is still a 4th outfielder. The problem is that he's now a GOOD 43th outfielder and if he's good, well, we don't have room for him on our team.

Should be a fun season at the Five and Dime otherwise known as Cit Field.

Well said. This is why I didn't even care when they re-signed David Wright because I knew they weren't going to be getting any other relevant players. It's just going to be the same mediocre 4th place Mets featuring David Wright.....

I wanted to trade Dickey and Wright to get back legit pieces we could have used for the future to go along with our pitchers about to come up, but the Mets decided not to go that route. They instead decided to stay in 4th place.

Well said. This is why I didn't even care when they re-signed David Wright because I knew they weren't going to be getting any other relevant players. It's just going to be the same mediocre 4th place Mets featuring David Wright.....

I wanted to trade Dickey and Wright to get back legit pieces we could have used for the future to go along with our pitchers about to come up, but the Mets decided not to go that route. They instead decided to stay in 4th place.

Well, yes. In 2013 that seems true, though I think .500 is within the realm of possibility. Not likely, but possible. Sometimes patience is the right course of action.

“The Wilpons and Mr. Saul Katz — the people who say they don’t care about the team are sorely misguided,” Ojeda told the newspaper. “These are the biggest Mets fans you will meet."

That is way too much of a commitment for Alderson to have said directly. I'm hard-pressed to think of a time when SA defined a specific timetable. Dealing Dickey is largely dependent on the market for starting pitching opening up on the trade front, and at least one team needs to abandon its pursuit of Greinke. Who knows when that will happen?

Well like I said, I refuse to listen to Fatseca, and I am not falling off the wagon now. So this info comes from the 20/02 and SA's own voice during it. Supposedly that is what he said out of his own mouth. The next 10 days, well...nine now.

I personally don't care, and I am assuming Dickey gets dealt or signed when guys like Grienke are off the board.

Fatcessa has his own **** to deal with, the Yankees are having a bad offseason (and getting older by the second) and he will look to pin crap on the Mets as much as possible to deflect the attention from his Yankees.

They still have time to make a decision on Dickey and that doesn't mean they have to re-sign him either. If they can't get something hashed out this offseason they will figure what to do with him during the course of next season. They could look to deal him at the deadline or if he has a season where he regresses to some extent, they can use that as leverage to re-sign him in FA.

There is no deadline on them to re-sign him or for that matter deal him.

Well like I said, I refuse to listen to Fatseca, and I am not falling off the wagon now. So this info comes from the 20/02 and SA's own voice during it. Supposedly that is what he said out of his own mouth. The next 10 days, well...nine now.

I personally don't care, and I am assuming Dickey gets dealt or signed when guys like Grienke are off the board.

I listened to the entire archived interview between SA and Francesa twice, I couldn't find a reference to "ten days". SA guards his words carefully. He doesn't give a lot of solid information to hang your hat on or to hang him from.

“The Wilpons and Mr. Saul Katz — the people who say they don’t care about the team are sorely misguided,” Ojeda told the newspaper. “These are the biggest Mets fans you will meet."

Shea smelled like puke to me. When I was 7 or 8, a guy sitting a few seats over puked and passed out. They carried him out unconscious. I think there was some blood in the vomit too. They never could wash the stench out of the cement. I smelled the vomit every time I went back. There were some dudes smoking pot as well. Pot-n-puke. The experience was nauseating.

Signed,
Not a fan of Shea.

Originally Posted by jomota48

Sorry. I was really tired that day and probably should not have had the eighth beer.